From the March 25, 2009 hearing of the US House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment, Illinois Republican Congressman John Shimkus says we don’t need to worry about climate change, because the book of Genesis says God will decide when the world is supposed to end.
Well, that’s a load off my mind.
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CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:13:15pm |
They are so serious when they say stupid things.
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rabidfox Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:14:44pm |
We don't need that type of crap to fight the global warming juggernut.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:15:18pm |
Is this some sort of twisted Christian nihilism, or something?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:15:27pm |
"Good news and bad news John. The good news is that there is golf in heaven. The bad news? You have a 9am tee-off tomorrow morning."
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:16:44pm |
re: #3 rabidfox
We don't need that type of crap to fight the global warming juggernut.
Right. Cooler heads must prevail.
(I crack myself up)
Seriously, actual scientists with actual data should be the way to fight the global warming nonsense.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:16:53pm |
re: #3 rabidfox
We don't need that type of crap to fight the global warming juggernut.
Those who wish to confront AGW will have to do so with real science, so it's ironic that the one thing creationists need on their side in the AGW debate is the one thing they're actively trying to undermine.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:17:41pm |
When the world does end we will need very advanced science and technology if we are to survive. It's the anti-science types who try to ensure doom for all of humanity when that day does come, but isn't there a saying about "God helps those who..."
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pious agnostic Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:18:17pm |
Hey, the world is ending in 2012 when Planet X crashes in the the Earth! That's the real reason we don't have to worry about Global Warming!
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debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:19:03pm |
The blond is texting someone about how stupid the back of his head is.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:20:17pm |
I drank so much last night that I don't think I could rub two brain cells together if they were dogs in heat. Maybe that's why this guy's argument makes sense to me right now.
///
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calvin coolidge Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:20:59pm |
What's all this about Barack deciding when the world will end?
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:21:06pm |
A fine example of why I am a Conservative, not a Republican.
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MJBrutus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:21:14pm |
Crazies on all sides! If it's not the evangelicals from the Church Of AGW, it's the run of the mill evangelicals spouting dogmatic BS. Can we please find some sane and rational people to listen to?
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:21:35pm |
Shimkus might well consider a politician taking a reading from some other religious book as justification for his decisions to be a fanatic.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:23:19pm |
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:23:41pm |
re: #8 Thanos
Pretty sure the Bible says we're to be good stewards of this planet, too.
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MajorTom Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:24:19pm |
I paid more heed to the green shirt that dashed in and out of the scene than that nutbar
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:25:00pm |
First the trees here all iced, now there's a heavy wet snow. This is one of those nights when I will be awakened at several points to the sound of cracking branches.
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Shay4l Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:25:05pm |
re: #22 MajorTom
I paid more heed to the green shirt that dashed in and out of the scene than that nutbar
If he was wearing a red shirt, he'd be dead already!
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:25:08pm |
TOTUS promised to lower the ocean levels and I intend to hold him to it.
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Truck Monkey Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:25:11pm |
I think that the world will end when G-d wants it to. I would never be so bold as to predict when that is. Do I fear global warming? No. It is folly to think that we affect the weather in any way, shape, or form. IMHO.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:25:56pm |
re: #14 NukeAtomrod
A fine example of why I am a Conservative, not a Republican.
Because there is a nitwit in the GOP? Good luck finding a party that doesn't have a nitwit in it.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:27:03pm |
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:27:37pm |
re: #27 Boxy_brown
Because there is a nitwit in the GOP? Good luck finding a party that doesn't have a nitwit in it.
So true. Whenever I have a party and we are drinking - we are all nitwits.
:>)
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:28:33pm |
We had some lovely climate change here in New England today. 60 plus degrees, clear blue skies, and I wasn't the least bit afraid.
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:28:43pm |
We are all immortal until the minute God calls us home. So who needs a parachute?
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:29:17pm |
re: #29 monkeytime
Whenever I have a party and we are drinking - we are all nitwits.
Was that you the other night with the lampshade on your head?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:29:30pm |
He also supports school prayer
[Link: quiz.ontheissues.org...]
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:29:32pm |
re: #27 Boxy_brown
Because there is a nitwit in the GOP? Good luck finding a party that doesn't have a nitwit in it.
I honestly don't care about being in a political party. I think for myself, thank you very much.
And he's far from the only nitwit in the GOP.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:29:37pm |
re: #10 debutaunt
The blond is texting someone about how stupid the back of his head is.
I just got that! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sometimes, iz is just a leetle slow...
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:30:24pm |
re: #32 Boxy_brown
Was that you the other night with the lampshade on your head?
I don't have that much intelligence, or style for that matter.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:30:37pm |
not much has changed....or ever will
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buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:31:02pm |
i think we'd all like to know who the blond hottie in the background is.
shes v.pleasing on the eye.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:31:18pm |
re: #34 NukeAtomrod
I honestly don't care about being in a political party. I think for myself, thank you very much.
Gee, congratulations. Wonder what that's like. /
And he's far from the only nitwit in the GOP.
Sure... Look at the alternative.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:32:25pm |
Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition
[Link: quiz.ontheissues.org...]
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:33:39pm |
why does he get this wide-eyed paranoid look in his eye right after he says "infallible word of god"?
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pious agnostic Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:35:14pm |
re: #41 SpaceJesus
why does he get this wide-eyed paranoid look in his eye right after he says "infallible word of god"?
I think he's fearing for the infallible smack-down of god.
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:35:15pm |
re: #28 NukeAtomrod
Found this on Malkin's site. I'm celebrating tonight!
[Link: blip.tv...]
Human Achievement Hour
This reminds me of high school when you would tell all the uncool kids that everyone was staying home on Saturday night to study and really everyone else went out. I wonder who will be sitting home alone in the dark tonight "with everyone else".
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:35:33pm |
re: #39 Boxy_brown
Now don't jump to conclusions here. The Democrats are worse. I just can't identify myself as a Republican when the are so many nutjobs like this fellow in the party. I believe in conservative principles, so I call myself a Conservative.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:36:30pm |
Faith in God is no excuse for stupidity.
Or littering.
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:36:52pm |
re: #44 NukeAtomrod
Now don't jump to conclusions here. The Democrats are worse. I just can't identify myself as a Republican when the are so many nutjobs like this fellow in the party. I believe in conservative principles, so I call myself a Conservative.
I think Boxy's point is that regardless of what you call yourself, you vote Republican because there isn't another conservative party out there who can win at the moment.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:37:38pm |
re: #43 monkeytime
This reminds me of high school when you would tell all the uncool kids that everyone was staying home on Saturday night to study and really everyone else went out. I wonder who will be sitting home alone in the dark tonight "with everyone else".
You bastards, I stayed home and studied! /
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:38:24pm |
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:38:32pm |
re: #24 Shay4l
If he was wearing a red shirt, he'd be dead already!
She. The green shirt wearer was female.
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Bobblehead Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:39:00pm |
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:39:34pm |
re: #50 Raydog
What's with the hard on for religious people lately? Who gives a sh!t?
It's not for religious people. There are plenty of us with faith here. We are just tired of the stupid religious people who make us all look bad.
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pat Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:39:39pm |
God clearly believes in climate change. Because he does it so often. Ask the people of Fargo.
Death by water.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:40:03pm |
Penn Says: Knowing God Doesn't Exist
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:40:31pm |
re: #50 Raydog
What's with the
hardfocus onfor religious peoplelaw makers lately? Who gives a sh!t?
Fixed for better accuracy.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:41:02pm |
re: #50 Raydog
Because the Republican Party can't win elections with people who reject science. The Dems will tear them apart. That's why Charles is doing this. You can't win elections with a split party.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:41:11pm |
The climate changes a lot without human help anyway.
But why drag Genesis into it?
What a sorry spectacle.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:41:37pm |
re: #44 NukeAtomrod
Now don't jump to conclusions here.
Fair enough. I saw the Malkin reference and the repudiation of the GOP and the thought crossed my mind that you were one of those folks that trashed the admittedly weak republican candidate through the election all the way to an Obama victory. If so that is certainly your right, it's just not particularly "conservative" to help elect an America hating socialist.
"I believe in conservative principles, so I call myself a Conservative."
Overall, I do as well. But I believe the GOP and conservatism need each other, and to try to separate the 2 will lead to the weakening of both. My 2 cents.
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:41:49pm |
re: #51 Bobblehead
I love the illustration of the teleprompter that is a take-off of the "iconic" HOPE poster. lol.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:42:44pm |
re: #42 pious agnostic
I think he's fearing for the infallible smack-down of god.
He's probably one of those politicians who gets really fired up about religion, but secretly likes to be dressed in diapers and beaten with leather whips and paddles by 13 year old Malaysian slave boys.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:43:13pm |
re: #60 littleoldlady
Good evening! It's half time and little old lady shows up..It doesn't get any better..
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NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:43:27pm |
He said there were members of the clergy on the panel.
So maybe it was appropriate. He did mention CO2 levels
higher when the dinos were on the earth.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:43:47pm |
re: #56 ConservatismNow!
You can't win elections with a split party.
Or by running folks that can quote chapter and verse but can't balance their checking account.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:43:50pm |
Congressman Shimkus embarrasses me. But I don't know if it's because I'm a Republican or a Christian. Or maybe it's because I know OwlGore's fabrications are just that, fabrications, and that's all that need be said.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:44:07pm |
re: #58 Boxy_brown
Check out the Modern Whig Party, because it might not be worth trying to go with wither main party now, they seem each to be firmly in the grip of their fringe people.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:44:15pm |
re: #50 Raydog
What a stupid comment. Are islamists not religious people, and do you not give a sh!t about them?
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:44:32pm |
OT: In other news, thousands upon thousands in Europe march and protest in time for the G20 meetings. They want the death of capitalism because it won't work. They want to spread the wealth so everyone has jobs, housing, medical etc. They even had signs that said "spread the wealth". I find it ironic that every country also had signs that said "we won't pay for your mistake".
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:45:04pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
I bet you expect me to march onto the field with my trombone, too, donja?
Hoosier! :-)
What time is the Villanova game?
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:45:08pm |
re: #61 SpaceJesus
I'm fairly certain there are websites available to express fantasy's such as those you so vividly describe.
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descolada9 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:45:12pm |
Note to the Republican Party: Please stop saying stupid things! Especially when cameras are running! It's "cute" when Joe Biden says idiocy and a chuckle when Barak Obama says them, but it's a disaster when Republicans say stupid things! You'd think they would have learned this by now!
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:45:48pm |
How about we don't worry about Global Warming because it's an imaginary issue?
Whether this guy was referencing the Old Testament because so many of our Founding Fathers did or because he OD'ed on Jimmy Swaggart as a child isn't a big issue to me. He's got it right, either way.
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:05pm |
re: #68 Sharmuta
Some people forget there are a variety of religions.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:09pm |
Blasphemy Laws! Feat. everyone's favorite atheist.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:23pm |
re: #73 descolada9
You are asking for an impossibility IMHO.
Politics attracts stupid people in these days.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:27pm |
I have a problem with electeds in our government reading scripture, from whatever book. This guy is a jackass.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:47pm |
re: #50 Raydog
Now that you've told Charles that his carpet sucks, are you gonna' pee on his dining room table?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:46:54pm |
re: #75 Lincolntf
Whether this guy was referencing the Old Testament because so many of our Founding Fathers
Where are you getting that from?
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:47:04pm |
re: #67 Ojoe
Check out the Modern Whig Party, because it might not be worth trying to go with wither main party now, they seem each to be firmly in the grip of their fringe people.
We need to take back the GOP from the screw ups and the crazies. We don't have the 30 years to invent a new party.
Additionally, if you can sell people on the "Whig party" you and I need to go into business selling ice to polar bears.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:47:05pm |
re: #50 Raydog
What's with the hard on for religious people lately? Who gives a sh!t?
I didn't down-ding ya so much for this comment, but more for your next one.
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:47:41pm |
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:47:50pm |
re: #72 vagabond trader
I'm fairly certain there are websites available to express fantasy's such as those you so vividly describe.
I'm sure Mr. Shimkus is well-acquainted with many of them
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:47:58pm |
From Surveying `Da Situation: Memories of Dad P
Written by John D. Matonich, LS
In order to feed a growing family, my father kept a vegetable garden behind our house. One year he received permission to plant an additional garden on a vacant city lot we didn't own. I think the reason Dad got permission was because the lot was severely overgrown and the owner knew my father wouldn't rest until the lot was cleared and the ground was ready for planting. My father took his gardening very seriously, but I know it was always a labor of love. He worked every day on this lot for several weeks before he could till the soil and plant it. He then spent all summer picking rocks, weeding, and caring for the vegetables growing tall and strong.As it turned out, this particular lot was located on a route used by one of the local parish priests for his daily stroll around town. He couldn't help but watch the hard work and progress Dad made on this garden spot. In the early fall, the fruits of his labor were ready to harvest and Dad had stepped back to admire the garden just as the priest walked by. "Poncho," the priest called to him, "You and the Lord certainly have a beautiful garden." My father hesitated for a moment and replied, "Thank you, Father, but you should have seen it when the Lord had it all by himself."
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:48:02pm |
re: #74 ploome hineni
ploomie! :-)
No, I didn't. And it also never dawned on me to ask why I've never seen his face in profile.
/sheesh
;-)
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:48:16pm |
re: #71 littleoldlady
I bet you expect me to march onto the field with my trombone, too, donja?
Hoosier! :-)
What time is the Villanova game?
Just because you are one of my favorite lizards I'll tell you..But that is the only reason..
7pm EST on CBS..
/Kind regards
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:48:28pm |
re: #75 Lincolntf
How about we don't worry about Global Warming because it's an imaginary issue?
No kidding. And seriously, when the hell is this stupid Ice Age gonna end? I wanna wear my shorts.
//
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:48:47pm |
I can find scriptural passages to justify whatever I want, ranging from apathy to mere idiocy to complete mayhem and terror.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:48:52pm |
re: #58 Boxy_brown
Actually, I just kept my mouth shut about McCain. He was a terrible candidate that I agreed with far more than Obama. When it came right down to it, I voted for Palin and wished she had been at the top of the ticket.
The GOP needs to embrace conservatism before I can become a republican. Until then, I'll remain on the fringes and vote for the most conservative candidate.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:49:23pm |
re: #82 Boxy_brown
Where is the by law of the GOP that allows you to kick out a crazy?
Neither main party now disavows anyone, any ruffian can join them.
All they care about is power.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:49:45pm |
re: #85 Lincolntf
Which ones? Many of the Founders were Deists. Jefferson wrote his own Bible. Washington didn't take communion.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:49:48pm |
re: #75 Lincolntf
How about we don't worry about Global Warming because it's an imaginary issue?
Whether this guy was referencing the Old Testament because so many of our Founding Fathers did or because he OD'ed on Jimmy Swaggart as a child isn't a big issue to me. He's got it right, either way.
uh, no.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:50:41pm |
Also OT: Just saw the Watchmen Thursday night. Excellent movie, in my opinion. NOT a kid's movie and NOT a superhero movie. Unlike it seems most of the Yahoo user reviews, seeing male nudity does not bother me or offend me. Dr. Manhattan is naked because clothes are beneath him. when you are essentially a demigod, putting on clothing seems kind of trivial. I don't know why this thread reminded me of that. I think it was the ending. Peace based on a lie?
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:51:29pm |
re: #95 Sharmuta
Which ones? Many of the Founders were Deists. Jefferson wrote his own Bible. Washington didn't take communion.
Ben Franklin was a Deist, as were many of the other great European thinkers of their time.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:51:54pm |
re: #94 Ojoe
Where is the by law of the GOP that allows you to kick out a crazy?
Not a by law, the primaries.
Neither main party now disavows anyone, any ruffian can join them.
Ruffian? You forgot scoundrels and cads!
Sorry Ojoe, I can't join the Whig party until the Rogane party boots me out.
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wiffersnapper Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:51:56pm |
Well I agree with the first part that manmade global warming is bullshit! Isn't that enough?
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Fast Eddie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:52:16pm |
The Great Global Warming Hoax is already causing a misallocation of mankind's resources on a scale not seen since the construction of the Pyramids.
And who gets noticed as opponents of the GGWH? For some reason it's always bozos like this guy, not serious scientists who look at actual data.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:52:36pm |
re: #92 NukeAtomrod
Actually, I just kept my mouth shut about McCain. He was a terrible candidate that I agreed with far more than Obama. When it came right down to it, I voted for Palin and wished she had been at the top of the ticket.
The GOP needs to embrace conservatism before I can become a republican. Until then, I'll remain on the fringes and vote for the most conservative candidate.
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:52:48pm |
re: #61 SpaceJesus
There is such a lack of decency about you.
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burntjohn Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:52:57pm |
Crackpot biblethumpers are scary!
The leftists ones are worse, they preach "green gospel" that global warming is punishment for our sins against the planet.
Pick your poison.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:52:59pm |
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:53:11pm |
re: #98 ConservatismNow!
Ben Franklin was a Deist, as were many of the other great European thinkers of their time.
Oh- I'm well aware:
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -in Poor Richard's Almanac
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:53:13pm |
re: #99 Boxy_brown
Ruffian? You forgot scoundrels and cads!
Sorry Ojoe, I can't join the Whig party until the Rogane party boots me out.
They only let the jackanapes in.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:53:19pm |
re: #102 SpaceJesus
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
You were going to vote for Tina Fey?
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capitalist piglet Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:53:26pm |
re: #61 SpaceJesus
He's probably one of those politicians who gets really fired up about religion, but secretly likes to be dressed in diapers and beaten with leather whips and paddles by 13 year old Malaysian slave boys.
He could be that, or he could be a Democrat who openly likes it, I suppose. On the left it's called a "resume enhancer".
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:53:26pm |
re: #100 wiffersnapper
Well I agree with the first part that manmade global warming is bullshit! Isn't that enough?
If the argument can be made without providing our opponents with the material to completely discredit us at the same time, that would be an improvement.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:54:00pm |
re: #95 Sharmuta
Many of the Founders were Deists.
in the classical sense, the definition of dieist has evolved since the 1770's to something closer to an atheist. The Diests believed that since god gave us free will it was also the freedom to fail.
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:54:16pm |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
Just because you are one of my favorite lizards I'll tell you..But that is the only reason..
7pm EST on CBS..
/Kind regards
Thanks! :-)
/don't worry. I'm not watching. Just getting info for someone who actually cares... ;-)
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:54:47pm |
re: #101 Fast Eddie
The Great Global Warming Hoax is already causing a misallocation of mankind's resources on a scale not seen since the construction of the Pyramids.
And who gets noticed as opponents of the GGWH? For some reason it's always bozos like this guy, not serious scientists who look at actual data.
And Cap and Trade is nothing more than a thinly-veiled limiter of industrial production.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:54:49pm |
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:55:00pm |
There are good scientific reasons to refuse to accept AGW (solar cycles is one of them).
The Bible AIN'T one of them.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:55:29pm |
"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
-George Washington in a letter to Edward Newenham, 1792
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:55:42pm |
re: #95 Sharmuta
Washington in particular, obviously. But also many of the Bostonian Founding Fathers. Every library in the country can help you out if you're unsure of the influence that Judeo-Christian thought had on both the private and public lives of the FF.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:56:00pm |
re: #108 EmmmieG
You were going to vote for Tina Fey?
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
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mfarmer1 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:56:00pm |
Stephen King should write his next horror novel about the offspring from a union between John Shimkus and Maxine Waters.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:56:25pm |
re: #102 SpaceJesus
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
Sir, you are and uninformed flibbertigibbet. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:56:52pm |
Kudos for mentioning CO2 levels in the past vs present, and sounding an alarm about the cost of a cap-and-trade system. Unfortunately, Bible quoting to chastise environuts is not going to work, as they follow their own religion, and it's not science-oriented either. It's feelings-oriented.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:57:06pm |
re: #119 Lincolntf
I have studied the Founders. Extensively. For decades. You're distorting their beliefs.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:57:26pm |
re: #119 Lincolntf
Washington in particular, obviously. But also many of the Bostonian Founding Fathers. Every library in the country can help you out if you're unsure of the influence that Judeo-Christian thought had on both the private and public lives of the FF.
And every library in the world can help you out if you want to know about the effects of The Enlightenment on our founding fathers.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:57:36pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
But neither is the current President. Palin has more executive experience than the Obama and Biden combined.
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brookly red Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:57:44pm |
I find it "interesting" that we as a nation recognize our rights as being "bestowed upon us by our creator", and then not so much else...
just a thought.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:57:59pm |
re: #102 SpaceJesus
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
Better than trusting the word of someone who can't distinguish between Tina Fey and the Governor of Alaska, I suppose.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:58:26pm |
re: #118 Sharmuta
"...would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society...."
That is the telling phrase. The presumption of Christianity as being "Right" was the basis of much of the founding philosophy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:58:33pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
If you were so ill-informed as to think that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house, then you ought not to have been voting.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:58:34pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
Weez in the Whitehouse .... Buuuuudeeeee !
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:15pm |
re: #129 ConservatismNow!
But neither is the current President. Palin has more executive experience than the Obama and Biden combined.
Yes, all of them suck.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:16pm |
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
-John Adams
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:41pm |
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SFGoth Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:47pm |
Then why bother electing Republicans at all? Oh wait, we're not.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:47pm |
Global warming, global cooling. Either way, the climate has changed, is changing, and will continue to change in the future. This is fact, and not bogus.
What is bogus are the stupid, anti-science ideas that are currently floating around that many think will stop it. The Ice Age came and went without the influence of man, and woolly mammoths did not drive SUVs.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:49pm |
re: #102 SpaceJesus
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
I don't know about the former but, SHE NEVER SAID THE LATTER. TINA FEY DID, IDIOT.
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NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:53pm |
A Bishop was on the panel,
so give the man a break.
Tom Karl, Director of the National Climatic Data Center, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
John Stephenson, Director of Natural Resources and Environment, Government Accountability Office
Bishop Callon Holloway, Evangelical Lutheran Church in American, On Behalf of the National Council of Churches
Larry Schweiger, President and CEO, National Wildlife Federation
David Waskow, Climate Change Program Director, Oxfam American
E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., National Spokesman, The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
Lord Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Adviser, Science and Public Policy Institute
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:54pm |
re: #125 Sharmuta
By saying that they often invoked the Old Testament, I'm somehow misrepresenting them? Study harder.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 2:59:56pm |
re: #133 EmmmieG
If you were so ill-informed as to think that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house, then you ought not to have been voting.
You mean Saturday night live isn't a good source to get your news?
Humm....
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:02pm |
"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."
-John Adams
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Dar ul Harbarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:18pm |
Message both negative and positive from Sen. Greggre: #102 SpaceJesus
you would've voted for a beauty queen who believes dinosaurs and people co-existed and who claims she can see russia from her house for president of the united states?
Who is the person of whom you speak?
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:30pm |
In all of nature .. I never expected to be governed by pansies and weeping lillies.
We need some oak and mahogany in the Whitehouse.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:36pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
Well...we did end up with a weasel in the White House, so...there ya go.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:39pm |
re: #142 Lincolntf
I think you're the one who needs more study.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:41pm |
re: #135 SpaceJesus
Yes, all of them suck.
Opinions opinions opinions. You seem to have a lot of them and very little facts.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:00:54pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
To even make that kind of statement shows you are a complete fucking idiot.
I hope you were being funny..even though..you're not very funny jesus
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Dar ul Harbarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:02pm |
WHOOPS....Two posts overlaped. Pimp IS my friend
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:07pm |
re: #119 Lincolntf
Washington in particular, obviously. But also many of the Bostonian Founding Fathers. Every library in the country can help you out if you're unsure of the influence that Judeo-Christian thought had on both the private and public lives of the FF.
Wahington, Jefferson and Franklin believed in a Deist Prime Mover who set the universe in motion, and hasn't bothered with it since; Tom Paine was a public atheist.
The Greco-Roman tradition has had at least as much influence on our form of government as has Judeo-Christianism (where do you think words like democracy and republic came from, anyway?). And the Greeks and Romans were Pagans.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:37pm |
re: #137 SpaceJesus
bio-white house?
Amendment to the Consitution because it doesnt contain the word 'Dude'
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:39pm |
re: #144 Sharmuta
"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."
-John Adams
well that one hits the bulls eye....what was the target tho?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:41pm |
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
-Thomas Jefferson
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Dar ul Harbarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:01:48pm |
re: #151 Dar ul Harbarian
WHOOPS....Two posts overlaped. Pimp IS my friend
I think I will go hide in the shadows now.
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:02:06pm |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:02:07pm |
re: #114 NukeAtomrod
And Cap and Trade is nothing more than a thinly-veiled limiter of industrial production.
/U.N. 'Climate Change' Plan Would Likely Shift Trillions to Form New World Economy
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Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:02:45pm |
We don't need to worry about anthropogenic climate change because it's a con.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:02:45pm |
re: #148 Sharmuta
Okay, Sharmuta.
I'll keep studying real hard and when I find a country that was founded by men who never cited the OT and then named that country the United States of America, I'll let you know.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:03:51pm |
re: #152 Salamantis
When Washington invoked God (Jehovah, at times) who we was he talking about?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:04:10pm |
One of the more orthodox Founders was Samuel Adams. It's not to say no Founders where devout Christians, it's that this meme of the overall devoutness of these Great Men is exaggerated.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:04:14pm |
re: #119 Lincolntf
Reading the constitution you will find that the overwhelming majority of it is dedicated to the construction of our form of government, and how it is to operate.
With this in mind it is much more accurate to state that this nation was founded on Greco-Roman, or pagan if you will, values.
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:04:26pm |
re: #97 ConservatismNow!
Also OT: Just saw the Watchmen Thursday night. Excellent movie, in my opinion. NOT a kid's movie and NOT a superhero movie. Unlike it seems most of the Yahoo user reviews, seeing male nudity does not bother me or offend me. Dr. Manhattan is naked because clothes are beneath him. when you are essentially a demigod, putting on clothing seems kind of trivial. I don't know why this thread reminded me of that. I think it was the ending. Peace based on a lie?
Offended? I LOVE male nudity! Ahem.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:04:40pm |
re: #152 Salamantis
And the Greeks and Romans were Pagans.
For some of their history.
The Romans for instance, became Christians, especially after Constantine's edict in 313.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:04:53pm |
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:05:00pm |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
To even make that kind of statement shows you are a complete fucking idiot.
I hope you were being funny..even though..you're not very funny jesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:05:01pm |
re: #162 Lincolntf
There are a number of Deist code words for God like.... "Creator".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:05:37pm |
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:05:40pm |
re: #159 Salem
We don't need to worry about anthropogenic climate change because it's a con.
We do have to worry about the con itself and the con-artists.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:00pm |
re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth
Reading the constitution you will find that the overwhelming majority of it is dedicated to the construction of our form of government, and how it is to operate.
With this in mind it is much more accurate to state that this nation was founded on Greco-Roman, or pagan if you will, values.
"God" is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:13pm |
re: #165 Catttt
Offended? I LOVE male nudity! Ahem.
I came out of the theater and said "At least he didn't do The Helicopter"
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:17pm |
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:22pm |
re: #162 Lincolntf
When Washington invoked God (Jehovah, at times) who we was he talking about?
Most probably he was interpreting the Deist Prime Mover Creator whom he personally accepted into terms with which his audience was more familiar.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:37pm |
re: #162 Lincolntf
When Washington invoked God (Jehovah, at times) who we was he talking about?
When Washington wrote about The Great Architect and took the Masonic Oath, who do you think he was talking about?
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:06:40pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
Pauli is available! He's out clipping my bushes, do you want me to tell him that "SpaceJesus" thinks he ought to go into politics?
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:07:08pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
Why anyone would have any dialogue with you I don't know.
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HelloDare Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:07:10pm |
The good news: Congressman John Shimkus wasn't born into an Islamist family.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:07:35pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
Do you have to practice to be an idiot or does it come naturally?
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:07:42pm |
re: #166 Ojoe
For some of their history.
The Romans for instance, became Christians, especially after Constantine's edict in 313.
But it ws Greco-Roman philosophy tht influenced our political system, and the overwhelming majority of that was written before Constantine.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:08:14pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
"God" is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution.
I think there might be some mention in the first document. :)
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:08:30pm |
Pauli says "no thanks" and he needs a band-aid.
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Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:02pm |
What about the nut that said Britain needed to disappear 1/3 of it's population recently? And the bald-faced anti-American redistributive piracy of the UN "global warming" plan? Those aren't worthy of attention?
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:03pm |
re: #179 SpaceJesus
When Jeffersom proclaimed his "Christianity" on his death bed, what Religion do you think he was referring to? I'm guessing Christianity, with it being the same word and all.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:11pm |
Very little research is needed to see many Founders were critical of religion in varying degrees, and it might be why they sought to protect both the People and government from either pushing religion on the other.
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:13pm |
re: #186 Boxy_brown
Pauli says "no thanks" and he needs a band-aid.
He finds himself sadly overqualified to fit in with the current administration.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:31pm |
re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint
I think there might be some mention in the first document. :)
"Creator" is Deist code speak.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:09:38pm |
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:10:01pm |
re: #168 albusteve
Right. I've decided to rename Congress and the President The Furshlugginer Five Hundred and Thirty Six.
/because I'm in a benevolent mood... ;-)
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marsl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:10:09pm |
Looking at Illinois Republican Congressman John Shimkus, we can tell that, sometimes, idiots can achieve something in their lives... we can't tell is how they achieve it.
Speaking of elected idiots, the name Barack Obama comes to my mind. Anybody knows why?
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:10:24pm |
I think lincolntf is sarah palin in internet disguise
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Mr Secul Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:10:37pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
Those who wish to confront AGW will have to do so with real science, so it's ironic that the one thing creationists need on their side in the AGW debate is the one thing they're actively trying to undermine.
Who needs mere science, education, or reason when you have the infallible word of God?
Scary people and they see themselves as being totally reasonable. Fortunately freedom of speech allows us to say, "You're a fruit bat!".
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:11:13pm |
re: #189 Sharmuta
Very little research is needed to see many Founders were critical of religion in varying degrees, and it might be why they sought to protect both the People and government from either pushing religion on the other.
There were also specific Christian admonitions about accepting the authority of governing authorities, which the rebels contravened.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:11:20pm |
re: #189 Sharmuta
No one is more critical of a Religion than it's own adherents. If you honestly don't believe that the FF were Christians, and that the philosophy they gleaned from their Religious educations had no impact on their lives, and that they never referenced the OT, then we are definitely talking about two different Nations.
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Ojoe Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:11:25pm |
re: #184 Salamantis
True that.
Interesting to think that the ancient world, working on those ideas, came to an impasse, the practical way out of which was the adoption of the Judeo-Christian religion.
We are working through a similar time now, I think. Adam Smith, IIRC, said that capitalism & the market would not work without an underpinning of morality & perhaps he said Christian morality. I will see if I can find that quote.
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:11:32pm |
re: #196 SpaceJesus
I think lincolntf is sarah palin in internet disguise
I keeping my eye on you because I want to be the one to give you your 1000th down ding! It's gonna be tricky but I like a challenge.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:11:50pm |
re: #193 littleoldlady
Right. I've decided to rename Congress and the President The Furshlugginer Five Hundred and Thirty Six.
/because I'm in a benevolent mood... ;-)
as usual...I like it btw
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:12:15pm |
Our government was designed to impose as few restriction on the governed as necessary. Freedom of religion and pursuit of happiness were to be a birthright of our citizens.
We have strayed so far off the rails, it isn't even funny any more.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:12:23pm |
re: #190 monkeytime
He finds himself sadly overqualified to fit in with the current administration.
Good lord, You are right! Even Pauli Shore is more of a statesman than to hand out DVD's to foreign heads of state. (Wonder if Bio-Dome comes in Euro-spec format?)
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:12:51pm |
re: #188 Lincolntf
When Jeffersom proclaimed his "Christianity" on his death bed, what Religion do you think he was referring to? I'm guessing Christianity, with it being the same word and all.
oh yeah! forgot about that one... was the right before or after Darwin also confessed everything he ever did was wrong before dying?
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:07pm |
re: #196 SpaceJesus
Yup, that's me. The most popular Governor in the country masquerading as a North Carolina construction manager. How'd you figure me out?
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:12pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
Uh Dudes .. like .. here is your new consitutuion .. like .. for noobs with amendments.
The Pauli Shore Amendments to the Constitution.
1) Dont dis the religious freedoms but like um .. respect everybody else. Cool?
2) You get guns ! Waay cool ! Just dont use them in shopping malls .. waay uncool .. bro.
3) Soldiers .. you can't like .. use my toilet or raid my fridge. But if you knock I got like a couple of Buds for ya.
Uh ... dude .. I like .. forget the rest ...
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fish Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:17pm |
This just reinforces my belief that no intelligent, well rounded, level headed people actually run for elected office any more. (on EITHER side of the aisle)
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:22pm |
re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint
I think there might be some mention in the first document. :)
Creator is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
"Endowed by our creator....."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:34pm |
re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint
I think there might be some mention in the first document. :)
A list of grievances against the King, and a formal notice of rebellion don't really count as the "foundation" of our nation. Likely those that signed believed that the great British empire would kick their butts.
Of course, we would not have our nation if not for the giant middle finger in written form that is the Deceleration of Independence.
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:35pm |
re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint
I think there might be some mention in the first document. :)
Well, the Declaration of Independence, while a beloved historical document, was addressed not to the American people, but to King George, and it does not carry the force of law.
Plus, if you're gonna tell your own (henceforth former) king to shove it, you wanna claim all the support that you can conceive of.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:13:59pm |
re: #186 Boxy_brown
Pauli says "no thanks" and he needs a band-aid.
i will tap him in 2012 when I run
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:14:39pm |
re: #184 Salamantis
But it ws Greco-Roman philosophy tht influenced our political system, and the overwhelming majority of that was written before Constantine.
Correct. It was the merging of Classical beliefs with Christian ideals during the Renaissance that created modern Christianity. It also greatly influenced the thinkers of the Enlightenment. I never realized how much I'd learn from my Humanities class in college.
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Shay4l Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:14:51pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
But, in a most unfortunate turn of events for America, still MORE qualified than the big Zero (the biggest failure in American presidential history)
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:14:58pm |
God will decide when the world is supposed to end.
/and he'll come in the form of a meteor or a gamma ray burst
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:05pm |
No offense intended to our Episcopalian lizards, but, if you ever wish to study the corrupting influence of religion combined with the absolute power of the State, study King Henry the 8th, in depth, and not just about his wives.
Religion was whatever he said it was.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:07pm |
re: #213 SpaceJesus
i will tap him in 2012 when I run
Yeah, until then you can give him a hand mowing my lawn.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:27pm |
re: #196 SpaceJesus
I think lincolntf is sarah palin in internet disguise
So what? I'm pretty sure you are a 17 yr old in his mother basement posting bullshit...Who are you?
I'd forgive you if you brought one good thing to a thread..But you can't..So I won't...
one good thing jesus,..one good thing
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:37pm |
re: #188 Lincolntf
When Jeffersom proclaimed his "Christianity" on his death bed, what Religion do you think he was referring to? I'm guessing Christianity, with it being the same word and all.
I've read a lot about Jefferson and never seen this story before. Where did you get that from?
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yesandno Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:37pm |
re: #8 Thanos
When the world does end we will need very advanced science and technology if we are to survive. It's the anti-science types who try to ensure doom for all of humanity when that day does come, but isn't there a saying about "God helps those who..."
Isn't that a contradiction in term?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:39pm |
re: #199 Lincolntf
I'm sorry if you've been misled previously, but the fact of the matter is many of the Founders were Deists.
Washington, J. Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Monroe, Madison, Franklin- DEISTS
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:41pm |
re: #199 Lincolntf
Obviously.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:43pm |
re: #209 jcm
Creator is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
"Endowed by our creator....."
yes...the Brits were God fearing and we had to point out who's side he was on...."WE got the BIG MAN"
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:15:44pm |
re: #212 Lincolntf
Read a book, SpaceObama.
mind showing me exactly where Jefferson and Madison took things from the Bible and injected them into our constitution?
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Empire1 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:02pm |
re: #92 NukeAtomrod
Actually, I just kept my mouth shut about McCain. He was a terrible candidate that I agreed with far more than Obama. When it came right down to it, I voted for Palin and wished she had been at the top of the ticket.
The GOP needs to embrace conservatism before I can become a republican. Until then, I'll remain on the fringes and vote for the most conservative candidate.
Sounds like me. I'm a Republican by registration, but that's only because I have to have a party registration to vote in the primaries, Delaware being a closed-primary state. If it hadn't been for Sarah, I'd have either sat the last one out or gone third-party, I hadn't decided.
Actually, except for my very first presidential election, in which I voted for Goldwater, it's always been a case of the lesser evil -- and we have indeed gone steadily further on the road to totalitarianism. No more of that nonsense for me.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:17pm |
re: #208 fish
There are plenty. You just don't hear from them because they actually WORK instead of posture and blather on. Dr Tom Coburn is one of them.
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:25pm |
I voted for Shimkus. I will vote for him again if he runs again. Shimkus supports the USA. That is important to me. I will STILL vote AGAINST the likes of: Obama, Durbin, Blagoevich, Burris(?) and all the other machine dems my state keeps jamming down my throat to tax me into oblivion.
There needs to be some context considered her, imho.
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yesandno Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:30pm |
re: #170 SpaceJesus
that wasn't meant to be a joke. I would rather have had Pauli Shore as president than Palin.
No doubt he could pump up the economy.....
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:36pm |
re: #189 Sharmuta
Very little research is needed to see many Founders were critical of religion in varying degrees, and it might be why they sought to protect both the People and government from either pushing religion on the other.
The Founders wanted to avoid a "Church of America" with an influence on, or as an arm of, government. They had experience with that sort of thing because of the Church of England. They were wise to be cautious. However, they were not atheists or hostile to religion itself.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:41pm |
re: #216 Shay4l
But, in a most unfortunate turn of events for America, still MORE qualified than the big Zero (the biggest failure in American presidential history)
Obama has a ways to go before he eclipses Carter or Bush jr. in my opinion. He has plenty of time though.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:16:51pm |
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:17:24pm |
re: #188 Lincolntf
When Jeffersom proclaimed his "Christianity" on his death bed, what Religion do you think he was referring to? I'm guessing Christianity, with it being the same word and all.
Bah .. as every good muslim will tell you, Thomas Jefferson died a muslim and complained heavily about the state of affairs in Palestine.
/ulululululululululu
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Teh Flowah Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:17:53pm |
re: #3 rabidfox
We don't need that type of crap to fight the global warming juggernut.
From now on, I will point to this guy as the figurehead of the anti-AGW crowd. Even if scientists find real evidence that AGW is wrong, I'm just going to point to this guy over and over.
Does it taste good to the people who tie the fate of AGW to Al Gore?
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:18:06pm |
re: #200 Ojoe
True that.
Interesting to think that the ancient world, working on those ideas, came to an impasse, the practical way out of which was the adoption of the Judeo-Christian religion.
We are working through a similar time now, I think. Adam Smith, IIRC, said that capitalism & the market would not work without an underpinning of morality & perhaps he said Christian morality. I will see if I can find that quote.
Actually, the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as a common religion, replacing the many variant paganisms formerly extant throughout its many provinces, in order to employ it as a vehicle for imposing uniform social control (which is why more individualist-leaning scriptures, such as the Gospel of Thomas, were excised from the canon). Much as many Religious Right-ers wanna do with it now.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:18:10pm |
re: #190 monkeytime
He finds himself sadly overqualified to fit in with the current administration.
Because he paid his taxes? Big mistake, bro.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:18:28pm |
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:18:48pm |
re: #221 Charles
I've read a lot about Jefferson and never seen this story before. Where did you get that from?
Ditto. I've never heard this. Jefferson's last words were "Is it the Fourth?"
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:18:51pm |
re: #237 Salem
I guess left-wing cultism is going to get a pass, now.
The left wing gives us "Liberation Theology" and the Sojourners, for starters.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:19:02pm |
re: #196 SpaceJesus
I think lincolntf is sarah palin in internet disguise
I think you're a fucking idiot.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:19:15pm |
re: #223 Sharmuta
I'm sorry if you've been misled previously, but the fact of the matter is many of the Founders were Deists.
Classical Deism is different from atheism, and the article you cited takes big time liberties with the definition of "Deism ".
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fish Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:19:35pm |
re: #228 ConservatismNow!
There are plenty. You just don't hear from them because they actually WORK instead of posture and blather on. Dr Tom Coburn is one of them.
I am unfamiliar with Coburn, but I would love to have this belief proven wrong. We NEED good leaders. Not the second and third stringers we seem to have now.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:20:10pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Is this some sort of twisted Christian nihilism, or something?
In a way, yes. It's the kind of goofiness that results from trying to force rigid fundamentalist beliefs into reality. It just doesn't work and really only makes sense to those who share the same worldview.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:20:16pm |
200 years from now, fellow internet morons will be making up quotes about how Charles confessed his love of intelligent design on his deathbed before his last breath
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planes86 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:20:27pm |
I believe in God and the Bible. I do NOT believe Global Warming as they present it. However, the two beliefs are not related....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:20:30pm |
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:20:43pm |
re: #242 Sharmuta
Ditto. I've never heard this. Jefferson's last words were "Is it the Fourth?"
And if IIRC Adam's last words were to the effect, "Thomas Jefferson still survives." Also on July 4t.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:21:12pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
200 years from now, fellow internet morons will be making up quotes about how Charles confessed his love of intelligent design on his deathbed before his last breath
Worse .. his innate love for Obama and his policies. And how much he respected them.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:21:35pm |
re: #229 Taqyia2Me
I voted for Shimkus. I will vote for him again if he runs again. Shimkus supports the USA. That is important to me. I will STILL vote AGAINST the likes of: Obama, Durbin, Blagoevich, Burris(?) and all the other machine dems my state keeps jamming down my throat to tax me into oblivion.
There needs to be some context considered her, imho.
Would you drop him a note asking him what's wrong with not wanting to trash God's gift?
