The mainstream media unanimously gave credence to reports of IDF atrocities in Gaza, and now these reports have been shown to be completely false. Will they publish corrections? (A rhetorical question.)
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:30:25am |
Nope. Damn false accusations, I'll bet every time they run in our media, the Islamist media picks it up and goes "see? SEE?" Glad the charges fell apart!
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Right mind left Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:32:21am |
Of course they will, but somehow it got cut off in the final print. They don't know how that happened, and are so sorry, it really won't happen again!
/
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NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:32:29am |
The Muslim world has cried wolf so many times. When will we stop heeding the call?
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:34:13am |
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Buck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:34:43am |
The damage the original stories do is so incredible.
Makes me sick.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:34:59am |
As the New York Times circles the drain.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
New York Times plans temporary pay cut, layoffs
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NEW YORK – The New York Times Co. is cutting pay for most employees by 5 percent for a nine-month period and laying off 100 people.
The company's flagship newspaper reported on its Web site Thursday that the cuts will hit most nonunion workers and run from April through December. Employees will receive 10 days off in return.
The Times reported that union employees have been asked to take the cut voluntarily to avoid potential layoffs at the company, which has been struggling with an industrywide advertising downturn.
Job cuts will come in the business operations of The New York Times, amounting to 5 percent of the total 2,000 workers in that part of the company.
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Ben Hur Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:35:00am |
Yonit Levy, that beautiful hotty newswoman in the video, is a completely biased against Israel in her reporting. There was a Facebook page against her (set up by Israelis) during Operation Cast Lead.
(She also was a friend of the Hur's in uni and the Hur FAILED miserably to close the deal)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:35:35am |
Ah, this will run in the back pages of the sports section.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:37:19am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:37:59am |
They wouldn't need corrections if Israel would allow the free flow of information.
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Relying on Liars time and time again says a ton.
They lie, we all know it.
To keep giving them a voice ?
Well, fishwrap it is.
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Edouard Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:38:08am |
Yet another libelous story about Israel that flies around the world before the truth has a chance to emerge.
The truth has no chance in this contemporary hate-Israel global climate. It's like Bambi meets Godzilla.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:38:23am |
Reposting this from like 23 hours ago.
Shocka, what this boiled down to was a Major Human Rights case justifying terrorism on the Hamas side, based on ----- now wait for it ---- graffiti.
That's right sports fans the Associated Press is now equating the Nazi Death camps with "Kilroy was here"
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Opinionated Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:38:31am |
All the News that Fits to Condemn Israel.....with no correction or apology.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:38:43am |
re: #9 lifeofthemind
As the New York Times circles the drain.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
New York Times plans temporary pay cut, layoffs
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NYT 4.92 +0.35
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NEW YORK – The New York Times Co. is cutting pay for most employees by 5 percent for a nine-month period and laying off 100 people.
The company's flagship newspaper reported on its Web site Thursday that the cuts will hit most nonunion workers and run from April through December. Employees will receive 10 days off in return.
The Times reported that union employees have been asked to take the cut voluntarily to avoid potential layoffs at the company, which has been struggling with an industrywide advertising downturn.
Job cuts will come in the business operations of The New York Times, amounting to 5 percent of the total 2,000 workers in that part of the company.
The business section. The only section worth reading.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:39:33am |
re: #15 lifeofthemind
Reposting this from like 23 hours ago.
Shocka, what this boiled down to was a Major Human Rights case justifying terrorism on the Hamas side, based on ----- now wait for it ---- graffiti.
That's right sports fans the Associated Press is now equating the Nazi Death camps with "Kilroy was here"
That's kinda sad...really really sad...pathetic...I need a dose of comedy. Can someone make a joke about this whole affair, please!?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:39:34am |
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:39:48am |
re: #9 lifeofthemind
* * * *
Thank you for posting this EXCELLENT news.
BANKRUPT the mouthpieces of cowards & monsters.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:39:58am |
A lie will travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its shoes on.
~attributed to Mark Twain
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GOP Goalie Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:40:02am |
re: #10 Ben Hur
Yonit Levy, that beautiful hotty newswoman in the video, is a completely biased against Israel in her reporting. There was a Facebook page against her (set up by Israelis) during Operation Cast Lead.
(She also was a friend of the Hur's in uni and the Hur FAILED miserably to close the deal)
Hur - look at it this way, you avoided getting moonbat on your 3-wood, if you know what I mean...
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Gang of One Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:40:40am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:41:01am |
OT - We have a Blizzard her in Denver Metro area. Comcast was down in my area for 5 hours, just came back up. This affected both internet communications and phone, plus other related network traffic that is carried over Comcast cables.
If you have been having any trouble contacting server or people in the Denver area, that may be the reason.
We are back online (west side of metro area).
FYI.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:41:04am |
I'm still pissed off at the last thread. Well not the thread but the FUCKING DRAWING. I wont call it a cartoon or characature. Its a perverted drawing and I am not Jewish.
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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:41:33am |
re: #17 Eowyn2
The business section. The only section worth reading.
Hi Eowyn2! Not sure it's the business section per se; sounds more like the business ops folks - accounting, etc. Hey, with revenue sinking like a rock, who needs accountants, right?
;-)
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:41:44am |
re: #17 Eowyn2
The business section. The only section worth reading.
* **
Don't give the NYT a lifeline, cut them off. Cut off their oxygen. Their decent reporters can go work at the Wall Street Journal or other still reputable news organization.
BANKRUPT these cowards.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:43:05am |
It seems the both Ha’aretz and the New York Times, which gave these stories great play despite a clear lack of evidence, should be composing forthright corrections – preferably to be run on the front page.
They will not print corrections unless forced to.
No one will force them to, and that's proper.
The REAL problem is, there's no media watchdog of any great circulation which will (metaphorically) put these papers' malfeasance up on billboards and shout it to the world.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:44:15am |
re: #29 pre-Boomer Marine brat
They will not print corrections unless forced to.
No one will force them to, and that's proper.The REAL problem is, there's no media watchdog of any great circulation which will (metaphorically) put these papers' malfeasance up on billboards and shout it to the world.
What about us? And Ace? And Iowahawk? and Newsbusters? And all the rest?
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pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:44:33am |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:44:39am |
re: #30 KenJen
They just get a bailout.
Let them die in stages. They're way smaller than "Too big to fail" now, aren't they?
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dhg4 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:44:48am |
Charles, I know it's a rhetorical question. Still ...
