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Sure, understanding today’s complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But, there they are.

Firesign Theatre, I Think We’re All Bozos On This Bus

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1 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:21:35am

oh goody!...a tank thread!

2 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:21:43am

Ahhh. Fresh air.

3 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:32am

I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.


5 tries, I died all 5 times.

4 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:34am

A bee bit my sister once.

5 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:44am

Bring back The Balanced Budget Amendment proposal!

6 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:22:51am

How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?

7 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:02am

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Shakespeare for enlightening me as to how I need to view the Obama administration and its budget, social program proposals, and stimulus crap:

Now is the center of our discontent,
Made more laborious by this son of Pork.

8 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:11am

Great rant:

Curse the blasted jelly-boned swines, the slimy belly-wriggling invertebrates, the miserable sodding rotters, the flaming sods, the sniveling, dribbling, dithering, palsied pulseless lot that make up England today. They've got white of egg in their veins, and their spunk is that watery, it's a marvel they can breed . . . Why, why, why, was I born an Englishman! - D. H. Lawrence (1855 - 1930)

9 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:39am

"Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

10 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:40am

re: #6 joncelli

How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?

Good question. we have to keep abreast of these things.

11 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:23:49am
12 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:24:16am

re: #6 joncelli

How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?

You breast not encourage us. We will start tittering about it soon enough.

13 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:24:39am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

I love "I Think We're All Bozos on this Bus."

And here I thought Bozo was just inside that little box we call a TV.

14 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:00am

Repost from the last thread. Live feed of the memorial for the fallen officers of the Oakland Police Department.
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

15 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:10am

re: #12 DaddyG

You breast not encourage us. We will start tittering about it soon enough.

That was very bra-zen of you.

16 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:15am

re: #8 debutaunt

Hey , don't make this an evolution thread /

17 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:22am

Fargo Flood Waters Break Record, Spur Evacuations

North Dakota’s Red River is forecast to swell for at least another day after breaking a 112- year-old flood record in Fargo today and forcing hundreds of people to flee their homes.

A leaking levee in Fargo, the state’s largest city, prompted 40 families to leave their residences last night, Cecily Fong, a spokeswoman for North Dakota Emergency Services, said by telephone. Workers piled more than a half million sandbags against waters that may not subside for a week, compounding the city’s challenges.

“The longer sandbags sit and hold back water, the less stable they could become,” Patrick Slattery, a National Weather Service spokesman in Kansas City, said by phone.

At Fargo, the river climbed to 40.63 feet (12.4 meters) at 11:15 a.m. Chicago time, almost 23 feet above the flood point, and eclipsing the previous record of 40.1 feet, set in April 1897, according to the weather service.

18 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:25:48am
19 Emerald  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:06am

re: #3 Shug

I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.

5 tries, I died all 5 times.

Were you trying to land at the Franz Kafka airport?

20 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:10am

re: #6 joncelli

How long until the puns or the boobs? Or maybe puns ABOUT boobs?

Does the titmouse have breasts?

21 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:22am

re: #1 albusteve

oh goody!...a tank thread!

I think the tribal names were Hittite of the park.

22 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:26:32am

re: #17 jcm

bad news for those folks...I feel for my northern brothers and sisters up there

23 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:06am

re: #20 LGoPs

Does the titmouse have breasts?

yes...taste like chicken

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:11am

Was you ever bit by a dead bee?

25 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:17am

re: #17 jcm

Fargo Flood Waters Break Record, Spur Evacuations

Hey!
What's with trying to deluge us with leveety?

26 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:27:23am
27 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:01am

re: #15 Ford_Prefect

That was very bra-zen of you.

Just trying to pick up some good mammaries.

28 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:09am

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

29 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:25am

Barack's Bozos on the Bus

and plenty under the Bus

30 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:37am

re: #25 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey!
What's with trying to deluge us with leveety?

Sorry for raining on your parade! I'll stop being a drip...

31 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:41am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

Common Sense

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #24 Charles

Was you ever bit by a dead bee?

Youtube Video

OMG! Don't need to open the link to know what it is!
(For some reason, I HATED that running gag.)

33 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:00am

re: #24 Charles

There's a scene in there where Lauren Bacall gives Bogart this look...she was in love, it was obvious.

34 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:03am

re: #24 Charles

Was you ever bit by a dead bee?


[Video]

Walter Brennen...a national treasure

35 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:09am

re: #24 Charles

I hate stepping on dead bees.

36 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #24 Charles

Was you ever bit by a dead bee?


Was it Eric the Half a bee?

37 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:30am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

An advantageous evolutionary adaption.

38 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:34am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

Survival Instinct?

39 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:29:56am
40 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #30 jcm

Sorry for raining on your parade! I'll stop being a drip...

See what happens when you get a rise out of me?
You'll get sandbagged every time!

41 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:08am
42 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #30 jcm

Sorry for raining on your parade! I'll stop being a drip...

Moist you keep making puns?

43 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:21am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?


Racist.

/moonbat stream media

44 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:26am

re: #24 Charles

Lauren Bacall , nothing sexier . She said something about bees?

45 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #35 Racer X

I hate stepping on dead bees.

At least you didn't sit on one. That could be a pain in the ass.

46 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:44am

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama hates white people!

(Just getting ready for the aftermath.)

they all have guns up there...barbarians

47 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:30:58am
48 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #42 LGoPs

Moist you keep making puns?

I'll put a damper on the puns...

49 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #38 subsailor68

Survival Instinct?

You win. I have a rational fear of bees, wasps, and hornets.

50 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:38am
51 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:41am

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?

GRRRrrr!.!.!.!.

52 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:47am

Phil at Bad Astronomy posted an article about creationism and science..
My lawdy..He rips them an ass..
Creationism is bad Religion:
{excerpt}
It’s dead obvious that creationism isn’t science, or even bad science. It’s nonsense. But I’ve long stated it’s also bad religion, because it doesn’t just take faith, it also takes a phenomenal disregard of reality. Moderate Christians should distance themselves from such garbage..
Great Read..
Here is the link:
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

53 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:52am

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?


"It was mostly under the radar," Williams said. "We thought it would put (the president) in a precarious position. We didn't know how closely he wanted to appear to be working with the Muslim American community."


Gee, why do you suppose that is, Mr. Williams?

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:31:54am

re: #48 jcm

I'll put a damper on the puns...

Then why do you keep sponging off the prior comments?

55 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:01am

re: #42 LGoPs

Moist you keep making puns?

That's a neat trickle. Don't damn him for it.

56 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:25am

re: #49 Sharmuta

You win. I have a rational fear of bees, wasps, and hornets.

I'm glad you didn't include the Bumble Bee...I like Bumble Bees

57 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:26am

re: #46 albusteve

they all have guns up there...barbarians

LOL! Yeah, think I'll grab me a six pack and a lawn chair and wait to see what happens when the administration figures its time to pull a New Orleans style gun grab.

58 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:41am

re: #55 DaddyG

That's a neat trickle. Don't damn him for it.

"Dam it" said the beaver...

59 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:32:48am

Speaking of Dead Bees, let's have a moment of silence for Nahoul

/

60 Emerald  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:07am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.

//cue in cheap, maniacal laughter soundtrack

61 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #55 DaddyG

That's a neat trickle. Don't damn him for it.

These jokes are making me misty.

62 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #58 LGoPs

"Dam it" said the beaver...

Nice beaver.

63 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #56 albusteve

I'm glad you didn't include the Bumble Bee...I like Bumble Bees

I like Bumble Bee, Bumble Bee Tuna...

/I keep hearing that damn song in my heas

64 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then why do you keep sponging off the prior comments?

he has a dry sense of humor...

65 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:20am

re: #47 Iron Fist

It probably wouldn't help, but it would be interesting watching the Donks trying to graft together a 3/5ths majority to pass their pork-laden (insert the next Robert C. Byrd Ku Klux Klan Memorial bicycle path here) deficit budget. Pure comedy gold.

Something has to give, Cousin Fist. I think this is the proposal that could help get the republicans back into the majority in Congress- but they have to do more than a token gesture of passing it. They must keep pushing for it until it passes. State governments have to balance their budgets- why is Congress any different?

66 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then why do you keep sponging off the prior comments?

If you don't like the flow, I'm sorry and will put a plug in it.

67 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:29am

re: #59 Shug

Speaking of Dead Bees, let's have a moment of silence for Nahoul

/

Half a moment for Eric.

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:33am

re: #55 DaddyG

That's a neat trickle. Don't damn him for it.

Is this is supposed to be a streaming thread, where are all the videos?

69 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:33am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Head even

70 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:36am
71 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:33:52am

I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.

72 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #62 Honorary Yooper

Nice beaver.


Big beaver

73 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:34:42am

re: #70 Iron Fist

But Obama does hate white people. I get the impression he's not too fond of Jews, either.

He hates the successful, the independent, the religious people too.

74 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #66 jcm

If you don't like the flow, I'm sorry and will put a plug in it.

Naw ... it's my fault ... I'll go over in the corner and mop.

/not a good one, really, but I think it's cute

75 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:12am

re: #70 Iron Fist

But Obama does hate white people. I get the impression he's not too fond of Jews, either.

hence his internal rage...

76 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:14am

re: #71 DaddyG

I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.

We have been all abuzz with bad news lately.

77 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #72 Shug

Big beaver

Yes, Exit 69.

78 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:27am

re: #71 DaddyG

I thought this thread might bee a bit more perky but the flood of bad news has really dampened my spirits.

You need to have a better attitude:

"Nothing is impossible. Some things are just less likely than others." - Jonathan Winters

79 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:35am

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?

Notice they don't give us the list.
I wonder how many are co-conspirators, indicted or un-indicted.
I'd like to see where they donated their money to.

80 JohnnyReb  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:49am

re: #65 Sharmuta

Something has to give, Cousin Fist. I think this is the proposal that could help get the republicans back into the majority in Congress- but they have to do more than a token gesture of passing it. They must keep pushing for it until it passes. State governments have to balance their budgets- why is Congress any different?

CT must have missed that part. We are running about 1 billion plus in the red right now. With more to come in the future. All the Dems here can figure out how to fix it is raise taxes and attempt to sell some bonds. Oh and the bonds won't sell, but they haven't figured that out yet. I see a state government shutdown in the very near future for us.

81 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:35:56am

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this is supposed to be a streaming thread, where are all the videos?

They got left up the creek, along with the paddles...

82 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:08am
83 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #81 LGoPs

They got left up the creek, along with the paddles...

I just can't brook these puns any longer.

84 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:23am

re: #74 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Naw ... it's my fault ... I'll go over in the corner and mop.

Your the expert*

*ex - a has been, spurt - a drip under pressure...
/ ;-P

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:27am

Is OR in the room?
I wanna debate the merits of Bacall versus Lima.

86 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:36:47am

re: #60 Emerald

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.

//cue in cheap, maniacal laughter soundtrack

Or a Nirvana video:

87 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:11am
88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:13am

re: #81 LGoPs

They got left up the creek, along with the paddles...

Canoe pipe down a bit?!

89 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:26am

re: #78 debutaunt

You need to have a better attitude:

"Nothing is impossible. Some things are just less likely than others." - Jonathan Winters

Everything in life is 50/50. Either it will happen or it wont.

90 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:37am

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

91 brookly red  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:50am

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?

profiling.

92 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:52am

re: #88 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Canoe pipe down a bit?!

Aww ship. We were just getting started.

93 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:10am

The Zionist Mall presents, the coolest Passover toy ever!

Plush Plagues Bag
Includes all 10 plagues!

Ages 3 & up Keeps the kids entertained during Passover. This plush yellow plagues bag contains representations for all of the plagues:

* A spooky eyed drop of blood
* A Frog for frogs—of course
* A Giant Lice for lice.
* Cow for cattle disease
* Black Locust for locusts
* A white satin lump of hail
* A black cube of darkness
* An icky boil on a piece of flesh!
* A snarling lion's head for wild beasts
* and last of all a very sad head - for death of the first born.

94 nonic  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?

So we now have specifically muslim affirmative action. What could be wrong with that? /

95 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:38:27am

re: #90 ladycatnip

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

Doesn't that contradict the term "volunteer"?

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #92 Ford_Prefect

Aww ship. We were just getting started.

What th' HULL?!?!

97 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:12am
98 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:21am

re: #90 ladycatnip

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

Steam is now coming out of my ears. And I am not making a pun!

99 Buck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:33am

re: #3 Shug

I just purchased the iPhone ap : Land Sully's Plane.

5 tries, I died all 5 times.

You need to have a better altitude.

100 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #92 Ford_Prefect

Aww ship. We were just getting started.

Aboat time...

101 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:45am

paranoid?
Don't tell me worry doesn't do any good, all the stuff I
worry about never happens...

102 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:39:57am

re: #90 ladycatnip

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

My kids aren't doing that crap, I dont care what it takes.

103 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:17am

re: #100 LGoPs

Aboat time...

Canou stop, please?

104 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:23am

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What th' HULL?!?!

I'm going to keel you...

105 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:32am

re: #98 Ford_Prefect

Steam is now coming out of my ears. And I am not making a pun!

who will be the first to step up and simply say...go fuck off

106 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:39am

It ain't volunteerism if it's mandatory.

107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:50am

re: #100 LGoPs

Aboat time...

Now there'll be a raft of 'em!

108 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:53am

#95 Racer X

Doesn't that contradict the term "volunteer"?

Sure does.

109 JohnnyReb  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:54am

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My kids aren't doing that crap, I dont care what it takes.


I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.

110 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #103 Leonidas Hoplite

Nevermind. I'll go sit in a corner for this one.

111 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:00am

re: #105 albusteve

who will be the first to step up and simply say...go fuck off

*Hand raised high!

112 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #100 LGoPs

Aboat time...

Take off, eh.

113 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:24am

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Now there'll be a raft of 'em!

I think we have capsized this thread.

114 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:43am

After reading The Guardian, Palestinians dumped a bunch of garbage in their house and told AP the Zionists did it.

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #104 LGoPs

I'm going to keel you...

Not until after we spar some.

116 aggieann  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:41:53am

re: #42 LGoPs

Moist you keep making puns?

They're only funny when you don't faucet.

117 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:06am

Sometimes things get trippy in the open thread..

Don't Pass Away

First from lightening, thunder quill, enlightening,
The stone right laws by ten dimensions laid.
True commandments and declared freedoms,
The blood warriors' gifts, a high price paid.
Don't watch your Founders' nation pass away.

We the people, living, moving,
Melding in chromatic orb to one,
Assured the hate wright, right hate fail well
Under goddess Liberty's watchful Sun.
Don't watch your Forefathers' nation pass away.

Elephants with donkeys gorging,
Wallowing in the selfsame treasure trough.
Their main course, their masters' wages,
Prime flesh cut from naive sloths.
Don't watch your Father's nation pass away.

By millions, billions, advancing trillions
Grow the vulgar links of debtor chain.
Lost in paper, dog-eared, mark-eared,
Drunk policy swine, deaf they remain.
Don't watch your Mother's nation pass away.

Moneymongers feeding, knowing
Power drives each hundredth's porkish whims.
Called in, snowed in, most agreed on
The specter of their gluttish sins.
Don't watch your Own nation pass away.

The leading Zero led by a queen
None see beyond sore, rose eyes.
From reigning temples they subdue us,
Decreeing changeless, hopeless tyrannies.
Don't watch your Chidren's nation pass away.

The lunar percent, greater, lesser, missionary,
Lost in lies and things mundane.
Smoke grassfire, communistic, nurtures
The red candy cancer bureaucracy.
Don't watch your Grandchildren's nation pass away.

Pistacia vera dehiscence mirroring
Knowledge spread by tiny, green gamelike spheres.
The thoughtful sequence, buzz of letters spearing,
Charted electric by a most wise lizard One.
Don't watch your Army's nation pass away.

It's your home, your freedom station,
A divine gift of Providence.
Those oath defacing deserve replacing.
Nothing here is happenstance.
Don't watch your Own nation pass away.

Don't let your Own nation pass away.

-Kreuzueber Halbmond, with dimensional inspiration from a Three-eyed Man of yore.

118 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:16am

re: #115 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not until after we spar some.

Or until you pay me a transom...

119 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #106 Sharmuta

It ain't volunteerism if it's mandatory.

There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

120 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:36am

re: #113 Ford_Prefect

I think we have capsized this thread.

Sorry - I feel like a total aft-hole.

121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:38am

re: #113 Ford_Prefect

I think we have capsized this thread.

Could I broach the idea of a temporary truce?

122 nonic  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:51am

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reminds me of some wisdom forwarded to me recently...

In life, you have two choices. Either you can stay single and be miserable. Or you can get married and wish you were dead.

123 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:02am

re: #120 Racer X

Sorry - I feel like a total aft-hole.

Take a bow...

124 badger1970  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #95 Racer X

It's like mandatory "fun day".

125 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:32am

re: #119 Honorary Yooper

There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

There's obviously enough opposition to this, that I suspect it will be legally challenged if it make it to law.

126 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:38am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

Yes, Exit 69.

That's on the way to Troy Mich. I took a picture of it myself

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:42am

re: #120 Racer X

Sorry - I feel like a total aft-hole.

*stern look*

128 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:42am

re: #124 badger1970

It's like mandatory "fun day".

Make me laugh, you bastard!

129 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:44am

re: #109 JohnnyReb

I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.


My concern is that they'll make some sort of involuntary servitude volunteer work mandatory for receiving student loans. I will live in a cardboard box and work 3 jobs to put my kid through school before I'll subject her to that.

130 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:47am

re: #49 Sharmuta

You win. I have a rational fear of bees, wasps, and hornets.

Hymenoptophobia.

131 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:43:50am

re: #113 Ford_Prefect

I think we have capsized this thread.

It went down like the SS Monicatanic.

132 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:01am

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*stern look*

ahahhahahahahahhaa

133 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:12am

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Could I broach the idea of a temporary truce?

Oar a permanent truce?

134 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #109 JohnnyReb

I seriously doubt anyone will be forced to volunteer. I suspect they won't be able to keep up with the nut cases getting in line to actually volunteer.

Wrong. They'll make involvement "highly recomended" and tie participation into school district's federal grants. Want to go to a good school and get college assistance? Then "volunteer" right here.

135 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:38am

re: #106 Sharmuta

It ain't volunteerism if it's mandatory.

It is every bit as voluntary as paying taxes.

136 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:39am

re: #119 Honorary Yooper

There's a term for that, if one has to work, but is not paid, but is not a prisoner either. There's a term for that that is distinctly prohibited in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

exactly...this whole thing will fold...the compulsory aspect that is

137 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:49am

#124 badger1970

It's like mandatory "fun day".

"fun indoctrination and re-education day".

138 Gus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:51am

Obama Regime Spkoescomrade Conducting Breifing from Obamagrad

Watch Live on Communist News Network

139 mikalm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:52am

Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:53am

re: #118 LGoPs

Or until you pay me a transom...

You should've saved that until we'd used mast of the others.

141 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #126 HoosierHoops

That's on the way to Troy Mich. I took a picture of it myself

Yep, 16 Mile Road, also known as Metropolitian Parkway.

142 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:18am

re: #130 Unakite

Hymenoptophobia.

But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.

143 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:41am

re: #125 Sharmuta

There's obviously enough opposition to this, that I suspect it will be legally challenged if it make it to law.

I would not even bother to hire a lawyer...it's a slam dunk

144 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:48am

re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You should've saved that until we'd used mast of the others.

I'd rudder not...

145 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:45:53am

re: #139 mikalm

Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon

I wonder if anyone is embarrased by it.

146 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #7 subsailor68

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Shakespeare for enlightening me as to how I need to view the Obama administration and its budget, social program proposals, and stimulus crap:

Now is the center of our discontent,
Made more laborious by this son of Pork.

Written, of course, in Idiotic Pentameter

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:07am

re: #132 debutaunt

ahahhahahahahahhaa

Huh? I'm mizzen something.

148 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:29am

re: #144 LGoPs

I'd rudder not...

It is amazing the topics these puns encompass.

149 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #142 Sharmuta

But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.

that is a justified fear...they can kill you

150 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:40am

re: #142 Sharmuta

But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.

Hey, what do you have against white, Anglo-Saxons, ,,,

151 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:53am
152 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:46:58am

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

It is amazing the topics these puns encompass.

rudderless tho

153 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:00am

re: #147 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Huh? I'm mizzen something.

You're a master at that.

154 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #139 mikalm

Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon

"OPD you can't hide - we charge you with genocide,"

Mixon killed 4 police officers, whereas OPD killed only one Mixon, therefore isn't Mixon more guilty of "genocide" than the OPD?

155 Opinionated  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:18am

The New York Times [more precisely the Liberal assholes who write editorials stating their Liberal views] has advice for Netanyahu.

Being a Partner for Peace

Israel’s next prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, will have to overcome his hawkish reputation and take the right steps toward seeking peace with the Palestinians.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Fair is fair so I have advice for the "Palestinians".

You will have to overcome being barbaric savages.

156 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

It is amazing the topics these puns encompass.

...as we navigate down the thread

157 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #131 Honorary Yooper

It went down like the SS Monicatanic.

Uh oh!
Yoop's turning Lewdsky on us!

158 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:47:40am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?


Fairbia?

159 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:17am

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey

LOL!

160 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:20am

re: #154 Alouette

"OPD you can't hide - we charge you with genocide,"

Mixon killed 4 police officers, whereas OPD killed only one Mixon, therefore isn't Mixon more guilty of "genocide" than the OPD?

That's racist math!

161 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

Islamophobia

162 JohnnyReb  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #130 Unakite

Hymenoptophobia.

Is he related to Amenhotep?

163 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:29am

re: #156 LGoPs

...as we navigate down the thread

There is avast amount of material.

164 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #150 NonNativeTexan

Hey, what do you have against white, Anglo-Saxons, ,,,

It's not them. It's their Jutes that scare me...

165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:44am

re: #133 LGoPs

Oar a permanent truce?

Either that or we raise the scull and crossbones

166 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:48:45am
167 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:25am

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

A -rationa.

168 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:27am

re: #139 mikalm

Re the Oakland funeral for the four slain cops: I already posted this in "Moonbats," but I wanted to do a repeat just to demonstrate how insane and vicious a certain segment of the Bay Area nut-Left population is: Rally to support cop-killer Mixon

If I said what I really think about that rally I'd lose my account here.

169 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:49:35am

re: #153 debutaunt

You're a master at that.

Are you bo'sun me around?

170 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:07am

re: #169 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you bo'sun me around?

Any porthole in a swarm.

171 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:21am

re: #147 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Huh? I'm mizzen something.

I like the cut of your jib...

172 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:31am

re: #166 Iron Fist

They won't pass balanced budgets unless we make them. That's why a Constitutional amendment forcing their hand is needed. I do not favor amendments for social issues, but this is a government issue, and I therefore feel it's justified.

