Russia Dismisses Obama Admin ‘Haggling’ Over Missile Defense

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World • Tue Mar 3, 2009 at 9:09 am PST • Views: 277

Another slap in the face for Obama from Russia, without much love: Russia rejects link between missile defence and Iran.

Madrid/Washington - Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on Tuesday showed willingness to discuss the US-planned missile defence system opposed by Moscow, but without “haggling” linking it to Iran. Medvedev was commenting during a visit to Spain on an alleged offer by US President Barack Obama to halt the defence system if Iran could be convinced to give up nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

The New York Times earlier reported that Obama had sent a secret letter to Medvedev.

Speaking at a joint press conference with Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero in Madrid, Medvedev welcomed the “positive signals” coming from the Obama administration with which he hoped to reach “agreements.”

“Haggling,” however, was not “productive,” Medvedev said.

If the Obama administration showed “common sense” in proposing a “common shield against all types of threats” and reconsidered its plans of a missile defence system which could target Russia, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate, Medvedev said.

(Hat tip: JammieWearingFool.)

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1 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:48am

Testing the limits

2 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:11:10am

And, so far, not finding any

3 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:11:41am

Slap me twice, shame on me.

4 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:11:54am

Hilarious if it weren't so scary.

5 alkizz  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:11:59am

The O is so out of his league

6 freedombilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:16am

But Obama's big plan was to talk to everyone. Will he ever admit that you can't talk and reason with lunatics?

Don't answer that. I know the answer.

7 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:18am

Fuck 'em... errr... UNCLINCH! UNCLINCH NOW!

8 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:28am

[re-posting]

Gosh, so instantly showing your cards to the other guy at the table ISN'T a good strategy in poker? Man, the things we're learning!

-Team Obama

9 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:34am

In political circles, wouldn't this be considered a smack-down of epic proportions? Seems like it to me.

10 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:48am

Welcome to the real world, Barack.

11 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:28am

What a rank amateur. Obama is going to be played like a fiddle by his new friends. He'll be the guy that gets hazed before being accepted into the clique, only to find out in the end he won't be accepted anyway.

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:29am

How our enemies must be laughing that we elected this cub when we needed a Lion.

13 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:47am

Obama will know how to deal with this decisively; he'll immediately embark on one of his patented post-election campaign tours, but this time, in Russia.

14 opnion  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:02am

Barry is now experiencing real world. This is not like sipping wine with other snotty, Hyde Park leftists. In that world their hubris makes everything look so easy , if they can just dispose of Conservative Knuckle , all will be well.

15 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:15am

But, but , but ... Obama looks so much better than Putin with his shirt off ...

/f*ck the media and any person who voted for Obama ...

16 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:29am

Barry, you're a bitch, and the world is going to treat you like one

17 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:31am

The Soviets tested JFK, but he did come through.
I doubt 0bama will be as tough.

The MFMFM got this guy elected. The 5th estate is the 4th column. Free speech or treason?

18 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:58am

[reposting from last thread with only minor modifications since the facts and logic fits]

This should surprise absolutely no one. Obama's been talking out of both sides of his mouth on pretty much every subject. He would say one thing to one audience, and quite a different thing to a different audience.

Remember the mess he made of talking about eliminating unproven missile defense systems, and later had to clarify himself by talking himself into a pretzel because they're no longer unproven, but functional and operational.

Of course, that's fitting since he continually engages in pretzel logic all over the place - whether it's the economy or foreign policy.

It's funny that the left would deride Bush because he almost choked on a pretzel. We're now seeing the world choke on Obama pretzel logic.

19 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:01am

No, they do not like you. Yes, there are people on the planet who are immune to your charms. BTW, Vladimir Putin is NOT Nikita Kruschev and you are not JFK.

Word to the wise, Mr. President, do not start believing your own press.

20 opnion  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #14 opnion

Barry is now experiencing real world. This is not like sipping wine with other snotty, Hyde Park leftists. In that world their hubris makes everything look so easy , if they can just dispose of Conservative Knuckle draggers , all will be well.

21 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:13am

No haggling? That means that the Russians think they can just run over Obama adn all will be fine. Unfortunately for us, Obama will let himself be run over and believe all will be fine.

Definately Il Douche.

22 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:14am

Another success in Obama's Clinched Fist Stimulus Program. Keep it up Barry. Woo-hoo!

23 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:15am

re: #5 alkizz

The O is so out of his league

/ the duck at the cock-fight?

24 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:19am

O is making big mistake messing up with Putin, he has no sense of humor

25 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:20am
26 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:38am

re: #11 Leonidas Hoplite

What a rank amateur. Obama is going to be played like a fiddle by his new friends. He'll be the guy that gets hazed before being accepted into the clique, only to find out in the end he won't be accepted anyway.

Couldn't have stated it better. And what's more is the damage this will cause with real allies we're now working to toss under the bus. Those will be difficult bridges to repair later. Why would thy trust us later if they can't trust us now?

27 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:59am

Obama will respond by quick capitulation. Yeah that always works.

28 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:36am

re: #8 Occasional Reader

[re-posting]

Gosh, so instantly showing your cards to the other guy at the table ISN'T a good strategy in poker? Man, the things we're learning!

-Team Obama

I wonder how the folks who voted for him will be feeling in a very short time to learn that maybe the position of President is NOT something a neophite can learn on the job.

29 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:38am

"Please comrade, unclench that fist."

"Nyet."

30 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:46am

re: #27 pat

Obama will respond by quick capitulation. Yeah that always works.

Obama's more French than the French.

31 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:49am

re: #27 pat

Obama will respond by quick capitulation. Yeah that always works.


Vini, Vidi, Vichy

/I came, I saw, I capitulated

32 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:53am

Barry would respond, but he is busy in a conga line entertaining his buddies

33 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #18 lawhawk

As long as Chris Matthews keeps getting a tingle down his leg, no one is going to call BHO on things like this.

34 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:04am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

Fourth Estate/Fifth column.

Thanks for the correction.

35 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #24 Gella

O is making big mistake messing up with Putin, he has no sense of humor

But I bet he is laughing now...

36 So?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:21am

Damn, I never get a hat tip, even though I wrote about this story in the last thread.

37 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:36am

I have a dream!

Obama goes on television after all this and announces:

"My fellow Americans. I now realized I've been shafted. Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I'm here to announce that I've decided to send John Bolton back to the U.N. under the guidance of my new Secretary of State, George W. Bush."

..."Oh and yeah, I'd like you to meet my new Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney."

..."Hey Vladimir! Have a nice day, you dick."

38 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:36am

re: #27 pat

Obama will respond by quick capitulation. Yeah that always works.

Our new battle cry: "Not in the Face!"

39 obscured by clouds  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:37am

Barack Obama (aka "useful idiot").

40 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:55am

What PB0 and his merrie men and women also don't seem to realise is that such a speech from the Russian President will be very carefully studied by all the USA partners in NATO.
Never mind Europe - its NATO which is important in this case.
Poland is a member of NATO ...

41 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #35 brookly red

But I bet he is laughing now...

all that left for O is to surrender to Putin and become his boy

42 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:25am

re: #37 subsailor68

I have a dream!

Obama goes on television after all this and announces:

"My fellow Americans. I now realized I've been shafted. Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I'm here to announce that I've decided to send John Bolton back to the U.N. under the guidance of my new Secretary of State, George W. Bush."

..."Oh and yeah, I'd like you to meet my new Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney."

..."Hey Vladimir! Have a nice day, you dick."

I want what you're smoking.

43 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:41am

re: #36 So?

Damn, I never get a hat tip, even though I wrote about this story in the last thread.

Were you the only one to write about it? Others did to...

44 fish  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:44am

re: #19 calcajun

No, they do not like you. Yes, there are people on the planet who are immune to your charms. BTW, Vladimir Putin is NOT Nikita Kruschev and you are not JFK.

Word to the wise, Mr. President, do not start believing your own press.

I think that advice is a bit too late...

45 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:13am

The rest of europe should be HIGHLY concerned. They're about to be left wide open to the whims of the Bear.

46 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #19 calcajun

No, they do not like you. Yes, there are people on the planet who are immune to your charms. BTW, Vladimir Putin is NOT Nikita Kruschev and you are not JFK.

Word to the wise, Mr. President, do not start believing your own press.

Heh - whaddaya mean, 'start believing' - he's always believed his own press, and won't stop now.

47 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:20am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

I want what you're smoking.

Hi Walter! I'll share, but only if ya promise not to bogart it.

;-)

48 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:29am

"Hey, could somebody please get me out of this locker?"

- obama

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:32am

I am banging my shoe on my desk. Seems the right thing to do.

50 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:14am

re: #37 subsailor68

I have a dream!

Obama goes on television after all this and announces:

"My fellow Americans. I now realized I've been shafted. Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I'm here to announce that I've decided to send John Bolton back to the U.N. under the guidance of my new Secretary of State, George W. Bush."

..."Oh and yeah, I'd like you to meet my new Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney."

..."Hey Vladimir! Have a nice day, you dick."

And then you wake up in the hard cot in the re-education camp in the Gulag, which 0bama outsourced to the Russians.

51 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:19am

The Kennedy-Khrushchev Conference for Dummies

In Portland on May 18, Obama cited John F. Kennedy's 1961 summit with Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev in Vienna among the series of negotiations that led to America's triumph over the Soviet Union in the Cold War. The Vienna summit, however, disproves Obama's assertion...

"I never met a man like this," Kennedy subsequently commented to Time's Hugh Sidey. "[I] talked about how a nuclear exchange would kill 70 million people in ten minutes, and he just looked at me as if to say 'So what?'" In The Fifty-Year Wound, Cold War historian Derek Leebaert drily observes of Khrushchev in Vienna, "Having worked for Stalin had its uses."


Khrushchev berated, belittled, and bullied Kennedy on subjects ranging from Communist ideology to the balance of power between the Soviet and Western blocs, to Laos, to "wars of national liberation," to nuclear testing. He threw down the gauntlet on Berlin in particular, all but threatening war.


Kennedy said to Reston that Khrushchev had "just beat [the] hell out of me" and that he had presented Kennedy with a terrible problem: "If he thinks I'm inexperienced and have no
guts, until we remove those ideas we won't get anywhere with him. So we have to act."


Seeking the advice of former Secretary of State Dean Acheson and others, Kennedy pondered his options...he was seeking congressional approval for an additional $3.25 billion in defense spending, the doubling and tripling of draft calls, calling up reserves, raising the Army's total authorized strength, increasing active duty numbers in the Navy and Air Force, reconditioning planes and ships in mothballs...


In August, Khrushchev responded in his own fashion, erecting the Berlin wall and resuming above ground nuclear testing.

The following year brought the Cuban missile crisis, another sequel to Khrushchev's reading of Kennedy's weakness. Close as the Cuban missile crisis brought the two sides to war, however, it was perhaps not the most consequential effect of Khrushchev's reading of Kennedy's weakness. Persuaded that he needed further to demonstrate "fearlessness and backbone," in the words of William Manchester, Kennedy observed to Reston that the only place where the Communists were challenging the West in a shooting war was in Southeast Asia. Summarizing Kennedy's own evaluation of the aftermath of the Vienna conference in his 2003 biography of Kennedy, Robert Dallek writes that Kennedy "now needed to convince Khrushchev that he could not be pushed around, and the best place currently to make U.S. power credible seemed to be in Vietnam."

52 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:29am

re: #46 yma o hyd

Heh - whaddaya mean, 'start believing' - he's always believed his own press, and won't stop now.

heh. "Don't Stop Believing" --the song Tony Soprano was listening to before he got whacked. (Yes--he died)

53 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:11am

re: #37 subsailor68

I have a dream!

Obama goes on television after all this and announces:

"My fellow Americans. I now realized I've been shafted. Okay, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I'm here to announce that I've decided to send John Bolton back to the U.N. under the guidance of my new Secretary of State, George W. Bush."

..."Oh and yeah, I'd like you to meet my new Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney."

..."Hey Vladimir! Have a nice day, you dick."

Wonderful dream, just wonderful!

Pity one's gotta wake up ...

54 jemima  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:12am

It's all good. Whatever bad happens to America, Rahm Emanuel will consider it a crisis that consolidates their power further. All these foreign affair "faux pas" are intentional. These are part of the plan. It doesn't matter how many of us lose our savings or our jobs or our lives. The point is to get America from capitalism to socialism as fast as possible. And he's doing it. So he's a success so far.

55 So?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:34am

re: #43 Leonidas Hoplite

Were you the only one to write about it? Others did to...

I didn't see anything. Everyone started discussing after I posted the story. No big deal. REALLY.

56 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:41am

Semi-Repost from the DT today:

I swear Obama IS STUPID. He may be well educated (or at least he attended fine institutions of higher learning) but this ain't Chicago kid, you can't use cunning or street smarts with world leaders; y'all are gonna have to elevate your game considerably before you can play with the Big Boys in the World. They don't VOTE here, they don't give a shit if you give good speech and they don't particularly LIKE YOU.
MAN up you idiot before you get us all killed. Think of the children who'll die if you don't up your game or gracefully step down - hell even Biden looks good compared to you in foreign affairs.

57 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:44am

re: #38 calcajun

Our new battle cry: "Not in the Face!"

58 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:20am

re: #51 HelloDare

Great post.

59 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:34am

Looks like the world is figuring out our president wears big boy pants. I want Bush back.

60 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:41am

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

And then you wake up in the hard cot in the re-education camp in the Gulag, which 0bama outsourced to the Russians.

Ouch! What's for breakfast comrade? Gruel? That's gruel and unusual punishment.

61 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #38 calcajun

Our new battle cry: "Not in the Face!"

LOL! No, wait...very, very sad.

62 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #33 calcajun

Jack Cafferty has a crush on Michelle Obama. So yes, you're right that the media will continue giving him a pass... to a point though. As the media stocks head into the tank, they might start asking more questions of Obama's economic prowess and start demanding accountability because it will be their own jobs on the line.

63 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:57am

Interesting. Having set the wrecking ball to our economy, BHO hamhandedly tried to reach a secret deal with the Russians to scrap our missile defense system for the former Iron Curtain countries. Unlike BHO the Russians are savvy enough to know that their client, Iran, would never give up their thermonuclear device, and have publically told BHO to take a hike. At least somebody (Russian &/or Iran) has BHO's number. Is this a fair summary?

64 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:04am

Obama, as predicted is getting schooled by Putin.

The strong smart President would announce the US is permanently posting AEGIS anti missile armed cruisers and destroyers in the Eastern Med to protect Europe right NOW and any attempt, by any naval force from any country to interfere with this positioning will be wiped from water in five minutes.

This is how to speak Russian, I don't think Obama knows how.

Putin needs to be taken down a peg, announcing no additional aid or funding for European banks and freezing oligarchs accounts in Europe would send a stronger message.

65 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:16am

I think my computer is broken... the DOW is green, wtf?

66 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:25am

Question for Mr. Biden...

Which test was this, #3?...#4? And when is the final exam?

67 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:47am

I'm surprised that Medvedev could speak without breaking into giggles.

They must think Obama's a blithering idiot.

68 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:09am

re: #45 Sharmuta

The rest of europe should be HIGHLY concerned. They're about to be left wide open to the whims of the Bear.

Europe has perhaps a tiny bit more experience in dealing with Russia than PB0, I'd say.

What is of far greater concern is how this is going to play with the members of NATO.
Will they now have to assume that the USA under PB0 is going to leave them exposed?

69 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:41am

Pravda really "loves" O
[Link: english.pravda.ru...]

70 iceman1960  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:06am

OT
Market was up today.
Obama sends Bernanke out to speak and the DOW and my 401K drops.
F*CK OBAMA.
Sorry had to say that - now I feel a little better.
I may find myself saying that at least once a day.

71 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:22am

re: #45 Sharmuta

The rest of europe should be HIGHLY concerned. They're about to be left wide open to the whims of the Bear.

An acquaintance of mine who works in the defense industry told me last night that the entire mediterranean region is very nervous about what Obama might do. They're ramping up military spending now as a result.

72 Ziggy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:24am

Now that we have President Obama, the rest of the world is loving us to death. The Prez is so out of his league. I wish we could have seen this coming...oh yeh, we did.

73 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:38am

re: #63 FloridaAnole

Interesting. Having set the wrecking ball to our economy, BHO hamhandedly tried to reach a secret deal with the Russians to scrap our missile defense system for the former Iron Curtain countries. Unlike BHO the Russians are savvy enough to know that their client, Iran, would never give up their thermonuclear device, and have publically told BHO to take a hike. At least somebody (Russian &/or Iran) has BHO's number. Is this a fair summary?

Yes.

The Russians know perfectly well that BHO's lost and in over his head.

Bush's remark about "seeing Putin's soul" is going to look positively...hard-headed.

74 looking closely  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #64 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If were a European leader, I'd be pretty damn afraid of Obama's imactivity here.

Where are they going to be without the force of America's arms?

75 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:52am

re: #19 calcajun

No, they do not like you. Yes, there are people on the planet who are immune to your charms. BTW, Vladimir Putin is NOT Nikita Kruschev and you are not JFK.

Word to the wise, Mr. President, do not start believing your own press.

Khrushchev ate JFK's lunch at the Moscow Conference. According to New Frontiersmen who were present at the meeting, JFK emerged from the encounter white and shaking. Putin and his front man will eat BHO's lunch, dinner and breakfast waffles.

76 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #68 yma o hyd

What is of far greater concern is how this is going to play with the members of NATO.
Will they now have to assume that the USA under PB0 is going to leave them exposed?

That's what I'm talking about. And if I was a European, I would assume the answer is "yes".

77 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:19am

re: #65 brookly red

I think my computer is broken... the DOW is green, wtf?

Pretty sad when you feel relieved the market is up like 11 points. Sheesh.

78 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:20am

Rebuilding our image in the world!

/*retch*

79 NelsFree  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:26am

Note to the Russians:
Defensive missles (ABMS) do not "Target" a country. ABMs target attacking missles launched by a country.

80 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:47am

re: #64 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Obama, as predicted is getting schooled by Putin.

The strong smart President would announce the US is permanently posting AEGIS anti missile armed cruisers and destroyers in the Eastern Med to protect Europe right NOW and any attempt, by any naval force from any country to interfere with this positioning will be wiped from water in five minutes.

This is how to speak Russian, I don't think Obama knows how.

Putin needs to be taken down a peg, announcing no additional aid or funding for European banks and freezing oligarchs accounts in Europe would send a stronger message.

Obama is showing himself to be completely overwhelmed by events. He's taking to the airwaves and hoping that repeated visits to Capitol Hill will instill confidence. They're having the opposite effect - showing that he's scared and being outpaced by events.

OODA loop and all that - and he's getting hammered daily, even though the media might be giving him a pass, the markets aren't.

Russia knows that they've got a complete neophyte on their hands and Putin's dreams of restoring Russian grandeur hangs in the balance and taking advantage of the situation is all too evident. Putin schooled Bush, but Bush knew how to push back. So far, Obama's being schooled and showing no signs of learning.

81 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:51am

re: #68 yma o hyd

Europe has perhaps a tiny bit more experience in dealing with Russia than PB0, I'd say.

What is of far greater concern is how this is going to play with the members of NATO.
Will they now have to assume that the USA under PB0 is going to leave them exposed?

Well yes, but the up side is they might start paying for there own defense.

82 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:51am

re: #65 brookly red

I think my computer is broken... the DOW is green, wtf?

It's going negative, as I type.

Bernanke came out and called for higher taxes and more...

83 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:52am

re: #78 Fat Jolly Penguin

Rebuilding our image in the world!

/*retch*

To where it was when Jimmuh was president.

84 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:53am

Oh swell, the market's up a whole 12 points right now.

Wait for it. An announcement by Obama that his economic policies have begun to turn the economy around.

And there go my 12 points.

85 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:56am

His community organizer skills are really coming in handy.

