Friday Morning Open
Sure, understanding today’s complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But, there they are.
— Firesign Theatre, I Think We’re All Bozos On This Bus
Sure, understanding today’s complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But, there they are.
— Firesign Theatre, I Think We’re All Bozos On This Bus
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:32am |
I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.
5 tries, I died all 5 times.
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joncelli Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:51am |
How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:02am |
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Shakespeare for enlightening me as to how I need to view the Obama administration and its budget, social program proposals, and stimulus crap:
Now is the center of our discontent,
Made more laborious by this son of Pork.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:11am |
Great rant:
Curse the blasted jelly-boned swines, the slimy belly-wriggling invertebrates, the miserable sodding rotters, the flaming sods, the sniveling, dribbling, dithering, palsied pulseless lot that make up England today. They've got white of egg in their veins, and their spunk is that watery, it's a marvel they can breed . . . Why, why, why, was I born an Englishman! - D. H. Lawrence (1855 - 1930)
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:39am |
"Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:40am |
re: #6 joncelli
How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?
Good question. we have to keep abreast of these things.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:24:16am |
re: #6 joncelli
How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?
You breast not encourage us. We will start tittering about it soon enough.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:24:39am |
re: #11 buzzsawmonkey
I love "I Think We're All Bozos on this Bus."
And here I thought Bozo was just inside that little box we call a TV.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:00am |
Repost from the last thread. Live feed of the memorial for the fallen officers of the Oakland Police Department.
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:10am |
re: #12 DaddyG
You breast not encourage us. We will start tittering about it soon enough.
That was very bra-zen of you.
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NonNativeTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:15am |
re: #8 debutaunt
Hey , don't make this an evolution thread /
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:22am |
Fargo Flood Waters Break Record, Spur Evacuations
North Dakota’s Red River is forecast to swell for at least another day after breaking a 112- year-old flood record in Fargo today and forcing hundreds of people to flee their homes.A leaking levee in Fargo, the state’s largest city, prompted 40 families to leave their residences last night, Cecily Fong, a spokeswoman for North Dakota Emergency Services, said by telephone. Workers piled more than a half million sandbags against waters that may not subside for a week, compounding the city’s challenges.
“The longer sandbags sit and hold back water, the less stable they could become,” Patrick Slattery, a National Weather Service spokesman in Kansas City, said by phone.
At Fargo, the river climbed to 40.63 feet (12.4 meters) at 11:15 a.m. Chicago time, almost 23 feet above the flood point, and eclipsing the previous record of 40.1 feet, set in April 1897, according to the weather service.
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Emerald Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:06am |
re: #3 Shug
I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.
5 tries, I died all 5 times.
Were you trying to land at the Franz Kafka airport?
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:10am |
re: #6 joncelli
How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?
Does the titmouse have breasts?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:22am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:32am |
re: #17 jcm
bad news for those folks...I feel for my northern brothers and sisters up there
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:06am |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:11am |
Was you ever bit by a dead bee?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:17am |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:01am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:09am |
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:25am |
Barack's Bozos on the Bus
and plenty under the Bus
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:37am |
re: #25 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Hey!
What's with trying to deluge us with leveety?
Sorry for raining on your parade! I'll stop being a drip...
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:41am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Common Sense
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:42am |
re: #24 Charles
Was you ever bit by a dead bee?
OMG! Don't need to open the link to know what it is!
(For some reason, I HATED that running gag.)
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joncelli Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:00am |
re: #24 Charles
There's a scene in there where Lauren Bacall gives Bogart this look...she was in love, it was obvious.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:03am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:16am |
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:30am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
An advantageous evolutionary adaption.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:34am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Survival Instinct?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:07am |
re: #30 jcm
Sorry for raining on your parade! I'll stop being a drip...
See what happens when you get a rise out of me?
You'll get sandbagged every time!
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:08am |
Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans
Is this for real?
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:20am |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:21am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Racist.
/moonbat stream media
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NonNativeTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:26am |
re: #24 Charles
Lauren Bacall , nothing sexier . She said something about bees?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:27am |
re: #35 Racer X
I hate stepping on dead bees.
At least you didn't sit on one. That could be a pain in the ass.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:44am |
re: #39 buzzsawmonkey
Barack Obama hates white people!
(Just getting ready for the aftermath.)
they all have guns up there...barbarians
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:41am |
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:47am |
Phil at Bad Astronomy posted an article about creationism and science..
My lawdy..He rips them an ass..
Creationism is bad Religion:
{excerpt}
It’s dead obvious that creationism isn’t science, or even bad science. It’s nonsense. But I’ve long stated it’s also bad religion, because it doesn’t just take faith, it also takes a phenomenal disregard of reality. Moderate Christians should distance themselves from such garbage..
Great Read..
Here is the link:
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:52am |
re: #41 Piglet-U93
Obama gets list of top Muslim AmericansIs this for real?
"It was mostly under the radar," Williams said. "We thought it would put (the president) in a precarious position. We didn't know how closely he wanted to appear to be working with the Muslim American community."
Gee, why do you suppose that is, Mr. Williams?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:54am |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:01am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:25am |
re: #49 Sharmuta
You win. I have a rational fear of bees, wasps, and hornets.
I'm glad you didn't include the Bumble Bee...I like Bumble Bees
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:26am |
re: #46 albusteve
they all have guns up there...barbarians
LOL! Yeah, think I'll grab me a six pack and a lawn chair and wait to see what happens when the administration figures its time to pull a New Orleans style gun grab.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:41am |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:48am |
Speaking of Dead Bees, let's have a moment of silence for Nahoul
/
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Emerald Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:07am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.
//cue in cheap, maniacal laughter soundtrack
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:11am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:14am |
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:14am |
re: #56 albusteve
I'm glad you didn't include the Bumble Bee...I like Bumble Bees
I like Bumble Bee, Bumble Bee Tuna...
/I keep hearing that damn song in my heas
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:18am |
re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Then why do you keep sponging off the prior comments?
he has a dry sense of humor...
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:20am |
re: #47 Iron Fist
It probably wouldn't help, but it would be interesting watching the Donks trying to graft together a 3/5ths majority to pass their pork-laden (insert the next Robert C. Byrd Ku Klux Klan Memorial bicycle path here) deficit budget. Pure comedy gold.
Something has to give, Cousin Fist. I think this is the proposal that could help get the republicans back into the majority in Congress- but they have to do more than a token gesture of passing it. They must keep pushing for it until it passes. State governments have to balance their budgets- why is Congress any different?
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:28am |
re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Then why do you keep sponging off the prior comments?
If you don't like the flow, I'm sorry and will put a plug in it.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:29am |
re: #59 Shug
Speaking of Dead Bees, let's have a moment of silence for Nahoul
/
Half a moment for Eric.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:33am |
re: #55 DaddyG
That's a neat trickle. Don't damn him for it.
Is this is supposed to be a streaming thread, where are all the videos?
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:52am |
I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:34:42am |
re: #70 Iron Fist
But Obama does hate white people. I get the impression he's not too fond of Jews, either.
He hates the successful, the independent, the religious people too.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:09am |
re: #66 jcm
If you don't like the flow, I'm sorry and will put a plug in it.
Naw ... it's my fault ... I'll go over in the corner and mop.
/not a good one, really, but I think it's cute
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:12am |
re: #70 Iron Fist
But Obama does hate white people. I get the impression he's not too fond of Jews, either.
hence his internal rage...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:14am |
re: #71 DaddyG
I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.
We have been all abuzz with bad news lately.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:16am |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:27am |
re: #71 DaddyG
I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.
You need to have a better attitude:
"Nothing is impossible. Some things are just less likely than others." - Jonathan Winters
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:35am |
re: #41 Piglet-U93
Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans
Is this for real?
Notice they don't give us the list.
I wonder how many are co-conspirators, indicted or un-indicted.
I'd like to see where they donated their money to.
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JohnnyReb Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:49am |
re: #65 Sharmuta
Something has to give, Cousin Fist. I think this is the proposal that could help get the republicans back into the majority in Congress- but they have to do more than a token gesture of passing it. They must keep pushing for it until it passes. State governments have to balance their budgets- why is Congress any different?
CT must have missed that part. We are running about 1 billion plus in the red right now. With more to come in the future. All the Dems here can figure out how to fix it is raise taxes and attempt to sell some bonds. Oh and the bonds won't sell, but they haven't figured that out yet. I see a state government shutdown in the very near future for us.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:56am |
re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is this is supposed to be a streaming thread, where are all the videos?
They got left up the creek, along with the paddles...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:22am |
re: #81 LGoPs
They got left up the creek, along with the paddles...
I just can't brook these puns any longer.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:23am |
re: #74 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Naw ... it's my fault ... I'll go over in the corner and mop.
Your the expert*
*ex - a has been, spurt - a drip under pressure...
/ ;-P
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:27am |
Is OR in the room?
I wanna debate the merits of Bacall versus Lima.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:47am |
re: #60 Emerald
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.
//cue in cheap, maniacal laughter soundtrack
Or a Nirvana video:
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:13am |
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:26am |
re: #78 debutaunt
You need to have a better attitude:
"Nothing is impossible. Some things are just less likely than others." - Jonathan Winters
Everything in life is 50/50. Either it will happen or it wont.
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:37am |
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:50am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:52am |
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:10am |
The Zionist Mall presents, the coolest Passover toy ever!
Plush Plagues Bag
Includes all 10 plagues!
Ages 3 & up Keeps the kids entertained during Passover. This plush yellow plagues bag contains representations for all of the plagues:
* A spooky eyed drop of blood
* A Frog for frogs—of course
* A Giant Lice for lice.
* Cow for cattle disease
* Black Locust for locusts
* A white satin lump of hail
* A black cube of darkness
* An icky boil on a piece of flesh!
* A snarling lion's head for wild beasts
* and last of all a very sad head - for death of the first born.
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nonic Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:20am |
re: #41 Piglet-U93
Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans
Is this for real?
So we now have specifically muslim affirmative action. What could be wrong with that? /
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Racer X Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:27am |
re: #90 ladycatnip
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
Doesn't that contradict the term "volunteer"?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:01am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:21am |
re: #90 ladycatnip
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
Steam is now coming out of my ears. And I am not making a pun!
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Buck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:33am |
re: #3 Shug
I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.
5 tries, I died all 5 times.
You need to have a better altitude.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:45am |
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NonNativeTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:45am |
paranoid?
Don't tell me worry doesn't do any good, all the stuff I
worry about never happens...
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:57am |
re: #90 ladycatnip
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
My kids aren't doing that crap, I dont care what it takes.
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:17am |
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:23am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:32am |
re: #98 Ford_Prefect
Steam is now coming out of my ears. And I am not making a pun!
who will be the first to step up and simply say...go fuck off
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:50am |
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:53am |
#95 Racer X
Doesn't that contradict the term "volunteer"?
Sure does.
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JohnnyReb Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:54am |
re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My kids aren't doing that crap, I dont care what it takes.
I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.
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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:58am |
re: #103 Leonidas Hoplite
Nevermind. I'll go sit in a corner for this one.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:00am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:02am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:24am |
re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Now there'll be a raft of 'em!
I think we have capsized this thread.
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:43am |
After reading The Guardian, Palestinians dumped a bunch of garbage in their house and told AP the Zionists did it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:50am |
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aggieann Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:53am |
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:06am |
Sometimes things get trippy in the open thread..
Don't Pass Away
First from lightening, thunder quill, enlightening,
The stone right laws by ten dimensions laid.
True commandments and declared freedoms,
The blood warriors' gifts, a high price paid.
Don't watch your Founders' nation pass away.
We the people, living, moving,
Melding in chromatic orb to one,
Assured the hate wright, right hate fail well
Under goddess Liberty's watchful Sun.
Don't watch your Forefathers' nation pass away.
Elephants with donkeys gorging,
Wallowing in the selfsame treasure trough.
Their main course, their masters' wages,
Prime flesh cut from naive sloths.
Don't watch your Father's nation pass away.
By millions, billions, advancing trillions
Grow the vulgar links of debtor chain.
Lost in paper, dog-eared, mark-eared,
Drunk policy swine, deaf they remain.
Don't watch your Mother's nation pass away.
Moneymongers feeding, knowing
Power drives each hundredth's porkish whims.
Called in, snowed in, most agreed on
The specter of their gluttish sins.
Don't watch your Own nation pass away.
The leading Zero led by a queen
None see beyond sore, rose eyes.
From reigning temples they subdue us,
Decreeing changeless, hopeless tyrannies.
Don't watch your Chidren's nation pass away.
The lunar percent, greater, lesser, missionary,
Lost in lies and things mundane.
Smoke grassfire, communistic, nurtures
The red candy cancer bureaucracy.
Don't watch your Grandchildren's nation pass away.
Pistacia vera dehiscence mirroring
Knowledge spread by tiny, green gamelike spheres.
The thoughtful sequence, buzz of letters spearing,
Charted electric by a most wise lizard One.
Don't watch your Army's nation pass away.
It's your home, your freedom station,
A divine gift of Providence.
Those oath defacing deserve replacing.
Nothing here is happenstance.
Don't watch your Own nation pass away.
Don't let your Own nation pass away.
-Kreuzueber Halbmond, with dimensional inspiration from a Three-eyed Man of yore.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:16am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:19am |
re: #106 Sharmuta
It ain't volunteerism if it's mandatory.
There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
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Racer X Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:36am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:38am |
re: #113 Ford_Prefect
I think we have capsized this thread.
Could I broach the idea of a temporary truce?
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nonic Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:51am |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Reminds me of some wisdom forwarded to me recently...
In life, you have two choices. Either you can stay single and be miserable. Or you can get married and wish you were dead.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:02am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:32am |
re: #119 Honorary Yooper
There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
There's obviously enough opposition to this, that I suspect it will be legally challenged if it make it to law.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:38am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:42am |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:42am |
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:44am |
re: #109 JohnnyReb
I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.
My concern is that they'll make some sort of involuntary servitude volunteer work mandatory for receiving student loans. I will live in a cardboard box and work 3 jobs to put my kid through school before I'll subject her to that.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:47am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:50am |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:01am |
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:12am |
re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Could I broach the idea of a temporary truce?
Oar a permanent truce?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:24am |
re: #109 JohnnyReb
I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.
Wrong. They'll make involvement "highly recomended" and tie participation into school district's federal grants. Want to go to a good school and get college assistance? Then "volunteer" right here.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:38am |
re: #106 Sharmuta
It ain't volunteerism if it's mandatory.
It is every bit as voluntary as paying taxes.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:39am |
re: #119 Honorary Yooper
There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
exactly...this whole thing will fold...the compulsory aspect that is
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:49am |
#124 badger1970
It's like mandatory "fun day".
"fun indoctrination and re-education day".
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Gus Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:51am |
Obama Regime Spkoescomrade Conducting Breifing from Obamagrad
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mikalm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:52am |
Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:53am |
re: #118 LGoPs
Or until you pay me a transom...
You should've saved that until we'd used mast of the others.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:56am |
re: #126 HoosierHoops
That's on the way to Troy Mich. I took a picture of it myself
Yep, 16 Mile Road, also known as Metropolitian Parkway.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:18am |
re: #130 Unakite
Hymenoptophobia.
But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:41am |
re: #125 Sharmuta
There's obviously enough opposition to this, that I suspect it will be legally challenged if it make it to law.
I would not even bother to hire a lawyer...it's a slam dunk
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:48am |
re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat
You should've saved that until we'd used mast of the others.
I'd rudder not...
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:53am |
re: #139 mikalm
Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon
I wonder if anyone is embarrased by it.
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jamgarr Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:01am |
re: #7 subsailor68
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Shakespeare for enlightening me as to how I need to view the Obama administration and its budget, social program proposals, and stimulus crap:
Now is the center of our discontent,
Made more laborious by this son of Pork.
Written, of course, in Idiotic Pentameter
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:07am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:29am |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:37am |
re: #142 Sharmuta
But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.
that is a justified fear...they can kill you
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NonNativeTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:40am |
re: #142 Sharmuta
But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.
Hey, what do you have against white, Anglo-Saxons, ,,,
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:58am |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:00am |
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:07am |
re: #139 mikalm
Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon
"OPD you can't hide - we charge you with genocide,"
Mixon killed 4 police officers, whereas OPD killed only one Mixon, therefore isn't Mixon more guilty of "genocide" than the OPD?
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Opinionated Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:18am |
The New York Times [more precisely the Liberal assholes who write editorials stating their Liberal views] has advice for Netanyahu.
Being a Partner for Peace
Israel’s next prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, will have to overcome his hawkish reputation and take the right steps toward seeking peace with the Palestinians.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Fair is fair so I have advice for the "Palestinians".
You will have to overcome being barbaric savages.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:32am |
re: #148 Ford_Prefect
It is amazing the topics these puns encompass.
...as we navigate down the thread
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:34am |
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jamgarr Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:40am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Fairbia?
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:20am |
re: #154 Alouette
"OPD you can't hide - we charge you with genocide,"
Mixon killed 4 police officers, whereas OPD killed only one Mixon, therefore isn't Mixon more guilty of "genocide" than the OPD?
That's racist math!
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:22am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Islamophobia
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JohnnyReb Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:27am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:29am |
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:42am |
re: #150 NonNativeTexan
Hey, what do you have against white, Anglo-Saxons, ,,,
It's not them. It's their Jutes that scare me...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:44am |
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:25am |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
A -rationa.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:27am |
re: #139 mikalm
Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon
If I said what I really think about that rally I'd lose my account here.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:35am |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:07am |
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:21am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:31am |
re: #166 Iron Fist
They won't pass balanced budgets unless we make them. That's why a Constitutional amendment forcing their hand is needed. I do not favor amendments for social issues, but this is a government issue, and I therefore feel it's justified.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:55am |
re: #166 Iron Fist
there is a rising tide...give it some time, word has to get out by mouth these days...I hate the MSM with a passion
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:25am |
re: #90 ladycatnip
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:34am |
Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?
Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.
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mikalm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:36am |
re: #145 debutaunt
I wonder if anyone is embarrased by it.
Check the comments on the article -- there's unanimous loathing for these creeps. The Uhuru Movement, who organized this disgrace, are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Bay Area's moonbat Left.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:42am |
re: #142 Sharmuta
But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.
Okinawa, platoon of Marines on a jungle patrol, full noise discipline, moving slow. We hear a crack behind us and the Platoon Sgt screams "HORNETS! RUN!" 30+ marines hauling ass, swatting at hornets thru the jungle, cursing all the while.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:48am |
re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Either that or we raise the scull and crossbones
All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:27am |
re: #174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
And it was picked up by Laura Ingraham on the O'Reilly factor last night. Very deceiving.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:41am |
re: #129 doppelganglander
My concern is that they'll make some sort of
involuntary servitudevolunteer work mandatory for receiving student loans. I will live in a cardboard box and work 3 jobs to put my kid through school before I'll subject her to that.
They may make it mandatory to graduate.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:51am |
re: #178 LGoPs
All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...
Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:03am |
re: #172 Sharmuta
They won't pass balanced budgets unless we make them. That's why a Constitutional amendment forcing their hand is needed. I do not favor amendments for social issues, but this is a government issue, and I therefore feel it's justified.
I tend to agree altho a certain small % of debt may be justifiable...it would be cool to see an instant and continuing downsizing of govt...my dream come true
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:04am |
re: #175 Lee Coller
Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?
Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.
