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1 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:34:55am

According to Obama’s Platitudes-to-Experience ratio, this is fantastic news.

2 soxfan4life  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:10am

Is it possible for the Dow to go below 0?

3 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:11am

I wish it were a yo-yo, then at least there would be hope for ups to follow downs. But this is just day after day of DOWn, DOWn, DOWn.

4 Golem Akbar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:13am

Yo Yo or Oy Oy? I’m more inclined to the latter…

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:18am

The economy is really bumming me out. There’s much more of this to come.

6 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:20am
7 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:36:59am

Bears don’t have fists, mun!
And what a bear has in his paws and jaws, he’ll keep, for sure.

As for the DOWn - well, its got to a stage where I can only laugh - bitterly …

8 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:37:09am

re: #2 soxfan4life

I don’t think so. That would mean that companies would pay you to own their stock. It would be like a grocery store giving you money to take food.

9 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:38:25am

Pffft. Worrying about the market is soooo passe’.

10 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:38:50am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I don’t think so. That would mean that companies would pay you to own their stock. It would be like a grocery store giving you money to take food.

That wouldn’t be so bad if the government that pays out the state pension wouldn’t ask you at the same time to pay them for the priviledge of actualy living …

11 Cygnus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:38:59am

Up, down; up, down;… . My retirement fund needs an airsick bag and some Dramamine.

12 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:39:06am
13 Milk in a Box  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:39:37am

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?

14 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:40:00am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?

with what?

15 DistantThunder  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:40:24am

The Obama Bloodbath - in numbers.

16 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:40:25am
17 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:40:31am

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

I was reading an update on this earlier and one word was conspicuously absent: Obama.

Well - thats ok, innit?
0bama doesn’t do the DOWn, he said so himself - so why would this be his fault?

/////

18 BignJames  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:40:52am

I’ve lost money I didn’t think I’d ever have…..and now I don’t.

19 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:41:44am
20 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:42:06am

Pay no attention to the day to day gyrations of a tracking poll.

It distracts you from paying attention to ME!

/The One.

21 CLLRusso  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:43:09am

re: #11 Cygnus

Up, down; up, down;… . My retirement fund needs an airsick bag and some Dramamine.

Up and down? No, it’s all down and I have no idea since I am retired what I am going to live on. Go back to work again I guess.

22 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:43:10am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?

OMG - am I glad I didn’t have to listen to that crap from both PB0 and Gord. Even the reading of it is beyond painful.

23 Steve Rogers  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:43:26am

Every time Obama speaks he causes the Stock Market to plunge even lower. The solution is obvious: Someone unplug his teleprompter.

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

the problem is that few people are going to tie up their cash in the stock market. We are looking at probably 2 more years of this. Maybe more. Even people who are filthy rich and have cash to spare are going to hold onto it because Obama is making noises about taxing them to pay for social programs. They’re going to hold on to that cash to pay their tax bills.

25 Cygnus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:43:30am

‘Mommy, the Emperor has no clothes!’

‘Hush, dear. Now just keep watching CNN.’

26 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:44:02am

re: #19 MandyManners

That agent should be fired on the spot.

27 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #16 Colonel Panik

Urkelnomics!

He’s getting there, isn’t he …

28 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:44:59am
29 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:45:05am

Italy to boycott Durban 2
FM Frattini tells Livni his country has problems with conference agenda, adds he is canceling visit to Iran

ynetnews.com

Molto Bene.

30 xtraBilly  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:45:21am

The bright side for me is that I’m not going to have any capital gains for Obama to tax.

31 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:45:30am
32 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:45:46am

Somebody should design a poster. Have a milk carton with a picture of Pelosi, Reid and Obama and the caption “Missing - my 401K”

33 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:46:19am
34 Guanxi88  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #3 Russkilitlover

I wish it were a yo-yo, then at least there would be hope for ups to follow downs. But this is just day after day of DOWn, DOWn, DOWn.

Just for you: ELO, “Don’t Bring Me Down”:

Youtube Video

35 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

the problem is that few people are going to tie up their cash in the stock market. We are looking at probably 2 more years of this. Maybe more. Even people who are filthy rich and have cash to spare are going to hold onto it because Obama is making noises about taxing them to pay for social programs. They’re going to hold on to that cash to pay their tax bills.

Hey KT, I’m willing to bet there are a lot of people out there who didn’t bail in their 401ks and are stuck riding this thing out (e.g. turn). My money is stuck in the market so I hope you are wrong about that 2 year thing.

36 BignJames  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:47:07am

re: #19 MandyManners

Better be tough if you’re gonna be stupid.

37 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Yes, and not spend it, thus not putting people to work.

I design buildings, much of them residences; there is no work right now in my office; that means in a year there will not be 20 construction jobs, not to mention all the material suppliers & component manufacturers will experience a drop.

There is a long term thing going on here.

38 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:47:22am

I actually bought a 10lb bag of rice instead of the usual 3lb bag. My rationale was “just in case”. Obama has no idea how the Dow numbers reflect confidence in him, his policies and the future.

39 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:47:50am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?



“What you’re now seeing is, profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long term perspective on it,”

Beyond his ignoration of PE ratios. He misses the fundamental issue.

The Market is a gauge of confidence in the future of the economy.

The lack of confidence, is a greater consideration than the prospect fo potential bargains.

40 Dan G.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:47:53am

Inflation around the corner?

41 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #34 Guanxi88

Just for you: ELO, “Don’t Bring Me Down”:


[Video]

OK technical question. How do you get the videos to show up on the post?

42 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:48:40am

re: #19 MandyManners You grant a couple border guards clemency and the next thing you know they all go rambo on ya!

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43 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:48:56am

re: #33 MandyManners

He told the guy to turn off the car THREE times. And, this asshole has given the border patrol trouble before. Law enforcement is not required to say “please”.

I actually had a similar incident at the Canadian border, coming back to Seattle from a weekend in Vancouver. US Border police stuck a gun in my face and ordered me to turn off the car and not surprisingly, I did.
Turns out my license plate was one digit off from a reported stolen cars plate.
My mom taught me never to f**k with cops and it served me well.

44 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:49:04am
45 Guanxi88  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:49:07am

re: #41 Ford_Prefect

OK technical question. How do you get the videos to show up on the post?

Asking the wrong guy: i just copy and paste into the posting

46 Dan G.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:49:17am

re: #39 jcm

Isn’t the metaphor for this situation that one is trying to “catch a falling knife”, or have I misunderstood it?

47 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:49:25am

re: #33 MandyManners

He told the guy to turn off the car THREE times. And, this asshole has given the border patrol trouble before. Law enforcement is not required to say “please”.

I thought it was an unnecessary use of force, although I must admit I didn’t realize he had a previous run in with the law.

48 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:50:16am

President Barack Obama is planning to visit Britain, France, Germany and the Czech Republic for his first trip to Europe since taking office.

jpost.com

Well considering the cracker jack job he has done on us so far, why not let Europe share in the good times?

49 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #46 Dan G.

Isn’t the metaphor for this situation that one is trying to “catch a falling knife”, or have I misunderstood it?

That’s apt.

50 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:51:19am
51 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #48 Nevergiveup

President Barack Obama is planning to visit Britain, France, Germany and the Czech Republic for his first trip to Europe since taking office.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Well considering the cracker jack job he has done on us so far, why not let Europe share in the good times?

It will be interesting to see if he gets the kind of adoration that he got the last time?

52 Dan G.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:51:57am

re: #40 Dan G.

There’s more to the picture than this graph, I should have waited until I read more before posting it. Don’t panic.

53 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:52:12am
54 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:52:20am

Time to pay off the equity line ($40k) and re-fi the mortgage down from $224k to $175k. That’ll still leave me between 50 & 100k cash + my dwindling stocks.

55 red satellite  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:52:47am

Dow Jones Industrials….Dow Jones Agriculturals…Dow Jones MiddleAges.

There. Fixed.

56 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:52:50am

It’s laughable that Team Obama® thinks that the DOW has nothing to do with the economy. Tragic, but laughable.

Personally, I’m keeping cardboard boxes so that I can combine them and have the biggest one on the block when we are all living out of them.

57 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:53:12am
58 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #33 MandyManners

Really what kind of self absorbed idiot must this guy be,officers should be polite but the smart thing to do is register your dissatisfaction with his rudeness and comply with his request.

59 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:53:29am

Market *could* make a bottom around here over the next week or six, but it’s very undecided. Per the press of the last few days as Wall Street and MSM start waking up a bit about the cluelessness of Obama and all his little friends (Geithner, Orszag, good grief), a few elements of existential panic are beginning to surface outside of LGF. If these catch on, I dunno where the stock market bottom is, nor when it will recover. I’m not ready to panic yet myself, but this market has been one cascade of oh-this-is-the-bottom for about a year now. Unprecedented in a bunch of ways. Unpredictable by anyone currently on the planet.

60 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:53:46am

Mr. President…it’s NOT WORKING!

Murphy walked into the room on 01/20/09.

61 gonecamping  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:54:08am

The only yo yo analogy I can liken the current market to is ‘walking the dog’.

The market drops on the string and just spins along at the lower level…and Obama holds the string that keeps it from coming back up.

62 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:54:22am

The Obama Daily Tracking Poll……
/Thanks, Rush!

63 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:54:26am
64 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #54 SFGoth

Time to pay off the equity line ($40k) and re-fi the mortgage down from $224k to $175k. That’ll still leave me between 50 & 100k cash + my dwindling stocks.

How are you going to do that? Pay off 40k and end up with a lower mortgage? Man I want your secret.

65 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:55:22am
66 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:55:26am

re: #63 MandyManners

ELITIST!

You’re right - Obama will just tax me more for my ingenuity. Better throw out some of these boxes…

67 aggieann  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:55:30am

re: #1 Diamond Bullet

According to Obama’s Platitudes-to-Experience ratio, this is fantastic news.

Ha!

68 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:55:45am

Some Democrats are starting to wake up.

Still - the Putin in the White House has everyone hood-winked.

69 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:02am
Someone please ask the bears to unclench their fists…

I don’t think it’s their fists that are clinched… you probably need to look a little lower.

70 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:02am

re: #56 Noam Chumpski

I’m keeping cardboard boxes so that I can combine them and have the biggest one on the block when we are all living out of them.

I have a collection of pickle jars. It’ll guarantee me a corner on the sewage and sanitation market.

71 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:44am
72 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #70 DaddyG

I have a collection of pickle jars. It’ll guarantee me a corner on the sewage and sanitation market.

That’ll be illegal - see Urinetown.

73 Drained Brain  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:57am

I bought some good stocks a couple of weeks ago, doing some bottom-feeding when they were exceptional buys, heh-heh. Since then they’ve dropped 17%.

I just feel for all those suffering through this “redistribution” of wealth. Or, as somebody asked elsewhere, will it count in Obama’s job-creation stats if people who would have otherwise retired have to keep working into their 70s?

74 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:00am

re: #48 Nevergiveup

President Barack Obama is planning to visit Britain, France, Germany and the Czech Republic for his first trip to Europe since taking office.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Well considering the cracker jack job he has done on us so far, why not let Europe share in the good times?

Maybe he read that they feel slighted according tothis..

75 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:04am
76 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:11am
77 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:11am

Citigroup shares tumble below $1

Citigroup, a Dow component, fell more than 13 percent to an intraday low of $0.98, hammered by continued fears over the bank’s health and ability to avert nationalization.

About two years ago, Citi’s market value was above $270 billion. Today its market cap is a little over $5.4 billion.

78 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:22am
79 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:24am

re: #75 Ford_Prefect

Your text to link…

testing

Nope, didn’t work.

80 aggieann  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:39am

re: #68 FrogMarch

Some Democrats are starting to wake up.

Still - the Putin in the White House has everyone hood-winked.

You could say we’re Putin on the Risk …

81 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #64 turn

How are you going to do that? Pay off 40k and end up with a lower mortgage? Man I want your secret.

Ummm, well, I have more than just $40k cash. It’s basic arithmetic. Some goes to equity, some to mortgage, some to earthquake supplies (I am very derelict on that), some goes to shotgun and ammo, some I bury, and some I leave there on it’s naked own.

82 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:59:18am

re: #72 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That’ll be illegal - see Urinetown.

Good Heavens! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinetown

83 Drained Brain  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #81 SFGoth

Ummm, well, I have more than just $40k cash. It’s basic arithmetic. Some goes to equity, some to mortgage, some to earthquake supplies (I am very derelict on that), some goes to shotgun and ammo, some I bury, and some I leave there on it’s naked own.

It’ll be easy to make a small fortune under Obama. First, start with a large fortune…

84 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:00:17am

re: #57 MandyManners

Even if he’d never been a PITA before, he refused to obey a lawful order three times.

Yes but pepper spray the dude? It sure seems to me the agent lost his temper and over-reacted. Don’t get me wrong, I have utmost respect for the law. That is all … lunch calls. BBL (I hope - the big guy is in the office and layoffs are the topic)

85 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:00:21am

Anyone one see Gordon Brown’s embarrassing groveling that the U.S. Congress, dominated by petulant children, bail Europe out *a-fucking-gain*? We bailed you out in WWI, WWII, the Marshall Plan, and the Cold War when we were capable of doing so, but you demanded that we elect Obama and now we can’t even pee without getting our shoes wet. Sucks to be you(rope).

86 Jonn Lilyea  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:00:30am

I don’t think it’s the bears’ fists that are clenched.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:14am

re: #68 FrogMarch

Some Democrats are starting to wake up.

Still - the Putin in the White House has everyone hood-winked.

Cramer has making this point as much as he can. It won’t make any difference to Obama, but it might get some other Dems to start putting the brakes on this runaway train.

89 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #34 Guanxi88

Just for you: ELO, “Don’t Bring Me Down”:

Heh. I love that song, but suddenly it has a terrible new meaning.

90 turn  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:32am

re: #81 SFGoth

Oh you got cash. What is that?
/
really now BBL

91 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:40am

re: #78 MandyManners

How many of them are up for reelection in 2010?


I don’t have a count off hand. If Murtha still can’t lose his seat after all of this - then the system is rigged.

92 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:49am

re: #35 turn

Hey KT, I’m willing to bet there are a lot of people out there who didn’t bail in their 401ks and are stuck riding this thing out (e.g. turn). My money is stuck in the market so I hope you are wrong about that 2 year thing.

I’m stuck in the market as well. It’s too late to bail out now. I’d guess we are looking at a year at the very least. Probably 2-3 years.

93 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:02:22am
94 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:02:45am

(mentioned this in the Palin thread) — I spoke with a very influential community business leader today in Boulder. (He is on the board of a major national bank here in town etc…) I asked him what he thought of the run on the banks that occurred back in September before the election. He said that he was certain Soros was behind it and he too thought it was a planned event to help Obama.

95 brent  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:02:45am

This joker (BHO) is running the country like a campaign; shocker, it’s all he knows. Instead of fixing problems, he’s diverting attention - the problem is, at the end of the day, he’s supposed to be in charge.

I’m sorry, an enemies list? Add my name to that, you retirement killing, big-eared loser. Stop focusing on private citizens, stop sending your minions onto blogs and 3rd team cable news shows to push your agit-prop. Fix something besides the mother-in-law suite.

Sorry, I’m a bit salty about the whole trashing the economy thing. Carry on.

96 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:03:01am
97 Earick  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:03:49am

I’ve got it! I’ve got it!

I’m going to stop paying my mortgage and start buying stock!

Yah! Yah! That’s the ticket!

You folks pay for my house and I will pay for my stocks!

Oh, and thanks for all the fish!

98 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:05am
99 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:15am

re: #95 brent

This joker (BHO) is running the country like a campaign; shocker, it’s all he knows. Instead of fixing problems, he’s diverting attention - the problem is, at the end of the day, he’s supposed to be in charge.

I’m sorry, an enemies list? Add my name to that, you retirement killing, big-eared loser. Stop focusing on private citizens, stop sending your minions onto blogs and 3rd team cable news shows to push your agit-prop. Fix something besides the mother-in-law suite.

Sorry, I’m a bit salty about the whole trashing the economy thing. Carry on.

Feel free to be salty, Brent. That bent-headed Commie deserves it.

100 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:19am

I know the phrase “capital strike” is becoming a cliche, but… it’s a capital strike. The MSNBC poll I saw yesterday had Obama at 68% approval, for all his socialism and ineptitude. As long as investors believe that Obama is unchecked, and he is unchecked as of now, the Dow will continue to plummet.

(“Well, it’s rather brutal here. Right now we are advising all our clients to put everything they’ve got into canned food and shotguns!” - Brain Gremlin)

101 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Cramer has making this point as much as he can. It won’t make any difference to Obama, but it might get some other Dems to start putting the brakes on this runaway train.

Cramer can S.T.F.U. He sucked up to Obama and now can just keep his head where the Sun don’t shine.

102 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:33am

I’m out again. BBL

103 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:52am
104 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:55am

Someone explain something to me. I keep hearing that a large part of the population doesn’t even pay income tax. And who the hell may that be? I have an adjusted income of 9050.00 and my tax is still 960.00. And the tax table has tax amounts going down to almost no salary. So, I don’t understand, it seems to me that everyone pays income tax if they had some sort of income.

105 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:05:23am

Posted this on the earlier thread - a little too late - but it probably belongs here anyway:

Mortgage defaults, foreclosures spreading

From the first paragraph:

A stunning 48 percent of the nation’s homeowners who have a subprime, adjustable-rate mortgage are behind on their payments or in foreclosure, and that’s not the worst of it, new data Thursday showed.

To be fair, it’s spreading to fixed-rate holders as well, but it does seem to indicate that - barring a policy that just tells these people they don’t have to pay at all - the “Making Home Affordable” program is just throwing more money at a problem that’s not going to go away.

106 calvin coolidge  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:05:45am

I’m so confused. Indiana University is reporting that the Dow is soaring.

