Nirther Smack-Down

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We’re not the only ones well and truly fed up with the “nirth certifikit” craziness. The judges who have to deal with these kooks are also beginning to reach snapping point.

D.C. District Judge James Robertson penned a particularly harsh memo yesterday dismissing a case called Hollister v. Soetero.

“This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do. Even in its relatively short life the case, has excited the blogosphere and the conspiracy theorists. The right thing to do is to bring it to an early end,” he wrote.

In the entertaining five-page memo, Robertson also describes the lawyers pushing the case as “agents provocateurs” and their local counsel as “a foot soldier in their crusade,” and requires that he prove why he should not pay Obama’s legal fees for filing a complaint “for an improper purpose such as to harass.”

The judge’s dismissal of the case is good readin’.

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1198 comments
1 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:42:35pm

He eated it.

2 saberry0530  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:42:46pm

When a bitch slap is really a bitch slap!

3 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:43:12pm

Oooo GOODY!
Biff was on the site earlier today!

4 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:43:54pm

Phew .. I could have used the F word there for a second .. but then I didnt end up being second.

5 Steffan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:45:21pm

Obama ought to consider him for a higher bench. Especially if one of the SCOTUS prunes decides to retire.

Probably won't, though. He shows entirely too much common sense.

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:47:01pm

Biff's last post was about 2 1/2 hours ago, and he's not logged in now.
THEREFORE ... I'll plunk down my usual ... ... ... $5 on comment 390.

7 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:47:21pm

That's one hell of a bitchslap.

8 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:48:27pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

That's one hell of a bitchslap.

It's gonna leave a mark!

9 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:48:29pm

What worries me is that these "nirthers" are going to keep pushing this agenda until they find some lunatic judge to rule in their favor. They will use the same tactics that the YEC crowd uses to advance their pseudo science agenda. Kudos to this judge for laying the smackdown on these idiots but I wouldn't hold my breath; this band of flunkies will be back.

10 screaming_eagle  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:48:40pm

Robots have a “nirth certifikit”?

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:49:34pm

Do I hear the dinner bell? 'Cause the Nirthers just got SERVED!

12 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:49:45pm

After reading the dismissal, I have to ask: how much would a Hemenway pay?

13 capitalist piglet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:50:46pm

No manatee? Rats.

14 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:51:00pm
This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve
mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is
foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to
do. Even in its relatively short life the case has excited the
blogosphere and the conspiracy theorists. The right thing to do
is to bring it to an early end.

We came .. we saw .. we kicked its ass !

/ Ghostbusters (Bill Murray - 1982)

15 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:51:54pm

re: #2 saberry0530

When a bitch Biff slap is really a bitch Biff slap!

/fixed

16 screaming_eagle  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:52:12pm

This is an example where loser pays is needed in lawsuits.

17 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:53:15pm

I think Berg is more than an agent provocateur- he's a moby. He's a democrat hell bent on pushing this BS for kookservatives to swallow. And when these kooks push this nonsense on their blogs they give those who would discredit the blogosphere the perfect weapon with which to do so.

18 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:53:18pm

re: #16 screaming_eagle

This is an example where loser pays is needed in lawsuits.

You have that .. loser pays costs .. and any penalties related to loss of business or indebtures related to the trial.

Its not cheap to lose a trial.

19 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:53:27pm

Make John D. Hemenway pay 1.5 trillion dollars and we'll almost be out of debt.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:53:31pm

Sigh. The White House is buying popcorn tonight to sit back and watch the show.

Save your energy for a real cause, people.

21 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:55:04pm

re: #20 EmmmieG

Sigh. The White House is buying popcorn tonight to sit back and watch the show.

Save your energy for a real cause, people.

No kidding. There are so many other, real things that are wrong with the current President, that the myth of his "fake" birth certificate is simply a waste of time.

22 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:55:47pm

Man charged with felony for sock puppeteering. Man charged with impersonating Dead Sea Scroll experts

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The son of an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls impersonated other experts in order to further his father's views on the 2,000-year-old documents, New York prosecutors said on Thursday.

During a six-month period in 2008, Raphael Haim Golb, whose father Norman Golb is a University of Chicago professor of Jewish history, created dozens of Internet aliases in the names of individuals who were active in Dead Sea Scrolls scholarship...

Golb is charged with identity theft, criminal impersonation and aggravated harassment, and faces a maximum of four years in prison if convicted.

23 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:56:12pm

"...the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway to show cause why he has not violated Rules 11 (b) (1) and 11 (b) (2) of the Federal rules of civil Procedure, and why he should not be required to pay reasonable attorneys fees and other expenses to counsel for the defendants."

(b) Representations to the Court.

By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper — whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it — an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:

(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;

(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;

(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and

(4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on belief or a lack of information.


[Link: www.law.cornell.edu...]

24 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:56:45pm

Oh, Noes! Nirth Certifikit always gits eated!

25 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:57:09pm

Some court(s) should put the smack down on the 9/11 troofers also. Another bunch of nutbars that could use a good smacking.

26 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:57:25pm

re: #22 Mich-again

Is that actually illegal?

27 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:57:26pm

re: #21 Natasha

No kidding. There are so many other, real things that are wrong with the current President, that the myth of his "fake" birth certificate is simply a waste of time.

Let's start with his Columbia School transcripts.
I want to see which classes and professors.......

28 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:58:15pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Oh, Noes! Nirth Certifikit always gits eated!

I swear, we need the Porkulus Bill translated to LOLspeak to make it a little happy.

29 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:58:16pm

re: #27 jcm

Let's start with his Columbia School transcripts.
I want to see which classes and professors.......

The LA Times video comes to mind, as well.

30 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:58:47pm

OK -

UNA VEZ MAS. La Madre de Pres. B. Hooversein Obama fue Norteamericana. Entonces, Obama es Norteamericano tambien. No hay mas.

-S-

31 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 5:59:04pm

re: #29 Taqyia2Me

The LA Times video comes to mind, as well.

THAT has DEFINITELY been eated.

32 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:00:06pm

re: #27 jcm

Let's start with his Columbia School transcripts.
I want to see which classes and professors.......


scrubbed and buried in FT Knox....coward

33 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:00:12pm

re: #26 ConservatismNow!

Is that actually illegal?

The current one that I want to see being made illegal is any protest .. petition .. crowd gathering of negative context or harassment of people at funerals, whether they be military .. civilian or goverment.

That stuff is just wrong. The dead deserve the right to get buried with respect.

34 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:00:59pm

re: #31 OldLineTexan

THAT has DEFINITELY been eated.

If the LA Times is smart, they didn't "eated" it.

35 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:01:37pm

re: #33 Buster Bunny

Indeed. Protests at funerals could be considered "fightin' words."

36 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:01:56pm

Nirther Smack Down! Yeehaw!

37 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:02:20pm

Pres Obama reminds me of Alcibiades

38 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #22 Mich-again

Man charged with felony for sock puppeteering. Man charged with impersonating Dead Sea Scroll experts

Wow! Doing the sock puppet thing in real life is a felony- who knew?

39 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:17pm

We need this judge in traffic court....no doubt about it.

40 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:25pm

re: #29 Taqyia2Me

The LA Times video comes to mind, as well.

His thesis.
His legislative record.
His law firm record.

41 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:32pm

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If the LA Times is smart, they didn't "eated" it.

Heh.

Smart Fail.

/my bet

42 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:46pm

re: #23 jaunte

"...the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway to show cause why he has not violated Rules 11 (b) (1) and 11 (b) (2) of the Federal rules of civil Procedure, and why he should not be required to pay reasonable attorneys fees and other expenses to counsel for the defendants."


[Link: www.law.cornell.edu...]

If justice is really administered in this case, the Nirther's representations will be rejected and they'll be made to pay.

43 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:03:47pm

So if any of this birth certificate story is true, who was it, 47-48 years ago, that said "First we need to announce a birth in the Honolulu newspaper....."?

The logic is non-existent.

/but "0" is still ruining America.....

44 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:04:32pm

Maybe this judge can take a look at Global Warming.

or the steel tarriffs.

45 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #43 IslandLibertarian

So if any of this birth certificate story is true, who was it, 47-48 years ago, that said "First we need to announce a birth in the Honolulu newspaper....."?

The logic is non-existent.

/but "0" is still ruining America.....

I always say .. judge a man by his actions .. not by the suit he wears.

Ok .. with the O .. nuff said.

46 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:04:41pm

re: #39 Orangutan

We need this judge in traffic court....no doubt about it.

/next one that gets filed, assign it to Judge Judy

47 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:04:44pm

re: #33 Buster Bunny

The current one that I want to see being made illegal is any protest .. petition .. crowd gathering of negative context or harassment of people at funerals, whether they be military .. civilian or goverment.

That stuff is just wrong. The dead deserve the right to get buried with respect.

Nah, just decriminalize assaulting Fraud Phelps and crew at a funeral.

48 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:05:32pm

re: #47 jcm

Nah, just decriminalize assaulting Fraud Phelps and crew at a funeral.

norty. And yet ...

49 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:06:16pm

re: #47 jcm

Nah, just decriminalize assaulting Fraud Phelps and crew at a funeral.

Now that's good eatin'.

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:07:12pm

re: #37 hazzyday

Pres Obama reminds me of Alcibiades

No, not at all. Here are two key differences:

Alcibiades fought with distinction at the battle of Delium, Obama never served in the military.

Alcibiades had Socrates as a teacher, Obama had Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

No, Obama is in his own unique class of asshole politician.

51 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #18 Buster Bunny

You have that .. loser pays costs .. and any penalties related to loss of business or indebtures related to the trial.

Its not cheap to lose a trial.

These are Federal Rule 11 sanctions for frivolous litigation.

/that's not the same as the English "loser pays" system for all lawsuits, we don't have that yet

52 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #43 IslandLibertarian

So if any of this birth certificate story is true, who was it, 47-48 years ago, that said "First we need to announce a birth in the Honolulu newspaper....."?

The logic is non-existent.

/but "0" is still ruining America.....

ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!

53 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:09:59pm

re: #43 IslandLibertarian

So if any of this birth certificate story is true, who was it, 47-48 years ago, that said "First we need to announce a birth in the Honolulu newspaper....."?

The logic is non-existent.

/but "0" is still ruining America.....

Aliens.

54 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:03pm

re: #48 Buster Bunny

norty. And yet ...

As Roy Bean once noted ... well, I don't want to get banned.

55 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:06pm

re: #40 jcm

His thesis.
His legislative record.
His law firm record.

all Americans are responsible here...who will ask him?...we desrve to know but people are either mezmorized into inaction or they fear him...nobody has the guts to call him out

56 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:22pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Choice MM, choice.

57 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:44pm

Oh, Lord have mercy.......

58 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:54pm

re: #53 Gus 802

I'm goin' with Mandy on this. Rove is amazing!

59 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:11:58pm

I want Judge Robertson to look into earmarks.

60 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:12:08pm

Take your guess on the next cause celebre. Two already have a small following.

-- Obama didn't write his books.

-- You can't see Obama's reflection in a mirror.

-- He's the love child of Malcom X.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:13:16pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

As Roy Bean once noted ... well, I don't want to get banned.

Go to that Morse Code translator site and ...

62 ciaospirit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:13:26pm

re: #20 EmmmieG

Sigh. The White House is buying popcorn tonight to sit back and watch the show.

Save your energy for a real cause, people.

Doesn't say much for the President then. He could get off his childish game playing and put an end to this in five minutes. Allow access to the records. Instead he chooses to pay lawyers with taxpayer dollars just for the amusement? I'm not amused.

63 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:13:42pm

re: #60 HelloDare

Take your guess on the next cause celebre. Two already have a small following.

-- Obama didn't write his books.

-- You can't see Obama's reflection in a mirror.

-- He's the love child of Malcom X.

-- Those aren't his ears. They're antennae.

64 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:13:54pm

Does anyone else think that BHO is a worse anti-American than the peanut farmer?

65 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:14:06pm

re: #43 IslandLibertarian

She may have "moved" the birth to Honalulu to get welfare benefits...

66 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:14:23pm

By daily kos standards, the nirthers are pretty tame.

67 screaming_eagle  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:14:24pm

re: #60 HelloDare

-- You can't see Obama's reflection in a mirror.

WoW
I didn't know that. You learn something new here everday.

68 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #63 Racer X

-- Those aren't his ears. They're antennae.

Satellite dishes.

69 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:15:13pm

re: #64 WhiteRasta

At least Jimmy served n the Navy. Barry couldn't be bothered.

70 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:15:27pm

re: #65 Kenneth

oh dear God, Kenneth, I hope you're sarc'ing here.

71 swamprat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #40 jcm

His thesis.
His legislative record.
His law firm record.

His three week vacation in beautiful, festive PAKISTAN?

72 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:15:51pm

re: #62 ciaospirit

Doesn't say much for the President then. He could get off his childish game playing and put an end to this in five minutes. Allow access to the records. Instead he chooses to pay lawyers with taxpayer dollars just for the amusement? I'm not amused.

I'm not either..I don't think it's funny at all...I'm waiting for somebody to stand up with some guts and take BO to task...the presser people in DC won't do it because they want their access passes...fucking cowards

73 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:16:04pm

re: #68 HelloDare

Obama wears a grass skirt around the White House.

/explains keeping the heat turned up

74 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:16:07pm

This nirth crap sure has legs, for the MFM/lib/dem cabal, that is.

75 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:16:08pm

re: #63 Racer X

-- Those aren't his ears. They're antennae.

Dish TV. He gets all the sports channels.

76 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:16:16pm

re: #70 IslandLibertarian

I'm no nirther. the whole topic deserves sarcasm.

77 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:16:51pm

re: #69 Kenneth

78 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:17:29pm

re: #60 HelloDare

...

-- Obama didn't write his books.

.....

Kennedy didn't either....so that one's off the list.

I have to admit, the MSM's willingness to promote the kooks is a harsher exponent of their presentations of whacked out Kansas toting guns and shooting up abortion clinics 25 years ago....you would have thought the RNC was plotting clinic assaults at the time. Even in 2003, all my Dem friends would only talk about the abortion lobby when they addressed the Republican party.

79 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:17:31pm

Paying for the war on terror, destroying confidence in the economy, building a whole new web of nanny state....and these losers are stock on Nirth. Honestly get a frigging life already!

80 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:17:40pm

re: #69 Kenneth

Oh, Dear G-d, good point.

81 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:18:08pm

re: #79 jhrhv

Sorry meant paying terrorist for terror

82 swamprat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:18:43pm

Leave nirth. Come to earth.

83 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:18:44pm

re: #69 Kenneth

At least Jimmy served n the Navy. Barry couldn't be bothered.

He considered joining.

84 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:18:53pm

Cool - Helix Nebula
In case you missed it.

85 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:06pm

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Go to that Morse Code translator site and ...

Heh.

86 Jonn Lilyea  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:12pm

I get email everyday from that Berg crank. I don't know how I got on his email list, but but he seems to be spam filter-proof.

87 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:16pm

( Psst. Obama's original birth certificate was stored in a safe in the basement of the Twin Towers. Pass it on. )

88 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:21pm

re: #83 MandyManners

He considered joining.

But there wasn't a war to fight.

89 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:22pm

This judge, who is a Clinton appointee, actually did a favor for the Republican party since the nirthers are by default attached to conservatives. This is a major publicity problem.

90 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:19:54pm

re: #68 HelloDare

Satellite dishes.

Yeah, fifty-three channels and nuthin' on.

91 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:20pm

re: #46 Killian Bundy

/next one that gets filed, assign it to Judge Judy

"You're an idiot."

"If something doesn't make sense, it isn't true."

"Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."

"Byrd, escort this idiot out."

92 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:24pm

re: #55 albusteve

all Americans are responsible here...who will ask him?...we desrve to know but people are either mezmorized into inaction or they fear him...nobody has the guts to call him out

FMSM's job. But those bastard's lips are so firmly locked on The Ones ass. All during all his campaign's not one fucking reporting has asked, "Mr. Obama can we see your University of Columbia transcripts" not one.

And papers around the country wonder why they are going under.

93 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:32pm
94 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:47pm

re: #86 Jonn Lilyea

I get email everyday from that Berg crank. I don't know how I got on his email list, but but he seems to be spam filter-proof.

Why not send him penile enhancement ads in return?

95 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:20:48pm

re: #88 ConservatismNow!

But there wasn't a war to fight.

As if Obama would have volunteered for service in Viet Nam!

Good one... ROFLMAO!

(I mean on our side)

96 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:21:07pm

Yes! Nirthers = pwnd. For now.

Oh, on that note, Al Franken = kinda pwnd as well.

97 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:21:29pm

re: #27 jcm

Let's start with his Columbia School transcripts.
I want to see which classes and professors.......

jcm -

In words of old "Jewish/Japanese" Philosopher - Ganza Mishpucha - 'Rot's of Ruck!

-S-

98 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:21:36pm

re: #60 HelloDare

Take your guess on the next cause celebre. Two already have a small following.

-- Obama didn't write his books.

-- You can't see Obama's reflection in a mirror.

-- He's the love child of Malcom X.

Yet they ignore the proverbial elephant in the room: the man is a red-@$$ed SOCIALIST!

99 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:21:42pm

re: #86 Jonn Lilyea

I get email everyday from that Berg crank. I don't know how I got on his email list, but but he seems to be spam filter-proof.

I get emails offering me larger boobs, a longer penis and the chance to try cheap Viagra. Nothing as vapid as Berg though.

100 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:21:59pm

re: #85 OldLineTexan

Heh.

.... . ....

101 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:22:08pm

re: #99 Buster Bunny

I get emails offering me larger boobs, a longer penis and the chance to try cheap Viagra. Nothing as vapid as Berg though.

Package deal?

102 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:22:24pm

this stiff comes into the WH and wrecks the stock market, trashes our allies ,pushed people aside to promote his commie agenda and nobody even has the guts to pin him on his absents of publications at the HLR...fucking gutless

103 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:22:35pm

re: #98 Natasha

Yet they ignore the proverbial elephant in the room: the man is a red-@$$ed SOCIALIST!

Socialist is putting it nicely.

104 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:22:49pm

re: #91 MandyManners

"If something doesn't make sense, it isn't true."

Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States of America

105 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #56 BigPapa

Choice MM, choice.

I picked it up here!

106 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:36pm

Where Kenya get a copy of the one's real Nirth Shertificate?

107 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:40pm

re: #58 IslandLibertarian

I'm goin' with Mandy on this. Rove is amazing!

Even more so considering he was about 11 when FCBBHO was born.

108 Kenneth  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:47pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States of America

The exception that proves the rule.

109 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:47pm

re: #101 Kenneth

Package deal?

Would look too wierd .. very trendy .. but far too wierd for me.

110 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #78 Orangutan

Orangutan -

True - AND - the JFK Book was about "Heroes of American History" - the TWO OBAMA BOOKS are "ABOUT ME, ME, ME, ME!"

-S-

111 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:25:25pm

re: #99 Buster Bunny

I get emails offering me larger boobs, a longer penis and the chance to try cheap Viagra. Nothing as vapid as Berg though.

I win lots of lotteries in Africa, lots of rich folks with lots of money what to borrow my bank account.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:25:27pm

re: #88 ConservatismNow!

But there wasn't a war to fight.

Fucking loser poser.

113 screaming_eagle  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:26:18pm

re: #111 jcm

I win lots of lotteries in Africa, lots of rich folks with lots of money what to borrow my bank account.

That's my retirement plan. As soon as I get my check from Nigeria.

114 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:26:19pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States of America

It took me a while to figure it out OLT but I got to thinking about how many times I said "you fucking moron" to idiots driving on the road.

Well I guess they all finally got together and voted to put this guy in charge.

115 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:26:23pm

re: #103 HelloDare

Socialist is putting it nicely.

I am trying to be nice in order not to get whacked with the ban-stick of doom. I really like this place. Since I am posting under the influence of almighty Bacchus, I have to be extra-cautious.

116 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:26:30pm

re: #95 Kenneth

As if Obama would have volunteered for service in Viet Nam!

Good one... ROFLMAO!

(I mean on our side)

Psssssst...he was 12 when it ended. Remember, this asshole is our generation's president.

*whimper*

117 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:26:37pm
118 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #110 Dr. Shalit

Orangutan -

True - AND - the JFK Book was about "Heroes of American History" - the TWO OBAMA BOOKS are "ABOUT ME, ME, ME, ME!"

-S-

Hitler - Mein Kampf - My struggle
Obama - Meine Albernheit - use your translator on that one.

119 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:27:43pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States of America

I've quit trying to wake myself up from this long, national nightmare. I have pinched myself black-and-blue.

120 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:27:46pm

re: #114 unclassifiable

It took me a while to figure it out OLT but I got to thinking about how many times I said "you fucking moron" to idiots driving on the road.

Well I guess they all finally got together and voted to put this guy in charge.

OMG, that is teh funny!

121 k80nc  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:28:30pm

There is so much to detest and protest about this presidency, why in the hell are these morons wasting time beating this dead horse?!? GAH! These folks make me so crazy because I always seem to run into them when I'm having a political discussion at school or work (usually with a bunch of damned hippies who think I'm an apostate for defying The One) and they chime in with this garbage and completely destroy any argument I may have. I spend more time trying to defend myself against nirthist-sympathy and racism than making a frigging about this ship of state being caught in a whirlpool.


I am oddly pleased, however, that spell check recognizes the word "frigging".

122 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:28:58pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Psssssst...he was 12 when it ended. Remember, this asshole is our generation's president.

*whimper*

That Bastard Nixon ended and denied The One a chance to serve gloriously on the field of battle. The vast right wing republican conspiracy did it to him.
I'll bet Rove told Nixon to do it too!

123 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:29:23pm

re: #114 unclassifiable

Actually, and it is too frequent to be a mere coincidence, the lousiest drivers on the roads are ones who also have Obama stickers on their vehicles.

124 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:29:59pm

re: #113 screaming_eagle

That's my retirement plan. As soon as I get my check from Nigeria.

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

125 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:30:49pm
Obama to Receive Brain Implant?

Barak Obama's addiction to the teleprompter is becoming a sore point with White House insiders. Not the addiction itself, but rather the fact that people are beginning to notice. In fact, Mr. Obama cannot give a simple four minute announcement without spoon-feeding from a teleprompter.

This unseemly dependency has prompted White House aides to pursue a less conspicuous way of feeding the president his lines. That is how the idea of a brain implant for Mr. Obama came up in conference recently.

Caught between a rock (Mr. Obama's inability to speak publicly without prompting) and a hard place (the fact that Mr. Obama's handicap is being noticed beyond deniability), the White House Office of Perpetual Campaigning is considering the technology option. The only question now seems to be, "how to do it?"


The picture is priceless.

126 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:30:54pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States of America


The truth is indeed stranger than fiction. It's why I prefer to read history and biography....but it can make the present a little irritating.

127 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:13pm

re: #124 MandyManners

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

Won't someone think of the goats?

/

128 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:16pm

re: #124 MandyManners

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

So .. to win the war in Afghanistan .. we have to make some ugly dirty warlord extremely horny? .. TOO EASY !

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:26pm

re: #124 MandyManners

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

Crows won't DARE fly over Kandahar.

130 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:38pm

re: #125 Racer X

Hey! That's Obama 9000 V1.

131 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:41pm

re: #118 Buster Bunny

Hitler - Mein Kampf - My struggle
Obama - Meine Albernheit - use your translator on that one.

buster bunny -

Foolishness or Stupidupididity? That is all.

-S-

132 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:31:53pm

Books by JFK: Why England Slept · Profiles in Courage · A Nation of Immigrants

Here is the dope on Profiles in Courage from The Straight Dope

Yes, there's a consensus about Profiles in Courage (1956), which established JFK's intellectual credentials and helped make him a credible presidential candidate. We'll get to that. Yes, we know who did most of the heavy lifting for the book — we'll get to that too. The principal controversy, apparently, has been what to call the curious process by which the book came to be. Even Garry Wills, a Kennedy critic, writes that JFK was the author of the book in the sense that he "authorized" it. Come now. Kennedy conceived the book and supervised its production, but did little of the research and writing. If you or I were discovered doing the same for a sophomore term paper in sociology, we'd get an F.

The idea for the book — a study of heroic U.S. senators — came to Kennedy in 1954, when he was a first-term senator himself. Initially he imagined it as a magazine article, but during a long convalescence after a couple back operations he decided to make it into a book. His chief assistant on the project was his speechwriter Ted Sorensen, often described as his alter ego. (Remember the bit about "Ask not what your country can do for you"? Sorensen was in on that one.) The recuperating Kennedy sent Sorensen a steady stream of notes and dictation, requested books, asked that memos be prepared, and so on. Sorensen worked virtually full-time on the project for six months, sometimes 12 hours a day. He coordinated the work and drafted many chapters. Others also made contributions, most importantly Georgetown University history professor Jules Davids.

The book was published on January 1, 1956, to lavish praise. It became a best seller and in 1957 was awarded the Pulitzer prize for biography. It established Kennedy, till then considered promising but lacking in gravitas, as one of the Democratic party's leading lights, setting the stage for his presidential nomination in 1960.

But doubts about the book's authorship surfaced early. In December 1957 syndicated columnist Drew Pearson, interviewed on TV by Mike Wallace, said, "Jack Kennedy is … the only man in history that I know who won a Pulitzer prize on a book which was ghostwritten for him." Outraged, Kennedy hired lawyer Clark Clifford, who collected the senator's handwritten notes and rounded up statements from people who said they'd seen him working on the book, then persuaded Wallace's bosses at ABC to read a retraction on the air.

Kennedy made no secret of Sorensen's involvement in Profiles, crediting him in the preface as "my research associate," and likewise acknowledged the contributions of Davids and others. But he insisted that he was the book's author and bristled even at teasing suggestions to the contrary. Sorensen and other Kennedy loyalists backed him up then and have done so since.

The most thorough analysis of who did what has come from historian Herbert Parmet in Jack: The Struggles of John F. Kennedy (1980). Parmet interviewed the participants and reviewed a crateful of papers in the Kennedy Library. He found that Kennedy contributed some notes, mostly on John Quincy Adams, but little that made it into the finished product. "There is no evidence of a Kennedy draft for the overwhelming bulk of the book," Parmet writes. While "the choices, message, and tone of the volume are unmistakably Kennedy's," the actual work was "left to committee labor." The "literary craftsmanship [was] clearly Sorensen's, and he gave the book both the drama and flow that made for readability." Parmet, like everyone else, shrinks from saying Sorensen was the book's ghostwriter, but clearly he was.

133 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:06pm

re: #122 jcm

Wow. That was perfect

134 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:12pm

re: #123 Natasha

Actually, and it is too frequent to be a mere coincidence, the lousiest drivers on the roads are ones who also have Obama stickers on their vehicles.

I want a bumper sticker....

O-Voter - I hope your fucking happy now.

Then when a pass a Prius with an O sticker I can cut them off..........

135 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:18pm

re: #115 Natasha

I am trying to be nice in order not to get whacked with the ban-stick of doom. I really like this place. Since I am posting under the influence of almighty Bacchus, I have to be extra-cautious.

w00t! BACCHNALIA!

136 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #119 MandyManners

I've quit trying to wake myself up from this long, national nightmare. I have pinched myself black-and-blue.


BHO only got halfway there. Maybe his book really should be "my struggle".

137 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:48pm

re: #131 Dr. Shalit

buster bunny -

Foolishness or Stupidupididity? That is all.

-S-

I would use the MY FOOLISHNESS .. but MY STUPIDITY will do quite nicely.

138 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:32:59pm

re: #124 MandyManners

Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban.

Ode a' l'sheep?

139 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan
Daah

140 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:33:37pm

re: #122 jcm

That Bastard Nixon ended and denied The One a chance to serve gloriously on the field of battle. The vast right wing republican conspiracy did it to him.
I'll bet Rove told Nixon to do it too!

Well, he is a Magnificent Bastard.

141 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #135 MandyManners

w00t! BACCHNALIA!

You know it! I have to wake up at an indecent hour of 6 am tomorrow. After a whole day of drinking coffee I need to unwind. Bacchus is my bestest friend. So, unwillingly, I may have turned this into a drinking thread.
Cheers!

142 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:34:01pm

re: #115 Natasha

When did you come to America?

143 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:34:11pm

A snip from Iowahawk's latest..

My reference, obviously, was to the self-styled luminaries of "populism" who hang like a millstone around the Republican neck -- the Sarah Palins, the Plumbing Joes, the Bobby Jindals, the Rush Limbaughs, the motley middlebrow state college pretenders to the conservative throne. A shared contempt for these arriviste oafs unites the Nassau summitteers perhaps even more than our shared fondness for a snifter of well-behaved armagnac VSOP. I have made no secret of my feelings about la Palin and her grim brood of ill-mannered snowbillies, as well that horrid toilet tinkerer from Toledo whose fifteen minutes have somehow refused to expire. The recent emergence of Bobby Jindal and Rush Limbaugh in the intraparty maelstrom yet affords fresh opportunities for conservative dismality.

