President Obama and Economics 101

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President Obama says he’s looking at the big picture, not sweating the small stuff.

The stock market is story of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day-to-day,“ Obama said. ”And if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong.“

Another way to get your long-term strategy wrong is by being clueless and confused about simple economic theory. For example, by garbling the definition of the P/E ratio.

What you’re now seeing is a profit and earnings ratios get to the point that buying stocks is a good thing if you have a long-term perspective on it,” he said to reporters after meeting in the Oval Office with visiting British Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Shouldn’t a President of the US know that “P/E Ratio” means “price-to-earnings ratio,” not “profit and earnings ratio?” There is a difference.

Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis.

(Hat tip: Manifest Destiny.)

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1270 comments
1 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:34:09pm

I can haz munny?

2 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:34:55pm

P/E is just a tool of the man to keep me down.

3 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:35:08pm

Gulp.

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:05pm

Well, he is a Harvard Educated Lawyer.

/gah

5 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:07pm

Go on .. another trillion .. i'm not hurting yet .. cmon .. that might affect my POUND / EURO ratio.

6 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:12pm

Whatever. I'm collecting and bartering with bottle caps now, anyway.

7 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:17pm

I'll buy when the Dow reaches 2500, if there's anything left to buy and any money to buy with.

8 Loren42  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:35pm

Dingleberry.

9 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:36:48pm

Reposted from the previous thread, because it works so well here, too:

gmsc's money tips #14:

Tip #7 dealt with capitalism as a philosophy. In this entry, I'm returning to that theme, but with a focus on optimism vs. pessimism.

That first philosophy tip included the Capitalism Tour. The basic philsosophies discussed there are expounded much further in Francisco d'Anconia's "Money Speech" from Atlas Shrugged. Despite this passage first being written in the 1950s, it captures the essence of what's happening in Washington today quite well.

Of course, many argue against capitalism by saying that socialism is preferable. It may seem complex to argue against socialism but Coyote Blog has an excellent 60-second refutation of socialism that was done at the beach!

Coyote Blog, as a matter of fact, has plenty of excellent posts on common misconceptions of capitalism. While you should explore the blog as a whole to find these great tidbits for yourself, I'd like to point to several excellent posts as starting points, including In Praise of "Robber Barons", Wealth Creation and the Zero-Sum Fallacy and A Zero-Sum Wealth Quiz.

The father of what you might call optimistic economics would have to be Julian Simon. Julian Simon is noted for his works The Ultimate Resource and The Ultimate Resource 2, which get their name from his belief that people are the ultimate resource, and their brainpower means that economics can never be zero-sum as long as people are free to think and create.

Julian Simon made a famous bet with noted economic doomsayer Paul Erlich in 1980. In it, they each agreed to certain amounts of certain selected comodities that totaled $10,000 on the day the bet was made.

Julian Simon bet that, in 10 years' time, the value of these selection would be lower due to improved technology. Paul Erlich bet that, due to increasing population and greater demand, those commodities would be scarcer, and the price would be higher.

If the total price was higher, Simon would have to send Erlich the difference. If the total price was lower, Erlich would have to pay Simon the difference. The result? In October 1990, Paul Erlich settled the bet by sending Julian Simon a check for $576.07.

You can learn more about the man and his intriguing economic views in the videos of the PRC Forum's interview with Julian Simon (The interview is available in 6 parts on YouTube, and this link will automatically play one after the other in order).

10 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:37:08pm

Plot the DOW from Sep 08 to now and tell me again about the "It bobs up and down day-to-day" think again.

Basically he is a fucking idiot.

11 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:37:09pm

Are you kidding me? Did any one look perplexed? Correct him? Send him a text on the blackberry and say "umm...no"?

12 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:37:21pm

Obama isn't prepared for the job, and there's no time to learn.

13 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:37:21pm

Just like Iran is a tiny little country? What an ass.

14 DeathtotheSwiss  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:37:31pm

The media is STILL blaming Bush for all this. It's a wonder Obama can open his mouth without citing this "mess" he "inherited" from the evil Bush.

15 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:38:00pm

Wow, stock advice from a president. From the guy that bought some land from Tony Rezko and worked for ACORN.

Listen up folks! Obama the financial wizard has spoken!

//

16 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:38:22pm

Lizardim -

President Obama + Economics = OXY - MORON! Discussion?

-S-

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:38:23pm
Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis.

We'd hear jokes about it for 4-8 years. And then some, because Bush was a stupid republican, and this is 0bama. He's like the male Mary Poppins, you know. Practically perfect in every way. *puke*

18 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:38:34pm

In other news the "President/Embarrassment" ratio is going through the roof.

19 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:38:52pm

He has the support of 50 million Henrietta Hugheses

A nation of fools gove


50 million Henrietta Hughes put this idiot in office

20 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:39:07pm

Anyone who blames Bush at this point hasn't been paying attention.

21 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:39:23pm

re: #16 Dr. Shalit

Lizardim -

President Obama + Economics = OXY - MORON! Discussion?

-S-

The square root of Obama equals Carter.

Thus you get two Carters for the price of one.

//

22 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:39:25pm

re: #7 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'll buy when the Dow reaches 2500, if there's anything left to buy and any money to buy with.

A couple of years ago they ran a stockmarket competition that was rapidly quashed. It was a couple of experts .. a fortune teller .. a dartboard .. and an orangutan. It turns out that by week 24 of a 26 week competition, the monkey was making 83.7% on his money .. the dartboard scored 38% and all the experts were travelling about evens.

In future competitions they eliminated the monkey.

23 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #14 DeathtotheSwiss

The media is STILL blaming Bush for all this. It's a wonder Obama can open his mouth without citing this "mess" he "inherited" from the evil Bush.

Oh you didn't read the article:

He said he is "absolutely confident" that those things will happen. But the president also said it will take time fore the mistakes of the past to work their way through the system.

24 sonofsheldon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:39:53pm
Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis.


If I understand the current state of the Media correctly, it's only a blunder if Bush says it. Anything Obama says is, by definition, the undisputed truth.

25 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:40:04pm

And this is the man trying to instill confidence in the economy. Pray for us all.

26 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:40:20pm

re: #11 ArmyWife

Are you kidding me? Did any one look perplexed? Correct him? Send him a text on the blackberry and say "umm...no"?

The only way you'd know is if a Black Mariah was seen speeding away and somebody doesn't show up to work tomorrow.

27 summergurl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:40:28pm

re: #11 ArmyWife

Are you kidding me? Did any one look perplexed? Correct him? Send him a text on the blackberry and say "umm...no"?

Someone give him the website number of a Business 101 site.

//

28 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:40:42pm
Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis.

Imagine the number of times a paraphrase of the above will be used in the following years:

"Imagine if George Bush had said that."

29 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:40:50pm

re: #25 BlueCanuck

And this is the man trying to instill confidence in the economy. Pray for us all.

The market will slide another 200 points tomorrow because of this gaffe.

30 Syrah  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:41:02pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

We'd hear jokes about it for 4-8 years. And then some, because Bush was a stupid republican, and this is 0bama. He's like the male Mary Poppins, you know. Practically perfect in every way. *puke*

Obama is Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
/

31 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:41:09pm

What is the square root of Zero?

32 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:41:09pm

I am glad I am poor but I do feel bad for my friends here who actually have investments and own property and such. Hang in there...things HAVE to get better.

33 Drained Brain  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:41:18pm

You can't expect somebody who doesn't favor our evil capitalist system to bother getting bogged down in the petty details of what he views as sordid transactions.

34 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:41:51pm

Bet nobody claims to be his economics professor....

35 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:01pm

Capital On Strike

In the three months since the election, the broadest measure of the stock market's value, the Wilshire 5000 Index, has plunged more than 30%, slicing over $3 trillion from Americans' wealth. Investors have walked away from investing, while businesses shut down factories and offices and slash jobs.

This is both highly significant and dangerous. Capital, bluntly put, has gone on strike. Those who own wealth are pushing it to the sidelines, as a young and inexperienced president tries to jam through the most sweeping economic changes in over 70 years.

The prospect of these changes becoming law has already radically altered our nation's economy. Entrepreneurs and CEOs who once created new products, new services, jobs and trillions in wealth for America's workers and retirees now find themselves vilified and punished for their success.

ABC News reported this week that many upper-income taxpayers already are planning to cut back on work and investments to stay under $250,000 in income — the point where Obama's punitive taxes kick in. No one wins from this, yet Obama seems oblivious.

/as usual, IBD nails it, will Obama be too proud and stubborn, at the nation's expense, to back off his ill timed, [expletive deleted] up, harmful agenda?

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:05pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

We'd hear jokes about it for 4-8 years. And then some, because Bush was a stupid republican, and this is 0bama. He's like the male Mary Poppins, you know. Practically perfect in every way. *puke*

There didn't even need to be an economic crisis, or any crisis for that matter, for Leftoids and the FMSM to ridicule and castigate Bush for every perceived lapse of intelligence. It has been an 8 year long "joke".

37 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:17pm
Shouldn’t a President of the US know that “P/E Ratio” means “price-to-earnings ratio,” not “profit and earnings ratio?” There is a difference.

They just didn't cover that at Community Organizer Academy, okay?

And shut up, you racist!

38 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:20pm

He's a goon. He's a moron .. and he's in the top job.

Followed by a goon .. a loudmouth and a hairpiece as VP.

God help us all.

39 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:56pm

Yes he should know the difference, however I'm getting a bad feeling that we are focusing in the wrong place. We need Harry's and Nancy's face on this stimulus, not O's. Anything else doesn't make sense for 2010.

40 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:42:59pm

re: #32 UberInfidel67

I am glad I am poor but I do feel bad for my friends here who actually have investments and own property and such. Hang in there...things HAVE to get better.

no they don't...he has votes...he has mojo and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it...the public can only complain

41 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:03pm

re: #10 Harry Tuttle

Plot the DOW from Sep 08 to now and tell me again about the "It bobs up and down day-to-day" think again.

Basically he is a fucking idiot.

Actually, I think that is fucking lying idiot.

42 KitchenQueen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:14pm

re: #31 Shug

What is the square root of Zero?

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me

43 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:20pm

Let's email him this website number:

[Link: www.diesel-ebooks.com...]

44 Steffan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:28pm

Heh.

Obama lied; the economy died!

I am trying to capture the spirit of bipartisanship as practiced by the Democratic Party over the last eight years.

Thus, I have chosen as my lead, the proposition: Obama lied; the economy died. Obviously, I am borrowing this from the Democratic Party theme of 2003-08: "Bush lied, people died." There are, of course, two differences between the two slogans.

Most importantly, I chose to separate the two clauses with a semicolon rather than a comma because the rule of grammar is that a semicolon rather than a comma) should be used between closely related independent clauses not conjoined with a coordinating conjunction. In the age of Barack Obama, there is little more important than maintaining the integrity of our language - against the onslaught of Orwellian language abuse that is already a babbling brook, and will soon be a cataract of verbal deception.

The other difference is that George W. Bush didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He was merely mistaken. Whereas President Obama told a whopper last week when he claimed he was not for bigger government. As he said Tuesday night: "As soon as I took office, I asked this Congress to send me a recovery plan by President's Day that would put people back to work and put money in their pockets. Not because I believe in bigger government - I don't."

Go read the whole thing -- it's a keeper.

45 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:29pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader
LOL @ Community Organizer Academy. lol lol lolThat could be his answer to every question asked of him. lol lol

46 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:43:30pm

re: #12 godfrey

Obama isn't prepared for the job, and there's no time to learn.

We have a jumbo jet with bad engines, and a pilot who has a couple of orientation flights in a Cessna. And he thinks airplanes fly because gravity doesn't work; he doesn't understand aerodynamics or how aircraft work.

Get in crash position! (Cue still from Airplane.)

47 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:44:13pm

re: #30 Syrah

I just wonder how long the msm can keep up with the Pollyanna act before the remainder of their audience gets a clue they're full of it. The American people are snapping out of it now, and the press better get a clue. They're going broke because they lie to us. Here's their big chance to turn it around, or will they stick with ideology over employment?

48 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:44:31pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

There didn't even need to be an economic crisis, or any crisis for that matter, for Leftoids and the FMSM to ridicule and castigate Bush for every perceived lapse of intelligence. It has been an 8 year long "joke".

In Obama's case you have a smart guy talking smoothly out his arse. I would prefer the smart, plain-spoken and sometimes comically inarticulate guy. Especially if he has an MBA instead of a JD.

49 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:44:39pm

Jackass, Interrupted.

50 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:44:51pm

re: #21 Gus 802

The square root of Obama equals Carter.

Thus you get two Carters for the price of one.

//

Gus 802 -

Barack + Michelle?

-S-

51 ornery elephant  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:44:51pm

I think Obama got confused. In his circle, " P/E " refers to:

" Politburo / Elitism "

52 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:45:17pm

re: #43 ArmyWife

lol!

53 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:45:27pm

re: #31 Shug

What is the square root of Zero?

At least with negative one you get a square root of i, something that is imaginary. O is an all too real nightmare.

54 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:45:30pm

re: #41 Aviator

Actually, I think that is fucking lying idiot.

Yeah you right buddy.

55 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:45:38pm

re: #51 ornery elephant

I think Obama got confused. In his circle, " P/E " refers to:

" Politburo / Elitism "

Phys-Ed

56 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:46:11pm

re: #32 UberInfidel67

Gosh I hope so. All things being relative, I've lost a lot. I had a friend tell me "well, it's not like you really had it to begin with, it wasn't real money".

57 Syrah  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:46:18pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I just wonder how long the msm can keep up with the Pollyanna act before the remainder of their audience gets a clue they're full of it. The American people are snapping out of it now, and the press better get a clue. They're going broke because they lie to us. Here's their big chance to turn it around, or will they stick with ideology over employment?

For many of them, if not most, it is not ideology so much as it is faith.

Religion is unbound. It does not need to give reality the time of day.

58 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:46:30pm

re: #40 albusteve
No. I have more faith in Americans and the American way of life. We've been down tough roads before, and always thought "this is the worst that can happen". We pull through...one way or another.

59 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:46:59pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least with negative one you get a square root of i, something that is imaginary. O is an all too real nightmare.

"FOGJ"

0=0 any way all'y'all cut it. That is all.

-S-

60 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:10pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I just wonder how long the msm can keep up with the Pollyanna act before the remainder of their audience gets a clue they're full of it. The American people are snapping out of it now, and the press better get a clue. They're going broke because they lie to us. Here's their big chance to turn it around, or will they stick with ideology over employment?

O will just propose another and larger stimulus package to ensure diversity in media.

61 Elcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:17pm

GWB earned a MBA...Obama, has Chicago

62 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:25pm

What kind of idiot do you have to be to think you can bullshit Wall Street on national television?

63 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:36pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

Here's their big chance to turn it around, or will they stick with ideology over employment?

I wonder if they still know how to turn it around. They've spent a lot of time to practice the other skill set; it may just seem like reality to them now.

64 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:52pm

Maybe what we should consider as our next dissenting action gesture, in combination with the tea parties...
How's about us going to every used bookstore and purchasing all the Economics 101 books and start mass mailing them to the White House and to our Congress members!
Don't forget to Neon Green highlight the beginning chapter on
"the definition of the P/E ratio."

65 Drained Brain  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:47:56pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I just wonder how long the msm can keep up with the Pollyanna act before the remainder of their audience gets a clue they're full of it. The American people are snapping out of it now, and the press better get a clue. They're going broke because they lie to us. Here's their big chance to turn it around, or will they stick with ideology over employment?

unfortunately I fear it's going to be awhile. I watched the first few minutes of NBC News tonight - all I could stomach - to hear Brian Williams (he of the whiny and ingratiating delivery) gloating over the most favorable of these poll results.

66 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:06pm

re: #62 godfrey

What kind of idiot do you have to be to think you can bullshit Wall Street on national television?

"But... but... it worked with the voters!?"

67 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:08pm

re: #56 ArmyWife
I didn't mean anything snarky. I can really feel how you guys who are losing so much feel. I feel bad. All your hard work and doing things the right way and this interloper comes along and ruins it all? Damn him and anyone who goes along with his scheme.

68 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:13pm

re: #63 jaunte

They're busy trying to foist Jindal on us.

69 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:20pm

"We didn't have PE in Community Organizer Academy, but I did try out for baseball."

70 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:33pm

re: #62 godfrey

What kind of idiot do you have to be to think you can bullshit Wall Street on national television?

One that gets elected POTUS.

71 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:48:48pm

Charles-
Please register the trademark for the following statement of yours:
"Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis."
It is going to get a LOT of use.
Sincerely:
the dems take my nick literally

72 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:01pm

Oh, it's so much worse than that. The man doesn't even have a consistent message. He was so pessimistic for weeks and all of a sudden he's calling for people to buy stocks? Why would anyone do that - particularly in the most hard hit sectors when those are the ones that are about to be hammered most by Obama's budget and agenda?

Throw in the fact that he's busy sending out a tax cheat to tell everyone that the government is cracking down on companies that are avoiding tax obligations in the US.

It's a laugh a minute...

73 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:05pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

They're busy trying to foist Jindal on us.

They can foist all they want, I ain't buyin'.

74 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:09pm

0bama will make us free!
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Me And Barack Hussein

Busted flat in the USA
Looking for a job
Feeling near as worn out as my shoes

Barack passed a bailout bill
With millions for ACORN
Then I knew I’d get screwed

I took my last dollar
Out of my dirty empty wallet
And was feeling sad when Barack said he’d help

With them Democrats raisin’ taxes
And Barack passing gas
They helped the bank that foreclosed my home

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose
And Barack says this land is free
Freedom seemed easier before he came to town
And I had some money to spend on me.

75 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:10pm

Buyers remorse- the US has a major case of it.

76 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:13pm

re: #58 UberInfidel67

No. I have more faith in Americans and the American way of life. We've been down tough roads before, and always thought "this is the worst that can happen". We pull through...one way or another.

you said things have to get better...I suppose, but in the meantime it will get much worse...who can stop BO before we win Congress?...his own minions will have to turn on him in very large numbers...could happen I suppose but I highly doubt it

77 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:16pm

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

O will just propose another and larger stimulus package to ensure diversity in media.

"FOGJ" -

Seems like everyone wants "the Cheese." Discussion?

-S-

78 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:23pm

Avanti, are you ready to cry uncle yet?

79 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:49:44pm

re: #62 godfrey

What kind of idiot do you have to be to think you can bullshit Wall Street on national television?

A narcissistic idiot.

80 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #67 UberInfidel67

I didn't take it as snarky at all. It's reality. There are many out there who had a lot more than me to lose! I just thought the concept of earning money of a stock wasn't viewed as losing "real" money.

81 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:05pm

re: #78 pink freud

Avanti, are you ready to cry uncle yet?

LOL!

82 bnichols10  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:17pm

We have to be living in Bizarro world where everything is the opposite of what it should be. Please wake me up...

83 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:28pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

They're busy trying to foist Jindal on us.

Today it's Limbaugh...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

84 Shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:31pm

The MSM bobs up and down day to day giving Obama a Lewinski

85 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #62 godfrey

Well, he baffled long enough to get elected President... and figured that the media could cover for the rest of his deficiencies.

Now, Obama is being taken to task by Jim Cramer, and Obama is sending his WH flacks after Cramer. Obama has incredibly thin skin, and despite all this, he's still got a positive approval rating generally and on the economy? At some point people have to catch on?

86 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:10pm

re: #76 albusteve
Haven't we been noticing how people who believed all his bullshit are realizing that's all it was....bullshit? There is hope for our nation. I understand it is hard to be patient when you are losing so much and maybe that is why I am optimistic.

87 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:27pm

Sure, the market goes up and down, and it will go up again.
Give it 4 to 8 years, depending on whether the 0 is re-elected or not.

88 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:27pm

re: #65 Drained Brain

unfortunately I fear it's going to be awhile. I watched the first few minutes of NBC News tonight - all I could stomach - to hear Brian Williams (he of the whiny and ingratiating delivery) gloating over the most favorable of these poll results.

It's slowly trending down though.

89 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:31pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Well, he baffled long enough to get elected President... and figured that the media could cover for the rest of his deficiencies.

Now, Obama is being taken to task by Jim Cramer, and Obama is sending his WH flacks after Cramer. Obama has incredibly thin skin, and despite all this, he's still got a positive approval rating generally and on the economy? At some point people have to catch on?

Upding on the question mark.

90 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:31pm

re: #31 Shug

What is the square root of Zero?

Bill Ayers

91 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:31pm

re: #80 ArmyWife

I didn't take it as snarky at all. It's reality. There are many out there who had a lot more than me to lose! I just thought the concept of earning money of a stock wasn't viewed as losing "real" money.

Did you make your decision on your job?

92 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:44pm

re: #39 Thanos

Yes he should know the difference, however I'm getting a bad feeling that we are focusing in the wrong place. We need Harry's and Nancy's face on this stimulus, not O's. Anything else doesn't make sense for 2010.

good point!

93 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:55pm

re: #78 pink freud

Avanti, are you ready to cry uncle yet?

Only when he is led to Room 101.

94 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:51:57pm

re: #84 Shug

The MSM bobs up and down day to day giving Obama a Lewinski

Media whores?

95 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:52:05pm

re: #75 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Buyers remorse- the US has a major case of it.

Wall Street has a huge case of buyers remorse. Main Street has yet to feel it. They will when the realize that their retirements are in doubt because Obama continues to crater the economy with his pronouncements.

96 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:52:07pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Well, he baffled long enough to get elected President... and figured that the media could cover for the rest of his deficiencies.

Now, Obama is being taken to task by Jim Cramer, and Obama is sending his WH flacks after Cramer. Obama has incredibly thin skin, and despite all this, he's still got a positive approval rating generally and on the economy? At some point people have to catch on?

Who? What have I missed today?

97 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:52:31pm

We need a polished but still folksy candidate who can explain economics and national security to a dumbed-down voting public.

98 Cicero05  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:52:40pm

"Profit and earnings ratio"

Obviously, someone told him that low price/earnings ratios make some stocks a good buy right now, and he should spin this as a silver lining to the Obamessiah Stock Market Collapse. He was so unfamiliar with that nomenclature that he bunged it up.

And this guy is making national economic policy.

99 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #31 Shug

What is the square root of Zero?

Alinsky.

100 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:11pm

re: #80 ArmyWife
I thought maybe I sounded snarky at first. But stocks are an asset as for as I know, and any asset is a good thing right? I don't own anything so I don't know exactly how this all works. But, I have family who own businesses and have tons of money. I would hate to see them lose it all because of this idiot and what he is doing to our Nation.

101 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:12pm

Obama yaps,
Market craps.

Congress wanks,
Market tanks.

I really wish these sub-morons had a clue how the economy works. It would also be helpful if they understood that the flatulence spewing forth from their collective orifices do, unfortunately, have real consequences.

102 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #97 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mitt

103 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:19pm

re: #97 Who Watches the Watchmen?

We need a polished but still folksy candidate who can explain economics and national security to a dumbed-down voting public.

He's dead.

104 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:19pm

re: #72 lawhawk

Did you like his volatility/policy remark? Lets him sound sage without confronting the fact that since November, it's been all downhill -- and his deficit spike dwarfs Bush's.

105 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:53:22pm

re: #72 lawhawk

He said that because he heard his doom and gloom was making things worse. So, what can he do to fix that? Say the exact opposite, of course! Go to your brokers, young sheeps, and buy stocks! Only thing is he went a bit too far outside the teleprompter zone.

106 Drained Brain  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:00pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

It's slowly trending down though.

His numbers are still really high, and certainly don't reflect any blame on him as yet. I'm trying to be hopeful but he's still The One to a lot of folks.

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:09pm

re: #64 notutopia

Maybe what we should consider as our next dissenting action gesture, in combination with the tea parties...
How's about us going to every used bookstore and purchasing all the Economics 101 books and start mass mailing them to the White House and to our Congress members!
Don't forget to Neon Green highlight the beginning chapter on
"the definition of the P/E ratio."

Thomas Sowell for all!

108 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:17pm
109 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #96 MandyManners

This.

110 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:39pm

In Washington D.C., P/E ratio has always been short for pork/earmark ratio; or more recently, Pelosi/eyeblink ratio.

111 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:50pm

re: #75 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Buyers remorse- the US has a major case of it.

re: #95 lawhawk

Wall Street has a huge case of buyers remorse. Main Street has yet to feel it. They will when the realize that their retirements are in doubt because Obama continues to crater the economy with his pronouncements.

From Glenn Reynolds:

DAVID BROOKS: This is not the Barack Obama I thought I knew.

Actually, it’s the same Obama it always was. Brooks, and others, were just so excited at the idea of a black President — or, more specifically, at the idea of themselves, voting for a black President — that they suspended all critical faculties. Now it’s buyer’s remorse. We’ll be seeing more of that.

UPDATE: More buyer’s remorse from former Obama supporter Jim Cramer. “And naturally, in response, Obama’s press secretary attacks Cramer by name. Man, the Nixon Obama White House’s enemies list is growing a lot faster than the economy itself.” Well, to be fair, given the state of the economy these days that’s not very hard . . . .

ANOTHER UPDATE: Allah to David Brooks: “You let him off the hook.”

MORE: David Gergen?

STILL MORE: Video of Cramer, and Gibbs.

MORE STILL: Reader Barry Dauphin writes:
Is losing Gergen anything like losing Cronkite?

And what’s the deal with the press secretary?

Beats me. And reader Scott Northwood writes: “While your linking to Jim Crammer comments on the economy why don’t you link to his YouTube video touting Bearn Stearns before the fall. It’s pretty funny and a good lesson to anyone listening to these loudmouths talking heads.” Yeah, his Bear Stearns call was as bad as his Obama call.

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:54:50pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Who? What have I missed today?

Jim Cramer, hosts a show on CNBC. He has been very vocal about where O and his policies are leading, and how to "make your money Obama proof".

113 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #71 Taqyia2Me

Charles-
Please register the trademark for the following statement of yours:
"Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis."
It is going to get a LOT of use.
Sincerely:
the dems take my nick literally

Charles -

GWB made the SAME MISTAKE, late in his Last Year as President. Let all of us, make a resolution - NO MORE GOLDMAN-SACHS FOLKS as head of Treasury. We have one as Gov. of NJ. He WILL likely be GONE within the year. That is all.

-S-

114 Elcid  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:55:04pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Obama is selling the "I inherited this" and he did...ask Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the rest of the Dems that said...'nothing at all wrong with Fannie and Freddie...that's when the ball started downhill.

Rahm, did his part, by rejecting every proposal, GWB, made to correct, (if possible) the situation.

115 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:55:14pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Who? What have I missed today?


Cramer

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:11pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Mitt

We had Ross Perot, which clinched two terms for Clinton. Mitt certainly could not be as bad as Perot was.

117 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #91 Bloodnok

Yes. Well, sort of. I'm countering tomorrow, and if they take it, I guess I'll be putting my house on the market and house hunting in VA. Thanks for asking, that was sweet.

118 Steffan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:19pm

re: #41 Aviator

And I think you're seriously understating the case. re: #85 lawhawk

Well, he baffled long enough to get elected President... and figured that the media could cover for the rest of his deficiencies.

Now, Obama is being taken to task by Jim Cramer, and Obama is sending his WH flacks after Cramer. Obama has incredibly thin skin, and despite all this, he's still got a positive approval rating generally and on the economy? At some point people have to catch on?

We might want to look at their polling sample to see how the Dem-to-Rep ratio runs.... those numbers make sense if the pool was 2/3 lefties.

119 Salem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:27pm

People are just going to start refusing to carry out his orders and that's bound to diminish the power of the office. He's like Mayor Dinkins writ large. Hopefully, this will be the death knell for the quack media.

120 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:50pm

The People who Understand are getting nuts. Larry Kudlow shot off like a bottle rocket on CNBC yesterday. "We give this money to AIG, all we're doing is buying Penny Stocks with the taxpayer's money. You know own billions of dollars of penny stocks! How do you like it, America?"

And Jim Cramer tore Obama a new one on the Today Show this morning. And when Matt Lauer tried to jump in and defend Barry, Cramer bent Lauer over the table and reamed him a new one, too! "This is been the greatest program of wealth destruction I have seen in my entire life," Cramer said.

121 David Simon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:56:58pm

In case anyone is wondering how the Homeowner Affordability and Stability Act will work, Treasury provides this helpful example:

In 2006: Family C took out a 30-year subprime mortgage of $220,000, on a house worth $230,000 at the time (they put less than 5% down). Their mortgage broker – Mom & Pop Mortgage – sold their loan to Investment Bank. The interest rate on their mortgage is 7.5%.
§ Today: Family C has $214,016 remaining on their mortgage but their home value has fallen -18% to $189,000. Also, in November, one parent in Family C was moved from full-time to part-time work, causing a significant negative shock to their income.

Their loan is now 113% the value of their home, making them "underwater" and unable to sell their house.
Meanwhile, their monthly mortgage payment is $1,538 and their monthly income has fallen to $3,650, meaning the ratio of their monthly mortgage debt to income is 42%.
Under the Homeowner Stability Initiative: Family C can get a government sponsored modification that – for five years – will reduce their mortgage payment by $406 a month. After those five years, Family C's mortgage payment will adjust upward at a moderate, phased-in level.

And how does the plan accomplish this feat?

First, Investment Bank (working through a mortgage servicer) reduces the interest rate so that the Family C's monthly debt-to-income ratio drops from 42% to 38%. This means that Investment Bank must reduce the interest rate from 7.50% to 6.38%, bringing down Family C's monthly payment from $1,538 to $1,387.
Second, the government and Investment Bank share the cost of further reducing the interest rate so that the Family C's monthly debt-to-income level is lowered to 31%. Any dollar the bank spends is matched by the government. At this stage, Family C's interest rate is reduced from 6.41% to 4.43%. In total, Family C's monthly payment has fallen from $1,538 to $1,132.
If Family C remains current on their payments, they will receive incentive payments up to $1,000 a year, or $5,000 over five years, that would go towards reducing the principal they owe. Additionally, the mortgage servicer can earn an up-front incentive fee of $1,000, plus up to $1,000 per year in "Pay for Success" fees for three years, so long as Family C remains current.

Lots of cash incentives for everybody! What could possibly go wrong?

[Link: www.treas.gov...]

122 Salem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:57:24pm

"10,000 dead in Kansas!"

123 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:57:25pm

Nite all. I hope things start looking up for all of you financially. : )

124 anti-looter  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:57:38pm

One has to remember that saving, investing for retirement and economic theory are things that other people do, not Obama and his voters. They just want the benefits.

It is obvious that there are significant gaps in the purported education of 'the Won' - maybe thats why those pesky transcripts stay in the shadow - can't have folks snickering at those class schedules ... organizing 102, rabble rousing 201, vote control seminar ... too bad there wasn't some courses to prepare him to lead.

125 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:57:39pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Well, he baffled long enough to get elected President... and figured that the media could cover for the rest of his deficiencies.

Now, Obama is being taken to task by Jim Cramer, and Obama is sending his WH flacks after Cramer. Obama has incredibly thin skin, and despite all this, he's still got a positive approval rating generally and on the economy? At some point people have to catch on?

lawhawk -

The 2010 election is ONLY 19 MONTHS away. Stuff can happen.

-S-

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:58:17pm

Illinois's new guvner has a website up taking suggestions on how to spend the stimulus money.

Think if I suggested divying it up equally between the federal taxpayers in the state, they'd do it?

127 Cicero05  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:58:36pm

How long until the stupid people realize what they've voted into office?

128 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:58:54pm

re: #112 FurryOldGuyJeans

Jim Cramer, hosts a show on CNBC. He has been very vocal about where O and his policies are leading, and how to "make your money Obama proof".

Someone on here said something recently about "waiting fro Cramer to self-immolate". If you've ever seen the man, you'd know how accurate of a statement that was. His face grows redder and redder as he gets going, he screams and waves his arms ...a true rant machine. IIRC, he used to be on Fox?

129 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:58:59pm

re: #115 notutopia

Cramer

[Video]

Better summation on FOX by Neil Cavuto:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I'm looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Well, who am I to start offering advice, Mr. President, but start looking at those gyrations, because they're bad gyrations, and they're more than day-to-day gyrations.

They're week-to-week, month-to-month, over many months. To be fair, Mr. President, they include you and a guy preceding you — preceding your big government solutions to your predecessor's big government solutions.

Apparently, Mr. President, the markets don't think much of big government solutions — rescues that don't rescue and bailouts that themselves need bailing out. Time and again, the same story.

You can ignore these gyrations all you want, Mr. President, but don't assume we are, because they're not just gyrations and they're not just some fat cat's money. They're our money: our pensions, our 401(k)s, our mutual funds — the stuff of which seven out of 10 of us stake our financial future.

So this isn't about Wall Street having a fit, Mr. President. This is about Main Street in fits because it is wondering why it is, our financial leaders have no faith in our political leaders and why our political leaders don't seem to care.

You may hope you can succeed despite Wall Street, forgetting, Mr. President, that you're only spiting Main Street, because history proves when you don't have their confidence you've all but lost ours.

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:59:01pm

re: #125 Dr. Shalit

lawhawk -

The 2010 election is ONLY 19 MONTHS away. Stuff can happen.

-S-

A lot of economic catastrophe can happen in 19 months.

131 crashnburn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:59:05pm

My new retirement plan is death....

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:59:12pm

Sure it's a great time to buy stocks but who has the money? Even if you did have the money I'd be afraid to tie it up in the market unless you have a very secure job. I'd be more than happy to sit on a big pile of cash for the next few years.

133 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:59:28pm

re: #86 UberInfidel67

Haven't we been noticing how people who believed all his bullshit are realizing that's all it was....bullshit? There is hope for our nation. I understand it is hard to be patient when you are losing so much and maybe that is why I am optimistic.

there is always hope....even right before you die there might be hope but in this case hope don't mean shit...votes do...you want me to be patient while a bunch of criminals take my money, force my children into govt servitude and since you are loaded you are optimistic?....that's just laughable

134 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #101 Van Helsing

Obama yaps,
Market craps.

Congress wanks,
Market tanks.

Let's call the whole thing off!

135 dmjung  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:15pm

I must have blinked. When did the bobbing up part occur?

136 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #117 ArmyWife

Yes. Well, sort of. I'm countering tomorrow, and if they take it, I guess I'll be putting my house on the market and house hunting in VA. Thanks for asking, that was sweet.

OMGoodness! This is wonderful news, Armywife! Congrats :-)

137 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #115 notutopia

Cramer

Wow, just wow. Not even from FNC. He really sounded worked up, and like he was ready to break down.

138 Cicero05  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #131 crashnburn

My new retirement plan is death....

I'm on the same plan now. If you go before I do, let me know what to expect.

139 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:42pm

re: #116 FurryOldGuyJeans

We had Ross Perot, which clinched two terms for Clinton. Mitt certainly could not be as bad as Perot was.

"FOGJ" -

MITT should be President NOW - a Guy who knows how to make a PROFIT out of an Olympics Game is the Fellow/Gal I want in the WH, Yesterday!

-S-

140 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:00:55pm

re: #127 Cicero05

How long until the stupid people realize what they've voted into office?

Stupid is as stupid does.

141 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:07pm

I've stated it here before, I'll state it again

I do NOT want to see Obamas Nirth Certifikate

I DO want to see hi math and economics grades!

142 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:10pm

re: #117 ArmyWife

Yes. Well, sort of. I'm countering tomorrow, and if they take it, I guess I'll be putting my house on the market and house hunting in VA. Thanks for asking, that was sweet.

Good for you! Say hi to FBV in VA for me.

143 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:11pm

re: #115 notutopia
Wow. Cramer is so right. Obama and company are ignoring the market, which is what WE are watching. Telling us to 'ignore the ups and downs' is not going to generate the confidence needed to turn things around.
How can we be confident watching our life savings evaporate?

144 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:20pm

re: #131 crashnburn

My new retirement plan is death....

I don't care how much you dislike 0bama's policies you shouldn't wish him . . .

What?

Oh. Sorry. I guess I read that with a different context that you intended. I apologize.

145 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:23pm

re: #127 Cicero05

How long until the stupid people realize what they've voted into office?

There's a lot of room in those heads to go yet, before a doubt smacks into a neuron.

146 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:26pm

I'm starting to wonder if Obama will be a less-than-one-term President. I'm starting to imagine him boarding Marine One circa March 2011, turning, giving his few remaining supporters a stiff double-armed V-for-victory, and departing.

147 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:31pm

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

A lot of economic catastrophe can happen in 19 months.

"FOJG" -

AND WILL!

-S-

148 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:37pm

re: #109 lawhawk

This.

Did Pres. Bush ever go after his critics like that?

149 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:40pm

I told you all he was uneducated. Ignoramus. And they ridiculed Palin?

150 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:43pm

The stock market "bobs up and down day to day"? Thus far the only movement I'm seeing is down.

Since the One's election the Dow Jones has plunged 27%, The S&P 28%, and the NASDAQ 23%. While Obama wasn't crafting policy until January 21st, these indexes are ultimately forward looking.

Apparently the traders on these indexes have realized they don't have much to look forward to.

151 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:48pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

I've stated it here before, I'll state it again

I do NOT want to see Obamas Nirth Certifikate

I DO want to see hi math and economics grades!

I think that today we got a good idea what they were.

152 crashnburn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:52pm

re: #138 Cicero05

I'm on the same plan now. If you go before I do, let me know what to expect.

I'm currently hoping there is no way for the democrats to reach through the worldly divides and tax me there too!

153 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:53pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Sure it's a great time to buy stocks but who has the money? Even if you did have the money I'd be afraid to tie it up in the market unless you have a very secure job. I'd be more than happy to sit on a big pile of cash for the next few years.

Right now I'm happy to be employed, debt free, and have some money in the bank. Better than some people have right now. I feel lucky.

154 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:54pm

A large chunk of people voted for O because they thought he was better at economic matters than McCain. Every time he opens his mouth he shows he knows even less than McCain ever forgot.

155 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:02:22pm

re: #127 Cicero05

Good question. When did they learn that Carter was tripe?

156 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:02:34pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Sure it's a great time to buy stocks but who has the money? Even if you did have the money I'd be afraid to tie it up in the market unless you have a very secure job. I'd be more than happy to sit on a big pile of cash for the next few years.

I'm currently sitting on cash, and that's my plan. I guess I'm one of those "capital on strike" types, if on a fairly small scale.

157 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:02:36pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

I'm starting to wonder if Obama will be a less-than-one-term President. I'm starting to imagine him boarding Marine One circa March 2011, turning, giving his few remaining supporters a stiff double-armed V-for-victory, and departing.

my dream come true...maybe he'll breakdown and forfeit...

