Uncle Jimbo Jumps the Conclusion

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Over at Ace of Spades, Uncle Jimbo jumped to a completely unwarranted conclusion and proceeded to slam both Zombie and me, over Zombie’s article on the pro-Islam bus advertising campaign: No ads for Islam.

I guess I need a refresher on exactly what this freedom of speech thing is all about. I was under the impression that it meant pretty much what the words said, but apparently some folks don’t get it. Some supporters of Islam have had the temerity to assume that the first amendment applied to them, silly Muslims. The folks at LGF and the usually useful Zombie have taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR.

I guess you do need a refresher, Uncle Jimbo, but in reading comprehension. Because neither Zombie nor I wrote a single word advocating that those ads should be censored or shut down.

If their ads piss you off then buy your own pointing out what horrible things get done in the name of the Religion of Peace.

Or maybe — write a blog post pointing out who is behind the ads? You know — by exercising that “free speech” thing you’re all hot and bothered about?

It’s hard to imagine a more wrong-headed, completely off-base attack.

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247 comments
1 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:40:14pm

I think the ads should keep going - and include phase 2 of the call to become Muslim, the threats if you don't.
That might convince a few more people (but not moonbats).

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:40:19pm

Some people are just compelled to take things the wrong way so the can justify their LGF hate.

3 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:40:35pm

I don't think they should be censored. They just suck.

4 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:41:15pm

Ridiculous assertion on his part, speech is free, and we are free to criticize. Not only the speech, but the groups behind it and their agenda. Jimbo needs to get a grip.

5 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:41:51pm

I hate misunderstandings like this... create tensions among those who should be friends.

6 researchok  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:42:00pm

As my grandfather used to say, 'Stupidity is a commodity given out by God in great abundance."

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:42:20pm

re: #4 Thanos

Ridiculous assertion on his part, speech is free, and we are free to criticize. Not only the speech, but the groups behind it and their agenda. Jimbo needs to get a grip.

That would require rational thought and leaves no room for LGF hatin'.

8 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:42:34pm

Where th' hell's he coming up with that?
He's reading a whole lot into Charles' and zom's posts.

9 Devil's Advocate  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:42:55pm

How is this guy in charge of the IRS?!

Youtube Video
10 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:42:58pm

Being critical of speech is also free speech.

I am critical of running ads for a religion that advocated the murder of people for being gay, in a city with a very dense gay population.

but it's the right of the bus company to run them.
( and the right of citizens to stop riding the bus carrying the banner if they so choose)

11 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:43:32pm

Newsflash for Uncle Jimbo: criticism does not equal censorship.

12 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:44:16pm

OT OMG!

13 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:44:16pm

You know what's got Jimbo upset? Teh Gay angle. In reality Zombie was pointing at the hypocrisy of that community. Think about the recent demos over prop 8, Mormon church etc, yet they don't bat an eye over Islam.

14 Alouenghazi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:44:17pm

Zombie's blog, and the thread here, were not about banning the ads, but rather the strange non-reaction of San Franciscans who would have had strokes and heart attacks en masse had the ads been placed by Mormons or evangelical Christians.

15 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:44:20pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Some people are just compelled to take things the wrong way so the can justify their LGF hate.

Does UJ have a history of hating LGF?

16 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:44:43pm

i'm just hoping anyone who reads that shite takes exception to the word
"submission".

17 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:45:23pm

Am I completely off based when I say that I fear my own President more than terrorism?

18 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:45:40pm
I guess I need a refresher on exactly what this freedom of speech thing is all about.

yep

19 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:45:55pm
It’s hard to imagine a more wrong-headed, completely off-base attack.

Obama's attack on capitalism comes close.

20 brookly red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:46:09pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

OT OMG!

/yes we can!

21 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:46:12pm

re: #19 karmic_inquisitor

Obama's attack on capitalism comes close.


yes, true

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:46:18pm

Gee, where did I get the mistaken idea that blogs were for the posting of opinion? Obviously, we cannot post our opinions here -- neither the proprietor nor the guests.

This guest is MORTIFIED!
I have SINNED!
Please forgive me, Ace of Sanctimony!

/asshole

23 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:46:19pm

They can't see the irony with those ads being run in San Francisco and the backgrounder on the ICNA clerics, fatwas, and how it relates to the inherent knee jerk reactions to these sort of things in the Bay Area and how it also relates to the populations of Polk Street and The Castro?

I guess linear thinking will do that.

24 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:47:08pm

re: #20 brookly red

/yes we can!

Just when you think he has done the dumbest thing possible. . .he outdoes himeslf. . .

25 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:47:32pm

I would not ride on a bus with those words on it. Are the buses subsidized with taxpayer dollars?

26 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:48:14pm

Uncle Jimbo
At The Ace of Spade
His Reading level
Not making the grade


Burma Shave

27 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:48:45pm

Charles and Zombie are both more than capable of defending themselves,
But it still makes me wanna tell UJ to chew on my scaley ass.
Is that outa line?

28 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:48:53pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

OT OMG!

Thread worthy........

29 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:01pm

uncle jimbo just wants a little attention.

30 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:14pm

re: #11 ConservatismNow!

Newsflash for Uncle Jimbo: criticism does not equal censorship.

That's a tough proposition for many people to get these days. A lot of people take any criticism badly. The self-esteem bilge they got in school leaves them taking any criticism as an attempt to put them down.

31 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:24pm

re: #17 NYCHardhat

Am I completely off based when I say that I fear my own President more than terrorism?

I think so, but for the life of me I can't figure out how?

32 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:29pm

re: #25 BatGuano

I would not ride on a bus with those words on it. Are the buses subsidized with taxpayer dollars?

Paid for with Islamist Hate Dollars.

Now available at a sharia compliant bank near you.

33 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #24 DisturbedEma

Just when you think he has done the dumbest thing possible. . .he outdoes himeslf. . .

Next he'll be hosting Dinner Jacket at the White House Wednesday night Congas.

/I can see it

34 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:49:42pm

Gee, now I'm feeling guilty that I've become a point of contention between people whom I both like! It's like I'm four years old again: "Mommy! Daddy Stop arguing! I didn't mean it!"

Perhaps I should repost the two comments I left at Ace of Spades (both of which got their formatting messed up. Comments to follow in next LGF comment...

35 Town Of Rock Ridge  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:12pm

Clearly this guy owns a Jump To Conclusions Mat.

36 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:13pm

78 Uncle jimbo, this is zombie, the person who made the report about the bus ads, at zombietime. In your posting here, you state "the usually useful Zombie has taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR." Where exactly in my post do I say that? Read it again. You'll find, in fact, that I never say that at all. I never once say these ads should be banned, nor do I even imply it. All I did is point out that the Mayor of Ft. Lauderdale joined a protest against the ads, and speculated as to why the usually aggressively anti-religion hypersensitive San Franciscans had studiously made no comment about these ads. But I did NOT state that I myself want them banned, which you can see clearly enough in my post. If anything, I’m GLAD the ads are running, because it gives me an opportunity to expose the true agenda of Islamic extremists and to point out the hypocrisy of their secular apologists. I'm as pro-free speech as you. And even though I don't think these ads fall under the rubric of constitutional "free speech" (advertising companies can choose their clients as they see fit), I was not myself protesting against the existence of the ads. Quite the opposite: I see them as a "teaching moment." No hard feelings -- I'm a big fan of Ace of Spades -- just wanted to set the record straight.
Posted by: zombie at March 05, 2009 07:38 PM (lGa4I)

37 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:22pm

re: #28 jcm
Agreed!

38 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:28pm

re: #25 BatGuano

I would not ride on a bus with those words on it. Are the buses subsidized with taxpayer dollars?

Buses are, but ads are paid for by whom every wants to place them on buses. Ad revenue offsets the operating costs.

Who every wants to pony up and cash and buy a bus ad, fine. But that doesn't mean bus ads are off the table for discussion.

39 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:28pm

re: #31 Nevergiveup

I think so, but for the life of me I can't figure out how?

Thats exactly what I was thinking. I'm confused.

40 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:55pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

OT OMG!

The farmer's asking for the fox's advice on how to keep the hens safe.

41 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:50:55pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

OT OMG!

That's Spinoff worthy.

42 ArmyWife  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:00pm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

A pet peeve of mine is the the rampant misunderstanding of this right. This does not guarantee any and everybody to say what the heck they want where ever they want. Corporations, businesses, schools, etc. can place limits on speech at will. Charles can decide what he will or will not allow "said" on his blog. Magazines can refuse to print ads or stories as they would like. It is the GOVERNMENT that cannot pass laws outlawing speech, most specifically speech that is critical of the government.

At last check, neither Charles, nor Zombie are members of Congress. If they were, we might not be in the pickle we are in. That aside, the issue was not with the ability to run such ads, but the organizations BEHIND the ads. To draw a different conclusion would mean the person didn't bother to read the posts in question.

43 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:05pm

re: #31 Nevergiveup

I think so, but for the life of me I can't figure out how?

The terrorists give us a bruise. The Prez wants to give us a lobotomy.