ROFL!

144 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:34:35pm

re: #142 HelloDare

Long ago. 90s. With Mom and Dad.

145 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:34:51pm

re: #125 Racer X

The picture is priceless.

No anal probe?

146 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:35:08pm

re: #127 OldLineTexan

Won't someone think of the goats?

/

To heck with them.

147 capitalist piglet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #124 MandyManners

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."

x 500

148 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:35:52pm

re: #128 Buster Bunny

So .. to win the war in Afghanistan .. we have to make some ugly dirty warlord extremely horny? .. TOO EASY !

Maybe we can then get them on What Not To Wear.

149 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:35:54pm

re: #132 HelloDare

Hello Dare -

AND - To Date - Pres. Obama has not credited HIS Ghostwriter... WA(h)!

-S-

150 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:35:57pm

re: #147 capitalist piglet

"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."

x 500

RACIST PIGLET !

151 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:36:01pm

re: #144 Natasha

Long ago. 90s. With Mom and Dad.

Do you know any Russian immigrants who are liberal?

152 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:36:25pm

re: #129 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Crows won't DARE fly over Kandahar.

Crows?

Dude, that's just sick.

153 capitalist piglet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:36:37pm

re: #127 OldLineTexan

Won't someone think of the goats?

/

I am always late! LOL (See #147.)

154 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #145 MandyManners

No anal probe?

It got stuck in Nancy.

155 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:37:34pm

re: #136 Orangutan

BHO only got halfway there. Maybe his book really should be "my struggle".

More like, "My Identity Crisis".

156 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:37:53pm

re: #138 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Ode a' l'sheep?

I know. I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

157 capitalist piglet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:04pm

re: #150 Buster Bunny

RACIST PIGLET !

Huh? Wha...? [Piglet looks around innocently.]

158 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:07pm

re: #154 Racer X

It got stuck in Nancy.

Geeze, that bitch is ugly!

159 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:08pm

Oh, Jeez. I hafta apologize for the burned retina's on that one.

Sorry.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:33pm

re: #141 Natasha

You know it! I have to wake up at an indecent hour of 6 am tomorrow. After a whole day of drinking coffee I need to unwind. Bacchus is my bestest friend. So, unwillingly, I may have turned this into a drinking thread.
Cheers!

I'd be going sideways!

161 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:45pm

re: #151 HelloDare

Hello Dare -

Depends on when they GOT HERE. From 1900 - 1930 - and their descendants - YES. From 1970 to Present - HELL NO!

-S-

162 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:52pm

re: #157 capitalist piglet

Huh? Wha...? [Piglet looks around innocently.]

Anti-goat literature.

163 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #2 saberry0530

When a bitch slap is really a bitch slap!

Boy, I say, boy, I invented the bitch slap.

Just getting in, and OT, I live about a mile from the Abubakar mosque. Didn't read through the thread, but wondering if there was any action items that need taken care of. Just checking.

164 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:39:22pm

re: #151 HelloDare

I cannot say I personally do. I heard of such creatures, but have not met them personally. And it may be for the best. It would have turned very very ugly.

165 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:39:33pm

re: #146 MandyManners

To heck with them.

Aww, can't you see them, little starving things, looking at you with big brown goaty eyes, begging you to STOP giving the Taliban lead for their pencils?

"Maaaandy ... please ... they're baaaaad."

/

166 HDrepub  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:39:35pm

re: #124 MandyManners

My retirement plan is to sell Viagra laced with aphrodisiacs to the Taliban. They'll be busy making love and not war.

Convince them that boobs and beer are much better than goats and bombs

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:40:05pm

Hey Honcos! It was actually a beautiful day in The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today!

I missed you-all yesterday. Did you miss me?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

168 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:40:07pm

re: #147 capitalist piglet

"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."
"I will not say anything about goats."

x 500

I wanna' see her train.

169 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:40:52pm

Obama Hood

Take from the rich, give to the poor.

What's not to like?

170 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:40:58pm

re: #166 HDrepub

Convince them that boobs and beer are much better than goats and bombs

Its Afghanistan .. what do you enjoy after a cold night out on the town with the boys .. coming home to a woman in a bag? Or a goat that is allowed to fight back?

171 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:01pm

re: #154 Racer X

It got stuck in Nancy.

*WHACK*

172 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #161 Dr. Shalit

Hello Dare -

Depends on when they GOT HERE. From 1900 - 1930 - and their descendants - YES. From 1970 to Present - HELL NO!

-S-

Thanks. That's what I expected, except for the older ones.

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:17pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Crows?

Dude, that's just sick.

Oh yeah?

174 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:47pm

(OT T-minus 40 minutes. LOX has been loaded. Delta II-Kepler.)

175 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:53pm

re: #171 MandyManners

*WHACK*

Sorry!

I earned that one.

176 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:41:58pm

Gotta' get some things taken care of. bbiaw

177 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #174 Gus 802

(OT T-minus 40 minutes. LOX has been loaded. Delta II-Kepler.)

NASA TV

178 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:42:30pm

re: #169 Racer X

Obama Hood

Take from the rich, give to the poor.

What's not to like?

Let's take that bow and shove it up his ass.

179 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:42:33pm

re: #171 MandyManners

*WHACK*

Never again. I just lost my lunch over that picture.

180 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:43:21pm

re: #174 Gus 802

(OT T-minus 40 minutes. LOX has been loaded. Delta II-Kepler.)

What kind of bagel to go with that LOX?
///

181 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #177 Racer X

Ya mon. Got it. Using Realplayer.

182 capitalist piglet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:43:48pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I wanna' see her train.

ROTFLMAO

183 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:43:53pm

re: #180 jcm

What kind of bagel to go with that LOX?
///

Onion

184 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:44:06pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Sweet!

I'm as excited as a frat boy at a keg party.....

185 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #180 jcm

What kind of bagel to go with that LOX?
///

Sesame, my dad likes sesame bagels.

186 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:44:50pm

re: #184 WhiteRasta

Sweet!

I'm as excited as a frat boy at a keg party.....

Cross your fingers -- after what happened last week.

187 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:45:28pm

re: #180 jcm

What kind of bagel to go with that LOX?
///

These?

188 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:45:47pm

Did someone say "keg party"? Where? I am running out of beer over here!

189 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:45:55pm

ttp[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Countdown......

190 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:47:24pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Onion

Gus802 -

An Everything Bagel along with scrambled eggs, "freedom fries," and onions. Makes a breakfast PLUS lunch. Good coffee helps too.

-S-

191 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:48:03pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Yep. Just wanted to make sure everyone got it.

I got $5 says Charles puts up a new thread on it.

192 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:48:21pm

re: #187 OldLineTexan

These?

OLT -

The one in the mddle looks like an "Everything."

-S-

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:49:10pm

I just did one of those self-tests and didn't get anything.
Could there be something wrong with my rocket?
/

194 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:49:16pm

re: #192 Dr. Shalit

OLT -

The one in the mddle looks like an "Everything."

-S-

Aye, but they're space bagels. See? Is very funny, no?

/

195 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:49:40pm

You guys see this. I spun it off but it didn't get much notice.

Sleepwalking Dog.

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:49:42pm

re: #191 Racer X

Yep. Just wanted to make sure everyone got it.

I got $5 says Charles puts up a new thread on it.

No way I'd bet against that.

197 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:50:40pm

That is one big-ass rocket.....

198 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #191 Racer X

Perhaps so.

I posted three direct media player links in the Japanese/Moonshot thread:

re: #180 Gus 802

NASA Television - Delta II/KSC Kepler Launch

Real Player

Windows Media Player

Quicktime

199 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:51:01pm

re: #194 OldLineTexan

Aye, but they're space bagels. See? Is very funny, no?

/

OLT -

Muy Humoroso!

-S-

200 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:51:13pm

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just did one of those self-tests and didn't get anything.
Could there be something wrong with my rocket?
/

Wrong.... what could possibly be wrong....

201 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:51:14pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Nice!

T-minus 30 minutes.

202 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:51:43pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I wanna' see her train.

Problem was, the wedding ceremony lasted 6 hours. She kept stopping to eat the rice.

203 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:51:50pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I wanna' see her train.

That must be a sleeveless dress.

/

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:52:26pm

re: #195 HelloDare

You guys see this. I spun it off but it didn't get much notice.

Sleepwalking Dog.


[Video]

OMG! LOL

205 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:52:42pm

re: #197 WhiteRasta

That is one big-ass rocket.....

Delta II

206 Parker in US  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:52:52pm

OT: NEW YORK (AP) - Veteran doctor John Muney says his flat-fee, $79-a-month medical practice is a formula for making health care affordable and patient-friendly. But state regulators see it as self-styled insurance and have told him to shut it down.

Don't he know that you must get your health care from the Government! This seems to me to be a great model to fix healthcare.

207 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #202 HelloDare

Problem was, the wedding ceremony lasted 6 hours. She kept stopping to eat the rice.

Hello Dare -

And Clank the Cans As Well?

-S-

208 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:53:04pm

re: #200 jcm

HOLY COW!

209 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:53:08pm

re: #200 jcm

HA!

Steel umbrellas! Get yer steel umbrellas hyar! Steel umbrellas!

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:54:30pm

re: #206 Parker in US

OT: NEW YORK (AP) - Veteran doctor John Muney says his flat-fee, $79-a-month medical practice is a formula for making health care affordable and patient-friendly. But state regulators see it as self-styled insurance and have told him to shut it down.

Don't he know that you must get your health care from the Government! This seems to me to be a great model to fix healthcare.

I sort-of do the same thing with my doc. I go once a year for a full physical --he bills the insurance and the rest of the year, we just talk on the phone, if I have sinus problems that need antibiotics (which are frequent and he knows I know when I have a sinus infection) he phones in a script.

211 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:54:32pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Delta II

I don't see a "add to shopping basket" button.........

212 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #177 Racer X

NASA TV

If the Kepler is going on a planet-finding mission shouldn't an alarm be going off right now? If it can't find Earth while still on it I can hardly see what good it will do in space.

///

213 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:55:15pm
214 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #211 jcm

I don't see a "add to shopping basket" button.........

Yeah, don't see one. Might have to get one on the "earmark" plan. ;)

//

215 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #205 Gus 802

Still, not as big-ass as the Saturn V.

That was the biggest, baddest rocket ever.

216 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:56:13pm

re: #198 Gus 802

It appears to be on the NASA channel, too.

Okay, someone's probably already covered that.

217 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:56:46pm

re: #200 jcm

When I was a kid, my friends and I would take the tips off of arrows and shoot them straight up till they disappeared. It was a lot fun. Nobody ever got hit. Every now and then you'd lose complete sight of the arrow.

218 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:56:55pm

re: #206 Parker in US

OT: NEW YORK (AP) - Veteran doctor John Muney says his flat-fee, $79-a-month medical practice is a formula for making health care affordable and patient-friendly. But state regulators see it as self-styled insurance and have told him to shut it down.

Don't he know that you must get your health care from the Government! This seems to me to be a great model to fix healthcare.

re: #210 ggt

I sort-of do the same thing with my doc. I go once a year for a full physical --he bills the insurance and the rest of the year, we just talk on the phone, if I have sinus problems that need antibiotics (which are frequent and he knows I know when I have a sinus infection) he phones in a script.

I do the same with with my doc. Cash for service, if it's routine stuff a quick phone call.

Fucking state can't handle the competition....

219 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:57:22pm

re: #215 WhiteRasta

Still, not as big-ass as the Saturn V.

That was the biggest, baddest rocket ever.

Sure was.

220 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:57:24pm

re: #211 jcm

Hey Iran and N. Korea.

We launch these every few weeks or so JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

Get a friggin clue morons.

221 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:57:43pm

re: #217 HelloDare

All fun and games, till someone puts their eye out!

222 swamprat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #217 HelloDare

When I was a kid, my friends and I would take the tips off of arrows and shoot them straight up till they disappeared. It was a lot fun. Nobody ever got hit. Every now and then you'd lose complete sight of the arrow.

fixed

/sarc

223 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:58:18pm

re: #204 ggt

OMG! LOL

Can't understand why the post didn't get more attention. I think it's hilarious. Dog didn't seem injured. Just really confused.

224 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:58:22pm

re: #215 WhiteRasta

Still, not as big-ass as the Saturn V.

That was the biggest, baddest rocket ever.

Rasta -

And interestingly enough - from what I understand - the plans no longer exist.
IOW - the Saturn V would have to be reverse engineered to a great degree -
WHY?

-S-

225 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:58:32pm

How soon before launch?

226 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:59:01pm

re: #217 HelloDare

When I was a kid, my friends and I would take the tips off of arrows and shoot them straight up till they disappeared. It was a lot fun. Nobody ever got hit. Every now and then you'd lose complete sight of the arrow.

I built the Estes Saturn V the one I had had a cluster of four D engines. Two on one side failed, a beautiful arc right into a garden next to the school.

227 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:59:18pm

re: #220 unclassifiable

They have the clue.

BHO is just a babe in the woods.....GWB, they feared...

228 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 6:59:20pm

re: #224 Dr. Shalit

Alien teknolujy - we haz it.

229 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:01pm

re: #215 WhiteRasta

Still, not as big-ass as the Saturn V.

That was the biggest, baddest rocket ever.

Saturn V....

230 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:02pm

re: #225 Noam Sayin'

Lost track here. About 20 minutes.

231 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:04pm

re: #221 WhiteRasta

All fun and games, till someone puts their eye out!

Yeah, kids do stupid things. I wasn't that young. Seventh grade I think.

232 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #230 Gus 802

So I got time for a smoke?

233 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:45pm

re: #232 Noam Sayin'

I think so.

234 zack  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:00:53pm

Putting the celebrated cert on public display in a transparent sealed frame (similar to other famous documents) has somehow been ruled out.

Most unfortunate.

235 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #224 Dr. Shalit

Rasta -

And interestingly enough - from what I understand - the plans no longer exist.
IOW - the Saturn V would have to be reverse engineered to a great degree -
WHY?

-S-

The cost of maintaining the blueprints in storage was prohibitive.

The Feds did not/could not fund it, and forced the contractor to dispose of them and close the warehouse.

This was told to me by a retired NASA section head, the man who put the drag chute on the shuttle, designed the parachutes in the Apollo capsule, etc.

236 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:01:50pm

re: #229 jcm

Big, bad-ass Americans......

237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:02:33pm
238 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:02:42pm

re: #228 Noam Sayin'

Alien teknolujy - we haz it.

Noam -

NOD ENUFF!

-S-

239 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:03:34pm

re: #235 OldLineTexan

Isn't that amazing. I mean there was one of the greatest achievements ever accomplished by mankind and they went ahead and destroyed the blueprints.

240 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:04:00pm

Ok, here we go......[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

241 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:04:09pm

I didn't like the way she said ... "We're not locking up."

242 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:04:29pm

"Creationists believe everything Genesis ever said is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer."

243 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:04:55pm

re: #220 unclassifiable

Hey Iran and N. Korea.

We launch these every few weeks or so JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

Get a friggin clue morons.

Our damn sea launched ICBMs the Trident D-5s are so friggin accurate they considered put CONVENTIONAL warheads on them for deep penetration bunker busters.

Think about that morons, our subs can launch form anywhere in the world and put it ON TOP OF YOUR GODDAMN BUNKER.

244 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:04:57pm

15 minutes.

245 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:05:01pm

heh ... whatever it was was "acceptable".

246 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:05:06pm

re: #237 Slumbering Behemoth

Stupidest. Game. Ever.

1. Russian Roulette.

2. Lawn Darts.

247 Parker in US  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:05:38pm

re: #210 ggt

I sort-of do the same thing with my doc. I go once a year for a full physical --he bills the insurance and the rest of the year, we just talk on the phone, if I have sinus problems that need antibiotics (which are frequent and he knows I know when I have a sinus infection) he phones in a script.

I did that for about 2 years after my kid started daycare I had a sinus infection for 2 years. I had to get my nose redone to fix it.

248 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:05:50pm

20 minute hold.

249 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:06:10pm

T minus 15 minutes and holding......

250 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:06:14pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Isn't that amazing. I mean there was one of the greatest achievements ever accomplished by mankind and they went ahead and destroyed the blueprints.

Here's something I actually went and did back in 1986 ... get a copy of the NASA budget proposals from 1969 - 1973 ... look at the disassembly of the US space program, planned right at its peak. Kennedy was dead, and the money was looking good to the politicians.

251 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:06:31pm

back in a few

252 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:06:38pm

re: #246 HelloDare

Various "William Tell" re-enactments.

253 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:07:54pm

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Yeah, right during the peak of Apollo. I remember when the announced that Apollo would be cut and that 17 would be the last it was a real let down.

254 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:07:59pm

re: #226 jcm

I built the Estes Saturn V the one I had had a cluster of four D engines. Two on one side failed, a beautiful arc right into a garden next to the school.

I had an Aerobee 300

/I'm tellin' ya, them grasshopper astronauts just love to fly!

255 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:08:35pm

re: #236 WhiteRasta

Big, bad-ass Americans......

Can you believe we were launching those things 40 years ago?

256 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:08:45pm

re: #235 OldLineTexan

The cost of maintaining the blueprints in storage was prohibitive.

The Feds did not/could not fund it, and forced the contractor to dispose of them and close the warehouse.

This was told to me by a retired NASA section head, the man who put the drag chute on the shuttle, designed the parachutes in the Apollo capsule, etc.

OLT -

Microfiche existed in the 1970's - WAY PRE-PC+Scanner. The Plans were NOT Fiched - WHY is the question - notwithstanding my appreciation of your answer. I find it HARD to believe that the US Government could not fund it - that they WOULD NOT is clear. The question WHY? remains with all due respect, of which you deserve much.

-S-

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:08:55pm

re: #223 HelloDare

Can't understand why the post didn't get more attention. I think it's hilarious. Dog didn't seem injured. Just really confused.

Sometimes, its just a matter of timing. I'm bad at link self-promotion, but if it's worthy, I try to post it in a thread. Sometimes, people just aren't looking in the links, or perhaps I've not "sold" it well enough in the link.

258 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:10:14pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Listening to that. Don't understand a squat. I'll be going out to look with the binoculars at launch. It's a nice clear night. I wish I had my 5 inch set up.

I've seen a couple of shuttle launches with that. Can see the boosters come off and fall away, and the sky lights up beautifully.

This is from the West Coast of Florida too.

259 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:11:13pm

re: #242 OldLineTexan

"Creationists believe everything Genesis ever said is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer."

Sorry, downding. I happen to think he's a great drummer.

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:12:19pm

I also promote links by others I think are worthy.

This one by azcon and well worth an up-ding or two.

261 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Here's something I actually went and did back in 1986 ... get a copy of the NASA budget proposals from 1969 - 1973 ... look at the disassembly of the US space program, planned right at its peak. Kennedy was dead, and the money was looking good to the politicians.

OLT -

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING! - I smell a winner here.

-S-

262 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:12:38pm

re: #255 jcm

Can you believe we were launching those things 40 years ago?

With 36KB onboard memory!

263 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:13:02pm

re: #257 ggt

Sometimes, its just a matter of timing. I'm bad at link self-promotion, but if it's worthy, I try to post it in a thread. Sometimes, people just aren't looking in the links, or perhaps I've not "sold" it well enough in the link.

I've asked people to upding a couple of important political threads I've posted in the middle of the night hoping they'll make it onto TOP LINKS OVERALL by morning. I'm just surprised at this one.

Everybody I've emailed it to thinks it's a hoot.

I've also noticed that sometime a Spinoff will zoom to, say, 14 updings in the first couple hours then just sit there for the next 22. Weird.

264 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:13:19pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

I saw that with my naked eyes...

265 unclassifiable  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:13:21pm

Kepler is important because there is a lot of desire in the Obama administration to find earthlike planets whose inhabitants can be taxed to pay off the deficit.

266 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:13:50pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

Would be nice to see a launch live.

267 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:13:56pm

re: #23 jaunte

"...the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway to show cause why he has not violated Rules 11 (b) (1) and 11 (b) (2) of the Federal rules of civil Procedure, and why he should not be required to pay reasonable attorneys fees and other expenses to counsel for the defendants."


[Link: www.law.cornell.edu...]

But you left off the best part.

Because it appears that the complaint in this case may have been presented for an improper purpose such as to harass; and that the interpleader claims and other legal contentions of plaintiff are not warranted by existing law or by non-frivolous arguments for extending, modifying or reversing existing law or for establishing new law, the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway [... etc.]

Yep.

268 swamprat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:14:03pm

re: #232 Noam Sayin'

So I got time for a smoke?

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:14:34pm

C'mon, light that candle. I'm cooking tonight and I don't want to miss it.

270 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:14:44pm

re: #262 Gus 802

With 36KB onboard memory!

And my iPod has 80 gigs memory; fits in my pocket.

271 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:14:58pm

re: #262 Gus 802

My watch has more computing power than the guys had on Apollo 11...

272 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:15:03pm

Nirthers are so November 3rd.

But I have to point out that Obama's lack of candor, not telling or showing people what you know they would like to know or see, is considered an ethical violation. The appearance of impropriety is an impropriety.

273 Bobblehead  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:15:06pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Would be nice to see a launch live.

Oh yes, I'd love to see a space shuttle launch at night!

274 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:15:29pm

re: #265 unclassifiable

Kepler is important because there is a lot of desire in the Obama administration to find earthlike planets whose inhabitants can be taxed to pay off the deficit.

Actually I think once he his President of the Earth he wants to expand to President of the Universe.

275 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:15:29pm

Goodnight people.

276 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:16:40pm

re: #275 HelloDare

No way! Stay until the launch of Keplar.....

277 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:16:51pm

re: #270 Noam Sayin'

And my iPod has 80 gigs memory; fits in my pocket.

Right. Of course they had telemetry, relays, other computers and people around the globe.

278 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:17:21pm

re: #262 Gus 802

With 36KB onboard memory!

I read a history of the early Russian and American space probes. Amazing stuff. The efficiency and elegance of the code written. With just a few words of code, aim a camera, take pictures, store them. Then turn the space craft, and transmit the pictures back. Or the Russian Venus landing probe, direct approach, slam into the atmosphere, decelerate at 800g and land and function.

279 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:17:23pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, downding. I happen to think he's a great drummer.

Fantastic drumming at 3:30 on...

The Musical Box

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:17:39pm

re: #263 HelloDare

I've asked people to upding a couple of important political threads I've posted in the middle of the night hoping they'll make it onto TOP LINKS OVERALL by morning. I'm just surprised at this one.

Everybody I've emailed it to thinks it's a hoot.

I've also noticed that sometime a Spinoff will zoom to, say, 14 updings in the first couple hours then just sit there for the next 22. Weird.

When you post it in a thread, post the URL from the comments page. Meaning: Go to your link and hit the comment #. That will take you to a page in which comments are left. Use THAT URL when posting in a thread. That way, people are already there to up or down ding you after reviewing your link.

281 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:18:20pm

re: #262 Gus 802

With 36KB onboard memory!

Gus -

"Bet'cha" both of our 'putes have more power than both GM or Ford when the "small - blocks" were designed - '54/'61 respectively. I'm at 3 Gb plus up to 2 Gb in Power Boost/"Afterburner" mode, some of which can't be used due to having a 32 bit OS

-S-

282 Truck Monkey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #273 Bobblehead

Oh yes, I'd love to see a space shuttle launch at night!

I have. Next to the birth of my children it is the most amazing thing I have seen in my life. Grandstand bleachers on NASA property at the cape. The good people at Dodgertown in Vero Beach were nice enough to get our group tickets. The shockwaves went right through you and the visual cannot be described in mere words.

283 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:19:27pm

re: #278 jcm

That was it to. Simple, compact and very efficient. Another addition was some really top notch astronauts, ground crews, scientists, and a willingness to face the dangers of manned space exploration.

284 Bobblehead  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:19:48pm

re: #282 Truck Monkey

I have. Next to the birth of my children it is the most amazing thing I have seen in my life. Grandstand bleachers on NASA property at the cape. The good people at Dodgertown in Vero Beach were nice enough to get our group tickets. The shockwaves went right through you and the visual cannot be described in mere words.

I'm jealous.

285 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:20:14pm

re: #281 Dr. Shalit

Yeah. Even my old computer has 3GB RAM and 500 GB of storage.

286 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #282 Truck Monkey

I have. Next to the birth of my children it is the most amazing thing I have seen in my life. Grandstand bleachers on NASA property at the cape. The good people at Dodgertown in Vero Beach were nice enough to get our group tickets. The shockwaves went right through you and the visual cannot be described in mere words.

"Truck" -

Having only seen it on TV, with obviously "Harmonically Distorted" Sound, I can believe it.

-S-

287 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:21:56pm

The Kepler launch will be in thirty minutes.

288 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:23:00pm

re: #282 Truck Monkey

I was in Tampa and got up in the middle of the night to watch a shuttle launch.

Saw the SRB's separate and saw it roll over and follow the curve of the earth.

289 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #277 Gus 802

Right. Of course they had telemetry, relays, other computers and people around the globe.

It's still simply mind-boggling what they accomplished back then, with what was considered state-of-the-art technology.

*hoists a Schell Deer Brand Original to 60s NASA*

290 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:23:50pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Yeah. Even my old computer has 3GB RAM and 500 GB of storage.

Gus802 -

What is your NEW ONE like?

-S-

291 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:23:56pm

re: #279 Bloodnok

Fantastic drumming at 3:30 on...

The Musical Box


Is that Peter Gabriel singing?

292 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:23:57pm

Saw a night Delta II launch from CoCo Beach once. Pretty nice.

293 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:25:04pm

re: #289 Noam Sayin'

The days when men were men........

294 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:25:17pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Is that Peter Gabriel singing?

/yep

295 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #289 Noam Sayin'

With slide rulers, computers, tape, pencils, drafting tables, paper, technical pens, templates, etc.

296 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:25:42pm

T minus 15 minutes......

297 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:25:47pm

Hold released.....
T-15

Another built in 10 minute hold at T-4

298 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:26:11pm

T-minus 15 minutes and counting.

There will be a ten minute scheduled hold at T-minus 4 minutes.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:26:20pm

re: #284 Bobblehead

I'm jealous.

me too!

300 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:26:20pm

T minus 15 minutes and counting (down).....

301 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:26:40pm

re: #295 Gus 802

Excuse me ... "slide rulers" ?

heh

302 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:26:42pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Is that Peter Gabriel singing?

Why yes it is. Gabriel era Genesis is one of the best bands that a lot of people don't know about. Gabriel was brilliant as a frontman.

Dancing With The Moonlight Knight

303 Wishing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:27:26pm

re: #300 WhiteRasta

T minus 15 minutes and counting (down).....

Can we watch online?

304 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:27:36pm

re: #294 Killian Bundy

/yep

Great voice. Do you think he was better as part of Genesis or as a solo artist?

305 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Excuse me ... "slide rulers" ?

heh

Youngun's these days.......

306 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:27:53pm

A Delta night launch sure beats the hell out of the Gaza roostercam.

307 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:03pm

re: #303 Wishing

Can we watch online?

NASA TV

308 Truck Monkey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:03pm

re: #286 Dr. Shalit

"Truck" -

Having only seen it on TV, with obviously "Harmonically Distorted" Sound, I can believe it.

-S-

You truly cannot describe the sound. The feeling of having the air knocked out of my chest stuck with me along with the amazing light that the rockets produced. I would encourage everyone to try to get close as possible to a night launch before the whole thing is scrapped. Even in Cocoa or Daytona Beaches I am sure you would get at least some of the sensation of being up close.

309 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:09pm

re: #293 WhiteRasta

The days when men were men........

Even the geeks.

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #303 Wishing

Can we watch online?

NASA TV

311 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:20pm

re: #303 Wishing

Yes, check:

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

312 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:32pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Que? Rules... rulers.

313 Wishing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:34pm

re: #307 jcm

NASA TV

ty ty!

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:41pm

re: #305 jcm

Youngun's these days.......

*rolls eyes*
*nods*

315 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:52pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Great voice. Do you think he was better as part of Genesis or as a solo artist?

Solo work was much better, not to knock Genesis.

316 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:55pm
317 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:28:59pm

re: #256 Dr. Shalit

OLT -

Microfiche existed in the 1970's - WAY PRE-PC+Scanner. The Plans were NOT Fiched - WHY is the question - notwithstanding my appreciation of your answer. I find it HARD to believe that the US Government could not fund it - that they WOULD NOT is clear. The question WHY? remains with all due respect, of which you deserve much.

-S-

You can see the space program being pressured to shrink as early as 1969. You see the roots of the Shuttle program with extravagant launch schedules, claims of cost savings, etc. It's extremely instructive.

318 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:04pm

re: #302 Bloodnok

Why yes it is. Gabriel era Genesis is one of the best bands that a lot of people don't know about. Gabriel was brilliant as a frontman.