158 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:02:39pm

re: #136 pink freud

Keep your fingers crossed. I'll let y'all know tomorrow when I get home from my other job. Of course, I won't be able to put in notice until the middle of the month so I ensure getting my evil corporate bonus. I feel a little bad about that part, but just a little.

159 Perplexed  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:02:48pm

We are all so screwed.

Obama probably has sucker marks all over his ass from the presstitutes and has to pry their ever adoring lips off of his ass before returning to WAB.

Mike Savage went on a rant today about Obama and if Savage is right Obama is in the process of redefining the US.

Borders-Language-Culture.

160 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:03:13pm

re: #112 FurryOldGuyJeans

Jim Cramer, hosts a show on CNBC. He has been very vocal about where O and his policies are leading, and how to "make your money Obama proof".

I'd love to see CBBHO lose his cool over all those lowly plebes having the gall to criticize him. Narcissistic rage is a terrifying thing to witness.

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:03:21pm

re: #135 dmjung

I must have blinked. When did the bobbing up part occur?

I saw it happening earlier today, before Our Messiah-King started pontificating. The market was up around 100 points, and promptly plunged when he started flapping his gums.

162 Cicero05  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:03:30pm

By The One's definition, the Titanic did quite a lot of bobbing up and down too.

163 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:03:30pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

I'm starting to wonder if Obama will be a less-than-one-term President. I'm starting to imagine him boarding Marine One circa March 2011, turning, giving his few remaining supporters a stiff double-armed V-for-victory, and departing.

It will be interesting to see what happens. The public may turn on him if the economy gets bad enough but it will also take a viable Republican candidate to run against him. I'm not sure if the GOP is willing to run one.

164 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #115 notutopia

Cramer

Thanks!

165 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Did Pres. Bush ever go after his critics like that?

Obama's a small man doing what small men do.

166 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

I'm currently sitting on cash, and that's my plan. I guess I'm one of those "capital on strike" types, if on a fairly small scale.

cash rules...when all else fails cash is king amigo...I'm not wiped out yet either

167 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:14pm
168 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:29pm

re: #165 pink freud

Obama's a small man doing what small men do.

True 'dat.

169 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:32pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

I'm starting to wonder if Obama will be a less-than-one-term President. I'm starting to imagine him boarding Marine One circa March 2011, turning, giving his few remaining supporters a stiff double-armed V-for-victory, and departing.

You think he'll resign, or be impeached?

170 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:36pm

I am glad hubby and I got the size house we needed and not the size we could afford. I'd hate to be sitting on one of those big mortgages and devalued house I can't sell.

I'm old enough to remember other difficult economic times. The younger people I know have no perspective.

171 Dianna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:42pm

re: #149 pat

I told you all he was uneducated. Ignoramus. And they ridiculed Palin?

Palin is female, conservative, attractive, and didn't attend an Ivy League university. Further, she doesn't have an advanced degree, but five kids. She attends an evangelical church with occasional forays into pentecostalism, rather than a church that talks politics and race.

Obviously, she's an idiot, and Obama's a genius.

Why? We don't know.

172 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:51pm

re: #169 Fat Jolly Penguin

You think he'll resign, or be impeached?

Assuming your wonderment is correct, of course.

173 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:55pm

Maybe he meant prophet-to-yearnings ratio?

174 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:04:59pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Wall Street has a huge case of buyers remorse. Main Street has yet to feel it. They will when the realize that their retirements are in doubt because Obama continues to crater the economy with his pronouncements.

Just kind of guessing because of a conversation this evening, Main Street may be squealing in short-order.

175 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:05:04pm
176 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

I'm jealous. I took a lot of money out of the market last year and fixed up my house and bought a lot of inventory but I didn't free up enough cash. I'm starting to look for a part time job to tide me over.

177 Perplexed  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:05:36pm

re: #149 pat

I told you all he was uneducated. Ignoramus. And they ridiculed Palin?

If you look closely, you can see the puppet strings in some live broadcasts. Where you can't see the strings, a handler has his hand up Obama's ass to make his jaws move up and down.

178 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:06:12pm

Well President Obama I'm sure that all of that wealth leaving the market is just falling in the lap of some needy American who could really use the help.

/socialist wealth theory in action

179 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:06:13pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I'd love to see CBBHO lose his cool over all those lowly plebes having the gall to criticize him. Narcissistic rage is a terrifying thing to witness.

He will, too.

And ...we've all paid for front row seats to that.

180 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:06:47pm
181 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:00pm
182 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:03pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I'm jealous. I took a lot of money out of the market last year and fixed up my house and bought a lot of inventory but I didn't free up enough cash. I'm starting to look for a part time job to tide me over.

at least you spent it wisely....and got got some travel time in...I say well done...pass the beans

183 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:14pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I'd love to see CBBHO lose his cool over all those lowly plebes having the gall to criticize him. Narcissistic rage is a terrifying thing to witness.

He has already had his minions out on the attack. Cramer is tough enough to have 'em for lunch.

O, in less than 100 days, has a larger enemies list than Nixon had in his entire political career.

184 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:39pm

Look what's coming next...

The Americans with No Abilities Act

“Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,” said Barbara Boxer. “We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they do a better job, or have some idea of what they are doing.”

(It's originally from The Onion in 1998, but fit in today's news perfectly!

New legislation

185 jim in virginia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:45pm

re: #117 ArmyWife

ArmyWife- the Old Dominion welcomes you. We need more Republicans. Whereabouts is the (potential) new job?

186 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:48pm

re: #169 Fat Jolly Penguin

You think he'll resign, or be impeached?

I think of it more a big, Vaudeville-style hook that comes out from Stage Left and yanks him off.

Hey, it's MY fantasy, okay?

187 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:07:56pm
188 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #179 pink freud

It will be a toss-up between Mr President and Ms. President to see who publicly blows a gasket first.

Have they posted the over/under on this yet in London or Vegas?

189 NortonPete  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:21pm

re: #173 Cato the Elder

Funny. But this wasn't a verbal gaff, he was throwing out buzz words.
He is clueless.

190 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:24pm

bbiab

191 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Mandy, when you get your Lizard Press Pass, could you add a question? I'm thinking something like this:

Mandy: "President, I hear you blaming Bush for this. I'd like to point out that markets are forward looking. So now what?"

O -"ummm...well.... ummm...you see...Profit and umm.. something...P to E or something....Change!"

Mandy: "I see. For follow up, Mr. President, do you think those who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are f'n happy now?"

192 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:29pm

This is from Hugh Hewitt today:

Monday, March 02, 2009
President Obama: Listen To Your Inner Market
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 3:47 PM
Another weekend of digesting bad economic news and radical policy proposals and the market sells off again, setting a new bottom for the financial crisis. Would somebody in the White House please read Amity Shlaes' The Forgotten Man, and perhaps leave it in the Oval Office for POTUS to find? Investors aren't coming back into the market until they are assured of the rules under which the economy will be governed. The early promise of competence in the Summers and Geithner appointments has completely evaporated, and absent some rapid moves that demonstrate a coherent economic strategy, it won't be recoverable. The new president's unnerving demands for sweeping changes to all programs immediately has capital on the sidelines, and it won't be coming back unless and until the new Administration sets its priorities and its parameters, and abandons its worst ideas such as reducing the deductability of charitable contributions and mortgage interest. The president's rhetoric is driving uncertainty and fear, violating every rule of presidential leadership in a recession. The DOW is down nearly 3000 points since President Obama's election. American business and the people who buy equity in it aren't buying the Obama program. Democrats can tell themselves they won't be blamed for this come 2010, but they already own this economy as a result of the porkulus, the president's budget message, and the failure to have developed a plan for the banks in the nearly four months since the president won in November.


Bolds are mine.


Link.

There's no design work in my office, and Obama goes around making discouraging statements about the economy. Thanks a lot you (deleted).

193 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:44pm

re: #180 taxfreekiller

MAybe all those people in Phoenix will emigrate to Iran or Bolivia where they will enjoy a reduced risk of kidnapping.

194 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:07pm
195 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:21pm

Hmmm, this is an interesting group of talking heads from yesterday.

/I got it from The Conspiracy to Keep You Poor and Stupid.
//Where I go from time to time

196 doctornick  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:25pm

I'm going to start collecting "Obamisms."

197 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:34pm

re: #131 crashnburn

My new retirement plan is death....

That's the CommieCare™ plan for your retirement too.

198 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:40pm
199 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:40pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I'm jealous. I took a lot of money out of the market last year and fixed up my house and bought a lot of inventory but I didn't free up enough cash. I'm starting to look for a part time job to tide me over.

I'd love to say that my relative liquidity is the result of my uncanny financial acumen, but it's really more the result of innate risk avoidance combined with simple inertia.

200 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:46pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Sure it's a great time to buy stocks but who has the money? Even if you did have the money I'd be afraid to tie it up in the market unless you have a very secure job. I'd be more than happy to sit on a big pile of cash for the next few years.

A lot of people are already getting that idea - from a nation where savings rates were actually in the negative, they're not at 5% - rates not seen in a generation because people don't know where else to put their money but into savings accounts and under the mattress.

I wish I could have some money to play in the market, but right now, I need to have the money available to do work on the house and for reserves - just in case (and just as I've always done).. and to hedge against the impending tax hikes at the state and local level.

201 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:48pm

re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans

He has already had his minions out on the attack. Cramer is tough enough to have 'em for lunch.

O, in less than 100 days, has a larger enemies list than Nixon had in his entire political career.

the next step is to put Congress and the Senate on notice....they are going down too...you fuck me up I'm taking you with me...a US Senator is one of the most primo jobs in the whole world...think about it boys

202 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:09:50pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Did Pres. Bush ever go after his critics like that?

Mandy Manners -

Unfortunately NOT! GWB was a President and a Gentleman.

-S-

203 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:14pm

re: #78 pink freud

Avanti, are you ready to cry uncle yet?

Nope, still happy in my blue state bubble with the other 65%. Check back with me in a year and I'll give you a update. Swapped profit for price is a sentience is word swap like most of us make, not a sign of ignorance. GW was a master at it, but I thought it was endearing, not proof he was stupid. GW, even paused to grin at his screw ups. kinda miss that.

204 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:19pm
205 jimzinsocal  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:33pm

Jesus Charles. I cant believe he said that. But them again I can believe it.
I began my suspicion with Obama maybe back in September when the bone up his ass about "businesses" and "corporate America" was about the size of Montana.
Show me...Obama supporters...show me a reasonable pro business attitude.
Failing that? How about a neutral attitude?

Let me help you.

Obama's Pro Business Attitude:

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C


Oh snap. Nothing there.

206 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #165 pink freud

Obama's a small man doing what small men do.

Barry's been out going places in his big blue and white jet, including that trip to Williamsburg just after the Inauguration. I remember reading somewhere that people with little self worth, if they ever do make it big, like to show off all their toys to impress the little people.

Strike you as someone you may read about in the paper?

207 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:51pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

re: #143 VioletTiger

Anyone who has taken a significant hit (which I have, 50% of my retirement funds are gone), is absolutely furious!
Then to sit in waiting for this liberal blundering administration to concoct another tax structure which will mean another 15 to 20% reduction in my household take home, is just INSANE.
My husband and I will never recoup any of what we lost before his planned date of retirement in 5 years.
It makes us sick to realize that 1/3rd of our life's hard earned work in savings for retirement just got flushed into a corrupt administrations hands.

208 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:54pm
209 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:56pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

Wow, just wow. Not even from FNC. He really sounded worked up, and like he was ready to break down.

Cramer and Santelli are both on CNBC. As in the same NBC that brings us MSNBC and Keith O and Chris M. Owned by GE, which once upon a time was the creme de la creme of the NYSE and closed today at $7.01 after announcing the evisceration of its vaunted dividend on Friday.

Hedging their bets?

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:10:59pm

I think the reason politicians who have no real world experience don't like a market economy is that it can't be controlled, much like real life.

211 jim in virginia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:01pm

re: #186 Occasional Reader

I think of it more a big, Vaudeville-style hook that comes out from Stage Left and yanks him off.

Hey, it's MY fantasy, okay?


Perhaps he'll be run over by a giant Trojan bunny?

212 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:05pm

re: #189 NortonPete

He is fucking clueless.

They are all clueless in congress too, trying to fix what really is a crisis of human priorities and motivation and values, with money. It won't work, no it won't, it just won't.

213 jorline  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:07pm

Tough row to hoe with asshats like Steny Hoyer around.

Hoyer: Congress, not Obama, to decide on earmarks

Asked about White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs' statement Monday that the Obama administration was formulating guidelines for earmark reform, Hoyer said flatly, "I don't think the White House has the ability to tell us what to do."

He paused deliberately and quipped to reporters in the room, "I hope you all got that down."

"I philosophically believe it would be an undermining of the Article One responsibilities given to the Congress of the United States if it were to abandon its right to add items that it believes are priorities for our country and for the communities we represent as members of Congress," Hoyer said.

Hoyer actually believes money grows on trees...vote his ass out of office.

214 saberry0530  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #131 crashnburn

My new retirement plan is death....

You might want to modify that to

"My new retirement plan is working until I die"

215 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #196 doctornick

I'm going to start collecting "Obamisms."

Let me kick-start your collection:

216 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:25pm

re: #185 jim in virginia

Richmond area. I'm open for good schools and neighborhood suggestions! Needs to be in commuting distance to Ft. Lee, and I found a stable to board my equines (and my unicorn, it's part of the family now) in Chesterfield, so I'm thinking of looking in that area, too.

217 venomx  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:25pm

But..but..He's so intellectual! Isnt that what our side needs?Not moose eatin' gun totin' lowbrows

218 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:44pm

"Mr. President,

During the election cycle you complained about the oil companies "record profits". Could you please tell us the differnce between PROFITS and PROFIT MARGINS, and how that relates to the oil compnaies, and then how THAt relates to investments"?

219 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:45pm

If I may paraphrase Mandy:

I hope my business owning, republican uncle who couldn't stand to vote for McCain is fucking happy now.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:11:49pm

re: #6 Cognito

Whatever. I'm collecting and bartering with bottle caps now, anyway.

Sounds good, but are the caps backed by the Water Merchants. I ain't taking your caps unless they are.

221 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:12:00pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Link to Neil Cavuto's Video:

When a president dismisses Wall Street is he dismissing something else?

Gus802 -

Capitalism Perhaps?

-S-

222 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:12:14pm

re: #12 godfrey

Obama isn't prepared for the job, and there's no time to learn.

Which is exactly what his own VP said during a primary debate. And reaffirmed later:

George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC’s "This Week," 8/19/07)

Then, of course, the mark my words/gird your loins moment about testing the mettle of this "brilliant 47-year-old" (read inexperienced).

223 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:12:49pm

re: #203 avanti

Nope, still happy in my blue state bubble with the other 65%. Check back with me in a year and I'll give you a update. Swapped profit for price is a sentience is word swap like most of us make, not a sign of ignorance. GW was a master at it, but I thought it was endearing, not proof he was stupid. GW, even paused to grin at his screw ups. kinda miss that.

still using Bush?....you cannot man up....you are unworthy

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:13:05pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Did Pres. Bush ever go after his critics like that?

GW never went after his critics, justified or not. That was one of his biggest detrimental personality traits.

225 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:13:07pm

I wouldn't trust Obama to buy a puppy.

226 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:13:07pm

re: #214 saberry0530

"My new retirement plan is working until I die"

Even that would be an improvement over "unemployed until I die."

227 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:13:18pm

I am logged in, but none of the up and down ding buttons are highlighted for me,nor are the hearts visible.

228 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:13:39pm

re: #203 avanti

That's because W recognized he made a mistake. Obama hasn't a clue that he fumbled.

229 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:00pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Sure it's a great time to buy stocks but who has the money? Even if you did have the money I'd be afraid to tie it up in the market unless you have a very secure job. I'd be more than happy to sit on a big pile of cash for the next few years.

My broker got me partially back in today, he's convinced we're close to the bottom. We'll see.

230 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:05pm

re: #227 DistantThunder

Refresh the page if you logged in after you were already viewing comments.

231 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:07pm

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

GW never went after his critics, justified or not. That was one of his biggest detrimental personality traits.

Back in the day, they called it class and dignity.

Today it just makes one look like a chump.

232 saberry0530  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:16pm

re: #226 Ojoe

Even that would be an improvement over "unemployed until I die."

Had to plus ya on that one!

233 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:22pm

re: #187 Iron Fist

I have no buyers remorse, whatsoever. I jumped through hoops just so I could vote against that motherfucker. I'd have voted against him twice, but as a registered Republican I wasn't allowed to do that.

As a registered Democrat ... I was. ;-)

And I enjoyed every minute of it.

234 Cicero05  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #207 notutopia

re: #143 VioletTiger

Anyone who has taken a significant hit (which I have, 50% of my retirement funds are gone), is absolutely furious!

If it makes it hurt any less, my portfolio was in the million-plus range at the end of '07. It's somewhere south of $500k right now. All retirement money, hard-earned and saved. And our President thinks its not worth his attention.

235 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:30pm

re: #203 avanti

Still using Bush as a human shield, eh? You really are a fucking idiot and loser.

236 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:32pm

re: #196 doctornick

I'm going to start collecting "Obamisms."

You're gonna need a bigger bag !

237 David Simon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:36pm

re: #181 ploome hineni

but every person Ispeak to, who voted Nobama

thinks NObama has inherited this situation for Bush

That's because Obama is very careful to slip it into his speeches. Many Democrat voters can only "think" in slogans.

238 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:36pm

A tall, handsome man just made a suggestion to me that I'm not passing up. You guys have a great night!

239 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #227 DistantThunder

Refreshing the page with your browser button at the top might fix that.

240 jim in virginia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #216 ArmyWife

Richmond area. I'm open for good schools and neighborhood suggestions! Needs to be in commuting distance to Ft. Lee, and I found a stable to board my equines (and my unicorn, it's part of the family now) in Chesterfield, so I'm thinking of looking in that area, too.


Did ArmyHusband get BRAC'd?

241 shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:56pm

When Obama says P/E ratio he means pork to earmark ratio

242 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:14:58pm

re: #227 DistantThunder

I am logged in, but none of the up and down ding buttons are highlighted for me,nor are the hearts visible.

It's in honor of the Obama market theory. The buttons go up and down - who cares.

/refresh the page or f5 in IE

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:03pm

re: #206 SteveC

Barry's been out going places in his big blue and white jet, including that trip to Williamsburg just after the Inauguration. I remember reading somewhere that people with little self worth, if they ever do make it big, like to show off all their toys to impress the little people.

Strike you as someone you may read about in the paper?

Nancy Pelosi as well?

244 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:07pm

BHO's economic advisors: "Gives us yer moneys and u wil B mo' betta fo it. We's don need no p-2-e ratios to noes wat 2 do!"

Jeez, I'm so sick of this pretender to the throne.

245 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:12pm

re: #232 saberry0530

These are screwed up times!

Thanks for the up ding.

246 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:17pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Misery loves company. Our college savings for our daughter are in the dumpster, so we have to use cash. And we just got a letter saying tuition is going up 5%.
Thanks, Obummer.

247 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:18pm

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

GW never went after his critics, justified or not. That was one of his biggest detrimental personality traits.

Or, it could show he had no desire to dwell with the petty aspects of being POTUS.

248 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:31pm

The Dow's getting less sweat-worthy every day!

249 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:34pm

re: #231 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Back in the day, they called it class and dignity.

Today it just makes one look like a chump.

Class and Dignity knew when to attack, and when to ignore. All GW did was ignore.

250 ArmyWife  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:36pm

re: #240 jim in virginia

No, he requested based on my job, and they are working on it. Ok, night!

251 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:38pm

re: #203 avanti

Nope, still happy in my blue state bubble with the other 65%. Check back with me in a year and I'll give you a update. Swapped profit for price is a sentience is word swap like most of us make, not a sign of ignorance. GW was a master at it, but I thought it was endearing, not proof he was stupid. GW, even paused to grin at his screw ups. kinda miss that.

"most of us" are not the President.

It is a mistake that people who don't know what they are talking about make.

252 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:42pm
253 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:15:48pm

re: #203 avanti

Nope, still happy in my blue state bubble with the other 65%. Check back with me in a year and I'll give you a update. Swapped profit for price is a sentience is word swap like most of us make, not a sign of ignorance. GW was a master at it, but I thought it was endearing, not proof he was stupid. GW, even paused to grin at his screw ups. kinda miss that.

But Obama has no economic experience,
no business experience,

so this is far more likely to be ignorance.

At least Bush had an MBA. What classes would obama have taken in college that would reassure us that he's ever learned what P/E means. We wouldn't know would we, since he won't release his records.

254 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:16:09pm

re: #181 ploome hineni

maybe wall street

but every person Ispeak to, who voted Nobama

thinks NObama has inherited this situation for Bush

they all blame Bush

They've got a media that keeps pushing that meme too. But the markets are responding to what Obama is doing, not to what Bush did. The markets were fairly stable through November 08. They changed after Obama starting running at the mouth to talk down the economy at every turn.

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #238 ArmyWife

A tall, handsome man just made a suggestion to me that I'm not passing up. You guys have a great night!

What does your hubby think of this suggestion from a tall and handsome man? ;)

256 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:16:30pm

I don't know if I'd invest cash in stocks right now (and I've got quite a bit saved up). No one knows where the indexes will bottom out. If you were to invest $20,000 in the DJIA and if the index were to fall to 4,000, you might not see a return on your investment for awhile.

257 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:16:37pm

Please, please, when will the adults show up in Washington? This "Take Your Kid To Work" day in DC has dragged out two months already!

258 saberry0530  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #245 Ojoe

These are screwed up times!

Thanks for the up ding.

Try this one on that I seen on the Cramer site on CNBC.

Obama is an acronym

One Big Azz Mistake America

259 Perplexed  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:17:04pm

re: #253 DistantThunder

But Obama has no economic experience,
no business experience,

so this is far more likely to be ignorance.

At least Bush had an MBA. What classes would obama have taken in college that would reassure us that he's ever learned what P/E means. We wouldn't know would we, since he won't release his records.

What makes you believe that he ever attended any classes whatsoever?

260 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:17:49pm

re: #229 avanti

My broker got me partially back in today, he's convinced we're close to the bottom. We'll see.

anyone who can sit back and watch their money vanish and accept it as a good thing for America either has none or is a drooling idiot...your broker is a stupid as you are...BO decides the bottom

261 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:17:52pm

re: #257 6pat6

Please, please, when will the adults show up in Washington? This "Take Your Kid To Work" day in DC has dragged out two months already!

Sorry 6pat6, those in DC have no time for "the chattering classes".

262 shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:18:08pm

We need more Gordon Gecko and less Nodrog

263 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:18:13pm

re: #213 jorline

Tough row to hoe with asshats like Steny Hoyer around.

Hoyer: Congress, not Obama, to decide on earmarks

Hoyer actually believes money grows on trees...vote his ass out of office.

The GOP can't bitch too much, they have the biggest ear marks and 40% of them, business as usual for both parties. Obama claims this is a carry over bill from the old budget and he'll deal with ear marks on his bill, but I don't think he has a shot at stopping the pork.

264 jimzinsocal  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #212 Ojoe

He is fucking clueless.

They are all clueless in congress too, trying to fix what really is a crisis of human priorities and motivation and values, with money. It won't work, no it won't, it just won't.

Of course they are clueless.

We have elected a bunch of Chance Gardeners.
Its right out of Being There.

265 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:18:23pm
266 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:04pm

Cavuto is just too cool. Yesterday he was interviewing someone about the 300 point drop when the satellite lost the signal, as they do occasionally. After a few seconds of staring at the test pattern Neil said "The White House has locked on to our transmission... just kidding!"

267 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:07pm
President Obama says he’s looking at the big picture

Submitted by Miss Jones' first grade class in crayon.

268 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:16pm

re: #260 albusteve

your broker is a stupid as you are...

Do you have any decency at all? Any regard for your fellow people?

There's need to treat people that way.

269 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:20pm
270 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:25pm

Obama is sabotaging the economy to advance his political fascist/socialist agenda.

271 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:27pm

re: #253 DistantThunder

At least Bush had an MBA. What classes would obama have taken in college that would reassure us that he's ever learned what P/E means. We wouldn't know would we, since he won't release his records.

Notice the Jackass Party Duma members seem to get a pass when it comes to releasing their medical or education records, but Conservatives would be burned at the stake for doing the very same thing! Clinton NEVER released any of his annual physical results to the press. BHO is the very same way.

272 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:29pm

re: #229 avanti

My broker got me partially back in today, he's convinced we're close to the bottom. We'll see.

He must be as deluded as you.

273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:19:34pm

re: #249 FurryOldGuyJeans

Class and Dignity knew when to attack, and when to ignore. All GW did was ignore.

Oh, I agree.

Problem was, he really wasn't a conservative... and couldn't find his veto pen with both hands.

274 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #258 saberry0530

Well you know this affirmative action stuff & the like has gotten us here; it amounts to a de facto title of nobility (unconstitutional); conferring unmerited advantages by accident of birth; causing class resentments; and allowing incompetent leadership. All these are hallmarks of a nobility system, and we have them now.

The founding fathers were wise to outlaw titles of nobility & we have let them creep back in, and we are paying for it.

275 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:24pm

re: #268 Cognito

Do you have any decency at all? Any regard for your fellow people?

There's need to treat people that way.

fuck off....you are of no concern to me

276 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:25pm

Imagine how much damage Obama could do if he were as smart as people think he is.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:27pm

re: #270 DistantThunder

Obama is sabotaging the economy to advance his political fascist/socialist agenda.

Cloward-Piven Strategy.

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:28pm

re: #273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oh, I agree.

Problem was, he really wasn't a conservative... and couldn't find his veto pen with both hands.

Oooh, even more I can agree with! ;)

279 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:29pm

re: #203 avanti

Nope, still happy in my blue state bubble with the other 65%. Check back with me in a year and I'll give you a update. Swapped profit for price is a sentience is word swap like most of us make, not a sign of ignorance. GW was a master at it, but I thought it was endearing, not proof he was stupid. GW, even paused to grin at his screw ups. kinda miss that.

Avanti, I don't know what to say. How 'bout this: What's it going to take for you to realize the man is not only a fool but a dangerous man, to boot ...and that he is fucking with all of our lives?

Do you admire him?

What kind of man defends a person like Obama?

Last, lemme just say that the operative word in your post is "bubble".

/sheesh

280 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:31pm
281 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:20:39pm

re: #275 albusteve

fuck off....you are of no concern to me

And there we have it.

282 Perplexed  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:21:13pm

re: #271 6pat6

Notice the Jackass Party Duma members seem to get a pass when it comes to releasing their medical or education records, but Conservatives would be burned at the stake for doing the very same thing! Clinton NEVER released any of his annual physical results to the press. BHO is the very same way.

No medical records means they can hide a multitude of sins (i.e. VD, damage due to drug use, etc).

283 shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:21:22pm

re: #272 Aviator

He must be as deluded as you.

I am buying. Got 40 years to wait. Huge bargains to be had

284 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:21:36pm

Asian Stocks Fall as Australian Economy Shrinks; Toyota Slumps

By Jonathan Burgos

March 4 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks fell for a third day, led by carmakers and banks, as U.S. auto sales plunged and Australia’s economy unexpectedly contracted, fueling concerns the global recession is worsening.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:22:01pm

re: #282 Perplexed

No medical records means they can hide a multitude of sins (i.e. VD, damage due to drug use, etc).

actual/current drug use . .

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:22:06pm

re: #269 taxfreekiller

Try and be more subtle.

287 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #222 Silvergirl

Then, of course, the mark my words/gird your loins moment about testing the mettle of this "brilliant 47-year-old" (read inexperienced).

Silvergirl -

When I was Pres. Obama's age (1998) - I could have handled things better than Bill Clinton did in the "Monicagate" situation. With power comes isolation, and "YES" folks. Bet Pres. Clinton wished he had Dick Morris back around then.

Every high elected official should endeavor to have a few "NO's" around for their Mental and Political Health.

-S-

288 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:22:32pm

re: #280 taxfreekiller

You can see them at night?

289 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:22:59pm
290 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:23:18pm

Today's new word is: 0bamic

It means a disaster of epic proportions.

Use: The current stock market drop is one of an 0bamic scale!

291 saberry0530  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:23:24pm

re: #288 Ojoe

You can see them at night?

Only if ya squint!

292 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:23:34pm

Obama wants to like FDR. His New Big Deal will have us there in no time.

293 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:23:38pm

re: #285 ggt

actual/current drug use . .

Makes me a mite suspicious with his excessive tobacco usage the media is doing its best to downplay. Castigate the tobacco companies while making his smoking be a "Manly" trait.

294 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:23:51pm

re: #276 HelloDare

Imagine how much damage Obama could do if he were as smart as people think he is.

The bastard IS smart - his plan to ruin the nation is on the intended path. His bunch WANT people to get pissed off enough to try a real insurrection, then he can declare a national state of emergency and nationalize/seize everything. It a dream-come-true for his kind of 21st Century America-hating Socialist.

295 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:00pm

re: #283 shug

I am buying. Got 40 years to wait. Huge bargains to be had

I said that in reference to this being the bottom. I don't think that is so.

296 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:17pm

re: #184 SteveC

This is a good depiction.

297 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:37pm

re: #263 avanti

The GOP can't bitch too much, they have the biggest ear marks and 40% of them, business as usual for both parties. Obama claims this is a carry over bill from the old budget and he'll deal with ear marks on his bill, but I don't think he has a shot at stopping the pork.

You're losing ground.

298 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:39pm

re: #281 Cognito

And there we have it.

re: #288 Ojoe

You can see them at night?

he's an Apache....he doesn't have to see them, he knows where they are

299 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

None of the lefties here even know he smokes.

300 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #290 gmsc

Today's new word is: 0bamic

It means a disaster of epic proportions.

Use: The current stock market drop is one of an 0bamic scale!

Let's just steer clear of Obasm, shall we?

301 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:43pm

re: #282 Perplexed

Of course. Far too much incriminating details.

302 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:24:54pm

re: #292 solomonpanting


to "be" like FDR...

303 shug  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:25:14pm

re: #295 Aviator

I said that in reference to this being the bottom. I don't think that is so.

Me too but still lots of bargains to be had

304 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:25:20pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

You remember the O's church talk against "middleclassness."
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

305 pittrader1988  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:25:41pm

Economics education should be a part of every high school education.

Of course, if Obama had his way, Bill Ayers would teach economics.

306 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:25:59pm

re: #300 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, and America has suffered from a long case of Premature Obasms.

//

307 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:26:05pm

re: #284 Gus 802

Asian Stocks Fall as Australian Economy Shrinks; Toyota Slumps

By Jonathan Burgos

March 4 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks fell for a third day, led by carmakers and banks, as U.S. auto sales plunged and Australia’s economy unexpectedly contracted, fueling concerns the global recession is worsening.

Wednesday ended mixed..
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

308 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:26:44pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Yes, and America has suffered from a long case of Premature Obasms.

//

I think that was the night of the Greek Column speech.

He's been limp and flaccid since.

309 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:26:45pm

re: #263 avanti

The GOP can't bitch too much, they have the biggest ear marks and 40% of them, business as usual for both parties. Obama claims this is a carry over bill from the old budget and he'll deal with ear marks on his bill, but I don't think he has a shot at stopping the pork.

Avanti -

NOR does any other incoming President. I give Pres. Obama some slack here.

Pres. Carter tried to get rid of "Water Projects" on Day One, and had Congress as an adversary from the same date. Democratic or not.

-S-

310 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:27:01pm

re: #307 HelloDare

Yeah, China did better.

311 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:27:02pm

re: #303 shug

Me too but still lots of bargains to be had

if the companies themselves recover...like poker now, who's gonna fold?

312 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:27:09pm

re: #251 Bloodnok

"most of us" are not the President.

It is a mistake that people who don't know what they are talking about make.

I seen this sort of thing on both the right and left. Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion. The best example is the BHO 57 or whatever state slip. Does anyone actually think the POTUS does not know how many states there are, or Mccain does not know countries borders. ? Bloopers are great fun unless you make more of them then is warranted.

313 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:02pm

re: #300 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Let's just steer clear of Obasm, shall we?

The females (and at least one of the males) of the MSM/MFM have that one covered already.

314 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:16pm

re: #305 pittrader1988

Economics education should be a part of every high school education.

Of course, if Obama had his way, Bill Ayers would teach economics.

315 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:19pm

How's the price of lead these days?

Lead looks to be a bargin. Time to buy more.

316 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #234 Cicero05

If it makes it hurt any less, my portfolio was in the million-plus range at the end of '07. It's somewhere south of $500k right now. All retirement money, hard-earned and saved. And our President thinks its not worth his attention.

No, it makes me hurt for you as well.
All our Time spent at Hard work to be fiscally responsible to take care of ourselves, can never be recouped. It's gone...
I want my conservative free market country back Dammit!

317 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:40pm

I'm also planing my spring and summer garden. I started tomatoes and basil under grow lights this week. I'm going to do cucumbers this year and make my own pickles. Also growing a lot of herbs this year for winter storage. Stuff like dill and oregano are really expensive in the stores but they are really easy to grow.

318 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:28:58pm

re: #299 Ojoe

None of the lefties here even know he smokes.

My theory on his heavy smoking. After every time he screws America, he grabs a cigarette.

319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:29:01pm

re: #313 pink freud

The females (and at least one of the males) of the MSM/MFM have that one covered already.

Was that a tingle running up Chris Matthew's leg or something running down it?

320 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:29:15pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

Well, they told you that they wanted to hurt the Upper Middle Class and Lower Upper Class. This meltdown is doing that with remarkable effiency. Once we are all poor, living in mud huts, and burning cow shit for a fire to warm against the winter chill, we will be able to look up in the night sky and see, far overhead the few truly needed people flying to and fro from this gala to that party, and recall that time long ago when normal people (there-I've said it) could fly through the night sky going about their business at hand. President for Life Obama made all that happen. Without Him, we'd all be living in houses with electric lights, heating and air conditioning, even running water. With his ascension into Godhood he has seared, seared into our memory that we must love our mother Gaia, and sacrifice much in order for her to bloom properly.

Yeah, remember the hypocrite in chief said we all can't have our homes at 72 degrees - that was code for "not you people" just Michelle & ME and our friends.

321 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:29:32pm

re: #312 avanti

Yes, but there ARE 57 Islamic states, in case you were unaware of that little fact.

322 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #303 shug

Me too but still lots of bargains to be had

Maybe

323 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Was that a tingle running up Chris Matthew's leg or something running down it?

They're mutually exclusive?

324 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:20pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

I'm also planing my spring and summer garden. I started tomatoes and basil under grow lights this week. I'm going to do cucumbers this year and make my own pickles. Also growing a lot of herbs this year for winter storage. Stuff like dill and oregano are really expensive in the stores but they are really easy to grow.

I was going to grow some herbs too this year. I love basil, and it's so much better fresh. Just be careful with any sage or mint- they will take over a garden.

325 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:25pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Was that a tingle running up Chris Matthew's leg or something running down it?

One causes the other.

326 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:26pm

re: #323 pink freud

They're mutually exclusive?

In any sane universe.

327 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:30pm

re: #312 avanti

I seen this sort of thing on both the right and left. Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion. The best example is the BHO 57 or whatever state slip. Does anyone actually think the POTUS does not know how many states there are, or Mccain does not know countries borders. ? Bloopers are great fun unless you make more of them then is warranted.

The slips are telling. There are 57 islamic states. You think that is a coincidence?

328 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:38pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

I'm also planing my spring and summer garden. I started tomatoes and basil under grow lights this week. I'm going to do cucumbers this year and make my own pickles. Also growing a lot of herbs this year for winter storage. Stuff like dill and oregano are really expensive in the stores but they are really easy to grow.

You and me both. Did a small one last year and plan to double it at a minimum this year.

329 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:49pm

re: #319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Was that a tingle running up Chris Matthew's leg or something running down it?

Somehow, Led Zepplin's "The Lemon Song" comes to mind - but with Chrissie as the only one in the room.

Yeah, sick, I know.

330 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:30:57pm

Finally the History Channel is redeming themselves tonight..Usually it's all about UFO's, Monsters or the end of the world..
Tonight they are discussing string and M theory..

331 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:00pm

re: #318 HelloDare

My theory on his heavy smoking. After every time he screws America, he grabs a cigarette.

Oh, like this.

332 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:09pm

re: #320 DistantThunder

Or "eat as much as we want".

Direct quote.

No faith he has, that God would provide for his children.

I am sorry but I think the man is evil.

Good night, I don't feel like posting anymore for a while.

333 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:11pm
334 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #268 Cognito

Do you have any decency at all? Any regard for your fellow people?

There's need to treat people that way.

I just ignore the keyboard gladiators, they are all over the net. I'm sure in person, he would not hurl insults left and right. I tend to try and stay civil rather then join in recess ground play.

335 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #312 avanti

I seen this sort of thing on both the right and left. Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion. The best example is the BHO 57 or whatever state slip. Does anyone actually think the POTUS does not know how many states there are, or Mccain does not know countries borders. ? Bloopers are great fun unless you make more of them then is warranted.

This was a discussion about the economy. That is not the time to botch a simple economic term. 57 states? I'm with you -joke fodder, nothing more. But the P/E thing was the backbone of the point he was making. Unacceptable.

336 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:35pm

re: #321 6pat6

Yes, but there ARE 57 Islamic states, in case you were unaware of that little fact.

If you're talking about the OIC, there are 57 member states, but an addition 3 observer states, for a total of 60.

337 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:37pm

re: #312 avanti

Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion.

The problem is, it's not just a slip. It's a minor illustration of his overall economic illiteracy.

338 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:31:39pm

re: #312 avanti

So no matter what the man says you will excuse it since you voted for him. You are an even bigger tool than I thought previously.

339 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:12pm

re: #321 6pat6

Yes, but there ARE 57 Islamic states, in case you were unaware of that little fact.

Yeah, a guy at the local McCain office told me that a few months ago while I was stuffing door hangers ... as a prelude to his exposition on why the non-prod of the nirth certifikat proved BO wasn't qualified.

Lose it.

340 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:37pm

re: #327 DistantThunder

The slips are telling. There are 57 islamic states. You think that is a coincidence?

Yes.

341 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:39pm

re: #328 CynicalConservative

You and me both. Did a small one last year and plan to double it at a minimum this year.

might be time to consider a milk cow and a butter churn...a still would be handy too

342 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:39pm

re: #331 Aviator

Oh, like this.