44 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:15pm

re: #36 zombie

Yay zombie !

Thats telling 'em !

45 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:23pm

re: #36 zombie

GLAD?

/Nice rimshot.

46 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:44pm

re: #36 zombie

78 Uncle jimbo, this is zombie, the person who made the report about the bus ads, at zombietime. In your posting here, you state "the usually useful Zombie has taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR." Where exactly in my post do I say that? Read it again. You'll find, in fact, that I never say that at all. I never once say these ads should be banned, nor do I even imply it. All I did is point out that the Mayor of Ft. Lauderdale joined a protest against the ads, and speculated as to why the usually aggressively anti-religion hypersensitive San Franciscans had studiously made no comment about these ads. But I did NOT state that I myself want them banned, which you can see clearly enough in my post. If anything, I’m GLAD the ads are running, because it gives me an opportunity to expose the true agenda of Islamic extremists and to point out the hypocrisy of their secular apologists. I'm as pro-free speech as you. And even though I don't think these ads fall under the rubric of constitutional "free speech" (advertising companies can choose their clients as they see fit), I was not myself protesting against the existence of the ads. Quite the opposite: I see them as a "teaching moment." No hard feelings -- I'm a big fan of Ace of Spades -- just wanted to set the record straight.
Posted by: zombie at March 05, 2009 07:38 PM (lGa4I)

"the usually useful Zombie"?

You dick!
/Spiccoli

47 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:54pm

[Citing comments psoted at Ace of Spades]

2 "I see no call for censorship by Zombie, only straightforward criticism of the Islamists' duplicitous speech. We need more of that, not less. Posted by: Tantor"

"14 Hear, Hear, but, FTR, I don't think Zombie was calling for censorship. Posted by: Techie."

"19 I don't think Zombie's post was a call for the banning or removal of these ads from the busses. I thought it was more of a criticism of San Fransisco libs... Posted by: conservativeinthecity"

"29 I also read zombies article as a critique of the liberals who are taking it all "sitting down" when obviously they would be going nuts if these were Christian ads. I didn't see anything that called for this to be banned. Posted by: iDoc"

"43 After reading this post, I was disappointed in LGF. Then I went and looked at LGF and Zombie--there is no call for censorship. LGF says almost nothing, merely referring readers to Zombie, and Zombie even mentions that CAIR/ICNA have a right to advertise if they so choose. Pretty misleading post, Uncle Jimbo. Posted by: Smiley"

"61 ...if one reads her actual article linked to by LGF, her summation is exactly this point. Jimbo may need to do a retraction on this one. Posted by: sithkhan" "

77 Why is Jimbo taking criticism of the ads as criticism of allowing them to be shown? Criticism of the ads IS free speech. ...For her part, Zombie merely notes that Christian speech is routinely protested in SF by marches etcetera ... Posted by: Alec Rawls"

From me: THANK YOU to all of you for pointing this out. I have never in my life come out in favor of censorship or against free speech. Neither in this "bus ad" post nor in any other post.

[From Jimbo]:
 "71 As some of you have pointed out Zombie was not advocating restricting their speech just pointing out the hypocrisy and the weakness of the lefties who tolerate the creeping sharia. The free speech whining was from another religionist. My bad, but retractions hide the stupidity, so I just added a note to the peace noting my lack of coherence. I also clarified that Islamists not Islam in toto are offensive. I'm sure I fucked up some other stuff too, but that's enough for now.

Cordially, Uncle J"

[From me]:
 I still don't see your added note. The Ace post still seems to be focused on how people were calling for these ads to be banned. Maybe it will update later? In any case, thanks for being responsive to this. Sorry my original post allowed for misinterpretation -- it wasn't intentional.

Posted by: zombie at March 05, 2009 07:54 PM (lGa4I)

48 frangoldsmith  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:51:58pm

Ot Sorry but do any of you Canadian lizards know where the Highway of Heroes sign is outside Trenton on the 401. I am trying to get there in time for tomorrow's ceremony of my brother-in-law. I want a picture of the actual sign with my kids
Thanks for any help.

49 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #39 NYCHardhat

Thats exactly what I was thinking. I'm confused.

Such as: Good Riddance, Yucca Mountain
Obama pulls the plug on the nuclear industry's last best hope.
By Timothy Noah

[Link: www.slate.com...]

50 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #42 ArmyWife

"Free speech protects you from the government, not from me."
- Trace Adkins

One of my favorite lines of his.

51 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:16pm

re: #36 zombie

Spoken like a true gentleman zombie.

52 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:33pm

re: #36 zombie

78 Uncle jimbo, this is zombie, the person who made the report about the bus ads, at zombietime. In your posting here, you state "the usually useful Zombie has taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR." Where exactly in my post do I say that? Read it again. You'll find, in fact, that I never say that at all. I never once say these ads should be banned, nor do I even imply it. All I did is point out that the Mayor of Ft. Lauderdale joined a protest against the ads, and speculated as to why the usually aggressively anti-religion hypersensitive San Franciscans had studiously made no comment about these ads. But I did NOT state that I myself want them banned, which you can see clearly enough in my post. If anything, I’m GLAD the ads are running, because it gives me an opportunity to expose the true agenda of Islamic extremists and to point out the hypocrisy of their secular apologists. I'm as pro-free speech as you. And even though I don't think these ads fall under the rubric of constitutional "free speech" (advertising companies can choose their clients as they see fit), I was not myself protesting against the existence of the ads. Quite the opposite: I see them as a "teaching moment." No hard feelings -- I'm a big fan of Ace of Spades -- just wanted to set the record straight.
Posted by: zombie at March 05, 2009 07:38 PM (lGa4I)

Bravo, Zombie! You're the man Kipling wanted his son to become: Keeping your head when others are losing theirs and blaming it on you.

53 ArmyWife  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:35pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Is there anyway we can disqualify those who are terminally stupid from high government positions? That would be very helpful right about now.

54 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:52:51pm

re: #5 Joo-LiZ

I hate misunderstandings like this... create tensions among those who should be friends.

Me too. Uncomfortableness.

55 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:53:14pm

re: #40 MandyManners

The farmer's asking for the fox's advice on how to keep the hens safe.

When one extends an open hand the enemy may see it as being unarmed and choose to strike.

/Proverbs according to JCM.

56 RoyalCanadian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:53:35pm

I have no problem with muslims advertising for people to join their cult. There should, however, be a line on what happens if you ever want to quit being a muslim. Kinda the opposite of tobacco use. Quitting will be definitely be hazardous to your health.

57 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:54:04pm

re: #47 zombie

Okay good. Everyone stand down! Take us back down to DefCon 5! Recall the bombers.

58 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:54:10pm

comprehension. it's key.

59 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #47 zombie
Zombie, you truly are a treasure!

60 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:54:33pm

O'reilly just said that General Electric closed today at 666.

61 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:12pm

re: #59 DEZes

Zombie, you truly are a treasure!

Yes Zombie you are a treasure. Post me your secondhand resale value and your melt price. Gold and Silver both up and I need to make money somehow.

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:13pm

What's up with Ace? Zombie never said anything about censoring the ads. Neither did Charles. I just scrolled through the comments again and didn't see any of the commenters talk about banning the ads.

Is Ace pissed off about something else?

63 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:31pm

re: #56 RoyalCanadian

I have no problem with muslims advertising for people to join their cult. There should, however, be a line on what happens if you ever want to quit being a muslim. Kinda the opposite of tobacco use. Quitting will be definitely be hazardous to your health.

Took me a couple seconds, but good! Some graphic designer with photoshop oughta get on that. It could be a new Motoons moment.

64 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:42pm

re: #53 ArmyWife

Is there anyway we can disqualify those who are terminally stupid from high government positions? That would be very helpful right about now.

Actually to late, oh G-D I want to cry!

65 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:51pm

re: #38 jcm

Buses are, but ads are paid for by whom every wants to place them on buses. Ad revenue offsets the operating costs.

Who every wants to pony up and cash and buy a bus ad, fine. But that doesn't mean bus ads are off the table for discussion.

I find the ad highly distasteful. It would be akin to an an ad that said, "Come to Jesus or burn in hell".

66 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:54pm

What's a religionist?

67 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:55:55pm

re: #14 Alouette

Zombie's blog, and the thread here, were not about banning the ads, but rather the strange non-reaction of San Franciscans who would have had strokes and heart attacks en masse had the ads been placed by Mormons or evangelical Christians.

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

68 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:56:06pm

re: #57 ConservatismNow!

Okay good. Everyone stand down! Take us back down to DefCon 5! Recall the bombers.

[Gen. Ripper]

Mandrake, there will be no recall.

[/Gen. Ripper]

69 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:56:27pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

What's up with Ace? Zombie never said anything about censoring the ads. Neither did Charles. I just scrolled through the comments again and didn't see any of the commenters talk about banning the ads.

Is Ace pissed off about something else?

Blog envy.

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:56:54pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Bad, suicidal sick.

71 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:01pm

re: #53 ArmyWife

Is there anyway we can disqualify those who are terminally stupid from high government positions? That would be very helpful right about now.

