Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 11:11 pm PDT • Views: 155

You don’t have to be a fantastic hero to do certain things — to compete. You can be just an ordinary chap, sufficiently motivated.

— Edmund Hillary

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1 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:12:27pm

Peek-a-boo!

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:14:52pm

I see you!

3 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:15:51pm

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

Special day today. It is lol Birthday. Please ding her up at fruitcup time. She wants to be #1 in the comments for today.

4 Karagush  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:15:53pm

you know. tonight comment is SOOO true. You just gotta find that one thing to make you fight. The it's ON, and theres nothing a person cant do.

5 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:17:39pm

The news is talking about Octomom bringing home 2 of the 8 kids today.

Every time I hear the phrase "Octomom", I think of this:

Google Video
6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:17:45pm

Fine words. If more Englishmen could live by those words, England would be saved.

7 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:18:07pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

What do you teach?

8 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:18:53pm

re: #3 Erik The Red

Yeah, going to have to find that link I had already for fruitcup time. Get something real special for the bearer of teh fruitcup.

/no redcc4, not you.

9 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:19:45pm

re: #8 BlueCanuck

Yeah, going to have to find that link I had already for fruitcup time. Get something real special for the bearer of teh fruitcup.

/no redcc4, not you.

I am also trying to find something for her

10 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:19:49pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Fine words. If more Englishmen could live by those words, England would be saved.

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle."
-Winston Churchill

"Can we get rid of this thing?"
-Barack 0bama, referring to the bust of Winston Churchill

11 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:20:28pm

re: #3 Erik The Red

I'll probably have to set my clock. LOL I only made it for fruitcup once.

12 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:21:31pm

Somewhere in my little bundle of small denominated banknotes from foreign countries I've been to is a NZ$5 bill with Sir Edmund Hillary's likeness on it.

Quite the accomlished man- even Hillary Clinton went nameless for the first few years of her life so that she could be named after him after scaling Everest.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:21:40pm

re: #7 HelloDare

What do you teach?

English, to high schoolers. Used to teach ESL, then middle school English, and then last year I also taught a Modern World History class. (I was the one caught encouraging the kids to dig up the school grounds to build tiny trenches. I love the First World War.)

14 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:21:50pm

re: #5 gmsc

The news is talking about Octomom bringing home 2 of the 8 kids today.

Every time I hear the phrase "Octomom", I think of this:



Or she could be the new wife of Doctor Octopus (from Spiderman).

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:22:00pm

re: #10 gmsc

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle."
-Winston Churchill

"Can we get rid of this thing?"
-Barack 0bama, referring to the bust of Winston Churchill

I wonder how Obama can even have a bust of Lincoln in his office. Like Lincoln, Churchill was a better man than Obama can ever hope to be.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:23:14pm

I did get the president of the gardening club's permission. And I promised to remove all mines and barbed wire when we were done.

Then again, this was the rotten kid who taught the other rotten kids to blow up soda bottles, so why I was promising to police MY brass I don't know.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:24:16pm

re: #14 Cygnus

Or she could be the new wife of Doctor Octopus (from Spiderman).

Doc Ock probably has the money to raise them all. And they would look cute, one each cradled in a mechanical tentacle.

18 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:24:31pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Trenches? No liability problem there. /

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:26:34pm

re: #18 HelloDare

Trenches? No liability problem there. /

Little ones. With popsicle-stick duckboards.

We also dug a stuffed tiger sized tiger pit when we read "The Most Dangerous Game".

I can't get away with that this year. The head of phys plant would kill me, in a very gentlemanly way, but he'd go nuts.

20 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:27:24pm

re: #3 Erik The Red

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

Special day today. It is lol Birthday. Please ding her up at fruitcup time. She wants to be #1 in the comments for today.

who is "lol"?

21 Racer X  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:27:50pm

My new wallpaper.

EA-18G Growler

Click it to enlarge.

22 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:28:41pm

re: #21 Racer X

404 error

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:28:58pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Doc Ock probably has the money to raise them all. And they would look cute, one each cradled in a mechanical tentacle.

My husband has just pointed out that Doc Ock has only four tentacles, and that two of the eight limbs are his legs.

Quote: "You should really ask your husband about all things comic book related before making wild accusations..."

24 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:29:17pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

I wonder how Obama can even have a bust of Lincoln in his office. Like Lincoln, Churchill was a better man than Obama can ever hope to be.

Here's a few Lincoln quotes that you just can't see 0bama paying attention to:

Avoid popularity if you would have peace.

How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.

I walk slowly, but I never walk backward.

No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.

No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent.

There is another old poet whose name I do not now remember who said, "Truth is the daughter of Time."

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.

25 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:29:27pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Does he live in a shack on the grounds and have a thick scottish accent?

26 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:29:48pm

re: #20 redc1c4

who is "lol"?

Come on red be nice to her today///

27 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:31:35pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

There was a very gruesome video posted earlier today of the WWII Churchill Crocodile Flame Tank. It's in the Top Rated Spinoff Links.

28 sanfranciscozionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:33:05pm

re: #25 Fenway_Nation

Does he live in a shack on the grounds and have a thick scottish accent?

No, he has a Mexican mustache and a charming manner. Also, he dresses much better than Willah'. But he takes his grounds pretty seriously.

29 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:33:59pm

re: #21 Racer X

My new wallpaper.

EA-18G Growler

Click it to enlarge.

the Obanal budget cutbacks have struck already: "Not Found"

30 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:35:01pm

Good stuff on HotAir tonight:

But Cowen was 20 seconds into his second address when it dawned on him that he was giving word for word the speech that Obama had just read from the same teleprompter.

Cowen stopped and looked back at the president to say, “That’s your speech.”

Irish PM trips over Obama's teleprompter

31 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:35:32pm

re: #26 Erik The Red

Come on red be nice to her today///

no problem: but today is almost over...

/white smoke

32 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:36:29pm

re: #30 capitalist piglet

Good stuff on HotAir tonight:

Irish PM trips over Obama's teleprompter

And yet, somehow, I still won't hold my breath for the moment Comedy Central produces Lil' 0bama.

33 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:36:37pm

Saw itellu3times' link to No Oil for Pacifists. It's worth a read. Barack Obama of Chicago will get along just fine with Unionist like these.

And with that, I did you all good night.

34 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:36:59pm

re: #27 HelloDare

OMG "Hobart's funnies"?

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:37:00pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Saw itellu3times' link to No Oil for Pacifists. It's worth a read. Barack Obama of Chicago will get along just fine with Unionist like these.

And with that, I did you all good night.

Good night.

36 BakaRanger  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:37:26pm

No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.


Unless he has a teleprompter...

37 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:38:45pm

re: #32 gmsc

And yet, somehow, I still won't hold my breath for the moment Comedy Central produces Lil' 0bama.

I'd be satisfied if a single late-night comedian picked this up. Of course, they'll make fun of Cowen, not Obama, so it's a realistic hope.

38 Idle Drifter  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:39:51pm

I just got back from watching the Watchmen. I can say without a doubt that was $20 ill spent. They change so much of the plot from the original threw in every single L^3 talking point such as evil capitalism, socialism isn't bad, oil bad, nuclear energy bad, etc, etc, etc. I actually read the original graphic novel, aka big F***ing comic book, I can understand shortening everything to squeeze into 2 1/2 hours but throwing in whole scenes that never occurred in the original to make political points took every once of my being from screaming F-bombs through the entire movie. Overall, the movie's openning credits shoveled in crap that never occur in the original, plot was twist or change completely and the only part of the story and characters they kept somewhat intact involved the Comedian and Rorschach.

39 Idle Drifter  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:40:32pm

re: #21 Racer X

404 not found

40 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:41:21pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon
"And with that, I did you all good night."

Didn't know I'd been had. LOL

Goodnight :-) Sweet dreams.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:42:32pm

The tree-sitter injured in the West Bank is breathing on his own.

One of the commentors on Ynet has suggested that he go to Chechnya if he's such a hero.

42 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:42:33pm

re: #30 capitalist piglet

Good stuff on HotAir tonight:


Irish PM trips over Obama's teleprompter

"Oh - Never mind."

43 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:42:58pm

The imagery in this headline is PERFECT! Oh, and the article isn't bad, either.

Democrats fiddle while America burns

As the economy continues its downward spiral and hundreds of thousands join the ranks of the unemployed, Americans may rest easy knowing that our elected officials are hard at work on our behalf. President Obama took time out from pushing his massive spending and tax increase package to announce his new focus on health care, accidentally 'mischaracterizing' the data, but making clear the government's intention to start tackling this new 'crisis'.

One of the government's first acts was to close down a New York doctor who had the audacity to propose a private market solution by offering uninsured patients a $79 flat fee for medical services, focusing instead on the government's innovative Healthy Penis campaign, recently launched in San Francisco. (It pays for staffers walk around in giant penis costumes to promote syphilis testing)

44 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:43:00pm

There's a Bruno movie (Sacha Baron Cohen), and Ron Paul is going to be in it? I CAN'T WAIT. Coming in July!

45 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:43:17pm

re: #38 Idle Drifter

I just got back from watching the Watchmen. I can say without a doubt that was $20 ill spent. They change so much of the plot from the original threw in every single L^3 talking point such as evil capitalism, socialism isn't bad, oil bad, nuclear energy bad, etc, etc, etc. I actually read the original graphic novel, aka big F***ing comic book, I can understand shortening everything to squeeze into 2 1/2 hours but throwing in whole scenes that never occurred in the original to make political points took every once of my being from screaming F-bombs through the entire movie. Overall, the movie's openning credits shoveled in crap that never occur in the original, plot was twist or change completely and the only part of the story and characters they kept somewhat intact involved the Comedian and Rorschach.

thanks. we'd been minorly kicking around the idea of seeing it, but that kills it deader than progress under Ear Leader...

with parking and refreshments, that's 3 extra boxes of 30.06 in the stash!

46 Ateam  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:43:26pm

Having breakfast at market place (scramble eggs, salad, creamer cheese, and of course - fruit cup) I reckon the fact no one around knowing Mr. Winston Churchill remarks on daily life. It's made me sad (only for one second as continuing zipping fresh strawberries juice).

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:44:14pm

re: #44 capitalist piglet

There's a Bruno movie (Sacha Baron Cohen), and Ron Paul is going to be in it? I CAN'T WAIT. Coming in July!

I'm still recovering emotionally from Borat.

48 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:46:45pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

OK but I just posted the top-level link from some previous messages.

Great name, great phrase.

49 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:46:46pm

re: #44 capitalist piglet

There's a Bruno movie (Sacha Baron Cohen), and Ron Paul is going to be in it? I CAN'T WAIT. Coming in July!

i can't imagine going to see anything by him, even if i was paid to attend.

50 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:47:40pm

re: #44 capitalist piglet

There's a Bruno movie (Sacha Baron Cohen), and Ron Paul is going to be in it? I CAN'T WAIT. Coming in July!

Earlier tonight, I posted a link to a story about it. Here it is:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:49:30pm

True story: I'm in the middle of a lecture about the Soviet Union. I'm somewhere in the middle of Stalin starving everyone to death when a hand goes up. "Yeah, Hippiekid?"

"Mrs. Zionist, can I ask you something?"

"Sure, we are in class after all."

"Why don't we learn about Kazhakstan?" (snicker, from him, and next to him, LittleGothGirl, his girlfriend.

Long pause, while my brain catches up. "Hippiekid, all I know about Kazhakstan is that it is the best country in the world, and all other nations are ruled by little girls."

Total silence. "Uh, Mrs. Zionist, you saw Borat?

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:51:04pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm still recovering emotionally from Borat.

Although I have to say, that was a movie that made the American people look incredibly good, under extreme provocation.

53 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:52:28pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm still recovering emotionally from Borat.

I could watch that movie over and over, and laugh like a hyena each and every time.

I love Bruno. This is going to be a scream.

Bruno tells Paul to make himself comfortable. Paul sits down on the bed. Bruno turns on some music and starts dancing. Paul is visibly uneasy but doesn't say anything at first. He picks up a newspaper and pretends to read it. "You can tell at each weird gay detail, he [chalks] it up to, This guy is European," says one of the attendees.

54 Idle Drifter  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:52:47pm

re: #45 redc1c4

I suggest reading the Watchmen, President Nixon had more screen time in the movie than he had in the book.

55 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:53:22pm

re: #50 HelloDare

Earlier tonight, I posted a link to a story about it. Here it is:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

That's the one I'm looking at now - thanks! (I wasn't around earlier so I missed your link. GREAT STUFF.)

56 gmsc  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:54:05pm

"Be it ever so crumbly, there's no place like Capitol dome.
0bama, he was the president, and the White House was his home.
But he liked to socially engineer and for a crisis yearned;
So, he set the markets afire and fiddled while they burned."
(Apologies to Bugs Bunny in Upswept Hare)

57 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:54:15pm

re: #49 redc1c4

i can't imagine going to see anything by him, even if i was paid to attend.

Well, he's not for everybody I guess. I love him, but I've seen lots of comments from others that they can't stand him.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:55:12pm

re: #53 capitalist piglet

I laughed when I saw it. I couldn't help it. Especially the part where the bear scares the kids away from the ice cream truck. And the hideous naked wrestling scene. But I can't see paying money to go through that again.

I did love Iowahawk's bit, where the jihadi who likes Ali G. finds out what Ali's real name is.

59 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:58:01pm

re: #54 Idle Drifter

I suggest reading the Watchmen, President Nixon had more screen time in the movie than he had in the book.

i don't care enough to care... the only movie we've bothered to go see in the last few years, since the last LOTR episode, was Gran Torino. it was better than LOTR.

hollywood makes crap, and then wonders why no one goes to see their product. every time someone is shooting in the area, and they are always shooting, i cruise by, and ask them out the window, "Can't you film in Canada instead?"

they hate that. %-)

60 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 17, 2009 11:58:57pm

re: #57 capitalist piglet

Well, he's not for everybody I guess. I love him, but I've seen lots of comments from others that they can't stand him.

he may be funny, but i'll never know. i find his premise repulsive.

61 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:02:01am

re: #59 redc1c4

Poor Canada...first they're stuck with our draft-dodgers and now we're dumping the Hollywierd crowd up there...

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:02:39am

Another comment on Ynet;

I'm left wing and this makes me appalled to be so...

because if Mr. Anderson were truly left wing he'd have more sympathy towards the hundreds of other injustices around the world far worse than the Wall.

To all international bigots of Israel, go protest the inequality and injustice in the rest of the middle east countries, northern Africa(where doctors have have had to flee!), Sri Lanka, Bolivia, Georgia, etc. and then question if the IDF was using excessive force. Oh wait...you'll be dead by then.

Aaron , SF, USA (03.16.09)

63 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:03:08am

Today in History, March 18th:
littleoldlady was born today! Happy Birthday!

In honor of this event, here's a littleoldlady tribute, by one of her favorite celebrities:

Youtube Video
64 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:03:37am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

Poor Canada...first they're stuck with our draft-dodgers and now we're dumping the Hollywierd crowd up there...

If they don't want draft-dodgers and Hollywood types, they should learn to pronounce the word 'about' and stop having those floppy heads.

65 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:05:14am

re: #63 gmsc

Today in History, March 18th:
littleoldlady was born today! Happy Birthday!

In honor of this event, here's a littleoldlady tribute, by one of her favorite celebrities:

[Video]

are you sure "born" is the right term?

i heard she was inflicted...

/white smoke

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:08:10am

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

Poor Canada...first they're stuck with our draft-dodgers and now we're dumping the Hollywierd crowd up there...

Speaking of Canada, wonder where Blue is? Maybe he has the night off.

67 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:10:22am

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

I think he updinged one of my posts earlier- so he was around at one point...

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:12:26am

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

I think he updinged one of my posts earlier- so he was around at one point...

Maybe he is getting the birthday fruitcup together.

69 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:14:53am

re: #68 Pvt Bin Jammin

Maybe he is getting the birthday fruitcup together.

he's trying to figure out which one i haven't *improved*...

/waste of time

70 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:14:59am

re: #68 Pvt Bin Jammin

Maybe he is getting the birthday fruitcup together.

Could be...might be something work-related, too..

71 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:15:30am

Because “Free” Is One Letter Away From “Fee”
TECH SUPPORT %P% VIRGINIA, USA

Me: “Thank you for calling tech support. May I help you?”

Customer: “How do you fix Debian?”

Me: “Depends on what the problem is. What are some of the issues you’re having?”

Customer: “I paid $700 for it! It should work PERFECTLY!”

Me: “Ma’am, Debian is free. If you paid $700 for it, all that means is that you’re an idiot.”

Customer: “Really?”

Me: “Yep. Anything else I can do for you?”

Customer: *click*

72 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:17:55am

More mis-adventures with the detestable 1994 Chevrolet Beretta, and still more reason that I will never, ever own another GM car or support that blight on America in any way.

Last week I described how it is that replacing a 2 dollar flasher was a 2 hour, $100+ job if you take it to a mechanic, and how I defeated GM's diabolical anti-DYI engineering with a hacksaw and a Dremel tool.

This week they got the best of me. I set out to replace the front brake pads on the little pig, a fairly simple job on most cars and (in fact) on older Chevrolets. I had only to remove the caliper housing, replace the pads, and it was done. This requires a special socket that cost about 5 bucks, which was not a big problem. Alas, the bolts that hold the housing on proved to be immovable by any force that would not also break my strongest ratchet. I finally took it to a mechanic who broke the bolts loose with a monstrous air-driven impact wrench. How much torque did it take? 280 foot pounds, normally what you would use to loosen the flywheel on a locomotive. This is why the cars are so shoddily engineered, their engineers spend all their time figuring out ways to keep people from repairing the damned things themselves.

73 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:20:38am

re: #69 redc1c4

he's trying to figure out which one i haven't *improved*...

/waste of time

I thought I had some pretty good ones. That vanilla vodka has gone far. LOL

BBL I am seriously going to set a clock and come back here. I seriously don't know if an alarm clock wakes you up in an hour and a half (will probably go off tomorrow afternoon), so if not, tell lol Happy Birthday!

74 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:21:13am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

The tree-sitter injured in the West Bank is breathing on his own.

Now if he could only think on his own.

75 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:24:33am

Literary Emergency
BOOKSTORE %P% NEW JERSEY, USA

(During a busy day right before Christmas, a woman comes up to my register, cutting the entire line, and slaps a gift card down on the counter.)

Customer: “I need fifty dollars on this gift card.”

Me: “I’m sorry, ma’am, but there is a line and I’m afraid you’ll have to wait.”

Customer: “No.”

Me: “Excuse me?” ‘

Customer: “I’ve been waiting here before any of these people got here! I NEED THIS GIFT CARD NOW!”

Me: “I’m sorry ma’am, but I just can’t do that. You’ll have to wait like everyone else.”

Customer: “Now you’re just pretending you didn’t see me just so you can be a little b*** and tell me no! I want to speak to your manager!”

Me: “Ma’am, there’s no need to yell. I was busy with customers and didn’t see you standing there. I apologize for that, but I really must ask you to wait in line.”

Customer: “NO! You little b***! You don’t understand! I am a nurse! This is for a patient!”

Me: “My answer won’t change.”

Customer: “This is for a patient! It’s Christmas! Don’t you have a f*** heart?! Where is your Christmas spirit?!”

Me: “I’m Jewish.”

Customer: “Put fifty dollars on this gift card before I get you fired! This is for a patient and he is dying! I need it now!”

Me: “…if he’s dying, what the h*** is he going to do with a gift card?”

(She stalked off angrily when she saw not only my manager, but the police coming towards her. By the way, I got a raise after that.)

76 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:27:09am

You know, I'm really getting irritated at people spouting off on the TV that have absolutely no idea what the difference is between an enemy combatant and an illegal combatant.

/then again, the Government doesn't seem to either and hasn't for several years

77 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:27:15am

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel

More mis-adventures with the detestable 1994 Chevrolet Beretta, and still more reason that I will never, ever own another GM car or support that blight on America in any way.

Last week I described how it is that replacing a 2 dollar flasher was a 2 hour, $100+ job if you take it to a mechanic, and how I defeated GM's diabolical anti-DYI engineering with a hacksaw and a Dremel tool.

This week they got the best of me. I set out to replace the front brake pads on the little pig, a fairly simple job on most cars and (in fact) on older Chevrolets. I had only to remove the caliper housing, replace the pads, and it was done. This requires a special socket that cost about 5 bucks, which was not a big problem. Alas, the bolts that hold the housing on proved to be immovable by any force that would not also break my strongest ratchet. I finally took it to a mechanic who broke the bolts loose with a monstrous air-driven impact wrench. How much torque did it take? 280 foot pounds, normally what you would use to loosen the flywheel on a locomotive. This is why the cars are so shoddily engineered, their engineers spend all their time figuring out ways to keep people from repairing the damned things themselves.

no argument here. we have been kicking around the idea of getting a full size truck, just because HRH thinks we should have one. (who am i to argue?), and were looking at Ford, since they *didn't* take funds...

then i saw this article.

fuck them all. i hope they all go under. we'll buy a beater you can still w*rk on, and that doesn't have to be smogged every year.

78 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:27:29am

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am here, got distracted with work and chatting with someone. Just low key right at the moment.

79 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:28:12am

That’s One Small Kneeprint For Man
RETAIL %P% TORONTO, CANADA

(I was in a record store and I overheard this conversation.)

Customer: “Hi, I’m looking for a gift for my dad. He likes jazz - who do you recommend?”

Clerk: “Well, Louis Armstrong is pretty popular.”

Customer: “Louis Armstrong? Isn’t he the astronaut? He’s like the first guy to walk on the moon.”

Clerk: “No, no, you’re thinking Neil.”

Customer: “Fine, whatever, the first guy to kneel on the moon.”

80 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:31:46am

One way for the citizens of this country to regain some power in Washington, or at least be listened to from time to time by their elected officials: get rid of the "my guy" syndrome, as in: Congress' approval ratings are in the single digit range, but the bastards keep getting reelected. Some of it that they've stacked the deck in the incumbent's favor, but a lot of it is the usual voter's attitude of "all the members of Congress suck, except for my guy". Hence, "my guy" syndrome. People have to realize that their guy sucks just as much as the rest of them do, maybe even more. They all need to be shitcanned, and the new guys have to be told that they have one term to get things going in the right direction, or they'll be shitcanned, and it'll be someone else's turn. Right now, the politicians in D.C. hold the voting public in the same disdain that Muslim terrorists held the American government back in the 90's: they know we talk a good game, but when it comes right down to it, we do nothing; therefore the same guys end up back in Washington, further disconnected from the people that send them there. Well, like GWB got the terrorists to back off by actually hunting them down after 9/11, showing that he wasn't all talk and no action, so must the voters of this country show the D.C. dipshits that we're serious, and get rid of all of them. That's the only way they'll realize that they're there to serve us, and not the other way around.

81 sngnsgt  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:31:50am

> Is It NBA Or NFL?
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> 36 have been accused of spousal abuse
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> 7 have been arrested for fraud
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> 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
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> 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
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> bankrupted at least 2 businesses
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> 3 have done time for assault
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> 71, repeat 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
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14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
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> 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
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> 21 currently are defendants in lawsuits, and
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> 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year
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> Can you guess which organization this is?
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> Give up yet? . Scroll down,
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> Neither, it's the 435 members of the United States Congress
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> The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.
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82 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:34:03am

re: #80 I Need A Bigger Gun

One way for the citizens of this country to regain some power in Washington, or at least be listened to from time to time by their elected officials: get rid of the "my guy" syndrome, as in: Congress' approval ratings are in the single digit range, but the bastards keep getting reelected. Some of it that they've stacked the deck in the incumbent's favor, but a lot of it is the usual voter's attitude of "all the members of Congress suck, except for my guy". Hence, "my guy" syndrome. People have to realize that their guy sucks just as much as the rest of them do, maybe even more. They all need to be shitcanned, and the new guys have to be told that they have one term to get things going in the right direction, or they'll be shitcanned, and it'll be someone else's turn. Right now, the politicians in D.C. hold the voting public in the same disdain that Muslim terrorists held the American government back in the 90's: they know we talk a good game, but when it comes right down to it, we do nothing; therefore the same guys end up back in Washington, further disconnected from the people that send them there. Well, like GWB got the terrorists to back off by actually hunting them down after 9/11, showing that he wasn't all talk and no action, so must the voters of this country show the D.C. dipshits that we're serious, and get rid of all of them. That's the only way they'll realize that they're there to serve us, and not the other way around.

How can I put this?

83 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:34:24am

re: #78 BlueCanuck

I am here, but kind of fading. Set my clock for the lol birthday.

84 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:36:20am

re: #81 sngnsgt

Neither, it's the 435 members of the United States Congress
>
> The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.
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Snopes: Congress Mend

85 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:36:28am

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel

Boy, could I trade some similar horror stories with you. A few years ago, I came across a 1980 Ford 250 4X4, 8' bed, with a straight 6 under the hood. Snapped it up! Toolbox workable! Put some healthy $$$ into it, both functionally, and cosmetically, and a Fischer 8' snowplow. Now my primary vehicle. Love it, especially since I've found a reliable parts source!

The engineers have done a great job of eliminating the "shade tree mechanics". Fook 'em all!

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:40:12am

re: #79 gmsc

That’s One Small Kneeprint For Man
RETAIL %P% TORONTO, CANADA

(I was in a record store and I overheard this conversation.)

Customer: “Hi, I’m looking for a gift for my dad. He likes jazz - who do you recommend?”

Clerk: “Well, Louis Armstrong is pretty popular.”

Customer: “Louis Armstrong? Isn’t he the astronaut? He’s like the first guy to walk on the moon.”

Clerk: “No, no, you’re thinking Neil.”

Customer: “Fine, whatever, the first guy to kneel on the moon.”

I used to work in insurance. Many years ago:

ME: The insured is "Sojourner Truth Day Care Center".

HER: I'm sorry, what is it called?

ME: Sojourner Truth Day Care Center. It's in Whoozitville, GA.

HER: OK, so the number is blah blah, and the name is...Soldier of Truth Day Care Center?

ME: No, Sojourner Truth. S-O-J-O-U-R-N-E-R.

HER: Sojourner of Truth?

ME, GETTING HYSTERICAL: No. NO! Sojourner Truth! Sojourner Truth! "Ain't I a woman?" THAT Sojourner Truth!

HER, SOUNDING SCARED: WHAT?

ME: I'll fax it over.

87 sngnsgt  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:40:44am

re: #84 gmsc

I dunno, I just received it in an e-mail today. I didn't verify it's accuracy, it wouldn't surprise me though.

88 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:41:50am

re: #75 gmsc

re: #79 gmsc

Heh...I remember working at a pizza place and more than once, some troublesome customers would flag me down and demand to see a manager, letting me know how awful they thought the pizza was and how they felt they were more entitled to a discount or freebie. More ofthen than not, all but two slices on a 14 or 16-inch pizza were gone and I'd say something along the lines of 'Wow- you must've been REALLY hungry to choke down most of that pizza you thought was so terrible...'.

They'd stop asking for a discount after I pointed that out...

89 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:43:32am

re: #80 I Need A Bigger Gun

Say hey, Hi,

I'm interested in your nom de nic. Are you quoting Frank Boggs?

90 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:43:51am

I'm tired.

91 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:46:42am

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

If I ever had a problem with food, it would be sent back after a few bites. Did it once when I ordered some chicken wings at a bar. Bit into the first one and it was half raw. Sent it back immediately after showing the offending wing. Got another order, same problem. Just said forget it after that and cancelled the order on my bill. If you are going to complain about food, make sure you have a good reason and do it promptly.

92 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:47:31am

re: #91 BlueCanuck

If I ever had a problem with food, it would be sent back after a few bites. Did it once when I ordered some chicken wings at a bar. Bit into the first one and it was half raw. Sent it back immediately after showing the offending wing. Got another order, same problem. Just said forget it after that and cancelled the order on my bill. If you are going to complain about food, make sure you have a good reason and do it promptly.

I'm pretty sure the people Fenway was talking about had no actual problem with the food.

93 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:49:03am

re: #92 gmsc

I'm pretty sure the people Fenway was talking about had no actual problem with the food.

no... really?

/white smoke

94 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:54:24am

re: #90 redc1c4

Damn, that was good. I am embarrassed to say that "Blackfive" was one of the first blogs that I ever checked out on a regular basis, and even commented there, I even "adopted a Marine" from there and I haven't even checked it out for at least five days. I must be an LGF addict. LOL

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:58:48am

GMSC, that is one of the funniest sites I have seen in a while.

96 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:59:50am

Joe was sitting at a bar. He was totally depressed. The bartender, serving him a drink, asked what was wrong. "I'll never understand women" said Joe. "The other night on my birthday, my wife said as my gift, I could do with her what I wanted." "Wow! That's quite some gift" said the bartender. "So why are you so dejected?" "Well I thought about it for a while" said Joe, "and decided to send her home to her mother, and now she won't even speak to me!"

97 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:00:06am

re: #94 Pvt Bin Jammin

Damn, that was good. I am embarrassed to say that "Blackfive" was one of the first blogs that I ever checked out on a regular basis, and even commented there, I even "adopted a Marine" from there and I haven't even checked it out for at least five days. I must be an LGF addict. LOL

that makes two of us... there are so many blogs on my "gotta" list, that sometimes i forget to open a tab for them for awhile. i was on B5 long before i came here. if i still did Usenet on a daily basis, i might never get out of the chair.

98 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:00:24am

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99 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:01:06am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

GMSC, that is one of the funniest sites I have seen in a while.

I love it, too! I hadn't loked at in months, but a post in the last thread made me think of it.

100 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:04:22am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

GMSC, that is one of the funniest sites I have seen in a while.

if you liked that, you should read Customers Suck.

101 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:08:36am
Youtube Video

Gee, you'd think lawyer Chuck E. Cheese would have heard about ex post facto laws some time during law school.

What hypocritical tripe.

/the taxpayers are going to pay more to keep trying not to pay these contractual bonuses because they'll get bludgeoned with the resulting successful lawsuits

102 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:12:20am

re: #101 Killian Bundy

[Video]Gee, you'd think lawyer Chuck E. Cheese would have heard about ex post facto laws some time during law school.

What hypocritical tripe.

/the taxpayers are going to pay more to keep trying not to pay these contractual bonuses because they'll get bludgeoned with the resulting successful lawsuits

well, trial lawyers *ARE* one of the dem's biggest finanacial supporters.

103 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:13:06am

re: #97 redc1c4

I know what you mean. We need to get out of our computer chairs for sure.

Youtube Video
104 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:14:25am

Good night, all.

105 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:14:33am

re: #96 Erik The Red

Guy's sitting in a bar, and a drop dead gorgeous blond sits down next to him.

"Hi," she says. "Hi," he replies, looking her over.

She looks him straight in the eye, and says, "For a hundred bucks, I'll do anything you want. Interested?"

"You bet!", he says, as he gets a C-note out of his wallet, and gives it to her. "Now go paint my house!"

106 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:16:04am

Not Always Right > FMyLife.

107 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:19:16am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Good night. Sweet dreams. I had a few great teachers but none really taught me that much about the world wars.. Keep up the good work.

108 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:19:38am

I am sooo excited. Waiting for the party. I will bring the beer. Blue or red go get the snacks:)

109 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:21:15am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Good night, all.

G'Nite, SFZ!

110 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:24:19am

I guess I can forget about my alarm clock for the party.

111 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:24:35am

re: #102 redc1c4

well, trial lawyers *ARE* one of the dem's biggest finanacial supporters.

[Expletive deleted] these smarmy, sanctimonious Congressional twits, they're the ones who approved these bonus payments in the first place! Drop it before the taxpayers have to pay even more for the legal blowback!

/it's a drop in the bucket, what AIG needs to pay to do business as the world's largest insurance company, .001% of the $176 billion (so far) bailout, with more to come, get real, do the math, Congress is the [expletive deleted] problem

112 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:25:08am

re: #108 Erik The Red

I am sooo excited. Waiting for the party. I will bring the beer. Blue or red go get the snacks:)

i see yer gonna have to get used to life in the States... get yer own damn snacks.

113 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:28:06am

re: #112 redc1c4

Dang, I have been a soldiers' angel for years and I've never seen that site.

114 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:28:24am

Sleep is for Other People...

115 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:28:47am

re: #110 Pvt Bin Jammin

I guess I can forget about my alarm clock for the party.

kinda what i thought... i was headed to bed, same as always, and, like always, it's suddenly fruitcup time, more or less.