Yeah, except he lights them. Be funny to catch a photo of him standing outside the White House door smoking.

343 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:47pm

re: #312 avanti

I seen this sort of thing on both the right and left. Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion. The best example is the BHO 57 or whatever state slip. Does anyone actually think the POTUS does not know how many states there are, or Mccain does not know countries borders. ? Bloopers are great fun unless you make more of them then is warranted.

Except for the fact that he said 57....then continued the point and said he has "uh....one more to go, I think".

344 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:50pm

re: #333 Iron Fist

Yeah, I don't have a 401K either.

Oh, I have one, but I consider the statements a form of dark comedy these days.

345 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:32:57pm

re: #339 Lynn B.

Waaah.

346 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:00pm

re: #324 Sharmuta

Yeah, I have more mint than I want. It just keeps coming back.

347 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least with negative one you get a square root of i, something that is imaginary. O is an all too real nightmare.


SQ root of O? In the geek world it's called "BSOD, the Blue Screen of Death."

348 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:16pm

re: #337 Occasional Reader

The problem is, it's not just a slip. It's a minor constant illustration of his overall economic illiteracy.

:-)

349 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:32pm

re: #341 albusteve

might be time to consider a milk cow and a butter churn...a still would be handy too

Wish I had the land for that. Trying to work a deal for 2 acres, but have to take a massive loss on where I'm at to make it work.

350 jorline  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:35pm

re: #307 HelloDare

Wednesday ended mixed..
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Another look.

351 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:41pm

re: #283 shug

I am buying. Got 40 years to wait. Huge bargains to be had

I'm still being a bit cautious, but some of the stocks are just way undervalued.

352 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:48pm

re: #339 Lynn B.

If you choose to ignore that alleged "slip", knock yourself out. It was not a slip.

353 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:54pm

I can hear Obama's little girls telling Michelle that daddy smells like cigarettes.

354 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:33:56pm

re: #338 FurryOldGuyJeans

So no matter what the man says you will excuse it since you voted for him. You are an even bigger tool than I thought previously.

but calling him a drooler crosses the line...beware!
hahaha...

355 6pat6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:34:37pm

re: #339 Lynn B.

Then, of course, the ignorant bastard might actually think there are 57 US States.

356 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:34:39pm

re: #333 Iron Fist

And in other firearms news, it looks like I'll have to send my Kimber in for warranty work after all. That slipping grip problem; once I finally took the grips off, thinking I could just fix the problem with Lock-Tite, turns out that on one side, one of the screws, the whole damn stud simply comes out. THAT can't be right.

I'm disappointed, to say the least.

357 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:34:45pm

re: #333 Iron Fist

... or I could go with one in 5.56, but go with all the flat top picatinni rails to strap everything but the little baby Jesus to.

Get the 114/12A, you can strap baby Jesus, all three wise men, and two reindeer to it. Put Rudolph up front so you can use him as a lighted sight.

358 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:34:45pm

re: #327 DistantThunder

The slips are telling. There are 57 islamic states. You think that is a coincidence?

I assume you must be joking.

359 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #328 CynicalConservative

On a good year I can grow about 30% of my own food in my backyard. It takes a little bit of work and planning. The key is to jar or freeze whatever you aren't going to eat right away. Waste nothing.

360 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:00pm

re: #312 avanti

I seen this sort of thing on both the right and left. Someone makes a verbal slip, and it's blown out of proportion. The best example is the BHO 57 or whatever state slip. Does anyone actually think the POTUS does not know how many states there are, or Mccain does not know countries borders. ? Bloopers are great fun unless you make more of them then is warranted.

Yah let's give Gov Palin a break there. But BHO is a gaffe a minute president. I've seen some bad speeches he has given that the media is afraid to show.

361 TaeJohnDo  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:12pm

We dollar cost average.

I'm just afraid the average dollar won't be worth shit when we retire.

362 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:15pm

re: #341 albusteve

might be time to consider a milk cow and a butter churn...a still would be handy too

We have a steep hill. A goat might work, but not a cow.
And the goat could keep any attacking Muslims busy while I defended the house.

363 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:17pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout
Enough to sell at a Farmers Market or barter for something else?

364 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #353 HelloDare

I can hear Obama's little girls telling Michelle that daddy smells like cigarettes.

"Mommy, Daddy smells like Virginia Slims again."

365 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:41pm

re: #356 Occasional Reader

And in other firearms news, it looks like I'll have to send my Kimber in for warranty work after all. That slipping grip problem; once I finally took the grips off, thinking I could just fix the problem with Lock-Tite, turns out that on one side, one of the screws, the whole damn stud simply comes out. THAT can't be right.

I'm disappointed, to say the least.

Hopefully it's' the exception, not the rule. Regardless, don't give an inch; make them make it right.

366 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:41pm

re: #342 HelloDare

Yeah, except he lights them. Be funny to catch a photo of him standing outside the White House door smoking.

What makes you think the Messiah will go outside to smoke like the little people?

367 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:35:43pm

re: #351 avanti

I'm still being a bit cautious, but some of the stocks are just way undervalued.

In for a dime, in for a dollar. Trust in your man, avanti. Why not ride it all the way down to 6000?

368 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:01pm
Imagine, if you will, the media reaction if George Bush had made such a basic economic blunder in a time of crisis.

Yeah, I guess the media would have been sure to remind us that Bush only managed to pull about a 3.0 while matriculating at Harvard Business School.

369 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:02pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

I've also started some "heritage" tomato seeds (the seeds aren't from hybrid varieties, thus, you can gather the seeds from each year and plant -- without variation). The "heritage" seeds I have are from a tomato variety called Brandywine...(great flavor, large, but not real red in color). (I've had problems with a fungus -- damping off -- one of the "cures" is to only water sparingly, and with a bit of hydrogen peroxide mixed in). also, I've found that there's a very inexpensive product sold -- in the freezer section -- which feature frozen herbs -- so, you get, for example, over a half-cup of chopped, frozen basil -- if you thaw it, it's the real thing...I actually prefer it to buying fresh basil (the basil leaves sit in the frig and turn black in no time...)

370 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:17pm

OR,

Oh, I have one, but I consider the statements a form of dark comedy these days.

Hey, the statement might come in handy some day. You never know when you'll run out of toilet paper.

371 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:24pm

re: #366 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What makes you think the Messiah will go outside to smoke like the little people?

I get the image of Morticia Adams smoking here.

372 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:29pm

re: #362 Kosh's Shadow

We have a steep hill. A goat might work, but not a cow.
And the goat could keep any attacking Muslims busy while I defended the house.

That also works on the Wyoming boarder.

////////////////////

373 swamprat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:34pm

re: #327 DistantThunder

The slips are telling. There are 57 islamic states. You think that is a coincidence?

I think it is absolute BS. I am unable to find the list which is 57 states long. Doesn't smell right. It just smells.

374 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:44pm

re: #361 TaeJohnDo

We dollar cost average.

I'm just afraid the average dollar won't be worth shit when we retire.

375 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:36:52pm

re: #358 avanti

I assume you must be joking.

That would make sense. He mem blurred adjectives before the same noun. Happens a lot. Doesn't mean he has a preference for one or another. But does mean he has knowledge of both.

376 godfrey  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:37:17pm

We can't afford for Obama to make slips about economics, not in these conditions. This isn't playtime. He has zero margin, and he's making blunder after blunder.

377 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:37:19pm

re: #359 Killgore Trout

On a good year I can grow about 30% of my own food in my backyard. It takes a little bit of work and planning. The key is to jar or freeze whatever you aren't going to eat right away. Waste nothing.

I did well last year with tomoato's and cuc's, but didn't have the canning gear in time so gave a lot away. Lots of frozen tomato sauce that I've enjoyed over the winter though. Better prepared this year and continual composting for soil ammendment.

378 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:37:43pm

re: #362 Kosh's Shadow

We have a steep hill. A goat might work, but not a cow.
And the goat could keep any attacking Muslims busy while I defended the house.

ahaha...good thinking..."Sahib there are goats on the hillside!....RETREAT!"

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:38:04pm

re: #366 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What makes you think the Messiah will go outside to smoke like the little people?

because it's illegal to smoke in public buildings.

/

380 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:38:44pm

We're headed to soylent green.

381 Stonemason  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:38:54pm

re: #343 TheMatrix31

Except for the fact that he said 57....then continued the point and said he has "uh....one more to go, I think".

C'mon, if he had visited a bunch of states two or three times, he could have visited a hundred freakin' states. Thee is no way the man didn't know how many states there are in the union.

Now, the fact that he forgot what P/E ratios were from the time an adviser tried to explain it to the time he spoke about it, that is a bad thing.

We need to stay on point, stay on the things that actaully mean something. This crap about 57 states, her arms, his smoking, none of that matters.

His lack of knowledge matters, hammer that.

382 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:38:59pm

This is identical to trying to talk my cousin out of marrying a guy who had prison tattoos, multiple children by multiple women, was "temporarily" unemployed, had every intention of finishing school, had sketchy friends who gave her the creeps, hated his mother, was like Eddie Haskel when around our family.

Nothing we said made any difference. So she married him, and he embezzled money from her accounts and cheated on her repeatedly. We always wanted him to fail - and quickly.

383 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:01pm

re: #365 CynicalConservative

Hopefully it's' the exception, not the rule. Regardless, don't give an inch; make them make it right.

I am told that they're good about fixing what ain't right. We'll find out.

384 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:21pm

re: #361 TaeJohnDo

I'm just afraid the average dollar won't be worth shit when we retire.

Back in the day people were happy to just wake up in the morning.

385 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:23pm

re: #373 swamprat

I think it is absolute BS. I am unable to find the list which is 57 states long. Doesn't smell right. It just smells.

They're going by the OIC list - 57 member states and some observer states.

386 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #367 pink freud

In for a dime, in for a dollar. Trust in your man, avanti. Why not ride it all the way down to 6000?

fraud...all blather

387 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:29pm

re: #377 CynicalConservative

I've found that you can freeze whole tomatoes -- just put them on a tray, put them in the freezer, and voila! frozen tomatoes...(after they're frozen, you can bag them)...don't even have to turn them into sauce first...

388 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:32pm

re: #370 Dirk Diggler

OR,

Hey, the statement might come in handy some day. You never know when you'll run out of toilet paper.

Hopefully by the time I retire it'll be worth something again, seeing as I'm only 25 now. Or something like that.

389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:37pm

re: #379 ggt

because it's illegal to smoke in public buildings.

/

For us... that's my point.

390 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:39:59pm

re: #358 avanti

I assume you must be joking.

You are the one with jackass ears, not Distant Thunder.

391 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:12pm

re: #352 6pat6

If you choose to ignore that alleged "slip", knock yourself out. It was not a slip.

Um ... yes. It was. All you have to do is listen to the tape or watch the video.

But knock your own self out. This is the kind of crap that makes us look like raving idiots. BHO provides enough real material every time he opens his mouth and a lot of people are starting to realize that. But please keep on pushing them back to their comfy little blue box by raising this conspiracy shit.

/you're not helping

392 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:13pm

re: #376 godfrey

We can't afford for Obama to make slips about economics, not in these conditions. This isn't playtime. He has zero margin, and he's making blunder after blunder.

He will end up being the emperor without clothes. He can't lead. Has no experience leading. The least he could do is stop smoking.

393 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:17pm

re: #377 CynicalConservative

Try sun dried tomatoes. You can pick up a food dehydrator at a thrift store for about $5.

394 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

I am told that they're good about fixing what ain't right. We'll find out.

Hope it works out. Don't have experience with them, just Ruger, Beretta and Colt in my world. No work required to date.

395 Stonemason  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:46pm

re: #352 6pat6

If you choose to ignore that alleged "slip", knock yourself out. It was not a slip.

Okay if it was not a slip, when had he been in the 57 Islamic states to make the statement actually make any sense?

396 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:40:54pm

re: #358 avanti

I assume you must be joking.

It's called a freudian slip.

397 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:10pm

re: #364 solomonpanting

"Mommy, Daddy smells like Virginia Slims again."

LOL!

398 swamprat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:14pm

re: #373 swamprat
Found references to 56 and 57 states

399 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:20pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Try sun dried tomatoes. You can pick up a food dehydrator at a thrift store for about $5.

Isn't there a cheaper way to sun-dry tomatoes?
;)

400 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #387 J.S.

I've found that you can freeze whole tomatoes -- just put them on a tray, put them in the freezer, and voila! frozen tomatoes...

voila? You could put any kind of food in the freezer and soon enough voila they would be frozen.

401 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Park your car in the sun, roll the windows down a quarter of an inch, and put thinly sliced veggies on the dashboard and the seats.

402 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:39pm

re: #371 Kosh's Shadow

I get the image of Morticia Adams smoking here.

BLASPHEMER!

First of all, it's spelled "Addams". Secondly, don't you ever compare that wicked beauty to Obama ever again!

////LEAVE MORTICIA ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!

403 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:41:40pm

re: #387 J.S.

I've found that you can freeze whole tomatoes -- just put them on a tray, put them in the freezer, and voila! frozen tomatoes...(after they're frozen, you can bag them)...don't even have to turn them into sauce first...

Interesting..., seems to me that those would make a good adder for chili or Spaghetti sauce.

404 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:42:15pm

re: #366 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What makes you think the Messiah will go outside to smoke like the little people?

That's what would make it funny. It's so not politically correct to smoke at the White House, even the President would have to go outside.

405 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:42:18pm

re: #335 Bloodnok

This was a discussion about the economy. That is not the time to botch a simple economic term. 57 states? I'm with you -joke fodder, nothing more. But the P/E thing was the backbone of the point he was making. Unacceptable.

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

406 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:42:21pm

re: #369 J.S.

I try to use open pollinated plants as much as possible. Frequently tomatoes, collard greens and chard will just show up as volunteers in my garden.

407 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:42:35pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Try sun dried tomatoes. You can pick up a food dehydrator at a thrift store for about $5.

Will do. Thanks for the tip!

408 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:42:39pm

Actually, 57 was in reference to Heinz 57 Sauce. A secret code to contact Teresa Heinz "57 Sauce" Kerry. Her instructions was to contact the Tides Foundation who has a direct link to the instrumental leader behind the Obama Phenom: George Soros!

Void were prohibited by law.

////

409 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #401 Ojoe

Park your car in the sun, roll the windows down a quarter of an inch, and put thinly sliced veggies on the dashboard and the seats.

And then, you can take that technique to the next level.

410 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:43:34pm

-- Where -- Cripes me and my typos.

411 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:43:54pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

hmmm...most of those dehydrates, though, have a heating element..and, unfortunately, they actually cook the food (which isn't always a good thing). There's an easy improvisation (buy a box fan, get some cheap, paper furnace filters, some straps, and you can make your own dehydrator -- this was featured on "Good Eats" about how to make your own beef jerky...dried, but not cooked, meat which can last indefinitely...)

412 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:43:57pm

re: #407 CynicalConservative

Also look for those seal-a-meal vacuum storage systems. You can frequently find them at thrift stores. Well worth the investment. I use mine all the time.

413 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

Fake but accurate?

414 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:07pm

re: #384 Mich-again

Back in the day people were happy to just wake up in the morning.

My dad was telling me depression day stories. He lived on a farm and said it wasn't that bad. They did get a relief package with oranges in it. There were no lawyers around. He emphasizes that. The doctor was paid by barter. No pets to the vets. He thinks a total economic collapse would be a good thing for the country. Too many bloated institutions, doctors, lawyers etc.

415 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:09pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

the bargains are there because he gutted 50% of the market....how do you reconcile that? or do you simply disregard the facts?

416 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #379 ggt

because it's illegal to smoke in public buildings.

Not just that. Usually there is a distance away from the entrance like 50 feet that is supposed to be no smoking.

Its not supposed to be a gauntlet of smokers hanging out at the entrance door.

417 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:24pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

I KNOW. You seem not to.

/at what point do you listen to your gut?

418 dkorta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:28pm

re: #121 David Simon

> Their loan is now 113% the value of their home, making
> them "underwater" and unable to sell their house.

Should read "unable to sell their house and realize a profit on the sale."

10 years ago I had to pay my mortgage company 10 grand in addition to my buyer's offer to get rid of my old house. That was not uncommon in God Damn Amerikkka, all those years ago.

419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:29pm

re: #408 Gus 802

Actually, 57 was in reference to Heinz 57 Sauce. A secret code to contact Teresa Heinz "57 Sauce" Kerry. Her instructions was to contact the Tides Foundation who has a direct link to the instrumental leader behind the Obama Phenom: George Soros!

Void were prohibited by law.

////

The day I need a really good cover-story conspiracy, I'm knocking on your door.

/You'll keep the feds/police busy for months tracking it all down. It will be very helpful.

420 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:33pm

re: #411 J.S.

That's a good tip. Alton Brown rules.

421 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #411 J.S.

hmmm...most of those dehydrates, though, have a heating element..and, unfortunately, they actually cook the food (which isn't always a good thing). There's an easy improvisation (buy a box fan, get some cheap, paper furnace filters, some straps, and you can make your own dehydrator -- this was featured on "Good Eats" about how to make your own beef jerky...dried, but not cooked, meat which can last indefinitely...)

Sounds like we need a tips & tricks for home gardening section for the next version of the LGF cookbook!

422 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:52pm

re: #378 albusteve

ahaha...good thinking..."Sahib there are goats on the hillside!....RETREAT!"

I was thinking, well, "Achmed! Look at the goats! Naked meat!"

423 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:56pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

The problem, avanti, is that the mistake was one of many. Couple those gafes to Obama's policy failure and the picture that emerges is one of a man who hasn't a clue about economics.

424 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:44:59pm

Factoid

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization grouping fifty seven States which have decided to pool their resources together, combine their efforts and speak with one voice to safeguard the interests and secure the progress and well-being of their peoples and of all Muslims in the world.


[Link: www.oic-un.org...]

425 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:45:34pm
426 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:45:40pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Also look for those seal-a-meal vacuum storage systems. You can frequently find them at thrift stores. Well worth the investment. I use mine all the time.

Always wondered about those. Gotta be worth a try with home grown vs. overpriced grocery veggies. Thanks again.

427 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:45:42pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

I promise to be as forgiving and understanding of 0bama's mis-statements as the left was of Bush's mis-statements.

428 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:45:55pm

re: #409 Occasional Reader

COOL !

Also, water, laundry soap & dirty clothes in a 5 gallon bucket, lid on tight, with a bit of air, will wash quite well if carried all day in a pick up bed, on country roads. (especially washboard roads).

Ah, good night all.

429 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #367 pink freud

In for a dime, in for a dollar. Trust in your man, avanti. Why not ride it all the way down to 6000?

He's convinced me it's not going that low, but I don't expect to nail the very bottom, just get close. If it keeps dropping, I will move out of bonds and buy in heavier.

430 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #395 Stonemason

Okay if it was not a slip, when had he been in the 57 Islamic states to make the statement actually make any sense?

Stone, you're being far too logical here. This is nirther territory. Common sense and logic free.

Actually, I think Gus (#408) has the real scoop. /

431 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:40pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

Profits are sacred because they make everything else possible. Obama also told executives that now is Not the Time for profits, there will be time for profits in the future. WTF? He clearly does not understand economic basics that every freshman learned in Econ 101.

432 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:40pm

re: #427 gmsc

I promise to be as forgiving and understanding of 0bama's mis-statements as the left was of Bush's mis-statements.

I don't... I can do better than they did. :-)

433 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:46pm

re: #414 hazzyday

My dad was telling me depression day stories. He lived on a farm and said it wasn't that bad. They did get a relief package with oranges in it. There were no lawyers around. He emphasizes that. The doctor was paid by barter. No pets to the vets. He thinks a total economic collapse would be a good thing for the country. Too many bloated institutions, doctors, lawyers etc.

How many people live on a farm now?
How many people even know how to grow an edible plant?
It's a different world now...a a total economic collapse won't be good for anyone.

434 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:46:57pm

re: #422 Kosh's Shadow

I was thinking, well, "Achmed! Look at the goats! Naked meat!"

I thought so but it was beneath me to comment....hahaha

435 TaeJohnDo  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:00pm

re: #384 Mich-again

Thank you MA, for reminding me how small and petty I have been, worrying about my retirement and all. /s

I talked to my secretary today from my old job -- place has gone to hell. I'm not there -- I am happy. Money can't buy that. Unless you win the lotto and can afford to quit, I guess.

436 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:07pm

re: #414 hazzyday

My dad just had the family movies from the 30's put on DVD. Thats right the 30's. Gramps had an 8 mm camera, in color no less. Before the Wizard of Oz. Watching them was like watching some PBS show. I have never seen any home movies from the 30's ever. And they were all just sitting in a cigar box in a closet for decades.

437 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:16pm

OR,

Hopefully by the time I retire it'll be worth something again, seeing as I'm only 25 now. Or something like that.

Things are tough all over. I've supplemented my income by making strawman gun purchases for members of something called the "Juarez Cartel". I think they're community organizers or something.

438 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #229 avanti

My broker got me partially back in today, he's convinced we're close to the bottom. We'll see.

Ask his sorry ass what he did with his money.

439 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:22pm

re: #419 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I can write a book! Make a movie! Get a spot on MSNBC! //

Actually, I'm hungry and made a connection with 57 and thought, Heinz 57 sauce. Then I mixed it with a dose of sarcasm and some political data. ;)

440 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:51pm

re: #402 Slumbering Behemoth

BLASPHEMER!

First of all, it's spelled "Addams". Secondly, don't you ever compare that wicked beauty to Obama ever again!

////LEAVE MORTICIA ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!

Sorry! And I know how to spell it; I messed up.
I'd far prefer Gomez or even Uncle Fester as President.
Actually, Fester would be a good president. Imagine him in negotiations with Putin or Ahmenijad. They'd be terrified and run from the room.

441 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:52pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Try sun dried tomatoes. You can pick up a food dehydrator at a thrift store for about $5.

For some reason people don't think they have to go through the regular canning procedures when they put sun dried tomatoes in oil. I heard that Botulism is a real problem with homemade sun dried tomatoes in oil. At least, that's what I've heard a couple times.

442 snowcrash  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:53pm

What ever happened to a poster named JustMyView? She had a similar style as Avanti and was all over the Obama threads. It was during the campaign.

443 blink  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:47:58pm

I've been very, very, very leary of jumping on the "load your guns and stock your pantry" crazy train but I'm coming to believe O wants to bring it all down.

444 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #413 Bloodnok

Fake but accurate?

A woman can hope that when her husband calls her by another woman's name that he's make a simple mistake. You buy that?

445 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:08pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

check the teleprompter ...

446 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:16pm

re: #414 hazzyday

He thinks a total economic collapse would be a good thing for the country.

With all due respect, your dad is fantastically wrong.

447 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:16pm

re: #429 avanti

He's convinced me it's not going that low, but I don't expect to nail the very bottom, just get close. If it keeps dropping, I will move out of bonds and buy in heavier.

HOW can you believe a word that Obama says? He is so false its long since ceased to be funny.

448 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:17pm

re: #439 Gus 802

I can write a book! Make a movie! Get a spot on MSNBC! //

Actually, I'm hungry and made a connection with 57 and thought, Heinz 57 sauce. Then I mixed it with a dose of sarcasm and some political data. ;)

Whatever works, you are the artist.

449 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:27pm

re: #433 notutopia

How many people live on a farm now?
How many people even know how to grow an edible plant?
It's a different world now...a a total economic collapse won't be good for anyone.

I have knowledge of growing edible plants and firearms; I suspect I'm in a minority. (I do my own reloads too).

450 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #425 Iron Fist

A lot of his voters are keeping the faith about him having good intentions, some think he's just incompetent; but he might indeed be a true believer in the ideology he grew up around, and that's a very scary prospect.

451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #440 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry! And I know how to spell it; I messed up.
I'd far prefer Gomez or even Uncle Fester as President.
Actually, Fester would be a good president. Imagine him in negotiations with Putin or Ahmenijad. They'd be terrified and run from the room.

Go for Cousin It.

452 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:01pm

re: #429 avanti

He's convinced me it's not going that low, but I don't expect to nail the very bottom, just get close. If it keeps dropping, I will move out of bonds and buy in heavier.

When I said "your man", I meant 0bama. I believe you're talking about your broker.

He (be it your broker or your pres) convinced you how?

453 Piglet-U93  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:08pm

re: #385 gmsc

RE: 57 OIC and 3 observer states

Obama originally said he visited only 57 states and could not get to 3 of them (Alaska and Hawaii being two of those three). 57 + 3 = 60. Just a coincidence an accident like a living cell coming into existence while manufacturing its own DNA with a plan to become a human someday and create the great stimulus package that will change the universe.

454 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:10pm

re: #429 avanti

He's convinced me it's not going that low, but I don't expect to nail the very bottom, just get close. If it keeps dropping, I will move out of bonds and buy in heavier.

avanti...the moon is made out of green cheese...convinced? BO is your broker now?....what a dolt...but you are actually pretty funny

455 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:16pm

Would it be too much to ask that this administration at least rise to Carter's level of incompetence?

456 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:28pm

Letting go of Hopenchange™ is hard to do.

457 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:37pm

re: #449 CynicalConservative

I have knowledge of growing edible plants and firearms; I suspect I'm in a minority. (I do my own reloads too).

You can grow firearms?!?!?! Hot damn!

458 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:49pm

re: #442 snowcrash

What ever happened to a poster named JustMyView? She had a similar style as Avanti and was all over the Obama threads. It was during the campaign.

I sparred with JMV a few times, always wondered what happened. Avanti is mostly a GAZE for me.

459 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:49pm

re: #451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Go for Cousin It.

Doc Brown from Back to the Future

460 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:49:59pm

re: #443 blink

I've been very, very, very leary of jumping on the "load your guns and stock your pantry" crazy train but I'm coming to believe O wants to bring it all down.

I don't think we're anywhere near there, nor will we go there.

But it's always good to have a certain amount of "Plan C" thinking.

461 Stonemason  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:14pm

re: #352 6pat6

Still waiting for the answer to my question at 395.

When exactly did Mr. Obama visit the 56 or 57 Islamic states that would have made the entire 'non-slip' make sense?

462 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:29pm

re: #440 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry! And I know how to spell it; I messed up.
I'd far prefer Gomez or even Uncle Fester as President.
Actually, Fester would be a good president. Imagine him in negotiations with Putin or Ahmenijad. They'd be terrified and run from the room.

Uncle Fester would be a great solution to the energy crisis.

463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:30pm

re: #455 irongrampa

Would it be too much to ask that this administration at least rise to Carter's level of incompetence?

Yes. They are setting whole new levels for incompetence in their effort to truly ruin the country.

464 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:43pm

re: #455 irongrampa

Would it be too much to ask that this administration at least rise to Carter's level of incompetence?

Yes, it would be too much.
Sequels are worse than the originals.
This is like Star Wars episodes I,II,III compared with the first set, episodes IV, V, VI.

And come to think of it, 0bama does have something to do with the dark side of the force.

465 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:45pm

re: #449 CynicalConservative

I have knowledge of growing edible plants and firearms; I suspect I'm in a minority. (I do my own reloads too).

Definitely, a minority.
Kudos for your ingenuity!

466 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:50:49pm

Is this the future for our kids and grandkids?

I am surprised it it still on YouTube...the last few minutes are alarming, but I have to wonder if this is what The One's goal is.

467 lobo91  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:14pm

re: #376 godfrey

We can't afford for Obama to make slips about economics, not in these conditions. This isn't playtime. He has zero margin, and he's making blunder after blunder.

Remembr what Biden said not too long ago, about how even if they do everything perfectly, there's still a 30% chance they'll screw up the economic recovery.

Anyone out there think they're doing things perfectly?

468 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:14pm

re: #457 SteveC

You can grow firearms?!?!?! Hot damn!

Ancient chinese secret.... :-)

469 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:16pm
470 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:18pm

re: #462 gmsc

Uncle Fester would be a great solution to the energy crisis.

But can Fester light up compact fluorescents?

471 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:23pm

re: #459 HoosierHoops

Doc Brown from Back to the Future

No way... he made laughed at the idea of RWR being president.

472 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #387 J.S.

I've found that you can freeze whole tomatoes -- just put them on a tray, put them in the freezer, and voila! frozen tomatoes...(after they're frozen, you can bag them)...don't even have to turn them into sauce first...

I'm no expert, but wouldn't it be better to bag them first? Do you wash them first? And, how well do they thaw?

just asking, really.

473 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:42pm

re: #443 blink

I've been very, very, very leary of jumping on the "load your guns and stock your pantry" crazy train but I'm coming to believe O wants to bring it all down.

Like Bill Clinton who wished that 911 happened on his watch, undoubtedly Obama would have loved to preside over the new Orleans debacle primarily to be the SAvior. That is the point of all the new seals that will accompany the new projects - to give glory and credit to the president.

474 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:43pm

re: #405 avanti

You should work for the media or be press secretary, you spin everything so furiously.

475 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:51:43pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

hmmm...yes, here in Canada and the Uk they're called "heritage" tomatoes, in the States they're referred to as "heirloom"...wiki article here...

476 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:12pm

re: #415 albusteve

the bargains are there because he gutted 50% of the market....how do you reconcile that? or do you simply disregard the facts?

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

477 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:22pm

re: #469 Iron Fist

You said it much better than I would have. I mean, you didn't use the word "fuck" once! How the fuck did you manage to fuckin' do that?

I'm half-watching "Battlestar Galactica" so I have "frak" on the mind.

478 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #470 Kosh's Shadow

But can Fester light up compact fluorescents?

...and is he carbon neutral?

479 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:39pm

What scares stock buyers away are the bankruptcy laws that make the real assets a company has vanish in all the paperwork. If the bankruptcy laws even partially rewarded the investors who either stayed in or got in at the low point, lots of folks would be jumping in the game right now. As it is, everyone seems to be waiting for the show to drop and maybe get in then.

480 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:40pm

re: #456 Sharmuta

Letting go of Hopenchange™ is hard to do.

considering it's addictive quality, yes indeed....it is the new dope

481 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:52:47pm

re: #433 notutopia

How many people live on a farm now?
How many people even know how to grow an edible plant?
It's a different world now...a a total economic collapse won't be good for anyone.

Yep, I wouldn't make it. I need some Mormon friends. I would only last a few days in a big collapse.

482 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:53:30pm

Obama reminds me of a twenty something kid who is testing the waters in an attempt to find himself..... in an attempt to define himself...feeling the need to shoot off his mouth about anything (and everything) to impress those around him.

In a twenty-two year old, we can all smile and write this off as youth and immaturity.....

In this president, I have to agree with Mandy on gross narcissism.

483 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:11pm

re: #476 avanti

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

Did you ever cut President Bush this much slack? Just wondering.

484 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #476 avanti

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

It's all Bush's fault!

/doesn't that ever get old?

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:38pm

I did not know what it meant either.

Of course, I am not the President of the United States of America.

486 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:47pm

re: #468 CynicalConservative

Ancient chinese secret.... :-)

You use Calgon to grow firearms?

487 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:49pm

re: #484 pink freud

It's all Bush's fault!

/doesn't that ever get old?

....and don't you feel like a lil shit just for saying it?

488 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:54:52pm

re: #441 HelloDare

Once I dry them I vacuum seal them in bags and store them in the fridge. I soak small batches (about a 2 month supply) in olive oil. After 2-3 months I start a new batch. I haven't had any problems. I suspect people don't dry them well enough. That can cause problems.

489 3 wood  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:05pm

Good evening.

The S&P is now down approximately 20% since Obama was elected. The savings of decades has been wiped out by this guy.

The reason why the guy misspoke about P/E ratio's etc is he does not understand how markets work. I don't think Karl Marx had a whole lot about stock valuation models in Das Kapital.

We have a Treasury Secretary who has shown himself to be nothing but a clueless tax cheat, and a President who is very good at destroying wealth.

I look for the Dow and the S&P to lose another 15% to 20% with these clown in charge. The market had discounted for the recession in December.

Now you have massive sell offs happening due to the incompetance of Obama.
I have been getting call after call from retired friends who have seen half their life saving evaporate in the last few months, and they have no hope that Obama will do anything but further wreck the economy.

If Obama is so worried about the long term, then why is he not worried out our children and grandchildren who he is saddling with all this debt?

490 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:13pm

Anybody else listen to the 911 call by the idiot who was upset that McDonald's ran out of McNuggets?

Any bets she voted for Obummer?

491 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:13pm

Obama: Bush government tried to undermine unions

President Barack Obama said on Tuesday the Bush administration had tried to undermine organized labor and he assured U.S. labor leaders they would always have a "place at the table" under his presidency.

"We need to level the playing field for workers and the unions that represent their interests," Obama said in prepared remarks for a video address to the executive board of the AFL-CIO, the largest U.S. labor federation, meeting in Miami.

/you know, because you can't effectively drive major U.S. industries into the ground without unions

492 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:22pm

re: #456 Sharmuta

Letting go of Hopenchange™ is hard to do.


No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

493 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #476 avanti

turn it around? All I have heard is Obama talking trash (oh yeah, with the one
misinformed exception)

494 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #429 avanti

He's convinced me it's not going that low, but I don't expect to nail the very bottom, just get close. If it keeps dropping, I will move out of bonds and buy in heavier.

Your broker is applying market principles. But that's no longer what's at play. Obama and Geithner have now inspired such a monumental failure of confidence that every time they speak the markets plunge. This has nothing to do with fundamentals or economic principles. It's got to do with the panic that sets in when you realize your plane is plunging from 14,000 (now 6726) feet and the pilot doesn't even know where the controls are or what the gauges mean.

Ooops.

495 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:51pm

re: #440 Kosh's Shadow

As long as we're going with that theme, I want Lurch for Press Secretary. I can just see him responding to questions from Helen Thomas...

496 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:51pm

I notice this every day at my work. People put in high positions because they constantly repeat industry buzzwords but dont have clue what they mean.

497 wee fury  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:55:56pm

I had a 401K.
Seems to have gone missing.

498 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:56:29pm

re: #476 avanti

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

Shoring up the BANKS made sense, and should have been enough.
Team Obama has squandered the breather it provided.

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:56:33pm

re: #481 hazzyday

Dude, if I were a Mormon, I wouldn't last long either.

I'd keep handing out food.

500 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:56:37pm

re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd have to say the same thing myself. However, it is rare for a president to make these comments. Obama went ahead and in his usual "looking at himself in the mirror style" took it upon himself to play expert.

When in doubt, keep the mouth shut.

501 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:56:39pm

re: #484 pink freud

Yes it does.

It's all Adam Smith's fault.

/

502 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:56:43pm
503 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:57:01pm

I think anyone who blames this on either President -- Bush or Obama -- is an un-serious person whose opinions should be summarily rejected.

Some things, darn it, are just complex and ugly.

504 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:57:09pm

re: #489 3 wood

Your timing is impeccable. Good evening.

505 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:57:26pm

re: #476 avanti

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

there are three or four things that BO could do that would instantly dump billions into the economy and reverse this slide in 48 hrs....you know that...you are part of the problem and not the solution...you are a drooler that can't even take care of yourself...you are an enemy of free men that's why I distain your opinion...I will be as relentless as you....blaming Bush will not rescue you

506 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:57:45pm

re: #477 Occasional Reader

I'm half-watching "Battlestar Galactica" so I have "frak" on the mind.

I watch that to cheer up at the end of the week.
Why does it seem like the country is run by a bunch of Cylon skin jobs trying to frak the country?

507 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #502 HelloDare

Betcha these guys are doing great business.

$3,000 for a year's supply of canned foods? That sounds like a great price...

508 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:21pm

That's right. "Un-serious."

I'm not scared to make 'em up as I go.

509 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:26pm

Saying P/E ratio is anything other than price-to-earnings devolves it of all meaning. And the mistake he made makes it really bad.

Profit and earnings ratio? Ratios measure one thing against another. The point is to get a proportion. Martinis have a large proportion of gin and a small proportion of vermouth.

It's something you learn in grade school. Anyone who thinks before opening his mouth would wonder why some fool wants to divide these two things - what's the point? ? ? It's like saying bourbon straight has a proportion of bourbon and a proportion of - you know - more bourbon.

The O babbles on, and all the sycophants make excuses. The emperor has no clothes.

What gets me is that he is such a fucking poseur - he acts so erudite with the white folks, then falls on his face. He talks street slang to the brothers and gets away with it, even though it is a foreign language to him.

AND - it's that he is using his flippant, ignorant, socialist, statist, ruinous policy to grow government at the worst possible time and in the most ham-fisted way I've seen since the Iron Curtain tipped over.

510 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:34pm

re: #476 avanti

Because he did not gut the market, the world economy is in the shitter and has been for months. Do you recall the collapse being the issue in the lead up to the election ? GW started throwing money at it and who knows where it will end.
No one expecting the POTUS to turn it around in weeks or even months.

Capital is on strike. Obama's policies are bad for business. Investors are hoarding their cash because there is no incentive for risk. Remember when Charlie Gibson tried to explain twice in one of the debates that tax revenues DECREASED when capital gains taxes are raised. Obama mad a lame answer of maybe they will, and maybe they won't but the point is to be fair. Romney a financial genius and turn around expert said Obama is doing exactly the OPPOSITE of what would encourage investment and stimulus.

The Congressional Budget Office agrees with Romney.

511 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:43pm

I doubt Obama and his gang could even run a hotdog cart properly.

512 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:58:46pm

re: #475 J.S.

That list reminds me about Yellow Pear tomatoes! I haven't grown those in the past few years. They are small like cherry tomatoes and very sweet. Very productive and they dry really well (they become even sweeter when dried) excellent in winter salads. I'll pick up some seeds later this week. Thanks for the reminder.

513 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #476 avanti

And yet the markets are down 25% since 20 January 2009. No matter how you spin it the economy in the shitter, as you so quaintly put it, now is wholly owned by O and the Democrat Controlled Congress. NOTHING the man has done has improved or even remotely stabilized the markets. This has been a sustained contraction of nearly unprecedented proportions, and no end is sight is exactly what your man is doing.

514 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:09pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

With all due respect, your dad is fantastically wrong.

He has always been a doom and gloomer. One bad year out of 50 and that will validate him for the next 50. The problem is though that he won't invest. He is always scared of the risk. It means always to be poor then. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

515 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:21pm

re: #483 Sharmuta

Did you ever cut President Bush this much slack? Just wondering.

I did not agree with a lot of his policies, but feel he was ill advised, not evil.

516 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #501 unclassifiable

Yes it does.

It's all Adam Smith's fault.

/

"Adam Smith needs revision..."

517 SteveC  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:43pm

re: #481 hazzyday

Yep, I wouldn't make it. I need some Mormon friends. I would only last a few days in a big collapse.