173 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:50:55am

re: #166 Iron Fist

there is a rising tide...give it some time, word has to get out by mouth these days...I hate the MSM with a passion

174 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #90 ladycatnip

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

175 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:34am

Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?

Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.

176 mikalm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:36am

re: #145 debutaunt

I wonder if anyone is embarrased by it.

Check the comments on the article -- there's unanimous loathing for these creeps. The Uhuru Movement, who organized this disgrace, are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Bay Area's moonbat Left.

177 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:42am

re: #142 Sharmuta

But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.

Okinawa, platoon of Marines on a jungle patrol, full noise discipline, moving slow. We hear a crack behind us and the Platoon Sgt screams "HORNETS! RUN!" 30+ marines hauling ass, swatting at hornets thru the jungle, cursing all the while.

178 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #165 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Either that or we raise the scull and crossbones

All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...

179 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

And it was picked up by Laura Ingraham on the O'Reilly factor last night. Very deceiving.

180 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:41am

re: #129 doppelganglander

My concern is that they'll make some sort of involuntary servitude volunteer work mandatory for receiving student loans. I will live in a cardboard box and work 3 jobs to put my kid through school before I'll subject her to that.

They may make it mandatory to graduate.

181 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:51am

re: #178 LGoPs

All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...

Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P

182 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #172 Sharmuta

They won't pass balanced budgets unless we make them. That's why a Constitutional amendment forcing their hand is needed. I do not favor amendments for social issues, but this is a government issue, and I therefore feel it's justified.

I tend to agree altho a certain small % of debt may be justifiable...it would be cool to see an instant and continuing downsizing of govt...my dream come true

183 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:04am

re: #175 Lee Coller

Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?

Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.

Might as well hang the Christmas lights as well, for the complete effect. ;-)

184 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #178 LGoPs

All these puns are starting to make me pIRATE...

Did y' really HAVE t' plank that one down?!

185 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

That is both a relief and an irritant. A relief for obvious reasons, and an irritant because a study means more of our money being wasted on a stupid idea that is designed to take more of our freedoms from us. There should be no debate necessary to decide that this shouldn't happen.

186 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:32am

re: #179 Lee Coller

And it was picked up by Laura Ingraham on the O'Reilly factor last night. Very deceiving.

Reality is tough enough without these fools distorting it.

187 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #175 Lee Coller

Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?

Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.

Thanks for reminding me. I'll have on the lights, TVs and radios. Thinking I should string up some Christmas lights too.

188 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:45am

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P

LOL...that was pretty good.
:)

189 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P

Just tell him to Lafitte off.

190 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:53:58am

re: #182 albusteve

I tend to agree altho a certain small % of debt may be justifiable...it would be cool to see an instant and continuing downsizing of govt...my dream come true

It won't happen unless we make them.

191 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:00am

I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.

192 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:04am

re: #90 ladycatnip

Americorps forced volunteerism passed the House and is now in the Senate.

It's going through under the radar. The Brown Shirts are coming.

"Resistance to expanded mandated public service programs can be expected from the ideologically sclerotic patriotic, those who occupy the negative moral ground between government as the problem protector of life liberty and the persuit of happiness and government as our enemy constitutionally by the people and for the people," former Democratic Colorado Sen. Gary Hart wrote in a recent op-ed on the Huffington Post Web site.

FIFY F'er

193 Rancher  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:09am

Contingency!, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
Contingency!, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all

194 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:17am

re: #142 Sharmuta

But it's NOT a phobia- it's not irrational on my part. I was attacked by a swarm of wasps as a kid. That's my rationale for my fear.

I know, but I just thought up the word (I think), and I liked it. :)

195 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:54:19am

re: #174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?

196 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #175 Lee Coller

Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?

Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.

Well, I don't have any spots or stuff, but I plan to put my speakers on the front porch and play Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" over and over again at full blast.

197 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #191 rawmuse

I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.

The sky can't get any bluer.

198 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #187 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks for reminding me. I'll have on the lights, TVs and radios. Thinking I should string up some Christmas lights too.

Light some candles, too? Leave open your fridge and freezer? Turn on your night-lights?

199 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just tell him to Lafitte off.

You could both Teach me a lesson...

200 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:55:54am

re: #174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?

201 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #190 Sharmuta

It won't happen unless we make them.

why is it that the GOP does not stick with this novel idea?...because they want to spend as well...it could be a rally point for a third party to pressure the other two

202 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:56:23am
203 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:02am

re: #171 LGoPs

I like the cut of your jib...

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

204 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:16am

re: #200 Zimriel

indeed.

205 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:22am

re: #200 Zimriel

Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?

donks for you...it's what they do

206 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

as long as you stay on tack

207 brookly red  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #196 subsailor68

Well, I don't have any spots or stuff, but I plan to put my speakers on the front porch and play Debbie Boone's "You Light Up My Life" over and over again at full blast.

I think the term "depraved indifference" applies :)

208 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

These puns are getting Corsair.

209 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:49am

re: #199 LGoPs

You could both Teach me a lesson...

Uh oh. That was Morgan I bargained for!

210 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:57:53am

I keel you!

211 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #192 DaddyG

FIFY F'er

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act -- sponsored by Reps. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y, and George Miller, D-Calif. -- was approved by a 321-105 vote and now goes to the Senate.

A 321-105 vote tells me that a lot of Republicans voted for it. Are they just brain-dead, or what?

212 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #201 albusteve

why is it that the GOP does not stick with this novel idea?...because they want to spend as well...it could be a rally point for a third party to pressure the other two

It's part of why I'm suggesting this. Separate the wheat from the chaff as far as fiscal conservatism goes. Why they dropped this is anyone's guess- because socialist republicans don't care, I suppose. But if we want fiscal conservatism to make a comeback, this is the vehicle I propose.

213 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:08am

Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?

214 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #195 MandyManners

I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?

Will the panel/commission meet in public? Will the minutes be on record? Will the findings be published?

215 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

I just can't believe nobody's said poop yet.

216 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:22am

you guys are keeling me with your puns...

217 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:31am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

courses?...well of coarse!

218 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Uh oh. That was Morgan I bargained for!

I thought I could rum you off...

219 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:37am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

You'll be a hundredaire!

220 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Rent an arc-light and cast the Moon-Bat Signal into the sky...

You think BIG.

221 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #195 MandyManners

I'm still trying to figure out who will be on the panel/commission to study this. Any idea?

From the bill:

SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.

(a) Number and Appointment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:

(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.

(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.

(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #206 LGoPs

as long as you stay on tack

Yes. It's leest I could do.

223 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:11am

Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.

224 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:15am

I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:31am

re: #208 Ford_Prefect

These puns are getting Corsair.

That one hit the marque.

226 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:41am

re: #222 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes. It's leest I could do.

I think we should Barbary from the White House in 2012.

227 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #212 Sharmuta

It's part of why I'm suggesting this. Separate the wheat from the chaff as far as fiscal conservatism goes. Why they dropped this is anyone's guess- because socialist republicans don't care, I suppose. But if we want fiscal conservatism to make a comeback, this is the vehicle I propose.

agreed all the way...simple and honest and something everyone can get with

228 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:05pm

re: #198 MandyManners

Light some candles, too? Leave open your fridge and freezer? Turn on your night-lights?

Kinda scared to leave the fridge and freezer open but maybe I'll turn on the AC instead. Could leave some right wing radio show on loudly. LOL

229 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:15pm

re: #221 Lee Coller

From the bill:

SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.

(a) Number and Appointment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:

(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.

(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.

(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.

Wow! This fits right in with the pun thread:

Ship of Fools.

230 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:16pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.

balance the budget.
Send the Bill to Soros

231 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:22pm
232 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:32pm

re: #191 rawmuse

I hate to boast (oh, go ahead) but, we are having a simply magnificent day here in northern CA. Too nice to be in front of a computer, so off I go.

Heard that, high today is going to be 76. It's beautiful outside, can't wait to get home and walk the lab along the American.

233 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:36pm

re: #223 Shug

write them down as he learns them, and date them... then read them back and tell him his age etc. etc. when he is much older. He will get a kick out of it!

234 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:39pm

re: #223 Shug

I once hear a two year old say, "Puck you!" It was hard not to laugh.

235 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:00:44pm

re: #213 Fenway_Nation

Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?


Respirated.

236 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

Yes, it is just commissioning a study on mandatory service, but why does the term mandatory have to be in the bill? Between this and the proposal to reduce the charitable deduction for people above a certain level of income it seems to me that the Dems and the current President are aiming directly at the biggest threat to their utopian plans - voluntary giving. Thus leaving us with big brother government as the only option to neglecting the poor and needy.

237 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

He is just Coasting.

Yeah, he road the tide of enthusiasm.

238 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #213 Fenway_Nation

Afternoon, all...I see the DJIA is down about 150 today. What did Hussein Dolt do now?

He spoke.

239 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #175 Lee Coller

Anyone here participating in Earth Day tomorrow (turning off all your lights between 8:30 and 9:30PM local time)?

Didn't think so, personally, I'm planning on turning on all my lights and rigging up some spots to brightly light the front of my house.

I've set a reminder on my cell phone, and I'm going to turn on every damn light and electrical device in my house, just to piss off Al Gore.

240 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:16pm
241 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:22pm

re: #216 WindHorse

you guys are keeling me with your puns...

If you don't like it Go to Hull...
:)

242 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:27pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Rent an arc-light and cast the Moon-Bat Signal into the sky...

W00T, love it!

243 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:29pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plug your bucaneers if you dont like what you're hearing then :P

Q: Where are your bucaneers?
A: Under me bucanhat!

244 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

I'm considering starting a petition for the Balanced Budget Amendment, then sending it to Michael Steele.

start right here with the blogs...can't miss

245 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #223 Shug

Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.

I had two early talkers and the inflection they get on curse words is a wonder to behold.

246 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #229 subsailor68

Wow! This fits right in with the pun thread:

Ship of Fools.

And a Car of Idiots.

247 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #221 Lee Coller

From the bill:

SEC. 5. MEMBERSHIP.

(a) Number and Appointment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall be composed of 8 members appointed as follows:

(A) 2 members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

(B) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.

(C) 2 members appointed by the majority leader of the Senate.

(D) 2 members appointed by the minority leader of the Senate.

THANKS! I had a link in MyFavs but it got shunted off somewhere.

Eight folks, eh?

248 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #180 Unakite

They may make it mandatory to graduate.

She's only got one more year of high school, so she'd probably escape. But it's not just about my kid, of course. As Charles points out, it's hardly a done deal. I just want to make sure it doesn't happen.

249 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #215 subsailor68

I just can't believe nobody's said poop yet.

GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop

250 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #200 Zimriel

Why would they commission a study, if they're not considering acting on it?

My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.

Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.

251 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #241 LGoPs

I may be obilged to...

252 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #228 Pvt Bin Jammin

Kinda scared to leave the fridge and freezer open but maybe I'll turn on the AC instead. Could leave some right wing radio show on loudly. LOL

Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.

253 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #236 DaddyG

Yes, it is just commissioning a study on mandatory service, but why does the term mandatory have to be in the bill? Between this and the proposal to reduce the charitable deduction for people above a certain level of income it seems to me that the Dems and the current President are aiming directly at the biggest threat to their utopian plans - voluntary giving. Thus leaving us with big brother government as the only option to neglecting the poor and needy.

As I've mentioned before, I deliver Meals on Wheels. And I don't care what this administration or Congress pull, you can bet your ass I'll still be delivering, and I don't need any help from them!

254 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:09pm

re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop

That's a shitty comment.

255 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #221 Lee Coller

Oh that's going to really get something done!

256 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GANGWAY!
poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop

Boy, this head-ed in the wrong direction.

257 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:15pm

re: #226 Ford_Prefect

I think we should Barbary from the White House in 2012.

You were just coasting on that one.

/not ... :D ... *rimshot*

258 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #254 Honorary Yooper

your anchor is showing...

;)

259 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:03:49pm

I would welcome mandatory service just to hear all the kids of moonbats complain about having to do real work.

Make it like the Swiss or Israeli army

260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:01pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

He is just Coasting.

DAMN, ... you beat me to it!
(-:

261 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:01pm

Can you imagine what it would be like if we had a real press instead of a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party?
Just look at what's been discussed here in the last 10 minutes. And the majority of America hasn't a clue.

262 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:10pm

Isn't it World Nut Daily?

263 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #258 WindHorse

your anchor is showing...

;)

Ballast it all. That was a good one.

264 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:35pm

re: #252 MandyManners

Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.

I think I will run the washer, dryer and dishwasher. Maybe turn on the AC, and pop a DVD into the console.

Make sure all 4 computers in the house are up and running.

265 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:40pm

re: #261 Killer Tomato

I think you'd better luff that one alone!

266 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:51pm

re: #261 Killer Tomato

Can you imagine what it would be like if we had a real press instead of a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party?
Just look at what's been discussed here in the last 10 minutes. And the majority of America hasn't a clue.

and it has the government it deserves

267 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:54pm

This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.

268 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #258 WindHorse

your anchor is showing...

;)

Actually the proper insult is that your fenders are showing.

269 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:04:57pm

re: #260 pre-Boomer Marine brat

DAMN, ... you beat me to it!
(-:

he shore did...

270 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #256 Ford_Prefect

Boy, this head-ed in the wrong direction.

Deck him.

271 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:14pm

re: #223 Shug

Pardon the moment of bragging but my just turned 10 month old Shug Jr knows 10 words. He's the smartest baby I've ever seen, and I've seen thousands upon thousands of them.
It's actually a bit spooky. We go out to the mall, or store or whatever and he says Hi to strangers. Been doing it for over 2 months now.
People get kind of freaked out when this little baby talks to them. I'm still not used to it.
I thought we had plenty of time to work on the swearing. Boy were we wrong.
I'm dreading the first " shit" or worse out of his mouth.


My oldest was the friendliest thing when she was that age. My husband was serving in the Navy overseas, so even though we lived off base, we did all our shopping and had many friends on base. It was so common for us to run into friends, she assumed I knew everyone and she should, too. She just waved and smiled at everyone like she was on a parade float.

272 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:17pm

re: #223 Shug

I'd be bragging too. Ha! He's going to be a yacker.

273 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #259 Shug

I would welcome mandatory service just to hear all the kids of moonbats complain about having to do real work.

Make it like the Swiss or Israeli army

And torment all those DI's? Cruel. Just plain cruel.

274 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:40pm

re: #252 MandyManners

Turn on the lights in your oven and microwave. Garage lights. Attic light.

Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!

275 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:05:46pm

re: #250 Charles

My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.

Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.

Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.

276 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #264 Alouette

I think I will run the washer, dryer and dishwasher. Maybe turn on the AC, and pop a DVD into the console.

Make sure all 4 computers in the house are up and running.

The Kid'll be back so he'll have his laptop going as well as his television.

277 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:11pm

re: #262 debutaunt

Isn't it World Nut Daily?

That's what I call it.

278 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #268 Lee Coller

easy for you to sail...

279 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:30pm

re: #275 Ward Cleaver

Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.

If Congress had to balance the budget, there might not be money for such a study.

280 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:33pm

re: #274 Killer Tomato

Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!

LOL

281 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:51pm

re: #176 mikalm

Check the comments on the article -- there's unanimous loathing for these creeps. The Uhuru Movement, who organized this disgrace, are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Bay Area's moonbat Left.

Uhuru? I can't believe she'd turn her back on Starfleet and Captain Kirk like that.
She must be the one from the mirror universe.
/Do I NEED to?
And yes, I know Uhuru is Swahili for freedom

282 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:06:53pm

re: #278 WindHorse

easy for you to sail...

What are we going to do aft-er this is done?

283 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:07pm

I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )

I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border

284 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:12pm

Friday Morning Open? It's 3:07 pm here.

285 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:15pm

here is something on the 1997 Bill...H.R. 898

[Link: www.house.gov...]

286 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:31pm

re: #282 Ford_Prefect

What are we going to do aft-er this is done?

That's a good question, furl sure.

287 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:07:56pm

re: #283 Shug

I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )

I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border

They already do that. It's called Spring Break.

;-)

288 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:00pm

I sternly bow to your puns

289 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #253 subsailor68

As I've mentioned before, I deliver Meals on Wheels. And I don't care what this administration or Congress pull, you can bet your ass I'll still be delivering, and I don't need any help from them!

True dat. Americans are not going to stop charitable giving and on the local level service will always happen. I just wonder if this commission will consider the service hours of the Boy Scouts, or Bhuddist Monks or Alpha Phi Omega as valid as the government mandated programs they dream up?

Where the tax changes will likely hurt the most is large donors and foundations built by wealthy patrons. In the end that would be more of a threat to free speech and the arts than it would faith based organizations.

I can't see how government involvement will make volunteerism easier in any case.

290 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:15pm

re: #283 Shug

I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )

I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border

That's dangerous stuff for untrained teenagers. I think community service is a great idea, but not if it's mandatory. Unless you got a DUI or something.

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #267 Charles

... (other than LGF) ...

Which is precisely why I'm here, as a Lizard, sir.

No flattery intended, but I respect your integrity first and your content second.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #274 Killer Tomato

Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!

I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.

293 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #282 Ford_Prefect

I'm not sure I'll be a-wake then...

294 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

She's only got one more year of high school, so she'd probably escape. But it's not just about my kid, of course. As Charles points out, it's hardly a done deal. I just want to make sure it doesn't happen.

My oldest is 11, so he'll be starting high school around the middle of CBBHO's first term. I know it's not a done deal, but the concern is real.

295 tfc3rid  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:46pm

re: #250 Charles

My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.

Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.

Correct... Mandatory service is not in the bill... The fear is that while in negotiation between House and Senate bills, it might be reinserted...

But as of now, there is NO mandatory service in this bill... The additional increase in government in the bill is an issue.

296 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:54pm

re: #275 Ward Cleaver

Just the idea of the commission and the study bugs me, but OTOH, maybe by the time they finish their work, the GOP will have regained control of Congress.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!

297 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:56pm

re: #258 WindHorse

your anchor is showing...

;)

It's quite a drag.

298 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:08:57pm

re: #290 doppelganglander

That's dangerous stuff for untrained teenagers. I think community service is a great idea, but not if it's mandatory. Unless you got a DUI or something.


18 year olds are shipped off to Iraq every day.
18 year olds defeated the Nazis and Japanese

299 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

If Congress had to balance the budget, there might not be money for such a study.

start writing!...

300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #282 Ford_Prefect

What are we going to do aft-er this is done?

We'll be having a wake.

301 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:04pm

re: #267 Charles

This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.


Fair enough. I'm probably getting borderline paranoid but this administration (including the last two years of congress) hasn't made too many moves to encourage confidence in them.

302 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #283 Shug

I don't have a problem with mandatory service, just as long as it isn't bullshit left wing service. ( which it probably would be )

I think it would be nice if every 18 year old did 3 months in the summer fighting wildfires or guarding the southern border

The 13th Amendment.

303 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:22pm

re: #298 Shug

18 year olds are shipped off to Iraq every day.
18 year olds defeated the Nazis and Japanese

Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.

304 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #291 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Which is precisely why I'm here, as a Lizard, sir.

No flattery intended, but I respect your integrity first and your content second.

Reality always wins out here.

305 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GANGWAY! poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop

poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck

FIFY.

306 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #293 WindHorse

I'm not sure I'll be a-wake then...

I just want to know what is on the dock-et.

307 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:45pm

re: #292 MandyManners

I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.

Brilliant!

I'm going to dust off the blender and give it a workout.

308 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:10:47pm

re: #299 albusteve

I had this epiphany last night, and I'm not dropping it. If the GOP doesn't want to return to Balanced Budget Amendment, I will know they are truly lost.

309 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:03pm

re: #300 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We'll be having a wake.

if it's an Irish Wake maybe they'll serve Port?

310 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:13pm

displacement to be a pun place, or what?

311 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:33pm
312 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:42pm

re: #292 MandyManners

I've two a/c-heating units. I'll turn on the a/c on the third and fourth floors and heat on the first floor.


There'll be a tornado on the second floor!

313 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:56pm

re: #267 Charles

This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.

Excellent point. That's why, when there's a bill being discussed here, I always try to find the original bill, the memo, any any related information on the state website (and posting them to let people make up their own mind what is really going on).

314 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #307 Killer Tomato

Brilliant!

I'm going to dust off the blender and give it a workout.

Food processor. Waffle maker. Mixer. Juicer.

315 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #303 doppelganglander

Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.

I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work

316 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #309 LGoPs

if it's an Irish Wake maybe they'll serve Port?

Buoy, these are getting thin.

317 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:17pm

There's a commission to study whether or not we should have mandatory volunteerism. (Next up: Dry water and cold heat.)

Here's what I would like the final report to say. Draw your own inferences as to how we could get here.

"This commission received an unprecedented amount of public correspondence about this matter. Overwhelming, the public is against this matter, so we urge that the idea be dropped. Furthermore, we are mystified as to the large number of citizens who promised to "chomp their lizard jaws down on our gamey troll buttocks." We recommend another study to determine what this means."

318 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:18pm

re: #311 taxfreekiller

Would you support the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment?

319 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:32pm

re: #312 jamgarr

There'll be a tornado on the second floor!

Will I still be in Kansas?

320 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:47pm

re: #283 Shug

Firefighter training takes several months.

If they do start making service mandatory, they better let any student who joins a volunteer fire departmnet have just being a member count. There were plenty of students at my firehouse when I was a volunteer EMT.

321 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #304 debutaunt

Reality always wins out here.

And there was too @^#%@$#*&!@# much un-reality on the web for me to like it much (except for Best of the Web and Jewish World Review) ... until I discovered LGF.

322 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #313 lawhawk

I just gave you your 20,000th karmic point!

323 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:28pm

re: #316 Ford_Prefect

I think I should prow-ly stop now...

324 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:32pm

re: #308 Sharmuta

I had this epiphany last night, and I'm not dropping it. If the GOP doesn't want to return to Balanced Budget Amendment, I will know they are truly lost.

I'm trying to envision what a Petition might sound like...a couple of short paragraphs?...fluff annoys me...would it be the language of the amendment it'self? or nearly so?...I would hit the bricks to help with this one

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #305 Unakite

poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck poopdeck

FIFY.

We're a damn sight more that three sheets to the wind!

326 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:11pm

Even if you peel back the hysteria it is abundantly clear that some of our most powerful government officials are undertaking a study on "how to make people do the right thing."

Why can't we be trusted to "do the right thing" without bribes or coersion?

Let me organize my own community thank you very much!

327 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #314 MandyManners

Food processor. Waffle maker. Mixer. Juicer.

Curling iron, blow dryer, circular saw...

watch me trip every circuit in the house - lol.

328 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

Firefighter training takes several months.

If they do start making service mandatory, they better let any student who joins a volunteer fire departmnet have just being a member count. There were plenty of students at my firehouse when I was a volunteer EMT.

