The Populist Rage Bus Tour

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When even the President of the United States is demonizing AIG executives and talking about his “anger,” this is the kind of thing that results: Busload of Crazies to Tour Homes of AIG Executives This Weekend.

This insanity is going to end up with someone getting hurt or killed.

Less than a year ago, the most repellent area bus tour we knew of was the one that induced Sex and the City–crazed tourists to put $40 on their Citi cards for a cupcake and a glimpse at Carrie Bradshaw’s brownstone. How times have changed! Now, everyone’s clamoring aboard the Populist Rage Bus.

The Connecticut Working Families Party this weekend has organized a bus store that will make stops at Wilton, Connecticut, AIG office as well as the security-patrolled homes of AIG execs who are fearing for their lives.

“We’re going to be peaceful and lawful in everything we do,” said Jon Green, the director of Connecticut Working Families. “I know there’s a lot of anger and a lot of rage about what’s happened. We’re not looking to foment that unnecessarily, but what we want to do is give folks in Bridgeport and Hartford and other parts of Connecticut who are struggling and losing their homes and their jobs and their health insurance an opportunity to see what kinds of lifestyle billions of dollars in credit-default swaps can buy.”

UPDATE at 3/21/09 11:57:32 am:

Who’s behind the Working Families Party?

The Working Families Party (WFP) is a minor political party in the United States founded in New York in 1998. The party also has chapters in Connecticut, South Carolina, and Oregon, and is working towards establishing itself in Massachusetts and California[1].

New York’s Working Families Party was first organized in 1998 by a coalition of labor unions, ACORN and other community organizations, members of the now-inactive national New Party, and a variety of public interest groups. The party blends a culture of political organizing with unionism, 1960s idealism, and tactical pragmatism.

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713 comments
1 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:51:39am
This insanity is going to end up with someone getting hurt or killed.

And Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Frank et al. will not care at all.

2 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:51:56am

The mob running our country.

3 red satellite  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:51:59am

insane running the asylum

4 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:52:28am

That’s peachy. Hope nobody points out the connection to what actually led to the financial problems. Just go after some executives and burn some torches.

5 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:52:38am

Proof that Obama is Agaitor in Chief

6 rightwinger3  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:52:46am
“We’re going to be peaceful and lawful in everything we do,” said Jon Green

Okay, I buy that.
/

7 Muadib  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:52:58am

Stupid proletariat fools.

8 capitalist piglet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:53:31am
The Connecticut Working Families Party

Gee, I wonder what that is.

/

9 opnion  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:53:39am

Wouldn’t ya just love to know who funds this group?

10 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:13am

This country needs to wake up.

11 red satellite  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:22am
We’re not looking to foment that unnecessarily…

How many of you out there called a Bulls*** on him after reading that line?

12 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:26am

re: #9 opnion

Wouldn’t ya just love to know who funds this group?

ACORN.

13 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:29am

Can we tour Chicago to see Obama’s house and the lot he got for free from Rezko?

14 rusty_armor  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:40am

Fer cryin’ out loud, people! Sombody flatten the tires on that bus and get the driver drunk …

15 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:42am

Here’s a group doing similar stuff, let’s play SPOT THE LOONEY!:

my.barackobama.com

16 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:54:55am

This is what happens when hate-groups are allowed to form and operate freely in the American media and government. These guys are no better than Klansmen or Neo-Nazis.

17 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:55:31am

If people really want to rage at those responsible for this mess, they should be taking tours of CONGRESS!

18 MJ  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:56:03am

Old Obama campaign slogan: Hope and Change.

New Obama campaign slogan: Kill the Rich.

19 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:56:08am

re: #9 opnion

Wouldn’t ya just love to know who funds this group?

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

en.wikipedia.org

20 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:56:12am

re: #7 Muadib

Stupid proletariat fools.

No, no- tools. Useful idiots.

21 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:56:23am

re: #9 opnion

Wouldn’t ya just love to know who funds this group?

CPUSA

22 rightwinger3  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:57:00am

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Imagine that.

23 Alcove-One  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:57:02am

Barney “mumbles” Frank will risk anything and anyone in the name of CYA
(cover your a**).
I knew these Democrats were despicable but they are surprizing even me now.

24 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:57:22am

Scapegoat the business guys, never mind the crooks on Capitol Hill.

25 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:57:23am

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

In the words of Gomer Pyle
Surprise Surprise Surprise

26 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:57:59am

re: #23 Alcove-One

Barney “mumbles” Frank will risk anything and anyone in the name of CYA
(cover your a**).
I knew these Democrats were despicable but they are surprizing even me now.

CYA is a good idea around old Barney.

27 jjmckay1216  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #19 Charles

nope. not at all.

28 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Whoa - knock me over with a featherbed.

29 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:58:23am

re: #17 Sharmuta

If people really want to rage at those responsible for this mess, they should be taking tours of CONGRESS!

That takes thought beyond what they’re told.

30 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #1 Aviator

And Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Frank et al. will not care at all.

They’ll write legislation giving them tax breaks.

31 Alcove-One  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:05am

Can you imagine if anyone tried this with Congressman’s residences in DC?

32 rightwinger3  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #24 Sharmuta

Scapegoat the business guys, never mind the crooks on Capitol Hill.

It really is unbelievable how many out-and-out criminals are running this country.

33 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:15am

re: #11 red satellite


We’re not looking to foment that unnecessarily…

How many of you out there called a Bulls*** on him after reading that line?

Definitely BS. They’re spending their weekend, wasting time and money, to go “look” at the AIG workers’ homes.

34 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:21am
This insanity is going to end up with someone getting hurt or killed.


Thereby giving the 0 an excuse to declare a state of emergency, bring in martial law, and ban protests against him.
Good thing his civilian security force isn’t in place yet.

35 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:38am

re: #26 Aviator

CYA is a good idea around old Barney.

Only if you’re a man.

36 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #31 Alcove-One

Can you imagine if anyone tried this with Congressman’s residences in DC?

That’s exactly what should be done- they’re the real culprits here.

37 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:00:14pm

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Here’s a photo of the director of Connecticut WFP.

38 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:00:46pm

Nice house….
AIG bonus earners have large homes, now keep low profile

39 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:00:53pm

re: #35 soxfan4life

Only if you’re a man.

Destroyed that pitch.

40 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:00:57pm

re: #35 soxfan4life

Only if you’re a man.

Good point.

41 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:08pm

re: #31 Alcove-One

Can you imagine if anyone tried this with Congressman’s residences in DC?

I wonder what they think Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and Dodd live in. Cardboard boxes?

42 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:22pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

43 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:30pm

Gee, what a great idea, harass and threaten the employees and their families with bodily harm and take the pay they’ve already earned away too, just for good measure. Who in their right mind would want to work there? These are the only people holding AIG together with duct tape and keeping it from blowing up in our faces.

/and you don’t want to see AIG if it blows up in our faces

44 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:34pm

re: #31 Alcove-One

Can you imagine if anyone tried this with Congressman’s residences in DC?

Congress would audit them at then tax them at 90%.

45 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:41pm

Rush.

AIG Execs.

The Rich.

ALINSKY RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

SUN TSU: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

We Lizards Know Obama. We just have to get the word out.

46 MacDuff  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

In the last 11-12 weeks, I’ve lost the ability to be surprised.

47 hl mencken  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:02:23pm

Why don’t they stop by Sen. Chris Dodd’s abode while they’re at it?

48 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Here’s a photo of the director of Connecticut WFP.

He looks like the whiney little looter I would expect to be in charge of this.

49 rusty_armor  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:02:55pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Here’s a photo of the director of Connecticut WFP.

Shades of Trotsky …

50 Muadib  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:00pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

No, no- tools. Useful idiots.

That too ;)

51 musicmaven  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:03pm

Nothing more than a “rent a mob”, lost of smoke and mirrors to cloud Dohboma’s real agenda to decide how much we all should make then take away the rest through a %90 tax rate.
WATCH OUT!

52 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #47 hl mencken

Why don’t they stop by Sen. Chris Dodd’s abode while they’re at it?

Not on their very specific list.

53 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:08pm

re: #42 MrPaulRevere

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

There’s a lack of foresight.

54 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:15pm
55 capitalist piglet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:31pm

Whenever I see “Workers” in an organization’s title, or the word “struggle” used over and over, I start seeing “red”. They’re emboldened now. They got their president, and they’re coming out of the woodwork.

56 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:35pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Nice house….
AIG bonus earners have large homes, now keep low profile

/probably worked hard and earned every square foot of it

57 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:36pm

re: #46 MacDuff

In the last 11-12 weeks, I’ve lost the ability to be surprised.

I miss the comfort in being sad…..

58 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:03:50pm

re: #42 MrPaulRevere

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

That’s exactly what Obama wants……

59 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:01pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

/probably worked hard and earned every square foot of it

Just like Obama.

60 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #29 Mr. In get Mr. Out

That takes thought beyond what they’re told.

Well- if they were told the truth, they’d vote the bums out of office, so I wouldn’t expect the bums to tell them the truth.

Gee- it sure would be nice if there was a way for us to guarantee transparency in government, or to get scandals exposed to the public on a mass scale. Like, if a couple people got together and asked questions, investigated the truth, and reported the findings to the public. Maybe they could even report these findings on television or something.

61 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:45pm

re: #48 livefreeor die

re: #49 rusty_armor

The eyes just say “I’m a weasel.”

62 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:47pm

I said this months before the election, but this guy is going to kill race relations.

63 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #31 Alcove-One

Can you imagine if anyone tried this with Congressman’s residences in DC?

Sign me up.

64 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #13 screaming_eagle

Maybe get a complete tour of the Chicago cesspool of Hyde Park? With Bill Ayers, Calypso Louie, Rev. Wright, and other favorites: maybe point out their coffee shops, Trinity Church, etc.

Actually if someone in the Chicago area’s got the organizing ability, it might be a nice counter-demonstration to the fake AIG ragemongers (ragists?). Call it the Thinking Families Party. Maybe ACORN will help.
//

65 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Nice house….
AIG bonus earners have large homes, now keep low profile

Class Warfare.
Marxism 101.

66 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:05:08pm

re: #42 MrPaulRevere

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

Congress should have to return their bonuses.

67 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:05:45pm

re: #33 livefreeor die

Do you think any of them are on the payroll of unions, ACORN, etc.?

68 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:05:50pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

Just a quick story:

When my two oldest were about 4 and 2, I noticed them missing one day. I went on a little tour of the house, and heard some noises in one of the bedrooms. As I walked into the bedroom, my oldest emerged from under the bed. Next to emerge from under the bed was not her younger brother, but a bag of candy, which somebody had swiped from the cupboard, and he was pushing it out ahead of him.

“No!” she said, then looked at me, at the candy, and back at me. She pointed in the direction of her brother.

“He’s been eating candy under the bed.”

Congress would like you to know that AIG has been greedy, irresponsible and selfish.

69 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Here’s a photo of the director of Connecticut WFP.

Where’s the requisite picture of Che and the Hammer and Sickle?

70 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:06:16pm

re: #67 redmirabai

Do you think any of them are on the payroll of unions, ACORN, etc.?

They are.

71 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:06:28pm
72 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:06:43pm

re: #69 soxfan4life

Where’s the requisite picture of Che and the Hammer and Sickle?

I actually looked. Didn’t see one, yet.

73 invictus1  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:06:44pm

re: #54 MandyManners

I wonder how much of Soros’ money has found its way into its coffers.

Hmm.. Surprise, surprise.

google.ca

74 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:07:34pm

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

All the more reason to stomp the idea of taxpayer funding of ACORN. It’s like funding your own revolution adn I sure as fuck didn’t sign up for that……..

75 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #69 soxfan4life

Where’s the requisite picture of Che and the Hammer and Sickle?

That is the lining of his jacket.

76 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:26pm

The msm helps spread this bullshit of scapegoating the businessman, but it’s all smoke and mirrors for Congress, their ideological brethren. Fuck the msm- they are the enemy!

77 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #65 jcm

Class Warfare.
Marxism 101.

Egg-fucking-zactly.

Instead of going after Dodd, Frank, Raines, and the real culprits, Obama is waging war on capitalists.

78 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:36pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

Scapegoat the business guys, never mind the crooks on Capitol Hill.

Business people are Capitalists; too many of the current Congress Critters are through and through populist-spewing Socialists if not outright hard-core Communists.

79 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:41pm
80 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:49pm

re: #62 NYCHardhat

I said this months before the election, but this guy is going to kill race relations.


Sadly enough for the first well qualified black person to run for the Presidency they will have the ghosts of this Presidency haunting them.

81 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:52pm

We have demonized the engine of freedom in this country….Capitalism.

And when they are finished, people will be hurt, economic security will be dead, fascism will have taken hold, and people will call it equality and fairness and democracy in action.

I cry for the death of America….it appears to be on life support right now.

And the bastards want to shut off the oxygen.

82 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:52pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Yes they should, but they won’t. 90% of them have no sense of shame or propriety.

83 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:08:52pm

I know this stuff is over the top and being sponsored by raging lunatics, but this is what we invite when we allow executive pay to become an ongoing problem.

Let’s get some sunlight on the compensation levels in the finance industry, at least, and see what reasonable people think of the situation, how ‘bout that?

Then we can move on to the compensation packages for whatshisname who was head of the NYSE, or the head of Exxon a couple years back, and other headline cases.

OK, let me try to outline some kind of solution that is more market-oriented than outright government prohibitions and unconstitutional taxes. How about some kind of law that stipulates the distribution of compensation within a corporation? There are already laws like that related to 401k funding. OK, the laws are a major pain, but there is also some justice in them, that is aimed at the same kind of abuses we now see in the rest of the compenstation issues.

And all compensation levels above, say, $1m, must be a matter of public record for all corporations, and the totals must be confirmed annually by stockholders. I know this last really doesn’t work because so much stock is held by funds and in street name (and I don’t even vote most of the piddling shares I own in this and that), but hey, at least the mechanism is at least there.

So, let’s see, how would this affect, say, … Rush Limbaugh? Or George Cluney? Well, they aren’t the heads of 100,000 employee organizations. I suppose you’d want to exempt small companies … and then you get the fictions of big companies hiring small companies, as corporate deals are not personal deals. OK, I didn’t say it would be easy, but I think there might be something reasonable along these lines that would be workable. Maybe.

84 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:09:06pm

Do not forget who is enabling the thugs to perpetrate their agenda.

85 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:09:21pm

I doubt how immature and dangerous the Administration appears to the rest of the country. It is almost like The Weathermen are in charge. Hmmmmm

86 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:09:37pm
87 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:09:50pm

Check out some of the connections to this party:

“The Shadow Party in this sense was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton and Harold Ickes. Its efforts are amplified by, and coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The key organizers of these groups are veterans of the Sixties left.”

discoverthenetworks.org

Hanoi Jane is involved too.

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:09:59pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

Congress should have to return their bonuses.

Too bad the Congressional pay raises are not put to the people that are theoretically their employers and bosses.

89 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #54 MandyManners

I wonder how much of Soros’ money has found its way into its coffers.

That MFer needs to be stomped….er, stopped

90 musicmaven  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:20pm

When ever i see the word “working” connected to a group I think it is code word for “on the dole” .

91 Truck Monkey  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #23 Alcove-One

Barney “mumbles” Frank will risk anything and anyone in the name of CYA
(cover your a**).
I knew these Democrats were despicable but they are surprizing even me now.

Please don’t mention Bawney Fwank and covering asses in the same sentence again.
*blech*

92 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

Well- if they were told the truth, they’d vote the bums out of office, so I wouldn’t expect the bums to tell them the truth.

Gee- it sure would be nice if there was a way for us to guarantee transparency in government, or to get scandals exposed to the public on a mass scale. Like, if a couple people got together and asked questions, investigated the truth, and reported the findings to the public. Maybe they could even report these findings on television or something.

Or a newspaper even.

93 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:39pm

I have been following the passage of the GIVE Act,morphing from a volunteer service to all-age compulsory community services soon… anticipating it will provide the “program” for the “Service-Learning” tools to be implemented in all schools and a conduit to funnel more money into ACORN.


Keep an eye out for passage Monday but I have found very little coverage of this bill in the MSM, of course, except lauding it!
[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com…]
Paraphrasing:
ABC News reports “Advocates of the legislation say it would provide job training opportunities.”

Referring to the military model of “train the trainer”, who’s going to do that? Where’s the money going to come from? Honestly, folks, this looks like just another Barackistani Socialist wet dream.

Note: Bill Jablonski at Puppetgov blog advises: Sections of the bill appear to no longer be available for public review via the government website. An alternative can be found here.

Also: See RBO’s Obama and the Marxist Socialist radical members of Congress…

94 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:43pm

Blogs about: Working Families Party

95 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:52pm

re: #82 MrPaulRevere

Yes they should, but they won’t. 90% of them have no sense of shame or propriety.

Shame requires a working set and sense of ethics and morals.

96 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:10:52pm

re: #88 FurryOldGuyJeans

Too bad the Congressional pay raises are not put to the people that are theoretically their employers and bosses.

They should be, and we should be out on the streets demanding they stop this practice. The Tea Parties would be wise to tap into this.

97 Voyska PVO  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:11pm

re: #13 screaming_eagle

Can we tour Chicago to see Obama’s house and the lot he got for free from Rezko?

..drat you, Eagle! You stole my thunder! Or how about a caravan to Dodd or Frank’s houses? How about visiting Charley Rangle’s “tax-free” apartments in the tropics?

98 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:16pm

I would like to examine the tax returns of the “Working Families”.

99 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #69 soxfan4life

Where’s the requisite picture of Che and the Hammer and Sickle?

Che thongs….

100 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:24pm

Just found a video of Jon Green, Director Conn. Working Families

Youtube Video
101 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:43pm

re: #55 capitalist piglet

Whenever I see “Workers” in an organization’s title, or the word “struggle” used over and over, I start seeing “red”. They’re emboldened now. They got their president, and they’re coming out of the woodwork.

Somehow going around on a bus hassling people who have more money than you do does not sound like “work” to me. Similarly, agitating in general does not qualify as work according to how I was brought up.

102 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:11:57pm

re: #83 itellu3times

I know this stuff is over the top and being sponsored by raging lunatics, but this is what we invite when we allow executive pay to become an ongoing problem.

Let’s get some sunlight on the compensation levels in the finance industry, at least, and see what reasonable people think of the situation, how ‘bout that?

Then we can move on to the compensation packages for whatshisname who was head of the NYSE, or the head of Exxon a couple years back, and other headline cases.

OK, let me try to outline some kind of solution that is more market-oriented than outright government prohibitions and unconstitutional taxes. How about some kind of law that stipulates the distribution of compensation within a corporation? There are already laws like that related to 401k funding. OK, the laws are a major pain, but there is also some justice in them, that is aimed at the same kind of abuses we now see in the rest of the compenstation issues.

And all compensation levels above, say, $1m, must be a matter of public record for all corporations, and the totals must be confirmed annually by stockholders. I know this last really doesn’t work because so much stock is held by funds and in street name (and I don’t even vote most of the piddling shares I own in this and that), but hey, at least the mechanism is at least there.

So, let’s see, how would this affect, say, … Rush Limbaugh? Or George Cluney? Well, they aren’t the heads of 100,000 employee organizations. I suppose you’d want to exempt small companies … and then you get the fictions of big companies hiring small companies, as corporate deals are not personal deals. OK, I didn’t say it would be easy, but I think there might be something reasonable along these lines that would be workable. Maybe.

How about it none of your business unless you are are stockholder comrade.

103 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:08pm
104 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #14 rusty_armor

Fer cryin’ out loud, people! Sombody flatten the tires on that bus and get the driver drunk …

rusty_armor -

“School Bus” Nagin - Where Are You When We Ned You?

-S-

105 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

They should be, and we should be out on the streets demanding they stop this practice. The Tea Parties would be wise to tap into this.

Where can you find these Tea Parties?

106 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:28pm

re: #92 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Or a newspaper even.

Maybe radio too. The possibilities are endless! If only there was such a thing as factual reporting delivered daily through whatever format, things might be different.

*sigh*

107 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:45pm

Open Society

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:45pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

They should be, and we should be out on the streets demanding they stop this practice. The Tea Parties would be wise to tap into this.

I am amazed that Congress is the only group of employees that with impunity are allowed to say if they get a pay raise and how much.

