David Brooks Smells Something Funny

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New York Times columnist David Brooks wakes up, looks around, and says, “Hey, what happened?” Op-Ed Columnist - A Moderate Manifesto - NYTimes.com.

Those of us who consider ourselves moderates — moderate-conservative, in my case — are forced to confront the reality that Barack Obama is not who we thought he was. His words are responsible; his character is inspiring. But his actions betray a transformational liberalism that should put every centrist on notice.

A quick look through the LGF archives during the 2008 campaign will turn up article after article blowing the whistle on Barack Obama’s associations, history, and ideology. But apparently, mainstream pundits like David Brooks were only hearing the siren songs of hopenchange, and couldn’t be bothered to pay attention to the warning signs all around.

One unfortunate factor that exacerbated the tendency to dismiss all critics of Barack Obama as kooks: the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks, enthusiastically and relentlessly promoting stories like the birth certificate nonsense, the “Michelle Obama ‘whitey’ tape,” the “Obama is the love child of Malcolm X” rubbish, and countless other insane and/or stupid smears. The damage they did (and are still doing, in some cases) to the center-right blogosphere was enormous; when some of the loudest voices are screaming gibberish, they drown out everyone else and tar the whole group by association.

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487 comments
1 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:28:55am

I would laugh if I wasn’t so scared for the country.

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:30:45am

Reality bites hard, doesn’t it Mr. Brooks?

3 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:30:50am

Sharp as a cueball, that Brooks.

4 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:31:08am
But his actions betray a transformational liberalism that should put every centrist on notice.


Surprise Surprise Surprise

5 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:31:28am

Who hit him with the clue bat ?

6 jamgarr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:31:30am

Kooks will be kooks. Waking the moderates will not bode well for Obama.

7 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:31:33am

Wonder how long it will take him to get his mind right again? What we have here, Mr. Brooks, is a failure to communicate.

8 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:31:56am

I really don’t want to break the terrible news to Dave about what bears do in the woods.

9 MJ  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:32:14am

Frankly, screw David Brooks. He’s the “house Jew” in the Sulzberger Court.
He’d have more credibility when he takes on the Walter Duranty of today’s New York Times, Roger Cohen.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:32:22am
On the left, there is a president who appears to be, as Crook says, “a conviction politician, a bold progressive liberal.” On the right, there are the Rush Limbaugh brigades. The only thing more scary than Obama’s experiment is the thought that it might fail and the political power will swing over to a Republican Party that is currently unfit to wield it.

Those of us in the moderate tradition — the Hamiltonian tradition that believes in limited but energetic government — thus find ourselves facing a void. We moderates are going to have to assert ourselves. We’re going to have to take a centrist tendency that has been politically feckless and intellectually vapid and turn it into an influential force.


Word to your mother.

11 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:32:23am

His words are responsible? Still saying “I inherited this” and “failed policies of the past” when the market is tanking on HIS (and Geithner’s) inaction and incompetence is NOT taking responsibility.

12 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:32:50am

If the MFM paid attention to the real news and stopped kissing 44 shoes/ass we would not be in this position.

You up MM. Have your rant.

13 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:32:52am

David Brooks, Sheeple Extraordinaire.

I little late to be smelling the coffee, you moron.

14 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:30am
the “Obama is the love child of Malcolm X” rubbish

Did someone say… “Love Child”?

15 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:35am

David Brooks only now realizes that Obama wasn’t what he seemed? What the frack was he thinking ever thinking that Obama was moderate? There was absolutely nothing in Obama’s background to even hint that Obama would play moderate. Nothing. It was all solid left to far left to Marxist. His economic theories are straight out of the New Deal and big government - bigger than anything the fiscal liberal Bush could come up with. If there’s anything that leftists can do, it’s outspend everyone else with other people’s money.

There’s nothing in his words that suggest moderation or conservativism.

If I were a reporter at the NYT, and knew that the paper’s stock was in penny stock territory (which it is close to), and that firings of the newsroom are on the horizon, I’d be demanding Brooks’ scalp because he’s done nothing to show that he can provide insightful commentary or anything else of use - regardless of his political stance.

The same goes for Dowd. Krugman can at least provide some insight on economics - even if he’s wrong more often than not.

The Times is paying Brooks $300,000 for this drivel? RS McCain does the righteous rant far better than I.

16 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:36am
17 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:37am

Goatt hand it to the “O” and his “crew”….
How many people could “Rick Roll” A Nation of 308 Million?
We saw it coming !
Don’t make it any easier to swallow tho!

18 mattm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:51am

OT I just Jot a e-mail from my congresscritter warning me of scams that could take my money. They forgot to mention them selves.

19 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:54am
David Brooks Smells Something Funny

As my nanny useta’ say about really dumb people, he wouldn’t know pig poop if it were smeared under his nose.

20 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:55am

I’m just waiting for the day that tingle turns into a twinge.

21 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:33:56am
His words are responsible; his character is inspiring.

Mr. Brooks still has not opened his eyes.

22 rexatosis  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:34:17am

I believe it is called being willfully blind. Usually such delusional behavior is seen in disfunctional relationships and have disasterous results. Unfortunately we are stuck in this relationship for another three years and 10+ months.

23 Sizzlack  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:34:28am
are forced to confront the reality that Barack Obama is not who we thought he was.

Really? He’s exactly what most of us thought he was.

24 jaunte  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:34:52am

“But his actions betray a transformational liberalism that should put every centrist on notice.”

Brooks’ euphemism here is over-gentle.

25 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:00am

How lazy a columnist must he be? I heard the warnings and “news” isn’t even my profession! Isn’t it his job to cut through the clutter and noise?

26 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:05am
27 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:14am

re: #23 Sizzlack

Really? He’s exactly what most of us thought he was.


Just the ones who pay attention

28 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:21am

I agree with you Charles, but does this let Brooks off the hook? Could not he be a tad curious about the LA Times Rashidi tape? If not that, how about all the other terrible associations that 0bama seemed to collect? It seems to me that Brooks or at least other like him are more than willing to be led down any path that defames a Republican. All criticisms of Dems are dismissed out of hand.

29 Windhorse  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:32am

“His words are responsible; his character is inspiring. And he does so well with the Teleprompter.”

30 Darwin Akbar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:35:57am

Et tu, Mo Dowd?

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

31 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:03am
32 rightside  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:13am

I could have sworn Rush just said he’s the “Head Honco” LOL

33 kafir lover  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:29am

re: #21 wrenchwench

Mr. Brooks still has not opened his eyes.

“You sir are weak; unwilling & unable to look evil in the eye & deal with it” ~Jack Bauer

34 Cato the Elder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:31am

Yes, the kooks are running the chicken coop, it seems. Both on the left and the right.

Wingnuts to right of them,
Moonbats to left of them,
Pundits in front of them
Volley’d and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with snot and smell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Kos,
Into the mouth of Rush
Rode the six hundred.

35 rexatosis  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:34am

Oh, yeah, since when the hell did Hamilton become a moderate. Jefferson is spinning in his grave over that description.

36 Lynn B.  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:36am
The damage they did (and are still doing, in some cases) to the center-right blogosphere was enormous; when some of the loudest voices are screaming gibberish, they drown out everyone else and tar the whole group by association.

And the damage is not just to the center-right blogosphere. It continues to spill over to the vast numbers of center-right American citizens and politicians who get tarred with that same brush.

37 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:37am

I’ve actually heard a very eloquent speech Brooks gave to young conservatives about “what it means to be a conservative”. Pull quote, that I remember: “Conservatives have principles; liberals have policies.”

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Obama was not the droid he was looking for.

But he is a Sith, serving his master: Darth Soros.

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:36:40am

re: #15 lawhawk

I have the exact opposite problem as Brooks. To me Obama is actually more moderate than I thought he would be. Obama ran a radical left campaign and has a far left past. He still stinks but he’s more moderate (so far) than I thought he would be. How anyone got the impression for Obama’s that he was reasonable is beyond me.

40 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:37:07am

I see more & more 0bots looking for cover… they must be afraid of something.

41 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:37:36am

Buyers remorse and 44 is only 50 days in. The MFM is going to eat crow on this one ine the months to come.

42 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #30 Darwin Akbar

Et tu, Mo Dowd?

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Wow, you know the tide is shifting when Dowd has something critical to say about the one.

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #33 kafir lover

“You sir are weak; unwilling & unable to look evil in the eye & deal with it” ~Jack Bauer

Best.TV.Line.Ever.

44 shiplord kirel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:37:55am

“Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.”

45 kafir lover  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:29am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon


I felt this strange tingle in my leg as well ;-)

46 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:37am
47 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:45am

OT, I just wanted to say Happy Birthday to the city of Chicago
on today March 4th its 172nd birthday!

48 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:50am
the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks, enthusiastically and relentlessly promoting stories

A question: That youtube vid someone linked to yesterday of Obama allegedly reading from Dreams From My Father (I think) and saying “white peoples’ greed runs a world in need”… authentic?

49 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:57am

When MSM is State Run Brooks will not get the job he wants.
He will be in the Artic watching the snow melt

50 rightside  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:38:57am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

I’d hate to think of who you would consider far left then.

51 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:39:30am
52 claire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:39:39am

Yep, tabloid journalism (aka gossip) is a destructive poison in whatever form it takes.

53 jaunte  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:40:03am

I wonder what Brooks found ‘inspiring’ about Obama’s character.

54 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:40:31am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

/Hey! someone skimmed off all the icing!

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:40:34am

re: #34 Cato the Elder

Yes, the kooks are running the chicken coop, it seems. Both on the left and the right.

I’d rather think of us as the 93rd Foot at Balaclava: Their stand against the Russian cavalry was the original “Thin Red Streak” (Later changed to “Thin Red Line”).

56 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:40:46am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

He still stinks but he’s more moderate (so far) than I thought he would be.

Um…. what is it you were expecting him to do during his first month and a half in office? Deport the kuhlaks?

57 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:01am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

I have the exact opposite problem as Brooks. To me Obama is actually more moderate than I thought he would be. Obama ran a radical left campaign and has a far left past. He still stinks but he’s more moderate (so far) than I thought he would be. How anyone got the impression for Obama’s that he was reasonable is beyond me.

The only way you can reach that conclusion is when you realize that Congress is to the far left of Obama at present. I read this as a purposeful triangulation. Obama gets to pose as a “moderate” while enacting leftist agendas without so much as a whimper.

58 CIA Reject  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:14am

David, David, David - I’m so sorry:

Off to Re-education Camp with him!

59 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:15am

re: #53 jaunte

I wonder what Brooks found ‘inspiring’ about Obama’s character.

A question for the ages.

60 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:27am
61 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:31am
One unfortunate factor that exacerbated the tendency to dismiss all critics of Barack Obama as kooks: the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks,

There are always going to be kooks on each side. That’s a given. I would hope that Brooks would know that and do his own research and ask his own questions of all candidates and political policies. The fact that he didn’t and now regrets his position is a cop-out for lazy, uncritical, go-with-the-flow thinking.

I’m not going to let Brooks off the hook for his myopia because of the kooks. Obama was not secretive about his intentions, his associations were uncovered and even mentioned occasionally in the MSM. NO ONE GAVE A TINKER’S DAMN! Not Brooks, not Fox, not Blue Dog Dems.

*SPIT*

62 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:41:56am

So Mo actually opened her eyes huh? And Brooks is actually doing likewise….too bad the jackass is in office now isn’t it you pantywaist. I still echo Mandymanners sentiments…..

HOPE YOU HOPENCHANGE ASSHOLES ARE REAL HAPPY NOW

63 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

Sharp as a cueball, that Brooks.

Stupid is as stupid does.

64 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

I’d rather think of us as the 93rd Foot at Balaclava: Their stand against the Russian cavalry was the original “Thin Red Streak” (Later changed to “Thin Red Line”).

Yes, but about those bright red battle uniforms… perhaps we can rethink that idea…

65 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:11am

Is “transformational liberalism” code for “nuke ‘em and start over in my image”?

It seems that “The One”(TM) is getting a pretty good jump on that agenda item.

OTO, OTO, OTO

66 Catttt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:18am

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

67 Windhorse  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:31am

re: #47 Afrocity

Be careful if anyone offers cake. I hear there are hacksaw blades hiddne inside…..

68 Last Mohican  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:39am
Moderates now find themselves betwixt and between. On the left, there is a president who appears to be, as Crook says, “a conviction politician, a bold progressive liberal.” On the right, there are the Rush Limbaugh brigades. The only thing more scary than Obama’s experiment is the thought that it might fail and the political power will swing over to a Republican Party that is currently unfit to wield it.

What utter, stinking bullshit. Once again, the DNC is treating the entire mainstream media like a product placement movie. “Hello, New York Times? This is the DNC calling. We’d like you to make sure you print Rush Limbaugh’s name any time you mention the Republican Party. Great. Thanks. Bye.”

So that what moderates fear? The choice between a “bold, progressive liberal of conviction” and a Republican Party that’s “unfit to wield power?”

No, what moderates fear is having a president who is a lifelong member of a racist hate group, who endorses a terrorist murderer that wanted to kill 25 million innocent Americans, and who seeks to dump the entire American economy into a morass of unlimited spending without any rhyme, reason, debate, or explanation. That is what moderates fear, you moron.

[ahem, please pardon my belligerence. didn’t have my coffee today.]

69 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #48 Occasional Reader

A question: That youtube vid someone linked to yesterday of Obama allegedly reading from Dreams From My Father (I think) and saying “white peoples’ greed runs a world in need”… authentic?

I think so.

70 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

There are many good bakeries in Chicago. But if we are baking the city a cake, we need an candle in the shape of Obama. As the flame melts his likeness, so may the flame of truth melt his lies.

71 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:48am
72 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:53am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

At Mayor Richard J. Daleys Bakery

73 Windhorse  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:42:56am

hiddne

74 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:09am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

I think Don’t blame me I voted for Hillary would be fitting too.

75 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:13am

re: #42 turn

Wow, you know the tide is shifting when Dowd has something critical to say about the one.

I noticed this little quote from McCain in that article -I’m disappointed to read it.

$2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii, as McCain twittered, “because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy.”

76 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:14am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

No, I’m having that air-brushed on my tail-gate…

77 truth stick  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:53am

He must have run out of Kool-Aid finally.

78 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:54am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

I will take 2.

79 jamgarr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:43:54am

re: #64 Occasional Reader

Yes, but about those bright red battle uniforms… perhaps we can rethink that idea…


Zoaves?

80 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:01am

re: #72 Afrocity

At Mayor Richard J. Daleys Bakery

Do they do anything besides Devil’s Food?

81 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:21am

“You can’t tell people who already know.” -Anonymous

Brooks took a phone call from Obama who blew smoke up his skirt, and Brooks felt he was smarter than other conservatives, and could see into Obama’s soul and detect his wise benevolent approach to US problems.

Brooks refused to factor in Obama’s pronounced pattern of distortions and lies. Brooks knew exactly what the critics were saying. Brooks wasn’t distracted by the birth certificate controversy, or anything else BUT those fake controversies did provide cover for the media to focus on the fake stories.

Brooks was scammed by a political predator, seduced by a fascist giggilo - and yes he should have known better, but there’s no accounting for love.

82 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:22am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

Not too early, and add a “I miss W” while you are at it. But maybe it should be “Don’t Blame Me - I voted for Sarah and Joe-The-Plumber”?

83 MikeAlv77  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:26am

Amazing.. The One does exactly what he said he would do - “spread the wealth” anyone…? And people are wondering why he is so left wing.. Give me a break. IT didn’t matter what the “right wing” blogs said. Even the MSM let it slip about the 0-man plenty of times. The 0-man’s own words provided all the clues needed.

84 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:27am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

My personal favorite “Hope was Hype”

85 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:35am

re: #67 Windhorse

Be careful if anyone offers cake. I hear there are hacksaw blades hiddne inside…..

I hear the cake is decorated like Blago’s head.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:50am

re: #68 Last Mohican

If Brooks had listened to Limbaugh a few times (and/or read LGF) he may have avoided this surprise.

87 smokefire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:44:56am

re: #76 Amer-I-Can

I am considering having that tattooed on my arm

88 JohnAdams  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

Interesting…I have not yet seen an anti-Obama sticker on a car or a t-shirt, but I’m willing to bet I’ll see one within a month or so.

89 smokefire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:45:45am

re: #79 jamgarr

Zoaves?

……what are we doing taking uniforms from loser’s now.

90 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:45:55am

Bumper Sticker
Obama/Biden
Do these guys suck or what?

91 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:45:55am

re: #82 Crimsonfisted

Not too early, and add a “I miss W” while you are at it. But maybe it should be “Don’t Blame Me - I voted for Sarah and Joe-The-Plumber”?

Still like “Don’t blame me - I voted for the Vet and Mommie - not the nut and the commie

92 saberry0530  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:05am

Brooks face must look like a fish right now. He finally hit the tart portion of his SWEET AND SOUR OBAMA.

93 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:18am

let bygones be bygones…it’s all good in the long run…at least give these folks credit for speaking out and more will follow…it has to be that way…I have spoken

94 FloridaAnole  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:24am

re: #15 lawhawk

Thanks for linking the Robert Stacy McCain piece. It’s a gem.

