Discovery Institute Raises Stink About Vatican Evolution Conference

The Discovery Institute is seriously pissed off about being dissed by the Vatican, and they’re raising a stink about it through the media: The Associated Press: Rome meeting snubs intelligent design, creationism.

ROME (AP) — A Vatican-backed conference on evolution is under attack from people who weren’t invited to participate: those espousing creationism and intelligent design.

The Discovery Institute, the main organization supporting intelligent design research, says it was shut out from presenting its views because the meeting was funded in part by the John Templeton Foundation, a major U.S. nonprofit that has criticized the intelligent design movement. …

Organizers of the five-day conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University said Thursday that they barred intelligent design proponents because they wanted an intellectually rigorous conference on science, theology and philosophy to mark the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s “The Origin of Species.”

While there are some Darwinian dissenters present, intelligent design didn’t fit the bill, they said. “We think that it’s not a scientific perspective, nor a theological or philosophical one,” said the Rev. Marc Leclerc, the conference director and a professor of philosophy of nature at the Gregorian. “This makes a dialogue very difficult, maybe impossible.”

But the Vatican didn’t only dismiss “intelligent design.” In his opening address, one of the Cardinals in charge of the event also had strong words for young earth creationism:

In addition to intelligent design, creationism has come under disdain at the conference. In his opening address, Cardinal William Levada, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, spoke dismissively of fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. who want schools to teach biblical creationism alongside, or instead of, evolution.

Uh oh. The physicists and molecular biologists at “Answers in Genesis” aren’t going to be happy about that.

And the outrage doesn’t stop there; the Discovery Institute’s Islamic counterparts are also seething and complaining, after one of their shills was thrown out of the opening session:

Oktar Babuna, a representative of a prominent Turkish creationist, Harun Yahya, was denied the right to speak at the opening session Tuesday. Participants took the microphone away from Babuna when, during a question-and-answer session, he challenged them to give proof of transitional forms of animals in Darwinian evolution.

Organizers said he hadn’t formulated a question and was just stating his point of view.

Babuna said afterward that the conference was clearly undemocratic. A statement from Yahya said, “Although there are discussion parts, they want this discussion to be one-sided.”

UPDATE at 3/5/09 8:16:59 pm:

Video of Oktar Babuna spewing idiocy for several minutes before getting the hook:

Youtube Video

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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667 comments

1 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:45:03pm

Tough!

2 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:45:05pm

Hey Biff, ol' buddy, are you logged in?
Heeeeeer Biffy!

3 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:45:33pm

Five bucks on Comment 390.

4 CynicalConservative  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:46:10pm

re: #3 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on Comment 390.

Gonna stick with my losing 127 again.

5 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:46:38pm

Who are the idiots who run the Discovery Institute, and who wants to join me in beating them over the head with a biology textbook?

6 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:09pm

Sucks to be you DI.

7 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #3 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on Comment 390.

See yer five and raise ya two on 287.

8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:16pm

Discovery Institute Stinks Raises Stink About Vatican Evolution Conference

fixed

Come on out trolls. I'm hungry!

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:36pm

re: #4 CynicalConservative

Gonna stick with my losing 127 again.

We can lean on the bar together and cry in our beer.

10 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:47:56pm

re: #7 Bobibutu

See yer five and raise ya two on 287.

What are you guys betting on?

11 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:48:24pm

re: #2 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey Biff, ol' buddy, are you logged in?
Heeeeeer Biffy!

Biff, not logged on....

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:48:31pm

re: #10 davinvalkri

What are you guys betting on?

The first creationist troll meltdown

13 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:49:11pm

re: #11 jcm

Biff, not logged on....

AWWWWWWWWWWW [expletive deleted] !

14 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:50:02pm

I've read some really good reviews on the net on how well and honestly the Vatican run the conference..It's a pleasant surprise to see science and religion discussed rationally and most importantly..separately..
Kudo's to the Catholics this week..

15 CynicalConservative  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:50:07pm

re: #9 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We can lean on the bar together and cry in our beer.

Mmmmmm, beer! ;-)

16 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #10 davinvalkri

What are you guys betting on?

AKA *Whack* or "the stick".

17 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:50:48pm

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AWWWWWWWWWWW [expletive deleted] !

Save the link, it's his user profile... you can check and see anytime..

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:50:51pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

I've read some really good reviews on the net on how well and honestly the Vatican run the conference..It's a pleasant surprise to see science and religion discussed rationally and most importantly..separately..
Kudo's to the Catholics this week..

Yes!

19 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:51:16pm

Them caffy-licks are all goin' to hell in a hand-basket!/

20 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:51:23pm

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AWWWWWWWWWWW [expletive deleted] !

Don't cry man! Maybe another troll will come up to complain!

But as for me...fifty cents, double digits.

21 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

I've read some really good reviews on the net on how well and honestly the Vatican run the conference..It's a pleasant surprise to see science and religion discussed rationally and most importantly..separately..
Kudo's to the Catholics this week..

If they left the Turtle Stack out of the discussion I'll be seriously pissed.

//

22 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:51:58pm

It's times like this that I'm proud to be a Catholic Atheist.

23 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:52:08pm

You know what would make the Discovery Institute really popular?
Parimutuel Dinosaur Racing.

24 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:52:19pm

re: #7 Bobibutu

You guys are waaaaay over. I'm going with under 200. Say, 167.

25 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:52:32pm

#420

26 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #3 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on Comment 390.

I put 5 on 426.

27 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:53:13pm

re: #17 jcm

Save the link, it's his user profile... you can check and see anytime..

I usually just run up and do a user search. Almost as fast as figuring out where th' danged link is.

28 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:53:39pm

re: #23 HelloDare
I'm putting 20 on Vicky the Velociraptors nose in the third race.

29 unclassifiable  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:04pm

Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen to tonight's roulette of evolution!

30 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:10pm

re: #27 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I usually just run up and do a user search. Almost as fast as figuring out where th' danged link is.

Get all computer literate now on us... pretty soon we won't be able to Rick Roll you anymore...

;-)

31 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:21pm

#501

32 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #28 pingjockey

I'm putting 20 on Vicky the Velociraptors nose in the third race.

Be careful.

33 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:37pm

re: #21 jcm
Turtles are RIGHT OUT!

34 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:49pm

re: #28 pingjockey

I'm putting 20 on Vicky the Velociraptors nose in the third race.

No, no! Bet on the scavengers! Five bucks on the compys!
But, in all seriousness, yay for the Vatican for doing their part to isolate (then maybe dismantle) the Discovery Institute.

35 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:54:50pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

re: #26 DEZes

Heh, you two have the same idea as I.
It's most often later in a thread.

36 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:55:06pm

re: #29 unclassifiable

Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen to tonight's roulette of evolution!

I'll take early earth for 200 Alex...

37 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:55:09pm

re: #32 HelloDare
I'll use a very long stick.

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:55:13pm

re: #23 HelloDare

You know what would make the Discovery Institute really popular?
Parimutuel Dinosaur Racing.

I've got a better idea: Raptor Running. We give DI "researchers" a head start on a closed track, then release a Velociraptor after them. We then bet how far the DI tool gets before the Raptor eats them for lunch.

/kidding

39 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:55:39pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I've got a better idea: Raptor Running. We give DI "researchers" a head start on a closed track, then release a Velociraptor after them. We then bet how far the DI tool gets before the Raptor eats them for lunch.

/kidding

Sounds like something from xkcd. You a fan?

40 unclassifiable  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:56:13pm

re: #29 unclassifiable

Uh since its a Vatican sponsored event maybe I should call it evolutionary Bingo.

41 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:57:01pm

re: #40 unclassifiable

Uh since its a Vatican sponsored event maybe I should call it evolutionary Bingo.

G, G for genetic variation. 22!

42 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #35 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #26 DEZes

Heh, you two have the same idea as I.
It's most often later in a thread.


Most wait till they have a few in the room for support to go apeshit.
But like any race there will be one come outta no where, its like the lottery. ;)

43 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:57:18pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

A.) 1 trilion million tons
Q.) What was manbearpigs weight?

44 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:57:18pm

re: #39 davinvalkri

Sounds like something from xkcd. You a fan?

What's that?

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:58:15pm

re: #28 pingjockey

I'm putting 20 on Vicky the Velociraptors nose in the third race.

Is it too early in the thread to mention Beetlebomb?

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:58:32pm

re: #43 pingjockey

A.) 1 trilion million tons
Q.) What was manbearpigs weight?

Al, is that you?

//

47 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 6:59:46pm

All sillyness aside, have any of you ever talked to a YECer?
There was a thing on Nat Geo last night, showed all of these folded rock formations near Loch Ness. Really interesting.

48 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:00:08pm

The Islamists were upset too.....

Muslim creationists also complained about the conference.

Oktar Babuna, a representative of a prominent Turkish creationist, Harun Yahya, was denied the right to speak at the opening session Tuesday. Participants took the microphone away from Babuna when, during a question-and-answer session, he challenged them to give proof of transitional forms of animals in Darwinian evolution.

Organizers said he hadn't formulated a question and was just stating his point of view.


Here he is getting thrown out of the meeting.....

49 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #47 pingjockey

Whats a YECer?

50 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #28 pingjockey

I'm putting 20 on Vicky the Velociraptors nose in the third race.

You won! Here's Vicky crossing the finish line.

52 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:01:11pm

re: #47 pingjockey

All sillyness aside, have any of you ever talked to a YECer?
There was a thing on Nat Geo last night, showed all of these folded rock formations near Loch Ness. Really interesting.

I used to work with a YECer. He didn't believe in dinosaurs.

53 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:01:14pm

re: #47 pingjockey

All sillyness aside, have any of you ever talked to a YECer?


You've been around here long enough. We used to have lots of them here.

54 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:01:37pm

re: #49 DEZes

Whats a YECer?

Young Earth creationist, I'd imagine.

55 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:03pm

OT

Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from being Surgeon General...(I'm actually sorry to hear that...) I wonder why...(does he have misgivings about Obama? or about Obama's health care plans?)

56 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #49 DEZes

OH never mind!

57 transient  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:35pm

re: #49 DEZes

Whats a YECer?


Young Earth Creationist, believes the earth is approximately 6,000 years old. Genesis literalists.

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:41pm

re: #55 J.S.

His TV gig probably pays better.

59 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:43pm

re: #55 J.S.

OT

Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from being Surgeon General...(I'm actually sorry to hear that...) I wonder why...(does he have misgivings about Obama? or about Obama's health care plans?)

Is Dr. Dre available?

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:02:52pm

Back in a short time. The sound isn't working in Firefox right now.

61 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:03:03pm

re: #54 davinvalkri

Young Earth creationist, I'd imagine.


Yeah took it a minute to get through to me , thanks!

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:03:07pm

re: #55 J.S.

OT

Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from being Surgeon General...(I'm actually sorry to hear that...) I wonder why...(does he have misgivings about Obama? or about Obama's health care plans?)

heh ... isn't it fun to wonder

63 CynicalConservative  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:03:11pm

re: #55 J.S.

OT

Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from being Surgeon General...(I'm actually sorry to hear that...) I wonder why...(does he have misgivings about Obama? or about Obama's health care plans?)

Probably back taxes like the rest of them.

64 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:03:43pm

re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Not at all. Anytime we can work in Spike Jones its good.

65 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

If you're referring to the video I just posted it's not you're problem. The video and audio quality is very poor

66 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:04:33pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

He doesn't strike me as someone who works because of the money (I think he does what he does (at CNN he acts as an educator, etc.) because he enjoys it...)

67 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #49 DEZes
Young Earth Creationist. The earth is 6000 years old.

68 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout
Killgore, I swear to God, I know we have creationists, but I don't remember any YEC types.

69 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:05:30pm

re: #67 pingjockey

Young Earth Creationist. The earth is 6000 years old.


They do tend to leave out a few zeros, Never let one balance a check book.

70 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:05:45pm

re: #67 pingjockey

Young Earth Creationist. The earth is 6000 years old.


That is so incredibly stupid. I've got towels half that old.

71 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:05:57pm

Ya gotta love a Church that knows its place.

72 kahall  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:06:12pm

re: #47 pingjockey

All sillyness aside, have any of you ever talked to a YECer?
There was a thing on Nat Geo last night, showed all of these folded rock formations near Loch Ness. Really interesting.

I saw that. It was really interesting. The show description on the guide made it sound like it was going to be about the Loch Ness monster but it barely mentioned it and instead went on to educate all of us about how many gabillion years old the Earth is.

73 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:06:49pm

Now if the Pope would only stop dressing like a dinosaur.

74 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:07:21pm

re: #72 kahall
I liked the folded rocks, one bunch was a billion years old folded in with some 2 1/2 billion years old.

75 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:07:25pm

I am so bleeping depressed.
Obama pulled the plug on Yucca Mtn. No more nuke plants.
Rand Institute asks Could Mexico fail?
The market is down again.
I heard at a business lunch today- there are billions of dollars in commercial property loans that are due to be refinanced this year. Most of these are performing assets- they're leased and making payments. But the commercial credit markets are frozen. So what happens to these?

76 DEZes  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:08:00pm

Well all, I must take flight.
Have a great one.

77 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:08:51pm

re: #67 pingjockey

Young Earth Creationist. The earth is 6000 years old.

And you know ping..I'm sure that's as far back as man has Calendars..
true enough..It's this whole other thing with science and rocks that are billions of years old..and that old problemistic thing called the speed of light..
Don't teach our future scientists and tech leaders that it's all just magic and poof!

78 kahall  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:09:13pm

re: #74 pingjockey

The whole show was just one big education for me. It's a shame I was not aware of all of the info but it is the truth.

79 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:09:21pm

re: #75 Jim in Virginia
Obambi has one little problem with closing Yucca Mtn.....There are hundreds, hell thousands of tons of nuclear waste piled up and it has to be stored somewhere.

80 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:09:42pm

The sci9ence-denying herd seems to be pretty well culled. We haven't had a creationist meltdown in a while.

81 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:09:44pm

re: #66 J.S.
Possible he has financial obligations that cannot be met by the approx. 153k salary. Or he doesn't like the way the Administration is fiddling with health care and is too wise to say it publicly.

82 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:10:07pm

re: #21 jcm

If they left the Turtle Stack out of the discussion I'll be seriously pissed.

//

What about the Giant Spaghetti Monster? The conference is in Italy, isn't it?

83 unclassifiable  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:10:09pm

re: #75 Jim in Virginia

That's OK Jim.

Millions of years from now some archeologist will find your fossilized remains.

You'll be wearing your "Fuck Obama" t-shirt.

84 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:10:33pm

re: #79 pingjockey

Reid must be holding out for something big. Maybe a railroad to LA.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:10:52pm

re: #12 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The first creationist troll meltdown

#327. They've been sluggish lately.

86 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:19pm

re: #79 pingjockey

Obambi has one little problem with closing Yucca Mtn.....There are hundreds, hell thousands of tons of nuclear waste piled up and it has to be stored somewhere.

I think I read somewhere that most of that nuclear waste, assuming it's Uranium, was of the comparatively inert variety (U-238?) and could just be stuffed anywhere. The actual live stuff (U-235?) could simply be recycled into new fuel. Nevada is getting WAY too uppity over Yucca Mountain.

87 unclassifiable  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:20pm

re: #84 jaunte

Reid must be holding out for something big. Maybe a railroad to LA.

Coincidentally running right through his property.

88 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:23pm

I expected some newbie meltdowns after the last open registration. But it hasn't happened yet.

We're getting troll-starved.

89 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:23pm

Is Jocelyn Elders still available as Sturgeon general?

90 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:27pm

re: #80 Salamantis

They may be trying to outwait you.

91 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:11:45pm

re: #75 Jim in Virginia

Have you read/seen this article by Britt Combs? link here.

92 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:05pm

re: #80 Salamantis

The sci9ence-denying herd seems to be pretty well culled. We haven't had a creationist meltdown in a while.

There was an open registration yesterday. Give it time.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:17pm

re: #55 J.S.

OT

Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from being Surgeon General...(I'm actually sorry to hear that...) I wonder why...(does he have misgivings about Obama? or about Obama's health care plans?)

Pity. I thought he was a hilarious choice, but he probably would have been pretty good.

94 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:21pm

re: #89 Jim in Virginia

Is Jocelyn Elders still available as Sturgeon general?

Only the IRS knows for sure

95 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #79 pingjockey

Obambi has one little problem with closing Yucca Mtn.....There are hundreds, hell thousands of tons of nuclear waste piled up and it has to be stored somewhere.


Chicago?
Nah, he'll just send it all to the red states.

96 kahall  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:35pm

re: #88 Salamantis

I'll register a socky sock puppet next time just in case and pretend. You know, so you won't go hungry.

97 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:12:57pm

"Leave Discovery Alone"

How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Discovery Institute after all she's been through.!

She lost Dover, she went through a complete rework of Pandas. She had two fuckin scientists sign on.

Her stars turned out to be bad at math, and now she's going through a complete dissing by the VATICAN. All you lizards care about is your jokes and making karma points off of her.

THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE IS PEOPLE! What you don’t realize is that Philip Johnson is bringing you all this entertainment value and all you do is write a bunch of crap about his "wedge."

He hasn’t performed on stage in years. His schtick is called “get sued, school district” for a reason because all you people want is MORE SCIENCE! MORE-MORE- MORE-MORE!.

LEAVE DISCOVERY ALONE! You are lucky she even tried to save you materialist BASTARDS!
LEAVE DISCOVERY ALONE!…..Please.

Barbara Forrest talked about professionalism and said if Discovery was a scientist she would’ve pulled it off no matter what.

Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.

Leave Discovery Alone Please…. !
Leave discovery Institute alone!…right now!….I mean it.!

Anyone that has a problem with her you deal with PZ Myers, because she is not well right now.

LEAVE HER ALONE!

98 unclassifiable  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:13:07pm

re: #89 Jim in Virginia

Makes sense with her advocating masturbation as safe sex -- kind of goes with this administration's approach.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #88 Salamantis

I expected some newbie meltdowns after the last open registration. But it hasn't happened yet.

We're getting troll-starved.

"We are starved of Russians!" Name that quote and get a ding-up!

100 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:13:48pm

re: #89 Jim in Virginia

Is Jocelyn Elders still available as Sturgeon general?

She's about 76.

101 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:13:50pm

re: #81 snowcrash

I tend to think your latter suggestion may be it (maybe it's the politics?) David Gergen is being/acting negative about Obama again (right now on CNN)...noticing how many people are bailing out on Obama...

102 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:13:56pm

re: #80 Salamantis

The sci9ence-denying herd seems to be pretty well culled. We haven't had a creationist meltdown in a while.

AntIDite!

103 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:14:04pm

This is good news. By it very nature intelligent design not being a science does not face any peer review. However, in this case it can be seen that the ID adherents are receiving a peer review from a religious group and the results play in favor of science.