I live in a rural area, there are gardens and rows of edible plants all over the place. That's not a problem. I get my water from a spring in the back yard that dad built when he built the place. That's not a problem.

I need my medication to live. THERE'S the problem! How many of us are on medication for what ails us?

If there was a big collapse, you'd have a flurry of looting and riots that would calm down fairly soon. But after 30, 60, 90 days, when their medicine runs out, people start dying.

518 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:59:48pm

re: #489 3 wood


If Obama is so worried about the long term, then why is he not worried out our children and grandchildren who he is saddling with all this debt?

Don't you understand when he says he must do what he sees fit for the: children....grandchildren...great-grandchildren.......?

519 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:00:03pm

re: #491 Killian Bundy

Obama: Bush government tried to undermine unions

/you know, because you can't effectively drive major U.S. industries into the ground without unions

Detroit is a union dytopia. Average house price $7500.

520 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:00:05pm

re: #472 itellu3times

If you bag them first, they may stick together in one huge lump...(it's the same with freezing strawberries...if you take a tray, line the tray with parchment paper, then place each individual strawberry on the tray, then freeze them whole, then after they're frozen, bag the berries, each berry will then be separate..you could take out 3 indivudal frozen strawberries if you wished..as opposed to having one massive glob.)...When the tomatoes are thawed, they're not really good for anything other than making into a sauce -- the freezing changes the texture, so they're broken down (not like a fresh tomato.)

521 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:00:18pm

re: #483 Sharmuta

Did you ever cut President Bush this much slack? Just wondering.

No. He says he had, but every time he uses GW as an example it is just another bash session.

522 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:00:27pm

One thing Obama could do to help the market would be to go on vacation and take his team of idiots with him. My observation is that in the minutes his ass is off TV the market tries to recover. Then he or one of his minions open their yaps and fuck it up again, and everyone is beginning to see that and starting to recognize that it is no accident. Complex? Accident? Intentional?

523 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #503 Cognito

I think anyone who blames this on either President -- Bush or Obama -- is an un-serious person whose opinions should be summarily rejected.

Some things, darn it, are just complex and ugly.

Wow ...those are some powers of equivalency there, cog.

You're not really saying that Bush's fiscal policies were anywhere near on par with what we've seen from this new person in the last six weeks?

524 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:01:08pm

re: #503 Cognito

Why do you keep injecting non-cosmopolitan euphemisms into your comments? It's really corny and particularly so from you.

525 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:01:09pm

re: #399 gmsc

Isn't there a cheaper way to sun-dry tomatoes?
;)

That might depend on your climate. In my neck of the woods, tomatoes would get moldy and goopy - they'd never dry.

526 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:01:23pm

re: #515 avanti

So you never gave as much of a chance to GW as you demand we give to O. What a fucking asshole.

527 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:01:43pm

Obama is a "community organizer", investing to him means gov spending. Of course the rest of us living in reality and doing real investing means saving and understanding basic stock market principles like PEs etc. He's utterly clueless when it comes to anything outside leftest dialectic. Hopefully we're only screwed for several years until the country realizes that the bunch of bull that's spewing from Washington is f*cking all of us over.

528 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:09pm

re: #509 Catttt

Saying P/E ratio is anything other than price-to-earnings devolves it of all meaning. And the mistake he made makes it really bad.

Profit and earnings ratio? Ratios measure one thing against another. The point is to get a proportion. Martinis have a large proportion of gin and a small proportion of vermouth.

I think he meant the Provide/Engels ratio. This bailout is just too big and ripe for political corruption. No one will ever be able to account for it, except to say they paid a cost.

529 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:16pm

re: #513 FurryOldGuyJeans

And yet the markets are down 25% since 20 January 2009. No matter how you spin it the economy in the shitter, as you so quaintly put it, now is wholly owned by O and the Democrat Controlled Congress. NOTHING the man has done has improved or even remotely stabilized the markets. This has been a sustained contraction of nearly unprecedented proportions, and no end is sight is exactly what your man is doing.

he says BO tells him it will bottom out at 6000...then he turns around and cries nobody knows where it will end....avanti is drivel and helpless...he knows he is defeated with this issue but he like my abuse so he keeps posting....

530 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:16pm

re: #489 3 wood

With zero chance of market capitalization and and 80% ownership in AIG and soon to have a controlling interest in most of the major banks, is it fair to say that the government is going to call the shots on who is going to get growth and startup funding?

531 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:30pm

re: #503 Cognito

Do you always talk out of your ass, or is this just a temporary trend?

532 venomx  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:40pm

re: #476 avanti

Just wait till his tax and(non) energy policies take effect.Im sure people will be stimulated when their electric and gas bills jump 20-50%.

533 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:40pm

Just a tremendous amount of Apocalypse talk making the rounds lately. I doubt that the people who are speaking so have any real idea of what such a situation really would be like, though. Likely most of it is simple venting.

However, the Boy Scout in me sees nothing wrong with having a hefty supply of food with a long shelf life.

534 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:41pm

Profit Earnings Radio
It plummets nicely when I say,
It bobs up and down day-to-day,
It rubs the lotion on its skin,
or else it gets the hose again.

535 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:44pm

re: #505 albusteve

there are three or four things that BO could do that would instantly dump billions into the economy and reverse this slide in 48 hrs....you know that...you are part of the problem and not the solution...you are a drooler that can't even take care of yourself...you are an enemy of free men that's why I distain your opinion...I will be as relentless as you....blaming Bush will not rescue you

I don't often agree with you, but damn, +1.

536 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #515 avanti

I did not agree with a lot of his policies, but feel he was ill advised, not evil.

answer her question...

537 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:06pm

re: #523 pink freud

Wow ...those are some powers of equivalency there, cog.

You're not really saying that Bush's fiscal policies were anywhere near on par with what we've seen from this new person in the last six weeks?

Of course not. I'm saying neither man caused the economic collapse. Full stop.

538 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:06pm

re: #527 Dominic Yeso

Obama is a "community organizer", investing to him means gov spending. Of course the rest of us living in reality and doing real investing means saving and understanding basic stock market principles like PEs etc. He's utterly clueless when it comes to anything outside leftest dialectic. Hopefully we're only screwed for several years until the country realizes that the bunch of bull that's spewing from Washington is f*cking all of us over.

Community organizer on the left = political operative.

539 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:37pm

re: #489 3 wood

Good evening.

The S&P is now down approximately 20% since Obama was elected. The savings of decades has been wiped out by this guy.

The reason why the guy misspoke about P/E ratio's etc is he does not understand how markets work. I don't think Karl Marx had a whole lot about stock valuation models in Das Kapital.

We have a Treasury Secretary who has shown himself to be nothing but a clueless tax cheat, and a President who is very good at destroying wealth.

I look for the Dow and the S&P to lose another 15% to 20% with these clown in charge. The market had discounted for the recession in December.

Now you have massive sell offs happening due to the incompetance of Obama.
I have been getting call after call from retired friends who have seen half their life saving evaporate in the last few months, and they have no hope that Obama will do anything but further wreck the economy.

If Obama is so worried about the long term, then why is he not worried out our children and grandchildren who he is saddling with all this debt?

Here's what Obama is up to:

Cloward-Piven.

I know I've beaten this drum a lot lately, but Obama is failing so badly that I can't see any other explanation.

540 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #510 DistantThunder

Romney a financial genius and turn around expert said Obama is doing exactly the OPPOSITE of what would encourage investment and stimulus.

Not to mention, exactly the opposite of what Reagan did in 1981, which turned around a recessionary economy on a dime.

And as I've said before, I have yet to hear Team Obama or Congressional Dems even ATTEMPT to explain why it worked then, but can't work now, and instead we have to spend trillions and partially socialize the economy.

541 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:49pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

That list reminds me about Yellow Pear tomatoes! I haven't grown those in the past few years. They are small like cherry tomatoes and very sweet. Very productive and they dry really well (they become even sweeter when dried) excellent in winter salads. I'll pick up some seeds later this week. Thanks for the reminder.

Dammit! I'm running out of ft2 for these great ideas!

542 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:03:59pm

re: #515 avanti

I did not agree with a lot of his policies, but feel he was ill advised, not evil.

I didn't ask you if you thought Bush was evil- just if you cut him any slack ever.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:04:26pm

re: #503 Cognito

Either guy inherits this weather.

Give me Sully over Jonas Grumby any day.

544 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:04:36pm

re: #517 SteveC

I live in a rural area, there are gardens and rows of edible plants all over the place. That's not a problem. I get my water from a spring in the back yard that dad built when he built the place. That's not a problem.

I need my medication to live. THERE'S the problem! How many of us are on medication for what ails us?

If there was a big collapse, you'd have a flurry of looting and riots that would calm down fairly soon. But after 30, 60, 90 days, when their medicine runs out, people start dying.

That's a good point. My first responder class recommended to keep a supply of meds needed even if old. Enough til stability.

545 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:04:37pm

re: #511 Maximu§

I doubt Obama and his gang could even run a hotdog cart properly.

I don't guess he, his wife, or his kids ever ran a lemonade stand...
nah. It was easier to become "community organizers" who canvas the neighborhood for others donations.

546 boy hits car  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:04:52pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

Look, the only thing related to the stock market that Obama should be saying is that he is suspending the Capital Gains Tax. He can actually do something so simple to help, but he just can't seem to do it. If he really believes there are bargains out there then help facilitate the process.

547 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:04:55pm

re: #503 Cognito

So you acknowledge that this started with Carter and Clinton.

548 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:05:00pm

re: #508 Cognito

Just like the rest of the FMSM, why bother with facts when you can just make shit up.

549 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #537 Cognito

Of course not. I'm saying neither man caused the economic collapse. Full stop.

Thing is, Obama is currently making it worse than it has to be.

550 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:05:11pm

re: #524 Sharmuta

Why do you keep injecting non-cosmopolitan euphemisms into your comments? It's really corny and particularly so from you.

he does it to belittle people like me...he's not fooling anyone...and to think I used to defend him when people spoke ill of him behind his back...I've learned

551 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:05:15pm

re: #537 Cognito

Of course not. I'm saying neither man caused the economic collapse. Full stop.

*groan*

/bangs head on wall.

Ok, ok, lesson learned.

/full stop.

552 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Either guy inherits this weather.

Give me Sully over Jonas Grumby any day.

Me too. That's not what I was addressing, but sure -- me too.

553 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:07pm

re: #546 boy hits car

Look, the only thing related to the stock market that Obama should be saying is that he is suspending the Capital Gains Tax. He can actually do something so simple to help, but he just can't seem to do it.

Because that would help evil rich people!

(Yeah, avanti, Team Obama's class warfare language is definitely helping, don't you think?)

554 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:10pm

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

Here's what Obama is up to:

Cloward-Piven.

I know I've beaten this drum a lot lately, but Obama is failing so badly that I can't see any other explanation.

Cool, another conspiracy theory to promote.

555 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:15pm

re: #530 unclassifiable

With zero chance of market capitalization and and 80% ownership in AIG and soon to have a controlling interest in most of the major banks, is it fair to say that the government is going to call the shots on who is going to get growth and startup funding?

What republican would do business with these fascist government controlled organizations. B of A now says taking the government's whore money has too many strings and was a big mistake. How d'you like your sugar daddy now?

556 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:26pm

Meanwhile, someone has given Michelle her mission orders ... Michelle is going to "help" military families.

Reminds me of that wonderful Saudi prince who wanted to "help" New York City.

557 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:44pm

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

Here's what Obama is up to:

Cloward-Piven.

I know I've beaten this drum a lot lately, but Obama is failing so badly that I can't see any other explanation.

Perhaps they want it to "all come down" in order to pick up the pieces and restructure their way.

558 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:06:54pm

re: #554 avanti

Cool, another conspiracy theory to promote.

I give up. GAZE

559 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:07:23pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Wow! How about that -- I grow Year Pear tomatoes too -- but i haven't ever dried them...they're extremely productive (think I'll try drying them this year). Thanks, Killgore!

560 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:07:37pm

re: #516 gmsc

Yup that's socialism.

No one gets the blonde.

561 Macker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:07:57pm

re: #122 Salem

"10,000 dead in Kansas!"

There fixed that for ya!

562 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:08:02pm

Well, a lot of companies right now have a damn low P and NO E.

563 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:08:17pm

New proposal for an economic recovery plan: 0bama shuts the f**k up!

564 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:08:22pm

re: #542 Sharmuta

I didn't ask you if you thought Bush was evil- just if you cut him any slack ever.

He answered you with his off-the-cuff "evil" remark. Slack is only for Dems and O.

565 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:08:36pm

re: #533 irongrampa

Its not an Apocalypse but a gradual surrender to nonsensical economic policies that pisses me off. Wealth is not something to squander and then have a blase attitude about it.

566 unclassifiable  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:08:50pm

re: #555 DistantThunder

Serves them right.

567 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:09:00pm

re: #551 pink freud

Worse than avanti, frankly.

568 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:09:30pm

re: #557 Maximu§

Perhaps they want it to "all come down" in order to pick up the pieces and restructure their way.

That's precisely the point of that strategy.

569 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:09:51pm

re: #549 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, Obama is currently making it worse than it has to be.

The more people that are out of work the more people will rely to the government and unions to get them out of it. He's creating dependence on the federal government. It's as simple as that.

Then if/when he does release the safety valves people will say "look what he did...for us". He's just making the people BEG for it.

The glass of water I drank when I was really thirsty sure did taste better than the one I drank when I wasn't.

570 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:10:06pm

re: #556 OldLineTexan

Meanwhile, someone has given Michelle her mission orders ... Michelle is going to "help" military families.

Reminds me of that wonderful Saudi prince who wanted to "help" New York City.

Reagan's 10 most frightening words: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

2009 version: "I'm from the Obama administration, and I'm here to help...but I can't just give this away for nothing....."

571 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #549 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, Obama is currently making it worse than it has to be.

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix. With Obama's luck, it'll make a major move up in the summer of 2010.

572 3putt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:10:20pm

It's not just Obama. Consider these comments from WH spokesman Gibbs. The premise that "What is good for Wall St is good for Main Street." has been PROVEN false. Kept constantly referring to the "investor class". Unbelievable. Someone needs to hit these guys with a clue bat.

573 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:13pm
574 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:22pm

re: #568 TheMatrix31

That's precisely the point of that strategy.

Kind of like burning down the house in order to remodel it.

575 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:44pm

re: #571 avanti

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix. With Obama's luck, it'll make a major move up in the summer of 2010.

Well there's fixing and then there's making things worse on purpose.

576 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:46pm

re: #569 Bloodnok

The more people that are out of work the more people will rely to the government and unions to get them out of it. He's creating dependence on the federal government. It's as simple as that.

Then if/when he does release the safety valves people will say "look what he did...for us". He's just making the people BEG for it.

The glass of water I drank when I was really thirsty sure did taste better than the one I drank when I wasn't.

This is so much a replay of FDR and his New Deal, but on a much grander scale. FDR started the desire for Socialism, O is making it an addictive craving hoping we all become dependency junkies.

577 Macker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:48pm

re: #572 3putt

It's not just Obama. Consider these comments from WH spokesman Gibbs. The premise that "What is good for Wall St is good for Main Street." has been PROVEN false. Kept constantly referring to the "investor class". Unbelievable. Someone needs to hit these guys with a clue bat.

Where's Mandy?

578 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:48pm

re: #405 avanti

OK, but he was talking off the cuff, price or profit to earnings made no difference in the point he was trying to make. There are bargains out there if you are in for long term gain. I hope he knew the difference and just misspoke, but we'll never know.

Bush advised Obama to not talk off the cuff. DONT DO IT BARACK, DONT DO IT.

579 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:51pm

re: #569 Bloodnok

The more people that are out of work the more people will rely to the government and unions to get them out of it. He's creating dependence on the federal government. It's as simple as that.

Then if/when he does release the safety valves people will say "look what he did...for us". He's just making the people BEG for it.

The glass of water I drank when I was really thirsty sure did taste better than the one I drank when I wasn't.

REminds me of Hamas. Create Chaos, limit people's options for services, provide minimal services that keep people weak and desperate and dependent.

580 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:11:54pm

re: #541 CynicalConservative

Dammit! I'm running out of ft2 for these great ideas!

Think in 3 dimensions and you'll find plenty of space. Things like tomatoes, snow peas, green beans etc can be grown on a trellis among your other veggies. I have about 12 raised beds and I make a trellis on the north side of each bed (so it doesn't block light in the spring and fall) for vertical growing plants.

581 blink  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:12:30pm

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the link. This is really the only type of thing that makes sense at this point.

582 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:12:39pm

re: #571 avanti

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix. With Obama's luck, it'll make a major move up in the summer of 2010.

that's precisely why you are an idiot...you ignore facts and history and reason and therefore are basically helpless, and I resent having to work my ass off to cover for you and your drooler minions...

583 Summersong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:12:40pm

Here ya go O -

Interpreting the Price/Earnings Ratio

[Link: economics.about.com...]

584 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:12:45pm

re: #571 avanti

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix..

Ah, so since nobody knows, one plan is as good as another, right? We might as well, oh, I dunno, promise to confiscate success, and declare war against the "rich", because it's as good as any other plan!

Are you actually reading what you're posting?

585 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:01pm

re: #571 avanti

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix. With Obama's luck, it'll make a major move up in the summer of 2010.

Great- so we're banking, literally, on 0bama's luck?!

586 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:03pm

Uncle Sam empties the barn

Excerpt:

We can guess the ending. The party is the event of the year. As expected, in the morning the yard is a mess and the barn is empty save a few bales littered here and there. Uncle Sam is still around, seated at the breakfast table, looking tired but happy. Bob is irate, "Sam, how could you do that? It's all gone; my savings, my future."

Uncle Sam is unshaken. "Look, I used your hay to stimulate the local economy -- it was a real boom, wasn't it? And don't worry, your barn will soon burst with hay once the multiplier takes over. Trust me."

"Multiplier?" Bob shakes his head. He knows the hard work involved in the production process. And Bob knows that it is only hard work that leads to savings and a future.

Read the whole thing.

587 Stonemason  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:11pm

re: #571 avanti

Cutting taxes on capital gains will help.
Telling people that he is going to raise taxes is hurting.

Please admit there is a difference.

588 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:11pm

re: #556 OldLineTexan

Meanwhile, someone has given Michelle her mission orders ... Michelle is going to "help" military families.

Reminds me of that wonderful Saudi prince who wanted to "help" New York City.

This military family doesn't want Michelle Obama's "help".

589 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:15pm

re: #515 avanti

I did not agree with a lot of his policies, but feel he was ill advised, not evil.

How subjective you are. Feeeeeeeeeeeeeelingggssss - whoa whoa whoa...

So we know you didn't agree with "policies" and you "feel" some third party gave bad advice and the subject was not "evil."

Vague and emotional. No content.

590 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:18pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Think in 3 dimensions and you'll find plenty of space. Things like tomatoes, snow peas, green beans etc can be grown on a trellis among your other veggies. I have about 12 raised beds and I make a trellis on the north side of each bed (so it doesn't block light in the spring and fall) for vertical growing plants.

Again, thanks! Have many ideas for maximizing area and these suggestions help.

591 NonNativeTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:19pm

One simple law to deal with CEO "high" compensation.
Pass a law in which stock options cannot be exercised until
five years after the person has retired or left the corporation the options
are optioned against. This would prevent CEOs from making short term
decisions to get the stock price up so they can cash out and leave the
ordinary shareholder holding the bag.

592 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:42pm

re: #559 J.S.

Have you ever tried to make a sauce with them? I'll bet it would be delicious but the color might be a little strange.

593 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:45pm

re: #572 3putt

Populism. What's ironic is that a lot of Americans will buy into that "stick it to the man" mentality. Even the very same people whose retirement accounts are tied into Wall Street investments. This includes Main Street.

594 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:13:59pm

The Pelosi/Reid/Obamabi Machine are trying to use taxes to modify citizen's behavior. Energy Tax, etc. I don't think they truly have an understanding of the equation: cost of running government/taxpayers = tax.

They seem to operate on the idea that they can tax things they don't like: cigarettes, electricity, coal, gasoline, people who earn money, corporations that produce goods, etc. and hope there is enough money there to pay some of the bills.

tax is not a punishment (technically) it is the cost of a civilized society.

595 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:14:06pm

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

596 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:14:13pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Think in 3 dimensions and you'll find plenty of space. Things like tomatoes, snow peas, green beans etc can be grown on a trellis among your other veggies. I have about 12 raised beds and I make a trellis on the north side of each bed (so it doesn't block light in the spring and fall) for vertical growing plants.

I have seen TV adverts for inverted hanging tomato planters. I am seriously thinking of starting my own Economic Victory Garden since O has declared outright warfare on us and the American economy.

597 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:14:41pm

Dr. Obama: We're not really sure what will cure your cancer, sir. So here... try drinking this drain cleaner, maybe that'll work.

Avanti: Genius!

598 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:14:50pm

re: #554 avanti

Cool, another conspiracy theory to promote.

It's not a conspiracy theory

599 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #594 ggt

The Pelosi/Reid/Obamabi Machine are trying to use taxes to modify citizen's behavior. Energy Tax, etc. I don't think they truly have an understanding of the equation: cost of running government/taxpayers = tax.

They seem to operate on the idea that they can tax things they don't like: cigarettes, electricity, coal, gasoline, people who earn money, corporations that produce goods, etc. and hope there is enough money there to pay some of the bills.

tax is not a punishment (technically) it is the cost of a civilized society.

well said....plain and simple

600 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:01pm

Sorry, Falcon.

Got to tell the truth on that -- I just deeply disagree about the nutty 'Cloward-Piven strategy.'

601 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:10pm

re: #571 avanti

I'm not sure if anyone on either side knows what will make it better. Obama's nerds have one idea, but there are a dozen others. The only thing everyone agrees on, is that it will not be a quick fix. With Obama's luck, it'll make a major move up in the summer of 2010.

Things that will make me more confident.

1. Keep trade going.
2. Dump the IRS
3. CEO's in jail.
4. Break up the banks, etc into smaller groups that can serve the invisible hand, not manipulate it. Instead of nationalizing them.

602 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #567 Sharmuta

Worse than avanti, frankly.

Brings to mind an old saying: Slick as owl's shit.

603 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:31pm

re: #592 Killgore Trout

Have you ever tried to make a sauce with them? I'll bet it would be delicious but the color might be a little strange.

My hunger and taste buds don't care a lot about off-color produce as long as it is not decomposing.

604 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:32pm

re: #554 avanti

Cool, another conspiracy theory to promote.

Not a real conspiracy, more a group of people who think alike. Obama got his political education from people who believed in Cloward-Piven and worse. He sat for 20 years in the church of a man who holds views profoundly hostile to our nation. I'd say my argument is fairly solid.

605 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:36pm

re: #598 ggt

Yeah, it is. I know a lot of people here believe in it but it's simply not true.

606 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:38pm

re: #565 Dominic Yeso

I agree. We (wife& I) won our personal war on poverty after a hella lot of hard work, and I'm not going to see it pissed away by some buttbag like Obama.
Thanks to a very smart financial advisor who looked ahead, we're going to be okay, unless the currency totally collapses. That would definitely be a lousy deal.

607 J.S.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Here's the Alton Brown recipe for Beef Jerky (oh, when or if you use his suggestion for making a dehydrator, make sure that the furnace filters are made of 100 percent paper, and that the filters do not contain any noxious metal/chemicals, etc.)

608 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:57pm
609 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:15:57pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

In not recognizing that this is becoming more apparent each day, you are refusing to consider this as a possibility.

610 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:16:46pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

drooler...explain his behavior and his history otherwise....you have no cred with me

611 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:16:57pm

re: #579 DistantThunder

REminds me of Hamas. Create Chaos, limit people's options for services, provide minimal services that keep people weak and desperate and dependent.

"The worse things are, the better."

- Lenin

612 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:17:04pm

Good night.

613 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:17:09pm

re: #600 Cognito

Why am I not surprised, media boy? You and your ilk try to shove enough conspiracy shit on us already.

614 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:17:15pm

re: #600 Cognito

Sorry, Falcon.

Got to tell the truth on that -- I just deeply disagree about the nutty 'Cloward-Piven strategy.'

Why do you find it nutty, Cog?

615 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:17:40pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

What about the coal industry?

616 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:17:59pm

Communists in Hollywood? That's just insane!

617 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:01pm

re: #607 J.S.

Thanks. Most episodes of Good Eats end up on youtube. I should rewatch that episode one of these days.

618 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

"The worse things are, the better."

- Lenin

(Paraphrased) You should never let a crisis go to waste. -R. Emmanuel.

619 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:15pm

re: #585 Sharmuta


Bang on. Luck? Geeze, we all might as well head to the casino then.

The market is voting no confidence in this administration's policies as it looks out months from now. What makes anyone think that there is anything out there that indicates that profit is an acceptable thing with this admin? In the mean time the best that will happen is a bottom and then stagnation.

620 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:41pm

re: #616 jaunte

Communists in Hollywood? That's just insane!

oh noez!....bumR

621 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:45pm

Hey, if it's just a case of the president being ill-advised, here's an economist I suggest the president listen to!

622 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:18:54pm

re: #595 Cognito

So only FMSM conspiracy shit is acceptable to you, media boy?

623 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:19:39pm

re: #584 Occasional Reader

Ah, so since nobody knows, one plan is as good as another, right? We might as well, oh, I dunno, promise to confiscate success, and declare war against the "rich", because it's as good as any other plan!

Are you actually reading what you're posting?

No, the POTUS goes with the best advice from his staff and hopes he's right. There is no guarantee that he is, but the voters decided to let him try. In the GW example, his advisers and intelligence were wrong on Iraq, bur right on the surge, so only time will tell.

624 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:19:50pm

re: #616 jaunte

Communists in Hollywood? That's just insane!

You got peanut butter on my chocolate!

625 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:19:52pm

re: #614 Dark_Falcon

Why do you find it nutty, Cog?

Well, let's look at it even on its face: Why would the finely tuned political machine calling itself Barack Obama seek to bring about its own demise?

But really, it's hardly worth bothering to answer. The 'strategy' discredits itself, as I said. As ridiculous as the very Bush-oil-blood-evil-Cheney theories that came in for such a shellacking here not so long ago.

626 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:19:57pm
627 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:20:04pm

re: #517 SteveC

My husband and I are in our early 70's, and we are both diabetics. I am on insulin...2 kinds, and we take a number of other medications. If it comes down to it, The Obomination would order us to be placed on an ice floe in Alaska.

Anyone who needs a medication, etc., to survive? And special diets, any medical need...be afraid. Be very afraid.

I have never been this pessimistic in my life, and as bad as I thought the current regime would be? I surpasses even my worst nightmares. It is only 6 weeks today since that day in January when we lost our country...and we must take it back. We must.

I do not expect to see things back to normal for years, and for my kids and grandkids? What they face I fear.

Yes, the presidencies of Carter and Clinton put us on the current path, but The One is, IMHO, the biggest danger we have faced since 9/11...and he has opened the doors for another 9/11, G-d forbid, while that bitch, Shrillary, is busy giving away our tax $$$$$$$ to terrorists.

If this were only a nightmare, then I could wake up shuddering in fear, but I could look around, and see everything was where it should be, and it was only a nightmare...but when I wake up, and listen to the clock radio? I know that is was tragically reality, and not a nightmare .

Anyone willing to tell me that I should not spit in the face of anyone who says that The One has been a blessing, not a curse to our country?

No, we are not doomed, but it is going to take a decade or even longer to undo the damage he and his merry band of thieves have done in just 6 weeks...42 days?

628 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:20:25pm

re: #612 Occasional Reader

Good night.

Under the Obama administration good nights will be taxed at 60%.

Try a Fair night instead.

629 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:01pm

Nite/Morning all. Creeping crud is at an advantage and sleep + medication is at an advantage. Stay scaly and fight the good fight; keep Cog/Avanti + other moonbats in check.

Kilgore and others (sorry, too tired to list) thanks for garden advice, much appreciated.

Must sleep.

630 3putt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:05pm

re: #577 Macker
Pardon my ignorance. I'm a newbie. Don't understand the Mandy reference.

631 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:13pm
632 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:17pm

re: #579 DistantThunder

REminds me of Hamas. Create Chaos, limit people's options for services, provide minimal services that keep people weak and desperate and dependent.

yup

633 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:46pm

re: #630 3putt

Pardon my ignorance. I'm a newbie. Don't understand the Mandy reference.

You will, 3putt. You will.

634 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:49pm

re: #600 Cognito

Sorry, Falcon.

Got to tell the truth on that -- I just deeply disagree about the nutty 'Cloward-Piven strategy.'

I think Obama is still an unknown. We don't know what he will do if anything. What is his bread and butter? What does he rely on under stress that has served himself well in the past?

I know none of it was being a leader. A lot of it was based on class oppression.

He's not giving me any evidence his spots have changed or that he has any.. any unique abilities to pull himself out of this tail spin without mortgaging the future away. Giving money to the Palestinians is a bad idea while we are in this slump. It's throwing tax dollars away.

635 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:21:55pm

why isn't BO slashing corporate taxes, payrole taxes and pressing for mark to market adjustments?....why is his increasing spending at a fantastic historical pace if he wants to 'save' our economy?....answer that cognito

636 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:22:21pm

re: #629 CynicalConservative

+ other moonbats

Pffft. Please name one 'moonbatty' position I hold.

One.

637 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:22:42pm

re: #585 Sharmuta

Great- so we're banking, literally, on 0bama's luck?!

Great God, did I wake up in a Jerry Pournelle novel?

/

638 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:22:59pm

Speaking of the Addams Family, here's the full dope, free of charge. Man, I do lover the interwebs.

639 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:04pm

re: #599 albusteve

well said....plain and simple

thank you

640 Summersong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:12pm

"buying stocks is a good thing if you have a long-term perspective on it”

Does he have any idea how insulting that is to those of us who have lost so much?

641 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:16pm

re: #634 hazzyday

I think Obama is still an unknown. We don't know what he will do if anything. What is his bread and butter? What does he rely on under stress that has served himself well in the past?

I know none of it was being a leader. A lot of it was based on class oppression.

He's not giving me any evidence his spots have changed or that he has any.. any unique abilities to pull himself out of this tail spin without mortgaging the future away. Giving money to the Palestinians is a bad idea while we are in this slump. It's throwing tax dollars away.

Obama's not in a tailspin. We are. His plan is moving forward. Oh, sorry, does that sound like a conspiracy theory?

642 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:16pm

re: #635 albusteve

why isn't BO slashing corporate taxes, payrole taxes and pressing for mark to market adjustments?....why is his increasing spending at a fantastic historical pace if he wants to 'save' our economy?....answer that cognito

Snubbing the Brits at the WH, tossing Poland under the bus, talks with Iran and Syria, and cutting deals with fascist Russia!

643 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:17pm

re: #635 albusteve

why isn't BO slashing corporate taxes, payrole taxes and pressing for mark to market adjustments?....why is his increasing spending at a fantastic historical pace if he wants to 'save' our economy?....answer that cognito

It's very complex, albusteve.
/

644 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:19pm

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

Not a real conspiracy, more a group of people who think alike. Obama got his political education from people who believed in Cloward-Piven and worse. He sat for 20 years in the church of a man who holds views profoundly hostile to our nation. I'd say my argument is fairly solid.

The conspiracy would be getting the entire cabinet and Congress to carry out the nutty, newly dug up Cloward-Piven strategy.

645 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:47pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

People here -- and there are a but a few of you --who claim that 0bama is doing what he deems best for the people of this country and who deny that he is intentionally trying to ram socialism down the throats of the population and furthermore -- deny that he is anti-capitalism and pro-marxist -- are living in a kaleidoscope world of unicorns and rainbows. Their grasp on reality is mighty tenuous.

646 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:53pm

this is so disheartening.
he talks abt. the stock mkt. daily "gyrations" not being important but the whole point is the stock mkt has been engaging in steady gyrations DOWN on a daily basis since he won the election.
it's a free fall spiral.
surely people who are losing 50% of their retirement funds will call bull shit on him soon.

647 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #631 Iron Fist

I'm sooooo going to Hell for that one!

:-&thotn;

Yes, you are!
But it was great, nonetheless.

648 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:55pm

re: #625 Cognito

Well, let's look at it even on its face: Why would the finely tuned political machine calling itself Barack Obama seek to bring about its own demise?

Dick Morris has already supplied any answer to your question: Obama is a true believer who is willing to be a one term president if he can move America permanently to the left. He wants to use his power, not hold on to it as long as possible.

649 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:23:57pm

re: #606 irongrampa

Glad to hear for you & wife .. best of luck moving forward . hell we all need it eh? Beware, dangers lurk - the debasement of the dollar is a potential hazard plus endless under the cover money grabs from the great 'O' and the brilliant Congressional leadership (think carbon taxes).

650 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:05pm

re: #635 albusteve

why isn't BO slashing corporate taxes, payrole taxes and pressing for mark to market adjustments?....why is his increasing spending at a fantastic historical pace if he wants to 'save' our economy?....answer that cognito

Because he is listening to the many (I believe wrong) economists who subscribe to the Keynesian mode.

I hope that's not the basis for your theory...

651 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:10pm

Time for the old folk.

Heads high, people. We'll survive, after all, we ARE Americans.

652 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:26pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it is. I know a lot of people here believe in it but it's simply not true.

can you provide links?

653 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #640 Summersong

"buying stocks is a good thing if you have a long-term perspective on it”

Does he have any idea how insulting that is to those of us who have lost so much?

A good response is " I had a long term perspective, asshole."

654 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:48pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

How do you explain his response to Charlie Gibson about raising capital gains taxes? Obama clearly didn't care if he decreased revenues to the treasury, FAIRNESS was his priority. Obama has been indoctrinated by extreme leftists, and by delaying 60% of the spending on the stimulus bill for 3-5 years, his intentions become obvious. Destroying capitalism is a leftist tenet.

655 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #595 Cognito

Get stuffed.

656 Ateam  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:59pm

If I have been a US citizenship, and to make solid money without risk,
should write Puts options about every stoke and S&P etc.

Only Demok idiots can think the W.Street going to recover next years.

657 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:24:59pm

re: #623 avanti

No, the POTUS goes with the best advice from his staff and hopes he's right. There is no guarantee that he is, but the voters decided to let him try. In the GW example, his advisers and intelligence were wrong on Iraq, bur right on the surge, so only time will tell.

The Islamic world needed to be kick started into the future. They need to turn the page. GWB did that. And did it well in a geopolitical sense.

658 swamprat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:25:12pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

So in your opinion, he is not attempting to conquer the planet to allow the galactic overlords an easier takeover?

Hmmm. It is possible, I suppose.

Maybe he is just a typical, socialist, public-school-indoctrinated yuppie politican, who leveraged his way to presidency on a wave of media aggrandizement and Bush hatred?
Naw. Couldn't be.

659 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:25:54pm

re: #644 avanti

A wholly Socialist Dem-controlled Congress going to stand up and fight for market principles when crashing the American economy increases dependency on Governmental largesse as doled out by Dems?

660 NonNativeTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:25:56pm

re: #630 3putt

Pardon my ignorance. I'm a newbie. Don't understand the Mandy reference.

Mandy Manners is very opinionated, direct and does not suffer
fools gladly.

661 Steve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:04pm

Oh, to hell with OB ama. The only thing I hope that he succeeds at is failing.

With that said, another game

662 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:13pm

re: #634 hazzyday

"What does he rely on under stress that has served himself well in the past?" - a line of powdered Marxism on a mirror.

663 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:17pm

re: #476 avanti

Lord, but you are ignorant.

If you look at the stats at ALL, you will see a precipitous slide since January.

Do you actually have any clue why the market has been tanking since the O was sworn in? Because he's scaring the crap out of investors.

The market would hop to attention if it got some sign that the gov. is taking steps to help the recovery. Instead, the gov. is ignoring business and economic trends, focusing on hand-out programs, taking steps without regard to the crippling effect they will have on business, spending huge globs of investors' money for legacy hand-out programs, hundreds and hundreds of pet boondoggles, new hand-out programs, and little or none for infrastructure or growth of business or wealth.

The market doesn't just fling itself up and down. Have you heard of cause and effect?

664 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:19pm

{Nana}!

665 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:21pm

re: #19 Shug

He has the support of 50 million Henrietta Hugheses

A nation of fools gove

50 million Henrietta Hughes put this idiot in office

i hope she didn't get a kitchen handed to her.

666 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:22pm

re: #640 Summersong

"buying stocks is a good thing if you have a long-term perspective on it”

Does he have any idea how insulting that is to those of us who have lost so much?

No, he does not.
When he needs or wants something, there seems to be no end of people willing to give him loans on terms no one else can get, and friends who will purchase properties or parts of properties so he can have what he wants.

The fact that the rest of us must actually, you know, provide for ourselves doesn't enter into his thoughts at all.

We should rest easy - he will see to it the government provides.

667 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:50pm

Obama is an imbecile..... Pelosi is an idiot...... Reid is an idiot.... Frank, also an idiot.....

What do we expect from these people? They can't even delineate between right and wrong....

668 venomx  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:54pm

re: #648 Dark_Falcon

Besides,he knows the corrupt media will commit Hari-Kari to protect one of their own.He's counting on them to pull him through.

669 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:26:54pm

re: #660 NonNativeTexan

Mandy Manners is very opinionated, direct and does not suffer
fools gladly.

And completely rocks too.

670 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:02pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

Yes, you are!
But it was great, nonetheless.

Do Radical Islamists have Hell?

Maybe I'll see them there!

/plots ways to take favorite possessions with him
/I'll need a suitable tomb now, guns don't cremate well

671 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:07pm

re: #644 avanti

The conspiracy would be getting the entire cabinet and Congress to carry out the nutty, newly dug up Cloward-Piven strategy.

Not newly dug up. Cloward and Piven had many adherents and ACORN was modeled after their strategy. This is not a new thing, avanti. What is new is that the leader of our nation is an adherent to this or a similar idea.

672 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:11pm

re: #644 avanti

The conspiracy would be getting the entire cabinet and Congress to carry out the nutty, newly dug up Cloward-Piven strategy.

Like a 3.5 trillion dollar stimulus and a 400 billion dollar budget, and talking down the stock market and destroying wealth in 40 days is not overloading the system, thereby employing the strategy? Jeez, its not like he's going to read of his teleprompter, " I hereby order the Cloward-Piven strategy."

