‘Jihad Unspun’ Owner Kidnapped by Taliban

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The woman who used to run the anti-American, pro-jihad website “Jihad Unspun,” Beverly Giesbrecht (aka Khadija Abdul Qahar), has apparently been taken hostage by the Taliban in Afghanistan, where she went to film a documentary on the “Islamic resistance.” It could be a scam, of course; but if not, Giesbrecht may be about to get a final lesson in “Islamic resistance” from the pros: Taliban Threaten to Behead Pro-Taliban Canadian ‘Journalist’.

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416 comments
1 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:00pm

Ichabod Crane to the rescue.

2 Wishing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:12pm

Didn't I read somewhere that she had done this before?

3 opinionated  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:14pm

Read all about it in my new book.

"When bad things happen to scummy people"

4 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:36pm

I saw this last week, and there were some people saying that she has done this before as part of a "fund raising" technique for the Tahleeebahhn. Don't know if true or not.

5 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:37pm

Maybe she should have called a head for Reservations..

6 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:48pm

She will realize that being a supporter of the Taliban is not enough to overcome being a woman.

7 KingKenrod  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:39:54pm

Did she convert to Islam while in captivity?

8 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:20pm

I hope it's a scam.

9 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:22pm

has apparently been taken hostage by the Taliban in Afghanistan, where she went to film a documentary on the “Islamic resistance.”

If you go to bed with dogs...you'll wake up with fleas.

10 fish  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:23pm

Is it bad that I am not entirely certain how I feel about this?

11 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:29pm

Schadenfreude, my old friend
I've come to gloat with you again...

12 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:41pm

There's really not any sort of comment that could augment the headline of this story.


So,

.....

13 acwgusa  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:40:59pm

That karma things a bitch, isn't it, Beverly?

14 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:41:03pm

I'd rather people like this come to their senses over time, even though I know that's unlikey, than to be in the hands of sadistic animals like the Taliban.

15 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:41:20pm

re: #2 Wishing

Didn't I read somewhere that she had done this before?

Report on the Taliban or get kidnapped?

16 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:41:20pm

re: #9 Maximu§

has apparently been taken hostage by the Taliban in Afghanistan, where she went to film a documentary on the “Islamic resistance.”

If you go to bed with dogs...you'll wake up with fleas without a head.

17 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:42:18pm

Well, I don't want to wish harm on this mis-guided Fool, but it serves her right.

18 Kragar  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:42:31pm

How much will the ransom be for them to keep her?

19 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:43:25pm

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

20 godfrey  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:43:53pm

This time, the clue bat will have an edge.

21 opnion  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:23pm

You would take this as a scam , since she is samptico to the Taliban.
However they are not a paricularly stable group of guys & anything is possibel.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:32pm

What did she do to deserve this?
She get their goat or something?

23 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:33pm

If it's true, what a fool.

If it's a scam, truth be damned.

24 Wilderstad  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:34pm

My give a damn is busted.

25 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:37pm

My sympathy meter's not registering anything.

(tap, tap)

Nope. Zero.

26 Wishing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:44pm

What's a little extortion to ole Beverly?

27 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:44:57pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

What? Are you trying to start a war?

/;-P

28 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:04pm

It's bad news either way. If she's pulling one of those Giuliana Sgrena deals, she'll be held and someone will pay a ransom and it will be quite the show - all while funding the continued terrorism in Afghanistan, which means other people will be put at risk because of her wacky views and inane support for misogynistic Islamists.

If she's just an innocent who's been kidnapped, it's quite possible she'll never see the light of day because the Islamists will kill her on behalf of their misogynistic ways as a lesson to other women who might contemplate a future that doesn't involve being completely subservient to men. Even then, there's the possibility that NATO or Afghan forces will attempt a rescue, putting those soldiers in harm's way to save this woman's life.

Like I said; bad news.

29 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:05pm

I don't see why she would miss her head; she obviously hasn't been using it up till now.

30 joncelli  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:26pm

If it isn't a stunt -- a big "if," admittedly -- this qualifies as Ironic with a big "Iron." Or something.

31 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:33pm

I have a suspicion she'll be able to talk her way out of this one. She roots for them and gives them a good deal of support.

I will be somewhat surprised (only somewhat) if they give her the standard treatment.

32 opnion  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:35pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

Great idea & toss in two Barry Manilow CD's.

33 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:36pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

We'd have to pay them to take her.

34 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:41pm

I'm having a real hard time working up any pity for this useful idiot.

35 Wishing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:45:49pm

re: #15 jcm

Report on the Taliban or get kidnapped?

yes.

36 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #27 jcm

What? Are you trying to start a war?

/;-P

Helen of Troy - the face that launched a thousand ships.
Helen Thomas - the face that launched a thousand missiles.

37 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #6 karmic_inquisitor

She will realize that being a supporter of the Taliban is not enough to overcome being a woman.

Excellent comment.

38 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #32 opnion

Great idea & toss in two Barry Manilow CD's.

And some american classics on DVD from the wrong region.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:47:08pm

Trying to work up some concern.

Not working.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:47:13pm

I'd say that I couldn't give a flying f*ck, but it appears that now I can.

/don't worry, the link is not pr0n, just a dirty word

41 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:47:39pm

She may have smiled and it pissed them off.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #32 opnion

Please, not Barry.

43 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:08pm

Let's send Pelosi in her headgear to talk to them.

44 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:12pm

re: #41 HelloDare

She may have smiled and it pissed them off.

If they could see her face at all, yes.

45 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:41pm

No matter who or what she is, I sincerely hope she does not get murdered.

Yes, she's an idiot.

Yes, actions have consequences.

But it's still horrible.

46 Paul  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:49pm

Reminds me of a 70s issue of the National Lampoon where they threatened to shoot a dog if you didn't buy that month's copy.

47 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:48:56pm

Can't help but notice the market is up 6%.

God bless the resourcefulness of the American people.

God rot the Obama administration.

We will succeed in spite of them, not because.

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:49:18pm

(With sincere respect for those of my fellow Lizards who'll disagree)

After watching the video, I have no feelings of sympathy for her. None at all.

We cannot be protected from the choices we make, and she made hers.

She has made her bed, or her grave. Let her lie in whichever it turns out to be.

49 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #45 Dianna

we can pray that this experience surgically installs some sanity...

(think she'll make it? It'd take a miracle...)

50 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:50:04pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're probably right, but I still remember how my hands were cold and numb and shook after forcing myself to watch Nicholas Berg's murder.

51 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:50:06pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

shudder. . . ick

52 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:50:27pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

Oh Glorious Shaheed . . . your 72 virgins await!

53 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:50:36pm

re: #49 Querent

we can pray that this experience surgically installs some sanity...

(think she'll make it? It'd take a miracle...)

I don't know. I hope she does, simply because it's so horrible.

54 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #47 unreconstructed rebel

Can't help but notice the market is up 6%.

God bless the resourcefulness of the American people.

God rot the Obama administration.

We will succeed in spite of them, not because.

The markets are up because the American people were sold a pig-in-a-poke and are now proud owners of ginormous debt and bad assets, to boot. Banks, Wall St., other firms are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't have to deal with those crap-assets.

55 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:51:13pm

Eventually, it may dawn on our "enlightened ones" that the people they are so fond of (such as the Taliban) do not regard them as friends, allies, or bosom companions. Rather, they regard them as "useful idiots" whom the jihadists will be delighted to dispense with when they are no longer useful.

Rather like the socialists, Communists, etc., who helped Khomeini overthrow the Shah, and were promptly done in by Khomeini once he was in power.

And notoriety, VIP status, etc., is no guarantee of safety. Nor is the amount of time they have been allied with the "faithful". If they are not of the "true faith", specifically the jihadists' own particular sect thereof, it is only a matter of time before they become "surplus to requirements". For any of them who don't believe that, I'd suggest Googling "Abul-Hasan Bani-Sadr".

/Which Ms. Giesbrecht should have done first.

cheers

eon

56 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:51:16pm

I am distracted by the t's ad..........(think dammit, think)

57 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:51:43pm

re: #45 Dianna

Yes, actions have consequences.

She reminds me of Timothy Treadwell.

58 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:51:44pm

I have a message for the Taliban: Go ahead and Keep Her.

59 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(With sincere respect for those of my fellow Lizards who'll disagree)

After watching the video, I have no feelings of sympathy for her. None at all.

We cannot be protected from the choices we make, and she made hers.

She has made her bed, or her grave. Let her lie in whichever it turns out to be.

If fools rush in where angels fear to tread. . .let them fond their own way back. . .or maybe my babies will go get her sorry American hating ass. . .

60 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:03pm

re: #50 Dianna

You're probably right, but I still remember how my hands were cold and numb and shook after forcing myself to watch Nicholas Berg's murder.

I understand.

61 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:16pm

re: #52 gmsc

Oh Glorious Shaheed . . . your 72 virgins await!

Is Helen Thomas a virgin?
*Shudder passes through me*

62 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:20pm

re: #52 gmsc

Oh Glorious Shaheed . . . your 72 virgins await!

not even gonna look. . .nope would not be prudent. . .

63 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:21pm

#53
a Lizard never misses an opportunity to welcome an awakened fool back to sanity --

let's hope she survives, and forsakes the Dark Side now that she's seen what it's REALLY like.

(meanwhile, anyone for a cupcake?)

64 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:35pm

I still think it could well be fundraising theatre.

Lolcat version:

Send tunas or teh kitteh gets it.
sgnd, momcat.

65 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:41pm

She doesn't expect the Canadian military to risk their terrorists' lives for her, does she?

66 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:52:53pm

re: #54 Russkilitlover

The markets are up because the American people were sold a pig-in-a-poke and are now proud owners of ginormous debt and bad assets, to boot. Banks, Wall St., other firms are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't have to deal with those crap-assets.

Hey, the first Trillion Dollar Surplus didn't work out so well, we'll try another one!

Marxism - the politics of breaking eggs until you get an omelet.

67 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:00pm

re: #37 Bloodnok

Excellent comment.


ditto

68 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #62 DisturbedEma

not even gonna look. . .nope would not be prudent. . .

. . . not at this juncture?

69 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:07pm

re: #62 DisturbedEma

not even gonna look. . .nope would not be prudent. . .

I looked at the trap Ray. . .my eyes my eyes. . .

70 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #54 Russkilitlover

The markets are up because the American people were sold a pig-in-a-poke and are now proud owners of ginormous debt and bad assets, to boot. Banks, Wall St., other firms are breathing a sigh of relief that they didn't have to deal with those crap-assets.

You may be right. It will soon be no more that hyper-inflated bank notes.

/sigh

71 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:43pm

My first inclination is to think this is a scam. It's very hard to trust anyone who would support such a vile organization, after all. But it is a vile organization, and she may be getting a first hand lesson in how worthless they consider women, regardless of whether she's a supporter or not.

72 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:47pm

re: #65 Ben Hur

She doesn't expect the Canadian military to risk their terrorists' lives for her, does she?

No us, the U.S.

73 Korla Pundit  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:53:58pm

This would not be the first phony abduction of a pro-terrorist "journalist." Milking Western bleeding heart liberals via large ransom demands is a cheap and simple way of raising capital for your expensive military purchases.

It's also a great way of getting anti-American and pro-Islamist messages out via an overly credulous press when such radicals are "released."

And if by some long shot this isn't a fake, then may she live long enough to feel the impact of the floor when her head hits it.

74 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:54:22pm

Actually, if Obama serously wants to cut defense and still leave America protected he could do so by appointing Helen Thomas SecDef. The mere thought of her would cow our enemies.

75 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:54:27pm

Ironic, but I don't relish in it. Even this retched idiot does not deserve to be beheaded....Although I have little doubt that she will continue to blame American Imperialism for her treatment at the hands of these fanatics, even when the knife is at her throat.

76 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:54:27pm

re: #68 gmsc

. . . not at this juncture?

:)

77 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:54:36pm

We should try and rescue Beverly Giesbrecht because . . . um . . . er . . . well, . . . . due to the fact that . . . *clears throat*

78 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:54:37pm

re: #73 Korla Pundit

I agreed with everything except the last paragraph.

79 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:55:02pm

re: #65 Ben Hur

She doesn't expect the Canadian military to risk their terrorists' lives for her, does she?

If its not a scam - then yes, she does!

Something moonbats never grasp: they're free to do their idiotic stuff because you men and women are carrying the burden for them, sometimes paying the ultimate prize.
Which the moonbats don't value - except when their own sorry hide is threatened.

80 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:55:10pm

re: #66 jcm

Hey, the first Trillion Dollar Surplus didn't work out so well, we'll try another one!

Marxism - the politics of breaking eggs until you get an omelet.

Robert Mugabe got as far as the One Trillion Dollar note before the currency collapsed. I wonder how far Messiah will get?

