At counterknowledge.com, Joseph Welch has gone several rounds with pod people from the “9/11 Truth” movement, and he winds up with a great post on an especially dishonest Troofer: 15 questions for truthers: a final response to Stewart Bradley.
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Sharmuta Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:12:01pm |
Troofers need to get with the times- the new trooferism is Nirtherism.
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Buster Bunny Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:12:51pm |
I know that now .. the only thing that will censor them is time. Because logic wont .. effort wont .. truth wont.
They will just die hard like all the JFK and moonites.
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rawmuse Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:13:08pm |
I am certain to have some contact with these types in my immediate future.
All hope of rational discussion is lost, IMHO.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:13:19pm |
I like that web site..thanks Charles..Bookmarked
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:17:09pm |
What your average troofer needs can be found on the following list:
1) less drugs
2) more drugs
3) Electro-convulsive therapy
4) Mega-doses of vitamin C (to off-set the LSD)
5) Deportation
6) Some time in the nervous hospital
7) A new hobby
8) A good ass-kicking
9) Something else to talk about
10) Fewer people supporting their delusional belief systems with shoddy, you-tube sourced “proof”
I could go on, but leave it to the Lizards to flesh out the list in greater detail.
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Dianna's Hart Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:17:18pm |
“Poddiness” might be a fun new descriptor.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:17:27pm |
I go with the simpler Maddox theory.
The fact that the Loose Changers and their ilk weren’t killed within hours of posting their theories and “proof” that a vast government conspiracy killed thousands of US citizens with no remorse pretty much is evidence in itself that no such conspiracy existed.
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DEZes Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:17:38pm |
Thats a long read, the troofers heads will explode.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:18:11pm |
re: #8 Dianna’s Hart
“Poddiness” might be a fun new descriptor.
Tinfoilery and/or tinfoolery have always been my favorites, but I’m adding poddiness to the rotation now.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:18:18pm |
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Dianna's Hart Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:18:30pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Your first karmic point on me, Lady.
Thank you!
I will now sign out until I find a good avatar.
Thank you!
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DEZes Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:18:57pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:19:47pm |
The mere act of debunking or confronting a conspiraloon become a conspiracy itself in the eyes of troffer. Hence, everything is a conspiracy to them.
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:20:34pm |
re: #16 DEZes
SOCK PUPPET!
Yep.
But she’s mine, all mine!
Ha! The joke gets better, the more I think about it, since a hart is a male deer.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:21:23pm |
Stupidity on troofer level should be a jail-able offense.
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Bloodnok Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:21:42pm |
re: #15 Dianna’s Hart
Thank you!
I will now sign out until I find a good avatar.
Thank you!
That’s okay. Absence makes the hart grow fonder.
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Salamantis Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:22:01pm |
re: #19 Dianna
Yep.
But she’s mine, all mine!
Ha! The joke gets better, the more I think about it, since a hart is a male deer.
I thought that maybe your male had gotten an account…
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:22:11pm |
re: #21 Bloodnok
That’s okay. Absence makes the hart grow fonder.
I thought is was “Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder”?
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DEZes Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:22:21pm |
re: #19 Dianna
Yep.
But she’s mine, all mine!
Ha! The joke gets better, the more I think about it, since a hart is a male deer.
So do you have to type with one hand when you use the puppet?
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Jetpilot1101 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:22:39pm |
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
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albusteve Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:22:52pm |
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Zimriel Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:23:23pm |
It’s a disgrace that this is still a topic of debate, and that popular bloggers are still taking these guys seriously.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:23:37pm |
re: #26 Jetpilot1101
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
There is already such a place - the Web.
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Salamantis Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:23:59pm |
re: #26 Jetpilot1101
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
There used to be such a place, but the Illuminati persuaded the Templars and Masons to buy it with Bilderberger money.
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:06pm |
re: #22 Salamantis
I thought that maybe your male had gotten an account…
He has one - he just doesn’t comment here, much. He prefers fighting over at Say Anything.
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brookly red Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:11pm |
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DEZes Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:12pm |
re: #27 albusteve
mine too…I booked it tho
Same here, I will read it when we have Ummm, bad weather.
Sorry Hoops, I just had to.;)
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Gus Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:23pm |
re: #26 Jetpilot1101
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
Uranus, the planet.
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:32pm |
re: #25 DEZes
So do you have to type with one hand when you use the puppet?
I hadn’t thought of that.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:24:59pm |
re: #31 Salamantis
There used to be such a place, but the Illuminati persuaded the Templars and Masons to buy it with Bilderberger money.
Dammit, Sal! What’s the point of us having Secret Societies when you go and blab about our doings?
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Buster Bunny Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:25:03pm |
re: #11 Dianna’s Hart
Do you recognize me?
The football looks familiar .. cant remember where I’ve seen it though.
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quickjustice Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:25:08pm |
I’d compare them to cockroaches, but I don’t want to defame a noble insect! ;-)
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Sharmuta Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:25:15pm |
re: #26 Jetpilot1101
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
The creation of such a world just for them would be viewed as a conspiracy on such a grand scale, they wouldn’t be able to cope with it. Conspiracy overload.