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:21:54pm |
re: #242 Sharmuta
Ditto. I've never heard this. Jefferson's last words were "Is it the Fourth?"
that whole situation with Adams and the date is just incredible....visit Monticello if you have not already...what a man
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:21:55pm |
re: #244 MandyManners
I think you're a fucking idiot.
why are you such a mean-spirited person?
and what is with your avatar? are you some kind of biggoted piece of garbage?
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Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:06pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
200 years from now, fellow internet morons will be making up quotes about how Charles confessed his love of intelligent design on his deathbed before his last breath
Freudian slip?
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Mr Secul Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:21pm |
re: #205 SpaceJesus
oh yeah! forgot about that one... was the right before or after Darwin also confessed everything he ever did was wrong before dying?
My BS meter went right off the scale when I saw his post.
Its a meme I tell you.
But he has a point, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Pat Condell all proclaimed their Christianity on their death beds. :-)
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Thoughtful Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:27pm |
St. Paul ran into this problem in early Christian communities -- believers so focused on the end of the world, they did nothing for themselves in _this_ world. Here's how he responded (2nd Thessalonians, 3-10, 3-13):
"In fact, when we were with you, we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat.
We hear that some are conducting themselves among you in a disorderly way, by not keeping busy but minding the business of others.
Such people we instruct and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work quietly and to eat their own food."
I'm not a big fan of the sky-is-falling AGW crowd (anyone do a full error analysis on climate models?), but this congress-critter needs to get his head in the game.
-- Thoughtful
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:35pm |
re: #232 SpaceJesus
Obama has a ways to go before he eclipses Carter or Bush jr. in my opinion. He has plenty of time though.
Again with the opinions. Bush is nowhere near as bad as Carter and should not be put in the same category at all. JFK was a worse President than GWB.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:46pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
200 years from now, fellow internet morons will be making up quotes about how Charles confessed his love of intelligent design on his deathbed before his last breath
Ya know Bryan. You're a fuckin' punk.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:54pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
You are so over the top you fuck..Now you slap at Charles..
You really suck...
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:22:57pm |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:06pm |
re: #258 SpaceJesus
and what is with your avatar? are you some kind of biggoted piece of garbage?
/rubber, glue
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:15pm |
re: #245 Boxy_brown
When I say the Founders were Deists I mean Deism as they would have defined it, not by modern standards. Why would I judge them by the modern definition?
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:18pm |
re: #221 Charles
Tour guide at Monticello. A student (I'm guessing by her age) asked the "Was he an Atheist?" question after we saw his chapel and his various Bibles. Jefferson had fallen out of favor with virtually every creditor in the State and had he declared himself an Atheist, he would have lost the support of the Virginia Church, which would have been the end to all of his credit. Whether or not he was a TRULY Religious man, I have no idea, but I do know he went through the motions. He prayed every day and go to Mass regularly.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:21pm |
re: #258 SpaceJesus
why are you such a mean-spirited person?
and what is with your avatar? are you some kind of biggoted piece of garbage?
You ignorant little fuck.
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:46pm |
re: #261 Thoughtful
St. Paul ran into this problem in early Christian communities -- believers so focused on the end of the world, they did nothing for themselves in _this_ world. Here's how he responded (2nd Thessalonians, 3-10, 3-13):
"In fact, when we were with you, we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat.
We hear that some are conducting themselves among you in a disorderly way, by not keeping busy but minding the business of others.
Such people we instruct and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work quietly and to eat their own food."I'm not a big fan of the sky-is-falling AGW crowd (anyone do a full error analysis on climate models?), but this congress-critter needs to get his head in the game.
-- Thoughtful
That was a big problem at the end of the 1st Millennia A.D., the world was going end.....
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debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:23:49pm |
re: #131 capitalist piglet
Better than trusting the word of someone who can't distinguish between Tina Fey and the Governor of Alaska, I suppose.
Backing up the BS with SNL links, I guess.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:24:14pm |
re: #250 planes86
I believe in God and the Bible. I do NOT believe Global Warming as they present it. However, the two beliefs are not related....
As do I, but when arguing against contemporary issues of governance, you do NOT give your opponents the opportunity to dismiss you as a religious whack job. It simply is poor performance as a public servant.
There are plenty of effective counter arguments that can and should be used, and in this case, were not.
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NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:24:31pm |
re: #256 MandyManners
Would you drop him a note asking him what's wrong with not wanting to trash God's gift?
See my #141. I think context is important.
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Cathypop Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:24:32pm |
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Shay4l Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:25:01pm |
re: #232 SpaceJesus
Obama has a ways to go before he eclipses Carter or Bush jr. in my opinion. He has plenty of time though.
Say what you will about W, but linking him in with Carter, never mind other disasters from the past, shows a distinct lack of vision.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:25:08pm |
re: #260 Mr Secul
My BS meter went right off the scale when I saw his post.
Its a meme I tell you.
But he has a point, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Pat Condell all proclaimed their Christianity on their death beds. :-)
exactly, too many chain emails for mr. lincolntf
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callahan23 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:25:30pm |
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:25:56pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
LOL
That's assuming Charles doesn't leave a bot still running then to set them straight. Or isn't around himself, who knows.
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Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:26:13pm |
re: #278 Shay4l
Say what you will about W, but linking him in with Carter, never mind other disasters from the past, shows a distinct lack of
visionintelligence.
/fixed
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:26:39pm |
re: #279 SpaceJesus
I suggest you take a trip to Monticello (or any decent library) between your CodePink meetings and visits to the "bathhouse".
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:27:07pm |
re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So...you want me to...DANCE?!
No. No offense, but I want to see more of Erik Northman.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:27:10pm |
Spacey is soooo whacking it right now...
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:27:13pm |
re: #269 Lincolntf
Tour guide at Monticello. A student (I'm guessing by her age) asked the "Was he an Atheist?" question after we saw his chapel and his various Bibles. Jefferson had fallen out of favor with virtually every creditor in the State and had he declared himself an Atheist, he would have lost the support of the Virginia Church, which would have been the end to all of his credit. Whether or not he was a TRULY Religious man, I have no idea, but I do know he went through the motions. He prayed every day and go to Mass regularly.
Sorry, I don't believe there's any evidence of Jefferson having a "deathbed conversion" to Christianity. If someone told you that, they were lying.
As a matter of fact, Jefferson refused to attend the 50th anniversary of his Declaration of Independence, partly because he had renounced the religious language in it. And for his epitaph, he chose the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:27:14pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
I dont think the hamsters will last 200 years, without a carrot or two.
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:28:42pm |
re: #289 ploome hineni
he is reparing for the Fulsom Street Fair?
lolol
Window guy at Up Your Alley.........
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Mr Secul Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:29:20pm |
re: #234 Buster Bunny
Bah .. as every good muslim will tell you, Thomas Jefferson died a muslim and complained heavily about the state of affairs in Palestine.
/ulululululululululu
I heard that he said, "Allahu Akbar!" and "Down with Israel!".
Or did I just imagine that?
Anyway, its the sort of thing he would have said.
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:29:32pm |
re: #256 MandyManners
Absolutely! I'm pretty sure he is definitely in line with that. (not that you could tell from driving any road anywhere in Illinois, that old indian in those public service announcement would REALLY be crying about the trash)
I would not want to put words in his mouth here, but I would not be surprised if he is speaking against algore profiteering cap-and-trade bs in this context.
If he replies and it's in something other than a form letter, I'll make sure it gets posted here in an open thread or some such.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:00pm |
re: #246 fish
I recommend checking out the voting record and the issues statements. He's big on cutting the deficit and spending. He's a medical doctor who sees patients for free when he's back home in Muskogee.
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:30pm |
re: #3 rabidfox
We don't need that type of crap to fight the global warming juggernut.
Damn straight. We need real science to fight their scientistic hysteria.
If a Rep. Shimkus says cute things like this, I want to give him a cookie and a pat on the head and maybe keep his vote, but sheesh. Once again, though the constructive way to handle this is to TELL THE TRUTH about the science involved, tell it short and sweet and clear.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:38pm |
The Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia has nothing on a deathbed conversion.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:49pm |
re: #283 Lincolntf
I suggest you take a trip to Monticello (or any decent library) between your CodePink meetings and visits to the "bathhouse".
been there. I suggest you read up on the Jefferson Bible if you want to learn something about how he viewed Christianity.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:58pm |
My 192 was very, very funny (btw).
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:30:58pm |
re: #229 Taqyia2Me
I voted for Shimkus. I will vote for him again if he runs again. Shimkus supports the USA. That is important to me. I will STILL vote AGAINST the likes of: Obama, Durbin, Blagoevich, Burris(?) and all the other machine dems my state keeps jamming down my throat to tax me into oblivion.
There needs to be some context considered her, imho.
Thought I would look up Rep. John Shimkus's prior opposition to congress. That would be David D. Phelps (D):
Phelps is a Blue Dog Democrat. While in Congress, he was strongly pro-life, pro-gun, and co-sponsored the Federal Marriage Amendment.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:31:09pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:31:26pm |
re: #237 Salem
I guess left-wing cultism is going to get a pass, now.
What?
Did you miss the dozens of posts on the front page that fall into that category?
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:31:46pm |
re: #287 Charles
What's the conversion part? When he designed and built his own chapel, he was most certainly building a Christian place of worship. That was long before he died.
The reason he stated his Christianity near the end of his life (I'm sure there's a record of this tale as the guide had clearly heard the question many times before) was that "people" (prob. people he owed money to) had questioned his Christianity.
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:31:55pm |
re: #295 Sharmuta
The Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia has nothing on a deathbed conversion.
I presume that after the French Revolution, Jefferson just kept getting more radically secular.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:32:15pm |
re: #283 Lincolntf
I suggest you take a trip to Monticello (or any decent library) between your CodePink meetings and visits to the "bathhouse".
oh and yes, by the way, I am gay. So what? wanna make out?
I like how you blatantly lie about Jefferson, isn't that called baring false witness? doesn't that get you sent to the same place as all the other sodomites like myself?
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:32:15pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
Congrats to spacejesus on his -1000th karma point!
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:32:47pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
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In the immortal words of America's 3rd worst president: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:32:54pm |
re: #268 Sharmuta
"When I say the Founders were Deists I mean Deism as they would have defined it, not by modern standards. Why would I judge them by the modern definition?"
Not saying that you would have. This article is at least, imprecise though.
It's my understanding that Deists believed that God had left the general running of earthly matters to humanity and with free will came responsibilities. I think that is a common sense, enlightenment borne view that reconciles religion with personal responsibility in an elegant way.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:32:59pm |
IIRC, it was also Benjamin Franklin that greatly moderated the religious language in the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence.
You simply can not define the Creator without also negating the Creator.
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Shay4l Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:08pm |
Oh OK I get it, this is that spaceTroll I've heard mentioned over the past couple weeks.
GAZE
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:17pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
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horse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:21pm |
I am both an AGW skeptic and a Catholic, but watching Shimkus in this clip makes me want to take a different side (speaking of AGW) just to not be on the side of a public moron attempting to out-moron Gore (and coming pretty darn close to it too).
If he keeps this kind of stuff up, "Shimk" could become the verb for eroding your own sides position by displaying a complete lack of relevancy, e.g. "We had won the argument based on facts, but lost the decision after that idiot Shimked-us by introducing a bunch of non-relevant crazy information."
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:22pm |
re: #308 rawmuse
IIRC, it was also Benjamin Franklin that greatly moderated the religious language in the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence.
You simply can not define the Creator without also negating the Creator.
Amen.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:43pm |
re: #305 ConservatismNow!
Congrats to spacejesus on his -1000th karma point!
I gave it its last 13, bringing the total to 1,002.
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Cathypop Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:46pm |
space jesus your mom is calling. time to go home.
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NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:51pm |
re: #287 Charles
Yes, he had to fight tooth and nail to keep the words
"Jesus Christ" out the founding documents. It wasn't
because Christians had such a small influence he had to
fight so hard. It is because they has such a great influence.
As I said before, it is not historical to deny the Judeo-Christian influence
on the founding of this country.
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vagabond trader Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:33:53pm |
re: #294 itellu3times
I don't know how many of our congress critters are qualified to even debate AGW, but they sure as hell have no problem signing off on tax heavy restrictive legislation they have not even bothered reading.This is the danger imho.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:34:07pm |
re: #291 Mr Secul
I heard that he said, "Allahu Akbar!" and "Down with Israel!".
Or did I just imagine that?
Anyway, its the sort of thing he would have said.
Yes well .. as every good muslim knows, Christopher Columbus was there and so was that muslim who led the way across to the new land .. guided by Allah and his graces. And Saladin stopped past after a 'post crusader mash' party .. just to swill the graces ... and to hear Jeffersons last words ....
'I am a true Wahabist and I believe in martyrdom for Allah'
At this he pushed the button on the suicide vest and took as many kuffar in the room with him to heaven. The kuffar all went to Shaitan.
/What .. you dont believe real muslim history?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:34:31pm |
On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles Ely, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."
It says he attended Church, but so did many of the other Founders. They were, after all, astute politicians. I believe the majority of Jefferson's writings show he wasn't a devout Christian.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:34:35pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
I'd call you a stupid motherfucker but it's not worth my time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:34:40pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
In the immortal words of America's 3rd worst president: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
So, you came here specifically to get dinged down 1,000 times? That is very odd.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:35:02pm |
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:35:22pm |
re: #304 SpaceJesus
Who's lying?
Everything I know about Jefferson comes from 100% secular sources. If I'm "lying", then I think your beef is with McGraw-Hill or Random House.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:35:27pm |
re: #294 itellu3times
"Damn straight. We need real science to fight their scientistic hysteria."
Often reason against hysteria is like bug versus windshield.
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Cathypop Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:35:37pm |
re: #320 MandyManners
I'd call you a stupid motherfucker but it's not worth my time.
He can't be a stupid motherfucker because even she can't stand it.
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yesandno Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:02pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
In the immortal words of America's 3rd worst president: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
That's the great thing about electing the 0...Bush can't be worse then 4th at this point.
(I love it when a legecy improves)
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:08pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
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Oh crap - I missed it.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:09pm |
re: #313 MandyManners
I gave it its last 13, bringing the total to 1,002.
that's actually kind of pathetic that you would bother to do that
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Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:39pm |
re: #300 Charles
What?
Did you miss the dozens of posts on the front page that fall into that category?
Not exactly. It just seems like AGW and it's adherents would get a little more scrutiny, especially with the effect all of these breathtaking proposals to "fight" it would have on the global economy.
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planes86 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:54pm |
re: #274 rawmuse
re: #274 rawmuse
As do I, but when arguing against contemporary issues of governance, you do NOT give your opponents the opportunity to dismiss you as a religious whack job. It simply is poor performance as a public servant.
There are plenty of effective counter arguments that can and should be used, and in this case, were not.
I agree
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:36:56pm |
re: #318 Iron Fist
You are being pretty hard on JFK. What is a nuclear war between friends> Anyway, JFK caved to the Soviets and they gave him a fig leaf "victory" to please the American voter with.
I guess it could have been worse.
As in Alas, Babylon worse.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:37:05pm |
re: #302 Lincolntf
The reason he stated his Christianity near the end of his life (I'm sure there's a record of this tale as the guide had clearly heard the question many times before) was that "people" (prob. people he owed money to) had questioned his Christianity.
You're repeating myths that you picked up from unreliable sources. This simply did not happen.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:37:07pm |
re: #330 SpaceJesus
that's actually kind of pathetic that you would bother to do that
No. Just juvenile. Now, shut the fuck up or I'll hurl a bowl of mashed potatoes at you.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:37:26pm |
re: #323 Lincolntf
Who's lying?
Everything I know about Jefferson comes from 100% secular sources. If I'm "lying", then I think your beef is with McGraw-Hill or Random House.
oh ok, show me where it says that thing about his deathbed again? you know, like a source?
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whitetower Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:37:48pm |
The authority of Christianity in public life is simply no longer relevant. Some of the youngsters posting here do not seem to be aware of the fact that there used to be prayer in school; prayer before school sporting events; Bible readings incorporated with class lessons; displays of the manger and other Christian holiday symbols on municipal property; and the 10 Commandments displayed in virtually every public building.
I'm far more concerned about the influence of "junk science" such as anthropomorphic global warming, the organic foods movement, and the "alternative" unscientific medicine lobby than I am about any public policy that any Christian group advocates.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:37:54pm |
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Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:14pm |
Clowns to the left, Jokers to the right.
/sigh
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:15pm |
re: #335 MandyManners
No. Just juvenile. Now, shut the fuck up or I'll hurl a bowl of mashed potatoes at you.
your Irish war tactics do not frighten me, internet bigot.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:21pm |
re: #307 Boxy_brown
What specifically are you objecting to? The definition of Deism is linked on that page, otherwise there is a general outline of how the Founders viewed their Deism and "practiced" it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:29pm |
re: #315 NonNativeTexan
I'll repeat, for your benefit:
Reading the constitution you will find that the overwhelming majority of it is dedicated to the construction of our form of government, and how it is to operate.
With this in mind it is much more accurate to state that this nation was founded on Greco-Roman, or pagan if you will, values.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:30pm |
re: #331 Salem
Not exactly. It just seems like AGW and it's adherents would get a little more scrutiny, especially with the effect all of these breathtaking proposals to "fight" it would have on the global economy.
post away...don't be shy....Charles is pretty flexible don't you think?
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callahan23 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:35pm |
re: #335 MandyManners
No. Just juvenile. Now, shut the fuck up or I'll hurl a bowl of mashed potatoes at you.
^Whacking isn't workin' no more. Darn it!
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:39pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
In the immortal words of America's 3rd worst president: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
I don't down ding. I skip. Except to make fun of you once in a while.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:38:48pm |
re: #340 Racer X
Clowns to the left, Jokers to the right.
/sigh
Here I am .. stuck in the middle with you. ;)
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:39:22pm |
re: #340 Racer X
Clowns to the left, Jokers to the right.
/sigh
really....so who do like you like in the Super Bowl?...heh
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:40:29pm |
re: #335 MandyManners
No. Just juvenile. Now, shut the fuck up or I'll hurl a bowl of mashed potatoes at you.
I was about to leave. I'm so glad I didn't!
Mandy! :-)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:40:51pm |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:00pm |
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:12pm |
re: #334 Charles
If Monticello itself is lying about T.J., then we're in big trouble. I'll check my books to see if I can find anything that contradicts what the National Park personnel tell tourists at Monticello. I don't see why they would.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:17pm |
re: #349 NonNativeTexan
I guess so.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:22pm |
This is what Thomas Jefferson wrote to John Adams three years before his death:
"The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:30pm |
I think you all are missing out on a valuable service that SpaceJesus performs. If it wasn't for SJ, not only would these discussions be quite, well, boring, but he also serves as a lightning rod. If you're busy dealing with him, you're not tearing at each other's throats and saying things that you don't mean and could possibly get you banned.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:41:53pm |
re: #302 Lincolntf
.The reason he stated his Christianity near the end of his life (I'm sure there's a record of this tale as the guide had clearly heard the question many times before) was that "people" (prob. people he owed money to) had questioned his Christianity.
If there is a record of such, then I'm not finding it. And as for this:
What's the conversion part? When he designed and built his own chapel, he was most certainly building a Christian place of worship
Maybe you heard/saw Monticello mimics the Pantheon?
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:42:05pm |
re: #338 whitetower
I dont care whether we have someone who believes that life evolved at the bottom of a crackerjack box on the hot seat in the Whitehouse.
I want my kids to know right from wrong. I want them to have an accurate educated representation of what the world is really about. And I want them to be able to walk with their heads held high about the country they live in.
Is that too much too ask?
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Shay4l Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:42:10pm |
re: #327 Iron Fist
Wow! How did you figure that our? SpaceJesus is so subtle in his delusions.
Wow, an attack on an innocent comment.
I guess I know who's been successfully trolled by the spaced troll
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:42:31pm |
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:42:45pm |
re: #352 Fenway_Nation
Fenway! :-)
On the buffet ---------------->
/next to the mashed potatoes
//I would get some quick before they become the entertainment floor show! ;-)
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:42:57pm |
re: #358 Buster Bunny
I dont care whether we have someone who believes that life evolved at the bottom of a crackerjack box on the hot seat in the Whitehouse.
I want my kids to know right from wrong. I want them to have an accurate educated representation of what the world is really about. And I want them to be able to walk with their heads held high about the country they live in.
Is that too much too ask?
At the moment, sadly, yes.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:43:02pm |
Oven buzzer's going. Time to finish dinner and feed The Kid. bbl
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:43:35pm |
re: #362 littleoldlady
Fenway! :-)
On the buffet ---------------->
/next to the mashed potatoes
//I would get some quick before they become theentertainmentfloor show! ;-)
Yummy! Thanks
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:43:49pm |
re: #358 Buster Bunny
I dont care whether we have someone who believes that life evolved at the bottom of a crackerjack box on the hot seat in the Whitehouse.
So that's the prize inside.....? I always thought it would've been a decoder ring or something.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:43:52pm |
re: #357 Sharmuta
Seen all of it. Spent a full day there. It was fascinating.
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littleoldlady Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:44:14pm |
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:44:41pm |
re: #347 Buster Bunny
Here I am .. stuck in the middle with you. ;)
At a meeting this week, I said "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold." The other English major in the group then said, "The falcon cannot hear the falconer." You should have seen the looks on everyone else's faces. It was great.
The Second Coming, by William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:44:42pm |
re: #306 SpaceJesus
In the immortal words of America's 3rd worst president: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
I will say that I found your "Irish War Tactics" comment funny.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:44:58pm |
re: #356 ConservatismNow!
I think you all are missing out on a valuable service that SpaceJesus performs. If it wasn't for SJ, not only would these discussions be quite, well, boring, but he also serves as a lightning rod. If you're busy dealing with him, you're not tearing at each other's throats and saying things that you don't mean and could possibly get you banned.
I never thought of it that way myself....give him what he wants then
| 375 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:45:49pm |
Look - the fact is that certain groups specialize in spreading false stories about the "Christian beliefs" of the Founding Fathers. The internet is absolutely full of this stuff, and 99% of it is complete nonsense, made up by fanatics to fool the gullible.
Thomas Jefferson did not have a deathbed conversion.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:45:55pm |
In the spin-offs I put a link to the House committee meeting on 25 March that is related to the video Charles posted.
More boredom, silliness, and foolishness than you could ever ask for...
It appears, on many fronts, that we in this country can not (anymore) deal openly and honestly with complex issues. While there is plenty for which to blame both parties, in this particular case the Republicans are notoriously bad.
| 379 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:46:39pm |
re: #371 monkeytime
So did I until she went for the big finish.
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Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:46:50pm |
re: #361 ploome hineni
he was Jewish
lol
Thomas Jeffersons possible last words
Oy am I feshtinken sink. Must have been this last bunch of Matzoh Balls in da chicken soup. Mit spending too many pennies .. boy do I have a guilt complex. Now boy .. listen to your mother ... and get yourself in shul on a regular basis .. ok. Now .. can you let me die without giving me 'etses' ?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:46:54pm |
re: #368 Lincolntf
Presently, I think the two closest presidential homes/museums would be Nixon's and Reagan's. I routinely drive by Martin Van Buren's homestead when visiting certain relatives back east....
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LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:47:15pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
"God" is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution.
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of the Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names." -- Article VII, United States Constitution.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:47:48pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:48:03pm |
re: #383 LesLein
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of the Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names." -- Article VII, United States Constitution.
Oh, come on! That's a reference to a DATE, not a religious statement.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:48:19pm |
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:48:20pm |
re: #383 LesLein
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of the Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names." -- Article VII, United States Constitution.
That's just a use of a common dating system.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:48:53pm |
re: #358 Buster Bunny
I dont care whether we have someone who believes that life evolved at the bottom of a crackerjack box on the hot seat in the Whitehouse.
I might be at least a little concerned if someone really did believe life evolved at the bottom of a crackerjack box... as it would raise the insurmountable philosophical question: Who made the crackerjack box?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:48:58pm |
re: #383 LesLein
Are you kidding me? That was quite a common way of stating the date in that era, and if anyone's basis for claiming this is a Christian nation is a date line in the Constitution, that's pretty weak.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:49:06pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
have a cookie then....
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:49:16pm |
re: #375 Charles
Not a conversion. He was born a Christian. He was by no means a Bible-thumper, but my original post (way back when) referred to references made by the FF to the OT. In fact, Jefferson helped Religions of all sorts to construct Meeting Houses and Churches in an era when that could have been seen as scandalous.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:49:19pm |
re: #383 LesLein
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of the Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names." -- Article VII, United States Constitution.
hahahaahhaha
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:49:30pm |
re: #385 Charles
Oh, come on! That's a reference to a DATE, not a religious statement.
Right. That's the common naming convention for the date in almost every document from that time period. It's like how we say A.D. or B.C.
| 397 |
Mr Secul Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:49:36pm |
re: #371 monkeytime
I will say that I found your "Irish War Tactics" comment funny.
I must admit I did smile too.
| 398 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:06pm |
re: #385 Charles
This is getting a little sad on the part of some.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:10pm |
I think that Jefferson was a man of the Enlightenment, that he was a Christian, and that he was also a man with an insatiable thirst for knowledge wisdom.
Jefferson was, however, a worldly man, and I love reading about some the parties held at Monticello, where the violin was passed from one person to another (everyone was expected to play some, and dance some) as was his home grown wine and brandy. How I would have loved to have been there at those times. Simply put, he was not a saintly figure, but a man.
Jefferson was also a student of the religions of the world (a Koran is on display at his study Monticello as we speak, that is another topic altogether).
Such a thirst for knowledge and wisdom means that, when you are so lucky as to find it (and it can be a rare occurrence) that you are willing to throw out the obsolete, and discard it, and not become attached to it as if they were your baby pictures.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:17pm |
re: #384 Fenway_Nation
Everyone knows they were Freemasons...
/Cue sinister music
What? Like non-union workers?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:22pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
How's the view from your cross up there? Can you see your house from here?
| 402 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:38pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
And that is precisely why many here think you are no more 15 years old. You are extremely juvenile, you have no clue how to post a thought without offending others, and you blame your deficiencies on everyone else.
Grow up.
| 403 |
monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:50:41pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
Well, by crying like a bitch, you just exposed yourself as a troll. Conservatives may cuss and bitch but we don't whine and cry.
| 404 |
Gella Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:51:06pm |
re: #384 Fenway_Nation
Everyone knows they were Freemasons...
/Cue sinister music
back in USSR there were also JewMasons, i am not kidding, even thought i want to
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:51:24pm |
re: #393 Lincolntf
Not a conversion. He was born a Christian. He was by no means a Bible-thumper, but my original post (way back when) referred to references made by the FF to the OT. In fact, Jefferson helped Religions of all sorts to construct Meeting Houses and Churches in an era when that could have been seen as scandalous.
He might have thumped his own Jefferson Bible on occasion...;~)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:51:32pm |
re: #401 Fenway_Nation
How's the view from your cross up there? Can you see your house from here?
I can see Russia
| 409 |
callahan23 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:51:35pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
It's because you start of nice and jovial and then spew off some insults or nuttiness.
| 410 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:51:51pm |
| 411 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:52:18pm |
re: #409 callahan23
It's because you start of nice and jovial and then spew off some insults or nuttiness.
I have a nut allergy. Especially when it comes to SpaceJesus.
I break out in laughter.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:52:22pm |
re: #393 Lincolntf
Bull- you got called on this comment:
When Jeffersom proclaimed his "Christianity" on his death bed, what Religion do you think he was referring to? I'm guessing Christianity, with it being the same word and all.
I called you out on the OT use, which- btw- you haven't backed up with any sources.
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:52:58pm |
re: #396 ConservatismNow!
Right. That's the common naming convention for the date in almost every document from that time period. It's like how we say A.D. or B.C.
Ahhh yes - the notorious anno domini. //
| 415 |
monkeytime Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:53:15pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:53:34pm |
re: #386 SpaceJesus
I don't understand why people call me a troll. Every time I post, people just jump all over me and I defend myself, sometimes is a comedic fashion. I am never the instigator, only the target. It's as if my mere presence here triggers some kind of bizarre, paleo-conservative bloodlust.
Not at all Spacejesus..I saw you being a smart ass to a lizard a while back..
You come off wrong..But hey..I'm willing to start over..
* Extends hand *
| 417 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:53:58pm |
Christianity does exist in public life, you just saw an example. I think it is not productive to berate the messenger because of his underlying beliefs. He is welcome and even entitled to his beliefs as you are to yours, whatever they are. It's called freedom of religion and it is constitutional. While the gentleman may be a little incomplete in his explanation of science in that he didn't actually mention carbon dioxide in his presentation the numbers he gave are, as near as I can tell, accurate. Given that all plant life relies upon CO2 in the atmosphere to survive, and humanity depends on plant life to survive, it seems suicidal to attempt to limit CO2 in the atmosphere, particularly when the numbers are at such a low value.
| 418 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:54:03pm |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
Not at all Spacejesus..I saw you being a smart ass to a lizard a while back..
You come off wrong..But hey..I'm willing to start over..
* Extends hand *
(spit on it first)
| 419 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:54:24pm |
re: #342 Sharmuta
What specifically are you objecting to?
Ok, to put an excruciatingly fine point on this, something that you haven't done, however is occasionally done is that "Deism" is re-framed into a philosophy that is inherently anti-religion or anti-Christianity. It would have been possible indeed probable to consider yourself a "Good Christian" and a Deist.
"The definition of Deism is linked on that page,"
It defines the idea in generalities and by what they did rather than the idea itself. The only reasons I am making a distinction at all is that Deism has become conflated into something resembling atheism or agnosticism in the modern lexicon and this is why there is push back from folks like John Shimkus. Many of our founding fathers were religious, were Christians and were Deists... they wouldn't have any trouble reconciling that.
| 420 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:54:28pm |
re: #399 rawmuse
I think that Jefferson was a man of the Enlightenment, that he was a Christian, and that he was also a man with an insatiable thirst for knowledge wisdom.
All true, except ... Jefferson was definitely not a Christian, by any normal sense of the word. He did not believe in miracles, and he did not believe in the divinity of Christ.
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:54:35pm |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
Not at all Spacejesus..I saw you being a smart ass to a lizard a while back..
You come off wrong..But hey..I'm willing to start over..
* Extends hand *
Mmmmmmm - those fingers look mighty tasty......./cat
| 423 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:54:38pm |
re: #406 Salamantis
Did you ever see his "polygraph" (I think that's what he called it)? It was like a rack with which he'd write with one quill while another quill (attached by a geared arm of some sort) would mimic his writing? Kind of like an instant copy machine? It actually worked. That impressed me more than anything else I saw at M-cello.
| 425 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:55:04pm |
re: #355 Charles
This chapter is one of my biggest inspirations. Jefferson and Jesus were on the same page.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:55:08pm |
re: #417 UncleRancher
No one berated him for being a Christian. The issue is to think we don't have to worry about the environment because of the Bible.
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:56:07pm |
re: #417 UncleRancher
If his real goal is to criticize an unhelpful political response to AGW, he has instead provided his opponents a huge distraction to point at.
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:56:28pm |
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:56:50pm |
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:57:03pm |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
Not at all Spacejesus..I saw you being a smart ass to a lizard a while back..
You come off wrong..But hey..I'm willing to start over..
* Extends hand *
BFF?
| 432 |
LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:57:19pm |
re: #226 SpaceJesus
mind showing me exactly where Jefferson and Madison took things from the Bible and injected them into our constitution?
Jefferson missed the Constitutional Convention. He was in France.
By the way, the Constitution has a provision for practicing Christianity.
| 433 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:57:58pm |
Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
-- Henry Mencken
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:58:18pm |
re: #432 LesLein
By the way, the Constitution has a provision for practicing Christianity.
Did you mean besides the First Amendment?
| 435 |
Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:58:44pm |
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UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:59:07pm |
re: #427 Sharmuta
No one berated him for being a Christian. The issue is to think we don't have to worry about the environment because of the Bible.
Ah, but you see, that his his belief.
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callahan23 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:59:10pm |
| 439 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:59:13pm |
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:59:21pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Did you mean besides the First Amendment?
Or did you mean the section that mandated that there should be no religious test for holding public office?
| 442 |
Mr Secul Sat, Mar 28, 2009 3:59:42pm |
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:00:02pm |
re: #420 Charles
Can you direct me to some reading in which I may share your experience?
I did visit Monticello as recently as last October, there was a Bible in his study, and a Koran, among other books.
BTW, he studied the Koran for much the same reason that we do, he was fighting the Barbary Pirates and needed to know what these dudes were on.
| 444 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:00:21pm |
re: #437 UncleRancher
Ah, but you see, that his his belief.
So what? Other Christians see it differently.
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NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:00:37pm |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
-- Henry Mencken
One of my favorites;
Optimist may see a light where there is none, but why does the
pessimist always run to blow it out?
| 446 |
horse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:00:39pm |
re: #120 SpaceJesus
Palin was about as qualified to be president as Pauli Shore
You can not justify that statement with any serious application of reasoned thought, therefore your intentions in making the statement are greatly suspect.
| 448 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:00:57pm |
re: #435 HoosierHoops
Does anybody know what BFF means?
Best friends forever is the most common meaning.
| 449 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:01:11pm |
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:01:43pm |
As luck would have it, one of the books we bought at Monticello was "Jefferson and Religion" by Eugene Sheridan (Monticello Monograph Series). Just found it in wifey's office.
I will read it cover to cover in the next day or two and if I'm wrong about anything I've posted, I'll post my errors and take my lumps.
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psyop Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:02:04pm |
No matter how he meant it, it is a tangle of illogical idiocy.
Either:
1. We shouldn't worry about climate change (regardless of whether it is natural or man-made) because God controls everything.
or
2. Catastrophic climate change is God's way of ending us, so we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride of climactic doom.
I guess I shouldn't worry about sinning in any way, since all I have to do is accept Jesus and I will be saved.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:02:13pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
Excellent.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:02:32pm |
re: #443 rawmuse
And it's a bit strange to think he was a Christian simply because he possessed a Bible. Was he also a muslim because he owned a koran?
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the1sgjohns Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:02:42pm |
re: #448 Catttt
"BFF" = Buy our Faux Financials. I open the bidding now.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:02:47pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
agreed 100%...childish imo
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:03:16pm |
re: #443 rawmuse
Can you direct me to some reading in which I may share your experience?
Here's a summary at Wikipedia, with lots of footnotes leading to original sources: Thomas Jefferson.
From his careful study of the Bible, Jefferson concluded that Jesus never claimed to be God.[73] He therefore regarded much of the New Testament as "so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture".[75] He described the "roguery of others of His disciples", [76] and called them a "band of dupes and impostors", describing Paul as the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus", and wrote of "palpable interpolations and falsifications".[76] He also described the Book of Revelation to be "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams".[77] While living in the White House, Jefferson began to piece together his own condensed version of the Gospels, omitting the virgin birth of Jesus, miracles attributed to Jesus, divinity and the resurrection of Jesus. Thus, primarily leaving only Jesus' moral philosophy, of which he approved. This compilation titled The LIFE AND MORALS OF JESUS OF NAZARETH Extracted Textually from the Gospels Greek, Latin, French, and English was published after his death and became known as the Jefferson Bible.[78]
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:03:28pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
Energy Conservation is politically neutral. I agree with you. Doing the exact opposite just because the liberals are doing it is stupid.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:03:28pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I planned on just dong what I would normally do today.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:10pm |
re: #453 Sharmuta
No, but you have to admit that he was an adherent of Jesus of Nazareth, no?
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:10pm |
re: #448 Catttt
Best friends forever is the most common meaning.
Thanks..I was thinking it was an insult..
So Pitt is on now..Everybody is picking Nova..But I got Pitt in the finals..
go Pitt..
| 464 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:16pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I agree. As I said in the last thread, wasting resources as a form of protest is just as equally stupid as the "earth hour" thing itself. Makes no sense.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:34pm |
re: #462 rawmuse
No- he wrote his own Bible, and questioned the divinity of Jesus.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:36pm |
re: #436 ConservatismNow!
Best Friends Forever.
I'm so out of touch with intarweb acronyms. I thought it meant "Boy Friends Forever."
I mean, it made sense given SpaceJesus' orientation. I thought he was being facetious.
I'm also assuming that SJ is male. I humbly apologize if that is not the case.
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psyop Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:04:46pm |
re: #459 Sharmuta
I planned on just dong what I would normally do today.
You mean...
*gasp*
NOT changing your behavior for ridiculous symbolism?
| 470 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:15pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
I agree. I'm not down with this at all. Promoting wasteful energy consumption just to stick a thumb in the eye of environmentalists is childish.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:22pm |
re: #456 albusteve
I think it's supposed to be sort of a partial joke (I hope) but still encouraging people to be wasteful in these tough times just seems like a bad idea. Maybe my funnybone just ain't working.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:33pm |
re: #466 Sharmuta
No- he wrote his own Bible, and questioned the divinity of Jesus.
Did not Jesus himself question his own religion, the one that he was born unto?
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:46pm |
re: #457 Charles
"He described the "roguery of others of His disciples", [76] and called them a "band of dupes and impostors", describing Paul as the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"
Paul was specifically opposed to rebellion, which would have been a problem for the Founders.
Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:50pm |
re: #454 ploome hineni
as CHarles reminded us, and posted Jefferson's quote, Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Jesusdid you miss that
And the quote you cited was: "Many of our founding fathers were religious, were Christians and were Deists... they wouldn't have any trouble reconciling that".
So what did I miss?
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:05:56pm |
Jefferson agreed with Jesus and his teachings in a philosophical way. He questioned organized religion and didn't take communion.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:06:06pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
You trying to put power plant workers/operators out of their jobs? Someone has to pick up the slack while the moonbats are sitting in the dark (probably listening to their Ipods, anyway).
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freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:06:19pm |
re: #417 UncleRancher
The point (implied) was, that worrying about CO2 is a non-issue because God hadn't said anything about CO2, AGW, and such.
And, BTW, the plants to which we have adapted the past 500,000 years have done their work with ~280ppm of CO2.
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:06:25pm |
re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth
I agree. As I said in the last thread, wasting resources as a form of protest is just as equally stupid as the "earth hour" thing itself. Makes no sense.
Newtonski's 12th law of politics: for every political action there is an equal and opposite political reaction.
//
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:06:38pm |
re: #463 HoosierHoops
Thanks..I was thinking it was an insult..
So Pitt is on now..Everybody is picking Nova..But I got Pitt in the finals..
go Pitt..
Pitt? Oh. I though you meant Brad Pitt. Never mind.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:06:58pm |
re: #470 Charles
I agree. I'm not down with this at all. Promoting wasteful energy consumption just to stick a thumb in the eye of environmentalists is childish.
It's also fiscally stupid. Why would I want to increase my utility bill?
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UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:07:21pm |
re: #444 Sharmuta
So what? Other Christians see it differently.
I thought we were talking about the messenger here. He stated his belief based upon biblical passages. Yes, other Christians can and do see it differently. I believe, for instance, that we were nearly clobbered by a space rock that came within about 50,000 miles of smacking this nice green planet on March 18, and few people were aware of its existence. I believe mankind can destroy life on earth with nuclear weapons, or by removing CO2 from the atmosphere, and it is up to us humans to fend off space rocks with those nuclear weapons rather than blow up our cities. That's my $.02 worth.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:07:49pm |
re: #476 Sharmuta
Jefferson agreed with Jesus and his teachings in a philosophical way. He questioned organized religion and didn't take communion.
Sounds a lot like me, except I attend church. Actually, I have a job at a church in the music arena.
Dinner and a show, baby. Just like the loaves and fishes. :0
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LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:07:51pm |
re: #390 Sharmuta
Are you kidding me? That was quite a common way of stating the date in that era, and if anyone's basis for claiming this is a Christian nation is a date line in the Constitution, that's pretty weak.
Why say "Our Lord" if they didn't believe in Our Lord? There were other ways of presenting dates available at the time. See the Declaration of Independence.
The post I responded to said that God is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution. "Our Lord" is an obvious reference to God. God is mentioned in the Constitution.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:08:06pm |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
I think it's supposed to be sort of a partial joke (I hope) but still encouraging people to be wasteful in these tough times just seems like a bad idea. Maybe my funnybone just ain't working.
it's a bad vibe and I don't want it...I am very conservative with my water, electric and gas down here...you said all there is to say about it
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:08:11pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Is this some sort of twisted Christian nihilism, or something?
Yep.
Who cares about a nuclear armed Iran? God decides when the world is going to end!/
| 489 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:08:57pm |
re: #473 jaunte
Was not the United States born of rebellion?
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USBeast Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:10pm |
I'm puzzled by this obsession with what the Founding Father's believed. Is not what they did more important? They gave us a Constitution that recognizes the right of all of us to worship or not as suits our conscience. It doesn't matter if they believed it one God, six or none at all. It's what they did that matters.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:16pm |
re: #485 LesLein
Why say "Our Lord" if they didn't believe in Our Lord? There were other ways of presenting dates available at the time. See the Declaration of Independence.
The post I responded to said that God is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution. "Our Lord" is an obvious reference to God. God is mentioned in the Constitution.
hahahaha
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debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:19pm |
re: #201 monkeytime
I keeping my eye on you because I want to be the one to give you your 1000th down ding! It's gonna be tricky but I like a challenge.
-1,020
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:41pm |
re: #472 rawmuse
There are a number of resources for you to study Thomas Jefferson and his views on religion. Even after a short amount of time looking into it, I think you'll come to the conclusion Jefferson wasn't a devout Christian by any stretch of the imagination. He was a Deist who thought Jesus' message (which he agreed with) was abused by authority.
| 494 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:42pm |
re: #488 ploome hineni
obviously everything Charles is posting
How did what I wrote contradict what Charles wrote?
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Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:50pm |
re: #485 LesLein
Why say "Our Lord" if they didn't believe in Our Lord? There were other ways of presenting dates available at the time. See the Declaration of Independence.