86 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:12am

re: #71 eschew_obfuscation

An acquaintance of mine who works in the defense industry told me last night that the entire mediterranean region is very nervous about what Obama might do. They're ramping up military spending now as a result.

And they should! America's being led by a man-child.

87 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:15am

re: #63 FloridaAnole

Interesting. Having set the wrecking ball to our economy, BHO hamhandedly tried to reach a secret deal with the Russians to scrap our missile defense system for the former Iron Curtain countries. Unlike BHO the Russians are savvy enough to know that their client, Iran, would never give up their thermonuclear device, and have publically told BHO to take a hike. At least somebody (Russian &/or Iran) has BHO's number. Is this a fair summary?

Yes.
Unfortunately.

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:16am

re: #71 eschew_obfuscation

An acquaintance of mine who works in the defense industry told me last night that the entire mediterranean region is very nervous about what Obama might do. They're ramping up military spending now as a result.

That's Verrry Interesting.
Thanks.

89 saberry0530  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:21am

re: #41 Gella

all that left for O is to surrender to Putin and become his boyBITCH

better

90 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

To where it was when Jimmuh was president.

Ding.

91 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:34am

re: #54 jemima

It's all good. Whatever bad happens to America, Rahm Emanuel will consider it a crisis that consolidates their power further. All these foreign affair "faux pas" are intentional. These are part of the plan. It doesn't matter how many of us lose our savings or our jobs or our lives. The point is to get America from capitalism to socialism as fast as possible. And he's doing it. So he's a success so far.

You have hit the nail on the head. Any worldwide event that seems to make America weaker, it just another piece of the puzzle what Obama needs to divide and conquer the capitalist system.

Study all the great dictators. They all use similar tactics to build their foundations.

People react best to change when they are poor. when you take away all the comfort, support, toys, fun, when daily tasks remind you of how bad off you are.

That's when a government can make changes that they would normally never try, never get away with, never even consider.

And we can't stop it. Why? Because, like any situation like this, a handful of citizens that see through it all is not a large enough group to overcome the people who just want change, want it fixed now and have no concern how it gets fixed.

This has been a very careful revolution, and most of us missed it.

92 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:39am

re: #77 turn

Pretty sad when you feel relieved the market is up like 11 points. Sheesh.

my computers not broken?

93 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:48am

re: #66 Kenneth

Question for Mr. Biden...

Which test was this, #3?...#4? And when is the final exam?

I think he underestimated that 30% chance of failure thing too.

94 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:28:16am

Just proves that it doesn't matter how smart you supposedly are if you are deluded and led by your ideology.

95 kafir lover  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #56 realwest

He's not stupid. He's naive and arrogant - an educated fool.

96 MarkX  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:03am

re: #12 Sharmuta

How our enemies must be laughing that we elected this cub when we needed a Lion.

Actually, not laughing, just smiling...

2 words come to mind:

Manchurian candiate.

97 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:04am

re: #62 lawhawk

I disagree. I think the media are a bunch of frogs in a pot of water on low simmer. They won't know what's going on until it's too late.

98 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:09am

re: #95 kafir lover

He's not stupid. He's naive and arrogant - an educated fool.

He's... audacious.

99 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:10am

re: #94 HelloDare

Just proves that it doesn't matter how smart you supposedly are if you are deluded and led by your ideology.

The wrong execution of the wrong idea? - what could go wrong?

100 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:21am

Obama is already viewed as a "bad faith" negotiator on the international stage.


Not good at all... not good.

101 chicago blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:32am

This may be OT, but speaking of haggling - did anyone else see this and think we're being groomed for "acceptance here?
No tingle down my leg, but a chill down my spine

102 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:33am

re: #67 Dianna

I'm surprised that Medvedev could speak without breaking into giggles.

They must think Obama's a blithering idiot.

Remember; perception is reality.

103 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #62 lawhawk

He'll just give them a bailout. Then they'll pen hosannas to the Great Leader, and all will be as it was.

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:44am

re: #75 FloridaAnole

Khrushchev ate JFK's lunch at the Moscow Conference. According to New Frontiersmen who were present at the meeting, JFK emerged from the encounter white and shaking. Putin and his front man will eat BHO's lunch, dinner and breakfast waffles.

Worst part is, Obambi may not (at least, in the short term) realize how badly he's being ripped.

105 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:56am

re: #11 Leonidas Hoplite

What a rank amateur. Obama is going to be played like a fiddle by his new friends. He'll be the guy that gets hazed before being accepted into the clique, only to find out in the end he won't be accepted anyway.

I wish I could be so optimistic (!) ... remember Obama's taped promise to end funding of "unproven" missile defense systems, etc? Obama doesn't want to deploy missile defense, and Russia just gave him the perfect excuse to kill the program.

106 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:02am

re: #19 calcajun

No, they do not like you. Yes, there are people on the planet who are immune to your charms. BTW, Vladimir Putin is NOT Nikita Khrushchev and you are not JFK.

Word to the wise, Mr. President, do not start believing your own press.

When they met in Vienna in 1961, Khrushchev made JFK his bitch. The meeting was a disaster for US foreign policy.

107 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:13am

but but but according to Diane Sawyer on good morning America, Michelle is winning the Arms race

/

108 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:16am

re: #89 saberry0530

better

you forgot to add word prison
///

109 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:23am

re: #96 MarkX

Actually, not laughing, just smiling...

2 words come to mind:

Manchurian candiate.

Cripes. A facsimile from China might be better than the real thing.

110 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:30am

I figured out why Obama is still smoking. After every time he screws America, he steps out for a cigarette.

111 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:30am

re: #90 Fat Jolly Penguin

Ding.

All we need to do now is bring back disco, and gas lines.

112 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:43am

re: #73 Dianna

Yes.

The Russians know perfectly well that BHO's lost and in over his head.

Bush's remark about "seeing Putin's soul" is going to look positively...hard-headed.

Right you are! And wasn't it Mcain who said that whenever he looked into Putin's eyes he saw KGB?

113 SummerSong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:45am

Maybe the "O" just needs to invite Medvedev over for some Wednesday night hamburgers and hotdogs?

114 NelsFree  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:04am

re: #96 MarkX

Actually, not laughing, just smiling...

2 words come to mind:

Manchurian candiateCandidate.

There, fixed that for you. By the way, I ate your candi, while I was at it.
/Tasty!

115 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:20am

re: #107 Shug

but but but according to Diane Sawyer on good morning America, Michelle is winning the Arms race

/

She keeps her arms toned by backhanding her man.

116 wiffersnapper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:21am

It's a sad day when I agree with Putin more than I agree with Obama.

117 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:28am

re: #71 eschew_obfuscation

An acquaintance of mine who works in the defense industry told me last night that the entire mediterranean region is very nervous about what Obama might do. They're ramping up military spending now as a result.

Ha, there may be a bright side to O's presidency. Its causing the eurowienies to pony up for their own defense.

118 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:31am

re: #114 NelsFree

There, fixed that for you. By the way, I ate your candi, while I was at it.
/Tasty!

And drank his milkshake?

119 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:34am

re: #112 FloridaAnole

Right you are! And wasn't it Mcain who said that whenever he looked into Putin's eyes he saw KGB?

It was. One of McCain's better lines.

120 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:36am

The Russian Bear smells fear and its hungry.

Europe is on its back with their legs spread wide asking Russia to "not be too rough" and America is on her knee's begging for help. Oh yeah, I'm gonna sleep well tonight!

Now, where is that bottle of Scotch...I need a drink.

121 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:58am

RoP in action...
Attack on Sri Lankan Team in Lahore

122 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:01am

Market is up 28 at 6791 and change. Get it? CHANGE! Bwahaha!

/I laugh in order to keep from crying.

123 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:03am

re: #111 Ward Cleaver

All we need to do now is bring back disco, and gas lines.

I can live with the gas lines. Can't do disco again--never.

124 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:15am

re: #111 Ward Cleaver

All we need to do now is bring back disco, and gas lines.

1. Hip hop's a poor imitation, IMHO.
2. Obama's doing his best to achieve that by disallowing drilling and the use of oil shale.

125 Jack Reacher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:18am
“Haggling,” however, was not “productive,” Medvedev said.


Quite right. If we had a real president, he'd deploy--and expand--missile defense, modernize our nukes and their delivery systems, and find the best minds in the country to harden our networks against cyber attack. If Putin Medvedev complains, he'd explain "I was elected to defend America. That's what I'll do. Have a nice day."

Haggling with the Medvedev/Putins of the world is like asking the alligator to eat you slowly.

126 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:22am
Medvedev welcomed the “positive signals” coming from the Obama administration with which he hoped to reach “agreements.”

“Haggling,” however, was not “productive,” Medvedev said.

Great that you'll drop the shield idea but don't ask for any quid pro quo.

missile defence system which could target Russia

That's such a stupid statement. Unless Russia is flying toward Poland how are interceptors going to hit it?

127 MarkX  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:23am

re: #114 NelsFree

LOL, thanks
Maybe the Zero be a Manchurian candy-date?

128 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:25am

Back to work. I just had to comment on a Russia thread.

129 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:28am
130 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:43am

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

131 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:50am

re: #115 calcajun

She keeps her arms toned by backhanding her man.

She keeps her arms toned by rolling the myth that is Barack Obama back up the hill.

132 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:55am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

RoP in action...
Attack on Sri Lankan Team in Lahore

Liveleak Video

Right after the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team. I suspect coordination...

133 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:56am

re: #94 HelloDare

Just proves that it doesn't matter how smart you supposedly are if you are deluded and led by your ideology.

I'd suggest it depends on the ideology. If the ideology is the sanctity of personal liberty, the independence of the state, and the first duty of elected officials to protect and defend said, then ideology will lead to better/smarter policies.

If you are a liberal and your ideology only cares about 'getting along', 'peace at any price', and 'following the delusion that you can create a "fair" world by confiscating the property of your prodcutive citizens' then yes, it doesn't matter how 'smart' you are and your ideology will lead to stupid, damaging, dangerous policies.

134 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:00am

re: #110 HelloDare

I figured out why Obama is still smoking. After every time he screws America, he steps out for a cigarette.

So he's up to five packs a day?

At least he's getting his exercise by stepping outside.

135 chicago blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:20am

re: #125 Jack Reacher

Haggling with the Medvedev/Putins of the world is like asking the alligator to eat you slowly.

Or last.

136 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:24am

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

137 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:32am

Yes indeed! Forget the analogy of sending in the Junior Varsity team to play the top team in the State... this cluck has been playing T-Ball...with the MSM carrying him from base to base because he cannot get by on his own two feet.

Has the great O ever earned anything in his own right?

re: #5 alkizz

The O is so out of his league

138 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #120 Maximu§

The Russian Bear smells fear and its hungry.

Europe is on its back with their legs spread wide asking Russia to "not be too rough" and America is on her knee's begging for help. Oh yeah, I'm gonna sleep well tonight!

Now, where is that bottle of Scotch...I need a drink.

The Russian idea of foreplay is "Brace yourself--here it comes."

It's never too early for a good single-malt. Stock up now--we may have a trade war in a few months.

139 tradewind  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:44am

Here is is, the nightmare starting to come true.
All you need to see is the look on Putie's face.
We are so screwed...

140 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:49am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

So he's up to five packs a day?

At least he's getting his exercise by stepping outside.

Yeah, but the downside is, they have to keep replacing the windows.

;-)

141 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

Now that's insane. It's socks for pete's sake.

142 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #92 brookly red

my computers not broken?

Your computer is fine, the financial instution is what's broken.

143 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:19am

re: #74 looking closely

If were a European leader, I'd be pretty damn afraid of Obama's imactivity here.

Where are they going to be without the force of America's arms?

Devil's advocate time--they are going to have to drag themselves to where they should have been for at least the last 20 years, which is self-sufficiency in terms of their military defense.

We have provided for their security for long enough. It's time for them to grow up and make some decisions. They can have cradle to grave welfare for all of their citizens or they can have freedom.

I'm OK with letting them face the consequences of the decisions they make.

144 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:34am

re: #141 Honorary Yooper

Now that's insane. It's socks for pete's sake.

I bit my tongue till it bled

145 Stonemason  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:09am

re: #36 So?

Damn, I never get a hat tip, even though I wrote about this story in the last thread.

Dude, that story was on drudge since about 7 am EST...long time gone on that one, I think posted in spinoffs to the dead thread,
On my own little excuse for a blog at about 9 am...

146 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:19am

re: #138 calcajun

The Russian idea of foreplay is "Brace yourself--here it comes."

It's never too early for a good single-malt. Stock up now--we may have a trade war in a few months.

If we have a trade war, that's all that's needed to push us over the edge int he Obamadepression. Last one got started with a major trade war.

147 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #130 rawmuse

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

Wow, just wow.

/the rats are leaving the sinking ship

148 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:35am

re: #130 rawmuse

Too bad he didn't have some first thoughts.

149 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #144 Shug

And people wonder why I'd rather drive than fly.

150 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:21am

re: #130 rawmuse

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

Will the prodigal son return?

151 rexatosis  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:23am

I know Pres. Obama won't take this advice but it might be helpful if he reads the following: Henry Kissinger, "Diplomacy"; Richard Nixon, "Six Crises" and "Seize the Moment"; Robert Kennedy, "Thirteen Days"; and James Baker, "Politics of Diplomacy." All are written by those who have played a role in shaping U.S. foreign policy and were there when the proverbial --- hit the fan. Putin and other world leaders, in front of and behind the curtain, do not get a tingly feeling when the messiah enters the room, they are hard edged, hard nosed tough SOBs and have to be dealt with based on that understanding.

152 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:25am

re: #141 Honorary Yooper

Now that's insane. It's socks for pete's sake.

If they're like our kids' socks, they probably though he'd unleashed a poison gas attack.

153 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:26am

re: #128 Dianna

Back to work. I just had to comment on a Russia thread.

And I know why too. Hi Diana.

154 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:37am

There is a bear in the woods...

155 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:37am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

TSA in Phoenix made me do the same, but with shoes.

156 chicago blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:43am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

A 9-month-old? Did you protest as discrimination against Adorable Americans?

157 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:58am

The Zero is giving away everything else. No surprise he's giving away our authority on the world stage.

158 MarkX  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #150 Honorary Yooper

Will the prodigal son return?

Sorry, I'm not a forgiving father...

159 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:26am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

I feel so much more secure. Man, that's ridiculous.

160 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:58am

re: #81 brookly red

Well yes, but the up side is they might start paying for there own defense.

With their economies in a far worse shape than that of the USA - fat chance!

With NuLab leaders here in the UK our defense budget has been cut back so much its affecting our performance in A'stan.

With Germany having an election in two month's time, there is no chance of any increase in defense budgets any time soon.

France ... will speak of la Gloire and do eff all ...

Gawd, its getting worse by the minute.

161 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:16am

I want a president with skills.
re: #130 rawmuse

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

If this is what the American people want, so be it, but they ought to have no illusions about the perils of this approach. Mr. Obama is proposing among everything else $1 trillion in new entitlements, and entitlement programs never go away, or in the oddly poetic bureaucratic jargon, “sunset.” He is proposing $1.4 trillion in new taxes, an appetite for which was largely was whetted by the shameful excesses of American CEO corporate culture. And finally, he has proposed $5 trillion in new debt, one-half the total accumulated national debt in all US history. All in one fell swoop.

...

This is nothing if not audacious hope. If he’s right, then looking back, March 2009 will be the dawn of the Age of Stimulation, or whatever elegant phrase Niall Ferguson comes up with. If he turns out to be wrong, then it will look very different, the entrance ramp to the Road to Serfdom, perhaps, and he will reap the whirlwind that follows, along with the rest of us.

Chris is still hanging on, though, Just barely.

162 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

that is wrong on so many levels

163 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #154 jcm

There is a bear in the woods...

[Video]

Exactly what I thought of. My favorite Reagan ad.

As for Obama? He would try to feed it wild caught salmon, to appease it.

/hey, you're supposed to eat the fish! not me! arrrgghhh!

164 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #133 Leonidas Hoplite

I'd suggest it depends on the ideology. If the ideology is the sanctity of personal liberty, the independence of the state, and the first duty of elected officials to protect and defend said, then ideology will lead to better/smarter policies.

If you are a liberal and your ideology only cares about 'getting along', 'peace at any price', and 'following the delusion that you can create a "fair" world by confiscating the property of your prodcutive citizens' then yes, it doesn't matter how 'smart' you are and your ideology will lead to stupid, damaging, dangerous policies.

And I think a lot depends on comparing the theory with reality. The scientific method, if you will.
If that were done, people would understand that capitalism works better than socialism and communism. But the leftists are so stuck on wishful thinking, they think if they really, really believe, and try harder, then a theory that has been a miserable failure every time it is implemented will finally succeed.

We are reaping the results of our poor science education.

165 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:12am

re: #59 turn
Turn - it's just as I said in my #56 above - Obama's in the true Big Leagues now. He isn't "talking to" others who are subordinate to him in any way, shape or form.
Does the world need ANYTHING from the US? Yes, they need our economy. Do y'all think that the World is truly impressed by what Obama has achieved or proposes to achieve economically? Even if we're talking about Socialist States?
For crying out loud, some European Socialist States, like say, France, are already 50/50 workers and those living off the public teat - how are they gonna keep up that juggling act when the USA won't be around to pick up the cost of defending France? Or Great Britain or Germany? And Hell, Russia isn't even a first rate non-nuclear power these days but they sure as hell could take France and Germany. So this POTUS - who so wanted the World to "like us" again, is spending so much money - or proposing spending so much money here in the US, the US won't have enough money to bail out other nations, no matter how much they may need to be bailed out.
Less than 60 days into office and he's already a damned disaster.

166 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:42am

re: #155 Creeping Eruption

TSA in Phoenix made me do the same, but with shoes.

Well, I went through the new full-body scan system at the airport in Kenosha Wisconsin. It took almost three hours.

Of course, Heidi Klum was right in front of me, so that may have been the problem.

(Okay, I made that up.)

167 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:53am

re: #130 rawmuse

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

So, he no longer likes the cut of the man's jib, eh. Well, Buck, old man, sounds like you're a day late and a dollar short. I tried to tell you that blended Scotch is better than no Scotch at all when you threw your support to that dusky mountebank. This is what comes when you decide to shake things up instead of staying the course.//

(forgive my poor attempt at channeling Iowahawk)

168 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:20am

The Myth of the Authoritarian Model

Summary: A growing conventional wisdom holds that Vladimir Putin's attack on democracy has brought Russia stability and prosperity -- providing a new model of successful market authoritarianism. But the correlation between autocracy and economic growth is spurious. Autocracy's effects in Russia have in fact been negative. Whatever the gains under Putin, they would have been greater under a democratic regime.

Long but worth the read.

169 So?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:36am

Now that the Russians know they can play with Sir O, we're in for lots of trouble.

170 Lincolntf  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:40am

re: #161 FrogMarch

Buckley was deluding himself during the campaign. He knows it, we know it, and every nominal conservative in Washington who did the same thing knows it.

171 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:52am

If the Obama administration showed “common sense” in proposing a “common shield against all types of threats” and reconsidered its plans of a missile defence system which could target Russia bent over and grabbed its ankles, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate, Medvedev said.

fixed translated that

172 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:55am

re: #127 MarkX

LOL, thanks
Maybe the Zero be a Manchurian candy-date?

Manchurian Candy-ass.

173 opinionated  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:04am

The stock market killing President is pontificating on the market.

174 So?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #70 iceman1960

OT
Market was up today.
Obama sends Bernanke out to speak and the DOW and my 401K drops.
F*CK OBAMA.
Sorry had to say that - now I feel a little better.
I may find myself saying that at least once a day.

A new mantra.

175 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #166 subsailor68

Well, I went through the new full-body scan system at the airport in Kenosha Wisconsin. It took almost three hours.

Of course, Heidi Klum was right in front of me, so that may have been the problem.

(Okay, I made that up.)