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Syrah Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:25:19pm |
re: #19 Dianna
Yep.
But she’s mine, all mine!
Ha! The joke gets better, the more I think about it, since a hart is a male deer.
Actaeon?
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:25:48pm |
re: #23 rightside
aren’t multiple accounts a no-no?
If you’re concealing them. Obviously, I’m not.
If Charles would prefer the account vanish, I have no problem with that. I just wanted a “silliness” account.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:26:00pm |
re: #36 Dianna
I hadn’t thought of that.
I dictate…my can opener actually pushes the buttons….pretty cool
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pink freud Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:26:17pm |
All, and especially you newbies:
If you haven’t yet, please consider signing the Murtha petition.
Current count: 24, 943
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drogheda Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:26:18pm |
re: #20 CapeCoddah
Stupidity on troofer level should be a jail-able offense.
Why bother? That would cost the taxpayers money not to mention it might throw a wrench in the troofer’s manifest destiny to receive Darwin awards.
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Salamantis Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:02pm |
re: #44 pink freud
All, and especially you newbies:
If you haven’t yet, please consider signing the Murtha petition.
Current count: 24, 943
I’m signature 36 hundred and something.
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albusteve Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:03pm |
re: #39 quickjustice
I’d compare them to cockroaches, but I don’t want to defame a noble insect! ;-)
everyone has a role in this life…even troofers
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:09pm |
re: #40 Sharmuta
The creation of such a world just for them would be viewed as a conspiracy on such a grand scale, they wouldn’t be able to cope with it. Conspiracy overload.
Damn! Look at Sharm there, going all meta on us!
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:12pm |
re: #38 Buster Bunny
The football looks familiar .. cant remember where I’ve seen it though.
I recognize Bun-Bun, too.
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Buster Bunny Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:12pm |
re: #42 Dianna
If you’re concealing them. Obviously, I’m not.
If Charles would prefer the account vanish, I have no problem with that. I just wanted a “silliness” account.
Sockpuppeting is bad manners. Its usually used to do stupid things.
No-one needs one unless its there to cause trouble.
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brookly red Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:34pm |
re: #39 quickjustice
I’d compare them to cockroaches, but I don’t want to defame a noble insect! ;-)
insects have wings no?
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:49pm |
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DEZes Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:27:55pm |
re: #46 buzzsawmonkey
I’m surprised nobody has used “Mr. Hand” as a sockpuppet name yet.
You have got to be a blast at parties.
Thats a compliment. ;)
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:29:55pm |
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brookly red Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:29:57pm |
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Salamantis Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:30:09pm |
Someone oughtta register a sock puppet named Lamb Chop:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com…]
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Dianna Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:31:03pm |
re: #51 Buster Bunny
Sockpuppeting is bad manners. Its usually used to do stupid things.
No-one needs one unless its there to cause trouble.
Please look at my (original) nic. Do you really think I’m out to cause trouble?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:31:50pm |
re: #58 Salamantis
Someone oughtta register a sock puppet named Lamb Chop:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com…]
And really..who could down ding aa puppet named lamb chop..
/The ultimate moby…undingable
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David Gillies Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:31:59pm |
Engaging in debate with Troofer loons is exactly like arguing with YECs. You can’t argue someone out of a position he didn’t argue himself into in the first place. Faith-based beliefs are not amenable to rational discussion.
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brookly red Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:32:45pm |
re: #46 buzzsawmonkey
I’m surprised nobody has used “Mr. Hand” as a sockpuppet name yet.
Funny but acording to the ACORN records there are no less than 19 M. Hands residing in the same bodega in my zip code… Hmmmmm.
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brookly red Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:33:31pm |
re: #59 Dianna
Please look at my (original) nic. Do you really think I’m out to cause trouble?
in a word, yes.
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eon Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:35:52pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I go with the simpler Maddox theory.
The fact that the Loose Changers and their ilk weren’t killed within hours of posting their theories and “proof” that a vast government conspiracy killed thousands of US citizens with no remorse pretty much is evidence in itself that no such conspiracy existed.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
This has been my standard argument vs. conspiracy theorists of all stripes for the last thirty-five years, going back to Watergate. Simply put, I ask them, “If you’re ‘knowledge’ is so dangerous to this ‘conspiracy’, why aren’t you dead yet?”
The usual response is revealing. It generally goes along the lines of “I’m so important that if anything happens to me, it will attract to much attention to ‘them’.” (There’s always a “them” in there somewhere, but generally not ants the size of Buicks.)
Plus the inevitable, “Somebody has the information, and if I’m ‘eliminated’, it goes to the Washington Post.” First of all, if they have the damning dope, why not immediately send it to the WaPO? (Woodward and Bernstein ring a bell? Anybody?) And second, if I were going to tweep somebody who “had the goods”, you can bet I’d take out whoever was holding their “insurance policy” first. (No, I’m not 007 or the Cigarette-Smoking Man, but then I didn’t get most of my ideas about law enforcement and intel work from TV, either.)