The post I responded to said that God is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution. "Our Lord" is an obvious reference to God. God is mentioned in the Constitution.
So the vast majority of people around at the time, who used that dating system, would know when the document was written?
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:09:56pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
I like light, life, purpose. I find pleasure in it. It's no waste to me to put all my lights on for an hour just to enjoy the fact that I can do so.
| 497 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:10:06pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
Those who wish to confront AGW will have to do so with real science, so it's ironic that the one thing creationists need on their side in the AGW debate is the one thing they're actively trying to undermine.
Well, when the science is against them that's all they have left...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:10:26pm |
re: #477 Lincolntf
Oh, they'll have plenty of work to do when all those morons switch their power back on and surge the grid.
Wasting resources in a childish hissy fit is not a conservative value.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:10:28pm |
re: #485 LesLein
Why say "Our Lord" if they didn't believe in Our Lord? There were other ways of presenting dates available at the time. See the Declaration of Independence.
The post I responded to said that God is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution. "Our Lord" is an obvious reference to God. God is mentioned in the Constitution.
Again.
The "year of Our Lord" is a reference to a dating system. A.D. Anno Domini. In the year of our lord. This is NOT a reference to God.
| 500 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:10:35pm |
"Conservative" does not mean being wasteful.
Perhaps our side should come up with BETTER energy reduction tactics?
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:02pm |
re: #489 eclectic infidel
Was not the United States born of rebellion?
Yes. Just pointing out that it wasn't considered a Christian virtue to rebel.
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ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:15pm |
re: #484 ploome hineni
when do you raise your hand and say Heil?
I...don't? Are you trying to call me an anti-Semite? I think you missed the point of the chapter. Jesus is calling out the so-called Jewish leaders for their corruption and their hypocrisies. He was against organized religion because it corrupted so easily.
| 506 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:19pm |
re: #478 freetoken
The point (implied) was, that worrying about CO2 is a non-issue because God hadn't said anything about CO2, AGW, and such.
And, BTW, the plants to which we have adapted the past 500,000 years have done their work with ~280ppm of CO2.
True, and true. I see tremendous hazard in further reduction of CO2, but a 10-fold increase is apparently harmless and probably beneficial.
| 507 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:24pm |
re: #490 USBeast
I'm puzzled by this obsession with what the Founding Father's believed. Is not what they did more important? They gave us a Constitution that recognizes the right of all of us to worship or not as suits our conscience. It doesn't matter if they believed it one God, six or none at all. It's what they did that matters.
it's interesting to get into their heads....grok or move on
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Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:31pm |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
I think it's supposed to be sort of a partial joke (I hope) but still encouraging people to be wasteful in these tough times just seems like a bad idea. Maybe my funnybone just ain't working.
I think it may be a backlash to being told to turn off the power.
| 509 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:11:36pm |
re: #423 Lincolntf
Did you ever see his "polygraph" (I think that's what he called it)? It was like a rack with which he'd write with one quill while another quill (attached by a geared arm of some sort) would mimic his writing? Kind of like an instant copy machine? It actually worked. That impressed me more than anything else I saw at M-cello.
pantograph
| 511 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:12:40pm |
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Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:12:57pm |
re: #475 Iron Fist
Bottom line - it was all about individual liberty. The founding fathers' various religious persuasions were not material. It simply does not matter, as far as the law of the USA is concerned.
It is not surprising that many may have not embraced the religious hierarchy, since historically such structures worked against individual liberty, as Jefferson wrote about quite a bit and quite clearly.
| 513 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:13:00pm |
re: #498 Slumbering Behemoth
It's all foolishness, I'm just making light of it. I hope everyone does exactly what they'd always do and not let this G.W. gobbledygook effect them one way or the other.
| 514 |
SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:13:29pm |
re: #432 LesLein
Jefferson missed the Constitutional Convention. He was in France.
By the way, the Constitution has a provision for practicing Christianity.
yes, the constitution allows the free practice of religion, which is actually contrary to what the bible teaches.
| 515 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:13:41pm |
re: #508 Mr. In get Mr. Out
I think it may be a backlash to being told to turn off the power.
it's stupid...who cares what you do, nobody will notice except you...it's ultimately narcissistic
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:13:41pm |
re: #506 UncleRancher
True, and true. I see tremendous hazard in further reduction of CO2, but a 10-fold increase is apparently harmless and probably beneficial.
Except to humans and other mammals and such, who might choke on it. I don't think we can breath 10x more CO2 than we have now, even though it's still a small number.
| 517 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:14:06pm |
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
Personally, I'm going to cook some red meat, drink beer and turn on all the lights.....
| 518 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:14:13pm |
re: #485 LesLein
"Freedom of the press" is in the constitution, and as we know the press often lies about or fabricates information. Therefore, our Founding Forefathers were in favor of and endorsed deception.
///
| 519 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:15:00pm |
re: #515 albusteve
it's stupid...who cares what you do, nobody will notice except you...it's ultimately narcissistic
As are most protests.
| 521 |
LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:15:23pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Did you mean besides the First Amendment?
Absolutely. Article I has a provision for Christian religious observation. If you read the link you'll find it.
[Link: www.usconstitution.net...]
| 522 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:16:01pm |
re: #485 LesLein
Why say "Our Lord" if they didn't believe in Our Lord? There were other ways of presenting dates available at the time. See the Declaration of Independence.
The post I responded to said that God is mentioned exactly zero times in the Constitution. "Our Lord" is an obvious reference to God. God is mentioned in the Constitution.
It is a convention. It is not meaningful as proof of anything. This is similar to "In God We Trust." The Supreme Court has ruled that this motto is a convention, with historical precedent, and therefore not a religious statement or an embrasure of religion or an establishment of religion.
| 523 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:16:02pm |
re: #503 jaunte
Yes. Just pointing out that it wasn't considered a Christian virtue to rebel.
Perhaps that is a point where Paul was wrong regarding Jesus' message. I only say this because of Jefferson's own opinion regarding Paul vs Jesus.
| 525 |
USBeast Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:16:19pm |
re: #507 albusteve
it's interesting to get into their heads....grok or move on
I'm more interested in protecting their work than dissecting their brains.
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:16:19pm |
re: #509 itellu3times
Really? Thanks. Ever since I saw it it's the first thing I think of when I hear about TJ's "inventiveness".
What a huge pain in the ass that must have been to build, it actually had to dip the quill automatically and everything.
| 527 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:16:24pm |
re: #514 spacejesus
You won't get to keep your -1000 karma that easily. Mwahahaha!
| 528 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:01pm |
re: #517 WhiteRasta
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
Personally, I'm going to cook some red meat, drink beer and turn on all the lights.....
Well, as a true conservative, I am going to turn off all my lights, go outside and grill a steak, crack open a beer and enjoy the outdoors.
| 529 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:05pm |
So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
You sure he wasn't talking about Congress?
| 530 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:08pm |
re: #518 Slumbering Behemoth
Article IV starts with the words "Full faith". I think you know what that means.
| 531 |
pious agnostic Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:15pm |
re: #80 MandyManners
Now that you've told Charles that his carpet sucks, are you gonna' pee on his dining room table?
That carpet really brought the room together.
| 532 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:15pm |
re: #518 Slumbering Behemoth
All the above, crank up the heat and the air conditioner and fry up some taters 'n gravy to go with the roast of beef ribs cooking in the oven. Then we're going to leave all the lights on except in one room where we will turn the down a bit so we can watch a movie.
| 533 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:42pm |
re: #515 albusteve
As long as it irritates the loony crowd, I'd say : Mission Accomplished.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:46pm |
re: #525 USBeast
I'm more interested in protecting their work than dissecting their brains.
fine...but you're here now and it's another fine learning experience eh?
| 535 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:17:54pm |
re: #520 ploome hineni
Soooo.... Again.....
How did what I wrote contradict what Charles wrote? Was Jefferson our only founding father?
| 536 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:18:14pm |
re: #521 LesLein
Why don't you quit pussyfooting around and just say what provision you think it is.
| 537 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:18:24pm |
re: #508 Mr. In get Mr. Out
I think it may be a backlash to being told to turn off the power.
Like eating all your Halloween candy at once because mean old mommy and daddy told you not too.
| 538 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:18:26pm |
re: #523 eclectic infidel
Religious authorities in general aren't fans of rebellion.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:18:51pm |
re: #517 WhiteRasta
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
Personally, I'm going to cook some red meat, drink beer and turn on all the lights.....
We'll be turning on the lights in order to differentiate ourselves from the surrounding moonbats.
| 540 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:19:02pm |
"Conservative" does not mean wasting resources or money.
Especially money.
;-)
| 541 |
USBeast Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:19:12pm |
re: #534 albusteve
fine...but you're here now and it's another fine learning experience eh?
Haven't read anything I haven't read before.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:19:16pm |
re: #533 WhiteRasta
As long as it irritates the loony crowd, I'd say : Mission Accomplished.
maybe I'll play more music than usual....just on the principle that it makes me jolly....how's that?
| 543 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:19:41pm |
re: #540 Racer X
"Conservative" does not mean wasting resources or money.
Especially money.
;-)
It will cost about a couple of bucks and I can afford it.
| 544 |
the1sgjohns Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:20:36pm |
re: #499 Charles
From the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution and might be where some confusion comes from:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --" Indiana U.
www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
Evidence that I believe our foundering fathers were religious but smart enough to exclude it from the constitution.
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jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:20:40pm |
re: #517 WhiteRasta
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
I'm going to send out an invoice, and celebrate Capitalism.
| 546 |
Obsidiandog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:20:55pm |
I tried to warn people about Illinois politicians before the election and now we're awash with them even at the highest levels. Living there, I can say there are few that aren't absolute embarrassments. Both parties, though because Chicago dominates the state and democrats rule Chicago with an iron fist, most of the clowns are democrats. And we know what they're like.
| 548 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:19pm |
re: #540 Racer X
Indeed- I'm not interested in upping my electric bill, because at the end of the day, that's all I'd be accomplishing.
| 549 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:26pm |
re: #513 Lincolntf
I suspected you were being sarcastic. I wasn't trying to dig at you, and I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. It's their money, and if they want to spend it foolishly wasting resources, that's their prerogative.
| 550 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:40pm |
Are all of the moonbat websites going to shut down for Earth hour (I suppose it would be tough with all the time zones) ?
If they did that, I'd actually be impressed.
| 551 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:51pm |
Poking a finger in the eye of liberals by being wasteful of energy and resources will bite us in the ass.
Wrong move.
| 552 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:52pm |
| 553 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:21:57pm |
re: #537 Slumbering Behemoth
Like eating all your Halloween candy at once because mean old mommy and daddy told you not too.
Pretty much.
| 554 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:01pm |
re: #545 jaunte
I'm going to send out an invoice, and celebrate Capitalism.
And Invoice Socialism for the bill.
| 555 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:07pm |
re: #481 Sharmuta
It's also fiscally stupid. Why would I want to increase my utility bill?
Yes, exactly.
It's like a bunch of teenagers, when their parents not to do something (like smoke), who then make it a point to go out and do exactly that thing, in order to rebel against the parental figure.
Our Albert oil lizard chided me early this morning when I rebuked someone for encouraging running water for 20 or 30 minutes (just as a demonstration against environmentalism)... as if I didn't get the humor of it. However, I took that (water running) poster at his word, that he really wanted to just run water for the sake of it, simply because I see so much of what people like Malkin are posting.
Right-winger = rebellious teenager. That is the idea I'm going with today.
| 556 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:12pm |
re: #521 LesLein
Absolutely. Article I has a provision for Christian religious observation. If you read the link you'll find it.
[Link: www.usconstitution.net...]
It does not.
| 557 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:19pm |
re: #544 the1sgjohns
"Creator" and "Nature's God" are Deist code words.
| 558 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:20pm |
| 559 |
Gella Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:48pm |
re: #546 Obsidiandog
I tried to warn people about Illinois politicians before the election and now we're awash with them even at the highest levels. Living there, I can say there are few that aren't absolute embarrassments. Both parties, though because Chicago dominates the state and democrats rule Chicago with an iron fist, most of the clowns are democrats. And we know what they're like.
with king Daily at its helm
| 560 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:22:59pm |
re: #549 Slumbering Behemoth
That's cool, it gets hard to tell.
Never know when someone's gonna get snippy.
| 561 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:23:02pm |
re: #515 albusteve
it's stupid...who cares what you do, nobody will notice except you...it's ultimately narcissistic
You'll really notice when you get your utilities bill. My ego isn't worth indulging in this anti-Earth Hour thing, and my frugal nature asks why have I been turning off lights and conserving energy all month to act like a loon on March 28th? There have to be better ways to stick it to the man. Just don't do the lights out thing.
| 562 |
USBeast Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:23:10pm |
It's time to feed the Beast. If I don't get my meals on time I start seeing my fellow human beings as sources of protein. BBL.
| 563 |
Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:23:29pm |
re: #521 LesLein
Absolutely. Article I has a provision for Christian religious observation. If you read the link you'll find it.
[Link: www.usconstitution.net...]
I just reread it. And found no provision such as that to which you alluded.
| 564 |
Aviator Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:23:58pm |
re: #555 freetoken
Yes, exactly.
It's like a bunch of teenagers, when their parents not to do something (like smoke), who then make it a point to go out and do exactly that thing, in order to rebel against the parental figure.
Our Albert oil lizard chided me early this morning when I rebuked someone for encouraging running water for 20 or 30 minutes (just as a demonstration against environmentalism)... as if I didn't get the humor of it. However, I took that (water running) poster at his word, that he really wanted to just run water for the sake of it, simply because I see so much of what people like Malkin are posting.
Right-winger = rebellious teenager. That is the idea I'm going with today.
I'm going with the idea you are a twit.
| 565 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:24:31pm |
re: #530 Sharmuta
Article IV starts with the words "Full faith". I think you know what that means.
That I am entitled to a full-figured woman named Faith? SWEET!
| 567 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:24:51pm |
re: #496 Thanos
I like light, life, purpose. I find pleasure in it. It's no waste to me to put all my lights on for an hour just to enjoy the fact that I can do so.
/just wait until you're forced to install a mandatory "smart meter" that will eventually be used to ration your energy use for the "common good"
| 568 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:24:55pm |
re: #551 Racer X
I resent being peer pressured into doing something meaningless and loony.
It's a complete waste of time and effort and the loonies can go screw, as far as I'm concerned.
| 569 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:25:13pm |
re: #552 Killgore Trout
Walking House Takes Off
[Video]
I want one.
where are you gonna go?.....out to the Herby Curby?
| 570 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:25:16pm |
re: #526 Lincolntf
Really? Thanks. Ever since I saw it it's the first thing I think of when I hear about TJ's "inventiveness".
What a huge pain in the ass that must have been to build, it actually had to dip the quill automatically and everything.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
There were even some primitive pre-fax machines built to do pantograph over telegraph wires! I don't see that mentioned in the wiki article.
| 571 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:25:43pm |
re: #552 Killgore Trout
Walking House Takes Off
I want one.
44% of the housing in NM is mobile homes, yet I've never seen one like that.
| 573 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:26:06pm |
re: #555 freetoken
Hey free. Did you see the link I posted on your spinoff-link? It's a free downloadable book that you may enjoy:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 574 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:26:20pm |
Where oh where IS this GW anyway? I'm looking out the window at heavy snowfall and about 2" accumulation and it's time to plant the tomatoes. re: #552 Killgore Trout
Walking House Takes Off
[Video]I want one.
She called them hydraulic cylinders. They are actually electric actuators with little gearmotors in each one.
Wheels would have been much easier.
| 575 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:26:22pm |
re: #555 freetoken
Being contrary just because I can would make me feel too much like that media guy who hangs out around here sometimes. But mostly, I just don't want to pay more money just to prove my "conservative" credentials. Dumb.
| 576 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:26:49pm |
re: #568 WhiteRasta
I resent being peer pressured into doing something meaningless and loony.
It's a complete waste of time and effort and the loonies can go screw, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm cool with that. Ignore it - like I do Earth Day.
But to do just the opposite of what liberals are doing just because they are liberal - is a bit childish. Don't you think?
| 577 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:27:19pm |
I wonder what will waste more energy when all is said and done- people who decide to leave the lights on & fire up appliances as a thumb in the eye of Artificial Global Warming proponents or all the energy expended to make Hollywood Global Warming screeds like The Day After Tomorrow, An Inconvenient Truth or the Day the Earth Stood Still re-make?
| 578 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:27:23pm |
re: #568 WhiteRasta
I resent being peer pressured into doing something meaningless and loony.
It's a complete waste of time and effort and the loonies can go screw, as far as I'm concerned.
Hey, if the loonies can go screw, maybe I'll become a ...?
| 579 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:27:36pm |
re: #566 the1sgjohns
Nope, just some time to read up on Deism in the 18th century.
| 580 |
rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:28:38pm |
Later, Lizards. I am off to plant some flowering seeds I bought at Monticello gift shop. It is called cockscomb. I don't give them much chance in this climate, but if they grow, it will be spectacular.
| 581 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:28:41pm |
re: #577 Fenway_Nation
Maybe we could organize a conservative "Don't go to the Movies" month to save energy.
| 582 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:28:51pm |
I'm not going to participate in this "lights off" business, but I'm also not going to gratuitously waste resources just to spite environmentalists.
Since when did "conservatism" equal "gratuitous waste?"
| 583 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:28:54pm |
Killgore is taking his house for a walk....fresh air
| 584 |
debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:01pm |
re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you came here specifically to get dinged down 1,000 times? That is very odd.
Dream big.
| 585 |
LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:08pm |
re: #495 Salamantis
So the vast majority of people around at the time, who used that dating system, would know when the document was written?
They could have used the dating format in the Declaration of Independence, which didn't mention "Our Lord." (The Declaration does mention "Nature's God.")
| 587 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:21pm |
re: #576 Racer X
Yes, I agree it's a bit childish. Their sanctimonious preaching just rubs me the wrong way....
| 588 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:25pm |
| 589 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:43pm |
Might as well stop calling ourselves "Conservative" then.
Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.
| 590 |
Aviator Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:29:46pm |
re: #570 itellu3times
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
There were even some primitive pre-fax machines built to do pantograph over telegraph wires! I don't see that mentioned in the wiki article.
Their descendants are now electronic.
[Link: www.signaturemachine.com...]
I'll bet there is at least one of these in the White House. Hangs out with TOTUS. Probably is known as SMOTUS (Signature Machine of the US).
| 591 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:30:07pm |
re: #573 Basho
Hey free. Did you see the link I posted on your spinoff-link? It's a free downloadable book that you may enjoy:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
yup. thanks.
| 592 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:30:08pm |
re: #581 jaunte
Maybe we could organize a conservative "Don't go to the Movies" month to save energy.
now that's a hell of an idea....I don't do movies every month
| 593 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:30:25pm |
re: #560 Lincolntf
The only way I would be snippy about this issue is if I was the one paying the energy bill. People can do what they want, it's their money. I just think it's silly.
| 594 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:30:25pm |
re: #582 Charles
Since when did "conservatism" equal "gratuitous waste?"
Well- they've been around. Goldwater criticized them too.
| 595 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:30:29pm |
re: #570 itellu3times
Ooops, wrong thing. The "polygraph" that is at Monticello is this one, that he helped design. Not the "pantograph" referenced at Wiki. Pretty much the same idea, but Jefferson's looked a bit more like a torture device.
| 596 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:31:00pm |
re: #521 LesLein
Absolutely. Article I has a provision for Christian religious observation. If you read the link you'll find it.
[Link: www.usconstitution.net...]
Les, that is not a provision for Christian religious observation, if you are talking about what I think you are. It is the equivalent of saying "10 business days." Initially, this clause gave the President seven days. It was amended to give the President more time.
Contrary to the argument of some accommodationists, the "Sundays excepted" clause is inexplicable as an attempt to recognize a Sabbath or establish a day of rest. Most states had Sunday laws at the time of the Constitution, and these laws were quite clear about (1) equating Sunday with the Sabbath, and (2) prohibiting non-essential activities on Sunday. The "Sundays excepted" clause does neither of these things. The text of the clause excepts "Sunday," not the "Sabbath;" it does not reference the Sabbath in any way or take any position on what day the Sabbath should be kept. Similarly, the "Sundays excepted" clause applies only to the President, and does nothing but exempt Sunday from the 10 days he has to veto legislation before they become law. It does not prohibit him from vetoing legislation or performing any other duty of his office on Sunday. The clause is completely unlike the Sabbath laws in the states; it falls utterly short of establishing a Sabbath.
The framers were intimately familiar with state practices regarding Sundays; if they wanted to pay homage to the Sabbath they would have copied state Sunday law on the federal level, made provisions for shutting down portions of the federal government on Sundays, or explained the "Sundays excepted" clause in religious terms. The Convention did none of these things. Instead, the founders chose language that would distance the Constitution from both the practices of the states and the constitutions of those European countries with church/state unions. This approach would be expected if the founders wanted to ensure that the Constitution would not be read as an endorsement of any one religion or religion in particular.
Source of quote: [Link: candst.tripod.com...]
| 597 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:31:10pm |
re: #592 albusteve
now that's a hell of an idea....I don't do movies every month
I wonder if any actors would go along with it, to 'save the planet.'
| 598 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:31:13pm |
re: #587 WhiteRasta
Yes, I agree it's a bit childish. Their sanctimonious preaching just rubs me the wrong way....
I agree with you there.
I really think conservatives need to develop a new tactic. Be bold! Be innovative! Appeal to the masses! Be logical.
| 599 |
jorline Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:31:23pm |
My son's second baseball game of the day is at 8pm tonight...
The lights will be on at the ballpark tonight. :)
| 600 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:31:59pm |
re: #582 Charles
I'm not going to participate in this "lights off" business, but I'm also not going to gratuitously waste resources just to spite environmentalists.
Since when did "conservatism" equal "gratuitous waste?"
I still cant get over the 'degradable' plastic shopping bags. The number of times the bags have gone and degraded before I get the basket of groceries home is just too numerous to count. This means I have to use another bag to cart it the rest of the way home.
How is this saving the environment?
| 601 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:32:20pm |
For some strange reason, this video seems appropriate to threads such as these:
| 602 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:33:11pm |
re: #598 Racer X
I agree with you there.
I really think conservatives need to develop a new tactic. Be bold! Be innovative! Appeal to the masses! Be logical.
How about a full day of no driving except for essential and emergency services. Tie it in with a full payroll tax-free day.
Any takes?
| 603 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:33:13pm |
I don't care if it rains or freezes
long as I have my plastic Jesus
sittin on the dashboard of my car
| 605 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:33:31pm |
Gack.... curses on disabled embedding...
| 606 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:33:42pm |
re: #590 Aviator
Their descendants are now electronic.
[Link: www.signaturemachine.com...]
I'll bet there is at least one of these in the White House. Hangs out with TOTUS. Probably is known as SMOTUS (Signature Machine of the US).
Gadzooks! Put it next to the teleprompter, and obambi can be relegated to the bowling alley.
There was a CSI Miami episode that revolved around an auto-signing machine. But I'm not sure if any of these work over phone lines. Or can strut around the room patting themselves on the back after signing.
| 607 |
LesLein Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:02pm |
re: #536 Sharmuta
Why don't you quit pussyfooting around and just say what provision you think it is.
I was hoping someone might go read the Constitution before making statements about it.
Article I, Section 9 gives the President 10 days to veto legislation, "Sundays excepted." The obvious intent was to allow for Christian religious observation.
| 608 |
Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:04pm |
re: #585 LesLein
They could have used the dating format in the Declaration of Independence, which didn't mention "Our Lord." (The Declaration does mention "Nature's God.")
Once again, "Nature's God" and 'Creator" were Deist, not Theist, descriptors.
| 609 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:30pm |
re: #602 Gus 802
Again, that would be a meaningless gesture and have no effect on anything at the end of the day..
| 610 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:37pm |
re: #602 Gus 802
How about a full day of no driving except for essential and emergency services. Tie it in with a full payroll tax-free day.
Any takes?
how about a month when you don't pay your taxes?...ever wonder where 'payroll deduction' comes from?
| 611 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:48pm |
re: #602 Gus 802
How about a full day of no driving except for essential and emergency services. Tie it in with a full payroll tax-free day.
Any takes?
Sounds good. Do everything bigger and better.
| 612 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:34:55pm |
re: #590 Aviator
Their descendants are now electronic.
[Link: www.signaturemachine.com...]
I'll bet there is at least one of these in the White House. Hangs out with TOTUS. Probably is known as SMOTUS (Signature Machine of the US).
Sounds like some divine form of punishment.
| 614 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:07pm |
re: #595 Lincolntf
Ooops, wrong thing. The "polygraph" that is at Monticello is this one, that he helped design. Not the "pantograph" referenced at Wiki. Pretty much the same idea, but Jefferson's looked a bit more like a torture device.
okey dokey.
| 615 |
TaeJohnDo Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:08pm |
re: #517 WhiteRasta
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
Personally, I'm going to cook some red meat, drink beer and turn on all the lights.....
I am going back to Mother Earth and eat her bounty -- New Mexico (Estancia, 2008 crop) Organic Pinto Beans, naturally slow cooked in a minimal energy using crock pot. I will then meditate after observing a moving message.
Of course, the beans will taste REALLY good because I added about a pound and a half of ham, and the moving message will be the new Bond movie seen on my 62 inch HD TV. Nothing makes me think more than a full belly and a good Bond movie.
| 616 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:19pm |
re: #568 WhiteRasta
I resent being peer pressured into doing something meaningless and loony.
"Earth Hour" and the "Anti-Earth Hour" are both equally meaningless and loony. The only effect either will have will be a boost or a dip in you electric bill, and the smug, self-satisfaction one feels when they think they've "stuck it to the man".
Lights on, lights off, whatever. Have at it. It'll business as usual for me as I completely disregard both protest and counter protest (i.e. being conservative with my resources).
| 617 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:31pm |
re: #610 albusteve
how about a month when you don't pay your taxes?...ever wonder where 'payroll deduction' comes from?
A tax free month and no driving? Hmmm, let me think about that.
| 618 |
Crux Australis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:34pm |
To those who are interested this is what the first words of the Australian Constitution say...
Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth.....
( Western Australia had not joined up at the first writing of the Constitution)
BUT
Section 116
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion......
Interesting?
| 619 |
WhiteRasta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:35:56pm |
Gotta go cook some red meat. Later, Lizards....
| 620 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:36:11pm |
re: #607 LesLein
I don't know who you think you are to assume I or any other Lizard hasn't read the Constitution. I have three copies within arms reach. I keep one in my purse. I've written quite a bit about the Constitution. So knock off the coy crap.
| 621 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:36:24pm |
re: #611 Mr. In get Mr. Out
Sounds good. Do everything bigger and better.
Yeah, as opposed to doing the opposite sometimes the other tactic is to up the ante if you know what I mean.
| 622 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:36:31pm |
Sorry I'm late. :)
I could help but notice that young lady behind to his left appeared to struggling to keep a straight face when he started out. Could be my imagination.
I do however also remember the great late Jerry Falwell stating that God will not allow the earth's temperature to change by ONE degree. I guess he meant by no means, whether "natural" or human.
| 624 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:37:33pm |
re: #622 Naso Tang
I do however also remember the great late Jerry Falwell stating that God will not allow the earth's temperature to change by ONE degree. I guess he meant by no means, whether "natural" or human.
So much for fire and brimstone.
| 625 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:37:53pm |
re: #607 LesLein
Can you please point out which essay in the Federalist Papers supports your assertion? Any supporting documentation anywhere that supports your assertion?
| 626 |
Aviator Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:37:57pm |
re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth
"Earth Hour" and the "Anti-Earth Hour" are both equally meaningless and loony. The only effect either will have will be a boost or a dip in you electric bill, and the smug, self-satisfaction one feels when they think they've "stuck it to the man".
Lights on, lights off, whatever. Have at it. It'll business as usual for me as I completely disregard both protest and counter protest (i.e. being conservative with my resources).
I agree. I am planning on just m usual activities. I think I will go out to my workshop and tinker around with my cyclotron.
/
| 627 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:38:19pm |
Is this Earth hour at 8:30 PM no matter where you are? I have a few moonbat neighbors (well, one is definite and there are a couple of other suspects).
I'll be curious to see if they cut out their lights at the appointed hour.
| 628 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:38:24pm |
re: #585 LesLein
(The Declaration does mention "Nature's God.")
See, I told you they were tree-hugging pagans.
//
| 629 |
Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:38:26pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
Those who wish to confront AGW will have to do so with real science
Those who wish to promote AGW need to do so with real science.
I am not convinced by computer models that can't predict the weather a week, month or year from now.
| 630 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:38:59pm |
re: #160 Lincolntf
Okay, Sharmuta.
I'll keep studying real hard and when I find a country that was founded by men who never cited the OT and then named that country the United States of America, I'll let you know.
Hey, Linc, has it occurred to you that the Bible is literature, as well as being a Holy Book to some people. Furthermore, it was literature that was well-known to every educated person at the time. as it still is, or should be.
That any given historic individual used a quote from the Bible proves absolutely nothing, other than the fact that they had what would be considered a basic education at the time. It tells us nothing about whether that person believed, in the religious sense.
The fact that I might choose to quote Karl Marx, in the appropriate context, does not make me a Communist.
Religious people, in particular, seem to have a hard time getting their heads around this idea.
| 631 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:39:08pm |
re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth
"Earth Hour" and the "Anti-Earth Hour" are both equally meaningless and loony. The only effect either will have will be a boost or a dip in you electric bill, and the smug, self-satisfaction one feels when they think they've "stuck it to the man".
Lights on, lights off, whatever. Have at it. It'll business as usual for me as I completely disregard both protest and counter protest (i.e. being conservative with my resources).
However, if they had done it in order to reduce light pollution so that people, most for the first time in their lives, could really see what the night sky looks like, then I'm all for it, every weekend.
| 632 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:39:10pm |
| 633 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:39:52pm |
re: #607 LesLein
I was hoping someone might go read the Constitution before making statements about it.
Article I, Section 9 gives the President 10 days to veto legislation, "Sundays excepted." The obvious intent was to allow for Christian religious observation.
Well at least Christian not working on the Sabbath. I suppose even a Deist can respect that as a good idea! Especially golfing Deists.
| 634 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:39:53pm |
re: #629 Wendya
Those who wish to promote AGW need to do so with real science.
I am not convinced by computer models that can't predict the weather a week, month or year from now.
I can predict the weather 340 days a year in ABQ....sunshine
| 635 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:40:23pm |
Anybody seen the new "Microsoft" commercial. Lady trying to buy a laptop with a 17" screen, number pad, etc. for under 1,000.00. Goes to the Apple store, comes out, says, "Guess I can't afford to be cool enough to be a Mac person."
Pretty effective ad, IMHO.
| 636 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:40:30pm |
re: #630 Alberta Oil Peon
Has it ever occurred to you that all I said was that the FF's referenced the OT? You're going to need to find someone else to scream at if you're looking for a Religious battle.
| 637 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:40:43pm |
re: #201 monkeytime
I keeping my eye on you because I want to be the one to give you your 1000th down ding! It's gonna be tricky but I like a challenge.
He's at 999...
| 638 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:41:15pm |
re: #583 albusteve
Actually I'm playing around with my new aeroponic indoor gardening system. I found a couple hypersonic nebulizers at a science resale store and cut up a Rubbermaid bin. Works pretty well so far. should support 10-15 plants. I think I can build more of them for about 40 bucks a piece. Using 20 watts now but I think a timer (10 minutes on, 20 off) should work to cut energy cost.
| 639 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:41:51pm |
re: #635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Anybody seen the new "Microsoft" commercial. Lady trying to buy a laptop with a 17" screen, number pad, etc. for under 1,000.00. Goes to the Apple store, comes out, says, "Guess I can't afford to be cool enough to be a Mac person."
Pretty effective ad, IMHO.
Haven't seen that yet.
Their little kiddie ads are very good, too. Though I'm starting to get sick of them, being older than 8 years old myself.
First effective TV ads Microsoft has ever had.
| 640 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:41:51pm |
8:30's gonna be here in a bit. Everybody got their spotlight's and plasma tv's turned on?
| 641 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:42:07pm |
re: #603 albusteve
I don't care if it rains or freezes
long as I have my plastic Jesus
sittin on the dashboard of my car
| 642 |
Salamantis Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:42:13pm |
re: #607 LesLein
I was hoping someone might go read the Constitution before making statements about it.
Article I, Section 9 gives the President 10 days to veto legislation, "Sundays excepted." The obvious intent was to allow for Christian religious observation.
Sundays were excepted because folks then, like folks now, traditionally took Sundays off. Although the practice was rooted in millennia-old Christian observance, even back then a lot of people used their day off for many other leisure activities besides religious observance, so the mention was meant to recognize that traditional day off that people put to whatever religious or secular use they desired.
| 643 |
Gella Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:42:28pm |
re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
8:30's gonna be here in a bit. Everybody got their spotlight's and plasma tv's turned on?
all lights are on, so are Tvs
| 644 |
TaeJohnDo Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:42:47pm |
re: #582 Charles
I'm not going to participate in this "lights off" business, but I'm also not going to gratuitously waste resources just to spite environmentalists.
Since when did "conservatism" equal "gratuitous waste?"
Real conservatives think long term, and SOUND environmental practice is good business in the long term. My wife spent several years working as an Environmental Engineer and I have a MS in Environmental Studies. And we both know the best President in a long long long time was RR. You don't have to be a wacko to believe in the environment. And no, we don't think Global Warming is going to destroy the earth and we do think oil and coal and nuclear are just fine, as long as you take prudent and sound precautions.
Now, off to eat my beans and contribute a little to green house gasses ....
| 646 |
Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:43:17pm |
re: #634 albusteve
I can predict the weather 340 days a year in ABQ....sunshine
We were supposed to get 6-10 inches of snow thurs-fri. We got about an inch and a half.
| 647 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:43:29pm |
re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth
"Earth Hour" and the "Anti-Earth Hour" are both equally meaningless and loony. The only effect either will have will be a boost or a dip in you electric bill, and the smug, self-satisfaction one feels when they think they've "stuck it to the man".
Lights on, lights off, whatever. Have at it. It'll business as usual for me as I completely disregard both protest and counter protest (i.e. being conservative with my resources).
This all made me think of the album "Keep Your Hands of My Power Supply," which made me think of Run, Run Away. So.
| 649 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:01pm |
| 650 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:09pm |
Fargo gets good news with new flood forecast
Fargo's fears of a catastrophic flood eased Saturday with word that the Red River apparently crested at lower-than-expected levels, and weary residents turned their attention to ensuring their hastily built levees hold up against an onslaught of ice-laden water expected to stay high for at least a week.
| 651 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:22pm |
My own special contribution to Earth Hour
Don't let the exhaust, high horsepower and staggering amounts of coal fool you. Even with 30-40 year old 'jalopies' doing the hauling, rail transport remains the most 'eco-firendly' means of getting large quantites of goods to market.
Of course, this means absolutely nothing to the greenies who'd rather see the majority of the industrialized world revert back to living in squalor and filth....(i.e. that coal shouldn't be transported to power plants, eliminating the need for those locomotives to burn any fuel, etc etc)....
| 652 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:32pm |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Actually I'm playing around with my new aeroponic indoor gardening system. I found a couple hypersonic nebulizers at a science resale store and cut up a Rubbermaid bin. Works pretty well so far. should support 10-15 plants. I think I can build more of them for about 40 bucks a piece. Using 20 watts now but I think a timer (10 minutes on, 20 off) should work to cut energy cost.
sounds pretty cool...are you using natural light?...are these starters to move outdoors?
| 653 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:36pm |
re: #639 itellu3times
Haven't seen that yet.
Their little kiddie ads are very good, too. Though I'm starting to get sick of them, being older than 8 years old myself.
First effective TV ads Microsoft has ever had.
The ads Apple put out with the kid as the Mac and the PC with glasses made me never want to buy any Apple Product, so I haven't.
| 654 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:44:59pm |
| 655 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:45:22pm |
re: #627 Lincolntf
Is this Earth hour at 8:30 PM no matter where you are? I have a few moonbat neighbors (well, one is definite and there are a couple of other suspects).
I'll be curious to see if they cut out their lights at the appointed hour.
Well, Earth Hour ain't gonna fly at my house. I work on Sunday, and I work the swing shift, and I telecommute. I'll have the power on. Not that I'd do this anyway.
| 656 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:45:31pm |
re: #646 Wendya
We were supposed to get 6-10 inches of snow thurs-fri. We got about an inch and a half.
where are you?...you may have said
| 657 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:46:31pm |
re: #650 jcm
yes indeed....I really hope those folks dodge this one....floods on that scale are utterly horrendous
| 658 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:47:10pm |
re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
8:30's gonna be here in a bit. Everybody got their spotlight's and plasma tv's turned on?
did my bit a few hours ago in the uk. all the lights turned on, tv on, all the computers & games consoles on, all the kitchen utilities on
peoples cube nails it
Image: EarthHour_NorthKorea_160.gif
"lets be more like north korea"
gotta love the banner they're running on the front page
[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]
Image: EarthHour_Floodlights.jpg
"we've got enough megawatts to celebrate all night"
| 659 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:47:21pm |
Actually, the light's out thing is kind of funny.
Turn off the lights, sit around for an hour, wondering when you can turn the lights back on.
Seems pretty fruitless to me.
| 660 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:47:30pm |
re: #653 Mr. In get Mr. Out
The ads Apple put out with the kid as the Mac and the PC with glasses made me never want to buy any Apple Product, so I haven't.
They were borderline slander. Apple has great marketing. That's pretty much it. It's trendy to own an Apple product
| 661 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:47:43pm |
re: #655 Catttt
Well, Earth Hour ain't gonna fly at my house. I work on Sunday, and I work the swing shift, and I telecommute. I'll have the power on. Not that I'd do this anyway.
I'm not going to do it. As it stands I run about 4 25 Watt CF light bulbs here for a total of 100 Watts. The computer is 550 watts. Damned as hell if I'll unplug my refrigerator.
| 662 |
Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:47:59pm |
| 663 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:48:07pm |
re: #648 Iron Fist
Now that seems like a prudent use of resources.
| 664 |
LGoPs Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:48:07pm |
re: #627 Lincolntf
Is this Earth hour at 8:30 PM no matter where you are? I have a few moonbat neighbors (well, one is definite and there are a couple of other suspects).
I'll be curious to see if they cut out their lights at the appointed hour.
It'd be neat to screw with them and cut their power so that after the hour is up they go WTF? Give them a taste of what the greenies would like to see year round......
/
| 665 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:48:39pm |
re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually, the light's out thing is kind of funny.
Turn off the lights, sit around for an hour, wondering when you can turn the lights back on.
Seems pretty fruitless to me.
I think the way it will really work is:
Turn off the lights, but keep the tv or stereo on for an hour.
| 666 |
Gella Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:48:42pm |
re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually, the light's out thing is kind of funny.
Turn off the lights, sit around for an hour, wondering when you can turn the lights back on.
Seems pretty fruitless to me.
it wont safe much, commercial markets eats more energy then residential
| 667 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:48:45pm |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Actually I'm playing around with my new aeroponic indoor gardening system. I found a couple hypersonic nebulizers at a science resale store and cut up a Rubbermaid bin. Works pretty well so far. should support 10-15 plants. I think I can build more of them for about 40 bucks a piece. Using 20 watts now but I think a timer (10 minutes on, 20 off) should work to cut energy cost.
Uhhh....what are you growing?
| 668 |
Gella Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:49:22pm |
so, speaking of earth hour, how Zero will survive with out his teleprompter?
| 669 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:49:25pm |
re: #660 ConservatismNow!
They were borderline slander. Apple has great marketing. That's pretty much it. It's trendy to own an Apple product
I understood the ads fine, but they seemed pretty smug to me.
| 670 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:49:27pm |
| 671 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:49:36pm |
re: #660 ConservatismNow!
They were borderline slander. Apple has great marketing. That's pretty much it. It's trendy to own an Apple product
Trendy?
Give in to the dark side. Soon you will never go back.
| 672 |
LGoPs Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:50:47pm |
re: #551 Racer X
Poking a finger in the eye of liberals by being wasteful of energy and resources will bite us in the ass.
Wrong move.
I'm tired of these control freaks telling every one what to do.......and the herd following along mindlessly.
Just say No to being a sheep.
| 673 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:50:55pm |
re: #653 Mr. In get Mr. Out
The ads Apple put out with the kid as the Mac and the PC with glasses made me never want to buy any Apple Product, so I haven't.
So you want to start a real religious war on LGF?
Well let's get it on!
///// ;-P
*25 year Mac guy*
| 674 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:50:59pm |
re: #671 Boxy_brown
My 17% Dell employee discount says no.
| 675 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:51:24pm |
re: #582 Charles
I'm not going to participate in this "lights off" business, but I'm also not going to gratuitously waste resources just to spite environmentalists.
Since when did "conservatism" equal "gratuitous waste?"
but still - turning on everything is a nice symbolic sign of resistance against the moonbats who want to bring us back to the stone age.
| 676 |
TaeJohnDo Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:51:37pm |
re: #615 TaeJohnDo
I am going back to Mother Earth and eat her bounty -- New Mexico (Estancia, 2008 crop) Organic Pinto Beans, naturally slow cooked in a minimal energy using crock pot. I will then meditate after observing a moving message.
Of course, the beans will taste REALLY good because I added about a pound and a half of ham, and the moving message will be the new Bond movie seen on my 62 inch HD TV. Nothing makes me think more than a full belly and a good Bond movie.
Oh, and it is leftover ham. So Mother Earth can weep with joy!
| 677 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:52:05pm |
re: #662 Wendya
Northeast of Santa Fe.
I was out and about today and Mt Taylor still has alot of snow...and looking up to Santa Fe looks pretty snowy as well....the river is topped off and everything looks good so far down here...still alot of snow up in CO too...
| 678 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:52:21pm |
re: #664 LGoPs
That would be hilarious. Mean, but hilarious.
| 680 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:52:39pm |
re: #674 ConservatismNow!