/it's an ebil conspiracy, i tell ya!

116 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:30:07am

re: #114 littleoldlady

Sleep is for Other People...

{lol} you are early. Now it won't be a surprise party.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

117 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:30:19am

re: #114 littleoldlady

I made it! Didn't have to use the clock. LOL

Image: B0106_Z.jpg

118 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:30:58am

re: #116 Erik The Red

Erik! :-)

404.

That was a surprise! ;-)

119 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:31:48am

re: #114 littleoldlady

Sleep is for Other People...

i'll sleep when i'm dead.

/video is lame, but it's the only one with Warren's song i can find

120 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:32:01am

Pvt Bin Jammin! :-)

HI! Long time no type to! How've you been?

OHHH! Fireworks! PRETTY!

Thank you! :-)

121 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:32:51am

Happy Birthday, Littleoldlady :)

122 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:33:09am

re: #119 redc1c4

I'll be dead if I don't get more sleep!

123 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:33:21am

re: #120 littleoldlady

Pvt Bin Jammin! :-)

HI! Long time no type to! How've you been?

OHHH! Fireworks! PRETTY!

Thank you! :-)

that's your cake...

/multi-alarm

124 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:33:51am

re: #118 littleoldlady

Erik! :-)

404.

That was a surprise! ;-)

Dang. The one I wanted did not link

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

125 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:34:01am

Matrix! :-)

Thanks very much!

Have you run into my kid yet? I told her to look out for you.

jewpublican.

126 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:34:10am

OMG, I jest heard on FNC that DHS Napoliano doesn't use the term "terrorism" because she prefers the term "man caused disaster".

/war by euphemism, boy I feel safe

127 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:34:12am

re: #122 littleoldlady

I'll be dead if I don't get more sleep!

maybe you can split the difference, and just spend more time in bed?

/white smoke

128 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:34:53am

re: #120 littleoldlady

Pvt Bin Jammin! :-)

HI! Long time no type to! How've you been?

OHHH! Fireworks! PRETTY!

Thank you! :-)

Good to see you. Have a good one!

129 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:34:55am

re: #124 Erik The Red

Neat! :-)

/what is it? a cake or a card?

THANKS! :-)

130 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:35:09am

re: #114 littleoldlady

Sleep is for Other People...

Happy Birthday!

Your present awaits at #63!

131 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:35:10am

re: #126 Killian Bundy

OMG, I jest heard on FNC that DHS Napoliano doesn't use the term "terrorism" because she prefers the term "man caused disaster".

/war by euphemism, boy I feel safe

or, in her case "idiot caused disaster"...

/so screwed

132 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:36:17am

Nice quote from the greatest New Zealander ever, thanks.

133 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:36:22am

re: #125 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

Thanks very much!

Have you run into my kid yet? I told her to look out for you.

jewpublican.

Nope, haven't had the pleasure!

I haven't been on LGF much the past couple of days, been busy with Finals :-/

134 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:36:42am

re: #130 gmsc

gmsc! :-)

I came, I watched, I +dinged+
/veni, vidi, dingie! ;-)

THANK YOU!

135 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:36:58am

re: #129 littleoldlady

Neat! :-)

/what is it? a cake or a card?

THANKS! :-)

It was a hunky guy jumping out of a cake singing Happy Birthday. I will try and make it work. No promises tho. Not too good at this puter stuff :)

136 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:37:12am

hey LoL: don't say i've never given you a present.

137 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:37:28am

re: #12 Fenway_Nation

It's the first time I've ever seen a living person who was not a politician or dictator with their face on the national currency. That's how respected Hillary was here.

138 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:38:06am

re: #135 Erik The Red

It was a hunky guy jumping out of a cake singing Happy Birthday. I will try and make it work. No promises tho. Not too good at this puter stuff :)

WHOA! I should probably try and find where I left my coffee cup!

/and clean my glasses...

;-)

139 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:38:44am

re: #136 redc1c4

red! :-)

Gee. Thanks.

/I think

;-)

140 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:38:55am

re: #132 LynnfromNZ

Nice quote from the greatest New Zealander ever, thanks.

i thought that was Burt Munro?

141 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:40:46am

re: #132 LynnfromNZ

Nice quote from the greatest New Zealander ever, thanks.

There's a Lucy Lawless quote in here?

142 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:42:38am

Good morning littleoldlady. Happy Birthday!

143 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:43:52am

re: #142 BlueCanuck

BLUECANUCK! :-)

Ahhh!

144 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:46:51am

re: #143 littleoldlady

Maybe this Cake

145 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:46:55am

Happy Birthday to you, littleoldlady!
May there be many, many more.

146 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:47:42am

Its our favorite lol! Happy Birthday!
Mazeltov tsu dayn geboyrn-tog!
May the blue faygelah of happiness drop so much mazel on your head your"kupp" runneth over!

147 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:48:56am

re: #144 Erik The Red

Great cake!

148 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:49:11am

re: #144 Erik The Red

Oh, now that's CUTE!

/and fondant, too, right?

149 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:50:06am

re: #145 Alberta Oil Peon

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

THANKS! :-)

150 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:51:10am

World's Fastest Indian

i met Sir Anthony once, for a brief moment.

in a world of self centered asshats and rude nobodies, he's a gentleman's gentleman. the rest of Hollywood should take notes.

151 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:51:20am

re: #144 Erik The Red

Maybe this Cake

What flavor lizard is that?

152 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:53:15am

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

What flavor lizard is that?

rum cake?

153 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:53:19am

re: #146 Panhandler

Panhandler! :-)

May the blue faygelah of happiness...

TRYING to get happy! ;_)

154 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:54:37am

re: #153 littleoldlady

TRYING to get happy! ;_)

There's the problem- your nose slid off.

155 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:55:28am

re: #150 redc1c4

World's Fastest Indian

i met Sir Anthony once, for a brief moment.

in a world of self centered asshats and rude nobodies, he's a gentleman's gentleman. the rest of Hollywood should take notes.

better yet: the rest of Hollywood should either emulate him or fuck off and die.

/pet peeve

156 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:56:02am

re: #153 littleoldlady

Panhandler! :-)

TRYING to get happy! ;_)

there is no "try"

157 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:56:22am

re: #153 littleoldlady

Youtube Video
158 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:56:30am

re: #154 Sharmuta

There's the problem- your nose slid off.

*SNORT*

159 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:57:15am

re: #158 gmsc

Ain't I a stinker?

160 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:58:08am

re: #154 Sharmuta

Sharmuta! :-)

My own link did it!

;-)

161 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:58:11am
Youtube Video

/from Minnesota TV, although you probably predate the '50sre: #159 Sharmuta

Ain't I a stinker?

/the cone of odor

162 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:58:54am

re: #159 Sharmuta

Ain't I a stinker?

/the cone of odor

163 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 1:59:02am

Fruitcup!

Fruitcup On Line

164 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:09am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet [CAKE TOO!:-) ] --->
Help yourselves!

165 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:11am

now?

166 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:12am

littleoldlady...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
and thanks for just bein you...
nemaste

Youtube Video
167 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:45am
Youtube Video

From Minnesota TV, although you probably predate the '50s.

/little disturbance in the force there, sorry

168 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:46am

Thank you for the fruitcup littleoldlady.

169 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:49am

re: #157 Pvt Bin Jammin

It ain't a real birthday without that song! :-)

170 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:00:58am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet [CAKE TOO!:-) ] --->
Help yourselves!

Yay! littleoldlady birthday fruitcup! And cake!

171 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:01:01am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Thank you {littleoldbirthdaygirllady}!

172 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:01:03am

well, at least the fucknut twins were the 1st dingers...

/white smoke

173 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:01:11am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet [CAKE TOO!:-) ] --->
Help yourselves!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

174 freetoken  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:01:33am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet [CAKE TOO!:-) ] --->
Help yourselves!

Ahhh... thank you... and Happy Birthday!

175 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:01:39am

re: #169 littleoldlady

It ain't a real birthday without that song! :-)

happy happy joy joy?

176 TheMatrix31  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:02:06am

I can't believe we made her work...on her birthday!

177 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:02:57am

re: #176 TheMatrix31

I can't believe we made her work...on her birthday!

i can: guilt is a wonderful lever.

178 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:03:47am

re: #167 Killian Bundy

although you probably predate the '50s.

Actually...no. I don't.

But thanks anyway, Killian.

;-)

179 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:04:36am

re: #163 redc1c4

There goes my idea for an online company name.

:-/

180 Pigtown Water Dog  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:04:40am

Dear LOL,

You are so good to all of us! Happy Birthday.

181 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:06:05am

re: #178 littleoldlady

Actually...no. I don't.

But thanks anyway, Killian.

;-)

Killian just wants to date someone in their 50's...

182 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:06:45am

gmsc! :-)

Sharmuta! :-) :-) :-)

Erik! :-)
/yummy!

freetoken! :-)
/chocolate! Woowoo!

red! :-)

Matrix! :-)

Pigtown Water Dog! :-)

183 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:06:58am

Happy birthday, littleoldlady!

/Now show us that high-school yearbook you said Moses signed

184 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:07:06am

re: #177 redc1c4

i can: guilt is a wonderful lever.

185 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:07:23am

albusteve! :-)

186 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:07:38am

re: #181 redc1c4

Killian just wants to date someone in their 50's...

/too dry for me

187 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:08:46am

re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG "Hobart's funnies"?

Funny as in weird.

Not funny if you're facing one.

188 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:09:25am

Fenway! :-)

189 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:10:29am

re: #186 Killian Bundy

/too dry for me

Really?

190 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:10:53am

re: #186 Killian Bundy

/too dry for me

that's why you have a cat.

191 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:11:42am

My all-time favorite story from notalwaysright.com:

Mission: Impossible
KEY SHOP %P% CHICAGO, IL, USA

Customer: “I just locked my key in my car in front of the shop.”

Me: (I pick up some stuff) “Not a problem, I’ll pop it open for $5.00.”

Customer: “What are you going to do with that stuff?”

Me: “Open your car.”

Customer: “It’s a brand new Mercedes. I just drove it here from the dealer–you can’t touch it!”

Me: “Then how do I open it?”

Customer: “That’s your problem.”

Me: “Actually it’s not; I didn’t lock the key in your car.”

Customer: “You have to open it.”

Me: “Watch me not open it.”

Customer: “OK then, but if you make any scratch or mark at all then you will have to pay Mercedes to repaint the whole car. That will cost thousands.”

Me: “So If I’m successful I get $5.00, but if I make the smallest error it will cost me thousands of dollars?”

Customer: “Yes.”

Me: “Your car might just be there forever.”

192 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:11:48am

Just for you on your birthday, littleoldlady, I logged into my account, and altered my profile to turn the dinger on, so I could give you an upding.

I'll let you know how I feel once the freezing comes out.

193 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:12:16am

re: #190 redc1c4

that's why you have a cat.

/and they're neutered, it just works out better

194 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:13:07am

re: #189 Panhandler

Really?

/that's the point

195 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:13:45am

re: #193 Killian Bundy

/and they're neutered, it just works out better

pets emulate their owners...

196 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:14:15am

re: #192 Alberta Oil Peon

Just for you on your birthday, littleoldlady, I logged into my account, and altered my profile to turn the dinger on, so I could give you an upding.

I'll let you know how I feel once the freezing comes out.

I didn't know you could turn it off.

197 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:15:00am

re: #192 Alberta Oil Peon

Awww! Thanks! :-) :-) :-)

198 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:16:03am

BOYS! BOYS! Behave!

199 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:16:46am

re: #195 redc1c4

pets emulate their owners...

/pretty tall order for cats

200 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:17:15am

re: #198 littleoldlady

BOYS! BOYS! Behave!


Awww Mom - He started it.

201 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:18:18am

re: #199 Killian Bundy

/pretty tall order for cats

for cats, that would be properly known as "slumming".

202 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:18:47am

re: #200 Panhandler

Awww Mom - He started it.

That's what I like about this place.

/feels like home

;-)

203 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:18:50am

re: #198 littleoldlady

BOYS! BOYS! Behave!

they are...

204 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:19:18am

re: #199 Killian Bundy

/pretty tall order for cats

Depends on the cat

205 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:19:26am

re: #202 littleoldlady

That's what I like about this place.

/feels like home

;-)

there's a joke there...

/white smoke

206 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:19:43am

re: #191 gmsc

My Ford Contour has a tendency to spontaneously lock itself. (Which is a really bad thing if you're delivering pizza in the winter.) I always carry a spare key in my jacket pocket.

207 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:19:48am

'Nite, lizards. I am out.

{Little Old Lady}, thanks for the fruitcup and have a wonderful birthday!

208 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:20:10am

re: #202 littleoldlady

That's what I like about this place.

/feels like home

;-)

:)

209 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:20:41am

re: #207 Pvt Bin Jammin

'Nite, lizards. I am out.

{Little Old Lady}, thanks for the fruitcup and have a wonderful birthday!

Night, PBJ!

210 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:21:15am

re: #202 littleoldlady

That's what I like about this place.

/feels like home

;-)

then, obviously, we need to squabble more.

211 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:21:24am

re: #207 Pvt Bin Jammin

GREAT seeing you and thanks so much for all the birthday goodies! :-)

212 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:21:26am

re: #201 redc1c4

for cats, that would be properly known as "slumming".

Well, that hurts.

/maybe if I start withholding food they'll put out

213 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:22:39am

re: #212 Killian Bundy

Well, that hurts.

/maybe if I start withholding food they'll put out

214 Spiritualized  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:22:58am

Paris - the Beirut of Europe! (Assuming Malmo doesn't fight them for the title).

Arson attacks spread to central Paris

The number of cars torched overnight - 918 across France - was the highest yet since the unrest began Oct. 27. Of the cars burned, 545 were outside of the Paris region, the Interior Ministry said. The night before, 900 vehicles were burned across the country.

The count of overnight arson attacks, still incomplete, could rise further, the police said Sunday, adding that it did not include shops, gymnasiums, nursery schools and other targets attacked by bands of youths.

(...)

The town of Evreux, 100 kilometers, or 60 miles, west of Paris, appeared hardest hit by marauding youths overnight, a national police spokesman, Patrick Hamon, said. Arsonists there laid waste to at least 50 vehicles, shops and businesses at a shopping center, a post office and two schools, he said.

Five police officers and three firefighters were hurt in clashes with youths, he said.

For the second night in a row, a helicopter equipped with spotlights and video cameras to track bands of youths...

(...)

Small teams of police were deployed to chase youths...

1.) It definitely isn't Muslims (and you're a big, filthy racist for even thinking it.)
2.) It's Sarkozy's fault:

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy - blamed by some for inflaming violence with tough talk and calling troublemakers "scum"

"Some" meaning, some journalists.

215 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:23:06am

re: #211 littleoldlady

GREAT seeing you and thanks so much for all the birthday goodies! :-)

Have a great day.

216 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:23:35am

re: #204 Panhandler

Depends on the cat

/I don't think that helped

217 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:23:54am

re: #206 The Other Les

My Ford Contour has a tendency to spontaneously lock itself. (Which is a really bad thing if you're delivering pizza in the winter.) I always carry a spare key in my jacket pocket.

...and even if you forget that other key, I'm guessing you wouldn't threaten to sue someone who offers to unlock it for you?
;)

218 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:24:52am

re: #213 Panhandler

/post it again

219 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:26:23am

re: #206 The Other Les

My Ford Contour has a tendency to spontaneously lock itself. (Which is a really bad thing if you're delivering pizza in the winter.) I always carry a spare key in my jacket pocket.

I feel your pain. I have a '92 Cavalier that I don't even use (plan on selling it). Doggone thing has automatic door locks that lock whenever you put it in gear, even reverse. So I'm locked inside even if all I do is start it up and move it around the yard a bit. Needless to say, the doors don't unlock when you throw it back into Park.

I guess the car's on-board computer thinks it's protecting me from being car-jacked by a gang of gophers.

220 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:26:24am

re: #218 Killian Bundy

Why, you like to see cats on the losing end?

221 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:27:29am

I hope all you Lizards have given lol a up ding for post #164.

Its her Birthday if you have just logged on.

222 freetoken  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:27:39am

Some music for the party... (mixed genres from when music was music...):

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
223 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:27:44am

re: #214 Spiritualized

your article is from 2005...

did you have a point?

224 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:27:47am

re: #217 gmsc

...and even if you forget that other key, I'm guessing you wouldn't threaten to sue someone who offers to unlock it for you?
;)

It's definitely not in pristine condition.

;)

225 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:28:37am

re: #219 Alberta Oil Peon

I feel your pain. I have a '92 Cavalier that I don't even use (plan on selling it). Doggone thing has automatic door locks that lock whenever you put it in gear, even reverse. So I'm locked inside even if all I do is start it up and move it around the yard a bit. Needless to say, the doors don't unlock when you throw it back into Park.

I guess the car's on-board computer thinks it's protecting me from being car-jacked by a gang of gophers.

Oddly enough, that's a unique safety feature. If you ram the car into a tree or building the doors will automatically unlock to aid egress. Problem solved.

226 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:29:28am

re: #204 Panhandler

Depends on the cat

"A lion sleeps in the heart of every brave man."
–Turkish proverb

Google Video
227 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:29:29am

re: #221 Erik The Red

Yeah. I don't ask for much...

;-)

228 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:29:47am

re: #220 Panhandler

Why, you like to see cats on the losing end?

/wow, that's the fatal blow that will make me give up sarcasm altogether, I've seen the light!

229 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:31:10am

re: #228 Killian Bundy

/wow, that's the fatal blow that will make me give up sarcasm altogether, I've seen the light!

You forgot the /

230 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:31:21am

re: #225 Panhandler

Oddly enough, that's a unique safety feature. If you ram the car into a tree or building the doors will automatically unlock to aid egress. Problem solved.

If I got an egress, I'd have to feed it. And fish is expensive.

231 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:33:05am

re: #230 Alberta Oil Peon

If I got an egress, I'd have to feed it. And fish is expensive.

I used to keep an egress in my bedroom. I learned to keep it on the other side of the door.

232 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:33:23am

re: #230 Alberta Oil Peon

Doesn't do much for the resale value either.

233 Spiritualized  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:34:00am

re: #223 redc1c4

your article is from 2005...

did you have a point?

Ha, never looked at the date, it was linked from another blog so I assumed it was new.

234 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:35:37am

Well, it's time for me to make my exit. I can get in a nice 4 hour nap between now and morning report time.

Good night, all, and especially to littleoldlady on this, her special day.

235 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:37:08am

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

Good night, Alberta Oil Peon! AND THANKS! :-)

/can't believe you're leaving in the middle of the floor show...

236 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:37:47am

re: #231 gmsc

I used to keep an egress in my bedroom. I learned to keep it on the other side of the door.

I can see why.

237 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:39:36am

re: #235 littleoldlady

OOPS! I almost forgot - hundert-tsvantsik

238 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:39:43am

re: #229 Panhandler

You forgot the /

Youtube Video

/bull[expletive deleted]!

239 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:40:43am

Good morning lizards!
US intercepts ballistic missile in Hawaii test.

You watching this, L'il Kim?

240 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:42:06am

re: #237 Panhandler

OOPS! I almost forgot - hundert-tsvantsik

A scary thought indeed!

;-)

241 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:42:18am

re: #140 redc1c4

Heh. Truly an underrated cycle genius, yes.

242 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:42:19am

Littleoldllady- happy birthday!
You look marvelous!

243 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:42:54am

re: #141 Fenway_Nation

Not "greatest-looking..."

244 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:44:20am

re: #242 Jim in Virginia

{My Rove}! ;-)

THANKS! :-)

/I would lend you my glasses but I think I'll wallow in Fantasy...for today. ;-)

245 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:44:31am

re: #242 Jim in Virginia

Littleoldllady- happy birthday!
You look marvelous!

Morning Jiv. Make sure you up ding # 164

246 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:45:45am

re: #240 littleoldlady

A scary thought indeed!

;-)


Think of the shared memories as you help MCG (Mature College Graduate) pony up her share for the stimulus payoff.

247 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:46:02am

re: #231 gmsc

I used to keep an egress in my bedroom. I learned to keep it on the other side of the door.

Speaking of egress, I think I'll find my way to one for now.

Good night, all!

And I hope you have a great and happy birthday, littleoldlady!

248 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:47:13am

re: #246 Panhandler

The State will decide that I've outlived my usefulness WAY before then.

/like...this week

:-/

249 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:47:44am

'Night gmsc! :-)

Thanks for the Julie Andrews! ;-)

250 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:48:48am

re: #248 littleoldlady

The state ain't gonna believe the grief coming their way if The Lizard Nation is deprived of fruitcup!

251 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:49:13am

re: #245 Erik The Red

Morning Jiv. Make sure you up ding # 164


Done. We shoudl upding ALL of lol's posts today.
You know, the country needs someone smart to run for President in 2012.
Someone who won't put up with any crap from anybody. Someone who is faithful, good and true and makes good fruitcup, too.

Hmmm. (Looking around. )

252 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:50:29am

re: #251 Jim in Virginia

Done. We shoudl upding ALL of lol's posts today.
You know, the country needs someone smart to run for President in 2012.
Someone who won't put up with any crap from anybody. Someone who is faithful, good and true and makes good fruitcup, too.

Hmmm. (Looking around. )

Oh, you're good, you're really good!

253 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:52:08am

re: #251 Jim in Virginia

Meh. Fuggetaboutit! They had their chance back in 2004.

/do you think I want to inherit Barack Obama's mess?!

Fruitcup. Just ding the fruitcup, please.

/would love to see it in the Top Ten comments... ;-)

254 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:53:06am

re: #249 littleoldlady

'Night gmsc! :-)

Thanks for the Julie Andrews! ;-)

You're welcome. Good night, littleoldlady!

re: #251 Jim in Virginia

Done. We shoudl upding ALL of lol's posts today.
You know, the country needs someone smart to run for President in 2012.
Someone who won't put up with any crap from anybody. Someone who is faithful, good and true and makes good fruitcup, too.

Hmmm. (Looking around. )

"...But who this man person could be I just don't know..."

Youtube Video

Good night, all!

255 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:53:24am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Meh. Fuggetaboutit! They had their chance back in 2004.

/do you think I want to inherit Barack Obama's mess?!

Fruitcup. Just ding the fruitcup, please.

/would love to see it in the Top Ten comments... ;-)

It will get to the top. I will do my best pimping # 164

256 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:55:04am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet [CAKE TOO!:-) ] --->
Help yourselves!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LADY! MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY!


Youtube Video


Youtube Video


Youtube Video
Youtube Video
257 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:55:36am

re: #249 littleoldlady

'Night gmsc! :-)

Thanks for the Julie Andrews! ;-)

Youtube Video

/we'll eventually get to Swiss Family Robinson

258 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:56:40am

Happy Birthday, littleoldlady!

259 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:56:45am

re: #255 Erik The Red

We're almost there!

/you won't have to make a nuisance of yourself for to much longer... ;-)

260 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:57:27am

re: #239 Jim in Virginia

Good morning lizards!
US intercepts ballistic missile in Hawaii test.

You watching this, L'il Kim?

I would think that Die Grosse und Lieb-Führer Kim is counting on Die Grosse Null to cancel the interceptor system for ideological (feel good) reasons (feelings).

261 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:58:24am

re: #259 littleoldlady

We're almost there!

/you won't have to make a nuisance of yourself for to much longer... ;-)

It needs to stay there for the whole day. Go for number 1

262 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 2:59:37am

OK, shameless political plug.
Bob McDonnell is running for governor of Virginia. The campaign has an NCAA bracket contest. Winner gets dinner with Bob or a 3 on 3 basketball game with Bob and his sons.

263 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:01:12am

re: #256 Dustyvet

Dustyvet! :-)

WOW! The motherload!

LOVE THE EGGS! :-) Thanks!

264 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:02:50am

re: #258 scottishbuzzsaw

Hey stranger! THANK YOU! :-)

265 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:04:22am

re: #261 Erik The Red

It's just...fruitcup, after all.

/Pithy Comments 'Rn't Me
//anymore

;-)

266 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:04:49am

re: #263 littleoldlady

Dustyvet! :-)

WOW! The motherload!

LOVE THE EGGS! :-) Thanks!

:) Happy Birthday!

267 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:05:01am

re: #239 Jim in Virginia

Good morning lizards!
US intercepts ballistic missile in Hawaii test.

You watching this, L'il Kim?

'Israel could attack Iran with missiles'

Even though Bridge is a partner game in bidding, the first rule of play is "get the kids off th street".

/there's only 52 cards in the Bridge deck and Israel, counting the trump points, is going to bid the Spade tricks to win the contract

268 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:06:08am

re: #255 Erik The Red

Will you be finance director for littleoldlady's presidential campaign?
goddess is on tap for spiritual adviser.

269 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:07:19am

re: #265 littleoldlady

It's just...fruitcup, after all.

/Pithy Comments 'Rn't Me
//anymore

;-)

It's not the fruit and it aint the cup - it's the dedication (Sitting outside the hotel to get a wifi hookup so the late night lizards can set their watches and restore their inner selves)

270 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:08:14am

re: #264 littleoldlady

Hey stranger! THANK YOU! :-)

There's a bottle of Bailey's on the fruitcup table if anyone needs some liquid happiness today. ;>)

271 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:08:35am

re: #269 Panhandler

It's not the fruit and it aint the cup - it's the dedication (Sitting outside the hotel to get a wifi hookup so the late night lizards can set their watches and restore their inner selves)

IN THE DARK!

You forgot IN THE DARK!

/I need professional help, I think...

272 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:08:54am

re: #268 Jim in Virginia

Will you be finance director for littleoldlady's presidential campaign?
goddess is on tap for spiritual adviser.

Sure. I need some $$$ to fund my move.

Did I just say that out load?

273 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:11:12am

re: #270 scottishbuzzsaw

For Dusty Vets sake I hope you didn't watch his fourth celebratory video.

274 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:12:32am

re: #271 littleoldlady

IN THE DARK!

You forgot IN THE DARK!

/I need professional help, I think...

Nonsense, your gustatory radiance would fill a stadium.

275 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:15:10am
gustatory

Naturally, I had to look that up.

/not sure if I'm glad I did...

;-)

276 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:17:13am

re: #272 Erik The Red

Sure. I need some $$$ to fund my move.

Did I just say that out load?


BAD ERIK!
No visa for you!

277 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:18:01am

re: #273 Panhandler

For Dusty Vets sake I hope you didn't watch his fourth celebratory video.

Screaming Eggs


Youtube Video
278 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:18:27am

re: #273 Panhandler

For Dusty Vets sake I hope you didn't watch his fourth celebratory video.

Oh, those poor eggs!

279 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:19:10am

re: #276 Jim in Virginia

BAD ERIK!
No visa for you!

Luckily I don't need one but the family does.

280 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:20:22am

re: #269 Panhandler

It's not the fruit and it aint the cup - it's the dedication (Sitting outside the hotel to get a wifi hookup so the late night lizards can set their watches and restore their inner selves)

/do you remember who started the dead thread, he was a world traveler too?

281 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:20:25am

Only 6 or 7 more updings for littleoldlady fruitcup at comment #164 to get onto the top ten comment list. Lets get it done people lizards.

282 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:20:44am

re: #277 Dustyvet

I thought Steve bit the dust in the birthday cake!

/an egg with 9 lives?

;-)

283 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:21:01am

Morning Lizards.

284 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:21:39am

re: #282 littleoldlady

I thought Steve bit the dust in the birthday cake!

/an egg with 9 lives?

;-)

He had a stunt double egg...:)

285 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:21:45am

rightside! :-)

286 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:22:33am

re: #280 Killian Bundy

Dang, no I don't recall, so many threads, so many lizards, but I know it wasn't bigel.

287 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:22:48am

re: #280 Killian Bundy

Good ole Mikey!

288 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:23:09am

Good ole bigel!

;-)

289 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:23:26am

re: #285 littleoldlady

Happy Birthday lol

290 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:23:55am

re: #289 rightside

Thank ewe berry much! :-)

291 Killian Bundy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:23:57am

re: #287 littleoldlady

Good ole Mikey!

/carrying on the tradition proudly and punctually

292 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:24:33am

Good morning, Lizards!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, {LITTLEOLDLADY}!

293 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:24:49am

rightside!
Go upding #164.

294 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:25:43am

re: #292 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

re: #293 Jim in Virginia

I already did.

295 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:26:29am

re: #292 goddessoftheclassroom

{GODDESS!}
Thanks! :-) :-) :-)

296 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:27:42am

Just stopped in for fruitcup.
Hey, I've never seen fruitcup with a candle in it ~
HAPPY BIRTHDAY littleoldlady!
upding!
:D

297 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:27:47am

goddess, we're drafting littleoldlady to run for Prez in 2012. She needs you as her spiritual advisor.
(Actually she probably doesn't need anyone but it will look good in the news. That's all that counts, right?)
///

298 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:29:19am

re: #297 Jim in Virginia

goddess, we're drafting littleoldlady to run for Prez in 2012. She needs you as her spiritual advisor.
(Actually she probably doesn't need anyone but it will look good in the news. That's all that counts, right?)
///

I think we make Blue part of the International Foreign Affairs.

299 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:30:41am

re: #297 Jim in Virginia

re: #298 Erik The Red

And under lol's aegis, you will have a clean tax record.

300 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:31:17am

re: #297 Jim in Virginia

goddess, we're drafting littleoldlady to run for Prez in 2012. She needs you as her spiritual advisor.
(Actually she probably doesn't need anyone but it will look good in the news. That's all that counts, right?)
///

Actually, I'd rather be Secretary of Education--and then abolish the department...

301 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:31:59am

re: #299 Panhandler

re: #298 Erik The Red

And under lol's aegis, you will have a clean tax record.

Yeah I am clean. Had to be to get my family their green cards.

302 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:32:13am

re: #298 Erik The Red

LOL, some one once asked me if I wanted to be a politician. Told her no. I have to many morals and ethics for that job.

/sad state of affairs isn't it.

303 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:32:54am

re: #296 Killer Tomato

Killer! :-) Thank you!

/baked apples! ;-)

304 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #300 goddessoftheclassroom

YOU.ARE.HIRED!

305 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #300 goddessoftheclassroom

Actually, I'd rather be Secretary of Education--and then abolish the department...


And put all those DC bureaucrats on unemployment?
You heartless conservative!

306 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:34:23am

What Kind of Handgun Are You?


[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

307 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:34:53am

re: #305 Jim in Virginia

And put all those DC bureaucrats on unemployment?
You heartless conservative!

No stress for them, they'd just become lobbyists.

308 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:39:01am

re: #306 Dustyvet

What Kind of Handgun Are You?

[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

Ignore this posting, the link is wrong...:(

309 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:39:28am

re: #306 Dustyvet

Glock Model 22 in 40cal. (actually I prefer the Taurus 24/7 Pro in 40, so I bought one)

310 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:40:10am

re: #308 Dustyvet

It's there, you just have to scroll down.

311 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:41:06am

Mentioning Mikey made me remember back to the old days on the Dead Thread...

Raises coffee cup (okay, okay, rum and coke) to my long lost pal Miguelito.

/May you be well, wherever you are
//I miss you! :-(
///Good times, good times...

312 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:41:14am

re: #310 Panhandler

It's there, you just have to scroll down.

Oh thank you...:) I'm not as dumb as I look then...:) which is not saying a lot...:)

313 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:41:55am

re: #311 littleoldlady

Mentioning Mikey made me remember back to the old days on the Dead Thread...

Raises coffee cup (okay, okay, rum and coke) to my long lost pal Miguelito.

/May you be well, wherever you are
//I miss you! :-(
///Good times, good times...

I miss him, too, and I still pray for him.

314 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:42:43am

re: #311 littleoldlady

I was thinking of Miguel yesterday, it's going on a year now isn't it.

315 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:45:23am

re: #314 Panhandler

It's been a very long time. :-(

316 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:47:20am

re: #311 littleoldlady

*raises mug* To Miguel...

317 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:48:11am

Goddess, are you here?

I want to say a big thank-you for your prayer list and to any lizard who has prayed for me. Certain aspects of my life have definitely been improving since you added me to the list.

And if anyone still feels moved to pray for me, I would deeply appreciate it. Many thanks!

318 yesandno  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:48:32am

re: #249 littleoldlady

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOL
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

AND MANNNY MORE!

319 freetoken  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:49:19am

re: #311 littleoldlady


Raises coffee cup (okay, okay, rum and coke) to my long lost pal Miguelito.

