US Cardinal Denounces Obama’s Notre Dame Invitation

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Catholic clergymen are seething over Barack Obama’s scheduled commencement speech at the University of Notre Dame, because of his pro-choice positions: Now, a U.S. cardinal denounces Notre Dame’s Obama invite.

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo has become the first American cardinal to denounce the University of Notre Dame for inviting Democratic President Barack Obama as its commencement speaker in May and to receive an honorary degree.

Four Catholic bishops have now criticized the school for its decision to invite a pro-choice president to address its university body, including as The Ticket reported here the other day, Bishop John D’Arcy of northern Indiana announcing that he would boycott the famous Catholic school’s May 17 commencement exercises over the invitation to the president, who recently broadened funding of stemcell research.

More than 120,000 others have signed an online petition urging the institution to rescind the invitation.

Interestingly, none of these clergymen could muster a single disapproving word when Notre Dame invited radical Islamist Tariq Ramadan to be chairman of their Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies.

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322 comments
1 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:10:19am

Good, now time to withdraw the invite.

2 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:10:47am

Is Tariq Ramadan pro-choice?

3 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:11:31am

We all know how approving Ismamic fundys are of abortion…. (snicker, he he)

4 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:11:39am

If they rescind the invite all it will do is make ND look bad and Obama look good. They should let him talk and boo the shit out of him, that would be a better outcome.

5 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:12:17am

re: #2 MandyManners

You beat me to it! Mannered again!

6 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:12:22am

If this were Bush, the press would have interviews of individual protesters on every morning show during the month and half run up to the commencement speech.

7 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #2 MandyManners

Is Tariq Ramadan pro-choice?

Tariq Ramadan wants gays executed, women in bags, and infidels persecuted.

All that’s OK, I guess.

8 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:13:19am

re: #4 Desert Dog

I can’t agree. That’s so…. Berkeley free speech.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:13:22am
Interestingly, none of these clergymen could muster a single disapproving word when Notre Dame invited radical Islamist Tariq Ramadan to be chairman of their Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies.

Certain things are important to them. Certain things are not.

/not

10 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:14:03am

re: #7 Charles

Tariq Ramadan wants gays executed, women in bags, and infidels persecuted.

All that’s OK, I guess.

I’m grasping at straws here but, could it be that they did not research him thoroughly?

11 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:14:07am
Interestingly, none of these clergymen could muster a single disapproving word when Notre Dame invited radical Islamist Tariq Ramadan to be chairman of their Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies.

Because they are politically correct cowards.

12 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:14:35am

being pro-choice is one thing,
but voting 3 times against the infant born alive protection act
makes him too close to infanticide.

13 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:14:42am

ND: We believe embryonic stemcell research is just another name for human testing and since humans are in the animal kingdom, we ironically find ourselves aligned with PETA.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

14 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:15:09am

re: #10 MandyManners

Insert ‘properly vetted’ joke (here).

15 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:15:49am

Obama is likely pro-euthanasia. He hangs with that kind of crowd.

16 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:15:51am

re: #12 nyc redneck

being pro-choice is one thing,
but voting 3 times against the infant born alive protection act
makes him too close to infanticide.

how close is close but not too close?

17 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:16:02am

I grok not the U.S. Catholic church, most of the laity seems to respect the Pope about the way most Brits respect the Queen.

Maybe Obama can be elected first Pope of the neo-American Catholics, after he finishes his current gig. Or hey, at the same time, why not.

18 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:16:18am

re: #12 nyc redneck

Yes, and try telling that to Catholics who voted for him.

19 little boomer  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:16:20am

re: #11 pat

Because they are politically correct cowards.

Because none of them have read the Koran.

20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #10 MandyManners

I’m grasping at straws here but, could it be that they did not research him thoroughly?

It’s certainly possible.

21 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:17:08am

re: #8 BigPapa

I can’t agree. That’s so…. Berkeley free speech.

Freedom of speech does not mean your audience will approve, it just means you can say what you wish (and suffer the accolades or the rotten tomatoes)

22 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:17:09am

Notre Dame invited a Islamofascist to chair their international peace institute and now a man who is at the extreme end of pro-choice politics has been asked to deliver the commencement speech.

I think PC has taken the place of doctrine and common sense.

23 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:17:10am

re: #15 pat

Obama is likely pro-euthanasia. He hangs with that kind of crowd.

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK

24 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:17:48am

re: #14 BigPapa

Insert ‘properly vetted’ joke (here).

That seems to be a growing problem in this day and age DESPITE the ready availability of information on the Internet.

25 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:05am

re: #23 Alouette

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK

God, don’t pass them out at the next Republican meeting…..

26 Catttt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:30am

Well, good - not surprised. The bishop already said he wasn’t going to go.

Re Mr. Ramadan - Charles has a point. The thing is, Mr. Ramadan is a slippery character - he presents a western, intelligent, almost (but not quite, imho) charming demeanor. It’s easy for some to see him as western-oriented. We know better, and it is good to mention him and denounce him and remind everyone of his agenda.

27 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:32am

re: #23 Alouette

Repulsive.

28 Timbre  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:47am

This is one of those classic “too late” moments. If Notre Dame rescinds the already scheduled invitation to the President of the United States, they will look even more foolish than they are. They are stuck with the President.

29 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:48am

re: #15 pat

Obama is likely pro-euthanasia. He hangs with that kind of crowd.

His science czar hangs out with Ehrlich.

30 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:18:58am

re: #16 jdog29

how close is close but not too close?

the cardinal must know.
he is denouncing o’s invitation.

(btw ‘punished w/ a child’ was close enough for me.)

31 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #19 little boomer

Because none of them have read the Koran.

Actually the Koran is so strangely written that few can read it. But Islam can be studied, and in that you are correct. One would think comparative religion was mandatory at a Catholic Seminary, with an extremely detailed section on what Muslims believe.

32 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:19:45am

Good night Lizards. I have some live cricket on TV to watch now. See you on the LNDT.

33 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #20 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It’s certainly possible.

We are swimming in information nowadays. It’s out there just for the asking. To me, this boils down to the notion that they SHOULD have known.

34 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:20:21am

Well, this is certainly one way for Notre Dame to get press for their commencement address. I’m not sure that it’s the kind of attention they want.

35 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:20:57am

re: #16 jdog29

wtf?

36 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:20:59am

re: #28 Timbre

This is one of those classic “too late” moments. If Notre Dame rescinds the already scheduled invitation to the President of the United States, they will look even more foolish than they are. They are stuck with the President.

That is exactly right. The damage to the school if they cancel him now would be much worse than the actual speech. Obama’s teleprompter will probably just talk about his figgin’ Spend-o-rama budget anyway, stirring well clear of any controversial topics.

37 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:09am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Good night Lizards. I have some live cricket on TV to watch now. See you on the LNDT.

Where are you? Australia?

38 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:19am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Good night Lizards. I have some live cricket on TV to watch now. See you on the LNDT.

Cheers mate!

39 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #29 MandyManners

Both Chu (Energy) and Holdren (Science Adviser) are first class cranks. Although Chu in his field has done brilliant work.

40 esch  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #31 pat

Actually the Koran is so strangely written that few can read it.

Sounds like the IRS Code.

41 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:44am

Reality Check: President Obama’s speech will go over with respect and courtesy. There won’t be any pie throwers or green custard throwers and he won’t get booed, people won’t stand up and turn their backs.

Why because that’s not who Notre Dame is.

I hope they go 0-12 this fall and Charlie Weis looses his job, but I respect what Notre Dame stands for or at least has stood for in the past.

42 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #23 Alouette

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK

The Archbishop of Canterbury needs to focus on this stuff instead of singing the praises of sharia.

43 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:21:53am

I suppose it would be impolite to note the religious tendencies of Tariq Ramadan ?

44 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:22:08am

re: #33 MandyManners

We are swimming in information nowadays. It’s out there just for the asking. To me, this boils down to the notion that they SHOULD have known.

I agree

45 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:22:17am

re: #28 Timbre

This is one of those classic “too late” moments. If Notre Dame rescinds the already scheduled invitation to the President of the United States, they will look even more foolish than they are. They are stuck with the President.

So are we for four more years.

46 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:22:20am

Ramadan wasn’t invited to be chair but to be tenured at the Kroc.

47 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:22:34am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Good night Lizards. I have some live cricket on TV to watch now. See you on the LNDT.

*cricket*

48 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:23:00am

re: #42 MandyManners

The Archbishop of Canterbury needs to focus on this stuff [euthanasia kits for perfectly healthy people] instead of singing the praises of sharia.

Hey, the UK needs to cut its population by half somehow!

49 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:23:45am

re: #46 godfrey

Ramadan wasn’t invited to be chair but to be tenured at the Kroc.

Really?

50 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:23:46am

re: #21 Desert Dog

True, but I wouldn’t want to act like ‘them.’ Instead of a having a shout fest and and drama concert by trying to shout him out (which is why he has controlled dialogs and teleprompters), I’d rather have debate, actual articulate and critical debate. Just sayin…

51 Catttt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:23:47am

Don’t replace President O with Sec. of State Clinton!

Yes, I am still thinking of her asking who painted Our Lady of Guadalupe’s portrait that’s in the Basilica of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico City. (The monsignor answered, “God.”)

52 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:23:51am
53 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:24:04am

re: #48 Alouette

Hey, the UK needs to cut its population by half somehow!

How about starting with immigration?

54 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:24:13am

Night Erik, have fun and talk to you later.

55 keefe  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:24:53am

Haven’t eaten at Micky D’s since I learned of widow Kroc’s patronage of the Institute for International Peace Studies.

56 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #52 Bloodnok

That is awful. Just awful.

That looked like satire site.

57 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:25:25am

I am making so many excuses to avoid cleaning my car!

It’s cold in the garage, gotta wear my sweatshirt. Oops, sweatshirt is filthy, gotta wash it. Now it’s in the dryer. Just realized, isn’t it better to wear dirty sweatshirt to clean the car?

And, how can I return all those empty bottles in a clean car?

58 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:25:32am

Gotta’ feed The Kid. bbl

59 yesandno  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:25:44am

Think they should invite Bush to replace the 0….

still Presidential but oh so much more palatable!

60 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #10 MandyManners

I’m grasping at straws here but, could it be that they did not research him thoroughly?

Their google was broken?

61 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:04am

re: #4 Desert Dog

If they rescind the invite all it will do is make ND look bad and Obama look good. They should let him talk and boo the shit out of him, that would be a better outcome.

I don’t agree. The invite should be withdrawn and ND should say in no uncertain terms that it was a mistake to invite him in the first place, given his known positions that stand against those of Catholic faith.

62 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:06am

re: #56 kansas

That looked like satire site.

That’s my blog, and the article is from The Guardian.

63 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:09am

re: #35 unrealizedviewpoint

wtf?

my point is on this issue there is no fence to straddle as President Obama is fond of doing. I can’t just vote present and neither can anyone.