104 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #75 Jim in Virginia

I am so bleeping depressed.
Obama pulled the plug on Yucca Mtn. No more nuke plants.
Rand Institute asks Could Mexico fail?
The market is down again.
I heard at a business lunch today- there are billions of dollars in commercial property loans that are due to be refinanced this year. Most of these are performing assets- they're leased and making payments. But the commercial credit markets are frozen. So what happens to these?

Commercials are phase II - it's already started.

105 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:14:39pm

re: #97 jaunte

"Leave Discovery Alone"

How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Discovery Institute after all she's been through.!

She lost Dover, she went through a complete rework of Pandas. She had two fuckin scientists sign on.

Her stars turned out to be bad at math, and now she's going through a complete dissing by the VATICAN. All you lizards care about is your jokes and making karma points off of her.

THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE IS PEOPLE! What you don’t realize is that Philip Johnson is bringing you all this entertainment value and all you do is write a bunch of crap about his "wedge."

He hasn’t performed on stage in years. His schtick is called “get sued, school district” for a reason because all you people want is MORE SCIENCE! MORE-MORE- MORE-MORE!.

LEAVE DISCOVERY ALONE! You are lucky she even tried to save you materialist BASTARDS!
LEAVE DISCOVERY ALONE!…..Please.

Barbara Forrest talked about professionalism and said if Discovery was a scientist she would’ve pulled it off no matter what.

Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.

Leave Discovery Alone Please…. !
Leave discovery Institute alone!…right now!….I mean it.!

Anyone that has a problem with her you deal with PZ Myers, because she is not well right now.

LEAVE HER ALONE!

Wait, was that a "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" reference?
Holy christ, first it was "all your base", then 4chan made the front page...and now...holy...

106 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:14:47pm

re: #84 jaunte
That fool doesn't know what he's holding out for. I have never been so unimpressed with Congress in general as in the last 20 years. When I was a kid (60s-70s) It seemed congress had more stature. Or I've become cynical as hell (true). None of the current crop seem to have the guts/vision/articulate points like Henry Jackson, Evrett Dirkson, Goldwater, Proxmyer. These senators now seem but very pale shadows.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:15:18pm

re: #98 unclassifiable

Makes sense with her advocating masturbation as safe sex.

You must admit, that's hard to argue with. Unless you take a plug-in vibrator into the tub.

108 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:15:44pm

re: #91 J.S.

Have you read/seen this article by Britt Combs? link here.

You're trying to cheer me up. That's so sweet.

109 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:15:49pm

re: #106 pingjockey

That fool doesn't know what he's holding out for. I have never been so unimpressed with Congress in general as in the last 20 years. When I was a kid (60s-70s) It seemed congress had more stature. Or I've become cynical as hell (true). None of the current crop seem to have the guts/vision/articulate points like Henry Jackson, Evrett Dirkson, Goldwater, Proxmyer. These senators now seem but very pale shadows.

Dick Nixon

110 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:16:07pm

Note to creationists: 'I'm not a creationist but you all worship Darwin and you suck' is not only immensely dumb but is also getting old now, is 'Yes, it's nonsense but teach it anyway to prove to Ben Stein that you are nice/surrender is the key to victory'. Try to think up something different this time.

111 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:17:20pm

re: #106 pingjockey

Having the experience of WW2 and an ongoing nuclear threat from the Soviet Union tended to keep them focused and sober.

112 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:17:50pm

Remember that creepy Kirsten Sanford, Ph.D. shill who was interviewed by Michael Shermer at the Creation Museum? Her clothes shrunk.

113 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:17:53pm

From deep in the article..

Muslim creationists also complained about the conference.

Oktar Babuna, a representative of a prominent Turkish creationist, Harun Yahya, was denied the right to speak at the opening session Tuesday. Participants took the microphone away from Babuna when, during a question-and-answer session, he challenged them to give proof of transitional forms of animals in Darwinian evolution.

Organizers said he hadn't formulated a question and was just stating his point of view.

Babuna said afterward that the conference was clearly undemocratic[science isn't a democracy: ed] . A statement from Yahya said, "Although there are discussion parts, they want this discussion to be one-sided."

114 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup
Was Nixon ever a Senator? He was a Rep then Ikes' VP.

115 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:18:25pm

Wow, no stealth ding downs in the thread topic rating.

116 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #111 jaunte

Having the experience of WW2 and an ongoing nuclear threat from the Soviet Union tended to keep them focused and sober.

And the Putzs there now don't realize we are at War now and the consequences of failure.

117 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:18:54pm

Wow.
I suddenly feel better.
McGovern (yes, that McGovern- he looks freaking ancient) has an ad out against card check.
Pigs fly.

118 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:18:55pm

re: #112 HelloDare

Remember that creepy Kirsten Sanford, Ph.D. shill who was interviewed by Michael Shermer at the Creation Museum? Her clothes shrunk.

I thought that was Georgia Purdom.

119 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:19:31pm

re: #118 Salamantis

I thought that was Georgia Purdom.

You're right, d'oh.

120 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:19:39pm

re: #113 Mich-again

They invited Muslim creationists?

121 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:19:42pm

re: #108 Jim in Virginia

I try...

122 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:14pm

re: #114 pingjockey

Was Nixon ever a Senator? He was a Rep then Ikes' VP.

He was a Senator from CA. He was a freshman Senator along the same year as JFK.

123 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:16pm

re: #105 davinvalkri

Wait, was that a "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" reference?
Holy christ, first it was "all your base", then 4chan made the front page...and now...holy...

Well. Britney is on tour right now. Which is an improvement on her former meltdowns.

124 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:18pm

Latest line from Vegas..
7 to 1 the first melt down in 300 comments
3 to 1 the first melt down in 500 comments
2 to1 the first melt down in 700 comments

/the Vig goes to charity..

125 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #111 jaunte
That's true. This current crop of asshats couldn't run a 7-11 and show a profit. I know that's a broad brush, but the truly good reps from either side are few and far between.

126 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:48pm

re: #113 Mich-again

See #48 for the video of him getting thrown out.

127 CynicalConservative  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:20:53pm

127 = loser (again)

128 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:21:06pm

re: #122 Nevergiveup
Thanks.

129 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #114 pingjockey

Was Nixon ever a Senator? He was a Rep then Ikes' VP.

IIRC, California's representative then senator.

130 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:21:44pm

re: #127 CynicalConservative

127 = loser (again)

Same with my bet about the double digits. Oh well. Waiter! Goober sundaes, and keep them coming!
/Spongebob movie reference.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:02pm

re: #127 CynicalConservative

127 = loser (again)

Here's a beer
*sliding mug down the bar*

132 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:21pm
Muslim creationists also complained about the conference.

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the Muslim Creeationism Museum dioramas look like. I say everything is the same except there are dinosaurs. What else has changed?

133 CynicalConservative  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:22pm

re: #131 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Here's a beer
*sliding mug down the bar*

Thank you sir!

134 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:25pm

re: #112 HelloDare

Remember that creepy Kirsten Sanford, Ph.D. shill who was interviewed by Michael Shermer at the Creation Museum? Her clothes shrunk.

Um. Gotta say YUM, sorry.

135 cronus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:35pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The Islamists were upset too.....

Christian YEC's hate criticism from other Christians because it undermines their "all evolutionists are atheists messaging." And as for Islamist creationists...well they're not used to being questioned at all.

136 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:39pm

re: #129 MandyManners

IIRC, California's representative then senator.

He was elected in 1946 as a Republican to the House of Representatives representing California's 12th Congressional district, and in 1950 to the United States Senate.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

137 DanceswithElvis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:22:44pm

re: #105 davinvalkri

Wait are you saying that because I believe in evolution I'm a materialistic bastard? Or am I misreading the intent of your caps of rage?

138 HelloDare  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:23:01pm

re: #118 Salamantis

I thought that was Georgia Purdom.

Yeah, big mistake.

139 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:23:16pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

See #48 for the video of him getting thrown out.

Activists.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #117 Jim in Virginia

Wow.
I suddenly feel better.
McGovern (yes, that McGovern- he looks freaking ancient) has an ad out against card check.
Pigs fly.

I saw that ad too. Its not really Flying Pig worthy. McGovern has favored secret ballot union votes his entire political career. I'll give him his due: He took his stand and stuck with it, even when his party left him. He is still a fool on many issues, but not this one.

141 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:23:46pm

re: #132 Mich-again

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the Muslim Creeationism Museum dioramas look like. I say everything is the same except there are dinosaurs. What else has changed?

The female dinos are in burkhas.

142 DanceswithElvis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #137 DanceswithElvis

Wait are you saying that because I believe in evolution I'm a materialistic bastard? Or am I misreading the intent of your caps of rage?

Bwah? That was suppose to go to Jaunte. Sorry davinvalkri. :(

143 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #132 Mich-again

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the Muslim Creeationism Museum dioramas look like. I say everything is the same except there are dinosaurs. What else has changed?

No bare-armed prehistoric hussies in sight.

144 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:24:36pm

re: #137 DanceswithElvis

Wait are you saying that because I believe in evolution I'm a materialistic bastard? Or am I misreading the intent of your caps of rage?

What? I was talking about the comment I quoted. "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" is an internet meme, started by some guy who started crying and yelling about the media on Youtube or something.

145 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:24:37pm

re: #138 HelloDare

Yeah, big mistake.

Apples and Oranges mistake. One is smokin' hot and the other.... not so much.

146 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:25:05pm

re: #129 MandyManners
Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

147 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:25:23pm

re: #97 jaunte

LOL. Runny mascara flowed from every line there.

148 DanceswithElvis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:25:26pm

re: #144 davinvalkri

I know...I was trying to quote the same message you were and some how I got yours. I'm very sorry there. I fail at the internet today.

149 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:25:37pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I saw that ad too. Its not really Flying Pig worthy. McGovern has favored secret ballot union votes his entire political career. I'll give him his due: He took his stand and stuck with it, even when his party left him. He is still a fool on many issues, but not this one.

I'll always respect him, yet disagree with him, because he was a war hero.

150 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:25:38pm

re: #142 DanceswithElvis

Bwah? That was suppose to go to Jaunte. Sorry davinvalkri. :(

Eh, it's alright.
New bet! 1000 or before!

151 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:26:04pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I saw that ad too. Its not really Flying Pig worthy. McGovern has favored secret ballot union votes his entire political career. I'll give him his due: He took his stand and stuck with it, even when his party left him. He is still a fool on many issues, but not this one.

They don't make liberals like they used to. These days a great many deserve a name change: communists.

152 SummerSong  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:26:08pm

insidious, by design?

153 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:26:38pm

re: #149 Truck Monkey

I'll always respect him, yet disagree with him, because he was a war hero.

He flew B 17's didn't he?

154 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:01pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

He was the first president I have memories of from childhood.

Nixon! Nixon!
He's our man!
McGovern belongs in the garbage can!

155 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #146 pingjockey

Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

You and he need to have a nice long talk. But first, make him read The Black Book of Communism. That should help him see more clearly.

156 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:23pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

He flew B 17's didn't he?

B-24 Liberator

157 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:27pm

re: #97 jaunte

What you don’t realize is that Philip Johnson is bringing you all this entertainment value

Philipp Johnson is a real Renaissance man.

158 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:50pm

re: #154 MandyManners

He was the first president I have memories of from childhood.

Nixon! Nixon!
He's our man!
McGovern belongs in the garbage can!

I guess JFK was for me, since I remember when he got shot.

159 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:55pm

re: #154 MandyManners
LBJ was the first I really remember. JFK was shot when I was 4.

160 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:27:58pm

re: #146 pingjockey

Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

Just a phase.

161 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:28:07pm

re: #129 MandyManners

IIRC, California's representative then senator.

Rep then VP, I could Google, ... boogers. You are correct, madame, he was elected to the senate in 1950, then VP in 1952.

162 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:28:29pm

re: #146 pingjockey

Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

My oldest son had an assignment at school to make a propaganda poster. He decided to make one about communism, given the redistribution of wealth efforts currently going on-he figured it would tweak a few liberal chains. Interestingly, when they displayed the posters in the hall, his was not put up. Neither was the pro-life one another student made.

163 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:28:30pm

re: #156 Gus 802

B-24 Liberator

OK Thanks. I knew he was a pilot.

164 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:28:34pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

I guess JFK was for me, since I remember when he got shot.

I was an infant.

165 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:28:59pm

re: #161 itellu3times

Rep then VP, I could Google, ... boogers. You are correct, madame, he was elected to the senate in 1950, then VP in 1952.

You Googled boogers?

166 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:10pm

The current Pope is an intellectual, and so it's a no-brainer that the DI folks would not get an invitation. (!) Add to that, the Discovery Institute is known for their underhanded, conniving methods of promoting their "science" which is a turn off to most people. They need a refresher course in ethics 101.

167 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:10pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon
It also doesn't help his cause that I was in the military from '77-'97 and most of that time was worrying about the Soviet Union!

168 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #146 pingjockey

Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

...bring forth the book on the Great Leap Forward, and the Shining Path, and the Ukranian Famine. And get Solzenitzn (sp?) on the horn from Heaven, NOW!
Don't worry, pingjockey, it will be painful, but your child will be taught right!

169 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:23pm

re: #146 pingjockey

Thanks to you too!
Totally OT, then again maybe not, survival of the fittest and all that. My 17 year old came home from school and announced that communism was a good idea that had worked out yet!
BTW, I was wearing my "Commies aren't cool" shirt with the picture of che' with the red circle and slash through his mug.

Have him read Rousseau, and the French revolution, then revisit the question. Hold off on the federalist papers until college.

170 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:27pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

He flew B 17's didn't he?

B 24.

171 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:32pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

You and he need to have a nice long talk. But first, make him read The Black Book of Communism. That should help him see more clearly.

Books about people's experiences in the gulags might also help.

172 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:45pm

re: #162 livefreeor die

My oldest son had an assignment at school to make a propaganda poster. He decided to make one about communism, given the redistribution of wealth efforts currently going on-he figured it would tweak a few liberal chains. Interestingly, when they displayed the posters in the hall, his was not put up. Neither was the pro-life one another student made.

I'd be at the school raising 50 kinds of hell.

173 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:45pm

re: #164 MandyManners

I was an infant.

I was in 4th grade

174 irish rose  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:46pm

Here's a little music treat from a fellow musician Charles, and the rest of you who need a reminder that St. Patricks day is only 12 days away!

175 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:51pm

re: #141 MandyManners You're on your way to double digit updings, young lady.

176 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:29:54pm

re: #159 pingjockey

LBJ was the first I really remember. JFK was shot when I was 4.

Thanks for making me feel old.

/6:30AM, coming onto the mess deck in the South China Sea

177 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:30:02pm

Oktar Babuna

Now there's a name to conjure with. Definitely no filthy primates in his family tree.

178 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:30:25pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

That was pretty funny. They roll out the old guy from Benny Hill as the security detail. Don't make me punk!

179 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:30:38pm

re: #167 pingjockey

It also doesn't help his cause that I was in the military from '77-'97 and most of that time was worrying about the Soviet Union!

It's time to worry about them again!

180 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:31:03pm

re: #162 livefreeor die

My oldest son had an assignment at school to make a propaganda poster. He decided to make one about communism, given the redistribution of wealth efforts currently going on-he figured it would tweak a few liberal chains. Interestingly, when they displayed the posters in the hall, his was not put up. Neither was the pro-life one another student made.

I'd be in there shouting at the Principal.

I'm in a very blue part of Minneapolis. I plan on having lots of fun being a PITA to my kids' extreme lib teachers.

181 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:31:09pm

bbiab

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:31:15pm

re: #177 Jimmah

Oktar Babuna

Now there's a name to conjure with. Definitely no filthy primates in his family tree.

heh

183 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:31:58pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

He flew B 17's didn't he?

B-29's I think. Some of his pacifism may stem from that. The XXI Bomber Command (which flew the B-29s) was the unit that carried out the incendiary raids on Japan in 1945. It was an effective tactic, but a horrific one, and I can understand his reaction to it, wrong though I still find it.

184 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:32:03pm

All of you with the great ideas for the kid, thanks. I also have one more avenue....The better half works with a guy who escaped from the Ukraine before it became independent!

185 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:32:36pm

re: #168 davinvalkri
Have the boy read anything by Robert Conquest. Or Solzsenitsyn.

186 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:32:54pm

re: #177 Jimmah

Oktar Babuna

Now there's a name to conjure with. Definitely no filthy primates in his family tree.

Happy, happy coincidence!

187 ronsfi  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:33:24pm
“We think that it’s not a scientific perspective, nor a theological or philosophical one,” said the Rev. Marc Leclerc...

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.

188 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:33:31pm

re: #184 pingjockey

All of you with the great ideas for the kid, thanks. I also have one more avenue....The better half works with a guy who escaped from the Ukraine before it became independent!

That should help!

189 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:33:56pm

re: #178 Mich-again

That was pretty funny. They roll out the old guy from Benny Hill as the security detail. Don't make me punk!

Little Jackie Wright?

190 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:34:22pm

re: #172 MandyManners

I'd be at the school raising 50 kinds of hell.

I'm looking into homeschooling at this point. Last year, when he expressed non-liberal views, his teacher made him Larry Craig in the grade's mock Senate. The principal still apologizes about that. At least my friend got them to stop showing "An Inconvenient Truth" by demanding equal time with films disputing global warming.

191 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:34:29pm

re: #176 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Whoa. Don't worry. People over 40 have more in common with our parents than the kids today have with theirs. 3 tv channels, no video games, leaded gas, people we know were in WWII.

192 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

B-29's I think. Some of his pacifism may stem from that. The XXI Bomber Command (which flew the B-29s) was the unit that carried out the incendiary raids on Japan in 1945. It was an effective tactic, but a horrific one, and I can understand his reaction to it, wrong though I still find it.

B-24. :)

193 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:35:22pm

re: #180 esch

I'd be in there shouting at the Principal.

I'm in a very blue part of Minneapolis. I plan on having lots of fun being a PITA to my kids' extreme lib teachers.

Best of luck. I've had to be a PITA for years and I'm getting worn out.

194 Aye Pod  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:35:47pm

I gotta go get some sleep. Have a good one folks:)

195 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:35:53pm

re: #177 Jimmah

More about Babuna:

A question of credibility

My friend Cengiz asked from the back of the room what had happened to the 80 000 blood samples and all the donated funds that had been raised in Turkey for Babuna's leukemia cure. When asked how that pertained to Babuna's talk, he replied, "It is relevant to his credibility."