Starting to wonder there for a minute why you'd have a full-body scan at a general aviation airport.

176 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:24am

re: #166 subsailor68

Well, I went through the new full-body scan system at the airport in Kenosha Wisconsin. It took almost three hours.

Of course, Heidi Klum was right in front of me, so that may have been the problem.

(Okay, I made that up.)

You were inside the body-scanner with Heidi Klum?!?!
Did you bribe the operator to take his/her time about it?

177 redheadredstate  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:24am

I've said it before, I'll say it again. This is what comes from letting people into institutions simply based on their skin-color not their ability (Affirmative Action). BHO wasn't qualified to be a local Alderman much less POTUS. Talk about chickens coming home to roost!

178 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #166 subsailor68

Well, I went through the new full-body scan system at the airport in Kenosha Wisconsin. It took almost three hours.

Soon that will be called "free health care".

179 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:45am

I want a president with skillz.

/ok I know -stupid.

180 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:53am

re: #63 FloridaAnole
" At least somebody (Russian &/or Iran) has BHO's number. Is this a fair summary?" Yes but it doesn't go far enough - I think the World at large has taken measure of Obama already and found him wanting.

181 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:05am

re: #173 opinionated

The stock market killing President is pontificating on the market.

He really loves to hear himself talk. The markets? Not so much.

182 badger1970  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:07am

I would find this rather amusing if it wasn't so scary . If Putin has a sense of humor he could just say the one's mother was a hamster and his father smelled like elderberries.

This so reminds me of Graham Chapman asking John Cleese (playing a French guard) if he had the holy grail.

183 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:16am

re: #130 rawmuse

Looks like Chris Buckley is having some second thoughts.

"President Barack Obama gave his first State of the Union speech. Governor Bobby Jindal gave his first and possibly last Republican response."

Heh.

184 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #165 realwest

Turn - it's just as I said in my #56 above - Obama's in the true Big Leagues now. He isn't "talking to" others who are subordinate to him in any way, shape or form.
Does the world need ANYTHING from the US? Yes, they need our economy. Do y'all think that the World is truly impressed by what Obama has achieved or proposes to achieve economically? Even if we're talking about Socialist States?
For crying out loud, some European Socialist States, like say, France, are already 50/50 workers and those living off the public teat - how are they gonna keep up that juggling act when the USA won't be around to pick up the cost of defending France? Or Great Britain or Germany? And Hell, Russia isn't even a first rate non-nuclear power these days but they sure as hell could take France and Germany. So this POTUS - who so wanted the World to "like us" again, is spending so much money - or proposing spending so much money here in the US, the US won't have enough money to bail out other nations, no matter how much they may need to be bailed out.
Less than 60 days into office and he's already a damned disaster.

Obama is using community organizing skills in the areana of international politics.

When you fail in community organizing, people don't join the organization.
When you fail in international politics, you get a war, and lots of people die.

Obama is so far out of his depth. He waded across the kiddie pool and thinks he's an Olympic class swimmer.

185 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:26am

re: #173 opinionated

The stock market killing President is pontificating on the market.

Oh shit, there goes the Dow.

186 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #170 Lincolntf

Buckley was deluding himself during the campaign. He knows it, we know it, and every nominal conservative in Washington who did the same thing knows it.

It's going to be hard not saying "I told you so."

So I won't.

187 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:44am

re: #178 brookly red

Brookly, did you see the squib on CNN about peacefully co-existing with cancer? That horrified me.

188 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:56am

re: #175 Honorary Yooper

Starting to wonder there for a minute why you'd have a full-body scan at a general aviation airport.

LOL! Well, Kenosha sounded funnier than Chicago, ya know?

189 opinionated  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:59am

Dumb people elect a Chicago community organizer who has never accomplished anything real and by magic he is an expert on everything. Just amazing.

190 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:13am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

Yeah, that is wrong. Last week I had to watch my son in his Army class-A uniform get searched at LAX and I was threatened with arrest if I did'nt "shut-up"

191 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

Parents do use their kids as mules unfortunately. Jihadists especially.

192 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #64 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
You are, as usual, quite right. Unfortunately for you (and the rest of us) Obama is simply not up to the task of taking Putin down. And it's not even close.

193 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:37am

re: #173 opinionated

The stock market killing President is pontificating on the market.

Dow heading back toward negative territory.

194 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:39am
If the Obama administration showed “common sense” in proposing a “common shield against all types of threats” and reconsidered its plans of a missile defense system which could target Russia, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate.

This is an impossible standard. There is no missile defense system that could effectively shield against Iran without the capability of targeting other nearby nations.

Obama should release a statement that this is ridiculous. Instead, he will likely suggest Medvedev consider a little unclenching action.

195 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #170 Lincolntf

Buckley was deluding himself during the campaign. He knows it, we know it, and every nominal conservative in Washington who did the same thing knows it.

I don't know Chris Buckley but it seems to me he just wants to be associated with the "hip" crowd. Good luck with that. Hip on the road to Serfdom.

196 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:04am

re: #136 Shug

Just back from a week in Florida.

TSA at Orlando airport made my 9 month old take off his socks to place them through the Xray machine.

That's insane. Well, I hope the rest of your stay here was enjoyable.

197 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:24am

Truce, militant style:

Killings, kidnappings jeopardise Pakistan Swat truce

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) — A fragile ceasefire in Pakistan's insurgency-hit Swat valley was hanging by a thread Tuesday after two soldiers were killed in an ambush and suspected Islamists kidnapped two local officials.

Pakistani troops and Taliban fighters traded accusations about violating a two-week ceasefire in the northwest former ski resort -- ripped apart by a brutal insurgency waged by Islamist hardliners trying to enforce Islamic law.

The soldiers were escorting a water tanker in Swat valley's Matta district when a group of militants fired on them, a security official told AFP.

In the ensuing gunfight, which lasted about an hour, three soldiers were wounded, the official added on condition of anonymity.

"Two of the injured soldiers died later at a medical facility," the official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

"The militant attack is a clear violation of the peace agreement. The security forces are exercising restraint and complying with the accord," the military said in a statement.

Muslim Khan, spokesman for Swat militant leader Maulana Fazlullah, said the soldiers were attacked because they moved without giving prior information.

"We had an agreement that whenever the army wanted to move, they should inform us, so that we can alert our men not to feel threatened," Khan told AFP.

198 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:35am

re: #182 badger1970

I would find this rather amusing if it wasn't so scary . If Putin has a sense of humor he could just say the one's mother was a hamster and his father smelled like elderberries.

This so reminds me of Graham Chapman asking John Cleese (playing a French guard) if he had the holy grail.

"Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"

199 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:43am

re: #176 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You were inside the body-scanner with Heidi Klum?!?!
Did you bribe the operator to take his/her time about it?

Tried, but they made me get out. Said the two of us looked like a shadow puppet rabbit on their monitor. Funny, we were trying for a swan.

200 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #150 Honorary Yooper

Will the prodigal son return?

Why would anybody want him back? Enjoy your new friends, Chrissie. Unfortunately daddy was probably smart enough to protect all that money he left you from those new friends of yours though.

201 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #187 Chicago Blonde

Brookly, did you see the squib on CNN about peacefully co-existing with cancer? That horrified me.

Yes, but I also consider watching CNN to be peacefully co-existing with cancer.

202 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:12am

re: #68 yma o hyd
"Will they [NATO] now have to assume that the USA under PB0 is going to leave them exposed?"
Do you really think they have any other choice or reason to believe otherwise?

203 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:16am

re: #180 realwest

" At least somebody (Russian &/or Iran) has BHO's number. Is this a fair summary?" Yes but it doesn't go far enough - I think the World at large has taken measure of Obama already and found him wanting.

The real world has always wanted a strong America. They know that somebody's gotta do it, and all things being equal we are the only ones up to the job. In fact we've shown remarkable restraint.

204 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #182 badger1970

I would find this rather amusing if it wasn't so scary . If Putin has a sense of humor he could just say the one's mother was a hamster and his father smelled like elderberries.

This so reminds me of Graham Chapman asking John Cleese (playing a French guard) if he had the holy grail.

Nah. 0bama wouldn't even try to get in inside a giant wooden rabbit.
He'd just go away, after turning over all their coconuts to the guard.

205 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:39am

re: #199 subsailor68

Tried, but they made me get out. Said the two of us looked like a shadow puppet rabbit on their monitor. Funny, we were trying for a swan.

LOL!

206 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:39am

Scientist Solves Mystery of Belly-Button Lint
One of life's greatest mysteries has now been solved.

Georg Steinhauser, a young, affable Austrian chemist, spent three years gazing at his own navel — and those of friends and family as well — to discover how exactly we get belly-button lint.

"Abdominal hair is mainly responsible for the accumulation of navel lint," proclaims Steinhauser in the abstract to his paper, presented in the online version of the journal Medical Hypotheses. "Therefore, this is a typically male phenomenon. The abdominal hair collects fibers from cotton shirts and directs them into the navel where they are compacted to a felt-like matter."

That's in keeping with a medium-scale Australian study cited by London's Daily Telegraph, which found that the average bearer of navel lint was "a slightly overweight middle-aged male with a hairy abdomen."


Science!

207 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:58am

re: #191 Rancher

Parents do use their kids as mules unfortunately. Jihadists especially.

Next time I go flying, I'm gonna' make sure the little one has a loaded diaper...

208 Lincolntf  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #195 FrogMarch

He's William F.'s son. He's written a few funny social/political novels, "Thank You For Smoking" among them. He's really not all that bad, but he caught the Obama flu.

209 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:31am

re: #195 FrogMarch

I don't know Chris Buckley but it seems to me he just wants to be associated with the "hip" crowd. Good luck with that. Hip on the road to Serfdom.

He wants the President to succeed. Like Michael Steele. They both want Rush to shut up about wanting Obama to fail.

210 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:42am

re: #157 JohnAdams

The Zero is giving away everything else. No surprise he's giving away our authority on the world stage.

BO is on TV as we speak and was asked about the missile shield and said the NYT article about a swap was inaccurate. He said it was a long letter, only part of which was about the missile shield. He claimed that he explained the need for the shield was to protect Europe and not threaten Russia and the need would be less urgent if Iran's program was stopped. Sounds like diplomatic speak for if you don't like the shield, take away the need for it.
There is some talk about relocating it to protect even the Russians, but we'll know more when Hillary meets with the Russians Friday.

211 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:55am

CNN is probably getting on board with the National Health Care Creed...we (the common folks, not the elected) will be expected to coexist with cancer and disease till we die in lieu of treatment.


re: #187 Chicago Blonde

Brookly, did you see the squib on CNN about peacefully co-existing with cancer? That horrified me.

212 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:14am

re: #79 NelsFree
Hey, could y'all "cc" a copy of that note to Obama?
Thankew kindly!

213 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:22am

re: #201 brookly red

Yes, but I also consider watching CNN to be peacefully co-existing with cancer.

I'm no fan but it's insightful as to what we're being fed. I put a link to the article earlier. I think they're grooming us proles to accept it, i.e. not fight it a cure is deemed not worth attempting under the shiny new healthcare being pushed for.
*shudder*

214 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:40am

I will be voting against Antonia Villaraigosa for mayor in the Los Angeles primary in a few hours. Unfortunately, I'm registered as an independent and not a Democrat so I only get one vote.

215 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:44am

re: #206 Kenneth

Scientist Solves Mystery of Belly-Button Lint
One of life's greatest mysteries has now been solved.


Science!

My great uncle had a peculiar fetish. He collected belly button lint and toe jam, and kept it in mason jars... Just think we could have donated the collection to science!

216 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:55am

"Russian Foreign Minister asks President Obama If Refrigerator is Running: White House Investigating"

217 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #165 realwest

Thanks for pointing me back upthread, I jumped in right below you. Yes I agree completely. This country chose to ignore experience as a qualification for President and focused on, well I'm sad to say it, race instead. See look at us world, we elected a black (well 1/2 anyway) man president. We are not the bad, bad amerikka of the past. Can't we all just unclench our fists get along now? Man are they in for a rude awakening, sad part they won't and they will blame it all on Bush in their warped view of reality.

218 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #211 gonecamping

CNN is probably getting on board with the National Health Care Creed...we (the common folks, not the elected) will be expected to coexist with cancer and disease till we die in lieu of treatment.

Yep. You get it, we'll be rubber-stamped as too old, too this, too that...

219 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:22am

re: #210 avanti

There is some talk about relocating it to protect even the Russians, but we'll know more when Hillary meets with the Russians Friday.

The alternative idea is to locate part of it on Russian territory, which is so profoundly a stupid idea, Obama is sure to go for it.

220 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #210 avanti

BO is on TV as we speak and was asked about the missile shield and said the NYT article about a swap was inaccurate. He said it was a long letter, only part of which was about the missile shield. He claimed that he explained the need for the shield was to protect Europe and not threaten Russia and the need would be less urgent if Iran's program was stopped. Sounds like diplomatic speak for if you don't like the shield, take away the need for it.
There is some talk about relocating it to protect even the Russians, but we'll know more when Hillary meets with the Russians Friday.

Do you believe the words coming out his mouth?

221 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:30am

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When the Taliban make a peace treaty they are immediately out of career options.

222 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:45am

re: #215 jcm

Eww.

223 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:52am

re: #168 Sharmuta

The Myth of the Authoritarian Model

Long but worth the read.

Yeltsin was far from a perfect democrat: he used force to crush the Russian parliament in 1993, bulldozed into place a new constitution that increased presidential power, and barred some parties or individuals from competing in a handful of national and regional elections. He also initiated two wars in Chechnya. The system that Yeltsin handed over to Putin lacked many key attributes of a liberal democracy. Still, whatever its warts, the Russian regime under Yeltsin was unquestionably more democratic than the Russian regime today. Although the formal institutional contours of the Russian political system have not changed markedly under Putin, the actual democratic content has eroded considerably.

Putin's rollback of democracy started with independent media outlets. When he came to power, three television networks had the national reach to really count in Russian politics -- RTR, ORT, and NTV. Putin tamed all three.

The power hungry go after the media first.
thanks for the link.

224 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:56am

OT

The Zero and His bud from the UK are talking about creating a GLOBAL NEW DEAL...(that means a socialist style world economy)...yikes..

225 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:07am

re: #206 Kenneth

Scientist Solves Mystery of Belly-Button Lint
One of life's greatest mysteries has now been solved.


Science!

How much funding will this guy get in the stimulus?

226 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:18am

re: #160 yma o hyd

With their economies in a far worse shape than that of the USA - fat chance!

With NuLab leaders here in the UK our defense budget has been cut back so much its affecting our performance in A'stan.

With Germany having an election in two month's time, there is no chance of any increase in defense budgets any time soon.

France ... will speak of la Gloire and do eff all ...

Gawd, its getting worse by the minute.

Well, then they can become Russian vassals. After the years of ingratitude that those bastards have heaped on the US, I really don't give a damn.

227 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:36am

re: #208 Lincolntf

He's William F.'s son. He's written a few funny social/political novels, "Thank You For Smoking" among them. He's really not all that bad, but he caught the Obama flu.

I know he's WFB's son. I prefer his dad.

228 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:02am

Obama running out of people to blame

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

229 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:15am

re: #225 Ward Cleaver

How much funding will this guy get in the stimulus?

If it's touted as "green" fuel, plenty...

230 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:16am

re: #210 avanti

BO is on TV as we speak and was asked about the missile shield and said the NYT article about a swap was inaccurate. He said it was a long letter, only part of which was about the missile shield. He claimed that he explained the need for the shield was to protect Europe and not threaten Russia and the need would be less urgent if Iran's program was stopped. Sounds like diplomatic speak for if you don't like the shield, take away the need for it.
There is some talk about relocating it to protect even the Russians, but we'll know more when Hillary meets with the Russians Friday.

To protect the Russians from the Russians? Genius!

231 Izzy Dunne  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:33am

Whaddya wanna bet that O'bama stops the "US-planned missile defence system" anyway, as a "show of good faith"?

232 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:46am

So, the United States is expected to bailout now the sinking ship over there in the EU...hey, that's smart thinking by the EU folks.

233 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:17am

Then they will say we are too old to enjoy retirement, thus no SS and they scavange our ROTH IRAs.


re: #218 Chicago Blonde

Yep. You get it, we'll be rubber-stamped as too old, too this, too that...

234 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:19am

re: #214 HelloDare

I will be voting against Antonia Villaraigosa for mayor in the Los Angeles primary in a few hours. Unfortunately, I'm registered as an independent and not a Democrat so I only get one vote.

How many votes does his girlfriend get?

235 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:28am

OT

I drove down Sunset Blvd yesterday...and it was like driving through a pornographic novel. The Cigarette billboard ads we grew up with are now replaced with (almost) naked girls and young boys posing in positions that are not for young eyes.

Thanks Liberals! You really made America a great place to raise children...sick MFER's!

sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

236 samsgran1948  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:33am

re: #74 looking closely

If were a European leader, I'd be pretty damn afraid of Obama's imactivity here.

Where are they going to be without the force of America's arms?

And they're going to be even more unhappy at having to start spending their own coin-of-the-realm for their own defense in the midst of a global economic meltdown.

Hey, Europe! How's that Anything-but-Bush president working out for you?

237 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:59am

re: #213 Chicago Blonde

I'm no fan but it's insightful as to what we're being fed. I put a link to the article earlier. I think they're grooming us proles to accept it, i.e. not fight it a cure is deemed not worth attempting under the shiny new healthcare being pushed for.
*shudder*

Yup, Socialism does not value individual life.

238 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:06am

re: #209 Rancher

He wants the President to succeed. Like Michael Steele. They both want Rush to shut up about wanting Obama to fail.

Ok - I agree with that. Rush does need to shut up. Rush doesn't realize that every time he says it - the dems take in more donations..

239 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:33am

re: #151 rexatosis

I know Pres. Obama won't take this advice but it might be helpful if he reads the following: Henry Kissinger, "Diplomacy"; Richard Nixon, "Six Crises" and "Seize the Moment"; Robert Kennedy, "Thirteen Days"; and James Baker, "Politics of Diplomacy." All are written by those who have played a role in shaping U.S. foreign policy and were there when the proverbial --- hit the fan. Putin and other world leaders, in front of and behind the curtain, do not get a tingly feeling when the messiah enters the room, they are hard edged, hard nosed tough SOBs and have to be dealt with based on that understanding.

You are so mean. A playful fist-bump and high-five will make them love us.

240 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:37am

re: #226 funky chicken

Well, then they can become Russian vassals. After the years of ingratitude that those s have heaped on the US, I really don't give a damn.

Europe is already the new USSR. Might as well just get hitched.

241 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:40am

avanti... an answer to your last questions on the overnight thread...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

242 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:46am

Putin just gave Obama an Intercontinental Ballistic Wedgie.

243 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:52am

Why doesn't Obama just burn the US Constitution and forgo that old-fashioned concept called "sovereignty"?

244 Opinionated  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:56am

Between the community organizer and the tax cheating Sec of Treasury, this market is lucky to not crash every day.

245 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #216 Bloodnok

"Russian Foreign Minister asks President Obama If Refrigerator is Running: White House Investigating"

"Dim Light Bulb Found Inside White House Refrigerator:
... Press Asks Russian Foreign Minister How He Knew"

246 calcajun  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:54:02am

re: #233 gonecamping

Then they will say we are too old to enjoy retirement, thus no SS and they scavange our ROTH IRAs.

It will become a SOL ROTH IRA-- as in Solyent Green. The government pays for the old boomers to be "retired" and turned into animal feed.

Yep..We're doomed.

247 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:54:14am

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama running out of people to blame

Hi Kafir! I posted a link to this on the last thread - but a little too late. Thanks for posting it again! I thought it was a terrific little piece on what the Obama policies could mean for the economy.

248 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #233 gonecamping

Then they will say we are too old to enjoy retirement, thus no SS and they scavange our ROTH IRAs.

When health care rationing starts the elderly will be put in the back of the line.