I fantasize that anyone who voted for Obama loses their right to vote permanently. But I guess that would be wrong.

How about military get two votes?

72 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:15pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Fear against the real enemy. The one that butchers people and drops them off rooftops.

73 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:39pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

How do you keep from harming yourself or others in that place?

74 Emperor Norton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:48pm

Remember, there is no freedom of speech under sharia law.

When these first appeared in San Francisco in early February, I protested to the San Francisco Municipal Transit Authority (SFMTA), to my local city Supervisor's office (the San Francisco Board of Supervisors is our city council), to the Anti-Defamation League, and to the American Civil Liberties Union. My view is that even a quasi-independent government agency should not accept advertising from religions!

The next day, I saw one of these ads on a California Street cable car, and I nearly passed out.

75 Alouenghazi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:51pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Nobody wants to end up at the bottom of an elevator shaft.

76 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:51pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

That's a tough proposition for many people to get these days. A lot of people take any criticism badly. The self-esteem bilge they got in school leaves them taking any criticism as an attempt to put them down.


ala Rush.

77 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:57:59pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

GRAMSCIAN WHOREDOM OF THE CALIPHATE!

78 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:58:14pm
79 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:58:14pm

re: #65 BatGuano

I find the ad highly distasteful. It would be akin to an an ad that said, "Come to Jesus or burn in hell".

I'll bet you can't get that on a bus in SanFran.

Or even Come to Jesus.

80 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:58:18pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.


Are they insane, ignorant, suicidal or afraid?

81 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.


Strange how people ignore the 1000 pound Gorilla.

82 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:59:24pm

re: #67 zombie

The left sees Islam as an enemy of the right. Therefore, it's another case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

83 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 5:59:41pm

Ace - you fucked up, an apology is due.

84 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:00:52pm

THURSDAY, MARCH 05, 2009

Roseanne Barr Discovers Evil Israeli Government Is Really Firing Missiles On Its Own People

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are we even protecting her right to speak? Yeah I guess so. But what a waste of air.

85 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:01:22pm

Jindal alert! He will critique his own Republican response speech on Hannity

86 ArmyWife  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:01:55pm

re: #85 Afrocity

That should be useful.

87 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:03pm

re: #82 Gus 802

The left sees Islam as an enemy of the right. Therefore, it's another case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The left cannot tell who its enemies really are. The Islamists would send them to the wall first thing after they took over.

88 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:08pm

re: #85 Afrocity

Jindal alert! He will critique his own Republican response speech on Hannity

I'd rather watch "The office"

89 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:12pm

re: #82 Gus 802

The left sees Islam as an enemy of the right. Therefore, it's another case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Even worse IMHO. The left wish to deny individual liberty via state control. Islam seeks to deny individual liberty via religious control.

Both see those who hold liberty dear as the enemy. They have common cause against liberty.

90 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:23pm

re: #60 Afrocity
Never have had a chance to welcome you here, so I am taking the time now.
A most profound welcome!

91 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:43pm

re: #85 Afrocity

Jindal alert! He will critique his own Republican response speech on Hannity

And I see Dr. Phil is on again tonight.

/turning channel

92 Pietr  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:02:44pm

OT-because I just got back-and wanted to repost from the earlier thread-this was my comment and a pertinent reply:

re: #402 Pietr

OT-just got back after being crashed since Tuesday. My router FORGOT it's programming? I'm an old time Maint tech/PC tech, and have never had any eqpmnt shut down because it just forgot....Sheesh. This was software/programming-nothing electrical/mechanical. I finally got thru to Linksys today, and got it fixed-thru some internet backdoor that is apparently hardwired into it? It couldn't have reached the Internet otherwise, apparently-because it forgot everything else. Lord save us, between computers and BO, we're doomed-DOOMED I tells ya.......

re: #414 Kosh's Shadow

Now, since Linksys is owned by Cisco, and a lot of the stuff is made in China, the idea that there is a backdoor in their routers worries me.

Why did I do this-because I misdiagnosed the problem and solution. As I talked with the Linksys tech, and he walked me thru tihngs-he mentioned "plug and play"! I missed that until I reconstructed our discussion. I HAD to open up IE for his solution to work-understand? The router was hard wired to this 'plug and play' IE link-and once my IE finally opened to my homepage, "Unable to connect"-I was instructed to type in a URL that BYPASSED protocols to take me to the Linksys homepage, and correct the problem. This is great, Yes? Or not, because the backdoor Kosh and I worry about is in IE, in Windows, and who knows what other browser 'plug and play' software-and a backdoor can be used 2 ways, from my limited tech knowledge. I invite all software types to comment-but if someone would flag this to Charles and Stinky, maybe they can allay my concern.....I found the whole matter odd and disconcerting. Help, any programmers/IT types...it would be appreciated.

Cheers,

from

a

worried

Lizard,

Pietr

93 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:03:09pm

re: #85 Afrocity

Jindal alert! He will critique his own Republican response speech on Hannity

I can't freaking stand watching Hannity.

I like the guy, I just can't take it.

"youre a great american" "no youre a great american"

On and on...

94 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:03:12pm

re: #83 Jimmah

Ace - you fucked up, an apology is due.


Doesn't Ace let other individuals make blog entries? This post was an Uncle Jimbo post, not Ace specifically. No only that - this post looks like it's at the alternative Ace site - not the real one.

95 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:03:14pm

re: #85 Afrocity

Thanks. I just unmuted the tv

96 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:03:40pm

re: #89 jcm

Even worse IMHO. The left wish to deny individual liberty via state control. Islam seeks to deny individual liberty via religious control.

Both see those who hold liberty dear as the enemy. They have common cause against liberty.

True, there are many similarities and they both share a Common Cause.

97 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:04:02pm

re: #84 Nevergiveup

THURSDAY, MARCH 05, 2009

Roseanne Barr Discovers Evil Israeli Government Is Really Firing Missiles On Its Own People

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are we even protecting her right to speak? Yeah I guess so. But what a waste of air.

When you fart, no-one rushes to preserve it. You let the wind disperse it and stay silent, hoping that someone else will make enough noise to block out the sound.

98 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:04:34pm

re: #94 FrogMarch

I just noticed that too but if you go to the other url you'll find the sames post.

99 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #90 DEZes

Thanks I appreciate that.

100 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:04:49pm

re: #13 Thanos

You know what's got Jimbo upset? Teh Gay angle. In reality Zombie was pointing at the hypocrisy of that community. Think about the recent demos over prop 8, Mormon church etc, yet they don't bat an eye over Islam.

The Californian gay community should take a leaf out of Peter Tatchell's book.

ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM IN BRITAIN

Peter Tatchell warns that Muslim fundamentalists are a growing threat to gay human rights in Britain.

[Link: www.petertatchell.net...]

101 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:09pm

re: #25 BatGuano

I would not ride on a bus with those words on it. Are the buses subsidized with taxpayer dollars?

Remember, the public transit is getting money FROM CAIR to run the ads.
And at least they are honest about submission! I hope that frightens a few people.

102 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:13pm

bbiaw

103 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:27pm

re: #97 Buster Bunny

When you fart, no-one rushes to preserve it. You let the wind disperse it and stay silent, hoping that someone else will make enough noise to block out the sound.

Well except when you fart under the covers, but that's a whole other discussion for another day.

104 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:30pm

re: #93 Harry Tuttle

I can't freaking stand watching Hannity.

I like the guy, I just can't take it.

"youre a great american" "no youre a great american"

On and on...

But Harry...YOU are a great American.

105 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:32pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

The left cannot tell who its enemies really are. The Islamists would send them to the wall first thing after they took over.

They're typically in denial about that aspect and your description is correct. The left has a tendency to play apologist for the very same cultures or sub-cultures that would destroy them in an instant.

106 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:05:43pm
107 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:06:05pm

re: #84 Nevergiveup

THURSDAY, MARCH 05, 2009

Roseanne Barr Discovers Evil Israeli Government Is Really Firing Missiles On Its Own People

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are we even protecting her right to speak? Yeah I guess so. But what a waste of air.

They did the liposuction on the wrong end........

108 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:07:01pm

re: #100 Jimmah

The Californian gay community should take a leaf out of Peter Tatchell's book.

ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM IN BRITAIN

Peter Tatchell warns that Muslim fundamentalists are a growing threat to gay human rights in Britain.

[Link: www.petertatchell.net...]

This is what I don't get. Why gays are so pro muslim when they want to kill them. I can't think of one person that wants to kill me that I want to support......*scratching head*

109 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:07:06pm

re: #88 Shug

I'd rather watch "The office"

I've got CSI paused to watch Hannity. Taylor Swift is guest-starring on CSI tonight.

110 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:07:15pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I just noticed that too but if you go to the other url you'll find the sames post.

you're correct - it is there.

111 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:07:35pm

Ill bet no one ever called uncle Jimbo "usually useful".

112 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:07:37pm

re: #106 Iron Fist

She breaths out CO2 with every breath. Maybe they should cap and trade her ass.

And tax it.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:08:36pm

re: #92 Pietr

Interesting. I always turn OFF plug and play, because if one legit software can open a hole, so can malware.