Dancing With The Moonlight Knight


[Video]

whatever it is, it aint rock and roll....cool headgear tho

319 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:11pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Que? Rules... rulers.

"Slide rule"

320 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #289 Noam Sayin'

It's still simply mind-boggling what they accomplished back then, with what was considered state-of-the-art technology.

*hoists a Schell Deer Brand Original to 60s NASA*

Noam -

The 1960's were STILL the age of CAN DO! America. We are now in the age of the I SUE! America. Big Difference.

-S-

321 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:26pm

T minus 11 minutes.....

322 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:26pm

re: #305 jcm

Youngun's these days.......

Didn't they used to allow 2nd LT's to play with those?


/s

323 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Que? Rules... rulers.

Plural...
Slide rules.....

324 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #306 Dar ul Harb

A Delta night launch sure beats the hell out of the Gaza roostercam.

I do miss the rooster.

325 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:29:56pm

re: #319 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whatever. The plural of slide rule is slide rules. You want a medal?

326 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:30:07pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, downding. I happen to think he's a great drummer.

S'OK, was a joke passing by my ears from a British comedian on Comedy Central at that moment. He' still on, actually.

327 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:30:25pm

re: #324 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I do miss the rooster.

He was tasty.
- Sharm

328 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:30:38pm

re: #324 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I do miss the rooster.

he will be back...unfinished business

329 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:30:44pm

re: #324 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I do miss the rooster.

He was delicious.

330 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:30:51pm

re: #243 jcm We can do pinpoint strikes. We don't need to use nukes.

Unless we get

really

pissed off.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Whatever. The plural of slide rule is slide rules. You want a medal?

*grin*
I was just teasing.

332 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:15pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Would be nice to see a launch live.

I went over once some years ago for that, and it was canceled. My wife grew up across from the Cape. She said the beds would walk across the room when the Saturns launched.

333 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:17pm

Load relief checksum 16F7

334 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:23pm

re: #324 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I love Cock Soup....[Link: www.buygracefoods.com...]

335 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:29pm

re: #328 albusteve

he will be back...unfinished business

narf ...

Rooster Two - Egg-stinction Day

336 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:39pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Great voice. Do you think he was better as part of Genesis or as a solo artist?

I can't stand his solo stuff. His Genesis output was so much heavier and edgier. He was so original with Genesis (his myriad of haircuts, costume changes and stories between songs). Plus he was just plain weird.

337 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:31:49pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OK. ;)

338 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:32:00pm

re: #317 OldLineTexan

You can see the space program being pressured to shrink as early as 1969. You see the roots of the Shuttle program with extravagant launch schedules, claims of cost savings, etc. It's extremely instructive.

"OLT" -

The Space Shuttle program was the substitution of a MACK Truck for a Corvette. Both get you from point A to point B - very differently.

-S-

339 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:32:00pm

re: #315 Noam Sayin'

Solo work was much better, not to knock Genesis.

He did produce some classics solo. He's my favorite:

340 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:32:52pm

re: #328 albusteve

he will be back...unfinished business

Hamas Delenda Est.

341 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:33:40pm

re: #334 WhiteRasta

I love Cock Soup....[Link: www.buygracefoods.com...]

WARNING - IF YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR, OR YOUR NAME IS MS. GRUNDY, DO NOT CLICK THIS YOUTUBE LINK

You can get that here.

342 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:37pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

LOL

343 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:48pm

Topping off the LOX tank...

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:54pm

"Prop" ?
WTF are they using for propulsion on that bird?

345 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:57pm

re: #330 Jim in Virginia

We can do pinpoint strikes. We don't need to use nukes.

Unless we get

pissed off.

So pin point we've been throwing rocks in Iraq.

Okay, so a couple hundred pounds of concrete with a GPS guidance or laser guidance package installed dropped from 30,000 feet.

346 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:58pm

Oh my. Greta has on Paul Begala's brother, and he's a conservative!

Plus, he's not nearly as ugly as The Forehead.

347 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:34:59pm

T minus 6 minutes......

348 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:08pm

So, all snickering aside...who here has seen his birth cert.?
Who here would be willing to ,say, bet his life on chairman zero being a real citizen?
If you use common sense and logic why on earth would anyone in the zero's position spend time and money on lawyers rather that just show the birth certificate?
And last time I checked being a natural born citizen is a qualification for the job he holds.
If I am going to follow the "logic" here that it is better to snicker at people who doubt he is a citizen .....than I guess I should just fore go all those drug tests and questionnaires for people that I hire....right?
What next? Take felons at their word? Trust sex offenders to be honest?
Because, you know, it's not like barry has lied about anything before or since, right?
Oh, wait.....wrong.......

349 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:14pm

Weather is GO

350 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:20pm

re: #320 Dr. Shalit

Noam -

The 1960's were STILL the age of CAN DO! America. We are now in the age of the I SUE! America. Big Difference.

-S-

Sadly, you are too right. I wish we could inspire Americans to that kind of spirit again - we'd tell Congress to f*ck off in a heartbeat with all their stimulus bullshit, then roll up our sleeves and figure a way out of our current economic mess.

351 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:36pm

Weather is a go.....

352 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:50pm

re: #332 Naso Tang

That would be a site to see. Would make a great movie scene. Flash back to 1969 in someone's bedroom and seeing the bed "walk across the floor" with the rumbling of the Saturn V engines in the background.

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:51pm

10 minute hold coming up

354 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:35:58pm

re: #334 WhiteRasta

I love Cock Soup....[Link: www.buygracefoods.com...]

And Spotted Dick for desert.

355 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:36:04pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Great voice. Do you think he was better as part of Genesis or as a solo artist?

/The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is the best album ever recorded

356 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:36:32pm

T minus 4.....

357 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:36:37pm

T-minus four minutes and holding.

Count starts again in ten minutes.

358 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:36:44pm

10 minute hold.

359 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:21pm

They should really consider a strategy for delivering these kinds of things in surround sound. Hell, if my local TV stations could do it - certainly NASA could do it.

360 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:24pm

And now for a few messages from our sponsors ....

361 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:28pm

re: #350 Noam Sayin'

Sadly, you are too right. I wish we could inspire Americans to that kind of spirit again - we'd tell Congress to f*ck off in a heartbeat with all their stimulus bullshit, then roll up our sleeves and figure a way out of our current economic mess.

I'm all for that. Trouble is getting congress out of the way...
That could be... difficult.

362 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:42pm

re: #348 christmasghost

A certified copy was released. The State of Hawaii verified they have the original document in their vault that any and all certified copies would reflect.

It's not logic- it's delusion to think he's not a citizen.

363 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #317 OldLineTexan

You can see the space program being pressured to shrink as early as 1969. You see the roots of the Shuttle program with extravagant launch schedules, claims of cost savings, etc. It's extremely instructive.

Back then, was there a lot more "if man was meant to fly, he'd have wings" type of thinking? People were freaking out (literally) about social issues and Vietnam.

It was the beginning of the end of "Where no man has gone before" type thinking and the continuance of "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony" thinking.

364 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:46pm

re: #350 Noam Sayin'

Sadly, you are too right. I wish we could inspire Americans to that kind of spirit again - we'd tell Congress to f*ck off in a heartbeat with all their stimulus bullshit, then roll up our sleeves and figure a way out of our current economic mess.

Noam -

Repeat after me - 2010 IS NEXT YEAR! might make you feel better.

-S-

365 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:37:55pm

10:47:57 PM ET is scheduled launch time

366 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:38:14pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

/The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is the best album ever recorded

that's certainly profound...

367 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:38:16pm

re: #354 jcm

Ok, now let's pay attention to the launch......

T minus 4 and holding......

368 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:39:00pm

Another good one.

369 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:39:08pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

Better than "Blood on the Tracks?"

370 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:39:31pm

re: #367 WhiteRasta

Ok, now let's pay attention to the launch......

T minus 4 and holding......

We got to have some entertainment for a launch hold on the FNDT!

371 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:39:49pm

re: #369 Noam Sayin'

Better than "Blood on the Tracks?"

one hell of a record....maybe the BEST EVER!

372 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:04pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

WARNING - IF YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR, OR YOUR NAME IS MS. GRUNDY, DO NOT CLICK THIS YOUTUBE LINK

You can get that here.


What does it taste like?

373 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:25pm

Check out this - Starry Night - to see what's up there right now in your area.

374 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:43pm

Sharmuta...wasn't that just a cert of live birth? Which means nothing since Hawaii will do that for people born in other countries.
And if that is the case, then why is the zero spending time and money on lawyers to keep it from being shown?

375 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:46pm

re: #369 Noam Sayin'

I misplaced my CD of that. Love that album.

376 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:40:59pm

OK, here we go.....

377 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:02pm

re: #364 Dr. Shalit

Noam -

Repeat after me - 2010 IS NEXT YEAR! might make you feel better.

-S-

I'm investing in pitchforks and torches. I'm open to a merger with anyone investing in tar and feathers.

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:03pm

Goody!
I've got a chance on my five bucks on #390!

379 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:20pm

re: #348 christmasghost

So, all snickering aside...who here has seen his birth cert.?

I never saw Ronald Reagan's birth certificate either. It doesn't mean that either man was not eligible to be President.

380 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:21pm

re: #254 Killian Bundy

I had an Aerobee 300

/I'm tellin' ya, them grasshopper astronauts just love to fly!


It's amazing what those engines could do with frogs. Not for frogs. With frogs.

381 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:24pm

re: #371 albusteve

It's my absolute favorite.

382 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:24pm

CNN is carrying it on the web.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

383 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:40pm

re: #378 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goody!
I've got a chance on my five bucks on #390!

LOL!

384 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:47pm

re: #368 jamgarr

Another good one.


From the same concert as my post. He really put on a show for the ages at that one, didn't he?

385 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:41:49pm

re: #370 jcm

NSFW... lol

386 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #374 christmasghost

Here come the Nirthers!

387 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:22pm

re: #369 Noam Sayin'

Better than "Blood on the Tracks?"

Noam -

Have a few more suggestions, including YES, MOODY BLUES, STEVIE WONDER, and "Manny Others."

-S-

388 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:31pm

re: #381 Noam Sayin'

It's my absolute favorite.

well then you have excellent taste!....Killian needs some work I can see

389 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:36pm

Man I picked a great time to jump into this thread! Here come the meltdowns.

390 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:43pm

What's the countdown?

391 Parker in US  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:46pm

re: #289 Noam Sayin'

It's still simply mind-boggling what they accomplished back then, with what was considered state-of-the-art technology.

*hoists a Schell Deer Brand Original to 60s NASA*

I like in the Apollo movie when the guy was asked how possible it was to go to the moon and he replied "You come over my house you stand in the front yard and throw a tennis ball over the house and I will stand in the backyard and try to hit it with a rock"

392 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:46pm

re: #375 Gus 802

I misplaced my CD of that. Love that album.

I prefer it on vinyl. Really should get a CD version of it some day, just so I'm not completely burning out the grooves of the record.

393 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:42:50pm

rocket launch? cool

link please STAT

394 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:21pm

re: #393 Shug

rocket launch? cool

link please STAT

NASA TV

395 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:34pm

re: #393 Shug

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

4 minutes

396 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:35pm

re: #382 Gus 802

Thanks. This is great!

397 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:35pm

Bloodnok....I didn't realize there was ever any question about where Reagan was born [because there wasn't]. That's really apples and oranges, don't you think?
And if you were in the zero's position would you spend time and money on lawyers or just show the document?

398 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:45pm

re: #374 christmasghost

There is not a difference in the information on a "Birth Certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth". The terms are interchangeable.

399 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:43:54pm

re: #389 Jetpilot1101

Man I picked a great time to jump into this thread! Here come the meltdowns.

what?....you have problems?

400 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:06pm

2 minutes......

401 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:06pm

re: #394 jcm

thanks pards

402 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #397 christmasghost

Go embarrass another blog.

403 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #372 Jim in Virginia

What does it taste like?

It has a little wang to it.

404 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:35pm

The real nirth certificate has been secreted on board the Kepler, to keep it from view. But there's still time to stop the launch...!

405 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:44:37pm

re: #400 WhiteRasta

2 minutes......

You must have an advance copy! ;)

406 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:08pm

re: #405 Gus 802

NASA TV.....

407 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:16pm

re: #405 Gus 802

You must have an advance copy! ;)

Laphamization?

408 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:21pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

Go embarrass another blog.

yeah...we can do that well enough ourselves!

409 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #404 jaunte

If we stack more turtles we can reach it.

410 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #397 christmasghost


GFY

411 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:33pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

What's the countdown?

To what ... stick, or launch?

/

412 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:35pm

Evening/Morning all. Are we are having a night launch tonight? Link please if so.

Thanks.

413 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:39pm

re: #397 christmasghost

HE DID SHOW THE DOCUMENT! A certified copy of it which is legal valid proof. Every state keeps the original document. No one gets their original- it's the state's. The state of Hawaii verified they have the 0bama document.

414 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:43pm

re: #404 jaunte

The real nirth certificate has been secreted on board the Kepler, to keep it from view. But there's still time to stop the launch...!

"O" has actually stashed the world's supply of Dilithium Crystals on board. Bastard is sending them to his home planet.

415 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:53pm

Doesn't christmastoast realize we've got something more important to do at the moment?

416 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:54pm

re: #379 Bloodnok


So, all snickering aside...who here has seen his birth cert.?

I never saw Ronald Reagan's birth certificate either. It doesn't mean that either man was not eligible to be President.

President Ronald Reagan:

Subject: Re: Ronald Reagan's birth certificate
Date: Tue 01/27/2009 10:27 AM

Mr. Ben-Ariel,
Yes, we have a facsimile of President Reagans birth certificate on
exhibit in the "Early Years" gallery. It is just to the left of the
Dixon arch.

Thank you!

Best Regards,

Rob Zucca
Exhibit Specialist
Ronald Reagan Presidential Library

417 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:56pm

"Good evening, Mr. Holmes."

Irene Adler would approve.

418 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:45:59pm

re: #408 albusteve

yeah...we can do that well enough ourselves!

I'm ready to serve!

419 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:09pm

re: #387 Dr. Shalit

Noam -

Have a few more suggestions, including YES, MOODY BLUES, STEVIE WONDER, and "Manny Others."

-S-

Songs in the Key of Life - another all-time favorite. There are some records recorded back in the 70s which will never be topped.

Tangled up in blue...

420 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:11pm

Whoops. 5 minutes.......

421 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:23pm

4 minutes!

422 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:38pm

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

423 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:45pm

Countdown resuming.

424 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:48pm

4 minutes counting

425 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:49pm

re: #418 jaunte

I'm ready to serve!

all in favor say AYE!

426 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:46:59pm

my dearest trout....so if asking a valid question makes you a "nirther" [not as clever an expression as you might think, BTW] are you saying that drinking the kool aid of "I'll just take barry's word for it cause he would never lie" makes you a va-genius or something?

427 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:01pm

T minus 4 minutes......

428 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:06pm

re: #397 christmasghost

Bloodnok....I didn't realize there was ever any question about where Reagan was born [because there wasn't]. That's really apples and oranges, don't you think?
And if you were in the zero's position would you spend time and money on lawyers or just show the document?

I'd do whatever I could JUST TO PISS OFF YOU AND YOUR ILK.

429 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:14pm

Vehicle is armed.

430 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:17pm

3 minutes

431 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:28pm

Ok, here we go.....

432 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:43pm

Christmasghost- are you telling me that when you hire people you demand to see the original copy of their BC in various state vaults, or do you accept government certified copies?

433 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:44pm

re: #429 Dar ul Harb

Vehicle is armed.

Rockets have second amendment rights?

434 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:45pm

Spacecraft is go!

435 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:45pm

OT
Anyone have any advice on Vietnam documentaries on DVD?
Thanks in advance.

436 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:49pm

sweeeet

Pefform vehicle internal trensfer

that's what I told Mrs Shug about 20 minutes ago

437 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:52pm

re: #416 jcm

Only a facsimile!
*gasp*
*shriek*
//////

438 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:47:57pm

re: #397 christmasghost

I'd do whatever I could JUST TO PISS OFF YOU AND YOUR ILK.

439 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:01pm

re: #394 jcm

NASA TV


This is obviously on a Hollywood sound stage. Just like all the Apollo missions.

440 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:09pm

re: #420 WhiteRasta

Whoops. 5 minutes.......

/what a waste of $600 million that could have been added to the $900 million in humanitarian aid for Hamas in Gaza

441 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #429 Dar ul Harb

DUCK!

442 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:17pm

re: #426 christmasghost

You're a nut. Continuing to believe in conspiracy theories after they've been debunked is just stupid. Reality is interesting enough without making stuff up.

443 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:22pm

re: #426 christmasghost

You are a vile little nirther, huh?

444 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:26pm

Spacecraft is GO.

445 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:39pm

Spacecraft is go......

446 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:51pm

I was going to bid everyone good night... But, with the prospect of a meltdown, I think I'll crack open another Czechvar and stick around...

447 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:54pm

80 seconds.

448 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:56pm

And my personal favorite, Shelter from the storm...

Twas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood
When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud
I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

And if I pass this way again, you can rest assured
I'll always do my best for her, on that I give my word
In a world of steel-eyed death, and men who are fighting to be warm.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."...

449 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:48:56pm

re: #439 Jim in Virginia

This is obviously on a Hollywood sound stage. Just like all the Apollo missions.

It's all CGI these days.... pretty awesome computer graphics.....

450 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:16pm

90 sec

451 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:26pm

re: #426 christmasghost

Finally, a troll has walked into the trap. All Logic Artillery, give me a TOT on this troll.

Firing yellow smoke...

452 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:26pm

they used to say...we have liftoff!...I thought was sexy

453 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:28pm

45

454 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:30pm

I am pleasantly surprised how many space geek lizards there are besides me

455 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:32pm

Range GO for launch

456 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:40pm

90m seconds go for launch.....

457 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:49:41pm

re: #397 christmasghost

Bloodnok....I didn't realize there was ever any question about where Reagan was born [because there wasn't]. That's really apples and oranges, don't you think?
And if you were in the zero's position would you spend time and money on lawyers or just show the document?

I guess I just don't see where "the question" is about 0bama. To assume there is something fishy about him being born in Hawaii would suggest a conspiracy going back to the day of his birth where false reports would have had to have been sent to Hawaiian newspapers. People would have had to infiltrate the government of Hawaii so that the false certificate could be certified as a true copy. And so on. It is silly and embarrassing.

I'm sure if you put the same effort into looking at Reagan you could come up with something just as silly about where his birth might or might not have occurred. But, the difference is you don't WANT to do that with Reagan.

458 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:00pm

10 seconds here we go!

459 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:08pm

re: #417 MandyManners

"Good evening, Mr. Holmes."

Irene Adler would approve.

I hope some would approve since the resident of 221B Baker Street would know whent to GET A FUCKING CLUE!

460 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:10pm

Thunderbirds are Go!

461 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:16pm

Whotthell ... another five bucks down th' drain.
We can't even get quality trolls anymore!

462 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:20pm

There she goes!

463 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:39pm

F'ing cool.

464 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:39pm

go !

465 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:42pm

re: #426 christmasghost

my dearest trout....so if asking a valid question makes you a "nirther" [not as clever an expression as you might think, BTW] are you saying that drinking the kool aid of "I'll just take barry's word for it cause he would never lie" makes you a va-genius or something?

State, as in Hawaii.
Certified, as in legal document valid in lieu of original.
Copy, not original, see above.

466 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:46pm

Launch now on Fox News. NASA TV is about a thirty second delay Its off

467 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:50pm

Launch! That was nothing short of awesome!

468 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:52pm

Liftoff!

469 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:50:56pm

Looking good Mach 1

470 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:02pm

GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO

471 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:06pm

Liftoff!

472 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:09pm

Yeah!

473 Wishing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:16pm

Wowzers!

474 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:25pm

Solid rockets off.

475 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:28pm

I'm gettin a stiffy

476 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:33pm

Mach 1 T plus :34

477 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:43pm

0-Mach 1 - 34 seconds.

WOOT

478 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:45pm

Man, the stream is way behind ...watching on Fox ... solid motors already gone

479 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:46pm

really does an early pitch over


and hits mach one at 38 sec

480 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:51pm

SRB sep

481 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:52pm

Go Kepler! Fetch planets!

482 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:51:57pm

Absolutely amazing! (watching the launch)

483 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:03pm

Cool.

484 Sheepdogess  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:06pm

The first paragraph of the deposition... well I wouldn't expect to ever see something like that in a frivolous malpractice case. Very odd I must say. Who appointed this judge?

BTW, I thought this subject was TABOOOOOO.

485 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:07pm

Zero to Mach 1 in 34 seconds...

486 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:13pm

NASA Channel's giving me some kind of beat - I think it might be something from the mic keying on an off. If it were rhythmic, it'd be totally cool.

487 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

My heart rate went up.

488 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:38pm

3393 mph

489 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:45pm

5398 mph

490 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:52:56pm

America! Fuck Yeah!

491 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:12pm

In case anyone is wondering what is supersonic.

492 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:12pm

Geeks rule!

493 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:14pm

Airlit SRB sep

5398 mph

494 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:31pm

Damnit they launced the new teleccope and I forgot about it.
F**K.

495 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:47pm

Boy, them Iranians are sure going to be pissed when we find another earth-like planet.

496 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:54pm

1 minute to main engine cutoff.

497 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:55pm

T plus 3 min

6980 mph

498 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:56pm

6980 mph....

499 Sheepdogess  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:53:57pm

re: #477 jcm

Dang, I missed it. Family dinner time, no TV.

500 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:00pm

ho hum...time for a pork chop

501 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:04pm

re: #448 Noam Sayin'

And my personal favorite, Shelter from the storm...


[Video]

Mine is If You See Her, Say Hello

Just gorgeous.

502 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:09pm

8962 mph

503 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:43pm

8962 mph

T+3:50

504 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:47pm

Main engine off.

505 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:50pm

Oh.

506 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:53pm

The transients are settling down?
Must have woken up the guys under the overpasses.

507 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:54:57pm

8962 mph. Yikes

508 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:04pm

more on the speed of sound, math geek stuff I barely understand.

I think there is also a song by cold play.

509 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:05pm
Christmasghost- are you telling me that when you hire people you demand to see the original copy of their BC in various state vaults, or do you accept government certified copies?

You are a vile little nirther, huh?


sharmuta...first of all i never said that did i? and you perhaps are not aware that a cert. of live birth and a birth cert. are different. try using the live birth one to get a passport.
it's amazing how upset anyone here gets when asked a simple question [that they don't really have a valid answer for]. the entire ant colony goes into attack mode of name calling and name morphing.
why?
what on earth are you afraid of anyway? "looking silly"?

510 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:05pm

Here's some good theme music for a NASA Rocket Launch:

511 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:06pm

:10 to MECO

512 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:08pm

re: #501 Bloodnok

Absolutely. I love that whole album. One of the all-time great performances, front-to-back.

513 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:12pm

amazing.

Americans launch rocksts to learn and discover.
Palestinians launch rockets to kill

514 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:14pm

re: #501 Bloodnok

Mine is If You See Her, Say Hello

Just gorgeous.

Pete Townshend, All the Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes

515 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:25pm

62 NM MECO

516 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:36pm

2nd stage ignition

517 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:37pm

re: #494 DEZes

Damnit they launced the new teleccope and I forgot about it.
F**K.

/it's not a telescope, it's just a sensitive light meter

518 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:45pm

Hey, all you wanna' be posers and has beens in the world who are playing with toy rockets....

We've been doing this shit for 50 years......

519 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:55:50pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Here's some good theme music for a NASA Rocket Launch:


[Video]

more Genesis?

520 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:56:14pm

One thing that you really see different when you're there is how "horizontal" the flight path looks.

521 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:56:16pm

ICo
YouCo
Meco
Weallco

522 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:56:30pm

13834 mph!

523 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:56:35pm

5 minutes 30 seconds.....

524 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:56:49pm
525 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:03pm

13,834 mph

526 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:15pm

13834 mph

527 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:18pm

re: #509 christmasghost

sharmuta...first of all i never said that did i? and you perhaps are not aware that a cert. of live birth and a birth cert. are different. try using the live birth one to get a passport.
it's amazing how upset anyone here gets when asked a simple question [that they don't really have a valid answer for]. the entire ant colony goes into attack mode of name calling and name morphing.
why?
what on earth are you afraid of anyway? "looking silly"?

We're not "afraid" of anything. We just don't like looking foolish, though you apparently don't mind looking that way. Go sell stupid somewhere else.

528 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:27pm

89.8X640 NM downrange.....

529 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:36pm

Events within 1 second of expected times...

530 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #512 Noam Sayin'

Absolutely. I love that whole album. One of the all-time great performances, front-to-back.

Idiot Wind is a favorite out of several...of course Tangled Up In Blue is a monster

531 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:43pm

re: #509 christmasghost

You are obviously not afraid of looking like a complete and total moron.

532 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:45pm

T-6:43
14,271 mph

533 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:46pm

re: #495 Racer X

Boy, them Iranians are sure going to be pissed when we find another earth-like planet.

Its really gonna piss em off when they find out that the Aliens never heard of Mohamed. :)

534 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:54pm

14271 mph

535 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:57:58pm

Remember when all the scientists looked like this?

536 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:06pm

Uh T+ not T-

537 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:08pm

re: #519 albusteve

more Genesis?

Flock of Seagulls, Space Age Love Song

538 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:16pm

14899 mph and the just went past Obama's nirth certificate.

539 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:22pm

re: #535 Noam Sayin'

Remember when all the scientists looked like this?

white?

540 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:22pm
541 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:22pm

re: #524 Iron Fist

Filibuster them if they are to the Left of Jonah Goldberg.

/good luck, Specter will vote for anyone Obama nominates

542 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:34pm

Chamber pressure is rock solid. Nice

543 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:36pm

7 minutes, 30 seconds....

544 Sheepdogess  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #535 Noam Sayin'

Them some sexy dudes!

545 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:47pm

14899 mph

546 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #535 Noam Sayin'

Remember when all the scientists looked like this?

Steely Eyed Missile Men!

547 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:58pm

That guy on NASA TV reminds me of Bill Bellichick (headset, playsheet, same shape, haircut).

548 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:58:59pm

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

Flock of Seagulls, Space Age Love Song

quit it...right this second

549 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:09pm

Are we there yet?

550 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:12pm

14989 mph

how this will afect Michelle's kids, I have no idea

551 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:27pm

15567 mph

552 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:31pm

And they did that shit on a workstation that looked like this.

553 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:38pm

re: #426 christmasghost

Read the definition of a certificate of live birth

In most states, this document was, and still is, entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".


or from the Department of Hawaiian Homelands

"In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.


Now you made me miss launch damnit

554 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:43pm

re: #539 ggt

ouch. I think he was going for nerdy, maybe.

555 Truck Monkey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:44pm

re: #479 Shug

really does an early pitch over

and hits mach one at 38 sec

My '83 Chevrolet Citation hit mach at 3 minutes. This truly is awesome.

556 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:49pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Great voice. Do you think he was better as part of Genesis or as a solo artist?

Yes. ;-)

557 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 7:59:51pm

re: #549 Mich-again

Are we there yet?


I swear! I'll turn this thing around!

558 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:02pm

re: #539 ggt

white?

Uh, no. Dorky and poorly dressed.

559 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:07pm

SECO in < 1 min

560 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:15pm

The family visited Cape Canaveral/Kennedy Space Center about two years ago. They have mission control (from Apollo 13) as a museum exhibit. It was FREAKIN' AWESOME!

561 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:16pm

103X1049 9 minutes....

562 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:17pm

SECO!

563 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:21pm

My wife asked when will they finally pull over and ask for directions

564 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:00:46pm

SECO

565 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:02pm

we have SECO

566 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:03pm

re: #548 albusteve

quit it...right this second

Quit what?

567 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:09pm

Hey its Norm from Cheers!

568 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:10pm

re: #563 Shug

My wife asked when will they finally pull over and ask for directions

You made my wife chuckle at that

569 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:18pm

re: #554 OldLineTexan

ouch. I think he was going for nerdy, maybe.

I know, but I find I tend to think the good ole' days were ALL good.

sorry noam

570 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:22pm

NASA TV just showing that fat guy

571 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:27pm

Gotta love that animation shot.

572 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:46pm

re: #570 Shug

NASA TV just showing that fat guy

Nice racks though........

573 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:01:48pm

re: #509 christmasghost

You ask what it is we're afraid of, yet it those who stubbornly cling to this conspiracy theory that are afraid of the truth- that 0bama was born in Hawaii and can legally hold the office of the Presidency. Deal with it.

574 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:09pm

NASA has a SECO, we have a sicko -- here on this thread.

575 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:19pm

re: #572 jcm

Nice racks though........

EEWWWW!

576 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:27pm

SECO
Now BIKO

577 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

NASA has a SECO, we have a sicko -- here on this thread.