Might as well hang the Christmas lights as well, for the complete effect. ;-)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:10am |
re: #178 LGoPs
All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...
Did y' really HAVE t' plank that one down?!
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:27am |
re: #174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
That is both a relief and an irritant. A relief for obvious reasons, and an irritant because a study means more of our money being wasted on a stupid idea that is designed to take more of our freedoms from us. There should be no debate necessary to decide that this shouldn't happen.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:32am |
re: #179 Lee Coller
And it was picked up by Laura Ingraham on the O'Reilly factor last night. Very deceiving.
Reality is tough enough without these fools distorting it.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:44am |
re: #175 Lee Coller
Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?
Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.
Thanks for reminding me. I'll have on the lights, TVs and radios. Thinking I should string up some Christmas lights too.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:45am |
re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P
LOL...that was pretty good.
:)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:52am |
re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P
Just tell him to Lafitte off.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:58am |
re: #182 albusteve
I tend to agree altho a certain small % of debt may be justifiable...it would be cool to see an instant and continuing downsizing of govt...my dream come true
It won't happen unless we make them.
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rawmuse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:00am |
I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:04am |
re: #90 ladycatnip
Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.
It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.
"Resistance to
expandedmandated public service programs can be expected from theideologically scleroticpatriotic, those who occupy thenegativemoral ground between government asthe problemprotector of life liberty and the persuit of happiness and government asour enemyconstitutionally by the people and for the people," former Democratic Colorado Sen. Gary Hart wrote in a recent op-ed on the Huffington Post Web site.
FIFY F'er
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Rancher Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:09am |
Contingency!, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
Contingency!, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:17am |
re: #142 Sharmuta
But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.
I know, but I just thought up the word (I think), and I liked it. :)
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:19am |
re: #174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:12am |
re: #175 Lee Coller
Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?
Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.
Well, I don't have any spots or stuff, but I plan to put my speakers on the front porch and play Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" over and over again at full blast.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:17am |
re: #191 rawmuse
I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.
The sky can't get any bluer.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:35am |
re: #187 Pvt Bin Jammin
Thanks for reminding me. I'll have on the lights, TVs and radios. Thinking I should string up some Christmas lights too.
Light some candles, too? Leave open your fridge and freezer? Turn on your night-lights?
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:38am |
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Zimriel Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:54am |
re: #174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:56:18am |
re: #190 Sharmuta
It won't happen unless we make them.
why is it that the GOP does not stick with this novel idea?...because they want to spend as well...it could be a rally point for a third party to pressure the other two
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:02am |
re: #171 LGoPs
I like the cut of your jib...
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:22am |
re: #200 Zimriel
Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?
donks for you...it's what they do
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:29am |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
as long as you stay on tack
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brookly red Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:46am |
re: #196 subsailor68
Well, I don't have any spots or stuff, but I plan to put my speakers on the front porch and play Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" over and over again at full blast.
I think the term "depraved indifference" applies :)
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:47am |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
These puns are getting Corsair.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:49am |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:01am |
re: #192 DaddyG
FIFY F'er
The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act -- sponsored by Reps. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y, and George Miller, D-Calif. -- was approved by a 321-105 vote and now goes to the Senate.
A 321-105 vote tells me that a lot of Republicans voted for it. Are they just brain-dead, or what?
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:02am |
re: #201 albusteve
why is it that the GOP does not stick with this novel idea?...because they want to spend as well...it could be a rally point for a third party to pressure the other two
It's part of why I'm suggesting this. Separate the wheat from the chaff as far as fiscal conservatism goes. Why they dropped this is anyone's guess- because socialist republicans don't care, I suppose. But if we want fiscal conservatism to make a comeback, this is the vehicle I propose.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:08am |
Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:17am |
re: #195 MandyManners
I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?
Will the panel/commission meet in public? Will the minutes be on record? Will the findings be published?
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:18am |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
I just can't believe nobody's said poop yet.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:31am |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
courses?...well of coarse!
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:32am |
re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Uh oh. That was Morgan I bargained for!
I thought I could rum you off...
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:37am |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
You'll be a hundredaire!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:52am |
re: #202 buzzsawmonkey
Rent an arc-light and cast the Moon-Bat Signal into the sky...
You think BIG.
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:58am |
re: #195 MandyManners
I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?
From the bill:
SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.
(a) Number and Appointment-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:
(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.
(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:03am |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:11am |
Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:15am |
I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:31am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:41am |
re: #222 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Yes. It's leest I could do.
I think we should Barbary from the White House in 2012.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:53am |
re: #212 Sharmuta
It's part of why I'm suggesting this. Separate the wheat from the chaff as far as fiscal conservatism goes. Why they dropped this is anyone's guess- because socialist republicans don't care, I suppose. But if we want fiscal conservatism to make a comeback, this is the vehicle I propose.
agreed all the way...simple and honest and something everyone can get with
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:05pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
Light some candles, too? Leave open your fridge and freezer? Turn on your night-lights?
Kinda scared to leave the fridge and freezer open but maybe I'll turn on the AC instead. Could leave some right wing radio show on loudly. LOL
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:15pm |
re: #221 Lee Coller
From the bill:
SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.
(a) Number and Appointment-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:
(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.
(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.
Wow! This fits right in with the pun thread:
Ship of Fools.
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:16pm |
re: #224 Sharmuta
I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.
balance the budget.
Send the Bill to Soros
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:32pm |
re: #191 rawmuse
I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.
Heard that, high today is going to be 76. It's beautiful outside, can't wait to get home and walk the lab along the American.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:36pm |
re: #223 Shug
write them down as he learns them, and date them... then read them back and tell him his age etc. etc. when he is much older. He will get a kick out of it!
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:39pm |
re: #223 Shug
I once hear a two year old say, "Puck you!" It was hard not to laugh.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:44pm |
re: #213 Fenway_Nation
Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?
Respirated.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:00pm |
re: #174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.
This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
Yes, it is just commissioning a study on mandatory service, but why does the term mandatory have to be in the bill? Between this and the proposal to reduce the charitable deduction for people above a certain level of income it seems to me that the Dems and the current President are aiming directly at the biggest threat to their utopian plans - voluntary giving. Thus leaving us with big brother government as the only option to neglecting the poor and needy.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:04pm |
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:07pm |
re: #213 Fenway_Nation
Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?
He spoke.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:12pm |
re: #175 Lee Coller
Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?
Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.
I've set a reminder on my cell phone, and I'm going to turn on every damn light and electrical device in my house, just to piss off Al Gore.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:22pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:27pm |
re: #202 buzzsawmonkey
Rent an arc-light and cast the Moon-Bat Signal into the sky...
W00T, love it!
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:29pm |
re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P
Q: Where are your bucaneers?
A: Under me bucanhat!
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:38pm |
re: #224 Sharmuta
I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.
start right here with the blogs...can't miss
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm |
re: #223 Shug
Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.
I had two early talkers and the inflection they get on curse words is a wonder to behold.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm |
re: #229 subsailor68
Wow! This fits right in with the pun thread:
Ship of Fools.
And a Car of Idiots.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm |
re: #221 Lee Coller
From the bill:
SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.
(a) Number and Appointment-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:
(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.
(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.
THANKS! I had a link in MyFavs but it got shunted off somewhere.
Eight folks, eh?
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:57pm |
re: #180 Unakite
They may make it mandatory to graduate.
She's only got one more year of high school, so she'd probably escape. But it's not just about my kid, of course. As Charles points out, it's hardly a done deal. I just want to make sure it doesn't happen.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:57pm |
re: #215 subsailor68
I just can't believe nobody's said poop yet.
GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:59pm |
re: #200 Zimriel
Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?
My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.
Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:02:41pm |
re: #228 Pvt Bin Jammin
Kinda scared to leave the fridge and freezer open but maybe I'll turn on the AC instead. Could leave some right wing radio show on loudly. LOL
Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #236 DaddyG
Yes, it is just commissioning a study on mandatory service, but why does the term mandatory have to be in the bill? Between this and the proposal to reduce the charitable deduction for people above a certain level of income it seems to me that the Dems and the current President are aiming directly at the biggest threat to their utopian plans - voluntary giving. Thus leaving us with big brother government as the only option to neglecting the poor and needy.
As I've mentioned before, I deliver Meals on Wheels. And I don't care what this administration or Congress pull, you can bet your ass I'll still be delivering, and I don't need any help from them!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:09pm |
re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat
GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop
That's a shitty comment.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:12pm |
re: #221 Lee Coller
Oh that's going to really get something done!
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:12pm |
re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat
GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop
Boy, this head-ed in the wrong direction.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:15pm |
re: #226 Ford_Prefect
I think we should Barbary from the White House in 2012.
You were just coasting on that one.
/not ... :D ... *rimshot*
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:44pm |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:49pm |
I would welcome mandatory service just to hear all the kids of moonbats complain about having to do real work.
Make it like the Swiss or Israeli army
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:01pm |
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Killer Tomato Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:01pm |
Can you imagine what it would be like if we had a real press instead of a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party?
Just look at what's been discussed here in the last 10 minutes. And the majority of America hasn't a clue.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:24pm |
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:35pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.
I think I will run the washer, dryer and dishwasher. Maybe turn on the AC, and pop a DVD into the console.
Make sure all 4 computers in the house are up and running.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:40pm |
re: #261 Killer Tomato
I think you'd better luff that one alone!
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:51pm |
re: #261 Killer Tomato
Can you imagine what it would be like if we had a real press instead of a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party?
Just look at what's been discussed here in the last 10 minutes. And the majority of America hasn't a clue.
and it has the government it deserves
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:54pm |
This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:54pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
your anchor is showing...
;)
Actually the proper insult is that your fenders are showing.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:57pm |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:01pm |
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:14pm |
re: #223 Shug
Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.
My oldest was the friendliest thing when she was that age. My husband was serving in the Navy overseas, so even though we lived off base, we did all our shopping and had many friends on base. It was so common for us to run into friends, she assumed I knew everyone and she should, too. She just waved and smiled at everyone like she was on a parade float.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:17pm |
re: #223 Shug
I'd be bragging too. Ha! He's going to be a yacker.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:18pm |
re: #259 Shug
I would welcome mandatory service just to hear all the kids of moonbats complain about having to do real work.
Make it like the Swiss or Israeli army
And torment all those DI's? Cruel. Just plain cruel.
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Killer Tomato Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:40pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.
Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:46pm |
re: #250 Charles
My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.
Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.
Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:10pm |
re: #264 Alouette
I think I will run the washer, dryer and dishwasher. Maybe turn on the AC, and pop a DVD into the console.
Make sure all 4 computers in the house are up and running.
The Kid'll be back so he'll have his laptop going as well as his television.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:11pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:30pm |
re: #275 Ward Cleaver
Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.
If Congress had to balance the budget, there might not be money for such a study.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:33pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:51pm |
re: #176 mikalm
Check the comments on the article -- there's unanimous loathing for these creeps. The Uhuru Movement, who organized this disgrace, are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Bay Area's moonbat Left.
Uhuru? I can't believe she'd turn her back on Starfleet and Captain Kirk like that.
She must be the one from the mirror universe.
/Do I NEED to?
And yes, I know Uhuru is Swahili for freedom
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:53pm |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:07pm |
I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )
I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:12pm |
Friday Morning Open? It's 3:07 pm here.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:15pm |
here is something on the 1997 Bill...H.R. 898
[Link: www.house.gov...]
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:31pm |
re: #282 Ford_Prefect
What are we going to do aft-er this is done?
That's a good question, furl sure.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:56pm |
re: #283 Shug
I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )
I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border
They already do that. It's called Spring Break.
;-)
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:12pm |
re: #253 subsailor68
As I've mentioned before, I deliver Meals on Wheels. And I don't care what this administration or Congress pull, you can bet your ass I'll still be delivering, and I don't need any help from them!
True dat. Americans are not going to stop charitable giving and on the local level service will always happen. I just wonder if this commission will consider the service hours of the Boy Scouts, or Bhuddist Monks or Alpha Phi Omega as valid as the government mandated programs they dream up?
Where the tax changes will likely hurt the most is large donors and foundations built by wealthy patrons. In the end that would be more of a threat to free speech and the arts than it would faith based organizations.
I can't see how government involvement will make volunteerism easier in any case.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:15pm |
re: #283 Shug
I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )
I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border
That's dangerous stuff for untrained teenagers. I think community service is a great idea, but not if it's mandatory. Unless you got a DUI or something.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:16pm |
re: #267 Charles
... (other than LGF) ...
Which is precisely why I'm here, as a Lizard, sir.
No flattery intended, but I respect your integrity first and your content second.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:34pm |
re: #274 Killer Tomato
Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!
I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:38pm |
re: #282 Ford_Prefect
I'm not sure I'll be a-wake then...
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:43pm |
re: #248 doppelganglander
She's only got one more year of high school, so she'd probably escape. But it's not just about my kid, of course. As Charles points out, it's hardly a done deal. I just want to make sure it doesn't happen.
My oldest is 11, so he'll be starting high school around the middle of CBBHO's first term. I know it's not a done deal, but the concern is real.
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tfc3rid Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:46pm |
re: #250 Charles
My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.
Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.
Correct... Mandatory service is not in the bill... The fear is that while in negotiation between House and Senate bills, it might be reinserted...
But as of now, there is NO mandatory service in this bill... The additional increase in government in the bill is an issue.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:54pm |
re: #275 Ward Cleaver
Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:56pm |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:57pm |
re: #290 doppelganglander
That's dangerous stuff for untrained teenagers. I think community service is a great idea, but not if it's mandatory. Unless you got a DUI or something.
18 year olds are shipped off to Iraq every day.
18 year olds defeated the Nazis and Japanese
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:09:08pm |
re: #279 Sharmuta
If Congress had to balance the budget, there might not be money for such a study.
start writing!...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:09:24pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:04pm |
re: #267 Charles
This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.
Fair enough. I'm probably getting borderline paranoid but this administration (including the last two years of congress) hasn't made too many moves to encourage confidence in them.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:13pm |
re: #283 Shug
I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )
I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border
The 13th Amendment.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:22pm |
re: #298 Shug
18 year olds are shipped off to Iraq every day.
18 year olds defeated the Nazis and Japanese
Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:27pm |
re: #291 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Which is precisely why I'm here, as a Lizard, sir.
No flattery intended, but I respect your integrity first and your content second.
Reality always wins out here.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:27pm |
re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat
GANGWAY! poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop
poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck
FIFY.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:35pm |
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Killer Tomato Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:45pm |
re: #292 MandyManners
I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.
Brilliant!
I'm going to dust off the blender and give it a workout.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:47pm |
re: #299 albusteve
I had this epiphany last night, and I'm not dropping it. If the GOP doesn't want to return to Balanced Budget Amendment, I will know they are truly lost.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:03pm |
re: #300 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We'll be having a wake.
if it's an Irish Wake maybe they'll serve Port?
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jamgarr Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:42pm |
re: #292 MandyManners
I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.
There'll be a tornado on the second floor!
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:56pm |
re: #267 Charles
This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.
Excellent point. That's why, when there's a bill being discussed here, I always try to find the original bill, the memo, any any related information on the state website (and posting them to let people make up their own mind what is really going on).
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:59pm |
re: #307 Killer Tomato
Brilliant!
I'm going to dust off the blender and give it a workout.
Food processor. Waffle maker. Mixer. Juicer.
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:14pm |
re: #303 doppelganglander
Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.
I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:15pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:17pm |
There's a commission to study whether or not we should have mandatory volunteerism. (Next up: Dry water and cold heat.)
Here's what I would like the final report to say. Draw your own inferences as to how we could get here.
"This commission received an unprecedented amount of public correspondence about this matter. Overwhelming, the public is against this matter, so we urge that the idea be dropped. Furthermore, we are mystified as to the large number of citizens who promised to "chomp their lizard jaws down on our gamey troll buttocks." We recommend another study to determine what this means."
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:18pm |
re: #311 taxfreekiller
Would you support the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:32pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:47pm |
re: #283 Shug
Firefighter training takes several months.
If they do start making service mandatory, they better let any student who joins a volunteer fire departmnet have just being a member count. There were plenty of students at my firehouse when I was a volunteer EMT.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:52pm |
re: #304 debutaunt
Reality always wins out here.
And there was too @^#%@$#*&!@# much un-reality on the web for me to like it much (except for Best of the Web and Jewish World Review) ... until I discovered LGF.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:11pm |
re: #313 lawhawk
I just gave you your 20,000th karmic point!
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:28pm |
re: #316 Ford_Prefect
I think I should prow-ly stop now...
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:32pm |
re: #308 Sharmuta
I had this epiphany last night, and I'm not dropping it. If the GOP doesn't want to return to Balanced Budget Amendment, I will know they are truly lost.
I'm trying to envision what a Petition might sound like...a couple of short paragraphs?...fluff annoys me...would it be the language of the amendment it'self? or nearly so?...I would hit the bricks to help with this one
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:44pm |
re: #305 Unakite
poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck
FIFY.
We're a damn sight more that three sheets to the wind!
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:11pm |
Even if you peel back the hysteria it is abundantly clear that some of our most powerful government officials are undertaking a study on "how to make people do the right thing."
Why can't we be trusted to "do the right thing" without bribes or coersion?
Let me organize my own community thank you very much!
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Killer Tomato Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:26pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
Food processor. Waffle maker. Mixer. Juicer.
Curling iron, blow dryer, circular saw...
watch me trip every circuit in the house - lol.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:42pm |
re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee
Firefighter training takes several months.
If they do start making service mandatory, they better let any student who joins a volunteer fire departmnet have just being a member count. There were plenty of students at my firehouse when I was a volunteer EMT.
W00t. I can pass for 18.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:46pm |
re: #321 pre-Boomer Marine brat
And there was too @^#%@$#*&!@# much un-reality on the web for me to like it much (except for Best of the Web and Jewish World Review) ... until I discovered LGF.
LGF had me at comedy and reality cinched it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:48pm |
re: #306 Ford_Prefect
I just want to know what is on the dock-et.
Then pier over there, on the left.
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FreakyBoy Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:48pm |
Charles:
Considering the quality of our current political leadership, I think this exchange between Peorgie and Mudhead sums it up:
Peorgie Tirebiter: But Mudhead, we're the leaders of tomorrow...
Mudhead: Yeah, but it's today.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:57pm |
re: #316 Ford_Prefect
Buoy, these are getting thin.
I give up. I harbor no ill will if the rest of you go on...
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:00pm |
re: #315 Shug
I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work
Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:06pm |
re: #250 Charles
There is a bit of hyperventilating going on, I'll give you that. I've seen quite a few posts on blogs about the supposed restrictions on using the "service workers" for political or religious work, and these bloggers, who don't seem to excel at reading comprehension, invariably are headlining "They want to take away your 1st Amendment rights!" and "They want to make it so you can't go to church!", when this language was probably inserted by a CONSERVATIVE, who wanted to prevent these Corps from becoming the much-feared Democrat Brownshirts, working for Dem political causes with ACORN and a thousand other PACs and Soros shops. Some people do see what they want in a conspiracy.
I do think this is quite alarming, though, but you knew that. You seem to be saying there's nothing to worry about regarding slavery (or any other euphamism for it) "in the bill" while acknowledging that there is language which purports to set up a commission to study the feasability and planning for exactly that, "in the bill". I think the latter is terrifying, if the former is.