64 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:30am

Was ND that desperate for the prestige or are they up for some kind of grants?

65 LGoPs  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #23 Alouette

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK

An apt illustration of the fact that at its heart socialism does not care about people. People are an inconvenience to imposing its agenda.

66 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:26:55am

Tenured, yes. Maybe paid for by an endowed chair position.

67 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:27:22am

Over the next 4 years, President Obama will give the commencement address at all 4 service academy’s. He will be greeted with respect by those in attendance who will soon have him as their commander in chief. President Obama is no friend of the military (see his latest ploy to get wounded veterans to pay for their own healthcare) and many in the military do not respect him. Honestly, that is inconsequential. Politics aside, having the POTUS speak at your graduation is a huge honor. Those complaining about his pro-choice positions need to take a step back and ensure they aren’t missing the forest for the trees. I say let him speak, regardless of their views, folks will remember the day for a long time. I still remember when Bill Clinton gave the commencement address at the Coast Guard Academy in 1996 and I’m no fan of Bill Clinton.

68 callahan23  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:27:33am

re: #15 pat

Obama is likely pro-euthanasia. He hangs with that kind of crowd.

Then he should look across the atlantic, in GreatBritain actually exists an organization that calls for the partial removal of mankind.

UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt -
One of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Here you can actually make a donation to these humankind-haters Link. Fucking unbelievable

69 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:28:05am

re: #23 Alouette

I wonder what Tariq and Islam thinks about euthanasia.

70 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #69 BigPapa

I wonder what Tariq and Islam thinks about euthanasia.

I am sure they are all in favor of it, for the infidels.

71 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #62 Alouette

That’s my blog, and the article is from The Guardian.

What with the picture I guess I assumed it wasn’t real. Wow.

72 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:29:00am

Ramadan wasn’t exactly on any bishops’ radar before the snafu.

73 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:29:14am

re: #65 LGoPs

When I was a nurse we used to joke amongst ourselves about government subsidized “black pills.”Not so funny anymore.

74 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:30:14am

re: #69 BigPapa

I wonder what Tariq and Islam thinks about euthanasia.

His euthanasia kit is for sale on Ebay. It’s a big sword.

75 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #67 Jetpilot1101

ND is giving him an honorary doctorate of law — from a Catholic university!

No analogy.

76 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:31:22am
77 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:31:39am

re: #68 callahan23

Here you can actually make a donation to these humankind-haters Link. Fucking unbelievable

Muslims will be glad to help. They are experts at rape, death, pillage, and slavery.

78 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:31:41am

re: #23 Alouette

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK

if britain allows this, they are a failed state.
it would be an admission that hopelessness is accept by the gov’t.
and that suicide is considered an appropriate answer to life’s problems,
for healthy citizens.
omg.

79 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:32:05am

re: #70 Alouette

‘Assisted Euthanasia?’ LOL

80 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:32:34am

re: #22 MandyManners

Notre Dame invited a Islamofascist to chair their international peace institute and now a man who is at the extreme end of pro-choice politics has been asked to deliver the commencement speech.

I think PC has taken the place of doctrine and common sense.

Yes, it has.

And many Catholic clergy are just as susceptible as the rest of the country.

I honestly think many Catholic religious have lost their way. When the clergy espouse violating the law of the land by insisting that that it is the “Christian” thing to do to give aid and shelter to illegals who have violated our laws, they let down every law-abiding Catholic around.

When the clergy promote “charity” above self-sufficiency, they have let down every self-sufficient person around. Charity has its place; but in many cases, “charity” in the form of redistributing assets is promoted as being the obligation of every person. Leading, of course, to Catholics who will vote for somebody like Obama.

When the clergy promote “peace” at any cost, then people lose sight of the fact that “peace” is all well and good as long as everybody else is peaceful, but reacting in a non-peaceful way may be absolutely required in order to preserve what is right and good.

When “judgementalism” is promoted as a bad thing in all cases, people lose the ability to make appropriate distinctions as to what is good and what is not good.

And we elect officials like Barack Obama.

81 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:32:39am

re: #76 CapeCoddah

That’s a stalker site. I wouldn’t link to it.

82 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:33:39am
83 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:34:02am

Ramadan is ambiguous in a way that Obama, who executes his views, is emphatically not.

Obama also rescinded alternative stem cell research, which makes him objectively pro-death, not “pro-choice.”

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #80 reine.de.tout

If registration was open, I’d register a thousand socks and UP-DING that one more!

Spot-on!

85 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #81 Bloodnok

That’s a stalker site. I wouldn’t link to it.

Sorry for the link,, maybe Charles will delete it for me. These folks using Charles’s name should stop doing that crap.

86 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #33 MandyManners

We are swimming in information nowadays. It’s out there just for the asking. To me, this boils down to the notion that they SHOULD have known.

More like drowning. The information volume is so great that it is easy to miss something important.

87 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #76 CapeCoddah

That is a site developed by the banned SavageNation and some others.

88 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #78 nyc redneck

if britain allows this, they are a failed state.
it would be an admission that hopelessness is accept by the gov’t.
and that suicide is considered an appropriate answer to life’s problems,
for healthy citizens.
omg.

I know. Can you imagine what a product like this could do in the hands of troubled teens? I don’t even want to think about that. It’s just too horrible to contemplate.

89 Catttt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:15am

re: #67 Jetpilot1101

Those complaining about his pro-choice positions need to take a step back and ensure they aren’t missing the forest for the trees.

I make be wrong, but I’m guessing you aren’t Catholic. Abortion is more than a little tree in a forest, and a Catholic university, in inviting a guy who is not just pro-abortion, but actively, and in the extreme, pro-abortion, is truly shocking to Catholics. President O is Commander in Chief, and his speaking to the military is completely proper - it is entirely different in scope.

90 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #67 Jetpilot1101

He’s the CiC, but a Catholic university had no obligation to invite someone who supports the most radical form of abortion.

91 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #85 CapeCoddah

Sorry for the link,, maybe Charles will delete it for me. These folks using Charles’s name should stop doing that crap.

BTW, I reported it (but didn’t down-ding it).

92 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #87 reine.de.tout

That is a site developed by the banned SavageNation and some others.

Ah, that explains a lot.

93 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #91 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, I reported it (but didn’t down-ding it).

Thanks for reporting it, I did not mean to put a bad link up. Sorry.

94 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:36:22am

re: #50 BigPapa

True, but I wouldn’t want to act like ‘them.’ Instead of a having a shout fest and and drama concert by trying to shout him out (which is why he has controlled dialogs and teleprompters), I’d rather have debate, actual articulate and critical debate. Just sayin…

It’s a speech, so the communication will be one way. A tempid and cold response by the audience would be the best outcome. But, Obama is a “rock star”, he will get the cheers, even from the Catholic’s at ND

95 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:36:34am

What’s a LGF Facebook? And no, I have never been to Facebook so I don’t know what that is either.

96 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #33 MandyManners

We are swimming in information nowadays.

We’re also swimming in disinformation, and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants “born alive.” It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.

This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:

[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com…]

This is NOT as simple as “Obama supports baby-killing.” I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there’s a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue — from the right-wing side.

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #93 CapeCoddah

Thanks for reporting it, I did not mean to put a bad link up. Sorry.

Do you know that you can report it yourself?

98 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:06am

re: #87 reine.de.tout

That is a site developed by the banned SavageNation and some others.

The cutest moron?

99 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:21am

re: #87 reine.de.tout

I will be emailing you later today. Still dark here.

100 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #92 CapeCoddah

Ah, that explains a lot.

The person who posted that at the LGF facebook is the banned WrathofGod, I believe.

101 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:47am

re: #85 CapeCoddah

Sorry for the link,, maybe Charles will delete it for me. These folks using Charles’s name should stop doing that crap.

It is beneath contempt to try to gain credibility or internet hits by using the name of something that someone else has built. Not to mention that they probably steal his content, too. Assholes.

102 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:53am

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you know that you can report it yourself?

Never mind

103 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:37:54am

re: #95 pat

What’s a LGF Facebook? And no, I have never been to Facebook so I don’t know what that is either.

Some lizards started a facebook page for LGF. A banned LGF’er apparently started a hate LGF site and posted it on the facebook page for LGF

104 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:38:07am

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you know that you can report it yourself?

I did that too.

105 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:39:04am

re: #100 reine.de.tout

The person who posted that at the LGF facebook is the banned WrathofGod, I believe.

I reported that post on facebook, whoever the admin is over there will hopefully boot him out, also.

106 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:39:32am

re: #88 Bloodnok

I know. Can you imagine what a product like this could do in the hands of troubled teens? I don’t even want to think about that. It’s just too horrible to contemplate.

OMG.
You are so right.
I have a teen; she’s had her ups and downs (thankfully the downs seem to be behind us), but there was a period of time when she very well may have wanted to get her hands on something like this.
This is beyond disgusting.

107 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:39:53am
108 jdog29  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:39:56am

re: #23 Alouette

Euthanasia kits for the unemployed and depressed to go on sale in the UK


I guess by nowI should be beyond anyone’s ability to surprise, but wow!

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #93 CapeCoddah

Thanks for reporting it, I did not mean to put a bad link up. Sorry.

We lizards live slither and learn.

:D … no problem

110 Teh Flowah  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:41:21am

re: #7 Charles

Tariq Ramadan wants gays executed, women in bags, and infidels persecuted.

All that’s OK, I guess.

Usually Catholics are more consistent. As in, opposing the war, the death penalty, AND abortion (unlike many other Christians) but in this case, I think the outcry is quite without merit. He’s the POTUS. The fury reminds me of Obama and AIG. Overplayed and overdone.

111 splat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:41:52am

“UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt -
One of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.”

Well, the envirotards should stick to their principals, go buy one of those euthanasia kits and use it on themselves. This would prove their commitment to saving the planet from their kind.

112 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:42:18am

I don’t get the Facebook stuff.

113 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:42:31am

re: #94 Desert Dog

It’s a speech, so the communication will be one way.

Yes, that’s the point. It’s the wrong forum for 2 way communication. If you try and turn it into a two way communication, you run the risk of losing your message in the language or tactic, other than “We hate/don’t like/are against you.”

I don’t want to be that anti-alternate universe Code Pink for the conservative side.

114 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:43:18am

re: #88 Bloodnok

I know. Can you imagine what a product like this could do in the hands of troubled teens? I don’t even want to think about that. It’s just too horrible to contemplate.

i am numb thinking abt this culture of death emerging around the world.
and of all places in a civilized society that has somehow has managed to intellectualize the concept of suicide as a ‘good thing’
for healthy people.

115 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:44:04am

re: #76 CapeCoddah

That’s one the stalker sites. Started by an ex-lizard and populated by a number of disgruntled ex-lizards.

116 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:44:17am

re: #113 BigPapa

Yes, that’s the point. It’s the wrong forum for 2 way communication. If you try and turn it into a two way communication, you run the risk of losing your message in the language or tactic, other than “We hate/don’t like/are against you.”