109 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:48pm

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

No way! That would be like having groups that are using active socialistic tactics to make political points… /

110 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:12:54pm
111 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #94 pink freud

great find

112 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:30pm
… you are a stockholder…

PIMF

113 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:34pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Mandy, you are the Knowledge Diva! Thanks.

114 seekeroftruth  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:55pm

When I heard Rush talking about these bus tours yesterday, I was shocked that this is happening in America. This is horrifying. These are employees homes. The fact that it is Obama’s group - ACORN - and he, as President of the United States, is fanning the flames of this rage is despicable. And you are right, Charles, someone is going to get hurt or killed.
Obama needs to stop right now and get his act together as a president before the shit hits the fan. And the Democrat party needs to stop this as well.

115 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:56pm

re: #110 MandyManners

Check out the link at my #87.

116 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:57pm

re: #105 NYCHardhat

Where can you find these Tea Parties?

Here is a site I found today but there are plenty, use the PJTV network (link on LGF sidebars)
wnd.com

117 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:13:58pm

re: #110 MandyManners

The MFM, Mandy.

118 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:14:00pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

They should be, and we should be out on the streets demanding they stop this practice. The Tea Parties would be wise to tap into this.

Also, they should not be able to make a career of being a politician.

119 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:14:17pm

Jon Green’s Web Site

He’s the director once again.

120 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:14:41pm

Everyone called us right wing wackjobs when it was first suggested that Obama was going to turn America into a Socialist country. Within 100 days he is aggressively doing just that. Only he is not calling it “Socialism”. And that was the plan too.

121 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:14:51pm

Funded by Reflexivity.

122 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:15:00pm
This insanity is going to end up with someone getting hurt or killed.

It’s “No Justice No Peace, Freddie’s Fashion Mart” with national implications.

123 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:15:08pm

re: #116 Right mind left

Here is a site I found today but there are plenty, use the PJTV network (link on LGF sidebars)
[Link: wnd.com…]

Niiiiiiiiiiiice, thank you.

124 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:15:29pm

re: #42 MrPaulRevere

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

That’s because it is not the right picture.

The $165m is taken as a token for the billions in bonuses paid to Merrill execs just a few months earlier, and the untold billions in bonuses paid to the execs at Citibank, Lehman, Bear-Stearns, Fannie, Freddie, Countrywide, IndyMac, AIG, and others (eg hedge funds) over the past decade, while this entire situation developed. I wonder what the total is since 2000? Just add up all the $10m+ packages, and I’ll bet it approaches half a trillion, maybe more. How do you like them apples?

This while middle-class wages have stagnated and jobs have been offshored and illegals come here along with H-1Bs to further suppress middle-class compensation? Not to mention the mounting current and still-growing unemployment? Makes an ugly picture. It will destroy the America we have known. In fact, to a large extent, it already has. That’s why the anger - the fact of the matter, along with the (too) late awakening. Insofar as anybody is awake even now.

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Yet for front groups for the Socialist coup of America. Lenin and Marx would be proud.

126 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:15:57pm

this is kistall nacht, all over again.
inspired by the state and condoned by the state.

127 Alcove-One  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:16:10pm

Shocker! ACORN is behind it “Connecticut Working Families Party”
faustasblog.com

128 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:16:40pm

re: #79 MandyManners

They are remarkably bold. “The best lack all conviction,/While the worst are full of furious intensity.”
Of course, they don’t have to be out working for a living, they’re paid to undermine the system that allowed them their noxious freedom.

129 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:17:04pm

re: #102 Aviator

How about it none of your business unless you are are stockholder comrade.

Actually, the problem is, many stockholders don’t have control over executive compensation. I agree they should have more control.
They’d probably be very happy with execs who increase the value of their company, but not want to give incompetent ones millions for ruining the company.
Giving the owners of the company control isn’t communism, but letting the government control the compensation is.

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:17:19pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

The MFM, Mandy.

Has there been any credible investigation into Soros being even partially a spider in the web for the visible agenda the FMSM promotes?

131 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #114 seekeroftruth

When I heard Rush talking about these bus tours yesterday, I was shocked that this is happening in America. This is horrifying. These are employees homes. The fact that it is Obama’s group - ACORN - and he, as President of the United States, is fanning the flames of this rage is despicable. And you are right, Charles, someone is going to get hurt or killed.
Obama needs to stop right now and get his act together as a president before the shit hits the fan. And the Democrat party needs to stop this as well.

unfortunately the Democratic Perty is comfortable with this and they have been for a long time. Remember Comrade Maxine Water’s screechign ‘No justice, No Peace’? And remember the riots that broke out that killed 50+ people. And she still holds her seat.
The Democratic Perty has become scum.

132 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:17:42pm
133 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:18:04pm

re: #123 NYCHardhat

Niiiiiiiiiiiice, thank you.

As much as I am thrilled to see people standing up for good ‘ol freedom and liberty, the best thing we can do now is to flood House of Reps and Senators with mail saying Stop the Madness, that we will vote them OUT next chance we get…

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:18:33pm

If anything happens to those homes (and if I were one of the AIG people, I wouldn’t be home for a while—just a few of my armed friends), I would say that they have recourse to sue the WFP and Acorn.

It’s just too bad that it would be taxpayer stimulus money that would be paid out as damages.

135 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #127 Alcove-One

Shocker! ACORN is behind it “Connecticut Working FamiliesFreeloaders Party”
[Link: faustasblog.com…]

Fixed

136 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:18:42pm
137 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #83 itellu3times

I think the pay should be decided by the companies. They can pay people whatever they want but the game changes when the taxpayers have to pick up the bill. I see a lot of talk about how unfair it is that these bonuses are being taken away and not much talk about how unfair it is that the taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill.

138 zombie  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:19:22pm
New York’s Working Families Party was first organized in 1998 by a coalition of labor unions, ACORN and other community organizations, members of the now-inactive national New Party

Obama was briefly associated with the New Party.

Welcome to the thugocracy.

139 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:19:31pm

All we need is one police department to call bullshit, and this whole thing falls apart. Unfortunately almost all police are in Obama’s pocket because of the ‘stimulus’ travesty.

140 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:19:49pm

re: #102 Aviator

How about it none of your business unless you are are stockholder comrade.

I am pointing out how this would strengthen stockholder control. This is discussed, sporadically, in the business press. Must I say it, try engaging the argument instead of just calling names. I want a CONSERVATIVE alternative to the Obama approach to stuff, and just waving a laissez faire flag, is not it.

141 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:20:02pm
142 docremulac  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:20:25pm

Here’s how this scam works:

1- Ruin the economy with feel good economic thuggery by beating up banks that don’t give politically correct sub-prime loans.

2- When the economy collapses as a result, blame the Republicans and get elected to Congress and the White House.

3- Take advantage of the situation by saying “Only Communism will solve the problem.”

4- While you purposefully destroy the economy by running up trillions of dollars of un-payable debt, use misdirection to blame everything on a couple of executives getting tens of millions of dollars THAT YOU PROMISED THEM.


AIG executives aren’t responsible for the financial crisis, the Democrat party is.

And I don’t want to hear any more of this “there’s plenty of blame to go around” bullshit. The Democrats but the hole in the bottom of the ship that caused it to sink, the Republicans not supplying enough life boats isn’t what caused the problem.

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #132 MandyManners

The mask slips, and most people yawn while they wait for more American Idol pablum.

144 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:20:49pm

World Socialist Website WSWS.org

“An exchange of letters on the Working Families Party”

Socialists sniffing each other’s asses. Interesting reading.

145 MacDuff  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:20:55pm

re: #90 musicmaven

When ever i see the word “working” connected to a group I think it is code word for “on the dole” .

Paradoxically, anything connected with “work”, “workers” or “working” is socialist….like when you see “the People’s Republic of” it is always a totalitarian state, and when Dems talk about “the people”….

146 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:21:04pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Jon Green’s Web Site

He’s the director once again.

Correction on this post. That’s just a general search of “Jon Green” at love.com.

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:21:05pm

They can have my bonus when the pry it from my cold dead hand!

148 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:21:06pm

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

Has there been any credible investigation into Soros being even partially a spider in the web for the visible agenda the FMSM promotes?

Even without Soros, the msm would be running cover for the dems in Congress over this scandal. They don’t need anything other than ideological mindset, which is overwhelmingly leftist, to look the other way. Damned hypocrites. You know if it was republicans who screwed the pooch with this crisis, it’s all we’d be hearing about until those responsible were run out of town on a rail. But since it was dems we get *crickets* and class warfare scapegoating.

149 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:21:21pm

Where have we seen the New Party before?

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:21:25pm

re: #138 zombie

Obama was briefly associated with the New Party.

Welcome to the thugocracy.

It can happen here because we are watching it live.

151 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I think the pay should be decided by the companies. They can pay people whatever they want but the game changes when the taxpayers have to pick up the bill. I see a lot of talk about how unfair it is that these bonuses are being taken away and not much talk about how unfair it is that the taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill.

I think it’s most unfair that the poorly run companies didn’t go bankrupt.

152 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I think the pay should be decided by the companies. They can pay people whatever they want but the game changes when the taxpayers have to pick up the bill. I see a lot of talk about how unfair it is that these bonuses are being taken away and not much talk about how unfair it is that the taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill.

What I’m not seeing is talk about who is responsible for this in the first place. I don’t care about the bonuses- who started this fire?

153 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:22:41pm

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses

154 Truck Monkey  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #114 seekeroftruth

When I heard Rush talking about these bus tours yesterday, I was shocked that this is happening in America. This is horrifying. These are employees homes. The fact that it is Obama’s group - ACORN - and he, as President of the United States, is fanning the flames of this rage is despicable. And you are right, Charles, someone is going to get hurt or killed.
Obama needs to stop right now and get his act together as a president before the shit hits the fan. And the Democrat party needs to stop this as well.

This is exactly what they want! I’d bet that Barry thinks he is doing a pretty fine job. Just ask him. I cannot believe that this guy is the President! I cry for my children and grandchildren. We will not be passing along the same country we inherited to this next generation.

155 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:23:00pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I think the pay should be decided by the companies. They can pay people whatever they want but the game changes when the taxpayers have to pick up the bill. I see a lot of talk about how unfair it is that these bonuses are being taken away and not much talk about how unfair it is that the taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill.

Certainly it changes when it’s public money.

But then, apparently Obama and the fed *forced* relatively healthy banks to take the money, I guess to help hide who was really weak “and support the overall system”. I *hate* that kind of logic.

I cannot support the kind of blanket limits being discussed right now EVEN for those companies taking public money. At the least, the limits should be much higher. BUT THE PROBLEM IS REAL AND SERIOUS, and trying to ignore it at this point may be worse than applying an imperfect “solution”.

156 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Wow. Hearted.

I just noticed our Los Angeles major is on that list too. He wants to run for governor.

157 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #141 MandyManners

I could just cry.

Cheer up hun.

Youtube Video
158 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:23:35pm

re: #139 pat

All we need is one police department to call bullshit, and this whole thing falls apart. Unfortunately almost all police are in Obama’s pocket because of the ‘stimulus’ travesty.

I thought his failure to denounce Ayers put cops off on 0bama.

159 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #132 MandyManners

On occasion, WFP will endorse Republican candidates who support them on specific issues. However, its candidates are overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, shortly after WFP’s launch in 1998, party co-founder Bob Master – who is also New York political director of the Communications Workers of America (CWA) – told the Albany Times Union, “We’re very clear that we are not abandoning the Democratic Party.” Rather, the Working Families Party is attempting to move the Democrats “toward the progressive end of the spectrum,” as another WFP organizer put it.

…..prompting Rockland county Democratic chairman Paul Adler to comment that a Green-WFP-Democrat coalition, “could help push the Democrats back to the left.”

SNIP

Push the Democrats back to the left? What fucking planet does this asshat come from?
Progressive = Communist. The American people must be made aware of that basic fact.

160 obscured by clouds  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:09pm
The Working Families Party (WFP)

Is this a battalion of Obama’s new domestic army? The one he wants to fund as much as the real military? I worry that this Obama character is going to be such an epic failure that his last resort for getting anything done his way will be sheer coercion and intimidation, union goon style.

161 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:28pm

Congress is gonna tax the bonuses at 90% handed out with bail-out money.

Is Congress gonna tax foriegn banks at 90% that recieved 43 billion in bail-out money?
Where’s the protest bus asking congress that question?

Congress increased it’s petty cash $93,000. That’s 40 million for the House only. 90% tax? Where’s the protest bus asking Congress that question.

162 Opinionated  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:35pm

First they demonized AIG executives (even the innocent ones) but I wasn’t an AIG executive so I didn’t care.

Then they demonized ……., and …….., and then they demonized and came for me.

163 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

What I’m not seeing is talk about who is responsible for this in the first place. I don’t care about the bonuses- who started this fire?

Cloward-Piven / Alinksy -> CRA -> ACORN -> Sub-primes………

164 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:24:55pm

re: #142 docremulac

And I don’t want to hear any more of this “there’s plenty of blame to go around” bullshit. The Democrats but the hole in the bottom of the ship that caused it to sink, the Republicans not supplying enough life boats isn’t what caused the problem.

There certainly is a hell of a lot of blame to go around. Do you really think Bush and the Republicans were acting like fiscal conservatives during the last 4 years of his administration?

If you do. than you have a different understanding of fiscal conservative than most people do.

Both parties have been acting like kleptocrats and big money have been the plutocrats behind them.

165 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:25:09pm

It has become evident to me that this entire AIG mess is an example of what happens when politicians believe, mistakenly, that they know how to run a business. It has become clear that people like Geithner knew about the bonus issue (he was asked about it during a congressional hearing back in February - IIRC?), which means Congress knew, or should have known - since a member asked the question.

And they went ahead with it anyway.

And then they wanted a do-over.

And now Obama is making noises about increased control by government.

Hey Mr. President, how’re Amtrak and the Post Office doing? See any problems there?

166 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:25:14pm

re: #124 itellu3times

I’ve lost a lot of $$ in the meltdown, both unrealized gains and principal contributions. I doubt you could find anyone more upset at the immoral unethical behavior of the Wall street titans.

167 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:25:31pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

What I’m not seeing is talk about who is responsible for this in the first place. I don’t care about the bonuses- who started this fire?


Despite the partisan rhetoric from both sides this crisis has been created by a bipartisan effort spread out over the past 20 years or so. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. I’m running out of patience with the ideologues blaming one party or the other for this mess. Very few people are interested in solving the problem, most just want to score political points.

168 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:25:43pm

re: #149 formercorpsman

Where have we seen the New Party before?

Obama was a spokeman for them in Chicago.

169 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:25:54pm

I have long advocated that stockholders are entitled to know the full salary, including options, bonuses, interlocking pay agreements, and purchase discounts of all officers, consultants, directors, and employed or paid relatives to the third generation of publicly held corporations.

170 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:26:15pm

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who thought that the doom-sayers about Obama were over-reacting, hyper-partisan or just plain racist (ooohhh…), should be eating their Kangols right now.
I don’t think even the most vile, racist, or hateful opponent of Obama suggested that his Administaration would usher in the era of the “wealth-harrassment bus tour”. That’s all his.
Obama is the nightmare, his grubby little minions are the bad shrimp that caused it.

171 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:26:39pm

I don’t believe in focusing my anger on the businessmen. They are a scapegoat- a deflection to keep the ire of We the People from where it rightfully belongs- on our elected representatives.

172 Sunlight  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:26:41pm

And now! Another round of pajamasmedia.com
I just finished googling to see which.
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(D)!

173 mfarmer1  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:26:46pm

Hey, maybe the AIG execs will be so ashamed that the entire 165 million is handed over to the bus driver. There, economy all better now, move along, go home and spend spend spend.

174 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #140 itellu3times

I am pointing out how this would strengthen stockholder control. This is discussed, sporadically, in the business press. Must I say it, try engaging the argument instead of just calling names. I want a CONSERVATIVE alternative to the Obama approach to stuff, and just waving a laissez faire flag, is not it.

The board of directors determines executive compensation and shareholders should be electing a responsible board.

Your post invoked “reasonable people” - reasonable to who? You also invoked “some kind of law” to mandate distribution of compensation through a corporation.

Please.

175 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:27:53pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Despite the partisan rhetoric from both sides this crisis has been created by a bipartisan effort spread out over the past 20 years or so. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. I’m running out of patience with the ideologues blaming one party or the other for this mess. Very few people are interested in solving the problem, most just want to score political points.

One hundred and ten percent agree. But you are not going to get the partisans to look at this any differently. It’s going to take the total collapse of this country before people’s eyes are opened and they realized that they have been getting a royal screwing for a good number of years from ALL POLITICIANS.

176 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses


Once AIG has been beat to death who will the mob target next? The bonus money is nothing, the naked assaults by Congress on the Constitution as well as America should make your blood run cold.

177 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

What I’m not seeing is talk about who is responsible for this in the first place. I don’t care about the bonuses- who started this fire?

The bonuses are food overcooking on the stove while the rest of the house is fully engulfed in flames.

178 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:28:08pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

The Evil Money Cult has no party affiliation.

179 Sunlight  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:28:50pm

re: #172 Sunlight

Fixed:

And now! Another round of GUESS THAT PARTY! [Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
I just finished googling to see which.
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(D)!
180 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses

73% of Wolves say sheep should be for dinner.

181 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:29:29pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

I don’t believe in focusing my anger on the businessmen. They are a scapegoat- a deflection to keep the ire of We the People from where it rightfully belongs- on our elected representatives.

The deserve their share of the blame. Unfortunately the partisan shills (both sides) don’t want to blame their politicians so the government ends up getting a pass on their share of the blame. There are some serious policy problems that are not being addressed here.

182 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:29:32pm

And let us not forget this is the week Obama launches his minions to intimidate Americans into signing pledges of support for our great leader.

183 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:29:53pm

You know, part of the ability to raise a poor, angry mob is making people poor and angry. Wonder how that happened?

184 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:03pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

The deserve their share of the blame. Unfortunately the partisan shills (both sides) don’t want to blame their politicians so the government ends up getting a pass on their share of the blame. There are some serious policy problems that are not being addressed here.

Where have I disagreed with that?

185 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:17pm
186 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:32pm

if i was one of the execs, i’d be out on the front lawn having a party with all my friends from the shooting range…… ready to wave when the bus came by.

/bite me

187 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:34pm

re: #149 formercorpsman

Where have we seen the New Party before?

Meet the New Party…Same as the old Party…

188 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:41pm

wab would like to be on that bus.

189 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

The deserve their share of the blame. Unfortunately the partisan shills (both sides) don’t want to blame their politicians so the government ends up getting a pass on their share of the blame. There are some serious policy problems that are not being addressed here.

Would you get out of my head and stop stealing my thoughts. You’re starting to scare me. :)

190 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:55pm

Let me also say this.
THERE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A BAILOUT.
Chapter 11.
The government should have done much less than it did.

191 Sunlight  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:30:59pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses

I wonder how many think that people who signed for mortgages should be forced to pay them back?

192 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:31:16pm

I keep hearing that it was both parties. I think one party did the lion’s share of damage.

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:31:30pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

There certainly is a hell of a lot of blame to go around. Do you really think Bush and the Republicans were acting like fiscal conservatives during the last 4 years of his administration?

If you do. than you have a different understanding of fiscal conservative than most people do.

Both parties have been acting like kleptocrats and big money have been the plutocrats behind them.

Bush NEVER acted as a fiscal conservative, first or second term. He was signing every spending bill until people squawked loud enough to throw out the Republican majority in 2006, and then only put up token resistance until the Congress engineered financial crisis was too big to ignore.

194 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:31:34pm

Killgore- as far as I know, no one else has discussed the issue of how Washington spends it’s money to the extent I have, and what could be done to stop that.

195 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

There certainly is a hell of a lot of blame to go around. Do you really think Bush and the Republicans were acting like fiscal conservatives during the last 4 years of his administration?

If you do. than you have a different understanding of fiscal conservative than most people do.

Both parties have been acting like kleptocrats and big money have been the plutocrats behind them.

I have to disagree with you Walter. Not with your basic point but with trying to be even handed in assessing blame. This is a critical time and the American people don’t have the attention span to listen to nuanced arguments. The Democrats and their bullhorn, the media are blasting out a consistent message that is drowning out anything else. Now is the time to speak in black and white terms that cuts through the smoke cloud being sent up by the Democrats. And stating that Bush and the last administration spent too much obfuscates the issue and helps the socialist commies in their mad rush to make the best use of this crisis. Now is the time for stark, simple clarity.

