The Return of Cold Fusion?

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Scientists at a US Navy laboratory have announced a discovery that may change the world—if it isn’t another false alarm: Scientists in possible cold fusion breakthrough.

The scientists on Monday described what they called the first clear visual evidence that low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR), or cold fusion devices can produce neutrons, subatomic particles that scientists say are indicative of nuclear reactions.

“Our finding is very significant,” said analytical chemist Pamela Mosier-Boss of the US Navy’s Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego, California.

“To our knowledge, this is the first scientific report of the production of highly energetic neutrons from a LENR device,” added the study’s co-author in a statement.

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1 anchors_aweigh  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:02:00pm

And a squid shall lead them....

2 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:15pm

48 week rule in effect

3 BignJames  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:41pm

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

And a squid shall lead them....

Jimmy Carter?

4 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:42pm

*shakes head*

But how many JOBS will it create?

/

5 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:52pm

Reardon metal will be announced next week.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:53pm

Please please please please...

7 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:03:54pm

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

And a squid shall lead them....

Will it make my es-car-go?

8 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:04:11pm

24 hour rule. Hmm, though.

9 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:04:55pm

Go Navy!

10 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:05:06pm

Even if it works, we still can't just set our thermostats to 72 degrees, and eat as much as we want, and expect other countries to say, "okay".

/

11 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:05:25pm

Don't know much about cold fusion...But here some HOT Fusion

Youtube Video
12 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:05:27pm

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

And a squid shall lead them....

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

And a squid shall lead them....

Octomom?

13 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:06:00pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Even if it works, we still can't just set our thermostats to 72 degrees, and eat as much as we want, and expect other countries to say, "okay".

/

Only bringing the cost of healthcare down can get us out of this inherited mess. So why bother?

/

14 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:06:01pm

re: #12 Noam Sayin'

Oops...

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:06:05pm

re: #12 Noam Sayin'

Octomom?

That gagging sound you hear...is me.

16 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:06:43pm

re: #7 pink freud

Will it make my es-car-go?

It'll run at a snail's pace.

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:06:58pm

It will be awhile until we know. Other scientists will have to confirm these findings. You know, that whole scientific method thingy.

18 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:07:55pm

And the eco-leftists will try to stop this potential breakthrough from being exploited. /you know it's going to be a matter of time should someone attempt to make this a practical energy system.

19 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:08:40pm

More detail here:

In the new study, Mosier-Boss and colleagues inserted an electrode composed of nickel or gold wire into a solution of palladium chloride mixed with deuterium or "heavy water" in a process called co-deposition. A single atom of deuterium contains one neutron and one proton in its nucleus.

Researchers passed electric current through the solution, causing a reaction within seconds. The scientists then used a special plastic, CR-39, to capture and track any high-energy particles that may have been emitted during reactions, including any neutrons emitted during the fusion of deuterium atoms.

At the end of the experiment, they examined the plastic with a microscope and discovered patterns of "triple tracks," tiny-clusters of three adjacent pits that appear to split apart from a single point. The researchers say that the track marks were made by subatomic particles released when neutrons smashed into the plastic. Importantly, Mosier-Boss and colleagues believe that the neutrons originated in nuclear reactions, perhaps from the combining or fusing deuterium nuclei.
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

20 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:08:45pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

It will be awhile until we know. Other scientists will have to confirm these findings. You know, that whole scientific method thingy.

At least this starts off with a group with a little more credibility.

21 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:08:47pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

It will be awhile until we know. Other scientists will have to confirm these findings. You know, that whole scientific method thingy.

Yes, though it would be nice if the good old USA got there first.

22 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:08:54pm

re: #18 lawhawk

And the eco-leftists will try to stop this potential breakthrough from being exploited. /you know it's going to be a matter of time should someone attempt to make this a practical energy system.

"Think of the poor atoms...all fused together...don't you care about their feelings? Are you a monster?"

23 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:08:55pm

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

24 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

It will be awhile until we know. Other scientists will have to confirm these findings. You know, that whole scientific method thingy.

Oh, thats no fun! I think electrons were guided into fusion thru an act of intelligent design.

25 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:15pm

Damn government, spending money on scientific research. How dare they and when will this benefit me?

/luddite mode off

26 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:19pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

Best of luck!

27 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:20pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

It will be awhile until we know. Other scientists will have to confirm these findings. You know, that whole scientific method thingy.

No, we shouldn't "waste" money researching unproven technologies!

We should only do research on proven technologies. The wheel, fire... stuff like that.


/ObamaThink

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:28pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

I hope it goes well.

29 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:52pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Nothing serious?, I hope

30 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:09:52pm

Does this mean I can get a Prius with Infinite Improbability Drive?

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:11pm

re: #27 Occasional Reader

No, we shouldn't "waste" money researching unproven technologies!

We should only do research on proven technologies. The wheel, fire... stuff like that.


/ObamaThink

So...the moveable type idea should wait? We stay with quill pens for a while?

32 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:14pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

Ahem! What kind of surgery? Nothing serious we hope.

33 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:21pm

Since I remember cold fusion being announced around 20 years ago, in a study that nobody ever was able to reproduce, I think I'll wait for confirmation. And I won't be holding my breath either.

It would be really cool if it turns out to be doable, though.

34 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:36pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

35 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:37pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow

I think you'll make a great man, for what it's worth.

/kidding

/good luck, and RELAX, it'll be fine!

36 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:45pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Damn government, spending money on scientific research. How dare they and when will this benefit me?

/luddite mode off

And the fact is was discovered by the Evil Imperial US Crusader Forces? SHAME! SHAME!

/Moonbat mode

37 the1sgjohns  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #30 Gearhead

Does this mean I can get a Prius with Infinite Improbability Drive?

a random infinite improbability drive.

38 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:00pm

re: #31 EmmmieG

We stay with quill pens for a while?

I'm going to duck that question.

39 BLBfootballs  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:02pm

I am beyond shocked.

Go Navy indeed! This is just astonishing.

40 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:12pm

re: #24 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh, thats no fun! I think electrons were guided into fusion thru an act of intelligent design.

You just may be correct if this pans out.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:27pm

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Oh, just go swanning off, then...

42 the1sgjohns  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:42pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

And the fact is was discovered by the Evil Imperial US Crusader Forces? SHAME! SHAME!

/Moonbat mode

Easy....schlicko :)

43 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #27 Occasional Reader

No, we shouldn't "waste" money researching unproven technologies!

We should only do research on proven technologies. The wheel, fire... stuff like that.

/ObamaThink

Au contraire, he will announce tomorrow that he plans on spending 20 Trillions dollars on it. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and ACORN will handle the cash funneling, oops, I mean research granting.

44 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:12:04pm
45 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:12:21pm

2007 P. Mosier-Boss (SPAWAR) LENR Presentation at APS

/our hero

46 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:12:24pm

re: #30 Gearhead

Does this mean I can get a Prius with Infinite Improbability Drive?


Yep. But watch out for the whale.

47 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:12:36pm

This sounds promising, but I will keep my expectations on a low setting.

48 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #23 Afrocity
Good luck!

49 Afrocity  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:13:05pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

I think you'll make a great man, for what it's worth.

/kidding

/good luck, and RELAX, it'll be fine!

LOL,

If you guys don't hear from me...well see you at that big RNC convention in the sky. I will be the black woman./

50 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:13:06pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

Please update us when you can. Already praying for you!

51 mikalm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:13:19pm

Incredible news, if it's not just a repeat of what happened with those guys in Utah.

As always: "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and have no expectations."

52 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:13:20pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

This sounds promising, but I will keep my expectations on a low setting.

Welcome to Obama's America.

53 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:13:27pm

Interesting, but I'll wait on replication. Meanwhile plain old hot fusion is making strides as well.

[Link: www.ibiblio.org...]

54 BLBfootballs  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:14:23pm

I thought anything relating to LENR/CANR had been totally written out of the scientific mainstream. The fact that the Navy has been researching this for 20 years means that somebody from Pons & Fleischmann onwards hit on something with enough theoretical basis to convince the pros that this could be real.

55 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #33 lurking faith

Since I remember cold fusion being announced around 20 years ago, in a study that nobody ever was able to reproduce, I think I'll wait for confirmation. And I won't be holding my breath either.

It would be really cool if it turns out to be doable, though.

/Fuck faith in the ongoing miracle of human ingenuity to solve problems. Let's bankrupt the coal industry!

56 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:14:43pm

re: #44 taxfreekiller

Its a water planet.
Use the water.

DRY LAND IS NOT A MYTH! I'VE BEEN THERE!

/

57 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #44 taxfreekiller

Liberty and Tyranny ...13.75 / Amazon

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:15:03pm

Interesting. Verrrry interesting.

BTW, I had the kids do a freewrite in class today about what they knew about life in Nazi Germany. (We're about to read The Book Thief). One kid informed me confidently that George Bush's relatives sold Hitler "the stuff" to build an atomic bomb.

On a more interesting note, one of my kids' great-grandfather was apparently in training to become a kamikaze pilot when the war ended. She thinks. She confided that she thinks that sometimes her father makes this stuff up.

59 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:15:16pm

re: #56 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

DRY LAND IS NOT A MYTH! I'VE BEEN THERE!

/

Debating a downding for a Waterworld reference.

//

60 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:15:27pm

re: #56 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

DRY LAND IS NOT A MYTH! I'VE BEEN THERE!

/

Dean Martin?

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:15:57pm

re: #23 Afrocity

Night guys. I am having surgery tomorrow and can't eat past midnight. I am going to stuff my face for the next two hours.

Go eat well, and get sleep. You're gonna do good, OK? Let us know as soon as you can how you're feeling.

62 anchors_aweigh  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:17:21pm

In related news, the USN enters it's fifth decade operating fission reactors safely, proving that objections to nuclear power are rooted in political hysteria rather than fact.

63 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:17:48pm

re: #52 Bloodnok

Welcome to Obama's America.

No- reading the whole article, this really sounds like it could lead to an entirely new field of science. I've often thought that the kids today were very bright (pity they don't have proper schools) but the brightest of these kids would figure out our energy problem, and this might be the new field where just such a thing will occur. We shall see.

64 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:17:50pm

re: #49 Afrocity

LOL,

If you guys don't hear from me...well see you at that big RNC convention in the sky. I will be the black woman./


You'll have no trouble spotting us.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #49 Afrocity

LOL,

If you guys don't hear from me...well see you at that big RNC convention in the sky. I will be the black woman./

I'm torn between laughing, pointing out that I won't be allowed in, and telling you not to be silly, and you'll live to a hundred and twenty. Zei gezunt. (Be healthy.)

66 mattm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:18:20pm

If this is true, wow!

67 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:18:22pm

I'll say a prayer for you {Afro}

68 swamprat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:18:32pm

I have a device that makes electricity without any batteries or light or fuel.

69 mattm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #62 anchors_aweigh

In related news, the USN enters it's fifth decade operating fission reactors safely, proving that objections to nuclear power are rooted in political hysteria rather than fact.

VERY Good point.

70 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:19:40pm

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

71 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:19:44pm

re: #68 swamprat

I have a device that makes electricity without any batteries or light or fuel.

Yeah, but can you hook your wool sweater up to the grid?

72 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:20:09pm
73 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

We will live in the dark, and we will like it...or else

74 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:20:36pm

Good night.

75 Wm T Sherman  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:20:41pm

It's not unheard of to get a few fusion reactions from a small device. The trick is getting lots of them, and make more energy than the device consumes.

Technology
Palmtop Nuclear Fusion Device Invented

By Michael Schirber, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 27 April 2005 01:00 pm ET

The nuclear reaction that powers the Sun has been reproduced in a pocket-sized device, scientists announced today.

Researchers have for years tried to harness nuclear fusion to power the world. But its cousin, nuclear fission -- the breaking apart of atoms -- is the only method so far commercially viable.

The latest invention is not in the same league as efforts to build complex commercial reactors. The new device creates a relatively small number of reactions, and requires more energy to operate than it produces.

But the configuration is so small and simple that its creators think it may inspire unforeseen applications.

"I certainly find it interesting that you can heat a cubic centimeter crystal in your hand, then plunge it in cold water and it will cause nuclear fusion," Seth Putterman from the University of California Los Angeles told LiveScience.
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

76 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:21:26pm

re: #62 anchors_aweigh

In related news, the USN enters it's fifth decade operating fission reactors safely, proving that objections to nuclear power are rooted in political hysteria rather than fact.

DING DING DING!
That you Adm. Rickover, a safety obsessed SOB.

77 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:21:50pm

re: #73 Desert Dog

We will live in the dark, and we will like it...or else

We welcome the dark, the dark is our friend, the dark watches over us, it leads us to that happy place - my bong is empty!

78 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:22:01pm

Wow. I read the link and I want to know more.

Its hard to imagine this is a hoax. As for this..

It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons,"

To the first point, so what? Sometimes calculations precede the observation. Sometimes the opposite happens. To the second point, hmm. Not smart enough to know what other explanations there might be for the production of nuetrons here. That is the big question I guess. I'm calling for the 48 hour rule at least here.

But if it does point to something real, it will be big.

79 Steve Rogers  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:22:07pm

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

80 brickthruplateglasswindow  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:22:26pm

2 questions.

Is it scalable and self-sustaining?

81 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:22:42pm

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

Someone should point out to the MSM that its hard for viewers to turn on the TV or Computer without a steady and reliable flow of electricity.

82 swamprat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:22:45pm

re: #71 Gearhead

Yeah, but can you hook your wool sweater up to the grid?

It is a tempurature guage. It uses a themocouple, and that themocouple is the source of power.

83 SteveC  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:23:13pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I had the kids do a freewrite in class today about what they knew about life in Nazi Germany. (We're about to read The Book Thief). One kid informed me confidently that George Bush's relatives sold Hitler "the stuff" to build an atomic bomb.

*passes out*

On a more interesting note, one of my kids' great-grandfather was apparently in training to become a kamikaze pilot when the war ended. She thinks. She confided that she thinks that sometimes her father makes this stuff up.

My uncle was in the Secret Service, says he jogged along with FDR every day. It's true. He told me so himself!

84 the1sgjohns  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:23:26pm

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

I thought fairy dust was a fossil fuel.

85 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:24:14pm

re: #77 Panhandler

We welcome the dark, the dark is our friend, the dark watches over us, it leads us to that happy place - my bong is empty!

Don't worry, Obama will pass out free buds to keep the population mellow

86 SteveC  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:24:22pm

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

And UNICORNS! Don't forget the unicorns!

87 KingKenrod  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:24:33pm

I just read the book "Sun in a Bottle" by Charles Seife, which is a history of fusion research, both from a science and a political view. It was very discouraging about the future of fusion. This new cold fusion story sounds exactly like every other big story that turned out to be a dud - cold fusion and bubble fusion.

There is some progress being made in two other types of hot fusion - hohlraum and tokamak types. ITER is a giant tokamak, but won't be online for testing for 10 years. NIF is a hohlraum type, and is getting close to testing, but there is great skepticism about the engineering challenges that need to be overcome to create a sustainable fusion reaction.

88 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #79 Steve Rogers

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I agree, but it's hard to imagine the Navy would come out with a hoax. I await the finding of peer-review.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #83 SteveC

My uncle was in the Secret Service, says he jogged along with FDR every day. It's true. He told me so himself!

;)

90 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #86 SteveC

And UNICORNS! Don't forget the unicorns!

91 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #85 Desert Dog

My mellow Americans.............

92 tommygum  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:26:11pm

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

And a squid shall lead them....

Welcome, new guy, from an old squid.

93 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:26:49pm

re: #2 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

48 week rule in effect

Months. . .I told you months. . .

94 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:26:51pm

Cold fusion and cold fusion as an energy source are entirely two different things. That being said, there does seem to be a lot of chemists , that after a few drinks, posit that Martin Fleishmann and Stanley Pons may have seen something that was real. I do not know why. The nickel/palladium/platinum group has always fascinated chemists.

95 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:27:17pm
96 Macker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:27:32pm

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Sorry guys, no nukes in Obama's America...Wind mills and fairy dust are the future.

And who has the corner on the market for the latter? Perhaps the chair of the House Banking Committee?

97 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:27:52pm

re: #91 Pvt Bin Jammin

My mellow Americans.............

98 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:28:03pm

re: #83 SteveC

My uncle was in the Secret Service, says he jogged along with FDR every day. It's true. He told me so himself!

Did he liberate Treblinka too. . .

99 Steve Rogers  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:28:25pm

Can it be harnessed to power Obama's Teleprompters? Because if it can, Obama will throw everything behind it to get it up and running!

100 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #90 Panhandler

And UNICORNS! Don't forget the unicorns!

Can a conventional coal-fired plant burn the unicorns without an expensive conversion?

101 SteveC  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:28:38pm

re: #98 DisturbedEma

Did he liberate Treblinka too. . .

Silly you! President Buchanan did that! :)

102 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:28:47pm

Seriously the catastrophe these nimrods are visiting upon energy in the name of this pre-adolescent fixation on "global warming" will turn out to be the biggest laugh in the history books of the future. The great American auto industry, which has contributed 60 Trillion to the economy in its history, has succeeded until now despite the shackles of union fucks and congressional environmental wacks. Watch the government suppression of cold fusion. They hate the idea that they can't get a vig.

103 BLBfootballs  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:30:17pm

re: #87 KingKenrod

I just read the book "Sun in a Bottle" by Charles Seife, which is a history of fusion research, both from a science and a political view. It was very discouraging about the future of fusion. This new cold fusion story sounds exactly like every other big story that turned out to be a dud - cold fusion and bubble fusion.

There is some progress being made in two other types of hot fusion - hohlraum and tokamak types. ITER is a giant tokamak, but won't be online for testing for 10 years. NIF is a hohlraum type, and is getting close to testing, but there is great skepticism about the engineering challenges that need to be overcome to create a sustainable fusion reaction.

The truly endless saga of the tokamaks is enough to discourage anybody from waiting on fusion. Also makes you wonder if an alternative approach might be more fruitful.

104 SteveC  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:30:22pm

re: #102 JohnAdams

Seriously the catastrophe these nimrods are visiting upon energy in the name of this pre-adolescent fixation on "global warming" will turn out to be the biggest laugh in the history books of the future.

We'll laugh about it one day, provided we aren't broke, cold, hungry, in the dark, and pissed.

105 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:10pm

SPAWAR! Go San Diego!

/Seriously, how can you not like the acronym?

106 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:30pm

re: #94 pat

Cold fusion and cold fusion as an energy source are entirely two different things. That being said, there does seem to be a lot of chemists , that after a few drinks, posit that Martin Fleishmann and Stanley Pons may have seen something that was real. I do not know why. The nickel/palladium/platinum group has always fascinated chemists.

I've invited Dr. C to weigh in on this issue..He is currently blogging on the math of dark energy..But you can visit and read his response...
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

107 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:40pm

re: #19 jaunte

Thanks for posting that.

108 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:42pm

re: #99 Steve Rogers

Can it be harnessed to power Obama's Teleprompters? Because if it can, Obama will throw everything behind it to get it up and running!

Wait! I've got the ultimate solution. Rig up a windmill on the President's microphone, one on Pelosi's lectern, and one on Reid's mic. We'll have a huge energy SURPLUS!

109 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:45pm

re: #104 SteveC

We'll laugh about it one day, provided we aren't broke, cold, hungry, in the dark, and pissed.

That sounds like my retirement, Steve.

110 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:31:57pm

[moonbat] C'mon. Everyone knows the US Navy has known about the cold fusion for years. They only released this to the public now to upstage Obama's Herculean efforts to save the world and to remind him that the Military-Industrial complex is the real seat of power in the USA. [/ moonbat]

111 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:32:23pm

re: #87 KingKenrod

I just read the book "Sun in a Bottle" by Charles Seife, which is a history of fusion research, both from a science and a political view. It was very discouraging about the future of fusion. This new cold fusion story sounds exactly like every other big story that turned out to be a dud - cold fusion and bubble fusion.

There is some progress being made in two other types of hot fusion - hohlraum and tokamak types. ITER is a giant tokamak, but won't be online for testing for 10 years. NIF is a hohlraum type, and is getting close to testing, but there is great skepticism about the engineering challenges that need to be overcome to create a sustainable fusion reaction.

My Scientific to English translator is busted, what does that say, in a nutshell? Remember, I have a history degree, so use small words

112 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:32:40pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Thanks for posting that.

You're welcome. I was curious about what the experiment entailed. I wonder how much electricity they put into the system to get the reaction.

