Horowitz Unloads on Obama Derangement Syndrome

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Good for David Horowitz; his latest column for FrontPage makes many of the same points I’ve been hammering away at since Barack Obama was elected (leading to a series of meltdowns in our comment threads, and a barrage of hate mail that shows no sign of letting up). Horowitz is on the mark when he says way too many on the right are now suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome.

I have been watching an interesting phenomenon on the Right, which is beginning to cause me concern. I am referring to the over-the-top hysteria in response to the first months in office of our new president, which distinctly reminds me of the “Bush Is Hitler” crowd on the Left.

Speaking of this crowd, have you seen any “I am so sorry” postings from that quarter as Obama continues and even escalates the former president’s war policy in Afghanistan and attempts to consolidate his military occupation of Iraq?

Conservatives, please. Let’s not duplicate the manias of the Left as we figure out how to deal with Mr. Obama. He is not exactly the anti-Christ, although a disturbing number of people on the Right are convinced he is.

I have recently received commentaries that claim that “Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history” and “never has a politician in this land had such a quasi-religious impact on so many people” and “Obama is a narcissist,” which leads the author to then compare Obama to David Koresh, Charles Manson, Stalin and Saddam Hussein. Excuse me while I blow my nose.

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1 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:45:16am
2 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:45:57am

I, for one, will keep hammering away at БХО's policies and decisions. That alone gives me plenty of ammo!

3 WindHorse  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:15am

if the shoe fits.......

4 aggieann  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:41am

Which accusations have turned out not to be true?

5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:43am

I am not happy with Obama's policies, and his interference with GM is especially troubling.

6 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:49am

re: #3 WindHorse

if the shoe fits.......

Fhoe bird.

7 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:10am

His lack of results will lead to his defeat in 2012.

8 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:22am

i'm not suffering from it yet, i do feel the symptoms coming on though. should i voluntarily quarantine myself?

9 mamashawna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:38am

I REALLY REALLY try not to fall into this type of mindset, but he DOES NOT make it easy...

10 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:47am

Horowitz is correct. We must not become subject to the same mania that overtook the left during the Bush years. Granted, Obama is (from what I've seen) a narcissist, but he is not an anti-Christ, not comparable to Hitler or Stalin, much less Manson and his ilk. We can attack Obama's policies, and keep the discourse civil as we do so. As we do this, we need to be ready with viable alternatives, not just a negative attack. If we have viable alternatives that differ from what Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are doing, then we can be successful.

11 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:58am

A lot of it seems to stem from the fact that bo's in the White House and there's not a damn thing the right can do about it. I'm just resigned myself for the fact that I am learning how it was to be a taxpayer in the Carter-like administration.

*though I'm secretly wanting a Monica moment or some other scandal to make bo's power trip impotent*

12 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:09am

Killgore had a comment the other day about this - something along the lines of over-the-top hatred of Obama causing blindness to what "we" do or say.

re: #2 Macker

I, for one, will keep hammering away at БХО's policies and decisions. That alone gives me plenty of ammo!

Yes, his policies and decisions give plenty of ammo, we do not need to attack Obama personally in the same way Bush was attacked. It leads nowhere

13 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:10am
14 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:24am

A fine article. Too much hyperbole, too much hand wringing, too much posturing.

Leadership leads, and reacts as necessary.

Reactionaries don't provide leadership.

15 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:55am

I will continue to hold The One to the same spazzmatic standards the LLLs held Bush, and continue to point out every hypocrisy I see.

16 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:59am

re: #8 phoenixgirl

i'm not suffering from it yet, i do feel the symptoms coming on though. should i voluntarily quarantine myself?

No, just do your best to be factual and civil. I have a rather strong dislike for Obama, and as much fun as it would be to slander the jackass over the internet, one must keep one's head.

17 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:50:05am

it's liberalism that gives me a headache...BO is just the messenger and he is only a mortal man...I actually agreed with his decisions regarding the swing set and organic garden controversies

18 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:50:35am
Conservatives, please. Let’s not duplicate the manias of the Left as we figure out how to deal with Mr. Obama. He is not exactly the anti-Christ, although a disturbing number of people on the Right are convinced he is.

And then he takes over GM and soon Chrysler. His administration outs and badgers private citizens who received retention bonuses. He whips up a mob mentality of "Oh, shit we're all gonna die unless we (fill in the blank)."

Yeah, it's derangement to get all het up about any of this. Just move along folks, it's all for your own good anyway.

19 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:50:35am

why is it that the right, is the only side to police itself ?

the left is not divided, they together want a socialist utopia and until the right finds the way to dis-unite them, or re-unite ourselves, we may as well join the democrat party and get in lockstep (or would that be goose-step?)

