Just be careful for a lot of scientists who have a sudden falsetto...

Oh, wait, that's helium. Never mind.

/Emily Litella

Low bid.

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

They have to finalize the sponsorship deal with the Discovery Institute, and finish spraypainting on the proper logos.

///

Well, sure, because the Shuttle is intelligently designed. Of course.

/All too easy

Oh James Carville.

Time to get a new space entry and re-entry platform...the Shuttle is getting too old (and scary)

In related news NASA discovered that people considered for Obama sub-cabinet picks had been employed at the visitors center at the Space Launch center and the shuttle crew are refusing to board until the whole thing is inspected and reassembled.

Don't light any matches!

/boom!

Do government open-bid contracts always go to the lowest bidder?

Sorry they postponed it...reports said the Wednesday launch would be visible from my area if skies were clear enough. Clouds and rain for Thursday here will hide the view more than likely. Rats! Safety first though...always.

re: #7 Desert Dog

Time to get a new space entry and re-entry platform...the Shuttle is getting too old (and scary)

They're due to stop flying after next year.

re: #5 vxbush

Well, sure, because the Shuttle is intelligently designed. Of course.

/All too easy

Was it Al Gore, Obama or another Democrat who designed the Shuttle?

I can't deny a little trepidation over the fact that when I was on the way to work this morning there was a radio piece on how one of the astronauts is a former teacher from MD and would wear a t-shirt given to him from the kids at the school. It was like the Onion article about how a teacher, some kittens, and a bunch of orphans were about to go up on the Challenger mission.

OT REPOST: WTF? Paraphrasing from memory, noon news talking head:

"Pres. Obama plans to sign a massive spending bill full of the same kind of pet projects he promised to eliminate".

Is that criticism, from the MSM? Couldn't be, I must have heard it wrong.

All available plugs are currently being used on the economy and social issue...the shuttles gas leak will have to wait.
//

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

OT REPOST: WTF? Paraphrasing from memory, noon news talking head:

"Pres. Obama plans to sign a massive spending bill full of the same kind of pet projects he promised to eliminate".

Is that criticism, from the MSM? Couldn't be, I must have heard it wrong.

Oh, but he's okay with earmarks, as long as they're "smart" earmarks.

/like ones for democrats

Troll over

re: #18 Erik The Red

Troll over

re: #18 Erik The Red

Troll over

re: #19 Erik The Red

Previous thread

re: #13 taxfreekiller

OT
Just so's ya know.

The Unions won what we minutemen could not pull off on our own last year against Bush and his open borders deal.

There is a end of the Mexican Trucks in America in the budget bill Obama is going to sign. No Mexican Trucks more than 20 miles other than Az. and there its 75 miles. "Tucson" .

When your protecting the American home land, any way to get the job done.

He's claiming they are leftovers from the last administration.

Riiight.

LIGHT THIS CANDLE!

;-)

re: #20 Erik The Red

re: #19 Erik The Red

Previous thread

Sigh they do tired easily, right?

This is O/T , but really pisses me off.
I was ranting about it this morning at my local paper's comment section.
"More that $1 out of every $5 in Federal "Stimulus" money coming to Massachusetts, that is more than 20% is going to preserve the "Kennedy family legacy" WHAT THE HELL is an Institute for the senate anyway?
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

re: #22 jcm

LIGHT THIS CANDLE!

;-)

Skidooosh...

Thanks for the update, Charles!

re: #22 jcm

LIGHT THIS CANDLE!

;-)

Yes, right way, jcm, right away. . .

re: #2 vxbush

Oh, wait, that's helium. Never mind.

/Emily Litella

Hydrogen would do the same thing, but you really don't want to smoke afterward.

Everyone pray for one more day's postponement. I'll be there Friday night.

Good night Lizards. See you on the LNDT.

I have a buddy who worked for Aerojet designing solid fuel rocket motors. He once told me that the Aerojet brass figured out they could buy remnant liquid fueled rocket motors dirt cheap from the Soviet space program. They got the first one in and couldn't believe the Soviets could make the thing even light off without exploding into a million pieces. They leaked fuel all over the place and the fuel lines looked like they had been formed around a tree trunk or something. There is a side story to this where one of the Soviet engineers that came over to check on the problems ended up drunk as hell on Vodka water sking Folsom Lake with the Aerojet engineers - he ended up drowning that day.

re: #17 Ward Cleaver

They showed a clip of McCain on the floor criticizing Obama and the spending bill, and cited that democrats say that Obama has no choice but to sign this bill. I was just kind of surprised that the MSM talking head basically called Obama out for doing something he promised not to do.

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

OT REPOST: WTF? Paraphrasing from memory, noon news talking head:

"Pres. Obama plans to sign a massive spending bill full of the same kind of pet projects he promised to eliminate".

Is that criticism, from the MSM? Couldn't be, I must have heard it wrong.

They're busily shouting that it's "Last Years' Bill" (IOW it's Bush's fault) and Obama has nothing to do with it. Which is why he is signing it in secret. That should give them some deniability later.
/

H2 leak? Sheeeit!
Odorless, colorless, and highly flammable (to the point of 'generating explosive forces') ...
Ahhh, the smoking lamp is OUT.

shoot..no shot...
time for a shot
then shoot some pics
before the day is shot

re: #5 vxbush

Not true. The shuttle evolved from many earlier designs (including vastly different orbiter/launcher/fuel tank configurations), and the current shuttle bears only external similarities to the original shuttle (Columbia) before it was destroyed. Internal avionics and display systems have been thoroughly upgraded over time. /

The space shuttle has problems with gas? BEANO!

Perhaps the Engineers at NASA smelt something funny.

re: #33 CyanSnowHawk

They're busily shouting that it's "Last Years' Bill" (IOW it's Bush's fault) and Obama has nothing to do with it. Which is why he is signing it in secret. That should give them some deniability later.
/

Um isn't it currently this year?

Right now I mean?

So it's this years bill, cause it's there now.

Some things are actually simple. Im jus sayin...

Dow at +6 with 2 minutes to go.

Does it close up?
Does it close down?
Does it close even?

Dunno.

re: #36 lawhawk

Not true. The shuttle evolved from many earlier designs (including vastly different orbiter/launcher/fuel tank configurations), and the current shuttle bears only external similarities to the original shuttle (Columbia) before it was destroyed. Internal avionics and display systems have been thoroughly upgraded over time. /

In other words - it's a kluge. Seriously.