The only problem I had with my Linksys router was (I think) because I turned on logging and it ran out of space. After I turned it off, it has worked fine.
Of course, Vista and Leopard will still randomly disconnect and I have to turn WiFi off and on again, but that is something else. (And yes, it happens both with Vista and Mac)

But I was afraid they had a backdoor into the router, and that would concern me.
Of course, it could be sending all kinds of info out. Maybe I should put a linux box upstream running Wireshark, as if I have the time.

114 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:08:58pm

Jindal: Look beyond the delivery of my speech and look at the content

I did. So?

115 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:00pm

re: #94 FrogMarch

Doesn't Ace let other individuals make blog entries? This post was an Uncle Jimbo post, not Ace specifically. not the real one.

Ah....ok, I should have said "Jimbo, you fucked up". But still, I reckon that if one puts one's name at the top of a blog - one is kinda responsible for what is posted there.

116 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:04pm

re: #103 Nevergiveup

Well except when you fart under the covers, but that's a whole other discussion for another day.

There are advantages in having dogs.
Me? No, must have been one of the dogs.

117 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #104 Afrocity

But Harry...YOU are a great American.

Mark Levin runs a good show and I don't think I have ever disagreed with him on anything but I wish he would stop jumping all over Savage.

Savage whatever you think of him is a good talker and I like his stories.

118 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:20pm

The blogosphere corrects itself, just like science.

119 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:22pm

re: #101 Kosh's Shadow

Frightens the hell out of me.

120 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:24pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Is banning gatness anything like hanging gays from cranes?

Because if I were gay, that would be the picture in my mind.

121 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:27pm

Is there such a thing as a French Obamamite British Lawmaker?

UK lawmakers meet with militant groups

At least three British lawmakers have been holding unofficial meetings with militant groups in the Middle East for the past two years, one of the legislators told CNN Thursday.

The lawmakers met high-ranking officials from Hezbollah and Hamas, said Michael Ancram, one of the legislators involved.

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:09:58pm

The following is how Ace's top paragraph ends -- now, at least.

The folks at LGF and the usually useful Zombie have taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR. Actually they seem to be complaining more about the hypocrisy than the right to air it as pointed out in the comments.

Is the "Actually they seem..." sentence what he meant when he said:

...so I just added a note to the peace noting my lack of coherence.

If so, it's a damned weak whatever-the-hell-it-is, and in my not-so-humble opinion, he's just made his screw-up worse.

123 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:10:10pm

re: #111 Boxy_brown

Did I tell you that I love that avatar!

ooo Boxy Brown Sugar! Sho nuff'

124 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:10:11pm

re: #116 Kosh's Shadow

There are advantages in having dogs.
Me? No, must have been one of the dogs.

Kids are good for that also

125 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:10:41pm

re: #118 Thanos

The blogosphere corrects itself, just like science.

Like Ethernet.

126 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:10:59pm

re: #84 Nevergiveup

THURSDAY, MARCH 05, 2009

Roseanne Barr Discovers Evil Israeli Government Is Really Firing Missiles On Its Own People

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are we even protecting her right to speak? Yeah I guess so. But what a waste of air.

She is one of the vilest humans to ever draw a breath, I dont know whether to pity her or loathe her, so I will just settle for both.

127 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:11:03pm

re: #80 Shug

Are they insane, ignorant, suicidal or afraid?

Many people -- even here -- say that it is simply ignorance of Islam which prevents gay activists from ever speaking out against it. But I disagree. It is fear. I know it is fear. Activists are not stupid people. They have eyes and ears. They hear what life is like under sharia -- which ICNA is pushing for. But they refuse to talk back because they are deathly afraid of what might happen to them if they do. Christians and Mormons are an easy target because they're, well, nonviolent.

128 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:11:16pm

re: #120 OldLineTexan

Is banning gatness anything like hanging gays from cranes?

Because if I were gay, that would be the picture in my mind.

How aware is the homosexual community of this?

129 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:11:51pm

re: #123 Afrocity

ooo Boxy Brown Sugar! Sho nuff'

Daaaaaam right baby.

/theme from shaft.

130 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:12:02pm

re: #121 jorline

Is there such a thing as a French Obamamite British Lawmaker?

UK lawmakers meet with militant groups

The UK's cluemeter is still reading zero. What is the point of meeting with someone who has already told you he hates you and considers himself religiously obligated to conquer or kill you.

131 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:12:10pm

re: #117 Harry Tuttle

Mark Levin runs a good show and I don't think I have ever disagreed with him on anything but I wish he would stop jumping all over Savage.

Savage whatever you think of him is a good talker and I like his stories.

Harry one of the highest compliments I have ever received was when Laura Bush told me that I was a patriot. I was in my 20's and a Democrat then but i felt great. I love it when Sean Hannity says you are a great American.

132 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:12:22pm

re: #127 zombie

Everyone picks on the geeks and the nerds in school, but nobody picks on the bullies.

133 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:12:39pm

That's a odd attack Charles, since part of our discussion was about that very freedom of speech issue. They apparently just picked their wrong heading idea of your opinion on the issue.

134 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:12:48pm

re: #129 Boxy_brown

Daaaaaam right baby.

/theme from shaft.

Shut yo mouth!

135 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:13:14pm

re: #129 Boxy_brown

Daaaaaam right baby.

/theme from shaft.

You're a complicated man and nobody understands you like your woman.

136 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:13:15pm

re: #114 Afrocity

The content was the big problem. Everyone could forgive some crappy delivery. The content sucked.

137 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:13:18pm

re: #115 Jimmah

Ah....ok, I should have said "Jimbo, you fucked up". But still, I reckon that if one puts one's name at the top of a blog - one is kinda responsible for what is posted there.

Everyone blogs differently. (IMO) If Uncle Jimbo had any grace he'd admit that Charles and Zombie were only pointing out the religious hypocrisy of San Francisco.

138 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:13:50pm

Maybe Jimbo can't read. That would be a simple explanation.

139 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:14:14pm

Some commenters have sunk to using the Ace of Spades threads to complain about LGF evolution threads. I take it they are in favor only of selected speech.

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:14:16pm

re: #94 FrogMarch

Doesn't Ace let other individuals make blog entries? This post was an Uncle Jimbo post, not Ace specifically. No only that - this post looks like it's at the alternative Ace site - not the real one.

Thanks for pointing that out.

141 stevieray  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:14:38pm

re: #92 Pietr

My linksys wireless router was always misbehaving -- shutting down mid-session, losing track of the internet, etc...

I reflashed it with dd.wrt -- a linux based wireless router firmware.

Have had no problems ever since.

142 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:14:49pm

re: #137 FrogMarch

Everyone blogs differently. (IMO) If Uncle Jimbo had any grace he'd admit that Charles and Zombie were only pointing out the religious hypocrisy of San Francisco.

He did actually: "Actually they seem to be complaining more about the hypocrisy than the right to air it as pointed out in the comments."

It is just his whole thread was kind of disjointed

143 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #127 zombie

Many people -- even here -- say that it is simply ignorance of Islam which prevents gay activists from ever speaking out against it. But I disagree. It is fear. I know it is fear. Activists are not stupid people. They have eyes and ears. They hear what life is like under sharia -- which ICNA is pushing for. But they refuse to talk back because they are deathly afraid of what might happen to them if they do. Christians and Mormons are an easy target because they're, well, nonviolent.

Well too bad. Its not a safe world. If you value freedom, you've got to be willing to put your life on the line for it. If you won't defend it, you'll lose it.

144 blangwort  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:18pm

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

I think the ads should keep going - and include phase 2 of the call to become Muslim, the threats if you don't.
That might convince a few more people (but not moonbats).

It might remove them from the very society that they hate. I call that a two-fer. And if they do survive the ordeal, they'll be hard pressed to stay on the left side of anything.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:26pm

re: #14 Alouette

Zombie's blog, and the thread here, were not about banning the ads, but rather the strange non-reaction of San Franciscans who would have had strokes and heart attacks en masse had the ads been placed by Mormons or evangelical Christians.

Oh, I seriously doubt that they would have--but does anyone know what happened to the NYC campaign by this group? People mentioned some things about it, I apologize if I missed something. Was it pulled? Are they still running.

146 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:27pm

re: #131 Afrocity

Harry one of the highest compliments I have ever received was when Laura Bush told me that I was a patriot. I was in my 20's and a Democrat then but i felt great. I love it when Sean Hannity says you are a great American.

I know, but that's what I mean, I like Sean and it's good to be a great American and all. It just gets old.

Like Emeril "I don't know where you get your [] but where I get mine it doesn't come seasoned".

Aaacck!

AC you're a great American!

147 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:27pm

re: #135 BatGuano

That should read "but" your woman. Oh, hell fuggedabout it.

148 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:37pm

re: #112 monkeytime

And tax it.

Pave it. Parking is in short supply.

149 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #137 FrogMarch

Everyone blogs differently. (IMO) If Uncle Jimbo had any grace he'd admit that Charles and Zombie were only pointing out the religious hypocrisy of San Francisco.