Also miss Miguel... it doesn't appear as if we will be able to close the loop on what happened.

320 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:49:23am

I have to get moving... :-/ (Hopefully) I'll be back later.

Thank you ALL for the wonderful birthday party! The music, cakes, jokes, and especially the dings good wishes! ;-)

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

321 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:50:05am

yesandno! :-)

Thankkks! :-)

322 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:50:55am

re: #317 Josephine

Goddess, are you here?

I want to say a big thank-you for your prayer list and to any lizard who has prayed for me. Certain aspects of my life have definitely been improving since you added me to the list.

And if anyone still feels moved to pray for me, I would deeply appreciate it. Many thanks!

{Josephine}

I'm so glad!

323 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:52:22am

Bye littleoldlady, and may you have a GREAT day.

324 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:55:03am

re: #320 littleoldlady

I have to get moving... :-/ (Hopefully) I'll be back later.

Thank you ALL for the wonderful birthday party! The music, cakes, jokes, and especially the dings good wishes! ;-)

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Bye lol. We will get you to number 1 today or die trying:)

325 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:55:35am

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

{Goddess}

326 yochanan  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:56:10am

Image: File:Bandicoot-in-grass-at-night.jpg

327 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:57:21am

Okay, we are short 3 dings just to make it onto the top ten list. We need a little over 28 to get to number one. So here's the link to comment #164 to make it easy for every one. Start dinging folks. :)

328 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:58:38am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

Okay, we are short 3 dings just to make it onto the top ten list. We need a little over 28 to get to number one. So here's the link to comment #164 to make it easy for every one. Start dinging folks. :)

Only 28? I thought we would need over 50.

329 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 3:58:53am

Has everyone seen the Ahmed & Salim videos?

They're crude but funny. Good satire.

330 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:00:26am

re: #326 yochanan

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


I'm an old coot it's true, but let's not bandy that about - OK?

331 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:01:07am

re: #328 Erik The Red

Current top post is 58 dings. So(quick math) we need minimum of 26 to tie, or 27 for teh win.

332 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:02:21am

Good morning, everyone!

333 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:02:39am

re: #331 BlueCanuck

Current top post is 58 dings. So(quick math) we need minimum of 26 to tie, or 27 for teh win.

Who? Where? I'm game.

334 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:03:35am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

Okay, we are short 3 dings just to make it onto the top ten list. We need a little over 28 to get to number one. So here's the link to comment #164 to make it easy for every one. Start dinging folks. :)

Says it all.

335 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:03:42am

re: #333 SteveC

Who? Where? I'm game.

lol # 164

336 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:03:46am

re: #333 SteveC

upding #164

337 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:03:53am

Some very sad news from another Lizard.

As many of you know, BaseballMom57's husband has been battling health issues. I'm very sorry to tell you that he passed away yesterday. BaseballMom57 thanks everyone for their prayers and kind thoughts.

338 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:04:35am

re: #334 BlueCanuck

Says it all.

Paged up and found it. Gave generously.

339 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:04:59am

re: #337 goddessoftheclassroom

Some very sad news from another Lizard.

As many of you know, BaseballMom57's husband has been battling health issues. I'm very sorry to tell you that he passed away yesterday. BaseballMom57 thanks everyone for their prayers and kind thoughts.

That is sad. God Bless to her and her family.

340 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:05:57am

re: #337 goddessoftheclassroom

{BaseballMom57}

341 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:06:06am

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

342 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:06:50am

re: #341 MandyManners

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

I see that Australia is going to do the same thing.

343 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:07:11am

I've got to run--have a great day!

344 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:07:47am

re: #164 littleoldlady

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LOL!

345 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:07:52am

re: #343 goddessoftheclassroom

I've got to run--have a great day!

bye goddess

346 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:08:36am

re: #342 Erik The Red

I see that Australia is going to do the same thing.

Whose money?

347 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:08:37am

Bye {goddess}. Thanks for the update.

348 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:08:53am

re: #337 goddessoftheclassroom

{BaseballMom57}

I'm so sorry.

349 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:09:09am

re: #335 Erik The Red

For planning purposes: Orlando - today :80 and partly cloudy, tomorrow: 82 and mostly sunny. I'm sure you will appreciate this timely announcement as you sit by the pool.

350 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:09:44am

re: #347 BlueCanuck

BlueCanuck, how are you doing?

Remember we met a couple of months ago or so?

351 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:10:28am

re: #341 MandyManners

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

If we are speaking of the AIG mess, I was not that shocked to find out that dear leader knew about the bonuses before most people did (he is the Chosen One, after all) and only blew his stack later.

352 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:10:51am

re: #341 MandyManners

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

I thought that was the purpose of the tax code.
/

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:12:24am

re: #350 Josephine

Ah, back in December wasn't it? One of WriterMom's infamous Lizard Lunches. Forgive me, for being muddle headed.

354 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:12:33am

re: #341 MandyManners

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

Nor is it unusual to be loved by anyone, Tom Jones reminds me. I think I'd rather subscribe to Tom's philosophy.

355 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:13:23am

re: #351 SteveC

He probably hoped it wouldn't get noticed. Dodd wrote explicit language into the bill saying the bonuses were a go and Obama signed the bill. It's law now and there ain't no going back. Maybe he should have read it in the 4 days before he signed it.

356 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:14:40am

re: #353 BlueCanuck

Whos' muddle headed -- you're the one who remembered the month!

For me, anything past yesterday qualifies as "the other day".

(LOL)

Hope you've been enjoying the incredibly mild weather we've been having.

357 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:14:55am

re: #351 SteveC

If we are speaking of the AIG mess, I was not that shocked to find out that dear leader knew about the bonuses before most people did (he is the Chosen One, after all) and only blew his stack later.

He's promoting the outrage in order to deflect attention from himself.

358 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:15:05am

PIMF: Whos' s/b who's

359 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:16:22am

re: #352 Killer Tomato

I thought that was the purpose of the tax code.
/

I'm talking about certain, known individuals.

360 Panhandler  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:16:41am

re: #355 Panhandler

Or as ABC puts it: "I don't know how it got in there."

361 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:16:54am

re: #331 BlueCanuck

Current top post is 58 dings. So(quick math) we need minimum of 26 to tie, or 27 for teh win.

Here's another one...:)


Image: dinghy754.jpg

362 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:17:06am

re: #355 Panhandler

My new senator (feh) made a point during her campaign of talking about being a mom, raising a family, blah, blah, blah.
Before the stimulus bill was voted on, I pointed out to her that I was sure that as a mother she had cautioned her children to never sign any document they hadn't read and to be very sure to read and understand the fine print...
She didn't mention that in her canned response to my letter.

363 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:17:09am

re: #341 MandyManners

Is it not unusual to make a law to take money away from specific individuals?

It's unconstitutional to pass a bill of attainder.

364 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:17:41am

Why in the world am I receiving an e-mail from National Geographic about the new U2 movie opening at my local IMAX?

Ooooh, in 3-D, too! Now I'm even less interested than before!

/Saw Rolling Stones to the Max at an Imax theatre. I love the Stones, but the sight of a 15 foot tall Mick Jagger scared me nearly to death. I didn't have a drink for three months!

365 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:18:00am

re: #349 Panhandler

For planning purposes: Orlando - today :80 and partly cloudy, tomorrow: 82 and mostly sunny. I'm sure you will appreciate this timely announcement as you sit by the pool.

Thanks I have Orlando weather as a widget on my laptop.

366 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:18:19am

re: #354 SteveC

Nor is it unusual to be loved by anyone, Tom Jones reminds me. I think I'd rather subscribe to Tom's philosophy.

My second-favorite person from Wales. (Yma o hyd is No. one.)

Youtube Video
367 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:18:33am

re: #346 MandyManners

Whose money?

Let me see if I can find the link.

368 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:20:38am

re: #364 SteveC

Why in the world am I receiving an e-mail from National Geographic about the new U2 movie opening at my local IMAX?

Ooooh, in 3-D, too! Now I'm even less interested than before!

/Saw Rolling Stones to the Max at an Imax theatre. I love the Stones, but the sight of a 15 foot tall Mick Jagger scared me nearly to death. I didn't have a drink for three months!


Can I get a fifteen foot tall Tina Turner?
Pleeease?

369 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:20:45am

re: #364 SteveC

I saw that Stones movie at a big Imax theatre, too. It was good.

I'd be worried now that it would set off my vertigo.

I used to like U2 but I'm sick to death of Bono.

370 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:21:15am

re: #363 Jim in Virginia

It's unconstitutional to pass a bill of attainder.

Why does Congress think it can get away with it?

371 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:21:17am

Woohoo! Lol now at #10!

372 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:21:29am

re: #368 Jim in Virginia

Can I get a fifteen foot tall Tina Turner?
Pleeease?

You just want to be in the front row so you can look up her mini don't you///

373 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:21:43am

re: #361 Dustyvet

AUGH! Just went to whisk up some eggs for breakfast and they started screaming!

374 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:22:12am

re: #370 MandyManners

Why does Congress think it can get away with it?


This is theater. Bread and circuses.

375 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:22:34am

re: #356 Josephine

It's been wonderful. Actually getting out now while the sun is up. I have been lucky this week and have had an excuse to get out of the dungeon. Dog sitting is so much fun.

376 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:22:35am

I haven't been up early enough for an EMDT in a while. It's been fun.

Bye, folks. Hope you all have a good day.

377 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:22:50am

re: #374 Jim in Virginia

This is theater. Bread and circuses.

Wasn't that a trait of the Roman Empire before it fell?

378 Josephine  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:23:18am

re: #375 BlueCanuck

I'm glad to hear it! Hope to see you at another lunch sometime!

379 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:23:19am

re: #372 Erik The Red

There are two things about Tina I greatly admire...

380 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:24:56am

re: #367 Erik The Red

Let me see if I can find the link.

Ok not quite the same but here is what I was referring to.

High bonuses outlawed in Aus

381 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:25:05am

re: #372 Erik The Red

You just want to be in the front row so you can look up her mini don't you///

Is a mini for a 15 foot tall woman really a mini?

382 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:25:29am

re: #373 scottishbuzzsaw

AUGH! Just went to whisk up some eggs for breakfast and they started screaming!

LOL Egg abuser.

383 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:25:45am

re: #378 Josephine

I will try to get out to the next one. It's the night shift that screws me up. :p See you soon.

384 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:26:35am

re: #377 MandyManners

Wasn't that a trait of the Roman Empire before it fell?

Yup.
Faux outrage will quickly wear thin with the public. Appearing on Leno is not going to do any good. Next stop: Dr Phil, then Regis, then the View, Sally Jesse Rafael, and finally the local cable outlet talk show.

385 3 wood  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:26:53am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open lower as the futures are dow a few points and there will be some profit taking off of yesterday's rise.

It look's like the constant parade of bad economic news has ended in the MSM now that the Messiah needs for the economy to look better to avoid looking like a total fool.

Tim Geithner still has no clue what to do about the banking problems, which has been reflected by the TED spread rising signifying a growing perception of risk by the banks.

It has now been about a week since Geithner got the word from the White House to get his act together. I expect Obama to throw him under the buss as soon as he can figure out how to do it without looking ridiculous doing it.

386 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:27:15am

re: #164 littleoldlady

Happy Birthday littleoldlady!

387 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:29:25am

Okay folks, I am outta here. Don't forget ding up littleloldlady's comment #164. Stay Scaly.

388 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:29:25am

re: #373 scottishbuzzsaw

AUGH! Just went to whisk up some eggs for breakfast and they started screaming!


THE DIRTY DOZEN...SHELL SHOCK...

Youtube Video
389 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:29:31am

re: #385 3 wood

Thanks for the info.

390 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:29:49am

re: #380 Erik The Red

Ok not quite the same but here is what I was referring to.

High bonuses outlawed in Aus

I'm of mixed feelings about allowing the government to force those bonuses to be voted on by the shareholders.

391 razorbacker  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:30:03am

re: #350 Josephine

BlueCanuck, how are you doing?

Remember we met a couple of months ago or so?

I was talking to my daughter and mentioned something that had happened 'A few years ago.'

She rolled her eyes, sighed and in her best there-there-poor-thing-you-just-sit-over-here-and-try-not-to-hurt-yourself voice said, "Dad, I was in high school. It was twenty years ago."

Humph. Someone better watch their mouth, someone had. It wasn't this year, it wasn't last year, it wasn't a century ago. It was a few years ago.

Like I said.

392 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:30:13am

re: #387 BlueCanuck

Okay folks, I am outta here. Don't forget ding up littleloldlady's comment #164. Stay Scaly.

Later Blue.

393 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:30:52am

re: #370 MandyManners

Because congress is a bunch of morons.

394 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:31:02am

re: #384 Jim in Virginia

Yup.
Faux outrage will quickly wear thin with the public. Appearing on Leno is not going to do any good. Next stop: Dr Phil, then Regis, then the View, Sally Jesse Rafael, and finally the local cable outlet talk show.

Is CCN talking up the fact that he knew or should have known about the contractual obligation to pay those bonuses and that it was addressed by Dodd?

395 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:31:44am

re: #385 3 wood

"Get your act together" and throwing folks under the bus is all this administration knows about the economy.

The Democrats fail to see their own culpability in this and still think that the election gives them a mandate on everything including economic behavior.

396 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:32:33am

re: #393 Ojoe

Because congress is a bunch of morons.

Is this another chance to use a crisis in order to increase the federal government's power?

397 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:32:38am

re: #390 MandyManners

I'm of mixed feelings about allowing the government to force those bonuses to be voted on by the shareholders.

I have a huge problem with it and the whole AIG bonus story. If it is in their contracts it must be paid. 44 is making the rules up after the fact.

398 3 wood  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:33:34am

The Fed. is also having it's problems:
Fed Wrestles Over How to Inject Credit Into Economy

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve policy makers will likely determine today that the U.S. recession is still deepening, while clashing on what to do about it.

Officials will debate how to provide further stimulus to the economy, from purchasing more mortgage bonds to buying Treasury securities. They’ll also keep the benchmark interest rate as low as zero percent, according to all 71 forecasters in a Bloomberg News survey.

At least three of the 17 top Fed officials want to buy Treasuries or target the supply of money, while Chairman Ben S. Bernanke has favored reviving specific credit markets. Central banks worldwide are grappling with how to set policy when rates are near zero; the Bank of England started buying government debt this month, and the Bank of Japan said today it would increase its purchases of sovereign bonds.

“There are big philosophical differences” among Fed policy makers, said Ethan Harris, co-head of economic research at Barclays Capital Inc. “Bernanke is on the very activist side, believing in active, aggressive policies. There are others who think policies should be much more limited, with minimal disruption in the operations of the free market.”

The disturbing thing about this debate within the Fed, is not that it is happening, but rather that someone "inside" is obviously running their yaps to the press about it. This should be being kept in-house and quiet. The fact that this type of thing has existed at the Fed since Bernanke became chair is a mjor cause for concern. It shows a lack of discipline internally and a lack of respect for the Chair.

Bernanke needs to whack someone's knuckles but good, however I think he is more concerned about looking "scholarly" to the MSM than actually running a tight ship at the Fed.

399 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:33:44am

re: #396 MandyManners

It is a chance for the people to wake up and throw the morons out ZZzzz.

400 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:33:53am

re: #384 Jim in Virginia

Yup.
Faux outrage will quickly wear thin with the public. Appearing on Leno is not going to do any good. Next stop: Dr Phil, then Regis, then the View, Sally Jesse Rafael, and finally the local cable outlet talk show.

"Next on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, we're in the nation's capitol to check out this comfy little place on Pennsylvania Avenue..."

/Yes he would

401 3 wood  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:34:21am

re: #389 Ojoe

My pleasure :)

402 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:34:27am

re: #377 MandyManners

Wasn't that a trait of the Roman Empire before it fell?

At least the Romans had nice Italian bread and the occasional circus. All we're getting is bright colors and flashing lights. And an unpleasant smell.

403 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:37:07am

re: #402 Pullus Iulius

At least the Romans had nice Italian bread and the occasional circus. All we're getting is bright colors and flashing lights. And an unpleasant smell.

Sounds like your average crime scene.

404 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:37:31am

re: #396 MandyManners

Is this another chance to use a crisis in order to increase the federal government's power?

Everything and anything that can possibly be termed a 'crisis' will be used to increase the federal government's power.
The crisis of obesity! The crisis of toothdecay! The crisis of overdue library books! The crisis of people tearing tags off of mattresses!
It's government by crisis.
Hell, you and I could do a better job than this bunch, even if we were drunk the entire time.

405 3 wood  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:37:58am

re: #395 unclassifiable

T

he Democrats fail to see their own culpability in this and still think that the election gives them a mandate on everything including economic behavior.

Well they have the MSM running cover for them 24/7 (and Kathleen Parker, you can go screw yourself sidweways m'kay? You're part of the reason the MSM is dying too, you under talented waste of printing ink.).

406 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:38:17am

re: #398 3 wood

I think he is more concerned about looking "scholarly" to the MSM

The MSM and the mentally lazy masses content to have their thoughts ready made for them, is quite a hinge upon which much turns.

407 3 wood  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:38:31am

Got to go to work to pay for my neighbors house.

Later.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:39:49am

Well hell, no time this morning. Good day all you fine lizards. Avanti? You too.

Jon Stewart skewered 0bama's "outrage" last night. Said..."That's outrage? You mean you've been pissed at us the whole time? It's the same as you always are..."

409 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:39:54am

re: #397 Erik The Red

I have a huge problem with it and the whole AIG bonus story. If it is in their contracts it must be paid. 44 is making the rules up after the fact.

Maybe this is what the private sector needs to start policing itself better.

410 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:40:58am

re: #399 Ojoe

It is a chance for the people to wake up and throw the morons out ZZzzz.

Why do I feel like a chicken knowing that the fox is out there?

411 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:41:14am

re: #396 MandyManners

Is this another chance to use a crisis in order to increase the federal government's power?

Well of course. They didn't plan it (they ain't that smart) but they will use it as they can.

412 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:41:57am

re: #402 Pullus Iulius

At least the Romans had nice Italian bread and the occasional circus. All we're getting is bright colors and flashing lights. And an unpleasant smell.

Sounds like the areas behind the tents at a circus or carnival.

413 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:42:10am

BBL when the dawn breaks on the San Gabriels.

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:42:29am

re: #396 MandyManners

Remember, plural for crisis, is crises.

415 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:43:58am

Good job Lizards. We all gave lol her birthday wish. To be in the top comments today. She made it. Lets see if we can push her to #1

416 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:44:26am

re: #404 Killer Tomato

Everything and anything that can possibly be termed a 'crisis' will be used to increase the federal government's power.
The crisis of obesity! The crisis of toothdecay! The crisis of overdue library books! The crisis of people tearing tags off of mattresses!
It's government by crisis.
Hell, you and I could do a better job than this bunch, even if we were drunk the entire time.

I wonder what Richard Cloward and Frances Piven think of current events.

417 razorbacker  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:44:28am

re: #398 3 wood

I thought that was SOP for the Fed. Leakers leak this or that internal 'inside baseball', often competeing with the official line, and if everyone notes with approval they start to gradually move that way.

418 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:45:28am

re: #385 3 wood


It has now been about a week since Geithner got the word from the White House to get his act together. I expect Obama to throw him under the buss as soon as he can figure out how to do it without looking ridiculous doing it.

Dustyvet's link upthread predicts Friday March 27, 3 pm.

419 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:45:47am

re: #411 Jim in Virginia

Well of course. They didn't plan it (they ain't that smart) but they will use it as they can.

And they say capitalism exploits people!

420 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:46:14am

re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember, plural for crisis, is crises.

And, what's the plural of "penis"?

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:46:20am

re: #407 3 wood

Got to go to work to pay for my neighbors house.

And your neighbor still gets to think that you're the asshole. Really. It's written into the legislation.

422 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:46:28am

re: #415 Erik The Red

Good job Lizards. We all gave lol her birthday wish. To be in the top comments today. She made it. Lets see if we can push her to #1

I only regret that I have but one upding to give to the cause.

423 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:47:40am

re: #420 MandyManners

And, what's the plural of "penis"?

Pricks or dicks///
Ducks

424 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:48:06am

re: #416 MandyManners

I wonder what Richard Cloward and Frances Piven think of current events.

They're probably handing out little gold stars to their students. Or would they be red stars?

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:48:40am

re: #420 MandyManners

Have never needed to use that one. I'll use crises a lot.

"Gosh, what a wonderful selection of peepees?"

How's that?

426 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:48:43am

Good morning all, and happy birthday (((Little Old Lady!)))

427 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:49:40am

re: #420 MandyManners

Congress?

428 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:50:26am

re: #420 MandyManners

Men.

429 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:51:05am

re: #426 Chicago Blonde

Good morning all, and happy birthday (((Little Old Lady!)))

Morning CB

430 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:51:48am

re: #420 MandyManners

And, what's the plural of "penis"?

Check it.

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:52:37am

Penises or Penes

432 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:52:47am

re: #424 Killer Tomato

They're probably handing out little gold stars to their students. Or would they be red stars?

Red.

433 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:53:28am

The funny folks at LGF never cease to amuse and amaze me.

434 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:53:39am

re: #405 3 wood

I've just learned to lump the MSM in with the donks.

When I want to see what the DNC is thinking I just read the local newspaper's website. They WANT to sell me their opinion in the form of a daily slag of dead tree material but I won't do it.

First you pumped your own gas. Then you started checking yourself in at the airport. Now you have to parse and edit your own news.

No matter how much the Ds want a nanny government the rest of the world seems to be marching towards DIY.

On another front I am just sad and sorry that the previous administration started this bailout by fiat stuff. It gave the donks leverage to use this as an opportunity to shower their bigshot backers after years in the wilderness (where they should have stayed and died). I still maintain this was better handled by an expanded and funded FDIC than by Paulson.

I like George Bush but that was a mistake.

435 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:55:19am

re: #426 Chicago Blonde

Morning CB

436 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:55:43am

Morning Erik!

Right now I'm drinking coffee and listening to "Ride of the Valkyries" - not working. Not waking up.

437 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:56:17am

Morning Rightside!

438 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:57:10am

re: #436 Chicago Blonde

Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit...

439 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:58:15am

re: #438 Killer Tomato

Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit...

I've got to say, coming here helps... :)

440 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 4:59:36am

re: #436 Chicago Blonde

Morning Erik!

Right now I'm drinking coffee and listening to "Ride of the Valkyries" - not working. Not waking up.

Here you go...this should help...:)


Youtube Video
441 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:00:19am

re: #439 Chicago Blonde

I've got to say, coming here helps... :)

Spitting hares...:)

442 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:00:37am
443 Mithrax  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:01:16am

re: #440 Dustyvet

First call...and they're at the post...and...they're off...everyone else jumps out to an early lead, while Mithrax lags way behind...looks like he's on the buffet tonight at LGF Downs!

444 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:01:47am

re: #440 Dustyvet

That was perfect, thank you! LOL! And Mr. Blonde woke up just as it came through so I played it for him too.

445 Dustyvet  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:02:18am

re: #444 Chicago Blonde

That was perfect, thank you! LOL! And Mr. Blonde woke up just as it came through so I played it for him too.

Hee Hee hee...:)

446 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:02:21am

If I were Edward Liddy (CEO of AIG) I'd read Dodd and FCBBHO the riot act when I went before Congress today. I'd say that both of them knew about the bonuses, that Dodd wrote the fucking exemption. I'd also tell how much my company had contributed to each of them.

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:03:29am

re: #446 MandyManners

The whole idea of these guys taking on the chin without punching back never ceases to amaze me.

448 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:04:09am

Also, I'd specifically mention Gibbs' performance at that press conference Monday.

449 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:04:39am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The whole idea of these guys taking on the chin without punching back never ceases to amaze me.

What are feds gonna' do? Tax their bonuses?

450 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:06:16am

re: #446 MandyManners


Why doesn't more of these CEO's do that? I can't think of any off the top of my head. They grovel before those morons. Why on earth can't they publicly humiliate those fucks by schooling them on how the economy really works? I would go nuts on them, and point out how every thing congress sticks it greasy fingers into, turns into a big pile of shit.

451 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:08:09am

re: #450 rightside

Why doesn't more of these CEO's do that? I can't think of any off the top of my head. They grovel before those morons. Why on earth can't they publicly humiliate those fucks by schooling them on how the economy really works? I would go nuts on them, and point out how every thing congress sticks it greasy fingers into, turns into a big pile of shit.

There's being polite and there's being a doormat.

452 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:10:05am

re: #451 MandyManners


I pay their salaries, not the other way around. They work for us. When they fuck things up, I will politely let them know.

453 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:11:33am

re: #445 Dustyvet

Back...I ate them anyway...ear plugs helped. ;>)

454 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:11:57am

re: #452 rightside

I pay their salaries, not the other way around.

AMEN!

455 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:12:24am

I mailed a required yearly form to the local government office three years ago - they claimed they never got it. Took three months to figure that one out.

Mailed the form two years ago, by Certified Mail. They claimed they didn't get it. When I waved the post office receipt in their face, they backed down... then claimed I had used the wrong data.

HAND DELIVERED the form last year, they claimed I had never filed the form.

This year, it was hand delivered again. I asked the receptionist for a receipt saying that she had received it. They don't do that. So I told her "That envelope isn't sealed very well, if I could get it back for a second, I'll make sure it's closed." I put it in a larger envelope, sealed it, and wrote my name in big magic marker letters across the front.

When she took the envelope from me, out came my camera phone and snapped her photo. NOW tell me that you didn't receive it!

456 opnion  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:12:53am

Good Morning Lizards. More St. Pat's frivolity at the White House yesterday.
First Obama makes the President of Brazil move up his meeting a couple of days, so that the Obama's have St. Pat's free. Then he has the Shannon Rovers bagpipes to the White House. The kicker, Michelle has the fountain spout green water.
I don't get it & I love St. Pats Dat.

457 razorbacker  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:13:13am

I've been mulling this whole vets having to pay for their own hospital care thing, wondering how on earth someone so supposedly political savvy could be so politically ignorant.

It occurrs to me that this may well be the result of an insular, echo-chamber style that actually demonstrates the out of touchedness that was reputed to B43's White House.

They don't like the military. Their friends don't like the military. No one that they know likes the military. Therefore no one likes the military, and wounded vets are not to be considered in any way.

Hope not. But it makes as much sense as anything else that I've heard to try to explain it.

458 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:13:50am

re: #452 rightside

I pay their salaries, not the other way around. They work for us. When they fuck things up, I will politely let them know.

I hope shareholders in private companies start doing that about these gargantuan bonuses.

459 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:14:07am

Gotta' get the day rolling. bbl

460 Killer Tomato  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:14:14am

re: #439 Chicago Blonde

I've got to say, coming here helps... :)

Hey, we try!

And now I need to go jump start the economy - off to work!

Later, all!

461 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:14:41am

re: #450 rightside

It's part of the Washingtonian social contract. If you go up before a committee, just present your prepared spiel and allow each congressman to do his puffed-up demagogue thing. Then look properly chastened and go back home. The news cycle and the permanent state of crisis take care of the rest. Think about how often we see this. Rarely fails.

462 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:15:00am

re: #453 scottishbuzzsaw

Morning Scottishbuzzsaw! Those must have been some fresh eggs! :)

I think I'll have some granola - I wanna hear something crunch between my molars this morning.

463 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:17:03am

re: #462 Chicago Blonde

Morning Scottishbuzzsaw! Those must have been some fresh eggs! :)

I think I'll have some granola - I wanna hear something crunch between my molars this morning.

I heard crunching, too...hard to get all the eggshells out of the bowl. ;>)

Good morning, Chicago Blonde!

464 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:17:33am

re: #456 opnion

The kicker, Michelle has the fountain spout green water.
I don't get it & I love St. Pats Dat.

Tossing Green dye into the fountain: $1.80

Importing actual green water from the Chicago River: 143,736.68

I betcha they trucked it in... or made 3000 leprechauns urinate in the fountain!

465 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:17:39am

re: #457 razorbacker

I've been mulling this whole vets having to pay for their own hospital care thing, wondering how on earth someone so supposedly political savvy could be so politically ignorant.

It occurrs to me that this may well be the result of an insular, echo-chamber style that actually demonstrates the out of touchedness that was reputed to B43's White House.

They don't like the military. Their friends don't like the military. No one that they know likes the military. Therefore no one likes the military, and wounded vets are not to be considered in any way.

Hope not. But it makes as much sense as anything else that I've heard to try to explain it.

I don't think its politically ignorant, I think its economically ignorant coupled with a "lets stick it to the evil insurance companies that are the reason healthcare cost is so high". I seriously question whether the Obama administration understands that profitability is determined by income minus expenses. They seem to think those are two independent numbers. They also don't understand that profit and earnings are the same thing (remember Obama's "profit [sic] to earnings ratio"?)

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:17:51am

Happy Birthday, Little Old Lady.

Y'all be good to each other today.

467 irish rose  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:20:04am

Good morning, dear friends.

St. Patricks' day is over... I'm hung over, burned out and slumped over my laptop with a cup of black coffee trying to motivate myself off the sofa.

The partys' over... back to my regularly scheduled daily outrage.
Looks like there's no shortage of outrageous material today to get the ball rolling. I'll start with AIG, and work my way down the list.

Happy Birthday, Little Old Lady!

468 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:20:25am

re: #455 SteveC

Excellent. You could have also had a notary witness the transaction, and have them sign something to that effect. Sucks you have to go that far though.

469 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:23:07am

Happy Birthday LittleOldLady!

470 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:24:58am

re: #467 irish rose

Morning Irish Rose!

But you had fun, right? :)

471 irish rose  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:27:59am

re: #470 Chicago Blonde

Morning Irish Rose!

But you had fun, right? :)

Hell, yes!

472 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:28:26am
473 razorbacker  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:28:48am

It has been noted by smarter folks than me that really big business doesn't like capitalism that much.

That whole getting out and competing in the marketplace is dangerous. Customers are fickle, apt to switch their allegiance from one product to another just because the competition has begun to offer a better widget. Research and development is hit and miss, you might sink billions into what proves to be another dry hole. That might mess up the quarterly numbers and lead to embarrassing sessions with the stockholders at the next meeting.

No, much more efficient and easier simply to buy enough politicians to pass rules and regulations favoring your specific company and avoid that messy, inefficient capitalistic tug-of-war. Then you see bankers contribute 3.6 million to a presidential candidate and get billions and billions in taxpayer largesse in return.

474 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:28:58am

re: #467 irish rose

re: #469 Lee Coller

Morning make sure up up ding lol's #164.

475 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:30:44am

ALWAYS wear a helmet when playing the violin!

476 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:33:20am

re: #475 scottishbuzzsaw

ALWAYS wear a helmet when playing the violin!

LOL. Maybe they should clean up the room next time they want to put a video on youtube.

477 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:33:23am

re: #455 SteveC

Hi SteveC, and I share your pain!

Similar situation with me - as an RN I have to renew my registration each year to work in this state, and I always go into the Registration Baord in the city to do this

Three years ago, apparently according to them I didn't fill in a form which details any criminal convictions I might have gathered over the previous year - which is ridiculous as my rego payment would not have been accepted back then when I paid up in person, at the Rego Board office

Since then I have filled in that same form twice with my annual registration (in person at their office), and had a criminal history check before a course I did this year, and yet I'm getting letters stating I'm in big trouble, I'll be deregistered etc because of that form from three years ago!

Now I've called, spoken to a very sympathetic lady there, who of course blames the computer :-)

I've mailed this form, faxed it, and each month I get another letter demanding I complete that form!

478 Irish Rose  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:34:11am

re: #475 scottishbuzzsaw

ALWAYS wear a helmet when playing the violin!

LMAO!

479 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:35:11am

re: #475 scottishbuzzsaw


Morning to you, Scottish

480 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:36:05am

re: #476 Erik The Red

LOL. Maybe they should clean up the room next time they want to put a video on youtube.

Housekeeping is highly overrated...

481 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:36:44am

re: #479 rightside

Morning to you, Scottish

Good morning, rightside! How are you today?

482 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:37:12am

Good morning all. How goes it today?

483 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:38:22am

re: #481 scottishbuzzsaw

I'm great thanks, hope you are too.

re: #482 VioletTiger

Good Morning.

484 powerplay  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:38:42am

re: #478 Irish Rose

LMAO!

I kept waiting for the big enormous crash that never happened...

485 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:39:18am

re: #164 littleoldlady
Happy Birthday!