81 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #77 gmsc

We should try and rescue Beverly Giesbrecht because . . . um . . . er . . . well, . . . . due to the fact that . . . *clears throat*


All of G-d's creatures are beautiful

Not her

No, not her. . .

82 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:55:37pm

re: #77 gmsc

We should try and rescue Beverly Giesbrecht because . . . um . . . er . . . well, . . . . due to the fact that . . . *clears throat*

Because she's still a human being?

83 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:55:54pm

re: #56 A Kiwi Infidel

I am distracted by the t's ad..........(think dammit, think)

What? Explain?

84 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:08pm

re: #82 Dianna

Because she's still a human being?

Has this been verified by a reliable source?

85 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:23pm

Did they beat her up, or is that how she looks normally?

86 MJ  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #19 LGoPs

Maybe we could exchange Helen Thomas for her?

How do you really know that isn't Helen Thomas?

87 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #80 unreconstructed rebel

Robert Mugabe got as far as the One Trillion Dollar note before the currency collapsed. I wonder how far Messiah will get?

Obama obama obama chaaaaaange it rearaaaaaaange it. . .obama obama. . . .

pretty far I think. . .

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:37pm

Bears are wonderful, peaceful creatures. They would never harm me. See? I'm going to walk right up to this bear and...

89 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:45pm

re: #84 gmsc

Has this been verified by a reliable source?

No. I'm going by available evidence.

Look, I don't like her. But...gah! It's a horror show.

90 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:56pm

re: #82 Dianna

Because she's still a human being?

So are my children fighting in that area. . .

91 P-DEX  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:56:57pm

Bet that whole cliche "giving aid and comfort to your enemies" is waxing a tad ironic now for ol' Bev. Wonder if she wishes she could be in Gitmo right about now. Three squares and a padded mat you can either lay on or pray on. Plus free cable.

I hope her head remains attached to her body. I really do.

92 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:02pm

I think there's a real chance it's a scam. If it's true, the irony is incredible. And for some reason I'm having a hard time generating any sympathy for her.

93 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #79 yma o hyd

If its not a scam - then yes, she does!

Something moonbats never grasp: they're free to do their idiotic stuff because you men and women are carrying the burden for them, sometimes paying the ultimate prize.
Which the moonbats don't value - except when their own sorry hide is threatened.

PIMF - ought to have been young men and women ...

94 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #77 gmsc

because that's what makes us different from (read: better than) them...

95 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:28pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

Bears are wonderful, peaceful creatures. They would never harm me. See? I'm going to walk right up to this bear and...


Ok Timothy Tredwell

96 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:34pm

re: #90 DisturbedEma

So are my children fighting in that area. . .

I know.

I don't like it.

But look at it this way: it's an opportunity to get rid of jihadis.

97 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:42pm

So she's a Canadian citizen who has dedicated her life to helping Islamic extremists who are actively killing Canadian soldiers. She traveled to Pakistan for the expressed purpose of being even more helpful to those same Islamic extremists, so that they could kill even more Canadians. Now she wants the Canadian government to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to those same extremists, for her release.

Is it a scam? Yes it is. That's my overwhelming impression. And if I were the Canadian government, I would be more than willing to sit back and let this one play itself out, so that I could find out for sure. I think it's a mistake to negotiate with terrorists under any circumstances, but especially this one.

98 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:57:46pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

Bears are wonderful, peaceful creatures. They would never harm me. See? I'm going to walk right up to this bear and...

....see if he's hibernating?

99 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:58:02pm

re: #80 unreconstructed rebel

Robert Mugabe got as far as the One Trillion Dollar note before the currency collapsed. I wonder how far Messiah will get?

American's are more uppity.

A little hyperinflation between now and '10 and the (D) won't see a majority in congress for another 10 years at least.

100 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #91 P-DEX

Bet that whole cliche "giving aid and comfort to your enemies" is waxing a tad ironic now for ol' Bev. Wonder if she wishes she could be in Gitmo right about now. Three squares and a padded mat you can either lay on or pray on. Plus free cable.

I hope her head remains attached to her body. I really do.


I hope no one DIES trying to save her ungrateful ass- I worry that she will go Helisinki and help her captors if anyone tries. . .

101 Devil's Advocate  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:58:19pm

I hate environmentalists!

Youtube Video
102 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #45 Dianna

No matter who or what she is, I sincerely hope she does not get murdered.

Yes, she's an idiot.

Yes, actions have consequences.

But it's still horrible.

I have to agree. People often make jokes about people "getting what they deserve", but no one deserves her potential fate. Her own decisions put her in this position, but it's still a cruel, inhumane fate.

103 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:58:55pm

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

104 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:08pm

re: #96 Dianna

I know.

I don't like it.

But look at it this way: it's an opportunity to get rid of jihadis.

A bargin with the devil. . .

105 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:13pm

The Talibs have always been pretty hard core. I think this is real. I hate to say it, but if I was a small unit leader over there and got the mission to launch a rescue attempt, I'm not sure if I would want to risk my guy's lives on this mission. She want over there on her own free will, she needs to live with the consequences of her decisions. Is this a pretty hard way of thinking about it? Yes, but I stand by it.

106 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:24pm

re: #101 Devil's Advocate

I hate environmentalists!


[Video]

The guy I'm sitting next to in my jury pool is an EPA lawyer... you want me to pass on any greetings?

107 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #103 Russkilitlover

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

No.

108 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #99 jcm

American's are more uppity.

A little hyperinflation between now and '10 and the (D) won't see a majority in congress for another 10 years at least.

As satsifying as that may seem, I am retiring soon & hyperinflation will not be my friend.

109 jorline  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:44pm

From Jawa Report.

So, if Beverly really was kidnapped by the Taliban and if she is about to be beheaded, how come nothing happened to Phil Rees? Presumably the Taliban would be more interested in killing an infidel who is sympathetic to their cause before they would want to kill a sister who is sympathetic to their cause?

110 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #103 Russkilitlover

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

yes -- and delivered by big mean dogsled team, in the brutal Afghan winter?

111 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:15pm

re: #102 Emerald

I have to agree. People often make jokes about people "getting what they deserve", but no one deserves her potential fate. Her own decisions put her in this position, but it's still a cruel, inhumane fate.

Yeah- good thing people like my boys are willing to risk their lives for people who would spit on them given half a chance. . .kind of like Oakland cops. . .RIP

112 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #104 DisturbedEma

A bargin with the devil. . .

Yes, it is.

I won't pretend my position's perfect. I just can't bear the thought of her head being sawn off.

113 Korla Pundit  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:28pm
All of G-d's creatures are beautiful

Not her

No, not her. . .

Hey, I'm just saying this whole thing is a cunning stunt. Don't read anything into that that isn't there.

114 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #108 unreconstructed rebel

As satsifying as that may seem, I am retiring soon & hyperinflation will not be my friend.

Lot people will get hurt by hyper-inflation, no doubt.

115 Barb42  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:39pm

Unfortunately, it will take more than a few horrific deaths for the left to get the idea that Islamic facists don't really like them either and being anti-American won't save a single one. Remember the fool who was walking around the world in a wedding dress 'for peace'. They killed her in Pakistan, I think. Morons are making women look stupid.....thanks a bunch, girls.

116 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #103 Russkilitlover

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

Yeah. Have Bernie Madoff deliver it.......
/

117 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:53pm

re: #79 yma o hyd

If its not a scam - then yes, she does!

Something moonbats never grasp: they're free to do their idiotic stuff because you men and women are carrying the burden for them, sometimes paying the ultimate prize.
Which the moonbats don't value - except when their own sorry hide is threatened.

People sleep soundly in their beds because rough men wait to do violence to those who would harm them.

I don't know the original source of the quote, but I most recently saw it in Ghost by John Ringo.

cheers

eon

118 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:00:55pm

re: #103 Russkilitlover

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

Not by anyone but her relatives. . .

119 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:11pm

re: #105 chicagodudewhotrades

The Talibs have always been pretty hard core. I think this is real. I hate to say it, but if I was a small unit leader over there and got the mission to launch a rescue attempt, I'm not sure if I would want to risk my guy's lives on this mission. She want over there on her own free will, she needs to live with the consequences of her decisions. Is this a pretty hard way of thinking about it? Yes, but I stand by it.

Doing a little sowing of what she was reaping, eh?

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:14pm

Anymore the on the letter to the Fwench?

121 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:17pm

Given her sympathy for the Jihadists, you'd think she would welcome death with open arms.

Of course that attitude would pretty much destroy the opportunity to extort money from Canada for her release.

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #82 Dianna

Because she's still a human being?

That's the only argument which might sway me, ... but those who are holding her would die.

/black flag

123 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #113 Korla Pundit

Hey, I'm just saying this whole thing is a cunning stunt. Don't read anything into that that isn't there.

No- it is a quote from a movie- Dream team. . .

124 jimc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:46pm

I know what she is thinking...
"How anti-American, pro-jihad do you have to be to NOT get beheaded around here?"

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:54pm

re: #112 Dianna

You are right. And good.

126 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:56pm

How about this angle: in the video, she appealed to the Pakistani government first, and to Canada second. The Pakistani government, of course, is basically just a front for Al Qaeda and the Taliban, which does a half-assed job at pretending to be otherwise, so that it can extort more money from the United States.

Could this be a hoax designed to facilitate a multimillion dollar "ransom" donation by Pakistan to the Taliban, in such a way that Pakistan won't offend the U.S. and can continue sucking money out of us in exchange for its illusory "cooperation"?

127 MJ  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:01:57pm

If true, and I doubt it, my reaction is about the same as when a Palestinian suicide bomber has a "work accident".

128 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:12pm

re: #117 eon

People sleep soundly in their beds because rough men wait to do violence to those who would harm them.

I don't know the original source of the quote, but I most recently saw it in Ghost by John Ringo.

cheers

eon

George Orwell. Homage to Catalonia.

129 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:22pm

re: #115 Barb42

Unfortunately, it will take more than a few horrific deaths for the left to get the idea that Islamic facists don't really like them either and being anti-American won't save a single one. Remember the fool who was walking around the world in a wedding dress 'for peace'. They killed her in Pakistan, I think. Morons are making women look stupid.....thanks a bunch, girls.

Oh I remember that. . .

130 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:31pm

re: #106 jcm

The guy I'm sitting next to in my jury pool is an EPA lawyer... you want me to pass on any greetings?

Yeah, ask him....when I'm recycling do I put my EPA lawyer in the blue garbage can or the brown one?

131 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:39pm
132 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:45pm

re: #28 lawhawk

To clarify - when I use the term innocent here, I'm referring to whether she is in some fashion conspiring with the terrorists who took her. She's hardly an innocent based on her anti-American and pro-Taliban sentiment in supporting jihad and the terrorists.

133 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:02:49pm

re: #106 jcm

The guy I'm sitting next to in my jury pool is an EPA lawyer... you want me to pass on any greetings?

Some CH4 while next to him couldn't hurt.

134 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's the only argument which might sway me, ... but those who are holding her would die.

/black flag

I don't actually see a down-side to that.

135 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:03pm

re: #115 Barb42

Unfortunately, it will take more than a few horrific deaths for the left to get the idea that Islamic facists don't really like them either and being anti-American won't save a single one. Remember the fool who was walking around the world in a wedding dress 'for peace'. They killed her in Pakistan, I think. Morons are making women look stupid.....thanks a bunch, girls.

She was murdered in Turkey, not Pakistan.

136 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:07pm

re: #130 LGoPs

the green one. EPA legal personnel are compostable.

137 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:17pm

Taliban Threaten to Behead Pro-Taliban Canadian "Journalist"

Looks like Beverly is "headed" for trouble

138 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:21pm

I am unsympathetic to this person.

139 shug  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:36pm

Befriending the taliban is like having pet killer bees.

Sooner or later, you get stung

140 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #113 Korla Pundit

Hey, I'm just saying this whole thing is a cunning stunt. Don't read anything into that that isn't there.

Don't write stuff like that to somebody who's dyslectic. ;)

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:54pm

re: #106 jcm

The guy I'm sitting next to in my jury pool is an EPA lawyer... you want me to pass on any greetings?

I'm ready to FedEx a hazmat suit to you, but I need an address for the courthouse.

142 Korla Pundit  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:56pm

You're right; we don't want her to suffer torture.

So we should rescue her the way James Cagney was rescued from it at the end of 13 Rue Madeleine.

143 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:03:57pm

re: #113 Korla Pundit

Hey, I'm just saying this whole thing is a cunning stunt. Don't read anything into that that isn't there.

That's you opinion, right, about it being a "cunning stunt?"

144 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #139 shug

But they were the "moderate" Taliban.