Maybe he's unaware of the nuances? Sometimes it takes having lived in a place like San Francisco to understand the backstory. Some group would even protest "Bambi" the movie on a regular basis. Everything was politicized and protested on a regular basis from air to zebras.

150 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:16:39pm

re: #146 Harry Tuttle

(salutes)

151 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:17:16pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the general consensus of opinion at LGF was that (1) they could do it (2) they just didnt tell the whole truth (3) that if the Christians and Jews placed such an ad, there would be a strongly worded letter sent their way.

152 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #147 BatGuano

That should read "but" your woman. Oh, hell fuggedabout it.

you just wanted another upding ;-)

153 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:17:21pm
122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The following is how Ace's top paragraph ends -- now, at least.

The folks at LGF and the usually useful Zombie have taken umbrage and seem to think these practitioners should not be allowed to do PR. Actually they seem to be complaining more about the hypocrisy than the right to air it as pointed out in the comments.


Is the "Actually they seem..." sentence what he meant when he said:

...so I just added a note to the peace noting my lack of coherence.


If so, it's a damned weak whatever-the-hell-it-is, and in my not-so-humble opinion, he's just made his screw-up worse.

Hmmmm -- you may be right. Maybe that sentence is the "update."

But the "update" in no way un-says what was said before. Even more confusing, frankly.

154 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:17:29pm

re: #127 zombie

Many people -- even here -- say that it is simply ignorance of Islam which prevents gay activists from ever speaking out against it. But I disagree. It is fear. I know it is fear. Activists are not stupid people. They have eyes and ears. They hear what life is like under sharia -- which ICNA is pushing for. But they refuse to talk back because they are deathly afraid of what might happen to them if they do. Christians and Mormons are an easy target because they're, well, nonviolent.

Hey! I can thump Bibles with the best of 'em! They should be very, very afraid of a good thumpin'!

////

155 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:17:46pm

re: #127 zombie

But I disagree. It is fear.

It's fear of being called a racist, even though theology isn't a race. Fear and a fundamental insecurity that they compensate for by demonstrating an inverted sense of moral superiority is what allows homosexuals to advocate for people who would stone them to death or Jews to waive a Hezbollah flag, etc. Frustrating.

156 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:18:21pm

Good point Ann Coulter: Oprah could just as well be the leader of the Democrats...or George Soros.

157 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:18:52pm

re: #127 zombie

As I said last night, I think an even bigger factor is the coalition-politicking gay activists and media do with the MultiKulti Left. They know full well what Islam means for gays, but keep quiet about it because they don't want to upset their delicate alliance with people who would exterminate them if they ever took power.

158 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:19:02pm

re: #128 MandyManners

How aware is the homosexual community of this?

I saw the pictures, and the news reports. It was pretty widely disseminated, I thought.

Some Republicans heard about it.

159 yochanan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:19:12pm

"The basic social principle of the Objectivist ethics is that no man has the right to seek values from others by means of physical force—i.e., no man or group has the right to initiate the use of physical force against others. Men have the right to use force only in self-defense and only against those who initiate its use. Men must deal with one another as traders, giving value for value, by free, mutual consent to mutual benefit. The only social system that bars physical force from human relationships is laissez-faire capitalism. Capitalism is a system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which the only function of the government is to protect individual rights, i.e., to protect men from those who initiate the use of physical force." Thus Objectivism rejects any form of collectivism, such as fascism or socialism. It also rejects the current "mixed economy" notion that the government should regulate the economy and redistribute wealth.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:19:33pm

re: #56 RoyalCanadian

I have no problem with muslims advertising for people to join their cult. There should, however, be a line on what happens if you ever want to quit being a muslim. Kinda the opposite of tobacco use. Quitting will be definitely be hazardous to your health.

Seriously, though--you know a whole lot of flaky Americans have become Muslims and wandered away from it to become Buddhists, and I can't recall ever hearing that anything happened to one of them. I think an Afghan who becomes a Christian is in real danger. A dumb college kid at SF State who becomes a Muslim and then gets bored with it is in danger of nothing more than finding a really stupid religion next.

161 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:20:26pm

re: #158 OldLineTexan

Thanks for that link Oldline.
I respect sites like that. They are patriots.

162 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:20:32pm
163 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:21:09pm

re: #156 Afrocity

Good point Ann Coulter: Oprah could just as well be the leader of the Democrats...or George Soros.

Zombie's done an excellent job fileting open these "grassroots" groups who hold demonstrations in SF and Berkeley. It's pretty scary how many of them are funded by Soros or groups he started.

164 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:21:23pm

re: #156 Afrocity

Good point Ann Coulter: Oprah could just as well be the leader of the Democrats...or George Soros.

She's not wrong about everything. But even when she's right, she's often so hostile and snarky I can't watch her. That, and her defense of the white supremacist CCC.

165 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:21:39pm

re: #152 Afrocity

I love my updings! More importantly, I want to be accurate. I love the song, it brings back teenage memories of being a teenager in 1971 and I love the line, " That cat shaft is bad mother..."

166 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:21:45pm

re: #162 Iron Fist

Don't they see where that leads? It isn't a real hard thing to project. You say they aren't stupid, but I'm hard pressed to see what else it could be. They'll placate the ones who will kill them because they have a comparatively minor disagreement with other people that share the same enemy? Does that flow right? They'll bitch and moan about the "American Taliban" while letting the very real Taliban set up shop in their neighborhoods?

If you don't call that stupid, terminally stupid, what do you call it? It isn't just fear. They are making a choice.

Do they hate Christianity that much?

167 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:21:56pm

Niccolò Machiavelli

168 EE  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:22:02pm

According to Uncle Jimbo, free speech means that an advertising campaign for Islam cannot be opposed by an advertising campaign that insists that Islam needs reform. Free speech is only in one direction, according to Uncle Jimbo. The exercise of freedom of speech is condemned as violating somebody's freedom of speech. I don't see freedom of speech as being for some but not for those who hold a different opinion.

There has been no action by the government to stop pro-Islam advertising, and neither should there be any governmental action -- criminal action or other -- to stop those who are critical of Islam. It is just as legitimate to be anti-Islam as to be pro-Islam; and where did Uncle Jimbo lose sight of that basic notion that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Yes, I know that the articles being denounced by Uncle Jimbo did not in any way criticise Islam. That just makes Uncle Jimbo's statements even more ridiculous. But if an article, or a book does criticise Islam, that is not in any way denying somebody else freedom of speech. Is the book Leaving Islam, Apostates Speak Out, edited by Ibn Warraq, a denial of anybody's free speech? No, it is not.

At Durban 2, there is a renewed effort to call for criminalizing any criticism of Islam. That seems to be what Uncle Jimbo would favor, since he regards any expression of speech that he disagrees with as a violation of somebody else's right to free speech. He has it all wrong. Those states that murder apostates are the ones denying people freedom of speech -- and denying freedom of religion also. And doesn't Islam itself -- the official version, preached by the Saudi-Wahhabis -- call for the killing of apostates?

169 Pietr  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:22:09pm

re: #141 stevieray

My linksys wireless router was always misbehaving -- shutting down mid-session, losing track of the internet, etc...

I reflashed it with dd.wrt -- a linux based wireless router firmware.

Have had no problems ever since.

My Linksys router is LAN connection-I REFUSE to do wireless! I have a cell phone, but only use it for talking to the missus when she send me shopping, or calling 911. I never broadcast my personal data, for good reason.

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:22:14pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Prop 8 is a real law. Pro-Islam posters on the bus are simply, uh, posters.

171 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:22:17pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

We call people like this "mystic surfers", and they've been around for decades. As John Buchan pointed out in his story "Fullcircle", people like this will break their own backs to patronize exotic sects, but flee from the Cross like vampires.

172 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:23:16pm

re: #162 Iron Fist

Don't they see where that leads? It isn't a real hard thing to project. You say they aren't stupid, but I'm hard pressed to see what else it could be. They'll placate the ones who will kill them because they have a comparatively minor disagreement with other people that share the same enemy? Does that flow right? They'll bitch and moan about the "American Taliban" while letting the very real Taliban set up shop in their neighborhoods?

If you don't call that stupid, terminally stupid, what do you call it? It isn't just fear. They are making a choice.

They ignore the evidence of where it really leads, Iron Fist. Because truly facing the problem would involve accepting that they are wrong about a great many things and have been for a long time. Most people are not strong enough to do that.

173 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:25:13pm

re: #165 BatGuano

it brings back teenage memories of being a teenager in 1971 and I love the line, " That cat shaft is bad mother..."

Well we can dig it...

Loved those movies. Compared to now they seem almost innocent, but man those cats were cool.

174 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:25:23pm

re: #166 MandyManners

Do they hate Christianity that much?

Well, they have been the targets of a lot of "hate" from "Christians". But apparently most of them have not been "hung from cranes" by "Islamists".

/

175 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:25:27pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

She's not wrong about everything. But even when she's right, she's often so hostile and snarky I can't watch her. That, and her defense of the white supremacist CCC.

I am mesmerized by her. I think she is gorgeous physically and I love her wit. She is a complete woman.

