Obama Botches Meeting with British PM

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Our new President ran for office on a promise to use the power of diplomacy much more effectively than George Bush; indeed, he seems to believe diplomacy alone can solve almost any problem, from the Taliban to Iran’s nuclear program.

So what does it portend that his first major diplomatic visit by British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was so ineptly handled it nearly caused an international incident? Barack Obama ‘too tired’ to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown.

Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been “overwhelmed” by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.

British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister.

But Washington figures with access to Mr Obama’s inner circle explained the slight by saying that those high up in the administration have had little time to deal with international matters, let alone the diplomatic niceties of the special relationship.

Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.

A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama’s inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to “even fake an interest in foreign policy”.

Lovely. And of course, our feckless, in-the-tank media are doing their best to ignore the whole thing: Obama’s British ‘Gift Gaffe’ Not Reported By U.S. Media.

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930 comments

1 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:40:23am

Feckless!

2 Cathypop  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:43:12am

The great and wonderful O needs to suck it up and do his job. Whiny pos!

3 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:43:45am

How about the Hillary gaff-of-the-day?

Russian media has been poking fun at US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after she gave her Russian counterpart a "reset" button with an ironic misspelling.
Clinton's gift to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at their meeting in Geneva on Friday evening was meant to underscore the Obama administration's readiness to "to press the reset button" in ties with Moscow.

But instead of the Russian word for "reset" (perezagruzka) it featured a slightly different word meaning "overload" or "overcharged" (peregruzka).

Just all her Ms. Feckless.

4 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #3 itellu3times

call

5 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:44:46am

He hates this country and wants it to die. It's just a another part of the GREAT BIG PLAN to destry America.

This will chill you.

This is today

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

This was in 1984


Sorry if this has been posted.

6 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #3 itellu3times

How about the Hillary gaff-of-the-day?

Just all her Ms. Feckless.

DVDs, reset buttons...omg what a bunch of juveniles

7 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:03am

re: #1 itellu3times

Feckless!

Feckers!

8 WhiteRasta  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:14am

Inept and clueless.

9 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:35am

I shudder to think how badly he'll screw up meeting Queen Elizabeth.

10 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:50am

If the demands of the job are too much for him, perhaps Obama should resign?

11 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:45:57am

Steyn.
The Great Destabilization
Can America, the engine of the global economy, pull the rest of the world out of the quicksand?

By Mark Steyn

British prime minister Gordon Brown thought long and hard about what gift to bring on his visit to the White House last week. Barack Obama is the first African-American president, so the prime minister gave him an ornamental desk-pen holder hewn from the timbers of one of the Royal Navy’s anti-slaving ships of the 19th century, HMS Gannet. Even more appropriate, in 1909 the Gannet was renamed HMS President.

The president’s guest also presented him with the framed commission for HMS Resolute, the lost British ship retrieved from the Arctic and returned by America to London, and whose timbers were used for a thank-you gift Queen Victoria sent to Rutherford Hayes: the handsome desk that now sits in the Oval Office.

And, just to round things out, as a little stocking stuffer, Gordon Brown gave President Obama a first edition of Sir Martin Gilbert’s seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill.

In return, America’s head of state gave the prime minister 25 DVDs of “classic American movies.”

Evidently, the White House gift shop was all out of “MY GOVERNMENT DELEGATION WENT TO WASHINGTON AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT” T-shirts. Still, the “classic American movies” set is a pretty good substitute, and it can set you back as much as $38.99 at Wal-Mart: Lot of classics in there, I’m sure — Casablanca, Citizen Kane, The Sound of Music — though this sort of collection always slips in a couple of Dude, Where’s My Car? 3 and Police Academy 12 just to make up the numbers. I’ll be interested to know if Mr. Brown has anything to play the films on back home, since U.S.-format DVDs don’t work in United Kingdom DVD players.

It could be worse. The president might have given him the DVD of He’s Just Not That Into You. Gordon Brown landed back in London a sadder but wiser man. ...

...We’re seeing not just the first contraction in the global economy since 1945, but also the first crisis of globalization. This was the system America and the other leading economies encouraged everybody else to grab a piece of. But whatever piece you grabbed — exports in Taiwan, services in Ireland, construction in Spain, oligarchic industrial-scale kleptomania in Russia — it’s all crumbling. Ireland and Italy are nation-state versions of Bank of America and General Motors. In Eastern Europe, the countries way out on the end of the globalization chain can’t take a lot of heat without widespread unrest. And the fellows who’ll be picking up the tab are the Western European banks who loaned them all the money. Gordon Brown was hoping for a little more than: “I feel your pain. And have you ever seen The Wizard of Oz? It’s about this sweet little nobody who gets to pay a brief visit to the glittering Emerald City before being swept back to the reassuring familiarity of the poor thing’s broken-down windswept economically devastated monochrome dustbowl. You’ll love it!”

“Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn”? Oh, perish the thought. The prime minister flew 8,000 miles for dinner and a movie. But the president says he’ll call. Next week. Next month. Whatever.

12 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #3 itellu3times
Office of the Chief of Protocol
Gladys Boluda is going to be looking for a new job soon. I wonder what her job qualifications are. She's really screwed up. It's very embarrassing.

13 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:46:57am

And this ladies and gentlemen is the difference between theory and practice.

14 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:47:13am

Stalin would be proud. His dopey American worshipers in academia, government and entertainment have succeeded in dumbing down the masses.

Three words.

15 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:47:21am

Mr. Brown brought him a gift - a desktop pen holder made from the timbers of the HMS Gannet - an anti-slave ship that worked the Mediterranean, and sister ship to the HMS Resolute. It was a historic item that bears some significance, since the Oval Office desk is made from timbers from the HMS Resolute, which was rescued from pack ice by America and returned to Britain.

What did Obama give Mr. Brown in return? A DVD box set of the top 25 American movies.

Classless.
Loser.

16 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:47:27am

re: #3 itellu3times

How about the Hillary gaff-of-the-day?

Just all her Ms. Feckless.

I feel for the lackey who was responsible for that button. Ouch!

17 BingoBunny  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:47:51am

We have soccer team bench warmers running our country.. trying to follow a NFL president Bush.

18 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:48:09am

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

If the demands of the job are too much for him, perhaps Obama should resign?

House republicans should present him with a letter of (surrender) resignation right before the 2010 elections....then go ahead and swipe 50 seats from him

19 cyclown  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:48:38am

Looks like Obama needs another vacation to Hawaii, six weeks into his new job. This will give Zira a chance to continue to work on her "guns" and the media a chance to neglect the real issues and continue to report on the fluff.

20 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Office of the Chief of Protocol
Gladys Boluda is going to be looking for a new job soon. I wonder what her job qualifications are. She's really screwed up. It's very embarrassing.

Perhaps she is very well connected to the Chicago machine and owes significant sums to the IRS.

21 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:49:01am

You would think that I would find some joy in reading this, but, alas, I find none. I do wish that our President would, at the very least, be able to handle the most elementary duties of his office.

22 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:49:09am

Offend Israel? Check.
Offend Britain? Check.

Kowtow to Hamas? Check.
Kowtow to Russia? Check.

23 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:49:52am

I'm tired of Obama and the suck-up media.

24 jones  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:50:25am

I hate that I am so right about this administration. Will anyone deny these folks have no clue.

25 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:50:48am

re: #22 Wyatt Earp

Offend Israel? Check.
Offend Britain? Check.

Kowtow to Hamas? Check.
Kowtow to Russia? Check.

Bend over for Iran. Of course.

26 Truck Monkey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

I'm tired of Obama and the suck-up media.

I am tired of the media and the f*ck-up Nobama

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:51:25am

I just noticed the White Hhouse has a gifts officer....
Ceremonials

The Gifts Officer is responsible for the appropriate selection of gifts to be given by the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and their respective spouses to foreign dignitaries.

28 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:51:30am

re: #25 VegasRick

Bend over for Iran. Of course.

drop 'em for the Taliban....

29 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:51:39am

From the first link:

'The real views of many in Obama administration were laid bare by a State Department official involved in planning the Brown visit, who reacted with fury when questioned by The Sunday Telegraph about why the event was so low-key.
The official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: "There's nothing special about Britain. You're just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn't expect special treatment."'

Outstanding way of putting the one European Ally in her place which is doing more than any other European country to fight with the US Army in A'stan.

Well done PB0 and his staff - ever thought whom to call next to stand shoulder to shoulder with you when the jihadists attack again?
Iran, perahps? Or the Taleban?

30 musicmaven  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:52:27am

They are all totally CLUELESS!
The whole "Dohbama" administration is a"symbolic mistake".

Can't we have a "reset" button on the election?
I have notices a lot few Obama 08 bumper stickers on cars up here in the very red state New England.....even the disciples are starting to realize there is no one in charge "behind the curtain".

31 Cathypop  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:52:49am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I just noticed the White Hhouse has a gifts officer....
Ceremonials

A blind monkey could have picked better gifts.

32 little boomer  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:52:49am

Smart power.

33 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:05am

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

I'm tired of Obama and the suck-up media.

if hate were a country I'd be China

34 descolada9  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:08am

The sad thing is we saw this kind of stuff coming and tried to yell it from the mountaintop, yet the sheeple were not interested and the ministers of information were deep into Newspeak. A liberal friend of mine asked me what I thought of the Obama election and I replied, "This is what you want, this is what you get."

Now if only the idiot RNC would get its head out of the quicksand.

35 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:17am

Just another glaring example of how much class our last president possessed. I miss George W. Bush.

36 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:18am

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

If the demands of the job are too much for him, perhaps Obama should resign?

We can hope for that change.
But then would Biden be our Pres?

37 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:21am

In come pet ants.

38 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:25am

it is so apparent the 0's are lowlifes. no class, no decorum, no manners.
they just gave a very important ally of our country the finger.

o will be entertaining the taliban soon, he will be all smiles w/ them.
we have elected a fcking madman.

39 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:39am

re: #30 musicmaven

"Dohbama" administration

I like it.

40 jemima  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #33 albusteve

City Slickers

41 pat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:53:51am

Making Joe Biden look normal.

42 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #3 itellu3times

How about the Hillary gaff-of-the-day?

Just all her Ms. Feckless.

Was she commenting on the stimulus package?

43 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:30am
Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.

Boo-frickin'-hoo.

Poor guy actually has to work now.

Never heard anything about the sheer volume of business that faced Bush or maybe that he ever tired.

Bah.

44 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:36am

Good morning Charles!
It isn't that Obama was tired. The White House has an office for diplomatic protocols and the head of it is usually not a partisan pick, but someone who serves until he/she retires or dies.
I'd guess that the Obama's don't know that this office exists or that Rahm Emmauel side-tracked their little briefing folder for the President. Either way this was not a "stumble" on the Obamas' part (Michelle got into the gaffe giving too), it was an insult to the United States' singular most reliable ally over the last 50 years - indeed, former PM Tony
Blair virtually threw his political career away by maintaining that "Special Relationship" and not just over Iraq, but over Afghanistan which clearly deserved all that it's received and a lot more for harboring Osama bin Laden BEFORE AND AFTER 9/11.
That the MSM doesn't report this very much, if at all, has our friends in Great Britain almost as upset as the original treatment of PM Brown by the Obamas.

Yet Obama can make "overtures" to the "moderate" elements of the Taliban and THAT will get some coverage because it shows he's serious about dealing with the war in Afghanistan.
Other than Rathergate, I can't remember a time when I was more disgusted with OUR MSM.

45 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #29 yma o hyd

From the first link:

'The real views of many in Obama administration were laid bare by a State Department official involved in planning the Brown visit, who reacted with fury when questioned by The Sunday Telegraph about why the event was so low-key.
The official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: "There's nothing special about Britain. You're just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn't expect special treatment."'

Outstanding way of putting the one European Ally in her place which is doing more than any other European country to fight with the US Army in A'stan.

Well done PB0 and his staff - ever thought whom to call next to stand shoulder to shoulder with you when the jihadists attack again?
Iran, perahps? Or the Taleban?

Why, the MODERATE Taliban.

46 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:40am

The Klumps live in the White House. I wonder if they sit around the dinner table and fart?

47 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:41am

re: #36 reine.de.tout

We can hope for that change.
But then would Biden be our Pres?

Yep. *shudder*

48 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:58am

re: #41 pat

Making Joe Biden look normal.

Could be.
They way Keith Richards helped Mick Jagger look better.

49 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:55:34am

re: #40 jemima

City Slickers

best line ever...

50 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:55:46am

re: #48 J.D.

Could be.
They way Keith Richards helped Mick Jagger look better.

Or how Rosie O'Donnell made Barbara Walters look sexy.

51 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:55:51am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Office of the Chief of Protocol
Gladys Boluda is going to be looking for a new job soon. I wonder what her job qualifications are. She's really screwed up. It's very embarrassing.

That ineptness (to put it midly) is astounding.

From that first link:
'British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister'

Its not as if there never ever was a visit by a British Prime Minister ever before!

52 jemima  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:55:59am

re: #49 albusteve

best line ever...

It's a wonderful script.

53 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:03am

No special relationship for you, United Kingdom. The Obamas dislike everyone equally.

54 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:10am

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

I'm tired of Obama and the suck-up media.

I'm also tired of suck up Hollywood. Here's a video of celebs pledging to serve the Obama. The epitome of ass backwards. Puke alert.

Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher's I Pledge Video

55 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:15am

re: #11 J.D.

If ANY Republican had given DVD's as a gift, it'd be a top story in the press for weeks.

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #31 Cathypop
2008 White House Office Staff List - Salary

That Gifts Officer makes $52,000 a year. I think that money could be better spent.

57 Dahveed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:23am

I am tired of a Republican Party that isn't broadcasting how embarassing this administration has been in its first month. I've said it before but bears repeating - how bad is the GOP when three terrible politicians (Obama, Reid and Pelosi) are still in office and nothing seems to stand in their way.

We can blame the media all we want. The Republicans are not much better.

58 horse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:34am

The United States federal government is being led by children and eventually someone is going to give them a spanking they will never forget. Let us hope the spanking will be limited to those needing it.

59 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #48 J.D.

Could be.
They way Keith Richards helped Mick Jagger look better.

hey!...be careful...Keith is a good lookin guy

60 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #36 reine.de.tout

We can hope for that change.
But then would Biden be our Pres?

i think at this point biden would be a big improvement over O.
he is nutty but he doesn't have the long history of wanting to destroy his country.

61 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:03am

i am tired of liberals who follow zero and MSM like blind lemurs and then tell you that you are wrong and he is our new G-d and savior, according to them u are not allow to have ur own opinion, too much

62 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:06am

re: #53 jaunte

No special relationship for you, United Kingdom. The Obamas dislike everyone equally.

Except terrorists and terrorist nation-states.

63 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:14am

re: #50 Wyatt Earp

Or how Rosie O'Donnell made Barbara Walters look sexy.

Yeah.
Sorta like that.

64 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #46 Aviator

The Klumps live in the White House. I wonder if they sit around the dinner table and fart?

I couldn't resist.

65 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:25am

re: #51 yma o hyd

I strongly suspect that the Protocol Officers have never done this before. Noobs!

66 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:42am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I just noticed the White Hhouse has a gifts officer....
Ceremonials

Probably also a Chicago machine political appointee ...

67 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:57:58am

And how come the MSM gives Obama a pass on his being so tired? They sure as hell didn't give George W. Bush any passes on being tired and he had it MUCH tougher than does Obama.
Fuck the MSM.

68 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:01am

Further evidence that, as I contended earlier, Barack Obama has turned America into a Kakistocracy.

69 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:05am

G'morning lizards, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.

I've been trying to makes sense of the 'remains' of my 401K/IRA balances (not a fun job, but gotta do it) and have concluded that Obama and Geithner have successfully completed the mission that Bin Laden set out to do on 9/11-devastate the American financial system-Shameful.
C'Mon 2010 elections...

70 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:12am
71 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:25am

re: #55 right_wing2

If ANY Republican had given DVD's as a gift, it'd be a top story in the press for weeks.

It's a given.

72 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #62 Wyatt Earp

Except terrorists and terrorist nation-states.

Yes, but I think that's a way of telling other nations, like Britain, that they aren't any better than terrorists. There's no real 'liking' to it.

73 SteveC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:58:59am

re: #6 albusteve

DVDs, reset buttons...omg what a bunch of juveniles

These people don't have the brains. What is scary is that when these idiotic ideas were proposed, SOMEBODY said "Hey, that'll be PERFECT!"

/Have you lost your freakin' MINDS?!?!?!?!

74 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:12am

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Now we need a Homer Simpson sound byte with a big "Doh-Bama"...
It'd sell like crazy.

75 opinionated  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:18am

They report that Obama remains very popular even as people are not so certain about his policies.

Or in other words, what we predicted and what the McCain campaign attempted to convey to media criticism and ridicule turns out to be the truth- the United States elected a celebrity not a Leader/President.

So far those foolish enough to have made that choice are happy with their choice.

To save the US maybe he should be declared King......and then we elect a Government, to, you know, competently Govern in a perilous time. /s

76 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:52am

re: #34 descolada9

The sad thing is we saw this kind of stuff coming and tried to yell it from the mountaintop, yet the sheeple were not interested and the ministers of information were deep into Newspeak. A liberal friend of mine asked me what I thought of the Obama election and I replied, "This is what you want, this is what you get."

Now if only the idiot RNC would get its head out of the quicksand.

The party that allowed McCain to become the standard bearer, then allowed him to campaign the way he did, is going to require significant restructuring. That's going to take time, and they have not exactly managed to get off to a running start. I don't know enough about Michael Steele to make an informed opinion yet, but so far, it's not looking good.

77 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:52am

re: #59 albusteve

hey!...be careful...Keith is a good lookin guy

I'm sure his mother thinks so, also.

78 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:54am

and IMHO new POTUS need to take few classes on how to behave in public and good manners

79 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:55am

re: #17 BingoBunny

We have soccer team bench warmers running our country.. trying to follow a NFL president Bush.

Worse, he's a freshman Senator. The Senate runs on hyper-partisanship. The more your party crushes their opponent, the more money and power you control. The goal is to completely emasculate the opposition, and try to make them completely impotent so that you can do everything you want.

He never had to compromise with the other party. He's never run a business, or played on a team, or governed a state, or done anything else where he's responsible for actual results.

Senators have always made the worst executive branch l, and here we are with one at the absolute worst moment in history.

We're so screwed.

80 Cathypop  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #64 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy. My screen is now covered with coffee.

81 Blackacre  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:13am

What was all that blather from Team Barry about "smart power"? He sounds pretty stupid and clueless to me.
Either that or the One is intentionally setting out to dismantle this country piece-by-piece and rebuild it into his Alinsky-Marxist paradise.
Neither option is good.

82 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:13am

re: #67 realwest

And how come the MSM gives Obama a pass on his being so tired? They sure as hell didn't give George W. Bush any passes on being tired and he had it MUCH tougher than does Obama.
Fuck the MSM.

Amen.
Whining about his being tired is beyond belief.

83 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:25am

re: #72 jaunte

Yes, but I think that's a way of telling other nations, like Britain, that they aren't any better than terrorists. There's no real 'liking' to it.

Agreed. And it is a despicable way to treat a longtime ally.

84 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:40am

I wonder if Letitia Baldridge needs a job.

85 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:41am

re: #57 Dahveed
I have to disagree with your statement. The fucking MSM has given Obama a pass on virtually every gaffe he's made - geebus, they're even giving him a pass on this because he was so tired. So tired? He hasn't been in office more than two months and they give him a pass for being tired?!
Just how do the Republicans counter something which the majority of the American people don't even KNOW ABOUT?

86 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #79 Shay4l

Worse, he's a freshman Senator. The Senate runs on hyper-partisanship. The more your party crushes their opponent, the more money and power you control. The goal is to completely emasculate the opposition, and try to make them completely impotent so that you can do everything you want.

He never had to compromise with the other party. He's never run a business, or played on a team, or governed a state, or done anything else where he's responsible for actual results.

Senators have always made the worst executive branch l, and here we are with one at the absolute worst moment in history.

We're so screwed.

i concur, you are 100% correct

87 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #78 Gella

and IMHO new POTUS need to take few classes on how to behave in public and good manners

And to try to tone down the arrogance.

88 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:01:02am

re: #9 MandyManners

I shudder to think how badly he'll screw up meeting Queen Elizabeth.

he wll be haughty and arrogant.
wab will be down right offensive.
(and forget the customary curtsey. she will tower over the queen in a menacing way).
when has she not been ruled by the chip in her shoulder?

89 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:01:21am
90 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:01:32am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect that the Protocol Officers have never done this before. Noobs!

re: #73 SteveC

These people don't have the brains. What is scary is that when these idiotic ideas were proposed, SOMEBODY said "Hey, that'll be PERFECT!"

/Have you lost your freakin' MINDS?!?!?!?!

a box of plastic from WalMart

91 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:01:36am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect that the Protocol Officers have never done this before. Noobs!

Aren't there any diaries from past administrations that could clue them in?

92 gregg  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:02:38am

When Obama gave the Prime Minister that DVD collection, it was the first time I was proud to be an American.

//

93 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:01am

re: #78 Gella

and IMHO new POTUS need to take few classes on how to behave in public and good manners

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

94 abaleh  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:05am

At least he didn't give him a Wal-Mart gift certificate.

/

95 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:07am

re: #75 opinionated

McCain's campaign totally screwed the pooch (not that I'm a fan of his). They should've highlighted the fact that this guy is BARELY an American. He didn't grow up as an American, didn't play little league ball or other traditional American past times. He simply can't relate to mainstream American values.

96 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:36am

re: #80 Cathypop

Thanks Mandy. My screen is now covered with coffee.

I endeavor to render satisfaction.

97 SteveC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #46 Aviator

The Klumps live in the White House. I wonder if they sit around the dinner table and fart?

They're just like the Beverly Hillbillies... folks who unexpectedly hit the big time, moved into a big mansion, and brought Granny with them.

98 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:39am

This is one inevitable fallout of living the victim life. If the vicissitudes of your life are always blamed on someone else, it's impossible to learn how to give an appropriate gift (which is tied to the art of putting yourself in another's shoes).

99 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:40am

re: #91 MandyManners

Aren't there any diaries from past administrations that could clue them in?

ordinary people could just call their mom and do way better....this is simply unforgivable

100 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:43am
At 12:01 P.M. on January 20, 2009, minutes before Barack Obama was sworn in as president, the first post went up on the Obama White House website. It included a reiteration of a campaign promise Obama repeatedly made: "President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history."

Two days later, Obama ordered the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay closed. And two days after that, on January 24, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff wrote about a Pentagon study that will provide an early test of this promise: "The report, which could be released within the next few days, will provide fresh details about 62 detainees who have been released from Guantánamo and are believed by U.S. intelligence officials to have returned to terrorist activities."

The report was not, in fact, released within the next few days. On February 2, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, the Pentagon spokesman who handles inquiries about Guantánamo, told us that the report would likely be released later that day. We were told to consult the website--defenselink.mil--that afternoon. No report. When we asked where it was, Commander Gordon wrote: "Nothing today, please check back with me in a couple days." We did. No report.

This pattern has repeated itself for a month. So what explains this failure to produce the report? ...


Second Thoughts
The 'most transparent administration in history' buries a Gitmo report.

101 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #58 horse

The United States federal government is being led by children and eventually someone is going to give them a spanking they will never forget. Let us hope the spanking will be limited to those needing it.

It never is.

102 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:54am

re: #59 albusteve

hey!...be careful...Keith is a good lookin guy

Yep

103 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:03:59am

re: #64 MandyManners

You're killin' me-frickin hilarious.

104 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:00am

re: #93 MandyManners

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

ha ha ha good one, do you want to mail it to him?

105 pianogirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:01am

Ms. Boluda took over for Bush 43's outgoing Chief of Protocol on January 20, 2009. If this is the type of thing her office turns out here on home turf, you can only shudder in horror at what gaffes this crew might make when they head overseas. We've already seen what the Secretary of State did with her gift to her counterpart in Geneva last week.

In Obama's defense about not even faking an interest in foreign policy, he's just taking a page from Clinton's presidency. "BJ" wasn't interested in foreign policy, either, until someone whispered in his ear that sometimes it was called "foreign affairs" and then he sat up and took notice.

106 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect that the Protocol Officers have never done this before. Noobs!

Yep - and this would also indicate that they are too dumb to read the write-ups and references on how the preceding visits were handled.

These are things which no outgoing administration removes, they have a long tradition.

Looks like PB0's staff is incapable of wiping their own backsides even when the instructions are printed on the toilet paper.

107 esch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #91 MandyManners

Aren't there any diaries from past administrations that could clue them in?

That doesn't fit the mantra of 'change'.

Every one of these people strike me as the type to only learn, when they do (rarely), the hard way.

108 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:38am

re: #45 MandyManners

Why, the MODERATE Taliban.

Well, I suppose that 'moderate' has lost much of its meaning since so many people have been calling Obama a 'moderate' leftist.

109 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:45am

A sleep deprived, clueless Messianic figure is not what the free world needs as a leader.

110 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:04:45am

re: #88 nyc redneck

he wll be haughty and arrogant.
wab will be down right offensive.
(and forget the customary curtsey. she will tower over the queen in a menacing way).
when has she not been ruled by the chip in her shoulder?

Too bad Princess Diana is dead. She could show WAB a thing or two.

111 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:02am

re: #93 MandyManners

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Manners? We don't need no stinking manners! We are the ones we've been waiting for!

112 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:17am

re: #102 solomonpanting

Yep

Keith Richards looks like he had an accident with a taxidermist.

113 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:22am

and in the other news
Guantanamo worse since Obama election: ex-detainee
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

114 Kailen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:27am

These are people without an ounce of class. Hell, these are the kind of people who see culture and mock people for it.

115 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:35am

re: #67 realwest

And how come the MSM gives Obama a pass on his being so tired? They sure as hell didn't give George W. Bush any passes on being tired and he had it MUCH tougher than does Obama.
Fuck the MSM.

Maybe those bloodshot, slitty eyes weren't from being "tired".

116 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #99 albusteve

ordinary people could just call their mom and do way better....this is simply unforgivable

I just can't wrap my mind around not having a state dinner for Brown.

117 Blackacre  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #95 BigMoo

McCain's campaign totally screwed the pooch (not that I'm a fan of his). They should've highlighted the fact that this guy is BARELY an American. He didn't grow up as an American, didn't play little league ball or other traditional American past times. He simply can't relate to mainstream American values.

They should have done a lot of things they didn't do.

118 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #102 solomonpanting

Yep

YIKES!....(that's not the Keith that I knew)

119 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #112 rightymouse

Keith Richards looks like he had an accident with a taxidermist.

LOL!
My point exactly.

120 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:06:25am

re: #112 rightymouse

Keith Richards looks like he had an accident with a taxidermist.

Or with a taxi.

121 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #104 Gella

ha ha ha good one, do you want to mail it to him?

The USSS might blow it up.

122 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:12am

re: #120 solomonpanting

Or with a taxi.

He looks like an unwrapped mummy.

123 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:14am

re: #53 jaunte
Hey juante! "No special relationship for you, United Kingdom. The Obamas dislike everyone equally."
Well, not exactly. The Obamas seem to like the Russians, Chinese, Iranians and Syrians very nicely thank you.
It's just democratic allies that Obama doesn't really care for.
Which is fitting, in a reverse sort of way, because they are all rapidly becoming unenamoured with him.

124 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:28am

re: #120 solomonpanting

Or with a taxi.

I had to book that one...omg!

125 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #109 Kreuzueber Halbmond

A sleep deprived, clueless Messianic figure is not what the free world needs as a leader.

The only thing worse than an incompetent amateur in the White House is a 'sleepy' incompetent amateur in the White House. Maybe Obama can call for a global 'Time Out' so he can catch a few z's...poor baby.

126 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:07:58am

re: #107 esch

That doesn't fit the mantra of 'change'.

Every one of these people strike me as the type to only learn, when they do (rarely), the hard way.

I would hope that they learn from this but, FCBBHO and WAB strike me as the types who will cling to the gauche ways.

127 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:14am

Well, he's managed to offend the Brits, Israel, the Poles, and the Czechs. Who's next under the bus? Colombia? Taiwan? Australia?

128 Dahveed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #85 realwest

The Republican Party is a major political party. These are supposed to be bright people. Bright people find a way. Newt Gingrich and the GOP found a way despite Bill Clinton being popular in the 90s.

129 rumcrook  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:50am

basically this jerk looked around the whitehouse and said what can we throw at this guy, hey dont we have a boxed set of old movies one of our groupies from hollywierd gave us?

then they re-gifted like an episode of seinfeld.

f-n incompetent children playing at being the president and staff.

130 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #117 Blackacre

They 'walked on glass' around this guy and just didn't have the stones to take him head-on. Fear of racism charges ?

131 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:55am

re: #116 MandyManners

I just can't wrap my mind around not having a state dinner for Brown.

be interesting to see if there is actually a pattern or will he get a grip or whatever....will he do better next time?

132 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #108 CyanSnowHawk

Well, I suppose that 'moderate' has lost much of its meaning since so many people have been calling Obama a 'moderate' leftist.

Maybe it's time I cross that word out of my Webster's.

133 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:08am

re: #119 J.D.

LOL!
My point exactly.

And to think he has a new young thing to drape on his arm. Ick.

/must be his money

134 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:17am

re: #111 Bobblehead

Manners? We don't need no stinking manners! We are the ones we've been waiting for!

The Era of Narcissism.

135 'Tired Guy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:22am

re: #88 nyc redneck

when has she not been ruled by the chip in her shoulder?


This is the puppyfinder microchip for the WAB?

136 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:28am

re: #88 nyc redneck

he wll be haughty and arrogant.
wab will be down right offensive.
(and forget the customary curtsey. she will tower over the queen in a menacing way).
when has she not been ruled by the chip in her shoulder?

Their protocol staff better start reading up now, on what is going to be expected. They also ought to listen carefully to what their British couterparts advise.

However, I'm not worried about the Queen. She has had to deal with far worse Heads of State. She knows how to handle even the worst boors.

I'm more worried about WAB's mind after she's had an encounter with Madame Sarkozy, teeheehee!

137 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:52am

re: #122 Bobblehead

He looks like an unwrapped mummy.

"You've come a long way, baby."

138 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:54am

re: #133 rightymouse

And to think he has a new young thing to drape on his arm. Ick.

/must be his money

She must have an unusually strong stomach.

139 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:58am

re: #123 realwest

Hi realwest! The world is rapidly learning to return the dislike that the O displays; even the Russians know State Dept. can't be bothered to get their language translated correctly.

140 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:09:59am

Oh it gets better. Spotted this on ebay.

Expert diplomacy.

Heh.

141 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:10am

re: #127 Colonel Panik

Well, he's managed to offend the Brits, Israel, the Poles, and the Czechs. Who's next under the bus? Colombia? Taiwan? Australia?

Georgia. Ukraine. Estonia. Latvia. Hungary.

142 Opinionated  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #95 BigMoo

McCain's campaign totally screwed the pooch (not that I'm a fan of his). They should've highlighted the fact that this guy is BARELY an American. He didn't grow up as an American, didn't play little league ball or other traditional American past times. He simply can't relate to mainstream American values.

McCain didn't campaign in a vacuum.