196 livefreeor die  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:00pm

re: #188 nyc redneck

wab would like to be on that bus.

Definitely. I wonder who’s going to get thrown under it.
“Mr. Geitner, LOOK OUT!”

197 pat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:04pm

re: #185 MandyManners

We’re in the hands of a fucking, Commie bastard.

Yes Mandy, it does appear that we are in the hands of such as well as a supporting cast of lunatics or power mad enablers.

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:09pm

re: #180 jcm

73% of Wolves say sheep should be for dinner.

And more and more sheep are voting the same.

199 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:10pm

re: #190 Aviator

Let me also say this.
THERE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A BAILOUT.
Chapter 11.
The government should have done much less than it did.

the government should stay the hell out of the private sector period.

200 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #190 Aviator

Let me also say this.
THERE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A BAILOUT.
Chapter 11.
The government should have done much less than it did.

The bankruptcy courts were just sitting there waiting to do their thing.

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:27pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

I’m just saying that the companies are not blameless here. Many on the right seem to be on the verge of painting these crooks as saints who are being persecuted by evil socialists.

202 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:56pm

re: #192 NYCHardhat

I keep hearing that it was both parties. I think one party did the lion’s share of damage.

When we stop trying to find the party responsible and just realize that both parties and the government is broken, then we will be moving ahead. Until that time, they have us just where they want us. Arguing among ourselves about party politics.

203 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:32:59pm

re: #183 Shay4l

You know, part of the ability to raise a poor, angry mob is making people poor and angry. Wonder how that happened?

Great Society.

Right.

204 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:05pm

re: #185 MandyManners

We’re in the hands of a fucking, Commie bastard.

And a largely complicit lapdog Socialist Congress.

205 Opinionated  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:05pm

How about this solution? The bonuses can be kept but they may not be touched for five years.

With what the Fed and Obama Administration are doing to make the $US worthless, at the end of the five years, all the bonuses will buy is a cup of coffee.

/sarcasm based on some real scary truths.

206 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:09pm

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Heh.

207 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:25pm

I think things like these bus tours will cause a lot institutions that accepted TARP funds to pay them back as soon as possible - even if it puts them in a precarious financial position. The end result may be that the capital market freeze gets worse as banks are more interested in repaying TARP loans and not loaning money to get the economy going. Brilliant.

208 zombie  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #149 formercorpsman

Where have we seen the New Party before?

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Obama was a spokeman for them in Chicago.

Correct.

Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

J. Brown of Politically Drunk on Power has dug up multiple documentary sources (with hyperlinks) proving that Barack Obama was a member of the New Party, despite alleged attempts to cover up his tracks by scrubbing evidence. He or she deserves tremendous praise for doing this detective work.

Also see:

Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist ‘New Party’ In 1996

After allegations surfaced in early summer over the ‘New Party’s’ endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and ‘New Party’ then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA’s New Party.

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party’s website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party’s website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.

From the October 1996 Update of the DSA ‘New Party’:

“New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races…

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary).”

209 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Despite the partisan rhetoric from both sides this crisis has been created by a bipartisan effort spread out over the past 20 years or so. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. I’m running out of patience with the ideologues blaming one party or the other for this mess. Very few people are interested in solving the problem, most just want to score political points.

Stop distracting us with logic.

Seriously - your statement is sad but true. This entire mess SHOULD be a wake up call for all Americans look at politicians with a wary eye. All politicians.

Instead - most Americans are worshipping a rookie politician with no track record of accomplishing anything.

210 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #192 NYCHardhat

I keep hearing that it was both parties. I think one party did the lion’s share of damage.

What is the difference between the 2 parties at this point in time? Just look at the vote on taxing the bonuses, both parties expand government, spend like college students with Dad’s credit card and point fingers at each other. Until there is a distinct difference between the 2 both parties are to blame.

211 docremulac  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:34:01pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

And I don’t want to hear any more of this “there’s plenty of blame to go around” bullshit. The Democrats but the hole in the bottom of the ship that caused it to sink, the Republicans not supplying enough life boats isn’t what caused the problem.

“There certainly is a hell of a lot of blame to go around. Do you really think Bush and the Republicans were acting like fiscal conservatives during the last 4 years of his administration?”

Republicans faught the main thing that precipitated the situation we’re in which is the government telling banks what kind of loans they MUST make and the deficit spending they ran up was during a war that I believe was and is worth fighting.

Let me put it this way, if you’re not willing to defend your country, there’s very little point in HAVING a country in the first place, much less worrying about whether on not it’s books are balanced.

212 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:34:11pm

re: #193 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bush and his Congress weren’t fiscally conservative in any real sense, of course, but wait until the Bush tax-cuts expire and it’ll sure seem like they were.

213 jaunte  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:34:17pm

Jon Green is a circus enabler. Not part of the solution.

214 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:34:22pm

re: #195 LGoPs

I have to disagree with you Walter. Not with your basic point but with trying to be even handed in assessing blame. This is a critical time and the American people don’t have the attention span to listen to nuanced arguments. The Democrats and their bullhorn, the media are blasting out a consistent message that is drowning out anything else. Now is the time to speak in black and white terms that cuts through the smoke cloud being sent up by the Democrats. And stating that Bush and the last administration spent too much obfuscates the issue and helps the socialist commies in their mad rush to make the best use of this crisis. Now is the time for stark, simple clarity.

I’ll answer with another one of my comments…

“When we stop trying to find the party responsible and just realize that both parties and the government is broken, then we will be moving ahead. Until that time, they have us just where they want us. Arguing among ourselves about party politics.”

That’s the stark, simply clarity.

215 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:34:32pm

Does anyone know of a concerted effort to find out what candidates WFP and ACORN are targeting for defeat, so that these people can be supported?
This might be an inadvertent gift from Soros: “If you (or your myrmidons) target them, we know they’re on the right track for the US.”

216 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

No one has discussed the underlying issue of how government spends it’s money to the extent I have. No one- not even a politician of any party. Not even Ron Paul. No one, but it’s simple enough. Government should have to spend it’s money like a real business, not some imaginary bottomless piggy bank burning a hole in our pockets.

217 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:31pm

re: #180 jcm

73% of Wolves say sheep should be for dinner.

Was it Franklin (can’t remember for sure) who said:

“A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision.”

I’m thinking it’s time to focus on Freedom as well as Democracy.

218 jjmckay1216  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #141 MandyManners

why?

219 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:43pm
220 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:52pm

re: #205 Opinionated

How about this solution? The bonuses can be kept but they may not be touched for five years.

With what the Fed and Obama Administration are doing to make the $US worthless, at the end of the five years, all the bonuses will buy is a cup of coffee.

/sarcasm based on some real scary truths.


Do you come from MA, that seems to be our local pols response to every tax increase they propose. It will only amount to a cup of coffee a week.

221 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:35:54pm

Gotta go for now.

222 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:36:21pm

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

When we stop trying to find the party responsible and just realize that both parties and the government is broken, then we will be moving ahead. Until that time, they have us just where they want us. Arguing among ourselves about party politics.

unfortunately for you, and that sort of thinking, the other side doesn’t think therre’s anything wrong with their party or their way of doing things.

therefore, rational, intelligent even handed approaches are doomed to failure.

223 SixDegrees  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:36:34pm

Maybe they should swing by Geithner’s house. And Dodd’s.

Just for the sake of completeness.

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:36:48pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

No one has discussed the underlying issue of how government spends it’s money to the extent I have. No one- not even a politician of any party. Not even Ron Paul. No one, but it’s simple enough. Government should have to spend it’s money like a real business, not some imaginary bottomless piggy bank burning a hole in our pockets.

Ross Perot danced around the edges of it.

225 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #211 docremulac

And I don’t want to hear any more of this “there’s plenty of blame to go around” bullshit. The Democrats but the hole in the bottom of the ship that caused it to sink, the Republicans not supplying enough life boats isn’t what caused the problem.

“There certainly is a hell of a lot of blame to go around. Do you really think Bush and the Republicans were acting like fiscal conservatives during the last 4 years of his administration?”

Republicans faught the main thing that precipitated the situation we’re in which is the government telling banks what kind of loans they MUST make and the deficit spending they ran up was during a war that I believe was and is worth fighting.

Let me put it this way, if you’re not willing to defend your country, there’s very little point in HAVING a country in the first place, much less worrying about whether on not it’s books are balanced.

Oh fuck you, I’m not talking about giving up or not defending my country. Get off the fucking partisan bandwagon and understand that you are getting the shaft from both ends, and you are happy about it.

Don’t tell me I’m not willing to defend my country. WHo the fuck do you thing you are?

226 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:37:17pm

re: #188 nyc redneck
Bus ‘em in, throw ‘em under the bus…

227 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:37:25pm

“We understand the dire economic financial situation - much better than those in congress who specifically wrote language into the Stimulus Bill excepting these bonuses. Therefore, we have declined to accept additional compensation from the U.S. Government - and challenge members of congress to do the same.”
- AIG executives

228 Maximu§  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:37:28pm

What the thrice-accursed Mob fails to realize, is that these targeted AIG exec’s are the only ones who can turn their company around.

229 keeping it simple  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #133 Right mind left

As much as I am thrilled to see people standing up for good ‘ol freedom and liberty, the best thing we can do now is to flood House of Reps and Senators with mail saying Stop the Madness, that we will vote them OUT next chance we get…

I tried to e-mail Barney Frank this morning but when I clicked on the e-mail link I got a error message. I don’t know if this is because I don’t live in his district or if the website was too busy, or maybe it’s because he has it rigged against being inundated with unfavorable mail. Apparently he only wants e-mails from his constituents. I managed to get one off to Nancy Pelosi. I will send e-mails to my own Senators and Representatives as well.

230 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:37:47pm

re: #223 SixDegrees

Maybe they should swing by Comrade Geithner’s house. And Comrade Dodd’s.

Just for the sake of completeness.

FTFY

231 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:38:12pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Sorry Walter, I forgot the sarc tag.

This crap is surreal.

232 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:38:20pm

re: #218 jjmckay1216

why?

Just like if you have to ask the price you can’t afford it……

233 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:38:22pm

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ross Perot danced around the edges of it.

No one even thinks about it.

234 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:39:01pm

re: #220 soxfan4life
Seriously, how much coffee do they think we drink?

235 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:39:10pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

I’m just saying that the companies are not blameless here. Many on the right seem to be on the verge of painting these crooks as saints who are being persecuted by evil socialists.

I don’t see anyone saying that. At least not here.

AIG FAILED, then government stepped in and subsidized FAILURE. The very same people who are screaming the loudest about the bonuses, GUARANTEED BY LAW THE BONUSES. Rank hypocrisy.

236 Gretchen  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:39:12pm

re: #185 MandyManners

We’re in the hands of a fucking, Commie bastard.

Well put Mandy.

It is bad enough we’ve been collectively forced into investing in these companies, now the government who did the forcing is ensuring the ruin of the companies by vilifying them and the employees who worked for them. No one will want to work for these companies or do business with them and they’ll fail.

This is getting really frightening. We are screwed. Obama is now talking about capping all salaries of executives starting with the banks. Raise your hand if you think this will send companies packing to overseas locations.

I’ll ask again, does this mean we can drug test welfare recipients?

237 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:39:22pm

re: #219 Piglet-U93

you’re passing on hysteria….. please stop. Weird Nutz Daily is *not* a credible source of information. try reading the bill yourself.

238 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:39:53pm

this is sick. this is f’n sick.

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #228 Maximu§

What the thrice-accursed Mob fails to realize, is that these targeted AIG exec’s are the only ones who can turn their company around.

The mob doesn’t want the company to turn around and become a capitalist success; they want it destroyed or collectivized into government thralldom.

240 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:23pm

I live a few blocks from our state capitol and there’s been a steady stream of people walking by with signs. Turns out to be truthers and anti-war protesters. Are there coordinated protests going on around the nation, or is this just a local moonbat get together?

241 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

Oh fuck you, I’m not talking about giving up or not defending my country. Get off the fucking partisan bandwagon and understand that you are getting the shaft from both ends, and you are happy about it.

Don’t tell me I’m not willing to defend my country. WHo the fuck do you thing you are?

I don’t think anyone is questioning if you are a patriot. I am not.

242 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:40pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

I’ll answer with another one of my comments…

“When we stop trying to find the party responsible and just realize that both parties and the government is broken, then we will be moving ahead. Until that time, they have us just where they want us. Arguing among ourselves about party politics.”

That’s the stark, simply clarity.

And I’ll answer that to solve a problem, the most vital step is to correctly identify the problem. If you misidentify the problem then it’s likely the solution will be wrong.
I’m a conservative before I’m a Republican and I dislike much of what they do. But they are the only alternative at this point and stand as the only bulwark against the other party which has given up any pretense at trying to find a real solution - other than going all out socialist.

243 jaunte  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:46pm

Contacting the Congress
visi.com

244 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #237 redc1c4

World Nut Daily is the Weekly World News of the right wing.

245 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:40:56pm

re: #234 Lincolntf

Seriously, how much coffee do they think we drink?


Given the tax increases they want, not enough.

246 zombie  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:00pm

re: #240 gregg

I live a few blocks from our state capitol and there’s been a steady stream of people walking by with signs. Turns out to be truthers and anti-war protesters. Are there coordinated protests going on around the nation, or is this just a local moonbat get together?

Coordinated around the nation. 6-year Iraq anniversary. About 20 ANSWER protests.

247 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:01pm

Here’s the article Drudge was alluding to:

Obama Seeks to Increase Oversight of Executive Pay

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

248 Gretchen  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

I’m just saying that the companies are not blameless here. Many on the right seem to be on the verge of painting these crooks as saints who are being persecuted by evil socialists.

Then prosecute them if what they did was illegal or let the companies file bankrupcy, don’t socialize our economy.

249 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:06pm

WWTD?

[What would Teleprompter do?]

250 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:14pm

have a quick view into the mindset of an Ear Leader supporter (names changed to protect teh st00pid):

You would think a military guy (from what I understand, you guys have self-discipline) would be able to rein yourself within the parameters of an intellectual debate-which is what you indicated you wanted to engage. You displayed you could not and I called you on it. Your argument didn’t need the name-calling. You were doing quite well until you regressed. Now, you can play the victim: “Oh, Student 2’s trying to restrain my free speech”. Or you can recognize that you crossed a line. Frankly, I think playing the victim is more self-satisfying for you. Barack Obama is beloved by many people in this country for all the potential possibilities he represents for the future. You are right in that there is a cult-like adoration for him. And we (the many who are hopeful of those possibilities) may all be disappointed in the eventual outcome. I know you were using a spoonerism to equate President Obama with Kim Jun Ill as many of his ideas are socialistic—it’s not clever, it’s not even remotely funny. Directly above, I think your words are patronizing to Student 1 and I really don’t think you respect your fellow students, myself included. I also don’t think you’re genuinely interested in learning (as you indicated above) in an exchange of ideas about issues facing our country. You seem more interested in a verbal King-of-the-Hill where you obliterate all voices of dissent until only yours remain. Well, I’m done..you can be king of your lonely hill. All Hail King red.

251 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:16pm
252 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:19pm

re: #165 subsailor68

It has become evident to me that this entire AIG mess is an example of what happens when politicians believe, mistakenly, that they know how to run a business. It has become clear that people like Geithner knew about the bonus issue (he was asked about it during a congressional hearing back in February - IIRC?), which means Congress knew, or should have known - since a member asked the question.

And they went ahead with it anyway.

And then they wanted a do-over.

And now Obama is making noises about increased control by government.

Hey Mr. President, how’re Amtrak and the Post Office doing? See any problems there?

Not only did Geithner probably know, but he probably didn’t care….it is standard oerating procedure for big business so no bell went off in his head. The bailout money was to bail out a business that was heading to oblivion. I am sure if he had been asked before all of this hit the fan, he probably wouldn’t have demonized the bonuses.

If a bonus was contracted as part of an employee salary, then who is Barney or Chris to say differently? If a board of directors thinks that salaries are too large then they should reduce them. If they think paying that much for the best and brightest to make them a profit is the way to go, then fine.

I think getting paid $25 million to make a film is too much. Other’s would say look at the number of tickets that star sells to watch the movie….an investment to increase the bottom line. Don’t see any of the great Hollywood thinkers putting their two cents in here…strange, they are always involved in other political problems.

When this is over, they will not have only punished AIG. They will have punished every business in this country. They will kill incentive, kill competition for profit, kill capitalism.

Thanks Barney and Chris.

253 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:36pm

re: #207 gregg

I think things like these bus tours will cause a lot institutions that accepted TARP funds to pay them back as soon as possible - even if it puts them in a precarious financial position. The end result may be that the capital market freeze gets worse as banks are more interested in repaying TARP loans and not loaning money to get the economy going. Brilliant.

And don’t forget the “public/private partnership toxic assets plan” is supposedly going to be unveiled next week, the one plan that is the most crucial to us getting out of this recession..

/how many private equity firms do you think will want to participate after all the hysterical stunt[expletive deleted]ery that played out last week?

254 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:44pm

re: #208 zombie

Actually Zombie, I was writing that as total sarc, I forgot the tag.

But I will tell you, I was thinking of your stuff as I was writing it. Honestly.

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:41:55pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

No one even thinks about it.

Contemplating the harsh realities of governmental economics would destroy the pig trough Congress is face-down in.

256 Maximu§  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:06pm

We’re seeing the beginnings of class-warfare….right outta Mao’s playbook.

257 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:20pm

re: #241 NYCHardhat

I don’t think anyone is questioning if you are a patriot. I am not.

I’m not saying you are. Did you read his WHOLE comment?

258 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:36pm

re: #237 redc1c4

WND is not entirely credible, but it was CNN that aired the doctored Gaza footage and we don’t doubt them…….oh, nevermind, we do doubt them….
Come to think of it, story for story, WND might match up favorably with CNN when it comes to credibility.

259 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:36pm
260 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:39pm

re: #252 yesandno


But the world will like us again right?//

261 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:42:49pm

re: #244 Sharmuta

World Nut Daily is the Weekly World News of the right wing.

I just found that out recently. I feel embarressed.

262 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:43:14pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Here’s the article Drudge was alluding to:

Obama Seeks to Increase Oversight of Executive Pay

When will we get a lobby to oversee Congress’ pay?

263 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:43:27pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

Contemplating the harsh realities of governmental economics would destroy the pig trough Congress is face-down in.

I’m so angry I could spit. If more people took the time to learn how government collects and spends money, they would spit too. Possibly worse, like vote for actual solutions instead of more of the same.

264 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:43:33pm

re: #217 subsailor68

Was it Franklin (can’t remember for sure) who said:

“A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision.”

I’m thinking it’s time to focus on Freedom as well as Democracy.

Obama, The Congress, and too many people believe we live in a Democracy.
We live in a Representative Republic with the Rule of Law.

The Law (and attended sheepdogs) insure that rule is sheep are not on the menu.

Obama’s “I won” statement is that of an Oligarch.

265 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #256 Maximu§

We’re seeing the beginnings of class-warfare….right outta Mao’s0bama’s playbook.

0bama is the new Mao.

266 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:44:29pm

I’m out of here, got to get to the theatre to get ready for tonight’s show.

See you on the LNDT.

267 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:44:30pm

re: #265 soxfan4life

0bama is the new Mao.

Mousy tongue!

268 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:44:30pm

re: #262 Wyatt Earp

When will we get a lobby to oversee Congress’ pay?

Possibly in the year 3012. Won’t happen even by then.

269 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:00pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

And don’t forget the “public/private partnership toxic assets plan” is supposedly going to be unveiled next week, the one plan that is the most crucial to us getting out of this recession..

/how many private equity firms do you think will want to participate after all the hysterical stunt[expletive deleted]ery that played out last week?

HRH and i were discussing that this morning: WTF would i risk my money when you can take my profit if i succeed in fixing your fuck up? only a fool or someone who owns a majority of Congress would go there…. like Soros.

270 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:05pm

re: #268 Gus 802

Possibly in the year 3012. Won’t happen even by then.

And even then, it’ll end up being Congress doing its own oversight. We’re screwed.

271 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:18pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Here’s the article Drudge was alluding to:

Obama Seeks to Increase Oversight of Executive Pay

Thanks for the link. From your quote:

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

It’s that bolded part that scares the living hell out of me.

272 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:25pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

I’m not saying you are. Did you read his WHOLE comment?