Cengiz referred to a massive movement in Turkey started by Babuna and his family in 1999, when Babuna had been diagnosed with leukemia and needed a marrow transplant to save his life. According to Turkish newspaper reports, as many as 160 000 people, attracted by the promise of a large reward if they were suitable donors for Babuna, contributed blood and marrow samples. A great deal of money was also raised to test and process the samples, but both the funds and the samples remain unaccounted for. Turkish legal authorities are investigating.

Babuna has not been entirely open about this matter. In October of 1999, he told the Turkish newspaper he had cured himself of leukemia by prayer (Turkish Daily News, 1999 Oct 3; available on-line at [Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...] However, Babuna does not mention in public that he also received treatment and transplants at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas and later at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance ([Link: www.seattlecca.org...]


[Link: ncseweb.org...]

196 brookly red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:35:59pm

re: #162 livefreeor die

My oldest son had an assignment at school to make a propaganda poster. He decided to make one about communism, given the redistribution of wealth efforts currently going on-he figured it would tweak a few liberal chains. Interestingly, when they displayed the posters in the hall, his was not put up. Neither was the pro-life one another student made.

The fact that your son's poster was not displayed was a given... but doesn't it concern you just a wee bit that the assignment at school was to make a propaganda poster in the first freakin place?

197 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:17pm

Have him read The Power of the Powerless by Vaclav Havel and The Case for Democracy by Natan Sharansky.

198 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:24pm

re: #191 pingjockey

Whoa. Don't worry. People over 40 have more in common with our parents than the kids today have with theirs. 3 tv channels, no video games, leaded gas, people we know were in WWII.

Could be.

"pre-Boomer" in my nic is meant to indicate that I have more in common with my parents' generation.

199 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:32pm

re: #190 livefreeor die
I'd raise holy hell, someone like that has no business teaching.

200 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:44pm

re: #190 livefreeor die

I'm looking into homeschooling at this point. Last year, when he expressed non-liberal views, his teacher made him Larry Craig in the grade's mock Senate. The principal still apologizes about that. At least my friend got them to stop showing "An Inconvenient Truth" by demanding equal time with films disputing global warming.

Isn't that sexual harassment?

201 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:48pm

re: #192 Gus 802

B-24. :)

He volunteered for the United States Army Air Forces during World War II and served as a B-24 Liberator bomber pilot in the Fifteenth Air Force, flying his plane, known as the Dakota queen for 35 missions over enemy territory[2] from bases in North Africa and later Italy, often against heavy anti-aircraft artillery, earning the Distinguished Flying Cross for saving his crew by landing his damaged bomber on a British airfield on Vis, a small island off the Yugoslav coast controlled by Tito's Partisans. McGovern's wartime story, including his island landing, is at the center of Stephen Ambrose's profile of the men who flew B-24s over Germany in World War II, The Wild Blue.[3]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

202 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:36:49pm

Bill Seeks $500 Billion for FDIC Fund

This is very troubling. How much money can we print anyway to our foreign creditors pull the plug? While I well understand and agree with the obvious need yo keep the FDIC afloat, seems to me the money being spent lately is mind boggling.

If the President gives one more "the sky is falling" speeches to get this through the congress, wall street will lay way more than an egg.

203 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #191 pingjockey

Whoa. Don't worry. People over 40 have more in common with our parents than the kids today have with theirs. 3 tv channels, no video games, leaded gas, people we know were in WWII.

I remember five stations ... two were UHF. I definitely remember no video games, and we had several WW2 vets as neighbors.

204 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:37:16pm

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Could be.

"pre-Boomer" in my nic is meant to indicate that I have more in common with my parents' generation.

re: #191 pingjockey

Whoa. Don't worry. People over 40 have more in common with our parents than the kids today have with theirs. 3 tv channels, no video games, leaded gas, people we know were in WWII.

I feel so pathetic...

205 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:37:31pm

re: #196 brookly red

The fact that your son's poster was not displayed was a given... but doesn't it concern you just a wee bit that the assignment at school was to make a propaganda poster in the first freakin place?

It was under the guise of teaching the kids about how to appraise advertising and such. I think the irony of it in a school where almost every teacher voted for Obama was lost.

206 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:37:34pm

The Catholic Church usually gets it right, eventually, anyway. They've had 2,000 years to come around. And they spend time enough to think things through.

None of this G---mn America stuff either.

207 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:14pm

re: #204 davinvalkri

I feel so pathetic...

Why?

208 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:34pm

re: #177 Jimmah

Oktar Babuna


His name anagrams to "Bank Auto Bar" Infidel.

209 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:42pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Isn't that sexual harassment?

That would be the EXACT tack I would take in that situation.

I am so fortunate to have the schools we have here.

210 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:44pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

Yep. Read that book. It was actually given to me ex-girlfriend by her mother and she never read it. She gave it to her because her father flew a B-24 out of Italy during the war. Never understood why she didn't read it but it's a good read and not political in any way. Typical Steven Ambrose work which in my opinion is one of the best.

211 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:38:54pm

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Yep, I get it. IMO, folks born before 1970? Have more in common with parents/grandparents than kids born after that. More common frames of reference. Especially since history seems to be turning into an elective.

212 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:39:05pm

re: #192 Gus 802

B-24. :)

I stand corrected, thank you.

213 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:39:11pm

re: #203 OldLineTexan

I remember five stations ... two were UHF. I definitely remember no video games, and we had several WW2 vets as neighbors.

I remember Atari Pong. My mother has it packed up and stored away somewhere.

214 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:39:40pm

Correction on #210

Given to MY ex-girlfriend.

215 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #199 Jim in Virginia

I'd raise holy hell, someone like that has no business teaching.

I completely agree. I was all set to campaign for his firing. Then my friend told me about another kid, who is in high school, who was completely hassled by all his freshman teachers because his parents tried to get a teacher at the middle school reprimanded. Unions at work. The parents threatened to sue and it stopped. And we supposedly have one of the top school districts in the state.

216 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:00pm

re: #207 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why?

Because I'm part of that modern generation that you and pingjockey are talking about...fricken college age, man! And the lunacy that goes on here!

217 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:17pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

I stand corrected, thank you.

Hey my guess was B-17. At least we were all in the right war. I doubt to many liberals toady would have a clue.

218 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:25pm

re: #200 MandyManners

At least my friend got them to stop showing "An Inconvenient Truth" by demanding equal time with films disputing global warming.

There should be a movie called "An Inconvenient Ice Age".

219 Brit in Japan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:44pm

re: #132 Mich-again

I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the Muslim Creeationism Museum dioramas look like. I say everything is the same except there are dinosaurs. What else has changed?

They are not allowed to make images of creatures - so it will be an empty museum - a bit like the whole empty idea really.

BiJ

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:53pm

re: #216 davinvalkri

Because I'm part of that modern generation that you and pingjockey are talking about...fricken college age, man! And the lunacy that goes on here!

Then you are the antidote to the lunacy.
Someone has to carry the torch onwards.

221 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #217 Nevergiveup

Jimmy Stewart flew a B-17.

222 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #216 davinvalkri
Ah, but you have the lizard nation for reality check! So you are far far ahead of your peers.

223 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:41:22pm

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then you are the antidote to the lunacy.
Someone has to carry the torch onwards.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

224 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:41:24pm

re: #211 pingjockey

Especially since history seems to be turning into an elective.

The left wants to take another crack at Utopia. To do that, they need people to be ignorant of all of the previous failures.

225 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:41:50pm

re: #218 Ojoe

There should be a movie called "An Inconvenient Ice Age".

It has that saber-toothed squirrel in it. Hilarious!

/

226 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:41:59pm

re: #159 pingjockey

LBJ was the first I really remember. JFK was shot when I was 4.

FDR was pres when I was born - I remember the election of Truman - I was 21 and in IBM school at Rochester Minn working on a 557 Alphabetic Interpreter when he was assassinated and the announcement came over the company PA system. Everything stopped - we went to the cafeteria and almost everyone wept.

227 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:19pm

re: #211 pingjockey

Yep, I get it. IMO, folks born before 1970? Have more in common with parents/grandparents than kids born after that. More common frames of reference. Especially since history seems to be turning into an elective.

History seems to be turning into fiction these days.

228 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:28pm

re: #224 esch

The left wants to take another crack at Utopia.

Isn't that the one where you have to be at least 48 inches tall to ride?
/

229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:29pm

re: #223 davinvalkri

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

heh ... AND the challenge ... :-)

230 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:45pm

re: #225 OldLineTexan

If the ice sheet gets down into Ohio again, Texas might be cooler !

231 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:46pm

re: #224 esch
Yep. Oh, look socialism, it didn't work there, or there, or over there. Lets try it here.

232 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Jimmy Stewart flew a B-17.

One of my patients was a ball turret gunner.

233 Brit in Japan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:42:57pm

re: #166 twincitiesgirl

The current Pope is an intellectual, and so it's a no-brainer that the DI folks would not get an invitation. (!) Add to that, the Discovery Institute is known for their underhanded, conniving methods of promoting their "science" which is a turn off to most people. They need a refresher course in ethics 101.

Indeed. That they use such un-Christian methods to force their agenda makes me think they would not be welcome in any normal Christian church.

BiJ.

234 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:43:19pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Jimmy Stewart flew a B-17.

What did Harvey fly?

235 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:43:56pm

re: #225 OldLineTexan

The squirrel with

Ninja Skills?

236 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:43:57pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

One of my patients was a ball turret gunner.

My algebra teacher in HS flew B-17s.

237 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

One of my patients was a ball turret gunner.

Really? Was he the one mentioned somewhere in LGF that passed away recently?

238 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #230 Ojoe

If the ice sheet gets down into Ohio again, Texas might be cooler !

Yep, annual global warming is commencing in Texas already.

239 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:44:32pm

re: #234 MandyManners

What did Harvey fly?

A rabbit fast P-51 Mustang.
/

240 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:44:37pm

re: #219 Brit in Japan

They are not allowed to make images of creatures -

That and they hate dogs.

241 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:44:47pm

BBL

242 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:44:52pm

re: #234 MandyManners

What did Harvey fly?

Harvey then moved to Hawaii to cover the United States Navy as it concentrated its fleet in the Pacific. He was returning to the mainland from assignment when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. He eventually enlisted in the United States Army Air Forces but served only from December 1943 to March 1944. His critics claimed he was given a psychiatric discharge for deliberately injuring himself in the heel. Harvey angrily denied the accusation, but was vague about details: "There was a little training accident...a minor cut on the obstacle course...I don't recall seeing anyone I knew who was a psychiatrist...I cannot tell you the exact wording on my discharge."[3]

?

243 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:04pm

re: #231 pingjockey

Yep. Oh, look socialism, it didn't work there, or there, or over there. Lets try it here.

Oh. But it couldn't fail here!

244 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #234 MandyManners

Hmm. I don't know. His imagination? Don't recall seeing the movie.

245 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:18pm

/hoo rah!

246 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:19pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Really? Was he the one mentioned somewhere in LGF that passed away recently?

No. He is still doing OK.

247 livefreeor die  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:21pm

Time to feed the baby. Take care.

248 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:45:45pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

One of my patients was a ball turret gunner.

Tough little bird. Worst job ever.

249 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:46:03pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

One of my patients was a ball turret gunner.

I had a Scoutmaster who was a B-24 tailgunner. The plane was shot up badly enough on one mission that he couldn't crawl back through the tunnel to the main section of the plane. When they landed, the tail section FELL OFF just as the plane halted.

250 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:46:41pm

re: #248 The Shadow Do

Tough little bird. Worst job ever.

Yeah, he wasn't thrilled with the assignment, but he is on the small side so it kinda fit him.

251 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:46:43pm

re: #235 Ojoe

OK, I need some extra dings for that!

252 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:47:06pm

re: #226 Bobibutu
FDR was prez when my mom and dad were born. Just amazing where this country has gone from then till now. I refuse to give up. obambi will do his damndest for 4 years to turn us into a EU mess, but we'll get through it. We got through the Great Depression and WWII. However, I think the folks that got through all that have/had a lot more guts than a large majority of my fellow citizens. Better educated too, back then.

253 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #249 OldLineTexan

Now that was a cool story. Did they have the Pinewood Derby back then?

254 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:47:53pm

re: #246 Nevergiveup

No. He is still doing OK.

Ah, great. Those guys are tops once you get them talking about their experiences. I knew a B-24 pilot for a time which I mentioned above. Never wanted to talk about the war much. He read a lot of westerns, started a retail research group on Wall Street that got a good following, became a mayor of small NJ town before he died.

255 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:48:02pm

re: #245 Killian Bundy

That had to hurt. I can almost see him scowling.

256 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:48:21pm

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Yeah, he wasn't thrilled with the assignment, but he is on the small side so it kinda fit him.

My dad crewed B-17. 6'2", glad to be a waist gunner.

257 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:48:36pm

re: #252 pingjockey

FDR was prez when my mom and dad were born. Just amazing where this country has gone from then till now. I refuse to give up. obambi will do his damndest for 4 years to turn us into a EU mess, but we'll get through it. We got through the Great Depression and WWII. However, I think the folks that got through all that have/had a lot more guts than a large majority of my fellow citizens. Better educated too, back then.

We'd better get through it! This is America! It's stood for 234 years now! I'm not going to see it go to pot in four!

258 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:48:39pm

re: #249 OldLineTexan

I had a Scoutmaster who was a B-24 tailgunner. The plane was shot up badly enough on one mission that he couldn't crawl back through the tunnel to the main section of the plane. When they landed, the tail section FELL OFF just as the plane halted.

That's a Ford for ya.

259 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #254 Gus 802

became a mayor of small NJ town before he died.

That sort of thing is known to happen.

260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:49:33pm

The thread is depressingly peaceful.
I got out my Nicholsons and sharpened my canines for nothing!
Crappy, Un-Motivated, Un-Punctual Trolls ARE RIPPING ME OFF!

261 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Hmm. I don't know. His imagination? Don't recall seeing the movie.

You've never seen Harvey?

262 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:50:10pm

re: #253 Mich-again

Now that was a cool story. Did they have the Pinewood Derby back then?

They had it when I was in Cub Scouts. Not in Boy Scouts.

So, like '68 to maybe '72? Rubber-band "rockets", too. We had a GREAT pack. And I had to behave, my Mom was Den Mother. ;)

263 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:50:31pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Ah, great. Those guys are tops once you get them talking about their experiences. I knew a B-24 pilot for a time which I mentioned above. Never wanted to talk about the war much. He read a lot of westerns, started a retail research group on Wall Street that got a good following, became a mayor of small NJ town before he died.

Yeah, I know what you mean. My wife's uncle was with Patton in the 3rd Army. He is over 90 and is only now talking more freely about it. And that generation is dying away. it's a shame.

264 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:50:54pm

re: #261 MandyManners

You've never seen Harvey?

Probably when I was a kid. I read two books about Stewart. Watched other movies of his. My favorite being Vertigo.

265 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:51:04pm

re: #256 The Shadow Do

My dad crewed B-17. 6'2", glad to be a waist gunner.

He must have some stories.

266 Aviator  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:51:09pm

re: #112 HelloDare

Remember that creepy Kirsten Sanford, Ph.D. shill who was interviewed by Michael Shermer at the Creation Museum? Her clothes shrunk.

Nah, her breasts just evolved.

267 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:51:12pm

re: #257 davinvalkri
We're gonna have a rough patch here, and unless the public wakes up and changes congress in '10, this rough patch could last a while.

268 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:51:57pm

re: #258 Gus 802

That's a Ford for ya.

His plane was built by Douglas, so he always tried to fly on Douglas aircraft!

269 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:52:29pm

re: #260 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Are they hiding out? It is weird. Maybe it's the calm before the storm?

270 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:52:38pm

TBS just ran an advertisement for "TV-ONE. Never heard of it.

Check out the logo.

271 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:52:39pm

re: #262 OldLineTexan

They had it when I was in Cub Scouts. Not in Boy Scouts.

So, like '68 to maybe '72? Rubber-band "rockets", too. We had a GREAT pack. And I had to behave, my Mom was Den Mother. ;)

I miss the United States of my childhood...50's and 60's.

272 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:52:59pm

re: #262 OldLineTexan

They had it when I was in Cub Scouts. Not in Boy Scouts.

So, like '68 to maybe '72? Rubber-band "rockets", too. We had a GREAT pack. And I had to behave, my Mom was Den Mother. ;)

Mine too, had to set a good example don't you know. The whole family was mortified when my derby car was DQ'd (a tish overweight).

273 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #268 OldLineTexan

His plane was built by Douglas, so he always tried to fly on Douglas aircraft!

Where is Douglas now? Was it folded over into Boeing?

274 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:10pm

re: #269 pingjockey

Maybe they're all over at Amazon, trying to get Ray Comfort's new book off the ground.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

275 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:20pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Where is Douglas now? Was it folded over into Boeing?

Merged with McDonnell.

276 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:24pm

re: #263 Nevergiveup

Yeah, I know what you mean. My wife's uncle was with Patton in the 3rd Army. He is over 90 and is only now talking more freely about it. And that generation is dying away. it's a shame.

That's true but there are a lot interviews and recordings that have been done. I have to admit that I think the 60s and 70s put a damper on the recognition factor if you know what I mean. Ambrose did a lot of work to that end as have others -- in recording the interviews. Dairies are also a good source for the future.

277 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:27pm

re: #263 Nevergiveup

Yeah, I know what you mean. My wife's uncle was with Patton in the 3rd Army. He is over 90 and is only now talking more freely about it. And that generation is dying away. it's a shame.

I would have LOVED to have met my father-in-law's third wife's father (is that confusing enough?). He was in the 3rd Army. But all I ever saw was the shadow box his kids had done after he passed ... the man had a Silver Star and a commendation signed by Patton for taking out a machine gun nest on a slope by crawling uphill under fire and rolling grenades down into it.

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #269 pingjockey

Are they hiding out? It is weird. Maybe it's the calm before the storm?

Maybe they're off in the jungle, filling themselves with sake, pumping themselves up for the banzai charge.

/Bloody Ridge, Guadalcanal

279 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:54:35pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Where is Douglas now? Was it folded over into Boeing?

Uh...McDonnell-Douglas? The guys who make the F-15 and F-18?

280 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:55:07pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Isn't that sexual harassment?

Sounds like the teachers there picked up a few tips from Alinsky's Rules and decided to apply them to a child....f**king commie bastards!

That really pisses me off....

281 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:55:17pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Where is Douglas now? Was it folded over into Boeing?

Yeah. Became McDonnell-Douglas then Boeing bought them so to speak.

282 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:55:58pm

re: #262 OldLineTexan

So, like '68 to maybe '72? Rubber-band "rockets", too. We had a GREAT pack. And I had to behave, my Mom was Den Mother. ;)


71-75? here. And I still have an old PW Derby track hanging in the ceiling of my garage from my days as Leader of the Pack.

283 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:07pm

re: #279 davinvalkri

Uh...McDonnell-Douglas? The guys who make the F-15 and F-18?