We want to heap scorn on the McCain campaign, but considering that all the organs of the press and media were part of the Obama campaign, McCain did as well as was possible under the circumstances.

McCain would have been vilified if he had campaigned as you suggest. We, in the Right leaning corners of the Internet attempted to publish just that message, but with the MSM protecting Obama in every which way it had no effect.

143 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:40am

re: #125 BigMoo

I don't recall Ronald Reagan or his staff complaining about being tired. This Obama deal is like some bad dream we are all being forced to participate in.

144 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:46am

re: #100 J.D.
Hey {J.D.} - are you really surprised at the lack of transparency of the Obama administration so far?

145 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:53am
146 SteveC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:10:59am

re: #99 albusteve

ordinary people could just call their mom and do way better....this is simply unforgivable

"Say, please, thank you, remember to smile, and always be a gentleman. Don't treat her like a queen, treat her like your guest and your best friend."

"... and have my car back by midnight or I'll break your head."

-- actual dating advice from Ma and Pa C. it has worked pretty good so far!

147 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:00am

re: #140 Racer X

Oh it gets better. Spotted this on ebay.

Expert diplomacy.

Heh.

OMG!
~Hilarious!~

148 Gella  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:04am

re: #127 Colonel Panik

Well, he's managed to offend the Brits, Israel, the Poles, and the Czechs. Who's next under the bus? Colombia? Taiwan? Australia?

don't forget Ukraine, i think they still have few nucks left

149 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:09am

re: #127 Colonel Panik

Don't forget Hillary...she's cutting swath of destruction during her Soviet er Russian trip...

151 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:38am

re: #144 realwest

Hey {J.D.} - are you really surprised at the lack of transparency of the Obama administration so far?

Me?
Absolutely not.
I just think it's important to point it out every chance I get!

152 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:40am

Ok, this is certainly a WTF moment. I don't care if it's a new administration or what ever.

Our country is over 200 years old, we've been hosting heads of states and royalty for ever.

There is NO WAY that this could have just been a oversight. NO WAY. Someone had to make a conscience decision to offer these items as gifts to the PM and his wife.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about protocol. But, that's me, I'm not president, and if I was, I would feel obligated to go along with the norm.

And, did I say NO WAY.

153 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #130 BigMoo

They 'walked on glass' around this guy and just didn't have the stones to take him head-on. Fear of racism charges ?

he's mulatto and that's the racial truth

154 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:11:45am

re: #94 abaleh

At least he didn't give him a Wal-Mart gift certificate.

/

Maybe next trip, after he and the dems cripple Walmart with unions. Our President will then be especially proud to present a gift from one of the many reinvented American company's - The New Walmart.

155 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:12:01am
156 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:12:10am

re: #88 nyc redneck

he wll be haughty and arrogant.
wab will be down right offensive.
(and forget the customary curtsey. she will tower over the queen in a menacing way).
when has she not been ruled by the chip in her shoulder?


I need to double-check, but are non-Brits obliged to curtsey?

157 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:12:41am

re: #131 albusteve

be interesting to see if there is actually a pattern or will he get a grip or whatever....will he do better next time?

Are they capable of learning or are they so wrapped up in being SPAYSHUL SNOWFWAKES that they can't?

158 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:12:48am

re: #67 realwest

And how come the MSM gives Obama a pass on his being so tired? They sure as hell didn't give George W. Bush any passes on being tired and he had it MUCH tougher than does Obama.
Fuck the MSM.

it is outrageous and laughable.
this inept unqualified buffoon can do no wrong. he just needed a nap.
LOL
and of course wab is the loveliest most gracious first lady we have ever had.
fck the msm, indeed.

159 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:13:04am

re: #138 J.D.

She must have an unusually strong stomach.

seeing Keith treated like this is just killing me...there is no justice

160 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:13:20am

re: #147 J.D.

OMG!
~Hilarious!~

Note the seller's profile.

LOL!

161 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:13:34am

re: #160 Racer X

Note the seller's profile.

LOL!

I did!

162 esch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #126 MandyManners

I would hope that they learn from this but, FCBBHO and WAB strike me as the types who will cling to the gauche ways.

I think you're entirely correct.

IMHO, everything they do will be done the 'new' way, and they'll just try to run on chutzpah. They're dumping all preexisting protocol and showing up to stuff whenever they feel like it. Sheer narcissistic arrogance. Zero respect for the office or anyone else.

They are going to 'dumb down' the presidency.

163 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #156 rightymouse

I need to double-check, but are non-Brits obliged to curtsey?

NO!

I would not curtsey one centimeter.

164 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #112 rightymouse
Hi ya {righty}! Poor, tired President Obama. My gosh, being President is SUCH HARD WORK. Wonder how he manages to stay awake?!?

165 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #142 Opinionated

I agree, the MSM would've savaged him. But that possibly could've been a good thing for McCain, since the majority of American hold them in low regard anyway. Any way ya look at it, Obama was the 'ordained' as soon as he beat Hillary.
It's just not in McCain's nature to fight that way.

166 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #141 MandyManners

Georgia. Ukraine. Estonia. Latvia. Hungary.

US.

167 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:14:50am

re: #140 Racer X

Oh it gets better. Spotted this on ebay.

Expert diplomacy.

Heh.


Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I have tears now. lol!

168 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #159 albusteve

seeing Keith treated like this is just killing me...there is no justice

My apologies.
I can be so insensitive sometimes.
But I'm honest to a fault!

169 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:15:30am

re: #162 esch

I think you're entirely correct.

IMHO, everything they do will be done the 'new' way, and they'll just try to run on chutzpah. They're dumping all preexisting protocol and showing up to stuff whenever they feel like it. Sheer narcissistic arrogance. Zero respect for the office or anyone else.

They are going to 'dumb down' the presidency.

I'm reminded of the phrase "down-ward defining deviance" or some-such.

170 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:15:32am

re: #150 MandyManners

The governors' dinner was "a great kickoff of what we hope will be an atmosphere here in the White House that is welcoming and that reminds everybody that this is the people's house," Obama told the state chief executives after they had dined on Maryland crab, Wagyu beef, Nantucket scallops and citrus salad.

Make that "....is the right people's house.

171 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:15:47am

re: #166 VegasRick

US.

Oh, we're already there.

172 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:27am

re: #168 J.D.

My apologies.
I can be so insensitive sometimes.
But I'm honest to a fault!

I'm deeply wounded...I'll need some time

173 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #170 Aviator

Make that "....is the right people's house.

Can we get the cost of all these parties?

174 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:29am

re: #150 MandyManners

While they're dissing our allies, don't forget how they spend their Wednesday nights!

that shows me that 'PB0 is tired' is a lie put about by his staff.

If he's not to tired to party, he's not too tired for a state dinner.

175 Opinionated  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:34am

I'll take two bets.

When "good" terrorist Abbas visits the White House he will get a magnificent welcome that pales that of the British PM.

When Netanyahu visits the White House the reception will be "business like" and insincere.

Any takers?

176 uncle_monkey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:48am

We were yucking it up a few days ago that not only did the One give away some crappy costco box set, but they're probably region 1 DVD's, so Brown won't even be able to play them unless he took home a U.S. player!

177 J.D.  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:16:56am

re: #172 albusteve

I'm deeply wounded...I'll need some time

There There, albusteve.
There There.

178 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:17:00am
179 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:17:12am

re: #163 MandyManners

NO!

I would not curtsey one centimeter.

We don't curtsey to royalty. That's my understanding.

180 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:17:19am

re: #173 MandyManners

Can we get the cost of all these parties?

FOIA?

181 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:17:31am

re: #128 Dahveed
Well Newt didn't have an MSM sniffing around about his cheating on his cancer stricken wife, nor an MSM that wouldn't report what he said as front page news.
But if you think there's someway the Republicans can break through the nearly inpenetrable barrier of the MSM to REACH the American People with a new Contract for America, please do share it with us.

182 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #143 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Our problem, we're just not enlightened, New Age type people. We're the 'knuckle draggers' who have to work 80-100 hour work weeks at times-and suck it up w/o whining-at least in public.

183 jones  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:02am

Is there anything more useless than a Liberal Arts type who can't do symbolic gestures right?

184 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:14am

re: #140 Racer X

Oh it gets better. Spotted this on ebay.

Expert diplomacy.

Heh.

Damn! My second cup of coffee is now all over my screen. That is hilarious.

185 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:28am
186 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:32am

re: #153 albusteve

Roger that. A 'minor issue' that no one had the stones to address.

187 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:43am

re: #173 MandyManners

Can we get the cost of all these parties?

We are getting the cost ... right up the ass.

188 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:51am
Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis...

Must be quite demanding figuring out how to spend trillions of dollars.

189 MacDuff  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #141 MandyManners

Georgia. Ukraine. Estonia. Latvia. Hungary.

Or maybe Georgia, Misissippi, Kentucky, Indiana......and all of the rest of our "57 States"!

190 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:04am

re: #181 realwest

Well Newt didn't have an MSM sniffing around about his cheating on his cancer stricken wife, nor an MSM that wouldn't report what he said as front page news.
But if you think there's someway the Republicans can break through the nearly inpenetrable barrier of the MSM to REACH the American People with a new Contract for America, please do share it with us.

there are whispers he has not ruled out running in '12....read it last week somewhere

191 jones  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Two of them.


Or a whole Administration full of them.

192 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:35am
193 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:46am

re: #174 yma o hyd

that shows me that 'PB0 is tired' is a lie put about by his staff.

If he's not to tired to party, he's not too tired for a state dinner.

Those are some fucked-up priorities.

194 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:54am

When is thre: #152 Walter L. Newton

Yep, this is all intentional, and no one will call him on any of it.

195 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #156 rightymouse

I need to double-check, but are non-Brits obliged to curtsey?

Even Brits are not 'obliged' to curtsey.
Cherie Blair, wife of Tony, never did.
Her head is still attached to her body ...

So WAB won't be 'forced' to curtsey.

Curtseying is simply a polite way of greeting the longest-reigning monarch in Europe, and a lady who will be 83 this year.

But you can't force people to be polite and show manners.

196 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:13am

Please, anyone tell me of one thing that's run without problems for decades, that once touched by the ONE that he hasn't screwed up? That guy could ruin an anvil with a pair of wafer tweezers.

197 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #174 yma o hyd

that shows me that 'PB0 is tired' is a lie put about by his staff.

If he's not to tired to party, he's not too tired for a state dinner.

Maybe the staffer overheard WAB complaining about BHO always being too tired.

198 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:31am

re: #186 BigMoo

Roger that. A 'minor issue' that no one had the stones to address.

he and his minons are simply racist to declare it otherwise...imo of course

199 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:34am

re: #178 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly. Bush was a poor communicator IMO, but when he needed to get a message across to the likes of Syria and Iran, he could do it.

200 Diamond Bullet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:35am

We're talking about a guy who is already legendary for his tardiness to meetings, and who now apparently doesn't get "enough" sleep. What enough sleep is, of course, is not defined and something tells me Obama is a "9 hours a night" kind of guy. Hell, Obama took vacations from the horrible fatigue of campaigning to flop around in the surf in Hawaii, which the media loved while simultaneously savaging McCain for heading to DC to try to actually accomplish something in response to the housing crisis. Amateur hour by diplomatic staff combined with an ego-driven personal laziness in the President is a pretty terrifying combination in an Administration. Nobody is minding the details, as exemplified by the zillion earmarks in his "no earmarks" spending bill and Clinton's completely retarded gaffe with the Russians. This bumbling will come back to seriously haunt us when other countries start rightfully concluding that they don't need to fear or respect us since we can't even avoid the most basic diplomatic f*ckups anymore. For generations to come, the name "Obama" will be a four letter word.

201 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:42am

re: #164 realwest

Hi ya {righty}! Poor, tired President Obama. My gosh, being President is SUCH HARD WORK. Wonder how he manages to stay awake?!?

Poor guy is nodding off from the sheer volume of doing Presidential stuff that other Presidents have managed without the MSM giving the impression that they want to tuck him into a comfy bed with a teddy bear to lighten his load.

202 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:45am

re: #179 rightymouse

We don't curtsey to royalty. That's my understanding.

We fought two wars over that whole notion.

203 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:20:56am
204 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:03am

re: #190 albusteve
Oh yeah, let's have the GOP give the MSM red meat right from the jump.
I respect Newt's political analyses as much as anyone, but don't think he has the character to be president (though he would be preferable to Obama.).

205 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:24am

re: #180 albusteve

FOIA?

It's been a while since I did one of those, and never for this level of government.

206 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:26am
207 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:40am

As was already mentioned on the "gift gaffe" thread: the White House staff is well equipped to deal with such visits, and employs dozens of people who live and breath protocol and etiquette. Flubs like this are, simply, inexcusable - with the support resources available, all the President needs to do is show up with a smile on his face, and everything else will be taken care of. Instead, he winds up alienating one of our oldest and most trusted allies.

Moron.

Meanwhile, he's essentially ceded foreign policy to Hillary Clinton, who is running around the planet enacting gaffes of her own while pursuing her own political agenda - like paying back all those Chinese campaign contributions with a waiver on human rights questions. She will use her position to undermine Obama in preparation for her next run at the Presidency.

Meanwhile, our enemies and allies alike will quickly pick up on this discord, recognize it for the weakness it is, and exploit the Hell out of it and us in a heartbeat. Iran will get it's bomb; North Korea will get it's bomb; China will swamp the planet with cheap exports in exchange for short-term gain; and Russia will, in all likelihood, wind up in either direct or indirect control of more than 2/3s of the world's oil as it expands it's influence into our own gaping vacuum in the Middle East, while renewing ties with old friends in Cuba and Venezuela.

Obama may very well cause more international damage to the United States and it's position in the world in his first 100 days in office as Jimmy Carter managed to wreak in four full years. And if he's already "too tired" to do his job after just a few short weeks, we may see a complete breakdown within the first year.

Just what the country needs - Joe Biden as Acting President.

208 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #187 Aviator

We are getting the cost ... right up the ass.

*cringe*

209 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:21:56am

re: #174 yma o hyd

that shows me that 'PB0 is tired' is a lie put about by his staff.

If he's not to tired to party, he's not too tired for a state dinner.

State dinners interrupt the party schedule and have too many typical white folks hanging around.

210 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #189 MacDuff

Or maybe Georgia, Misissippi, Kentucky, Indiana......and all of the rest of our "57 States"!

Red states, probably.

211 SteveC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:15am

re: #195 yma o hyd

But you can't force people to be polite and show manners.

The Unwritten Clause of the US Constitution guarantees people the right to be stupid. Seems more and more people are exercising their constitutional rights lately.

212 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:29am

re: #175 Opinionated

I'll take two bets.

When "good" terrorist Abbas visits the White House he will get a magnificent welcome that pales that of the British PM.

When Netanyahu visits the White House the reception will be "business like" and insincere.

Any takers?

I hope Bibi will take a very long time before he thinks of visiting PB0!

213 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:35am

re: #91 MandyManners

Aren't there any diaries from past administrations that could clue them in?

Yes, there are records that could clue them in and point them in the right direction.

But this bunch just believes they know it all . . . no need to actually look to see what traditionally has been done.

214 Spider Mensch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:37am

hmmm.the dvd gift is funny. my wife and I bought my MIL some dvd's here in the states fofrthe MIL birthday. MIL lives in Austria, the dvd' didn't work in Austria. I have no idea why, my only thought was the different voltages and the speed of the player...but point is, not only was it a stupid gift, but it would even be funnier if they didn't play for Brown once he got home to the UK. Of course he probably wouldn't bother to watch them anyhow.

215 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:22:41am

re: #195 yma o hyd

Even Brits are not 'obliged' to curtsey.
Cherie Blair, wife of Tony, never did.
Her head is still attached to her body ...

So WAB won't be 'forced' to curtsey.

Curtseying is simply a polite way of greeting the longest-reigning monarch in Europe, and a lady who will be 83 this year.

But you can't force people to be polite and show manners.

If WAB curtsied to the Queen the whole front row of the audience would be knocked over.

216 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:01am

re: #183 jones

Is there anything more useless than a Liberal Arts type who can't do symbolic gestures right?

give any Marine staff officer the book and it would get done right the first time and every time...pretty simple

217 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:11am

re: #204 realwest

Oh yeah, let's have the GOP give the MSM red meat right from the jump.
I respect Newt's political analyses as much as anyone, but don't think he has the character to be president (though he would be preferable to Obama.).

A frigging root canal would be preferable to Obama!


/S

218 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:19am

re: #195 yma o hyd

Even Brits are not 'obliged' to curtsey.
Cherie Blair, wife of Tony, never did.
Her head is still attached to her body ...

So WAB won't be 'forced' to curtsey.

Curtseying is simply a polite way of greeting the longest-reigning monarch in Europe, and a lady who will be 83 this year.

But you can't force people to be polite and show manners.

I would never curtsey because to me it implies that the person to whom I'm curtseying is better than me.

219 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:44am

re: #154 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe next trip, after he and the dems cripple Walmart with unions. Our President will then be especially proud to present a gift from one of the many reinvented American company's - The New Walmart.

They can't, it would exceed the gift cost limits.

220 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:49am

re: #178 buzzsawmonkey

I miss George Bush; there was a man who would offend another country for a purpose, rather than blundering around like a clod.

Too bad the MSM cannot find it within itself to tell Obama to stop the bombing.

221 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #3 itellu3times

A button? Why, thank you, Mrs Clinton, we already have a big red one, you know. It's very nice. We've had it for many years. But this one is nice too.

222 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:05am

re: #214 Spider Mensch

hmmm.the dvd gift is funny. my wife and I bought my MIL some dvd's here in the states fofrthe MIL birthday. MIL lives in Austria, the dvd' didn't work in Austria. I have no idea why, my only thought was the different voltages and the speed of the player...but point is, not only was it a stupid gift, but it would even be funnier if they didn't play for Brown once he got home to the UK. Of course he probably wouldn't bother to watch them anyhow.

The DVDs were given to the homeless guy outside of the airport.

223 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:08am

re: #206 ciaospirit

Frat party!

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

224 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #198 albusteve

I'd suggest his AG stated their shared opinion of mainstream America recently...Obama probably called him and said "dude, WTF, don't let the cat out of the bag"...

225 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #201 rightymouse
Well geez

Poor guy is nodding off from the sheer volume of doing Presidential stuff that other Presidents have managed without the MSM giving the impression that they want to tuck him into a comfy bed with a teddy bear to lighten his load.

he didn't realize being POTUS means never having a day off every week! So our LAME MSM covers for his ass every damn chance they get.

226 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:33am

re: #214 Spider Mensch

Doesn't Brown have vision problems? That would make the movie gift even more ridiculous.

227 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:24:47am

re: #81 Blackacre

What was all that blather from Team Barry about "smart power"? He sounds pretty stupid and clueless to me.
Either that or the One is intentionally setting out to dismantle this country piece-by-piece and rebuild it into his Alinsky-Marxist paradise.
Neither option is good.

Whenever a leftist includes the word "smart" in a description, you can guarantee it's the dumbest idea in recorded history. Smart diplomacy, smart energy, smart technology -- this word, I do not believe it means what you think it means.

228 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:10am

re: #213 reine.de.tout

Yes, there are records that could clue them in and point them in the right direction.

But this bunch just believes they know it all . . . no need to actually look to see what traditionally has been done.

I'm not sure that I would make the assumption that they care. It is possible that this behavior is deliberate.

229 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #200 Diamond Bullet

What we're talking about is a man who, after 150 days in the US Senate was woefully unqualified to occupy the office he now holds.
Elections have consequences...

230 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:28am
231 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:30am

re: #207 SixDegrees

Just what the country needs - Joe Biden as Acting President.

I could be wrong but, I think a Biden administration wouldn't have fucked this up.

232 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #221 swamprat

A button? Why, thank you, Mrs Clinton, we already have a big red one, you know. It's very nice. We've had it for many years. But this one is nice too.

Image: easy_button.jpg

233 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #195 yma o hyd

Even Brits are not 'obliged' to curtsey.
Cherie Blair, wife of Tony, never did.
Her head is still attached to her body ...

So WAB won't be 'forced' to curtsey.

Curtseying is simply a polite way of greeting the longest-reigning monarch in Europe, and a lady who will be 83 this year.

But you can't force people to be polite and show manners.

Didn't know Cherie never curtsied. E2 is her Queen.

I remember a major dust-up when Edward married Wallis and he wanted everyone to curtsey, but the Royal Family was against that because she was not considered royal.

234 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #213 reine.de.tout

Yes, there are records that could clue them in and point them in the right direction.

But this bunch just believes they know it all . . . no need to actually look to see what traditionally has been done.

'Traditionally' - I bet thats a dirty word around PB0 and his minions.

235 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:26:26am

re: #226 jaunte

Yup: give the man some movies.

The Prime Minister's close friends have revealed that he can only see extremely large print and has needed guidance at public events. There were suggestions that if Mr Brown falls or bumps into something his damaged retina could fail and he would go blind completely.

Mr Brown, who was left blind in one eye after a rugby accident at the age of 16, addressed the problems in an interview when he admitted that he is suffering increasing problems with the other eye and recently had to have a cataract removed.


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

236 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:26:29am

re: #213 reine.de.tout

Yes, there are records that could clue them in and point them in the right direction.

But this bunch just believes they know it all . . . no need to actually look to see what traditionally has been done.

Especially those from Pres. Bush's "rube" administration.

237 realwest  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:26:31am

Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta go and eat some lunch and whatnot!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

238 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:11am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Let's hope someone at least tells him to leave the hand buzzer and dribble glass at home during his next state events.

What about the whoopie cushion?

239 SteveC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:11am

re: #207 SixDegrees

And if he's already "too tired" to do his job after just a few short weeks, we may see a complete breakdown within the first year.

Just what the country needs - Joe Biden as Acting President.

No way. When Woodrow Wilson had his stroke, Mrs. Wilson effectively took over. Michelle will be right there to "continue my husband's work."

/Got $5, anyone else in?

240 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:14am

Obama's signing FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) tomorrow. Abortion will be a "fundamental right," partial birth and all. He's doing an end around the U.S. Supreme Court. What happened to State's rights?

241 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:18am

re: #231 MandyManners

I could be wrong but, I think a Biden administration wouldn't have fucked this up.

I think you are right. Slow Joe would have said stupid things, but he would not have screwed the protocol aspect.

242 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:20am

i don't think for a second it's an excusable gaffe.
o feels nothing but contempt for america.
why wouldn't he purposefully try to be disrespectful to britain?

and in such a small cowardly way. thoughtless "gifts" to show disrespect.
o is a petty fool. an embarrassment.
gak.

243 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:31am
244 Opinionated  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:35am
Mr Obama and his staff have been “overwhelmed” by the economic meltdown

Wasn't the media knock on McCain that HE would be overwhelmed by economic issues?

245 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:42am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Let's hope someone at least tells him to leave the hand buzzer and dribble glass at home during his next state events.

take the fart cushion tho....he's a fungi after all

246 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:27:52am

re: #234 yma o hyd

'Traditionally' - I bet thats a dirty word around PB0 and his minions.

Yep, I was just thinking that.
They have no clue about "tradition".
A result, perhaps, of an educational system that has evolved to the point where it thumbs its nose at "tradition" of any sort.

247 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #215 VegasRick

If WAB curtsied to the Queen the whole front row of the audience would be knocked over.

Indeed.
Also - she is simply too ungainly to do a proper curtsey.
She better not even try, or the front row of the audience will fall off their chairs, laughing!

248 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:15am

re: #240 ciaospirit

Obama's signing FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) tomorrow. Abortion will be a "fundamental right," partial birth and all. He's doing an end around the U.S. Supreme Court. What happened to State's rights?

WTF? One more example of tearing down state sovereignity.

249 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:24am

Did President Obama seriously think running a country was an easy, stress free undertaking? If nothing else clued him in this might involve actual work, the before and after pictures of Presidents past tell quite a tale.

250 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:32am

re: #240 ciaospirit

Obama's signing FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) tomorrow. Abortion will be a "fundamental right," partial birth and all. He's doing an end around the U.S. Supreme Court. What happened to State's rights?

He's signing FOCA tomorrow?
where did you see that?

251 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #238 MandyManners

What about the whoopie cushion?

She is busy on The View.

252 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:28:36am

Shouldn't there be experienced State Dept. personnel that know this stuff?

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:02am

re: #240 ciaospirit

Obama's signing FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) tomorrow. Abortion will be a "fundamental right," partial birth and all. He's doing an end around the U.S. Supreme Court. What happened to State's rights?

F... You Mr. President

254 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:08am

Obama's tired. Reid is sleepy. Pelosi goes through the day stuck in rapid eye movement.

255 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #241 Aviator

I think you are right. Slow Joe would have said stupid things, but he would not have screwed the protocol aspect.

I bet he'd know how to throw a good after-hours party.

256 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:17am

re: #216 albusteve

give any Marine staff officer the book and it would get done right the first time and every time...pretty simple

Exactly!

Thats why all the pomp and circumstance here, or the state funerals, are managed by the British Army ...

257 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #240 ciaospirit

Is that the Bill that may enrage the Catholic Church into closing their 625 non-profit hospitals since they won't comply and allow abortions ?

258 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:33am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

She's got a steady gig on The View.

LOL!

259 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #163 MandyManners

NO!

I would not curtsey one centimeter.

I would show proper respect to the person, foreign monarch or no, that ordered that the Star Spangled Banner be played during the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace several says after 9/11.

I still get teary-eyed thinking about that.

260 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:37am

re: #240 ciaospirit

What happened to rights at all (real ones, not the imagined ones we keep hearing about)?

261 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

He's signing FOCA tomorrow?
where did you see that?

Fox News. This morning.

262 pat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:29:51am

The visit thing really put a crimp in partying. A distraction from menu planning courtesy the tax payer. And another drunk to tie on.

263 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:01am

Obama's latest excuse is that he's overwhelmed and tired? He's been on the job (a real honest to goodness job) for all of 2+ months. It's absolutely insane.

The man is truly out of his league and he's running out of excuses. The recession is his. The failures in the markets are his now, and he can't blame the prior administration for the fact that his policies (and lack thereof) are spooking the markets.

He has only himself to blame to claim that he wants to fix the economy, all while using the situation to push radical changes to the health care industry - costing trillions more (which we don't have).

All the while, his fellow Democrats are pushing big government as the solution, while ignoring the fact that it is the private sector that will get us out of the recession.

264 Obsidiandog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:10am

Hot-boxing a pack of Marlboros will mess with your REM sleep!

People liked to ridicule GWB for hitting the rack by 9:30, but he never complained of fatigue like his 20 years younger successor. It's obvious these people don't recognize the special relationship we have with Great Britain, or, after all the demagoguery about corporate CEOs and their company shindigs they were afraid any special fuss for our staunchest ally would be criticized in the press.

265 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:14am

re: #232 Dustyvet

[Link: gamedame.files.wordpress.com...]

No, the one in the room with the red phones and backlit wall maps.

266 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:23am

re: #225 realwest

Well geez


he didn't realize being POTUS means never having a day off every week! So our LAME MSM covers for his ass every damn chance they get.

Didn't the NYT do a piece on his hair getting greyer or some such nonsense? Guy has only been POTUS since January. At this rate, he'll look like Keith Richard by the end of the year. lol!

267 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:30am

re: #247 yma o hyd

Indeed.
Also - she is simply too ungainly to do a proper curtsey.
She better not even try, or the front row of the audience will fall off their chairs, laughing!

On a woman-to-woman level, I wish someone had taught her how to carry her tall body when she was a teen.

268 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #248 MandyManners

WTF? One more example of tearing down state sovereignity.

Catholic hospitals will close in defiance, and rightly so...Federalism is nearly dead with these guys

269 Spider Mensch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:35am

here's the real scary thought..we're all thinking the same thing...jolting joe biden would probably be a better president...omg...that thought will make you wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats...it really is bad when you have to contemplate the lessser of 2 nightmares. hmmm the vampires or the zombies tonight?

270 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #257 BigMoo

Is that the Bill that may enrage the Catholic Church into closing their 625 non-profit hospitals since they won't comply and allow abortions ?

Yes. That was one of the points made by Fox News.

271 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #249 ArmyWife

Well hell, his gig in Harvard, the IL House and the US Senate were so easy, why wouldn't he think this one would be 'cush' as well ?

272 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:39am

Even more disturbing is that a mathematical impossibility has occurred...53% of voters are below average.

273 Pygmalienation  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:54am

Boorish is as Boorish does...
And to think one of his big campaign points was how President 'embarrassed' the USA in front of 'The World'
Sheesh, how bad will it get?

274 Blackacre  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:30:59am

re: #130 BigMoo

That and McCain's overriding desire to run "an honorable" campaign. McCain was playing by Marquess of Queensberry rules while Obama was playing by the Alinsky rules of a street fight.

Don't forget that Barry was already disingenuously and falsely playing the race card time and again.

- "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?"

- "And so the only way they figure they're going to win this election is if they make you scared of me. So what they're saying is, 'Well, we know we're not very good but you can't risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he ... doesn't look like the other presidents on the currency, you know, he's got a, he's got a funny name.'"

- "But, since they don’t have any new ideas the only strategy they've got in this election is to try to scare you about me. They're going to try to say that I'm a risky guy, they're going to try to say, 'Well, you know, he’s got a funny name and he doesn't look like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five dollar bills' and, and they're going to send out nasty emails."

Except that "they" -- McCain and his campaign -- never said that. Barry did. Despicably.

275 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #249 ArmyWife

Did President Obama seriously think running a country was an easy, stress free undertaking? If nothing else clued him in this might involve actual work, the before and after pictures of Presidents past tell quite a tale.

Look how he cruised through being a state senator and then a junior senator.

276 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:31:16am

Obama is physically drained from draining the Treasury.

"Mr. Brown, I've got to drain the coffers"

(Mrs. Brown, you've got a lovely daughter...")

277 Opinionated  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #212 yma o hyd

I hope Bibi will take a very long time before he thinks of visiting PB0!

I'm guessing that if it up to Netanyahu he seeks an early audience with "the One" to show how well they get along.

If Obama consents to the meeting it will be only to threaten Israel in person beneath a smiling veneer.

278 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:31:20am

re: #233 rightymouse

Didn't know Cherie never curtsied. E2 is her Queen.

I remember a major dust-up when Edward married Wallis and he wanted everyone to curtsey, but the Royal Family was against that because she was not considered royal.

Yep - but that was a loooong time ago!

279 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:31:25am

re: #256 yma o hyd

Exactly!

Thats why all the pomp and circumstance here, or the state funerals, are managed by the British Army ...

Outstanding!


280 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #259 CyanSnowHawk

I would show proper respect to the person, foreign monarch or no, that ordered that the Star Spangled Banner be played during the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace several says after 9/11.

I still get teary-eyed thinking about that.

While I appreciate that deeply, I will never bring myself to declare that someone is better than me by birth. Just cannot do it.

281 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:32:27am

re: #270 ciaospirit

We are truly in the 'Twilight Zone"...

282 Aviator  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:32:58am

re: #268 albusteve

Catholic hospitals will close in defiance, and rightly so...Federalism is nearly dead with these guys

BHO will fix it. The government will just take them over. Problem solved.

/

283 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:04am

re: #268 albusteve

Catholic hospitals will close in defiance, and rightly so...Federalism is nearly dead with these guys

Thereby forcing people to turn to more and more federal dollars.