113 jelo  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:32:53pm

Cold Fusion!
I'll tell ya what Cold Fusion is.....it's moving back to Canada from the deep south in February!

114 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:32:54pm

I expect the illusion of near term fusion to be heavily pimped over the next couple of years to defray the popularity of something that's off the shelf now, Nuclear Fission reactors. The latest gallup poll shows 59 percent of Americans approve of nuclear now, it's an all time high.

115 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #97 Panhandler

:-)

Haven't heard that in ages.

116 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:27pm

re: #110 Mich-again

[moonbat] C'mon. Everyone knows the US Navy has known about the cold fusion for years. They only released this to the public now to upstage Obama's Herculean efforts to save the world and to remind him that the Military-Industrial complex is the real seat of power in the USA. [/ moonbat]

/We've known about cold fusion technology since Area 51 or whatever the hell its called in NM.

117 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:30pm

I'm not holding my breath yet.

Goodnight.

118 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:32pm

re: #110 Mich-again

What is the over / under on that one?

119 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:38pm

The veil of American hatred by Democrats is poorly made. It is near the surface and is bursting out every day. Concealed by the press. When the GOP realized they had been infiltrated by black helicopter nutcases, it got rid of them. The Dems now have a global warming, anti-nuke, America is always bad, military is evil, we need to be loved, ignoramus as POTUS.

120 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #100 Gearhead

Can a conventional coal-fired plant burn the unicorns without an expensive conversion?

But of course, and the rendered fat will power almost any type of internal combustion engine - and emit only daisy farts and pixie dust. The dreaded dihydrogen monoxide has met its match.

121 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:34:00pm

re: #113 jelo

Cold Fusion!
I'll tell ya what Cold Fusion is.....it's moving back to Canada from the deep south in February!

I thought cold fusion was when your friends convinced you to lick the metal stop sign pole in December.

122 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:34:46pm
123 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:35:05pm

re: #114 Thanos

I expect the illusion of near term fusion to be heavily pimped over the next couple of years to defray the popularity of something that's off the shelf now, Nuclear Fission reactors. The latest gallup poll shows 59 percent of Americans approve of nuclear now, it's an all time high.

Even the French like it. Surely wannabe Europeans like our moonbats can get with that!

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:35:34pm

re: #112 jaunte

I've put off reading up on this story. It's complicated, I'm busy and there have been so many previous false alarms.

125 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

I thought cold fusion was when your friends convinced you to lick the metal stop sign pole in December.

Uh huh huh, you said "pole."

/I'm braindamaged tonight, what do want from me?

126 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:35:51pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

I double dog dare you.

127 anchors_aweigh  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:36:16pm

re: #92 tommygum

Thank you. I appreciate that.

128 Macker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:36:30pm

re: #1 anchors_aweigh

Welcome from another former Squid...one who lasted only 17 days in the Navy...and was a Nuke candidate!

129 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:36:54pm

I hope this news is true, but, on the other hand, I have spent most of my considerable adult life hearing news that cold fusion was just around the corner.

130 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:37:12pm

And in news from the superior lands of the Khalifate . . . . .

Buzzing carpet now with built in MP3 player.

/Flat earth new tech

131 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:37:22pm

re: #87 KingKenrod

Unless I see some evidence otherwise to change my mind, I've been under the impression that Pons & Fleischmann had "Forrest Gumped" their way into producing LENR by accident. It happened sporadically. They didn't really know why or how and instead of taking several years of work to narrow down what was going on, they ran to the press and said "Guess what we did!11!". That was their downfall.

Since 89, several university laboratories and obviously the US Navy have been researching this, apparently the "right" way and with a low profile. They started noticing positive results over a decade ago, and are just now making a few muffled public statements about it.

This is passing the smell test to me so far but I'm not holding my breath for a tabletop reactor anytime remotely soon.

132 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:37:28pm

re: #125 acwgusa

/I'm braindamaged tonight, what do want from me?

Perhaps you're mired in con-fusion?

133 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:38:03pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

I thought cold fusion was when your friends convinced you to lick the metal stop sign pole in December.

I though it was the name of a jazz club in Minneapolis.

134 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:38:49pm

re: #132 solomonpanting

Perhaps you're mired in con-fusion?

It's Cold Con-Fusion, doncha know.

135 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:39:05pm

Wow ... what will cold fusion do to the hamsters?

LGF TECH - HAMSTER INSIDE

136 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:40:07pm

re: #134 acwgusa

It's Cold Con-Fusion, doncha know.

Cold? Not in an era of global warming.

137 jelo  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

I thought cold fusion was when your friends convinced you to lick the metal stop sign pole in December.

Yea that too.......along with not being able to take your skates off after spending hours on the outdoor rink after school.

138 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:40:59pm

re: #118 formercorpsman

What is the over / under on that one?

Sounds like a Dan Brown novel to me. Particularly when I read this part at the end of Jaunte's link in 19.

Mosier-Boss points out that the field currently gets very little funding and, despite its promise, researchers can't predict when, or if, LENR may emerge from the lab with practical applications. The U.S. Department of the Navy and JWK International Corporation in Annandale, Va., funded the study.

That sounds an alarm to me. The PhD with potentially the greatest scientific discovery in decades is whining about funding. hmm.

139 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:41:10pm

re: #122 Iron Fist

Does fusion produce CO2? Worse, is helium a greenhouse gas? We need a million years of climatological data before we can sign off on fusion as a clean power source.

Get back to us when you've done that.

Yer not even being sarcastic. That's the worst part. The Unicorn Fairy People actually have one of their guys as POTUS. I would say they are out to bankrupt the USA, but I don't think they are that smart. They are seeking to govern the world like a children's picture book.

140 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:42:03pm

re: #86 SteveC

And UNICORNS! Don't forget the unicorns!

Rainbows too.

141 Gearhead  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:42:35pm

re: #120 Panhandler

But of course, and the rendered fat will power almost any type of internal combustion engine - and emit only daisy farts and pixie dust. The dreaded dihydrogen monoxide has met its match.

Are daisy farts a greenhouse gas or a dollhouse gas?

142 swamprat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:42:35pm

re: #114 Thanos

I expect the illusion of near term fusion to be heavily pimped over the next couple of years to defray the popularity of something that's off the shelf now, Nuclear Fission reactors. The latest gallup poll shows 59 percent of Americans approve of nuclear now, it's an all time high.

Drilling for oil won't get a return until after a politicians' term is up. Therefore it is not viable. Perhaps other projects could be held to the same standard;
5 years to build a skyscraper?...Nope. Won't be in office then.
Space station...too long, I might not get re-elected.
Medical reasearch? Don't get sick until I run in your district.

143 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:42:43pm

Old Model fusion used to work on a batch of radioactive deuterium gasses superheated with a bunch of lasers to make a decent hot bang. The energy / efficiency quotient just wasnt there.

This new stuff .. is totally rad.

144 tommygum  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:43:03pm

re: #77 Panhandler

We welcome the dark, the dark is our friend, the dark watches over us, it leads us to that happy place - my bong is empty!

Fill the bong, listen to Dark Side of the Moon.

145 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:43:21pm

Did the potus use TOTUS or just the big TV?
Couldn't bring myself to watch the 0.

146 mattm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:43:27pm

OT

Leno just make a joke about the bailout and Communism. China is making a play about Marxs book.

Leno sad communism is when the gov't takes over private institutions and banks, you know like our stimulus package.

147 Steve Rogers  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:43:33pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

A hoax is not my first worry. Self-delusion is by far the most common factor when things like this turn out to be not true.

I hope it is true, but at this moment, I'm not holding my breath.

If it doesn't pan out, it will be made much worse by all the conspiracy loons claiming that "Big Oil", or the government, or the Auto Industry, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Jooooooooos, or (insert the whatever "sinister" group dejour is favored by whatever conspiracy theorist) suppressed it!

148 Salem  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:43:39pm

Listening to this Obomber speech it strikes me who he reminds me of. You ever go to work somewhere where the supervisor is some irritating clueless self-important fuck that everyone ignores and disregards and does their best to work around while ignoring and disregarding? That's what's going to happen here. Someday someone is going to tell this douchebag to get off the floor and go hide in the office until the rush is over and the rest of the country is going to shout in assent "Thank you! It's about freaking time!". The press can't even believe this guy.

149 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

I've put off reading up on this story. It's complicated, I'm busy and there have been so many previous false alarms.

Science!
*ducks*

150 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:45:18pm

re: #122 Iron Fist

Does fusion produce CO2? Worse, is helium a greenhouse gas? We need a million years of climatological data before we can sign off on fusion as a clean power source.

Get back to us when you've done that.

Because its a deuterium-deuterium reaction (apparently) rather than a deuterium-3He reaction, it isn't aneutronic and therefore emits "radiation" so moonbat lefty envirowackos will lump it together with fission power and refuse to budge on it as well.

151 BingoBunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:45:31pm

My best friend was a PHD Chemist.. back when this was first discussed 20 years ago.. he showed me what he thought was taking place in cold fusion.. a complex chemical reaction.. that in no way produced nuclear fusion.. and couldn't make a very good energy source because chemical reactions run out of energy as the chemicals combine... if this is not whats happening and some nuclear fusion/reaction is happening.. then this is as big as it gets in physics and chemistry.. it's a total new field.

152 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:46:32pm

The sound of O's speech is floating by as I type. He's endlessly answering some hapless reporter's question right now. The poor man has to be snoring by now.

153 kingkenrod  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:47:06pm

re: #131 ArchangelMichael

Unless I see some evidence otherwise to change my mind, I've been under the impression that Pons & Fleischmann had "Forrest Gumped" their way into producing LENR by accident. It happened sporadically. They didn't really know why or how and instead of taking several years of work to narrow down what was going on, they ran to the press and said "Guess what we did!11!". That was their downfall.

Since 89, several university laboratories and obviously the US Navy have been researching this, apparently the "right" way and with a low profile. They started noticing positive results over a decade ago, and are just now making a few muffled public statements about it.

This is passing the smell test to me so far but I'm not holding my breath for a tabletop reactor anytime remotely soon.

Pons and Fleischmann were actually working on cold fusion for about 5 years before their announcement, and they were funding their research themselves. They even blew up (disintegrated) a metallic sample a few years before their big press show, which they did to beat another researcher (Steven Jones) to the punch. Steven Jones eventually went nuts and became a truther (and did not succeed in cold fusion either).

The book makes it clear Pons and Fleischmann came pretty close to academic dishonesty. Their original publication contained a graph that showed a "fusion type" neutron coming from their experiment when there was none. They also refused to defend their work in open forums.

154 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:47:07pm

re: #150 ArchangelMichael

Because its a deuterium-deuterium reaction (apparently) rather than a deuterium-3He reaction, it isn't aneutronic and therefore emits "radiation" so moonbat lefty envirowackos will lump it together with fission power and refuse to budge on it as well.

re: #151 BingoBunny

My best friend was a PHD Chemist.. back when this was first discussed 20 years ago.. he showed me what he thought was taking place in cold fusion.. a complex chemical reaction.. that in no way produced nuclear fusion.. and couldn't make a very good energy source because chemical reactions run out of energy as the chemicals combine... if this is not whats happening and some nuclear fusion/reaction is happening.. then this is as big as it gets in physics and chemistry.. it's a total new field.

Please, both of you call me when I can buy my own warp cord and blast myself off this crazy third rock!

155 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:47:45pm

re: #154 acwgusa

Please, both of you call me when I can buy my own warp cord and blast myself off this crazy third rock!

warp core, dammit!

/Scotty is turning over in his capsule.

156 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:48:24pm

re: #138 Mich-again

Good pick-up. Certainly makes you think twice.

157 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:49:02pm

re: #82 swamprat

It is a tempurature guage. It uses a themocouple, and that themocouple is the source of power.

Back in the '50s or '60s, the Soviets demonstrated a transistor radio powered by a thermopile (a cluster of numerous thermocouples) heated by a kerosene lamp.

Efficiency of such devices is pretty poor, but they are robust, and quite silent in operation, so they have their uses.

158 kingkenrod  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:49:10pm

re: #150 ArchangelMichael

Because its a deuterium-deuterium reaction (apparently) rather than a deuterium-3He reaction, it isn't aneutronic and therefore emits "radiation" so moonbat lefty envirowackos will lump it together with fission power and refuse to budge on it as well.

It creates more nuclear waste than fission. The entire fusion apparatus becomes radioactive after a short time, and also wears down (so it has to be replaced often). On the plus side, the radiation decays to safe levels after about 100 years.

159 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:49:53pm

re: #151 BingoBunny

if this is not whats happening and some nuclear fusion/reaction is happening.. then this is as big as it gets in physics and chemistry.. it's a total new field.

The interesting thing about the first cold fusion experiment was that the results on paper WORKED. But the people who did the experiment werent able to replicate their results satisfactorily for the science bodies who wanted to authenticate it. This doesnt mean that the result didnt happen, they just couldnt work out why it happened.

But big MSM had a party in downgrading the scientists as frauds. Having read the papers at the time .. they werent frauds .. their results stated that SOMETHING had happened .. they just couldnt work out what.

So the possibility and dream of cold fusion never went away. As usual .. it was sidelined for old and 'faithful' tech.

Yes .. i hate the MSM.

160 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:50:31pm

re: #154 acwgusa

LOL F*in warp cord

161 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:50:35pm

these little things seem like a fine idea....somebody will benefit

[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

162 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:51:06pm

Good evening you all! Cold fusion, eh? So does this mean I'll have to wear a damn coat and sweater in July? Well does it, huh?!
/enviorweenie

163 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:52:14pm

re: #162 realwest

Good evening you all! Cold fusion, eh? So does this mean I'll have to wear a damn coat and sweater in July? Well does it, huh?!
/enviorweenie

Hi Realwest!

164 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:53:00pm

The point is: This breakthrough or some other will happen. Scientific/Technological breakthroughs are occurring at an exponential rate. 100 years ago the biggest worry about emissions from transportation was what to do with all the horseshit. These fuckwad global warming hysterists are simply profiting while they destroy all American manufacturing. They are grabbing power by deluding our increasingly ignorant electorate.

165 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:53:11pm

re: #162 realwest

Good evening you all! Cold fusion, eh? So does this mean I'll have to wear a damn coat and sweater in July? Well does it, huh?!
/enviroweenie

It should mean you can keep your cows farting all week.

166 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:53:17pm

re: #160 Taqiyyotomist

LOL F*in warp cord

Yeah, I know. I'm an embarrassment to Trekkies everywhere.

/Hangs Head in Shame.

167 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:53:40pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - how are you doing?

168 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:54:07pm

Realwest....I thought of you when I found this...
very tasty

Youtube Video
169 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:54:54pm

re: #167 realwest

Hey Hoops - how are you doing?

Hey bro..hanging in the Den.. watching ESPN..Not much

170 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:54:55pm

re: #165 Buster Bunny
Um, I don't own any cows - maybe I can make up for that by myself (roots around for beans, sauerkraut and other goodies.....)?

171 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:04pm

re: #149 Abu Bin Squid

A lot of it has to do with the gullible press. About once or twice a year some asshole "invents" a car that runs off water and the press reports it in the headlines every time without question.

172 Salem  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:11pm

Ironically, I just watched the Disney short from the early sixties "Our Friend the Atom" which painted all kinds of optimistic pictures of what great strides atomic power were going to allow humankind to make. I wonder what Disney would think about us still burning coal in 2009. Hopefully, the atom will be making a comeback.

173 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:29pm

By the way .. for any Back to the Future fans .. I have bought myself an untampered DeLorean .. for that day when someone discovers time travel.

My theory is by that stage .. all the other DeLoreans will have been wrecked by geeks trying to get a fake dashkit installed to make it to 88mph.

Mine will work ;)

174 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:32pm

re: #166 acwgusa

I got tears comin' outa my eyes over here! You caught it though, good save!

I was picturing Boomhauer, trying to explain how Spock died.

175 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:57pm

re: #160 Taqiyyotomist

LOL F*in warp cord

Isn't that the thing that Scottie would yank on to start the Enterprise's engines?

176 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:55:59pm

re: #148 Salem

Listening to this Obomber speech it strikes me who he reminds me of. You ever go to work somewhere where the supervisor is some irritating clueless self-important fuck that everyone ignores and disregards and does their best to work around while ignoring and disregarding? That's what's going to happen here. Someday someone is going to tell this douchebag to get off the floor and go hide in the office until the rush is over and the rest of the country is going to shout in assent "Thank you! It's about freaking time!". The press can't even believe this guy.

Dingity-Ding-Ding-Ding!

177 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:56:29pm

re: #170 realwest

Um, I don't own any cows - maybe I can make up for that by myself (roots around for beans, sauerkraut and other goodies.....)?

BEANS?....:)

178 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:35pm

re: #148 Salem

He's the guy you probably flicked rubber bands at in kindergarten. And spilt the cordial on his resting bed .. so the kindergarten 'minder' thought he'd had an accident.

179 Summer Seale  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:40pm

I would love nothing more than for it to be real but..

...color me extremely skeptical.

180 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:42pm

re: #168 albusteve
Ah, THANK YOU VERY MUCH - even if there are folks out here who don't think Clapton is much of a guitar player I certainly appreciate it!
How've you been today?

181 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:55pm

re: #162 realwest

Good evening you all! Cold fusion, eh? So does this mean I'll have to wear a damn coat and sweater in July? Well does it, huh?!
/enviorweenie

Only if you are in San Francisco. That is when we turn on the heat and wear sweaters.

182 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:57pm

Oooh, new Ducati 848. I'll take mine in white, please.

183 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:57:58pm

OT: The Global War on Terror is over!

According to the Washington Post, it's now officially called the "Overseas Contingency Operation."

I really wish I were kidding.

184 jimc  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:58:49pm

This is cool stuff. I can't wait for my Mr. Fusion powered car, kiss that Arab oil!

185 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:59:02pm

re: #183 Last Mohican

OT: The Global War on Terror is over!

According to the Washington Post, it's now officially called the "Overseas Contingency Operation."

I really wish I were kidding.

In response to the unfortunately Contingency which occurred Sept. 11 2001?

186 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #116 JohnAdams

/We've known about cold fusion technology since Area 51 or whatever the hell its called in NM.

I thought they had ZPM's from the Ancients.
/

187 Salem  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:59:27pm

re: #178 Buster Bunny

He's the guy you probably flicked rubber bands at in kindergarten. And spilt the cordial on his resting bed .. so the kindergarten 'minder' thought he'd had an accident.

Aw, I never flicked rubber bands at him, he's just a clumsy douchebag.

188 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:59:36pm

re: #180 realwest

Ah, THANK YOU VERY MUCH - even if there are folks out here who don't think Clapton is much of a guitar player I certainly appreciate it!
How've you been today?

fine and jolly...and yourself?re: #183 Last Mohican

OT: The Global War on Terror is over!

According to the Washington Post, it's now officially called the "Overseas Contingency Operation."

I really wish I were kidding.

WE WON!

189 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 8:59:49pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops
ESPN? Anything good on tonight?

190 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:00:00pm

re: #183 Last Mohican

OT: The Global War on Terror is over!

According to the Washington Post, it's now officially called the "Overseas Contingency Operation."

I really wish I were kidding.

"Today, a man-made incident in the Global Overseas Contingency Operations occurred in Baghdad...."

Blegh. I hate it three times.

191 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:00:29pm

re: #147 Steve Rogers

It could be that this is just a step in the right direction, and more will come down the pike in years to come. I stand by what I said to Bloodnok- I feel the kids in school now (about 10-13 years old) are the ones who will solve our energy crisis and put the Saudis out of business. Go kids!

192 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:00:46pm

re: #183 Last Mohican

OT: The Global War on Terror is over!

According to the Washington Post, it's now officially called the "Overseas Contingency Operation."

I really wish I were kidding.

Thats ok .. I'm learning newspeak. When they infringe our human rights by expressing themselves with Weapons of Mass Destruction, we will decide on a renovation of their major cities with the latest in cleansing technology.

193 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:00:52pm

re: #175 stevieray
Hey stevieray, how are you tonight?

194 Rich H  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:01:09pm

Re: cold fusion:

As Chester Cheetos would say,

"Blah blah blah."

195 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:01:25pm

re: #173 Buster Bunny

By the way .. for any Back to the Future fans .. I have bought myself an untampered DeLorean .. for that day when someone discovers time travel.

My theory is by that stage .. all the other DeLoreans will have been wrecked by geeks trying to get a fake dashkit installed to make it to 88mph.

Mine will work ;)

You can get your flux capacitor here.