Now part of Boeing.

284 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:11pm

re: #278 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That's a nasty thought. Buncha IDers wired on saki.

285 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:17pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Where is Douglas now? Was it folded over into Boeing?

First McDonnell-Douglas, then Boeing in 1997.

286 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #275 Truck Monkey

Merged with McDonnell.

Of course. Must be getting tired here

287 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:32pm

Douglas Aircraft Company

McDonnell Douglas later merged with Boeing in 1997. Boeing combined the Douglas Aircraft Company with the Boeing Commercial Airplanes division, ending more than seventy-five years of Douglas Aircraft Company history.

288 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:56:46pm

re: #270 pink freud

TBS just ran an advertisement for "TV-ONE. Never heard of it.

Check out the logo.

Wowza.

Islamic crescent or, Commie sickle?

289 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:57:27pm

re: #288 MandyManners
Hmmm....artistic melding of the two?

290 esch  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:57:29pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Hmmm. Looks like a sphincter to me.

291 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #279 davinvalkri

Uh...McDonnell-Douglas? The guys who make the F-15 and F-18?

Yep. F-18 was actually a Northrop product first. Now Northrop is Northrop-Grumman.

292 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:57:40pm

re: #275 Truck Monkey

Merged with McDonnell.

Then bought by Boeing...

293 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:14pm

re: #291 Gus 802

Yep. F-18 was actually a Northrop product first. Now Northrop is Northrop-Grumman.

Dammit! I am NOT up on my military aircraft today!

294 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:26pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

He must have some stories.

Yes, distinguished flying cross, silver star, bronze x 2, purple heart, etc.

I never heard the stories except piecemeal growing up and listening to conversations with old bomb wing members when reunited (my dad was career air force - worked his way up from enlisted in 1939 to full Colonel in SAC at retirement). I have his military records but they are pretty bare bones in detail regarding the actions: mission, date, a few generalized words. I know the silver star was for traversing an open bomb bay to manually let down shot up landing gear that saved the plane and probably crew - and definitely himself as he was in the wheel well on touch down.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:32pm

re: #291 Gus 802

Yep. F-18 was actually a Northrop product first. Now Northrop is Northrop-Grumman.

Are any of the Black Widows still in existence?

296 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Wowza.

Islamic crescent or, Commie sickle?

Is no difference anymore!

/

297 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #280 talon_262

Sounds like the teachers there picked up a few tips from Alinsky's Rules and decided to apply them to a child....f**king commie bastards!

That really pisses me off....

Or, just meaner than a snake independently.

298 brookly red  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:58:53pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Wowza.

Islamic crescent or, Commie sickle?

sickels point the other way...

299 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:59:00pm

re: #288 MandyManners

I did a double take when I saw it on my TV screen. Whatever it is, I'd rather not have seen it there at all.

300 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:59:26pm

Competition for BET.

301 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:59:29pm

re: #295 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are any of the Black Widows still in existence?

Probably. Would have to check with the Commemorative Air Force.

302 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 7:59:57pm

re: #294 The Shadow Do

Yes, distinguished flying cross, silver star, bronze x 2, purple heart, etc.

I never heard the stories except piecemeal growing up and listening to conversations with old bomb wing members when reunited (my dad was career air force - worked his way up from enlisted in 1939 to full Colonel in SAC at retirement). I have his military records but they are pretty bare bones in detail regarding the actions: mission, date, a few generalized words. I know the silver star was for traversing an open bomb bay to manually let down shot up landing gear that saved the plane and probably crew - and definitely himself as he was in the wheel well on touch down.


Impressive!

303 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:09pm

re: #295 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are any of the Black Widows still in existence?

Four.

304 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:12pm

re: #300 MandyManners

Voiceover by James Earl Jones on the TBS promo.

305 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:20pm

... Or other restoration groups... museums.

306 J.S.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:26pm

re: #288 MandyManners

or maybe an eye (with surrounding iris?)

307 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:37pm

Back in the '90s all of the big defense contractors had to merge or die. Remember Billy Jeffs "Peace Dividend"? You wait, if obambi can bail out of Iraq and Afghanistan quick and not give a damn about consequences, he'll gut the military like a fish.

308 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:00:44pm

re: #206 Ojoe

The Catholic Church usually gets it right, eventually, anyway. They've had 2,000 years to come around.

Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me Jesus was only eight years old when the Catholic Church was founded? :)

309 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:01:36pm

re: #288 MandyManners

Wowza.

Islamic crescent or, Commie sickle?

I'm inclined to think it's an eye.

310 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:01:38pm

re: #307 pingjockey

Back in the '90s all of the big defense contractors had to merge or die. Remember Billy Jeffs "Peace Dividend"? You wait, if obambi can bail out of Iraq and Afghanistan quick and not give a damn about consequences, he'll gut the military like a fish.

The F-22 has it's head on the chopping block as we speak.

311 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:02:12pm

I gotta' wait until JUNE for more Burn Notice?

312 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:02:23pm

re: #310 Nevergiveup
We dont need it with todays threats.....lib speak.

313 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:02:29pm

re: #302 Nevergiveup

Impressive!

Colonel Shadow was a tough old SOB, rest his soul.

314 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:03:18pm

re: #312 pingjockey

We dont need it with todays threats.....lib speak.

Nor Subs, or Aircraft Carriers, or Bombers, or missile defense, or ........

315 Aviator  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:05pm

re: #295 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are any of the Black Widows still in existence?

None flying. Couple in museums.

316 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:05pm

re: #314 Nevergiveup

Nor Subs, or Aircraft Carriers, or Bombers, or missile defense, or ........

Or the Second Amendment?

317 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:06pm

re: #310 Nevergiveup

The F-22 has it's head on the chopping block as we speak.

No doubt. With President Clueless at the helm I can only think of a worst case scenario. Which would be a damn shame considering how much we already invested in it.

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:22pm

re: #301 Gus 802

Probably. Would have to check with the Commemorative Air Force.

Just got back from wiki. It say there are two in museums (in addition to that one hauled out of a New Guinea jungle recently.) Doesn't mention the CAF.

319 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:33pm

I'm sure this is OT, but something occurred to me about our President's crass gift to Prime Minister Gordon Brown:

US DVDs are "Region 1" while British DVDs are "Region 2". Can Mr. Brown even play his new DVDs?

He's probably thinking, "What am I going to do with these?"

My suggestion: those are coasters, Gordon. Deal with it.

320 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:47pm

re: #314 Nevergiveup
Nope, all the world will set around singing hosannahs to the one. Never noticing the islamofascist sneaking up with a fucking scimitar.

321 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:04:51pm

I am going to push for Korianic creationism to be taught in Public schools just to freak out the ID people

322 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:02pm

or Koranic

323 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:10pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Colonel Shadow was a tough old SOB, rest his soul.

So was Lt. Colonel Nevergiveup. He put in 20 but most in the reserves after WW2. He regretted not staying in.

324 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:14pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yep, OLT found a place that has four in line.

[Link: www.maam.org...]

325 Syrah  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:33pm

The Discovery Institute and things that stink seem to have a lot in common.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:39pm

re: #154 MandyManners

He was the first president I have memories of from childhood.

Nixon! Nixon!
He's our man!
McGovern belongs in the garbage can!

My political memory blinks in with Reagan's first inauguration. He was crying, and Carter was all smiles. At six, this seemed confusing.

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:05:59pm

re: #303 OldLineTexan

Four.

Yep! That's the one from New Guinea! Forgot what the web site was called.

328 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:06:08pm

re: #275 Truck Monkey

Merged with McDonnell.

And later Boeing bought it.
The 717 was the last of the DC-9 family, and the last Douglas design in production.
There are still plenty of DC-3's flying, though.

329 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:06:52pm

G'night folks. Be alert, there may be trolls lurking, just waiting to catch y'all napping! Those half baked logic bombs can be dangerous.

330 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:08:33pm

I've got to hit the sack too.
Good night all.

331 Shug  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:08:48pm

So A-Roid has a bad hip huh?

He can just have surgery after August since he sucks in September and beyond anyway

332 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:09:39pm

re: #323 Nevergiveup

So was Lt. Colonel Nevergiveup. He put in 20 but most in the reserves after WW2. He regretted not staying in.

Good for him, and for you! Hence I see the evil and you never quit. Our heritage, no?

The military is truly one of the few honorable professions. Bless 'em all.

333 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:12:23pm

re: #332 The Shadow Do

Good for him, and for you! Hence I see the evil and you never quit. Our heritage, no?

The military is truly one of the few honorable professions. Bless 'em all.

Yes. My dad died in 1983. He would have been happy to know his son who never had served joined the Navy when he was 53 ( DR., they give us age waivers).

334 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:13:46pm

Boo on the AP for not asking what should be the very obvious question: "But doesn't the Catholic Church teach the existence of an intelligent designer, namely God?" -- since this is a point of confusion for so many people. As I just posted on the thread below, in a riff on Lao Stinky's aphorism:

Belief in an intelligent designer behind the Universe does not obligate you to be a sucker for Intelligent Design™.
Rejection of Intelligent Design™ does not obligate you to reject belief in an intelligent designer behind the Universe.

It is to be hoped that the Vatican conference will result in a clear statement saying more or less the same thing.

335 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #333 Nevergiveup

53? You can get a waiver for that?

336 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #308 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me Jesus was only eight years old when the Catholic Church was founded? :)

Sic transit sig figs.

337 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #335 Gus 802

53? You can get a waiver for that?

They do for Doctors.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:16:21pm

Just left a $10.00 all you can drink night.

Hi y'all!

339 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:16:55pm

re: #335 Gus 802

53? You can get a waiver for that?

But I am far from the norm and more the exception.

340 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:17:13pm

re: #337 Nevergiveup

They do for Doctors.

Ah, OK. That makes sense. Thought maybe they'd accept a waiver for a 48 year old out of shape guy like me for fighter pilot school. :)

341 Catttt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:17:24pm

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AWWWWWWWWWWW [expletive deleted] !

My goodness - where have I been to have missed this Biff person? I found this precious gem from him/her (ok, him) on a Nirth thread:

You don't know who you are talking to (someone with the degrees and the background to understand this statute).

OooOoOOOOoooh. Degreeeeeessss. Gee whizzzzz.

342 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:18:37pm

re: #333 Nevergiveup

Yes. My dad died in 1983. He would have been happy to know his son who never had served joined the Navy when he was 53 ( DR., they give us age waivers).

Just catching up with the thread.

Thanks for your service, doc. Are you still in?

343 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:19:45pm

re: #333 Nevergiveup

Yes. My dad died in 1983. He would have been happy to know his son who never had served joined the Navy when he was 53 ( DR., they give us age waivers).

Lost my dad in '83 also. He taught me to show respect where due, to love my country - and to make a bed properly.

Damn man, don't mind my shiny pate but my hat is off to you! You joined at 53?

They don't seem to want much to do these days with old broken down salesman unfortunately.
- Willy Lowman

344 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:20:02pm

re: #342 Pvt Bin Jammin

Just catching up with the thread.

Thanks for your service, doc. Are you still in?


Yes. For about a year now.

345 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:21:11pm

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Yes. For about a year now.

That's terrific. I'm sure your dad would indeed be proud.

346 Mich-again  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:21:18pm

Vehicles that no one builds..

A passenger car with a roll cage and 5 point belts. Some people would buy that for their kids first car.

An electric-gas hybrid ATV with 40A-120V service. Sneak up on the deer in the morning in all-electric mode and then be the power generator for camp.

El Cheapo. The stripped down barely legal $5,000 throwaway car. Air conditioning, radio, carpet, power windows, not.

347 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:21:31pm

re: #343 The Shadow Do

Lost my dad in '83 also. He taught me to show respect where due, to love my country - and to make a bed properly.

Damn man, don't mind my shiny pate but my hat is off to you! You joined at 53?

They don't seem to want much to do these days with old broken down salesman unfortunately.
- Willy Lowman

That's how I feel during PT sometimes.

348 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:22:10pm

re: #345 Pvt Bin Jammin

That's terrific. I'm sure your dad would indeed be proud.

Yeah, to bad he never saw me in Uniform.

349 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:22:16pm

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Yes. For about a year now.

What's your specialty? Don't have to answer if you prefer to keep it private.

350 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:22:25pm

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just left a $10.00 all you can drink night.

Hi y'all!

Are you 'drunk blogging' or buzzed blogging?/

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:22:30pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Ah, OK. That makes sense. Thought maybe they'd accept a waiver for a 48 year old out of shape guy like me for fighter pilot school. :)

See the Onion article about the Blue Angels holding open tryouts?

Enlarge the picture of the clipboard. The comments are even better than the story.

352 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:22:36pm

re: #349 Gus 802

What's your specialty? Don't have to answer if you prefer to keep it private.

I am a Dentist.

353 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:23:39pm

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just left a $10.00 all you can drink night.

Hi y'all!

Sounds great! Wish they had something like that going on around here.

354 Cognito  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:23:40pm

re: #333 Nevergiveup

Yes. My dad died in 1983. He would have been happy to know his son who never had served joined the Navy when he was 53 ( DR., they give us age waivers).

That's just superb, man.

355 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:24:01pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Ah, OK. That makes sense. Thought maybe they'd accept a waiver for a 48 year old out of shape guy like me for fighter pilot school. :)

The Army is currently letting 42 year olds enlist. I personally can't imagine going to basic training at that age, but I'm sure there are a few people out there who can.

Our medical branch, like the Navy's is free to make its own rules, though. I remember reading about a doctor (actually a professor of emergency medicine from Johns Hopkins) who decided he wanted to contribute to the war effort after 9/11. He was 65, as I recall. They gave him a commission as a colonel, but I think he donated his pay to charity.

356 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:25:49pm

re: #348 Nevergiveup

By the way, love your avatar. The most famous person I ever met was Winston Churchill!

357 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:25:52pm

re: #352 Nevergiveup

I am a Dentist.

Ah cool. I need one right now actually. Had a root canal a couple of years ago. The pain of the procedure was less than the prior pain. Four impacted wisdom teeth removed way before that. I think the doctors name was Dr. Smith who was also part of the instructor staff.

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:18pm

Does anybody understand how much damage I could have done to a 10.00 all you can drink night in my "day"?

Well, I could have done a lot of damage. Now? Look for the pisser and say, "Man, I gotta work in the morning..." and leave. At 10:33.

359 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:28pm
“We think that it’s not a scientific perspective, nor a theological or philosophical one,” said the Rev. Marc Leclerc...

Hmm -- but ID clearly does amount to a theological perspective; it just happens to be bad theology. (Namely, it's the old "god of the gaps" argument dressed up in the fancy language of molecular biology and biochemistry.)

360 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:45pm

re: #356 The Shadow Do

By the way, love your avatar. The most famous person I ever met was Winston Churchill!

I wish I had met him. How did you manage that?

361 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:53pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody understand how much damage I could have done to a 10.00 all you can drink night in my "day"?

Well, I could have done a lot of damage. Now? Look for the pisser and say, "Man, I gotta work in the morning..." and leave. At 10:33.

Right there with ya...

362 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:54pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody understand how much damage I could have done to a 10.00 all you can drink night in my "day"?

Well, I could have done a lot of damage. Now? Look for the pisser and say, "Man, I gotta work in the morning..." and leave. At 10:33.

FBV, it's a bitch to get old, but the alternatives?

363 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:27:55pm

re: #355 lobo91

Donated his pay to charity? Wow, that's nice.

364 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:28:30pm

re: #359 Throbert McGee

Hmm -- but ID clearly does amount to a theological perspective; it just happens to be bad theology. (Namely, it's the old "god of the gaps" argument dressed up in the fancy language of molecular biology and biochemistry.)

When I first heard about thios conference, I thought the ID people had been invited to participate. I am greatly relieved!

365 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Donated his pay to charity? Wow, that's nice.

I got 2 kids in college, so I can't quite manage that.

366 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:30:38pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Donated his pay to charity? Wow, that's nice.

This was while he was serving in Afghanistan, BTW.

367 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:31:02pm

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Yes. For about a year now.

I didn't know that Never...thank you for your service.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:31:13pm

re: #356 The Shadow Do

Wasn't an amazingly brilliant post...but, you just got dinged. Because, damn, you met Winston Churchill.

369 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:31:42pm

re: #366 lobo91

This was while he was serving in Afghanistan, BTW.

Wow, what a great American.

370 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:31:52pm

re: #365 Nevergiveup

I got 2 kids in college, so I can't quite manage that.

I'm not sure what department heads at the Johns Hopkins medical school make, but I got the impression that he didn need the Army pay...

371 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:32:06pm

re: #366 lobo91

This was while he was serving in Afghanistan, BTW.

Very commendable.

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:32:19pm

re: #370 lobo91

Ya THINK!?

373 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:33:28pm

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't an amazingly brilliant post...but, you just got dinged. Because, damn, you met Winston Churchill.

I piled on. What an honor!

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:33:31pm

Seacrest, out!

375 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

See the Onion article about the Blue Angels holding open tryouts?

Enlarge the picture of the clipboard. The comments are even better than the story.

That image is a hoot. Well, if it were real it wouldn't but still that's probably how things would work out if you just put someone into the cockpit for a Blue Angels display. Boom! "Hmmm, this isn't like FSX."

376 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:34:36pm

re: #367 jorline

I didn't know that Never...thank you for your service.

I'm really enjoying it. I just checked my e-mail and saw they are looking for Dr.'s including Dentists to attend a Joint Force Combat Trauma Management Course. It starts the 16th, so I am not sure I can swing it, but I will look into it tomorrow. Stuff like this is keeping me young.

377 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:35:40pm

re: #360 Nevergiveup

I wish I had met him. How did you manage that?

High level meeting at Blenheim Palace (his ancestral home). School field trip (5th grade?). A buddy and I sneaked away from the group to play in the formal hedges in back and to be just generally obnoxious. We got lost in the hedges but eventually made our way out. As we were sneaking around the side of the edifice a black limo suddenly pulled in. Out stepped a couple of security guys and then some stalky fellow with a cigar and a bowler. They approached us and asked who we were. Stammering and stuttering to the security guys we managed to convey what we were there for. Sir Winston stepped forward and uttered these immortal words while patting me on my head - "I like Americans".

LOL

378 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:37:12pm

re: #377 The Shadow Do

High level meeting at Blenheim Palace (his ancestral home). School field trip (5th grade?). A buddy and I sneaked away from the group to play in the formal hedges in back and to be just generally obnoxious. We got lost in the hedges but eventually made our way out. As we were sneaking around the side of the edifice a black limo suddenly pulled in. Out stepped a couple of security guys and then some stalky fellow with a cigar and a bowler. They approached us and asked who we were. Stammering and stuttering to the security guys we managed to convey what we were there for. Sir Winston stepped forward and uttered these immortal words while patting me on my head - "I like Americans".