W00t. I can pass for 18.

329 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:46pm

re: #321 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And there was too @^#%@$#*&!@# much un-reality on the web for me to like it much (except for Best of the Web and Jewish World Review) ... until I discovered LGF.

LGF had me at comedy and reality cinched it.

330 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:48pm

re: #306 Ford_Prefect

I just want to know what is on the dock-et.

Then pier over there, on the left.

331 FreakyBoy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:48pm

Charles:

Considering the quality of our current political leadership, I think this exchange between Peorgie and Mudhead sums it up:

Peorgie Tirebiter: But Mudhead, we're the leaders of tomorrow...

Mudhead: Yeah, but it's today.

332 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:14:57pm

re: #316 Ford_Prefect

Buoy, these are getting thin.

I give up. I harbor no ill will if the rest of you go on...

333 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:00pm

re: #315 Shug

I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work

Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.

334 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:06pm

re: #250 Charles

There is a bit of hyperventilating going on, I'll give you that. I've seen quite a few posts on blogs about the supposed restrictions on using the "service workers" for political or religious work, and these bloggers, who don't seem to excel at reading comprehension, invariably are headlining "They want to take away your 1st Amendment rights!" and "They want to make it so you can't go to church!", when this language was probably inserted by a CONSERVATIVE, who wanted to prevent these Corps from becoming the much-feared Democrat Brownshirts, working for Dem political causes with ACORN and a thousand other PACs and Soros shops. Some people do see what they want in a conspiracy.

I do think this is quite alarming, though, but you knew that. You seem to be saying there's nothing to worry about regarding slavery (or any other euphamism for it) "in the bill" while acknowledging that there is language which purports to set up a commission to study the feasability and planning for exactly that, "in the bill". I think the latter is terrifying, if the former is.

Imagine if the House and Senate passes a bill with language purporting to set up a Commission to study the feasability and planning for a National Intelligent Design Department and compulsory ID lessons in K-12 public education. What would you say to me if I said "There is no language in the bill setting up an Intelligent Design Department, so there is nothing to worry about and this is being blown out of proportion." I wonder what your response to me would be.

335 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #324 albusteve

The wording for the actual amendment itself already exists.

336 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:24pm
337 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:30pm

re: #332 LGoPs

I give up. I harbor no ill will if the rest of you go on...

I may try to fjord on for a while.

338 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #309 LGoPs

if it's an Irish Wake maybe they'll serve Port?

Port wine?!
At an IRISH wake?!?!
*GASP*

339 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #327 Killer Tomato

Curling iron, blow dryer, circular saw...

watch me trip every circuit in the house - lol.

Hot rollers. Straightening iron. Clothing iron.

340 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:16:01pm
341 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #333 doppelganglander

Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.

my kids both liked hard work and still do...no shit...there is a God

342 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #339 MandyManners

Hot rollers. Straightening iron. Clothing iron.

Oven.

343 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #328 MandyManners

W00t. I can pass for 18.

Back to that, are we? I can't pass for 18, but I do have that mature, knowledgeable thing working for me. Let's volunteer!

344 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:21pm

re: #333 doppelganglander

Oh, no kidding. From that standpoint, backbreaking labor is the solution. It's fun to watch rich kids whine about heat and calluses.

I had to work when I was a kid. Some pretty hard shitty jobs, and I'm grateful for it. taught me to respect the value of a dollar, and to respect people who do hard labor.
I can't understand rich folks who have soft children who don't appreciate what they have

what's the old saying : From Sandles to sandles in 3 generations

345 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #336 taxfreekiller

No- the current Congress isn't going to propose this amendment to the Constitution. I think if the GOP went back and campaigned on this, we could get Congress back.

Also- the President doesn't sign amendment proposals into law. Congress would have to pass it, then the states would ratify it.

346 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #341 albusteve

my kids both liked hard work and still do...no shit...there is a God

It's a sweet feeling when you know that your kids value the work ethic.

347 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:38pm

re: #337 Ford_Prefect

I can't stay any longer...

348 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #331 FreakyBoy

Charles:

Considering the quality of our current political leadership, I think this exchange between Peorgie and Mudhead sums it up:

Peorgie Tirebiter: But Mudhead, we're the leaders of tomorrow...

Mudhead: Yeah, but it's today.

Shoes for Industry!

349 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #342 Fat Jolly Penguin

Oven.

Toaster oven. Toaster. Electric razor. Blow dryer. Sun lamp.

350 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:17:54pm
351 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:02pm

PIMF Sandals

352 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:03pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

The wording for the actual amendment itself already exists.

thanks

353 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:10pm

re: #347 WindHorse

I can't stay any longer...

I think you are all barque-ing mad.

354 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:15pm

I have to get back to work, for wheel...

355 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:20pm

re: #315 Shug

I was only partly serious.
Anyway, the point I was originally making is that the moonbats who would push such a thing are the very ones who would complain about it when their kids actually had to do real work

I suspect one of the motivating forces behind "mandatory service" is the knowledge that many of today's youth are just too comfortable to be inspired to live in work camps and build national parks and such.

Now what political ideology has taken away much of the call for personal responsibility again? Someone remind me.

356 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #343 doppelganglander

Back to that, are we? I can't pass for 18, but I do have that mature, knowledgeable thing working for me. Let's volunteer!

I'll stop just short of asking if I can hold his axe.

357 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #356 MandyManners

I'll stop just short of asking if I can hold his axe.

Hold it or kiss it?

358 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:25pm

I got sidetracked for a couple hours, (reading the parts of the Sci Am issues that I'd previously skimmed over), is anyone still talking about the IQ/Genetics connection?

Anyway, one point that was made that struck me as particularly salient is the "birth canal gene" portion of the article that I previously pointed out.
The reasoning behind it is that since (to the satisfaction of the researchers) women with a genetic predisposition to narrow birth canals often deliver babies that suffer some small (1% was the figure used) decrease in "intelligence" and development because of the brain trauma (again, we're talking about tiny degrees here) experienced during birth will necessarily reflect a 1% decrease in IQ as they age. Thus, the "intelligence" gene is actually a "birth canal gene" and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual genes that may (or may not) contribute to intelligence.
Naturally this extends to the whole "are we getting dumber?" debate in that the researchers would have to determine if the offspring of the "narrow birth canal" women would produce "narrow birth canal" offspring, thus cascading into a -1% genetic effect that would extend into infinity.
The biggest problem in this kind of research is that humans aren't fruit flies. We can't just run a couple of hundred generations through the lab and then report on the results. In fact, we have no way of knowing the quantifiable "intelligence" of pretty much anyone who isn't still alive.
All very fascinating.

359 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:25pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.

There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.

The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.

Sounds like potty-training.

360 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:33pm

Maybe I'll fire up the kiln. Nothing like 2000 degrees of good ol' 220 to save the planet!

361 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #353 Ford_Prefect

I think you are all barque-ing mad.

Don't scow...el when you say that

362 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:44pm

re: #329 debutaunt

LGF had me at comedy and reality cinched it.

Heh (seriously) ... I decided to register because there were things which I wanted to say here, particularly about Islamism. Turns out, I've learned a helluva lot more than those comments which I first had in mind.

363 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:47pm

re: #328 MandyManners

W00t. I can pass for 18.

Yeah me too, I hardly ever get carded anymore.

/"39"

364 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:19:47pm

re: #357 Ford_Prefect

*ahem*

365 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #356 MandyManners

I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.

366 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:12pm

yep... enough of this junk...

367 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #346 debutaunt

It's a sweet feeling when you know that your kids value the work ethic.

my boy is almost maso about it...athletics too and his older sister does NOT take no shit from him so she tries to keep up...they don't care about sweat and dirt

368 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #303 doppelganglander

Not without training, and 3 months is barely enough time to teach them the business end of a rifle. I don't think the professionals would enjoy babysitting, either.

Some would enjoy it immensely, in this day, and in the Statist career world, you know, like the UN, for example. The sexual scandals there are unending. Imagine your kids at camps with UN workers in charge.

369 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:24pm

What are we doing?

370 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:25pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.

There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.

The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.

Then we're fucked because the People don't care.

371 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #363 itellu3times

Yeah me too, I hardly ever get carded anymore.

/"39"

NTTATWWT.

372 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:20:46pm

re: #359 MandyManners

Sounds like potty-training.

Yeah, potty training ...a herd of elephants and donkeys.

373 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:21:11pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

Then we're fucked because the People don't care.

thye would balance the budget by taking everything off the budget.

374 FreakyBoy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:21:33pm

#348 itellu3times

Shoes for the dead!

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:01pm

re: #353 Ford_Prefect

I think you are all barque-ing mad.

Good one!
You have now graduated to the ranks of our core vets.

376 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:07pm

re: #369 fat bastard vegetarian

What are we doing?

Doing a naughty-cul pun thread...

377 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #267 Charles

This is important -- do not trust WND or blogs (other than LGF) to tell you the truth about bills under consideration. ALWAYS go to the source and read it for yourself. There's so much crap being floated out there it's getting ridiculous.

If WND said the sky was blue, I'd go outside to verify it. That being said, it's difficult to do this for some of the crap coming out of congress. 1000-page convoluted lawyer-speak bills are legion.

378 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:38pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

Then we're fucked because the People don't care.

I think you're right. Given what we've seen with toxic mortgages, credit card debt, and a lack of savings - seems to me a good number of the People don't even know what the word "budget" means, much less "balanced budget".

379 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.

Now, hold on there.

Image: FDNY5.jpg

[Link: www.firezonestore.org...]

Image: FDNY2.jpg

Image: FIREMAN~Fireman-Posters.jpg

Image: 620-2005115-SexyFireman.jpg

380 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #344 Shug

I had to work when I was a kid. Some pretty hard shitty jobs, and I'm grateful for it. taught me to respect the value of a dollar, and to respect people who do hard labor.
I can't understand rich folks who have soft children who don't appreciate what they have

what's the old saying : From Sandles to sandles in 3 generations

I had chores from the time I could see over the kitchen sink, and a job when I was 15. Everyone had chores when I was a kid, but my kids were among the few who did in their circle. They all had jobs between 15-17 too. You are so right about respecting labor. I tell my kids that all work has value, no matter how dirty or unskilled, and you should respect anyone that works for a living.

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #376 LGoPs

Doing a naughty-cul pun thread...

Awww, frigate!

382 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:02pm

re: #274 Killer Tomato

Turn on your humidifier and dehumidifier and let em battle it out!

Cage match!

383 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:02pm

sometimes the effort is equally as important as the results...times change, nothing ventured nothing gained

384 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #376 LGoPs

Doing a naughty-cul pun thread...

We do brig out the best in people.

385 tfc3rid  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

Then we're fucked because the People don't care.

and the people don't care enough to care... It seems like a lot of people I know just would rather leave things to the government that be responsible for it themselves and that is sad...

Truth is, folks today are being trained for it... They expect it...

386 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #372 DaddyG

Yeah, potty training ...a herd of elephants and donkeys.

Pull-ups in those sizes are bankrupting us!

387 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:23:59pm
388 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:13pm

re: #379 MandyManners

You know, a man who was jealous would say all those men were gay.

All those men were gay.

389 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #358 Lincolntf

Interesting, but the prevalence of Cesarean births probably makes it moot. Maybe you could compare outcomes of Cesarean births vs. births in a country where they are less available.

390 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

I hate to disappoint you, but very few firefighters are built like that. At least the ones I knew. Most of them ate junk food all the time and never exercised.

At a fire, they're more likely to die from a heart attack than from being trapped in the fire.

391 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:36pm

Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.

So there.

;-)

392 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #376 LGoPs

Doing a naughty-cul pun thread...

We're diving deep into it. We've already covered boobs, bees, european tribes and nautical terms.

EU might say were up to our treasure chests buzzing about puns.

393 jamgarr  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:15pm

re: #391 subsailor68

Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.

So there.

;-)


Chuck, is that you?

394 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #387 taxfreekiller

Didn't Fonda repent when she converted to Christianity?

395 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:23pm

re: #254 Honorary Yooper

That's a shitty comment.

You think thats bad?

It's Capt Brownbeard of the Good Ship Jolly Rogering, coming 'round to swab your poopdeck.

396 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:25pm

re: #392 DaddyG

We're diving deep into it. We've already covered boobs, bees, european tribes and nautical terms.

EU might say were up to our treasure chests buzzing about puns.

Schooner or later it will have to stop.

397 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:35pm

re: #388 fat bastard vegetarian

You know, a man who was jealous would say all those men were gay.

All those men were gay.

LOL!

398 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:25:42pm

re: #358 Lincolntf

I've heard there's a similar corollary with Caesarian births.

399 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:00pm

Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27

[Link: www.chron.com...]

400 UFO TOFU  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #379 MandyManners

How did I know that was coming?

401 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:05pm

re: #391 subsailor68

Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.

So there.

;-)


I had to beat a whole pack of swimmers to fertilize the egg. So there!

402 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:23pm

re: #396 Ford_Prefect

Schooner or later it will have to stop.

Shuld we clipper off now?

403 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:25pm

re: #399 Salamantis

Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27

[Link: www.chron.com...]

How's it going?

404 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:26pm
405 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #389 doppelganglander

Interesting, but the prevalence of Cesarean births probably makes it moot. Maybe you could compare outcomes of Cesarean births vs. births in a country where they are less available.

re: #358 Lincolntf

Yes. Conversely, shouldn't there have be a modest increase in intelligence since the advent of the c-section then? Seriously, those scientists are trying to separate the fly shit from the pepper IMO.

406 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #400 UFO TOFU

How did I know that was coming?

You're psychic.

407 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #41 Piglet-U93

Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans

Is this for real?

they've got their fingers in the wind.
they know this preference given to moslems won't sit well w/ most american citizens.
it's affirmative action for islam.
people should be recruited based on talent not religion.
also why does hussein want to coddle moslems anyway?

408 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:03pm

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We're a damn sight more that three sheets to the wind!

I've been trying to channel my thoughts for a good response, but have not been very successful. I harbor no grudges and will continue to navigate this thread.

409 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:09pm

re: #322 Sharmuta

I just gave you your 20,000th karmic point!

Thanks. I guess it's a sign that some folks around here value my contributions. :)

410 brookly red  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #391 subsailor68

Well for all you folks braggin' about hard work and starting as little kids, I want you to know I started workin' so early I cut my own umbilical cord.

So there.

;-)


you had an umbilical cord? I had to catch my own food...

411 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:34pm

re: #401 DaddyG

I had to beat a whole pack of swimmers to fertilize the egg. So there!

Oh yeah? I started so early the other swimmers didn't even bother to show up!

412 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:40pm

re: #402 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Shuld we clipper off now?

if you do make sure you come bark later...

413 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:51pm

re: #408 Unakite

I've been trying to channel my thoughts for a good response, but have not been very successful. I harbor no grudges and will continue to navigate this thread.

Aww. That was a-dory-ble.

414 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #404 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty much, yes.

Sometimes it sucks having to baby-sit our representatives but, that's our job.

415 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:04pm

how do you inspire people to understand what is best and encourage them to vote out pols working against their best interest?...the pressure has to come from somewhere...Doolittles Raid didn't bring down Japan but it sure sent a dire warning and rallied the American people to war...

416 kingkenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:05pm

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

417 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:11pm

re: #407 nyc redneck

they've got their fingers in the wind.
they know this preference given to moslems won't sit well w/ most american citizens.
it's affirmative action for islam.
people should be recruited based on talent not religion.
also why does hussein want to coddle moslems anyway?

Why bother assembling a list? He's got plenty of muslims in Gitmo that need job placement and a place to live. Why not use them in the administration and house them in the West Wing?

/

418 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:28pm

I am knot going to continue with this nonsense...

419 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:32pm

re: #390 Ward Cleaver

I'm pretty sure heart attacks are the #1 cause of death of firefighters on duty.

420 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #405 turn

re: #358 Lincolntf

Yes. Conversely, shouldn't there have be a modest increase in intelligence since the advent of the c-section then? Seriously, those scientists are trying to separate the fly shit from the pepper IMO.

I think it's valuable from the standpoint that you can retrospectively correlate the increasing brain size, and therefore intelligence, of humans with increased pelvic width in women. At least, I assume you could.

421 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:28:56pm

re: #399 Salamantis

Live Blog of the Texas State Board of Education Meeting, Friday, 2009 March 27

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Guess I'll tune in and see how things evolve.

;-)

422 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:15pm

re: #418 WindHorse

I am knot going to continue with this nonsense...

I think we are only a quarter of the way through.

423 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Good grief.

424 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #332 LGoPs

I give up. I harbor no ill will if the rest of you go on...

Dammit. Beat me to it.

425 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.

426 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:02pm

re: #418 WindHorse

I am knot going to continue with this nonsense...

That's f...rigging good

427 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:06pm

I think there is avast conspiracy here...

428 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #422 Ford_Prefect

I think we are only a quarter of the way through.

we've only drawn and quartered you say? I'll be keelhauled!

429 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:26pm

re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.

I assure you, somewhere, someone is.

430 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:34pm

re: #403 MandyManners

How's it going?

There have been some successes, but it's a mixed bag...

431 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Balanced budget amendments have not worked in the states; they will not work in Congress.

There are no quick or easy or automatic fixes to bad or corrupt government. If passing a law could make it so, things would be peachy already. That's not how it works.

The only thing to do is vote the bastards who betray their trust out of office. Repeat as needed. It's a grueling, messy, never-ending business--just like the rest of life.

When I was called yesterday for some poll on the upcoming California ballot budget issues, they asked me to rate about fifteen different one-line (long line!) arguments in favor, all along the lines of, "This bill will make sure the legislature never does a bad thing again." I rated them all about two or three out of ten.

The proposition about the lottery, that it will be restructured to "finally fulfill its promise to education", ahem, after the state borrows billions against its future revenues - I rated at zero.

432 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:04pm

but I, I am afraid, may be at the bitter end...

433 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:04pm

re: #428 DaddyG

we've only drawn and quartered you say? I'll be keelhauled!

well, maybe we have come about half way.

434 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:27pm
435 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:31pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

I'm not surprised that big-eared prick is making political hay out of this.

436 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.

Well, they didn't send the corps of engineers to build up the levees and they had 8 years to do it.

//

437 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Obama's an ignorant idiot. The Red River floods as easily as New Orleans. Happens damn near every spring, some just worse than others. He conveniently forgets that 12 years ago was another terrible spring along the Red River, just downriver from Fargo in Grand Forks. It's not supposed to be close to that record up in Grand Forks.

438 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #424 Unakite

Dammit. Beat me to it.

Is ok. You were late to the thread...
:)

439 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:01pm

(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)

440 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:08pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Thanks for posting that link, someone here commented on it earlier by I didn't search for a link. Now isn't this just a stunningly brilliant scientific observation?

“If you look at the flooding that’s going on right now in North Dakota and you say to yourself, ‘If you see an increase of 2 degrees, what does that do, in terms of the situation there?’

441 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #430 Salamantis

There have been some successes, but it's a mixed bag...

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Well, my toes 'cause I cannot type with crossed fingers.

442 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:18pm

re: #431 itellu3times

I've gotten those types of polls. I always suspect they're really testing which biased, warm and fuzzy wording is most effective, not your actual opinion on the question at hand.

443 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:26pm

re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm surprised people aren't blaming the flood on Bush and Cheney.

I'm afraid to check with Shep on Fox about the flooding. Bush and Cheney won't come out looking very good.

444 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:36pm

re: #431 itellu3times

When I was called yesterday for some poll on the upcoming California ballot budget issues, they asked me to rate about fifteen different one-line (long line!) arguments in favor, all along the lines of, "This bill will make sure the legislature never does a bad thing again." I rated them all about two or three out of ten.

The proposition about the lottery, that it will be restructured to "finally fulfill its promise to education", ahem, after the state borrows billions against its future revenues - I rated at zero.

I'm planning on voting no on all of them, not sure what good it will do though.

445 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:41pm

re: #439 WindHorse

(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)

I guess you will have to sub-mit then.

446 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:41pm

re: #433 Ford_Prefect

well, maybe we have come about half way.

It is a slow news day. I've prepared to be bored-ed.

447 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #412 LGoPs

if you do make sure you come bark later...

I don't know. What with all these puns, threads get really bloated.

*thinking*

Aw, whotthehell, let's let the Bulgine Run.

448 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:32:52pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?

449 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:16pm

re: #437 Honorary Yooper

Obama's an ignorant idiot.

Rotating title? heh.

450 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:17pm

please... please... no moor!

451 _remembertonyc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:20pm

watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.

has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.

452 gregg  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:27pm

So as I sit here "working" from home, the movie 48 Hours is on TV. That movie came out in 1982 - twenty seven years ago. Damn, do I feel old!

453 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:33:47pm

re: #450 WindHorse

please... please... no moor!

I was going to say something scimitar.

454 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:06pm

Brothers At War Movie.

Has anyone seen this film? It is not playing in my area. The nearest theater that is hosting is more than 80 miles from home.

Roger Ebert's Review

455 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:07pm

re: #420 doppelganglander

Maybe, but there are overriding factors like the improvement in health, higher standard of living, and better nutrition that make more of a difference.

456 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:09pm

re: #434 buzzsawmonkey

Not quite. There is always the possibility of making enough people care.

The first step is to realize that there are never any automatic quick fixes. None. Ever. The Divine Right of Kings is a bust because automatic inheritance of a position regardless of ability is a terrible way to run a country. The institution of "automatic" strictures like a balanced budget amendment is a bust, because these things are a) never followed and b) if followed, are no more elastic than the Divine Right of Kings.

If we have a balanced budget amendment, what happens if we need to go into debt to finance a war? Does the Congress ignore the amendment? Or do we draft a war contingency into the amendment, which provides a reason to suspend the amendment perpetually by keeping a low-level conflict going somewhere?

The Founders surely knew the value of thrift, and balanced budgets--yet they chose to exclude such a provision from the Constitution. If we bow to their wisdom in other areas, as we rightly do, we should recognize it here.

The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.

You Brutus, you!

457 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:09pm

re: #423 Taqiyyotomist

Good grief.

I'd rather it was good-bye.

458 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:25pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Guess he missed the part about the unusually cold and snowy winter that caused this.

459 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:27pm
460 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #448 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?

Blame Moses

461 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:34:35pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

wow, he's not a potus or a totus,
he's a full fledged cult leader.

462 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #448 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What's he gonna do when the plague of locusts and rain of frogs hit?

Blame the burning Bush.

463 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #439 WindHorse

(some of these puns are just too hard to fathom)

Some of them are out of my league...

464 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #459 taxfreekiller

Bush caused the flooding and rain.
Bush caused the blizzard.

Obama pulls the sun out of hiding each day.

What else is the msm reporting today.

Where does he stick it each night?