/

145 shug  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:23pm

Calling Jesse Jackson.
Calling Jimmy Carter.

hellllp

/

146 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:26pm

Hmmmmm Martyring herself for Allah or extorting 2m from Canada? Decisions decisions. Which choice would make her a better muslim? If she were in any real danger, she'd have been whacked long ago. The taliban don't make idle threats. They are whacking people left and right over there.

147 Dianna  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:36pm

re: #135 Alouette

She was murdered in Turkey, not Pakistan.

Thanks. I was searching, and hadn't found it.

148 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:49pm

re: #128 Dianna

George Orwell. Homage to Catalonia.

I thought so too, Wiki, for what it's worth...

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Alternative: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us."

In his 1945 "Notes on Nationalism", Orwell claimed that the statement, "Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf" was a "grossly obvious" fact. "Notes on Nationalism"

Notes: allegedly said by George Orwell although there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. They do bear some similarity to comments made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, when quoting from one of his poems. Orwell did write, in his essay on Kipling, that the latter's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." (1942)

"Yes, making mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep" - Rudyard Kipling (Tommy)

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." - Aaron Sorkin (A Few Good Men)
Alternative: "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill (miscellaneous quotation, no date)

149 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:53pm

re: #124 jimc

I know what she is thinking...
"How anti-American, pro-jihad do you have to be to NOT get beheaded around here?"

She will find out. . .

You know, in the corner of my heart I do not often admit to having- I am glad that someone like her has the chance to feel first hand what those they felt no pity for did before them. . .I LIKE it when they get the chance to see what it is like on the OTHER side of this issue, instead of the pontificate from my safe safe world. . .

Idiot that wanders into this without a clue is to be pitied- someone who willingly goes their to join them. . .on your own, bitch!

150 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:54pm

re: #121 Wendya

Funny how that is, huh?

151 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:04:58pm

re: #114 jcm

Lot people will get hurt by hyper-inflation, no doubt.

Is there any way to protect against hyper-inflation? Seriously.

152 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:05:19pm

On D.C. Streets, the Cellphone as Lifeline

Nice try by Wapo.

The Michelle pick is STILL moronic.

Smoke screen FAIL.

153 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:05:53pm

re: #151 LGoPs

Is there any way to protect against hyper-inflation? Seriously.

Own gold. (And hope like hell the Government doesn't steal it again.)

154 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:05:54pm

re: #135 Alouette

She was murdered in Turkey, not Pakistan.

was that by the mob. . .or was it just some guy? I cannot remember the details. . .

155 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:05:55pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

Bears are wonderful, peaceful creatures. They would never harm me. See? I'm going to walk right up to this bear and...

Sadly, this line of thinking applies to too many people. I've often wondered why people ignore obvious danger. I guess they've lived such a life of comfort, removed from any real dangers, they don't understand (or don't want to admit) that the world is not a safe place to play. Whether thinking bears are living teddy bears, to thinking terrorists are just misunderstood, they fail to see reality for what it is.

What's ironic is they typically think the real danger comes from the very people that protect them, in the form of the police, the military, or America in general.

156 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:05:56pm

For your own reasons turn into your bosoms. As dogs upon their masters
Henry V, Act II scene 2

157 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:12pm

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

That's you opinion, right, about it being a "cunning stunt?"

be careful saying that three times fast

158 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:13pm

'Jihad Unspun' Owner Kidnapped by Taliban; Market closes up almost 500 points, for 6.84% gain!

/What? Both are true!

159 okiej  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:21pm

Have you seen the latest on Obama's Teleprompter's Blog?
[Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.

160 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #158 gmsc

'Jihad Unspun' Owner Kidnapped by Taliban; Market closes up almost 500 points, for 6.84% gain!

/What? Both are true!

All around, a good day.

161 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:52pm

re: #141 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm ready to FedEx a hazmat suit to you, but I need an address for the courthouse.

Gal in front of me wis a Poly-Sci major and a Masters in Education. I'm such a bad person I had to suppress laughing when she said that.

162 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:06:55pm

re: #152 Ben Hur

Good lord. The homeless need their cellphones, twitter, bling, TVs ANYTHING TO GET OFF THE STREETS, MAN!

163 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:07:01pm

Bill Would Allow Texas School to Grant Master's Degree in Science for Creationism

Masters of SCIENCE in Creationism?

Eating pasta and anti-pasta at the same time?

164 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:07:33pm

re: #149 DisturbedEma


You know, in the corner of my heart I do not often admit to having- I am glad that someone like her has the chance to feel first hand what those they felt no pity for did before them. . .I LIKE it when they get the chance to see what it is like on the OTHER side of this issue, instead of the pontificate from my safe safe world. . .

You know she still blames Canada and the USA for her position. She's not going to be changed by this. The fault does not lie with those who would murder her but by those who didn't appease the murderers.

165 Tamron  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:07:42pm

OT:

CRITICISM MOUNTS, AS VATICAN DEFENDS POPE'S STAND ON CONDOMS

By Philip Pullella - Wed Mar 18, 2009

YAOUNDE (Reuters) - The Vatican on Wednesday defended Pope Benedict's opposition to the use of condoms to stop the spread of AIDS as scientists and countries including his native Germany criticized it as unrealistic and dangerous.

Benedict, arriving in Africa, said on Tuesday that condoms "increase the problem" of AIDS. The comment, made to reporters aboard his plane, caused a worldwide storm of criticism.


.

166 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:08pm

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anymore the on the letter to the Fwench?

Here ya go. Basically, there's nothing to see here. Former French president and notable pro-terrorist piece of shit Jacques Chirac now has some sort of foundation that does charitable stuff, and he had written to Obama in that capacity. Obama wrote back saying it would be nice to work with Chirac's foundation. That's all. Sarkozy wasn't snubbed, and he wasn't upset.

167 Querent  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:18pm

re: #164 Wendya

sad but true.
(score one epic fail for idealism...)

168 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:19pm
169 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #161 jcm

Gal in front of me wis a Poly-Sci major and a Masters in Education. I'm such a bad person I had to suppress laughing when she said that.

heh!

170 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:28pm

re: #157 Desert Dog

be careful saying that three times fast

Which is what I think the "jerk" was up to. I thought Charles didn't let 3 year old on the blog. Reverse those two letters if you want the real meaning that he/she/it was trying to impart.

171 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:41pm

Just as when you lay down with dogs you rise up with fleas...so goes that if you are a woman and you befriend misogynistic psychopaths, you may lose your head for your troubles.

Naivete can sometimes teach a hard lesson.

172 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #111 DisturbedEma

Yeah- good thing people like my boys are willing to risk their lives for people who would spit on them given half a chance. . .kind of like Oakland cops. . .RIP

I mentioned in another post that these nuts blame the very people who keep them safe. They're completely disconnected from the real world. It's impossible to argue with them, because they refuse to believe that there is any virtue to the work these groups do. But they're also the ones most likely to need the help of those same groups, because of their distorted view of what is safe.

173 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #163 Ben Hur

pasta and anti-pasta

Do they annihilate each other?

174 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:08:55pm

re: #159 okiej

Have you seen the latest on Obama's Teleprompter's Blog?
[Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.


I cannot believe that that "flap" isn't making international headlines!

175 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:03pm

re: #159 okiej

Have you seen the latest on Obama's Teleprompter's Blog?
[Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.

I'd love to know is behind that blog. There's enough sarcasm and snark there to last for quite some time.

176 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #145 shug

Calling Jesse Jackson.
Calling Jimmy Carter.

hellllp

/

Now THAT is the best idea I've seen yet. Send them both over to the Taliban. This one oughtta take at least two or three years of serious negotiatin'.

177 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:11pm

re: #159 okiej

Have you seen the latest on Obama's Teleprompter's Blog?
[Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.

I saw that news yesterday. I'd love it if Sarkozy replied, "I appreciate your kind note, and look forward to working with you over the coming years as well, Mr. Bush."

178 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:22pm

re: #37 Bloodnok

Thanks. A very sad truth.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:26pm

re: #166 Last Mohican

Here ya go. Basically, there's nothing to see here. Former French president and notable pro-terrorist piece of shit Jacques Chirac now has some sort of foundation that does charitable stuff, and he had written to Obama in that capacity. Obama wrote back saying it would be nice to work with Chirac's foundation. That's all. Sarkozy wasn't snubbed, and he wasn't upset.

I knew it! I learned the 72 hour rule from Walter (I think).

Thanks!

180 so.cal.swede  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:29pm

re: #165 Tamron

OT:

CRITICISM MOUNTS, AS VATICAN DEFENDS POPE'S STAND ON CONDOMS


.


Urgh. Didn't Benetict at some point say that condoms were a good thing in Africa because it saves more lives than it would prevent, or some rather explanation? what ever happened to that?

181 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:31pm

A long long time ago, when Google was smaller, they had a Jihad Unspun article at the top of their news list. I wrote them and asked why they were allowing terrorist views to be promoted on Google. Someone actually replied to me explaining that they had no opinion and it was computer algorithms that determined what was listed.

I replied asking if it was not people who wrote algorithms and if that meant Google did not consider itself part of our society.

I did not hear back again, but I don't recall seeing more of their crap on news.google.

Who knows, maybe they listened?

182 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:34pm

re: #173 unreconstructed rebel

Do they annihilate each other?

Let's just say, I wouldn't try it.

183 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:43pm

re: #151 LGoPs

Is there any way to protect against hyper-inflation? Seriously.

Yes, but unfortunately the people in charge seem intend on bringing it about.

Personally? With sounding Y2K'ish or end of the world, in the short term have supplies stocked up. Hard assets that will be tradable, a skill that can bartered for goods.

Long term the only thing is a redirecting government.

184 korla pundit  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:09:59pm
Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.

Why everybody knows it's me. Napoleon!

185 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:10:15pm

re: #161 jcm

Gal in front of me wis a Poly-Sci major and a Masters in Education. I'm such a bad person I had to suppress laughing when she said that.

Like I said, some CH4 along with some H2S should do the trick.

186 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #173 unreconstructed rebel

Do they annihilate each other?

Perfect diet eat one, then the other obliterates any calories consumed!

187 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #177 gmsc

I saw that news yesterday. I'd love it if Sarkozy replied, "I appreciate your kind note, and look forward to working with you over the coming years as well, Mr. Bush."

A great updingable idea, we can have two parallel universes, Fantasia and Productovia.

188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:12pm

re: #154 DisturbedEma

was that by the mob. . .or was it just some guy? I cannot remember the details. . .

I think she was picked up by some psycho while hitchhiking. Truly tragic, but monumentally clueless.

189 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:23pm

re: #186 jcm

Perfect diet eat one, then the other obliterates any calories consumed!

If only that were true. I'd be skinny.

190 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #165 Tamron

OT:

CRITICISM MOUNTS, AS VATICAN DEFENDS POPE'S STAND ON CONDOMS

.

Somebody get him off of those! He's an older man, and he might slip and fall.

191 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:47pm

re: #102 Emerald

But she's helping the same people who have been doing these horrific beheadings. She's given them aid and comfort through her propaganda. She went to that area to help them by making more propaganda for these evil murderers. So if they do behead her, they are essentially beheading one of their own. It's still cruel and horrific, but I think I'll save my sympathies for the true innocent victims of her "buddies."

192 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:11:48pm

re: #185 Honorary Yooper

Like I said, some CH4 along with some H2S should do the trick.

I see me trying to explain the bottles at the security check point.........

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:12:36pm

re: #192 jcm

Hope you at least get an interesting case.

194 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:12:51pm

re: #191 Land Shark

And she specifically went to Pakistan to try to help the people for whom she's now publicly asking for money. If this isn't a scam, I'll be surprised.

195 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:12:52pm

re: #186 jcm

Perfect diet eat one, then the other obliterates any calories consumed!


Sounds like the Congressman a couple of threads back who explained how more debt balanced the budget.

196 pegcity  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:13:09pm

i will play the worlds smallest violin in her honour.

197 Athos  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:13:31pm

re: #155 Emerald

You've touched on the real issue - there are some people (too many unfortunately) who see the world and things as they want to see them - not as they are. They are so fully indoctrinated in the evil of the Western Civilization, that they don't believe evil exists anywhere else - and as long as one is nice and friendly - they will be safe.

Unfortunately, evil does exist and it exists everywhere. Evil will not care if you are good or nice or with happy hopeful thoughts - evil will rise up and bite your ass if you let it.....and by not standing ready to expose evil, to fight evil, you are letting it.

That is the hole in these 'heaven on earth' or 'utopia on earth' philosophical / political ideologies - they ignore a lot of human nature and ices like greed, addiction to power, willingness to use violence to obtain what they desire - in the naive approach that others don't have ambititons and goals - they only react to our steps. And liberals call conservatives arrogant.....

198 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:12pm

re: #172 Emerald

I mentioned in another post that these nuts blame the very people who keep them safe. They're completely disconnected from the real world. It's impossible to argue with them, because they refuse to believe that there is any virtue to the work these groups do. But they're also the ones most likely to need the help of those same groups, because of their distorted view of what is safe.