284 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:06am

re: #257 BigMoo

Is that the Bill that may enrage the Catholic Church into closing their 625 non-profit hospitals since they won't comply and allow abortions ?

It isn't that the Catholic Church will be enraged.
It's that since the Church believes abortion is murder, they cannot be a part of anything that is grievously sinful. The opt-out for reasons of conscience would no longer be allowed:
Does FOCA mean an end to Catholic health care?

285 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #257 BigMoo

Is that the Bill that may enrage the Catholic Church into closing their 625 non-profit hospitals since they won't comply and allow abortions ?


Boy! Who could have seen this sort of thing coming?

'Cept me.

286 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:26am

re: #268 albusteve

Catholic hospitals will close in defiance, and rightly so...Federalism is nearly dead with these guys

I wonder if FOCA includes allowing after birth abortion (born alive because of a botched abortion and then left to die). Which Obama voted to uphold in Chicago.

287 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:36am

The Kid's ready for dinner. bbl

288 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:38am

re: #44 realwest

The White House has an office for diplomatic protocols and the head of it is usually not a partisan pick, but someone who serves until he/she retires or dies.

What about the link to the state department office of protocol that Killgore supplied? It seems to be empty, the current head is just acting, another empty box on the Obamanation org chart. Probably Obama, Emanuel, and Hillary ignored it totally. This is part of the charm of the Democratic party, for whom a kegger is about as sophisticated an entertainment as they care to admit, and none of these three have any knowledge or interest in how the bureaucracy works.

289 Syrah  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:40am

This Diplomatic gaff may well be a hidden blessing since Brown had hoped to sell the One on some kind of "global financial order" scam.

290 Green Helmet Guy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:33:42am

My favorite excerpt from the article:

But they concede that the mood music of the event was at times strained. Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade - a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama's Oval Office desk. Mr Obama's gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state.
291 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:03am

re: #226 jaunte

Doesn't Brown have vision problems? That would make the movie gift even more ridiculous.

Well, first, did Obambi even get the format and region correct - or did he give him the NTSC Region 1 versions?

Fundamentally, there is no excuse for the piss poor treatment of one of our longest and strongest allies. All this demonstrates is that the Administration is in far over its head - that there is a huge difference between theory and how one wants it to be / sees it and the way things should be and should operate. One of the major problems with the naivte of the hard left is that they operate almost exclusively inside a box of their own creation based on the theory of how things should work. When it comes to practical implementation - they are lost and clueless.

For the commentators before who raised the valid point about the RNC - remember this - the problem starts when independents and democrats have a significant role in the selection of the Republican party candidate. That is the fundamental breakdown that the RNC has to resolve. That is fixable - the bias and shenanigans from the media cannot be fixed only fought with new and better ideas and better communication to reach the people.

We aren't even 2 months into this Presidency and the parallels to Carter's ineptitude are astounding. Without the bs of the media and 'hope n'change' - we would be seeing record setting low approval ratings.

292 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:08am

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

Mr. Brown brought him a gift - a desktop pen holder made from the timbers of the HMS Gannet - an anti-slave ship that worked the Mediterranean, and sister ship to the HMS Resolute. It was a historic item that bears some significance, since the Oval Office desk is made from timbers from the HMS Resolute, which was rescued from pack ice by America and returned to Britain.

What did Obama give Mr. Brown in return? A DVD box set of the top 25 American movies.

Classless.
Loser.

Here's what Obama was planning on giving to Gordon Brown: NOTHING!

Then the WH realized the mistake and they send some gofer to Walmart. The Obamas make the Clintons look like polished nobility.

293 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #277 Opinionated

I'm guessing that if it up to Netanyahu he seeks an early audience with "the One" to show how well they get along.

If Obama consents to the meeting it will be only to threaten Israel in person beneath a smiling veneer.

if I were Bibi I would not come to DC....either meet in J town or halfway somewhere....symbolism and all that

294 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:45am

Britain and Europe represent the power cycle of history to Pres. Obama. And Pres Obama is their victim. He won't do them any favors. His purpose and intent is going to lay in the 3rd world. If he had a passion for meeting the Brits he wouldn't have been tired. I don't know of any good leaders who get tired like this and shirk their responsibilities. Obama's not ready for the job. It's still above his pay grade.

I imagine some Chicago hands were not greased enough. The PM should have de planed in Chicago first.

A sign of the underqualified is letting the job get to you.

295 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:46am

re: #274 Blackacre

Your summary is basically the difference now between Left and Right...we campaign with civility and they campaign like it's a 'cage match' to the death...it's why they're winning.

296 Cygnus  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:34:59am

re: #120 solomonpanting

Or with a taxi.

He lost it all on 'Cash Cab'.

297 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:06am

"Nobody t-t-t-told me it be like this."

298 pianogirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:14am

The new administration brought in another member of the inner circle from Chicago, Desirée Rogers, to be the Social Secretary for the POTUS. One of her jobs is also to assist in choosing appropriate gifts for the first family to give to visiting dignitaries, so she should be working closely with the Chief of Protocol. An article I read about Ms. Rogers the other day said she refers to the White House as simply "The House".

And yes, the PM of Britain is nearly blind, so the gift of DVD's was rather inappropriate. I doubt the WH even took into account the difference in DVD players in Europe vs. the USA.

We are so screwed!

299 Happy Fun Ball  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:24am

And in related news, we now know Obama isn't Jesus, because Jesus knew how to assemble a cabinet.

300 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #289 Syrah

This Diplomatic gaff may well be a hidden blessing since Brown had hoped to sell the One on some kind of "global financial order" scam.

Yes, there is that.

Rush Limbaugh wins again!

301 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:32am

A four year nightmare with a repeating snooze button.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:33am

What the feck?

What, no feck?

You mean, we're feckless?

303 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #279 Dustyvet

Outstanding!

[Video]

the Brits do pomp...BO does punk

304 MacDuff  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:51am

re: #275 MandyManners

Look how he cruised through being a state senator and then a junior senator.

I guess no one told him that he couldn't vote "present" when you're in the Oval Office.

305 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #293 albusteve

if I were Bibi I would not come to DC....either meet in J town or halfway somewhere....symbolism and all that

He should request to meet in Himey town, with jessie jackson. Where is that town anyway?

306 Cygnus  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:36:00am

re: #240 ciaospirit

Obama's signing FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) tomorrow. Abortion will be a "fundamental right," partial birth and all. He's doing an end around the U.S. Supreme Court. What happened to State's rights?

Miserere nobis, Domine.

307 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #231 MandyManners

I could be wrong but, I think a Biden administration wouldn't have fucked this up.

I don't know - I think clueless Joe would have selected many of the same type of clueless administrators as Barack did. There's more to leadership than just reading well off a teleprompter (and that's oratory skill?) - one of the largest aspects is around who you hire and who you surround yourself as part of your team. We haven't seen an epic fail of this level since either Carter or Clinton's first term.

308 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:36:46am

You wanted the job asshole, now do it.

We the people do not effing care if you're "tired".

309 Cygnus  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the feck?

What, no feck?

You mean, we're feckless?

We're all fecked up now.

310 BigMoo  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #284 reine.de.tout

In the immortal words of Bart Simpson..."Aye Ca rumba" !

311 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:37:29am

re: #140 Racer X

Oh it gets better. Spotted this on ebay.

Expert diplomacy.

Heh.


Blocked by corporate, what are we looking at?

312 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:08am

re: #291 Athos

Well, first, did Obambi even get the format and region correct - or did he give him the NTSC Region 1 versions?

Fundamentally, there is no excuse for the piss poor treatment of one of our longest and strongest allies. All this demonstrates is that the Administration is in far over its head - that there is a huge difference between theory and how one wants it to be / sees it and the way things should be and should operate. One of the major problems with the naivte of the hard left is that they operate almost exclusively inside a box of their own creation based on the theory of how things should work. When it comes to practical implementation - they are lost and clueless.

For the commentators before who raised the valid point about the RNC - remember this - the problem starts when independents and democrats have a significant role in the selection of the Republican party candidate. That is the fundamental breakdown that the RNC has to resolve. That is fixable - the bias and shenanigans from the media cannot be fixed only fought with new and better ideas and better communication to reach the people.

We aren't even 2 months into this Presidency and the parallels to Carter's ineptitude are astounding. Without the bs of the media and 'hope n'change' - we would be seeing record setting low approval ratings.

To 'ACORN like' community organizers Great Britain represents the slave owners state. There are plenty of them that are vocal about this. It's just hidden by the media until more of the population can be indoctrinated.

313 Shanimal1918  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:18am

I do believe this article from the Telegragh UK nails it:

Was 'Lady Macbeth' behind Barack Obama's snub of Gordon Brown?

314 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:21am

re: #304 MacDuff

He's cruised through on the USA's unconstitutional affirmative action stuff, which constitutes a de facto title of nobility, with all the pernicious effects of nobility; now you see incompetent leadership which thinks its hot stuff.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:29am

re: #311 Rancher

Blocked by corporate, what are we looking at?

Fake Ebay page...brown trying to sell 24 dvd box set.

316 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:45am

re: #239 SteveC

No way. When Woodrow Wilson had his stroke, Mrs. Wilson effectively took over. Michelle will be right there to "continue my husband's work."

/Got $5, anyone else in?

Severely unconstitutional. Behavior far less overt than that got Hillary locked in the closet for most of her husband's Presidency, thanks to the mishandling of her "health care commission." Biden pretty much defines the word "twit," but he has allies back in the Senate that wouldn't sit still for such a thing, and Harry Reid's shaky control would go swirling right down the drain.

317 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #292 Alouette

Here's what Obama was planning on giving to Gordon Brown: NOTHING!

Then the WH realized the mistake and they send some gofer to Walmart. The Obamas make the Clintons look like polished nobility.

Wrong. The set was printed up for the White House at BHO direction.

318 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:39:07am

re: #306 Cygnus

We will need Big Mercy.

319 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:39:21am

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

320 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #286 ciaospirit

I wonder if FOCA includes allowing after birth abortion (born alive because of a botched abortion and then left to die). Which Obama voted to uphold in Chicago.

don't know...this bill is all smoke...it is needless and only serves to showcase BOs extremism and he is gonna piss off a whole lot of people...there is a constitutional right to an abortion, fine....now he is forcing people to perform them and that is just fundamentally wrong...what about a court ordered execution?....he's a mindless dolt to do this

321 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:39:50am

quick - RESET BUTTONS for EVERYBODY!

322 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #278 yma o hyd

Yep - but that was a loooong time ago!

Well...there's also Diana. When she and Charles were divorced, she was no longer HRH. I believe it was Princess Michael of Kent (who Diana hated) who said that she didn't have to curtsey to her when that happened.

Anyway, we'll see what Michelle does when she meets QE2.

323 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #314 Ojoe

it's

PIMF

324 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #312 hazzyday

To 'ACORN like' community organizers Great Britain represents the slave owners state. There are plenty of them that are vocal about this. It's just hidden by the media until more of the population can be indoctrinated.

It would probably be safe to assume that their 'urban studies' coursework in University never covered William Wilberforce hence their cluelessness around this subject.

But then, facts never really matter with these types, its all about 'feelings' and 'perceptions'.

325 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:40:29am

re: #317 swamprat

Wrong. The set was printed up for the White House at BHO direction.

You mean this crass assholery was actually premeditated?

326 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:40:44am

re: #319 Cognito

?
please elaborate

327 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:40:52am

I'm So Tired
/blazing saddles

328 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:41:05am
329 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #305 VegasRick

He should request to meet in Himey town, with jessie jackson. Where is that town anyway?

perfect!....write a letter and make it official...seriously

330 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:41:47am

Could be worse. The Obama's could have run the Browns over to McDonald's for the state dinner.

331 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #140 Racer X

Good stuff!

332 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #325 Alouette
Suspect britain got class c standard giftset.

333 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #322 rightymouse

Anyway, we'll see what Michelle does when she meets QE2.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Queen declined to take the audience. Of course, if that would happen it would be because of 'racism' not over the diplomatic insults paid to the PM.

334 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:42:52am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

No Cog is going to trot out the theory that Obama is getting back at the English for their treatment of Kenya, when it was their colony.

Trot out in 3,2,1...

Asshole.

335 chotii  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:43:04am

Joe Biden himself said:

"Barack gets it...And I'll tell you why I'm telling you this: because we're going to find ourselves in real trouble when we get elected...We're gonna have the largest systemic deficit in modern – not modern – in the history of the world...So there are going to be a lot of tough decisions Barack's gonna have to make, a lot of very tough decisions, including on foreign policy. And here's the point I want to make: mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy...we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence in the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right. Because all these decisions, all these decisions, once they're made if they work, then they weren't viewed as a crisis. If they don't work, it's viewed as you didn't make the right decision...."

Huh. Generated crisis: check. (nothing about WHO generates the crisis - does it count if Obama generates it himself?)

So....if your decisions work, then they weren't viewed as a crisis. And if they don't work, it's viewed as you 'didn't make the right decision'? Um no. If they don't work, maybe we lose one of the best, oldest, and strongest allies we've ever had, and maybe a lot of us get killed or worse.....and all because "He's not getting enough sleep"?

336 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:43:20am

re: #330 Perplexed

Could be worse. The Obama's could have run the Browns over to McDonald's for the state dinner.

Mac and Don's Supper Club....:)

337 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:43:28am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

so who gives a shit?....that was then...BO is a conceited asshole...CHANGE!

338 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:43:43am

i will never be able to say president. . . . (obama).
never.

339 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #330 Perplexed

Word inside the beltway is they thought about it, but traffic was really bad. It was a shame because they would have had happy meal toys for the Brown's boys. Instead they had to run to the White House gift shops for helicopter models.


(kidding, I have no idea but it seems plausible at this point!)

340 Obsidiandog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:02am

298 pianogirl

The new administration brought in another member of the inner circle from Chicago, Desirée Rogers, to be the Social Secretary for the POTUS. One of her jobs is also to assist in choosing appropriate gifts for the first family to give to visiting dignitaries, so she should be working closely with the Chief of Protocol. An article I read about Ms. Rogers the other day said she refers to the White House as simply "The House".

So she could say "POTUS is in tha Hooouuusse!"

BHO is in the hizzy.

341 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:03am

Has anyone ever heard the one utter the words liberty or freedom?

342 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:05am

Hello,
Obama exercising "Proletarian courtesy?" When he travels the host should offer him a beer and a sandwich.

343 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:12am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

Might be entirely possible.

344 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

Have to big and turn the page to get ahead. I'm not that latched onto my ancestry being wronged 100 years ago. The banks are doing plenty of that to me today.

345 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:42am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

He's signing FOCA tomorrow?
where did you see that?

Seems unlikely. The bill has been in committee limbo since 2004, and hasn't been reintroduced in the current Congress. Without a Congressional vote (and approval) Obama has nothing to sign.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

346 Fast Eddie  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:44:54am

A socialist empty suit. He has lived his whole life in the religion of "God DAMN America!"

347 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Let's hope someone at least tells him to leave the hand buzzer and dribble glass at home during his next state events.

anyone for exploding cigarettes? The silly squirting buttoner is just too obvious.

348 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:45:11am

re: #338 nyc redneck

But he is. He was voted in. We know get all the consequences that go along with 53% of the population having their heads up their fourth point of contact.

349 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

I would agree that much is about Kenya - and the perceptions that Obama has about colonialism given his marxist focused education. But 'racism' and slavery would, again formed by an inadequate education, would also have an influence. Sheer ineptitude would comprise the rest of the story.

350 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:45:28am

re: #321 FrogMarch

quick - RESET BUTTONS for EVERYBODY!

Yes I would like to reset my relationship with the IRS.

351 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:45:52am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

No Cog is going to trot out the theory that Obama is getting back at the English for their treatment of Kenya, when it was their colony.

Trot out in 3,2,1...

Asshole.

In what conceivable way is that an jerkish thing on my part?

If there's a problem here it's with Obama and his lack of tact. Not with me.

352 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:10am

re: #347 The Shadow Do

anyone for exploding cigarettes? The silly squirting buttoner is just too obvious.

Whoopie Cushions...


/S

353 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect that the Protocol Officers have never done this before. Noobs!

It was just a joke gift. The actual gift was a lovely bust of Winston Churchill.

354 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:12am

I'm so tired, I'm feeling so upset
Although I'm so tired I'll have another cigarette
And curse Sir Walter Raleigh
He was such a stupid git.

You'd say I'm putting you on
But it's no joke, it's doing me harm
You know I can't sleep, I can't stop my brain
You know it's three weeks, I'm going insane
You know I'd give you everything I've got
for a little peace of mind
I'd give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind
I'd give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind
(mumbling)

355 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:17am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

Here's a story about it in The Times. Family members and hearsay. A contrary comment at the link:

Some of the statements in this article seem highly suspect. Mr Obama Snr. is said to have been arrested in 1949 yet the Mau-Mau Uprising did not begin until 1952, a year after his release. Also why if he was tortured by the British would he continue working as an Army cook?

Allan Draycott, London, United Kingdom

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

356 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:19am

re: #343 swamprat

Might be entirely possible.

If it is, then this is the most shallow, self-serving, low-browed person we have ever had as president of this country. Now, that I put it that way, you may be right?

NOT.

357 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:21am

Reagan 2012.
He may be gone, but at least he's not Obama

358 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:21am

Rule is that US military officers do not bow to a foreign monarch, our ships do not dip the flag either.

359 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #350 hazzyday

Yes I would like to reset my relationship with the IRS.

Would that we could reset the election.

360 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #279 Dustyvet

Trooping The Colours is the one thing I never miss on TV!

Earlier this year I put the videos in the spin-off links, because this year it was the turn of the Welsh Guards ...
The whole thing is absolutley amazing, every year!

Thanks for this!

361 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:57am

Dear President Obama,

I just wanted you to know that some countries have a separate ceremonial "head of state" and then an active "head of government". In the UK the Queen is the "head of state" and takes on ceremonial duties and is basically the figurehead of the country. Then, there is the Prime Minister of the House of Parliament, PM Brown. He is the head of government and runs the day to day business of the government.

Here in the USA, the President of the United States takes on both roles. So, in addition to running the day to day activities of government, the President is also the "head of state" and takes on all ceremonial and symbolic duties.

So, when you screw up a meeting with one of our longest lasting and strongest allies, you not only screw up one for Barack, you screw up one for the USA too. So, next time some leader shows up at the White House, perhaps you should be ready?

Signed,

DD

PS - With all the Clintonistas you have on board over there, I would have thought at least one of them would have given you a hint about all this.

362 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #354 itellu3times
/the beatles, in case anybody doesn't recognize it

363 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #339 ArmyWife

Word inside the beltway is they thought about it, but traffic was really bad. It was a shame because they would have had happy meal toys for the Brown's boys. Instead they had to run to the White House gift shops for helicopter models.

(kidding, I have no idea but it seems plausible at this point!)

A real president would have offered to have the Brown lads taken up in an Apache helo for a live fire exercise. That would have been sooooo very cool. Instead those boys get some lame toys. No guns, no weapons systems, nothing, but a glorified pickup and drop off airborne taxi service.

364 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:48:18am

re: #351 Cognito

In what conceivable way is that an jerkish thing on my part?

If there's a problem here it's with Obama and his lack of tact. Not with me.

For you to suggest that he is "getting back" at England for how they handled their colony a hundred years ago is stupid on your part.

You were not just talking about lack of tact, you were trying to tie his lack of tact on some history a hundred years old.

You're a jerk.

365 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:48:20am

re: #362 itellu3times

/the beatles, in case anybody doesn't recognize it

White Album

366 MacDuff  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:48:37am

re: #314 Ojoe

He's cruised through on the USA's unconstitutional affirmative action stuff, which constitutes a de facto title of nobility, with all the pernicious effects of nobility; now you see incompetent leadership which thinks its hot stuff.

I remember a book called "The Peter Principle" back from the 60s. The theory that was put forth was that in any hierarchy, people tend to be promoted to their own level of incompetence. Anyone who who isn't familiar with this should look into it as it speaks directly to many of the situations in which we find ourselves today. I think this theory also captures, and explains, the Obama Administration as well.

Obama has a been raised to his own level of incompetence and there he will remain until the American People tell him it's time to go.

It's going to he a LONG 4 years...

367 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:48:39am

re: #344 hazzyday

Have to big and turn the page to get ahead. I'm not that latched onto my ancestry being wronged 100 years ago. The banks are doing plenty of that to me today.

Yeah, but before you smack on Cog too much for this one, the hard left and black nationalism lives on what happened 100 - 200 - 300 years ago. Both Barry and Michelle, despite the claims to the contrary, are 'in' with black nationalism as well as the victimization of history used by the hard left to discredit the West and capitalism. I would not be surprised that Obama has his viewpoint shaped by revisionist history and direct information from his relatives and friends in Kenya who seek to turn that country into the next Zimbabwe.

368 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:48:56am

re: #362 itellu3times

/the beatles, in case anybody doesn't recognize it

instantly...I'm So Tired, White album

369 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

For you to suggest that he is "getting back" at England for how they handled their colony a hundred years ago is stupid on your part.

You were not just talking about lack of tact, you were trying to tie his lack of tact on some history a hundred years old.

You're a jerk.

Right.

Whatever.

370 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:49:40am

The MSM will hide the many Pres Obama gaffe's. It looks like it will be left to foreign paparazzi and the Internet to carry on US foreign policy.

371 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:49:50am

re: #332 swamprat

Suspect britain got class c standard giftset.

I'd like to see what he gives the Saudis.

372 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #319 Cognito

Great. So what? President Obama is now President of the United States of America. If he wanted to continue with his 60s "I hate white people" attitude, he should have stayed in the Senate, or better yet, stayed at home to write books about how oppressed he is. The job he ran for, and the job he got, does not allow for such silliness to get in the way of behaving appropriately with our biggest ally.

373 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:13am

re: #371 Alouette

I'd like to see what he gives the Saudis.

Pork Rinds and a bottle of Jack Daniels

374 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:16am

cognito...what is BO doing to SAVE our economy?

375 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fake Ebay page...brown trying to sell 24 dvd box set.

LOL! Thanks.

376 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:32am

re: #365 Desert Dog

White Album

Racist

377 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #369 Cognito

Right.

Whatever.

Typical Cog. Frames a question, someone challenges the question, won't answer question.

As I said, jerk.

378 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #50 Wyatt Earp

Or how Rosie O'Donnell made Barbara Walters look sexy.

I can't decide to upding (for the sarcasm) or downding (for the mental image)

379 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:51:07am

re: #314 Ojoe

He's cruised through on the USA's unconstitutional affirmative action stuff, which constitutes a de facto title of nobility, with all the pernicious effects of nobility; now you see incompetent leadership which thinks its hot stuff.

That hot "stuff" turned out to be diarhea

380 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #374 albusteve

cognito...what is BO doing to SAVE our economy?

What? What's that got to do with me?

381 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

For you to suggest that he is "getting back" at England for how they handled their colony a hundred years ago is stupid on your part.

You were not just talking about lack of tact, you were trying to tie his lack of tact on some history a hundred years old.

You're a jerk.

The only one acting like a jerk here is you. Cognito whatever his faults is
1) Correct about Kenya
2) Saying nothing impolite
You are baiting him and being a bully. BTW you are wrong about Kenya also, the Mau Mau rebellion was after WW-II, not 100 years ago, Obama's Grandfather was locked up and beaten.

382 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:51:49am

Looks like Obama has made a number of stupid moves...

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

383 DEZes  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:27am

The O has proven time after time that he is nothing but a contemptible little snot.
Oh he has plenty of time to party with worthless celebrities, but no time for a dinner with the Prime Minister of Britain.
If he is too tired and lazy to treat a world dignitary with a little respect,
how well will he handle a phone call at 3 in the morning?
*SPITS*

384 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:30am

re: #371 Alouette

I'd like to see what he gives the Saudis.

I suspect that he feels his presence is the only thing foreign dignitaries need. Such is his narcissism.

385 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #376 solomonpanting

Racist

For my penance for uttering such horrible words, I will listen, non stop, for 8 hours to The Black Album

386 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:33am

re: #342 lifeofthemind

Hello,
Obama exercising "Proletarian courtesy?" When he travels the host should offer him a beer and a sandwich.

and a fag...

387 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:56am

re: #381 lifeofthemind

Obama's Grandfather was locked up and beaten.

He may have been, and he may have made "I was in the French resistance" claims to his family.

388 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:52:59am

re: #374 albusteve

cognito...what is BO doing to SAVE our economy?

He isn't trying, if he was he would be addressing the banking problem. This crises will milked allot more before he does something as simple as getting rid of the Mark to Market rule.

389 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #381 lifeofthemind

The only one acting like a jerk here is you. Cognito whatever his faults is
1) Correct about Kenya
2) Saying nothing impolite
You are baiting him and being a bully. BTW you are wrong about Kenya also, the Mau Mau rebellion was after WW-II, not 100 years ago, Obama's Grandfather was locked up and beaten.

Sorry about the misquote of time there. But, there is NO indication that Obama is doing this for any of those reasons., other than being a jerk.

390 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:08am

re: #380 Cognito

What? What's that got to do with me?

that's not an answer....why do you suppose BO is NOT taking measures to shore up our sagging economy?...btw that new tutu looks good on you

391 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:10am

re: #311 Rancher

Blocked by corporate, what are we looking at?

Fake screen shot of an ebay sale of some brand new DVDs. "Unwanted gift". Seller is "Gordonbrown10".

392 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

Typical Cog. Frames a question, someone challenges the question, won't answer question.

As I said, jerk.

You've not made a challenge based on anything factual, Walter. Your big 'challenge' is to huff and puff and call names.

No answer required.

393 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:38am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

Which, for a statesman or president, is as silly an attitude as when Gord wouldn't speak to Madame Merkel because of Hitler.

On this political stage one simply does not behave like a leftie student.

394 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #367 Athos

Yeah, but before you smack on Cog too much for this one, the hard left and black nationalism lives on what happened 100 - 200 - 300 years ago. Both Barry and Michelle, despite the claims to the contrary, are 'in' with black nationalism as well as the victimization of history used by the hard left to discredit the West and capitalism. I would not be surprised that Obama has his viewpoint shaped by revisionist history and direct information from his relatives and friends in Kenya who seek to turn that country into the next Zimbabwe.

Not really smacking Cog, Just saying Obama needs to be big. Not small.

You are correct. I am forced to go to multicultural indoctrination classes. It is all about the sins of the past and nothing about the future or how to be successful. We have to stand up say our name, and state our race, then we go into discussions about white privlege.

395 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:53:49am

re: #371 Alouette

I'd like to see what he gives the Saudis.

A nice bottle of Mogen David?

396 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #279 Dustyvet

Great stuff.

397 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #371 Alouette

I'd like to see what he gives the Saudis.


a big wet one...

398 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #390 albusteve

that's not an answer....why do you suppose BO is NOT taking measures to shore up our sagging economy?...btw that new tutu looks good on you

What are you talking about?

399 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:00am

Come on now - I think Cognito actually has a point. Who knows what kind of stuff Obama absorbed in Rev. Wright's church. I'll bet Wright had things to say about Britain and Kenya.

400 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:18am

re: #393 yma o hyd

Which, for a statesman or president, is as silly an attitude as when Gord wouldn't speak to Madame Merkel because of Hitler.

On this political stage one simply does not behave like a leftie student.

Agreed, absolutely.

401 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #381 lifeofthemind

The only one acting like a jerk here is you. Cognito whatever his faults is
1) Correct about Kenya
2) Saying nothing impolite
You are baiting him and being a bully. BTW you are wrong about Kenya also, the Mau Mau rebellion was after WW-II, not 100 years ago, Obama's Grandfather was locked up and beaten.

This is the kind of stuff that makes the right look silly. Unless we have empirical evidence of this being the reason he is acting the way he is, then suggesting this is no better than the birth certificate nuts.

Sorry, I deal with truth, evidence, proof, not suppositions like this.

402 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #322 rightymouse

Well...there's also Diana. When she and Charles were divorced, she was no longer HRH. I believe it was Princess Michael of Kent (who Diana hated) who said that she didn't have to curtsey to her when that happened.

Anyway, we'll see what Michelle does when she meets QE2.

Heh.
Princess Michael of Kent is lowly Austrian nobility, and her 'manners' show that she hasn't got any.
She's known as 'Princess Pushy' over here ...

403 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:50am

re: #395 SixDegrees

A nice bottle of Mogen David?

An autographed, limited edition of the "Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie? Oh wait, that will be his gift to Imadinnerjacket...sorry

404 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:53am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

Sorry about the misquote of time there. But, there is NO indication that Obama is doing this for any of those reasons., other than being a jerk.

The poor manners of Obama are a given between us, but I was responding to your attacking a fellow lizard, even if he holds differing opinions, when he speculated on the source of Obama's poor conduct.

405 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:55:57am

But if the Kenya angle was a factor in this, it only makes it even more graceless.

406 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

If it is, then this is the most shallow, self-serving, low-browed person we have ever had as president of this country. Now, that I put it that way, you may be right?

NOT.

I agree that that particular niche is occupied.

407 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:56:23am

re: #324 Athos

It would probably be safe to assume that their 'urban studies' coursework in University never covered William Wilberforce hence their cluelessness around this subject.

But then, facts never really matter with these types, its all about 'feelings' and 'perceptions'.

They ought to have watched the fillum ...

408 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:56:38am

re: #399 Charles

Come on now - I think Cognito actually has a point. Who knows what kind of stuff Obama absorbed in Rev. Wright's church. I'll bet Wright had things to say about Britain and Kenya.

Pretty simple:

1) All whites are evil.
2) See number one.

409 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:56:57am

re: #404 lifeofthemind

The poor manners of Obama are a given between us, but I was responding to your attacking a fellow lizard, even if he holds differing opinions, when he speculated on the source of Obama's poor conduct.

Sorry.

re: #400 Cognito

Cog. Sorry.

410 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:57:40am

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

This is the kind of stuff that makes the right look silly. Unless we have empirical evidence of this being the reason he is acting the way he is, then suggesting this is no better than the birth certificate nuts.

Sorry, I deal with truth, evidence, proof, not suppositions like this.

The evidence is in examining the histories of both Britain and Obama, and then deciding for yourself whether he might be not merely 'tired' but actually carrying on some sort of diplomatic ambivalence.

I've not proposed some sort of new mathematical theory, here.

411 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:57:52am

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Sorry.

re: #400 Cognito

Cog. Sorry.

Accepted, well said

412 pk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:57:55am

OT: Egypt is refusing to let Galloway's "Viva Palestina" "aid" "convoy", which has been travelling by road from the UK for what seems like months, into Gaza.
[Link: www.vivapalestina.org...]
Yvonne Ridley and various other usual suspects on board.

413 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:58:09am

re: #405 Charles

But if the Kenya angle was a factor in this, it only makes it even more graceless.

If Kenya is a factor, then his behavior is totally out of line.

414 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #333 Athos

Wouldn't it be nice if the Queen declined to take the audience. Of course, if that would happen it would be because of 'racism' not over the diplomatic insults paid to the PM.

Our MSM would definitely lead the charge on that one if she declined.

415 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:58:21am

re: #319 Cognito

There's a little more here than meets the eye, as regards Obama and our trans-Atlantic cousins, particularly Churchill.

It -- or at least much of it -- is really about Kenya.