I did. I just think people are really upset about the current conditions and we are ALL trigger happy. *handshake*

273 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:33pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

And don’t forget the “public/private partnership toxic assets plan” is supposedly going to be unveiled next week, the one plan that is the most crucial to us getting out of this recession..

Won’t that plan require additional money be approved by congress? If so, is there any chance they can get it passed?

274 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:45:50pm

re: #256 Maximu§

We’re seeing the beginnings of class-warfare….right outta Mao’s playbook.

right out of rev wright’s play book too.
the o’s are loving it.
(especially wab)

275 Right mind left  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #229 keeping it simple

I tried to e-mail Barney Frank this morning but when I clicked on the e-mail link I got a error message. I don’t know if this is because I don’t live in his district or if the website was too busy, or maybe it’s because he has it rigged against being inundated with unfavorable mail. Apparently he only wants e-mails from his constituents. I managed to get one off to Nancy Pelosi. I will send e-mails to my own Senators and Representatives as well.

As far as I understand it, emails are often ignored and deleted. What gets their attention is actual LETTERS. I’m sure Barney’s web link is as competent as he is!

276 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:24pm

re: #270 Wyatt Earp

And even then, it’ll end up being Congress doing its own oversight. We’re screwed.


Funny how business regulating itself is the big joke right now, but someone with the Integrity of Congress is still allowed to police itself.

277 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:27pm

re: #251 MandyManners

I was hoping there’s a site (lazy me).

278 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #265 soxfan4life

0bama is the new Mao.

so he’s an Ear Maos?

279 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #265 soxfan4life

0bama is the new Mao.

Obama’s “Revolutionary” Imagery

280 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #252 yesandno

Spot on! Great post!

281 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #265 soxfan4life

0bama is the new Mao.

Maobama.

282 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:47:33pm

re: #271 subsailor68

Thanks for the link. From your quote:

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

It’s that bolded part that scares the living hell out of me.

Given time it will be other companies. This would give the government sweeping new powers over financial institutions. Effectively, they would be nationally managed by Big Brother. At the end of the article Dodd appears to be against certain proposed measures.

283 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:47:40pm

re: #276 soxfan4life

Funny how business regulating itself is the big joke right now, but someone with the Integrity of Congress is still allowed to police itself.

Monica Crowley had a clip of Charlie Rangel stating that HE was handling the investigation into his tax troubles. I thought it was a joke, but sadly, no.

284 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:47:43pm

re: #124 itellu3times

That’s because it is not the right picture.

The $165m is taken as a token for the billions in bonuses paid to Merrill execs just a few months earlier, and the untold billions in bonuses paid to the execs at Citibank, Lehman, Bear-Stearns, Fannie, Freddie, Countrywide, IndyMac, AIG, and others (eg hedge funds) over the past decade, while this entire situation developed. I wonder what the total is since 2000? Just add up all the $10m+ packages, and I’ll bet it approaches half a trillion, maybe more. How do you like them apples?

This while middle-class wages have stagnated and jobs have been offshored and illegals come here along with H-1Bs to further suppress middle-class compensation? Not to mention the mounting current and still-growing unemployment? Makes an ugly picture. It will destroy the America we have known. In fact, to a large extent, it already has. That’s why the anger - the fact of the matter, along with the (too) late awakening. Insofar as anybody is awake even now.

itellu3times -

Like NO KIDDING. And some folks wonder why others are angry. I do not.
Pres. Obama is right about channeling anger. We just disagree about WHERE to channel it.
May I offer some modest suggestions.
As to H1-B’s educated here - Keep Every One of them you can. In general, they will be Net Contributors to the USA*. As to how many - that is a matter for Political Discussion - Keep the possibility of “Another Einstein” in mind.
As to Garden Variety illegals - honor their “pluck” to want to better their lot, AND let them understand they just might be deported. “Rules Be Rules” and all of that. As I understand it - Only “Dry-Foot” Cubans are assured immediate legal status - for statutory, historic and understandable reasons, unless of course the “Dry-Foot” is a minor like Elian Gonzalez - thank you Pres. Clinton - NOT!
* Remember, PM Harper of Canada wants every H1-B he can get for his domestic and US and Other Subsidiary Companies - AND - I think we can agree that PM Harper is NO FOOL.

-S-

285 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:47:43pm

re: #217 subsailor68

Was it Franklin (can’t remember for sure) who said:

“A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision.”

I’m thinking it’s time to focus on Freedom as well as Democracy.

You are corredt. Freedom is vastly more important.

286 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:00pm

re: #262 Wyatt Earp

When will we get a lobby to oversee Congress’ pay?

How about we take 165 million and send all of Congress on a 2-year vacation, somewhere on the other side of the planet.

287 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:00pm
288 docremulac  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:13pm

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

“Oh fuck you, I’m not talking about giving up or not defending my country. Get off the fucking partisan bandwagon and understand that you are getting the shaft from both ends, and you are happy about it.

Don’t tell me I’m not willing to defend my country. WHo the fuck do you thing you are?”

I “thing” I’m the guy telling you to lighten up. We have our differences of opinion here but we try to be civil when discussing them.

Being able to spell “fuck” doesn’t offer much validation of your viewpoint.

Chill out bro.

289 keeping it simple  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:26pm

re: #275 Right mind left

As far as I understand it, emails are often ignored and deleted. What gets their attention is actual LETTERS. I’m sure Barney’s web link is as competent as he is!

I think you must be right. I’ll try that too.

290 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:33pm

re: #256 Maximu§

We’re seeing the beginnings of class-warfare….right outta Mao’s playbook.

America’s Cultural Revolution is in full swing.

291 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:48:47pm

re: #286 screaming_eagle

How about we take 165 million and send all of Congress on a 2-year vacation, somewhere on the other side of the planet.

Somalia. Great surfing, and not too many sharks in the water.

292 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:06pm
293 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:15pm

Killgore- maybe you’ve missed my rants about taxes and how government spends it’s money. I find the entire affair to be a disgusting waste of money and shamefully inadequate for a country known for innovation. We’re Americans, and we should be demanding better of our government on all levels, but especially on this most basic fundamental- how they take and spend our money.

294 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #248 Gretchen


Then prosecute them if what they did was illegal or let the companies file bankrupcy, don’t socialize our economy.


As far as I can tell their actions were pretty much within the law. Just because the law allows them to do certain things (like allowing banks, brokerage house and hedge funds to own each other) doesn’t mean that these actions are the responsible thing to do. Unfortunately the solution is more regulation to prevent companies doing this stuff in the future. It would be nice if financial companies would act responsibly by they won’t unless the government keeps an eye on them.

295 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:26pm

re: #290 FurryOldGuyJeans

America’s Cultural Revolution is in full swing.

Let’s go get those watercolorists first!

//

296 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:28pm

re: #290 FurryOldGuyJeans

America’s Cultural Revolution is in full swing.

sadly, that is why I obtained a firearm.

297 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:29pm

re: #271 subsailor68

Thanks for the link. From your quote:

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

It’s that bolded part that scares the living hell out of me.

First they came for executive pay, and no one spoke out.
Next they came for middle level management pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for the workers pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for my pay, and there was no one to speak out.

298 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:37pm
299 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:51pm

re: #291 Wyatt Earp

Somalia. Great surfing, and not too many sharks in the water.

LOL! Great idea. Tell ya what, you get the cruise ship booked, and I’ll let the pirates know they’re on the way!

;-)

300 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #291 Wyatt Earp

Somalia. Great surfing, and not too many sharks in the water.

After watching the Discovery Channel show on great whites I’d consider sending them surfing off the coast of South Africa.

301 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #297 jcm

First they came for executive pay, and no one spoke out.
Next they came for middle level management pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for the workers pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for my pay, and there was no one to speak out.

Exactly.

302 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:50:24pm

Since the Dems control the whole freaking government, I’ll just decline to say “Yeah, but Bush…” right now and continue to focus on the problems the DEMOCRATS are causing.

We can all get together and crucify Bush and whoever later after we stop the bleeding, which won’t happen if people keep deflecting blame off the DEMOCRATS to past Republicans.

303 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:50:32pm

re: #286 screaming_eagle

How about we take 165 million and send all of Congress on a 2-year vacation, somewhere on the other side of the another planet.

FTFY!

304 SummerSong  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #42 MrPaulRevere

America is $11 trillion in debt and people are pissed at a measly $165 million in retention payments. At the risk of stating the obvious, something is wrong with this picture.

They fudged..it’s $218 mill.

247wallst.com

305 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:50:58pm

re: #297 jcm

First they came for executive pay, and no one spoke out.
Next they came for middle level management pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for the workers pay, and no one spoke out.
Then they came for my pay, and there was no one to speak out.

Absolutely excellent my friend!

306 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:51:16pm

re: #228 Maximu§

It won’t matter. By swallowing the poison pill of bailout, even when Dodd is crafting legislation specifically to allow the bonus payout, Geitner lying about his knowledge before-hand, the government becomes a majority share-holder.

I think what some are totally missing here, is not the idea that the bonus was totally asinine in light of the circumstances, it is the fact we have a president running the table now in an attempt to capitalize politically with a private institution who thought they were in line with the framers of the legislation.

We are talking about Chris Dodd. Damn, was the sub-prime crisis that long ago now?

If it is not evident this is pure orchestration, it is either willful ignorance, or bliss. Good lord, wasn’t Limbaugh the boogie man just last week?

307 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:51:24pm

re: #288 docremulac

“Oh fuck you, I’m not talking about giving up or not defending my country. Get off the fucking partisan bandwagon and understand that you are getting the shaft from both ends, and you are happy about it.

Don’t tell me I’m not willing to defend my country. WHo the fuck do you thing you are?”

I “thing” I’m the guy telling you to lighten up. We have our differences of opinion here but we try to be civil when discussing them.

Being able to spell “fuck” doesn’t offer much validation of your viewpoint.

Chill out bro.

Fine, I’m sorry I said fuck you, asshole.

You never even addressed my statements, just told me how I’m not interested in defending my country. So, don’t try to come back and make a bigger fool of your self.

308 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:51:32pm

re: #273 gregg

Won’t that plan require additional money be approved by congress? If so, is there any chance they can get it passed?

They’ll have to and it’s going to require another $1-2 trillion. This is what TARP 1 was supposed to be used for in the first place, now it’s going to cost more.

/getting the toxic assets off the bank balance sheets is the the only way to get to the root of the entire mess we’re in

309 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:51:42pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

As far as I can tell their actions were pretty much within the law. Just because the law allows them to do certain things (like allowing banks, brokerage house and hedge funds to own each other) doesn’t mean that these actions are the responsible thing to do. Unfortunately the solution is more regulation to prevent companies doing this stuff in the future. It would be nice if financial companies would act responsibly by they won’t unless the government keeps an eye on them.

The government used CRA to force banks to make unsound mortgages.

310 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:52:03pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses

Killgore Trout -

Of course they do as most folks understand that Bankrupt Entities are not in a position to pay BONUSES, barely in a position to pay CLAIMS, and in many cases TOO BROKE TO PAY ATTENTION. That is all.

-S-

311 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:52:06pm

#285
corredt=correct

I correct the corredtion!

PIMF

312 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:52:11pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Here’s the article Drudge was alluding to:

Obama Seeks to Increase Oversight of Executive Pay

This is just like legislating ANOTHER new gun law when some criminal ignores EXISTING laws to perpetrate another butchery. There are sufficient rules, regulations, and laws already on the books if they were enforced consistently and fairly all the time.

313 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #300 soxfan4life

After watching the Discovery Channel show on great whites I’d consider sending them surfing off the coast of South Africa.


Exactly my point. Everyone loves Shark Week! :)

314 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #293 Sharmuta

Killgore- maybe you’ve missed my rants about taxes and how government spends it’s money. I find the entire affair to be a disgusting waste of money and shamefully inadequate for a country known for innovation. We’re Americans, and we should be demanding better of our government on all levels, but especially on this most basic fundamental- how they take and spend our money.

Should have heard me on the bus one day- I think all the other passengers were slightly alarmed by the amount of passion such a petite person could hold on a topic as dry as taxes and spending.

315 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:53:17pm

re: #271 subsailor68

Thanks for the link. From your quote:

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

It’s that bolded part that scares the living hell out of me.

Well, I hope they get a website up soon where we can all learn what we will be making in the future.

316 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:54:03pm

re: #265 soxfan4life

0bama is the new Mao.

Hope grows from the barrel of a pen.

317 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:54:07pm
318 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:54:20pm

re: #313 Wyatt Earp

Exactly my point. Everyone loves Shark Week! :)

I liked the Great Whites of South Africa because they jump right out of the water.

319 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:54:48pm

re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is just like legislating ANOTHER new gun law when some criminal ignores EXISTING laws to perpetrate another butchery. There are sufficient rules, regulations, and laws already on the books if they were enforced consistently and fairly all the time.

Yes. Also at the end of the article Chris Dodd makes the same point — ironically. More layers of government and duplication of existing laws. Firms will have to increase legal and accounting scrutiny thus driving the costs of business higher. In the end it will mean increases in banking fees and interest rates. Even something as simple as ATM and checking account fees will be impacted.

320 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:54:51pm

re: #306 formercorpsman

It won’t matter. By swallowing the poison pill of bailout, even when Dodd is crafting legislation specifically to allow the bonus payout, Geitner lying about his knowledge before-hand, the government becomes a majority share-holder.

I think what some are totally missing here, is not the idea that the bonus was totally asinine in light of the circumstances, it is the fact we have a president running the table now in an attempt to capitalize politically with a private institution who thought they were in line with the framers of the legislation.

We are talking about Chris Dodd. Damn, was the sub-prime crisis that long ago now?

If it is not evident this is pure orchestration, it is either willful ignorance, or bliss. Good lord, wasn’t Limbaugh the boogie man just last week?

i don’t remember, but i do know that we’ve always been at war with Oceania……

321 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:55:27pm
322 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:55:42pm

Without stabbing me to death….please tell me what the Bush admin. spent too much on.

323 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:55:42pm

re: #315 gregg

Well, I hope they get a website up soon where we can all learn what we will be making in the future.

Well, I hear the government has to finish negotiating with the Web Operators of the World International, Esq. (also known as WOWIE) first.

324 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is just like legislating ANOTHER new gun law when some criminal ignores EXISTING laws to perpetrate another butchery. There are sufficient rules, regulations, and laws already on the books if they were enforced consistently and fairly all the time.

The province of Executive compensation belongs to the Board of Directors and the Shareholders.

Until crimes have been committed it’s none of the governments business.

When a company fails, a Bankruptcy Judge has jurisdiction over who gets the remaining assets.

Everything was in place to handle the whole mess.

BUT GOVERNMENT HAD TO GO AND DO SOMETHING, AND FUCKED IT UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION!

325 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:56:32pm
326 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:56:50pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

Without stabbing me to death….please tell me what the Bush admin. spent too much on.

The U.N.

327 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:56:59pm

re: #325 MandyManners

I need a bit of Offspring.

Youtube Video

Are you pregnant?

/

328 scottishbuzzsaw  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #324 jcm

The province of Executive compensation belongs to the Board of Directors and the Shareholders.

Until crimes have been committed it’s none of the governments business.

When a company fails, a Bankruptcy Judge has jurisdiction over who gets the remaining assets.

Everything was in place to handle the whole mess.

BUT GOVERNMENT HAD TO GO AND DO SOMETHING, AND FUCKED IT UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION!

I wish I had more updings for you…

329 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:10pm

re: #298 MandyManners

I didn’t intend to be snotty in my No. 292. I apologize.

I didn’t take it that way! I’m the lazy one, after all.

Mandy, you are still the Diva of Know.

330 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:12pm

re: #320 redc1c4

Hey, I won’t even try here. I’m lost on that one.

331 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:21pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

As far as I can tell their actions were pretty much within the law. Just because the law allows them to do certain things (like allowing banks, brokerage house and hedge funds to own each other) doesn’t mean that these actions are the responsible thing to do. Unfortunately the solution is more regulation to prevent companies doing this stuff in the future. It would be nice if financial companies would act responsibly by they won’t unless the government keeps an eye on them.


Wait just one minute. You cannot have it both ways. If these bonuses were within the law, and they were specifically OK’d in the Stimulus Bill, then why are politicians changing the law? Retroactively.

332 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:23pm

re: #315 gregg

Well, I hope they get a website up soon where we can all learn what we will be making in the future.

Make? Surely you jest.

You go to work were the government tells for as long as tell you.
You live where they tell you.
You stand in line and get the food they give you.

It’s called paradise.

333 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:27pm

re: #324 jcm

The province of Executive compensation belongs to the Board of Directors and the Shareholders.

Until crimes have been committed it’s none of the governments business.

When a company fails, a Bankruptcy Judge has jurisdiction over who gets the remaining assets.

Everything was in place to handle the whole mess.

BUT GOVERNMENT HAD TO GO AND DO SOMETHING, AND FUCKED IT UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION!

just because this bears repeating……

334 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

Without stabbing me to death….please tell me what the Bush admin. spent too much on.

Palestine

335 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:57:47pm

re: #326 screaming_eagle

The U.N.

AIDS relief in Africa? He had good intentions, but I think I understand where you are coming from.

336 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #324 jcm

Isn’t that inscribed on our Nation’s Capital?

FUBAR

//

337 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:58:09pm

re: #332 jcm

It’s called paradise.

Or the U.S.S.R.

338 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:58:12pm

re: #331 Racer X

Wait just one minute. You cannot have it both ways. If these bonuses were within the law, and they were specifically OK’d in the Stimulus Bill, then why are politicians changing the law? Retroactively.

Public Opinion Polls

339 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #330 formercorpsman

Hey, I won’t even try here. I’m lost on that one.

I believe that’s a reference to Orwell’s 1984.

;-)

340 Erik The Red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:58:46pm

What do they really think they are going to achieve?

BTW. Hi Lizards.

341 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:21pm

re: #271 subsailor68

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a sweeping plan to overhaul financial regulation, government officials said.

It’s that bolded part that scares the living hell out of me.

/this isn’t Venezuela, is this Venezuela?

342 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:23pm

re: #326 screaming_eagle

The U.N.

re: #334 Bloodnok

Palestine

I agree, he should have been more fiscal.

343 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:39pm

re: #332 jcm

Make? Surely you jest.

You go to work were the government tells for as long as tell you.
You live where they tell you.
You stand in line and get the food they give you.

It’s called paradise.

Except that the good jobs go the party members’ relatives, the houses are nasty little apartment you will share with every living blood relative, and the food consists of wilted veggies and salt pork.

/don’t ask about the toilet paper…and no! you can’t use the party brochures for that.

344 Gus  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:43pm

Time to get a pack of smokes and give a dollar to the Feds. bbl

345 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #340 Erik The Red

What do they really think they are going to achieve?

BTW. Hi Lizards.

HopeyChange?

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:54pm

re: #324 jcm

The province of Executive compensation belongs to the Board of Directors and the Shareholders.

Until crimes have been committed it’s none of the governments business.

When a company fails, a Bankruptcy Judge has jurisdiction over who gets the remaining assets.

Everything was in place to handle the whole mess.

BUT GOVERNMENT HAD TO GO AND DO SOMETHING, AND FUCKED IT UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION!

The bonuses were approved and contracted BEFORE the bailout mess started, forget the non-sequitur of what AIG got was a loan meant to be paid back. This is sleight of hand by a Congress furiously intent on hiding its fingerprints on a financial mess THEY created.

347 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:59:56pm
348 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:09pm

re: #340 Erik The Red

What do they really think they are going to achieve?

BTW. Hi Lizards.

Marxist Utopia.

All the animals are equal….. in misery.

349 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #335 NYCHardhat

AIDS relief in Africa? He had good intentions, but I think I understand where you are coming from.

More than that. The U.N. in general. Hell I think we should even charge them rent for the building in NYC.

350 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:32pm
351 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:33pm

re: #337 Wyatt Earp

Or the U.S.S.R.

Will there be KGB in communism?

No, by then people will have learned to arrest themselves

352 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:50pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

Without stabbing me to death….please tell me what the Bush admin. spent too much on.

He spent way too much money improving the lives of poor people in Africa.

/ / / / /

353 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:00:57pm

re: #340 Erik The Red

What do they really think they are going to achieve?

BTW. Hi Lizards.

Absolute Power.