LOL

Wow. I am impressed. Were you living over there with your dad on duty in the UK?

379 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:37:24pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

I'm really enjoying it. I just checked my e-mail and saw they are looking for Dr.'s including Dentists to attend a Joint Force Combat Trauma Management Course. It starts the 16th, so I am not sure I can swing it, but I will look into it tomorrow. Stuff like this is keeping me young.

It's a great service you're providing your country. I'm your age and you've made a bold move. Please keep me updated and I wish the best of luck.

380 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:37:31pm

re: #377 The Shadow Do

High level meeting at Blenheim Palace (his ancestral home). School field trip (5th grade?). A buddy and I sneaked away from the group to play in the formal hedges in back and to be just generally obnoxious. We got lost in the hedges but eventually made our way out. As we were sneaking around the side of the edifice a black limo suddenly pulled in. Out stepped a couple of security guys and then some stalky fellow with a cigar and a bowler. They approached us and asked who we were. Stammering and stuttering to the security guys we managed to convey what we were there for. Sir Winston stepped forward and uttered these immortal words while patting me on my head - "I like Americans".

LOL

That memory is pure treasure!

381 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:38:09pm

re: #377 The Shadow Do

How great! Churchill is my all time favorite.

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #377 The Shadow Do

Damn. Ding again.

383 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:39:49pm

re: #378 Nevergiveup

Wow. I am impressed. Were you living over there with your dad on duty in the UK?

Yup, stationed with SAC there for 7 years.

384 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:41:06pm

Well I'm off to bed--see you ail tomorrow.

385 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:41:38pm

re: #384 Nevergiveup

Night.

386 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:41:58pm

re: #380 Wishing

Yeah it is. Unforgettable obviously.

387 Timbre  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:42:31pm

O

ktar Babuna, a representative of a prominent Turkish creationist, Harun Yahya, was denied the right to speak at the opening session Tuesday. Participants took the microphone away from Babuna when, during a question-and-answer session, he challenged them to give proof of transitional forms of animals in Darwinian evolution.

Dun, Deh, Dahhhh! Nobody expects the Vatican Inquisition!

388 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:43:14pm

re: #384 Nevergiveup

Later!

389 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:43:33pm

re: #384 Nevergiveup
"Weet dreams.

390 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:44:08pm

Almost forgot about Obama there for a while. Then I watched a video with some comments on Geithner. It's almost like falling into instant depression.

391 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:44:34pm

5 bucks?

392 Catttt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:46:06pm

As for the of Mr. Babuna (sniker) being escorted away - it's so polite - probably won't generate any mocking music videos.

393 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:47:16pm

At the Heart of North Korea's Troubles, an Intractable Hunger Crisis
By Blaine Harden
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, March 6, 2009; Page A01

Behind the long-range missile it is preparing to launch and the stockpile of plutonium it claims to have "weaponized," North Korea has an embarrassing and insoluble weakness.

Under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, the country cannot feed its people. Perennially dependent on food aid, North Korea has become a truculent ward of the wealthy countries it threatens. It is the world's first nuclear-armed, missile-wielding beggar -- a particularly intricate challenge for the Obama administration as it begins to formulate a foreign policy.

Norko is gonna' be a big problem. Next couple of years, Kim's going to have to fend off internal unrest by doing something to show how the outside enemies are gunning for him.

Something else on Obama plate.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #375 Gus 802

That image is a hoot. Well, if it were real it wouldn't but still that's probably how things would work out if you just put someone into the cockpit for a Blue Angels display. Boom! "Hmmm, this isn't like FSX."

"A must-recruit if he comes out of the coma..." That was where I lost it.

395 Timbre  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:47:53pm

O/T: A Choice of Words

Li, 40, was charged with second-degree murder in McLean's death. A witness on the bus, which was headed from Edmonton, Alberta, to Winnipeg, Manitoba, said a passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated McLean as horrified passengers watched. Just before his death, the victim had been sleeping with his head leaning against the window.

Even a journalism minor like me could probably choose a more appropriate word than "headed" in this story. (traveling from, perhaps?)

396 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:49:44pm

re: #392 Catttt

As for the of Mr. Babuna (sniker) being escorted away - it's so polite - probably won't generate any mocking music videos.


[Video]

With a name like Babuna, all you need to do to mock him is talk about his bright red butt.

/Baboon humor

397 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist

"A must-recruit if he comes out of the coma..." That was where I lost it.

I actually saw the Blues for Fleet Week around 1990 -- in SF. There was Mayor Art Agnos who seemed to be following me for about year or me him. What a great show they put on.

398 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:50:59pm

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

With a name like Babuna, all you need to do to mock him is talk about his bright red butt.

/Baboon humor

Or blue balls?

399 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:51:51pm

re: #397 Gus 802

I actually saw the Blues for Fleet Week around 1990 -- in SF. There was Mayor Art Agnos who seemed to be following me for about year or me him. What a great show they put on.

Seattle we're lucky, first weekend in August every year the Blues come for Seafair.

400 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:52:55pm

Hey... is Killgore around?

401 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:53:58pm

re: #399 jcm

Seattle we're lucky, first weekend in August every year the Blues come for Seafair.

Nice. They used to come to Denver but I only caught them once since. They only do show in Grand Junction once a year but that's a long haul out. Thunderbirds show in Cheyenne every year. But, my favorite is still The Blues.

402 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:55:03pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Not for a while.

403 jorline  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:55:37pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Hey... is Killgore around?

I haven't seen him Walter.

404 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:55:37pm

OK, since we were looking for a reason for Obama to give Brown a chilly reception, this blogger has theory. I'm not saying I buy it, but it might be fun to discuss.

Link

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:56:10pm

re: #397 Gus 802

I actually saw the Blues for Fleet Week around 1990 -- in SF. There was Mayor Art Agnos who seemed to be following me for about year or me him. What a great show they put on.

They come for Fleet Week every year, and they're always amazing.

I'm sorry that Mayor Agnos was stalking you...

406 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:56:38pm

re: #397 Gus 802

I actually saw the Blues for Fleet Week around 1990 -- in SF. There was Mayor Art Agnos who seemed to be following me for about year or me him. What a great show they put on.

I've never seen the Blue Angels, but I did get to see the Thunderbirds at Nellis AFB in 2007, for their season finale. Awesome show for the hometown crowd.

First time I ever got to see an F-22 demo, too. Made the F-16s look like toys.

407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:57:23pm

re: #336 Throbert McGee

Sic transit sig figs.

I've no clue what that means, but I hope it was sarcastic.

408 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:57:49pm

OT: UK Telegraph doesn't like Michelle?

We may just LURVE Michelle's fashion sense. But Michelle doesn't reciprocate our affection, one bit. Her broad-brush view of history associates Brits with the wicked white global hegemony responsible for the slave trade.

409 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:57:53pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

You and he need to have a nice long talk. But first, make him read The Black Book of Communism. That should help him see more clearly.

Black Book is grim reading. For a lighter, yet penetrating insight into Communism, go with Solzhenitsyn's short book One Day in the life of Ivan Denisovich.

Very few adults, and vanishingly few children, will have the patience to read Black Book, and most of those will find it just too depressing and abandon the thing even if they're patient and determined readers.

410 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:58:14pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

They come for Fleet Week every year, and they're always amazing.

I'm sorry that Mayor Agnos was stalking you...

Wasn't the lunatic Board of Supervisors trying to keep them from performing during the most recent Fleet Week?

411 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:58:25pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Nice. They used to come to Denver but I only caught them once since. They only do show in Grand Junction once a year but that's a long haul out. Thunderbirds show in Cheyenne every year. But, my favorite is still The Blues.

I love it.... but some Seattle Moonbats have issues.....

412 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:58:55pm

Hello, first post have been lurking trying to get on.

413 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:58:57pm

Good evening y'all! How is everyone tonight?

414 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:59:01pm

re: #404 avanti

OK, since we were looking for a reason for Obama to give Brown a chilly reception, this blogger has theory. I'm not saying I buy it, but it might be fun to discuss.

Link

He's a punk with no class. That sums it up for me.

415 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:59:18pm

re: #410 lobo91

Wasn't the lunatic Board of Supervisors trying to keep them from performing during the most recent Fleet Week?

One of them. Yep. The mayor overruled them thankfully -- and oddly enough.

416 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 8:59:51pm

re: #412 TheRealThing

HOWDY!

417 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:00:12pm

re: #413 realwest

Good evening y'all! How is everyone tonight?

REAL!
Slides a cold one down the bar.

418 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:00:23pm

re: #411 jcm

I love it.... but some Seattle Moonbats have issues.....

They always do. Such a strange bunch they are. I actually sent Michelle a tip once regarding the Blue Angels in SF.

419 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:00:26pm

re: #412 TheRealThing

Welcome!

420 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:00:51pm

re: #413 realwest

Hi real; howzit going?

421 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:01:01pm

re: #412 TheRealThing
Good evening and Welcome aboard LGF! I gave you an upding just to start your Karma off right - the rest you'll have to earn on your own!
Have y'all been rading LGF for a while and just managed to get lucky with an open registration?Whereabouts do you live?

422 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:01:13pm

Howdy, RW!

423 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:01:30pm

Very lucky first post hit just before one of my favorite posters realwest.
Hope I can be as rational as you are realwest.

424 Catttt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:01:48pm

re: #408 itellu3times

OT: UK Telegraph doesn't like Michelle?

Maybe Michelle missed Amazing Grace.

425 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:02:09pm

re: #417 jcm Hey jcm - catches it just before it hits the raised edge of the bar - how are you doing tonight?

426 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:02:20pm

re: #406 lobo91

I've never seen the Blue Angels, but I did get to see the Thunderbirds at Nellis AFB in 2007, for their season finale. Awesome show for the hometown crowd.

First time I ever got to see an F-22 demo, too. Made the F-16s look like toys.

I'm still waiting to see an F-22 demo. Saw the Thunderbirds with the F-4E Phantom, T-38 Talon, and the the F-16. Blue Angels with the F-4J Phantom, A-4 Skyhawk, and the F-18 Hornet.

427 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:03:06pm

Breakdown of earmarks.

Taxpayers for Common Sense (TCS) has been going through the omnibus to pull together a total number of earmarks and dollar amount. TCS found 8,570 disclosed earmarks worth $7.7 billion. When you add the $6.6 billion in disclosed earmarks that were in the three FY09 spending bills that passed in the fall (Defense, DHS, MilCon/VA) you end up with $14.3 billion worth of disclosed earmarks in FY09. The apples-to-apples comparison from 2008 yielded $14.8 billion, so there was a $500 million reduction in disclosed earmarks between FY08 and FY09.


Database of who earmarked and how much. .xls download.

428 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:03:40pm

re: #404 avanti

OK, since we were looking for a reason for Obama to give Brown a chilly reception, this blogger has theory. I'm not saying I buy it, but it might be fun to discuss.

Link

Yes, fun if you're drunk. Avanti, do you read this kind of slop all the time?

429 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:03:54pm

re: #425 realwest

Hey jcm - catches it just before it hits the raised edge of the bar - how are you doing tonight?

Winding down, Alaskan Amber on hand waiting for dinner to warm up.

430 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:04:17pm

re: #412 TheRealThing

Hello, first post have been lurking trying to get on.

Pleased to meet you. Are are you doing tonight?

431 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:04:22pm

re: #412 TheRealThing

Welcome! Are the cocktails ready to be served yet? LOL

432 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:05:18pm

re: #408 itellu3times

OT: UK Telegraph doesn't like Michelle?

The Brits seem none too pleased with the first meeting with the Obamas. Wonder if there is any damage control going on.

433 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:06:17pm

re: #404 avanti

OK, since we were looking for a reason for Obama to give Brown a chilly reception, this blogger has theory. I'm not saying I buy it, but it might be fun to discuss.

Link

I could believe that, but like you I'm not sure I do. Still, I've updinged you for posting it. It's a thought provoking theory.

434 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:06:27pm

re: #420 jaunte Hey juante! Well I'm feeling a little bit better than I was this morning when I posted this at #633 of the DT:

it is with great sadness that I have to announce the passing of LGF commenter ElderZionist - who's widow, LGFer ChildofMary informed me of my friend's passing last night.
While ElderZionist and his widow ChildofMary were infrequent contributors to LGF, health issues were a primary reason - ElderZionist had had cancer for a number of years, and was also afflicted with a heart related problem- two surgeries and numerous bouts of chemotherapy/radiaiton thereapy left his body too weak to continue his fight.
He was a fine man and a truly good friend to me and his widow ChildofMary has been an equally good friend - she suffers from Fibromalgia and usually has difficulty typing.
There will be no memorial service, but ChildofMary expressed the wish that if anyone wanted to remember him that they make a donation to Cancer Research, through the American Cancer Society.
I realize that many of you will not recognize their nicnames out here - they became LGFer's quite some time ago, but you should know that he helped me keep my spirits up as he went through his own ordeal as did ChildofMary. I will miss him and his tremendous zest for life and his toughness a great deal.


To which I would add that ElderZionist was just 64 years old, and a Vietnam Veteran (Air Force).

435 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:06:46pm

re: #432 VioletTiger

The Brits seem none too pleased with the first meeting with the Obamas. Wonder if there is any damage control going on.

Yes, Obama told the Telegraph "I won!"

436 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:07:00pm

Odd, considering that Brown's speech to congress bordered on liberal ecclesiastics.

437 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:07:15pm

re: #413 realwest

Evening, real. Weather warming up down there?

438 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:07:18pm

The wind his high here in Abq New Mexico it could mix a cocktail in about one minute.

Came in strong about 2:30 to 3:00 this afternoon has not let up.

439 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:07:32pm

re: #422 pink freud
HOwdy pink frued! How are you tonight? Well, I hope.

440 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:07:48pm

k lizards. The beer is finished, the cheese has been eaten, and the Kenny Chesney CD is over. I'm off to stare blankly at the ceiling as visions of zombie killing dance in my head. (evil brain eating zombies, not Zombie)

441 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:09:00pm

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Yes, Obama told the Telegraph "I won!"

I bet the Brits could think of a witty retort to that....

442 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:09:07pm

re: #423 TheRealThing
Well how about that - a newbie with taste and discernment!
Well, except maybe the "rational" thing!
Thank you kindly.

443 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:09:22pm

re: #428 Walter L. Newton

Yes, fun if you're drunk. Avanti, do you read this kind of slop all the time?

Walter, yep, I read Hot Air too, and found the link there, but I know some love a blogger theory. BTW, sadly, not drunk, ran out of Sam Adams.

444 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:09:46pm

re: #434 realwest

I'm sorry to hear that. As a long time lurker, I remember the nic of ElderZionist.


יְהֵא שְׁלָמָה רבָּא
מִן שְׁמַיָּא,

445 Syrah  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:09:47pm

re: #406 lobo91

I've never seen the Blue Angels, but I did get to see the Thunderbirds at Nellis AFB in 2007, for their season finale. Awesome show for the hometown crowd.

First time I ever got to see an F-22 demo, too. Made the F-16s look like toys.

Its like watching someone do tricks on a very fast motorcycle versus someone doing tricks with a very fast tank.

446 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:10:32pm

Woah, I went to Babuna's site through google translator, it was bizarre. Apparently he hates the Harun Yahya, Masons, and communists ... in other words ZOG.........

447 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:11:14pm

re: #434 realwest

I saw the post about Elder Zionist in the top rated links. Please extend my deepest sympathies to his wife and family. I don't know them but I remember seeing their posts back in the day, before I was registered.

448 Catttt  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:11:51pm

re: #404 avanti

OK, since we were looking for a reason for Obama to give Brown a chilly reception, this blogger has theory. I'm not saying I buy it, but it might be fun to discuss.

Link

I read that earlier today. It's certainly plausible, but I don't think anyone knows for sure but President O.

I'm half inclined to think it's a simple matter of the President being thoughtless and condescending and having apparently never learned to cover it up with formal manners.

449 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:13:01pm

re: #427 jcm And I'm afraid that even more damage was done with the National Health Care proposal: some $31 Billion is going to come out - every year for five years - of the Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement fund, making doctors like Internists and Family Practice types harder and harder to come by as doctors specialize more than they have before.
To say nothing of the damage this may do to healthcare for the elderly and/or infirm.

450 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:13:21pm

re: #434 realwest

Hey juante! Well I'm feeling a little bit better than I was this morning when I posted this at #633 of the DT:


To which I would add that ElderZionist was just 64 years old, and a Vietnam Veteran (Air Force).

Very, very sorry to hear that, realwest. Please give the family my condolences.

451 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:13:27pm

re: #426 Gus 802

I'm still waiting to see an F-22 demo. Saw the Thunderbirds with the F-4E Phantom, T-38 Talon, and the the F-16. Blue Angels with the F-4J Phantom, A-4 Skyhawk, and the F-18 Hornet.

The F-22 is an amazing bird. The thought that Chairman Maobama may kill the program off makes me sick.

The only other time I've seen any of them was last spring, as I was leaving Gray Army Airfield at Ft Hood. As my plane was taking off, I happened to look out the window toward the military side of the field, and spotted not one but six F-22s parked there. Never was able to figure out what they were doing there.

452 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:14:10pm

re: #439 realwest

HOwdy pink frued! How are you tonight? Well, I hope.

Very windy in Chicago, too. But it was also warm, high around 63. Good weather for a walk, so I went to Brookfield Zoo. Not that good an idea, the zoo wasn't ready for the weather and too much was closed. Still, it was a lovely day and I'm glad I had some time to enjoy it.

453 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:15:08pm

re: #445 Syrah

Its like watching someone do tricks on a very fast motorcycle versus someone doing tricks with a very fast tank.

Yeah...that pretty well covers it.

454 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #437 VioletTiger
Evening VioletTiger - yeah, it's finally getting passable!
High today was 64 I think and projected high tomorrrow is 67!

455 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:15:17pm

re: #447 Pvt Bin Jammin

I missed that. Elder Zionest passed away?

456 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:15:59pm

I think Obama's press secretary needs a pet name.

Joe Gibbs should be called Joe Glibb.

He just can't get that stupid smirk off his face as he talks about how petty his opponents are and how brilliant he and his cohorts are.

457 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:16:32pm

re: #434 realwest

For ZionistElder

Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen.

May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity.

Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever spoken in the world; and say, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us
and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

AMEN Rest in peace.

458 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:16:50pm

re: #444 jaunte
Hey my friend, what does
"יְהֵא שְׁלָמ� x05B8;ה רבָּא
מִן שְׁמַי� x05B8;ּא,"
translate to in English?