465 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #451 _remembertonyc

watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.

has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.

Good point. I think the media is just confused when they see the families, neighbors, friends, school kids, and just about any citizen who can lift a shovel filling their own sandbags and building their own levees.

Hey media! Wanna know what ya call those folks?

Americans!

466 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:35:40pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Where have we heard we shouldn't confuse weather with climate change? That's what we hear every time Algore speaks during a blizzard.

467 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #458 KenJen

Guess he missed the part about the unusually cold and snowy winter that caused this.

That's a great point - more snow and ice means more melt and runoff in the spring. So global warming would actually help...

468 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:27pm

re: #466 jcm

It was ManBearPig! I told you he was real!

469 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:32pm

Obama Fatigue: One Marine's View
—Ace

I'm tired.

I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth around" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy or stupid to earn it.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

470 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:34pm

re: #464 MandyManners

Where does he stick it each night?

More important, does Michelle moon him?

471 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #463 LGoPs

yeah, maybe just a little bitt...

472 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #466 jcm

Where have we heard we shouldn't confuse weather with climate change? That's what we hear every time Algore speaks during a blizzard.

I've been awaiting Gore's ability to stop the weather from changing.

473 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:00pm

re: #434 buzzsawmonkey

The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.

... that we are underlings.

Harumph.

474 _remembertonyc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #465 subsailor68

Good point. I think the media is just confused when they see the families, neighbors, friends, school kids, and just about any citizen who can lift a shovel filling their own sandbags and building their own levees.

Hey media! Wanna know what ya call those folks?

Americans!


ding ding ding ... we have a winner!

475 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:13pm
476 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:16pm

re: #470 Ford_Prefect

More important, does Michelle moon him?

*whack*

HAVE MERCY!

477 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #468 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was ManBearPig! I told you he was real!

So then, I guess we have to nuke our imagination then?

478 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:31pm

re: #454 Piglet-U93

Brothers At War Movie.

Has anyone seen this film? It is not playing in my area. The nearest theater that is hosting is more than 80 miles from home.

Roger Ebert's Review

I've heard good things. Gary Sinse produced it.

479 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:34pm

re: #453 Ford_Prefect

I was going to say something scimitar.

That makes me feel melancholy.
*Scythe*

480 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #389 doppelganglander

That's the interesting part. The development of the world (while obviously a good thing) has separated us from our natural genetic progressions. Since natural progressions have no "plan" and the most profound advances/declines are often random in nature, it makes the 1+1=2 formula of popular evolutionary thought somewhat useless in looking at modern human evolution.
I have every book ever written by Stephen Jay Gould and I'm about to start flipping through the indices to see if he addressed this subject specifically. He wasn't a huge fan of humans, so I suppose this topic might be in one of his discourses on vermiculture or bivalves. I'd trust SJG over pretty much any other source, no matter if he's a bit outdated.
If I find anything funky, I'll post it.

481 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:50pm

re: #434 buzzsawmonkey

well I'm bummed...people have to be smacked up somehow to come to their senses...I believe in the power of the vote but we need some vehicle, some mechanism to enlighten the droolers...there has to be an angle that will stun them to back to reality

482 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #476 MandyManners

*whack*

HAVE MERCY!

Ouch!

*rubs side of face.

483 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:07pm

So, Dorothy's throwing a pail of water on the Witch didn't melt her?

484 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:20pm

All of the farting cows in North Dakota have caused this terrible climate change and flooding.

Thus sayeth The One

485 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:35pm

re: #479 LGoPs

That makes me feel melancholy.
*Scythe*

Come on, buckler up.

486 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #484 DaddyG

You just wait, he will.

487 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:39:02pm

re: #478 jcm

I've heard good things. Gary Sinse produced it.

Wow, A movie I can actually go see.

488 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:30pm

re: #442 doppelganglander

I've gotten those types of polls. I always suspect they're really testing which biased, warm and fuzzy wording is most effective, not your actual opinion on the question at hand.

A "push poll".

I've gotten some of those, and hung up on them as soon as it became clear. This seemed legit. I like to take polls to see if they're well-constructed, and this one was.

(they even claimed that others would be given a chance to evaluate arguments against, so they seemed a little paranoid about being taken as a push poll)

Heck, I'll even sit through a push poll, to see how it's constructed, if it isn't too obnoxious - but it usually is.

Also, if a poll is obviously amateur or really badly built, I'll hang up in the middle, leaving some poor wage-slave minus his dollar completion bonus. So it goes.

489 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:40pm

EU urges Netanyahu to employ 2-state solution
PM-designate warned that 'relations will become very difficult' unless he commits to US-backed plan
Reuters
Published: 03.27.09, 21:51 / Israel News
The European Union warned Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday that EU ties with his country would suffer if he did not accept Palestinian calls for statehood.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

So much for negotiation? Gee that's so democratic of the EU? Hell I guess it's only Jewish lives at stake.

490 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:45pm

re: #451 _remembertonyc

re: #451 _remembertonyc

watching the scenes in north dakota, i can't help but notice the difference in activity vs. what we saw during katrina.

has anyone else noticed a change in tone? the media doesn't seem to be hammering Obama's FEMA for its inability to change the course of nature as was expected of Bush's FEMA back in 2005.

I heard that "you're doing a heck of a job brownie" sound bite on Chrissie's show the other day. They are still hounding Bush.

491 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #485 Ford_Prefect

Come on, buckler up.

You have a really rapier wit...

492 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:40:52pm
493 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:08pm

Testing new Avatar..sorry

494 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:26pm
495 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:39pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

Testing new Avatar..sorry

I love it!

496 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:42pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

Testing new Avatar..sorry

I like it. Your son?

497 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:41:50pm

re: #456 MandyManners

You Brutus, you!

Cassius.

498 tfc3rid  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:15pm

re: #489 Nevergiveup

Eh, just another fantastic day in European Union history!

499 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #497 itellu3times

Cassius.

Clay?

500 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:19pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

Testing new Avatar..sorry

What Victory, bought by our finest looks like!

HOORAH!
HOORAH!
HOORAH!

501 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:47pm

re: #459 taxfreekiller

Bush caused the flooding and rain.
Bush caused the blizzard.

Obama pulls the sun out of hiding each day.

What else is the msm reporting today.

I don't know, but I wish they were reporting Obama pulls his head out of his ass each day instead.

502 _remembertonyc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:42:52pm

re: #490 turn

re: #451 _remembertonyc


I heard that "you're doing a heck of a job brownie" sound bite on Chrissie's show the other day. They are still hounding Bush.

Bush looks like George Washington compared to the crew from amateur hour in Obama's administration.

503 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #358 Lincolntf

Seems to me we could check pelvic size for several generations back. Does that help any? Is it correlated with birth canal size?

504 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:22pm

re: #334 Taqiyyotomist

I do think this is quite alarming, though, but you knew that. You seem to be saying there's nothing to worry about regarding slavery (or any other euphamism for it) "in the bill" while acknowledging that there is language which purports to set up a commission to study the feasability and planning for exactly that, "in the bill". I think the latter is terrifying, if the former is.

I didn't say anything like "there's nothing to worry about." The only point I made is that the bill does NOT enact mandatory service, and that more than a few bloggers are jumping to erroneous conclusions, based on dishonest stories at infowars.com and WND -- both of which I've seen linked at blogs as sources for this overheated fantasy.

Far too many people are going off half-cocked on this one. Is it something to worry about? Maybe if it gets to the stage where they actually try to pass such a law, but America has had a military draft before, and it didn't destroy the nation.

And I seriously doubt that the army of slackers who voted for Obama are going to be down with any kind of mandatory service. If they tried to pass something like that, there would be a very loud outcry against it from both sides of the political aisle.

I don't see any valid comparison between this and an imaginary "Intelligent Design Department."

505 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:34pm

re: #444 Lee Coller

I'm planning on voting no on all of them, not sure what good it will do though.

I will probably vote yes on all but the lottery one, though with great reservations, but I haven't actually seen the text yet, as I kept emphasizing to the polltaker.

506 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:38pm

re: #490 turn

re: #451 _remembertonyc

I heard that "you're doing a heck of a job brownie" sound bite on Chrissie's show the other day. They are still hounding Bush.

MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living

507 SusanL  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:56pm

I live in liberal land and don't dare say this out loud:

I hate Barack Obama.

My hatred has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but his lack of character.

He is going to destroy everything that we have built over the last 230 years, just because he can. I am glad my parents didn't live to see this. They sacrificed and served in WWII to save us from this crap, and he is gleefully,nay joyously ushering it in.

508 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:43:57pm

re: #496 Nevergiveup

I like it. Your son?


Yes...Guess I need to refresh to see it..

509 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #506 albusteve

MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living

Up there, it's called "winter". It lasts till July.

510 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #492 MandyManners

I can't access YouTube from here at work, but it that's "Sunny Afternoon," tahk you! One of my favorite Kinks songs.

511 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:44:47pm

re: #409 lawhawk

Thanks. I guess it's a sign that some folks around here value my contributions. :)

You bet we do- you're one of my favorites. :)

512 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:45:03pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

Testing new Avatar..sorry

Very nice HH.

513 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:10pm

re: #506 albusteve

MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living

43" houses in MI? Tiny people, I guess.

514 aggieann  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:40pm

re: #384 Ford_Prefect

We do brig out the best in people.

Yaw sure do, in aweigh.

515 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #415 albusteve

how do you inspire people to understand what is best and encourage them to vote out pols working against their best interest?...the pressure has to come from somewhere...Doolittles Raid didn't bring down Japan but it sure sent a dire warning and rallied the American people to war...

I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.

516 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #509 Honorary Yooper

Up there, it's called "winter". It lasts till July.

they don't even know who FEMA is...tough sob's up there

517 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:09pm

re: #513 debutaunt

43" houses in MI? Tiny people, I guess.

may a 43" bizzard blow up yer nose...

518 bloodnok  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:28pm

re: #492 MandyManners

The taxman's taken all my dough.

Kinky! I love it!

519 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:48:37pm

OK, I am off. Perhaps we will cross paths this weekend, perhaps not. Either way, I wish you all a pleasant and safe two days.

Later Lizards!

*Walks off with towel over the shoulder, electronic thumb blinking and a pan galactic gargleblaster in his hand; ok, weaves off...

520 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #497 itellu3times

Cassius.

Clay.

521 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:24pm

re: #519 Ford_Prefect

So long, Ford. And, thanks for all the fish.

522 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #499 Nevergiveup

Clay?

Shit. Beat me to it.

523 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:40pm

re: #520 MandyManners

Clay.

Aiken.

524 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:49:46pm

re: #502 _remembertonyc

Bush looks like George Washington compared to the crew from amateur hour in Obama's administration.

Wouldn't it be great to be a fly on the wall at his house when the topic of the O comes up? I wish we could have him back.

525 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #434 buzzsawmonkey

Not quite. There is always the possibility of making enough people care.

The first step is to realize that there are never any automatic quick fixes. None. Ever. The Divine Right of Kings is a bust because automatic inheritance of a position regardless of ability is a terrible way to run a country. The institution of "automatic" strictures like a balanced budget amendment is a bust, because these things are a) never followed and b) if followed, are no more elastic than the Divine Right of Kings.

If we have a balanced budget amendment, what happens if we need to go into debt to finance a war? Does the Congress ignore the amendment? Or do we draft a war contingency into the amendment, which provides a reason to suspend the amendment perpetually by keeping a low-level conflict going somewhere?

The Founders surely knew the value of thrift, and balanced budgets--yet they chose to exclude such a provision from the Constitution. If we bow to their wisdom in other areas, as we rightly do, we should recognize it here.

The fault lies not in our Constitution, but in ourselves.

1) you can't make people care. What's your plan to try to get people to care?

2) the amendment allows for a 3/5 vote to allow for deficit spending, I assume for such unforeseen matters as a war or disaster.

3) I think perhaps the Founders thought the people elected to represent us would know better than to spend our futures into oblivion. They also were smart enough to give us a provision to amend the Constitution as we saw fit.

526 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:26pm

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

527 UFO TOFU  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:27pm

A quote for the day:

"The congressional majority's handling of the 'stimulus' -- particularly in forcing votes before the conference report could even be read -- evoked the last days of the Roman Republic, with a legislature abdicating governing responsibility to an all-powerful executive. At the least, the rank and file of both parties should insist on proper legislative procedures when the budget is considered, so that every legislator (or his staff) has time to read the budget before every vote."
528 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can't access YouTube from here at work, but it that's "Sunny Afternoon," tahk you! One of my favorite Kinks songs.

It sure is!

Even when it's raining and snowing, the sun is still shining. We just can't see it.

529 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:17pm

re: #517 albusteve

may a 43" bizzard blow up yer nose...

The next line have a hose in it?

530 SusanL  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #524 turn


AMEN!

My favorite thought along those lines: Obama realized just out out of his league he is and he begs W to return.

Hey, a girl can dream.

S

531 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #522 MandyManners

Shit. Beat me to it.

Well it is sports related and all?

532 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:54pm

re: #520 MandyManners

Clay.

Honkey.

533 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:51:59pm

What passes for sanity in Blue Seattle.

Homeowner plants trees on city property

Not too long ago, the Queen Anne resident put in three beautiful thundercloud trees on a strip of turf right in front of her home.

[snip]

The land actually belongs to the parks department, and they want Tammara to get rid of her trees, even though the city gave her a permit to plant them.

[snip]

But Tammara has another opinion about the use of city funds here: "It really upsets me because you think, gosh, when all is said and done, they could have fed people at a homeless shelter or reallocated the money in a way that's more useful. This just seems wasteful."

And Seattle wonders why they have budget shortfalls.

534 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:08pm

re: #526 DaddyG

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

Oh the inhumanity. It was all George Bush's fault that FEMA ran out of lutfisk.

//

535 tfc3rid  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:10pm

re: #515 Sharmuta

I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.

I agree it will definitely get people talking... That's NEVER a bad thing... Maybe it will educate...

536 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #532 debutaunt

Honkey.

Dead Honkey!

-Richard Pryor

537 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #515 Sharmuta

I sort of thought proposing this amendment again might get people talking about this obviously important issue. Government simply must become more fiscally responsible.

well I refuse to give up...there is action we can take and solutions to all of it, history proves it to be so...I still think it is an excellent idea and really it's a whole new ball game...who knows what may become of it?...provisions could be written for exceptions, like war or disaster...maybe I'm naive

538 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:42pm

re: #523 fat bastard vegetarian

I refrained.

539 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:49pm

re: #526 DaddyG

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

Lutheran Casserole?

540 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #518 bloodnok

Kinky! I love it!

I have this playing now.

541 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:52:53pm

I liked the title of that book "we're all just a bunch of bozos in a bus"

542 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:05pm

re: #506 albusteve

MIs upper peninsula got a 44" snow fall that literally buried houses, totally shut down all services and paralyzed the whole region...didn't even make the news...people just dug their way out and resumed living

Didn't fit the MSM agenda of promoting gorbal warming.

543 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:21pm

re: #523 fat bastard vegetarian

Aiken.

Breakin' heart.

544 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #538 itellu3times

I refrained.

That'd be a first.

545 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:30pm

re: #539 jcm

Lutheran Casserole?

Lutheran meatloaf.

546 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:39pm

re: #536 fat bastard vegetarian

Dead Honkey!

-Richard Pryor

Honkey-Honkey!

547 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:41pm

North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.

Chose one and send money to [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]

548 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #529 debutaunt

The next line have a hose in it?

it did...yup

549 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:53:58pm

re: #542 turn

Didn't fit the MSM agenda of promoting gorbal warming.

-sigh- Remember they can't lose. Global warming caused global cooling and any and all climate change.

550 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:01pm

re: #532 debutaunt

Honkey.

Cracker.

551 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:05pm

re: #539 jcm

Lutheran Casserole?

She was a real hot dish!

552 vagabond trader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #461 nyc redneck

He's a full fledged man caused disaster.

553 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:29pm

National and State Science Association Statements About Texas Science Standards

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Numerous national and state science associations have written letters to the Texas State Board of Education asking that the Science Standards be adopted as written by the original science panels and without unscientific amendments made by nonscientist State Board of Education members. Dozens of other national and state science associations have signed a statement asking for the same thing. This statement will be released on Wednesday, March 25, in Austin at the Texas Education Agency at an 11:30 a.m. press conference just before public testimony begins.

Several prominent scientists and science advocates will speak at the press conference, including Dr. Lawrence Krauss, Foundation Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration and the Physics Dept, Co-Director of the Cosmology Initiative, and Inaugural Director of the Origins Initiative at Arizona State University, Dr. David Hillis, University of Texas at Austin Department of Integrative Biology Professor, Dr. Ron Wetherington, Southern Methodist University Anthropology Professor and Director of the Center for Teaching Excellence, Dr. Gerald Skoog, Texas Tech University Professor and Dean Emeritus of the College of Education, Dr. Eugenie Scott, National Center for Science Education Executive Director, and Dr. Steven Schafersman, Texas Citizens for Science President.

Here are five of the letters. (These are all PDF files.)

American Association for the Advancement of Science
[Link: www.texscience.org...]

National Association of Geoscience Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]

The Paleontological Society
[Link: www.texscience.org...]

National Association of Biology Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]

Texas Association of Biology Teachers
[Link: www.texscience.org...]

554 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:35pm

re: #537 albusteve

well I refuse to give up...there is action we can take and solutions to all of it, history proves it to be so...I still think it is an excellent idea and really it's a whole new ball game...who knows what may become of it?...provisions could be written for exceptions, like war or disaster...maybe I'm naive

It already contains a provision for deficit spending- it requires a 3/5 vote by both houses. Why would we propose an amendment like this without a provision for an emergency? That would be folly.

555 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:40pm

re: #547 lifeofthemind

North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.

Chose one and send money to [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]

5. George Bush

556 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:52pm

re: #550 MandyManners

Cracker.

Redneck

557 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:54:56pm

re: #544 fat bastard vegetarian

No, I often frain, and then stop.

558 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:13pm

These conspiracies on right wing blogs are planted there by George Soros!
/conspiracy theory

559 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:13pm

I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?

560 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #555 Hengineer

5. George Bush

6. Luap Nor

561 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:34pm

re: #558 Killgore Trout

These conspiracies on right wing blogs are planted there by George Soros!
/conspiracy theory

Nicely twisted!

562 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:45pm

re: #550 MandyManners

Cracker.

He was just hilarious!

563 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:55:46pm

re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian

I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?

For Lizards it's Honco!

564 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian

I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?

Well what do you expect from a group of...

...er?

565 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #560 DaddyG

6. Luap Nor

7. Ron Paul + 50,000 votes

566 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:27pm

The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?

567 Buck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #555 Hengineer
re: #547 lifeofthemind

North Dakota flooding is caused by:
1. Global Warming
2. Global Cooling
3. Corporate Greed
4. White man's raping of Native American sacred lands.

Chose one and send money to [Link: [Link: www.dnc.sucka.org...]...]

5. George Bush

5. George Bush

1 & 2...CLIMATE CHANGE...

568 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:56:58pm

re: #563 jcm

For Lizards it's Honco!

That still sounds like a front company for Ron Popeil to me.

"New from Honco - the LizardMatic rotating title generator!"

569 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:00pm

re: #559 fat bastard vegetarian

I think we're spelling Honkey wrong. Ain't it "Honky"?

Which 'we' are you talkin' about, you fat bastard?

570 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:13pm

re: #547 lifeofthemind

Too much water?

571 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:15pm

Octomom is a secret government experiment to rapidly breed and army of liberals. She didn't give birth until Rove was out of the way.

572 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #526 DaddyG

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

Soon Kanye West will say, 'I guess Obama doesn't like Lutheran people."

573 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:35pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

It already contains a provision for deficit spending- it requires a 3/5 vote by both houses. Why would we propose an amendment like this without a provision for an emergency? That would be folly.

I booked your link and have not read it yet, just surfed over it...I was responding to Buzz's arguments

574 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #566 Sharmuta

The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?

They ran out of fractions after that 3/5 thing.

575 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:42pm

Source: Ex-Miss. governor to get Navy post nod
By Emily Wagster Pettus - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Mar 27, 2009 13:03:55 EDT
JACKSON, Miss. — President Barack Obama will nominate former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus to be secretary of the Navy, a person familiar with the discussions told The Associated Press on Friday.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Mabus served in the Navy from 1970-72 as a surface warfare officer on the Newport, R.I.-based cruiser Little Rock. Before then, he was in the Naval ROTC while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Mississippi.

Hardly a great resume for Sec of Navy? Anyone know this guy?

576 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:57:45pm

re: #569 debutaunt

Which 'we' are you talkin' about, you fat bastard?

What do you mean, "you people"?

577 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #541 Hengineer

I liked the title of that book "we're all just a bunch of bozos in a under the bus"

578 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:16pm

re: #530 SusanL

AMEN!

My favorite thought along those lines: Obama realized just out out of his league he is and he begs W to return.

Hey, a girl can dream.

S

Dream on girl. I bet the market would go up 1000 points on that day and the MSM would actually be so relieved they got a re-do they wouldn't bash him any more. Hey, your avatar looks like my old Sam cat.

579 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:50pm

re: #568 DaddyG

That still sounds like a front company for Ron Popeil to me.

"New from Honco - the LizardMatic rotating title generator!"

New from Honco -- The Showtime Trolltisserie

580 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #578 turn

Dream on girl. I bet the market would go up 1000 points on that day and the MSM would actually be so relieved they got a re-do they wouldn't bash him any more. Hey, your avatar looks like my old Sam cat.

Romney

581 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:55pm

re: #567 Buck

re: #547 lifeofthemind

1 & 2...CLIMATE CHANGE...

8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.

582 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:58:55pm

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Area 57 comes into this somewhere.

/No, not Area 51; the aliens took that over.

583 Buck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:04pm

Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"

Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.

584 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #574 itellu3times

4/3rds of people are bad at fractions.

585 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #566 Sharmuta

The Founders also didn't see fit to grant women the vote- does that mean it was a bad idea to guarantee women's suffrage?

Out of the mouth of a babe...;~)

/J/K! PLEEZEdon'tkill me!

586 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:16pm

re: #570 fat bastard vegetarian

Too much water?

That answer is all wet

587 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #584 fat bastard vegetarian

4/3rds of people are bad at fractions.

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

588 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:00:57pm

re: #549 Hengineer

-sigh- Remember they can't lose. Global warming caused global cooling and any and all climate change.

Seriously, they're calling it climate change now just in case it goes either way (which it has throughout time immortal)

589 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:01:06pm

re: #583 Buck

Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"

Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.

Well Bush wanted to actually kill them, Obama wants to "fund" them to death ( 1.5 billion to our pals the Pakistanians?).

590 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #588 turn

Seriously, they're calling it climate change now just in case it goes either way (which it has throughout time immortal)

I took it as a sign they knew they were losing the argument. Skeptics call it natural climate change, they co-opted the term .