Dang. East Coasters were going to be able to see it all the way up to New York City.

We'll look for it tomorrow. Described on the news as a bright orange fast moving star.

re: #41 turn

In other words - it's a kluge. Seriously.

don't make me google...what's a kluge?

The MSM have an attention span of a 3 year old. Obama is already beginning to bore them.

re: #40 subsailor68

Dow at +6 with 2 minutes to go.

Does it close up?
Does it close down?
Does it close even?

Why am I asking you?

-Hedley Lamar

I sell to NASA and I hate to say it, but there are quite a few gomers working there. "It ain't rocket science" oh yeah ummm yeah

re: #39 Harry Tuttle

Um isn't it currently this year?

Right now I mean?

So it's this years bill, cause it's there now.

Some things are actually simple. Im jus sayin...

And you would be right, but the WH is insisting that this one is last year's bill.

I saw this quote from the messiah this morning, "I am signing an imperfect omnibus bill because it is necessary for the ongoing functions of government, But I also view this as a departure point for more far-reaching change."

In other words, "Okay, we'll do this just one more time." Is it just me, or does he sound a bit like a problem gambler?

re: #29 Silhouette

Hey! How you been?

re: #43 albusteve

don't make me google...what's a kluge?

It's how spellcheck corrected my "cluge". I use it as slang for a design haphazardly pieced together.

Must have been some problems at the sound stage where they shoot all of these phony space thingees.

/ Didn't think it was really needed, but the bad craziness is becoming the norm it seems.

re: #33 CyanSnowHawk

They're busily shouting that it's "Last Years' Bill" (IOW it's Bush's fault) and Obama has nothing to do with it. Which is why he is signing it in secret.

Maybe that's it, he's not turning out to be the Anti-Bush the thought they knew.

re: #40 subsailor68

Dow at +6 with 2 minutes to go.

Does it close up?
Does it close down?
Does it close even?

Dunno.

+3.91 now.

This isn't the Hubble mission, is it? Didn't they postpone that one because of some problem with the telescope?

re: #52 Unakite

+3.91 now.

Did Barry or Timmy start talking?

re: #46 JimInMN

I sell to NASA and I hate to say it, but there are quite a few gomers working there. "It ain't rocket science" oh yeah ummm yeah

What do you sell? Janitorial supplies? ;)

re: #43 albusteve

don't make me google...what's a kluge?

I think he meant kludge, which, according to Dictionary.com is

kludge
–noun Computer Slang.
a software or hardware configuration that, while inelegant, inefficient, clumsy, or patched together, succeeds in solving a specific problem or performing a particular task.

re: #49 turn

It's how spellcheck corrected my "cluge". I use it as slang for a design haphazardly pieced together.

well 'cluge'...I use that word all the time...thancs

re: #55 Soona'

Apple mac servers for IPTV

re: #55 Soona'

What do you sell? Janitorial supplies? ;)

Hydrogen gas valves...cheap!

re: #59 Desert Dog

Can I have one? Be cool to say I had one.

Update on Galloway in Gaza...
Yahoo pic

Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (R) presents British politician George Galloway with a map, depicting part of British-mandate Palestine, during their meeting in Gaza, in this picture released by Haniyeh's office March 11, 2009.

"Imagine a world without Israel"

re: #47 CyanSnowHawk

And you would be right, but the WH is insisting that this one is last year's bill.

I saw this quote from the messiah this morning, "I am signing an imperfect omnibus bill because it is necessary for the ongoing functions of government, But I also view this as a departure point for more far-reaching change."

In other words, "Okay, we'll do this just one more time." Is it just me, or does he sound a bit like a problem gambler?

If these people were in corporate America they would all be in jail.

re: #59 Desert Dog

Hydrogen gas valves...cheap!

are you cool with a Nork spinoff?

Stoopid rocket scientists.

All worried about something like a little bit of hydrogen. Don't they know? Haven't they heard?

There is no such thing as too much stimulus!

Sheesh! Sit down, strap in, and light the fuse. I don't see what could possibly go wrong, here.

re: #53 Fat Jolly Penguin

This isn't the Hubble mission, is it? Didn't they postpone that one because of some problem with the telescope?

That's later in the year. This one is to put the final Solar Array on the ISS.

re: #63 albusteve

are you cool with a Nork spinoff?

bad fu

re: #53 Fat Jolly Penguin

This isn't the Hubble mission, is it? Didn't they postpone that one because of some problem with the telescope?

Dave Barry once wrote an absolutely hysterical column about the Hubble when it was basically blind. Cartoon showed a telescope with little seeing eye satellite.

re: #57 albusteve

well 'cluge'...I use that word all the time...thancs

Hey what can I say? I'm an engineer, I can't spell worth shit. I see cyan found a programming related definition, it works for mechanical designs as well.

re: #54 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Did Barry or Timmy start talking?

Tomorrow will tell the tale, retail sales numbers coming out. I'm taking a chance and staying in for a bit longer rather then taking a quick buck. I may regret it.

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

Never tried to spell it before if you can believe that, thanks yes that is what I meant.

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

That's later in the year. This one is to put the final Solar Array on the ISS.

That's what I thought. Do you know what actually happened to Hubble?

re: #68 turn

Hey what can I say? I'm an engineer, I can't spell worth shit. I see cyan found a programming related definition, it works for mechanical designs as well.

I flunked the Erector Set class, but I get you...

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I recently tried watching the 2005 Hitchens v. Galloway debate, but couldn't make it through the whole thing. That Galloway is a grade-a D-bag, and was just too irritating to watch.

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

I think he meant kludge, which, according to Dictionary.com is

kludge
–noun Computer Slang.
a software or hardware configuration that, while inelegant, inefficient, clumsy, or patched together, succeeds in solving a specific problem or performing a particular task.

I guess this would work for inelegant spreadsheets too...and therefore all of mine.

does kluge rhyme with luge?

re: #68 turn

Hey what can I say? I'm an engineer, I can't spell worth shit. I see cyan found a programming related definition, it works for mechanical designs as well.

Don't rely on that old crutch. I R 1 2. Although I often despair at my colleagues writing skills.

Well Speaking of outer space..How about innerspace?
Great read at the the universe today website on the new discoveries of the physics of the Higgs-Boson particle.
[Link: www.universetoday.com...]