459 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:17:00pm

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

Very windy in Chicago, too. But it was also warm, high around 63. Good weather for a walk, so I went to Brookfield Zoo. Not that good an idea, the zoo wasn't ready for the weather and too much was closed. Still, it was a lovely day and I'm glad I had some time to enjoy it.

That was nice. I haven't been outside since last Sunday.

460 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:17:54pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Hey... is Killgore around?

nope.
/just kidding

461 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:18:13pm

re: #446 Thanos

Woah, I went to Babuna's site through google translator, it was bizarre. Apparently he hates the Harun Yahya, Masons, and communists ... in other words ZOG.........

No surprise. He's just another Jew-hating Islamist. Just another turd in a sea of crap.

462 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:18:33pm

re: #459 Afrocity

That was nice. I haven't been outside since last Sunday.

You feeling any better today?

463 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:18:44pm

re: #450 Charles Thank you Charles, I will certainly do that.

And if you don't mind, ChildofMary has requested for those who feel inclined to do so, to please make a donation to Cancer research at, apparently, the American Cancer Society.

464 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:19:21pm

re: #459 Afrocity

That was nice. I haven't been outside since last Sunday.

Are you feeling any better?

465 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:19:52pm

re: #447 Pvt Bin Jammin
I'll be happy to do so PBJ. How are you doing tonight?

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:19:56pm

re: #410 lobo91

Wasn't the lunatic Board of Supervisors trying to keep them from performing during the most recent Fleet Week?

In 2007, yeah Chris Daly, who is a lunatic, proposed stopping them. The supes wouldn't go for it.

467 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:20:07pm

re: #462 jcm

You feeling any better today?

Yes, thanks. The beast has moved to my chest. I sound like Helen Thomas.

468 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:20:19pm

Back in the eighties one of our employees invited my daughter, myself and another employee to go clam digging up near Oxnard. The other guest was an Okinawan guy and he had recently talked the rest of us into eating raw fish. It was a tricky beach to get to, as we had to hike in quite a ways. We had a case of beer and some hot sauce for our raw clams. LOL After we had had our fill we were just chilling on the beach when what did we get...a Blue Angels show. It was fabulous! Thinking back on that, we were probably on Navy land. LOL Those clams were probably full of chemicals but we survived.

469 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:20:21pm

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Killgore, this may interest you. We had a concert tonight at the theatre. The act was "Acoustic Eidolon." Ever hear of them?

Contemporary instrumental combining world-class cello and the world’s greatest “double-necked ‘guitjo’” player Acoustic Eidolon, featuring Joe Scott on double neck guitjo and Hannah Alkire on cello are from Colorado and have graced stages throughout the US, Europe, Australia and Canada.

Very good musicians, not my kind of music, interesting to hear the guitar solo of "Stairway to Heaven" on a cello.

[Link: www.acousticalley.org...]

470 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:20:23pm

re: #448 Catttt

I read that earlier today. It's certainly plausible, but I don't think anyone knows for sure but President O.

I'm half inclined to think it's a simple matter of the President being thoughtless and condescending and having apparently never learned to cover it up with formal manners.

I tend to agree, he may not know some of the protocols, but he should have someone on his staff to explain the rules. Then again, Brown gave him the books that may have covered the incident where his grandfather was imprisoned. Some one on his staff should have read Obama's book too.

471 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:20:56pm

Mr. Gibbs has a leash and they have him collard.
Gelding Gibbs?

472 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:21:25pm

re: #439 realwest

You are wonderful, real. I was just reading your post of ElderZionist and sort of got lost in my own thoughts ....

My condolences to you and to ChildofMary.

64 years old. Much too young to go ...

473 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #467 Afrocity

Yes, thanks. The beast has moved to my chest. I sound like Helen Thomas.

Keep on eye on it, don't let it turn to pneumonia. I made that mistake last year.

474 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:23:10pm

The story behind Oktar Babuna is really strange....

He's a cancer survivor and needed bone marrow transplants, and apparently there was a huge campaign to gather a matching donor so he could be treated a a hospital in Seattle. There was apparently a fight either together with or possibly against he and Harun Yahya, and some sort of court case, hard to tell from the machine translation...

[Link: tr.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.seattlecca.org...]

475 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:23:13pm

re: #470 avanti

geeze

476 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:23:23pm

re: #467 Afrocity

Yes, thanks. The beast has moved to my chest. I sound like Helen Thomas.

No you don't. What you say actually makes sense.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:23:41pm

re: #467 Afrocity

Yes, thanks. The beast has moved to my chest. I sound like Helen Thomas.

Could be worse if it could make you look like Helen Thomas. ;)

478 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:23:46pm

Back to work here now, will try later.
Thanks for all your post, good reading.

479 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:24:09pm

re: #470 avanti

I tend to agree, he may not know some of the protocols, but he should have someone on his staff to explain the rules. Then again, Brown gave him the books that may have covered the incident where his grandfather was imprisoned. Some one on his staff should have read Obama's book too.

the King of Nothing is like his wife: won't brook anyone's *advice*. They are the ONE.

480 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:24:16pm

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

Very windy in Chicago, too. But it was also warm, high around 63. Good weather for a walk, so I went to Brookfield Zoo. Not that good an idea, the zoo wasn't ready for the weather and too much was closed. Still, it was a lovely day and I'm glad I had some time to enjoy it.

Sounds like a perfect day to me. :-)

481 jaunte  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:24:56pm

re: #458 realwest

Hey my friend, what does
"יְהֵא שְׁלָמ&# x05B8;ה רבָּא
מִן שְׁמַי&# x05B8;ּא,"
translate to in English?

Sorry I messed it up, part of the kiddush"
"May there be much peace from Heaven."

482 Rich H  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:24:58pm

Wasn't the Catholic Church once humbled for opposing Galileo essentially an Intelligent Design argument? (about the solar system)

Well, I guess they have evolved since then. Good for them!

483 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:25:07pm

Lucky red-tailed hawk survives I-5 head-on with SUV

"We saw it hit the bumper and then hit the grille," Quakenbush said. "We were going about 70 (mph), so we figured it was dead."

[snip]

Trooper Mike Hanson arrived to find a bird -- stunned, scared and agitated. He put on a pair of thick leather gloves before grabbing the hawk, which he described as "a little feisty."
484 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:25:12pm

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

Could be worse if it could make you look like Helen Thomas. ;)

You know I have never seen her young she may have been a babe like Heddy Lamar.

485 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:25:14pm

re: #448 Catttt

re: #448 Catttt

I read that earlier today. It's certainly plausible, but I don't think anyone knows for sure but President O.

I'm half inclined to think it's a simple matter of the President being thoughtless and condescending and having apparently never learned to cover it up with formal manners.


That and he blew him off when he realized Brown didn't have scripted questions for Obama to answer via teleprompter. If he had to have a conversation of more than a few sentences Brown would figure out Obama has absolutely no freaking idea what he's doing.

486 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:00pm

re: #434 realwest

May his memory be for a blessing. I'm terribly sorry to hear that.

487 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:07pm

re: #469 Walter L. Newton

Very cool

488 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:21pm

re: #480 pink freud

Sounds like a perfect day to me. :-)

If it was a little less windy and cloudy, it would have been. Still it was very nice.

489 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:37pm

re: #483 jcm

Lucky red-tailed hawk survives I-5 head-on with SUV

Hmm...how could they see the grill? Were they outside the car? Was the car moving? LOL

490 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:48pm

re: #457 jcm
Thank you my friend. I will pass that on to ChildofMary.

491 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:26:56pm

re: #484 Afrocity

You know I have never seen her young she may have been a babe like Heddy Lamar.

Film hadn't been invented yet back then.

492 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:27:44pm

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

Film hadn't been invented yet back then.

Cave paintings,probably...

493 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:28:00pm

re: #86 davinvalkri

I think I read somewhere that most of that nuclear waste, assuming it's Uranium, was of the comparatively inert variety (U-238?) and could just be stuffed anywhere. The actual live stuff (U-235?) could simply be recycled into new fuel. Nevada is getting WAY too uppity over Yucca Mountain.

It's not the uranium. U235 has a comfortably large half life if it's not concentrated to where a chain reaction gets started. (A bit less than a billion years is still a long time). U238 has a yet longer half life. Your problem with nuclear waste is that the fission byproducts are often radioactive themselves, and with much shorter half lives. And their decay products tend to still be radioactive, and the neutrons emitted by fissioning U235 bump some initially stable atoms in the shielding and moderating components of a reactor up to radioactive isotopes.

All that mishmash of radioactive isotopes of this, that, and the other gets to be a pain. Separating out the U235 and plutonium might pay, but the rest of the stuff is useless and dangerous. It does have to be stored somewhere until it cooks off naturally. Half lives in the vicinity of 100 years are the big problem. It lasts too long to easily wait out, and it's radioactive enough to be a radically greater health hazard than U235. One microgram of Polonium will kill you; one million micrograms of uranium (one whole gram) I dunno. Maybe somebody does. Uranium occurs naturally in granite and people put granite countertops in their homes without a blink. Their radiation exposure from that will be more than their exposure from all the nuclear waste that might ever be stored at Yucca. Opposition to the Yucca storage facility is grounded in fears that live outside the realm of reason.

494 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:28:18pm

re: #434 realwest

I am sorry to hear of the loss of a friend, a lizard, and a veteran.

495 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:28:38pm

re: #484 Afrocity

You know I have never seen her young she may have been a babe like Heddy Lamar.

Judge for yourself.

Image: press-corps-offices-1970-helen.jpg

496 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:29:08pm

re: #465 realwest

I'm doing pretty well, Realwest, just worried about the new socialized medicine plan, as you are. Glad my hubby has his spinal surgery scheduled instead of putting it off. Who knows if they would even give it to him if he waited. D*mn, it scares me to death.

497 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:29:14pm

re: #482 Rich H

Wasn't the Catholic Church once humbled for opposing Galileo essentially an Intelligent Design argument? (about the solar system)

Well, I guess they have evolved since then. Good for them!

Yep, the church forgave him a few years back.

link

498 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:29:28pm

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

If it was a little less windy and cloudy, it would have been. Still it was very nice.

I have been in Chicago in March. It was COLD! Windy too. But I loved it!

/78 here today

499 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:29:55pm

re: #469 Walter L. Newton

She play a Chris Dungey Cello. I know that guy.

500 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:30:04pm

re: #472 pink freud
Thank you. Thank you very much.

501 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:30:18pm

re: #492 lobo91

Cave paintings,probably...

ROTFL. Then I look at your avatar. It is hilarious.

502 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:30:30pm

re: #496 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm doing pretty well, Realwest, just worried about the new socialized medicine plan, as you are. Glad my hubby has his spinal surgery scheduled instead of putting it off. Who knows if they would even give it to him if he waited. D*mn, it scares me to death.

So for those of us who have medical insurance plans from when we retired (hubby got the golden parachute), does the zero plan on making us give that up?

503 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:30:58pm

re: #483 jcm


Amazing. That's one lucky bird.

504 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:31:03pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

Yes, they were. His custom two-neck was a 14 stringer. 6 and 8 (eight on the top neck). The eight stringer 1st two strings were bass strings. And he open tuned the lower neck, so he could both pick the bottom neck, and pluck, strum and hammer on the top neck.

And she was quite amazing herself.

That's not the version they did tonight. They went up tempo about halfway through and she did the guitar solo from the song note for note using the bow on the cello.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:31:19pm

Totally OT, has anyone else tried the Hershey's Bliss squares with raspberry centers? Little bit of heaven.

506 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:31:25pm

re: #495 capitalist piglet

Judge for yourself.

[Link: www.whitehousemuseum.org...]

Was that in the 70's? What happened to her? Did she have a stroke?

507 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:31:29pm

re: #493 lostlakehiker

It's not the uranium. U235 has a comfortably large half life if it's not concentrated to where a chain reaction gets started. (A bit less than a billion years is still a long time). U238 has a yet longer half life. Your problem with nuclear waste is that the fission byproducts are often radioactive themselves, and with much shorter half lives. And their decay products tend to still be radioactive, and the neutrons emitted by fissioning U235 bump some initially stable atoms in the shielding and moderating components of a reactor up to radioactive isotopes.

All that mishmash of radioactive isotopes of this, that, and the other gets to be a pain. Separating out the U235 and plutonium might pay, but the rest of the stuff is useless and dangerous. It does have to be stored somewhere until it cooks off naturally. Half lives in the vicinity of 100 years are the big problem. It lasts too long to easily wait out, and it's radioactive enough to be a radically greater health hazard than U235. One microgram of Polonium will kill you; one million micrograms of uranium (one whole gram) I dunno. Maybe somebody does. Uranium occurs naturally in granite and people put granite countertops in their homes without a blink. Their radiation exposure from that will be more than their exposure from all the nuclear waste that might ever be stored at Yucca. Opposition to the Yucca storage facility is grounded in fears that live outside the realm of reason.


Thank you Hanoi Jane and the China Syndrome.

508 avanti  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:31:51pm

Nite all, off to a Studebaker flea market in York Pa, Fri-Sat.

509 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:32:15pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally OT, has anyone else tried the Hershey's Bliss squares with raspberry centers? Little bit of heaven.

Yum! They sound great! ...now I am hungry...

510 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:32:28pm

re: #500 realwest

Hi my friend. Sorry to hear about your loss. He sounded like a wonderful friend. Those are hard to find.

511 Cognito  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:32:30pm

re: #508 avanti

Nite all, off to a Studebaker flea market in York Pa, Fri-Sat.

Sounds like fun.

512 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:32:43pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

She play a Chris Dungey Cello. I know that guy.

And he had two of those custom twin neck 14 stringers. They were open tuned differently on the bottom necks.

513 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:33:04pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

Shame on you. Aren't you supposed to be a Ghiradelli person by default?

514 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:33:37pm

re: #493 lostlakehiker

The whole controversy over certifying the long-term safety of the site is absurd, anyway. The moonbats are insisting that it be guaranteed to be safe for 1 million years.

First of all, humans will probably be long extinct in a million years, so I don't think it'll really be an issue. Let the intelligent cockroaches or whatever comes next worry about it.

Besides, someone will probably figure out a better solution for disposing of the stuff in a lot less time than that. 50 years from now, they might come up with a way to turn it into floor wax.

Or a tasty dessert topping.

515 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:33:45pm

re: #513 Afrocity

Shame on you. Aren't you supposed to be a Ghiradelli person by default?

In the matter of chocolate, it's allowed to be ecumenical.

BTW, I never did report on the Chocolatefest here in Portland, did I?

516 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:34:23pm

re: #479 Wishing Hi Wishing!
IIRC, the White House has always had a "Protocol Office" which was non-partisan, although iirc, the President could replace the head of that office if he chose to do so. Unless Obama discharged the head of that office without replacing him/her, then he surely did know the proper protocol. Why he chose not to follow it is not something I would guess about.

517 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:34:25pm

re: #508 avanti

Nite all, off to a Studebaker flea market in York Pa, Fri-Sat.

Say hello to Barack for us.

518 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:34:32pm

re: #502 Wishing

So for those of us who have medical insurance plans from when we retired (hubby got the golden parachute), does the zero plan on making us give that up?

I wish I could answer that but I haven't read up on it. We pay through the nose for our own, which is hard to afford, but I'm kind of under the impression that all of us get the same crap as everybody else. Who knows, it's probably not even completely ironed out but I know it's a priority of the O's.

519 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally OT, has anyone else tried the Hershey's Bliss squares with raspberry centers? Little bit of heaven.


Those are yummy. (runs for the bag)

520 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:35:06pm

re: #493 lostlakehiker

1 Microgram would kill you if injected, if ingested you would probably live.

521 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:35:12pm

Seattle Least Intelligence drops paper becomes a blog.

Hearst makes offers to staff online-only P-I

Staffers chosen to participate in an online-only version of the Seattle P-I were notified of their selection Wednesday and Thursday. The selections indicate The Hearst Corp.'s plan for such a Web site is advancing.Two reporters said they received "provisional offers" from P-I New Media head Michelle Nicolosi or Hearst executive Ken Riddick. They said they were told they will be given formal offers if the Web site gets the go-ahead from Hearst's senior management.
522 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:35:29pm

Obamas 'will meet Queen'

US president Barack Obama and his wife Michelle will meet the Queen when the couple arrive in the UK at the end of the month, it is reported.

I wonder what movies the O's will bring to the Queen?

523 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:35:54pm

re: #481 jaunte
Isn't the kiddush the Hebrew prayer for the dead?

524 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:35:55pm

re: #514 lobo91

Or a tasty dessert topping.

Or a tasty glow in the dark dessert topping.

FIFY!

525 Timbre  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:36:29pm
526 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:36:45pm

Beethoven Symphony No. 5 - Part 1

Beethoven Symphony No. 5 - Part 2

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #513 Afrocity

Shame on you. Aren't you supposed to be a Ghiradelli person by default?

I'm on a budget. ;) My husband came home with these things today--he was born in Oklahoma and has no allegience to My City By The Bay. They are awfully good.

I have to confess I mostly buy Ghiaradelli for out-of-state family members.

528 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #516 realwest

Hi Wishing!
IIRC, the White House has always had a "Protocol Office" which was non-partisan, although iirc, the President could replace the head of that office if he chose to do so. Unless Obama discharged the head of that office without replacing him/her, then he surely did know the proper protocol. Why he chose not to follow it is not something I would guess about.

Hey RW! I am sorry about the loss of your friend, and I sure appreciate that lovely note you wrote about him.
I was worried about you last night when you didn't log on: now I know why.
As for why the Zero would follow only his own advice, I would suggest plain ole arrogance.

529 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:37:01pm

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

Obamas 'will meet Queen'

I wonder what movies the O's will bring to the Queen?

The Queen

530 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:37:06pm

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

Obamas 'will meet Queen'


I wonder what movies the O's will bring to the Queen?


I hope somebody schools him on protocol. With all of the former Clinton peeps around him, you'd think he'd know.

531 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:37:27pm

re: #486 SanFranciscoZionist Thank you very much.

532 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:37:56pm

re: #524 jcm

Or a tasty glow in the dark dessert topping.

FIFY!

The descendants of Vince, the ShamWow guy, can sell it on whatever replaces TV.

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:38:31pm

re: #523 realwest

Isn't the kiddush the Hebrew prayer for the dead?

The kaddish is the prayer said (among other things) in memory of the dead.

The kiddush is the blessing said over wine.

Both from the same basic root word, meaning 'holy'.

534 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:38:33pm

re: #518 Pvt Bin Jammin

I wish I could answer that but I haven't read up on it. We pay through the nose for our own, which is hard to afford, but I'm kind of under the impression that all of us get the same crap as everybody else. Who knows, it's probably not even completely ironed out but I know it's a priority of the O's.

Because of my health issues, Mr Wishing insisted on a very good health insurance policy to cover us til death as part of his retirement. I sure hope the Zero doesn't take it from us. Without my meds...well, you get the picture.