107 sarah  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:05:51am

My prediction is 5000 points and then we’ll start to grow again.

108 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:05:55am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?

Did the Messiah just have his ‘Malaise’ moment?

109 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:15am

Here’s some goodies from my Capitalism YouTube playlist to help encourage some optimism about the market (Long-term optimism is better than no optimism!), or at least give you a smile and a laugh:

By Word of Mouse (1954):
Youtube Video


Heir Conditioned (1955):
Youtube Video


Yankee Dood It (1956):
Youtube Video

110 gonecamping  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:39am

The White House has an Enemies List, I want an Enemas List…for all those politicians (Dem and Rep) that are so full of it their eyes are brown, and keep on spending, spending ,spending!

111 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:48am

re: #105 subsailor68

Posted this on the earlier thread - a little too late - but it probably belongs here anyway:

Mortgage defaults, foreclosures spreading

From the first paragraph:

A stunning 48 percent of the nation’s homeowners who have a subprime, adjustable-rate mortgage are behind on their payments or in foreclosure, and that’s not the worst of it, new data Thursday showed.

To be fair, it’s spreading to fixed-rate holders as well, but it does seem to indicate that - barring a policy that just tells these people they don’t have to pay at all - the “Making Home Affordable” program is just throwing more money at a problem that’s not going to go away.

I’ve talked to some people who CAN pay their subprime mortgage, but who have decided not to so they can get a better deal.

112 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:53am
113 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:57am

This is so fucked up. 44 has got to be scratching his head and saying WTF why me. He has no clue that he and his comrades did this.

114 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:02am
115 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #68 FrogMarch

Some Democrats are starting to wake up.

And I’m ready to knock them back out for the buffoon they foisted on us.

116 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:17am
117 Sheepdogess  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:21am

When the leftover left commies succeed in destroying the country, they are going to find that their “remade” America sucks for them too.

118 tackle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #107 sarah

My prediction is 5000 points and then we’ll start to grow again.

You may be right. Who’d a thunk it.

119 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #101 SFGoth

Cramer can S.T.F.U. He sucked up to Obama and now can just keep his head where the Sun don’t shine.

If Cramer, Brooks, Noonan etc showed up to speak at a Tea Party, it’d go some way toward rehabilitating them in my eyes…

120 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:55am

I read this morning a beautiful description of yesterdays mini rally. To paraphrase, ‘A bounce off a rocky ledge on the cliff face during our freefall’.

121 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:07:59am

re: #98 MandyManners

Maybe he’s learned.

Any asshole who insists that a border guard “say please” before he obeys a lawful request deserves a major kick in the butt.

122 mattm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:08:18am

If Obama wants to help the Economy, jut do nothing. Shut up and sick back will be better than his “solutions.”

123 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:06am
124 gonecamping  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:08am

I don’t know, but everyday he is in office begets Maalox moments for all the heartburn he is causing.


re: #108 CyanSnowHawk

Did the Messiah just have his ‘Malaise’ moment?

125 J Doc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:09am

re: #47 turn

His previous run ins have all involved his “asking” border patrol officers to say please. There is absolutely no reason to exhibit bad manners when dealing with the public…no matter what your level of authority is. We pay their salaries. They are public servants, we are not their servants.

126 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:17am
127 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain something to me. I keep hearing that a large part of the population doesn’t even pay income tax. And who the hell may that be? I have an adjusted income of 9050.00 and my tax is still 960.00. And the tax table has tax amounts going down to almost no salary. So, I don’t understand, it seems to me that everyone pays income tax if they had some sort of income.

A lot of people qualify for tax credits that reduce their liability to zero. Earned Income Credit and child care credits come to mind.

128 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:09:24am
129 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:10:32am

re: #123 JimmyTheClaw

Consider this blog has a mixed audience, and this is not even no where near topic, what the fuck were you thinking by posting this?

130 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:10:33am

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I’ve talked to some people who CAN pay their subprime mortgage, but who have decided not to so they can get a better deal.

Hi Walter! That actually doesn’t surprise me. Even if they’re otherwise solid folks, the mixed messages on the mortgage relief proposals would seem to encourage people to take that kind of approach. Not that it’s something I could do (my dad would come back and kick my butt), but I can see where people might think about it.

131 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:10:54am
132 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:10:56am

DOWn down by 254 - gah, best one can do is bet on how far the DOWn will fall today.

Sorry, folks, I’m just trying to turn my hysteria into hilarity.

133 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:11:09am

MTV Yo.

134 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:11:21am

re: #126 Iron Fist

You are paying FICA, Medicare, and crap like that. With that low an income, though, I’d have thought you would have qualified for the “Earned Income” tax credit. That would have at least pulled you up to even, I’d think.

What’s earned income and where is it?

135 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #119 Zimriel

If Cramer, Brooks, Noonan etc showed up to speak at a Tea Party, it’d go some way toward rehabilitating them in my eyes…

Cramer, Brooks, and Noonan can take an excessive amount of barbiturates for all I care. They cannot be rehabilitated anymore than Chamberlain could have been when he was told that it was time for him to go. Time for you losers to go.

136 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:11:58am

re: #103 MandyManners

I’m wondering if they’re making noise just to placate the voters.

Acorn has it handled. We needn’t even bother to vote.

137 gonecamping  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:11:59am

I think they have dyslexia…left is right and down is up.

re: #106 calvin coolidge

I’m so confused. Indiana University is reporting that the Dow is soaring.

138 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:04am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I was shocked when I started my own business. When you’re working as an employee the taxes (state, fed, social sec, etc) are taken out of your paycheck and there’s nothing you can do about it. You can’t really enough deductions together to get your money back. When you have your own business there are a lot of deductions you can tap that can negate most (or all) of your taxes. Travel, equipment, supplies, shipping, utilities, professional fees are all deductible. If you make a modest income in can be pretty much tax free. However, if you make big bucks as self employed you really get soaked on taxes.

139 Mike McDaniel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:10am

Remember what Reagan taught us….

A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.

A depression is when you lose your job.

And a recovery is when the Democrats in Washington lose THEIR jobs.

140 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:23am

re: #123 JimmyTheClaw

Great joke. Copy and paste better next time.

141 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:26am
142 BignJames  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:29am

re: #114 Iron Fist

Kinda like Ron White sez…” I don’t know how many cops it’ll take to kick my ass…..but I know how many they’re gonna use…”

143 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:53am

re: #126 Iron Fist

You are paying FICA, Medicare, and crap like that. With that low an income, though, I’d have thought you would have qualified for the “Earned Income” tax credit. That would have at least pulled you up to even, I’d think.

No, I am saying that my income tax total was 960, as per the tax table. The other stuff is more money they took out.

144 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:12:59am

re: #113 Erik The Red

This is so fucked up. 44 has got to be scratching his head and saying WTF why me. He has no clue that he and his comrades did this.

Unless you believe (as I increasingly am) that it is an intentional and long-planned action coming to fruition.

145 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:13:05am
146 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:13:15am

Maybe He can hire 2 million people to work his weekly parties.

147 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain something to me. I keep hearing that a large part of the population doesn’t even pay income tax. And who the hell may that be? I have an adjusted income of 9050.00 and my tax is still 960.00. And the tax table has tax amounts going down to almost no salary. So, I don’t understand, it seems to me that everyone pays income tax if they had some sort of income.

If they’re single with no dependent children, that’s true. Your income has to get pretty low before you have no tax liability at all. With dependents, though, it’s a different picture, especially when you factor in the Earned Income Tax Credit.

148 Macker  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:14:31am

re: #118 tackle

As long as БХО keeps his mouth shut.

149 Summer Seale  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:14:31am

Obama’s plan to end capitalism as we know it appears to be working just splendidly….

150 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:15:09am
151 greenmamba  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:15:18am
What you’re now seeing is a politics and earmarks ratios get to the point that like a tracking poll in politics, it bobs down and down day-to-day.

I think the O’Bummer team does understand that the market is saying what it thinks of their policies, but their aim seems to be to force the market to behave and do as it’s told. Or just maybe they want to do away with the stock market altogether. No, that’d be extreme. I know! How about the government allows a certain number of stocks and sets the prices so no-one can lose. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

153 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #135 SFGoth

Cramer, Brooks, and Noonan can take an excessive amount of barbiturates for all I care. They cannot be rehabilitated anymore than Chamberlain could have been when he was told that it was time for him to go. Time for you losers to go.

Chamberlain did, however, support Churchill after 1940; and that does rehabilitate him somewhat. Compare with Edward Heath’s constant backbiting against Thatcher in the 1980s.

154 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:06am

Summer after freshman year, 1986, when I was 18, I worked in the produce dept. of a grocery store (Jumbo Foods, in Actiondale, Va). I took every hour they would give me, and that was at a $4.75/hour base. Some of the guys in their late 20’s/early 30’s who were also hourly, but at a much higher rate of course, almost never worked OT (while I begged for it). I asked them why. To a man, they all said, because they’ll pay a higher tax rate on it but the gov’t doesn’t tax their time off, so they’d rather be out fishing or something than making less for each additional hour worked. That sure opened my eyes to the world (though I still took the OT since I needed the $). Next year, I might renegotiate my salary down and bill less, travel more.

155 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:26am

The market continues its decline today due in large part to the failed policies of the Bush administration.

156 tackle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:38am

re: #144 Russkilitlover

Unless you believe (as I increasingly am) that it is an intentional and long-planned action coming to fruition.

It’s been said before:
“The worse, the better.” -Lenin

157 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:39am

Here’s some more ‘good’ news:
Bank to ‘print’ £75bn of new money as it cuts rate

Yep - the interest rate is now down to 0.5%.
Perhaps we’d better start worrying about having to pay the banks for the priviledge of keeping our money …
Oh - and buy some wheelbarrows - £75bn is peanuts, I tellya, peanuts!

158 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #152 Truck Monkey

I would have beaten him with a night stick.

while shouting respect my authouratah

159 J Doc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:45am

re: #141 MandyManners

You don’t see anything wrong with getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray because you question an officer’s lack of civility? I have learned to question authority, not be complacent to it.

160 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #144 Russkilitlover

Unless you believe (as I increasingly am) that it is an intentional and long-planned action coming to fruition.

I do and I’ve been called a Moby.

161 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #13 Milk in a Box

Don’t worry, it still may be a good time to buy!
Best/Worst Headline Evar?

Nah, I think the worst headline ever had to be from the Mar. 6, 1965 edition of the New York Times: “Albany Kills Bill to Repeal Law Against Birth Control”

Huh?!? It took me about 10 minutes to work out what the headline meant!

162 Macker  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:17:13am

re: #153 Zimriel

Didn’t they call Margaret Thatcher The Milk Snatcher? Why yes, yes they did.

163 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:17:44am
164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #147 lobo91

If they’re single with no dependent children, that’s true. Your income has to get pretty low before you have no tax liability at all. With dependents, though, it’s a different picture, especially when you factor in the Earned Income Tax Credit.

Ok, got it. If I’m poor but single and childless, I get fucked.

165 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:15am
166 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:21am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

It will be interesting to see if he gets the kind of adoration that he got the last time?

Especially in England.

167 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:26am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain something to me. I keep hearing that a large part of the population doesn’t even pay income tax. And who the hell may that be? I have an adjusted income of 9050.00 and my tax is still 960.00. And the tax table has tax amounts going down to almost no salary. So, I don’t understand, it seems to me that everyone pays income tax if they had some sort of income.

First, ignore the 46% of the population figure because it includes children and others who do not earn anything. Among tax filers the figure is 31%, mostly low income, but more then a few of the rich with write offs. For the low income types, here’s how they pay nothing:

“A Portrait of Non-Payers
Individuals and families who will earn enough to file a tax return can eliminate their tax liability by taking advantage of credits and deductions in the tax code. Many of these are familiar to all tax filers: the personal exemption is worth $3,100 in 2004, and the standard deduction is worth $4,850 for singles and $9,700 for married couples. For tax filers who have itemized deductions that exceed the standard deduction, there are the amounts paid for mortgage interest or given to charity as well as various education-related deductions. Business owners can take advantage of an even wider array of credits and deductions to reduce their tax liability.

In 1997, Congress enacted a new $500 per-child tax credit and expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income workers. The 2003 tax cuts increased the value of the child credit to $1,000. These two tax credits – especially the child credit – have had a powerful effect on reducing, and many cases eliminating, the income tax liability for millions of Americans.”

168 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:27am

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

LOL

169 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:59am

re: #110 gonecamping

LOL, I’m not even sure where to start with this one…..

170 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:19:04am

re: #155 Harry Tuttle

The market continues its decline today due in large part to the failed policies of the Bush administration.

Unless your being sarcastic you’ll have to go deeper than that. :)

171 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:19:12am
172 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:19:25am
173 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #145 Iron Fist

Wiorse, he doesn’t get that him standing around with his thumb up his ass and a goofy expression on his face doesn’t instill confidence. He really has drunk his own koolaid. He thinks that since he won, everything is supposed to be all puppydogs and kittens.

And Unicorns. You can’t forget the Unicorns.

(We’re fucked. There’s going to be four years of this)

You know what? I will bitch and moan about 44 until he is kicked out of office. But the USA is still the Strongest/Loudest/and Kick Ass Nation in the World. We will come out of this shit first and be stronger for it.

174 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:20:15am

re: #123 JimmyTheClaw

Sexist pig.

175 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:20:25am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Ok, got it. If I’m poor but single and childless, I get fucked.

Or don’t pay mortgage interest, or have a ton of medical bills, etc.

But basicaly, yeah…

176 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #160 SFGoth

I used to think you were a moby. Now I think you’re just another eccentric lizard. ; P

177 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:20:49am
178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #145 Iron Fist

Wiorse, he doesn’t get that him standing around with his thumb up his ass and a goofy expression on his face doesn’t instill confidence. He really has drunk his own koolaid. He thinks that since he won, everything is supposed to be all puppydogs and kittens.

And Unicorns. You can’t forget the Unicorns.

(We’re fucked. There’s going to be four years of this)

We’re f*cked. The puppies & kittens are f*cked. And so are the unicorns.

179 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #155 Harry Tuttle
Was that supposed to have sarc tags?

180 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:21:53am
181 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #155 Harry Tuttle

Forget a sarc tag?

182 Gearhead  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:04am

I’m down to Change. Where’s my Hope?

183 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:04am

re: #179 DaddyG

That’s a given. Until at least 2012 all comments are sarcastic.

184 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:38am

re: #171 MandyManners

Huh?

yes fer chrisakes its sarcasm.

185 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:38am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I don’t think so. That would mean that companies would pay you to own their stock. It would be like a grocery store giving you money to take food.

Fingers crossed - I hope Safeway does that!

186 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:42am

re: #123 JimmyTheClaw

Dinged down.

Not for content, just for leaving those damn email forwarding spaces in place.

187 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:22am

I wonder if there’s a low number the market could hit that would cause 0bama to reassess his economic policies? Dow 6000? 5000? 4000?

I think it’s more likely that the change in economic policies will have something to do with the number 2010.

188 brent  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:25am

Now that I think about it, didn’t Hillary have her own little enemies list? What did she call the private dicks she used to go after Bill’s little indiscretions - a tramp squad?

I feel like a 70s era yippie - I’d consider it a badge of honor to be on these cats’ enemies list.

Maybe they should investigate Rove for firing attorneys - that seems like a good plan for turning it all around.

Anyone else shopping for a pitchfork? Very salty.

189 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:29am
190 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:34am
191 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:45am

re: #184 Harry Tuttle

yes fer chrisakes its sarcasm.

I mean who would possible say such a thing and actually mean it?

Really?

192 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #184 Harry Tuttle

yes fer chrisakes its sarcasm.

I knew it! I knew it! Best Guesser? This guy.

193 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:00am

“Stock Market Yo-Yo Watch”

It’s not a yo-yo anymore when the string is broken. It’s a rock.

194 RaiderDan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:02am

As Jodi Miller on NewsBusted said “We all knew Obama wanted to confiscate wealth, we didn’t know he wanted to eliminate it altogether.”

Obama Daily Tracking Poll indeed.

The biased MSM polls on Obama’s approval rating (which oversample Democrats all the time and probably include lots of Henrietta Hughes types) will soon catch up with the Dow, and when gasoline creeps back up to $3 a gallon.

Obama will have about six more weeks of blaming Bush, and then it’ll look like whining.

195 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:12am

re: #157 yma o hyd

Here’s some more ‘good’ news:
Bank to ‘print’ £75bn of new money as it cuts rate

Yep - the interest rate is now down to 0.5%.
Perhaps we’d better start worrying about having to pay the banks for the priviledge of keeping our money
Oh - and buy some wheelbarrows - £75bn is peanuts, I tellya, peanuts!

Well, I have to take my money out of Citizen’s Bank because they’re doing just that - I just keep some money in accounts there, and don’t do much with it, so they charge a $5/month fee.
Screw them, I’m taking all the money to a different bank.

196 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:14am
197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:18am

re: #188 brent

Now that I think about it, didn’t Hillary have her own little enemies list? What did she call the private dicks she used to go after Bill’s little indiscretions - a tramp squad?

Clinton’s dick isn’t really private.

198 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:54am

re: #191 Harry Tuttle

I mean who would possible say such a thing and actually mean it?

Really?

99.99% of Obama supporters.

199 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:08am

re: #186 CyanSnowHawk

Dinged down.

Not for content, just for leaving those damn email forwarding spaces in place.

Oh- I fully dinged it down for content.

200 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:16am
201 kafir lover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:17am

re: #144 Russkilitlover

Unless you believe (as I increasingly am) that it is an intentional and long-planned action coming to fruition.