Hey what did I do... Oh wait........ ;)

578 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #566 Dark_Falcon

Quit what?

making me think about Genesis....go get a Stones record and listen to it

579 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

You ask what it is we're afraid of, yet it those who stubbornly cling to this conspiracy theory that are afraid of the truth- that 0bama was born in Hawaii and can legally hold the office of the Presidency. Deal with it.

Boom. Argument over!

580 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:56pm

re: #575 Dark_Falcon

EEWWWW!

Equipment racks, EQUIPMENT....

jeesh, some people!

/;-)

581 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:02:56pm

Damn! You Yanks are the best!

582 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:03:07pm

I would like to thank whoever put up this link. I kept the boys up a few minutes past bedtime (PST) and we watched together. Watching a launch with a 9 & 11 year-old boy is really fun.

583 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:03:11pm
I guess I just don't see where "the question" is about 0bama. To assume there is something fishy about him being born in Hawaii would suggest a conspiracy going back to the day of his birth where false reports would have had to have been sent to Hawaiian newspapers. People would have had to infiltrate the government of Hawaii so that the false certificate could be certified as a true copy. And so on. It is silly and embarrassing.


okay here is the difference. i don't remember anyone stating [much less direct family members] that reagan was born in another country, that they witnessed the birth. do you?
so, basically, what you all seem to be saying is that everyone but the zero is lying, anyone that has a different view than you is "nuts", questions and differing viewpoints are not allowed.
wow....fortunately there may be a lot of job openings in the obama administration for you. this is just the kind of "thinking" he likes....

584 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:03:27pm

News Flash:

Kepler telescope initial findings will reveal Obama Administration has astronomical debt as far as the eye can see!

585 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:03:28pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

You ask what it is we're afraid of, yet it those who stubbornly cling to this conspiracy theory that are afraid of the truth- that 0bama was born in Hawaii and can legally hold the office of the Presidency. Deal with it.

and frankly, if he is going to be removed from office, I would not like it to be on some technicality. If the nirth certifikate thing were real, Congress and the Current Crop of Voters would just amend the constitution to allow him to remain in office.

586 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:04:14pm

Antigua out.

really, like they were ever in

587 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:04:20pm

See you in 38 minutes? Dang. Even NASA can't get a good cell signal all the time.

588 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:04:24pm

re: #577 DEZes

Hey what did I do... Oh wait........ ;)

I'm sure that christmastoast is happy now.
His first comment reeked of begging for flagellation, victimhood.

/immature ass

589 wee fury  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:02pm

Rollin and Tumblin by Hambone Willie Newbern. Bob Dylan did a remake recently.

590 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:12pm

Isn't Kepler that pocket computer Charles loves....for reading novels, etc ?

Why did they shoot one into space?

591 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:36pm

re: #578 albusteve

making me think about Genesis....go get a Stones record and listen to it

What's wrong with Genesis?

592 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:40pm

re: #583 christmasghost

The O is now President, like it or not. There is no magic paper that will solve that. On to the next step which is politics; it's harder, but more effective, than conspiracy theories. Start using your time making noise about his incompetence, not where he might have been born.

593 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:49pm

re: #588 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I saw that, and you just can never fix stupid.

594 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:05:54pm

re: #590 Shug

Isn't Kepler that pocket computer Charles loves....for reading novels, etc ?

Why did they shoot one into space?

SMACK!

595 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:01pm

re: #578 albusteve

making me think about Genesis....go get a Stones record and listen to it

re: #583 christmasghost

okay here is the difference. i don't remember anyone stating [much less direct family members] that reagan was born in another country, that they witnessed the birth. do you?
so, basically, what you all seem to be saying is that everyone but the zero is lying, anyone that has a different view than you is "nuts", questions and differing viewpoints are not allowed.
wow....fortunately there may be a lot of job openings in the obama administration for you. this is just the kind of "thinking" he likes....

You're not serious, are you? I'm not suggesting a Reagan Nirth conspiracy. I was just using him as an example of how, if you try really hard and refuse to listen to reason or observe facts you could create a Nirth conspiracy about anyone.

596 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:02pm

For those who missed it, the Kepler night launch replay is next on NASA TV.

597 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:08pm

Whew, no anomalies.

598 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:12pm

Did you see the white hair/beard guy?

/I think Santa is helping us launch the rocket!

599 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #583 christmasghost

okay here is the difference. i don't remember anyone stating [much less direct family members] that reagan was born in another country, that they witnessed the birth. do you?
so, basically, what you all seem to be saying is that everyone but the zero is lying, anyone that has a different view than you is "nuts", questions and differing viewpoints are not allowed.

What YOU are saying is that everyone except 0bama's grandmother is lying- from 47 year old newspapers to the officials in the Vital Statistics office.

And you want to know why Nirthers are called NUTS? Because basing your argument on a vast conspiracy supported only by one elderly woman's memory kind of qualifies.

600 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:49pm

re: #598 EmmmieG

Did you see the white hair/beard guy?

/I think Santa is helping us launch the rocket!


HO! HO! HO!

601 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:52pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with Genesis?

it's not rock and roll...I offend everybody equally, nothing personal

602 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:06:58pm

re: #583 christmasghost

okay here is the difference. i don't remember anyone stating [much less direct family members] that reagan was born in another country, that they witnessed the birth. do you?
so, basically, what you all seem to be saying is that everyone but the zero is lying, anyone that has a different view than you is "nuts", questions and differing viewpoints are not allowed.
wow....fortunately there may be a lot of job openings in the obama administration for you. this is just the kind of "thinking" he likes....

Hearsay
vs.
Legal documents.

Your are gonna' need more than Obama's grandma's un-sworn statements reported by less than credible sources to challenge legal documents.

603 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:07:01pm

re: #590 Shug

Isn't Kepler that pocket computer Charles loves....for reading novels, etc ?

Why did they shoot one into space?

Is gift for God from Obamas ... teleprompter. Very nice.

604 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:07:36pm

re: #583 christmasghost

You're not just a nirther troll, you're an asshole too. I've reported you; Enjoy the Ban Stick.

605 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:07:39pm

re: #585 ggt

You can't amend the Constitution retroactively like that- and the hurdle for amending is very high.

606 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:07:43pm

re: #590 Shug

Thats Kindle.

607 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #583 christmasghost

everyone but the zero is lying

In other words, only one person in the United States, Obama himself, is saying that Obama is indeed a qualified citizen?

In other words, absolutely EVERYONE else is saying that he is NOT?

Do you realize how much of an ass you're making of yourself?

608 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:11pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with Genesis?

It's only allegorical?

/sorry, thought this was a creationism thread

609 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #606 Mich-again

Thats Kindle.

They shot a Kindle into space?
Why?

;-P

610 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:26pm

re: #583 christmasghost

Listen bro, I know you don't like Obama, none of us do but to come up with some concocted reason for why he can't be president is ludicrous. It only makes the rest of us look like idiots and marginalizes the opposition. Obama is doing a fine job of screwing us and his presidency in the process. I suggest you sit back and let him self-destruct. Besides, in order to really stop his lunacy, we all need to focus on 2010 and quit trying to rewrite history. What you and your fellow nirthers are doing is not helpful and will only lead to more conservative defeats in 2010 and possibly 4 more years of Obama in 2012. I think that we can all at least agree that we don't want him reelected.

611 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #601 albusteve

it's not rock and roll...I offend everybody equally, nothing personal

How is it not rock and roll? Just asking.

612 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:08:43pm

re: #609 jcm

With bagels and LOX.

613 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:01pm

re: #606 Mich-again

Thats Kindle.

I thought that was little pieces of wood to start fires?

614 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:19pm

re: #598 EmmmieG

Did you see the white hair/beard guy?

/I think Santa is helping us launch the rocket!

Maybe it was Kris Kindle. ;)

615 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:21pm

re: #606 Mich-again

Thats Kindle.

right. kindle.
not kepler

616 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:28pm

re: #612 Gus 802

With bagels and LOX.

No wonder Barry is cutting NASA's budget what a waste!

617 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:47pm

re: #616 jcm

No wonder Barry is cutting NASA's budget what a waste!

Is that true?

618 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #583 christmasghost

okay here is the difference. i don't remember anyone stating [much less direct family members] that reagan was born in another country, that they witnessed the birth. do you?
so, basically, what you all seem to be saying is that everyone but the zero is lying, anyone that has a different view than you is "nuts", questions and differing viewpoints are not allowed.
wow....fortunately there may be a lot of job openings in the obama administration for you. this is just the kind of "thinking" he likes....

And by the way, differing opinions are allowed but are fair game to be refuted. The more foolish and unsupported the statement the more aggressively someone will counter it. Get used to it. It is you that seem to be hypersensitive to the fact that we're not fawning over your powers of observation.

619 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:09:56pm

re: #613 OldLineTexan

I thought that was little pieces of wood to start fires?

Faggots you mean?

620 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:04pm

re: #612 Gus 802

With bagels and LOX.

Space bagels and LOX.

621 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:09pm

re: #613 OldLineTexan

I thought that was little pieces of wood to start fires?

No, that's your neighbor's Obama yard sign.

/JUST KIDDING

622 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:37pm

re: #617 Gus 802

Is that true?

Unfortunately true, NASA's budget is getting cut.

623 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:37pm

re: #615 Shug

right. kindle.
not kepler

A keplermaniac?

624 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:43pm

re: #608 Dar ul Harb

It's only allegorical?

/sorry, thought this was a creationism thread

[smiles] Well, we've got a troll so I can see where you might be confused. I'm going to get the charcoal going. Roast christmasghost is going to be tonight's entree. What kind of wine would people like with their troll?

625 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:10:45pm

STARE DECISIS - Lat. "to stand by that which is decided." The principal that the precedent decisions are to be followed by the courts.

Now that we have settled that . . .

626 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:12pm

re: #622 jcm

Unfortunately true, NASA's budget is getting cut.

Cripes, I figured he would. What an asshat.

Say goodbye to the F-22.

627 jcm  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:22pm

Gotta run BBL.

628 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:36pm

re: #619 jcm

Faggots you mean?

Those are Fascists, I thought.

629 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:38pm

re: #623 OldLineTexan

On your Kindle you kin get Kepler or Kipling.

630 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #555 Truck Monkey

My '83 Chevrolet Citation hit mach at 3 minutes. This truly is awesome.

Truck Monkey -

It hit a Mustang Mach I? Poor Citation!

-S-

631 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:11:49pm

I cannot believe there are still nirthers out there

cannot believe it

WAKE UP YOU FOOLS AND SMELL THE HALDOL !

632 Racer X  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:00pm

Go outside and hold up your thumb at arm's length. In the space of your thumbnail this is what you will find.

Imagine what else is out there.

633 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:05pm

re: #619 jcm

Faggots you mean?

I always knew you were a tinder hearted person.

634 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

No, that's your neighbor's Obama yard sign.

/JUST KIDDING

No Obama yard signs were in my neighborhood.

We had some Luap Nor signs down the main drag, that's embarrassing enough.

635 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:35pm

re: #626 Gus 802

Cripes, I figured he would. What an asshat.

Say goodbye to the F-22.

Maybe not. The Senate is puching hard for at least 60 more of them. Even John Kerry wants production to continue.

636 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #597 Gus 802

Whew, no anomalies.

I went outside. One eye on the TV, two on the binoculars (figure that out). Looked like a red blowtorch and I could see the boosters falling away. Then it faded fast. It's always funny how it goes up and then appears to start going down.

637 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #605 Sharmuta

You can't amend the Constitution retroactively like that- and the hurdle for amending is very high.

The Obamatrons would try their best to find a way --further distracting the world from the real issues.

638 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:13:03pm

re: #622 jcm

Unfortunately true, NASA's budget is getting cut.


Didn't we have a news in a thread that NASA's budget was up a few hundred million, You mean Obama is a lying dork holster?

639 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:13:29pm

re: #630 Dr. Shalit

My first real job was at the plant that made Chevy Citations.

Back In The Day.
M

640 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:13:38pm
641 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:00pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

Maybe not. The Senate is puching hard for at least 60 more of them. Even John Kerry wants production to continue.

Raytheon (which is HQ'd in Mass.) must have a lot of gear in those birds.

642 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

Maybe not. The Senate is puching hard for at least 60 more of them. Even John Kerry wants production to continue.

An advantage of the huge consolidation of the aviation was to allow the companies to have production spread across many states.

More senators wanting to keep jobs in their states.

643 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:28pm

re: #624 Dark_Falcon

[smiles] Well, we've got a troll so I can see where you might be confused. I'm going to get the charcoal going. Roast christmasghost is going to be tonight's entree. What kind of wine would people like with their troll?

Gamey Buttock slices on Bagel with LOX.?

644 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:38pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

OK, that's good. Have to wait and see. If Kerry is supporting it then there's a good chance it will keep going.

645 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:41pm

re: #592 jaunte

The O is now President, like it or not. There is no magic paper that will solve that. On to the next step which is politics; it's harder, but more effective, than conspiracy theories. Start using your time making noise about his incompetence, not where he might have been born.

To date I have seen no proof that Obama is human. To be president of the USA, you have to be human. Where is his DNA record? Have you seen it? What is he trying to hide? These are just questions./

646 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:42pm

re: #637 ggt

The Obamatrons would try their best to find a way --further distracting the world from the real issues.

You need 2/3 of both Houses of Congress then 3/4 of the states to pass an amendment. And it's still not retro-active. And it's moot because 0bama is legally qualified to hold the office.

647 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:14:47pm

People who play the guitar pretty good - but not quite as good as they think:
1) John Mayer

648 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:04pm

re: #640 Iron Fist

Yeah, I am afraid you are right. It is a damn shame we didn't get rid of Spectre ages ago. Even if it meant losing the seat. He's not exactly actually voted Republican, well, ever. Of course, John Fuckin' Murtha (Murthafucker) might step up and take his place. damn, but there's one sorry son of a bitch. Asshat basically calls his constituants a bunch of red neck racists, and they still elect the motherfucker. It's a nice gig, if you can get it, I guess, but how does one apply for the position of "Oxygen-suck"?

Hah, "Murthafucker". As in "Man, you is one dumb nirther Murthafucker."

649 Truck Monkey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:34pm

re: #639 Mich-again

My first real job was at the plant that made Chevy Citations.

Back In The Day.
M

I liked my Citation because it had a sun-roof.

650 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:34pm

re: #583 christmasghost

See my thumb?

/gee you're dumb

651 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:41pm

re: #641 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Raytheon (which is HQ'd in Mass.) must have a lot of gear in those birds.

Raytheon should have been put out of business after faking those Patriot chips.

652 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:45pm
653 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:15:57pm

Wine with roast troll?!
Surely, you jest! Roast troll goes best with beer!

654 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:16:22pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

How is it not rock and roll? Just asking.

I hate it when people call me on this...there is no good answer but...they don't have a r/r beat or rhythm...they get into alot of soaring chords and manufactured noise...they do these excessive breaks that are more of an art rock thing...they played some r/r but very little...honestly it's not so much what they are as what they aren't...I'm an old fashioned stripped down kinda rocker....let me hear them do some Buddy Holly or Chuck Barry

655 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:16:28pm

re: #653 Natasha

Wine with roast troll?!
Surely, you jest! Roast troll goes best with beer!

A tankard of ale?

656 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:16:35pm

re: #643 ggt

Gamey Buttock slices on Bagel with LOX.?

Careful with the grill!

657 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:16:59pm

re: #639 Mich-again

My first real job was at the plant that made Chevy Citations.

Back In The Day.
M

Mich-again -

My first job to pay a living wage was at the plant building PINTOS. Ford Metuchen Assembly Plant - UAW Local 980.

-S-

658 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:17:01pm

re: #646 Sharmuta

You need 2/3 of both Houses of Congress then 3/4 of the states to pass an amendment. And it's still not retro-active. And it's moot because 0bama is legally qualified to hold the office.

I KNOW, but the media circus would be a disgusting mess.

659 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:17:05pm

re: #642 Van Helsing

An advantage of the huge consolidation of the aviation was to allow the companies to have production spread across many states.

More senators wanting to keep jobs in their states.

Yep. The senate may put in enough cluebat whacks to get BHO's attention. He'll probably build at least 60 more F-22s, since he can't afford to piss off the whole Senate.

660 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:17:17pm

re: #645 Jimmah

To date I have seen no proof that Obama is human. To be president of the USA, you have to be human. Where is his DNA record? Have you seen it? What is he trying to hide? These are just questions./

As far as I can tell, he's just a pattern of electrons.

661 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:17:57pm

re: #651 OldLineTexan

Raytheon should have been put out of business after faking those Patriot chips.

There is a certain amorality in the upper echelons of the defense industry.

662 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:18:10pm

re: #654 albusteve

I H8 Genesis 2. They thought they didn't need a guitar for rock and roll. Ha.

663 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:18:13pm

re: #655 Radicchio ad Absurdum

A tankard of ale?

A flagon of mead.

664 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:18:59pm

I am the eye in the sky.


Alan Parons Project.

Excellent dope-smoking music.

665 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:19:03pm

re: #653 Natasha

Wine with roast troll?!
Surely, you jest! Roast troll goes best with beer!


Depends on if its marinated and cooked in a pit or with a dry rub over charcoal.
Microwaved is definitely served with grog. ;)

666 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #662 Mich-again

I H8 Genesis 2. They thought they didn't need a guitar for rock and roll. Ha.

no shit....what would the Nuge say about that?

667 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:19:55pm

ziggy stardust

668 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:00pm

You're not just a nirther troll, you're an asshole too. I've reported you; Enjoy the Ban Stick.
oh brother. the "ban stick" for asking a valid question.

jetpilot1101@610........i am not a nirther at all. i deal with logic and science every day and if i used the sort of "logic" on display in this discussion i cannot even imagine what would happen in the lab.
what will continue to hurt conservatives are the echo chamber mentalities that are on full display here. honest people, of every stripe, do not fear questions or differing viewpoints. now if i stated that the world was flat and only 6,000 years old you would have a very real reason for painting me as a nut because those are both quite easily proven untrue.
but here are all these people screaming bloody murder about something that they have absolutely no proof of. i find that disturbing.
sorry, i can't remember who said this but...Hawaii's laws and rules on the books were very different in obama's birth year than they are now, so quoting the present day site is useless.

669 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #653 Natasha

Wine with roast troll?!
Surely, you jest! Roast troll goes best with beer!

I prefer wine with the evening meal. I was thinking of a good Merlot to go with cg's Gamey Buttocks.

670 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:19pm

re: #666 albusteve

no shit....what would the Nuge say about that?

I wonder what Steve Hackett would say, too (Genesis' lead guitarist from 1971-1977)

671 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:20pm

re: #636 Naso Tang

I went outside. One eye on the TV, two on the binoculars (figure that out). Looked like a red blowtorch and I could see the boosters falling away. Then it faded fast. It's always funny how it goes up and then appears to start going down.

How far away from KSC are you?

672 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:44pm

re: #657 Dr. Shalit

From Jersey huh.

My first car was a 72 Maverick. Oh Wa Ta Pee Sha Sheet!

673 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:50pm

re: #656 Dar ul Harb

Will do!

674 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:20:53pm

re: #660 jaunte

As far as I can tell, he's just a pattern of electrons.

Wait a minute... You mean he was not cloned from space alien DNA and raised in a secret underground lab in Siberia? Man, the coathanger antennae on my tinfoil chapeau are picking up faulty info! I think they are on to me.... Oh NOES!11!

675 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:21:20pm

re: #654 albusteve

I hate it when people call me on this...there is no good answer but...they don't have a r/r beat or rhythm...they get into alot of soaring chords and manufactured noise...they do these excessive breaks that are more of an art rock thing...they played some r/r but very little...honestly it's not so much what they are as what they aren't...I'm an old fashioned stripped down kinda rocker....let me hear them do some Buddy Holly or Chuck Barry

Understood. You still have good taste, and I thank you for your explanation.

676 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:21:21pm

re: #668 christmasghost

Except you're NOT asking a valid question.

677 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:21:36pm

re: #668 christmasghost

What is useless and pointless is to spend any more time on this issue.
We have real problems now, try to get real about solving them.

678 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:21:54pm

re: #666 albusteve

what would the Nuge say about that?

Abacab!

679 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:22:22pm

re: #668 christmasghost

What branch of science do you work in?

680 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:22:27pm

re: #668 christmasghost
If you deal with science every day, why are you too fucking stupid to use the reply feature?

681 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:22:39pm

re: #668 christmasghost

GAZE

682 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:23:01pm

re: #668 christmasghost

You have things backwards. It's not us that's hurting the Republican party. It's the tinfoil hat wing such as the nirthers that are making matters worse since it attracts guilt by association.

End of story.

683 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:00pm

It's fascinating because on the ID threads, the trolls are always scientists too.

Now so are nirthers.

684 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:00pm

re: #671 Gus 802

How far away from KSC are you?

About 150 miles according to mapquest.

685 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #683 Sharmuta

Flog the controversy!

686 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #664 MandyManners

I am the eye in the sky.


Alan Parons Project.

Excellent dope-smoking music.

Strap on some leather.


687 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:29pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

What branch of science do you work in?

/Applied Nirthology

688 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:39pm

re: #685 jaunte

High five, yo.

689 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:45pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

What branch of science do you work in?

Climatologist working to prove AGW/ACC?

690 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

What branch of science do you work in?

I'd wager he's on the Disco Institute's payroll. It the only logical explanation for his resistance to logic and evidence.

691 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:05pm

re: #670 Bloodnok

I wonder what Steve Hackett would say, too (Genesis' lead guitarist from 1971-1977)

You're OBSESSED!

/

692 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:07pm

re: #675 Dark_Falcon

Understood. You still have good taste, and I thank you for your explanation.


this is rock and roll...turn it up

693 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:20pm

Attn Nirthers:

Prove to me you are alive.

Send me a certified copy of a letter from your psychiatrist stating you are alive.

until then:

piss off

that is all

694 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:28pm

re: #668 christmasghost

i am not a nirther at all.

honest people, of every stripe, do not fear questions or differing viewpoints.

Hawaii's laws and rules on the books were very different in obama's birth year than they are now,


Yer killing me!

695 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:29pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

4 out of 5 documentologists agree!

696 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #687 Killian Bundy

/Applied Nirthology

Can an MD specialize in Nirthology and become a Nirthologist?

/One known cure for nirthism is lithium.

697 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:52pm

re: #610 Jetpilot1101

Listen bro, I know you don't like Obama, none of us do but to come up with some concocted reason for why he can't be president is ludicrous. It only makes the rest of us look like idiots and marginalizes the opposition. Obama is doing a fine job of screwing us and his presidency in the process. I suggest you sit back and let him self-destruct. Besides, in order to really stop his lunacy, we all need to focus on 2010 and quit trying to rewrite history. What you and your fellow nirthers are doing is not helpful and will only lead to more conservative defeats in 2010 and possibly 4 more years of Obama in 2012. I think that we can all at least agree that we don't want him reelected.

That one bears repeating.

698 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:55pm

re: #667 ggt


I'd forgotten how weird Bowie looked in the 'Diamond Dogs' days.

699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:25:58pm

re: #692 albusteve

this is rock and roll...turn it up


[Video]

I don't even have to click it to know that you just played some bad-ass David Bowie.

700 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:18pm

bloodnok

And by the way, differing opinions are allowed but are fair game to be refuted. The more foolish and unsupported the statement the more aggressively someone will counter it. Get used to it. It is you that seem to be hypersensitive to the fact that we're not fawning over your powers of observation.


fair enough, but i have no idea why you would think i was upset in the least bit. i'm not at all. it's cool. i'm just curious.
i don't remember asking or expecting anyone to "fawn"........i'm not trying to impress anyone, i actually [foolish me] thought that this site was full of conservatives that were willing and able to have a discussion.
perhaps i was wrong?

701 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:38pm

re: #668 christmasghost

Hawaii's laws and rules on the books were very different in obama's birth year

Citations, please. Quotations from verified libraries.
Statutes, present and past, are public record.
They are in the libraries.

702 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:50pm

re: #668 christmasghost

Sweetie, I trust that you're old enough that you're allowed unrestricted access to the Internet.

LEARN HOW TO WRITE STANDARD ENGLISH.

703 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:54pm

re: #698 Van Helsing

I'd forgotten how weird Bowie looked in the 'Diamond Dogs' days.

Yeah, he went way over . . . something, not sure even he ever figured out what.

704 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:58pm

re: #687 Killian Bundy

/Applied Nirthology


Now thats funny, *UPDING*

705 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:26:59pm

re: #699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't even have to click it to know that you just played some bad-ass David Bowie.

you be dopin on me now....

706 Shug  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:27:37pm

OMG, I just found out that this is the official Upding comment of the night.


Apparently you must upding this comment or the server will crash.

707 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:17pm

re: #664 MandyManners

I am the eye in the sky.

Alan Parons Project.

Excellent dope-smoking music.

Mandy -

Remember driving a SHELBY DODGE when this tune was "almost new" - good cruising music. Especially when tuned.

-S-

708 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:30pm

I always liked this one with Bowie and Jagger

709 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:33pm

From the makers of Loose Change comes!

Loose Nirthers!

710 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #706 Shug

OMG, I just found out that this is the official Upding comment of the night.

Apparently you must upding this comment or the server will crash.

Shssh. Who are you trying to give ideas to?

711 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:42pm

re: #700 christmasghost


fair enough, but i have no idea why you would think i was upset in the least bit. i'm not at all. it's cool. i'm just curious.
i don't remember asking or expecting anyone to "fawn"........i'm not trying to impress anyone, i actually [foolish me] thought that this site was full of conservatives that were willing and able to have a discussion.
perhaps i was wrong?

conservatives does not = nutcase conspiracy theorists.

please learn to use the reply feature ... and the SHIFT key

712 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:48pm

re: #668 christmasghost

I took a chunk of time out of my evening to respond to you so, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, HATCHLING. NOW.

Any questions?

I didn't think so.

713 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:28:59pm

re: #700 christmasghost

bloodnok


fair enough, but i have no idea why you would think i was upset in the least bit. i'm not at all. it's cool. i'm just curious.
i don't remember asking or expecting anyone to "fawn"........i'm not trying to impress anyone, i actually [foolish me] thought that this site was full of conservatives that were willing and able to have a discussion.
perhaps i was wrong?

Just because many on the site (but not all) lean towards Conservative politics does not mean we will accept any theory that makes 0bama look bad that comes down the line. Don't play the "I thought you were all good Conservatives" card. That's weak.

714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:29:01pm

re: #692 albusteve

this is rock and roll...turn it up


You'll hate me for this...My favorite John Hiatt...

Hat tip, Mandy Manners

I bookmarked this after she posted it a few months ago...

715 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:29:16pm

Maybe Rahm Emanuel is paying a cadre of mobys to push the nirth cert business. Rahm you Rovian bastard!

716 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:29:55pm

re: #700 christmasghost

Aw, look! The Troll does sarcasm too.

GAZE

717 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:29:56pm

re: #668 christmasghost

Logic and science are well represented at LGF. Spend more than a few hours on here and you'll see what I mean. Charles and 99.9% of the posters on here consistently engage in logical and though provoking discussion that I can personally say has made me more intelligent and significantly better informed IRT current events. Folks like you are a distraction to the greater cause of capitalism and conservative principles. Let this issue go quietly into the night and focus on the greater battle; snatching this country back from the jaws of socialism. To continue to beat this dead horse only makes you look foolish and desperate. Obama has got to go, on this we all agree, but lets ensure his departure is based on more than fantasies and wild, debunked conspiracy theories.

718 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:29:59pm

bio chemistry....pharma research.

719 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:30:07pm

re: #708 ggt

I always liked this one with Bowie and Jagger

[Video]

lovers...

720 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:30:29pm

re: #668 christmasghost

You should be proud. Already Mandy has noticed you. Watch and learn the language.

721 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:30:47pm

re: #700 christmasghost

fair enough, but i have no idea why you would think i was upset in the least bit. i'm not at all. it's cool. i'm just curious.
i don't remember asking or expecting anyone to "fawn"........i'm not trying to impress anyone, i actually [foolish me] thought that this site was full of conservatives that were willing and able to have a discussion.
perhaps i was wrong?

It's the nirthers acting like children, not us. Spoiled nirther brats pitching a continual hissy fit and abusing the court system to pursue their illogical agenda.

722 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:30:50pm

re: #717 Jetpilot1101

And me and albusteve turn in dat all-important 0.1%.

/yo, steve
/fistbump

723 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:31:09pm

re: #718 christmasghost

bio chemistry....pharma research.

Sure it is not ID?

724 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:31:36pm

re: #668 christmasghost

Are you really saying that the Department of Hawaiian Homeland I linked to above and FactCheck.org are both covering for Obama?

Q:Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?
Is Barack Obama a "natural-born citizen"? It is hard to believe he could get this far in the electoral process and not have a sufficient answer to this question, I admit, but has his birth certificate been disclosed?


A; Yes. His campaign made a copy public after speculation by conservative bloggers that he might not be a "natural-born citizen."
We asked for and received a copy from the Obama campaign. It is too large to display full size on this page, but you may click on this link to see a copy of the document just as we received it.