I found that it took about 4 months for the NY Times to finally run a report that Jenin wasn't a massacre.
And when Karsenty won against Enderlin last year, neither the NYT nor WaPo reported it. (The Times did cover it in its blog, The Lede.) Still this was a case that went to the heart of how news organizations gathered their news. So neither newspaper really cared about the process that could compromise their integrity.
Both papers also defended giving op-ed space to Hamas terrorists.
And I don't expect either to apologize for running the Oliphant cartoon. So I guess, as the lawyers say, res ipsa loquitur.
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:45:12am |
re: #30 KenJen
They just get a bailout.
* * *
Maybe, but wouldn't it be satisfying to see the NYT bankrupts first, and sitting out on the curb asking "spare any change?"
Bankrupt them, I say. Ignore them. Tell everyone and anyone you know who still reads these old rags to get their news elsewhere.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:45:39am |
re: #34 CyanSnowHawk
Let them die in stages. They're way smaller than "Too big to fail" now, aren't they?
Oh, but the Democrats have so much luuuuuv for them.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:45:45am |
re: #22 GOP Goalie
Hur - look at it this way, you avoided getting moonbat on your 3-wood, if you know what I mean...
...can't say I do...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:45:54am |
re: #26 MandyManners
*gasp*
Missing you in Denver. We have a nice blizzard going, come on down.
LOL.
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yesandno Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:00am |
Apologize....for what? Oh that was so yesterday. We can't look backwards. We have to look towards the future. To the next time when they actually do what we said they did this time but didn't do so far but will undoubted do in the future because that is what we believe.
Told you so.........
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:00am |
THe al Jazeera outlet Martin Savitch's Newswatch on PBS ran this with the Arab video of interviews with traumatized Gazans with graffiti "Hi there IDF" on their walls, pathetic.
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Emerald Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:16am |
This is the true way that the advent of the Internet killed the print media. It's not the excuses the MSM put out - people can get it for free, faster, etc. It's that people now know how distorted the MSM is. It used to be no one knew how unbalanced a story was unless they were directly involved. Thanks to email, blogs, alternative news sources and the like people have access to more information, not the bits the MSM bothered to share.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:33am |
re: #39 Ward Cleaver
Oh, but the Democrats have so much luuuuuv for them.
Not enough apparently to purchase any advertising, however.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:37am |
re: #38 alegrias
* * *
Maybe, but wouldn't it be satisfying to see the NYT bankrupts first, and sitting out on the curb asking "spare any change?"Bankrupt them, I say. Ignore them. Tell everyone and anyone you know who still reads these old rags to get their news elsewhere.
I have few kind words for anyone who reads that commie bastard rag and dares to mention it in front of me.
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pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:55am |
re: #28 alegrias
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Don't give the NYT a lifeline, cut them off. Cut off their oxygen. Their decent reporters can go work at the Wall Street Journal or other still reputable news organization.BANKRUPT these cowards.
Good grief. The decent reporters are already gone.
The reason they are not yet bankrupt is because they still have a very viable audience for the crap they publish ...in fact, in many circles NTY is the final word. Been on a college campus lately?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:46:56am |
re: #27 subsailor68
Hi Eowyn2! Not sure it's the business section per se; sounds more like the business ops folks - accounting, etc. Hey, with revenue sinking like a rock, who needs accountants, right?
;-)
That's kind of like cartoon physics - if you don't look down, you won't fall.
But it is probably in billing, accounts receivable, etc. If there are fewer ads, they don't need as many people processing payments.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:47:12am |
re: #41 Walter L. Newton
Missing you in Denver. We have a nice blizzard going, come on down.
LOL.
Damn, and I'm stuck in sunny San Diego
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Wishing Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:47:20am |
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:47:42am |
In the immortal words of former President G.W. Bush, the NYT are "major league assholes", though their reputation is dead because they whore themselves for horrible ideologies.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:48:22am |
re: #47 pink freud
Good grief. The decent reporters are already gone.
The reason they are not yet bankrupt is because they still have a very viable audience for the crap they publish ...in fact, in many circles NTY is the final word. Been on a college campus lately?
Yep. They give it out for free over here. Maybe that's the only way they get circulation?
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:48:22am |
re: #39 Ward Cleaver
Oh, but the Democrats have so much luuuuuv for them.
* * *
Notice Obama didn't call on any WashPost or NYT reporters at his most recent "press" conference.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:48:30am |
I am sure that there is nothing to the rumors that Pat Oliphant decorates his office with obscene parodies of the Mohammed cartoons. It would be terrible if unsubstantiated stories about that spread to the crazy people who get violent about such stories.
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GOP Goalie Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:48:43am |
re: #26 MandyManners
Cool! A super-lizard like Mandy noticed a 'still feels like a newbie because he lurks more than he posts' like me...and it wasn't with the cluebat!
I am suitably humbled and honored...
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:48:59am |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Damn, and I'm stuck in sunny San Diego
Now now, don't go teasing Denver.
/Who am I kidding? THE BRONCOS SUCK!
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:49:11am |
re: #45 CyanSnowHawk
Not enough apparently to purchase any advertising, however.
Why would they, when these rags give the Democrats free ads on their "news" and "editorial" pages?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:49:13am |
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Wishing Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:08am |
re: #47 pink freud
Good grief. The decent reporters are already gone.
The reason they are not yet bankrupt is because they still have a very viable audience for the crap they publish ...in fact, in many circles NTY is the final word. Been on a college campus lately?
Hey! Maybe Alex Jones could get a job with the NY Slimes!
...they love a conspiracy, no?
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:10am |
re: #54 KenJen
Boycott the advertisers also.
What advertisers? You used to get a hernia lifting it, now it slips under the door.
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pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:15am |
Sure, right after the MSM apologizes for their slobbering, non-journalistic coverage for Mr. TOTUS that put him on the throne.
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joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:15am |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
How much global warming do you have so far?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:30am |
beware the Rooster...there is unfinished business in the netherlands
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:50:58am |
I think the "Rabin college students" who leaked this pile of horseshit to Haaretz and the Guardian should be sued by IDF "Cast Lead" combat vets to within an inch of their lives.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:03am |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
I've been having trouble in the evenings lately. I think their west coast network is having some trouble lately.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:11am |
re: #63 pupdawg
Sure, right after the MSM apologizes for their slobbering, non-journalistic coverage for Mr. TOTUS that put him on the throne.