196 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:02:04pm

re: #191 Sharmuta

It could be that this is just a step in the right direction, and more will come down the pike in years to come. I stand by what I said to Bloodnok- I feel the kids in school now (about 10-13 years old) are the ones who will solve our energy crisis and put the Saudis out of business. Go kids!

I hope they're not too pissed about their new national debt.

197 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:02:31pm

re: #177 Dustyvet
NO-O-O-O-O-O- NOT LIMA BEANS!
Geez, I tried to warn ya bout buying so many of those H&LB's but No, you wouldn't listen. Try to pawn those suckers off on some gullible survivalist!

198 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:03:15pm

re: #196 jaunte

I hope they're not too pissed about their new national debt.

We won't know until we're in the nursing homes and they come put plastic bags over our heads while we sleep.

199 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:03:47pm

re: #196 jaunte

I hope they're not too pissed about their new national debt.

You know- one of the most important things they're going to need is cheap energy, so this potential breakthrough is really important to them, though they likely have no idea at this point just how much.

200 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:01pm

re: #197 realwest

NO-O-O-O-O-O- NOT LIMA BEANS!
Geez, I tried to warn ya bout buying so many of those H&LB's but No, you wouldn't listen. Try to pawn those suckers off on some gullible survivalist!

I'll donate the lot to Code Pinko's aww, revenge is sweet...:)

/s

201 Summer Seale  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:16pm

I was going to add (in pure tongue-in-cheekiness, I assure you):

Why bother with cold fusion to free us of the stranglehold of the oil ticks when a simple hot fusion device could do the trick just as well?

202 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:16pm

re: #193 realwest

Hey stevieray, how are you tonight?

Tired, Real... tired. Workin' too much.

How's life in the Carolinas?

203 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:22pm

re: #181 rawmuse
Hi rawmuse - it's funny you say that. Dashiel Hammett - who served during WWII in the Army in the Aleutian Islands, once wrote that the coldest day he'd ever spent was a summer day in San Francisco!LOL!

204 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:24pm

Apocalypse alert: Barney Frank tells Code Pink to “grow up”

205 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:04:58pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

You know- one of the most important things they're going to need is cheap energy, so this potential breakthrough is really important to them, though they likely have no idea at this point just how much.

True. I hope the challenge is met.

206 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:04pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Understood. Sorry to have caused you to respond. Both you and Charles were clear on your doubts. Hopefully you're not offended by my swiping your "Science!"

207 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:07pm

re: #185 jcm

In response to the unfortunately Contingency which occurred Sept. 11 2001?

I guess so. But Obama's official term for what happened on 9/11/2001 is "empathy failure."

If you click the link, you may be surprised to learn that he was accusing the hijackers of an empathy failure, not us Americans. In other words, he thought the 9/11 attacks were a bad thing.

208 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:11pm

re: #202 stevieray

Tired, Real... tired. Workin' too much.

How's life in the Carolinas?

I'm in Carolina every night in my dreams...

/sorry, it's a good song!

209 sngnsgt  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:20pm

re: #204 Dustyvet

Apocalypse alert: Barney Frank tells Code Pink to “grow up”

Who's going to tell Barney Frank to gwow up?

210 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:22pm

re: #182 acwgusa
new Ducati 848 - WHERE?!? Link please!

211 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:05:32pm
212 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:06:08pm

Wow! We're getting really close to 7 million comments.

213 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:06:53pm

re: #203 realwest

That is because it is true! The hotter it gets in Sacramento (and it does get very hot there) the more cold, ocean air gets sucked in thru the Golden Gate. So we get to be about 40 degrees, plus winds, and that makes fog.

Then, you get in your car, drive 15 minutes and you can be in the blazing sun.

214 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07:02pm

re: #201 Summer

I was going to add (in pure tongue-in-cheekiness, I assure you):

Why bother with cold fusion to free us of the stranglehold of the oil ticks when a simple hot fusion device could do the trick just as well?

Bad Summer !

No nuking the bad guys !

What you must realise is the bad guys in this world keep on changing. If you think Russia is still the bad egg in the house .. you'd be right .. but wrong. They've changed .. its like we no longer consider Germany or Japan either threats or enemies anymore. Sure .. old grudges die hard .. but thats 3 generations .. usually.

We cant just nuke every bad egg in the neighbourhood. We'd end up with no friends and a lot of hot dirt.

215 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07:14pm
216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07:19pm

re: #181 rawmuse

Only if you are in San Francisco. That is when we turn on the heat and wear sweaters.

I never fully understood why the song title 'Cold Day In July' was supposed to be significant until I was an adult, and ventured out of the Bay Area.

217 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07:42pm

Every day its five new "what the f***?"s. Democrats put on one hell of a show, don't they? Every day.

Damn! Wow! Holy CRAP! No f*in way! You gotta be kiddin' me! Are you frikkin serious?!

Every day since inauguration, I've uttered these phrases, and more. Oh, much, much more. That I don't look perpetually surprised, all the time, like a frozen Steve Buscemi, is a testament to the immense control I have over my facial features.

218 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07:57pm

re: #201 Summer

I was going to add (in pure tongue-in-cheekiness, I assure you):

Why bother with cold fusion to free us of the stranglehold of the oil ticks when a simple hot fusion device could do the trick just as well?

Why bother with cold fusion? We're expecting the rapture! /////

219 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:08:17pm

re: #210 realwest

Ducati 848

220 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:08:37pm

From the comments at Hot Air's post about Alex Jones:

You people who trash Jones, well, I guess it’s against your policy to be FOR the Constitution, which according to MIAC in Missouri, makes people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin TERRORISTS! SUCH MALARKEY!

And speaking of Chuck Baldwin…

I am on the fence about 9/11 being an inside job.

Have any of you ever heard of Bilderberg? I didn’t, until I got an email from a family friend in Arizona, and then it all came back to me when watching Jones’ sensational new film The Obama Deception. We are puppets in a corporate takeover by the elite of the elite..INCLUDING AT LAST YEAR’S CONFERENCE IN VA OBAMA AND MCCAIN!

Lot of Obama’s cabinet–MEMBERS OF BILDERBERG!

And yes Bush is just as guilty as Obama in this economic malaise, but Obama has put the end of American Sovereignty ON HYPERDRIVE!

I am disappointed in you NEO-CONS here at Hot Air and even you Michelle. I was a liberal, turned conservative, now I guess I can be called a neo-libertarian.

BobAnthony on March 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM

221 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:08:54pm

re: #183 Last Mohican
Hi my friend - hey ya know what? The GWOT will stop only when we've killed all the terrorists. Period.
They can use any effin' name they want for it, but it is terrorism that we're fighting against.

222 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:09:02pm

re: #37 the1sgjohns

Perhaps you could get a car with a small boiler & run it on a small steam engine. The Stanley had only 11 moving parts in its power train.

A version of this engine held the land speed record for a number of years.

It would be cool to have steam cars again.

Good Night All.

223 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:09:34pm

speaking of armed civilians, my ex was in Grand Rapids MI and saw a billboard saying "another reason to catty a gun....policeman are too heavy"....with a picture of an old lady carrying a cop on her back...

224 stuiec  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:09:35pm

re: #78 Mich-again

"Room temperature" is an average. If you're creating cavitation with an electric current, there are some ions that are much, much "hotter" at the electrode -- that is, some deuterium ions will be hyperexcited, and it's therefore entirely plausible that they can smash into other deuterium ions and fuse.

225 Abu Bin Squid  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:09:36pm

re: #220 Charles

They forgot the sarc tag.
/

226 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:09:52pm

re: #192 Buster Bunny

Thats ok .. I'm learning newspeak. When they infringe our human rights by expressing themselves with Weapons of Mass Destruction, we will decide on a renovation of their major cities with the latest in cleansing technology.

The way things are going, it's looking more like we'll respond by sending them a formal apology for whatever we did to make them so pissed off at us. And maybe a set of DVDs.

227 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:10:28pm

re: #220 Charles

The mind turns to mush just reading stuff like that.

228 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:10:50pm
229 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:10:50pm

re: #220 Charles

This guy's on hyperdrive.

Bilderberg. That's the only word someone needs to say to me to tell me all I need to know to walk away, shaking my head.

230 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:11:11pm

re: #204 Dustyvet

Apocalypse alert: Barney Frank tells Code Pink to “grow up”

Duck! A flying pig!

231 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:11:24pm

Bilderbergers are the new Halliburtons.

232 Mister Ghost  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:12:05pm

Progress won't be made in cold fusion until Jimmy Carter declares it un-Christian...

233 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:12:25pm

re: #220 Charles

The bigger deception at work here:
Obama is hiding the secret of Hyperdrive!

234 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:12:45pm

re: #200 Dustyvet
Hey, no /s needed. Give 'em as many as you can!

235 Salem  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:12:51pm

re: #230 DisturbedEma

Duck! A flying pig!

A flying pig with a hilarious speech impediment!

236 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:13:07pm

re: #210 realwest

new Ducati 848 - WHERE?!? Link please!

See my #219. It is very droolable.

237 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:13:17pm

re: #204 Dustyvet

Apocalypse alert: Barney Frank tells Code Pink to “grow up”

OOOOOOH! CAT FIGHT!

238 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:13:20pm

re: #217 Taqiyyotomist

Every day its five new "what the f***?"s. Democrats put on one hell of a show, don't they? Every day.

Damn! Wow! Holy CRAP! No f*in way! You gotta be kiddin' me! Are you frikkin serious?!

Every day since inauguration, I've uttered these phrases, and more. Oh, much, much more. That I don't look perpetually surprised, all the time, like a frozen Steve Buscemi, is a testament to the immense control I have over my facial features.

I totally love that scene in SOPRANOS where his character gets blown away by Tony with a shotgun on the front porch.

Priceless expressions on both their faces.

239 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:14:15pm

re: #202 stevieray
Well the weather has been spectaculor lately (though we're in for colder, rainy weather for the next two days) otherwise same, same.
How come you're working so hard?

240 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:14:25pm

re: #231 rawmuse

Actually they were the old Haliburton, now back new and improved. All the wacky 90s conspiracy crap that disappeared after Clinton is now back. I hadn't heard anything about black helicopters, UN concentration camps, and the Bilderberg group or the Illuminati since 2001.

241 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:14:27pm

re: #231 rawmuse

Bilderbergers are the new Halliburtons.

They merged. Haven't you head. They're the Bilderhallibegerburtons. Hold the mayo.

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:14:28pm

Dear BobAnthony-

Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

243 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:14:46pm

New World Order: dolphins and tigers living together:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

244 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:15:08pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

Dear BobAnthony-

Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

It will get stuck, then we will have to yank it out, then burn the door.

245 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:15:20pm

re: #210 realwest

new Ducati 848 - WHERE?!? Link please!


Link later - if you like the picture - the color is a pearl white, subtle bright tints.

246 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:15:21pm

I go away for a few hours, come back and suddenly there's cold fusion.

247 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #243 jaunte

What a cool pic!

248 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #240 ArchangelMichael

Actually they were the old Haliburton, now back new and improved. All the wacky 90s conspiracy crap that disappeared after Clinton is now back. I hadn't heard anything about black helicopters, UN concentration camps, and the Bilderberg group or the Illuminati since 2001.

my coworker has been dropping the Bilderberg group into conversations since 2005

249 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:16:14pm

re: #207 Last Mohican
Wait a minute - are you SURE Obama thought the 9/11 attacks were a bad thing? I thought he thought it was cause we didn't talk to ME folks (other than Israel whom I KNOW he thinks we talk too much to) enough?

250 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:16:39pm

re: #211 Iron Fist

The Wisdom of the 2nd Amendment. Trouble is, I don't believe anymore that GOVT even fears the populace OR the states. We have a willfully elected oligarchy. The citizenry is either watching American Idol or shut out of the process--not necessarily by our own volition but by the sheer inertia of our federally elected regime.

251 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:16:51pm

re: #244 acwgusa

It will get stuck, then we will have to yank it out, then burn the door.

That's all part of the conspiracy! Shhhhh!

252 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:16:52pm

re: #240 ArchangelMichael

Well, the Illuminati are still around, at least one book has me listed as one.
It is to laugh...

253 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

Looks like the dolphin's blowing a thought balloon.

254 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:17:55pm

re: #220 Charles

From the comments at Hot Air's post about Alex Jones:

Talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs...

255 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:18:05pm

re: #251 Sharmuta

That's all part of the conspiracy! Shhhhh!

Behind the brown door, huh?

256 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:18:50pm

The art of paranoia:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

257 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:19:16pm

re: #231 rawmuse

I actually did like the Robert A Wilson books. I read them when I was 15 or 16, they were quite entertaining. Thing is, I knew they were fiction, whereas many among us took these to be truth, like they did with Da Vinci Code, and like they will do with whatever other lie-purveyor tells them what they want so desparately to hear. It's utterly amazing sometimes what people will believe. This coming from someone who believes that Moses really did encounter God in a bush. The Illuminati crowd is out there, with the Chupacabra crowd, the crystal-power crowd, the Burning Man crowd, the believe every damn thing ya hear (except truth even when irrefutably laid out) crowd. They want to believe they can levitate things. They want to believe the only reason they can't levitate things is that the Jews must be supressing their latent and crystal-derived powers so that they can control the world. I just made that up but I bet I could have 10 glossy magazines print up a "scholarly" essay to that effect within a week, and it'd be in Borders with the defectatory newage mags in a month.

258 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #250 JohnAdams

The Wisdom of the 2nd Amendment. Trouble is, I don't believe anymore that GOVT even fears the populace OR the states. We have a willfully elected oligarchy. The citizenry is either watching American Idol or shut out of the process--not necessarily by our own volition but by the sheer inertia of our federally elected regime.

New Order crowd control...I believe you and it depresses me sometimes...my kids are such go getters and I wonder what is in store for them

259 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:20:34pm

re: #256 jaunte

The art of paranoia:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Yeah, that's why Governor Corzine of New Jersey and John Edwards have both been attendees to several Bilderberg conferences.

260 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:20:37pm

re: #255 acwgusa

Behind the brown door, huh?

Should have gone with curtain #2!

261 Kragar  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:21:27pm

re: #260 Sharmuta

Should have gone with curtain #2!

I usually chose the green door

262 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:21:38pm

re: #219 acwgusa
Oh, wow (wipes slobber off chin) thank you VERY MUCH!

263 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #164 JohnAdams

The point is: This breakthrough or some other will happen. Scientific/Technological breakthroughs are occurring at an exponential rate.

True enough. There are a lot of cool technologies in development that threaten to make energy cleaner, renewable, and/or cheaper.

264 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:21:49pm

3 really great players do some classic blues

Youtube Video
265 Steffan  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:22:15pm

Courtesy of an Instalanche: Don Rickles roasts Congress and Obama.

Oh my God, look at you. Anyone else hurt in the accident?
Seriously, Senator Reid has a face of a Saint - A Saint Bernard.
Now I know why they call you the arithmetic man. You add partisanship, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

Reid is so physically unimposing, he makes Pee Wee Herman look like Mr. T.
And Reid's so dumb, he makes Speaker Pelosi look like an intellectual.
Nevada is soooo screwed!
If I were less polite, I'd say Reid makes Kevin Federline look successful.

Ouch. Ouch squared.

266 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:22:50pm

re: #262 realwest

Oh, wow (wipes slobber off chin) thank you VERY MUCH!

I know! This jewel makes me seriously reconsider my no new major purchases for 2009 rule!

267 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:23:25pm

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't me need to mine the moon or something to do this?

268 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:23:30pm

re: #220 Charles
Gee Charles, I think Bob Anthony has some, ah.......issues, ya know?
Even a clue bat isn't gonna help him.

269 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:23:32pm

re: #257 Taqiyyotomist

This is the book in which I am listed as an Illuminati, I have a copy of it.

270 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:23:43pm

re: #220 Charles

He's on the fence about 9/11 being an inside job? Then I'm on the fence about him being a nutjob. When he goes over his fence, I'll go over mine.

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:24:07pm

re: #269 rawmuse

This is the book in which I am listed as an Illuminati, I have a copy of it.

I think I would get a copy, too. I doubt the illuminati have ever heard my name.

272 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:24:17pm

There are also more than a few Hot Air readers who think Jimmy Carter was right about the Civil War:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Good freaking grief.

273 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:24:54pm

re: #269 rawmuse

My brain hurts even looking at that page, I quickly scanned the "related" titles. Gah!

274 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:25:00pm

re: #272 Charles

There are also more than a few Hot Air readers who think Jimmy Carter was right about the Civil War:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Good freaking grief.

Jimmy Carter and right do not belong in the same galaxy, let alone sentence.

275 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:25:00pm

re: #262 realwest

Oh, wow (wipes slobber off chin) thank you VERY MUCH!

Here you go real, this is a wallpaper of the 1098r - very serious bike

276 Macker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:25:19pm

re: #172 Salem

I think Walt Disney would be shitting his pants, once he stopped spinning around....

277 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:25:47pm

Long term exsposer to peanuts kills brain cells eh Jimmy Carter?

278 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:26:23pm

re: #267 DisgustingOratory

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't me need to mine the moon or something to do this?

Um. What?

279 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:26:36pm

Evening all. Night shift checking in. I finally caught up with the thread too. Several points. Hot fusion has always just been over the horizon and 10 to 20 years away. The main problem is cost in energy to maintain magnetic fields and temperatures to create reactions. There's two types of cold fusion. One is the type postulated by Dr. Bussard, and this type that the article talks about.

Some one mentioned the scientest whining about funding and that's why he went public. The main problem is since the 70's and Jimmah Effin Carter, government funding has been cut and reduced for any type of research. Thats right, when the U.S.A. was facing an energy crisis Carter put on his cardigan and slashed fusion funding.

Time for a Manhattan project and skunk works approach to energy.

280 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:27:02pm

re: #266 acwgusa

I know! This jewel makes me seriously reconsider my no new major purchases for 2009 rule!


A heart transplant is a major purchase, the 848 Pearl accomplishes the same result at far less cost - it's all relative.

281 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:27:09pm

I used an um. That's right. I did.

282 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:27:10pm

re: #249 realwest

Wait a minute - are you SURE Obama thought the 9/11 attacks were a bad thing? I thought he thought it was cause we didn't talk to ME folks (other than Israel whom I KNOW he thinks we talk too much to) enough?

Well, reading that New Yorker article, it seems like Obama feels that the 9/11 attackers couldn't help but do a naughty thing, because they were forced to live in poverty (while swimming in opulence in the obscenely wealthy state of Saudi Arabia), and because they felt helpless (presumably because the Jews control the world):

The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy... is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent.

I find myself particularly concerned about the part that I put in boldface. I admit that I don't watch BHO's teleprompter reading sessions very regularly, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard him acknowledge that there's any particular common theme to all the terrorists who are attacking us.

283 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:27:15pm

re: #267 DisgustingOratory

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't me need to mine the moon or something to do this?

Hard to say. They don't really know what 'this' is yet, just that it might be 'something.'

284 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:28:16pm

re: #250 JohnAdams
Hey JohnAdams - "not necessarily by our own volition but by the sheer inertia of our federally elected regime.voting public."
There FTFY!

285 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:28:35pm

re: #258 albusteve

New Order crowd control...I believe you and it depresses me sometimes...my kids are such go getters and I wonder what is in store for them

I can relate. At a certain point we live largely for our children. I don't even concern myself that at this point my kids think I've become a cranky old man in plain sight. They are going to hear my shite! My Dad is now in his 80s and has mellowed quite a bit...even he is taken aback at my outrage. But he was way more than I at his age! Basically, we take on an unrequited responsibility.

286 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:28:38pm

re: #280 Panhandler

A heart transplant is a major purchase, the 848 Pearl accomplishes the same result at far less cost - it's all relative.

Let's see. No girlfriend or wife to say no, enough savings, gorgeous bike...

hmm.

287 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:28:45pm

But why would me have to mine the moon?

288 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:29:22pm

re: #239 realwest

Well the weather has been spectaculor lately (though we're in for colder, rainy weather for the next two days) otherwise same, same.
How come you're working so hard?

A month ago I "volunteered" to helping my dad add a master bath to his house, and the project went from being a cheap, basic bath (fiberglass shower stall, vinyl floor, etc...) to one with tile everywhere, new lighting (hi hats and wall sconces, u.v. heat lamps), new venting, etc...

And I've still got to keep my regular work going... I had a bungalow stripped down to the studs, and it needed to be ready for an April 1st rental.

289 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:29:29pm

#278 Taqiyyotomist

I think this requires Helium 3, which is hard to come by here. Maybe Im thinking of something else, sorry.