535 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:38:54pm

re: #527 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm on a budget. ;) My husband came home with these things today--he was born in Oklahoma and has no allegience to My City By The Bay. They are awfully good.

I have to confess I mostly buy Ghiaradelli for out-of-state family members.

I don't care for chocolate.

536 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #535 Afrocity

I don't care for chocolate.

Can I have yours, then?

537 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:39:48pm
538 NY Nana  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:39:54pm

OT: My computer has gone totally spare, and I cannot get spinoffs at the top, or put them in at the end of a thread, as they simply aren't there.

I cannot reply, etc., nor can I use quote, insert a URL, etc., as the options have left the building.

AOHell has tried everything. NY Grampa is now speaking with a strange accent!

I have a feeling that this DellHell computer will have to be taken in for a repair.

Any ideas, Lizards?

539 lobo91  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:40:17pm

Well, it's past my bedtime. Night, all.

540 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:41:09pm

re: #538 NY Nana

OT: My computer has gone totally spare, and I cannot get spinoffs at the top, or put them in at the end of a thread, as they simply aren't there.

I cannot reply, etc., nor can I use quote, insert a URL, etc., as the options have left the building.

AOHell has tried everything. NY Grampa is now speaking with a strange accent!

I have a feeling that this DellHell computer will have to be taken in for a repair.

Any ideas, Lizards?

Have you tried a different browser? E.G. if you are using IE, try Firefox to see if it's something in IE

541 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:41:16pm

re: #535 Afrocity

I don't care for chocolate.


Really? You are only the second person I've heard say that.
I'll split your share with EmmmieG.

542 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:41:22pm

re: #539 lobo91

Bye Lobo

543 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #539 lobo91

nite. (pets wolf)

544 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:42:06pm

re: #535 Afrocity

I don't care for chocolate.

Wait, you're the cocoa-drinking lady, though, aren't you?

545 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:42:25pm

re: #541 VioletTiger

Really? You are only the second person I've heard say that.
I'll split your share with EmmmieG.

I never understood its appeal. Chocolate does nothing for me.

546 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:42:41pm

re: #494 Thanos
Thank you Thanos. He survived two surgeries, chemo and radiation but I'm afraid his body just couldn't take any more. But Lord knows his spirit was willing - his last e-mail to me was to make me feel better about my oncologist's appointment tomorrow - not a peep about his condition.
He was a fine man and good friend.

547 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:42:46pm

re: #541 VioletTiger

Really? You are only the second person I've heard say that.
I'll split your share with EmmmieG.

I knew a guy in college, and then there's my niece. The rest of my family is darn near to mainlining the stuff, so I'm not really sure where she came from.

548 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:42:54pm

re: #535 Afrocity

I don't care for chocolate.

Uh, oh... we may have a problem with this one......
We may have a anti-chocolate troll!

/ ;-)

549 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:43:37pm

re: #544 SanFranciscoZionist

That is the only way I will consume it. I am more of a fruit flavored person. My favorite candy is gummy bears, or licorice.

550 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:44:22pm

Here's a good resource for the Litvenko polonium poisoning, basically he drank enough to cook his innards from heat, he wasn't "irradiated" so to speak since the alpha particles don't penetrate skin.

[Link: www.edwardjayepstein.com...]

551 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:44:26pm

I'm beginning to think BO became President just for the pleasure of spending other peoples money.

Obama To Lead 1,000-Member US delegation Via 25 Aircrafts To Trinidad

The U.S. economy may be in a recession but President Obama will be pulling out the stops during his inaugural trip to the Caribbean this April.

Obama has reportedly confirmed his attendance at the Fifth Summit of the Americas in Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago from April 17-19, according to the islands Prime Minister, Patrick Manning.

Manning said Obama`s letter, dated February 25th, indicated that he will be leading a 1,000-strong U.S. delegation to the island that will arrive on 25 aircraft.

552 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:44:27pm

re: #534 Wishing

Because of my health issues, Mr Wishing insisted on a very good health insurance policy to cover us til death as part of his retirement. I sure hope the Zero doesn't take it from us. Without my meds...well, you get the picture.

I hope and pray that you'll be able to keep it. Hope we can keep ours too even though it is bar none our largest expense. We are self employed but my hubby has had health problems the last five years (he's 58 and I'm 61). His meds are SO expensive, even with insurance, since some aren't covered. Luckily his doctor gives him a lot of samples. If we go to some kind of socialized thing, I'm sure the samples will go by the wayside too.

553 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:44:56pm
554 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:45:03pm

re: #496 Pvt Bin Jammin
"D*mn, it scares me to death." Mom and I feel the same way, not that that's any comfort to you.

555 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:45:08pm

re: #506 Afrocity

Was that in the 70's? What happened to her? Did she have a stroke?

It was 1970, I guess. I don't know about any stroke. As far as I know, she just got older.

Here she is in 1975 (in her Wiki) - she looks like...Helen Thomas.

Image: 200px-379px-Helen_Thomas_-_USNWR.jpg

556 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:45:22pm

re: #525 Timbre

The Discovery Institute Has a Theory.

Classic. And Miss Elk had all the intellectual force the DI shows as well. ;)

557 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:46:21pm

re: #551 NJDhockeyfan

I'm beginning to think BO became President just for the pleasure of spending other peoples money.

Obama To Lead 1,000-Member US delegation Via 25 Aircrafts To Trinidad

And yet he couldn't meet the British Prime Minister at the airport.

558 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:46:22pm

re: #552 Pvt Bin Jammin

I hope and pray that you'll be able to keep it. Hope we can keep ours too even though it is bar none our largest expense. We are self employed but my hubby has had health problems the last five years (he's 58 and I'm 61). His meds are SO expensive, even with insurance, since some aren't covered. Luckily his doctor gives him a lot of samples. If we go to some kind of socialized thing, I'm sure the samples will go by the wayside too.

Can I just say that I hate this 44th presidency? So far it is a total waste. And dangerous.

559 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:46:45pm

re: #510 NJDhockeyfan
Harder and harder I'm afraid. Thank you.

560 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:47:22pm

re: #555 capitalist piglet

Ok, she just looks more twisted now.

561 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:47:59pm

re: #560 Afrocity

Ok, she just looks more twisted now.

That is the inside working its way out.

no /

562 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:50:21pm

re: #521 jcm
Well Charles was certainly right on in his interview with PJMTV wasn't he? Their problem, however, is still going to be that they are left wing biased in their editorial, opinion and REPORTAGE and I think Charles was absolutely correct when he doubted that an on-line presentation of the same old, same old just won't work.

563 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:50:42pm

re: #558 Wishing

Can I just say that I hate this 44th presidency? So far it is a total waste. And dangerous.

Amen to that. We are going to have to keep a sharp eye on everything and everybody involved. At least with the medical plan that Hillary put together for Bill, you could buy the book that spelled it out. I have one...think it would sell on E-Bay? LOL I have to laugh or I'd cry.

564 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:50:48pm

re: #551 NJDhockeyfan

My best guess? Trinidad makes up a big part of a traditional Democratic Party voting block in places like NYC. Trinidad and Tobago.

565 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:50:50pm

Jerusalem Backhoe Terror Attack Caught on CCTV.

566 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:51:06pm

Just saw this post from a blogger "Scott" on PJ media:

I think a lot of people are beginning to think this way. It seems to me that Obama is intentionally working to destroy the productive class in America. He will destroy a lot of wealth, and take most of the rest of it through taxes. This will be redistributed to “the poor”, who will forever vote Socialist in gratitude.

The “green” scam is going to make energy hugely expensive, resulting in much higher prices for everything. The greens are already talking about huge carbon taxes on air travel, which will destroy the ability of ordinary people to travel.

Here in California, we have new laws that will punish any city or county that dares to build anything designated as “sprawl”, which means single family homes. We are all supposed to move into out little box apartments next to train stations. Imported food will become vastly more expensive, and we will see a drop in variety and supply.

Think about what the greens actually want for us: no nuclear energy, no coal energy, no dams (kills fish). We’re supposed to be dependent on “wind and solar”. I read the other day that to produce the energy of ONE coal plant it would take 60,000 acres of windmills - assuming the wind blows. Solar? tens of thousands of solar panels in the desert, which I’m sure the enviros will just love. In short, they don’t want us to have anymore energy; they want us to do without, go back to the 17th century, and live “locally and sustainably”.

Intentional wealth destruction, outlawing cheap forms of energy for unproven “green” energy, carbon taxes on everything that uses power. All this is being done by Obama, and it’s being done right in front of us, right now.

Something is going to have go give. When it does, it ain’t gonna be pretty.

567 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:52:56pm

re: #545 Afrocity
Uh, can I please have your share then?!

568 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:54:08pm

Time for me to get some sleeps.

Gloria Alred vs. Ken Starr on Prop 8 in the CA Supreme Court

569 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:55:08pm

re: #528 Wishing
Thank you and I have to agree; one aspect of severe narcissism is the inability to accept things which don't fit your mind set.

570 NY Nana  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:56:28pm

#540 Thanos

My husband will install FireFox, but I have trouble with it! I am such a computer dummy that I am OK with IE7!

We have a feeling that this computer is seriously screwed upToo many things are going wrong. It has been a brutal day.

571 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:56:48pm

re: #568 Thanos

I don't think I can watch Gloria right now. I am already to depressed.

572 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:57:07pm

Cha-Cha-Cha......

573 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:58:03pm

re: #563 Pvt Bin Jammin

Amen to that. We are going to have to keep a sharp eye on everything and everybody involved. At least with the medical plan that Hillary put together for Bill, you could buy the book that spelled it out. I have one...think it would sell on E-Bay? LOL I have to laugh or I'd cry.

Heck sell it! Make some money off her. LOL

574 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:58:53pm

re: #572 jcm

Riding in cars, dancing...I think they're evolving.

/as long as they don't do the macarena

575 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:59:04pm

Last night's five hours sleep is cracking me over the head.

Going to bed.

Night everybody.

576 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 9:59:40pm

My other guess is that Obama never heard of a Spitfire, Hurricane, Churchill, Neville Chamberlain, Bernard Montgomery, Bangers and Mash, Stout Beer, Rugby, or any other thing closely related to the UK.

The only thing Obama is familiar with is chewing on chupeta.

577 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:00:44pm

re: #573 Wishing

Heck sell it! Make some money off her. LOL

Might as well! I hate to say it because I just can't take her but I'd almost rather have her as the pres.

578 Mr Secul  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:01:38pm

re: #103 Gus 802

This is good news. By it very nature intelligent design not being a science does not face any peer review. However, in this case it can be seen that the ID adherents are receiving a peer review from a religious group and the results play in favor of science.

True that. Even their own peers don't give them a good review. :-)

Though I imagine that many Catholics would not want to be considered as peers of the Disco crowd.

She is D, Delirious
She is I, Irreducible
She is S, Super-silly
She is C, C-C-Crazy
She is O, oh-oh!

579 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:02:47pm

re: #570 NY Nana

#540 Thanos

My husband will install FireFox, but I have trouble with it! I am such a computer dummy that I am OK with IE7!

We have a feeling that this computer is seriously screwed upToo many things are going wrong. It has been a brutal day.


You may have some spyware or malware. Another lizard recommended this software,
[Link: www.malwarebytes.org...]
There is a free version you can download. Small fee for an upgrade.
Cleaned things up for sure.

580 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:03:20pm

re: #577 Pvt Bin Jammin

Might as well! I hate to say it because I just can't take her but I'd almost rather have her as the pres.

At least she is an American. I am just not so sure that the zero was ever a real American. (And this has nothing whatsoever to do with his nirth certificate, and everything to do with his *hate America first* attitude.)

581 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:06:13pm

re: #570 NY Nana
Hi {Nana}
I think you will love Firefox, in comparison. The only thing that was different for me were the tabs because I was on IE6. If you try to close the whole page by mistake, it gives you a heads up.

582 outsidephilly  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:06:54pm

re: #434 realwest


(((real)))
I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for 'sharing' ElderZionist with us; he was so young to be so sick......

Please share my condolences with ChildofMary -- I will trust God to comfort her as she grieves for her husband, and as she deals with the daily struggles of Fibromalgia.

You are a good friend, real SIGH

583 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:07:30pm

re: #566 JohnAdams
Thanks for re-posting that for us.
A very thoughtful and provocative comment indeed.
The big question, of course, is if fossil fuels are pretty much denied to all but the favored few, how are all those folks living in “sprawl”, which means single family homes. We are all supposed to move into out little box apartments next to train stations." supposed to get items like, oh, FOOD and Medicine and the like?
I've raised this issue before and only got links to wannabe nuclear powered vehicles, but NOTHING NUCLEAR is going to be allowed.
Indeed, no PROVEN form of energy to provide heat and air conditioning, much less food or the wherewithall to cook it, nor medications for those who need it, nor transportation to medical centers will be used by the Greenies.
Except, of course, for the top Greenies; they'll get SUV's and fuel from improved and secured stations.

584 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:07:35pm

Nite all, I am watching the Thornbirds on Youtube.

585 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:07:48pm

WA State is nickel and diming us to death.

NEW TAXES
Soft drinks: 5 cents per 12 oz. can at wholesale: $277 million.
Bottled water: 1 cent per ounce at wholesale: $366 million.

REAL ESTATE EXCISE TAX
Raise rate to 1.6 percent from 1.28 percent: $381.4 million.

CIGARETTE TAX
Raise by 25 cents per pack (net gain): $56.4 million

OIL SPILL TAX
Boost oil spill tax to 5 percent value of barrell: $1.278 billion

ESTATE TAX
Double estate tax rates: $237.5 million.

RETAIL SALES AND USE TAX
--Raise state sales tax from 6.5 to 6.6 percent: $225 million.
--Raise state sales tax to 7 percent: $1.12 billion.
--Raise state sales tax to 7.5 percent: $2.23 billion.

[More:]

--Repeal the sales tax exemption for all newspapers: $30.7 million.
--Repeal the sales tax exemption for gasoline: $1.537 billion.
--Repeal the sales tax break for manufacturing: $416 million.

--Repeal sales tax exemption for vehicle trade-ins: $309 million
--Collect sales tax on over the counter drugs: $$38.6 million.
--Extend sales tax to candy and gum: $58.8 million.
--Repeal sales tax exemption for custom software: $252 million.

EXTEND SALES TAX TO CONSUMER SERVICES:
--to veterinarians: $39.2 million.
--to cable television: $61.2 million.
--to beauty salons: $51.9 million.
--to barber shops: $3 million.
--to funeral services: $8.4 million
--to motion picture theaters and drive-ins: $22.8 million.
--to professional sports clubs: $34.6 million.
--to membershop sports clubs: $3.6 million.

EXTEND SALES TAX TO BUSINESS SERVICES
--to advertising: $26 million.
--to janitorial services: $12.4 million.
--to consultants: $47.3 million.
--to lawyers and legal services: $374.6 million.
--to architects and engineers: $158.3 million.
--to accountants and auditors: $157.9 million.
--to detective and security services: $123.9 million.
--to research and development: $66.2 million.
--to computer and data processing: $124.1 million.
--to management services: $247.1 million.

EXTEND SALES TAX TO MEDICAL SERVICES
--to doctors: $453 million.
--to dentists: $221.9 million.
--to osteopaths: $1.8 million.
--to other health practitioners: $113.5 million.
--to nursing homes: $78.1 million.
--to hospitals: $393.7 million.
--to medical laboratories: $32.2 million.

EXTEND SALES TAX TO FINANCIAL SERVICES
--to banking: $15.8 million.
--to credit agencies: $144.2 million.
--to security brokers: $$146 million.
--to insurance companies: $9.3 million.
--to insurance agents: $190.4 million.
--to holding companies: $14.3 million.

BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX (Rate increases)
10 percent surtax on all: $630.6 million.
25 percent surtax on all: $1.577 billion.

repeal first mortgage deduction: $161 million.
repeal exemption for state-chartered credit unions: $50.2 million.
eliminate deduction for private school tuition: $12.7 million.

586 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:08:48pm

re: #578 Mr Secul

No doubt the Disco "Intelergent" design crowd have a lot of things in common with the Mullah extremists. Having been a Catholic I'm pretty sure how they view this sub-culture sect having lived in New Jersey and New York. They're kind of stuck between an Airstream and a restraining order to which they create a "scientific theory" from.

//

587 outsidephilly  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:09:01pm

Going to bed.

Good night everybody.

588 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:09:19pm

re: #584 Afrocity

Nite. OMG I loved that miniseries. Hope you are feeling better.

589 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:09:59pm

re: #587 outsidephilly

'Weet dreams.

590 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:10:21pm

re: #582 outsidephilly
Thank you {outsidephilly}.

591 outsidephilly  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:10:36pm

re: #584 Afrocity

Nite all, I am watching the Thornbirds on Youtube.


I read the book -- want me to tell you the ending? :>}

592 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:10:41pm

re: #585 jcm

Congratulations. You are now living in Jersey 2.

593 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:10:43pm

Here's some good news...

Judge denies the motions for acquittal of Fort Dix Five

A federal judge rejected the bids of the Fort Dix five to reverse the guilty verdicts and order a new trial for the men convicted of plotting to kill U.S. soldiers. U.S. District Judge Robert Kugler denied the motions for acquittal during a hearing this morning in Camden.

“There was overwhelming evidence that the jury could find guilt,” he said.

594 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:11:23pm

re: #570 NY Nana

Check your mail Nana ...

595 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:11:28pm

re: #592 VioletTiger

Congratulations. You are now living in Jersey 2.

Thank you!


I think.....
;-P

596 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:11:48pm

re: #587 outsidephilly
Good night outsidephilly! Sleep well.

597 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:11:58pm

re: #585 jcm

So these have not been enacted, but are being considered?
So long, America, welcome to the western European States.

598 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #592 VioletTiger

Congratulations. You are now living in Jersey 2.

The food is better in NJ.

599 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:13:12pm

Presidential Bait-and-Switch
What Obama once promised, and what he's delivering.
By Karl Rove

Barack Obama won the presidency in large measure because he presented himself as a demarcation point. The old politics, he said, was based on "spin," misleading arguments, and an absence of candor. He'd "turn the page" on that style of politics.

Last week's presentation of his budget shows that hope was a mirage.

For example, Mr. Obama didn't run promising larger deficits -- but now is offering record-setting ones. He'll add $4.9 trillion before his term ends and $7.4 trillion if given a second, doubling the national debt in five years and tripling it in 10. Mr. Obama's deficits will be much larger than he admits because he relies on rosy economic assumptions and gimmicks that mask spending and debt (like assuming popular new programs he supports won't be renewed).