673 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:14pm

re: #645 pink freud

People here -- and there are a but a few of you --who claim that 0bama is doing what he deems best for the people of this country and who deny that he is intentionally trying to ram socialism down the throats of the population and furthermore -- deny that he is anti-capitalism and pro-marxist -- are living in a kaleidoscope world of unicorns and rainbows. Their grasp on reality is mighty tenuous.

You go, girl!

674 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:46pm

re: #643 Bloodnok

It's very complex, albusteve.
/

It's obvious. Obama has said that only government can cause a recovery. This defies the historical record. He deliberately misrepresented the Japanese record and used to it prove his point when it proves the opposite. Obama is the master of double-talk, smoke and mirrors.

675 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:27:47pm

re: #660 NonNativeTexan

Mandy Manners is very opinionated, direct and does not suffer
fools gladly.

Mandy doesn't suffer fools, period. ;)

676 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:28:00pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

So your contention is that he is really this stupid?

677 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #648 Dark_Falcon

Dick Morris has already supplied any answer to your question: Obama is a true believer who is willing to be a one term president if he can move America permanently to the left. He wants to use his power, not hold on to it as long as possible.

No, he's too much of a politician to not want a second term. You can expect his first four years to be a lead up campaign, it's in his DNA.

678 NonNativeTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:28:17pm

re: #669 Bloodnok

Definitely.

679 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:28:40pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

Your quite right Comrade, I am one of the traitors questioning Chairman Obama's power grab. Perhaps you should contact State Security to drag me out of my house to ruthlessly interrogate me.

680 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:05pm

Justice?...
"This is a deep moral imperative to make our society more just. But it's very good economic policy, too," Geithner told the House Ways and Means Committee, emphasizing that none of the tax hikes would take effect "until we are safely into recovery" in 2011. "It will make our nation stronger and not just more just."

It just keeps getting more and more f***ed up. Who knew that a tax system where 10% of the wage earners pay 90% of the taxes was biased towards the rich?

Who would have guessed that a tax system where 45% of the wage earners pay no federal income tax and (IIRC) some 15% of those get back MORE than was withheld was giving a free pass to the wealthy?

F***ing shame I was educated before the Carter inflicted the Dept of Education on us.

I can do math and read charts. Pity that fartknocker in the Whitehouse can't.

681 notutopia  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:12pm

Goodnight all. Sweeter dreams than reality...

682 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:20pm

re: #676 Aviator

So your contention is that he is really this stupid?

Not stupid, exactly. Hard to claim he's literally a dribbling moron, with any seriousness.

Certainly wrong, though. Misguided, ill-advised, unequipped, underprepared and -- finally, again -- wrong.

683 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:28pm

re: #670 OldLineTexan

Do Radical Islamists have Hell?

Maybe I'll see them there!

/plots ways to take favorite possessions with him
/I'll need a suitable tomb now, guns don't cremate well

For radical islamists, life itself must be hell, I do believe.

684 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:39pm

re: #659 FurryOldGuyJeans

A wholly Socialist Dem-controlled Congress going to stand up and fight for market principles when crashing the American economy increases dependency on Governmental largesse as doled out by Dems?

I hear Loot Fest 09!

685 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:47pm

re: #658 swamprat

So in your opinion, he is not attempting to conquer the planet to allow the galactic overlords an easier takeover?

Hmmm. It is possible, I suppose.

Maybe he is just a typical, socialist, public-school-indoctrinated yuppie politican, who leveraged his way to presidency on a wave of media aggrandizement and Bush hatred?
Naw. Couldn't be.

Too simple. He's so much more nuanced than that cowboy Bush.

/Every plan ever hatched in the world's history is a fucking conspiracy theory, except for the ones that are fucking conspiracy FACTS

686 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:50pm

re: #677 avanti

No, he's too much of a politician to not want a second term. You can expect his first four years to be a lead up campaign, it's in his DNA.

He wants a second term, I agree. But I also agree with Dick Morris that there are other things he wants more.

687 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:53pm

re: #650 Cognito

Because he is listening to the many (I believe wrong) economists who subscribe to the Keynesian mode.

I hope that's not the basis for your theory...

those are not theory....that is exactly what he is NOT doing....you are the fucking King of Dense...where is all your flowery windage?...you said we were conspiritors....are you submitting now?...his advice is poor?....why doesn't he pursue other advice then?....you are blithering words smith...where are your words now....explain how BO is not intentionally wrecking the economy

688 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:29:59pm

If Obama isn't completely sadistic when he says that he wants to bankrupt the coal industry and make utility rates "necessarily skyrocket," then I have no other word for that type of predatory behavior.

689 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:30:01pm

To paraphrase Mandy again:

I hope all you people who whined to let cognito back in are fucking happy now.

690 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:30:11pm

re: #7 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'll buy when the Dow reaches 2500, if there's anything left to buy and any money to buy with.

Betcha it never hits 2500. The whole institution will die out and be replaced by something else eventually. Long before that, inflation will have pushed the numbers up to where 2500 in today's dollars will read on the big board like 5000.

On any given day, the best estimate for where the market will be a year from that day is: right about where it is now. If the consensus was that it'd be 20% lower, or 20% higher, why not sell now buy then, or vice versa. Traders would arbitrage that spread. It's only as new information enters the market that it moves in any systematic way.

Maybe there's information out there that's evident to you but generally not understood. Then you can profit. If you're right. But all the players in this game think they know something others don't, and every trade has a buyer and a seller, one right and one wrong.

691 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:30:11pm

re: #636 Cognito

Pffft. Please name one 'moonbatty' position I hold.

One.

Well... how about the sycophantic support of any MSM position that is posited on a daily basis.

Not ducking an honest debate, I have to sleep. Nic is blue and I will be back for further conversation.

692 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:30:15pm

re: #637 OldLineTexan

Great God, did I wake up in a Jerry Pournelle novel?

/

Taxpayer or citizen? The Co-Dominion series?

693 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:30:26pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

Not newly dug up. Cloward and Piven had many adherents and ACORN was modeled after their strategy. This is not a new thing, avanti. What is new is that the leader of our nation is an adherent to this or a similar idea.

I would have doubts the current crop of politicians knows the strategy, first they would have to know about economics. I think their handlers just pull their strings. I'd bet that someone or group of people who could make a lot of money trying to create chaos in our market have something to do with it.

We don't know anyone who creates chaoes in markets do we?

694 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:31:12pm

re: #680 Van Helsing

Justice?...

695 Macker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:31:38pm

re: #683 reine.de.tout

For radical islamists, life itself must be hell, I do believe.

I was under the impression that our Heaven...is their Hell. And Vice versa.

696 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #693 ggt

I would have doubts the current crop of politicians knows the strategy, first they would have to know about economics. I think their handlers just pull their strings. I'd bet that someone or group of people who could make a lot of money trying to create chaos in our market have something to do with it.

We don't know anyone who creates chaoes in markets do we?

Ooh. I know! I know! Pick me!

Soros.

697 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:32:14pm

re: #674 DistantThunder

It's obvious. Obama has said that only government can cause a recovery. This defies the historical record. He deliberately misrepresented the Japanese record and used to it prove his point when it proves the opposite. Obama is the master of double-talk, smoke and mirrors.

Getting Out Ahead of the Recovery

Ayn Rand had an image in Atlas Shrugged that has always stuck with me. The government looter-weenies were likened to a guy standing on the roof of a boxcar on a speeding train, claiming to be in charge of the train’s motion. To extend the analogy further, a guy on top of a freight car (in Rand’s day) only had the power to slow the train down (via the brake wheel on the car) but obviously had no ability to accelerate the train and had no relationship to the real motive force that drove the train.

The analogy has always been a powerful one for me in viewing Congresses and Presidents when they talk about the economy. Claiming to be in charge of the economy, they have little power except to impede its progress. And they have so little connection to the true motive force behind the economy, that it is clear they don’t even comprehend its operation.

698 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:32:18pm

re: #656 Ateam

If I have been a US citizenship, and to make solid money without risk,
should write Puts options about every stoke and S&P etc.

Only Demok idiots can think the W.Street going to recover next years.

I'm not exactly sure what you said, newbie, but it's nice to see you adding your two cents. Welcome!

/Demok idiots ....yep!

699 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #672 kansas

Like a 3.5 trillion dollar stimulus and a 400 billion dollar budget, and talking down the stock market and destroying wealth in 40 days is not overloading the system, thereby employing the strategy? Jeez, its not like he's going to read of his teleprompter, " I hereby order the Cloward-Piven strategy."

Like the Ayer's in the cabinet talk, this to will pass when the economy recovers, as it always does and a new conspiracy will roll out.

700 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:32:49pm

re: #679 Maximu§

Your quite right Comrade, I am one of the traitors questioning Chairman Obama's power grab. Perhaps you should contact State Security to drag me out of my house to ruthlessly interrogate me.

I pity anyone sent to drag you away, Maximus. By the time the smoke cleared, a lot of the people so sent would probably be in bags.

(Disclaimer: I'm saying he's a fierce and well prepared man, I'm not trying to advocate violence.)

701 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:33:02pm

Komrade Obama no understand that Bloomberg is keyboard with big green go key on it and thumbprint sensor on top right. Bitter and clinging to by Bloomberg Anywhere I remain Shr_Nfr. Obama is such a anus he probably thinks Tobin's Q is something that Tobin gets in a play.

702 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:33:10pm

re: #680 Van Helsing

Justice?...

703 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:33:32pm

re: #673 reine.de.tout

You go, girl!

Ran our idea past my own "non-partisan" (haha!) focus group today. I got good reaction.

704 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:21pm

re: #703 pink freud

Ran our idea past my own "non-partisan" (haha!) focus group today. I got good reaction.

Really?
Great.
Keep me posted.

705 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:32pm

re: #680 Van Helsing

Komrade, nyet understand that Department of Education is not Department of Education, is Department of Advancement of NEA. Da?

706 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:38pm

re: #680 Van Helsing

Justice?...

"This is a deep moral imperative to make our society more just. But it's very good economic policy, too," Geithner told the House Ways and Means Committee, emphasizing that none of the tax hikes would take effect "until we are safely into recovery" in 2011. "It will make our nation stronger and not just more just."

It just keeps getting more and more f***ed up. Who knew that a tax system where 10% of the wage earners pay 90% of the taxes was biased towards the rich?

Who would have guessed that a tax system where 45% of the wage earners pay no federal income tax and (IIRC) some 15% of those get back MORE than was withheld was giving a free pass to the wealthy?

F***ing shame I was educated before the Carter inflicted the Dept of Education on us.

I can do math and read charts. Pity that fartknocker in the Whitehouse can't.

Fucking Commie bastards, one and all. Government-mandated fairness.

707 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:46pm

#595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.

How naive of you to think Obama has the best interests of this country. The man said to the entire world that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry, that he wants to spread the wealth by taking from those who work hard and giving it to those who don't. He has promised to increase our utility bills, gasoline at the pump - in fact he made it clear exactly what he wants to do. For anyone to defend his idiotic and destructive plans is a fool. This man is dangerous to our country.

708 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #595 Cognito

People here -- and there are a number of you -- who claim that Obama is not merely unable to get a rein on the economy, but is indeed purposefully trying to destroy the country, are embarrassing yourselves and lesser conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Your ideas need not be refuted. Merely italicized.


You are the embarrassment.

OBAMA: In the weeks to come, the signs denoting these projects are going to bear the new emblem of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. These emblems are symbols of our commitment to you, the American people. When you see them on projects that your tax dollars made possible, let it be a reminder that our government, your government, is doing its part to put the economy back on the road of recovery.
OBAMA: Throughout our history, there have been times when a generation of Americans seized the chance to remake the face of this nation. It's what we're doing once more, by building a twenty-first century infrastructure that will make America's economy stronger and America's people safer. That's the reason we're here today. That's the purpose of our recovery plan. That's the cause of my presidency.

He can't remake it until he tears it down.

709 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:34:52pm

re: #664 Sharmuta

{Sharm}

I have to go along with my first impression; when I saw incognito's avatar? I swear I thought it was a bear's ass, walking away...

/I was 1/2 right!

710 3putt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:35:01pm

re: #669 Bloodnok
Should I take that as a compliment? Or a dig?

711 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:35:04pm

re: #689 Sharmuta

To paraphrase Mandy again:

I hope all you people who whined to let cognito back in are fucking happy now.

I am happy, Sharmuta. I knew what I was asking for when I advocated letting Cognito back in and I do not regret it. He and I disagree quite often, but I enjoy having a witty foil for some my ideas.

712 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:35:14pm

Saw a clip on TV about the FEDS cutting off half the water supply to the central valley in California. Farmers are only planting 1/2 the crops they were last year. All over some tiny fish that is not yet on the endangered species list, but the FEDS don't want to have to put it on.

People are a cancer on the earth anyway, the democrats believe. Just think what that will do to food supplies and prices. Trend experts are predicting food riots.

I hope Obama fails faster.

713 kansas  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:35:21pm

re: #699 avanti

I don't suppose you could call the POSUS and tell him to shut up for a while then? You know so the economy could actually recover?

714 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:35:31pm

re: #667 WindHorse

Obama is an imbecile..... Pelosi is an idiot...... Reid is an idiot.... Frank, also an idiot.....

What do we expect from these people? They can't even delineate between right and wrong....

That's how you can tell they're true liberals.

/relatively speaking, if course ....

715 Spartacus50  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:05pm

re: #10 Harry Tuttle

I've said this all along. Nobody ever questioned Obama's "intellectual curiosity" like they did Bush

716 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:05pm

re: #693 ggt

I would have doubts the current crop of politicians knows the strategy, first they would have to know about economics. I think their handlers just pull their strings. I'd bet that someone or group of people who could make a lot of money trying to create chaos in our market have something to do with it.

We don't know anyone who creates chaoes in markets do we?

George Soros.

717 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:17pm

re: #663 Catttt

Not to mention introducing very constrictive legislation on energy right in the middle of the worst economic crisis in living memory. PLEASE, can we table the "global warming" mythology until the economy is on its feet?

718 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:24pm

If you guys want to help with the next cookbook, CLICK REINE'S NIC!

*The following was a lizard service announcement from the LGF Cookbook Volume 2 Brute Squad*

719 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:32pm

re: #667 WindHorse

.....and quite frankly, have ANY of these people put in an honest day of work in their lives?

Yet, they view themselves as the entitled elite.

I want that Army Sergeant that was bitching out the Iraqi Police Force that appeared on YouTube and was referenced here..... no bullshit.... in Washington, DC cleaning house.

That is what we need. Straight talk. No BS.

720 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:36:59pm

re: #692 Van Helsing

Taxpayer or citizen? The Co-Dominion series?

One of the Kzinti series, where the Kzin believe that their last defeat by Earth was partly due to the fact that the overcrowded Earth had a breeding lottery for generations (i.e., bred for luck).

721 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:01pm

re: #710 3putt

Should I take that as a compliment? Or a dig?

Compliment. :-)

722 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:05pm

re: #699 avanti

Keep on spinning everything said against your Messiah-King as conspiracy. Room 101 is waiting for you.

723 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:21pm

re: #690 lostlakehiker

Not all trades have a looser winner relationship. I bet most do not. Think this -> I buy, watch, and then take profit at X when I sell. Somebody picks up my sale and rides it even higher .. or in the case of short sells we each ride it lower to profit. The key thing here is that its not always a zero sum game.

724 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:32pm

re: #717 JohnAdams

Not to mention introducing very constrictive legislation on energy right in the middle of the worst economic crisis in living memory. PLEASE, can we table the "global warming" mythology until the economy is on its feet?

FTFY

725 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:47pm

re: #682 Cognito

It is unfortunate The One cannot make the blind see.

726 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:37:55pm

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

He wants a second term, I agree. But I also agree with Dick Morris that there are other things he wants more.

The main disagreement we have, is you think Obama has some evil agenda to destroy Americana. I think he's a driven politician that wants to be popular and get reelected.

727 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:38:11pm

re: #706 MandyManners

Yeah. That's kinda the way I feel about the f***ers, too.
Commie rat bastards all.

728 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:38:49pm

cognito...I am thoroughly disappointed with you...all your heady words don't mean shit...your are smothered by your own windy bravado...you got no game...none

729 Macker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:38:57pm

re: #725 Aviator

It is unfortunate The One cannot make the blind see.

And if he did, the blind would scream at what they saw. "AIEEEEEE! My eyes!"

730 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:16pm

re: #699 avanti

Like the Ayer's in the cabinet talk, this to will pass when the economy recovers, as it always does and a new conspiracy will roll out.

Umm...

How is it a "conspiracy theory" when the chief of staff himself said that a good crisis should never go to waste? That's the DEFINITION of manufactured crisis, which is the Cloward-Piven strategy of using crisis to bring about political change.

Do you believe what you say?

731 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:24pm

re: #718 Sharmuta

If you guys want to help with the next cookbook, CLICK REINE'S NIC!

*The following was a lizard service announcement from the LGF Cookbook Volume 2 Brute Squad*

YES INDEED.
QUOTING YOU TO REPEAT IT.
Jaunte has already volunteered to do MORE ARTWORK, for the cover AND the inside too!

And FlakMusic has sent me some formatting and fonts, plus he has figured out a way to better spell-check the text

so the next book may just be BETTER!

Send in recipes, include your nic, and send in items you would like to see considered for inclusion - funny, witty, insightful, whatever.

732 Macker  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #726 avanti

Tell us something we already didn't know, please and thank you.

733 3putt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:50pm

re: #721 Bloodnok
Thanks

734 Steve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:52pm

re: #699 avanti

Like the Ayer's in the cabinet talk, this to will pass when the economy recovers, as it always does and a new conspiracy will roll out.

Recover like the Carter economy under Carter?

735 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:39:55pm

re: #726 avanti

The main disagreement we have, is you think Obama has some evil agenda to destroy Americana. I think he's a driven politician that wants to be popular and get reelected.

On that point, you are correct.

736 swamprat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:40:09pm

re: #682 Cognito

That one should get your karma back on its feet!

737 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:40:35pm

re: #646 nyc redneck
OBAMA: What I'm looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market but the long-term, uh, ability for the United States and the entire world economy, uh, to regain its footing. Uh, and, y-y-you know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day to day, uh, and if you spend all your time worrying about that, you're probably going to get long-term strategy wrong.

I agree with Rush, if the Stock Market is like a tracking poll in politics, then the 0's numbers are tanking big time.

738 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:40:43pm

re: #712 DistantThunder

Actually CA is in an very severe drought condition in the north and pretty bad in the south. Like Australia, they have been working on getting drier for several years now. Its more than just a fish that are causing the rationing. Personally, I have a 600 ft well into the old shale up here in MA. Reasonable water, have to take the iron out though.

CA has been managing its water poorly for years though. So has NV and some of the other states. You do not build golf courses with lots of plants in the middle of a desert, build a lot of swimming pools, and not blow holes in your water supply.

739 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:40:49pm

re: #726 avanti

You believe Mussolini made the trains run on time?

740 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #726 avanti

The main disagreement we have, is you think Obama has some evil agenda to destroy Americana. I think he's a driven politician that wants to be popular and get reelected.

the two themes are connected altho I doubt you can figure it out on your own...you are part of the problem

741 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:41:07pm

So for fun I asked my 14 year old what a P/E ratio was. He gave me a correct answer. When I told him what our president thought it was he looked at me quizzically and said "wouldn't a profit to earnings ratio always be 1 to 1"

God help us.

742 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:41:11pm

Thank you food people. The garden and sauce and cook book talk gave this pesky economics subject a nice lift. Of course, now I'm hungry.....but thanks.

743 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:41:22pm

re: #715 Spartacus50

I've said this all along. Nobody ever questioned Obama's "intellectual curiosity" like they did Bush

Obama has no integrity, and was hoping that Bush failed in Iraq. Obama said: "No one thought the surge would be successful." That is a moronic statement on so many levels - and it's a lie.

744 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:41:43pm

re: #688 DistantThunder

I have no other word for that type of predatory behavior.

Oh, but I do! [deleted] [deleted] [deleted]***

[***Insert your own choice word(s)]

745 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:42:03pm

i just can't imagine any other time in the history of our country where something
like a free fall of the stock market can be taking place in our country and the president just blows it off as nothing, after waiting this long to even address the situation.
and the msm nods and fawns like he knows what he is talking abt.

746 Van Helsing  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:42:11pm

I've had my fill of the New Commie Messiah.
G'nite.

747 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:42:32pm

re: #715 Spartacus50

I think it is curious that we have not seen any of the intellectual opus magnus that Obama must have produced over the years except for that Columbia screed. Does that rank as intellectual curiosity?

748 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:43:00pm

re: #741 Gretchen

So for fun I asked my 14 year old what a P/E ratio was. He gave me a correct answer. When I told him what our president thought it was he looked at me quizzically and said "wouldn't a profit to earnings ratio always be 1 to 1"

God help us.

Awesome! Out of the mouths of babes.....

And it reminds me again that it took a young boy to say out loud, "but - the emperor has no clothes!"

749 albusteve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:43:09pm

re: #745 nyc redneck

i just can't imagine any other time in the history of our country where something
like a free fall of the stock market can be taking place in our country and the president just blows it off as nothing, after waiting this long to even address the situation.
and the msm nods and fawns like he knows what he is talking abt.

and it didnt even need to happen...all contrived

750 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:43:25pm

re: #711 Dark_Falcon

I am happy, Sharmuta. I knew what I was asking for when I advocated letting Cognito back in and I do not regret it. He and I disagree quite often, but I enjoy having a witty foil for some my ideas.

And you and I have found areas upon which we agree, and we're both aware that a point where we disagree is this one, as we've discussed him before. I mean- witty? If you say so, but I certainly don't find him witty in the least. But let's move on to another subject, shall we?

751 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:43:46pm

Did ya'll know there is a logo that the O wants affixed to things on which the "recovery" $ is being spent?

Well, there is.

And here are some photoshops for alternate logos.

752 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:03pm

re: #748 Catttt

Awesome! Out of the mouths of babes.....

And it reminds me again that it took a young boy to say out loud, "but - the emperor has no clothes!"

But he has such nice pecs!

753 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:06pm
Democratic Sen. Barack Obama announced he was running for president by declaring, "I want to transform this country."

A man of his word.

754 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:07pm

re: #731 reine.de.tout

YES INDEED.
QUOTING YOU TO REPEAT IT.
Jaunte has already volunteered to do MORE ARTWORK, for the cover AND the inside too!

And FlakMusic has sent me some formatting and fonts, plus he has figured out a way to better spell-check the text

so the next book may just be BETTER!

Send in recipes, include your nic, and send in items you would like to see considered for inclusion - funny, witty, insightful, whatever.

DO WHAT SHE SAYS OR I WILL YELL MORE.

755 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:46pm

re: #722 FurryOldGuyJeans

Keep on spinning everything said against your Messiah-King as conspiracy. Room 101 is waiting for you.

Disagreeing with his policies is not a conspiracy. Making those policies part of a evil plan to destroy capitalism is just weird.

756 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:58pm

re: #62 godfrey

What kind of idiot do you have to be to think you can bullshit Wall Street on national television?

Not idiot, narcissist. This is a guy who believes his adoring press.

757 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:44:59pm

re: #754 Sharmuta

DO WHAT SHE SAYS OR I WILL YELL MORE.

LOL!

758 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:45:16pm

re: #726 avanti

The main disagreement we have, is you think Obama has some evil agenda to destroy Americana. I think he's a driven politician that wants to be popular and get reelected.

At the expense of millions of lives sunken into despair, just like the black caucus has done to the black community in the inner cities. And trillions of wealth destroyed. Now obama is going after the charities implementing a policy that Obama KNOWS will reduce contributions, so that the government can exert control. Even liberals are stunned about this new move. This again is predatory since he knows it will cause harm to the charities - but that works for him. it's cruel.

759 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:45:38pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

Did ya'll know there is a logo that the O wants affixed to things on which the "recovery" $ is being spent?

Well, there is.

And here are some photoshops for alternate logos.

From newsjunkie's post above, from Tapper's blog. It's there also, along with those quotes she posted. Thanks, newsjunkie.

760 SummerSong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:45:55pm

re: #666 reine.de.tout

No, he does not.
When he needs or wants something, there seems to be no end of people willing to give him loans on terms no one else can get, and friends who will purchase properties or parts of properties so he can have what he wants.

The fact that the rest of us must actually, you know, provide for ourselves doesn't enter into his thoughts at all.

We should rest easy - he will see to it the government provides.

The elderly people that I know are devastated... DEVASTATED. I will never forgive him for that.

761 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:45:57pm

re: #750 Sharmuta

And you and I have found areas upon which we agree, and we're both aware that a point where we disagree is this one, as we've discussed him before. I mean- witty? If you say so, but I certainly don't find him witty in the least. But let's move on to another subject, shall we?

Yes, lets get back to finding ways to thwart Obama.

762 3putt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:46:09pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

All that's missing is his graven image!

763 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:46:17pm

re: #741 Gretchen

It all depends on which auditor keeps the books. Actually, if you really want to get into stuff. You have a whole batch of what you might call earnings. The one that counts is earnings from continuing operations excluding exceptional items. Problem is that some companies always have exceptional items so you kind of have to stick them in. In many ways, earnings are what people usually call reported earnings which is not the same as what I just said. You also realize that every company keeps two sets of books. They have to by law. One is for the tax accounting for unka sam, the other is for the gaap accounting for the SEC. The numbers in them are not the same.

764 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:46:42pm

re: #755 avanti

Disagreeing with his policies is not a conspiracy. Making those policies part of a evil plan to destroy capitalism is just weird.

Not admitting what you are seeing unfolding right before your eyes is weirder.

765 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:46:53pm

re: #752 JohnAdams

But he has such nice pecs!

He's clean, articulate AND elegant.

766 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:47:00pm

re: #755 avanti

Oh yeah, keep spinning and moving the goal posts. Now you get to define what is evil and what is conspiracy.

767 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:47:19pm

re: #755 avanti

Disagreeing with his policies is not a conspiracy. Making those policies part of a evil plan to destroy capitalism is just weird.

Then color me weird, because I believe that is exactly what he is doing.

768 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:47:48pm

re: #764 pink freud

Not admitting what you are seeing unfolding right before your eyes is weirder.

Hard to see when one is blinded by the Glory that is O.

769 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:47:50pm

re: #755 avanti

I don't think Stevie Wonder would see it that way.

770 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:48:07pm

re: #737 newsjunkie_ky

OBAMA: What I'm looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market but the long-term, uh, ability for the United States and the entire world economy, uh, to regain its footing. Uh, and, y-y-you know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day to day, uh, and if you spend all your time worrying about that, you're probably going to get long-term strategy wrong.

I agree with Rush, if the Stock Market is like a tracking poll in politics, then the 0's numbers are tanking big time.

LOL, i agree. i heard it too.
it has been bouncing down since o got elected.
and the people losing money are getting pissed off

771 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:48:12pm

What's the worry about saying that Obama will fail or that one hopes he fails: he's already failing.

This is just the beginning of the storm that's brewing as we see cap and trade instituted; increased regulations on businesses and industry; increased taxes on the investment class; increased anti-free-market rhetoric; left-wing foreign policy; increased business taxes; CO2 regulations; card check/union favoritism; dismantling of union oversight; anti-oil exploration policies; anti-gas exploration policies; anti-land development; etc.

Did I miss anything?

772 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:48:23pm

re: #760 SummerSong

The elderly people that I know are devastated... DEVASTATED. I will never forgive him for that.

How many of them voted for the One and his mythology of "universal health care"? It is fundamentally dishonest to promise all things to the lower classes and then systematically dismantle the economy of the people who will pay for it.

773 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:48:34pm

re: #762 3putt

All that's missing is his graven CRAVEN image!

774 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:48:54pm

re: #763 Shr_Nfr
The point is, he's actually closer to the truth than our president and he hasn't even been to an ivy league university...

775 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:49:02pm

re: #760 SummerSong

The elderly people that I know are devastated... DEVASTATED. I will never forgive him for that.

I'm not elderly, but I was fortunate enough to be able to retire 18 months ago at age 54.

Now I'm not so sure I'll be able to stay retired.

776 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:49:34pm

Kilgore #605 and anyone else who stated that the Cloward-Piven Strategy is a conspiracy theory. Where is your proof?

I'd like to see it, as there are a few links about the Cloward-Piven Strategy and if it false, I'd like to know.

777 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:49:36pm

Obama's latest brilliant plan:

President Barack Obama's call to raise taxes on high earners and greenhouse gas polluters met fierce opposition Tuesday from congressional Republicans and also a few Democrats. "I would never want to adversely affect anything that is charitable or good," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said of Obama's call to limit high-income taxpayers' itemized deductions for charitable donations and mortgage interest.

Republicans said the president's plan to charge fees to industries that spew greenhouse gases amounts to a stealthy tax increase for all Americans that will far exceed the new $400 annual tax cut for workers that he wants to extend beyond 2010.

"The president's budget increases taxes on every American, and does so during a recession," said Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the Ways and Means Committee.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner argued that the Obama proposal would reduce taxes for most Americans. Any increases, he said, wouldn't occur until 2011, when the economy is "safely into recovery."

Geithner said Obama's plan would cut income taxes for 95 percent of families and 97 percent of small businesses. Raising taxes on couples that make more than $250,000 would make the tax system more equitable, restoring the balance that existed before a series of tax cuts were enacted under former President George W. Bush, he said.

More equitable tax system...restoring the balance... hypnotic phrases to lull us into a warm stupor while Obama makes America into a Third World country.

Can we all just not pay our taxes like all of Obama's appointees?

778 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:50:04pm
779 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:50:37pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

Did ya'll know there is a logo that the O wants affixed to things on which the "recovery" $ is being spent?

Well, there is.

And here are some photoshops for alternate logos.

Maybe we could deface them all with old Free Kevin bumperstickers.

780 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:50:59pm

re: #771 Gus 802

I think that there are enough Democratic Senators that don't want crap and fade that it will get shot down in the Senate. No way they will be able to turn off the filibuster.

781 Sosigado  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:16pm

Anyone who can't see that what's going on in Washington at this very moment
is the most blatant play for power and control in the history of this country, is being completely intellectually dishonest with themselves. Or, they are delusional beyond redemption.

782 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:32pm

re: #747 Shr_Nfr

I think it is curious that we have not seen any of the intellectual opus magnus that Obama must have produced over the years except for that Columbia screed. Does that rank as intellectual curiosity?

And he continues to say Michelle and I in the predicate - yet he was miraculously able to write these two extraordinary books that just coincidentally resemble Ayers own writing. It's shocking how many gullible people there are.

I thought about writing an article about why liberal women make bad choices in boyfriends and politicians and how the two are connected.

783 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:32pm

re: #771 Gus 802

What's the worry about saying that Obama will fail or that one hopes he fails: he's already failing.

This is just the beginning of the storm that's brewing as we see cap and trade instituted; increased regulations on businesses and industry; increased taxes on the investment class; increased anti-free-market rhetoric; left-wing foreign policy; increased business taxes; CO2 regulations; card check/union favoritism; dismantling of union oversight; anti-oil exploration policies; anti-gas exploration policies; anti-land development; etc.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, he not failing. He wants a disaster to make more and more of the population dependent on the government.

784 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:43pm

re: #780 Shr_Nfr

That would be a good move.

785 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:47pm

I agree with the thought that he is a very driven politician. I don't think he wants to destroy America, but he's just so ignorant about basic ecocnomic principles, that he really thinks spending trillions and creating all of these gov't programs, will make him popular. After all, everyone in his Chicago circle supports this.

786 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:49pm

re: #759 pink freud

From newsjunkie's post above, from Tapper's blog. It's there also, along with those quotes she posted. Thanks, newsjunkie.


You are welcome. Rush said, wonder why he doesn't just put up pictures of himself. The emblem is just as bad, like castro and che.
I am truly afraid for the Country.

787 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:50pm

re: #779 Catttt

Maybe we could deface them all with old Free Kevin bumperstickers.

Or something.
Should I be familiar with the "Free Kevin" bumper-stickers?

788 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:51:58pm

re: #779 Catttt

Maybe we could deface them all with old Free Kevin bumperstickers.

Better yet, "Free America" bumpstickers.

789 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:52:09pm

Obama is admiring himself in the mirror right now. That's who we have for President.

790 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:52:46pm

re: #730 TheMatrix31

Umm...

How is it a "conspiracy theory" when the chief of staff himself said that a good crisis should never go to waste? That's the DEFINITION of manufactured crisis, which is the Cloward-Piven strategy of using crisis to bring about political change.

Do you believe what you say?

Hey, I can't fight a good conspiracy story. Once it meshes with existing beliefs, it'll have a life of it's own. You simply start out with the idea that Obama is evil and out to destroy capitalism, then google a decades old concept to fit and ride it like a big dog.

791 swamprat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:52:52pm

anybody would be blind not to see what Obama is doing

Unrelated to anything.

792 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:02pm

re: #771 Gus 802

What's the worry about saying that Obama will fail or that one hopes he fails: he's already failing.

This is just the beginning of the storm that's brewing as we see cap and trade instituted; increased regulations on businesses and industry; increased taxes on the investment class; increased anti-free-market rhetoric; left-wing foreign policy; increased business taxes; CO2 regulations; card check/union favoritism; dismantling of union oversight; anti-oil exploration policies; anti-gas exploration policies; anti-land development; etc.

Did I miss anything?

Once they get done looting the "rich" (and by that I mean what we have come to know as two-income professional families) and realize they have only got about 10% of the spending covered, you are going to see so many taxes on everything from buying a loaf of bread to heating your house that it will make your head spin. You'll get taxed for farting.

793 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:03pm

re: #627 NY Nana

Obama & the Democrats are spending us into oblivion.

It is a spiritual crisis we face, one of human motivations and priorities, which we have to rethink and reorder, and throwing money at the crisis will not fix it at all.

I remember during the campaign some reporter asked Obama if he prayed, or prayed a lot, and his answer was "Yeah, I guess I do."

I think that answer showed a man who has really no spiritual side, in any practical way, and who is supremely unfit to lead the country out from the blind alley it has gone down.

God help us all.

794 SummerSong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:15pm

re: #772 JohnAdams

How many of them voted for the One and his mythology of "universal health care"? It is fundamentally dishonest to promise all things to the lower classes and then systematically dismantle the economy of the people who will pay for it.

The people I am speaking of did not vote for O.

795 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:16pm

Has anyone brought up the new enviromental orders Obama gave today? More neo-pagen nature worshipping. Now try to build something.

796 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #786 newsjunkie_ky

You are welcome. Rush said, wonder why he doesn't just put up pictures of himself. The emblem is just as bad, like castro and che.
I am truly afraid for the Country.

I am too.
I didn't see your post on this earlier, wouldn't have reposted it if I had.

For the O, it's all about his own glorification. Have you ever seen anything like this sticker before?

797 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:53:58pm

President Obama: Equity Analyst

798 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:05pm

Actually- rereading all the comments in The definitive When Did Cognito Get Banned timeline is pretty funny in light of recent events.

799 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:06pm

re: #758 DistantThunder

Yep - I see that too. When I lived in Canada as an ex-pat I saw charity assumed by the government. I lived in a business friendly part of the country (God bless Alberta) and yet I felt compelled to tell solicitors that I already gave at at the office (tax-man .. at 47.5% tax bracket). Geeze.

800 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:17pm

re: #782 DistantThunder


I thought about writing an article about why liberal women make bad choices in boyfriends and politicians and how the two are connected.

I've had the same idea. That exact thing is playing out in real life on several fronts here in my workplace. It's a legitimate theory.

801 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:35pm

re: #771 Gus 802

What's the worry about saying that Obama will fail or that one hopes he fails: he's already failing.

This is just the beginning of the storm that's brewing as we see cap and trade instituted; increased regulations on businesses and industry; increased taxes on the investment class; increased anti-free-market rhetoric; left-wing foreign policy; increased business taxes; CO2 regulations; card check/union favoritism; dismantling of union oversight; anti-oil exploration policies; anti-gas exploration policies; anti-land development; etc.

Did I miss anything?

Yes, a terror attack.

802 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:35pm

re: #785 Dave the.....

Chavez probably doesn't want to destroy Venezuela, either. On the other hand, he just can't stop making the moves he makes to keep himself in power, and that winds up hurting most of the Venezuelan people.

803 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:37pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

Did ya'll know there is a logo that the O wants affixed to things on which the "recovery" $ is being spent?

Well, there is.

And here are some photoshops for alternate logos.

So now we have a recycling of the "patriotic" NRA eagle and the implicit jack-booted lynching of anyone unwilling to display the symbol of Sovreign Government Control of All Things.

804 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:44pm

re: #792 JohnAdams

Don't remind me. They're about to start with cigarets. Soon most states will also be adding taxes to every single little thing. Higher licensing, registration, and permitting fees.

805 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:45pm

re: #770 nyc redneck

LOL, i agree. i heard it too.
it has been bouncing down since o got elected.
and the people losing money are getting pissed off


The Market actually started it's downward spiral when the 0 got the nomination and then when it was clear he would win.

806 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:54:48pm
You are welcome. Rush said, wonder why he doesn't just put up pictures of himself. The emblem is just as bad, like castro and che.
I am truly afraid for the Country.

Ohhhh, do I have news for you. I was in Chicago in December. Yes, there are banners hanging on the light polls, of The Messiah. It was very fascistic.

807 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:56:28pm

re: #790 avanti

Why don't you just denounce us all as Counter-revolutionaries to your local Kommisar?

808 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:56:45pm

re: #785 Dave the.....

I agree with the thought that he is a very driven politician. I don't think he wants to destroy America, but he's just so ignorant about basic ecocnomic principles, that he really thinks spending trillions and creating all of these gov't programs, will make him popular. After all, everyone in his Chicago circle supports this.

Ayers, a critical part of his Chicago circle, certainly wants to destroy America. Coincidence? Aberrant piece of info?

809 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:57:09pm

re: #774 Gretchen

Yanking your chain. But seriously, most people are clueless about a lot of that stuff. Nobody ever teaches it to them. Its always been a big bitch of mine that high schools do not teach money management 0.1 The kids do not get it in college either. My stock market crud is self taught and picked up on the job when I worked in an investment firm. But unless you go to B School like Bush did, you never get it most places. The type of law he did does not prepare him for bankruptcy law, and bankruptcy law does not really prepare you for what happens in a bankruptcy. Having been around a couple as a distressed debt investory, the basic board looks the same but that is about it. The game gets played differently with each of them.

Anyway, your point is well taken. Our President does not know basics when it comes to the operation or investment in a company.

810 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:57:32pm

re: #802 jaunte

Chavez probably doesn't want to destroy Venezuela, either. On the other hand, he just can't stop making the moves he makes to keep himself in power, and that winds up hurting most of the Venezuelan people.