176 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

They ignore the evidence of where it really leads, Iron Fist. Because truly facing the problem would involve accepting that they are wrong about a great many things and have been for a long time. Most people are not strong enough to do that.

And the older one gets, the harder it is. One of my best decisions in life was to listen carefully and fairly to Libertarians and moderate Repubs, as well as refugees from the USSR and Cuba, while I was still in college, and then realize my teenaged socialism was based on lies, half-truths, and unworkable ideals.

177 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:26:03pm

re: #173 Boxy_brown

Well we can dig it...

Loved those movies. Compared to now they seem almost innocent, but man those cats were cool.

The important question is: Was "Shaft" included in the 25 DVD gift?

/

178 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:26:14pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Prop 8 is a real law. Pro-Islam posters on the bus are simply, uh, posters.

The name Californians use to describe civil unions (gay or straight) is a minor issue.

The posters may only be posters, but they essentially advocate extermination of homosexuals, when you look behind the scenes at the beliefs of who paid for them. That, to me, is a bigger issue.

179 carti3r  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:26:44pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

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180 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:27:08pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

The UK's cluemeter is still reading zero. What is the point of meeting with someone who has already told you he hates you and considers himself religiously obligated to conquer or kill you.

agree...let me know when you find the answer.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:27:43pm

re: #79 OldLineTexan

I'll bet you can't get that on a bus in SanFran.

Or even Come to Jesus.

"Come to Jesus or Burn In Hell", no. "Come to Jesus" would be fine.

182 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:27:44pm

re: #67 zombie

Exactamundo.

In fact, the very day after my post was published (i.e. today), 10,000 people marched in SF against Christians funding Proposition 8. As they marched, they passed bus after bus plastered with ads made by people who would not only ban gay marriage, they'd ban gayness entirely.

And nobody said a word.

Much like NOW, and other women's groups who turn a blind eye to this. No pun intended. This women also suffered disfigurement because the acid was thrown into her face.

Late last year an Iranian court ruled that the man — identified only as Majid — who blinded 30-year-old Ameneh Bahrami in 2004 after she spurned him, should also be blinded with acid based on the Islamic law system of “qisas,” or eye-for-an-eye retribution, according to Iranian newspaper reports from November.

But Bahrami, who moved to Spain after the attack to get medical treatment, said Wednesday that under Iranian law, she is entitled to blind him in only one eye, unless she pays 20,000 euro ($25,110), because in Iran women are not considered equal to men.

“They have told us that my two eyes are equal to one of his because in my country each man is worth two women. They are not the same,” she told Cadena SER radio.


Meanwhile Hillary Clinton is begging these backward morons for help. To make sure that women in Afghanistan can be worth about half, no doubt.

US to invite Iran to conference on Afghanistan

BRUSSELS – In a sign of the new emphasis on diplomacy, the Obama administration said Thursday that Iran would be invited to a high-level conference on Afghanistan's future.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton proposed the session, which could be held at the end of this month

183 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:28:36pm

I think the comments here provide further evidence that a picture says a thousand word. This isn't about chromatic questioning about "free speech" Yes, they may have a right to display ads pending a legal review with regards to the Establishment Clause. There is more to this advertisement campaign and it begs or even tempts further philosophical and political contemplation.

184 Outrider  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:28:51pm

I didn't find it an issue of free speech just inappropriate ads placed on government buses. More problematic is the city accepting money to post the signs on their buses when these are the same folks that will fight any effort to make even a token mention of God in the context of Christianity or Judaism.

Perhaps we were censuring-not censoring.

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:28:52pm

re: #177 OldLineTexan

The important question is: Was "Shaft" included in the 25 DVD gift?

/

You damn right it was.

186 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:30:34pm

re: #177 OldLineTexan


The important question is: Was "Shaft" included in the 25 DVD gift?

You bet! And the complete works of Pam Grier.

187 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:31:05pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

You damn right it was.

"And he can take it!" One of the greatest soundtrack songs of all time.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:31:10pm

re: #108 monkeytime

This is what I don't get. Why gays are so pro muslim when they want to kill them. I can't think of one person that wants to kill me that I want to support......*scratching head*

Can you give me an example of gays being 'pro-Muslim'? Not tiny nutjob groups like QUIT, but the average run of gay folks on the street? Most gay folks on the street I know are tolerant in religious matters for obvious reasons, but are well aware of the horror of life as a gay folk in the Middle East, say.

189 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:31:23pm
190 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:31:30pm

re: #137 FrogMarch

Everyone blogs differently. (IMO) If Uncle Jimbo had any grace he'd admit that Charles and Zombie were only pointing out the religious hypocrisy of San Francisco.

Actually, one weakness of the Zombie report is that the criticism of SF's "religious hypocrisy" is couched in what-if terms:

Imagine, for a moment, if a Christian group with similar goals had paid for and displayed proselytizing ads in the Castro.

The Zombie report would be a lot stronger if it included an actual example of a Christian group (for example) attempting to purchase ad space for an overtly religious message on these same city buses and being turned down. The comparisons with Prop 8 protests in California, or with bus ads in Florida, are both arguably apples-and-oranges, since neither actually involves a decision made by whoever runs the SF public buses.

On the other hand, this small shortcoming in Zombie's piece doesn't justify Jimbo's claim that Zombie and Charles are indifferent to free speech.

191 stevieray  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:32:15pm

re: #169 Pietr

OK. I understand. I saw "linksys" and assumed it was wireless... they are notoriously wonky.

192 Enrico20  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:33:01pm

I read both this blog and ace all the time. This is really upsetting.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #126 DEZes

She is one of the vilest humans to ever draw a breath, I dont know whether to pity her or loathe her, so I will just settle for both.

I'm pretty sure the woman is seriously mentally ill, if that makes any difference in your calculations.

Which does not stop me from frequently checking her blog and giggling. I suck.

194 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:35:00pm

Alas, Isaac Hayes died last year. He was a bad mother... (shut your mouth); but i'm talkin' 'bout Isaac!

195 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:35:16pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you give me an example of gays being 'pro-Muslim'? Not tiny nutjob groups like QUIT, but the average run of gay folks on the street? Most gay folks on the street I know are tolerant in religious matters for obvious reasons, but are well aware of the horror of life as a gay folk in the Middle East, say.

The key is, there is massive amounts of apoplectic activism by the gay community against Christianity, but ZERO activism against Islam. To the extent that they refuse to take a stand against Islamization, either here at home or in defense of the millions of gays in the Middle East, the SF activists are "pro-Muslim" through their inaction.

196 DrCruel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:35:38pm

The reason gay activists don't speak out against Islam is the same reason Black and feminists activists don't - it's because these "activists" are Marxists, and only pretend to care about an ethnic or gender-identified group so as to have a forum to support the Marxist gameplan.

At the moment, Marxists are having a great deal of trouble recruiting terrorists and killers on campus. I've seen the ISO try this in recent years, but they simply cant manage to put together the really violent groups that were so easy to organise back in the late 1960s. Right now, their best prospects for cannon fodder in their ongoing war against the West comes from the Muslim communisty, in particular amongst fundamentalists. That means that the Marxists will do nothing to antagonize these people, regardless of ideology, and that goes for their front organizations as well.

That was the whole point of bringing this issue up - not to attack free speech rights, but to illustrate the rank hypocrisy and cynical, entirely unjustified hostility the Left directs against the people of this country, especially amongst groups the Left considers to be those most capable of resisting their influence - Christians, Republicans, enlisted soldiers, etc. San Francisco's double standard regarding religion is only the latest example of that.

As an aside, I don't expect the "Muslim Bus" thread was meant especially to defend Christianity against Islam either. Not that anyone who frequents this site would make such a mistake. Just in case that come up later.

197 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:35:44pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you give me an example of gays being 'pro-Muslim'? Not tiny nutjob groups like QUIT, but the average run of gay folks on the street? Most gay folks on the street I know are tolerant in religious matters for obvious reasons, but are well aware of the horror of life as a gay folk in the Middle East, say.

When I say "pro Muslim" I don't mean flying to Iran I mean in a general sense they are pro Palestinian and anti-Isreal like most libs. A specific example of a person on the street? Ok. My gay daughter, her partner and their friends.

198 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #190 Throbert McGee

On the other hand, this small shortcoming in Zombie's piece doesn't justify Jimbo's claim that Zombie and Charles are indifferent to free speech.

I honestly think that this was more of a "uber conservative blog" takes a shot at a heretic thing... There was a "caught ya" tone to it... even though he had to re frame the original post to make it suit what he wanted it to say.

I could be wrong there though.

199 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:37:03pm

re: #194 BatGuano

Yes. Glad he lived long enough to be rediscovered by South Park and Beavis & Butthead fans (he did the title track for their movie: "Two Cool Dudes").

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:37:16pm

re: #166 MandyManners

Do they hate Christianity that much?

I understand that at Most Holy Redeemer Church in the Castro, many of them think they are Christians.

201 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:38:06pm

re: #179 carti3r

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202 carti3r  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #197 monkeytime

Ok. My gay daughter, her partner and their friends.

I doubt she would even listen to me....