The one thing that Obama has demonstrated is consistency in socialist/ultra-liberal philosophy. I think we have completely underestimated the intent of his administration which has no interest in preserving US economic independence, but rather to build a global new deal - the foundation of western democracy is in fact a hindrance for them achieving such a goal. These folks are not stupid, they are socialist idealogues who resent the very foundations upon which our country stands.

202 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:21am
203 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #191 Harry Tuttle

I mean who would possible say such a thing and actually mean it?

Really?

Harry Reid…Nancy Pelosi…Ted Kennedy…Barack Obama…Joe Biden…their minions in the MSM…Avanti…

204 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:10am

re: #186 CyanSnowHawk

Dinged down.

Not for content, just for leaving those damn email forwarding spaces in place.

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205 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:21am

re: #172 Iron Fist

It’s just a term to me. My mom works at H&R Block, so she does my taxes every year. The Earned Income tax credit is one of those redistribution of wealth mechanisms built into the tax code. I’ve gotten it on a couple of really bad years, and it amounts to some money. Like I said, it’ll probably bring you up to even at least.

Got it, thanks. Did it, no I don’t qualify.

206 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:37am

re: #159 J Doc

You don’t see anything wrong with getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray because you question an officer’s lack of civility? I have learned to question authority, not be complacent to it.

It was the alien’s refusal to obey the border guard’s legal request which prompted the officer’s somewhat enthusiastic response. But don’t use the officer’s response to excuse the asshole’s illegal and provocative conduct.

207 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:41am

Can we drive the stock market back to 1997 levels?
Yes, We Can!

Can we destroy the economy by forcing taxpayers to subsidize those who make bad economic decisions?
Yes, We Can!

208 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:49am

re: #191 Harry Tuttle

I mean who would possible say such a thing and actually mean it?

Really?

You’ve never been to a college campus, have you?

209 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:26:55am
210 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:05am

re: #193 Kenneth

“Stock Market Yo-Yo Watch”

It’s not a yo-yo anymore when the string is broken. It’s a rock.

It’s the type of yo-yo with knots in the string, so the only thing it’s good for is dragging along the ground, and that’s about what we’re seeing.

211 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #157 yma o hyd

Here’s some more ‘good’ news:
Bank to ‘print’ £75bn of new money as it cuts rate

Yep - the interest rate is now down to 0.5%.
Perhaps we’d better start worrying about having to pay the banks for the priviledge of keeping our money …
Oh - and buy some wheelbarrows - £75bn is peanuts, I tellya, peanuts!

That’s a sure fire sign the gov’t is moving to a pro-inflation policy. The only other choice is a rapid deflation, which would lead to widespread default and a collapse of the British pound.

212 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:29am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Oh- I fully dinged it down for content.

Come on Sharmuta. I have posted worse on the LNDT. Wrong place wrong time maybe.

Good afternoon BTW.

213 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:31am

re: #35 turn

Hey KT, I’m willing to bet there are a lot of people out there who didn’t bail in their 401ks and are stuck riding this thing out (e.g. turn). My money is stuck in the market so I hope you are wrong about that 2 year thing.

My 401K was dropping so much last October, I cashed out.

214 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:32am
215 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:32am
216 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:52am

re: #155 Harry Tuttle

The market continues its decline today due in large part to the failed policies of the Bush administration.

The failure of the policy initiative to fix Fannie and Freddie has really hurt us.

217 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #194 RaiderDan

As Jodi Miller on NewsBusted said “We all knew Obama wanted to confiscate wealth, we didn’t know he wanted to eliminate it altogether.”

Obama Daily Tracking Poll indeed.

The biased MSM polls on Obama’s approval rating (which oversample Democrats all the time and probably include lots of Henrietta Hughes types) will soon catch up with the Dow, and when gasoline creeps back up to $3 a gallon.

Obama will have about six more weeks of blaming Bush, and then it’ll look like whining.

Too late - he and the democrats own the economic issue ever since the stimulus bill passed.

218 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:10am
219 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:17am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

There’s a “pube-lick servant” joke in there that probably shouldn’t be made.

If you don’t make that joke, then I won’t make my “polling the electorate” joke.

220 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #187 Sharmuta

I wonder if there’s a low number the market could hit that would cause 0bama to reassess his economic policies? Dow 6000? 5000? 4000?

I think it’s more likely that the change in economic policies will have something to do with the number 2010.

Crashing the market is according to plan. When it’s bad enough watch for the 401(K) and Pension “bailout” socialization to be resurrected in the name of helping all those in the middle class destroyed by EVIL Wall Street.

Manufacture the crisis. (Cloward Piven)
Use the crisis. (Emmanuel)

221 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:24am

re: #208 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You’ve never been to a college campus, have you?

Crap, forgot the sarc tag on that one as well.

Why can’t you tell I am being sarcastic by the snarky smirk on my face?

222 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Oh- I fully dinged it down for content.

As did I.

223 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:39am
224 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:28:58am
225 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:29:11am

-270.81

226 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:29:11am

re: #38 snowcrash

I actually bought a 10lb bag of rice instead of the usual 3lb bag. My rationale was “just in case”. Obama has no idea how the Dow numbers reflect confidence in him, his policies and the future.

Some lefties are giddy about the Dow falling - they have no clue about what this really means.

227 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:29:35am
228 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:29:50am

re: #215 Iron Fist

Obama believes his own cult of personality. I don’t think he sees the real world at all anymore. So nothing is going to change his policy. His policy is working, you see. It’s just that the goddamn financial markets don’t see what a fucking genius he is.

[/NO Sarc. Not even a little]

Slight correction: It’s just that 0bama thinks that the goddamn financial markets don’t see what a fucking genius he is.

Believe me, the financial markets see exactly what type of genius he is, which is why we’re seeing the levels we’re seeing.

229 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:29:55am
230 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:30:25am

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I have to teach in a couple of hours—so yes, absolutely.

Just get it in a to go cup.

/don’t want to spill any

231 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:30:28am

After just one day following a minor rally on Wall Street the stock market is back on track following the Obama decent. This follows another day of hyperactivity from the Obama administration announcing another round of proposed regulations and increased government spending all that will impact businesses and decrease the future of an already diminishing GDP.

Instead of delaying his proposed communist socialist policies he has decided to pursue these enormously expensive and regulatory policies during an economic downturn of historic proportions. At the very least, the most prudent course of action would have been to delay these socialist policies until well after the recovery has taken place. The logical course of action is to not pursue these policies. However, the Obama administration does not deal with logic or common sense and instead has chosen to pursue an emotional route.

232 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:30:42am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

-270.81

OT- quick opinion on last night’s episode?

233 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:30:47am
234 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:01am

re: #226 debutaunt

Some lefties are giddy about the Dow falling - they have no clue about what this really means.

It means we are that much closer to the real revolution, comrade.

235 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #226 debutaunt

Some lefties are giddy about the Dow falling - they have no clue about what this really means.

You’ve got that right. Someone here (can’t remember, sorry) posted some quotes from Kos a couple of days ago. They were unbelievable….all about greed, people getting what they deserve in the market, etc.

Wonder if any of them have retirement plans, IRA’s, 401(k)’s?

Hmm..what am I asking - it’s self-evident.

;-)

236 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:32am

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

237 bolivar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #91 FrogMarch

I don’t have a count off hand. If Murtha still can’t lose his seat after all of this - then the system is rigged.

No the populace has too many um, uh derelict chromosomes in the gene pool….politely saying the people iz stoopud.

238 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:44am
239 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:51am

re: #218 MandyManners

Mint julep time?

Youtube Video

240 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:31:59am
241 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:02am

re: #229 MandyManners

Watch out or Otingoc will call you just as loony as Code Pink and Alex Jones.

How many “coincidences” does it take to convince a Cog?

242 gonecamping  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:02am

I have absolutely NO Respect for any so called intellectual that was all ga ga over Obama and is now becoming disillusioned. They should have Known Better from the git go.

Having said that, I do like the concept of Kramer et al becoming ‘useful idiots’. Idiots because they were partly responsible for Obama getting elected, and useful idiots because perhaps they might influence some of the ”sheep’ they had earlier influenced.

Like it or not, Obama is in office and we will need a ground swell throughout the country to try and curb the impending socialism he plans to impose on us. We cannot rely on conservatives to get the word out because most of the people on the street who voted for Obama will flat out not listen to reason from the typical conservative voice. It is the Left Leaning pundits who had earlier praised Obama that we truly need to try and ‘knock some sense’ into ‘the most uninformed voting base in history’.

Yes, Cramer and others sucked up to Obama before…and I would bet there are people who voted for Obama based on that! If these same mouthpieces can inform their audience that Obama is not what he portrayed himself, then perhaps folks who automatically tune out conservative voices will listen and finally see the light.

So rather than tossing Cramer and others under the bus, let the Useful Idiots preach to, and try to convert the Obamabots….it certainly won’t hurt and just might pay dividends.


re: #101 SFGoth

Cramer can S.T.F.U. He sucked up to Obama and now can just keep his head where the Sun don’t shine.

243 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:05am

re: #54 SFGoth

Time to pay off the equity line ($40k) and re-fi the mortgage down from $224k to $175k. That’ll still leave me between 50 & 100k cash + my dwindling stocks.

Cash going into cds and dvds?

244 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:08am

re: #234 Kenneth

It means we are that much closer to the real revolution, comrade.

I feel like we are going back in time… just looking at the long term market data for the DOW… We’re already back to somewhere around ‘96-‘97… soon enough we’ll be pre-internet era.

245 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:23am

re: #60 jorline

Mr. President…it’s NOT WORKING!

Rotating title?
T-shirt for next GOP or Conservative event?

246 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:31am

re: #235 subsailor68

You’ve got that right. Someone here (can’t remember, sorry) posted some quotes from Kos a couple of days ago. They were unbelievable….all about greed, people getting what they deserve in the market, etc.

Wonder if any of them have retirement plans, IRA’s, 401(k)’s?

Hmm..what am I asking - it’s self-evident.

;-)

Does 7-11 even offer its employees a 401(k) plan?

247 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:32:39am
248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:33:07am

re: #235 subsailor68

You’ve got that right. Someone here (can’t remember, sorry) posted some quotes from Kos a couple of days ago. They were unbelievable….all about greed, people getting what they deserve in the market, etc.

Wonder if any of them have retirement plans, IRA’s, 401(k)’s?

Hmm..what am I asking - it’s self-evident.

;-)

Most people living in their parent’s garage (it’s not a garage, it’s a carriage house!) don’t worry about such things.

249 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:33:13am
250 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:33:48am

re: #206 Spare O’Lake

It was the alien’s refusal to obey the border guard’s legal request which prompted the officer’s somewhat enthusiastic response. But don’t use the officer’s response to excuse the asshole’s illegal and provocative conduct.

I would have told him that since he seems afraid to turn off the car’s engine, it gives me a reasonable suspicion. Please leave the engine on in case it is rigged to a bomb, and pull over there until we get a bomb search team. It will be a couple of hours, and he may NOT get out of the car until it comes.

251 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:33:51am
252 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:33:55am

re: #125 J Doc

His previous run ins have all involved his “asking” border patrol officers to say please. There is absolutely no reason to exhibit bad manners when dealing with the public…no matter what your level of authority is. We pay their salaries. They are public servants, we are not their servants.

I have to call BS Doc! If there are “previous run ins”… this guy is just looking for trouble. I have passed through the borders both north and south. The people that I have dealt with are usually short of word and very direct in what they need to get their jobs done so that we can move on down the road. I don’t take this as rude, just efficient. This Canadian Asshat has a stick up his butt and is looking for reasons to “find” trouble. It’s just a matter of time before he REALLY pisses someone off, and then he will be WISHING he just got pepper sprayed.

253 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #59 itellu3times

Market *could* make a bottom around here over the next week or six, but it’s very undecided. Per the press of the last few days as Wall Street and MSM start waking up a bit about the cluelessness of Obama and all his little friends (Geithner, Orszag, good grief), a few elements of existential panic are beginning to surface outside of LGF. If these catch on, I dunno where the stock market bottom is, nor when it will recover. I’m not ready to panic yet myself, but this market has been one cascade of oh-this-is-the-bottom for about a year now. Unprecedented in a bunch of ways. Unpredictable by anyone currently on the planet.

The markets have a herd mentality, and right now they’re running scared. The bears don’t even know where a bottom is. There are no real safe havens in the market - sectors that are relatively safe compared with the rest of the market because the situation is so badly deteriorated and because the Administration’s policies are anti-business on a fundamental level.

We aren’t going to see the Administration propose corp tax cuts across the board, and they’ll dabble on the margins claiming that they’re cutting corp taxes, but the reality is that they’re busy proposing even more taxes - including carbon emission taxes that will stifle what little manufacturing is left in the country, the costs of which will be borne by all.

The markets have figured out that this Administration isn’t going to help them out anytime soon, and there’s no reason for them to show any confidence in the markets either.

There is going to be a reckoning, especially as some of the biggest names in corporate America are reduced to penny stock status - Citi - or worse - bankrupt - GM. A problem I see is that taking the steps the Adminstration has to delay that reckoning is actually going to make the problem worse - lengthening the recession, deepening the misery, and preventing the markets from adjusting to the new circumstances.

254 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:34:22am
255 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:34:48am

re: #244 Joo-LiZ

I feel like we are going back in time… just looking at the long term market data for the DOW… We’re already back to somewhere around ‘96-‘97… soon enough we’ll be pre-internet era.

It looks more like 1931 to me.

256 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:04am

re: #214 buzzsawmonkey

I love it when you go all Southern Belle.

Bless her heart (which in Southern is a polite introduction to an insult).

257 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:06am

re: #211 Kenneth

That’s a sure fire sign the gov’t is moving to a pro-inflation policy. The only other choice is a rapid deflation, which would lead to widespread default and a collapse of the British pound.

££ is near equity with the Euro already - and the latest news is that food prices are going up.
Inflationary monetary policy with the lowest interest rates ever - well, looks like we’re going to stagflation - just like in the late 1970s. That was another Labour government …
Then came Maggie.

Interesting times.

258 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:07am

re: #246 lobo91

Does 7-11 even offer its employees a 401(k) plan?

LOL! Good point. If you ask them, they’ll probably say something like: “Huh? Oh, you mean that box of Special 401(k) cereal I bought yesterday?”

259 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:12am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

I’d be happy if he’d learn basic economics.

260 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #249 MandyManners

Maybe you don’t tilt your head back enough when you shoot it down.

The grand old drink of the South!
(aka gutrot supremo)

261 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:24am

re: #251 MandyManners

Senator Claghorn!

Ever since I discovered it, “It’s a joke, son!” has become one of my favorite old movies.

262 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:41am
263 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #258 subsailor68

LOL! Good point. If you ask them, they’ll probably say something like: “Huh? Oh, you mean that box of Special 401(k) cereal I bought yesterday?”

No, dude, 401(k) is that window-cleaning stuff.

264 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:28am

re: #226 debutaunt

Some lefties are giddy about the Dow falling - they have no clue about what this really means.

They think it’s okay, their God-Emperor has told them so.

265 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:29am

re: #253 lawhawk

We aren’t going to see the Administration propose corp tax cuts across the board, and they’ll dabble on the margins claiming that they’re cutting corp taxes, but the reality is that they’re busy proposing even more taxes - including carbon emission taxes that will stifle what little manufacturing is left in the country, the costs of which will be borne by all.

Not to mention the effect of the Card Check plan they intend to force down our throats.

266 bolivar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

The Dow drop is what is meant by skid-Marx.

Holy Shitstain Batman!

267 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #241 jcm

How many “coincidences” does it take to convince a Cog?

I would say none. He’s impervious to them. He would just say “Wow” or “Righto” and think you’re crazy, try to change the subject, and get indignant if you call him on his BS.

268 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:56am

re: #261 gmsc

Ever since I discovered it, “It’s a joke, son!” has become one of my favorite old movies.

“The boy’s about as bright as a pound of wet leather.”
/Foghorn Leghorn

269 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:36:56am
270 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:06am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

It goes beyond lame.

The bust of Sir Winston Churchill.
The gift.
The press conference.
The meeting of couples.
The State Dinner.

It’s an out and out insult.

271 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:24am
272 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:25am
273 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:43am

re: #263 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, dude, 401(k) is that window-cleaning stuff.

“It’s what I use to clean the tires on my bike.” - Timmy (Night Asst. Mgr.)

274 Guanxi88  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #218 MandyManners

Mint julep time?

My mother was a Southern Belle and, like her mother & grandmother before her, a true lady. She didn’t curse at all until she was drunk.

275 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:37:50am

re: #262 Iron Fist

Hunker-nomics?

I’m with you. Laying low, spending as little as possible, if I have to buy, get a good [whatever] so at least the thing lasts.

276 ThinkRight  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:38:12am

All of you Racist Whiners need to stop blaming the markets and economy on the Dems (that have controlled both houses) and Obama !
This is all the CEO’s and Bush’s Fault and you know it !
Obama is gonna fix everything including Global Warming !
You all should just shut the He!l up and start conforming !
/libtard off

277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:38:13am

re: #270 jcm

It goes beyond lame.

The bust of Sir Winston Churchill.
The gift.
The press conference.
The meeting of couples.
The State Dinner.

It’s an out and out insult.

There was a State Dinner? Or did the Obamas just give the Browns a gift card to Chilis?

278 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #236 avanti
White House has protocol advisers. The Obamas should make use of the services available. They are our first family and as such they embarrass us all with such gifts.

279 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:38:32am

re: #268 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

“The boy’s about as bright as a pound of wet leather.”
/Foghorn Leghorn

I always liked “sharp as a bowling ball” and “sharp as a sack of wet mice” myself.

Senator Claghorn is the “Allen’s Alley” character that inspired Foghorn Leghorn!

280 Spartacus50  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:38:38am

Pay no attention to these daily fits and starts of the stock market

281 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:01am
282 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #120 CyanSnowHawk

I read this morning a beautiful description of yesterdays mini rally. To paraphrase, ‘A bounce off a rocky ledge on the cliff face during our freefall’.