591 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:20pm

re: #575 Nevergiveup

Source: Ex-Miss. governor to get Navy post nod
By Emily Wagster Pettus - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Mar 27, 2009 13:03:55 EDT
JACKSON, Miss. — President Barack Obama will nominate former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus to be secretary of the Navy, a person familiar with the discussions told The Associated Press on Friday.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Mabus served in the Navy from 1970-72 as a surface warfare officer on the Newport, R.I.-based cruiser Little Rock. Before then, he was in the Naval ROTC while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Mississippi.

Hardly a great resume for Sec of Navy? Anyone know this guy?

The last candidate I heard about was deemed qualified because he
1. Ran the Intrepid nautical museum, did a good job apparently
2. was gay

592 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #504 Charles

I hear you, and I also wish people would read more at the source. Too many people are treating the news like a chain-email, and it gets twisted along the way.

The ID reference was a hypothetical analogy. I picked something you'd likely be worried about, and made a hypothetical scenario wherein the Congress passes a bill with language not actually "setting up" an ID department, but merely setting up a commission to study the feasability and planning of an ID department. The hypotheical analogy is furthered as I asked what you would say if I dismissed it saying there was no language setting up an ID department. The analogy is apt, I think.

593 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:02:52pm

I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.

594 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:03:05pm

I guess Ford_Prefect must have gone to launch...

595 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:03:16pm

re: #526 DaddyG

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

It was either that or lutefisk...

596 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:00pm

re: #570 fat bastard vegetarian

Too much water?

Thank you for giving me 4,000 on my Karma
I would like to thank the Academy and all the Little People too.

597 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #591 lifeofthemind

The last candidate I heard about was deemed qualified because he
1. Ran the Intrepid nautical museum, did a good job apparently
2. was gay

Oh Yeah, I remember that.

598 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:18pm

The Down ended down again.

599 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #594 WindHorse

I guess Ford_Prefect must have gone to launch...

I think he's having a peanut butter and jetty sandwich.

600 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:04:58pm

I don't get these "Climate Change" complaints. I thought "Change" was a good thing.

/

601 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:11pm

re: #596 lifeofthemind

Thank you for giving me 4,000 on my Karma
I would like to thank the Academy and all the Little People too.

You love me..you really really love me!
/Salley Fields

602 aggieann  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #526 DaddyG

CNN just reported crowds of Lutherans huddled in the metro-dome to escape the snow and flood waters have started to cannibalize each other.

//

Well, it was either that or dig into another casserole.

603 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:18pm

It's been a while since I listened to Stuck Mojo's Southern Born Killer. "Prelude to Anger" is a recording of the transmissions from 9-11 as one jet turned eastward. "There's a bomb on board."

604 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.

If the Whigs had had their way, neither could I, I'm only 27, and I don't own any land.

605 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:44pm

re: #599 LGoPs

I think he's having a peanut butter and jetty sandwich.

That'll tide him over.

606 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:45pm

re: #560 DaddyG

6. Luap Nor

7. Karl Rove (that magnificent bastard)

607 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #507 SusanL

I live in liberal land and don't dare say this out loud:

I hate Barack Obama.

My hatred has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but his lack of character.

He is going to destroy everything that we have built over the last 230 years, just because he can. I am glad my parents didn't live to see this. They sacrificed and served in WWII to save us from this crap, and he is gleefully,nay joyously ushering it in.


i was thinking how o said 'america is no longer the country it once could be.'
or some such shite.
from day one he has been out to destroy our country. remake us.
he constantly tears down america. as does wab and all the other scum bags in his circle.
but he can't point to one country or form of gov't that has existed anywhere, at any time, that is better than what our founding fathers created in their brilliance.
o is such an arrogant thug, he thinks he is smarter than thomas jefferson, or
george washington or ben franklin. and he thinks he has a better plan than the
u.s. constitution.
i'm just praying for the moment when people wake up
and realize their country is worth preserving.

608 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:06:11pm

re: #581 lifeofthemind

8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.

Talk about your moral equivalence.

609 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:06:21pm

re: #583 Buck

Obama vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the "Talee-ban"

Unlike Bush who only wanted to defeat them.

The Taleeban have entered a different world. There is a new Sheriff in town & he is kickin ass & takin names. Obama is a whole other thing for them. Just wait until he sends them strongly worded letters.

610 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:20pm

re: #600 Lee Coller

I don't get these "Climate Change" complaints. I thought "Change" was a good thing.

/

Only if by change you mean a Democrat in the White House.

611 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:21pm

re: #609 opnion

The Taleeban have entered a different world. There is a new Sheriff in town & he is kickin ass & takin names. Obama is a whole other thing for them. Just wait until he sends them strongly worded letters.

With money stuffed inside like my grandmother used to do?

612 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:07:25pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

I'm not going to vote anymore. It's not my place. It wasn't granted to me by the Founders. Not in the original Constitution.

The founders put in place a method to change the Constitution. Not Congressional fiat, Executive Order, or Judaical Activism are legitimate.

The Amendment process insures that Amendments to the Constitution are well considered, and allow for the Constitution to be changed when it's needed.

The Amendment process is the founders intent. Following the founders intent the 19th Amendment was included in the Constitution.

You vote is covered and is in keeping with Originalist Intent.

613 quickjustice  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:09pm

Pectoral appendages. She's from Minnesota, so I just call them the Twins. Whatever.

614 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:15pm

re: #581 lifeofthemind

8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.

9. Mickey Mouse

615 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning

Thar he blows!

616 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:07pm

re: #604 Hengineer

The Founders gave us a mechanism by which to amend the Constitution so that we could make corrections when the law was found lacking. They were wise to make it a difficult hurdle to clear, but obviously the fact the mechanism exists tells me they realized that in the future, changes might need to be made. I think Washington's inability to control spending is just such a case.

617 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:07pm

re: #611 Nevergiveup

With money stuffed inside like my grandmother used to do?

Well ,he has to get those fists unclenched.

618 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #581 lifeofthemind

8. Human caused disaster.
It's a nuclear bomb, it's a flood, it's a Savings and Loan scandal, we treat them all the same.

if you are wearing lead to protect you from radiation you'll sink in the flood you dumbass

619 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:20pm

re: #612 jcm

The founders put in place a method to change the Constitution. Not Congressional fiat, Executive Order, or Judaical Activism are legitimate.

No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?

heh.

620 Cygnus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:39pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

If a phobia is a irrational fear, what do you call a it when the fear is rational?

Common sense - like not voting for Obama.

621 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:41pm

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Octomom is a secret government experiment to rapidly breed and army of liberals. She didn't give birth until Rove was out of the way.

If there is a correlation between intelligence and the size of the birth canal, you sure ought to be able to measure it between her first and eighth child.

622 spaceman  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:52pm

re: #403 MandyManners

More good than not. Most of the variations of "strengths and weaknesses" or "sufficiency and insufficiency" phrasing is being cut. The originally offending amendments are generally being kept, however with the much preferable "analyze and evaluate", sometimes with the modifier "scientific explanations" added.

It is not ideal, and many of the phrasings are becoming overly complicated. But, I think it is OK so far. In fact, the YEC faction may be surprised to realize after the fact how much MORE detail on evolutionary biology via genetics and the fossil record they are causing to be placed into the textbooks to satisfy the need for specific evaluation of topics which they consider "controversial".

623 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #609 opnion


And don't forget those teleprompter-guided Scathing denunciations...

624 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:03pm

re: #619 Salamantis

No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?

heh.

You are very ecucomical.

625 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:21pm
626 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:28pm

re: #612 jcm

I was being completely tongue in cheek there. As much as I respect buzzsaw, I think that aspect of his argument is weak, and I utterly reject it.

627 yochanan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:28pm

re: #550 MandyManners

Cracker.

snow girl

628 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:40pm

re: #580 Hengineer

Yes, or Newt.

629 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:45pm

Obama's cap / trade and green jobs policy will actually make global warming worse by driving industry to non-CO2 regulated states (China and India).

As a case study, Spain spent a ton of money on creating "green jobs" which drove up energy costs. The costs wound up driving jobs to South Africa and the USA (according to one large steel producer).

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

And: the Spanish experiment lost 2 jobs for every "green job" created.

630 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #616 Sharmuta

The Founders gave us a mechanism by which to amend the Constitution so that we could make corrections when the law was found lacking. They were wise to make it a difficult hurdle to clear, but obviously the fact the mechanism exists tells me they realized that in the future, changes might need to be made. I think Washington's inability to control spending is just such a case.

The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.

631 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:10pm

re: #619 Salamantis

No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?

heh.

re: #619 Salamantis

No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?

heh.

It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!

632 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:21pm

re: #630 Hengineer

The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.

We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.

633 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:45pm

Even Alexis De Toqueville predicted many moons ago that the US democracy would bankrupt itself, once people figured out that they could get government freebies by voting in legislators who would rape the national treasury to dole out public largesse.

634 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:11:51pm

re: #631 jcm

It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!

Quaker Activists! Quaker Extremists! The world is going to Heck!

635 fat bastard vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:22pm

re: #634 Hengineer

Quaker Activists! Quaker Extremists! The world is going to Heck!

Watch thy blue language, sir.

636 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:31pm

re: #628 turn

Yes, or Newt.

There's some guy named Newt who has had Winston Churchill's "The Wilderness Years" checked out of the Altanta library all winter.

/

637 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #488 itellu3times

I get a lot of polls, political as well as marketing, for some reason. Like you, I like to analyze them. That can be very frustrating for the poor kid on the other end who isn't allowed to go off script. I worked in telephone market research years and years ago, so it's fun for me.

638 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:41pm

re: #623 Fenway_Nation

And don't forget those teleprompter-guided Scathing denunciations...

Oh man , good call! The Talleeban will be begging for mercy.
In the alternative they might demand to come here & get welfare.

639 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:12:50pm

re: #416 kingkenrod

Obama finds another crisis he won't let go to waste:

Obama says flooding serves as warning


“If you look at the flooding that’s going on right now in North Dakota and you say to yourself, ‘If you see an increase of 2 degrees, what does that do, in terms of the situation there?’ that indicates the degree to which we have to take this seriously,” he said.

Maybe the fucking sandbags won't freeze

640 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #626 Sharmuta

I was being completely tongue in cheek there. As much as I respect buzzsaw, I think that aspect of his argument is weak, and I utterly reject it.

Kinda thought so. Missed upthread...

Thought I might restate what should be obvious...

641 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:16pm

Developing story here in NYC metro area: Whitestone bridge closed in both directions after major accident. A truck knocked down an overhead sign, blocking traffic in both directions. Good luck getting home tonight if you're trying to go between the Bronx and Queens.

Oh, and the accident was caused by a construction crew working on the bridge:

Shortly after 1 p.m., a boon truck driven by a MTA Bridges and Tunnels contractor struck an overhead sign on the Queensbound (southbound) plaza of the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge near the Queens anchorage, according to the MTA.

The impact took down the sign and the gantry -- the metal system that supports signs -- blocking all five lanes (three southbound and two Bronx-bound lanes, and closing the bridge in both directions.

The truck, which has a crane attached to the back, was driving near the Queens anchorage when it struck the sign.

642 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:13:18pm

re: #635 fat bastard vegetarian

Watch thy blue language, sir.

I heretofore retract mine statement sir.

643 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:07pm

re: #641 lawhawk

Developing story here in NYC metro area: Whitestone bridge closed in both directions after major accident. A truck knocked down an overhead sign, blocking traffic in both directions. Good luck getting home tonight if you're trying to go between the Bronx and Queens.

Oh, and the accident was caused by a construction crew working on the bridge:

A troubled bridge over water.

644 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:13pm

re: #621 turn

If there is a correlation between intelligence and the size of the birth canal, you sure ought to be able to measure it between her first and eighth child.

So the 8th child will be more intelligent than the 1st?

645 Buck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:15pm

re: #631 jcm

It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!

Around here I worry about the PUNish...

646 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #631 jcm

It's those Amish Activists we need to keep an eye on!


They tried to kill superman by exposing him to Mennonite!

647 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:23pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

We're fucked, okay? No one cares, and you can't make them. They don't want to care.

There is no mechanism to force Congress to stop their spending sprees. NONE. And there is nothing else you can propose that will make them except forcing them to balance the budget. Nothing.

We're fucked is what you're telling me. We're fucked.

648 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:25pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

Testing new Avatar..sorry

What a great picture!

649 subsailor68  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:40pm

re: #636 DaddyG

There's some guy named Newt who has had Winston Churchill's "The Wilderness Years" checked out of the Altanta library all winter.

/

Love it! Tried to upding, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be working for me.

650 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:14:51pm

Is it just a bug of the auto refresh that it will repeat a few comments (including yours) when you post a comment when it refreshes?

651 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #590 jcm

I took it as a sign they knew they were losing the argument. Skeptics call it natural climate change, they co-opted the term .

It's not even an argument it's scientific fact, they choose to ignore evidence that doesn't fit their agenda. This global warming hype is nothing more that a way to brain wash people to feel good about themselves for supporting cap and trade while the dems cooked up the whole scenario to bleed us dry through taxes.

652 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:20pm

re: #644 joncelli

So the 8th child will be more intelligent than the 1st?

He was smart enough to wait until he could walk out.

653 alegrias  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #632 Hengineer

We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.

re: #632 Hengineer

We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.

* * * *
Get peoples' asses out to vote first. We already have that privilege, for now. What makes you think democrats are going to support term limits now that they control all three branches of government?

Start tossing out the rotten apples in your city council, county boards, state house of representatives, etc.

654 Buck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:15:46pm

re: #647 Sharmuta

We're fucked, okay? No one cares, and you can't make them. They don't want to care.

There is no mechanism to force Congress to stop their spending sprees. NONE. And there is nothing else you can propose that will make them except forcing them to balance the budget. Nothing.

We're fucked is what you're telling me. We're fucked.

Relax, they can't spend all the money in the first two years, and there are still going to be elections...

There is a system in place to stop the government from defying the people for too long.

655 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:04pm

I've been enjoying Theresa Andersson's music quite a bit lately. She is from Sweden but immigrated to the US in 1990 and lives in New Orleans, and is active in the music scene there. She has an amazing voice and plays the violin (and other instruments as well).

Here's a couple of her homemade videos:


She uses loop pedals and DJ equipment to create entire songs by herself.

Her new release "Hummingbird, Go" is fantastic.

656 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:17pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

"If a child graduating high school in ten years is up to the educational level of a child with an eighth grade education sixty years ago, that will be a vast improvement."

So true, since my brother's daughters (high school graduates, 2007 and 2008) cannot multiply 2 times 50 and get the right answer.

657 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:18pm

Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?

658 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #632 Hengineer

We need term limits in the house AND the senate. Especially the senate.

Term limits throw out the baby with the bathwater. What we could use is a new way to set Congressional districts.

/And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

659 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:53pm

re: #654 Buck

Relax, they can't spend all the money in the first two years, and there are still going to be elections...

There is a system in place to stop the government from defying the people for too long.

And it's utterly broken. We're fucked.

660 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #643 jcm

A troubled bridge over water.

A typical NYC day.

661 alegrias  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #638 opnion

Oh man , good call! The Talleeban will be begging for mercy.
In the alternative they might demand to come here & get welfare.

* * **
Giving the Taliban green cards and carte blanche credit cards is next no doubt.

662 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:15pm
663 Cygnus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #619 Salamantis

No Judaical activism? What about Christian or Muslim activism?

heh.

Followers of Ceiling Cat activism!

664 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #613 quickjustice

Pectoral appendages. She's from Minnesota, so I just call them the Twins. Whatever.

Am I on a bood thread and didn't even know it?

665 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:42pm

re: #598 debutaunt

The Down ended down again.

/on lower volume, not a big deal

666 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #633 Salamantis

Even Alexis De Toqueville predicted many moons ago that the US democracy would bankrupt itself, once people figured out that they could get government freebies by voting in legislators who would rape the national treasury to dole out public largesse.

There was a cycle to his reasoning, in that mankind goes from Liberty to Enslavement, in stages, and then back again. The quote is out there somewhere, but I forget exactly how it goes.

667 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:15pm

re: #664 turn

Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!

668 Kragar  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:19pm

re: #663 Cygnus

Followers of Ceiling Cat activism!

Its those crazy Basement Cat Bastards you got to watch out for

669 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:18:32pm

re: #664 turn

Am I on a bood thread and didn't even know it?

These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.

670 joncelli  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #667 Taqiyyotomist

A dyslexic boob thread.

/Or would that be a dood thread?

671 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:40pm

re: #657 Sharmuta

Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?

It's called elections. And an informed electorate voting in enlightened self interest.

We now have an uninformed electorate operation in selfish self interest.

672 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:40pm

Looks like the vote isn't going well for creationist in Texas:
The Texas school board has tentatively voted to scrap a 20-year requirement that public school students discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution and Darwin's theory of the origin of life, the Houston Chronicle reports.

If adopted in a final vote today, the new science curriculum standards will take effect with the 2010-2011 school year and last a decade. The Chronicle calls the move a "setback for critics of evolution."
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

673 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #662 buzzsawmonkey

I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.

674 Cygnus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:19:46pm

re: #669 DaddyG

These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.

They are usually milked for all they're worth.

675 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:03pm

re: #671 jcm

It's called elections. And an informed electorate voting in enlightened self interest.

We now have an uninformed electorate operation in selfish self interest.

Look what elections got us.

676 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:12pm

re: #667 Taqiyyotomist

Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!

Back in the day this would be a baud thread...

677 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:17pm

re: #614 Piglet-U93

9. Mickey Mouse

10. The jooozzz!

678 alegrias  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:20:56pm

re: #673 Sharmuta

I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.



* * * *
As a last resort, use de feet.

679 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:21:28pm

You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.

680 jorline  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:21:47pm
681 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:12pm

re: #678 alegrias

* * * *
As a last resort, use de feet.

And go where?

682 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:20pm

#174 Charles

That bill does not force anyone to do anything -- please read it. It commissions a study to determine whether a mandatory service program could work, but the bill itself does not have any such mandatory service provisions in it.

This is another issue that's being distorted beyond recognition by some alarmist bloggers and WND.

Charles,

I disagree with you. I did read it. I didn't get this off a blog or website but from Fox News. Maybe forced is using hyperbole, but there is a slippery slope here. I don't think the language in this article by opponents is distorted or unreasonable. It's easy to see where this can be headed if under socialist rule as do those who disagree with Obama and his civilian volunteer force. Volunteers can be promised better grades, scholarships and stipends, assured a job after service. There is a quid pro quo here - so maybe not forced initially into service, but using a carrot on a stick; if you don't serve, well, you lose.

Aides to Miller say they are awaiting estimates from the Congressional Budget Office on how much the GIVE Act would ultimately cost. In addition to all of the funding that goes to organizations in the forms of grants and administrative costs, AmeriCorps volunteers typically receive stipends and college scholarships when they complete one of the several available programs.

For example, a participant in the National Civilian Community Corps, which is a 10-month residential commitment, now receives $4,000 in living expenses and a $4,475 in money toward school. That conceivably would increase under the new legislation. [there is a quid pro quo here - so maybe not forced initially into service, but using a carrot on a stick. Can anyone spell ACORN? - ladycatnip]

But regardless of the budget estimate, the financial benefits outweigh the cost, Racusen said.

"The millions of Americans who volunteered in 2007 generated benefits worth $158 billion," Racusen said. "A cost-benefit analysis of AmeriCorps, for example, shows that every dollar invested in the programs yields almost $4 in direct, measurable benefits. Investing in service helps low-income students achieve in school, prepares future workers for green jobs, provides assistance to veterans returning from war, and rebuilds homes and communities after disasters."

Many of the provisions in the GIVE Act can be found in Obama's 2010 fiscal year budget blueprint issued in February. The administration proposes $1.3 billion for the Corporation for National and Community Service, which administers AmeriCorps. CNCS received an estimated $260 million in fiscal 2009.

But some critics on the right suggest that the president's push for national service goes too far, and the recent congressional steps toward expanding the federal role in volunteerism and "civilian service" smacks of a larger agenda. They point to a campaign speech the president made last July in which he suggested national security could be entrusted to a civilian force."

683 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:43pm

re: #636 DaddyG

Have you read that? I just searched at Amazon, chronicles his political career. Would be an interesting read if I had the time.

684 alegrias  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #675 Sharmuta

Look what elections got us.

* * * *
Elections got some of the electorate the change they wanted.

The next election opportunity you have, help WIN it.

685 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:22:47pm
686 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #673 Sharmuta

I think we're fucked because there is nothing stopping these people. Elections don't work. We need a bigger power to stop Congress' spending, and you're telling me that it's wrong, so other than we're fucked I don't see how we stop this.

You have to have a small govt activist Congress, like 1994, coupled with someone like Reagan in the White House. A tall order. Unfortunately, we have exactly the opposite of that right now. But it could happen as early as 2012.

687 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:13pm

re: #675 Sharmuta

Look what elections got us.

/term limits would help stop the corruption from becoming entrenched like it is now

688 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.

You know, it's been a lot worse in previous parts of American history.

I am not kidding.

689 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:23pm

Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.

As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

Are you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)

Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!

These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:

European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percent

Many members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.

European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percent

Surprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.

The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

690 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:36pm

re: #644 joncelli

Yes, that was sick humor 4 sure.

691 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #677 Mad Al-Jaffee

10. The jooozzz!

11. Starbucks

692 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:44pm

re: #656 Piglet-U93

"If a child graduating high school in ten years is up to the educational level of a child with an eighth grade education sixty years ago, that will be a vast improvement."

So true, since my brother's daughters (high school graduates, 2007 and 2008) cannot multiply 2 times 50 and get the right answer.

That's when Little Hawk will be graduating. Mrs. Hawk and I are already working to make sure the math is up to par. It shows too, those are his best grades.

693 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:23:47pm

re: #675 Sharmuta

Look what elections got us.

40 years of liberals co-opting the education system.
How many coming out of high school or college define "enlightened self interest?

How many would if asked about our form of government answer a "democracy?"

It took us 4 decades of educational malfeasance, and 7 decades of congress malpractice to get here.

694 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:24:21pm

re: #674 Cygnus

They are usually milked for all they're worth.

The first few posts the boob puns usually stand on their own, but after a while people really stretch them and they start to sag a bit.

695 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:24:42pm

re: #661 alegrias

* * **
Giving the Taliban green cards and carte blanche credit cards is next no doubt.

And in state tuituion.

696 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:00pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

The way I see it, Failure is a good teacher. Just look what it did for the Republicans.

Now, the other team is at bat, they have an agenda a mile wide, and to top it all off, none of them has ever produced anything in their entire lives other than oppressive laws and debt.

Once the American people turn on a light switch and nothing happens, or can't buy a tank of gas at any price, reality might sink in.