95 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:28am

re: #79 jamgarr

Zoaves?

Our uniforms should be zoave and zovisticated, yes, definitely.

96 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #64 Occasional Reader

Yes, but about those bright red battle uniforms… perhaps we can rethink that idea…

Worn by the British Regulars, red was an honorable colour (I’m talking about the UK, hence the British spelling). And besides, the 93rd was a Highlander regiment (later known as the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders). They wore kilts and tartan as well, so you need not focus on the red.

97 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:45am

re: #91 bolivar

Still like “Don’t blame me - I voted for the Vet and Mommie - not the nut and the commie

DINGDINGDING!

98 JohnAdams  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:47am

re: #68 Last Mohican

What utter, stinking . Once again, the DNC is treating the entire mainstream media like a product placement movie. “Hello, New York Times? This is the DNC calling. We’d like you to make sure you print Rush Limbaugh’s name any time you mention the Republican Party. Great. Thanks. Bye.”

So that what moderates fear? The choice between a “bold, progressive liberal of conviction” and a Republican Party that’s “unfit to wield power?”

No, what moderates fear is having a president who is a lifelong member of a racist hate group, who endorses a terrorist murderer that wanted to kill 25 million innocent Americans, and who seeks to dump the entire American economy into a morass of unlimited spending without any rhyme, reason, debate, or explanation. That is what moderates fear, you moron.

[ahem, please pardon my belligerence. didn’t have my coffee today.]

No, no…keep going.

99 rightside  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:51am

re: #91 bolivar

That’s a keeper!

100 jamgarr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:46:57am

re: #89 smokefire

……what are we doing taking uniforms from loser’s now.

Actually, I think the Zoaves had a pretty good battle reputation.

101 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #75 Bloodnok

Yeah, he’s right it is pork but personally I’m all for more astronomy. I wonder what the money will go to.

102 VegasRick  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Um…. what is it you were expecting him to do during his first month and a half in office? Deport the kuhlaks?

FEMA camps.

103 saberry0530  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #93 albusteve

let bygones be bygones…it’s all good in the long run…at least give these folks credit for speaking out and more will follow…it has to be that way…I have spoken


DId anyone hear something?

//////

104 debutaunt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #54 brookly red

/Hey! someone skimmed off all the icing!

The cake is empty inside!

105 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:27am

re: #90 kansas

Bumper Sticker
Obama/Biden
Do these guys suck or what?

Bumpersticker

Obama Tortures Taxpayers

106 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:51am

re: #88 JohnAdams

I have several anti-0 t-shirts. My favorite being FBO (instead of FBI). People gasp when they see this. A famous radio talk show host once said, “The pioneers take the arrows.”

107 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #92 saberry0530

Brooks face must look like a fish right now. He finally hit the tart portion of his SWEET AND SOUR OBAMA.

I’m not familiar with Chinese dishes, but is that anything like General Tsange’s Chicken?

108 JohnAdams  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:47:56am

re: #90 kansas

Obama Lied
Pig Sty

109 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:05am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?


yes, ” I told ya so!” would be more to the point…

110 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:07am

re: #101 turn

Yeah, he’s right it is pork but personally I’m all for more astronomy. I wonder what the money will go to.

Probably to something important like finally determining if Pluto is a planet.

111 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:09am

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Do they do anything besides Devil’s Food?

We have Pound Cake (cracks knuckles)

112 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:32am

re: #52 claire

OT: did you see the legislative analysis of the NM creationist bill? Here’s the .pdf. Sounds like somebody read up on the issue.

113 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Um…. what is it you were expecting him to do during his first month and a half in office? Deport the kuhlaks?

The market hasn’t hit 0 yet, and the US military still exists.

114 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #104 debutaunt

The cake is empty inside!


this is so wrong!

115 Earick  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:55am

I just love it!
I thought I would have to wait a year to see the middle-of-the-roaders start to complain.
I may wind up living under a bridge before this is all over but I have lived in much worse defending this country.
Nothing like an unwashed mob when they turn on their Messiah!

Tar… check
feathers… check
poll… check

116 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #104 debutaunt

The cake is empty inside!

HA!

117 opinionated  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:48:59am

I am so sick of dumb people.

Not the run of the mill dumb people but those who are purported to be smart.

Those who found out later that surrendering Gaza was not such a good idea.

Those that discovered that electing Olmert was crazy.

Those who realized in retrospect that housing prices will not always rise.

And most important today, those who didn’t realize that Obama was exactly who has always been- a Leftist and Socialist.

Many of us realized all those things and more before and as they were happening.

Many of us never got a tingle up our legs, we got a chill down our spine in fear of Obama.

I’m sick of dumb people- even the ones with high IQ’s. Actually I’m sick of them more because many continue to be wrong and they continue to make everything worse.

118 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:03am

re: #97 MandyManners

DINGDINGDING!

thankyouverymuch I love Sara and even though Mclame was as lame as they come he still would have been much better than this child trying to play like an adult. If my kid was acting like this I would paddle his butt and send him to bed. Of course I am not and cannot…..dammit!

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:07am

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Do they do anything besides Devil’s Food?

Yep, they also do Irish Coffee Cake, ACORN bread, and Patronage Pudding.

120 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:22am

re: #90 kansas

Bumper Sticker
Obama/Biden
Do these guys suck or what?


‘Honk If You’re Paying My Mortgage’: Stimulus Backlash Hits Bumpers

Tennessee’s Republican Party is trying to tap into the resentment that some Americans are feeling about the Obama administration’s foreclosure prevention program.

Thursday, the Nashville-based organization began selling bumper stickers reading “HONK If you’re paying my mortgage.” In five days more than 4,000 have been purchased, according to Bill Hobbs, the party’s spokesman. He said that this beats the 3,500 stickers the party sold last fall that read YOUR WALLET The only place Democrats want to drill.

“It was the right time, given all the backlash in the public to the mortgage bailout,” he said.
‘Honk If You’re Paying My Mortgage’:

121 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #101 turn

Yeah, he’s right it is pork but personally I’m all for more astronomy. I wonder what the money will go to.

It smacks of Jindal’s anti-science attitude. I hope I am wrong about that. I may not like the guy much but it’s never good to see another R go anti-science.

122 saberry0530  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #107 Occasional Reader

I’m not familiar with Chinese dishes, but is that anything like General Tsange’s Chicken?

NOPE! IT’s all just pork in a very dark sauce!

123 joncelli  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #81 DistantThunder

So let’s hope Brooks is awake now. Nobody thinks of him as a birth certificate crazy. He drank the cool aid, spat it out before it killed him, and has the reputation to tell people to put down the dixie cup before it’s too late (to pound a metaphor into the ground). So now maybe people will realize that it’s not just the right-wing fringe that has a problem with the Big O.

124 avanti  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:41am

re: #48 Occasional Reader

A question: That youtube vid someone linked to yesterday of Obama allegedly reading from Dreams From My Father (I think) and saying “white peoples’ greed runs a world in need”… authentic?


“Misrepresenting Obama’s audiobook, Hannity claimed Obama said, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need”

Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama had “openly complained about ‘white folks’ greed.’ ” Hannity played a clip from the audiobook version of Obama’s memoir in which Obama says, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need.” However, the clip is taken from a passage in which Obama is quoting from a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In fact, Hannity himself acknowledged as much on Hannity & Colmes in March, saying, “Even the ‘Audacity of Hope’ speech or sermon had, you know, ‘white greed’ in there.”

125 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:49:56am

re: #105 DistantThunder

Bumpersticker

Obama Tortures Taxpayers

Yes.

126 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:03am

re: #15 lawhawk

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

127 jamgarr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:11am

re: #104 debutaunt

The cake is empty inside!


Not a bad thing if someone named Elaniak pops out of it!

128 jaunte  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I would wager that he fell prey to the racist siren song of Making History by Electing the First Black President.

Speaking of those inspired by siren songs, as of March 4 they’re still tingling over at Puffhost:

HuffPost’s Pick

Like most Americans I have been awestruck by Barack Obama’s capture of the White House. I have also been pondering the significance of this historic event. Of course the first African-American as President is historic, especially in light of America’s history of slavery. The outpouring of congratulations and celebration from around the world has been equally astonishing. Why are so many people inspired by Americans’ choice of President-elect Obama?
My grandfather came to the US in 1947, accompanied by my father who was 17. Invited by the US government, my grandfather, a soil physicist, came to the midwest to Kansas State University. My father recounted an incident where my grandfather and he were told to sit at the back of the bus in the colored section. India had just got its independence from British rule and 300 million Indians were now free of colonial rule. To now suffer discrimination on the basis of skin color was unacceptable to him and he eventually got off the bus rather than comply.
Though the second world war accelerated the demise of colonialism, my contention is the colonial era has truly come to its conclusion with the election of Obama. It has taken America, a post colonial power, to bring about its end, with the free election of the first non-white leader of the West. This is what is resonating around the world, especially in many emerging countries who were colonised: India, Brazil, and African countries.[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

129 smokefire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #100 jamgarr

Actually, I think the Zoaves had a pretty good battle reputation.

…….the French, good battle rep. I am not talking about the Union troops during the Civil War. FYI, one unit of Zoaves was from FDNY, before they were FDNY [Fire Dept New York]

Oh btw, check out new avatar.

130 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:53am

re: #111 Afrocity

We have Pound Cake (cracks knuckles)

Sorry, but due to our new “Let’s Be Like Sophisticated Europeans” initiative, it is henceforth known as Kilo Kake.

131 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:50:55am

re: #104 debutaunt

The cake is empty inside!

Hey where are all the candles? WTF you say baker, global warming?

132 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:51:02am

sing it, Charles!

133 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.


Those attacks against you would stop if you were working with Rather
/

134 Truth Stick  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:00am

whenever I see someone who has taken off their rose colored glasses, and see the 0 for what he actually is, all I can picture is someone with half a brain going off tangent like Denny Greene did…”he is who we thought he was…he is who we thought he was”.

135 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

And you can wear that badge proudly!

136 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:30am

On topic, I have always wondered if some of the more outrageous stories that discredit the conservative blogosphere, (“love child of Malcolm X rubbish”) originated as plants set up by David Axelrod.

137 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:35am

re: #110 Leonidas Hoplite

Probably to something important like finally determining if Pluto is a planet.

Yeah talk about waste, it’s already been decided it’s not.

138 GoIllini  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:56am

In the technology world there is talk of the Steve Job’s reality distortion field. In running Apple Computer, Jobs would let facts be damned and the people around him (his underlings and the people who heard him speak) would agree with whatever Jobs said (“Gee, $5000 is a good price to pay for the Lisa”—well, not everyone bought that one).

Obama also has his own reality distortion field that his underlings and listeners fall prey to (“Gee, spending $787 billion dollars for this bill is a great idea.”)

While useful to have in a corporate CEO, in a politician a reality distortion field is right down scary. Hopefully more people, more moderates, will see Obama’s reality distortion field for what is.

139 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:57am

You know, I always though Mel brooks was funnier than this …oh…wait…wrong Mr. Brooks.

140 calvin coolidge  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:52:58am

In a way, I too was fooled like David Brooks. I thought Barack was a dangerous far left extremist with a heavy Socialist agenda and that he followed Karl Marx ideals. I didn’t realize he was so far left that he’s in another solar system. Hell, I don’t think even Karl Marx could tank the country as fast as 44 has. He is making ultra-liberals look like moderates.
Heaven help us.

141 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:05am

the “right” must stop sabotaging itself.


NOW.

142 jamgarr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:07am

re: #129 smokefire

…….the French, good battle rep. I am not talking about the Union troops during the Civil War. FYI, one unit of Zoaves was from FDNY, before they were FDNY [Fire Dept New York]

Oh btw, check out new avatar.


Nice. I will never forget standing in front of the plaque at the FDNY station nearest to Ground Zero.

143 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

well then you should get a little merit badge!

144 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:37am

re: #121 Bloodnok

It smacks of Jindal’s anti-science attitude. I hope I am wrong about that. I may not like the guy much but it’s never good to see another R go anti-science.

Being against taxpayer funded science research does not make one anti-science

145 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:43am

re: #47 Afrocity

OT, I just wanted to say Happy Birthday to the city of Chicago
on today March 4th its 172nd birthday!

Oh damn, and I forgot to get a prssie…But what to get for a city that has everything? Corruption, The Chicago Machine…?


/S

146 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:45am

re: #124 avanti

Hannity played a clip from the audiobook version of Obama’s memoir in which Obama says, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need.” However, the clip is taken from a passage in which Obama is quoting from a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Um… I’m aware that Obama didn’t invent the phrase (I’ve seen it on DC asshole protester signs for years), but that’s not the point. Was he quoting it with approval in his memoir?

147 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:53:45am

re: #136 lifeofthemind

On topic, I have always wondered if some of the more outrageous stories that discredit the conservative blogosphere, (“love child of Malcolm X rubbish”) originated as plants set up by David Axelrod.

That SOB is more evil than the lefties think Karl Rove ever was.

148 subsailor68  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #105 DistantThunder

Bumpersticker

Obama Tortures Taxpayers

Gitmo - Obama’s New Tax Plan

149 tigger2005  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:18am

I think if any of the actual dirt on Obama had stuck to him, the right-wingers wouldn’t have gotten so desperate to find something, anything, that would give people pause. But the media so thoroughly white-washed him and so effectively swept all the dirt under the rug that nothing, whether factual or fantasiacal, made the slightest impression on those like Brooks who had drunk the Kool-Aid.

150 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #123 joncelli

When 0bama does one thing right, or has things break right for him, Brooks will settle his little head back in 0bama’s lap where it belongs.

151 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #15 lawhawk

Wow, quite a rant.

152 Gella  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:59am

“Barack Obama is not who we thought he was.” this sounds offly familiar to me

153 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:21am

Oh God Rush Limbaugh has this total dick on the phone.

154 kynna  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:32am

But, ya know, the MSM does all the good reporting. //

If they’d reported half the stuff I learned here, 0bama wouldn’t have been nominated. And it’s a very sad day in America when I wish Hillary Clinton was sitting in the Oval Office. (‘cuz John McCain wasn’t going to beat anybody, IMO)

155 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:33am

re: #137 turn

Yeah talk about waste, it’s already been decided it’s not.

Exactly.

156 Viking6  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #117 opinionated

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

157 smokefire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:45am

re: #133 ThinkRight

Those attacks against you would stop if you were working with Rather
/

Dan [hanging on lamp post during hurricane] Rather.
He is SO OVER.

158 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:49am

re: #111 Afrocity

We have Pound Cake (cracks knuckles)

Anyway, you don’t scare me. I can take down your whole city with one cow and a kerosene lamp.

159 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #124 avanti

“Misrepresenting Obama’s audiobook, Hannity claimed Obama said, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need”

Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama had “openly complained about ‘white folks’ greed.’ ” Hannity played a clip from the audiobook version of Obama’s memoir in which Obama says, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need.” However, the clip is taken from a passage in which Obama is quoting from a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In fact, Hannity himself acknowledged as much on Hannity & Colmes in March, saying, “Even the ‘Audacity of Hope’ speech or sermon had, you know, ‘white greed’ in there.”

avanti, he attended Wright’s church for 20 years. He would not have done so if he had not agreed with Wright. You are acting like a troll here, spewing DNC talking points.

160 XMarine  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:55:57am

re: #117 opinionated

DING!

161 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:56:16am

And despite the fact that Obama has talked the stock markets into the tank, polls keep finding Obama with positive approval ratings generally and specifically on the economy. I don’t get the disconnect, but it must have to do with the fact that he’s constantly getting screen time to claim that he’s doing something with the porkfest stimulus package and other massive spending to save the economy… or something.

Never mind that the CBO doesn’t expect the porkfest to have an immediate effect, and would have a long term detrimental effect, what exactly is the rest of the American public seeing that we aren’t? It’s the answer to this that will be instrumental in figuring out Obama’s Achilles heel and battling back.

162 ziggyelman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:56:18am

.. The only thing more scary than Obama’s experiment is the thought that it might fail and the political power will swing over to a Republican Party that is currently unfit to wield it.

The column seemed fairly sane til I saw this crap(I see it was mentioned above as well)
Oh shudder, that really is a scary thought, isn’t it? He’s still a democrat, a liberal one. Just not as far left as Obama….

163 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:56:21am

re: #153 Afrocity

Oh God Rush Limbaugh has this total dick on the phone.


LOL
Did Biden call in?

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:56:38am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

There’s cake?

165 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:56:53am

Mr. Teleprompter is going to destroy the middle class.

all under the Neo-Marxist “rich people are evil” banner.
(this is what appeals to the unintellectual youth)

166 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:02am

Hey, David? When a man tells you who he is, believe him. Those red flags were waving, David. Instead of paying attention to them, you remarked on how pretty they looked.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:35am

re: #124 avanti

O had repeatedly said he never heard anything Wright said to have even the remotest possibility of class warfare or racism in it. Yet he quoted an inflammatory sermon by the man. More lies from the master liar.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:39am

re: #153 Afrocity

You feelin’ better? You are such an important part of Lizardia now that you are sorely missed when you are not here.