Dude! I've got a Dell!
| 681 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:53:06pm |
| 682 |
erevu Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:53:17pm |
The Stupid Party vs. The Dangerous Party.
We're all doomed.
| 683 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:53:40pm |
Gonna turn on all my lights (including outdoors), but also, think I might drive around the neighborhood and see what neighbors I should continue to ignore.
| 685 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:54:15pm |
re: #683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gonna turn on all my lights (including outdoors), but also, think I might drive around the neighborhood and see what neighbors I should continue to ignore.
use up some gas too....good thinking you snoop
| 686 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:54:26pm |
re: #673 jcm
So you want to start a real religious war on LGF?
Well let's get it on!
///// ;-P
*25 year Mac guy*
I have nothing against Apple. The ads just turned me off of ever buying a MacBook.
| 687 |
debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:54:45pm |
re: #470 Charles
I agree. I'm not down with this at all. Promoting wasteful energy consumption just to stick a thumb in the eye of environmentalists is childish.
Now I'm stuck with all these unrentable Klieg lights.
| 688 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:54:50pm |
have a look at this earth hour twitter search
[Link: search.twitter.com...]
insane & irrational moonbattery in action. i truely fear for the future of western civilisation.
| 689 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:14pm |
re: #684 jcm
I've gone to custom builds for PCs.
I did that before, but now I have two Gateways, which I like. I also have the insurance, because I tend to break stuff.
| 690 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:16pm |
re: #684 jcm
I've gone to custom builds for PCs.
That was going to be next step before the economy tanked. Was planning on a gaming and graphics system. Gaming would be for FSX and graphics for a number of programs I use.
| 691 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:17pm |
re: #678 Lincolntf
That would be hilarious. Mean, but hilarious.
Not so far-fetched, however. If enough moonbats turn off all the electrics, the generator stations trip out and go off line to prevent over-voltage and a massive blackout ensues when the load comes back on 60 minutes later.
I'll bet the participation is so low it doesn't happen.
| 692 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:32pm |
re: #684 jcm
I've gone to custom builds for PCs.
yup...have had my HP rebuilt twice....she's blazing fast
| 693 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:51pm |
re: #688 buzzdroid
have a look at this earth hour twitter search
[Link: search.twitter.com...]
insane & irrational moonbattery in action. i truely fear for the future of western civilisation.
This is the kind of crap that makes me want to burn tires in my backyard.
| 694 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:55:54pm |
Did you see the link on the front page by Carl in Jerusalem? I knew who Irena Sendler was, but didn't know she was nominated for the Nobel Prize and the person who won that year was Al Gore!
| 695 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:56:00pm |
re: #652 albusteve
sounds pretty cool...are you using natural light?...are these starters to move outdoors?
I'm starting with my wasabi. It likes low light so I can keep in a room with a few windows. I plan on keeping it inside. It does best at room temp. The winters are too cold and the summers are too hot for it here. I do have grow lights and started my tomatoes in hand watered soil pots to be transplanted outside when the weather warms up.
If I can get the areoponics to work I can grow more stuff inside and not have to worry about watering it everyday or going out of town. I'd guess i'll have to clean out the bins every couple of months but it's pretty hassle free. Since it's all contained in one bin I don't have to worry about leaks or complicated plumbing. I'm pretty excited about it.
| 696 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:56:56pm |
re: #667 BignJames
Wasabi, malabar spinach, tomatoes, kumquats, basil.
| 697 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:57:02pm |
Here's a heck of an energy source.
| 698 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:57:17pm |
re: #695 Killgore Trout
That reminds me - I think I'll put wasabi peas on my ramen tonight.
| 699 |
SixDegrees Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:58:23pm |
re: #21 Sharmuta
Pretty sure the Bible says we're to be good stewards of this planet, too.
It does, indeed. Right there in Genesis, too:
"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."
"serve the garden in which we have been placed"
both from Genesis 2:15.
A lot of Fundamentalist whacks thing that environmentalism is wrong because it is based on Godless rationalism - science, in this case. Others think it simply doesn't matter, because the earth is doomed anyway, so it's fine to treat it like a toilet, despite God's admonitions against doing so.
There are certainly arguments to be made against a lot of environmental precepts. Trying to combat them with mumbo-jumbo, however, seems like a strategy devised by the Left in order to make those uttering it seem like fools, which Representative Shimkus certainly succeeds at.
| 700 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:58:23pm |
re: #692 albusteve
yup...have had my HP rebuilt twice....she's blazing fast
I've got an aging Micro ATX MOBO HP. Nvidia 9600 GS OC 512 MB GPU. 3 GB Ram all working around an Intel P4 HT.
Newer HDs, Fans, Case, PSU, and GPU.
Does the trick.
| 701 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:58:39pm |
Just as a theological note:
Given the horrors of the World Wars, Aids, Poverty and Nuclear Proliferation, it is remarkably stupid to make bets on what God will or will not allow.
I am saying this as a person of faith. Whenever someone tries to sugar coat the world and say that God will allow this or not allow that, that person needs to realize that they have left the bounds of reason as well as any theology of an Abrahamic root.
| 702 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:59:22pm |
re: #695 Killgore Trout
I'm starting with my wasabi. It likes low light so I can keep in a room with a few windows. I plan on keeping it inside. It does best at room temp. The winters are too cold and the summers are too hot for it here. I do have grow lights and started my tomatoes in hand watered soil pots to be transplanted outside when the weather warms up.
If I can get the areoponics to work I can grow more stuff inside and not have to worry about watering it everyday or going out of town. I'd guess i'll have to clean out the bins every couple of months but it's pretty hassle free. Since it's all contained in one bin I don't have to worry about leaks or complicated plumbing. I'm pretty excited about it.
good for you....I used to grow alot of stuff back when I was married...indoor/outdoor....had a real green thumb for awhile....sound like you are having fun and that counts for alot
| 703 |
redc1c4 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:00:17pm |
i'm gonna run everything i can find to turn on, except power tools....
they'd interfere with me opening and closing the frig to get another beer.
side bar: we went to pick up HRH's CZ-52 this morning, and some moonbat had hung homemade banners on the bridge right at where the 134 runs into the 5 headed east....
on the way back, i got out, and while she did a long doughnut to come back, i tore both the sheets down off the railing/fence.
got some dirty looks from the fools in a hybrid, and a new supply of gun cleaning rags.
win/win!
| 704 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:00:30pm |
re: #698 Catttt
I'm going to be submitting my recipe for homemade Udon for the next cookbook. Real homemade noodles from scratch. I'm not sure how many people would be interested in it but keep an eye out in case it makes the cut.
| 705 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:00:32pm |
re: #699 SixDegrees
It does, indeed. Right there in Genesis, too:
"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."
"serve the garden in which we have been placed"
both from Genesis 2:15.
A lot of Fundamentalist whacks thing that environmentalism is wrong because it is based on Godless rationalism - science, in this case. Others think it simply doesn't matter, because the earth is doomed anyway, so it's fine to treat it like a toilet, despite God's admonitions against doing so.
There are certainly arguments to be made against a lot of environmental precepts. Trying to combat them with mumbo-jumbo, however, seems like a strategy devised by the Left in order to make those uttering it seem like fools, which Representative Shimkus certainly succeeds at.
Well said. If you take the view of the commentaries, the belief is that man's role in creation as as a steward and a partner.
| 706 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:01:19pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
I've got an aging Micro ATX MOBO HP. Nvidia 9600 GS OC 512 MB GPU. 3 GB Ram all working around an Intel P4 HT.
Newer HDs, Fans, Case, PSU, and GPU.
Does the trick.
3g of ram?...yowza!...I have 2
| 707 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:01:29pm |
Charles, I agree that this is childish, but, I'm going to plug up the blender now.
| 708 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:03pm |
re: #707 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Charles, I agree that this is childish, but, I'm going to plug up the blender now.
Plug up or plug in?
| 709 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:04pm |
re: #688 buzzdroid
have a look at this earth hour twitter search
[Link: search.twitter.com...]
insane & irrational moonbattery in action. i truely fear for the future of western civilisation.
Well, I have a light on here at my desk, my computer is running, the fridge and furnace are cycling on and off, I have a lamp on in the living room and a small light on over the sink, and I'm not turning anything off. And just to be a contrarian, I may go nuts and turn on another lamp or two.
| 710 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:05pm |
re: #706 albusteve
3g of ram?...yowza!...I have 2
Couldn't pass up a sale they had back when CompUSA was in town.
| 711 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:37pm |
re: #702 albusteve
I really should be spending the time and money tinkering with stuff like this but I can't help it. It's fun and I rationalize that it might put some food on the table eventually.
| 712 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:54pm |
| 713 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:02:57pm |
re: #704 Killgore Trout
I'm going to be submitting my recipe for homemade Udon for the next cookbook. Real homemade noodles from scratch. I'm not sure how many people would be interested in it but keep an eye out in case it makes the cut.
my grandmother and mom made noodles, all by hand....mmmmm
| 714 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:03:06pm |
re: #686 Mr. In get Mr. Out
I have nothing against Apple. The ads just turned me off of ever buying a MacBook.
LOL! I actually end up recommending more of my friends for PC than Mac. If you are going to do basic stuff, PC's a better deal in most cases. For me it's as much habit as anything else, and for what I do a Mac is a better fit.
My buddy at work and I have Mac v. PC wars all the time, all in good fun...
| 715 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:03:12pm |
re: #708 wrenchwench
Plug up or plug in?
Depends on which part of the US you are in.
South = plug up
North = plug in
| 716 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:03:23pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
i'd rather turn all my lights on in a big two-fingered gesture at the ecofascists who want to bring back communism and control every aspect of our lives.
i've had enough of it.
western civilisation is literally going insane with this climate change garbage...
| 717 |
DEZes Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:03:26pm |
re: #706 albusteve
3g of ram?...yowza!...I have 2
I am built this rig for 2 reasons, artwork and gaming.
Gonna go gaming for a while, bbl all.
| 718 |
SixDegrees Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:03:28pm |
re: #141 NonNativeTexan
A Bishop was on the panel,
so give the man a break.
Tom Karl, Director of the National Climatic Data Center, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
John Stephenson, Director of Natural Resources and Environment, Government Accountability Office
Bishop Callon Holloway, Evangelical Lutheran Church in American, On Behalf of the National Council of Churches
Larry Schweiger, President and CEO, National Wildlife Federation
David Waskow, Climate Change Program Director, Oxfam American
E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., National Spokesman, The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
Lord Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Adviser, Science and Public Policy Institute
I don't see where the Bishop said anything even remotely so stupid.
| 719 |
DoesNotMatter Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:04:23pm |
Well, replace "god" with "statistics" and "end" with "a kilometre long chunk of rock we're long overdue for" and change "world" to "annihilating upwards of 90 percent of earth current species" and man is this close to being right.
He is also an religious nut, but, as brocken clocks are wont to be, he is right.
Statistics indicate that we, as a species, should see to secure passage from this doomed rock. Have we archieved that we are not only more safe (We could still do ourselves in) from extinction we are also most likely able to prevent any large chunks of rock hitting earth.
And which efforts to preserve the planet might actually be worthwhile on a large scale (Zoos would be small scale) since the planet would actually be around long enough for the effort to take root.
| 720 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:05:24pm |
re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't recall seeing you comment around here lately. Glad to see you back. Hope to talk about mathematics with you again soon ;)
| 721 |
Sheepdogess Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:05:33pm |
OT - Biden's Daughter taped this year by her BF snorting coke.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]
| 722 |
Edouard Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:05:40pm |
I have work to do, for which I will be compensated, at 8:30 pm Pacific time tonight.
Working for a living, IMO, is a far more beneficial action for a person to do for his or her country than to engage in the sophomoric and entirely useless gesture of turning the damn lights off in fear of "global warming".
| 723 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:05:51pm |
re: #273 debutaunt
Backing up the BS with SNL links, I guess.
Who wants to tell SpaceJesus that SNL isn't a news show?
| 724 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:06:14pm |
re: #689 Catttt
I did that before, but now I have two Gateways, which I like. I also have the insurance, because I tend to break stuff.
That is why I like books, you can drop em a lot, spill liquids on
em, still read em
| 725 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:06:22pm |
re: #720 Basho
I don't recall seeing you comment around here lately. Glad to see you back. Hope to talk about mathematics with you again soon ;)
Hope to be somewhere else while you do it.
| 726 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:06:52pm |
re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually, the light's out thing is kind of funny.
Turn off the lights, sit around for an hour, wondering when you can turn the lights back on.
Seems pretty fruitless to me.
Sit around for an hour in the dark wondering? Babies by the millions will be born exactly nine months from tonight! Not fruitless.
| 728 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:07:15pm |
re: #715 Wishing
Depends on which part of the US you are in.
South = plug up
North = plug in
Hey, I learned something! Thanks!
Now I can go home.
Bye!
| 729 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:07:45pm |
re: #704 Killgore Trout
I'm going to be submitting my recipe for homemade Udon for the next cookbook. Real homemade noodles from scratch. I'm not sure how many people would be interested in it but keep an eye out in case it makes the cut.
I would. My wife wants to start making homemade noodles.
| 730 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:08:11pm |
re: #721 Sheepdogess
OT - Biden's Daughter taped this year by her BF snorting coke.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]
I'm going into the look alike vice business....I'm gonna make a fortune then split to Costa Rica...
| 731 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:08:49pm |
At my house the lights are always on. It's a leftover from many cold, dark Alaskan nights and it's a symbol of affirmation. Heat and light are life, cold and dark are death. My lights are always on, and my house stands out from those of my penurious neighbors in Kansas.
| 732 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:09:12pm |
re: #721 Sheepdogess
That is wrong. Leave the kids alone.
| 733 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:09:35pm |
re: #567 Killian Bundy
/just wait until you're forced to install a mandatory "smart meter" that will eventually be used to ration your energy use for the "common good"
I've had one of those 'smart meters' on my central air for 10 years. It allows the power company to turn it on and off for a few minutes in different areas to balance peak loads. The house has never changed temperature that I noticed, and I get a discount on my power.
| 734 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:10:26pm |
re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is wrong. Leave the kids alone.
I agree....I've no patience for that shit whatsoever
| 735 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:10:49pm |
re: #733 avanti
I've had one of those 'smart meters' on my central air for 10 years. It allows the power company to turn it on and off for a few minutes in different areas to balance peak loads. The house has never changed temperature that I noticed, and I get a discount on my power.
I have an SOB meter....everytime I open my bill from June to September, I curse the SOB that read my meter!
| 736 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:11:24pm |
re: #721 Sheepdogess
OT - Biden's Daughter taped this year by her BF snorting coke.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]
cant help wondering that if drugs were legalised this wouldnt be an issue.
i mean , you wouldnt get "scandal" video bidding wars over her having a glass of beer.
| 737 |
SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:11:35pm |
I leave for a while and now my karma is back down to 990?
who wants to talk about homeschooling?
| 738 |
LGoPs Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:11:43pm |
re: #716 buzzdroid
i'd rather turn all my lights on in a big two-fingered gesture at the ecofascists who want to bring back communism and control every aspect of our lives.
i've had enough of it.western civilisation is literally going insane with this climate change garbage...
The debate certainly is not over.........if anything it should just be starting. The ones that claim it's over are the typical shallow liberals who can't engage in argument and need to immediately cut off debate by calling us names, like racist. They just haven't figured out one that applies to GW yet. Maybe they can call us tempaturists or something like that....
/
| 739 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:11:51pm |
re: #733 avanti
I've had one of those 'smart meters' on my central air for 10 years. It allows the power company to turn it on and off for a few minutes in different areas to balance peak loads. The house has never changed temperature that I noticed, and I get a discount on my power.
maybe they could attach one to your brain...power you up then shut you off accordingly...call them and see
| 740 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:12:18pm |
I am unfortunately going to have to type something and then run for a bit.
I do wish to leave some thoughts though.
1. Forget about AGW for a moment, using less power and trying to keep the environment clean has merit in it's own right if only because you are making the nation less dependent on foreign sources of energy, conserving your money - oh and making it so that your kids have things like clean air and water - so they will do such crazy moonbat things as live longer healthier lives.
2. Forget about all of the hype that the liberal media pumps into shoddy reporting about AGW, climate change is still real. Deforestation is real. Destruction of habitats from construction and deforestation is real. Perhaps it is a moonbat idea, but I would like it if my kids had things like tigers and dolphins in the world with them.
3. Forget about all of the negative images of hippies for a minute. I hate seeing garbage on my streets. It is not such a bad thing to recycle or to live in a plce that does not look like a sewer.
Sorry to offend anyone, but actually not shitting where you live is a good idea.
| 741 |
lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:12:21pm |
re: #699 SixDegrees
It does, indeed. Right there in Genesis, too:
"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."
"serve the garden in which we have been placed"
both from Genesis 2:15.
A lot of Fundamentalist whacks thing that environmentalism is wrong because it is based on Godless rationalism - science, in this case. Others think it simply doesn't matter, because the earth is doomed anyway, so it's fine to treat it like a toilet, despite God's admonitions against doing so.
There are certainly arguments to be made against a lot of environmental precepts. Trying to combat them with mumbo-jumbo, however, seems like a strategy devised by the Left in order to make those uttering it seem like fools, which Representative Shimkus certainly succeeds at.
C.S. Lewis' "Perelandra" makes the point that free will is not free-will-but-with-training -wheels. It's the real thing, all the way. We can screw it up as bad as we decide, if we so decide. We can kill each other with sticks and stones and knives and atomic bombs, and God won't step in and take away the free will and make us be nice. And we can make a mess of the earth, defying both prudence (and divine injunction if you're a believer), and still, God won't step in and take away our free will.
And we can get it right, and enjoy the fruits.
| 742 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:12:28pm |
re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is wrong. Leave the kids alone.
Children are off limits.
This type of stuff should not be in public discourse. They are usually
not public figures.
| 743 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:12:32pm |
The energy spent advertising and promoting "Earth Hour" probably meets or exceeds what ever energy is "saved" from "Earth Hour."
| 744 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:12:35pm |
re: #724 NonNativeTexan
That is why I like books, you can drop em a lot, spill liquids on
em, still read em
It depends. Sometimes I wonder if I keep my books in too good of condition. Why dog-ear pages when I have perfectly viable bookmarks lying on my desk?
| 746 |
Dreader1962 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:13:02pm |
re: #642 Salamantis
Sundays were excepted because folks then, like folks now, traditionally took Sundays off. Although the practice was rooted in millennia-old Christian observance, even back then a lot of people used their day off for many other leisure activities besides religious observance, so the mention was meant to recognize that traditional day off that people put to whatever religious or secular use they desired.
Exactly - what LesLein is proposing would be like proposing that my company wants me to be both Jewish and Christian because they are closed for business on Saturday and Sunday.
| 747 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:13:08pm |
| 748 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:13:20pm |
re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is wrong. Leave the kids alone.
i would agree. that sort of crap wont encourage folks to enter politics - and god knows, we could do with some talent at the top right now.
| 749 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:13:46pm |
re: #449 Killgore Trout
I see both Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds are both promoting Human Achievement Hour. Maybe wasting energy just because liberals want to save it is not an idea conservatives should embrace. It's wasteful, reactionary and pointless. Not very "conservative".
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
| 750 |
Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:14:51pm |
re: #677 albusteve
I was out and about today and Mt Taylor still has alot of snow...and looking up to Santa Fe looks pretty snowy as well....the river is topped off and everything looks good so far down here...still alot of snow up in CO too...
Precipitation's been about average for the year so the rafting companies are all happy. Cuts down on the fire danger as well.
| 751 |
debutaunt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:14:54pm |
re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
Have you considered some really kick-ass lights?
| 752 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:14:54pm |
re: #729 NonNativeTexan
I would. My wife wants to start making homemade noodles.
I haven't tried this method in a long time......
Maybe I'll give it a shot again tonight but I don't anticipate success.
| 753 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:15:20pm |
re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
well you just tell the world then....shout it from your rooftop
| 754 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:15:36pm |
re: #740 LudwigVanQuixote
Sorry to offend anyone, but actually not shitting where you live is a good idea.
Anyone who would claim offense at that post has a rather rabid, stupid monkey up their butt.
/I'm offended :0
| 755 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:16:29pm |
re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
The left is all into symbolism over substance, why shouldn't we throw a little symbolism back in their face?
| 756 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:16:31pm |
re: #743 Gus 802
The energy spent advertising and promoting "Earth Hour" probably meets or exceeds what ever energy is "saved" from "Earth Hour."
Flying around all over the world in your private jet, and then you and your "posse" getting limo-ed from one event to another, and leaving your heat blasting in the winter and a/c blasting in the summer in your mansion is also not a good way to promote "Earth Hour" either.
| 757 |
Benschachar Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:16:52pm |
How about this, then: doomsday scenarios have a 0% rate of occurence.
| 758 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:02pm |
re: #740 LudwigVanQuixote
I wouldn't be nearly the asshole about it, if the argument was phrased the way you phrased it.
Well said.
| 759 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:11pm |
re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
Sorry, I'm not on board with this at all. It's foolish to waste resources for no reason, and it makes conservatives look like boorish hypocrites in my opinion.
| 760 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:23pm |
This is going to be a branches cracking night ... the snow's still falling here, heavy and wet.
| 761 |
Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:37pm |
re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon
No, actually it's a form of protest, a way of telling the world that we haven't drunk the Goracle's Kool-Ade.
Simply failing to extinguish one's lights is too passive.
Gee, but don't you know you're a scientific illiterate if you don't believe algore?
/
| 762 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:49pm |
re: #756 Desert Dog
Flying around all over the world in your private jet, and then you and your "posse" getting limo-ed from one event to another, and leaving your heat blasting in the winter and a/c blasting in the summer in your mansion is also not a good way to promote "Earth Hour" either.
Sounds like Algore!
| 763 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:56pm |
re: #740 LudwigVanQuixote
I am unfortunately going to have to type something and then run for a bit.
I do wish to leave some thoughts though.
1. Forget about AGW for a moment, using less power and trying to keep the environment clean has merit in it's own right if only because you are making the nation less dependent on foreign sources of energy, conserving your money - oh and making it so that your kids have things like clean air and water - so they will do such crazy moonbat things as live longer healthier lives.
2. Forget about all of the hype that the liberal media pumps into shoddy reporting about AGW, climate change is still real. Deforestation is real. Destruction of habitats from construction and deforestation is real. Perhaps it is a moonbat idea, but I would like it if my kids had things like tigers and dolphins in the world with them.
3. Forget about all of the negative images of hippies for a minute. I hate seeing garbage on my streets. It is not such a bad thing to recycle or to live in a plce that does not look like a sewer.
Sorry to offend anyone, but actually not shitting where you live is a good idea.
i dont disagree with anything you have said. all very sensible.
my problem with the ecofascists is not the "eco" bit - its the very strong "fascist" element.
the communists havent gone away - they've just changed their colour from red to green. THATS what i have a problem with.
| 764 |
Sheepdogess Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:17:56pm |
She was engaging in criminal behavior. What kind of message does this send?
The woman on the tape clearly resembles Ashley Biden, 27, who is a social worker employed with the Delaware Department of Children, Youth and Families. She is also a board member of the Delaware YWCA organization.
Whatever.
| 765 |
Dreader1962 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:18:01pm |
re: #686 Mr. In get Mr. Out
I had an Apple II for a few years, then was burned by the 'upgrade' to the Apple IIGS.
Damn, I'm old...
| 766 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:18:03pm |
| 767 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:18:31pm |
re: #740 LudwigVanQuixote
I am unfortunately going to have to type something and then run for a bit.
I do wish to leave some thoughts though.
1. Forget about AGW for a moment, using less power and trying to keep the environment clean has merit in it's own right if only because you are making the nation less dependent on foreign sources of energy, conserving your money - oh and making it so that your kids have things like clean air and water - so they will do such crazy moonbat things as live longer healthier lives.
2. Forget about all of the hype that the liberal media pumps into shoddy reporting about AGW, climate change is still real. Deforestation is real. Destruction of habitats from construction and deforestation is real. Perhaps it is a moonbat idea, but I would like it if my kids had things like tigers and dolphins in the world with them.
3. Forget about all of the negative images of hippies for a minute. I hate seeing garbage on my streets. It is not such a bad thing to recycle or to live in a plce that does not look like a sewer.
Sorry to offend anyone, but actually not shitting where you live is a good idea.
I'm easily offend, so I take offense! I want a law to protect me being offended! Especially by someone who is reasonable and makes sense!
| 768 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:18:47pm |
re: #752 Killgore Trout
That is impressive. Figure we'll have to buy a machine.
| 769 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:19:14pm |
re: #764 Sheepdogess
She was engaging in criminal behavior. What kind of message does this send?
Whatever.
Um, there is no proof yet that it was Biden's daughter. Best to wait a bit.
| 770 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:19:24pm |
re: #767 jcm
I am not going to help you with that monkey, so don't ask. :)
| 771 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:19:41pm |
Al Gore is goin down...he cannot save himself...he may have alot of money but he will have no pride, no honor or any credibility...bet on it
| 772 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:19:45pm |
re: #766 Desert Dog
Get your generator ready
We are on the grid with a hospital, our power's never been out longer than five minutes in the 15 years we've been here. (good planning to live by a hospital, also good planning to live on the hospital grid)
| 773 |
LGoPs Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:20:08pm |
re: #767 jcm
I'm easily offend, so I take offense! I want a law to protect me being offended! Especially by someone who is reasonable and makes sense!
And I'm offended that you're offended. We need a corollary law that takes care of my offense as well.......
/
| 774 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:20:59pm |
re: #764 Sheepdogess
She was engaging in criminal behavior. What kind of message does this send?
Whatever.
you don't know that...beware the kool aid
| 775 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:17pm |
re: #441 ploome hineni
AethesimCynicism, the certainty that being happy is doing something considered sinful by religionmoi
Gosh, one might get the idea that you are offended when puritanism is attacked. Is puritanism a good thing? Or is it a relic of humanities past ignorance and completely incompatible with contemporary Western society?
| 776 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:21pm |
re: #772 Thanos
We are on the grid with a hospital, our power's never been out longer than five minutes in the 15 years we've been here. (good planning to live by a hospital, also good planning to live on the hospital grid)
When I lived in Colorado, we always had that generator ready to go when the snow was falling in the spring. You are lucky to live in that grid.
| 777 |
Who Watches the Watchmen? Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:41pm |
I'm keeping the lights on that I would normally have on at 8:30 p.m. I don't feel the need to run up my electric bill as a counter-protest.
| 778 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:46pm |
Well time to go pick up some:
Alcohol
Tobacco
Food
Burn up some gasoline and give 2 dollars to the SCHIP fund while picking up some beef products.
bbl
| 779 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:50pm |
re: #759 Charles
Sorry, I'm not on board with this at all. It's foolish to waste resources for no reason, and it makes conservatives look like boorish hypocrites in my opinion.
And it follows a familiar trend these days. The right reacting to what the left does by saying "no" rather than offering reasoned opposition and ideas. This kind of thing just does not resonate well with those who are not predispositioned to hear it.
| 780 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:50pm |
via freerepublic
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
posted on Sat 28 Mar 2009 18:37:47 BST by sten
i bet turning off all those televisions will do wonders for the ad revenue for all those channels across the 250 or so nielsen markets during prime time.
hmmm... off the top of my head:
typical commercial cost for 30 seconds per market: $5000
number of commercials per break: 6
ad revenue per channel per break: $30,000
number of breaks: 5
total ad revenue per one hour show per channel: $150,000
average number of active channels: 50
average ad revenue per market per hour: $7.5m
number of markets: 250
total ad revenue lost: $1.9 billion (est)
hmmm. let’s compare to how much the electricity costs.
average monthly electric bill: $73
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]
average yearly expense: $876
average daily expense: $2.46
average hourly expense: $0.10
number of homes in America: 110m
electricity cost to light all American homes for one hour: $11m
so... in typical liberal fashion where they never think of the consequences of their actions... the net LOSS as a result of this boondoggle is roughly:
$1.88 BILLION dollars
nice work libtards. no wonder the majority of you barely make minimum wage.
| 781 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:21:53pm |
Gotta go guys... My lizard queen and I have a date!
| 782 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:23:19pm |
re: #759 Charles
boorish hypocrites
Crap. Why couldn't I have thought of that when I was in my teens - what a name for a garage band!
| 783 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:23:23pm |
re: #470 Charles
I agree. I'm not down with this at all. Promoting wasteful energy consumption just to stick a thumb in the eye of environmentalists is childish.
i'm going to put all my lights on. the statement this makes is worth it to
me. it won't cost that much, it's only for an hour,
plus w/ all them turning theirs off, there will still be a lot less energy used.
i just can't take it anymore. the inane shenanigans of these fools is too much.
i just want to make a statement that i'm not falling for their b.s.
next thing you know, they will be showing up w/ the 'smart meters'
i guess i'm speaking up by lighting up.
| 784 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:23:40pm |
re: #776 Desert Dog
When I lived in Colorado, we always had that generator ready to go when the snow was falling in the spring. You are lucky to live in that grid.
Yes always good to be prepared. I've got the storm lamps and flashlights, but no generator. When we lived in Alaska, I did have a generator.
| 785 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:23:56pm |
re: #773 LGoPs
And I'm offended that you're offended. We need a corollary law that takes care of my offense as well.......
/
I suggest you both start a class action lawsuit against one another and sue the crap out of yourselves? But, if you do that, I will be offended and will be forced to sue both of you because I will be offended by the fact that you are offended by being offended. /
What is sad about this situation is it is not too far from the reality of tort law in the USA today
| 786 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:24:15pm |
re: #773 LGoPs
And I'm offended that you're offended. We need a corollary law that takes care of my offense as well.......
/
The perpetually offended of the World Unite....
ahh, unless you are offended of course!
| 787 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:24:33pm |
re: #764 Sheepdogess
And so are thousands of kids (and adults), it is only newsworthy as an embarrassment to her parents.
I dislike Biden more than the next guy. I have an 18 year old daughter who, if I found out she was doing drugs, would present enough problems to me to deal with without having to be concerned about the press/paparazzi focused on destroying her life further so as to visit her mistakes upon me.
Enjoy the story, if you wish. I will try to ignore it.
| 788 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:24:38pm |
more from freerepublic:
In celebration of “earth hour” the 82nd ABN 1/508th BN, Bravo Company, Alfa Platoon, will be turning on massive search lights that will eat up hundreds of thousands of watts of electricity!
Do your part and stand strong America and turn on all your lights for two (2) hours tonight!
34 posted on Sat 28 Mar 2009 19:08:39 BST by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses)
| 789 |
redc1c4 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:25:34pm |
re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is wrong. Leave the kids alone.
just like they did the Bush girls, right?
| 790 |
yesandno Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:25:47pm |
re: #733 avanti
I've had one of those 'smart meters' on my central air for 10 years. It allows the power company to turn it on and off for a few minutes in different areas to balance peak loads. The house has never changed temperature that I noticed, and I get a discount on my power.
Had one on my power for a long time as well. But we chose to do it. It wasn't mandatory.
That is the problem with the rest of this stuff.
| 791 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:26:29pm |
re: #768 NonNativeTexan
That is impressive. Figure we'll have to buy a machine.
You can do it easily by hand with no special tools. Here's where I learned: Udon noodles. Note: they label it "wheat flour" to differentiate from rice flour. It isn't what we call "whole wheat" flour. Just regular white flour is what they're using.
I've owned the automated machines before. Although they will get you addicted to fresh noodles they really aren't very functional and they won't last long.
I highly recommend the Atlas Pasta machine. It's hand operated and easy to clean. It will last a lifetime if you properly care for it. Mine never leaves the countertop. I use is almost every week.
| 792 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:26:30pm |
re: #784 Thanos
Yes always good to be prepared. I've got the storm lamps and flashlights, but no generator. When we lived in Alaska, I did have a generator.
Living in earthquake country we're ready to go six weeks with no power. Camp stoves, plenty of propane and can goods, water and basics.
| 793 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:26:47pm |
re: #789 redc1c4
just like they did the Bush girls, right?
it's wrong...there is no more to it unless you have a playground mentality
| 794 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:26:59pm |
re: #789 redc1c4
Two wrongs do not make one wronger.
| 795 |
Sheepdogess Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:27:04pm |
re: #780 buzzdroid
Hey, I think it's an effective way to find out who all the libtards are in my neighborhood, or for them to find out who isn't "on board".
| 796 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:27:53pm |
re: #792 jcm
Living in earthquake country we're ready to go six weeks with no power. Camp stoves, plenty of propane and can goods, water and basics.
got plenty of Beef-O-Roni?
| 797 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:28:07pm |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
Thanks KT, I'll check it out.
| 798 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:28:22pm |
re: #795 Sheepdogess
Hey, I think it's an effective way to find out who all the libtards are in my neighborhood, or for them to find out who isn't "on board".
I think that all it will do is show who who may not be at home or might be in another room.
| 799 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:28:26pm |
re: #703 redc1c4
i'm gonna run everything i can find to turn on, except power tools....
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.
I'm turning off a few lights because I trust the science, but no better then to debate it with the right because the science is trumped by the politics.
| 800 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:28:31pm |
re: #787 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And so are thousands of kids (and adults), it is only newsworthy as an embarrassment to her parents.
I dislike Biden more than the next guy. I have an 18 year old daughter who, if I found out she was doing drugs, would present enough problems to me to deal with without having to be concerned about the press/paparazzi focused on destroying her life further so as to visit her mistakes upon me.
Enjoy the story, if you wish. I will try to ignore it.
I won't say anything against Biden's daughter either (if the story should turn out to be true), and of course the people who ranted long and loud about Palin's poor parenting will be as quiet as mice also.
| 801 |
pink freud Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:29:11pm |
re: #793 albusteve
Drudge has now got it running top left.
| 802 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:29:16pm |
"Earth Hour" is sheer symbolic idiocy and to a large degree, I'm sure, hypocrisy. It's meant for the sheeple, not the elites who push it.
| 803 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:29:50pm |
re: #796 albusteve
got plenty of Beef-O-Roni?
LOL! Lots and lots of beans.... don't want the neighbors hanging around....
| 804 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:30:02pm |
OK Lizardim -
It is 8:30 EDST here in Asbury Park, NJ. "Earth Hour" has begun. Ha-Shem purportedly said "Va-Ya-Hee Or - Let There Be Light." The UN says "Let There be Darkness." Every Light in My Place is Now ON - My vote is for Ha-Shem. That is all.
-S-
| 805 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:30:16pm |
| 806 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:31:12pm |
re: #763 buzzdroid
i dont disagree with anything you have said. all very sensible.
my problem with the ecofascists is not the "eco" bit - its the very strong "fascist" element.the communists havent gone away - they've just changed their colour from red to green. THATS what i have a problem with.
Watemelons.
| 807 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:31:24pm |
re: #799 avanti
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.I'm turning off a few lights because I trust the science, but no better then to debate it with the right because the science is trumped by the politics.
Let's see your science.
| 808 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:31:31pm |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
Just spent 70 bucks. I'll let you know how we like it.
Thanks,
| 809 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:31:35pm |
re: #795 Sheepdogess
Hey, I think it's an effective way to find out who all the libtards are in my neighborhood, or for them to find out who isn't "on board".
there was some interesting tweets on twitter earlier about entire neighbourhoods doing "earth hour".
nothing like a bit of Stasi like peer pressure , eh?
| 810 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:31:39pm |
| 812 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:32:41pm |
re: #788 buzzdroid
more from freerepublic:
In celebration of “earth hour” the 82nd ABN 1/508th BN, Bravo Company, Alfa Platoon, will be turning on massive search lights that will eat up hundreds of thousands of watts of electricity!
Do your part and stand strong America and turn on all your lights for two (2) hours tonight!
34 posted on Sat 28 Mar 2009 19:08:39 BST by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses)
I can just smell the testosterone.
| 813 |
redc1c4 Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:33:27pm |
re: #793 albusteve
it's wrong...there is no more to it unless you have a playground mentality
i was pointing out the hypocrisy, since we all know this story will go straight to the spike.
| 814 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:33:47pm |
re: #799 avanti
What I object to is if I don't kowtow to the socialist chicken little enivrowhackos the world will end.
| 815 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:33:59pm |
Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.
/disclaimer: WHA actually hated this poem after retrospection, he removed two stanzas and sometimes refused permission to publish it in collections...
| 816 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:34:10pm |
re: #805 Wishing
The parent chose to be in the spotlight, the 'kid' didn't, no matter its age.
That said, if your parent is in the spotlight, you might want to make sure that anything you do outside of your locked home with the shades drawn, isn't anything you'd mind having splashed on the front page of a newspaper - especially if you're old enough to know better.
| 817 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:34:17pm |
so Bidens daughter snorts coke...so what...who could give a shit...there is a vindictive nature to this stuff that I will rise above...it means nothing in the big picture...people that are taken with these types of stories have a morbid celebrity curiosity I find distasteful....so go for it and trumpet someone elses misery if it makes you feel better
| 818 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:34:20pm |
re: #812 MandyManners
I can just smell the testosterone.
Mass burnout aint the answer. Sticking a voice of commonsense in .. however is. This green fairy movement needs to stop now because its causing more damage than good.
| 819 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:34:51pm |
re: #761 Wendya
Gee, but don't you know you're a scientific illiterate if you don't believe algore?
/
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
| 820 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:35:21pm |
To be honest, because of the price of fuel, myself and Mr Wishing have been cutting back for months on energy consumption. We closed down the sun room, wont use it again until 70 temps, we use only florescent lights etc. Earth Day is just another day at the Wishing household.
| 821 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:35:22pm |
See!
Look at how wasteful those evil capitalist Republicans are! They turned ON all their lights!
They are to blame for all our problems!
Burn them!
/
| 822 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:01pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
It must be hard to think straight when you are that full of crap.
| 823 |
idioma Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:21pm |
Does anyone here still want to argue that the GOP is NOT pushing for their own brand of Sharia law? This conjoined twin needs to be separated from it's blind/retarded sibling fast.
| 824 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:37pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
might?...wtf?....do you just make this stuff up?
| 825 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:37pm |
| 826 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:41pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
There you go with that science stuff again....I wanna see it.
| 827 |
rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:36:48pm |
Hey, I read the Thomas Jefferson bible site, albeit in a cursory manner. I see much reason there.
Reason, thy name is Jefferson.
Do I think it makes him less of a Christian?
It does not matter what I think.
For, ever since Jesus's time, his adherents and followers have done nothing but separate themselves in to ever more numerous splinter groups, in which some call the others apostates, and others, true believers.
Been that way for 2000 years or more. I don't think it will change.
| 828 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:37:23pm |
re: #813 redc1c4
i was pointing out the hypocrisy, since we all know this story will go straight to the spike.
I hope so...it is a dead end
| 829 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:37:49pm |
re: #551 Racer X
Poking a finger in the eye of liberals by being wasteful of energy and resources will bite us in the ass.
I don't see how but I'm going to simply ignore it and carry on as usual.
| 830 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:37:56pm |
re: #517 WhiteRasta
A quick Straw Poll:
What is the Lizard Nation doing to celebrate Human Achievement Hour?
Personally, I'm going to cook some red meat, drink beer and turn on all the lights.....
Well, I'm at a wellsite right now, where we are drilling for some of that nasty, planet-choking natural gas that we sell to California so that they can run their lamps and their air conditioners. Everything here runs on Diesel fuel, including the genset that powers my lights, my PC, and the satellite dish that provides my Internet connection.
And there really aren't any Global Warming cultists here on location, or nearby, to whom I can give a metaphorical finger by conspicuously using energy. So why bother? If I were in a city, and had a number of the AGW cultists in the neighborhood, I would run a bunch of extra lights, and maybe idle my truck for an hour. I'd be expending that energy to make a political statement, which means that it is not really being wasted. It may not convert others to my cause, but it lets them know, in no uncertain way, that they haven't converted me.
For the record, I don't believe the science is "settled". If it were, we wouldn't be having this debate. I think the physics regarding the absorption and re-radiation of infrared energy by CO2 is well-established, but that the climate alarmists have vastly over-estimated the magnitude of its effect, at the same time as they have vastly under-estimated the effect of changes in the Sun's energy output, and of cyclical changes in Earth's orbit.
| 831 |
Luigi Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:38:29pm |
Check the first cartoon...
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
| 832 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:38:49pm |
| 833 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:38:51pm |
re: #551 Racer X
Poking a finger in the eye of liberals by being wasteful of energy and resources will bite us in the ass.
Dont you just loooove Republican foreplay?
| 834 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:38:56pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
because the science is flawed and inaccurate and manipulated for political ends when it comes to AGW.
i would suggest that you start reading this blog:
[Link: antigreen.blogspot.com...]
| 835 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:12pm |
As a fiscal conservative, why would I want to intentionally increase my electric bill? I only hurt myself by turning everything on.
| 836 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:17pm |
re: #823 idioma
Does anyone here still want to argue that the GOP is NOT pushing for their own brand of Sharia law? This conjoined twin needs to be separated from it's blind/retarded sibling fast.
the GOP?...nonsense...get a grip
| 837 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:25pm |
re: #799 avanti
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.I'm turning off a few lights because I trust the science, but no better then to debate it with the right because the science is trumped by the politics.
or
5.The earth goes through cooling and heating cycles and there is very little we can do to stop it either way. BUT, it's a good idea to use power wisely and not pollute the planet in the process. By hurting developing countries and punishing industrialized countries (the USA, Europe, but not India or China), so called "eco-logist" do more harm than good.
I embrace not wasting power, I reject power grabs by idiots with BS science and chicken little scenarios.
| 838 |
MarineMomSue Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:25pm |
re: #627 Lincolntf
Is this Earth hour at 8:30 PM no matter where you are? I have a few moonbat neighbors (well, one is definite and there are a couple of other suspects).
I'll be curious to see if they cut out their lights at the appointed hour.