Teleprompter of the U.S.? Or something more obscene?
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dhg4 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:45am |
re: #66 Westward Ho
That's from last week, when the allegations first surfaced. The CAMERA article Charles pointed to is in reaction to those charges, where found to be largely, unfounded.
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GOP Goalie Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:49am |
re: #64 joncelli
How much global warming do you have so far?
about as much as there is warm and fuzzy feelings between Cutler and the new coach...
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albusteve Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:52am |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
I've been having trouble in the evenings lately. I think their west coast network is having some trouble lately.
Big Brother is watching you...
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:52:00am |
re: #46 Nevergiveup
I have few kind words for anyone who reads that commie bastard rag and dares to mention it in front of me.
* * **
My elderly mother only misses the Obituary section of the WashPost, having cancelled their subscription after 30 some years!
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Emerald Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:52:03am |
re: #47 pink freud
Good grief. The decent reporters are already gone.
The reason they are not yet bankrupt is because they still have a very viable audience for the crap they publish ...in fact, in many circles NTY is the final word. Been on a college campus lately?
I know for a fact that part of my graduate fees went to pay for the online subscription to the NYT offered through the college library. I did my part and refused to use any of their articles in anything I had to write.
It's like CNN and airports. If you take away the captive audience, the real numbers are a lot smaller than what gets reported.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:52:39am |
re: #71 GOP Goalie
about as much as there is warm and fuzzy feelings between Cutler and the new coach...
Cutler is acting like an ass...what a punk
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:52:40am |
re: #56 GOP Goalie
I gotta' tell you that I laughed after I gasped.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:53:45am |
re: #73 alegrias
* * **
My elderly mother only misses the Obituary section of the WashPost, having cancelled their subscription after 30 some years!
Now how is she going up update her phonebook?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:53:45am |
re: #32 davinvalkri
What about us? And Ace? And Iowahawk? and Newsbusters? And all the rest?
Notice my deliberate bolding: ... "of any great circulation".
And see this, posted by Pyrocles just after the election.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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MikeAlv77 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:02am |
But those Jews might have done it and thats what counts... Not the Muslims who would and have actually done it.
Just once I would like to see the IDF really "unleash the dogs of war" and show what they could do if they wanted. Take a town that is shooting rockets at them and just waste it... I'm talking biblical type stuff. Salt the ground, never existed.. If you are going to be hated, might as well be feared too...
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pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:06am |
re: #64 joncelli
How much global warming do you have so far?
Like the rest of us in the world he is probably up to his ass in it.
'Climate change and hope and yes we can', read Mr.T (TOTUS).
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:09am |
They got some liberal prick on FOX now taking the side against drug testing for anything.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:16am |
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Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:21am |
BTW, San Diego/Southern CA lizards, found us a good place for the meet up, looking at April 25th, check your email or email me for details
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yma o hyd Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:36am |
In the report just below that linked by Charles there is this interesting comment, taken from Yediot:
'(Major) Zuaretz, a company commander, also questioned the integrity of the soldiers who made the controversial claims, saying "if this was such a burning issue for them, why have they remained silent until now? On an ethical and moral level, they were obligated to stop what they claimed had occurred and not wait two months to be heard at some esoteric debate."'
Just so!
But clearly - the FMFM prefer to give credence to some LLL 'debates, without any fact checking, especially if that slur comes from Israeli academics.
The aim is not to inform - the aim is to instill Jew Hate everywhere, by any means, and truth (and professionalims) be damned.
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joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:50am |
re: #76 MandyManners
[Whispering] Hey Mandy -- GOP Goalies likes you! [Giggles]
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Lincolntf Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:54:52am |
re: #4 NukeAtomrod
Probably never. The people listening to the "Muslim world" have absolutely no interest in the truth. The fact that those same people populate the U.N., the press, and the White House pretty much obviates the possibility of any significant "Change".
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Bubblehead II Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:09am |
How long until otingoC comes running to their aid spouting that they were duped?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:09am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
Then big brother
is really boreddoesn't think he can get any more money out of you.
FIFY.
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FrumiousFalafel Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:37am |
There are some signs that the Israelis are finally learning how to fight the media war during a military operation. I've read that they were already markedly better during Gaza than during Lebanon II. Further, I've read that there is finally a growing realization that more money needs to be put into a professional response team -- almost like the rapid response group that Bill Clinton had organized during his first run for presidency (I'm forgetting the name they assigned to that group... anyone?)
But the point is that those of us in the US have been begging, pleading, screaming, etc at Israel to greatly improve their media operations. And it seems that slowly -- ever so slowly -- the Israelis are getting the message.
One thing I found heartening was the much reduced lack of images during the Gaza campaign as opposed to during Lebanon II. This is because Israel simply refused to allow any media into Gaza -- which I think was a damn good idea. They should do that for every operation.
It's one thing to be a "light unto the nations." It's another to let BBC et al. crawl around freely wherever you go to do battle. Let's hope Bibi will continue to clamp down on media access to battle zones. Although I think the next war is going to be a very nasty missile exchange between Israel and Iran.
The question is: what's Barak Obama going to do when he get's that 3AM call from US Air Control in Iraq that they've detected 50 - 100 Israeli planes screaming across Iraq on the way to Iran at lightening speeds? And people, this is going to happen probably this year -- the "red line" is not the amount of nuclear material Iran creates, but rather when will the Russians finally make delivery on this very sophisticated anti-aircraft system they sold Iran about 5 years ago but have delayed delivery on.
That's the red line for Israel since apparently only the F22 (which Israel does NOT have) can operate against the top-notch model of this Russian anti-aircraft system. All other fighter planes die within it's defensive "zone." In any case, Israel can simply not allow this coordinated system (S-300) to be deployed -- it's widely considered to be a "Game Changer." It can bring down planes.... get this up to 90 miles away(!) And for comparison, Israel fired their rockets at Syria's Nuclear plant at 35 miles away.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:37am |
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jimc Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:43am |
The mainstream media unanimously gave credence to reports of IDF atrocities in Gaza
And they will unanimously ignore the truth as well...
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:44am |
re: #78 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Notice my deliberate bolding: ... "of any great circulation".
And see this, posted by Pyrocles just after the election.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Ah s***. Guess the internet revolution still has some work to do, ah? Crap like this whole affair will probably help. I hope, I hope...
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:55:50am |
re: #81 Nevergiveup
They got some liberal prick on FOX now taking the side against drug testing for anything.