169 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:39am

re: #54 brookly red

“Act surprised and then slowly move toward the cake.”
- Homer Simpson

170 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #156 Viking6

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

Maybe. But maybe it’s really just a values-thing. Smart people with good values are good people; smart people with poor values are schmucks.

171 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:48am

re: #166 MandyManners

Hey, David? When a man tells you who he is, believe him. Those red flags were waving, David. Instead of paying attention to them, you remarked on how pretty they looked.

ooo…pretty red flags…

172 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:50am

re: #107 Occasional Reader

I’m not familiar with Chinese dishes, but is that anything like General Tsange’s Chicken?

Closer to Mugabe pie.

173 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:57:55am

re: #47 Afrocity

OT, I just wanted to say Happy Birthday to the city of Chicago
on today March 4th its 172nd birthday!

Hey, how are you feeling? I heard you were under the weather.

174 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #158 Occasional Reader

Anyway, you don’t scare me. I can take down your whole city with one cow and a kerosene lamp.

And I can take out your ball team with one goat and an old man with a grudge.

175 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:02am

David Brooks owes us all an apology for being a media leader that led many in the wrong direction due to his myopia, and skin color lust.

176 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:02am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

avanti, he attended Wright’s church for 20 years. He would not have done so if he had not agreed with Wright. You are acting like a troll here, spewing DNC talking points.

and claiming ‘false assertions’…he just woke up this past year

177 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:14am

re: #153 Afrocity

Oh God Rush Limbaugh has this total dick on the phone.

He does attract a choice bunch at times.

178 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #144 Leonidas Hoplite

Being against taxpayer funded science research does not make one anti-science

But trying to sneak creationism into science classes does make you anti-science, and Jindal has done that.

179 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:27am
180 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:46am

re: #126 Charles

I wasn’t aware of either. Sorry.

181 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #144 Leonidas Hoplite

Being against taxpayer funded science research does not make one anti-science

Are you against NASA? Just wondering. Federally funded y’know. Lots of science is federally funded and should be federally funded. I didn’t mean to turn this into a science thread so we can discuss this another time. You can have the last word.

182 debutaunt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #156 Viking6

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

Exactly. I know a person who is evil, defined by the way he treats women and children. You have to stand up to him, but the alphabet people believe that they know how to deal with him - they don’t.

183 ThinkRight  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:01am

re: #157 smokefire

Dan [hanging on lamp post during hurricane] Rather.
He is SO OVER.


Help Wanted: Dan Rather Seeks New Correspondents

It is a joke ?
/?

184 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:04am

re: #171 Ford_Prefect

ooo…pretty red flags…

With hammers and sickles on them.

185 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There’s cake?

hollow, icing-less cake… get a rope!

186 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:29am

re: #171 Ford_Prefect

ooo…pretty red flags

If we’re talking about Obama wouldn’t white flags be more appropriate?

187 doppelganglander  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:47am

re: #124 avanti

“Misrepresenting Obama’s audiobook, Hannity claimed Obama said, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need”

Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama had “openly complained about ‘white folks’ greed.’ ” Hannity played a clip from the audiobook version of Obama’s memoir in which Obama says, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need.” However, the clip is taken from a passage in which Obama is quoting from a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In fact, Hannity himself acknowledged as much on Hannity & Colmes in March, saying, “Even the ‘Audacity of Hope’ speech or sermon had, you know, ‘white greed’ in there.”

And he quotes it approvingly. You fail.

188 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #174 Afrocity

And I can take out your ball team with one goat and an old man with a grudge.

zing!

189 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:59:53am

re: #174 Afrocity

And I can take out your ball team with one goat and an old man with a grudge.

Now that I would pay good money to watch! ;)

Morning, beautiful lady. :)

{Afrocity}

190 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:06am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

avanti, he attended Wright’s church for 20 years. He would not have done so if he had not agreed with Wright. You are acting like a troll here, spewing DNC talking points.

When Wright was exposed to the public as a racist, and a demagogue, obama said: “I don’t think my pastor is that different from other pastors.” Jeez.

191 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:11am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

But trying to sneak creationism into science classes does make you anti-science, and Jindal has done that.

I’m not defending Jindal.

192 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:14am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

Wow, that’s not good. Thanks for edumacating us.

193 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #161 lawhawk

I keep thinking these ratings must be from the folks on the low end of the pay scale that really believe they are going to get something for nothing.

194 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #174 Afrocity

And I can take out your ball team with one goat and an old man with a grudge.

“Cheezborger! Cheezborger!
No fries, cheeps! No Pepsi, Coke!”?

195 debutaunt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:37am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There’s cake?

Carrot cake for you, beefcake for me.

196 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:40am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks FBV. Unfortunately not. I am home today in bed. what ever virus I have , it is EVIL. I actually was going to a Chicago b-day party for the city but I can make it. It is 60 degrees today too!

197 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:40am

re: #186 soxfan4life

If we’re talking about Obama wouldn’t white flags be more appropriate?

Racist!

/

198 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:42am

re: #174 Afrocity

And I can take out your ball team with one goat and an old man with a grudge.

Speaking of grudges, I grudingly admit, I’m missing the reference…

199 rightside  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:48am

Rush is saying lots of lefties are calling in worried, trying to pick apart his offer to debate the One on the radio for 3 hours. If the messiah is really as intelligent as everyone makes him out to be, he should easily be able to out-debate Rush even with “half his brain tied behind his back”

200 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:50am

re: #161 lawhawk

And despite the fact that Obama has talked the stock markets into the tank, polls keep finding Obama with positive approval ratings generally and specifically on the economy. I don’t get the disconnect, but it must have to do with the fact that he’s constantly getting screen time to claim that he’s doing something with the porkfest stimulus package and other massive spending to save the economy… or something.

Never mind that the CBO doesn’t expect the porkfest to have an immediate effect, and would have a long term detrimental effect, what exactly is the rest of the American public seeing that we aren’t? It’s the answer to this that will be instrumental in figuring out Obama’s Achilles heel and battling back.

yes…excellent point…I suggest hypnosis as it’s been proven effective in the past

201 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:00:56am

re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans

He does attract a choice bunch at times.

The dick was a foaming liberal.

202 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:01:36am

Rush is fighting off some very angry Democrats today.

203 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:01:40am

re: #196 Afrocity

Thanks FBV. Unfortunately not. I am home today in bed. what ever virus I have , it is EVIL.

Republicans are inventing evil viruses all the time that deliberately target black people. Didn’t you know that?

204 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:01:45am

re: #198 Occasional Reader

Speaking of grudges, I grudingly admit, I’m missing the reference…


Ever hear of the “Curse of the Billy Goat,” also known as the Cubs Curse?

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:00am

re: #196 Afrocity

Hope you feel better. Take care of that beautiful gray matter of yours.

206 BLBfootballs  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:08am

I agree that the kooks generally make the water bitter for everyone, but seriously — there was so f****** much data out there about ‘the real’ Barack Obama before the election that I just don’t think the fringes of the righty blogosphere can be assigned responsibility for people not listening.

Not that they helped of course. But the problem is that self-proclaimed “moderates” and self-perceived “intellectuals” like Brooks — a fine man whom I happen to know BTW — simply jumped into the hopey Obama Kool-Aid like everybody else. IMO they were committed to do it no matter what the more extreme opposition said or didn’t say.

There were just boatloads of information presented by the non-kooky right, center-right and center of the blogosphere and conservative journalists and researchers, etc. etc. etc. during the campaign. The majority of Americans voted for Obamavision anyway and so the country is now taking a ride on a fantasy wave. When the wave breaks…. we’re all going to bear the price. Reinhold Niebuhr notwithstanding.

The really important takeaway is the ease with which “intellectuals” bought in to the hypnotic image.

Rightists (and I think increasingly all non-leftists) are going to have to make very strong arguments in spite of the wackos on their fringes. The wackos deserve to be ignored. And if we need to slap them down, we can. It’s a complex challenge — but clearly surmountable. The left has certainly learned how to generate a popularly acceptable message.

Meanwhile conservatives continue to grow increasingly decrepit at communications. And that’s one reason why right-kooky associations endure in the public mind.

207 jjmckay1216  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:26am

Hey AfroCity! How ya feeling today?

208 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:30am

re: #199 rightside

Rush is saying lots of lefties are calling in worried, trying to pick apart his offer to debate the One on the radio for 3 hours. If the messiah is really as intelligent as everyone makes him out to be, he should easily be able to out-debate Rush even with “half his brain tied behind his back”

That’s assuming he has 1/2 a brain. The One without the teleprompter would get ripped to shreds by Rush.

209 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #124 avanti

“Misrepresenting Obama’s audiobook, Hannity claimed Obama said, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need”

Summary: On his radio show, Sean Hannity falsely asserted that Sen. Barack Obama had “openly complained about ‘white folks’ greed.’ ” Hannity played a clip from the audiobook version of Obama’s memoir in which Obama says, “White folks’ greed runs a world in need.” However, the clip is taken from a passage in which Obama is quoting from a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In fact, Hannity himself acknowledged as much on Hannity & Colmes in March, saying, “Even the ‘Audacity of Hope’ speech or sermon had, you know, ‘white greed’ in there.”

Why did Obama quote Rev. Wright?

Did he agree with the Rev. or disagree…

BTW, using Media Matters a (Soros out fit) talking points isn’t smart.

Obama wrote admiringly of that passage, or you’d know that if you read the book….

The pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.
“The painting depicts a harpist,” Revernd Wright explained, “a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountaintop. Untill you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, aprtheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere … That’s the world! On which hope sits.”

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpesville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. …

BTW, Wright’s Liberation theology is rooting in Marxism.

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #201 DistantThunder

The dick was a foaming liberal.

Nothing new about that, really.

211 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:55am

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

Sharp as a cueball, that Brooks.

Did anyone else read this with a Foghorn Leghorn voice?

212 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:02:58am

re: #204 Dustyvet

Ever hear of the “Curse of the Billy Goat,” also known as the Cubs Curse?

Ah. Yes, dimly.

Y’all have to understand, I am almost entirely lacking the Sports Spectator Gene.

213 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:09am
214 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:18am

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

215 quickjustice  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:34am

Brooks, gasping: “Why, that little boy is right! The Emperor has no clothes!”

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:36am

re: #202 kansas

Rush is fighting off some very angry Democrats today.

His “seminar callers” are going to come out of the woodwork now.

His audience probably increased by 20% today. EIB might survive the recession. Just maybe.

217 opinionated  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #156 Viking6

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

By high IQ I really meant the so called intelligentsia and chattering class.

I don’t know what his IQ is, I would imagine he’s alright, but hardly regarded as among the intelligentsia, but among those who’s views got vast exposure, Joe the Plumber articulated the best case against Obama- and was also damn good in the pro Israel arena during the Gaza war- but was routinely dismissed compared to the opinion of those who are now expressing their mia culpa all over.

218 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:46am

re: #194 Dustyvet

“Cheezborger! Cheezborger!
No fries, cheeps! No Pepsi, Coke!”?

Very good reference. Dustyvet is alluding to a famous Chicago restaurant called The Billy Goat Tavern.

219 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:54am

In 1933 a charismatic new leader rose to power and addressed his hopeful nation with these words:

…the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people’s money, and there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency.

Sounds eerily familiar to today doesn’t it?

Who gave that speech?

220 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:57am

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

Odd that they should be so angry after winning so big.

I guess they are trying to offload their overstocked barrels of Bush bile.

Anger is all they know.

221 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:03:59am

re: #198 Occasional Reader

Speaking of grudges, I grudingly admit, I’m missing the reference…

The excuse the North Side team uses to explain why they haven’t gotten a pennant or a World Series appearance since 1945 and a World Series win since 1909.

222 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #181 Bloodnok

Are you against NASA? Just wondering. Federally funded y’know. Lots of science is federally funded and should be federally funded. I didn’t mean to turn this into a science thread so we can discuss this another time. You can have the last word.

Well shucks, ya know, I’m not against NASA per se but against wasteful government spending. As I recall, Hawaii already has significant astronomy assets in place. It also seems to me that much of the important astronomy work is going on in space from satellite platforms. You know, b/c its easier to get a clearer picture of space without that pesky atmosphere in the way.

But hey, it’s just $2 bucks so why not?

223 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:10am

re: #202 kansas

Rush is fighting off some very angry Democrats today.

they have no beef with him…bunch of false outrage, it’s what they do best

224 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:19am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

Can you say Sir NoCanSwim?

225 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:23am

re: #196 Afrocity

Thanks FBV. Unfortunately not. I am home today in bed. what ever virus I have , it is EVIL. I actually was going to a Chicago b-day party for the city but I can make it. It is 60 degrees today too!

Sorry to hear you are still being beaten up by that virus. I know what you are going through, and it is not pleasant.

226 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #156 Viking6

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

I think the problem is simpler and more recent. Until 35 years ago almost every male had some practical experience. Do to the vagaries of chance a certain percentage of high capacity individuals remained in rural settings, enriching the fabric and serving in local leadership. Periodically most males had a military experience, which served as something of a leveler and more importantly gave even future PhDs some practical experience in problem solving as well as a touchstone to share with the general population. Now the children of the professional class are raised in a high achieving hot house and sent to college with at best a tightly supervised Summer Challenge experience under their belts. Diversity in fact excludes the flow of qualified candidates from agricultural and laboring communities in favor of a few groomed category affirmative action specials, like Obama. They often, like Obama are frauds with tenuous connections to the groups whose quota slots they fill.

227 brookly red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:40am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

I think it was the PM… honorary Knight that is.

228 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:41am
229 rightside  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:47am

re: #208 soxfan4life

Heh. Rush said no teleprompters, no cue cards, no notes. Those who truly believe in their principles, don’t need such things.

230 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:04:50am

re: #199 rightside

Rush is saying lots of lefties are calling in worried, trying to pick apart his offer to debate the One on the radio for 3 hours. If the messiah is really as intelligent as everyone makes him out to be, he should easily be able to out-debate Rush even with “half his brain tied behind his back”

Rush is flogging a dead horse. 44 has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he goes on Rush’s show. Will never happen. Find another angle Rush.

231 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

No, this part really happened. (Those orange bears dancing on your chest? That’s the Dayquil.)

I have to say, I think if I were offered a “knighthood”, I’d decline. No offense intended to the Brits, but I just see it as a very un-American thing to do.

232 debutaunt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:14am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

Sir Swimmer.

233 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:16am

re: #212 Occasional Reader

Ah. Yes, dimly.

Y’all have to understand, I am almost entirely lacking the Sports Spectator Gene.

Curse of the Billy Goat


The Curse of the Billy Goat refers to a superstition commonly cited to explain why the Chicago Cubs Major League Baseball team has not been to the World Series since 1945.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

234 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #198 Occasional Reader

Speaking of grudges, I grudingly admit, I’m missing the reference…

A first for me, OR misses a reference. Oh, and when you find out we’ll both know.

235 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:38am

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

No biggie. Lots of people here have considered him pretty benighted for a while now.

and besotted as well

236 doppelganglander  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #199 rightside

Rush is saying lots of lefties are calling in worried, trying to pick apart his offer to debate the One on the radio for 3 hours. If the messiah is really as intelligent as everyone makes him out to be, he should easily be able to out-debate Rush even with “half his brain tied behind his back”

Obama would never take up the offer because Rush would absolutely destroy him. Hell, my ex-high school debater daughter could destroy him.

237 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:12am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Rush is flogging a dead horse. 44 has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he goes on Rush’s show. Will never happen. Find another angle Rush.

Got no affirmative action section on Rush’s show?

238 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:20am

Welcome to reality Mr. Brooks… I guess this news is just reaching the offices of the Times.

239 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:22am

re: #233 Dustyvet

It’s their all-purpose excuse for fielding a crappy ball team year after year.

240 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:25am

re: #182 debutaunt

The alphabet soup means that they can be fluent in their specialty. Generalists are very hard to find. I know one guy from MIT who is famous in the topic of Lie Groups. As a person however, he is clueless. I got some letters after my name and my IQ has been clocked as above normal. But unless and and until you put that IQ to work on generalized problem solving, it means little outside your field of study. I also know a batch of people that are fact sponges. The can soak up and remember what you tell them. They cannot apply it to anything. Its kind of like telling them that 2 goats and 2 goats makes 4 goats. They then cannot tell you how many cows you have when you have 2 cows and 2 cows. They usually do not make it to PhD in science and engineering, but the social “sciences” are a different matter.

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:26am

re: #229 rightside

Heh. Rush said no teleprompters, no cue cards, no notes. Those who truly believe in their principles, don’t need such things.

No earpiece?

242 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:37am
243 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:38am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Rush is flogging a dead horse. 44 has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he goes on Rush’s show. Will never happen. Find another angle Rush.

Remember all the preconditions he had to have to go on O’Reilly’s show?

244 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #219 Kenneth

Hitler?

245 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:08am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

I dub thee…..
Sir Swimmer!

246 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:12am

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #207 jjmckay1216

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

You guys are great and have made my day. Not one of my “liberal” friends asked how I was.