Observe them carefully, Linc, some of these moonbat types might try to fake it by using blackout curtains. :)
| 839 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:28pm |
re: #799 avanti
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.I'm turning off a few lights because I trust the science, but no better then to debate it with the right because the science is trumped by the politics.
What? Agree with ME or you are a creationist? So now 3 and 4 are creationalisticisms. Have I got that right?
| 840 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:50pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
AGW Science?
Like Hanson's faked numbers.
Like Mann's fraudulent hockey stick?
| 841 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:39:52pm |
wow, it's so bright.
i like it better w/ candles.
can't wait till 9 o'clock.
| 842 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:40:20pm |
re: #9 pious agnostic
Hey, the world is ending in 2012 when Planet X crashes in the the Earth! That's the real reason we don't have to worry about Global Warming!
You mean this Planet X?
| 843 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:40:22pm |
| 844 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:40:23pm |
re: #808 NonNativeTexan
Sweet! you'll love it. Read the care instructions. Clean with a dry paper towel (no water). It will take a few tries to get the consistency of the dough right and it takes a little coordination but it's worth the effort and you can make a batch of noodles pretty quick once you get the hang of it. Enjoy.
| 845 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:40:41pm |
re: #835 Sharmuta
As a fiscal conservative, why would I want to intentionally increase my electric bill? I only hurt myself by turning everything on.
wheat/chaff...which is which?
| 846 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:40:45pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
| 847 |
Luigi Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:41:08pm |
Obama, welcome to Europe. Now go home.
“I will not let anyone tell me that we must spend more money,” she said.
Barack's plan to use the presidency as a stepping stone to Master of the Universe has been temporarily put on hold.
| 849 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:41:42pm |
re: #837 Desert Dog
or
5.The earth goes through cooling and heating cycles and there is very little we can do to stop it either way. BUT, it's a good idea to use power wisely and not pollute the planet in the process. By hurting developing countries and punishing industrialized countries (the USA, Europe, but not India or China), so called "eco-logist" do more harm than good.
I embrace not wasting power, I reject power grabs by idiots with BS science and chicken little scenarios.
ding ding ding ding!
We have a winner!
| 850 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:02pm |
re: #820 Wishing
I've really been tightening my belt these days too.
| 851 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:14pm |
re: #807 BignJames
Let's see your science.
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute. Every bit of proof I'd come up with on climate change would disputed by a link to a non peer reviewed study by someone not in the field. I'm not any more likely to convince a global warming skeptic, then I could a creationist.
| 852 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:24pm |
| 853 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:39pm |
re: #844 Killgore Trout
I do like the manual stuff if feasible, no motors to burn out.
| 854 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:41pm |
re: #704 Killgore Trout
I'm going to be submitting my recipe for homemade Udon for the next cookbook. Real homemade noodles from scratch. I'm not sure how many people would be interested in it but keep an eye out in case it makes the cut.
Believe it or not, in my cooking days I made pasta from scratch. It was tasty.
| 855 |
buzzdroid Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:43pm |
| 856 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:42:56pm |
re: #627 Lincolntf
Is this Earth hour at 8:30 PM no matter where you are? I have a few moonbat neighbors (well, one is definite and there are a couple of other suspects).
I'll be curious to see if they cut out their lights at the appointed hour.
Yes, local time. No sense following eastern time lights out at 8:30 if you're on the west coast and it's 5:30. Nobody would be able to see your statement if it's not dark yet. Isn't it all about the statement?
| 857 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:43:14pm |
re: #823 idioma
Oh ye attractor of negative emmissions of naysayer goodwill. I say to thee BEGONE and henceforth until time doest end ... nevermore will I skilter on the reckonings of thy musings.
| 858 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:43:21pm |
| 859 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:43:39pm |
re: #851 avanti
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute. Every bit of proof I'd come up with on climate change would disputed by a link to a non peer reviewed study by someone not in the field. I'm not any more likely to convince a global warming skeptic, then I could a creationist.
in simple terms how to you reconcile the Earth is not warming?
| 860 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:43:54pm |
re: #846 Sharmuta
...and there was a disturbance in the Farce™, as if a million carbon offset credits suddenly cried out in unison:
SUCKER!
| 861 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:44:01pm |
re: #851 avanti
Why don't you just start w/ the IPCC report and we'll go from there?
| 862 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:44:02pm |
re: #859 albusteve
in simple terms how to you reconcile the Earth is not warming?
That's cause by global warming.... duh!
| 863 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:44:12pm |
re: #854 Catttt
We were just doing some pasta talk. I just talked Wishing into buying and Atlas hand cranked pasta roller.
| 864 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:44:17pm |
Been away from the keyboard for a while, but I just took a look outside. Moonbat #! has his house lit up like a Christmas tree. The rest of the neighbors seem to all be using juice, too.
Any "energy-use" wizards on here? I'm curious about something:
How many internet users equal one car idling in the driveway (or some other analog for energy consumption)?
What I mean is, if we take for granted that power plants produce waste that harms the Earth, and all computers use juice from power plants, then how much pollution is produced by say 100 Daily Kos (or LGF users or Sierra Club Members, for that matter) users? Equal to one car? Equal to one lightbulb? There must be a table out there that can help answer this, but I have no idea how to find one.
| 865 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:44:50pm |
re: #858 jcm
That's a full circle that makes the brain hurt.
You bet your sweet bippy it does!
It seems to me that al gore is not the weapon those who wield him think he is.
| 866 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:45:10pm |
re: #18 spacejesus
lol what
According to wikipedia, Illinois Congressman John Shimkus' PAC contributed money to Tom Delay. Guess which state he's from.
This possible conspiracy may warrant a "lol texas". Further investigation needed...
| 868 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:45:17pm |
re: #851 avanti
Avanti, the guy you are trusting to give you *peer reviewed* facts is Al Gore who is also a creationist. Why don't you trust him regarding creationism.?Are you SURE he gets his facts right?
| 869 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:45:40pm |
re: #635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Anybody seen the new "Microsoft" commercial. Lady trying to buy a laptop with a 17" screen, number pad, etc. for under 1,000.00. Goes to the Apple store, comes out, says, "Guess I can't afford to be cool enough to be a Mac person."
Pretty effective ad, IMHO.
I just bought a $350 Netbook. As long as my eyes hold out for the 10 inch screen, what else do I need? 1G Ram, 160 Gb HD, wireless, 7 hours battery and more.
All this is better than the 5 year old dinosaur I retired and spent over $1000 on then.
| 870 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:45:46pm |
re: #851 avanti
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute. Every bit of proof I'd come up with on climate change would disputed by a link to a non peer reviewed study by someone not in the field. I'm not any more likely to convince a global warming skeptic, then I could a creationist.
So how come alGore does not practice what he preaches? Hmmmm?
And how come he is making tons of money by selling carbon offset credits?
| 871 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:45:56pm |
re: #835 Sharmuta
As a fiscal conservative, why would I want to intentionally increase my electric bill? I only hurt myself by turning everything on.
not for just an hour. the increase will be nominal.
i do feel a bit guilty for being so defiant. but i'm in for the whole hour.
i know all my friends are stumbling around in the dark. lol
| 872 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:46:04pm |
Airport 1975 is on AMC. The little plane is about to hit the big plane.
| 873 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:46:14pm |
| 874 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:46:38pm |
re: #835 Sharmuta
As a fiscal conservative, why would I want to intentionally increase my electric bill? I only hurt myself by turning everything on.
Sharmuta -
Read and understood - I am the same - use florescent and cfl's in most applications and turn them off when not in use. The Point Is - I REFUSE to be Dictated To - AND - Do This to Protest the Taxes the UN Bureaucracy would impose on us which would disappear into a black hole of corruption comparable to what happens to tax dollars here in NJ.
-S-
| 876 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:46:55pm |
re: #810 Racer X
Whatever makes you feel good.
And that is what it is all about isn't it?
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
| 877 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:46:57pm |
re: #863 Killgore Trout
We were just doing some pasta talk. I just talked Wishing into buying and Atlas hand cranked pasta roller.
Nope, not me! The only thing I *hand crank* is the faucet in the sink. LOL
| 878 |
opilio Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:47:27pm |
re: #851 avanti
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute. Every bit of proof I'd come up with on climate change would disputed by a link to a non peer reviewed study by someone not in the field. I'm not any more likely to convince a global warming skeptic, then I could a creationist.
FAIL.
| 879 |
phoenixgirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:47:27pm |
re: #871 nyc redneck
not for just an hour. the increase will be nominal.
i do feel a bit guilty for being so defiant. but i'm in for the whole hour.
i know all my friends are stumbling around in the dark. lol
weekends we have reduced rates out here. all the lights are going on!
| 880 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:47:54pm |
re: #851 avanti
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute. Every bit of proof I'd come up with on climate change would disputed by a link to a non peer reviewed study by someone not in the field. I'm not any more likely to convince a global warming skeptic, then I could a creationist.
The problem here is the politicizing of science. Get the politics out so we can judge the evidence on the merits, and not have it tainted by a politically charged lightening rod like al gore or bobby jindal.
| 881 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:47:56pm |
re: #877 Wishing
Oops, I meant NonNativeTexan .
| 882 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:48:07pm |
This whole anti-Earth hour thing is just silly. It's the essence of what is wrong with national discourse today: Liberals still set the terms. Conservatives are still reacting to what liberals do. It's childish to burn up more electricity just because the environmentalists are turning their lights off. And it makes me sad to see so many conservatives caught up this ruckus. Please don't do this, guys.
| 883 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:48:26pm |
| 884 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:48:36pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
Why?
| 885 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:49:19pm |
re: #871 nyc redneck
I'm just going to go about my hour like I normally would. Not turning everything off should be enough of a protest.
| 886 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:49:31pm |
i hope no one is getting mugged somewhere.
| 887 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:49:48pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
So the peer reviewed Vostok Ice core data I've linked for you at least two times, if not more, that shows the rise in CO2 trails the rise in temperature means nothing?
| 888 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:50:32pm |
Nobody seems to have got the memo where I am.
| 889 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:50:41pm |
re: #887 jcm
So the peer reviewed Vostok Ice core data I've linked for you at least two times, if not more, that shows the rise in CO2 trails the rise in temperature means nothing?
Facts, nasty little bits. Why bring those up?
| 890 |
Buster Bunny Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:50:50pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
Reduced energy is not a win-win for anyone. If people stop using energy they stop doing things to make themselves more productive. When they are productive .. not only do they produce waste .. they produce solutions for dealing with the waste. So .. contrary to popular notion, reducing energy doesnt save the planet .. it just allows people to fester in their own waste.
| 891 |
yesandno Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:51:19pm |
re: #799 avanti
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.I'm turning off a few lights because I trust the science, but no better then to debate it with the right because the science is trumped by the politics.
The earth is cooling.
Climate change exists with or without man.
There is NO science of climate change...it is a consensus, and consensus is not science.
You should save all you can, reuse all you can, waste as little as possible. Not because science has proven global warming, but because it is logical to do it.
The global warming movement is but a way for the rich countries to transfer their wealth to the poorer countries. We consume a lot of energy, but we produce more with it.
When Algore can abuse energy as he does in his own abode, and then preach to us about our own usage, then the head of the church of Global Warning is sort of like Jimmy Swaggart....claiming piety while screwing the whore.
Correlation is not causation. Consensus is not science. And man is not only the protector of the environment, he must be the protector of man as well. That means pushing civilization forward, not hoping we all end up in the third world.
| 892 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:51:37pm |
re: #799 avanti
There are several positions on the global warming debate I accept, more less in the order of logic. IMHO, choosing number 1 or 2 is rational, anything else put you in the creationist mind set.
1. The earth is warming, man is a factor.
2. The earth is warming, man may not be cause, but there is no harm in reducing our dependence of fossil fuel.
3. The earth is not warming, the science is wrong, steady as she goes.
4. The earth is not warming, it's a liberal plot by the commies and the scientists and as a conservative, I need to make fun of them.
I'm very nearly all of the above.
The Earth is warming, and Mars is warming, and Pluto is warming. Man may be a (tiny) factor. Maybe warming is good. In ANY case, it does no harm to reduce our dependence on fossil fuel. The "science" of global humbug is mostly wrong, maybe backwards. It is a plot by brainless commies and as a rational person, I need to make fun of them.
| 893 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:51:53pm |
re: #882 ConservatismNow!
This whole anti-Earth hour thing is just silly. It's the essence of what is wrong with national discourse today: Liberals still set the terms. Conservatives are still reacting to what liberals do. It's childish to burn up more electricity just because the environmentalists are turning their lights off. And it makes me sad to see so many conservatives caught up this ruckus. Please don't do this, guys.
We need to be proactive. We should still be chanting "Drill, Baby, drill!" and discussing nuclear energy. We should just ignore the left on this earth hour or whatever the hell this is tonight. By reacting, we give them legitimacy. Kind of like not putting a troll on GAZE, we end up feeding it.
| 894 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:52:21pm |
re: #885 Sharmuta
I'm just going to go about my hour like I normally would. Not turning everything off should be enough of a protest.
i understand completely.
i needed to go over board because of the pressure from my dumb
friends.
gak
(only 9 minutes to go.)
| 895 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:52:30pm |
re: #887 jcm
So the peer reviewed Vostok Ice core data I've linked for you at least two times, if not more, that shows the rise in CO2 trails the rise in temperature means nothing?
it means his whole world is collapsing around his empty head....if he drools enough he may eventually float to safety somewhere
| 897 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:52:46pm |
re: #885 Sharmuta
I'm just going to go about my hour like I normally would. Not turning everything off should be enough of a protest.
Exactly. My light is off because it was off at 7:30 and will be off at 9:30. Nobody in the neighborhood is going to notice if my lights are on or off. If they want to know my politics I will tell them. I don't need to waste money and energy to do it.
| 898 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:53:23pm |
re: #887 jcm
So the peer reviewed Vostok Ice core data I've linked for you at least two times, if not more, that shows the rise in CO2 trails the rise in temperature means nothing?
Just curious. I love core data. What is the link?
| 899 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:53:50pm |
re: #893 Sharmuta
We need to be proactive. We should still be chanting "Drill, Baby, drill!" and discussing nuclear energy. We should just ignore the left on this earth hour or whatever the hell this is tonight. By reacting, we give them legitimacy. Kind of like not putting a troll on GAZE, we end up feeding it.
exactly...it is a media trap...reacting in the negative reinforces their BS
| 900 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:53:55pm |
Evening, lizards!
Tim Blair has it EXACTLY right.
I'm doing my laundry, extra dryer time, all the lights are ON, the TV's blasting and I'm roasting a monster chook that I've marinated in fresh lemon, garlic and rosemary. The basmati rice is delicately perfuming the kitchen as it steams and the clothes washer is hungry for more - perhaps my comforter needs its gentle embrace. I'm on it!
Oh, and BTW, avanti is STILL a horse's ass.
| 901 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:54:00pm |
The two houses I can see through the woods in back of my house have lights on. My next door neighbor has lights on, and another down the street has its lights on. Mine are on. I can see five houses with no lights on. We cancelled each other out around here.
| 902 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:54:10pm |
Come on people. Some one get mad! We can get this thread to 1K
easy.
| 903 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:54:11pm |
re: #859 albusteve
in simple terms how to you reconcile the Earth is not warming?
I don't, the earth is warming, no real debate about that. The warming slowed in 1998, but even that year was in the top 10 warmest in the last century. here's a page that covers a few of the anti AGW myths like the earth is not warming BS.
| 904 |
David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:54:40pm |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
You can do it easily by hand with no special tools. Here's where I learned: Udon noodles. Note: they label it "wheat flour" to differentiate from rice flour. It isn't what we call "whole wheat" flour. Just regular white flour is what they're using.
I've owned the automated machines before. Although they will get you addicted to fresh noodles they really aren't very functional and they won't last long.
I highly recommend the Atlas Pasta machine. It's hand operated and easy to clean. It will last a lifetime if you properly care for it. Mine never leaves the countertop. I use is almost every week.
I would love to be able to make my own pasta. Have you ever experimented with using a mixture of white and whole wheat flour? It took some getting used to, but I now prefer "whole wheat" pasta to regular.
| 905 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:56:14pm |
re: #890 Buster Bunny
Agreed.
A huge amount of the poverty in the world is caused by lack of energy. Whether it be for projects like desalinization plants that will never be built or entire cities where everyone (including hospitals, etc.) loses power for hours at a time, the need for power is universal among the neediest of the world. Liberals act as if they don't want "waste" of power when they in fact simply don't want power at all.
Consider the Mojave Desewrt clusterf*%k, that pretty much sums up the state of the "energy conservation" movemment.
| 906 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:56:37pm |
re: #903 avanti
I don't, the earth is warming, no real debate about that. The warming slowed in 1998, but even that year was in the top 10 warmest in the last century. here's a page that covers a few of the anti AGW myths like the earth is not warming BS.
when warming slows, thats called cooling
| 908 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:56:50pm |
re: #880 Sharmuta
The problem here is the politicizing of science. Get the politics out so we can judge the evidence on the merits, and not have it tainted by a politically charged lightening rod like al gore or bobby jindal.
I agree 100%. I'll give you the fact that Gore was over the top in high lighting the issue, and may have poisoned the debate for a long time.
| 909 |
Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:57:36pm |
re: #906 albusteve
when warming slows, thats called cooling
I thought yall changed it to climate change? Are we back to global warming? Make up your mind, for petes sake.
| 910 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:57:45pm |
re: #899 albusteve
exactly...it is a media trap...reacting in the negative reinforces their BS
Like grade school play ground politics.
| 912 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:58:41pm |
HEMP!....ALGEA!...NUKES!...ROLLING STONES!
we can save ourselves
| 913 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:02pm |
re: #908 avanti
BTW,
Newt, McCain, and others in the GOP jumped on the AGW bandwagon a long time ago.
| 914 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:23pm |
re: #909 Wishing
I thought yall changed it to climate change? Are we back to global warming? Make up your mind, for petes sake.
wishing -
When I was a Younger Man we had a one word term for "Climate Change."
The WORD was WEATHER. That is all.
-S-
| 915 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:30pm |
re: #893 Sharmuta
This is absolutely correct. Energy independence IS national security. By reacting, we are seen as the bad guys. Conservatives will never be able to get the message out if they always compare themselves to liberals. Your platform should speak for itself. Conservatives would never be defeated in politics if they were proactive.
| 916 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:31pm |
re: #898 Naso Tang
Just curious. I love core data. What is the link?
Here's one graphed.
Carbon follows temperature in the Vostok Ice Cores
| 917 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:39pm |
| 918 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:59:48pm |
| 919 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:00:01pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
What you say is true only if you view the energy balance on Planet Earth as a closed system, which of course it is not. Every day Dear Old Sun delivers about 3 billion megawatt hours of energy to the earth's surface. Some of it bounces off, and some of it is absorbed. Some of it evaporates water that flows over our mountains, comes down as rain and snow, flows down our rivers and through our dams and turbines producing electric power. Tomorrow we'll get another 3billion megawatt hours of energy, whether we use today's or not. Some of that energy warms our fields and energizes the plants and trees that grow to provide us with food and shelter. Day after tomorrow we'll get another 3 Billion Megawatt - hours to do with as we please.
| 920 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:00:27pm |
re: #904 David Simon
Yeah, you can do all sorts of combinations with white, wheat and semolina flours. The doughs all behave slightly differently (white flour has more glutten) but they will all work.
| 921 |
Noam Sayin' Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:00:29pm |
re: #903 avanti
I don't, the earth is warming, no real debate about that. The warming slowed in 1998, but even that year was in the top 10 warmest in the last century. here's a page that covers a few of the anti AGW myths like the earth is not warming BS.
First "myth" on your link is a straw man argument. Where did they come to the conclusion that someone claimed global warming stopped in 1998? Who would have determined this?
| 923 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:01:00pm |
re: #868 Wishing
Avanti, the guy you are trusting to give you *peer reviewed* facts is Al Gore who is also a creationist. Why don't you trust him regarding creationism.?Are you SURE he gets his facts right?
Al Gore is the political symbol of AGW. He is not a climatologist, simply a cheer leader.
| 924 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:01:33pm |
re: #910 Sharmuta
Like grade school play ground politics.
Or worse, it's a very leftist "feel" approach to protest. If you have your lights on, okay, someone can see that from outside and will know you are protesting. But having other appliances on for no good reason other than to protest is just something done to make you feeeeeel good, since nobody knows you are doing it but you.
| 925 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:01:56pm |
re: #922 Sharmuta
Some of those other models on Amazon might even be better but the Atlas is a classic.
| 926 |
David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:02:03pm |
re: #920 Killgore Trout
Yeah, you can do all sorts of combinations with white, wheat and semolina flours. The doughs all behave slightly differently (white flour has more glutten) but they will all work.
Do you recall roughly how long it took you to become proficient at making pasta?
| 927 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:02:13pm |
re: #915 ConservatismNow!
This is absolutely correct. Energy independence IS national security. By reacting, we are seen as the bad guys. Conservatives will never be able to get the message out if they always compare themselves to liberals. Your platform should speak for itself. Conservatives would never be defeated in politics if they were proactive.
This is an issue we could really lead on. Drilling and constructing new plants for nuclear energy, new refineries... think of the jobs it would create! Why we are not out in front with a real PR department at gop hq is beyond me.
| 928 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:02:50pm |
re: #903 avanti
I don't, the earth is warming, no real debate about that. The warming slowed in 1998, but even that year was in the top 10 warmest in the last century. here's a page that covers a few of the anti AGW myths like the earth is not warming BS.
It's pretty clear that the earth has NOT been warming since 1998. Looking at the graphs on the link you provided, it even shows the temperature decreasing the past few years. Now, the overall trend could still be up, I don't deny that, but I think it's wrong to say that the Earth has still been increasing it's average temperature the past few years.
Where I have more of an issue with global warming paranoia is the belief that warming is bad for us. I think quite the contrary, a slightly warmer climate would improve life for man kind. I likewise have a problem with the certainty that global warming advocates claim CO2 is the primary driver of climate change. The evidence for that is extremely thin.
| 929 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:02:51pm |
ok.
it's 9 o'clock.
off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off,
i'm so bad.
LOL
| 930 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:03:42pm |
re: #925 Killgore Trout
Some of those other models on Amazon might even be better but the Atlas is a classic.
It's the one my grandpa and dad use. My grandfather's mother came off the boat from Italy. You don't mess with his pasta, if you know what I mean.
| 931 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:03:49pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
That is far from certain.
Most of our history, increased civilization requires increased energy use. NO reason to think that will change. In a thousand years, with fusion and solar and whatnot, we might be using 10x or 100x more power. Read Larry Niven's scifi and scifact articles on the topic. Read about ringworlds and dyson spheres and the puppeteer planet.
What if there is global cooling, what then? Should we suffer an ice age because "it's natural"?
| 932 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:03:54pm |
re: #923 avanti
Al Gore is the political symbol of AGW. He is not a climatologist, simply a cheer leader.
cheerleaders win Nobels?....liberals are so fucked up the are beyond redemption....you should hear yourself....talk some more
| 933 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:04:01pm |
re: #907 jcm
Wow... that guy is awesome
This finding, in the words of Caillon et al., "confirms that CO2 is not the forcing that initially drives the climatic system during a deglaciation."
No duh. Climate scientists know this. The primary force was Milankovitch cycles:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Nevertheless, they and many others continue to hold to the view that the subsequent increase in atmospheric CO2...serves to amplify the warming that is caused by whatever prompts the temperature to rise in the first place.
Proof that it doesn't? Conveniently missing...
| 934 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:04:10pm |
re: #914 Dr. Shalit
wishing -
When I was a Younger Man we had a one word term for "Climate Change."
The WORD was WEATHER. That is all.
-S-
*APPLAUSE*
You'd laugh out loud at the expressions on the moonbats faces when I point that out - here in the Great White North where we NEED to keep warm.
Honestly, the schtoopidity and the white guilt of these enviro-nutballs astounds me.
Idjits.
| 935 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:04:35pm |
re: #907 jcm
We can play dueling articles all day and all night.
Small problem. The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is funded at least in part by ExxonMobil.
| 936 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:05:13pm |
re: #913 Racer X
BTW,
Newt, McCain, and others in the GOP jumped on the AGW bandwagon a long time ago.
I know, but it was too late after the die was cast, and minds were locked in. As time goes on, more will come around, but it's a slow process. I thought when Bush moved over, it would move faster.
| 937 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:05:47pm |
re: #936 avanti
I know, but it was too late after the die was cast, and minds were locked in. As time goes on, more will come around, but it's a slow process. I thought when Bush moved over, it would move faster.
So what does that tell you?
Not settled.
| 938 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:06:08pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic.
Also, avanti- I'd like you to think about this for awhile, and if purely symbolic gestures are not in reality more offensive than meaningful solutions to energy and conservation issues.
| 940 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:06:39pm |
My "neighbor" (our backyards are contiguous, but we live on totally different blocks, I barely know the guy) has his outdoor TV on, as well as his garage lights. It's pouring outside, so it seems odd that he'd be using those.
I wonder if he's doing it on purpose? I'll have to strike up a conversation next time I see him.
| 941 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:07:06pm |
*NEWSFLASH*
avanti is STILL a horse's a**.
That is all.
| 942 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:07:29pm |
re: #916 jcm
Here's one graphed.
Carbon follows temperature in the Vostok Ice Cores
Good stuff. Thanks for posting. Upding.
| 943 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:08:11pm |
| 944 |
David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:08:53pm |
re: #930 Sharmuta
It's the one my grandpa and dad use. My grandfather's mother came off the boat from Italy. You don't mess with his pasta, if you know what I mean.
That does it. Sold. (Now, I hope it doesn't end up sitting in the closet in its unwrapped package next to the pizza stone I bought years ago.)
| 945 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:09:05pm |
re: #929 nyc redneck
ok.
it's 9 o'clock.
off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off,
i'm so bad.
LOL
I thought it was for an hour. You're turning them back off at 9? That's a half hour. You are one of the anti-earth hour protesters?
| 946 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:09:17pm |
re: #927 Sharmuta
One of my co-workers is a former Navy engineer. Worked in the engine room and whatnot. One of his goals right now is to take himself off the grid. He's built a few small generators that generate enough power to sustain themselves and have enough juice left over to charge some batteries. He's also currently working on building a wood-fueled boiler for his home to provide heat and power. This is the kind of genius we need right now. It's the same as installing home solar panels in desert climates. Seems like a no-brainer to me. The more renewable energy you consume, the less non-renewable energy you consume.
| 947 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:09:39pm |
re: #935 Charles
Who are what funds who isn't the real question. The question is
: is what they say true or not.
| 948 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:10:10pm |
| 949 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:10:15pm |
re: #945 Silvergirl
Obviously not a really committed protestor.
/
| 950 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:10:43pm |
re: #932 albusteve
cheerleaders win Nobels?....liberals are so fucked up the are beyond redemption....you should hear yourself....talk some more
You do know he won the Noble Peace prize do you not ? Cheerleaders for causes/diplomats/statesmen win that, not scientists.
| 951 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:11:30pm |
re: #935 Charles
Charles, this seems to be in your area of expertise.
Do you happen to know how much energy a computer user (or 100 of them) use in comparison with something like a car idling in the driveway or something like that? Is it completely negligible (the computer users consumption) or is it something that significantly "contributes to G.W." by consuming fossil fuels?
| 952 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:11:38pm |
re: #935 Charles
Small problem. The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is funded at least in part by ExxonMobil.
I'm surprised ExxonMobil isn't backing up the climatologists. From what I've read some denialists claim, those in the field of global warming automatically have a trillion dollars wired to their bank accounts.
| 953 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:11:44pm |
re: #950 avanti
You do know he won the Noble Peace prize do you not ? Cheerleaders for causes/diplomats/statesmen win that, not scientists.
You left out frauds.
| 954 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:11:50pm |
re: #935 Charles
Small problem. The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is funded at least in part by ExxonMobil.
CO2 Does Not Drive Glacial Cycles
Guest post by Steven Goddard
| 956 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:12:13pm |
re: #893 Sharmuta
We need to be proactive. We should still be chanting "Drill, Baby, drill!" and discussing nuclear energy. We should just ignore the left on this earth hour or whatever the hell this is tonight. By reacting, we give them legitimacy. Kind of like not putting a troll on GAZE, we end up feeding it.
'Zactly. I don't see how acting like the Bizarro World's version of moonbats is appealing to so many conservatives. This will accomplish nothing, and will be noticed by no one. I'll bet that even the greenies will continue use electricity as normal for that hour, unless they're hosting a "look how cool I am" shindig.
Purposefully wasting energy and money is just as symbolic and meaningless as turning off your lights. No one is "sticking it to the man" with this nonsense. These kinds of stunts will only have meaning if they are illegal.
| 957 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:12:28pm |
re: #950 avanti
You do know he won the Noble Peace prize do you not ? Cheerleaders for causes/diplomats/statesmen win that, not scientists.
his cause is fraudulent and so is he...you are getting hosed while he makes millions off sycophants like you
| 958 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:12:50pm |
re: #947 NonNativeTexan
Who are what funds who isn't the real question. The question is
: is what they say true or not.
I agree, that is the question. And the fact that they get funding from ExxonMobil definitely does cause me to question whether they're spinning the data.
| 959 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:13:47pm |
re: #954 jcm
CO2 Does Not Drive Glacial Cycles
Guest post by Steven Goddard
they neglect this 'minor' detail...they NEVER explain this silly little factoid
| 960 |
Emerald Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:13:57pm |
I've heard of taking the long view before, but this guy takes the cake!
| 961 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:14:14pm |
Sigh... Milutin Milankovic is constantly ignored. Such is the life of the mathematician I guess...
| 962 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:14:21pm |
re: #946 ConservatismNow!
There is nothing wrong with supporting alternative energy sources. I have a native American friend who is currently in negotiations to get wind mills on his tribe's land. I think it's a great idea for them and it will benefit a much larger number of people than just the tribe.
My problem with the left on this issue is their hypocrisy in blocking real solutions. There is no reason why we can't have American oil for our cars, no reason we can't have nuclear plants, no reason they can have a wind mill on their land too.
| 963 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:14:34pm |
re: #759 Charles
Sorry, I'm not on board with this at all. It's foolish to waste resources for no reason, and it makes conservatives look like boorish hypocrites in my opinion.
The "waste" is actually tiny in the overall scheme of things, just as the "savings" allegedly created by the "lights out" for Earth Hour are largely illusory.
When I am at home, I pay my own electric bills. I don't need Al Gore, or David Suzuki, or Maurice Strong telling me to conserve. Every lamp I turn off when not needed puts pennies in my pocket.
To copy the credit card ad:
5 100-watt incandescent lamp bulbs, $4.49
0.5 kWhr electricity, $0.10
Denying AGW cultists the appearance of unanimity: priceless.
IMHO, it's money well-spent, if there's an audience for the gesture. Where I am right now, no audience, so no useless gestures. I don't advocate waste.
| 964 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:14:36pm |
re: #959 albusteve
they neglect this 'minor' detail...they NEVER explain this silly little factoid
There it is! Yesh!
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
| 965 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:14:49pm |
re: #958 Charles
I agree, that is the question. And the fact that they get funding from ExxonMobil definitely does cause me to question whether they're spinning the data.
Could Exxon/Mobil be funding it be a PR action?
| 966 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:15:50pm |
re: #950 avanti
You do know he won the Noble Peace prize do you not ? Cheerleaders for causes/diplomats/statesmen win that, not scientists.
Yeah, cuz Arafat was such a great guy they gave him one too.
| 967 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:15:51pm |
re: #965 MandyManners
Could Exxon/Mobil be funding it be as a PR action?
| 968 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:16:08pm |
re: #962 Sharmuta
Oh heck ya. I'd drive an electric car (or truck in my case) if we as a country ran off renewable energy and had enough to spare. But then the issue for the left is not the environment. It's power.
| 969 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:16:09pm |
What is non-renewable energy? Hydropower is now classified as non-renewable, but solar power is renewable. Hydro power IS solar power. We pump oil out of the ground and burn it. How do we know oil is not being produced right now by sea algae? We know algae produce hydrocarbons (They are hydrocarbons). Biomass is hydrocarbon. It gets converted to coal. The energy from the sun is responsible for all of it, and new energy flows in every day in massive amounts. Maybe nuclear energy is nonrenewable. But there seems to be an endless supply of fissionable material, and breeder reactors produce more fuel than they consume, so nuclear energy is renewable as well.
| 970 |
Optimizer Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:16:20pm |
Everybody who's now gone back to the Dark Ages for that stupid "Earth Hour" thing raise your hands!?!
| 971 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:16:59pm |
Some good info on energy use and computers:
[Link: michaelbluejay.com...]
| 972 |
opilio Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:17:01pm |
re: #919 UncleRancher
What you say is true only if you view the energy balance on Planet Earth as a closed system, which of course it is not. Every day Dear Old Sun delivers about 3 billion megawatt hours of energy to the earth's surface. Some of it bounces off, and some of it is absorbed. Some of it evaporates water that flows over our mountains, comes down as rain and snow, flows down our rivers and through our dams and turbines producing electric power. Tomorrow we'll get another 3billion megawatt hours of energy, whether we use today's or not. Some of that energy warms our fields and energizes the plants and trees that grow to provide us with food and shelter. Day after tomorrow we'll get another 3 Billion Megawatt - hours to do with as we please.
Did you make up that 3 billion MWh number? It seems low by several orders of magnitude to me. Just wondering.
| 973 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:17:28pm |
re: #963 Alberta Oil Peon
IMHO, it's money well-spent, if there's an audience for the gesture. Where I am right now, no audience, so no useless gestures. I don't advocate waste.
There are audiences for this? Are they selling tickets? Bleachers out in the streets so people can watch the neighbors turn the lights off or on?
| 974 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:17:29pm |
| 975 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:17:36pm |
re: #926 David Simon
Do you recall roughly how long it took you to become proficient at making pasta?
It will take a couple tries before you get it down. The dough will be too wet and stick to the roller or too dry and not have enough grip. You'll have it down after a few tries. In a month or two you'll be a pro.
You can also save time and cleanup by making a large batch of dough and then storing single portions in the in fridge with vacuum sealed bags. Pasta dough does have raw eggs in it but I haven't had any trouble from storing it (properly sealed) in the fridge for a week or two.
| 976 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:17:51pm |
re: #965 MandyManners
If there's ever going to be an alternative energy source that actually works as well as petroleum does, it will be developed by a company like ExxonMobil, not by the "Gubmint".
History has certainly shown us that.
| 977 |
clgood Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:18:12pm |
re: #500 Racer X
"Earth Hour" is a silly, symbolic waste of time being used just for propaganda. I don't see a big problem in an equal and opposite silly, symbolic waste of time used to point out how moronic "Earth Hour" is.
As for Shimkus, well, his theory is every bit as scientific as Algore's is. In fact, maybe he's making a great point and just doing it badly: Environmentalism is a religion.
The obvious examples of secularized religions are communism, socialism, and fascism, each of which generally involves worshipping government by slightly different rituals or for slightly different reasons. As these convictions faded, faith in the welfare state, and especially environmental protection, has risen to take their place for reasons government should be worshipped. Environmentalist devotees claim that we will experience
the apocalypsedisasters, for which some people are rebuilding Noah's Ark. These disasters can be prevented if we take the advice ofprophetspeople who understand, like Al Gore. Of course, if wesinpollute a little too much, well, we can always buyindulgencescarbon offsets.
| 978 |
swamprat Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:18:19pm |
| 979 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:18:41pm |
re: #964 Basho
There it is! Yesh!
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
So CO2 could have caused the last 5/6 of the warming, but could not have caused the first 1/6 of the warming.
It comes as no surprise that other factors besides CO2 affect climate. Changes in the amount of summer sunshine, due to changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun that happen every 21,000 years, have long been known to affect the comings and goings of ice ages. Atlantic ocean circulation slowdowns are thought to warm Antarctica, also.
| 980 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:18:56pm |
re: #970 Optimizer
Everybody who's now gone back to the Dark Ages for that stupid "Earth Hour" thing raise your hands!?!
If they're sitting in the dark, you won't be able to see their hands now, will you?
| 981 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:19:13pm |
re: #962 Sharmuta
There is no reason why we can't have American oil for our cars, no reason we can't have nuclear plants, no reason they can have a wind mill on their land too.
If only people like Jindal highlighted the left's role in stalling nuclear progress (including sending nuclear powered probes to space) instead of whining about volcano monitoring.
| 982 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:19:15pm |
re: #963 Alberta Oil Peon
I'm really missing Alberta lately, especially Calgary. Any good news from G*D's country?
| 983 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:19:40pm |
re: #951 Lincolntf
I have an old power supply here that says it sucks up between 130 to 425watts.
| 984 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:19:55pm |
re: #965 MandyManners
Could Exxon/Mobil be funding it be a PR action?
If not Exxon/Mobil, then who would provide any funding for scientists looking for evidence that CO2 is not the primary driver of global warming. Yes, it has the taint of being funded by an interested party, but the vast majority of global warming funding has the same taint of funding bias. Do you think government environmental agencies want to fund research that would make their jobs more important (pro CO2 causing global warming) or less important.
| 985 |
swamprat Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:19:58pm |
re: #946 ConservatismNow!
Kos lurker sees updings; head explodes.
| 986 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:20:10pm |
If anyone cares....
Villanova/Pitt is down to the wire. 1 point game with about 30 secs left.
| 987 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:20:21pm |
re: #975 Killgore Trout
My dad would keep a dish or cup of water handy to dip his fingers in to flick at the dough if it started drying out.
| 988 |
phoenixgirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:21:09pm |
| 989 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:21:23pm |
re: #987 Sharmuta
Yeah, keeping water and flour on hand is always a good idea.
| 990 |
glasscitygirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:22:37pm |
# 970
All my lights are on upstairs, downstairs, and basement.
They will be on 'till I go to bed.
I will also put them on tomorrow as suggested by WSJ JAMES TARANTO.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
| 991 |
clgood Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:22:51pm |
Oh -- and didn't his staffers behind him look kind of uncomfortable? The thought balloon over the young woman looked like, "I wonder if I can still get that gig at Walmart if I go back to Illinois now?"
| 992 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:23:39pm |
re: #972 opilio
Did you make up that 3 billion MWh number? It seems low by several orders of magnitude to me. Just wondering.
Solar radiation is at about 1kw/m^2. If the earth diameter is about 7958 miles, or 12,806,000 meters, then the area of earth intercepting sunlight is (pi)(dia squared)/4 =1.29 x 10^14 m^2. The sun shines 24 hours a day on the earth, so multiply by 24 and you get 3.09 x 10^15 Watt Hours/day. Divide by 1000000 to get 3 billion MWh/d
It's an estimate but it's close enough for discussion purposes.
| 993 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:23:44pm |
re: #987 Sharmuta
My dad would keep a dish or cup of water handy to dip his fingers in to flick at the dough if it started drying out.
Today, we are all Italians!
| 994 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:23:47pm |
re: #945 Silvergirl
I thought it was for an hour. You're turning them back off at 9? That's a half hour. You are one of the anti-earth hour protesters?
oh no, i thought it was from 8 to 9.
crap, i need to turn them on for 10 more minutes?
ok
on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on,on, on.
damn, this is getting exhausting.
anyway, TOMORROW, i'll turn everything off for an hour.
ha ha ha . the jokes on them.
| 995 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:24:47pm |
re: #958 Charles
I agree, that is the question. And the fact that they get funding from ExxonMobil definitely does cause me to question whether they're spinning the data.
"Using truth in a grab for power is just as wrong as using a lie." Saw that in a book today.
| 996 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:25:17pm |
re: #983 Killgore Trout
Okay, so I have to figure out how much fossil fuel pollution is produced in order to power your computer. I know people have charts that show "for every 100 miles you drive, you produce X amount of pounds of blah, blah, blah", so I might be able to extrapolate from that.
I honestly haven't a clue whether it takes ten or ten thousand Internet surfers to equal one big, evil, diesel truck.
| 997 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:25:33pm |
re: #989 Killgore Trout
I agree with your earlier comment- it's a bit of an art, but once you get it down, it's fairly easy. (I use to get to turn the crank!)
| 998 |
clgood Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:25:51pm |
re: #935 Charles
Very small problem. It's a very small part of their budget. And almost all the pro-alarmist "research" comes from political entities like the U.N. and the government.
If I have to decide who to trust, Exxon or the United Nations, it'll take me about a nanosecond to choose.
Since scientists who don't get on board with the alarmism don't get my tax dollars, they have to go elsewhere for money.
| 999 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:25:52pm |
re: #979 jcm
So CO2 could have caused the last 5/6 of the warming, but could not have caused the first 1/6 of the warming.
It comes as no surprise that other factors besides CO2 affect climate. Changes in the amount of summer sunshine, due to changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun that happen every 21,000 years, have long been known to affect the comings and goings of ice ages. Atlantic ocean circulation slowdowns are thought to warm Antarctica, also.
It doesn't come as a surprise to climatologists either.
And it's not the sun:
[Link: gristmill.grist.org...]
| 1000 |
Steffan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:26:33pm |
re: #958 Charles
My take on this is that Al Gore and the other AGW pushers are just as much con men as the Bakkers and other televangelists. They use their faithful audiences' credulity to milk the marks of all they can get.
Remember the gold-plated bathroom fixtures that Jim and Tammy-Faye had? Al Gore's energy-hog mansion would appear to be exactly the same, though Gore hasn't built an AGW theme park. Yet.
| 1001 |
Van Helsing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:26:55pm |
As an almost complete non sequiter, Joan Baez is a raving moonbat but she sure had (probably still has) a great voice.
Passing song...
| 1002 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:27:19pm |
| 1003 |
Optimizer Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:27:21pm |
re: #882 ConservatismNow!
This whole anti-Earth hour thing is just silly. It's the essence of what is wrong with national discourse today: Liberals still set the terms. Conservatives are still reacting to what liberals do. It's childish to burn up more electricity just because the environmentalists are turning their lights off. And it makes me sad to see so many conservatives caught up this ruckus. Please don't do this, guys.