I think we need to start drug testing all elected officials, starting at the top.
Mr President - please pee into this cup.
I'm not sure what we'd do with the teleprompter.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:56:41am |
KILLGORE FOR PRESIDENT!
"let them eat fish!"
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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:56:57am |
The existence of the State of Israel is a crime against Humanity.
That is the basis of the MSM's logic.
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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:00am |
re: #77 CyanSnowHawk
Now how is she going up update her phonebook?
* * *
Good one. Mom has Alzheimers and enjoyed the WashPost well-written obituary stories about about real people, especially those who lived through WWII and escaped Nazi Europe as she did.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:03am |
False reports of IDF "Wanton Killing" is old news. No time to retract it when the MSM is reporting on a:
Man Eating Star of David being directed by a sword wielding Zio-Nazi.
(Boy, talk about an oxymoron.)
/booby trapped schools? what?
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Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:13am |
re: #93 Kosh's Shadow
I think we need to start drug testing all elected officials, starting at the top.
Mr President - please pee into this cup.I'm not sure what we'd do with the teleprompter.
Make sure its not running off DC or those fancy European plugs
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:27am |
re: #92 davinvalkri
Ah s***. Guess the internet revolution still has some work to do, ah? Crap like this whole affair will probably help. I hope, I hope...
*grin* (but with sympathy)
WE hope ... WE hope !
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yma o hyd Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:43am |
re: #55 lifeofthemind
I am sure that there is nothing to the rumors that Pat Oliphant decorates his office with obscene parodies of the Mohammed cartoons. It would be terrible if unsubstantiated stories about that spread to the crazy people who get violent about such stories.
Ye're a very wicked Lizard!
I like it, very much indeed!
:-)
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filetandrelease Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:57:48am |
re: #22 GOP Goalie
Hur - look at it this way, you avoided getting moonbat on your 3-wood, if you know what I mean...
Ouch
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:58:12am |
re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Make sure its not running off DC or those fancy European plugs
When the teleprompter wants a thrill, it plugs into a 220v outlet.
And when it is kinky as well, it tries 3 phase.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:59:00am |
re: #102 Kosh's Shadow
When the teleprompter wants a thrill, it plugs into a 220v outlet.
And when it is kinky as well, it tries 3 phase.
Uh-uhuhuh-uh-uhuhuh-UHUH-Uh
Uh.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:59:15am |
re: #89 FrumiousFalafel
That was a mixed bag, but the media still got its photos and agitprop out of Gaza, courtesy of stringers working alongside Hamas in the camps, hospitals, and schools.
How else was Mads Gilbert given the attention he was? Or the photos showing incidents that turned out to be different than alleged (claims of attacks on civilians or innocents standing near protesters, who turned out to be the ones throwing the Molotov cocktails and the like).
All one has to do is peruse the Operation Cast Lead coverage on my blog to see the damage inflicted by a media that still managed to get the Hamas propaganda out of Gaza.
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davinvalkri Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:59:26am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:00:16pm |
re: #85 joncelli
[Whispering] Hey Mandy -- GOP Goalies likes you! [Giggles]
*ssshhhh* *we're gonna' get in trouble for talking in class*
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yma o hyd Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:00:27pm |
re: #66 Westward Ho
That is from last week - and Haaretz, well, lets say its a LLL ... paper.
Just because its written and printed in Israel doesn't make it Holy Writ.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:00:29pm |
re: #102 Kosh's Shadow
When the teleprompter wants a thrill, it plugs into a 220v outlet.
And when it is kinky as well, it tries 3 phase.
As long as it uses a surge protector, I dont see how what it does in the privacy of its own home matters
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:01:36pm |
We all might as well get used to it. The next 4 years with Obama and the "Honest Broker" crowd in power is gonna be long and sad for supporters of America and Israel.
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yma o hyd Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:01:53pm |
re: #67 Alouette
I think the "Rabin college students" who leaked this pile of horseshit to Haaretz and the Guardian should be sued by IDF "Cast Lead" combat vets to within an inch of their lives.
I think his IDF comrades will probably use slightly more, ahem, direct methods!
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pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:01:53pm |
re: #74 Emerald
I know for a fact that part of my graduate fees went to pay for the online subscription to the NYT offered through the college library. I did my part and refused to use any of their articles in anything I had to write.
It's like CNN and airports. If you take away the captive audience, the real numbers are a lot smaller than what gets reported.
Speaking of the NYT and her liberal suckling clones throughout the nation, yesterday's local news reported The AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) laid off more employees this week. The paper's number of employees has gone from 500 to 230 now. Liberal rags and their unions at work. The MSM needs bailout money, evidently. Change we can see and trust!
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:02:18pm |
re: #100 yma o hyd
Ye're a very wicked Lizard!
I like it, very much indeed!
:-)
Googled "Wicked Lizard" and found this,
Image: 245px-News_Spider_Man_4_Lizard-1-.jpg
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:02:19pm |
re: #27 subsailor68
Hi Eowyn2! Not sure it's the business section per se; sounds more like the business ops folks - accounting, etc. Hey, with revenue sinking like a rock, who needs accountants, right?
;-)
blame the bean counters for the ad-sales revenue going down. sounds about right for the times.
Blame the Israelis for the 'palestinian problem'
Blame AIG for the financial dissolution of the US
Blame George Bush and/or Sarah Palin for everything else
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:03:38pm |
re: #110 yma o hyd
I think his IDF comrades will probably use slightly more, ahem, direct methods!
Small country, no place to hide.
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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:04:01pm |
re: #106 MandyManners
*ssshhhh* *we're gonna' get in trouble for talking in class*
Mr. Johnson! Mr. Johnson!
Mandy and joncelli are whispering in the back!
*turns and smirks*
;-P
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doppelganglander Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As long as it uses a surge protector, I dont see how what it does in the privacy of its own home matters
You win the internets!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:04:32pm |
JPost.com » Israel » Article
Mar 26, 2009 20:42
UN Human Rights Council censures Israel five times
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The United Nations Human Rights Council on Thursday approved five anti-Israel resolutions in which it took issue with Israel's continued settlement activity, its treatment of West Bank Palestinians and its January military operation in Gaza.
Canada was the sole country to object to all the resolutions. They were joined in one instance by the Netherlands, Germany and Italy, who opposed the resolution against Israeli military activity in Gaza.