Imagine if the House and Senate passes a bill with language purporting to set up a Commission to study the feasability and planning for a National Intelligent Design Department and compulsory ID lessons in K-12 public education. What would you say to me if I said "There is no language in the bill setting up an Intelligent Design Department, so there is nothing to worry about and this is being blown out of proportion." I wonder what your response to me would be.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:09pm |
re: #324 albusteve
The wording for the actual amendment itself already exists.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:30pm |
re: #332 LGoPs
I give up. I harbor no ill will if the rest of you go on...
I may try to fjord on for a while.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:40pm |
re: #309 LGoPs
if it's an Irish Wake maybe they'll serve Port?
Port wine?!
At an IRISH wake?!?!
*GASP*
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:16:00pm |
re: #327 Killer Tomato
Curling iron, blow dryer, circular saw...
watch me trip every circuit in the house - lol.
Hot rollers. Straightening iron. Clothing iron.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:16:09pm |
re: #333 doppelganglander
Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.
my kids both liked hard work and still do...no shit...there is a God
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Fat Jolly Penguin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:00pm |
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:08pm |
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:21pm |
re: #333 doppelganglander
Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.
I had to work when I was a kid. Some pretty hard shitty jobs, and I'm grateful for it. taught me to respect the value of a dollar, and to respect people who do hard labor.
I can't understand rich folks who have soft children who don't appreciate what they have
what's the old saying : From Sandles to sandles in 3 generations
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:29pm |
re: #336 taxfreekiller
No- the current Congress isn't going to propose this amendment to the Constitution. I think if the GOP went back and campaigned on this, we could get Congress back.
Also- the President doesn't sign amendment proposals into law. Congress would have to pass it, then the states would ratify it.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:29pm |
re: #341 albusteve
my kids both liked hard work and still do...no shit...there is a God
It's a sweet feeling when you know that your kids value the work ethic.
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:40pm |
re: #331 FreakyBoy
Charles:
Considering the quality of our current political leadership, I think this exchange between Peorgie and Mudhead sums it up:
Peorgie Tirebiter: But Mudhead, we're the leaders of tomorrow...
Mudhead: Yeah, but it's today.
Shoes for Industry!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:49pm |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:03pm |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:10pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:20pm |
re: #315 Shug
I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work
I suspect one of the motivating forces behind "mandatory service" is the knowledge that many of today's youth are just too comfortable to be inspired to live in work camps and build national parks and such.
Now what political ideology has taken away much of the call for personal responsibility again? Someone remind me.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:23pm |
re: #343 doppelganglander
Back to that, are we? I can't pass for 18, but I do have that mature, knowledgeable thing working for me. Let's volunteer!
I'll stop just short of asking if I can hold his axe.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:53pm |
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Lincolntf Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:25pm |
I got sidetracked for a couple hours, (reading the parts of the Sci Am issues that I'd previously skimmed over), is anyone still talking about the IQ/Genetics connection?
Anyway, one point that was made that struck me as particularly salient is the "birth canal gene" portion of the article that I previously pointed out.
The reasoning behind it is that since (to the satisfaction of the researchers) women with a genetic predisposition to narrow birth canals often deliver babies that suffer some small (1% was the figure used) decrease in "intelligence" and development because of the brain trauma (again, we're talking about tiny degrees here) experienced during birth will necessarily reflect a 1% decrease in IQ as they age. Thus, the "intelligence" gene is actually a "birth canal gene" and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual genes that may (or may not) contribute to intelligence.
Naturally this extends to the whole "are we getting dumber?" debate in that the researchers would have to determine if the offspring of the "narrow birth canal" women would produce "narrow birth canal" offspring, thus cascading into a -1% genetic effect that would extend into infinity.
The biggest problem in this kind of research is that humans aren't fruit flies. We can't just run a couple of hundred generations through the lab and then report on the results. In fact, we have no way of knowing the quantifiable "intelligence" of pretty much anyone who isn't still alive.
All very fascinating.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:25pm |
re: #350 buzzsawmonkey
Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.
There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.
The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.
Sounds like potty-training.
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jamgarr Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:33pm |
Maybe I'll fire up the kiln. Nothing like 2000 degrees of good ol' 220 to save the planet!
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:38pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:44pm |
re: #329 debutaunt
LGF had me at comedy and reality cinched it.
Heh (seriously) ... I decided to register because there were things which I wanted to say here, particularly about Islamism. Turns out, I've learned a helluva lot more than those comments which I first had in mind.
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:47pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:08pm |
re: #356 MandyManners
I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:20pm |
re: #346 debutaunt
It's a sweet feeling when you know that your kids value the work ethic.
my boy is almost maso about it...athletics too and his older sister does NOT take no shit from him so she tries to keep up...they don't care about sweat and dirt
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:23pm |
re: #303 doppelganglander
Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.
Some would enjoy it immensely, in this day, and in the Statist career world, you know, like the UN, for example. The sexual scandals there are unending. Imagine your kids at camps with UN workers in charge.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:25pm |
re: #350 buzzsawmonkey
Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.
There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.
The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.
Then we're fucked because the People don't care.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:31pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:46pm |
re: #359 MandyManners
Sounds like potty-training.
Yeah, potty training ...a herd of elephants and donkeys.
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:21:11pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
Then we're fucked because the People don't care.
thye would balance the budget by taking everything off the budget.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:01pm |
re: #353 Ford_Prefect
I think you are all barque-ing mad.
Good one!
You have now graduated to the ranks of our core vets.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:07pm |
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:33pm |
re: #267 Charles
This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.
If WND said the sky was blue, I'd go outside to verify it. That being said, it's difficult to do this for some of the crap coming out of congress. 1000-page convoluted lawyer-speak bills are legion.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:38pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
Then we're fucked because the People don't care.
I think you're right. Given what we've seen with toxic mortgages, credit card debt, and a lack of savings - seems to me a good number of the People don't even know what the word "budget" means, much less "balanced budget".
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:48pm |
re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.
Now, hold on there.
[Link: www.firezonestore.org...]
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:51pm |
re: #344 Shug
I had to work when I was a kid. Some pretty hard shitty jobs, and I'm grateful for it. taught me to respect the value of a dollar, and to respect people who do hard labor.
I can't understand rich folks who have soft children who don't appreciate what they havewhat's the old saying : From Sandles to sandles in 3 generations
I had chores from the time I could see over the kitchen sink, and a job when I was 15. Everyone had chores when I was a kid, but my kids were among the few who did in their circle. They all had jobs between 15-17 too. You are so right about respecting labor. I tell my kids that all work has value, no matter how dirty or unskilled, and you should respect anyone that works for a living.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:58pm |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:02pm |
re: #274 Killer Tomato
Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!
Cage match!
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:02pm |
sometimes the effort is equally as important as the results...times change, nothing ventured nothing gained
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:10pm |
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tfc3rid Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:24pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
Then we're fucked because the People don't care.
and the people don't care enough to care... It seems like a lot of people I know just would rather leave things to the government that be responsible for it themselves and that is sad...
Truth is, folks today are being trained for it... They expect it...
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:24pm |
re: #372 DaddyG
Yeah, potty training ...a herd of elephants and donkeys.
Pull-ups in those sizes are bankrupting us!
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:13pm |
re: #379 MandyManners
You know, a man who was jealous would say all those men were gay.
All those men were gay.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:25pm |
re: #358 Lincolntf
Interesting, but the prevalence of Cesarean births probably makes it moot. Maybe you could compare outcomes of Cesarean births vs. births in a country where they are less available.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:36pm |
re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.
At a fire, they're more likely to die from a heart attack than from being trapped in the fire.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:36pm |
Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.
So there.
;-)
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:45pm |
re: #376 LGoPs
Doing a naughty-cul pun thread...
We're diving deep into it. We've already covered boobs, bees, european tribes and nautical terms.
EU might say were up to our treasure chests buzzing about puns.
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jamgarr Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:15pm |
re: #391 subsailor68
Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.
So there.
;-)
Chuck, is that you?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:20pm |
re: #387 taxfreekiller
Didn't Fonda repent when she converted to Christianity?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:23pm |
re: #254 Honorary Yooper
That's a shitty comment.
You think thats bad?
It's Capt Brownbeard of the Good Ship Jolly Rogering, coming 'round to swab your poopdeck.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:25pm |
re: #392 DaddyG
We're diving deep into it. We've already covered boobs, bees, european tribes and nautical terms.
EU might say were up to our treasure chests buzzing about puns.
Schooner or later it will have to stop.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:35pm |
re: #388 fat bastard vegetarian
You know, a man who was jealous would say all those men were gay.
All those men were gay.
LOL!
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:42pm |
re: #358 Lincolntf
I've heard there's a similar corollary with Caesarian births.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:00pm |
Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27
[Link: www.chron.com...]
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:05pm |
re: #391 subsailor68
Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.
So there.
;-)
I had to beat a whole pack of swimmers to fertilize the egg. So there!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:23pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:25pm |
re: #399 Salamantis
Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27
[Link: www.chron.com...]
How's it going?
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:38pm |
re: #389 doppelganglander
Interesting, but the prevalence of Cesarean births probably makes it moot. Maybe you could compare outcomes of Cesarean births vs. births in a country where they are less available.
re: #358 Lincolntf
Yes. Conversely, shouldn't there have be a modest increase in intelligence since the advent of the c-section then? Seriously, those scientists are trying to separate the fly shit from the pepper IMO.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:51pm |
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nyc redneck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:57pm |
re: #41 Piglet-U93
Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans
Is this for real?
they've got their fingers in the wind.
they know this preference given to moslems won't sit well w/ most american citizens.
it's affirmative action for islam.
people should be recruited based on talent not religion.
also why does hussein want to coddle moslems anyway?
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:03pm |
re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We're a damn sight more that three sheets to the wind!
I've been trying to channel my thoughts for a good response, but have not been very successful. I harbor no grudges and will continue to navigate this thread.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:09pm |
re: #322 Sharmuta
I just gave you your 20,000th karmic point!
Thanks. I guess it's a sign that some folks around here value my contributions. :)
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brookly red Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:29pm |
re: #391 subsailor68
Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.
So there.
;-)
you had an umbilical cord? I had to catch my own food...
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:34pm |
re: #401 DaddyG
I had to beat a whole pack of swimmers to fertilize the egg. So there!
Oh yeah? I started so early the other swimmers didn't even bother to show up!
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:40pm |
re: #402 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Shuld we clipper off now?
if you do make sure you come bark later...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:51pm |
re: #408 Unakite
I've been trying to channel my thoughts for a good response, but have not been very successful. I harbor no grudges and will continue to navigate this thread.
Aww. That was a-dory-ble.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:56pm |
re: #404 buzzsawmonkey
Pretty much, yes.
Sometimes it sucks having to baby-sit our representatives but, that's our job.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:04pm |
how do you inspire people to understand what is best and encourage them to vote out pols working against their best interest?...the pressure has to come from somewhere...Doolittles Raid didn't bring down Japan but it sure sent a dire warning and rallied the American people to war...
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kingkenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:05pm |
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:11pm |
re: #407 nyc redneck
they've got their fingers in the wind.
they know this preference given to moslems won't sit well w/ most american citizens.
it's affirmative action for islam.
people should be recruited based on talent not religion.
also why does hussein want to coddle moslems anyway?
Why bother assembling a list? He's got plenty of muslims in Gitmo that need job placement and a place to live. Why not use them in the administration and house them in the West Wing?
/
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:28pm |
I am knot going to continue with this nonsense...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:32pm |
re: #390 Ward Cleaver
I'm pretty sure heart attacks are the #1 cause of death of firefighters on duty.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:42pm |
re: #405 turn
re: #358 Lincolntf
Yes. Conversely, shouldn't there have be a modest increase in intelligence since the advent of the c-section then? Seriously, those scientists are trying to separate the fly shit from the pepper IMO.
I think it's valuable from the standpoint that you can retrospectively correlate the increasing brain size, and therefore intelligence, of humans with increased pelvic width in women. At least, I assume you could.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:56pm |
re: #399 Salamantis
Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27
[Link: www.chron.com...]
Guess I'll tune in and see how things evolve.
;-)
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:15pm |
re: #418 WindHorse
I am knot going to continue with this nonsense...
I think we are only a quarter of the way through.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:32pm |
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Unakite Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:41pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:01pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:02pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:12pm |
re: #422 Ford_Prefect
I think we are only a quarter of the way through.
we've only drawn and quartered you say? I'll be keelhauled!
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:26pm |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.
I assure you, somewhere, someone is.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:34pm |
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:46pm |
re: #350 buzzsawmonkey
Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.
There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.
The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.
When I was called yesterday for some poll on the upcoming California ballot budget issues, they asked me to rate about fifteen different one-line (long line!) arguments in favor, all along the lines of, "This bill will make sure the legislature never does a bad thing again." I rated them all about two or three out of ten.
The proposition about the lottery, that it will be restructured to "finally fulfill its promise to education", ahem, after the state borrows billions against its future revenues - I rated at zero.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:04pm |
but I, I am afraid, may be at the bitter end...
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:04pm |
re: #428 DaddyG
we've only drawn and quartered you say? I'll be keelhauled!
well, maybe we have come about half way.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:31pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
I'm not surprised that big-eared prick is making political hay out of this.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:34pm |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.
Well, they didn't send the corps of engineers to build up the levees and they had 8 years to do it.
//
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:45pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
Obama's an ignorant idiot. The Red River floods as easily as New Orleans. Happens damn near every spring, some just worse than others. He conveniently forgets that 12 years ago was another terrible spring along the Red River, just downriver from Fargo in Grand Forks. It's not supposed to be close to that record up in Grand Forks.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:59pm |
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:01pm |
(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:08pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
Thanks for posting that link, someone here commented on it earlier by I didn't search for a link. Now isn't this just a stunningly brilliant scientific observation?
“If you look at the flooding that’s going on right now in North Dakota and you say to yourself, ‘If you see an increase of 2 degrees, what does that do, in terms of the situation there?’
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:15pm |
re: #430 Salamantis
There have been some successes, but it's a mixed bag...
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Well, my toes 'cause I cannot type with crossed fingers.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:18pm |
re: #431 itellu3times
I've gotten those types of polls. I always suspect they're really testing which biased, warm and fuzzy wording is most effective, not your actual opinion on the question at hand.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:26pm |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.
I'm afraid to check with Shep on Fox about the flooding. Bush and Cheney won't come out looking very good.
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:36pm |
re: #431 itellu3times
When I was called yesterday for some poll on the upcoming California ballot budget issues, they asked me to rate about fifteen different one-line (long line!) arguments in favor, all along the lines of, "This bill will make sure the legislature never does a bad thing again." I rated them all about two or three out of ten.
The proposition about the lottery, that it will be restructured to "finally fulfill its promise to education", ahem, after the state borrows billions against its future revenues - I rated at zero.
I'm planning on voting no on all of them, not sure what good it will do though.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:41pm |
re: #439 WindHorse
(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)
I guess you will have to sub-mit then.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:41pm |
re: #433 Ford_Prefect
well, maybe we have come about half way.
It is a slow news day. I've prepared to be bored-ed.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:45pm |
re: #412 LGoPs
if you do make sure you come bark later...
I don't know. What with all these puns, threads get really bloated.
*thinking*
Aw, whotthehell, let's let the Bulgine Run.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:52pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:16pm |
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_remembertonyc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:20pm |
watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.
has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.
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gregg Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:27pm |
So as I sit here "working" from home, the movie 48 Hours is on TV. That movie came out in 1982 - twenty seven years ago. Damn, do I feel old!
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:47pm |
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:06pm |
Brothers At War Movie.
Has anyone seen this film? It is not playing in my area. The nearest theater that is hosting is more than 80 miles from home.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:07pm |
re: #420 doppelganglander
Maybe, but there are overriding factors like the improvement in health, higher standard of living, and better nutrition that make more of a difference.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:09pm |
re: #434 buzzsawmonkey
Not quite. There is always the possibility of making enough people care.
The first step is to realize that there are never any automatic quick fixes. None. Ever. The Divine Right of Kings is a bust because automatic inheritance of a position regardless of ability is a terrible way to run a country. The institution of "automatic" strictures like a balanced budget amendment is a bust, because these things are a) never followed and b) if followed, are no more elastic than the Divine Right of Kings.
If we have a balanced budget amendment, what happens if we need to go into debt to finance a war? Does the Congress ignore the amendment? Or do we draft a war contingency into the amendment, which provides a reason to suspend the amendment perpetually by keeping a low-level conflict going somewhere?
The Founders surely knew the value of thrift, and balanced budgets--yet they chose to exclude such a provision from the Constitution. If we bow to their wisdom in other areas, as we rightly do, we should recognize it here.
The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.
You Brutus, you!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:09pm |
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KenJen Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:25pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
Guess he missed the part about the unusually cold and snowy winter that caused this.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:32pm |
re: #448 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?
Blame Moses
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nyc redneck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:35pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
wow, he's not a potus or a totus,
he's a full fledged cult leader.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:05pm |
re: #448 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?
Blame the burning Bush.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:23pm |
re: #439 WindHorse
(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)
Some of them are out of my league...
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:26pm |
re: #459 taxfreekiller
Bush caused the flooding and rain.
Bush caused the blizzard.Obama pulls the sun out of hiding each day.
What else is the msm reporting today.
Where does he stick it each night?
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:34pm |
re: #451 _remembertonyc
watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.
has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.
Good point. I think the media is just confused when they see the families, neighbors, friends, school kids, and just about any citizen who can lift a shovel filling their own sandbags and building their own levees.
Hey media! Wanna know what ya call those folks?
Americans!
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:40pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
Where have we heard we shouldn't confuse weather with climate change? That's what we hear every time Algore speaks during a blizzard.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:14pm |
re: #458 KenJen
Guess he missed the part about the unusually cold and snowy winter that caused this.
That's a great point - more snow and ice means more melt and runoff in the spring. So global warming would actually help...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:27pm |
re: #466 jcm
It was ManBearPig! I told you he was real!
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:32pm |
Obama Fatigue: One Marine's View
—Ace
I'm tired.
I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth around" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy or stupid to earn it.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:34pm |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:56pm |
re: #466 jcm
Where have we heard we shouldn't confuse weather with climate change? That's what we hear every time Algore speaks during a blizzard.
I've been awaiting Gore's ability to stop the weather from changing.
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:00pm |
re: #434 buzzsawmonkey
The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.
... that we are underlings.
Harumph.
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_remembertonyc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:02pm |
re: #465 subsailor68
Good point. I think the media is just confused when they see the families, neighbors, friends, school kids, and just about any citizen who can lift a shovel filling their own sandbags and building their own levees.
Hey media! Wanna know what ya call those folks?
Americans!
ding ding ding ... we have a winner!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:16pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:22pm |
re: #468 Mad Al-Jaffee
It was ManBearPig! I told you he was real!
So then, I guess we have to nuke our imagination then?
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:31pm |
re: #454 Piglet-U93
Brothers At War Movie.
Has anyone seen this film? It is not playing in my area. The nearest theater that is hosting is more than 80 miles from home.
I've heard good things. Gary Sinse produced it.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:34pm |
re: #453 Ford_Prefect
I was going to say something scimitar.
That makes me feel melancholy.
*Scythe*
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Lincolntf Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:35pm |
re: #389 doppelganglander
That's the interesting part. The development of the world (while obviously a good thing) has separated us from our natural genetic progressions. Since natural progressions have no "plan" and the most profound advances/declines are often random in nature, it makes the 1+1=2 formula of popular evolutionary thought somewhat useless in looking at modern human evolution.