OT: If anyone sees Iron Fist and Realwest on this thread, let them know I appreciate their comments/suggestions from a few threads back. They were both helpful.

re: #74 Leonidas Hoplite

Yes, well it does when I say it anyway.

Can we postpone Obama? He has a gas leak every time he opens his mouth.

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

I recently tried watching the 2005 Hitchens v. Galloway debate, but couldn't make it through the whole thing. That Galloway is a grade-a D-bag, and was just too irritating to watch.

Hitch was brilliant in that debate.

re: #75 CyanSnowHawk

Don't rely on that old crutch. I R 1 2. Although I often despair at my colleagues writing skills.

As in I are n enguneer? cool!

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

re: #43 albusteve

don't make me google...what's a kluge?

I always spelled it "kludge"

re: #71 Fat Jolly Penguin

That's what I thought. Do you know what actually happened to Hubble?

IIRC, most of her gyros have malfunctioned. One more failure would finish her life as a telescope. The repair mission will replace those and swap out some instruments, which it is hoped, will significantly extend her usefulness. This should keep Hubble operational until the James Webb telescope is deployed.

re: #76 HoosierHoops

Well Speaking of outer space..How about innerspace?
Great read at the the universe today website on the new discoveries of the physics of the Higgs-Boson particle.
[Link: www.universetoday.com...]

From your link:

The collaboration presented its result at the annual conference on Electroweak Interactions and Unified Theories known as Rencontres de Moriond on Sunday.

Damn, I missed it.

MPACUK on yesterday's disgraceful Islamist protest...
Luton Anti-War Protest

We welcome the fact that the anti-war protestors carried out their protest peacfully. They are well within their rights to protest at the 1 million dead in Iraq because of the whims of Bush, Blair and their Ziocon stooges.

Whilst all anti-war protesters care for the troops on the whole, we are not blindly patriotic to the extent that we will turn a blind eye to the errors of the Armed Services.

Blaming troops, however, is perhaps not the wisest thing to do, neither is condemning the anti-war protestors as they are both consequences of a calculated ziocon agenda.

Blame da Jooos!

re: #74 Leonidas Hoplite

I guess this would work for inelegant spreadsheets too...and therefore all of mine.

does kluge rhyme with luge?

Long 'U', but the 'dge' is pronounced like in 'edge'.

re: #81 turn

As in I are n enguneer? cool!

Yep. Currently reporting from my cubicle at Spectrum Center.

Question the timing.

re: #82 zzz...

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

Depends..Will any Brazilian super models be making the trip with me?

Also Lizards..More on the Shuttle delay here:
[Link: www.space.com...]

Discovery’s flight to the international space station is already a month late because of concern about hydrogen gas valves in the engine compartment. NASA officials say the leak occurred in plumbing outside of the shuttle and had nothing to do with those valves.

I know I'm saying this about 30 years too late, but it seems to me that the Space Shuttle just had too many design flaws. There always seem to be problem with gas leaks. And then there was the issue with the foam breaking off the fuel tanks. And of course the biggest problem of all: the heat tiles.

The Space Shuttle design was 99% brilliant, but that remaining 1% has caused a lot of hassle.

The whole purpose of making a re-usable space vehicle was to save money. But has anyone ever calculated whether or not it would have been cheaper to simply use "disposable" rockets for all these missions?

re: #89 Ben Hur

Question the timing.

Okay. What time is it?

re: #82 zzz...

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

Actually, Discovery first flew a bit over 24 years ago, although its design is older. 40 years ago, we were still flying Saturn Vs and playing around in lunar orbit. (Those were the days my friends.)

However, Discovery's odometer reads a bit over 117,000,000 miles, so you may have a point.

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

This should keep Hubble operational until the James Webb telescope is deployed.

Or until the zero's porkulus is all paid for.

re: #91 zombie

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

re: #49 turn

It's how spellcheck corrected my "cluge". I use it as slang for a design haphazardly pieced together.

Kluge (or kludge) is correct...

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I agree. I just wish he was debating someone that didn't evoke such a visceral reaction out of me. I quit during Galloway's part in the second round, my BP was getting to high. And people were cheering that scumbag, for the most asinine garbage. Only in America.

re: #82 zzz...

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

I've seen blueprints of the Space Shuttle drawn in (not a joke) 1966. One of the very first drafts. Looked slightly different than the final version, but not much different.

That, my friends, is how out-of-date the Space Shuttle design is.

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

IIRC, most of her gyros have malfunctioned. One more failure would finish her life as a telescope. The repair mission will replace those and swap out some instruments, which it is hoped, will significantly extend her usefulness. This should keep Hubble operational until the James Webb telescope is deployed.

That doesn't surprise me -- they've had problems with those gyros as long as I can remember.

Just found a cool page over at NASA about the Webb telescope:

Will astronauts be able to service JWST like they did HST?

Unlike HST, which orbits roughly 350 miles above the surface of Earth and is therefore accessible by the Space Shuttle, JWST will orbit the second Lagrange point (L2), which is roughly 1,000,000 miles from Earth. There is currently no servicing capability that can be used for missions orbiting L2, and therefore the JWST mission baseline design does not rely upon a servicing option. However, the JWST Project has studied and is considering the possibility of adding a fixture to enable attachment of a future servicing vehicle to the observatory. They have also studied whether there are any types of servicing activities that might be feasible, and identified the top-level requirements that would need to be met by a future servicing capability in order to service JWST, e.g., contamination control considerations to avoid damage to exposed JWST optical surfaces.

What is JWST doing to ensure that its gyros last the full mission?

The gyroscopes on HST and Chandra are mechanical devices dependent on bearings for their function, and they face problems typical of such designs. JWST has adopted a different gyroscope technology. The "Hemispherical Resonator Gyroscope" (HRG) uses a quartz hemisphere vibrating at its resonant frequency to sense the inertial rate. The hemisphere is made to resonate in a vacuum, and the hemisphere’s rate of motion is sensed by the interaction between the hemisphere and separate sensing electrodes on the HRG housing. The result is an extremely reliable package with no flexible leads and no bearings. The internal HRG operating environment is a vacuum, thus once the gyroscope is in space any housing leaks would actually improve performance. Stress analyses of HRGs show this design has a "mean time before failure" of 10 million hours. As of June 2006, this type of device had accumulated more than 7 million hours of continuous operation in space without a failure. This new technology eliminates the bearing wear-out failure mode, leaving only random failure and radiation susceptibility of the electronics (which all such devices share, and which can be mitigated by screening and shielding).