290 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:29:38pm

re: #272 Charles

Good grief indeed.

291 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:29:42pm

re: #280 Panhandler

Perhaps a disclaimer is in order, I work in the Service Department of a Ducati/Triumph dealership. Haven't ridden a Pearl 848 since this afternoon.

292 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:29:49pm

One of these metals can only be found on the moon? That don't sound like cheap power.

293 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:31:02pm

re: #289 DisgustingOratory

(sorry 'bout the dig on your typo, couldn't help it) :)

294 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:31:25pm

This interesting stuff, indeed. If fusion is actually occurring, you should get a shower of neutrons, which are not released by normal chemical reactions, which only involve an atom's electron shell.

The way to test this, would be to duplicate the process, using some other kind of neutron detector than the plastic chip used as described in the article.

If it can be proven that fusion is taking place, then perhaps it will be possible to determine how and why it is happening, and design apparatus to optimize the process. Then maybe we can move this out of the laboratory and into the marketplace.

As an aside, here's my proposal for a "warm fusion" experiment: Construct a vacuum tube, kind of like a cross between an X-ray tube and a cathode-ray tube (e.g. TV picture tube). One end of the tube would contain a "target electrode" composed of platinum and/or palladium on a copper substrate. The copper would contain cooling passages, through which water could be circulated. The other end of the tube would contain an ion gun, a device to strip the electrons off deuterium atoms and accelerate the resulting positively-charged deuterons toward the target, which would be run at a high negative potential relative to the ion gun. Hopefully, deuterons would be adsorbed into the surface of the noble-metal coating on the target, and would eventually become sufficiently concentrated there that successive deuterons would impact upon them, with enough energy to overcome electrostatic repulsion, and permit fusion to take place. It seems that the platinum-group metals in existing cold-fusion apparatus act to somehow counter the electrostatic repulsion between like-charged deuterons. It is this electrostatic repulsion which is the basis of the huge energy barrier that has to be overcome to initiate a fusion reaction.

Anyway, most of the above is just speculation on my part. But the apparatus I describe would be pretty easy for any properly-equipped physics lab to construct and operate.

It might also interest some Lizards to do a Web search for "Farnsworth Fusor."

295 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:32:13pm

re: #272 Charles

There are also more than a few Hot Air readers who think Jimmy Carter was right about the Civil War:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Good freaking grief.

I get that sometimes at home. My mother was raised in the South. Down there, many people are still irked about the Civil War.

296 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:32:25pm

re: #272 Charles

There are also more than a few Hot Air readers who think Jimmy Carter was right about the Civil War:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Good freaking grief.

"FMR" is what comes to my mind.....

/funny that way

297 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:32:26pm

re: #279 BlueCanuck

Evening all. Night shift checking in. I finally caught up with the thread too. Several points. Hot fusion has always just been over the horizon and 10 to 20 years away. The main problem is cost in energy to maintain magnetic fields and temperatures to create reactions. There's two types of cold fusion. One is the type postulated by Dr. Bussard, and this type that the article talks about.

Some one mentioned the scientest whining about funding and that's why he went public. The main problem is since the 70's and Jimmah Effin Carter, government funding has been cut and reduced for any type of research. Thats right, when the U.S.A. was facing an energy crisis Carter put on his cardigan and slashed fusion funding.

Time for a Manhattan project and skunk works approach to energy.

OT but general apologies for the dipshits who dissed the Canadian effort in Afghanistan. Shameful. We treasure our neighbors to the north.

298 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #279 BlueCanuck

Well, that's not quite accurate. Bussard's polywell fusion devices are hot fusion, just more efficiently designed.

299 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:33:22pm

re: #279 BlueCanuck

"Time for a Manhattan project and skunk works approach to energy."

If we could only get Obama and the Congress to abandon their current Manhattan projects, "service learning" and community organizing.

300 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:33:43pm

re: #286 acwgusa

Let's see. No girlfriend or wife to say no, enough savings, gorgeous bike...

hmm.

Now, where did I put my checkbook?

301 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:33:55pm

re: #267 DisgustingOratory

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't me need to mine the moon or something to do this?

To get helium-3 for an aneutronic fusion reaction we would need to mine it from someplace that is not shielded from solar wind, such as the moon, or where it is found naturally, namely Jupiter and Saturn. Aneutronic fusion reactions do not cause the reactor to lining to become radioactive and wear out requiring frequent replacement. Fusion is possible without using helium-3 and instead using deuterium but it produces neutrons and radioactive products when done that way.

302 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:02pm

re: #288 stevieray

A month ago I "volunteered" to helping my dad add a master bath to his house, and the project went from being a cheap, basic bath (fiberglass shower stall, vinyl floor, etc...) to one with tile everywhere, new lighting (hi hats and wall sconces, u.v. heat lamps), new venting, etc...

And I've still got to keep my regular work going... I had a bungalow stripped down to the studs, and it needed to be ready for an April 1st rental.

bathrooms can be very expensive...I've made a good living building them, and other stuff too...high end baths are way cool

303 Totally Berserk  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:13pm

Soylent Green IS PEOPLE... It's PEOPLE!

304 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:18pm

re: #297 JohnAdams

Merci beaucoup. I have been seeing a lot of your attitude on the net. Black Five had a couple of write ups about it. It would have been funny, if the timing had been better.

305 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:19pm

So today's cast of characters includes:

Barack Obama
Timothy Geithner
Maxine Waters
Alex Jones
Lew Rockwell
Ron Paul

All of whom I've listened to today at various lengths.

I really should make it a point to listen to more people with sound minds and ideas. If I do this on a daily basis I may need to be committed to an asylum.

306 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:20pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I get that sometimes at home. My mother was raised in the South. Down there, many people are still irked about the Civil War.

yeah, but how could anything besides the kitchen petunia believe that Peanut was right about anything?

307 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:30pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I get that sometimes at home. My mother was raised in the South. Down there, many people are still irked about the Civil War.

Mine too. "That goddam SHERMAN!"
As if it just happened last week. No kidding.

308 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #297 JohnAdams

OT but general apologies for the dipshits who dissed the Canadian effort in Afghanistan. Shameful. We treasure our neighbors to the north.

Sounds like I missed out on a eventful day. Can anyone tell me what happened?

309 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:06pm

re: #294 Alberta Oil Peon

I'm feeling chimp-stupid right about now.

310 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #294 Alberta Oil Peon


It might also interest some Lizards to do a Web search for "Farnsworth Fusor."

Good news everyone!

311 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:42pm

re: #309 Taqiyyotomist

I'm feeling chimp-stupid right about now.

I am an expert with light switches myself

312 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:46pm

Hey Dustyvet - if y'all are still here you're gonna love this one (as will all Veterans!): [Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

313 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #299 Taqiyyotomist

"Time for a Manhattan project and skunk works approach to energy."

If we could only get Obama and the Congress to abandon their current Manhattan projects, "service learning" and community organizing.

hell, if we could get them to drink a few more Manhattans, they'd be under the table and the rest of us could go back to w*rk after lunch. %-)

314 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:35:57pm

#293 Taqiyyotomist

Damn I switched my keyboard layout to Dvorak style and the 'M' is next to the 'W' - i do that all the time (thankfully O is no longer next to 0)

315 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:36:09pm

re: #298 Dar ul Harb

It I think is still a lot cooler then what they are attempting in the tokamaks. Either way, more research and testing needs to be done.

316 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:36:11pm

re: #309 Taqiyyotomist

re: #311 albusteve

Here's how I feel:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

317 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:36:44pm

re: #300 acwgusa

Now, where did I put my checkbook?

SOK - we can get some great finance rates - the economy you know.

318 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:37:28pm

re: #313 redc1c4

hell, if we could get them to drink a few more Manhattans, they'd be under the table and the rest of us could go back to w*rk after lunch. %-)

"Alcohol, the cause and solution to all of lifes problems". :Homer Simpson.

319 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:37:34pm

anyone diggin the gig at the Beacon in NYC?....I yam


Youtube Video
320 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:37:36pm

re: #307 rawmuse

Mine too. "That goddam SHERMAN!"
As if it just happened last week. No kidding.

And yet, despite their helplessness and despair, they haven't started hijacking airliners and flying them into skyscrapers.

Furthermore, I have met some Southerners who were very very poor. And they too haven't flown any planes into buildings.

I'm starting to suspect that maybe Obama is wrong, and that sort of behavior really is linked to "a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity."

321 Neutral President  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:38:25pm

re: #294 Alberta Oil Peon

It might also interest some Lizards to do a Web search for "Farnsworth Fusor."

Was that something revealed in the beginning of a Futurama episode following the "Good news everyone! I have a new invention called a..." exclaimation by Professor Farnsworth.

322 Salem  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:38:27pm

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I get that sometimes at home. My mother was raised in the South. Down there, many people are still irked about the Civil War.

(a.k.a.-the War of Northern Aggression)

323 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:38:35pm

re: #312 realwest

Hey Dustyvet - if y'all are still here you're gonna love this one (as will all Veterans!): [Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

yup.... funny as hell: i sent to to my 6, and she laughed too.

324 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:38:37pm

re: #317 Panhandler

SOK - we can get some great finance rates - the economy you know.

I can just see the Obama Fun Tax.

"Nice Bike, shame if anything happened to it."

325 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #322 Salem

aka "The Great Unpleasantness"

326 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:39:07pm

re: #316 jaunte

re: #311 albusteve

Here's how I feel:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

haha!...me too

327 dkorta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:39:07pm

Forget about cold fusion. Everyone knows it's implementation would be catastrophic for the cross-eyed tit-mouse.
/

328 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #307 rawmuse

Mine too. "That goddam SHERMAN!"
As if it just happened last week. No kidding.

I have no doubt it happened. I often cite General Sherman approvingly, just to needle my mother. Its not that nice, but sometimes I can't help myself.

329 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:39:34pm

re: #302 albusteve

bathrooms can be very expensive...I've made a good living building them, and other stuff too...high end baths are way cool

Well, looks like I'm back into the kitchen/baths business too. Not many companies are hiring right now, so I guess I'm hanging out my shingle again. Self-employed once again!

330 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:15pm

re: #282 Last Mohican
Well of course there's a common theme, Obama said it right in your quoted piece: " derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine" See that's not hard to understand!
First they attack the Great Satan - a few times before 9/11 just to test drive it, then they attack us, then, because of their fundamental lack of empathy they attack fellow Muslims!
Oh geez, man I really hope Obama doesn't believe this shit or THE WORLD is in Deep Shit.

331 Totally Berserk  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:25pm

re: #33 lurking faith

Since I remember cold fusion being announced around 20 years ago, in a study that nobody ever was able to reproduce, I think I'll wait for confirmation. And I won't be holding my breath either.

It would be really cool if it turns out to be doable, though.

Pons & Fleischer, 'nuff said?

332 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:40pm

re: #325 rawmuse

aka "The Great Unpleasantness"

aka "The War That Ended 144 Years Ago and the South Lost"

//

333 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:57pm

re: #321 ArchangelMichael

Was that something revealed in the beginning of a Futurama episode following the "Good news everyone! I have a new invention called a..." exclaimation by Professor Farnsworth.

I've seen one or two episodes of Futurama, but I'm not acquainted with all the cast of characters.

The Farnsworth Fusor was an actual device, invented by Philo T. Farnsworth, who held a number of physics-related patents, and it did apparently emit neutrons.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:57pm

I like the guy on HotAir who points out that "In immmediately pre-Victorian Britain slavery, 12-year old prostitutes and innummerable other vices were commonplace and totally acceptable," as part of the proof that the Victorians were better than, I suppose, the Regency types.

Too bad he never researched the state of prostitution and work condition in Victorian England. They didn't stop exploiting people, they just got too nice to talk about it.

335 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:40:59pm

Obama is a man of leftist cliches. He is more shallow than anyone can possibly imagine. Has anyone, I mean anyone, asked him what the last book he read was?

The answer, of course, is his two autobiographies.

He is a cartoon President.

336 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:41:33pm

re: #327 dkorta

Forget about cold fusion. Everyone knows it's implementation would be catastrophic for the cross-eyed tit-mouse.
/

Like the buggy whip, it would eventually put a whole lotta folks into new lines of work. To put a really positive spin on it.

337 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:41:55pm

re: #335 pat

Obama is a man of leftist cliches. He is more shallow than anyone can possibly imagine. Has anyone, I mean anyone, asked him what the last book he read was?

The answer, of course, is his two autobiographies.

He is a cartoon President.

"Be vewwy, vewwy, quiet. I'm hunting wich people."

338 Panhandler  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:41:58pm

re: #324 acwgusa

I can just see the Obama Fun Tax.

"Nice Bike, shame if anything happened to it."

You'll have to park it until the Unicorn Fusion Vespa is released - a bargain at a mere $1.2 mil, plus tax & tag.

339 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:42:14pm

re: #336 Taqiyyotomist

Rather, like the auto did to the buggy whip industry.

340 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:42:59pm

re: #336 Taqiyyotomist

Watch Obama start talking up galley ships as a healthy alternative to tankers.

341 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:00pm

Teamsters would definitely oppose teleportation.

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:14pm

re: #307 rawmuse

Mine too. "That goddam SHERMAN!"
As if it just happened last week. No kidding.

A rabbi my mother used to work with was assigned to do student work at a small synagogue in Georgia. He did fine, once he worked out that when they mentioned the 'woah', they did not mean the Second World War. Well, that, and the week he came out to the congration. After that, he did fine.

343 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:17pm

re: #338 Panhandler

You'll have to park it until the Unicorn Fusion Vespa is released - a bargain at a mere $1.2 mil, plus tax & tag.

Unicorn Fart Fuel not included.

/I swear, the phrase unicorn fart is funny to me. I just hit 30, and it makes me laugh like a 5 year old.

344 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:23pm

re: #304 BlueCanuck

Merci beaucoup. I have been seeing a lot of your attitude on the net. Black Five had a couple of write ups about it. It would have been funny, if the timing had been better.

I'm not gonna be all stereotypical on you, assuming you're a hockey fan and all, but in chance that you are...I LOVE hockey. Big Red Wings fan. But if we can't win it again, would love to see the Cup go back to Canada. Who do you like? The Habs look pretty good. Maybe Calgary?

345 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:32pm

Drudge is reporting that congress is thinking of letting the newspapers convert to non-profit educational status. One catch: No endorsing candidates.

So, we'll save you, but neuter you in the process.

346 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:43:54pm

re: #324 acwgusa

I can just see the Obama Fun Tax.

"Nice Bike, shame if anything happened to it."

"Nice Bike: shame if someone got fucked up trying to mess with it."

347 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:44:00pm

re: #340 pat

LOL you mean with slaves at the oars, the old heave-ho and a drummer? LOL!

348 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:44:28pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Drudge is reporting that congress is thinking of letting the newspapers convert to non-profit educational status. One catch: No endorsing candidates.

So, we'll save you, but neuter you in the process.

There's just one problem. Papers haven't been educational for YEARS.

349 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:44:43pm

re: #344 JohnAdams

I'm not gonna be all stereotypical on you, assuming you're a hockey fan and all, but in chance that you are...I LOVE hockey. Big Red Wings fan. But if we can't win it again, would love to see the Cup go back to Canada. Who do you like? The Habs look pretty good. Maybe Calgary?

Look no further than this avatar.

350 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:44:44pm

re: #341 Taqiyyotomist

Teamsters would definitely oppose teleportation.

unless they ran them.....

"Whadaya mean that's not your torso!?"

351 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:45:07pm

re: #329 stevieray

Well, looks like I'm back into the kitchen/baths business too. Not many companies are hiring right now, so I guess I'm hanging out my shingle again. Self-employed once again!

same here...I've done really well in ABQ but nothing is shaking right now...nadda

352 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:45:47pm

re: #272 Charles
Well, OTOH, you do have Christian Conservative who said

You know what was unChristian? To let all those hostages rot in terrorist captivity for 444 days. To let inflation rob seniors of their retirement. To use a funeral to bad-mouth the sitting President. To aid and abet the enemy while we are at war by putting down our country’s policies while overseas. To be such a miserable President we had to coin a misery index during his Presidency.


Don't want to incur your wrath Charles, but I have a really hard time arguing against that!

353 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:45:55pm

re: #344 JohnAdams

Marty, is that you?

354 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:46:12pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

If the Dems can succeed in getting rid of presidential term limits and the electoral college (there are two bills working their way into the beast), then we won't have to worry about an archaic concept like "candidates", now will we?

355 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #351 albusteve

same here...I've done really well in ABQ but nothing is shaking right now...nadda

Eh, don't worry. The "green jobs" are just around the corner!

Let's see raking leaves, cutting grass...

//

356 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:46:34pm

re: #347 Taqiyyotomist

LOL you mean with slaves at the oars, the old heave-ho and a drummer? LOL!

Lots of fun. Good work out. Hey. Maybe we could get the girls involved? Obama thinking.

357 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:46:57pm

re: #354 Taqiyyotomist

If the Dems can succeed in getting rid of presidential term limits and the electoral college (there are two bills working their way into the beast), then we won't have to worry about an archaic concept like "candidates", now will we?

There will always be candidates. The party candidate, and the guy to get 2% to prove we had a "real" election.

358 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:47:00pm

re: #344 JohnAdams

Alas, I am a bad Canadian. I don't watch hockey, can't ice skate, and I hate winter. :)


/but I do like my beers.

359 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:47:19pm

re: #335 pat

He is a cartoon President.

I heard someone on the radio this morning refer to him as Erkel.

360 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:47:29pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like I missed out on a eventful day. Can anyone tell me what happened?

Just saw the headline but some Fox news creeps were joking about the Canadian military in general, in light of a few Canadian soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan. This blows my ing cap. First, Canada has been a stand-up ally in Afghanistan. Second, the whole ing world needs to 40 times the effort there and we can succeed...we don't need to be pissing off a country that is actually contributing.

361 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:47:38pm

re: #350 redc1c4

unless they ran them.....

"Whadaya mean that's not your torso!?"

Enterprise, what we got back, didn't live long... fortunately.

362 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:47:42pm

re: #288 stevieray
Whoa! Hey, y'all gonna make that April 1 deadline?

363 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:48:03pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Eh, don't worry. The "green jobs" are just around the corner!

Let's see raking leaves, cutting grass...

//

my plan was to go down to old Mexico and dwell my days away between there and Jamaica....NOT....back to work if I can find it...I'm pissed

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:48:17pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Eh, don't worry. The "green jobs" are just around the corner!

Let's see raking leaves, cutting grass...

//

Sorry, those jobs are reserved for Illegal Immigrants future democratic voters.

365 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:48:31pm

re: #220 Charles

What, no Trilateral Commission?

/conspiracy piker

366 pat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:48:36pm

re: #359 solomonpanting

Damn, I loved Erkel. I would take him any day.

367 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:48:55pm

re: #358 BlueCanuck

Alas, I am a bad Canadian. I don't watch hockey, can't ice skate, and I hate winter. :)

/but I do like my beers.

which is why you're welcome on your visit..... when is that, BTW?

368 Macker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:49:13pm

re: #344 JohnAdams

A MILLION up-dings for you. LET'S GO RED WINGS!

/clap-clap-clapclapclap

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:49:14pm

Dude. If a Stormtrooper has better rhythm than you...

/I can't judge. I can't dance. She's still hot.
//even hotter, IMO.

370 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:49:38pm

re: #363 albusteve

my plan was to go down to old Mexico and dwell my days away between there and Jamaica....NOT....back to work if I can find it...I'm pissed

Yeah, the irony is that retiring in Mexico will be the only thing we can afford after Obama gets done with his programs, programs, programs.

371 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #359 solomonpanting

I heard someone on the radio this morning refer to him as Erkel.

call me biased, but i have a father's love for "Ear Leader"

/but Bam Bam w*rks %-)

372 Macker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:02pm

re: #366 pat

Damn, I loved Erkel. I would take him any day.

Dang, he'd run the country better than that Demo☭rat in the White House.

373 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:12pm

re: #307 rawmuse

Mine too. "That goddam SHERMAN!"
As if it just happened last week. No kidding.

Y'all talking about The Recent Unpleasantness?!
/

374 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:19pm

re: #315 BlueCanuck

It I think is still a lot cooler then what they are attempting in the tokamaks. Either way, more research and testing needs to be done.