Well, Obama is an American, born and raised. He is NOT a Kenyan, is he?

For him to be dismissive of Brown and the U.K. is as stupid and silly as it would be if I were to be rude to Yma O Hyd of Wales because parts of my family years and years ago were Irish.

416 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #398 Cognito

What are you talking about?

last week you called me a mindless conspirator in that BO is intentionally wrecking the economy....in your opinion tell me you believe otherwise since in the last week the economy is even worse....

417 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:58:48am

re: #388 Rancher

He isn't trying, if he was he would be addressing the banking problem. This crises will milked allot more before he does something as simple as getting rid of the Mark to Market rule.

Oh, BO is trying - he's taking a page right out of Alinsky and taking advantage of a crisis to effect the change that he's interested in. Unfortunately, the change is not about stabilizing the markets or letting the markets work themselves out of the impact of government intervention that started in the late 1990's, but change in the underlying socio-economic conditions of this country and the establishment of a european model central government power. That's why mark to market and other disasterous past decisions will not be reversed. They created the crisis and now use it as cover. It's 'we have to destroy it to save it' all over again.

418 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:06am

re: #414 rightymouse

Our MSM would definitely lead the charge on that one if she declined.

The Queen could rightfully say that she was too tired.

419 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:13am

re: #405 Charles

Exactly.

Obama as an exhausted figure at the hand of the nation's financial tiller would be a somewhat noble thing.

Obama as a grudge-holder -- and I'd submit the treatment of the Churchill bust is strong evidence of such -- is completely ignoble.

420 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:14am

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421 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #360 yma o hyd

Trooping The Colours is the one thing I never miss on TV!

Earlier this year I put the videos in the spin-off links, because this year it was the turn of the Welsh Guards ...
The whole thing is absolutley amazing, every year!

Thanks for this!

1st BN Welsh Guards

Trooping The Colour 2008 (1 of 9)


Trooping The Colour 2008 (2 of 9)


Trooping The Colour 2008 (3 of 9)


Trooping The Colour 2008 (4 of 9)

422 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:42am

re: #405 Charles

But if the Kenya angle was a factor in this, it only makes it even more graceless.

Yes.
Obama is an American, not a Kenyan.

Or so he tries to convince us.

423 Macker  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:45am

re: #50 Wyatt Earp

Or how Rosie O'Donnell made Barbara Walters look sexy.

EEEEWWWWWW!

424 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:45am

Oh Lord! Our best ally in the world deserves to be dissed by the White House for personal grievances? What a tool.

425 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Sorry.

re: #400 Cognito

Cog. Sorry.

No problem at all. And I could very well be wrong -- it's just an idea. Who knows.

426 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #393 yma o hyd

On this political stage one simply does not behave like a leftie student.

THAT is one of the biggest problems with the naive President and his staff. They do not know that.

427 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:01:01am

Master in diplomacy that will end terrorism and all wars in our time.
(head thumps on keyboard)

We are so hosed.

428 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:01:15am

re: #333 Athos

Wouldn't it be nice if the Queen declined to take the audience. Of course, if that would happen it would be because of 'racism' not over the diplomatic insults paid to the PM.

She will not meet with him until he unclenches his brain

429 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #402 yma o hyd

Heh.
Princess Michael of Kent is lowly Austrian nobility, and her 'manners' show that she hasn't got any.
She's known as 'Princess Pushy' over here ...


I understand she's quite an obnoxious character and fodder for tabloid gossip. Diana couldn't stand her.

430 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #402 yma o hyd

Heh.
Princess Michael of Kent is lowly Austrian nobility, and her 'manners' show that she hasn't got any.
She's known as 'Princess Pushy' over here ...

I would hate having to live my life in a fishbowl.

431 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:02:58am

re: #418 Perplexed

The Queen could rightfully say that she was too tired.

That would be rich. lol!

432 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #402 yma o hyd

Heh.
Princess Michael of Kent is lowly Austrian nobility, and her 'manners' show that she hasn't got any.
She's known as 'Princess Pushy' over here ...

I just looked up some pics of her. She not too hot either.

433 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:03:35am

re: #416 albusteve

last week you called me a mindless conspirator in that BO is intentionally wrecking the economy....in your opinion tell me you believe otherwise since in the last week the economy is even worse....

This, again, requires no refutation. Merely italicization.

434 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:03:55am

re: #430 reine.de.tout

I would hate having to live my life in a fishbowl.

If you were a fish you wouldn't hate it. It helps.

435 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:03:58am

At least Obama, in stark contrast to Bush, actually remembered to hand that Churchill statue back.

436 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:04:26am

re: #399 Charles

Sure. Wright confused the Romans with the Italians and disrespected them both. Obama could very well picked up much disinformation, presented in an emotional way that embeds the content very deeply.

Bender might say "We're boned."

437 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:04:42am

re: #298 pianogirl

The new administration brought in another member of the inner circle from Chicago, Desirée Rogers, to be the Social Secretary for the POTUS. One of her jobs is also to assist in choosing appropriate gifts for the first family to give to visiting dignitaries, so she should be working closely with the Chief of Protocol. An article I read about Ms. Rogers the other day said she refers to the White House as simply "The House".

And yes, the PM of Britain is nearly blind, so the gift of DVD's was rather inappropriate. I doubt the WH even took into account the difference in DVD players in Europe vs. the USA.

We are so screwed!

Shallow, gullible Americans with absolutely zero understanding of American politics beyond their pseudo-activist realities - drooling idiots looking for a return to the glory days of Camelot - who allowed their admiration for pretty speeches, attractive promises, a glimmer of youthful Kennedy-esqe savvy and their own basic desire for an easy life and a free ride to cloud their judgement and jettison both their sanity and their reason.

Self-described "free thinking" pseudo-intellectual idiots who allowed themselves to be spoon fed and manipulated by the media for month after month so that they wouldn't see the truth about this man.

Career politicians, drunk on their own lust for influence, money power, and status.

All of them got us where we are today.

Barack Obama was a junior senator for Gods' sake. No experience with the military, no experience with foreign policy, no experience at ALL.

The idiot electorate put a rank amateur into the White House, into the most powerful seat in the world, and my God how we're going to pay for it.

Six months... that's how much time I give it until we are the complete and utter laughingstock of the Western world.

We need to start the impeachment process now.

438 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

This is the kind of stuff that makes the right look silly. Unless we have empirical evidence of this being the reason he is acting the way he is, then suggesting this is no better than the birth certificate nuts.

Sorry, I deal with truth, evidence, proof, not suppositions like this.

o is a grudge holding vindictive thug.
who strongly identifies w/ his kenyan moslem father who abandoned him.
add o's 20 yrs. in the hate america church,
and i wouldn't doubt where his sympathies might lie.

439 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:01am

Posted for no particular reason.

440 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:23am

re: #422 reine.de.tout

Yes.
Obama is an American, not a Kenyan.

Or so he tries to convince us.

Given that he appears to be setting things up, with Freeman et al, for a major break with Israel, that would be accompanied by a fear campaign in media that would imply that opposition was showing "divided loyalty" any evidence that Obama is tilting his conduct of foreign affairs due to his family history could be very important. I think the Churchill bust episode was significant.

441 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #425 Cognito

No problem at all. And I could very well be wrong -- it's just an idea. Who knows.

now you've done it...

442 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:43am

re: #436 Ojoe

"have" picked up.

PIMF

443 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:44am

re: #394 hazzyday

Not really smacking Cog, Just saying Obama needs to be big. Not small.

You are correct. I am forced to go to multicultural indoctrination classes. It is all about the sins of the past and nothing about the future or how to be successful. We have to stand up say our name, and state our race, then we go into discussions about white privlege.

My sympathies. Hang tough, the semester's half done.

444 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:05:44am

re: #437 Irish Rose

But I thought everyone would love us now that the EVIL GWB is gone? What went wrong?

445 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:06:50am

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Well, Obama is an American, born and raised. He is NOT a Kenyan, is he?

For him to be dismissive of Brown and the U.K. is as stupid and silly as it would be if I were to be rude to Yma O Hyd of Wales because parts of my family years and years ago were Irish.

{reine}!

Well said - if than Kenyan conncetion did indeed play a role, then PB0 has shown his mental and political unsuitabilty for this job.

Even King Edward VII, who loathed Kaiser Willy, went to the state wedding of Willy's daughter in Germany, without dissing him publicly.

446 wiffersnapper  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:07:19am

What's with all these fool saying Obama looks like a leader? looooool

447 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #438 nyc redneck

o is a grudge holding vindictive thug.
who strongly identifies w/ his kenyan moslem father who abandoned him.
add o's 20 yrs. in the hate america church,
and i wouldn't doubt where his sympathies might lie.

Then we got a major problem, because that's not how a president deals with the rest of the world. It's not his personal bully pulpit to right snubs to his sensibilities.

448 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:07:43am

When it comes to settin' taxes. There are lots of tricks he knows...

449 GGMac  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #9 MandyManners

I shudder to think how badly he'll screw up meeting Queen Elizabeth.


Haven't you heard? It's not possible for the obammunistmessiah to screw up - and the queen had damned well remember her position in life and give our asshat CIC the deep curtsey he expects.


/oh, yeah...big time sarc.

450 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:08:01am

re: #445 yma o hyd

{reine}!

Well said - if than Kenyan conncetion did indeed play a role, then PB0 has shown his mental and political unsuitabilty for this job.

Even King Edward VII, who loathed Kaiser Willy, went to the state wedding of Willy's daughter in Germany, without dissing him publicly.

King Edward VII had class. Obama, sadly, has none.

451 solomonpanting  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:08:02am

re: #405 Charles

But if the Kenya angle was a factor in this, it only makes it even more graceless.

Obama is turing D.C. into a Paul Simon parody-Graceless Land.

452 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:08:45am

re: #421 Dustyvet

Yep - thats them!

Aren't they just brilliant!
(Gonna watch them all over again, I am!)

453 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:09:01am

re: #445 yma o hyd

{reine}!

Well said - if than Kenyan conncetion did indeed play a role, then PB0 has shown his mental and political unsuitabilty for this job.

Even King Edward VII, who loathed Kaiser Willy, went to the state wedding of Willy's daughter in Germany, without dissing him publicly.

Pressie for you at #421...:)

454 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #445 yma o hyd

Teddy Roosevelt called Kaiser Willy an "Autocratic Zig Zag."

Reference: Tuchman's book, The Guns of August

455 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:09:32am

re: #394 hazzyday

Not really smacking Cog, Just saying Obama needs to be big. Not small.

You are correct. I am forced to go to multicultural indoctrination classes. It is all about the sins of the past and nothing about the future or how to be successful. We have to stand up say our name, and state our race, then we go into discussions about white privlege.

Turn it around on them. Ask them what is happening TODAY. What is the excuse for not succeeding now? It's not the evil white man, he is cowed into worrying about being labeled racist. There has never been a better chance to succeed in this country if you happen to be "non-white". The only thing that could hold you back is your own limitations and shortcomings, not inherent racism and certainly not "white privilege".

Dare your instructor to correct that

456 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:09:47am
457 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

Then we got a major problem, because that's not how a president deals with the rest of the world. It's not his personal bully pulpit to right snubs to his sensibilities.

Exactly.
He is supposed to represent us, and so far, he hasn't done such a great job of representing me.

I don't think he has a clue that it's not about him.

458 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:10:02am

re: #433 Cognito

This, again, requires no refutation. Merely italicization.

well we finally agree...I'm glad to see you've come to understand the grave injustice BO, his liberal minions and the MSM are intentionally inflicting on good Americans...have you brushed up on Cloward-Piven yet?...,.I dig italics too

459 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #449 GGMac

Haven't you heard? It's not possible for the obammunistmessiah to screw up - and the queen had damned well remember her position in life and give our asshat CIC the deep curtsey he expects.

/oh, yeah...big time sarc.

He'll Bring more DVD's...


/S

460 GGMac  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:10:14am

re: #449 GGMac

Haven't you heard? It's not possible for the obammunistmessiah to screw up - and the queen had damned well remember her position in life and give our asshat CIC the deep curtsey he expects.


/oh, yeah...big time sarc.


*sigh* PIMF: "...queen had better damned well..."

461 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:11:48am

Photo: Gordon Brown is welcomed to the West Wing of the White House by Acting US Chief of Protocol Gladys Boluda, 3 March 2009

The British appear to be somewhat ambivalent, what with the diplomatic insult being somewhat offset by their disgust with Gordon Brown:

[Link: newportcity.blogspot.com...]

462 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:11:50am

re: #445 yma o hyd

{reine}!

Well said - if than Kenyan conncetion did indeed play a role, then PB0 has shown his mental and political unsuitabilty for this job.

Even King Edward VII, who loathed Kaiser Willy, went to the state wedding of Willy's daughter in Germany, without dissing him publicly.

Yes. He does not yet seem to realize that he is the people's representative, not the people's "ruler".

And if he honestly did not know how many things he would have to deal with in a day, as the leader of the US - honestly, I don't know how he could NOT HAVE KNOWN what he would be dealing with. How does one not know?

463 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:08am

re: #394 hazzyday

Not really smacking Cog, Just saying Obama needs to be big. Not small.

You are correct. I am forced to go to multicultural indoctrination classes. It is all about the sins of the past and nothing about the future or how to be successful. We have to stand up say our name, and state our race, then we go into discussions about white privlege.

No disagreement with you on Obama needing to be big - but unfortunatley, all about this guy screams thinking small and thinking around the indoctrination he took during his education and in Rev Wright's 'church'. But that appears to be his, and Michelle's nature (ever read her dissertation from Princeton?) - and fits in with the naive world view of the hard left. To them, capitalism and the west is morally bankrupt because of actions taken decades and centuries ago - and that is what has to be corrected.

I think coursework in multiculturalism is now a standard requirement in almost every degree program at both state and most private universities. Look at the expansion and growth of Urban Studies, Woman's Studies, and the related programs at these schools.

464 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:10am

re: #449 GGMac

Haven't you heard? It's not possible for the obammunistmessiah to screw up - and the queen had damned well remember her position in life and give our asshat CIC the deep curtsey he expects.

/oh, yeah...big time sarc.

Well it is England, I'm sure they have a spare unemployed Queen hanging around to do the job with BHO.

465 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:12am

re: #457 reine.de.tout

Exactly.
He is supposed to represent us, and so far, he hasn't done such a great job of representing me.

I don't think he has a clue that it's not about him.

he had no ethical right to get rid of that bust...it was a gift to the American people....that little thing really pisses me off

466 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:13am

re: #456 Racer X

Insurgents attack on US Army at Mosul Airfield

These folks are THE BEST!

467 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:23am

re: #459 Dustyvet

He'll Bring more DVD's...

/S

I suggest "King Ralph" with John Goodman. That one portrayed the royal family in a very favorable light

468 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #430 reine.de.tout

I would hate having to live my life in a fishbowl.

So would I, definitely!
But for the Royals, they regard this as their duty.

Some of the younger ones got it - some didn't.
Duchess of York, for example.

469 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #456 Racer X

Insurgents attack on US Army at Mosul Airfield

Wow, if that does not get your adrenaline going, nothing will.

470 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:12:46am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

Then we got a major problem, because that's not how a president deals with the rest of the world. It's not his personal bully pulpit to right snubs to his sensibilities.

But it's all about HIM.

471 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:13:07am

re: #452 yma o hyd

Yep - thats them!

Aren't they just brilliant!
(Gonna watch them all over again, I am!)

The Sound and Video quality are great on all 9 segments...

472 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:13:11am

Now that I think about it, this throwing into the works of a monkey wrench involving historical racism smacks of White House-Journo talking points cooked up in early-morning strategy session conference calls.

Look how easily it sidetracked the discussion here on how incompetent the White House was, and introduced a phony rationalization for the event.

How interesting that it was by our own journo apologist.

473 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

I just looked up some pics of her. She not too hot either.

She's old now - she used to look quite hot - but then Diana came along ...

474 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:13:24am

re: #391 Racer X

Fake screen shot of an ebay sale of some brand new DVDs. "Unwanted gift". Seller is "Gordonbrown10".

hahahahahahahhahaa

475 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:13:57am

re: #466 VegasRick

These folks are THE BEST!

Hell Yes!

476 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #465 albusteve

he had no ethical right to get rid of that bust...it was a gift to the American people....that little thing really pisses me off

Updinged. It was not his to give back. I wish that someone in Congress would have the balls to point that out and ask for it back.

477 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #465 albusteve

he had no ethical right to get rid of that bust...it was a gift to the American people....that little thing really pisses me off

YES, YES, YES!
Exactly!
Did that even occur to him, you suppose?

I'm getting all worked up.
Last night I was talking to the Roi on the phone about this stuff, and he told me I needed to calm down LOL.

478 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:15:09am

re: #466 VegasRick

These folks are THE BEST!

Makes this old Veteran damn proud of these guys...!

479 gregg  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:15:21am

So what do you think - is this a mere coincidence?

Today I received a letter from the IRS that my 2007 tax returns are being audited. Less than one month after launching TaxCheatStamps.com.
...
There is no doubt in my mind that my family is being politically persecuted for making a mockery of our new Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and the Obama administration.

Honestly, we're scared. We haven't done anything wrong (and I've got the documents to prove it in storage) but now the IRS is coming after us and they can destroy our lives with a flick of their pen. I don't want to sound like a coward, but I'm so scared I'm literally shaking. We've got a seven-week-old daughter.


[Link: www.mwilliams.info...]

480 Racer X  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:15:26am

I'm out.

Have a great day everyone!

481 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #455 Desert Dog

Turn it around on them. Ask them what is happening TODAY. What is the excuse for not succeeding now? It's not the evil white man, he is cowed into worrying about being labeled racist. There has never been a better chance to succeed in this country if you happen to be "non-white". The only thing that could hold you back is your own limitations and shortcomings, not inherent racism and certainly not "white privilege".

Dare your instructor to correct that

What happens in the cases where you disagree with them and they can't or don't want to address the point. Is that they ask you to take the question offline and meet to discuss it with them afterwards. You are not allowed to be disagreeable if it doesn't fit the plan. No voice is allowed for that.

And the excuse for not succeeding now is that people of color are historically disadvantaged and still majorly suffering from the harm caused by white oppression. Which goes on to this day. Red Lining in Real Estate purchase is used as the example for this. Or the over enforcement of drugs laws in the people of color neighborhoods and the under enforcement of drugs laws in white neighborhoods. It is a class revolution thing. Individual merit is not valued. Obama has this play list glued to his sleeve.

482 yesandno  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:16:14am

Haven't read the entire thread so not sure if this was posted.

From the London Times on Michelle's reception of Sarah Brown:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

/Classy my ass

483 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:16:27am

re: #453 Dustyvet

Pressie for you at #421...:)

I saw, thanks - the best at Trooping the Colours is that the Queen thoroughly enjoys it. She keeps a straight face, but you can see her foot tapping when she likes a tune - and when Its over, she smiles at everybody involved and thanks them - and you should watch her check out the horses!

484 Perplexed  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:16:33am

re: #479 gregg

So what do you think - is this a mere coincidence?


[Link: www.mwilliams.info...]

He's forgotten what happened when Nixon did the same thing.

485 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:16:53am

You all have probably seen this, but for those that haven't:
Marines know

486 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:17:56am

re: #477 reine.de.tout

YES, YES, YES!
Exactly!
Did that even occur to him, you suppose?

I'm getting all worked up.
Last night I was talking to the Roi on the phone about this stuff, and he told me I needed to calm down LOL.

I take it personally no matter how corny it seems

487 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:17:57am

re: #298 pianogirl

The new administration brought in another member of the inner circle from Chicago, Desirée Rogers, to be the Social Secretary for the POTUS. One of her jobs is also to assist in choosing appropriate gifts for the first family to give to visiting dignitaries, so she should be working closely with the Chief of Protocol. An article I read about Ms. Rogers the other day said she refers to the White House as simply "The House".

And yes, the PM of Britain is nearly blind, so the gift of DVD's was rather inappropriate. I doubt the WH even took into account the difference in DVD players in Europe vs. the USA.

We are so screwed!

So very true. A college friend & I started using that a while back as the subject line for e-mails, usually abbreviated 'WASS'. I've even got 'WASVS' (added 'VERY' in there) on my car's license plate.

488 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #485 newsjunkie_ky

You all have probably seen this, but for those that haven't:
Marines know

The good old days.

489 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:24am

If Obama is foolish and self-centered enough to fumble diplomacy with a valued ally for personal reasons, he is foolish and self-centered enough to intentionally damage our economy.
His navel-gazing is the core of his administration's incompetence, just as Carter's sanctimonious spriritual arrogance was key to his bumbling.

490 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:30am

re: #449 GGMac

Haven't you heard? It's not possible for the obammunistmessiah to screw up - and the queen had damned well remember her position in life and give our asshat CIC the deep curtsey he expects.

/oh, yeah...big time sarc.

Overseas, they eat protocol for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They live and breath the stuff. And even the slightest breaches are front-page news.

A slight on their home turf will send their press into a feeding frenzy, no matter how much they want to welcome him.

491 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #418 Perplexed

The Queen could rightfully say that she was too tired.


...and resting in her queen-sized bed.

492 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:34am

re: #454 Ojoe

Teddy Roosevelt called Kaiser Willy an "Autocratic Zig Zag."

Reference: Tuchman's book, The Guns of August

Much about Willy was loathesome - but he did have a less than happy childhood.
The one redeeming thing about him was that he adored his Granny, Qheen Victoria - and she loved him.
She died in his arms - something which King Edward VII also never forgave him for.

493 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:37am

re: #484 Perplexed

He's forgotten what happened when Nixon did the same thing.

But he's probably betting that the same thing will happen to him as what happened to Clinton when he did it........which was nothing. The MSM and Barrymania will provide the cover needed.

494 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #455 Desert Dog

Or when you state your race, just say "human"

495 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:18:46am

re: #481 hazzyday

Good luck with that. I tool some lower marks in classes when I was at university rather than bend to the will of the kook teaching it.

496 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:19:37am

re: #485 newsjunkie_ky

You all have probably seen this, but for those that haven't:
Marines know

I never get tired of seeing that.

497 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #485 newsjunkie_ky

You all have probably seen this, but for those that haven't:
Marines know

MAN, not even polite "golf claps"! whew!

498 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:20:36am

re: #479 gregg

So what do you think - is this a mere coincidence?


[Link: www.mwilliams.info...]

Interesting, the guy being audited is selling a rubber stamp that says "tax cheat" which he suggests be used to overprint on the treasury sec. name on our paper currency.

A question on his web site, which he doesn't seem to have an answer for is "isn't it illegal to deface currency?"

The answer is no. It is only illegal if you are altering or defacing the currency for purposed of fraud. Stamping something on a piece of currency is not fraud.

499 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:22:24am

re: #444 Desert Dog

But I thought everyone would love us now that the EVIL GWB is gone? What went wrong?

Alphabetically or a time-line?

500 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #461 Wm T Sherman

Photo: Gordon Brown is welcomed to the West Wing of the White House by Acting US Chief of Protocol Gladys Boluda, 3 March 2009

The British appear to be somewhat ambivalent, what with the diplomatic insult being somewhat offset by their disgust with Gordon Brown:

[Link: newportcity.blogspot.com...]

Spot on - the MFM here can huff and puff all they like, we're actually secretly relieved that Gord didn't get the huge applause from the USA he so obvioulsy craved - for cementing his position as PM come the next elections.

The number of people even in White Hall who want him gone is growing by the day.
The next PM will be Dave Cameron - he'll lead the new Tory government.

501 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:22:37am

2008 White House Office Staff List - Salary

About halfway down the page:

Wallingford, Jane M $52,200 Director of the Gift Office

502 esch  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:22:43am

re: #479 gregg

So what do you think - is this a mere coincidence?


[Link: www.mwilliams.info...]

No.

This is how the IRS operates. Expect a slough of tax cases in the next month in the run-up to 4/15 to engender fear and ensure maximum 'voluntary compliance'. Just like clockwork.

503 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:23:13am
504 Dave the.....  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:23:51am

Sometimes in business, someone pads his/her resume, then gets a job that they are way over their head in. Then you get a breakdown.

Republicans primarily picked on Obama's views and associations. Yes, we did bring up the experience thing, but didn't really get into specifics on why that matters.

It's not just trying to grasp extremely complex economic matters, it's not just how to deal with very evil people (no, they will not love us now that we have elected a liberal Democrat man of color {sic}).

It's also things like this. When the books are written 10-20-30 years from now, the goof ups, the narcissism will be talked about and how that affected all international issues.

505 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Yes. He does not yet seem to realize that he is the people's representative, not the people's "ruler".

And if he honestly did not know how many things he would have to deal with in a day, as the leader of the US - honestly, I don't know how he could NOT HAVE KNOWN what he would be dealing with. How does one not know?

Exactly - and even if he was a bit vague - he ought to have got proper staff who know their job, not cheerleaders who haven't got a clue either but will applaud eveything he does.

506 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:11am

re: #465 albusteve

he had no ethical right to get rid of that bust...it was a gift to the American people....that little thing really pisses me off

Actually, it's his to do with as he pleases. It was originally loaned - not given - to George W. Bush following the 9/11 attacks as a symbol of solidarity. It was loaned to the President - not the people of the United States. An offer to extend the loan was made, and turned down by Obama.

Classless? Yes. Unethical or illegal in any way? Not at all.

507 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:16am

re: #488 VegasRick

The good old days.


I love the commentator at the end having to acknowledge that the Marines gave the 0 a 'lukewarm' reception. lol

508 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:28am

re: #501 Wm T Sherman

2008 White House Office Staff List - Salary

About halfway down the page:

Wallingford, Jane M $52,200 Director of the Gift Office

I guess she was "too tired" as well. Either that, or Wal-mart is now the store of choice to purchase gifts given to visiting dignitaries.

509 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:39am

re: #330 Perplexed

Could be worse. The Obama's could have run the Browns over to McDonald's for the state dinner.

I suppose Denny's was out of the question.

510 Tarheel  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:51am

president mau-mau

511 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:25:08am

re: #501 Wm T Sherman

2008 White House Office Staff List - Salary

About halfway down the page:

Wallingford, Jane M $52,200 Director of the Gift Office

For 52 thousand a year, hell, I'll walk all the way down to Dupont Circle to pick up a gift for visitors.

512 Buster Friendly  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:05am

Barry Hussein treated the British PM shabbily because he was too tired? WTF? What's worse: that the proffered excuse is just another lie or actually true?

513 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #506 SixDegrees

Actually, it's his to do with as he pleases. It was originally loaned - not given - to George W. Bush following the 9/11 attacks as a symbol of solidarity. It was loaned to the President - not the people of the United States. An offer to extend the loan was made, and turned down by Obama.

Classless? Yes. Unethical or illegal in any way? Not at all.

I know the story...it was 'permanently' loaned....btw the president is MY servant living in MY house...

514 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:32am

re: #497 Desert Dog

MAN, not even polite "golf claps"! whew!

Can you just imagine the size font front page headline the nyslimes would have used had W slighted the PM like the 0 did?

515 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #510 Tarheel

Obamau.

(Couldn't help myself.)

516 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:40am

Obama's a dumbass but is this really the avenue of attack on the President? Because it seems irresponsible and blown-out-of-proportion.

I've been watching PM's Questions on CSPAN for a year now and Brown is on the outs. His last play is the summit meeting and most cabinet members don't believe it'll be enough. The trip overseas was one of only five or six that involved the level of pomp that it did. A joint session of congress? There isn't a rich history of it.

And Cameron is just as inexperienced as Obama and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is looking forward to him becoming PM; they seemed to enjoy one another's company when Obama went on his Illusions of Grandeur world tour.

And I dislike Brown anyway. Terrible minister, terrible chancellor. He should've gone for the light treatment and just met with Obama like others instead of looking towards his own political aims. I'll be happy when the Tories replace his ass.

And frankly, I'd rather have the DVDs. I'm an American, not British. Keep the bust of Churchill because I don't care for idoltry of freely-elected men and I don't care for monarchies either.

517 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #509 CyanSnowHawk

I suppose Denny's was out of the question.

Do they still have a Sambo's in DC?

518 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:27:26am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

For 52 thousand a year, hell, I'll walk all the way down to Dupont Circle to pick up a gift for visitors.

just take a six shooter when you do...

519 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #508 Desert Dog

I guess she was "too tired" as well. Either that, or Wal-mart is now the store of choice to purchase gifts given to visiting dignitaries.

Dollar General, and Big Lots got some nice stuff too:)

And on the Visit, he might consider the close out sales at Woolworth's UK, of course in a pinch there is Tesco's...:)

/S

520 gregg  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:28:01am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

A question on his web site, which he doesn't seem to have an answer for is "isn't it illegal to deface currency?"

The answer is no. It is only illegal if you are altering or defacing the currency for purposed of fraud. Stamping something on a piece of currency is not fraud.

Are you familiar with "Where's George"? People stamp dollar bills with the words the words "Where's George?" and a website address where you can track the dollar bill as it circulates. I haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble for doing that, so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Here is the Where George's response to stamping currency:

Q. Is it legal to write on or mark currency?
A. Where's George? does not encourage the defacement of U.S. Currency. The law defines 'illegal' defacement as defacement that renders bills unfit to be re-issued

521 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #513 albusteve

I know the story...it was 'permanently' loaned....btw the president is MY servant living in MY house...

Servant?

Relax, man. He is, unfortunately, our representative. Not our servant.

522 Dave the.....  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:28:21am

#514 newsjunkie....

Can you just imagine the size font front page headline the nyslimes would have used had W slighted the PM like the 0 did?


I love National Reviews daily blogs. This line is repeated almost daily: "Imagine the headlines if GW Bush would have said the same thing".

My favorite (in a very sad way) is "profit to earnings ratio".

523 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #513 albusteve

I know the story.

Then you should stop distorting it.

There's ample shame attached to the truth in this case. It doesn't need fictional embellishments.

524 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #513 albusteve

Upding for use of the word "servant"

Deliciously un-pc but delightful to see it used.

Technically accurate.

525 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:29:09am

re: #516 TMRiddle

Obama's a dumbass but is this really the avenue of attack on the President? Because it seems irresponsible and blown-out-of-proportion.

I've been watching PM's Questions on CSPAN for a year now and Brown is on the outs. His last play is the summit meeting and most cabinet members don't believe it'll be enough. The trip overseas was one of only five or six that involved the level of pomp that it did. A joint session of congress? There isn't a rich history of it.

And Cameron is just as inexperienced as Obama and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is looking forward to him becoming PM; they seemed to enjoy one another's company when Obama went on his Illusions of Grandeur world tour.

And I dislike Brown anyway. Terrible minister, terrible chancellor. He should've gone for the light treatment and just met with Obama like others instead of looking towards his own political aims. I'll be happy when the Tories replace his ass.

And frankly, I'd rather have the DVDs. I'm an American, not British. Keep the bust of Churchill because I don't care for idoltry of freely-elected men and I don't care for monarchies either.

Bottom line is this is NOT how you treat a visiting PM. You may want this and that, you may not like him or her, you may rather have this or that, but this is FAR from protocol.

Bad move on his part, no excuse.

526 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:29:13am

re: #514 newsjunkie_ky

Can you just imagine the size font front page headline the nyslimes would have used had W slighted the PM like the 0 did?