697 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:02pm

re: #685 buzzsawmonkey

If you don't vote, the domestic terrorists win.

And I mean that.

They already have. And you're telling me there is no way to stop them.

698 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #664 turn

bood thread? ha now wonder you never get any turn.

699 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:08pm

re: #667 Taqiyyotomist

Heck I don't even know what a bood thread is!

I know, I just read down to my post and am sitting here LOL!

700 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:12pm

re: #657 Sharmuta

Anyone? Anyone have any means by which to make Congress control their spending? Any idea at all how to make them quit acting like drunken sailors?

Send them all up on the next Shuttle and dump them at the space station. Remove all communications devices.

701 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:27pm

re: #683 turn

Have you read that? I just searched at Amazon, chronicles his political career. Would be an interesting read if I had the time.


No- just excerpts. It would be a good read but I've already got a stack of good books to get to in front of me right now.

702 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:26:28pm
703 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:22pm

Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?

704 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:24pm

re: #669 DaddyG

These boob puns just dart in and out of threads. You don't even notice them until they poke you in the eye.

I didn't know that, so boods are sharp? o my

705 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:28pm

re: #691 Piglet-U93

11. Starbucks

12. Red Meat
13. Non-Union Evil Corporations

706 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:27:57pm

re: #693 jcm

How many would if asked about our form of government answer a "democracy?"

Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?

//A little Democratic Republican humor

707 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:28:02pm

re: #694 DaddyG

The first few posts the boob puns usually stand on their own, but after a while people really stretch them and they start to sag a bit.

Good one, bra!

708 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:28:25pm

re: #704 turn

I didn't know that, so boods are sharp? o my

I'd love it if they poked me in the mouth.

709 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:00pm

Debrah Burlingame is now on with Cavuto bashing the fact that the proposed Freedom Tower will actually be called one World Trade.
The reasoning is that Freedom Toweri s not marketable.
She made a great commenty, "Al Queda does't care if we call it the Diversity Center."

710 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #668 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its those crazy Basement Cat Bastards you got to watch out for

They just won't follow Ceiling Cat.

711 vagabond trader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:06pm

re: #504 Charles

Charles, the Vietnam War and draft was one of the pivotal events of my lifetime and of all those I grew up with. The draft most certainly did tear this nation apart and anyone who lived during it will tell you the same.

712 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:14pm

re: #706 DaddyG

Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?

//A little Democratic Republican humor

Upding for the Democratic Republican answer.
/our true form of government: Democratic-Republic

713 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:27pm

re: #706 DaddyG

Is there a correct answer to that or do we get to vote on it?

//A little Democratic Republican humor

You'd need to lobby your Representative!

714 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:29pm

re: #695 opnion

And in state tuituion.

Well, of course. As we have found out with illegal aliens, it's racist if you don't. Unless the kid is a citizen.

715 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:54pm

re: #698 turn

bood thread? ha now wonder you never get any turn.

boods are like boobs only on a girls back. Makes her look funny but boy is she fun to dance with.

716 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:29:55pm

And for the record, I don't support term limits because we already have them in the form of elections. I think term limits could cost us decent representatives.

But elections ARE NOT an effective means by which to control Congressional spending. So someone tell me a better solution than an amendment to force the issue.

717 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:15pm

re: #698 turn

gawd turn, you can't get nothing right today. now = no

I think I need a beer.

718 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #708 Hengineer

I'd love it if they poked me in the mouth.


Mammalian Lizard Bood loving Honco!

719 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:30:46pm

re: #703 Sharmuta

Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?

I've got a rope.

720 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:31:34pm

re: #630 Hengineer

The thing is, every 2 to 4 to 6 years, we technically undergo a "Revolution" where we can throw out old representatives and put in new ones. The problem is the politicians have gerrymandered their districts so that they can stay in power for decades.

Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is the mechanism by which politicians stay in power. No wonder the re-election of incumbents is in the 95% range.

721 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #703 Sharmuta

Another point that should be remembered is that there are at times, legitimate reasons to incur debt. National disaster, war, etc. That is why I disagree with such a budget amendment.

But the new debt is all social engineering by socialist eggheads. It is a grand experiment, nothing more. Plus, we are still sending a good bit of money overseas, which, in and of itself is questionable, since such spending has no place in anything posing as a Domestic Stimulus bill. $200 million for Filipino veterans and $900 million for Hamas does not help anyone in the USA.

722 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #607 nyc redneck

THUG THUG THUG you are so right.

723 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:25pm

re: #721 rawmuse

The proposed amendment allows for deficit spending with a 3/5 vote in both houses.

724 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:44pm

John Thompson-the "great" basketball expert- is on the Fan now with Mike. Expert my ass. He took a team to the Olympics without a guy who could shoot from the outside.

725 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:32:49pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.

Taking an informed voice out of the fray is not the way to counter the uninformed.

726 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:13pm

re: #711 vagabond trader

Charles, the Vietnam War and draft was one of the pivotal events of my lifetime and of all those I grew up with. The draft most certainly did tear this nation apart and anyone who lived during it will tell you the same.

I won't.

727 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:24pm

re: #702 buzzsawmonkey

That read like an Aesop fable buzz, very wise.

728 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:30pm

re: #717 turn

Here, have a Hebe-Brew from Israel.

729 vagabond trader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:32pm

re: #716 Sharmuta

Judging by the crop we've been subjected to in the last decade or so, who would be missed if term limits were enacted? ( they never will be)

730 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:41pm

History will never remember the saga of the Vikings and Beekeepers.

731 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:49pm

re: #712 Hengineer

Upding for the Democratic Republican answer.
/our true form of government: Democratic-Republic

Or more tightly defined.
Representative Republic with the Rule of Law.

732 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:33:54pm

re: #703 Sharmuta

Elections aren't a strong enough mechanism by which to control Congressional spending. We need something more, and if not a Balanced Budget Amendment, then what?

Other than revolution? I'd bet that a grassroots activism would be effective. If it doesn't force the congresscritters to amend their ways, it will allow the group to elect someone who will. We need another Teddy Roosevelt or another Reagan. I like Teddy.

733 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:11pm

re: #728 WriterMom

Here, have a Hebe-Brew from Israel.

I'm a Macabe fan myself.

734 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:17pm

re: #723 Sharmuta

The proposed amendment allows for deficit spending with a 3/5 vote in both houses.

If it is being done by way of a Constitutional Convention, then hold on, because every leftist ideal you can imagine will also want a place at the convention.

735 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:25pm

re: #689 Bobibutu

Those are interesting statistics to be sure, but there's one factor that isn't addressed - the casualty rates per 1,000 troops. I believe the numbers are higher during the Bush years because the size of the military was far smaller than during the Reagan or Clinton years, so while in absolute numbers, the number of casualties was lower, there was a higher percentage of those in uniform who were killed during the Bush years. That's not an indictment of Bush era policy, but it does point out that during the supposed years of peace under Clinton, they suffered far higher casualties despite being in a peacetime mode (most deaths due to training accidents, etc.)

736 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:27pm

re: #725 CyanSnowHawk

Taking an informed voice out of the fray is not the way to counter the uninformed.

Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?

737 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:34:34pm

re: #730 Egregious Philbin

What a great friggin nic. LOL!

738 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:06pm

re: #732 ConservatismNow!

Other than revolution? I'd bet that a grassroots activism would be effective. If it doesn't force the congresscritters to amend their ways, it will allow the group to elect someone who will. We need another Teddy Roosevelt or another Reagan. I like Teddy.

Of course- it might be easier to pass a Constitutional amendment...

739 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:10pm

re: #715 DaddyG

boods are like boobs only on a girls back. Makes her look funny but boy is she fun to dance with.

Thanks for that visual DG!

740 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:12pm

re: #733 Nevergiveup

The Macabees were kick ass fighting Jooos. What's not to like.

(I like the beer, too.)

741 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:22pm

I'm going to stir the pot a bit here on the volunteer corps issue, and risk losing some karma.

Enough of us have read Heinlein's Starship Troopers that this discussion should work.
For those who haven't, the relevant part is that full citizens need to volunteer some time in government service. Those who do so, get additional rights, including the right to vote; those who chose not to serve do not get to vote or serve in government.

Many lizards find nothing wrong with this, the way Heinlein proposed it and the way it worked in the novel; yet we find significant problems with the Democrats proposing it.

So, class, please discuss whether you agree with national service as a condition for voting in both cases, in neither case, or in one but not the other.
If you agree with one case but not the other, please defend your apparent inconsistency.

I'll start.
If this were being proposed as a restructuring of government, and if we trusted the government at the time, having people choose whether to not to volunteer wouldn't be a problem. The government would sustain itself with patriots.
However, we do not trust the Democrats at all, and this program even less. Its goal seems to produce nice communists, not true citizens, capable of thinking for themselves, and who love what the country stands for.

Do I see any hands to continue this discussion?

742 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:23pm

re: #737 Taqiyyotomist

What a great friggin nic. LOL!

My long dead grandmother Philbin thanks you.

743 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:27pm

re: #731 jcm

Or more tightly defined.
Representative Republic with the Rule of Law.

Well on the State level, sometimes it truly is a democracy, as there are public propositions that the people can directly vote on.

744 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:48pm

I live in a deep blue congressional district, so really- my vote doesn't matter.

745 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:35:52pm

re: #718 DaddyG

Mammalian Lizard Bood loving Honco!

Darned if you didn't hit me on the nose!

746 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

Nope. I'd rather talk about something really silly and frivolous right now cause it's almost quitting time on the East coast.

747 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #728 WriterMom

Here, have a Hebe-Brew from Israel.

WM. don't do that (channeling scent of a woman). Man that does look good!

748 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #728 WriterMom

Here, have a Hebe-Brew from Israel.


Hi WM! Hope today finds you well...30 minutes to go before I'll have a cold one and get ready for Basketball tonight..
It's March Madness..Do you know where your wife is?

749 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:00pm

re: #714 OldLineTexan

Well, of course. As we have found out with illegal aliens, it's racist if you don't. Unless the kid is a citizen.

We are being made fools out of.

750 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:09pm

re: #721 rawmuse

Another point that should be remembered is that there are at times, legitimate reasons to incur debt. National disaster, war, etc. That is why I disagree with such a budget amendment.

But the new debt is all social engineering by socialist eggheads. It is a grand experiment, nothing more. Plus, we are still sending a good bit of money overseas, which, in and of itself is questionable, since such spending has no place in anything posing as a Domestic Stimulus bill. $200 million for Filipino veterans and $900 million for Hamas does not help anyone in the USA.

It's not a common mistake here in lizard land, but many confuse debt and deficit.

Debt is long term obligations that are paid over time.
Deficit is spending more than revenue.

Debt is acceptable as long it's controlled and can be paid for within a specified time and within current revenue.

Deficit is not acceptable and will result in insolvency.

When it necessary to spend more than revenue, controlled debt can be incurred.

751 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:41pm

re: #744 Sharmuta

I live in a deep blue congressional district, so really- my vote doesn't matter.

My home state is a deep blue state, so my vote didn't matter, and my district is a straight up RED state. Kevin McCarthy is my representative (one of the Repubs who has their name on the Republican answer to the Democratic spending bill)

752 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:37:51pm

Frankly- I'm a little stunned after this last election that anyone would tell me to put my faith in elections to correct the issues in Washington. I believe we need something more to reign in spending and something more than elections because they are utterly ineffective.

753 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #747 turn

Just try and stop me!

754 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:38:23pm

re: #743 Hengineer

Well on the State level, sometimes it truly is a democracy, as there are public propositions that the people can directly vote on.

A majority of those involve the people voting directly on a self imposed tax.

755 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:38:57pm

re: #748 HoosierHoops

Hi WM! Hope today finds you well...30 minutes to go before I'll have a cold one and get ready for Basketball tonight..
It's March Madness..Do you know where your wife is?

She's in the living room watching Oprah I am embarrassed to say

756 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:39:30pm

re: #730 Egregious Philbin

History will never remember the saga of the Vikings and Beekeepers.

Was that in the Elder or the Prose Edda?

757 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:08pm

re: #716 Sharmuta

I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.

758 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:20pm

re: #754 jcm

A majority of those involve the people voting directly on a self imposed tax.

The ones that pissed me off were the people voting directly for bond measures for social welfare programs. California had a few that I voted no on.
One of them was a bond measure to help fund children's hospitals.

I voted no because California is already friggin insolvent and almost bankrupt. They don't need new bonds. If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)

759 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:30pm

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

760 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:40:42pm

re: #753 WriterMom

What did that stein say anyway, something like "ha ha try and come and get me turn"?

761 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:00pm

re: #724 Nevergiveup

John Thompson-the "great" basketball expert- is on the Fan now with Mike. Expert my ass. He took a team to the Olympics without a guy who could shoot from the outside.


Call up and ask him how all the kids he had who never graduated are doing these days

762 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #748 HoosierHoops

March madness, I don't know too much about it.

763 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:15pm

re: #752 Sharmuta

How about the Supreme Court? The court system has been used by the lefties to push their agenda for more than 80 years. Or as I stated, the grassroots pathway. It doesn't necessarily cost a lot of money to go the grassroots route. Cesar Chavez lobbied quite effectively while representing one of the poorest demographics in America.

764 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:41pm

re: #757 Lincolntf

I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.

First, especially in MA, is we need people to run for them!

765 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:47pm

re: #755 Nevergiveup

OPRAH? GOOD GRAVY.

766 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:48pm

re: #752 Sharmuta

People tell you that because it's really all we can do. Civil war and armed revolution are not acceptable solutions these days. Not anymore, and not yet, anyway. So people either have great faith that the system can be used by the good in order to effect change, so they tell you to trust that this will eventually happen, or they don't want to be banned and investigated for telling you what they really think, so they tell you to have faith in the broken system because that's really all they can do.

767 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:41:52pm

re: #757 Lincolntf

I wholeheartedly agree with that. When I lived in MA (for decades) my Conservative friends would always advocate for term limits (we had 95-100% Dem. representation depending on the year). My gut response then, and now, is that we don't change the system just because the results don't please us at the moment.
We're going to have to win those seats back the old-fashioned way. By convincing people that we are right.

I want term limits even if there are Republicans in power. Power tends to corrupt and Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at what happened when the Repubs took back control of Congress AND when Bush was President. They pushed through more pork than when Clinton was president.

768 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:00pm

New York Governor David Paterson said next year’s record budget gap may be $3 billion greater than the $16.2 billion he announced earlier this week and hinted a tax increase on higher incomes is possible.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

No banking on getting re-elected are ya Dave?

769 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:10pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

You have summed it up nicely. Without trust maintained by action - it's a power grab.

770 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:13pm

re: #760 turn

Stein? Get you? Whachooo talkin bout, Willis?

771 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:15pm

re: #756 CyanSnowHawk

Was that in the Elder or the Prose Edda?

The long lost annals of SCTV.

772 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:17pm

re: #758 Hengineer

If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)

Correct. Every single Children's Hospital I'm aware of in California is 501(c) 3. More, most of them have foundations, and - if there's any question - if you donate to the foundation, it's definitely tax deductible.

Right now, anyway. Who knows, with Obama.

773 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:42:50pm

re: #759 Sharmuta

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

A knife is never an empty threat. You just have to get close enough.

774 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #759 Sharmuta

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Yep... that about sums it up.

Everyone expect the others to throw their bum out, while they keep theirs and wonder why nothing changes.

775 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:28pm

re: #772 Dianna

Correct. Every single Children's Hospital I'm aware of in California is 501(c) 3. More, most of them have foundations, and - if there's any question - if you donate to the foundation, it's definitely tax deductible.

Right now, anyway. Who knows, with Obama.

If I remember correctly that proposition passed. (its for the chiiildren)

Where is California now? Its so far in the red no other state in the red comes close to its negative numbers.

776 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:33pm

re: #766 Taqiyyotomist

Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.

Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?

777 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:39pm

And the bums own 52% of the voters.

778 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:39pm
779 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:43:48pm

re: #762 WriterMom

March madness, I don't know too much about it.

A little old thing about Basketball...Be well
Well I'm locking up and going home...See ya on the flip side Lizards!

780 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:01pm

re: #752 Sharmuta
Don't make me ding you down Sharmuta. You don't sound quite like yourself today...

781 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #773 Dianna

A knife is never an empty threat. You just have to get close enough.

Her point is valid though, only true independents really scare Washington. Party liners don't and party liners is what Washington wants, as getting rid of one bozo brings in another bozo.

782 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #775 Hengineer

OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...

783 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:30pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.

Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?

It's the definition of time to have a drink and worry about it another day. Best I can do right now.

784 jorline  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.

Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?

March Madness?
//

785 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:55pm

re: #780 wrenchwench

You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?

786 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:44:56pm

[Link: www.chron.com...]

What is the bottom line? Did we win or lose? Neither. We got rid of the worst language, but a great deal of qualifying language remains. I am not going to claim either victory or defeat. I realize that Casey Luskin of Discovery Institute will declare complete, unqualified victory, but it is not that for them. Neither is it for us. The standards adopted were generally good, but there are several that are flawed, fortunately most in minor ways that textbook authors and publishers can deal with. I think we can work around the few flawed standards. But the point is that there shouldn't be ANY flawed standards. The science standards as submitted by the science writing teams were excellent and flaw-free. All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creatonism. This will be come apparent in 2011 when the Biology textbooks come up for adoption. Rule 3A and several other poor amendments in Biology--all the contribution of SBOE members who know nothing about science but a lot about pseudoscience--will be used to attack Biology textbooks. Gentle Readers, this is not the way to develop educational policy in one of the most wealthy and powerful states in the most wealthy and powerful country in the world in the 21st century. The process you just experienced, reading my live blog columns, was deplorable and should be deeply embarrassing to every Texas citizen.

I will write some more about the science standards later on the Texas Citizens for Science website. But for now, this live blog is finally ENDED.

787 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:10pm

re: #775 Hengineer

If I remember correctly that proposition passed. (its for the chiiildren)

Where is California now? Its so far in the red no other state in the red comes close to its negative numbers.

What do we expect? People move here from other states, and they're not planning to stay.

As Island Libertarian is always saying, "Lefty wants free stuff."

788 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #778 buzzsawmonkey

"Democracy is the worst form of government ever. Except for anything else."

-Winston "You Da Man" Churchill

789 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #782 WriterMom

OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...

A few of those measures sounded good that I voted on, but I voted all of them no. Because they were all bond measures.

790 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:35pm

Iran and Nato end 30-year impasse

An Iranian diplomat has held informal talks with Nato officials for for the first time in 30 years.

Senior Nato negotiator Martin Erdmann said he had met Iran's ambassador to the European Union, Ali-Asghar Khaji, more than two weeks ago.

"This is another good step in engaging Iran in the international community," said Mr Erdmann. "I am sure there will be follow-up meetings."

And the centrifuges spin...

791 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:45pm

re: #778 buzzsawmonkey

We lost this time because the electorate is ignorant.

792 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:49pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

Citizens should be free to choose their service.

I love the idea of national service, we have it right now. The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines, Peace Corps, Catholic Charities, LDS Social Services, Jewish American Charities, Boys Town, The Humane Society, Habitat For Humanity, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, The United Negro College Fund, Alpha Phi Omega...

I don't like the idea that a government panel could empower a bureucracy to decide which service gives credits towards a mandatory service credit and which type doesn't.

Let volunteerism be voluntary and government be minimal.

...and to reiterate I do understand that this is only a proposal to empower a study. I just wish they would drop the mandatory language and the social fabric stuff. I can't see attempts to legislate diversity and charity ending in anything but a SNAFU.

793 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:45:55pm

re: #787 Dianna

Isn't CA pretty much bankrupt?

794 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:04pm

Stealthily she climbs through the open thread, wending her way past needles and knots of glistening lizard scales. Through the Kosh Shadows and around the buzzsawmonkeys she stalks. She must beware the cluebyfour which reaches out to those less wary. Are there zombies on this open thread? Will a JCM fly through the airwaves to explode in front of her?

She looks abover her head and sees the lawhawk wheeling against the smurfy sky.

She backs out of the open thread and resumes her work.

795 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:15pm

re: #793 WriterMom

Isn't CA pretty much bankrupt?

In every sense of the word.

796 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:17pm

re: #778 buzzsawmonkey

And there was this little fraud thing, too. We did not or could not effectively watch the pollworkers, a great majority of whom are Democrats wherever you go, blue or red state. How do you watch pollworkers who handle absentee ballots? Fraud is one of the three legs on the Democrat stool. And i DO mean stool.

797 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:21pm

re: #758 Hengineer

The ones that pissed me off were the people voting directly for bond measures for social welfare programs. California had a few that I voted no on.
One of them was a bond measure to help fund children's hospitals.

I voted no because California is already friggin insolvent and almost bankrupt. They don't need new bonds. If you support Childrens Hospitals, donate money yourself! There are methods, and the hospitals will thank you for it too (and I think its tax-deductible)

Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?

798 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:34pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

You can't make people be informed. The ill-informed have just as much a right to vote, and they do obviously. We're fucked. Thanks guys. I'm seriously considering never voting again now because it's pointless.

I hope this is only your frustration, which I share, and not something you are seriosuly considering. Because if you don't vote then truly everything is lost.
Not preaching, just trying to say I understand how you feel but we can't give up. If nothing else, vote to spite the bastards.

799 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:37pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

Getting permission from the govt for voting or public employment sounds like a recipe for corruption. It's just another power to cede to bureaucrats. No thanks.

800 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #792 DaddyG

It can only be called volunteering if people volunteer. Otherwise it's VOLUNTOLD or national service, or mandatory service or whatever else ya want to call it.

801 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:19pm

re: #794 Eowyn2

FUNNNEEE

802 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:21pm

re: #785 Sharmuta

You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?

They can be and they will be. Your vote counts. The effectiveness varies, the results vary; this time we got something very different, and next time it will swing the other way.

803 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:24pm

re: #793 WriterMom

Isn't CA pretty much bankrupt?

It's bankrupt, and pretending it's not.

804 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:25pm

re: #792 DaddyG

Citizens should be free to choose their service.

I love the idea of national service, we have it right now. The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines, Peace Corps, Catholic Charities, LDS Social Services, Jewish American Charities, Boys Town, The Humane Society, Habitat For Humanity, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, The United Negro College Fund, Alpha Phi Omega...

I don't like the idea that a government panel could empower a bureucracy to decide which service gives credits towards a mandatory service credit and which type doesn't.

Let volunteerism be voluntary and government be minimal.

...and to reiterate I do understand that this is only a proposal to empower a study. I just wish they would drop the mandatory language and the social fabric stuff. I can't see attempts to legislate diversity and charity ending in anything but a SNAFU.

Uh-oh. Boy Scouts, they don't allow gays.