After watching about half of Bussard's Google Tech Talk lecture, I was under the impression that what they were trying to do is to use an electrical potential well to concentrate ions at the center of their reactor, sort of like a converging particle accelerator, which allows them to overcome the fact that in the usual toroidal/tokamak device the plasma has a Maxwellian energy distribution (i.e. only a small fraction of the plasma has the energy to fuse). In the polywell device the energy distribution is supposed to be much more uniform, so collisions that cause fusion should happen more efficiently.

Basically, they're using the electrical potential well to do the work that gravity does in a star to help contain and focus the fusion...

375 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:29pm

re: #360 JohnAdams

Just saw the headline but some Fox news creeps were joking about the Canadian military in general, in light of a few Canadian soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan. This blows my ing cap. First, Canada has been a stand-up ally in Afghanistan. Second, the whole ing world needs to 40 times the effort there and we can succeed...we don't need to be pissing off a country that is actually contributing.

Ticks me off too. Canada has been doing work that few other nations would do. Canada has been a faithful ally against Islamist Terror and any attempt to demean that effort should be urinated on like the toilet water it is.

376 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:30pm

vintage ABB....

Youtube Video
377 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:45pm

re: #367 redc1c4

Sorry, I didn't get back to you on that. I'm not coming down. Meeting was back about 3 weeks ago, and I bowed out of it before hand. Let's just say there was a clash of personalities and I distanced myself from an asshole.

378 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:50pm

I've known fans of really hard rock. When you mention a band they really like a lot, it goes thusly:
Q:Yeah I like a lot of different stuff, some jazz, a bit of Pante--
A:Pantera! F**k yeah!

We should all be like that when someone even

mentions

the Military forces of our allies.
CANADA! F**K YEAH!

379 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:50:56pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, those jobs are reserved for Illegal Immigrants future democratic voters.

Summer jobs programs? I think it's great that all those Democrats that never had a job before will be WORKING HARD in the summer.

///

380 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:51:01pm

re: #351 albusteve

same here...I've done really well in ABQ but nothing is shaking right now...nadda

Things may be starting back up here in Jersey. The blueprinting shop next door says business is picking up a bit... slowly... but noticeably better than a few months ago.

I guess I can make a living at it again, but I'm gettin' too old. I'd rather get another cushy office job, with bennies and pretty secretaries, but there's not much hiring going on in those jobs yet.

381 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:51:26pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Drudge is reporting that congress is thinking of letting the newspapers convert to non-profit educational status. One catch: No endorsing candidates.

Sure, fill your pages with nonstop glowing praise of the Democratic candidates, and hurtful, unsubstantiated rumors about the Republican ones. And censor out anything that might possibly hurt the Democrats' chances of being elected. But you'll have to remove your editorial page, because it's not fair for you to endorse any candidates.

But you'd better be careful about not let anything negative about any Democrats slip into your newspaper, because then we might take away your non-profit status.

I can't believe this is actually happening in America.

382 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:51:40pm

re: #319 albusteve
Huh, gig at the Beacon - when?

383 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:51:42pm

re: #360 JohnAdams

Just saw the headline but some Fox news creeps were joking about the Canadian military in general, in light of a few Canadian soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan. This blows my ing cap. First, Canada has been a stand-up ally in Afghanistan. Second, the whole ing world needs to 40 times the effort there and we can succeed...we don't need to be pissing off a country that is actually contributing.

that's all been sorted out, at least somewhat. we objected, shit head apologized, and it looks like the Canadians said "what can you expect from Americans....."

384 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:52:03pm

re: #373 realwest

The Woah! of course.
The war which lasted 4 years but began and ended on the property of the same man.
And that man's name was...?

385 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:52:04pm

re: #378 Taqiyyotomist

And I'm not kidding.

386 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:52:12pm

re: #371 redc1c4

call me biased, but i have a father's love for "Ear Leader"

As do I for 'Hussein Dolt'...

387 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:52:49pm

re: #377 BlueCanuck

Sorry, I didn't get back to you on that. I'm not coming down. Meeting was back about 3 weeks ago, and I bowed out of it before hand. Let's just say there was a clash of personalities and I distanced myself from an asshole.

me, or the other guy?

/white smoke

388 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:53:03pm

re: #323 redc1c4
Thanks, glad you and you're 6 enjoyed it. I swear, Day By Day is a must read internet only comic strip!

389 jaunte  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:53:20pm

re: #378 Taqiyyotomist


CANADA! F**K YEAH!


[Link: www.listafterlist.com...]

390 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:53:27pm

re: #370 Gus 802

Yeah, the irony is that retiring in Mexico will be the only thing we can afford after Obama gets done with his programs, programs, programs.

and both places are becoming very dangerous....Jamaica I know like the back of my hand but it's getting bad down there...if you own property they assume you are a millionaire and that has it's own consequences...mostly bad

391 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:53:36pm

re: #349 Fenway_Nation

Look no further than this avatar.

Love the old-time Bruins! Great brawls with the Rangers and Habs. Didn't y'all have Phil Esposito? And Gary Cheevers? Of course, Bobby Orr is on par with Goridie Howe. Gotta say though, the Bruins haven't been relevant in a few decades. They have a good team this year though. Bruins-Wings for the Cup would be dynamite.

392 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:53:41pm

re: #387 redc1c4

LOL, the other guy. You are a kinda of asshole I can drink with.

393 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:54:24pm

re: #381 Last Mohican

Sure, fill your pages with nonstop glowing praise of the Democratic candidates, and hurtful, unsubstantiated rumors about the Republican ones. And censor out anything that might possibly hurt the Democrats' chances of being elected. But you'll have to remove your editorial page, because it's not fair for you to endorse any candidates.

But you'd better be careful about not let anything negative about any Democrats slip into your newspaper, because then we might take away your non-profit status.

I can't believe this is actually happening in America.

have another drink: sooner or later it will cut through.

394 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:54:30pm

re: #389 jaunte

That's what I'm talking about.

395 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:54:34pm

re: #366 pat

Damn, I loved Erkel. I would take him any day.

I suspect has as qualified as The Big O.

396 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:54:40pm

re: #272 Charles

There are also more than a few Hot Air readers who think Jimmy Carter was right about the Civil War:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Good freaking grief.

What if the slaves were Palestinians? What would Carter's position be then?

397 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:54:55pm

re: #353 redc1c4

Marty, is that you?

No sir. But I hope you find him!

398 stevieray  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:10pm

re: #362 realwest

Whoa! Hey, y'all gonna make that April 1 deadline?

Yep. Did the final spackling today, I'll sand it out tomorrow... probably get the outlets and switches in place too. The painters will be there this weekend.

No problem!

399 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:17pm

This is almost certain to be a mistake. Delicate experimental results that contradict much of what we think we know about physics fall into the category of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Any little thing not measured right, any little confounding factor, could throw off the result and make it a mirage. That's far, far more likely than that the whole theoretical framework is nuts.

400 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:22pm

re: #388 realwest

Thanks, glad you and you're 6 enjoyed it. I swear, Day By Day is a must read internet only comic strip!

that and MegaTokyo

401 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:26pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

Ticks me off too. Canada has been doing work that few other nations would do. Canada has been a faithful ally against Islamist Terror and any attempt to demean that effort should be urinated on like the toilet water it is.

Right now, George Galloway, who recently made a large contribution to a terrorist group, is in the midst of his lecture tour across America. Canada is the country that wouldn't let him in.

402 solomonpanting  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:46pm

re: #395 solomonpanting

...he's as qualified...

403 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:55:49pm

re: #391 JohnAdams

Bruins/Flames....because I've never been to Alberta before.

404 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:56:04pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon
Hey, try to be nicer. Really. I regret that there ever was a civil war but glad that once there was one the North won. Very Glad. I have some things to say about Sherman, however - one's I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy.

405 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:56:11pm

re: #397 JohnAdams

No sir. But I hope you find him!

don't call me "Sir" and he wouldn't admit it if he was..... OPSEC.

406 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:57:23pm

Goodnight Lizards. Hope you have this fusion thing figured out by morning. It looks like you might, from here. :)

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:57:26pm

re: #320 Last Mohican

And yet, despite their helplessness and despair, they haven't started hijacking airliners and flying them into skyscrapers.

Furthermore, I have met some Southerners who were very very poor. And they too haven't flown any planes into buildings.

I'm starting to suspect that maybe Obama is wrong, and that sort of behavior really is linked to "a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity."

The poverty thing drives me insane. I mean, the attribution of terrorism to desperate poverty, despite the high social status and economic security of well, an awful lot of recent high-profile terrorists.

But I don't think Islam, or Arabicity, or anything else like that is the sole explanation. There's a movement right now, a global Jihadi movement with conscious goals. It's not a 'coincidence' that those who serve it are products of the culture it reared out of.

At the same time, I have a problem with people who then view all of Islamic history in the light of current evil bastards. Does Nazi Germany invalidate all of German religion and history before it sparked? Is Korean culture always going to produce North Korea, or Cambodia the Pol Pot regime, or do they get a pass because we can blame it on the Marxists? (Wait, Marx, Germany--it's the Germans' fault! All of it!)

I think, gasp, in terms of those words, Obama is correct. He's just not totally honest about what the current situation is.

408 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:57:28pm

re: #382 realwest

Huh, gig at the Beacon - when?

just a few weeks ago...the ABB storm the Beacon every year for several nights....it's become a tradition for them and they sell out every show....it's a monster gig...lots of guest players....my buddy taped these and posted them...I have some severe music friends...heh

409 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:58:26pm

re: #368 Macker

The silly season is almost over. Time to play some real hockey.

410 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:58:50pm

re: #404 realwest

Hey, try to be nicer. Really. I regret that there ever was a civil war but glad that once there was one the North won. Very Glad. I have some things to say about Sherman, however - one's I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy.

Sherman did what needed to be done, and he, as much as anyone, recognized the cruelty of what that was. that didn't stop him from doing what needed to be done, unlike say, the pause at the Falaise Gap, or the 100 hour halt at the end of Desert Storm, or.......

411 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:58:54pm

For what it's worth, here's the Wiki entry on the Farnsworth Fusor.

It actually does fuse deuterium, and yield a neutron flux, but it falls far short of being an energy source. But if you are handy, you can build one in your home workshop. Kewl, eh?

412 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:59:55pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

Ticks me off too. Canada has been doing work that few other nations would do. Canada has been a faithful ally against Islamist Terror and any attempt to demean that effort should be urinated on like the toilet water it is.

Have you seen the video in question? It was actually done on Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld.

413 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:00:35pm

re: #345 EmmmieG
Ah heck EmmmieG - that's crap - newspapers show their bias in their REPORTING of the news, they don't have to endorse anyone for folks to know who they want to win.
And subsidising newspapers is, I'm convinced, a violation of the first Amendment, just as would be abrogating the right to worship (or not worship) the religion of your own choice.
Or saying it's ok to teach ID/creationism in public schools.

414 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:01:22pm

re: #411 Alberta Oil Peon

For what it's worth, here's the Wiki entry on the Farnsworth Fusor.

It actually does fuse deuterium, and yield a neutron flux, but it falls far short of being an energy source. But if you are handy, you can build one in your home workshop. Kewl, eh?

Hi all, I was busy watching basketball and missed the lively discussion re this cold fusion.
Can this even possibly be true?

415 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:02:06pm

re: #348 acwgusa
Neither have a lot of educational institutions. Like, say, The Columbia School of Journalism.

416 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:03:18pm

re: #415 realwest

Neither have a lot of educational institutions. Like, say, The Columbia School of Journalism.

Don't they have ads in the back of comic books?

417 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:03:52pm

re: #404 realwest

Hey, try to be nicer. Really. I regret that there ever was a civil war but glad that once there was one the North won. Very Glad. I have some things to say about Sherman, however - one's I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy.

I do try to be nice, and will try harder. As for Sherman, say what you will. I'm up for a good historical argument.

418 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:03:58pm

Wilmer MacLean. I always did like that story.

419 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:04:04pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Drudge is reporting that congress is thinking of letting the newspapers convert to non-profit educational status. One catch: No endorsing candidates.

So, we'll save you, but neuter you in the process.

Snort. They'll be just as non-partisan as NPR!

420 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:04:25pm

re: #413 realwest

This is the same congress that just wanted to pass that 90% tax law. We aren't talking about sharp tacks here.

Would allowing them to declare themselves non-profit be a subsidy? I totally agree they aren't unbiased now, and I definitely think this is dangerous territory. We don't need newspapers having to have the government telling them what to do, and the deal is that they would declare themselves non-profit, but have to drop things like endorsements. That would be too much "friendly supervision" from the government for my taste.

/they're non-profits now, snark.

421 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:12pm

Wait, I like General Sherman. He at least understood war and how to end it quick.

422 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:25pm

re: #414 Wishing

Hi all, I was busy watching basketball and missed the lively discussion re this cold fusion.
Can this even possibly be true?

it's fake....go find some cello necks if you want a hot meal

423 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:35pm

Nationalize the news industry...heck that is right there in the Constitution, isn't it?

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:41pm

re: #384 rawmuse

The Woah! of course.
The war which lasted 4 years but began and ended on the property of the same man.
And that man's name was...?

Who is Wilmer McLean?

(Had to look that up. I kept thinking about Fort Sumter and getting confused. But I did look it up!)

425 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:47pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Have you seen the video in question? It was actually done on Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld.

Which is comedy, and therefore immune. Why not go after SNL for all they've done over the years?

426 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:05:51pm

re: #405 redc1c4

don't call me "Sir" and he wouldn't admit it if he was..... OPSEC.

Sorry! You and realwest will cure me of the "sir" habit. Only true mensch need apply here.

427 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:06:12pm

re: #414 Wishing

Hi all, I was busy watching basketball and missed the lively discussion re this cold fusion.
Can this even possibly be true?

I think the jury is still out on "cold" fusion, but the report referenced above seems to be a lot better supported than the work of Pons and Fleischman, who may have found something, but the poor quality of their work sank their efforts.

But the Farnsworth Fusor is the real deal. It actually does work, to the extent that it produces fusion reactions, and the resulting neutrons. But it requires a lot more energy to run it, than can be taken out of it.

428 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:06:20pm

re: #44 taxfreekiller

Its a water planet.
Use the water.
The Navy Rules.
Global Warming is a lie and a fraud by commies to take your stuff.

To get this to the point of usable, 30 years or more.

Drill, explore, use coal. Vote Harry Reid out so's we can use the f'n nuke power we have now.

Commie Democrats want you poor, dumb and broke. They want you on their dole, they do not want you to have cheap power unless they control the nobs that make it work.

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]
Liberty and Tyranny

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

429 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:06:34pm

re: #422 albusteve

it's fake....go find some cello necks if you want a hot meal

Well it sure sounds like they found some neutron debris, but don't know how it got there. This sounds like the Disco Institute idea of science, eh?

430 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:07:32pm

re: #425 Silvergirl

Which is comedy, and therefore immune. Why not go after SNL for all they've done over the years?

You'd think. I just watched the video and read the reasoning behind the humor and I think the whole thin has been blown way out of proportion. It's related to the "1 year break" they're talking about come 2011. Greg Gutfeld of all people has supported the war on both fronts including the military over the years.

431 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:07:39pm

re: #421 funky chicken

Wait, I like General Sherman. He at least understood war and how to end it quick.

Sherman was a wild eyed killer....he got it done for sure but there is more to him than meets the eye

432 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:07:40pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon
"Canada has been a faithful ally against Islamist Terror" in Afghanistan.
Just thought I'd make that clear. And yes, I do very much appreciate their assistance in Afghanistan. Wouldn't have minded some help from them in winning the war in Iraq, though.

433 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:07:52pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

Mr. MacLean had the misfortune of owning the property where the first battle of Manassas occurred. It ruined his property, so he packed up the family and moved further away, to the hill country, where it was quieter.

A little town called Appomatox. The truce was signed in his parlor.

434 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:07:57pm

re: #428 lostlakehiker

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

And more people are breathing, too. Your point?

435 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:08:43pm

re: #429 Wishing

Well it sure sounds like they found some neutron debris, but don't know how it got there. This sounds like the Disco Institute idea of science, eh?

don't know...it does not concern me...I am way more interested in eric Clapton and Sherm

436 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:09:31pm

re: #435 albusteve

don't know...it does not concern me...I am way more interested in eric Clapton and Sherm

LOL keeps it more down to earth!

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:09:44pm

re: #433 rawmuse

Mr. MacLean had the misfortune of owning the property where the first battle of Manassas occurred. It ruined his property, so he packed up the family and moved further away, to the hill country, where it was quieter.

A little town called Appomatox. The truce was signed in his parlor.

I really hope, for Mrs. MacLean's sake, that everyone wiped their boots.

438 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:09:49pm

re: #426 JohnAdams

Sorry! You and realwest will cure me of the "sir" habit. Only true mensch need apply here.

well, that leaves me out: i'm a menso, at best.

439 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:09:56pm

re: #384 rawmuse
McCain - do you believe he's really that old?!

440 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:10:23pm

re: #421 funky chicken

Wait, I like General Sherman. He at least understood war and how to end it quick.

I agree. His methods were brutal, but they worked. I'm not sure any other tactics could have worked quickly enough.

441 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:10:31pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Drudge is reporting that congress is thinking of letting the newspapers convert to non-profit educational status. One catch: No endorsing candidates.

So, we'll save you, but neuter you in the process.

That won't neuter them. It won't change their politics. And people are rarely surprised by their endorsements. Everybody knows who the NYT, LA Times and the other large newspapers are going to endorse in city and national elections.

If they get tax breaks, it means you and I will help support newspapers that have a liberal bias. It's almost as bad as public broadcasting in once sense, and much worse in another.

442 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:10:45pm

re: #428 lostlakehiker

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

not in my yard they aren't.

443 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:10:51pm

Hey, good news! I hear that Dick Morris is very, very pessimistic about the economy. I think Morris has always been wrong in the past, so maybe things really are looking up!

/ ?

444 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:10:55pm

re: #428 lostlakehiker

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

Actually, the Earth hasn't warmed noticeably since 1998. And CO2 has continued to increase. We global warming skeptics accept that CO2 may be a factor that might influence climate, but question exactly how much. It's also questionable as to whether a slightly warmer Earth is necessarily a bad thing.

And we do know, as a matter of fact that the Earth's climate has changed drastically in the past without any human intervention whatsoever.

445 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:11:16pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

In fact the truce ruined him, again. Every piece of furniture in his house was picked clean by troops who wanted souvenirs. The carpet, the floorboards, everything was taken, and he being an unarmed farmer, could do nothing about it.

446 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:12:15pm

re: #398 stevieray Excellent! I'm sorry business is so sucky; got a great friend in Southern California in the same line of work, who is about to go bust, literally.

447 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:12:38pm

re: #445 rawmuse

In fact the truce ruined him, again. Every piece of furniture in his house was picked clean by troops who wanted souvenirs. The carpet, the floorboards, everything was taken, and he being an unarmed farmer, could do nothing about it.

I do think that any farmer worth his salt was armed. Varmints and all...

448 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:13:01pm

re: #436 Wishing

LOL keeps it more down to earth!

my microwave fascinates me...it can boil Beef-O-Roni in minutes!...SCIENCE!

449 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:13:03pm

re: #428 lostlakehiker

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

Any number of theories can justify that statistic. It is a worthy debate in the dispassionate world of science, but until it upholds the basic scientific credo of "repeatable results" it is just another theory. Meanwhile, and here is the important point, political interests with gains in power and treasure are foisting this myth upon the entire world and aiming to destroy American manufacturing.

450 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:14:23pm

MSM leans left. Agreed--have for a long time.

I just don't like the precedent of the government giving more than basic decency guidelines* to the press.

*No nekkid people on the front page, etc. etc.

451 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:14:36pm

re: #449 JohnAdams

Any number of theories can justify that statistic. It is a worthy debate in the dispassionate world of science, but until it upholds the basic scientific credo of "repeatable results" it is just another theory. Meanwhile, and here is the important point, political interests with gains in power and treasure are foisting this myth upon the entire world and aiming to destroy American GLOBAL manufacturing.

I think the enviromentalists just want to punish the entire human race for existing.

452 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:14:54pm

re: #448 albusteve

my microwave fascinates me...it can boil Beef-O-Roni in minutes!...SCIENCE!

I think though, if we could hit on that *abundant cheap fuel* thingy, well, our world might makes some changes that would be interesting.

453 wiffersnapper  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:15:38pm

fugeddaboutit

454 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:16:00pm

re: #408 albusteve Well you have some friend with superb musical taste.
Uh, could ya help an old(er) guy out here - who is ABB?

455 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:16:19pm

Malkin's got a splash up on 100% forgiveness of student loans.