I have every book ever written by Stephen Jay Gould and I'm about to start flipping through the indices to see if he addressed this subject specifically. He wasn't a huge fan of humans, so I suppose this topic might be in one of his discourses on vermiculture or bivalves. I'd trust SJG over pretty much any other source, no matter if he's a bit outdated.
If I find anything funky, I'll post it.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:50pm |
re: #434 buzzsawmonkey
well I'm bummed...people have to be smacked up somehow to come to their senses...I believe in the power of the vote but we need some vehicle, some mechanism to enlighten the droolers...there has to be an angle that will stun them to back to reality
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:58pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:07pm |
So, Dorothy's throwing a pail of water on the Witch didn't melt her?
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:20pm |
All of the farting cows in North Dakota have caused this terrible climate change and flooding.
Thus sayeth The One
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:35pm |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:39:02pm |
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #442 doppelganglander
I've gotten those types of polls. I always suspect they're really testing which biased, warm and fuzzy wording is most effective, not your actual opinion on the question at hand.
A "push poll".
I've gotten some of those, and hung up on them as soon as it became clear. This seemed legit. I like to take polls to see if they're well-constructed, and this one was.
(they even claimed that others would be given a chance to evaluate arguments against, so they seemed a little paranoid about being taken as a push poll)
Heck, I'll even sit through a push poll, to see how it's constructed, if it isn't too obnoxious - but it usually is.
Also, if a poll is obviously amateur or really badly built, I'll hang up in the middle, leaving some poor wage-slave minus his dollar completion bonus. So it goes.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:40pm |
EU urges Netanyahu to employ 2-state solution
PM-designate warned that 'relations will become very difficult' unless he commits to US-backed plan
Reuters
Published: 03.27.09, 21:51 / Israel News
The European Union warned Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday that EU ties with his country would suffer if he did not accept Palestinian calls for statehood.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
So much for negotiation? Gee that's so democratic of the EU? Hell I guess it's only Jewish lives at stake.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:45pm |
re: #451 _remembertonyc
re: #451 _remembertonyc
watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.
has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.
I heard that "you're doing a heck of a job brownie" sound bite on Chrissie's show the other day. They are still hounding Bush.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:50pm |
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:39pm |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:42pm |
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:50pm |
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tfc3rid Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:15pm |
re: #489 Nevergiveup
Eh, just another fantastic day in European Union history!
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:19pm |
re: #493 HoosierHoops
Testing new Avatar..sorry
What Victory, bought by our finest looks like!
HOORAH!
HOORAH!
HOORAH!
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:47pm |
re: #459 taxfreekiller
Bush caused the flooding and rain.
Bush caused the blizzard.Obama pulls the sun out of hiding each day.
What else is the msm reporting today.
I don't know, but I wish they were reporting Obama pulls his head out of his ass each day instead.
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_remembertonyc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:52pm |
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joncelli Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:10pm |
re: #358 Lincolntf
Seems to me we could check pelvic size for several generations back. Does that help any? Is it correlated with birth canal size?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:22pm |
re: #334 Taqiyyotomist
I do think this is quite alarming, though, but you knew that. You seem to be saying there's nothing to worry about regarding slavery (or any other euphamism for it) "in the bill" while acknowledging that there is language which purports to set up a commission to study the feasability and planning for exactly that, "in the bill". I think the latter is terrifying, if the former is.
I didn't say anything like "there's nothing to worry about." The only point I made is that the bill does NOT enact mandatory service, and that more than a few bloggers are jumping to erroneous conclusions, based on dishonest stories at infowars.com and WND -- both of which I've seen linked at blogs as sources for this overheated fantasy.
Far too many people are going off half-cocked on this one. Is it something to worry about? Maybe if it gets to the stage where they actually try to pass such a law, but America has had a military draft before, and it didn't destroy the nation.
And I seriously doubt that the army of slackers who voted for Obama are going to be down with any kind of mandatory service. If they tried to pass something like that, there would be a very loud outcry against it from both sides of the political aisle.
I don't see any valid comparison between this and an imaginary "Intelligent Design Department."
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:34pm |
re: #444 Lee Coller
I'm planning on voting no on all of them, not sure what good it will do though.
I will probably vote yes on all but the lottery one, though with great reservations, but I haven't actually seen the text yet, as I kept emphasizing to the polltaker.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:38pm |
re: #490 turn
re: #451 _remembertonyc
I heard that "you're doing a heck of a job brownie" sound bite on Chrissie's show the other day. They are still hounding Bush.
MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living
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SusanL Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:56pm |
I live in liberal land and don't dare say this out loud:
I hate Barack Obama.
My hatred has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but his lack of character.
He is going to destroy everything that we have built over the last 230 years, just because he can. I am glad my parents didn't live to see this. They sacrificed and served in WWII to save us from this crap, and he is gleefully,nay joyously ushering it in.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:57pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:22pm |
re: #506 albusteve
MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living
Up there, it's called "winter". It lasts till July.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:44pm |
re: #492 MandyManners
I can't access YouTube from here at work, but it that's "Sunny Afternoon," tahk you! One of my favorite Kinks songs.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:47pm |
re: #409 lawhawk
Thanks. I guess it's a sign that some folks around here value my contributions. :)
You bet we do- you're one of my favorites. :)
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:45:03pm |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:10pm |
re: #506 albusteve
MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living
43" houses in MI? Tiny people, I guess.
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aggieann Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:40pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:42pm |
re: #415 albusteve
how do you inspire people to understand what is best and encourage them to vote out pols working against their best interest?...the pressure has to come from somewhere...Doolittles Raid didn't bring down Japan but it sure sent a dire warning and rallied the American people to war...
I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:55pm |
re: #509 Honorary Yooper
Up there, it's called "winter". It lasts till July.
they don't even know who FEMA is...tough sob's up there
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:09pm |
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bloodnok Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:28pm |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:37pm |
OK, I am off. Perhaps we will cross paths this weekend, perhaps not. Either way, I wish you all a pleasant and safe two days.
Later Lizards!
*Walks off with towel over the shoulder, electronic thumb blinking and a pan galactic gargleblaster in his hand; ok, weaves off...
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:24pm |
re: #519 Ford_Prefect
So long, Ford. And, thanks for all the fish.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:36pm |
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:40pm |
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:46pm |
re: #502 _remembertonyc
Bush looks like George Washington compared to the crew from amateur hour in Obama's administration.
Wouldn't it be great to be a fly on the wall at his house when the topic of the O comes up? I wish we could have him back.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:25pm |
re: #434 buzzsawmonkey
Not quite. There is always the possibility of making enough people care.
The first step is to realize that there are never any automatic quick fixes. None. Ever. The Divine Right of Kings is a bust because automatic inheritance of a position regardless of ability is a terrible way to run a country. The institution of "automatic" strictures like a balanced budget amendment is a bust, because these things are a) never followed and b) if followed, are no more elastic than the Divine Right of Kings.
If we have a balanced budget amendment, what happens if we need to go into debt to finance a war? Does the Congress ignore the amendment? Or do we draft a war contingency into the amendment, which provides a reason to suspend the amendment perpetually by keeping a low-level conflict going somewhere?
The Founders surely knew the value of thrift, and balanced budgets--yet they chose to exclude such a provision from the Constitution. If we bow to their wisdom in other areas, as we rightly do, we should recognize it here.
The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.
1) you can't make people care. What's your plan to try to get people to care?
2) the amendment allows for a 3/5 vote to allow for deficit spending, I assume for such unforeseen matters as a war or disaster.
3) I think perhaps the Founders thought the people elected to represent us would know better than to spend our futures into oblivion. They also were smart enough to give us a provision to amend the Constitution as we saw fit.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:26pm |
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
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UFO TOFU Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:27pm |
A quote for the day:
"The congressional majority's handling of the 'stimulus' -- particularly in forcing votes before the conference report could even be read -- evoked the last days of the Roman Republic, with a legislature abdicating governing responsibility to an all-powerful executive. At the least, the rank and file of both parties should insist on proper legislative procedures when the budget is considered, so that every legislator (or his staff) has time to read the budget before every vote."
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:59pm |
re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can't access YouTube from here at work, but it that's "Sunny Afternoon," tahk you! One of my favorite Kinks songs.
It sure is!
Even when it's raining and snowing, the sun is still shining. We just can't see it.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:17pm |
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SusanL Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:27pm |
re: #524 turn
AMEN!
My favorite thought along those lines: Obama realized just out out of his league he is and he begs W to return.
Hey, a girl can dream.
S
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:47pm |
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:59pm |
What passes for sanity in Blue Seattle.
Homeowner plants trees on city property
Not too long ago, the Queen Anne resident put in three beautiful thundercloud trees on a strip of turf right in front of her home.
[snip]
The land actually belongs to the parks department, and they want Tammara to get rid of her trees, even though the city gave her a permit to plant them.
[snip]
But Tammara has another opinion about the use of city funds here: "It really upsets me because you think, gosh, when all is said and done, they could have fed people at a homeless shelter or reallocated the money in a way that's more useful. This just seems wasteful."
And Seattle wonders why they have budget shortfalls.
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:08pm |
re: #526 DaddyG
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
Oh the inhumanity. It was all George Bush's fault that FEMA ran out of lutfisk.
//
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tfc3rid Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:10pm |
re: #515 Sharmuta
I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.
I agree it will definitely get people talking... That's NEVER a bad thing... Maybe it will educate...
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:26pm |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:37pm |
re: #515 Sharmuta
I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.
well I refuse to give up...there is action we can take and solutions to all of it, history proves it to be so...I still think it is an excellent idea and really it's a whole new ball game...who knows what may become of it?...provisions could be written for exceptions, like war or disaster...maybe I'm naive
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:49pm |
re: #526 DaddyG
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
Lutheran Casserole?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:52pm |
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:53pm |
I liked the title of that book "we're all just a bunch of bozos in a bus"
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:05pm |
re: #506 albusteve
MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living
Didn't fit the MSM agenda of promoting gorbal warming.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:21pm |
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:27pm |
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:39pm |
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:41pm |
North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.
Chose one and send money to [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:42pm |
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:58pm |
re: #542 turn
Didn't fit the MSM agenda of promoting gorbal warming.
-sigh- Remember they can't lose. Global warming caused global cooling and any and all climate change.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:05pm |
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vagabond trader Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:19pm |
re: #461 nyc redneck
He's a full fledged man caused disaster.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:29pm |
National and State Science Association Statements About Texas Science Standards
[Link: www.chron.com...]
Numerous national and state science associations have written letters to the Texas State Board of Education asking that the Science Standards be adopted as written by the original science panels and without unscientific amendments made by nonscientist State Board of Education members. Dozens of other national and state science associations have signed a statement asking for the same thing. This statement will be released on Wednesday, March 25, in Austin at the Texas Education Agency at an 11:30 a.m. press conference just before public testimony begins.
Several prominent scientists and science advocates will speak at the press conference, including Dr. Lawrence Krauss, Foundation Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration and the Physics Dept, Co-Director of the Cosmology Initiative, and Inaugural Director of the Origins Initiative at Arizona State University, Dr. David Hillis, University of Texas at Austin Department of Integrative Biology Professor, Dr. Ron Wetherington, Southern Methodist University Anthropology Professor and Director of the Center for Teaching Excellence, Dr. Gerald Skoog, Texas Tech University Professor and Dean Emeritus of the College of Education, Dr. Eugenie Scott, National Center for Science Education Executive Director, and Dr. Steven Schafersman, Texas Citizens for Science President.
Here are five of the letters. (These are all PDF files.)
American Association for the Advancement of Science
[Link: www.texscience.org...]
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]
The Paleontological Society
[Link: www.texscience.org...]
National Association of Biology Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]
Texas Association of Biology Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:35pm |
re: #537 albusteve
well I refuse to give up...there is action we can take and solutions to all of it, history proves it to be so...I still think it is an excellent idea and really it's a whole new ball game...who knows what may become of it?...provisions could be written for exceptions, like war or disaster...maybe I'm naive
It already contains a provision for deficit spending- it requires a 3/5 vote by both houses. Why would we propose an amendment like this without a provision for an emergency? That would be folly.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:40pm |
re: #547 lifeofthemind
North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.Chose one and send money to [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]
5. George Bush
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:56pm |
re: #544 fat bastard vegetarian
No, I often frain, and then stop.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:13pm |
These conspiracies on right wing blogs are planted there by George Soros!
/conspiracy theory
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:13pm |
I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?
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Dianna Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:34pm |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
These conspiracies on right wing blogs are planted there by George Soros!
/conspiracy theory
Nicely twisted!
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:45pm |
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:46pm |
re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian
I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?
For Lizards it's Honco!
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:14pm |
re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian
I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?
Well what do you expect from a group of...
...er?
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:17pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:27pm |
The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?
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Buck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:39pm |
re: #555 Hengineer
re: #547 lifeofthemind
North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.Chose one and send money to [Link: [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]...]
5. George Bush
5. George Bush
1 & 2...CLIMATE CHANGE...
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:58pm |
re: #563 jcm
For Lizards it's Honco!
That still sounds like a front company for Ron Popeil to me.
"New from Honco - the LizardMatic rotating title generator!"
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:00pm |
re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian
I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?
Which 'we' are you talkin' about, you fat bastard?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:15pm |
Octomom is a secret government experiment to rapidly breed and army of liberals. She didn't give birth until Rove was out of the way.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:25pm |
re: #526 DaddyG
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
Soon Kanye West will say, 'I guess Obama doesn't like Lutheran people."
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albusteve Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:35pm |
re: #554 Sharmuta
It already contains a provision for deficit spending- it requires a 3/5 vote by both houses. Why would we propose an amendment like this without a provision for an emergency? That would be folly.
I booked your link and have not read it yet, just surfed over it...I was responding to Buzz's arguments
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itellu3times Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:38pm |
re: #566 Sharmuta
The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?
They ran out of fractions after that 3/5 thing.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:42pm |
Source: Ex-Miss. governor to get Navy post nod
By Emily Wagster Pettus - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Mar 27, 2009 13:03:55 EDT
JACKSON, Miss. — President Barack Obama will nominate former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus to be secretary of the Navy, a person familiar with the discussions told The Associated Press on Friday.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
Mabus served in the Navy from 1970-72 as a surface warfare officer on the Newport, R.I.-based cruiser Little Rock. Before then, he was in the Naval ROTC while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Mississippi.
Hardly a great resume for Sec of Navy? Anyone know this guy?
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:45pm |
re: #569 debutaunt
Which 'we' are you talkin' about, you fat bastard?
What do you mean, "you people"?
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:06pm |
re: #541 Hengineer
I liked the title of that book "we're all just a bunch of bozos
in aunder the bus"
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:16pm |
re: #530 SusanL
AMEN!
My favorite thought along those lines: Obama realized just out out of his league he is and he begs W to return.
Hey, a girl can dream.
S
Dream on girl. I bet the market would go up 1000 points on that day and the MSM would actually be so relieved they got a re-do they wouldn't bash him any more. Hey, your avatar looks like my old Sam cat.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:50pm |
re: #568 DaddyG
That still sounds like a front company for Ron Popeil to me.
"New from Honco - the LizardMatic rotating title generator!"
New from Honco -- The Showtime Trolltisserie
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:54pm |
re: #578 turn
Dream on girl. I bet the market would go up 1000 points on that day and the MSM would actually be so relieved they got a re-do they wouldn't bash him any more. Hey, your avatar looks like my old Sam cat.
Romney
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:55pm |
re: #567 Buck
re: #547 lifeofthemind
1 & 2...CLIMATE CHANGE...
8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.
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joncelli Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:55pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Area 57 comes into this somewhere.
/No, not Area 51; the aliens took that over.
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Buck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:04pm |
Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"
Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:11pm |
re: #574 itellu3times
4/3rds of people are bad at fractions.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:27pm |
re: #566 Sharmuta
The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?
Out of the mouth of a babe...;~)
/J/K! PLEEZEdon'tkill me!
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:16pm |
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:24pm |
re: #584 fat bastard vegetarian
4/3rds of people are bad at fractions.
There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:57pm |
re: #549 Hengineer
-sigh- Remember they can't lose. Global warming caused global cooling and any and all climate change.
Seriously, they're calling it climate change now just in case it goes either way (which it has throughout time immortal)
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:01:06pm |
re: #583 Buck
Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"
Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.
Well Bush wanted to actually kill them, Obama wants to "fund" them to death ( 1.5 billion to our pals the Pakistanians?).
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:06pm |
re: #588 turn
Seriously, they're calling it climate change now just in case it goes either way (which it has throughout time immortal)
I took it as a sign they knew they were losing the argument. Skeptics call it natural climate change, they co-opted the term .
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:20pm |
re: #575 Nevergiveup
Source: Ex-Miss. governor to get Navy post nod
By Emily Wagster Pettus - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Mar 27, 2009 13:03:55 EDT
JACKSON, Miss. — President Barack Obama will nominate former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus to be secretary of the Navy, a person familiar with the discussions told The Associated Press on Friday.[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
Mabus served in the Navy from 1970-72 as a surface warfare officer on the Newport, R.I.-based cruiser Little Rock. Before then, he was in the Naval ROTC while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Mississippi.
Hardly a great resume for Sec of Navy? Anyone know this guy?
The last candidate I heard about was deemed qualified because he
1. Ran the Intrepid nautical museum, did a good job apparently
2. was gay
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:41pm |
re: #504 Charles
I hear you, and I also wish people would read more at the source. Too many people are treating the news like a chain-email, and it gets twisted along the way.
The ID reference was a hypothetical analogy. I picked something you'd likely be worried about, and made a hypothetical scenario wherein the Congress passes a bill with language not actually "setting up" an ID department, but merely setting up a commission to study the feasability and planning of an ID department. The hypotheical analogy is furthered as I asked what you would say if I dismissed it saying there was no language setting up an ID department. The analogy is apt, I think.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:52pm |
I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:03:05pm |
I guess Ford_Prefect must have gone to launch...
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:03:16pm |
re: #526 DaddyG
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
It was either that or lutefisk...
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:00pm |
re: #570 fat bastard vegetarian
Too much water?
Thank you for giving me 4,000 on my Karma
I would like to thank the Academy and all the Little People too.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:11pm |
re: #591 lifeofthemind
The last candidate I heard about was deemed qualified because he
1. Ran the Intrepid nautical museum, did a good job apparently
2. was gay
Oh Yeah, I remember that.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:40pm |
re: #594 WindHorse
I guess Ford_Prefect must have gone to launch...
I think he's having a peanut butter and jetty sandwich.
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:58pm |
I don't get these "Climate Change" complaints. I thought "Change" was a good thing.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:11pm |
re: #596 lifeofthemind
Thank you for giving me 4,000 on my Karma
I would like to thank the Academy and all the Little People too.
You love me..you really really love me!
/Salley Fields
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aggieann Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:15pm |
re: #526 DaddyG
CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.
//
Well, it was either that or dig into another casserole.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:18pm |
It's been a while since I listened to Stuck Mojo's Southern Born Killer. "Prelude to Anger" is a recording of the transmissions from 9-11 as one jet turned eastward. "There's a bomb on board."
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:24pm |
re: #593 Sharmuta
I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.
If the Whigs had had their way, neither could I, I'm only 27, and I don't own any land.
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debutaunt Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:44pm |
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:45pm |
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nyc redneck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:51pm |
re: #507 SusanL
I live in liberal land and don't dare say this out loud:
I hate Barack Obama.