354 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:01:13pm

re: #342 NYCHardhat

I agree, he should have been more fiscal.

and he should have used his bully pulpit to fisk the people spreading lies about his policies……

355 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:01:21pm
356 Erik The Red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:01:33pm

re: #345 Wyatt Earp

HopeyChange?

More likely “How to fuck up the USA in 100 days or less”

357 redc1c4  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #344 Gus 802

Time to get a pack of smokes and give a dollar to the Feds. bbl

grow your own tobacco…..

358 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:01:49pm

re: #351 Dustyvet

Will there be KGB in communism?

No, by then people will have learned to arrest themselves

Obama will have us all on the honor system.

359 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #291 Wyatt Earp

Somalia. Great surfing, and not too many sharks in the water.

Antarctica. Send AL Gore as well. Helps them understand Globull warming.

/

360 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:12pm

What is the difference between the two newspapers “The Truth” and “The News”?

In “The Truth” there is no news, and in the “The News” there is no truth.

361 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:14pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

I think there is surely enough blame to be put on Bush when it comes down to holding his administration under the microscope of fiscal conservatism.

Whether it was in an attempt to get things done at the executive level, and you call call it a payoff, or just the way Washington works, he did not demand much in the way of fiscal sacrifice.

The prescriptions come to mind. That was a massive increase in our budget, in hindsight, the true costs miscalculated.

The one aspect in all of this, and others have said it, the government has a responsibility to be fiscally sound. That comes before any politician’s job security or pet projects. Not much of that was being done over the last 20 years.

362 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:19pm

re: #306 formercorpsman

We’re being whip-sawed from crisis to crisis, demon to demon, manufactured or genuine, while the Rahmster is in the back of the smoky room rubbing his hands in glee, and Axelrod is watching the polls.
“No crisis? No problem! We’ll make one! The American people are a bunch of saps!”

363 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:22pm

re: #357 redc1c4

grow your own tobacco…..

Well, Michelle is growing weed in their “kitchen garden” …

/

364 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:23pm

re: #304 SummerSong

They fudged..it’s $218 mill.

[Link: 247wallst.com…]

Like they didn’t know that already? It just a trick to trot out a bigger number, to jack up the outrage at someone else, while they continue their socialist policies, laughing at people who are successfully distracted from their own culpability.

365 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:58pm

re: #331 Racer X

Wait just one minute. You cannot have it both ways. If these bonuses were within the law, and they were specifically OK’d in the Stimulus Bill, then why are politicians changing the law? Retroactively.

“Oops, our bad.”

366 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #341 Killian Bundy

/this isn’t Venezuela, is this Venezuela?

Si.

One of my favorite songs: “Don’t Cry for Me Hugo Chavez.” Opening lines:

“Don’t cry for me Hugo Chavez,
The truth is I just don’t get ya,
All through your bullshit,
I’ll try to miss it,
You’re simply batshit,
And that’s no ratshit.”

367 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:05pm

re: #358 Wyatt Earp

Obama will have us all on the honor system.

/seems to work OK in Washington…

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:05pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

Without stabbing me to death….please tell me what the Bush admin. spent too much on.

No Child Left Behind, S-CHIP, Prescription Drug Bill. All Dem sponsored, in part or in full, and repudiated by the Dems.

369 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:11pm

re: #357 redc1c4

grow your own tobacco…..

Geez. A heroin addiction might be cheaper to fund.

370 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:15pm

re: #355 MandyManners

Oh, fuck. They’re going up by .62 in about nine days. fuckfuckfuckfuck

Time to stimulate the econmy by buying 10 cartons at once.

371 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:25pm

Alexander the Great, Caesar and Napoleon observed the army parade in Red Square, as honorable visitors.

‘If I had Soviet tanks,’ Alexander said, ‘I would have been invincible!’

‘If I had Soviet planes,’ Caesar speaks, ‘I could have conquered the whole world!’

‘And if I had had the newspaper “The Truth”,’ Napoleon said, ‘the world, even now, would not have found out about Waterloo!’

372 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:40pm

re: #355 MandyManners

Oh, fuck. They’re going up by .62 in about nine days. fuckfuckfuckfuck

I remember selling a pack of smokes for .50. My customers yelled and screamed when they went up to .55.

What are they now - $6.00 a pack?

373 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:03:51pm

re: #349 screaming_eagle

More than that. The U.N. in general. Hell I think we should even charge them rent for the building in NYC.

I wish they knocked that building down instead of the Waterside Plant.

374 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:13pm

re: #357 redc1c4

They are going to hunt you down for that.

375 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:27pm

re: #371 Dustyvet

Alexander the Great, Caesar and Napoleon observed the army parade in Red Square, as honorable visitors.

‘If I had Soviet tanks,’ Alexander said, ‘I would have been invincible!’

‘If I had Soviet planes,’ Caesar speaks, ‘I could have conquered the whole world!’

‘And if I had had the newspaper “The Truth”,’ Napoleon said, ‘the world, even now, would not have found out about Waterloo!’

LOL, good one

376 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:40pm

This may have been a non-story but for the army of reporters covering it:

A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers — are paying visits to the homes of American International Group Inc.
About 40 protesters parked at a cul-de-sac Saturday afternoon and walked to the Fairfield home of Douglas Polling.
Polling already agreed to forfeit his bonus, but the protesters want AIG executives to do more to help working families.

Obama’s tax increases will see to that.

377 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:42pm

Obama is doing a 90 minute interview on 60 minutes Sunday night. Why, may I ask, does he need another national news conference on Tuesday? If you want to hear what he has to say, watch 60 minutes. Don’t subject the rest of us to his prattle again and again. Finally, it’s 60 Minutes not 90 Minutes - what is it with Obama and numbers (see 57 states)?

378 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #367 brookly red

/seems to work OK in Washington…

Paging Charlie Rangel …

379 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:04:45pm

They should be making a stop at the home of Chris Dodd. Ya know, just to stop and point, maybe snicker.

380 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:05:02pm
381 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #337 Wyatt Earp

Or the U.S.S.R.

What nationality were Adam and Eve?

Most certainly Russian! Only Russians can run about barefooted and bare assed, without a roof over their heads, where there is only one apple for two and nevertheless cry out that they are in paradise!

382 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:05:44pm

re: #331 Racer X

Anything and everything that is legal at the time it is done is completely immune from legislation subsequently outlawing it.
The fact that the same Congress that made the bonuses the law of the land (as part of their massively over-reaching stim pkg) wants to punish the recipients of the bonuses is down-the-rabbit-hole, batshit insane.

To Congress: It’s the Constitution, bitches. Get used to it.

383 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #339 subsailor68

Thank you sir. As a capitalist myself, I am posting, and trying to scan receipts in the computer using a new toy I have purchased.

Neat Receipts, (not trying to plug anything here) but I found this product to be outstanding. My attention is getting somewhat diverted right now.

384 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:06:21pm

re: #377 gregg

He keeps it up with the media barrage, maybe we should think about the fairness doctrine.
/////

385 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:06:27pm

re: #379 vagabond trader

They should be making a stop at the home of Chris Dodd. Ya know, just to stop and point, maybe snicker.

That group will hold a celebratory meeting at Dodd’s house.

386 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:06:32pm
387 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:06:50pm

re: #368 FurryOldGuyJeans

No Child Left Behind, S-CHIP, Prescription Drug Bill. All Dem sponsored, in part or in full, and repudiated by the Dems.

S-CHIP?

388 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:07:21pm

I think that more then being a socialist, Obama is a racist. His politics is racial politics. It is pay back against the white master. Before Ayers, before Rev. Wright there was Franklin Marshall Davis…a big advocate against the supression of the black man by the white power structure. This was his mentor in his early years.

Don’t think that Ayers or Wright sought out Obama to convince him of their point of view. I think he already was of the same mindset when he first met them.

And where black nationalism has triumped by tearing down other cultures , can fascism in the form of socialism or communism be far behind?

389 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #377 gregg

Obama is doing a 90 minute interview on 60 minutes Sunday night. Why, may I ask, does he need another national news conference on Tuesday? If you want to hear what he has to say, watch 60 minutes. Don’t subject the rest of us to his prattle again and again. Finally, it’s 60 Minutes not 90 Minutes - what is it with Obama and numbers (see 57 states)?

/it’d just be easier if they’d give him his own nightly prime time TV show

390 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:07:42pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

As far as I can tell their actions were pretty much within the law. Just because the law allows them to do certain things (like allowing banks, brokerage house and hedge funds to own each other) doesn’t mean that these actions are the responsible thing to do. Unfortunately the solution is more regulation to prevent companies doing this stuff in the future. It would be nice if financial companies would act responsibly by they won’t unless the government keeps an eye on them.

More regulations means more people trying to get round the regulations - and succeeding.
More ‘government eyes’ on them means more tax money spent on spying out buisiness.

Something else is needed - have a look at this outstanding essay by Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks: Morals: the one thing markets don’t make
No amount of regulation will restore our sense of honour and shame. Economics needs ethics

391 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:07:49pm

re: #386 MandyManners

They’re $5.00/pk. here now. They’ll be about $57.00/ctn. in nine days.

8 in nyc

392 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:01pm
393 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:13pm

re: #385 debutaunt

I am only guessing here, methinks that the bussees are being brought in from Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford, Acorn.

394 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:14pm

re: #377 gregg

Obama is doing a 90 minute interview on 60 minutes Sunday night. Why, may I ask, does he need another national news conference on Tuesday? If you want to hear what he has to say, watch 60 minutes. Don’t subject the rest of us to his prattle again and again. Finally, it’s 60 Minutes not 90 Minutes - what is it with Obama and numbers (see 57 states)?

I can’t wait for the “All The One—All the Time” channel.

Though sometimes it feels like it’s already here.

395 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:19pm
396 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:22pm

re: #340 Erik The Red

What do they really think they are going to achieve?

BTW. Hi Lizards.

Erik -

When you get a chance, watch the movie “Chinatown” - they want “THE FUTURE” - meaning control over it. That is all.

-S-

397 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #377 gregg

Obama is doing a 90 minute interview on 60 minutes Sunday night. Why, may I ask, does he need another national news conference on Tuesday? If you want to hear what he has to say, watch 60 minutes. Don’t subject the rest of us to his prattle again and again. Finally, it’s 60 Minutes not 90 Minutes - what is it with Obama and numbers (see 57 states)?

///////////i call it as i see it: an attention whore

398 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:33pm
399 Maximu§  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:43pm

So what happens when one of these buses “stops” in front of one of those homes and the angry mob pours out? If I were an AIG exec, I would keep my banana clips loaded.

400 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #386 MandyManners

They’re $5.00/pk. here now. They’ll be about $57.00/ctn. in nine days.

$45.00/carton here.

401 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:51pm

re: #376 solomonpanting

This may have been a non-story but for the army of reporters covering it:

A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers — are paying visits to the homes of American International Group Inc.
About 40 protesters parked at a cul-de-sac Saturday afternoon and walked to the Fairfield home of Douglas Polling.
Polling already agreed to forfeit his bonus, but the protesters want AIG executives to do more to help working families.

Obama’s tax increases will see to that.

Class warfare begins in earnest. It is no longer about the “bonuses”, it is about money.

402 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:54pm

Real world economic/personal finance advice…..
Bob Brinker live

403 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:08:59pm

re: #392 MandyManners

If I didn’t have stuff to do, I’d get me a stiff one. Oh, heck. I don’t have stuff that I really need to do.

wow. i’m gonna leave that one alone.

404 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:08pm
405 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #346 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thank you. As a fiscal conservative, that is my argument in a nutshell.

In typical liberal fashion, they threw funding at the problem, did not provide due diligence with the taxpayer’s money, and now take the high horse.

406 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:27pm

re: #383 formercorpsman

Thank you sir. As a capitalist myself, I am posting, and trying to scan receipts in the computer using a new toy I have purchased.

Neat Receipts, (not trying to plug anything here) but I found this product to be outstanding. My attention is getting somewhat diverted right now.

Not a prob, mate! Hmmm, by the way:

You went to the marketplace and found a product you thought was worth your money.
You bought it.
It met your expectations.
You decided to recommend it.

You did more to help turn this economy around in one purchase than Congress and the Administration have done in months!

Thanks!

;-)

407 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:35pm

re: #395 MandyManners

Do you like Ketel 1 vodka Mandy? I’m eyeing my stash right now, ready to mix a Bloody Mary.

408 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:36pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Oh, nutz.

A stiff one, nuts.
I am too young for this room. ;)

409 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:09:53pm
410 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:05pm

re: #395 MandyManners

Heh, heh, “stiff one.”

411 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:05pm

Some people remember collage history classes about the Russian revolution. Unfortunately, they are the ones that want to have a repeat. They have their first Commander and Thief.

412 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:06pm

re: #395 MandyManners

If I didn’t have stuff to do, I’d get me a stiff DRINK. Oh, heck. I don’t have stuff that I really need to do.

I liked it better before.

413 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #408 DEZes

A stiff one, nuts.
I am too young for this room. ;)

I had my mind in the gutter too.

414 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:34pm

re: #409 MandyManners

I might quit smoking just to piss off that no-talent, fucking, Commie bastard.

but then no booze, no sugar, life is no fun anymore with out them

415 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:36pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

I liked it better before.

OMG

416 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:44pm
417 docremulac  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

“Fine, I’m sorry I said fuck you, asshole.”

Pretty brave on line eh?

Don’t post something on line you wouldn’t say to a man’s face. People have differences of opinion here and it’s a free forum whether you like it or not. I’ve addressed your opinion that all sides are equally to blame, now I’m telling you that by saying things like “fuck you asshole” you’re just looking like a spoiled child who’s not getting his way. Presumably you’re a grown man. Act like it.

418 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:10:54pm

re: #415 NYCHardhat

What?

419 LesLein  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:05pm

re: #296 NYCHardhat

sadly, that is why I obtained a firearm.

I just bought some gold coins. I guess a gun is next.

420 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:06pm

re: #410 Wyatt Earp

Heh, heh, “stiff one.”

She said stiff….. *butthead voice*

421 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #413 NYCHardhat

I had my mind in the gutter too.

I am a PERVERT!
Sorry that was so loud.

422 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:10pm

re: #409 MandyManners

I might quit smoking just to piss off that no-talent, fucking, Commie bastard.

Don’t do it! He needs your tax money.

423 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Oh, nutz.

Sure glad you clarified that. I was about to get *whacked* for sure.

;-)

424 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:11:36pm

re: #387 NYCHardhat

S-CHIP?

State Children’s Health Insurance Program. My bad for throwing in an unwarranted hyphen, I was trying to make it readable the way I have heard it mentioned on the radio.

425 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:07pm
426 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:17pm

re: #419 LesLein

I just bought some gold coins. I guess a gun is next.

Then all you need is an eye patch, a parrot, and a sword. Aargh!

427 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:28pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I’m sorry, Killgore, but the way our system is SUPPOSED to work, those retention bonuses would have gone bye-bye if AIG were allowed to have filed bankruptcy (and voided those contracts). Hell, Congress had their shot to strip them out or reduce them with the last stimulus bill (the legality of that option seems to be pretty shaky IMO because of contract law), but Chris Dodd (D-Countrywide) made damn sure with his amendment that they would be paid.

It’s guaranteed that few in Congress knew all of what was in that bill before they voted on it and I seriously doubt Dear Leader read it either before he signed it into law…all this faux outrage at AIG and them stoking the populist “put the head of the AIG folks on a pike” rage is nothing but class envy and another avenue to consolidate even more power and money in DC.

*retch*

428 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:34pm

re: #391 NYCHardhat

8 in nyc

but only till April 1st, then they go up again…

429 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:34pm

re: #425 MandyManners

THEY DON’T WANT US TO HAVE FUN.

bastards

430 kansas  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:36pm

Perhaps ACORN will just move their people into these homes. Ours too, for that matter. After all, we took it from them. /

431 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:40pm

re: #418 Sharmuta

What?

I can’t say. You would be offended.

432 LGoPs  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:40pm

Gotta run. The dog insists on taking me for a walk. Later lizards.

433 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:42pm

re: #426 Wyatt Earp

Lol!

434 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:12:57pm

re: #387 NYCHardhat

S-CHIP?

NYCHardhat -

State
Children’s
Health
Insuance
Program

Originally a Republican Program to subsidize health insurance, through the states, for children of low wage earners. NOW - The Stalking Horse for Socialized Medicine as it is for “the Children.”

-S-

435 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:02pm
436 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #421 DEZes

I am a PERVERT!
Sorry that was so loud.

Hi, I’m Hardhat. I’m a pervert too. ;)

437 Erik The Red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:27pm

Quick in and out Lizards. See the sleepless on the LNDT.

438 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:33pm

re: #434 Dr. Shalit

NYCHardhat -

State
Children’s
Health
Insuance
Program

Originally a Republican Program to subsidize health insurance, through the states, for children of low wage earners. NOW - The Stalking Horse for Socialized Medicine as it is for “the Children.”

-S-

thanks.

439 The Other Les  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:42pm

A distinctive political uniform, such as a brown shirt, would be too obvious.

440 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:13:51pm
441 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #426 Wyatt Earp

Then all you need is an eye patch, a parrot, and a sword. Aargh!

This is a good one!

442 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #435 MandyManners

What kind of world am I leaving for The Kid?

One where The Kid is going to have to work twice as hard as we did to fix our politicians’ mess.

443 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:10pm

re: #428 brookly red

but only till April 1st, then they go up again…

can’t wait. I have to start smack now.

444 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #386 MandyManners

I don’t smoke myself, but standing in line in the People’s Republic of Portland, OR, I heard a clerk tell a customer that packs were $7.00. She said, “Well I’m here, so give me two.”

Isn’t the plan to use the additional tax to fund the SCHIP program? That if people stop smoking (as the guv’mint claims they want us to), that doubtlessly worthwhile program (///) will loose funding?

445 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:26pm

Unbelievable! Or is it?

So, now the mob doesn’t even need the trouble of walking to storm the strongholds of the EVIL rich; they go in buses.

Great, just great.

Thanks, Barry, and, once more, thank you to everyone who sat out or voted against McCain because he wasn’t sufficiently conservative.

446 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:26pm

re: #440 MandyManners

Fucking, Commie bastards.

LOL, i didn’t know u can words like that here

447 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:28pm
448 LesLein  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:34pm

Has anyone connected to ACORN ever held a real job?

449 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:36pm

re: #406 subsailor68

I’m telling you, it is a great product. I think I am going to burn our my shredder before too long.

It does business cards, and documents as well. I am literally going to be able to put an entire filing cabinet on one disc, and the papers in search-able PDF formats.

sweet technology.

450 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:48pm

re: #395 MandyManners

I just caught up to the “No dryer buzzers” post on the overnight. Sounds like a good opportunity for a relaxing beverage to me!

451 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:14:57pm
452 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:00pm

re: #424 FurryOldGuyJeans

State Children’s Health Insurance Program. My bad for throwing in an unwarranted hyphen, I was trying to make it readable the way I have heard it mentioned on the radio.

I guess he meant well, but spent wayyyyyy to much.

453 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #370 screaming_eagle

Time to stimulate the econmy by buying 10 cartons at once.

Here, Louisiana:

$32.00/carton, March 1.

$42.00/carton, March 15.

$52.00/carton, April 1.

454 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:11pm

re: #436 NYCHardhat

Hi, I’m Hardhat. I’m a pervert too. ;)


Hi right back at ya.

455 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:25pm
456 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:29pm

re: #435 MandyManners

What kind of world am I leaving for The Kid?

That is what I find to be so distressing. The kid and the grandkids.

457 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:31pm

re: #444 redmirabai

I don’t smoke myself, but standing in line in the People’s Republic of Portland, OR, I heard a clerk tell a customer that packs were $7.00. She said, “Well I’m here, so give me two.”

Isn’t the plan to use the additional tax to fund the SCHIP program? That if people stop smoking (as the guv’mint claims they want us to), that doubtlessly worthwhile program (///) will loose funding?

welcome to ILL, soon , very very son, extra $1 tax per pack, which in Crook/Stroger county will make approximately $8 a pack or more
is pot cheaper?

458 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:37pm

re: #453 pink freud

Here, Louisiana:

$32.00/carton, March 1.

$42.00/carton, March 15.

$52.00/carton, April 1.

Whoa! i might just have to take up cigarette smuggling as my new sideline.

459 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:46pm
460 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #3 red satellite

insane running the asylum

I cannot believe this hasn’t been updinged much more. The last few months read like a Sinclair Lewis book.