You may be very good at science and logic but you need some facts to back them up where are yours? Take a look at the certificate of live birth your self and prove it's a fake using facts

725 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:31:37pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

What branch of science do you work in?

Rectal extrapolations. PHD.

726 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:07pm

re: #725 DEZes

Rectal extrapolations. PHD.

LOL!

727 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:12pm

re: #718 christmasghost

bio chemistry....pharma research.

Why am I not surprised it's biochem?

728 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:14pm

re: #700 christmasghost

bloodnok


fair enough, but i have no idea why you would think i was upset in the least bit. i'm not at all. it's cool. i'm just curious.
i don't remember asking or expecting anyone to "fawn"........i'm not trying to impress anyone, i actually [foolish me] thought that this site was full of conservatives that were willing and able to have a discussion.perhaps i was wrong?

How do you define "Conservative"?

729 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:16pm

Sit back for 2 minutes. Forget about all the bad news and enjoy. Renegade Master.

730 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:34pm

re: #714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You'll hate me for this...My favorite John Hiatt...

Hat tip, Mandy Manners

I bookmarked this after she posted it a few months ago...

not at all...I've seen Hiatt many times and he always plays that song...I'm not some neanderthal bro...in spite of my posts

731 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:32:44pm

re: #700 christmasghost

Here's an Obama conspiracy for you.

/give it up for Feathers, ooh Cadillac, and Tom Cruise!

732 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:20pm

re: #728 MandyManners

How do you define "Conservative"?

I regret I have but one upding for that.

733 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:43pm

re: #672 Mich-again

From Jersey huh.

My first car was a 72 Maverick. Oh Wa Ta Pee Sha Sheet!

Mich-again -

Mavericks (and Comets) were built in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada. The only time we would see them in Metuchen is if a Ford "Middle-Wig" drove down in one. Inevitably:

1. The Rocker Panels were rusted out.

2. Our Body Shop fixed them.

-S-

734 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:48pm

re: #718 christmasghost

bio chemistry....pharma research.

From your buzz-wording, and then an incongruous lack of it, why am I inclined to doubt that you're actually working in the field as a degreed professional?

735 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:49pm

re: #707 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

Remember driving a SHELBY DODGE when this tune was "almost new" - good cruising music. Especially when tuned.

-S-

I remember when I thought it was a cool tune on the classic rock station.

*don't beat me*

736 Sheepdogess  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #640 Iron Fist
If every American was forced to watch CSPAN for one day they would vote most of these morons out of office the first chance they got.

737 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:33:58pm

you know what, i think i have noticed another typing trait that troofers of all types often have.

738 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:34:14pm

re: #731 Killian Bundy

Here's an Obama conspiracy for you.

/give it up for Feathers, ooh Cadillac, and Tom Cruise!

Johannes Kepler's Big Adventure

739 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:34:16pm

re: #731 Killian Bundy

Here's an Obama conspiracy for you.

/give it up for Feathers, ooh Cadillac, and Tom Cruise!

A whole planet full of unicorns? Please tell BHO where they are so he can tax them!

//

740 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:34:40pm

re: #668 christmasghost

You're not just a nirther troll, you're an asshole too. I've reported you; Enjoy the Ban Stick.
oh brother. the "ban stick" for asking a valid question.

You know you want it. I'll bet you have a cozy spot on a stalker blog all picked out and all you need is the credential.

741 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:34:45pm

re: #722 OldLineTexan

And me and albusteve turn in dat all-important 0.1%.

/yo, steve
/fistbump

bro...speak it!

742 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:34:51pm

re: #737 Jimmah

you know what, i think i have noticed another typing trait that troofers of all types often have.

Is it biological or anatomical?

743 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:35:23pm

re: #727 Sharmuta

Why am I not surprised it's biochem?

Not quite.
It said "bio CHEMISTRY", and then used "pharma".
heh

744 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:35:45pm

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

LOL!

Hey they have to pull it out of somewhere. ;}

745 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:35:48pm

re: #737 Jimmah

you know what, i think i have noticed another typing trait that troofers of all types often have.

At least they take the effort to actually type out the full word instead of using cryptic l33t speak.

746 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:08pm

re: #743 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not quite.
It said "bio CHEMISTRY", and then used "pharma".
heh

That's just codespeak for "Doped-up kid getting high in momma's basement".

747 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:12pm

re: #692 albusteve

Cool. Sonny lives here, I've caught a plane puddle jumper out of here twice with him.

I've been seeing him live in the little venues around here for fifteen years or so.

748 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:16pm

re: #743 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A lot of IDers/creationists are in biochemistry.

749 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:19pm
750 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:34pm

re: #733 Dr. Shalit

I snuck into the Ford St. Thomas plant once, posing as a BASF paint employee. Ha. Not much to see there.

751 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:36:51pm

re: #715 jaunte

Maybe Rahm Emanuel is paying a cadre of mobys to push the nirth cert business. Rahm you Rovian bastard!

I had to ding you down.

THERE IS NO PRESIDENTIAL-BASTARD OTHER THAN ROVE.

752 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:37:01pm

re: #735 MandyManners

I remember when I thought it was a cool tune on the classic rock station.

*don't beat me*

Mandy -

Until the last week or so, the "Prelude" part was used by Don Imus on his WABC AM Radio Show as an intro.

-S-

753 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:37:09pm

re: #739 Dark_Falcon

A whole planet full of unicorns? Please tell BHO where they are so he can tax them!

//

I thought we were supposed to collect their farts to power our green energy economy.

754 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:37:30pm

re: #717 Jetpilot1101

honest people are only a distraction when honesty is not welcome.nice quote of barry though...all those "distractions".

755 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:37:34pm

re: #748 Sharmuta

A lot of IDers/creationists are in biochemistry.

Lots of glassware needs washing.

756 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:37:50pm

killer Hiatt ballad....for Mandy


757 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:12pm

Engaging the Ironfist rule here, but with plenty of /SARC.

You fools! With this simple launch, I have detected a threat and I will be back with my Cymeck warriors and I will destroy you. The One can not save you.

Omnius

* Now reading . DUNE, The Machine Crusade

758 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:27pm

re: #748 Sharmuta

A lot of IDers/creationists are in biochemistry.

Yeah. That wasn't my point.
IMO, it's mis-using the slang that's common in that field.
Sounds like a college sophomore who's headed in that professional direction.

759 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:32pm

re: #751 MandyManners

I had to ding you down.

THERE IS NO PRESIDENTIAL-BASTARD OTHER THAN ROVE.

He's still a fucking bastard -just not a magnificent one.

760 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:35pm

re: #751 MandyManners

We need a Rahm descriptor.

761 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #749 Iron Fist

Sometimes it seems like he wants to lose everything. Almost like he's a "deconstructivist" of sorts.

762 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:38:46pm

re: #754 christmasghost

There is nothing honest about denying reality.

763 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:39:30pm

re: #754 christmasghost

Will you ever start making sense, or should we just wait for you to start foaming at the mouth, spraying spittle everywhere?

764 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:39:31pm

re: #747 pink freud

Cool. Sonny lives here, I've caught a plane puddle jumper out of here twice with him.

I've been seeing him live in the little venues around here for fifteen years or so.

yeah...he is a monster player...met him once and was very impressed what a laid back guy he is...a southern gentleman really...I love Sonny

765 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:39:35pm

re: #718 christmasghost

bio chemistry....pharma research.

Well I took an aspirin an hour ago, self prescribed, now I am a doctor.
WHOOT.
Look , sweeping the floor at a drug store is not considered cerebral.

766 Perfected Democrat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:39:42pm

Oh, I keep forgetting, President Teleprompter has nothing to hide, therefore nothing to prove, and just showing the real thing as a gesture of good faith would apparently be demeaning, and way too easy... I forget now, which hospital was it in Honolooloo that sissy said her bro was born at? Forget granny and auntie, that has to just be another hoax perpetrated by those nasty nirthers. Ho hum...

767 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:39:45pm

re: #757 Bubblehead II

Engaging the Ironfist rule here, but with plenty of /SARC.

You fools! With this simple launch, I have detected a threat and I will be back with my Cymeck warriors and I will destroy you. The One can not save you.

Omnius

* Now reading . DUNE, The Machine Crusade

I suffered through that whole series. What punishment. I kept thinking, "It has to get better, it's DUNE by Herbert's son", but I was wrong. So very, very wrong.

768 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:40:44pm

Sensor detect an intruder in sector 766!

769 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #752 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

Until the last week or so, the "Prelude" part was used by Don Imus on his WABC AM Radio Show as an intro.

-S-

All I know is that I smoked a fair amount of dope in my youth.

770 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:40:49pm

re: #742 Gus 802

Hey Gus, Just curious, why did you down ding my link in the previous thread which was just informative about the Kepler launch? All I can think is that somebody thinks the abbreviation for Japanese is not kosher, or could it be claiming to have a better topic than Charles?

771 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:40:51pm

re: #754 christmasghost

Well you're not honest. If you were, you'd stop peddling this ridiculous tripe.

772 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:40:57pm

Sensors!

773 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:03pm

re: #749 Iron Fist

How many graduates of our fine education system know who Caligula (wasn't that a Penthouse pr0n flick) or Nero (CD burning software, right?) were and what they did?

774 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:15pm

NASA's expecting to re-acquire signal, via Australian tracking stations, in about 2 minutes.

775 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:19pm

I helped some kids dissect a worm* today. Can I be a scientist too?

*No, we didn't get one off the sidewalk. I have a pack of things ready to dissect that we bought.

776 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:48pm

re: #773 Van Helsing

Like the Avatar

777 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:54pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Oh good. Christmas has a friend.

/or maybe a sock

778 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:55pm

Science people doing science jobs

paragraph 19. Not for the faint hearted.

779 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:41:59pm

re: #770 Naso Tang

Hey Gus, Just curious, why did you down ding my link in the previous thread which was just informative about the Kepler launch? All I can think is that somebody thinks the abbreviation for Japanese is not kosher, or could it be claiming to have a better topic than Charles?

Sorry, that was why. I guess you saw me doing it. I don't. Unless you were a WWII vet then its kosher.

780 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #764 albusteve

yeah...he is a monster player...met him once and was very impressed what a laid back guy he is...a southern gentleman really...I love Sonny

Local boy done good. We love him here. Kick ASS player.

781 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:15pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Oh, I keep forgetting, President Teleprompter has nothing to hide, therefore nothing to prove, and just showing the real thing as a gesture of good faith would apparently be demeaning, and way too easy... I forget now, which hospital was it in Honolooloo that sissy said her bro was born at? Forget granny and auntie, that has to just be another hoax perpetrated by those nasty nirthers. Ho hum...

Huh?

782 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:19pm

re: #761 Gus 802

Sometimes it seems like he wants to lose everything. Almost like he's a "deconstructivist" of sorts.

Gus802 -

His entire upbringing and education has made our President a deconstructivist. He believes he will be the "one" to return the USA to its "Rightful Owners" - come what may.

-S-

783 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:25pm

re: #754 christmasghost

Honesty is always welcome as is dissent. The caveat being that both must be accompanied by some semblance of facts and not wild assertions and cooked up conspiracy theories. Let me ask you this question, have you been entirely honest in your responses here?

784 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:26pm

re: #768 Gus 802

Sensor detect an intruder in sector 766!

Rodger Gus. Firing for effect.

785 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:28pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

nasty nirthers..

Wrong adjective. Dopey will do.

786 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:38pm

re: #777 Lynn B.

Oh good. Christmas has a friend.

/or maybe a sock

Listen - I'm not interested in what it does with its sock

787 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:42:41pm

re: #773 Van Helsing

How many graduates of our fine education system know who Caligula (wasn't that a Penthouse pr0n flick) or Nero (CD burning software, right?) were and what they did?

I do, but then I was a student back when teaching history and a thirst for continuing one's education post graduation was the norm.

788 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #700 christmasghost

The a judge basically told a lawyer to get the out of my court room with your nutcase of a client and don't waste my time with this stupid crap again, kind of says I've looked at the “evidence” and you have a better chance of winning a case by going out and chasing ambulances then you do coming in front of me with this lame garbage you Nirther.

Hell did you even read the text of the post or did you just see the word Nirth and go into nirther slow blinking brain shutdown mode.

789 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:27pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Oh, I keep forgetting, President Teleprompter has nothing to hide, therefore nothing to prove, and just showing the real thing as a gesture of good faith would apparently be demeaning, and way too easy... I forget now, which hospital was it in Honolooloo that sissy said her bro was born at? Forget granny and auntie, that has to just be another hoax perpetrated by those nasty nirthers. Ho hum...

Is that your head or did your neck throw up?

790 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:36pm

re: #773 Van Helsing

How many graduates of our fine education system know who Caligula (wasn't that a Penthouse pr0n flick) or Nero (CD burning software, right?) were and what they did?

*raises hand* I know! I know!

But I didn't learn that in public school. I learned in college.

791 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:44pm

re: #770 Naso Tang

There, I up-dinged you for asking.

792 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:47pm

re: #769 MandyManners

All I know is that I smoked a fair amount of dope in my youth.

Mandy -

"Fair Amount" is subjective. What I know is that I DID inhale and DID enjoy it.

-S-

793 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:43:52pm

re: #776 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Thank you. You've got a great nic.

794 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:44:20pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Yes- everyone from his family to 45+ year old newspapers to public officials in Hawaii are just try to screw us over. [insert eye roll here]

795 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:44:26pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Oh, I keep forgetting, President Teleprompter has nothing to hide, therefore nothing to prove, and just showing the real thing as a gesture of good faith would apparently be demeaning, and way too easy... I forget now, which hospital was it in Honolooloo that sissy said her bro was born at? Forget granny and auntie, that has to just be another hoax perpetrated by those nasty nirthers. Ho hum...

I might be wrong but, I think you are a racist mohterfucker.

796 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:44:35pm

re: #781 MandyManners

Huh?

He's another nirther, Mandy. He showed up to reinforce his buddy. They can be banned together.

797 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:44:53pm

re: #795 MandyManners

I might be wrong but, I think you are a racist mohterfucker.

Motherfucker.

798 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:45:13pm

re: #780 pink freud

Local boy done good. We love him here. Kick ASS player.

I would drool to sit next to him on a plane!...another swamp guy I adore is Tommy Malone with the subdudes....just one hell of a guy, as is the rest of that band...but Tommy is pretty special with his friendliness

799 Stonemason  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:45:39pm

re: #773 Van Helsing

How many graduates of our fine education system know who Caligula (wasn't that a Penthouse pr0n flick) or Nero (CD burning software, right?) were and what they did?

Caligula was an insane Roman Emperor after senile Tiberius, Caligula was his grandson, Nero was too I think, not insane, an emperor.

800 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:45:43pm

re: #724 Neo Con since 9-11

please don't tell me you actually quoted factcheck.org?re: #728 MandyManners

well, a conservative can be many things can't they? some are fiscal only or social or all of the above. i have been a fiscal conservative all my life, and since i am 52 that is a bit of time. i think true conservatives believe in the constitution and small government.....something neither the GOP or the dems have been following for quite a while sadly.

801 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:45:50pm

I am a real aficionado of the terrier breed of canine. Knuckleheads all, but admirably persistent in their pursuit of what the hell ever grabs their attention.
Endless amusement. Always good for a laugh.

How ya doin' there Christmas? Are you havin' fun yet? That's a mighty fine hole your diggin' there!

802 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:46:20pm

NASA has SECO-2, and we have sicko-2 too.
Boy, things are really staying on track, aren't they?

803 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:46:20pm

re: #800 christmasghost

Do you realize that "normal" people laugh at you?

804 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:46:36pm

re: #792 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

"Fair Amount" is subjective. What I know is that I DID inhale and DID enjoy it.

-S-

What is unfolding is a Gramscian essay.

805 Macker  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:46:40pm

re: #766 Perfected Demo☭rat

There, fixed that for ya!

806 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:46:46pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Do you realize that "normal" people laugh at you?

what?...

807 wee fury  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:09pm

re: #773 Van Helsing

How many graduates of our fine education system know who Caligula (wasn't that a Penthouse pr0n flick) or Nero (CD burning software, right?) were and what they did?

Me. I believe their many nasty vices were due to extreme drunkenness.

808 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:15pm

re: #796 Dark_Falcon

He's another nirther, Mandy. He showed up to reinforce his buddy. They can be banned together.

That's not my call.

809 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #801 The Shadow Do

I am a real aficionado of the terrier breed of canine. Knuckleheads all, but admirably persistent in their pursuit of what the hell ever grabs their attention.
Endless amusement. Always good for a laugh.

How ya doin' there Christmas? Are you havin' fun yet? That's a mighty fine hole your diggin' there!

Can you get your terrier to start filling in the hole? Then we won't have to see cg's ugly troll mug.

810 Parker in US  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:17pm

re: #680 DEZes

If you deal with science every day, why are you too fucking stupid to use the reply feature?

ROF Stop I can't catch my breath!

811 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:40pm

re: #766 Perfected Democrat

Forget granny and auntie, that has to just be another hoax perpetrated by those nasty nirthers.


Get granny and auntie to testify. Even just get them to put their own statement, that Obama was born in Kenya, up on a weblog. Until then it's unsubstantiated hearsay

812 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:42pm

re: #806 albusteve

I'm just wondering if he understands (at least on some level) that he's nut.

813 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:57pm

re: #797 MandyManners

Motherfucker.

No, its just confused, when asked if he wanted *a bottle if front of me*
He thought they meant a frontal lobotomy.
/

814 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:47:58pm

re: #787 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #790 EmmmieG

Awww, you lot probably know the name of the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader, too.

Not like those clowns in that video.Duh... what?

815 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:48:12pm

re: #800 christmasghost

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

816 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:48:46pm

re: #779 Gus 802

Sorry, that was why. I guess you saw me doing it. I don't. Unless you were a WWII vet then its kosher.

So if I say Yank, is that an insult too? I sometimes call Pakistanis Pakis. It's just easier for a hunt and pecker. Let's remember that we are not supposed to be known for political correctness here....

Actually, I've noticed that links have a different criteria for "karma" opinions. A link about a jerkoff, whatever, might get negative dings, just because someone doesn't like the object in the link, not because they don't like the linker.

In a way that biases posting links about topics that people disagree with strongly, assuming we give a damn about karma.

817 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:48:49pm

re: #808 MandyManners

That's not my call.

I know, it's not mine either. But Charles has downdinged some of christmasghost's posts. So he is paying attention.

818 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:48:50pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

Karl Rove.

/Allegedly

819 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:18pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

It was the documentologists. They're time-travelers, too.

820 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:19pm

re: #788 jhrhv

The a judge basically told a lawyer to get the out of my court room with your nutcase of a client and don't waste my time with this stupid crap again, kind of says I've looked at the “evidence” and you have a better chance of winning a case by going out and chasing ambulances then you do coming in front of me with this lame garbage you Nirther.

Hell did you even read the text of the post or did you just see the word Nirth and go into nirther slow blinking brain shutdown mode.

Right. Specifically (for instance) ...

Because it appears that the complaint in this case may have been presented for an improper purpose such as to harass; and that the interpleader claims and other legal contentions of plaintiff are not warranted by existing law or by non-frivolous arguments for extending, modifying or reversing existing law or for establishing new law, the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway to show cause why he has not violated Rules 11 (b) (1) and 11 (b) (2) of the Federal rules of civil Procedure, and why he should not be required to pay reasonable attorneys fees and other expenses to counsel for the defendants.

821 gman  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

The ghost of christmas past?

822 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

Amiri Baraka

823 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:49:53pm

re: #819 jaunte

It was the documentologists. They're time-travelers, too.

Dan Rather?

824 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:50:17pm

re: #821 gman

The ghost of christmas past?

LOL!

825 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:50:24pm

re: #823 Van Helsing

Ah, the threads, they're Interwoven!

826 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:50:35pm

re: #822 EmmmieG

Amiri Baraka

I thought he blew up da owl. :)

827 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:50:55pm

re: #791 Gus 802

There, I up-dinged you for asking.

Jee wizz, you shouldn't have *blush*

828 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:50:55pm

Spacecraft separation in about 2 minutes.

/how about the trolls' ?

829 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:51:09pm
830 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:51:13pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

Who planted the 48 year old birth announcement in Hawaii's papers?

already asked and answered...........Rove, the incredible Alien bastard!

/waiting for the movie........

831 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:51:20pm

re: #788 jhrhv

oh my god! a judge said that...wow, stop the presses as we all know that all judges, though they are nothing more than a lawyer and a politician rolled up in a dress, are never wrong. ever ever ever.....
good grief!
this is logic? someone said it so it must be true?

832 little boomer  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:51:37pm

Ojackass of course inadvertently (or not) encourages the nirthers by being super-hyper-uber secretive of such potentially damaging information such as what his 3rd grade spelling grades were or when Michelle finally popped his cherry.

833 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:52:03pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

I'm just wondering if he understands (at least on some level) that he's nut.

there are 12 steps....

834 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:52:07pm

re: #831 christmasghost

oh my god! a judge said that...wow, stop the presses as we all know that all judges, though they are nothing more than a lawyer and a politician rolled up in a dress, are never wrong. ever ever ever.....
good grief!
this is logic? someone said it so it must be true?

Seriously ... check your meds.

835 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #828 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Spacecraft separation in about 2 minutes.

/how about the trolls' ?


The trolls were separated at birth, making them half witted.

836 Stonemason  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:52:36pm

re: #831 christmasghost

Sir, why was the birth announced in the Hawaii newspaper, and listed as happening in Hawaii?

Simple question, please answer it.

837 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:52:42pm

re: #831 christmasghost

So now the judiciary is in on the conspiracy too?

838 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:00pm

re: #816 Naso Tang

So if I say Yank, is that an insult too? I sometimes call Pakistanis Pakis. It's just easier for a hunt and pecker. Let's remember that we are not supposed to be known for political correctness here....

Actually, I've noticed that links have a different criteria for "karma" opinions. A link about a jerkoff, whatever, might get negative dings, just because someone doesn't like the object in the link, not because they don't like the linker.

In a way that biases posting links about topics that people disagree with strongly, assuming we give a damn about karma.

I don't want to get into a long drawn out discussion about this. OK, it's an abbreviation. All I'll say is how I see things in the world today and if you or anyone else says j-a-p it usually results in a great deal of consternation and accusations of racism. As I indicated before it's more acceptable perhaps in ordinary conversation with someone like "Hank Hill's father." It also will reflect badly on LGF. That's how I see it. People just don't use that word anymore.

839 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:04pm

re: #762 Sharmuta

There is nothing honest about denying reality.

And just what is reality?

We each see reality though our own mind/ears/eyes.

What is real? What is illusion? What is the truth and a lie?

I think I need a clue bat about now. Mandy!

840 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:06pm

re: #798 albusteve

yes! accordion, right? or am i thinking of someone else?

841 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:09pm

re: #800 christmasghost

re: #724 Neo Con since 9-11

please don't tell me you actually quoted factcheck.org?


Why yes I did. Factcheck is as far as I'm concerned a reasonably thorough org. Quote someone more reliable that agrees with your position. And look at the highly detailed copies of the certificate of live birth they have on their site.

842 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:13pm

re: #837 Sharmuta

So now the judiciary is in on the conspiracy too?

It's like an onion...
/

843 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:53:16pm

I think someone's daddy wanted Earl Warren impeached.

844 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:17pm

re: #829 Iron Fist

Another way to do it is get rid of Income Tax Witholding. Make them write a monthly check to the Federal Government for what they owe. No more tax "refunds", as they could adjust you payment schedual to guarantee no one overpays (which is where the "refund" comes from anyway).

One full election cycle of such a thing, and you could count on about 90% turnover. It sure would cut down pork.

Which is probably why they didn't drastically reduce withholding which would have been a real, immediate stimulus.

Can't have them taxpayers start to realize just how badly they're beeing screwed.

But hey, today was payday and I got an extra $11 a week! Net!111one!
I wonder when the carbon taxes kick in.

845 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:25pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

trout.....do you realize that "real" bikers think you are hilarious when you wear your make believe [but leather] lizard biker" jacket when you order lattes in S.F.?
good grief...are you for real? you are actually stating that you know what everyone is thinking?
how big is that crystal ball anyway?

846 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:32pm

re: #842 Bloodnok

It's like an onion...
/

The Onion.

847 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:40pm

re: #840 pink freud

yes! accordion, right? or am i thinking of someone else?

guitar....

848 3 wood  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:49pm

Good evening.

Well another week of Obama president, another major loss in the market.

For the record, the market is now down over 30% since the Messiah was elected and about 20% since he was sworn in. I've noticed that the worshipers of The One have now shifted to creating odd new economic theories to justify absolving The One from any blame for the destruction of wealth.

On the one hand, they believe deeply that raising taxes on carbon emissions will eliminate the production of carbon and thus save the panet from global warming.

On the other hand, the deny that raising taxes on dividends and capital gains has any negative impact on capital formation and the stock market.

You will be happy to know that left wing shill Bob Shrum says that the market only reacts to past events, and thus the market drop is still Bush's fault. He even said it with a straight face on the Chrissy Matthews show and Chrissy swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

The rally late today to get the market back even or slightly positive on the day should not be misinterpreted, it was just eh short sellers getting out of their risky positions for the weekend. They will be back pounding the market on Monday.

And it is now 3 weeks since Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner promised details on his bank plan. The absence of and details coming forth are proof that he has not a clue of what to do, thus the financial stocks got destroyed.

849 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #839 Bubblehead II

And just what is reality?

We each see reality though our own mind/ears/eyes.

What is real? What is illusion? What is the truth and a lie?

I think I need a clue bat about now. Mandy!

I'm not even sure I exist. I may be the figment of someone else's imagination and I'm just biding time before I'm called into action to help perpetrate a future fraud that only conspiracy theorists will be smart enough to figure out when it happens.

850 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:55:00pm

re: #832 little boomer

Ojackass of course inadvertently (or not) encourages the nirthers by being super-hyper-uber secretive of such potentially damaging information such as what his 3rd grade spelling grades were or when Michelle finally popped his cherry.

851 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:55:43pm

re: #850 Van Helsing

oops.

Keeps up a low level constant distraction from real issues.

852 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:55:51pm

re: #816 Naso Tang

So if I say Yank, is that an insult too? I sometimes call Pakistanis Pakis. It's just easier for a hunt and pecker. Let's remember that we are not supposed to be known for political correctness here....

Actually, I've noticed that links have a different criteria for "karma" opinions. A link about a jerkoff, whatever, might get negative dings, just because someone doesn't like the object in the link, not because they don't like the linker.

In a way that biases posting links about topics that people disagree with strongly, assuming we give a damn about karma.

"NT" -

I assume you are a subject of Her Britannic Majesty Elizabeth II - in which case calling me a "Yank" might just be a term of endearment. And I well understand that in the UK, an "oriental" might just be from Pakistan rather than China. It is our fate to share the "same" language separately and apart.

-S-

853 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:56:10pm

re: #831 christmasghost

Did you even read the decision? There is no reason to believe the judge did anything other than follow the evidence and the law.

854 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:56:16pm

re: #836 Stonemason

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

855 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:56:53pm

re: #843 jaunte

I think someone's daddy wanted Earl Warren impeached.

Up-ding for the subtle historical reference. I wonder if it knows about the hordes of ChiCom cavalry which are thundering across the frozen Bering Strait.

856 wee fury  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:00pm

For Caligula and Nero.

857 BlueCanuck  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:04pm

Evening all, just checking in and saw a troll in rampage/meltdown mode. How long has this spirit-past it's due date been choking on its undeniably stupid theories?

858 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:06pm

re: #845 christmasghost

trout.....do you realize that "real" bikers think you are hilarious when you wear your make believe [but leather] lizard biker" jacket when you order lattes in S.F.?
good grief...are you for real? you are actually stating that you know what everyone is thinking?
how big is that crystal ball anyway?

You do nothing to advance your point of view with this ridiculous blather.

859 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:23pm

re: #816 Naso Tang


Actually, I've noticed that links have a different criteria for "karma" opinions. A link about a jerkoff, whatever, might get negative dings, just because someone doesn't like the object in the link, not because they don't like the linker.

In a way that biases posting links about topics that people disagree with strongly, assuming we give a damn about karma.

I think it's unfortunate that people ding the content of spin-offs rather than the wisdom of posting them. You often see a link that has been downdinged a number of times because it describes some horrible event, while others are updinging it because it's a well written piece that brings an important issue to light. It makes the rating for the link pretty meaningless. Having said that, I've noticed that dings on spin-off links don't affect your karma.

860 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:31pm

re: #831 christmasghost

oh my god! a judge said that...wow, stop the presses as we all know that all judges, though they are nothing more than a lawyer and a politician rolled up in a dress, are never wrong. ever ever ever.....
good grief!
this is logic? someone said it so it must be true?

Is that vacuum in your head a danger to our atmosphere, I know how nature abhors a vacuum.