My hatred has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but his lack of character.
He is going to destroy everything that we have built over the last 230 years, just because he can. I am glad my parents didn't live to see this. They sacrificed and served in WWII to save us from this crap, and he is gleefully,nay joyously ushering it in.
i was thinking how o said 'america is no longer the country it once could be.'
or some such shite.
from day one he has been out to destroy our country. remake us.
he constantly tears down america. as does wab and all the other scum bags in his circle.
but he can't point to one country or form of gov't that has existed anywhere, at any time, that is better than what our founding fathers created in their brilliance.
o is such an arrogant thug, he thinks he is smarter than thomas jefferson, or
george washington or ben franklin. and he thinks he has a better plan than the
u.s. constitution.
i'm just praying for the moment when people wake up
and realize their country is worth preserving.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:06:11pm |
re: #581 lifeofthemind
8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.
Talk about your moral equivalence.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:06:21pm |
re: #583 Buck
Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"
Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.
The Taleeban have entered a different world. There is a new Sheriff in town & he is kickin ass & takin names. Obama is a whole other thing for them. Just wait until he sends them strongly worded letters.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:20pm |
re: #600 Lee Coller
I don't get these "Climate Change" complaints. I thought "Change" was a good thing.
/
Only if by change you mean a Democrat in the White House.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:21pm |
re: #609 opnion
The Taleeban have entered a different world. There is a new Sheriff in town & he is kickin ass & takin names. Obama is a whole other thing for them. Just wait until he sends them strongly worded letters.
With money stuffed inside like my grandmother used to do?
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:25pm |
re: #593 Sharmuta
I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.
The founders put in place a method to change the Constitution. Not Congressional fiat, Executive Order, or Judaical Activism are legitimate.
The Amendment process insures that Amendments to the Constitution are well considered, and allow for the Constitution to be changed when it's needed.
The Amendment process is the founders intent. Following the founders intent the 19th Amendment was included in the Constitution.
You vote is covered and is in keeping with Originalist Intent.
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quickjustice Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:09pm |
Pectoral appendages. She's from Minnesota, so I just call them the Twins. Whatever.
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:15pm |
re: #581 lifeofthemind
8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.
9. Mickey Mouse
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:33pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:07pm |
re: #604 Hengineer
The Founders gave us a mechanism by which to amend the Constitution so that we could make corrections when the law was found lacking. They were wise to make it a difficult hurdle to clear, but obviously the fact the mechanism exists tells me they realized that in the future, changes might need to be made. I think Washington's inability to control spending is just such a case.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:07pm |
re: #611 Nevergiveup
With money stuffed inside like my grandmother used to do?
Well ,he has to get those fists unclenched.
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:17pm |
re: #581 lifeofthemind
8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.
if you are wearing lead to protect you from radiation you'll sink in the flood you dumbass
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:20pm |
re: #612 jcm
The founders put in place a method to change the Constitution. Not Congressional fiat, Executive Order, or Judaical Activism are legitimate.
No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?
heh.
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Cygnus Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:39pm |
re: #28 Sharmuta
If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?
Common sense - like not voting for Obama.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:41pm |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
Octomom is a secret government experiment to rapidly breed and army of liberals. She didn't give birth until Rove was out of the way.
If there is a correlation between intelligence and the size of the birth canal, you sure ought to be able to measure it between her first and eighth child.
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spaceman Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:52pm |
re: #403 MandyManners
More good than not. Most of the variations of "strengths and weaknesses" or "sufficiency and insufficiency" phrasing is being cut. The originally offending amendments are generally being kept, however with the much preferable "analyze and evaluate", sometimes with the modifier "scientific explanations" added.
It is not ideal, and many of the phrasings are becoming overly complicated. But, I think it is OK so far. In fact, the YEC faction may be surprised to realize after the fact how much MORE detail on evolutionary biology via genetics and the fossil record they are causing to be placed into the textbooks to satisfy the need for specific evaluation of topics which they consider "controversial".
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:57pm |
re: #609 opnion
And don't forget those teleprompter-guided Scathing denunciations...
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:03pm |
re: #619 Salamantis
No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?
heh.
You are very ecucomical.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:28pm |
re: #612 jcm
I was being completely tongue in cheek there. As much as I respect buzzsaw, I think that aspect of his argument is weak, and I utterly reject it.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:45pm |
Obama's cap / trade and green jobs policy will actually make global warming worse by driving industry to non-CO2 regulated states (China and India).
As a case study, Spain spent a ton of money on creating "green jobs" which drove up energy costs. The costs wound up driving jobs to South Africa and the USA (according to one large steel producer).
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
And: the Spanish experiment lost 2 jobs for every "green job" created.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:50pm |
re: #616 Sharmuta
The Founders gave us a mechanism by which to amend the Constitution so that we could make corrections when the law was found lacking. They were wise to make it a difficult hurdle to clear, but obviously the fact the mechanism exists tells me they realized that in the future, changes might need to be made. I think Washington's inability to control spending is just such a case.
The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:21pm |
re: #630 Hengineer
The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.
We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:45pm |
Even Alexis De Toqueville predicted many moons ago that the US democracy would bankrupt itself, once people figured out that they could get government freebies by voting in legislators who would rape the national treasury to dole out public largesse.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:51pm |
re: #631 jcm
It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!
Quaker Activists! Quaker Extremists! The world is going to Heck!
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fat bastard vegetarian Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:22pm |
re: #634 Hengineer
Quaker Activists! Quaker Extremists! The world is going to Heck!
Watch thy blue language, sir.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:31pm |
re: #628 turn
Yes, or Newt.
There's some guy named Newt who has had Winston Churchill's "The Wilderness Years" checked out of the Altanta library all winter.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:32pm |
re: #488 itellu3times
I get a lot of polls, political as well as marketing, for some reason. Like you, I like to analyze them. That can be very frustrating for the poor kid on the other end who isn't allowed to go off script. I worked in telephone market research years and years ago, so it's fun for me.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:41pm |
re: #623 Fenway_Nation
And don't forget those teleprompter-guided Scathing denunciations...
Oh man , good call! The Talleeban will be begging for mercy.
In the alternative they might demand to come here & get welfare.
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:50pm |
re: #416 kingkenrod
Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:
“If you look at the flooding that’s going on right now in North Dakota and you say to yourself, ‘If you see an increase of 2 degrees, what does that do, in terms of the situation there?’ that indicates the degree to which we have to take this seriously,” he said.
Maybe the fucking sandbags won't freeze
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:08pm |
re: #626 Sharmuta
I was being completely tongue in cheek there. As much as I respect buzzsaw, I think that aspect of his argument is weak, and I utterly reject it.
Kinda thought so. Missed upthread...
Thought I might restate what should be obvious...
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:16pm |
Developing story here in NYC metro area: Whitestone bridge closed in both directions after major accident. A truck knocked down an overhead sign, blocking traffic in both directions. Good luck getting home tonight if you're trying to go between the Bronx and Queens.
Oh, and the accident was caused by a construction crew working on the bridge:
Shortly after 1 p.m., a boon truck driven by a MTA Bridges and Tunnels contractor struck an overhead sign on the Queensbound (southbound) plaza of the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge near the Queens anchorage, according to the MTA.The impact took down the sign and the gantry -- the metal system that supports signs -- blocking all five lanes (three southbound and two Bronx-bound lanes, and closing the bridge in both directions.
The truck, which has a crane attached to the back, was driving near the Queens anchorage when it struck the sign.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:18pm |
re: #635 fat bastard vegetarian
Watch thy blue language, sir.
I heretofore retract mine statement sir.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:07pm |
re: #641 lawhawk
Developing story here in NYC metro area: Whitestone bridge closed in both directions after major accident. A truck knocked down an overhead sign, blocking traffic in both directions. Good luck getting home tonight if you're trying to go between the Bronx and Queens.
Oh, and the accident was caused by a construction crew working on the bridge:
A troubled bridge over water.
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joncelli Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:13pm |
re: #621 turn
If there is a correlation between intelligence and the size of the birth canal, you sure ought to be able to measure it between her first and eighth child.
So the 8th child will be more intelligent than the 1st?
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Buck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:15pm |
re: #631 jcm
It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!
Around here I worry about the PUNish...
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:21pm |
re: #631 jcm
It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!
They tried to kill superman by exposing him to Mennonite!
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:23pm |
re: #625 buzzsawmonkey
We're fucked, okay? No one cares, and you can't make them. They don't want to care.
There is no mechanism to force Congress to stop their spending sprees. NONE. And there is nothing else you can propose that will make them except forcing them to balance the budget. Nothing.
We're fucked is what you're telling me. We're fucked.
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doppelganglander Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:25pm |
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subsailor68 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:40pm |
re: #636 DaddyG
There's some guy named Newt who has had Winston Churchill's "The Wilderness Years" checked out of the Altanta library all winter.
/
Love it! Tried to upding, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be working for me.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:51pm |
Is it just a bug of the auto refresh that it will repeat a few comments (including yours) when you post a comment when it refreshes?
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:03pm |
re: #590 jcm
I took it as a sign they knew they were losing the argument. Skeptics call it natural climate change, they co-opted the term .
It's not even an argument it's scientific fact, they choose to ignore evidence that doesn't fit their agenda. This global warming hype is nothing more that a way to brain wash people to feel good about themselves for supporting cap and trade while the dems cooked up the whole scenario to bleed us dry through taxes.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:20pm |
re: #644 joncelli
So the 8th child will be more intelligent than the 1st?
He was smart enough to wait until he could walk out.
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alegrias Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:38pm |
re: #632 Hengineer
We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.
re: #632 Hengineer
We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.
* * * *
Get peoples' asses out to vote first. We already have that privilege, for now. What makes you think democrats are going to support term limits now that they control all three branches of government?
Start tossing out the rotten apples in your city council, county boards, state house of representatives, etc.
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Buck Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:46pm |
re: #647 Sharmuta
We're fucked, okay? No one cares, and you can't make them. They don't want to care.
There is no mechanism to force Congress to stop their spending sprees. NONE. And there is nothing else you can propose that will make them except forcing them to balance the budget. Nothing.
We're fucked is what you're telling me. We're fucked.
Relax, they can't spend all the money in the first two years, and there are still going to be elections...
There is a system in place to stop the government from defying the people for too long.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:04pm |
I've been enjoying Theresa Andersson's music quite a bit lately. She is from Sweden but immigrated to the US in 1990 and lives in New Orleans, and is active in the music scene there. She has an amazing voice and plays the violin (and other instruments as well).
Here's a couple of her homemade videos:
She uses loop pedals and DJ equipment to create entire songs by herself.
Her new release "Hummingbird, Go" is fantastic.
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:17pm |
re: #625 buzzsawmonkey
"If a child graduating high school in ten years is up to the educational level of a child with an eighth grade education sixty years ago, that will be a vast improvement."
So true, since my brother's daughters (high school graduates, 2007 and 2008) cannot multiply 2 times 50 and get the right answer.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:18pm |
Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:37pm |
re: #632 Hengineer
We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.
Term limits throw out the baby with the bathwater. What we could use is a new way to set Congressional districts.
/And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:53pm |
re: #654 Buck
Relax, they can't spend all the money in the first two years, and there are still going to be elections...
There is a system in place to stop the government from defying the people for too long.
And it's utterly broken. We're fucked.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:57pm |
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alegrias Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:04pm |
re: #638 opnion
Oh man , good call! The Talleeban will be begging for mercy.
In the alternative they might demand to come here & get welfare.
* * **
Giving the Taliban green cards and carte blanche credit cards is next no doubt.
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Cygnus Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:21pm |
re: #619 Salamantis
No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?
heh.
Followers of Ceiling Cat activism!
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:32pm |
re: #613 quickjustice
Pectoral appendages. She's from Minnesota, so I just call them the Twins. Whatever.
Am I on a bood thread and didn't even know it?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:42pm |
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rawmuse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:58pm |
re: #633 Salamantis
Even Alexis De Toqueville predicted many moons ago that the US democracy would bankrupt itself, once people figured out that they could get government freebies by voting in legislators who would rape the national treasury to dole out public largesse.
There was a cycle to his reasoning, in that mankind goes from Liberty to Enslavement, in stages, and then back again. The quote is out there somewhere, but I forget exactly how it goes.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:15pm |
re: #664 turn
Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!
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Kragar Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:19pm |
re: #663 Cygnus
Followers of Ceiling Cat activism!
Its those crazy Basement Cat Bastards you got to watch out for
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:32pm |
re: #664 turn
Am I on a bood thread and didn't even know it?
These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:40pm |
re: #657 Sharmuta
Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?
It's called elections. And an informed electorate voting in enlightened self interest.
We now have an uninformed electorate operation in selfish self interest.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:40pm |
Looks like the vote isn't going well for creationist in Texas:
The Texas school board has tentatively voted to scrap a 20-year requirement that public school students discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution and Darwin's theory of the origin of life, the Houston Chronicle reports.
If adopted in a final vote today, the new science curriculum standards will take effect with the 2010-2011 school year and last a decade. The Chronicle calls the move a "setback for critics of evolution."
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:44pm |
re: #662 buzzsawmonkey
I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.
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Cygnus Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:46pm |
re: #669 DaddyG
These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.
They are usually milked for all they're worth.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:03pm |
re: #671 jcm
It's called elections. And an informed electorate voting in enlightened self interest.
We now have an uninformed electorate operation in selfish self interest.
Look what elections got us.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:12pm |
re: #667 Taqiyyotomist
Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!
Back in the day this would be a baud thread...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:17pm |
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alegrias Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:56pm |
re: #673 Sharmuta
I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.
* * * *
As a last resort, use de feet.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:21:28pm |
You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.
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jorline Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:21:47pm |
Good afternoon all.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:12pm |
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:20pm |
#174 Charles
That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.
Charles,
I disagree with you. I did read it. I didn't get this off a blog or website but from Fox News. Maybe forced is using hyperbole, but there is a slippery slope here. I don't think the language in this article by opponents is distorted or unreasonable. It's easy to see where this can be headed if under socialist rule as do those who disagree with Obama and his civilian volunteer force. Volunteers can be promised better grades, scholarships and stipends, assured a job after service. There is a quid pro quo here - so maybe not forced initially into service, but using a carrot on a stick; if you don't serve, well, you lose.
Aides to Miller say they are awaiting estimates from the Congressional Budget Office on how much the GIVE Act would ultimately cost. In addition to all of the funding that goes to organizations in the forms of grants and administrative costs, AmeriCorps volunteers typically receive stipends and college scholarships when they complete one of the several available programs.
For example, a participant in the National Civilian Community Corps, which is a 10-month residential commitment, now receives $4,000 in living expenses and a $4,475 in money toward school. That conceivably would increase under the new legislation. [there is a quid pro quo here - so maybe not forced initially into service, but using a carrot on a stick. Can anyone spell ACORN? - ladycatnip]
But regardless of the budget estimate, the financial benefits outweigh the cost, Racusen said.
"The millions of Americans who volunteered in 2007 generated benefits worth $158 billion," Racusen said. "A cost-benefit analysis of AmeriCorps, for example, shows that every dollar invested in the programs yields almost $4 in direct, measurable benefits. Investing in service helps low-income students achieve in school, prepares future workers for green jobs, provides assistance to veterans returning from war, and rebuilds homes and communities after disasters."
Many of the provisions in the GIVE Act can be found in Obama's 2010 fiscal year budget blueprint issued in February. The administration proposes $1.3 billion for the Corporation for National and Community Service, which administers AmeriCorps. CNCS received an estimated $260 million in fiscal 2009.
But some critics on the right suggest that the president's push for national service goes too far, and the recent congressional steps toward expanding the federal role in volunteerism and "civilian service" smacks of a larger agenda. They point to a campaign speech the president made last July in which he suggested national security could be entrusted to a civilian force."
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:43pm |
re: #636 DaddyG
Have you read that? I just searched at Amazon, chronicles his political career. Would be an interesting read if I had the time.
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alegrias Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:46pm |
re: #675 Sharmuta
Look what elections got us.
* * * *
Elections got some of the electorate the change they wanted.
The next election opportunity you have, help WIN it.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:11pm |
re: #673 Sharmuta
I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.
You have to have a small govt activist Congress, like 1994, coupled with someone like Reagan in the White House. A tall order. Unfortunately, we have exactly the opposite of that right now. But it could happen as early as 2012.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:13pm |
re: #675 Sharmuta
Look what elections got us.
/term limits would help stop the corruption from becoming entrenched like it is now
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OldLineTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:18pm |
re: #679 Sharmuta
You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.
You know, it's been a lot worse in previous parts of American history.
I am not kidding.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:23pm |
Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.
As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths
Are you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)
Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:
European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percent
Many members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.
European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percent
Surprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.
The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:
[Link: www.fas.org...]
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Piglet-U93 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:37pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:44pm |
re: #656 Piglet-U93
"If a child graduating high school in ten years is up to the educational level of a child with an eighth grade education sixty years ago, that will be a vast improvement."
So true, since my brother's daughters (high school graduates, 2007 and 2008) cannot multiply 2 times 50 and get the right answer.
That's when Little Hawk will be graduating. Mrs. Hawk and I are already working to make sure the math is up to par. It shows too, those are his best grades.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:47pm |
re: #675 Sharmuta
Look what elections got us.
40 years of liberals co-opting the education system.
How many coming out of high school or college define "enlightened self interest?
How many would if asked about our form of government answer a "democracy?"
It took us 4 decades of educational malfeasance, and 7 decades of congress malpractice to get here.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:24:21pm |
re: #674 Cygnus
They are usually milked for all they're worth.
The first few posts the boob puns usually stand on their own, but after a while people really stretch them and they start to sag a bit.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:24:42pm |
re: #661 alegrias
* * **
Giving the Taliban green cards and carte blanche credit cards is next no doubt.
And in state tuituion.
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rawmuse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:00pm |
re: #679 Sharmuta
The way I see it, Failure is a good teacher. Just look what it did for the Republicans.
Now, the other team is at bat, they have an agenda a mile wide, and to top it all off, none of them has ever produced anything in their entire lives other than oppressive laws and debt.
Once the American people turn on a light switch and nothing happens, or can't buy a tank of gas at any price, reality might sink in.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:02pm |
re: #685 buzzsawmonkey
If you don't vote, the domestic terrorists win.
And I mean that.
They already have. And you're telling me there is no way to stop them.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:13pm |
re: #664 turn
bood thread? ha now wonder you never get any turn.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:08pm |
re: #667 Taqiyyotomist
Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!
I know, I just read down to my post and am sitting here LOL!
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:12pm |
re: #657 Sharmuta
Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?
Send them all up on the next Shuttle and dump them at the space station. Remove all communications devices.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:27pm |
re: #683 turn
Have you read that? I just searched at Amazon, chronicles his political career. Would be an interesting read if I had the time.
No- just excerpts. It would be a good read but I've already got a stack of good books to get to in front of me right now.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:22pm |
Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:24pm |
re: #669 DaddyG
These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.
I didn't know that, so boods are sharp? o my
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:57pm |
re: #693 jcm
How many would if asked about our form of government answer a "democracy?"
Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?
//A little Democratic Republican humor
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:28:02pm |
re: #694 DaddyG
The first few posts the boob puns usually stand on their own, but after a while people really stretch them and they start to sag a bit.
Good one, bra!
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:28:25pm |
re: #704 turn
I didn't know that, so boods are sharp? o my
I'd love it if they poked me in the mouth.