Wounded cat bounce.

283 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #262 Iron Fist

You are right. The markets don’t lie over time. you may be able to fudge them in the short term (that’s how Soro$ makes his money), but in the end they are a good predictor of what is to come. I just hope to keep my job, and the Girlfriend keeps her job, and we can just hunker down and weather the storm. I could have been in a better position than I am, but I’m doing a lot better than a lot of people.

Sadly, I’m not even sure if I’ll have a job after May, when my current active duty orders run out. They just dumped a pile of new training missions on our plate for units deploying to Afghanistan, while simultaneously warning that we may lose 3/4 of the trainers we have mobilized.

284 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:32am

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

The Dow drop is what is meant by skid-Marx.

EWWWW!

285 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:37am

re: #243 debutaunt

Cash going into cds and dvds?

Marijuana, scotch, and new formal goth/period wear. If we’re going down, I’m going to feel good and look fucking hot along the way.

286 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:39:48am

re: #257 yma o hyd

Low interest rates and an increase in money supply are how a central bank creates inflation. By definition, inflation is what you get when you have too much cash chasing after too few goods (and services). Once inflation really kicks in, the central banks will move to raise interest rates to slow down the inflationary pressure. This is the plan. Obama is working toward it too.

287 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #278 snowcrash

White House has protocol advisers. The Obamas should make use of the services available. They are our first family and as such they embarrass us all with such gifts.

What a terrific point! It does raise the question: are the Obamas simply ignoring these folks, or are they listening to them and not getting it?

288 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:13am

re: #277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There was a State Dinner? Or did the Obamas just give the Browns a gift card to Chilis?

Ha. Gift cards are all the rage in Baltimore. Ask Mrs. Dixon.

289 SunshineGirl  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:15am

The market will recover and rebound if— and when— the Obama Administration does something more than talk. The concept of leadership is completely lost on these liberals.

Oh
Brother
Another
Major mistake
America!

290 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #231 Gus 802

Instead of delaying his proposed communist socialist policies he has decided to pursue these enormously expensive and regulatory policies during an economic downturn of historic proportions. At the very least, the most prudent course of action would have been to delay these socialist policies until well after the recovery has taken place. The logical course of action is to not pursue these policies. However, the Obama administration does not deal with logic or common sense and instead has chosen to pursue an emotional route.

But if the recovery took place, as it would without the Messiah’s interference, it would demonstrate that capitalism is self correcting and we didn’t actually need those socialist policies. That’s the last thing he and his cronies want.

291 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:27am
292 jimzinsocal  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:29am

re: #253 lawhawk

The markets have a herd mentality, and right now they’re running scared. The bears don’t even know where a bottom is. There are no real safe havens in the market - sectors that are relatively safe compared with the rest of the market because the situation is so badly deteriorated and because the Administration’s policies are anti-business on a fundamental level.

We aren’t going to see the Administration propose corp tax cuts across the board, and they’ll dabble on the margins claiming that they’re cutting corp taxes, but the reality is that they’re busy proposing even more taxes - including carbon emission taxes that will stifle what little manufacturing is left in the country, the costs of which will be borne by all.

The markets have figured out that this Administration isn’t going to help them out anytime soon, and there’s no reason for them to show any confidence in the markets either.

There is going to be a reckoning, especially as some of the biggest names in corporate America are reduced to penny stock status - Citi - or worse - bankrupt - GM. A problem I see is that taking the steps the Adminstration has to delay that reckoning is actually going to make the problem worse - lengthening the recession, deepening the misery, and preventing the markets from adjusting to the new circumstances.

I couldnt agree more. I call the “market” the “spoiled child” but it amounts to the same thing.
If the Obama Administration did a bit less “helping”[Citigroup]
And stopped with the daily economic “sermons” perhaps things might settle for awhile.
Also I consider “the market” something of a used car buyer.
Of course theyll perpetuate rumors of “trouble ahead” for a short term ride up.

293 Guanxi88  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:30am

re: #281 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, my family are a little rough around the edges - adds to their charm.

294 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:34am

re: #220 jcm

Crashing the market is according to plan. When it’s bad enough watch for the 401(K) and Pension “bailout” socialization to be resurrected in the name of helping all those in the middle class destroyed by EVIL Wall Street.

Manufacture the crisis. (Cloward Piven)
Use the crisis. (Emmanuel)

The trouble with that is that the market is no longer restricted to just one country.
What looked good for Cloward Piven and looks good for Emmanuel is unfortunately outdated, as far as the ecomony is concerned.
If they keep on this path there won’t be anything for them ro use for thei ‘social rescue’ because all the other economies will be down the drain as well.
No money - no manufacturing - no buyers - even less manufacturing - even less income … endless spiral. Globally.

Stupid LLL asshats.

295 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:43am

re: #277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There was a State Dinner? Or did the Obamas just give the Browns a gift card to Chilis?

Drive thru at Mickey D’s on the way from the airport.

296 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:40:47am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Consider this blog has a mixed audience, and this is not even no where near topic, what the fuck were you thinking by posting this?

No blood in brain.

297 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #278 snowcrash

White House has protocol advisers. The Obamas should make use of the services available. They are our first family and as such they embarrass us all with such gifts.

Obama saw “protocol,” thought it said “proctology” & declined to meet them.

298 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:41:16am
299 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #233 MandyManners

Couple a shots of Southern Comfort, too?

Ugh too. I prefer Speyside comfort ;->

300 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:41:43am
301 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:41:52am

re: #298 MandyManners

Would you explain that for me?

What part?

302 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:42:06am

re: #291 MandyManners

They don’t give a flying fuck.

Hey, the limeys got to meet The One and his lovely consort The Wab. What more could they want?

303 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:42:21am
304 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

OT- quick opinion on last night’s episode?

It was a good episode but not great. I have a problem with Sawyer, they are trying to make him into a hick heart throb so he’s a pretty weak character. I like how Jin’s English varies depending on what time he’s in. It’s a nice touch. I’m also really impressed with the blonde chick who’s Sawyer’s love interest. Her character is a little weak but she’s a very good actress. I spent most of the episode trying to remember where I know the Darma leader from. I think he was the evil guard in the Green Mile. I also think he was Billy in Cuckoo’s Nest.

305 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:42:33am

Been chatting with a friend of mine’s brother. Check out this fine talking point:

The U.S. accounts for 50% of the whole world’s military expenses (this is true year in and year out whether we are at war or not), yet we only account for 4.5% of the world’s population. Think about how much better we would be, as a country, if all that money, year after year, was put to use improving our health care, roads, energy grids, schools, etc.? The Cold War tactics of the KGB created this financial boondoggle. Much like the attacks on 9/11 did because we played into their hands by invading 2 countries and have spent already 1 trillion dollars with nothing to show for it. We, as a country, are reactionary and our enemies know this. Yet we keep playing into their hands and we shoot ourselves in our collective feet….What I am saying is that wars, threats of wars, etc. are big money and can easily be started. The amount of money physically lost during the Iraq war alone would pay for the SCHIP program for a couple of years. It is our love of all things related to war that will be our undoing. Quite an accomplishment for a “Christian” country. I guess someone should of read past Malachi and gotten to the New Testament and the new ethic that replaced an eye for an eye. Oops, I hate pointing out that Christians really are not Christlike, it does bother them so.

So ‘Soviet expansion’ was no real threat. 9/11 and 3000 dead is just playing into their hands… 1 trillion with nothing to show for it…and shooting ourselves in the collective feet…

Are we really a ‘Christian’ nation? We can all worship how we want last time I checked.

What might be your input into this conversation. I am interested.

306 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #270 jcm

It goes beyond lame.

The bust of Sir Winston Churchill.
The gift.
The press conference.
The meeting of couples.
The State Dinner.

It’s an out and out insult.

I don’t see why 0bama needs to be gracious to foreign heads of state- they should feel blessed, blessed!, to be in his presence, you know. That’s gift enough. ////

307 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:43:10am

re: #278 snowcrash

White House has protocol advisers. The Obamas should make use of the services available. They are our first family and as such they embarrass us all with such gifts.

I found the British press reaction, apparently not the first time Brown felt snubbed. GW, gave him a bomber jacket. Still, a boxed set of DVD’s, even one whipped up by Hollywood is even lamer then a jacket. Brown was hoping to get some rock star rub off, and he was blown off.

British Press.

308 brent  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:43:14am

I feel very dumb, all of a sudden - this is the plan, isn’t it?

You can’t push any of this social program stuff thru if and after the economy is back on track, and you can ask for more money later, as long as the economy is in the toilet.

Well played, DumbO-bama…. Well played.

* I think he’s touchy about them ears of his…

309 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:43:34am

The volume to shares traded ratio is out of whack. Just ask ABummer.

310 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:43:46am

re: #290 CyanSnowHawk

Correct. Doing the right thing for the Obama administration would entail following a free-market approach rather than a quasi Leninist approach.

311 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:43:59am

I watched part of Lou Dobbs last night, and he was wondering when we’re going to stop blaming Bush for all our economic woes - and some other Lizard noted CNN barged in with another feature on one of O’s parties.

312 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:44:05am

re: #178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We’re f*cked. The puppies & kittens are f*cked. And so are the unicorns.


Nah. The unicorns are dinner. MMMMM

313 MrSoCal  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:44:18am

My broker Obama said he hopes the market changes direction and I should buy as long as it is with someone else’s money.

314 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #306 Sharmuta

I don’t see why 0bama needs to be gracious to foreign heads of state- they should feel blessed, blessed!, to be in his presence, you know. That’s gift enough. ////

I was going to write almost the same thing in response to re: #302 Kenneth

Hey, the limeys got to meet The One and his lovely consort The Wab. What more could they want?

315 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:44:48am

re: #308 brent

I feel very dumb, all of a sudden - this is the plan, isn’t it?

You can’t push any of this social program stuff thru if and after the economy is back on track, and you can ask for more money later, as long as the economy is in the toilet.

Well played, DumbO-bama…. Well played.

* I think he’s touchy about them ears of his

Speaking of which…I think they’ve been altered.

316 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:12am

OT, but our world seems to be getting stranger and stranger:

Stranger Shows Up at Funeral, Hits Dead Man

From the article:

When deputies asked the woman why she acted the way she did, the woman said “she felt that it was the right thing to do at the time,” according to the report. The woman told deputies she knew no one at the church, according to the report.

(I wonder if she’s dating the moron at the Canadian border?)

317 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

Been chatting with a friend of mine’s brother. Check out this fine talking point:
“Quite an accomplishment for a “Christian” country. I guess someone should of read past Malachi and gotten to the New Testament and the new ethic that replaced an eye for an eye. Oops, I hate pointing out that Christians really are not Christlike, it does bother them so.”


Are we really a ‘Christian’ nation? We can all worship how we want last time I checked.

What might be your input into this conversation. I am interested.

I read the NT once, on my second time now & still haven’t found the part that says that the best way to bring about the Kingdom of God is to hand over all power to a secular state.

318 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:19am

re: #287 subsailor68

What a terrific point! It does raise the question: are the Obamas simply ignoring these folks, or are they listening to them and not getting it?

I wonder if it was not done on purpose so as to not help Brown politically. I have no idea of the politics involved.

319 ThinkRight  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #310 Gus 802

Correct. Doing the right thing for the Obama administration would entail following a free-market approach rather than a quasi Leninist approacha resignation.


Sorry I had to correct you

320 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:42am
321 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:48am

re: #300 MandyManners

That’s the spirit!

www.galleryserpentine.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=262
in black with galleryserpentine.com
and those black/grey stripey morning pants from late 19th c. and boots, + top hat and shotgun. ;->

(if the links violate posting rules, please delete)

322 Wendya  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:52am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

Obama has protocol officers who are supposed to instruct the Obamas in their dealings with foreign leaders. Apparently, he told them to take a hike.

Nothing like simultaneously insulting the citizens of another country while embarrassing your own.

323 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:45:58am

re: #294 yma o hyd

The trouble with that is that the market is no longer restricted to just one country.
What looked good for Cloward Piven and looks good for Emmanuel is unfortunately outdated, as far as the ecomony is concerned.
If they keep on this path there won’t be anything for them ro use for thei ‘social rescue’ because all the other economies will be down the drain as well.
No money - no manufacturing - no buyers - even less manufacturing - even less income … endless spiral. Globally.

Stupid LLL asshats.

As I’ve said before, if this goes beyond a certain point, you can go right on ahead and welcome the Obamadepression. This will be like the 1930s. There will be no rescue because as bad off as America could be, other places will have it much, much worse. And don’t look to China for help either. We go down, they go down. Europe’s on the brink of breaking their banks, and Japan’s no better off either. I fear it may be a rocky two or three years at the least. I use the term Obamadepression because I want to make him own it a la Hoover and 1929.

324 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:46:25am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Hey I am one season behind here. NO SPOILING PLEASE.

325 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #319 ThinkRight

Sorry I had to correct you

Thanks. I was being kind. Following resignation should be deportation. Perhaps, Cuba.

/

326 opinionated  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:47:38am

A few news reports I saw yesterday credited Obama for the rally based on his [mangled] buy recommendation.

So I guess today will be blamed on Obama! Or not.

327 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:47:57am

re: #316 subsailor68

OT, but our world seems to be getting stranger and stranger:

Stranger Shows Up at Funeral, Hits Dead Man

From the article:

When deputies asked the woman why she acted the way she did, the woman said “she felt that it was the right thing to do at the time,” according to the report. The woman told deputies she knew no one at the church, according to the report.

(I wonder if she’s dating the moron at the Canadian border?)

What Napoleon said about invading Russia, or why Bill Cosby said about having five kids.

328 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:14am
329 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:16am

re: #287 subsailor68

What a terrific point! It does raise the question: are the Obamas simply ignoring these folks, or are they listening to them and not getting it?

The permanent WH staff knows how the protocols work, and what goes into a State visit.

This tells me Obama’s staff over ruled the recommendations of the permanent staff.

Somebody made a decision to do things this way.

Why?

330 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:17am

re: #314 jcm

That’s because GMTA. These foreign mortals are lucky they’ve been allowed to bask in the glory of The 0ne™.

331 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #289 SunshineGirl

The market will recover and rebound if— and when— the Obama Administration does something more than talk. The concept of leadership is completely lost on these liberals.

Oh
Brother
Another
Major mistake
America!

Oh
Brother
Are we going screwed to the point that
My bottom is sore.
And I really have no idea what to do about it because my letters and faxes are all falling on deaf ears from politicians who are just grateful to be employed at a job for the next year or so….

O.B.A.M.A.a.e?

332 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:35am
333 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:38am

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

Sand People -
Ask your friend to Google the Muslim Brotherhood, and note when it was founded.
Have him Google Sayid Qtub.
Was it Kruschev that said he’d bury us? Here:

Yeah, we DO need defense.

334 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #324 Erik The Red

Sorry.

335 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:48:47am

re: #322 Wendya

re: #329 jcm

GMTA!

336 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:07am

As I write this, the market is at 6,629.96, a level last seen on Jan. 10, 1997.

Back then, Yassir Arafat was still alive, and Bill Clinton was getting ready to be sworn in as president for his second term.

Here in Las Vegas, the Hacienda had just been imploded, and construction was beginning on the same lot to build the Mandalay Bay. The Sands had also been imploded so that construction could begin on the Venetian.

People were still talking about JonBenét Ramsey, who had just been killed in her parents’ basement on the day after Christmas ‘96.

In business, two of the most common topics were Apple’s purchase of NeXT, and Alan Greenspan’s speech from just over a month before in which he claimed the market unduly escalated asset values due to “irrational exuberence”.

337 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:27am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It was a good episode but not great. I have a problem with Sawyer, they are trying to make him into a hick heart throb so he’s a pretty weak character. I like how Jin’s English varies depending on what time he’s in. It’s a nice touch. I’m also really impressed with the blonde chick who’s Sawyer’s love interest. Her character is a little weak but she’s a very good actress. I spent most of the episode trying to remember where I know the Darma leader from. I think he was the evil guard in the Green Mile. I also think he was Billy in Cuckoo’s Nest.

Guard correct. Billy Bibbit was played by Brad Dourif.

Last night episode (IMHO) was a set up episode for the second half of the season. It was a housekeeping exercise. Get everyone placed (some in 1977, some in 2009, some in ?), different “whens” same place. And now we know what the basic plot arc for the next 8 episodes, get the survivors back together.

Which, I suspect will be up to Desmond, since he seems to be special and can bounce between time lines.

It’s all like a record (the Island) and the time lines are the songs. You can only be in one time line at a time. No paradoxes.

That’s why Ben is in 2009, on the Hydra Island. Because “young Ben” is part of Dharma, circa 1977.

Did you see the statue of Nut or Anabis (I think it’s Nut)?

338 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #286 Kenneth

Low interest rates and an increase in money supply are how a central bank creates inflation. By definition, inflation is what you get when you have too much cash chasing after too few goods (and services). Once inflation really kicks in, the central banks will move to raise interest rates to slow down the inflationary pressure. This is the plan. Obama is working toward it too.

That is the plan indeed.
Pity the Bank of England didn’t do this (raise interest rates) when we had this enormous housing boom, on top of the huge amount of personal debts.
Erm, well, Gord wanted the happy boom times to go on …
So what guarantees do we ahve that they’ll follow the plan now?

And lets not forget that in the meantime, the working people, the so-called, much derided middle class will have been impoverished, as will all the pensioners who see their savings and stocks and bonds shrivel on a daily basis. Many of us who rely on that little extra income are looking at pretty hard times.

339 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #203 lobo91

Harry Reid…Nancy Pelosi…Ted Kennedy…Barack Obama…Joe Biden…their minions in the MSM…Avanti…

Cognito…..

340 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:39am

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you are someone else can start a “Burma Shave” series regarding the antics of El Presidente Obama.