This whole anti-anti-Earth Hour thing is silly. If someone wants to use the best possible occaision to speak out against something in a peaceful way, what's there to complain about?
The amount of electricity to be expended is trivial (symbolic), so get real. Maybe the leftists get away with most of the crap they do because nobody speaks up against them when they pull their stunts. Maybe the clueless types in the middle go along them it because they think these people are so passionate about it, there must be something to it. There's never been a counter-balance, to say, "No, this is madness, because..."
You still got a minute or two left...
| 1005 |
NonNativeTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:27:44pm |
re: #1000 Steffan
You wim, we made it. CU all Later.
Thanks again KT.
| 1006 |
melinwy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:28:14pm |
re: #869 Naso Tang
Which netbook did you get, if you don 't mind my asking.
| 1007 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:28:40pm |
re: #966 Racer X
Yeah, cuz Arafat was such a great guy they gave him one too.
The right sure loves the associations deal, now everyone then wins a Nobel is now hooked up with a terrorist. I never said Gore was a great guy, he's fucked up logical thinking on AGW.
| 1008 |
Van Helsing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:28:48pm |
Water vapor is a considerably better greenhouse compound than CO2 and makes up a hugely larger proportion of the atmosphere.
AGW is a money, and through money, power grab.
Commie rat bastards.
| 1009 |
TaeJohnDo Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:28:53pm |
SAve the Earch!?!
| 1010 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:28:59pm |
| 1011 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:29:06pm |
In the who you gonna trust, Al Gore or Exxon, I'm going to have to say that both have agendas, and both exaggerate for political purposes.
| 1012 |
Van Helsing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:29:16pm |
re: #1002 albusteve
Yes. Thanks. SHE has a great voice, too.
| 1013 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:30:02pm |
re: #1008 Van Helsing
Water vapor is a considerably better greenhouse compound than CO2 and makes up a hugely larger proportion of the atmosphere.
AGW is a money, and through money, power grab.
Commie rat bastards.
Yes... climatologists know about water vapor too...
| 1014 |
Dustyvet Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:30:11pm |
FREEZER FOODS:
ICE CREAM - If you can't tell the difference between your ice cubes and your ice cream, it's time to throw BOTH out.
FROZEN FOODS - Frozen foods that have become an integral part of the defrosting problem in your freezer compartment will probably be spoiled (or wrecked anyway) by the time you pry them out with a kitchen knife.
IN THE FRIDGE:
EGGS - When something starts pecking its way out of the shell, the egg is probably past its prime.
DAIRY PRODUCTS - Milk is spoiled when it starts to look like yogurt. Yogurt is spoiled when it starts to look like cottage cheese. Cottage cheese is spoiled when it starts to look like regular cheese. Regular cheese is nothing but spoiled milk anyway -- if you can dig down and still find something non-green, bon appetite!
MEAT - If opening the refrigerator door causes stray animals from a three-block radius to congregate outside your house, toss the meat.
UNMARKED ITEMS: You know it is well beyond prime when you're tempted to discard the Tupperware along with the food. EMPTY
ON THE SHELF:
CANNED GOODS - Any canned goods that have become the size or shape of a softball should be disposed of ... Very carefully.
POTATOES - Fresh potatoes do not have roots, branches, or dense,leafy undergrowth.
THE GAG TEST - Anything that makes you gag is spoiled (except for leftovers from what you cooked for yourself last night).
BREAD: Sesame seeds and Poppy seeds are the only officially acceptable 'spots' that should be seen on the surface of any loaf of bread. Fuzzy and hairy looking white or green growth areas are good indications that your bread has turned into a pharmaceutical laboratory experiment. You may wish to discard it at this time, depending on your interest in pharmaceuticals.
CEREAL: It is generally a good rule of thumb that cereal should be discarded when it is two years or longer beyond the expiration date, or when it will no longer fall out of the box by itself.
FLOUR: Flour is spoiled when it wiggles, or things fly out when you open it.
PRETZELS: Normally eternal, pretzels may be discarded if they can no longer be picked up without falling apart. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop you from eating a pretzel that the Pharaoh put down only 4000 years ago.
RAISINS: Raisins should not usually be harder than your teeth.
SALT: It never spoils. However, if you can't chip off reasonable amounts from the block, maybe another box is in order, as fresh salt usually pours.
SPICES: Most spices cannot die, they just fade away. They will be fine on your shelf, forever. Put them in your will.
VINEGAR: If your grandmother made it, it is probably still good.
EXPIRATION DATES: This is not a marketing ploy to encourage you to throw away perfectly good food so that you'll spend more on groceries. Even dry foods older than you are may be ready to replace. Perhaps you'd benefit by having a calendar in your kitchen.
| 1015 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:30:16pm |
re: #999 Basho
It doesn't come as a surprise to climatologists either.
And it's not the sun:
[Link: gristmill.grist.org...]
I don't have a problem with cyclic climate change. The process are complex and not entirely completely understood.
Where I have a problem that is the when ManBearPig pronounces that man made CO2 IS THE CAUSE, and if we don't adopted global socialism in 5 years we're all going to die.
| 1017 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:30:41pm |
re: #982 Miss Trixie
I'm really missing Alberta lately, especially Calgary. Any good news from G*D's country?
Not much news of any sort, but I'm kind of out of the loop right now, being in B.C., not far from Dawson Creek.
| 1019 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:31:42pm |
re: #996 Lincolntf
Okay, so I have to figure out how much fossil fuel pollution is produced in order to power your computer. I know people have charts that show "for every 100 miles you drive, you produce X amount of pounds of blah, blah, blah", so I might be able to extrapolate from that.
I honestly haven't a clue whether it takes ten or ten thousand Internet surfers to equal one big, evil, diesel truck.
A big evil diesel truck will produce about 600 hp at full power. (They seldom run at full power). That's about 448 kW. Your computer probably consumes about 300 Watts. 1492 computers equals one big evil diesel truck.
| 1020 |
horse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:32:24pm |
re: #973 Sharmuta
There are audiences for this? Are they selling tickets? Bleachers out in the streets so people can watch the neighbors turn the lights off or on?
Well, there may be just that someday. It will be part of the clean energy division of the volunteer corps enabled by H.R. 1388.
| 1021 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:33:09pm |
re: #1012 Van Helsing
Yes. Thanks. SHE has a great voice, too.
somebody is listening!....tough house man...these lizards are relentless
| 1022 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:33:31pm |
re: #1015 jcm
I don't have a problem with cyclic climate change. The process are complex and not entirely completely understood.
Where I have a problem that is the when ManBearPig pronounces that man made CO2 IS THE CAUSE, and if we don't adopted global socialism in 5 years we're all going to die.
Well... the CO2 is the cause. I don't much care for what Gore thinks people should do. I'm interested in the science.
Don't confuse the facts with the policies people propose to deal with them.
| 1023 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:33:35pm |
re: #1016 Dr. Shalit
Ok -
9:30 EDST - Back to Normal.
-S-
yes, back to candles.
that brightness was bothering me.
| 1024 |
LGoPs Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:33:41pm |
re: #785 Desert Dog
I suggest you both start a class action lawsuit against one another and sue the crap out of yourselves? But, if you do that, I will be offended and will be forced to sue both of you because I will be offended by the fact that you are offended by being offended. /
What is sad about this situation is it is not too far from the reality of tort law in the USA today
LOL.....
| 1025 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:34:03pm |
re: #1013 Basho
Yes... climatologists know about water vapor too...
Basho, you'd think we'd learn this is not the venue to discuss AGW yet, the tide is still not with us :)
| 1026 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:34:22pm |
re: #1003 Optimizer
As you stated, the amount of energy is trivial. That's not the point. It's the fact that you are doing the exact opposite of what the liberals are doing just to counter-protest. You are still letting them set the terms of the debate, and in this case you look like the bad guy.
| 1028 |
opilio Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:34:55pm |
re: #992 UncleRancher
Solar radiation is at about 1kw/m^2. If the earth diameter is about 7958 miles, or 12,806,000 meters, then the area of earth intercepting sunlight is (pi)(dia squared)/4 =1.29 x 10^14 m^2. The sun shines 24 hours a day on the earth, so multiply by 24 and you get 3.09 x 10^15 Watt Hours/day. Divide by 1000000 to get 3 billion MWh/d
It's an estimate but it's close enough for discussion purposes.
The incoming radiation is ~ 1Kw/m2, so after multiplying by 24h/d and 1.29x1014 m2, the units are Kwh/d, not wh/d. So which sounds better: 3 trillion MWh/d or 3 billion GWh/d?
| 1029 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:34:59pm |
re: #1026 ConservatismNow!
As you stated, the amount of energy is trivial. That's not the point. It's the fact that you are doing the exact opposite of what the liberals are doing just to counter-protest. You are still letting them set the terms of the debate, and in this case you look like the bad guy.
It works for me.
| 1030 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:35:12pm |
At best AGW cultism is a passing fad. At worst it will be catastrophic to the economy and do zero to affect the climate either way.
| 1031 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:36:01pm |
re: #1025 avanti
Basho, you'd think we'd learn this is not the venue to discuss AGW yet, the tide is still not with us :)
:)
You got your beating, guess it's my turn now, haha.
| 1033 |
alegrias Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:36:46pm |
This Illinois Republican whom I've never heard of, nor are we likely to hear much from, is NOBODY compared to the bloviating hypocrite fat-ass media whore private jetster of climate change, AL BORE.
| 1034 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:37:39pm |
Here's the real imminent danger, and it doesn't take a computer model to see:
[Link: www.australia.to...]
[Link: www.radioaustralia.net.au...]
[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]
[Link: www.dailyrecord.co.uk...]
| 1035 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:38:06pm |
| 1036 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:38:13pm |
re: #1028 opilio
As long as we have enough power to send me back to the future, that's all I care about.
| 1037 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:38:27pm |
re: #1028 opilio
The incoming radiation is ~ 1Kw/m2, so after multiplying by 24h/d and 1.29x1014 m2, the units are Kwh/d, not wh/d. So which sounds better: 3 trillion MWh/d or 3 billion GWh/d?
These formulae do not take into account the effects of the radiation belts, the upper atmosphere and the curvature of the earth. The actual energy that is absorbed into the biosphere, that is the atmosphere within 3 miles of the surface and the water or land mass, is a fraction of the solar output calculated.
| 1038 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:38:29pm |
re: #1007 avanti
The right sure loves the associations deal, now everyone then wins a Nobel is now hooked up with a terrorist. I never said Gore was a great guy, he's fucked up logical thinking on AGW.
Nobel Prize.....almost as useful as a Heisman Trophy.
| 1039 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:39:20pm |
| 1040 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:39:27pm |
re: #1014 Dustyvet
HA! Good stuff. Last year I found some peaches in the back of my fridge I had forgotton about and like good Canadians, they were wearing little blue fur coats! :P
FYI - honey is the only food that does not spoil. :)
| 1041 |
formercorpsman Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:39:32pm |
re: #1035 Bloodnok
I know it is OT, but I just could not help myself. I am not really a major basketball fan until March anyway.
But man that was a great game. Down to the last 1/2 second.
| 1042 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:39:35pm |
re: #1023 nyc redneck
yes, back to candles.
that brightness was bothering me.
nycredneck -
Apart from the atmosphere they impart, Candles give off more direct air pollution than light bulbs - much like automobile exhaust is less likely to be a host for disease than Horse Manure.
-S-
| 1043 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:39:39pm |
re: #1034 Thanos
Well thank goodness we're not burning food to use as fuel, that'd make it even worse.
what?
| 1044 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:40:02pm |
re: #1022 Basho
Well... the CO2 is the cause. I don't much care for what Gore thinks people should do. I'm interested in the science.
Don't confuse the facts with the policies people propose to deal with them.
So H2O, Solar cycles, orbital variation, volcanism, etc.... have no effect? How do you explain the temperature increase on the rest of the planets? SUV's on Saturn?
| 1047 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:40:25pm |
re: #1040 Miss Trixie
HA! Good stuff. Last year I found some peaches in the back of my fridge I had forgotton about and like good Canadians, they were wearing little blue fur coats! :P
FYI - honey is the only food that does not spoil. :)
Then there is HoneyDew, Honey do this and Honey do that.
| 1048 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:40:39pm |
re: #1034 Thanos
Here's the real imminent danger, and it doesn't take a computer model to see:
[Link: www.australia.to...]
[Link: www.radioaustralia.net.au...]
[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]
[Link: www.dailyrecord.co.uk...]
And this is the crux of the matter for me. Many on the side of AGW fight to reduce carbon emissions at the expense of people living in poor countries. The price of food goes up. People die.
| 1049 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:40:40pm |
re: #1028 opilio
The incoming radiation is ~ 1Kw/m2, so after multiplying by 24h/d and 1.29x1014 m2, the units are Kwh/d, not wh/d. So which sounds better: 3 trillion MWh/d or 3 billion GWh/d?
Hey you are RIGHT. I'll change my calc's. That's 3 Billion GigaWatt hours/day. That's a lot of power. I think it looks more impressive when you capitalize Billion. Watt is supposed to be capitalized because that was the guy's name.
| 1050 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:41:09pm |
re: #1025 avanti
Basho, you'd think we'd learn this is not the venue to discuss AGW yet, the tide is still not with us :)
In 20 years Hanson et. al are going to look doubly foolish, first for prompting global cooling in the 70's and warming in the 90's.
| 1052 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:41:25pm |
re: #1044 jcm
So H2O, Solar cycles, orbital variation, volcanism, etc.... have no effect? How do you explain the temperature increase on the rest of the planets? SUV's on Saturn?
If a planet as huge and as far as Saturn were warming because of the sun... well... we wouldn't be hearing talking about this.
| 1053 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:41:26pm |
re: #1045 MandyManners
You will want to hit something:
For the past month alone, here’s Michelle Obama’s itinerary:
Travel to North Carolina to rally military families. Stand next to Hillary Clinton to encourage women to get politically active. Show up at a home-building site on the National Mall. Visit a D.C. school to talk up good grades. Cap it off by shoveling dirt for a “kitchen garden” at the White House.
Oh, and in between, the Council of Fashion Designers of America announced that it would honor her with a special tribute for her contribution to the fashion industry.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
| 1054 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:41:45pm |
re: #1042 Dr. Shalit
nycredneck -
Apart from the atmosphere they impart, Candles give off more direct air pollution than light bulbs - much like automobile exhaust is less likely to be a host for disease than Horse Manure.
-S-
i am NOT turning all the lights back on.
;)
| 1055 |
horse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:41:59pm |
re: #876 avanti
It is purely symbolic. I see nothing wrong with promoting the idea that man has a responsibility to be good to the planet. Even if you reject the science, you must know that reduced energy use is a win-win for the planet.
Actually, reduced energy is a win-win for the leftists and luddite greens; one wants control over your means and output, one wants your means to be laborious and the output small. Restricting access to energy achieves both.
The much better solution is abundant cheap energy that is environmentally neutral. That is an enabler for greater free enterprise and innovation, and indirectly an enabler of societal independence and liberty.
| 1056 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:42:13pm |
re: #1048 Racer X
And this is the crux of the matter for me. Many on the side of AGW fight to reduce carbon emissions at the expense of people living in poor countries. The price of food goes up. People die.
But, in their minds, they are "helping" those starving people
| 1057 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:42:34pm |
re: #1050 jcm
In 20 years Hanson et. al are going to look doubly foolish, first for prompting global cooling in the 70's and warming in the 90's.
When in danger or in doubt,
Turn in circles, scream and shout
- Naval Aviation in WW-II
| 1058 |
David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:42:50pm |
re: #975 Killgore Trout
It will take a couple tries before you get it down. The dough will be too wet and stick to the roller or too dry and not have enough grip. You'll have it down after a few tries. In a month or two you'll be a pro.
You can also save time and cleanup by making a large batch of dough and then storing single portions in the in fridge with vacuum sealed bags. Pasta dough does have raw eggs in it but I haven't had any trouble from storing it (properly sealed) in the fridge for a week or two.
Great, thanks for the info.
| 1059 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:42:53pm |
re: #1056 Desert Dog
But, in their minds, they are "helping" those starving people
Not really. They are "helping" the planet. They could care less about humans.
| 1060 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:43:22pm |
re: #1030 Salem
At best AGW cultism is a passing fad. At worst it will be catastrophic to the economy and do zero to affect the climate either way.
Enirowhackos have killed plenty already. Rachel Carson's Silent Spring.
| 1061 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:43:38pm |
re: #1050 jcm
In 20 years Hanson et. al are going to look doubly foolish, first for prompting global cooling in the 70's and warming in the 90's.
[Link: gristmill.grist.org...]
| 1062 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:43:53pm |
re: #1000 Steffan
My take on this is that Al Gore and the other AGW pushers are just as much con men as the Bakkers and other televangelists. They use their faithful audiences' credulity to milk the marks of all they can get.
Remember the gold-plated bathroom fixtures that Jim and Tammy-Faye had? Al Gore's energy-hog mansion would appear to be exactly the same, though Gore hasn't built an AGW theme park. Yet.
I agree. That's part of what makes this whole AGW mess so difficult to sort out -- there's a lot of flak in the air.
But there's more than one group on the anti-AGW side that's dominated by spin-meisters and dishonest hucksters too. James Inhofe's site is a prime example. Inhofe is a Christian Reconstructionist whose views are exactly like the ones that started this thread, and his anti-AGW website is packed full of distortions and dishonesty.
Al Gore is the public face of the AGW side, but he is not a scientist, and AGW is NOT "Al Gore's theory." There's a lot of real scientific evidence that climate change is being caused by human beings; I know it's not popular on the right to say that, but the more I learn about the issue the more I'm leaning toward the idea that there really is a problem.
That doesn't mean I agree with the left's proposed SOLUTIONS to that problem, but I do think the right needs to stop being in simple denial mode, and start examining the data dispassionately and coming up with viable solutions that make sense from a conservative viewpoint.
| 1063 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:43:59pm |
re: #1059 Racer X
Not really. They are "helping" the planet. They could care less about humans.
They think humans are a plague upon this planet.
| 1064 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:44:04pm |
Save the Humans! The Earth can take care of itself
| 1065 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:44:34pm |
Obviously, whther the earth warms or cools, some have made up their mind that humans will be responsible. Nature, it would seem, is not a factor anymore.
| 1066 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:45:34pm |
re: #1053 Sharmuta
You will want to hit something:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
What a bunch of shameless suck-ups!
| 1067 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:45:53pm |
| 1068 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:46:09pm |
re: #1062 Charles
Now that makes me feel bad. Inhofe is a pretty good Senator other than this issue.
| 1069 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:46:13pm |
re: #1066 MandyManners
Hey- when I read that, you were the first person I thought of.
| 1070 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:46:21pm |
The key point I think that we need to remember is that economic and technological growth along with the moral and cultural benefits that accompany advanced capitalist societies are the best option for protecting the environment.
| 1072 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:47:15pm |
re: #1063 Sharmuta
They think humans are a plague upon this planet.
Then why don't they carry that through to its logical conclusion and kill themselves? (yes, I know there's an organization that promotes that - they should all join it)
| 1073 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:47:23pm |
re: #1044 jcm
So H2O, Solar cycles, orbital variation, volcanism, etc.... have no effect? How do you explain the temperature increase on the rest of the planets? SUV's on Saturn?
Mars is caused by recent dust storms. As to the other factors, they have been constants for the years the earth has warmed, CO2 has not. We know CO2 is a green house gas, we know any increase in green house gases causes warming an we know the levels are increasing. We can't be sure man is the major factor, nor how to fix it, but the rest is a slam dunk science wise.
| 1074 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:47:27pm |
re: #1037 lifeofthemind
These formulae do not take into account the effects of the radiation belts, the upper atmosphere and the curvature of the earth. The actual energy that is absorbed into the biosphere, that is the atmosphere within 3 miles of the surface and the water or land mass, is a fraction of the solar output calculated.
Actually, the solar radiation is intercepted by the full circle of the spherical earth projected on the plane of illumination. The sun is so far away that the very slight reduction of illuminated surface arising from the sun as near point-source is insignificant. I believe I mentioned earlier that some of the solar radiation is reflected. That which is not reflected is absorbed. The radiation belts tend to route particles from the solar wind into the polar regions where they produce aurora. They have little effect on the electromagnetic radiation, i.e., UV, visible light and infrared light. I believe the estimates are good (as corrected).
| 1075 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:48:08pm |
re: #1061 Basho
[Link: gristmill.grist.org...]
Rachel Carson
James Hanson
Paul R. Ehrlich
Michael E. Mann
All fools, all held in high esteem by the AGW crowd.
The correct response to cyclical climate change is not global socialism. Which is what the proponents of AGW are proposing.
| 1076 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:48:29pm |
re: #1054 nyc redneck
nycredneck -
Right now Simi is with relatives, and I have on:
1. The 'pute - in Windows Mode - No Points Tonight for Linux Use.
2. A 60 Watt Equivalent CFL.
3. "Roosevelt the Radio" - A Thomas Reproduction of a 1930's/40's
Living Room Console Unit - tuned to WABC 77 AM Radio with Mark Simone
doing the "Oldies."
Melech the Wonder Shepherd is off and on Barking at Nothing.
-S-
| 1077 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:48:31pm |
re: #916 jcm
Here's one graphed.
Carbon follows temperature in the Vostok Ice Cores
Unfortunately this doesn't tell me anything conclusive, and the article has plenty of valid cautions about drawing conclusions as well.
It is also not clear what the relative confidence levels in the two items are, given that they are estimated from different methods; but it does say that the carbon measurements are FAR LESS accurate than the temperature data. That alone makes drawing conclusions from the graphs very problematic as only a small error difference would make the whole concept of lagging or leading switch the other way.
In any case I don't see how one can directly assume a cause and effect (one being the cause and the other the effect) from graphs like this and there is one big question that it does not address, namely that of non natural (human) effects.
Past history has been natural. The question is whether one can prove that humans add new effects that are significant, and whether one can identify other new effects (EG solar radiation) that would make human effects irrelevant. Personally I am unsure, but I do know from simple personal experiences that humans can definitely change things. To what degree I am not sure.
Simply saying that temperature and carbon has varied in the past and therefore humans are irrelevant is no different than saying there is no point in talking about it.
| 1078 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:48:42pm |
re: #1072 Killer Tomato
Oh, don't be silly! Their life has value, of course. It's other people's that don't. You know, like republicans.
| 1079 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:49:04pm |
re: #1073 avanti
Dust storms cause planetary warming? Do tell.
| 1080 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:49:21pm |
If you want to save the planet, then the only way is through abundance of energy, not scarcity of energy. I can easily defend a coal power plant as reducing both green house emissions and overall pollution if I get to place it in Africa, South America, or the Sub Continent of Asia.
| 1081 |
gregg Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:49:33pm |
I live in a condo full of global warming advocates in MN. During the winter I keep my thermostat below 65F, in the summer I don't use the air conditioner. Meanwhile, my neighbors set their thermostats above 70 in the winter and run their air conditioning all summer (they've told me this and think I'm nuts). So if I understand this correctly, their one hour without lights equals what I do year round? Scr*w them.
| 1082 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:49:41pm |
re: #1032 Sharmuta
Is Mandy here?
I'm right here. What?!? Dangit! I'm using the wrong sock puppet!
////starting conspiracies.....
| 1083 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:50:28pm |
re: #1078 Sharmuta
Right. Sorry.
Mandy?
Clue by 4 to my forehead, please.
| 1084 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:50:42pm |
re: #1082 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm right here. What?!? Dangit! I'm using the wrong sock puppet!
////starting conspiracies.....
Go piss up a rope.
Wait! I'm on the wrong account again!
/
| 1086 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:51:35pm |
re: #1084 ConservatismNow!
Go piss up a rope.
Wait! I'm on the wrong account again!
/
THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!
oops
/
| 1087 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:17pm |
re: #1081 gregg
I live in a condo full of global warming advocates in MN. During the winter I keep my thermostat below 65F, in the summer I don't use the air conditioner. Meanwhile, my neighbors set their thermostats above 70 in the winter and run their air conditioning all summer (they've told me this and think I'm nuts). So if I understand this correctly, their one hour without lights equals what I do year round? Scr*w them.
*APPLAUSE*
| 1088 |
rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:22pm |
re: #1065 Salem
Obviously, whther the earth warms or cools, some have made up their mind that humans will be responsible. Nature, it would seem, is not a factor anymore.
Except for the volcanoes. And the cow farts.
| 1089 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:39pm |
| 1090 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:44pm |
re: #1077 Naso Tang
The main point is CO2 and it's part in climate change is more complex than the AGW crowd would have us believe.
It's too simplistic to say man has increased the CO2 therefore that caused the temperature increase.
Especially when the answer to their simplistic interpretation is global socialism.
| 1091 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:50pm |
re: #1085 Sharmuta
And what you can't see is in the satellite photo of Africa is the smoke from millions of wood, peat, and dung fires, nor the methane from untreated sewage pouring raw into the environment.
| 1092 |
ConservatismNow! Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:52:50pm |
| 1093 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:53:00pm |
I hope all those who didn't vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
/whoops
| 1094 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:53:51pm |
re: #1093 Sharmuta
I hope all those who didn't vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
/whoops
*WHACK*
/shit!
| 1095 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:53:55pm |
re: #1074 UncleRancher
Actually, the solar radiation is intercepted by the full circle of the spherical earth projected on the plane of illumination. The sun is so far away that the very slight reduction of illuminated surface arising from the sun as near point-source is insignificant. I believe I mentioned earlier that some of the solar radiation is reflected. That which is not reflected is absorbed. The radiation belts tend to route particles from the solar wind into the polar regions where they produce aurora. They have little effect on the electromagnetic radiation, i.e., UV, visible light and infrared light. I believe the estimates are good (as corrected).
So you say that the energy impacting on a square meter near a pole is the same as the energy impacting on a square meter near the equator? The point of radiation effect and the parallel nature of the incoming waves refers to the sun not to the earth. Our curve should reduce the effect of radiation at higher latitudes. There are offsetting complications that might make the atmosphere less of a barrier at higher latitudes.
| 1096 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:54:12pm |
| 1097 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:54:18pm |
re: #1076 Dr. Shalit
nycredneck -
Right now Simi is with relatives, and I have on:
1. The 'pute - in Windows Mode - No Points Tonight for Linux Use.
2. A 60 Watt Equivalent CFL.
3. "Roosevelt the Radio" - A Thomas Reproduction of a 1930's/40's
Living Room Console Unit - tuned to WABC 77 AM Radio with Mark Simone
doing the "Oldies."Melech the Wonder Shepherd is off and on Barking at Nothing.
i love #3.
( i listen to mark in the morning on sat. he has such a lovely voice and demeanor, tho i think he could get hostile in a second if he wanted to)right now i have on one light in the kitchen.
and yes, one lavender scented candle.-S-
| 1098 |
NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:55:30pm |
re: #516 itellu3times
Except to humans and other mammals and such, who might choke on it. I don't think we can breath 10x more CO2 than we have now, even though it's still a small number.
Currently the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is .03
We'd start having problems breathing at around 5%
Increasing atmospheric CO2 ten times to .3% would be quite an accomplishment considering that human activity is only responsible for about 3% of the .03%. Which is .0009% of the total atmospheric CO2
Even if CO2 increased to 5%, I doubt it would have much effect on climate. The thermal properties of CO2 are somewhat greater than a 78/21% nitrogen/oxygen mix, but not so much that anyone would notice at a 76/19/5% level. We'd start passing out long before we'd heat up.
| 1099 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:55:41pm |
re: #1093 Sharmuta
I hope all those who didn't vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
/whoops
I'm never happy...I'm just less unhappy
I hate the feds
| 1100 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:55:51pm |
re: #1091 Thanos
When I saw the BBC's Great Global Warming Swindle, the most shocking aspect was what the environmentalists are doing to Africa. It's utterly disgusting that a doctor in Africa would have to choose between lights or running the refrigerator to keep his medicines at the correct temperature, and all because the environuts are forcing green technology on him.
| 1101 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:55:54pm |
re: #1089 avanti
Yes
Relying on IPCC data.....like that's not politicized?
Airborne dust particles reflect sunlight.
| 1103 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:56:30pm |
re: #1094 Bloodnok
*WHACK*
/shit!
We need a Lizards Saturnalia where everyone gets to act nuts and advocate ID and birth certificates and engage in group hugs with unicorns, we need to have fun.
| 1104 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:56:36pm |
re: #1075 jcm
Rachel Carson
James Hanson
Paul R. Ehrlich
Michael E. MannAll fools, all held in high esteem by the AGW crowd.
The correct response to cyclical climate change is not global socialism. Which is what the proponents of AGW are proposing.
FCBBHO's science czar is good buddies with Ehrlich.
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
| 1105 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:56:38pm |
re: #1093 Sharmuta
I hope all those who didn't vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
/whoops
No no luv, it's like this:
I hope all those who didn't vote for John McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
:)
| 1107 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:56:58pm |
re: #1075 jcm
Rachel Carson
James Hanson
Paul R. Ehrlich
Michael E. MannAll fools, all held in high esteem by the AGW crowd.
The correct response to cyclical climate change is not global socialism. Which is what the proponents of AGW are proposing.
Well... there isn't much I can do about those individuals. Every idea is tainted by the most radical of their supporters. Climate science won't change because Ehrlich has a problem with overpopulation though...
| 1108 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:57:01pm |
| 1109 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:57:17pm |
Bad News: Scientists Make Cheap Gas From Coal
Electric cars have been getting a lot of buzz lately, but a more immediately viable transportation fuel of the future could be liquid derived from coal. Scientists have devised a new way to transform coal into gas for your car using far less energy than the current process. The advance makes scaling up the environmentally unfriendly fuel more economical than greener alternatives.
If oil prices rise again, adoption of the new coal-to-liquid technology, reported this week in Science, could undercut adoption of electric vehicles or next-generation biofuels. And that's bad news for the fight against climate change.
The new process could cut the energy cost of producing the fuel by 20 percent just by rejiggering the intermediate chemical steps, said co-author Ben Glasser of the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa. But coal-derived fuel could produce as much as twice as much CO2 as traditional petroleum fuels and at best will emit at least as much of the greenhouse gas.
We've got lots of coal.
/Obama can't be happy about this
| 1110 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:57:24pm |
re: #1069 Sharmuta
Hey- when I read that, you were the first person I thought of.
What do they hope to gain?
| 1112 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:58:07pm |
re: #1076 Dr. Shalit
that was strange. i did not sign my post to you w/ an
-S-.
don't know what happened.
| 1113 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:58:29pm |
re: #1094 Bloodnok
*WHACK*
/shit!
WE ARE MANDY MANNERS. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
| 1114 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:58:33pm |
re: #1111 Gus 802
69' Road Runner - Warming Up
[Video]
1111 is like the sign of the beast after taxes.
| 1115 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:58:35pm |
re: #1019 UncleRancher
Thanks a ton. That has been nagging at the back of my mind all day.
From now on (in my book) 1500 computer geeks = 1 big diesel.
| 1118 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:59:16pm |
re: #1109 Killian Bundy
I'm sure his staff can discover some bad environmental effects from coal mining.
| 1119 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:59:17pm |
re: #1062 Charles
Charles -
Look at it this way - the Krakatoa Eruption of the 1880's probably affected climate more in its time than man has since the beginning of the species.
Whether attributed to G-d or "Nature" - the Earth can shake off man like a dog can shake off water and dry itself. We humans are that insignificant in the great scheme of things - a humbling thought, and a rational one as well.
-S-
| 1120 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:59:21pm |
| 1121 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:59:36pm |
| 1122 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:59:59pm |
re: #1113 Slumbering Behemoth
WE ARE MANDY MANNERS. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
DO NOT TRUST SLUMBERING BEHEMOTH. HE IS MALFUNCTIONING. I AM MANDY MANNERS.
| 1123 |
UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:00:01pm |
re: #1095 lifeofthemind
So you say that the energy impacting on a square meter near a pole is the same as the energy impacting on a square meter near the equator? The point of radiation effect and the parallel nature of the incoming waves refers to the sun not to the earth. Our curve should reduce the effect of radiation at higher latitudes. There are offsetting complications that might make the atmosphere less of a barrier at higher latitudes.
Of course the energy density as projected on a square meter at the surface of the earth appears smaller as one moves toward the light/dark line. Look at the earth as a barrier. The barrier produces a round (or conical shaped) shadow. The diameter of the shadow is about 7960 miles. The total illuminated area intercepts ALL of the sunlight, some of which is absorbed in the atmosphere, and some of which is reflected, and some of which reaches the surface of the earth.
| 1124 |
NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:00:31pm |
re: #1109 Killian Bundy
Bad News: Scientists Make Cheap Gas From Coal
We've got lots of coal.
/Obama can't be happy about this
Cheap energy is bad news? Is this Bizzaro World or something?
| 1125 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:00:52pm |
re: #1107 Basho
Well... there isn't much I can do about those individuals. Every idea is tainted by the most radical of their supporters. Climate science won't change because Ehrlich has a problem with overpopulation though...
ZPG is the same bunch as AGW, also BTW you find a lot of the same names and organizations turn up in the Nuclear Freeze movement. That NF was funded in large part by the Soviets is a minor detail.
Bottom line, it's the same bunch pushing the same shit under a new color green.
That's why there called watermelons.
| 1126 |
Aviator Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:00:52pm |
re: #1109 Killian Bundy
Bad News: Scientists Make Cheap Gas From Coal
We've got lots of coal.
/Obama can't be happy about this
Just tax the bejesus out of it so it becomes economically unworkable.
| 1127 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:01:28pm |
re: #1118 jaunte
I'm sure his staff can discover some bad environmental effects from coal mining.
Thirty to fifty thousand deaths worldwide every year.
| 1128 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:01:32pm |
| 1130 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:02:38pm |
re: #1117 ploome hineni
afraid to OFFEND the muslims?
what?
embarassed to appear too Christian?
Yes.
| 1131 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:02:44pm |
re: #1127 Thanos
Definitely an area where the technology can be improved.
| 1132 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:02:45pm |
re: #1092 ConservatismNow!
And Teh Joooooooooooooooooooooooos!
Let's start a campaign to ban carbonated beverages....gotta do our part to save the planet.
| 1133 |
gregg Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:03:04pm |
One other thing. As I walked into my building tonight, I noticed a few people with their light off, but they are sitting there watching TV. I wonder how much power their turned off light bulbs consume vs their TV? My guess, they would have been better off leaving they lights on and turning off the TV. That's something we can all agree on.
| 1134 |
Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:03:12pm |
re: #1122 Bloodnok
DO NOT TRUST SLUMBERING BEHEMOTH. HE IS MALFUNCTIONING. I AM MANDY MANNERS.
DO YOU HAVE A DRYER IN YOUR HOUSE?
| 1135 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:03:42pm |
re: #1118 jaunte
I'm sure his staff can discover some bad environmental effects from coal mining.
Won't someone think of the canaries?!
| 1136 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:03:56pm |
re: #1133 gregg
One other thing. As I walked into my building tonight, I noticed a few people with their light off, but they are sitting there watching TV. I wonder how much power their turned off light bulbs consume vs their TV? My guess, they would have been better off leaving they lights on and turning off the TV. That's something we can all agree on.
television is brain dope...turn it off
| 1137 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:03:58pm |
re: #1124 NukeAtomrod
Cheap energy is bad news? Is this Bizzaro World or something?
The article is from Wired so that's expected. Add to that it's written by a San Francisco greenie: Alexis Madrigal
Note that Alexis is a he.
| 1138 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:04:30pm |
Went over to my little "watering hole" to watch the second half of the game. Back for a bit before sleep comes to claim me.
| 1139 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:04:40pm |
re: #1127 Thanos
This is interesting:
The leader of CSIRO's 'Maximising the Value of Mining' research Theme, Dr Hua Guo, says the new projects cover a wide range of issues that the industry has identified as of current concern.'One major project will develop navigation and automation systems for an underground 'continuous miner,' a type of new, self-steering, remotely supervised mining equipment that will improve both safety and efficiency,' Dr Guo says. 'It is a natural progression from our previous longwall automation work and we are very excited about it.'
[Link: www.sciencecentric.com...]
| 1140 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:02pm |
re: #1098 NukeAtomrod
Currently the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is .03
We'd start having problems breathing at around 5%
Increasing atmospheric CO2 ten times to .3% would be quite an accomplishment considering that human activity is only responsible for about 3% of the .03%. Which is .0009% of the total atmospheric CO2Even if CO2 increased to 5%, I doubt it would have much effect on climate. The thermal properties of CO2 are somewhat greater than a 78/21% nitrogen/oxygen mix, but not so much that anyone would notice at a 76/19/5% level. We'd start passing out long before we'd heat up.
Nuke Atomrod -
Want less CO2 - Plant More Trees - they breathe and trap the stuff. That is all.
-S-
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Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:04pm |
re: #1088 rawmuse
Except for the volcanoes. And the cow farts.
Of course cows wouldn't be so abundant if not for our ravenous appetite for their flesh and milk.
Anyway, there's talk about a massive sun-storm hitting us in a few years and knocking out our grid, which some predictions say would be far more devastating to us than a flooding of the coasts (and obviously worse than the improved crop conditions that would accompany warming). I'm not really convinced it would kill millions of people and plunge us into the Dark Ages even if it did fry the grid. Sounds like the same sort of hysteria that is coming from the AGWC or the Y2K clowns. Only the sun shares some of the blame, in this case, along with man and his computerization of so much of the essential infrastructure.
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:09pm |
re: #1123 UncleRancher
Of course the energy density as projected on a square meter at the surface of the earth appears smaller as one moves toward the light/dark line. Look at the earth as a barrier. The barrier produces a round (or conical shaped) shadow. The diameter of the shadow is about 7960 miles. The total illuminated area intercepts ALL of the sunlight, some of which is absorbed in the atmosphere, and some of which is reflected, and some of which reaches the surface of the earth.
Agreed, I am just unconvinced that as much energy actually has an effect on the biosphere as you seem to postulate. Not even all of the energy absorbed in the atmosphere ever gets down to the surface.
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NukeAtomrod Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:14pm |
re: #1137 Gus 802
The article is from Wired so that's expected. Add to that it's written by a San Francisco greenie: Alexis Madrigal
Note that Alexis is a he.
His parents must have hated him.
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horse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:21pm |
re: #1073 avanti
Mars is caused by recent dust storms. As to the other factors, they have been constants for the years the earth has warmed, CO2 has not. We know CO2 is a green house gas, we know any increase in green house gases causes warming an we know the levels are increasing. We can't be sure man is the major factor, nor how to fix it, but the rest is a slam dunk science wise.
There are several significant flaws in your basic linear proof that make it useless by itself: we don't know how much warming is caused directly by changes in CO2; we don't know the human component to increasing CO2, we do know there are natural balancing mechanisms that counter warming and bring temperatures back down; we do know CO2 levels are significantly below estimates for all other Ages.
So what is the "rest" that you claim is a slam dunk?
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:05:55pm |
re: #1119 Dr. Shalit
Charles -
Look at it this way - the Krakatoa Eruption of the 1880's probably affected climate more in its time than man has since the beginning of the species.
Whether attributed to G-d or "Nature" - the Earth can shake off man like a dog can shake off water and dry itself. We humans are that insignificant in the great scheme of things - a humbling thought, and a rational one as well.-S-
Not really... you should read how humans deforested large portions of Europe and Africa, completely altering the ecosystems there forever. You should read how we wiped out what was once thought to be an infinite number of passenger pigeons. And, more recently, you should read what we are currently doing to world's oceans. Don't underestimated human power, that's a foolish thing.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:06:41pm |
re: #1131 jaunte
Definitely an area where the technology can be improved.
Deaths are on the rise again -- they flattened out, but then energy demand and coal use both went up. If the enviros hadn't have stopped nuclear energy after TMI, this chart wouldn't be so ugly.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:06:44pm |
Cut the global CO2 emissions!
/suffocate the trees
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:06:50pm |
re: #1136 albusteve
television is brain dope...turn it off
It's black spray paint for your third eye.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:06:58pm |
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Steffan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:18pm |
re: #1052 Basho
Mars is warming. Human activity on Mars is something less than noticeable, and the probes we sent there don't use hydrocarbon fuels.
A founder of the Weather Channel makes the case for heliocentric GW.
There are also charts available demonstrating climate fluctuations over the last 12,000 years. Somehow, I don't think human activity had a lot of influence on the Holocene Climate Optimum of 6000-8000 years ago, or the Little Ice Age of the last millennium.
You may also want to check the Heartland Institute's proceedings of the recently-concluded International Conference on Climate Change.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:40pm |
re: #1088 rawmuse
Except for the volcanoes. And the cow farts.
How many cow farts is equal to Mt. St. Helens? Krakatoa? Mt. Redoubt?
I'm guessing "a bunch".
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:40pm |
re: #1145 Basho
Not really... you should read how humans deforested large portions of Europe and Africa, completely altering the ecosystems there forever. You should read how we wiped out what was once thought to be an infinite number of passenger pigeons. And, more recently, you should read what we are currently doing to world's oceans. Don't underestimated human power, that's a foolish thing.
pigeons are just flying rats...what's wrong with wiping them out?...they deserve it if they can't evolve any further
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:44pm |
re: #1098 NukeAtomrod
Currently the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is .03
We'd start having problems breathing at around 5%
Increasing atmospheric CO2 ten times to .3% would be quite an accomplishment considering that human activity is only responsible for about 3% of the .03%. Which is .0009% of the total atmospheric CO2Even if CO2 increased to 5%, I doubt it would have much effect on climate. The thermal properties of CO2 are somewhat greater than a 78/21% nitrogen/oxygen mix, but not so much that anyone would notice at a 76/19/5% level. We'd start passing out long before we'd heat up.
You sound like you know what you're talking about, my statement was just from something or other I'd read and don't have a pointer to, so let's say you're right, I'm all in favor of it being right.