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:00pm |
Debrah Burlingame is now on with Cavuto bashing the fact that the proposed Freedom Tower will actually be called one World Trade.
The reasoning is that Freedom Toweri s not marketable.
She made a great commenty, "Al Queda does't care if we call it the Diversity Center."
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:05pm |
re: #668 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its those crazy Basement Cat Bastards you got to watch out for
They just won't follow Ceiling Cat.
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vagabond trader Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:06pm |
re: #504 Charles
Charles, the Vietnam War and draft was one of the pivotal events of my lifetime and of all those I grew up with. The draft most certainly did tear this nation apart and anyone who lived during it will tell you the same.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:14pm |
re: #706 DaddyG
Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?
//A little Democratic Republican humor
Upding for the Democratic Republican answer.
/our true form of government: Democratic-Republic
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:27pm |
re: #706 DaddyG
Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?
//A little Democratic Republican humor
You'd need to lobby your Representative!
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OldLineTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:29pm |
re: #695 opnion
And in state tuituion.
Well, of course. As we have found out with illegal aliens, it's racist if you don't. Unless the kid is a citizen.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:54pm |
re: #698 turn
bood thread? ha now wonder you never get any turn.
boods are like boobs only on a girls back. Makes her look funny but boy is she fun to dance with.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:55pm |
And for the record, I don't support term limits because we already have them in the form of elections. I think term limits could cost us decent representatives.
But elections ARE NOT an effective means by which to control Congressional spending. So someone tell me a better solution than an amendment to force the issue.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:15pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:26pm |
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:46pm |
re: #703 Sharmuta
Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?
I've got a rope.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:31:34pm |
re: #630 Hengineer
The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.
Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is the mechanism by which politicians stay in power. No wonder the re-election of incumbents is in the 95% range.
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rawmuse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:31:48pm |
re: #703 Sharmuta
Another point that should be remembered is that there are at times, legitimate reasons to incur debt. National disaster, war, etc. That is why I disagree with such a budget amendment.
But the new debt is all social engineering by socialist eggheads. It is a grand experiment, nothing more. Plus, we are still sending a good bit of money overseas, which, in and of itself is questionable, since such spending has no place in anything posing as a Domestic Stimulus bill. $200 million for Filipino veterans and $900 million for Hamas does not help anyone in the USA.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:25pm |
re: #721 rawmuse
The proposed amendment allows for deficit spending with a 3/5 vote in both houses.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:44pm |
John Thompson-the "great" basketball expert- is on the Fan now with Mike. Expert my ass. He took a team to the Olympics without a guy who could shoot from the outside.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:49pm |
re: #679 Sharmuta
You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.
Taking an informed voice out of the fray is not the way to counter the uninformed.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:13pm |
re: #711 vagabond trader
Charles, the Vietnam War and draft was one of the pivotal events of my lifetime and of all those I grew up with. The draft most certainly did tear this nation apart and anyone who lived during it will tell you the same.
I won't.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:24pm |
re: #702 buzzsawmonkey
That read like an Aesop fable buzz, very wise.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:30pm |
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vagabond trader Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:32pm |
re: #716 Sharmuta
Judging by the crop we've been subjected to in the last decade or so, who would be missed if term limits were enacted? ( they never will be)
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Egregious Philbin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:41pm |
History will never remember the saga of the Vikings and Beekeepers.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:49pm |
re: #712 Hengineer
Upding for the Democratic Republican answer.
/our true form of government: Democratic-Republic
Or more tightly defined.
Representative Republic with the Rule of Law.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:54pm |
re: #703 Sharmuta
Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?
Other than revolution? I'd bet that a grassroots activism would be effective. If it doesn't force the congresscritters to amend their ways, it will allow the group to elect someone who will. We need another Teddy Roosevelt or another Reagan. I like Teddy.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:11pm |
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rawmuse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:17pm |
re: #723 Sharmuta
The proposed amendment allows for deficit spending with a 3/5 vote in both houses.
If it is being done by way of a Constitutional Convention, then hold on, because every leftist ideal you can imagine will also want a place at the convention.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:25pm |
re: #689 Bobibutu
Those are interesting statistics to be sure, but there's one factor that isn't addressed - the casualty rates per 1,000 troops. I believe the numbers are higher during the Bush years because the size of the military was far smaller than during the Reagan or Clinton years, so while in absolute numbers, the number of casualties was lower, there was a higher percentage of those in uniform who were killed during the Bush years. That's not an indictment of Bush era policy, but it does point out that during the supposed years of peace under Clinton, they suffered far higher casualties despite being in a peacetime mode (most deaths due to training accidents, etc.)
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:27pm |
re: #725 CyanSnowHawk
Taking an informed voice out of the fray is not the way to counter the uninformed.
Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:34pm |
re: #730 Egregious Philbin
What a great friggin nic. LOL!
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:06pm |
re: #732 ConservatismNow!
Other than revolution? I'd bet that a grassroots activism would be effective. If it doesn't force the congresscritters to amend their ways, it will allow the group to elect someone who will. We need another Teddy Roosevelt or another Reagan. I like Teddy.
Of course- it might be easier to pass a Constitutional amendment...
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:10pm |
re: #715 DaddyG
boods are like boobs only on a girls back. Makes her look funny but boy is she fun to dance with.
Thanks for that visual DG!
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:12pm |
re: #733 Nevergiveup
The Macabees were kick ass fighting Jooos. What's not to like.
(I like the beer, too.)
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:22pm |
I'm going to stir the pot a bit here on the volunteer corps issue, and risk losing some karma.
Enough of us have read Heinlein's Starship Troopers that this discussion should work.
For those who haven't, the relevant part is that full citizens need to volunteer some time in government service. Those who do so, get additional rights, including the right to vote; those who chose not to serve do not get to vote or serve in government.
Many lizards find nothing wrong with this, the way Heinlein proposed it and the way it worked in the novel; yet we find significant problems with the Democrats proposing it.
So, class, please discuss whether you agree with national service as a condition for voting in both cases, in neither case, or in one but not the other.
If you agree with one case but not the other, please defend your apparent inconsistency.
I'll start.
If this were being proposed as a restructuring of government, and if we trusted the government at the time, having people choose whether to not to volunteer wouldn't be a problem. The government would sustain itself with patriots.
However, we do not trust the Democrats at all, and this program even less. Its goal seems to produce nice communists, not true citizens, capable of thinking for themselves, and who love what the country stands for.
Do I see any hands to continue this discussion?
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Egregious Philbin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:23pm |
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:27pm |
re: #731 jcm
Or more tightly defined.
Representative Republic with the Rule of Law.
Well on the State level, sometimes it truly is a democracy, as there are public propositions that the people can directly vote on.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:48pm |
I live in a deep blue congressional district, so really- my vote doesn't matter.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:26pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
Nope. I'd rather talk about something really silly and frivolous right now cause it's almost quitting time on the East coast.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:46pm |
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:46pm |
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opnion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:00pm |
re: #714 OldLineTexan
Well, of course. As we have found out with illegal aliens, it's racist if you don't. Unless the kid is a citizen.
We are being made fools out of.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:09pm |
re: #721 rawmuse
Another point that should be remembered is that there are at times, legitimate reasons to incur debt. National disaster, war, etc. That is why I disagree with such a budget amendment.
But the new debt is all social engineering by socialist eggheads. It is a grand experiment, nothing more. Plus, we are still sending a good bit of money overseas, which, in and of itself is questionable, since such spending has no place in anything posing as a Domestic Stimulus bill. $200 million for Filipino veterans and $900 million for Hamas does not help anyone in the USA.
It's not a common mistake here in lizard land, but many confuse debt and deficit.
Debt is long term obligations that are paid over time.
Deficit is spending more than revenue.
Debt is acceptable as long it's controlled and can be paid for within a specified time and within current revenue.
Deficit is not acceptable and will result in insolvency.
When it necessary to spend more than revenue, controlled debt can be incurred.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:41pm |
re: #744 Sharmuta
I live in a deep blue congressional district, so really- my vote doesn't matter.
My home state is a deep blue state, so my vote didn't matter, and my district is a straight up RED state. Kevin McCarthy is my representative (one of the Repubs who has their name on the Republican answer to the Democratic spending bill)
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:51pm |
Frankly- I'm a little stunned after this last election that anyone would tell me to put my faith in elections to correct the issues in Washington. I believe we need something more to reign in spending and something more than elections because they are utterly ineffective.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:38:23pm |
re: #743 Hengineer
Well on the State level, sometimes it truly is a democracy, as there are public propositions that the people can directly vote on.
A majority of those involve the people voting directly on a self imposed tax.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:38:57pm |
re: #748 HoosierHoops
Hi WM! Hope today finds you well...30 minutes to go before I'll have a cold one and get ready for Basketball tonight..
It's March Madness..Do you know where your wife is?
She's in the living room watching Oprah I am embarrassed to say
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:39:30pm |
re: #730 Egregious Philbin
History will never remember the saga of the Vikings and Beekeepers.
Was that in the Elder or the Prose Edda?
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Lincolntf Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:08pm |
re: #716 Sharmuta
I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:20pm |
re: #754 jcm
A majority of those involve the people voting directly on a self imposed tax.
The ones that pissed me off were the people voting directly for bond measures for social welfare programs. California had a few that I voted no on.
One of them was a bond measure to help fund children's hospitals.
I voted no because California is already friggin insolvent and almost bankrupt. They don't need new bonds. If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:30pm |
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:42pm |
re: #753 WriterMom
What did that stein say anyway, something like "ha ha try and come and get me turn"?
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Shug Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:00pm |
re: #724 Nevergiveup
John Thompson-the "great" basketball expert- is on the Fan now with Mike. Expert my ass. He took a team to the Olympics without a guy who could shoot from the outside.
Call up and ask him how all the kids he had who never graduated are doing these days
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:01pm |
re: #748 HoosierHoops
March madness, I don't know too much about it.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:15pm |
re: #752 Sharmuta
How about the Supreme Court? The court system has been used by the lefties to push their agenda for more than 80 years. Or as I stated, the grassroots pathway. It doesn't necessarily cost a lot of money to go the grassroots route. Cesar Chavez lobbied quite effectively while representing one of the poorest demographics in America.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:41pm |
re: #757 Lincolntf
I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.
First, especially in MA, is we need people to run for them!
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:48pm |
re: #752 Sharmuta
People tell you that because it's really all we can do. Civil war and armed revolution are not acceptable solutions these days. Not anymore, and not yet, anyway. So people either have great faith that the system can be used by the good in order to effect change, so they tell you to trust that this will eventually happen, or they don't want to be banned and investigated for telling you what they really think, so they tell you to have faith in the broken system because that's really all they can do.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:52pm |
re: #757 Lincolntf
I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.
I want term limits even if there are Republicans in power. Power tends to corrupt and Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at what happened when the Repubs took back control of Congress AND when Bush was President. They pushed through more pork than when Clinton was president.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:00pm |
New York Governor David Paterson said next year’s record budget gap may be $3 billion greater than the $16.2 billion he announced earlier this week and hinted a tax increase on higher incomes is possible.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
No banking on getting re-elected are ya Dave?
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:10pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
You have summed it up nicely. Without trust maintained by action - it's a power grab.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:13pm |
re: #760 turn
Stein? Get you? Whachooo talkin bout, Willis?
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Egregious Philbin Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:15pm |
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Dianna Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:17pm |
re: #758 Hengineer
If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)
Correct. Every single Children's Hospital I'm aware of in California is 501(c) 3. More, most of them have foundations, and - if there's any question - if you donate to the foundation, it's definitely tax deductible.
Right now, anyway. Who knows, with Obama.
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Dianna Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:50pm |
re: #759 Sharmuta
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
A knife is never an empty threat. You just have to get close enough.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:06pm |
re: #759 Sharmuta
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Yep... that about sums it up.
Everyone expect the others to throw their bum out, while they keep theirs and wonder why nothing changes.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:28pm |
re: #772 Dianna
Correct. Every single Children's Hospital I'm aware of in California is 501(c) 3. More, most of them have foundations, and - if there's any question - if you donate to the foundation, it's definitely tax deductible.
Right now, anyway. Who knows, with Obama.
If I remember correctly that proposition passed. (its for the chiiildren)
Where is California now? Its so far in the red no other state in the red comes close to its negative numbers.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:33pm |
re: #766 Taqiyyotomist
Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.
Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?
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HoosierHoops Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:48pm |
re: #762 WriterMom
March madness, I don't know too much about it.
A little old thing about Basketball...Be well
Well I'm locking up and going home...See ya on the flip side Lizards!
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:01pm |
re: #752 Sharmuta
Don't make me ding you down Sharmuta. You don't sound quite like yourself today...
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:20pm |
re: #773 Dianna
A knife is never an empty threat. You just have to get close enough.
Her point is valid though, only true independents really scare Washington. Party liners don't and party liners is what Washington wants, as getting rid of one bozo brings in another bozo.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:29pm |
re: #775 Hengineer
OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:30pm |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.
Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?
It's the definition of time to have a drink and worry about it another day. Best I can do right now.
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jorline Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:35pm |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.
Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?
March Madness?
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:55pm |
re: #780 wrenchwench
You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:56pm |
[Link: www.chron.com...]
What is the bottom line? Did we win or lose? Neither. We got rid of the worst language, but a great deal of qualifying language remains. I am not going to claim either victory or defeat. I realize that Casey Luskin of Discovery Institute will declare complete, unqualified victory, but it is not that for them. Neither is it for us. The standards adopted were generally good, but there are several that are flawed, fortunately most in minor ways that textbook authors and publishers can deal with. I think we can work around the few flawed standards. But the point is that there shouldn't be ANY flawed standards. The science standards as submitted by the science writing teams were excellent and flaw-free. All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creatonism. This will be come apparent in 2011 when the Biology textbooks come up for adoption. Rule 3A and several other poor amendments in Biology--all the contribution of SBOE members who know nothing about science but a lot about pseudoscience--will be used to attack Biology textbooks. Gentle Readers, this is not the way to develop educational policy in one of the most wealthy and powerful states in the most wealthy and powerful country in the world in the 21st century. The process you just experienced, reading my live blog columns, was deplorable and should be deeply embarrassing to every Texas citizen.
I will write some more about the science standards later on the Texas Citizens for Science website. But for now, this live blog is finally ENDED.
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Dianna Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:10pm |
re: #775 Hengineer
If I remember correctly that proposition passed. (its for the chiiildren)
Where is California now? Its so far in the red no other state in the red comes close to its negative numbers.
What do we expect? People move here from other states, and they're not planning to stay.
As Island Libertarian is always saying, "Lefty wants free stuff."
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:18pm |
re: #778 buzzsawmonkey
"Democracy is the worst form of government ever. Except for anything else."
-Winston "You Da Man" Churchill
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:35pm |
re: #782 WriterMom
OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...
A few of those measures sounded good that I voted on, but I voted all of them no. Because they were all bond measures.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:35pm |
Iran and Nato end 30-year impasse
An Iranian diplomat has held informal talks with Nato officials for for the first time in 30 years.Senior Nato negotiator Martin Erdmann said he had met Iran's ambassador to the European Union, Ali-Asghar Khaji, more than two weeks ago.
"This is another good step in engaging Iran in the international community," said Mr Erdmann. "I am sure there will be follow-up meetings."
And the centrifuges spin...
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:45pm |
re: #778 buzzsawmonkey
We lost this time because the electorate is ignorant.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:49pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
Citizens should be free to choose their service.
I love the idea of national service, we have it right now. The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines, Peace Corps, Catholic Charities, LDS Social Services, Jewish American Charities, Boys Town, The Humane Society, Habitat For Humanity, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, The United Negro College Fund, Alpha Phi Omega...
I don't like the idea that a government panel could empower a bureucracy to decide which service gives credits towards a mandatory service credit and which type doesn't.
Let volunteerism be voluntary and government be minimal.
...and to reiterate I do understand that this is only a proposal to empower a study. I just wish they would drop the mandatory language and the social fabric stuff. I can't see attempts to legislate diversity and charity ending in anything but a SNAFU.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:04pm |
Stealthily she climbs through the open thread, wending her way past needles and knots of glistening lizard scales. Through the Kosh Shadows and around the buzzsawmonkeys she stalks. She must beware the cluebyfour which reaches out to those less wary. Are there zombies on this open thread? Will a JCM fly through the airwaves to explode in front of her?
She looks abover her head and sees the lawhawk wheeling against the smurfy sky.
She backs out of the open thread and resumes her work.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:17pm |
re: #778 buzzsawmonkey
And there was this little fraud thing, too. We did not or could not effectively watch the pollworkers, a great majority of whom are Democrats wherever you go, blue or red state. How do you watch pollworkers who handle absentee ballots? Fraud is one of the three legs on the Democrat stool. And i DO mean stool.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:21pm |
re: #758 Hengineer
The ones that pissed me off were the people voting directly for bond measures for social welfare programs. California had a few that I voted no on.
One of them was a bond measure to help fund children's hospitals.I voted no because California is already friggin insolvent and almost bankrupt. They don't need new bonds. If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)
Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:34pm |
re: #679 Sharmuta
You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.
I hope this is only your frustration, which I share, and not something you are seriosuly considering. Because if you don't vote then truly everything is lost.
Not preaching, just trying to say I understand how you feel but we can't give up. If nothing else, vote to spite the bastards.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:37pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
Getting permission from the govt for voting or public employment sounds like a recipe for corruption. It's just another power to cede to bureaucrats. No thanks.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:48pm |
re: #792 DaddyG
It can only be called volunteering if people volunteer. Otherwise it's VOLUNTOLD or national service, or mandatory service or whatever else ya want to call it.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:21pm |
re: #785 Sharmuta
You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?
They can be and they will be. Your vote counts. The effectiveness varies, the results vary; this time we got something very different, and next time it will swing the other way.
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Dianna Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:24pm |
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:25pm |
re: #792 DaddyG
Citizens should be free to choose their service.
I love the idea of national service, we have it right now. The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines, Peace Corps, Catholic Charities, LDS Social Services, Jewish American Charities, Boys Town, The Humane Society, Habitat For Humanity, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, The United Negro College Fund, Alpha Phi Omega...
I don't like the idea that a government panel could empower a bureucracy to decide which service gives credits towards a mandatory service credit and which type doesn't.
Let volunteerism be voluntary and government be minimal.
...and to reiterate I do understand that this is only a proposal to empower a study. I just wish they would drop the mandatory language and the social fabric stuff. I can't see attempts to legislate diversity and charity ending in anything but a SNAFU.
Uh-oh. Boy Scouts, they don't allow gays.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:29pm |
re: #748 HoosierHoops
Hi WM! Hope today finds you well...30 minutes to go before I'll have a cold one and get ready for Basketball tonight..
It's March Madness..Do you know where your wife is?
duke lost. My dreams have gone up in smoke.
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Engnrman Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:46pm |
I have been canvassing my mind to find sailing terms unbroached and finally find the whole thing rudderly ridiculous and conclude that we are all going to hull. but, perhaps I am too stern? I bow my head in shame, shrouded in guilt. Yet, I will stay awhile and scope it all out. At the bitter end there may still be a chance to beam myself out. Or maybe my latitude will improve. Yes, I believe I could use a lift! Wouldn't that be sheer joy?
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:54pm |
re: #759 Sharmuta
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
That's because why everyone wants to throw the bums out, the bums are always the representatives from the other districts.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:14pm |
re: #736 Sharmuta
Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?