Wait a sec, there's more, it won't fit in this comment...

re: #88 CyanSnowHawk

Yep. Currently reporting from my cubicle at Spectrum Center.

In Irvine?

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

Urban Myth.

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

Apparently: Snopes: Post it note origin

re: #95 Iron Fist

Dude, are you trying to make me feel old? I remember the first launch, and how the Shuttle was going to revolutionize space exploration. If by that they meant "freeze it into place at the same lever for forty years", then they accomplished their goal.

Otherwise, I'm pretty disappointed with where we are now. The last President we had that was even remotely serious about space exploration was Reagan.

I remember when there were monkeys space...they went up for breakfast and were back by lunch

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

IIRC, Post-it notes were invented by a guy at 3M who was designing adhesives, but I don't know if it was for the space shuttle tiles.

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

I think he meant kludge, which, according to Dictionary.com is

kludge
–noun Computer Slang.
a software or hardware configuration that, while inelegant, inefficient, clumsy, or patched together, succeeds in solving a specific problem or performing a particular task.

... and the term is most often used as a pejorative -- sometimes as an expletive.

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

sticky question...

re: #100 Fat Jolly Penguin

How is JWST being tested?

JWST will be tested incrementally during its construction, starting with individual mirrors and instruments (including cameras and spectrometers) and building up to the full observatory. JWST's mirrors and the telescope structure are first each tested individually, including optical testing of the mirrors and alignment testing of the structure inside a cold thermal-vacuum chamber. The mirrors are then installed on the telescope structure in a clean room at Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC). In parallel to the telescope assembly and alignment, the instruments are being built and tested, again first individually, and then as part of an integrated instrument assembly. The integrated instrument assembly will be tested in a thermal-vacuum chamber at GSFC using an optical simulator of the telescope. This testing makes sure the instruments are properly aligned relative to each other and also provides an independent check of the individual tests. After both the telescope and the integrated instrument module are successfully assembled, the integrated instrument module will be installed onto the telescope, and the combined system will be sent to Johnson Space Flight Center (JSC) where it will be optically tested in one of the JSC chambers. The process includes testing the 18 primary mirror segments acting as a single primary mirror, and testing the end-to-end system. The final system test will assure that the combined telescope and instruments are focused and aligned properly, and that the alignment, once in space, will be within the range of the actively controlled optics. In general, the individual optical tests of instruments and mirrors are the most accurate. The final system tests provide a cost-effective check that no major problem has occurred during assembly. In addition, independent optical checks of earlier tests will be made as the full system is assembled, providing confidence that there are no major problems.

Why is JWST being tested this way?

The most expensive tests of a large space telescope are the final system tests. The Hubble Space Telescope did not have a final system test – which could have caught the problem in the fabrication of the Hubble primary mirror – because it was deemed too complex and expensive. Unlike Hubble, JWST is not easily serviceable; thus JWST must be done right. The challenge has been to design a test strategy that assures success but is also affordable. The JWST test plan emphasizes incremental testing, accompanied by independent checks at each level of assembly to minimize the uncertainties left for the final system test. The plan does include a final system test, and this test makes use of the JWST active optics. This final test will assure that JWST can be aligned on-orbit, making the test cost effective yet retaining adequate redundancy and accuracy to detect any problems.

Here's a new topic for Charles, conservative states want to grant person hood to fertilized embryo's.

link

Well, I knew about the Hymnbook part.

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Post is notes were invented by a guy who was trying to create an adhesive to affix the shuttle's tiles.

Or is that in Urban Myth?

I wrote that answer down on a small yellow piece of paper that I can't seem to find...

re: #82 zzz...

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

Boy, I'll say!

Be sorta like me taking a '69 Corvette convertible, a beautiful girl, and expecting to enjoy myself on a cross-country trip.

...

Ummm, I'm sorry. I seem to have drifted off for a moment. What were you saying?

re: #91 zombie

I know I'm saying this about 30 years too late, but it seems to me that the Space Shuttle just had too many design flaws. There always seem to be problem with gas leaks. And then there was the issue with the foam breaking off the fuel tanks. And of course the biggest problem of all: the heat tiles.

The Space Shuttle design was 99% brilliant, but that remaining 1% has caused a lot of hassle.

The whole purpose of making a re-usable space vehicle was to save money. But has anyone ever calculated whether or not it would have been cheaper to simply use "disposable" rockets for all these missions?

When it first started flying, there was no fuel tank foam problem. Those started happening after the greenies and the EPA made them start using an enviromentally friendly foam because they thought the original was too toxic.

crap... I was really hoping to get a nice long-exposure shot against a clear night sky.

... especially since I botched my picture of the last night launch

re: #101 turn

In Irvine?

Kearny Mesa in San Diego.

I thought I'd heard Obama was cutting way back on NASA's budget, but I guess it's just the opposite.

He may be doing one thing right?

/please, don't hit me

re: #91 zombie

The whole purpose of making a re-usable space vehicle was to save money.

Hey there Zombie, another (more important?) reason was so that the military could bring back stuff from space r.e. secret spy stuff.

Re: the $13 a week stimulus we are supposed to get. What about the people that don't work but are on welfare or SSI or SSDI are they getting any 'stimulus'?

Hillary is honoring eight women on International Women's Day.

Notice Mandy's not here? Toots? Where are the lady lizards. They gettin' their reward?

re: #95 Iron Fist

Dude, are you trying to make me feel old? I remember the first launch, and how the Shuttle was going to revolutionize space exploration. If by that they meant "freeze it into place at the same lever for forty years", then they accomplished their goal.

Otherwise, I'm pretty disappointed with where we are now. The last President we had that was even remotely serious about space exploration was Reagan.

I'm also very disappointed. We should have had a crew on Mars ten or more years ago

re: #106 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... and the term is most often used as a pejorative -- sometimes as an expletive.

Often preceded by a very 'Mandy-like' adjective.

Gotta run. James Mitchener's "Space" was a pretty cool read.

re: #121 Soona'

I'm also very disappointed. We should have had a crew on Mars ten or more years ago

When they do go, I hope they have a Slim Whitman recording...

-just in case...

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hillary is honoring eight women on International Women's Day.

Notice Mandy's not here? Toots? Where are the lady lizards. They gettin' their reward?