20 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:50:46am

re: #7 soxfan4life

Too bad presidential elections are not every 3 years, in fact President, House and Senate elections at different intervals, each of the intervals a prime number.

21 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:51:20am

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

Horowitz makes some important points soberly and clearly. In the meantime, avanti's Pollyanna-ish defenses of all things Obama are still ridiculous.

Avanti's just a condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

22 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:51:50am

I don't see Obama as anybody but Obama. To me, that's bad enough.

23 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:51:50am

re: #16 Honorary Yooper

No, just do your best to be factual and civil. I have a rather strong dislike for Obama, and as much fun as it would be to slander the jackass over the internet, one must keep one's head.

whew......i'm not into slander, just the facts

24 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:52:01am

As I have remarked before, we had better hope that Obama succeeds, even if he succeeds in spite of himself, in avoiding turning this recession into a depression. We had better hope that he succeeds, in this sense anyhow, in putting together an energy policy: buying foreign oil at ever-higher prices is not a strategy. It's a train wreck in slow motion.

A purely confrontational policy in politics is like a basketball strategy that aims at stealing the ball, not just when opportunity knocks, but all the time. The whole team will foul out trying to execute that strategy. There will be occasions, however seldom, when cooperation and forbearance are best.

And it wouldn't hurt to forget that we're actually on the same team when you zoom out and look at the wider picture.

25 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:52:45am

re: #7 soxfan4life

His lack of results will lead to his defeat in 2012.

I seriously hope so. To insure that, we must have viable alternatives.

26 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:52:45am
27 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:53:23am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Upding for the reference!

28 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:53:23am

re: #22 MrSilverDragon

I don't see Obama as anybody but Obama. To me, that's bad enough.

turn off the radio, turn off the tv, don't look at pepsi bill boards, don't look at bumper stickers and not looking at t-shirts. no papers, no bookstores, no magazines/

29 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:53:42am

Thanks, Charles. I was about to post the link, and saw this.

I will take it to heart.

Now I need to go deposit my paycheck.

30 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

My goodness, my brain just seized up from that.

31 Kragar  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:04am

I think everything the man has done so far has reaked of failure and communism and I dont see him getting any better. I dont think its derangement

32 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:11am

re: #28 phoenixgirl

I see his face in too many places.

BBL

33 KenJen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:15am

Sorry, but BO is nuts and he's driving me nuts. I'll admit that I am suffering from ODS. Mainly just trouble sleeping and a few panic attacks here and there. Im doing my best to keep it to myself. It helped not watching T.V. or getting on the net this weekend.

34 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:15am

re: #18 Russkilitlover

And then he takes over GM and soon Chrysler. His administration outs and badgers private citizens who received retention bonuses. He whips up a mob mentality of "Oh, shit we're all gonna die unless we (fill in the blank)."

Yeah, it's derangement to get all het up about any of this. Just move along folks, it's all for your own good anyway.

No, that's not the point at all. It's not derangement to be unhappy about Obama's policies, but there are far too many people who are going way out on the fringe with conspiracy theories and thinly veiled racism. I see it every day on blogs like Pamela Geller's and several other right-wing blogs.

35 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:16am

dems are infected with the reverse BDS....no known cure yet

36 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:45am

re: #20 Ojoe

Too bad presidential elections are not every 3 years, in fact President, House and Senate elections at different intervals, each of the intervals a prime number.

The fact that all members of the House have to run every 2 years should lead to a big turnover in 2010. Mid-term elections should be a big indicator for 2012, if the GOP wins and gains at least 1 majority 0bama should be history in 2012, if then GOP loses more ground, they should go hat in hand and beg for a government bailout and some new leadership.

37 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:51am

There are so many issues with the polices and practices of the Obama Administration, that making attacks on Obama personally are completely unnecessary. The Administration and Obama's lack of character and judgment on all manner of issue, from domestic policy to foreign policy to national security are sufficient to provide a capable GOP of mounting a successful election effort in 2010. The biggest problem to that is that the GOP is just as incompetent as the Obama Administration is proving itself to be, and the Administration has the media and Democrat control over both the House and Senate to maintain control.

38 flyovercountry  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:52am

I do not believe that Obama is the anti-Christ. As a person of the Jewish faith, I don't even believe in the anti-Christ to begin with. If there were one however, I would be certain that he would be somewhat competent. I do not believe that Obama is. While I want for the country to succeed, I believe with my entire being that Obama's policies will lead to disastrous results. I therefore want Obama to fail in getting them enacted. This does not mean that I am hysterical, mean, or even suffering from Obama derangement syndrome. If Obama's failure to lead us to a socialistic society labels him as a failure, then too bad. Labels are meaningless for me, results of actions however are not.

39 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:55:12am

Derangement is derangement is derangement, no matter what quarter it comes from.