249 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:54:35am

re: #177 redheadredstate

I've said it before, I'll say it again. This is what comes from letting people into institutions simply based on their skin-color not their ability (Affirmative Action). BHO wasn't qualified to be a local Alderman much less POTUS. Talk about chickens coming home to roost!

What does BHO have to do with affirmative action ? His father attended Harvard, that may have helped with a legacy point or two, but he did not get in via his skin color.

250 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:54:56am

I think Obama's pay grade is down there around minimum wage.

251 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #237 brookly red

Yup, Socialism does not value individual life.

And I slip in here when I can throughout the day, because I know you guys see it too. Keeps me sane.

252 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:03am

re: #236 samsgran1948

"Europe" wants the U.S. to bail them out of their financial crisis. And The Zero sounds more than willing to assist them.

253 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:22am

re: #210 avanti

There is some talk about relocating it to protect even the Russians, but we'll know more when Hillary meets with the Russians Friday.


Which proves he has an abysmal understanding of the Russian psyche.

254 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:29am
255 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:30am

re: #243 J.S.

Why doesn't Obama just burn the US Constitution and forgo that old-fashioned concept called "sovereignty"?

He can write the Declaration of Codependence.

256 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:35am

re: #186 JohnAdams

It's going to be hard not saying "I told you so."

So I won't.

I'll say it. Although when he endorsed BHO, Buckley had just lost his father, and also his mother a few months before that, so maybe we ought to just excuse him on the grounds that he was deranged by grief. Provided, however, he doesn't sink back into the Brown Nosed Mole mode that his friends Parker and Brooks seem to be stuck in.

257 Opinionated  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:45am

Maybe the market will go up when Geithner shuts up for the day.

258 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:46am

re: #236 samsgran1948

And they're going to be even more unhappy at having to start spending their own coin-of-the-realm for their own defense in the midst of a global economic meltdown.

Hey, Europe! How's that Anything-but-Bush president working out for you?

Problem is, if they arm up they will get into each other and it will be WWIII.

259 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:55:55am

The Myth of the Authoritarian Model

Meanwhile, Russia now ranks as the third-most-dangerous place in the world to be a journalist, behind only Iraq and Colombia. Reporters Without Borders has counted 21 journalists murdered in Russia since 2000, including Anna Politkovskaya, the country's most courageous investigative journalist, in October 2006.

And:

Perhaps most incredible, public assembly is no longer tolerated. In the spring of 2007, Other Russia, a coalition of civil-society groups and political parties led by the chess champion Garry Kasparov, tried to organize public meetings in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Both meetings were disrupted by thousands of police officers and special forces, and hundreds of demonstrators were arrested -- repression on a scale unseen in Russia in 20 years.

This is who 0bama wants to sell eastern europe to.

260 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #248 Rancher

When health care rationing starts the elderly will be put in the back of the line.

Followed by those who aren't producing enough for a large tax haul.

261 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:11am

re: #239 debutaunt

Too late to read them now, he should have read them before he started his presidential campaign.

262 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:23am

re: #243 J.S.

Why doesn't Obama just burn the US Constitution and forgo that old-fashioned concept called "sovereignty"?

I think he already burned it and smoked it. Isn't it printed on hemp? Or were only the rough drafts?

263 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:27am
264 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:45am

re: #263 ploome hineni

Fookin ell

265 Opinionated  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:53am

Tax cheating Sec being questioned by tax cheating Chairman. What a country.

266 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #230 Ward Cleaver

To protect the Russians from the Russians? Genius!

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

267 Piglet-U93  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:33am

re: #221 JohnAdams

When the Taliban make a peace treaty they are immediately out of career options.

Out of a job with no career options might be more accurate.

268 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:33am

re: #238 FrogMarch

Ok - I agree with that. Rush does need to shut up. Rush doesn't realize that every time he says it - the dems take in more donations..

Every time Rush says anything the Dems take in more money. Effective opposition does rally the troops. If we surrender then certainly donations will dry up because they wont be needed.

269 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:36am

re: #231 Izzy Dunne

Whaddya wanna bet that O'bama stops the "US-planned missile defence system" anyway, as a "show of good faith"?

270 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #202 realwest

"Will they [NATO] now have to assume that the USA under PB0 is going to leave them exposed?"
Do you really think they have any other choice or reason to believe otherwise?

As long as PB0 is in office - no.
The only bright side to this is that its happened so early into his Presidency. So NATO members can now start to think and prepare, rather than wake up one day in a much deeper, PB0-made mess.

Gawd - I remember all those NATO troops in Bosnia. The Dutch not getting out to prevent Srebrenica ... Germans not fighting ...
I'm glad I live in Great Britain - our lads are fine, if strapped for cash and equipment. However, the blydi NuLab asshats ahve stripped our Royal Navy down to such an extend that we can count ourselves lucky if we just manage to 'rule the waves' around our Islands!

271 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:41am

Soviet Premier Kruschev humiliated President Jack Kennedy, and decided he could roll him. The Cuban missile crisis, which almost led to the Third World War, was the result.

The same thing is happening to Obama right now. He's about to get rolled. I don't think he'll go to war over it. He'll just laugh it off.

272 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:58:08am

re: #206 Kenneth

Scientist Solves Mystery of Belly-Button Lint
One of life's greatest mysteries has now been solved.

Science!

I wonder how much he received in grant money for this research project.

273 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #214 HelloDare

I will be voting against Antonia Villaraigosa for mayor in the Los Angeles primary in a few hours. Unfortunately, I'm registered as an independent and not a Democrat so I only get one vote.

Trutanich for City Atty please!

274 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:59:06am

re: #263 ploome hineni

..looking at Drudge this morning, every single headline is depressing

Malia and Sasha got a new puppy!

275 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #271 quickjustice

Soviet Premier Kruschev humiliated President Jack Kennedy, and decided he could roll him. The Cuban missile crisis, which almost led to the Third World War, was the result.

The same thing is happening to Obama right now. He's about to get rolled. I don't think he'll go to war over it. He'll just laugh it off.

It's the entire USA who has been rickrolled.

276 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:59:22am

re: #265 Opinionated

Throw them all out

277 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:59:38am

re: #224 J.S.

OT

The Zero and His bud from the UK are talking about creating a GLOBAL NEW DEAL...(that means a socialist style world economy)...yikes..

I warned you about that on Sunday, sigh ...

278 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:59:49am

I stink

279 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:26am

We all stink

280 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:29am

re: #266 avanti

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

And putting our highest technology systems on Russian soil is good how?

Where is Iran getting a lot of missile and nuclear support?

For a history lesson look at the Tupolev Tu-4 code name Bull.

281 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #240 JohnAdams

Europe is already the new USSR. Might as well just get hitched.

Tsars and commissars come and go, but Russian imperialism lives on. Putin has transformed Russia from a communist state to a fascist state. Western Europe to a different path, form social democracy to corporate statism, but the end result is much the same. They are made for each other. Call the new Russia/Europe hybrid "Eurussia", not identical, but comparable to Chimerica.

Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.

282 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:38am

re: #273 redc1c4

Trutanich for City Atty please!

Why?

283 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:48am

Okay, just gotta post this:

"Yes, I voted for Obama. Why do you ask?"

And no, it's not a racial thing. More of a mindset thing.

284 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:55am

re: #249 avanti

I think red is saying O got elected because he's black, obviously his experience had nothing to do with it.

285 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:58am

I can't wait until their first meeting. Only than will 44 realize what a mess he is in. Putin will eat him up and chase it with the finest vodka.

286 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:59am

Something stinks in here!

287 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #271 quickjustice

Soviet Premier Kruschev humiliated President Jack Kennedy, and decided he could roll him. The Cuban missile crisis, which almost led to the Third World War, was the result.

The same thing is happening to Obama right now. He's about to get rolled. I don't think he'll go to war over it. He'll just laugh it off.

Somebody bring Joe Biden another Rob Roy and tell him he was right about the Major International Crisis thing.

288 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:25am

re: #266 avanti

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

Uh-huh.

289 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:27am

re: #249 avanti

What does BHO have to do with affirmative action ? His father attended Harvard, that may have helped with a legacy point or two, but he did not get in via his skin color.

That's how he got his current job.

290 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:38am
291 Gella  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:43am

re: #284 turn

I think red is saying O got elected because he's black, obviously his experience had nothing to do with it.

O has no experience

292 SFGoth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:53am

Next time, GOP, please nominate a candidate who can articulate a position so we don't get stuck with this kind of tomfoolery.

293 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #285 Erik The Red

I can't wait until their first meeting. Only than will 44 realize what a mess he is in. Putin will eat him up and chase it with the finest vodka.

Obama won't have clue. He'll get played by Putin and never know.

294 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:16am

We are too primitive on this website, time to get to the new gentle version of man, one who never stinks.

Or even is productive.

295 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:20am

First exchange of pleasantries complete, now what?

296 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:26am

re: #211 gonecamping

CNN is probably getting on board with the National Health Care Creed...we (the common folks, not the elected) will be expected to coexist with cancer and disease till we die in lieu of treatment.

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

297 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:46am

Really, I suppose- it's not surprising. The American left always has had a fascination with euro-fascists like Il Duce, so why wouldn't 0bama be willing to work with Putin?

298 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:53am

re: #282 HelloDare

Why?

for one thing, he's not Jack Weiss.

we have friends & family who live in San Pedro, and the consensus is that in a world of BS'ers, he's a straight shooter.

besides that, the Brady gun control group doesn't like him.

299 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:00am
300 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:04am

re: #263 ploome hineni

Read the one about the 30 year lull in global warming, it's kind of comical.

301 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #283 subsailor68

Okay, just gotta post this:

"Yes, I voted for Obama. Why do you ask?"

And no, it's not a racial thing. More of a mindset thing.

Obviously, McDonalds is in need of a McNugget bailout.

302 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:13am

re: #206 Kenneth

Scientist Solves Mystery of Belly-Button Lint
One of life's greatest mysteries has now been solved.


Science!

This is a future IgNobel nominee.

303 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #287 JohnAdams

Somebody bring Joe Biden another Rob Roy Shirley Temple and tell him he was right about the Major International Crisis thing.

FTFY!

304 AuntAcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:51am

Swoosh! Putin scores...Nothing but net!

305 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #266 avanti

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

You feel safe knowing the Russians have their finger on the missile defense system that is supposed to be protecting America?

Why not give bank robbers the combination to the safe? That way they won't have to frighten tellers with guns.

306 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:04:20am

re: #283 subsailor68

Okay, just gotta post this:

"Yes, I voted for Obama. Why do you ask?"

And no, it's not a racial thing. More of a mindset thing.

Speaking from experience, on some police reports, you can get an entire office laughing their asses off.

307 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #293 jcm

Obama won't have clue. He'll get played by Putin and never know.

I need brain bleach. I had the image of 0bama in the orgasmatron (from Barbarella) while Putin plays.

308 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #305 Kenneth

You feel safe knowing the Russians have their finger on the missile defense system that is supposed to be protecting America?

Why not give bank robbers the combination to the safe? That way they won't have to frighten tellers with guns.

Yeah - and the safe can be re-used after they've emptied it ...

309 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #286 jcm

Something stinks in here!

My AromaJet™ applet is malfunctioning.
What's it smell like?

310 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:09am

re: #307 Kosh's Shadow

I need brain bleach. I had the image of 0bama in the orgasmatron (from Barbarella) while Putin plays.

Oh man, did you have to? :)

311 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:13am

re: #266 avanti

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

The Russians would view the offer of American protection as arrogant and an insult,What would lead you to believe that the Russians don't feel perfectly capable of taking care of themselves?

312 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:50am

re: #301 Ward Cleaver

Obviously, McDonalds is in need of a McNugget bailout.

LOL!

For immediate release:

"While the McNugget scarcity crisis began in Florida, it has quickly spread to California, Nevada, Arizona, and Michigan" said spokesman Gibb. "While the other 45 states have plenty of McNuggets, it is our policy to mandate these states share their McNuggets with the less fortunate states."

313 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:51am

re: #249 avanti

What does BHO have to do with affirmative action ? His father attended Harvard, that may have helped with a legacy point or two, but he did not get in via his skin color.

Are you kidding? He's ridden his skin color all the way to the top.

314 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:53am

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't smell anything.

315 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:05:55am

re: #203 JohnAdams
You are once again correct. But that's why I've been harping on Obama's being waay over his head here. He doesn't know foreign affairs. He KNOWS Chicago style politics. That's it. And Chicago style politics, matched with his socialist/communist ideals are not going over well with the world. The world (which never hated us as much as candidate Obama said they did) NEEDS a strong US. A militarily strong US and especially an economically strong US and Obama is leading us in the wrong damn direction in both areas. He is such a narcissist and has surrounded himself with such sycophants who have settled their IRS problems of long standing, that he just doesn't understand or comprehend that the World is in a state of shock at seeing that the Emperor of the United States has no clothes.

316 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:07am

re: #296 FloridaAnole

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

Damn, that delivered a much needed chuckle.

317 XMarine  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:07am

Ah, the Wet Dogs Club won't accept Obama as a full member. Perhaps, if he is lucky they might offer to make him a Damp Puppy.

318 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #307 Kosh's Shadow

I need brain bleach. I had the image of 0bama in the orgasmatron (from Barbarella) while Putin plays.


Eeewww!

319 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #312 subsailor68

LOL!

For immediate release:

"While the McNugget scarcity crisis began in Florida, it has quickly spread to California, Nevada, Arizona, and Michigan" said spokesman Gibb. "While the other 45 states have plenty of McNuggets, it is our policy to mandate these states share their McNuggets with the less fortunate states."

Ding!

320 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My AromaJet™ applet is malfunctioning.
What's it smell like?

Ask Ojoe he dealt it!
;-P

321 markx  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #190 Maximu§

Yeah, that is wrong. Last week I had to watch my son in his Army class-A uniform get searched at LAX and I was threatened with arrest if I did'nt "shut-up"

All those overweight TSA wand-wavers are the Zero’s followers. Better watch yourself...

322 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:08am

re: #283 subsailor68

Okay, just gotta post this:

"Yes, I voted for Obama. Why do you ask?"

And no, it's not a racial thing. More of a mindset thing.

You got to be fucking joking. No wonder 44 got elected. If this is the caliber of the American public God help us all. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

323 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:13am

re: #314 Killgore Trout Stinks

I don't smell anything.

Extra points for usage of sock puppet.

324 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #310 Chicago Blonde

Oh man, did you have to? :)

I'd much rather go back and watch Barbarella again. And enjoy it even more that Jane Fonda regrets making it.

325 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:32am

re: #249 avanti

What does BHO have to do with affirmative action ? His father attended Harvard, that may have helped with a legacy point or two, but he did not get in via his skin color.

One in ten voters said they were voting for the first time, and those new voters were overwhelmingly young and/or black, demographics that are good for the Democratic candidate. Among young voters, Obama was leading 69% to 28%. Among new voters, Obama was up 72 to 27.
Despite all the news hype, this was not a breakthrough election for the black vote. Black voters represented about 13% of the turnout, just slightly above the 2004 share.

What is significant is that they were an even more monolithic bloc for the Democrats. More than 19 out of 20 black voters backed Obama, compared to nine out of 10 for Kerry in 2004. Very few voters said race was an issue, but it clearly was. If the election had been left to white voters, John McCain would be president-elect this morning by a significant margin.

326 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #254 buzzsawmonkey

And you know this...how?

I know about the legacy thing, but never saw a hint that he used a affirmative action program to enter college. Do you have a link that shows his skin color got him him a special break into to college ?

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:45am

re: #314 Killgore Trout Stinks

I don't smell anything.

LOL!
I love that avatar! Looks like a dumpster full of fish. Correct?

328 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:50am

re: #296 FloridaAnole

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

"Take two cyanide and have your executor/executrix call me in the morning."

329 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #304 AuntAcid

Swoosh! Putin scores...Nothing but net!

BO turns, shoots!...aiirrr baaalll

330 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:56am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not surprised they're talking about a Nude Eel; Obama has already turned the lampreys loose on the Treasury.

that was just a fluke.

331 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #322 Erik The Red

You got to be fucking joking. No wonder 44 got elected. If this is the caliber of the American public God help us all. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

Well, to be fair, I don't really know for sure that she voted for Obama.

...wait! What am I saying! Of course she did!

;-)

332 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:32am

re: #322 Erik The Red

You got to be fucking joking. No wonder 44 got elected. If this is the caliber of the American public God help us all. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

i'm in classes with them... utterly frightening.

333 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:35am

re: #315 realwest

But we can count on Dan Rather to describe in detail the quality of the embroidering on our emperor's nonexistent clothes.

334 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:44am

Obama waffled when the tanks rolled into Georgia last summer. McCain dominated on that crisis. Putin/Medvedev know what kind of politician they are dealing with.

335 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #330 redc1c4

that was just a fluke.

No thanks, I don't want to see Obama's "nude eel".

/so that's what he calls it?

336 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:58am

re: #296 FloridaAnole

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

I thought it was "Take two blows to the head with a batleth and die well."
Only wimps take pain killers. Real Klingons kill others when they're in pain.
And the only good way to die is in battle!

337 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #293 jcm

Obama won't have clue. He'll get played by Putin and never know.

He'll walk out of there having given Alaska back without knowing it. /

338 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #326 avanti

I know about the legacy thing, but never saw a hint that he used a affirmative action program to enter college. Do you have a link that shows his skin color got him him a special break into to college ?

the fact that he was there.

339 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:27am

re: #335 Ward Cleaver

No thanks, I don't want to see Obama's "nude eel".

/so that's what he calls it?

I thought it was the "new steal"

340 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:40am
If the Obama administration showed “common sense” in proposing a “common shield against all types of threats” and reconsidered its plans of a missile defence system which could target Russia, Moscow would be prepared to negotiate, Medvedev said.

How do you target somebody with a defense system?

341 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:50am

I'm afraid their last gasp will be blaming Bush. I STILL can't get over how people are so enthralled over Obama...not just the dregs who want welfare, but those productive people with small businesses that will get taxed up the yazoo.

It is 2009, yet the market has retreated 12 years and National Health care will mimic the ancient Eskimo practice of putting the old folks out on an ice floe when no longer productive to society and causing a burden on the community.


re: #296 FloridaAnole

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

342 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:51am

re: #334 snowcrash

Obama waffled when the tanks rolled into Georgia last summer. McCain dominated on that crisis. Putin/Medvedev know what kind of politician they are dealing with.

Spot on!

343 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #327 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
I love that avatar! Looks like a dumpster full of fish. Correct?

A woman goes into a bar wearing a bucket of fish on her head.

344 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #337 Bloodnok

He'll walk out of there having given Alaska back without knowing it. /

no worries: Sarah will kick Putin's nuts off when he tries to collect on the deal.

345 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

Now you see the de facto, unconstitutional title of nobility in action, resulting in unmerited advantage conferred by accident of birth; resentments by the non noble class, and the installation of incompetent leaders; all aspects of the institution of nobility. The founding fathers were wise to proscribe it but it has crept back in under affirmative action & the like.

BBL

346 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #328 Ward Cleaver

"Take two cyanide and have your executor/executrix call me in the morning."

And if you're spayshul, do you at least get a screen of peaceful images to watch as you check out, a la Soylent Green?

347 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:35am

re: #317 XMarine

Ah, the Wet Dogs Club won't accept Obama as a full member. Perhaps, if he is lucky they might offer to make him a Damp Puppy.

Like a Portugese Water Dog, perhaps?

348 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:51am

re: #184 jcm
Yep. And all along his path through the kiddies pool, Obama actually thought he was walking on water.
But we've had other presidents who came into office with incredibly high, and with no basis in fact, opinions of themselves (see, e.g., John F. Kennedy) but at least they were CAPABLE of seeing just how ill prepared they were and how truly reckless their administrations plans were. With Obama I believe we are dealing with a true Narcissist. He's never been in a real FIGHT in his entire career (except against Hillary and the MSM and the super delegates in the smoke filled rooms made short work of her -Chicago style again) and he doesn't COMPREHEND the problems he has and is creating or exacerbating.