I think you're on to something. Sharm? Dianna? If not they should be.

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hillary is honoring eight women on International Women's Day.

Notice Mandy's not here? Toots? Where are the lady lizards. They gettin' their reward?

I'm boycotting International Women's Day until they also have an International Men's Day.

re: #97 talon_262

Kluge (or kludge) is correct...

Thanks for that, interesting it evolved to mean the opposite of it's root.

re: #119 newsjunkie_ky

Re: the $13 a week stimulus we are supposed to get. What about the people that don't work but are on welfare or SSI or SSDI are they getting any 'stimulus'?

Absolutely!

The leak of gaseous hydrogen occurred

I sympathize. I just had a leak of gaseous methane, right here in my office.

/damn burrito

re: #121 Soona'

I'm also very disappointed. We should have had a crew on Mars ten or more years ago

I don't think so. Geting humans to Mars is tough -- very tough. The required food and oxygen alone for such a long journey would take up the entire payload space, and more.

re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When they do go, I hope they have a Slim Whitman recording...

-just in case...

LOL.

re: #109 avanti

Sean Tipton, director of public affairs at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, said legislation that would affect stem cell research has been introduced in several states, including Alabama, Georgia, Maryland, Montana, North Dakota and South Carolina.

"It's clearly part of a national strategy and at some point it will probably succeed," Tipton said.

Tipton said advocacy groups are targeting states where they have the best chance of success.

One of those is Georgia, where Gov. Sonny Perdue has said he opposes embryonic stem cell research, even as he tries to lure biotech companies to state.

"I am absolutely opposed to creating embryos to cure a disease," Perdue told reporters this week.

Ugh. Dishonest and willfully ignorant just like the creationists.

re: #130 zombie

Shit. Grand Finwick was able to get to the moon.

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! How you been?

Busy. Yourself?

re: #122 CyanSnowHawk

Often preceded by a very 'Mandy-like' adjective.

heh

And followed by a loudly-voiced string of epithets from across the room if the engineer who designed the ... er ... "thing" ... is present to hear it.

re: #109 avanti

Here's a new topic for Charles, conservative states want to grant person hood to fertilized embryo's.

link

I think that would be a singularly bad idea.

re: #99 zombie

I've seen blueprints of the Space Shuttle drawn in (not a joke) 1966. One of the very first drafts. Looked slightly different than the final version, but not much different.

That, my friends, is how out-of-date the Space Shuttle design is.

Hell, the USAF is still flying B-52s, designed in 1946.

re: #82 zzz...

The shuttle was designed and built 40 years ago. How would you like to be going into space in a pacer?

I've seen the original Gemini capsule. Those guys were riding in an aluminum foil can, sitting in a lawn chair, and using a four-function calculator to run the thing.

/only a very slight exaggeration

Old technology.

Your text to How the US forgot how to make Trident missiles - loss of files and key staff reason for $69m repair delaylink...

PLANS TO refurbish Trident nuclear weapons had to be put on hold because US scientists forgot how to manufacture a component of the warhead, a US congressional investigation has revealed. Over the last year the Government Accountability Office (GAO), which reports to the US Congress, has been investigating the W76 refurbishment programme. An unclassified version of its final report was released last week. The GAO report concluded: "NNSA ( The US National Nuclear Security Administration ) did not effectively manage one of the highest risks of the programme - the manufacture of a key material known as Fogbank - resulting in $69m in cost over-runs and a schedule delay of at least one year that presented significant logistical challenges for the navy."

That's crazytalk right there.

That'd be as crazy as thinking that DOS has anything to do with current computer programming.

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hillary is honoring eight women on International Women's Day.

Notice Mandy's not here? Toots? Where are the lady lizards. They gettin' their reward?

wrenchwench is here.
Are you saying she's not a lady?

/*grin* ... trying to get you into trouble

re: #118 turn

The whole purpose of making a re-usable space vehicle was to save money.

Hey there Zombie, another (more important?) reason was so that the military could bring back stuff from space r.e. secret spy stuff.

IIRC, wasn't the shuttle supposed to be a short term proof of concept prototype that was quickly replaced by a new vehicle that would use all the lessons learned in the design and operation of the original in order to achieve those cost reductions?

re: #113 Soona'

I heard the same thing... could it be said that environmentalists led to the Columbia disaster and lost crew?

re: #135 Silhouette

Can't complain (without brown-shirts stomping the crap out of me).

re: #129 Occasional Reader

I sympathize. I just had a leak of gaseous methane, right here in my office.

/damn burrito

Hey OR, did you check out that city council fart video I posted a link to yesterday? That cracked me up.

re: #130 zombie

I don't think so. Geting humans to Mars is tough -- very tough. The required food and oxygen alone for such a long journey would take up the entire payload space, and more.

Got to build big for manned interplanetary. First ships for a Moon and Mars colony should be a biosphere in space, take crops and food with them as almost self sustaining environments in route

re: #116 CyanSnowHawk

Kearny Mesa in San Diego.

Hey! I'm in Kearny Mesa, too. At least, I work here, live elsewhere.

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Hell, the USAF is still flying B-52s, designed in 1946.

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

private business will get us to Mars sooner than NASA...bet on it

re: #145 turn

Hey OR, did you check out that city council fart video I posted a link to yesterday? That cracked me up.

No, I must have missed the Fart Thread.

re: #149 Russkilitlover

Hey! I'm in Kearny Mesa, too. At least, I work here, live elsewhere.

I'm down in Coronado, but hit Kearny Mesa all the time

re: #146 Iron Fist

Dude.

OT: Anyone here ever have the Shingles? I first thought I had a spider bite on my wrist, then 2 days later I got another "bite" midway up my forearm. They itched. Not terribly, but still annoying. Then, on the day I was going to see a friend in the hospital (Had his lower leg amputated-he's a diabetic :( )
they were starting to ooze, so I did that slimy thing and asked a medical professional for free medical advice. I asked the nurse if she thought those were spider bites. She said, no, that it might be MRSA! Yikes! How'd I get that I wondered. She said to see my Doc right away, so went the next day. Of course, couldn't see my Doctor, but a P.A. Nice, but I like others there more. Anyway, she said nope, not MRSA, might be poison Oak, or perhaps Shingles!
My Mom had a terrible case of shingles, all over her upper body, face (Both sides, even though it's supposed to only stay on one side of your body) lots of shooting pain.
So, on steroids and a steroidal cream. But...I just looked at pictures and read about Shingles, and I just don't think I have it!
2 bumps after a week? Itching, but no pain? I do have a mole under my armpit that is hurting all of the sudden, but that's it.
Incredibly long story short, anyone ever have a very mild case of the shingles? I am 42, seems to be a older persons issue...

re: #130 zombie

I don't think so. Geting humans to Mars is tough -- very tough. The required food and oxygen alone for such a long journey would take up the entire payload space, and more.