456 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:16:29pm

re: #443 funky chicken

Dick Morris wasn't always named Dick. He got that name after he started working with Clinton.

457 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:16:33pm

re: #428 lostlakehiker

Global warming is not a lie and a fraud. Like any other real thing, frauds can be built on a scaffolding of truth, but the truth is that world CO2 levels are rising and so are temperatures.

Lies are always built on 2 parts truth. It sells the lie better. But the foundations for the lie are unsolid to start with and that usually means the lie is found out eventurally.

Work out what the environuts are doing. Do you hear them campaigning for an 'active re-greening' plan? Have you ever once hear of a localised social effort for regreening, soil reclaimation and reforestation?

No .. thats not what an environmentalist does. No .. they organise.

What DO they do then?

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:17:02pm

re: #445 rawmuse

In fact the truce ruined him, again. Every piece of furniture in his house was picked clean by troops who wanted souvenirs. The carpet, the floorboards, everything was taken, and he being an unarmed farmer, could do nothing about it.

Jesus. Some people just can't win, can they?

459 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:17:12pm

re: #455 pink freud

Malkin's got a splash up on 100% forgiveness of student loans.

Should I stop paying my credit card bills now?

//

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:17:37pm

re: #447 Wishing

I do think that any farmer worth his salt was armed. Varmints and all...

Unfortunately, so were the troops, and there were rather a lot of them.

461 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:17:55pm

re: #410 redc1c4
Sorry, don't want to discuss Sherman tonight.

462 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:17:57pm

re: #452 Wishing

I think though, if we could hit on that *abundant cheap fuel* thingy, well, our world might makes some changes that would be interesting.

yes it would...and the answer is at our fingertips...I have little faith, but we must depose BO first
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

463 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:18:03pm

re: #459 Gus 802

Should I stop paying my credit card bills now?

//

I think you should just stop working forever. Stimulus will save us all.

464 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:18:11pm

re: #459 Gus 802

I'm sitting tight and doing the right thing. The world seems to have gone crazy.

465 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:18:14pm

G'nite, and I hope it gets better, not worse.

466 dkorta  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:18:15pm

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

......
I think, gasp, in terms of those words, Obama is correct. He's just not totally honest about what the current situation is.

Obama made a reference to an Iranian Moslem poet in his speech to Iran. I'd never heard of the guy (can't remember his name now), so I looked him up in Wiki. Seems as if the guy wrote poetry about universal, humanistic themes.

The Iranians, OTOH, have referred to Israel as a cancer which should be removed from the planet. They don't see Israel as a legitimate part of humanity.

Obama's insane if he thinks the Iranians are going to suddenly read 600 year old poetry and start singing kumbaya. They're going to play this fool like a fiddle.

467 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:18:36pm

re: #454 realwest

Well you have some friend with superb musical taste.
Uh, could ya help an old(er) guy out here - who is ABB?

Allman Brothers Band....sorry bro

468 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:19:03pm

re: #451 BlueCanuck

Existential guilt taken to its extreme, my non-hockey loving Canadian compadre.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:19:17pm

re: #455 pink freud

Malkin's got a splash up on 100% forgiveness of student loans.

470 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:19:32pm

I just read the article and what struck me was the very different reactions of two scientists to this discovery.

Scientist #1 said, "It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons,..."

Scientist #2 said, "the study was "big" and could open a new scientific field.
The neutrons produced in the experiments "may not be caused by fusion but perhaps some new, unknown nuclear process..." ."We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics.

My question is, which type of researcher/scientist comes up with the most discoveries? Do the pessimistic/negative scientists do better or the optimistic/positive ones have more success?

OT-From the NewScientist:
Why money messes with your mind

471 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:02pm

re: #461 realwest

Sorry, don't want to discuss Sherman tonight.

no problemo...... "Scouts Out!"

472 Cognito  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:07pm

Oh, please don't let this be a false alarm.

What a fantastic development this would be, if it comes to fruition. Fantastic, if only for the delicious moment when the world's oil supply suddenly jumps from a hundred years to ten thousand.

If I worked at SPAWAR, I'd keep an eye to the sky, looking for Iranian suicide pilots... ;)

473 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:18pm

re: #466 dkorta

Rumi, perhaps? There's a moonbat radio broadcaster up here in Alberta who's gaga over Rumi.

474 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:19pm

re: #464 pink freud

I'm sitting tight and doing the right thing. The world seems to have gone crazy.

you fool!

475 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:26pm

re: #444 Alberta Oil Peon

Actually, the Earth hasn't warmed noticeably since 1998. And CO2 has continued to increase. We global warming skeptics accept that CO2 may be a factor that might influence climate, but question exactly how much. It's also questionable as to whether a slightly warmer Earth is necessarily a bad thing.

And we do know, as a matter of fact that the Earth's climate has changed drastically in the past without any human intervention whatsoever.

Quite correct. All of it. Thing is, CO2 is far from the only factor influencing the temperature of the earth. Any honest AGW worry-wart will grant that. But it is hardly a refutation of AGW to observe that the temperature doesn't rise inexorably every time CO2 concentrations go up. I mean, heck, every (northern hemisphere) summer world CO2 levels go DOWN, and yet temperatures rise.

[They go up every n-h winter, and to a level higher than the previous winter.]

Slightly warmer world would be no big deal. It's already slightly warmer than it used to be, and we manage. The trouble comes when you project world CO2 levels to 500, 600, 700 ppm. We're already up from 250 or so to 380, so it isn't as if those larger numbers are just to scare small children with. They could happen. Even then, we'd somehow pull through, but we could be facing sea level rises of a few meters, the loss of a lot of low-lying farmland, and reduced crop yields from heat stress and shortage of water in the summer growing season. Since we must, AGW or no AGW, eventually move to renewable energy, (and on the human time scale, advanced nuclear energy may as well be renewable), why not get on with it?

476 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:28pm

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

What is any student doing .. when he rocks up a 300k+ student loan?

Who is he expecting to pay that aside from hard-working people who actually EARN their money?

Anyone .. Bueller .. ?

477 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:29pm

re: #464 pink freud

I'm sitting tight and doing the right thing. The world seems to have gone crazy.

Yeah, wouldn't be a good idea to "self-default."

478 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:56pm

re: #455 pink freud

Malkin's got a splash up on 100% forgiveness of student loans.

That really pisses me off. Who exactly is going to pay back the banks for the student loans? We still have a small loan from my husband's school a while back that we faithfully pay off a hundred bucks at a time.

But it's absolute bullshiite to ask the US taxpayer to pay off some schmuck's $100k loan they took on just to go to undergrad at some ivy league school. I went to the state U and got a plenty fine education, and have zero debt because of it.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:20:58pm

Sorry, the thing blipped. I'm in favor of forgiving student loans, but my friend N., who paid hers off, and then got a dull mortgage that she pays each month is going to go postal. If you see a tall, zaftig redheaded computer programmer running down the street screaming, that's her.

480 redc1c4  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:21:00pm

re: #472 Cognito

Oh, please don't let this be a false alarm.

What a fantastic development this would be, if it comes to fruition. Fantastic, if only for the delicious moment when the world's oil supply suddenly jumps from a hundred years to ten thousand.

If I worked at SPAWAR, I'd keep an eye to the sky, looking for Iranian suicide pilots... ;)

if you w*rked at SPAWAR, someone would have turned you in as a security risk years ago.

481 HelloDare  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:21:10pm

re: #455 pink freud

Malkin's got a splash up on 100% forgiveness of student loans.

Everybody should be forgiven. Nobody has to take responsibility for anything. Except Bush. And Cheney. They have to be impeached. //////

482 So?  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:21:25pm

I hope it is true. We need a 21st century energy breakthrough. If you believe, it shall come. I mean over 100 years ago, the TV would have seemed like a ridiculous notion. Something to poke fun at. Capturing someone's image, movement and sound in one place and transmitting it through plain air to any place on that planet. It's still pretty miraculous if you think about it. Everything we can conceive is out there in the ether, so to speak, we just have to figure out how to access and control it. Best of luck to the cold fusion team.

483 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:21:29pm

re: #474 redc1c4

you fool!

That does seem to be the position that's becoming quite popular.

But then, I'm just like them.

484 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:21:31pm

re: #463 Buster Bunny

I think you should just stop working forever. Stimulus will save us all.

Stimulus? Barry was saying that the Budget was going to save us all tonight.

485 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:22:19pm

re: #481 HelloDare

Everybody should be forgiven. Nobody has to take responsibility for anything. Except Bush. And Cheney. They have to be impeached. //////

No .. impeachment means they just go to jail. Every good libtard knows the only good republican is stuffed with chicken giblets and served hot.

/sarc

486 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:22:26pm

Stimulus 1 (2008)
TARP 1
Stimulus 2 (2009)
AIG

and now the Budget of all Budgets...

487 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:23:11pm

re: #478 funky chicken

That really pisses me off. Who exactly is going to pay back the banks for the student loans? We still have a small loan from my husband's school a while back that we faithfully pay off a hundred bucks at a time.

But it's absolute bullshiite to ask the US taxpayer to pay off some schmuck's $100k loan they took on just to go to undergrad at some ivy league school. I went to the state U and got a plenty fine education, and have zero debt because of it.

it ALL pisses me off, but unfortunately, I seem to be in the minority.

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:23:29pm

re: #466 dkorta

Obama made a reference to an Iranian Moslem poet in his speech to Iran. I'd never heard of the guy (can't remember his name now), so I looked him up in Wiki. Seems as if the guy wrote poetry about universal, humanistic themes.

The Iranians, OTOH, have referred to Israel as a cancer which should be removed from the planet. They don't see Israel as a legitimate part of humanity.

Obama's insane if he thinks the Iranians are going to suddenly read 600 year old poetry and start singing kumbaya. They're going to play this fool like a fiddle.

I'm not totally sure who that speech was supposed to play to, so I'm holding back from assessing how insane Obama is right now. But I will agree wholeheartedly that the Iranian govt. is not going to start singing kumbaya any time soon.

489 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:23:44pm

re: #439 realwest
MacLean- shit I knew that one too and blew it. Shoulda looked it up.
Uh, and the first battle of Mannasas? Y'all mean Bull Run?
:)

490 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:24:33pm

Two karma points away from the 1k mark .. how much approval do I need ?re: #489 realwest

MacLean- shit I knew that one too and blew it. Shoulda looked it up.
Uh, and the first battle of Mannasas? Y'all mean Bull Run?
:)

Wasnt that about baseball and how to screw Susan Sarandon?

491 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:24:34pm

re: #478 funky chicken

That really pisses me off. Who exactly is going to pay back the banks for the student loans? We still have a small loan from my husband's school a while back that we faithfully pay off a hundred bucks at a time.

But it's absolute bullshiite to ask the US taxpayer to pay off some schmuck's $100k loan they took on just to go to undergrad at some ivy league school. I went to the state U and got a plenty fine education, and have zero debt because of it.

Hear ya my man.

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:25:18pm

re: #476 Buster Bunny

What is any student doing .. when he rocks up a 300k+ student loan?

Who is he expecting to pay that aside from hard-working people who actually EARN their money?

Anyone .. Bueller .. ?

I didn't rack up that much, and don't know anyone who did, but the people I know pay their loans.

493 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:25:27pm

OBAMA: OK. Stefan Collison (ph), AFP?

Q: Mr. President, you came to office pledging to work for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. How realistic do you think those hopes are now, given the likelihood of a prime minister who is not fully signed up to a two-state solution and a foreign minister who has been accused of insulting Arabs?

494 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:25:41pm

re: #447 Wishing Not Southern farmers. Not at that time.

495 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:25:55pm

re: #475 lostlakehiker

Quite correct. All of it. Thing is, CO2 is far from the only factor influencing the temperature of the earth. Any honest AGW worry-wart will grant that. But it is hardly a refutation of AGW to observe that the temperature doesn't rise inexorably every time CO2 concentrations go up. I mean, heck, every (northern hemisphere) summer world CO2 levels go DOWN, and yet temperatures rise.

[They go up every n-h winter, and to a level higher than the previous winter.]

Slightly warmer world would be no big deal. It's already slightly warmer than it used to be, and we manage. The trouble comes when you project world CO2 levels to 500, 600, 700 ppm. We're already up from 250 or so to 380, so it isn't as if those larger numbers are just to scare small children with. They could happen. Even then, we'd somehow pull through, but we could be facing sea level rises of a few meters, the loss of a lot of low-lying farmland, and reduced crop yields from heat stress and shortage of water in the summer growing season. Since we must, AGW or no AGW, eventually move to renewable energy, (and on the human time scale, advanced nuclear energy may as well be renewable), why not get on with it?

Well, the above is true only if the temperature forcing due to CO2 is of the magnitude that the warming alarmists claim. If the forcing is less, or if other factors counter it, then the problem (such as it is) lessens or goes away completely.

496 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:26:02pm

re: #478 funky chicken

That really pisses me off. Who exactly is going to pay back the banks for the student loans? We still have a small loan from my husband's school a while back that we faithfully pay off a hundred bucks at a time.

But it's absolute bullshiite to ask the US taxpayer to pay off some schmuck's $100k loan they took on just to go to undergrad at some ivy league school. I went to the state U and got a plenty fine education, and have zero debt because of it.

I paid for my son to attend the U of Mich...it was very expensive...he has gone on to dental school on loans...I help him and am still in it...if he even considers stiffing his lenders on his loans I will beat him senseless....repeatedly

497 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:27:16pm

re: #475 lostlakehiker

Quite correct. All of it. Thing is, CO2 is far from the only factor influencing the temperature of the earth. Any honest AGW worry-wart will grant that. But it is hardly a refutation of AGW to observe that the temperature doesn't rise inexorably every time CO2 concentrations go up. I mean, heck, every (northern hemisphere) summer world CO2 levels go DOWN, and yet temperatures rise.

[They go up every n-h winter, and to a level higher than the previous winter.]

Slightly warmer world would be no big deal. It's already slightly warmer than it used to be, and we manage. The trouble comes when you project world CO2 levels to 500, 600, 700 ppm. We're already up from 250 or so to 380, so it isn't as if those larger numbers are just to scare small children with. They could happen. Even then, we'd somehow pull through, but we could be facing sea level rises of a few meters, the loss of a lot of low-lying farmland, and reduced crop yields from heat stress and shortage of water in the summer growing season. Since we must, AGW or no AGW, eventually move to renewable energy, (and on the human time scale, advanced nuclear energy may as well be renewable), why not get on with it?

1. not economically feasible at this time. we need to use fossil fuels as efficiently as possible and invest the money into researching how to make the altie sources economically feasible.

2. more (lots more) money could be made to invest in the altie fuel research if we could get all the oil that is here CONUS...but the enviros won't let us. I don't think they are too stupid to understand that, so their committment to actually finding economical altie energy sources is highly suspect.

3. China first, baby. If China isn't on board, destroying our economy by killing the coal industry is just stupid and won't accomplish anything anyway.

498 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:27:41pm

re: #490 Buster Bunny

Dang .. should have scrolled up or previewed before posting !

Anyway .. was wrong .. its called Bull Durham.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:28:24pm

Back when my parents were in school, tuition to UC Berkeley was fifty bucks a semester.

A lot of my friends' parents worked through school waiting tables.

Wasn't an option for any of us. We waited tables AND took out loans.

500 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:28:50pm

Yah I posted OT about this yesterday.

Apparently this is still very very very very dubious. Sorry.

It almost has to be, folks. If it worked, it would presumably do so with about the subtlety of, oh, say a flashbulb, if not a hand grenade. The very idea that you can get just a handful of neutrons to fuse in a desktop apparatus, seems to me increasingly unlikely. It's either a bunch of neutrons and no doubt about it, or none at all.

501 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:29:18pm

re: #472 Cognito

Oh, please don't let this be a false alarm.

What a fantastic development this would be, if it comes to fruition. Fantastic, if only for the delicious moment when the world's oil supply suddenly jumps from a hundred years to ten thousand.

If I worked at SPAWAR, I'd keep an eye to the sky, looking for Iranian suicide pilots... ;)

re: #472 Cognito

Oh, please don't let this be a false alarm.

What a fantastic development this would be, if it comes to fruition. Fantastic, if only for the delicious moment when the world's oil supply suddenly jumps from a hundred years to ten thousand.

If I worked at SPAWAR, I'd keep an eye to the sky, looking for Iranian suicide pilots... ;)

It probably is a false alarm, but I too pray not. Fusion tech would really bring change to how we produce energy. We would finally be able to move away from using fossil fuels at large power plants.

502 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:29:25pm

re: #496 albusteve

I paid for my son to attend the U of Mich...it was very expensive...he has gone on to dental school on loans...I help him and am still in it...if he even considers stiffing his lenders on his loans I will beat him senseless....repeatedly

The Blue will be NC contenders by 2010!

503 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:29:58pm

re: #467 albusteve Ah thank you kindly - it was a sorta "Garden Party" moment for me: they didn't look the same!

504 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:30:16pm

re: #470 twincitiesgirl

I just read the article and what struck me was the very different reactions of two scientists to this discovery.

Scientist #1 said, "It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons,..."

Scientist #2 said, "the study was "big" and could open a new scientific field.
The neutrons produced in the experiments "may not be caused by fusion but perhaps some new, unknown nuclear process..." ."We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics.

My question is, which type of researcher/scientist comes up with the most discoveries? Do the pessimistic/negative scientists do better or the optimistic/positive ones have more success?

OT-From the NewScientist:
Why money messes with your mind

I'd say the kind of scientist that comes up with most discoveries, is the kind that is obsessive about their work. Man's got to know his limitations.

505 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:30:20pm

re: #502 JohnAdams

The Blue will be NC contenders by 2010!

you wish...they are a mess right now

506 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:30:38pm

re: #462 albusteve

yes it would...and the answer is at our fingertips...I have little faith, but we must depose BO first
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

Was it you who first put that link up a few months ago? Man o man, I wanted to propose that my county buy one and sell what we don't use to the neighbors!

507 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:31:30pm

re: #497 funky chicken

1. not economically feasible at this time. we need to use fossil fuels as efficiently as possible and invest the money into researching how to make the altie sources economically feasible.

2. more (lots more) money could be made to invest in the altie fuel research if we could get all the oil that is here CONUS...but the enviros won't let us. I don't think they are too stupid to understand that, so their committment to actually finding economical altie energy sources is highly suspect.

3. China first, baby. If China isn't on board, destroying our economy by killing the coal industry is just stupid and won't accomplish anything anyway.

Upding like a banshee! Think I called you mister, earlier, in error. Sorry, miss (?) Funky chicken.

508 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:31:42pm

re: #500 itellu3times

Yah I posted OT about this yesterday.

Apparently this is still very very very very dubious. Sorry.

It almost has to be, folks. If it worked, it would presumably do so with about the subtlety of, oh, say a flashbulb, if not a hand grenade. The very idea that you can get just a handful of neutrons to fuse in a desktop apparatus, seems to me increasingly unlikely. It's either a bunch of neutrons and no doubt about it, or none at all.

You still need a pulsing backlot of energy inductors to increase the basic charge before sending it to the chamber to ignite. That still means large grids of lasers pulsing a whole smackload of energy around to produce a pittance of a reaction.

Thats why this is a nice idea IF its truly possible.

You wont get a desktop or household model for at least another 20 years.

509 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:32:15pm

re: #489 realwest

MacLean- shit I knew that one too and blew it. Shoulda looked it up.
Uh, and the first battle of Mannasas? Y'all mean Bull Run?
:)

Real ...

Have you heard the story of the Illinois Monument at Vicksburg?

It was built with a round hole in the top, and when it rains the rain does not fall inside.

510 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:32:51pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Back when my parents were in school, tuition to UC Berkeley was fifty bucks a semester.

A lot of my friends' parents worked through school waiting tables.

Wasn't an option for any of us. We waited tables AND took out loans.

When I went to college, I couldn't get student loans because my parents made too much money. I believe I was in grad school when they changed that--everybody and their dog could get financial aid, no matter what the parents' income.

Suddenly tuitions started skyrocketing. Yes, I question the timing.

511 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:32:54pm

re: #503 realwest

Ah thank you kindly - it was a sorta "Garden Party" moment for me: they didn't look the same!

I'll work with you...you have good taste and you were right about Clapton and the Stratocaster....he did not play one with the Yardbirds as you said...it was a Telecaster...ya pinned me on that one

512 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:33:46pm

Video Of Taliban Terror In Pakistan

Liveleak Video

Not good news.