805 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #748 HoosierHoops

Hi WM! Hope today finds you well...30 minutes to go before I'll have a cold one and get ready for Basketball tonight..
It's March Madness..Do you know where your wife is?


duke lost. My dreams have gone up in smoke.

806 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:40pm

re: #795 gmsc

Math geek!

807 Engnrman  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:46pm

I have been canvassing my mind to find sailing terms unbroached and finally find the whole thing rudderly ridiculous and conclude that we are all going to hull. but, perhaps I am too stern? I bow my head in shame, shrouded in guilt. Yet, I will stay awhile and scope it all out. At the bitter end there may still be a chance to beam myself out. Or maybe my latitude will improve. Yes, I believe I could use a lift! Wouldn't that be sheer joy?

808 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #759 Sharmuta

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

That's because why everyone wants to throw the bums out, the bums are always the representatives from the other districts.

809 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:01pm

re: #803 Dianna

Oy to the Vey.

810 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:14pm

re: #736 Sharmuta

Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?

Because it is one of many, and without it, the many is diminished.

I live in CA, where my Presidential Vote has been overwhelmed for quite a while, but I still vote. One day it will be on the winning side again, as long as I and everyone else that votes as I do, keep at it. Apathy and indolence is not the path to attaining ones goals.

I didn't raise my hand twice to defend the Constitution to ignore my responsibilities when an election comes around.

811 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:14pm

re: #802 wrenchwench

They can be and they will be. Your vote counts. The effectiveness varies, the results vary; this time we got something very different, and next time it will swing the other way.

What makes you think putting the republicans back in power will guarantee fiscal responsibility?

812 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:17pm

re: #794 Eowyn2

Beautiful!

813 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:31pm

re: #797 turn

Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?

And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.

814 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:31pm

A man had just settled into his seat next to the window on the plane
when another man sits down in the aisle seat and puts his black Labrador
in the middle seat next to the man.

The first man looks very quizzically at the dog and asks why the dog is
allowed on the plane ?

The second man explains that he is a Drug Enforcement Agency officer
and the dog is a 'Sniffer dog'. 'His name is Smithy and he's the best there is.
I'll show you once we get airborne, when I put him to work.'

The plane takes off, and once it has levelled out, the agent says:
Watch this.' He tells Smithy to 'search'.

Smithy jumps down, walks along the aisle, and finally sits very
purposefully next to a woman for several seconds.

Smithy then returns to his seat and puts one paw on the agent's arm.

The agent says, 'Good boy', and he turns to the man and says:
'That woman is in possession of marijuana, so I'm making a note of her
seat number and the authorities will apprehend her when we land.'

'Say, that's pretty neat,' replies the first man.

Once again, the agent sends Smithy to search the aisles.
The Lab sniffs about, sits down beside a man for a few seconds,
returns to his seat and this time, he places TWO paws on the agent's
arm.

The agent says, 'That man is carrying cocaine, so again, I'm making
note of his seat number for the police.'

'I like it!' says his seat mate.

The agent then tells Smithy to 'search' again.

Smithy walks up and down the aisles for a little while, sits down for a
moment and then comes racing back to the agent, jumps into the
middle seat and proceeds to shit all over the place.

The first man is really amazed by this behaviour and can't figure
out how or why a well-trained dog would behave like this,
so he asks the agent 'What's going on?'

The agent nervously replies,

'He just found a bomb !'

815 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #764 Kosh's Shadow

Exactly. Whose fault is it that Jim "Fidel" McGovern is in Congress? Mine, because I was unable to convince enough people to vote against the slobbering fraud. The fact that it was a fool's errand and that the unions and built in prejudices against Republicans were insurmountable is no excuse.
Republicans just have to try harder and stop buying into the "Let's go after the Oprah vote" goose chases. The only way Conservatives can win is by offering a stark alternative to the countless failures of Liberals.

816 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:00pm

re: #807 Engnrman

I have been canvassing my mind to find sailing terms unbroached and finally find the whole thing rudderly ridiculous and conclude that we are all going to hull. but, perhaps I am too stern? I bow my head in shame, shrouded in guilt. Yet, I will stay awhile and scope it all out. At the bitter end there may still be a chance to beam myself out. Or maybe my latitude will improve. Yes, I believe I could use a lift! Wouldn't that be sheer joy?

Sail ahoy!

817 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:01pm

re: #785 Sharmuta

You think elections are an effective means by which to control government spending?

We The People...

Get what we voted for.

Politicians are bribing the people with the public purse, and the people have forgotten what we are about.

The problem is more profound than an out of control budget. We The People are forgetting who we are.

We need to correct that.

818 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:10pm
819 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #805 Eowyn2

duke lost. My dreams have gone up in smoke.

Root for my team, its just a tad down the road--UNC

820 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:17pm

re: #807 Engnrman

OMG! It's a pun explosion!

Nice work.

821 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #813 Hengineer

I agree. If it's so great, how come private companies aren't clamouring for a piece of the action..but this is too heavy a topic for COUNTDOWN time...

822 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:38pm

re: #782 WriterMom

OMG. If I hear one more liberal whine about the chiiildren I'm gonna smack 'em. Everything that liberal activists want to shove up our wazooos is for da kids...

Well when the pop them out at the rate of eight at time it makes a lot of sense.
/

823 vagabond trader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:46pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

My thoughts as well.This administration has given us enough hints that they will use any device to promote its far left agenda. Kids are already bombarded with the cult of PCism and all its satellites. This "service" may not be mandatory,though it will hardly matter since they will have a captive, impressionable audience from K-12th grade,cajoled by Obama supporting union members.The fact that this supposedly innocuous bill is being bum rushed through during an economic meltdown should also set off warning bells.

824 UncleRancher  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

Right... Here's my plan for restructuring government. Throw them ALL out and start over. All administration and legislative branches: complete re-do. The few goodn's we have in there can take another turn later, but right now it's time for a real change we can believe in.

Whadaya think?

825 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:49:57pm

re: #793 WriterMom

Isn't CA pretty much bankrupt?

re: #806 WriterMom

Math geek!

True, but HUH?!?

826 Killer Tomato  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #792 DaddyG

The problem is that as always, they start from the presumption that left to our own devices, we won't behave correctly. We can't be trusted to do the right thing. We need to be directed, steered, told what to do because we're just too stupid to make the decisions they want us to.

827 Dianna  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:22pm

Back to work.

Sigh.

828 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #825 gmsc

Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.

Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.

829 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:50:53pm

Elections are not an effective means by which to control congressional spending. If they were, we wouldn't have these deficits. They do not fear us, and we do not follow through with our threats to remove them. So we either force their hand and make them balance the budget, or we accept this utterly broken system as it stands now and Hope™ that it gets better. I have no Hope™.

830 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #801 WriterMom

FUNNNEEE

She gazes at the map written by her mom, the lines converge and the thread goes on.

831 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:10pm

Anyone get the impression that Drudge takes Friday afternoons off until about 5:30 PM EST?

832 lifeofthemind  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:12pm

re: #689 Bobibutu

Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.

As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

Are you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)

Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!

These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:

European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percent

Many members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.

European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percent

Surprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.

The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

Excellent post, now you need to adjust for the changing size of the armed forces. How do these numbers reflect improvements in medical care over time? What is the loss rate per capita? What are the combat and accidental injury rates? Are non-combat deaths declining at a faster rate or slower than civilian fatalities? The second most dangerous thing any 19 year old can be around is a vehicle, the numbers need to consider such factors. Keep up the good work, we look forward to seeing your second draft. OK sarc there

833 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #811 Sharmuta

What makes you think putting the republicans back in power will guarantee fiscal responsibility?

There are no guarantees. As Mandy said, it's like potty training. There is backsliding. There is progress.

834 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:21pm

What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.

835 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #821 WriterMom

I agree. If it's so great, how come private companies aren't clamouring for a piece of the action..but this is too heavy a topic for COUNTDOWN time...

But what pissed me off is that they kept saying that fetal stem cell research was BANNED.

NO YOU'RE WRONG DIPFUCKINGSHIT (sorry)

Federal Funds were banned from going to fetal stem cell research. If you want to fund that research yourself, nobody was stopping you!

836 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #795 gmsc

In every sense of the word.

Hey! Yosemite has a positive cash flow.

837 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:51:52pm

re: #828 WriterMom

Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.

Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.

Thank goodness – I was trying to figure out the connection to my bankruptcy reply. I thought maybe I was having a blond moment.
;)

838 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:01pm

re: #759 Sharmuta

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Better bring the knife, anyway. Hillary is back to gun-banning to save the Mexicans from drug cartel violence.

839 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:09pm

re: #817 jcm

Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.

840 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:28pm

re: #831 Noam Chumpski

Anyone get the impression that Drudge takes Friday afternoons off until about 5:30 PM EST?

Personally I think he has taken off since he broke the BJ story.

841 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:52:29pm

re: #804 Hengineer

If I recall my boyscout manual. I think the boy scouts themselves were not questioned but the scout masters had to hetro.

842 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:04pm

re: #829 Sharmuta

Elections are not an effective means by which to control congressional spending. If they were, we wouldn't have these deficits. They do not fear us, and we do not follow through with our threats to remove them. So we either force their hand and make them balance the budget, or we accept this utterly broken system as it stands now and Hope™ that it gets better. I have no Hope™.

Because none of the candidates ever talk about curbing spending.

Ever. How can you vote for someone who will vote against every proposal to spend (except the necessary ones, sorry Luap Nor!)

843 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:10pm

re: #833 wrenchwench

There are no guarantees. As Mandy said, it's like potty training. There is backsliding. There is progress.

So- I should just keep banging my head against a brick wall?

844 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #835 Hengineer

Tell us how you really feel.

845 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:15pm

re: #836 Bobibutu

Hey! Yosemite has a positive cash flow.

Would that be Yosemite State Park or Yosemite National Park?

846 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:43pm

re: #819 Nevergiveup

Root for my team, its just a tad down the road--UNC

I have to go with uconn, thats whom I had playing the final against duke.

847 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:44pm
848 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:53:59pm

re: #844 WriterMom

Tell us how you really feel.

ok Dr. Phil

849 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:03pm

re: #826 Killer Tomato You hit the nail on the head. The reality is that Americans are the biggest charitable givers in the world both privately and publicly.

We don't need the elites deciding they can do a better job managing our volunteer labor or charitable giving for us than we can do ourselves.

They are doing a swell enough job screwing up the things they already have power over.

850 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:04pm

re: #771 Egregious Philbin

The long lost annals of SCTV.

Aw, that's right, it's the Canuck Edda.

851 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:04pm

#791 Sharmuta

We lost this time because the electorate is ignorant.

We lose every election where I live because once the dems got into power, they gerrymandered every single conservative district into a blue district. Voting is a joke where I live, but we vote anyway.

852 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:19pm

re: #839 Sharmuta

Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.

If nothing else, the ChiComs will ensure fiscal responsibility to protect the value of their investments.

/stolen from Rush

853 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:26pm

re: #842 Hengineer

Because none of the candidates ever talk about curbing spending.

Ever. How can you vote for someone who will vote against every proposal to spend (except the necessary ones, sorry Luap Nor!)

It's not going to change unless we make them. And I guess my idea is pretty unpopular. So I will continue to feel fucked and hopeless.

854 Gearhead  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:35pm

re: #834 ConservatismNow!

What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.

I like it, but the National Endowment for the Arts would never stand for it.

855 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:38pm

Knife fights! Taxes! Obama! Stem cell research! Politicians spending like drunken sailors!

I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE!

856 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #813 Hengineer

And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.

Skin to Stem Cell Breakthrough Promises Health Care Revolution

Discovered by the Japanese scientist Shinya Yamanaka, the method creates stem cells without using and destroying human embryos. By studying cells created from people with inherited disorders, scientists are observing, in ways never before possible, how diseases progress and react to treatments, said Doug Melton, a Harvard University researcher.

“This is the breakthrough the stem-cell field has been waiting for,” said Beth Seidenberg, a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the Menlo Park, California-based venture-capital firm that helped start Google Inc.

Unlike embryonic cells, the cells created using the Yamanaka method opened a path to test drugs for genetic diseases, Seidenberg said.

/who needs embryonic stem cells anyway?

857 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #813 Hengineer

And actually even on fetal stem cells, its not that research conducted by fetal stem cells was BANNED, its just that there was no Federal money going to it. If fetal stem cells was truly that great of a miracle, then there would be plenty of private donors lining up around the fucking corner.

Exactly, yet the idiots were too ignorant to listen. Most of the support for the measure came from voters that were only interested in bashing Bush IMO. I was kind of serious about wondering where the money is going. I'll have to check on that some day.

858 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:25pm

re: #767 Hengineer

Term limits are a way for the "Gubmint" to tell you who you can and cannot vote for, regardless of the Constitution.
I alternately laughed and cried at the stupidity of the people who continually elected Ted Kennedy, but Ted Kennedy is exactly who they wanted representing them. I would never attempt to deny them that inalienable right.

859 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:31pm

re: #759 Sharmuta

So we control spending by threatening to vote the bums out when we never vote the bums out in the end. That's a hollow threat to Washington, like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Has anyone mentioned the Line Item Veto? Works best when you have an opposition party in the WH, rather than the perfect storm we have now, but even in those conditions, you DO have accountability.

860 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:34pm

re: #848 Hengineer

I fucking hate that idiot fake "doctor" asshole.

861 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:36pm

re: #853 Sharmuta

It's not going to change unless we make them. And I guess my idea is pretty unpopular. So I will continue to feel fucked and hopeless.

We all are.

862 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #736 Sharmuta

Why should I think my one pathetic vote matters?

It matters at precisely the time you think that it might not.

I live in Florida. Dubya won over Gore by a 537 vote margin in my state, and we put him over the top in the presidential electoral vote count.

I was one of those 537.

Had I and 537 other Dubya-voters decided to stay home that day, we would have had to face 9-11 with ManBearPig at the helm.

[pauses to shudder]

NEVER tell me your vote doesn't matter. EVERY vote matters, because every vote contributes to the winning majority, and every vote not cast doesn't.

863 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #834 ConservatismNow!

What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.

They won't even allow you to put your Soc. Sec. contribution in an untouchable acct with your name on it... :)

864 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:56pm

WHOOOPS.

Not very ladylike of me.

865 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #834 ConservatismNow!

What about a measure that allows people to control where their taxes are spent? For example: When you file for taxes, you have check boxes to say "I want this money to go towards Defense (33%), Transportation (34%) , and Health Care (33%)." Just throwing ideas out there.


I already control where much of my tax money is spent by giving it to charitable organizations, taking the deduction and keeping it out of the hands of some bureaucrat in Washington DC. This is yet another option the current administration is exploring taking away from us.

866 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:04pm

re: #856 Killian Bundy

/who needs embryonic stem cells anyway?

embryonic sounds like moronic.

867 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:13pm

re: #843 Sharmuta

So- I should just keep banging my head against a brick wall?

No, you should absolutely stop that. Make a cup of coffee, read some Thomas Sowell or something, and get back the positive, hard-working attitude you usually have.

868 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:17pm
869 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:33pm

re: #860 WriterMom

I fucking hate that idiot fake "doctor" asshole.

Tell us how you really feel.

870 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:35pm

re: #846 Eowyn2

I have to go with uconn, thats whom I had playing the final against duke.

It's the smart move and Tessio was always smarter...but UNC is still ACC?

871 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #858 Lincolntf
Never thought of it that way. Good point.

872 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:09pm
873 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:09pm

re: #869 Hengineer

LOL. More specifics needed?

874 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:26pm

Via the blogfather:

HMM: Freddie Mac’s Duel With Regulator: Does It Report Government’s Role in Its Losses?

That would spoil the narrative. But somebody should ask Rahm Emanuel about this . . . Here’s a choice bit, though:

When Freddie Mac’s executives concluded a few weeks ago that they had to disclose that the government’s management of the McLean company was undermining its profitability and would cost it tens of billions of dollars, the firm’s regulator urged it not to do so, according to several sources familiar with the matter.

Freddie Mac executives refused to bend. The clash grew so severe that they threatened to go to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which oversees corporate disclosures, to secure a ruling that the regulator’s request was out of line. The company’s regulator backed down, the sources said.

Remember, when a private company wants to cover up billions in losses and the responsibility for them, that’s a major scandal and proof of the evils of capitalism. But when a government regulator does the same thing, that’s just how people are, these things happen, whaddyagonnado? Plus, more evidence that the country’s in the very best of hands:

After the companies were taken over, investors around the world who buy the companies’ debt and mortgage investments weren’t willing to pay top dollar, reflecting doubts about whether the U.S. government would stand behind the firms if they faltered further. As a result, mortgage rates initially rose, further depressing house prices, contrary to what the government intended when it took over the firms.

Then, earlier this month Freddie Mac lost its chief executive, longtime banker David Moffett, who joined the company at the government’s behest in September. He clashed with government regulators who pushed him to take steps that would forgo revenue opportunities. Freddie Mac is now looking for a new chief executive, chief operating officer and chief financial officer — and having trouble finding them.

Gee, why would a business that the government has taken over and mismanaged have trouble recruiting fall guys senior executives in this political climate?

875 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:37pm

re: #872 taxfreekiller

tfk you're a poet and a comedian!

876 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:42pm
877 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:47pm

re: #839 Sharmuta

Darlin'- I can only deal with so much at this point. I am trying to deal with out of control spending at the moment. I favor the Balanced Budget Amendment as a means to make Congress stop this insanity.

I hear you, no doubt. But the very congress we have to stop, has to approve a balanced budget amendment.

The Obama / Reid / Pelosi triumvirate won't go for it.

878 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #854 Gearhead

I like it, but the National Endowment for the Arts would never stand for it.

I was about to say "But some states have citizens who would put all their money towards the Arts."
But then I realized that those people don't pay taxes.
But then I realized that those same people would go out an get jobs in order to pay taxes towards the Arts.
It's a win.

879 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:57:57pm

re: #873 WriterMom

LOL. More specifics needed?

Did I need to be more specific when you asked me?

880 KingKenrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:08pm

This gives me hope:

Pelosi, Reid negatives skyrocket. This will help keep blue dogs on the fence.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

881 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:17pm

re: #689 Bobibutu

Statistics from Congressional Research Service ... Interesting stuff.

As tragic as the loss of any member of the
US Armed Forces is, consider the below statistics:
The annual fatalities, by any cause, of
military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 2,392 (Carter)
1981 2,380 (Reagan)
1984 1,999 (Reagan)
1988 1,819 (Reagan)
1989 1,636 (George H W)
1990 1,508 (George H W)
1991 1,787 (George H W)
1992 1,293 (George H W)
1993 1,213 (Clinton)
1994 1,075 (Clinton)
1995 2,465 (Clinton)
1996 2,318 (Clinton)
1997 817 (Clinton)
1998 2,252 (Clinton)
1999 1,984 (Clinton)
2000 1,983 (Clinton
2001 890 (George W)
2002 1,007 (George W)
2003 1,410 (George W)
2004 1,887 (George W)
2005 919 (George W)
2006 920 (George W)
2007 899 (George W)
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

Are you surprised when you look at these
figures? They indicate the loss from the two latest Middle East conflicts are less than the loss of military personnel
during Clinton's presidency when America wasn't even involved in a war--unless you include Bosnia and Mogadishu, and
Somalia. (Remember "Blackhawk Down"?)

Even more surprising is that in 1980,
during Carter presidency, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!

These figures appear to indicate many
members of our media and politicians pick and choose the information on which they report---that they present only those "facts" that support their agenda. Consider
the latest census of Americans. It shows the following distribution of American citizens by race:

European descent 69.12 percent
Hispanic 12.50 percent
Black 12.30 percent
Asian 3.70 percent
Native American 1.00 percent
Other 2.60 percent

Many members of the media lead us to
believe the military death ratio is off balanced compared to the distribution by race in America. Here are the fatalities
by race over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom.

European descent 74.31 percent
Hispanic 10.74 percent
Black 9.67 percent
Asian 1.81 percent
Native American 1.09 percent
Other 0.33 percent

Surprised again?
Hopefully, intelligent Americans can
decipher the facts from the spin.

The spinners from the leaders.
Those who seek even more power from those that seek justice.
The dividers from the uniter's.
These statistics are published by the
Congressional Research Service and may be confirmed at:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

Those numbers quoted don't line up with the data from the link provided. For example, in 2006 there were 1,875 active military deaths, not the 920 quoted above.

882 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:22pm

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

It's countdown to Shabbes...you're on shpilkes...

883 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #828 WriterMom

Oh, I was just remember when you tried to explain some calculation to me and I was really like DUUUHHH.

Not a comment specific to anything else. Sorry-having a blonde moment.

Just to mess with your mind again:

884 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #867 wrenchwench

No, you should absolutely stop that. Make a cup of coffee, read some Thomas Sowell or something, and get back the positive, hard-working attitude you usually have.

My positive, hard working attitude reminded me of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and it's not good enough apparently. I'm supposed to continue to have faith in an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. I reject that idea, but you're all telling me I'm off my rocker because I don't trust my fellow voters. Please help me. Show me why I should have faith in my fellow voters to do the right thing and vote these assholes out of office and that new members will be responsible with our money. Please.

885 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:20pm

re: #796 Taqiyyotomist

And there was this little fraud thing, too. We did not or could not effectively watch the pollworkers, a great majority of whom are Democrats wherever you go, blue or red state. How do you watch pollworkers who handle absentee ballots? Fraud is one of the three legs on the Democrat stool. And i DO mean stool.

I agree and I think ensuring the integrity of our elections needs to be a top priority. I have lost faith because of the naked and blatant fraud that's being perpetrated on the part of Democrats.
This type of fraud should be punished in the harshest manner. What cna be any worse than stealing the people's right to their own self determination.

886 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

PIMF "one" = "won." What the hell is wrong with me?

Do you want us to make a list?

//

887 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 1:59:37pm

re: #812 Taqiyyotomist

the turning thread is getting complex, she must taqiyhertime throught the mist.

888 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:07pm

Wish we could go back to the early days and whenever tax hikes are on the ballot or bond issues, only property owners can vote.

And that would go over about as long as it takes to blink.

889 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #877 jcm

I hear you, no doubt. But the very congress we have to stop, has to approve a balanced budget amendment.

The Obama / Reid / Pelosi triumviratetrifectatridenttrinity won't go for it.

890 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:21pm

re: #868 buzzsawmonkey

Line item veto = Presidential dictatorship.

I've always been pro-line item, but something about this post has me sitting and thinking. It's a certain angle when taken together with the separations of power that I hadn't considered.

Remember when Clinton used it that one time?

891 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:22pm

re: #883 gmsc

Nice stripping.

892 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:35pm

re: #889 Hengineer

Meant to say corrected.