But that never would have happened. like him or loathe him, Mr. Geoge W. Bush was brought up with manners, and Mrs. Bush is the epitome of graciousness.

527 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:29:22am

re: #521 Cognito

Servant?

Relax, man. He is, unfortunately, our representative. Not our servant.

he serves the people...he is a servant...pretty simple

528 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #515 Cognito

That's RACIST!

529 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:31:07am

re: #521 Cognito

Servant?

Relax, man. He is, unfortunately, our representative. Not our servant.

Servant: one that serves others

530 Tarheel  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:31:13am

re: #515 Cognito

Obamau.

(Couldn't help myself.)

more like Übermau

531 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #516 TMRiddle

Obama's a dumbass but is this really the avenue of attack on the President? Because it seems irresponsible and blown-out-of-proportion.

I've been watching PM's Questions on CSPAN for a year now and Brown is on the outs. His last play is the summit meeting and most cabinet members don't believe it'll be enough. The trip overseas was one of only five or six that involved the level of pomp that it did. A joint session of congress? There isn't a rich history of it.

And Cameron is just as inexperienced as Obama and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is looking forward to him becoming PM; they seemed to enjoy one another's company when Obama went on his Illusions of Grandeur world tour.

And I dislike Brown anyway. Terrible minister, terrible chancellor. He should've gone for the light treatment and just met with Obama like others instead of looking towards his own political aims. I'll be happy when the Tories replace his ass.

And frankly, I'd rather have the DVDs. I'm an American, not British. Keep the bust of Churchill because I don't care for idoltry of freely-elected men and I don't care for monarchies either.

Brown is on the way out, but last I checked, he still resides at 10 Downing Street and is still the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Obama came out of this meeting looking very bad. It appears that his staff is not prepared and his own personal behavior was unbelievable.

532 Macaroon  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:31:31am

Presidenting is hard.

And the filthy traitors in the MSM used to make fun of President Bush. President George W Bush makes this guy look like an idiot, and a lazy piece of shit.

533 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:31:46am

re: #522 Dave the.....

#514 newsjunkie....


I love National Reviews daily blogs. This line is repeated almost daily: "Imagine the headlines if GW Bush would have said the same thing".

My favorite (in a very sad way) is "profit to earnings ratio".

It is so sad that the clueless voters that cast a vote for the 0 are still kept clueless by the complacent drive-bys.

534 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:32:55am

re: #523 SixDegrees

Then you should stop distorting it.

There's ample shame attached to the truth in this case. It doesn't need fictional embellishments.

thank you for your valuable insight

535 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:33:17am

Also:

During Brown's first trip to America in the summer of 2007, he was given a fur-trimmed brown leather bomber jacket by President George W. Bush.

It's American. It's friendly. It's not pompous. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're criticizing Obama for doing the same thing. And you know what Brown did to Bush's gift? He gave it away.

So fuck him. I'm American. I want movies and I want something I'll use.

536 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:33:23am

You anti-Islam bastards! Back off! The One was buzzy planing for the funding of are fiend's, ahhh, uhh. I mead FRIENDS, in the PLO...I mean PULSATING! I mean PALESTINIAN! To have formal dinner with them nasty Englishmen.

Signed
Hous Bin Pharteen
Your silent, but deadly enemy

537 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:34:32am

re: #535 TMRiddle

WHo are you?

TMRiddle

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538 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #526 goddessoftheclassroom

But that never would have happened. like him or loathe him, Mr. Geoge W. Bush was brought up with manners, and Mrs. Bush is the epitome of graciousness.


You are so right.

539 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:34:41am
540 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #535 TMRiddle

Also:

During Brown's first trip to America in the summer of 2007, he was given a fur-trimmed brown leather bomber jacket by President George W. Bush.

It's American. It's friendly. It's not pompous. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're criticizing Obama for doing the same thing. And you know what Brown did to Bush's gift? He gave it away.

So fuck him. I'm American. I want movies and I want something I'll use.

You are missing the point.

541 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:36:25am

re: #539 albusteve

I'm the second one from the left, top row.

542 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:36:38am

re: #527 albusteve

he serves the people...he is a servant...pretty simple

He serves some of the people some of the time.

543 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #516 TMRiddle

Little correction - Dave Cameron is not as inexperienced as PB0.

He leads not just the Tory Party (something which PB0 has never done), he leads the shadow Cabinet - that is somethign which is unknown in the USA political system.
it means he's been lierally shadowing Gord's work.
He also is now being briefed by White Hall civil servants to the exact same extent as Gord - this is a legal requirement here when a General Election is about one year away.
So he knows the ins-and-outs of the daily facts the Prime Minister, Gord, is dealing with.
The same goes for the various other members of his shadow cabinet, who are briefed in the same way by their various deprtments.

Thus he doesn't come into 10 Downing Street and has to learn the ropes, like PB0 - he knows what it is about.
That is also why we dont need a transition period - after the election ist Gord out of No 10, Dave in the same day - and business resumes as usual.

544 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #540 goddessoftheclassroom

You are missing the point.

Binber jacket has a hell of a lot more class, then 25 DVD's which for the record won't play on a UK DVD player.

545 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:37:36am

re: #541 pink freud

I'm the second one from the left, top row.

hi there!...

546 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:37:54am

re: #544 Dustyvet

Binber jacket has a hell of a lot more class, then 25 DVD's which for the record won't play on a UK DVD player.

*Bomber jacket*

547 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:38:40am

re: #522 Dave the.....

#514 newsjunkie....


I love National Reviews daily blogs. This line is repeated almost daily: "Imagine the headlines if GW Bush would have said the same thing".

My favorite (in a very sad way) is "profit to earnings ratio".

For what it's worth, he didn't actually say "profit to earnings ratio." He may have indeed meant that, but he actually said, "profits and earnings ratios."

Which is, through a tiny loophole, not actually wrong. But like I said, I suspect he was trying to address P-and-E ratios and screwed it up.

548 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:38:45am

re: #96 MandyManners

I endeavor to render satisfaction.

I shall endeavor to persevere

549 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:39:09am

Yeah, I get it - so we can't reciprocate the same disrespect shown to our CinC? Well, I guess the Queen is their CinC formally but you get what I mean.

I don't see a slight here. I see two people from two different cultures; we may share a language but we do not share the same respect for freedom. And it shows in our gift giving. Bush gave a bomber jacket and Obama asked the AFI to get him 25 movies. Both thoughtful gifts.

I still can't get over CCTVs in girl's restrooms. So maybe I'm just biased. But man I see nothing wrong with this.

550 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:39:13am

re: #540 goddessoftheclassroom

You are missing the point.


I agree- it is the principle of the matter, and such crass, classless and ill informed behavior reflects badly on us. . .see another example of the man's id mentality. . .it is NOT all about him anymore. . .but he is too clueless to get it. . .

551 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:39:33am

re: #548 Mr Spiffy

I shall endeavor to persevere

only an Indian can do that....

552 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #547 Cognito

For what it's worth, he didn't actually say "profit to earnings ratio." He may have indeed meant that, but he actually said, "profits and earnings ratios."

Which is, through a tiny loophole, not actually wrong. But like I said, I suspect he was trying to address P-and-E ratios and screwed it up.


. . . . . .. . . . . . .

553 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:41:04am

re: #545 albusteve

The vertical demarcation represents the duality of my nature. The teeth marks on the bottom right were the result of being nibbled on by a squirrel as I was drying. My position in the hierarchy is merely coincidental but nevertheless indicative of my advanced intellect.

Hello, nice to meet you.

:-)

554 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:42:07am

re: #516 TMRiddle

And frankly, I'd rather have the DVDs. I'm an American, not British. Keep the bust of Churchill because I don't care for idoltry of freely-elected men and I don't care for monarchies either.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

555 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #553 pink freud

The vertical demarcation represents the duality of my nature. The teeth marks on the bottom right were the result of being nibbled on by a squirrel as I was drying. My position in the hierarchy is merely coincidental but nevertheless indicative of my advanced intellect.

Hello, nice to meet you.

:-)

even small redundant thing have significance...you are an awsome brick!....

556 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:42:53am

re: #537 Shay4l

WHo are you?

TMRiddle

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No. of comments posted: 24
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Lord Voldemort's name is Tom Riddle. Perhaps TM is Harry Potter fan?

557 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #549 TMRiddle

Yeah, I get it - so we can't reciprocate the same disrespect shown to our CinC? Well, I guess the Queen is their CinC formally but you get what I mean.

I don't see a slight here. I see two people from two different cultures; we may share a language but we do not share the same respect for freedom. And it shows in our gift giving. Bush gave a bomber jacket and Obama asked the AFI to get him 25 movies. Both thoughtful gifts.

I still can't get over CCTVs in girl's restrooms. So maybe I'm just biased. But man I see nothing wrong with this.

It is just not that simple- when you run on a platform of how great and wonderful and special you are- that you are going to be everyone's friend, and unclench their fists and make up for the supposed bady behavior of the previous leader. . .it is just plain wrong to shirk your official duties claiming you are "too tired" especially when the most strenuous thing you are doing is passing out cookies every hump day. . .

558 path  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:43:05am

re: #260 ArmyWife

What happened to rights at all (real ones, not the imagined ones we keep hearing about)?

PBO is keeping it hidden in the closet with "transparancy"

559 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:43:34am

re: #553 pink freud

The vertical demarcation represents the duality of my nature. The teeth marks on the bottom right were the result of being nibbled on by a squirrel as I was drying. My position in the hierarchy is merely coincidental but nevertheless indicative of my advanced intellect.

Hello, nice to meet you.

:-)


Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall

560 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #555 albusteve

even small redundant thing have significance...you are an awsome brick!....

You sweet-talker, you.

LOL!

561 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:44:22am

re: #535 TMRiddle

Yeah!

His inmates were to buzzy cheating again on their no-existent tax returns and molesting female inmates (like El Presidente Clinton) to have a formal dinner.
Do you guys know they already called Pizza Hut!.

562 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #556 Desert Dog

Lord Voldemort's name is Tom Riddle. Perhaps TM is Harry Potter fan?


Yeah, that was who he was before "the change" I am wondering how the movie will be this time around. . .

563 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:44:49am

re: #535 TMRiddle

Also:

During Brown's first trip to America in the summer of 2007, he was given a fur-trimmed brown leather bomber jacket by President George W. Bush.

It's American. It's friendly. It's not pompous. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're criticizing Obama for doing the same thing. And you know what Brown did to Bush's gift? He gave it away.

So fuck him. I'm American. I want movies and I want something I'll use.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

564 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:01am

We're going to debate which gift (bomber jacket or films) is more thoughtful or classy? Really? Twenty-five American made movies versus a bomber jacket. Toss-up for me.

And Brown will probably give Obama's gift away too.

And: Who am I? Well, I think I signed up last year. I visit this site daily. And I only post in threads I disagree with. I hope that's alright.

565 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:14am

re: #547 Cognito

I'm starting to hear a giant sucking sound when I read your posts.

566 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:18am

GUNNER!
SABOT.
200 YARDS
FIRE!

567 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #563 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.


it's Bush's fault....hahahaha

568 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #548 Mr Spiffy

I shall endeavor to persevere

Words to live by nowadays.

569 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:46:50am

re: #559 Dustyvet

570 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:47:20am

re: #565 MandyManners

I'm starting to hear a giant sucking sound when I read your posts.


Ahh, yes, the dulcet tones of. . . .

571 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #564 TMRiddle

We're going to debate which gift (bomber jacket or films) is more thoughtful or classy? Really? Twenty-five American made movies versus a bomber jacket. Toss-up for me.

And Brown will probably give Obama's gift away too.

And: Who am I? Well, I think I signed up last year. I visit this site daily. And I only post in threads I disagree with. I hope that's alright.

I want my CDs!....sound like trailer trash

572 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #547 Cognito

HAHAHAHA you are going to grow callouses trying to misdirect on all his stupid statements for the next 4 years. He dissed the British PM because of Kenya and now this?

Good luck!

573 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #567 albusteve

it's Bush's fault....hahahaha


Yeah, if you want classy behavior, too bad, we are hip deep in Change you will not believe until you see it in action. . .

574 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #565 MandyManners


That's cool. Let me know when I've said something wrong.

575 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #544 Dustyvet

Binber jacket has a hell of a lot more class, then 25 DVD's which for the record won't play on a UK DVD player.

Many DVD players are "region Free", but I doubt the Hollywood film organization that made the special collection for Brown's gift would not make it in the PAL format.

576 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:49:49am

"surprised at the sheer volume of business that comes across his desk". Jesus in the Haymow. Did the one think being the most powerful man in the world was a pink tea party? We have teenagers in the White House again, and spoiled brats in leadership roles in congress and throughout gov't now.

577 blangwort  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:49:49am

Remember when the media criticized Bush for taking lots of vacations? So, are they going to criticize this president for being a "work-aholic"?

Like many presidents who think they're smarter than the rest of us, this one is pissing off lots of people all around him. He's not delegating. He's trying to be a one-man show. Jimmy Carter did that too, and look where it got him. Even Woodrow Wilson was not well regarded when he was in office because he thought he too was the smartest man in the room. I'm not sure why his image was resurrected following his presidency.

The longer this stupidity goes on, the smarter Bush looks. And we know we can't have that. So the MSM isn't going to say a damned thing. This is all gonna get buried. Until PBO cracks, that is....

578 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #572 Shay4l

HAHAHAHA you are going to grow callouses trying to misdirect on all his stupid statements for the next 4 years. He dissed the British PM because of Kenya and now this?

Good luck!

1) What have I gotten wrong, exactly?

2) I've offered no excuses for his gaffes, or defended him for such.

3) If you think the Kenya thing is some sort of misdirection, or excuse, then you've misunderstood it completely.

579 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:50:15am

re: #569 pink freud

[Video]

I keep a killer liver version booked....just for D Gilmours solo...

580 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:50:22am

re: #563 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

Very true - but the easiest form to excuse inexcusable behavior is to point to others and draw an equivilency. It's a reflection of an intellectually bankrupt argument.

581 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #571 albusteve

I want my CDs!....sound like trailer trash


Yep- we are now the trailer trash of the world- stupid people elected this egomaniac. . .and the economy will not be the only thing taking a hit. . .So sorry Israel- chances are when your need is dire, this loser will be too tired to help you. . .

582 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Office of the Chief of Protocol
Gladys Boluda is going to be looking for a new job soon. I wonder what her job qualifications are. She's really screwed up. It's very embarrassing.

583 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:51:31am

re: #579 albusteve

I keep a killer liver version booked....just for D Gilmours solo...

liver versions are the tastiest

584 Athos  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:51:47am

re: #547 Cognito

For what it's worth, he didn't actually say "profit to earnings ratio." He may have indeed meant that, but he actually said, "profits and earnings ratios."

Which is, through a tiny loophole, not actually wrong. But like I said, I suspect he was trying to address P-and-E ratios and screwed it up.

The key point on this load is "I suspect"........

585 jaunte  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:52:36am

re: #575 avanti

Brown has problems seeing. Giving him any kind of movie is a stupid gift.

586 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:53:07am

re: #582 Wendya

Those people are careerists. They know the proper protocol. The President and his, uh ... wife, on the other hand, are low rent Chicago thugs. This has Obama written all over it and it wouldn't surprise me to find they tossed the official protocol and deliberately treated Brown with contempt to "put him in his place".

587 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:53:13am

re: #584 Athos
The point is I doubt obama knows a P/E ratio from a derivitive!

588 DEZes  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:53:26am

re: #575 avanti

Many DVD players are "region Free", but I doubt the Hollywood film organization that made the special collection for Brown's gift would not make it in the PAL format.


Now run out to Wal-Mart and see if you can find anything in the PAL format, I'll wait.

589 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:53:53am

re: #564 TMRiddle

We're going to debate which gift (bomber jacket or films) is more thoughtful or classy? Really? Twenty-five American made movies versus a bomber jacket. Toss-up for me.

And Brown will probably give Obama's gift away too.

And: Who am I? Well, I think I signed up last year. I visit this site daily. And I only post in threads I disagree with. I hope that's alright.

Your missing the point...or, you chose not to notice it. It's about appearances. Obama did not do a good job with this one, get over it. He does make mistakes sometimes you know, he is not perfect. Gordon Brown has been a less than stellar PM, but he is still the PM of one of our oldest and most important allies. Obama treated him like he was the President For Life from some Banana Republic.

This is amplified by all of the rhetoric from Candidate Obama about how he will restore our standing in the world. He cannot even handle a visit from the PM of the UK, a very friendly ally? How is going to "dazzle" the leaders that hate our guts?

590 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:54:14am

re: #584 Athos

The key point on this load is "I suspect"........

I do not understand the market enough to comment, but if you do, can you think of any other economic aspect dear leader may have been talking about in this quote? He was addressing concerns about the market, right? He was talking about the Profit issue right?

591 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #584 Athos

The key point on this load is "I suspect"........

"I suspect" BO is a commie and is wrecking our economy with intentional malice

592 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:54:35am

re: #582 Wendya

"The acting Chief of Protocol is Gladys Boluda, who took on the position at the end of Nancy Brinker's term on January 20, 2009. A new Chief of Protocol has yet to be appointed."

593 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:55:07am

re: #571 albusteve

I thought trailers didn't have competers?

594 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:55:10am

"THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT."

What is then? Where were you when President Bush did the same thing? What do you call massaging the back of the German leader? What do you call speaking colloquially with foreign leaders? While the British and world press were calling the President an imbecile when it came to protocol and manners, where were you? What precisely do you call President Bush's LAID-BACK, NO CARE FOR PRETENTIOUS PROTOCOL approach to diplomacy? What do you call the same level of gift-giving?

I call it refreshing and honest. Now that Obama's doing it, it's decidedly amateurish. This is why I am becoming absolutely fed up with the nitpicking both sides engage in. Downing Street isn't going to abandon us because Obama didn't give a joint press conference. The PM isn't going to turn his back on us because he got Raging Bull and the Wizard of Oz.

What is the point is that the UK and the US are allied and have been allied and have been best of friends. And both Brown and eventually Cameron will work with Obama unless he is a complete dunce which may turn out to be true, but which at present, doesn't seem likely. Returning Churchill's bust, flubbing a press conf. and giving someone an American gift will not change the former.

595 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:56:06am

re: #585 jaunte

Brown has problems seeing. Giving him any kind of movie is a stupid gift.

If I were blind in one eye I'd be very angry if I thought people were avoiding giving me DVD's because I had 'problems seeing'.

596 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:56:36am

re: #593 hous bin pharteen

I thought trailers didn't have competers?

yes they compete with circus tents in warmer climates

597 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:57:22am

re: #589 Desert Dog

Your missing the point...or, you chose not to notice it. It's about appearances. Obama did not do a good job with this one, get over it. He does make mistakes sometimes you know, he is not perfect. Gordon Brown has been a less than stellar PM, but he is still the PM of one of our oldest and most important allies. Obama treated him like he was the President For Life from some Banana Republic.

This is amplified by all of the rhetoric from Candidate Obama about how he will restore our standing in the world. He cannot even handle a visit from the PM of the UK, a very friendly ally? How is going to "dazzle" the leaders that hate our guts?


By rolling over, hands and feet (paws) in the air.

598 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #578 Cognito

Ok fine. I understand your cutesy way of posting statements and never bothering to back them up with concrete facts when questioned. I've seen you do it for years. A lot of posters get caught up in your net because they don't understand what you're up to, but I do. So excuse me if I don't play your game.

I don't misunderstood the Kenya thing, though. I think it was an intentional injection of a red herring to distract from the fact that President Teleprompter screwed up royally, and you're trying to muddy up that fact with a non-sequitor.

599 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #571 albusteve

The other gift no one talks about is a painting of Elvis, tastefully done in velvet, with a clock built in on the lower corner that plugs into a wall.
Aesthetic and useful.

600 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #575 avanti

Many DVD players are "region Free", but I doubt the Hollywood film organization that made the special collection for Brown's gift would not make it in the PAL format.

Just about everyone I know here in the UK uses multi-region players. It would actually be more insulting to assume that the Prime minister lacked the correct equipment needed to play a US DVD.

601 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #594 TMRiddle

"THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT."

What is then? Where were you when President Bush did the same thing? What do you call massaging the back of the German leader? What do you call speaking colloquially with foreign leaders? While the British and world press were calling the President an imbecile when it came to protocol and manners, where were you? What precisely do you call President Bush's LAID-BACK, NO CARE FOR PRETENTIOUS PROTOCOL approach to diplomacy? What do you call the same level of gift-giving?

I call it refreshing and honest. Now that Obama's doing it, it's decidedly amateurish. This is why I am becoming absolutely fed up with the nitpicking both sides engage in. Downing Street isn't going to abandon us because Obama didn't give a joint press conference. The PM isn't going to turn his back on us because he got Raging Bull and the Wizard of Oz.

What is the point is that the UK and the US are allied and have been allied and have been best of friends. And both Brown and eventually Cameron will work with Obama unless he is a complete dunce which may turn out to be true, but which at present, doesn't seem likely. Returning Churchill's bust, flubbing a press conf. and giving someone an American gift will not change the former.

Grape or Cherry today? I will guess you have a purple kool aid mustache going...am I right?

602 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:59:25am

re: #595 Jimmah

If I were blind in one eye I'd be very angry if I thought people were avoiding giving me DVD's because I had 'problems seeing'.

I am visually impaired and I still watch movies with a little aid. But, the gift was still a gaffe but not for that reason.

603 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:59:57am

re: #599 swamprat

The other gift no one talks about is a painting of Elvis, tastefully done in velvet, with a clock built in on the lower corner that plugs into a wall.
Aesthetic and useful.

haha.....that would actually be an upgrade imo...they are so supremely tacky they have become collectors items

604 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #594 TMRiddle


Your reply is missing a crucial point- how the British people view those "old ways"

As a culture that gos back several thousand years, it is a culture steeped in tradition and in the importance of manners, good graces and honor. In their culture, it is still an honor to serve in their government, and the Queen, while more a visual symbol of leadership than a true power, is a testament to their continued belief in these "old rules"

The problem with the "new" casual atmosphere is that is is not a cultural universal, and it is still disrespectful to many in the old school camp.

And about the whole POTUS? Ummm-IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT WHAT DEAR LEADER WANTS- IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT IS GOOD FOR HIS COUNTRY. . .and pissing off an entire nation is just wrong.

605 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:00:41pm

Yeah, because I really think Obama's perfect.

Excuse me while I chuckle. I needed that. Don't presume, thanks. I don't enjoy Obama's foreign policy anymore than most here. I mentioned that when I joined.

When one disagrees with something so trivial as this, it's nice to know I'll be branded as such though.

606 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:00:54pm

Totally OT, couldn't sleep last night and watched Geraldo! OMG, doen on the border. Didn't know the Mexican gov't had declared martial law in Juarez.

607 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:01:07pm

Oh look! Pat Metheny

608 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:01:13pm

re: #176 uncle_monkey

We were yucking it up a few days ago that not only did the One give away some crappy costco box set, but they're probably region 1 DVD's, so Brown won't even be able to play them unless he took home a U.S. player!

don't forget the adapter
[Link: www.walmart.com...]

609 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:01:15pm

re: #595 Jimmah

If I were blind in one eye I'd be very angry if I thought people were avoiding giving me DVD's because I had 'problems seeing'.

c'MON Gordo. . .look, no really look, use both eyes, G-d bless ya. . .wait. . .

610 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:01:21pm

I am sorry, but I haven't read this whole thread. Still, where is the Protocol Office? I realize that the new person isn't there yet, but surely someone in this administration knows what is required! Did they explain that to O? Or did he know and just blow it off? Hillary also made several insulting mistakes. For heaven's sake, where are the Russian language experts? It does look like amateur hour, and it can't all be O's fault except for the fact that he did choose these people.

611 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #535 TMRiddle

Also:

During Brown's first trip to America in the summer of 2007, he was given a fur-trimmed brown leather bomber jacket by President George W. Bush.

It's American. It's friendly. It's not pompous. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're criticizing Obama for doing the same thing. And you know what Brown did to Bush's gift? He gave it away.

So fuck him. I'm American. I want movies and I want something I'll use.

Fuck yeah, I agree. I think that movies are actually a great symbol of America's contribution to world culture. I'm surprised to see so much of what seems like snobbishness regarding this.

612 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #605 TMRiddle

Yeah, because I really think Obama's perfect.

Excuse me while I chuckle. I needed that. Don't presume, thanks. I don't enjoy Obama's foreign policy anymore than most here. I mentioned that when I joined.

When one disagrees with something so trivial as this, it's nice to know I'll be branded as such though.

why do you say it's trivial?....you have made alot of post about it...it seems to concern you

613 livefreeor die  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:02:27pm

What bothers me the most is the "overwhelmed/ He's tired" excuse that was given. Has any other president said he was tired six weeks into his first term? And telling our enemies he is overwhelmed doesn't keep our nation safe.

614 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:02:34pm

Later folks BBIAW.

615 keeping it simple  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:02:43pm

I'm late getting into this subject but thought I throw this out there.

I've always been under the impression that a Head of State (and spouse) are not required to curtsy to another Head of State.

Jacqueline Kennedy did not when JFK was alive but when Prince Philip attended the funeral and called on Mrs. Kennedy at the WH on the afternoon of the burial, Mrs. Kennedy curtsied and when questioned about it later explained, "I'm no longer the wife of a Head of State"

(Paraphrased from Wm. Manchester's book "Death of a President".)

I'm fairly certain it isn't required in any case. Mrs. Kennedy must have chosen to do so because she thought it was the polite thing to do.

616 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #577 blangwort

But I think there is a difference between leadership, and celebrity.
If I have to explain what we have, you are all doomed. Doomed I tell ya, doomed!

(Just wait till I plan the next car bomb at a baked bean factory!)

617 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:03:22pm

re: #605 TMRiddle

Yeah, because I really think Obama's perfect.

Excuse me while I chuckle. I needed that. Don't presume, thanks. I don't enjoy Obama's foreign policy anymore than most here. I mentioned that when I joined.

When one disagrees with something so trivial as this, it's nice to know I'll be branded as such though.

I did not make that assumtion- but your refusal to see the forest beyond the trees is exactly dear leader's problem as well. . .except you are just pissing lizzards off, he is pissing off and insulting world leaders and their nation. . .

618 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:03:57pm

re: #594 TMRiddle

I'd call you naive. The Obamas are deliberately snubbing the British. Their defenders are saying that the new President is overworked, and hence unable to devote proper attention to the first major meeting with an old ally.

It's the goal of this President to weaken alliances, and sow discord in them. No one is suggesting that President Obama isn't smart, indeed brilliant. It follows, therefore, that all of this is deliberate.

619 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #611 Jimmah

Fuck yeah, I agree. I think that movies are actually a great symbol of America's contribution to world culture. I'm surprised to see so much of what seems like snobbishness regarding this.

I gave her my heart, she gave me a pen. . .

620 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:04:03pm

Cog,

I think I've realized what it is about you that I find fascinating.

As we grow up, we hone our judgment skills. It starts before we are five ....an awakening of our gut, so to speak. We learn through millions of large and small, important and not so important experiences that we need to make judgment calls ....many times out of self-preservation. At it's essence, it's a skill useful to survival of the species.

Every now and then I encounter someone who seems uncomfortable with the whole process, and I wonder why. I see it a lot with liberals; they are hard pressed to make a judgment call and then own it .... they tend to waffle and obfuscate and do the dance. Your loophole comment up above reminded of that. It's like in the face of evidence (not necessarily conclusive, but strong), one will still cling to the equivocating, wiffley-waffley position instead of just planting their feet.

My question to you is this: At what point does this process begin, what supports it, and what are its benefits? It is just a matter of having a preference for a continuum that has infinite shades of gray, is it born out of a devotion to 'seeing as many sides as possible' to any given issue (for the sake of fairness?), is it a safety net of sorts?

I am genuinely curious.

621 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:04:31pm

Dave Allen on Religion


622 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #611 Jimmah

Fuck yeah, I agree. I think that movies are actually a great symbol of America's contribution to world culture. I'm surprised to see so much of what seems like snobbishness regarding this.

because they are cheap and tacky...it's a matter of taste and propriety...inthat case why not give away a Yankee ball cap and matching snow scraper?

623 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:06:41pm

DisturbedEma - agreed. But again, where was the outrage when Bush engaged in the same? I believe in consistency. This is trivial at best. Bush flubbed at a Presser with the Queen as well; latenight assholes ate him up. Protocol wasn't perfect; the Telegraph and the rest of Fleet Street lambasted him.

And cute comment with the grape and cherry thing. Excuse me while I go get my black panther armband.

624 clear vision  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:06:52pm

re: #615 keeping it simple

I'm late getting into this subject but thought I throw this out there.

I've always been under the impression that a Head of State (and spouse) are not required to curtsy to another Head of State.

Jacqueline Kennedy did not when JFK was alive but when Prince Philip attended the funeral and called on Mrs. Kennedy at the WH on the afternoon of the burial, Mrs. Kennedy curtsied and when questioned about it later explained, "I'm no longer the wife of a Head of State"

(Paraphrased from Wm. Manchester's book "Death of a President".)

I'm fairly certain it isn't required in any case. Mrs. Kennedy must have chosen to do so because she thought it was the polite thing to do.

IIRC, Miss Manners (aka Judith Martin) wrote that Americans do not curtsy to the Queen because only the Queen's subjects should do that.

625 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:06:59pm

waaaaaa, i'm too tired, the job is too hard, i need a vacatioin, who's coming over to party on wednesday nite? can't i just eat my waffle?

626 pianogirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #610 avspatti

There is a protocol office, but if the political appointees that the Obama administration brought in don't listen to the career people and take the suggestions of "the won" and "she with the sculpted arms", or make bad suggestions to the first family who don't know any better, we will continue to have screw ups like this.

627 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:07:58pm

re: #622 albusteve

because they are cheap and tacky...it's a matter of taste and propriety...inthat case why not give away a Yankee ball cap and matching snow scraper?

tchochskies for the leader of a culture that has had eons to build upon propriety. . .yeah. . . .riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

628 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:08:58pm

The perfect replacement gift for the Brits to give Obama since he said no thanks to the Churchill bust

A portrait of Neville Chamberlain

(got it from a link within a link from the the LGB front page)

629 Luxomni  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:09:01pm

You can bet the Nigerian Ambassador will not get the same slight, nor even the one from Sierra Leone. But you can be assured of "Most Favored Nation" status for Hammas.

630 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:09:02pm

re: #594 TMRiddle


What is the point is that the UK and the US are allied and have been allied and have been best of friends.

Which brings to mind the fact that the same may be said of Israel and America and look at where that's heading.

631 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #598 Shay4l


Nonsense. He only does that when the AP or NYT is the subject.

632 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

DisturbedEma - agreed. But again, where was the outrage when Bush engaged in the same? I believe in consistency. This is trivial at best. Bush flubbed at a Presser with the Queen as well; latenight assholes ate him up. Protocol wasn't perfect; the Telegraph and the rest of Fleet Street lambasted him.

And cute comment with the grape and cherry thing. Excuse me while I go get my black panther armband.

Bush was not seen as a messiah. . .I would argue this was almost expected from the supposed buffoon. . .and a bomber jacket would at the very least be a gift of some worth, and value. . .not a cheap last minute thoughtless gift. . .