I don’t want to be that anti-alternate universe Code Pink for the conservative side.

Fair enough, BP :-)

117 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:44:27am

OT: Science is you mum

118 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:45:26am

re: #115 CyanSnowHawk

That’s one the stalker sites. Started by an ex-lizard and populated by a number of disgruntled ex-lizards.

We are still gruntled here

119 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:45:32am
120 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:46:13am

re: #115 CyanSnowHawk

If the Savage Nation guy is the guy I’m thinking of, he/she was dangerously mentally disturbed.

121 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:46:44am

Count me in a currently gruntled.

122 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #119 Iron Fist

Those who run these outfits do not kill themselves. No. They prefer others to die because like Obama and Hillary, they must live for the cause, you see. Essential.

123 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:47:39am

re: #121 BigPapa

Count me in a currently gruntled.

I think I am, too.

Though I need another coffee to be certain.

124 horse  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #4 Desert Dog

If they rescind the invite all it will do is make ND look bad and Obama look good. They should let him talk and boo the shit out of him, that would be a better outcome.

Agreed, but they will likely have security so tight and draconian rules in place to quickly stifle any outbursts. Students and families will be warned in advance any outbursts will be met with quick punitive actions. They probably also won’t allow any protesters or signs outside of the event, ‘cause that’s how leftists roll…

125 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:48:20am

Mr. Obama, who could utter the words “punished with a baby” must be at his core at least indifferent to life, if not anti.

I would not invite this man to dinner at my house, he gives me the creeps, to put it mildly.

126 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:48:48am

re: #122 pat

Those who run these outfits do not kill themselves. No. They prefer others to die because like Obama and Hillary, they must live for the cause, you see. Essential.

Oh, yes.

I really don’t like those people.

127 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #120 whiterasta

If the Savage Nation guy is the guy I’m thinking of, he/she was dangerously mentally disturbed.

He tried to sneak back in with a sockpuppet called the cutest guy.

128 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:49:38am

Re: Suicide kit

It’s a test kit…..

Testing kits that allow people to check the strength of drugs they have bought in order to commit suicide are to be sold in the UK by one of the world’s leading advocates of euthanasia.


I don’t know what the assisted suicide laws are in the UK but this does allow people who are terminally ill to end their own lives without making a painful mistake.
This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

129 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:49:43am

re: #118 Desert Dog

We are still gruntled here

It’s a good feeling, isn’t it?

130 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:50:13am

re: #15 pat

Obama is likely pro-euthanasia. He hangs with that kind of crowd.

Funny coinky-dink, but I’m watching Million Dollar Baby right now. A beautiful, sad movie.

Personally, I think that people should be allowed to control their own destiny, including the time and manner in which they choose to end it. As for ND, count me among those who just among the profoundly apathetic as to whether he does or doesn’t speak there.

131 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:50:57am

re: #127 debutaunt

He tried to sneak back in with a sockpuppet called the cutest guy.

yup..that’s the dude..We keep our eyes open for Im_Too_Sexy_for_my_shirt_guy

132 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:51:16am

re: #124 horse

Agreed, but they will likely have security so tight and draconian rules in place to quickly stifle any outbursts. Students and families will be warned in advance any outbursts will be met with quick punitive actions. They probably also won’t allow any protesters or signs outside of the event, ‘cause that’s how leftists roll…

The protesters will be well away from that place. I am hoping ND gives him the benefit of his high position and I am sure they will. He is still the POTUS and that is still a big deal. But, you are right….the Dems love to protest and get it your face when it suits THEM…..when the tables are turned, they become the Committee of Public Safety and stamp out any dissent.

133 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #125 Ojoe

Mr. Obama, who could utter the words “punished with a baby” must be at his core at least indifferent to life, if not anti.

I would not invite this man to dinner at my house, he gives me the creeps, to put it mildly.

just drape an empty suit over the back of a chair.
the evening would be more enjoyable by far than having the teleprompter there,
in person.

134 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:51:59am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Re: Suicide kit

It’s a test kit…..


I don’t know what the assisted suicide laws are in the UK but this does allow people who are terminally ill to end their own lives without making a painful mistake.
This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

Were that the sole purpose that kit could be put to, KT, I would - uneasily - agree. I have huge issues with where assisted “suicide” leads, particularly for the disabled, the elderly, and the inconvenient.

135 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:53:57am

re: #133 nyc redneck

True.

These days, I can see why monasteries were such a big thing as sane places in a sea of madness, several hundred years back.

136 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Re: Suicide kit

It’s a test kit…..


I don’t know what the assisted suicide laws are in the UK but this does allow people who are terminally ill to end their own lives without making a painful mistake.
This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

I don’t have a problem with doctor assisted suicide. I do have a problem with something that could be misused by teens.

137 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:55:06am

UGH.

United Gruntled Honcos.
Neo-anti-idiotarian pragmatic non-hackers.

138 Catttt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:55:11am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Re: Suicide kit

It’s a test kit…..


I don’t know what the assisted suicide laws are in the UK but this does allow people who are terminally ill to end their own lives without making a painful mistake.
This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

Suicide itself may be so - it’s more of a moral or religious than legal matter. However, assisted suicide is a whole nother kettle of fish - that is illegal and is the issue. It’s a long, slippery slope from suicide check kits to mandatory suicide centers a la Soylent Green, imho.

139 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:55:13am

Neil Armstrong spoke at my commencement address. I was thrilled when I found out. Not so much during the speech. The echo was terrible. Couldn’t hear a thing. So much for commencement addresses.
A better way to protest would be with the checkbook. When Notre Dame comes begging for contributions, as all colleges do, alums should decline and explain in polite terms why they are declining.

140 callahan23  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:55:22am

re: #80 reine.de.tout

When the clergy promote “peace” at any cost, then people lose sight of the fact that “peace” is all well and good as long as everybody else is peaceful, but reacting in a non-peaceful way may be absolutely required in order to preserve what is right and good.
When “judgementalism” is promoted as a bad thing in all cases, people lose the ability to make appropriate distinctions as to what is good and what is not good.

I knew I was an agnostic if not an atheist for a very long time. Yet.
As I was raised as a Lutheran Protestant I stayed in that church for the sole reason that the role of the church as a do-gooder has the important function as a societal glue.
I live in Germany and I was obliged by the state to pay the church tax, no kidding. Yet I stayed on, for the stated reasons.
But this constant “peace” at any cost, defending other cultures and religions (aka. Islam) by the churches officials and ofttimes open antisemitism in the form of antizionism was the deciding element to drive me away and to cancel the contract.
You have to make a stand sometimes.

141 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #119 Iron Fist

The Voluntary Human Extinction movement would seem to be the logical end that they are headed towards. Personally, I wish they’d just go ahead and snuff themselves. It’ll leave more room (and toys :-) for the rest of us, and we’ll be rid of their constant whining about every subject in the Universe.

the voluntary human extinction group can kill themselves.
but there used to be laws abt. people trying to convince / coerce others to
kill themselves. at least society did frown on it at one time.
plus look at the huge possibility for criminal activity.
“oh i’m not guilty of murder, so and so WANTED me to off him.”

142 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:56:39am

re: #140 callahan23

Peace cannot be bought, it can only be earned.
Some dipshits can’t get their head around that.

143 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:56:40am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

yup..that’s the dude..We keep our eyes open for Im_Too_Sexy_for_my_shirt_guy

And didn’t someone figure out that the truck routes were too complex to be real, although he likely was a trucker? And wasn’t hter some home drama? Like always.

144 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:57:08am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Re: Suicide kit

It’s a test kit…..


I don’t know what the assisted suicide laws are in the UK but this does allow people who are terminally ill to end their own lives without making a painful mistake.
This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

So, if someone is depressed, it’s ok with you if they kill themselves? What if they don’t get that promotion? What if Jr.’s little league team loses the big game, is it ok for him to pull the plug? That is a very slippery slope and causually tossing that idea out like it’s not big deal is something, even for you KT. If you allow it for one group, let’s say the terminally ill, what is next? Who decides?

145 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:57:44am
146 Catttt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #143 pat

And didn’t someone figure out that the truck routes were too complex to be real, although he likely was a trucker? And wasn’t hter some home drama? Like always.

As near as I can figure, he was/is mentally ill. I do know that just hearing his nick gives me the willies.

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:58:15am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Great insight!
Thanks!

148 pat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #125 Ojoe

Mr. Obama, who could utter the words “punished with a baby” must be at his core at least indifferent to life, if not anti.

I would not invite this man to dinner at my house, he gives me the creeps, to put it mildly.

Wonder if Obama enjoyed JUNO, the movie?
/i don’t think so

149 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:59:05am

re: #143 pat

And didn’t someone figure out that the truck routes were too complex to be real, although he likely was a trucker? And wasn’t hter some home drama? Like always.

My Opinion was the dude had issues..

150 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:59:33am

re: #133 nyc redneck

just drape an empty suit over the back of a chair.
the evening would be more enjoyable by far than having the teleprompter there,
in person.

We have a Galaxy Quest comedy in the WH- the teleprompter tells zero what to say…and he says it…

Teleprompter, define “budget”…

sheesh

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #118 Desert Dog

We are still gruntled here

Rotating Title Nomination!

152 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 10:59:57am

re: #146 Catttt

As near as I can figure, he was/is mentally ill. I do know that just hearing his nick gives me the willies.

I remember Jaunte actually met him. I thought his posts were ok. He just took it too far sometimes…way to far

153 esch  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:00:08am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

This is one of those instincts conservatives need to get rid of. Stop trying to control other people’s lives. Don’t tell them how to live or how to die. It’s none of your business.

You have the ‘right’ to end your life. No one can stop you if you really intend to and carry it out intelligently and responsibly.

However, you do not have the right to help someone else to accomplish this. To see why this is a fundamentally bad idea, look at the Netherlands and their physician-euthanasia setup. They’re murdering the inconvenient, young and old.

154 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:00:09am

Good afternoon all.

155 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #125 Ojoe

Mr. Obama, who could utter the words “punished with a baby” must be at his core at least indifferent to life, if not anti.

I would not invite this man to dinner at my house, he gives me the creeps, to put it mildly.

I agree with you.

At comment #96, Charles indicated there is a lot of disinformation about the abortion issue and the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act”, coming from both sides, right & left.

That is true, I’m sure.

But it does not alter the fact that to me, Mr. Obama seems to be the most anti-life president we’ve ever had.

156 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:00:29am

re: #154 jorline

Good afternoon all.


hello! :)

157 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #154 jorline

Good afternoon all.

Hi there!

158 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #144 Desert Dog

So, if someone is depressed, it’s ok with you if they kill themselves? What if they don’t get that promotion? What if Jr.’s little league team loses the big game, is it ok for him to pull the plug? That is a very slippery slope and causually tossing that idea out like it’s not big deal is something, even for you KT. If you allow it for one group, let’s say the terminally ill, what is next? Who decides?

Exactly.
Who decides.
What is to keep somebody from using this for someone they want gone?
How will it be kept out of the hands of depressed kids?