They've had at least two very workable plans that were drawn up over ten years ago that could have used off-the-shelf technology of that time. I do think what really needs to be done is give more latitude to the private sector.

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

longer service than the entire lifespan of the Albusteve 1...remarkable

re: #119 newsjunkie_ky

Re: the $13 a week stimulus we are supposed to get. What about the people that don't work but are on welfare or SSI or SSDI are they getting any 'stimulus'?

They'll get a $300 dollar check at some point, I guess...won't they?

We're Doomed

re: #142 CyanSnowHawk

IIRC, wasn't the shuttle supposed to be a short term proof of concept prototype that was quickly replaced by a new vehicle that would use all the lessons learned in the design and operation of the original in order to achieve those cost reductions?

I don't know the details but I do recall they had to shit can the original idea of using three orbiters tied together to get one of them to space. The other two were supposed to peel off and return to land. The SRB's were the kluge and the engineers f$%^# up the seals on those. Actually I'll take that back, they knew their limitations but management refused to listen.

re: #149 Russkilitlover

Hey! I'm in Kearny Mesa, too. At least, I work here, live elsewhere.

My office is on the old General Dynamics site.

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

IIRC, most of her gyros have malfunctioned. One more failure would finish her life as a telescope. The repair mission will replace those and swap out some instruments, which it is hoped, will significantly extend her usefulness. This should keep Hubble operational until the James Webb telescope is deployed.

The Hubble gyros were problematic throughout the 90's, but haven't been much trouble since. This servicing mission will install 2 new observational instruments, repair 2 others, and replace a critical data handling unit.

The James Webb Space Telescope will complement Hubble's capabilities, but will not be able to replace them. The JWST observations will occur in the infrared spectrum only. I'm unaware of any instrument under development to replace Hubble's observational capabilities in the visible and UV regions.

The "low-bidder" crap gets old and frankly it's insulting.

I worked for a contractor at a NASA facility (Johnson Space Center) for many years in the '80's and '90's. Contractors AND NASA employees live and breathe the MANNED space program, which means that if you f&ck up, someone dies. We all took that pretty seriously.

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Hell, the USAF is still flying B-52s, designed in 1946.

There's the space shuttle and then there's timeless works of art.

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

Wow. It's as if our current fighter pilots were flying into action in Sopwith Camels.

re: #113 Soona'

When it first started flying, there was no fuel tank foam problem. Those started happening after the greenies and the EPA made them start using an enviromentally friendly foam because they thought the original was too toxic.

Exactly...the original recipe for the external tank foam used CFCs. NASA then changed the recipe to conform with EPA regs, even though they were exempt from doing so, because of the environuts, IIRC.

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Ugh. Dishonest and willfully ignorant just like the creationists.

If a lab guy throws out a embryo is it then murder of a person, manslaughter if one implanted fails to attach ?
What the hell are they thinking ?

re: #137 Russkilitlover

I think that would be a singularly bad idea.

Well, they are not baby whales.

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Wow. It's as if our current fighter pilots were flying into action in Sopwith Camels.

With cruise missiles and smart bombs strapped beneath their wings ;-)

re: #168 Iron Fist

I don't know about that. There's a reason they call them "Big Ugly Fat Fuckers"...

Why are people her always talking about my ex girlfriends like this?!

re: #155 ziggyelman

OT: Anyone here ever have the Shingles? I first thought I had a spider bite on my wrist, then 2 days later I got another "bite" midway up my forearm. They itched. Not terribly, but still annoying. Then, on the day I was going to see a friend in the hospital (Had his lower leg amputated-he's a diabetic :( )
they were starting to ooze, so I did that slimy thing and asked a medical professional for free medical advice. I asked the nurse if she thought those were spider bites. She said, no, that it might be MRSA! Yikes! How'd I get that I wondered. She said to see my Doc right away, so went the next day. Of course, couldn't see my Doctor, but a P.A. Nice, but I like others there more. Anyway, she said nope, not MRSA, might be poison Oak, or perhaps Shingles!
My Mom had a terrible case of shingles, all over her upper body, face (Both sides, even though it's supposed to only stay on one side of your body) lots of shooting pain.
So, on steroids and a steroidal cream. But...I just looked at pictures and read about Shingles, and I just don't think I have it!
2 bumps after a week? Itching, but no pain? I do have a mole under my armpit that is hurting all of the sudden, but that's it.
Incredibly long story short, anyone ever have a very mild case of the shingles? I am 42, seems to be a older persons issue...

Oh God, I hope it's not syphillis. :p

re: #153 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

re: #161 CyanSnowHawk

We should do lunch, sometime.

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

I really hope that they keep them flying for 100 years!

re: #152 Occasional Reader

No, I must have missed the Fart Thread.

Ok that comment may mean I'm being childish, but at any rate here it is again

re: #131 Iron Fist

the idea of her honoring eight women on International Women's Day

She's damn ambitious, I'll give her that.

I came fairly close (I think) to a foursome with these three Korean girls I met in Florence, but EIGHT?

I've got two bucks on Russkilitlover and Cyan working in adjacent cubicles

re: #130 zombie

I don't think so. Geting humans to Mars is tough -- very tough. The required food and oxygen alone for such a long journey would take up the entire payload space, and more.

Bone mass loss, muscle loss, and radiation exposure are three more big hitters. Creatures that evolved on Earth are not suited to hard vacuum.

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

Maybe we aren't so much expecting to use 94 yr-old technology as the B-52s were just 100 years ahead of their time. ;-)

re: #168 Iron Fist

I don't know about that. There's a reason they call them "Big Ugly Fat Fuckers"...

As opposed to the A-7: the "Short Little Ugly F*cker"

re: #152 Occasional Reader

No, I must have missed the Fart Thread.

Did they mention is was a fake Iphone app fart fest ?
The first, edited version fooled me, but the YouTube original told the tale.

re: #176 Occasional Reader

She's damn ambitious, I'll give her that.