Remake is a better word, but it will destroy the country ala Zimbabwe. or the UK.

811 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:57:40pm

re: #790 avanti

Hey, I can't fight a good conspiracy story. Once it meshes with existing beliefs, it'll have a life of it's own. You simply start out with the idea that Obama is evil and out to destroy capitalism, then google a decades old concept to fit and ride it like a big dog.

I'm trying to refrain from insults here, but....

Don't you see this guy AS A WHOLE (alllllll his associations, beliefs, education, books, theories, background, etc), then look at what he did IN the campaign, THEN mix them in with what he's doing IN office?

How does it NOT confirm everything we (apparently not YOU) know about him?

Ridiculous.

812 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:57:47pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

Did ya'll know there is a logo that the O wants affixed to things on which the "recovery" $ is being spent?

Well, there is.

And here are some photoshops for alternate logos.

omg, you see even something ostensibly for the citizens of this country, is ultimately abt. O. his symbol presides over all the projects.
what's wrong w/ just using an american flag w/ a logo that represents our country. it's our money, after all.
this is sinister. he thinks he's royalty.
why not just marble statues of the anointed one.

813 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:58:00pm

re: #777 ladycatnip

Obama's latest brilliant plan:


More equitable tax system...restoring the balance... hypnotic phrases to lull us into a warm stupor while Obama makes America into a Third World country.

Can we all just not pay our taxes like all of Obama's appointees?


And the soon to be tax on farmers' dust if it drifts off his property.

814 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:58:31pm

re: #790 avanti

Hey, I can't fight a good conspiracy story. Once it meshes with existing beliefs, it'll have a life of it's own. You simply start out with the idea that Obama is evil and out to destroy capitalism, then google a decades old concept to fit and ride it like a big dog.

I'm not saying he's evil. He actually thinks socialism will work. He thinks he is doing this to make the country better place. I think he is wrong, though. Good intentions are not an acceptable excuse for destroying the wealth of this country.

These are things he has (admittedly) studied his whole life, was (admittedly) drawn to in college and (admittedly) said he wanted to do as President.

815 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:59:10pm

re: #790 avanti

Gosh... I'm away for 5 or 6 hours, and I come back, and you are still stuck on stupid.

816 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:59:40pm

re: #803 FurryOldGuyJeans

Here is the emblem from the 1930's no big deal if you ask me, about the emblem.
NRA Blue Eagle

Good Night All

817 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:00:02pm

re: #806 Dave the.....

Ohhhh, do I have news for you. I was in Chicago in December. Yes, there are banners hanging on the light polls, of The Messiah. It was very fascistic.

Yes, its true. Here in Chicagoland, Obama stickers hats, and buttons are still commonly seen. On bad days, I have to keep myself from saying to the people wearing them: "Well, our economy is in ruins. I trust you are satisfied."

818 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:00:32pm

re: #798 Sharmuta

Actually- rereading all the comments in The definitive When Did Cognito Get Banned timeline is pretty funny in light of recent events.

That post became my first favorited one, thanks Sharm for pointing it out.

819 stevieray  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:00:40pm

Too many people are head-in-the-sand Americans.

Their official motto is "It can't happen here".

You can spot them easily enough -- they refuse to even entertain the notion that a monster could be running the country.

Economic liberty and capitalism can be destroyed in other places... but it can't happen here.

Democracy can be undermined and discredited by voter fraud in other places... but it can't happen here.

Tyrants can create or exacerbate crises to accumulate power in other places... but it can't happen here.

It would be comforting to believe that Obama is a good man, that he has the country's best interests at heart... but that is only a guess. He doesn't have a long, open history of acting in the best interests of mainstream America... he was never vetted properly in the primaries or the general elections... he is an unknown quantity.

No one has any reason to believe in him -- he hasn't earned the right to say "Trust me, I know what I'm doing." And as a cypher, no accusation against him can be dismissed out-of-hand... the truth is, we don't really know him.

He may be a monster, he may be a saint... keep your eyes, your ears, and your mind open. Truth will out.

820 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:01:08pm

re: #782 DistantThunder

I am ignoring those books. Obviously, it is curious that some nobody would walk in off the street with an autobiography and then have somebody publish it. I am not saying that Ayres wrote them, but I agree there appears to be a reasonable proability that he did. I would like to see something that say he wrote for the Harvard Law Review for instance. After all when you are President of the Law Review, you are expected to produce at least one paper. Even as joe random on the staff of Cardozo Law Review, my son had to.

821 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:01:46pm

re: #811 TheMatrix31

I'm trying to refrain from insults here, but....

Don't you see this guy AS A WHOLE (alllllll his associations, beliefs, education, books, theories, background, etc), then look at what he did IN the campaign, THEN mix them in with what he's doing IN office?

How does it NOT confirm everything we (apparently not YOU) know about him?

Ridiculous.

This is identical to trying to talk my cousin out of marrying a guy who had prison tattoos, multiple children by multiple women, was "temporarily" unemployed, had every intention of finishing school, had sketchy friends who gave her the creeps, hated his mother, was like Eddie Haskel when around our family.

Nothing we said made any difference. So she married him, and he embezzled money from her accounts and cheated on her repeatedly. We always wanted him to fail - and quickly.

It really is a type of delusion and self-deception. Admitting any one point of malice and marxist affinity means the scales would start to fall from the eyes of the deluded. When the process does start to happen it is often quick and shocking.

822 Catttt  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #787 reine.de.tout

Or something.
Should I be familiar with the "Free Kevin" bumper-stickers?

Not really. It's a hacker thing.

Kevin Mitnick

Thousands of yellow "Free Kevin" stickers were placed all over the place. He was held without bail for more than four years without trial - longer than just about anyone. No speedy trial for you, Kevin. But he is out now - a security consultant.

I have an autographed bumpersticker from him - his late dad sold them to help raise money for legal fees.

823 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:03pm

Is anyone else out there busier than Hell in their jobs?

Why am I the only one who is completely buried in work?

I really wonder about this.....

824 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:10pm

re: #815 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm away for 5 or 6 hours, and I come back, and you are still stuck on stupid.

What. You expected him to have an epiphany while you were gone?

825 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:17pm

re: #816 Ojoe

Here is the emblem from the 1930's no big deal if you ask me, about the emblem.
NRA Blue Eagle

Good Night All

The lightning bolts are to zap productivity and the gear is to grind us under, right?

826 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:32pm

re: #807 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why don't you just denounce us all as Counter-revolutionaries to your local Kommisar?


Because he wants to work with the right and he's disappointed that you have not yet been assimilated by the Borg.:)

827 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:44pm

re: #816 Ojoe

Here is the emblem from the 1930's no big deal if you ask me, about the emblem.
NRA Blue Eagle

Good Night All

The symbol was used as a litmus test to show if one was patriotic or not. Those that refused to display the symbol was threatened, or worse.

828 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #812 nyc redneck

omg, you see even something ostensibly for the citizens of this country, is ultimately abt. O. his symbol presides over all the projects.
what's wrong w/ just using an american flag w/ a logo that represents our country. it's our money, after all.
this is sinister. he thinks he's royalty.
why not just marble statues of the anointed one.

You see, you ARE indeed in my head:

re: #796 reine.de.tout

. . .
For the O, it's all about his own glorification. Have you ever seen anything like this sticker before?

829 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:54pm

re: #796 reine.de.tout

I am too.
I didn't see your post on this earlier, wouldn't have reposted it if I had.

For the O, it's all about his own glorification. Have you ever seen anything like this sticker before?


Reine, post away, repetition is necessary for some.
The emblem is extremly strange. It is for his own glorification and that is what castro, saddam did. I expect to see large statutes being erected anyday.

830 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:02:59pm

re: #824 Aviator

What. You expected him to have an epiphany while you were gone?

No, not really... but what the fuck, at least a bowel movement.

831 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:27pm

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

People had more liking for machines and electricity then, as more primitive times were still in many people's living memories.

832 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:28pm

re: #823 WindHorse

Is anyone else out there busier than Hell in their jobs?

Why am I the only one who is completely buried in work?

I really wonder about this.....

You are not alone. I am there with you.

833 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:31pm
834 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #822 Catttt

Not really. It's a hacker thing.

Kevin Mitnick

Thousands of yellow "Free Kevin" stickers were placed all over the place. He was held without bail for more than four years without trial - longer than just about anyone. No speedy trial for you, Kevin. But he is out now - a security consultant.

I have an autographed bumpersticker from him - his late dad sold them to help raise money for legal fees.

I bet he's a darned good security consultant!

835 Sosigado  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:44pm

I just want to know how somebody who served in the USN managed to list so far portside. Must have sold secrets to the Russkies.

;-D

836 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:44pm

re: #814 Bloodnok

I'm not saying he's evil. He actually thinks socialism will work. He thinks he is doing this to make the country better place. I think he is wrong, though. Good intentions are not an acceptable excuse for destroying the wealth of this country.

These are things he has (admittedly) studied his whole life, was (admittedly) drawn to in college and (admittedly) said he wanted to do as President.

But a studied person can see that any other socialist society has higher unemployment, lower GDP per person, and lower productivity. Individual human suffering is not Obama's concern. It's about his power at the expense of the innocent.

837 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:03:51pm

re: #826 avanti

Because he wants to work with the right and he's disappointed that you have not yet been assimilated by the Borg.:)

SMACK!

838 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:04:08pm

re: #826 avanti

He wants to DOMINATE any who don't do exactly what he wants, Why else get all petulant and whine "I won!"?

839 Steve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:04:26pm

re: #820 Shr_Nfr

I am ignoring those books. Obviously, it is curious that some nobody would walk in off the street with an autobiography and then have somebody publish it. I am not saying that Ayres wrote them, but I agree there appears to be a reasonable proability that he did. I would like to see something that say he wrote for the Harvard Law Review for instance. After all when you are President of the Law Review, you are expected to produce at least one paper. Even as joe random on the staff of Cardozo Law Review, my son had to.


Isn't everything he wrote while in college locked up so that they cannot be looked at?

840 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:04:32pm

"fits and starts" it's tanking you freak.

841 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #818 FurryOldGuyJeans

That post became my first favorited one, thanks Sharm for pointing it out.

Note how media boy is more than willing to jump on the Jindal bandwagon. Telling.

842 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:05:12pm

re: #820 Shr_Nfr

I am ignoring those books. Obviously, it is curious that some nobody would walk in off the street with an autobiography and then have somebody publish it. I am not saying that Ayres wrote them, but I agree there appears to be a reasonable proability that he did. I would like to see something that say he wrote for the Harvard Law Review for instance. After all when you are President of the Law Review, you are expected to produce at least one paper. Even as joe random on the staff of Cardozo Law Review, my son had to.

His few newspaper articles for a local paper bear absolutely no resembles to his writing style in the books. In fact the writing is stilted and awkward in the articles.

843 Aviator  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:05:23pm

re: #830 Walter L. Newton

No, not really... but what the fuck, at least a bowel movement.

He had a couple of those, or at least a couple of posts that resembled bowel movements.

844 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:05:39pm

re: #836 DistantThunder

But a studied person can see that any other socialist society has higher unemployment, lower GDP per person, and lower productivity. Individual human suffering is not Obama's concern. It's about his power at the expense of the innocent.

Everybody Conga!

845 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:06:12pm

re: #838 FurryOldGuyJeans

He wants to DOMINATE any who don't do exactly what he wants, Why else get all petulant and whine "I won!"?

That little "I won" was childish, immature, and embarrassingly unpresidential.

846 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:06:36pm

re: #831 Ojoe

People had more liking for machines and electricity then, as more primitive times were still in many people's living memories.

Good point. I just remembered the machinery and electricity exhibits at the Chicago Grand Columbian Exposition of 1893 and how new those inventions seemed then. Even by the 30's, they were not yet taken for granted. You point is well taken, and I was only kidding anyway.

847 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:06:46pm

re: #841 Sharmuta

Note how media boy is more than willing to jump on the Jindal bandwagon. Telling.

The media is all in the tank for Jindal, so media boy is only following his peers and "betters".

848 Steve  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:06:55pm

re: #823 WindHorse

Is anyone else out there busier than Hell in their jobs?

Why am I the only one who is completely buried in work?

I really wonder about this.....

I would love to be buried in work. Talked to my HR department today about getting the position that I bid on in early 08 and was awarded but my current super and manager refuse to let me go. Said I was to 'valuable'. And yet I have been laid off since the 22 of December. No work sucks.

849 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:07:09pm

re: #814 Bloodnok

Yeah Evil is a matter of semantics. I do think that this man desires to remake us into the land of "life", "servitude" and "pursuit of a gov check". "Evil"? ... you're call .. I say he's just a tyrant with congressional complicity.

850 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:07:15pm

re: #287 Dr. Shalit

Silvergirl -

When I was Pres. Obama's age (1998) - I could have handled things better than Bill Clinton did in the "Monicagate" situation. With power comes isolation, and "YES" folks. Bet Pres. Clinton wished he had Dick Morris back around then.

Every high elected official should endeavor to have a few "NO's" around for their Mental and Political Health.

-S-

Yes, there should be a few "NO's" around, but I don't know how much Joe Biden is using the word NO these days. The things I quoted were during the election. I don't know that Obama takes Biden all that seriously, but has more of an "Oh, that Joe" mindset.

851 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:07:39pm

re: #833 taxfreekiller

TFK, I get the feeling you aren't really talking about coyotes and hogs.

852 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:07:40pm

re: #845 reine.de.tout

That little "I won" was childish, immature, and embarrassingly unpresidential.

Yet has been typical of the character of the man.

853 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:08:33pm
854 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:08:49pm

re: #852 FurryOldGuyJeans

what character?

855 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #809 Shr_Nfr Thanks, I understood your points and they are well taken.

I began believing Obama was clueless about the economy (and everything else besides prepared oratory, campaigning, and looking elegant in a suit), started to believe he was purposefully trashing the economy and am now moving back to thinking he's just clueless. I don't know if that's a defensive mechanism on my part because clueless actually scares me less than masterminding a collapse.

God help us!

856 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:09:07pm

re: #853 taxfreekiller

gig 'em.

857 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:09:11pm

re: #822 Catttt

Oh, so he was a clever thief.

Nice.

858 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:09:18pm

re: #841 Sharmuta

Note how media boy is more than willing to jump on the Jindal bandwagon. Telling.

To be fair, Sharm, I don't think that Cognito was boosting Jindal. He was just being foolishly contrary, and he got a time-out for it.

859 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:09:45pm

re: #849 Dominic Yeso

Yeah Evil is a matter of semantics. I do think that this man desires to remake us into the land of "life", "servitude" and "pursuit of a gov check". "Evil"? ... you're call .. I say he's just a tyrant with congressional complicity.

M. Scott Peck, a psychiatrist who wrote the Road Less Travelled, and people of the Lie, said that the essence of evil was selfishness and laziness. Obama fits the definition of both: he doesn't want to earn respect legitimately, but first lies and promises all things to all people, then does what is best for him.

860 Ateam  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:05pm

re: #698 pink freud

I'm not exactly sure what you said, newbie, but it's nice to see you adding your two cents. Welcome!

/Demok idiots ....yep!

I wanta to say that if yo r a US citizen, which I'm not, do play your plot at the market place. Sell short/ or better write puts options. Do it with strategy offensive mottoes. Make a lot of money for troubler's times. Mr. O will be your president till 2016. I fear.

861 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:09pm

re: #814 Bloodnok

I will let a cat out of a bag. I was raised as a Quaker and went off to college in 1966. Right smack dab in the center of all the hippie hooha, civil rights, and the whole thing. There were lots of people that thought they were doing good things. Some of them even did. But for the most part, I came to the conclusion that most of them were so ignoring the results of their actions that is was laughable. Nice to pretend that if you play Ghandi everything will turn up roses, but it does not happen that way very often. Yeah, Obama is a real dyed in the wool Communist/Socialist. Stanley was like that before him. I think that I remember that his grandparents took Stanley to a school whose principal was a distinguished Communist/Socialst type in Oregon. This is how the guy was raised. He is acting true to this. I would not expect otherwise. But by the same token, I have stopped being a practicing Quaker a long, long time ago, and I also think that Obama is naive and does not know or study history. When you work in the stock market, as I do, you study a lot of history, religion, and psychology. It tells you how people react. Obama is no student of history, and I doubt much of a good student of anything else either.

862 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:24pm

re: #854 WindHorse

what character?

Even an absence is still a component of character.

863 Mirage  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:38pm

re: #852 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet has been typical of the character of the man.

I was just going to say ... aren't those the very characteristics he exhibits? Beat me to it.

864 Syrah  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:45pm

Thomas Sowell and a Conflict of Visions

Obama is not that difficult to understand.

865 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:10:53pm
866 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:11:07pm

re: #858 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Sharm, I don't think that Cognito was boosting Jindal. He was just being foolishly contrary, and he got a time-out for it.

I, on the other hand, think he's an embedded msm hack.

867 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:02pm

re: #823 WindHorse

Is anyone else out there busier than Hell in their jobs?

Why am I the only one who is completely buried in work?

I really wonder about this.....

Up to my ass on a barstool.

But it's more panic than plenty. More for less!

868 esch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:03pm

re: #792 JohnAdams

You'll get taxed for farting.

Well, I'm screwed then.

/

869 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:30pm

re: #860 Ateam

Where are you, Ateam, if you don't mind saying?

870 SummerSong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:12:31pm

re: #834 reine.de.tout

I bet he's a darned good security consultant!

I'm a friend of a friend ...he is good!

871 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:06pm

re: #862 FurryOldGuyJeans

nothing personal, but I disagree. You either have character, or you lack character. Obama lacks character.... and there ain't nuthin we can do about it.

872 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:28pm

Aw, hell.
My computer is running some sort of security check in the background which means everything else is slow as Christmas, I'm finished typing an entire sentence before the letters start to show up. And forget about getting new comments.

G'night, all!

873 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:13:36pm

re: #814 Bloodnok

I'm not saying he's evil. He actually thinks socialism will work. He thinks he is doing this to make the country better place. I think he is wrong, though. Good intentions are not an acceptable excuse for destroying the wealth of this country.

These are things he has (admittedly) studied his whole life, was (admittedly) drawn to in college and (admittedly) said he wanted to do as President.

If you substituted "thinks liberalism" for thinks socialism, we'd be pretty uch in agreement except, we don't yet know if he's wrong. His political leanings were no mystery, he's doing pretty much what he said he'd do on the trail. No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.

874 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:07pm

re: #861 Shr_Nfr

Good post, Shr_Nfr, but I have to say I think he has more than just a beginner's grasp of psychology.

875 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:11pm

re: #859 DistantThunder

An interesting definition - more suitable to open rational analysis. Good come back.

Hey - your MO? x-arty?

876 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:14:31pm

re: #872 reine.de.tout

Nite, reine!

877 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:01pm

re: #873 avanti

If you substituted "thinks liberalism" for thinks socialism, we'd be pretty uch in agreement except, we don't yet know if he's wrong. His political leanings were no mystery, he's doing pretty much what he said he'd do on the trail. No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.

NO, no- carrying out the socialist agenda.

878 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:07pm

the Man got his foot on mah neck, but ever' now and then he lets me breathe a little.

879 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #866 Sharmuta

I, on the other hand, think he's an embedded msm hack.

Sorry, I brought it back up. You and I simply hold opposite points of view on that issue.

880 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:19pm

Hey y'all - sorry to be late - excuse me, tardy - tonight, lots of e-mails to catch up on and chores and such.
What all are we talking about?

881 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #866 Sharmuta

I, on the other hand, think he's an embedded msm hack.

Whether he is just being contrary or an embed, he still actively goes out of his way to be a provocateur and royal pain in the ass.

882 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:41pm

re: #850 Silvergirl

Yes, there should be a few "NO's" around, but I don't know how much Joe Biden is using the word NO these days. The things I quoted were during the election. I don't know that Obama takes Biden all that seriously, but has more of an "Oh, that Joe" mindset.

Why wouldn't he take Joe Biden seriously...come on! Nobody messes with Joe!

883 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:42pm

re: #875 Dominic Yeso

An interesting definition - more suitable to open rational analysis. Good come back.

Hey - your MO? x-arty?

?

884 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15:57pm

re: #839 Steve

Yep. Wonder why? But anway, for a starts, lets go look at his college and law school application. We might find some interesting claims to citizenship. I doubt much of anything I ever wrote in college except for my Master's and PhD theses survive, but they are around and in the library up at MIT.

885 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:10pm

re: #873 avanti

If you substituted "thinks liberalism" for thinks socialism, we'd be pretty uch in agreement except, we don't yet know if he's wrong. His political leanings were no mystery, he's doing pretty much what he said he'd do on the trail. No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.

Well, on the "trail" he said "redistribute the wealth." That's no mystery either. Me thinks he thinks socialism, don'tcha thing?

886 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:28pm

re: #879 Dark_Falcon

So how about that socialist in the White House? Is he a piece of work or what?

887 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:38pm

re: #871 WindHorse

nothing personal, but I disagree. You either have character, or you lack character. Obama lacks character.... and there ain't nuthin we can do about it.

We are arguing semantics, then. On the essentials we agree.

888 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:16:49pm

re: #842 DistantThunder

His few newspaper articles for a local paper bear absolutely no resembles to his writing style in the books. In fact the writing is stilted and awkward in the articles.

interesting that he did not exhibit any talent for writing.
there are no law review articles (he was editor of harvard law review), no articles published in law journals from when he "taught" law, no senior thesis, no college papers, nothing except the one self conscious poem abt. the apes eating figs
(ridiculous)

889 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:20pm

re: #881 FurryOldGuyJeans

Whether he is just being contrary or an embed, he still actively goes out of his way to be a provocateur and royal pain in the ass.

No, no that's my fucking job. I've been robbed.

890 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:43pm

re: #878 rawmuse

the Man got his foot on mah neck, but ever' now and then he lets me breathe a little.

Thomas Sowell wrote an article about the salves in MD who would work at various jobs during the week, and then visit their MASTER's once week, and turn over most of their paychecks. he made the point that this is who we have become. We just have an illusion of freedom.

891 esch  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:44pm

re: #873 avanti

Now that's just ignorant.

892 Syrah  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:17:59pm

re: #880 realwest

Hey y'all - sorry to be late - excuse me, tardy - tonight, lots of e-mails to catch up on and chores and such.
What all are we talking about?

We are discussing, in a round about way, the nature of good and evil in the spirit and actions of our fellow human beings. It is just mostly revolving around Obama's trashing of the country an of our economy.

893 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:00pm
894 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:17pm

re: #888 nyc redneck

interesting that he did not exhibit any talent for writing.
there are no law review articles (he was editor of harvard law review), no articles published in law journals from when he "taught" law, no senior thesis, no college papers, nothing except the one self conscious poem abt. the apes eating figs
(ridiculous)

Damned straight it's ridiculous. The birds got all my figs ... the apes were no problem.

/

895 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #873 avanti

If you substituted "thinks liberalism" for thinks socialism, we'd be pretty uch in agreement except, we don't yet know if he's wrong. His political leanings were no mystery, he's doing pretty much what he said he'd do on the trail. No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.

I will let someone else continue this as it is late and I do not have the time or the patience to teach you about socialism tonight. But will leave you by saying that what he is doing is not liberalism. What Congress is doing is not liberalism.

On second thought you are right. It's not socialism. It's fascism. What the government is not taking ownership of it is seeking to control through regulation. Socialism with private property is fascism. Thanks for setting me straight.

896 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:20pm

re: #873 avanti

If you substituted "thinks liberalism" for thinks socialism, we'd be pretty uch in agreement except, we don't yet know if he's wrong. His political leanings were no mystery, he's doing pretty much what he said he'd do on the trail. No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.

His brand of "liberalism" is socialism. My God, avanti, have you no eyes? Do you not see?!

897 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:32pm

re: #873 avanti

You keep spinning so you can ignore the overarching shove for full-on Socialism.

898 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #851 pink freud

TFK, I get the feeling you aren't really talking about coyotes and hogs.

you should have read the poem he wrote abt. the cows in the raging swirling river.

899 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #885 Walter L. Newton

Well, on the "trail" he said "redistribute the wealth." That's no mystery either. Me thinks he thinks socialism, don'tcha thing?

Exactly ... and his MEchelle wants a piece of your pie ! ...When he said it the first time he meant it ...Obama Wants Redistribution of Wealth ... what part of that do some people not understand ... oh, that's right ...the people who are IN LOVE with Obama ...

900 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:27pm

Is 0bama a socialist? I say three words: Spread. The. Wealth.

901 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:19:27pm

re: #880 realwest

Hey y'all - sorry to be late - excuse me, tardy - tonight, lots of e-mails to catch up on and chores and such.
What all are we talking about?

Cognito was being his usual contrary self, with assistance be his fellow lizard/troll hybrid, avanti.

902 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:04pm

re: #873 avanti

No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right.


You think that's all it will do?
"Country goes to hell in a handbasket. Right ticked off."
Uh-huh.

903 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:14pm

re: #874 pink freud

I won't argue that. As a lawyer you have to understand psychology to present your case. Anybody who has to be effective in public speaking really has to. Hitler read Freud on Mob Psychology for instance. But with that said, I do not think his depth is sufficient to implement his plans without some very heavy duty hand holding by other people. Away from the teleprompter he begins to choke a bit and lose his way.

904 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:15pm

re: #888 nyc redneck

interesting that he did not exhibit any talent for writing.
there are no law review articles (he was editor of harvard law review), no articles published in law journals from when he "taught" law, no senior thesis, no college papers, nothing except the one self conscious poem abt. the apes eating figs
(ridiculous)

The articles were written while he was a congrewsman so they would have been after at least the first book. It is very, very suspect.

905 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:31pm

re: #882 Gretchen

Why wouldn't he take Joe Biden seriously...come on! Nobody messes with Joe!

SO true! LOL

Did you see that link on the front page that shows Biden dressed as a Barney Fife type sherriff?

906 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:20:44pm

re: #880 realwest

Avanti and Cognito are saying give 0 a chance, he can't possible be as bad as we conspiracy theorists seem to believe. NYC Redneck is still in my head, reine just went to bed, Walter's on board, Sharm thinks cog is a MSM plant, and Shr_Nfr wants to see 0's college writing.

907 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:02pm

re: #902 solomonpanting

That's assuming 'the right' is the only segment of society concerned about their lost retirement money.

908 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #906 pink freud

Avanti and Cognito are saying give 0 a chance...

Ah, no. That's not what I said, thanks.

909 jet2nc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:31pm

The Obama economic team needs to understand 3 basic things:
1. The economic policies of Jimmy Carter they are implementing have failed before, they are failing again. It took years for Jimmy to do the damage to our economy that Obama's team has been able to do in a few weeks.
2. When the stock markets are doing well the country is doing well. Jobs are being created and the country is prospering and all citizens benefit. Perhaps Economic Advisers should be hired who understand how the US economy works, who were successful in their businesses, who understand current tax laws and pay their taxes on time.
3. Tax increases, even if targeted to select groups, hurt everyone. Less money in the publics hands means more money for the government to spend. This is like spreading manure on cement. It stinks and nothing will ever grow.

Obama supporters, please remove your Obama bumper sticker carefully. You should be tired of the mean stares in your rear view mirror by now. Fold the bumper sticker to the size of a dollar bill. Tear it in half. Throw half away, think of it as half of your retirement income. Place the remaining half in your wallet. Use it as a reminder. A reminder every time you make a purchase, that you are responsible for the current economic turmoil which is causing hardships for you, your friends, your neighbors and other citizens. A reminder that President Obama and his economic team do not understand the difference between a hard earned dollar bill and a piece of paper that contains a failed promise.

910 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:35pm

re: #893 taxfreekiller

tfk.... one of the best things you have written.

I am over
hear
working my ass off
filing my teeth.....

911 mattm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:40pm
The stock market is story of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day-to-day,“ Obama said.

Except it has gown DOWN not up since you took office.

We elected a Retard!

912 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:21:41pm
913 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:15pm

re: #883 DistantThunder

Ah, your MO - "Distant Thunder" had me curious if you were an ex or current Artillery person.

914 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:33pm

Is anyone here certain that Avanti and Cognito aren't one in the same?

915 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:38pm

re: #888 nyc redneck
Hey there nyc redneck! If we're talking about Obama's demonstrated lack of knowledge or "hidden" lack of knowledge of things economic, I'm re-posting something here from the "Russia picks Obama's Pocket or whatever the first new thread of Tuesday March 3rd was called:

I know I'm taking off from Athos's#454 somewhat here, but

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.
Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.
The Democrats who now run Washington don't want to hear this, because they benefit from blaming all bad economic news on President Bush. And Mr. Obama has inherited an unusual recession deepened by credit problems, both of which will take time to climb out of. But it's also true that the economy has fallen far enough, and long enough, that much of the excess that led to recession is being worked off. Already 15 months old, the current recession will soon match the average length -- and average job loss -- of the last three postwar downturns. What goes down will come up -- unless destructive policies interfere with the sources of potential recovery.

[Link: [Link: online.wsj.com...]
And that interference with the sources of potential recovery will, I submit, create greater consternation throughout the World than Obama ever would have guessed upon.
It's bad enough - Lord knows - that Obama is taking us down, but he really is taking the world down with us economically.

916 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:48pm

re: #906 pink freud

Avanti and Cognito are saying give 0 a chance, he can't possible be as bad as we conspiracy theorists seem to believe. NYC Redneck is still in my head, reine just went to bed, Walter's on board, Sharm thinks cog is a MSM plant, and Shr_Nfr wants to see 0's college writing.

Hey Pink ... I just got here ...but count me in on ... OBAMA IS SUCKING US DOWN THE DRAIN ...I just cannot help myself ...

917 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:55pm

Oh, hahaha.

The conspiracy comes full circle.

918 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:22:56pm

re: #907 jaunte

That's assuming 'the right' is the only segment of society concerned about their lost retirement money.

Akin to the old one:

"Nuclear war destroys world. Women and children hit hardest."

919 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:02pm

re: #893 taxfreekiller

The snake won?

920 mattm  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:15pm

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

921 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:22pm

re: #885 Walter L. Newton

Well, on the "trail" he said "redistribute the wealth." That's no mystery either. Me thinks he thinks socialism, don'tcha thing?

That's what a regressive tax does if that socialism, we've got it.

922 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:37pm

re: #914 WindHorse

Two people, definitely.

923 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:23:55pm

re: #919 pink freud

The snake won?

I just know the scorpion stings the frog.

924 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:10pm

re: #898 nyc redneck

you should have read the poem he wrote abt. the cows in the raging swirling river.

I'll find it. He's in my head too. :-)

925 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:26pm

re: #922 jaunte

two people, one mind?

926 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:45pm

re: #873 avanti

No question carrying out the liberal agenda he promised is gong to tick off the right any American with an IRA or 401(k).

Fixed that for you....

/worthless tool

927 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:56pm

re: #903 Shr_Nfr

I won't argue that. As a lawyer you have to understand psychology to present your case. Anybody who has to be effective in public speaking really has to. Hitler read Freud on Mob Psychology for instance. But with that said, I do not think his depth is sufficient to implement his plans without some very heavy duty hand holding by other people. Away from the teleprompter he begins to choke a bit and lose his way.

You've gotta admit that, in this country and most or present company excluded, the electorate is largely made up of media-induced stooges who are easy victim to the rhetorical charms of a charlatan like Obama. He came along at the right time, and said the right things.

That said I take solace in the fact that the majority of people who actually produce in this country are being galvanized by the minute. The anti-Obama backlash will be powerful.

928 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:24:59pm

re: #909 jet2nc

The Obama economic team needs to understand 3 basic things:
1. The economic policies of Jimmy Carter they are implementing have failed before, they are failing again. It took years for Jimmy to do the damage to our economy that Obama's team has been able to do in a few weeks.
2. When the stock markets are doing well the country is doing well. Jobs are being created and the country is prospering and all citizens benefit. Perhaps Economic Advisers should be hired who understand how the US economy works, who were successful in their businesses, who understand current tax laws and pay their taxes on time.
3. Tax increases, even if targeted to select groups, hurt everyone. Less money in the publics hands means more money for the government to spend. This is like spreading manure on cement. It stinks and nothing will ever grow.

Obama supporters, please remove your Obama bumper sticker carefully. You should be tired of the mean stares in your rear view mirror by now. Fold the bumper sticker to the size of a dollar bill. Tear it in half. Throw half away, think of it as half of your retirement income. Place the remaining half in your wallet. Use it as a reminder. A reminder every time you make a purchase, that you are responsible for the current economic turmoil which is causing hardships for you, your friends, your neighbors and other citizens. A reminder that President Obama and his economic team do not understand the difference between a hard earned dollar bill and a piece of paper that contains a failed promise.

We should have been teaching our kids how a job is made instead of how to give a blow job without getting an STD (impossible since condom don't restrict all viruses.)

929 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:04pm

re: #914 WindHorse

Is anyone here certain that Avanti and Cognito aren't one in the same?

No, no. Cognito actually understands a concept, he just plays dumb. Avanti is dumb.

930 Sosigado  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:09pm

re: #914 WindHorse

Is anyone here certain that Avanti and Cognito aren't one in the same?

Well, they're both irritating as hell, but I guess a lot of people share that trait.

931 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:25:28pm

re: #925 WindHorse

two people, one mind?

Naw, unique, like snowflakes...

932 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:06pm

The msm is the scorpion.

933 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:11pm

re: #908 Cognito

Ah, no. That's not what I said, thanks.

You've been equivocating all over the place. That's how I see it.

934 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:24pm

re: #933 pink freud

You've been equivocating all over the place. That's how I see it.

Please quote.

935 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:42pm

re: #892 Syrah
Hi Syrah - I sorta gathered that from a very quick scanning of the last 100 posts or so, but you put it so elegantly!
Thanks!

936 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:43pm

re: #931 jaunte

okay everybody.... Jaunte, Cognito and Avanti are all the same person....

/jkjkjkjk

937 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:49pm

re: #933 pink freud

Not Cognito! Surely you jest.

938 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:55pm

re: #902 solomonpanting

You think that's all it will do?
"Country goes to hell in a handbasket. Right ticked off."
Uh-huh.

Could be worse "Economy recovers, BO succeedes", Rush really ticked off.

939 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:26:58pm

re: #921 avanti

Re regressive taxes - how so? We have some but where where is your point? Our income tax certainly isn't.

940 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:32pm

re: #916 JacksonTn

Good to see you, Jackson! You make it home ok?

941 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:27:43pm

re: #914 WindHorse

Is anyone here certain that Avanti and Cognito aren't one in the same?

Cognito's Karma: 1,190

avanti's Karma: -730

Cognito is contrary, but he is often entertaining. avanti is mostly just plain wrong.

942 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #894 OldLineTexan

Damned straight it's ridiculous. The birds got all my figs ... the apes were no problem.

/


Can't someone get a hold of these papers. He had to write something, it has to be somewhere.

943 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:28:44pm

re: #941 Dark_Falcon

Cognito's Karma: 1,190

avanti's Karma: -730

Cognito is contrary, but he is often entertaining. avanti is mostly just plain wrong.

Ha. Pay no attention to karma.

I've got a little fanclub who goes back into the archives and dings down posts. Which is fine, as it gives them something to do at no one else's expense.

944 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:28:56pm

re: #938 avanti

Could be worse "Economy recovers, BO succeedes", Rush really ticked off.

OK, now you're just being an ass.

945 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:29:23pm

Ugh. We just got the obligatory "show me where I said that" post.

And with that we get Bloodnok's departure.

Good night sweet folkses.

946 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:09pm

re: #945 Bloodnok

Ugh. We just got the obligatory "show me where I said that" post.

And with that we get Bloodnok's departure.

Good night sweet folkses.

Yes, agreed, it's a horrible standard.

947 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:22pm

re: #943 Cognito

Ha. Pay no attention to karma.

I've got a little fanclub who goes back into the archives and dings down posts. Which is fine, as it gives them something to do at no one else's expense.

I know. On occasion, I go through those same posts and upding you. I work to keep things evened out.

948 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:36pm

re: #947 Dark_Falcon

Hey, thanks.

949 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:30:37pm

re: #941 Dark_Falcon

yeah, but have you looked up the definition of schizophrenia lately?

(Honestly, Cognito is nominally likable because he has a sense of humor that I appreciate)

950 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:02pm

re: #938 avanti

Could be worse "Economy recovers, BO succeedes", Rush really ticked off.

For Obama to succeed with his disasterous policies would be like a slasher succeeding in operating on a patient in lieu of a surgeon. The slasher's techniques are are intended to do the opposite of the surgeon's techniques.

951 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:17pm

re: #949 WindHorse

yeah, but have you looked up the definition of schizophrenia lately?

(Honestly, Cognito is nominally likable because he has a sense of humor that I appreciate)

And so do I.

952 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:20pm
953 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:43pm

weet dreams all

954 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:51pm

re: #934 Cognito

Please quote.



"That's how I see it."

955 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:31:54pm

re: #934 Cognito

Please quote.

Why bother? You will just deny it or say you were taken out of context.

956 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:20pm

re: #940 pink freud

Good to see you, Jackson! You make it home ok?

Yes ...thanks for asking ...I got spoiled during the winter when it is slow and was able to get online more ... now I am lucky if can just come and read some and ding comments ...gonna be really busy soon shipping season on my farms ...you know one thing that is selling now ... anything that you can grown in your yard and eat ... also vegetable seed sales are up ... we are making money but now we are gonna have to give it up in more taxes to ... Obama lovers ... what's the point in busting your ass ... I think some of Obama lovers need to come and work my farms in the summer ...

957 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:31pm

re: #955 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why bother? You will just deny it or say you were taken out of context.

Go for it. By all means.

Fear not.

958 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:47pm

re: #901 Dark_Falcon
Ah! I'm kinda mystified here, though. For quite a while recently Cognitio has been very thoughtful and mature in his approach to political matters. Avanti started out being a dick, but then seemed to come around for quite a while and - while still exhibiting trollish behavior - would frequently ask provocative questions (and I mean that in a good way) and would at least TRY to learn from what the multitude of LGFer's were trying to teach him, then went back to being a dick!
So who's dragging who(m?!) down here - Cognitio draggin' Avanti down with him or Avanti dragging Cognitio down with him?!

959 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:32:49pm

re: #910 WindHorse

tfk.... one of the best things you have written.

I am over
hear
working my ass off
filing my teeth.....

see, that's what i'm talking abt.
poetry

960 JCM  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:37pm
961 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:33:47pm

re: #939 Dominic Yeso

Re regressive taxes - how so? We have some but where where is your point? Our income tax certainly isn't.