Bill Ayers called the cops on Fox News reporters. . .such a putz!

199 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:17pm

I wouldn't have shed a tear if Al Qaeda had beheaded Adan Gadahn, either.

200 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:18pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I knew it! I learned the 72 hour rule from Walter (I think).

Thanks!

I thought it was the 24-hour rule. Are we getting more responsible around here?

201 Tamron  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #132 lawhawk

To clarify - when I use the term innocent here, I'm referring to whether she is in some fashion conspiring with the terrorists who took her. She's hardly an innocent based on her anti-American and pro-Taliban sentiment in supporting jihad and the terrorists.


Yup, they're conspiring to make a fresh new attack on the evil Caterpillar Equipment Company.
.

202 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:55pm

re: #198 DisturbedEma

Bill Ayers called the cops on Fox News reporters. . .such a putz!

Those were some of the cops that he hadn't managed to murder, although he still wishes he had.

203 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:14:57pm

Was Obama responding to a letter from Chirac?

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #196 pegcity

Can you do it while riding the smallest bicycle?

205 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #197 Athos

You've touched on the real issue - there are some people (too many unfortunately) who see the world and things as they want to see them - not as they are. They are so fully indoctrinated in the evil of the Western Civilization, that they don't believe evil exists anywhere else - and as long as one is nice and friendly - they will be safe.
.

Worshipers of Bobby Kennedy, the Joe McCarthy trained hatchet man of the Kennedy clan.

206 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:07pm

Err...Adam Gadahn...pimf

207 avanti  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:10pm

re: #177 gmsc

I saw that news yesterday. I'd love it if Sarkozy replied, "I appreciate your kind note, and look forward to working with you over the coming years as well, Mr. Bush."

I thought that was corrected, the report had it wrong.

208 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:12pm

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hope you at least get an interesting case.

We're half way through voir dire, then this afternoon the attorneys start tossing prospective jurors.

209 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #188 Alouette

I think she was picked up by some psycho while hitchhiking. Truly tragic, but monumentally clueless.

I think I remember that forboding feeling of horribly ironic death when I read that. . .very sad. . .

210 Athos  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:18pm

re: #162 WriterMom

Good lord. The homeless need their cellphones, twitter, bling, TVs ANYTHING TO GET OFF THE STREETS, MAN!

But will the homless be allowed to buy a plasma TV in CA?
Apparently not. ACLU outrage in 5,4,3,2,.......

211 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:15:24pm

re: #197 Athos

You've touched on the real issue - there are some people (too many unfortunately) who see the world and things as they want to see them - not as they are. They are so fully indoctrinated in the evil of the Western Civilization, that they don't believe evil exists anywhere else - and as long as one is nice and friendly - they will be safe.

Unfortunately, evil does exist and it exists everywhere. Evil will not care if you are good or nice or with happy hopeful thoughts - evil will rise up and bite your ass if you let it.....and by not standing ready to expose evil, to fight evil, you are letting it.

That is the hole in these 'heaven on earth' or 'utopia on earth' philosophical / political ideologies - they ignore a lot of human nature and ices like greed, addiction to power, willingness to use violence to obtain what they desire - in the naive approach that others don't have ambititons and goals - they only react to our steps. And liberals call conservatives arrogant.....

Exactly.

This chick's hatred for the US/Canada is her motivation. NOT her support for the Taliban or any other Islamic terror group. She NEEDS the Taliban to be good, unless her ideological theories of the West being evil, FAIL.

212 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:16:13pm

re: #200 Last Mohican

I thought it was the 24-hour rule. Are we getting more responsible around here?

CHANGE you can really believe in. . .
here at the Change You Can Really Believe Inn. . .:)

213 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:16:13pm

re: #192 jcm

I see me trying to explain the bottles at the security check point.........

Bottles nothing. Just go to Taco Bell beforehand.

214 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:16:44pm

re: #155 Emerald


What's ironic is they typically think the real danger comes from the very people that protect them, in the form of the police, the military, or America in general.

Anybody tried to buy ammunition, of any kind, lately? //

215 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #188 Alouette

I think she was picked up by some psycho while hitchhiking. Truly tragic, but monumentally clueless.

You just can't save people from their own stupidity.

216 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #213 Honorary Yooper

Bottles nothing. Just go to Taco Bell beforehand.

That'll get me a contempt citation!

217 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:17:48pm

re: #211 Ben Hur

Exactly.

This chick's hatred for the US/Canada is her motivation. NOT her support for the Taliban or any other Islamic terror group. She NEEDS the Taliban to be good, unless her ideological theories of the West being evil, FAIL.

Do you know the normal usage of the word "chick"? Have you seen her picture? //

218 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:18:16pm

re: #159 okiej

Have you seen the latest on Obama's Teleprompter's Blog?
[Link: baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com...]

Seems that the O doesn't know who the current leader of France is.

Now you know why we seemed so unprepared for our meeting two weeks ago with Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Great Britain. We were expecting Tony Blair, and had all this really cool personalized stuff for him, but we couldn't very well give those gifts to Brown. It would've been rude, so we just gave him crap from the Smithsonian gift shop.

har.

219 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #203 HelloDare

Was Obama responding to a letter from Chirac?

Does not matter, false defense here.

Protocol demands that first you communicate with the current President and when writing to a former President you mention their current status and note that in addition to working with the current President you hope that you will be able to work with the former president on those issues that their favorite charity is doing such worthy work on, blah blah blah.

If a new head of state wrote first to Jimmy Carter it would be an insult.

220 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:18:39pm

re: #208 jcm

We're half way through voir dire, then this afternoon the attorneys start tossing prospective jurors.

Ha. The only reason I even know how to pronounce that term is because I watched My Cousin Vinny......
Who says TV makes you stupid?
Nyuk, nyuk.

221 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:18:48pm

re: #214 Naso Tang

Anybody tried to buy ammunition, of any kind, lately? //

These guys had stock of .40 and 7.62x51NATO a couple weeks ago, good pricing, prompt shipping. A couple other lizards have used them.

222 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:19:00pm

re: #215 Wendya

You just can't save people from their own stupidity.

Actually hitchhiking is pretty common still. . .over in Europe and other places other than here. . .

223 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:19:02pm

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

224 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #217 Naso Tang

Do you know the normal usage of the word "chick"? Have you seen her picture? //

LOL!

225 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:19:45pm

If the German woman expects German troops in Afghanistan to rescue her, she's really doubly hosed, as the German NATO troops get to drink tons of beer--in a moslem country-- and stay safe in their little bases.

226 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:19:52pm

This story is kinda like that Treadwell guy that lived with the Grizzlies up in Alaska. He admired them, he loved them, but in the end, they acted like Grizzlies, and ate him.

To the black hooded goons running the Taliban, she is a woman. Women are subhuman, not worthy to speak to, below men. They may have been willing to use her to further their goals, but in the end, they are acting like the Taliban.

I am certain this lady know about Taliban's version of Islam, and especially about how women are supposed to act in their society. If she really wanted to fit in, she would have been dressed head to toe in a burkha and should have STFU.

If this is just a publicity stunt, she better hopes she gets out of there with her head still attached.

227 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:02pm

1
-

228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:06pm

re: #214 Naso Tang

Anybody tried to buy ammunition, of any kind, lately? //

No problems finding what I need in suburban (to DC) Maryland and Virginia.

229 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:06pm
230 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #227 MandyManners

1
-

2

231 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:26pm

re: #212 DisturbedEma

CHANGE you can really believe in. . .
here at the Change You Can Really Believe Inn. . .:)

Hey, what a great name for a hotel!

After you check in, they retroactively raise the rates by 90%.

232 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:42pm

O/T

Well, it's official. The stuff you breathe out is now a poison gas.
EPA calls Co2 a threat to public

233 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:53pm

Now that Soros has taken care of Bush, he's setting his sights on the new Israeli administration.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

The always idiotic YNET using a J-STREET poll.

234 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:54pm

re: #197 Athos

You've touched on the real issue - there are some people (too many unfortunately) who see the world and things as they want to see them - not as they are. They are so fully indoctrinated in the evil of the Western Civilization, that they don't believe evil exists anywhere else - and as long as one is nice and friendly - they will be safe.

Unfortunately, evil does exist and it exists everywhere. Evil will not care if you are good or nice or with happy hopeful thoughts - evil will rise up and bite your ass if you let it.....and by not standing ready to expose evil, to fight evil, you are letting it.

That is the hole in these 'heaven on earth' or 'utopia on earth' philosophical / political ideologies - they ignore a lot of human nature and ices like greed, addiction to power, willingness to use violence to obtain what they desire - in the naive approach that others don't have ambititons and goals - they only react to our steps. And liberals call conservatives arrogant.....

Defying gravity and maintaining 98.6 degrees on a planet that is at best indifferent, at worst openly hostile, is and always will be a struggle. And it's nobody's fault.

235 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:20:55pm

re: #220 LGoPs

Ha. The only reason I even know how to pronounce that term is because I watched My Cousin Vinny......
Who says TV makes you stupid?
Nyuk, nyuk.

LOL!

I was surprised more people weren't insulted by the introductory briefing this morning.

Don't they teach civics anymore.

236 Code Red 21  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:03pm

Poetic justice keeps going through my brain while reading about Jihad Beverly.

237 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:13pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

If this is just a publicity stunt, she better hopes she gets out of there with her head still attached.

I'd say it's more of a fundraising operation than a publicity stunt.

238 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:16pm

re: #231 Last Mohican

Hey, what a great name for a hotel!

After you check in, they retroactively raise the rates by 90%.

Hey, but would people actually go for that. . .oh WAIT sure they would. . .:)

239 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:21pm

re: #232 astronmr20

O/T

Well, it's official. The stuff you breathe out is now a poison gas.
EPA calls Co2 a threat to public

Beatcha by 4 posts.

Now STOP BREATHING, DAMMIT!

240 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:27pm

re: #198 DisturbedEma

Bill Ayers called the cops on Fox News reporters. . .such a putz!

But... but... that's the man?

//

241 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #239 Occasional Reader

Beatcha by 4 posts.

Now STOP BREATHING, DAMMIT!

What if I sit by a plant? What if I plant some strawberries?

242 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:00pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

I predict $10 cans of Coke.

243 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:15pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

I better start carrying around my plants wherever I go to offset my "polluting". Either that or have my copy of "An Inconvenient Truth" at the ready should any EPA Brownshirts come by with a CO2 meter.

244 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:22pm

re: #231 Last Mohican

Hey, what a great name for a hotel!

After you check in, they retroactively raise the rates by 90%.

And you find out all the stuff you thought was "free" is really paid for by "taxes" they add to the room rate.

245 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:29pm

re: #210 Athos

But will the homless be allowed to buy a plasma TV in CA?
Apparently not. ACLU outrage in 5,4,3,2,.......

* **
I don't blame them! Practically homeless Octomom got eight kids for "free" at taxpayer expense.

Plasma tvs for homeless people are cheap by comparison.

246 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:45pm

re: #230 LGoPs

2

3

247 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:49pm

re: #235 jcm

LOL!

I was surprised more people weren't insulted by the introductory briefing this morning.

Don't they teach civics anymore.

Here's something to depress you: In the instructional video for DC jurors, they refer to "voir dire", and cheerfully define it as "Latin for, 'to tell the truth'".

Uh, no.

248 avanti  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:58pm

re: #219 lifeofthemind

Does not matter, false defense here.

Protocol demands that first you communicate with the current President and when writing to a former President you mention their current status and note that in addition to working with the current President you hope that you will be able to work with the former president on those issues that their favorite charity is doing such worthy work on, blah blah blah.

If a new head of state wrote first to Jimmy Carter it would be an insult.

I agree, but he was just responding to a letter FROM the former President, nothing to get upset over IMHO.

249 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:22:59pm

re: #240 DaddyG

But... but... that's the man?

//

yep. . . except when scary threatening reporters show up. . .

250 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:23:01pm
251 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:23:02pm

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

3

3.1415926...

252 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

Great, we've gone from a Clinton, who had problems with inhaling, to 0bama, who has problems with exhaling.

253 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #244 Kosh's Shadow

And you find out all the stuff you thought was "free" is really paid for by "taxes" they add to the room rate.

I think we may be ON to something here. . .just in time for the summer vacay season. . .

254 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:01pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

For an encore they will rule that nitrogen is a pollutant that must be excluded from our air.

////////?

cheers

eon

255 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #225 alegrias

If the German woman expects German troops in Afghanistan to rescue her, she's really doubly hosed, as the German NATO troops get to drink tons of beer--in a moslem country-- and stay safe in their little bases.


This is a great morale booster for the French, who are now respected by Red State Americans as better warriors and better allies than the Germans. Obama insults Sarkozy, French can outfight Germans, it is bizzaro world.