486 Irish Rose  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:39:31am

re: #484 powerplay

I kept waiting for the big enormous crash that never happened...

She's going to be a lot of fun on St. Patricks' day, when she fills out a bit more.

487 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:41:23am

re: #85 M. Bensson-Levi

[snip] The engineers have done a great job of eliminating the "shade tree mechanics". Fook 'em all!

Replacing an alternator ought to be a 20 minute job. Took me a week on my daughter's '92 Honda Civic. With ALL the attachment bolts removed, the thing still wouldn't move, until I applied a 2 ton hydraulic jack to the alternator, via a short 2x4, against the weight of the vehicle. After it came loose, then came the hard part. There was nowhere enough space to remove it from the vehicle. Had to dismount the master cylinder and then BEND brake lines in order to make room between the engine and firewall.

A couple weeks later, the Honda was T-boned and totaled, but that's another story. Thanks in part to great design/construction of frame and door, there were no serious injuries. So I have mixed feelings about modern car design.

488 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:41:25am

re: #476 Erik The Red

re: #480 scottishbuzzsaw

I decided to have Mother's Day at my house one year, and after making enough chicken fajitas to feed the Roman Armies, cleaned the whole house as if it were an operating room. The house sparkled for an hour, til everyone came and when my sister-in-law started petting the dog and he started shedding right there on the freshly-scrubbed floor. You could see the hair flying off him like the dirt flying off Pig-Pen. I gave up.

Of course I do it, but not only is it overrated, it's ENDLESS. And sometimes POINTLESS! :)

489 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:44:22am

We have lol at #3 in the comments. Only 13 more up dings to #1.

490 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:44:28am

re: #488 Chicago Blonde

re: #480 scottishbuzzsaw

I decided to have Mother's Day at my house one year, and after making enough chicken fajitas to feed the Roman Armies, cleaned the whole house as if it were an operating room. The house sparkled for an hour, til everyone came and when my sister-in-law started petting the dog and he started shedding right there on the freshly-scrubbed floor. You could see the hair flying off him like the dirt flying off Pig-Pen. I gave up.

Of course I do it, but not only is it overrated, it's ENDLESS. And sometimes POINTLESS! :)


You need a Furminator.
[Link: www.discountpetmedicines.com...]

They come in cat and dog sizes and they really cut down in shedding (and hairballs). You won't believe the hair you get off of those critters.

491 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #490 VioletTiger

Morning Violet Tiger!
I need a Furminator and a Roomba.
Our cats may like the Roomba too!

492 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:49:27am

On Fox now, a bit about narcissistic personality disorder. They say celebrities and reality TV people have it. Have they analyzed our President?

493 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:49:34am

re: #491 Chicago Blonde

Our cats may like the Roomba too!

ROTFLMAO!

494 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:50:46am

re: #491 Chicago Blonde

Morning Violet Tiger!
I need a Furminator and a Roomba.
Our cats may like the Roomba too!


Cute! I think my cats would run away from it. They hate the vacuum, especially the Shark.

495 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:51:19am

Good motning all, just in from work.
Had a wonderful time talking with a soon-to-be Dem. politician.
He aint half bad!

496 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:52:25am

Is Hoosier Hoops here yet?

I have his new golfing partner.

497 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:53:03am

Only a few moments before I have to run off and do things to advance the human race, but before that, let's stimulate the economy:

If you have moved up to a Kindle 2 and aren't using your Kindle 1, I'd like to purchase it if the price is right. It needs to be in good working order and have all the required cables and the charger. The leather cover would be a nice bonus, but isn't necessary. I can Paypal, Personal Check, or even Credit Card, if you can handle that.

My nic is all blue... just for you! Drop me a line and let's talk about it.

498 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:53:32am

re: #494 VioletTiger

Cute! I think my cats would run away from it. They hate the vacuum, especially the Shark.

The cats run and hide. The dog thinks he's saving me - he tries body-checking the thing and barking at it, warning me away from the evil noisy monster. *sigh*

499 srb1976  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:53:33am

Morning folks, at 8 am here it's now officially too late to try to get some sleep... small people and better half sleeping sound (i'm a little jealous)

Hope everyone had a good night

500 SteveC  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:55:03am

re: #492 VioletTiger

On Fox now, a bit about narcissistic personality disorder. They say celebrities and reality TV people have it. Have they analyzed our President?

"President Obama? Narcissistic? No way, man, no way. I've been a TV news reporter for 20 years, and he's not like that. He acts like me!"

501 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:58:13am

re: #500 SteveC

"President Obama? Narcissistic? No way, man, no way. I've been a TV news reporter for 20 years, and he's not like that. He acts like me!"

Well what would you expect from Fox. I'll bet those truthtellers at MSNBC or CNN would never tell us President Obama is narcissistic.///

502 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:58:49am

re: #457 razorbacker

I've been mulling this whole vets having to pay for their own hospital care thing, wondering how on earth someone so supposedly political savvy could be so politically ignorant.

It occurrs to me that this may well be the result of an insular, echo-chamber style that actually demonstrates the out of touchedness that was reputed to B43's White House.

They don't like the military. Their friends don't like the military. No one that they know likes the military. Therefore no one likes the military, and wounded vets are not to be considered in any way.

Hope not. But it makes as much sense as anything else that I've heard to try to explain it.

Good morning, Lizards.

(Happy Birthday, littleoldlady! :-) )

I've been thinking about this, too. And I have come up with two possibilities- neither of which I like. To wit;

1. Here in OH, the Strickland administration has privatized Medicaid for the poor with three HMOs; the one handling this part of the state is named CareSource. Before getting the contract, CareSource was on most consumer groups' s**t list for incompetence, inattention, and general head-up-a$$edness. The other two HMOs picked had similar reps. There are quite a few people in community services around here who think that these HMOs were picked in the hopes that they would fail, thus "strengthening" the case for government-run health care over the private sector kind. The One's plan for the veterans may be a similar ploy. That's the simple, and direct, if cynical possibility.

2. Here's the sinister one. In Heinlein's Starship Troopers, it was stated that (1) you had to serve in the military to vote, but (2) those on active duty were not allowed to do so- only military retirees were eligible for the franchise. (Please follow carefully here, as this is a bit twisted.)

What if The One wants to deprive veterans of health care as a way of punishing them for doing something he disapproves of? Is it possible that, once he has deprived them of government-funded care, and created a nationalized medical system on the British (i.e., non-functional) model, he'll then say, "It's free for everybody- except military veterans, who are not eligible due to having already been put under a different system."

He might consider this a suitable "perverse incentive" to discourage young people from joining the military. In effect, legislating his version of morality by saying, "If you put on a uniform, and serve in the military, what happens to you then is your own responsibility-especially if you get hurt."

"However, join my National Peace Corps and you get free everything, forever."

As I said, this is twisted. And it tells you just how paranoid I am.

But unfortunately, nothing I see from The One would really surprise me. Unless, of course, he did something right, purely by accident.

cheers (sort of)

eon

503 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 5:59:25am

Home, just checking in to see the progress of littleoldlady's fruitcup. Lo and behold it's number 2. Come on folks, just 11 more for number one.

/my math is more accurate this time. :p

504 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:00:33am

Bush refuses to criticize Obama

Class & dignity. Especially when considering how Obama seems to blame the "previous administration" for every problem he "inherited".

505 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:01:14am

I need to leave in a few minutes.

If you have not up dinged lol's comment #164 please do so. Only 11 more and she is at number one and I can stop pimping for her.

506 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:01:41am

re: #504 Kenneth

That is classy, isn't it?

507 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:02:16am

re: #505 Erik The Red

psst, I need an energy pak ;)

508 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:02:55am

re: #505 Erik The Red

Have a great day Erik!

509 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:03:12am

re: #492 VioletTiger

Barack Obama - Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?

510 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:03:14am

re: #503 BlueCanuck

Home, just checking in to see the progress of littleoldlady's fruitcup. Lo and behold it's number 2. Come on folks, just 11 more for number one.

/my math is more accurate this time. :p

I was going to call you out on that earlier but figured you were just tired.

511 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:04:04am

re: #504 Kenneth

Bush refuses to criticize Obama

Class & dignity. Especially when considering how Obama seems to blame the "previous administration" for every problem he "inherited".

Not to mention;

1. Proving that he's a bigger man than Bill Clinton. (Not that it would take much to accomplish that.)

2. The Exalted One needs no one else's "help"- he seems quite capable of self-destructing on his own.

/Forget Jimmy Carter- we may now be finding out what it would have been like to have Ted Kennedy in the Oval Office, circa 1970.

cheers

eon

512 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:04:05am

I already dinged her and i forgot to say
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, littleoldlady!
May your day be bright and cheery,
devoid of DC antics!

513 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:06:44am

re: #507 BlueCanuck

psst, I need an energy pak ;)

Sent. How do you get that small writing whisper?
Glad you are here you can take over the duties of getting lol to #1. I need to leave in a few.

514 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:07:02am

re: #511 eon

Not to mention;

1. Proving that he's a bigger man than Bill Clinton. (Not that it would take much to accomplish that.)

2. The Exalted One needs no one else's "help"- he seems quite capable of self-destructing on his own.

/Forget Jimmy Carter- we may now be finding out what it would have been like to have Ted Kennedy in the Oval Office, circa 1970.

cheers

eon


Not to mention that Bush probably wants to be NO WHERE NEAR this toxic man.

515 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:08:00am

When is a bailout not a bailout?

As applied to AIG, the word "bailout" is losing its meaning. The common equity is destroyed, so the owners of the company -- the people normally bailed out in a bailout -- lost everything (as well they should have). Lots of people have lost their jobs. It is actually a company in a form of (orderly?) non-bankruptcy liquidation or receivorship. The countless billions pumped into AIG since the fall have gone right back out the door to pay creditors of AIG, many of which are big financial institutions that would have taken much larger losses (and needed more capital from some source, probably the government) if AIG had defaulted. From this perspective, AIG is nothing more than a conduit for the government to distribute money to financial institutions without making new investments in them. Whether that is a bug or a feature depends on whether you want the government to own much larger stakes in all these companies, but this much is difficult to refute: The "bailout" in question is not of AIG, but of the counterparties of AIG.

516 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:08:21am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Happy Birthday littleoldlady :-)

News on the financial front here...

Shareholders to have greater say over executive bonuses - new laws coming

SHAREHOLDERS are to have a greater say over massive golden parachutes for executives, under proposed laws.

Treasurer Wayne Swan has also set up a nine-month inquiry into whether Australian executives are paid too much by world standards and whether bonuses are contributing to reckless corporate decisions.

It follows world-wide anger against huge executive salaries and payouts.

This week US President Barack Obama slammed the $252 million in bonuses paid to executives of American International Group despite a US taxpayer bailout of $275 billion.

518 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:08:59am

re: #513 Erik The Red

Ancient LeePro secret. Thanks, needed that. I will probably hitting the sack shortly myself.

519 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:09:53am

re: #514 Wishing

Not to mention that Bush probably wants to be NO WHERE NEAR this toxic man.

Good point. Upding.

cheers

eon

520 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:09:56am

re: #517 Ojoe

The eastern ridges of the San Gabriel Mountains standing against the dawn of 18 March, A.D. 2009

Good Morning All.

g'day, Ojoe

521 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:10:05am

re: #509 Kenneth


Barack Obama - Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?

I read all about this during the election. I am convinced he is a narcissist.

522 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:10:15am

re: #518 BlueCanuck

Ancient LeePro secret. Thanks, needed that. I will probably hitting the sack shortly myself.

I will be asking for one later/or my tomorrow morning.

523 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:11:10am

re: #518 BlueCanuck

Ancient LeePro secret. Thanks, needed that. I will probably hitting the sack shortly myself.

Share secret please. E mail me.

524 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:11:32am

re: #520 Wishing

Cool avatar!

525 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:12:54am

re: #524 Ojoe

Cool avatar!

Why thank you! It was from a zooborn type site.
I have one somewhere of a monkey, a real primate, not much bigger.

526 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:13:12am

re: #523 Erik The Red

Will do.

527 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:14:16am

German teens drawn to neo-Nazi groups - study

Many politicians fear a resurgence of right-wing extremism as unemployment creeps higher in Germany, which is facing its deepest recession since World War Two. Government figures have shown anti-Semitic crimes rose at the end of last year.

right wing? how about left-wing - Left-wing would be more accurate.

528 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:15:02am

re: #521 VioletTiger

Me too. I reposted that for the benefit of Avanti.

529 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:15:25am

re: #526 BlueCanuck

Will do.

Could I please get in on the secret? Always wondered on how to make words little like that

Thanks in advance!

530 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:15:59am

7 more lizards. Pull out the socks and up ding lol # 164.

531 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:16:35am

re: #527 FrogMarch

The leftwing marxist journalists like to insist the Nazis were "right wing" when in fact they were another version of left wing totalitarianism.

532 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:16:42am

re: #529 aussiemagpie

Will forward to you aussie when I get it. :)

533 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:16:54am

So, how about the fact that the sitting President is going to head onto late night television... Incredible... He really IS the American Idol President...

Talk about demeaning the Office of the Presidency...

534 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:17:07am

Barry strikes again.

And exactly what would have been said if GWB did this?

But since it is the messiah, crickets.

535 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:17:35am

re: #515 Kenneth

Where I'm from, we call that money laundering.

Avanti is hopeless. He's comic relief.

536 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:18:38am

re: #534 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Barry strikes again.

And exactly what would have been said if GWB did this?

But since it is the messiah, crickets.

It just cracks me up when Rush says he has invited Obama's teleprompter to a debate.
LOL

537 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:18:55am

Tigerhawk on the credit crisis:

Why was there so much capital that needed to be invested? Because politicians and central bankers the world over responded to every relatively minor contraction in the last twenty-five years (the Crash of '87, the real estate/S&L bust of the early nineties, the Asian crisis of the late nineties, the post 9/11 recession, and so forth) with more easy money. At every turn our solution to economic discomfort has been to create even more credit rather than to deflate the smaller bubbles that built up. The result is that credit has been growing faster than the world's economy -- an inherently unsustainable condition -- for most of a quarter of a century. We are paying the price today for having made the political decision to avoid or mitigate recessions past with more credit.

So what's the Obama admin doing to respond to the financial crisis? Throwing yet more cash at the problem.

538 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:19:03am

re: #534 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Barry strikes again.

And exactly what would have been said if GWB did this?

But since it is the messiah, crickets.

If it was GWB we'd never hear the end of it and Jon Stewart would go on and on about it on his stupid show.

539 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:19:09am

re: #536 Wishing

It just cracks me up when Rush says he has invited Obama's teleprompter to a debate.
LOL

Sure... why deal with the middleman.

Go straight to the source.

540 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:19:40am

re: #529 aussiemagpie

Hmmm, we are friended on face book right.

/checks score card...

541 MJ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:20:00am

Gawd, even Maureen Dowd has noticed!

"Barack Obama even needs a teleprompter to get mad".

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

542 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:20:48am

re: #517 Ojoe

The eastern ridges of the San Gabriel Mountains standing against the dawn of 18 March, A.D. 2009

Good Morning All.

Morning Ojoe, greqt pic as always!

Of course, as I learned in college, it's 2009 C.E. Ugh

543 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:21:09am

re: #534 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Barry strikes again.

And exactly what would have been said if GWB did this?

But since it is the messiah, crickets.

Uh, did you see the picture of the One below it? And I did hear about this on Fox this morning, but I bet it will be the only outfit to report it. Geez, it makes it clear he is just a robot reading a screen.

544 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:21:09am

More news from Melbourne, Victoria

Another earthquake rocks the city, second one in 12 days

VICTORIANS were struck by another earth tremor today, with shakes reported from Coldstream to South Gippsland.

The quake was felt just before 4.30pm in Broadford, Coldstream, Caulfield, West Heidelberg, Heathmont, Richmond, North Sunshine, Cheltenham, Keysborough, South Gippsland, Seaford, Moe and Patterson Lakes.

The SES reported the quake measured 4.6 on the Richter scale and was centred 5km northwest of Korumburra, 17km underground.

So far, emergency services have not received any reports of serious damage.

Bec Paterson was working at the Korumburra Newsagency when the quake hit.

"Everything started shaking and I thought everything was going to fall off the shelves, but luckily we only lost a box of chocolates," she said.

"It felt worse than the first one a couple of weeks ago, I think because it started and was full on rather than getting worse gradually."

Poor box of chocolates...

545 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:21:46am

re: #527 FrogMarch

German teens drawn to neo-Nazi groups - study


right wing? how about left-wing - Left-wing would be more accurate.

Being slightly to the right of Stalin makes one right-wing, don'tcha know...mornin' FrogMarch!

546 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:22:05am
547 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:23:06am

re: #546 Iron Fist

Have I said that we're fucked yet, today? Maybe, maybe not, so here goes.

We are so totally fucking fucked!

Could not have said it better myself...

548 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:23:08am

re: #526 BlueCanuck

Will do.

Lets see if you can hear me Blue

549 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:23:16am

*Harper* *Harper* *Harper*!

Youtube Video

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's remarks at a Purim holiday memorial for the Mumbai Attacks with Chabbad Lubavitch in Ottawa

550 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:23:49am

re: #548 Erik The Red

Lets see if you can hear me Blue

SPEAK UP! I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

/old man mode off. :)

551 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:23:52am

Police: Conn. teacher made boy eat from garbage

School officials say the charge stems from an incident last week when the boy apparently tossed out his lunch of chicken nuggets and a banana from the school cafeteria.

The teacher is accused of retrieving the items from the garbage can and forcing the boy to eat them in front of her.

WTF is wrong with people.
Sound judgement is a lost trait.

552 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:24:12am

re: #532 Erik The Red

Will forward to you aussie when I get it. :)

Thanks Erik!

Cricket stuff, I hear Graeme Smith is cranky that the selectors have changed the team

Even though it's a dead match, I'll be watching tonight :-)

553 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:24:15am

Obama planning to gut the military:

the Congressional Budget Office offered something of a blueprint in January, issuing a key study that suggested an "alternative" defense plan, with massive cuts in weapons programs. Among its recommendations:


-- Reducing the number of aircraft carriers from 11 to 10.
-- Cancelling the Army Future Combat System (FCS) program in favor of upgrades to existing tanks and armored vehicles.
-- Eliminating the Air Force's next-generation tanker (KC-X) and spending part of that money on modifying 50-year-old KC-135s and KC-10s that date from the 1980s.
-- Limiting Marine Corps purchases of JSF to the number needed to replace the AV-8B Harrier
-- Cutting the Air Force JSF buy in half.
-- Delay acquisition of the Navy's next-generation cruiser (CG-X) for a decade.

In case you're wondering, the CBO study also calls for a halt to F-22 production. In other words, it's hard to tell where Mr. Gates' proposal begins and the budget office plan ends. Never mind that the CBO is suggesting a risky, even dangerous procurement strategy--putting off key weapons purchases for years or decades--despite the dangers of a multi-polar world. Of course, it helps that the former CBO director is now running the Office of Management and Budget, giving him tremendous clout in military spending matters.

554 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:24:18am

Using the few brain cells left after a three week battle with the virus- from-hades, I e-mailed (and hard copied) all of our congress-critters, our idjit president and my governor to vent my many frustrations with the current economic mess and to express outrage over the proposed insurance fiasco for our vets. I strongly encourage all Lizards to do the same...while it may fall on deaf ears, it sure felt good!

Happy Birthday ((LOL))!

555 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:24:28am

re: #544 aussiemagpie

If they had a dog around, it probably wasn't 'lost' right?

556 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:24:58am

re: #541 MJ

Gawd, even Maureen Dowd has noticed!

"Barack Obama even needs a teleprompter to get mad".

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Snip: The president needs to brush back the arrogant, greedy creeps who kneecapped capitalism, rather than cosseting Wall Street for fear of looking like an avatar of socialism.

Hasn't it occurred to this, um, pundit, that the Toxic King WANTS socialism?

557 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:25:27am

Anybody here this morning who wasn't here yesterday?

Click my nic for an update on the cookbook funds!

Click my nic and read about Vol 2 - send in your recipes!

Click my nic to order Vol 1 if you haven't yet (you know you want a copy!).

558 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:25:43am

re: #546 Iron Fist

Well, then you better not read my #553.

559 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:26:25am

re: #533 tfc3rid

So, how about the fact that the sitting President is going to head onto late night television... Incredible... He really IS the American Idol President...

Talk about demeaning the Office of the Presidency...

I wonder if he'll be my friend on Facebook? :-)

560 MJ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:26:30am

Richard Milhous Obama:

The New York Times, March 18, 2009

U.S. Weighs Taliban Strike Into Pakistan

By DAVID E. SANGER and ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON — President Obama and his national security advisers are considering expanding the American covert war in Pakistan far beyond the unruly tribal areas to strike at a different center of Taliban power in Baluchistan, where top Taliban leaders are orchestrating attacks into southern Afghanistan.

According to senior administration officials, two of the high-level reports on Pakistan and Afghanistan that have been forwarded to the White House in recent weeks have called for broadening the target area to include a major insurgent sanctuary in and around the city of Quetta...

561 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:26:50am

re: #552 aussiemagpie

Thanks Erik!

Cricket stuff, I hear Graeme Smith is cranky that the selectors have changed the team

Even though it's a dead match, I'll be watching tonight :-)

They have over reacted. Nothing new for S Africa. Check your FB mail. :)

562 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:27:02am

Guys, I need to go - if I don't see you later today I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day everyone!

563 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:27:58am

Only 4 more lizards. Get them sockpuppets out of the draw.

564 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:28:51am

re: #534 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Barry strikes again.

And exactly what would have been said if GWB did this?

But since it is the messiah, crickets.

Unreal.
We were told endlessly by the in-th-tank media that George bush couldn't speak. George Bush can speak just fine. obama is reduced to nothing but gibberish without his Teleprompter.

565 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:29:39am

re: #540 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, we are friended on face book right.

/checks score card...

Yes we are! And if I feel like leaving home now I have a choice of friends couches all over the world :-)

566 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:30:59am

re: #562 Chicago Blonde

Guys, I need to go - if I don't see you later today I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day everyone!

Have a great day CB.

567 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:32:21am

re: #553 Kenneth

Obama planning to gut the military:

the Congressional Budget Office offered something of a blueprint in January, issuing a key study that suggested an "alternative" defense plan, with massive cuts in weapons programs.

"Alternative defense" - a fancy way of saying "Surrender."

And on that note, Good Morning, Lizards!

568 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:32:53am

re: #555 VioletTiger

If they had a dog around, it probably wasn't 'lost' right?

Hi, I'm sure someone rescued the chocolate and put it out of it's misery
:-)

569 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:34:23am

Happy Birthday, Mr. Phelps!

Youtube Video

And, Capt. Oveur!

Youtube Video
570 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:34:45am

re: #545 scottishbuzzsaw

Being slightly to the right of Stalin makes one right-wing, don'tcha know...mornin' FrogMarch!

Great video Scottish!

571 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:34:51am

re: #561 Erik The Red

They have over reacted. Nothing new for S Africa. Check your FB mail. :)

Thanks, if I can drag myself away from Metropolis!

572 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:35:11am

Good morning Y'all - from a coolish (39 degres, going up to 68 degrees) and extremely foggy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

573 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:35:29am

re: #553 Kenneth

Democrats always always always want to cut military spending. They talk a good story during the campaign, but then they go right back to the party line.

I guess we had better gather sticks and stones for our 'alternate' defense.

574 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:36:23am

re: #570 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Great video Scottish!

Mornin' {Vet} ~ long time no see...how've you been?

575 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:37:48am

Morning Lizards.

576 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:37:53am

Happy Brithday, Charley Pride!

Youtube Video
577 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:38:31am

re: #575 Afrocity Good morning Afrocity! How are you doing today?

578 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:38:32am

re: #527 FrogMarch

German teens drawn to neo-Nazi groups - study

right wing? how about left-wing - Left-wing would be more accurate.

Fascinating essay. I might add that we have seen two examples of anarchy in its purest form in the last quarter-century, namely Somalia and Lebanon, specifically Beirut. Those who turned them into anarchies weren't interested in the freedoms or welfare of their neighbors; they just wanted to take everything their neighbors had, and then kill them to make sure they could keep their ill-gotten gains.

Plato's Republic is often quoted as an example of "republicanism", but in it, Plato was actually advocating a "dictatorship of the chosen", that is, an oligarchy. As I recall, when he had the chance to put his theories into practice, on Rhodes, it ended badly for all concerned.

As for the false dichotomy between Communism, Fascism, and National Socialism, both the Italian and German brands got started as local offshoots of the International movement that were intended to maintain independence of same. While both were syndicalist in form, their major reason for existing was that the Socialist leaders in those countries just didn't want to have to take orders from Moscow.

/When anyone tries to tell me that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were "natural" enemies, I tell them to look up the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

cheers

eon

579 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:38:55am

re: #545 scottishbuzzsaw

Being slightly to the right of Stalin makes one right-wing, don'tcha know...mornin' FrogMarch!

Good morning Scottishbuzzsaw! Who needs accuracy in media?

580 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:39:13am

re: #572 realwest

Good morning real. We have the same kind of day ahead in NJ.

I want you to know that the military insurance story is getting a lot of airplay up here. In fact, one of the leading local conservative talk show hosts had the story on for a few hours last night. People are talking. And he asked everyone to not only ask their congress reps to vote against it, but to come out and speak against it strongly and publicly.

581 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:39:16am

Okay, last bit of post pimping. littleoldlady's fruitcup post is almost number one. So all you late comers there's still plenty on the buffet. Don't forget to ding her post at #164.

582 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:39:47am

re: #574 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' {Vet} ~ long time no see...how've you been?

Busy... but otherwise OK. Both boys starting their school baseball seasons (college and HS), some drama there I have to deal with, Mom went to the hospital, but is out now.

You?

583 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:40:55am

re: #573 VioletTiger
Morning VioletTiger!
Speaking of our National Defense, I was pleased that a number of news outlets picked up on the story about American Veterans having to pay for their own health care.
But the best one - in terms of dark humor, was Day by Day:[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

584 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:41:20am

re: #581 BlueCanuck

Okay, last bit of post pimping. littleoldlady's fruitcup post is almost number one. So all you late comers there's still plenty on the buffet. Don't forget to ding her post at #164.

Only 4 more Lizards.

585 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:41:29am

re: #575 Afrocity

Morning Lizards.

Morning, Afrocity!

586 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:41:39am

re: #564 FrogMarch

Unreal.
We were told endlessly by the in-th-tank media that George bush couldn't speak. George Bush can speak just fine. obama is reduced to nothing but gibberish without his Teleprompter.

Or even with it.

cheers

eon

587 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:42:27am

re: #583 realwest

Morning RW. #164 needs your attention please.

588 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:42:36am

Happy Brithday, Jerry Cantrell!


Youtube Video
589 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:43:07am

Why Obama Thanked Himself - No Laughing Matter

590 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:44:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Congress will be raking AIG's CEO over the coals today - demanding the rending of clothes, wearing sackcloth and tithing large sums - all because Congress failed to do due diligence before handing over the Treasury to AIG ($150 billion in bailouts - rewarding failure). Now, they're indignant because certain employees are getting deferred compensation packages - aka bonuses). They've known about this for a year and did nothing.

I'm outraged over the outrage. It's phony, and it makes the Democrats in charge look like they're doing something, but it's demogoguery. It's also an admission that bailouts were a bad idea because it rewards incompetence - the very arguments that these folks are now making to strip the executives of their bonuses. Why reward any of these companies with bailouts for their failures? Why reward homeowners who are facing foreclosure with a bailout for their own bad business decisions?

It's those questions that aren't getting asked - despite the fact that the amounts thrown to "fix" those problems exceed the AIG bonus situation by a factor of more than 100. We're talking about hundreds of billions in bailouts versus $165 million in "bonuses". Where was the outrage from Democrats over that?

There wasn't.

And that's why I'm outraged. It's all so much hypocrisy.

591 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:44:32am

re: #584 Erik The Red

Only 4 more Lizards.

Done.
Congrats, {lol}.

592 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #544 aussiemagpie

More news from Melbourne, Victoria

Another earthquake rocks the city, second one in 12 days

Poor box of chocolates...

Save the Ozian chocolates!

593 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:45:06am

re: #582 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Busy... but otherwise OK. Both boys starting their school baseball seasons (college and HS), some drama there I have to deal with, Mom went to the hospital, but is out now.

You?

Sorry to hear about your Mom, Vet...hope she's recovery well.

All's well here...busy, but a good busy.

594 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:45:16am

re: #589 scottishbuzzsaw

Why Obama Thanked Himself - No Laughing Matter

It's official, Obama's teleprompter is the most powerful person in the world. The machines have taken over. Better call the Governator./

595 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:45:47am

W00000T!111! Thanks everyone. littleoldlady is now number one for the day. But don't stop, lets give her a pleseant surprise when she logs in next.

/now I am off to bed.

///zzz

596 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:45:54am

I rarely listen to the early morning blather on a rock station when driving home from dropping off The Kid. For some reason, I did this morning and I'm glad I did. The jocks ripped a new one for FCBBHO for the health insurance for vets' fuck-up and the replacement of "human-caused disaster" for "terrorism".

Hey, you Commie puke, middle America is getting pissed really quickly.

597 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:46:16am

re: #164 littleoldlady
Hey, good morning {littleoldlady} and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! And many, many more!
:)

598 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:46:37am

Our job is done Blue.

Our present to you lol.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

599 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:47:42am

re: #589 scottishbuzzsaw

Why Obama Thanked Himself - No Laughing Matter

But Cowen was 20 seconds into his second address when it dawned on him that he was giving word for word the speech that Obama had just read from the same teleprompter.

Cowen stopped and looked back at the president to say, "That's your speech."

Obama laughed and returned to the podium to offer what might have been Cowen's remarks. In doing so, President Obama thanked President Obama for inviting everyone over.

ROFLMAO!

Hey, FCBBHO: you can go fuck yourself for all I care.

600 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:47:44am

re: #590 lawhawk

Was it a failure to do due diligence or 'accidentally on purpose'? Dodd and Obama were the two biggest recipients of AIG campaign money. Obama praised the 'current' AIG top guy before he lambasted the rest. Makes me wonder.

601 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:47:45am

re: #580 VioletTiger YEA! I'm so glad to hear that! It's really gaining traction folks and if y'all haven't yet written your congresscritters, PLEASE DO SO TODAY!

602 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:47:53am

re: #594 VioletTiger

It's official, Obama's teleprompter is the most powerful person in the world. The machines have taken over. Better call the Governator./

I found it! I found it! A pic of of BHO and his teleprompter operator.

603 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:48:16am

re: #546 Iron Fist

Have I said that we're fucked yet, today? Maybe, maybe not, so here goes.

We are so totally fucking fucked!

Are you sure you are not gilding the lilly? I mean tell us what you really think!

604 seekeroftruth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:48:44am

re: #594 VioletTiger

It's official, Obama's teleprompter is the most powerful person in the world. The machines have taken over. Better call the Governator./


It's 3 AM. Do You Know Where Your Teleprompter Is?

Youtube Video
605 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:49:12am

re: #602 lifeofthemind

I found it! I found it! A pic of of BHO and his teleprompter operator.

Now which one's the dummy. Hmmm...

606 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:49:40am

re: #582 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning LT! I'm glad your mother is
out of the hospital and I'll pray for her complete recovery from whatever sent her there in the first place!
Glad to read about your two boys, as well!

607 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:49:55am

re: #572 realwest

Good morning Y'all - from a coolish (39 degres, going up to 68 degrees) and extremely foggy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

*Smooch* {darls}, nice day coming up for you!

All's well at Chez Aussiemagpie, usual late night scenario - Mr Aussiemagpie getting his 8 hours beauty sleep, and I'm here wide awake with my glass of chardy :-)

608 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:02am

Mornin' all. From a chilly Northwest.

609 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:04am

re: #577 realwest

Good morning Afrocity! How are you doing today?

So-so. Been a long month, sick, put my dog down yesterday, I have surgery later this month... Been sort of blah.

610 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:26am

re: #590 lawhawk

Too effin' right. No one is outraged that GM is using bailout money to live up to their contracts with the UAW - if that's not rewarding failure, I don't know what is.

611 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:27am

re: #596 MandyManners

'human-caused disaster'. Can you believe that? Dems are a bunch of pamby cowards. They can't even SAY terrorist, how are they going to protect us against them?