861 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:44pm

Yes! I have seen this ....

Subdude used to hang out on the LNDT's, he's showed this around.

862 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:47pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

Mercy Hospital, San Diego

/asshole

863 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:57:57pm

Biker throw-down at Starbucks, Aisle 845.............

OT, by the way, I was kicked out of jury selection today because I said "drug addicts can't be trusted".

864 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:58:05pm

re: #831 christmasghost

oh my god! a judge said that...wow, stop the presses as we all know that all judges, though they are nothing more than a lawyer and a politician rolled up in a dress, are never wrong. ever ever ever.....
good grief!
this is logic? someone said it so it must be true?

Wow . . . just wow. It has become readily apparent that you have little to no working knowledge of our government, the role that laws and judges play in that system, or the effects it may have on ordinary people like you and me (well . . at least me). You have a long way to go, but most of us started with the following, and I suggest it for you as well:
Schoolhouse Rock: How a bill becomes a law

865 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:58:06pm

re: #845 christmasghost

The crystal ball is big enough to shove up your ass. Big enough for you?

866 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:58:09pm

re: #767 OldLineTexan

Actually, I enjoy the books. They alleviate the boredom of the ride back home.

867 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:58:17pm

re: #800 christmasghost

please don't tell me you actually quoted factcheck.org?re: #728 MandyManners

well, a conservative can be many things can't they? some are fiscal only or social or all of the above. i have been a fiscal conservative all my life, and since i am 52 that is a bit of time. i think true conservatives believe in the constitution and small government.....something neither the GOP or the dems have been following for quite a while sadly.

What do you propose to do about this?

868 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:59:14pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?


Clark County Memorial!

869 Natasha  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:59:14pm

What the hell? So, according to nirthers, 48 years ago some eeeviiiil mastermind foresaw that newborn baby Barack was going to run for President someday and ensured the fake birth was falsely announced? This is utter bloody nonsense. In light of Obama's very real shortcomings, to pursue this absurdity is...well... absurd!

870 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:59:17pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

Stanford Hospital, Palo Alto

But I guarantee you my grandmother would need some prompting to remember that, and maybe two of my six siblings know it.

871 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:59:40pm
872 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 8:59:42pm

re: #854 christmasghost

I was born in Brussels Belgium. I know where I was born as does President Obama. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the theory you are chasing is bankrupt. BTW, you still haven't answered my previous question; have you been totally honest in your responses tonight?

873 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:00:17pm

re: #842 Bloodnok

If you peel open Zero you will find a mini Dick Cheney 1/8 the original size inside. His real mission is destroy the democratic party once and for all. These nirthers are going to ruin everything please stop them!

/

874 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:00:31pm

re: #836 Stonemason

Sir, why was the birth announced in the Hawaii newspaper, and listed as happening in Hawaii?

Simple question, please answer it.

I truly hate to say it, but I think christmasghost is a madam.

875 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:00:36pm

re: #861 pink freud

Yes! I have seen this ....

Subdude used to hang out on the LNDT's, he's showed this around.

don't know....I've posted that vid numerous times

876 Stonemason  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:00:48pm

re: #854 christmasghost

You've got to be kidding me, why the heck would a Hawaiian newspaper carry the birth announcement if he was not born in Hawaii? I really don't think the Philly Inquirer carried the announcement of my birth simply because my Grandparents lived in Philly. I didn't so the Daily Local News of West Chester carried the announcement.

So, since you answered my other question, tell me why the newspaper carried the announcement if he was not born in Hawaii?

877 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:00:54pm

I give up.

878 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

To any Canadian Lizards who were reading the newspaper in the Medicine Hat, Alberta area on 4/20/1974 I hope you enjoyed the announcement of my birth which occurred in New Hampshire. My family thought it would be a good idea in case I ever decided to run for Parliament there. I'm still mulling it over, by the way.
//

879 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:01:13pm

christmasghost's point about the hospital name is that 0bama doesn't know the answer while most of us do. It doesn't matter- it's circumstantial.

880 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:01:20pm

re: #795 MandyManners

I might be wrong but, I think you are a racist mohterfucke Murthafucker.

FTFY

881 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:01:59pm

re: #848 3 wood

So what? Today he said that he was going to put a stop to job losses. So, happy days are here again!

882 BlueCanuck  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:02:18pm

re: #872 Jetpilot1101

Oh, course it hasn't. From ad hominen attacks. Nirther talking points. Belittling of any fact that is handed to it. To top it off I don't believe it read the judges five page decsion where he went into the reason why the lawsuit was wrong, misleading, and using the wrong case laws to boot.

883 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:02:32pm

re: #874 Lynn B.

I truly hate to say it, but I think christmasghost is a madam.

You mean she has a stable of friendly women?

884 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:02:53pm

re: #879 Sharmuta

Right. I don't know the name of hospital I was born in. Just some vague reference to an "air force hospital" in BA.

885 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:02:58pm

re: #845 christmasghost

You stupid little cock-sucker, you should shut the fuck up.

886 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:05pm

re: #871 Iron Fist

Technically Obama is the "bastard", as his parent's weren't married when he was conceived (I wonder if he thinks that his mom should have been able to have an abortion rather than be punished with a baby). I wonder how much of his rage against America came about not from his being black, but from being a bastard in an age where bastardry was stil very much frowned on.

I'd say doing real, deep psychoanalysis would be fascinating. I wonder if he knows how fucked up he is, or does he keep that down in his subconcious. That's a bad idea if he hasn't faced his demons and gained a measure of serenity from them.

Don't forget mama was 17 at the conception......

887 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:17pm

re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mercy Hospital, San Diego

/asshole

"pBMb" -

Perth Amboy General Hospital ("PAGH") - in Perth Amboy, NJ. AND Sen. McCain was born in what is now Panama, and GEORGE Romney was born in Mexico. The way to undo the 2008 election is to WIN the 2010 and 2012 elections. Let's get cracking.

-S-

888 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:20pm

re: #875 albusteve

Are you playing in this video?

889 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:26pm

re: #867 MandyManners

vote against every single politician that voted fore any of this crap.....especially the RINOs.

890 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #838 Gus 802

I don't want to get into a long drawn out discussion about this. OK, it's an abbreviation. All I'll say is how I see things in the world today and if you or anyone else says j-a-p it usually results in a great deal of consternation and accusations of racism. As I indicated before it's more acceptable perhaps in ordinary conversation with someone like "Hank Hill's father." It also will reflect badly on LGF. That's how I see it. People just don't use that word anymore.

But it is interesting how these conventions (memes?) develop is it not? How does a simple abbreviation of a whole word become an insult? Is it because there were too many movies of WWII and now people would rather forget than remember what was once a common term, and what happened?

I've never understood how Paki became an insult either. If one wants to actually insult it is easy to add more color without being coy about it, when supposedly everyone understands the abbreviation as being bad.

There are plenty of words available for insults. What makes a simple abbreviation an insult?

891 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:03:45pm

Fire has never melted steel and Nirth Certifikit haz never been eated!

892 BlueCanuck  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:04:08pm

re: #879 Sharmuta

Those of us who paid attention, and thought it important remembered. Then there are my brothers that were born at home. Sometimes it just isn't worth the bother.

893 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:04:41pm

re: #891 Killgore Trout

Fire has never melted steel and Nirth Certifikit haz never been eated!

Killgore, you have a motorcycle and a Lizard jacket? You damn lucky. Me wish I had one.

894 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:05:03pm

Well Lizards, it's way past my bedtime and I need my sleep. I leave Christmasghost in your very capable hands. Would you all mind saving me some gamey buttocks?

Cheers, JP1101

895 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:05:10pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

Mcgee Hospital, Pittsburgh, PA

/not that it's any of your business...

896 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:05:42pm

re: #889 christmasghost

vote against every single politician that voted fore any of this crap.....especially the RINOs.

Um, that would technically be illegal. See, a lot of those RINO's are US Senators and Congresscritters. To vote against every single one of them, you would have to vote in multiples states.

You only get to vote in one.

/Deceased Chicago Democrats exempted, and allowed to vote on Mars, if necessary.

897 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:05:50pm

re: #874 Lynn B.

nope, i'm just a missus, haven't gone pro just yet.LOL.

898 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:06:06pm

Nirther Liars Checklist

The staffs of the Hawaiian newspapers in 1961
The officials at Hawaiian Vital Statistics offices
Fact Check dot Org
The President and his family
The DNC

899 little boomer  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:06:12pm

The One should still show us his health records.

900 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:06:17pm

re: #888 pink freud

Are you playing in this video?

no...haha...I'm a fan...I have partied with the subdudes several times...I'm just plain old albusteve...

901 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #898 Sharmuta

Nirther Liars Checklist

The staffs of the Hawaiian newspapers in 1961
The officials at Hawaiian Vital Statistics offices
Fact Check dot Org
The President and his family
The DNC

buncha' lattr sippers in dresses...
/

902 Stonemason  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:02pm

re: #897 christmasghost

nope, i'm just a missus, haven't gone pro just yet.LOL.

Since you are a missus, I apologize for the earlier sir that was presumptuous of me.

903 jhrhv  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:06pm

re: #854 christmasghost

My mother told me what hospital I was born in I don't really remember it happening that way although personally I've always believed her. My grandmother and sister never confirmed her story. HMMMM!

904 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:13pm

re: #890 Naso Tang

Frankly, I don't know how "Paki" became an insult either. But that's just from my own experience. The word in question was very popular in WWII and it wasn't always with the same definition in mind. It's also used by many people in a non-threatening way by many people. It's just that I see it as a convention not to use it in public conversation -- which is not to say that I use it in private conversation.

How it evolved into an insult is beyond my knowledge.

905 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:28pm

re: #852 Dr. Shalit

"NT" -

I assume you are a subject of Her Britannic Majesty Elizabeth II -...........

Oh dear. I suppose I need to add AMERICAN to my bio. Admittedly it hasn't always been so, long ago, so I guess it's my accent that confuses you, but I forgive.

906 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:31pm

re: #899 little boomer

The One should still show us his health records.

and school records....he's hiding

907 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:07:33pm

re: #900 albusteve

Nothing plain about a man who's craft is creating art in wood. :-)

908 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #889 christmasghost

vote against every single politician that voted fore any of this crap.....especially the RINOs.

Go lick Soros' balls.

909 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:08:18pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?


A question for my amazing friend, why would a Hawaiian newspaper announce the birth of a foreign child of absolute nobodies?
Have you ever tried to cut your wrists with akums razor?

910 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:08:52pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

Swedish Hospital, Seattle, Washington State, U.S.A, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe.

911 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:09:07pm

re: #897 christmasghost

Holy crap! Your blog shows you really are a nut. You're a freaking extremist radical nut at that.

912 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:09:58pm

re: #889 christmasghost

vote against every single politician that voted fore any of this crap.....especially the RINOs.

I don't consider myself a nihilist in the pure sense of the word, but I will admit I recently have started to adopt some level of nihilism in my personal philosophy.

And it may do this country some good if more of John Q. Public started to consider adding a little nihilism to the mix. It’s healthy, in my opinion. I think our love affair with this political party or that political party should be over. Yes, it feels good to be behind the winner, or work earnestly for the loser and turn the country
around, but in my opinion, that task has become similar to chasing rainbows.

Sure, down here in the trenches, it feels really good to think that we are fulfilling all of those democratic principles by working for this candidate or that candidate, but that is only an exercise designed to keep us occupied and busy. We know that special interest groups, Pac’s and big business donates funds to both sides
of competing political thoughts. Well, why the hell do you think they do that?

Because, in that way, they are going to have their hand up that politicians rear, pulling the strings, no matter what party that politician comes from. Meanwhile, the real power brokers (who, let me give you a clue, are not us) are playing us for fools. And no, I'm not talking about the One World Order bull, I'm talking about
the fact that our politicians are the bag men for the special interest lobby.

It doesn't take some deeply entrenched conspiracy to make this all work. There’s not some multi-webbed clandestine plan to take over the world. It’s much more simple than that. Big business will do anything to advance their empire, and we are simply the money
producing fodder for their addiction.

Big business wants to make big money, at any expense, and they don't care who they steamroll in that quest. We know this, we feel this, we hope it's not true, but we know it is.

What can we do. Vote as many of them out as we can. Look at the ballots. If there is a freshman politician looking for a seat in Washington, vote for that person. If there are two incumbents on the ballot, check out their tenure in DC and vote for the one that has been there the shortest amount of time. Do this across party lines. Our battle is not partisan, it is against the whole entrenched system.

We can't stop this in one fell swoop, and the new blood that we send to DC may have to be removed later by us, but we can punch enough holes in their system to slow them down. Sort of political speed bumps. And after we slow them down, then maybe we can
work on real change. The incumbents need to be fired.

Until then, while we keep playing partisan games, we are playing right into their hands, giving them all the room they need to continue to screw us. A little nihilism, think about it.

913 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:09:58pm

Nice video on your site christmasghost.

914 3 wood  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:10:22pm

re: #881 The Shadow Do

So I heard. Somehow, I'm not getting the good vibe from the market though.


Also the TED spread, which measures the riskiness of banks lending to other banks jumped this past week. Long story short, Geithner's apparent brain damage has caused the banks to start bleeding to death again.

don;t be surprised if you see another major bank go belly-up next week, and you can directly blame Obama, Geithner and FDIC chair Blair for causing it. We had a major run on the banks this seek due to Blair saying some real dumb things and causing a panic.

915 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:10:34pm

re: #899 little boomer

The One should still show us his health records.

Not until the Rush Limbaugh diversion is used up.

916 christmasghost  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:10:34pm

re: #879 Sharmuta

thank you...that was my point.
and you cannot compare hawaii to any other U.S. state [or canada] in the cert. department because their laws were screwy to say the least..... my sister was born in libya and their laws weren't half as weird.

917 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:11pm

re: #916 christmasghost

You're a freaker.

918 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:14pm

re: #910 FurryOldGuyJeans

Swedish Hospital, Seattle, Washington State, U.S.A, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe.

Ya sure, Ya betcha'

919 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:16pm

re: #911 Sharmuta

Holy crap! Your blog shows you really are a nut. You're a freaking extremist radical nut at that.

I'll take your word for that, and thereby allow myself to say goodnight earlier.

Goodnight and good hunting to Kepler :=)

(it's an in joke)

920 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:24pm

That is completely enough out of "christmasghost."

921 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:24pm

re: #907 pink freud

Nothing plain about a man who's craft is creating art in wood. :-)

I rock...therefore I am....life has been very interesting for me, and I have enjoyed it immensely...as far as 'art' other people said that not me...I'm pretty ordinary

922 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:37pm

re: #890 Naso Tang

It's all down to the history of usage of the word. For example, 'Paki' is a term of abuse because it was used that way by racist thugs for a long time. I still often see walls with 'Pakis out' graffiti on them. It's now a recognised term of abuse.

There was an instance a few years ago when the term 'Pakis' was used on Sky tv during their cricket coverage. It appeared on screen next to the scoreline, simply because their display set up had space for five characters for each team, and showed the first five letters of each country that was playing. This meant that Pakistan became 'Pakis'. That's not how a lot of Pakistani cricket fans saw it though. I think after that they made an exception and shortened it further to just 'Pak'.

923 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:49pm

re: #854 christmasghost
this link is right up your ally.
Turtles

924 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:52pm

re: #903 jhrhv

My mother told me what hospital I was born in I don't really remember it happening that way although personally I've always believed her. My grandmother and sister never confirmed her story. HMMMM!

While I was in the Navy, and in San Diego during an in-port, I went to Mercy Hospital and spoke with a clerk and a nurse. They could not say that they remembered my birth there, 21-odd years before. I've always thought that they were lying.

/

925 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:11:59pm

re: #897 christmasghost

nope, i'm just a missus, haven't gone pro just yet.LOL.

Ooops.

mad-am (mad'uhm) n. pl.
1. (often cap.) a respectful term of address
to a woman.

Sorry. My mistake.

926 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:12:23pm

re: #905 Naso Tang

Oh dear. I suppose I need to add AMERICAN to my bio. Admittedly it hasn't always been so, long ago, so I guess it's my accent that confuses you, but I forgive.

"NT" -

No Problemo Amigo - time for me to say "Nytol."

-S-

927 3 wood  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:12:27pm

Time to hit the hay.

Have a good night, all.

928 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:01pm

That one will be much happier at AS.

929 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:07pm

re: #927 3 wood

Thanks again for your report.

930 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:12pm

re: #913 Sharmuta

Nice video on your site christmasghost.

I was looking over his/her/it's blog. I smell a bigot and racist. Hey christmasghost, what is your opinion about mixed marriages, let's say a black man and a white woman?

Simple question, simple answer please.

931 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:24pm

re: #912 Walter L. Newton

well said...I have renewed confidence

932 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:28pm

re: #920 Charles

That is completely enough out of "christmasghost."

Guess she fished her wish.

/she worked at it hard enough...

933 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:46pm
934 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:57pm

I was born in "da hood".

/so I'm working on my own conspiracy........

935 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #930 Walter L. Newton

There won't be any more answers from that one. I took a look at that blog too.

936 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #930 Walter L. Newton

I was looking over his/her/it's blog. I smell a bigot and racist. Hey christmasghost, what is your opinion about mixed marriages, let's say a black man and a white woman?

Simple question, simple answer please.

He would if he could no doubt, but alas. . .it he's blocked

937 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:14:01pm

re: #925 Lynn B.

Sorry. My mistake.


LOL!

938 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:14:31pm

re: #930 Walter L. Newton

christmasghost has been hit with the mute button.

939 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:14:35pm

re: #923 DEZes

this link is right up your ally.
Turtles

Turtles carry a round earth!
Repent or be cast off the south end of an infinite stack of north bound turtles into an infinite pile of turtle doo!

;-)

940 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:14:47pm

re: #935 Charles

There won't be any more answers from that one. I took a look at that blog too.

Really creepy stuff.

941 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:14:58pm

re: #916 christmasghost

thank you...that was my point.
and you cannot compare hawaii to any other U.S. state [or canada] in the cert. department because their laws were screwy to say the least..... my sister was born in libya and their laws weren't half as weird.

I asked you up-thread for citations of Hawaiian statute re birth registration circa 1961. You haven't provided them. You are blowing this stuff out your left nostril.

942 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:12pm

re: #931 albusteve

well said...I have renewed confidence

I've posted that essay before. I wrote it before the election. I was just trying to confuse CG. But I see that Charles has taken care of that.

Thanks for the compliment.

943 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:12pm

Oh, Christmasghost, we hardly knew ye!

Thankfully.

944 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:34pm

re: #912 Walter L. Newton

I don't know if I'd call it nihilism. I had a wierd experience at dinner tonite. We were dining at a nice-ish restaurant in a prosperous community. The clientele was diverse and all was good.

I suddenly thought about the people in Europe who were doing the same thing before WWII and in a few months, it was all gone. The restaurant, the city, the prosperity, many of the people they loved. Everything had changed. Because of one man and a citizenry that let him.

It was an eerie feeling.

945 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #916 christmasghost

Charles, please ban this asshole. His blog is nasty.

946 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:44pm
947 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:46pm

re: #935 Charles

There won't be any more answers from that one. I took a look at that blog too.

Yep.

948 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:15:59pm

re: #913 Sharmuta

Nice video on your site christmasghost.

ROFL!

949 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:16:27pm

re: #939 JCM
EEEEEK!
Do the turtles have tungsten carbide backs to support that massive ball bearing?

950 Stonemason  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:16:29pm

re: #916 christmasghost

thank you...that was my point.
and you cannot compare hawaii to any other U.S. state [or canada] in the cert. department because their laws were screwy to say the least..... my sister was born in libya and their laws weren't half as weird.

You still have not shown us the statutes you are talking about.

951 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:16:37pm

re: #891 Killgore Trout

Fire has never melted steel and Nirth Certifikit haz never been eated!

The 7th tower wasn't blown up by the US government.
The walk on the moon wasn't filmed in Hollywood.
Paul is not dead.

952 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:16:37pm

re: #935 Charles

There won't be any more answers from that one. I took a look at that blog too.

Disgusting, creepy, and revolting, all rolled up into one indigestible mess.

953 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:16:52pm

re: #944 ggt

I don't know if I'd call it nihilism. I had a wierd experience at dinner tonite. We were dining at a nice-ish restaurant in a prosperous community. The clientele was diverse and all was good.

I suddenly thought about the people in Europe who were doing the same thing before WWII and in a few months, it was all gone. The restaurant, the city, the prosperity, many of the people they loved. Everything had changed. Because of one man and a citizenry that let him.

It was an eerie feeling.

Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome!
Fremde, etranger, stranger.
Gluklich zu sehen, je suis enchante,
Happy to see you, bleibe, reste, stay.

Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome
Im Cabaret, au Cabaret, to Cabaret

954 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:29pm

re: #935 Charles

There won't be any more answers from that one. I took a look at that blog too.

Thank you, Charles. That was a particularly nasty troll.

955 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:41pm

re: #949 DEZes

EEEEEK!
Do the turtles have tungsten carbide backs to support that massive ball bearing?

Oh yea of little faith!

956 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:42pm
957 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:17:57pm

re: #916 christmasghost

thank you...that was my point.
and you cannot compare hawaii to any other U.S. state [or canada] in the cert. department because their laws were screwy to say the least..... my sister was born in libya and their laws weren't half as weird.

Was your sister's birth announced in a Hawaii newspaper?

958 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:18:19pm

NASA's satellite sep'd.
So did christmasturkey.

959 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:18:32pm

re: #954 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Charles. That was a particularly nasty troll.

To nasty to flambe, feed it too the wolves.

960 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:18:33pm

re: #946 MandyManners

major moonbat, but I LOVE that song.

961 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:18:40pm
962 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:20:12pm

re: #957 NJDhockeyfan

Was your sister's birth announced in a Hawaii newspaper?

My birth was the front page......


Okay, very small town and I was the grandson of the preacher of the biggest church in town......

963 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:20:19pm

On dial up here...what video is on his website?

964 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:20:54pm

I imagine Obama having this same conversation with his 4 yo grandson years in the future. Grandson sitting on his lap.
Baby Obama-Grampy why do people say you is not really Amewican?
Obama-Because I wouldn't release the original copy of my birth certificate 20 years ago.
Baby Obama- But why wouldn't release it?
Obama- Because it made the Repuplicans seem like crazy people
Baby Obama- Why would you want Repupwicans to seem like cwazy people?
Obama- Because they think crazy people will do dangerous things.
Baby Obama- and why would it make the Repuwicans seem cwazy?
Obama- rubs templesBecause I had all the evidence needed to prove I am an American and they had none to prove I wasn't.
Baby Obama- Than why did they say you weren't
Obama- Go outside and play in the street for me. I need a drink.

965 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:20:56pm

Well good evening/morning (Eastern Time) to y'all! Are we still on this story?

966 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:21:08pm

OK vets, I asked earlier, but everyone was busy with the launch.
What are some very good documentaries on the Vietnam war?
On DVD preferably.
Thanks.

967 esch  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:22:18pm

re: #829 Iron Fist

Another way to do it is get rid of Income Tax Witholding. Make them write a monthly check to the Federal Government for what they owe. No more tax "refunds", as they could adjust you payment schedual to guarantee no one overpays (which is where the "refund" comes from anyway).

One full election cycle of such a thing, and you could count on about 90% turnover. It sure would cut down pork.

Which is exactly why it'll never happen.

I can attest to the horrific nature of our tax system.

968 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:23:14pm

It's late.
I'm going to hit the sack.

969 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:23:23pm

re: #849 Sharmuta

I'm not even sure I exist. I may be the figment of someone else's imagination and I'm just biding time before I'm called into action to help perpetrate a future fraud that only conspiracy theorists will be smart enough to figure out when it happens.

And with this, I retire from the field.

Mandy, where is the *whack* to send me to bed.

Sharm..............................

Welome to my world

970 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:24:08pm

re: #959 DEZes

To nasty to flambe, feed it too the wolves.

Agreed. I'm going to pile on more charcoal and burn this troll's remains to ashes. Once he's powder, I'll flush the power down the toilet.

971 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:24:21pm
972 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:24:58pm
973 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #970 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. I'm going to pile on more charcoal and burn this troll's remains to ashes. Once he's powder, I'll flush the power down the toilet.


I stand corrected, why poison the wolves? ;)

974 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:26:10pm

re: #963 NJDhockeyfan

On dial up here...what video is on his website?

Military Joining The American Resistance To Protect The Constitution

Paranoia runs deep. Even if they are out to get you.

/and he's a she...

975 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:26:48pm

re: #971 Radicchio ad Absurdum

OT: Oh brother . . .

Hizbullah: 'If Britain wants a dialogue, it'll have to be public'

The proper answer: "You may dialogue with our Laser Guided Bombs, they'll be reaching you right about now."

976 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:26:55pm

re: #974 Lynn B.

He may be pretending to be a she.

977 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:27:21pm

re: #975 Dark_Falcon

The proper answer: "You may dialogue with our Laser Guided Bombs, they'll be reaching you right about now."

Wouldn't that be refreshing

978 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:28:41pm

re: #972 Iron Fist

I'd forgot that little special snowflake. Of course, I'm not really one to talk about that. When I was 19 I dated a 15 year old girl, technically (or at least arguably) Stat Rape which is, I presume the point.

The chich I was with was the daughter of an Independant who had friends in the Outlaws. If he'd have had a problem with me dating his daughter, the cops would be the last concern on my mind. He was fixing to get some serious time on coke charges. He could have decided if he had to go, might as well go all the way.

I never understood why her parents were happy to see me with her, but they were. Anyway, Obama's mama was below the age of consent and his father was of an age that the police really take notice of that, but he's dead, and so is she, so there really isn't anything productive to be gained by making an issue of it.

The only reason I ever made note of it was the (D)s going after Bristol Palin. Otherwise it would have been of no interest to me.

979 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:02pm

Yep.

980 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:31pm

re: #975 Dark_Falcon

The proper answer: "You may dialogue with our Laser Guided Bombs, they'll be reaching you right about now."

wtf does Hez and Hamas have an audience with Britain and France etc?...mooches looking to cop in on the 'peace process' ....what a bunch of whores

981 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:37pm

re: #966 DEZes

OK vets, I asked earlier, but everyone was busy with the launch.
What are some very good documentaries on the Vietnam war?
On DVD preferably.
Thanks.


Charles, anyone?

982 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:38pm

re: #966 DEZes Well it's pretty close to being a documentary "Dear America: Letters Home From Vietnam" produced by HBO and, afaik, available at least on VHS.
Based on the book of the same name*, it is a chronological recitation of the war as seen throught the eyes of the troops who fought it and then wrote home to their loved ones and friends about it. It is NOT a history of the Vietnam War, nor does it purport to be. It's "just" the reading of the letters in the book, with video provided by Armed Forces and by the major TV networks at the time. It is IMO, a truly great film and was nominated for Best Documentary Film in, iirc, 1986 or 1987 at the Academy Awards.

*Fair notice, I had a minor role in editing the letters and snippets of poems in the book.

983 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:49pm

re: #971 Radicchio ad Absurdum

OT: Oh brother . . .

Hizbullah: 'If Britain wants a dialogue, it'll have to be public'

I think any talks should be public. In fact, they should be recorded and the recordings made public. I'd like to hear what the British anti-Semites are saying to the Arab Jew-haters.
If they don't want it heard, then they shouldn't talk.

984 little boomer  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:29:53pm

The Obama birth cert. controversy distracts us from "Why won't this socialist divulge his information to us like any other POTUS would? question.

985 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:00pm

re: #979 MandyManners

Uh-huh.

986 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:23pm

re: #980 albusteve

wtf does Hez and Hamas have an audience with Britain and France etc?...mooches looking to cop in on the 'peace process' ....what a bunch of whores

14 billion reasons?

987 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:35pm

re: #966 DEZes

OK vets, I asked earlier, but everyone was busy with the launch.
What are some very good documentaries on the Vietnam war?
On DVD preferably.
Thanks.

Vietnam - A Television History

Heart of Darkness: The Vietnam War Chronicles 1945-1975

988 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:39pm

BTW, christmasghost melted down at post #916 (her last before Charles booted her). Did anyone pick anything near 916 for the first meltdown?

989 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:39pm

First two camels in a car.
Then a dancing camel.

Now camel v. car.....

car loses.....

990 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:30:47pm

re: #975 Dark_Falcon

The proper answer: "You may dialogue with our Laser Guided Bombs, they'll be reaching you right about now."

How about the smart bombs in Dark Star? (Did anyone else see that movie?)

991 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:31:40pm

re: #893 Walter L. Newton

Killgore, you have a motorcycle and a Lizard jacket? You damn lucky. Me wish I had one.

I think he's fallen for another debunked myth about an old pic of Iron Fist that has been attributed to me.

992 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:32:39pm

re: #990 Kosh's Shadow

How about the smart bombs in Dark Star? (Did anyone else see that movie?)