256 Bobblehead  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:06pm

OT...Teleprompt Me, Baby

Take your time an scroll through all of the photoshops. LOL!

257 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:31pm

re: #251 EmmmieG

3.1415926...

Can I have my slice of that as pecan?

258 SaracensAtTheGates  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:32pm

Call their bluff. Either way it's a win-win. If they saw her head off then her website becomes a permanent testament to the perfidy of Islam. If it's a scam, then we haven't paid a penny nor risked any of our soldier's lives.

My suspicion is that the Taliban have discovered that she is a CIA operative with a Hellfire homing RFID chip embedded in her brain and that the only way to save themselves is to neutralize the chip by disconnecting it from its power source in her chest.

259 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #251 EmmmieG

3.1415926...

...535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094...

260 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

What? Explain?

Its gone.......into the ether........whew

261 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:25pm

re: #251 EmmmieG

3.1415926...

Shut your Pi hole......
/ *just kidding* :)

262 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:29pm

re: #239 Occasional Reader

Beatcha by 4 posts.

Now STOP BREATHING, DAMMIT!

Bill Clinton didn't inhale, now all I need is someone who didn't exhale to buy an offset from.

263 MJ  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:30pm

re: #233 Ben Hur

Now that Soros has taken care of Bush, he's setting his sights on the new Israeli administration.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

The always idiotic YNET using a J-STREET poll.

My informal poll of American Jews indicates that 95% of them believe that Avigdor Lieberman is Joe Lieberman's brother and that the same percentage think M.J. Rosenberg is a Kapo.

264 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:30pm

re: #231 Last Mohican

Hey, what a great name for a hotel!

After you check in, they retroactively raise the rates by 90%.

* * * *
and the Innkeeper is Obama Fawlty.

265 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:25:34pm

re: #259 gmsc

...53589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820 97494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214 80865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811 17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 81097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564 85669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245 87006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892 5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094...

Uncle.

266 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:03pm

re: #259 gmsc

Show off.

267 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:18pm

re: #153 unreconstructed rebel

Own gold. (And hope like hell the Government doesn't steal it again.)

Do you know if the last time they pulled those shenanigans if they also seized silver as well?

268 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #106 jcm

The guy I'm sitting next to in my jury pool is an EPA lawyer... you want me to pass on any greetings?

tell him to stop producing CO2..... he's causing global warming.

269 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #265 EmmmieG

Uncle.

Nooo. don't give in that easy. Rent some time on the Cray Supercomputer and stick it to him.

//

270 Wendya  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #222 DisturbedEma

Actually hitchhiking is pretty common still. . .over in Europe and other places other than here. . .

A woman alone hitchiking through Turkey wearing a wedding dress to show the world the kindness and goodness of strangers is going to do exactly the opposite.

271 Mirage  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:46pm

re: #235 jcm

LOL!

I was surprised more people weren't insulted by the introductory briefing this morning.

Don't they teach civics anymore.

I don't believe they do anymore ... sad as that is ... and it explains why the people that get elected got elected.

272 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:46pm

re: #223 Occasional Reader

OT:

Everyone stop breathing immediately.

You have been warned.

That is all.

Did anybody tell the plants?

273 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #255 lifeofthemind

This is a great morale booster for the French, who are now respected by Red State Americans as better warriors and better allies than the Germans. Obama insults Sarkozy, French can outfight Germans, it is bizzaro world.

Military lizards, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the French have been (in general) better warriors than the Germans for the last couple of decades, at least. IIRC they were ranked a pretty solid #2 after the UK in terms of European NATO strength.

274 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:26:58pm

Sorry, Walter, for the delayed response, I have been distracted this morning, daughter's car was broken into while she was at ball-room dancing last night. We do live in a lovely city but, unfortunately, like most places we have our share of arseholes.

275 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

This story is kinda like that Treadwell guy that lived with the Grizzlies up in Alaska. He admired them, he loved them, but in the end, they acted like Grizzlies, and ate him.

To the black hooded goons running the Taliban, she is a woman. Women are subhuman, not worthy to speak to, below men. They may have been willing to use her to further their goals, but in the end, they are acting like the Taliban.

I am certain this lady know about Taliban's version of Islam, and especially about how women are supposed to act in their society. If she really wanted to fit in, she would have been dressed head to toe in a burkha and should have STFU.

If this is just a publicity stunt, she better hopes she gets out of there with her head still attached.

Beverly Burqawell

276 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:03pm

re: #259 gmsc

...53589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820 97494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214 80865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811 17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 81097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564 85669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245 87006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892 5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094...

Cool program. In a million years or so we might see the message from God. (Contact/Sagan)

277 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #258 SaracensAtTheGates

Call their bluff. Either way it's a win-win. If they saw her head off then her website becomes a permanent testament to the perfidy of Islam. If it's a scam, then we haven't paid a penny nor risked any of our soldier's lives.

My suspicion is that the Taliban have discovered that she is a CIA operative with a Hellfire homing RFID chip embedded in her brain and that the only way to save themselves is to neutralize the chip by disconnecting it from its power source in her chest.

Shhhhhh careful or next you will divulge the secret homing chips that the CIA implanted in all the AP stringers.

278 Rexatosis  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:21pm

For many "perception is reality," until reality disabuses them of that notion.

279 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:41pm

If it's real, why can't I experience a little schadenfreude?

280 jcm  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:27:49pm

re: #247 Occasional Reader

Here's something to depress you: In the instructional video for DC jurors, they refer to "voir dire", and cheerfully define it as "Latin for, 'to tell the truth'".

Uh, no.

They said the same thing here...
I just snorted.

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:28:09pm

re: #208 jcm

We're half way through voir dire, then this afternoon the attorneys start tossing prospective jurors.

Ask the Judge:
"If we convict the defendant, can we feast on his gamey buttocks?"

/the bailiffs in white coats will escort you out promptly

282 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:28:34pm

re: #257 Honorary Yooper

Can I have my slice of that as pecan?

warmed up a little with some REAL whipped cream. . .umm yum

283 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:28:36pm

re: #272 JohnAdams

Did anybody tell the plants?

No, plants are good, they "exhale" oxygen, which has not (yet) been classified as a terribly dangerous chemical.

Of course, when they die and decay, that's another matters.

So, New Rules:

-Animals (including humans) are henceforth not allowed to breath
-Plants are not allowed to die

Why do I suspect the Triffids are behind this whole thing?

284 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:29:45pm

re: #280 jcm

They said the same thing here...
I just snorted.

Hell, they could have at least gotten the language right, before mistranslating it.

285 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:30:15pm

re: #273 Occasional Reader

Military lizards, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the French have been (in general) better warriors than the Germans for the last couple of decades, at least. IIRC they were ranked a pretty solid #2 after the UK in terms of European NATO strength.

I was thinking back to the couple of centuries since the Battle of Austerlitz

286 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:30:24pm

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

287 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:30:36pm

re: #270 Wendya

A woman alone hitchiking through Turkey wearing a wedding dress to show the world the kindness and goodness of strangers is going to do exactly the opposite.

Turkey USED to be pretty modern. . .and fough jihadists for a very long time. . .but I will concede that as she traveled farther out, she should have been more careful.

288 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:30:39pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

Try as I might, I simply can't feel one shred of compassion for her. She made her bed. Let her lie in it.

Me neither. Islam never ceases to amaze with its perpetual stupidity-rage feedback loop machine.

289 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:30:43pm
290 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:04pm

re: #273 Occasional Reader

Military lizards, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the French have been (in general) better warriors than the Germans for the last couple of decades, at least. IIRC they were ranked a pretty solid #2 after the UK in terms of European NATO strength.

That was before most of the brave ones were killed in WW1, and in the French Resistance.

291 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:11pm

re: #281 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ask the Judge:
"If we convict the defendant, can we feast on his gamey buttocks?"

/the bailiffs in white coats will escort you out promptly

We have a cook book for that here. . .

292 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:16pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

Send Al Gore to force it to buy carbon credits.

293 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:16pm

re: #285 lifeofthemind

I was thinking back to the couple of centuries since the Battle of Austerlitz

Well... I'd go out on limb and say the Germans had the upper hand at least circa, oooohh, sayyyy, 1940.

294 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:22pm

re: #263 MJ

My informal poll of American Jews indicates that 95% of them believe that Avigdor Lieberman is Joe Lieberman's brother and that the same percentage think M.J. Rosenberg is a Kapo.

* * *
I loved how gutsy Mr. Avigdor Lieberman put that Washington Post owner's granddaughter down, answering her stupid questions recently.

Ms. WashPost asked if Mr. Lieberman was a racist! Because he objects to people being blown up by terrorists.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #203 HelloDare

Was Obama responding to a letter from Chirac?

VERRRY interesting.
Thanks for posting that.

296 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:43pm

re: #233 Ben Hur

Now that Soros has taken care of Bush, he's setting his sights on the new Israeli administration.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

The always idiotic YNET using a J-STREET poll.

Liebermann will be sooo worried!
NOT!

297 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #281 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ask the Judge:
"If we convict the defendant, can we feast on his gamey buttocks?"

/the bailiffs in white coats will escort you out promptly


Yes, I have always thought if I get hauled up for jury service I could ask "When do I say he's guilty?" I am sure that would see me being challenged.

298 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:32:00pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

I wanna see someone measure the pollutants and use it as an argument against the Gorebullists......

299 gmsc  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:32:21pm

re: #251 EmmmieG

3.1415926...

re: #259 gmsc

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re: #265 EmmmieG

Uncle.

Do what I did: Memorize Pi to 400 digits.

Youtube Video
300 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:32:45pm

re: #289 ploome hineni

who cares?

same jews who voted for our POSOTUS

I try not to rag on my fellow Jews who were that stupid, some days it is so hard not to. . .

301 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.


Dammit, volcanoe, you have no carbon credit offsets for this outburst. Cease and desist immediately!

302 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:33:00pm

re: #285 lifeofthemind

I was thinking back to the couple of centuries since the Battle of Austerlitz

I think that is the last one the French won against the Germans, too! haha

303 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:33:17pm
304 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:33:47pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

No, plants are good, they "exhale" oxygen, which has not (yet) been classified as a terribly dangerous chemical.

Of course, when they die and decay, that's another matters.

So, New Rules:

-Animals (including humans) are henceforth not allowed to breath
-Plants are not allowed to die

Why do I suspect the Triffids are behind this whole thing?

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't plants also take in C02?

305 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:34:07pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

* * **
I'm sure it's Sarah Palin's fault for not taking more in bailout funds.

306 Athos  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #292 Kosh's Shadow

Send Al Gore to force it to buy carbon credits.

He's also large enough to cork it........

307 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:34:38pm

re: #304 JohnAdams

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't plants also take in C02?

Yes, but that's good. They "sequester" it, see.

308 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(With sincere respect for those of my fellow Lizards who'll disagree)

After watching the video, I have no feelings of sympathy for her. None at all.

We cannot be protected from the choices we make, and she made hers.

She has made her bed, or her grave. Let her lie in whichever it turns out to be.

I do disagree, though I'll not curse you for your take on the story. Stipulating that she isn't running a scam, she's made one of those irretrievable mistakes that all too often spell the end of a life. Even when somebody dies as the result of their own bad judgment and bad morals, and even if they die at the hands of the cops in a shootout or something, in a way it's a shame.

This story is a double shame because her killers will have fouled their own souls yet more thoroughly. The only good that comes of this is a somber good; it teaches us that in life you can't always get a mulligan.

309 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:36:07pm

re: #302 Desert Dog

I think that is the last one the French won against the Germans, too! haha

The Germans cheat. They win by marching in backwards. The French think they're leaving and go back to drinking wine and eating cheese.......and the rest is.....history.
/

310 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:36:09pm
311 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #307 Occasional Reader

Yes, but that's good. They "sequester" it, see.

Yes, and in 30 trillion years it becomes the evil black gold...

312 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:36:39pm

re: #293 Occasional Reader

Well... I'd go out on limb and say the Germans had the upper hand at least circa, oooohh, sayyyy, 1940.

We are talking past each other. The Germans had the upper hand over France from 1812 to 1944 and still had a better reputation (everyone assumed they were "born non-commissioned officers") until after the Berlin Wall came down. Their reputation is really imploding, the sorry performance in the Balkans Bosnian campaign was a wake up but the French also did badly their. The German non-performance in Afghanistan is inexcusable.

313 brookly red  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:37:17pm

re: #250 Iron Fist

Try as I might, I simply can't feel one shred of compassion for her. She made her bed. Let her lie in it.

It reminds me of the the psychologist who got bit by her dog...

314 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:37:35pm

re: #304 JohnAdams

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't plants also take in C02?

Yes. they convert CO2 to O2 via' photosynthesis. The "C" is carbon, which the plants' metabolic system uses to "burn" nutrients, to grow.