Because it is one of many, and without it, the many is diminished.
I live in CA, where my Presidential Vote has been overwhelmed for quite a while, but I still vote. One day it will be on the winning side again, as long as I and everyone else that votes as I do, keep at it. Apathy and indolence is not the path to attaining ones goals.
I didn't raise my hand twice to defend the Constitution to ignore my responsibilities when an election comes around.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:14pm |
re: #802 wrenchwench
They can be and they will be. Your vote counts. The effectiveness varies, the results vary; this time we got something very different, and next time it will swing the other way.
What makes you think putting the republicans back in power will guarantee fiscal responsibility?
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:31pm |
re: #797 turn
Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?
And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.
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JimmyTheClaw Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:31pm |
A man had just settled into his seat next to the window on the plane
when another man sits down in the aisle seat and puts his black Labrador
in the middle seat next to the man.
The first man looks very quizzically at the dog and asks why the dog is
allowed on the plane ?
The second man explains that he is a Drug Enforcement Agency officer
and the dog is a 'Sniffer dog'. 'His name is Smithy and he's the best there is.
I'll show you once we get airborne, when I put him to work.'
The plane takes off, and once it has levelled out, the agent says:
Watch this.' He tells Smithy to 'search'.
Smithy jumps down, walks along the aisle, and finally sits very
purposefully next to a woman for several seconds.
Smithy then returns to his seat and puts one paw on the agent's arm.
The agent says, 'Good boy', and he turns to the man and says:
'That woman is in possession of marijuana, so I'm making a note of her
seat number and the authorities will apprehend her when we land.'
'Say, that's pretty neat,' replies the first man.
Once again, the agent sends Smithy to search the aisles.
The Lab sniffs about, sits down beside a man for a few seconds,
returns to his seat and this time, he places TWO paws on the agent's
arm.
The agent says, 'That man is carrying cocaine, so again, I'm making
note of his seat number for the police.'
'I like it!' says his seat mate.
The agent then tells Smithy to 'search' again.
Smithy walks up and down the aisles for a little while, sits down for a
moment and then comes racing back to the agent, jumps into the
middle seat and proceeds to shit all over the place.
The first man is really amazed by this behaviour and can't figure
out how or why a well-trained dog would behave like this,
so he asks the agent 'What's going on?'
The agent nervously replies,
'He just found a bomb !'
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Lincolntf Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:41pm |
re: #764 Kosh's Shadow
Exactly. Whose fault is it that Jim "Fidel" McGovern is in Congress? Mine, because I was unable to convince enough people to vote against the slobbering fraud. The fact that it was a fool's errand and that the unions and built in prejudices against Republicans were insurmountable is no excuse.
Republicans just have to try harder and stop buying into the "Let's go after the Oprah vote" goose chases. The only way Conservatives can win is by offering a stark alternative to the countless failures of Liberals.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:00pm |
re: #807 Engnrman
I have been canvassing my mind to find sailing terms unbroached and finally find the whole thing rudderly ridiculous and conclude that we are all going to hull. but, perhaps I am too stern? I bow my head in shame, shrouded in guilt. Yet, I will stay awhile and scope it all out. At the bitter end there may still be a chance to beam myself out. Or maybe my latitude will improve. Yes, I believe I could use a lift! Wouldn't that be sheer joy?
Sail ahoy!
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:01pm |
re: #785 Sharmuta
You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?
We The People...
Get what we voted for.
Politicians are bribing the people with the public purse, and the people have forgotten what we are about.
The problem is more profound than an out of control budget. We The People are forgetting who we are.
We need to correct that.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:11pm |
re: #805 Eowyn2
duke lost. My dreams have gone up in smoke.
Root for my team, its just a tad down the road--UNC
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:17pm |
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:27pm |
re: #813 Hengineer
I agree. If it's so great, how come private companies aren't clamouring for a piece of the action..but this is too heavy a topic for COUNTDOWN time...
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:38pm |
re: #782 WriterMom
OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...
Well when the pop them out at the rate of eight at time it makes a lot of sense.
/
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vagabond trader Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:46pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
My thoughts as well.This administration has given us enough hints that they will use any device to promote its far left agenda. Kids are already bombarded with the cult of PCism and all its satellites. This "service" may not be mandatory,though it will hardly matter since they will have a captive, impressionable audience from K-12th grade,cajoled by Obama supporting union members.The fact that this supposedly innocuous bill is being bum rushed through during an economic meltdown should also set off warning bells.
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UncleRancher Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:54pm |
re: #741 Kosh's Shadow
Right... Here's my plan for restructuring government. Throw them ALL out and start over. All administration and legislative branches: complete re-do. The few goodn's we have in there can take another turn later, but right now it's time for a real change we can believe in.
Whadaya think?
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Killer Tomato Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:00pm |
re: #792 DaddyG
The problem is that as always, they start from the presumption that left to our own devices, we won't behave correctly. We can't be trusted to do the right thing. We need to be directed, steered, told what to do because we're just too stupid to make the decisions they want us to.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:51pm |
re: #825 gmsc
Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.
Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:53pm |
Elections are not an effective means by which to control congressional spending. If they were, we wouldn't have these deficits. They do not fear us, and we do not follow through with our threats to remove them. So we either force their hand and make them balance the budget, or we accept this utterly broken system as it stands now and Hope™ that it gets better. I have no Hope™.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:04pm |
re: #801 WriterMom
FUNNNEEE
She gazes at the map written by her mom, the lines converge and the thread goes on.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:10pm |
Anyone get the impression that Drudge takes Friday afternoons off until about 5:30 PM EST?
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lifeofthemind Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:12pm |
re: #689 Bobibutu
Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.
As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deathsAre you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)
Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percentMany members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percentSurprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.
The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:[Link: www.fas.org...]
Excellent post, now you need to adjust for the changing size of the armed forces. How do these numbers reflect improvements in medical care over time? What is the loss rate per capita? What are the combat and accidental injury rates? Are non-combat deaths declining at a faster rate or slower than civilian fatalities? The second most dangerous thing any 19 year old can be around is a vehicle, the numbers need to consider such factors. Keep up the good work, we look forward to seeing your second draft. OK sarc there
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:14pm |
re: #811 Sharmuta
What makes you think putting the republicans back in power will guarantee fiscal responsibility?
There are no guarantees. As Mandy said, it's like potty training. There is backsliding. There is progress.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:21pm |
What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:23pm |
re: #821 WriterMom
I agree. If it's so great, how come private companies aren't clamouring for a piece of the action..but this is too heavy a topic for COUNTDOWN time...
But what pissed me off is that they kept saying that fetal stem cell research was BANNED.
NO YOU'RE WRONG DIPFUCKINGSHIT (sorry)
Federal Funds were banned from going to fetal stem cell research. If you want to fund that research yourself, nobody was stopping you!
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:23pm |
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gmsc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:52pm |
re: #828 WriterMom
Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.
Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.
Thank goodness – I was trying to figure out the connection to my bankruptcy reply. I thought maybe I was having a blond moment.
;)
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OldLineTexan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:01pm |
re: #759 Sharmuta
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Better bring the knife, anyway. Hillary is back to gun-banning to save the Mexicans from drug cartel violence.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:09pm |
re: #817 jcm
Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:28pm |
re: #831 Noam Chumpski
Anyone get the impression that Drudge takes Friday afternoons off until about 5:30 PM EST?
Personally I think he has taken off since he broke the BJ story.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:29pm |
re: #804 Hengineer
If I recall my boyscout manual. I think the boy scouts themselves were not questioned but the scout masters had to hetro.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:04pm |
re: #829 Sharmuta
Elections are not an effective means by which to control congressional spending. If they were, we wouldn't have these deficits. They do not fear us, and we do not follow through with our threats to remove them. So we either force their hand and make them balance the budget, or we accept this utterly broken system as it stands now and Hope™ that it gets better. I have no Hope™.
Because none of the candidates ever talk about curbing spending.
Ever. How can you vote for someone who will vote against every proposal to spend (except the necessary ones, sorry Luap Nor!)
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:10pm |
re: #833 wrenchwench
There are no guarantees. As Mandy said, it's like potty training. There is backsliding. There is progress.
So- I should just keep banging my head against a brick wall?
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gmsc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:15pm |
re: #836 Bobibutu
Hey! Yosemite has a positive cash flow.
Would that be Yosemite State Park or Yosemite National Park?
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:43pm |
re: #819 Nevergiveup
Root for my team, its just a tad down the road--UNC
I have to go with uconn, thats whom I had playing the final against duke.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:03pm |
re: #826 Killer Tomato You hit the nail on the head. The reality is that Americans are the biggest charitable givers in the world both privately and publicly.
We don't need the elites deciding they can do a better job managing our volunteer labor or charitable giving for us than we can do ourselves.
They are doing a swell enough job screwing up the things they already have power over.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:04pm |
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:04pm |
#791 Sharmuta
We lost this time because the electorate is ignorant.
We lose every election where I live because once the dems got into power, they gerrymandered every single conservative district into a blue district. Voting is a joke where I live, but we vote anyway.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:19pm |
re: #839 Sharmuta
Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.
If nothing else, the ChiComs will ensure fiscal responsibility to protect the value of their investments.
/stolen from Rush
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:26pm |
re: #842 Hengineer
Because none of the candidates ever talk about curbing spending.
Ever. How can you vote for someone who will vote against every proposal to spend (except the necessary ones, sorry Luap Nor!)
It's not going to change unless we make them. And I guess my idea is pretty unpopular. So I will continue to feel fucked and hopeless.
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Gearhead Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:35pm |
re: #834 ConservatismNow!
What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.
I like it, but the National Endowment for the Arts would never stand for it.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:38pm |
Knife fights! Taxes! Obama! Stem cell research! Politicians spending like drunken sailors!
I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE!
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Killian Bundy Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:49pm |
re: #813 Hengineer
And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.
Skin to Stem Cell Breakthrough Promises Health Care Revolution
Discovered by the Japanese scientist Shinya Yamanaka, the method creates stem cells without using and destroying human embryos. By studying cells created from people with inherited disorders, scientists are observing, in ways never before possible, how diseases progress and react to treatments, said Doug Melton, a Harvard University researcher.
“This is the breakthrough the stem-cell field has been waiting for,” said Beth Seidenberg, a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the Menlo Park, California-based venture-capital firm that helped start Google Inc.
Unlike embryonic cells, the cells created using the Yamanaka method opened a path to test drugs for genetic diseases, Seidenberg said.
/who needs embryonic stem cells anyway?
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:16pm |
re: #813 Hengineer
And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.
Exactly, yet the idiots were too ignorant to listen. Most of the support for the measure came from voters that were only interested in bashing Bush IMO. I was kind of serious about wondering where the money is going. I'll have to check on that some day.
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Lincolntf Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:25pm |
re: #767 Hengineer
Term limits are a way for the "Gubmint" to tell you who you can and cannot vote for, regardless of the Constitution.
I alternately laughed and cried at the stupidity of the people who continually elected Ted Kennedy, but Ted Kennedy is exactly who they wanted representing them. I would never attempt to deny them that inalienable right.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:31pm |
re: #759 Sharmuta
So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Has anyone mentioned the Line Item Veto? Works best when you have an opposition party in the WH, rather than the perfect storm we have now, but even in those conditions, you DO have accountability.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:34pm |
re: #848 Hengineer
I fucking hate that idiot fake "doctor" asshole.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:36pm |
re: #853 Sharmuta
It's not going to change unless we make them. And I guess my idea is pretty unpopular. So I will continue to feel fucked and hopeless.
We all are.
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Salamantis Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:52pm |
re: #736 Sharmuta
Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?
It matters at precisely the time you think that it might not.
I live in Florida. Dubya won over Gore by a 537 vote margin in my state, and we put him over the top in the presidential electoral vote count.
I was one of those 537.
Had I and 537 other Dubya-voters decided to stay home that day, we would have had to face 9-11 with ManBearPig at the helm.
[pauses to shudder]
NEVER tell me your vote doesn't matter. EVERY vote matters, because every vote contributes to the winning majority, and every vote not cast doesn't.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:56pm |
re: #834 ConservatismNow!
What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.
They won't even allow you to put your Soc. Sec. contribution in an untouchable acct with your name on it... :)
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:59pm |
re: #834 ConservatismNow!
What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.
I already control where much of my tax money is spent by giving it to charitable organizations, taking the deduction and keeping it out of the hands of some bureaucrat in Washington DC. This is yet another option the current administration is exploring taking away from us.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:13pm |
re: #843 Sharmuta
So- I should just keep banging my head against a brick wall?
No, you should absolutely stop that. Make a cup of coffee, read some Thomas Sowell or something, and get back the positive, hard-working attitude you usually have.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:35pm |
re: #846 Eowyn2
I have to go with uconn, thats whom I had playing the final against duke.
It's the smart move and Tessio was always smarter...but UNC is still ACC?
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gmsc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:26pm |
Via the blogfather:
HMM: Freddie Mac’s Duel With Regulator: Does It Report Government’s Role in Its Losses?
That would spoil the narrative. But somebody should ask Rahm Emanuel about this . . . Here’s a choice bit, though:
When Freddie Mac’s executives concluded a few weeks ago that they had to disclose that the government’s management of the McLean company was undermining its profitability and would cost it tens of billions of dollars, the firm’s regulator urged it not to do so, according to several sources familiar with the matter.
Freddie Mac executives refused to bend. The clash grew so severe that they threatened to go to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which oversees corporate disclosures, to secure a ruling that the regulator’s request was out of line. The company’s regulator backed down, the sources said.
Remember, when a private company wants to cover up billions in losses and the responsibility for them, that’s a major scandal and proof of the evils of capitalism. But when a government regulator does the same thing, that’s just how people are, these things happen, whaddyagonnado? Plus, more evidence that the country’s in the very best of hands:
After the companies were taken over, investors around the world who buy the companies’ debt and mortgage investments weren’t willing to pay top dollar, reflecting doubts about whether the U.S. government would stand behind the firms if they faltered further. As a result, mortgage rates initially rose, further depressing house prices, contrary to what the government intended when it took over the firms.
Then, earlier this month Freddie Mac lost its chief executive, longtime banker David Moffett, who joined the company at the government’s behest in September. He clashed with government regulators who pushed him to take steps that would forgo revenue opportunities. Freddie Mac is now looking for a new chief executive, chief operating officer and chief financial officer — and having trouble finding them.
Gee, why would a business that the government has taken over and mismanaged have trouble recruiting
fall guyssenior executives in this political climate?
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:47pm |
re: #839 Sharmuta
Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.
I hear you, no doubt. But the very congress we have to stop, has to approve a balanced budget amendment.
The Obama / Reid / Pelosi triumvirate won't go for it.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:53pm |
re: #854 Gearhead
I like it, but the National Endowment for the Arts would never stand for it.
I was about to say "But some states have citizens who would put all their money towards the Arts."
But then I realized that those people don't pay taxes.
But then I realized that those same people would go out an get jobs in order to pay taxes towards the Arts.
It's a win.
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:08pm |
This gives me hope:
Pelosi, Reid negatives skyrocket. This will help keep blue dogs on the fence.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
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Lee Coller Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:17pm |
re: #689 Bobibutu
Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.
As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deathsAre you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)
Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percentMany members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percentSurprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.
The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:[Link: www.fas.org...]
Those numbers quoted don't line up with the data from the link provided. For example, in 2006 there were 1,875 active military deaths, not the 920 quoted above.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:22pm |
re: #876 buzzsawmonkey
It's countdown to Shabbes...you're on shpilkes...
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gmsc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:41pm |
re: #828 WriterMom
Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.
Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.
Just to mess with your mind again:
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:16pm |
re: #867 wrenchwench
No, you should absolutely stop that. Make a cup of coffee, read some Thomas Sowell or something, and get back the positive, hard-working attitude you usually have.
My positive, hard working attitude reminded me of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and it's not good enough apparently. I'm supposed to continue to have faith in an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. I reject that idea, but you're all telling me I'm off my rocker because I don't trust my fellow voters. Please help me. Show me why I should have faith in my fellow voters to do the right thing and vote these assholes out of office and that new members will be responsible with our money. Please.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:20pm |
re: #796 Taqiyyotomist
And there was this little fraud thing, too. We did not or could not effectively watch the pollworkers, a great majority of whom are Democrats wherever you go, blue or red state. How do you watch pollworkers who handle absentee ballots? Fraud is one of the three legs on the Democrat stool. And i DO mean stool.
I agree and I think ensuring the integrity of our elections needs to be a top priority. I have lost faith because of the naked and blatant fraud that's being perpetrated on the part of Democrats.
This type of fraud should be punished in the harshest manner. What cna be any worse than stealing the people's right to their own self determination.
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DaddyG Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:28pm |
re: #876 buzzsawmonkey
PIMF "one" = "won." What the hell is wrong with me?
Do you want us to make a list?
//
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:37pm |
re: #812 Taqiyyotomist
the turning thread is getting complex, she must taqiyhertime throught the mist.
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:07pm |
Wish we could go back to the early days and whenever tax hikes are on the ballot or bond issues, only property owners can vote.
And that would go over about as long as it takes to blink.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:11pm |
re: #877 jcm
I hear you, no doubt. But the very congress we have to stop, has to approve a balanced budget amendment.
The Obama / Reid / Pelosi
triumviratetrifectatridenttrinity won't go for it.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:21pm |
re: #868 buzzsawmonkey
Line item veto = Presidential dictatorship.
I've always been pro-line item, but something about this post has me sitting and thinking. It's a certain angle when taken together with the separations of power that I hadn't considered.
Remember when Clinton used it that one time?
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:45pm |
re: #847 buzzsawmonkey
One of the Lizards said she worked the polls and said she saw "Just about everything" regarding Dem fraud you could possibly witness. Multiply that by every single polling place in the country. Cloward-Piven is like the hacker's DDOS attack - it's all about overload. They basically said to their loyal Party workers, go all out, perform so much fraud that the nation cannot possibly even organize and collate the evidence in any timely manner. Add that to the fact that any fraud that was caught or even being investigated seldom made it to the pages and tv screens of Big News.
I said it in 2000 and again in 04. Florida's hanging-chad fiasco was merely a one-state preparation for what they did in 50 states in 08. Ohio had the same "training session" in 2004. They went nationwide in 08, with great success.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:49pm |
re: #877 jcm
No- the GOP runs on this issue like in 1994 and we take back Congress and pass this puppy. Any GOP that doesn't want to support fiscal responsibility should not get any decent, American loving conservative's vote.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:58pm |
re: #845 gmsc
Would that be Yosemite State Park or Yosemite National Park?
Touche! And I was really referring to all the businesses that operate in and around it.
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WriterMom Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:07pm |
Well, I'm outa here.
Ciao for now and Shabbat Shalom to the Joooish lizardim.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:13pm |
re: #890 Noam Chumpski
I've always been pro-line item, but something about this post has me sitting and thinking. It's a certain angle when taken together with the separations of power that I hadn't considered.
Remember when Clinton used it that one time?
Remember the Supreme Court did declare it Unconstitutional.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a Presidential Dictatorship, but more of a Political Party Oligarchy.
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Learned Mother of Zion Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:30pm |
re: #878 ConservatismNow!
I was about to say "But some states have citizens who would put all their money towards the Arts."
But then I realized that those people don't pay taxes.
But then I realized that those same people would go out an get jobs in order to pay taxes towards the Arts.
It's a win.