349 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:51am

Hey Honcos. It seems to think it wants to snow in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this afternoon.

Sanity from Russia? Glad to know the rest of the world still has adults running things.

How are you-all and what are we talking about now?

350 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #343 debutaunt

A woman goes into a bar wearing a bucket of fish on her head.

? ... forgive me, I don't get it

351 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:36am

re: #291 Gella

O has no experience

I agree, but he is just what the MFM and the idiots who voted for him wanted ... black. Bernie Goldbergs book "Slobbering Love Affair" makes this pretty clear, they elected him so they could feel good about themselves. Oh, that's kind of a sexy looking avatar there.

352 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:38am

re: #321 markx

All those overweight TSA wand-wavers are the Zero’s followers. Better watch yourself...

My husband has the Fly Clear card. On a recent trip they scanned his carry on bag with X-ray, but didn't snag him for the pocket knife he had in there. Did they drop the ball by scanning his bag or not catching the knife? Either way that 'job' is make work for people who are unemployable in the private sector.

353 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #337 Bloodnok

He'll walk out of there having given Alaska back without knowing it. /

When told that he had done that, Obama said, "Well, that wasn't really a state anyway. I mean, it didn't touch any of the other 56 states, so it's no big deal. Besides, when I heard "Putin", I thought they said "Palin." "Okay, my bad."

354 AuntAcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:48am

Now, back to Obama's domestic policy: Despair, envy, and hate.

355 The Other Les  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #349 ggt

The production of Soylent Green.

356 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:20am

re: #332 redc1c4

i'm in classes with them... utterly frightening.

B.b.b.but, how can this be --He and Michelle are on the cover of so many magazines. Certainly, that means he is the "best".

/

357 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:27am

re: #334 snowcrash

Obama waffled when the tanks rolled into Georgia last summer. McCain dominated on that crisis. Putin/Medvedev know what kind of politician they are dealing with.

You got that right. He is a politician not a leader.

358 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #350 pre-Boomer Marine brat

? ... forgive me, I don't get it

Kilgore's avatar is of a woman with a bucket of fish balanced on her head.

359 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #295 itellu3times

First exchange of pleasantries complete, now what?

Give them your lunch money.

360 Piglet-U93  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #296 FloridaAnole

I am having trouble with the imagery of 70 year old liberals rioting over (Klingon Health Care) in slippers and microprocessor-IV's while watching CNN through TV eyewear.

361 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:45am

re: #348 realwest

Yep. And all along his path through the kiddies pool, Obama actually thought he was walking on water.
But we've had other presidents who came into office with incredibly high, and with no basis in fact, opinions of themselves (see, e.g., John F. Kennedy) but at least they were CAPABLE of seeing just how ill prepared they were and how truly reckless their administrations plans were. With Obama I believe we are dealing with a true Narcissist. He's never been in a real FIGHT in his entire career (except against Hillary and the MSM and the super delegates in the smoke filled rooms made short work of her -Chicago style again) and he doesn't COMPREHEND the problems he has and is creating or exacerbating.

Good post. He has always relied on the kindness of strangers.

362 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:50am

re: #296 FloridaAnole

Wait till all those elderly liberals and apoliticals (who let the MSM and the AARP convince them that their FDR redux was going to give them more coverage than they have now,) find out that Obamacare has condemned them to Klingon Health Care (take two aspirins and Die Well!) The Draft Riots of 1862-1863 will be nothing to it.

LOL, um, I'm not all that worried about senior citizens rioting. I don't think Barry's gonna sit up nights concerned about it either.

Stupid people voted for Barry, and it's gonna come back to bite them in lots of ways. And I'm just not going to risk my hide to save them from their own stupidity. Sorry, but I've got children to protect.

363 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #283 subsailor68

Okay, just gotta post this:

"Yes, I voted for Obama. Why do you ask?"

And no, it's not a racial thing. More of a mindset thing.

That link just goes to a 911 story, nothing about Obama that I could find.

364 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #327 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's an angry woman with a basket of fish on her head.

365 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:13:17am

re: #327 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
I love that avatar! Looks like a dumpster full of fish sea kittens. Correct?

/:0

366 brookly red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:13:31am

re: #334 snowcrash

Obama waffled when the tanks rolled into Georgia last summer. McCain dominated on that crisis. Putin/Medvedev know what kind of politician they are dealing with.

/tanks sure do have a way of bringing clarity to a situation.

367 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:13:40am

re: #363 avanti

That link just goes to a 911 story, nothing about Obama that I could find.

I know. I was just kidding.

368 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:03am

OT...

Indonesia holds yoga festival despite Muslim fatwa

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Don't want to upset all that peaceful religion.

369 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #298 redc1c4

for one thing, he's not Jack Weiss.

we have friends & family who live in San Pedro, and the consensus is that in a world of BS'ers, he's a straight shooter.

besides that, the Brady gun control group doesn't like him.

I'm definitely not voting for Weiss. Leaning to Berger right now. Just went on Trutanich's website which is overproduced and annoying but I won't hold that against him.

Heard Weiss speak at a memorial for students killed in Israel. He gave a very moving speech if you weren't aware that he supported Obama and in effect his anti-Israel advisers like Robert Malley who was still in the fold at the time. I emailed Weiss about that. Never heard back, of course. I really detest Weiss.

370 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:19am

The story so far...Obama panders to the Russians, offering to stop work on a missile defense system, throwing our European friends under the bus, in the hope that the Russians can help us keep nukes from the Iranians, who still have their fists clenched. Russia, recognizing a pamby when they see one, said come back with a better offer and maybe we'll talk.

And I thought Obama's domestic policy was bad.

371 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:22am

If someone has bad intentions towards you and you propose some 'security system' to protect yourself from said aggressor, then you are in fact 'targeting' said aggressor to prevent him from fulfilling his desires. In Obama's mind and this politically correct day and age, that is probably not considered 'fair'.

I'm sure a head shrinker could interpret these remarks and translate into something similar (what do they say...the guilty flee when no one is chasing).


re: #340 LGoPs

How do you target somebody with a defense system?

372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:24am

re: #349 ggt

... what are we talking about now?

Hold your nose. Killgore has unlimbered his sock.

373 AuntAcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #329 albusteve

BO turns, shoots!...aiirrr baaalll

The "O" man dribbles while the shot clock runs out.

374 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:04am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

It's an angry woman with a basket of fish on her head.

If she's going into a bar, my joke will work.

375 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:17am

re: #343 debutaunt

A woman goes into a bar wearing a bucket of fish sea kittens on her head.

/tsk tsk

376 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:19am

Putin and Iran both tell Obama to pound sand. They have got to be loving this after 8 years of dealing with Pres. Bush, the uber-alpha.

377 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #363 avanti

That link just goes to a 911 story, nothing about Obama that I could find.

To bitch and call 911 over shit McNuggets it can only be a 44 voter.

378 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #273 redc1c4

Trutanich for City Atty please!


Hate to be a spoilsport, but it ain't gonna matter. Tony V has a lock on the City. Tru's election, or non-election won't matter, much. The Fish stinks from the head (Tony's, in this case).

379 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:30am

so when does China invade Taiwan, given their current economic problems and the fact they now have half their population out of work im thinking sometime around August

380 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:33am

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

Are you kidding? He's ridden his skin color all the way to the top.

With the MFM's endorsement. Read Goldberg's book, it's right on.

381 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:35am

In a related note... Sec. State Clinton says that opening up dialogue with Syria is a worthwhile effort. Yeah, so is watching paint dry. Watching paint dry is also more efficient use of time.

382 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:44am

re: #338 redc1c4

the fact that he was there.

Ah, so the only way a black person could enter Harvard is to get some sort of affirmative action. Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?

383 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:58am

re: #356 ggt

We've been dumbing down for some time now, haven't we? Idiocracy got it right.

384 SFGoth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:05am

re: #373 AuntAcid

The "O" man dribbles while the shot clock runs out.

Maybe he'll pull a Chris Webber!

385 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:10am

re: #354 AuntAcid

Now, back to Obama's domestic policy: Despair, envy, and hate.

Detroit seems to have the last aspect officially in place.

My hopes for Detroit's future faded as I watched the tape of last Tuesday's council meeting, the one that considered the Cobo Center expansion deal.

It was a tragic circus, a festival of ignorance that confirmed the No. 1 obstacle to Detroit's progress is the bargain basement leaders that city voters elect. The black nationalism that is now the dominant ideology of the council was on proud display, both at the table and in the audience.

Speakers advocating for the deal were taunted by the crowd and cut short by Council President Monica Conyers, who presided over the hearing like an angry bulldog; whites were advised by the citizens to, "Go home."

Opponents were allowed to rant and ramble on uninterrupted about "those people" who want to steal Detroit's assets and profit from the city's labors.

A pitiful Teamster official who practically crawled to the table on his knees expressing profuse respect for this disrespectful body was battered by both the crowd and the council.

When he dared suggest that an improved Cobo Center would create more good-paying jobs for union workers, Conyers reminded him, "Those workers look like you; they don't look like me."

Monica Conyers is the wife of hard left Democrat Congressmoron John Conyers...

386 gonecamping  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:17am

If only Obama's parents had implemented a 'missile defense shield' we would not be in this predicament.

387 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:20am

re: #355 The Other Les

The production of Soylent Green.

Solyent Green mini-sandwiches, covered in chocolate, with peanut butter in the middle.

/peanut butter from pca, in georgia

388 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #375 ggt

/tsk tsk

So much cuter!

389 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:32am

re: #373 AuntAcid

The "O" man dribbles while the shot clock runs out.

Next he will call a time out when he's out of time outs.

390 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #332 redc1c4

i'm in classes with them... utterly frightening.

My 16 year old grandson says the same thing, he's in a well known catholic high school. They are loud, obnoxious, and constantly in the white kids faces about how 'they won'.

391 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:58am

re: #361 Bloodnok

Good post. He has always relied on the kindness of strangers.

Carter came in the approval ratings as high as Obama's, then he experienced what is called "political decay." The loftier they are, the more they disappoint.

392 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #348 realwest

Yep. And all along his path through the kiddies pool, Obama actually thought he was walking on water.
But we've had other presidents who came into office with incredibly high, and with no basis in fact, opinions of themselves (see, e.g., John F. Kennedy) but at least they were CAPABLE of seeing just how ill prepared they were and how truly reckless their administrations plans were. With Obama I believe we are dealing with a true Narcissist. He's never been in a real FIGHT in his entire career (except against Hillary and the MSM and the super delegates in the smoke filled rooms made short work of her -Chicago style again) and he doesn't COMPREHEND the problems he has and is creating or exacerbating.

Just fills one with abounding confidence!
///

393 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:06am

re: #376 DistantThunder

Yes, that is exactly what they are doing.

394 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:15am
395 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #389 NJDhockeyfan

Next he will call a time out when he's out of time outs.

Technical!

396 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #358 debutaunt

re: #364 Killgore Trout

Thanks, deb! Going back and looking, I can see that now. Didn't make out the woman's face and hand on the first look-see.

397 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:33am

OT -

60 people get jobs today from stimulus $$

(only 3,999,940 jobs to go)

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Moving right along.

398 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:35am

re: #385 Athos

Prosperity Go Home!

399 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #382 avanti

Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?


Maybe if he released his transcripts we could answer that question.

400 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:42am

re: #355 The Other Les

The production of Soylent Green.

I missed that movie--got the abbreviated version from friends.

401 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:42am

re: #370 VioletTiger

The story so far...Obama panders to the Russians, offering to stop work on a missile defense system, throwing our European friends under the bus, in the hope that the Russians can help us keep nukes from the Iranians, who still have their fists clenched. Russia, recognizing a pamby when they see one, said come back with a better offer and maybe we'll talk.

And I thought Obama's domestic policy was bad.

Vlad is looking at his "metrosexual" adversary and laughing his evil ass off. He probably did not think highly of Bush either, but at least he knew Bush would pull the trigger if need be. Obama, on the other hand...please.

402 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:01am

re: #266 avanti

No, the Russians from a rogue mid east missile.

Oh, honey, that's the dumbest thing you've said here at LGF. Russia doesn't have to fear a "rogue mid east missile." Either does China.

Let me explain why...if Russia or China gets hit by a missile from any "rogue" state, that state will suffer massive, possibly fatal, retaliation. Everybody knows it, and nobody is that "rogue" that they want to engage in suicide by Russian/Chinese nukes.

Russia and China don't give a rat's ass about "international opinion" or "international law." I wish the US and Israel could learn at least that from them.

403 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:16am

re: #355 The Other Les

The production of Soylent Green.

Is that going to be in the US our outsourced to China?
"New, Improved! Now with more melamine!"

404 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #373 AuntAcid

The "O" man dribbles while the shot clock runs out.

he thought he was leading the score!

405 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #367 subsailor68

I know. I was just kidding.

Going for the blacks are stupid, thus blacks voted for Obama joke, classy.

406 Adrenalyn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:36am

re: #370 VioletTiger

The story so far...Obama panders to the Russians, offering to stop work on a missile defense system, throwing our European friends under the bus, in the hope that the Russians can help us keep nukes from the Iranians, who still have their fists clenched. Russia, recognizing a pamby when they see one, said come back with a better offer and maybe we'll talk.

And I thought Obama's domestic policy was bad.

Europe does not need or deserve missle defense
need...any fallout will drift right over to Russia
Putin is not stupid
deserve...need I really say ?

407 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:20am

re: #402 funky chicken

Oh, honey, that's the dumbest thing you've said here at LGF. Russia doesn't have to fear a "rogue mid east missile." Either does China.

Let me explain why...if Russia or China gets hit by a missile from any "rogue" state, that state will suffer massive, possibly fatal, retaliation. Everybody knows it, and nobody is that "rogue" that they want to engage in suicide by Russian/Chinese nukes.

Russia and China don't give a rat's ass about "international opinion" or "international law." I wish the US and Israel could learn at least that from them.

It's better to be feared than loved.

408 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:29am

re: #379 pegcity

so when does China invade Taiwan, given their current economic problems and the fact they now have half their population out of work im thinking sometime around August

Invading Taiwan wouldn't keep them occupied long enough...now, an invasion of eastern Russia, would certainly do the trick, and provide a lot more natural resources to exploit.

409 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:38am

re: #391 DistantThunder

Carter came in the approval ratings as high as Obama's, then he experienced what is called "political decay." The loftier they are, the more they disappoint.

I keep thinking to myself, "Just wait until those 18-21 year olds find out he was serious when he said Mandatory Volunteerism during college."

410 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #385 Athos

Monica Conyers is the wife of hard left Democrat Congressmoron John Conyers...

Such filthy racists.

411 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:53am

re: #372 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hold your nose. Killgore has unlimbered his sock.

hmmm .. .

412 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:04am

re: #382 avanti

You're making a generalization about college admissions programs and persons of color. Affirmative action in favor of persons of color has been a staple of that process for decades. Whether Obama directly benefited from affirmative action in college and law school can only be known if Obama authorizes release of all of his academic records, including his admissions records. So far, he's refused to do that. And like John Kerry, who has failed to release his military records despite repeatedly promises to do so, we must ask: what is he hiding?

413 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:19am

re: #405 avanti

Going for the blacks are stupid, thus blacks voted for Obama joke, classy.

OTOH, seeing how 95% of African-American voters voted for Obama, the odds are probably on his side.

414 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #381 lawhawk

In a related note... Sec. State Clinton says that opening up dialogue with Syria is a worthwhile effort. Yeah, so is watching paint dry. Watching paint dry is also more efficient use of time.

Depends on the dialogue - and what is backing the dialogue.

I doubt that the message or the will backing the dialogue will be what should be communicated to Syria. But that is what happens when the naive look at things as they want them to be as opposed to how they are. This will not change until the left realizes that our enemies will act upon their goals and interests.

415 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:35am

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

OT -

60 people get jobs today from stimulus $$

(only 3,999,940 jobs to go)

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Moving right along.

Yeah, and from the article:

He said the project will support 60 jobs. "And that's how we're going to get the country back on its feet," LaHood added.

Notice he used the word "support", not "create"?

Hmmm...me smell rat here.

416 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #403 Kosh's Shadow

Is that going to be in the US our outsourced to China?
"New, Improved! Now with more melamine!"

So, when you say, "I feel like eating Chinese for dinner", you won't be kidding!

417 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:54am

re: #327 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
I love that avatar! Looks like a dumpster full of fish. Correct?

It looked like an African woman carring a bowl of fish on her head to me.

418 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:15am
Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout. As in past years, black women turned out at a higher rate than black men.

Such a high percentage of black votes in Obama's favor was obviously because of his Harvard degree.

/

419 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #405 avanti

Going for the blacks are stupid, thus blacks voted for Obama joke, classy.

All 44 voters are stupid. Regardless of colour. Safe this and call it up in a few months/years time. ETR Said ALL 44 VOTERS ARE STUPID.

420 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:21am

re: #403 Kosh's Shadow

Is that going to be in the US our outsourced to China?
"New, Improved! Now with more melamine!"

Ug, I can't eat Chinese.

421 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:22am

re: #408 Leonidas Hoplite

why invade russia when you have all those crapistans sitting their, they can't hold out long against china with their goat powered artillery

422 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #287 JohnAdams

Somebody bring Joe Biden another Rob Roy and tell him he was right about the Major International Crisis thing.

Biden only drinks Shirley Temple's. I read that in his autobiography.

/ Smirking Drunk With Power

423 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:49am

re: #415 subsailor68

Yeah, and from the article:

He said the project will support 60 jobs. "And that's how we're going to get the country back on its feet," LaHood added.

Notice he used the word "support", not "create"?

Hmmm...me smell rat here.

I didn't know you spoke Native American.

424 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #382 avanti

Ah, so the only way a black person could enter Harvard is to get some sort of affirmative action. Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?

it's a fair assumption since he won't release any school records...he's a nit wit with a golden tongue split down the middle...a moron groomed to convince people to vote for him regardless of the fact he is a vacuous empty suit...who the hell could possibly vote for him?...only a drooler

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #417 turn

I didn't catch the woman's face the first time through.

426 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #369 HelloDare

I'm definitely not voting for Weiss. Leaning to Berger right now. Just went on Trutanich's website which is overproduced and annoying but I won't hold that against him.

Heard Weiss speak at a memorial for students killed in Israel. He gave a very moving speech if you weren't aware that he supported Obama and in effect his anti-Israel advisers like Robert Malley who was still in the fold at the time. I emailed Weiss about that. Never heard back, of course. I really detest Weiss.

he's my councilman... i've met Trutanich 3 times. my sense is that he knows how to get things done, which is what we need. is Berger the young guy?

427 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:00am
428 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:04am

re: #409 Bloodnok

I keep thinking to myself, "Just wait until those 18-21 year olds find out he was serious when he said Mandatory Volunteerism during college."

"Dude, if I knew I was gonna hafta, you know, like, work..."

429 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:17am

re: #416 Desert Dog

So, when you say, "I feel like eating Chinese for dinner", you won't be kidding!

That's soylent yellow.

430 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:28am

re: #422 NukeAtomrod

Biden only drinks Shirley Temple's. I read that in his autobiography.

/ Smirking Drunk With Power

Shirley Temples are good... and even better with some bourbon added in.

431 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:34am

re: #394 buzzsawmonkey

Does a recommendation of this sort carry immense weight with admissions offices, regardless of the applicant's objective record? Yes.

Do I recall that Obama, though exalted to the position of editor of the Harvard Law Review, never wrote anything at all for it--a very, very unusual occurrence? Yes.

How did he graduate with honors if he was such a weak candidate for admission ? BTW, you do know he won election of the Harvard law review by appealing to the conservatives as a moderate on racial issues. ?

432 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:56am

re: #321 markx

All those overweight TSA wand-wavers are the Zero’s followers. Better watch yourself...