I came fairly close (I think) to a foursome with these three Korean girls I met in Florence, but EIGHT?

I was happy with the 2 Japanese girls in Tokyo. Anything more is just bragging.

re: #175 turn

Ok that comment may mean I'm being childish, but at any rate here it is again

Youtube Video

Sorry if it came across that way... I am the last Lizard to accuse any of being childish! And if you don't believe me, I'll post another Adriana Lima pic.

Gas leaks scare the hell out of me. And last week, my brother walked out of a popular restaurant in MT after breakfast, and five minutes later, it blew up.
Gas leak.

re: #167 avanti

re: #167 avanti

If a lab guy throws out a embryo is it then murder of a person, manslaughter if one implanted fails to attach ?
What the hell are they thinking ?

Fertility doctors will have to move out of state and biotech firms will shut down. I guess that's ok because schools in states all want to teach creationism instead of science. They just won't have the workforce to support those jobs anyways. Idiots.

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Hell, the USAF is still flying B-52s, designed in 1946.

Unless I am mistaken, there have been cases where son, father, and grandfather have all served on the same B-52 during their respective hitches.

Or that may just be one of those stories that are just too good to check into.

re: #179 Silhouette

Maybe we aren't so much expecting to use 94 yr-old technology as the B-52s were just 100 years ahead of their time. ;-)

Well...I suspect all that's left of the originals is the air frame. Everything else has been upgraded about umpty-ump times (that's an approximation).

Sea kitten slaughter

re: #157 albusteve

longer service than the entire lifespan of the Albusteve 1...remarkable

Yeah, but they don't fly as heavily loaded!

/ducking

re: #162 Opilio

The Hubble gyros were problematic throughout the 90's, but haven't been much trouble since. This servicing mission will install 2 new observational instruments, repair 2 others, and replace a critical data handling unit.

The James Webb Space Telescope will complement Hubble's capabilities, but will not be able to replace them. The JWST observations will occur in the infrared spectrum only. I'm unaware of any instrument under development to replace Hubble's observational capabilities in the visible and UV regions.

8-meter and larger ground-based scopes with active optics, now equal the Hubble in the visible range. In the UV, not so much, but there's more of interest in the infra-red anyway - fortunately, since it's easier to focus.

If we can ever get optical interferometry working for images, well, that might be the next generation of space-based optical scopes - two four-foot mirrors, flying kilometers apart! Well, actually, those might be infrared too, but maybe.

re: #155 ziggyelman

I've seen other people get them, in both cases it was way worse than what you describe. I believe the shingles virus is related to chicken pox, have you ever had chicken pox?

re: #164 Soona'

There's the space shuttle and then there's timeless works of art.

Simply awe inspiring beauty.

re: #167 avanti

If a lab guy throws out a embryo is it then murder of a person, manslaughter if one implanted fails to attach ?
What the hell are they thinking ?

"Don't waste the sperm"
//monty python off

re: #184 Iron Fist

Ypou're married now, or I'd tell you a nice place to go just south of Reno. Expensive, but nice...

Hell, no. I've seen those Showtime "reality" shows. Much better deals available in other countries. Er... so I'm told.

re: #175 turn

Ok that comment may mean I'm being childish, but at any rate here it is again

very childish, and funny! ;) My 77 year old Father turns into a giggling 6 year old with this kind of stuff, he will get a kick out of it for sure!

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Sea kitten slaughter

Did I see some penguins in there?

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Wow. It's as if our current fighter pilots were flying into action in Sopwith Camels.

Sopwith Camels with the latest avionics and engines. There is little resemblance between a B-52 made in '46 and the latest generation, aside from the airframe.

OTOH, it is reported that Obama is looking to delay procurement of the new tanker fleet and to outright cancel plans for a new long range bomber according to three sources close to the discussions. This comes from the Congressional Quarterly, reported by Josh Rogin.

re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've got two bucks on Russkilitlover and Cyan working in adjacent cubicles

Ahem...'scuse me while I go take a little walk around the office...

re: #155 ziggyelman

OT: Anyone here ever have the Shingles?

My daughter had them but talked about her "skin hurting" for about two days before the breakout. Do you have pain?

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Sea kitten slaughter

Let's start a Save The Fish / Slaughter the Whales movement.

re: #155 ziggyelman

Shingles isn't the horror it used to be, if you catch it early they give you an antiviral and you're back at work in days, scratching a little but not in agony. Haven't had it personnally, but seen a couple of others who have.

Doesn't sound like what you have, but I ain't no doctor and it's hard to tell on a newsgroup anyway so of course the advice is to get it checked out.

Anyone see the headline at Drudge about the robot that smiled and scolded a classroom. Is it just me or does that robot look like a young Nancy Pelosi. Probably scared those poor Japanese kids to death.

re: #199 Russkilitlover

Ahem...'scuse me while I go take a little walk around the office...

heh.

re: #201 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's start a Save The Fish / Slaughter the Whales movement.

I did not know you were Japanese.

/

re: #176 Occasional Reader

She's damn ambitious, I'll give her that.

I came fairly close (I think) to a foursome with these three Korean girls I met in Florence, but EIGHT?

A bigger group means that when they draw straws as to who has to go to Hill's room they'll have a better chance of not having to.

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Sorry if it came across that way... I am the last Lizard to accuse any of being childish! And if you don't believe me, I'll post another Adriana Lima pic.

Ha! Prove it ...
/

re: #195 Occasional Reader

Hell, no. I've seen those Showtime "reality" shows. Much better deals available in other countries. Er... so I'm told.

Well, as the lucky fellow chosen to judge the oral sex abilities of the cheerleading squad said, "Ladies, I'm afraid I haven't enough data to make an informed decision. Let's run those numbers once more."

re: #197 OldLineTexan

Did I see some penguins in there?

Penguins add crunch!

re: #150 eschew_obfuscation

... and, I'm told, are expected to be in service until 2040!

The last production aircraft, B-52H AF Serial No. 61-0040, left the factory on 26 October 1962.

The newest B-52 is 47 years old. I wonder how many of its parts are still original.

re: #205 OldLineTexan

I did not know you were Japanese.

/

Only while I'm watching a Toshiro Mifune flick.

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Penguins add crunch!

And they're fish-fed, for that double fishy-goodness.

re: #187 razorbacker

Unless I am mistaken, there have been cases where son, father, and grandfather have all served on the same B-52 during their respective hitches.