341 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:49am

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz you should publish.

The Collected Works of Buzzsawmonkey!

342 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:49:59am
343 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #324 Erik The Red

Hey I am one season behind here. NO SPOILING PLEASE.

Skip my post above.

344 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:15am

re: #316 subsailor68

OT, but our world seems to be getting stranger and stranger:

Stranger Shows Up at Funeral, Hits Dead Man

From the article:

When deputies asked the woman why she acted the way she did, the woman said “she felt that it was the right thing to do at the time,” according to the report. The woman told deputies she knew no one at the church, according to the report.

(I wonder if she’s dating the moron at the Canadian border?)

Perhaps she needed a good stiff belt?

345 mockery jones  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:18am

so what are the chances when all is said and done that ‘Obama’ becomes a verb meaning to lay economic waste to the nation you have been charged to support and defend?

346 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #317 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I read the NT once, on my second time now & still haven’t found the part that says that the best way to bring about the Kingdom of God is to hand over all power to a secular state.

That does seem to be absent, I agree.

347 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:20am

re: #285 SFGoth

Marijuana, scotch, and new formal goth/period wear. If we’re going down, I’m going to feel good and look fucking hot along the way.

You need to post a picture.

348 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:28am

re: #23 Steve Rogers

Every time Obama speaks he causes the Stock Market to plunge even lower. The solution is obvious: Someone unplug his teleprompter.

The Politico just said that Obama IS his TelePrompTer. if it did get unplugged, Obama might just melt down on air and start sucking his thumb.

349 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:30am

I hear the Biden and the union big wigs are living it up in Florida at the AFL-CIO convention. We’re paying for parties everywhere.

Because of the damn right wing leaning media I can’t find a link.

350 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Sorry.

NP. I love that show and have to watch each episode at least twice to keep up. (I am not to clever).

351 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #329 jcm

The permanent WH staff knows how the protocols work, and what goes into a State visit.

This tells me Obama’s staff over ruled the recommendations of the permanent staff.

Somebody made a decision to do things this way.

Why?

I think the 0bamas operate on a similar plane as the clintons- it’s their way or the highway.

The difference is that the clintons knew how to play the game better- they would give an inch here and there because they knew they’d take a mile later.

The 0bamas seem to work on the “our way or the highway” philosophy and they do it by burning bridges.

352 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #318 avanti

I wonder if it was not done on purpose so as to not help Brown politically. I have no idea of the politics involved.

That may be an underlying cause, but I’m with you in not knowing what benefit Obama gets from trashing Brown. Unless it was Brown’s call for “globalism”?

353 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:51:22am
354 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #348 Zimriel

The Politico just said that Obama IS his TelePrompTer. if it did get unplugged, Obama might just melt down on air and start sucking his thumb.

When can we start calling him Hal Obama 9000?

355 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

Whoa, lame. But what a terrific symbol of Obama’s depth.

He was prolly like, “HMMMS? What?”

356 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:08am

re: #321 SFGoth

You’ll go in style, that’s for sure.

357 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:11am

re: #329 jcm

Exactly…posted a reply to Avanti on that very question.

358 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:12am

DOW now off -254 with another hour of trading to go. Here’s a suggestion for NY Lizards buy a little antacid stand and set up right outside the NYSE.

359 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #285 SFGoth

Marijuana, scotch, and new formal goth/period wear. If we’re going down, I’m going to feel good and look fucking hot along the way.

“This isn’t flying, it’s falling, with style.”

360 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #337 Walter L. Newton

Guard correct. Billy Bibbit was played by Brad Dourif.

Last night episode (IMHO) was a set up episode for the second half of the season. It was a housekeeping exercise. Get everyone placed (some in 1977, some in 2009, some in ?), different “whens” same place. And now we know what the basic plot arc for the next 8 episodes, get the survivors back together.

Which, I suspect will be up to Desmond, since he seems to be special and can bounce between time lines.

It’s all like a record (the Island) and the time lines are the songs. You can only be in one time line at a time. No paradoxes.

That’s why Ben is in 2009, on the Hydra Island. Because “young Ben” is part of Dharma, circa 1977.

Did you see the statue of Nut or Anabis (I think it’s Nut)?

Come on Walter. Please post a DO NOT READ for Erik The Red.//

361 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:22am
362 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:34am
363 kafir lover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:34am

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

We are no longer a Christian nation, but secularist. There was a recent statistic, which I’d have to search for, but estimated that despite the number of people who claim to be Christian there was around 9% who actually believed the biblical depiction of Christ. This means there are plenty of Christian culturalists, and based on a general survey of my neighborhood and workplace, I would say that’s about right.

364 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:35am

re: #350 Erik The Red

NP. I love that show and have to watch each episode at least twice to keep up. (I am not to clever).

I hope you skipped my post above. Now that I know you are a fan and you are a season behind, I won’t chatter about the show when I see you online.

365 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:48am

re: #349 jorline

I hear the Biden and the union big wigs are living it up in Florida at the AFL-CIO convention. We’re paying for parties everywhere.

Because of the damn right wing leaning media I can’t find a link.

and some asshat union guy says “we’re working 12-14 hour days.”

Bwwaaahaaahaaaaahaaaaa.

366 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:52:51am

re: #351 Sharmuta

I think the 0bamas operate on a similar plane as the clintons- it’s their way or the highway.

The difference is that the clintons knew how to play the game better- they would give an inch here and there because they knew they’d take a mile later.

The 0bamas seem to work on the “our way or the highway” philosophy and they do it by burning bridges.

That’s OK. Stimulus money will be used to fix those bridges & make new jobs.
/

367 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:04am

And on that note, I’ve got to bail again - goodbye Lizards, if I can’t come back later I’ll see you tomorrow.

368 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #354 Gus 802

When can we start calling him Hal Obama 9000?

I’m afraid I can’t do that, Dave.

369 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

How nice for all of us that it reflects on this country.

370 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:29am

re: #333 Chicago Blonde

Sand People -
Ask your friend to Google the Muslim Brotherhood, and note when it was founded.
Have him Google Sayid Qtub.
Was it Kruschev that said he’d bury us? Here:

Yeah, we DO need defense.

I will have to do that. I just hate the tone of, “It’s all our fault!” Guilt. Self Loathing. Redistribute wealth to help them feel good. “Maybe if we disarmed EVERYONE would LOVE US AGAIN!”… blah blah blah…

371 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

Hi, Sand People! I think you’re friend’s brother needs a tutorial in the responsibilities of the federal government under the Constitution, vs. his bleeding ponytail wish list. I won’t even start on his Christian-bashing. Wouldn’t be Christian of me.

372 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:41am

re: #366 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That’s OK. Stimulus money will be used to fix those bridges & make new jobs.
/

Shovel ready. For the grave.

373 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:48am

re: #360 Erik The Red

Come on Walter. Please post a DO NOT READ for Erik The Red.//

Did you see my other comments above, I tried to warn you. You didn’t post your “don’t spoil it” comment until AFTER I posted.

374 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #337 Walter L. Newton

Did you see the statue of Nut or Anabis (I think it’s Nut)?

A quick google search shows anubis has 5 toes. Not sure about Nut.

375 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #351 Sharmuta

I think the 0bamas operate on a similar plane as the clintons- it’s their way or the highway.

The difference is that the clintons knew how to play the game better- they would give an inch here and there because they knew they’d take a mile later.

The 0bamas seem to work on the “our way or the highway” philosophy and they do it by burning bridges.

In a word….

Arrogance.

376 MikeAlv77  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #126 Iron Fist

You are paying FICA, Medicare, and crap like that. With that low an income, though, I’d have thought you would have qualified for the “Earned Income” tax credit. That would have at least pulled you up to even, I’d think.

The EIC for a single person tops out at about $7200.. he wouldn’t get it

( I volunteer doing tax returns for low income people - VITA Program )

377 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:02am

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

Been chatting with a friend of mine’s brother. Check out this fine talking point:

So ‘Soviet expansion’ was no real threat. 9/11 and 3000 dead is just playing into their hands… 1 trillion with nothing to show for it…and shooting ourselves in the collective feet…

Are we really a ‘Christian’ nation? We can all worship how we want last time I checked.

What might be your input into this conversation. I am interested.


I’d say he typifies the sort of capitalist of whom we can now say, to paraphrase Lenin and make it more appropriate for our times, that if he were the last infidel, he’d be comfortable to sell the sabre to the jihadist with which he’d be decapitated.

378 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:06am

re: #365 SasquatchOnSteroids

and some asshat union guy says “we’re working 12-14 hour days.”

Bwwaaahaaahaaaaahaaaaa.

But he forgot to add: “a year”.

;-)

379 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Your post was crawling, and it stunk!
But of all the dead thread junk
I’m most grateful for that post from buzz-monkee

380 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:16am

Lemme See Now -

For about $10 on can own a share of GM, Ford, Citigroup, and Bank of America, and get change. Makes the lunch specials at TGIF and Appleby’s sound expensive.

-S-

381 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:23am

re: #361 Iron Fist

So I take it this guy survived his partial birth abortion? ‘Cause it looks like they done sucked his brain right out of his head…

But but but…has a degree in Philosophy!

382 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:27am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

Thank You. Chat all you want. If you see me just give a warning.:)

383 Rancher  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:37am

There is a rule of thumb that a market that has declined 50% will decline another 50%. Look to the Dow to drop to 3500.

384 opinionated  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:51am

Anyone see The Daily Show last night?

The first part of the show was an all out attack on CNBC for daring to question our dear omnipotent leader.

385 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:55:01am

re: #374 Killgore Trout

I’m off line about LOST while Erik is here. Don’t want to spoil it for him. I’ll talk to you in two years about it. LOL.

386 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #375 jcm

In a word….

Arrogance.

Like seeing him waiting to go into the House for his speech- he had his nose in the air.

387 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:55:34am

re: #382 Erik The Red

Thank You. Chat all you want. If you see me just give a warning.:)

Well, at least you and I will have something to talk about in two years.

388 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:55:59am

re: #383 Rancher

There is a rule of thumb that a market that has declined 50% will decline another 50%. Look to the Dow to drop to 3500.

I hope your rule of thumb is up your ass///

389 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #354 Gus 802

When can we start calling him Hal Obama 9000?

Gus -

When the Dow goes back over 9000, I will credit President Obama with as much common sense as “HAL.”

-S-

390 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:56:33am

re: #384 opinionated

Anyone see The Daily Show last night?

The first part of the show was an all out attack on CNBC for daring to question our dear omnipotent leader.

Jon Stewart: Democrat Tool Extraordinaire

391 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:56:36am

re: #370 Oh no…Sand People!

I will have to do that. I just hate the tone of, “It’s all our fault!” Guilt. Self Loathing. Redistribute wealth to help them feel good. “Maybe if we disarmed EVERYONE would LOVE US AGAIN!”… blah blah blah…

Good deal! I hate that BS too!

OK guys, I really need to leave, Ill see you later Lizards. Thanks for the sanity fix.

392 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:17am

re: #242 gonecamping

Jim Cramer was an idiot and a liar way before he was shilling for Obama. At his best he’s a contrarian indicator. I’ve made money in the market several times by doing the exact opposite of what he says. I wonder how many peoples nest eggs have been pissed away listening to that jackasses advice.

On Oct 31 2007 he was screaming “Buy BIDU, buy GOOG, they are going to keep going up” GOOG was 700-ish at the time and that was its all time high and its 303.00 right now.

393 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:25am

re: #340 Gus 802

Maybe you are someone else can start a “Burma Shave” series regarding the antics of El Presidente Obama.

Until we get
rid of this clown
bye-bye jobs
Dow will stay down
Burma-Shave

394 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:28am
395 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #389 Dr. Shalit

I’m looking forward to when he starts singing “Daisy” come 2012.

//

396 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:38am

re: #298 MandyManners

Would you explain that for me?

DOD cutbacks would be my guess…..

reminds me of the Clinton years, when every year they would zero out our repair parts accounts to fund training, and then bitch because we had so many vehicles that were NMC, awaiting parts.

397 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:40am

re: #391 Chicago Blonde

Good deal! I hate that BS too!

OK guys, I really need to leave, Ill see you later Lizards. Thanks for the sanity fix.

Only a Blonde would come to LFG for a sanity fix!

/// ;-P

Have a good day!

398 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:42am
399 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #342 MandyManners

That is I am gorgeous.

Fixed. ;-> Now I just need a piece of eye candy on my arm in something like galleryserpentine.com

400 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:07am

I think the White House Social Secretary is the person to go to based on this wiki job description.

401 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:12am

re: #384 opinionated

Anyone see The Daily Show last night?

The first part of the show was an all out attack on CNBC for daring to question our dear omnipotent leader.

I don’t doubt it. They worship Ear Leader.

402 Pietr  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:13am

OT-just got back after being crashed since Tuesday. My router FORGOT it’s programming? I’m an old time Maint tech/PC tech, and have never had any eqpmnt shut down because it just forgot….Sheesh. This was software/programming-nothing electrical/mechanical. I finally got thru to Linksys today, and got it fixed-thru some internet backdoor that is apparently hardwired into it? It couldn’t have reached the Internet otherwise, apparently-because it forgot everything else. Lord save us, between computers and BO, we’re doomed-DOOMED I tells ya…….

403 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:39am

re: #390 Gus 802

Jon Stewart: Democrat Tool Extraordinaire

If you get most of your news from Comedy Central, you might be an Obama voter.

404 cartoonboy  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:51am

I’m filling the air in my tires today to do my part in Obama’s plan to save America. I’m also recycling air by breathing into my shirt to help save the planets oxygen supply.

405 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:58:58am
406 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #396 redc1c4

DOD cutbacks would be my guess…..

reminds me of the Clinton years, when every year they would zero out our repair parts accounts to fund training, and then bitch because we had so many vehicles that were NMC, awaiting parts.

I think you’ve made a good guess. The opening salvo seemed to be Obama (press conference yesterday or the day before?) pointing out the hundreds of billions of cost overruns in DoD programs.

While that may be true, I somehow feel it isn’t the overruns themselves, but Obama setting DoD up for some hefty cuts.

407 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:59:57am
408 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:59:58am

re: #393 gmsc

Until we get
rid of this clown
bye-bye jobs
Dow will stay down
Burma-Shave

When Neo-Marxists
Rule the nest
The job you KEEP
Will be the BEST
/401-Cave

409 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:06pm
410 MarineMomSue  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #283 lobo91

Do you demobilize in May, Lobo?

411 Wendya  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:43pm

re: #329 jcm

Somebody made a decision to do things this way.

Why?

It’s the Chicago way.

412 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:49pm
413 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:51pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Jon Stewart: Democrat Tool Extraordinaire

I wonder how long The Daily Show can stay on the air without being able to make fun of the President.

414 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #402 Pietr

OT-just got back after being crashed since Tuesday. My router FORGOT it’s programming? I’m an old time Maint tech/PC tech, and have never had any eqpmnt shut down because it just forgot….Sheesh. This was software/programming-nothing electrical/mechanical. I finally got thru to Linksys today, and got it fixed-thru some internet backdoor that is apparently hardwired into it? It couldn’t have reached the Internet otherwise, apparently-because it forgot everything else. Lord save us, between computers and BO, we’re doomed-DOOMED I tells ya…….

Now, since Linksys is owned by Cisco, and a lot of the stuff is made in China, the idea that there is a backdoor in their routers worries me.

415 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #371 doppelganglander

Hi, Sand People! I think you’re friend’s brother needs a tutorial in the responsibilities of the federal government under the Constitution, vs. his bleeding ponytail wish list. I won’t even start on his Christian-bashing. Wouldn’t be Christian of me.

It’s interesting how they want all these ‘social programs’. If they can ‘spread the wealth’ and turn the profits of one person into the fiscal ‘sacrificial lamb’ for the masses, what happens when they decide to share the ‘health’ and turn someone into the ‘sacrificial lamb’?

“Health” as in, “Well, Oh no…Sand People, according to your Dr. records you have never smoked, never drank, and are too much of a beta male to have ever slept around before marriage. We have 5 other people who need your organs, they need them and who are you to deny them their need? 5 is greater than 1 and it is for the greater good.”

/I lived / live / and will continue to live a very sheltered life…

416 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #323 Honorary Yooper

As I’ve said before, if this goes beyond a certain point, you can go right on ahead and welcome the Obamadepression. This will be like the 1930s. There will be no rescue because as bad off as America could be, other places will have it much, much worse. And don’t look to China for help either. We go down, they go down. Europe’s on the brink of breaking their banks, and Japan’s no better off either. I fear it may be a rocky two or three years at the least. I use the term Obamadepression because I want to make him own it a la Hoover and 1929.

Yes - he does own it.
Oh - and there is no use looking to India either. Not only are they having troubled elections in two monthst time (as has germnay, I think) - they are having their hands full with the failed states on their borders, Pakistan and Bangla Desh.
The arab kingdoms will tank as well, a depression means there’s not much use for oil.
Russia - no way. Their income from oil is down, and thats what their expansion and economy is based on.

It’ll be a global domino effect, and a global Obamadepression.
Lovely … not!

417 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:01:33pm

re: #405 Iron Fist

I was a philosophy major for a while. They say that having a degree in philosophy makes it easier to deal with not getting the job that it costs you…

LOL! When our son got his master’s in Philosophy, my husband and I gave him a t-shirt which read “Will Philosophize for Food.”

418 joncelli  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #286 Kenneth

That’s their plan? These guys couldn’t plan their way out of a decrepit outhouse and they think they’re going to precisely manipulate the economy? [starts banging head against desk again]

419 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #349 jorline

I hear the Biden and the union big wigs are living it up in Florida at the AFL-CIO convention. We’re paying for parties everywhere.

Because of the damn right wing leaning media I can’t find a link.