247 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:18am

re: #243 soxfan4life

Remember all the preconditions he had to have to go on O’Reilly’s show?

Yeah, and O’Reilly was in Obama kiss ass mode.

248 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

172 years for Chicago? When does the Statute of Limitations kick in?

England? Isn’t that the country where any boy can grow up to be Queen?

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No earpiece?

If he had one, he’d probably start to debate with a Hungarian accent.

/get it?!

250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

All too serious.

251 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Rush is flogging a dead horse. 44 has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he goes on Rush’s show. Will never happen. Find another angle Rush.

then he should shut up and quit referring to Hannity and Talk Radio etc….

252 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:46am

re: #199 rightside

Rush is saying lots of lefties are calling in worried, trying to pick apart his offer to debate the One on the radio for 3 hours. If the messiah is really as intelligent as everyone makes him out to be, he should easily be able to out-debate Rush even with “half his brain tied behind his back”

That is great, Rush is taunting them. I knew this was all part of a strategy. And talk about backfiring, all the lefties are listening to him now.

253 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:54am

re: #247 kansas

Yeah, and O’Reilly was in Obama kiss ass mode.

I think that was one of his preconditions.

254 FloridaAnole  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:07:54am

David Brooks is only useful as the NYT’s idea of a civilized “conservative”. P. Noonan appears to have settled into the same role for the WSJ, although she is more into the purple prose, whereas Brooks is more in the stuffy, pipe-smoking mode.

255 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:08:08am

re: #246 Afrocity

re: #207 jjmckay1216

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

You guys are great and have made my day. Not one of my “liberal” friends asked how I was.

Probably because this is one thing of ours that they do not want.

256 Catttt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:08:25am

re: #88 JohnAdams

Interesting…I have not yet seen an anti-Obama sticker on a car or a t-shirt, but I’m willing to bet I’ll see one within a month or so.

I actually posted one a while back on Cafe Press. I don’t want to link it, because that would be like an ad, but the message is “Question Othority” - and the O is the Obama glyph thing he used in the election.

I don’t know if I’ve sold anything - never check. I’ll have to do that, as soon as I remember to look for the password. :D

257 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:08:26am

re: #244 bolivar

Hitler?

Good guess, but no. It was FDR.

258 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #214 Afrocity

The Queen of England made Sen. Edward Kennedy a Knight? WTF?
Okay I must have taken too much Dayquil.
Is this serious?

None shall pass (Kennedy is the one in black)

259 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

Probably because this is one thing of ours that they do not want.

ours=yours

Pimf

260 albusteve  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I don’t have time to whip up “Benighted, Besotted and Bewildered” right now, more’s the pity.

then we all lose in some small way…go off and earn a living while we mope

261 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #234 turn

A first for me, OR misses a reference.

You know those stories from the Battle of the Bulge, in which American sentries would challenge those approaching their lines by quizzing them about sports trivia? I’d have had to basically say, “ah, might as well go ahead and shoot me, ich bin Berliner, whatever…”

262 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:14am

re: #209 jcm

So Hope means that we will all look like that harpist? “Untill you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string.”

263 kansas  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:29am

Rush calling him out. High Noon baby.

264 ziggyelman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:35am

re: #202 kansas

Rush is fighting off some very angry Democrats today.

Since I couldn’t get to sleep, I came out to hear just 2… Rush is right, Obama’s legions are scared!

265 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:09:45am

re: #257 Kenneth

Good guess, but no. It was FDR.

You mean the messiah’s mentor and guy to emulate?

266 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:10:11am

re: #245 jcm

How can anybody take the Bwitish Royalty seriously these days with Pwince (up)Chuck in it?

267 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:10:14am

re: #246 Afrocity

You guys are great and have made my day. Not one of my “liberal” friends asked how I was.

You are more than welcome. Now here’s to hoping you get well real soon. :)

268 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:11:35am

re: #256 Catttt

but the message is “Question Othority” - and the O is the Obama glyph thing

That is frickkin’ brilliant.

269 Viking6  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #170 Golem Akbar

I guess my comments were more directed to how people with allegedly higher IQs are perceived by the MFM and how this translates to the communication of thoughts and ideas to the general public. I really don’t think Biden is the “smartest” man in the room with an IQ of over 140 plus but you wouldn’t know it by the presentation of his thoughts by the MFM. This practice of fawning over an individual because they have a very advance degree or a stated IQ that is considerably over normal, as I see it, is why the values in this country are being subverted particularly where young impressionable people are involved.

270 turn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Ha, I would be shot for sure.

271 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #265 bolivar

You mean the messiah’s mentor and guy to emulate?

Is that this weeks choice? Wasn’t it Lincoln he was trying to emulate? And then his quasi State of the Union was “Reaganesque”. What the loons faiol to see is with his background in corruption, Harding and McKinley will be better models.

272 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:28am

re: #262 Shr_Nfr

So Hope means that we will all look like that harpist? “Untill you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string.”

The goal of the Marxist…. equality in misery.

273 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:32am

Brooks accepted Obama as OK because he was connected to University of Chicago (Brooks is an alumnus.) The fact that BHO and spouse is not an alumnus as were inserted by the Trustees and compliant Deans (Geoffrey Stone at The Law School and John Boyer at The College) escaped him, or he was doing them a favor.

274 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:34am
275 XMarine  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:35am

I remember the trots (expletive for trotskyite) had a slogan, “Make the rich pay,” said with the proper whine. When hearing it, I would thank all that is good in this Universe that idiots like those would never attain any political power. Now I am finding out just how bad it can be …

Any outcome, no matter how outlandish, can come to pass given enough clueless voters and a mass media that is totally void of even a shred of integrity.

276 daledog  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:37am

re: #256 Catttt

Very clever.

277 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:13:43am

re: #265 bolivar

You mean the messiah’s mentor and guy to emulate?

Yes, there’s more, too:

It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.

I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.

But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.

So the question arises: Is Obama talking down the market, and kicking down the economy with his disastrous stimulus bill, so that a national emergency of sufficient proportions shall emerge which will “obligate” him to asking Congress for “broad Executive power”? And will the Democratic controlled Congress will give to him?

278 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #258 Ford_Prefect

Ya know - they say we should not speak ill of those who are sick or have fallen on hard times but dammit I cannot say a nice thing about the swimmer. He doesn’t deserve anything that has been handed to him ever since that murderous incident. There were a lot of jokes about it at the time and since but, the plain and simple truth is he should have at least gone to jail for negligent homicide and got nothing -NOTHING!

Teddy, if you make it to hell (cuz you are not worthy of heaven) say hi to your buddies - you know Fidel (on his last legs) and Saddam and maybe even Nikita.

279 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:14:18am

re: #196 Afrocity

Thanks FBV. Unfortunately not. I am home today in bed. what ever virus I have , it is EVIL. I actually was going to a Chicago b-day party for the city but I can make it. It is 60 degrees today too!

60 degrees - I hope thats ouside you, not inside you!

Viruses are evil - stay in bed, and do have a long rest, don’t rush out too early, you’ll only get a relapse!
Thats the advice from yer Welsh granny!

{Afrocity}

280 subsailor68  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:14:33am

For Immediate Release:

“The palace announced today that Mr. Kennedy will not only be knighted, but dubbed a Lord of the Realm. He shall thereafter be known as Lord Edward of Oldsmobile, and will take his rightful place as a member of the House of Turds.”

(When contacted, the palace spokesman said, ‘no, there aren’t any typos in the release. Why do you ask?”)

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:14:39am

re: #277 Kenneth

So the question arises: Is Obama talking down the market, and kicking down the economy with his disastrous stimulus bill, so that a national emergency of sufficient proportions shall emerge which will “obligate” him to asking Congress for “broad Executive power”? And will the Democratic controlled Congress will give to him?

Yes, and yes.

282 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:14:54am

” Obama’s spending our children inheritance”

283 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #266 Shr_Nfr

The Queen’s annual honours list is written up by the government of the day. Betty simply reads the list and does the ceremony. Gordon Brown is sucking up to the Democrats.

284 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:18am

Rush basically saying that this is a opportunity once and for all for the Liberals to show up and debate back and forth on behalf of Fariness…

Rush can be a pompous ass but this is brilliant!

285 azul93gt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:22am

Sorry I can’t let the ‘moderates’ off the hook. There will always be kooks. Look at all of the kooks that attacked Bush non-stop for +8 years. You’d have to be willfully blind not to see that BO would be the most aggressively leftist Prez ever.

286 Viking6  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:27am

re: #217 opinionated

I am with your thinking on this 100%. It is just my view that most intelligensia are considered to be in the “high” IQ range and they use that to leverage it to their advantage. Love to continue but have to split for work.

287 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:34am

(crawling upstairs to new thread)

288 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Rush is flogging a dead horse. 44 has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he goes on Rush’s show. Will never happen. Find another angle Rush.

Rush knows that obama would never consider it, but Rush is calling their bluff. Now he’s forcing the administration to respond. Rush is calling Obama a coward by being afraid to debate him.

289 SFGoth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:38am

Brooks, shut the fuck up. You’re a loser. Go play with some yarn.

290 SpartanWoman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:45am

Part of Brooks will always be a liberal Canadian. Also I wonder if he. like Frum, is married to some lib-chick.

291 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:48am
292 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:52am

re: #283 Kenneth

Even after Brown was dissed by the Obama yesterday…

293 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:52am

re: #279 yma o hyd

60 degrees - I hope thats ouside you, not inside you!

Viruses are evil - stay in bed, and do have a long rest, don’t rush out too early, you’ll only get a relapse!
Thats the advice from yer Welsh granny!

{Afrocity}

Yet nobody seems to care that I am suffering something similar.

*POUT* ;)

294 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:15:58am

re: #281 FurryOldGuyJeans

That’s what I fear too.

295 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:16:07am

re: #196 Afrocity

Thanks FBV. Unfortunately not. I am home today in bed. what ever virus I have , it is EVIL. I actually was going to a Chicago b-day party for the city but I can make it. It is 60 degrees today too!

Ohhh, take care of yourself! Liquids, rest, some gammy troll buttocks for nutrition!

GET WELL!

296 XMarine  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #156 Viking6

I agree with you. Particularly the High IQ. Just because you have a 130 plus IQ does not make you smarter than some one with an IQ in the average range. People assume that because you have either a high IQ or a range of alphabet letters behind your name, ie PhD, JD etc.. that you are “smarter” than the average person. I believe that individuals that have high IQ’s generally have a more difficult time in dealing with everyday tasks because they can have a difficult time in coming to a resolution of issues as they want to examine each and every possible outcome before making a decision. That is why, IMHO, that really smart people have such a difficult time in recognizing and dealing with such things as Evil when faced with it.

Ever hear of Paul Erdos? A good example.

297 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #124 avanti

Ask yourself why he attended an anti American bigoted church for 20 frakking years, then get back to me as to why you think he included Wright’s quote in the book.

298 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #288 DistantThunder

Could work!
Obama is a legend in his own mind!

299 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #287 Afrocity

(crawling upstairs to new thread)

Oh, thread… I thought you said “bed”.

300 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:17:22am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

The U of C alumni mag had a glowing piece on Obama, asking “how University of Chicago is he?” shortly before the election. The conclusion, of course, was something like “sufficiently so that we should all feel the leg tingle.”

Yes, I enjoy receiving it and the innumerable begging letters because I think of the postage it makes them blow.

301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:18:16am

re: #297 vagabond trader

Ask yourself why he attended an anti American bigoted church for 20 frakking years, then get back to me as to why you think he included Wright’s quote in the book.

That would mean questioning the Messiah-King. He won’t ever even considering doing that. He has more than enough talking points memos to calm him down and boost him up.

302 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet nobody seems to care that I am suffering something similar.

*POUT* ;)

{furry}

303 doppelganglander  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:19:39am

re: #277 Kenneth

So the question arises: Is Obama talking down the market, and kicking down the economy with his disastrous stimulus bill, so that a national emergency of sufficient proportions shall emerge which will “obligate” him to asking Congress for “broad Executive power”? And will the Democratic controlled Congress will give to him?

What the hell? Basically, he’s stating he will demand a vote for martial law if the economy gets bad enough. Frankly, I’m surprised he’s willing to wait for a vote.

Before the election, I would have thoughts of him pulling a stunt like this, suspending elections and seizing power. I kept talking myself down, saying, “No, this is America, that is just not going to happen.” Clearly I was too much of an optimist.

304 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:20:06am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

The U of C alumni mag had a glowing piece on Obama, asking “how University of Chicago is he?” shortly before the election. The conclusion, of course, was something like “sufficiently so that we should all feel the leg tingle.”

They are trying to get his presidential library on campus. I think their leg is tingling

305 fish  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:20:56am

This reminds me of Socrates supposed last words: “I Drank WHAT!?”

Congrats to David Brooks for noticing that Obama is EVERYTHING he SAID he was. He is governing EXACTLY as he promised he would during the campaign. All the fools who said “He is running to the left to appease his base but will surely govern from the center” were WRONG.

They say that in a democracy you get the leaders you deserve. Well, sad as it is; maybe we deserve Obama. Much like my children sometimes deserve to be grounded. Obama is our punishment for thinking that we no longer have to fight for principles, no longer have to oppose those who would ruin our culture and way of life. He is punishment for assuming that those around us will see the light on their own. Well, lesson learned for me. No longer will I smile and nod as a moonbat drones on, I will challenge the statements, confront the ideas and make my voice heard. It is time to stand up and be counted. We cannot just wait for ‘10. We need to get out there and spread the message now, Call your representatives, Call your Families, Call your neighbors Find a candidate to support in ‘10 and get behind them NOW. If you can’t find a candidate RUN yourself.

2010 is our first chance to turn the tide of socialism and leftist idealogy that is being forced upon us. But 2010 wont happen unless we start today.

306 redstateredneck  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:21:19am

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet nobody seems to care that I am suffering something similar.

*POUT* ;)


Oh, suck it up and be a man.

/jk!

Feel better!

307 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:21:44am

re: #301 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know, just cannot repeat that simple truth too often, imo. It was quite enough for me to feel nothing but contempt for The Obama and Co.

308 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:21:49am

Anybody surprised by the president who is BH Obama is clueless and then some. He TOLD us exactly who he is time after time during the campaign. Pity less than 50% of us were listening.

309 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:22:07am
310 debutaunt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet nobody seems to care that I am suffering something similar.

*POUT* ;)

I worry about you - have a drink or something.

311 FloridaAnole  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:22:32am

re: #285 azul93gt

Sorry I can’t let the ‘moderates’ off the hook. There will always be kooks. Look at all of the kooks that attacked Bush non-stop for +8 years. You’d have to be willfully blind not to see that BO would be the most aggressively leftist Prez ever.

Which touches on another thing, how come everbody (including moderates and conservatives) grants respectability to their kooks, but “our” kooks are the occasion for nationwide meltdown instead of just a wry grin and a shake of the head?

312 Caboose  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:23:16am

Perhaps if Mr. Brooks and others of his ilk hadn’t had their lips so tightly planted on the Chosen Ones’ muscular tan posterior for the entire campaign, they might have gotten a slightly different view of their Messiah. They just must have been mesmerized by the “Hope” and “Change” woven into the elastic band of The One’s briefs to take notice of anything else…

313 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:23:22am

re: #297 vagabond trader

Ask yourself why he attended an anti American bigoted church for 20 frakking years, then get back to me as to why you think he included Wright’s quote in the book.

Avanti….

Obama joined the church when it espoused the Black Value System.

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

That was on the TUCC web site until it became a problem for Obama.

314 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #303 doppelganglander

The quote was from FDR’s 1933 inaugural speech. FDR announced that if Congress did not take the measures he asked for, he would ask them for “broad executive powers” to act as in an emergency. I am wondering if Obama would do the same, if or when the economy gets much worse.

315 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:23:49am

I just got home and turned on Rush Limbaugh. He just called someone a “butt-boy”. I take it that the show has been entertaining.

316 tommylotto  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:24:58am
the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks, enthusiastically and relentlessly promoting stories like the birth certificate nonsense

Which is exactly what this site is doing with regard to the Obama qualification lawsuits. The theory that Obama faked his birth certificate and was born in Kenya is probably a stretch (but I would al least afford them the right to conduct discovery before dismissing it). However, those lawsuits also contain the very legitimate and meritorious legal question of whether a person born a dual citizen with dual loyalties is considered not just a citizen at birth, but a “natural born citizen” as that term of art is used in the Constitutional POTUS qualification. That question has never been adequately addressed by the Court.

Just like the fringe theories about Obama allowed the unwary to dismiss the real concerns about his ideology, the conspiracy theorists have discredited the real concerns about Obama’s potential qualification.

317 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:25:33am

August 2008: Yes We Can!

November 2008: Yes We Did!

March 2009: What the hell were we thinking?

318 avanti  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #75 Bloodnok

I noticed this little quote from McCain in that article -I’m disappointed to read it.

$2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii, as McCain twittered, “because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy.”

Here’s more on it.Link

319 CommonCents  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:26:18am

re: #68 Last Mohican

What utter, stinking bullshit. Once again, the DNC is treating the entire mainstream media like a product placement movie. “Hello, New York Times? This is the DNC calling. We’d like you to make sure you print Rush Limbaugh’s name any time you mention the Republican Party. Great. Thanks. Bye.”