Or that may just be one of those stories that are just too good to check into.

It's possible.

re: #212 OldLineTexan

And they're fish-fed, for that double fishy-goodness.

what's his name stranded at the S Pole said they were nearly unedible

re: #155 ziggyelman

Just throwing this out there, could it be psoriasis?

re: #207 turn

Ha! Prove it ...
/

Don't say you weren't warned.

re: #194 Soona'

"Don't waste the sperm"
//monty python off

God will get quite irate.

re: #214 albusteve

what's his name stranded at the S Pole said they were nearly unedible

Shackleton?

re: #194 Soona'

"Don't waste the sperm"
//monty python off

If you do, it's petty murder.

re: #211 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Only while I'm watching a Toshiro Mifune flick.

Would have been a much cooler Obi wan

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Don't say you weren't warned.

what's wrong with her lips?

re: #196 ziggyelman

That cracked me up too for some reason, the part where she tried to keep a straight face and the guy laughed and squeaked out another one was hilarious.

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

Just throwing this out there, could it be psoriasis?

That would be heartbreaking.

re: #214 albusteve

what's his name stranded at the S Pole said they were nearly unedible

Really? Sailors used to eat them. I can't imagine a sailor on a ship with at least a chance of catching fish is pickier than a guy stranded inland.

re: #222 albusteve

what's wrong with her lips?

That's a sexy pout.
*sheesh*

re: #182 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I was happy with the 2 Japanese girls in Tokyo. Anything more is just bragging.

Turning Japanese? I think you're turning Japanese? I really think so.

re: #219 Occasional Reader

Shackleton?

yes...he said penguins were fowl tasting

re: #222 albusteve

what's wrong with her lips?

Um... they're full, pouty and sexy?

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Don't say you weren't warned.

That poor child seems to have some type of spinal curvature problems.

Perhaps some on-hands effort and a bit of gentle exercise might be called for?

re: #223 turn

That cracked me up too for some reason, the part where she tried to keep a straight face and the guy laughed and squeaked out another one was hilarious.

Here's the long version, my kid has Ifart on his phone.

Here is a Whale tale for you... on going right at this moment. A Chatham fisherman, freed a humpback whale from his fishing gear. He saved the whales life. He has been charged by the feds with harassing and HARVESTING the whale.
The whale happily swam off after the fisherman, a personal friend of mine, saved its life at great risk to his own. He faces a year in prison.
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]

re: #226 J.D.

That's a sexy pout.
*sheesh*

oh...I never saw one as I recall

re: #227 Occasional Reader

Turning Japanese? I think you're turning Japanese? I really think so.

That's the second one this thread alone.

I propose you and I journey to Tokyo immediately to study this issue first-hand. Someone has to be willing to take one for the team.

re: #228 albusteve

yes...he said penguins were fowl tasting

You're not supposed to eat the waiters.

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Don't say you weren't warned.

gulp

The B-52 Stratofortress

"Future" is about 1/3 of the way down the page as are "Upgrades"

re: #198 CyanSnowHawk

Sopwith Camels with the latest avionics and engines. There is little resemblance between a B-52 made in '46 and the latest generation, aside from the airframe.

OTOH, it is reported that Obama is looking to delay procurement of the new tanker fleet and to outright cancel plans for a new long range bomber according to three sources close to the discussions. This comes from the Congressional Quarterly, reported by Josh Rogin.

No, really? Well, knock me over with a feather!

/

re: #227 Occasional Reader

Turning Japanese? I think you're turning Japanese? I really think so.

Everyone around me is a total stranger
Everyone avoids me like a cyclone ranger

re: #230 razorbacker

That poor child seems to have some type of spinal curvature problems.

Perhaps some on-hands effort and a bit of gentle exercise might be called for?

"Hey Butt-Head! What's wrong with her back? It's all, like, crooked & stuff."
"Beavis, you dumbass. That means she's hot."

re: #214 albusteve

what's his name stranded at the S Pole said they were nearly unedible

Yeah. I've quoted what's-his-name many times. Best authority on anything I've ever written about.
//:)

re: #232 CapeCoddah

Insanity.

re: #233 albusteve

oh...I never saw one as I recall

Oh, come on!

re: #222 albusteve

what's wrong with her lips?

cold sore

Turks protest removal of Darwin article from state-run magazine

Gobble gobble.

re: #225 OldLineTexan

Really? Sailors used to eat them. I can't imagine a sailor on a ship with at least a chance of catching fish is pickier than a guy stranded inland.

I did read that...all his men agreed...I'll find a link someday

re: #234 OldLineTexan

That's the second one this thread alone.

I propose you and I journey to Tokyo immediately to study this issue first-hand. Someone has to be willing to take one for the team.

You'll come up with the cover story for my wife?

re: #231 avanti

There's more? I didn't know that.

re: #232 CapeCoddah

Too many lawyers.

/apologies to the good ones

re: #221 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Would have been a much cooler Obi wan

I agree.

He did speak Engish, though apparently not exceptionally well.
Paper Tiger, with David Niven, 1975

re: #248 Occasional Reader

You'll come up with the cover story for my wife?

Ransom notes are easy to produce with limited resources. Yeah, I can help with that.

re: #234 OldLineTexan

That's the second one this thread alone.

I propose you and I journey to Tokyo immediately to study this issue first-hand. Someone has to be willing to take one for the team.

Shinjuku and Roppongi districts are where you need to head.

re: #245 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

cold sore

she should be in a hospital...her lip has like elephantitis

re: #247 albusteve

I did read that...all his men agreed...I'll find a link someday

Remember, these were Englishmen. They didn't know how to cook anything.

re: #246 Ben Hur

It's like the country's run by Republicans or something.

re: #192 turn

Shingles virus is the same virus that causes chicken pox, varicella zoster... reactivated. You can't get shingles unless you have had chicken pox... the original virus does not go away, but hides in a nerve ganglion and reemerges as shingles. It can be really minor, or life threatening.

re: #243 Occasional Reader

Insanity.

Yes, it is just exactly that.

re: #242 Soona'

Yeah. I've quoted what's-his-name many times. Best authority on anything I've ever written about.
//:)

very handy source eh?

re: #254 albusteve

she should be in a hospital...her lip has like elephantitis

Is Albuquerque full of skinny-lipped women? Something about the dry heat?