The trouble is, when you try to reason logically with someone like this, you usually find you’re dealing with a paranoiac with delusions of grandeur thrown in.
Arguing rationally with that sort of mindset is rather like King Canute having a “management conference” with the North Sea.
cheers
eon
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yesandno Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:36:14pm |
If I feel like it is true, what does logic have to do with it?
/
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CapeCoddah Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:36:38pm |
re: #45 drogheda
Why bother? That would cost the taxpayers money not to mention it might throw a wrench in the troofer’s manifest destiny to receive Darwin awards.
Peace and quiet is priceless.
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Buster Bunny Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:44:29pm |
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varmint Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:51:29pm |
sort of thought this was winding down. the local troofers in my life have been quiet the last year or so. and now seem sort of embarrassed when i mention the controversy.
one got married, and i think the wife smacks every time he brings it up.
the other got his private pilots license, and realized he’d be laughed off the flight line if he said anything.
guess it’s down to the hard core psychos now.
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gman Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:11:22pm |
His methodology can be described as adhering to the four D’s – dodge, distract, distort, and deny.
Reminds me of so many of our trolls.
Conspiracy theories are shelters for people abused by reality™
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LGoPs Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:16:05pm |
re: #26 Jetpilot1101
Is there a place we can send Young Earth Creationists, Troofers, and Nirthers where they can all engage in their grand conspiracy theories?
Can anyone design The Matrix for them where they can twist reality as they see fit and no one will complain?
Send ‘em to Berkeley, CA. Proof that California is the leading producer of nuts in the entire world…….
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debutaunt Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:28:47pm |
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yochanan Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:39:00pm |
re: #20 CapeCoddah
Stupidity on troofer level should be a jail-able offense.
MORE LIKE SEND UM TO THE RUBBER ROOM AT THE FUNNY FARM
SARC. as I am not the “ZERO’ on Leno.
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screaming_eagle Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:59:01pm |
I didn’t read the whole article. I’m guessing somewhere in the article it say “Fire CANmelt steel.
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David IV of Georgia Sun, Mar 22, 2009 4:39:53pm |
Somehow the conversation at work this week turned to what happened to the third building (WTC 7). The person who mentioned it did not seem to know the third building was WTC#7 nor that the fire department was told to let it burn. He was emphatic about steel not burning from jet fuel and seemed confused when I agreed as if somehow I conceded something. (Blacksmiths bend hot iron and steel in crazy ways without ever burning it.) He was completely confused when I spoke of the fourth building (St. Nicholas Orthodox Church) destroyed in the attack. There was a fourth building? He seemed much less sure of his “conspiracy” after talking with me. I was just glad I saved someone from a little stupidity.
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Egregious Philbin Sun, Mar 22, 2009 5:20:54pm |
Dennis Miller had a troofer caller the other night, he handled it quite well.
He asked the guy, if he really believed that his own government did such a terrible thing, why does he still live here?
If a troofer really believes the govt did it, then, if the have one shred of dignity, they need to leave this country they hate so much.
(ah, but a troofer with dignity? or a girlfriend? or a real job?…I’m dreaming.)
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docremulac Sun, Mar 22, 2009 5:37:43pm |
I know I’ve said this before so please bear with me since I think it’s the best refutation of the troofer idiots.
“If the government planted bombs in the twin towers, why complicate the plot with aircraft? Why not just say terrorists planted the bombs?”
I’ll try to only say that like once every six months or so.
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UncleSam Sun, Mar 22, 2009 6:20:05pm |
re: #80 docremulac
I know I’ve said this before so please bear with me since I think it’s the best refutation of the troofer idiots.
“If the government planted bombs in the twin towers, why complicate the plot with aircraft? Why not just say terrorists planted the bombs?”
I’ll try to only say that like once every six months or so.
Everyone knows that a good plot has to be really complicated or it’s just not a quality plot.
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dak Sun, Mar 22, 2009 7:21:07pm |
I especially dislike the truther assertation that NORAD was stood down. NORAD does not stand down. Ever. Being multinational, like the article says, Canada would have have to be part of the conspiracy.
On that day, in NORAD HQ in Colorado springs, the deputy was in charge because CINC NORAD was away. Who was the deputy? A Canadian. Yep, he is now the Commander of the Canadian Air Force (we call him CAS, chief of the air staff).
The CANR (Canadian NORAD Regin) HQ is in Winnipeg. All those guys would have had to be on it too.
Why am I wasting my time going through this….
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A.W. Mon, Mar 23, 2009 7:15:25am |
Let’s face it, any moron who is a truther for this long, is just stuck on stupid. They are beyond facts, beyond argument. So I would say, Charles, you should do this. Find the absolute best and most complete refutation possible. if necessary, write it yourself. Put a prominent link to it on the front page where truthers with some intelligence can find it. Then stop wasting your time with them. 99.9% are never going to be convinced. They are that thick headed.
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