The rich have always paid more. The famous share the wealth comment to Joe the Plumber was all about ending the GW tax cut to the top brackets. Going from 32 to the previous 36%. That was the origin of the entire wealth redistribution comment. If a 36% bracket is socialism, it was much higher under Reagan.

962 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:06pm

re: #959 nyc redneck

tfk - yes....

ahem.

963 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:09pm

re: #938 avanti

Could be worse [A]"Economy recovers, [B]BO succeedes", Rush really ticked off.

[A] and [B] are mutually exclusive.

964 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:16pm

re: #956 JacksonTn

Fresh corn was $2.00 an ear here, last week.

965 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:28pm

re: #906 pink freud
Woot! That's a really consise yet complete answer, thanks pink freund!

966 Archimedes  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:34:44pm

Obama is looking at the big picture, huh?

It's Wrongway Obama, running in for a touchdown against his own team.

967 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:15pm

re: #957 Cognito

You just have to be a horse's ass, so why should I be the one to stop you?

968 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #965 realwest

Woot! That's a really consise yet complete answer, thanks pink freund!

Except no, I've said no such thing as that.

So it may be concise, but it's also incorrect.

969 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:27pm
970 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:35:39pm

re: #967 FurryOldGuyJeans

You just have to be a horse's ass, so why should I be the one to stop you?

Have it your way.

Facts are hard.

971 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:05pm

re: #964 pink freud

Fresh corn was $2.00 an ear here, last week.

I know ... that is why people are buying fruit trees and vegetable seeds ...it's kinda like a comfort thing for people ...good for me but nothing will last long if dipshit Obama sells this country down the river ...TO ANYONE HERE TO VOTED FOR OBAMA ...F*CK YOU ...I don't care how that sounds ...

972 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:19pm

re: #965 realwest

You're welcome RealWest! You seem like you're in an especially feisty and GOOD mood this evening. I hope this means you are feeling better!

973 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:36:40pm

re: #966 Archimedes

Obama is looking at the big picture, huh?

It's Wrongway Obama, running in for a touchdown against his own team.

His whole idea of looking at the big picture is saying the markets and the economy are a popularity poll reflecting directly on him.

974 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:08pm

re: #971 JacksonTn

I know ... that is why people are buying fruit trees and vegetable seeds ...it's kinda like a comfort thing for people ...good for me but nothing will last long if dipshit Obama sells this country down the river ...TO ANYONE HERE TO VOTED FOR OBAMA ...F*CK YOU ...I don't care how that sounds ...

It sounded quite clear to me!

975 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:14pm

re: #944 Dark_Falcon

OK, now you're just being an ass.

To be fair, I have the right to be a smart ass on occasion after all the name calling I get every evening. I try to stay civil with the droller, idiot and the like labels, but occasionally I'll be a ass.

976 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:18pm

re: #961 avanti

OK. I understand your example to be "progressive" taxes rather then regressive. Perhaps we have terms reversed. Regressive to me means something like gasoline taxes - we all pay the same regardless of income.

977 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:37:19pm

re: #912 taxfreekiller
Hey TFK! Those weren't Korean civilians (and for the unitiated we should say South Koreans) those were probably guys on leave from the White Horse Division - no shit, they used to take their time off to go hunting Charlie! LOL!

978 jaunte  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:07pm

An optimistic note: times are tough, but so are humans.
via Ace of Spades ([Link: ace.mu.nu...] who has an overnight thread on Things that Make you go Boom: The Man Who Stuck His Head Inside a Particle Accelerator

[Link: www.sonicbomb.com...]

979 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:29pm

When I first heard of 0bama, I couldn't help but being reminded of the Tax guy from the movie Popeye:

980 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:38:41pm

re: #970 Cognito

So now we know why you avoid them like the plague!

Actually you want it to be all YOUR way.

981 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #942 newsjunkie_ky

Can't someone get a hold of these papers. He had to write something, it has to be somewhere.

i don't think any of his records have been released.
tho he has been touted to be a genius, the smartest potus we have ever had,
graduated at the top of his class at harvard etc. NO PROOF.

982 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:07pm

re: #971 JacksonTn

I know ... that is why people are buying fruit trees and vegetable seeds ...it's kinda like a comfort thing for people ...good for me but nothing will last long if dipshit Obama sells this country down the river ...TO ANYONE HERE TO VOTED FOR OBAMA ...F*CK YOU ...I don't care how that sounds ...

My brother voted for Obama and when I sent him an article by Dr. Sowell along with his biography of 90 peer reviewed articles, my brother wrote back and said, "How can you believe this stuff?" I was shocked, and then felt despair like i was dealing with someone in a cult.

983 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:22pm

re: #920 mattm
Uh, please see my #915 - which I poached off of Athos, GMTA!

984 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:24pm

re: #958 realwest

Ah! I'm kinda mystified here, though. For quite a while recently Cognitio has been very thoughtful and mature in his approach to political matters. Avanti started out being a dick, but then seemed to come around for quite a while and - while still exhibiting trollish behavior - would frequently ask provocative questions (and I mean that in a good way) and would at least TRY to learn from what the multitude of LGFer's were trying to teach him, then went back to being a dick!
So who's dragging who(m?!) down here - Cognitio draggin' Avanti down with him or Avanti dragging Cognitio down with him?!

Cognito has not been immature tonight. He simply does not ascribe the same malign intentions to President Obama that I do (there's some contrarianism at work, too, but if there were none the Coginto would not be Cognito). avanti is simply refusing to see reality, and he's rooting for Obama whereas Cognito is at least saying that Obama is being foolish.

985 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:39:38pm

re: #976 Dominic Yeso

OK. I understand your example to be "progressive" taxes rather then regressive. Perhaps we have terms reversed. Regressive to me means something like gasoline taxes - we all pay the same regardless of income.

More likely I screwed up and used the wrong label. I pulled a Obama.

986 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #979 gmsc

Preview is your embedding friend.

987 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:17pm

re: #982 DistantThunder

My brother voted for Obama and when I sent him an article by Dr. Sowell along with his biography of 90 peer reviewed articles, my brother wrote back and said, "How can you believe this stuff?" I was shocked, and then felt despair like i was dealing with someone in a cult.

Yes ... I have a niece and her husband like that ... one day I am hoping they will snap out of it ...

988 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:21pm

re: #971 JacksonTn

There's some interesting posts upthread from posters discussing growing their own and freezing. Good post about freezing tomatoes on a cookie sheet on wax paper and then bagging after they are frozen. Thawed, they're kind of mushy, perfect for tomato sauce. I buy my plants this weekend. :-)

989 Zack  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:24pm

Oh boy. The kool-aid was tasty for those who drank deeply of it. I did not, however, and now I'll need something stronger to help me deal with the embarrassment.

990 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #980 FurryOldGuyJeans

So now we know why you avoid them like the plague!

Actually you want it to be all YOUR way.

Right....

Well done. Really well done.

991 Ateam  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:19pm

re: #869 pink freud

I'm here, Tel-Aviv, Israel, seconds from d send beach. Ready to surf.

992 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:24pm

re: #975 avanti

To be fair, I have the right to be a smart ass on occasion after all the name calling I get every evening. I try to stay civil with the droller, idiot and the like labels, but occasionally I'll be a ass.

I won't label you, avanti, but I will call you out when I think you're out of line.

993 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:49pm

re: #986 Sharmuta

Preview is your embedding friend.

Point taken.

994 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:41:54pm

re: #975 avanti

To be fair, I have the right to be a smart ass on occasion after all the name calling I get every evening. I try to stay civil with the droller, idiot and the like labels, but occasionally I'll be a ass.

Does that angel sitting on your right shoulder ever whisper in your ear: "They're right, avanti, THEY'RE RIGHT!" ?

995 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:01pm

re: #984 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, yes, that's a fair assessment.

996 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:26pm

re: #989 Zack

Oh boy. The kool-aid was tasty for those who drank deeply of it. I did not, however, and now I'll need something stronger to help me deal with the embarrassment.

You were an Obama supporter?

997 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:34pm

re: #936 WindHorse

okay everybody.... Jaunte, Cognito and Avanti are all the same person....

/jkjkjkjk

I have always speculated Media Boy is either Dan Rather's or Mary Mape's sock pupput.

998 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:35pm

re: #985 avanti

More likely I screwed up and used the wrong label. I pulled a Obama.

Why would we expect you to understand taxes and finances any better than your Savior Obama?

In that one sentence above, you suddenly contradict everything you have been saying for the last hour.

Stuck on stupid.

999 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:42:39pm

Howdy, Honcos. Have we solved all of the world's problems yet?

1000 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:17pm

re: #988 pink freud

There's some interesting posts upthread from posters discussing growing their own and freezing. Good post about freezing tomatoes on a cookie sheet on wax paper and then bagging after they are frozen. Thawed, they're kind of mushy, perfect for tomato sauce. I buy my plants this weekend. :-)

Great! ...I don't grow tomato plants as a crop but we are thinking of strawberry plants in the greenhouses ...they are fast growing as opposed to trees and we already grow so many varieties of those ... we are expanding our varieties this year ...

1001 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:24pm

Did anyone else see Blockbuster stock today?

They announced they were hiring a firm for bankruptcy advice, and it dropped 77% on the news!

1002 Opilio  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:43:27pm

re: #961 avanti

If a 36% bracket is socialism, it was much higher under Reagan.

When Reagan took office, the top federal income tax bracket stood at 70%. When he left office 8 years later, it was 28%. It climbed to nearly 40% under Clinton.

1003 Archimedes  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:02pm

re: #973 FurryOldGuyJeans

His whole idea of looking at the big picture is saying the markets and the economy are a popularity poll reflecting directly on him.

Absolutely, and even if he's not popular on some issue, the media will cover for him in some way.

1004 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:03pm

re: #999 Pvt Bin Jammin

Howdy, Honcos. Have we solved all of the world's problems yet?

No. 0bama is still in office.

1005 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:12pm

re: #997 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always speculated Media Boy is either Dan Rather's or Mary Mape's sock pupput puppet.

*sigh*

1006 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:15pm

re: #943 Cognito
Hey Cog - listen, I reported your comment to Charles cause if, as you said "I've got a little fanclub who goes back into the archives and dings down posts." then that's just not right. It really is dishonest for someone to go BACK into the ARCHIVES to ding someone down.
They ought to do it while it's fresh or not do it at all.

1007 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:25pm

re: #991 Ateam

Sounds wonderful!

1008 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:44:50pm

re: #982 DistantThunder

My brother voted for Obama and when I sent him an article by Dr. Sowell along with his biography of 90 peer reviewed articles, my brother wrote back and said, "How can you believe this stuff?" I was shocked, and then felt despair like i was dealing with someone in a cult.

that's why i had to take a sabbatical from my lib friends

1009 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:45:31pm

re: #995 Cognito

Thank you, yes, that's a fair assessment.

If you like it, put an upding on it. :) Just my little riff on Beyonce's Single Ladies.

1010 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:22pm

re: #1006 realwest

Hey Cog - listen, I reported your comment to Charles cause if, as you said "I've got a little fanclub who goes back into the archives and dings down posts." then that's just not right. It really is dishonest for someone to go BACK into the ARCHIVES to ding someone down.
They ought to do it while it's fresh or not do it at all.

Ah, not to worry, realwest. It's completely inconsequential.

Nice of you to stand up about it, though.

1011 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:46:40pm

re: #966 Archimedes

Obama is looking at the big picture, huh?

It's Wrongway Obama, running in for a touchdown against his own team.

For 0bama, it's all about how good he looks on the highlight reel later on.

1012 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:35pm

re: #1009 Dark_Falcon

Honestly I don't believed I've ever up- or down-dinged anyone. I just think a kind word carries so much more weight.

1013 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:38pm

re: #1000 JacksonTn

Great! ...I don't grow tomato plants as a crop but we are thinking of strawberry plants in the greenhouses ...they are fast growing as opposed to trees and we already grow so many varieties of those ... we are expanding our varieties this year ...

Another post upthread spoke of doing the same thing ....freezing berries separately on a tray on waxed paper. After they're frozen you can bag them up without getting the glob-by mess you would get if you froze them all together. (I'm probably preaching to the choir here, you being a farmer and all, but the tips will go to good use in my home.)

1014 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:39pm

re: #1004 gmsc

No. 0bama is still in office.

Dang, I thought it was just a bad dream. Have you heard any libs having buyer's remorse yet?

1015 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:47:58pm

re: #1010 Cognito

Ah, not to worry, realwest. It's completely inconsequential. Nice of you to stand up about it, though.

Gosh, next thing you know we're all going to burst out singing Kumbaya.

1016 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:16pm

re: #981 nyc redneck

"smartest POTUS we ever had". Heh. Reminds me of of what the 40's German professional military used to call Hitler - GROFAZ - "the greatest general of all time". Our first 'O' == "Hitler" ? Nah, we won't go there :)

1017 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:21pm

re: #994 pink freud

Does that angel sitting on your right shoulder ever whisper in your ear: "They're right, avanti, THEY'RE RIGHT!" ?

No, if I were a ignorant droller, I might be offended, but I'm bright enough to know that folks that aren't interested in serious conversations will fall back on insults.

1018 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:23pm

re: #1012 Cognito

word

1019 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:46pm

re: #1013 pink freud

Another post upthread spoke of doing the same thing ....freezing berries separately on a tray on waxed paper. After they're frozen you can bag them up without getting the glob-by mess you would get if you froze them all together. (I'm probably preaching to the choir here, you being a farmer and all, but the tips will go to good use in my home.)

If you email me I can share some things about those with you ...

1020 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:48:58pm

re: #1012 Cognito

Honestly I don't believed I've ever up- or down-dinged anyone. I just think a kind word carries so much more weight.

Fair enough. At least you are honest and consistent in the matter.

1021 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:06pm

re: #960 JCM Hi jcm! LOL, you sure as hell live in an interesting state, I'll grant you that!
Was there ever any explanation for the one cent checks or for the ".001 cent" checks?!?

1022 JCM  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:49:47pm

re: #1014 Pvt Bin Jammin

Dang, I thought it was just a bad dream. Have you heard any libs having buyer's remorse yet?

Yeah, a co-worker. He was complaining about the Dow's meltdown. I told him Obama added $1.3 Trillion to the deficit in one month. He absolutely blew a gasket.

1023 Archimedes  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:03pm

re: #1011 Fenway_Nation

For 0bama, it's all about how good he looks on the highlight reel later on.

Yeah, he's going the wrong way, but he looks good doing it. LOL.

That reminds me, I listened to Rush Limbaugh's CPAC speech ... and loved the line to the media " btw ... no teleprompter! ..." lol that was priceless!

1024 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:38pm

re: #1019 JacksonTn

My nic's blue for you. I'd like that!

1025 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:50:56pm

re: #972 pink freud Well I HAVE taken my meds and there's always this little window after I ingest them where I do feel my spirits pick up a bit - but usually that only happens at night!

1026 Cognito  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:51:06pm

re: #1020 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough. At least you are honest and consistent in the matter.

Actually I did ding someone once by accident. Pat, I believe. And it was of the 'up' variety, so it was a happy accident, as painter Bob Ross would say.

1027 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:36pm

re: #1025 realwest

Glad to hear it, real. :-)

1028 JCM  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:36pm

re: #1021 realwest

Hi jcm! LOL, you sure as hell live in an interesting state, I'll grant you that!
Was there ever any explanation for the one cent checks or for the ".001 cent" checks?!?

Nope.

What's the processing, mail and overhead costs on a state check, then they send out 1¢ checks.

And they wonder where a $8 Billion deficit came from in 3 months. The Gov. ran on a surplus, say no, no deficit. As soon as she won, she's saying Bush wreaked the economy look we have a deficit.

1029 Archimedes  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:39pm

re: #1026 Cognito

Actually I did ding someone once by accident. Pat, I believe. And it was of the 'up' variety, so it was a happy accident, as painter Bob Ross would say.

Beat the devil out of it!

1030 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:52:56pm

re: #1022 JCM

I haven't heard any yet but certainly no bragging about what a great leader he is either.

1031 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:17pm

re: #1017 avanti

No, if I were a ignorant droller, I might be offended, but I'm bright enough to know that folks that aren't interested in serious conversations will fall back on insults.

We are interested in conversation, avanti. You however. seem to be determined to ruin any such conversation. You've been spouting HOPE! and CHANGE! all night while ignoring the facts that Obama is at best screwing up by the numbers.

1032 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:53:35pm

re: #1021 realwest

Hi jcm! LOL, you sure as hell live in an interesting state, I'll grant you that!
Was there ever any explanation for the one cent checks or for the ".001 cent" checks?!?

The checks are a wedge to get increased federal tax dollars "for the poor".

WA is the Chinese curse, writ large.

1033 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:56:16pm

Look everyone! It's the hatchlings from today.

[Link: ngm.nationalgeographic.com...]

1034 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:01pm

re: #1022 JCM

Yeah, a co-worker. He was complaining about the Dow's meltdown. I told him Obama added $1.3 Trillion to the deficit in one month. He absolutely blew a gasket.

Time to invest in gasket manufacturing?

1035 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:57:47pm

re: #982 DistantThunder
Hey DT - geez your brother said that to you? Without knowing him (and, of course only "knowing" you out here on LGF) I'd have to guess that he never read anything except maybe Thomas Sowells' piece. I'm not so sure y'all ought to get worried about him joining the cult of the Obamamaniacs here. He mighta just been too lazy to really READ Sowells' article or so where it was going and just stopped reading and NEVER read any of the peer reviewed stuff at all.
But I know it's gotta be tough when it's your brother.

1036 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:58:19pm

re: #1033 EmmmieG

He looks happy.

1037 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:58:46pm

re: #1036 Killgore Trout

He looks happy.

He's thinking: Where are the baby trolls?

1038 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:00:21pm

re: #984 Dark_FalconAh thanks Dark_Falcon - that helps explain it somewhat.
But I'm still surprised at Avanti - yeah there are times when he's a contrarian the way Congito can be, but when he first got here, I remember Avanti as clearly willing to listen to other points of view out here; now, not so much.

1039 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:27pm

re: #1031 Dark_Falcon

We are interested in conversation, avanti. You however. seem to be determined to ruin any such conversation. You've been spouting HOPE! and CHANGE! all night while ignoring the facts that Obama is at best screwing up by the numbers.

How can I ruin a conversion by bringing in another opinion ? If not for a few contrary opinions now and then, don't you think there would be less discussion ? Sure, if I simply agreed with the facts as you see them, we'd be happy little campers secure in the knowledge that the right always is good, left is bad mindset. Yes, I still have hope, maybe too much, but you may have too little and that's a topic of discussion.

1040 JCM  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:01:38pm

re: #1034 FurryOldGuyJeans

Time to invest in gasket manufacturing?

I had a hard time not laughing. We're sitting in company meeting reorganizing after 10% of the work force was RIFed. Watching the Dow go in the tank, and our stock heading for the basement. He was griping about Bush and the economy, I told him about the deficit numbers. It was pretty funny watching reality hit home with him.

1041 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:30pm

re: #1036 Killgore Trout

He looks happy.

Happy, sappy, don't forget LOST tomorrow, last episode before a two week break.

I have to watch alone. My LOST watching partner has a meeting tomorrow night.

So, be ready for a discussion.

Did you see my last article?

[Link: www.docarzt.com...]

1042 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:02:35pm

re: #1033 EmmmieG

Look everyone! It's the hatchlings from today.

[Link: ngm.nationalgeographic.com...]

Siamese Crocodile: Cute little hatchling now, nice pair of shoes later. :D

1043 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:04pm

re: #999 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hi there PBJ! " Have we solved all of the world's problems yet?"
Regrettably, no. But we ARE getting closer!

1044 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:03:19pm

Since there's a lot of gardening talk in this thread, I'll link the article that I linked on the front page this morning.

Burpee recently unveiled its "Money Garden" package, a collection of tomato, bean, red pepper, carrot, lettuce and snap pea that sells for $10 and can produce up to $650 worth of vegetables.

(The separate retail value is $20)

Are you growing a recession garden?

1045 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:04:49pm

re: #1043 realwest

LOL

Hey there, Realwest. Good to see you.

1046 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:04:56pm

re: #1039 avanti

Oh brother. If you still have HOPE! for Obama, then there is only one thing left to say:

GAZE

1047 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:41pm

re: #1041 Walter L. Newton

Interesting theory on why Ben killed Locke. I'm looking forward to seeing how it affects their relationship.

1048 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:06:43pm

re: #1044 Silvergirl

How telling..... back in WWII, it was a Victory Garden.... now, a Recession Garden.....

Nope, not me. I am going whole hog on a Victory Garden.

1049 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:46pm

re: #1045 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL

Hey there, Realwest. Good to see you.

Yup, here in Illinois, I'm waiting for my crop of frozen corn to come in...:)


/S

1050 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:07:57pm

Just saw this link on Hot Air about the left exploiting the Rush/GOP

war.

1051 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:06pm

re: #1047 Killgore Trout

Interesting theory on why Ben killed Locke. I'm looking forward to seeing how it affects their relationship.

I would think that killing the other person would be a downer in a relationship. Am I missing something? Or is this just a Lost mystery?

1052 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:08:47pm

Wonder what was for dinner at the white House tonight. And who formed the Congo Line?

1053 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:33pm

re: #1051 EmmmieG

Locke is a weird character. If he sees his death as necessary he might not mind so much that Linus killed him.

1054 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:09:48pm

re: #1043 realwest

problems solved when->

1. Our elected officials get a grip on the intentions of the founding fathers.

2. My wife understands credit card interest rates.

3. Guinness is available in all bars in my state.

1055 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:10pm

re: #1052 pat

Wonder what was for dinner at the white House tonight. And who formed the Congo Line?


A White House Congo Line -- how lame is that?

1056 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:20pm

re: #1039 avanti

Your hope lies on someone who's only executive experience was throwing $100 million of other peoples money away on failed socialistic educational programs in tandem with a known terrorist (Ayers).

I've given up any hope in "0".
He's a liar and a thief.

1057 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:10:21pm

re: #1053 Killgore Trout

Locke is a weird character. If he sees his death as necessary he might not mind so much that Linus killed him.

Upding just for being able to follow all of that.

1058 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:09pm

re: #1052 pat

.....not sure, but rest assured that Barrack Hussein is kissing the mirror right now....

1059 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:28pm

re: #1051 EmmmieG

I would think that killing the other person would be a downer in a relationship. Am I missing something? Or is this just a Lost mystery?

LOL. That's is so funny. To a LOST fan, Killgore's comment made understandable sense. Looking from the outside, that comment must sound really weird?

1060 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:39pm

re: #1055 outsidephilly

A White House Congo Line -- how lame is that?

Very. Infantile. Strange. And so Progressive. Our nation is in the hands of teenagers.

1061 SummerSong  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:11:46pm

re: #1052 pat

Wonder what was for dinner at the white House tonight. And who formed the Congo Line?

No, that's Wednesday night.

1062 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:12:02pm

Obama Gets Strong Support in Poll

President Barack Obama enjoys widespread backing from a frightened American public for his ambitious, front-loaded agenda, a new poll indicates.

He is more popular than ever, Americans are hopeful about his leadership, and opposition Republicans are getting drubbed in public opinion, the new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll suggests.

/WTF, who are these people they're polling?

1063 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #1049 Dustyvet

Yup, here in Illinois, I'm waiting for my crop of frozen corn to come in...:)

/S

I hear the O cut the farm subsidies. LOL

1064 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:14:23pm

re: #1057 EmmmieG

Upding just for being able to follow all of that.

In the mythos of LOST, a character who dies, is not always dead, in the sense that characters can exist in different time lines.

So, last week, a character named locke was killed by a character named Ben. But later on, Locke entered a new time line in the story, a time line where he wasn't dead.

So, both characters will be able to interact. The killer and the killed.

1065 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:43pm

re: #1058 WindHorse

.....not sure, but rest assured that Barrack Hussein is kissing the mirror right now....

Obama: Mirror, mirror on the wall, who'd the fairest of them all?

Mirror: Ain't you bub!

/S

1066 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:46pm

re: #1060 pat

Very. Infantile. Strange. And so Progressive. Our nation is in the hands of teenagers.

Worse: Spoiled teenagers who hate us and intend to use the credit card they conned us into giving them to run us into the ground.

1067 William  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:51pm

Do you think Obama viewed this chart before saying we have to "stabilize" home prices at 100-year highs?

1068 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:15:57pm

re: #1008 nyc redneck Hey again! I know EXACTLY how you feel - within two weeks of 9/11 I had to do the same thing; if I'd heard ONE more person asking what the US did to bring 9/11 about, I was seriously gonna kill somebody(ies).
I've discovered that people who like Obama aren't evil-necessarily (leaving out, obviously Rahm Emmanuel, Tim Geithner and Hillary and all the tax cheaters Obama has inadvertenly "outted") but they do want some "hope" and "change" for the future. Well the only "Hope" Obama is really offering them is to put them, their children and their great-grandchildren into unbelievable amounts of debt and the only "Change" Obama has given them has been a return to the Clinton administration and a return to the "beltway boys [and girls] clubs" that they are so sick of. But they don't understand that, because the MSM has been complicit in hiding all of the damage Obama's been doing to our nation with ENTITLEMENT programs and what not. I might give the MSM the benefit of the doubt here, except that they were commenting FAVORABLY on Obama's Pelosi's Stimulus Bill when NO ONE in their newsrooms had read it all.
All I can really say is if they are friends, sooner or later their eyes will open and they'll treat you as a true friend treats a true friend: someone you can disagree with, without being disagreeable.
Hang in there, nyc redneck, Blowbacks coming and soon.

1069 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:47pm

re: #1064 Walter L. Newton

Vonnegut did the time line thing like no-one else.........

1070 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:16:48pm

re: #1056 IslandLibertarian

Your hope lies on someone who's only executive experience was throwing $100 million of other peoples money away on failed socialistic educational programs in tandem with a known terrorist (Ayers).

I've given up any hope in "0".
He's a liar and a thief.

If even half the country gives up on BHO, he's in trouble. His biggest asset is his appeal, it's how he's pushing his agenda. Even I'll admit I was a little uncomfortable with watching GOP congressman lining up for autographs at the address to Congress.

1071 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:24pm

re: #1064 Walter L. Newton

In the mythos of LOST, a character who dies, is not always dead, in the sense that characters can exist in different time lines.

So, last week, a character named locke was killed by a character named Ben. But later on, Locke entered a new time line in the story, a time line where he wasn't dead.

So, both characters will be able to interact. The killer and the killed.

Upding for the explanation. I tend to stay away from multiple universe fiction. It makes my head hurt trying to wrap it around all the possibilities.

1072 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:17:39pm

re: #1064 Walter L. Newton

I scrolled through the comments for the article and found your comments about Linus' lack of morality interesting. Could it be that Ben is just so in tune with alternate timelines and "fate" that he knows his actions of harming innocent people will end up not really happening when everything gets sorted out?

1073 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:10pm

re: #1048 WindHorse

How telling..... back in WWII, it was a Victory Garden.... now, a Recession Garden.....

Nope, not me. I am going whole hog on a Victory Garden.

It was the title of the article.

Call it a Victory Garden. It's good for the soul, and it's what our families who went before us did.

Planting it in the recession is smart and will allow you to feel victorious when you're well fed from your own labor.

1074 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:26pm

re: #1060 pat

Very. Infantile. Strange. And so Progressive. Our nation is in the hands of teenagers.


Yep. Back in my teenage years we would have 'house parties'. Some of the kids would 'make-out' in the corner of the basement, some would watch TV and eat pizza, some would slow dance to the Imperials songs. However, no one would be doing a Congo Line dance!

This is the leadership of America, Congo dancing through the halls of the White House in the greatest nation on earth.....

1075 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:41pm

re: #1015 Walter L. Newton
Y'all don't think it's not right for folks to go back into the Archives and down ding someone?

1076 kynna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:51pm

re: #938 avanti

Could be worse "Economy recovers, BO succeedes", Rush really ticked off.

Only morons still think that's what Rush said ... oh. I guess that's obvious.

1077 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:18:52pm

Just getting to this thread.

The only thing that is remarkable to me is that people like Jim Cramer are suddenly expressing doubts about Obama while others still think he is somehow capable of good economic decision making.

Fact - Obama's credit was so bad that he could not rent a car for the 2000 Democratic convention. A 38 year old Harvard Law graduate and state senator who didn't have good enough credit to rent a car.

Think about it.

Think about how he had to turn to Rezko to buy his house in Chicago, even after his book deal.

Think about it.

We have a deadbeat in the Oval Office in the middle of a credit crisis.

Only absolute blind idiocy is capable of looking past those facts and thinking that Obama is prepared to solve the problem. He has become the problem.

1078 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:19:58pm

re: #1074 outsidephilly

Yep. Back in my teenage years we would have 'house parties'. Some of the kids would 'make-out' in the corner of the basement, some would watch TV and eat pizza, some would slow dance to the Imperials songs. However, no one would be doing a Congo Line dance!

This is the leadership of America, Congo dancing through the halls of the White House in the greatest nation on earth.....

OSP ... I have not been online much but as I have been scrolling some I have seen people talking about Congo dancing ... is that real? ...did they really do it at the White House? ...

1079 Ateam  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:31pm

re: #1007 pink freud

Sounds wonderful!

Well, it's quite OK. Metter of fact we like to have snowier winter once.
Lately d elders said it's happens in 1951

1080 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:20:48pm

re: #1070 avanti

If even half the country gives up on BHO, he's in trouble. His biggest asset is his appeal, it's how he's pushing his agenda. Even I'll admit I was a little uncomfortable with watching GOP congressman lining up for autographs at the address to Congress.

Now that's the smartest thing you've said all day. Finally, something we can agree on.

1081 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:02pm

re: #1064 Walter L. Newton

Thank you both for the explanation. Now I am going to have to go to bed in the extremely linear time in which I exist.

1082 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:29pm

re: #1069 IslandLibertarian

Vonnegut did the time line thing like no-one else.........

Nope. Not like LOST. LOST is following a whole different set of "rules" then most of the past "time travel" literature.

1) You can't change the future, the universe will always course correct.

2) If it didn't happen in the past, it didn't happen. You can't go back to the past and interject yourself into something that you hadn't been part of in the first place.

Therefore, there are no paradoxes. The time travel in LOST is partially based on the Casimir Effect, a quantum theory.

I've only brushed lightly on all the mythos of the show, see...

[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com...]

1083 kynna  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:21:30pm

re: #1060 pat

Very. Infantile. Strange. And so Progressive. Our nation is in the hands of teenagers.

I have actually seen comments at the end of articles where 0-trons say "Just sit down and shut up. The adults are finally in control."

Truly we have a nation over-burdened with fools.

1084 wiffersnapper  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:00pm

Obama's economy will be like president Bush's 2nd term tracking poll. In the shitter.

1085 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:13pm

re: #1078 JacksonTn

OSP ... I have not been online much but as I have been scrolling some I have seen people talking about Congo dancing ... is that real? ...did they really do it at the White House? ...


I read that the other day -- apparently, Wednesday night is hang out night at the White House.

I'll look for the article.

1086 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:21pm

re: #1077 karmic_inquisitor

I did not know that.

(wow.... and catapulted into this hallowed position by all of the guilt-ridden liberals....)

1087 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:22:33pm

re: #1031 Dark_Falcon
Ahem " while ignoring the facts that Obama is at best screwing up by the HUGE numbers."
There, FTFY!

1088 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:00pm

re: #1076 kynna

He said he hopes his "agenda" fails, thus if it succeeds, bad news for Rush.

1089 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:25pm

re: #1072 Killgore Trout

I scrolled through the comments for the article and found your comments about Linus' lack of morality interesting. Could it be that Ben is just so in tune with alternate timelines and "fate" that he knows his actions of harming innocent people will end up not really happening when everything gets sorted out?

That's sort of where I am going, yes.

1090 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:23:39pm

re: #1082 Walter L. Newton

To each his own.
Slaughterhouse 5 held my interest.
Lost doesn't.

1091 JCM  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:24:15pm

Night all

I leave you a visual metaphor for the Obama phenomena.

1092 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:25:24pm

re: #1071 Dark_Falcon

Upding for the explanation. I tend to stay away from multiple universe fiction. It makes my head hurt trying to wrap it around all the possibilities.

LOST is not a multiple universe story. That's another interesting thing about the time travel in the mythos of this story.

They have really found a new way of doing the time travel story line, with new rules, which also makes the writing very complicated, but interesting.

1093 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:05pm

re: #1088 avanti

He said he hopes his "agenda" fails, thus if it succeeds, bad news for Rush.

If the man's Socialist agenda succeeds it will be bad for a lot more people than just Rush.

1094 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:41pm

re: #1088 avanti

He said he hopes his "agenda" fails, thus if it succeeds, bad news for Rush.

If it succeeds, then America will become a socialist country: Bad news for us all.

1095 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26:50pm

re: #1091 JCM

Night all

I leave you a visual metaphor for the Obama phenomena.

Unfortunately, I think this crash will land on top of people unlike the video.
It already has.

Goodnight, lizards

1096 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:27:05pm

re: #1080 Dark_Falcon

Now that's the smartest thing you've said all day. Finally, something we can agree on.

No sign of that happening though. I actually expected a little softening of approval by now, but that Wall Street Journal poll was out of the park. BTW, I've always maintained he was a politician/salesman/motivator by and large .

1097 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:02pm

Avanti, what condition is your retirement account in? Just curious....

1098 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:28:42pm

So did anybody call Obama out on this blunder?

1099 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:29:17pm

re: #1096 avanti

BTW, I've always maintained he was a politician/salesman/motivator by and large .

If you mean "0"(pronounced "Zero"), you left out liar and thief.

1100 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:10pm

re: #1098 Afrocity

So did anybody call Obama out on this blunder?

Not that I have seen. The media is too dazzled by his brilliance to see what he was really shoveling.

Evening, beautiful lady. :)

{Afrocity}

1101 BatGuano  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:15pm

I skimmed the 5-10 posts so I hope I am too way behind. Lost: I don't watch it. Obama: What the the hell hell were these moron's thinking? Anyone who voted for this fecal remnant is cerebrally challenged. He telegraphed is punches throughout his pathetic life and hid his political career. And yet he got votes. Is there any rational explanation for this? NO!

The electorate who voted for Reagan voted in this piece of refuse and no one has a reasonable explanation why.

1102 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:16pm

re: #1062 Killian Bundy
Huh. That's the oppositie of what Rasmussen said and has been saying for several days now and the opposite of what the OWSJ said earlier today (check out the link - which I poached off Athos earlier today in my comment #915 above.

1103 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:30:20pm

re: #1098 Afrocity

So did anybody call Obama out on this blunder?

Nobody in the MSM. They're too busy singing hymns of praise to the 0.

/spits

1104 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:31:56pm

re: #1096 avanti

BTW, I've always maintained he was a politician/salesman/motivator by and large .

He certainly would excel at selling some patent nostrum or snake oil. Grifter would be an easy reach also.

1105 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:32:37pm

re: #1093 FurryOldGuyJeans

I think we started down that path with TARP 1, let's hope it's a temporary thing and we pull out of the banks, AIG and the rest once the economy recovers.

1106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:33:08pm

re: #1097 WindHorse

Avanti, what condition is your retirement account in? Just curious....

Don't know about Avanti, but I've got a killer retirement plan. Ya see, when the time is right, I'll get the youngers in the Behemoth clan to walk me out to a mountain top. The rest is downhill, so to speak.

re: #1098 Afrocity

So did anybody call Obama out on this blunder?

Nope. We've spent all night talking about puffy Hello Kitty stickers.

//

1107 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:33:44pm

{furry}

I am sick as a dog with some awful flu but am managing.

Did anyone see the American Thinker image of Obama. It is hilarious.
I love me

1108 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:22pm

re: #1101 BatGuano

Different electorate from 24 and 28 years ago. A whole new generation taught by the Baby Boomer Left.
The Gramscian long march through the institutions has paid off.

1109 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:34:51pm

re: #1078 JacksonTn

OSP ... I have not been online much but as I have been scrolling some I have seen people talking about Congo dancing ... is that real? ...did they really do it at the White House? ...


Wednesday nights @ the White House Your text to link...

1110 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:04pm

re: #1107 Afrocity

my kids just had that..... gargle with Hydrogen Peroxide, drink a lot of water and sleep a lot.

1111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:35:15pm

re: #1105 avanti

I think we started down that path with TARP 1, let's hope it's a temporary thing and we pull out of the banks, AIG and the rest once the economy recovers.

Nothing is as permanent as something deemed temporary by the government, especially one controlled by the Dems. Your hope is for reality to become part and parcel of a huckster selling pie in the sky dreams. Ain't gonna happen.

1112 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:38pm

re: #1084 wiffersnapper
I hate to have to tell you this, but if Obama's economy goes into the crapper, ALL OF US SUFFER FOR IT.

1113 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:57pm

re: #1107 Afrocity


Sorry to hear your not feeling well......, sure hope you get better, real soon!

1114 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:16pm

re: #1102 realwest

Huh. That's the oppositie of what Rasmussen said and has been saying for several days now and the opposite of what the OWSJ said earlier today (check out the link - which I poached off Athos earlier today in my comment #915 above.

Rasmussen has been a bit lower on approval then gallop or the others, but the Journal is far from a left wing paper.

1115 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:22pm

OK, I looked at that WSJ poll. Apparently it was weighted towards "strong democrat" in the affiliation question. 23% and the highest of all listed.

[Link: s.wsj.net...]

1116 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:27pm

Avanti.... no comment on your retirement account? Are you immune from this plummeting market? Are your ideals more meaningful than your balance sheet?

1117 BatGuano  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:31pm

re: #1108 wolfie

Oh, crap you are right. There has been 24 to 28 years to screw up the young and the time has not been wasted. The current electorate is an uneducated idiot.

1118 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:42pm

re: #1110 WindHorse

my kids just had that..... gargle with Hydrogen Peroxide, drink a lot of water and sleep a lot.

I did that my mom taught me to. Right now I am eating lemon.

1119 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:37:45pm

If the MSM thinks they only need Democrats and Progressives to survive, then I guess they do not need me.
Wonderful marketing model, isn't it?

1120 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:13pm

re: #890 DistantThunder

Thomas Sowell wrote an article about the salves in MD who would work at various jobs during the week, and then visit their MASTER's once week, and turn over most of their paychecks. he made the point that this is who we have become. We just have an illusion of freedom.

How did you know I was doing my taxes?

1121 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:22pm

re: #1107 Afrocity

{furry}

I am sick as a dog with some awful flu but am managing.