159 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:02:20am

re: #145 Iron Fist

I also noticed that the headline indicates that these kits are for, among others, people with chronic depression. That’s a positive message to be sending. If you are depressed, don’t take anti-depressants, take a massive overdose of vallium. That will fix the problem.

I’ve always said that I considered Kevorkian to be one of the most successful serial killers ever. This is simply carrying his work to the masses.

What are the chances chronically depressed individuals are getting the latest and best anti-depressant meds when they live in country with a nationalized health system? Much less expensive to get rid of them than to treat them. Scary.

160 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:02:28am

re: #145 Iron Fist

I also noticed that the headline indicates that these kits are for, among others, people with chronic depression. That’s a positive message to be sending. If you are depressed, don’t take anti-depressants, take a massive overdose of vallium. That will fix the problem.

I’ve always said that I considered Kevorkian to be one of the most successful serial killers ever. This is simply carrying his work to the masses.

I cannot believe that anyone thinks chronic depression is cured by suicide. I remember when I was chronically depressed, killing myself would have required too much energy. It’s when you’re getting a little better that you might do it, out of pure dread of returning to that depressed state. But…it can get better. I haven’t had a really severe bout since the late 90’s. If someone offered me a “test kit” - made it easy to determine an easy exit - I might have been, at some point, fool enough to take it.

The real horror story, with Kevorkian (and you’re absolutely right about his being a wildly successful serial killer), is that many of his “patients” (read: victims) needed better treatment for pain, not to die!

161 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:03:05am

re: #144 Desert Dog

So, if someone is depressed, it’s ok with you if they kill themselves? What if they don’t get that promotion? What if Jr.’s little league team loses the big game, is it ok for him to pull the plug? That is a very slippery slope and causually tossing that idea out like it’s not big deal is something, even for you KT. If you allow it for one group, let’s say the terminally ill, what is next? Who decides?

Not all slopes are slippery DD. For example, we could decide that certain medical conditions would warrant a person being able to choose to end their lives or entitle one to assistance even. That is a long way from societal sanctioning it for transient emotional states or convenience or the other red herrings I’ve seen swimming by in this thread.

162 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #156 DisturbedEma

hello! :)

Hi, Ema…how are those babies?

163 tedzilla99  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:04:04am

Interestingly, a faculty position is lightyears different than who you invite to a very public commencement ceremony. Not that I disagree totally, but it’s apples and oranges, mate.

164 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:04:11am

re: #157 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hi there!

Hey, pBMb…hope all is well.

I’m lurking while catching up on the latest news.

165 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #155 reine.de.tout

I agree with you.

At comment #96, Charles indicated there is a lot of disinformation about the abortion issue and the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act”, coming from both sides, right & left.

That is true, I’m sure.

But it does not alter the fact that to me, Mr. Obama seems to be the most anti-life president we’ve ever had.

My main issue with the debate is the information part…that is, why is it so hard to get my fellow democrats, well, when I was one, to allow for INFORMED decisions.

My best friend now- have known her for 9+ years now…had a second trimester abortion when she was 20. She regrets it so much, and feels if she had known more about the stages of development, she would have had it and adopted it out…

I am glad I kept my baby…despite the circumstance of his conception…

166 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:05:36am

re: #162 jorline

Hi, Ema…how are those babies?

Getting SO BIG- Dara is just a sweetie, Dina too- the rest of the kids spoil them rotten!

167 Natasha  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:05:37am

re: #65 LGoPs

An apt illustration of the fact that at its heart socialism does not care about people. People are an inconvenience to imposing its agenda.

That’s correct. When a slave is no longer useful, socialism discards him, like a worn-out piece of machinery. My choice of the word, “slave” is not frivolous. Socialism IS slavery.

168 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:05:59am

re: #161 MJBrutus

Not all slopes are slippery DD. For example, we could decide that certain medical conditions would warrant a person being able to choose to end their lives or entitle one to assistance even. That is a long way from societal sanctioning it for transient emotional states or convenience or the other red herrings I’ve seen swimming by in this thread.

The problem is, well, I don’t see these as red herrings.

Whenever assisted suicide comes up, listen to the reactions of the disabled. They really dread it, and they have cause.

169 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:06:30am
170 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #165 DisturbedEma

My main issue with the debate is the information part…that is, why is it so hard to get my fellow democrats, well, when I was one, to allow for INFORMED decisions.

My best friend now- have known her for 9+ years now…had a second trimester abortion when she was 20. She regrets it so much, and feels if she had known more about the stages of development, she would have had it and adopted it out…

I am glad I kept my baby…despite the circumstance of his conception…

Having said that- it is just not in my view to convince women to do as I did or did not…I guess I am in favor of informed choices, and that means ALL options, ot just limited ones…

171 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:06:49am

re: #163 tedzilla99

Interestingly, a faculty position is lightyears different than who you invite to a very public commencement ceremony. Not that I disagree totally, but it’s apples and oranges, mate.

True. The faculty position lasts much longer, and is much more influential.

In other words, it’s a lot WORSE than a commencement speech.

172 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #106 reine.de.tout

OMG.
You are so right.
I have a teen; she’s had her ups and downs (thankfully the downs seem to be behind us), but there was a period of time when she very well may have wanted to get her hands on something like this.
This is beyond disgusting.

I lost a sister that way (16). There were failed attempts and I would spit in the eye of anyone who would have provided a product that could have stolen the last few months if not years that we had with her from us.

173 the_moll  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:07:11am

Sadly, most Catholic leaders are politicians and cowards; refusing to stand up for what they say is their own doctrine. In general, people are disgusted by weakness and hate hypocrisy.

If you call yourself a Catholic, be a Catholic. If not, call yourself something else and get out of the way.

174 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:07:29am

re: #161 MJBrutus

Not all slopes are slippery DD. For example, we could decide that certain medical conditions would warrant a person being able to choose to end their lives or entitle one to assistance even. That is a long way from societal sanctioning it for transient emotional states or convenience or the other red herrings I’ve seen swimming by in this thread.

I can see that with a terminally ill person. Knowing that nothing will stop death and the path there will be pure torture. In instances like that, it is something to look at. I am speaking more of “hey, it’s none of my business, give them a suicide kit, who cares?” kinda position. There are many people on this earth that would take that course if offered an easy, painless way to do it and I think that kind of promotion is wrong. It is a slippery slope, very, very, slippery once you cross that line.

175 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:07:33am

re: #169 Iron Fist

I went through a long period of chronic depression in the late ’80s - early ’90s. There were a lot of different reasons for it some that were quite valid, others that were a bit over-dramatic, but that’s the way I felt. I have no doubt whatsoever that had such a test kit been available, I would have made full use of it.

There are those who feel that the world would be a better place without me in it. The way I feel now, I’ll live just for spite. I’ll even enjoy it, just to piss the motherfuckers off :-)

Yes, I can relate…being happy is the best revenge…

176 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:08:45am

re: #171 Charles

True. The faculty position lasts much longer, and is much more influential.

In other words, it’s a lot WORSE than a commencement speech.

And is a paid position…is it not being funded outside source…?

177 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:08:58am

re: #171 Charles

True. The faculty position lasts much longer, and is much more influential.

In other words, it’s a lot WORSE than a commencement speech.

My only comment - and it’s merely an observation - is that perhaps the clergy felt on shaky ground with the Kroc professorship, and on solid ground on the issue of pro-choice.

That’s not saying they’re right.

178 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:09:23am

re: #161 MJBrutus

Not all slopes are slippery DD. For example, we could decide that certain medical conditions would warrant a person being able to choose to end their lives or entitle one to assistance even. That is a long way from societal sanctioning it for transient emotional states or convenience or the other red herrings I’ve seen swimming by in this thread.

Oh, good grief!
Who is the “we” you refer to?
At what point do the “we” decide that it’s not enough to allow a person to choose to end their lives, but decide it’s time to come up with a list of things that “we” would allow families or medical providers to make a decision a person’s life is not worth continuing and the “kind” thing to do is end it for them?

Didn’t we just recently have some congress-critters talking about how older Americans need to save the country’s money by just not worrying about getting treatment for conditions and instead, just going ahead and dying?

179 callahan23  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:09:27am

re: #169 Iron Fist

I went through a long period of chronic depression in the late ’80s - early ’90s. There were a lot of different reasons for it some that were quite valid, others that were a bit over-dramatic, but that’s the way I felt. I have no doubt whatsoever that had such a test kit been available, I would have made full use of it.

There are those who feel that the world would be a better place without me in it. The way I feel now, I’ll live just for spite. I’ll even enjoy it, just to piss the motherfuckers off :-)

GO! IRON FIST!
Piss them off as often as you can with happiness.

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:09:49am

re: #175 DisturbedEma

Yes, I can relate…being happy is the best revenge…

Should I make Iron Fist happier by telling him that comment REALLY pissed me off … ?

/ :D

181 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:10:32am

re: #178 reine.de.tout

I think that was Tom Daschle, who (mercifully) isn’t a congresscritter any more.

182 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:11:16am

Gates: U.S. Not Prepared to Respond to North Korea Missile Launch

Appearing on “FOX News Sunday,” Gates said North Korea “probably will” fire the missile, prompting host Chris Wallace to ask: “And there’s nothing we can do about it?”

“No,” Gates answered, adding, “I would say we’re not prepared to do anything about it.”

Last week, Admiral Timothy Keating, commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, said the U.S. is “fully prepared” to shoot down the missile. But Gates said such a response is unlikely.

“I think if we had an aberrant missile, one that was headed for Hawaii, that looked like it was headed for Hawaii or something like that, we might consider it,” Gates said. “But I don’t think we have any plans to do anything like that at this point.”

Gate is not speaking like an Aggie.

Obama’s, “Tuck Your Tail and Run”, policy…WTF?

Who hasn’t had a chance to shit on us within the last 60 days?

183 brookly red  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:11:17am

re: #168 Dianna

The problem is, well, I don’t see these as red herrings.

Whenever assisted suicide comes up, listen to the reactions of the disabled. They really dread it, and they have cause.

Do you remember the American version of the “suicide kit” the Palm Pistol by Constitution Arms… scary.

184 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:11:22am
185 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:11:40am

re: #179 callahan23

GO! IRON FIST!
Piss them off as often as you can with happiness.

I second that!

186 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:12:23am

re: #181 Dianna

I think that was Tom Daschle, who (mercifully) isn’t a congresscritter any more.

Thanks, I couldn’t recall who it was. I just recall what he said, something along the lines of we Americans must get used to the idea of getting old and dying rather than trying to expensivelly treat everything.

Scary words, for me - I have a chronic condition that requires an expensive treatment, and I ain’t getting any younger.

187 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #168 Dianna

The problem is, well, I don’t see these as red herrings.

Whenever assisted suicide comes up, listen to the reactions of the disabled. They really dread it, and they have cause.