To date the council has passed 26 anti-Israel resolutions out of the 32 motions to censure countries which it has approved since its inception in June 2006.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:05:46pm |
re: #117 Nevergiveup
The UN Human Rights Council is the most Orwellian group that has ever been conceived of. The Soviets couldn't have done better.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:05:52pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:06:08pm |
re: #115 jcm
Mr. Johnson! Mr. Johnson!
Mandy and joncelli are whispering in the back!
*turns and smirks*
;-P
*typing fast ... on an email to goddess*
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:07:07pm |
Do the math Barbie!
As I noted yesterday, in 1941 Hitler's SS Einsatzgruppen, using basic infantry weapons, murdered over a million people. One person, with a military rifle can easily kill dozens of people a day. If there are round ups, thousands.
We know that no more than 1400 people died in the Gaza war. This number is beyond dispute. So if even 10 Israeli soldiers committed serial acts of murder in Gaza, during the 21 days of fighting, the casualty figure would be at least twice the actual casualties. 10 x 10 x 15 (ten soldiers, ten days of fighting and 15 victims per day). If Israel had been rounding up people for a Hitler-style massacre, it is easy for a few dozen soldiers to force march 2-300 defenseless civilians and slaughter them and do this 5-6 times a day. Given Gaza is the most "densely populated place in the world," finding and dispatching victims would be militarily trivial. But then the numbers are an order of magnitude higher: 5 x 200 x 10, ten thousand dead (5 massacres, 200 dead per war crime and ten days of fighting).
There is the possibility that a couple of Israeli soldiers committed unlawful acts but if they did, there is zero statistical evidence it happened. Roughly 30,000 soldiers were in Gaza, less than 5% killed anyone (one soldier per KIA). We know that 3-400 of the casualties were killed in the initial airstrike and we know that Israel used thousands of precision munitions that sure must have killed at least half of the remaining KIA so, at MOST, 2% of the IDF troops killed anyone. This is the definition of fire discipline.
Had 4% of the troops killed anyone, there would have been 505 more ground fire casualties.
These numbers are not perfect. It is impossible to reverse reconstruct a war in complete detail but it is possible to state the obvious: no commander could have ordered serial war crimes or the statistics would be much higher. Even if only 15000 IDF troops were in Gaza, the data suggests that any unauthorized killing was de minimis.
To Israel's detractors who falsely accuse her or massacres, I say do the math and kiss my ass.
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Pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:07:19pm |
re: #2 Ben Hur
Damage already done.
That is the key factor in all of this.
The MSM's mantra, never let a faux crisis or fake picture go to waste...the truth and facts matter not.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:16pm |
Will the NYT palestinian, lebanese, et all 'stringers' feel the pinch?
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Pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:37pm |
re: #69 davinvalkri
Teleprompter of the U.S.? Or something more obscene?
That's it...TOTUS...Telepromteur Of The US.
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itellu3times Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:48pm |
Don't the Chinese kill the wontons before throwing them in the soup?
I mean, seriously, "wanton" killing, a couple of alleged events out of a month of major military activity? Even the allegations are laughable.
Do the Palestinians get some special joy out of degrading the very ideas of war crimes, by alleging tiny violations (usually nonexistent) by the Israelis, while ignoring what they themselves to against Israel, much less the actual holocaust? Aren't the accusations themselves crimes?
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:10:23pm |
re: #115 jcm
Mr. Johnson! Mr. Johnson!
Mandy and joncelli are whispering in the back!
*turns and smirks*
;-P
*spitball to the head*
Your ass is grass after class.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:10:40pm |
re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As long as it uses a surge protector, I dont see how what it does in the privacy of its own home matters
that's good.
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Pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:11:06pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:11:37pm |
Okay, but the Headless IDF Swordsman attacking the Gazan women and children with the Giant Predatory Magen David Unicycle, that really happened, right?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:13:04pm |
re: #126 itellu3times
Don't the Chinese kill the wontons before throwing them in the soup?
I mean, seriously, "wanton" killing, a couple of alleged events out of a month of major military activity? Even the allegations are laughable.
Do the Palestinians get some special joy out of degrading the very ideas of war crimes, by alleging tiny violations (usually nonexistent) by the Israelis, while ignoring what they themselves to against Israel, much less the actual holocaust? Aren't the accusations themselves crimes?
yes
yes
and
no, accusations are not crimes, however, the wanton (pork and fried) disregard for truth by the media is a crime.
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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:13:36pm |
re: #128 MandyManners
*spitball to the head*
Your ass is grass after class.
Uh-oh..........
*Maybe I can volunteer to clean the erasers.........*
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Westward Ho Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:03pm |
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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:26pm |
re: #131 Occasional Reader
Okay, but the Headless IDF Swordsman attacking the Gazan women and children with the Giant Predatory Magen David Unicycle, that really happened, right?
You saw the picture didn't you? You can't dispute the evidence!
/////
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:30pm |
re: #131 Occasional Reader
Okay, but the Headless IDF Swordsman attacking the Gazan women and children with the Giant Predatory Magen David Unicycle, that really happened, right?
Didn't you see the Memo?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:38pm |
re: #131 Occasional Reader
Okay, but the Headless IDF Swordsman attacking the Gazan women and children with the Giant Predatory Magen David Unicycle, that really happened, right?
It wasnt really a unicycle but one of those old "wheelies" with the small front wheel and the large back wheel and it was armored with rock deflecting chewing gum.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:13pm |
re: #117 Nevergiveup
JPost.com » Israel » Article
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The United Nations Human Rights Council on Thursday approved five anti-Israel resolutions in which it took issue with Israel's continued settlement activity, its treatment of West Bank Palestinians and its January military operation in Gaza.Canada was the sole country to object to all the resolutions. They were joined in one instance by the Netherlands, Germany and Italy, who opposed the resolution against Israeli military activity in Gaza.
To date the council has passed 26 anti-Israel resolutions out of the 32 motions to censure countries which it has approved since its inception in June 2006.
THe UN Human Rights Council reminds me of what the exemplar of Tolerance Oliver Cromwell is reputed to have said when dispersing the Rump Parliament.
"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:18pm |
re: #126 itellu3times
Don't the Chinese kill the wontons before throwing them in the soup?
I mean, seriously, "wanton" killing, a couple of alleged events out of a month of major military activity? Even the allegations are laughable.