612 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:36am

re: #553 Kenneth

Obama planning to gut the military:

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, especially about the cancellation of the F-22. And limiting production of the F-35 inevitably drives the cost per plane up- giving them an excuse to cancel it down the road.

We may end up trying to fly F-18s, F-16s, and F-15s longer than we've flown B-52s. And I don't even want to think about the hours on the average KC-10 today, let alone the '135s.

Maybe we could start building Mitsubishi F-2 "Super Vipers" at Fort Worth, instead of just the engine bays and wings of same. The JASDF flyaway cost of $100 million apiece is due to the low rate of production in Japan; they're only building 120 over 10 years. Fort Worth could turn out twice that many in ten months.

/worth thinking about

cheers

eon

613 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:50:54am

re: #609 Afrocity

So-so. Been a long month, sick, put my dog down yesterday, I have surgery later this month... Been sort of blah.

Hang tough.

614 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #585 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Morning, Afrocity!

Still waiting for that Arby's dinner date and viewing of "Birth of a Nation"

615 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:51:47am

re: #609 Afrocity

So-so. Been a long month, sick, put my dog down yesterday, I have surgery later this month... Been sort of blah.

I am so sorry to hear about your four footed friend. Excuse me while I give someone a hug and strict instructions to stay healthy.

616 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:51:50am

re: #605 scottishbuzzsaw

The ears look vaguely familiar.

617 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:51:53am

re: #587 Erik The Red
Good morning Erik The Red - already attended to! Didn't need it, but thanks for reminding other folks out here!

618 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:52:33am

re: #596 MandyManners

I rarely listen to the early morning blather on a rock station when driving home from dropping off The Kid. For some reason, I did this morning and I'm glad I did. The jocks ripped a new one for FCBBHO for the health insurance for vets' fuck-up and the replacement of "human-caused disaster" for "terrorism".

Hey, you Commie puke, middle America is getting pissed really quickly.

Which is why AIG is now the latest whipping boy for our leftist government.

619 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:52:34am

re: #609 Afrocity

Sorry to hear about your dog. I know they get into your heart and it can just break it to lose them for any reason.

620 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:53:29am

re: #611 VioletTiger

'human-caused disaster'. Can you believe that? Dems are a bunch of pamby cowards. They can't even SAY terrorist, how are they going to protect us against them?

They're more interested in protecting the terrs from us. After all, they share so many attitudes.

/Old news, I know, but it bears repeating.

cheers

eon

621 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:53:50am

This was the first time since the beginning of the peace process 15 years ago that a senior Fatah official has said that his faction does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

Finally, the truth comes out - Palestinians are united in their rejection of Israel's right to exist.
ISRAEL - PLEASE WAKE UP!

622 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:53:54am

re: #594 VioletTiger

It's official, Obama's teleprompter is the most powerful person in the world. The machines have taken over. Better call the Governator./

I'd like to see SkyNet hack it.

623 Wasta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:53:55am

St. Pat' Hangover Recovery Question of the Day:

If it takes a chicken and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how many government bailouts will it take before Little Old Lady has another birthday?

624 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:00am

re: #609 Afrocity

So-so. Been a long month, sick, put my dog down yesterday, I have surgery later this month... Been sort of blah.

Hell of a month...hope you're feeling better soon...very sorry to hear about your dog. {Afrocity}

625 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:15am

re: #609 Afrocity

I'm sorry about your surgery and condolences for you on the loss of your friend. We had to put ours down last month.

626 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:42am

re: #592 lifeofthemind

Save the Ozian chocolates!

Send chocolates! :-)

627 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:47am

re: #611 VioletTiger

'human-caused disaster'. Can you believe that? Dems are a bunch of pamby cowards. They can't even SAY terrorist, how are they going to protect us against them?

What terrorists?

628 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:52am

re: #590 lawhawk

Spot on as usual, lawhawk. Michelle Malkin has a piece in the Post today about just that.

629 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:54:55am

re: #617 realwest

Thank you and all the other Lizards. lol will be very happy with her present.

630 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:55:20am

re: #606 realwest

Good morning LT! I'm glad your mother is
out of the hospital and I'll pray for her complete recovery from whatever sent her there in the first place!
Glad to read about your two boys, as well!

Thanks Real!

She went in for fears of more failures in her heart. Valves seemed no worse (already pretty bad) than they were, docs checked for new strokes and found one tiny one. They eventually diagnosed her with COPD and the treatment seemed to be a big help.

631 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:55:42am

re: #618 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which is why AIG is now the latest whipping boy for our leftist government.

It's a plain and putrid appeal to populism.

632 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:56:56am

Ya know, congress wants AIG to give up those bonuses that were in contracts, but the bigwigs on Cap, Hill didn't bat an eye about telling the UAW to tear up their contracts? So...white collar millionaires are better than blue collar union workers.

633 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:57:01am

Liddy's gonna' be before Congress soon on C-SPAN.

634 eon  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:57:22am

Well, the contractor will be here to continue redoing my electrical service in about five minutes, so I have to run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

635 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:58:06am

re: #632 pingjockey

Ya know, congress wants AIG to give up those bonuses that were in contracts, but the bigwigs on Cap, Hill didn't bat an eye about telling the UAW to tear up their contracts? So...white collar millionaires are better than blue collar union workers.

According to Drudge:

Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

The A.I.G. Financial Products affiliate of A.I.G. gave out $136,928, the most of any AIG affiliate, in the 2008 cycle. I would note that A.I.G.’s financial products division is the unit that wrote trillions of dollars’ worth of credit-default swaps and "misjudged" the risk.

636 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:58:21am

re: #596 MandyManners

I rarely listen to the early morning blather on a rock station when driving home from dropping off The Kid. For some reason, I did this morning and I'm glad I did. The jocks ripped a new one for FCBBHO for the health insurance for vets' fuck-up and the replacement of "human-caused disaster" for "terrorism".

Hey, you Commie puke, middle America is getting pissed really quickly.

Human caused disaster? WTF?

637 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:58:26am

Signs that apacolypse is getting near...Plus size pr0n actresses suing over "discrimination".

638 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:58:36am

re: #627 MandyManners

What terrorists?

There are no terrorists, they are just the loyal opposition...

639 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:58:56am

{Afrocity} I am so sorry to hear about your pup! We lost our two Newfs this past year and miss them terribly. A kind Lizard posted this then, I hope it helps comfort you as much as it helped me.
[Link: www.indigo.org...]

640 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:59:42am

re: #631 MandyManners

It's a plain and putrid appeal to populism.

Speaking of populism, has Obama gone on the Leno show yet?
Personally I think no sitting president should go on a show like that but Obama is Obama after all.

641 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #633 MandyManners

Liddy's gonna' be before Congress soon on C-SPAN.

Watch the Dems come out smelling like roses... They are swooping in to save the day from the eeevil corporations who are 100% supported by the eeevil Republicans.

642 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:00am

re: #635 Afrocity

True. This is just grandstanding and hypocrisy by the critters on the Hill.

643 Erik The Red  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:12am

Later Lizards. Going home via the pub. See you in a bit.

644 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:21am

re: #630 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Best wishes to you and of course, all the very best for your dear Mum!

Everytime someone here talks about their mum, I miss mine even more..

645 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:24am

re: #636 Wishing

Human caused disaster? WTF?

The head of HSA Napolitano is refering to 9-11 as a "human-caused disaster" according to Fox this morning. Also, according to the jocks on the radio show I listened to this morning, HRC refered to terrorism as "human-caused disaster".

646 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:49am

re: #640 Afrocity

Speaking of populism, has Obama gone on the Leno show yet?
Personally I think no sitting president should go on a show like that but Obama is Obama after all.

Tonight or tomorrow... I agree with you, it demeans the Office.

647 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:00:51am

re: #638 tfc3rid

There are no terrorists, they are just the loyal opposition...

And, we can negotiate with the moderates!

648 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:13am

re: #640 Afrocity

Speaking of populism, has Obama gone on the Leno show yet?
Personally I think no sitting president should go on a show like that but Obama is Obama after all.

Tonight.

649 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #645 MandyManners

The head of HSA Napolitano is refering to 9-11 as a "human-caused disaster" according to Fox this morning. Also, according to the jocks on the radio show I listened to this morning, HRC refered to terrorism as "human-caused disaster".

These motherfuckers.

650 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:29am

re: #589 scottishbuzzsaw

Why Obama Thanked Himself - No Laughing Matter

This sounds like beginning of a Twilight Zone episode. Is the Teleprompter really the brains of the operation? And, if so, why hasn't it nominated a new Deputy Treasury Secretary?

-Mark Steyn

651 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:35am

re: #589 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning {scotti} How are you today? I have to say that technological screw ups by Obama with the teleprompter probably ring as hollow criticism of Obama, but when you think of how much HE depends on the teleprompter, let's all pray that he doesn't read an early draft of a speech and we suddenly find ourselves unintentionally at war somewhere!

652 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:41am

re: #647 MandyManners

And, we can negotiate with the moderates!

Right, I cannot imagine what could possibly go wrong.

653 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:01:42am

re: #640 Afrocity

Are you ok after putting your dear pup down? Hope you slept ok..
((Afrocity))
Such a heartbreaker...

654 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:02:07am

Pleosi is not in the House this morning. She's appointed a pro tempore speaker.

655 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:02:38am

re: #645 MandyManners

The head of HSA Napolitano is refering to 9-11 as a "human-caused disaster" according to Fox this morning. Also, according to the jocks on the radio show I listened to this morning, HRC refered to terrorism as "human-caused disaster".

1984 all over again...

656 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:02:40am

re: #637 pingjockey

Signs that apacolypse is getting near...Plus size pr0n actresses suing over "discrimination".

What's your point?! We've got to make a living too! And some like it...large! /

657 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:02:48am

re: #641 tfc3rid

Watch the Dems come out smelling like roses... They are swooping in to save the day from the eeevil corporations who are 100% supported by the eeevil Republicans.

I'm thinking it's not gonna' work. His and Dodd's roles are being blared everywhere.

658 MJ  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #621 Spare O'Lake

This was the first time since the beginning of the peace process 15 years ago that a senior Fatah official has said that his faction does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

Finally, the truth comes out - Palestinians are united in their rejection of Israel's right to exist.
ISRAEL - PLEASE WAKE UP!

I don't think most Israelis need to wake up. It's the US State Department and the MSM that need to wake up.
Then again, both groups want Israel destroyed, so this will have zero effect.

659 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:16am

re: #612 eon

Those aren't the Vipers I'm looking for. /These are the ones I want to see produced.

660 CynicalConservative  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:35am

re: #657 MandyManners

I'm thinking it's not gonna' work. His and Dodd's roles are being blared everywhere.

We can hope.

661 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:46am

re: #654 MandyManners

Pleosi is not in the House this morning. She's appointed a pro tempore speaker.

Is she off on a G5 to somewhere special?

662 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:46am

re: #654 MandyManners

Pleosi is not in the House this morning. She's appointed a pro tempore speaker.

Chicken sh*t

663 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:03:57am

re: #656 scottishbuzzsaw

Just the fact that they're suing is a hoot.

664 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:04:09am

Caught a clip on Fox News here at 10:02 EST...That cow Nancy Pelosi calling for an end to workplace raids ...she's angry at immigration laws...this is from 10 days ago...she said it was unAmerican to enforce immigration law. She is guaranteeing them (illegals) that they WILL be allowed to work here. How lovely.

665 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:04:15am

re: #657 MandyManners

I'm thinking it's not gonna' work. His and Dodd's roles are being blared everywhere.

You must live in a common sense thinking place... Here in NY, the AIG debacle is all the GOP's fault... And the Dems are finally going to crush them over this...

We're still doomed.

666 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:04:38am

re: #649 tfc3rid

These motherfuckers.

Precisely.

What are they gonna' call terrorists? "Causers of human-caused disasters"?

667 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:04:45am

re: #590 lawhawk Good morning lawhawk - I was pleased to leave a comment at your excellent blog on that story. For the Democrats it's just business as usual - and they don't even have to be from Chicago, either! LOL! It's the same old 3 card monte game; give approval or at least tacit approval to a plan, then when the you know what hits the fan public relations-wise, act indignant and feign outrage for public consumption. Geez, how long's he been in office now? Less than 60 days?!
Oy!

668 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:05:20am

re: #652 tfc3rid

Right, I cannot imagine what could possibly go wrong.

We get our asses handed to us.

669 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:05:54am

re: #655 Wishing

1984 all over again...

Dictating the language is a large step in winning the battle.

670 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:07am

re: #664 UberInfidel67

Of course they will... Amnesty is coming and will pass... Then Uni Healthcare...

Who really thought the Dems would not overreach?

671 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #651 realwest

Good morning {scotti} How are you today? I have to say that technological screw ups by Obama with the teleprompter probably ring as hollow criticism of Obama, but when you think of how much HE depends on the teleprompter, let's all pray that he doesn't read an early draft of a speech and we suddenly find ourselves unintentionally at war somewhere!

Good morning, {real} ~ his dependence on it worries me. He slips his brain in neutral and just reads, not hearing what he's saying...unintentional consequences indeed!

672 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:33am

re: #666 MandyManners

Precisely.

What are they gonna' call terrorists? "Causers of human-caused disasters"?

I'd call terrorists 'as good as dead'.

673 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:34am

re: #657 MandyManners

I'm thinking it's not gonna' work. His and Dodd's roles are being blared everywhere.

Poll numbers are starting to slide.

674 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:40am

re: #660 CynicalConservative

We can hope.

I make sure I refer to their roles whenever I talk to people about this IRL.

675 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:57am

re: #666 MandyManners

Precisely.

What are they gonna' call terrorists? "Causers of human-caused disasters"?

It really pisses me off that they are equating terrorists with humans.

676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:06:58am

re: #614 Afrocity

Still waiting for that Arby's dinner date and viewing of "Birth of a Nation"

For you, I'll take you to Friday's!

So sorry to hear about your dog - they are family, no matter what some people might say.

Hope your surgery isn't something serious.

677 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:06am

re: #661 ilzito guacamolito

Is she off on a G5 to somewhere special?

She's probably hiding under her desk.

678 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:16am

re: #664 UberInfidel67

Caught a clip on Fox News here at 10:02 EST...That cow Nancy Pelosi calling for an end to workplace raids ...she's angry at immigration laws...this is from 10 days ago...she said it was unAmerican to enforce immigration law. She is guaranteeing them (illegals) that they WILL be allowed to work here. How lovely.

Ahh so now Pelosi figures that she ALONE gets to make these decisions?
Bite it, dear nancy

679 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:27am

re: #668 MandyManners

We get our asses handed to us.

And thousands of our fellow Americans die as a result...

Again, should any of my family be harmed as a result of a terror attack, there will be hell to pay.

680 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:28am

re: #664 UberInfidel67

Caught a clip on Fox News here at 10:02 EST...That cow Nancy Pelosi calling for an end to workplace raids ...she's angry at immigration laws...this is from 10 days ago...she said it was unAmerican to enforce immigration law. She is guaranteeing them (illegals) that they WILL be allowed to work here. How lovely.

After all they will make loyal dhimmie voters won't they?

681 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:29am

re: #662 Wishing

Chicken sh*t

Please, don't insult chicken shit!

682 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:36am

Morning all.
Anyone just see the story on FoxNews about Pelosi condemning U.S. immigration policies (and specifically denouncing "raids") in front of a "group made up largely of illegal immigrants"?
They (Fox) treated it as a scandal (she was "caught", etc.) but I see nothing surprising or particularly new in it.

683 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:41am

re: #600 VioletTiger
I dibs accidentally on purpose. I dont' think that either of them suspected that the MSM would run with a story that might make Obama look bad and got ambushed by this story leaking out.

684 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:07:49am

Whoa. Ted Poe is blaming Congress.

685 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:08:40am

re: #665 tfc3rid

You must live in a common sense thinking place... Here in NY, the AIG debacle is all the GOP's fault... And the Dems are finally going to crush them over this...

We're still doomed.

NYC is not the center of the universe.

686 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:09:27am

re: #672 tfc3rid

I'd call terrorists 'as good as dead'.

I bet you're a bitter clinger to your gun and Bible.

687 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:09:54am

re: #681 MandyManners

Please, don't insult chicken shit!

oops

688 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:09:58am

re: #607 aussiemagpie
Hi there {aussie} and *smooch* back to you - what, you've got a glass of Chady but no footy to watch while enjoying it?!
Hey, didja all feel that earthquake in Victoria?!

689 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:29am

OK I cannot get Cspan to load...any other sites broadcasting the Liddy stuff?

690 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #673 VioletTiger

Poll numbers are starting to slide.

What are the numbers compared to previous presidents at this point in their first 100 days?

691 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:47am

re: #679 tfc3rid

And thousands of our fellow Americans die as a result...

Again, should any of my family be harmed as a result of a terror attack, there will be hell to pay.

My thoughts exactly - but who will tell us? Papers are folding left and right and of course Fox is the only network even close to fairness. The rest will cover it up and gloss over the complicity. Perfidy comes to mind here.

692 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:48am

re: #639 Fluffy Bunny

{Afrocity} I am so sorry to hear about your pup! We lost our two Newfs this past year and miss them terribly. A kind Lizard posted this then, I hope it helps comfort you as much as it helped me.
[Link: www.indigo.org...]

Okay now I am crying again. Thank you for that. The video you posted had a dalmatian at the end, which is what my dog was and that made me smile.
I am not good at handling death and the last 4 years have been hard for me. Had a dog die in 2005, a cat and an uncle die in 2006, My mom died suddenly in 2007, and now this dog.

I will be 40 in 6 months and frankly I am making it one day at a time, and fighting anxiety. The election taxed my nerves as I campaigned my ass for McCain and have been down since then.

693 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:48am

re: #686 MandyManners

I bet you're a bitter clinger to your gun and Bible.

I am. I don't belong here... LOL Going to the ATL area this weekend on a 'fact finding mission'.

694 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:54am

re: #685 MandyManners

NYC is not the center of the universe.

Says who?
/

695 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:10:59am

re: #670 tfc3rid
Let me see if I understand this:

America is in a severe financial crisis.
We are giving away billions upon billions of dollars to big companies
Everyone is losing their home boo-hoo (got in over yer head eh?)
We give buttloads of money to countries who inhabitants want to kill us.
Every average Joe is losing his retirement income
We bring MORE people into the country? (Who in turn will be sending the money they earn back to A DIFFERENT country)

Is that about right? WTF?

696 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:11:26am

re: #669 MandyManners

Dictating the language is a large step in winning the battle.

In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.
~George Orwell

697 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:11:40am

re: #675 ilzito guacamolito

It really pisses me off that they are equating terrorists with humans.

Well, they are humans. (I don't know of another animal that does the things that humans do to each other.)

698 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:12:00am

re: #690 MandyManners

What are the numbers compared to previous presidents at this point in their first 100 days?

Still not as good as Presidents Castro & Hussien.
/

699 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:12:10am

re: #679 tfc3rid

And thousands of our fellow Americans die as a result...

Again, should any of my family be harmed as a result of a terror attack, there will be hell to pay.

How?

700 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:12:17am

re: #678 Wishing
I didn't get much sleep last night so I am really pissy this morning. Having apologised, let me just say "I HATE that fucking bitch".

701 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:12:20am

re: #609 Afrocity Damn, y'all hadda put your dog down? How old was he/she?
I'm terribly sorry to hear that - dogs really are members of our family's and although I'm sure you did the right thing, it must not have been easy to do.
And what's this about you're having SURGERY later this month?! Uh, even if it is nosy of me, what kind of surgery - I mean is your life in danger or something?!

702 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:12:48am

re: #693 tfc3rid

I am. I don't belong here... LOL Going to the ATL area this weekend on a 'fact finding mission'.

Thinking of moving?

703 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:13:15am

re: #694 Wishing

Says who?
/

Many of us folks in fly-over land.

704 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #700 UberInfidel67

I didn't get much sleep last night so I am really pissy this morning. Having apologised, let me just say "I HATE that fucking bitch".

No apology needed! I didn't get to sleep at all last night, got called into work (11-7) at 10:55!
And I think the scrawny bitch has over -reached a bit.

705 Ben Hur  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:14:30am

Ahhh...the amazing things you have time to do when you're not surrounded by 500,000,000 people that want to kill you.

Youtube Video
706 Aviator  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:14:31am

re: #654 MandyManners

Pleosi is not in the House this morning. She's appointed a pro tempore speaker.

Just her "Botox Day" at the spa.

707 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:15:01am

re: #696 scottishbuzzsaw

In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.
~George Orwell

I wonder what he would think about FCBBHO and his teleprompter, especially the screw-up he made that you posted.

708 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:15:10am
709 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:15:42am

re: #698 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Still not as good as Presidents Castro & Hussien.
/

Or, in the Soviet Union where you HAD to vote.

710 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:15:58am

re: #645 MandyManners

Here's the quote:


"Secretary Napolitano: This program has provided literally tens of thousands of first responders the ability to respond effectively and safely to HAZMAT [hazardous materials] and WMD incidents across our country. And these grants are very, very key.

And why is that? It is that because this is an area where if you think about both from the man-caused and non-man-caused incidents, but particularly on the man-caused, the weapon of mass destruction involving a hazardous chemical or biological weapon is very high up on the scenarios that we are seeing, and the scenarios that we need to be prepared for."


link.

711 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:16:22am

re: #706 Aviator

Just her "Botox Day" at the spa.

Poor, poor clinicians.

712 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:16:22am

re: #676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

For you, I'll take you to Friday's!

So sorry to hear about your dog - they are family, no matter what some people might say.

Hope your surgery isn't something serious.

Well shit Bubba, Friday's is too fancy for me. I would get all nervous not knowing what fork to use with my cheesy fries.

713 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:16:36am

re: #612 eon Hey eon - I agree with your post, but thought the USAF already had something over 50 F-22's operational, no? And not building the F-35 is sure to win us even MORE friends in Europe than President Obama has managed to do already!
Oh yeah, the world is gonna just LOVE the US - well, at least China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and...probably NORK too.
Nice work Mr. President. Sure wish you get some ADULTS in your administration and let them, you know, do all the work you've been micromanaging.

714 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:17:31am

OK, I am hearing strains of *Banking Queen*. I wonder why?

715 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:17:41am

I believe this is Nancy the Fucking Bitch in action

Pt 1

716 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:17:47am

re: #692 Afrocity

I still cry when I watch it, too. I'm so sorry to hear of your recent troubles and heartbreaks... I wish you happiness, good health and good luck on your upcoming surgery. You will be in my prayers.

717 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:18:13am

re: #700 UberInfidel67

I didn't get much sleep last night so I am really pissy this morning. Having apologised, let me just say "I HATE that fucking bitch".

Which bitch? Michelle, Nancy, Campbell Brown, there are so many to choose from.

718 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:18:18am

re: #710 avanti

Hey chief, tell me what the govt does right?

719 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:18:34am

re: #715 UberInfidel67

Screwed that up! Retry:

Youtube Video
720 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:01am

re: #695 UberInfidel67

Right because they are going to bring a lot of culture that we just don't have right now... As well as their families and work ethic... They won't bring ANY problems, that would be crazy...

721 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:07am

Barney frank has NO OWNERSHIP RIGHTS, NONE. How dare that lil twerp even suggest it.

722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:15am

re: #706 Aviator

Just her "Botox Day" at the spa.

Just a day?

723 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:17am

re: #707 MandyManners

I wonder what he would think about FCBBHO and his teleprompter, especially the screw-up he made that you posted.

Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ~George Orwell

So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot. ~George Orwell

The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.
~George Orwell

724 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:27am

Part 2

Youtube Video
725 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:42am

re: #690 MandyManners

What are the numbers compared to previous presidents at this point in their first 100 days?

I don't have a link, but I heard on a radio program yesterday (must have been hannity because I was driving home) that he was doing worse than others like Bush and Clinton at a similar point in their presidency. Also on Fox news last night they said he slid about 5 point over the last week. i think is Leno thing is an effort to pick it back up.

726 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #718 rightside

Nat'l Defense, when asshats diplomats and congress critters don't get in the way. Oh crap! Bwaney Fwank spewing BS on FNC!

727 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #699 MandyManners

How?

I don't know... Possibly trying to join the military if we plan on going after those who did it... Of course, we might not, just talking will make the difference...

728 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:20:27am

re: #717 Afrocity

Nancy. Maybe I should have been more specific. lol And how are you my friend? I am sorry for your loss...but ALL dogs go to Heaven ; )

729 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:21:08am

I despise this lying weasel.
He CAUSED the problem.
He owns NOTHING.

730 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:21:20am

re: #630 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)WOW, bad valves, mini-stroke and COPD - gee LT, I'm terribly sorry to hear that. Do you mind if I ask how old she is?

731 DisturbedEma  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:21:28am

re: #706 Aviator

Just her "Botox Day" at the spa.

Ack! My Pelosi and her shriveled botoxed eggs joke to FBV is rearing its ugly head. . .

732 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:21:33am

It's none of your business who got the bonus money Barney! We ain't living in the USSR...yet!

733 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:21:36am

re: #701 realwest

Damn, y'all hadda put your dog down? How old was he/she?
I'm terribly sorry to hear that - dogs really are members of our family's and although I'm sure you did the right thing, it must not have been easy to do.
And what's this about you're having SURGERY later this month?! Uh, even if it is nosy of me, what kind of surgery - I mean is your life in danger or something?!

He was 13 years old, which is old for a dalmatian.
My life is not in danger. I am nervous because I never had surgery before. Hopefully after this I can conceive a baby. Not that hard line conservatives will agree with this- especially Ann Coulter, but I would like a child and am going it alone. I paid my dues, have an education, and the funds.

734 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:00am

re: #692 Afrocity

{Afrocity} So sorry about your dog. I hope things pick up for you from now on.

735 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:02am

re: #723 scottishbuzzsaw

Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ~George Orwell

So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot. ~George Orwell

The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.
~George Orwell

I wish we had a law that demanded all laws--and all judicial opinions--be written in plainer language than many are now.

736 DisturbedEma  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:08am

re: #722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just a day?

she has to sign a gag order- to keep her from saying where she had her work done. .

737 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:17am

Dodd's won't even take responsibility for his actions, the asshat! His new defense is that his bill was re-written by someone else...of course, he has no idea who.

Proof-read much?

738 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #720 tfc3rid
Yeah, I guess I am just being xenophobic % ) (I hope that is the rolling eyes symbol)

739 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:38am

re: #702 MandyManners

Thinking of moving?

Well, the gf wants to move to CHI by September... I would like to try and stay with my company which is located East Coast only... Don't want to look for a job this summer at all...

ATL is a place my company is as well as Raleigh, Charlotte, lots in FL...

740 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:47am

re: #725 VioletTiger

I don't have a link, but I heard on a radio program yesterday (must have been hannity because I was driving home) that he was doing worse than others like Bush and Clinton at a similar point in their presidency. Also on Fox news last night they said he slid about 5 point over the last week. i think is Leno thing is an effort to pick it back up.

I wish Leno would nail him but, he won't.

741 DisturbedEma  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #733 Afrocity

He was 13 years old, which is old for a dalmatian.
My life is not in danger. I am nervous because I never had surgery before. Hopefully after this I can conceive a baby. Not that hard line conservatives will agree with this- especially Ann Coulter, but I would like a child and am going it alone. I paid my dues, have an education, and the funds.

I am SO with you- have that baby. . .and BEST of luck:)

742 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:13am

This punitive crap coming out this guy's mouth is so obscene, I am just fuming.
He thinks that by saying, Hey! Let's be owners, you and I, and go beat up these guys! that he can turn the worm.

743 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:15am

re: #725 VioletTiger

I don't have a link, but I heard on a radio program yesterday (must have been hannity because I was driving home) that he was doing worse than others like Bush and Clinton at a similar point in their presidency. Also on Fox news last night they said he slid about 5 point over the last week. i think is Leno thing is an effort to pick it back up.

And of course ol horseface will give him only softballs. This might blow up in his face - in fact I hope it does. I cringe when I see the presidink on tv - I have gotten to the point I cannot listen to him - kinda like that Billy Mays guy that hawks crap on infomercials. I mute the tv whenever he comes on and it is a joke between my beloved and I. She is disappointed when I don't mute it fast enough.

744 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:16am

Iraqis Joyful Over Liberation and Hopeful For Democracy

745 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:21am

re: #636 Wishing
Hi Wishing! Just wanted to thank you, again, for re-posting my comment in yesterday's Dead Thread! Thanks again - hope you're doing well today!

746 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:36am

B.O. is going to be on ESPN at noon to discuss his brackets. How precious.

I guess it's time for the charm offensive to swing back into action and the media to lap it up...

747 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:23:48am

re: #739 tfc3rid

Well, the gf wants to move to CHI by September... I would like to try and stay with my company which is located East Coast only... Don't want to look for a job this summer at all...

ATL is a place my company is as well as Raleigh, Charlotte, lots in FL...

Chicago? It's bone-assed cold there.

748 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #728 UberInfidel67

Nancy. Maybe I should have been more specific. lol And how are you my friend? I am sorry for your loss...but ALL dogs go to Heaven ; )

If any other of God's creations besides man can get into Heaven, it's the dog. They love unconditionally, are loyal, happy to serve others & will even die to protect their loved ones. Nearly all religions teach that those are the qualities that gain one admittance into the hereafter.

749 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:24:16am

re: #726 pingjockey

bawny fwank spews BS when he opens his...mouth. Was going to make a crude reference, but thought better of it.

750 Ben Hur  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:24:39am

Threadable>

Via Biased-BBC.

Clerics urge new jihad over Gaza

At a weekend meeting in Istanbul, 200 religious scholars and clerics met senior Hamas officials to plot a new jihad centred on Gaza.

The BBC's Bill Law was the only Western journalist at the meeting.

snip

Mohammed Nazzal, a senior Hamas leader based in Damascus, challenged Arab governments to "open their borders and allow the fighters to come."

Delegates from all over the Middle East, and from Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan and Indonesia applauded as he stabbed the air with a raised finger and declared: "There will be no agreement with Israel... only weapons will bring respect."
Gaza has opened a gulf between Arab people and their regimes, clerics say

Mr Nazzal told his audience: "Don't worry about casualties."

The 23 days of bombardment of Gaza, in which some 1,300 people, many of them civilians and nearly 300 of them children, are believed to have died, was "just the beginning" of the struggle, Mr Nazzal said.

To laughter in the audience, another speaker noted that twice as many babies were born as children were killed during the war.

Every death, I was told, was a martyrdom on the road to liberation.

New jihad?

When did the old one end?

751 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:25:08am

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Here is the poll number article they were quoting from the WSJ.

Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.



M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.

752 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:25:54am

re: #745 realwest

Hi Wishing! Just wanted to thank you, again, for re-posting my comment in yesterday's Dead Thread! Thanks again - hope you're doing well today!

Doing well, thank you, real. Had a very busy night, am dead tired and have to work again tonight. But I had a great convo with a Dem suffering buyer's remorse, so all is good!

753 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:25:56am

re: #747 MandyManners

Chicago? It's bone-assed cold there.

Cold? It was 73 degrees yesterday.

754 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:00am

re: #688 realwest

Hi there {aussie} and *smooch* back to you - what, you've got a glass of Chady but no footy to watch while enjoying it?!
Hey, didja all feel that earthquake in Victoria?!

I'm sitting here enjoying the night silence - no telly or radio for a change :-)

Just the peacful sounds of semitrailers rocketing down the nearby motorway, and the restful snoring lullaby from the bedroom...

As for the quake, we're a bit too far away, but some wag wrote on Andrew Bolt's blog that the earthquake hit Adelaide, South Australia (the next state west from Victoria) as well and did $20 million worth of improvements

755 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #735 MandyManners

There's something twisted about a system that deliberately dumbs down the language in their public schools and then necessitates a great complexity of language to understand the laws of the land.

756 pingjockey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:18am

BBIAB!

757 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:24am

re: #748 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
When I was little, we had a doggie that died from distemper. I was heartbroken. I remember asking my dad if "Schroeder" would go to Heaven. He tried so hard not to chuckle. lol My sister wrote a paper about it for her English class. lol lol

758 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:31am

re: #740 MandyManners

I wish Leno would nail him but, he won't.

The Leno thing is an effort to get back in the spotlight of his 'fans'... Next will probably be the Daily Show in order to again hit his demographic...

759 lobo91  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:34am

re: #727 tfc3rid

I don't know... Possibly trying to join the military if we plan on going after those who did it... Of course, we might not, just talking will make the difference...