We live in a democracy. So, the decision about what is allowed or what isn’t is ours. Under our Constitution, that decision is left up to each of the states. As with abortion, I don’t see the Federal government having a thing to say about the matter. I don’t consider this slope to be slippery because of the sensible resistance provided by those who don’t wish to travel down it much beyond the types of cases that most of us consider reasonable. The answer to “who decides?” is WE DO.

So yes, objections because one is afraid that some day we will condone assisted suicide for anyone who feels the blues is a red herring.

188 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:12:53am

re: #166 DisturbedEma

Getting SO BIG- Dara is just a sweetie, Dina too- the rest of the kids spoil them rotten!

I’m glad to hear that…siblings are probably having a blast which helps you as well.

189 Natasha  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #145 Iron Fist

I also noticed that the headline indicates that these kits are for, among others, people with chronic depression. That’s a positive message to be sending. If you are depressed, don’t take anti-depressants, take a massive overdose of vallium. That will fix the problem.

I’ve always said that I considered Kevorkian to be one of the most successful serial killers ever. This is simply carrying his work to the masses.

Death by socialist government. Again. And again. Ad infinitum. 100% “success” rate, every doggone time it is tried, anywhere. One way or another, socialism kills. Religion may be opium for the masses, but this is pure crack!

190 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #182 jorline

Maybe Obama can get Greenland to unclench their fist…
Baby steps

191 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #182 jorline

Gates: U.S. Not Prepared to Respond to North Korea Missile Launch

Gate is not speaking like an Aggie.

Obama’s, “Tuck Your Tail and Run”, policy…WTF?

Who hasn’t had a chance to shit on us within the last 60 days?

Maybe our anti-missile system is not at 100%? Japan has the same technology and they have already stated that they will deploy theirs.

The world is getting scarier by the day, isn’t it?

192 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:14:01am

re: #180 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

193 J.S.  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:14:54am

re: #163 tedzilla99

I don’t understand the point about “faculty position”? (any honorary degree is in name only — doesn’t confer any faulty position — typically it’s given to people with the hope that donations to the university will be made…)

194 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #184 Iron Fist

Yes.

KT has a point about the knee-jerk reaction some of us (I include me) have to the notion of suicide. I can grit my teeth, and make myself admit that a terminally ill person has (arguably) the right to shorten his or her suffering.

But the notion that suicide is otherwise acceptable - and assisted suicide in particular - just raises the hair on the back of my neck.

195 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:15:36am

re: #187 MJBrutus

We live in a democracy. So, the decision about what is allowed or what isn’t is ours. Under our Constitution, that decision is left up to each of the states. As with abortion, I don’t see the Federal government having a thing to say about the matter. I don’t consider this slope to be slippery because of the sensible resistance provided by those who don’t wish to travel down it much beyond the types of cases that most of us consider reasonable. The answer to “who decides?” is WE DO.

So yes, objections because one is afraid that some day we will condone assisted suicide for anyone who feels the blues is a red herring.

We live in a Republic my friend.

196 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:15:40am

re: #191 Desert Dog

Maybe our anti-missile system is not at 100%? Japan has the same technology and they have already stated that they will deploy theirs.

The world is getting scarier by the day, isn’t it?

This administration appears to be egging the enemy on.

197 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:15:48am

During her recent visit to Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an unexpected stop at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe and left a bouquet of white flowers “on behalf of the American people,” after asking who painted the famous image.

The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously imprinted by Mary on the tilma, or cloak, of St. Juan Diego in 1531. The image has numerous unexplainable phenomena, such as the appearance on Mary’s eyes of those present in the room when the tilma was opened and the image’s lack of decay.

Mrs. Clinton was received on Thursday at 8:15 a.m. by the rector of the Basilica, Msgr. Diego Monroy.

Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

198 esch  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #189 Natasha

Death by socialist government. Again. And again. Ad infinitum. 100% “success” rate, every doggone time it is tried, anywhere. One way or another, socialism kills. Religion may be opium for the masses, but this is pure crack!

Elitist leftists ALWAYS work their way around to justifying the murder of the inconvenient and annoying. And it’s always clothed in the language of ‘mercy’.

199 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:17:11am

re: #195 VegasRick

We live in a Republic my friend.

I use the term democracy in the (quite common) sense of a government which derives it’s authority from the will of the people. Please don’t split hairs over the pedantic “Athenian”, direct form of democracy and our form.

200 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:17:39am

re: #197 Dustyvet

Did Hillary respond, “Come again?”

201 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #173 the_moll

5,000 updings !

202 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:18:39am

re: #197 Dustyvet

During her recent visit to Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an unexpected stop at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe and left a bouquet of white flowers “on behalf of the American people,” after asking who painted the famous image.

The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously imprinted by Mary on the tilma, or cloak, of St. Juan Diego in 1531. The image has numerous unexplainable phenomena, such as the appearance on Mary’s eyes of those present in the room when the tilma was opened and the image’s lack of decay.

Mrs. Clinton was received on Thursday at 8:15 a.m. by the rector of the Basilica, Msgr. Diego Monroy.

Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

I saw that yesterday.
You think perhaps she would prepare herself enough for these things to actually, you know, know something.

203 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:18:41am

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

LOL! … I’m passing that on to friends!

MWAH!

204 Natasha  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:19:25am

re: #194 Dianna

“Assisted” suicide smacks too much of murder. However, if an individual, being in his right mind, decides enough is enough, it is his business alone. Nobody but that person knows just how much they can take before their life becomes an unbearable burden to themselves. Suffering is not beautiful. Agony is not noble. If one decides that at some point it is all he can take, he should be able to end it. But it should be his decision alone, not the government’s, not his heirs’ or friends’.

205 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:19:47am

re: #187 MJBrutus

We live in a democracy. So, the decision about what is allowed or what isn’t is ours. Under our Constitution, that decision is left up to each of the states. As with abortion, I don’t see the Federal government having a thing to say about the matter. I don’t consider this slope to be slippery because of the sensible resistance provided by those who don’t wish to travel down it much beyond the types of cases that most of us consider reasonable. The answer to “who decides?” is WE DO.

So yes, objections because one is afraid that some day we will condone assisted suicide for anyone who feels the blues is a red herring.

I don’t know where to begin with that.

Assisted suicide will result in the murder of the inconvenient. The fact that “chronic depression” was mentioned in the linked article’s lede is what makes some of us prick up our ears; particularly those of us who have experienced it. If you can’t see the danger, you can’t. It’s a failure of logic and extrapolation.

When assisted suicide is the subject, not every fish is a red herring.

206 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #199 MJBrutus

I use the term democracy in the (quite common) sense of a government which derives it’s authority from the will of the people. Please don’t split hairs over the pedantic “Athenian”, direct form of democracy and our form.


Spliting hairs is not something that I do. Our Founders wanted a Republic as opposed to a Democracy so that 51% of the population could not tell the other 49% how to live. BIG difference.

207 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #191 Desert Dog

Maybe our anti-missile system is not at 100%? Japan has the same technology and they have already stated that they will deploy theirs.

The world is getting scarier by the day, isn’t it?

We’ve known for 30 days? Bush was ready and took action.

208 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #161 MJBrutus

I think life is a gift from God & he has the say so how long it is.

Otherwise, a slippery slope to the inferno.

That’s what I think, others may do otherwise & the consequences will certainly be seen after a while.

209 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:21:30am

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL! … I’m passing that on to friends!

MWAH!

Oh, that’s one of your BEST!Isn’t this one “Awwwwwwwwww”-ful?

210 lobo91  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:21:39am

re: #202 reine.de.tout

I saw that yesterday.
You think perhaps she would prepare herself enough for these things to actually, you know, know something.

Nobody who actually knows anything about her would think that. Many people seem to believe she’s the smartest woman in the world.

Preparation is for ordinary people.

211 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:22:33am

re: #204 Natasha

“Assisted” suicide smacks too much of murder. However, if an individual, being in his right mind, decides enough is enough, it is his business alone. Nobody but that person knows just how much they can take before their life becomes an unbearable burden to themselves. Suffering is not beautiful. Agony is not noble. If one decides that at some point it is all he can take, he should be able to end it. But it should be his decision alone, not the government’s, not his heirs’ or friends’.

I agree with your first sentence and your last.

Everything in between would require an essay to address.

212 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:22:45am

Euthanasia of sorts has been going on in US hospitals for decades.It is not usually discussed,though implied by MD orders when extreme suffering and no hope of recovery exists for a patient.Many who have worked with cancer patients know what I’m talking about.This is a far cry from picking up a suicide kit at your local clinic, or perhaps from a trendy cafe, then offing yourself because life sucks at the moment.

213 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:23:23am

Howdy. My weekend so far:

-Had drinks with work buddies (wife is out of town); had an intern 15 years younger than I am coming on to me. I did absolutely nothing untoward, but I’ll admit; it’s an ego boost, isn’t it, guys?

-Good news; new grips (gorgeous rosewood ones) have solved the grip-slippage problem on my Kimber. And probably as a result, I shot much better with it yesterday. It was a crowded and LOUD day at the range, with several people shooting M-4 (civvie legal) variants, some guys with a semiauto 10 gauge Saiga with a cartoonishly large magazine, and the guy next to me blasting away with a very interesting M-4 type rifle in .458 SOCOM. Glad I head doubled-up ear protection.

-Saw Watchmen. I liked it.

214 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:23:46am
215 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:23:57am

Notre Dame is pretty much a CINO school (Catholic In Name Only). All these things, like inviting Tariq Ramadan to teach, Obama to speak - none of them surprise me. I put ND right there with Georgetown and Gonzaga - overrun with liberal P&J types.

216 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #206 VegasRick

Spliting hairs is not something that I do. Our Founders wanted a Republic as opposed to a Democracy so that 51% of the population could not tell the other 49% how to live. BIG difference.

If you’re going to correct me, please get your facts straight.

From dictionary.com:

de⋅moc⋅ra⋅cy
   /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

217 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:04am

re: #215 Ward Cleaver

Notre Dame is pretty much a CINO school (Catholic In Name Only). All these things, like inviting Tariq Ramadan to teach, Obama to speak - none of them surprise me. I put ND right there with Georgetown and Gonzaga - overrun with liberal P&J types.

And their football team sucks too!
/

218 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:38am

there is something so wrong in society when the gov’t makes suicide kits readily available to the citizens it is supposed to be serving.

219 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:45am

re: #215 Ward Cleaver

CINO, lol.

220 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:48am

re: #172 Bloodnok

I lost a sister that way (16). There were failed attempts and I would spit in the eye of anyone who would have provided a product that could have stolen the last few months if not years that we had with her from us.

So very very sorry to hear this.
I can’t imagine the sadness.

221 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:25:58am

re: #214 Iron Fist

One of the great ironies of the 20th Century was that Marxists derrided religion as the “opiate of the masses”, but the only society that communism has evered worked in (and I believe will ever work in) are monastic religious orders.

GREAT observation.

222 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Maybe Obama can get Greenland to unclench their fist…
Baby steps

Gates also lamented that the missile launch planned by dictator Kim Jong-Il comes just two months after President Obama took office.