Yes. I think I did.
I inhaled in my youth.
Did it have an alien that looked like a beach ball? And a bomb with an existential crisis?

993 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:33:18pm

re: #991 Killgore Trout

I think he's fallen for another debunked myth about an old pic of Iron Fist that has been attributed to me.

I have the back patch, and the shoulder patch.

994 Perfected Democrat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:33:25pm

You're right, why spend 10 bucks to produce the real thing when you can spend a gazillion dollars for lawyers to avoid it? Especially when everybody knows a Certificate of Live Birth is identical to a blah, blah, blah.... True enough auntie and grannie are only heresay, but in Kenya, where cousin Odinga's buddies are known to burn people alive, posting anything contrary can be a problem... and I will concede that EmmmieG may have a legitimate point about the memory thing, though in a case with this notoriety.... It's called reasonable doubt, too bad transparency only applies to other people...

995 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:34:19pm

re: #991 Killgore Trout

I think he's fallen for another debunked myth about an old pic of Iron Fist that has been attributed to me.

Accepting as Gospel debunked myths seems to be their specialty.

996 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:34:27pm

The bug light is still on.

997 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:34:36pm

re: #974 Lynn B.

Military Joining The American Resistance To Protect The Constitution

Paranoia runs deep. Even if they are out to get you.

/and he's a she...

They don't truss the gubbermin. Probly don't take too kindly to strangers poking their nose aroun' an discussin their business neither.

998 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:34:40pm

re: #982 realwest

Thanks thats a start.
I bought what was supposed to be a documentary at Wall Mart, it turned out to be a four disk set of old military propaganda films, 23 hours of them.
I want red meat if you will, not pillow talk.
Again thanks.

999 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:34:47pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

He did produce his BC. It's a certified copy and it's legally recognized as proof of birth.

1000 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:35:10pm

re: #992 Van Helsing

Yes. I think I did.
I inhaled in my youth.
Did it have an alien that looked like a beach ball? And a bomb with an existential crisis?

Yes, and yes.

1001 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #995 FurryOldGuyJeans

Some people will believe anything written on the internet.

1002 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:35:19pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

You're right, why spend 10 bucks to produce the real thing when you can spend a gazillion dollars for lawyers to avoid it? Especially when everybody knows a Certificate of Live Birth is identical to a blah, blah, blah.... True enough auntie and grannie are only heresay, but in Kenya, where cousin Odinga's buddies are known to burn people alive, posting anything contrary can be a problem... and I will concede that EmmmieG may have a legitimate point about the memory thing, though in a case with this notoriety.... It's called reasonable doubt, too bad transparency only applies to other people...

Wow . . . Another Benjamin Cardozo here.

1003 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:35:20pm

re: #993 Noam Sayin'

I have the back patch, and the shoulder patch.

pffft...I have the forehead tattoo....just opposite of Washington crossing the Delaware....stand aside

1004 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:35:53pm

Good night all and I hope to type to you tomorrow.

Irionfist ......................................................

/You sure your first name isn't Carl?

1005 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:36:20pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

Oh, brother! Here we go again. He did produce a certified legal document proving he was born in Hawaii. I don't like Obama, but he's as much a citizen as I am (born in Chicago).

1006 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:36:25pm

re: #1001 Killgore Trout

Some people will believe anything written on the internet.

It's true. I once read somewhere something about how you stink.

1007 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:36:34pm
1008 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:36:41pm

re: #933 Iron Fist

You've got to know they are coming. Carbon taxes and hyperinflation are going to be fine ingrediants in a big, stinking bowl (or bowel) of toxic malaise that we can keep drinking from for at least the next four years. He's going to get things so badly fucked that it will take us decades, maybe even generations to fix.

I doubt it will be fixed in my lifetime. We still suffer from FDR. This jackass is destroying the country. Today I was talking to my broker. A pretty mild mannered guy. He actually was advocating some type of revolution and a removal of "The One". I did point out we would end up with slow Joe and he thought perhaps he just needed to drink more.

1009 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:37:03pm

re: #996 jaunte

The bug light is still on.

Yep, but the clue meter is still reading Zero.

1010 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:37:10pm

re: #983 Kosh's Shadow
I couldn't agree with you more.

1011 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:37:16pm

re: #1006 Sharmuta

It's true. I once read somewhere something about how you stink.

ahahahaha....is that true?...it could be

1012 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:38:05pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

Provide a theory and some proof of it and we will look. No one has been able to do those two things. Until then you are on the same level as a troofer or black helicopter alarmist.

1013 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:38:06pm

re: #1006 Sharmuta

It's true. I once read somewhere something about how you stink.


*SOAP*

1014 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #1011 albusteve

KT knows I jest.

1015 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:39:42pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

And your proof to make such claims is?

1016 VioletTiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:06pm

Good evening all.
I can't believe there are still nirthers.
Truly the energizer bunnies of kookiness.

1017 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:17pm

Well I need my beauty sleep, Trust me I really need it.
Night all.

1018 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:19pm

Killgore (and others) - in case you havent seen this, it's the latest kitten epic from rathergood.com

1019 Perfected Democrat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:27pm

"why would a Hawaiian newspaper announce the birth of a foreign child of absolute nobodies?"

In those days it would have cost the proud parents and grandparents about 2 bucks for the announcement, just so their friends and acquaintances would know... Duh....

1020 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:35pm

re: #1014 Sharmuta

KT knows I jest.

has it been proven he doesn't stink....I smell a fish

1021 Gus  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:37pm

OK, I watched the video mentioned above. Kind of strange with that death mask. Sort of brought back memories of Timothy McVeigh and similar ilk. I'm sure they have their "followers."

1022 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:44pm

re: #1015 FurryOldGuyJeans

And your proof to make such claims is?

Nirthers need no proof, they have the troof!

1023 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:40:54pm

re: #1007 DEZes

Thats the meat, thanks.

I borrowed both from the local library and found them interesting.

1024 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:41:34pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

And the fact that the Hawaii officials in the Vital Statistics office verified they have the original on hand in the vault?

1025 esch  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:42:17pm

re: #1022 Dark_Falcon

Nirthers need no proof, they have the troof!

The Troof of the Nirth.

Sounds like a cheesy 80's scifi flick.

1026 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:42:49pm

re: #1008 Aviator

I doubt it will be fixed in my lifetime. We still suffer from FDR. This jackass is destroying the country. Today I was talking to my broker. A pretty mild mannered guy. He actually was advocating some type of revolution and a removal of "The One". I did point out we would end up with slow Joe and he thought perhaps he just needed to drink more.

I have a delusion that perhaps, just perhaps the extreme social policies Obama is pushing (essentially EU style socialism) will wake up enough people to force our government to get back to something a little closer to what the Constitution defines.

As I said, it's just a delusion.
I've got a real bad feeling about the next 20 years.

1027 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:42:51pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

And your proof that this was simply a paid notification is what?

1028 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:43:05pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

"why would a Hawaiian newspaper announce the birth of a foreign child of absolute nobodies?"

In those days it would have cost the proud parents and grandparents about 2 bucks for the announcement, just so their friends and acquaintances would know... Duh....


And why would those proud family members fucking waste the money on a basterd child?
Do you drink bong water or fucking inhale it asshat?

1029 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:44:05pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

Why would they have published the anou...

Scratch that. I'm not going to argue with a nirther. I'm just going to say

GAZE

1030 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:44:07pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

Lookee here! Lookee here Perfect! Nirth cert, all rolled up....sniff it, wag your tail, jump up and down......Fetch Perfect, Fetch!

*closes car door and drives away*

1031 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:44:22pm

Wow .. did I just miss the descent of the Trollhammer from Asgard? Wiping the Nirther smile from a certain ghost?

I'm out for 5 hours .. and all the trolls show up for hammer fun. No fair.

1032 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:06pm

Nirthers, nirthers croaking in the nght
Nirthers, nirthers croaking in the night
And there's no silence in the night

1033 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:07pm

re: #998 DEZes You are quite welcome. But in case you didn't see it, at #987
FurryOldGuyJeans listed two others as well.
I am, naturally, inclined to "Dear America" but I'm curious as to why you want to see a documentary on the Vietnam War?

1034 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:10pm

re: #976 jaunte

He may be pretending to be a she.

Could be. But if so, he's been pretending for a few years now. As others have already noted, her blog is a real piece of work.

Gotta go now.

Bloodnok ... thanks for the old Genesis videos! Made my evening.

1035 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:13pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

Wow .. did I just miss the descent of the Trollhammer from Asgard? Wiping the Nirther smile from a certain ghost?

I'm out for 5 hours .. and all the trolls show up for hammer fun. No fair.

You are just in time for a fresh game of whack -a-troll. A new one just showed up.

1036 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:35pm

re: #1027 FurryOldGuyJeans

And your proof that this was simply a paid notification is what?

What, assertion != truth for you?

1037 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:47pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

To imitate Mandy"
PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF "

1038 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:45:56pm

re: #533 DEZes

Its really gonna piss em off when they find out that the Aliens never heard of Mohamed. :)

There's an anthology of Jewish science fiction short stories, Wandering Stars, containing a short story called "On Venus Have We Got A Rabbi". Part of the backstory is that aliens have landed on earth, become Muslims, decided that all human Muslims are heretics, and have kicked all the humans out of Israel. Hence, Venus. Which is OK, except for the anti-Semitism, and the food shortages, and also the fact that a Galactic Zionist Conference is taking place in the hero's home burrow, and his son has invited these weird alien Jews who look like couch pillows to live in the bathtub while it's going on.

Check it out. Excellent work.

1039 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:46:11pm

re: #1035 Radicchio ad Absurdum

You are just in time for a fresh game of whack -a-troll. A new one just showed up.

Oh goody .. and he's a Democrat too !

1040 albusteve  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:46:44pm

re: #1029 Dark_Falcon

Why would they have published the anou...

Scratch that. I'm not going to argue with a nirther. I'm just going to say

GAZE

wise....you only have so many heartbeats, why waste them?

1041 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:46:56pm

re: #1026 Van Helsing

I have a delusion that perhaps, just perhaps the extreme social policies Obama is pushing (essentially EU style socialism) will wake up enough people to force our government to get back to something a little closer to what the Constitution defines.

As I said, it's just a delusion.
I've got a real bad feeling about the next 20 years.

Point made in a WSJ article today is that his schemes will put 50% of the population in a 0% tax bracket. Once the takers outnumber the producers there will never be any going back. America as we have known it will be finished and that miserable cocksucker will be happy.

1042 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:47:05pm

re: #1023 FurryOldGuyJeans

I borrowed both from the local library and found them interesting.


The liabrary never crossed my mind, but then again I almost always buy what videos I want.
Thanks for the help.

1043 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:47:13pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

Wow .. did I just miss the descent of the Trollhammer from Asgard? Wiping the Nirther smile from a certain ghost?

I'm out for 5 hours .. and all the trolls show up for hammer fun. No fair.

Well Perfected Democrat is still here. You can have some fun wailing on him. I've finished cremating the last troll so now I can get on with roasting this one. Don't worry, there should still be some Gamey Buttocks for you.

1044 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:47:33pm

Whoever hatched the "0"/fake cert' conspiracy would be well into their 90s by now.
And the possibility of holding such a plan together without one leak for 47 years is unbelievable. Handlers all over the world?
If you want to believe this is, I honestly suggest proffesional psychiatric help.
This is delusional thinking. Nothing else.

1045 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:47:52pm

re: #1026 Van Helsing

I have a delusion that perhaps, just perhaps the extreme social policies Obama is pushing (essentially EU style socialism) will wake up enough people to force our government to get back to something a little closer to what the Constitution defines.

As I said, it's just a delusion.
I've got a real bad feeling about the next 20 years.

If the '10 elections give the Congress back to (R)s will be okay.

If not then I fear you may be right.

1046 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:47:54pm
1047 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:48:14pm

re: #1036 Van Helsing

What, assertion != truth for you?

Put simply, no.

I'm a cranky, old bastard. I want actual proof, facts.

1048 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:48:14pm

re: #550 Shug

14989 mph

how this will afect Michelle's kids, I have no idea

They can do a current events report for school on it.

Now, how do you handle current events reports in a classroom with the President's kid in it?

1049 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:48:30pm

re: #1032 pingjockey
Hey ping! How are you doing tonight?

1050 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:49:56pm

re: #1049 realwest
Ok. How did things go at the doc? Just hanging out here waiting for my sci-fi fix to come on. 10pm PST.

1051 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:50:16pm

re: #992 Van Helsing

Yes. I think I did.
I inhaled in my youth.
Did it have an alien that looked like a beach ball? And a bomb with an existential crisis?

Yes to both. Strange movie. Not many people liked it.

1052 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #1048 SanFranciscoZionist

They can do a current events report for school on it.

Now, how do you handle current events reports in a classroom with the President's kid in it?

I guess his kids get to hear he is a FCB.

1053 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:50:43pm

re: #1039 Buster Bunny
"Oh goody .. and he's a Democrat too !" and your proof that he/she is a Democrat is what?
:)

1054 Perfected Democrat  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:51:22pm

re: #999 Sharmuta

Technically legal, apparently, by virtue of the various judicial responses, but until the real deal is produced none of you, nor myself, can know for sure. There is a legal and qualitative difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a blah, blah, blah... Anyway, I'm outta here for the nite, thrash me as you like. It's called reasonable doubt...

1055 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:07pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

Assessed .. Presented .. Dealt with.

Get over it.

1056 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:13pm
1057 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:14pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

Technically legal, apparently, by virtue of the various judicial responses, but until the real deal is produced none of you, nor myself, can know for sure. There is a legal and qualitative difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a blah, blah, blah... Anyway, I'm outta here for the nite, thrash me as you like. It's called reasonable doubt...

No it is called being a halfwit.

1058 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:25pm

re: #1046 Iron Fist

I've been having something of the same thing. It is like a not of fear in my soul that somethig terrible is going to happen. It isn't real specific, I'm not claiming some psychic bullshit. More of a path to take through the near future where very bad things things happen to the USA and two the world. It is driving my efforts at preparation to a level that I can only sustain for so long. It'll be interesting to see what the next months and years hold for us.

Wait, is it a feeling like we're on the verge of history? And not the good kind?

1059 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:30pm

re: #1041 Aviator

Point made in a WSJ article today is that his schemes will put 50% of the population in a 0% tax bracket. Once the takers outnumber the producers there will never be any going back. America as we have known it will be finished and that miserable cocksucker will be happy.

Oh there's a way out. If the taxpayers keep getting squeezed harder and harder eventually there aren't any more taxpayers. The top 10% of the wage earners are paying 90% of the taxes now. It will not be possible to keep adding to that burden to give goodies to everybody. Eventually it will break.

Then people get hungry.

1060 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:52:53pm

re: #1043 Dark_Falcon

Well Perfected Democrat is still here. You can have some fun wailing on him. I've finished cremating the last troll so now I can get on with roasting this one. Don't worry, there should still be some Gamey Buttocks for you.

the finest Gamey Buttock is served rare :)

1061 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:53:22pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

There is a legal and qualitative difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a blah, blah, blah...

I would certainly hope so. What is a "blah, blah, blah" and what does it legally prove? BTW- when you frame your argument like a child, it's easy to dismiss.

1062 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:53:32pm

re: #1044 IslandLibertarian
"This is delusional thinking. Nothing else." Well I agree with you now, but think it may have been a ploy by the Democrats during the campaign to have Republicans waste a lot of time and money on it when they coulda and shoulda used that time and money more productively.

1063 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:07pm

re: #1059 Van Helsing

Oh there's a way out. If the taxpayers keep getting squeezed harder and harder eventually there aren't any more taxpayers. The top 10% of the wage earners are paying 90% of the taxes now. It will not be possible to keep adding to that burden to give goodies to everybody. Eventually it will break.

Then people get hungry.

And America as we know it we be gone.

1064 VioletTiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

More like unreasonable idiocy.

1065 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:17pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

No Obama yard signs were in my neighborhood.

We had some Luap Nor signs down the main drag, that's embarrassing enough.

We had Ron Paul PEOPLE, with signs, at the intersection of Geary and Park Presidio in SF. It was like the Apocalypse, or something.

1066 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:26pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

And "geasonadle noubt" is not enough to overturn an election.

The term he used was mutated to fit the "nirth" theme. That said, I'm out too. I'm too tired to go on.

1067 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:41pm

Crap. --will be gone.

1068 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:54:47pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

What part of "by state law you can't have a copy of the birth certificate" don't you get?

1069 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:55:01pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

And exactly what legal precedent is "blah, blah, blah...."?

1070 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:55:15pm

re: #1019 Perfected Democrat

"why would a Hawaiian newspaper announce the birth of a foreign child of absolute nobodies?"

In those days it would have cost the proud parents and grandparents about 2 bucks for the announcement, just so their friends and acquaintances would know... Duh....


Duh, are you that fucking stupid, is duh supposed to dismiss me as some dimwit?
Do you have a rational thought in that fermenting gourd you call a head?
Up yours you condescending dipshit.

1071 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:55:39pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

Technically legal, apparently, by virtue of the various judicial responses, but until the real deal is produced none of you, nor myself, can know for sure. There is a legal and qualitative difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a blah, blah, blah... Anyway, I'm outta here for the nite, thrash me as you like. It's called reasonable doubt...

It's beyond a reasonable doubt....

You are a moron.

1072 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:55:52pm

re: #1046 Iron Fist Hey Bro' - if it makes you feel any better, I posted a link in one of the spin off links to a Rasmussen poll which found that fully 75% of American Voters believe that Americans have the right to own firearms. A majority of both politcal parties and Independents felt that way.

1073 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:56:41pm

re: #1070 DEZes

I am refraining from dinging the Perfected Demothing down. If only Charles had a 'TOTALLY ANNIHILATE' button .. it would make it so much easier.

1074 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:56:49pm

re: #1068 pingjockey

What part of "by state law you can't have a copy of the birth certificate" don't you get?

Nobody gets their original BC- that's the state's property. We all get certified copies, which are legal proof whether it satiates the Nirthers or not.

1075 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:57:00pm

weet dreams all!

1076 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:57:02pm

re: #1045 JCM

If the '10 elections give the Congress back to (R)s will be okay.

If not then I fear you may be right.

If the alleged Rs in congress (you know, the ones responsible for 40% of the earmarks in the latest appropriation bill) don't pull their heads out of the anal orifices and KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF then I don't see where fiscal conservatism is going to rise again any time soon.

1077 little boomer  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:57:12pm

I believe Obama is a US citizen, but I'm not emotionally invested in it. He is a duplicitous fuckwad, so I can see the nirthers frustration, even though he is a US citizen.

1078 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:57:57pm

re: #1074 Sharmuta

'Mad nirther rabble, never satiated.'

1079 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:58:43pm

re: #1072 realwest

Hey Bro' - if it makes you feel any better, I posted a link in one of the spin off links to a Rasmussen poll which found that fully 75% of American Voters believe that Americans have the right to own firearms. A majority of both politcal parties and Independents felt that way.

Heard a radio commentator, can't find a link, several fly over country (D)s wrote to Holder. "Leave the guns alone" was the message.

1080 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 9:58:58pm

re: #1072 realwest

Hey Bro' - if it makes you feel any better, I posted a link in one of the spin off links to a Rasmussen poll which found that fully 75% of American Voters believe that Americans have the right to own firearms. A majority of both politcal parties and Independents felt that way.

One reason I have such a sense of foreboding is that I have never seen a congress that seems to feel they are the ruling class to the point they make it clear they really don't care what the citizens think.

1081 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:00:11pm

re: #1072 realwest

Hey Bro' - if it makes you feel any better, I posted a link in one of the spin off links to a Rasmussen poll which found that fully 75% of American Voters believe that Americans have the right to own firearms. A majority of both politcal parties and Independents felt that way.

Scary to see that 11% of the citizenry 'weren't sure.'

1082 gman  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:00:47pm

re: #1044 IslandLibertarian

Whoever hatched the "0"/fake cert' conspiracy would be well into their 90s by now.
And the possibility of holding such a plan together without one leak for 47 years is unbelievable. Handlers all over the world?
If you want to believe this is, I honestly suggest proffesional psychiatric help.
This is delusional thinking. Nothing else.

That still leaves open the possibility of time travelers from the future planting the birth announcement.

//

1083 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:00:49pm

re: #1076 Van Helsing

If the alleged Rs in congress (you know, the ones responsible for 40% of the earmarks in the latest appropriation bill) don't pull their heads out of the anal orifices and KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF then I don't see where fiscal conservatism is going to rise again any time soon.

Something else to fix. A veto proof (R) congress in '10 is first step.

1084 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:00:51pm

re: #1074 Sharmuta
Just dug out the oldest kids BC, he had a new one issued when I adopted him and his younger brother. Package deal, my better half came with 2 boys. Anyway it is a ....Certificate of live birth". OMG it isn't a birth certificate. However, IIRC my birth cert from 50 years ago is a certified copy of the actual certificate, feet prints and all.

1085 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:01:17pm

re: #1079 JCM Hi JCM! Yeah but Rasmussen didn't break that poll down geographically or by red or blue - but 75% is a pretty convincing margin!

1086 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:01:22pm

Team America: World Police is on Comedy Channel...uncut right now.

Just starting.

:)

1087 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:01:47pm

Later folks BSG is on. See you all in the morning.

1088 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:02:01pm

re: #1073 Buster Bunny

I am refraining from dinging the Perfected Demothing down. If only Charles had a 'TOTALLY ANNIHILATE' button .. it would make it so much easier.


I hear you, nothing pisses me off faster than some simple minded idiot saying DUH or BAH, its an idiots way of waving the hand like you are beneath them.

1089 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:02:50pm

re: #1084 pingjockey

I have 2 copies of mine- one in long form, one in short form. The long form has my mother's signature as well as the doctor's. It doesn't make the certified short form less valid.

1090 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:03:22pm

re: #1085 realwest

Hi JCM! Yeah but Rasmussen didn't break that poll down geographically or by red or blue - but 75% is a pretty convincing margin!

That's good news.

The bad news was the Fox poll last night a lizard linked...
24% think the government has it's own money. Probably the same 25% in both polls.

1091 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:03:22pm

re: #1081 jaunte Well, your right about that, especially since Rasmussen polls only registered voters and those registered voters who are "likely to vote". Still and all, they may not know where they stand cause they just never really thought about it. And I'll still take 75% every day of the week.

1092 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:03:30pm

re: #854 christmasghost

wrong....he wasn't listed as being born in hawaii. the birth was merely announced. how many of you don't know what hospital you were born in, hmmm?

Some place in East L.A., but I'd have to ask my mom for the exact name.

Any other questions?

1093 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:04:54pm

Right now the old Clinton War Room gang is fanning the flames of the "Limbaugh/RNC" debate to divert attention away from "0"s destruction of America wealth.
I'm sure they promoted the "Nirth cert'" idea but I don't think it was hatched by Dem's.
It's just a matter of using opportunities as they arise.

1094 DEZes  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:04:58pm

re: #1054 Perfected Democrat

Technically legal, apparently, by virtue of the various judicial responses, but until the real deal is produced none of you, nor myself, can know for sure. There is a legal and qualitative difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a blah, blah, blah... Anyway, I'm outta here for the nite, thrash me as you like. It's called reasonable doubt...

Its past reasonable doubt that I have 2 cats with more cognitive power than you!

1095 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:05:08pm

re: #1091 realwest

Well, your right about that, especially since Rasmussen polls only registered voters and those registered voters who are "likely to vote". Still and all, they may not know where they stand cause they just never really thought about it. And I'll still take 75% every day of the week.

I feel good about the 75%; knowing there are 11% of the polled voters who didn't learn the first two Amendments is a surprise.

1096 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:05:25pm

re: #1090 JCM

That's good news.

The bad news was the Fox poll last night a lizard linked...
24% think the government has it's own money. Probably the same 25% in both polls.

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

1097 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:07:52pm

re: #863 IslandLibertarian

Biker throw-down at Starbucks, Aisle 845.............

OT, by the way, I was kicked out of jury selection today because I said "drug addicts can't be trusted".

Drug addicts CAN'T be trusted. The addiction skews the addict's relationship to reality, and the addiction makes itself the addict's first loyalty and relationship. They will do and say anything to feed and protect the addiction. You can do a lot of things to help an addict, but you can't trust 'em.

Only exception I would make is someone who still considers themself addicted, but is not using--the classic alcoholic who hasn't had a drink in ten years. Them you can trust, maybe more than other people--you have to have a lot of integrity to kick something like that. Not an active user.

1098 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:07:55pm

re: #1089 Sharmuta

I have 2 copies of mine- one in long form, one in short form. The long form has my mother's signature as well as the doctor's. It doesn't make the certified short form less valid.

My original was retained by the State of Idaho. I have the original notarized copy that was given to my parents. The original was converted to an electronic file. I have a second certified copy issued by Idaho which looks a lot like Obama's released / leaked BC.

Either one is legal proof of citizenship.

1099 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:09:18pm

re: #1080 Aviator
Um

One reason I have such a sense of foreboding is that I have never seen a congress that seems to feel they are the ruling class to the point they make it clear they really don't care what the citizens think.

Sorry, I know I'm very, very tired right now, but did you mean to say that congress doesn't care what the citizens think? Cause if so I would disagree with you on that. There are at least two RINO's up for reelection to the US Senate (Specter and Collins) in 2010 and I have EXCELLENT sources that indicate that they are going to face strong primary challenges, largely funded by the RNC. Moreover I've seen congresscritters "change their minds" on any number of pieces of legislation over the years, due to a tremendous outpouring of voter support or disavowal of their positions and all members of the house are up for re-election in 2010.

1100 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:11:28pm

Idaho woman seeks stimulus money for credit card bills

Sitting in her wheelchair in her three-bedroom, one-bath 1915 home in south central Idaho, Melody Russell admits she’s not a bank. She’s not a carmaker, or an insurance firm, or a wind turbine either. Even so, the 48-year-old mother of five with multiple sclerosis and a husband with a transplanted liver and no colon would like a share of the $787 billion federal stimulus.

Frankly I'd rather give folks like this the money, than bailout failures.... real needs over failures anytime.

1101 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:12:40pm

re: #1090 JCM
ROTFL! Well that's what you get when you have a public education system in which Bill Ayers is such a big deal.
Seriously, though, Obama CAN order the mint to print more and more money so in that sense they are right: the Governement does have it's own money! LOL!

1102 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:12:52pm

re: #1098 JCM

My original was retained by the State of Idaho. I have the original notarized copy that was given to my parents. The original was converted to an electronic file. I have a second certified copy issued by Idaho which looks a lot like Obama's released / leaked BC.

Either one is legal proof of citizenship.

Exactly. This seems to be lost on Nirthers.

1103 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:13:04pm

Just checking in...

In my opinion, Obama sucks so far, as a President.

And I'm growing less confident that he means well.

1104 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:13:31pm

'Islamic Jihad member killed while firing rockets at Israel'

A member of an Islamic Jihad rocket squad was killed in an IAF air strike in Gaza Saturday morning, according to Palestinian reports.

Palestinian medic Dr. Moawiya Hassanain said two Islamic Jihad members were wounded in the strike near the northern town of Beit Lahiya.

Hassanain and Islamic Jihad spokesman Abu Ahmed said the men were firing rockets toward Israel when they were targeted.

1105 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:13:32pm

Good night.

1106 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:14:03pm

re: #1094 DEZes
ROTFLMAO! Good one!

1107 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:14:08pm

Well, much to do tomorrow.
G'Nite boys and girls.

1108 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #978 JCM

The only reason I ever made note of it was the (D)s going after Bristol Palin. Otherwise it would have been of no interest to me.

Obama did specifically mention his mother when he responded to the news of Bristol's pregnancy.

1109 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:14:50pm
1110 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:15:54pm

re: #1099 realwest

Um

Sorry, I know I'm very, very tired right now, but did you mean to say that congress doesn't care what the citizens think? Cause if so I would disagree with you on that. There are at least two RINO's up for reelection to the US Senate (Specter and Collins) in 2010 and I have EXCELLENT sources that indicate that they are going to face strong primary challenges, largely funded by the RNC. Moreover I've seen congresscritters "change their minds" on any number of pieces of legislation over the years, due to a tremendous outpouring of voter support or disavowal of their positions and all members of the house are up for re-election in 2010.

No, I don't think they care anymore. Yes, I've seen public action influence the process, but I'm not seeing that anymore. Do you really think somebody like Pelosi the double digit IQ speaker gives a shit what anyone thinks? You brought up Spector and Collins - you think they care what anybody thinks?

1111 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:16:03pm
1112 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:16:37pm

re: #1108 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama did specifically mention his mother when he responded to the news of Bristol's pregnancy.

I missed that......

1113 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:16:58pm

re: #1097 SanFranciscoZionist

you can trust me............

1114 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:18:55pm

re: #1028 DEZes

And why would those proud family members fucking waste the money on a basterd child?
Do you drink bong water or fucking inhale it asshat?