I took physics, not biochemistry, and I understand the carbon cycle better than the dorks The One has at EPA.

cheers

eon

315 Cavsupream  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:38:24pm

What's the deal with the knife? It looks like it is tied to the end of a string. Is someone holding it?

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:38:26pm

re: #260 A Kiwi Infidel

Its gone.......into the ether........whew

Thanks, so, I don't get an answer. I hate when people post vague comments and than won't clarify themselves if asked.

317 Bobblehead  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:38:47pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

Some extremely cool pictures from the Alaska Volcano Observatory. Check out the web cams too.

318 doppelganglander  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:38:48pm

I'm delighted that "journalist" is in scare quotes, but not pro-jihad.

319 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #305 alegrias

* * **
I'm sure it's Sarah Palin's fault for not taking more in bailout funds.

Obama has just announced a $ 4Trillion plan to rebuild the volcano. It appears that the rare puffed crested butt flycatcher lived on the slopes and we have to reinstate the ecological system in order to bring the population back to normal. re: #312 lifeofthemind

We are talking past each other. The Germans had the upper hand over France from 1812 to 1944 and still had a better reputation (everyone assumed they were "born non-commissioned officers") until after the Berlin Wall came down. Their reputation is really imploding, the sorry performance in the Balkans Bosnian campaign was a wake up but the French also did badly their. The German non-performance in Afghanistan is inexcusable.

Frederick the Great and his Prussian generals are spinning in their graves looking at the state of the German military today. Not that we REALLY want a strong German Army marching around....do we? I seem to remember a few problems popping up the last few times the were a "real" army.

320 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:39:12pm
321 alegrias  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #303 ploome hineni

do you hav a link for that> or her name?

* * **
Sorry, I read the hard copy article of Avigdor Lieberman's interview by Lally Weymouth a couple weeks ago (found the Opinion section of the WashPost in the recycling bin).

Lally Weymouth is possibly the daughter of the WashPost now dead editor Katharine Graham, and thinks she's Washington royalty, raised in tony Georgetown you know, with the leftist snobs who believe they ought to run the country.

322 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #319 Desert Dog

Frederick the Great and his Prussian generals are spinning in their graves looking at the state of the German military today. Not that we REALLY want a strong German Army marching around....do we? I seem to remember a few problems popping up the last few times the were a "real" army.

I posted on this before. The real purpose of the EU was to defang the Germans by dissolving them, and other stubborn tribes like the Irish, in a big sea of Franco styled administration. It was designed to be enervating and feminizing. That isn't a bug, it is a feature.

323 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:42:39pm

re: #320 ploome hineni

I am less tolerant that you

people who are not observant, have no respect for kashruth or Torah

redicule the Orthodox

and vote for NObama

are only Jews, because that's what their Grandparents were

Like Jamie Rubin married to Christianne Armanpour

that Shapiro wacko, maried to that arab nutcase

Finkeldreck

Chompsky

and others

they are on the dark side

/spit

They worship the golden calf of liberalism, instead of G-d.

324 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:43:29pm

re: #322 lifeofthemind

I posted on this before. The real purpose of the EU was to defang the Germans by dissolving them, and other stubborn tribes like the Irish, in a big sea of Franco styled administration. It was designed to be enervating and feminizing. That isn't a bug, it is a feature.

It appears they succeeded

325 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:43:36pm

re: #320 ploome hineni

I am less tolerant that you

people who are not observant, have no respect for kashruth or Torah

redicule the Orthodox

and vote for NObama

are only Jews, because that's what their Grandparents were

Like Jamie Rubin married to Christianne Armanpour

that Shapiro wacko, maried to that arab nutcase

Finkeldreck

Chompsky

and others

they are on the dark side

/spit


JINOs?

326 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:44:17pm
327 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:44:18pm
328 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #321 alegrias

* * **
Sorry, I read the hard copy article of Avigdor Lieberman's interview by Lally Weymouth a couple weeks ago (found the Opinion section of the WashPost in the recycling bin).

Lally Weymouth is possibly the daughter of the WashPost now dead editor Katharine Graham, and thinks she's Washington royalty, raised in tony Georgetown you know, with the leftist snobs who believe they ought to run the countryworld.

There. . .

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #297 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I have always thought if I get hauled up for jury service I could ask "When do I say he's guilty?" I am sure that would see me being challenged.

I had an experience like that, and it was utterly innocent (allbeit candid) on my part.

Jury selection was about to begin for a murder trial. The Judge read a very brief summary of the charges. It was enough for me to recognize which murder the young man was on trial for. It had been utterly barbaric.

The Judge asked us if anyone had any reason to believe he or she couldn't render an impartial verdict. I raised my hand. I explained that I'd recognized the case. The Judge told me to come to the bench, with the two attorneys.

After further questions, the Judge asked if there was any part of the trial process where I thought I might not be able to be impartial. My kneejerk response was: "Would I have to decide on his punishment?"

The Judge thanked me .... and excused me.

330 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:46:15pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

I do disagree, though I'll not curse you for your take on the story. Stipulating that she isn't running a scam, she's made one of those irretrievable mistakes that all too often spell the end of a life. Even when somebody dies as the result of their own bad judgment and bad morals, and even if they die at the hands of the cops in a shootout or something, in a way it's a shame.

This story is a double shame because her killers will have fouled their own souls yet more thoroughly. The only good that comes of this is a somber good; it teaches us that in life you can't always get a mulligan.

As I replied to Dianna, upstairs -- I understand.
IF it's not a scam, it's a tragedy.

331 GCPSteve  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:46:19pm

re: #43 Russkilitlover

Let's send Pelosi in her headgear to talk to them.

Great statement!
I second the motion. Can we bring it to a vote?

332 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:46:25pm
333 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #299 gmsc

Do what I did: Memorize Pi to 400 digits.


[Video]

You are either a quick study or have WAY too much time on your hands; aside from LGF that is.

334 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:48:49pm

re: #322 lifeofthemind

I posted on this before. The real purpose of the EU was to defang the Germans by dissolving them, and other stubborn tribes like the Irish, in a big sea of Franco styled administration. It was designed to be enervating and feminizing. That isn't a bug, it is a feature.

It's noteworthy that the EU movement only began getting really organized after the USSR collapsed. I've long suspected that the reason was that if they'd done it prior to that, they were afraid that in event of a Warsaw Pact "annexation" attempt, the U.S., Canada, and UK might not have come to the rescue as they did in 1914-18 and 1939-45.

"You're an actual union now. What do you mean, you 'didn't think you'd need an army'?"

/Those who think they don't tend to find out how wrong they are, the hard and painful way.

cheers

eon

335 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:49:51pm

re: #332 ploome hineni

losers

if they didn;t have money or position.....they would be laughed at

just another Jew

They think they know what G-d wants and how to get there better than G-d; even though the way is written out for them, they refuse to accept those ancient laws.

This is the same problem, but to a lesser degree, that socialists and communists have. They have a vision of some form of paradise, but reject He who guides our behavior to make a true paradise. The man-made version isn't even a shadow of the real thing.

336 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #327 Iron Fist

what is the exchange rate right now? 2-1?

A little good news there: US$1.46 = 1 pound sterling

337 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, so, I don't get an answer. I hate when people post vague comments and than won't clarify themselves if asked.

I didnt want to give a detailed answer unless I could refer you. It was one of those T-shirt ads where the model is, by far, more interesting than the t. I have no idea where it has gone. That is all I can offer, sorry.

338 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:50:17pm

re: #327 Iron Fist

:=) Yes we know; don't surprise you in the dark...

BTW, I believe Jaunte makes blades. Have you looked at his site?

339 KansasMom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:50:29pm

I'm trying to muster some sympathy for the poor fool, I really am. I know in my heart that putting yourself in a dangerous situation is wrong, but not nearly as wrong as commiting violence against another human being.
But it is so hard to feel sympathy for someone who seemingly walked into it. Does not wishing her harm count, if I don't feel bad if harm comes to her?
Assuming, of course, that this is a case of the boy (girl) finally meeting the wolf.

340 Athos  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:51:44pm

re: #319 Desert Dog

Frederick the Great and his Prussian generals are spinning in their graves looking at the state of the German military today. Not that we REALLY want a strong German Army marching around....do we? I seem to remember a few problems popping up the last few times the were a "real" army.

None of the EU nations has taken a serious approach towards providing for their own national defense - particularly since they sit within the US defense umbrella under NATO with the US providing the real deterrent / military capability. I don't think any of the NATO countries achieve the minimum recommended level of defense spending except for that of the US.

Years ago, the 'modern' Wehrmacht was viewed as quite capable tactically within the type of war they were trained to fight - stopping a WP / USSR juggernaut across Central Europe. However, those leaders have retired and the political mindset inside of Germany has likely introduced some rot within their system. The French, however, are also not that much better - although some units do see considerable action deployed to support national interests in Africa and there is a focus on the independent strategic forces of France.

As we've learned from the Clinton Administration - refusals to invest adequate amounts into national defense will result in a far faster decline in the ability of one's armed forces than one can build it back up. Unless Western Europe decides to step out from under the US umbrella - their military will continue to be a primarily paper tiger for show and little use in real conflicts.

341 redheadredstate  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:51:49pm

#276 Naso Tang

re: #259 gmsc

...53589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820 97494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214 80865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811 17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 81097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564 85669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245 87006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892 5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094...

Cool program. In a million years or so we might see the message from God. (Contact/Sagan)

The answer is 42.....now what's the question again?

342 funky chicken  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:52:35pm

NOT. ONE. SOLDIER. SHOULD. BE. ENDANGERED. TRYING. TO. RESCUE. THIS. PIECE. OF. TREASONOUS. FILTH.

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #312 lifeofthemind

We are talking past each other. The Germans had the upper hand over France from 1812 to 1944 and still had a better reputation (everyone assumed they were "born non-commissioned officers") until after the Berlin Wall came down. Their reputation is really imploding, the sorry performance in the Balkans Bosnian campaign was a wake up but the French also did badly their. The German non-performance in Afghanistan is inexcusable.

Your ... "born non-commissioned officers" ... cuts metaphorically to the heart of the matter. Soldiers are made, not born, but your quote reminded me of a truism. The Prussian Army (and then the Imperial German Army and the Nazi Wehrmacht) was built not upon its generals, but upon its non-coms.

Germans today are not what they once were.

/maybe we can be grateful, after a fashion ... ?

344 Mirage  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:53:43pm

As far as jury duty goes, I like it. It gives me the chance to offset the idiots that are there and do my best to see that justice is served properly.

345 eon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:54:38pm

re: #327 Iron Fist

OK, folks, I am now officially in lust. Look at this! Oh, my. Now look at the price. That is in british pounds. I can buy a good pistol cheaper than that. I have bought a good pistol cheaper than that (what is the exchange rate right now? 2-1?). Recently.

Damn. I'm all tapped out for the next few months. I just bought a $200 fighting knife, and it is quite a nice one. I've got a Boker Applegate-Fairbairn knife I got years ago (I met Rex Applegate about 15 years ago. Gerber was making his knives at the time. He recommended I wait and get the Boker. He wasn't satisfied with the quality of the Gerber knives). That one has serrations on one side of the blade (I don't necessarily hate serrations, but I'm not planing on using my knife as a saw), and the big flaw in the weapon is that the pommel is rounded. I like being able to use the blade to pass a cut and follow it in with a butt-strike to the temple/side of the head/neck area. The rounded pommel is still going to hurt, but I'd rather be knocking a hole in the side of their skull (emergency trepanation :-)

[Sigh]

I don't guess that Obama is going to ban knife-making in the next six months, but wow. If obama would just give me my fucking bailout, I'd buy the damned knife and be done with it.

I'm going to whine...

I bought all of my blades years ago. Every basic one I have has at least two spares. None of mine cost over $100, and most were under $40. My philosophy is that if I've spent $200+ on a knife, I might be too "careful" with it in actual service. (The first rule being, "s#!t happens".) My way, if I break or lose one, I just go to my store and get another. No muss, no fuss, and I'm only out about $30 or so.

I think a knife is just a tool, like a gun. I use them- I'm not married to them.

cheers

eon

346 Ceemack  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:55:02pm

Assuming this is true (and it seems unlikely)...if you could refine irony into gasoline, this could give us energy independence.

347 Mirage  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:55:29pm

I couldn't help thinking of "Batman Begins" when hearing about this story... "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you either."

348 Wishing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:55:41pm

re: #286 astronmr20

Mt. Redoubt in Alaska has just erupted.

I guess we have to tax it now.

It is all Palin's fault. No doubt she planned this.

349 vaynela  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:56:10pm

It is truly remarkable how clueless these individuals are. You would think that after their experience they would acknowledge just a smidge of their own stupidity. Remember Alan Johnston of BBC and Hamas fame? He has been permanently hibernating after his liberation from weeks in captivity in Gazastan.