Do the Palestinians get some special joy out of degrading the very ideas of war crimes, by alleging tiny violations (usually nonexistent) by the Israelis, while ignoring what they themselves to against Israel, much less the actual holocaust? Aren't the accusations themselves crimes?
And the graffitti. Oh noes, the atrocity of the graffittis.
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debutaunt Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:35pm |
re: #133 jcm
Uh-oh..........
*Maybe I can volunteer to clean the erasers.........*
This is way out of hand. Someone splatted me with their water pistol.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:40pm |
re: #133 jcm
Uh-oh..........
*Maybe I can volunteer to clean the erasers.........*
sigh, I'll probably have to walk you home again.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:09pm |
re: #122 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Don't you know, silly? Israel is continually perpetrating History's Least Competent Genocide®.
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paradox42 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:10pm |
re: #131 Occasional Reader
Okay, but the Headless IDF Swordsman attacking the Gazan women and children with the Giant Predatory Magen David Unicycle, that really happened, right?
Of course it did. Fortunately the GFMDU has stealth counter measures that render it invisible to the eye and camera, as well as noise dampeners that make it completely silent. It also has a phase disruptor unit that makes it phase out of our dimensions slightly when it comes in contact with a person or building, leaving no physical evidence of its presence and doing no damage to anything.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:13pm |
re: #133 jcm
Uh-oh..........
*Maybe I can volunteer to clean the erasers.........*
For the rest of the school year?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:49pm |
re: #140 debutaunt
This is way out of hand. Someone splatted me with their water pistol.
at least you hope it was a water pistol
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Westward Ho Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:18:40pm |
re: #142 Occasional Reader
Don't you know, silly? Israel is continually perpetrating History's Least Competent Genocide®.
Ah my friend you forgot the vast continent type territories that they have colonized during the last 40 yrs.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:19:07pm |
Israel should have all the reporters waiting to enter Gaza have to stay in Sderot for a while.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:19:31pm |
re: #117 Nevergiveup
at least Canada and the Dutch have their eyes open.
Where oh where is the US representative to the UN?
did they vote "present"
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:15pm |
re: #138 lifeofthemind
THe UN Human Rights Council reminds me of what the exemplar of Tolerance Oliver Cromwell is reputed to have said when dispersing the Rump Parliament.
"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
The 0 administration wants to get on the Council, so they can trash the Jews along with the other members.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:31pm |
re: #146 Westward Ho
Ah my friend you forgot the vast continent type territories that they have colonized during the last 40 yrs.
'Tis true. Those untold billions of Jewish colonialists!
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:37pm |
re: #148 Eowyn2
at least Canada and the Dutch have their eyes open.
Where oh where is the US representative to the UN?
did they vote "present"
The US isn't currently in the "Human Rights" Council.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:21:24pm |
re: #147 Kosh's Shadow
Israel should have all the reporters waiting to enter Gaza have to stay in Sderot for a while.
Won't help. The mind has been closed for too long. If anyone is hurt, it would be the Israelis fault for having caused the defensive bombardment by the peaceful palis.
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Opinionated Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:21:34pm |
NY Times has a new British Jewish columnist who week after week has only one obsession- time to screw Israel in every which way.
The Fierce Urgency of Peace
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:15pm |
re: #148 Eowyn2
at least Canada and the Dutch have their eyes open.
Where oh where is the US representative to the UN?
did they vote "present"
We are not on the UN "Human Rights" Council, I'm happy to report. Of course, I'm sure Obama is itching to change that.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:30pm |
re: #151 Kosh's Shadow
The US isn't currently in the "Human Rights" Council.
I wasn't sure and am too lazy to look it up because I get into google and get sidetracked. sometimes I even get sidetracked by work.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:53pm |
re: #149 Kosh's Shadow
The 0 administration wants to get on the Council, so they can trash the Jews along with the other members.
They want to get in the Clubhouse and rubbish the kikes like the other cool kids do.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:21pm |
re: #149 Kosh's Shadow
The 0 administration wants to get on the Council, so they can trash the Jews along with the other members.
Will he make Jimmah the representative?
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lifeofthemind Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:34pm |
re: #157 Eowyn2
Will he make Jimmah the representative?
Extra icing on the cake, they get to spread hate and do it using Your Money!
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Westward Ho Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:37pm |
Don't the Palis have any sense of irony shrieking about genocide with 10 bawling kids in front of the media?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:14pm |
re: #153 Opinionated
NY Times has a new British Jewish columnist who week after week has only one obsession- time to screw Israel in every which way.
The Fierce Urgency of Peace
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
As a general rule, anyone attempting to appropriate Martin Luther King's "fierce urgency of now" phrase in a non-ironic way has his or her head up his or her ass.
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paradox42 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:36pm |
re: #159 Westward Ho
Don't the Palis have any sense of irony shrieking about genocide with 10 bawling kids in front of the media?
No.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:39pm |
re: #160 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, Roger Cohen has stated that he is not a Jew; he merely has a Jewish name bequeathed to him by his father.
Apropos of nothing: I know an Epicopalian named Heifetz, and Jew named Doyle.
I just find that kind of funny.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:31:29pm |
re: #122 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Math is hard.
I'm going over to the women's studies class across the hall.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:32:10pm |
re: #157 Eowyn2
Will he make Jimmah the representative?
Maybe that's what they were talking about last week. I'm sure Dhimmy would be thrilled.
Quick - someone get a couple of rabbits in the UN building. By the time Jimmy gets there...
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Emerald Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:33:15pm |
re: #111 pupdawg
Speaking of the NYT and her liberal suckling clones throughout the nation, yesterday's local news reported The AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) laid off more employees this week. The paper's number of employees has gone from 500 to 230 now. Liberal rags and their unions at work. The MSM needs bailout money, evidently. Change we can see and trust!
Which is why I always get a chuckle out of their reporting on economic issues. They're dying; their readers told them why they left; they continue on the same path. They absolutely refuse to believe that their bias plays a part in their demise, but they expect to be taken seriously.
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Shug Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:35:43pm |
The reports were fake but accurate
/ leftist puke media
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LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:03pm |
re: #111 pupdawg
Speaking of the NYT and her liberal suckling clones throughout the nation, yesterday's local news reported The AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) laid off more employees this week. The paper's number of employees has gone from 500 to 230 now. Liberal rags and their unions at work. The MSM needs bailout money, evidently. Change we can see and trust!
An interesting take here on the media's leftward bent and the dangers of a government bailout:
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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ckb Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:03pm |
Through such tendentious choices is news made rather than reported.