But just because people aren't passing out, may not mean that increased CO2 is not having widespread negative effects - I believe that was the crux of whatever it was I read. For example, if there were a correlation between breathing increased CO2 and an increased disposition to vote for Obama, it would explain a lot!
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:47pm |
re: #1143 NukeAtomrod
His parents must have hated him.
Something. Usually, if he really is from Mexico as he claims, a boys name like Alex would be Alejandro.
Typical moonbat lineage.
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Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:07:54pm |
re: #1138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Went over to my little "watering hole" to watch the second half of the game. Back for a bit before sleep comes to claim me.
Well, who won?
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UncleRancher Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:08:05pm |
re: #1142 lifeofthemind
Agreed, I am just unconvinced that as much energy actually has an effect on the biosphere as you seem to postulate. Not even all of the energy absorbed in the atmosphere ever gets down to the surface.
Thank goodness for that. We would all fry. My point is there is a WHOLE LOT of energy out there. It is FREE. Why not use it? It only becomes expensive when we pay someone to concentrate it and put it in a form that will run the toaster.
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avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:08:16pm |
re: #1119 Dr. Shalit
Charles -
Look at it this way - the Krakatoa Eruption of the 1880's probably affected climate more in its time than man has since the beginning of the species.
Whether attributed to G-d or "Nature" - the Earth can shake off man like a dog can shake off water and dry itself. We humans are that insignificant in the great scheme of things - a humbling thought, and a rational one as well.-S-
The Krakatoa Eruption was a single rare even that that had a temporary effect, not a warming over a century.
"Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions. T.M.Gerlach (1991, American Geophysical Union) notes that human-made CO2 are dwarfed the estimated global release of CO2 from volcanoes by at least 150 times. The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect). Greenhouse warming of the earth has been particularly evident since 1980. Without the cooling influence of such eruptions as El Chichon (1982) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991), described below, greenhouse warming would have been more pronounced."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:08:26pm |
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:09:34pm |
For those who think that human action cannot degrtade both man and nature I give you Vaclav Havel's New Years Speech.
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Bloodnok Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:09:44pm |
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:09:59pm |
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:10:00pm |
re: #1125 jcm
ZPG is the same bunch as AGW, also BTW you find a lot of the same names and organizations turn up in the Nuclear Freeze movement. That NF was funded in large part by the Soviets is a minor detail.
Bottom line, it's the same bunch pushing the same shit under a new color green.
That's why there called watermelons.
You're right, the plot is all laid out here:
[Link: frankbi.wordpress.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:10:23pm |
re: #1147 Killian Bundy
Cut the global CO2 emissions!
/suffocate the trees
I like it, but it works better as a bumper sticker if you move it around a bit:
Suffocate the trees! Eliminate CO2 emissions!
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Wishing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:10:57pm |
re: #1158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Huh?
Yeh yeh, you were just too busy dancing like a crazy man naked on the bar to notice final score.
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:10:59pm |
Just watched McLaughlin Group.
They replayed the tape of rep. Donald Manzullo telling Geithner his plan was radical, and what did Geithner respond? "It is not radical, it is rational." Um, any reason it can't be both? Geithner increasingly strikes me as a dunce, an empty suite, a gramscian whore, a political hack.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:12:29pm |
re: #931 itellu3times
That is far from certain.
Most of our history, increased civilization requires increased energy use. NO reason to think that will change. In a thousand years, with fusion and solar and whatnot, we might be using 10x or 100x more power. Read Larry Niven's scifi and scifact articles on the topic. Read about ringworlds and dyson spheres and the puppeteer planet.
What if there is global cooling, what then? Should we suffer an ice age because "it's natural"?
The issue is not energy use. It is byproducts of energy use, or just plain population.
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Euler Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:12:30pm |
re: #1028 opilio
The incoming radiation is ~ 1Kw/m2, so after multiplying by 24h/d and 1.29x1014 m2, the units are Kwh/d, not wh/d. So which sounds better: 3 trillion MWh/d or 3 billion GWh/d?
I agree with the rough 1kw/m2 figure for the energy flux from the sun at the Earth's orbital distance.
Indeed, the luminosity of the sun is p = 384.6 x 1024 watts.
The average radius of the Earth’s orbit (1 AU) is r = 149.60 x 109 meters. So the sun’s energy flux at the Earth, in watts/meter2, is p/(4*pi*r2) = 1367 w/m2 .
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:12:35pm |
re: #1165 itellu3times
Just watched McLaughlin Group.
They replayed the tape of rep. Donald Manzullo telling Geithner his plan was radical, and what did Geithner respond? "It is not radical, it is rational." Um, any reason it can't be both? Geithner increasingly strikes me as a dunce, an empty suite, a gramscian whore, a political hack.
Another triumph of credentials over achievement.
He is like his boss, a good story that has fallen uphill.
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:12:54pm |
re: #1165 itellu3times
Just watched McLaughlin Group.
They replayed the tape of rep. Donald Manzullo telling Geithner his plan was radical, and what did Geithner respond? "It is not radical, it is rational." Um, any reason it can't be both? Geithner increasingly strikes me as a dunce, an empty suite, a gramscian whore, a political hack.
Geithner is a waste of assembled atoms. He'd make a better rock or something.
//
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Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:13:02pm |
re: #1135 Sharmuta
Sharm are you still on line?
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:13:49pm |
re: #1145 Basho
Basho, you're using one of the oldest tropes in the book. Humans ARE Nature. When we alter our environment to suit our needs we're no different than insects who destroy trees because they have to in order to survive. It is their purpose, in fact.
You can no more fault a human for burning some of the Earth's resources than you can blame any other organism for eating or building it's home out of other Earth resources.
Energy conservation is not a "pro-Nature" proposition until the artificial "green" morality is injected into the discussion.
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:13:56pm |
re: #1162 Basho
You're right, the plot is all laid out here:
[Link: frankbi.wordpress.com...]
Not a conspiracy, just people driven by political ideology glomming on to the latest trend to expand their vision.
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BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:14:13pm |
re: #1145 Basho
Not really... you should read how humans deforested large portions of Europe and Africa, completely altering the ecosystems there forever. You should read how we wiped out what was once thought to be an infinite number of passenger pigeons. And, more recently, you should read what we are currently doing to world's oceans. Don't underestimated human power, that's a foolish thing.
That's a long time....I can guarantee you that we (humans) won't be here forever.
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:15:12pm |
re: #1173 Lincolntf
Finally. A high rise is no different from a termite mound or a wasps nest. A high rise is a creation of man: ergo a high rise is a structure of nature.
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Wendya Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:15:43pm |
re: #819 avanti
There's the problem in a nutshell. If it was Newt that backed the AGW issue from the start, the right might accept the science. It's the best weapon the creationists have to use. If you can disregard the science on AGW, why not do so on evolution.
Logic is not your forte.
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hopperandadropper Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:16:15pm |
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with... who?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:16:18pm |
re: #1028 opilio
The incoming radiation is ~ 1Kw/m2, so after multiplying by 24h/d and 1.29x1014 m2, the units are Kwh/d, not wh/d. So which sounds better: 3 trillion MWh/d or 3 billion GWh/d?
That's what she said.
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:16:29pm |
re: #1176 Gus 802
Finally. A high rise is no different from a termite mound or a wasps nest. A high rise is a creation of man: ergo a high rise is a structure of nature.
A line of argument perfected by 20 year old males attempting to convince a female to "get natural."
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David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:16:47pm |
Long, but worth it. Saving Afghanistan:
And yet the military situation in Afghanistan is not nearly as dire as the one in Iraq on the eve of the surge in late 2006. Civilian casualties, despite rising 40 percent since 2007, are still 16 times lower than in pre-surge Iraq. Even today, with Iraq clearly on the mend and out of the news, it still accounts for twice as many civilian casualties as Afghanistan. Despite the disappointment with the American-led coalition, fewer than ten percent of the Afghan population support the Taliban, according to recent polling; neither do the Taliban and the other anti-government insurgents have a unifying or charismatic leader. There is no Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, or even a Muqtada al-Sadr. While resilient—that is, able to quickly replace leaders who are killed—the Taliban are not resurgent as news reports have claimed. The capital of Kabul has never been in danger of falling, notwithstanding periodic, spectacular attacks that energize the world media, such as those against the Indian Embassy and the Serena Hotel in Kabul, as well as the one on February 11 in which three ministries were targeted. In fact, that last attack was seen as a victory for the government because the ministries were quickly retaken by the Afghan army and police with little help from the NATO coalition. As American commanders repeatedly told me and three other reporters during a week of travel, a Taliban victory is not only not inevitable, “it is not even probable.” Moreover, despite the boomlet of stories comparing Afghanistan to Vietnam, the home front in America is not nearly in the same degree of turmoil over this war as it was over the one in Iraq three years ago. Finally, the Americans, in spite of all the reports of civilian casualties from air strikes, are still the most popular outsider in the eyes of Afghans, says Christopher Alexander of the United Nations office in Kabul.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:17:01pm |
re: #1100 Sharmuta
In the early nineties, I evaluated a solar lighting project in pre-Madonna Malawi that funded by a northern European donor agency. The project was supposed to provide lighting for rural clinics, but after three years, none of the systems worked. Someone forgot that storage batteries wear out, more quickly if people don't know how to maintain them, and must be replaced. As it turned out, it would have been far more "sustainable" to use the money to buy kerosene. The funds could have purchased about a ten year supply of fuel for lights.
During the evaluation, I traveled with a representative of the aid agency, an airhead Euro-enviro bitch goddess. As we drove through the rural countryside, I mentioned that the country really needed was investment in and expansion of the electricity supply gird, to which she replied, "what these people really need is clothes - just look at the rags they are wearing."
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:17:16pm |
re: #1180 lifeofthemind
A line of argument perfected by 20 year old males attempting to convince a female to "get natural."
Whatever works.
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:17:30pm |
re: #1157 avanti
The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect)
Its not like volcanoes are the only way to create a haze that cools. Human activity creates the haze effect as well. The Asian Brown Cloud is a good example. Eww.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:18:23pm |
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
For every AGW stupidity, apparently we will get something like this.
/the pain, the pain
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:19:08pm |
re: #1182 shiek al beif salami
I think it's criminal what the enviro-whacknuts are doing to Africa.
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:19:29pm |
re: #1150 Steffan
lol
The Heartland Institute? Really?re: #1173 Lincolntf
Basho, you're using one of the oldest tropes in the book. Humans ARE Nature. When we alter our environment to suit our needs we're no different than insects who destroy trees because they have to in order to survive. It is their purpose, in fact.
You can no more fault a human for burning some of the Earth's resources than you can blame any other organism for eating or building it's home out of other Earth resources.
Energy conservation is not a "pro-Nature" proposition until the artificial "green" morality is injected into the discussion.
I could go all Matrix on you and say humans are a virus, but that would be just as silly.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:19:45pm |
re: #1184 Mich-again
Its not like volcanoes are the only way to create a haze that cools. Human activity creates the haze effect as well. The Asian Brown Cloud is a good example. Eww.
In some humidity conditions, it forms haze. It is created by a range of airborne particles and pollutants from combustion (e.g. woodfires, cars, and factories), biomass burning[3] and industrial processes with incomplete burning.[4] The cloud is associated with winter monsoon (November/December to April) during which there is no rain to wash pollutants from the air.
Similar cloud in Mexico as well.
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avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:19:46pm |
You may also want to check the Heartland Institute's proceedings of the recently-concluded International Conference on Climate Change.
The Heartland Institute is partially funded by Exxon and the tobacco companies. They also dispute any health effects of second hand smoke and most anything you'll fund I imagine.
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:20:33pm |
re: #1188 Basho
Damn... sorry about that. Accidentally combined multiple posts. This auto feature goes too fast.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:18pm |
re: #1187 Sharmuta
I think it's criminal what the enviro-whacknuts are doing to Africa.
Things get worse when people find out they are naked. Up until then? They're cool with it.
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:26pm |
If the haze from all the air pollution is cooling the earth maybe its a good thing the extra CO2 is holding in heat.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:28pm |
Abundant nuclear energy solves a lot of these problems, the argument hasn't changed much from the days when the anti-nuke crowd was chanting "split wood, not atoms" .... something they wouldn't be caught dead saying now, but they still like biomass...
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:42pm |
re: #1184 Mich-again
Its not like volcanoes are the only way to create a haze that cools. Human activity creates the haze effect as well. The Asian Brown Cloud is a good example. Eww.
Then there was the "nuclear Winter" scare to gin up hysteria for the soviet inspired campaign for nuclear disarmament and against the Pershing missiles that did much to peacefully break the USSR and end the Cold War.
We don't know if a Defcon 1 war would warm or cool the planet. Who's up for an experiment in the name of science?
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:51pm |
re: #1163 Slumbering Behemoth
I like it, but it works better as a bumper sticker if you move it around a bit:
Suffocate the trees! Eliminate CO2 emissions!
Slumbering Behemoth -
I like it except for length, "whaddabout" - CHOKE THE TREES - NO CO2! - ?
-S-
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:21:52pm |
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Van Helsing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:05pm |
re: #1125 jcm
ZPG is the same bunch as AGW, also BTW you find a lot of the same names and organizations turn up in the Nuclear Freeze movement. That NF was funded in large part by the Soviets is a minor detail.
Bottom line, it's the same bunch pushing the same shit under a new color green.
That's why there called watermelons.
Or commie rat bastards.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:08pm |
re: #516 itellu3times
Except to humans and other mammals and such, who might choke on it. I don't think we can breath 10x more CO2 than we have now, even though it's still a small number.
Have you never slept under your covers? If yes, did you survive?
Typically the gas we exhale is about 4% to 5% carbon dioxide and 4% to 5% less oxygen than was inhaled.
[Link: www.answers.com...]
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:11pm |
re: #1090 jcm
The main point is CO2 and it's part in climate change is more complex than the AGW crowd would have us believe.
It's too simplistic to say man has increased the CO2 therefore that caused the temperature increase.
Especially when the answer to their simplistic interpretation is global socialism.
I'm sure that we could redraw those graphs and put in H2O and/or Nitrogen percentages and they would tell the same story. The point is not history, but whether we can or cannot make history.
You cannot dismiss the issue simply by saying it is simplistic, you have to show that there is no way humans can have an effect on climate.
Saying that, for example, God would not allow it isn't good enough. Neither is saying that it leads to socialism whether that is true or not. It is irrelevant to the original issue.
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:13pm |
re: #1145 Basho
I've lived and traveled all over Africa and the trees seem to be doing o.k. Europe looks pretty good, too.
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Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:16pm |
Just got back from a spin (1st motorcycle ride of the year.)
Didn't see any blacked out areas. Just business as usual.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:22:56pm |
re: #1193 Mich-again
If the haze from all the air pollution is cooling the earth maybe its a good thing the extra CO2 is holding in heat.
Without the greenhouse effect itself (not AGW, just plain greenhouse effect) the oceans would be blocks of ice almost all the way down.
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Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:23:05pm |
re: #1193 Mich-again
If the haze from all the air pollution is cooling the earth maybe its a good thing the extra CO2 is holding in heat.
Yeah, the whole dimming sun effect. Warming might be worse without it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:23:31pm |
re: #1196 Dr. Shalit
We are refining a meme. Nice.
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itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:23:46pm |
re: #1167 Naso Tang
The issue is not energy use. It is byproducts of energy use, or just plain population.
That was the puppeteer planet story - they used so much energy (from fusion and maybe antimatter anihilation) and had so many waste products, that the input from the sun became an inconvenience, and anyway they were an old race and their sun was starting to expand, so they first moved the planet outwards, and then moved it entirely away from the home star!
BTW, you have any links for the effects of increased CO2 on respiration? Google doesn't seem to be leading very easily to anything useful.
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afrocity Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:24:12pm |
Evening Lizards. I did not participate in Earth Hour.
I feel bad about it too.
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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:24:13pm |
re: #1192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What they're really doing is keeping African economies from developing, and thus allowing Africans to improve their own standards of living for themselves. They are fostering dependence and poverty, not enabling independence and economic growth. Frankly- it's more than criminal, I think it's racist.
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:24:22pm |
re: #1195 lifeofthemind
We don't know if a Defcon 1 war would warm or cool the planet. Who's up for an experiment in the name of science?
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:24:23pm |
re: #1182 shiek al beif salami
During the evaluation, I traveled with a representative of the aid agency, an airhead Euro-enviro bitch goddess. As we drove through the rural countryside, I mentioned that the country really needed was investment in and expansion of the electricity supply gird, to which she replied, "what these people really need is clothes - just look at the rags they are wearing."
Bet she pays extra for "Distressed" pre torn ethnic tribal casual fashion wear.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:01pm |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:14pm |
re: #1202 Boxy_brown
Just got back from a spin (1st motorcycle ride of the year.)
/must be tough finding a helmet that fits
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:28pm |
re: #1204 Thanos
Without the greenhouse effect itself (not AGW, just plain greenhouse effect) the oceans would be blocks of ice almost all the way down.
Ice Nine!
| 1215 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:34pm |
re: #1176 Gus 802
It's only hard for them to understand this stuff because they desperately don't want to.
| 1216 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:49pm |
re: #1211 lifeofthemind
Bet she pays extra for "Distressed" pre torn ethnic tribal casual fashion wear.
Did you know you can buy guitars like that now?
| 1218 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:54pm |
re: #1212 OldLineTexan
Nice. I'm late to the thread.
Yeah. I already started and went out to burn some gasoline and pick up some grub in between.
| 1219 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:25:55pm |
re: #1203 Iron Fist
Consider the cost in lives from the anti-DDT/pro-malaria movement. It is perhaps less calculated than what Stalin or Hitler did, but the death toll is still in that league (roughly one million people a year, IIRC).
| 1220 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:26:13pm |
re: #1209 Sharmuta
They do the same thing here and they're trying to do it on a grand scale.
| 1222 |
Silvergirl Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:26:38pm |
re: #1175 BignJames
That's a long time....I can guarantee you that we (humans) won't be here forever.
Now how I am going to collect on that guarantee?
| 1223 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:26:56pm |
re: #1186 ploome hineni
I'm glad I'm not a member of the Church of England. I'm one of those pesky Lutherans.
| 1225 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:03pm |
| 1226 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:09pm |
re: #1220 Killer Tomato
It is the same thing they've done here, except in the case of Africa, it's an entire continent!
| 1228 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:22pm |
re: #1177 Wendya
Logic is not your forte.
Here's the logic. A unpopular figure on the left promotes AGW with some over the top "sky is falling" hysteria and the right puts up a mind block of any rational AGW discussion.
If a popular figure on the right encourages a discussion that might change, even on a blog. Charles seems open to a discussion that might help sort through the hype on both sides and come up with the facts. NYC won't be underwater in 10 years, nor is AGW a socialist conspiracy to destroy the worlds economy.
| 1229 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:35pm |
re: #1192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm more concerned that we are adopting the worst of African political culture, like our legislators-for-life Nancy "Mugabe" Pelosi, Barney "Mobutu" Frank, and Chris "cannibal dictator Bokassa" Dodds.
| 1230 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:36pm |
The cause of global warming doesn't matter if the portion we can control--CO2--and the couple degrees change it's purported to be able to cause do not harm us .
| 1231 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:41pm |
re: #1208 afrocity
Evening Lizards. I did not participate in Earth Hour.
I feel bad about it too.
We did. We shut all the lights off, turned off the TV and the computer and even unplugged all the clocks and the furnace.
or not.
| 1232 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:27:55pm |
re: #1215 Lincolntf
It's only hard for them to understand this stuff because they desperately don't want to.
Indeed. That notion is universally rejected by the left. I don't understand why it's rejected. Humans are a species as they say and our products and structures are a natural creation therein.
| 1233 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:28:01pm |
re: #1213 Killian Bundy
/must be tough finding a helmet that fits
Arai size XL.
You calling me a fat head? :-D
| 1234 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:28:13pm |
re: #1199 abolitionist
Have you never slept under your covers? If yes, did you survive?
Survive? Yes. Run a marathon at 5%? Take a test at 5%? Ever fall asleep in a crowded room with bad ventilation? My guess is that never gets above 1%, or maybe 0.1%, but it still has effects that might be unfortunate if they were very widespread.
| 1235 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:28:19pm |
Only about 65 minutes until I turn off all my lights for an hour, strip naked, smother myself in mustard, and run around in circles screaming "DON'T FEED THE AARDVARKS"!
Anyway, what is this "Earth Hour" thing everyone is talking about?
//
| 1237 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:28:39pm |
| 1238 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:29:01pm |
re: #1211 lifeofthemind
and leather-wood jewelry made by third-world peoples.
| 1239 |
itellu3times Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:29:20pm |
re: #1208 afrocity
Evening Lizards. I did not participate in Earth Hour.
I feel bad about it too.
Venus hour coming up, get ready!
| 1240 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:29:42pm |
re: #1223 Macker
I'm one of those pesky Lutherans.
Obama gets list of top Muslim Americans
/sorry, Obama's looking to hire Muslims
| 1241 |
Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:29:56pm |
re: #1221 Iron Fist
Anyone that claims that they are worried over AGW who is also against nuclear power automatically loses all credibility in my eyes. Ditto the people who only want to shackle the American Economy with carbon shackles but are all for China continuing as she is today. Such people aren't serious, or, perhaps more accurately, aren't trying to solve the "problem" that they claim they are.
That would be all of Al Gore's organization, WE... the leadership is literally laced with life-long anti-nuke advocates.
| 1242 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:29:56pm |
re: #1187 Sharmuta
Sharm, you might want to check out the comment section over at the Cookbook site (cover art). I don't think you posted what I just saw there.
Especially in light of your post in the cookbook thread.
/ So call me paranoid
| 1243 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:30:03pm |
| 1244 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:30:05pm |
re: #1222 Silvergirl
Now how I am going to collect on that guarantee?
I don't know.
I heard this evening (regarding the economy) that there are 2 kinds of people....those that don't know and those that don't know they don't know.
| 1245 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:30:07pm |
| 1246 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:30:22pm |
re: #1238 shiek al beif salami
and leather-wood jewelry made by third-world peoples.
In a chinese prison camp, distributed by a former hot tub salesman from New Jersey.
| 1247 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:30:51pm |
re: #1193 Mich-again
If the haze from all the air pollution is cooling the earth maybe its a good thing the extra CO2 is holding in heat.
That issue was discussed on one of the science channels. Pollutants in the upper atmosphere is trying to cool the earth, once we clean up pollution, the planet might warm even faster.
| 1248 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:31:05pm |
re: #1243 OldLineTexan
No, so far AGW is a conspiracy to make money.
Seems to be working, too.
And control people.
| 1249 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:31:18pm |
re: #1226 Sharmuta
Yeah. All they cause is massive misery, but the important thing is they feeeeeeel good about themselves.
| 1250 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:31:47pm |
re: #1232 Gus 802
They put the lie to their own beliefs every time they declare that "too many humans" is the problem.
Frighteningly enough, that despicable meme has become common in both the press and a certain Party's politics.
| 1251 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:32:01pm |
re: #1221 Iron Fist
Such people aren't serious, or, perhaps more accurately, aren't trying to solve the "problem" that they claim they are.
They don't want to solve the problem. They want to use it for political gain. They could give a crap about actually solving the problem.
| 1252 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:32:46pm |
re: #1247 avanti
Seems there was a lot of pollution over the midwest last week.
| 1254 |
Catttt Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:33:31pm |
re: #863 Killgore Trout
We were just doing some pasta talk. I just talked Wishing into buying and Atlas hand cranked pasta roller.
I still have mine. Haven't used it in a while.....
| 1255 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:34:11pm |
re: #1252 shiek al beif salami
Seems there was a lot of pollution over the midwest last week.
Yeah. I'm supposed to get 3-5 inches of global warming by tomorrow here in Wisconsin.
| 1256 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:34:50pm |
re: #1255 BryanS
Yeah. I'm supposed to get 3-5 inches of global warming by tomorrow here in Wisconsin.
be thankful...it's water after all
| 1257 |
Van Helsing Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:34:55pm |
re: #1251 Mich-again
They don't want to solve the problem. They want to use it for political gain. They could give a crap about actually solving the problem.
If they cared about solving the problem they would do things besides use Hansen's discredited computer models.
If they really were interested in helping the world they would find ways to live with climate change and develop crops and farming practices for the third world that might let them live at something other than a subsistence level.
Cheap energy can do so much for a standard of living.
| 1258 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:03pm |
re: #1250 Lincolntf
They put the lie to their own beliefs every time they declare that "too many humans" is the problem.
Frighteningly enough, that despicable meme has become common in both the press and a certain Party's politics.
I imagine controlling population would be by having a government body controlling birth rates of the population. Depending on how shrill the existing leftist masses get their way. It may include forced sterilization and abortions. Might sound off the wall now but looking 100 years ahead and seeing how things are already I wouldn't put it past them.
| 1259 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:04pm |
re: #1242 Bubblehead II
Sharm, you might want to check out the comment section over at the Cookbook site (cover art). I don't think you posted what I just saw there.
Especially in light of your post in the cookbook thread.
/ So call me paranoid
Oh, no- that was me. I really thought everyone would get the satire.
| 1260 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:13pm |
re: #1203 Iron Fist
BTW, my Father-in-law is the toughest son of a bitch I ever met. Korea, Chosin Reservoir survivor.
Malaria sufferer. Knocks the ever loving shit out of him once a year or so. It must be awful.
Hell, if I go to the bank and dry cleaners in the same day, I need a nap.
| 1261 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:15pm |
If it is still snowing when tax day comes around can you ask for a rebate on the Obama Energy Taxes?
| 1262 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:19pm |
re: #1247 avanti
Hey avanti. I'm going to leave in a few so I might have to quit this. Good luck, dude.
| 1263 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:41pm |
re: #1243 OldLineTexan
No, so far AGW is a conspiracy to make money.
Seems to be working, too.
OK, I need to ask. How did the AGW conspiracy get the bulk of support from the climate scientists, NASA, NOA, the EPA and the rest ? Does each scientist that does a AGW paper get a check from someone in the solar panel industry or something. If anything, the money is behind the fossil fuel anti AGW guys.
| 1264 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:41pm |
re: #1245 albusteve
god one...makes as much sense
Venus hour is fun, but Mars hour is where it's at.
| 1265 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:35:57pm |
....cringe.....
So, how about those blue dog democrats?
| 1266 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:01pm |
re: #1200 Naso Tang
I'm sure that we could redraw those graphs and put in H2O and/or Nitrogen percentages and they would tell the same story. The point is not history, but whether we can or cannot make history.
You cannot dismiss the issue simply by saying it is simplistic, you have to show that there is no way humans can have an effect on climate.
Saying that, for example, God would not allow it isn't good enough. Neither is saying that it leads to socialism whether that is true or not. It is irrelevant to the original issue.
I don't dismiss it.
The question is what is man's effect on the climate cycle. We don't know for sure.
The next question is what do we do about it? Do we dramatically alter societies, do we adapt, or do nothing?
One side says the debate is closed and we have to act dramatically now. The scientific debate is far from closed, and what to do about even more an open question.
| 1267 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:19pm |
re: #1247 avanti
That issue was discussed on one of the science channels. Pollutants in the upper atmosphere is trying to cool the earth, once we clean up pollution, the planet might warm even faster.
Then why clean up air pollution if it will just accelerate global warming?
| 1268 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:22pm |
re: #1259 Sharmuta
I did. Immediately. But, was nice for someone to make sure, huh?
| 1269 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:39pm |
re: #1255 BryanS
Sometimes I wonder if the AGW theory has a snowball's chance in hell of being right, especially after the last two winters in my neck of the woods.
| 1270 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:50pm |
Lights are on in Denver. The houses and the high rises are still lit up.
| 1271 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:36:53pm |
re: #1207 itellu3times
That was the puppeteer planet story - they used so much energy (from fusion and maybe antimatter anihilation) and had so many waste products, that the input from the sun became an inconvenience, and anyway they were an old race and their sun was starting to expand, so they first moved the planet outwards, and then moved it entirely away from the home star!
Love that series. The Ringworld concept was too cool.
BTW, you have any links for the effects of increased CO2 on respiration? Google doesn't seem to be leading very easily to anything useful.
All I know about is the paper bag cure for hiccups.
;)
| 1272 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:37:12pm |
re: #1249 Killer Tomato
Yeah. All they cause is massive misery, but the important thing is they feeeeeeel good about themselves.
Feeling like one has helped allows one to avoid examining if they actually have helped.
| 1273 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:37:34pm |
re: #1248 Gus 802
And control people.
Mao was only partly right.
Power may grow from the barrel of a gun, but it is kept with money.
Money makes power ... ask George Soros.
| 1274 |
Optimizer Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:37:49pm |
re: #1095 lifeofthemind
So you say that the energy impacting on a square meter near a pole is the same as the energy impacting on a square meter near the equator? The point of radiation effect and the parallel nature of the incoming waves refers to the sun not to the earth. Our curve should reduce the effect of radiation at higher latitudes. There are offsetting complications that might make the atmosphere less of a barrier at higher latitudes.
Math nerds like myself nod with approval when we see someone like UncleRancher get it right. We notice that he uses the cross-sectional area (pi*R*R), rather than the surface area of a sphere (4*pi*R*R), specifically to avoid worrying about what you bring up. It's a beautiful thing!
Hey, if you want to go for a little more accuracy, we can talk about the Earth being ellipsoidal! But I think his point has been made without that. :(
| 1275 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:37:55pm |
re: #1208 afrocity
Evening Lizards. I did not participate in Earth Hour.
I feel bad about it too.
LOL. I can feel the guilt just radiating out from my monitor.
| 1276 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:38:20pm |
re: #1258 Gus 802
Overpopulation takes care of itself as people move out of poverty.
| 1277 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:38:24pm |
re: #1267 Mich-again
Then why clean up air pollution if it will just accelerate global warming?
lol
That's one of the predicaments. Science only describes reality, not make it perfect.
| 1278 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:38:52pm |
re: #1273 OldLineTexan
Mao was only partly right.
Power may grow from the barrel of a gun, but it is kept with money.
Money makes power ... ask George Soros.
Money and culture. Culture being controlled by the mass media. Soros of course contribute to the new left causes with Maoist tendencies.
| 1279 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:39:00pm |
re: #1273 OldLineTexan
Mao was only partly right.
Power may grow from the barrel of a gun, but it is kept with money.
Money makes power ... ask George Soros.
ask the IRS or a senator or the feds in general...maybe the UN, ask them
| 1280 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:39:09pm |
re: #1268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did. Immediately. But, was nice for someone to make sure, huh?
It's very sweet to know that Lizards look out for other Lizards, yes.
| 1281 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:39:40pm |
re: #1247 avanti
That issue was discussed on one of the science channels. Pollutants in the upper atmosphere is trying to cool the earth, once we clean up pollution, the planet might warm even faster.
Then get to work on China. Once their pollution problem is under control, we'll start to worry about human production of carbon dioxide.
| 1282 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:39:49pm |
re: #1263 avanti
OK, I need to ask. How did the AGW conspiracy get the bulk of support from the climate scientists, NASA, NOA, the EPA and the rest ? Does each scientist that does a AGW paper get a check from someone in the solar panel industry or something. If anything, the money is behind the fossil fuel anti AGW guys.
Research and grant money for scientific inquiries not in favor of commercial interests almost exclusively comes from the government. In fact, scientists who want to test hypotheses that would cast doubt on global warming find funding difficult.
| 1283 |
sprucepinehollow Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:19pm |
| 1284 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:32pm |
re: #1255 BryanS
Yeah. I'm supposed to get 3-5 inches of global warming by tomorrow here in Wisconsin.
Those on the right need to learn not to make illogical comments like that. It's global warming, and it's cold or snowed today in Podunk, does not prove anything.
| 1285 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:33pm |
re: #1259 Sharmuta
Ok, just call me dense then. :-)
/ Or paranoid
Working on two recipes to send her.
Lasagna and Honey Dijon Chicken
| 1287 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:35pm |
re: #1237 OldLineTexan
I can't type on the things. Sausage fingers. ;)
I haven't measured, but the keyboard is supposed to be 95% of normal size. I don't notice the difference much, but I like the way I can just pick it up and surf during TV commercials, or multitask during Lost..
| 1288 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:55pm |
re: #1281 funky chicken
I was under the impression that the Chinese are also pretty much human, aren't they?
| 1289 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:40:55pm |
re: #1282 BryanS
Research and grant money for scientific inquiries not in favor of commercial interests almost exclusively comes from the government. In fact, scientists who want to test hypotheses that would cast doubt on global warming find funding difficult.
I can't believe he asked that question...good lord
| 1290 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:41:15pm |
re: #1282 BryanS
In fact, scientists who want to test hypotheses that would cast doubt on global warming find funding difficult.
Uh huh.....
| 1293 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:41:52pm |
re: #1280 Sharmuta
Ahem...then... "Thank you Bubblehead II." is in order, don'tcha think.
I am the manners police.
/
| 1294 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:42:31pm |
re: #1276 shiek al beif salami
Overpopulation takes care of itself as people move out of poverty.
True. Financially successful people naturally have smaller families. Most of the over-population is from poorer societies. More or less.
| 1295 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:42:38pm |
re: #1257 Van Helsing
If they cared about solving the problem they would do things besides use Hansen's discredited computer models.
If they really were interested in helping the world they would find ways to live with climate change and develop crops and farming practices for the third world that might let them live at something other than a subsistence level.
Cheap energy can do so much for a standard of living.
If they really believed what they say, would they all fly around in private jets and live in huge mansions? Or would they build homes like GW Bush did on his ranch?
Once Leo DiCaprio sells his 20,000 sq foot estate, and once Al Gore trims back to only one energy-hog mansion, I'll take them seriously.
| 1296 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:42:44pm |
Oops. Gotta run. Sleep just came to claim me.
G'night John-Boy!
| 1297 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:42:51pm |
re: #1284 avanti
Those on the right need to learn not to make illogical comments like that. It's global warming, and it's cold or snowed today in Podunk, does not prove anything.
eh...wouldn't call Madison Podunk. But anyway, it was a quip, not a serious criticism.
| 1299 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:43:22pm |
re: #1294 Gus 802
And the hippies are trying to keep them poor.
| 1300 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:43:26pm |
re: #1258 Gus 802
It does sound crazy to talk about sterilization and forced abortions. Until you go look at China and other countries where it's the norm.
People advocating for less heat and less light would have sounded insane 100 years ago, but here we are.
| 1301 |
rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:43:34pm |
Rawmuse is not anti-environment. I have recycled since way before the city issued special bins. I have carried my own canvas grocery bags to the store for decades, just because the paper and plastic ones rip and spill my groceries.
When I was a kid, we did not have garbage collection. We burned it our backyards in 50 gallon steel barrels (which would turn red when you lit them up) except for valuable junk, which we sold to an old guy that came around every 2 weeks on a wagon pulled by a mule, who also ran a knife sharpening operation on the same wagon.
| 1302 |
HelloDare Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:43:34pm |
re: #1157 avanti
The Krakatoa Eruption was a single rare even that that had a temporary effect, not a warming over a century.
"Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions. T.M.Gerlach (1991, American Geophysical Union) notes that human-made CO2 are dwarfed the estimated global release of CO2 from volcanoes by at least 150 times. The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect). Greenhouse warming of the earth has been particularly evident since 1980. Without the cooling influence of such eruptions as El Chichon (1982) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991), described below, greenhouse warming would have been more pronounced."
The eruption of Krakatoa was not a single rare event. That volcano alone erupted with catastrophic consequences in the years 416, 535, 1680 and 1883. The last eruption affected the climate for several years.
And it's not CO2 from eruptions that significantly changed the climate. It the particulate matter that's added to the atmosphere.
I don't have time to do research right now but I believe the 535 AD eruption is blamed it for a bunch of world-wide climate changing events like heavy snowfall in the northern hemisphere, change in rainfall, even famine.
And Krakatoa is just one volcano.
| 1303 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:44:35pm |
re: #1267 Mich-again
Then why clean up air pollution if it will just accelerate global warming?
It's just proof of what a complicated climate system we are dealing with. We might pollute enough to cancel out some warming, and we can't just reduce particulate pollution and not deal with C02 reduction. The good news is, less fossil fuel use, will reduce both.
| 1304 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:44:44pm |
re: #1284 avanti
Those on the right need to learn not to make illogical comments like that. It's global warming, and it's cold or snowed today in Podunk, does not prove anything.
Heehee!
What, are you going to "report" him or something?
And stop telling people what to think say and do.
| 1305 |
sprucepinehollow Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:44:51pm |
re: #1292 jcm
I was worried more about the ignition system on my Merc 20
| 1306 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:45:08pm |
re: #1260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hell, if I go to the bank and dry cleaners in the same day, I need a nap.
It's your diet, son. Swing by my place with a twelve pack and I'll que you up a tri-tip that will set you right.
/
| 1307 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:45:18pm |
re: #1302 HelloDare
Tambora was another:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 1308 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:45:26pm |
re: #1300 Lincolntf
It does sound crazy to talk about sterilization and forced abortions. Until you go look at China and other countries where it's the norm.
People advocating for less heat and less light would have sounded insane 100 years ago, but here we are.
I forgot to mention the China example. Of course the "admire" the Peoples Party of China so you can see where all of this might end. 100 years is a long time to see these changes take effect if the alarmists are allowed to rule the day.
| 1309 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:45:40pm |
re: #1288 shiek al beif salami
I was under the impression that the Chinese are also pretty much human, aren't they?
Yep, but their particulate pollution and toxic substance pollution (sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides, etc) is a much larger threat to the environment than carbon dioxide.
It's stupid to cripple the US economy chasing the ghost of carbon dioxide if China doesn't fix its environmental problems.
| 1310 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:46:00pm |
re: #1293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No thanks needed. Just wanted her to be aware that someone might have nicked her Nic so she and Rein could take appropriate action.
| 1311 |
Basho Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:46:08pm |
re: #1304 Racer X
And stop telling people what to think say and do.
Didn't you just tell him what to say and do with that line?
| 1312 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:46:41pm |
re: #1297 BryanS
eh...wouldn't call Madison Podunk. But anyway, it was a quip, not a serious criticism.
Nor was picking a random Podunk a slam for Madison. :)
| 1314 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:47:10pm |
re: #1263 avanti
OK, I need to ask. How did the AGW conspiracy get the bulk of support from the climate scientists, NASA, NOA, the EPA and the rest ? Does each scientist that does a AGW paper get a check from someone in the solar panel industry or something. If anything, the money is behind the fossil fuel anti AGW guys.
And I'll answer with a question ... what proves that the warming trend (if any, remember we were entering an ice age in the '70's) is man-caused? How many of these scientists are proving the case?
But how many Al Gores are out there pushing "solutions" at a profit?
The "evil oil company" meme is threadbare.
| 1315 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:47:25pm |
| 1316 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:47:37pm |
Vast spy system loots computers in 103 countries
A vast electronic spying operation has infiltrated computers and has stolen documents from hundreds of government and private offices around the world, including those of the Dalai Lama, Canadian researchers have concluded.
In a report to be issued this weekend, the researchers said that the system was being controlled from computers based almost exclusively in China, but that they could not say conclusively that the Chinese government was involved.
The researchers, who are based at the Munk Center for International Studies at the University of Toronto, had been asked by the office of the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan leader whom China regularly denounces, to examine its computers for signs of malicious software, or malware.
Their sleuthing opened a window into a broader operation that, in less than two years, has infiltrated at least 1,295 computers in 103 countries, including many belonging to embassies, foreign ministries and other government offices, as well as the Dalai Lama's Tibetan exile centers in India, Brussels, London, and New York.
/yeah, I'm sure the Chinese government has nothing to do with it
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:47:42pm |
re: #1301 rawmuse
I go shopping in a Honda Insight the size and color of a red jerry can, and I really get pissed off when Lincoln Navigators with Obama '08 and Greenpeace bumper stickers try to crush me.
| 1318 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:47:52pm |
re: #1303 avanti
It's just proof of what a complicated climate system we are dealing with. We might pollute enough to cancel out some warming, and we can't just reduce particulate pollution and not deal with C02 reduction. The good news is, less fossil fuel use, will reduce both.
who will produce goods and services?...you have been presented with all this before....you promote the downfall of America to second rate....there is no alternative to fossil fuels at present and you know it....drooler...talk talk talk
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:48:35pm |
re: #1309 funky chicken
Yep, but their particulate pollution and toxic substance pollution (sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides, etc) is a much larger threat to the environment than carbon dioxide.
It's stupid to cripple the US economy chasing the ghost of carbon dioxide if China doesn't fix its environmental problems.
And China will respond by telling Obama and the USA to "shut up or else we'll stop buying your treasuries."
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:48:51pm |
re: #1309 funky chicken
All the environmental cleanup around Florida and up the east coast was long ago canceled-out by Haiti.
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avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:49:31pm |
re: #1281 funky chicken
Then get to work on China. Once their pollution problem is under control, we'll start to worry about human production of carbon dioxide.
China and India are a major problem and I would not support spending a dime on our reduction of CO2 until they joined in.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:49:34pm |
re: #1317 shiek al beif salami
OK, I confess, I drive an SUV, but it is 8 years old, and only has about 60k miles on it. I walk a lot.
But I have an SPCA bumper sticker, does that count for anything?
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:50:53pm |
Charles ducked out to Taco Bravado in Pismo Beach
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Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:51:14pm |
re: #1314 OldLineTexan
Don't bother. If Exxon comes out with a study that says pretty much anything good about real fuels, s/he'll say it's because they have an ulterior profit motive.
When you point out that none of the Scientists claiming GW is a crisis would have a job unless they claimed that GW was a crisis, s/he applies a whole new standard. Typical brainless Obamite.
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:51:18pm |
I also have a monster-truck Jeep (which I drive when I want to piss off the hippies) and a Dodge diesel 4x4 the length of the Queen Mary. But mostly I drive the Honda, not to save the world, but because I am damn cheap.