350 Mirage  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:56:29pm

re: #346 Ceemack

Assuming this is true (and it seems unlikely)...if you could refine irony into gasoline, this could give us energy independence.

I'm sure the environmentalist whack jobs and their cohorts could come up with a way to screw it up, though.

351 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:56:46pm
352 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:57:14pm

re: #340 Athos

None of the EU nations has taken a serious approach towards providing for their own national defense - particularly since they sit within the US defense umbrella under NATO with the US providing the real deterrent / military capability. I don't think any of the NATO countries achieve the minimum recommended level of defense spending except for that of the US.

Years ago, the 'modern' Wehrmacht was viewed as quite capable tactically within the type of war they were trained to fight - stopping a WP / USSR juggernaut across Central Europe. However, those leaders have retired and the political mindset inside of Germany has likely introduced some rot within their system. The French, however, are also not that much better - although some units do see considerable action deployed to support national interests in Africa and there is a focus on the independent strategic forces of France.

As we've learned from the Clinton Administration - refusals to invest adequate amounts into national defense will result in a far faster decline in the ability of one's armed forces than one can build it back up. Unless Western Europe decides to step out from under the US umbrella - their military will continue to be a primarily paper tiger for show and little use in real conflicts.

They have taken all of the money they should have been spending on their own defense and instead spent it on an unsustainable welfare state. What the left in this country wants us to become. We should leave the Europeans to themselves now and let them worry about Russia and Iran on their own for a change.

What is really ironic is they will squeal like babies if we close down our bases there now. That is what is keep many communities afloat over there.

353 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #349 vaynela

It is truly remarkable how clueless these individuals are. You would think that after their experience they would acknowledge just a smidge of their own stupidity. Remember Alan Johnston of BBC and Hamas fame? He has been permanently hibernating after his liberation from weeks in captivity in Gazastan.

Or all the people that went over to "solve the Lebanese Problem" during the Lebanese Civil War that ended up getting kidnapped themselves. Good Intentions will give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, but sometimes, that is not all that comes from it. Sometimes, it backfires on you.....

354 MJ  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:01:25pm

From the World Headquarters of Jew Hatred:

U.N. reports say Israel targeted civilians in Gaza

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

This is receiving top billing on al-Reuters.

355 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:01:42pm
356 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:01:59pm
357 flyovercountry  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:03:26pm

While it is hard to imagine anyone deserving to be beheaded, what idiot travels to a war zone and blatantly propagandizes for the enemy of his/her own country. If you sleep with snakes, it should not be a shock when you get bitten. My suggestion to Canada, not one penny in ransom. The taliban should be forced to pay for this idiots return to Canada.

358 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #354 MJ
"In another, on January 15, at Tal al Hawa south-west of Gaza City, Israeli soldiers forced an 11-year-old boy to walk in front of them for several hours as they moved through the town, even after they had been shot at."

I call bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!

359 brookly red  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:04:59pm

re: #352 Desert Dog

and let em pay for their own freakin missile shield too.

360 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:05:56pm

re: #191 Land Shark

But she's helping the same people who have been doing these horrific beheadings. She's given them aid and comfort through her propaganda. She went to that area to help them by making more propaganda for these evil murderers. So if they do behead her, they are essentially beheading one of their own. It's still cruel and horrific, but I think I'll save my sympathies for the true innocent victims of her "buddies."

As I stated before, her own actions led her to this predicament. That doesn't change the fact that her murder would be inhumane. It has nothing to do with who is more deserving of sympathy, but the simple recognition of the evilness of what might happen to her.

361 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:06:15pm

re: #151 LGoPs

Is there any way to protect against hyper-inflation? Seriously.

Buy up products that will cost more later or will increase in value as the money supply increases.

362 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:07:02pm

re: #353 Desert Dog

Or all the people that went over to "solve the Lebanese Problem" during the Lebanese Civil War that ended up getting kidnapped themselves. Good Intentions will give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, but sometimes, that is not all that comes from it. Sometimes, it backfires on you.....

........or runs over you with a bulldozer

363 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:07:06pm

re: #341 redheadredstate

#276 Naso Tang


The answer is 42.....now what's the question again?

42 works for me.

364 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #358 Lincolntf

"In another, on January 15, at Tal al Hawa south-west of Gaza City, Israeli soldiers forced an 11-year-old boy to walk in front of them for several hours as they moved through the town, even after they had been shot at."

I call bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!

Of course. It's in the Hamas manual isn't it?

365 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:10:10pm
366 Jr ewing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:12:40pm

INTERNATIONAL donors pledged almost $4.5 billion in aid for Gaza earlier this month. During the past few years it has been very painful for me to witness the deteriorating humanitarian situation in that narrow strip where I lived as a child in the 1950s.

The media tends to attribute Gaza's decline solely to Israeli military and economic actions against Hamas. But such a myopic analysis ignores the problem's root cause: 60 years of Arab policy aimed at cementing the Palestinian people's status as stateless refugees to use their suffering as a weapon against Israel.
Your text to link...

Great read.

367 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #197 Athos

You've touched on the real issue - there are some people (too many unfortunately) who see the world and things as they want to see them - not as they are. They are so fully indoctrinated in the evil of the Western Civilization, that they don't believe evil exists anywhere else - and as long as one is nice and friendly - they will be safe.

Unfortunately, evil does exist and it exists everywhere. Evil will not care if you are good or nice or with happy hopeful thoughts - evil will rise up and bite your ass if you let it.....and by not standing ready to expose evil, to fight evil, you are letting it.

That is the hole in these 'heaven on earth' or 'utopia on earth' philosophical / political ideologies - they ignore a lot of human nature and ices like greed, addiction to power, willingness to use violence to obtain what they desire - in the naive approach that others don't have ambititons and goals - they only react to our steps. And liberals call conservatives arrogant.....

I'd really love to read if this is a new phenomena or did similar problems exist in the past. A generation ago, infection and disease struck communities, even outside the Third World. Starvation was a real threat to those of the generation before that. Did these people have a better understanding of the world, since they weren't as shielded from the worse aspects of it?

Personally, I think a lot of the faults is the blame America mentality that took hold of the left during the 60s.

368 funky chicken  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:15:18pm

re: #225 alegrias

If the German woman expects German troops in Afghanistan to rescue her, she's really doubly hosed, as the German NATO troops get to drink tons of beer--in a moslem country-- and stay safe in their little bases.

My husband said the Germans are fat, worthless f*cks. LOL He actually said the French guys he's worked with are pretty cool.

369 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:17:11pm

re: #366 Jr ewing

Thanks, that is a good article.

The main cause of the suffering that area is the Arab neighbors and the Palestinian themselves. Israel is not going away and after 60 bloody years, that should be painfully obvious to everyone. With all the money pouring into Gaza and the West Bank and all the money that has already been flushed away, it is obscene that the Palestinians cannot build a society for themselves.

If the Palestinians really wanted to get control of their future. All they would have to do is give up their arms and live in peace. Israel will not attack them if that was to ever happen.

370 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:18:25pm

re: #259 gmsc

...53589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820 97494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214 80865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811 17450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428 81097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564 85669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245 87006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892 5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094...

Pi-Porkulus

371 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:24:54pm

re: #214 Naso Tang

Anybody tried to buy ammunition, of any kind, lately? //

I don't even own a gun. I wouldn't mind learning how to target shoot, but I'm cross-eyed dominate. (I think that's the right term.) I've been told that makes aiming accurately harder.

372 Athos  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #367 Emerald

I'd really love to read if this is a new phenomena or did similar problems exist in the past.

The answer, I believe, comes from Philosophy - and the tangle of philosophy and political science. I cannot relate as well to the ancient philosophers take on this because the times and circumstances are just too far distant. Instead I date this phenomena, as you call it, to Jean Jacques Rousseau and by the radical implementation of it by the Jacobins in the French Revolution - which I also define as the start of Fascism. Since then, there is the recurring theme in fascism that utopia is available on earth.

I don't think exposure or lack of exposure to the world, its benefits or threats, really define the point of view, but rather the belief system that is defined into people around our system is broken - not the world - and all of the suffering is because either we are not dedicated enough or focused enough on this imaginary earthly utopia.

373 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #332 ploome hineni

losers

if they didn;t have money or position.....they would be laughed at

just another Jew

JAJs?

374 powerplay  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:32:39pm

So now Delta Force gets to go on a dangerous mission to save this moonbat.....who after being rescued will be able to live with massive cognitive dissonance and continue on in her anti-western antics...

That's my guess anyway.

375 funky chicken  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:50:31pm

re: #374 powerplay

So now Delta Force gets to go on a dangerous mission to save this moonbat.....who after being rescued will be able to live with massive cognitive dissonance and continue on in her anti-western antics...

That's my guess anyway.

I sincerely hope not. I hope they are just too busy to deal with it. She very well could be helping set up Haditha II.

376 zeebeach  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:54:42pm

Ok, I didn't read every comment here, but I believe that there are causes worth dying for (crappy grammar, I know). I argue(d) constantly with my liberal friends about this when they pushed their pacifist crap. There must be a line in the sand for all of us. It may be different for all of us, but the liberal idea that no one should ever die is ludicrous. This Beverly has apparently drawn her line in the sand. I think it's tragic if she dies violently at the hands of the Taliban, but better her than our soldiers.

377 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:55:22pm

re: #348 Wishing

It is all Palin's fault. No doubt she planned this.

She angered the volcano gods over the aerial wolf hunting. Now Alaska must suffer the wrath. Ask Ashley Judd.

378 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:55:36pm

re: #372 Athos

The answer, I believe, comes from Philosophy - and the tangle of philosophy and political science. I cannot relate as well to the ancient philosophers take on this because the times and circumstances are just too far distant. Instead I date this phenomena, as you call it, to Jean Jacques Rousseau and by the radical implementation of it by the Jacobins in the French Revolution - which I also define as the start of Fascism. Since then, there is the recurring theme in fascism that utopia is available on earth.

I don't think exposure or lack of exposure to the world, its benefits or threats, really define the point of view, but rather the belief system that is defined into people around our system is broken - not the world - and all of the suffering is because either we are not dedicated enough or focused enough on this imaginary earthly utopia.

I see your point, but I still think that such ponderings are the luxury of wealth. If anthrax took out half your herd, the next village over has a smallpox epidemic and you don't know if you raised enough to live on through the winter because of drought, then you don't have time to wonder about the philosophical aspects of society. You might rage against the unfairness, but it's a more general rage. IIRC, the early part of the French Revolution wasn't trying to overthrow the king, but impose constitutional reforms on the monarchy.

The concentration of leftists in academia and media certainly doesn't help. The lack of differing points of view severely limits what people learn. They're taught that America is bad, and that's reinforced in the news and movies.

379 Caboose  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 2:58:01pm

Oh, here's the problem. Both the main & reserve sympathy reservoirs are bone-dry and we won't be getting any more refills in any time soon. I guess she is just SOL. Good luck and say "hey" to the Great Satan Allah for us! Give Moe-ham-head our best while you are at it!

380 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:00:48pm

re: #265 EmmmieG

To me, the non repeating decimal of Pi means that the natural world does not really contain any circle anywhere.

381 yesandno  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:01:15pm

I think it is a scam...where are the men behind her, posturing?

Even so, should it be true....I wonder if she ever witnessed the beheading of any of the men killed by these terrorists. Had she been forced to see it, she might have had a different perspective.

When we don't show the utter inhumanity to man that these people perpetuate, because someone might get queasy, then we get people like her that live in some moral equivalence bubble that reality never penetrates. People need to see the people jumping off the towers to know what terror really is--do I jump or do I burn?. We send people into harms way to protect us from that....not from the vision of it, but from the act.

Had people seen the reality of war and terror from the beginning, things would be different and a moral equivalence for many wouldn't be an issue. Real moon-bats would still say it is our fault, but the fence sitters would know who was at fault...

In her case, I don't think it would have made a difference. If this is real, she has a lot of praying to do.

382 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:02:22pm

re: #368 funky chicken

Do not forget that the French turned the German army at the battle of the Marne.
The french have way more guts than the Germans.

383 philosophus invidius  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:05:22pm

Any possibility that it's her website that's the hoax?

384 Jr Ewing  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:19:53pm

I have absolutely no sympathy to terrorists supporters.

385 Pietr  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:22:12pm

re: #290 astronmr20

That was before most of the brave ones were killed in WW1, and in the French Resistance.

re: #382 Ojoe

I've only skimmed, so I probably missed some comments on the French-but the guys who fought at Dien Bien Phu (Vietnam, for you yunguns) were truly heroic. The French Foreign legion also performed heroically in the Mid East-and about 50% of them were French, not foreigners. But the last 30 years of Euro Socialism have tamed many of them, as well as the Germans-they expect 8 hr days with no danger-(plus wine for the Fr., and Beer for the Germans), and 2 months paid vacation now.....so very SAD....:>((

386 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:29:47pm
387 the1sgjohns  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:31:02pm

re: #297 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I have always thought if I get hauled up for jury service I could ask "When do I say he's guilty?" I am sure that would see me being challenged.