633 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:09:53pm

re: #211 SteveC

The Unwritten Clause of the US Constitution guarantees people the right to be stupid. Seems more and more people are exercising their constitutional rights lately.

as a corollary, I wish more people would exercise their 5th Amendment right much more than they do the 1st

(It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt)

634 Catttt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:04pm

re: #547 Cognito

For what it's worth, he didn't actually say "profit to earnings ratio." He may have indeed meant that, but he actually said, "profits and earnings ratios."

Which is, through a tiny loophole, not actually wrong. But like I said, I suspect he was trying to address P-and-E ratios and screwed it up.

No, it is wrong. you can't have a ratio of two things that are one and the same - it is pointless. He aimed at P/E RATIO, which someone no doubt gave him flash card tests on, and missed. It's even worse that he said "and" rather than "to" - makes him even more clueless.

635 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:05pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

DisturbedEma - agreed. But again, where was the outrage when Bush engaged in the same? I believe in consistency. This is trivial at best. Bush flubbed at a Presser with the Queen as well; latenight assholes ate him up. Protocol wasn't perfect; the Telegraph and the rest of Fleet Street lambasted him.

And cute comment with the grape and cherry thing. Excuse me while I go get my black panther armband.

you consistently refer backwards to Bush....it tends to gut your argument...why can't you move forward?

636 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:24pm

re: #602 newsjunkie_ky

I am visually impaired and I still watch movies with a little aid. But, the gift was still a gaffe but not for that reason.

He has issues with the other eye too, related to reading small print, but I don't think that would affect movie watching. Besides, he'll probably give it away like the GW bomber jacket, he just can't score the good gifts like Tony Blair did.
My opinion is that his acting protocol gal was clueless about gifting, and BHO needs to find a good, permanent person to fill that post.

637 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #625 phoenixgirl

waaaaaa, i'm too tired, the job is too hard, i need a vacatioin, who's coming over to party on wednesday nite? can't i just eat my waffle?

Sorry, breakfast menu ended at 11:00 A. M., Where on the lunch menu now...:)


/S

638 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:33pm
639 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:10:56pm

re: #622 albusteve

because they are cheap and tacky...it's a matter of taste and propriety...inthat case why not give away a Yankee ball cap and matching snow scraper?

There ya go - snobbishness towards movies is all there is to this. Movies are among the greatest contributions that America has made to world culture. That's something American's should be proud of.

640 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:11:21pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

President G.H.W. Bush famously barfed in the middle of a formal dinner honoring him in Beijing. So diplomatic gaffes aren't unheard of. But the Obama-Brown encounter suggested something worse than a SNAFU. It suggested deliberate indifference to the common diplomatic courtesies afforded an old ally for many years.

Conclusion: At best, the Obamas don't care about this old alliance and "special relationship". At worst, they want to destroy it.

641 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #516 TMRiddle

Obama's a dumbass but is this really the avenue of attack on the President?

It is certainly a valid criticism, not that there aren't allot worse things he's done, but it does highlight his administration's ineptitude in something so simple as a state visit. Granted the slights are tempered by most Britain's dislike of Brown, they still feel slighted and as a valuable ally why dis them like that?

642 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:12:25pm

re: #598 Shay4l

Sounds good to me.

643 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:12:36pm

re: #639 Jimmah

Minus the unwarranted apostrophe at the end there. Gaah.

644 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:12:37pm

re: #635 albusteve

you consistently refer backwards to Bush....it tends to gut your argument...why can't you move forward?

Because dear leader is still getting mileage out of it. . . if it ain't broke, but the countryis, blame Bush, not the fact that people with money are wetting themselves over their ability to keep what they earned. . .

645 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

DisturbedEma - agreed. But again, where was the outrage when Bush engaged in the same? I believe in consistency. This is trivial at best. Bush flubbed at a Presser with the Queen as well; latenight assholes ate him up. Protocol wasn't perfect; the Telegraph and the rest of Fleet Street lambasted him.

And cute comment with the grape and cherry thing. Excuse me while I go get my black panther armband.

Did you expect us to bow to your superior intellect? Excuse us TM, we did not know you were in our presence.....we humbly ask for your mercy.

All kidding aside, post what you want TM, just be prepared to back it up. You can hold any opinion here, but if you just toss bombs and expect everyone to be cool with that, you are mistaken. Bush was far from perfect and that has been noted on this blog many, many times. Obama just blew this one, why can't you accept that?

646 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:13:29pm

re: #640 quickjustice

President G.H.W. Bush famously barfed in the middle of a formal dinner honoring him in Beijing. So diplomatic gaffes aren't unheard of. But the Obama-Brown encounter suggested something worse than a SNAFU. It suggested deliberate indifference to the common diplomatic courtesies afforded an old ally for many years.

Conclusion: At best, the Obamas don't care about this old alliance and "special relationship". At worst, they want to destroy it.

So, it is a virus defense. . .dear leader has the classless id driven inmature asshat virus

647 HDrepub  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:14:08pm

re: #616 hous bin pharteen

Hey hous bin, how youse bin. I am mistaken or have you been absent from here for a long spell.

648 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:14:19pm

re: #637 Dustyvet

Sorry, breakfast menu ended at 11:00 A. M., Where on the lunch menu now...:)

/S

iirc......he wasn't going to work on weekends. so he's a mon thru fri 9 to 5'er kinda president.

649 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #639 Jimmah

There ya go - snobbishness towards movies is all there is to this. Movies are among the greatest contributions that America has made to world culture. That's something American's should be proud of.

don't be ridiculous...I"M NO MOVIE SNOB!...hahaha...people can buy their own movies...even prime ministers...no big deal, it's not the movies heh...it's the movies as a gift to a head of state....pretty funny bro

650 keeping it simple  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:14:57pm

re: #624 clear vision

IIRC, Miss Manners (aka Judith Martin) wrote that Americans do not curtsy to the Queen because only the Queen's subjects should do that.


In my original note I probably should have use the word "customary" instead of "required". I'm sure Miss Manners (Judith Martin) is correct that only British subjects are expected to curtsy.

651 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:14:57pm

re: #648 phoenixgirl

iirc......he wasn't going to work on weekends. so he's a mon thru fri 9 to 5'er kinda president.

otays...:)

652 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:15:04pm

re: #620 pink freud

That's a whole lot of text, there, Pink. And I'm not sure exactly what your question is.

All I did was correct a slight misquote of Obama's gaffe. And then point out -- lest this become the exact sort of drawn-out discussion that it is indeed becoming -- that nonetheless, misquote or not, I think Obama got it wrong.

Don't overthink it.

653 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:15:23pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

The snobbery factor is what you discount, as though it has no role here. Bush didn't have it. In fact, no President in my lifetime had it. It's not inconsequential.

654 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #646 DisturbedEma

You're being very generous in giving him the benefit of a doubt in assuming he messed up. I don't. I think Obama brilliant, cold, and calculating in his every move. What happened between the Obamas and Brown and the British was deliberate.

655 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:15:48pm

re: #640 quickjustice

President G.H.W. Bush famously barfed in the middle of a formal dinner honoring him in Beijing.

Tokyo.

656 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:15:50pm

It's amazing how we often spend the most time over that which we deem most trivial. But yeah, caught me.

I'm failing to see what? I'm just looking back about a couple of months to a President who approached foreign policy in much the same way. He accommodated people, he was friendly to them and he engaged in the same actions this community now believes is tantamount to sacrilege. The most egregious offense of this meeting was a flubbed presser. It happens. It happened during President Bush's term, it will sure as hell happen during President Obama's.

And I will not endeavor to figure out Obama's motivations over this - that he's against an old British foreign policy in Kenya, that he is showing his disdain for our alliances. I can't know that yet. If it comes to that, I will be just as angered. I however believe in a cool-headed approach to these things. And a bit of perspective. Consistency in disapproval - I cannot be partisan in such things. Sorry.

657 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:16:12pm

re: #639 Jimmah

There ya go - snobbishness towards movies is all there is to this. Movies are among the greatest contributions that America has made to world culture. That's something American's should be proud of.

But it doesn't define us as a nation- do you think BoSox fans would want that gift? Christ, are you for real? We are not snobs when we respect the people we are gifting enough to give them something that 1. befits the prestigous office they hold and 2. Is in kind with what they give us. . .

658 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:16:27pm

re: #564 TMRiddle

We're going to debate which gift (bomber jacket or films) is more thoughtful or classy? Really? Twenty-five American made movies versus a bomber jacket. Toss-up for me.

And Brown will probably give Obama's gift away too.

And: Who am I? Well, I think I signed up last year. I visit this site daily. And I only post in threads I disagree with. I hope that's alright.

nah..., we're going to debate the lack of appropriate behavior involved.

There is a difference between a DVD set given to a head of state during the first official visit between the two leaders in the White House and a souvenir jacket given after a working weekend at Camp David.

659 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:17:19pm

re: #576 pingjockey

"surprised at the sheer volume of business that comes across his desk". Jesus in the Haymow. Did the one think being the most powerful man in the world was a pink tea party? We have teenagers in the White House again, and spoiled brats in leadership roles in congress and throughout gov't now.

My thoughts exactly.

Well, actually, my initial response to "surprised at the sheer volume of business" was "Dumb*ss."

This is exactly why it matters whether or not a candidate has any executive experience.

660 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #652 Cognito

That's a whole lot of text, there, Pink. And I'm not sure exactly what your question is.

All I did was correct a slight misquote of Obama's gaffe. And then point out -- lest this become the exact sort of drawn-out discussion that it is indeed becoming -- that nonetheless, misquote or not, I think Obama got it wrong.

Don't overthink it.

that's the very same answer you give for any question other than 'who is your favorite Marxist?".....you should listen to yourself

661 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #625 phoenixgirl

waaaaaa, i'm too tired, the job is too hard, i need a vacatioin, who's coming over to party on wednesday nite? can't i just eat my waffle?

"Why can't they all just leave me alooooone?"

662 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #654 quickjustice

You're being very generous in giving him the benefit of a doubt in assuming he messed up. I don't. I think Obama brilliant, cold, and calculating in his every move. What happened between the Obamas and Brown and the British was deliberate.

Given that I really believe the man is stupid, I can totally see how he felt his gifts were awesome, because, well, they came from him. . .

663 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:18:13pm

re: #639 Jimmah

There ya go - snobbishness towards movies is all there is to this. Movies are among the greatest contributions that America has made to world culture. That's something American's should be proud of.

I know I shed a tear of pride every time I see the Evil Dead movies.

664 Cognito  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:18:27pm

re: #660 albusteve

that's the very same answer you give for any question other than 'who is your favorite Marxist?".....you should listen to yourself

k

665 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:18:29pm

re: #640 quickjustice

President G.H.W. Bush famously barfed in the middle of a formal dinner honoring him in Beijing. So diplomatic gaffes aren't unheard of. But the Obama-Brown encounter suggested something worse than a SNAFU. It suggested deliberate indifference to the common diplomatic courtesies afforded an old ally for many years.

Conclusion: At best, the Obamas don't care about this old alliance and "special relationship". At worst, they want to destroy it.

japan, but how is that a gaffe? he was sick. i never got the big deal made about that.

666 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:19:15pm

re: #227 doppelganglander

Whenever a leftist includes the word "smart" in a description, you can guarantee it's the dumbest idea in recorded history. Smart diplomacy, smart energy, smart technology -- this word, I do not believe it means what you think it means.

Never go against a Sicilian (n) Obama when death America is on the line

667 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:19:15pm

re: #656 TMRiddle

Obama's defenders say he inadvertently messed up. His adversaries say he did it on purpose. Looks like you're one of his defenders. Count me as being on the other side. Obama isn't a stupid bungler. He wants to destroy this nation.

668 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:19:25pm

re: #661 pink freud

"Why can't they all just leave me alooooone?"

lol, word! obama! you are the president! hello!

669 Rancher  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:19:42pm

re: #648 phoenixgirl

iirc......he wasn't going to work on weekends. so he's a mon thru fri 9 to 5'er kinda president.

So Al Qaeda now knows to strike on a weekend.

670 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:21:13pm

re: #665 phoenixgirl

japan, but how is that a gaffe? he was sick. i never got the big deal made about that.

And how Babs just played it cool. . .she knew he was not feeling well, but HE WENT TO THE DINNER ANYWAY BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO INSULT THE HOSTS:)

I love that lady. . .she took a load of crap and was so classy. . .

671 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #663 Wendya


I feel a swelling of pride every time I see "Barb Wire", but that's me.

672 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:21:33pm

re: #665 phoenixgirl

Fair point. Maybe "embarrassment" is a better choice of words. It doesn't change my overreaching opinion, however.

673 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:21:37pm

re: #664 Cognito

k

reread Pinks question again...then reread your answer to it and see if you can connect the dots, like a fun little brain teaser

674 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:21:51pm

re: #636 avanti

He has issues with the other eye too, related to reading small print, but I don't think that would affect movie watching. Besides, he'll probably give it away like the GW bomber jacket, he just can't score the good gifts like Tony Blair did.
My opinion is that his acting protocol gal was clueless about gifting, and BHO needs to find a good, permanent person to fill that post.


Appropriate gifting isn't really that hard. The office keeps records, doesn't it? So, when new to thte job, you just look at what types of gifts have been given in the past, and you do something similar. Maybe it won't be the best gift ever, but nobody will say "what were you thinking?"

675 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #655 itellu3times

Thank you.

676 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:22:23pm

re: #665 phoenixgirl

japan, but how is that a gaffe? he was sick. i never got the big deal made about that.

Same here. Question marks floating over my head on that one. When you're ill and you hurl, it's not a deliberate action. He didn't look around the room and ask, "Who can I target with the vomit about to erupt?"

677 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:22:26pm

re: #666 Mr Spiffy

Never go against a Sicilian (n) Obama when death America is on the line

My name is disturbed ema, you killed my country, prepare to move out of the white house. . .

678 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #649 albusteve

don't be ridiculous...I"M NO MOVIE SNOB!...hahaha...people can buy their own movies...even prime ministers...no big deal, it's not the movies heh...it's the movies as a gift to a head of state....pretty funny bro

Well, if you agree that movies are a major cultural contribution that Americans should be proud of, what is the problem with giving them as a gift to a visiting head of state? Especially if, as TMRiddle pointed out, it's ok for Bush to give Brown a bomber jacket? People can buy those too.

679 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:22:43pm

re: #672 quickjustice

Oops! "overarching". A gaffe! ;-)

680 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:23:20pm
One of [Obama's] first official acts was to summarily return to the Brits the generous gift of the most famous bust of Winston Churchill that has sat in the Oval Office since the attacks on 9/11.

This threw British diplomats into a tizzy really blindsiding them. Even when they reiterated that Obama could keep the generous gift to the American people, he rejected it without comment leaving the Brits at a loss for words.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

He doesn't realize that returning a gift without some pressing reason is considered a rebuff or insult? And I was worried Michelle would wear white after Labor Day. (My personal opinion on this custom is that a) White is traditionally worn in celebration from Easter to Pentecost and b) most countries celebrate Labor Day on May 1st.)

681 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:23:29pm

re: #671 swamprat

I feel a swelling of pride every time I see "Barb Wire", but that's me.

Swell of pride = Big Trouble in Little China. . .and all the Porky movies. . .:)

682 soxfan4life  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #662 DisturbedEma

Given that I really believe the man is stupid, I can totally see how he felt his gifts were awesome, because, well, they came from him. . .

I'm surprised he didn't give Brown an autographed copy of "The Audacity of Hope" and some Yes We Can T-shirts. Maybe even a yard sign or 2.

683 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:23:52pm

re: #672 quickjustice

Fair point. Maybe "embarrassment" is a better choice of words. It doesn't change my overreaching opinion, however.

nor should it! obama hates the British! he cut off his nose to spite his face.

684 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:24:04pm

re: #667 quickjustice

Obama's defenders say he inadvertently messed up. His adversaries say he did it on purpose. Looks like you're one of his defenders. Count me as being on the other side. Obama isn't a stupid bungler. He wants to destroy this nation.

That is insane...lol

685 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #677 DisturbedEma

My name is disturbed ema, you killed my country, prepare to move out of the white house. . .

And it had better be clean, with no damage other then normal ware and tear, or you not getting your deposit back...:)

/S

686 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:24:42pm

re: #676 Silvergirl

Same here. Question marks floating over my head on that one. When you're ill and you hurl, it's not a deliberate action. He didn't look around the room and ask, "Who can I target with the vomit about to erupt?"


If memory serves, he hurled under the table. . .to avoid making others see it. . .

687 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #682 soxfan4life

I'm surprised he didn't give Brown an autographed copy of "The Audacity of Hope" and some Yes We Can T-shirts. Maybe even a yard sign or 2.

He's saving that for the Queen.

688 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:25:33pm

re: #685 Dustyvet

And it had better be clean, with no damage other then normal ware and tear, or you not getting your deposit back...:)

/S

And nail holes must be filled in, and yes, clean under the frig. . .

689 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:25:36pm

re: #678 Jimmah

Well, if you agree that movies are a major cultural contribution that Americans should be proud of, what is the problem with giving them as a gift to a visiting head of state? Especially if, as TMRiddle pointed out, it's ok for Bush to give Brown a bomber jacket? People can buy those too.

my answer is #649...why do keep asking?...and Bush retired, BO is his own man eh?

690 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:25:41pm

I look back because past is prologue. I have no aims to prop Obama up any more than he ever deserves, which at present, is little.

And if we're going down the avenue of "moving forward", why bring up what Candidate Obama said or did? See? Not so easy. I don't know if President's ever showed disdain or w/e. I don't think Obama showed disdain in this instance. Rookies make rookie mistakes.

Obama called him after the joint session and talked with him for ten minutes about how much he loved the gift. He may have been apologizing, groveling or just bullshitting. Maybe next time he'll get him a bomber jacket, which is apparently infinitely more worth-while than 25 movies (if that's the consensus).

Obama's learning the Presidency ain't sitting on your ass gazing at the ceiling waiting for 2012. I expect mistakes; I look to our previous Presidents to know they happen. I don't care what the press thinks of Obama - I'm not going to change my belief that an American president does not need to feel guilty for flubbing silly protocols.

As for my involvement here - this is the first time I've really disagreed with anything. So I doubt I'll be involved as much as you think unless this happens often :P.

691 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:25:55pm

re: #670 DisturbedEma

I love that lady. . .she took a load of crap and was so classy. . .

IS IS IS!

We still love her too. A LOT. :-)

/scary surgery she just went through

692 jjmckay1216  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:26:25pm

re: #665 phoenixgirl

easy, he's a republican

693 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:26:44pm

re: #684 Jimmah

That is insane...lol

then why is he wrecking the economy?

694 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:26:44pm

re: #682 soxfan4life

I'm surprised he didn't give Brown an autographed copy of "The Audacity of Hope" and some Yes We Can T-shirts. Maybe even a yard sign or 2.

and his dinner plate, and coin with his resemblance. maybe a toss is a snuggie, slap chop, sham wow and aqua globe!

695 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:26:45pm

re: #688 DisturbedEma

And nail holes must be filled in, and yes, clean under the frig. . .

And just when did you clean that oven last?...:)

696 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:27:22pm

re: #678 Jimmah

Well, if you agree that movies are a major cultural contribution that Americans should be proud of, what is the problem with giving them as a gift to a visiting head of state? Especially if, as TMRiddle pointed out, it's ok for Bush to give Brown a bomber jacket? People can buy those too.

And hey it was used by people who did government work even when they were tired. . .

I see, Bush default at fault for you. . .just cannot bring yourself to see this from the British point of view. . .got it

697 Bob Z  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:27:23pm

No this is the plan. When Castro comes to the White House Obama will throw a big party with all the Hollywood stars!

698 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

Maybe next time he'll get him a bomber jacket, which is apparently infinitely more worth-while than 25 movies (if that's the consensus).

The left has been running with the jacket story to mitigate the perception of Obama as a shitty and thoughtless gift giver.


The Jacket was a souvenir given to leaders who attended Camp David weekends, not formal state visits.

699 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

SILLY PROTOCOLS?

Good grief. Don't you understand that protocol is an essential tool in conducting foreign policy so as to keep the waters smooth, the eyebrows un-arched?

700 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:28:32pm

re: #667 quickjustice

Why the automatic two-camps? That's... just not who I am. He's a pol, so he'll do what a pol does. All pols do it. And if people want to play along with both parties in that, that's fine. I can understand it near election time but it's a bit off - and now it's just a situation that happened.

I can analyze it independently and see it's not a big deal in the scheme of things.

701 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

I look back because past is prologue. I have no aims to prop Obama up any more than he ever deserves, which at present, is little.

And if we're going down the avenue of "moving forward", why bring up what Candidate Obama said or did? See? Not so easy. I don't know if President's ever showed disdain or w/e. I don't think Obama showed disdain in this instance. Rookies make rookie mistakes.

Obama called him after the joint session and talked with him for ten minutes about how much he loved the gift. He may have been apologizing, groveling or just bullshitting. Maybe next time he'll get him a bomber jacket, which is apparently infinitely more worth-while than 25 movies (if that's the consensus).

Obama's learning the Presidency ain't sitting on your ass gazing at the ceiling waiting for 2012. I expect mistakes; I look to our previous Presidents to know they happen. I don't care what the press thinks of Obama - I'm not going to change my belief that an American president does not need to feel guilty for flubbing silly protocols.

As for my involvement here - this is the first time I've really disagreed with anything. So I doubt I'll be involved as much as you think unless this happens often :P.

Oh, I don't think he's gazing at the ceiling waiting for 2012, I think he's spending his time actively campaigning instead of rolling up his sleeves and staying in the WH and going to work. All of his campaigning is what's making him tired.

702 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:29:26pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

I look back because past is prologue. I have no aims to prop Obama up any more than he ever deserves, which at present, is little.

And if we're going down the avenue of "moving forward", why bring up what Candidate Obama said or did? See? Not so easy. I don't know if President's ever showed disdain or w/e. I don't think Obama showed disdain in this instance. Rookies make rookie mistakes.

Obama called him after the joint session and talked with him for ten minutes about how much he loved the gift. He may have been apologizing, groveling or just bullshitting. Maybe next time he'll get him a bomber jacket, which is apparently infinitely more worth-while than 25 movies (if that's the consensus).

Obama's learning the Presidency ain't sitting on your ass gazing at the ceiling waiting for 2012. I expect mistakes; I look to our previous Presidents to know they happen. I don't care what the press thinks of Obama - I'm not going to change my belief that an American president does not need to feel guilty for flubbing silly protocols.

As for my involvement here - this is the first time I've really disagreed with anything. So I doubt I'll be involved as much as you think unless this happens often :P.

It's not what the gift is. The "think", the item that the gift is is less important than the appropriateness of the gift to the occasion for which the gift is presented.

That's what Obama got wrong, really really wrong.

703 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #691 pink freud

IS IS IS!

We still love her too. A LOT. :-)

/scary surgery she just went through

sorry, did not mean anything by it, :) I meant was, as in while she was First Lady and while her son was being, I mean IS being ravaged in public, including those pictures on Kozkrap of Jenna's wedding

704 slicerdicer  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:30:20pm

That's why bo is so tired. Takes a while to digest those $100 per pound steaks. Poor baby.......

705 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:30:22pm

re: #699 MandyManners

SILLY PROTOCOLS?

Good grief. Don't you understand that protocol is an essential tool in conducting foreign policy so as to keep the waters smooth, the eyebrows un-arched?

i can only hope he sits down with some persians, crosses his leg and inadvertently shows them the bottom of his shoe. or maybe touching and arab with his "unclean" hand.

706 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #702 reine.de.tout

It's not what the gift is. The "thinkthing", the item that the gift is is less important than the appropriateness of the gift to the occasion for which the gift is presented.

That's what Obama got wrong, really really wrong.

pimf

707 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:30:58pm

Mah po' widdle haid iz 'boutta' 'splode. bbiaw

708 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:31:02pm

re: #705 phoenixgirl

i can only hope he sits down with some persians, crosses his leg and inadvertently shows them the bottom of his shoe. or maybe touching and arab with his "unclean" hand.

Whatcha wanna bet he gets that one right?

709 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #705 phoenixgirl

i can only hope he sits down with some persians, crosses his leg and inadvertently shows them the bottom of his shoe. or maybe touching and arab with his "unclean" hand.

good point

710 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #708 reine.de.tout

Whatcha wanna bet he gets that one right?

i know

711 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:31:58pm

re: #705 phoenixgirl

i can only hope he sits down with some persians, crosses his leg and inadvertently shows them the bottom of his shoe. or maybe touching and arab with his "unclean" hand.

There is no way on earth he would do either of those things.

712 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #711 MandyManners

There is no way on earth he would do either of those things.

i know, really just wishful thinking

713 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:32:29pm

You jest, but I heard there's an announcement in the works for Monday (?) re our relationship with Cuba.

714 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:32:56pm

re: #689 albusteve

my answer is #649...why do keep asking?...and Bush retired, BO is his own man eh?

Bush was president at the time he made that gift to Brown in 2007. So if Obamas gift was such a terrible faux-pas, why not Bush's gift as well? As with any gift it seems to me one could value or disparage both of those gifts, there's nothing especially terrible about Obama's.

715 jjmckay1216  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

Rookies make rookie mistakes.

I think that's the problem, TM. He has no experience, period, and it is showing in volumes. He has no clue what the hell he is doing. He has never run anything. The only thing he is good at is "campaigning". PERIOD. This is just another instance where he shows how much a rookie he is, that and the fact there wasn't the joint presser and I believe that is what the Brits are more po'd at. Not JUST the gift thing.

716 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:33:40pm

And, even if he did know better but did either any way, I'd be horrified. Good manners are good manners. If you want to diss another nation, boot out that nation's ambassador and his staff.

717 soxfan4life  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:33:47pm

re: #708 reine.de.tout

Whatcha wanna bet he gets that one right?

He did say the muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound on earth. I'm sure it moves him much more than our National Anthem, or America the Beautiful.

718 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #684 Jimmah

Prove it. Prove that my theory is any less valid than yours.

719 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:34:13pm

re: #705 phoenixgirl

i can only hope he sits down with some persians, crosses his leg and inadvertently shows them the bottom of his shoe. or maybe touching and arab with his "unclean" hand.

I'm sure the gift office is preoccupied, we should could them some slack, while they're planning gifts for Ahmadinijad, Hezboolah, and Turduken.

720 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:34:29pm

re: #714 Jimmah

Bush was president at the time he made that gift to Brown in 2007. So if Obamas gift was such a terrible faux-pas, why not Bush's gift as well? As with any gift it seems to me one could value or disparage both of those gifts, there's nothing especially terrible about Obama's.

it was a gift you can buy at a five and dime...it's not complicated and it's not about Bush

721 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:34:46pm

re: #700 TMRiddle

Why the automatic two-camps? That's... just not who I am. He's a pol, so he'll do what a pol does. All pols do it. And if people want to play along with both parties in that, that's fine. I can understand it near election time but it's a bit off - and now it's just a situation that happened.

I can analyze it independently and see it's not a big deal in the scheme of things.

A "pol" doing what "pols" do would have known better than to act this way. . .so which is it?

Is he "learning" or is he just a "pol" when it comes to running for office? When you consider that the majority of his "accomplishments" have been winning elections, it seems that he likes RUNNING for office, but once there he is not really a fan of the people's business. . .just his won

722 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:35:14pm

re: #719 itellu3times

I'm sure the gift office is preoccupied, we should cut them some slack, while they're planning gifts for Ahmadinijad, Hezboolah, and Turducken.

/i am just full of typos this morning

723 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:35:19pm

re: #697 Bob Z


What about having Stalin there too? They can then show the movie "Weekend at Bernies" to every one!

724 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:35:19pm

re: #719 itellu3times

I'm sure the gift office is preoccupied, we should could them some slack, while they're planning gifts for Ahmadinijad, Hezboolah, and Turduken.

exactly! and full honors upon their arrival at the white house

725 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:35:22pm

re: #693 albusteve

then why is he wrecking the economy?

Deliberately? That's the insane part.

726 Paul  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:35:34pm

I suspect Obama will treat America's traditional friends and allies in a similar manner. He's more interested in reaching out to leftists and Islamists, people he can identify with as outsiders, people who think like him.

727 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:02pm

re: #700 TMRiddle

It's a data point. And in the gradual accretion of data points, you'll begin to see patterns emerge. Maybe this is an outlier. But based upon Obama's keen intellect, I think not.

728 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:06pm

re: #623 TMRiddle

There was plenty of outrage when Bush 43 made protocol errors. As you yourself mentioned, from the late-night comedians. Also from the MSM. And some of them got discussed here, with chagrin, or defensiveness, or disgust, or concern for the consequences, depending on the poster.

Obama's diplomatic flubs get discussed here with extra outrage because of several factors:

1. He promised to restore America's standing in the world. (Perhaps you don't recall that Bush 43 campaigned in 2000 with a focus on domestic issues. He didn't pretend to be a foreign policy genius.)

2. He portrayed himself as a brilliant, sophisticated guy, able to speak to any audience.

3. The American media is largely giving him a pass. (In case you hadn't noticed, we discuss things more when the MSM ignores or tries to ignore them.)

729 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:17pm

Why would I care what the British media thinks? Or the British people? The British people shit on our President, the British Media did the same.

And stop with the "don't look back, it's bad!" bullshit. What am I supposed to do to backup my belief system? Oh, he's a Democrat or a Repblican. Guess that solves all the problems. The situation is the same; the scenario is the same. The only difference is partisan-based.

And I typed Brown Obama in google and news-searched it since this is the first time I had heard about it. Almost every london article had some reference to something "stupid" our last President did. I'm not subscribed to any partisan newslists or tickers; I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm standing up for someone who didn't need to kowtow to an unpopular PM looking for a publicity boost or who needed to receive the lugnuts from the Big Stick.

730 soxfan4life  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:32pm

re: #714 Jimmah

Bush was president at the time he made that gift to Brown in 2007. So if Obamas gift was such a terrible faux-pas, why not Bush's gift as well? As with any gift it seems to me one could value or disparage both of those gifts, there's nothing especially terrible about Obama's.

When all I've heard is how intelligent the man is compared to President Bush, I'm not inclined to cut him the slack. Part of the backlash one gets for running on hope and change and delivering neither.

731 phoenixgirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:37pm

re: #725 Jimmah

Deliberately? That's the insane part.

i think he is doing it deliberately. i think soros is calling the shots

732 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #687 Wendya

He's saving that for the Queen.

I wonder what the British rules are for keeping a gift ? In the US, $180 from any one leader is the limit, and must be declared as income if kept. Even a bomber jacket would not be able to be kept by a US President, nor sure if the DVD set would trigger a British rule.

733 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:37:00pm

re: #725 Jimmah

Deliberately? That's the insane part.

you always avoid the question....what makes you thinks it's not deliberate when all signs point otherwise...state your case

734 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:37:21pm

re: #727 quickjustice

It's a data point. And in the gradual accretion of data points, you'll begin to see patterns emerge. Maybe this is an outlier. But based upon Obama's keen intellect, I think not.

Bravo.

735 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:38:58pm

re: #721 DisturbedEma

No - the pol thing is a reference to both camps digging their heals in - dems defending his actions and bringing up bomber jackets/w/e and republicans saying it's amateur hour.

I'm terrible at typing so pardon my failure to highlight what I meant.