893 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #847 buzzsawmonkey

One of the Lizards said she worked the polls and said she saw "Just about everything" regarding Dem fraud you could possibly witness. Multiply that by every single polling place in the country. Cloward-Piven is like the hacker's DDOS attack - it's all about overload. They basically said to their loyal Party workers, go all out, perform so much fraud that the nation cannot possibly even organize and collate the evidence in any timely manner. Add that to the fact that any fraud that was caught or even being investigated seldom made it to the pages and tv screens of Big News.

I said it in 2000 and again in 04. Florida's hanging-chad fiasco was merely a one-state preparation for what they did in 50 states in 08. Ohio had the same "training session" in 2004. They went nationwide in 08, with great success.

894 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:49pm

re: #877 jcm

No- the GOP runs on this issue like in 1994 and we take back Congress and pass this puppy. Any GOP that doesn't want to support fiscal responsibility should not get any decent, American loving conservative's vote.

895 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:00:58pm

re: #845 gmsc

Would that be Yosemite State Park or Yosemite National Park?

Touche! And I was really referring to all the businesses that operate in and around it.

896 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:07pm

Well, I'm outa here.

Ciao for now and Shabbat Shalom to the Joooish lizardim.

897 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #890 Noam Chumpski

I've always been pro-line item, but something about this post has me sitting and thinking. It's a certain angle when taken together with the separations of power that I hadn't considered.

Remember when Clinton used it that one time?

Remember the Supreme Court did declare it Unconstitutional.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a Presidential Dictatorship, but more of a Political Party Oligarchy.

898 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:28pm
899 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:30pm

re: #878 ConservatismNow!

I was about to say "But some states have citizens who would put all their money towards the Arts."
But then I realized that those people don't pay taxes.
But then I realized that those same people would go out an get jobs in order to pay taxes towards the Arts.
It's a win.

Huh?

900 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:35pm

Has anyone seen this video yet?

(I recommend it...)

901 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:39pm

re: #824 UncleRancher

Right... Here's my plan for restructuring government. Throw them ALL out and start over. All administration and legislative branches: complete re-do. The few goodn's we have in there can take another turn later, but right now it's time for a real change we can believe in.

Whadaya think?

We need to include many of the bureaucrats, too, especially the State Department.

902 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:01:47pm

re: #896 WriterMom

Well, I'm outa here.

Ciao for now and Shabbat Shalom to the Joooish lizardim.

Laidher!

903 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #891 WriterMom

Nice stripping.

I'd hate to see the look when people read your comment about stripping, and then go back and view the video.
;)

904 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:05pm

re: #888 ladycatnip

Wish we could go back to the early days and whenever tax hikes are on the ballot or bond issues, only property owners can vote.

And that would go over about as long as it takes to blink.

God, I have spoken on this many times. I find that "property owners" are all for it. Go figure. I would be all for raising the voting age back to 21.

905 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:24pm

re: #898 taxfreekiller

Why should I trust my fellow voters when they're the ones who gave us this mess?

906 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:27pm

re: #655 KingKenrod

It's amazing what a barefoot girl in the corner (with a bunch of electronics) can do!

907 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:29pm

re: #901 Kosh's Shadow

We need to include many of the bureaucrats, too, especially the State Department.

ALL departments.

too many beauracrats whose only job is to get an assistant to blame everything on so that they never get fired (and their "empires" are larger)

908 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:02:46pm

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

PIMF "one" = "won." What the hell is wrong with me?

You caught what I have ..

909 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:11pm

(did that link work?)

910 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:26pm

re: #862 Salamantis

It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.

Really hard to see.

911 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:29pm

Good afternoon everyone! Way off any topic,
This is one of my favorite times of the year, because the whales are back.
You know it is spring here when the North Atlantic Right Whales head to Cape Cod Bay to feed. We have record numbers this year, and the local paper has some great aerial shots of them. Unless you have seen one of these incredible creatures in person, it is hard to visualize how enormous and graceful they are, and it has always been a great experience going out to see them close up every chance I get. Thought I would share.
There is a link at the bottom of the story to get to the pics.

[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]
AID=/20090327/NEWS11/90327022

912 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:45pm

re: #905 Sharmuta

Why should I trust my fellow voters when they're the ones who gave us this mess?

Sharm my dear, I've been in your camp before.

The problem is that it just devolves almost into madness and despair.

You have to have some sort of hope, otherwise there well and truly IS no point.

913 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:03:59pm

re: #868 buzzsawmonkey

Line item veto = Presidential dictatorship.

Not necessarily. You have a public document with a spotlight on what was either passed or vetoed. It's not as amorphous as just signing a huge bill or not signing. It's open to less interpretation. If a President vetos a particular item, you know that President's position on it. It brings clarity and less room for the "awe, shucks I signed because of the good things in the bill" approach of the Bush years, or the clarity that would come, say, from Obama vetoing spending limitations or military funding.

914 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:25pm

The voting citizens of this country are masochistic.

915 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:26pm

re: #910 Taqiyyotomist

It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.

Really hard to see.

You tell me, I have to vote absentee 9 times out of 10.

The Al Franken bullshit just pisses me off.

916 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:04:32pm

re: #904 Noam Chumpski

I'm not a property owner, and I'm all for it.

917 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:07pm

re: #897 Hengineer

Remember the Supreme Court did declare it Unconstitutional.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a Presidential Dictatorship, but more of a Political Party Oligarchy.

Yes, which is why he only got one shot at it.

I don't think that it ever occurred to me that you (as President) are wielding too much specific power over the Legislative Branch. A full veto, that's one thing, but line-by-line... It is in the direction of dictatorial.

918 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:31pm

re: #899 Alouette

Starving artists, Alouette. See my #834

919 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:33pm

The line item veto was declared unconstitutional. A better mechanism for controling spending would be a Balanced Budget Amendment.

Or elections [eye roll].

920 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #884 Sharmuta

My positive, hard working attitude reminded me of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and it's not good enough apparently. I'm supposed to continue to have faith in an ill-informed and ignorant electorate. I reject that idea, but you're all telling me I'm off my rocker because I don't trust my fellow voters. Please help me. Show me why I should have faith in my fellow voters to do the right thing and vote these assholes out of office and that new members will be responsible with our money. Please.

Because giving up should not be an option.

921 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:50pm

re: #913 Russkilitlover

Not necessarily. You have a public document with a spotlight on what was either passed or vetoed. It's not as amorphous as just signing a huge bill or not signing. It's open to less interpretation. If a President vetos a particular item, you know that President's position on it. It brings clarity and less room for the "awe, shucks I signed because of the good things in the bill" approach of the Bush years, or the clarity that would come, say, from Obama vetoing spending limitations or military funding.

Imagine if we had line item vetos now.

Imagine if a Democrat and a Republican actually work together on something, a tit-for-tat bill that overall ain't a horrible thing.

Obama comes along and decides the Republican part of the bill just needs to go, but the Democrat item can be passed along.

Now tell me if its worth it.

922 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:05:54pm
923 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:06pm

re: #919 Sharmuta

The line item veto was declared unconstitutional. A better mechanism for controling spending would be a Balanced Budget Amendment.

Or elections [eye roll].

Or [deleted].

924 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:09pm

This link works. The story is at the very top.
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]

925 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:23pm

Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.

926 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #894 Sharmuta

No- the GOP runs on this issue like in 1994 and we take back Congress and pass this puppy. Any GOP that doesn't want to support fiscal responsibility should not get any decent, American loving conservative's vote.

DING!

Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.

1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.

927 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #925 NYCHardhat

Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.

What government?

/s

928 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:53pm

re: #870 Nevergiveup

I have the orangemen beating you.

929 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:06:58pm

re: #920 Russkilitlover

Because giving up should not be an option.

But that is basically what I'm being told with this notion that elections control congressional spending. They don't and that's a fact.

930 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:00pm

re: #916 Taqiyyotomist

I'm not a property owner, and I'm all for it.

Same here, but I was trying to be funny. :)

931 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:43pm

re: #926 jcm

DING!

Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.

1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.

NOW you're starting to get the method of my madness! Break though- thank you merciful God!

932 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:07:45pm

re: #930 Noam Chumpski

Same here, but I was trying to be funny. :)

Considering the "broad" definition of property, almost anybody can be considered a property owner.

and with things like Eminent domain, do we TRULY own the land?

933 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:07pm

re: #931 Sharmuta

NOW you're starting to get the method of my madness! Break though- thank you merciful God!

She's smiling, she's really smiling

934 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #904 Noam Chumpski

God, I have spoken on this many times. I find that "property owners" are all for it. Go figure. I would be all for raising the voting age back to 21.

There is just about zero difference mentally and emotionally between 18 and 21 year olds in America now, unless those 21 year olds have been in the military for 3 years. If you want to get empty-headed kids out of the voting booth you'd have to raise the voting age up to somewhere between 28-32.

935 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:11pm

re: #797 turn

Oh man hengineer, you hit on one of my sore spots. I can't believe how friggin stooopid voters are in CA, they literally don't have a clue how this shit gets paid for. Classic example, the gd stem cell boondoggle made me furious because I knew the progress science was making on adult stem cells at the time and saw right through the BS. The other thing is people completely loose track of where the money is being spent. Can you tell me where the stem cell money is going?

The initiative process is killing CA. As good as it is in getting issues to the electorate, it is just as easily abused. Every single election there is a list of propositions that promise the world but don't say how they will be funded. Mixed in with those are propositions that lock in a specific amount, or establish a specific tax, for the funding. Mandated funding in these initiatives has made the CA budget process truly labyrinthine. Several years ago I saw a fact sheet that said something like two-thirds of the budget was imposed by law and could not be adjusted without legislation. Combine that with powerful special interests that jealously safeguard their little pieces of the budget that might be subject to cuts, and you get what we have now. It is the very definition of fiscal insanity.

936 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:25pm

re: #927 Hengineer

What government?

/s

High five!

*Borat voice*

937 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:29pm

My idea: If you pay more in taxes than you receive in tax rebates, you can vote.

I wouldn't be able to vote, under my plan. But this isn't about me.
:)

938 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:08:50pm

re: #936 NYCHardhat

High five!

*Borat voice*

Very nice!

939 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:02pm

re: #910 Taqiyyotomist

It's really hard to see this when I know my vote will be cancelled out by 2, 5, 10, or 25 illegal, fraudulent votes, and that mine may even be thrown out itself by some pollworker whose party matters more than their eithics, or that it will be stuffed in the back of a file-cabinet, or that it will be erased, or that it will be changed to be a vote for the Democrat.

Really hard to see.

WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.

King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.

940 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:03pm

re: #932 Hengineer

Considering the "broad" definition of property, almost anybody can be considered a property owner.

and with things like Eminent domain, do we TRULY own the land?

What if it is defined as specifically paying property taxes to the government on land that you hold title to?

941 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:31pm

re: #937 Taqiyyotomist

My idea: If you pay more in taxes than you receive in tax rebates, you can vote.

I wouldn't be able to vote, under my plan. But this isn't about me.
:)

If you are a PAYING TAXPAYER, you can vote.

942 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:43pm

re: #934 ArchangelMichael

There is just about zero difference mentally and emotionally between 18 and 21 year olds in America now, unless those 21 year olds have been in the military for 3 years. If you want to get empty-headed kids out of the voting booth you'd have to raise the voting age up to somewhere between 28-32.

I don't disagree with you at all, I guess I'm just shooting low today.

943 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:54pm

re: #940 Noam Chumpski

What if it is defined as specifically paying property taxes to the government on land that you hold title to?

Well there you go

944 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:09:56pm

re: #926 jcm

DING!

Nationalize the '10 election like Gingrich nationalized '94.

1) Fiscal Responsibility. (the real deal not socialism lite)
2) National Security. Strong military, border control.
3) Limiting Government. Roll back of government intrusion.

I'm down. Now we need the "Gingrich".

945 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:03pm
946 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:04pm

re: #939 jcm

Oh, I know all about that fiasco. I wasn't even touching the local and state frauds.

947 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #939 jcm

WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.

King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.

I loved that, the Democrats kept recounting until the Democrats won.

948 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:41pm
949 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #925 NYCHardhat

Well...On my first beer. I'm going to see how many it will take until I don't remember about the government.

Add alitttle scotch. it will get ya there faster.

950 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:10:55pm

re: #881 Lee Coller

Those numbers quoted don't line up with the data from the link provided. For example, in 2006 there were 1,875 active military deaths, not the 920 quoted above.

Thank you.

951 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:27pm

re: #949 Nevergiveup

Add alitttle scotch. it will get ya there faster.

A Little scotch?

beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.

952 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #951 Hengineer

A Little scotch?

beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.

And yes, scotch is a whiskey

/need I say the obvious?

953 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #921 Hengineer

Imagine if we had line item vetos now.

Imagine if a Democrat and a Republican actually work together on something, a tit-for-tat bill that overall ain't a horrible thing.

Obama comes along and decides the Republican part of the bill just needs to go, but the Democrat item can be passed along.

Now tell me if its worth it.

That's happening now. But now, you can have President Teleprompter use his bully pulpit to blow sunshine up everyone's ass. If the people saw your scenario enacted over and over, and it created positions for Republicans, I think the message would come into sharper focus and some - even in the MSM - just MIGHT start asking the right questions.

954 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:06pm
955 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:14pm

re: #951 Hengineer

A Little scotch?

beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.

Then who drinks the triple skim half-caffe mocha latte?

956 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:17pm

re: #951 Hengineer

A Little scotch?

beer is what WOMEN drink. Whiskey is what MEN drink.

No, real men drink gasoline straight from the tank and then light it when they pee, but I'm not going to be too hard on you for not knowing that.

/

Is it Friday yet?

957 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:32pm

#939 jcm

WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.

King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.

This goes to one of my favorite Joseph Stalin quotes:

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
958 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:42pm

Im going on a date with my ex-boyfriend tonite. We havent dated in 8 years. Our last date he told me at dinner that he wanted to break up. The restaurant was a 10 min walk from my house so I slipped out the back after excusing myself to use the restroom. He sat there for a good 45 mins. before realizing I was gone. Why am I doing this to myself? Someone stop me.

959 turn  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:22pm

re: #935 CyanSnowHawk

Yes, it's unsustainable as we're now beginning to experience. FWIW, I vote no on just about everything and encourage the whole family to too. Unless it's one of those trick measures where a "yes" really means a "no". The high speed train was yet another measure where things just didn't add up for turn.

960 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:18:02pm

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To help myself make it though these hard economic times, I plan to start teaching courses on sailing ship puns.

Throws 2 by 4 into freezer, I'll be back later so I can shiver my timber...:)

961 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #939 jcm

WA '04 Governors election.
3rd recount the (D) won with 133 votes our of 2.8 million state wide votes cast.

King Co. WA (Seattle) tallied 2000 more ballots than voters who voted.

Why wasn't this challenged in court. Was it Rossi that decided not to?
I know if it was the other way around, a Democrat would have litigated the issue to the gates of hell...

962 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:01pm

If the Democrats were in a boat with us, and the boat suddenly popped a quarter-size hole in the bottom, their leaders would get up and begin drilling another hole, even bigger. When we complained about this obvious idiocy, their supporters in the boat would say to us, "Well, at least they're doing something!"

Just a thought.

963 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:22pm

re: #961 LGoPs

It costs money to challenge things in court. Democrats from top to bottom have the unlimited funds available to them from Soros and a hundred "organizations" in order to pursue litigation to the gates of hell. It really is all about money. And the Republicans are certainly not the Party of the Rich.

Democrats are currently using this bit of knowlege to try and bankrupt Sarah Palin with a slew of ethics lawsuits. She already owes upwards of $400,000 in legal bills. And she doesn't have Soros' Carte Blanche.

964 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:03pm

re: #954 taxfreekiller

The Do Not Honor Murtha petition is running about 2 seconds for each new signature.

While not a petition, one can vote in a poll here: [Link: www.military.com...]

Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?

Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.

No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.

Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.

965 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:06pm

re: #956 Noam Chumpski

No, real men drink gasoline straight from the tank and then light it when they pee, but I'm not going to be too hard on you for not knowing that.

/

Is it Friday yet?

Watched "Top Secret" recently?
(One of the French Resistance members, a big black guy named "Chocolate Moose", drinks gasoline in the movie, but he spits to get the explosions.)

966 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:14pm

re: #790 jcm

Iran and Nato end 30-year impasse

And the centrifuges spin...

That has to be the fastest the EU has moved on anything, period. I'd sure like to know who on the Euro's side came-up with this brilliant idea.

It both sells out Israel and protects the Mullah's - we(THE US and nato) just have to have that transport route through Iran into Afghanistan.

967 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #965 Kosh's Shadow

Watched "Top Secret" recently?
(One of the French Resistance members, a big black guy named "Chocolate Moose", drinks gasoline in the movie, but he spits to get the explosions.)

No, but - wow - thanks for reminding me. I will soon.

968 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:30:46pm

Back in she creeps. Observing the free killer is on the loose, she hugs the walls. She will nevergiveup her quest, she must find the hengineer to make sure her quest is Sharm-less, she need not pluck the skylark, the codfish can stay safe in the cape. the Hengineer has suggested a hardhat from NYC. Where will she find the bastard who stole her vegetables and killered her tomatoes.

969 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:10pm

re: #963 Taqiyyotomist

It costs money to challenge things in court. Democrats from top to bottom have the unlimited funds available to them from Soros and a hundred "organizations" in order to pursue litigation to the gates of hell. It really is all about money. And the Republicans are certainly not the Party of the Rich.

Democrats are currently using this bit of knowlege to try and bankrupt Sarah Palin with a slew of ethics lawsuits. She already owes upwards of $400,000 in legal bills. And she doesn't have Soros' Carte Blanche.

You are correct and it makes my blood boil. Ironically, Republicans have the sterotype of the rich fat cat imprinted all over them even though the biggest spenders are on the Democratic side. I don't know how you overcome and change that image. And image is, if not everything, still a helluva lot.

970 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #965 Kosh's Shadow

I haven't seen that in years

971 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:46pm

re: #961 LGoPs

Why wasn't this challenged in court. Was it Rossi that decided not to?
I know if it was the other way around, a Democrat would have litigated the issue to the gates of hell...

The (R) fumbled the challenge pure and simple.

The focused on suspected felon voters. Not the actual recount mechanics.

972 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:28pm

Hi, everyone. I just got chased off the creationist thread. What's going on here.

973 Engnrman  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:00pm

Opening communication channel with wife. Acquiring Beefeater's and tonic. Energizing KAHR PM45. Attempting mind meld with strange furry creature from Siberia. TGIFF

New Lizard logging off.

974 Piglet-U93  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #972 Soona'

not much this thread is fading

975 ladycatnip  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:25pm

#958 KenJen

Im going on a date with my ex-boyfriend tonite. We havent dated in 8 years. Our last date he told me at dinner that he wanted to break up. The restaurant was a 10 min walk from my house so I slipped out the back after excusing myself to use the restroom. He sat there for a good 45 mins. before realizing I was gone. Why am I doing this to myself? Someone stop me.

Stop!

Seriously, people are who they are. If he wants to get back with you, I can pretty much guarantee he'll break up with you again. How do I know this? Personal experience, and watching my daughter's experience with these guys. Give guys a chance who don't match your type, i.e. tall dark and handsome - so try a shorter version with brown hair and glasses. My daughter did and she's got a gem.

You want a guy who is willing to pursue you (not you pursuing him), convince you, win you over, and spoil you rotten. Loyalty, honor, hard-working, integrity and kindness. Can't lose with those qualities in a man.

976 WoodstockDave  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:13pm

I just thought of something good to come out of Barry Bailout's disastrous administration. We will never, ever again have to listen to some idiot Democrat complain about the deficit spending of any previous Republican President.

977 Bob Dillon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:46pm

re: #976 WoodstockDave

I just thought of something good to come out of Barry Bailout's disastrous administration. We will never, ever again have to listen to some idiot Democrat complain about the deficit spending of any previous Republican President.

You are dreaming ... We will always hear about it and that Zer0s Admin was the most successful in history. No matter what reality or the facts are. "a lie repeated often enough becomes truth".

978 Empire1  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:26pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

Well I'm on the verge of tears here because I'm being told the solution is to continue with the system as we have it now.

Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of what again?

Yup, insanity.

I'm in the same boat you are. I've voted and voted and voted (want your candidate to win? Bribe me to vote the other way!), made no difference. Things just keep going further and further downhill. Can't afford to move out into the boonies and go off-grid, either. Fortunately, I'm old enough I (probably) won't be around to see the total triumph of tyranny here.

979 UncleRancher  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:58pm

re: #972 Soona'

Hi, everyone. I just got chased off the creationist thread. What's going on here.

That happened to me the other day. I mistakenly used a creationalisticism

980 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #250 Charles

My point is simple -- there is no mandatory service in that bill. The government commissions thousands of studies every year.

Unfortunately there are people out there who are telling lies about it. You cannot trust what you read in some blogs and especially not what you read in World Net Daily.

Text of H.R. 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act

HR 1388 PCS

Calendar No. 35

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1388

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 19, 2009

Received; read twice and placed on the calendar

AN ACT

To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
[snip]

With the caveat that it's not an official govt website, this looks like the official Bill. Have not read it thoroughly, merely skimmed, but it appears to have far more detail and breadth than would seem appropriate for merely commissioning a study. It seems to be maddeningly and mind-numbingly detailed, but yet pregnant with vague terms and ambiguities, sufficiently broad and vacuous as to support driving alternate universes through.

981 EngnrMan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:07:57pm

re:#776

I could hardly be more disappointed in the results of the last election, but I am heartened to see the utter arrogant stupidity that Obama and his administration is proceeding with. We are in for a rough four years, but at the end of it a lot of the "hopey mcchange" crowd are going to swing back toward conservatism. Not the far left, they NEVER will, but the dolts in the middle that can't seem to decide which side they are on, they will at least be influenced by their actual condition and the condition of the country. So, is the glass half full (pauses, sips gin and tonic)? Well, as a cynical engineer type, I see the glass as half empty, dirty and cracked. Yet each news cycle brings hope and anger. The bitch of it is I had to make room in the gun safe to start hoarding cash. At any rate (4 1/2%?), I am not going to give the liberals a free pass. Keep voting, organize people if that is your skill (not mine, I admit) and stay informed, which this blog is excellent for. The political attitude of this country pendulates (word?) back and forth and it will swing away from the present crap. Of course, if you follow that to it's logical conclusion then it will swing back toward this crap, and then away again, and then back...damn, need another drink.

982 salsanchips  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 1:21:11am

"Bozos" -- I loved that album by FS and need to hear it again.

"uh, Clem!"

983 'Tired Guy  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #981 EngnrMan

As another cynical engineer, I agree with all that you said. Regarding the alternation of good and bad, I am beginning to understand the Old Testament history of "good kings, bad kings" much better now. It wasn't an indictment of the kings themselves, so much as a demonstration of the lack of unity in the population. Like our present lack of unity.


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