Huh?
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:35pm |
Has anyone seen this video yet?
(I recommend it...)
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:39pm |
re: #824 UncleRancher
Right... Here's my plan for restructuring government. Throw them ALL out and start over. All administration and legislative branches: complete re-do. The few goodn's we have in there can take another turn later, but right now it's time for a real change we can believe in.
Whadaya think?
We need to include many of the bureaucrats, too, especially the State Department.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:47pm |
re: #896 WriterMom
Well, I'm outa here.
Ciao for now and Shabbat Shalom to the Joooish lizardim.
Laidher!
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gmsc Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:00pm |
re: #891 WriterMom
Nice stripping.
I'd hate to see the look when people read your comment about stripping, and then go back and view the video.
;)
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:05pm |
re: #888 ladycatnip
Wish we could go back to the early days and whenever tax hikes are on the ballot or bond issues, only property owners can vote.
And that would go over about as long as it takes to blink.
God, I have spoken on this many times. I find that "property owners" are all for it. Go figure. I would be all for raising the voting age back to 21.
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:24pm |
re: #898 taxfreekiller
Why should I trust my fellow voters when they're the ones who gave us this mess?
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:27pm |
re: #655 KingKenrod
It's amazing what a barefoot girl in the corner (with a bunch of electronics) can do!
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:29pm |
re: #901 Kosh's Shadow
We need to include many of the bureaucrats, too, especially the State Department.
ALL departments.
too many beauracrats whose only job is to get an assistant to blame everything on so that they never get fired (and their "empires" are larger)
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:46pm |
re: #876 buzzsawmonkey
PIMF "one" = "won." What the hell is wrong with me?
You caught what I have ..
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:26pm |
re: #862 Salamantis
It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.
Really hard to see.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:29pm |
Good afternoon everyone! Way off any topic,
This is one of my favorite times of the year, because the whales are back.
You know it is spring here when the North Atlantic Right Whales head to Cape Cod Bay to feed. We have record numbers this year, and the local paper has some great aerial shots of them. Unless you have seen one of these incredible creatures in person, it is hard to visualize how enormous and graceful they are, and it has always been a great experience going out to see them close up every chance I get. Thought I would share.
There is a link at the bottom of the story to get to the pics.
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]
AID=/20090327/NEWS11/90327022
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:45pm |
re: #905 Sharmuta
Why should I trust my fellow voters when they're the ones who gave us this mess?
Sharm my dear, I've been in your camp before.
The problem is that it just devolves almost into madness and despair.
You have to have some sort of hope, otherwise there well and truly IS no point.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:59pm |
re: #868 buzzsawmonkey
Line item veto = Presidential dictatorship.
Not necessarily. You have a public document with a spotlight on what was either passed or vetoed. It's not as amorphous as just signing a huge bill or not signing. It's open to less interpretation. If a President vetos a particular item, you know that President's position on it. It brings clarity and less room for the "awe, shucks I signed because of the good things in the bill" approach of the Bush years, or the clarity that would come, say, from Obama vetoing spending limitations or military funding.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:25pm |
The voting citizens of this country are masochistic.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:26pm |
re: #910 Taqiyyotomist
It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.
Really hard to see.
You tell me, I have to vote absentee 9 times out of 10.
The Al Franken bullshit just pisses me off.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:32pm |
re: #904 Noam Chumpski
I'm not a property owner, and I'm all for it.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:07pm |
re: #897 Hengineer
Remember the Supreme Court did declare it Unconstitutional.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a Presidential Dictatorship, but more of a Political Party Oligarchy.
Yes, which is why he only got one shot at it.
I don't think that it ever occurred to me that you (as President) are wielding too much specific power over the Legislative Branch. A full veto, that's one thing, but line-by-line... It is in the direction of dictatorial.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:31pm |
re: #899 Alouette
Starving artists, Alouette. See my #834
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:33pm |
The line item veto was declared unconstitutional. A better mechanism for controling spending would be a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Or elections [eye roll].
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Russkilitlover Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:46pm |
re: #884 Sharmuta
My positive, hard working attitude reminded me of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and it's not good enough apparently. I'm supposed to continue to have faith in an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. I reject that idea, but you're all telling me I'm off my rocker because I don't trust my fellow voters. Please help me. Show me why I should have faith in my fellow voters to do the right thing and vote these assholes out of office and that new members will be responsible with our money. Please.
Because giving up should not be an option.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:50pm |
re: #913 Russkilitlover
Not necessarily. You have a public document with a spotlight on what was either passed or vetoed. It's not as amorphous as just signing a huge bill or not signing. It's open to less interpretation. If a President vetos a particular item, you know that President's position on it. It brings clarity and less room for the "awe, shucks I signed because of the good things in the bill" approach of the Bush years, or the clarity that would come, say, from Obama vetoing spending limitations or military funding.
Imagine if we had line item vetos now.
Imagine if a Democrat and a Republican actually work together on something, a tit-for-tat bill that overall ain't a horrible thing.
Obama comes along and decides the Republican part of the bill just needs to go, but the Democrat item can be passed along.
Now tell me if its worth it.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:06pm |
re: #919 Sharmuta
The line item veto was declared unconstitutional. A better mechanism for controling spending would be a Balanced Budget Amendment.
Or elections [eye roll].
Or [deleted].
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:09pm |
This link works. The story is at the very top.
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]
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NYCHardhat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:23pm |
Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:42pm |
re: #894 Sharmuta
No- the GOP runs on this issue like in 1994 and we take back Congress and pass this puppy. Any GOP that doesn't want to support fiscal responsibility should not get any decent, American loving conservative's vote.
DING!
Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.
1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:50pm |
re: #925 NYCHardhat
Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.
What government?
/s
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:58pm |
re: #920 Russkilitlover
Because giving up should not be an option.
But that is basically what I'm being told with this notion that elections control congressional spending. They don't and that's a fact.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:00pm |
re: #916 Taqiyyotomist
I'm not a property owner, and I'm all for it.
Same here, but I was trying to be funny. :)
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Sharmuta Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:43pm |
re: #926 jcm
DING!
Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.
1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.
NOW you're starting to get the method of my madness! Break though- thank you merciful God!
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:45pm |
re: #930 Noam Chumpski
Same here, but I was trying to be funny. :)
Considering the "broad" definition of property, almost anybody can be considered a property owner.
and with things like Eminent domain, do we TRULY own the land?
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:07pm |
re: #931 Sharmuta
NOW you're starting to get the method of my madness! Break though- thank you merciful God!
She's smiling, she's really smiling
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:10pm |
re: #904 Noam Chumpski
God, I have spoken on this many times. I find that "property owners" are all for it. Go figure. I would be all for raising the voting age back to 21.
There is just about zero difference mentally and emotionally between 18 and 21 year olds in America now, unless those 21 year olds have been in the military for 3 years. If you want to get empty-headed kids out of the voting booth you'd have to raise the voting age up to somewhere between 28-32.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:11pm |
re: #797 turn
Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?
The initiative process is killing CA. As good as it is in getting issues to the electorate, it is just as easily abused. Every single election there is a list of propositions that promise the world but don't say how they will be funded. Mixed in with those are propositions that lock in a specific amount, or establish a specific tax, for the funding. Mandated funding in these initiatives has made the CA budget process truly labyrinthine. Several years ago I saw a fact sheet that said something like two-thirds of the budget was imposed by law and could not be adjusted without legislation. Combine that with powerful special interests that jealously safeguard their little pieces of the budget that might be subject to cuts, and you get what we have now. It is the very definition of fiscal insanity.
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NYCHardhat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:25pm |
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:29pm |
My idea: If you pay more in taxes than you receive in tax rebates, you can vote.
I wouldn't be able to vote, under my plan. But this isn't about me.
:)
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:02pm |
re: #910 Taqiyyotomist
It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.
Really hard to see.
WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.
King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:03pm |
re: #932 Hengineer
Considering the "broad" definition of property, almost anybody can be considered a property owner.
and with things like Eminent domain, do we TRULY own the land?
What if it is defined as specifically paying property taxes to the government on land that you hold title to?
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:31pm |
re: #937 Taqiyyotomist
My idea: If you pay more in taxes than you receive in tax rebates, you can vote.
I wouldn't be able to vote, under my plan. But this isn't about me.
:)
If you are a PAYING TAXPAYER, you can vote.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:43pm |
re: #934 ArchangelMichael
There is just about zero difference mentally and emotionally between 18 and 21 year olds in America now, unless those 21 year olds have been in the military for 3 years. If you want to get empty-headed kids out of the voting booth you'd have to raise the voting age up to somewhere between 28-32.
I don't disagree with you at all, I guess I'm just shooting low today.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:54pm |
re: #940 Noam Chumpski
What if it is defined as specifically paying property taxes to the government on land that you hold title to?
Well there you go
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NYCHardhat Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:56pm |
re: #926 jcm
DING!
Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.
1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.
I'm down. Now we need the "Gingrich".
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:04pm |
re: #939 jcm
Oh, I know all about that fiasco. I wasn't even touching the local and state frauds.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:29pm |
re: #939 jcm
WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.
I loved that, the Democrats kept recounting until the Democrats won.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:44pm |
re: #925 NYCHardhat
Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.
Add alitttle scotch. it will get ya there faster.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:55pm |
re: #881 Lee Coller
Those numbers quoted don't line up with the data from the link provided. For example, in 2006 there were 1,875 active military deaths, not the 920 quoted above.
Thank you.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:27pm |
re: #949 Nevergiveup
Add alitttle scotch. it will get ya there faster.
A Little scotch?
beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.
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Hengineer Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:59pm |
re: #951 Hengineer
A Little scotch?
beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.
And yes, scotch is a whiskey
/need I say the obvious?
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Russkilitlover Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:05pm |
re: #921 Hengineer
Imagine if we had line item vetos now.
Imagine if a Democrat and a Republican actually work together on something, a tit-for-tat bill that overall ain't a horrible thing.
Obama comes along and decides the Republican part of the bill just needs to go, but the Democrat item can be passed along.
Now tell me if its worth it.
That's happening now. But now, you can have President Teleprompter use his bully pulpit to blow sunshine up everyone's ass. If the people saw your scenario enacted over and over, and it created positions for Republicans, I think the message would come into sharper focus and some - even in the MSM - just MIGHT start asking the right questions.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:14pm |
re: #951 Hengineer
A Little scotch?
beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.
Then who drinks the triple skim half-caffe mocha latte?
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:17pm |
re: #951 Hengineer
A Little scotch?
beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.
No, real men drink gasoline straight from the tank and then light it when they pee, but I'm not going to be too hard on you for not knowing that.
/
Is it Friday yet?
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:32pm |
#939 jcm
WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.
This goes to one of my favorite Joseph Stalin quotes:
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
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KenJen Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:42pm |
Im going on a date with my ex-boyfriend tonite. We havent dated in 8 years. Our last date he told me at dinner that he wanted to break up. The restaurant was a 10 min walk from my house so I slipped out the back after excusing myself to use the restroom. He sat there for a good 45 mins. before realizing I was gone. Why am I doing this to myself? Someone stop me.
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turn Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:22pm |
re: #935 CyanSnowHawk
Yes, it's unsustainable as we're now beginning to experience. FWIW, I vote no on just about everything and encourage the whole family to too. Unless it's one of those trick measures where a "yes" really means a "no". The high speed train was yet another measure where things just didn't add up for turn.
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Dustyvet Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:18:02pm |
re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat
To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.
Throws 2 by 4 into freezer, I'll be back later so I can shiver my timber...:)
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:17pm |
re: #939 jcm
WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.
Why wasn't this challenged in court. Was it Rossi that decided not to?
I know if it was the other way around, a Democrat would have litigated the issue to the gates of hell...
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:01pm |
If the Democrats were in a boat with us, and the boat suddenly popped a quarter-size hole in the bottom, their leaders would get up and begin drilling another hole, even bigger. When we complained about this obvious idiocy, their supporters in the boat would say to us, "Well, at least they're doing something!"
Just a thought.
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Taqiyyotomist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:22pm |
re: #961 LGoPs
It costs money to challenge things in court. Democrats from top to bottom have the unlimited funds available to them from Soros and a hundred "organizations" in order to pursue litigation to the gates of hell. It really is all about money. And the Republicans are certainly not the Party of the Rich.
Democrats are currently using this bit of knowlege to try and bankrupt Sarah Palin with a slew of ethics lawsuits. She already owes upwards of $400,000 in legal bills. And she doesn't have Soros' Carte Blanche.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:03pm |
re: #954 taxfreekiller
The Do Not Honor Murtha petition is running about 2 seconds for each new signature.
While not a petition, one can vote in a poll here: [Link: www.military.com...]
Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?
Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.
No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.
Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:06pm |
re: #956 Noam Chumpski
No, real men drink gasoline straight from the tank and then light it when they pee, but I'm not going to be too hard on you for not knowing that.
/
Is it Friday yet?
Watched "Top Secret" recently?
(One of the French Resistance members, a big black guy named "Chocolate Moose", drinks gasoline in the movie, but he spits to get the explosions.)
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:14pm |
re: #790 jcm
Iran and Nato end 30-year impasse
And the centrifuges spin...
That has to be the fastest the EU has moved on anything, period. I'd sure like to know who on the Euro's side came-up with this brilliant idea.
It both sells out Israel and protects the Mullah's - we(THE US and nato) just have to have that transport route through Iran into Afghanistan.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:26:34pm |
re: #965 Kosh's Shadow
Watched "Top Secret" recently?
(One of the French Resistance members, a big black guy named "Chocolate Moose", drinks gasoline in the movie, but he spits to get the explosions.)
No, but - wow - thanks for reminding me. I will soon.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:30:46pm |
Back in she creeps. Observing the free killer is on the loose, she hugs the walls. She will nevergiveup her quest, she must find the hengineer to make sure her quest is Sharm-less, she need not pluck the skylark, the codfish can stay safe in the cape. the Hengineer has suggested a hardhat from NYC. Where will she find the bastard who stole her vegetables and killered her tomatoes.
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LGoPs Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:10pm |
re: #963 Taqiyyotomist
It costs money to challenge things in court. Democrats from top to bottom have the unlimited funds available to them from Soros and a hundred "organizations" in order to pursue litigation to the gates of hell. It really is all about money. And the Republicans are certainly not the Party of the Rich.
Democrats are currently using this bit of knowlege to try and bankrupt Sarah Palin with a slew of ethics lawsuits. She already owes upwards of $400,000 in legal bills. And she doesn't have Soros' Carte Blanche.
You are correct and it makes my blood boil. Ironically, Republicans have the sterotype of the rich fat cat imprinted all over them even though the biggest spenders are on the Democratic side. I don't know how you overcome and change that image. And image is, if not everything, still a helluva lot.
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jcm Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:46pm |
re: #961 LGoPs
Why wasn't this challenged in court. Was it Rossi that decided not to?
I know if it was the other way around, a Democrat would have litigated the issue to the gates of hell...
The (R) fumbled the challenge pure and simple.
The focused on suspected felon voters. Not the actual recount mechanics.
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Soona' Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:28pm |
Hi, everyone. I just got chased off the creationist thread. What's going on here.
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Engnrman Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:00pm |
Opening communication channel with wife. Acquiring Beefeater's and tonic. Energizing KAHR PM45. Attempting mind meld with strange furry creature from Siberia. TGIFF
New Lizard logging off.
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ladycatnip Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:25pm |
#958 KenJen
Im going on a date with my ex-boyfriend tonite. We havent dated in 8 years. Our last date he told me at dinner that he wanted to break up. The restaurant was a 10 min walk from my house so I slipped out the back after excusing myself to use the restroom. He sat there for a good 45 mins. before realizing I was gone. Why am I doing this to myself? Someone stop me.
Stop!
Seriously, people are who they are. If he wants to get back with you, I can pretty much guarantee he'll break up with you again. How do I know this? Personal experience, and watching my daughter's experience with these guys. Give guys a chance who don't match your type, i.e. tall dark and handsome - so try a shorter version with brown hair and glasses. My daughter did and she's got a gem.
You want a guy who is willing to pursue you (not you pursuing him), convince you, win you over, and spoil you rotten. Loyalty, honor, hard-working, integrity and kindness. Can't lose with those qualities in a man.
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WoodstockDave Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:13pm |
I just thought of something good to come out of Barry Bailout's disastrous administration. We will never, ever again have to listen to some idiot Democrat complain about the deficit spending of any previous Republican President.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:46pm |
re: #976 WoodstockDave
I just thought of something good to come out of Barry Bailout's disastrous administration. We will never, ever again have to listen to some idiot Democrat complain about the deficit spending of any previous Republican President.
You are dreaming ... We will always hear about it and that Zer0s Admin was the most successful in history. No matter what reality or the facts are. "a lie repeated often enough becomes truth".
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Empire1 Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:26pm |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.
Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?
Yup, insanity.
I'm in the same boat you are. I've voted and voted and voted (want your candidate to win? Bribe me to vote the other way!), made no difference. Things just keep going further and further downhill. Can't afford to move out into the boonies and go off-grid, either. Fortunately, I'm old enough I (probably) won't be around to see the total triumph of tyranny here.
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UncleRancher Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:58pm |
re: #972 Soona'
Hi, everyone. I just got chased off the creationist thread. What's going on here.
That happened to me the other day. I mistakenly used a creationalisticism
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abolitionist Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:44:50pm |
re: #250 Charles
My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.
Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.
Text of H.R. 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act
HR 1388 PCS
Calendar No. 35
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1388
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
March 19, 2009
Received; read twice and placed on the calendar
AN ACT
To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
[snip]
With the caveat that it's not an official govt website, this looks like the official Bill. Have not read it thoroughly, merely skimmed, but it appears to have far more detail and breadth than would seem appropriate for merely commissioning a study. It seems to be maddeningly and mind-numbingly detailed, but yet pregnant with vague terms and ambiguities, sufficiently broad and vacuous as to support driving alternate universes through.
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EngnrMan Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:07:57pm |
re:#776
I could hardly be more disappointed in the results of the last election, but I am heartened to see the utter arrogant stupidity that Obama and his administration is proceeding with. We are in for a rough four years, but at the end of it a lot of the "hopey mcchange" crowd are going to swing back toward conservatism. Not the far left, they NEVER will, but the dolts in the middle that can't seem to decide which side they are on, they will at least be influenced by their actual condition and the condition of the country. So, is the glass half full (pauses, sips gin and tonic)? Well, as a cynical engineer type, I see the glass as half empty, dirty and cracked. Yet each news cycle brings hope and anger. The bitch of it is I had to make room in the gun safe to start hoarding cash. At any rate (4 1/2%?), I am not going to give the liberals a free pass. Keep voting, organize people if that is your skill (not mine, I admit) and stay informed, which this blog is excellent for. The political attitude of this country pendulates (word?) back and forth and it will swing away from the present crap. Of course, if you follow that to it's logical conclusion then it will swing back toward this crap, and then away again, and then back...damn, need another drink.
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salsanchips Sat, Mar 28, 2009 1:21:11am |
"Bozos" -- I loved that album by FS and need to hear it again.
"uh, Clem!"
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'Tired Guy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 9:07:49am |
re: #981 EngnrMan
As another cynical engineer, I agree with all that you said. Regarding the alternation of good and bad, I am beginning to understand the Old Testament history of "good kings, bad kings" much better now. It wasn't an indictment of the kings themselves, so much as a demonstration of the lack of unity in the population. Like our present lack of unity.
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