It got ugly.

433 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:02am

re: #419 Erik The Red

All 44 voters are stupid. Regardless of colour. Safe this and call it up in a few months/years time. ETR Said ALL 44 VOTERS ARE STUPID.


SAVE

PIMF

434 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:14am

re: #402 funky chicken

I've been saying for a long time that we need to look across the Pacific more and more--to Japan, China, Korea. They are for the most part all about business, and do not suffer from the disease of Cultural Relativism inflicting the West, nor the disease of...everything...afflicting the mid-East.

435 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #315 realwest

You are once again correct. But that's why I've been harping on Obama's being waay over his head here. He doesn't know foreign affairs. He KNOWS Chicago style politics. That's it. And Chicago style politics, matched with his socialist/communist ideals are not going over well with the world. The world (which never hated us as much as candidate Obama said they did) NEEDS a strong US. A militarily strong US and especially an economically strong US and Obama is leading us in the wrong damn direction in both areas. He is such a narcissist and has surrounded himself with such sycophants who have settled their IRS problems of long standing, that he just doesn't understand or comprehend that the World is in a state of shock at seeing that the Emperor of the United States has no clothes.

He doesn't care...true narcissist.

436 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:40am

re: #403 Kosh's Shadow

Is that going to be in the US our outsourced to China?
"New, Improved! Now with more melamine!"

Mmmm... Melamine...

437 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:44am

re: #382 avanti

Ah, so the only way a black person could enter Harvard is to get some sort of affirmative action. Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?

If he deserved to be there, regardless of skin colour, wouldn't he have made his academic records public - of which he ought to have been proud?
Wouldn't he have published some scholarly article while being editor of Harvard Law Review?

There's nothing at all to show that he got into Harvard on merit.
Merit leaves a paper trail
PB0 has left none.

438 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #431 avanti

BTW, you do know he won election of the Harvard law review by appealing to the conservatives as a moderate on racial issues. ?

So he was a liar back then.

Q.E.D.

439 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:03am

re: #431 avanti

How did he graduate with honors if he was such a weak candidate for admission ? BTW, you do know he won election of the Harvard law review by appealing to the conservatives as a moderate on racial issues. ?

Is this before or after he attended Wright's church?

So he was lying...

440 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:05am

re: #428 Ward Cleaver

"Dude, if I knew I was gonna hafta, you know, like, work..."

You're welcome in my head, but mind the point. :)

441 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:07am

re: #402 funky chicken

It's simpler than that: Russia has no fear of Iranian missiles because Russia sells the Iranians all the weapons they want and besides Russia is neither America nor Israel.

442 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #382 avanti

Ah, so the only way a black person could enter Harvard is to get some sort of affirmative action. Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?

since he proves time and again that he's an intellectual lightweight, only a fellow lightweight would believe otherwise.

but thanks for playing the race card.

443 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:17am

re: #405 avanti

Going for the blacks are stupid, thus blacks voted for Obama joke, classy.

Well, I guess you might as well down-ding me. After all, we don't want to ever be perceived as simply having a laugh do we?

444 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #336 Kosh's Shadow

I thought it was "Take two blows to the head with a batleth and die well."
Only wimps take pain killers. Real Klingons kill others when they're in pain.
And the only good way to die is in battle!

Oh, there'll be a battle, never fear. You have rarely seen anything so fearsome as and elderly liberal battleaxe - here's hoping they'll sink their weapons into the nearest Dem ward heeler, or there'll be a riot at the next Dem convention.

445 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:25:25am

re: #432 Maximu§

It got ugly.

I was behind a soldierette when they made her throw out an unopened bottled of water. What a bunch of tools! That time my brother actually made it through the metal detector with his NRA pocket knife in his pocket.

446 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:25:28am

We know that Percy Sutton wrote a letter of recommendation for Obama to Harvard Law School at the request of Khalid Al-Mansour, an adviser to a Saudi Prince.

447 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:25:33am

re: #437 yma o hyd

Merit leaves a paper trail

That's classic.

448 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:25:51am

re: #422 NukeAtomrod

Biden only drinks Shirley Temple's. I read that in his autobiography.

It's so sad that he can't blame his cluelessness on being a drunken pinhead.

449 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:15am

And they said Sarah Palin was stupid when she claimed you can see Russia from Alaska...

450 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #348 realwest

The only thing O appears capable of is taking advantage of a crisis to get an agenda through (and he had to have Rahm teach him that trick).

451 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:39am

Timely anagram for Obama discussion -

Acorn Leader --> Lo, a race nerd

Obama "discovered" his race when he came to the mainland.

He is and was a "race nerd" and exploits his race to the hilt. More than any southern white running a country club admissions committee ever has.

452 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #426 redc1c4

he's my councilman... i've met Trutanich 3 times. my sense is that he knows how to get things done, which is what we need. is Berger the young guy?

No. Berger is the guy with an English accent. Walter Moore endorses him. Trutanich is listed on the ballot as an Environmental Attorney, which doesn't necessarily mean he's bad, but I don't like what he says about green causes on his website. Sounds too strident to me.

453 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:03am

So an Obama administration is double dealing on both Durban 2 but also "OUR" missile shield. Gee what a surprise.

454 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:13am

The market is down 1176.72 since inauguration day.

The One speaks on the market...

"The stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics,''

The market may be many things but it's not a damn tracking poll. It's primarly an indicator of what business people think the future of is in this country.

The future is bleak. And the president is up a creek without a clue, canoe or paddle.

455 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #412 quickjustice

You're making a generalization about college admissions programs and persons of color. Affirmative action in favor of persons of color has been a staple of that process for decades. Whether Obama directly benefited from affirmative action in college and law school can only be known if Obama authorizes release of all of his academic records, including his admissions records. So far, he's refused to do that. And like John Kerry, who has failed to release his military records despite repeatedly promises to do so, we must ask: what is he hiding?

Mr DT did college recruiting at the Ivy's for Apple in the 90's. When he finally found the one black candidate he was thrilled. But this candidate had abysmal grades, and confided that he was in way over his head. Mr. DT was very disappointed but he could not in good conscience hire a lemon.

456 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:18am

re: #449 Kenneth

And they said Sarah Palin was stupid when she claimed you can see Russia from Alaska...

You meant to put a '/' after that, didn't you?

457 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:19am

re: #8 Occasional Reader

[re-posting]

Gosh, so instantly showing your cards to the other guy at the table ISN'T a good strategy in poker? Man, the things we're learning!

-Team Obama

The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Roman Emperor, AD 161-180

458 ggt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:28am

Have to go again.

Have a great afternoon all!

459 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:34am

re: #382 avanti

You just reassured my premise.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

460 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #449 Kenneth

And they said Sarah Palin was stupid when she claimed you can see Russia from Alaska...

EEEhhhEEE! Don't get me started! So many people "just know" it was her and not Tina Fey that said that.

/Sorry. Raw nerve there.

461 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:03am

re: #443 subsailor68

Well, I guess you might as well down-ding me. After all, we don't want to ever be perceived as simply having a laugh do we?


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Fuck Him

462 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:26am

re: #454 jcm

The market is down 1176.72 since inauguration day.

The One speaks on the market...

The market may be many things but it's not a damn tracking poll. It's primarly an indicator of what business people think the future of is in this country.

The future is bleak. And the president is up a creek without a clue, canoe or paddle.

He's such a tool.

463 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:29am

Obama's plan...

In addition to the 'corporate state', Obama's other main policy towards employment is the creation of jobs through public works. The production of roads, dams etc. is intended to destroy unemployment and diminish opposition to Obama's other policies. With stable jobs most American would be unlikely to question the administration and may have increased their enthusiasm for initiatives. While the public works lasts, these jobs for many American should be viewed as a success. However, the works will not carry on indefinitely and the money spent on the schemes may be more effective if invested in developing industry or correcting the have's-have nots divide.

Opps, it should read like this...

In addition to the 'corporate state', Mussolini's other main policy towards employment was the creation of jobs through public works. The production of roads, dams etc. was intended to destroy unemployment and diminish opposition to Mussolini's other policies. With stable jobs most Italians would be unlikely to question the regime and may have increased their enthusiasm for initiatives. While the public works lasted these provided jobs for many Italians and should be viewed as a success. However, the works could not carry on indefinitely and the money spent on the schemes may have been more effective if invested in developing industry or correcting the North-south divide.

My bad.

[Link: www.mattmayer.com...]

464 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:30am

re: #453 Nevergiveup

So an Obama administration is double dealing on both Durban 2 but also "OUR" missile shield. Gee what a surprise.

It's all about appeasement...that simple diplomatic tool that fails 99% of the time.

465 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #437 yma o hyd

If he deserved to be there, regardless of skin colour, wouldn't he have made his academic records public - of which he ought to have been proud?
Wouldn't he have published some scholarly article while being editor of Harvard Law Review?

There's nothing at all to show that he got into Harvard on merit.
Merit leaves a paper trail
PB0 has left none.

Obama is leaving a trail, but I would rather not say what it is on an open forum, but it rhymes "Kit"

466 AuntAcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:05am

re: #385 Athos

My first thought was a snarky "will the last person still walking upright turn out the lights", but really, to what end?
Devolution has reached the PONR.

467 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:13am

re: #454 jcm

... the president is up a creek without a clue, canoe or paddle.

And being played like a trout.

468 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #461 Erik The Red

Well, he collects Studebakers, so he's not all bad.

469 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #461 Erik The Red

Hi Erik! Thanks for that. I guess I just need to keep things in perspective. I certainly didn't mean to offend him, but there you have it.

470 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:48am

It's like a car crash, where you don't want to look but just can't help yourself: Dow off 12.42 at 6750.87. Still haven't found the bottom.

471 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:54am

Back to work Comrades...~chugs down bootleg Vodka~

Spasiba.

472 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:29am

re: #431 avanti
[Link: www.theobamafile.com...]

"On February 6th, 1990, Obama became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.

He manages to serve as president of the Harvard Law Review without ever publishing a SINGLE piece of signed, written work -- not one!

Update: Politico claims that an unsigned -- and previously unattributed -- 1990 article was produced by Obama and offers a glimpse at hi's views on abortion policy and the law during his student days, and provides a rare addition to his body of work.

The six-page summary, tucked into the third volume of the year's Harvard Law Review, considers the charged, if peripheral, question of whether fetuses should be able to file lawsuits against their mothers. Obama's answer: No.

I sent Politico an email asking how they knew the document was produced by Obama, since it is "unsigned -- and previously unattributed." They never responded.

Obama’s timing, however, was better than his writing. In the same spring 1990 term that he would stand for the presidency, the Harvard Law School found itself embroiled in an explosive racial brouhaha.

Black firebrand law professor Derrick Bell was demanding that the Harvard Law School appoint a black woman to the law faculty.

This protest would culminate in vigils and protests by the racially sensitive student body, in the course of which Obama would compare the increasingly absurd Bell to Rosa Parks.

Feeling the pressure, HLR editors wanted to elect their first African American president. Obama had an advantage. Spared the legacy of slavery and segregation, and having grown up in a white household, he lacked the hard edge of many of his black colleagues.

"Obama cast himself as an eager listener," the New York Times reported, "sometimes giving warring classmates the impression that he agreed with all of them at once."

In February 1990, after an ideologically charged all day affair, Obama’s fellow editors elected him president from among 19 candidates. As it happened, Obama prevailed only after the HLR’s small conservative faction threw him its support.

Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

Curiously, once elected, Obama contributed not one signed word to the HLR or any other law journal. As Matthew Franck has pointed out in National Review Online, "A search of the HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to Obama in any law review anywhere at any time. "After his appointment, the NY Times carried a story in February 1990, which included a few quotes from Obama:

"The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress," Mr. Obama said today in an interview. "It's encouraging." "But it's important that stories like mine aren't used to say that everything is O.K. for blacks. You have to remember that for every one of me, there are hundreds or thousands of black students with at least equal talent who don't get a chance," he said, alluding to poverty or growing up in a drug environment...

On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said: "I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I'm fairly opinionated about this. But as president of the law review, I have a limited role as only first among equals." Therefore, Mr. Obama said, he would concentrate on making the review a "forum for debate," bringing in new writers and pushing for livelier, more accessible writing."

473 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:29am

re: #456 ilzito guacamolito

You meant to put a '/' after that, didn't you?

Yeah, after all, it was Tina Fey as Palin, not Palin, that said that.

474 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #470 joncelli

It's like a car crash, where you don't want to look but just can't help yourself: Dow off 12.42 at 6750.87. Still haven't found the bottom.

Well, zero is a long way away, give it a little time.

475 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #394 buzzsawmonkey

Don't confuse him with the facts buzz.
/

476 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:29am

re: #471 Maximu§

Ne za chto.

/Got enough for an old comrade?

477 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:30am

re: #468 Ward Cleaver

Well, he collects Studebakers, so he's not all bad.

yes it is...any red blooded American would be collecting Super Sports

478 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:31am

re: #454 jcm

The market is down 1176.72 since inauguration day.

The One speaks on the market...


The market may be many things but it's not a damn tracking poll. It's primarly an indicator of what business people think the future of is in this country.

The future is bleak. And the president is up a creek without a clue, canoe or paddle.

Exactly. Its a measurement of confidence in the economy. Based on the actions of the new administration, there is absolutely no confidence in a turnaround or end of the current recession. In fact, where there is confidence is in the deepening and lengthening of the recession.

The Obama Economy

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

479 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #434 JohnAdams

I've been saying for a long time that we need to look across the Pacific more and more--to Japan, China, Korea. They are for the most part all about business, and do not suffer from the disease of Cultural Relativism inflicting the West, nor the disease of...everything...afflicting the mid-East.

They just have racial arrogance to deal with. Japan, China, Korea all deal with the USA, but deep down, you know they think they are all better than the Americans...

480 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:32:14am

Regan 2012

481 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:32:28am

re: #468 Ward Cleaver

Well, he collects Studebakers, so he's not all bad.

He doesn't post and run, I like that.

482 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #472 quickjustice

None of that will matter.

483 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:33:06am

re: #452 HelloDare

No. Berger is the guy with an English accent. Walter Moore endorses him. Trutanich is listed on the ballot as an Environmental Attorney, which doesn't necessarily mean he's bad, but I don't like what he says about green causes on his website. Sounds too strident to me.

that's ok: Weiss sent out a mailer claiming he spent most of his time defending polluters.

as i said, we know people who've known him for years down in Pedro, and they all say the same thing: he's a straight shooter and a regular guy.

he also smokes cigars.

484 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:00am

re: #480 IslandLibertarian

Regan 2012

Regan?

485 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:25am

re: #479 Desert Dog

They just have racial arrogance to deal with. Japan, China, Korea all deal with the USA, but deep down, you know they think they are all better than the Americans...

True, but I think they do respect us.

486 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:38am
487 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:40am

re: #484 Ward Cleaver

Regan?

Maybe he meant Goneril or Cordelia?

;-)

488 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #381 lawhawk

In a related note... Sec. State Clinton says that opening up dialogue with Syria is a worthwhile effort. Yeah, so is watching paint dry. Watching paint dry is also more efficient use of time.


What's crazy is that she should know better. Bill got nowhere with Syria. She seems to be willing to sacrifice support for Israel for some imaginary agreement with the Syrians. Sheesh

489 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #425 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't catch the woman's face the first time through.

I know, I had to stare at the thing for a little bit too. It was confusing to my eyes. I didn't know KT had a sockpuppet.

490 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #472 quickjustice

You know - that was a very thorough evisceration of an ongoing and much spoken lie about Obama's merits that is designed to cover over the true nature of Obama's ascendancy - racial politics.

Too bad that Obamatons have been trained to ignore all facts to the contrary and declare such expository writing as racist.

My, what "progress" we have made.

"Progressives" are just reactionaries that suffer from easily exploited racial guilt.

Free the world - free people - free markets. That is what a true liberal and progressive seeks.

491 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #472 quickjustice

Empty suit back then, just like now. He is a facade with a nice speaking voice that can use a teleprompter like no other. You know, they called Reagan stupid and GWB a moron. I would put anything Reagan wrote up against Obama. Ronnie would win that contest, hands down.

492 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:52am

re: #481 Rancher
He is totally a shill for the O. Probably an astroturfer. Saw more of them during the campaign.

493 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:07am

re: #437 yma o hyd

I have been published by law journals, and the editorial boards will produce comments on a regular basis. That goes especially for the prestigious ones - like Harvard. For Obama to avoid having a single attributed comment is a most curious occurrence. What was he doing on the HLR if not doing what other editors had done before or since?

I have seen that one unsigned comment is attributed to him, but that's about it. Oh, and for the 50-60 hours claimed that he spent on HLR related work, it meant missing quite a bit of class.

494 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:13am

re: #487 subsailor68

Maybe he meant Goneril or Cordelia?

;-)

I got the reference. I got the reference! Pays to read your Shakespeare.

495 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:40am

re: #430 MrSilverDragon

Shirley Temples are good... and even better with some bourbon added in.

OK I have to ask - what is a Shirley Temple called if you "fortify" it?

496 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #478 Athos

Stock quote:

The market has notably plunged since Mr. Obama introduced his budget last week, and that should be no surprise. The document was a declaration of hostility toward capitalists across the economy. Health-care stocks have dived on fears of new government mandates and price controls. Private lenders to students have been told they're no longer wanted. Anyone who uses carbon energy has been warned to expect a huge tax increase from cap and trade. And every risk-taker and investor now knows that another tax increase will slam the economy in 2011, unless Mr. Obama lets Speaker Nancy Pelosi impose one even earlier.

497 Kragar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:14am

re: #495 Chicago Blonde

OK I have to ask - what is a Shirley Temple called if you "fortify" it?

A Liza Minelli

498 FloridaAnole  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:14am

re: #360 Piglet-U93

I am having trouble with the imagery of 70 year old liberals rioting over (Klingon Health Care) in slippers and microprocessor-IV's while watching CNN through TV eyewear.

Come to Florida and change the image -- the 70 year olds wear shorts or blue jeans with tee shirts and athletic shoes and can outrace the 30 and 40 somethings into the supermarket without even picking up their stride. Also they've all had lasix or cataract surgery and can outsee most of the 20 somethings. If BHO tells them they can't get their new knee or or heart valve, believe me, all hell will break loose.

499 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:31am

re: #486 buzzsawmonkey

"Appealing to the conservatives as a moderate on racial issues," translated into English, means merely avoiding the "off the pigs" language which was the normal currency of racial discussion in colleges for two decades, and talking, in an accent that is not "ghetto," about the need for "reconciliation." Obama has always been good at this kind of scam, and it is lapped up by guilty whites eager to be granted racial absolution by any black person handy.

As far as the answer to "how did he graduate with honors if...?", I don't know; I haven't seen any records of his time at Harvard. Nobody has, nor likely will. Interesting, no?

I will tell you that schools like Harvard have a commitment to anyone they accept; if they decide you are "worthy" enough to get in, they will go to practically any lengths to prop you up--unlike lower-tier schools which will accept people without such high hurdles, and eliminate the deadwood through grades. Basically, if you get into one of the top ten or twenty schools, unless you are caught at high noon selling crank on the quad (and maybe not even then) you are guaranteed not only a degree with a decent GPA, but some damned nice job recommendations when you leave.

This protect-our-privileged attitude obtains all the more for "minority" students, because schools like Harvard wanted, and indeed want, to show that they are doing their part for the "disadvantaged." I do not know if Obama skated through, and received honors, on the basis of skin tone and glib talk--but it is more than possible. That is how schools like Harvard work. He may have actually earned his honors, but equally he may have been given them on other grounds for doing merely adequate work. That, my friend, is the rot of affirmative action, in both its aspects--the fact that this is often done, and the fact that you can, in consequence, never know whether you are getting someone who got his laurels legitimately or not.