Wow, what a great line at the very end.
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:49pm |
re: #127 buzzsawmonkey
We are on the same wavelength- I though of the pun and did not use because Barbie never worked the Eastern Front.
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Opinionated Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:41:46pm |
re: #160 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, Roger Cohen has stated that he is not a Jew; he merely has a Jewish name bequeathed to him by his father.
"Last month, Cohen, a British-born Jewish journalist,"
[Link: www.jewishjournal.com...]
If he doesn't consider himself Jewish- lucky us.
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Ateam Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:41pm |
The mainstream media unanimously hide the facts that without Israel's supplying the basic needs(*) - Gaza's population can't survive even one week.
(*)for an example: 80% of daily consuming electricity. Not to mention fresh water.
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AZDave Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:04pm |
The mainstream media unanimously gave credence to reports of IDF atrocities in Gaza, and now these reports have been shown to be completely false. Will they publish corrections?
No. But the reports will be referenced as examples of previous IDF atrocities.
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AZDave Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:54pm |
re: #4 NukeAtomrod
The Muslim world has cried wolf so many times. When will we stop heeding the call?
When all the Jews are dead. Then, they'll begin with the Christians.
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LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:53:43pm |
re: #6 buzzsawmonkey
Accusations have been loudly made, retractions have been quietly uttered.
Which will leave its trace on the public mind?
Would it be unreasonable to demand that when a calumny is made and then disproved that the retraction receive exactly as much coverage as the original lie. For example, if the lie received 5 headlines, the retraction should get a like number.
Enough of these 'corrections' on pg A27 in size 4 font.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:28pm |
re: #176 ploome hineni
ya think?
they are just regular non Jews Buzz
our community here is very special and different
I don't think our community here is that special. I have no close associates in here. Hell, I think there are only two lizards from MT but my friends and relatives most of my peripherals acquaintences are all pro-Israel.
But, if the mfm succeeds in giving the impression that Israel stands alone and that Jews everywhere are being abandoned by Christians by touting Pat Robertson and his ilk, then they will succeed in driving a wedge between neighbors and here in the US we will have another war between brothers.
It is up to us to push back on the wedge by nibbling it away, bit by bit. That means to share your culture, to share my culture (no, you cannot have my ham sandwich:) to reach out to each other. If someone says to you "Why do the Jews want Palestine, why cant there be two states" You must reply with "Palestine is not a nation, it is controlled by Hamas which wants nothing less than the destruction of Israel." You need to be calm because there are, really really stupid people in the world who need things explained slowly and with small words. Yes, it gets repetitive but at least we have the internet to keep us in touch with each other and you have your own personal '12 step group' here.
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Opinionated Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:01pm |
Even "sane" Arabs live in some parallel universe.
.........since at the time Egypt was a defeated nation having lost the Sinai Desert to Israel in the 1967 war. But Egypt's victory in the October War of 1973 put Sadat in a position to restart his mission for peace.
Ms. Sadat (his widow), a fellow at the Anwar Sadat Chair for Peace and Development at the University of Maryland
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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ssn697 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:03pm |
Another excellent link covering the "story":
[Link: honestreporting.com...]
/another Montana LGF'er...
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:15:38pm |
re: #184 ploome hineni
the community here is extraordinarily special
and, like you
don;t even realize it
{eowyn}
I refuse to ride the short bus. We will just have to spread the specialty among all sane people.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:17:28pm |
re: #187 ssn697
Another excellent link covering the "story":
[Link: honestreporting.com...]
/another Montana LGF'er...
How did you wind up with a minus 22 dings?
which town are you in.
I'm in the electric city and we have a guy in capitol city
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:18:19pm |
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Opinionated Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:41pm |
re: #189 Iron Fist
Who's sane?
(I want to point and giggle :-)
Lets keep a happy thought and imagine there is some Arab wondering the streets of his homeland- looking all around- and muttering to himself- you're all crazy.
That guy.
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kynna Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:05:08pm |
The MFM is so disgusting. I'm more appalled every day. They still refer to Jenin as a massacre. No way are they going back on this lie.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:21:36pm |
re: #185 Iron Fist
The next four years look like a long, dark tunnel. I can't see the other side from here.
The light at the end of the tunnel was turned off due to global warming.
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The Undead Buddy Holly Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:54:04pm |
The mainstream media unanimously gave credence to reports of IDF atrocities in Gaza, and now these reports have been shown to be completely false.
Intersting, I'd better check out the link.
The brigade commander of the unit linked to alleged “wanton killings” in Gaza launched his own investigation after hearing of the charges, speaking with actual eyewitnesses, all of whom said that the alleged killings did not took place.
That hardly equals "shown to be completely false".
I dunno what happened and neither do you. Accepting this as refutation is akin to accepting the initial Atlanta Police Department responses to the murder of Kathryn Johnston.
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ssn697 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:02:17pm |
re: #190 Eowyn2
How did you wind up with a minus 22 dings?
which town are you in.
I'm in the electric city and we have a guy in capitol city
Helena here. I have no idea what -22 dings means.
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The Undead Buddy Holly Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:19:46pm |
re: #197 ssn697
how would you suggest the truth be found?
Not by blindly accepting the word of the brigade commander. I imagine Lt. Calley's immediate commander would have found no evidence at My Lai. He have asked some questions and his troops would lie and, absent the bravery of Warrant Officer Thompson and his crew, that would have been that.
In all wars, atrocities are committed and covered up by all sides. If you haven't figured that out I strungly suggest some skepticism training.
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ssn697 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:26:04pm |
re: #191 Eowyn2
Sanity is a state. one of the 57
Ha, just found the "karma" feature. After watching the Repubs spend like drunken Democrats for so long, i don't buy the BS coming out of EITHER party's mouths. I am in full "prove it" mode. That probably gets me minused. I am guessing my dis of the "drill baby drill" stuff got me lots of "how dare you!" negs from those here who buy everything a particular party throws out.
I am 46 years old. Seen WAY too much of the world to blindly follow any political affiliation. I follow issues, like rampant militant Islamist growth throughout the world. Or, the backdoor shenanigans being attempted to subvert the 2nd amendment.
-22 karma points means I probably pissed off people, so I carry the number with pride!
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Eowyn2 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:36:33pm |
re: #195 The Undead Buddy Holly
That hardly equals "shown to be completely false".
I dunno what happened and neither do you. Accepting this as refutation is akin to accepting the initial Atlanta Police Department responses to the murder of Kathryn Johnston.