Saw it on Fox, much ado about nothing. I stayed at that hotel on Pioneer electronics dime for a sales meeting and it’s nice, but not a world class resort.They quoted $300 rooms, but a convention rate is a fraction of that. You need a convention hotel for a meeting like that, Super 8 won’t work.

420 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #377 yma o hyd

I’d say he typifies the sort of capitalist of whom we can now say, to paraphrase Lenin and make it more appropriate for our times, that if he were the last infidel, he’d be comfortable to sell the sabre to the jihadist with which he’d be decapitated.

As long as those kids have SCHIP…
/

421 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #312 Cathypop

Nah. The unicorns are dinner. MMMMM

The other other other white meat?

422 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #417 scottishbuzzsaw

LOL! When our son got his master’s in Philosophy, my husband and I gave him a t-shirt which read “Will Philosophize for Food.”

You two obviously have little Kierk-regaard for his feelings.

423 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:03pm
424 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #405 Iron Fist

I was a philosophy major for a while. They say that having a degree in philosophy makes it easier to deal with not getting the job that it costs you…

“Joblessness is no longer for Philosophy majors. Useful people are starting to feel the pinch.”
/Kent Brockman

425 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #405 Iron Fist

I was a philosophy major for a while. They say that having a degree in philosophy makes it easier to deal with not getting the job that it costs you…

LoL.

426 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:33pm

re: #405 Iron Fist

I was a philosophy major for a while. They say that having a degree in philosophy makes it easier to deal with not getting the job that it costs you…

Last time I met a philosophy major he was brewmaster for Lowell Brewery.
I guess Monty Python had it right
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, [some versions have ‘Schopenhauer and Hegel’]

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya
‘Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away—
Half a crate of whisky every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his dram,

And René Descartes was a drunken fart.
‘I drink, therefore I am.’

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker,
But a bugger when he’s pissed.

427 ThinkRight  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:37pm

I am gonna make a fortune
Somebody tell me what company makes the government brown shirts and I am gonna buy that stock
/?

428 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:56pm

DOW down 270 on news of GM. Let them sink and restructure. Should have been down before we gave them a shit load of money.

429 Right Brain  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:03:57pm

Two stories came out today that Pres. Obama is deliberately wrecking the economy, these from places one would not ordinarily expect to see a conspiracy theory, one from Powerline, the other on PM. 2800 point loss on the Dow Jones since he was elected. Pres. Bush saw a huge drop in the Nasdaq shortly after he was elected, but the Nasdaq is made of small flimsy companies that blow in the wind. The Dow Jones is the thirty most widely held companies.


powerlineblog.com

pajamasmedia.com

430 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #413 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wonder how long The Daily Show can stay on the air without being able to make fun of the President.

That would require Obama doing something that the liberals abhor. I doubt that will happen since Obama is the Alpha-Leftist (said so on the box he came in). Until then they’ll always have people like Santelli, the few conservative media figures like Rush and others, the GOP, Bush, etc. There’s never a shortage of liberal straw men and enemies.

431 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:11pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Maybe you are someone else can start a “Burma Shave” series regarding the antics of El Presidente Obama.

Some thought Zero was the One
That was faulty math
Now the markets come undone
and we will face its wrath.

432 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:27pm

Looks like genetic experiments to recreate the Dire bear were successful and the recreation managed to both kill and eat, what up to now, was the best stock market bull we’ve ever had.

100 points/day and it looks as if Obama enjoys every minute of putting it to whitey. The bad thing is that while putting it to whitey might look like fun, it hurts blacks and women as well, when the companies either shut down or cut back on employee hours.

433 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:28pm

re: #419 avanti

They quoted $300 rooms, but a convention rate is a fraction of that. You need a convention hotel for a meeting like that, Super 8 won’t work.

Too hard to get the hookers to show up?

434 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

You two obviously have little Kierk-regaard for his feelings.

Picard is way better than Kier…. never mind.

435 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:04:49pm
436 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #423 MandyManners

I have a link to the video in which he said he planned to cut the military budget by 25 per cent. I’ll look for it.

Hi Mandy! That would be great! It seems to go hand-in-hand with his comments about overruns.

437 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:05:05pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Does it come in 6P?

Dunno what 6P is. Aussie company btw. I have the coat and the shirt in white. They fit very well and since it was mail order, I was leery. Price is good with conversion. World-reknowned company (amongst goths) which I’m happy to support b/c they’re not demanding welfare handouts for being privileged (i.e., alive and whining).

438 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:05:32pm

re: #317 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I read the NT once, on my second time now & still haven’t found the part that says that the best way to bring about the Kingdom of God is to hand over all power to a secular state.

Jesus’s teachings about the Basileia of God are much debated.

The Gospel of Thomas made a case, through selective quotations of the sayings tradition and the three Synoptic Gospels, that Jesus saw the Basileia as already here, if believers all agreed to give up worldly possessions and to help one another. The state becomes irrelevant. There was a movement in the 1990s among NT scholars to boost Thomas as “The Fifth Gospel”.

Others say that Jesus saw himself as John the Baptist’s apocalyptic Messiah; in which case, Jesus’s political programme was for the Jews to revolt and install him as King. I’m not sure what he’d have done afterward to KEEP his kingdom, but if Caliph ‘Umar’s later career is a guide, Jesus would have tried to incite a general anti-Roman (and anti-Parthian) uprising among fellow Semites. But I’m veering into supposition here.

“Who do you say that I am” … heh

439 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:05:57pm

re: #32 LGoPs

Somebody should design a poster. Have a milk carton with a picture of Pelosi, Reid and Obama and the caption “Missing - my 401K”

My 401(k) is on its way down to being a 001(k).

440 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #419 avanti

Saw it on Fox, much ado about nothing. I stayed at that hotel on Pioneer electronics dime for a sales meeting and it’s nice, but not a world class resort.They quoted $300 rooms, but a convention rate is a fraction of that. You need a convention hotel for a meeting like that, Super 8 won’t work.

A quick yahoo travel search for next Wed. through Friday show rates ranging from $479 - $1179.

Yes, convention rates are lower, but if you want to actually economize for a convention, YOU DON’T DO IT IN FRICCKIN’ SOUTH BEACH IN MARCH.

441 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #429 Right Brain

Two stories came out today that Pres. Obama is deliberately wrecking the economy, these from places one would not ordinarily expect to see a conspiracy theory, one from Powerline, the other on PM. 2800 point loss on the Dow Jones since he was elected. Pres. Bush saw a huge drop in the Nasdaq shortly after he was elected, but the Nasdaq is made of small flimsy companies that blow in the wind. The Dow Jones is the thirty most widely held companies.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com…]

[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]

Didn’t Rahm say that they needed to make good use of the ‘crisis’ or never let a good crisis go unexploited or something like that…paraphrased…

442 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:17pm

re: #404 cartoonboy

I’m filling the air in my tires today to do my part in Obama’s plan to save America. I’m also recycling air by breathing into my shirt to help save the planets oxygen supply.

I’m breaking wind as much as possible, so as to bring on an early spring here in Minnesota.

443 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #421 CyanSnowHawk

The other other other white meat?

Unicorns are rainbow colored inside, and sparkly with flowers and kitty cats.

444 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:44pm

re: #399 SFGoth

Fixed. ;-> Now I just need a piece of eye candy on my arm in something like [Link: www.galleryserpentine.com…]

I love that. When the new Sherlock Holmes movie opens later this year, that would be the perfect attire.

445 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:06:57pm

Yesterday’s down was due to rumors of the Chinese stimulus, today’s down is because the Chinese said “no stimulus”.

446 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:12pm

DJIA
Dec. 5, 1996:
Open: 6,422.94
High: 6,491.14
Low: 6,363.31
Close: 6,437.10

Dec. 5th, 1996 was the date of Greenspan’s famous “irrational exuberance” speech.

So, once the market goes down pass this level, does that meant we can be rationally exuberant again?

447 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:19pm

The ‘One’ thing you can say with some consistency is that the Market, like Obummer, is successfully making new lows damned near everyday.

448 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #411 Wendya

It’s the Chicago way.

True…

What’s the upside to dissing Great Britain?

Who benefits and why?

We push GB away, who do we pull close?

I don’t like the larger implications. This insult was intentional, what’s the game the WH is playing?

449 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:30pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

You two obviously have little Kierk-regaard for his feelings.

i Kant argue with that……

450 Earick  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:40pm

re: #305 Oh no…Sand People!

I proudly consumed much of that ‘military’ money over my lifetime!
I never met a kia a second time in the field and I didn’t give a damn about the money when calling in fast flyers to remove my countries enemies and secure my mens lives or preserve the freedom of the fat assed desk jockeys punching calculators.
Freedom isn’t free! Just ask the boys out at Arlington!

451 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:45pm
452 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #448 jcm

True…

What’s the upside to dissing Great Britain?

Who benefits and why?

We push GB away, who do we pull close?

I don’t like the larger implications. This insult was intentional, what’s the game the WH is playing?

Putin.

453 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #438 Zimriel

Jesus’s teachings about the Basileia of God are much debated.

The Gospel of Thomas made a case, through selective quotations of the sayings tradition and the three Synoptic Gospels, that Jesus saw the Basileia as already here, if believers all agreed to give up worldly possessions and to help one another. The state becomes irrelevant. There was a movement in the 1990s among NT scholars to boost Thomas as “The Fifth Gospel”.

Others say that Jesus saw himself as John the Baptist’s apocalyptic Messiah; in which case, Jesus’s political programme was for the Jews to revolt and install him as King. I’m not sure what he’d have done afterward to KEEP his kingdom, but if Caliph ‘Umar’s later career is a guide, Jesus would have tried to incite a general anti-Roman (and anti-Parthian) uprising among fellow Semites. But I’m veering into supposition here.

“Who do you say that I am” … heh

You can’t add to or take away from ‘teh WORD’!

/I.D.’er off…sorry…couldn’t resist…

454 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:00pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Or, to replace the word “fuck” as in “We are truly Obamaed”.

What the heck, it worked for Lewinsky…

455 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

A quick google search shows anubis has 5 toes. Not sure about Nut.

I would assume he’s got two if he’s a boy.

456 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #348 Zimriel

The Politico just said that Obama IS his TelePrompTer. if it did get unplugged, Obama might just melt down on air and start sucking his thumb.

At least that would be entertaining.

457 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #448 jcm

True…

What’s the upside to dissing Great Britain?

Who benefits and why?

We push GB away, who do we pull close?

I don’t like the larger implications. This insult was intentional, what’s the game the WH is playing?

Well, the B. Hussein keeps trying to talk to Iran and Syria.

458 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:31pm

re: #444 doppelganglander

I love that. When the new Sherlock Holmes movie opens later this year, that would be the perfect attire.

This depression is going to be great for the gothic revival. Not only does it look amazing, but there’s no better foreplay than the slow removal of layers and layers and gadgets and gadgets.

459 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:38pm
460 KenJen  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #427 ThinkRight

I am gonna make a fortune
Somebody tell me what company makes the government brown shirts and I am gonna buy that stock
/?

Ive got a better way to make lots of money. I personally make $30,000 a month sitting at home in my pajamas. Just send me $49.95 and I’ll tell you how you can to. Offer open to all Lizards.

461 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:08:51pm

I’ve never been clear on whether the correct spelling is “fricckin” or “frickkin”.

462 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:01pm

re: #419 avanti

Saw it on Fox, much ado about nothing. I stayed at that hotel on Pioneer electronics dime for a sales meeting and it’s nice, but not a world class resort.They quoted $300 rooms, but a convention rate is a fraction of that. You need a convention hotel for a meeting like that, Super 8 won’t work.

The BIG DEAL is called….

Card Check.

463 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:15pm
464 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #407 MandyManners

That was my guess, too. Maybe it also shows that FCBBHO plans to cut and run in Afghanistan.

He increased the proposed defense budget by 4%, added 17,000 to troops to Afghanistan, wants to increase the size of the Army, none of that indicates a cut and run in my opinion. He’s gets major flack from the far left for that, but I’d think the right would approve.

465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:47pm

re: #444 doppelganglander

I love that. When the new Sherlock Holmes movie opens later this year, that would be the perfect attire.

Do they sell men’s capes?

466 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:49pm
467 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #450 Earick

I proudly consumed much of that ‘military’ money over my lifetime!
I never met a kia a second time in the field and I didn’t give a damn about the money when calling in fast flyers to remove my countries enemies and secure my mens lives or preserve the freedom of the fat assed desk jockeys punching calculators.
Freedom isn’t free! Just ask the boys out at Arlington!

Thank you for your service. If I had but more than just an upding to give. It never ceases to amaze me how many people believe that the threats are not real…

468 Sheepdogess  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #113 Erik The Red

I think he knows exactly what he is doing . I wonder what kind of pharmaceuticals he ingests to stay calm.

469 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:19pm

re: #463 MandyManners

Six Petite.

Spread the wealth!

What does that translate to in U.S. sizes?

470 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:32pm

re: #461 Occasional Reader

I’ve never been clear on whether the correct spelling is “fricckin” or “frickkin”.

Frickin’ - one “k”

471 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #453 Oh no…Sand People!

Thanks for your reply on FB Oh no…

472 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:42pm

re: #452 Sharmuta

Putin.

Ding!

Not good, at all.

473 Onslow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:47pm

Florida tops nation for delinquent mortgages


Florida leads the nation in the number of homes delinquent or in foreclosure according to a fourth quarter survey by the Mortgage Bankers Association.

The survey found that 20.1 percent of mortgages on Florida homes were delinquent or held in foreclosure. Nationwide, more than 11 percent of American homeowners are either delinquent or in foreclosure. (Emphasis mine.)

474 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:10:54pm

re: #468 Sheepdogess

I think he knows exactly what he is doing . I wonder what kind of pharmaceuticals he ingests to stay calm.

Ritalin?

475 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #459 MandyManners

This is not the right video but, it shows he plans to fuck it all up.


[Video]

OMG! I’d heard snippets here and there, but that 51 seconds is devastating! Thanks so much for posting that link.

476 fish  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #320 Iron Fist

Wow. That sucks. Was this something that was planned? I mean, I expected hostility to the military from the Obama Administration and the Democrat Legislature, but I wouldn’t have believed it would be that fast or that complete.

A friend of mine has been working on the DOD FY 10 Budget. He was forced to sign a non disclosure agreement. (That is on top of his current security clearance which I understand is quite high) In spite of the agreement, he informed me that it would be unveiled on Friday, and that in his words “Is pretty Bloody”. It is my suspicion that the cuts will be much deeper than Clinton’s

477 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:33pm

re: #464 avanti

horseshit.

478 Kragar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:45pm

Well, back from the doctor and I’ve been prescribed Lunesta for sleep and Ativan for stress. Anyone got any experience with them?

479 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:47pm

re: #469 SFGoth

What does that translate to in U.S. sizes?

That is a U.S. size. Mandy is a tiny person, apparently.

480 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Or, to replace the word “fuck” as in “We are truly Obamaed”.

I think “Barack” would replace “fuck” more effectively.

Example usage: “Barack you!” or “We’re truly Baracked.”

481 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Ritalin?

Nope, something along the line of a Thorazine drip.

482 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:02pm
483 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #459 MandyManners

This is not the right video but, it shows he plans to fuck it all up.


Or to sum up: Holds up sign, “Dear World, please kick our a$$es. Thank you.”

485 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:28pm
486 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #471 Erik The Red

Thanks for your reply on FB Oh no…

No problemo. Mafia wars is giving me some buggy issues…

487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #468 Sheepdogess

I think he knows exactly what he is doing . I wonder what kind of pharmaceuticals he ingests to stay calm.

Since we’re seeing a replay of the 1970s, they’ll probably have to start inventing new drugs for us all like they did back then.

488 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:12:59pm
489 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:06pm

re: #469 SFGoth

What does that translate to in U.S. sizes?

real small…..

/white smoke

490 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:22pm

re: #478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, back from the doctor and I’ve been prescribed Lunesta for sleep and Ativan for stress. Anyone got any experience with them?

No. But Johnny Black works for both aliments on me. :)

491 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #480 gmsc

I think “Barack” would replace “fuck” more effectively.

Example usage: “Barack you!” or “We’re truly Baracked.”

Making rude gesture to another driver and yelling “you barakin’ o hole.”

492 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #376 MikeAlv77

The EIC for a single person tops out at about $7200.. he wouldn’t get it

( I volunteer doing tax returns for low income people - VITA Program )

Walter needs a rental property to sit empty for more than half the year, like what happened to me in ‘07. I made a pretty good income that year and paid less income tax than he did this year after deducting my losses.
/I don’t recommend doing that though.

493 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:43pm
494 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:50pm

re: #486 Oh no…Sand People!

No problemo. Mafia wars is giving me some buggy issues…

It’s like that more often than not. The worst seems to be around 4:45-5:00 p.m. Eastern, when everyone is screwing around to kill time at the end of the day.

495 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:52pm

re: #482 MandyManners

I’m in the U.S., and I wear a 6P. I don’t know how it converts to another country’s sizes, though.

In Argentina, it’s “Extra Fat Gringa Size”.


KIDDING!

496 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:56pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

(leave it alone……)

497 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:13:59pm

re: #433 bulwrk

They quoted $300 rooms, but a convention rate is a fraction of that. You need a convention hotel for a meeting like that, Super 8 won’t work.

Too hard to get the hookers to show up?

No big banquet rooms, or catered diners. As a ex business owner, I’ve been wined and dined enough at conventions to know the drill. Never got the hookers though, but lots of drunk secretaries floating around.

498 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:09pm
499 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:11pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

must… resist…

500 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, back from the doctor and I’ve been prescribed Lunesta for sleep and Ativan for stress. Anyone got any experience with them?

the Lunesta might give you weird dreams…..

/real weird

501 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:15pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

Not. Gonna. Say. It.

502 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:19pm

re: #486 Oh no…Sand People!