736 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:39:39pm

re: #718 quickjustice

Prove it. Prove that my theory is any less valid than yours.

You are the one who is making the extraordinary and in fact ludicrous claim, so some evidence from you is what the debate is screaming out for at this point.

Anyway, much as I'd love to stay here and play burden tennis with a troofer and his konspiracy theory, I gotta go eat.

Later.

737 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:40:03pm

I suppose if he is told that a weapon of mass destruction is going to destroy one of our cities Obama will be too tired from dealing with the economy to handle the situation.
———————
It matters little that Bush also made mistakes—it is still a mistake. Tu quoque (You do it too.) is not enough to absolve one of guilt. A gift that is obviously thoughtless is wrong and perhaps worse than no gift at all.

738 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #717 soxfan4life

He did say the muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful sound on earth. I'm sure it moves him much more than our National Anthem, or America the Beautiful.

I bet he doesn't put his hands on his crotch during the call to prayer.

739 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:40:20pm

re: #729 TMRiddle

Why would I care what the British media thinks? Or the British people? The British people shit on our President, the British Media did the same.


This was an official visit between the leaders of two countries, not their media and not their leftist whiners.
a

740 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:40:27pm

re: #735 TMRiddle

No - the pol thing is a reference to both camps digging their heals in - dems defending his actions and bringing up bomber jackets/w/e and republicans saying it's amateur hour.

I'm terrible at typing so pardon my failure to highlight what I meant.

Forget the jacket and the cds. Would you agree otherwise that amateur hour is exactly what we are seeing?

741 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:40:39pm

re: #726 Paul

I suspect Obama will treat America's traditional friends and allies in a similar manner. He's more interested in reaching out to leftists and Islamists, people he can identify with as outsiders, people who think like him.

He will continue to be very disappointed in that, as he is unlikely to meet anyone who "thinks like him" as another head of state.

The question is, does Obama have any learning left in him? This is after all what it's like to try to learn the office on the fly, just ask Hillary (who isn't doing a bit better in her new role, btw).

742 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:41:34pm

re: #729 TMRiddle

Why would I care what the British media thinks? Or the British people? The British people shit on our President, the British Media did the same.

And stop with the "don't look back, it's bad!" bullshit. What am I supposed to do to backup my belief system? Oh, he's a Democrat or a Repblican. Guess that solves all the problems. The situation is the same; the scenario is the same. The only difference is partisan-based.

And I typed Brown Obama in google and news-searched it since this is the first time I had heard about it. Almost every london article had some reference to something "stupid" our last President did. I'm not subscribed to any partisan newslists or tickers; I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm standing up for someone who didn't need to kowtow to an unpopular PM looking for a publicity boost or who needed to receive the lugnuts from the Big Stick.

Because the world was supposed to be our friend again with dear leader. . .and I am so sorry that I did not say this before- I am not saying YOU personally, this is more me trying to explain to you why I will not let this go from this asshat pos that my fellow Americans elected. . .this type of behavior is just a taster. . .and Israel has already seen the writing on the wall with asshat in chief's picks in their affairs. . .

He is an ignorant and probably antisemitic media whore who cannot get bad press no matter what. . .and America just plays along with the MSM's leitmotif. . .he is change, he will make us loved, no one will ever bomb us again. . .pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. . .

743 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:41:44pm

re: #736 Jimmah

You are the one who is making the extraordinary and in fact ludicrous claim, so some evidence from you is what the debate is screaming out for at this point.

Anyway, much as I'd love to stay here and play burden tennis with a troofer and his konspiracy theory, I gotta go eat.

Later.

that's one for the Rebutt Hall of Fame right there...avoids an answer, calls you a coupla names then ducks out for lunch....perfecto!

744 Wendya  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:42:32pm

re: #732 avanti

I wonder what the British rules are for keeping a gift ? In the US, $180 from any one leader is the limit, and must be declared as income if kept. Even a bomber jacket would not be able to be kept by a US President, nor sure if the DVD set would trigger a British rule.

The limit is close to the same for the Brits. The gift is either auctioned for charity, stored as property of the UK or purchased at a discount by the PM.

745 soxfan4life  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #738 MandyManners

I bet he doesn't put his hands on his crotch during the call to prayer.

I'm sure he has a strong urge to drop to his knees and face Mecca.

746 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:42:36pm

re: #733 albusteve

you always avoid the question....what makes you thinks it's not deliberate when all signs point otherwise...state your case

I think he is stupid, and I will admit, a bit of denial. . .but suspect you are correct in that he appointed people who will bankrupt the economy for him. . .

747 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:43:20pm

re: #729 TMRiddle

What is it then? Obama was very aware of the way he treated Brown because he's mad about British Policy towards Kenya during the Disraeli period? Or, is it because Bush sucks worse? Or, is it because Brown is a lameduck and wants to boost his own image and once Cameron gets in and comes over the "real" American hospitality will emerge? Or, Obama is such a stud he does not need to Kowtow to a lowly British Prime Minister?

I am wasting valuable oxygen thinking about your posts.....see ya later. Come back when there's another meme, I really want to hear your opinions about the economy and foreign policy.

748 Shay4l  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #634 Catttt

No, it is wrong. you can't have a ratio of two things that are one and the same - it is pointless. He aimed at P/E RATIO, which someone no doubt gave him flash card tests on, and missed. It's even worse that he said "and" rather than "to" - makes him even more clueless.

If a nobody like me knows what the P/E ratio is, and President Teleprompter doesn't, it makes me think, "We are so SCREWED!"

749 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:43:59pm

re: #743 albusteve

I didn't know you're a troofer spouting konspiracy theory. Wow. I learn something new every day.

750 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:44:13pm

re: #713 pink freud

You jest, but I heard there's an announcement in the works for Monday (?) re our relationship with Cuba.


Yeah, the greens got Florida to give hundreds of acres of sugar growing land back to the 'Glades. We are going to need a source of sugar. This is why Russia is trying to re-establish relations with Cuba. This will get interesting. Hope you like beet sugar. And paying extra for it.

See, the garbage started with the "Big Sugar is ripping us off"campaign by Florida to extort some more revenue. So "Big Sugar" got higher taxes. Now "Big Sugar" has decided to take it's bat and ball and go home. We are living in the middle of an Ayn Rand novel.

751 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #748 Shay4l

If a nobody like me knows what the P/E ratio is, and President Teleprompter doesn't, it makes me think, "We are so SCREWED!"

did the prompter break down for that?

752 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:44:36pm

re: #711 MandyManners

There is no way on earth he would do either of those things.

The zero is very familiar with muslim "customs".

753 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #745 soxfan4life

I'm sure he has a strong urge to drop to his knees and face Mecca.

I don't know about that. Isn't that a part of his youth?

754 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #749 MandyManners

I didn't know you're a troofer spouting konspiracy theory. Wow. I learn something new every day.

PWOUD TWOOFER!...

755 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:45:17pm

So Bush gave him a bomber jacket.
Well, if you are an idiot liberal, you have no clue what that represented.
It was like Reagan's speech at Point Du Hoc.
We now are going to have The One giving a speech to honor the bombings at the Pentagon and the NYPD HQ.

756 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:46:31pm

Dunno if I'd call it amateur hour. Too early to tell and if the world plays along and likes him, whatever. If it hates him, whatever. Readjustments in 2012 or 2016 at the latest.

757 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #718 quickjustice

Prove it. Prove that my theory is any less valid than yours.

You both act as if both theories were mutually exclusive. They are not. Both could be true at the same time.

758 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:48:06pm

re: #756 TMRiddle

759 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:48:12pm

Off to the mall to spread some of that green stuff around.

760 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:48:49pm

re: #725 Jimmah

Obama is (1) deliberately imposing a huge "cap and trade" carbon tax on Americans to pay for his health care plan, certain to prolong and deepen the recession; (2) deliberately eliminating or severely restricting the charitable deduction for rich people, certain to weaken or destroy many churches, synagogues, and other private sector charities; (3) deliberately destroying welfare reform, certain to bankrupt NYC and other major urban areas; (4) deliberately making second homes eligible for his mortgage bailout, a gift to rich people and reckless speculators who own second homes; 5) deliberately failing to address the financial crisis except by trying to bail out insolvent banks to help cronies of Chuck Schumer; (6) deliberately failing to address social security and Medicare, which, if unreformed, are certain to bankruptcy this country within a decade; (7) deliberately participating in a UN conference on Racism which is anti-semitic and anti-Israel; (8) deliberately signing a "stimulus" bill that is a giveaway to the labor unions and ACORN, plunging this country into far deeper debt in the midst of a credit crisis caused by excessive debt.

Need more proof that what Obama is doing is deliberate? Maybe you're the one who's "insane"!

761 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:48:49pm

re: #634 Catttt

No, it is wrong. you can't have a ratio of two things that are one and the same - it is pointless. He aimed at P/E RATIO, which someone no doubt gave him flash card tests on, and missed. It's even worse that he said "and" rather than "to" - makes him even more clueless.

Excellent.

762 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:48:52pm

re: #756 TMRiddle

Dunno if I'd call it amateur hour. Too early to tell and if the world plays along and likes him, whatever. If it hates him, whatever. Readjustments in 2012 or 2016 at the latest.

you are WAY behind the curve here

763 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:49:39pm

re: #747 Desert Dog

I have specifically said I don't believe it involves the Kenya thing. I'm approaching this from a "I can't know" stance, whereas, you probably believe you have it figured out. I don't. I believe it could be anything under the sun - he could really be tired, he could be a dumbass, he could have bad manners, it could have been a simple flub. Chances are, Brown will still be kissing up to Obama at the end of theday.

I liked the present, just to point that out (again). I don't mind that. Presser was bad. In the long run however, not a big deal.

764 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:50:03pm

re: #726 Paul

I suspect Obama will treat America's traditional friends and allies in a similar manner. He's more interested in reaching out to leftists and Islamists, people he can identify with as outsiders, people who think like him.

I bet he can manage to get Hugo "Che"vez a thoughtful gift. And I bet he will not extend his left hand to greet Mahound Aminajad.

It's not excusable that "Bush did it too", for Obama promised to be so much better than Bush at diplomacy.

765 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:51:44pm

re: #729 TMRiddle

He is a clue.

THE BRITISH PRESS ARE LEFTIST MORONS TOO.

766 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:53:04pm

re: #729 TMRiddle

If Americans owe Obama a measure of respect simply due to his position as our President, then we and most certainly our President also owe respect and courtesy to the head of state of one of our closest allies.

It does not matter if we or Obama happen to dislike the man personally or based on political leanings.

767 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #736 Jimmah

"Extraordinary"? "Ludicrous"? I claim that Obama is brilliant, incisive, and competent. I claim that he knows exactly what he's doing at all times, and makes no mistakes. Therefore, what he did to snub the British was deliberate.

QED.

768 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:55:06pm

re: #762 albusteve

Maybe. I said in my first post I was more center-left domestic policy wise and at a state and local level; foreign and federal, not so much. Why I enjoy this site and read it. I'm not going to discuss that however, but offer it up as an excuse as to why I'm perhaps behind the curve here. I'm willing to give him a chance even if I didn't vote for him; if it works out, who knows?

Hope that doesn't lead to me being killed :'(.

769 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:56:12pm

re: #732 avanti

I wonder what the British rules are for keeping a gift ? In the US, $180 from any one leader is the limit, and must be declared as income if kept. Even a bomber jacket would not be able to be kept by a US President, nor sure if the DVD set would trigger a British rule.

DVD set is, I'm sure, worth wayyyyyyyyyyyy less than $180

770 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #94 abaleh

At least he didn't give him a Wal-Mart gift certificate.

/

At least he could probably still have used that, since that are Wal-Mart-owned stores in Great Britain (the ASDA supermarket chain)...

;-P

771 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:57:10pm

re: #763 TMRiddle

I have specifically said I don't believe it involves the Kenya thing. I'm approaching this from a "I can't know" stance, whereas, you probably believe you have it figured out. I don't. I believe it could be anything under the sun - he could really be tired, he could be a dumbass, he could have bad manners, it could have been a simple flub. Chances are, Brown will still be kissing up to Obama at the end of theday.

I liked the present, just to point that out (again). I don't mind that. Presser was bad. In the long run however, not a big deal.

BO has been under tremendous and exact scrutiny here at LGF...he has said or done anything that someone doesnt know about....he can't breath without LGF knowing about it...this has been going on for a year or so....dots get connected, behaviors emerge over time...at the very least his behaviors are not just anything under the sun....he has a well thought out, protracted agenda that is on the books for all to see....there is simply no excuse for 'giving him time, or he is tired, or he is stupid'....deny it all you want

772 UberInfidel67  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:57:13pm

I agree that the DVDs were an awful choice of gifts for the PM and the helos for his boys? WTF? But maybe we should all be glad he didn't give the Brown's copies of his books!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

773 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:57:59pm

re: #768 TMRiddle

Maybe. I said in my first post I was more center-left domestic policy wise and at a state and local level; foreign and federal, not so much. Why I enjoy this site and read it. I'm not going to discuss that however, but offer it up as an excuse as to why I'm perhaps behind the curve here. I'm willing to give him a chance even if I didn't vote for him; if it works out, who knows?

Hope that doesn't lead to me being killed :'(.


Naw, you won't be killed.
You will, however, get a lot of argument.
Take a lesson from Cognito and keep your cool if name-calling begins.

774 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:58:30pm

re: #772 UberInfidel67

I agree that the DVDs were an awful choice of gifts for the PM and the helos for his boys? WTF? But maybe we should all be glad he didn't give the Brown's copies of his books!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

rofl!
good point!

775 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:58:33pm

re: #750 swamprat

Don't forget about my backyard ...Louisiana. The cane farmers here are sweating already over the encroachment of Mexican sugar. Allowing Cuban sugar to flood the market will be devastating for us here.

776 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #768 TMRiddle

Maybe. I said in my first post I was more center-left domestic policy wise and at a state and local level; foreign and federal, not so much. Why I enjoy this site and read it. I'm not going to discuss that however, but offer it up as an excuse as to why I'm perhaps behind the curve here. I'm willing to give him a chance even if I didn't vote for him; if it works out, who knows?

Hope that doesn't lead to me being killed :'(.

I'd don't kill people, but I may severely joke you about the head and shoulders

777 TMRiddle  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:59:11pm

Depends. Top 25 movies might for a bit more than expected. And there's some actual good movies in there from the era when idiots didn't run the biz.

Anywho, enjoyed the discussion. Have fun mi amigos.

778 UberInfidel67  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:59:54pm

re: #774 reine.de.tout
You know the jackass was considering it!

779 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:00:01pm

re: #759 MandyManners

Off to the mall to spread some of that green stuff around.

Don't forget croutons!

780 quickjustice  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #775 pink freud

Don't worry. The Fanjul brothers will take care of it, as they always have.

781 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:01:03pm

re: #773 reine.de.tout

Naw, you won't be killed.
You will, however, get a lot of argument.
Take a lesson from Cognito and keep your cool if name-calling begins.

And own what you write- do not waste our time by trying to deny what you post, because we WILL take the time to quote you- so, if we are interpreting it worng enlighten us, but DO NOT try to piss on the board and tell us it is raining. . .umm, wait. . .

Stand behind what you say and offer support for your positions. . .links and such. . .opinions have to have factual basis here to be taken seriously, it is, I realize, a sort of Bizzaro World for some people. . .having to have facts. . .but you seem ok with it:)

782 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:01:12pm

Sorry if this was already posted. It wasn't only the thoughtless gifts. More importantly the lack of a state dinner and a press conference were very bad form and expose The Obama as a lout unfit to conduct foreign diplomacy.

783 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #781 DisturbedEma

And own what you write- do not waste our time by trying to deny what you post, because we WILL take the time to quote you- so, if we are interpreting it worng enlighten us, but DO NOT try to piss on the board and tell us it is raining. . .umm, wait. . .

Stand behind what you say and offer support for your positions. . .links and such. . .opinions have to have factual basis here to be taken seriously, it is, I realize, a sort of Bizzaro World for some people. . .having to have facts. . .but you seem ok with it:)

yes, good points all.
he might get a lot of bad karma, but that won't "kill" him.

784 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #782 vagabond trader

Sorry if this was already posted. It wasn't only the thoughtless gifts. More importantly the lack of a state dinner and a press conference were very bad form and expose The Obama as a lout unfit to conduct foreign diplomacy.

Probably ordered pizza for him and the missus. . .and told them, you know, to keep the thermostat down and turn off the lights when they went to bed. . .

785 swamprat  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #767 quickjustice

"Extraordinary"? "Ludicrous"? I claim that Obama is brilliant, incisive, and competent. I claim that he knows exactly what he's doing at all times, and makes no mistakes. Therefore, what he did to snub the British was deliberate.

QED.

Man, don't bogart that, pass some over here.

786 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:03:36pm

re: #767 quickjustice

"Extraordinary"? "Ludicrous"? I claim that Obama is brilliant, incisive, and competent. I claim that he knows exactly what he's doing at all times, and makes no mistakes. Therefore, what he did to snub the British was deliberate.

QED.

I figure Obama doesn't have a clue what's going on most of the time, so his blundering his way from Chancellor to Fuehrer won't be his fault.

787 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:04:15pm

re: #783 reine.de.tout

yes, good points all.
he might get a lot of bad karma, but that won't "kill" him.

given my intense dislike of a certain few here, well one really, I do not check my karma. . . I could be such a STAR karma girl if not for. . . you know, him!

788 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:04:27pm

re: #756 TMRiddle

Dunno if I'd call it amateur hour. Too early to tell and if the world plays along and likes him, whatever. If it hates him, whatever. Readjustments in 2012 or 2016 at the latest.

Look, a state visit from the leader of a staunch ally is what's considered a diplomatic slam-dunk.

Obama missed an easy basket. Spectacularly.

He didn't even go for a lay-up; he dropped the ball at mid-court.

789 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #780 quickjustice

Don't worry. The Fanjul brothers will take care of it, as they always have.

Interesting!

Never heard of 'em before.

790 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:05:29pm

re: #788 lurking faith

Look, a state visit from the leader of a staunch ally is what's considered a diplomatic slam-dunk.

Obama missed an easy basket. Spectacularly.

He didn't even go for a lay-up; he dropped the ball at mid-court.

Hype fatigue?

Ego wrote checks he cannot cahs?

791 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #775 pink freud

Don't forget about my backyard ...Louisiana. The cane farmers here are sweating already over the encroachment of Mexican sugar. Allowing Cuban sugar to flood the market will be devastating for us here.

I love LA...I wish I could go over there more often....I dig simple people living simple lives...good food and drink and music...mighty pretty country...NM is the same in those ways and I hate to see the hardpressed reduced to abject poverty...there is enough already and BO is making it worse and for that alone I can't stand the sight of him...trashing my American brothers and sisters in the swamps and deserts and back woods is criminal....

792 hellosnackbar  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:07:03pm

re#59 albusteve,
Speaking of "manners";some years ago I went to a yacht marina restaurant
(Chichester) for breakfast and noticed Keith Richards at the next table.
He had on a full length leather maxi coat and bright green leather boots.
I watched him expertly disect his breakfast of kippers; and then signal the waitress with the words"would it be possible to have a capuccino for myself
and my friend?" adding that the kippers were of truly excellent quality,and that he would be back for more.
When the waitress came back(within about 2minutes).Keith thanked her for the service downed the coffee and with a cheery goodbye left leaving £50
on the table(the bill was for about £14).
When I raised his visit with Conrad(the Proprietor)he said that this was Keith's
5th or 6th visit and was welcome any time as he was always well behaved and extremely well mannered.
Keith has owned a house in Itchenor(about 2miles away since 1966).
Perhaps Keth should visit Barry and give him an etiquette lesson.

793 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:07:06pm
794 Silvergirl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:07:09pm

re: #769 reine.de.tout

DVD set is, I'm sure, worth wayyyyyyyyyyyy less than $180

I don't know . . . this one is only 18 movies and over the limit. Just having fun here.

795 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #745 soxfan4life

I'm sure he has a strong urge to drop to his knees and face Mecca.

A compass instead of a flag on his lapel.

796 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #787 DisturbedEma

given my intense dislike of a certain few here, well one really, I do not check my karma. . . I could be such a STAR karma girl if not for. . . you know, him!

I don't know who you're talking about, but your karma is defininely in the "+" range, and your karma to post ratio looks good!

797 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #791 albusteve

I love LA...I wish I could go over there more often....I dig simple people living simple lives...good food and drink and music...mighty pretty country...NM is the same in those ways and I hate to see the hardpressed reduced to abject poverty...there is enough already and BO is making it worse and for that alone I can't stand the sight of him...trashing my American brothers and sisters in the swamps and deserts and back woods is criminal....


Funny how in dear leader's world, the only poor people he wants to help are the ones who act that part.

The fact that there are still Katrina "victims" living off the government 4 years after the fact, when the Mississippi flooded Iowa, one of my beloved Packers, Kampman, went home with a few of his teammates, cleaned up his parent's place and their neighbors. . .and guess what, did not wait for the government to do it for them. . .THOSE people who need a bit of help, sorry, those that want to be taken care of? Yes we can!

798 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:10:47pm

re: #796 reine.de.tout

I don't know who you're talking about, but your karma is defininely in the "+" range, and your karma to post ratio looks good!

I do not like. . .the C man, rhymes with Asshole-nito

799 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:11:30pm

re: #792 hellosnackbar

re#59 albusteve,
Speaking of "manners";some years ago I went to a yacht marina restaurant
(Chichester) for breakfast and noticed Keith Richards at the next table.
He had on a full length leather maxi coat and bright green leather boots.
I watched him expertly disect his breakfast of kippers; and then signal the waitress with the words"would it be possible to have a capuccino for myself
and my friend?" adding that the kippers were of truly excellent quality,and that he would be back for more.
When the waitress came back(within about 2minutes).Keith thanked her for the service downed the coffee and with a cheery goodbye left leaving £50
on the table(the bill was for about £14).
When I raised his visit with Conrad(the Proprietor)he said that this was Keith's
5th or 6th visit and was welcome any time as he was always well behaved and extremely well mannered.
Keith has owned a house in Itchenor(about 2miles away since 1966).
Perhaps Keth should visit Barry and give him an etiquette lesson.

Keith is misunderstood..people don't separate his public from private life...I just missed him by minutes at a cafe in Toronto once, one he frequents whenever he is there...and the Stones all love Toronto...the staff was all aquiver about him...he's cool

800 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #791 albusteve

I love LA...I wish I could go over there more often....I dig simple people living simple lives...good food and drink and music...mighty pretty country...NM is the same in those ways and I hate to see the hardpressed reduced to abject poverty...there is enough already and BO is making it worse and for that alone I can't stand the sight of him...trashing my American brothers and sisters in the swamps and deserts and back woods is criminal....

Don't let yourself get all ate up by this despicable man. We will prevail.

801 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:12:29pm

re: #798 DisturbedEma

I do not like. . .the C man, rhymes with Asshole-nito

And he knows this- which is why I no longer post to him directly. . .but will refer to him and my feelings to keep it real.

I do not think him evil, just vapid and tedious. . .kind of like my kid brothers. . .

802 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:14:19pm

re: #792 hellosnackbar

With stories like that you should post more often Nice to meet you. :-)

803 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:14:22pm

re: #743 albusteve

that's one for the Rebutt Hall of Fame right there...avoids an answer, calls you a coupla names then ducks out for lunch....perfecto!

Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat! A brave retreat by brave Sir Robin Jimmah!
- Sir Robin's minstrel

804 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:14:30pm

re: #647 HDrepub

Hi to you too.
I am going through rehab now, so I don't get to read and right as much. LGF has allot more lizards now then it did a year or so ago. Which is a good thing. So there is more posts to read.
I had a very bad accident last year. The end of 2007. The car I was driving got hit in the passenger door by a pick-up truck going 70 mph. T-boned. I spent about 3 months in a comma. The medical people pretty much figure I was going to end a vegetable. But to piss off the libs, I have come back. My speech, reading, vision, and walking has greatly improved. The medical people have done good. But I still owe the ex-military med-evac helo crews a couple beers.
But my spelling still sucks. But I am working on too.

805 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:15:07pm
806 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #386 AuntAcid

and a fag...

uh...um... no thank you, my wife is... oh... chuckle ...fire that sucka up

807 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:17:26pm

re: #790 DisturbedEma

Hype fatigue?

Ego wrote checks he cannot cahs?

More the latter, I think.

I strongly suspect that he believes his own PR and figures everybody will love him no matter what.

808 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:17:32pm
809 zimriel  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:20:20pm

re: #667 quickjustice

Obama's defenders say he inadvertently messed up. His adversaries say he did it on purpose. Looks like you're one of his defenders. Count me as being on the other side. Obama isn't a stupid bungler. He wants to destroy this nation.

re: #684 Jimmah

That is insane...lol

Which part? Of course Obama wants to destroy the nation. That should have been obvious from the start.

Obama kept saying he wants to "change" the nation - in such a way that it destroys its character as the Federalists constructed it in the Constitution. He wants a nation more akin to the early French Republic: in which an elite wakes up one morning, decides what's right and good, and then implements it by whatever means it decides to use. Read your Burke.

That doesn't make Obama a Robespierre, necessarily; but I will note that Ayers is a Robespierre, and Obama spent a lot more time with Ayers growing up that he did with anyone sane.

Besides it's happened before. It was also Woodrow Wilson's aim to destroy this nation's character, albeit more violently. Wilson almost succeeded. When you're done with Burke read your Goldberg.

As to whether Obama has the ability to do it - I think that it's all been theoretical to Obama up to recently, and that he's now out of his depth. It's certainly easier to destroy than to rebuild. Obama's lengthy paper trail shows he did want to destroy the nation and then rebuild it. I think he's going to fail horribly at the rebuilding, but given the nation's divisions, he'll succeed impressively at the destroying.

How was lunch?

810 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:21:08pm

re: #793 ThinkRight

I am gonna risk a secret service visit that the Ok man got.

Not at my website you aren't.

811 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:21:20pm

re: #801 DisturbedEma

And he knows this- which is why I no longer post to him directly. . .but will refer to him and my feelings to keep it real.

I do not think him evil, just vapid and tedious. . .kind of like my kid brothers. . .

ah. I haven't noticed that he dings up or down much.

812 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #810 Charles
My 805 too.

813 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:23:32pm

re: #769 reine.de.tout

DVD set is, I'm sure, worth wayyyyyyyyyyyy less than $180

The price is unimportant. It is expected that the gift will likely be given to a museum, a university, a charity or such. What is important is that it is not trivial nor is it given back. I'm pretty sure the Brits have stores that sell DVDs. Had they been DVDs signed by their directors and actors the story would be different—they would be unique, not common.

814 Mr Spiffy  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:23:44pm

re: #417 Athos

Oh, BO is trying - he's taking a page right out of Alinsky and taking advantage of a crisis to effect the change that he's interested in. Unfortunately, the change is not about stabilizing the markets or letting the markets work themselves out of the impact of government intervention that started in the late early 1990'30s, but change in the underlying socio-economic conditions of this country and the establishment of a european model central government power.

FTFY

815 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:23:58pm
816 lurking faith  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:24:01pm

re: #804 hous bin pharteen

I'd wondered where you were. (I don't think we ever chatted much, but your screen name is memorable.) Very glad you survived, and I hope your rehab continues to progress well.

817 albusteve  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:24:05pm

re: #800 pink freud

Don't let yourself get all ate up by this despicable man. We will prevail.

food commodities and pricing is very complicated, and for some reason I don't see why we have to open our markets to Cuba at the expense of American sugar and rice growers etc...they have the entire Caribbean as much of S Am for their markets...it's only natural that a bottle of Grace ketchup from Jamaica be more expensive than Heinze....the Cubans should concentrate on feeding themselves and tourism....they have some of the most beautiful beaches in the world down there, and if we loosen up we should put US dollars down there for that, not buying their sugar at inflated prices....but what do I know

818 HDrepub  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:25:46pm

re: #804 hous bin pharteen

Hi to you too.
I am going through rehab now, so I don't get to read and right as much. LGF has allot more lizards now then it did a year or so ago. Which is a good thing. So there is more posts to read.
I had a very bad accident last year. The end of 2007. The car I was driving got hit in the passenger door by a pick-up truck going 70 mph. T-boned. I spent about 3 months in a comma. The medical people pretty much figure I was going to end a vegetable. But to piss off the libs, I have come back. My speech, reading, vision, and walking has greatly improved. The medical people have done good. But I still owe the ex-military med-evac helo crews a couple beers.
But my spelling still sucks. But I am working on too.

Sorry to hear all that but glad you are back. I had a son who went through all that 13 years ago but he didn't make it and died from a massive infection after 100 days. Don't know what you went through in the first person but have experienced it with my son.

819 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:26:02pm

re: #813 David IV of Georgia

The price is unimportant. It is expected that the gift will likely be given to a museum, a university, a charity or such. What is important is that it is not trivial nor is it given back. I'm pretty sure the Brits have stores that sell DVDs. Had they been DVDs signed by their directors and actors the story would be different—they would be unique, not common.

Yes, you are correct. The price is not the important part. It is the appropriateness of the gift to the occasion, and in this case, should have been uniquely reflective in some way of our relationship with the UK.

820 restitutor orbis  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:26:09pm

re: #176 uncle_monkey

We were yucking it up a few days ago that not only did the One give away some crappy costco box set, but they're probably region 1 DVD's, so Brown won't even be able to play them unless he took home a U.S. player!


Another thing not mentioned in our media, is that Gordon Brown is blind in one eye, and the "good" one is pretty fucked up as well. So I would bet he probably doesn't stare at the tv a whole lot. There was also some story in the Brit press about the First Beast serving up a whole lotta white guilt to go with their yorkshire pudding. Another class act, that one.

What a piece of shit this guy is.......I wonder what the first sheet wearing barbarian pig to visit will get when he meets this fraud....well, after the whole Allahu Akabar thing.....

821 DEZes  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:28:29pm

re: #804 hous bin pharteen
Keep up the good fight, and welcome back.

822 loup-garou  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:30:13pm

N Korea says interception of satellite means war; UN says past "satellite launches" were actually missile tests.

823 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:31:06pm

re: #804 hous bin pharteen

Glad to see you back posting and to hear you are on the road to recovery.

824 DEZes  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:31:11pm

re: #822 loup-garou

N Korea says interception of satellite means war; UN says past "satellite launches" were actually missile tests.

Link?

825 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #779 pink freud

Don't forget croutons!

And the imitation bacon bits...:)

826 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:35:33pm
827 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:35:45pm

re: #822 loup-garou

Wanta trade nicks?

828 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:36:56pm

re: #825 Dustyvet

And the imitation bacon bits...:)

Dollars to donuts Mandy doesn't do imitation anything. :-)

829 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:38:03pm

re: #828 pink freud

Dollars to donuts Mandy doesn't do imitation anything. :-)

sorrys, I had a senior moment *sigh* again...:(

830 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #826 Iron Fist

I like Cognito well enough. I don't usually agree with him, but he's not that much of a prick about it. If he came to a meetup or like, I wouldn't kick his ass or anything, though it probably would be what they call a teaching moment.

:-þ

See, because my brothers were almost exactly like him in their 'styles' I would probably just tussle with him on autopilot. . .he sems to bring out the 8 year old in me. . .oh who am I kidding. . .I can still get mad enough to think about mixing it up, he just makes me realize I am probably still immature enough to actually do it. . .