461 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:52pm

re: #377 gregg

Obama is doing a 90 minute interview on 60 minutes Sunday night. Why, may I ask, does he need another national news conference on Tuesday? If you want to hear what he has to say, watch 60 minutes. Don’t subject the rest of us to his prattle again and again. Finally, it’s 60 Minutes not 90 Minutes - what is it with Obama and numbers (see 57 states)?

Gawd - is he ever off the TV at all?
Is there one blessed day where he keeps his gob shut and leaves the nation in peace?

462 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:55pm

re: #419 LesLein

I just bought some gold coins. I guess a gun is next.

Hurry.

463 kansas  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:57pm

re: #448 LesLein

Has anyone connected to ACORN ever held a real job?

Job?

464 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:15:58pm

re: #448 LesLein

Has anyone connected to ACORN ever held a real job?

Obama is the first, and his “real job” as POTUS has been a disaster.

465 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:07pm

What’s really bugging me right now is the people who aren’t paying any attention, and if you talk to them, give you some variety of “Oh, I don’t pay attention to politics.”

They don’t only tax the people who pay attention. They won’t let you stay under a private medical system because “I just don’t get involved in politics.” Do you suppose only the sons of women who paid attention to politics died in the civil war?

You can ignore “politics,” but it won’t ignore you.

466 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:13pm

re: #399 Maximu§

Now there’s a picture for the MSM: “Innocent Families Targeted by Raging Capitalist! Video at 11!”

467 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:14pm

re: #434 Dr. Shalit

NYCHardhat -

State
Children’s
Health
Insuance
Program

Originally a Republican Program to subsidize health insurance, through the states, for children of low wage earners. NOW - The Stalking Horse for Socialized Medicine as it is for “the Children.”

-S-

And reading my own link I find out I was 100% wrong in saying Bush overspent on the program. Bush actually VETOED twice an attempt to increase the funding.

/ mea culpa, my bad.

468 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:14pm

re: #435 MandyManners

What kind of world am I leaving for The Kid?

Let’s see. You stay informed. You crusade against the madness of this spending orgy. You work to broaden the outrage of what’s happening here.

I’d say you’re doin’ just fine, and the Kid will be okay - or at least know you did your best.

469 Racer X  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #446 Gella

LOL, i didn’t know u can words like that here

Only Mandy. The rest of us have to get special permission.

470 gregg  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:26pm

re: #384 vagabond trader

He keeps it up with the media barrage, maybe we should think about the fairness doctrine.
/////

I don’t know if it was discussed here, but Carol Platt Liebau (first female managing editor of the Harvard Law Review), made these comments recently about Obama’s time as the president of the Harvard Law Review:

It reminds me a little bit of my experience with him when he was president of the Harvard Law Review. You know, I hesitated to say a lot about this during the campaign because I really thought maybe it wasn’t fair. That maybe, finally, when he got to be President, this would be a job big enough to engage and hold Barack Obama’s sustained interest, because really, is there a bigger job out here?
[…]
[W]hen he was at the HLR you did get a very distinct sense that he was the kind of guy who much more interested in being the president of the Review, than he was in doing anything as president of the Review.

A lot of the time he quote/unquote “worked from home”, which was sort of a shorthand - and people would say it sort of wryly - shorthand for not really doing much. He just wasn’t around. Most of the day to day work was carried out by the managing editor of the Review, my predecessor, a great guy called Tom Pirelli whose actually going to be one of the assistant attorney generals now.

I think he’s already bored with the job, so he’s gone back to campaigning.

471 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #439 The Other Les

A distinctive political uniform, such as a brown shirt, would be too obvious.

I hope they will be taupe.

472 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:36pm

re: #439 The Other Les

Yeah, but pink or lavender ones wont look good either

473 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:44pm

re: #471 debutaunt

I hope they will be taupe.

Mushroom, maybe?

474 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:55pm

re: #469 Racer X

Only Mandy. The rest of us have to get special permission.

can I? can i? can I? please, please, please

475 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:16:58pm
476 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:01pm

re: #434 Dr. Shalit

It is also now available to fairly comfortable earners who do not feel that paying for their kids healthcare is a priority.More fodder in the class wars brought to you by the TOTUS.

477 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:07pm

re: #471 debutaunt

I hope they will be taupe.

realistically, though, it’ll be denim. we all know that.

478 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #465 EmmmieG

What’s really bugging me right now is the people who aren’t paying any attention, and if you talk to them, give you some variety of “Oh, I don’t pay attention to politics.”

They don’t only tax the people who pay attention. They won’t let you stay under a private medical system because “I just don’t get involved in politics.” Do you suppose only the sons of women who paid attention to politics died in the civil war?

You can ignore “politics,” but it won’t ignore you.

Worse- they don’t pay attention to politics but they vote!

479 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #317 MandyManners

Open Secrets.

Holy crap. That website is terrifying. I put in the company I work for (financial) and Dodd and Frank came up like a rash.

480 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #448 LesLein

Hey, don’t knock it, I’m guessing the pay is great. Maybe even in cash.

481 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:17:50pm

re: #462 pink freud

Hurry.

I’d buy the ammo first. Thats what is going up faster. Guns will drop in price when people cant afford the ammo.

482 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #478 Sharmuta

Worse- they don’t pay attention to politics but they vote!

And give it as much thought—or less—than they gave their American Idol vote.

483 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:18:22pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I’ve been spending too much time on blogs so I needed a reality check…..
76% Say AIG Executives Should Be Forced To Give Back Bonuses

The stats in that survey tell me that either the poll questions were massaged to give the desired outcome (the populist rage storyline) or the respondents are really f**king stupid.

G*d help us either way…

484 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #459 MandyManners

THE SUN’S OVER THE YARDARM SOMEWHERE.

Yep, sounds good, I’m cranky today anyway….

Lizards looking for a fine Bitter Ale might consider this.

Stone Old Guardian Barley Wine.
Limited brewing so get it now.

485 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #452 NYCHardhat

I guess he meant well, but spent wayyyyyy to much.

I was 100% wrong on SCHIP. Bush vetoed twice increased funding for the program, Obama increased the funding and the number of people covered February 2009.

486 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:18:58pm

How many Populist Rage Boys wouldn’t even blink about their favorite pro sports team forking over $7-10m a year for somebody who throws a ball around?

487 Maximu§  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:19:02pm

I work for wealthy people…billionaires and let me say this. When they build their dream homes, it provides THOUSANDS of jobs.

-Architects and engineer’s.

-Concrete and steel contractors.

-trucks to deliver that stuff.

-Blueprints

-Electricians

-Plumbers.

-A/C installers

-window makers.

-drywall installers

-furnature.

-marble/carpeting/wood flooring

-pools

-cabinetry

-Landscaping

etc etc etc etc…the list goes on and on, but you get my point. They provide more honest jobs than Obama and his worthless mob could ever.

488 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:19:14pm

re: #482 EmmmieG

And give it as much thought—or less—than they gave their American Idol vote.

Except that’s different. They pay attention to American Idol, so that’s an informed vote at least.

489 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:19:24pm

re: #443 NYCHardhat

can’t wait. I have to start smack now.

Well the bootleggers are charging 4ish… and you can get all kinds of other neat stuff while you are there. Seems we didn’t learn much from prohibition now did we…

490 FrogMarch  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:19:58pm

whip everyone into a frenzy - then go in for the kill:
Death to capitalism, death to freedom - hello big daddy gubment.

491 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:20:03pm
492 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #485 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was 100% wrong on SCHIP. Bush vetoed twice increased funding for the program, Obama increased the funding and the number of people covered February 2009.

Bush was far from perfect, but I would vote him him twice again.

493 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:20:20pm

re: #478 Sharmuta

Worse- they don’t pay attention to politics but they vote!

4 people I interact with on a frequent basis who “don’t care about politics” at least have the balls and integrity to not vote.

494 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:20:57pm

No more oil drilling. No more coal production. Nuclear is off-limits. Wind power is a NIMBY issue. Solar? Yeah, that’s it. But wait:

Feinstein seeks block solar power from desert land

The Wildlands Conservancy orchestrated the government’s purchase of the land between 1999-2004. It negotiated a discount sale from the real estate arm of the former Santa Fe and Southern Pacific Railroad and then contributed $40 million to help pay for the purchase. David Myers, the conservancy’s executive director, said the solar projects would do great harm to the region’s desert tortoise population.

There are priorities.

495 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:20:59pm

Beer, check
Smokes, 4 left in a pack.
Pizza, zip.
almost time to make a run.

496 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:07pm

re: #487 Maximu§

A govenment can’t produce wealth, but it is amazing at taking it away.

497 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:10pm

re: #491 MandyManners

remember for some ppl ignorance is the bliss they live in

498 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:10pm

re: #489 brookly red

Well the bootleggers are charging 4ish… and you can get all kinds of other neat stuff while you are there. Seems we didn’t learn much from prohibition now did we…

I wasn’t alive….

499 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:28pm
500 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:31pm

re: #475 MandyManners

That looks like a bumper sticker right there:
JUST KEEP CHANTING
2010201020102010

501 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:42pm

re: #487 Maximu§

You forgot home theater/audio/video/automation technicians. I’m not one of them, I merely play one on TV :)

502 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:21:51pm

re: #439 The Other Les

A distinctive political uniform, such as a brown shirt, would be too obvious.

Whatever the uniform is they settle on will be introduced in a religious format, worship of the One.

503 kansas  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:14pm

re: #496 debutaunt

A govenment can’t produce wealth, but it is amazing at taking it away.

Wait minute. What are they “investing” in then? Ha.

504 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:14pm
505 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:19pm

re: #493 FurryOldGuyJeans

4 people I interact with on a frequent basis who “don’t care about politics” at least have the balls and integrity to not vote.

I have a co-worker who doesn’t care about politics and thinks they’re all bums, so he doesn’t vote. I looked at him and said, “fair enough!”

506 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:33pm

re: #500 redmirabai

That looks like a bumper sticker right there:
JUST KEEP CHANTING
2010201020102010

I’m clicking my heals too.
It aint working. :(

507 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:38pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

/probably worked hard and earned every square foot of it

And very possibly owned those large homes before they ever went to AIG. It’s my understanding that the execs in question, who got those large bonuses, were hired specifically to wind up the failed portions of the company.

If I were one of the people on that list, I’d be calling “Spike Belts R Us.”

508 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:59pm

re: #439 The Other Les

A distinctive political uniform, such as a brown shirt, would be too obvious.

The Other Les -

BARE CHESTS - at least for the men. When all you have is “CHANGE” it is hard to afford more.

-S-

509 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:22:59pm

re: #492 NYCHardhat

Bush was far from perfect, but I would vote him him twice again.

Bush and McCain both in a heart beat, especially given the opponents both men were presented.

510 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #481 NYCHardhat

I’d buy the ammo first. Thats what is going up faster. Guns will drop in price when people cant afford the ammo.

A reasonable theory, but from everything I’ve seen it’s my belief that there will be no downward trend in price in the foreseeable future.

But, yes on the ammo. Surprisingly, Academy Sporting Goods has a decent supply with stable prices.

511 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:25pm
512 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #505 Sharmuta

I have a co-worker who doesn’t care about politics and thinks they’re all bums, so he doesn’t vote. I looked at him and said, “fair enough!”

I’d shake their hand and say “thank you”.

513 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:47pm

re: #509 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bush and McCain both in a heart beat, especially given the opponents both men were presented.

Who was the last good politician? Reagan?

514 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:56pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I don’t know whether to pity them or envy them.

i actually envy them, because i can read and i do, unfortunately

515 big L  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:23:57pm

“Missed them by THAT much!” Maxwell Smart.
Crazy-making on the part of Obama and the crackpot element in Congress.
Don’t buy into it.Strictly theatre to distract and exhaust us by tearing the USA and capitalism. Focus on what we can do.How many seats do we need in the Senate.Are their any donks that can be supported as Reagan Democrats, that is any with wisdom remaining? What is it:34 seats?
How many House seats. They are all up for election.
Remember that the donks run to the center or center- right when they want to win. That Rahm Emanuel got Donk-lite or Iraq war vets to run and win. Copy that scenario and we can win too. The congress and P-Obama set up this AIG thing to tear down the business world and create chaos. Knew about it ahead of time. Don’t buy into it.

516 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:24:18pm
517 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:24:20pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I don’t know whether to pity them or envy them.

probably both.

518 Lynn B.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:24:41pm

re: #165 subsailor68

It has become evident to me that this entire AIG mess is an example of what happens when politicians believe, mistakenly, that they know how to run a business. It has become clear that people like Geithner knew about the bonus issue (he was asked about it during a congressional hearing back in February - IIRC?), which means Congress knew, or should have known - since a member asked the question.

February? He knew about it long before February. So did anyone who was paying attention. This article is dated DECEMBER 11, 2008. And you’ll notice the MFM was already doing their best to stir things up.

After Rescue, Bonuses Still Flow At AIG

(CBS) Insurance giant AIG was given $152 billion in bailout money by the federal government since nearly collapsing in September. Now the company is planning to take millions of that money and hand it over to employees in a program that sounds a lot like bonuses.

AIG’s new CEO is only taking a single dollar for his compensation this year and the top 60 executives won’t be getting bonuses. But that hasn’t stopped AIG from finding a creative way to keep some of their top employees in what they’re calling “retention payments,” reports CBS News correspondent Priya David.

To some it seems like business-as-usual end-of-the-year bonuses.

To some, it might seem that way. But it wasn’t.

And yet, this morning on Fox the ijits were saying that while this bus tour is creepy, the outrage is justified and Congress “just found out about these bonuses.”

We’re being lied to, blatantly and constantly.

519 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:24:56pm

re: #513 NYCHardhat

Who was the last good politician? Reagan?

Goldwater, with Reagan a VERY close second.

520 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:25:07pm

re: #509 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bush and McCain both in a heart beat, especially given the opponents both men were presented.

We have three years until we require a candidate, or just let the dems choose another one for us.

521 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:25:09pm
522 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:25:12pm

re: #516 MandyManners

I really want “FCBBHO” with a sickle and hammer.

I like the shirt I saw. “I hope change fails.”

523 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #495 DEZes

Beer, check
Smokes, 4 left in a pack.
Pizza, zip.
almost time to make a run.

Pick me up some beer also, always need more.

524 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:25:51pm

re: #498 NYCHardhat

I wasn’t alive….

nor was I… but Al Capone was ;)

525 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:02pm

re: #513 NYCHardhat

Who was the last good politician? Reagan?

Ron Paul!

526 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:13pm

re: #519 FurryOldGuyJeans

Goldwater, with Reagan a VERY close second.

Isn’t that sad? We haven’t had anybody in close to 30 years. I’m demoralized.

527 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:16pm

re: #516 MandyManners

I really want “FCBBHO” with a sickle and hammer.

F☭BBHO

528 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:31pm

re: #523 screaming_eagle

Pick me up some beer also, always need more.

Enough is never enough,
*Burp*

529 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:48pm

re: #525 Bloodnok

Ron Paul!

Why do I suddenly want to buy a blimp?

530 yesandno  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:26:55pm

Something was said by Dodd about trying to remove that portion of the bill that allowed the bonuses. But at the request of the WH, the language remained.

Could it be that the WH wanted the bonuses to go forward to then have an issue to distract the public before they shoved something else through….like being able to regulated executive compensation in all business?

By focusing all of us on this stupid issue, they will remove another right we have to negotiate our own salaries. Imagine if these salaries had been part of a union package….can you imagine them going after any of that?

531 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:07pm

re: #523 screaming_eagle

Pick me up some beer also, always need more.

Guinness?

532 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:18pm

re: #520 debutaunt

We have three years until we require a candidate, or just let the dems choose another one for us.

2010 to possibly put some serious bluntage on the Socialist agenda of our Communist in Chief.

533 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:29pm

re: #531 NYCHardhat

Guinness?

yammmmm :)

534 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #515 big L

“Missed them by THAT much!” Maxwell Smart.
Crazy-making on the part of Obama and the crackpot element in Congress.
Don’t buy into it.Strictly theatre to distract and exhaust us by tearing the USA and capitalism. That Rahm Emanuel got Donk-lite or Iraq war vets to run and win. Copy that scenario and we can win too. The congress and P-Obama set up this AIG thing to tear down the business world and create chaos. Knew about it ahead of time. Don’t buy into it.

Problem is, these guys appear to be carrying out every single last thing I dismissed as crack-potted tinfoolery when folks were telling me to be afraid, very afraid, of Barry. I voted McCain as the better guy, obviously, but didn’t think Barry would exceed my worst fears so quickly.

These bus-riders, et al.; the “green jobs” czar, etc. Folks, this is the Red Guard in the making, with Barry as Mao.

535 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:43pm

re: #524 brookly red

nor was I… but Al Capone was ;)

I’d vote for him instead of Barry./

536 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:27:49pm

re: #531 NYCHardhat

Guinness?

Extra stout.

537 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #531 NYCHardhat

Guinness?

Anything made with hops………………………………..

538 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:28:17pm

re: #529 debutaunt

Why do I suddenly want to buy a blimp?

Buy a blimp? You must be one of them rich folks.

“GET HER!”

539 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #527 jcm

F☭BBHO

AWESOME!

540 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:28:42pm

re: #529 debutaunt

Why do I suddenly want to buy a blimp?

The Ron Paul Blimp was hijacked…so far the hijackers have bounced it off the Chicago Sears tower 22 times…:)


/S

541 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:28:53pm

re: #535 NYCHardhat

I’d vote for him instead of Barry./

he would treat you better for sure…

542 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:02pm

re: #530 yesandno

Something was said by Dodd about trying to remove that portion of the bill that allowed the bonuses. But at the request of the WH, the language remained.

Could it be that the WH wanted the bonuses to go forward to then have an issue to distract the public before they shoved something else through….like being able to regulated executive compensation in all business?

By focusing all of us on this stupid issue, they will remove another right we have to negotiate our own salaries. Imagine if these salaries had been part of a union package….can you imagine them going after any of that?

I feel like I’m behind enemy lines.

543 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #538 Bloodnok

Buy a blimp? You must be one of them rich folks.

“GET HER!”

Nice torches!

544 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:25pm

re: #543 debutaunt

Nice torches!

Hindenberg!

545 Lynn B.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:28pm

re: #518 Lynn B.

(cont.)

And in case you think that was just some esoteric news story that got missed by all those sharp tacks in Congress, read on a bit …

On Wednesday [Dec 10], lawmakers grilled Assistant Treasury Secretary Neel Kashkari about AIG’s bonus plan. Rep. Donald Manzullo, R-Ill., asked if a $3 million bonus was too much.

“It is excessive for a failing institution, yes,” said Kashkari.

But so far, no one’s stopping AIG from paying millions to some employees in its new retention program. The company has told 168 employees they’ll receive between $92,500 and $4 million per individual if they stay with the company for one year. That angers some on Capitol Hill.

546 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:40pm

So the AIG thing is Two Minutes Hate, right? Ungood.

547 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:50pm

re: #542 NYCHardhat

I feel like I’m behind enemy lines.

Excellent analogy. Me too.

548 DEZes  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:54pm

re: #538 Bloodnok

Buy a blimp? You must be one of them rich folks.

“GET HER!”


Can I borrow a pitch fork?

549 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:54pm

re: #542 NYCHardhat

I feel like I’m behind enemy lines.

We are. As I said yesterday, it’s like the capitol was captured by an enemy regime.

550 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:54pm

re: #543 debutaunt

Nice torches!

Just happy to see you, is all.

551 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:29:57pm

re: #526 NYCHardhat

Isn’t that sad? We haven’t had anybody in close to 30 years. I’m demoralized.

Don’t be. I was just expressing my opinion. Reagan was a Goldwater for the 80’s, just a few quibbles I had. Both Bushes gave me serious heartburn with their fiscally liberal/SocCon leanings. But the alternatives to either, especially 43, were truly toxic.

552 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:12pm

re: #399 Maximu§

So what happens when one of these buses “stops” in front of one of those homes and the angry mob pours out? If I were an AIG exec, I would keep my banana clips loaded.

safety is definitely a major concern here. mobs can go nuts so easily.
and then, there you are, trampled or beat to death.
i hope the people being menaced realize they may their only line of defense if these scum bags ignite.
i’d be prepared to do anything i had to,
to keep my family safe.

553 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #544 Guanxi88

Hindenberg!

Les Nessman

554 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:17pm

re: #543 debutaunt

Nice torches!