No problemo. Mafia wars is giving me some buggy issues…

I am new to it today. No help. :(

503 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:32pm
504 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:43pm
505 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:47pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

so do i……. ;-)

/white smoke

506 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:14:55pm
507 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:05pm

re: #462 jcm

The BIG DEAL is called….

Card Check.

Well, JCM, you’re clearly not on board yet. The proper title of the proposal is “The Employee Free Choice Act.” Please adjust your thinking accordingly, or I’ll be forced to call the union.

(Okay, I don’t belong to a union, but you get my point.)

:-)

508 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:12pm

re: #459 MandyManners

BOHICA Ms. Mandy, BOHICA!

509 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:19pm

re: #494 doppelganglander

It’s like that more often than not. The worst seems to be around 4:45-5:00 p.m. Eastern, when everyone is screwing around to kill time at the end of the day.

I still am not getting some dire ‘loot’ that I need to complete some missions…
Errrrr… Just drop the tactical shotgun already…sheesh…

510 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:31pm
511 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:46pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

Not going to touch that.

512 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:47pm

re: #336 gmsc

As I write this, the market is at 6,629.96, a level last seen on Jan. 10, 1997.

Back then, Yassir Arafat was still alive, and Bill Clinton was getting ready to be sworn in as president for his second term.

Here in Las Vegas, the Hacienda had just been imploded, and construction was beginning on the same lot to build the Mandalay Bay. The Sands had also been imploded so that construction could begin on the Venetian.

People were still talking about JonBenét Ramsey, who had just been killed in her parents’ basement on the day after Christmas ‘96.

In business, two of the most common topics were Apple’s purchase of NeXT, and Alan Greenspan’s speech from just over a month before in which he claimed the market unduly escalated asset values due to “irrational exuberance”.

And now we have “irrational crankiness”?

513 Wendya  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #448 jcm

True…

What’s the upside to dissing Great Britain?

Who benefits and why?

We push GB away, who do we pull close?

I don’t like the larger implications. This insult was intentional, what’s the game the WH is playing?

He was probably just putting Brown in “his place” which for obama means at his feet. I fully expect him to deal with every foreign leader he meets like a two bit thug.

514 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:15:59pm

re: #410 MarineMomSue

Do you demobilize in May, Lobo?

Don’t know. My orders end 30 may, as of right now. The way things are going, I may not find out until a week before they end.

Makes planning for the future interesting…

515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

No, you just have a healthy sex drive & want everyone to know about it.
/

516 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:11pm

re: #497 avanti

No big banquet rooms

If the hotel doesn’t have any rooms large enough to hold a banquet in, then why are they having the convention there in the first place?

517 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #429 Right Brain

Two stories came out today that Pres. Obama is deliberately wrecking the economy, …

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com…]

[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]

Powerline doesn’t endorse the theory but they did air it.

Here’s my problem with the theory: if Obama is deliberately tanking the economy, that makes him a traitor; and if for partisan reasons the Congress won’t impeach him, that makes them traitors too. That takes us down a dark road, in which international financiers and/or our own military intervene for their own interests.

And if that happens, then the average O voter feels like their vote didn’t count (rightly), and they turn to even MORE extreme versions of their (Leftist) political religion.

Here’s your Republic; would you like bananas with that?

518 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:19pm

re: #405 Iron Fist

I was a philosophy major for a while. They say that having a degree in philosophy makes it easier to deal with not getting the job that it costs you…

I’m reminded of a joke I heard years back…

What did the philosophy major say to the physics major?

“Do you want fries with that?”

I kid. :)

519 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:21pm
520 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:32pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

Oh, I don’t know, what you doin later? ;)

521 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:41pm

re: #476 fish

A friend of mine has been working on the DOD FY 10 Budget. He was forced to sign a non disclosure agreement. (That is on top of his current security clearance which I understand is quite high) In spite of the agreement, he informed me that it would be unveiled on Friday, and that in his words “Is pretty Bloody”. It is my suspicion that the cuts will be much deeper than Clinton’s

Why do I feel those words are ‘prophetic’ and can be interpreted in the ‘literal’ sense in the near future?

522 Erik The Red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:45pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

ROTFLMAO. Or damn Horny/// :)

523 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #451 Iron Fist

The better class of hookers will never work at a Super 8. You need to think more upscale. Like a Howard Johnson’s…

That brings new meaning to “fried clam strips” on the HoJos menu.

524 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:17:25pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

No, you just need spiritual peace. Perhaps some sort of Christian volunteer work abroad would help. You know… a missionary position.


/hey, you started it

525 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:17:27pm
526 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:17:47pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

madness takes it’s toll: please have exact change ready.

527 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #476 fish

A friend of mine has been working on the DOD FY 10 Budget. He was forced to sign a non disclosure agreement. (That is on top of his current security clearance which I understand is quite high) In spite of the agreement, he informed me that it would be unveiled on Friday, and that in his words “Is pretty Bloody”. It is my suspicion that the cuts will be much deeper than Clinton’s

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Obama is not only gonna’ put Americans in the poor house.
He’s gonna’ get a bunch killed.

Obama is gonna’ make Rabbit Bait look good.

528 Earick  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:01pm

re: #478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was prescribed both!
Fucked up my life! Dropped that shit, got a medical marijuana certificate and have never had a problem again.
I keep the vaporizor(sp) by the bed and sleep like a baby!

529 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:04pm
530 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:05pm
531 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:15pm
532 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do they sell men’s capes?

There’s this: galleryserpentine.com
I should get some kind of commission! You might try shrinestore.com out of L.A. actually. I have some shirt of theirs. Lizards, best damn dressed bloggers on the planet.

533 Sunlight  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:31pm

re: #461 Occasional Reader

I’ve never been clear on whether the correct spelling is “fricckin” or “frickkin”.

“frakkin”

534 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #529 Iron Fist

Sanity is overrated. Or so I hear. I certainly wouldn’t know. I avoid sanity the way a Democrat avoids tax cuts…

Democrats get their tax breaks by not paying taxes.

535 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:47pm

re: #478 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, back from the doctor and I’ve been prescribed Lunesta for sleep and Ativan for stress. Anyone got any experience with them?

No, but I find going to bed at 2AM and getting up at 6:30 AM quickly results in no problem falling asleep.

536 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #476 fish

A friend of mine has been working on the DOD FY 10 Budget. He was forced to sign a non disclosure agreement. (That is on top of his current security clearance which I understand is quite high) In spite of the agreement, he informed me that it would be unveiled on Friday, and that in his words “Is pretty Bloody”. It is my suspicion that the cuts will be much deeper than Clinton’s

2010 defense budget

537 Miss Molly  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:19:15pm

Why is everyone so suprised at the Obama’s treatment of the Browns. The Obama’s have not much a clue as to what they are doing and are so arrogant that they don’t care. This is just the beginning. Obama can’t talk without a teleprompter and that letter he wrote to the Russians on trading missel defenses for help with Iran probably still has the Russian partying on. This guy is not qualified to be President as many people have known and others are now learning.

538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #528 Earick

I was prescribed both!
Fucked up my life! Dropped that shit, got a medical marijuana certificate and have never had a problem again.
I keep the vaporizor(sp) by the bed and sleep like a baby!

How do you get a prescription for marijuana filled? Seriously, do they give you pot in one of those little orange bottles, do you have to buy your own papers/bong?

539 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:19:30pm

re: #347 doppelganglander

You need to post a picture.

Yeah, but that might reveal who Zombie is! ;->

540 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:19:47pm

re: #527 jcm

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Yeah, I had to be extra careful how I worded #517 …

541 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:19:52pm
542 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:20:03pm

re: #509 Oh no…Sand People!

I still am not getting some dire ‘loot’ that I need to complete some missions…
Errrrr… Just drop the tactical shotgun already…sheesh…

It’s outlandish. I waste all my points trying to get more untraceable cell phones. Oh, and they’re disposable, so I need like 20 to finish a job. I wish there was a way to share your loot with players in your mafia. I’ve got 15 tactical shotguns and I’d be happy to share.

543 Kragar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #500 redc1c4

the Lunesta might give you weird dreams…..

/real weird

Nothing new for me

544 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:20:10pm

re: #530 buzzsawmonkey

Free the Motel Six!

I hear they serve the best Western omelet there.

545 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:20:12pm

re: #516 Occasional Reader

If the hotel doesn’t have any rooms large enough to hold a banquet in, then why are they having the convention there in the first place?

No banquet rooms at Super 8.

546 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #531 FrogMarch

Unless you are talking about the 2nd Continental Congress, ethical and congress do not belong in the same sentence.

547 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:15pm

re: #497 avanti

No big banquet rooms, or catered diners [sic].

Someone forget to tell them (the hotel) that. From their website (linked to above):

CATERING AND MENUS

From elegant ballrooms, to an abundance of tropically landscaped outdoor function areas, you will find the perfect location for your catered event at Fontainebleau Miami Beach. Under the culinary direction of Executive Chef Sean O’Connell, Fontainebleau has created a catering experience that combines the expertise of internationally acclaimed chef’s with the vision and creative input of a team of catering professionals that will co-create with you, our guest; extraordinary experiences.

The $1 billion rebirth of Fontainebleau magnificently introduces restored Lapidus’ signature details, such as bow-tie design motifs, circular ceilings and columns while introducing new 21st century glamour. With 107,000 square feet of indoor function space, Fontainebleau Miami Beach caters to special events of every scale and type, from intimate family gatherings to large scale social events

“Debout, les damnés de la terre!
Debout, les forçats de la faim…”

548 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:16pm

O is somewhere lighting up a cig, smiling and thinking abt. how much he has been able to do to “remake” our country, and how quickly.

549 Earick  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:34pm

re: #538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I grow my own… Don’t use papers and this vaporizor thingy doesn’t even give off smoke!?!

550 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:49pm

re: #544 Bloodnok

I hear they serve the best Western omelet there.

Then again the eggs are green at the Susse Chalet.

551 Kragar  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:53pm

re: #528 Earick

I was prescribed both!
Fucked up my life! Dropped that shit, got a medical marijuana certificate and have never had a problem again.
I keep the vaporizor(sp) by the bed and sleep like a baby!

Government Secret Clearance, DON job, and Medical Mary Jane dont mix.

552 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #532 SFGoth

There’s this: [Link: www.galleryserpentine.com…]
I should get some kind of commission! You might try [Link: www.shrinestore.com…] out of L.A. actually. I have some shirt of theirs. Lizards, best damn dressed bloggers on the planet.

That’s too goth for me - no offense. I’m looking for more of a nerdcore Batman/Boba Fett kind of cape.

553 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:22:00pm

re: #482 MandyManners

I’m in the U.S., and I wear a 6P. I don’t know how it converts to another country’s sizes, though.

What’s dif betw 6 & 6P?

554 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #400 snowcrash

I think the White House Social Secretary is the person to go to based on this wiki job description.

So, basically, it’s another unqualified crony appointee by Obama. Ok. Now it makes perfect sense.

555 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:22:13pm

re: #507 subsailor68

Well, JCM, you’re clearly not on board yet. The proper title of the proposal is “The Employee Free Choice Act.” Please adjust your thinking accordingly, or I’ll be forced to call the union.

(Okay, I don’t belong to a union, but you get my point.)

:-)

Be through the Teamsters trying to unionize a place I worked.

I few of us were vocal opponents. When one of them had their tires slashed I went and got in the face of one the organizers. He was a good 8 inches taller and 100 lbs heavier. I made it clear that shit would stop. We and a nice quite debate after that, Teamsters lost the vote.

556 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:22:15pm
557 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:22:17pm

re: #518 MrSilverDragon

My college roommate was a math major and philosophy minor.
He used to say that all you need to do math is a blackboard, chalk, and an eraser.
To do philosophy, you don’t need the eraser.

558 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:00pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

Hey, it beats the hell out of celibacy.

559 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #510 MandyManners

I must be insane.

But in a good way.

560 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:20pm

re: #536 avanti

2010 defense budget

Not to quibble with you, but that’s a press release, not a budget.

561 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #496 Bloodnok

(leave it alone……)

I dunno. After the claim that she still fits in the cheerleading uniform she wore when she was 14, and now this… What’s a red blooded American male supposed to…excuse me.

…what’s that?

…Yes dear.

…Sorry, as I was saying - Yes we’d better leave that alone.

562 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:53pm
563 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:23:59pm

Right before my 2L law school contracts exam, *someone* wrote on the board: “Crying won’t help you, praying won’t do you no good.” :->

564 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:24:19pm

re: #468 Sheepdogess

I think he knows exactly what he is doing . I wonder what kind of pharmaceuticals he ingests to stay calm.

Marlboro …

565 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:24:37pm

Anyone want a totally politically incorrect laugh?

If so, click here.

566 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:24:37pm

his off hand , inept way of addressing the stock market plunge, really shows the detachment of a psychopath.

567 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:24:38pm

re: #485 MandyManners

Not. Going. To. Go. There.

568 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:06pm

re: #557 Kosh’s Shadow

My college roommate was a math major and philosophy minor.
He used to say that all you need to do math is a blackboard, chalk, and an eraser.
To do philosophy, you don’t need the eraser.

Ah! A bullshit artist! Did you bullshit last week?
/mel brooks

569 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:18pm

re: #517 Zimriel

Powerline doesn’t endorse the theory but they did air it.

Here’s my problem with the theory: if Obama is deliberately tanking the economy, that makes him a traitor; and if for partisan reasons the Congress won’t impeach him, that makes them traitors too. That takes us down a dark road, in which international financiers and/or our own military intervene for their own interests.

And if that happens, then the average O voter feels like their vote didn’t count (rightly), and they turn to even MORE extreme versions of their (Leftist) political religion.

Here’s your Republic; would you like bananas with that?

My outline of why I think it’s deliberate.

570 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #532 SFGoth

There’s this: [Link: www.galleryserpentine.com…]
I should get some kind of commission! You might try [Link: www.shrinestore.com…] out of L.A. actually. I have some shirt of theirs. Lizards, best damn dressed bloggers on the planet.

I am putting the zipper skirt on order for the Mrs…

571 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:33pm
572 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:36pm

re: #548 nyc redneck

He’ll try very, very hard to fuck up America-but he won’t succeed.

573 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:39pm

re: #558 Honorary Yooper

Hey, it beats the hell out of celibacy.

Don’t knock it ‘til you try it… wait a minute…

574 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:49pm

re: #560 lobo91

Not to quibble with you, but that’s a press release, not a budget.

Under the 0bama administration, what would be the difference between a defense budget and a press release?


/The press release takes longer to read

575 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:59pm

re: #560 lobo91

Not to quibble with you, but that’s a press release, not a budget.

But it shows a 4% increase in Defense in a bad economy, I thought that would please the right since they were predicting a cut.

576 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:26:06pm
577 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:26:27pm

re: #482 MandyManners

I’m in the U.S., and I wear a 6P. I don’t know how it converts to another country’s sizes, though.

Thats a size 8 here - not quite in Posh* territory, but getting there!

(Posh = Victoria Beckham)

578 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #565 WriterMom

Anyone want a totally politically incorrect laugh?

If so, click here.

“I would bang him like a dinner bell at the Ponderosa?!?” LOL!

579 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:26:50pm
580 formercorpsman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #485 MandyManners

Yell it from the rooftop you dirty girl.

581 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:27:15pm

re: #485 MandyManners

Who wouldn’t?

582 joncelli  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:27:22pm

re: #484 Occasional Reader

Yowza. I should suffer so.

583 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:27:34pm

re: #576 Sharmuta

Mandy is loco.

Yikes! Little strobe light warning for those of us who are photosensitive next time?

584 SummerSong  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:27:44pm

re: #553 SFGoth

What’s dif betw 6 & 6P?

Petite is slightly smaller than regular size, so the difference is length….sleeves, hems, arm holes might be higher, etc.

585 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:28:38pm

re: #563 SFGoth

Right before my 2L law school contracts exam, *someone* wrote on the board: “Crying won’t help you, praying won’t do you no good.” :->

My favorite law school exam apocryphal story:

A huge 1L core class with two hundred or so students, at a large law school, taking their final exam. The professor finally calls “time”, the students file up to the front to deposit their exam “blue books” on his desk. Except for one student, who just keeps working away at his. “Time!”, the professor calls again… the student keeps working. Several more minutes pass, the student walks up to drop off his blue book. “Young man, you can forget it,” the professor says. “Time was called several minutes ago. You disregarded it. You fail the exam.”

The student haughtily regards the prof. “You’re making a big mistake. Don’t you know who I am? DON’T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”

“No, as a matter of fact, I don’t”, the prof replies.

“Good!” says the student, as he sticks his blue book somewhere deep in the pile of exams, and runs from the room.

586 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:28:50pm

re: #575 avanti

But it shows a 4% increase in Defense in a bad economy, I thought that would please the right since they were predicting a cut.

Which is it?
-10%
or
+4%

Obama’s history tells us which.

587 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:28:50pm

Hopin thread!

*Paddles deflating inner tube upthread*

588 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:29:00pm

re: #579 ploome hineni

Kragar, I agree wtih ploomie-have you tried exercise, and abstaining from alcohol, caffeine and heavy snacky foods before bed, also the things like no tv watching in bed, or computer? Have you tried non-drug interventions?

589 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:29:29pm

re: #536 avanti

2010 defense budget

Respectfully, your link goes to a trade association article on the “proposed” budget. I think I’ll wait until the budget makes its way through the process to make a decision.

I will note, however, that your linked article indicates the proposed budget is an increase of 4 percent over 2009. In this DoD link, it’s noted that President Bush’s budget was a 7.5 increase over the 2008 budget for DoD.

Heck, if I were a Democrat, I’d use their very argument: “The budget for our department last year had risen 7.5 percent over the year before. This year it’s only 4 percent. What is that, if not a cut?”