The family doesn't seem to have minded that the couple weren't married, or if they did, they seem to have moved forward quickly.

Only wish my family would catch up. One of my great-aunts-in-law (or something) is still keening because one of my cousins named his son after her brother, his grandfather, and IS NOT MARRIED TO THE MOTHER.

GASP.

She took my grandmother out to lunch and ranted the whole time, quite loudly, about how she didn't want her brother's name given 'to that little bastard'. My poor grandma, meanwhile, is shrinking down in her seat, and having her third glass of wine.

1115 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:19:09pm

re: #1104 NJDhockeyfan

'Islamic Jihad member killed while firing rockets at Israel'

Another umm, Hamas work accident?


/S

1116 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:20:59pm

re: #1039 Buster Bunny

Oh goody .. and he's a Democrat too !

I think a 'Perfected Democrat', may be like a 'Perfected Jew', meaning s/he isn't one anymore.

However, since I'm a Democrat, this may simply be wishful thinking on my part.

1117 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:23:15pm

re: #1100 JCM
Yep, me too. And that's one part of this shameful economic game that the Leftists and Obama in particular are playing: there ARE Americans out there who are deserving - IMO - of our help, because they can't help themselves - they aren't druggies, or alkies, or fourth generation welfare recipients who couldn't spell JOB is y'all spotted 'em the J and the O and they are getting royally screwed (well, we all are) by these "economic policies" of Obama's. There is only SO much pie to go around and those who need it will get less of it. Saw my onc today and he's been told that the Feds expect to fund some $31 BILLION LESS for Medicare and Medicaid doctor and hospital treaments starting in '09. SO who the fuck is gonna pay that $31 Billion? Folks who CAN'T work for whatever reason!

1118 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:23:39pm

re: #1114 SanFranciscoZionist

That's terrible.

1119 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:23:45pm
1120 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:24:23pm

re: #994 Perfected Democrat

You're right, why spend 10 bucks to produce the real thing when you can spend a gazillion dollars for lawyers to avoid it?

He has to spend money on lawyers to defend against all the frivolous lawsuits filed by nutbags like you.

/if you and your ilk would just crawl back into the woodwork his lawyers could maybe take a week off

1121 Aviator  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:24:51pm

G'night

1122 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:25:16pm

re: #1112 JCM

I missed that......

I thought it was decent and well-thought-out, which is not something I say often about Obama.

1123 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:25:17pm

re: #1114 SanFranciscoZionist

That's sad. I hope someone tells her the child isn't responsible, and she doesn't own her brother's name.

1124 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:25:51pm

re: #1103 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! Good to see you my friend. Obama not only sucks, but there are some of us who think he's deliberatley sabatoging our economy to make more people more dependent on government. I understand that postition, but frankly just think that Obama is too fucking STUPID to understand the damage that he's doing and in fact has already done.

1125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:26:14pm

I am absolutely confounded by the backwards, blinkered thinking of troofer conspiracy theorists, as well as their complete lack of common sense.

I had to show a copy of my birth cert. to get my first driver's license. Do these nirthers really expect me to believe that Obama has never had to show his once, not ever, for anything, all these decades?

Really, if Obama were hiding his secret [insert the foreign nationality du jour] from the public all these decades, wouldn't that require a pretty large scale conspiracy involving the collaboration of a great many people all these years to keep it under wraps? All the way back to birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers?

And these nirthers want me to believe that in all that time, and with all the people that would have to be involved, not one single person has leaked anything? No, his grandma in Kenya (or where ever) doesn't count; she doesn't run shit in the U.S..

Seriously, Obama is not a werewolf, and there is no silver bullet.


On an unrelated note: Obama magically made my car stall on the main drag, and I just barely got it towed back. If Barack cannot prove to ME, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he does not in fact posses such magical powers, I am gonna sue him for the cost of repairs!
//

1126 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:27:00pm

AMC is doing a marathon of Breaking Bad tonight. It's the father from Malcolm in the Middle who plays a science teacher dying of cancer who takes up cooking meth to leave some some for his family. It's by far the edgiest darkest thing on TV these days. Highly recommended.

1127 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:27:41pm

re: #1118 Sharmuta

That's terrible.

The baby is very cute, though, and you can't exactly patent "Patrick Henry" (not the baby's real name).

The grandma is thrilled.

1128 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:28:14pm

re: #1126 Killgore Trout


...who takes up cooking meth to leave some money for his family.


I stink

1129 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:28:34pm

re: #1110 Aviator
I don't think Pelosi does cause her constituents (Bezerkley) are more to the left than she is. Specter and Collins - assuming they want to hold onto their Senate seats, had better care: I know the RNC has targetted those two seats for 2010.

1130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:29:01pm

Did Winston06 ever make it back from his time out?

1131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #1123 jaunte

That's sad. I hope someone tells her the child isn't responsible, and she doesn't own her brother's name.

Everyone's told her by now. We only got involved because she also had the odd idea that my grandmother was now the 'head of the family', and should intervene. My grandma's idea of 'intervention' was to send some cute baby tees, so I don't think that quite worked out the way Great-Auntie wanted it to.

1132 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:31:11pm

re: #1131 SanFranciscoZionist

Ha. Grandma sounds great. I'm sorry your great aunt can't enjoy the baby.

1133 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:31:25pm

re: #1124 realwest

HEY NOAM! Good to see you my friend. Obama not only sucks, but there are some of us who think he's deliberatley sabatoging our economy to make more people more dependent on government. I understand that postition, but frankly just think that Obama is too fucking STUPID to understand the damage that he's doing and in fact has already done.

I'm beginning to think it may be deliberate. To many coincidental associations.

My thinking is here.

The problem I have with Obama being dumb, is someone would be having a talk with him. Eventually he'd get a clue.

So far he's blown off any advise to the contrary.

Look at the insult to Gordon Brown. The WH protocol office had to have told Obama the way things work at State visits, he blew them off and did his own thing.

That all looks deliberate to me.

I really hope he's just a dumb shit community organizer, because at some point somebody will get through to him.

1134 pink freud  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:31:54pm

re: #1124 realwest

HEY NOAM! Good to see you my friend. Obama not only sucks, but there are some of us who think he's deliberatley sabatoging our economy to make more people more dependent on government. I understand that postition, but frankly just think that Obama is too fucking STUPID to understand the damage that he's doing and in fact has already done.

re: #1124 realwest

Good eveing, realwest! Nice to see you on the FNDT. Did you see the Nasa Kepler launch event earlier?

/ Re 0bama, I'll see your 'stupid' and raise you a malevolent.

1135 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:32:17pm

What's everyone talking about tonight? A new thread is probably on the way, but I had to stop in and say that Ari Fleischer is my hero of the day for his zinger about The Dems and Olbermann.

1136 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:32:39pm

re: #1127 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure the baby is just as darling as he can be. It's sad that anyone would be so offended by a gesture of respect like naming a child after someone beloved.

1137 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:35:11pm

re: #1119 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - please e-mail me if y'all hear of anyplace where they still have .20 gauge shotguns (and ammo) in stocke anywhere near the N.C. border!
And thank you - Mom and I both say Hello to you and the GF (Iron Fist).

1138 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:35:27pm

re: #1135 Silvergirl

got a link?

1139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:38:10pm

re: #1136 Sharmuta

I'm sure the baby is just as darling as he can be. It's sad that anyone would be so offended by a gesture of respect like naming a child after someone beloved.

Yeah. Luckily, she's outvoted by all the other folks in that generation...

1140 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:38:25pm

re: #982 realwest

Well it's pretty close to being a documentary "Dear America: Letters Home From Vietnam" produced by HBO and, afaik, available at least on VHS.
Based on the book of the same name*, it is a chronological recitation of the war as seen throught the eyes of the troops who fought it and then wrote home to their loved ones and friends about it. It is NOT a history of the Vietnam War, nor does it purport to be. It's "just" the reading of the letters in the book, with video provided by Armed Forces and by the major TV networks at the time. It is IMO, a truly great film and was nominated for Best Documentary Film in, iirc, 1986 or 1987 at the Academy Awards.

*Fair notice, I had a minor role in editing the letters and snippets of poems in the book.

Really, truly? I have long loved that documentary. I haven't read the book.

1141 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:38:50pm

London aghast at President Obama over gifts given to Prime Minister Brown

You'd think President Obama had booted the Brits out of America — again!

London newspapers are howling over a string of alleged snubs by Obama to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown during his visit to Washington last week — including a squabble over presidential gift-giving.

"President Obama has been rudeness personified towards Britain," sniffed The Daily Telegraph Friday. "His handling of the visit of the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, to Washington was appalling."

The list of complaints is longer than the Magna Carta: Obama canceled a planned, podium-to-podium news conference with Brown (actually, none was ever scheduled); he recently removed a bust of former Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office; and he gave gifts to the Brown family that were "about as exciting as a pair of socks," one Fleet Street wag whined.

That last bit might be true. After Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk), Obama offered up ... 25 DVDs of American movie classics.

"Oh, give me strength," wrote one appalled Daily Telegraph staffer. "We do have television and DVD stores on this side of the Atlantic."

/give it up for Diplobamacy!

1142 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #1126 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore "a science teacher dying of cancer who takes up cooking meth to leave some some for his family." Am I correct that you mean to save up some money from the sale of the meth?
Cripes, that's not edgy it's fucking scary as hell.

1143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:39:54pm

You think I'm kidding? My car totally stalled, and I just barely got back in. I missed this whole thread, but looking at the "Bottom Comments" shows me what y'all been dealing with.

OMG, that is some crazy stupid. I am happy to see that the overwhelming majority of Lizards here (even the ones I tend to disagree with on many things) act as the voice of reason on this.

1144 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:40:30pm

re: #1128 Killgore Trout
Woops, never mind my #1142 then!

1145 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:43:21pm

re: #1141 Killian Bundy

/give it up for Diplobamacy!

HEYYYYYYYY! YO! YO! YO!

/maybe some bling would have been more appropriate.

1146 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:43:42pm

re: #1138 IslandLibertarian

got a link?

Link for you about Fleischer

1147 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:43:51pm

re: #1143 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought you were only half kidding about the stall because it wasn't 0bama's fault. It's clearly a Karl McBushitlerburton conspiracy to help the evil oil-auto industrial complex that's destroying our world.

1148 jaunte  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:46:32pm

Goodnight everyone. I'll leave you with a thought from archy the cockroach, via Don Marquis:

"did you ever
notice that when
a politician
does get an idea
he usually
gets it all wrong."
-- archy

1149 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:47:50pm

re: #1146 Silvergirl

short but sweet....thanks

1150 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:48:23pm

re: #1133 JCM
Well I'd agree with you BUT - he is having a helluva time hiring the advisors he wants (Geithner, in this time of economic crisis STILL hasn' found a @+#2 for Treasury - his last choice, the third one, iirc, withdrew her nomination for the postion in the wee hours of this (Friday) morning and look at the problems Obama has had with "friends" and "advisors" who are themselves Tax cheats or are otherwise involved in some less that societally accepted behavior!
So maybe Obama isn't STUPID he's just IGNORANT or Evil. But "nationaizing" the 401k's - which are collectively, thoughout the population today, worth oh about $17.53 ain't gonna fly because it is indeed private property protected under the U.S. Constitution. What HE HAS DONE is make it much more likely that MORE AND MORE people will have to depend on Social Security and Medicare when they retire or take "foreced" retirement at age 62.

1151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:50:03pm

re: #1147 Sharmuta

I thought you were only half kidding about the stall because it wasn't 0bama's fault. It's clearly a Karl McBushitlerburton conspiracy to help the evil oil-auto industrial complex that's destroying our world.

I know that's sarcasm, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are a number of moonbats who would believe such a thing.

That the Magnificent Bastard would render a car unusable in an effort to help Big Oil makes about as much sense as this.

1152 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:51:35pm

re: #1142 realwest

It's very scary and very dark.

1153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:52:18pm

re: #1151 Slumbering Behemoth

I know that's sarcasm, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are a number of moonbats who would believe such a thing.

That the Magnificent Bastard would render a car unusable in an effort to help Big Oil makes about as much sense as this.

His bus is wood-burning?

1154 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:52:48pm

re: #1150 realwest

Well I'd agree with you BUT - he is having a helluva time hiring the advisors he wants (Geithner, in this time of economic crisis STILL hasn' found a @+#2 for Treasury - his last choice, the third one, iirc, withdrew her nomination for the postion in the wee hours of this (Friday) morning and look at the problems Obama has had with "friends" and "advisors" who are themselves Tax cheats or are otherwise involved in some less that societally accepted behavior!
So maybe Obama isn't STUPID he's just IGNORANT or Evil. But "nationaizing" the 401k's - which are collectively, thoughout the population today, worth oh about $17.53 ain't gonna fly because it is indeed private property protected under the U.S. Constitution. What HE HAS DONE is make it much more likely that MORE AND MORE people will have to depend on Social Security and Medicare when they retire or take "foreced" retirement at age 62.

Very good "buts".

Just gonna' keep on eye on him, and work for a new congress in '10.

1155 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:52:54pm

re: #1149 IslandLibertarian

short but sweet....thanks

Did you click it open to get to the transcript? He was really onto them.

1156 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:53:47pm

Uh oh.....
Chavez Tells Obama He Should Follow Venezuela’s Socialist Path


Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez comments on U.S. President Barack Obama and the state of the U.S. economy. He made the remarks today on Venezuelan state television.

“It’s regrettable the crisis that the U.S. is living through. Millions of workers are being left in the street, thousands of companies are closing, in the U.S. there isn’t a single new infrastructure project. Go look for a highway there, the country has gone bust.”

“Now President Obama arrived with some announcements, hopefully, but the capitalist model and its perverse values have failed.”

“I recommend to Obama -- they’re criticizing him because they say he’s moving towards socialism -- come Obama, ally with us on the path to socialism, it’s the only road.”

“Imagine a socialist revolution in the U.S. Nothing is impossible.”

1157 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:54:03pm

re: #1155 Silvergirl

yes, read the story,..................love it when that happens

1158 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:54:43pm

re: #1140 Silvergirl
Really and truly - the book is FAR better than the movie and not because I helped edit it, but because it was the letters and poems guys over there wrote home to their wives, mothers, fathers, sisters,brothers, and girlfriends WITH NO IDEA that anyone else would ever read them. And about 25% of the letter writers never made in home alive.
If y'all want to you can e-mail me (nic's in blue) and I'll find my copy and tell you who published it and date of publication and the Library of Congress card number.

1159 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:54:57pm

Namaste, y'all
/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

1160 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:55:07pm

re: #1156 Killgore Trout

Ya .. like thats doing so well. Cant produce oil, cant feed country, cant help but boast about it. Wow .. if only we could all be like Venezuela.

1161 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:55:20pm

re: #1151 Slumbering Behemoth

I know that's sarcasm

Was it the "Mc"?

1162 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:56:06pm

re: #1156 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
Chavez Tells Obama He Should Follow Venezuela’s Socialist Path

Obama's going to beat him there.....

1163 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:56:55pm

re: #1162 JCM

Obama's going to beat him there.....

First to Zero wins !

1164 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:58:27pm

Well y'all it's been grand as ususal but my meds kicked in about half an hour ago and I gotta get to bed. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

1165 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 10:58:30pm

re: #1158 realwest

Really and truly - the book is FAR better than the movie and not because I helped edit it, but because it was the letters and poems guys over there wrote home to their wives, mothers, fathers, sisters,brothers, and girlfriends WITH NO IDEA that anyone else would ever read them. And about 25% of the letter writers never made in home alive.
If y'all want to you can e-mail me (nic's in blue) and I'll find my copy and tell you who published it and date of publication and the Library of Congress card number.

In between my post and yours I went looking at amazon and saw this.

1166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:00:22pm

re: #1153 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps it some sort of denial thing my brain does as some sort of sanity preservation, but I often think that particular protest sign had to be a joke. Can someone really be that disconnected from reality? Of course they can, but I hate to believe it.

I wonder sometimes if that wasn't a conservative plant infiltrating the protest to make the protesters look stupid. If the lefty plants are called "Mobys", would the righty plants be called "Roveys"? I wouldn't mind being a magnificent bastard once in a while.

1167 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:00:57pm

re: #1164 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand as ususal but my meds kicked in about half an hour ago and I gotta get to bed. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Night Real, sleep well.

1168 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:01:50pm

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

--Thomas Jefferson

1169 Silvergirl  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:02:26pm

re: #1164 realwest

G'night, realwest. Drift away till morning.

1170 realwest  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:03:46pm

re: #1165 Silvergirl
Woops - yes, that's the one. It was the first of the "letters" books - which I think we now have from WWII vets and Ken Burns and Shelby Foote (RIP) put together a book of "letters" from the Civil War as well. I think there are or at least should be similar books on Iraq and on Afghanistan, too.
And with Scotty Beachump's name missing from 'em.
No I gotta sleep. I do hope to get the chance to see you all down the road.
Goodnight, all.

1171 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:04:45pm

re: #1161 Sharmuta

Was it the "Mc"?

It was the "Karl". Real lefties know not to invoke the Name That Must Not Be Spoken, lest the Magnificent All-Seeing Bastard turn his baleful gaze upon them.

1172 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:04:47pm

re: #1156 Killgore Trout

What a little imp he is, with swine eyes.

1173 gman  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:05:13pm

re: #1125 Slumbering Behemoth

I am absolutely confounded by the backwards, blinkered thinking of troofer conspiracy theorists, as well as their complete lack of common sense.

Of Jock Straps and Conspiracy Theories

1174 JCM  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:09:18pm

I'm out for the night also....

g'night honcos keep yer' powder dry.

1175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:13:13pm

re: #1173 gman

Excellent. From your link:

Finally, the sixth study showed that feeling good about yourself reduces the frantic grasping for straws. There were three groups. One group recalled not having control, another recalled not having control and then performed a self-affirmation task, and a third group did neither. The first group saw more figures in snowy pictures and perceived more conspiracies than the other groups did. Apparently, increasing self-esteem fosters a sense of control over one's life and reduces the need to seek additional stability in random noise.

That pretty much nails it, IMO.

1176 gman  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:19:53pm

re: #1175 Slumbering Behemoth

Excellent. From your link:

That pretty much nails it, IMO.

Yeah, the article is pretty clear.

Basically, a conspiracy theory is like a mental jockstrap for someone that lacks control.

LOL!

1177 Wendya  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:24:09pm

re: #1156 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
Chavez Tells Obama He Should Follow Venezuela’s Socialist Path

That's actually pretty stupid considering hugo depends quite a bit on a healthy US economy.

1178 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:29:43pm

re: #1156 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
Chavez Tells Obama He Should Follow Venezuela’s Socialist Path

All of the people who voted for and still support Dear Leader's idea of hopenchange or didn't listen to the warnings about him before the election can go eat a jumbo bag of d**ks, because if a fellow socialist like Chavez is throwing his support behind the parts of Dear Leader's Great Leap Backward that's happened so far and encouraging him to go whole hog like him, it only confirms what those of us who paid attention to Dear Leader's history and acquaintances tried to tell everyone.

[MandyManners]I HOPE THAT EVERYONE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW![/MandyManners]

1179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:34:32pm

Sometimes I hate the internet.

Fuck you, internet. Fuck you very much.

/goes double for the dork in that vid.

1180 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:36:27pm

re: #1178 talon_262

All of the people who voted for and still support Dear Leader's idea of hopenchange or didn't listen to the warnings about him before the election can go eat a jumbo bag of d**ks

I've just rediscovered the glorious taste of dUCks. For years i've been served stuff that should have been dUCk but its just too dry and bony. But finally I've found a place that serves dUCk well. And I've never looked back :)

/Little Duck rant there.

1181 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Mar 6, 2009 11:45:25pm

re: #984 little boomer

Peasants are unwashed rabble to whom one owes nothing.

That is the attitude I get out of this refusal to release basic info.

1182 Abu Maven  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:07:51am

That's a poorly-reasoned opinion. The judge acknowledges that he has jurisdiction, but then dismisses pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) - failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. But that should only be done where the Complaint, on its face, accepting all its allegations as true, does not state a claim. Here, the Complaint appears to state a claim (I say "appears" because I have not seen it), but the Judge dismisses on the ground that "blogs" have already decided that Obama is a citizen.

What bunk. Can you imagine if you brought a lawsuit, and the court cited Daily Kos as a basis for dismissing your complaint? And not only that, dismissing it pursuant to 12(b)(6), which is not even about the truthfulness of your allegations, but simply whether those allegations, assuming they were true, would state a claim for relief.

Don't get me wrong. I have little doubt Obama is a citizen. But that opinion is really bad.

1183 gman  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:41:10am

re: #1182 Abu Maven

That's a poorly-reasoned opinion. The judge acknowledges that he has jurisdiction, but then dismisses pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) - failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. But that should only be done where the Complaint, on its face, accepting all its allegations as true, does not state a claim. Here, the Complaint appears to state a claim (I say "appears" because I have not seen it), but the Judge dismisses on the ground that "blogs" have already decided that Obama is a citizen.

What bunk. Can you imagine if you brought a lawsuit, and the court cited Daily Kos as a basis for dismissing your complaint? And not only that, dismissing it pursuant to 12(b)(6), which is not even about the truthfulness of your allegations, but simply whether those allegations, assuming they were true, would state a claim for relief.

Don't get me wrong. I have little doubt Obama is a citizen. But that opinion is really bad.

Where does Judge Robertson say he's basing his decision on what "blogs" say?

1184 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:47:23am

re: #1181 FamHistoryGuy

Basic info WAS released.

1185 Annar  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:16:50am

re: #125 Racer X

The picture is priceless.

One has to ask who is writing Howdy Doody's Obama's lines.

1186 kansas  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:33:09am

“This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do."

The case must proceed on these grounds. Just drop the other issue.

1187 BethesdaDog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #1182 Abu Maven

That's a poorly-reasoned opinion. The judge acknowledges that he has jurisdiction, but then dismisses pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) - failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. But that should only be done where the Complaint, on its face, accepting all its allegations as true, does not state a claim. Here, the Complaint appears to state a claim (I say "appears" because I have not seen it), but the Judge dismisses on the ground that "blogs" have already decided that Obama is a citizen.

What bunk. Can you imagine if you brought a lawsuit, and the court cited Daily Kos as a basis for dismissing your complaint? And not only that, dismissing it pursuant to 12(b)(6), which is not even about the truthfulness of your allegations, but simply whether those allegations, assuming they were true, would state a claim for relief.

Don't get me wrong. I have little doubt Obama is a citizen. But that opinion is really bad.

I tend to agree with you Abu Maven. District court judges are way to quick to pull the trigger on any kind of summary disposition, whether it's a12(b)(6) or a Rule 56 summary judgment. I do litigate in the same D.C. District, and I regard most judges as fairly arrogant and sanctimonious, and overly-concerned with controlling dockets, sometimes at the expense dispensing justice.

It seems the plaintiff in this particular case was trying to establish some kind of standing on a very weird basis. That probably drew the dismissal from Robertson. I don't know if standing is a major issue if one is trying to litigate an issue of this sort.

That's not to say that I am sympathetic to the plaintiff. I'm not a "nirther" or whatever they're called, but I seem to recall that nobody, not Obama or the Hawaii officials, has actually produced the real birth certificate. Is that true? If true, why won't they? It seems a simple matter to dispense with this issue for all time.

There is a lot that is still mysterious about this guy...a lot of dissembling, deflecting and spinning that has been produced in response to questions about his past, including his associates.

1188 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #38 Sharmuta

Wow! Doing the sock puppet thing in real life is a felony- who knew?

It is a felony if you paint your sock to look like a real person...

This Golb case is a scandal, worthy of boosting to the main page IMO. Dead Sea Scroll scholarship is full of cranks but Norman Golb isn't one of them. Golb's theories are a major school of thought. (He thinks they're a representative collection of Maccabean-era Judaism, which just happens to include now-lost Essenian material; rather than a strictly sectarian library like Nag Hammadi for Christians.)

It might also happen that other Dead Sea scholars get smeared by association. It's a terrible business all around.

1189 JPL17  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:35:59am

re: #1183 gman

Where does Judge Robertson say he's basing his decision on what "blogs" say?

Although gman's question is rhetorical, for the benefit of dubious nirthers out there, the answer to gman's question is "Nowhere." Judge Robertson's decision is based entirely on his finding that, as a matter of law, a plaintiff can't bring an interpleader action unless what's at stake are conflicting claims to particular property. As an example, if man buys a life insurance policy naming his "wife" as the beneficiary, and if upon his death multiple women claim they're the lawful "wife" entitled to the proceeds, then the life insurance company can join the multiple "wives" as parties to an interpleader action, basically saying to the court: "Here are the claimants and the insurance proceeds; you figure it out."

The way I read the Judge's opinion, what the plaintiff Hollister did here was to file an interpleader action, claiming he was holding "property" in the form of his potential military obligation, and joining Obama and Biden as the 2 parties who have legal claims (as Commander in Chief) to this "property." Hollister was basically saying to the Judge: "Here are the 2 parties with legal claims to be Commander in Chief, and here's my 'property' [i.e., his potential military service]. You figure out which one I owe it to." Judge Robertson simply found that all previous interpleader actions appear to involve disposition only of "property," not personal services. Therefore, Hollister's potential service to the Commander in Chief is not "property" and cannot be the basis for an interpleader action.

This seems like a sensible decision solidly based on prior caselaw. The Judge's citations to the "blogosphere" certainly make his decision more entertaining and give it historical context, but in no way was his decision "based on what blogs say."

1190 maxshiraz  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:47:30am

Conservatives generally agree that all US workers show appropriate documentation to work legally in the US. Why not a President? Seems reasonable that an elected President provide appropriate documentation. Not saying he was born in Kenya, just sayin'

1191 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:49:41am

re: #1190 maxshiraz

Conservatives generally agree that all US workers show appropriate documentation to work legally in the US. Why not a President? Seems reasonable that an elected President provide appropriate documentation. Not saying he was born in Kenya, just sayin'

How did Obama obtain a US passport?

1192 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:56:15am

There is NOTHING to this story. It's crazy. Those of you who refuse to drop it are only embarrassing yourselves.

The State of Hawaii released a statement verifying that they have Barack Obama’s official birth certificate on record.

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

1193 gman  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:00:33am

re: #1189 JPL17

Wow. That was awesome, JPL17, and it once again proves a belief that I think many others share on LGF besides me:

You "can" learn something new on this blog every day, provided you are willing to be open to something new.

1194 Abu Maven  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:11:53am

re: #1189 JPL17

Having read it again closely, you are correct. Nevertheless, the first couple of paragraphs -- suggesting that the issue has already been resolved by blogs -- was entirely inappropriate. So was the judge's assertion that dismissal is "the right thing to do" because the case had allegedly excited conspiracy theorists. Judges should resolve cases based on precedent, not on what they believe is "the right thing to do" or what they imagine may be the reaction of "conspiracy theorists." Unsurprisingly, the judge is a Clinton appointee.

1195 gman  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:18:38am

re: #1194 Abu Maven

Having read it again closely, you are correct. Nevertheless, the first couple of paragraphs -- suggesting that the issue has already been resolved by blogs -- was entirely inappropriate. So was the judge's assertion that dismissal is "the right thing to do" because the case had allegedly excited conspiracy theorists. Judges should resolve cases based on precedent, not on what they believe is "the right thing to do" or what they imagine may be the reaction of "conspiracy theorists." Unsurprisingly, the judge is a Clinton appointee.

JPL17 mentions that Judge Robertson based his decision on looking at previous interpleader cases.

Judge Robertson simply found that all previous interpleader actions appear to involve disposition only of "property," not personal services. Therefore, Hollister's potential service to the Commander in Chief is not "property" and cannot be the basis for an interpleader action.

1196 Abu Maven  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #1195 gman

I understand and acknowledge that. But the Judge also makes assertions about dismissing because he thinks it is "right thing to do" for various political reasons. Those kind of assertions have no place in a published opinion.

1197 JPL17  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:34:35am

re: #1196 Abu Maven

But the Judge also makes assertions about dismissing because he thinks it is "right thing to do" for various political reasons. Those kind of assertions have no place in a published opinion.

Whether or not it's "right," that fact is it's not unusual for judges to editorialize in their opinions, either to build public support for controversial decisions, to enhance their own reputations with certain constituencies, or simply to make them more interesting to read. Fortunately, it's usually harmless, because it's considered non-binding dicta that can't be cited as legal precedent in future cases.

Because Judge Robertson seems to have reached the right decision based on legal precedent here, I don't think his editorializing is anything to get excited about. I'd save my outrage for cases where judges reach politically-motivated results based on flimsy-to-nonexistent legal precedent -- that's a practice that really has "no place in a published opinion."

1198 JPL17  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:43:59am

re: #1193 gman

You "can" learn something new on this blog every day, provided you are willing to be open to something new.

Agreed, gman, and thanks...I've been learning something new on this blog almost every day, ever since the great throbbing TANG memo of 2004!


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