If the current regime is still in power when it happens, you can probably forget that idea. Obama's teleprompter will give us a nice speech explaining how it was our fault, and apologizing to the world for offending them.

Then, of course, we'll see them use the attack as justification for the remainder of their plan to "change" America.

Never let a crisis go to waste, right?

760 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:26:43am

re: #739 tfc3rid

Well, the gf wants to move to CHI by September... I would like to try and stay with my company which is located East Coast only... Don't want to look for a job this summer at all...

ATL is a place my company is as well as Raleigh, Charlotte, lots in FL...

Chicago would be a good fit for you. Going from one loser ball club to another would be a smooth transition.

761 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:27:21am

re: #732 pingjockey

It's none of your business who got the bonus money Barney! We ain't living in the USSR...yet!

Well, here's a question that wont be forthcoming from the Congresscritters:

Just how much money did AIG throw at politicians in Congress, including Dodd, Obama, Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, other NYC area politicos, etc.

How much of that amount was after AIG started receiving bailout money? How much was given at a point when AIG knew that it was in financial trouble?

How many members gave back the money once they saw AIG in trouble?

/frakking hypocrites.

762 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:03am

re: #758 tfc3rid

The Leno thing is an effort to get back in the spotlight of his 'fans'... Next will probably be the Daily Show in order to again hit his demographic...

Obama's too busy campaigning to be President.

763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:12am

re: #758 tfc3rid

The Leno thing is an effort to get back in the spotlight of his 'fans'... Next will probably be the Daily Show in order to again hit his demographic...

Hell, he'll probably guest host the Daily Show before his term is out.

764 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:27am

re: #732 pingjockey

It's none of your business who got the bonus money Barney! We ain't living in the USSR...yet!

If it's taxpayer money, I disagree. Once the taxpayers own over 80% of your company, they have a right to see how the money is spent. Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars.

765 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #665 tfc3rid
Good morning my friend! Thanks for posting that vet's healthcare thing in your Facebook yesterday! I'm confused that the Dems in NYC are getting away with blaming the GOP over AIG! Someone upthread linked to a column by Michelle Malkin making the clear case that Geithner and Obama knew about the bonus plan over a year before it happend and are now "feigning" outrage (they're really outraged that they got caught, is all). How can NYC folks STILL "THINK" it's the Repub's fault?

766 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:41am

Could not resist this...

"Talk about your Bat out of Hell..."

767 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:47am

Remember the end of The Front Page when Walter Burns accuses Hildy Johnson of stealing the watch he gave him? That is the kind of chutzpah the Democrats show in bailing out AIG instead of sending it into bankruptcy, approving the payouts and then organizing a mob to attack the Republicans and create a precedent for a bill of attainder and ex post facto law. When the Democrats of Athens broke precedent and the law to hold a mass trial of generals after a naval disaster one man stood up and condemned it. That was Socrates and eventually the same demagogues came back and killed him.

768 Aviator  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:48am

re: #664 UberInfidel67

Caught a clip on Fox News here at 10:02 EST...That cow Nancy Pelosi calling for an end to workplace raids ...she's angry at immigration laws...this is from 10 days ago...she said it was unAmerican to enforce immigration law. She is guaranteeing them (illegals) that they WILL be allowed to work here. How lovely.

Somebody has to work in her tuna plant.

769 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:52am

re: #747 MandyManners

Chicago? It's bone-assed cold there.

Well, my question to her was: I live in NY, why would I want to move to Chicago... I want to go to a place with a lower cost of living and something different... I lump NYC, CHI, LA all together as the big three... Why would I leave NY to go to another one of the big 3?

770 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:28:56am

re: #762 Honorary Yooper

Obama's too busy campaigning to be President.

Hey, idiot, YOU WON! Go do something!

No...


wait...

771 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:29:07am

re: #692 Afrocity

{Afrocity}, so sorry to hear about your dog, it's so sad to lose a beloved pet..

772 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #761 lawhawk
Not sure if this has been discussed here or not. I got an email (which I cannot find now, but will keep looking) saying that AIG is the company that (I hope I recall correctly) insure Congress pensions? SOmething like that. Is this true and is this why they are sucking AIG ass?

773 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:30:01am

The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.

There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?

When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic.

~George Orwell

Time to hit the road...have a wonderful day, Heroic Lizards!

774 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #759 lobo91

If the current regime is still in power when it happens, you can probably forget that idea. Obama's teleprompter will give us a nice speech explaining how it was our fault, and apologizing to the world for offending them.

Then, of course, we'll see them use the attack as justification for the remainder of their plan to "change" America.

Never let a crisis go to waste, right?

That's according to Rahm Emanuel, but I have a feeling an attack or a political crisis is not the crisis they were looking for or wanted in the first place. They want an economic crisis because that gives them the biggest chance to ram through the changes they want. An attack or political crisis just saps time and energy from the economic changes they want to impliment.

775 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:30:38am

Civilization Ends:

WriterMom Enjoys and Even Agrees With Maureen Dowd.

776 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:30:49am

re: #764 avanti

If it's taxpayer money, I disagree. Once the taxpayers own over 80% of your company, they have a right to see how the money is spent. Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars.

Look we are a COUNTRY OF LAW. These were, sadly, legal contracts, approved by Geithner and Dodd...and written by THEM.
Obey the LAW, and toss these idiots out as soon as possible!

777 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:30:54am

Cue the outrage.

For months, the Obama administration and members of Congress have known that insurance giant AIG was getting ready to pay huge bonuses while living off government bailouts. It wasn't until the money was flowing and news was trickling out to the public that official Washington rose up in anger and vowed to yank the money back.

Why the sudden furor, just weeks after Barack Obama's team paid out $30 billion in additional aid to the company?

778 x-wing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:31:19am

re: #749 rightside

bawny fwank spews BS when he opens his...mouth. Was going to make a crude reference, but thought better of it.

I cant wait for Rush today. Oughta be a hoot.

779 Aviator  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:31:21am

re: #722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just a day?

They made a movie about it. The Longest Day

780 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:31:46am

re: #760 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chicago would be a good fit for you. Going from one loser ball club to another would be a smooth transition.

Ooooh... I would never change from being a Mets fan... EVER... One day we will win again...

781 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #725 VioletTiger

I don't have a link, but I heard on a radio program yesterday (must have been hannity because I was driving home) that he was doing worse than others like Bush and Clinton at a similar point in their presidency. Also on Fox news last night they said he slid about 5 point over the last week. i think is Leno thing is an effort to pick it back up.

Here's the latest poll comparisonlink.

782 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:32:52am

Kalimera, boker tov, and good morning to all the Lizardim and Lizardot. So, I hear ol' BHO (POTUS Hisself) is coming to Southern California today! I should be happy about it. [ain't no thang...you know]
I miss the old POTUS, GWB.

783 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:33:11am

re: #765 realwest

Because friends of mine that I talk to here don't get it... They absorb the 'news' they hear on the Daily Show... They feel that this is all rooted in the fact that the Republican's love business and will do anything for them and the Dems are fighing for the everyman...

784 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:33:22am

re: #682 Lincolntf
Good morning to you! What was surprising or particularly new about it was that the MSM or at least Fox, actually reported what she said.
That's headway - only a little, but a start in the right direction. And the more legs this vets paying for their own healthcare story gets (cause they can't even begin to lay that on Bush) the more headway we'll make. Especially if folks DO write to their congresscritters - maybe even especially to their Democratic congresscritters. Sort of an "I can tell the Emperor's new clothes fit him like a second skin" type of moment.

785 Aviator  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:33:35am

I see Avanti has opened up his troll booth again.

786 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:08am

To listen live as the Dems lie at the speed of light:
CSpan

787 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:17am

OH.MY.GAWD!

OH.MY.GAWWWDDD!

Youse guyz! LOOK what you did!

abolitionist, Alberta Oil Peon, aussiemagpie, BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey, BlueCanuck, bolivar, Bubblehead II, Cathypop, CaTransplant, Chicago Blonde, chubby vegan, CynicalConservative, Dustyvet, eon, Erik The Red, Eyes of Blue, Fat Bastard Vegetarian, Fenway_Nation, Fluffy Bunny, freetoken, gettinby, gmsc, gymmom, HelloDare, Honorary Yooper, ilzito guacamolito, Irish Rose, jaunte, Jim in Virginia, kcladderman, Kenneth, Killer Tomato, Killian Bundy, Lee Coller, Leonidas Hoplite, MandyManners, MNsnowlizard, NJDhockeyfan, Panhandler, Pigtown Water Dog, Pullus Iulius, Pvt Bin Jammin, quickredfox, razorbacker, realwest, redc1c4, redneckkahfir, reine.de.tout, rightside, SasquatchOnSteroids, scottishbuzzsaw, seekeroftruth, Sharmuta, Sheepdogess, soxfan4life, Spare O'Lake, Springbok, srb1976, SteveC, TheMatrix31, UberInfidel67, unclassifiable, VioletTiger, Wishing, wrenchwench, yesandno

Have some "fruitcup"! :-)

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY SURPRISE!

I just wanted to get into the Top Ten... WOW!

788 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:19am

re: #769 tfc3rid

Well, my question to her was: I live in NY, why would I want to move to Chicago... I want to go to a place with a lower cost of living and something different... I lump NYC, CHI, LA all together as the big three... Why would I leave NY to go to another one of the big 3?

The cost of living increases substantially as one first enters Cook County, and then the City of Chicago. Out here in the sattelite cities, the cost of living isn't much different than Downstate. Gas is 30 to 50 cents cheaper, groceries are cheaper, land is cheaper (shoot, you can get a decent house out here for $150,000, and that would cost you almost $300,000 in the city, or even in parts of DuPage County), etc.

789 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:27am

re: #778 x-wing

Definitely! He seems to be even better than ever with all the ammo they are giving him.

790 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:34am

Gotta' get my eggsssesss boiling. I'm having eggs, red onion and wheat bolillio buns for breakfast. bbiab

791 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:34:54am

Just curious, has anyone visited the National Archives lately? Is the Constitution still there? Seems like it's not in effect right now...

792 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #787 littleoldlady

We love you {littlteoldlady}!

793 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:35:04am

Morning Honcos!

While all the brain dead morons on capital hill and in the media go berserk over $165 million in legal contracted bonuses, that everyone's known about, and Dodd protected, and Fed ruled had to be paid.

Meanwhile the future of the Military is being gutted.

*spit* [deleted] *spit*

Is this a great country or what? We win the friggin' cold war, prove Socialism / Communism / Marxism is a failed bankrupt ideology and then turn around and few short years elected a friggin' Marxist as President.

GAH!

794 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:35:32am

re: #752 Wishing

Doing well, thank you, real. Had a very busy night, am dead tired and have to work again tonight. But I had a great convo with a Dem suffering buyer's remorse, so all is good!

Unlike my exchange with a guy that I had a a date with. He is way too liberal for me but last night he posted this message:

I hate Republicans a lot. Really. QUITE A BIT. This is an essential part of my identity. That said, let us all admit that Meghan McCain is attractive, and efforts by orthodox Republicans to put the lass down on account of the particular shape of her figure are silly because MEGHAN MCCAIN IS HOT.

When Republicans become a party of a viable alternative politics I'll consider laying off the hate. After all, somebody has to reduce my confiscatory marginal tax rates every so often so I can go through another cycle of raising them again. Today's Republican party is perfectly evil, however, and needs no sympathy. I am not an Obama cultist by any means, but then again, I haven't met many people who are.

795 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #787 littleoldlady

OH.MY.GAWD!

OH.MY.GAWWWDDD!

Youse guyz! LOOK what you did!

Have some "fruitcup"! :-)

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY SURPRISE!

I just wanted to get into the Top Ten... WOW!

Let's go for two!

796 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:35:49am

re: #787 littleoldlady

OH.MY.GAWD!

OH.MY.GAWWWDDD!

Youse guyz! LOOK what you did!

Have some "fruitcup"! :-)

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY SURPRISE!

I just wanted to get into the Top Ten... WOW!

So you spent all morning alphabetizing our nicks? I am quite impressed!
Happy happy birthday!

797 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:36:15am

re: #784 realwest

Morning, RW
I was fuming to a co-worker yesterday about the Vets healthcare thing. After thinking about it for a while I've almost concluded that we're gonna win on that one. What do you think will ultimately happen?

798 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:36:17am

re: #658 MJ

I don't think most Israelis need to wake up. It's the US State Department and the MSM that need to wake up.
Then again, both groups want Israel destroyed, so this will have zero effect.

Then how the heck do you account for the Israeli election results?
Israelis are pretty much evenly divided on the issue of a two state solution.
Of course they need to wake up!

799 x-wing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:36:46am

re: #764 avanti

If it's taxpayer money, I disagree. Once the taxpayers own over 80% of your company, they have a right to see how the money is spent. Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars.

And it was Chris Dodd who wrote that bonus provision into the bill...so what's your point?

800 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #727 tfc3rid
Uh, you do know that y'all don't have to answer that question at all, right?

801 HoosierHoops  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:37:20am

re: #787 littleoldlady
Happy Birthday..Wishing you happiness and many many more!

802 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:37:58am

re: #791 tfc3rid

Just curious, has anyone visited the National Archives lately? Is the Constitution still there? Seems like it's not in effect right now...

There are several copies of the Constitution.

803 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:38:11am

LOL her eyelash slipped.
Sorry!

804 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:38:58am

Nah, maybe it is a facial problem of some kind...

805 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:39:02am

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

806 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:39:12am

re: #792 Sharmuta

It would seem so!

/who knew?!

And I love you back! {[{[{LGF!}]}]}

807 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:39:52am

re: #785 Aviator

I see Avanti has opened up his troll booth again.

Which post was the trolling, the one with the link to the quote being discussed, or the link to the poll being discussed ?
Again, I'll leave you to it, I need to get some work done, but please goggle all the MSN comments, even the ones you like. Later guys and gals.

808 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:39:55am

re: #805 WriterMom

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

They are hitting us so fast with so much crap, how could ANYONE keep up with it all.
Now the planes are defrocked. Sigh.

809 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:40:40am

re: #807 avanti

Which post was the trolling, the one with the link to the quote being discussed, or the link to the poll being discussed ?
Again, I'll leave you to it, I need to get some work done, but please goggle all the MSN comments, even the ones you like. Later guys and gals.

Makin you squirm a bit, eh avanti?

810 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:40:50am

re: #805 WriterMom

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

WHAT?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

He is not protecting the American people...

811 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:40:57am

re: #806 littleoldlady

It would seem so!

/who knew?!

And I love you back! {[{[{LGF!}]}]}

I knew you were loved. Have a very wonderful birthday today!

812 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:41:17am

Dems just want to demonize AIG so we ignore their high crimes and misdeeds.

813 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:41:35am

re: #733 AfrocityI'm so very glad that your life isn't in danger. As for surgery, it's not a big deal, you'll be fine. And, respectfully, to hell with Ann Coulter and her ilk; you want a child, you've worked hard, gotten an education and have the ability to raise a child so to hell with anyone who doesn't like it.

814 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:42:20am

re: #808 Wishing

They are hitting us so fast with so much crap, how could ANYONE keep up with it all.
Now the planes are defrocked. Sigh.

And the terrorists win again...

815 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:43:00am

re: #805 WriterMom

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

Snooze button? He's turned the alarm off.

816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:43:52am

re: #814 tfc3rid

And the terroristsman-caused disaster causers win again...

817 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:44:21am

re: #808 Wishing

They are hitting us so fast with so much crap, how could ANYONE keep up with it all.
Now the planes are defrocked. Sigh.

Geez, everyone knows guns on planes are far more dangerouss than a terrorist.
Guns, are evil, terrorist just misunderstood! You never know when a pilot might go berserk and hijack himself!

need I? ///

818 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:44:47am

Happy Birthday Little Old Lady!

819 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:00am

re: #808 Wishing

They are hitting us so fast with so much crap, how could ANYONE keep up with it all.
Now the planes are defrocked. Sigh.

What's next? No more air marshals?

820 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #817 jcm

Geez, everyone knows guns on planes are far more dangerouss than a terrorist.
Guns, are evil, terrorist just misunderstood! You never know when a pilot might go berserk and hijack himself!

need I? ///

Come on, let's be real here... The terrorists didn't use guns on 9/11... Why should the pilots?

/

821 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:24am

re: #819 Ward Cleaver

What's next? No more air marshals?

Excellent suggestion... I'll bring it up to the White House!

822 johnnyreb  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:25am

Anyone seen this?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

ACORN involved the Census? We are truly screwed if this happens.

823 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:30am

re: #805 WriterMom

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

Love the turd part - won't go there with any comment. Who better to have a gun than the last line of defense in the air? This presidink is just totally clueless. We are going to be attacked again and it will be ALL ON HIS WATCH won't it? He won't be able to blame Bush for this one and even Avanti cannot make an argument against that.

824 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:45:36am

re: #739 tfc3rid HEY! Did y'all say Charlotte? It's a great place cause there are SO MANY transplanted NYer's here and the native born folks are as warm and friendly as can be. If you ever seriously contemplate moving here, PLEASE e-mail me and I'll do all I can to answer your questions and facilitate your move!
Not joking either - Charlotte is a beautiful city with really friendly, nice people and enough "big city" atmosphere to ease the withdrawal from NYC pangs you'll get no matter where you move to! And we're a whole lot less corrupt than Chicago!

825 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:46:09am

re: #801 HoosierHoops

Hi, HH!

One question, what is a bracket/brackets?

I won't be able to sleep unless I know the answer to this :-)

So many people have mentioned these thingies, but the only brackets I know are things you put on a wall to hold up shelves, and punctuation marks!

Help me!

826 Sloppy  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:46:17am

This week I spent some time in the hospital for a minor surgical procedure. When the sedative wore off the nice nurses gave me a list of snacks I could have, because I hadn't been allowed to eat or drink before the procedure. There on the list, as prominent as if it had been in 120-point type, was FRUITCUP. I scarfed it up and silently thanked LittleOldLady for her contribution to modern medicine. I bet we won't get fruitcup in Obamacare. A belated Happy Birthday to Lol!

827 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:46:44am

Remember the mantra of the left...

The War on Terrorism is just a bumper sticker slogan...

828 rightside  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:46:53am

re: #823 bolivar


I beg to differ. avanti is the apologists apologist.

829 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:47:10am

Sec Def Gates is currently preparing the Quadrennial Defense Review for his Commander in Chief.

Now what was it Obama said about the Quadrennial Defense Review?
Ah yes... roll the tape, please...

Youtube Video
830 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:47:11am

re: #822 johnnyreb

Anyone seen this?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

ACORN involved the Census? We are truly screwed if this happens.

Fucking shocker.

831 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #828 rightside

I beg to differ. avanti is the apologists apologist.

Let him bring it on...

832 tfc3rid  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:48:00am

re: #824 realwest

Sorry realwest, my gf has no desire to move to Charlotte nor does she want to move to Raleigh...

833 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #806 littleoldlady

Happy Birthday {littleoldlady}!

Goodonya for reaching top comment too :-)

834 coquimbojoe  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:48:28am

re: #805 WriterMom

Did you guys discuss this yesterday? Was it posted anywhere?

Obama Quietly Ends Program Allowing Pilots to Carry Guns.

Hitting the 9/11 snooze button at the White House. What a turd!

Remember how hard the libs fought this? They just can't stand the thought of guns actually saving someone. They would be ruined!

835 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:48:32am

re: #744 Kenneth
HEY! What the hell do you think you're doing, spreading good news and cheer around here this morning, eh? (did that "eh?" sound Canadian?!)? LOL!
Thanks for that and good morning to you Kenneth - hope you and the family are doing ok.

836 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:48:58am
You don’t have to be a fantastic hero to do certain things — to compete. You can be just an ordinary chap, sufficiently motivated.

— Edmund Hillary

Like this guy? [sigh] Some days I just think I should skip reading the news.

Murderer: Made me feel better

He said he planned to kill the teens as "bait" to attract police, then take out officers one by one.

"I was either going to be shot and killed by police or be in prison for the rest of my life," he told AP.

With about eight teens swimming below, he dressed in camouflage and loaded his rifle.

He expected the teens to leave on a distant trail, where he could easily shoot them. But when they approached his hiding spot, he panicked and began spraying bullets.

One bullet hit 18-year-old Anthony Spigarelli, who had just graduated from Kingsford High School and had talked about becoming an engineer. He died, as did Tiffany Pohlson, 17, and Bryan Mort, 19. All were from Michigan.

Johnson fired about 17 shots in all. He would have fired more but his rifle jammed, so he fled and later surrendered to police.

In a letter he wrote from jail, Johnson said it would be insulting for him to claim he was "coo-coo."

"Right now I feel free. No more lies. No more (expletive)," he wrote. "The way the economy is going, I am really not that bad off."

837 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:49:04am
838 UFO TOFU  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:49:15am

re: #782 Golem Akbar

This might be someone for us to watch.

839 x-wing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #825 aussiemagpie

Hi, HH!

One question, what is a bracket/brackets?

I won't be able to sleep unless I know the answer to this :-)

So many people have mentioned these thingies, but the only brackets I know are things you put on a wall to hold up shelves, and punctuation marks!

Help me!

Here you go

Image: 2009_ncaa_bracket.jpg

840 HoosierHoops  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:50:51am

re: #825 aussiemagpie

Hi, HH!

One question, what is a bracket/brackets?

I won't be able to sleep unless I know the answer to this :-)

So many people have mentioned these thingies, but the only brackets I know are things you put on a wall to hold up shelves, and punctuation marks!

Help me!

LOL
Brackets are nothing more than a line up sheet for the top 64 college basketball teams..We fill it out to pick our hopeful winners and losers until there only 2 teams left for the National Championships...

841 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:51:09am

From Yahoo news - during the election I ran a search on AmeriCorps and Michelle is one of the founders
---

House to vote on tripling size of AmeriCorps

WASHINGTON – Both teens and baby boomers may soon be getting more opportunities to serve their communities.

A bill tripling the size of the AmeriCorps program that is scheduled for a House vote Wednesday would also create fellowships for people 55 and older and a separate Summer of Service program for middle and high school student volunteers.

The students in the new summer program would earn a $500 education award to help cover college costs.

The Obama administration on Tuesday endorsed the bill and its major focus: expanding AmeriCorps from 75,000 to 250,000 enrollees with a new emphasis on residents of low-income communities in the areas of education, clean energy, health and services for veterans.

Supporters say the bill comes at a time when more people are interested in serving their communities and more people could use the help.

"This is absolutely an American value," Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., told the House Rules Committee on Tuesday. "It's at the core of the American community."

But Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, said the legislation would dampen the efforts of established volunteer organizations such as the Boy Scouts of America and replace them with a government program.

"It's going to hugely diminish real volunteer organizations in favor of paid-stipend volunteers," Sessions said.

Obama's proposed budget for next year calls for more than $1.1 billion for national service programs, an increase of more than $210 million. Sponsors used next year's figure as a blueprint for the bill but were awaiting a cost analysis from budget experts.

Some AmeriCorps participants get a living stipend while they are working for 10 to 12 months. The stipend ranges from $11,400 to $22,800 for the year. Most participants, who are predominantly 18- to 26-year-olds, get $11,800. After completing the program, they can receive up to $4,725 to help pay for college or pay off student loans. The bill would increase the education award to $5,350 and requires that it match any future increases in Pell Grant scholarships.

Members of AmeriCorps work for nonprofit, faith-based or national organizations, such as Habitat for Humanity. They provide a variety of service, from mentoring young people to responding to disasters.

Over the last year, AmeriCorps has received three applications for every slot, according to the Corporation for National and Community Service, the agency that oversees the program.

Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., have introduced a similar measure that also adds 175,000 positions to AmeriCorps. A Senate committee is scheduled to vote on its legislation on Wednesday and it could come before the full Senate for a vote as early as next week.

842 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:51:18am

re: #824 realwest

HEY! Did y'all say Charlotte? It's a great place cause there are SO MANY transplanted NYer's here and the native born folks are as warm and friendly as can be. If you ever seriously contemplate moving here, PLEASE e-mail me and I'll do all I can to answer your questions and facilitate your move!
Not joking either - Charlotte is a beautiful city with really friendly, nice people and enough "big city" atmosphere to ease the withdrawal from NYC pangs you'll get no matter where you move to! And we're a whole lot less corrupt than Chicago!

Sounds like a blue state/

843 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:51:27am

Of course, the good news (///) is that our favorite local terrorist is now out of jail. And the Times thinks it's okay to just move onYour text to link.... /Welcome to Obama-land Mr. President.

844 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:52:05am

re: #826 Sloppy

Hope your recovery goes well.

845 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:52:21am

re: #819 Ward Cleaver

What's next? No more air marshals?

They'll still be allowed, but they'll be armed only with outstretched open hands, and the hopes of unclenched fists.

846 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:52:50am

RE my #772 Got this in an email...as is.

Did you ever wonder? I couldn't figure out why would the Congress let some firms go under and then bend over backwards to help others. This makes sense now! This sounds almost too logical...why hasn't it gotten national press coverage?

Remember when this economic crisis hit, and Congress let Bear Sterns go under, pushed a bunch of forced marriages between banks, etc.?
Then they bailed out AIG. At the time, I thought: "That's strange what does an insurance company have to do with this crisis?" I think I just found the answer. Among other things, AIG INSURES THE PENSION TRUST OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS! No wonder they got bailed out right away! To hell with the people, let's protect our future, said all our Senators and Congressmen. Nice to see where their loyalties lie! I'm from the government and I'm here to help myself !

847 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:52:52am

re: #843 Golem Akbar

Of course, the good news (///) is that our favorite local terrorist is now out of jail. And the Times thinks it's okay to just move onYour text to link.... /Welcome to Obama-land Mr. President.


Here's the link

848 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:53:50am

re: #839 x-wing

Here you go

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

A BIG Thank You from me :-)

AHA! It's the draw! Mystery solved and I can go to bed now!

849 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:54:14am

re: #761 lawhawk Lawhawk, you're not suggesting financial improprieties over this whole AIG mess are you? Politicans (mostly or all DEMOCRATS) playing give a little get a lot and all that?!
Why I'm shocked, SHOCKED I SAY! Not that you said it, but that it was so blantantly done - if we had a halfway decent MSM - who would tell the truth even if it hurt their buddies, even just once in a while, America would be a much better place.
Probably why they don't tell the truth about this shit.

850 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:55:02am

wrenchwench! :-)

re: #796 Wishing

So you spent all morning alphabetizing our nicks? I am quite impressed!
Happy happy birthday!

I be so talented! ;-)

Hoosier! :-)

851 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:55:46am

Oh, I see it's LOL's BD!

Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday LOL,
Happy birthday to you.

:.)

Oh and good news from Iraq too, thanks kenneth.

852 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:55:56am

re: #837 Iron Fist

Or watching any of the so-called "elites" discussing guns and gun control ...They reveal far more about their ignorance about the issues

I've mentioned before the Assistant US Attorney I knew, who prosecuted (among other things) gun crimes, and who was under the impression that a "Ruger" was just a cheap, Saturday-Night-Special knockoff of a "Luger".

853 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:55:58am

this is gonna piss off somebody...always a controversy


[Link: www.reason.com...]
[Link: www.detnews.com...]

854 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:56:03am

A friend just posted this link on her web site:

Too delicious to be true? Obama received "bonus" from AIG?

855 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:56:33am

Candidate Obama Hits the Trail

March 18, 2009 9:36 AM

Air Force One flies President Obama to California today, for two town hall meetings where the President will sell his economic policies and express outrage about the AIG retention bonuses.

Obama is so full of himself.

856 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:56:36am

The only good thing about having obama play the part of president is that focusing and blaming Bush is no longer in the actual mix of things and all the baffoonery in the House and such is becoming highly transparent.

857 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:56:40am

re: #840 HoosierHoops

LOL
Brackets are nothing more than a line up sheet for the top 64 college basketball teams..We fill it out to pick our hopeful winners and losers until there only 2 teams left for the National Championships...

Hi darls :-)

So it's a cross between a draw and a tipping comp then

Thanks so much, I've been wondering about this all week!

858 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:56:43am

Put a sock in it, Barney, no one gives a rat's ass what you would like to do or ever planned to do.

859 TheRealThing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:57:01am

Put yourself in Obama's place. You have no experience, you have only been around Harvard Prof.'s, you have been elected to office after being a community organizer, you went to church in Rev. Wrights church for years, you are married to Michael, you have a Chicago made man as your Chief of Staff, your a former ACORN atty, then the Republican Party self destructs, and your the President of the U.S.A. and you have no clue.

He is scared, so he flutters around shuffling paper work on his desk, attempting to look like he knows what to do.

860 Buck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:57:03am

Garofalo Paints Conservatives as Angry Racists Who Inspire Murder.

Nice mouth on this one...

"The right wing has a way of always having an enemy, whether it be immigrants or Arabs or brown-skinned people, black-skinned people, homosexuals, women. They all, kind of, rally around an enemy, an other, that they can get mad at. And death does occur."

"A lot of the people in the right-wing base are not the most intellectual people in the world, not the most savvy people in the world, and they are definitely quick to anger, and quick to blame other people. ... it's a very sad, sad thing, and it's part of the human nature of a personality type that tends to identify as Republican or conservative. And it's an unfortunate part of our society. It's a scourge on our society."

861 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:57:22am

Afrocity! :-)

aussie! :-)

I had help! ;-)

862 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #860 Buck

What an unhinged bitch.

863 x-wing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:57:52am

re: #850 littleoldlady

Happy Birthday {LOL}

864 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:01am

re: #821 tfc3rid

Excellent suggestion... I'll bring it up to the White House!

Avanti will send it up to his boss.

865 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:14am

turn! :-)

x-wing! :-)

866 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:30am

re: #855 Afrocity

Candidate Obama Hits the Trail

March 18, 2009 9:36 AM

Air Force One flies President Obama to California today, for two town hall meetings where the President will sell his economic policies and express outrage about the AIG retention bonuses.

Obama is so full of himself.

Quick! Swipe the teleprompter!

867 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #829 Kenneth

I'm guessing Obama is the first President in US History who explicitly promised to "slow the development" of our defense capacity. I doubt even Jimmy said that out loud.

868 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:47am

what happens when a town is completely controlled by democrats and ruled by Unions:

[Link: louminatti.blogspot.com...]

869 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:49am

Iraqi Public Opinion, Then and Now

On security, 85% of all respondents described the current situation as very good or quite good - up 23% on a year ago

If the news was bad, you can bet it would be front page headline. Good news is ignored.

Iraq is free & secure. Iraqis overwhelmingly support democracy. The surge worked. Bush was right. The "worst strategic disaster in US history" turned out ok after all.

Credit goes to the US armed forces and to the determination & vision of this man.

Now pray Obama doesn't throw it all away.

870 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:58:52am

re: #860 Buck

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

871 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:59:10am

re: #764 avanti
"Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars." Don't you ever get tired of apologizing for the Democrats? There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too.
Geez, check out Lawhawks' comment #590 and numerous other commenter's, too.

872 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:59:14am

{realwest!}

I haven't seen you in, like, forever!

873 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:59:34am
Quick! Swipe the teleprompter!

LOL! I saw an article this AM that while reading it, he accidentally complimented himself. LOL

874 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 7:59:47am

re: #867 Occasional Reader

I think Obama and Jimmy are really neck in neck competing for worst American president ever...but, it's only been a few months of BHO. He has lots of time to do more damage.

875 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:00:24am

re: #868 FrogMarch

what happens when a town is completely controlled by democrats and ruled by Unions:

[Link: louminatti.blogspot.com...]

It changes its name to Chicago.

876 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:00:27am

jobs Americans won't do?...


[Link: www.dcexaminer.com...]

877 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #860 Buck

Garofalo Paints Conservatives as Angry Racists Who Inspire Murder.

Nice mouth on this one...

She did the voice of Colette in Ratatouille. I couldn't get over a tattooed skank like her playing such a pretty woman.

878 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:00:57am

re: #873 Teacake!

His telepromter programmers also aren't the sharpest pencils in the box.

879 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:00:58am

Also saw an article on Drudge that Putin is pushing for a global currency.

880 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:22am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

She wanted Ben Stiller but he ended up with a pretty blond.

881 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:25am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

The libs in Hollyweird love her.

882 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:30am

re: #879 Teacake!

The dollar, no doubt?

883 Eowyn2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:38am

re: #288 littleoldlady

Everyone sing
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birrrthday dear littleoldlady, happy birthday to youuu.