Here is something for everyone to remember when ask at the jury selection process
If the lazy cop decided to write a report and the liberal give away the farm prosecutor did want to plead out the case and the crazy judge did not dismiss the case on a technicality yet, I suppose I have time to hear the manic depressive defense attorney's fabricated story about this guy not being the suspect before I find him guilty.

388 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:31:31pm
389 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 3:38:37pm
390 Pietr  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:02:57pm

re: #388 ploome hinenire: #389 Iron Fist

Iron Fist-glad you shared that-I'd venture her Dad was trying to avoid capture and trial...SAD...

ploome hineni

Well, I probably should have expounded on this MORE. After DeGaulle threw us out of France, tried to run NATO, and went totally in bed with Islam for OIL-France sucked! Meanwhile, we still had the Iron Curtain, the USSR, and Germany/US as the tip of the Spear. The Sahr(sp?) valley was the key, and only the US Abrams and German Leopards (Tanks, for the non-Military) to hold back the ENTIRE might of the USSR. And I never heard one US tanker disparage the German tankers during that time. If we and they could hold for 30 minutes, then the real Tactical weapons would've engaged. Only after President Reagan, and the collapse of the USSR did the germans become wimps.....also SAD....:>((

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:04:35pm

re: #270 Wendya

A woman alone hitchiking through Turkey wearing a wedding dress to show the world the kindness and goodness of strangers is going to do exactly the opposite.

I have to say that I have my doubts if she would have survived hiking across the U.S. under the same circumstances. You just don't.

392 Pietr  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:09:37pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say that I have my doubts if she would have survived hiking across the U.S. under the same circumstances. You just don't.

I'd disagree, SFZ. In the USA, sticking to well travelled roads, she could choose who she rode with-grabbing her, in sight of other traffic, would guarantee that. Anywhere in Islamistan-she'd be toast.....IMHO.

393 Mauser  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:10:49pm

re: #61 LGoPs

Is Helen Thomas a virgin?
*Shudder passes through me*

Actually, I would hope so. The alternative, that she is not, is FAR too gruesome to contemplate.

394 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:10:49pm

re: #13 acwgusa

That karma things a bitch, isn't it, Beverly?

That Beverly thing's a bitch, isn't it Karma?

395 efuseakay  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:13:50pm

Kidnapped? Doubt it. Willing went with them... faking a kidnapping so she can try and get her friends some more $. The thing is, when nobody pays her ransom, off with her head. Sucker.

396 Dom  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:19:08pm

If we put suspicion aside this woman is a victim of a "resistance" she has supported in the killing of many, many others and the persecution of many more and the fomenting of large wars. The irony isn't a funny one, it is very dark stuff. All the same I don't believe it is right to pay a ransom, pretty much ever, but especially in this case. She may well be hoping the west gets blamed for not caving in, but nobody loves a murderous kidnapper.

397 efuseakay  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:28:33pm

Willingly, even... :)

398 Euler  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:29:15pm

re: #259 gmsc

4/1 - 4/3 + 4/5 - 4/7 + 4/9 - 4/11 + 4/13 - 4/15 + 4/17 - 4/19 + ...

399 jcbunga  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:39:35pm

This reminds me of the PETA activists who disrupted a bullfight in Spain years ago.

They locked hands, entered the ring and sat down in the sand...at one with the bull...who immediately put his nose to the ground and snowplowed them all like rag dolls as the matador scurried over the wall to safety.

This type of "logic" lasts until it collides with reality.

400 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 4:56:32pm

re: #103 Russkilitlover

So I guess the moral question to debate is: Should the ransom be paid?

If the ransom is to be paid, let the damn moonbats raise the money from their pockets. The poor suffering Canadian taxpayer shouldn't pay one red cent.

But even in that case, the money goes to buy arms for the Taliban, which is an evil in itself.

IMHO, the rule should be this: Terrorists kidnap a true innocent, we should, reluctantly, pay the ransom, if military action cannot be used, because the evil of the captive's murder is more immediate than the potential evil that might be caused by the terrorists spending the ransom on armaments.

But if the person kidnapped is a terrorist fellow-traveler, fuck 'em.

401 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:02:34pm

re: #100 DisturbedEma

I hope no one DIES trying to save her ungrateful ass- I worry that she will go Helisinki and help her captors if anyone tries. . .

Social Darwinism at work...

402 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:04:45pm

re: #395 efuseakay

Kidnapped? Doubt it. Willing went with them... faking a kidnapping so she can try and get her friends some more $. The thing is, when nobody pays her ransom, off with her head. Sucker.

Not necessarily... most likely a mullah will issue a pardon for her etc so she can continue doing their propaganda work etc...

403 Banner  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:16:25pm

Wow, Darwinism in Action.

I hate to say it, but if she really is pro jihad and pro taliban, I won't be shedding any tears over her beheading. I'd -like- to say that I hope they cut her head off, but to be honest, I sort of feel sorry for the moron.

404 marsl  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:18:10pm

re: #133 Honorary Yooper

Some CH4 while next to him couldn't hurt.

Some C4 while far way from him couldn't hurt.

Fixed for you at no expense.

405 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:19:40pm

it is difficult to have any sympathy for this woman.
she has willingly put herself in this dangerous position.
this goes back to being all abt. her.
her desire to feel relevant and important and part of something
has eclipsed her common sense.
she is getting some hard knocks schooling.
she may not live to benefit from it.
not that she would anyway.
it is sad that there are people like this in the world.
who would smile and march right up to evil and hope to be embraced and appreciated.

406 Photon Cowboy  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 5:25:46pm

re: #371 Emerald

I don't even own a gun. I wouldn't mind learning how to target shoot, but I'm cross-eyed dominate. (I think that's the right term.) I've been told that makes aiming accurately harder.

Buy a shotgun ! That way accurately aiming can really become less of a problem. The closer they are the more accurate a shotgun becomes.
But you have to remember that the closer they get ,the bigger the mess

407 marsl  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 6:03:55pm

re: #340 Athos

None of the EU nations has taken a serious approach towards providing for their own national defense - particularly since they sit within the US defense umbrella under NATO with the US providing the real deterrent / military capability. I don't think any of the NATO countries achieve the minimum recommended level of defense spending except for that of the US.

Years ago, the 'modern' Wehrmacht was viewed as quite capable tactically within the type of war they were trained to fight - stopping a WP / USSR juggernaut across Central Europe. However, those leaders have retired and the political mindset inside of Germany has likely introduced some rot within their system. The French, however, are also not that much better - although some units do see considerable action deployed to support national interests in Africa and there is a focus on the independent strategic forces of France.

As we've learned from the Clinton Administration - refusals to invest adequate amounts into national defense will result in a far faster decline in the ability of one's armed forces than one can build it back up. Unless Western Europe decides to step out from under the US umbrella - their military will continue to be a primarily paper tiger for show and little use in real conflicts.


The real problem is the fact, when US military buys military equipment, that equipment is US-made. It create jobs and enhances industrial I&D. When Portuguese military buys military equipment, the equipment is not Portuguese-made. So, we only transfer money for guns. No investment. No I&D. No jobs.
The only option is to start an European Defense Project. But the problem with that is the various sensibilities who wants a piece of the cake. For example, the Eurofighter. Nice plane. But, in order to satisfy all countries involved, the production is scattered between them. So, no economy of scale. Then your F-35 is cheaper. And some European countries will buy the F-35 instead of the Eurofighter, because they cannot afford the plane. Then they will only transfer money for guns, without no advantages. And so on, and so on.

This is a view of a Portuguese Lizard.

408 marsl  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 6:11:24pm

Now, who cares for Beverly?

If the Talibans behead her, show the video to all those leftists idiots who supports them. Show the what will happen to them if the Talibans lay an hand of them. Show them that the alternative is to fight them. Show them the great job that the US military and NATO forces are doing against those barbaric SOB's. If that do not convince them, just drop them in Warizistan.

409 Emerald  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 6:55:59pm

re: #406 Photon Cowboy

Yeah, but I want the accuracy. I am thinking of getting a shotgun for the house. Crime is creeping its way into the neighborhood. It's nothing like in the city, but it's still here.

410 Daryl Herbert  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 8:54:24pm

Now she has an excuse to send lots of $$$$ straight to the Taliban.

Is it legal to pay ransom money to terrorists?

411 Ledger1  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 1:05:51am

re: #103 Russkilitlover

No.

412 Tom Taylor  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 1:41:15am

re: #273 Occasional Reader

Considering that beside the normal french army there is just the Foreign Legion and big parts of these consist of former east bloc people and that they are real bad motherf*ckers, the Germans still have compulsory military service besides some regulars and their own special forces and a quite capable "Luftwaffe" with special equipment the NATO and even the US likes to request for action, esp. in the field of electronic warfare.
Same goes with their submarines.

OK they shortened the conscript service time from 18 to 15 and 12 and now to just 9 months over the last 15 years, but they still have it. It's a strategic decision with adverse effects and some are bad and yes the common conscript lacks skills in operating difficult equipment and to carry out difficult missions in foreign countries, but infantry 101 is still taught, enough for the purpose of national defense.

Also the decision to let serve woman in front and combat units has softened the force a lot. (Not that I think that women are less capable soldiers, but the Prussian drill and the former strict discipline have softened a lot, they even allow now stuffed animal at the barracks - unthinkable 10 years ago)

BTW: The day the Berlin Wall came down they were ranking as the 3rd biggest army worldwide over night with around 500.000 soldiers under weapons, 5000 main battle tanks and so on.
Many people where a bit concerned these days, that if anyone would decide to use them - with the advantage of the combined knowledge of WP and NATO tactics, no language barrier and at this time mostly state of the art weapon systems from both worlds - they could seize France and most of Europe in a conventional war in days - again.

Later in the mid-ninety's some older people were a bit irritated as they started wearing camouflage uniforms again that looked quite similar to the late Waffen-SS designs...
But then they even abandoned the 7,62x51mm NATO in the late-ninety's and downsized at all areas. They even had a big "Panzer-Fire-sale" following the reorganization process called "Heeresreform".

The deployment in Afghanistan is highly disputed discussed and the common German "Landers" there did not have a "Kampfauftrag" or a robust mandate they have just orders to do humanitarian stuff and logistics.
Bur their relative young SF "Kommando Spezial Kraefte" units there do a good job and have earned respect from their colleagues but always try to keep a very low profile.

The other problem is that in being a soldier in Germany still has a stigma on it and the public support and the respect to the uniform is very bad. There are a lot of draft-dodgers and a lot of left wing people, new and old socialist/commies. This paired with the experience with the 40000 men strong Wehrmacht as a state within the state after WW1 and the outcome of this prevents the change to a smaller, better equipped and trained army consisting just of professional military people for almost a decade now.

Maybe they really changed after all they have done to the world and have just enough from war for all time - the Allies taught them the tough way twice - and maybe this is not a bad thing at all.

413 Tom Taylor  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 2:29:42am

By the way - if I were the Islamist I really would not piss off the Krauts.
A kind of 9/11 in Germany could have a very bad aftermath.

There are few more frightening things than watching marching Fritz-Helmet wearing Landser columns and Panzers with Iron Crosses on their turrets on your streets - ask grandpa if he is polish or french!

Personally I am not so sure if the German military spirit of the past is really dead. Last time I saw a German tank platoon passing a polish town in a NATO joint forces maneuver, I saw a very disbelieving looking old local man, one of the tanks stopped, the crew got out to get some water from a fountain and I heard a young soldier saying to the still gazing man: "Na Opa, so schnell habt ihr uns nicht zurueck erwartet, was?" what means: "Hey Grandpa - you didn't expect us to be back so soon, did you?".
Of course he was just kidding and his buddy's had a big grin about the joke, but it felt at last a bit uncomfortable even to me.

And yes the guy was kicked out from the military for this comment.

414 The Ronin Edge  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:28:03am

"Why!"
"I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."

Nuff said.

415 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:32:00am

if they kill that woman, and it leads to western taliban apologists and sympathizers coming to their senses, in a way she will become an authentic martyr instead of a phony homicide bombing "martyr" that she and her fellow travelers love to glorify.

416 Seax  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:15pm

Re 413.
I was great friends with a German Tanker (80's)- so
this story doesn't surprise me.
He and his mates were...um... rather unique.
Most were OK - but some really were 'strange'.
'Strange' as in carrying pliers to pull gold teeth out -
...after the big punch up in the local bar.
Damn they were good...that was then don't know
about now though.


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