The Obama administration has signaled it wants to scale back the deployment of a missile defense system that was initiated by former President George W. Bush. The White House is also talking about dropping plans for missile defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic.

We’re toast…Obama’s actions do not honor your son’s service Hoopster.

223 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #218 nyc redneck

there is something so wrong in society when the gov’t makes suicide kits readily available to the citizens it is supposed to be serving.

I do not believe they’re handing them out, yet.

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:27:22am

re: #209 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, that’s one of your BEST!Isn’t this one “Awwwwwwwwww”-ful?

WOW!
I looked for signs of photoshopping, but didn’t find any.

Are you having any late-winter weather up there?

225 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:27:29am

re: #217 VegasRick

And their football team sucks too!
/


It’s not the Notre Dame I once knew..

226 lobo91  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #205 Dianna

I don’t know where to begin with that.

Assisted suicide will result in the murder of the inconvenient. The fact that “chronic depression” was mentioned in the linked article’s lede is what makes some of us prick up our ears; particularly those of us who have experienced it. If you can’t see the danger, you can’t. It’s a failure of logic and extrapolation.

When assisted suicide is the subject, not every fish is a red herring.

I read something the other day about an apparent trend toward people having sick pets euthanized, rather than pay for expensive treatments for them, due to the economy.

Many people consider their pets to be part of the family.

If someone can decide that it’s more cost effective to have their dog put down instead of paying to get its broken leg fixed, I don’t think it’s that big a leap for them to decide that it’s too expensive to pay for live-in care for that grandparent with Alzheimer’s.

227 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:28:10am
228 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:28:21am

re: #216 MJBrutus

If you’re going to correct me, please get your facts straight.

From dictionary.com:

de⋅moc⋅ra⋅cy
   /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Take a few minutes to learn.

[Link: www.wimp.com…]

229 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #208 Ojoe

I think life is a gift from God & he has the say so how long it is.

Otherwise, a slippery slope to the inferno.

That’s what I think, others may do otherwise & the consequences will certainly be seen after a while.

I’d like to add to this.
Each person’s life touches every life with which it comes in contact in ways that aren’t always apparent.
When my dad was dying, my mom and I were going up to ICU in the elevator with another woman, a complete stranger to us. My mom was crying. This woman asked, with great compassion, “Is there anything I can do?”
I smiled and said, “Pray for us.”
She got off with us on our floor and sat with us in the family waiting room, She did indeed pray with and for us. She then took off the cross from her neck and gave it to my mother to wear. She said, “I know you’ll get it back to me some day.”
After about 20 minutes, she went up to visit her husband, who was recovering from surgery.
We’ve kept in touch. It turned out that her 2nd cousin was one of my students, and months later I was able to return the cross for my mom, This woman told me that my mom and I were a gift to HER because she had been so worried and depressed about her husband’s condition. He went on to fully recover.
We shouldn’t presume to actively end a life—how can we know what else we may be ending?

230 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #223 Dianna

I do not believe they’re handing them out, yet.

they are apparently going to be made available in may in britain.

231 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

It’s all part of the grand plan.

/UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt

Sounds like they’re suffering from “China Syndrome”.

232 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #182 jorline

WTF?

“If it seems to be headed towards HI we might do something about it..”

I live in Hawaii asshole. You and your [deleted] [deleted] ‘s can go [deleted] your [deleted] [deleted] off and [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] you [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] .

spit.

233 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

It’s all part of the grand plan.

/UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt

Tell me how they’re going to stop the Muslim immigrants from popping out baby after baby?

234 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:30:23am

re: #226 lobo91

I read something the other day about an apparent trend toward people having sick pets euthanized, rather than pay for expensive treatments for them, due to the economy.

Many people consider their pets to be part of the family.

If someone can decide that it’s more cost effective to have their dog put down instead of paying to get its broken leg fixed, I don’t think it’s that big a leap for them to decide that it’s too expensive to pay for live-in care for that grandparent with Alzheimer’s.

I agree with you.

I will say, however, that in my house, my pets are treated very well. We have paid for 3 “knee” surgeries at $1500 (or more) a pop for les animeaux.

They were otherwise very healthy, and I simply could not even consider having them euthanized because they were going to cost me some money.

235 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:30:42am

re: #199 MJBrutus

I use the term democracy in the (quite common) sense of a government which derives it’s authority from the will of the people. Please don’t split hairs over the pedantic “Athenian”, direct form of democracy and our form.

The American form of government: WATCH THIS

236 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

Beautiful!
I got chills reading that.
Thank you for sharing the story.

237 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:31:22am

re: #230 nyc redneck

they are apparently going to be made available in may in britain.

I have no idea what the British will say, but they very well may look at that and have a cow.

It does feel like one of those bureaucratic decisions, the kind where the consequences simply never get examined.

238 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:31:36am
239 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:31:38am

re: #226 lobo91

I read something the other day about an apparent trend toward people having sick pets euthanized, rather than pay for expensive treatments for them, due to the economy.

Many people consider their pets to be part of the family.

If someone can decide that it’s more cost effective to have their dog put down instead of paying to get its broken leg fixed, I don’t think it’s that big a leap for them to decide that it’s too expensive to pay for live-in care for that grandparent with Alzheimer’s.

I think that argument overreaches, to be frank. Animals are not people. My mom and dad had their beloved cat “put down” last year; he had reached a ripe old age, and the treatment necessary to keep him going would have been uncertain and incredibly expensive. But it’s quite a leap to say they’d have run through the same process with - say - me, as a kid, had I come down with something.

If anything, I’d guess that Americans spend far more keeping their pets alive than they did, say, 50 years ago.

240 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:32:19am

OT: Take the Limbaugh Challenge

Liberals who hate Rush Limbaugh — why don’t you actually listen to his show before bashing him?
By Andrew Klavan
March 29, 2009
If you are reading this newspaper, the likelihood is that you agree with the Obama administration’s recent attacks on conservative radio talker Rush Limbaugh. That’s the likelihood; here’s the certainty: You’ve never listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Oh no, you haven’t. Whenever I interrupt a liberal’s anti-Limbaugh rant to point out that the ranter has never actually listened to the man, he always says the same thing: “I’ve heard him!”

On further questioning, it always turns out that by “heard him,” he means he’s heard the selected excerpts spoon-fed him by the distortion-mongers of the mainstream media. These excerpts are specifically designed to accomplish one thing: to make sure you never actually listen to Limbaugh’s show, never actually give him a fair chance to speak his piece to you directly.

Which leads to a question: Why not? I mean, come on, the guy’s one of the figures of the age. Aren’t you even curious? I listen to all your guys: NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, The Times, the New York Times, the New Yorker — I check out the whole left-wing hallelujah chorus. Why are you afraid to spend a couple of hours listening to Limbaugh’s show and seriously considering if and why you disagree with him?

Let me guess at your answer. You don’t need to listen to him. You’ve heard enough to know he’s a) racist, b) hateful, c) stupid, d) merely an outrageous entertainer not to be taken seriously or e) all of the above.

Now let me tell you the real answer: You’re a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. You’re terrified of finding out he makes more sense than you do.

In the LA Times no less.

241 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:32:44am

re: #238 Iron Fist

I haven’t seen Watchmen. I’ve intended to go, I just haven’t had the time. I’ve seen several positive reviews of it.

I think you’ll like Watchmen. I did.

242 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:32:57am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

Thanks, I couldn’t recall who it was. I just recall what he said, something along the lines of we Americans must get used to the idea of getting old and dying rather than trying to expensivelly treat everything.

Scary words, for me - I have a chronic condition that requires an expensive treatment, and I ain’t getting any younger.

This is a complex issue, but we do get old, and we will die. I have been through this process with my parents. Dad had 3 heart surgeries, 2 colon surgeries, and his pancreas removed, all on medicare. Did it prolong his life. Who knows? It sure made his last years that of mostly recovering from some procedure.

When Mom got dementia and was terminal, I had to fight with them to not do procedures. Colonscopy? No. More blood work? Is she symptomatic? No. Well, then no, no blood work. Well, she has high blood pressure. Yeah, so do I. Knock that shit off.

Hell, these people use old people like buzzards use road kill.

243 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #231 jorline

Sounds like they’re suffering from “China Syndrome”.

Native Brits already have a pretty low birth rate. But for the green-loonies, that’s not enough. They have to simply stop breeding. Of course, this would put the UK on track to be a Muslim country all the sooner.

244 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #228 VegasRick

Take a few minutes to learn.

[Link: www.wimp.com…]

I don’t need grade school civics lessons from you as I’m perfectly familiar with our form of government and our Constitution. Unless you can show me that the definition of democracy I provided (one with which our founders were perfectly familiar) is inconsistent with ours I suggest you just drop your silly game. I doubt that anybody here apart from yourself appreciates this kind of adolescent, pedantic crap.

245 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #239 Occasional Reader

If anything, I’d guess that Americans spend far more keeping their pets alive than they did, say, 50 years ago.

Insanely more.

246 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:30am

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

That was inspiring. Thank you.

247 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:39am

re: #213 Occasional Reader

Howdy. My weekend so far:

-Had drinks with work buddies (wife is out of town); had an intern 15 years younger than I am coming on to me. I did absolutely nothing untoward, but I’ll admit; it’s an ego boost, isn’t it, guys?

-Good news; new grips (gorgeous rosewood ones) have solved the grip-slippage problem on my Kimber. And probably as a result, I shot much better with it yesterday. It was a crowded and LOUD day at the range, with several people shooting M-4 (civvie legal) variants, some guys with a semiauto 10 gauge Saiga with a cartoonishly large magazine, and the guy next to me blasting away with a very interesting M-4 type rifle in .458 SOCOM. Glad I head doubled-up ear protection.

-Saw Watchmen. I liked it.

I saw Watchmen on opening weekend. I thought it worked pretty well and I didn’t miss any of the crap that all the fanboys were bitching about. Dr. Manhattan’s fortress on Mars was absolutely gorgeous.

Saw Monsters Vs. Aliens yesterday with Mrs. Hawk and Little Hawk. I really enjoyed it. There were classic references galore. If you are a longtime fan of Sci-Fi, it’s great fun. The story was a little tired and some of the characters were a little flat aside from that.

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:33:52am

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

Each person’s life touches every life with which it comes in contact in ways that aren’t always apparent ……….

I violated protocol by bringing in SockPuppy to up-ding that a second time.

249 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #239 Occasional Reader

I think that argument overreaches, to be frank. Animals are not people. My mom and dad had their beloved cat “put down” last year; he had reached a ripe old age, and the treatment necessary to keep him going would have been uncertain and incredibly expensive. But it’s quite a leap to say they’d have run through the same process with - say - me, as a kid, had I come down with something.

If anything, I’d guess that Americans spend far more keeping their pets alive than they did, say, 50 years ago.

The trend has to do with young, healthy animals (if it’s the same study I ran across), who have eminently treatable conditions. It was pretty disturbing to read.