513 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:33:51pm

re: #506 Wishing

Was it you who first put that link up a few months ago? Man o man, I wanted to propose that my county buy one and sell what we don't use to the neighbors!

no...I first saw it here....cool huh?

514 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:34:35pm

How many flyer miles do you get for 1000 karma points?

515 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:35:00pm

re: #505 albusteve

you wish...they are a mess right now

Mark my words...explosive speed young guys all over the field just need another season to square it away.

516 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:35:03pm

re: #507 JohnAdams

no problem :-) I always was a tomboy type, and studied biochem, so I was definitely in a man's field there too.

517 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:36:58pm

re: #513 albusteve

no...I first saw it here....cool huh?

I showed that to my husband. He immediately said, Wont happen here (meaning USA).
He said, We will invent and perfect here, but Congress will never allow this to be USED here.
So sad.

518 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:37:59pm

re: #472 Cognito

Oh, please don't let this be a false alarm.

What a fantastic development this would be, if it comes to fruition. Fantastic, if only for the delicious moment when the world's oil supply suddenly jumps from a hundred years to ten thousand.

If I worked at SPAWAR, I'd keep an eye to the sky, looking for Iranian suicide pilots... ;)

They wouldn't get a chance. Between North Island Naval Air Station, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, and Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, plus the USAF and US Army doing joint operations with the Navy and Marines from time to time, San Diego is well armed.

519 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:38:32pm

If just ONE community purchased one of those, and somehow got the gubmint types to approve it..well, yes, this would change how we do business in our world.

520 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:38:40pm

re: #508 Buster Bunny

You still need a pulsing backlot of energy inductors to increase the basic charge before sending it to the chamber to ignite. That still means large grids of lasers pulsing a whole smackload of energy around to produce a pittance of a reaction.

Thats why this is a nice idea IF its truly possible.

You wont get a desktop or household model for at least another 20 years.

I don't know why I should wait for a desktop fusion generator, we don't have desktop electric generators. I mean, sure, crank-powered. Kind of like cold fusion seems to be crank-powered.

/sadly, I'd love to see it work, too ... was at least briefly taken in during the original cold fusion "bubble"

521 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:38:41pm

re: #514 Buster Bunny

How many flyer miles do you get for 1000 karma points?

Hey, congratulations! But I don't think Karma works like greenstamps.

522 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #478 funky chicken
Well I went to a private University and an Ivy League Law School and me, some scholarships, two jobs during the semesters, 3 jobs in summer and my $200 a month from the GI Bill and roughly $20,000 in student loans and I got my law degree. And paid back my student loans.
This is just another damned example of the Nanny State mentality - got yourself in a bind there kiddo- don't worry, it's not YOUR fault, let Uncle Sam take care of it for you. Any other stress we can releive you of- like deciding on whom to vote for next election?
It's all, pure, unadulterated CRAP. No one is responsible for the CHOICES they made in their lives. Except of course for Military members and Veterans, Cops and Firefighters (and EMTS). Everyone else - pass go, pick up a few grand along the way - never mind that you GAVE YOUR WORD TO REPAY THAT LOAN.

523 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:39:36pm

re: #515 JohnAdams

Mark my words...explosive speed young guys all over the field just need another season to square it away.

we will see...RichRod better bring home the bacon, he's an expensive date

524 Silvergirl  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:40:04pm

re: #512 jcm

Not good news. I second that.

525 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:40:22pm

re: #520 itellu3times

I don't know why I should wait for a desktop fusion generator, we don't have desktop electric generators. I mean, sure, crank-powered. Kind of like cold fusion seems to be crank-powered.

/sadly, I'd love to see it work, too ... was at least briefly taken in during the original cold fusion "bubble"

Well, the authors of this current report on cold fusion seem to be a little more credible than were Pons and Fleischman.

The subject certainly merits further investigation.

526 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:40:48pm

re: #512 jcm

Video Of Taliban Terror In Pakistan

[Video]

Not good news.

Savages.

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:41:23pm

re: #522 realwest

Well I went to a private University and an Ivy League Law School and me, some scholarships, two jobs during the semesters, 3 jobs in summer and my $200 a month from the GI Bill and roughly $20,000 in student loans and I got my law degree. And paid back my student loans.
This is just another damned example of the Nanny State mentality - got yourself in a bind there kiddo- don't worry, it's not YOUR fault, let Uncle Sam take care of it for you. Any other stress we can releive you of- like deciding on whom to vote for next election?
It's all, pure, unadulterated CRAP. No one is responsible for the CHOICES they made in their lives. Except of course for Military members and Veterans, Cops and Firefighters (and EMTS). Everyone else - pass go, pick up a few grand along the way - never mind that you GAVE YOUR WORD TO REPAY THAT LOAN.

I doubt it's going to happen, so I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.

528 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:42:21pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist Uh, if y'all see her coming back running down the street, screaming and carrying a firearm - duck and cover.
I'm curious as to why you think it's a good idea that I pay off your student loan? (y'all might want to read my #522 first).
Why should anyone other than you pay off your student loans?

529 Wishing  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:42:22pm

Good night all..sleep well.

530 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:45:07pm

re: #516 funky chicken

no problem :-) I always was a tomboy type, and studied biochem, so I was definitely in a man's field there too.

It's all "people's field" now, thank goodness. I am just apoplectic now on this energy problem. These assclown liberal hypocrites who have no real science backing are hoodwinking millions of emotional voters into blowing up World Manufacturing.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:45:19pm

re: #528 realwest

Uh, if y'all see her coming back running down the street, screaming and carrying a firearm - duck and cover.
I'm curious as to why you think it's a good idea that I pay off your student loan? (y'all might want to read my #522 first).
Why should anyone other than you pay off your student loans?

You missed my invisible sarc tag, didn't you? I meant that that sounds great, although unethical, to me, who will be paying the damn loans till time ends, but probably won't sound so hot to people who've already paid theirs.

But yes, watch out if you see N. coming. She's feisty. And a good shot. And has Scottish forebears.

532 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:46:01pm

re: #522 realwest

Well I went to a private University and an Ivy League Law School and me, some scholarships, two jobs during the semesters, 3 jobs in summer and my $200 a month from the GI Bill and roughly $20,000 in student loans and I got my law degree. And paid back my student loans.
This is just another damned example of the Nanny State mentality - got yourself in a bind there kiddo- don't worry, it's not YOUR fault, let Uncle Sam take care of it for you. Any other stress we can releive you of- like deciding on whom to vote for next election?
It's all, pure, unadulterated CRAP. No one is responsible for the CHOICES they made in their lives. Except of course for Military members and Veterans, Cops and Firefighters (and EMTS). Everyone else - pass go, pick up a few grand along the way - never mind that you GAVE YOUR WORD TO REPAY THAT LOAN.

Oh, a Mr. Fancypants guy huh? :-)

533 Syrah  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:46:36pm

There is a mad down-dinger on the lose on the Texas thread.

534 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:47:34pm

re: #533 Syrah

There is a mad down-dinger on the lose on the Texas thread.

Yeah, I've been watching. He's on this "vendetta" against Salamantis.

535 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:47:46pm

re: #487 pink freud Well then you and I are both in the same minority. But don't worry - we won't be in a minority for long - sooner than later (and probably MUCH SOONER) a lot of Folks that Obama promised shit to, won't get that shit. None of it. Has to happen, caused he's made conflicting promises. He's already pissed off the teachers union with merit pay (which, btw, I do support but the UNION itself feels BETRAYED). And that's just the start.

536 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:48:25pm

re: #534 Gus 802

Yeah, I've been watching. He's on this "vendetta" against Salamantis.

good luck with that...Sal is no lightweight

537 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:49:10pm

re: #522 realwest

Well I went to a private University and an Ivy League Law School and me, some scholarships, two jobs during the semesters, 3 jobs in summer and my $200 a month from the GI Bill and roughly $20,000 in student loans and I got my law degree. And paid back my student loans.
This is just another damned example of the Nanny State mentality - got yourself in a bind there kiddo- don't worry, it's not YOUR fault, let Uncle Sam take care of it for you. Any other stress we can releive you of- like deciding on whom to vote for next election?
It's all, pure, unadulterated CRAP. No one is responsible for the CHOICES they made in their lives. Except of course for Military members and Veterans, Cops and Firefighters (and EMTS). Everyone else - pass go, pick up a few grand along the way - never mind that you GAVE YOUR WORD TO REPAY THAT LOAN.

Real, when I say what you said I get looks from people like I'm a cranky old white man. I ain't that old! It's like the world has changed overnight on me.

538 Syrah  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:49:15pm

re: #534 Gus 802

Yeah, I've been watching. He's on this "vendetta" against Salamantis.

Does not look like much fun to me.

To each his own I guess.

539 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:50:07pm

re: #538 Syrah

Does not look like much fun to me.

To each his own I guess.

Yeah, watching the LGF Spy. Looks pretty manic. One after the other.

540 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:51:36pm

re: #539 Gus 802

Yeah, watching the LGF Spy. Looks pretty manic. One after the other.

We you don't have an argument.... DownDing!

541 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:51:36pm

LOL maybe it helps with insomnia?

542 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:52:17pm

re: #533 Syrah

There is a mad down-dinger on the lose on the Texas thread.

I'll head over there. Sal could use the support.

543 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:52:21pm

re: #541 funky chicken

LOL maybe it helps with insomnia?

It's working. It's kind of like counting sheep.

544 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:52:39pm

re: #490 Buster Bunny
LOL! Hey that reminds me - saw a show on HGTV about a man named Pearl Fryer, from Bishopville S.C.
Man is a self taught gardner/sculpter with plants. Bishopville is where the real Doc Graham grew up and practiced medicine.
Just a little historical note for ya!

545 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:53:05pm

Congo Square...for the interested types

Youtube Video
546 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:53:07pm

re: #540 jcm

What's the nic? I think you scared it away.

547 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:53:24pm

re: #535 realwest

Well then you and I are both in the same minority. But don't worry - we won't be in a minority for long - sooner than later (and probably MUCH SOONER) a lot of Folks that Obama promised shit to, won't get that shit. None of it. Has to happen, caused he's made conflicting promises. He's already pissed off the teachers union with merit pay (which, btw, I do support but the UNION itself feels BETRAYED). And that's just the start.

I don't feel betrayed, but I do feel that most people in politics who talk about 'merit pay' for teachers are mainly just talking tough, and don't have much in the way of plans. There are some real issues with how merit pay would work, and whether it's a reasonable way to build a stronger teaching force, and I have no opinions until I hear in detail how people (Obama in this case) envision it actually being implemented.

548 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:53:38pm

re: #535 realwest

Well then you and I are both in the same minority. But don't worry - we won't be in a minority for long - sooner than later (and probably MUCH SOONER) a lot of Folks that Obama promised shit to, won't get that shit. None of it. Has to happen, caused he's made conflicting promises. He's already pissed off the teachers union with merit pay (which, btw, I do support but the UNION itself feels BETRAYED). And that's just the start.

You know it and I know it. I spend most of my time on a university campus. You oughta hear these folks. You'd swear each and every one of them won the lottery. I go and fuck it up though, every time I hear that sort of "Yeah! 0bama's gonna save us all! Finally! A black man in the White house!' ...when I ask, "How's your 401K doing?"

Believe me, they're hurting. One prof I know has lost nearly 50% value of his 401K ...and you oughta see the faces when I ask that question.

Here, they're ready to crucify Jindal. He's cut university budgets by 20%. Lots of those gleeful 0bama voters with PhD's are about to lose their jobs.

549 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:53:54pm

re: #546 Pvt Bin Jammin

What's the nic? I think you scared it away.

I missed it's ding spree......

550 srb1976  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:54:08pm

Evening folks,
Cold Fusion huh? If the Navy pulls that off, my better half will be insufferable! Been retired for nearly 20 years now (which makes him sound much older than he is) but still overflowing with Navy pride.

551 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:55:07pm

re: #549 jcm

Same here.

Come on out and speak your mind, dingers.

552 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:55:19pm

re: #537 JohnAdams

Real, when I say what you said I get looks from people like I'm a cranky old white man. I ain't that old! It's like the world has changed overnight on me.

I get those looks too. Unfortunately for them, I can give the look back in spades and at the same time make 'em feel like idiots for what comes out of their mouths. That sword cuts both ways.

Dig in. The world will right itself eventually.

553 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:55:43pm

re: #546 Pvt Bin Jammin

What's the nic? I think you scared it away.

Jimc? Something like that.

554 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:56:07pm

re: #553 SanFranciscoZionist

Jimc? Something like that.

Yep.

555 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:56:24pm

re: #509 pink freud Nope I hadn't - thank you very much for that.

556 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:56:39pm

hey, I went to those old threads and updinged a couple of posts. I still feel the same, so can't see the thrill in downdinging them either.

but I'm off to bed. I'll let you all know tomorrow if it helped with insomnia :-)

557 JohnAdams  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:57:18pm

re: #548 pink freud

You know it and I know it. I spend most of my time on a university campus. You oughta hear these folks. You'd swear each and every one of them won the lottery. I go and it up though, every time I hear that sort of "Yeah! 0bama's gonna save us all! Finally! A black man in the White house!' ...when I ask, "How's your 401K doing?"

Believe me, they're hurting. One prof I know has lost nearly 50% value of his 401K ...and you oughta see the faces when I ask that question.

Here, they're ready to crucify Jindal. He's cut university budgets by 20%. Lots of those gleeful 0bama voters with PhD's are about to lose their jobs.

Gotta be brutal being on a campus. Worse yet that they all probably run around talking their smack openly, thinking you agree with them. And the stunned look when they hear a dissenting voice...

558 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:58:46pm

re: #553 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I think I've seen that one before. There are three or four of them that go all out on the creationist threads. Saw a new one ding down Charles' hilarious last thread, "Raydog". Don't think I've even seen him post before.

559 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:59:08pm

re: #511 albusteve
Hey - thanks for the compliment, but I looked it up in Wiki.
I know Clapton will be rememberd for his music; I HOPE he's rememberd for all the millions of dollars he made for or gave to black bluesmen and addicts.

560 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 10:59:42pm

re: #555 realwest

Nope I hadn't - thank you very much for that.

You're welcome, real. Vicksburg is a very cool town, steeped in civil war history. It's about as "Old South" as it gets, and they still honor the old ways there (both good and bad, I suppose...)

Here's a picture of a wonderful old southern plantation in Vacherie, LA ...north of Baton Rouge.

I love the South.

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:00:34pm

re: #559 realwest

Hey - thanks for the compliment, but I looked it up in Wiki.
I know Clapton will be rememberd for his music; I HOPE he's rememberd for all the millions of dollars he made for or gave to black bluesmen and addicts.

That sounds like an album title--"Bluesmen and Addicts".

562 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:01:47pm

re: #554 Gus 802

Yep.

Karma: -582
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I wonder if he'd come down if I said the KJV was a LOUSY translation?

563 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:02:15pm

re: #557 JohnAdams

Gotta be brutal being on a campus. Worse yet that they all probably run around talking their smack openly, thinking you agree with them. And the stunned look when they hear a dissenting voice...

It's done something to me, since the election. When I say this place here is my sanity, I really mean it. As far as being a dissenting voice ....well, by my reckoning, mine counts for at least a couple dozen of theirs. :-)

564 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:02:51pm

re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't feel betrayed, but I do feel that most people in politics who talk about 'merit pay' for teachers are mainly just talking tough, and don't have much in the way of plans. There are some real issues with how merit pay would work, and whether it's a reasonable way to build a stronger teaching force, and I have no opinions until I hear in detail how people (Obama in this case) envision it actually being implemented.

Teachers sadly can't change most kids' educational outcomes much any more. Kids who want to learn, or who have parents at home who tell them that they are gonna learn, dammit, whether they want to or not will perform and learn.
Kids who don't give a damn are no longer even required to behave in an appropriate/professional manner in school.

We have a situation in my husband's family that's a tragedy. His sibling is a bum, and the 3 kids are bums. The inlaws moved the family to their town so they could support them, and the kids now tell the inlaws that they are "mean" for trying to get them to do their homework. Those kids are throwing away their futures just because their parents don't give a damn about education and want to play "let's bitch about grandma and grandpa all together even though they are feeding and housing us."

565 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:03:21pm

re: #562 jcm

Karma: -582
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I wonder if he'd come down if I said the KJV was a LOUSY translation?

No doubt.

Damn, how can anyone with that low a a Karma stick around? You think they'd catch a hint.

566 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:03:28pm

re: #559 realwest

Hey - thanks for the compliment, but I looked it up in Wiki.
I know Clapton will be rememberd for his music; I HOPE he's rememberd for all the millions of dollars he made for or gave to black bluesmen and addicts.

his Crossroads thing is just about the biggest gig in the world right now...he will not be forgotten for it....I have opinions about Clapton but he is really almost a living legend...and he did it himself with just his guitar and a love of Son House and Robert Johnson

567 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:04:04pm

And with that, I'm off for the night. Take care lizards :-)

568 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:04:53pm

re: #565 Gus 802

No doubt.

Damn, how can anyone with that low a a Karma stick around? You think they'd catch a hint.

Maybe it's a badge of honor to certain types.

569 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:05:20pm

sleep well, funky chicken.

570 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:05:51pm

re: #568 pink freud

Maybe it's a badge of honor to certain types.

who cares....it's a small thing, rise above it

571 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:06:04pm

re: #568 pink freud

Maybe it's a badge of honor to certain types.

I guess so.

572 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:07:32pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist " She's feisty. And a good shot. And has Scottish forebears." In other words, a female version of me!
And you're right I did see you're invisible sarc tag, but for those of you who don't understand Obama, please don't be surprised if this doesnt' become law, one way or another.
Remember, Obama ain't nothing more than a suit wearing, smooth talking 3 card monte player from the Chicago Machine of King Richard Daley. Obama isn't SMART - he's cunning but he's built himself a pyramid here that even Bernie Madoff would envy and it WILL come crashing down around his ears and, unfortunately ours.
I give it 3 years, at most. Hell already ABC and CBS have called Obama on some of his more egregious errors in the last week. That's a chink in his MSM suit of armor. A few more of those chinks and the MSM is gonna turn on him and start telling the truth.
And he'll be finished politically.

573 jcm  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:08:10pm

Night all!

574 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:08:12pm

re: #562 jcm

Karma: -582
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I wonder if he'd come down if I said the KJV was a LOUSY translation?

Were has that jerk been posting today?

575 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:08:30pm

re: #565 Gus 802

No doubt.

Damn, how can anyone with that low a a Karma stick around? You think they'd catch a hint.

What? Like avanti? I think it's Karma is even lower then that.

576 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:09:01pm

re: #562 jcm

Karma: -582
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I wonder if he'd come down if I said the KJV was a LOUSY translation?

Oh, it's not. It's beautiful and powerful. There are some problems with the translation--the obsessive tendency to render the vav ha-hippuch as 'and' is enough to make you crazy--and some dubious choices of rendering--but given what they had to work with, it's gorgeous.

577 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:09:46pm

re: #575 BlueCanuck

What? Like avanti? I think it's Karma is even lower then that.

Yeah it is. Some people are probably masochists.

578 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:10:14pm

Hey folks, I know this is off topic, but I needed to share it with everyone.

I am the oldest of four boys. I am twenty five years old, and the brother right under me, William, made contact with me today. We have not spoken since I was fourteen. This is one of the greatest days in my life. We had a fairly brutal childhood and due to the decisions of our guardians we were not able to contact each other for quite some time. Then, when we came of an age were we could overrule those decisions he had disappeared. I have spent quite a bit of money trying to locate him, and apparently all it took was opening a facebook account. God has a magnificent way of showing you the important things in life, and to add to the happiness of the occasion I found out that he is serving our country in the army. I just am so happy that I found him and that he is ok. I thank you all for listening. If I didn't love this site and respect the people here I would not have shared this, but I do so..... thank you.

579 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:10:39pm

re: #575 BlueCanuck

What? Like avanti? I think it's Karma is even lower then that.

avanti has a karma below -1000. Even SpaceJesus is doing better.

580 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:11:35pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Hey folks, I know this is off topic, but I needed to share it with everyone.

I am the oldest of four boys. I am twenty five years old, and the brother right under me, William, made contact with me today. We have not spoken since I was fourteen. This is one of the greatest days in my life. We had a fairly brutal childhood and due to the decisions of our guardians we were not able to contact each other for quite some time. Then, when we came of an age were we could overrule those decisions he had disappeared. I have spent quite a bit of money trying to locate him, and apparently all it took was opening a facebook account. God has a magnificent way of showing you the important things in life, and to add to the happiness of the occasion I found out that he is serving our country in the army. I just am so happy that I found him and that he is ok. I thank you all for listening. If I didn't love this site and respect the people here I would not have shared this, but I do so..... thank you.