203 Pietr  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:39:20pm

re: #195 zombie

The key is, there is massive amounts of apoplectic activism by the gay community against Christianity, but ZERO activism against Islam. To the extent that they refuse to take a stand against Islamization, either here at home or in defense of the millions of gays in the Middle East, the SF activists are "pro-Muslim" through their inaction.

I concur-which is why years back, the 'Silent Majority' became very VOCAL...they were no longer going to allow the politicians to destroy the US. Unfortunately, many have gone silent again-and their children/grandchildren have been LLL educated......:>((

204 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:39:27pm

re: #202 carti3r

I doubt she would even listen to me....

No she wouldn't so don't bother. We totally just never talk politics/world events anymore.

205 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:42:16pm

re: #190 Throbert McGee

The Zombie report would be a lot stronger if it included an actual example of a Christian group (for example) attempting to purchase ad space for an overtly religious message on these same city buses and being turned down. The comparisons with Prop 8 protests in California, or with bus ads in Florida, are both arguably apples-and-oranges, since neither actually involves a decision made by whoever runs the SF public buses.

On the other hand, this small shortcoming in Zombie's piece doesn't justify Jimbo's claim that Zombie and Charles are indifferent to free speech.

In case you haven't seen, I've updated my post since it was first posted, with more egregious and direct proof of ICNA's aggressively and menacingly anti-gay stance.

But, yes, I didn't have the time to dig up examples of Christians getting dissed by the SF gay community. Originally, my post was going to be just a quickie post with two photos for your amusement and a couple of snarky captions. But the more I dug, the more info I found, and befoe I knew it I was writing a major exposé -- which was not my intent. I had to stop myself, and just publish what I had, otherwise, I be researching for weeks -- just to explain a single photo of a bus.

Blog posting are not meant to be "perfect." My problem is that I've set the bar so high for myself, people tend to judge my posts on a different "zombie scale":

"I'd give it a C+ ... for you. I've seen you do better."

206 phillygirl  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:42:20pm

Here is something to gladden the hearts of CAIR members. The Kennedy Center is featuring Arab "Arts" in a three-week series called "Arabesque - Arts of the Arab World."
[Link: www.kennedy-center.org...]

Here is a description of one of the offerings: Tunisia's Familia Productions brings Khamsoun (meaning 50 in Arabic), a play written by Jalila Bakar and directed by Fadhel Jaibi. The work spans 50 years in Tunisia's history--from the country's independence up until 2006. It traces the story of Amal, the daughter of two leftist militants who is arrested following the suicide bombing of her teacher friend in the courtyard of the school. There are two resulting investigations after the bombing--one by the police and the other by Amal's mother, who seeks to understand the ideological shift in the country--awakening demons from the past. Khamsoun celebrates Tunisia's independence while also addressing the social challenges that Tunisia has faced. Performed in Arabic with English surtitles.

I wonder how many tickets they will sell........

207 carti3r  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:42:32pm

re: #204 monkeytime

I must not have a way with women then because my wife doesn't listen to me either.

208 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:43:29pm

re: #199 mikalm

Yes. Glad he lived long enough to be rediscovered by South Park and Beavis & Butthead fans (he did the title track for their movie: "Two Cool Dudes").

He also was the voice of Chef on South Park before he parted ways with Parker and Stone over their lampooning of Scientology (he was a Scientologist).

209 medaura18586  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:43:47pm

Uncle Jimbo doesn't seem to understand the difference between "its" and "it's." That always gets on my nerves.

A lot of misplaced anger on his post...

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:44:03pm

re: #182 ciaospirit

You know, I remember back when I was in college, and for some time after, there was a passionate interest and concern in the organized feminist community for women's rights under the Taliban. I do NOT remember that we met with much support from conservative political groups, although that may have been crossed wires and lack of outreach.

It was later, post 9/11 and after invading Afghanistan that anti-Jihadi groups seemed to develop a concern for the women of Afghanistan--and good on them, I say, but still...

I agree that I'd like to see much more concern for women in the Muslim world from feminist organizations, but I would caution against oversimplifying who's on first here.

211 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:44:49pm

re: #199 mikalm

Yes. Glad he lived long enough to be rediscovered by South Park and Beavis & Butthead fans (he did the title track for their movie: "Two Cool Dudes").

I'm not familiar with Two cool dudes, but I loved chef on South Park

212 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:44:58pm

re: #196 DrCruel

The reason gay activists don't speak out against Islam is the same reason Black and feminists activists don't - it's because these "activists" are Marxists, and only pretend to care about an ethnic or gender-identified group so as to have a forum to support the Marxist gameplan.

At the moment, Marxists are having a great deal of trouble recruiting terrorists and killers on campus. I've seen the ISO try this in recent years, but they simply cant manage to put together the really violent groups that were so easy to organise back in the late 1960s. Right now, their best prospects for cannon fodder in their ongoing war against the West comes from the Muslim communisty, in particular amongst fundamentalists. That means that the Marxists will do nothing to antagonize these people, regardless of ideology, and that goes for their front organizations as well.

An big juicy upding for you! Right on target.

213 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:46:50pm

re: #127 zombie

Many people -- even here -- say that it is simply ignorance of Islam which prevents gay activists from ever speaking out against it. But I disagree. It is fear.

I agree that it's fear, but it's not necessarily fear of reprisals from Islamists -- it's fear of being shunned by other "progressives" for un-PC views that makes them say stuff like "Well of course Taliban-style sharia is bad, but the vast majority of Muslims are moderate, and besides, what about Fred Phelps?"

(And when you repeat the "most Muslims are moderate" fib often enough, it solidifies into ignorance.)

214 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:24pm

re: #207 carti3r

I must not have a way with women then because my wife doesn't listen to me either.

That's not just you - my husband is talking to me right now and I'm not listening - lol.

215 krypto  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:36pm

Is this really a freedom of speech thing in the first place? Doesn't placing religious advertisements on buses owned and operated by government agencies violate the anti-establishment clause (the other part of the first amendment)?

I'm all in favor of not allowing the Religion of Peace or any other religion to decorate public buses with their proselytizing.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:45pm

re: #197 monkeytime

When I say "pro Muslim" I don't mean flying to Iran I mean in a general sense they are pro Palestinian and anti-Isreal like most libs. A specific example of a person on the street? Ok. My gay daughter, her partner and their friends.

Uh, 'gay' and 'lib' count for the same thing? Don't tell those Log Cabin people.

I know a lot of gay pro-Israel folks, possibly because of neighborhood, or community connections. I don't doubt your experience, but mine is a bit different.

217 mikalm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:49:04pm

re: #211 BatGuano

Actually, it's "Two Cool Guys"

218 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #217 mikalm

Actually, it's "Two Cool Guys"

Ah, thank you. Heaving breasts and all. Loved the movie.

219 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:16pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Uh, 'gay' and 'lib' count for the same thing? Don't tell those Log Cabin people.

I know a lot of gay pro-Israel folks, possibly because of neighborhood, or community connections. I don't doubt your experience, but mine is a bit different.

I don't doubt your gay friends being pro-Israel. I think that is great. I have one gay friend who is conservative and the rest are all Obama voting liberals. I think statistically, gays are overwhelmingly liberal just like most black people are liberal. I have been slowly working on the liberal women in my life by sending them articles on honor killings of women and trying to educate them on what is really going on. Most of them don't really follow the new except for John Stewart.

220 monkeytime  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:55:36pm

re: #219 monkeytime

I don't doubt your gay friends being pro-Israel. I think that is great. I have one gay friend who is conservative and the rest are all Obama voting liberals. I think statistically, gays are overwhelmingly liberal just like most black people are liberal. I have been slowly working on the liberal women in my life by sending them articles on honor killings of women and trying to educate them on what is really going on. Most of them don't really follow the new except for John Stewart.

Oh and NPR.

221 hazzyday  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:58:17pm

I looked at it as Uncle Jimbo pulling his veil off for a second and making a snap judgment that fit his view of LGF. He is worrying about some content here that made him angry and it clouded his thoughts.

222 zombie  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:53pm

To add insult to injury, this blog has a bizarre post about the name of my site, concluding with the jab that it's "a rather silly choice of warblogger website name."

What did I do to offend the Gods of the Internet today?

223 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:05:53pm

Possible upside of bus ads: The more that Islam makes inroads among the white bourgeoisie, the less hesitant progressives will be about saying candidly that Muslims are "right-wing religious reactionaries."

/

224 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:29pm

Reading comprehension seems to be falling by side these days. That's a sad thing indeed.

On a more pleasant note, the Israeli Peace Diversity Week's Thursday event at Berkeley was a smashing success. It was especially charming when a bunch of kids began dancing to Israeli music while waving Israeli flags.

Only one hater showed up who was roundly ignored. I snapped a picture of her and she came at me, insisting that I erase the photo. Too bad! If you're in public, you're fair game.

225 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:33pm

re: #219 monkeytime

I think statistically, gays are overwhelmingly liberal just like most black people are liberal.

Er, blacks in America overwhelmingly vote Democrat, but that's not necessarily the same as being "liberal."