250 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:34:27am

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

thank you for sharing that amazing story.

251 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:34:42am

re: #228 VegasRick

Take a few minutes to learn.

[Link: www.wimp.com…]

Excellent video.

252 lobo91  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:35:13am

re: #234 reine.de.tout

I agree with you.

I will say, however, that in my house, my pets are treated very well. We have paid for 3 “knee” surgeries at $1500 (or more) a pop for les animeaux.

They were otherwise very healthy, and I simply could not even consider having them euthanized because they were going to cost me some money.

My wife and I are the same way about our pets. Many Americans are.

Having said that, though, I’m sure there’s some point where any of us would agree that it’s simply too expensive. I wouldn’t pay for treatment for our dog that would require us to get a second mortgage on the house.

The people in that article weren’t refusing to pay for insanely expensive, exotic treatments, though. They were literally balking at paying for things like fixing a broken leg after the dog was hit by a car.

253 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #244 MJBrutus

I don’t need grade school civics lessons from you as I’m perfectly familiar with our form of government and our Constitution. Unless you can show me that the definition of democracy I provided (one with which our founders were perfectly familiar) is inconsistent with ours I suggest you just drop your silly game. I doubt that anybody here apart from yourself appreciates this kind of adolescent, pedantic crap.

You have some ego brother, are you related to Avanti?

254 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:35:25am

OT: 6 Shot Dead at North Carolina Nursing Home

DEVELOPING: Six people were shot and killed at a North Carolina nursing home, WRAL.com reports.

Three others, including a police officer and the suspect, were also injured, according to WBT News Talk Radio. The suspect is reportedly in police custody.

255 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:35:44am

re: #238 Iron Fist

The Saiga would have been in 12ga, I think. I don’t think they make a 10ga variant. The magazine would take 10 rounds. It is something of a monster. I’ve seen them with the barrel cut to ten or twelve inches and a folding stock. NFA weapon, of course. I don’t know how practical it is, though.

The .458 SOCOM is interesting. I’m thinking about buying a .450 Bushmaster upper. It is a good hunting round (although I haven’t hunted since I was a kid), and it is kind of neat.

I haven’t seen Watchmen. I’ve intended to go, I just haven’t had the time. I’ve seen several positive reviews of it.

Pardon the typo on the Saiga, yes, it was 12 gauge. I was kind of stunned by how loud it was. I suppose my Mossberg is just as loud when I shoot it at the range, but damn, it sure doesn’t seem it.

The .458 SOCOM round looked like it would really, really ruin your whole day if you were on the wrong end of it.

There were also a couple of guys with a full-auto Uzi, and at least one other full-auto something or other being fired. The shooters were feeling FRISKY yesterday, I guess.

256 LGoPs  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #214 Iron Fist

Outside of a monestary, the willingness to sacrifice personal gain for the many simply isn’t there. No one epitimizes this more than the Democratic leadership. Obscenbely wealthy themselves, they never fail to exhort people who aren’t as fortunate as themselves to give up more for the needs of the many. “Spreading the wealth” doesn’t mean breaking up Kennedy’s trust fund or Obama or Clition’s mega-padays for their books. It means taking huge amounts from the married couple with two average panying jobs who are now classified as “wealthy” because their combined salary is over $80K.

For the children™ no doubt.

An inconvenient truth for leftists is that Lenin and his revolutionary buddies replaced the aristocracy with one of their own.
I see a similar pattern with the Democrats you describe above.
Party of the little guy my ass.

257 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:36:16am

re: #251 Bloodnok

Excellent video.

I thought so too. (just don’t tell brutass).

258 axegrinder  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #241 Dianna

I think you’ll like Watchmen. I did.

Be prepared for a blood fest. Not for the kiddies.

259 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:36:41am

re: #242 kansas

Please remember that many people will sue if the providers don’t at least offer to do these procedures.

Everyone’s got horror stories, on both sides.

260 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:36:42am

re: #232 BigPapa

WTF?

“If it seems to be headed towards HI we might do something about it..”

I live in Hawaii asshole. You and your [deleted] [deleted] ‘s can go [deleted] your [deleted] [deleted] off and [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] you [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] .

spit.

Apparently, Obama feels you’re expendable, BigPapa.

Obama speak…some forfeit their lives for the masses.

261 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:37:23am

re: #247 CyanSnowHawk

Dr. Manhattan’s fortress on Mars was absolutely gorgeous.

Gorgeous, but weirdly… pointless? I thought so, anyway.

And I could have done without having to see Dr. Manhattan’s big, blue… you know.

262 lobo91  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #249 Dianna

The trend has to do with young, healthy animals (if it’s the same study I ran across), who have eminently treatable conditions. It was pretty disturbing to read.

Exactly.

263 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #253 VegasRick

You have some ego brother, are you related to Avanti?

I’m not the one who jumped in to brag of knowing the difference between a republic and a pure democracy. Talk about ego.

264 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:38:19am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Gorgeous, but weirdly… pointless? I thought so, anyway.

And I could have done without having to see Dr. Manhattan’s big, blue… you know.

*hello?*

265 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #233 Bobblehead

Tell me how they’re going to stop the Muslim immigrants from popping out baby after baby?

Birth control meds in the hummus?
/

266 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:07am

re: #257 VegasRick

I thought so too. (just don’t tell brutass).

Very good. I see you’ve found a level debate suitable for you.

267 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:20am
268 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:41am

re: #258 axegrinder

Be prepared for a blood fest. Not for the kiddies.

Very true. One young lady - about 14, I’d guess - fled.

269 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #242 kansas

This is a complex issue, but we do get old, and we will die. I have been through this process with my parents. Dad had 3 heart surgeries, 2 colon surgeries, and his pancreas removed, all on medicare. Did it prolong his life. Who knows? It sure made his last years that of mostly recovering from some procedure.

When Mom got dementia and was terminal, I had to fight with them to not do procedures. Colonscopy? No. More blood work? Is she symptomatic? No. Well, then no, no blood work. Well, she has high blood pressure. Yeah, so do I. Knock that shit off.

Hell, these people use old people like buzzards use road kill.

Kansas - I had the same issues with my parents. With my father, who refused to eat, had senile dementia, and was obviously dying, I decided to withhold a feeding tube which may or may not have prolonged his life. And we had hospice care at the very end, to ensure he was comfortable.

With my mom, who was on machines but had essentially died, I made the decision to remove the medication that was artificially keeping her blood pressure up to a level they could consider “alive”.

In neither case would the care they were receiving have prolonged life.

Removing (or denying) artificial means of “life” when a person is obviously not able to survive (or is considered alive only because they are being kept so artificially) is a different thing entirely than withholding treatment that will cure a person (or allow him/her to live a productive life), and different than giving a person a drug or treatment that will shorten the person’s life.

270 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #265 CyanSnowHawk

Birth control meds in the hummus?
/

I think you’re on to something there. Sounds doable. LOL

271 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:39:50am

re: #249 Dianna

The trend has to do with young, healthy animals (if it’s the same study I ran across), who have eminently treatable conditions. It was pretty disturbing to read.

Ah. Well, in that case, I would have to wonder about those particular people.

272 Macker  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #247 CyanSnowHawk

Saw Monsters Vs. Aliens yesterday with Mrs. Hawk and Little Hawk. I really enjoyed it. There were classic references galore. If you are a longtime fan of Sci-Fi, it’s great fun. The story was a little tired and some of the characters were a little flat aside from that.

Any references to Tin Cans or Toasters?

273 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:40:14am

re: #244 MJBrutus

I don’t need grade school civics lessons from you as I’m perfectly familiar with our form of government and our Constitution. Unless you can show me that the definition of democracy I provided (one with which our founders were perfectly familiar) is inconsistent with ours I suggest you just drop your silly game. I doubt that anybody here apart from yourself appreciates this kind of adolescent, pedantic crap.

I liked the video and it provides the proof for which you are asking.

274 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:40:33am

re: #252 lobo91

The people in that article weren’t refusing to pay for insanely expensive, exotic treatments, though. They were literally balking at paying for things like fixing a broken leg after the dog was hit by a car.

That would be sad.

But I keep hearing the other side, pets being treated for chronic health problems, costing thousands per year, never to be well again in any case.

275 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:40:41am

re: #263 MJBrutus

Oh, enough!

276 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:40:56am
277 J.S.  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:41:05am

re: #252 lobo91

I just watched a re-run of that Seinfeld episode (the one called “The Merv Griffin Set”) in which George, to avoid running over a pigeon, runs over a squirrel. George (who was driving the car) has a girl friend in the passenger seat, and she witnesses the accident, and insists that George deliberately ran over the squirrel (she didn’t see the pigeon in the middle of the lane or realize that George was attempting to avoid running over the pigeon). George’s girl friend demands that George do everything possible to save the life of the squirrel…(the vet insists that he requires tiny, tiny medical instruments for which George has to pay, etc.) Eventually the recuperated squirrel is attacked by a hawk on “The Merv Griffin Set” in Kramer’s apartment…

278 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:41:56am

re: #264 debutaunt

*hello?*

Naughty bits

279 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:42:03am

re: #270 Bobblehead

I think you’re on to something there. Sounds doable. LOL

Stay away from my gyros. And the babaganouj.

280 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #263 MJBrutus

I’m not the one who jumped in to brag of knowing the difference between a republic and a pure democracy. Talk about ego.

re: #266 MJBrutus

Very good. I see you’ve found a level debate suitable for you.


I’m not trying to pick a fight with you or brag about anything. I was just pointing out the diff and posted a link that I think explains it well.

281 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #267 Ward Cleaver

OT:

Gates: Sorry, we don’t have any balls

We’ve been discussing this gutless action. If I was Gates, I would have puked in a bucket after telling that big of a lie.

How are you today Ward?

282 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:43:02am

re: #268 Dianna

Very true. One young lady - about 14, I’d guess - fled.

Three people in the seats a few rows in front of us left. I don’t know if they were grossed out, or fanboy/girl purists who were outraged at some lack of purity. Being utterly oblivious to the Watchmen comic book… er, sorry, graphic novel… none of that bothered me.

The movie does take some digs at conservatives, I thought, but it was still quite good.

283 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #259 Dianna

Please remember that many people will sue if the providers don’t at least offer to do these procedures.

Everyone’s got horror stories, on both sides.


Well, a lot of this is much more clear in retrospect for sure. The lesson I learned from both Mom and Dad is to have an advanced medical directive, and to have an agent willing to do what I wanted when I was able to know what I wanted.

For now, I hope when the time comes I can acknowledge that life is finite, and that it is not right that I should use more money in health resources merely prolonging the inevitable in a couple of years than I made in my lifetime.

284 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #271 Occasional Reader

Ah. Well, in that case, I would have to wonder about those particular people.

Me, too.

I remember going through a terrible struggle when I had a puppy with seizures. In the end, they were getting more severe and frequent, and no cause or treatment had been found, so I put her to sleep. It was a decision I’ve never been happy with, but I was $3000 down, and no closer to helping her.