So that what moderates fear? The choice between a “bold, progressive liberal of conviction” and a Republican Party that’s “unfit to wield power?”

No, what moderates fear is having a president who is a lifelong member of a racist hate group, who endorses a terrorist murderer that wanted to kill 25 million innocent Americans, and who seeks to dump the entire American economy into a morass of unlimited spending without any rhyme, reason, debate, or explanation. That is what moderates fear, you moron.

[ahem, please pardon my belligerence. didn’t have my coffee today.]

Sorry, I updinged your post. In retrospect I can’t claim to know what moderates think because I am a member of the VRWC. I’m going to go ahead and leave the ding there just cuz.

320 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:26:44am
321 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:28:02am

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet nobody seems to care that I am suffering something similar.

*POUT* ;)

Oooohhhh!
{FurryOldGuyJeans}
You stay in bed as well, you hear!

Can’t have Lizards keeling over, now can we!

322 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:29:08am
323 CommonCents  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #318 avanti

Here’s more on it.Link

I take offense at the linked story. John McCain no more speaks for all Republicans as the story implies than does Rush Limbaugh. Not all Republicans are anti-science.

324 doppelganglander  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #314 Kenneth

The quote was from FDR’s 1933 inaugural speech. FDR announced that if Congress did not take the measures he asked for, he would ask them for “broad executive powers” to act as in an emergency. I am wondering if Obama would do the same, if or when the economy gets much worse.

That only calms me down slightly. I think he would do exactly the same. I know I’m wearing the tinfoil hat here, but he very well may be deliberately tanking the economy so he can do exactly that. It’s not enough just to take advantage of the crisis; he’s making it worse. I think it’s all part of the plot to create a permanent Democrat majority. Exhibit A: trying to seize control of the census, putting ACORN in charge, to be followed by gerrymandering like you’ve never seen.

325 ziggyelman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #318 avanti

Here’s more on it.Link

I Think the reason stuff like this is brought up is because it’s not part of the regular budget, but the stimulus package which was, you know, supposed to stimulate the economy.

326 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:34:19am

re: #318 avanti

I’m going to take a wild guess that over the years, McCain has voted for more than $2 million dollars for Kitt Peak National Observatory in Arizona.

Sounds like McCain is just being a short sighted political opportunist. Again.

327 ziggyelman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:35:13am

re: #323 CommonCents

I take offense at the linked story. John McCain no more speaks for all Republicans as the story implies than does Rush Limbaugh. Not all Republicans are anti-science.

Through Cosmic Variance I found out John McCain has a Twitter feed. That’s pretty amazing for a guy who doesn’t understand computers or even use email, but hey, everyone’s capable of change.
Well, the dope who wrote this blog doesn’t know jack shit about McCain…might want to look up his facts…

328 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #324 doppelganglander

That is my thinking too. I’m keeping my tinfoil hat at the ready.

329 Outrider  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:37:45am
…Those of us who consider ourselves moderates — moderate-conservative, in my case …

How can he possibly consider himself a moderate conservative when he bought off on Obamas campaign pledges?

Alright, so the warnings about Obamas moral shortcomings and political flaws were droned out in the din created by the nut jobs; this does nothing to alter the facts the campaign pledges from the mans mouth were still far to the left. How in the hell could a conservative ever rationalize considering the proposals put forth by candidate Obama?

The writer can only be considered a moderate conservative when taken in context with his his fellow writers on the NY Times.

330 SFGoth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:39:07am

re: #317 Kenneth

August 2008: Yes We Can!

November 2008: Yes We Did!

March 2009: What the hell were we thinking?

August 2008: Si’ se puede!

November 2008: Si se podista! (my past tense Spanish is rusty)

March 2009: Shit!

331 looking closely  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:39:39am
One unfortunate factor that exacerbated the tendency to dismiss all critics of Barack Obama as kooks: the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks, enthusiastically and relentlessly promoting stories like the birth certificate nonsense, the “Michelle Obama ‘whitey’ tape,” the “Obama is the love child of Malcolm X” rubbish, and countless other insane and/or stupid smears.

Well, none of that helped, but realistically, this wasn’t a major factor. Conservative bloggers yelling crackpot theories in their own echo chamber don’t change anything.

So far as I know, none of the smears you mentioned got any kind of mainstream coverage, with the possible exception of the ‘Whitey’ tape thing, which effectively fizzled instantly.

The biggest factor in the lack of awareness of Obama’s Marxist history and tendencies, was pretty clearly, the absolute refusal of the mainstream media to touch them. They chose their “favorite” early on, never really reported any real dirt on him (eg Rezko, Ayers, etc), and let him get away with vague platitudes throughout the campaign.

Arguably, had the mainstream media not embargoed the John Edwards sexual affair scandal until the last possible second, much of his support would have gone to Hilary Clinton, and in the fairly evenly divided Dem primary process, she might have won the nomination.

332 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:40:01am
333 ziggyelman  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #329 Outrider

How can he possibly consider himself a moderate conservative when he bought off on Obamas campaign pledges?

Alright, so the warnings about Obamas moral shortcomings and political flaws were droned out in the din created by the nut jobs; this does nothing to alter the facts the campaign pledges from the mans mouth were still far to the left. How in the hell could a conservative ever rationalize considering the proposals put forth by candidate Obama?

The writer can only be considered a moderate conservative when taken in context with his his fellow writers on the NY Times.

Yeah, a moderate conservative to the NYT is someone that votes for Obama, but doesn’t get a tingle up his leg everytime he speaks.

334 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:41:06am

re: #324 doppelganglander

My thinking as well. No one is going to convince me that this guy and all his cronies are so woefully ignorant and naive.

Check this out.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org…]

335 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:43:09am

re: #334 vagabond trader

My thinking as well. No one is going to convince me that this guy and all his cronies are so woefully ignorant and naive.

Check this out.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org…]

I posted this, this morning….

A year ago a few very liberal democrats proposed taking your 401(k) turning them into Social Security II.

I predict this idea will be proposed again by the Obama administration to “bailout” all the victims of stock market crash within the next 6 weeks.

If this occurs I will also concluded the actions of Obama in his first 6 weeks in office were intentional and planned according to the Cloward Piven Strategy.

Obama was at Columbia University at the same time as Richard A. Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven. Motor Voter, a tool used by ACORN to conduct wide spread vote fraud was the brain child of Cloward and Piven. Cloward and Piven where radical professors and Obama was known to hang radicals at Coumbia. The chances of Obama not being in contact or influence by Cloward and Pivens are IMHO vanishingly small.

Further more George Soros is know to have influenced and profited from economic crashing the Bank of England. The major sell off in our economy just before the election also has his fingerprints. Soros was an early supporter of Obama and substantial contributor.

It appears at this time to this observer that Obama’s actions are intentional. Follow both the pattern of Cloward Piven and Soros.

The final proof to me will be when and if the Administration makes an attempt to socialize private retirement accounts. Between the Stimulus and Omnibus Budget our economic liberties are rapidly being eroded. A major individual remaining bastion of economic liberty is our long term savings and retirement accounts.

It is my opinion this is all is part of a plan. Part of that plan will be to socialize our retirement and pension accounts. Watch for it. I would love to be wrong, and Obama is just a bumbling fool wreaking the economy through incompetence. If a move on retirement accounts and pensions occurs soon any doubts I have will vanish.

336 gonecamping  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:45:01am

Well Mr. Brooks, you have had your head up your Butt so long something is bound to start stinking.

If you had practiced REAL journalism you would have seen through the hype and smoke that Obama blew up your shorts.

I’m not interested in your ‘revelation’, you are probably just trying to ‘save face’ as the HMS Obama starts to founder.

337 looking closely  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:45:15am

re: #316 tommylotto

Just like the fringe theories about Obama allowed the unwary to dismiss the real concerns about his ideology, the conspiracy theorists have discredited the real concerns about Obama’s potential qualification.


Its too late for that. These challenges needed to be litigated at the time Obama STARTED his campaign.

As a matter of political reality, the POTUS isn’t going to be displaced by the SCOTUS now.

Its just not going to happen.

338 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:47:00am

re: #335 jcm

Thanks for the 401 link,I remember some leftist babble about it. Yes, veddy interesting that Cloward and Piven were at Columbia.Rapidlly losing any belief I once had in coincidence.

339 looking closely  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #335 jcm


The final proof to me will be when and if the Administration makes an attempt to socialize private retirement accounts.


Good luck with that one.

He can try it, but any legislator that touches it will find themselves driven out of office by mobs with torches and pitchforks.

340 Dave the.....  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:47:51am

Here’s where Brooks is dishonest. The general public got some information on Ayres. I received a large mailing from the Democrats (I’m not on any mailing list, this must have gone to all or most all addresses in Minnesota) saying Obama had little or no connection to Ayres. If they were that worried about it, Brooks must have known about the connection.

And Rev Wright was fairly well known. What did Brooks think about Obama’s connections to these radicals?

Did he think Obama was a lying opportunist who would actually govern from the center-left intead of the far left like he lived his life?

341 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:48:31am

re: #153 Afrocity

Oh God Rush Limbaugh has this total dick on the phone.

The White House Chief of Staff called in?

342 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:49:24am

re: #20 turn

I’m just waiting for the day that tingle turns into a twinge cramp.

That would be much better.

343 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:50:28am

re: #338 vagabond trader

Saul Alinsky advocated the Cloward-Piven strategy. Alinsky’s teachings were the basis of the Chicago political scene around Obama, & influenced William Ayers and the founders of ACORN.

344 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:50:28am

re: #341 DaddyG

The White House Chief of Staff called in?

That would be dick-less…….

345 Rancher  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:50:33am

Those who didn’t support Obama weren’t generally labeled kooks they were labeled racists. Another aspect was that the media and even McCain blamed the financial meltdown on Wall Street greed and Bush policies instead of Congress. The media wanted him elected and most folks aren’t politically savvy enough to find out the truth for themselves. Well now we all will pay. Most folks will vote their wallets so maybe after 2010 we can do something to stop the madness but until then things are going to get allot worse.

346 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #339 looking closely

Good luck with that one.

He can try it, but any legislator that touches it will find themselves driven out of office by mobs with torches and pitchforks.

Yep, I agree.

But a bailout will give all the kool-aid drinker hope their fortunes will change!

I’m guessing it will come back up and soon.

347 DaddyG  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:50:56am

re: #326 Kenneth


Sounds like McCain is just being a short sighted political opportunist. Again.


Since the primaries I’m convinced McCain is irrelevant unless he says something useful for the MSM to latch on to.

348 notutopia  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:51:25am

The GOP doesn’t need this kind of publicity either!
What the hell happened to picking up the phone or hammering out an email to communicate your dissent within the party. Keep this kind of information out of the medias hands to broadcast.
Rush and Steele, if you both love the GOP and a Conservative America, keep your mouths shut and get to work!

GOP to Michael Steele: Quiet About Rush Limbaugh or You’re Fired
[Link: www.usnews.com…]

349 Olderthandirt  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:52:06am

Strongly agree regarding the kooks except that the “Whitey” tape was pushed mostly by Larry Johnson, who’s certainly not on the right. That guy is / was a strong Clinton booster, plus a nut case himself.

Our side is best served by bloggers who stick to facts and to conservative principles. Of course, there are Fiscal Cons, Social Cons and both are fine in moderation.

350 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:52:47am

re: #343 Kenneth

“Don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”

351 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:53:46am

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

I want one that says ‘One Big Ass Mistake America! As mentioned on a thread a while back.

352 KitchenQueen  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

From cakewrecks.blogspot.com:

Something like this?
Cake Warning

In a few years, we could have something like this:
Good Riddance Cake

353 Andopolis  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:56:08am

A lot of Americans seem to have completely disregarded the first rule of dealing with politicians… don’t listen to what they say, look at what they do.

354 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:56:40am

re: #343 Kenneth

Saul Alinsky advocated the Cloward-Piven strategy. Alinsky’s teachings were the basis of the Chicago political scene around Obama, & influenced William Ayers and the founders of ACORN.

zombie makes the case that puts Obama and Ayers in NY at the same time. Columbia ties Obama to Cloward and Piven. The Obama Alinsky tie is well know, and is Obama Ayers.

Wrap it up in a bow. Alinksy, Cloward & Pivens, Ayers, and Obama.

355 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:56:52am

re: #75 Bloodnok

I noticed this little quote from McCain in that article -I’m disappointed to read it.

$2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii, as McCain twittered, “because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy.”

Promoting astronomy is great, but how is that going to get jobs for average Americans? I’m afraid that McCain just had a major senior moment.

356 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #347 DaddyG

Yesterday’s man. He’s irrelevant. Except in his own mind.

357 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #354 jcm

zombie makes the case that puts Obama and Ayers in NY at the same time. Columbia ties Obama to Cloward and Piven. The Obama Alinsky tie is well know, and is Obama Ayers.

Wrap it up in a bow. Alinksy, Cloward & Pivens, Ayers, and Obama.

Forgot Soros…….

358 notutopia  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #348 notutopia

The GOP doesn’t need this kind of publicity either!
What the hell happened to picking up the phone or hammering out an email to communicate your dissent within the party. Keep this kind of information out of the medias hands to broadcast.
Rush and Steele, if you both love the GOP and a Conservative America, keep your mouths shut and get to work!

GOP to Michael Steele: Quiet About Rush Limbaugh or You’re Fired
[Link: www.usnews.com…]

Here we go… more fuel for this fire! Expect this to turn into a prairie fire, thanks to the GOP big mouths!
[Link: dougpowers.com…]

359 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:00:17am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Where can we order a Corruption Cake?

Marzi Tarts in Seattle. Their main specialty is ‘erotic’ cakes in the shape of male and female rude bits.

360 Macaroon  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:00:33am

Bumper Sticker Idea:

Buck Ofama

361 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:01:28am

re: #354 jcm

It’s quite the coinky-dinky that Obama lived in the same neighborhood in New York as Ayers while the went to different colleges a few blocks apart…. and then Obama moves to Chicago and gets a job in a law firm where Ayers father was on the Board of Directors & Ayers wife, B. Dohrn worked and where he meets Michelle.

362 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:04:19am

re: #108 JohnAdams

Obama Lied
Pig Sty

Obama Lied
Stockbrokers Cried

363 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:04:37am

How naive of David Brooks. The same man that promoted Barack Obama to the latte liberal crowd in Manhattan during the 2008 election. It finally dawned on him that Barack Obama is not even a moderate. His observation that Obama is “inspiring and his speech is responsible” is Brooke’s latest misinterpretation of Barack Obama.

364 Han_Solo  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:05:18am

>the Hamiltonian tradition

I thought Hamilton was a PRO FEDERALIST big-federal-government anti-states-rights guy?

Is this guy clueless on History too?

365 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:05:58am
366 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:08:10am

re: #15 lawhawk

David Brooks only now realizes that Obama wasn’t what he seemed? What the frack was he thinking ever thinking that Obama was moderate? There was absolutely nothing in Obama’s background to even hint that Obama would play moderate. Nothing. It was all solid left to far left to Marxist. His economic theories are straight out of the New Deal and big government - bigger than anything the fiscal liberal Bush could come up with. If there’s anything that leftists can do, it’s outspend everyone else with other people’s money.

There’s nothing in his words that suggest moderation or conservativism.

If I were a reporter at the NYT, and knew that the paper’s stock was in penny stock territory (which it is close to), and that firings of the newsroom are on the horizon, I’d be demanding Brooks’ scalp because he’s done nothing to show that he can provide insightful commentary or anything else of use - regardless of his political stance.

The same goes for Dowd. Krugman can at least provide some insight on economics - even if he’s wrong more often than not.

The Times is paying Brooks $300,000 for this drivel? RS McCain does the righteous rant far better than I.

RS McCain was one of those “true conservatives” who voted against John McCain in November, and he ranted against McCain on his site and in the comments over at Hotair up until election day.

I don’t take him any more seriously than Brooks or junior Buckley any more.

367 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #348 notutopia

The GOP doesn’t need this kind of publicity either!
What the hell happened to picking up the phone or hammering out an email to communicate your dissent within the party. Keep this kind of information out of the medias hands to broadcast.
Rush and Steele, if you both love the GOP and a Conservative America, keep your mouths shut and get to work!

GOP to Michael Steele: Quiet About Rush Limbaugh or You’re Fired
[Link: www.usnews.com…]

From what I’ve seen, Steele is trying to move past this stupidity, but the “true conservatives” won’t let the story die.

Limbaugh needs to tell his lackies to STFU, if he can get his ego under control enough to do it.

368 Cygnus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #120 ThinkRight

Tennessee’s Republican Party is trying to tap into the resentment that some Americans are feeling about the Obama administration’s foreclosure prevention program.

Thursday, the Nashville-based organization began selling bumper stickers reading “HONK If you’re paying my mortgage.” In five days more than 4,000 have been purchased, according to Bill Hobbs, the party’s spokesman. He said that this beats the 3,500 stickers the party sold last fall that read YOUR WALLET The only place Democrats want to drill.