Damn buzz you are on a roll tonight :)

500 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:35am

re: #495 Chicago Blonde

OK I have to ask - what is a Shirley Temple called if you "fortify" it?

a Don't Call Me Shirley Temple

501 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #477 albusteve

yes it is...any red blooded American would be collecting Super Sports

But the supercharged stuff was pretty cool.

502 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #495 Chicago Blonde

OK I have to ask - what is a Shirley Temple called if you "fortify" it?

Jail Bait

503 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:54am

re: #461 Erik The Red

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Fuck Him

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

504 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:05am

OC Navy Adm. Elazar Marom apologized to IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi for attending a Tel Aviv strip club, Channel 2 reported Tuesday.

Marom said he regretted his actions, admitting that they were incompatible with the values he was expected to display.

Channel 2 said that Ashkenazi reprimanded Marom, but that he would not receive a punishment.

Gee if they threw every American Sailor or Marine who ever went to a strip joint in the brig, then all we could man was a row boat?

505 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:06am

re: #495 Chicago Blonde

OK I have to ask - what is a Shirley Temple called if you "fortify" it?


A drink!

506 joncelli  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:16am

re: #495 Chicago Blonde

A Marilyn Chambers?

507 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #497 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL! Thanks!

508 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #497 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A Liza Minelli

click here

509 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #476 joncelli

Ne za chto.

/Got enough for an old comrade?

~hiccup~

Of course Comrade , this is a fresh batch from my state run potato farm. I am also selling dirty pictures of my wife and daughter to buy bread and petrol for this week.

Spasiba!

/s

510 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:54am

re: #249 avanti
Obama's father attended Harvard ? You mean the guy who left Obama to go off to more muslim lands, that father?

511 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

Who is that?

512 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:39:23am

re: #491 Desert Dog

Empty suit back then, just like now. He is a facade with a nice speaking voice that can use a teleprompter like no other. You know, they called Reagan stupid and GWB a moron. I would put anything Reagan wrote up against Obama. Ronnie would win that contest, hands down.

I agree with ya! Here's just one quote from Mr. Reagan:

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

Kinda supports your thesis, doesn't it?

;-)

513 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:39:46am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

OC Navy Adm. Elazar Marom apologized to IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi for attending a Tel Aviv strip club, Channel 2 reported Tuesday.

Marom said he regretted his actions, admitting that they were incompatible with the values he was expected to display.

Channel 2 said that Ashkenazi reprimanded Marom, but that he would not receive a punishment.

Gee if they threw every American Sailor or Marine who ever went to a strip joint in the brig, then all we could man was a row boat?


/That's the reason I never joined the Israeli Navy.

514 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:15am

re: #477 albusteve

yes it is...any red blooded American would be collecting Super Sports

I collect the first real muscle cars, the supercharged 1963-64 Studebaker Larks/Hawks and Avantis.

515 Perplexed  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:30am

Haggling isn't effective when the guy you're haggling with knows that all you have is an empty sack to back you up.

516 turn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:35am

re: #461 Erik The Red

I've never downdinged the quy but I'm going to have to reconsider that. Man, the guy appears to be in love with O and he just ain't going to let any darn facts get in the way with that.

517 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:44am

re: #483 redc1c4

that's ok: Weiss sent out a mailer claiming he spent most of his time defending polluters.

as i said, we know people who've known him for years down in Pedro, and they all say the same thing: he's a straight shooter and a regular guy.

he also smokes cigars.

and the reason the Brady people don't like him? he does lots of NRA w*rk...

518 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

Eighty percent from one guy. First off, how do you come up with that figure since you can't get any stats like that from the system?

And really, I've seen all sort of Lizards down dinging you when you get stuck on stupid.

And if you are so sure of your positions and opinions, why would you even give a fuck about some user inspired rating system?

519 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:49am

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

Who and how can a single Lizard cause you so much bad karma?

520 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #501 Ward Cleaver

But the supercharged stuff was pretty cool.

okay...I know nothing about Avantis


but this is a beast I can relate to...
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521 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

PC running amuck.

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:07am

re: #489 turn

I know, I had to stare at the thing for a little bit too. It was confusing to my eyes. I didn't know KT had a sockpuppet.

*grin*
First time I saw it, I was (momentarily) aghast that some fool would, or could, pick such a blatantly hostile nic.

523 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:33am

re: #502 Walter L. Newton

Jail Bait

winner...easily

524 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #519 Erik The Red

Who and how can a single Lizard cause you so much bad karma?

I hope it's me.

525 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:35am

re: #456 ilzito guacamolito

You meant to put a '/' after that, didn't you?

Until at least 2012, you can assume almost everything I write about US politics comes freighted with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

526 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:36am

I see a movie,
The Roosky Horror Picture Show.

Mostly because I see 0bama singing
"It's beyond me. Help me mommy."

And the rest of us singing
"We've got to get out of this trap, before this socialism saps our wills.
I've got to be strong, and try to hang on, or my mind may well snap
And my life will be lived on the dole..."

At work now, but I have to think about this. It would make a nice parody, if somewhat black humor.

527 Rancher  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #480 IslandLibertarian

Regan 2012

Rush 2112

528 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:42:02am

re: #505 Golem Akbar

re: #506 joncelli

Got a bunch of answers for that huh? So many people here are funnier than the Hollywood weirdoes.

529 Buck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:42:41am

re: #92 brookly red

my computers not broken?

Days not over yet.

530 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:42:43am

re: #503 avanti

Yes, however that may be, Buzz has posted some quality retort.

531 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:14am

re: #405 avanti

You're rather obtuse, Avanti. The joke Subsailor68 was going for had nothing to do with race, and everything to do with entitlement.

532 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

Didn't Former Colorado Governor Bill Owens (R) - get T-rex, Denver's major successful road improvement project, completed on time and under-budget?

Now basic road re-surfacing is supposed to be a big deal?

533 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #508 Desert Dog

click here

Dog, I think that thing is going to get worn out during this administration.

534 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #484 Ward Cleaver

Regan?

Reagan Dunn! His mom was Jennifer Dunn, he is named for the Gipper!

535 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:44am

re: #514 avanti

I collect the first real muscle cars, the supercharged 1963-64 Studebaker Larks/Hawks and Avantis.

redefining the muscle car...interesting

536 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:45am

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

That's fair. I don't use down-dings unless someone is advocating violence, or the post is so inflammatory that it brings dishonor to LGF. If I don't agree with your opinion, I simply accept that. If I do, I'll upding it. You don't have to worry about me wrecking your karma.

537 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:03am

re: #534 jcm

Reagan Dunn! His mom was Jennifer Dunn, he is named for the Gipper!

That link brought up the ginormous lizard with a "page not found" sign.

/Still an upgrade...

538 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:01am

re: #449 Kenneth

btw, you know there's another one -- which all of a sudden the media (CNN in particular) is suddenly gone all silent about -- (as I laugh) -- remember when George W Bush gave a speech, and in the speech he mentioned that America was addicted to oil? Remember that one? and how the media howled -- for days they went on and on and on, asking questions about "How can the United States be addicted to oil," etc. Now, whenever The Zero uses precisely that phrase -- when Obama yammers on and on about "Amerikkka's addiction to oil," it goes over without notice.

539 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:09am

re: #460 Chicago Blonde

I know, I know. I might have been too vague, but my point, was that the msm jumped on Palin as being stupid for saying an essentially correct*, if meaningless, fact about geography. Now along comes Obama who repeatedly gets punked by Russia in the very meaningful world of geopolitics.

*Palin said "You know, there's land in Alaska where you can see part of Russia from...". Tina Fey expanded that into a gag about Palin saying she can see Russia from her front porch.

540 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:26am

re: #510 realwest

Obama's father attended Harvard ? You mean the guy who left Obama to go off to more muslim lands, that father?

Yep:

At the age of 23, Obama Sr. enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, leaving behind a pregnant Kezia and their infant son. He had turned away from Islam and become an atheist by the time he moved to the United States.[4] On 2 February 1961, Obama Sr. married fellow student Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii though she would not find out that her new husband was already married until much later. Obama Sr.'s and Dunham's son, Barack Obama II, was born on August 4, 1961. Dunham left school to care for the baby, while Obama Sr. completed his degree. He graduated from the University of Hawaii in June 1962 (and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, leaving shortly thereafter to travel to Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he would begin graduate study at Harvard University in the fall. Later that summer, Dunham and the year-old baby Barack stopped to visit her friends in Mercer Island, Washington, the Seattle suburb where she had grown up,before joining Obama Sr. in Cambridge. However, mother and son soon returned to Seattle, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. Dunham, missing her family, then moved back to Hawaii and filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964. Obama Sr. did not contest, and the divorce was granted. He visited his son only once, in 1971, when Barack was 10 years old.
While at Harvard, Obama Sr. met an American-born teacher named Ruth Nidesand. She followed him to Kenya when he returned there after he received a master's degree in economics from Harvard in 1965. Nidesand eventually became his third wife and had two children with him before they divorced.

541 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:47am

re: #537 Chicago Blonde

That link brought up the ginormous lizard with a "page not found" sign.

/Still an upgrade...

Reagan Dunn.

Fixed...

542 Sifty  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:48:22am

Little yappy dogs rarely get respect.

543 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #520 albusteve

okay...I know nothing about Avantis

but this is a beast I can relate to...
[Link: media.motortopia.com...]

I know nuthin about studebakers, but here's something about 'Avanti' which seems fitting;


544 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

you get down dinged because A: you post st00pid shit. and B: when you get called on it, you post more st00pid shit trying to weasel your way out instead of admitting that you're wrong.

545 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:49:22am

re: #539 Kenneth


Oh I knew what you meant, I was just grumbling because so many people think Palin did say that. It's even more ironic that Fey wrote "Mean Girls" and then spent so much time trashing Sarah, but that's another gripe.

/But thanks to the magic of the MSM...

546 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #382 avanti

Ah, so the only way a black person could enter Harvard is to get some sort of affirmative action. Is it just not possible that he deserved to be there regardless of skin color ?

Whether or not he or she deserves to be admitted, the very fact that such a program as affirmative action exists means that all applicants will be compelled to defend themselves against such an accusation, for their entire lives.

547 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #535 albusteve

redefining the muscle car...interesting

Yea, we started the redefinition a few years back at the Pure Stock Muscle car drags with cars like this.

548 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #543 yma o hyd

I know nuthin about studebakers, but here's something about 'Avanti' which seems fitting;

[Video]

nice snag...hahaha!

549 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:51:55am

re: #541 jcm

Thank you.

He helped to design and implement the V.I.P.S. Program (Volunteers in Police Service) and led the Bush administration’s efforts to expand the National Neighborhood Watch Program to include the fight against terrorism. Reagan also participated in the investigation and prosecution of Zacharias Moussaoui in the Eastern District of Virginia, commonly referred to as the 20th Hijacker.

That's promising.

550 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #544 redc1c4

you get down dinged because A: you post st00pid shit. and B: when you get called on it, you post more st00pid shit trying to weasel your way out instead of admitting that you're wrong.

I don't care about the down dings, other then the one guy that back dings all my posts, no matter the content.

551 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:52:34am

re: #525 Kenneth

Until at least 2012, you can assume almost everything I write about US politics comes freighted with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

Duly noted.

552 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #550 avanti

I don't care about the down dings, other then the one guy that back dings all my posts, no matter the content.

Ok so who is that?

553 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #550 avanti

I don't care about the down dings, other then the one guy that back dings all my posts, no matter the content.

Interesting, you still haven't named that person or provided the proof to substaniate the claim. Instead you just whinge.

554 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #549 Chicago Blonde

Thank you.

That's promising.

He's one to keep an eye on. He's a few years out, WA gov. first then in the '24 maybe...

555 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:41am
556 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:54:19am

re: #547 avanti

Yea, we started the redefinition a few years back at the Pure Stock Muscle car drags with cars like this.

Correct link

557 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:54:59am

re: #552 Nevergiveup

Ok so who is that?

taxfreekiller

558 Chicago Blonde  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:07am

BBIAB guys.

559 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #540 avanti

Yep:

At the age of 23, Obama Sr. enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, leaving behind a pregnant Kezia and their infant son. He had turned away from Islam and become an atheist by the time he moved to the United States.[4] On 2 February 1961, Obama Sr. married fellow student Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii though she would not find out that her new husband was already married until much later. Obama Sr.'s and Dunham's son, Barack Obama II, was born on August 4, 1961. Dunham left school to care for the baby, while Obama Sr. completed his degree. He graduated from the University of Hawaii in June 1962 (and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, leaving shortly thereafter to travel to Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he would begin graduate study at Harvard University in the fall. Later that summer, Dunham and the year-old baby Barack stopped to visit her friends in Mercer Island, Washington, the Seattle suburb where she had grown up,before joining Obama Sr. in Cambridge. However, mother and son soon returned to Seattle, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. Dunham, missing her family, then moved back to Hawaii and filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964. Obama Sr. did not contest, and the divorce was granted. He visited his son only once, in 1971, when Barack was 10 years old.
While at Harvard, Obama Sr. met an American-born teacher named Ruth Nidesand. She followed him to Kenya when he returned there after he received a master's degree in economics from Harvard in 1965. Nidesand eventually became his third wife and had two children with him before they divorced.

How can you get a divorce if you were never really legally married?

560 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:33am

re: #542 Sifty

Little yappy dogs rarely get respect.

We have a 5 lb yappy bitch who just gets left alone by the other dogs.
Except for the other female who is 10x her size and wants to kill her.
We have to keep them apart. The males just let her yap.
But this is different from international politics.

561 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:33am

re: #553 Athos

Interesting, you still haven't named that person or provided the proof to substaniate the claim. Instead you just whinge.

Avanti is stuck on stupid, and scared to mention it.

562 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:50am

re: #547 avanti

Yea, we started the redefinition a few years back at the Pure Stock Muscle car drags with cars like this.

page not found...why am I not surprised you would take an old American iconic tradition and redefine it to fit your behind the curve/loser mentality?...Avanti has nothing to do with muscle cars...it's not your reality

563 kafir lover  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:03am

re: #518 Walter L. Newton

Eighty percent from one guy. First off, how do you come up with that figure since you can't get any stats like that from the system?

80% of all statistics are made up ;-)

564 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

Avanti is stuck on stupid, and scared to mention it.

He just said it is taxfreekiller? We'll see?

565 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #493 lawhawk

Thanks for the link... one rather bland essay in the HLR. That's it?

A moonbat relative responded to my point that Obama had little or no experience or achievements by excitedly exclaiming "But he was the first black man to be editor of the Harvard Law Review!"

"Oh wow" I said, "You mean he worked on his college newspaper?"

She didn't get the sarcasm. Obama wrote one article. But I suppose he ran off the mimeographs and picked up the copies from the binders, so that too is something, right?

566 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:49am

re: #543 yma o hyd

I know nuthin about studebakers, but here's something about 'Avanti' which seems fitting;


Avanti means forward in Italian.

567 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:58:13am

re: #557 avanti

taxfreekiller

Dum, dum, dum... (orchestra)... good for him. You deserve to have someone cleaning up all your stupid.

Maybe when you actually start to debate honestly here, you will be seen as having some validity.

Until then, ding, ding, ding...

568 Salem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:24am

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

You have hit the nail on the head. Any worldwide event that seems to make America weaker, it just another piece of the puzzle what Obama needs to divide and conquer the capitalist system.

Study all the great dictators. They all use similar tactics to build their foundations.

People react best to change when they are poor. when you take away all the comfort, support, toys, fun, when daily tasks remind you of how bad off you are.

That's when a government can make changes that they would normally never try, never get away with, never even consider.

And we can't stop it. Why? Because, like any situation like this, a handful of citizens that see through it all is not a large enough group to overcome the people who just want change, want it fixed now and have no concern how it gets fixed.

This has been a very careful revolution, and most of us missed it.

I am beginning to sincerely doubt that such a strategy will meet with any success. I think we may be on the way to seeing for the first time a whole world ignoring an American president as they go about their business. I think we may even see his own supporters counting the days until he's out of office while trying to get his stink off of them.

569 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #565 Kenneth

i worked on my college newspaper big whoop

570 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:12am

re: #559 ilzito guacamolito
All a man has to say is I divorce you 3 times and the deed is done. / lol

571 Salem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:40am

Of course he will still have done some serious damage in the meantime.

572 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:51am

re: #550 avanti

I don't care about the down dings, other then the one guy that back dings all my posts, no matter the content.

thanks for making my point for me.

573 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:02:30am

re: #568 Salem

I am beginning to sincerely doubt that such a strategy will meet with any success. I think we may be on the way to seeing for the first time a whole world ignoring an American president as they go about their business. I think we may even see his own supporters counting the days until he's out of office while trying to get his stink off of them.

This would be a good time to ignore Obama, if they don't want to go down with him.

574 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:17am

re: #566 avanti

Yep, that was actually known to me.

And amazingly enough, I also understand most of the other words in that song.

But then I did do some Latin in school ...

575 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #567 Walter L. Newton

Dum, dum, dum... (orchestra)... good for him. You deserve to have someone cleaning up all your stupid.

Maybe when you actually start to debate honestly here, you will be seen as having some validity.

Until then, ding, ding, ding...

Fine, join him and down ding every post if you like, I'll still only use mine for the occasional out of line comment, not a just a difference of opinion.

576 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:51am

I know I'm taking off from Athos's#454 somewhat here, but

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.
The Democrats who now run Washington don't want to hear this, because they benefit from blaming all bad economic news on President Bush. And Mr. Obama has inherited an unusual recession deepened by credit problems, both of which will take time to climb out of. But it's also true that the economy has fallen far enough, and long enough, that much of the excess that led to recession is being worked off. Already 15 months old, the current recession will soon match the average length -- and average job loss -- of the last three postwar downturns. What goes down will come up -- unless destructive policies interfere with the sources of potential recovery.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]
And that interference with the sources of potential recovery will, I submit, create greater consternation throughout the World than Obama ever would have guessed upon.
It's bad enough - Lord knows - that Obama is taking us down, but he really is taking the world down with us economically.

577 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #540 avanti

So after getting a free education paid for by the US taxpayer, and discovering he was "punished with a baby", he fucked off back to Kenya, got a comfortable gov't job and wrote about the wonders of socialism, never giving his ex-wife so much as one dime to support his son.

The cycle of abandonment and estrangement is a recurring theme in Barry Obama's life. First his father, then a few years later, his step-father dumped his mom. Then his mom left him with her parents in Hawaii when she went abroad to work. Obama found a series a older angry father figures to fill that void: Frank Marshall Davis, Jeremiah Wright, & Bill Ayers. All of them older men with a grudge against the system. You can hear the voice of that wounded child in Obama's speeches, the neediness to be loved, the blame projected on the "bad" med who ruined everything.

Barry's childhood is a text-book case of how to produce a narcissistic personality.

578 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:05:41am

re: #569 pegcity

i worked on my college newspaper big whoop

Well there you go... with experience like that, you should be president!

579 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:39am

re: #575 avanti

Fine, join him and down ding every post if you like, I'll still only use mine for the occasional out of line comment, not a just a difference of opinion.

Well, thank you for your permission. And since you are such an expert statistic collector, you already know that I don't make much of a habit of even responding to your posts anymore, what more waste my time down dinging you.

I'm a firm believer that a stupid person will always, in the end, find enough rope to hang themselves.

I just like to hang around to give the chair a little nudge occasionally.

580 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #574 yma o hyd

Yep, that was actually known to me.

And amazingly enough, I also understand most of the other words in that song.

But then I did do some Latin in school ...

I just saw the Avanti at the beginning, and the Soviet thing, have no idea what the Italian connection was.

581 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:07:02am

re: #555 buzzsawmonkey
Sigh. You are absolutely correct buzz. There WAS a time when CCNY was one of the finest institutions of higher learning in the country.
Now, well let's just say that you can learn more at most decent JUNIOR colleges.

582 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #559 ilzito guacamolito I was wondering the same thing. Maybe an anullment instead since the marriage wasn't valid? Who knows.