285 Natasha  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #256 LGoPs

An inconvenient truth for leftists is that Lenin and his revolutionary buddies replaced the aristocracy with one of their own.
I see a similar pattern with the Democrats you describe above.
Party of the little guy my ass.

The “little guy” is just a vehicle. Once the vehicle served its purpose, it is no longer worthy of consideration. Lenin started the new aristocracy, but Stalin really perfected it. While still retaining the old communist rhetoric, he effectively resurrected the old empire, and ruled as an emperor.

286 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #265 CyanSnowHawk

Birth control meds in the hummus?
/

Why don’t we first try not paying people to have children on the public dime?
If the law was amended to grant citizenship only to children of citizens and lawful permanent residents then the incentive for migration to produce anchor babies would end. If the perverse incentives arising from government assistance were changed then people would either have fewer children or devote their energies to being productive members of society rather than paid subversives.

287 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:45:12am
288 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:45:42am

re: #180 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Should I make Iron Fist happier by telling him that comment REALLY pissed me off … ?

/ :D

:)

289 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:46:04am

re: #284 Dianna

Me, too.

I remember going through a terrible struggle when I had a puppy with seizures. In the end, they were getting more severe and frequent, and no cause or treatment had been found, so I put her to sleep. It was a decision I’ve never been happy with, but I was $3000 down, and no closer to helping her.

I’m sure it was not an easy decision.

290 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #222 jorline

We’re toast…Obama’s actions do not honor your son’s service Hoopster.


Right, the 0’s plan.

291 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:46:46am

re: #282 Occasional Reader

It was - like the comic - very much an 80’s document. The digs were those that Moore made.

292 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:47:24am
293 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:47:27am

re: #267 Ward Cleaver

OT:

Gates: Sorry, we don’t have any balls

“I think if we had an aberrant missile, one that was headed for Hawaii, that looked like it was headed for Hawaii or something like that, we might consider it,” Gates said. “But I don’t think we have any plans to do anything like that at this point.”

WHATTHEFUCK? He’s just told the world that we MIGHT consider protecting our nation from a missile with a nuke attached.

294 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:47:48am

re: #284 Dianna

Me, too.

I remember going through a terrible struggle when I had a puppy with seizures. In the end, they were getting more severe and frequent, and no cause or treatment had been found, so I put her to sleep. It was a decision I’ve never been happy with, but I was $3000 down, and no closer to helping her.

{Dianna}
“no closer to helping her” is the operative phrase. You acted out of love and kindness. Please know that you were a blessing to your beloved puppy and a faithful steward.

295 Dianna  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:49:15am

re: #294 goddessoftheclassroom

{Dianna}
“no closer to helping her” is the operative phrase. You acted out of love and kindness. Please know that you were a blessing to your beloved puppy and a faithful steward.

I may have been, but I still felt awful about it.

296 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:49:43am

re: #292 Iron Fist

Sounds like my kind of movie. It also sounds like my girlfriend wouldn’t enjoy it. The graphic violence in Hitman was almost more than she could handle.

This makes Hitman look like The Sound of Music.
In parts, anyway.

297 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #293 MandyManners

WHATTHEFUCK? He’s just told the world that we MIGHT consider protecting our nation from a missile with a nuke attached.

The answer should have been, “Who owns this problem? North Korea does and I will repeat what has been the stated policy of the United States for over 50 years. Any launch of a ballistic missile towrds the territory of the United States or one of our allies shall be treated as a hostile attack and will be responded to with the full strategic power of the UNited States in a time and manner of our own choosing.”

298 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #291 Dianna

It was - like the comic - very much an 80’s document. The digs were those that Moore made.

Pardon my ignorance, but was the book published in the mid 80s? If so, does it also an alternate America in which (among other things) we won in Vietnam, by using costumed superheroes? (Now I really like THAT idea!)

299 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:52:05am

re: #290 newsjunkie_ky

Right, the 0’s plan.

I’m sorry I don’t have a sock puppet to give you more up dings, ky.

Shame on those who voted for Obama…unfortunately he’s keeping his word.

300 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:54:50am
301 Occasional Reader  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:56:39am

re: #300 Iron Fist

I may have to look more seriously at this. .458 SOCOM. It is in the same price range as a .450 Bushmaster. I could get a S&W lower, and be set…

It’s an absolutely sick looking cartridge. Big long fat hollowpoint. Looks good for taking care of any pesky Velociraptor problems!

302 kansas  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #269 reine.de.tout

Kansas - I had the same issues with my parents. With my father, who refused to eat, had senile dementia, and was obviously dying, I decided to withhold a feeding tube which may or may not have prolonged his life. And we had hospice care at the very end, to ensure he was comfortable.

With my mom, who was on machines but had essentially died, I made the decision to remove the medication that was artificially keeping her blood pressure up to a level they could consider “alive”.

In neither case would the care they were receiving have prolonged life.

Removing (or denying) artificial means of “life” when a person is obviously not able to survive (or is considered alive only because they are being kept so artificially) is a different thing entirely than withholding treatment that will cure a person (or allow him/her to live a productive life), and different than giving a person a drug or treatment that will shorten the person’s life.

Sounds like our experiences were similar. But that last word you used. “Life.” My Mom did not have what she or I considered to be a life yet was forced to endure. Early on in the process she had a heart attack and they called and asked my permission to transport her. I was ignorant and said of course. The surgeon came out and recommended we not do that again. I could have saved her 4 years of hell if I would have just said, no.

303 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:57:30am
304 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:57:37am

The Democratic Party seems to be more inclined to reconcile or ignore North Korea, Iran, and Hamas, than it does in working with the Republican Party. After all, the Dems boogeymen are Limbaugh, Wall Street/AIG execs, and Repubs in general.

In the mean time, some Repubs are working on ‘Academic Freedom’ initiatives.

That’s depressing.

305 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:58:11am

re: #188 jorline

I’m glad to hear that…siblings are probably having a blast which helps you as well.

Until they go back to school…and leave me with spoiled rotten infants…

306 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 11:59:51am

didn’t Great Britian just end the life of an infant with a rare disease over the money?

307 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:00:49pm

re: #302 kansas

{kansas}
You made the decision based on what you knew at the time. If you had refused permission to have your mom transported, you may have been haunted with guilt. I’m so sorry for your mother’s suffering.

308 Macker  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:01:31pm

re: #303 Iron Fist

The Demorats WANT someone to nuke an American city. They want it. I don’t know if they feel we deserve the paback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki or they just hate the country that much. I don’t think it makes any practical difference.

Yes.
And…fixed that for ya!

309 DisturbedEma  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:04:26pm

yepre: #306 DisturbedEma

didn’t Great Britian just end the life of an infant with a rare disease over the money?

310 jorline  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:04:56pm

re: #303 Iron Fist

The Democrats WANT someone to nuke an American city. They want it. I don’t know if they feel we deserve the paback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki or they just hate the country that much. I don’t think it makes any practical difference.

Liberals love being the victim. When we get hit again, due to our weakened state…whose milk will we cry in and will they care?

In the world court…we have the jester role looked up.

311 Dave the.....  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:05:37pm

Just dropped in so don’t know if this was said, but….the main point of the opposition to Obama’s appearence isn’t that he is coming to the campus, it’s that he is being honored at the graduation.

A speaking appearence, fine.

But what Notre Dame is doing is basically endorsing Obama’s positions and actions with the honors they are giving him.

312 Dave the.....  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:10:01pm

As a Lutheran, I sometimes am surprised about how un-Lutheran and left wing most Lutheran colleges are. Extremely PC, but decent liberal arts schools.

So I was very surprised that Notre Dame students and staff actually are opposing Obama based on Catholic theology. That is one thing you have to say about the Catholic church under the two most recent Popes, they actually have doctrines set in stone. Most liberal Protestant churches tune into NPR and the NYT to see what they should believe in today.

313 godfrey  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:12:01pm

He who pays the piper calls the tune. The biggest endowments at ND are controlled by hard-left Catholics, and they collude. They want Obama and Ramadan. One down; the other will follow immediately following news of O’s changing visa rules. All dhimmis.

314 displaced yankee  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:24:04pm

A number of years ago, the Archbishop of Philadelphia forbade any of his diocese from attending classes at ND. He referred to ND as “the finest Protestant school in America”. And that was 35 years ago. I guess the more things change,…….

315 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #261 Occasional Reader

Gorgeous, but weirdly… pointless? I thought so, anyway.

And I could have done without having to see Dr. Manhattan’s big, blue… you know.

He was naked a lot, but that was kind of the point with him. He wasn’t always paying attention to things outside of his concern.

316 Snorkel  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 12:49:45pm

What if ND held a graduation program and nobody showed up?
It would be hilarious if the seniors requested their diplomas to be mailed to them.

I know, In my dreams………..

317 wiffersnapper  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 1:57:38pm

Denounce them both!

318 Dad O' Blondes  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 2:15:20pm

re: #229 goddessoftheclassroom

That’s a wonderful post.

Thanks.

.

319 avspatti  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 3:15:12pm

Haven’t read through this entire thread, but is it known exactly who made the decision to invite Obama? They shouldn’t have done it considering that O’s extreme pro-abortion stance is well-known and is against a fundamental Catholic doctrine. I am not a Catholic, but I strongly believe this was a mistake and should be undone.

The terrorist invite was disgusting, also. However a former wrong doesn’t excuse a current one. No point in continuing to be wrong, wrong, WRONG!

320 avspatti  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 4:27:23pm

re: #314 displaced yankee

A number of years ago, the Archbishop of Philadelphia forbade any of his diocese from attending classes at ND. He referred to ND as “the finest Protestant school in America”. And that was 35 years ago. I guess the more things change,…….

As a protestant, I resemble that remark!

321 Natasha  Sun, Mar 29, 2009 8:43:00pm

Well, at least Boston College decided not to have the terrorist speak there. I am proud of them! Funny, when I went to school there, I made the snarky comment about the AHANA organization: “Why not say: No whitey” and get it over with? Because that is all it was, and still is. A little racist cesspool.

322 essayons7  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 5:08:21am

re: #7 Charles

Both invitations are insulting, Charles. Some of the posters here who are no fan of Catholicism should keep in mind that ND’s behavior of late is FAR from Catholic. I’m not sure if that would make them more or less supportive of the school.

Anyone who supports violence in the name of God has no business appearing at a Catholic University for any reason. Same goes for a president who’s anti-life agenda is well known.

As Fr. Sirico of the Acton Institute has said, this is an example of a CATHOLIC university losing it’s identity in the name of “diversity”. It’s one thing to invite someone who is morally opposed to the church’s teachings for the purpose of debate; it is something entirely different to honor that same person with a degree and the opportunity of speaking at a commencement. There will be no debate at the event, it will simply give Obama a chance to dump on anyone who dares oppose abortion, if he so chooses.

To have this situation occur and the preeminent Catholic University is a shame.


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