“It was the right time, given all the backlash in the public to the mortgage bailout,” he said.
‘Honk If You’re Paying My Mortgage’:

I ordered 3 and I’m also passing on the link. Thanks!

369 Crashnburn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:14:28am

And for those of you too young to remember, this is what the Carter administration would look like if Jimmah had actually known what he was doing…

370 itellu3times  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:15:07am
His words are responsible; his character is inspiring

His unicorn glistens in the sun, even at night.

/maroon

371 Wilderstad  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:18:19am

Obama told us all exactly what he is, and what he’s about.
Mr. Brooks is either willfully blind, or he hasn’t got two neurons to rub together.

372 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:18:57am

re: #206 BLBfootballs

I agree that the kooks generally make the water bitter for everyone, but seriously — there was so f****** much data out there about ‘the real’ Barack Obama before the election that I just don’t think the fringes of the righty blogosphere can be assigned responsibility for people not listening.

Not that they helped of course. But the problem is that self-proclaimed “moderates” and self-perceived “intellectuals” like Brooks — a fine man whom I happen to know BTW — simply jumped into the hopey Obama Kool-Aid like everybody else. IMO they were committed to do it no matter what the more extreme opposition said or didn’t say.

There were just boatloads of information presented by the non-kooky right, center-right and center of the blogosphere and conservative journalists and researchers, etc. etc. etc. during the campaign. The majority of Americans voted for Obamavision anyway and so the country is now taking a ride on a fantasy wave. When the wave breaks…. we’re all going to bear the price. Reinhold Niebuhr notwithstanding.

The really important takeaway is the ease with which “intellectuals” bought in to the hypnotic image.

Rightists (and I think increasingly all non-leftists) are going to have to make very strong arguments in spite of the wackos on their fringes. The wackos deserve to be ignored. And if we need to slap them down, we can. It’s a complex challenge — but clearly surmountable. The left has certainly learned how to generate a popularly acceptable message.

Meanwhile conservatives continue to grow increasingly decrepit at communications. And that’s one reason why right-kooky associations endure in the public mind.

GREAT COMMENT

373 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #367 funky chicken

From what I’ve seen, Steele is trying to move past this stupidity, but the “true conservatives” won’t let the story die.

Limbaugh needs to tell his lackies to STFU, if he can get his ego under control enough to do it.

The thing that I don’t understand is that Michael Steele is essentially the CEO of the RNC. Master and commander of a party that chose him to be their leader. The conservative principle in this case would be that one would respect and defer to the authority figure which in this case should be, by tradition, Michael Steele. Somewhere along the line the pundits and Mr. Limbaugh seem to have forgotten this.

At this point Mr. Steele has lost face with the general public. It is also creating even greater negative publicity for the Republican party and providing the ultimate in political fodder for the White House. Even if Mr. Steele were to be replaced the assumption from now on would be that the Republican chairman’s authority is close to nil.

374 stuiec  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:20:53am
One unfortunate factor that exacerbated the tendency to dismiss all critics of Barack Obama as kooks: the many right wing bloggers who did act like kooks, enthusiastically and relentlessly promoting stories like the birth certificate nonsense, the “Michelle Obama ‘whitey’ tape,” the “Obama is the love child of Malcolm X” rubbish, and countless other insane and/or stupid smears. The damage they did (and are still doing, in some cases) to the center-right blogosphere was enormous; when some of the loudest voices are screaming gibberish, they drown out everyone else and tar the whole group by association.

The bell curve meets Gresham’s Law: the people at the four to six sigma tail on either end of the political bell curve tend to make up for small numbers with loud voices, and their political views tend to drive sane discourse out of the public marketplace, just like bad money drives good out of circulation.

375 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:22:07am

Brooks can go to hell and take Peggy Noonan, David Frum, Kathleen Noonan, Heather MacDonald, with him.

376 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #341 DaddyG

The White House Chief of Staff called in?

I was going to guess Axelrod… :-)

I will guess that the lib callers are all Axelrod employees. He’s the astroturf king, after all.

I’m not a Limbaugh fan, but the man is definitely more than capable of beating the (intellectual and rhetorical) crap out of the Axelturfer corps.

377 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:23:23am

re: #361 Kenneth

It’s quite the coinky-dinky that Obama lived in the same neighborhood in New York as Ayers while the went to different colleges a few blocks apart…. and then Obama moves to Chicago and gets a job in a law firm where Ayers father was on the Board of Directors & Ayers wife, B. Dohrn worked and where he meets Michelle.

Too many that’s for sure.

378 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:24:17am
when some of the loudest voices are screaming gibberish, they drown out everyone else and tar the whole group by association.

You are 100% right although the Left had no problem engaging in that type of rumor mongering.

379 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:25:45am

re: #373 Gus 802

How about the imagery? “Angry white man drives African American from his job”

Surely Limbaugh remembers how he and Republicans were so successfullly portrayed by Bill Clinton? It’s one reason why Bob Dole had to campaign with a virtual muzzle in 1996…if he’d used any of his witty/sarcastic humor and rhetorical skills, it would have fed right into the “angry white republican man” stereotype.

380 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Did someone say… “Love Child”?

I would think that The One would be proud to be the ‘love child’ of Malcom Little er X.

381 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:29:08am

re: #379 funky chicken

How about the imagery? “Angry white man drives African American from his job”

Surely Limbaugh remembers how he and Republicans were so successfullly portrayed by Bill Clinton? It’s one reason why Bob Dole had to campaign with a virtual muzzle in 1996…if he’d used any of his witty/sarcastic humor and rhetorical skills, it would have fed right into the “angry white republican man” stereotype.

Big time. If that does occur it will only add to an already precarious situation. Adding to that since it seems that Limbaugh is a defacto leader of the Republican party it would also read as “Republican party” ousts first African-American leader of the RNC.” Hypothetically speaking of course. We’ll have to see how this evolves.

382 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:29:49am

re: #15 lawhawk

And Brooks makes around $300,00 a year to post his twice a week drivel. Where is Bill Safire when he is needed?

383 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:30:36am

There is nothing inherently sacred about a sacred cow - unless you happen to believe that it is so.
Mooooooooooooooooobama.

384 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:30:54am

You want to hear real screaming?

/just wait until he starts appointing Federal judges

385 HippieforLife  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #128 jaunte

“America’s history of slavery”?

Like that is the ONLY thing that can be said about America. What drivel.

386 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:32:16am

re: #384 Killian Bundy

You want to hear real screaming?

/just wait until he starts appointing Federal judges

That’ll be something. The scream heard around the world!

387 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:32:18am

re: #383 Spare O’Lake

There is nothing inherently sacred about a sacred cow - unless you happen to believe that it is so.
Mooooooooooooooooobama.

mmmmmm, scared cow.

388 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #386 Gus 802

That’ll be something. The scream heard around the world!

Michelle for SCOTUS!
////////////////////////

389 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

VDARE is one of the most odious paleo-conservative sites out there. Michelle Malkin once took great umbrage at me a few years back when I told her (very politely) that I looked at VDARE (which was on her blog roll) and found them a bit ‘disturbing’. Yeah I know she is against immigration and so is VDARE but one must have some standards.

390 johnnyreb  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:34:55am

I suspect more of this in the next few months, much more. These people pinned hope on an empty suit and would not (or possibly could not) listen to anything negative about him. They wanted him to be what they thought he was. They let their hatred of anything Bush over ride the non-reality of the empty suit from Chicago.

I think in medical terms that is called delusional. I hear medication can usually help this condition.

391 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:35:50am

re: #388 jcm

Michelle for SCOTUS!
////////////////////////

Bernardine Dohrn for SCOTUS!

//////////////////////////////////

I wouldn’t put it past him.

392 jcm  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #391 Gus 802

Bernardine Dohrn for SCOTUS!

//////////////////////////////////

I wouldn’t put it past him.

Lynne F. Stewart

393 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:39:25am

Christopher Buckley (he of the soft and flabby face of a well fed coward) also seems to have had an epiphany that The One is really a Socialist. Who would a thought?

394 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:39:56am

re: #374 stuiec

What drove sane discourse out of the election was the unrelenting idolatry of the media and lack of a strong fiscally conservative candidates with ability to deliver the message.

395 Gus  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:40:36am

re: #392 jcm

Lynne F. Stewart

OMG, I remember hearing about her and that case. Textbook dowdy, anti-American leftist.

396 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:41:43am

re: #393 Joel

That was a quick turnaround. Any links?

397 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:42:24am

re: #395 Gus 802

OMG, I remember hearing about her and that case. Textbook dowdy, anti-American leftist.

Yeah too bad that William Kunstler is taking the eternal dirt nap or he would have been nominated for Attorney General. Of course Benedict Arlen (Specter) and the Maine Twins would have voted to confirm him.

398 aggieann  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:42:27am

re: #362 Cygnus

Obama Lied
Stockbrokers Cried

Obama Lied
Democrats and the MSM Pie-in-the-Skyed

399 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:43:49am

re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

I didn’t know. I generally only go to “the other mccain” when someone links me to a specific post. That means I’ve only read his good articles, not his Taki columns.

As for VDARE, it is currently running Paul Craig Roberts (3/2/09) and Pat Buchanan (3/1/09). What a swamp!

400 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:44:13am

Way off topic (think about this the next time you are afraid of getting the pink slip or ask for a token raise) - Manny Ramirez finally forced himself to condescend and take the Dodgers insulting offer of $45 million for two years. Great guy!

401 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:47:04am

re: #400 Joel

Way off topic (think about this the next time you are afraid of getting the pink slip or ask for a token raise) - Manny Ramirez finally forced himself to condescend and take the Dodgers insulting offer of $45 million for two years. Great guy!

Boston is well rid of this narcissistic jackass. He was a downer here and will be a downer in LA. Good Riddance!

402 aggieann  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:47:11am

re: #256 Catttt

I actually posted one a while back on Cafe Press. I don’t want to link it, because that would be like an ad, but the message is “Question Othority” - and the O is the Obama glyph thing he used in the election.

I don’t know if I’ve sold anything - never check. I’ll have to do that, as soon as I remember to look for the password. :D

I’ve got one!

403 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #400 Joel

JOEL!

404 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:49:00am

re: #399 Zimriel

I didn’t know. I generally only go to “the other mccain” when someone links me to a specific post. That means I’ve only read his good articles, not his Taki columns.

As for VDARE, it is currently running Paul Craig Roberts (3/2/09) and Pat Buchanan (3/1/09). What a swamp!

Paul Craig Roberts is a demented anti Semite. He makes Buchanan seem like a reasonable, tolerant, fellow. I really hate the guy. Not one of Reagan’s better appointments that’s for shit sure.Taki is a coke snorting goon and also a class A-1 anti Semite.

405 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:49:25am

re: #403 WriterMom

JOEL!

Hey how are you? How’s your Dad? When is Olmerde going to jail?

406 kynna  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:49:41am

Maybe I’m misreading, but there’s a clueless narrative going on in a few of the posts I’ve been reading lately here and elsewhere.

If I think something is a GOOD thing, why am I then obligated to support the government (particularly Federal) funding it? Why is it that I and many others are pegged as ANTI-SCIENCE because we think funding everything through the federal government is a dangerous, and slippery slope?

Someone above asked if another poster (who questions vast government funding of scientific projects) approved of NASA. Well, I approve of space exploration, experimentation and — heck — even colonization if it ever happened that way, but I do think that such things would be better accomplished if private funding of projects were more encouraged. There is evidence that space science is actually an attractive investment for some, but competing against the government (who can turn around a regulate you right out of the race) is darn near impossible. So it’s a hobby, if anything.

Meanwhile we’ve got a huge government entity that, while it has done many good things and given us many excellent discoveries, is inefficient and expensive. And who’s to say those discoveries wouldn’t have happened even faster in the hands of privately funded scientists?

What I’m getting at is the theme that fits very nicely into the Left’s agenda that anything called science that has a modicum of evidence it might have a successful outcome must be paid for by the government. And yes, it does become agenda science, it becomes more an effort to stay-in-business rather than end successful as well as unsuccessful research, and falls right into the target of politicization.

I hope I’m making sense, but it’s this kind of bizarre, knee-jerk theme that has me concerned about positive discourse for conservatives regarding many issues, but particularly science.

BTW — Just in case I’m not being clear, this post is only about merits of various funding, NOT the merits of science itself.

407 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:50:06am

re: #405 Joel

I’m good, the Dad is good..Olmert. UCH not soon enough.

408 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #401 bolivar

Boston is well rid of this narcissistic jackass. He was a downer here and will be a downer in LA. Good Riddance!

Funny how teams such as Cubs, Yanks, Mets, and Giants could have used his booming bat which would have almost guaranteed them a playoff spot - but all turned him down. I guess the shit he pulled in Boston last year was remembered. LA refused to bid against itself and Scott Boras is a creep.

409 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:53:14am

re: #407 WriterMom

I’m good, the Dad is good..Olmert. UCH not soon enough.

I am happy your father is well. I saw NoSubmission back in December at a reading. I would love to see Olmert hung upside down on a meat hook just like Mussolini.

410 aggieann  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #312 Caboose

Perhaps if Mr. Brooks and others of his ilk hadn’t had their lips so tightly planted on the Chosen Ones’ muscular tan posterior for the entire campaign, they might have gotten a slightly different view of their Messiah. They just must have been mesmerized by the “Hope” and “Change” woven into the elastic band of The One’s briefs to take notice of anything else…

Michelle Obama is on the cover of Vogue this month (as they do for each First Lady) but the headline is something like, “The first lady the world has been waiting for.” I had to chuckle and wonder if the editors will be thinking the same thing a year from now when they realize how few of those pricey ads they’re able to sell.

411 bolivar  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:55:21am

re: #408 Joel

I still like to think what goes around comes around. He will be a sorry fat bastard some day and we will have no sympathy for him. Hope he fizzles and they really regret the 45 mil.

412 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #411 bolivar

I still like to think what goes around comes around. He will be a sorry fat bastard some day and we will have no sympathy for him. Hope he fizzles and they really regret the 45 mil.

Well the Dodgers (smartly) gave Manny an opt out clause after this season where he (Ramirez) can declare himself a free agent so if he pulls any stunt under Joe Torre, he will be even more toxic (plus another year older) to other teams.

413 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 11:58:07am

411 Bolivar

Another guy totally clueless is former Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez who talks as if it is still 1999 and he can be a mmajor contributor to a team. He did crap for the Mets who foolishly gave hima 4 yaer contract. One decent season (2005) and after that nothing but injuries.

414 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #406 kynna

Maybe I’m misreading, but there’s a clueless narrative going on in a few of the posts I’ve been reading lately here and elsewhere.

If I think something is a GOOD thing, why am I then obligated to support the government (particularly Federal) funding it?

Updinged because it’s a serious argument.

But I don’t agree with you on principle, because if the science is disaster-related and affects all states, private enterprise just won’t see the profit in it. Volcano monitoring is an example we’ve brought up before. Asteroid / comet monitoring, and solar monitoring, would be the relevant examples for astronomy. The feds and at times even the world at large have to get involved.

415 Ty85719  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:15:42pm

I will have to disagree with this article regarding Obama conspiracies - the fact is that these conspiracies were/are being propagated by fringe elements, and the MSM dishonestlypaint these people as “mainstream” conservatives. perhaps 1 in evey 100 conservative people I come in contact with might give some credence to these conspiracy theories. (Let us not forget that it was the MSM who perpetrated and perpetuated the grandest conspiracy theories regarding George Bush and his cabinet.)

416 Tarheel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:19:15pm

The likes of Moveon and dimokratunderground don’t seem to have hurt the dims any. By Charles’ theory, there are no moderate dims or the dims would have lost because of the insane ravings of blogs such as those mentioned above.

417 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:20:09pm

re: #396 vagabond trader

That was a quick turnaround. Any links?

This follows Obama’s loss of Chris Buckley, a Republican who went so far as to vote for Mr. Obama. Writes Buckley in the Daily Beast: “’$3.6 trillion budget’ can’t be right. The entire national debt is —what — about $11 trillion? He can’t actually be proposing to spend nearly one-third of that in one year, surely. Let me check. Hmm. He did. The Wall Street Journal notes that federal outlays in fiscal 2009 will rise to almost 30 percent of the gross national product. In language that even an innumerate English major such as myself can understand: The US government is now spending annually about one-third of what the entire US economy produces. As George Will would say, ‘Well.’

418 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:27:17pm

re: #416 Tarheel

The likes of Moveon and dimokratunderground don’t seem to have hurt the dims any. By Charles’ theory, there are no moderate dims or the dims would have lost because of the insane ravings of blogs such as those mentioned above.

You got a good point. I don’t like loons of any political stripe but we should not get overexcited or distracted over a few whackos chasing after Obambi’s birth certificate.

419 dormain  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:27:39pm

It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the right-wing blogs. This is disingenuous in the extreme and serves only to remove culpability from the centrists who willfully ignored the writing emblazoned on the wall. What self-serving tripe.

420 DisturbedEma  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:32:23pm

re: #416 Tarheel

The likes of Moveon and dimokratunderground don’t seem to have hurt the dims any. By Charles’ theory, there are no moderate dims or the dims would have lost because of the insane ravings of blogs such as those mentioned above.