831 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:44:52pm
832 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

Interesting, the guy being audited is selling a rubber stamp that says "tax cheat" which he suggests be used to overprint on the treasury sec. name on our paper currency.

A question on his web site, which he doesn't seem to have an answer for is "isn't it illegal to deface currency?"

The answer is no. It is only illegal if you are altering or defacing the currency for purposed of fraud. Stamping something on a piece of currency is not fraud.

Same as the "Where's George?" stamps/website to track dollar bills...in the end, pretty harmless.

833 irishlass  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #240 ciaospirit

Oh, no! How did you find this out? I and millions of others have been dreading this...

834 irishlass  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #345 SixDegrees

OK, more caught up on posts now. I could see PBO signing it without telling anyone beforehand...one more nail in the coffin of this country.

835 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:56:26pm

re: #833 irishlass

Oh, no! How did you find this out? I and millions of others have been dreading this...

Absolutely NOTHING on the web about this being signed tomorrow.

836 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:59:13pm

More of Yuri Bezminov Ex KGB.

Splains everything.

837 irishlass  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:02:08pm

re: #835 pink freud

I'm finding that also - hopefully this means it ain't happening. Thanks for the confirmation of what I'm (not) discovering...

838 pink freud  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #837 irishlass

You're welcome. I'm keeping an eye on it also.

839 bungie  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:12:55pm

re: #267 MandyManners

On a woman-to-woman level, I wish someone had taught her how to carry her tall body when she was a teen.

Michelle walks like a jock. She is physically awkward, without grace. I don't think anything can be done about that.

840 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:15:17pm

if the Prez is tired, he should lighten his workload. instead of trying to reinvent the greatest society this planet has ever known, focus on two things:

1. Keep us and our friends safe
2. Work on real solutions to the economy.

the following things making him tired can wait:

1. "Fixing" healthcare
2. Going Green
3. Giving hundreds of millions to islamo-nazis
4. Making union members knuckle under to their "shop stewards."
5. Add your own "waste of time" item here
6.

841 irishlass  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:19:49pm

re: #836 Sheepdogess

Holy cow, he's Obama's strategist! scary....

842 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:23:23pm

re: #575 avanti

Many DVD players are "region Free", but I doubt the Hollywood film organization that made the special collection for Brown's gift would not make it in the PAL format.


Days ago I asked for a LINK for your claim that the DVDs were a special collection from any "Hollywood film organization". I have not seen this reported anywhere, then as now, provide a link for your claims or I will continue to think you make stuff up as you go along.

843 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:26:03pm

re: #743 albusteve

that's one for the Rebutt Hall of Fame right there...avoids an answer, calls you a coupla names then ducks out for lunch....perfecto!

And that's a perfect troofer response to having the burden of evidence put back where it belongs with the one making the extraordinary claim: "Aha! You avoided answering my questions!"

844 Raven1  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:26:13pm

I don't know if this has already been posted : Can't I just eat my waffles?

845 irishlass  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #842 snowcrash

Putting it into PAL takes thinking ahead, which I doubt the Obamas did.

MAybe the Obamas should have just given the Browns a gift certificate to Boots or wherever it is in the UK the DVDs could be bought.
//

846 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:29:37pm

re: #749 MandyManners

I didn't know you're a troofer spouting konspiracy theory. Wow. I learn something new every day.

1 - That comment was to quickjustice, not albusteve.

2 - Quickjustice is proposing that Obama is deliberately wrecking the economy to achieve some dark end. That is a conspiracy theory, and to me, it's very much reminiscent of the 9/11 troofers and their 'false flag' operation claims.

847 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:30:05pm

re: #845 irishlass

Putting it into PAL takes thinking ahead, which I doubt the Obamas did.

MAybe the Obamas should have just given the Browns a gift certificate to Boots or wherever it is in the UK the DVDs could be bought.
//

Again, that would take time away from thinking great thoughts about himself. . .

848 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:31:43pm

re: #696 DisturbedEma

. .just cannot bring yourself to see this from the British point of view. . .got it

Heh- it's kind of hard for me not to see this from 'the British point of view', since I am in fact British.

849 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:32:10pm

Why didn't he just re-gift the Churchill bust?

850 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:33:46pm

re: #849 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Why didn't he just re-gift the Churchill bust?

Wouldn't it have to be de-gifted first?

851 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #9 MandyManners

I shudder to think how badly he'll screw up meeting Queen Elizabeth.

Your question makes me think of Frank Drebin.

852 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #840 _RememberTonyC

if the Prez is tired, he should lighten his workload. instead of trying to reinvent the greatest society this planet has ever known, focus on two things:

1. Keep us and our friends safe
2. Work on real solutions to the economy.

the following things making him tired can wait:

1. "Fixing" healthcare
2. Going Green
3. Giving hundreds of millions to islamo-nazis
4. Making union members knuckle under to their "shop stewards."
5. Add your own "waste of time" item here
6.

Nice way of putting it- I will add the mortgage funds for flippers to the "wait until you are rested" list

853 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:35:25pm

re: #848 Jimmah

Heh- it's kind of hard for me not to see this from 'the British point of view', since I am in fact British.

Ok, you live there?

854 Irenike  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:36:06pm

The office of the President of the United States is way too advanced for an incompetent like Obama. His speed is teaching law school, where the heaviest workload he has to worry about is which teaching assistant to pick for grading the final exams while he juggles his schedule so that department meetings don't interfere with his workout schedule at the gym.

I am seriously considering writing a letter to PM Brown, apologizing for the sheer incompetence of our president. I want to assure him that not all Americans voted for the bozo, and a lot of us on this side of the pond still consider the Brits our friends.

855 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:36:13pm

re: #851 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Your question makes me think of Frank Drebin.

That would be the GOOD scenario. . .

856 Picayune  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:38:48pm

re: #804 hous bin pharteen

Welcome back, and Best of Luck!

You're just in time, as the One's bare market is really shaking down about 55MM household's 401Ks and retirement portfolios. Half way through the first 100 days, and even the moderates who got duped on 11/4/08, are asking publicly - "What have we done? Who is this guy? and What's next?

So LGF's post should keep you informed and amused. Speedy and successful recovery for you.

857 hellosnackbar  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:39:45pm

re# pink freud,
Here's another Keith story:
In 1998(I think)Keith's daughter got married in the little church at Itchenor
and the the reception that followed was attended by a who's who of international rock stars(only those that Keith liked)Eric Clapton,George Harrison etc.
The plan was that the Stones would play but the bride vetoed that as it was her day.(nevertheless Eric Clapton, Keith and others had an impromptu jamming session which could be heard a mile away.
The press were trying to gatecrash the party but Keith had thought of that.
A local "bobby"told me that Keith had had a chat with the local chief constable
and that the whole local police force had turned out to prevent access to
Itchenor village.(it's on a spit of land which projects into Chichester harbour).
The cooperation was helped by a contribution(described as extremely generous) by Keith to police charities.
The press maggots never got wihin a mile of theplace.
I met some of them(the press) they asked me if it possible to access Keith's
house by water;I told them it was but not now.
Why not now they asked?
"Because the tides going out and you can't get there for about 7-8 hours
I replied"you should have heard the seething expletives.

858 mattm  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:40:38pm
Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.

Your the f***ing President. It's not supposed to be a walk in the park. This moron is unit to walk the family dog, never mind lead the country.

859 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #760 quickjustice

Obama is (1) deliberately imposing a huge "cap and trade" carbon tax on Americans to pay for his health care plan, certain to prolong and deepen the recession; (2) deliberately eliminating or severely restricting the charitable deduction for rich people, certain to weaken or destroy many churches, synagogues, and other private sector charities;(3) deliberately destroying welfare reform, certain to bankrupt NYC and other major urban areas; (4) deliberately making second homes eligible for his mortgage bailout, a gift to rich people and reckless speculators who own second homes; 5) deliberately failing to address the financial crisis except by trying to bail out insolvent banks to help cronies of Chuck Schumer; (6) deliberately failing to address social security and Medicare, which, if unreformed, are certain to bankruptcy this country within a decade; (7) deliberately participating in a UN conference on Racism which is anti-semitic and anti-Israel; (8) deliberately signing a "stimulus" bill that is a giveaway to the labor unions and ACORN, plunging this country into far deeper debt in the midst of a credit crisis caused by excessive debt.

Need more proof that what Obama is doing is deliberate? Maybe you're the one who's "insane"!

None of the above proves that Obama is deliberately trying to destroy America. Some (democrats, obviously) would argue that the measures he is bringing in are the best way to deal with the crisis, while most of his critics would argue that they are ill-judged and likely to worsen the situation. You have repeatedly asserted but you haven't offered actual proof or anything that is remotely persuasive, that it is Obama's deliberate intention to "destroy this nation".

And btw - I characterized your theory as insane, not your person.

860 loup-garou  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:48:26pm

re: #827 pink freud

no tanks =)

861 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:48:40pm

re: #853 DisturbedEma

Ok, you live there?

Yes - Scotland to be precise, home of wee Nodrog Broon himsel'.

862 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:49:54pm
863 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:51:33pm

re: #861 Jimmah

Yes - Scotland to be precise, home of wee Nodrog Broon himsel'.

And you consider yourself British not Scot?

864 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #863 DisturbedEma

And you consider yourself British not Scot?

There IS a difference if I am not mistaken. . .

865 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:52:40pm

re: #842 snowcrash

Days ago I asked for a LINK for your claim that the DVDs were a special collection from any "Hollywood film organization". I have not seen this reported anywhere, then as now, provide a link for your claims or I will continue to think you make stuff up as you go along.

Sorry, I was at a Studebaker show. It was produced by the American Fim Institute for the White House

866 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:57:54pm

re: #861 Jimmah

Yes - Scotland to be precise, home of wee Nodrog Broon himsel'.

I am hoping you are not going to let this go- but if you do, I would like to add that if you are like any of the other Scots I have met- and granted that has only been a dozen or so then you may have been delighted by the way Brown was treated. . .given the history, Braveheart notwithstanding. . .:)

867 Eric  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:58:32pm

re: #51 yma o hyd

The people in the Protocol Office know fully what is expected when a British Prime Minister visits. The Obama administration must have simply chose to ignore them. Because that is sooo Bush.

Losers, embarrassing childish losers.

868 Strike Hornet  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:59:23pm

re: #43 rightymouse

Boo-frickin'-hoo.

Poor guy actually has to work now.

Never heard anything about the sheer volume of business that faced Bush or maybe that he ever tired.

Bah.

Perhaps Mr. Obama and his staff are finding being POTUS takes a little more effort than voting "Present" in the "Illinois State House" or "The US Senate"

869 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:59:31pm

re: #867 Eric

The people in the Protocol Office know fully what is expected when a British Prime Minister visits. The Obama administration must have simply chose to ignore them. Because that is sooo Bush.

Losers, embarrassing childish losers.

Don't forget. . .He won. . .if you do, he will remind you. . .

870 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:00:23pm

re: #868 Strike Hornet

Perhaps Mr. Obama and his staff are finding being POTUS takes a little more effort than voting "Present" in the "Illinois State House" or "The US Senate"

Yeah, SOMEONE has to put the present in president. . .wait. . .:)

871 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:00:24pm

re: #809 zimriel
Well, if you want to use 'destroy' as in 'change' then I won't argue. Bit of an extreme lexical choice though, I have to say. What I'm arguing against is the idea that has been put forward here - 'destroy' as in 'destroy' the countries reputation and economy.

Why would Obama want to wreck America? If the economy is still fucked up by the time the next round of elections comes around, he's out of a job. On the face of it, that would seem to be a very stupid thing for a President to be aiming for. If one imagines that he wants to destroy 'the system' so he can build a socialist utopia out of the ashes, then one must think the guys balls are the same size that 9-11 troofers imagined Bush's to be when he put operation 'destroy America' into action.

How was lunch?

It was dinner - not lunch. It was damn good - homemade curry with nan bread. Now for some beer.

872 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:02:17pm

re: #863 DisturbedEma

And you consider yourself British not Scot?

I really don't care too much - I happily use both.

873 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:08:57pm

re: #865 avanti
Thank you.

874 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:09:09pm

re: #872 Jimmah

I really don't care too much - I happily use both.

Ok, but you being British is one thing, me being American means I still can be embarrassed by this asshat's actions toward Brown even if you are ot. .

875 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:09:25pm

re: #866 DisturbedEma

I am hoping you are not going to let this go- but if you do, I would like to add that if you are like any of the other Scots I have met- and granted that has only been a dozen or so then you may have been delighted by the way Brown was treated. . .given the history, Braveheart notwithstanding. . .:)

You somehow sensed that Brown isn't one of my favourite politicians...;) i think he's actually much more the unprincipled suit that some people always liked to accuse Blair of being.

But I didn't take delight in the perceived slight, I just don't think this is that big of a deal.

876 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:11:33pm

re: #872 Jimmah

I really don't care too much - I happily use both.

And if any of your felow BritScots were offended by the actions of my leader, well, what can I say, I am ashamed that he acted so classlessly. . .even if you were not, your leader and the reps with him were treated with a complete lack of hospitality and grace. . .shameful

877 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:13:02pm

re: #875 Jimmah

You somehow sensed that Brown isn't one of my favourite politicians...;) i think he's actually much more the unprincipled suit that some people always liked to accuse Blair of being.

But I didn't take delight in the perceived slight, I just don't think this is that big of a deal.

Got it. . .and you are of course entitled to be that gracious about this. . .I am not willing to let it slide. . .

878 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:18:09pm

re: #874 DisturbedEma

Ok, but you being British is one thing, me being American means I still can be embarrassed by this asshat's actions toward Brown even if you are ot. .

I don't dispute your entitlement to that view one bit. I just disagree. I should explain about the Scots/British thing a little bit more. I would tend to call myself Scots as opposed to British a lot more if there was a decent Scottish Nationalist party - but there isn't. The Nats are a far worse proposition than any of the union parties. That makes me dread the prospect of independance. The thought of what an independent Scotland will likely be like is enough to kill any lurking nationalism that might be in me.

879 cagney  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:19:36pm

re: #876 DisturbedEma

I'm Scottish as well and not offended one bit.

Brown is universally hated over here and although Obama has show not shown respect to the position of Britain as an ally by his actions, it does not bother me because he did it to Brown and I hope it is another nail on the coffin of his future political aspirations and that of his wretched Labour party.

880 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:21:34pm

re: #873 snowcrash

Thank you.

At least it shows a bit more care the sending a aide to Blockbuster. Having the American Film Institute pick and assemble the collection sounds a bit better then the often quoted "Blockbuster" gift.

881 avanti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:24:07pm

re: #879 cagney

I'm Scottish as well and not offended one bit.

Brown is universally hated over here and although Obama has show not shown respect to the position of Britain as an ally by his actions, it does not bother me because he did it to Brown and I hope it is another nail on the coffin of his future political aspirations and that of his wretched Labour party.

It has been suggested that Brown wanted a political boost with the Obama visit, and the administration did not want to go over the top based on that.

882 paul sorene  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:25:48pm

This picture says it all about Obama - that's him in the middle, the one with the Obama watch on:

[Link: www.anorak.co.uk...]

883 cagney  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:27:48pm

re: #881 avanti

Lol. No wonder, they don't want to seen with a lame duck!

884 Aye Pod  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:30:37pm

re: #883 cagney

Yes, a lame duck with a wobbly lip.

885 bungie  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:31:05pm

I think we should start a running tally of the countries (and others, i.e. the Taliban) that Obama disses v. the ones he kisses up to. I have a hunch there will be a pattern.

Britain Hamas
Georgia Cuba


and so on. . . .
Anyone think there may be a racial component?

886 BruxellesBlog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:31:46pm

Maybe this has been mentioned, but how bad is it getting when even Maureen Dowd jumps on Obama?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"In one of his disturbing spells of passivity, President Obama decided not to fight Congress and live up to his own no-earmark pledge from the campaign...“You know, there are times where you can afford to redecorate your house and there are times where you need to focus on rebuilding its foundation,” he said recently about the “hard choices” we must make. Yet he did not ask Congress to sacrifice and make hard choices; he let it do a lot of frivolous redecorating in its budget.

Excuse me whilst I go drop a heavy object on my foot to make sure I am actually awake...

Charles, flying pig moment?

Had a rather depressing chat with an economist of some note here in Brussels last week, the US consumer has an AVERAGE net worth 30% higher than an average European. If Obama zaps that liquidity through increased Cap Gains taxes, Fuel Taxes, cutting foreign earned income credits, etc, there will be SERIOUS blow back in Europe as the US consumer stops purchasing EU exports.

Folks, this could get REALLY ugly, I mean REALLY ugly...

887 tronix  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:34:30pm

the REAL story behind the IDIOT dvd gift is that if was the only thing they could cobble together after deciding the giant chrome wheels would be even more undiplomatic.

888 cagney  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:38:11pm

re: #885 bungie

not racial but politically motivated.

889 Caboose  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:45:01pm

0bama administration = EPIC FAIL! The nation is more than its' current staff of clown-car occupants and spineless pussies*, so let's keep it strong and together until 2010 when we can start kicking these socialists to the curb!

*meaning 'pusillanimous'; look it up if you don't know what it means. Nothing to do with women.

890 bungie  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:48:10pm

re: #888 cagney

Perhaps, but I don't see his administration making great overtures to Sweden and other far left countries.

Besides isn't Gordon Brown pretty far to the left, too? I have long had the impression that any real racism is coming from O and Michelle, as evidenced by the Rev Wright's church and all.

891 ErnieG  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:54:17pm

re: #97 SteveC

They're just like the Beverly Hillbillies... folks who unexpectedly hit the big time, moved into a big mansion, and brought Granny with them.

I'm late to this thread, but the Beverly Hillbillies analogy is spot on. Not only is the Obama administration generally like a situation comedy, but has a close resemblance to the Beverly Hillbillies, with a hilarious supporting cast, and enough comedy material for an episode a week.

To add a serious side to this, I am reminded of Marx's comment that "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, and second as farce." In this case, the situation is reversed: the farce (Beverly Hillbillies) is repeating itself as tragedy (the Obama Administration.)

892 bungie  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 4:01:42pm

I think the "man on the street" is unhappy about Obama's spending.
From two unlikely sources:
Yesterday, I overheard an Hispanic working man complaining to his wife (in the Costco "food court" over their all-beef $1.50 hot dog) that Obama was "pissing all this money away." I was so startled I stared at him and he promptly lowered his voice and left (demonstrating I thought that everyone thinks everyone else is for him and only they see him for what he is.)

The second occasion involved a conversation at a high-end plaintiffs' law firm where the lawyers in question are known to have contributed heavily to ATLA (American Trial Lawyers' Assoc.) and to Joe Biden. They were expressed grave concerns about "fiscal responsibility" and the way Obama is spending money.

The feeling I'm picking up everywhere is, he's spending a trillion a day and that's insane and irresponsible. I think more people are going to go AWOL on their taxes, cheat, etc.

893 ronsfi  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 4:45:30pm

Meh. Effective Govt. is overrated...

894 Chotii  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 5:30:59pm

OT:

Went to Wal*Mart today to pick up some .22 ammo. The ammo shelves were virtually bare. There were some .25 and .22 boxes, and a couple of 30-06 boxes and 30-30 boxes. That's about it. Last time I was in there, those shelves were full.

Had to wait 20 minutes for some 20-something young fellows to buy themselves the cutest little 'cricket' .22 rifle I've ever seen, and for the staffer to call a manager to double-check the paperwork, and then to do a lot of other paperwork.

Those shelves were EMPTY.

895 derbigdog  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 5:32:36pm

re: #254 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Obama's tired. Reid is sleepy creepy. Pelosi goes through the day stuck in rapid eye movement.

I had grave doubts about Obama's work ethic, based on the his admitted doper period, his lack of distinction as a Harvard Law School editor, and his decision to avoid working at a major law firm and instead teaching and being a community organizer. Even his left wing sympathies find favor with those who are clever rather than productive.
The party hardy we hit the jackpot mentality is the clincher. This slighting the Brit's is probably the result of both he and his staff's not worrying about the details. The Russian thing really puzzles me, Hillary has a reputation for sweating the details. Was she deliberately ambushed?
Just my two scents

896 Chotii  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 5:34:52pm

This article, and the comments following, are also very interesting:

TV Warnings about Victim Disarmament Zones (from Breitbart.com)

897 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 5:45:49pm
898 Sheepdogess  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:06:57pm

re: #97 SteveC

They're just like the Beverly Hillbillies... folks who unexpectedly hit the big time, moved into a big mansion, and brought Granny with them.

We would be in much better shape if the Clampetts were running the country.

899 Gretchen  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:14:43pm

Did the protocol secretary have the discretion to peel the "Pre-viewed/2 for $10 from Blockbuster" stickers off the DVDs?

Does anyone know what movies were included? Sean Penn says Obama is an elegant president, so I guess "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was one of the 25.

I still can't get over the "overcharged" button. It will make a good documentary title someday.

We are sooooooo screwed.

900 Maui Girl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:28:22pm

re: #868 Strike Hornet

Perhaps Mr. Obama and his staff are finding being POTUS takes a little more effort than voting "Present" in the "Illinois State House" or "The US Senate"

ya think?

901 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:31:56pm

re: #900 Maui Girl

ya think?

It's a lot to keep up with, for a career Chicago rabble-rouser.

902 Maui Girl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:33:14pm

re: #894 Chotii

Seeing as how Walmart supports the chinese economy to a greater extent than here, perhaps it was a "shipping" problem? Is ammo made there and shipped here? I really don't know.

903 Maui Girl  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:35:26pm

re: #782 vagabond trader

Sorry if this was already posted. It wasn't only the thoughtless gifts. More importantly the lack of a state dinner and a press conference were very bad form and expose The Obama as a lout unfit to conduct foreign diplomacy.

It brings to mind that age old saying "You don't know whatcha got till it's gone!" How soon before people starting saying they wished Bush was back in office?

904 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:35:50pm

re: #885 bungie

I think we should start a running tally of the countries (and others, i.e. the Taliban) that Obama disses v. the ones he kisses up to. I have a hunch there will be a pattern.

Britain Hamas
Georgia Cuba

and so on. . . .
Anyone think there may be a racial component?

I don't know, but after the way they treated the British, I did wonder. I hope not.

905 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:42:03pm

re: #876 DisturbedEma

And if any of your felow BritScots were offended by the actions of my leader, well, what can I say, I am ashamed that he acted so classlessly. . .even if you were not, your leader and the reps with him were treated with a complete lack of hospitality and grace. . .shameful

I don't think we're going to be seeing too much graciousness in the next four years.

906 jumpininhere  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:42:38pm

This is so embarrassing.

907 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:45:29pm

Re: #43

You didn't hear this stuff about Bush because he is a grown-up, not a whiner.

908 ladycatnip  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:47:46pm

This remark says it all about his promise to use diplomacy if elected:

The official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: "There's nothing special about Britain. You're just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn't expect special treatment."

Crass, crude, insulting and socially inept. That's what we get for the next four years.

909 jumpininhere  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:49:57pm

The rules of etiquette taught by the Reverend Jeremiah Wright (?) are not sufficient for international diplomacy. Ugh.

910 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #858 mattm

Your the f***ing President. It's not supposed to be a walk in the park. This moron is unit to walk the family dog, never mind lead the country.

If you think about it, what really hard position has O ever had prior to this? IMO, the way has always been smoothed for him from college on, so no wonder he is overwhelmed. Not much consolation for the rest of us, though.

911 ladycatnip  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 7:07:42pm

#690 TMRiddle

Obama's learning the Presidency ain't sitting on your ass gazing at the ceiling waiting for 2012. I expect mistakes; I look to our previous Presidents to know they happen. I don't care what the press thinks of Obama - I'm not going to change my belief that an American president does not need to feel guilty for flubbing silly protocols.

Silly protocols? You must be joking. This man ran for president on the promise to use diplomacy not blow it up. There are reasons for protocols, for manners, for etiquette - the reason is not to offend people, and in dealing with foreign governments, that's very important.

As far as what the press thinks, apparently our American press doesn't think at all.

912 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 7:25:30pm

re: #731 phoenixgirl

i think he is doing it deliberately. i think soros is calling the shots

Was Soros the one who broke the Bank of England? Or something like that. I know that sounds ignorant which it is. Could someone clue me in on that please?

913 PaxAmericana  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 8:08:28pm

Remember during the campaign when McCain said they both should stop campaigning long enough to go to Washington and figure out how to end the housing/economic crisis? Remember Obama's response on how a president should be able to multitask (implying that McCain could not and therefore was unfit for the presidency)? Remember how the media ate that nonsense up like vultures slurping on carrion?

I remember.

If Obama can't take time out to give a proper meeting to the British PM, or find a reasonable gift (and btw, that's totally an aide job. I hope someone got fired for that), then you shouldn't be president.

The presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training. When I look at Obama's eyes, sometimes I swear he's just as surprised as I am that he's the President of the United States.

914 avspatti  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 8:09:26pm

re: #437 Irish Rose

[We need to start the impeachment process now.]

Can we impeach for incompetence? Probably not.

915 ladycatnip  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 8:55:39pm

#240 ciaospirit

How can he do that? I didn't think the executive branch could override the supremes or states rights. So much for checks and balances with this admin.

916 rumcrook  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 8:56:17pm

re: #690 TMRiddle

you screw up protocols at the peril of everyones lives.

you think thier silly? when we need allies or dont want national incedents with enemies, you screw them up at the cost of everyone else in the country.

protocols are simply rules of etiquette from individuals scaled up to national/international use.
on a personal level between individuals if you screw up silly protocols, like for instance you treat your boss with much too much familiarity and tell an insulting joke at his expense you could end up blackballed or fired or relagated to never being promoted. no?

or you have a date to make dinner for a women, the hottest girl you have ever been with, and excuse yourself to go to the restroom and urinate all over the toilet seat then walk out of the bathroom while you are on said first date with her in your home and now she walks into the bathroom.... game over no?

obama needs to get his not ready for prime time narcsistic head out of his ass.

917 katemaclaren  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:10:40pm

re: #7 VegasRick

Feckers!

mother feckers?

918 katemaclaren  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:13:23pm

Hey. Anybody thought that he might just turn in his resignation!? What a hoot that would be. Go Joe!

919 katemaclaren  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #876 DisturbedEma

And if any of your felow BritScots were offended by the actions of my leader, well, what can I say, I am ashamed that he acted so classlessly. . .even if you were not, your leader and the reps with him were treated with a complete lack of hospitality and grace. . .shameful

I am a Scot--born and raised to the ripe old age of 11 when I came here. My family still live on Skye and in Oban. ...AND, whether I am an American now or still a Scot at heart--I am offended by Obama's treatment of Gordon Brown. Highly offended. Reading the article made my blood boil. I wonder if he's going to treat the Prime Minister of Australia in the same cavalier way? I'll bet he won't be treating either Putin or Chavez badly when he has them over for dinner some night soon.

920 Promethea  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:52:21pm

re: #782 vagabond trader

Sorry if this was already posted. It wasn't only the thoughtless gifts. More importantly the lack of a state dinner and a press conference were very bad form and expose The Obama as a lout unfit to conduct foreign diplomacy.

He should spend the taxpayers' money doing his job as a diplomat and spend his own money entertaining the Hollywood nobodies.

921 RudiStettner  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:42:37pm

Where is his manager of protocol? He should have had someone guiding him through the intricacies of diplomatic protocol. It shows an appalling lack of planning that he took office without a seasoned team of advisers. I can't wait to see him botch things up with the French. They have been wishing him on us since day one. Let them enjoy him for a few days.

922 dmjboose  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:36:56pm

no no no. When He said that He would use diplomacy more. He was referring to diplomacy with our enemies. Why would He need diplomacy with our friends? Surely they will see The Light.

923 damnyanqui  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 9:16:42am

The British aren't our friends.
They're our FAMILY.
And as such we can only hope they'll be understanding relatives as we go through one of our stupid spasms in our sometimes screwed up exercise of democracy.
Remember these are the people who kicked Winston Churchill to the curb and ignored him even as the Soviets were consolidating their power.
After the great relations we enjoyed with the UK under Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and even Clinton, let's just hope they understand that we're bound to have a Carter every now and then. Idiots do get elected sometimes.
The only real danger is if we have to ask them for some big honkin' favor between now and when the electorate come to their senses.
Then Oprabamah's foreign policy ineptitude could become a serious problem, even vis a vis a country that's barely "foreign" at all.

924 Cielolady  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:30am

re: #393 yma o hyd

Which, for a statesman or president, is as silly an attitude as when Gord wouldn't speak to Madame Merkel because of Hitler.

On this political stage one simply ( does) should not behave like a leftie student.

Fixed it for you...

925 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:10pm

re: #831 Iron Fist

Thanks guys. Your comments are engorging. It was pretty tough on the family. I was through it before when my dad died from an illness when I was 12. I am not bragging, but what I was told was not many people survived that kind of accident. If you see the pictures, you will understand it. I write this to help people who have medical problems. The mental part can make you go very far. The stubbornness and dedication (proper word?) in your mind can make you survive anything. It does not matter how strong or well built you are. Take the loss of football players in the storm in the gulf down in Florida as an example. The football players sadly gave up and removed their life jackets. It must have been pretty bad with hypothermia, the big waves, etc. But the other guy had the stubbornness to survive. All the families have my sympathy. I have written this to help people what is possible if they put their mind to it.

926 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #831 Iron Fist

The other driver was in his 20's. According to what I was told from people in the know, his uncle is the township police chief. But I have his police records that has his rap sheet. He has over 10 charges, from assault and battery to running stop signs. It is funny that the report states that I ran a stop sign.
The more I find out, the entire thing stinks like hell. In 30 years, I never ran a stop sign. According to the police report ,the data obtain by my car says I ran the stop sign at a whopping 5 miles an hour. Figure that out. I crossed the intersection at the speed of a turtle, and he was going down the 200 yards (2 football fields) straightaway at 12 noon on a sunny day, and he couldn't avoid the accident? Was he drunk? Fast asleep? But my cars black box has mysteriously disappeared. From the auto garage where his other relative works. The garage two townships away. Sound funny? The pick-up was not even his. It is titled and licensed to someone else. As I said before, my family has been through hell, and the family wants to get on with their lives. In my mind, I never want this to happen again to someone else he hits. As an ex-fireman who has seen many accidents, accidents happen. Due to weather conditions, traffic, etc. I have been called to respond to an accident caused by fog that involved like 50 vehicles. Cars, trucks. semi's. etc. I do not mean to offend any lizards who had an accident. There are to many idiots on the road sometime.

927 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 4:05:39pm

re: #809 zimriel

Read this, written by a guy who lives in his neighborhood one of his dearest friends and ghostwriter of his last book.

Prairie Fire [Link: www.zombietime.com...]

928 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 4:18:40pm

My last post was intended forre: #684 Jimmah

That is insane...lol

Sorry zimriel.

929 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 4:47:58pm

I have a feeling that Obama will turn out to be the biggest useful idiot in history.

930 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 9:44:45pm

This is my 1001'st post. If I had been paying attention I would alerted everyone to the epochal milestone of my 1000th. I sincerely apologize to everyone whom I have disappointed. Again, my sincerest apologies. I hope my public is not too disappointed.


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