884 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:44am

re: #854 WriterMom

A friend just posted this link on her web site:

Too delicious to be true? Obama received "bonus" from AIG?

Instead of asking AIG to give back their bonus, maybe he should try and set a good example by giving them back the contribution he received. Hypocrite ...

885 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:01:50am

re: #860 Buck

Garofalo Paints Conservatives as Angry Racists Who Inspire Murder.

Nice mouth on this one...

*burp*

886 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:06am

re: #879 Teacake!

Also saw an article on Drudge that Putin is pushing for a global currency.

Sounds like those "tinfoil" rumors about the "Amero" may be true.

887 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:10am

What I don't understand is how anyone in DC can stand Barney Frank and how is is even allowed inside the House. LOL

888 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:11am

re: #870 bolivar

She's a rag.

889 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:14am

re: #884 turn

Oh, yes that will happen.

890 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:17am

re: #871 realwest

"Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars." Don't you ever get tired of apologizing for the Democrats? There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too.
Geez, check out Lawhawks' comment #590 and numerous other commenter's, too.

Forget Avanti, he's drunk of the look-aid long and deep.
Facts don't matter. He's made numerous promises of revising his opinion if he was proved wrong, it's happen again and again, and he just sits and spins.

891 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #875 Afrocity

It changes its name to Chicago.

bingo!

892 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:29am

re: #865 littleoldlady

turn! :-)

x-wing! :-)

Believe me, I sound a lot worse in person :.)

893 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #879 Teacake!

Also saw an article on Drudge that Putin is pushing for a global currency.

At the rate the Toxic King is tanking the USA, Putin will have his way.

894 Ben Hur  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:02:42am

re: #860 Buck

Yes yes. I saw that too.

Republicans are the reason for jihad.

Super genius.

895 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:03:12am

re: #787 littleoldlady
WOOT! Hey there {littleoldlady} here's hoping your extra fruitcup bribe gift will get that comment into the top ten also!

Hey y'all - kindly upding lol at her #787!

896 HoosierHoops  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:03:29am

re: #857 aussiemagpie

Hi darls :-)

So it's a cross between a draw and a tipping comp then

Thanks so much, I've been wondering about this all week!

Hi Darlings! So around the water cooler You can tell your friends that you are picking Louisville to win the National NCAA Championship in Basketball..
When it comes true..you will be looked upon in awe and wonderment.
If they lose you can just blame me..It's a win-win thing..

897 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:03:44am

re: #860 Buck

"The right wing has a way of always having an enemy... They all, kind of, rally around an enemy, an other, that they can get mad at.

Gosh, Janine, isn't that what you're trying to do with that very statement?

Oh, never mind, you have your smart glasses on, so it must be a good idea.

898 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:03:58am
Afrocity -

re: #879 Teacake!

Also saw an article on Drudge that Putin is pushing for a global currency.

Sounds like those "tinfoil" rumors about the "Amero" may be true.

I think its worse. And I do fear things are going to get much worse. Oh boy.

899 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:17am

re: #880 Afrocity

She wanted Ben Stiller but he ended up with a pretty blond.

Um, Joan Rivers would be an improvement and SHE is the second most annoying person on the tube - or so I have read. I have no use for this ninny and I actually tried to listen to her when she was on AAR and after about 5 minutes I could not stomach any more. The BDS was so bad and she is so unfunny and inarticulate it was more than my little mind could bear.

900 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:19am

re: #856 Teacake!

The only good thing about having obama play the part of president is that focusing and blaming Bush is no longer in the actual mix of things and all the baffoonery in the House and such is becoming highly transparent.

and who has more class?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

901 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:25am

re: #883 Eowyn2

Eowyn2! :-)

YAY! A cacophony!
;-)

902 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:35am

re: #801 HoosierHoops

Happy Birthday..Wishing you happiness and many many more!

Seconded!
Sorry I wasn't online at the proper time!

{littleoldlady} - many happy returns!

903 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #812 Wishing

Dems just want to demonize AIG so we ignore their high crimes and misdeeds.

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.

I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!

904 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:57am

re: #845 Occasional Reader

They'll still be allowed, but they'll be armed only with outstretched open hands, and the hopes of unclenched fists.

What do want us to use? Harsh language? /Hicks.

Well, only if it's PC. /Obama

905 Golem Akbar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #862 WriterMom

What an unhinged bitch.

She plays an evil FBI agent on 24, as well. Typecasting, I guess.

906 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:05:44am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

I was sooo disappointed when it turned out that she wasn't the FBI mole - I really wanted to see Jack have a "talk" with her.

907 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:05:46am

re: #868 FrogMarch

what happens when a town is completely controlled by democrats and ruled by Unions:

[Link: louminatti.blogspot.com...]

what's left of that town is a madhouse obviously...I have friends up that way I visit...nothing like it in America on that scale

908 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:06:05am
909 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:06:09am

re: #895 realwest

Bwaha! Be careful! At my (newly MORE advanced) age I have to worry about heart palpitations...

;-)

910 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:06:16am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Its been a lovely spring day ehre - violets starting to flower, and wild primroses are out in the park.

Had to do some more tidying in theg arden while the sun was shining ...

Hope you're all enjoying a similarly beautiful Spring Day!

911 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:06:18am

re: #859 TheRealThing

He's even starting to fuck up using a teleprompter too. Ha!

912 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:06:41am

re: #894 Ben Hur

That must be why this happened.

913 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:07:12am

re: #838 UFO TOFU

This might be someone for us to watch.

You bet! She'll be a very exciting candidate and there needs to be someone with a modicum of executive experience to lead our state!

914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:07:24am

re: #880 Afrocity

She wanted Ben Stiller but he ended up with a pretty blond.



A pretty, funny & talented blonde - that's three strikes against her.

915 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:07:27am

yma o hyd! :-)

916 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:07:55am

Still golden.

A Special Message from Barack Obama's Teleprompter

917 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:07:56am

re: #908 Iron Fist

She acts like SHE is the fucking Empress of the States. Bitch.

918 Ben Hur  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:08:01am

re: #902 yma o hyd

Did you see this?!?


Youtube Video
919 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:08:19am

Bedtime here, so goodnight {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

Tonight's view of OZ...

The World Heritage listed Bungle Bungles National Park in Western Australia's Kimberley region

920 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:08:46am

re: #878 WriterMom

His telepromter programmers also aren't the sharpest pencils in the box.

From your link:

By the way, a few years ago The Economist did a cover story on Brazil headlined "The Meaning Of Lula." The following week, the letters page included this short missive from Asif Niazi:

Sir, The 'meaning of Lula' in Urdu is penis

Fortunately, he didn't have to campaign in Urdu. But the meaning of "Lula" in Portugese is actually "squid", which makes his political success kind of surprising. (Then again, we have a prominent political figure named "Newt", so why not.)

921 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.

I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!


So what you're saying is you support Government intrusion into business and the death of capitalism. Are you out of the closet or still a closet commie?

922 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:01am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.

I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!

You are falling for their ploy. Read...

re: #590 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Congress will be raking AIG's CEO over the coals today - demanding the rending of clothes, wearing sackcloth and tithing large sums - all because Congress failed to do due diligence before handing over the Treasury to AIG ($150 billion in bailouts - rewarding failure). Now, they're indignant because certain employees are getting deferred compensation packages - aka bonuses). They've known about this for a year and did nothing.

I'm outraged over the outrage. It's phony, and it makes the Democrats in charge look like they're doing something, but it's demogoguery. It's also an admission that bailouts were a bad idea because it rewards incompetence - the very arguments that these folks are now making to strip the executives of their bonuses. Why reward any of these companies with bailouts for their failures? Why reward homeowners who are facing foreclosure with a bailout for their own bad business decisions?

It's those questions that aren't getting asked - despite the fact that the amounts thrown to "fix" those problems exceed the AIG bonus situation by a factor of more than 100. We're talking about hundreds of billions in bailouts versus $165 million in "bonuses". Where was the outrage from Democrats over that?

There wasn't.

And that's why I'm outraged. It's all so much hypocrisy.

AIG is a smokescreen, don't fall for it.

923 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:09am

re: #835 realwest

Take off, eh, you hoser!

;)

We're doing fine thanks.

924 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #906 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was sooo disappointed when it turned out that she wasn't the FBI mole - I really wanted to see Jack have a "talk" with her.

Ditto, but that would have been too simple. I am still hoping she will get hers. Last year (2 years actually) 24 jumped the shark and they actually are not doing too bad this year - other than hiring this harpie.

925 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:16am

YAY! Just heard we have the highest debt in the history of America! 11 TRILLION fucking dollars!

Hope
Change
Booze!

926 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:22am
WriterMom -
re: #894 Ben Hur

That must be why this happened.

She is a truly vile being and an embarrassment to Jews.

927 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:32am

re: #850 littleoldlady

Little/big, old/young, you're always a lady!

Happy Birthday, LOL!

928 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:52am

re: #887 Teacake!

What I don't understand is how anyone in DC can stand Barney Frank and how is is even allowed inside the House. LOL

He comes in through the back door.

929 Eowyn2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:09:52am

re: #860 Buck

Garofalo Paints Conservatives as Angry Racists Who Inspire Murder.

Nice mouth on this one...

I'm sure Ms Garofalo has done an extremely vast amount of scientific research to provide these facts to us. She may even have spliced into the 'conservative/racist gene.' The super-brain intelligence of the woman speaks for itself. She's head and shoulders above the most educated, widely traveled unsavvy conservatives. How could we NOT recognize her genius?

/this tag is for those of you who may, in your conservative ignorance, be ill equipped to recognize sarcasm dripping with mild venom.

930 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:10:05am

re: #886 Afrocity

Sounds like those "tinfoil" rumors about the "Amero" may be true.

You're kidding, right?

931 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:10:37am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.
I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!

And when Barney decides that your company cannot give YOU a raise...then what?
Will you whine or complain? Oh, I see, your measly little raise isn't obscene, you say? Well to the man with no job, it is a kingdom! So cough it up and wipe your nose.
Spare, it would be nice if there was some trickle-down integrity, let's pray these dorks CHOOSE to keep their word, maybe it will start to rub off.

932 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:10:59am
933 Eowyn2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:11:09am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

I won't watch it anymore.

934 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:11:24am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

You will have 4 more years to be livid. Prove the people getting the "bonus" money were the culprits that caused the problems. The facts are the financial services group are the ones that did the things that caused the trouble but, most if not all of the bonus money is going to people that actually did their jobs correctly, ethically and legally. So your faux outrage is falling on deaf ears I am afraid.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.

I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!

935 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:11:29am

re: #897 Occasional Reader

Gosh, Janine, isn't that what you're trying to do with that very statement?

Oh, never mind, you have your smart glasses on, so it must be a good idea.

Wow, that bitch is deranged bat shit crazy.

936 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:11:48am

BO and gun rights

[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

937 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:11:50am

re: #930 Occasional Reader

Dude, really, there is a fine line between sanity and tinfoil land these days. Nothing and I mean NOTHING would suprise me these days.

938 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:12:05am

re: #921 soxfan4life

So what you're saying is you support Government intrusion into business and the death of capitalism. Are you out of the closet or still a closet commie?

Sticks and stones, asshole. I support the law of contract, which ought to deny bonuses to employees who ruin the company they work for!

939 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:12:50am

re: #797 Lincolntf
Well I think that several things could happen: one is that vet's paying for their own healthcare is dead. Two is it will possibly be the first time a significant number of Dems in Congress don't follow the lead of Obama, Pelosi and Reid - which will be a very good thing indeed and three is that FINALLY the godddamn MSM will have to acknowledge that Obama's not the one with all the answers - or at least the correct answers and they will HAVE to publish this coming revolt against the big three (I mean Obama, Pelosi and Reid) by their fellow Democrats, thereby hopefully encouraging other Dems to not vote in goose lock-step with the rest of the Party on issues where their party is WRONG.
BUT WE ALL have to do our duty by at least e-mailing our congress critters and letting them know how outraged we are at this truly contemptible attempt by the Democrats to deny our servicemen and women their just benefits for defending our nation and WE have to e-mail those congresscritters whether or not they are Republican or Democrats.

940 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:04am

Kremlin to pitch new currency

[Link: www.themoscowtimes.com...]

Lots of drama on Drudge this morning.

941 littleoldlady  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:05am

Russkilitlover! :-)

Gee, I could very happily hang here all day, what with the compliments flying the way they are. ;-)

But (verybigsigh) I'll be back later.

THANKS AGAIN, EVERYONE! :-) :-) :-)

942 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:05am

Teeheehee - I thought you all might enjoy this:

Irish PM Brian Cowen left red faced after delivering Obama speech at White House

From that link:
'As the Irish Taoiseach delivered his St Patrick's Day speech at the White House, it emerged that he was accidentally reading off the teleprompter one made by President Obama only minutes earlier.
A startled-looking Mr Cowen – realising he was experiencing more than the usual case of déjà vu – looked back at Mr Obama 20 seconds into his address, and said: "That's your speech!"'

See - the teleprompter can be effed about with - so get some clever Lizards to do it to PB0's telepormpter, for the nation!

943 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:22am

re: #930 Occasional Reader

You're kidding, right?

I hope I am. Am I ?

944 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:29am

The Syria Temptation—and Why Obama Must Resist It


Future historians of the Middle East will no doubt ponder how it was that Assad, inexperienced and brazen, managed to provoke the U.S., outrage world opinion, lose his stranglehold on Lebanon, risk war with Israel, have his nuclear ambitions exposed—and then emerge from it all in a comparatively strong position, with both Israel and the U.S. knocking on his door and seeking rapprochement. Was it luck or was it skill?

...Such considerations all lead to a single conclusion: No “process” between Syria and Israel under U.S. auspices is currently worth having. The regime in Damascus has offered no indication that it is prepared to accept Israel’s right to exist, or respect Lebanon’s sovereignty, or abandon its links to terrorism or to Iran. Instead, for nearly two decades, Syria has offered only indications to the contrary, indications that have multiplied since Bashar Assad came to power almost nine years ago. For Israel to engage in such a process risks its status as a sovereign, self-respecting nation, one that is nobody’s fool. And for the United States to do so risks the diminishment of its status as a serious power and a reliable ally.

945 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.

I don't see anyone "going to bat" for the AIG execs, as such. Speaking for myself, I am a LOT more worried about when prominent members of the US Congress start screaming about passing ex post facto laws, to punish people for doing something that was perfectly legal, but is suddenly unpopular.

If they do it to them, they can do it to you.

946 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:13:38am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID to see the hatred of the POTUS and Congress at such a level around here that people are prepared to go to bat for the bloodsucking bonus thieves at AIG on the basis of poorly reasoned quasi-legal opinions concerning the enforceability of the employment contracts.
How anyone here can accept on faith that AIG executives who presided over and implemented the ruination of the company are nevertheless legally entitled to those bonuses is way above my pay scale.

And so what if the government could have but failed to renegotiate the contracts? That does not excuse the malfeasance of the employees in question.

And so what if Obama is feigning outrage as a subterfuge or smokescreen? That too does not excuse the employees' wrongdoing.

I SUPPORT THE REVERSAL OF THE OBSCENE BONUSES!

Contract law dictates that these contractual agreements be enforced - the bonuses are part of contracted for employment with AIG. Congress knew that when they put together the bailouts (which I have generally opposed because THEY reward failure). Trying to void those contracts would violate employment law and contract law - creating lawsuits that taxpayers would end up having to pay for - well in excess of the amounts at issue.

Taxing the bejeebus out of those receiving the bonuses will end up hitting everyone in the financial sector (and beyond) and further decimate the NYC metro area economy, which is heavily dependent on those fields - and those receiving those kinds of bonuses spending on everything from homes, cars, and all kinds of services.

AIG was seen as a lynchpin to preventing the credit markets from defaulting and collapsing, so that's why all kinds of money was thrown their way, and Congress chose not to limit the bailout funds to only those operations that improve liquidity in the market, and not to executive compensation.

Now, Congress wants to make a show of their anger and indignation over the bonuses, ignoring their own culpability in this mess.

Besides, are the AIG employees receiving this compensation actually accused of wrongdoing? That's an unsupported assertion - so far I have seen no evidence of fraud, although I have read reports that NJ AG is looking into just that in other similar cases. Did they make bad business decisions? Yes, but that doesn't mean that they were fraudulent or criminal.

It also doesn't mean that they should get bailed out (which already occurred).

947 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:14:14am

re: #942 yma o hyd

Teeheehee - I thought you all might enjoy this:

Irish PM Brian Cowen left red faced after delivering Obama speech at White House

From that link:
'As the Irish Taoiseach delivered his St Patrick's Day speech at the White House, it emerged that he was accidentally reading off the teleprompter one made by President Obama only minutes earlier.
A startled-looking Mr Cowen – realising he was experiencing more than the usual case of déjà vu – looked back at Mr Obama 20 seconds into his address, and said: "That's your speech!"'

See - the teleprompter can be effed about with - so get some clever Lizards to do it to PB0's telepormpter, for the nation!

Visions of Anchorman & Bruce Almighty are dancing in my head.

948 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:14:35am

re: #934 bolivar

Well that didn't work out as I had planned it should be like this:


You will have 4 more years to be livid. Prove the people getting the "bonus" money were the culprits that caused the problems. The facts are the financial services group are the ones that did the things that caused the trouble but, most if not all of the bonus money is going to people that actually did their jobs correctly, ethically and legally. So your faux outrage is falling on deaf ears I am afraid.

949 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:15:06am

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

I think you should delve further into the AIG issue, it might clear your myopic eyes.

As far as "hating POTUS," I HATE his socialist agenda, I HATE his bailout after bailout, I HATE his dissing of our allies, I HATE his attempts to dismantle our economy and capitalism.

Do I HATE him, personally? No, not yet. But I'm not a slobbering fan sucking back the Kool-Aid and buying his snake oil.

950 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:15:18am

re: #922 jcm

AIG is a smokescreen, don't fall for it.

I agree with Lawhawk. But like I said, the fact remains that when all is said and done those employees should not be legally entitled to those bonuses.

951 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:16:04am

re: #938 Spare O'Lake

Sticks and stones, asshole. I support the law of contract, which ought to deny bonuses to employees who ruin the company they work for!

So you want the reversal of those contractually obligated bonuses? Or do you only favor contract law that is in your favor? And do you wish for the death of capitalism? Or do you really believe the government will stop at AIG and not go further. Barney Frank has already expressed his desire to limit compensation to all CEO's.

952 aussiemagpie  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:16:10am

re: #896 HoosierHoops

Hi Darlings! So around the water cooler You can tell your friends that you are picking Louisville to win the National NCAA Championship in Basketball..
When it comes true..you will be looked upon in awe and wonderment.
If they lose you can just blame me..It's a win-win thing..

As an Aussie and as you know us Aussies would bet on two flies crawling up a wall, can I put money on Louisville winning?

Our betting agencies do the American sports :-)

Seriously I don't bet often, just when we go to the horse races a few times a year, but I will get that draw and have a go

Now to bed...

953 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:16:18am

re: #946 lawhawk

Besides, are the AIG employees receiving this compensation actually accused of wrongdoing? That's an unsupported assertion - so far I have seen no evidence of fraud, although I have read reports that NJ AG is looking into just that in other similar cases. Did they make bad business decisions? Yes, but that doesn't mean that they were fraudulent or criminal.


I think that the general public somehow equates "bonus" with "unearned pay." Salary = good, bonus = bad.

954 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:16:24am

One of my kids found this game on teh intratubes.

The Trillion Dollar Bailout Game!

955 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #832 tfc3rid
Well ordinarily I'd say get another GF, but if that's how she feels and that handcuffs you to stay in NYC or move to a more frozen, corrupt city than NYC, good luck to you!
BTW - why does your GF dislike Charlotte? Does she know anything at all about it or does she dislike it just because it's "down South"?

956 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:17:06am

re: #950 Spare O'Lake

when all is said and done those employees should not be legally entitled to those bonuses

Please explain your use of the adjective "legally" in this sentence. Thank you in advance.

957 Eowyn2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:17:09am

re: #664 UberInfidel67

Caught a clip on Fox News here at 10:02 EST...That cow Nancy Pelosi calling for an end to workplace raids ...she's angry at immigration laws...this is from 10 days ago...she said it was unAmerican to enforce immigration law. She is guaranteeing them (illegals) that they WILL be allowed to work here. How lovely.

Queen Bee of the La Raza party of excellence

958 Lincolntf  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:17:36am

re: #920 Occasional Reader

Speaking of names, a kid named Grlenntys Chief Kickingstallionsims (those are the correct spellings, I double-checked) played in the NCAA "play-in game" last night. He's a 7-footer from Alabama St.

959 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:17:37am

re: #956 Occasional Reader

Please explain your use of the adjective "legally" in this sentence. Thank you in advance.

And remember to show your work.

960 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:17:38am

re: #950 Spare O'Lake

I agree with Lawhawk. But like I said, the fact remains that when all is said and done those employees should not be legally entitled to those bonuses.

So you are saying that the good faith contracts made by Geithner last year and Dodd two (?) weeks ago are...what?

961 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:01am

re: #945 Occasional Reader

I don't see anyone "going to bat" for the AIG execs, as such. Speaking for myself, I am a LOT more worried about when prominent members of the US Congress start screaming about passing ex post facto laws, to punish people for doing something that was perfectly legal, but is suddenly unpopular.

If they do it to them, they can do it to you.

Jim in Virginia said that this would be a bill of attainder, and as such would be unconstitutional. However, I thought a bill of attainder deprived the targets of their freedom. Can you clarify?

962 UFO TOFU  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:11am

re: #957 Eowyn2

Queen Bee of the La Raza party of excellence

That's good, can I borrow it?

963 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:23am

Perhaps he can't fix it. . .


President Obama has been in power for just over 50 days, but already critics believe his plans to save America from disaster are doomed

Magic unicorn fail?

964 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:25am

re: #938 Spare O'Lake

Sticks and stones, asshole. I support the law of contract, which ought to deny bonuses to employees who ruin the company they work for!

That is the job of the Board of Directors and the Shareholders. Govenment can and should only intervene in contracts when laws have been broken.

The Administration knew about this contracts when it approved the bailout.
The Fed ruled the contracts could not be set aside.
Sen. Dodd put an amendment in the Omnibus protecting the contracts, it's law signed by Obama that they can't be set aside.

Which is more outrageous, $165 million in legal contracts or the Trillions Obama and crew are spending to institute socialism?

You are falling for the Administration's head fake.

965 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:30am

re: #925 UberInfidel67

YAY! Just heard we have the highest debt in the history of America! 11 TRILLION fucking dollars!

Hope
Change
Booze!

Don't worry. After 0 prints enough money to cover it, we have 0bamaflation, and we go to new dollars, it will be worth about $11000.
But a loaf of bread will be $100
/

966 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:32am

re: #956 Occasional Reader

Please explain your use of the adjective "legally" in this sentence. Thank you in advance.

re: #959 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And remember to show your work.

And govern yourself accordingly.

967 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:18:38am

re: #946 lawhawk

Would you weigh in on my No. 961?

968 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:19:10am

re: #842 Afrocity
Oh and Illinois isn't?! Nope we went for Obama by a slim margin but it wasn't coming from NYCer's that moved down here - they came here to get away from the damn blue state mentality!

969 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:19:13am

re: #918 Ben Hur

No!
Gawd, tears streaming down my face, laughing!
That was just extraordinary!
hearted it for future reference, thanks a lot.

Only niggle - no credits for the intrepid Welsh Border Collies, without whom this would have been impossible!

Oh gosh, that was funny!

970 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:19:21am

linky...[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

971 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:19:27am

Former US President Jimmy Carter departs following a visit to the West Wing of the White House in Washington March 18, 2009.


Image: r2538205770.jpg

Carter was there to measure Obama so Carter can have the jacket altered for the WORST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME presentation

972 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:20:18am

re: #946 lawhawk

Now, Congress wants to make a show of their anger and indignation over the bonuses, ignoring their own culpability in this mess.

Great post as usual LH, this anger and indignation is a head fake to divert our attention while they turn democracy into socialism.

973 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:20:21am

re: #965 Kosh's Shadow
Whew! I feel better knowing that. Thank you : ( lol

974 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:20:36am

re: #931 Wishing

And when Barney decides that your company cannot give YOU a raise...then what?
Will you whine or complain? Oh, I see, your measly little raise isn't obscene, you say? Well to the man with no job, it is a kingdom! So cough it up and wipe your nose.
Spare, it would be nice if there was some trickle-down integrity, let's pray these dorks CHOOSE to keep their word, maybe it will start to rub off.

Fuck Barney.
Ther bonuses are wrong and should be reversed - not by Congress but by legal process before the courts. Any AIG employee who can prove his/her case can keep the bonus, but otherwise the bonuses must be repaid.

975 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #974 Spare O'Lake

Fuck Barney.
Ther bonuses are wrong and should be reversed - not by Congress but by legal process before the courts. Any AIG employee who can prove his/her case can keep the bonus, but otherwise the bonuses must be repaid.


no way...the money is gone...heads should roll tho

976 SurferDoc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

I think she ratted out Jack's location to the hitman, too.

977 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #951 soxfan4life

So you want the reversal of those contractually obligated bonuses? Or do you only favor contract law that is in your favor? And do you wish for the death of capitalism? Or do you really believe the government will stop at AIG and not go further. Barney Frank has already expressed his desire to limit compensation to all CEO's.

I believe in the rule of law. If you don't then I weep for you.

978 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:21:57am

Congress should also give back their raises before they make demands on others gains.

979 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #974 Spare O'Lake

Fuck Barney.
Ther bonuses are wrong and should be reversed - not by Congress but by legal process before the courts. Any AIG employee who can prove his/her case can keep the bonus, but otherwise the bonuses must be repaid.

And to hell with law and contracts and all that constitutional stuff.
Sigh

980 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #854 WriterMom
Howdy WriterMom - and did ya notice that it was published right here in Charlotte, N.C. (just mentioning that for tfc3rds benefit - and Afrocity's as well!)!

981 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:22:18am
982 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:22:31am

re: #961 MandyManners

Jim in Virginia said that this would be a bill of attainder, and as such would be unconstitutional. However, I thought a bill of attainder deprived the targets of their freedom. Can you clarify?

Actually, traditionally a "bill of attainder" related to inflicting CAPITAL punishment on a particular individual, without a trial and conviction under generally applicable criminal law. However, the provision in the Constitution barring bills of attainder has been interpreted to forbid any criminal punishment targeted at a particular individual, without his conviction under generally applicable law.

983 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:22:40am

re: #916 SasquatchOnSteroids

Still golden.

A Special Message from Barack Obama's Teleprompter

heh. The truth hurts. I expect we won't be seeing that on Jon Stewart, Ayn-Rand-hating Stephen Colbert or the Olberdouch show.

984 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:01am

re: #968 realwest

Oh and Illinois isn't?! Nope we went for Obama by a slim margin but it wasn't coming from NYCer's that moved down here - they came here to get away from the damn blue state mentality!

There are two reasons Obama won his home state, other than it is home state.
1. White guilt. Yes, there was a lot of that crappola going around, even Downstate.
2. The Machine votes. They pushed very hard to get every last vote out of Cook County this time around.

985 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:09am

re: #977 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law. If you don't then I weep for you.

you are contradicting yourself...there is nothing illegal with the money

986 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:20am

re: #974 Spare O'Lake

but otherwise the bonuses must be repaid

Should they also repay holiday pay? vacation pay? pay more of the company provided health insurance?
I bet you''ll say no to all of those, but the bonuses are just a perk, like all the other things I listed

987 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:26am

re: #936 albusteve

BO and gun rights

[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

First, they take away our guns.

988 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:52am

re: #981 Iron Fist

Lovely. The problem is, when the prosecutor says such things, juries will believe them. And when they are taht far gone, expecting them to correct themselves (or accept constructive criticism from others).

Oh, you remember asking me about whether to go with high-dollar extra clips for your Kimber? I was kind of ambivilent then, but when the same general question was asked of me and it was my money on the line, I went with the high-dollar mags (Novacks for me). They are still only $25 a pop, so it isn't like I'm spending a fortune to have an adequate supply.

Ahh..I just got a new toy...Let me hunt up a pic for you

989 Ben Hur  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:55am

THREAD ME!

Ron Paul's "Bruno" Scene Revealed

Spoiler alert!

We just reported that Sacha Baron Cohen stirred up trouble in Arkansas by staging a cage fight event only to surprise the 1,500 attendees with something completely different. Instead of the fighting, beer and hot women, Cohen and another male actor stripped down to their underwear and made out passionately.

Now the Slate website is reporting another stunt from the upcoming "Bruno" movie, this time involving the Texas Congressman (former Republican Presidential candidate) Ron Paul. The following information contains spoilers from the movie.

SPOILERS AHEAD:

The scene with Paul, filmed in early 2008, occurs about halfway through the movie, after Bruno gets the idea that you have to make a sex tape to become famous.

Cut to a hotel suite where Bruno sits across from Ron Paul. After a brief exchange of pleasantries, a light blows out on the set. Bruno apologizes for the technical difficulties and suggests that he and Paul wait in the other room while the crew fixes the light.

The other room, it turns out, is a bedroom. The lighting is low, and the film is now grainy — not unlike a sex tape — as it cuts to a hidden spy camera. There's a spread of Champagne and strawberries and caviar on a table.

Bruno tells Paul to make himself comfortable. Paul sits down on the bed. Bruno turns on some music and starts dancing. Paul is visibly uneasy but doesn't say anything at first. He picks up a newspaper and pretends to read it.

Finally, Paul asks what's going on. "Don't worry about it, Dr. Paul," says Bruno, who then unbuckles his belt and drops his pants. At that point, Paul snaps up and storms out of the room. As Paul is walking away, you can hear him say, several times, something like, "This guy is a queer!"

Some other parts of the movie involve Bruno enrolling in a homosexual reprogramming course with evangelical Christians, spending the whole time hitting on the trainers. He sits down with a leader of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, who tells Bruno to leave after Bruno tells him "your King Osama" looks like a "dirty wizard." And during an interview with Paula Abdul, Bruno makes immigrant day laborers get down on their hands and knees and serve as furniture.

990 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:23:59am

re: #976 SurferDoc

I think she ratted out Jack's location to the hitman, too.

That's right - how did the hitman find out where Jack was?

991 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:24:21am

re: #953 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think that the general public somehow equates "bonus" with "unearned pay." Salary = good, bonus = bad.

Or some people think that if a company ends up requiring the government to rescue it due to their own actions, then maybe they didn't earn the money.
Which leads to the question of why execs get contracts that let them royally screw up and walk away with enough money to live well for the rest of their lives, while employees that did a good job end up losing their savings and retirement. (Not necessarily the AIG case, but this sets the mood.)

992 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:24:31am

re: #974 Spare O'Lake

Any AIG employee who can prove his/her case can keep the bonus

Ah, so we just pull the old switcheroo on that silly "burden of proof" thingy... no problem!

///

993 alegrias  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:24:52am

Obama's going to California this afternoon, the basket case begging for bailouts, where Pelosi's promising illegal immigrants they are the most deserving of her attention.

We can overturn Pelosi's party soon, in 2010. Let's throw her bums out!

994 soxfan4life  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:24:56am

re: #977 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law. If you don't then I weep for you.

Yet when the AIG bonuses have already been signed into the law, because we had to rush through both the stimulus package as well as the Omnibus spending bill, you advocate not allowing them. Stay strong and don't fall for his jedi mind trick. He's holding this phony outrage out with his right hand, so we don't keep an eye on his left hand.

995 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:03am

re: #987 FrogMarch

First, they take away our guns.

the indignation these people suffer really disturbs me...and the DPD is in on it...they are corrupt

996 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:22am

re: #964 jcm

That is the job of the Board of Directors and the Shareholders. Govenment can and should only intervene in contracts when laws have been broken.

The Administration knew about this contracts when it approved the bailout.
The Fed ruled the contracts could not be set aside.
Sen. Dodd put an amendment in the Omnibus protecting the contracts, it's law signed by Obama that they can't be set aside.

Which is more outrageous, $165 million in legal contracts or the Trillions Obama and crew are spending to institute socialism?

You are falling for the Administration's head fake.

I'm falling for nothing.
I refuse to choose between two egregious wrongs.

997 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:29am

re: #982 Occasional Reader

Actually, traditionally a "bill of attainder" related to inflicting CAPITAL punishment on a particular individual, without a trial and conviction under generally applicable criminal law. However, the provision in the Constitution barring bills of attainder has been interpreted to forbid any criminal punishment targeted at a particular individual, without his conviction under generally applicable law.