Nor did Mr. Obama run promising more earmarks. Instead, he said he'd reform the earmark culture and "scour the federal budget, line by line, and make meaningful cuts." Now he wants to wave through a $410 billion omnibus spending bill with about 8,500 earmarks. This is on top of the $787 billion stimulus bill signed into law two weeks ago.

600 kynna  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:13:27pm

re: #463 realwest

Thank you Charles, I will certainly do that.

And if you don't mind, ChildofMary has requested for those who feel inclined to do so, to please make a donation to Cancer research at, apparently, the American Cancer Society.

(((((childofmary)))))
(((((real)))))

I recognize the name elderzionist. I'm so sorry for the loss.

I regularly donate to cancer research, so it'll be no prob to do another in elder's memory.

RIP.

601 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:14:49pm

re: #598 NJDhockeyfan

Ain't Corzine grand? Don't you just love the property tax rates? My uncle has a tax bill for about 9 grand for some stupid lot in Monmouth County.

602 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:15:21pm

re: #585 jcm

OMG Those are terrible increases. What in the h*ll do the states have against veterinarians, or animals, for that matter? They are talking about taxing them in California too.

603 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:16:19pm

re: #600 kynna
Thank you very much - you are very kind.

604 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:16:31pm

re: #602 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG Those are terrible increases. What in the h*ll do the states have against veterinarians, or animals, for that matter? They are talking about taxing them in California too.

Typical, instead of being upfront about taxes, it's death by a thousand hidden cuts.

605 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:17:13pm

I am a gun-totin, bitter Bible-clingin, chatterin sprawler.
Doesn't have a beat and you can't dance to it.

606 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:18:30pm

re: #601 Gus 802

Ain't Corzine grand? Don't you just love the property tax rates? My uncle has a tax bill for about 9 grand for some stupid lot in Monmouth County.

My mom, uncles, aunts, and cousins still live there. I want to go back but the taxes are so out of control that I have no problem staying in Virginia.

607 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:18:38pm

re: #605 Wishing

I am a gun-totin, bitter Bible-clingin, chatterin sprawler.
Doesn't have a beat and you can't dance to it.

Bible clingers don't dance.....

/my Baptist upbringing...

608 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:18:52pm

re: #601 Gus 802

Ain't Corzine grand? Don't you just love the property tax rates? My uncle has a tax bill for about 9 grand for some stupid lot in Monmouth County.

Did you see his new tax proposals? He want to raise taxes on the same income ranges as Obama, plus he wants to raise the tax on alcohol. Don't think he will be re-elected (fingers crossed).

609 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:19:28pm

re: #604 jcm
It's sickening.

610 realwest  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:19:33pm

Well you all, I have an early appoitment tomorrow and must go to bed.
Thank you to all who expressed sympathies, condolences and best wishes to Child of Mary and I know that she will appreciate and cherish them. If I didn't thank you personally on her behalf, it was purely oversight on my part.
I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

611 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:20:15pm

re: #607 jcm

Bible clingers don't dance.....

/my Baptist upbringing...

So ok...foot tapping only.

612 Wishing  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:20:44pm

re: #610 realwest

Well you all, I have an early appoitment tomorrow and must go to bed.
Thank you to all who expressed sympathies, condolences and best wishes to Child of Mary and I know that she will appreciate and cherish them. If I didn't thank you personally on her behalf, it was purely oversight on my part.
I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Good luck with the Doc in the AM, real!

613 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:21:06pm

re: #610 realwest

Good night, realwest.

614 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:21:37pm

GUNS, GUNS, GUNS!

615 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:21:48pm

Was 'Lady Macbeth' behind Barack Obama's snub of Gordon Brown?

But Michelle doesn't reciprocate our affection, one bit. Her broad-brush view of history associates Brits with the wicked white global hegemony responsible for the slave trade. Never mind that a white, Tory Englishman - William Wilberforce - brought the slave trade to an end. Judging by her record, Michelle does not make room for such subtle nuance.
616 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:21:54pm

re: #610 realwest
Good night, and I'll be thinking good thoughts about tomorrow.

617 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:22:09pm

re: #610 realwest

Nite. Headed that way as well.

618 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:22:12pm

re: #608 VioletTiger

Did you see his new tax proposals? He want to raise taxes on the same income ranges as Obama, plus he wants to raise the tax on alcohol. Don't think he will be re-elected (fingers crossed).

Corzine is a former Goldman Sachs Democratic Party Tool. I chide my folks about them voting for him. I think it might finally be sinking in. Not sure if the good people of New Jersey figured things out yet that voting for Dems is only making life harder for them.

619 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:23:36pm

re: #508 avanti

Nite all, off to a Studebaker flea market in York Pa, Fri-Sat.

If you find a pair of Wagonaire rocker panels, snag 'em for me.

620 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:23:47pm

re: #615 jcm

Michelle Obama is a cartoon.

621 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:24:15pm

re: #620 NJDhockeyfan

Michelle Obama is a cartoon.

Cartoon idol for the cartoon people.

623 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:27:35pm

Alright, Lizards, up out of your computer chairs, let's dance:

Toe tapping is just fine.

624 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:27:55pm

Video: Terrorist mosque in Minneapolis?


[Link: hotair.com...]

625 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:28:24pm

re: #622 NJDhockeyfan

Pro-Palestinian security at Toronto university threaten and assault Jewish students: “Shut up or I’ll saw your head off”

Don't expect to see the Canadian "Human Rights Courts" prosecuting this case. They're too busy prosecuting comedians.

627 jcm  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:35:10pm

Obama should pay attention to his predecessors. Especially when hosting foreign heads of State.

Courtesy is as much a mark of a gentleman as courage.
Theodore Roosevelt

'night honcos.

628 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:36:04pm

re: #627 jcm

Nite. Have a great day tomorrow.

629 Gus  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:37:09pm

re: #627 jcm

Obama should pay attention to his predecessors. Especially when hosting foreign heads of State.

Courtesy is as much a mark of a gentleman as courage.
Theodore Roosevelt

'night honcos.

Chau honcho.

630 hurricane567  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:37:26pm
Video of Oktar Babuna spewing idiocy for several minutes before getting the hook

Aren't the Swiss Guard armed with polearms? With hooks on them? Haul him out by his underpants then toss him in a fountain till he cools off.

631 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:37:50pm

I'm out. Can't keep my eyes open. Going back to the nest.

632 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:41:18pm

re: #583 realwest

real, today when the market tanked again much due to the forecast on General-freaking-Motors, these numbnuts were talking about raising the CAFE standards on automotive fuel requirements. It's like an ER doctor prescribing a sledgehammer over the head for a guy on life support. '60s radical intellectuals driving the bus during the worst economic crisis we've ever seen. Hope I wake up and discover it was all a nightmare.

633 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:41:57pm

re: #630 hurricane567

Aren't the Swiss Guard armed with polearms? With hooks on them? Haul him out by his underpants then toss him in a fountain till he cools off.

Besides their traditional arms the Swiss Guard also has contemporary non-ceremonial small arms like SIG P225 pistols and SIG SG 550 assault rifles at its disposal for security duties.[4] These small arms are also in use by the Swiss military. The Guard also engages in yearly rifle competition and receives self-defense instruction, as well as basic instruction on defensive bodyguard tactics similar to those used in the protection of many heads of state.[5]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

634 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:56:36pm

re: #566 JohnAdams

Just saw this post from a blogger "Scott" on PJ media:

I think a lot of people are beginning to think this way. It seems to me that Obama is intentionally working to destroy the productive class in America.

I disagree; I think he regards the productive class as indestructible and inexhaustible, like a magic money tree.

635 ziggyelman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:57:29pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Don't expect to see the Canadian "Human Rights Courts" prosecuting this case. They're too busy prosecuting comedians.

Wish he could have snuck a camera in!

636 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 10:58:41pm

Well, lizards, I am fading real fast. I keep wishing these times we are living in are just a bad dream too. We really need to get active on a state level now and I intend to do so.

Take care, everybody.

637 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:00:07pm

re: #634 Throbert McGee

I disagree; I think he regards the productive class as indestructible and inexhaustible, like a magic money tree.

We have about the next four years to pull our heads out of our collective arses and tell these douchebags that they are wrong. After that they will have their plan institutionalized.

638 ziggyelman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:01:56pm

re: #634 Throbert McGee

I disagree; I think he regards the productive class as indestructible and inexhaustible, like a magic money tree.

It is quite hard to figure out what "they" are thinking, isn't it? Do they really want to destroy capitalism? Then who/what will pay for all their swell ideas?
Perhaps you are right, they think no matter how much you beat down productive people, they will keep on, keepin' on....

639 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:02:02pm

‘I’m embarrassed’ by McNugget meltdown

Now, after becoming an Internet sensation for calling 911 three times to report an emergency after McDonald's had run out of McNuggets, a Fort Pierce woman said Wednesday she is embarrassed by all the media attention.

"I'm embarrassed to show my face in public," Latreasa Goodman told WPBF News 25's Alexis Rivera one day after her McNugget meltdown was first reported.

/she should have called Obama, he'd have gotten her her McNuggets

640 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:02:17pm

re: #637 JohnAdams

You are absolutely right. We can't just sit around.

Nite all.

641 Proximate  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:04:39pm

Let the Discovery Institute seethe. Perhaps in a century the Catholic Church will take note of them and issue a condemnation. These things take time, after all. The Church operates on a whole different time scale.

642 ziggyelman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:05:14pm

re: #639 Killian Bundy

‘I’m embarrassed’ by McNugget meltdown

/she should have called Obama, he'd have gotten her her McNuggets

And this isn't the first time I have heard of some idiot calling 9-11 because a fast foot joint didn't have what they wanted. Didn't I just see some guy do the same thing a few weeks back? He got arrested as well-whenever it happened.

643 ziggyelman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:06:10pm

I can't seem to get into the lounge tonight...anyone hear of a problem with it?

644 Mr Secul  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:10:29pm

Apologies to all OTTAWAN fans out there but they made me do it!

I've had this running through my head for some time now. I thought I'd share...

D.I.S.C.O.
D.I.S.C.O.
D.I.S.C.O.
She is disco

She is D. a Designer
She is I. Irreducible
She is S. Scientific!?!
She is C. Complex and specified
She is O. oh, oh

She is D. I'm Dumbfounded!
She is I. Incredulous!
She is S. Superstitious
She is C. such Confusion
She is O. oh, oh

D.I.S.C.O.
She is disco

She is D. Disasters
She is I. Impossible
She is S. Super Silly
She is C. Crazy, crazy
She is O. oh, oh

She is D. Dishonest!
She is I. Incredible
She is S. Super Sneaky
She is C. a Creationist!
She is O. oh, oh

D.I.S.C.O.
She is disco

645 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:13:18pm

re: #642 ziggyelman

And this isn't the first time I have heard of some idiot calling 9-11 because a fast foot joint didn't have what they wanted. Didn't I just see some guy do the same thing a few weeks back? He got arrested as well-whenever it happened.

Let's see, you could be talking about...

"Burger King Won't Make Me My Cheeseburger."

...or...

If Bank Of America Makes You Angry, Do Not Call 911 And Say The Bank Is Being Robbed

646 mrshankly01  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:16:34pm

re: #633 Dustyvet

good to know, thanks

647 mrshankly01  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:18:24pm

re: #641 Proximate

very true, like tree beard

648 ziggyelman  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:20:31pm

re: #645 gmsc

Let's see, you could be talking about...

"Burger King Won't Make Me My Cheeseburger."

...or...

If Bank Of America Makes You Angry, Do Not Call 911 And Say The Bank Is Being Robbed

Ha! The Burger King one sounds like the same story, only it isn't! The more recent story had a guy with a Jamaican accent saying how the burger(Don't recall which joint) wasn't the way he wanted it, and how they wouldn't fix it the way he ordered it, and how he wanted the police to do something about it. They did, they arrested his ass.

649 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:21:26pm

re: #645 gmsc

Hello, gmsc, I have gathered you're also a nite owl.

650 JohnAdams  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:22:11pm

I'm no alarmist, but I'll say what to my knowledge has not been said here. The world is going to hurt more and faster than the USA because of the inability of our government to lead. The War will start somewhere else, but it is coming. It's going to be bad.

651 gmsc  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:10pm

re: #649 pink freud

Hello, gmsc, I have gathered you're also a nite owl.

A bit, but I have been posting during the day today (although that's rare).

652 Edouard  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:24:35pm

The song in this video sums up my despair over witnessing the clueless DEM-agogues who have their hands on power and are, at present, systematically and ham-handedly running this great country directly into the ground.

The DEM-agogues have got everything, I mean EVERYTHING backwards, and basically, they're just a-holes.

653 mrshankly01  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:25:59pm

yea, they are a holes

654 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:34:03pm

re: #651 gmsc

I noticed. I too have been on more in the day. I go through phases with my need for solace and like-mindedness, and LGF provides that to me. The news/stress/pressure is starting to feel like a pressure cooker this last week(s); this is my port in the storm. There's been very very little good news since inauguration. The Churchill bust/Brown visit/CD fiasco just makes me cringe. What an ass he is.

655 Edouard  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:44:27pm

re: #654 pink freudThere's been very very little good news since inauguration. The Churchill bust/Brown visit/CD fiasco just makes me cringe. What an ass he is.

I regard it as an act of national childishness that America first advanced, and later elected this callow individual as its president.

I pray constantly that we as a nation might somehow WAKE THE HELL UP and correct as many of his ongoing grievous errors as possible, as soon as possible.

656 pink freud  Thu, Mar 5, 2009 11:54:50pm

re: #655 Edouard

Someone here posted this the other night. P.J. Rourke. It bears repeating.

"America is a John Wayne Movie"

"Back in London…one more person started in on the Stars and Stripes. Eventually he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about 'Your country's never been invaded.' (This fellow had been two during the Blitz, you see.) 'You don't know the horror, the suffering. You think that war is…'

"I snapped.

"A John Wayne movie' I said. 'That's what you were going to say, isn't it? We think war is a John Wayne movie-with good guys and bad guys, as simple as that. Well, you know something, Mister Limey Poofter? You're right. And let me tell you who those bad guys are. They're us. WE BE BAD.'

"We're the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother's side. You take your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it won't give us room to park our cars. We're the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express credit card limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.'

"You say our country's never been invaded? You're right, little buddy. Because I'd like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who'd have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio'. Hell can't hold our sock-hops. We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer, and buy more things than you know the names of. I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than the king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little counties like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.'

"Of course, the guy should have punched me. But this was Europe. He just smiled his shabby, superior European smile."


/ Obama may be the sleaziest and trickiest politician to ever rise to power in this country, but the American spirit shines bright and strong. We will prevail.

657 Summer Seale  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 2:00:24am

I know I'm way late in commenting on this thread, and nobody will ever read this, but...

...I think that must be the first time that I have ever seen or heard of the Vatican actually trying to drag somebody, kicking and screaming, into modernity.

Definitely a first in history, as far as I know.

658 freetoken  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 3:14:11am

re: #657 Summer

I know I'm way late in commenting on this thread, and nobody will ever read this, but...

On the contrary... dead threads do get read

659 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:59:58am

The Islamist said:
"Babuna said afterward that the conference was clearly undemocratic. A statement from Yahya said, “Although there are discussion parts, they want this discussion to be one-sided.”

Perhaps one of the most fundamental misconceptions of creationists of any kind, is that science is "democratic".

It is not. When you are wrong you are out, period.

660 Ice-9  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:38am

I came for the down-dinged comments and creationist Whack-A-Mole bloodsport and leave here sorely disappointed. Curse you and your thoroughness, lizard Darwinists!

Charles: Could you please open your next lgf new membership window during a full moon?

661 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:11:41am

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

Obamas 'will meet Queen'

I wonder what movies the O's will bring to the Queen?

The Queen in all her majestic regalness.

662 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:16:00am

re: #660 Ice-9

I came for the down-dinged comments and creationist Whack-A-Mole bloodsport and leave here sorely disappointed. Curse you and your thoroughness, lizard Darwinists!

Charles: Could you please open your next lgf new membership window during a full moon?

I feel the disappointment too. They haven't even tried everything and they're giving up. What about the evolution of metamorphosis? That's kinda hard to understand at first. Surely it's at least worth a try? Come on guys, be good sports and have another bash.

663 gander  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:18:24am

"Don't Taze me 'bro'!"

664 fish  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:58am

Did the Vatican actually think that they could hold a seminar on Science and not upset someone no matter what they did? Either the Scientists would say it is too religious or the religious would say it is too scientific.

665 redseeped  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:55:06am

Octobaboon just proved that Evolution did not benefit all of us equally.
At least intellectually...

666 orcuttg  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:59:51pm

Lawrence Principe of Johns Hopkins does a great taxonomy on the various Creationist stances in his Teaching Company course on Science and Religion. He shows that the Catholic response to this creationism/Darwinism discussion (I will not say conflict, because it isn't) is much more nuanced and receptive of recent scientific data than most Protestant approaches, which tend towards what he calls "naive literalism". Hence the Vatican's chilly response to young earthers, etc.
I'd encourage as many of you as can to listen to him, either on those lectures I referred to, or any of several others that are scattered around the net.

667 emkkahn  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 7:12:31pm

Yeah, I believe in God.
But every case of a bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics is a case of evolution. Survival of the fittest...
As a Catholic I look to the Bible for Truth, but a kindly priest told me to look to a text-book for Facts....


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Wes Montgomery - Here’s That Rainy Day - Live London 1965Stan Tracey (piano) Wes Montgomery (guitar) Rick Laird (bass) Jackie Dougan (drums)Television broadcast, "Tempo", ABC TV, London, England, May 7, 1965
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Halsey - You Should Be Sad (Lyric Video) Halsey’s new album ‘Manic’ out now! halsey.lnk.toiTunes: halsey.lnk.toSpotify: halsey.lnk.to Apple Music: halsey.lnk.toAmazon: halsey.lnk.toGoogle Play: halsey.lnk.to Get tickets to #ManicWorldTour! Each ticket purchase comes with a physical copy of ‘Manic’.halsey.lnk.to Follow Halsey –Twitter: @halsey Facebook: facebook.com Instagram: instagram.comSpotify: halsey.lnk.toOfficial Site: ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200119Yup, some are now calling it "The Pondathon" The boards we pounded in to the sump last week were not long enough to reach bottom.We didnt want to spend all day sunday on this and lose a day. And we ...
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Steve Martin and the Steep Canyon Rangers - California (Official Lyric Video) ​@Steve Martin and @Steep Canyon Rangers present "California"Get the song now via @Rounder Records found.ee Produced by RMV ProductionsAnimators: Matt Entecott and Tash TullyDirector: Peter ReeveInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: @RMVProdsFacebook: facebook.com Follow Steve Martin on Twitter: @SteveMartinToGoFor more info and tour ...
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