Wonderful news at the end of a long day. I'm so happy for you both!

581 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #532 funky chicken
Yeppers, that's me, Mr. Fancypants! Although I will say, in my own defense, that after my first two years in practice, I donated at least 500 hours of my time to charitable works and at least the equivalent of that in money that the 500 hours would pay at my going rate every year for the next 33 years.
I was raised by damn fine parents. I've always tried to live up to their expectations of me.

582 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #579 Dark_Falcon

avanti has a karma below -1000. Even SpaceJesus is doing better.

you post, you pay...btw they dig the attention they get

583 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:12:18pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Hey folks, I know this is off topic, but I needed to share it with everyone.

I am the oldest of four boys. I am twenty five years old, and the brother right under me, William, made contact with me today. We have not spoken since I was fourteen. This is one of the greatest days in my life. We had a fairly brutal childhood and due to the decisions of our guardians we were not able to contact each other for quite some time. Then, when we came of an age were we could overrule those decisions he had disappeared. I have spent quite a bit of money trying to locate him, and apparently all it took was opening a facebook account. God has a magnificent way of showing you the important things in life, and to add to the happiness of the occasion I found out that he is serving our country in the army. I just am so happy that I found him and that he is ok. I thank you all for listening. If I didn't love this site and respect the people here I would not have shared this, but I do so..... thank you.

Thanks for sharing this excellent news. It is always good to hear of a family being reunited.

584 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:12:24pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Congratulations.

585 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:12:53pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Hey, that's some great news. Where is your brother serving? Or has he told you yet?

586 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:12:58pm

re: #533 Syrah What's his name - can we invite him to come out and play?
(Waives at Syrah!)

587 srb1976  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:13:12pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Congratulations! What a great day this must be for you!

588 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:13:14pm

re: #572 realwest

agreed in total...BO is dirt but events need to catch up with him, and they will

589 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:14:29pm

re: #585 BlueCanuck

He is in Alaska, and he loves it there. Lol, we talked about the weather differences, but he said that the people have the same can do attitude of most Texans.

590 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:14:55pm

re: #579 Dark_Falcon

avanti has a karma below -1000. Even SpaceJesus is doing better.

I like to help SpaceJesus out now and then with a little karma. He's like the wacky corner preacher in out little online neighborhood.

591 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:15:34pm

re: #537 JohnAdams
JohnAdams the world - or a significant part of it - has changed for folks like us.
But I have no problems looking the mirror and shaving every damn day. I'd wager you don't either.
And that does make it right for us.

592 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:15:54pm

re: #587 srb1976

I am emotionally overwhelmed at the moment. Due to his background and some events in his life I had come to the conclusion that he was dead. I am so happy right now I am shaking. It's hard to type. LOL

593 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:16:14pm

looks like Charles is hittin the racks...I don't usually post so late but is there a ding soap opera every night like this?...I mean who could give a shit?

594 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:16:29pm

re: #590 SanFranciscoZionist

I like to help SpaceJesus out now and then with a little karma. He's like the wacky corner preacher in out little online neighborhood.

Hey, speaking of wacky. Do you remember that guy that used to sit right by the street car turntable and scream out "George Bush... Dan Quayle?" Right around Woolworths.

595 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:16:40pm

re: #574 Dark_Falcon

Were has that jerk been posting today?

Right up above, #184. Dang, he's sure got a good avatar, though.

596 Gus  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:17:27pm

re: #593 albusteve

looks like Charles is hittin the racks...I don't usually post so late but is there a ding soap opera every night like this?...I mean who could give a shit?

No. :)

597 pink freud  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:17:46pm

re: #578 WestTexas

Wow. What a wonderful, uplifting story. Your feet must be barely touching the ground. Thanks so much for sharing this out here with us. Made me smile .....

598 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:18:06pm

re: #578 WestTexas

That is SO great. Glad that you shared your news.

599 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:18:46pm

re: #595 Pvt Bin Jammin

Right up above, #184. Dang, he's sure got a good avatar, though.

Who was the character in the B.C. comic strip that periodically donned a mask and became the Midnight Skulker? Or something like that. Our midnight dinger brings that to mind.

600 albusteve  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:20:18pm

midnight dingers....

Youtube Video
601 Colonel Panik  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:20:55pm

re: #473 Alberta Oil Peon

Rumi, perhaps? There's a moonbat radio broadcaster up here in Alberta who's gaga over Rumi.

All the moonbats in the Bay Area went nuts over Rumi right after 9-11.

602 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:21:18pm

re: #597 pink freud

re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well I want to thank all of you for the support. I know that I might be a bit young to hand out advice, but with all sincerity, if you have loved ones that you have lost contact with due to some spat. Call them right them a letter or email. Just tell them that you love them, because you never know what can happen, and the feeling of having that left unsaid is unbearable.

603 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:21:39pm

re: #599 Alberta Oil Peon

Who was the character in the B.C. comic strip that periodically donned a mask and became the Midnight Skulker? Or something like that. Our midnight dinger brings that to mind.

Sorry, wish I knew. If my hubby wasn't asleep I'd ask him.

I just don't get this serial dinging at all. He got hit pretty hard on the weekend but at least he has the guts to get out here and say something. Some of them have never made a comment. LOL

604 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:22:57pm

re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist That wasn't my point. My point was that the teachers unions and in particular the NEA have vehemently opposed ANY kind of Merit Pay for Public School teachers - of which I were one for one year. And Obama promised them during his campaign that he'd never go for that. Then he's elected and in office less than 100 days and he stabs the UNION in the back. Hey, I'm no longer a card carrying member and I received a bulletin from the NEA stating that Obama has betrayed our trust and threw away all the work and money we gave him.
No lie hoss, the UNION be pissed off at Obama. And trust me, it'll be joined by other unions soon, too.

605 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:23:49pm

re: #602 WestTexas

re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well I want to thank all of you for the support. I know that I might be a bit young to hand out advice, but with all sincerity, if you have loved ones that you have lost contact with due to some spat. Call them right them a letter or email. Just tell them that you love them, because you never know what can happen, and the feeling of having that left unsaid is unbearable.

You are bringing tears to this old gal's eyes and you're absolutely right. Life is way too short. I'm glad you reached out while you are still young. Some folks wait until they're old and miss all that time.

606 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:25:52pm

re: #605 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well a decade is hard to fathom sometimes, at least for my young mind, but the one thing that makes it easier for me is that a great chunk of that time was beyond my control.

607 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:25:58pm

I am moving on up to the LTDT.

608 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:29:07pm

re: #561 SanFranciscoZionist Why so it does. Did the blues drive 'em to addiction or did the addiction give 'em the blues?
Whichever way, Clapton has very quietly set up and funded a multimillion dollar addiction center and has funded (privately) a lot of old bluesmen to help atone for folks stealing their music and the royalties going to some muisic businessman. I'm talking in the Tens of Millions of dollars.
I love Eric Claptons music and I LOVE his respect for those who came before and inspired him.

609 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:30:05pm

re: #606 WestTexas

Well a decade is hard to fathom sometimes, at least for my young mind, but the one thing that makes it easier for me is that a great chunk of that time was beyond my control.

Well then, a lot of it was out of your hands. You did good. Thank God I don't have anybody that I have been estranged from like that but a couple of my sisters-in-law won't speak at all. They're younger than I am but they're around 50 now. The sad part is that they both have daughters about the same age.

Our daughter got on Facebook because of this 14 yr old relative talking her into it (she's 38). My gosh, she has reunited with SO many old friends. It's been fun.

610 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:32:43pm

re: #609 Pvt Bin Jammin

Lol, I have knocked the social sites a lot in the past. Now I think they are a wonderful thing. I still think a bunch of people spend a little to much time using it as distraction, but they due have some great qualities.

611 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:32:56pm

re: #578 WestTexas
Best news I've heard all day today. Thank you kindly for sharing that with us, and God Bless you and him.

612 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:35:46pm

re: #611 realwest

Thank you RW. I enjoy the people here so much that I could not pass up the opportunity to share the good news. Plus everyone else I know is asleep. :-)

613 realwest  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:37:59pm

re: #612 WestTexas
LOL! Well I'm glad you posted that joyess news when you did, cause now I gotta go get some sleep!

Hope you all have a great night/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

614 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:39:18pm

re: #613 realwest

'Nite, Realwest. Take care.

615 WestTexas  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:39:42pm

re: #613 realwest

Good night Real. Weet dreams!

616 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:42:26pm

re: #610 WestTexas

Some of them aren't as good as others, apparently, but our daughter has truly enjoyed facebook. It will be great when the high school reunion comes around.

617 uptight  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:54:09pm

The main benefit of cold fusion is that we can tell the Saudis, Chavez and every other pariah regime with oil to go screw themselves.

More than that.

If every production automobile and industrial machine relies on this new technology, we can DENY the technology to countries that abuse human rights with shit like Shariah Law.

If they don't have 21st Century laws and society, they have to make a choice, either ditch the 7th Century shit or stay in the 7th century and saddle that camel

618 uptight  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:57:38pm

oh and sure that's blackmail, but wtf have OPEC been doing to the world since their formation?

why are the Saudis "our friends"

well, in future they earn that friendship - We need nothing from them anymore, so if they want new cars and machines, they'll need our technology. They'll need our approval and they won't get it while their women are dressed like Darth Vader

619 panda  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:03:23am

In Michael Brooks' book "Thirteen Things that don't make Sense" he reviews some of the burning scientific controversies of our day. There is a wonderful chapter on cold fusion and that, despite the ruin of two prominent scientists, there is a serious argument to be made that cold fusion really exists. He also details the rather flimsy evidence that was used to discredit the original experiments and the horrendous mistake by the two original scientists made by going public too early (under tremendous pressure by The University of Utah). The chapter ends with a note that the Navy's Space and Warfare Research Center (the same quoted in the article here), had hard evidence of cold fusion but the scientists there were afraid to go public in order to not ruin their careers.

A great read of a book, and if you want a great review of how we got here in cold fusion, read it.

620 panda  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:04:51am

re: #619 panda

Oh I posted the website in the wrong field (so sorry). Here is a link:

[Link: www.13thingsthatdontmakesense.com...]

621 Canoe Train  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:41am

re: #286 acwgusa

Women like buying expensive shoes, why not let the man in your life get a motorcycle?

/kidding

622 Canoe Train  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:46am

If nobody else has done this yet, I shall post it:

Kidding on /

Youtube Video


/As I wrote before, I'm kidding. Some people around here can't take a joke.

623 Sheepdogess  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:28:13am

Thank you sailor girls and boys! Another upding for the military.

You know this going to make Obama angry. I hope he doesn't close down the Navy lab.

624 medaura18586  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #63 Sharmuta

No- reading the whole article, this really sounds like it could lead to an entirely new field of science. I've often thought that the kids today were very bright (pity they don't have proper schools) but the brightest of these kids would figure out our energy problem, and this might be the new field where just such a thing will occur. We shall see.

I'm skeptical:

"We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics."

Chemistry is already a sub-field of physics. Were they talking about a hybrid between physics and, say, psychology, then surely I'd be excited. Nothing ground breaking can come from a hybrid between chemistry and physics; merely a different focus in existing science.

In any case, I can't wait to see someone attempt to replicate the results. I'd put my money on hot fusion remaining the only game in town for the time being, and what a great game it is!

625 lostlakehiker  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:48:42am

re: #497 funky chicken
(((snip))) Why not get on with [renewable]? (((snip ends)))

1. not economically feasible at this time. we need to use fossil fuels as efficiently as possible and invest the money into researching how to make the altie sources economically feasible.

2. more (lots more) money could be made to invest in the altie fuel research if we could get all the oil that is here CONUS...but the enviros won't let us. I don't think they are too stupid to understand that, so their committment to actually finding economical altie energy sources is highly suspect.

3. China first, baby. If China isn't on board, destroying our economy by killing the coal industry is just stupid and won't accomplish anything anyway.


Agreed, mostly. As to 1, some projects are economically more or less feasible right now. Whether wind power is economically feasible right now depends on the daily price of oil, for instance. Whether a wind power project is economically feasible right now depends on future fossil fuel prices. Whether mass construction of wind power is feasible right now depends on the rate at which we can move up the learning curve, it depends on political factors such as getting easements for high-voltage DC power lines, and so forth.

There's a lot of bad faith in evidence from the left on altie energy. They're for wind, but not in Nantuckett. They're for nuclear, but don't put the waste in NV. Don't put it anywhere else, either. And they're for solar, but don't shade the desert. (Wait for it!)

Solar photovoltaics is confined to niche markets for the time being. Solar thermal requires further R&D before it can be deployed. Here, "getting on with it" has to mean funding that R&D more intensively, while building pilot projects.

Nuclear? Political obstacles are the biggest ones. There is no technical bar to fuel cycles that use most of the mined U238, converting it to plutonium or thorium before fissioning it. If we try to run a national economy on cooking U235, we'll hit shortages in a century or less.

2. There isn't all that much oil left, unfortunately. The cynic in me says that it'll be worth far more in a couple of decades than it is now, so why not buy cheap oil from abroad, now, and use our own when we finally realize its true price? The other reasons people give for not developing the remaining domestic oil are pretty lame. We can drill ANWR without destroying it. Same for offshore CA.

3. China AND India. There are well understood ways to negotiate agreements that would be in everyone's interest but nobody wants to go first. If, and it's a big if, we get to the point that India and China conclude that it would be to their interest to be part of an AGW treaty and to abide by the terms, provided only that the U.S. and Europe also sign on and abide by the terms, we can work out the details so that everybody signs on and lives up to their commitments. It'll take stronger evidence of AGW and observable, generally understood harm to India and China from letting AGW run its course, before the political will to act can be summoned. Until then, making major cuts in our own use of coal has to be recognized as a fantasy.

626 jimc  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:49:42am

re: #603 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sorry, wish I knew. If my hubby wasn't asleep I'd ask him.

I just don't get this serial dinging at all. He got hit pretty hard on the weekend but at least he has the guts to get out here and say something. Some of them have never made a comment. LOL

well it was entertaining to see the sleuthing going on here. Wondering about a mad dinger in the night, lol. Let me explain. I use this webbrowser, it is called Firefox. And in this web browser there is an option to right click on a link and open the link in a new tab. This allows me to open up several comments and go thru them. I read thru them and closed the tabs of the comments I wasn't going to downding, the ones I planned to downding I left open, and then simply switching tabs, downdinged those. No great mystery. Try it is simple, right click a link, you'll open up great wonders and mysterious things will be revealed. But glad to entertain you all. And yes I expect to be downdinged for this one and no I don't care...

627 justabill  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:35:22am

re: #111 Desert Dog

My Scientific to English translator is busted, what does that say, in a nutshell? Remember, I have a history degree, so use small words

I am not sure I can explain it to a history major, but I know they sometimes study political science as well, so here goes my attempt at explaining a Tokamak for pol sci students...

First we start with magnetics. Just like the magnetic personality of Our Dear Leader President Obama can bring people together, we can use electro-magnets to bring hydrogen atoms together. So, like a big group hug, we squeeze the hydrogen atoms together.

Now, these atoms are all alike, and not being educated in public schools, they are somewhat homophobic. Each atom is clothed with an electron. The electrons repel each other keeping the atoms, in the eyes of some traditionalists, a proper distance apart. Fortunately we can turn up the heat. This causes the electrons to come off, eliminating the initial resistance of the atoms to get closer together.

The next step is to increase the magnetism. By doing this we make the group hug tighter. Now at their core, the hydrogen atoms are still positive that they don't want to get any closer together. However by increasing the magnetism, we increase the pressure on them to do just that. Once we bring them close enough together, some of the atoms become attracted to one another. This, of course is our goal. This strong attractive force experienced by some of the atoms, overcomes the repulsive force that the atoms were so positive about moments before. These atoms move even closer together and form a union which the laws of physics and chemistry are forced to recognize. The energy created by this movement can change the world.

628 Claire  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:50:44am

re: #624 medaura18586

Chemistry is already a sub-field of physics.

Umm, not really. All sciences use the laws of physics, but Chemists can do work in their fields without caring about the fundamental properties of the materials. They just measure the empirical results.

629 UncleRancher  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:56:40am

I see April First is coming a bit early this year. /kidding

We've spent a few billion chasing controlled fusion and so far we've not been able to extract enough energy to run the equipment. It's a science still in need of a breakthrough to get it into a practical realm. The best way we know so far to light the fuse is to use a fission bomb, and the result is a big hole in the ground with radioactive dust scattered everywhere downwind. That process changed the world, but not for the better.

630 docremulac  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 9:32:26am

From what I understand, cold fusion is a little like dark light.

Fusion needs some kind of force to make it happen. In hydrogen bombs we use atomic fission bombs to squish a bunch of stuff together. In nature gravity compresses the hydrogen of stars to make them burn. These are not insignificant forces and to try to figure out how to replicate them with a battery, a coil and a really hot cup of tea sounds a little suspect.

With my very limited knowledge of advanced physics, I'll risk making a scientific evaluation that sounds like such classics as "Why would anybody need a computer in their home?" and "Man will never travel to the moon".

Cold fusion is the perpetual motion of our time.

Prove me wrong and I'd happily wear a dunce cap in a world with un-limited practically free energy. Just don't ask for my tax dollars to do the research without a better theory than: "It would be really, really cool."

631 classicLib  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 9:35:10am

If this works, it will be the liberals worst nightmare. Can you imagine if the masses have access to cheap and clean energy? Tough to control the masses that have a new found freedom.

I guarantee that if this turns out to be legit, look for liberals to try and squash it with great prejudice. They'll think of some pretzel enviro logic that will get repeated ad nauseum.

632 jimc  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #631 classicLib

If this works, it will be the liberals worst nightmare. Can you imagine if the masses have access to cheap and clean energy? Tough to control the masses that have a new found freedom.

I guarantee that if this turns out to be legit, look for liberals to try and squash it with great prejudice. They'll think of some pretzel enviro logic that will get repeated ad nauseum.

I'm betting it will somehow put too much of a burden on the poor and therefore shouldn't be pursued...when in doubt exploit the poor...liberal tactics 101

633 docremulac  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 2:25:34pm

Unlimited free energy would be the best thing in the world for poor people so liberals would hate it. The price of everything would plummet, more goods and services would be available to more people and the lines between the classes would blur. Bad news for a class warmonger.

Liberals need the poor to feed their egos and line their pocketbooks via their poverty perpetuating "humanitarian" programs. That's why the Obamorons are so busy doing everything they can to populate this country with as many poor people as possible, from opening the borders to turning the middle class into the lower class.

In a world where everybody is rich, prosperous and happy, who needs the liberals to save the day?

634 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 2:47:50pm

Also off topic, but I wish to weigh in on the cold fusion thing from a physics viewpoint.

Nuclear fusion reactions release large amounts of neutrons. In fact, a neutron bomb is little more than a very high efficiency fusion bomb (or H bomb). We actually understand fusion processes very well.

One problem with reports that researchers have seen fast neutrons floating around is that they are still alive. Proper precautions can be taken, and perhaps (and I say perhaps with the biggest possible grain of salt) that whatever they are doing produces so few events that there is no real danger.

A stronger argument comes from the curve of binding energy and the potential that needs to be overcome in order to cause fusion. Positively charged nuclei repel - they repel very very strongly. If you bash them together hard enough and in the right way, short range nuclear forces (which are stronger than E&M can take over, but you have to over come the very strong, long range, EM potential barrier first.)

The ways that this happens in nature are very violent and very powerful. In a star, the massive gravity of the star itself presses down on the nuclei until they fuse. In an H-bomb, we use the shock wave of an atomic blast to compress the nuclei together. In controlled fusion experiments we use very powerful Tokamaks or huge, almost death star like (many many megawatts) lasers to do it. I simply do not believe that any chemical reaction could possibly have enough energy to overcome the potential barrier.

I am deeply, deeply skeptical and I would bet a large amount of money that whatever signal these researchers have seen will turn out to be the result of a systematic error.

635 Sacred Plants  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:45:27am

And the reason why someone would want to do that on the planet is...?

636 NCusTranshumanist  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 6:46:05am
so moonbat lefty envirowackos will lump it together with fission power and refuse to budge on it as well.

To quote Fiona from Burn Notice:

"Shall we shoot them?"

637 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 8:29:56am

Forget about cold fusion - hot fusion is the way to go.

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