So, it doesn't apply to a civil matter?

998 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:30am

Cool Geek of the Year Award Winner...

Computer programmer from Finland has lost finger replaced with USB drive

Jerry Jalava has built a special prosthetic finger which contains computer storage for photos, movies and other useful files.

While the prosthetic looks like a normal finger Jerry can peel it back from the 'nail' and plug it into the USB slot on his computer using it as an additional hard drive.

999 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:31am

re: #961 MandyManners

Jim in Virginia said that this would be a bill of attainder, and as such would be unconstitutional. However, I thought a bill of attainder deprived the targets of their freedom. Can you clarify?

A bill of Attainder is a special legislative act prescribing capital punishment, without trial, for a person guilty of a high offense such as treason or a felony. Similar is a Bill of Pains and Penalties, which prescribes punishment less severe than capital punishment. Both are unconstitutional.

1000 TheRealThing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:32am

Carter and Obama in our White House. That does it for me today. Must get busy and not think of this for a while.

1001 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:39am

re: #872 littleoldlady
Hey there {littleoldlady} - well if y'all would adjust your sleeping schedule to something resembling normal, then we'd see each other so much more often! LOL!
Happy Birthday to you - again, and many, many more!

1002 bolivar  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:25:48am

re: #976 SurferDoc

I think she ratted out Jack's location to the hitman, too.

Just another nail in her coffin! Jack will not let that slide...

1003 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:07am

Tacky tacky tacky...from my inbox:

A woman went to her doctor for advice. She told him that her husband had developed a penchant for anal sex, and she was not sure that it was such a good idea.
"Do you enjoy it?", the doctor asked.
"Actually, yes, I do."
"Does it hurt you?" he asked.
"No, I rather like it.."
"Well, then," the doctor continued, "there's no reason that you shouldn't practice anal sex, if that's what you like, so long as you take care not to get pregnant."

The woman was mystified. "What? You can get pregnant from anal sex?"
"Of course," the doctor replied, "where do you think liberals come from?"

1004 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:16am

re: #916 SasquatchOnSteroids

Still golden.

A Special Message from Barack Obama's Teleprompter

Beautiful. Gotta love Iowahawk.

1005 yma o hyd  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:17am

You think the AIG Bonuses are bad?

Look at this expensive cock0up, in which our government (and a special crony of Gord!) were involved:
Disgraced banker Sir Fred Goodwin got £1.8 million tax break
'Royal Bank of Scotland agreed to pay a £1.8 million tax bill on behalf of its disgraced chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin on top of his £16.9 million pension pot.
The bank, which posted the biggest loss in British corporate history last year, also backdated Sir Fred’s pension to give him an additional ten years’ worth of retirement contributions free, MPs were told.
The State is also footing the bill for Sir Fred’s legal costs to defend himself from investigations by the Treasury and UKFI, the state body set up to manage the taxpayer’s interests. '

Of course, nobody knew anything, or understood anything ... thats top bankers and financial geniusses, and government watchdogs ...

You think your economy is in the tank? Ours is in the Mariana Trench ...

1006 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:21am

re: #950 Spare O'Lake

I agree with Lawhawk. But like I said, the fact remains that when all is said and done those employees should not be legally entitled to those bonuses.

The contracts are already signed, the are LEGAL.

If you begin to retroactively rescind legal contracts for political purpose, and hypocritical outrage the damage to our economy will be incalculable.

Contracts will be subject to political whims. Few will enter into contracts, if the terms can later be rescinded because it's outrageous.

You need to get past the outrage over the bonuses, and look at the big picture. AIG should have been allowed to fail, no doubt, In that way the contracts could have legally been revised. Congress fiat is the wrong way to it no matter how outrageous.

1007 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:45am

re: #977 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law.

Evidently, no, you don't.

1008 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:26:56am

re: #1000 TheRealThing

Carter and Obama in our White House. That does it for me today. Must get busy and not think of this for a while.

Please see my #971

1009 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:27:09am

re: #977 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law. If you don't then I weep for you.

The law is the contracts are legal.

1010 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:28:03am

re: #1007 Occasional Reader

Evidently, no, you don't.

That's why you're the law-talking guy & he's not.

1011 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:28:20am

Gotta go for now. Later.

1012 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:28:28am

re: #979 Wishing

And to hell with law and contracts and all that constitutional stuff.
Sigh

I believe in the rule of law and I want the courts to decide the legality of the bonuses. It is you who seems willing to assume that the bonuses are legal.

1013 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:28:34am
1014 HoosierHoops  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:28:56am

re: #952 aussiemagpie

As an Aussie and as you know us Aussies would bet on two flies crawling up a wall, can I put money on Louisville winning?

Our betting agencies do the American sports :-)

Seriously I don't bet often, just when we go to the horse races a few times a year, but I will get that draw and have a go

Now to bed...


Good Night Aussie..Don't bet on my pick.. Not once in my life have I ever picked the winner...

1015 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:29:53am

re: #909 littleoldlady
Hah, no you don't you spring chicken you! One more time: "WOOT! Hey there {littleoldlady} here's hoping your extra fruitcup bribe gift will get that comment into the top ten also!

Hey y'all - kindly upding lol at her #787!"

1016 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:05am

re: #918 Ben Hur

OMG! Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! What a way to start the day, that was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

Thank you, Ben Hur!

1017 Teacake!  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:10am

I think the time has come for every state to leave the Union. (don't know how to spell suseed)

1018 UberInfidel67  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:13am

LINCOLN AND OBAMA ARE VERY MUCH ALIKE 1. Lincoln placed his hand on the Bible for his inauguration. Obama used the same Bible.
2. Lincoln came from Illinois . Obama comes from Illinois .
3. Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature. Obama served in the Illinois Legislature.
4. Lincoln had very little experience before becoming President. Obama had very little experience before becoming President.
5. Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration. Obama rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration.
6. Lincoln was a skinny lawyer. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
7. Lincoln was a Republican. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
8. Lincoln was highly respected. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
9. Lincoln was born in the United States . Obama is a skinny lawyer.
10. Lincoln was honest, so honest he was called Honest Abe. Obama is a skinny lawyer.

1019 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:25am

re: #1012 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law and I want the courts to decide the legality of the bonuses. It is you who seems willing to assume that the bonuses are legal.

Were the parties forced? Were they insane? Bribed? Those things would make the CONTRACTS illegal. Otherwise, according to LAW, they are legal and demand fulfilling.

1020 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:27am

re: #999 Creeping Eruption

A bill of Attainder is a special legislative act prescribing capital punishment, without trial, for a person guilty of a high offense such as treason or a felony. Similar is a Bill of Pains and Penalties, which prescribes punishment less severe than capital punishment. Both are unconstitutional.

What's to prevent Congress from passing a law about these bonuses specifically? If they cannot, I can see them forbidding bonuses that are more than X amount of money.

1021 irongrampa  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:47am

Good morning from the Adirondacks. Warm (50's) and breezy this am. Weatherman says several more days like this, then seasonable after that. Happy days.

Went to the range yesterday, and made a lotta smoke and noise with the charcoal burners. Surprisingly, I got several groups you could cover with a half-dollar. Not bad for something that represents Civil War technology. Been using them more frequently, since .45ACP is getting hard to find, even up in the sticks.

1022 Buck  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:30:48am

re: #931 Wishing

And when Barney decides that your company cannot give YOU a raise...then what?

If Barney gives my company billions of dollars, and saves my job... then ya I guess it is ok that I don't get a raise. I get to keep my phoney baloney job...That should be enough.

You know what... I work hard. Harder than anyone else at my company. I did what I had to do. I canceled family vacations because of work, I worked weekends...

The company is not doing well. Not my fault... the economy, the marketing people... who knows... BUT I do know I didn't lose money.

Now it comes time for a raise... A bonus... I don't get one. Again, no one is saying I did anything wrong... it's just that there is no money for raises and bonuses when the company does poorly.

I can't for the life of me understand a "Bonus" system that rewards failure. It is impossible for me to imagine an employment contract that outlines a bonus tied to actual failure.

NOW WITH THAT SAID... I do not think this has anything to do with bonuses. AIG, and all the rest helped pay the Billion dollars to get Obama and the dems elected... this is payback. AIG, ACORN, CITI, and especially FANNY AND FREDDIE!

1023 albusteve  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:31:06am

re: #1014 HoosierHoops

Good Night Aussie..Don't bet on my pick.. Not once in my life have I ever picked the winner...

your time will come weedhoppa...endeavor to perceviere

1024 turn  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:31:21am

re: #993 alegrias

Did you see that Pelosi video link at Drudge this AM? Very weird ...

1025 lifeofthemind  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:31:23am

re: #955 realwest

Well ordinarily I'd say get another GF, but if that's how she feels and that handcuffs you to stay in NYC or move to a more frozen, corrupt city than NYC, good luck to you!

He what is this with using GF, handcuffs and NYC in the same sentence? This is a family blog, I ought to report you. At least you could include pics.

1026 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:31:45am

re: #1020 MandyManners

What's to prevent Congress from passing a law about these bonuses specifically? If they cannot, I can see them forbidding bonuses that are more than X amount of money.

You do that BEFORE signing ion the dotted line, not AFTER.

1027 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:31:49am

re: #992 Occasional Reader

Ah, so we just pull the old switcheroo on that silly "burden of proof" thingy... no problem!

///

Where I come from we decide civil cases on a balance of probabilites. The courts can decide the legality of the bonuses and the validity of any relevant legislation.

1028 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:32:23am

re: #1012 Spare O'Lake

I believe in the rule of law and I want the courts to decide the legality of the bonuses. It is you who seems willing to assume that the bonuses are legal.

The bonuses (which have been part of corporate America as well as the entire free world) were part of the contracts prior to the bailout. They would have had to be negotiated out as a stipulation to the bailot. If they were negotiated out, THEN given anyway, there would have been a violation. In that they were NOT negotiated out, no violation occured
It would be akin to you taking a union job at GM. Part of your compensation is 4 weeks PAID vacation. The gov't bails out GM withoiut concessions from the union (i.e. YOU) After the fact, the gov't states that you can only get 1 DAY paid vacation

1029 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #871 realwest

"Most of the bonuses were over a million dollars each and paid to the division that failed using taxpayer dollars." Don't you ever get tired of apologizing for the Democrats? There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too.
Geez, check out Lawhawks' comment #590 and numerous other commenter's, too.

I missed the link that showed
" There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too."

If they both knew all that in February of 2008, well before GW even knew there was trouble at AIG, I'll have to agree we have a major scandal on our hands, anxiously waiting for the link.

1030 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:33:42am

re: #590 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Congress will be raking AIG's CEO over the coals today - demanding the rending of clothes, wearing sackcloth and tithing large sums - all because Congress failed to do due diligence before handing over the Treasury to AIG ($150 billion in bailouts - rewarding failure). Now, they're indignant because certain employees are getting deferred compensation packages - aka bonuses). They've known about this for a year and did nothing.

I'm outraged over the outrage. It's phony, and it makes the Democrats in charge look like they're doing something, but it's demogoguery. It's also an admission that bailouts were a bad idea because it rewards incompetence - the very arguments that these folks are now making to strip the executives of their bonuses. Why reward any of these companies with bailouts for their failures? Why reward homeowners who are facing foreclosure with a bailout for their own bad business decisions?

It's those questions that aren't getting asked - despite the fact that the amounts thrown to "fix" those problems exceed the AIG bonus situation by a factor of more than 100. We're talking about hundreds of billions in bailouts versus $165 million in "bonuses". Where was the outrage from Democrats over that?

There wasn't.

And that's why I'm outraged. It's all so much hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy? Horseshit. It's a smoke-screen, a calculated diversion, to punish, in this case, the innocent and protect - through the camouflage of indignation - the incompetent at the highest levels of power, including a completely incompetent President.

1031 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:34:42am
1032 Wishing  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:34:46am

re: #1029 avanti

I missed the link that showed
" There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too."

If they both knew all that in February of 2008, well before GW even knew there was trouble at AIG, I'll have to agree we have a major scandal on our hands, anxiously waiting for the link.

Avanti, it wont work.

1033 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:34:50am

re: #1006 jcm

The contracts are already signed, the are LEGAL.

If you begin to retroactively rescind legal contracts for political purpose, and hypocritical outrage the damage to our economy will be incalculable.

Contracts will be subject to political whims. Few will enter into contracts, if the terms can later be rescinded because it's outrageous.

You need to get past the outrage over the bonuses, and look at the big picture. AIG should have been allowed to fail, no doubt, In that way the contracts could have legally been revised. Congress fiat is the wrong way to it no matter how outrageous.

With all due respect, you will pardon me if I do not simply take your word for it that the bonuses are legal and enforceable.

1034 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:34:56am

Wow, 75 updings on fruitcup. Happy Berfday, LoL! If you're still here...

Good morning, Lizards!

1035 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:35:06am

re: #998 Kenneth

PULL MY FINGER!

1036 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:36:12am

re: #1020 MandyManners

What's to prevent Congress from passing a law about these bonuses specifically? If they cannot, I can see them forbidding bonuses that are more than X amount of money.

The bonuses are signed contracts. If Congress starts passing laws voiding contracts, all future contracts will be subject to the political whim of congress.

If contracts are not sacrosanct, except for illegal activity, business will devastated.

The only way to void these bonuses was for AIG to go into Chapter 11. Congress knew that, and about the bonuses when it bailed out AIG.

By bailing out AIG congress and the administration AGREED TO PAY THE BONUSES!

1037 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:36:38am
1038 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:37:06am

re: #1031 buzzsawmonkey

4) In the context of the multi-trillion dollars of bailout money, the $165 million in bonuses is such a tiny drop of money that if it was a drop of milk falling into a meat cholent it would not render the dish unkosher. It is that small, in proportion. It is precisely because it is that small that it is generating so much outrage; it is small enough to be comprehensible, just as "incompetents getting big bonuses on our money" is small and immediate enough to be comprehensible. As such, it serves the invaluable purpose of drawing attention away from the larger wastes of money, the larger financial outrages, the larger incompetencies, which both involve greater sums and are more complex.

DINGDINGDING!

1039 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:37:19am

re: #1026 Wishing

You do that BEFORE signing ion the dotted line, not AFTER.

And, Congress is not a party to the contract.

1040 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:37:42am

re: #1029 avanti

I missed the link that showed
" There is more than abundant evidence that Geithner AND Obama knew not only that those bonuses were going to be paid nearly a year before they were and they knew who it was that was getting the $165,000,000 bonuses too."

If they both knew all that in February of 2008, well before GW even knew there was trouble at AIG, I'll have to agree we have a major scandal on our hands, anxiously waiting for the link.


"This administration could have and should have ... prevented this from happening. They had a lot of leverage two weeks ago."

That would be when the Treasury Department decided to make an additional $30 billion available to American International Group Inc., the huge insurance conglomerate deemed too big to fail by two administrations.

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Had nothing to do with February 2008

1041 realwest  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:38:50am

re: #984 Honorary Yooper
Good morning HY! You forgot to add the payments made by, among others, members of ACORN on behalf of King Daley and (now) President Obama!

1042 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:38:55am

re: #1020 MandyManners

What's to prevent Congress from passing a law about these bonuses specifically? If they cannot, I can see them forbidding bonuses that are more than X amount of money.

Well, not trying to be flip or not answer your question, Congress can pass any law it wants to - it must pass constitutional muster to be applied. They will undoubtedly come up with a novel idea, pas a law, and it will work its way through the courts. By the time the issue is resolved, the country will be well on its way to recovery and this issue will probably be in the dustbin of history.

1043 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:39:05am

re: #1036 jcm

The bonuses are signed contracts. If Congress starts passing laws voiding contracts, all future contracts will be subject to the political whim of congress.

If contracts are not sacrosanct, except for illegal activity, business will devastated.

The only way to void these bonuses was for AIG to go into Chapter 11. Congress knew that, and about the bonuses when it bailed out AIG.

By bailing out AIG congress and the administration AGREED TO PAY THE BONUSES!

And all this outrage is just a fucking smokescreen to take the heat off of Dodd and FCBBHO.

1044 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:39:18am

re: #1019 Wishing

Were the parties forced? Were they insane? Bribed? Those things would make the CONTRACTS illegal. Otherwise, according to LAW, they are legal and demand fulfilling.

You are not a judge and you do not have all the facts. And neither do I.
A bonus must usually be earned, based on performance of the individual and/or the performance of the company. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that there is no issue here?

1045 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:39:25am

re: #1033 Spare O'Lake

With all due respect, you will pardon me if I do not simply take your word for it that the bonuses are legal and enforceable.

Look up the word CONTRACT

1046 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #1042 Creeping Eruption

Well, not trying to be flip or not answer your question, Congress can pass any law it wants to - it must pass constitutional muster to be applied. They will undoubtedly come up with a novel idea, pas a law, and it will work its way through the courts. By the time the issue is resolved, the country will be well on its way to recovery and this issue will probably be in the dustbin of history.

And, FCBBHO might be able to pack the court by the time it reaches the USSC.

1047 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:40:39am

re: #1033 Spare O'Lake

With all due respect, you will pardon me if I do not simply take your word for it that the bonuses are legal and enforceable.

Political Heat Sears AIG
Obama Vows to Block Bonuses, but It May Be Too Late; Firm Pressured to Repay U.S.

Mr. Obama's statements came as his administration grappled with how to manage a bipartisan firestorm that erupted after the weekend news of the bonuses, and word from his aides Sunday that they couldn't do anything to stop the payments.

An administration official said that on Friday Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner discussed the bonuses and compensation going forward with AIG's government-appointed chief executive, Edward Liddy. Mr. Liddy informed Mr. Geithner he intended to pay out the bonuses, and the Treasury secretary said there was nothing he could do legally to stop that.

1048 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:41:41am
1049 MandyManners  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:42:51am

re: #1044 Spare O'Lake

You are not a judge and you do not have all the facts. And neither do I.
A bonus must usually be earned, based on performance of the individual and/or the performance of the company. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that there is no issue here?

I could be wrong but, non-performance is not an issue unless AIG claims it since no one but AIG and the executives who are getting the bonuses have standing to sue.

1050 HippieforLife  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #733 Afrocity

I wish you all the best. You sound like a pretty strong woman and willing to work for what you want.

1051 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:45:10am

re: #1046 MandyManners

And, FCBBHO might be able to pack the court by the time it reaches the USSC.

Well . . .there is always that issue . . .

1052 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:45:13am

re: #1044 Spare O'Lake

You are not a judge and you do not have all the facts. And neither do I.
A bonus must usually be earned, based on performance of the individual and/or the performance of the company. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that there is no issue here?


Baseball players,. who are employees of companies, get bonuses for SHOWING UP ON TIME (1st day of spring training),, NO performance necesarry, just SHOW UP.
As I stated,,, look up the word CONTRACT

1053 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:47:12am

re: #1029 avanti

The NYT spells it out:

Mr. Liddy, whom Federal Reserve and Treasury officials recruited after A.I.G. faltered last September and received its first round of bailout money, said the bonuses and “retention pay” had been agreed to in early 2008 and were for the most part legally required.

The company told the Treasury that there were two categories of bonus payments, with the first to be given to senior executives. The administration official said Mr. Geithner had told A.I.G. to revise them to protect taxpayer dollars and tie future payments to performance.

The second group of bonuses covers some 2008 retention payments from contracts entered into before government involvement in A.I.G. Indeed, in his letter to Mr. Geithner, Mr. Liddy wrote that he had shown the details of the $450 million bonus pool to outside lawyers and been told that A.I.G. had no choice but to follow through with the payment schedule.

As Legalbgl wrote yesterday:

That's right, when the government bailed out AIG last year, they already knew of the fact that these bonuses were to be paid out, and the government agreed that they were necessary and legal.

Additionally, as the New York Times article states, an amendment to the Executive Compensation Restriction Act, added by Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd, exempted these very bonuses.

While I agree that AIG should be stingy in its bonus structure, I am more outraged at the way the Obama administration attempts to play us, the people, and feign outrage over something that they already knew about, and the government already approved. Obama wants us to think this is news, when in fact it's history. The only recent turn of events is the fact that the bonuses are now due.

1054 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:49:48am

re: #1049 MandyManners

I could be wrong but, non-performance is not an issue unless AIG claims it since no one but AIG and the executives who are getting the bonuses have standing to sue.

Depending on the law of the applicable jurisdiction, a shareholder could file a direct action against the officers of the corporation if they were individually harmed by their actions, or a derivative action in the name of the corporation.

1055 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:49:55am

re: #1031 buzzsawmonkey

Listening to NPR this morning, they mentioned that Obama was going out on several "campaign-style town meetings"--and, as some have noted, he is appearing on Leno, where, the NPR announcer observed, he "may have to suffer through some barbed jokes about AIG." What does this tell us?

1) Again, Obama cannot stop campaigning and start governing. Campaigning is all he knows, and so he's going out to whip up the crowds and keep his supporters' enthusiasm high.

2) If Obama's town meetings are covered, that is just so much media time that will not be spent covering what the Stimulus and his other bills actually are doing, or will do--the projected ACORN participation in the census, the proposed "compulsory volunteer" bill, the groundwork for Obama's national health plan supposedly contained in the Stimulus, etc., etc., not to mention anything to do with foreign policy and terrorism. It's a distraction.

3) To the extent that the AIG bailout remains in the news--even in the negative form of the bonus outrage--it helps to keep the "Blame Bush for Everything" meme alive, since the first AIG bailout, though not the subsequent ones, happened under Bush, and therefore can be claimed to be something that Bush committed the current administration to.

4) In the context of the multi-trillion dollars of bailout money, the $165 million in bonuses is such a tiny drop of money that if it was a drop of milk falling into a meat cholent it would not render the dish unkosher. It is that small, in proportion. It is precisely because it is that small that it is generating so much outrage; it is small enough to be comprehensible, just as "incompetents getting big bonuses on our money" is small and immediate enough to be comprehensible. As such, it serves the invaluable purpose of drawing attention away from the larger wastes of money, the larger financial outrages, the larger incompetencies, which both involve greater sums and are more complex.

When negotiating a contract, I have often inserted "drone clauses" which exist merely for the other side to demand that they be removed; in granting them a concession on something I do not care about, I can demand that they in return grant me a concession on something else, that I do care about. The AIG uproar is a drone clause; it exists to permit the Democrats to righteously posture, and thus create the illusion that they are diligently safeguarding the vast bulk of what they are giving away, and it exists to distract the media and the public from the greater sums, and greater damages, elsewhere in the current initiatives--for neither the news media nor the public likes complex issues, nor can concentrate on more than a few things simultaneously.

What do the bonus clauses actually say?
Are the bonuses discretionary?
Are they based on performance of the individual, the company, or both?
Did the Congress bailout legislation state that the bonuses were payable, or only that the contracts containing the bonus clauses were to continue in force according to their terms?
Why shoouldn't these kinds of issues be dealt with by your civil Courts?

1056 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:51:01am

re: #1043 MandyManners

And all this outrage is just a fucking smokescreen to take the heat off of Dodd and FCBBHO.

DING!

1057 Occasional Reader  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:51:20am

re: #1027 Spare O'Lake

Where I come from we decide civil cases on a balance of probabilites. The courts can decide the legality of the bonuses and the validity of any relevant legislation.

[drive-by]

You are confusing "burden of proof" with STANDARD of proof. Please look it up. Your suggestion that we simply haul the AIG employees into court, and then they have to "prove" that what's putatively theirs is actually theirs, flies in the face of common law.

Bye.

1058 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:51:36am

re: #870 bolivar

I am really hoping this bitch gets greased on 24 real soon. She is such a nasty one - no talent, homely, stupid and just plain annoying. How can she get a job? I go out of my way to ignore her.

She was a troll even before she got tattooed, bleached her hair, etc. Yuck. I'd have to have all my shots up to date before going anywhere near her.

1059 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:51:36am

re: #1055 Spare O'Lake

See LawHawks #1053.

1060 avanti  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:53:44am

re: #1040 sattv4u2

"This administration could have and should have ... prevented this from happening. They had a lot of leverage two weeks ago."

That would be when the Treasury Department decided to make an additional $30 billion available to American International Group Inc., the huge insurance conglomerate deemed too big to fail by two administrations.

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Had nothing to do with February 2008

So we can revise the post that claimed "BHO knew for a year " down to the two weeks I'd read about too ?

1061 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 8:56:07am

re: #1055 Spare O'Lake

What do the bonus clauses actually say?
Are the bonuses discretionary?
Are they based on performance of the individual, the company, or both?
Did the Congress bailout legislation state that the bonuses were payable, or only that the contracts containing the bonus clauses were to continue in force according to their terms?
Why shoouldn't these kinds of issues be dealt with by your civil Courts?

Because there is NO LEGAL ISSUE HERE. Please re-read 9pr read for the 1st time) my #'s 986 and 1028

1062 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:01:45am

re: #1059 Creeping Eruption

See LawHawks #1053.

I just did, and it's interesting. I still think the Courts should decide whether the bonuses were duly earned and payable.
One of the over-arching issues that bothers me is whether corporate executives and directors can feather their own nests via these cushy bonuses if doing so is oppressive and contrary to the interests of the corporation and the shareholders.

1063 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:01:51am

re: #1060 avanti

So we can revise the post that claimed "BHO knew for a year " down to the two weeks I'd read about too ?

Geithner was involved in it from the start.
In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns;[9][17] in the same year, he is believed to have played a pivotal role in both the decision to bail out AIG as well as the government decision not to save Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy.[18]

Geithner is BHO's go to guy. You think Geithner and Obama met for the 1st time only 2 weeks ago?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1064 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:03:24am

This whole AIG mess points out the flaws of government interfering with natural market forces.

1065 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:03:24am

re: #1057 Occasional Reader

[drive-by]

You are confusing "burden of proof" with STANDARD of proof. Please look it up. Your suggestion that we simply haul the AIG employees into court, and then they have to "prove" that what's putatively theirs is actually theirs, flies in the face of common law.

Bye.

I assume "Bye" means you think you won the argument. You didn't. Bye.

1066 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #1062 Spare O'Lake

I still think the Courts should decide


AGAIN ,, there is NO LEGAL ISSUE HERE. Please re-read (or read for the 1st time) my #'s 986 and 1028

1067 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:05:02am

re: #1062 Spare O'Lake

I just did, and it's interesting. I still think the Courts should decide whether the bonuses were duly earned and payable.
One of the over-arching issues that bothers me is whether corporate executives and directors can feather their own nests via these cushy bonuses if doing so is oppressive and contrary to the interests of the corporation and the shareholders.

You are certainly correct. That is why shareholders can initiate lawsuits against corporate directors. However, Courts here do not just wipe out otherwise valid contracts because they piss people off. Also, some of the bonuses were not based on whether they earned it, but as part of their compensation package for merely being there.

1068 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:05:09am

re: #1060 avanti

Cue the Washington outrage

For months, the Obama administration and members of Congress have known that insurance giant AIG was getting ready to pay huge bonuses while living off government bailouts. It wasn't until the money was flowing and news was trickling out to the public that official Washington rose up in anger and vowed to yank the money back.

Why the sudden furor, just weeks after Barack Obama's team paid out $30 billion in additional aid to the company? So far, the administration has been unable to match its actions to Obama's tough rhetoric on executive compensation. And Congress has been unable or unwilling to restrict bonuses for bailout recipients, despite some lawmakers' repeated efforts to do so.

...While administration officials insisted Tuesday that neither Obama nor Geithner learned of the impending bonus payments until last week, the problem wasn't new. AIG's plans to pay hundreds of millions of dollars were publicized last fall, when Congress started asking questions about expensive junkets the company had sponsored. A November SEC filing by the company details more than $469 million in "retention payments" to keep prized employees.

Obama knew since at least as early as November, perhaps earlier.

1069 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:07:28am

re: #1031 buzzsawmonkey

4) In the context of the multi-trillion dollars of bailout money, the $165 million in bonuses is such a tiny drop of money that if it was a drop of milk falling into a meat cholent it would not render the dish unkosher.

I like to say, "AIG should've given out $700 to $800 billion in bonuses, instead of just a few $100 million or so, because no one seems to get mad at that amount of taxpayer money."

1070 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:07:56am

re: #1067 Creeping Eruption

You are certainly correct. That is why shareholders can initiate lawsuits against corporate directors. However, Courts here do not just wipe out otherwise valid contracts because they piss people off. Also, some of the bonuses were not based on whether they earned it, but as part of their compensation package for merely being there.

Correct, as I stated #986. Just like Holiday pay, vacation lay, the percentage of Health Care the company pays, access to other company perks (company car,,, discounted airline tix,,, etc etc)

1071 Kenneth  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:09:34am

Obama Received a $101,332 Bonus from AIG

1072 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:11:48am

re: #1065 Spare O'Lake

re: #1067 Creeping Eruption

It would be akin to you taking a union job at GM. Part of your CONTRACTED compensation is 4 weeks PAID vacation. The gov't bails out GM withoiut concessions from the union (i.e. YOU) After the fact, the gov't states that you can only get 1 DAY paid vacation

1073 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:14:32am

re: #945 Occasional Reader

I don't see anyone "going to bat" for the AIG execs, as such. Speaking for myself, I am a LOT more worried about when prominent members of the US Congress start screaming about passing ex post facto laws, to punish people for doing something that was perfectly legal, but is suddenly unpopular.

If they do it to them, they can do it to you.

Of course such retroactive legislation is repugnant. That is not what I was advocating. I would like to see your Courts step up to the plate on this issue and strike down the bonus payments on some legal basis - that they were not earned; that the bonuses are oppressive to shareholders; that the bonuses are contrary to the interests of the company; or any other legal basis.

1074 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:15:26am

re: #1070 sattv4u2

Correct, as I stated #986. Just like Holiday pay, vacation lay, the percentage of Health Care the company pays, access to other company perks (company car,,, discounted airline tix,,, etc etc)

No disagreement. The Gov't fucked up.

1075 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #1073 Spare O'Lake

Of course such retroactive legislation is repugnant. That is not what I was advocating. I would like to see your Courts step up to the plate on this issue and strike down the bonus payments on some legal basis - that they were not earned; that the bonuses are oppressive to shareholders; that the bonuses are contrary to the interests of the company; or any other legal basis.

You need "standing" to file an action. Under President Obama's direct orders, his minions are attempting to find a legal challenge to the bonuses. They cannot find any. Courts and Judges here do not take up cases on their own. If someone has a cause of action, they can bring it before the court, otherwise, this is a non-issue.

1076 gmsc  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:29:04am

LOL, Best Line I Have Read This Week

Referring the Senator Grassley’s statement that AIG executives who are receiving bonuses should “resign or go committ suicide,” David Harsanyi responds:

C’mon. If suicide were a proper penalty for piddling away taxpayer dollars, the National Mall would look just like Jonestown after refreshments.


AIG execs demand Senators "resign or commit suicide"

AIG Vice Chairman and Chief Marketing Officer Robert G. Krebs suggested that Senators Chris Dodd (D-CT), Charles Grassley (D-IA) and Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) take a "Japanese approach" toward accepting responsibility for the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by resigning or killing themselves.

"In all candor, I don't know why they're so exercised by some bonuses. These pathetic excuses for politicians cost the taxpayers trillions of dollars and, worst of all, they're still in power."

1077 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:30:46am

re: #1075 Creeping Eruption

You need "standing" to file an action. Under President Obama's direct orders, his minions are attempting to find a legal challenge to the bonuses. They cannot find any. Courts and Judges here do not take up cases on their own. If someone has a cause of action, they can bring it before the court, otherwise, this is a non-issue.

Up here in Ontario, Canada, we have "oppression remedies" and "derivative actions" which allow shareholders, creditors or certain others to have standing to sue to have corporate actions reviewed. You probably have this down there too. I hope your administration finds a legal basis to challenge the bonuses.

1078 jcm  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 9:42:17am

re: #1077 Spare O'Lake

Up here in Ontario, Canada, we have "oppression remedies" and "derivative actions" which allow shareholders, creditors or certain others to have standing to sue to have corporate actions reviewed. You probably have this down there too. I hope your administration finds a legal basis to challenge the bonuses.

The Shareholders are the only ones with standing to sue. The Board of Directors could take action, but since it's a contract matter those receiving the bonuses would sue AIG.

1080 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Mar 18, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Fine words. If more Englishmen could live by those words, England would be saved.


Wash your mouth out with soap. Ed was a Kiwi.


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