For some reason- fake E bay pages about selling babies with Down Syndrome were sen as funny and fair game…and the koskrap and huffpoo sites were seen as legit, despite a dearth of facts and a extreme amount of hate and violence against those that were on the other side of the politial fence…made all th emore crazy by the constant refrain of “we are SO SCARED OF THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, HE IS TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO HATE YOU” and the name calling and the buring in effigy, and the wedding pictures juxtaposed with war pictures…

The media and such held this election on Planet Crazy…we did not have a chance!

421 Tarheel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:33:22pm

#419
+1

422 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:34:40pm
423 THX-42  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:34:55pm

Brooks awakens from the one-night-stand-and-the-awesome-four-hour-election…begins to groggily pull up his trousers…and suddenly notices…his wallet is missing…

424 DisturbedEma  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #423 THX-42

Brooks awakens from the one-night-stand-and-the-awesome-four-hour-election …begins to groggily pull up his trousers…and suddenly notices…his wallet is missing…

It’s there, there is no money in it…

425 HDrepub  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:41:25pm

re: #423 THX-42

Brooks awakens from the one-night-stand-and-the-awesome-four-hour-election …begins to groggily pull up his trousers…and suddenly notices…his wallet is missing…

It’s way beyond that. It’s more like he wakes up two days later with a raging STD he can’t get rid of soon enough.

426 quickjustice  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:43:33pm

re: #423 THX-42

And written in red lipstick on the mirror, “HIV positive, sucker!”

427 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #419 dormain

It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the right-wing blogs. This is disingenuous in the extreme and serves only to remove culpability from the centrists who willfully ignored the writing emblazoned on the wall.

Well, one reason I use words like “one factor” is to make it clear that there are “other factors” too.

What self-serving tripe.

On the contrary, I find it embarrassing and sad that I have to even mention this. Blogs have only their established credibility, and the whole center-right blogosphere’s reputation suffers when the kooks get hold of an idea like the birth certificate and won’t drop it.

428 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:45:13pm
429 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #426 quickjustice

And written in red lipstick on the mirror, “HIV positive, sucker!”

Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where George lets a beautiful woman pick him up on the subway and she takes him to a hotel and handcuffs him to a bed then gets dressed and robs his wallet and clothes saying “8 dollars! I wasted all morning for 8 dollars” aftre she sees that’s all he has on him and leaves him there handcuffed to the bed post as he cries out “Will I see you again?”

430 HDrepub  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #428 Iron Fist

LOL, my parents didn’t need any drugs to achieve child behavior modification, nor did the teachers of my time. Wood and leather served the purpose well. Of course today you can be jailed for corporal punishment.

431 tedzilla99  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:54:13pm

I agreed with your point, Charles, up to the last paragraph: the fact is that the MSM completely ignored his associations and did no investigation of him at all. When we less about him than about Sarah Palin - who was in the campaign for barely two months - then it doesn’t matter at all what kooks on the ‘right’ were saying. You’re blog-centric obviously, but the rest of the country isn’t as much, and obviously neither are the MSM. Remove that last paragraph and you’re right on the money.

432 JustABill  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:54:33pm

Perhaps they could have yellow cake and send the leftovers to Iran?

433 HDrepub  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:55:05pm

re: #427 Charles

On the contrary, I find it embarrassing and sad that I have to even mention this. Blogs have only their established credibility, and the whole center-right blogosphere’s reputation suffers when the kooks get hold of an idea like the birth certificate and won’t drop it.

Not to mention the center-right blogospere is held to a higher standard than the leftard blogs.

434 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #366 funky chicken

RS McCain was one of those “true conservatives” who voted against John McCain in November, and he ranted against McCain on his site and in the comments over at Hotair up until election day.

I don’t take him any more seriously than Brooks or junior Buckley any more.

Wow…and I didn’t even know about this:
re: #126 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain writes for the “racialist” website VDARE and the extreme right-wing Takimag.com, by the way. And he’s posted at least one attack piece about little old me.

Although I guess it fits…

435 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 12:57:46pm

re: #431 tedzilla99

That’s because conservative or right of center people get held to a much higher (and in my opinion) impossible standards. Think about Obama’s gaffes’ P/E he called Profit/Earning when we all know it is Price/Earning. Now anyone can make a verbal slip but can you imagine if Bush or McCain or S.P. said that?

436 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #434 funky chicken

AS much as I disliked McCain (what a mistake giving that cranky old fart the nomination) any “true” conservative who did not vote for him in the general election deserves all the Obama inspired misery that they get.

437 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:04:23pm

re: #417 Joel

Thanks, heh, wonder if he feels a bit foolish yet. Nah, he’s above that I s’pose.

438 tedzilla99  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:04:51pm

re: #435 Joel

That’s because conservative or right of center people get held to a much higher (and in my opinion) impossible standards. Think about Obama’s gaffes’ P/E he called Profit/Earning when we all know it is Price/Earning. Now anyone can make a verbal slip but can you imagine if Bush or McCain or S.P. said that?

I get that, mate. I’m just saying that since the right is ignored, the kookery doesn’t damage as much as stated, because it’s all left, all the time in the media. To me, it’s more damaging to have pseudo conservatives like Buckley, Brooks, Noonan, etc. sop up the Obama-Aid whilst ostensibly promoting the right of center view than it is for wackjobs to crow about love children etc.

439 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:09:18pm

re: #437 vagabond trader

Thanks, heh, wonder if he feels a bit foolish yet. Nah, he’s above that I s’pose.

He is a loathsome flabby rich kid trying to get invited (like his girlfriend Kathleen Parker) to all the best Georgetown parties. Another man who literally wishes (just like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann) to have Obama’s baby.

440 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #436 Joel

He was most definitely not my guy in the primaries, but once he had the nomination, and especially once Obama locked up the Dem nomination, it became a real no-brainer on pretty much every issue.

I’m pro-choice, so I guess for me on that issue Obama was my guy (barf). But for “true conservative” screamers like Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Beck et al who obsess over abortion, I really would have thought that issue alone would have been enough for them to make the no-brainer decision to at least stop attacking John McCain.

I guess they just don’t care about the “unborn” as much as they say.

And I guess they just don’t care about earmarks/pork, since John McCain has always been excellent in his opposition to those things. It’s one reason why all of those folks have lost me as an audience member. I don’t need to hear political opinions from obvious morons.

441 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:12:05pm

re: #438 tedzilla99

I get that, mate. I’m just saying that since the right is ignored, the kookery doesn’t damage as much as stated, because it’s all left, all the time in the media. To me, it’s more damaging to have pseudo conservatives like Buckley, Brooks, Noonan, etc. sop up the Obama-Aid whilst ostensibly promoting the right of center view than it is for wackjobs to crow about love children etc.

I agree. Even the worst of the Right (and the VDARE, Buchanan crowd are as much Leftist as Rightist) can never compare to vitriol that one finds on a daily basis on “Count Down With Keith Olbermann”, “The Daily Kos”, “Democratic Underground”, “Move-On”, “The Huffington Post”, “Andrew Sullivan’s Daily Dish”, “James Wolcott of Vanity Fair”, et al.

442 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:13:15pm

Charles, would it be feasible to have a sidebar listing the more disreputable right wing nut sites?I’m not a huge blogger and would like to know who to stay away from in future, or would giving them publicity here be contrary to your principals. Which I fully appreciate.

443 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #440 funky chicken

I too am pro choice and I get so pissed off by the thought that to be considered a conservative you have to be willing to put 16 year old girls in prison who get knocked up and have an abortion. I supported first Rudy, then Romney (after Rudy dropped out after his poorly run campaign). I think that in today’s current financial crisis that Mitt Romney would have been the best one to be President. I also regret ever thinking that Hillary was a pragmatist. She was a pragmatist only in comparison to The One. Her recent statements on Israel/Gaza and her pushing for $900 million to give to Gaza are beyond despicable. At least I can say that I did not vote for The One and I donated $50 to McCain although in many ways I disliked the guy and still do. In fact, I hope that J.D. Hayworth beats him in the Republian primary and takes his place in the Senate.

444 A.W.  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:23:01pm

Well, i have long said that Obama was such a shameless politician you would be crazy to say you knew what his true colors was. But apparently he was shameless with a goal in mind: to make america into europe. which is what i worried about all along.

Believe you me, i didn’t vote for McCain so much as vote against Obama (and to some degree, to vote for Palin). And now i don’t know whether to laugh or cry, because our country is nose-diving badly. i keep crossing my fingers and hoping that all this was a bad dream or suddenly obama would figure out that just the idea of his policies, let alone the reality of them, is an economy killer.

2010 can’t come fast enough. I hope and pray for a 1994 style revolt.

445 sam8  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:23:58pm

Here’s the problem, Charles, Brooks and company think that all right-of-center blogs are for and by kooks, including yours.

Even though you and many other right-of-center bloggers, including the National Review bloggers, Michelle Malkin, Allah and Ed, etc., helped to throw water on the conspiracy theories of a few (including those Hillary supporters trumpeting the “whitey” tapes), Brooks, Buckley, Noonan and Parker weren’t going to pay attention to anything legitmately critical of Obama — they were too enthralled with him. They’re no different than uneducated people who vote strictly for who will give them the most. In their case, what they hoped to get was access to The One and they chose to believe all his articulate lies.

446 Joel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:24:54pm

re: #440 funky chicken

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I’m pro-choice, so I guess for me on that issue Obama was my guy (barf). But for “true conservative” screamers like Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Beck et al who obsess over abortion, I really would have thought that issue alone would have been enough for them to make the no-brainer decision to at least stop attacking John McCain.


Yes the one issue people make me sick. As if abortion will ever be outlawed. What did the great Ronald Reagan do to outlaw abortion? When they say (some say) that the GOP should back off a bit on the social conservatism and emphasize the economic conservatism I agree and I think about the abortion issue. The country is not going to make abortion illegal. The idea that just because Rudy was a ‘choicer’ disqualified him to be the nominee is suicidal. I ahve a sister who is so fanatically anti abortion that she ran the risk of 4 more years of David Dinkins in 1993 by supporting some fat assed anti abortion guy named George Marlin as the Conservative nominee for Mayor of NYC.

447 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:31:11pm
448 Mirage  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:31:15pm

re: #66 Catttt

Is it too early to put a Don’t Blame Me - I Voted for McCain bumpersticker on my truck?

How about a catch all one: “Don’t blame ME - I didn’t vote for 0bama”

449 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:32:22pm
450 h0mi  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:36:22pm

The problem is that people expect a rehash of the Clinton years in Obama, and that can very well come true because just as Clinton ran to the left in 93-94, so is Obama. But Clinton was a “centrist” Democrat from the DLC; even with Hillarycare and the gays in the military mess, he never had the sort of leftist background Obama did and IMO while people who thought Clinton was going to be ‘conservative’ were only mildly delusional, there’s no real good reason to have expected anything like this out of McHopeychangeydude.

451 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #441 Joel

I agree. Even the worst of the Right (and the VDARE, Buchanan crowd are as much Leftist as Rightist) can never compare to vitriol that one finds on a daily basis on “Count Down With Keith Olbermann”, “The Daily Kos”, “Democratic Underground”, “Move-On”, “The Huffington Post”, “Andrew Sullivan’s Daily Dish”, “James Wolcott of Vanity Fair”, et al.

I wish you were right about the worst of the Right but you’re not. Leaving aside the usual suspects (st*rmfr*nt, v*ng**rd, etc etc), there are plenty of sites which serve up vitriol and conspiracy theories to a more mainstream, Right-wing, non-socialist audience.

But one can always find an X who is more of a jerk than Y. It’s better not to get dragged into that.

Rather than comparing what are in effect two differently-labeled strains of bacteria, it would be more interesting to take two sites with a comparable level of toxicity and then check their ratio of unique visitors per month.

452 skipster  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:06:15pm

Brooks finally spots the HUGE Obama problem he helped to create with his head-in-the-sand, hope-it-works support of the anointed one. It’s absolutely amazing that such intelligent and seemingly well-grounded people such as Brooks fell so hard for the Obama mystique. His prior Obama support was an absolutely disgusting abandonment of real principled thought. Now the scales have fallen from his eyes — but much too late. The country in in BIG trouble Mr. Brooks, and you and other supposed conservatives who couldn’t see beyond your own hope and simplistic yearning wer (and still are) a major part of the problem.

453 under  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:06:29pm

Charles, right-wing kooks had nothing to do with it. If there had been no “kooks”, conservative bloggers would have been smeared and discredited anyway. Anyone who questioned Obama became a target for abuse. Anybody who disapproved of Obama and wrote about it was, by the left’s definition, a right-wing kook.

454 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:16:07pm

re: #442 vagabond trader

Charles, would it be feasible to have a sidebar listing the more disreputable right wing nut sites?I’m not a huge blogger and would like to know who to stay away from in future, or would giving them publicity here be contrary to your principals. Which I fully appreciate.

An LGF blacklist? Yeesh! I know that in effect, we have one, but it feels wrong to have it linked to this site.

It would certainly be possible for one of us to compile a list based on Charles’s criteria. A site would get on the list by overt support of a fascist group (like, say, Serb nationalists), advocating vigilante violence, unrepentant spreading of conspiracy theories, Discovery Institute - style abuses of the scientific method, or donations of material to a racist or antiSemitic website.

This would be surrounded by a penumbra of bloggers and sites, like VDARE, which support the supporters. I am afraid this will snag a lot of us lizards. It’s not just RS McCain and the racists on VDARE; Michelle Malkin is on it too, and so is Steve Sailer. I like Steve.

455 Irish Rose  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:20:28pm

re: #440 funky chicken

But for “true conservative” screamers like Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Beck et al who obsess over abortion, I really would have thought that issue alone would have been enough for them to make the no-brainer decision to at least stop attacking John McCain.

I guess they just don’t care about the “unborn” as much as they say.

And I guess they just don’t care about earmarks/pork, since John McCain has always been excellent in his opposition to those things. It’s one reason why all of those folks have lost me as an audience member. I don’t need to hear political opinions from obvious morons.

You and me both.

456 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:21:40pm

re: #453 under

Charles, right-wing kooks had nothing to do with it. If there had been no “kooks”, conservative bloggers would have been smeared and discredited anyway. Anyone who questioned Obama became a target for abuse. Anybody who disapproved of Obama and wrote about it was, by the left’s definition, a right-wing kook.

Which is to say that right-wing kooks had EVERYTHING to do with it. They made the difference between disgusted viewers dismissing the MSM as a bunch of hacks, and worried viewers wondering what would happen if McCain and (especially) Palin got into the White House on the kooks’ backs.

457 warlock  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:22:48pm

“His character is inspiring.” Has this author never heard of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act?

458 Ruebacca  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:23:08pm

Brooks is a pinko. Moderate-conservative my fanny. If you hypinate your conservatism then you are not a conservative. Good bye neo-C and compationate-C.

459 baldeagle  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:25:14pm

If the press functioned like the Founding Fathers envisioned it,,,,we would not have this flaming left wing, American Hating couple in our White House .

460 tradewind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:31:16pm

David Brooks, add your name to the ’ dumber than dirt ’ list. Such a disappointment you have been the past year……
BHO, a flaming left-winger? ya think?
Oh, I forgot… not so much. You used to think, but now you just parrot.

461 Sheepdogess  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:32:39pm

My first delete, sorry.

462 BLBfootballs  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:33:31pm

re: #431 tedzilla99

I agreed with your point, Charles, up to the last paragraph: the fact is that the MSM completely ignored his associations and did no investigation of him at all. When we less about him than about Sarah Palin - who was in the campaign for barely two months - then it doesn’t matter at all what kooks on the ‘right’ were saying. You’re blog-centric obviously, but the rest of the country isn’t as much, and obviously neither are the MSM. Remove that last paragraph and you’re right on the money.

Well that’s the problem — we know that the MSM have a leftward bias. But rightists and conservatives (the sane ones, of course) have poor communications skills. In a time when public knowledge is fed and defined by media, anyone who can’t communicate via media will lose.

There are very few conservatives who are capable of enunciating right-of-center ideas. They are generally poor at talking in public — and conservatives also have a tendency to discount the value and meaning of words and language. The problem is compounded terribly when they need to somehow adapt words and language for use in a hostile environment. They can’t even use words well in a non-hostile environment.

This is basically an ‘evolutionary’ challenge for people on the right. Can rightists adapt to a hostile environment and then overcome the environment to thrive? Non-adaptive species fail.

If conservatives don’t learn how to talk, conservatives will fail. It’s already happening.

463 tradewind  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:34:39pm

re: #458 Ruebacca

He used to be moderate-conservative… or at least, he played one very well. Had me fooled, for a few years. Something flipped his switch during the campaign… maybe he just finally folded under the sheer peer pressure of the NYT environment and couldn’t take it any more. Maybe he and Peggy Noonan drank the same tainted Koolaid.
Whatever, he’s a lost cause now, for sure.

464 Parker in US  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:34:59pm

America is slowly waking from their slumber even the MSM is starting to say “What did he say” unfortunately a day late and several trillion dollars short.