583 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:07:13am

re: #570 snowcrash

All a man has to say is I divorce you 3 times and the deed is done. / lol

And clicking you ruby red slippers together as well.

584 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:15am

re: #577 Kenneth

yup Barry needs to be loved, he just kept expanding the amount of people he needed to be loved by, and then it got absurd.

he did not run for president of the united states for love of country or duty, he ran because he needs that reinforcement that he is not unwanted.

Thank you 51% of America electing a man who should have been a contestant on American idol instead of POTUS

585 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:21am

Well it's been interesting as usual but I gotta go eat some lunch and what not! Hope you all have a GREAT Day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

586 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:43am

re: #579 Walter L. Newton


I just like to hang around to give the chair a little nudge occasionally.


Cool, the chair needs a nudge now and then, keeps me awake.

587 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:51am
588 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:03am

anyone else here really miss Dubya

589 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:44am

re: #588 pegcity

anyone else here really miss Dubya

Just about every damn day.

590 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #498 FloridaAnole

Come to Florida and change the image -- the 70 year olds wear shorts or blue jeans with tee shirts and athletic shoes and can outrace the 30 and 40 somethings into the supermarket without even picking up their stride. Also they've all had lasix or cataract surgery and can outsee most of the 20 somethings. If BHO tells them they can't get their new knee or or heart valve, believe me, all hell will break loose.

FL went for Barry O, and it wasn't the rednecks in the panhandle or the military folks who gave it to him...those old farts will just have to lie in the beds that they made for themselves.

The rich ones will just go outside of their approved networks to get quality health care. Boo F'n Hoo that they will actually have to pay something for it instead of just soaking the taxpayer.

So, nope, no support for them once the medical services rationing begins.

591 Salem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:12:34am

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

This would be a good time to ignore Obama, if they don't want to go down with him.

That would certainly be my advice but I don't expect them to be that shrewd.

You know, I think this is basically what would have happened if Kerry had been elected, except that we surely would have suffered a humiliating retreat from Iraq. Hell, we'd probably have imperial Japan and Nazi Germany back by now. Well, okay, maybe that's a stretch...

592 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:12:36am
593 Roses  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:13:28am

The leaders of Russia and iran do not see the golden robes and lovely garments that the media sees. They see a naked man.

They see a junior Senator, with a spotty attendance and voting record, who has been given much of what he has, and has cheated on the rest. They see a man who hates his country.

They see with very clear eyes.

They are tough, smart and ruthless, and they laugh as they rub their hands in anticipation of the golden bejeweled opportunities he will give them.

We better hope that we do have James Bond types in clandestine operations who will jump out of the bushes and defend us. Because he will sell us down the river.

594 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:13:54am

Time to get some Studebaker work done, later folks.

595 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:16:07am

re: #593 Roses

im pretty sure they all got the axe with Obama part one AKA clintoon.

im sure they are all working as consultants now.

596 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:17:42am

re: #576 realwest

I'm reminded about, during the Vietnam War, Peter Arnett fabricated a quote attributed to an American military official that a Vietnamese village had to be destroyed in order to save it. When one looks at what this Administration is trying to do, that they are actively looking to destroy capitalism in order to save / remake it into a 'fair' system.

Despite the documentation and reviews that FDR's New Deal extended and deepened the Great Depression, this Administration seems locked into not only following the same path, but hedging their bets on the previous failure by increasing the size and control of government far beyond that FDR was able to achieve. It's as if those in the WH looked back and decided that FDR wasn't as successful because he didn't go far enough...and they do not intend to make that same mistake.

We joked throughout much of last year that an Obama victory might provide competition to Carter's standing as the worst President of the last 150 years. Unfortunately, this is coming to pass - and in less than 2 months in office.

We are looking at an epic fail - one that does have a global reach and impact.

I don't think we know or can see the full ramifications or know if we put the evil genie back into the bottle even in 2010 or 2012.

597 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:18:26am

Russian-Iranian trade is approximately valued at 2.2 billion USD and growing. It is estimated that this will double in the coming years. Russia also serves as a nuclear contractor for Iran in the form of the Russian monopoly, Atomstroyexport. Additionally, Russia is a growing arms exporter to Iran and is soon to sign oil and gas agreements with Iran which will increase trade between the two countries.

In 2008, United States exports to Russia was 9.3 billion USD. Russian imports to the United States was 27.8 billion USD:

Imports from Russia were predominantly natural resource goods, with more than 60% consisting of petroleum oils. Other leading imports from Russia included platinum, aluminum, ammonia and mineral or chemical fertilizers.

The balance of trade in this case is in Russia's favor.

Medeved comments regarding missile defense was made during a meeting in Spain with Zapatero in which the two countries signed a massive oil and gas agreement. The United States is dependent on Russian and Iran oil exports while at the same time refusing to establish domestic oil and gas production. The current Secretary of Interior, Senator Ken Salazar, was instrumental in effectively shutting down gas exploration in the State of Colorado along with Governor Ritter. Effectively, the United States is currently establishing an anti oil and gas exploration and recovery policy with the help of the president and Ken Salazar.

Thus, we find that the United States is dependent on Russia and Iran. Our dependency on Russian exports in the form of natural resources and materials as noted above. This will only grow in the coming years with the "Green" policies being pushed by the Obama administration.

Clearly, Russia has the upper hand and can only benefit from its relationship with Iran. At the same time, we are dependent on both Russian and Iranian exports most notably in petroleum products. Adding to this is the Russian-Spain energy agreement effectively tying agreements with Venezuela and South America. Clearly Russia now holds an advantage on many fronts.

598 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #597 Gus 802

What the Soviet Union lacked in the Cold War to fully fight the West was the economic conditions and wealth to fully fund the fight. Putin saw this. His efforts and goals are based around establishing the economic base and materials outside of ideology in order to fund the fight to restore Russia to superpower status. He is assisted in this by the irresponsible policies and actions of the current Administration which are naive and ideologically driven.

599 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:23:31am

re: #596 Athos

malaise redux

i can't imagine living in the US right now, id want to throttle 51% of the population for voting in this commie agitator.

600 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #588 pegcity

anyone else here really miss Dubya

No way. Obama is basically W II from what I can see. W was all about the bailouts, and was so damn bad as CIC that even Joe Biden (google Biden December 2004) looked like some kind of military sage. One of the last things the W admin did was to return command/control over Iraqi airspace to Iraq...Jan, 2009. They are not ready. It set the stage for Karzai to demand control over everything our forces do in Afghanistan.

W thought it was essential that he run huge deficits ... and all the while he pushed through massive increases in foreign aid to African hellholes and worthless domestic spending. That means he saddled my children with debt so he could feel good about his concern for the global poor.

He set the stage for Obama. No, I don't want him back.

The religious right/Limbaugh folks defeated McCain in 2000 in the GOP primaries, and they had a huge hand in defeating him again in 2008.

No, I don't want W back.

601 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:26:19am

re: #598 Athos

What the Soviet Union lacked in the Cold War to fully fight the West was the economic conditions and wealth to fully fund the fight. Putin saw this. His efforts and goals are based around establishing the economic base and materials outside of ideology in order to fund the fight to restore Russia to superpower status. He is assisted in this by the irresponsible policies and actions of the current Administration which are naive and ideologically driven.

Exactly, and if I were to look for a summary, your fits perfectly.

602 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #597 Gus 802


Medeved comments regarding missile defense was made during a meeting in Spain with Zapatero in which the two countries signed a massive oil and gas agreement. The United States is dependent on Russian and Iran oil exports while at the same time refusing to establish domestic oil and gas production. The current Secretary of Interior, Senator Ken Salazar, was instrumental in effectively shutting down gas exploration in the State of Colorado along with Governor Ritter. Effectively, the United States is currently establishing an anti oil and gas exploration and recovery policy with the help of the president and Ken Salazar.

Thus, we find that the United States is dependent on Russia and Iran. Our dependency on Russian exports in the form of natural resources and materials as noted above. This will only grow in the coming years with the "Green" policies being pushed by the Obama administration.

Clearly, Russia has the upper hand and can only benefit from its relationship with Iran. At the same time, we are dependent on both Russian and Iranian exports most notably in petroleum products. Adding to this is the Russian-Spain energy agreement effectively tying agreements with Venezuela and South America. Clearly Russia now holds an advantage on many fronts.

Yep

And the GOP had the WH and control of congress from 2002 to 2006 but couldn't tear itself away from passing porkfest after porkfest long enough to make the case to the American people that reliance on foreign oil is stupid. Perhaps Bush couldn't do it because of his (way too) close relationship with the Saudis...whatever the reason, it's just another massive failure to put right on GWB's doorstep.

If Bush had at least worked on trying to make this case to the American people for a few years, voters might have noticed that McCain/Palin were on the ball on this issue.

603 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #598 Athos

What the Soviet Union lacked in the Cold War to fully fight the West was the economic conditions and wealth to fully fund the fight. Putin saw this. His efforts and goals are based around establishing the economic base and materials outside of ideology in order to fund the fight to restore Russia to superpower status. He is assisted in this by the irresponsible policies and actions of the current Administration which are naive and ideologically driven.

And the last one which were just idiotic.

604 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #587 ploome hineni

you still around?

between patients

605 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:32:19am

Obama denies floating any 'quid pro quo' with Russia over junking missile defense shield in exchange for Russia's help in stopping Iran from building nuclear weapons.

Obama: Letter to Moscow Addressed Missile Shield, Did Not Offer Trade-Off

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

No chance we'll get to see the letter...

606 pegcity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:33:59am

re: #605 notutopia

obama denying something, so does that mean he did it.

i can't get all these double negatives with this adminstration.

kids you better learn to lie or you won't ever become president.

607 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:36:36am

re: #602 funky chicken

Great points most particularly regarding our "relationship" with the Saudis. It makes you wonder were our minds were at since the first rumblings in the form of the Arab Oil Embargo and how we effectively have been asleep at the wheel. I would say that we should look to the future and act on these insufficiencies however the outlook is that we are going to be effectively delayed with the current administration at the helm which only promotes unrealistic and utopian ideas.

608 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:36:40am

re: #596 Athos

Thats my take on PB0 and his staff exactly: they want to out-do FDR.

609 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #597 Gus 802

Trade with Russia is a two way street. While the US is dependent upon Russia for the commodities imported from them, Russia is dependent upon the US for the money paid for these commodities. So far, so good.

But the point where the Russian-US interests part is while the US prefers stability which ensures steady, low prices, Russia prefers instability which tend to drive up oil & gas prices.

610 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:38:33am
611 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:40:35am

re: #609 Kenneth

Trade with Russia is a two way street. While the US is dependent upon Russia for the commodities imported from them, Russia is dependent upon the US for the money paid for these commodities. So far, so good.

But the point where the Russian-US interests part is while the US prefers stability which ensures steady, low prices, Russia prefers instability which tend to drive up oil & gas prices.

Excellent point. The instability also disrupts and weakens the US - so there is another benefit beyond higher prices.

612 Nadnerb  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:43:25am

Obama is a yellow cupcake.

613 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #611 Athos

The Russians are also poised to capitalize on the instability the economic crisis is producing in Eastern Europe. Several Eastern European banks and gov't will collapse in the next few months, leading to civil unrest, riots and violence. Russia will re-assert her influence in her former subject states. Given Obama's weak posture, the people may well opt for Russian protection over American indifference.

614 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:54:14am

re: #606 pegcity

obama denying something, so does that mean he did it.

i can't get all these double negatives with this adminstration.

kids you better learn to lie or you won't ever become president.

It's the new definition of Transparency in government.

615 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #609 Kenneth

Right. I'm thinking more on the future outlook. While we refuse to increase our production, Russia has been extremely proactive in expanding their trade while we sit on our hands and expand government spending and debt. They also have a geographic and cultural advantage. However, their recent extortionist tactics with gas should leave the Europeans with a lot to be desired -- one would think.

616 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:00:23pm

OT
Michelle Obama was just on CNN (it was a live broadcast)...And, she kept saying "I-ran"...So, will CNN now be digging up that resident antisemite, Amanpour to give the "corrections" with respect to pronunciation (as CNN did with George W Bush)? Eh, c'mon, when's that arrogant, speech correction Amanpour going to be on, eh, eh, eh? give a little lecturin' to that Ms Obama on the proper pronunciation of Iraq and Iran?

617 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:03:05pm
618 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:03:21pm
619 Athos  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:03:42pm

re: #613 Kenneth

It also has the potential to 'break' the EU - If Eastern Europe goes down, it may take the EU with it.

Stratfor (sub required) - also had a take on this leading to expanded European xenophobia -

While anecdotal evidence points to a rise in incidents throughout Europe in the last few months, the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights points to a significant increase in racist and xenophobic violence and crimes from 2000-2006 across Europe, but particularly in Denmark (a 70.9 percent increase), Slovakia (a 45.1 percent increase), Scotland (a 27.3 percent increase), France (a 27.1 percent increase) and Ireland (a 21.2 percent increase). However, collecting data for Europe is difficult since the reporting of racially motivated or xenophobia-inspired incidents varies with the law enforcement organizations on the continent; most EU member states in fact do not report or have very limited capacity to report such crimes. Furthermore, police in many Central European countries often underreport anti-Roma attacks, as is the case with racially motivated attacks in Russia.

Regardless of the scarcity of data, STRATFOR can forecast with some certainty that as the economic recession worsens, tensions between native populations and immigrants in Europe will come to the forefront of what is likely to be a restive summer. This is by no means a novel or modern phenomenon. Europe’s geography and the concept of the modern nation-state both lead to a certain logic of violence against minorities that may have been tempered by the taboo of the Holocaust immediately after World War II but is now coming out in the open. Anti-immigrant sentiment is no longer just for fringe right-wing youth groups; it forms the ideological underpinning and electoral platform of some of the most successful parties in some of Europe’s most advanced economies (Switzerland and Austria being cases in point).

620 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:05:55pm

Time to fire up my gasoline powered vehicle, purchase some tobacco products and get back to work.

621 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #618 Gus 802

Ukraine Government On The Verge Of Collapsing

re: #619 Athos

It also has the potential to 'break' the EU - If Eastern Europe goes down, it may take the EU with it.

Stratfor (sub required) - also had a take on this leading to expanded European xenophobia -

Economists are predicting that in the next few weeks several east European countries will default (Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine) which will in turn take down several European banks in Austria, Germany and Switzerland which are highly exposed to east European debt. These countries do not have a long history of peaceful public life or respect for law. Strikes, riots and ethnic pogroms may break out. So far the governments of Iceland & Latvia have fallen. More will come. Germany is in a terrible position, but they still don't acknowledge it, which will make it even worse. Like Wile E Coyote, the Germans have run off the edge of the cliff but they still think they can run back onto the ledge before they plummet. The collapse of the euro will be the bolder that hits them at the bottom of the canyon.

Russia will then swoop down and pick up the pieces. Obama will make a speech.

622 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:22:10pm

So far, the score is two Commerce Sec'y appointees, 4 tax-tardy appointees, untold billions trillions of tax dollars, and now 2 rebuffs of the "hey, let's patch things up" charm offensive - and we're not even halfway through 100 day honeymoon.

At least the Obamas' entertaining schedule is giving battered D.C. social scene a much needed stimulus.

623 Roses  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:27:34pm

Rise up and STOP this man!

624 Empire1  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:36:07pm

re: #503 avanti

You know, I don't normally mind that I have one big time enemy that down dings my every post, but please don't use my Karma as a argument against my opinions, when 80% of the down dings are from one guy.

Upding, since I don't believe Karma should be used against (or for, matter of fact) anyone's opinions. The opinions themselves, as stated, should be taken on their own merits.

625 Empire1  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:41:54pm

re: #514 avanti

I collect the first real muscle cars, the supercharged 1963-64 Studebaker Larks/Hawks and Avantis.

Um, do you have any of the old bullet-nosed Studies with chewing-gum drive? I have very fond memories of a dark blue one from not long after I got my first driver's license.

626 Obsidiandog  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:58:19pm

Don't these people realize who Obama is? What he represents?

//

This administration is being run by naive, rank amateurs.

627 Viking6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:58:44pm

Well Comrades, I mean Fellow Travelers, ur I mean LGF'ers, it is a good thing that most here enjoy vodka, borscht and black bread because that is the standard meal under the new Masters...

/off but not by much.

628 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 1:01:19pm

#437 yma o hyd

There's nothing at all to show that he got into Harvard on merit.
Merit leaves a paper trail
PB0 has left none
.

I'm late to the party here, but when I saw your comment upthread I wondered why in the world this wasn't a HUGE red flag to the media, to Americans, to everyone. He didn't leave a paper trail in his few short days in the senate, either.

This is great stuff for a suspense novel, but not what I want in the WH.

629 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 1:12:48pm

re: #625 Empire1

Um, do you have any of the old bullet-nosed Studies with chewing-gum drive? I have very fond memories of a dark blue one from not long after I got my first driver's license.

I call them "pencil sharpeners". here's one.

630 MJBrutus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 1:41:53pm

Does the "world community" like us yet?

631 Billy Hank  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 2:06:20pm

re: #249 avanti

Making lots of assumptions there since we have little idea of O's grades or extracurricular activities at either Occidental or Columbia. Perhaps you've got better information. Can you point me to some transcripts? Thanks.

632 maximus kreyzlkil  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 2:20:26pm

Regarding Russia: Why we should pray that we don't have a thermonuclear detonation on american soil from ANY source.

A massive decapitating first strike on Russia along with whoever else is targeted in such a contingency. And right away too.

633 Realtalk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 2:28:13pm

re: #56 realwest

Obama is "stupid" huh? Somehow I suspect you wouldnt gain entry even to the waiting list at Harvard. Take it easy big boy.

This douche's melodrama aside, perhaps this was a mistep by Obama. We'll see. Most of you need to relax. The sky has not fallen, negotiations are still taking place.

634 Realtalk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 2:31:30pm

re: #631 Billy Hank

Listen scumbag, Obama did not get into Harvard because of Affirmative Action, and any of you bringing up the mans RACE here, for any reason, are absolute human trash.

635 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 2:33:13pm

re: #631 Billy Hank

Making lots of assumptions there since we have little idea of O's grades or extracurricular activities at either Occidental or Columbia. Perhaps you've got better information. Can you point me to some transcripts? Thanks.

The only thing I've seen grade related is graduating magna cum laude from Harvard.

636 roark wannabe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:13:28pm

If I lived in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Georgia, or Belarus I'd be very very worried right now. Putin is not going to let this 'crisis' go without taking the most advantage of it. Freedom is in danger for those new Democracies.

637 Realtalk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #635 avanti

That idiot probably doesnt even know what magna cum laude means. Dont waste your breath.

638 CapeCoddah  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:41:49pm

How did a KOS kiddie get in?

639 jcm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:45:25pm

re: #638 CapeCoddah

How did a KOS kiddie get in?

I came back to give it whack but it self immolated before I could.

640 Gitarzan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #550 avanti

I don't care about the down dings, other then the one guy that back dings all my posts, no matter the content.

If you don't care about getting down-dinged, even if one person seems to down-ding every post you make (as you claim), why in the hell do you care and why are you bitching about it? You could be petty and down-ding them back or you could just put them on GAZE and not worry about it...

/me thinks doth protests too much

641 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 4:58:45pm

re: #633 Realtalk
Well aren't you special?
FYI - I did graduate from an Ivy League Law School; I taught law at one of the top 20 Graduate Schools in the country; I did in fact graduate Magna Cum Laude,
I've had four "Scholarly" Articles published, and I served my country as a combat infantryman during the Vietnam War.
What is it again that makes YOU so special? Hmmm?

642 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 5:06:52pm

re: #641 realwest
Real, that foul little Obot was banned by Charles before his 4th comment!


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 Frank says:

Meanwhile at the Fornebu duty free shop -- Phrase used between songs during the march 1988 concert in Skedsmohallen, near Oslo, Norway. Fornebu is the Oslo airport.