I think there's no question that the gay community demographic skews leftward politically, but again, I don't know about "overwhelmingly liberal."

226 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #224 eclectic infidel

Reading comprehension seems to be falling by side these days. That's a sad thing indeed.

Correction:

Reading comprehension seems to be falling by the side, these days.

227 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #195 zombie

The key is, there is massive amounts of apoplectic activism by the gay community against Christianity, but ZERO activism against Islam. To the extent that they refuse to take a stand against Islamization, either here at home or in defense of the millions of gays in the Middle East, the SF activists are "pro-Muslim" through their inaction.

I've had the displeasure of counter-demonstrating against Q.U.I.T. Talk about a rabid bunch - heck, a number of them seemed more crazed than the wanna Jihadists. We opposed Q.U.I.T. with Israeli and US flags, and signs that denounced Hamas & terrorism. All Q.U.I.T. would do was scream anti-Israel verbage at us, while the wanna Jihadists stood by with [modified] Jordanian flags, grinning at us. Yes, grinning. I figured that they were doing so because they knew that the members of Q.U.I.T had bought into the anti-Israel rhetoric 100%. Any attempt to point out that GLBT folk would be murdered under the rule of Hamas was ignored and shot back with insult. I know that Q.U.I.T. doesn't speak for the SF gay community and I personally know gays who support Israel. It's just strange to me that Q.U.I.T. so willingly cuddles up to Hamas supporters.

228 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:24:09pm

I think I need to eat something.

wanna = wannabe

Merde!

229 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:33:28pm

re: #222 zombie

To add insult to injury, this blog has a bizarre post about the name of my site, concluding with the jab that it's "a rather silly choice of warblogger website name."

What did I do to offend the Gods of the Internet today?

Heh... just wait till Charles finds out that you linked to THAT blog, you naughty Zombie!

Only half-kidding -- I mean, I don't think there's an explicit rule against links to View From the Right, but the site's owner is a self-described "race realist" and thus direct links to it are getting into amber-means-caution territory.

But on a totally not-kidding note: Besides being a nasty piece of work and an overall nutjob, the VFR guy also happens to have a severe case of tin ear. So if he says that Zombietime is a "silly name," you should take that as a positive endorsement.

230 Macker  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:26pm

re: #80 Shug

Are they insane, ignorant, suicidal or afraid?

Yes.

231 notutopia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:08pm

Uncle Jimbo you seem to have totally missed the relevant point that Zombie and Charles were expressing about those bus ads. It's not that they do not have a right to advertise.Anyone can purchase an ad.
It's wrong to blog article criticize LGF however, that we have no right to speak against the groups who are behind those ads.
Why didn't you join in on the discussion here, when the post was made?
What is the problem, that you couldn't just pick up the phone, or try dropping an email and discussing this concern or kind of issue...before you decide to write a blog criticism about LGF?

232 Olderthandirt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:05pm

One of the most beautiful aspects of freedom of speech, is that moonbats and troglodytes clearly identify themselves by their rants and raves. God bless'em all. Of course, FoS applies to both foe and friend and sometimes we find ourselves not being able to easily distinguish between friends and foes.

Life is never easy nor shall it ever be. So, let's suck it up and soldier on.

233 Steve  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:02:26pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

OT OMG!

How much more stupid can this idiot get?

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:38:22pm

re: #223 Throbert McGee

Possible upside of bus ads: The more that Islam makes inroads among the white bourgeoisie, the less hesitant progressives will be about saying candidly that Muslims are "right-wing religious reactionaries."

/

Possibly, but the odds that this ad campaign is going to succeed in converting a lot of middle-class white people in Northern California to Islam seems to me, uh, less than vanishingly small. I think this is mostly a PR pitch.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #224 eclectic infidel

Reading comprehension seems to be falling by side these days. That's a sad thing indeed.

On a more pleasant note, the Israeli Peace Diversity Week's Thursday event at Berkeley was a smashing success. It was especially charming when a bunch of kids began dancing to Israeli music while waving Israeli flags.

Only one hater showed up who was roundly ignored. I snapped a picture of her and she came at me, insisting that I erase the photo. Too bad! If you're in public, you're fair game.

Bravo! Oh, good for the kids.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #227 eclectic infidel

I've had the displeasure of counter-demonstrating against Q.U.I.T. Talk about a rabid bunch - heck, a number of them seemed more crazed than the wanna Jihadists. We opposed Q.U.I.T. with Israeli and US flags, and signs that denounced Hamas & terrorism. All Q.U.I.T. would do was scream anti-Israel verbage at us, while the wanna Jihadists stood by with [modified] Jordanian flags, grinning at us. Yes, grinning. I figured that they were doing so because they knew that the members of Q.U.I.T had bought into the anti-Israel rhetoric 100%. Any attempt to point out that GLBT folk would be murdered under the rule of Hamas was ignored and shot back with insult. I know that Q.U.I.T. doesn't speak for the SF gay community and I personally know gays who support Israel. It's just strange to me that Q.U.I.T. so willingly cuddles up to Hamas supporters.

QUIT is a special form of crazy. You know when you've got gay protesters at a screening of "Yossi and Jagger" that you've got trouble.

237 Areopagitica  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:00:38pm

Call me crazy, but those Islam signs being posted on municipal buses, (I've seen them here in Chicago), seem to be screaming out for a 1st amendment establishment clause lawsuit to be filed against them.

238 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:21:40pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

QUIT is a special form of crazy. You know when you've got gay protesters at a screening of "Yossi and Jagger" that you've got trouble.

What were they protesting? Just the fact that it portrayed Israeli military personnel as appealing and likable?

(For those who haven't seen it, which I assume is almost everyone, Yossi and Jagger is an Israel-made, Hebrew-language drama about a clandestine love affair between two young men in the IDF. Although pro-gay, it avoids the preachiness of most U.S.-made gay advocacy movies. For example, while painfully driving home just how dehumanizing "The Closet" can be, the movie also recognizes that staying in the closet is Yossi's freely-made choice, and doesn't blame everything on Those Awful Heterosexuals.)

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:15:11pm

re: #238 Throbert McGee

What were they protesting? Just the fact that it portrayed Israeli military personnel as appealing and likable?

(For those who haven't seen it, which I assume is almost everyone, Yossi and Jagger is an Israel-made, Hebrew-language drama about a clandestine love affair between two young men in the IDF. Although pro-gay, it avoids the preachiness of most U.S.-made gay advocacy movies. For example, while painfully driving home just how dehumanizing "The Closet" can be, the movie also recognizes that staying in the closet is Yossi's freely-made choice, and doesn't blame everything on Those Awful Heterosexuals.)

Yeah, basically, it shows the IDF as human beings, even good ones, and it had a gay theme, so they could act like it was their business. Groooaaan. Basically, unless it was about a gay IDF soldier falling in love with a gay Arab, learning that The Enemy Is Not The Enemy, We Is The Oppressor, and going AWOL, or dying dramatically trying to save his lover, it would have offended them. Since it's, well, not, they took it as a chance to lecture all the other Jews and gays and gay Jews who just wanted to see a movie.

Pretty good movie. Sad, though. A happy ending would have ruined the whole thing?

240 soccerdad  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:30pm

I think that the P.O.S. blog that attacked our lizard leader and his half-dead-second-in-command and poster extraordanaire is overwhelmed and I cannot see the actual link. (shitty lil' blog)

If I could I would probably read it and say 'hogwash'. Doesn't sound like Ace's place, but if he allows that post to stand, shame on him.

241 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:54:35am

From the comments at Ace of Spades(where Jimbo is getting a hiding for this):

71 As some of you have pointed out Zombie was not advocating restricting their speech just pointing out the hypocrisy and the weakness of the lefties who tolerate the creeping sharia. The free speech whining was from another religionist. My bad, but retractions hide the stupidity, so I just added a note to the peace noting my lack of coherence. I also clarified that Islamists not Islam in toto are offensive. I'm sure I fucked up some other stuff too, but that's enough for now.

Cordially,

Uncle J

But looking at the post, he seems to have just added the line:

Actually they seem to be complaining more about the hypocrisy than the right to air it as pointed out in the comments.

in the first paragraph and left the rest of the piece as was. Poor show.

242 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:51am

re: #241 Jimmah

From the comments at Ace of Spades(where Jimbo is getting a hiding for this):


in the first paragraph and left the rest of the piece as was. Poor show.

I posted on that; I suggested that instead of burying the retraction in comment #71 it should be appended to the main post.

It's Amateur Hour at AoS, I'm afraid...

243 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:25am

Jimbo has just retracted his comment

244 Osama Bin Porkchop  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:08am

re: #17 NYCHardhat

Am I completely off based when I say that I fear my own President more than terrorism?

This days, I don't think so. It scares me to think that things are going that much into the crapper....

245 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 12:13:34pm

re: #243 Zimriel

Jimbo has just retracted his comment

Good....he did the right thing in the end. Check out the comment section on that thread though - it's chock-a-block with ignoranuses.

246 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:11:19pm
247 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:40:44pm

re: #246 Millie Woods

Oh, bite me.


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