465 Sheepdogess  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:46:05pm

1mod·er·ate Listen to the pronunciation of 1moderate
Pronunciation:
ˈmä-d(ə-)rət
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin moderatus, from past participle of moderare to moderate; akin to Latin modus measure
Date:
15th century

1 a: avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits b: calm , temperate 2 a:ttending toward the mean or average amount or dimension b: having average or less than average quality : mediocre 3: professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme 4: limited in scope or effect5: not expensive : reasonable or low in price6of a color : of medium lightness and medium chroma
— mod·er·ate·ly adverb
— mod·er·ate·ness noun

David Brooks, the number two definition. It’s too bad, I was a big fan of his.

Gotta love the moderated comments.

466 Irenike  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:46:18pm

Aren’t we in danger of letting our opponents define who the most “popular” conservative voices are? MSM commentators like to pick the most polemical conservatives to parade around as examples of how bad Republicans are, and yet they ignore folks like Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager, who I think are reasonable and intelligent, and who have been spot-on about Obama since day one.

All journalists and bloggers, regardless of political leanings, should stick with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. This standard applies equally to the crazy right-wingers who spread every pathetic dirty rumor they can find, without checking it’s accuracy. All they succeed in doing is making themselves look like vicious, gullible fools.

The MSM has even less of an excuse to disregard truth, since they always brag about how professional they are, and how their training in journalism school has a long and noble history. But I saw them continually paper over anything bad about Obama. They didn’t even delve into stories that any old-school journalist knew had to be investigated. How about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge controversy, in which a reporter was stonewalled from having access to public documents? Then there are all of Obama’s unsavory associations: Wright, Ayers, Blagojevich, any one of which could have given important insight into the man if the journalists had just done their job.

But Brooks, like a lot of journalists, wasn’t interested in the truth. He was interested in image and spin and hopes and dreams. Now reality is coming to bite him in the ass. Good. I hope reality takes out a good chunk. I hope more journalists with a shred of conscience realize what a huge, destructive fraud they’ve helped to perpetuate, and that they publicly ‘fess up to their mistakes.

467 BLBfootballs  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 2:55:02pm

re: #462 BLBfootballs
re: #466 Irenike

Y’know I hate to self-reference but there’s one more important point.

The shortage of well-spoken and communicative rightists is a big reason why the kooky konservatives get an excess of attention.

Think about it, there are two reasons why the bizarro-world of the Daily Kos (and the 48 quadzillion kooky left blogs) doesn’t taint the public image of modern liberalism:

1. The media tend leftward, and many journalists and producers instinctively want to avoid tarnishing ideas that they believe in.

2. There are SO MANY well-spoken, communicative, assertive leftists that there’s no reason to pay attention to the underemployed weirdos.

When conservatives can speak intelligently and powerfully about their ideals, and why their ideas are a program for success, a lot of the overattention given to the weirdos will vanish. Just ask Dennis Prager — a thinker and speaker who’s had a lot of success arguing for rightist ideas publicly in the media and the intelligentsia. Hugh Hewitt’s also fine, and he and Prager are interviewed by big media frequently.

But please people! We need more than 1 or 2! And well-spoken, passionate and communicative conservatives are something that we have quite a shortage of.

468 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 3:26:59pm

re: #466 Irenike

Aren’t we in danger of letting our opponents define who the most “popular” conservative voices are? MSM commentators like to pick the most polemical conservatives to parade around as examples of how bad Republicans are, and yet they ignore folks like Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager, who I think are reasonable and intelligent, and who have been spot-on about Obama since day one.

Didn’t Hugh Hewitt get laughed out of court years ago? He’s the guy who gave a B+ to Harriet Miers. And then there was that book “Painting the Map Red”.

Last I heard from Dennis Prager, on August 5 2008 he had Michael Behe on his radio show. Just what the Right needs when we’re three months from Election Day - a debate on Intelligent Design.

Please come up with some better role models.

469 Irenike  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 3:32:26pm

re: #467 BLBfootballs

re: #466 Irenike

Y’know I hate to self-reference but there’s one more important point.

The shortage of well-spoken and communicative rightists is a big reason why the kooky konservatives get an excess of attention.


BLB, many of the points you’ve been raising I agree with, and I appreciate the fact that you are taking the time to articulate them. However, I don’t think the problem with conservatives is that there is a shortage of good speakers. The problem is that no conservative (with a few exceptions) is willing to stand up and be a prophet.

“Be a prophet” means to say things people don’t want to hear, but that are true nonetheless. In the early 1930’s, when Hitler was elected, Churchill was one of the few who stood against the rising popularity of the dictator and predicted that the man would not be good for Germany or the rest of the world. Because of his views, Churchill stayed very unpopular for years afterward, even as the rising Nazi menace spread throughout Europe. But Churchill never backed down, and he never gave up. He spoke the truth, and in the end, when the hour was very dark for the world, he was able to step in and lead the good guys out of hell by the skin of his teeth and the force of his courage. He was willing to fight to the bloody end.

Right now, with the exception of a few columnists and talk-show hosts, I see no major conservative who is willing to stand up against the popularity of Obama and say the things that need saying, in a way that isn’t sugar-coated. I didn’t watch Jindal’s performance last week, but from what I gathered, he was trying to be Obama-lite, just with a different political viewpoint. Conservatives never succeed by being a pale imitation of Democrats. Jindal could have used the opportunity to be very grave and sober, to start predicting what is going to happen if we go down the socialist road Obama has charted for us. And using the word “socialist” is not a bad idea, in my opinion. Any prominent conservative politician has the opportunity to do this, from Romney to Palin, to Thompson and Jindal, and yet I’m just not seeing it coming out yet.

Maybe the time isn’t right for any conservative to be a prophet. Maybe it is too early in Obama’s administration. I mean, besides the ups and downs of the stock market, nothing has really changed American life substantially. But the handwriting is on the wall, and anybody with a lick of sense can see what’s going to happen if the Big O gets his way. Conservatives should start laying the groundwork now and start speaking truth to power, even if right now it is unpopular.

470 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 3:35:54pm

are forced to confront the reality that Barack Obama is not who we thought he was.

Ahh , Good ole’ Denny Green.
They are who we thought they we’re.

471 Roses  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 3:57:45pm

I’ve read your post, but not the comments, yet.

Some of the dismissed right wing “kooks” tried to expose Obama’s record - his Rezko deals (not just the house), the now termed ‘pay for play’ pattern of campaign promises rewarded with lucrative million dollar state, and then federal contracts (slums, and the Obama Botanical garden), Michelle’s job, and on and on and on. “Right wing kooks” investigated and exposed his record with the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, Bill Ayres, the racist Rev. Wright. Birth certificate or no, they were all branded “right wing kooks” the same way any of us with an R as the box we checked when we filled out our voter registration form. Even moderate, classic Democrats are branded “right wing” if they voice an opinion contrary to the “progressive” left-wing sanctioned meme.

They have, and we have, all been branded because it suits the org puppet masters, who use the “grassroots” citizen cloak to operate a muscular new rule that is, at its heart, fascist and totalitarian.

David Brooks will pay a price for stepping out of line - he ought to try an experiment and say something totally in sympathy with the right and see how he is then smeared. It would be eye-opening. In an Animal farm kind of way.

But it will take all of us, centrist, moderate and right wing, including the “kooks” to stop this massive power grab. Right now people are sitting in stunned amazement. We’re going to have to get over that real, real quick.

472 Irenike  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:07:37pm

re: #468 Zimriel

Didn’t Hugh Hewitt get laughed out of court years ago? He’s the guy who gave a B+ to Harriet Miers. And then there was that book “Painting the Map Red”.

Last I heard from Dennis Prager, on August 5 2008 he had Michael Behe on his radio show. Just what the Right needs when we’re three months from Election Day - a debate on Intelligent Design.

Please come up with some better role models.

Zemriel, if you can come up with the perfect conservative spokesperson, I’m all ears.

Hugh Hewitt has held a lot of boneheaded positions (such as support for Bush’s bailout plan). But he is one of example of a conservative who is not a kook. He debunked the Obama birth-certificate nonsense from the beginning. He knows terrorism is bad. He knows Obama is not good for America. He interviews excellent people who need to be heard more often (such as Petraeus and Bolton). I do not think Hewitt would be a good presidential candidate, but I am using him as an example of a conservative who can argue a point and not come across as a weirdo.

As for Prager, are you seriously arguing that the Behe interview tipped the election in favor of Obama? As I recall, McCain was gaining very steady momentum in August 2008, and he was overtaking Obama until the mid-September crisis hit. That’s what did him in, not a Prager 1-hour interview with Behe. Besides, to Dennis’s credit, he’s been critical of Obama since Obama started campaigning. Dennis has spent far, far more time criticizing the Big O than he has spent interviewing creationists.

Despite his prescience, Churchill was seen as a washed-up has-been by many in Great Britain until the time he became Prime Minister in 1940. Despite his accomplishment at beating the Nazis, he was seen as outdated and no longer useful after he left office. Throughout his career, he had a lot of political enemies, and he made mistakes. I am making the point that there is no perfect candidate. But Churchill spoke truth, he said what people did not want to hear. Most important, he won the war because he didn’t care about popularity contests. That is what I am urging conservatives to do: speak the truth and don’t be afraid to lose the popularity contest in the short-run.

473 Roses  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:10:18pm

What’d I say that offended you, Sharmuta?

474 notutopia  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:33:48pm

re: #471 Roses

But it will take all of us, centrist, moderate and right wing, including the “kooks” to stop this massive power grab.

The GOP does not need or want “kooks” or their conspiracy theories.
BTW, you’ve insulted your host here, Zombie and many many Lizards here with your labeling. I think you owe a bunch of Lizards who helped Zombie on this investigation, a sincere apology.
Your quote:
“Right wing kooks” investigated and exposed his record with the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, Bill Ayres, the racist Rev. Wright.

Don’t you dare equivalate us all to your
acceptance and enabling kooky behavior!

475 martinsmithy  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:46:53pm

Well put in the last paragraph of your post, Charles - I agree completely. And the nutcases continue to soil our case for safe and sane true conservative principles in our politics.

Not to excuse Brooks too much, but in addition to the Pam Atlases of the world, David Brooks, who is no idiot, probably saw what the Bush Presidency and Republican Congress from 2000 through 2006 did to give us runaway domestic spending - not exactly a conservative political principle - topped off by the massive giveaway to Wall Street in the Fall of 2008 - a giveaway that Obama, to his discredit, is continuing. Maybe Brooks thought that, at least in the domestic political arena, Obama couldn’t do much worse that President Bush.

Of course he’s wrong, but I can understand how frustration with a President that allegedly was a fellow conservative could cloud someone’s vision.

476 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:12:42pm

re: #471 Roses

I’ve read your post, but not the comments, yet.

Some of the dismissed right wing “kooks” tried to expose Obama’s record - his Rezko deals (not just the house), the now termed ‘pay for play’ pattern of campaign promises rewarded with lucrative million dollar state, and then federal contracts (slums, and the Obama Botanical garden), Michelle’s job, and on and on and on. “Right wing kooks” investigated and exposed his record with the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, Bill Ayres, the racist Rev. Wright. Birth certificate or no, they were all branded “right wing kooks” the same way any of us with an R as the box we checked when we filled out our voter registration form. Even moderate, classic Democrats are branded “right wing” if they voice an opinion contrary to the “progressive” left-wing sanctioned meme.

All the issues you listed here are legitimate. The ones I listed are not (nirthers, etc.). There’s a difference between honest inquiry and falling for obvious kookery, then refusing to back down — and there’s way too much of the latter.

But it will take all of us, centrist, moderate and right wing, including the “kooks” to stop this massive power grab. Right now people are sitting in stunned amazement. We’re going to have to get over that real, real quick.

If you’re suggesting it’s necessary to stop criticizing the kooks, not a chance.

477 funky chicken  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:19:22pm

A lot of the heavy lifting on the Obama/Ayers/Daley relationship was done by Steve Diamond, who is a liberal law professor and a Ralph Nader supporter.

He used to (?) blog at globallabor.blogspot.com, but the site has gone to “invited reader only” status.

478 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:20:39pm

re: #473 Roses

You’re allowing legitimate criticisms to be labeled as “kook”, and that’s not fair. There’s a strong distinction between a legitimate point and an unsubstantiated rumor. The kooks do nothing but distract from the legitimate, and that hurts us more.

479 Roses  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:23:38pm

re: #474 notutopia

But it will take all of us, centrist, moderate and right wing, including the “kooks” to stop this massive power grab.

The GOP does not need or want “kooks” or their conspiracy theories.
BTW, you’ve insulted your host here, Zombie and many many Lizards here with your labeling. I think you owe a bunch of Lizards who helped Zombie on this investigation, a sincere apology.
Your quote:
“Right wing kooks” investigated and exposed his record with the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, Bill Ayres, the racist Rev. Wright.

Don’t you dare equivalate us all to your acceptance and enabling kooky behavior!

nutopia! I have tremendous and undying APPRECIATION for those who investigated and exposed Obama - All I am saying is that anyone who dared to criticize Obama got slammed, labeled and denigrated, and marginalized - The attacks on Stanley Kurtz were horrific, and immediate, the orcs were sent out to destroy him, and to brand him.

I have watched even moderate, quiet normal Democrats slammed with the label for no more than questioning Obama - the KOS/MoveOn.org forces make sure to marginalize everyone.

480 notutopia  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:32:20pm

re: #479 Roses

Rices,
I guess that says it all. Fear.
No guts, No glory.

481 Roses  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:32:25pm

re: #477 funky chicken

A lot of the heavy lifting on the Obama/Ayers/Daley relationship was done by Steve Diamond, who is a liberal law professor and a Ralph Nader supporter.
He used to (?) blog at globallabor.blogspot.com, but the site has gone to “invited reader only” status.

These guys keep a running record:
[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com…]
with lots and lots of good links
[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com…]
links like these
An Obama resume — a work in progress.
The Obama Socialist / Marxist / Communist Reader.
The BlagoGate Reading List.
The RezkObama Reading List.
Obama’s Rezko House Resource List.
The Dan Mahru Reader — Connecting Some Dots.
Ayers-Dohrn Resource List.
Annenberg-Gate Resource List.
The Aiham Alsammarae Reader.
Obama’s Hateful Pastors Reader (Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss III, James Meeks).
The Louis Farrakhan Reader.
The Michael Pfleger Reader.
The Valerie Jarrett Reader.
The Rashid Khalidi Reader.
FreedomFairy….
Check them out. David Brooks should have.

482 tuptian  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:01:51pm

What, is this guy Rip van Winkle or did his prescription run out.

483 Claire  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:03:10pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

OT: did you see the legislative analysis of the NM creationist bill? Here’s the .pdf. Sounds like somebody read up on the issue.

Yes, I saw that- They appear to have a good handle on it- I was impressed. This is basically the same thing that Komadina introduced in 2007 that didn’t pass. Maybe Cravens get brownie points in heaven by introducing it again.

484 HDrepub  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #461 Sheepdogess

My first delete, sorry.

Mine too, but I don’t recall what I posted. Wish I could remember so as not to do it again.

485 leereyno  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:25:46pm

Transformational liberalism?

I’m not entirely sure what the transformational bit means, but I’m all too familiar with this usage of the term liberalism.

Lets get one thing straight, lefties are NOT liberals. Lefties are about as liberal as the Nazis were socialist. It makes me want to hit someone every time I see someone fall for their “I’m a liberal” schtick and call them by a title they do not deserve.

Many moons ago the left, tarred by the reality of socialism, communism, and every other form of evil nonsense they backed, began calling themselves “liberals.” Back then, the term liberal meant someone who believed in freedom, individual rights, civic responsibility, and the improvement of society through the private efforts of voluntary associations. If these ideas sound familiar to you, it is most likely because you are a conservative, which is the term that true liberals adopted after their own name was stolen from them by leftists.

I for one think it is high time we reclaimed the word liberal from the left. The first step in this process is to STOP referring to leftists, communists, socialists, “progressives”, etc, etc, as “liberals.” Call them leftists. Call them what they really are.

Don’t help them by referring them with a term whose usage can only be described as ironic when applied to the likes of them.

Obama is not a liberal. Obama is a typical crypto-Marxist masquerading as a moderate.

486 BLBfootballs  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 10:12:19pm

re: #485 leereyno

Lets get one thing straight, lefties are NOT liberals. Lefties are about as liberal as the Nazis were socialist….

I for one think it is high time we reclaimed the word liberal from the left. The first step in this process is to STOP referring to leftists, communists, socialists, “progressives”, etc, etc, as “liberals.” Call them leftists. Call them what they really are.

Don’t help them by referring them with a term whose usage can only be described as ironic when applied to the likes of them.

The importance of this point cannot be overstated. The control of language is the biggest problem that non-leftists face.

As for the Nazis being socialist, you’re not gonna believe this but…. see here.

487 Bradley F  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:43:23pm

Now that Brooks has had the scales fall from his eyes perhaps he will soon realize that he, Chris Buckley, David Frum and the rest of the media nattering class were played for the fools that they truly are.

Wake up and smell the cat food, Brooksie!


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