Since I’m a Smurf, mine’s a matchstick. :p

555 Maximu§  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:27pm

re: #501 BigPapa

You forgot home theater/audio/video/automation technicians. I’m not one of them, I merely play one on TV :)

Like I said, the list goes on and on…I specialize in large estate. Some as large as 80,000 sf and it never fails to amaze me how many workers it takes to produce a home that large and let me say this…in my 20 years as senior project manager and after visiting thousands and thousands of jobsites, Ive only seen 3 Black men actually doing manual labor…….3!

Listen up ACORN Assholes, There is work out there, but you have to compete with the Hispanics and you better bring your best game, because they can work any of us under the table. Riding around in buses and rioting will only get you so far, because when we start shooting back, it won’t be fun anymore.

556 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:28pm

re: #542 NYCHardhat

I feel like I’m behind enemy lines.

Well that would be anywhere in the USA. Doesn’t narrow it down much.

557 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #553 debutaunt

Les Nessman

As G-d is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!

558 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:31:23pm

re: #550 Bloodnok

Just happy to see you, is all.

hahahahahahahahahahaa

559 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #535 NYCHardhat

I’d vote for him instead of Barry./

Or at least have recommended that Obama bring Capone on as a senior adviser. That way, when Barry decided to be all nicey-nice with the mullahs in Iran, Capone could have quoted himself:

You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.

560 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:31:31pm

re: #553 debutaunt

Les Nessman

Chy Chy Rodrigueez?

561 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:31:40pm

re: #539 NYCHardhat

AWESOME!

F☭ББHO

562 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:32:02pm

re: #552 nyc redneck

safety is definitely a major concern here. mobs can go nuts so easily.
and then, there you are, trampled or beat to death.
i hope the people being menaced realize they may their only line of defense if these scum bags ignite.
i’d be prepared to do anything i had to,
to keep my family safe.

You own a firearm?

563 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:32:21pm

I’m wary of any party that has ‘Working’, ‘Equality’ or ‘Justice’ (especially ‘Social Justice’/’Economic Justice’) in their title. I mean it’s like it gives them liscence to screw the pooch and when somebody points it out, they can say ‘How dare you!? We’re the Worker’s Party for Equality and Justice! Our concern for the working-class is in our title!’…..when in reality it’s just window dressing.

Kinda like how North Korea’s official title is the Democatic People’s Republic of Korea….

564 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:32:37pm

re: #552 nyc redneck

The CT State Police will be out in full force and they are NOT the touchie feelie types.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:32:49pm

re: #1 Aviator

And Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Frank et al. will not care at all.

Why would they start now?

566 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:33:09pm

re: #552 nyc redneck

safety is definitely a major concern here. mobs can go nuts so easily.
and then, there you are, trampled or beat to death.
i hope the people being menaced realize they may their only line of defense if these scum bags ignite.
i’d be prepared to do anything i had to,
to keep my family safe.

Well, at the risk of sounding defeatist, let me say this:

If it comes to the point where you’re swapping lead with a mob at your door, it’s over anyway.

567 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:33:24pm

re: #555 Maximu§

Like I said, the list goes on and on…I specialize in large estate. Some as large as 80,000 sf and it never fails to amaze me how many workers it takes to produce a home that large and let me say this…in my 20 years as senior project manager and after visiting thousands and thousands of jobsites, Ive only seen 3 Black men actually doing manual labor…….3!

Listen up ACORN Assholes, There is work out there, but you have to compete with the Hispanics and you better bring your best game, because they can work any of us under the table. Riding around in buses and rioting will only get you so far, because when we start shooting back, it won’t be fun anymore.

A firefighter I worked with as a second job did cabinets. He put the cabinets into one of Bill Gate’s 3 kitchens. I was an entire year worth of work for him on one kitchen.

568 Colonel Panik  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:33:33pm

re: #549 Guanxi88

We are. As I said yesterday, it’s like the capitol was captured by an enemy regime.

As far as I am concerned, it is.
re: #561 jcm

F☭ББHO

To be really Cyrillic about it,

ф☭ББЧО

569 VioletTiger  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:34:03pm

Did anyone read some of the comments on that story site? There are some seriously crazy people out there. But I think it is just want Obama and Pelosi want. Stoking the fires for their socialist revolution.
And it anyone thinks it can’t happen to them, or with their company, think again. What’s to stop these nut-bags from taking their anger out on any company or business that is made to look like the enemy?
Scary times.

570 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:34:11pm

re: #560 Bloodnok

Chy Chy Rodrigueez?

It was so much fun that he stuck with his pronounciation after being corrected.

571 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:34:16pm

I hate Connecticut Communists.

572 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:34:31pm

re: #567 jcm

A firefighter I worked with as a second job did cabinets. He put the cabinets into one of Bill Gate’s 3 kitchens. I was an entire year worth of work for him on one kitchen.

Monica did cabinets as she worked her way up to Bill.

573 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:34:40pm

re: #562 NYCHardhat

yes.

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:35:00pm

re: #571 NukeAtomrod

Like whom?

/

575 Shug  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:35:49pm

I’m sure it’s been said but I’ll sayt it myself

I’ll bet there aren’t a lot of workers in the Workers Party

576 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:36:48pm

re: #524 brookly red

nor was I… but Al Capone was ;)

brookly red,

I see a T-Shirt coming - “SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUTTLEGGER!” Seriously, there were supposed to be a gazillion dollars for healthcare coming out of the 1990’s “Tobacco Settlement.” Unless I have missed something - where are those dollars? Where and HOW have they been spent, apart from Attorney Fees? As a NJ Resident, I am cynical. When I was a youngster we had NO SALES or INCOME TAXES. We have BOTH NOW, and it is still “NOT ENOUGH.” Guess all’y’all can see why I look at the new tobacco “sin tax” with a jaundiced eye. As Sen. McCain looked at Russian Pres. Putin and saw KGB - I look at the new Tobacco Tax and see SLUSH FUND!

-S-

577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:36:51pm

Hey! When did that little “auto” thingy show up beside new comments?

578 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:36:53pm

re: #567 jcm

A firefighter I worked with as a second job did cabinets. He put the cabinets into one of Bill Gate’s 3 kitchens. I was an entire year worth of work for him on one kitchen.

Back when Bill’s home was still being constructed he was paying more in property taxes than the entire value of most people’s homes. I would hate to see his current tax bill.

579 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:36:57pm

re: #568 Colonel Panik

To be really Cyrillic about it,

ф☭ББЧО

I see a bumper sticker… make people ask, then you can explain!

580 redmirabai  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #516 MandyManners

I really want “FCBBHO” with a sickle and hammer.

?

581 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:04pm

My question in all this is a simple one, really:

How can I profit from this mess? What concrete steps can I take now to line up a kommissariat?

582 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:11pm

re: #575 Shug

I’m sure it’s been said but I’ll sayt it myself

I’ll bet there aren’t a lot of workers in the Workers Party

Quite a few more strikers than workers, I’d say.

583 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:11pm

re: #573 nyc redneck

yes.

Good girl.

584 VioletTiger  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:13pm

Didn’t somebody here find an old article during the election that linked Obama to the socilaist New Party? I remember that pretty clearly. I also remember he denied it all, even though it was right there in black and white.

585 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:44pm

re: #559 subsailor68

Or at least have recommended that Obama bring Capone on as a senior adviser. That way, when Barry decided to be all nicey-nice with the mullahs in Iran, Capone could have quoted himself:

You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.

uhhh I think that was Bugsy… could be wrong

586 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:48pm

re: #445 Guanxi88

Unbelievable! Or is it?

So, now the mob doesn’t even need the trouble of walking to storm the strongholds of the EVIL rich; they go in buses.

Great, just great.

Thanks, Barry, and, once more, thank you to everyone who sat out or voted against McCain because he wasn’t sufficiently conservative.

I wonder what will result if one of those “evil” rich people sues the people providing the bus ride, after what will inevitably happen?

587 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:37:51pm

Must go. I hope everyone here has a great weekend!

588 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:06pm

re: #577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! When did that little “auto” thingy show up beside new comments?

I don’t know, but it’s fucking awesome!

589 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:10pm

re: #575 Shug

I’m sure it’s been said but I’ll sayt it myself

I’ll bet there aren’t a lot of workers in the Workers Party

People that actually work don’t have time to march in Commie mobs. They’re all making money to feed their families. Not trying to seize food from our babies mouths.

590 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:11pm

Well, this capitalist pig is feeling oppressed by lack of nap. (It’s only afternoon here.)

Unless they decide to tax naps, I will see you all later.

591 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:28pm

re: #569 VioletTiger

Did anyone read some of the comments on that story site? There are some seriously crazy people out there. But I think it is just want Obama and Pelosi want. Stoking the fires for their socialist revolution.
And it anyone thinks it can’t happen to them, or with their company, think again. What’s to stop these nut-bags from taking their anger out on any company or business that is made to look like the enemy?
Scary times.

Before Obama was elected, the LLLs were unhinged. Now that he’s elected, they’re really unhinged.

/go figure

592 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:37pm

re: #566 Guanxi88

Well, at the risk of sounding defeatist, let me say this:

If it comes to the point where you’re swapping lead with a mob at your door, it’s over anyway.

that does sound a bit defeatist.
i wouldn’t give up that easily. you probably wouldn’t either
if it came to protecting people you care abt.

593 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:40pm

Totally AWESOME, Charles!

594 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:38:56pm

re: #555 Maximu§

Like I said, the list goes on and on…I specialize in large estate.

So do I. I work for the ultra wealthy: I live ‘trickle down’ economics, as does the 100’s of people employed for two to three years through a mega-estate build.

But instead, it’s going to be better if I just wait for the government to spend the money? Yeah, right.

595 NYCHardhat  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

Totally AWESOME, Charles!

Huh? did I miss something?

596 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:17pm

re: #584 VioletTiger

Didn’t somebody here find an old article during the election that linked Obama to the socilaist New Party? I remember that pretty clearly. I also remember he denied it all, even though it was right there in black and white.

yeah, the new party claimed him, and, as always happens in these cases, the response is a “no, it didn’t happen, and so what if it did?”

He won, his people won, and so now he’s going to do as much as he can as fast as he can to make sure he and they stay in power.

As O’Brien points out: You don’t institute a dictatorship to protect a revolution; you have a revolution to institute a dictatorship. They’re trying to build the revolution now.

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

Totally AWESOME, Charles!

What she said!

598 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:23pm

*Sniffs air*

Yep. The old hip’s actin’ up.

a tech thread’s a-comin’.

599 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #546 Pullus Iulius

I got that! Good one.

600 VioletTiger  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:38pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

I don’t know, but it’s fucking awesome!

How does it work? I clicky, but nothing….

601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:41pm

re: #595 NYCHardhat

Huh? did I miss something?

The “auto” thingy!

602 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #585 brookly red

uhhh I think that was Bugsy… could be wrong

Oops…saw your post on the way out the door.

Nope. Appears it was Capone:

Al Capone Quotes

Of course, Bugsy could have stolen it from him. Good old Bugsy stole everything else!

;-)

603 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! When did that little “auto” thingy show up beside new comments?

What is this you are talking about? With my Firefox 2.0 I am not seeing anything different.

604 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:39:54pm

re: #586 Shay4l

I wonder what will result if one of those “evil” rich people sues the people providing the bus ride, after what will inevitably happen?

Good luck with that, is what I’d say. A lawsuit? Against whom, and for what, and how would you ever hope to collect?

605 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:40:01pm

re: #576 Dr. Shalit


/and the lottery funds education :)

606 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:40:11pm

re: #583 NYCHardhat

Good girl.

:D

607 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:40:17pm

re: #600 VioletTiger

How does it work? I clicky, but nothing….

refresh and you will see.

608 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:40:45pm

Now I just need an auto-scroller.

609 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:40:48pm
The party blends a culture of political organizing with unionism, 1960s idealism, and tactical pragmatism

Can we please just call them what they are? Communists.

610 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:10pm

What happens if I click the auto thingee?

611 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:12pm

I tried to upding a comment and the auto refresh kicked in and I missed.

612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:31pm

re: #608 Sharmuta

Nag, nag, nag.

613 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:33pm

re: #592 nyc redneck

that does sound a bit defeatist.
i wouldn’t give up that easily. you probably wouldn’t either
if it came to protecting people you care abt.

I’m not saying that I’d leave any rounds unexpended, just that when things have reached that stage, you’d need at least one Marine to help turn it around, is all. The time to stop a mob is before the form up, then maybe when they’re in transit, but by the time they reach the target, it’s a blood-bath to stop them if they’ve decided on destruction.

614 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:36pm

re: #610 vagabond trader

What happens if I click the auto thingee?

Magic!

615 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #608 Sharmuta

Now I just need an auto-scroller.

But I still have increased my free time by 50%.

616 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:48pm

re: #531 NYCHardhat

Guinness?

The elixir of the gods!

617 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:50pm

Wow!
That auto thingie truly is awesome!

618 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:51pm

re: #612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nag, nag, nag.

I know! Bad, Shar!

619 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:52pm

re: #610 vagabond trader

Oh, very cool.

620 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:41:59pm

Auto refresh is kinda cool, but makes it hard to type and rate.

621 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:00pm

re: #610 vagabond trader

What happens if I click the auto thingee?

i am trying to figure it out, probably auto new comments? does nothing on FF

622 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:20pm

Cant….post….button keeps running away!

623 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:31pm

re: #602 subsailor68

Oops…saw your post on the way out the door.

Nope. Appears it was Capone:

Al Capone Quotes

Of course, Bugsy could have stolen it from him. Good old Bugsy stole everything else!

;-)

I’ll take your woid for it.

624 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:35pm

re: #622 Mars Needs Neocons

Cant….post….button keeps running away!

Then turn it off!

625 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:43pm

Working fine on FF here

626 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:42:54pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

Then turn it off!

what is the time between reload?

627 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:11pm

re: #626 Gella

Don’t know

628 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:26pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

Hey, I need some kind of challenge.

629 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:31pm

re: #621 Gella

Which version? It’s chugging along on FF3.

630 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:33pm

I see two 626 posts!

631 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:36pm

We are sooo spoiled!

Thanks, Charles.

632 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:43:36pm

re: #627 Sharmuta

Don’t know

what ever it is, i don’t think it works with FF

633 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:00pm

re: #629 vagabond trader

Which version? It’s chugging along on FF3.

i also have FF3,ill give it some time and see

634 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:03pm

This is a great feature to have for a LNDT or a dead thread.

635 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:06pm

re: #605 brookly red

/and the lottery funds education :)

brookly red -

In my neighborhood lottery winnings tend to fund “Beaming Up to Scotty” and other pleasurable pursuits.

-S-

636 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:11pm

re: #542 NYCHardhat

I feel like I’m behind enemy lines.

Youtube Video

/you are

637 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:19pm

So when are there going to be bus tours of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd and Frank’s sweet digs? Bitch and moan all you want about the AIG bonuses, they’re the equivalanet of a guppy taking a piss in the Great lakes compared to the $787 billion (and counting) kickbacks the Dems doled out to their pals….

638 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #633 Gella

Try your toolbar refresh.

639 pink freud  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #632 Gella

what ever it is, i don’t think it works with FF

Refresh your page. FF here and it works after reload.

640 3 wood  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:42pm

The inmates at HuffPo are screaming about the leaked details of Geithners bank bail out plan.

And who do they want to punish for this problem?

Republicans.

EminemsRevenge
I think that the media is stuck on bad-mouthing the economy. Since most CEOs are waterboarding Republicans, I say we just execute a few of them on pay-per-view…the death penalty IS supposed to be a deterrent, right?

Everyone MIGHT start skating straight then

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/21/2009

641 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #628 Mars Needs Neocons

Hey, I need some kind of challenge.

Instead of ‘pin the tail on the donkey’, we lizards have ‘click the dropping “post this comment” button’.

642 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:45:05pm

re: #636 Killian Bundy

[Video]/you are

This ain’t no party
This ain’t no disco
This ain’t no foolin’ around

Youtube Video
643 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:45:19pm

STOP POSTING SO FAST I CAN’T KEEP UP……..

;-P

644 Gella  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #638 vagabond trader

Try your toolbar refresh.

ok :) thanks, i just keep pressing new comments button

645 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:45:45pm

The next Look At Me I’m Relevant temper tantrum:

sfgate.com

646 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:46:04pm

On IE7, some of the comments are duplicates.

647 Shug  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:46:17pm

Shirking Shirkers in The Party of Workers

648 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:47:18pm

re: #641 Sharmuta

lol

649 Mars Needs Neocons  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:47:49pm

And everytime you miss you have to take a drink, thus making later rounds harder

650 Lynn B.  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:48:07pm

re: #334 Bloodnok

Palestine

No such place.

651 VioletTiger  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:48:15pm

re: #640 3 wood
Good grief, what is wrong with this people? Most of the left is insane.

652 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:48:22pm

re: #613 Guanxi88

I’m not saying that I’d leave any rounds unexpended, just that when things have reached that stage, you’d need at least one Marine to help turn it around, is all. The time to stop a mob is before the form up, then maybe when they’re in transit, but by the time they reach the target, it’s a blood-bath to stop them if they’ve decided on destruction.

so it’s too late for before they are elected huh?

653 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:48:24pm

Maybe some kind soul can sabotage the buses so they won’t run?

654 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:48:26pm

re: #640 3 wood

The inmates at HuffPo are screaming about the leaked details of Geithners bank bail out plan.

And who do they want to punish for this problem?

Republicans.

/gee, how many private equity firms do you figure will even think about participating in the program after all of last week’s display of asshattery?

655 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:49:26pm

re: #555 Maximu§

Like I said, the list goes on and on…I specialize in large estate. Some as large as 80,000 sf and it never fails to amaze me how many workers it takes to produce a home that large and let me say this…in my 20 years as senior project manager and after visiting thousands and thousands of jobsites, Ive only seen 3 Black men actually doing manual labor…….3!

Listen up ACORN Assholes, There is work out there, but you have to compete with the Hispanics and you better bring your best game, because they can work any of us under the table. Riding around in buses and rioting will only get you so far, because when we start shooting back, it won’t be fun anymore.

You obviously don’t lead projects in the northern half of the country. Everybody works there.

656 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:50:29pm

OT… after yesterdays squeakers, it looks like blow out Saturday.

657 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:50:56pm

re: #652 brookly red

so it’s too late for before they are elected huh?

Sad to say, the mob’s already formed up, now we get word they’ve sent scouts and skirmishers out.

658 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:51:31pm

re: #653 pingjockey

Maybe some kind soul can sabotage the buses so they won’t run?

I don’t know… it seems no matter how much you throw under these freakin buses they just keep comming!

659 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:53:01pm

re: #363 Wyatt Earp

Well, Michelle is growing weed in their “kitchen garden” …

/

You can smoke arugula?

/

660 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:54:33pm

re: #659 talon_262

You can smoke arugula?

Sure.

/have some Tylenol handy

661 3 wood  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:55:23pm

By the way FASB has issued a proposed clarification to “Mark to Market valuation.
FASB Issues Proposals to Improve Guidance on Fair Value Measurements and Impairments

Proposed FSP FAS 115-a, FAS 124-a, and EITF 99-20-b on other-than-temporary impairments (OTTI) is intended to provide greater clarity to investors about the credit and noncredit component of an OTTI event and to more effectively communicate when an OTTI event has occurred. As proposed, the FSP would apply to both debt and equity securities. The proposed FSP requires separate display of losses related to credit deterioration and losses related to other market factors on the income statement. Market-related losses would be recorded in other comprehensive income if it is not likely that the investor will have to sell the security prior to recovery.

If approved, both FSPs would be effective for interim and annual periods ending after March 15, 2009. Constituents are encouraged to review the proposed FSPs and provide comment on whether they agree that the proposed FSPs would improve financial reporting. Written comments on both FSPs are due by Wednesday, April 1, 2009. The proposed FSPs and instructions for submitting comments can be found at fasb.org. The FASB has scheduled a Board meeting on April 2, 2009, to evaluate all comment letters and other input received on the FSPs.

If you plow through all the verbiage in the actual proposal, it basically says to use your judgement.

Big help there, FASB. Basically, they punted.

I expect Congress to enact something of their own to relax Mark To Market within a month.

662 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:55:31pm

re: #348 jcm

Marxist Utopia.

All the animals are equal….. in misery.

No, under Marxism/socialism/communism, all men are equal.

Some are just more equal than others…

/Isn’t that right, comrade?