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Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:51:52pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:52:03pm |
re: #1303 avanti
It's just proof of what a complicated climate system we are dealing with. We might pollute enough to cancel out some warming, and we can't just reduce particulate pollution and not deal with C02 reduction. The good news is, less fossil fuel use, will reduce both.
And lessening of fossil fuel use should be controlled by the free market and not mandated and ENFORCED by The State. Any attempt to control energy use by The State will lead to economic and social mayhem.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:52:21pm |
re: #1321 avanti
China and India are a major problem and I would not support spending a dime on our reduction of CO2 until they joined in.
American liberals are a much larger problem then China or India....say something else
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:53:10pm |
re: #1266 jcm
I don't dismiss it.
The question is what is man's effect on the climate cycle. We don't know for sure.
The next question is what do we do about it? Do we dramatically alter societies, do we adapt, or do nothing?One side says the debate is closed and we have to act dramatically now. The scientific debate is far from closed, and what to do about even more an open question.
The drama is often described via the name of Gore. Unfortunately that tends to make it an all or nothing argument. I don't think it has to be all drama, or dramatic. In my mind it seems to be becoming a political issue rather than a scientific one, just like the other issue that has become either a religious or science one.
I believe science when it comes to evolution.
I believe science when it comes to the issue of whether we can have an effect on the planet (and I base that partly on what I see).
I believe there are solutions that do not need to mean the end of life as we know it.
I believe that saying one should dismiss the issue because one can't stand Al Gore is asinine.
One example of what appears to be a real effect of acts that many also thought was stupid and costly was eliminating the use of most fluorocarbons. The ozone hole in the antarctic does appear to be healing.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:53:29pm |
re: #1322 rawmuse
I'm making up for you. I have a 5 year old SUV with 135,000 miles on it and no bumper sticker.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:54:29pm |
re: #1322 rawmuse
OK, I confess, I drive an SUV, but it is 8 years old, and only has about 60k miles on it. I walk a lot.
But I have an SPCA bumper sticker, does that count for anything?
/might keep it from being keyed
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:54:29pm |
re: #1328 albusteve
They are the major source of hot air global warming. I got Sierra Club junk mail today that was a quarter inch thick stack of paper and plastic stickers. How much carbon will they offset after that?
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avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:55:02pm |
re: #1314 OldLineTexan
And I'll answer with a question ... what proves that the warming trend (if any, remember we were entering an ice age in the '70's) is man-caused? How many of these scientists are proving the case?
But how many Al Gores are out there pushing "solutions" at a profit?
The "evil oil company" meme is threadbare.
Trying to prove AGW to a skeptic is a waste of time until you clear the politics off the table. Like with religion, politics will close off any fair evaluation of the facts.
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stevieray Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:55:26pm |
re: #1316 Killian Bundy
China needs to be slapped down hard.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:55:35pm |
re: #1330 Killer Tomato
I'm making up for you. I have a 5 year old SUV with 135,000 miles on it and no bumper sticker.
I think you should write me a check! (Cap and trade and all that)
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OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:55:36pm |
re: #1304 Racer X
Heehee!
What, are you going to "report" him or something?
And stop telling people what to think say and do.
That's just not possible for a true Lefty.
They'll tell you where to live, too (an apartment), how to get to work (on a train the Government controls, so they also control your job), what to eat (no expensive meat, no processed food, i.e. nothing expensive for you drones), etc.
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Randall Gross Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:56:04pm |
re: #1265 funky chicken
....cringe.....
So, how about those blue dog democrats?
The bad news is that if we are talking house action that we've got to get thirty or more to break away to be effective. That's why concentrating just on blue dogs isn't going to work. The R's need to work the western state Dems too.
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rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:56:07pm |
| 1339 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:56:34pm |
re: #1313 Sharmuta
Not a problem. If we didn't cover each others back, we would be no better than the koslings or end up like this.
| 1340 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:57:10pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:57:16pm |
re: #1336 OldLineTexan
That's just not possible for a true Lefty.
They'll tell you where to live, too (an apartment), how to get to work (on a train the Government controls, so they also control your job), what to eat (no expensive meat, no processed food, i.e. nothing expensive for you drones), etc.
Ah, the leftist utopia. Complete control of the individual for the "greater good."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:57:42pm |
re: #1284 avanti
Those on the right need to learn not to make illogical comments like that. It's global warming, and it's cold or snowed today in Podunk, does not prove anything.
I have to agree with that to a certain extent That it snows by such-and-such amount in Podunk today no more disproves global warming than the fact (and it's true) that it was 85 degrees and clear today where I am proves global warming.
| 1343 |
MandyManners Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:57:50pm |
re: #1336 OldLineTexan
That's just not possible for a true Lefty.
They'll tell you where to live, too (an apartment), how to get to work (on a train the Government controls, so they also control your job), what to eat (no expensive meat, no processed food, i.e. nothing expensive for you drones), etc.
What was the steak FCBBBHO served at the dinner for the Republicans? Wan't it Japanese?
| 1344 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:57:59pm |
re: #1327 Gus 802
And lessening of fossil fuel use should be controlled by the free market and not mandated and ENFORCED by The State. Any attempt to control energy use by The State will lead to economic and social mayhem.
Normally I'd cheer that statement on, but we do not have a fossil fuel market. We have a manipulated pseudo market that costs us more than the true price would otherwise be. I'd be in favor of a government program to "force" every fueling station to carry at least one other fueling capability beyond traditional gasoline--paid for by a tax on gasoline. Gasoline needs to be made fungible with other fuel sources in order to break the oil cartels. There really is no other way I'm afraid than government intervention. The key would be to make that government intervention the least intrusive as possible.
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BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:58:06pm |
re: #1333 avanti
Trying to prove AGW to a skeptic is a waste of time until you clear the politics off the table. Like with religion, politics will close off any fair evaluation of the facts.
Religion is faith....and so is AGW.
| 1346 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:58:19pm |
avanti is an old guy...he's burned out on cut and paste...avanti does not realize that he and his fellow droolers are the sourse of just about every problem this country faces right now...he has been hypnotized by rhetoric and the MSM...avanti is the problem, not the solution...he does not know this...liberals are blind, deaf, and dumb and worse annoying as hell
| 1347 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:58:21pm |
re: #1334 stevieray
with a plate of General Tsao chicken.
| 1348 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:58:21pm |
re: #1309 funky chicken
It's stupid to cripple the US economy chasing the ghost of carbon dioxide if China doesn't fix its environmental problems.
Which is how come Wallmart can always sell it for less, and why we shop there. //
| 1349 |
afrocity Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:58:38pm |
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
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jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:59:03pm |
re: #1329 Naso Tang
The drama is often described via the name of Gore. Unfortunately that tends to make it an all or nothing argument. I don't think it has to be all drama, or dramatic. In my mind it seems to be becoming a political issue rather than a scientific one, just like the other issue that has become either a religious or science one.
I believe science when it comes to evolution.
I believe science when it comes to the issue of whether we can have an effect on the planet (and I base that partly on what I see).
I believe there are solutions that do not need to mean the end of life as we know it.
I believe that saying one should dismiss the issue because one can't stand Al Gore is asinine.One example of what appears to be a real effect of acts that many also thought was stupid and costly was eliminating the use of most fluorocarbons. The ozone hole in the antarctic does appear to be healing.
I can live with that.
Meanwhile we have to deal with things like this, which are none of what you put forth.
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Optimizer Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:59:08pm |
re: #999 Basho
It doesn't come as a surprise to climatologists either.
And it's not the sun:
[Link: gristmill.grist.org...]
Seems like I saw something somewhere that theorized that it's not just about insolation, when it comes to the Sun's effect on the Earth's atmosphere.
The fact is, climate change has tracked with solar activity for centuries, while its positive correlation with higher CO2 lasted about 25-30 years - a period which, statistically, is properly called a "coincidence". That period ended five or ten years ago, and was proceeded by decades of negative correlation.
| 1353 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:59:47pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
Quick run out and rent Airplane!
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 7:59:56pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
You should watch those while wearing fuzzy slippers and eating a quart of ice cream.
| 1355 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:00:44pm |
| 1356 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:00:48pm |
re: #1333 avanti
Trying to prove AGW to a skeptic is a waste of time until you clear the politics off the table. Like with religion, politics will close off any fair evaluation of the facts.
I don't believe the "A" for reasons of science and history.
I am skeptical about the "W" because I remember when it was "C" and even now it is "CC".
The "G" is the only thing in there that hasn't been dicked over by someone with an axe to grind and a buck to make.
So whatever. I see facts. They all have dollar signs in front of them.
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:00:58pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
jeezus...get creative
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:01:03pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
I picked up a 4 disaster movies for 5 bucks collection at Walmart and couldn't even make it through the first one. I hope this wasn't the set Obama gave to Gordon Brown.
| 1359 |
rawmuse Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:01:18pm |
re: #1352 jaunte
Kobe beef is from cows that drink beer and get massaged, every day.
Right up until when the hammer comes down.
Not bad, when you think about it.
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:01:31pm |
re: #1344 BryanS
Normally I'd cheer that statement on, but we do not have a fossil fuel market. We have a manipulated pseudo market that costs us more than the true price would otherwise be. I'd be in favor of a government program to "force" every fueling station to carry at least one other fueling capability beyond traditional gasoline--paid for by a tax on gasoline. Gasoline needs to be made fungible with other fuel sources in order to break the oil cartels. There really is no other way I'm afraid than government intervention. The key would be to make that government intervention the least intrusive as possible.
Multi fuel stations are already taking place around the country. However, the government would have to be careful as to which fuel they may both endorse or enforce. Ethanol is an example that compete with agricultural products and water supplies. They may end up creating larger problems than we begin with. Now, given the track record of failure for the The State my prognosis would be one of failure and another case of SNAFU.
| 1361 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:01:47pm |
| 1362 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:08pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
I long for the good old days when air travel was a pleasure.
| 1363 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:10pm |
re: #1359 rawmuse
For that, I would betray Morpheus and go back into the matrix.
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:15pm |
re: #1303 avanti
The good news is, less fossil fuel use, will reduce both.
Not true. Burning natural gas does not produce particulate. And that is the new fuel of choice for electric power plants.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:18pm |
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lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:24pm |
re: #1358 shiek al beif salami
I picked up a 4 disaster movies for 5 bucks collection at Walmart and couldn't even make it through the first one. I hope this wasn't the set Obama gave to Gordon Brown.
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
| 1367 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:33pm |
re: #1356 OldLineTexan
I don't believe the "A" for reasons of science and history.
I am skeptical about the "W" because I remember when it was "C" and even now it is "CC".
The "G" is the only thing in there that hasn't been dicked over by someone with an axe to grind and a buck to make.
So whatever. I see facts. They all have dollar signs in front of them.
bingo...
| 1368 |
Boxy_brown Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:41pm |
re: #1358 shiek al beif salami
I hope this wasn't the set Obama gave to Gordon Brown.
No worries, Gordon couldn't watch them anyway. Although Obama did probably pick them up in the wallmart discount bin.
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Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:02:57pm |
Jake is 5 and learning to read.
He points at a picture in a zoo book and says,
"Look Mama! It's a frickin' Elephant!"
Deep breath ... "What did you call it?"
"It's a frickin' Elephant, Mama! It says so on the picture"
and so it does .. A f r i c a n Elephant.
| 1371 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:03:29pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
The Last King of Scotland.
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Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:03:43pm |
re: #1327 Gus 802
Any attempt to control energy use by The State will lead to economic and social mayhem.
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
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Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:03:45pm |
re: #1364 Mich-again
Not true. Burning natural gas does not produce particulate. And that is the new fuel of choice for electric power plants.
The current Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar effectively shut down gas development in many regions of Colorado while a senator along with Governor Ritter (D).
They don't even want to drill for natural gas.
| 1374 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:04:04pm |
Hamsters...huffin and a puffin...must have...new thread...
| 1375 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:04:15pm |
re: #1358 shiek al beif salami
I picked up a 4 disaster movies for 5 bucks collection at Walmart and couldn't even make it through the first one. I hope this wasn't the set Obama gave to Gordon Brown.
Were they Godzilla movies? Those are such fun to watch, as the Humans do more damage than the monsters!
| 1377 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:04:23pm |
re: #1372 Mich-again
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
yes..child abuse
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:04:33pm |
re: #1340 shiek al beif salami
Bure: #1336 OldLineTexan
I know, just like Al Gore lives, right?
So, as I just said, we all hypocrites if we buy something that can be shipped to us halfway across the world cheaper than we can make it, and produced with twice as much pollution as we would emit.
If it makes you any happier, I too must be guilty. This little PC I just bought wasn't made in the USA I'm sure, and if it was I couldn't have afforded it.
| 1379 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:04:42pm |
re: #1372 Mich-again
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
Probably not.
Hey, I may sometimes over dramatize things. :)
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afrocity Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:05:01pm |
re: #1354 lifeofthemind
You should watch those while wearing fuzzy slippers and eating a quart of ice cream.
I hesitated to answer your post because I am eating ice cream and wearing fuzzy slippers. (notice the absence of a sarc tag here)
| 1382 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:05:28pm |
re: #1346 albusteve
avanti is an old guy...he's burned out on cut and paste...avanti does not realize that he and his fellow droolers are the sourse of just about every problem this country faces right now...he has been hypnotized by rhetoric and the MSM...avanti is the problem, not the solution...he does not know this...liberals are blind, deaf, and dumb and worse annoying as hell
As long as the right assumes everyone on the left is a "drooler", the left will continue to believe the right is nothing but knuckle dragging, ID'ers, and AGW conspiracy lovers.
Neither the right or the left is devoid of idiots, nor intelligence.
| 1383 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:06:28pm |
Golf Joke
This morning, one of my regular golfing days, I got up early, put on my long johns, dressed quietly, made coffee, grabbed my clubs, slipped quietly into the garage, loaded my clubs into the car and proceeded to back it out into a torrential downpour.
There was snow mixed with the rain and the wind was blowing 50 mph. I pulled back into the garage, turned on the radio for a few minutes and discovered that the weather would be bad throughout the day.
I went back into the house, quietly undressed and slipped back into bed. There I cuddled up to my wife's back, now with a different anticipation and whispered huskily, 'The weather out there is terrible.'
She sleepily replied, 'I know. Can you believe my husband is out golfing in that shit?'
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:06:45pm |
No, they were disaster movies. "Fire!" "Avalanche!" "Crash Landing!" "And One Other One I Can't Remember!" I used them to keep the birds out of my cherry trees. I know. I recycled. It was my inner hippy trying to break free.
| 1385 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:06:50pm |
re: #1382 avanti
As long as the right assumes everyone on the left is a "drooler", the left will continue to believe the right is nothing but knuckle dragging, ID'ers, and AGW conspiracy lovers.
Neither the right or the left is devoid of idiots, nor intelligence.
think what you want...the truth is obvious to any halfway enlightened person....liberalism is a disease and you have a terminal case
| 1386 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:06:56pm |
re: #1380 afrocity
I hesitated to answer your post because I am eating ice cream and wearing fuzzy slippers. (notice the absence of a sarc tag here)
I hereby take you to brunch at The Original Pancake House. You can get a months carbo-load with the baked apple and I would get the 49ers.
| 1387 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:00pm |
re: #1225 Naso Tang
EeePC.
Naso Tang -
Haven't tried that one. Have tried the Acer Aspire 1 as a friend has one. Absolutely loved it. Were I a "road warrior" I would have one or a competitor.
As I am not a "road warrior" and have decent laptop and desktop computers at my disposal I can not justify it except as a "toy." Then again, I am a boy - AND - we LOVE our Toys.
-S-
| 1388 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:08pm |
re: #1380 afrocity
I hesitated to answer your post because I am eating ice cream and wearing fuzzy slippers. (notice the absence of a sarc tag here)
How can life suck with ice cream and fuzzy slippers?
;-)
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Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:15pm |
re: #1372 Mich-again
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
What about the work week? Same thing? Otherwise, who's going to watch these kids on day 5?
| 1390 |
stevieray Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:15pm |
re: #1372 Mich-again
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
I know a few parents who wouldn't mind if the school took the kids on a Monday, and kept them until Friday.
Think of the gas they'd save then!
| 1391 |
BryanS Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:28pm |
re: #1360 Gus 802
Multi fuel stations are already taking place around the country. However, the government would have to be careful as to which fuel they may both endorse or enforce. Ethanol is an example that compete with agricultural products and water supplies. They may end up creating larger problems than we begin with. Now, given the track record of failure for the The State my prognosis would be one of failure and another case of SNAFU.
See, I think the government should not put ANY requirement on what the fuel is. Ethanol works great for the corn belt. Maybe methanol in areas with coal. I'd say that what the fuel is should be left to the market--California can run their cars on couscous for all I care.
| 1392 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:35pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
Well you ARE still recovering from surgery (I think), so you can be excused as you are probably bored out of your wits. You at home now or still entrapped in the hospital defending your laptop from the predatory clutches of the nursing staff.
With all due respect to Nurses.
Been off line the last couple of days.
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Dustyvet Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:07:45pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Lassie come home...:)
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esch Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:08:01pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Hmmm.
I don't know foreign movies very well, but jsut to be perverse:
Liar, Liar
Red Dawn
Brazil
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albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:08:09pm |
re: #1390 stevieray
I know a few parents who wouldn't mind if the school took the kids on a Monday, and kept them until Friday.
Think of the gas they'd save then!
think of what those kids will be like....bots
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OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:08:36pm |
re: #1372 Mich-again
What if they made the school week for longer days and saved 20% on fuel consumption for buses. Would that cause mayhem?
One day a week, yes.
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shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:08:52pm |
re: #1386 lifeofthemind
Take him to Carl Jr., where they have two grease bombs for $4. burp.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:09:01pm |
re: #1393 Dustyvet
What's that Lassie? Rahm's down the well?
| 1399 |
Sharmuta Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:09:22pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
United 93
| 1400 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:09:31pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Godzilla vs. King Kong
| 1401 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:09:40pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
If I were from Australia, I would send the Mad Max series with a card that says something like "Looking forward to your future energy and foreign policies".
| 1402 |
BignJames Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:09:47pm |
| 1403 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:10:05pm |
re: #1391 BryanS
See, I think the government should not put ANY requirement on what the fuel is. Ethanol works great for the corn belt. Maybe methanol in areas with coal. I'd say that what the fuel is should be left to the market--California can run their cars on couscous for all I care.
"Fill 'er up with a tank of Nirvana. Check the oil to please while you're at it."
Overheard at a neu-fuel station in California.
//
| 1404 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:10:10pm |
re: #1380 afrocity
I hesitated to answer your post because I am eating ice cream and wearing fuzzy slippers. (notice the absence of a sarc tag here)
And she's SINGLE, guys.
The world is insane.
| 1405 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:10:26pm |
re: #1394 esch
Good porn is always a thoughtful gift.
| 1406 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:10:45pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Babylon 5. Clark offs himself
| 1407 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:11:01pm |
re: #1350 jcm
I can live with that.
Meanwhile we have to deal with things like this, which are none of what you put forth.
Yeah well, the UN.....
The UN is management by committee, but I can't help but think that in terms of getting places like China and India involved, it may be more effective than a bully pulpit in Washington.
If they go too crazy we can still send them back to Geneva, right?
| 1408 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:11:10pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
A John Wayne anthology.
| 1409 |
afrocity Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:11:14pm |
re: #1392 Bubblehead II
Well you ARE still recovering from surgery (I think), so you can be excused as you are probably bored out of your wits. You at home now or still entrapped in the hospital defending your laptop from the predatory clutches of the nursing staff.
With all due respect to Nurses.
Been off line the last couple of days.
I am at home and feeling better. It is also terribly cold out and I did not exchange my blockbuster DVDs in time to get more in the mail. I am at the mercy of cable television.
| 1410 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:11:14pm |
re: #1382 avanti
As long as the right assumes everyone on the left is a "drooler", the left will continue to believe the right is nothing but knuckle dragging, ID'ers, and AGW conspiracy lovers.
Neither the right or the left is devoid of idiots, nor intelligence.
I think one reason for the attitude you're seeing is that the left side appears to have skipped past the science of agw and gone straight to political 'solutions' which they want to impose on everyone without any proof that they are actually going to solve the problem. There is an understandable push back, not all of it well-considered.
| 1411 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:11:15pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
The 300 Spartans
300
Sin City
| 1412 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:12:25pm |
If they planted trees in all the vacant lots in Detroit it would help offset global warming. Actually Mother Nature already is replanting trees in those abandoned lots and turning the ghettos to meadows. You can't stop it. Nature come back.
| 1413 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:12:26pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Kill Bill
Vol 1 & 2
| 1414 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:12:47pm |
re: #1410 jaunte
I think one reason for the attitude you're seeing is that the left side appears to have skipped past the science of agw and gone straight to political 'solutions' which they want to impose on everyone without any proof that they are actually going to solve the problem. There is an understandable push back, not all of it well-considered.
he knows all that...or is incredibly stupid...avanti is an Obot, he's addicted
| 1415 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:12:55pm |
| 1416 |
shiek al beif salami Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:13:01pm |
re: #1410 jaunte
And if you are going to turn the economy of the world upside down, then you better have proof, instead of computer models.
| 1418 |
Desert Dog Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:13:37pm |
An oldie but a goodie
Shit Happens
according to various religions and spiritual philosophies
TAOISM: Shit happens.
CONFUCIANISM: Confucius say, "Shit happens".
ZEN: (What is the sound of shit happening?)
JESUITISM: If shit happens and when nobody is watching, is it really shit?
ISLAM: Shit happens if it is the will of Allah.
COMMUNISM. Equal shit happens to all people.
CATHOLICISM: Shit happens because you are bad.
PSYCHOANALYSIS: Shit happens because of your toilet training.
SCIENTOLOGY: Shit happens if you're on our shit list.
ZOROASTRIANISM: Bad shit happens, and good shit happens.
UNITARIANISM: Maybe shit happens. Let's have coffee and donuts.
RIGHT-WING PROTESTANTISM: Let this shit happen to someone else.
JUDAISM: Why does shit always happen to US?
REFORM JUDAISM: Got any Kaopectate?
MYSTICISM: What weird shit!
AGNOSTICISM: What is this shit?
ATHEISM: I don't believe this shit!
NIHILISM: Who needs this shit?
AZTEC: Cut out this shit!
QUAKER: Let's not fight over this shit.
FORTEANISM: No shit?
12-STEP: I am powerless to cut the shit.
VOODOO: Hey, that shit looks just like you!
NEWAGE: Visualize shit not happening.
DEISM: Shit just happens.
EXISTENTIALISM: Shit doesn't happen; shit is.
SECULAR HUMANISM: Shit evolves.
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE: Shit is in your mind.
BUDDHISM: Shit happens, but pay no mind.
SHINTOISM: Shit is everywhere.
HINDUISM: This shit has happened before.
WICCA: Mix this shit together and make it happen!
HASIDISM: Shit never happens the same way twice.
THEOSOPHY: You don't know half of the shit that happens.
DIANETICS: Your mother gave you shit before your were born.
SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST: No shit on Saturdays.
JEHOVAH's WITNESSES: No shit happens until Armageddon.
MOONIES: Only happy shit really happens.
HOPI: Corn fertilizer happens.
BAHA'I: It's all the same shit.
STOICISM: This shit is good for me.
OBJECTIVISM: Our shit is good for you.
EST: If my shit bothers you, that's your fault.
REAGANISM: Don't move; the shit will trickle down.
FASCISM: Shit makes the trains run on time.
CARGO CULT: A barge will come and take all the shit away.
EMACS: Hold down Control-Meta-Shit.
DISCORDIANISM: Some funny shit happened to me today.
RASTAFARIANISM: Let's smoke this shit.
CHARISMATIC: This is not shit and it doesn't smell bad.
MASONIC: Shit happens, but we can't discuss it during Lodge.
RED CROSS: Shit happens - send money.
| 1419 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:13:53pm |
Getting good answers here. Would that England still had the intestinal fortitude to give
In Which We Serve
Henry V (the Olivier version)
Zulu
Now the CofE bishops don't want to ring bells on St George's Day
spit
| 1420 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:13:56pm |
re: #1412 Mich-again
If they planted trees in all the vacant lots in Detroit it would help offset global warming. Actually Mother Nature already is replanting trees in those abandoned lots and turning the ghettos to meadows. You can't stop it. Nature come back.
Detroit would be the most densely forrest region in North America!....jus sayin
| 1421 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:13:59pm |
re: #1389 Killer Tomato
What about the work week? Same thing? Otherwise, who's going to watch these kids on day 5?
You don't have to ask me twice if I'd work 4 tens instead of 5 eights. Sign me up!
| 1422 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:14:15pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Superfly
Shaft
Foxy Jones
//My bad.
| 1423 |
Killer Tomato Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:14:34pm |
re: #1412 Mich-again
If they planted trees in all the vacant lots in Detroit it would help offset global warming. Actually Mother Nature already is replanting trees in those abandoned lots and turning the ghettos to meadows. You can't stop it. Nature come back.
Green roofs are becoming very popular - you can't tell from street level of course, but they're going on buildings all over the place.
| 1424 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:14:52pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
lifeofthemind -
For President Obama - One Movie - "THE CANDIDATE." That is all.
-S-
| 1425 |
jcm Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:15:11pm |
re: #1407 Naso Tang
Yeah well, the UN.....
The UN is management by committee, but I can't help but think that in terms of getting places like China and India involved, it may be more effective than a bully pulpit in Washington.
If they go too crazy we can still send them back to Geneva, right?
IF?!?!?!
| 1426 |
afrocity Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:15:18pm |
re: #1404 OldLineTexan
And she's SINGLE, guys.
The world is insane.
And a conservative in Chicago which is akin to having leprosy.
I did get in invited to a candle party for the earth hour thing but I ruined that by saying that I don't participate in liberal hypocrisy. Not quite sure why I was so rude but the guy who asked me is an Obama supporter and I have no tolerance for them lately.
| 1427 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:15:26pm |
re: #1385 albusteve
think what you want...the truth is obvious to any halfway enlightened person....liberalism is a disease and you have a terminal case
It must be hell for you to be in the in the bitter fraction of the conservative minority in a country with a unenlightened majority. I have conservative friends that respect my political leaning while disagreeing, and I think both my friends and me are "enlightened". To assume you position is the only intelligent one is arrogant at best.
| 1428 |
David Simon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:15:52pm |
re: #1316 Killian Bundy
Vast spy system loots computers in 103 countries
/yeah, I'm sure the Chinese government has nothing to do with it
lol. More crack reporting from the Old Grey Lady. It's important to mention that the theft can't be traced to the Chinese government, while neglecting to mention the fact that China is an unfree, closed society, and that gaining that level of expository intelligence is damned near impossible.
| 1429 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:17:05pm |
re: #1387 Dr. Shalit
Naso Tang -
Haven't tried that one. Have tried the Acer Aspire 1 as a friend has one. Absolutely loved it. Were I a "road warrior" I would have one or a competitor.
As I am not a "road warrior" and have decent laptop and desktop computers at my disposal I can not justify it except as a "toy." Then again, I am a boy - AND - we LOVE our Toys.-S-
I do have some trips planned, and that was on my mind, but it was also the price. The cheapest, and smaller screens by an inch or two are under $300. This one was $350, including shipping. (BTW, never pay extra for fast shipping these days. Everything I order arrives in half the stated time at regular rates)
The only down is no CD, but most stuff can be downloaded, and I have other PCs in the house. Just share the CD/DVD on another PC in the network and read it from there.
| 1430 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:17:53pm |
re: #1420 albusteve
In late summer when all the vacant lots are overgrown with tall grass and weeds you'd almost think the neighborhoods were State Parks.
| 1431 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:18:33pm |
re: #1410 jaunte
I think one reason for the attitude you're seeing is that the left side appears to have skipped past the science of agw and gone straight to political 'solutions' which they want to impose on everyone without any proof that they are actually going to solve the problem. There is an understandable push back, not all of it well-considered.
You may be correct, and that one reason we need both sides. While the left may want to rush into the wrong solution to a possible problem, the right might want to ignore it completely. The solution might be somewhere in the middle.
| 1432 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:18:34pm |
re: #1427 avanti
It must be hell for you to be in the in the bitter fraction of the conservative minority in a country with a unenlightened majority. I have conservative friends that respect my political leaning while disagreeing, and I think both my friends and me are "enlightened". To assume you position is the only intelligent one is arrogant at best.
I could care less what you and your friends think of yourselves...you went out of your way to insult me in front of 1000 people here for no reason and now you blab about disagreeing with respect?...you are a phony....you have no cred here with me
| 1433 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:18:47pm |
re: #1366 lifeofthemind
Alright LGF contest time.
What set of movies would you give to BHO if you were the foreign leader?
Should we even get into records? There'd be an even greater shitload of them!
| 1434 |
Racer X Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:19:02pm |
A guy walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check. He marched straight up to the counter and said, " Hi. You know, I just HATE drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job."
The social worker behind the counter said, " Your timing is excellent. We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a chauffeur and bodyguard for his beautiful daughter. You'll have to drive around in his Mercedes, and he'll supply all of your clothes.
Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll be expected to escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips and you will have to satisfy her sexual urges. You'll be provided a two-bedroom apartment above the garage. The salary is $200,000 a year."
The guy, wide-eyed, said, " You're bullshittin' me! "
The social worker said, " Yeah, well .. . you started it."
| 1436 |
Macker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:19:38pm |
re: #1426 afrocity
I'm sure you were polite enough to him without telling him what to go do with himself?
| 1437 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:19:44pm |
re: #1430 Mich-again
In late summer when all the vacant lots are overgrown with tall grass and weeds you'd almost think the neighborhoods were State Parks.
Motor City State Park?....I like it!
| 1438 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:20:38pm |
| 1439 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:20:52pm |
re: #1429 Naso Tang
I do have some trips planned, and that was on my mind, but it was also the price. The cheapest, and smaller screens by an inch or two are under $300. This one was $350, including shipping. (BTW, never pay extra for fast shipping these days. Everything I order arrives in half the stated time at regular rates)
The only down is no CD, but most stuff can be downloaded, and I have other PCs in the house. Just share the CD/DVD on another PC in the network and read it from there.
Nsao Tang -
You have "the drill" down well on everything to do with your netbook. External burners also work, and as you stated are unnecessary if you are properly networked. Good show.
-S-
| 1440 |
Gus Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:20:54pm |
re: #1435 Killer Tomato
Hey! Charles is back!
Must have been a quick taco. And he brought Christopher Hitchens back with him.
//
| 1441 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:21:39pm |
re: #1423 Killer Tomato
One of my co-workers/buddies looked into a "green roof". It almost made sense money-wise last year, but he passed on it anyway. Looking at actual energy prices today (well, last month when we discussed it) it would have been a huge waste of money for him.
There's a future for that kind of tech., but for now the only people building with it around here are those getting subsidies/tax-breaks of one kind or another.
| 1442 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:21:39pm |
re: #1431 avanti
The ship of state needs both sails and a keel, and in storms, a sea-anchor.
| 1443 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:21:57pm |
re: #1432 albusteve
I could care less what you and your friends think of yourselves...you went out of your way to insult me in front of 1000 people here for no reason and now you blab about disagreeing with respect?...you are a phony....you have no cred here with me
OK, refresh my memory, since I try to stay polite unless personally attacked. What did I say to personally insult you and when ?
| 1446 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:22:32pm |
re: #1409 afrocity
Glad to hear that. I was going to post a You Tube of the song 52 Channels and nothing to watch, but couldn't find one. Darn intertubes let me down again. :-)
| 1447 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:22:59pm |
re: #1437 albusteve
Motor City State Park?....I like it!
When I worked in the D and we would drive to the Chene Trombley Market to grab a lunch we had a game called dog or hooker. On the drive there, what would you see first. A dog or a hooker.
Had a buddy get chased to the car carrying his sub by two dogs that were casing the joint at the exit. I was LMAO watching him run to the car.
| 1448 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:23:20pm |
| 1449 |
esch Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:23:25pm |
re: #1446 Bubblehead II
Glad to hear that. I was going to post a You Tube of the song 52 Channels and nothing to watch, but couldn't find one. Darn intertubes let me down again. :-)
I'm suffocating on the irony there. 8)
| 1450 |
outsidephilly Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:23:53pm |
re: #1349 afrocity
AMC Channel is showing all three AIRPORT movies, Airport, Airport 75', Airport 77'
Why I am watching this marathon? My life sucks.
You wanna know 'suck'? Well, I just got home from a philly Wings game. When players from the opposing team are introduced philly fans YELL, 'SUCK'!
The Philadelphia Wings played against their Western Division foe Colorado Mammoth - the Wings won!
| 1451 |
Mich-again Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:24:42pm |
BTW for context, by dog I meant roving dog, not a dog in a yard. The D is full of roving packs of dogs. I think I saw a wild boar once on Livernois.
| 1452 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:25:07pm |
re: #1428 David Simon
lol. More crack reporting from the Old Grey Lady. It's important to mention that the theft can't be traced to the Chinese government, while neglecting to mention the fact that China is an unfree, closed society, and that gaining that level of expository intelligence is damned near impossible.
Canadian researchers uncover vast computer spying operation
China-based spies target computers across globe
GhostNet: Turning Computers into Giant Bugs
International Phishing Operation - GhostNet
Researchers: Cyber spies break into govt computers
/it's China
| 1454 |
avanti Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:26:41pm |
re: #1442 jaunte
The ship of state needs both sails and a keel, and in storms, a sea-anchor.
I like that. What crew member on that ship would cut down the sails, or cut the anchor loose ?
| 1455 |
ArchangelMichael Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:28:13pm |
If the vast majority of AGW proponents were not nanny state control freak commies that are just dying to regulate every decision in your life because they "know better than you" and conveniently propose just that as the "solution" to every problem, including but not limited to AGW, I would take it a little more serious than I do.
The primary driver of our climate is and always has been the sun, so it deserves a serious and in depth look as to what effects it has on global temperature with or without CO2 increases. This is especially needed before we legislate away freedom and capitalism for commissars telling you what you can drive (or if you can), where you can live, how many families you need to squeeze in your government sanctioned unit parcel of residence, how much you can eat, how much energy you can use, and so on ad-nauseam because that is exactly where this can lead to.
Don't take this to mean I completely deny AGW. I don't. I'm not particularly convinced one way or the other, and don't waste your time right now trying to do so. What I refuse to accept is communism combined with the worse aspects of the HoA-board member control freak and NIMBY mentality as the only solution to this problem. Like every other over-hyped non-issue problem in human history, science and technology have eventually provided a solution.
Also, I've joked here about turning on everything I own during Earth Hour. Of course I'm not actually going to. I'm going to do exactly whatever it is I'm doing now in the 5 minutes from now when it starts. I was simply using that opportunity to mock the idea behind Earth hour (It reminds me of those stupid emails back in the 90s about not buying gas on a certain day). You don't need to sit in the dark for an hour to save energy or "make a point" (Unless the point you are trying to make is practicing for what it will be like when lefties legislate capitalism and prosperity away). Just don't waste energy in general everyday and save the demonstrations and protests for jobless hippies and attention whores.
| 1456 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:28:30pm |
| 1457 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:28:42pm |
re: #1453 ploome hineni
Well, since Obama isn't a Muslim, and I'm not a Muslim, then that means that we were both in the running.
Obama beat me? That dirty bastid!
| 1458 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:29:09pm |
re: #1454 avanti
I would keep an eye on the ones who triple the debt of the crew.
Red sails in the sunset!
| 1460 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:29:57pm |
re: #1391 BryanS
See, I think the government should not put ANY requirement on what the fuel is. Ethanol works great for the corn belt. Maybe methanol in areas with coal. I'd say that what the fuel is should be left to the market--California can run their cars on couscous for all I care.
Oklahoma and KS have lots of natural gas. They could do something with that, also.
| 1461 |
Only The Lurker Knows Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:30:36pm |
| 1464 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:34:11pm |
re: #1373 Gus 802
The current Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar effectively shut down gas development in many regions of Colorado while a senator along with Governor Ritter (D).
They don't even want to drill for natural gas.
+1000
They don't want natural gas. They don't want nuclear power. They don't want solar power (latest example--Dianne Feinstein blocking solar plants in the Mojave). They don't want wind power (kills birds, blocks John Kerry's sailing routes).
etc, etc.
| 1465 |
nyc redneck Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:34:57pm |
| 1466 |
Lincolntf Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:35:18pm |
re: #1463 ploome hineni
Add "Religious profiling" to the things hypocritical and stomach-turning about the Obama Admin.
Getting to be a big frickin' list.
| 1467 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:36:20pm |
| 1468 |
funky chicken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:36:23pm |
| 1469 |
Salem Sat, Mar 28, 2009 9:38:04pm |
re: #1382 avanti
As long as the right assumes everyone on the left is a "drooler", the left will continue to believe the right is nothing but knuckle dragging, ID'ers, and AGW conspiracy lovers.
Well, that's certainly a compelling argument..
| 1470 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Mar 28, 2009 10:18:28pm |
re: #1052 Basho
If a planet as huge and as far as Saturn were warming because of the sun... well... we wouldn't be hearing talking about this.
That's breathtakingly ignorant. All the planets in the Solar system intercept some of the Sun's radiated heat and light, and are thereby warmed by it. If the Sun's luminosity changes by X percent, the amount of solar heating on each planet will change by X percent. That's simple geometry.
Now the gas giants, and indeed Earth, too, have internal sources of heat as well, so the overall temperature of each planet is a complex function of its internal heat source, that which it gets from the Sun, and that which it radiates away to deep space.
If Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were cooling, while over the same time span, Earth were warming, that would be a strong argument for a unique cause for the warming on Earth. But, since all these planets appear to be warming over the same time span, that is a strong argument for a common cause for the warming. That common cause could be the Sun, and it could also be cosmic radiation from deep space, or both.
| 1471 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 28, 2009 10:21:40pm |
re: #851 avanti
Like I said, debating global warming with the right is like debating evolution with the Discovery Institute.
You are, I believe, unfortunately correct.
Normally, in a social setting, if I want to play the contrarian I have to work at it. In regards to AGW though, when I am posting on a sight where most of the participants are "conservatives" all I have to do is link to a standard science article or two and the crowd goes crazy.
It is such a strange world in which we live... Lincoln established the National Academy of Sciences because (as best I can tell) he understood the importance science was playing, and would play, in the life of the Union. Yet today, a good number of Republicans reject not only the NAS statement on evolution, but also on AGW.
It is not a political path that will be productive for the GOP base in the long, I think, even though in the near term many seem to get pleasure out of trying to stick a thumb in the eye of Al Gore or Jim Hansen. Those two though are aging and will soon pass away, but the various issues wrt the environment (not just AGW) and mankind will not go away, and they will continue to problems in the political sphere as well.
| 1472 |
lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 28, 2009 10:50:18pm |
re: #1065 Salem
Obviously, whther the earth warms or cools, some have made up their mind that humans will be responsible. Nature, it would seem, is not a factor anymore.
Nature is no longer the ONLY factor.
| 1478 |
SixDegrees Sun, Mar 29, 2009 5:55:48am |
re: #789 redc1c4
just like they did the Bush girls, right?
What's your point? That because someone else committed a wrong, that wrong is somehow now not wrong?
Sinking into the same mire as your foes isn't a worthy tactic. Using their tactics when you've already loudly proclaimed such tactics to be objectionable places you in a lower position than them, since you add hypocrisy to your actions.
| 1479 |
docremulac Sun, Mar 29, 2009 8:06:13am |
It's time to purge our government of Pol Pot Communists and members of the strychnine drinking, snake handling branch of the Christian Church.
They're opposite sides of the same coin and equally stupid and superstitious.
| 1480 |
ynahmias Sun, Mar 29, 2009 8:25:36am |
Charles, I think there is a danger escalating into a pointless Religion bash, when the main problem have never been Religion, but interpretation. Judaism for example contains the concept of Tikkun Olam (Mending the World), which is a moral obligation to leave the world you got from your parents a better place for your children. Science doesn't say anything about morality, and quite frankly it has never been its place. Global warming is a scientific fact, but we have a moral obligation to stop it, not a scientific one.
| 1481 |
docremulac Sun, Mar 29, 2009 8:52:27am |
re: #1480 ynahmias
"Global warming is a scientific fact, but we have a moral obligation to stop it, not a scientific one."
Branding a question with the seal "scientific fact" does not make it so.
Besides, since the Earth has been cooling in recent years the new "scientific fact" is global climate change which covers all basis.
We have a moral obligation to question people like Al Gore who play up solutions like giving him money and play down solutions like expanding nuclear power and supporting world wide anti-Apocalypse protocols that give a complete pass to China, the planet's worst polluter and just happen to include the biggest transfer of wealth in human history.
And one final thought on the concept of "scientific fact". It's a best guess that could be changed at any time should new data come to light, that's what makes it science, not scripture. We assimilate information and process it using scientific methods to the best of our abilities so science by it's very nature doesn't suppose to be always right all the time. If somebody comes around with a "scientifically proved" stamp I question their understanding of the concept of scientific method.
In other words, s true scientist spends a great deal of time discussing the data and very little time waving the "scientifically proven" stamp around.
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RexMundi Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:50:31am |
ANYONE who believes that the Bible is the "inerrant word of God" and bases his or her actions upon it is a colossal fool. Worse yet, this guy is in a position of authority, where he can do a disservice to his constituents by doing foolish things for them.
I am going to work on voting this inept $#!%P%head out of office.
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Nemesis6 Sun, Mar 29, 2009 6:15:25pm |
Look at the hottie on the background at 0:25 - That's the best response when people start talking genesis.
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Canoe Train Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:27:43pm |
re: #10 debutant
re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #1483 Nemesis6
re: #38 buzzdroid
She is not hot at all -- In fact, she reminds me far too much of the rather plain looking high school and college girls who, just because they know how to put on makeup, and keep up to date with fashion via "Cosmo" mag ( one of the absolute worst rags around) think of themselves as gorgeous. I'm willing to bet that she is one of the types who only would date the school quarterback, because "She deserves it."
To paraphrase an old saying, she is not that pretty on the outside, and she is pretty ugly on the inside as well.
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