Good thing I’m not a Democrat.

590 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #575 avanti

But it shows a 4% increase in Defense in a bad economy, I thought that would please the right since they were predicting a cut.

Actually, that’s a press release about a budget request.

Here’s a hint: Congress writes the actual budget. Until that’s done, which probably won’t be until sometime around Thanksgiving, given their track record on passing bills on time, we have no idea what’s actually going to happen next FY.

591 Wendya  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #400 snowcrash

I think the White House Social Secretary is the person to go to based on this wiki job description.

This is the office that advises obama on state visits:

state.gov

592 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #542 doppelganglander

It’s outlandish. I waste all my points trying to get more untraceable cell phones. Oh, and they’re disposable, so I need like 20 to finish a job. I wish there was a way to share your loot with players in your mafia. I’ve got 15 tactical shotguns and I’d be happy to share.

Expect a call from the BATF asking about that last post.

593 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #562 MandyManners

Height.

Ahhh, ok. We’ll I’m a 38R coat and I’m trying to get down to a 31” waist size (from 33) Being 5’8, I only like taller girls if they’re having their way with me.

594 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #585 Occasional Reader

My brother’s friend actually had this happen in an exam, it was a university math exam and IIRC they were engineering students…all of the sudden in a big exam hall they heard someone running around, and this guy literally jumps up on one of the desks, puts his hands in this kind of ‘King Tut’ shape and starts shouting I AM AN INTEGRAL I AM AN INTEGRAL…they actually did have to call an ambulance and sedate him poor thing-he cracked.

595 Earick  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:32:18pm

re: #551 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, that kind of life leads to the need for medication!
I no longer work for the government. Don’t need a clearance and refused to come back when they asked me.
Now I am a happy, contented beekeeper. Kick’en back and watching the honey flow.
My grandparents traded honey for food and fuel during the last major government failure. I hope it works for me as well.

596 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:32:20pm
597 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:32:59pm

re: #539 SFGoth

Yeah, but that might reveal who Zombie is! ;->

Obfuscation and misdirection, I like it!

598 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #572 WriterMom

He’ll try very, very hard to fuck up America-but he won’t succeed.

i agree. his behavior is getting so erratic.
he characterized the plunging stock mkt. as ‘fits and starts’.
people who have seen a steady decline in their retirement funds since he
took office are certainly beginning to see he’s in over his pay grade.

he’s going to crash.
we won’t.

599 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #598 nyc redneck

he’s going to crash.
we won’t.

FOR SURE

600 redc1c4  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #586 jcm

Which is it?
-10%
or
+4%

Obama’s history tells us which.

that and he’s loading all the Iraq and Afghanistan funding into the regular defense budget, instead of as one time expenses that they really are. the numbers go up, but the reality is spending on things like aircraft, vehicles, ships, guns and ammo goes down.

Ear Leader is a lying scumbag, and only fools, or fellow liars, support him.

601 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #565 WriterMom
Hilarious!

602 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:34:22pm
603 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:34:35pm

re: #585 Occasional Reader

All I did at the end of my first exam was shotgun a Bud at the top of the lecture hall.

604 fish  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:36:57pm

re: #348 Zimriel

The Politico just said that Obama IS his TelePrompTer. if it did get unplugged, Obama might just melt down on air and start sucking his thumb. like the Witch of the West in OZ

/Wishful thinking

605 Killer Tomato  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:37:06pm

re: #458 SFGoth

This depression is going to be great for the gothic revival. Not only does it look amazing, but there’s no better foreplay than the slow removal of layers and layers and gadgets and gadgets.

Great! I’ve got a huge wardrobe of 1860’s clothing. Lots of layers and gadgets. At least now I know there’s a market for it.

606 SummerSong  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:38:18pm

Last hour market downside accelerating.

607 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:38:31pm

Moving on —->

608 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:38:51pm

re: #576 Sharmuta

Mandy is loco.

Why you callin’ long distance ese?
Don’t you know I’m local?

609 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #602 MandyManners

You’re no fun.

After being worked over by a 6’-er in a corset and thigh-high boots, I’m very fun. I also like these: Youtube Video and Youtube Video What kind of fun are *you* looking for?

610 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:40:01pm

re: #589 subsailor68

Respectfully, your link goes to a trade association article on the “proposed” budget. I think I’ll wait until the budget makes its way through the process to make a decision.

I will note, however, that your linked article indicates the proposed budget is an increase of 4 percent over 2009. In this DoD link, it’s noted that President Bush’s budget was a 7.5 increase over the 2008 budget for DoD.

Heck, if I were a Democrat, I’d use their very argument: “The budget for our department last year had risen 7.5 percent over the year before. This year it’s only 4 percent. What is that, if not a cut?”

Good thing I’m not a Democrat.

I love the way the politicians spin things. First you predict a 10% cut, then when It’s a 4% increase, you claim that’s a cut from a previous increase ?. Increasing the defense budget when the economy is in the tank and while drawing down from Iraq, seems reasonable. Gates was expecting a cut with the Iraq draw down, so I see why the far left is pissed, though I don’t agree .

611 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:40:18pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.

“And so you shall”

- Chico Marx

612 fish  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:40:57pm

re: #504 Iron Fist

Shit. That’s really the only thing that I’d better say about this. Shit.

That was my reaction as well.

613 Unakite  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:41:19pm

re: #159 J Doc

You don’t see anything wrong with getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray because you question an officer’s lack of civility? I have learned to question authority, not be complacent to it.


I’ve learned to question authority. But I’ve also learned to pick my battles.

614 n2stox  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:41:46pm

It’s a good thing Obama doesn’t pay attention to these gyrations.

Of course, “gyration” implies more than one direction.

Obama the destroyer.

615 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:42:15pm

re: #610 avanti

I love the way the politicians spin things. First you predict a 10% cut, then when It’s a 4% increase, you claim that’s a cut from a previous increase ?. Increasing the defense budget when the economy is in the tank and while drawing down from Iraq, seems reasonable. Gates was expecting a cut with the Iraq draw down, so I see why the far left is pissed, though I don’t agree .

Yep, we’re on the same page there. (My post was sarcasm pointed at that very premise, not at you.) However, as I mentioned, I do want to see what happens as this thing moves through the pipeline.

;-)

616 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:43:50pm
617 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:43:56pm
618 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:44:22pm
619 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:45:29pm

re: #600 redc1c4

that and he’s loading all the Iraq and Afghanistan funding into the regular defense budget, instead of as one time expenses that they really are. the numbers go up, but the reality is spending on things like aircraft, vehicles, ships, guns and ammo goes down.

Ear Leader is a lying scumbag, and only fools, or fellow liars, support him.

Actually, funding for the war isn’t part of the $557 billion figure. It’s included as a separate line item. Here’s a page that breaks it down better.

620 Empire1  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:46:05pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain something to me. I keep hearing that a large part of the population doesn’t even pay income tax. And who the hell may that be? I have an adjusted income of 9050.00 and my tax is still 960.00. And the tax table has tax amounts going down to almost no salary. So, I don’t understand, it seems to me that everyone pays income tax if they had some sort of income.

Well, let’s see. We have an AGI of 12,446 (doesn’t count untaxed SS). Married filing jointly standard deduction is 10,900; 2 personal deductions is 7,000. So taxable income is zero.

621 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:46:31pm

re: #615 subsailor68

Yep, we’re on the same page there. (My post was sarcasm pointed at that very premise, not at you.) However, as I mentioned, I do want to see what happens as this thing moves through the pipeline.

;-)

Yep, it’s a proposed budget, it could go up or down. They almost always bump up the military pay for the proposed budget to earn points for example. I expect big cuts in the expensive cold war weapons systems, i.e. the Raptor and some way over budget ship building.

622 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:46:43pm

re: #538 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How do you get a prescription for marijuana filled? Seriously, do they give you pot in one of those little orange bottles, do you have to buy your own papers/bong?

You can’t get a prescription for MJ. That is illegal. However, dox can *recommend* it. You then go to a “club” that looks like it belongs in Amsterdam. It’s amazing. You can get MJ in many, many varieties.

623 Silvergirl  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:47:08pm

re: #56 Noam Chumpski

It’s laughable that Team Obama® thinks that the DOW has nothing to do with the economy. Tragic, but laughable.

Personally, I’m keeping cardboard boxes so that I can combine them and have the biggest one on the block when we are all living out of them.

You can call it an Obamaminium. They called them Hoovervilles—the little hut villages they built out of anything they could gather up in the Great Depression. If they named them after the guy they held responsible for ruining the economy, we’ll have to do the same.

624 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:48:04pm

re: #570 Oh no…Sand People!

I am putting the zipper skirt on order for the Mrs…

Get her a satin, fully-boned corset too (I recommend Dark Garden). You’ll both enjoy it.

625 leww37334  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:51:08pm

Maybe NBC ought to run their Obama favorable ratings over on Wall Street, rather than simply polling the NBC staff (like they do now).

626 MrSoCal  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:51:16pm

If anyone’s counting, today’s low (6,546.25 ) is the lowest level since 4/16/1997 (6506.08).

627 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:52:30pm

re: #621 avanti

Yep, it’s a proposed budget, it could go up or down. They almost always bump up the military pay for the proposed budget to earn points for example. I expect big cuts in the expensive cold war weapons systems, i.e. the Raptor and some way over budget ship building.

Well, from your lips to God’s ear on the military pay! And, even though we’re both Navy, when they launched the San Antonio and even the ice cream maker didn’t work……….

Yeah, there are some things to look at legitmately.

628 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:53:33pm

re: #485 MandyManners

I prefer “fucking”.


Who doesn’t?

629 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:55:15pm

re: #616 MandyManners

The funniest six minutes of the week. No, the month. THANKS!

OMG! At least the month! That whole segment was laugh out loud.

Thanks!

630 ThinkRight  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #628 HoosierHoops

Who doesn’t?


My wife

631 powerplay  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:13:14pm

I hate to say this, but the American people deserve this.

It’s no different than the sucker who buys a lemon from a smooth talking used car salesman, …..you know better but you allow yourself to believe what you’re told….and you can only blame the salesman so much….because deep down you’re the jackass that fell for it…

how is it different for America? There are too many clods who bought the Obama hype…and now we’re stuck this dolt …and the markets will continue to gyrate all the way to bottom

632 Rancher  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:16:56pm

re: #388 Erik The Red

I hope your rule of thumb is up your ass///

Ouch, don’t shoot the messenger. Look at it as a buying opportunity you won’t see again in our lifetime.

633 Right Brain  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:23:48pm

re: #517 Zimriel

Yeah an ugly scenario. He is so detached, as if he really doesn’t care that it falls apart, his vision is extreme left wealth redistribution.

Doesn’t work, people who have money will not do any projects if the taxes are too high. I mean why get up in the morning and take your money out of your bank account to do something if its going to be taxed away? Why keep it in an American bank if the interest taxes are too high. Why buy an American bond if the taxes on the profits are too high.

This is what professional public servants don’t understand: WHERE the money comes from. Guess what, rich people have shoes, and they walk away.

634 Right Brain  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:27:51pm

re: #632 Rancher

Nobody knows the bottom, there are no rules here. Boomers are retiring they HAVE to take their money out of the market, they don’t have five to ten years to wait for a recovery. Personally I think we half way there, real estate and stocks.

635 Indypendent  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:35:16pm

When O-Bummer gets finished with his goal of reducing the economy of the USA to ashes…doesn’t he realize there will be nothing to redistribute to all his peeps?

Is O’s vision…”Lord, over nothing!”?

636 silypuddy  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 1:46:51pm

Forget yo-yo..

I’m thinking slinky working it’s way down the stairs…

637 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #253 lawhawk

The markets have a herd mentality, and right now they’re running scared. The bears don’t even know where a bottom is. There are no real safe havens in the market - sectors that are relatively safe compared with the rest of the market because the situation is so badly deteriorated and because the Administration’s policies are anti-business on a fundamental level.

We aren’t going to see the Administration propose corp tax cuts across the board, and they’ll dabble on the margins claiming that they’re cutting corp taxes, but the reality is that they’re busy proposing even more taxes - including carbon emission taxes that will stifle what little manufacturing is left in the country, the costs of which will be borne by all.

This administration’s reaction to events, so far, has been to attack its enemies: Rush Limbaugh, of course, but also the oil and gas industries. Here’s Geithner today, on the important issue today (carbon dioxide!).

638 abu_garcia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 2:18:54pm

The bottom is somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 on the DOW.

Google Didier Sornette, look at the charts of his predictions, compare them to a chart of the DOW, Spoos, or NYSE.

As for what happens after that? “You can’t stand the truth!”

“A system under stress will react in a direction to relieve the stress.” - Le Chatlier.

639 MJBrutus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 2:42:12pm

re: #20 jcm

Pay no attention to the day to day gyrations of a tracking poll.

It distracts you from paying attention to ME Rush Limbaugh!

/The One.

Fixed it.

640 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 2:56:32pm

re: #637 Zimriel

This administration’s reaction to events, so far, has been to attack its enemies: Rush Limbaugh, of course, but also the oil and gas industries. Here’s Geithner today, on the important issue today (carbon dioxide!).

They really need to lock Geithner in a closet; every time he opens his mouth in public, the market soars to a new bottom.

Off-topic blathering like today’s - on the economy-killing idea of CO2 caps - is not what anyone wants to hear. Cluelessness about the economy is not what anyone wants to hear. An appalling lack of experience, depth and breadth on seemingly all matters Geithner should be at least competent in is not what anyone wants to hear.

What people want to hear is a single plan, in detail, with reasonable explanations of why it will work, how it will be implemented, and what it’s expected results will be, along with a reasonably detailed timetable.

Bernanke - who seems to actually know what he’s doing when he speaks - gave a singularly dismal account of current economic conditions to Congress last week. And because he presented himself well, thoughtfully and in detail, the markets went up. Because they were hearing what no one else in the Administration is even coming close to presenting - a detailed analysis of the problem, a prediction of what the future holds over specific periods of time, and a plan for dealing with it.

Geithner is completely out of his depth, and every public appearance only reinforces his inexperience and ineptness. He needs a big patch of extra-strong duct tape plastered over his piehole and epoxied in place.

641 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #638 abu_garcia

The bottom is somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 on the DOW.

Google Didier Sornette, look at the charts of his predictions, compare them to a chart of the DOW, Spoos, or NYSE.

As for what happens after that? “You can’t stand the truth!”

“A system under stress will react in a direction to relieve the stress.” - Le Chatlier.

I found a bunch of articles that are analyses of past results. Nothing predictive, just polynomial fits to existing market data. Polynomials are notoriously bad at extrapolation.

Got a reference? I didn’t look through everything, so perhaps I missed what you’re referring to.

642 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 3:10:54pm

re: #632 Rancher

Ouch, don’t shoot the messenger. Look at it as a buying opportunity you won’t see again in our lifetime.

Agree. Right now, the markets are in panic mode - they aren’t reacting to news (other than the dismal news that Geithner and much of the rest of the Administration appear to be functional morons), they’re reacting to hysteria. Lots and lots of good companies that will certainly continue to perform well in the future are being dragged down to ridiculous discounts, and represent real buying opportunities.

Identifying those isn’t exactly straightforward, of course.

Meanwhile, if it makes anyone feel better - a whole slew of banks are considering returning their TARP funds, along with accrued interest, because they simply don’t need them anymore now that credit markets have improved; job losses week over week and month over month, though still depressingly high, are significantly lower; and announced layoff plans are also dropping significantly. Not sure at all if we’ve hit bottom yet, but it’s quite possible we’re at least scraping it, in terms of the economy as a whole if not the markets.

643 SFTech  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 3:39:46pm

If Bush was President the Headline:
Moron President Kills Stock Market with Radically Impossible Plan Backed up Irrelevant Staff.

With Obama as President the Headline:
President of World Saves Planet by Directing Treasury Secretary to Focus on Global Warming.

Obama the messiah is able to see what we can’t. P/Es meaning doesn’t matter, it’s about destroying the US economy thus saving the planet. We all know that if we don’t have a job, we won’t have to drive to work. Thus the planet is saved.

Sad…so sad.

644 witness  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 4:41:24pm

The talking heads in the media keep saying its all about housing, we must stabilize housing. I disagree. Its all about government waste, over regulation of nascent industries (like nanotechnology), and oppressive corporate taxation. Until we produce again as a nation, this will not turn around, and as long as government is opposed to capitalism and addicted to spending on social welfare programs and rigged contracts, we will continue our downward slide. Given the current bent of this government’s doomed social philosophies and rampant corruption, I foresee many more moons before this nightmare comes to and end. I am starting to believe that they secretly want America to enter a depression (if we have not already opened that seal?). A destitute populace is a means to their end. We thought we won the Cold War, but I believe we have been loosing the final battle for decades. We may never recover.

645 AlexRogan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:42pm

re: #329 jcm

The permanent WH staff knows how the protocols work, and what goes into a State visit.

This tells me Obama’s staff over ruled the recommendations of the permanent staff.

Somebody made a decision to do things this way.

Why?

Because Dear Leader and WAB know better than everyone else, no matter what expertise or experience those other people may have, don’tcha know?

/wish I were kidding about Dear Leader, man-god…

646 SixDegrees  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 4:47:51am

re: #236 avanti

OK, fair is fair. BHO needs to learn how to chose better gifts for foreign heads of state, first lady too.

Just lame

Sadly, this only reinforces my impression that Obama is an empty suit, an utterly incompetent boob intent on stumbling through the Presidency on his good looks and little else.

There is no plan. At a time when the nation desperately needs one.

647 apachegunner  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:13:30am

re: #622 SFGoth

You can’t get a prescription for MJ. That is illegal. However, dox can *recommend* it. You then go to a “club” that looks like it belongs in Amsterdam. It’s amazing. You can get MJ in many, many varieties.

And ya run into Goth right? :>)


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