663 Suzette  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #389 Killian Bundy

/it’d just be easier if they’d give him his own nightly prime time TV show

The only problem is every time he opens his mouth the Dow drops …
/I don’t understand him being on TV again and again…..

664 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:56:02pm

Let me tell you a story:

A big chief with a golden crown
….
And on the first day, we had everything we could stand
Ooh who could’ve asked for more?
And on the second day, there was nothing else left to do
Ooh what a day that was.

665 The Other Les  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:57:03pm

re: #640 3 wood

The inmates at HuffPo are screaming about the leaked details of Geithners bank bail out plan.

And who do they want to punish for this problem?

Republicans.

They scream for violence against the innocent and helpless and every time I advocate on my blog the only way that has been historically proven to stop the bloodshed some bozoid leaves a comment calling me a murderer. It’s a good thing that Blogspot now allows comment moderation.

666 3 wood  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:57:07pm

re: #654 Killian Bundy

gee, how many private equity firms do you figure will even think about participating in the program after all of last week’s display of asshattery?

That’s part of the problem. All this populist posturing by Frank and Obama and company just made it almost impossible for Geithner’s plan to work. Nobody will take the risk of getting destroyed on camera in front of a Congressional hearing now.

667 jcm  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:58:14pm

re: #662 talon_262

No, under Marxism/socialism/communism, all men are equal.

Some are just more equal than others…

/Isn’t that right, comrade?

DA! And why Vodka is so popular.

668 3 wood  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:58:20pm

re: #651 VioletTiger

Good grief, what is wrong with this people? Most of the left is insane.

Reminds me of the townspeople in Young Frankenstein.

669 ciaospirit  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:59:05pm

re: #376 solomonpanting

This may have been a non-story but for the army of reporters covering it:

Obama’s tax increases will see to that.

A handful of goons getting multi-day national media attention. Thousands of Americans protesting at tea parties against the Government got almost none. The Dispatch in Columbus, Ohio, sent this email about the 200 people that showed up at the Statehouse. The Dispatch offices are directly across the street from the Statehouse.

The small protest was not covered by the Dispatch. Given the frequency of small protests, we typically only cover those that are significant in size.

Yet on the front page of Dispatch.com today, the Dispatch reported on the 40! protesters against AIG. Imagine that.

670 3 wood  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:59:35pm

Got to run, later.

671 Piglet-U93  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 1:59:53pm

re: #439 The Other Les

A distinctive political uniform, such as a brown shirt, would be too obvious.

Corp members of the new GIVE act WILL be wearing UNIFORMS. (sec 1508 authorized benefits for corp members).

Plus

sec 602 Exchange program with countries in transtion from totalitarianism to Democracy.

What countries are in this transition? I cannot think of any, can you?

672 Colonel Panik  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:00:39pm

The Allende Myth

The failed and tragic attempt by Salvador Allende and the Popular Unity at creating socialism in Chile in 1970-1973 has become a myth for the world left, presented as the possibility of a peaceful and democratic transition to socialism that was destroyed only because the almighty CIA acted as master puppeteer of the Chilean reaction. The myth reinforces itself; while the Cold War context is never mentioned, neither is the fact that the CIA’s workings are well documented whereas the Cuban and Soviet interventions are still mostly unknown. The Allende myth may be good for keeping the socialist faith alive, but it evidently contradicts the historical facts.

While Augusto Pinochet’s brutal post-coup repression and terrorism cannot be justified, it is essential to explain what led him and the Chilean armed forces to the fateful coup d’état, outside of the fantasy that had him bursting onto the democratic Chilean political scene on September 11, 1973 with readymade CIA orders to stop a beautiful, pacific and liberating socialist dream. For I have no doubts that if the Chilean Marxist experiment had ended in civil war, as it appeared to most observers at the time, it would have been an even greater tragedy or, had it ended as the totalitarian society it pointed to, it would have lasted much longer and would have brought Chileans much more suffering than Pinochet’s ugly but temporary dictatorship.

READ IT ALL

673 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #671 Piglet-U93

Corp members of the new GIVE act WILL be wearing UNIFORMS. (sec 1508 authorized benefits for corp members).

Plus

sec 602 Exchange program with countries in transtion from totalitarianism to Democracy.

What countries are in this transition? I cannot think of any, can you?

Iraq

674 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #671 Piglet-U93

Corp members of the new GIVE act WILL be wearing UNIFORMS. (sec 1508 authorized benefits for corp members).

Plus

sec 602 Exchange program with countries in transtion from totalitarianism to Democracy.

What countries are in this transition? I cannot think of any, can you?

So that’s it, then. Barry’s got his Presidential Corps, huh? I’m still sticking with a denim theory for material - fits the whole casual/urban prole thing. Brown’s too obvious, of course.

Green, maybe, as a patch or device, but denim, I’m betting.

675 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:04:32pm

re: #666 3 wood

That’s part of the problem. All this populist posturing by Frank and Obama and company just made it almost impossible for Geithner’s plan to work. Nobody will take the risk of getting destroyed on camera in front of a Congressional hearing now.

What they did to Liddy last week was absolutely unconscionable. The guy’s a volunteer, working at the request of the government, with the government working against him, trying to hold what’s left of AIG together with bailing wire so it doesn’t blow up in our faces, and he had to sit and take all that [expletive deleted] too?

/if it would have been me, I would have walked out, given the assclowns a hearty [expletive deleted] off, and quit on the spot

676 MarkX  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:05:41pm

re: #483 talon_262

The stats in that survey tell me that either the poll questions were massaged to give the desired outcome (the populist rage storyline) or the respondents are really f**king stupid.

G*d help us either way…

Well… American Idol is the #1 show and more people watch Leo & Letterman than the news….

Does that answer your question?

677 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:06:38pm

re: #669 ciaospirit

This is why I like the protests. People begin realizing the medis bias. It exposes them, they will cover it to save their asses.

678 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:07:59pm

re: #677 screaming_eagle

This is why I like the protests. People begin realizing the medis bias. It exposes them, they will cover it to save their asses.

Look, as far as the official arbiters and reporters of reality are concerned, you don’t exist, and you’re evil.

679 AlexRogan  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:08:07pm

re: #464 Wyatt Earp

Obama is the first, and his “real job” as POTUS has been a disaster.

Dear Leader’s reign, to this point, has only been shaping up to be a disaster for us, not for him.

I posit he doesn’t give two shits about most people in this country (or our allies)…so far, he only seems to care about the celebrity (as it were) and the perks that come with the office.

Dear Leader can just go take a long walk off a short pier…

680 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:09:23pm

re: #678 Guanxi88

Look, as far as the official arbiters and reporters of reality are concerned, you don’t exist, and you’re evil.

funny, that is what they said about satan….

681 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:10:00pm

re: #678 Guanxi88

Look, as far as the official arbiters and reporters of reality are concerned, you don’t exist, and you’re evil.

True, but they do worry about their own asses. Can’t let the mases know they are biased. Have to keep up the illusion.

682 Piglet-U93  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #673 brookly red

Only in the mind of TOTUS and the general clueless dhimmis.

When America leaves Iraq it will be: “Islam is as Islam does” my only regret will be the loss of US soldiers and the eventual slaughter of the Kurds and the obvious obliteration of all remaining non-Muslims.

683 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #681 screaming_eagle

True, but they do worry about their own asses. Can’t let the mases know they are biased. Have to keep up the illusion.

with all due respect, they don’t need no stinkin illusion.

684 Guanxi88  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:13:06pm

re: #683 brookly red

with all due respect, they don’t need no stinkin illusion.

Gotta agree there. They see the reality as reported, so to them, there’s no bias.

685 Roses  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:13:08pm

re: #19 Charles

Would you be surprised to learn that it’s a coalition of socialist groups — including ACORN?

The American Left - no, worse, it is the President’s minions sent out to do his dirty work, the President’s “community organizer” stormtroopers sent out to demonize and terrorize the President’s own people…

At a time when the president should be calling for calm, he is instead fomenting death threats, hatreds and rage against the scapegoats who are being used to hide the lies being told by the Obama administration - provable lies told by Chris “waitress sandwich” Dodd (D) and the tax-cheat in charge of the Treasury.

THANK YOU for exposing the ACORN ties, Charles! And a conglomeration of activist groups, and if the pattern holds true, they are all related, self-pollinating groups, who self-endorse themselves and call themselves a “growing coalition.”

God help this nation if this is allowed to go on.

686 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:15:33pm

I think Code Pink has a bigger following:

A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers — are paying visits to the homes of American International Group Inc. executives in Connecticut to protest tens of millions in bonuses awarded by the company.

About 40 protesters parked at a cul-de-sac Saturday afternoon and walked to the Fairfield home of Douglas Polling. They were met on the curb by two security guards, and one activist read a letter detailing the financial struggles that many Connecticut residents have faced. The group then left the note in Polling’s mailbox.

On the other hand I think this group has more propensity for violence then Code Pink.

No reports of Giant Puppet Heads yet.

687 brookly red  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:15:56pm

re: #682 Piglet-U93

Only in the mind of TOTUS and the general clueless dhimmis.

When America leaves Iraq it will be: “Islam is as Islam does” my only regret will be the loss of US soldiers and the eventual slaughter of the Kurds and the obvious obliteration of all remaining non-Muslims.


Again, with all due respect, I disagree… you can not put the genie back in the bottle.

688 Colonel Panik  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:16:44pm

More from the article I linked above:

Once the Popular Unity’s policies that were specifically designed to woo the middle class away from the Christian Democrats failed, it is naïve to suppose that those Chileans caught in the middle would accept radical change without resistance when their living standards were going down rapidly, or that institutions such as the Catholic Church, the armed forces, congress and the judiciary would remain neutral as the democratic state was being destroyed. Especially when it was only a temporary tactic forced by the political circumstances. After all, Allende himself had confided to Regis Debray “that his differences with apostles of violence like Guevara were only ‘tactical,’ plus his admission that he was observing legality ‘for the time being,’ and his assertion that he had agreed to the Statute of Democratic Guarantees as a ‘tactical necessity’.” And his own Socialist Party, at its Congress in January 1971, had stated that “the special conditions under which Popular Unity came to power oblige it to observe the limits of a bourgeois state for now” and had warned its members to prepare for “the decisive confrontation with the bourgeoisie and imperialism.”

The parallels are ominous.

689 cominganarchy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:27:34pm

As I was watching the news this morning, I was asking myself, how long is it going to be before we start seeing “spontaneous” demonstrations organized by the government, like we see sometimes under totalitarian regimes? Looks like we’re getting scarily close…

690 rawmuse  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:35:34pm

Next thing you know, they’ll be rounding up people with eye glasses and sending them off to re education camps.

691 Carolina Kathy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:44:44pm

Charles, thanks for uncovering that ACORN funds this group; since we know that ACORN is the recipient of taxpayer funds, doesn’t that mean that WE are the ones paying for this crap?

.. and I thought I couldn’t feel sicker….

692 Roses  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:51:04pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Just found a video of Jon Green, Director Conn. Working Families
[Video]

Absolutely stunning. And they are so smooth, so able to say it all and make it sound so reasonable. If you’re only half paying attention - the easy rhetoric carries the day, the somnolent populace goes along, and it all happens in the blink of an eye. I’m chilled to the bone.

693 jimc  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:52:17pm

Even the far left is dumping on Obama…. I wonder if Obama isn’t already a “lame-duck” President?

694 Roses  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 2:57:18pm

re: #640 3 wood

The inmates at HuffPo are screaming about the leaked details of Geithners bank bail out plan.

And who do they want to punish for this problem?

Republicans.

Give us a link. Please.

695 soxfan4life  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:16:20pm

re: #693 jimc

Even the far left is dumping on Obama…. I wonder if Obama isn’t already a “lame-duck” President?

He’s at least a lame ass President

696 Roses  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #389 Killian Bundy

/it’d just be easier if they’d give him his own nightly prime time TV show

Doesn’t Chavez have his own show? You can bet Obama wants one, too, but it’s probably too much work. I say give it to him - people will get sick of him real, real fast.

The obots had their huge simultaneous orgasm on election day, now they really just wanna roll over and sleep, Bush is gone, O is in, in order to keep them ginned up he needs things like this AIG Hate-The-Rich Tour.

697 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:25:34pm

re: #690 rawmuse

Next thing you know, they’ll be rounding up people with eye glasses and sending them off to re education camps.

First it will be those with kippot.

698 LeePro  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:39:05pm

Coupla’ interesting points…

In the Wiki article linked at “Working Families Party” above, looks like the link to “executive director of the WFP… Dan Cantor, ” as well as the one to “powerful alliance… Dennis Rivera” have already been disappeared… both say “page does not exist.”

Also there is an alarming similarity between their agenda and “CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”

Take a few minutes to read the communist party link. It’s not long, and you will see some of these points already being enacted now!

699 SixDegrees  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:48:26pm

re: #236 Gretchen

Well put Mandy.

It is bad enough we’ve been collectively forced into investing in these companies, now the government who did the forcing is ensuring the ruin of the companies by vilifying them and the employees who worked for them. No one will want to work for these companies or do business with them and they’ll fail.

This is getting really frightening. We are screwed. Obama is now talking about capping all salaries of executives starting with the banks. Raise your hand if you think this will send companies packing to overseas locations.

I’ll ask again, does this mean we can drug test welfare recipients?

For what it’s worth, Nixon put wage and price controls in place. It was a disaster, and did nothing but make the inevitable inflation and economic downturn worse in the end. But it isn’t without precedent.

The biggest problem with AIG at the moment is that Obama and Congress have managed to vilify them so completely, and have raised public anger to such a fever pitch, that any further aid to them is now all but impossible, even if it were desirable. They have committed a cardinal sin of politics - they’ve painted themselves into a corner and removed all of their options. The have doomed AIG to failure, despite their claims that failure would be catastrophic, and we may now very well see the company enter into the bankruptcy it probably should have sought months ago. Except now, the taxpayer takes the fall, not just the shareholders. And whatever overwrought domino effect the collapse may bring, overstated or otherwise, will be every bit as bad as it would have been without the endless posturing and money shoveling that has taken place since last summer.

700 Ledger1  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:55:01pm

This is all about shifting of blame to others for Obama’s idiotic economic policies – which are loaded with pork for his cronies.

Obama is socialist instigator (and a race baiter). He uses his Presidential Bully Pulpit to attack his enemies. The more stupid economic disasters he manufactures the more he has to attack other individuals to take the spot light of his own failures. This will continue until he leaves office.

I would guess Obama will use race riots to intimidate his opponents – ether directly or by proxy. Nothing good will come from the Obama/Hillary Administration.

701 SixDegrees  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 3:58:51pm

re: #693 jimc

Even the far left is dumping on Obama…. I wonder if Obama isn’t already a “lame-duck” President?

He doesn’t need the fringe. What he needs now is the middle, which is far larger than the extreme Left and Right put together. And so far, the middle is giving him lots of support.

That support shows signs of dwindling, however. People vote their pocketbook more surely than any other issue, and there are a lot of empty, terrified pocketbooks out there these days.

But the public has a short memory, especially when times are good. When the economy turns around - and it will, probably fairly soon - Obama will claim credit, and the electorate will happily believe the claim.

Of course, there’s that looming deficit that’s been created - four times larger than anything ever seen in the past, and we aren’t even through the first quarter yet, with talk of even more deficit spending to come. That money - the majority of which won’t even be spent for four or five years - needs to be hauled back, and the laws authorizing it rescinded, or we’ll be paying the consequences for decades to come: reduced creditworthiness, laggard growth, a devalued currency and inflation gnawing away at savings for the foreseeable future.

702 Piglet-U93  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:03:56pm

re: #687 brookly red

Again, with all due respect, I disagree… you can not put the genie back in the bottle.

With all due respect, I disagree. The genie was set loose back about 612AD.

If I recall it right, the Iraqi constitution states that the laws of islam and Mohammad take precedence over any and all laws written in the constitution when such laws contradict the laws of Islam and Mohammad.

Therefore, I can only conclude, given the nature of islam, that Iraq will devolve into a Taliban like state after we leave. Albeit, it may take a few years.

703 Aviator  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:03:57pm

re: #666 3 wood

That’s part of the problem. All this populist posturing by Frank and Obama and company just made it almost impossible for Geithner’s plan to work. Nobody will take the risk of getting destroyed on camera in front of a Congressional hearing now.

Exactly. Bunch of folks don’t seem to understand that.

704 a5minmajor  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:09:30pm

In Colorado, we have the ‘Make My Day’ law. gunguys.com
I know the article in the link is opposed to the law, but most of us here love it.
Perhaps Connecticut can adopt a similar law in the next 24-48 hrs.


…..Just Sayin’

705 SixDegrees  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:37:43pm

re: #654 Killian Bundy

/gee, how many private equity firms do you figure will even think about participating in the program after all of last week’s display of asshattery?

Pretty damn close to zero. I believe the current number of takers who lined up for TARP funding last week pooled up to around…2% of what’s available. Bankers large and small are tripping over themselves to stay away from this poison, and those who’ve already taken it are rushing to pay it back. The stench that comes with it is just too strong to bear.

All of this implies, of course, that the “crisis” that’s being “solved” here was whipped up into a frothy exaggeration, at best, in the first place. It seems that the banks are going to be quite capable of managing their own way out of this mess, for the most part.

Meanwhile: what do you think the chances of rescinding the spending bill that made those funds available are, once it becomes clear that there aren’t going to be any takers?

706 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:43:07pm

re: #705 SixDegrees

Meanwhile: what do you think the chances of rescinding the spending bill that made those funds available are, once it becomes clear that there aren’t going to be any takers?

/um, zero?

707 Sheepdogess  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 4:49:37pm

I love you guys.
You are all my therapy.

708 Strike Hornet  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 6:06:44pm

re: #101 livefreeor die

Somehow going around on a bus hassling people who have more money than you do does not sound like “work” to me. Similarly, agitating in general does not qualify as work according to how I was brought up.

Reeducation camp for you….
/

709 Ateam  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #83 itellu3times

I know this stuff is over the top and being sponsored by raging lunatics, but this is what we invite when we allow executive pay to become an ongoing problem.

Let’s get some sunlight on the compensation levels in the finance industry, at least, and see what reasonable people think of the situation, how ‘bout that?

Then we can move on to the compensation packages for whatshisname who was head of the NYSE, or the head of Exxon a couple years back, and other headline cases.

OK, let me try to outline some kind of solution that is more market-oriented than outright government prohibitions and unconstitutional taxes. How about some kind of law that stipulates the distribution of compensation within a corporation? There are already laws like that related to 401k funding. OK, the laws are a major pain, but there is also some justice in them, that is aimed at the same kind of abuses we now see in the rest of the compenstation issues.

And all compensation levels above, say, $1m, must be a matter of public record for all corporations, and the totals must be confirmed annually by stockholders. I know this last really doesn’t work because so much stock is held by funds and in street name (and I don’t even vote most of the piddling shares I own in this and that), but hey, at least the mechanism is at least there.

So, let’s see, how would this affect, say, … Rush Limbaugh? Or George Cluney? Well, they aren’t the heads of 100,000 employee organizations. I suppose you’d want to exempt small companies … and then you get the fictions of big companies hiring small companies, as corporate deals are not personal deals. OK, I didn’t say it would be easy, but I think there might be something reasonable along these lines that would be workable. Maybe.

Think the same as U. As a right wing economist I hate greed & looting regular people in the name of free market and exec. contract, AIG like.

710 Sledgehammer  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 6:47:49pm

As much as I despise these leftist groups they have every right to protest and participate in civil disobedience to draw attention to their issue. Unfortunately, decent Americans don’t exercise their free speech rights as much as these leftists. Too many sit around and bellyache and won’t do anthing about it. And relax about how some one is going to get killed. There are more media at these events than protestors.

Grow some balls America!

711 Roses  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #698 LeePro

Coupla’ interesting points…

In the Wiki article linked at “Working Families Party” above, looks like the link to “executive director of the WFP… Dan Cantor, ” as well as the one to “powerful alliance… Dennis Rivera” have already been disappeared… both say “page does not exist.”

Also there is an alarming similarity between their agenda and “CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”

Take a few minutes to read the communist party link. It’s not long, and you will see some of these points already being enacted now!

Hope somebody took screenshots.

712 revvy  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:24:39am

Shoot me now - I LIVE in Connecticut.

713 azul93gt  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 11:10:24am

re: #102 Aviator
You’re the greatest, man!


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