Did anyone see the American Thinker image of Obama. It is hilarious.
I love me

No. But lol.

1122 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:38:35pm

re: #1091 JCM

Night all

I leave you a visual metaphor for the Obama phenomena.

What? Does this mean you want our president to fail?/

It's a perfect metaphor, and it brought to mind the child's story by Oscar Wilde. It's a little too long for a quick read in a thread, but I believe it deserves a read sometime. The Remarkable Rocket (BO)

1123 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:39:05pm

re: #1107 Afrocity

{furry}

I am sick as a dog with some awful flu but am managing.

Did anyone see the American Thinker image of Obama. It is hilarious.
I love me

You too? Dang, and here I thought I was the only one "enjoying" the "fun and pleasures" of hacking up loads of something real nasty from time to time. It all started with one real pain of a sinus ache bad enough to make my teeth hurt, and got worse.

I doubt the Obamatons will see the humor and irony in that picture. Thanks for linking it. :)

1124 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:39:15pm

re: #1116 WindHorse

Avanti.... no comment on your retirement account? Are you immune from this plummeting market? Are your ideals more meaningful than your balance sheet?

It's off maybe 35% this last year or so.

1125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:01pm

I'm getting weary. Time for me to head to bed. Night all.

1126 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:04pm

re: #1107 Afrocity

My sympathies! There are some nasty bugs creeping around out there.
My family and I have been laid low for a while.

Chicken soup always helps!

1127 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #1124 avanti

and, yet, you are satisfied with what is being done?

1128 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:38pm

re: #1096 avanti

BTW, I've always maintained he was a politician/salesman/motivator by and large .

Avanti -

We live in a highly stratified post-industrial economy.

Very few of us are involved in growing food or manufacturing essential items - our economy requires discretionary spending and prosperity in order to produce growth in goods and services. A "bumper crop" has no effect on GDP anymore - new products and services do.

As many economists and investors have pointed out, this is now a confidence crisis.

And as Bill Clinton has pointed out, Barry seems absent when it comes to the whole idea of motivating confidence.

Why? Why should a man with such gifts fall silent? Or, what has become worse, why should such a man take each opportunity to stoke fear?

I will tell you why - he isn't selling capitalism. He is selling socialism.

If he believed in markets and wanted to end job losses and wealth destruction he'd have gone to bat. He isn't. He simply tells people how it is going to get worse.

So it does.

1129 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:40:41pm

re: #1114 avanti
There you go again! I never said the WJS was a left wing paper! I merely pointed out that Rasmussen AND the WSJ had both had lower numbers than that one link to WSJ would indicate.

1130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:31pm

re: #1127 WindHorse

and, yet, you are satisfied with what is being done?

From all he has said previously yes he is, since O is now anointed and enthroned.

1131 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:38pm

re: #1125 Dark_Falcon

G'night, Dark_Falcon.

1132 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:41:41pm

re: #1117 BatGuano

Doesn't seem that long ago, does it?

1133 Promethea  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:42:21pm

re: #909 jet2nc

The Obama economic team needs to understand 3 basic things:
1. The economic policies of Jimmy Carter they are implementing have failed before, they are failing again. It took years for Jimmy to do the damage to our economy that Obama's team has been able to do in a few weeks.
2. When the stock markets are doing well the country is doing well. Jobs are being created and the country is prospering and all citizens benefit. Perhaps Economic Advisers should be hired who understand how the US economy works, who were successful in their businesses, who understand current tax laws and pay their taxes on time.
3. Tax increases, even if targeted to select groups, hurt everyone. Less money in the publics hands means more money for the government to spend. This is like spreading manure on cement. It stinks and nothing will ever grow.

Obama supporters, please remove your Obama bumper sticker carefully. You should be tired of the mean stares in your rear view mirror by now. Fold the bumper sticker to the size of a dollar bill. Tear it in half. Throw half away, think of it as half of your retirement income. Place the remaining half in your wallet. Use it as a reminder. A reminder every time you make a purchase, that you are responsible for the current economic turmoil which is causing hardships for you, your friends, your neighbors and other citizens. A reminder that President Obama and his economic team do not understand the difference between a hard earned dollar bill and a piece of paper that contains a failed promise.

Great post! I "hearted" it, so you thoughts will live forever in my computer, and I may quote you some time.

1134 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:00pm

Is it just me or does it seem like incompetent people are running the White House? I know most of these guys worked for Clinton but geeze.

1135 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:07pm

re: #1129 realwest

There you go again! I never said the WJS was a left wing paper! I merely pointed out that Rasmussen AND the WSJ had both had lower numbers than that one link to WSJ would indicate.

I was just looking at the WSJ poll. 23% of the pollers identified themselves as "strong Democrat." The highest of the respondents. They only polled 1007 people.

1136 realwest  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:43:28pm

Its been grand y'all but I gotta get to sleep! I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Goodnight, all.

1137 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:18pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

Is it just me or does it seem like incompetent people are running the White House? I know most of these guys worked for Clinton but geeze.

The sum total of intelligence on the planet remains constant, but the population keeps getting bigger.

1138 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:24pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

how does the fact that some of these people worked for Clinton equate to something over and above incompetent?

(A little lower Monica....)

1139 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:46pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

Is it just me or does it seem like incompetent people are running the White House? I know most of these guys worked for Clinton but geeze.


No, its not just you.

1140 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:50pm

re: #1114 avanti

Rasmussen has been a bit lower on approval then gallop or the others, but the Journal is far from a left wing paper.

Rasmussen is likely voters. All others are registered voters or (more often) adults.

The Rasmussen number is the only one relevant to election prospects and is the traditional polling method used (the one used when Bush's popularity numbers were tracked).

1141 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:56pm

re: #1127 WindHorse

and, yet, you are satisfied with what is being done?

I have no idea if I should be satisfied or not, it's one group of economists best plan. In a year or so, we'll know if it works. Most optimistic is third quarter this year.

1142 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:44:59pm

re: #1088 avanti

He said he hopes his "agenda" fails, thus if it succeeds, bad news for Rush.

safe bet for Rush.

1143 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:01pm

re: #1136 realwest

See ya down the road. G'night.

1144 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:16pm

re: #1136 realwest

'Weet dreams.

1145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:43pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

Is it just me or does it seem like incompetent people are running the White House? I know most of these guys worked for Clinton but geeze.

You are not the only one who noticed the high degree of incompetence being exuded by the administration. I also see a lot of duplicitous dealings as well.

1146 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:46pm

re: #1137 rawmuse

The sum total of intelligence on the planet remains constant, but the population keeps getting bigger.

Careful rawmuse - you're applying the same logic to intelligence that liberals apply to money.

1147 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:45:50pm

re: #1098 Afrocity

So did anybody call Obama out on this blunder?

Looks like just the blogosphere for now...

1148 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:54pm

re: #1137 rawmuse

I read some story about a study done in the UK about youth IQs and that they were headed down. You know, products of the Labour Party.

1149 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:46:54pm

re: #1146 gmsc

But my thesis is supported by evidence.

1150 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:20pm

re: #1117 BatGuano

Oh, crap you are right. There has been 24 to 28 years to screw up the young and the time has not been wasted. The current electorate is an uneducated idiot.

yup: i'm in school with them now, drawn from South Central and West LA. high school and older. natives, immigrants, yo name it.

99.9999% idiots, and that doesn't include the instructors.

WBF.

1151 pat  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:23pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

Is it just me or does it seem like incompetent people are running the White House? I know most of these guys worked for Clinton but geeze.

No it is not just you. I deal mostly with Democrats and they have a look of panic and irrational defense as they see the country disintegrating.. We are in the hands of primarily lower echelon Clinton appointees. And the mainstream like Summers and Hillary seem to be in a trance. The foreign policy is in shambles, defense is in shambles, the CIA has been turned over to Saudi lobbyist. The economy is entirely Obama's fault.

1152 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:35pm

re: #1133 Promethea

Great post! I "hearted" it, so you thoughts will live forever in my computer, and I may quote you some time.

So true. I liked the part about the Obama sticker.

Fold the bumper sticker to the size of a dollar bill. Tear it in half. Throw half away, think of it as half of your retirement income. Place the remaining half in your wallet. Use it as a reminder. A reminder every time you make a purchase, that you are responsible for the current economic turmoil which is causing hardships for you, your friends, your neighbors and other citizens.

1153 toaster_empire  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:37pm

Another really awesome way to botch the long term strategy is to believe that socialism accomplishes anything other than poverty and misery.

1154 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #1138 WindHorse

how does the fact that some of these people worked for Clinton equate to something over and above incompetent?

(A little lower Monica....)

I meant that many are from the Clinton era and surely know what it takes to run an administration,like Rahm however there have been blunders that make me think these guys are amateurs.

1155 mirage  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:47:54pm

re: #1141 avanti

I have no idea if I should be satisfied or not, it's one group of economists best plan. In a year or so, we'll know if it works. Most optimistic is third quarter this year.

"Best" plan? If the objective is to decimate peoples' portfolios and cripple the country's economy. Sheesh.

1156 Dominic Yeso  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:48:22pm

So lets play out some hypotheticals - lets say that the great 'O' is wet under the collar at best. So far The great 'O' has demonstrated that he is a believer leftist and unrealistic leftist economic theory without due regard to real world economics. The end game is that no one buys all of our debt so the gov prints money to cover the wealth transfer objectives of the congress and the great 'O'. In the mean time Iran is bringing on line an air defense system to cover their nuke program, etc. OK, we're in fall of '09 and Israel acts. Iran throws a fit and the next thing we know we embroiled in a fight over oil flow through the Persian gulf. So now we have an administration that is punishing our energy suppliers in a time of high inflation (printed dollars). Oil - $200/barrel? Inflation approaching double digits? So is the big 'O' prepared to handle these challenges? How can we afford to do do anything in this scenario with trillion $ deficits? Geeze- buy oil futures and gold contracts? Hypothetical but not a stretch ... Sh*t.

1157 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:48:31pm

re: #1141 avanti

I have no idea if I should be satisfied or not, it's one group of economists best plan. In a year or so, we'll know if it works. Most optimistic is third quarter this year.

So all you have is Hope things will Change for the better.

/ A sucker born every minute.

1158 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:49:07pm

re: #1126 wolfie

My sympathies! There are some nasty bugs creeping around out there.
My family and I have been laid low for a while.

Chicken soup always helps!

ethanol is my preference.

1159 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:50:41pm

re: #1135 Gus 802

I was just looking at the WSJ poll. 23% of the pollers identified themselves as "strong Democrat." The highest of the respondents. They only polled 1007 people.

They weigh according to party affiliation, more Democrats then Republicans in the country. (about a 10% edge)

link

1160 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:50:54pm

re: #1154 Afrocity

I meant that many are from the Clinton era and surely know what it takes to run an administration,like Rahm however there have been blunders that make me think these guys are amateurs.

The thing that stands out for me is a lot of the Clinton appointees were mid- and low-level apparatchiks and drones implementing policy concocted by others.

1161 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:51:45pm

re: #1154 Afrocity

I agree with you on the fact that the current crew is amateur..... Rahm Emmanuel is insane if you ask me.

1162 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:52:49pm

re: #1159 avanti

They weigh according to party affiliation, more Democrats then Republicans in the country. (about a 10% edge)

link

But leaning strong Democrats? Frankly, I don't care what the poll results are. Even if 75% of Americans "approved" of Obama it still wouldn't change my outlook. Especially in a society that's prone to mass media manipulation.

1163 outsidephilly  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:15pm

time for me to get some beauty sleep -- g'night, all

1164 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:25pm

re: #1141 avanti

I have no idea if I should be satisfied or not, it's one group of economists best plan. In a year or so, we'll know if it works. Most optimistic is third quarter this year.

you are an idiot, but we already knew that. you are also in denial, and that isn't a river.

his plan won't w*rk. it can't w*rk, and every time some fucking crack head, supported by booger eating morons such as yourself, has tried it, it's failed.

1165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:53:42pm

re: #1134 Afrocity

Sounds to me like someone is just a little bitter about her gov't issued unicorn. Truth be told, I wasn't that impressed either.

Watch out, it ain't rainbows that come out the back end. It ain't nothing like rainbows.

////

1166 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:54:02pm

The new crew is working entirely on the Central Egghead model.
One Enlightened Planner looking after all of us mortals.

1167 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:54:26pm

re: #1141 avanti

I have no idea if I should be satisfied or not, it's one group of economists best plan. In a year or so, we'll know if it works. Most optimistic is third quarter this year.

Morning/Evening Lizards.

Even if the market stems its losses and flattens out in the 3Q this year it will taken many,many years to get to the level that 44 was given it at. He has done nothing to inspire confidence. I am young and have no money in the market so when I return to the US in June there will be deals galore.

It's the people nearing retirement that 44 has fucked.

1168 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:06pm

re: #1146 gmsc

Careful rawmuse - you're applying the same logic to intelligence that liberals apply to money.

naw, he's just stealing one of my postulates

1169 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:17pm

re: #1166 rawmuse

The new crew is working entirely on the Central Egghead model.
One Enlightened Planner looking after all of us mortals.

Would the Enlightened Planner be Obama?

1170 gmsc  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:51pm

re: #1149 rawmuse

But my thesis is supported by evidence.

So you'll continue even if I send a theeth and desis letter?
;)

1171 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:55:58pm

re: #1157 FurryOldGuyJeans

So all you have is Hope things will Change for the better.

.


Yep, you nailed it, I think we'll come out just fine.

1172 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:10pm

re: #1158 redc1c4

Perhaps I should try a bit of that. For my health, y'no.

Hmmmmmmm bourbon and cough syrup.
Sounds good. :)

1173 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:28pm

re: #1163 outsidephilly

time for me to get some beauty sleep -- g'night, all

G'night. I think I'm next.

1174 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:43pm

re: #1137 rawmuse

The sum total of intelligence on the planet remains constant, but the population keeps getting bigger.

that's one of my lines....
"Intelligence is a constant; the population is increasing."

1175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:56:59pm

re: #1167 Erik The Red

Morning/Evening Lizards.

Even if the market stems its losses and flattens out in the 3Q this year it will taken many,many years to get to the level that 44 was given it at. He has done nothing to inspire confidence. I am young and have no money in the market so when I return to the US in June there will be deals galore.

It's the people nearing retirement that 44 has fucked.

He can't decide how to feel about his economic losses until he gets the new talking points memo from the Dems.

1176 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:57:03pm

re: #1167 Erik The Red


It's the people nearing retirement that 44 has fucked.

Thank you, guilty as charged, yes. Am I happy about it? No, I am furious.
The consolation is that you young people will now be responsible for me in my declining years, up until the point one of you shoves a pillow over my face.

1177 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:57:11pm

re: #1171 avanti

Yep, you nailed it, I think we'll come out just fine.

we see no evidence of either......

1178 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:57:35pm

one group of economists best plans........?

"0" said that people making money on reduced capital gains taxes, even though it would raise tax revenues, wasn't fair.
That's socialism, a form of economic suicide.

He is destroying America.

1179 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:58:11pm

Okay, imagine I am a video game and my pac man has no life/energy bar left.
That is how I feel and I am going back to bed.
Nite Lizards.

1180 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:58:13pm

re: #1171 avanti

Yep, you nailed it, I think we'll come out just fine.

Proof of that is sorely lacking. But then why let facts bother you?

1181 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:59:14pm

re: #1176 rawmuse

Thank you, guilty as charged, yes. Am I happy about it? No, I am furious.
The consolation is that you young people will now be responsible for me in my declining years, up until the point one of you shoves a pillow over my face.

And you would probably thank them, if you could, as in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

1182 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:59:21pm

re: #1172 wolfie

Perhaps I should try a bit of that. For my health, y'no.

Hmmmmmmm bourbon and cough syrup.
Sounds good. :)

equal parts bourbon and lemon juice, add honey to taste, heat/nuke until tea temperature..... should taste kinda like lemonade.

good for bad throats, etc...... old Southern thing. if nothing else, you'll sleep.

1183 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:59:42pm

re: #1179 Afrocity

Okay, imagine I am a video game and my pac man has no life/energy bar left.
That is how I feel and I am going back to bed.
Nite Lizards.

Weet dreams, beautiful lady. :)

{Afrocity}

You take care and get well, you hear?

1184 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:59:44pm

re: #1177 redc1c4

we see no evidence of either......

It's way to early to tell, polls show they'll give BHO a year or two, but that's it.

1185 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:07pm

re: #1179 Afrocity

Okay, imagine I am a video game and my pac man has no life/energy bar left.
That is how I feel and I am going back to bed.
Nite Lizards.

G'night. Recharge. A new life tomorrow.

1186 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:23pm

re: #1176 rawmuse

Thank you, guilty as charged, yes. Am I happy about it? No, I am furious.
The consolation is that you young people will now be responsible for me in my declining years, up until the point one of you shoves a pillow over my face.

I am 41 still young but need 20 or so years to build up wealth for my retirement. I have lost 35% in dollar terms with the exchange rate. So its like starting all over again.

1187 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:36pm

re: #1141 avanti

.....so, a third down over the past year..... in two more years..... what? I guess you'll be shuffling through the buffet line at Horn and Hardarts professing how great obama is doing?

1188 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:40pm

re: #1170 gmsc

So you'll continue even if I send a theeth and desis letter?
;)

how about a seethe and the fits letter?

1189 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:00:52pm

re: #1182 redc1c4

equal parts bourbon and lemon juice, add honey to taste, heat/nuke until tea temperature..... should taste kinda like lemonade.

good for bad throats, etc...... old Southern thing. if nothing else, you'll sleep.

umm ...could you make me one? ...I'm not sick but sounds great ...it will help me sleep ...

1190 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:15pm

re: #1163 outsidephilly

'Nite, have a great day tomorrow.

1191 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:27pm

re: #1184 avanti

It's way to early to tell, polls show they'll give BHO a year or two, but that's it.

and yet the market is speaking now: there are none so blind but those who refuse to see.

you are a willful ass.

1192 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:01:36pm

Instead of taxing "the rich" and thereby wrecking the economy, why can't the class-envy folks find some other way to express their bitterness and resentment? It would be far, far better for most of us if we just flogged "the rich" in the public square ever so often.

1193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:02:13pm

re: #1184 avanti

It's way to early to tell, polls show they'll give BHO a year or two, but that's it.

Polls are just a different way to lie, but why let facts stand bother you?

1194 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:02:14pm

re: #1186 Erik The Red

I am 41 still young but need 20 or so years to build up wealth for my retirement. I have lost 35% in dollar terms with the exchange rate. So its like starting all over again.

i'm fifty and fucked.

1195 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:01pm

Obama Brings Toughness and Modesty to Foreign Policy

America is returning to realpolitik. America is a democracy, but exporting that principle to remote parts of the world is no longer its primary goal. The years of arrogance are over. In his speech last Tuesday, Obama invoked "a new era of engagement and diplomacy" and avoided the term "war on terror." As former President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "the only way to have a friend is to be one."

The United States is currently taking a new measure of the world and redefining its own interests. The contours of an Obama foreign policy are taking shape -- one that seeks to combine toughness with an easing of tensions. This cannot be to everyone's liking.

"Soft power" means talking, negotiating, wooing and threatening. Military action is not taken off the table, but it is seen as a last resort. The primary goal is to ease tensions, if possible, but a more aggressive approach can be applied if necessary.

/um, they seem to have forgotten the world's laughingstock

1196 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:05pm

re: #1184 avanti

It's way to early to tell, polls show they'll give BHO a year or two, but that's it.

This isn't about polls. This isn't about the opinion from a public of which 1/3rd believe in UFOs, Ghost and Goblins. This is about performance to date, future outlook, and principle.

1197 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:07pm

re: #1192 wolfie

Instead of taxing "the rich" and thereby wrecking the economy, why can't the class-envy folks find some other way to express their bitterness and resentment? It would be far, far better for most of us if we just flogged "the rich" in the public square ever so often.

how about they go out and get a j*b for a change?
or is that too much to hope for?

1198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:20pm

re: #1187 WindHorse

.....so, a third down over the past year..... in two more years..... what? I guess you'll be shuffling through the buffet line at Horn and Hardarts professing how great obama is doing?

There are still people who think Carter was one of the best presidents ever.....

1199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:22pm

re: #1179 Afrocity

Okay, imagine I am a video game and my pac man has no life/energy bar left.
That is how I feel and I am going back to bed.
Nite Lizards.

I could offer to insert several more quarters, but that might be too suggestive.

Hope ya feel better.

1200 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:03:59pm

re: #1187 WindHorse

.....so, a third down over the past year..... in two more years..... what? I guess you'll be shuffling through the buffet line at Horn and Hardarts professing how great obama is doing?

No, I'm set with my Navy retirement, and Social Security. The collector car hobby/business is stronger then ever, so life is good without tapping my IRA.

1201 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:05:00pm

re: #1198 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are still people who think Carter was one of the best presidents ever.....

Well, Renee ZellzingerIdiot thinks he write great poetry ... cool huh? ...

/never watching a movie of hers again

1202 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:05:19pm

re: #1189 JacksonTn

umm ...could you make me one? ...I'm not sick but sounds great ...it will help me sleep ...

gimme a sec.... i gotta go see if there's a avanti rat lurking on the back fence to snipe..... the sneaky little freeloaders keep trying to live off the bird feeders.

1203 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:05:33pm

re: #1182 redc1c4

Now you tell me! (I'll try that tomorrow night.....have to get the kid to get me some lemon juice.)

I really am doing bourbon, cough syrup, and a little soda water! Frankly, it's not bad!

1204 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:05:48pm

re: #1198 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are still people who think Carter was one of the best presidents ever.....

the PLO and who else?

1205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:09pm

re: #1200 avanti

No, I'm set with my Navy retirement, and Social Security. The collector car hobby/business is stronger then ever, so life is good without tapping my IRA.

No wonder you are so boosterist on Obama...you suck at the governmental teat but good.

1206 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:27pm

re: #1192 wolfie

Damn right! I'm sick of people with more money than me flaunting their wealth by doing shit like....um....signing my paychecks!

Can't my paychecks be signed by some irresponsible, broke deadbeat for a change!?

/well...I might be getting a tax return

1207 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:53pm

re: #1204 redc1c4

the PLO and who else?

ROTFLMAO

1208 tackle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:06:54pm

re: #1194 redc1c4

My 401K is in the crapper and we're facing a salary cut, but who I really feel bad for is people like my parents who have lost half their retirement. And for all of those class-envy folks who think they are immune, it's going to trickle down to them. We cancelled a short vacation and my parents are rethinking retirement plans.

1209 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:07:50pm

re: #1197 redc1c4

how about they go out and get a j*b for a change?
or is that too much to hope for?

It is.
FAR too much. :(

1210 mirage  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:01pm

re: #1192 wolfie

Instead of taxing "the rich" and thereby wrecking the economy, why can't the class-envy folks find some other way to express their bitterness and resentment? It would be far, far better for most of us if we just flogged "the rich" in the public square ever so often.

The sad thing is the same people that envy the rich are considered rich in relation to the rest of the world... slippery slope to get on since what's next, we all pay for the world's poor... oh wait, don't we do that already?

1211 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:17pm

re: #1205 FurryOldGuyJeans

....to be fair, if Avanti put in the time in the USN, he gets what he has earned.
(which doesn't mean that he learned anything while in service to this great country)

1212 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:08:34pm

re: #1208 tackle

Retirement? What's that all about again?

1213 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:09:17pm

re: #1206 Fenway_Nation

Damn right! I'm sick of people with more money than me flaunting their wealth by doing shit like....um....signing my paychecks!

Can't my paychecks be signed by some irresponsible, broke deadbeat for a change!?

/well...I might be getting a tax return

Damn, my rent is due this week. Time sare rough and can barely make it. I should stop paying my rent and lobby the White House for some good old gubernement assistance. Maybe I can have a Federal judge re-write my lease.

//

1214 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:09:22pm

re: #1195 Killian Bundy

Obama Brings Toughness and Modesty to Foreign Policy

/um, they seem to have forgotten the world's laughingstock

/seriously, has there been any country that hasn't told Obama to [expletive deleted] off yet?

1215 BatGuano  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:09:27pm

re: #1132 wolfie

No it doesn't. I have so many fond memories of President Reagan, maybe I want it to be recent. He is the reason (with a little help from Jimmy Carter) who made me change my party affiliation form Democrat to Republican. I needed to change so I could for Reagan in California Republican primary.

1216 tackle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:09:45pm

re: #1212 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hope you have enough money so you don't have to move into your kid's basement?

1217 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:09:59pm

re: #1184 avanti

It's way to early to tell, polls show they'll give BHO a year or two, but that's it.

No, it's not too early to tell. The stock market is the earliest indicator of how well plans are received. History allows us to "tell", as well. Why? Because this shit failed in Germany, it failed in Japan, etc.

I know you don't care what I have to say, and frankly, I don't care about what you have to say either. Regardless of that fact, though, I feel compelled to respond to anything I see that is just so fucking stupid that it just warrants a response.

1218 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:10:33pm

Good night, scaly ones. My pillow is soft and beckoning.

1219 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:10:37pm

re: #1205 FurryOldGuyJeans

No wonder you are so boosterist on Obama...you suck at the governmental teat but good.

Gotta call bullshit on this. Would you begrudge anyone other than avanti his earned military retirement and social security benefits?

It's over the line.

1220 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:02pm

re: #1205 FurryOldGuyJeans

No wonder you are so boosterist on Obama...you suck at the governmental teat but good.

Yea, military retirement and SS I paid in to for 50 years is shameful welfare teat sucking. WTF, has happened to the right, you've turned very mean in the last few years.

1221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:04pm

re: #1192 wolfie

Instead of taxing "the rich" and thereby wrecking the economy, why can't the class-envy folks find some other way to express their bitterness and resentment? It would be far, far better for most of us if we just flogged "the rich" in the public square ever so often.

I'd recommend something like this, but it's bad luck just seeing a thing like that.

1222 JacksonTn  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:30pm

Can't wait for 2012 ...Headlines:

HISTORIC ELECTION ...FIRST BLACK U.S. PRESIDENT DEFEATED

Historic I tell ya ...

/racist

1223 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:33pm

I'm just tired of this business of punishing the rich, even when they know damned well these policies punish us all. Why does the whole country have to suffer just so they can get their resentment jollies?

I'm getting very, very, very cranky.

1224 pink freud  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:53pm

re: #1218 Silvergirl

Good night, scaly ones. My pillow is soft and beckoning.

Nite silvergirl.

1225 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:11:56pm

re: #1220 avanti

Yea, military retirement and SS I paid in to for 50 years is shameful welfare teat sucking. WTF, has happened to the right, you've turned very mean in the last few years.

What do you mean by The Right?

1226 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:12:41pm

re: #1112 realwest

I hate to have to tell you this, but if Obama's economy goes into the crapper, ALL OF US SUFFER FOR IT.

Having been thru a few economic downturns in my 66+ years - I feel while this one may be the most severe - as in all the others ... being at choice - I choose NOT TO PARTICIPATE in it. Further, I will structure my life to maximize my income and minimize any amount that I am required to contribute to the state.

Mercy me - I do love computers so.

1227 Gus  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:12:42pm

The bar is open!

1228 BatGuano  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:13:18pm

re: #1150 redc1c4

Oy.

1229 mirage  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:13:44pm

re: #1220 avanti

Yea, military retirement and SS I paid in to for 50 years is shameful welfare teat sucking. WTF, has happened to the right, you've turned very mean in the last few years.

Ah, social security... biggest Ponzi scheme in history... Madoff has nothing on that one.

1230 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:14:56pm

re: #1216 tackle

Hope you have enough money so you don't have to move into your kid's basement?

She has a condo, no basement. Guess we could move into our basement (which is really more like a cellar) and rent the rest of the house out. LOL I tell ya, it's scary. I'm 61 and hubby is 58. He had four brain surgeries in the past few years and even with insurance, that's expensive. With this economy I really don't know what's going to happen.

1231 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:15:06pm

re: #1194 redc1c4

i'm fifty and fucked.

Neither of you are. If you are 60+ you are.

My nick is blue.

1232 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:15:44pm

re: #1220 avanti

Dude, I am what you would classify as "the Right"...... I gave you props.....
but - I do wonder why you didn't absorb more frankly....(on the other hand, if you were a career military guy, you never had to live and breathe with the market place.....wondering whether you would have a job in two months.... or next week....etc. I guess I see why you are how you are.) There are a lot of us who scramble continuously....walking the tightrope with no net..... we see things differently up here.

1233 wolfie  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:16:30pm

re: #1221 Slumbering Behemoth

ROFLMAO.......!

1234 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:16:56pm

re: #1211 WindHorse

re: #1219 pink freud

Well, gee, I opened my mouth and sure shoved my foot in this time. What I said was not what I intended, and so I have to say I was wrong.

re: #1220 avanti

I offer an apology.

1235 tackle  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:18:57pm

re: #1230 Pvt Bin Jammin

That's harsh. Best of luck to you.

1236 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:19:52pm

re: #1235 tackle

Thanks, we're survivors, but d*mn.

1237 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:20:14pm

re: #1211 WindHorse

....to be fair, if Avanti put in the time in the USN, he gets what he has earned.
(which doesn't mean that he learned anything while in service to this great country)

Well, that was sort of a backhanded compliment, but I'll take what I can get. Interesting Navy story, first few years I was a Engineman and my division was largely conservative as was I. I retrained to be a Electronics Tech and was suddenly among mostly liberals and moved left with a Reagan lapse.

1238 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:20:39pm

re: #1205 FurryOldGuyJeans

No wonder you are so boosterist on Obama...you suck at the governmental teat but good.

as someone who just found out last week that i finally qualify for my munificent ($275/month currently) Reserve retirement check should i live long enough to get it, i have to object.

Avanti is an idiot, but if he earned his retirement, he's entitled to it.

i just wish he'd spend it on reality treatments.

1239 mirage  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:20:40pm

re: #1220 avanti

Yea, military retirement and SS I paid in to for 50 years is shameful welfare teat sucking. WTF, has happened to the right, you've turned very mean in the last few years.

Props for serving, but seriously... the right is mean? As opposed to the "left" that has been down right nasty for many decades now.

1240 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:22:55pm

re: #1225 Gus 802

What do you mean by The Right?

OK, some on LGF, just lost my temper over all the bitterness.

1241 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:23:05pm

re: #1220 avanti

Too late to play the 'hurt feelings' card. Eight years of being called stupid, bigoted, uneducated, intolerant and greedy along with all the blood-libel the MSM and left participated in against the enlisted men and women in our Armed Forces...and you want to wonder why we're so mean?

How about you use some of those retirement benefeits to buy yourself a fucking clue?

1242 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:23:41pm

re: #1237 avanti

Well, that was sort of a backhanded compliment, but I'll take what I can get. Interesting Navy story, first few years I was a Engineman and my division was largely conservative as was I. I retrained to be a Electronics Tech and was suddenly among mostly liberals and moved left with a Reagan lapse.

I don't know when you were in but when I went thru ETA school on TI in 60-61 - our class was so conservative we squeaked - as did our instructors. Those of us that still communicate are still conservative.

1243 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:24:30pm

re: #1239 mirage

Props for serving, but seriously... the right is mean? As opposed to the "left" that has been down right nasty for many decades now.

OK, good point, not everyone on the right, just a few on here are as bad as some of the Kosacks.

1244 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:27:24pm

"Government does not cause affluence. Citizens of totalitarian countries have
plenty of government and nothing of anything else. "
-- P. J. O'Rourke
(1947- ) US humorist, journalist, & political commentator
Source: "Eat the Rich"

1245 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:27:45pm

re: #1242 Bobibutu

I don't know when you were in but when I went thru ETA school on TI in 60-61 - our class was so conservative we squeaked - as did our instructors. Those of us that still communicate are still conservative.

I think it was related to the Vietnam war in the late 60's. Hell, half my division was anti war by that point. That was the Navy's hippie period, beards, rap sessions, the works.

1246 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:29:41pm

re: #1230 Pvt Bin Jammin

She has a condo, no basement. Guess we could move into our basement (which is really more like a cellar) and rent the rest of the house out. LOL I tell ya, it's scary. I'm 61 and hubby is 58. He had four brain surgeries in the past few years and even with insurance, that's expensive. With this economy I really don't know what's going to happen.

we could use housekeepers here.....
you get a meals, a roof and can cash in my empties?

/white smoke

1247 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:30:29pm

re: #1245 avanti

I think it was related to the Vietnam war in the late 60's. Hell, half my division was anti war by that point. That was the Navy's hippie period, beards, rap sessions, the works.

That is not the Navy I experienced at Yankee Station and the Far East 66-70.

1248 WindHorse  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:31:02pm

Avanti, I have a lot of friends who were career military. And, many share your perspective on how things work. But, there are (at least) the same number who think about things the way I do (ie. more conservative..... less government etc.).

And, I think Obama was elected by the majority who could only see a black man running for office.

I think the guy is unqualified (completely) and a liability.... and it has nothing to do with his skin color.

1249 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:33:35pm

re: #1241 Fenway_Nation

Too late to play the 'hurt feelings' card. Eight years of being called stupid, bigoted, uneducated, intolerant and greedy along with all the blood-libel the MSM and left participated in against the enlisted men and women in our Armed Forces...and you want to wonder why we're so mean?

How about you use some of those retirement benefeits to buy yourself a fucking clue?

So the friggin cycle never ends ? Have I ever resorted to name calling or insults on here. I can't be responsible for every transgression by the MSN or another leftie. Disagree with me, but the insults are just lame. I get the bitterness, and I expect some venting, but hope to keep it reasonably civil at some point.

1250 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:35:18pm

re: #1247 Bobibutu

That is not the Navy I experienced at Yankee Station and the Far East 66-70.

You must have been deployed with me. I was on the Newport News CA 148 in the 1967 deployment.

1251 avanti  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:36:43pm

Crap, it's late, catch you all later.

1252 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:40:34pm

re: #1238 redc1c4

#1234

1253 Bob Dillon  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:42:07pm

re: #1250 avanti

You must have been deployed with me. I was on the Newport News CA 148 in the 1967 deployment.

No - by then I was an IBM Field Engineer. The Navy would fly me out from Saigon when they needed help. I was onboard from time to time every Carrier, Cruiser, a few Tin Cans and support craft that were there for those 4+ years. All that I came in contact with were highly professional, squared away sailors and officers.

Your comments are a surprise and miss-match with my experience.

1254 Roses  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 11:51:38pm

re: #19 Shug

A nation of fools gove

I like it! anationoffools.gov

(Mr. Biden, pssst, that's number 86, on the list, of, you know...websites!)

1255 Twilight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:53:30am

re: #6 Cognito

Whatever. I'm collecting and bartering with bottle caps now, anyway.

Cool. If you're already living in Fallout mode - might as well buy some ammo from me for meds.

1256 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:07:05am

re: #373 swamprat

I think it is absolute BS. I am unable to find the list which is 57 states long. Doesn't smell right. It just smells.

Organisation of the Islamic Conference
Members

1257 Han_Solo  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:35:41am

DO NOT TAKE OBAMA'S ADVICE


PE ratios look low because the PRICE has come down MUCH faster than the earnings estimates have come out....but REMEMBER the EARNINGS is based on 'FORWARD/FUTURE' earnings. Your betting that this ratio is true based on the future earnings of the company.

And most of these stocks are still using earnings based on OLD NUMBERS/aka pre-economy crash numbers.

A stock that has a PE today of 7 because the price came down, could have a PE of 25 tomorrow as soon as the company comes out with their new 'opps 2009 is fuxored' earnings estimates.

Anyone who invests at all, knows how CLUELESS this 'stocks are cheap' thinking shows about someones lack of understanding what PE really is.

1258 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:40:24am

Sadly, Obama, like the majority of idiots in congress, are economic illiterates.

These people will bring us to our knees.

1259 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:40:35am

Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who noted that the Democrats are economic ignoramuses?

1260 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:41:09am

Community Organizers do not need to know a thing about economic issues.

1261 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:42:27am

After 20 years at Church Hate - all Obama knows is that the middle class must be destroyed.

1262 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:50:13am

Karl Marx is a fraud - and his followers are idiots.

1263 ExPatriot  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 7:20:07am

I work for the research department of a large financial institution and when this came over the Bloomberg wire, we all had a chuckle about it. My coworkers (who are analysts) thought it was funny how Obama has now become a stock analyst-- one that doesn't even know what P/E means.

1264 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #32 UberInfidel67

I am glad I am poor but I do feel bad for my friends here who actually have investments and own property and such. Hang in there...things HAVE to get better.

there's nowhere to go but up from the bottom
(unless you're Jimmy Carter, or AP, or Reuters, or Hamas.......)

forget it we're screwed!

1265 pittrader1988  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 8:17:01am

Obama commented yesterday that you should buy the stock market, but what about him?

Obama IS BUYING the stock market. He is nationalizing industries as fast as he can. Since Obama is government, he is buying by socializing.

1266 justabill  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 8:38:30am

re: #108 Iron Fist

Let me preface this by saying that I am not a business type, but my understanding is that profits and earnings are the same thing. Wouldn't this mean Obamas P/E ratio for all companies would be 1.

I think I see how his plan works. All companies have the same P/E (1). Therefore all companies become equal. A socialist utopia...

1267 Sabnen  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 8:50:32am

This morning, on NPR, they played this gaff. They didn't point out the error.

They did say, twice in the pretty short report, that President Obama suggests that the time to buy stocks is NOW!

This would be funny if both NPR and Obama weren't so pathetic.

1268 Colonel Panik  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 8:57:50am

re: #17 Sharmuta

We'd hear jokes about it for 4-8 years. And then some, because Bush was a stupid republican, and this is 0bama. He's like the male Mary Poppins, you know. Practically perfect in every way. *puke*


Just a spoonful of blather
Makes the Stimulus go down
The Stimulus go down
The Stimulus go down
Just a spoonful of blather
Makes the Stimulus go down
In the most delightful way!

1269 damnyanqui  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:40:33pm

Actually, I'm afraid we may be going a little overboard on our clueless chief executive this time.
I actually HEARD his comments and he didn't actually say "profit to earnings ratio" or "profit and earnings ratio."
It was more like "when you're looking at profits... (pause) and earnings ratios..."
It was as if he were mentioning profits, and THEN adding P/E ratios, but dropped the word "price" from the term, sort of a weird abbreviation.
The fact that he didn't automatically use the whole term correctly certainly could demonstrate a lack of familiarity or comfort with some pretty basic financial terminology, but not as gross a screwup as "profit to earnings ratio" would have been.
Make no mistake, this imbecile will destroy our country, but I don't think we've got him THAT unequivocably this time.

1270 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 7:45:27pm

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