What we do know - from common sense.
1) the tunnels are not for carrying baby milk into gaza
2) thousands (yes, thousands) of false stories and pictures have been reported, staged, and adapted to make the Israelis look bad and the Palistinians (and/or Hezbos) look like the offended party.
3) the ratio of stories bombs into Israel VS actions by Israel are way off the charts in favor of actions by Israel which results in people actually believing that Israel has nothing better to do than kill Palestinians.
4) Palestine is NOT a country
5) Israel is a country
If the people of Nortwest Territories suddenly started raining bombs down on Saskatoon, Saskatchewan because they wanted the northpole to the 48th parallel, would the Canadian gvmt have reason for recourse (I really wanted to say Saskatoonians)
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The Undead Buddy Holly Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:17:41pm |
re: #201 Eowyn2
What we do know - from common sense.
1) the tunnels are not for carrying baby milk into gaza
2) thousands (yes, thousands) of false stories and pictures have been reported, staged, and adapted to make the Israelis look bad and the Palistinians (and/or Hezbos) look like the offended party.
3) the ratio of stories bombs into Israel VS actions by Israel are way off the charts in favor of actions by Israel which results in people actually believing that Israel has nothing better to do than kill Palestinians.
4) Palestine is NOT a country
5) Israel is a countryIf the people of Nortwest Territories suddenly started raining bombs down on Saskatoon, Saskatchewan because they wanted the northpole to the 48th parallel, would the Canadian gvmt have reason for recourse (I really wanted to say Saskatoonians)
1) Irrelevavt to this discussion, which is my assertation that the IDF brigade commander's investigation is hardly a credible refutation of the allegations.
2) True. Thousands, (yes thousands) of Palestinian woman and children have been killed by the IDF also. Not all of them were "collateral damage".
3) Ho-hum. Everybody claims media bias. I know others who will claim the exact opposite regarding U.S. media coverage of the conflict. CAMERA, which the post linked to, has a blatant pro-Israel bias. All of which is irrelevant to the discussion.
4) Irrelevant.
5) Irrelevant.
Your final question is easily answered with of course the Canadians have a right to defend their country. They would not be justified in deliberately killing civilians. I would hope you and I agree on that at least.
BTW, I generally find Israel to hold the moral high ground in the ME conflicts. But I am not a sucker for propoganda from either side in a hate filled conflict. My point was, and is, saying the brigades commander's "investigation" (yes, I meant to use scare quotes) is a credible refutation of the allegations is either disingenuous or incredibly naive.
If you'll excuse me, I'm off to the local bar to look for women with low standards.
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FrumiousFalafel Thu, Mar 26, 2009 5:07:20pm |
re: #202 The Undead Buddy Holly
Well then you've pretty much answered your own question with your admission that you generally "find Israel to hold the high ground in the ME conflicts."
If your friend, say, Tom generally tells the truth, even when it doesn't reflect well upon him, and your other friend, say, John generally does not tell the whole truth, or exaggerates to a large degree, or cries wolf frequently, then when a new point of contention comes in to play where the two disagree, it only follows logically, naturally, rationally, and with common sense that you will (properly) bias your initial beliefs towards Tom's version of the point of contention.
We make these judgments every day with both people and with groups of people. The fact is -- and it's not necessarily relevant that you know the entire underlying "moral machinery", but the Israeli Army is
1) Utterly and totally connected by cell phones AND they (and the rest of Israel) are one of the most avid users of cell phones of any country in the WORLD (second only to Iceland I believe). Bottom line is that they talk talk talk making it extremely difficult to keep a secret.
2) Practicing Jews, NON-practicing Israeli-Jews, Druze, and a few others in the IDF -- all feel a strong ethic which runs through that army -- that DefensiveArmy (BTW) which is unique in the world, full stop. Of course there are ne'er-do-wells, con-artists, criminals, spies, and the like, but the IDF is surprisingly stocked with people who take their job and ethical directives (not killing civilians and many more directives along those lines) far more seriously than I, for one, would in similar circumstances! Frankly, it's unbelievable the extent to which the IDF holds back on shooting innocents, or more famously erhaps, purposely guides a missile to an empty field at the last possible second because the "guider" (with his hand on a joy-stick) saw at the very last second a little girl walk into his view.
Stories like that abound and are so commonplace -- I don't understand why they aren't compiled and used for pro-propaganda purposes as they should be by Israel. One documentary film interviewing those missile guiders who have purposely destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars of top-of-the-line missiles because they saw a child at the last second would do WONDERS for Israel's image.
I ask: who else but the Americans and probably the British (and I'm no big fan of the British) do this kind of thing. And then the thousands...thousands of text messages sent to Palestinian cell phones to evacuate an hour before their houses would be attacked -- of course these messages also warned the bad guys to leave as well and ruined the entire purpose of the mission ALL in the name of adhering to a higher ethic -- who else does this?
Who shines a light on this incredibly ethical behavior that is entirely unique in wartime. Can you imagine all the work that went in to collating all the cell phone numbers and cross-referencing them with each and every house/address in Gaza in order to make those phone calls and warn the residents in Arabic to leave their house with ample time? It humbles me away to even think about it.
So: The Undead Buddy Holly - listen to your own gut on this one. You've already shown that you have a good "bullshit meter" and can tell that Israel generally holds the higher moral ground during conflict with radicalized Palestinians (one clue to this is that Israelis don't hack the heads of their daughters who have "gone astray"). So I say, follow the force Luke. In other words: you already know the answers to the questions you seek.
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Seax Thu, Mar 26, 2009 7:40:19pm |
re # 15.
I think they were actually more upset with the
Gazan street graffiti that read along the lines of....
... "IDF was Here"
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Pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 8:24:23pm |
re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As long as it uses a surge protector, I dont see how what it does in the privacy of its own home matters
...but if it stays up for more than 4 hours call your physician or 'Ripley's Believe It Or Not' immediately.
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Pupdawg Thu, Mar 26, 2009 8:29:37pm |
re: #166 Emerald
Which is why I always get a chuckle out of their reporting on economic issues. They're dying; their readers told them why they left; they continue on the same path. They absolutely refuse to believe that their bias plays a part in their demise, but they expect to be taken seriously.
Bias? There is no bias in the NYT or her demon spawn like the AJC...and surely no liberal bias! They remain absolutely clueless while dying.
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