Logical discussion and loyal opposition - maybe prayers as well! are recommended. Logic was sorely lacking from the left during President Bush's terms.

It's really embarrassing when people do this luny tunes stuff.

40 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:55:30am

I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt. For weeks after not only the election but his actual inauguration I honestly gave him a chance to not be a complete moron. Not exactly a high hurdle to clear for the world's greatest Orator and most transcendent genius, right? Yet here we are.

41 opnion  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:55:39am

Some criticism of BHO does get nutty. However I do not recall that in our history that we have had a President quite like this.
He is a radical & completely out of touch with American values.
He is not the spawn of satan but he is a narcisstic, dangerous radical.

42 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:56:43am

but he's gun' take way are guns ya'll

43 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:56:45am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

So you're saying any scheme has an Achilles' heel?

44 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:56:46am

The far Left is begining to show signs of Obama derangement symdrome too....only for the opposite reasons.

45 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:57:03am

re: #7 soxfan4life

His lack of results will lead to his defeat in 2012.

But irreparable damage will be done by then.

A long ago poster here, Lightning Man, way back when said of the BDS crowd...

If you want to know what your enemy is doing, just listen to what he is accusing you of doing.

With regards to the left, I think he may have farther and more keenly than most. We'll see.

46 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:57:16am

re: #24 lostlakehiker

As I have remarked before, we had better hope that Obama succeeds, even if he succeeds in spite of himself, in avoiding turning this recession into a depression. We had better hope that he succeeds, in this sense anyhow, in putting together an energy policy: buying foreign oil at ever-higher prices is not a strategy. It's a train wreck in slow motion.

A purely confrontational policy in politics is like a basketball strategy that aims at stealing the ball, not just when opportunity knocks, but all the time. The whole team will foul out trying to execute that strategy. There will be occasions, however seldom, when cooperation and forbearance are best.

And it wouldn't hurt to forget that we're actually on the same team when you zoom out and look at the wider picture.

I would love for BHO to turn out to be a better President than RWR. It would be good for the country, for all of us, and for the world.

That however would take a miracle greater than the Creation of the Universe in 6 days, 6013 years ago.

47 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:57:19am

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

I seriously hope so. To insure that, we must have viable alternatives.

That's the big problem, right now the GOP alternatives are about as bad.

48 aggieann  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:57:26am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

I can't Geithner satisfaction.

49 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:22am

re: #42 spacejesus

Cadmium might help you feel better.

50 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:29am

I see that a regular YouTube video poster who is critical of The One has been summoned to the White House.

It is not ODS to think that that The One is everything they thought Bush was.

51 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:30am

PIMF - With regards to the left, I think he may have SEEN farther and more keenly than most.

52 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:42am

Unlike the BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) sufferers, those of us with ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) are basing our condition on reality. Everything I see and hear from Obama re-enforces my belief he is an ideologue hell-bent on re-shaping the country along socialist lines. I believe he is a fraud and one of the greatest liars in the history of politics in the USA. During the campaign he fooled many by making "moderate" sounding statements, but now it's obvious his inner true self is asserting himself.

Anyway, ODS sufferers aren't as whacked out as the Obamatons who blindly support the Big Zero. In my opinion, anyway.

By the way, since the Democrat party is plunging right along with the Big Zero, I prefer to call my condition DDS (Democrat Derangement Syndrome). However, unlike most BDS sufferers who think all Conservatives are evil, I just believe Obama's blind minions are, well, just blind.

53 mbruce  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:52am

The BDS was a prelude/cover for exactly this, everything they accused Bush of Obama is carrying out, with total impunity from the MSM.

54 flyovercountry  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:57am

Re: #34

No, that's not the point at all. It's not derangement to be unhappy about Obama's policies, but there are far too many people who are going way out on the fringe with conspiracy theories and thinly veiled racism. I see it every day on blogs like Pamela Geller's and several other right-wing blogs.

Please forgive me. Yours is the only blog I have time to read.

55 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:06am

re: #18 Russkilitlover

Yeah, it's derangement to get all het up about any of this. Just move along folks, it's all for your own good anyway.

Derangment is what it is. The SUBJECT of derangement does not excuse the derangement. When you see a problem, react to it logically.

56 Gella  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:15am

personally i never liked O, knowing where he is coming from, etc.., i never even wanted him to pass primaries, for some reason even before primaries u could see where he was going in some sence

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:35am

re: #43 Kosh's Shadow

So you're saying any scheme has an Achilles' heel?

We'll always have Paris.

58 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:35am

ODS: o·di·ous (ō'dē-əs)

;-)

59 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:46am
60 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:07am

Americans voted for the kind of leadership they deserve - just not all Americans.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:15am

re: #50 Ben Hur

I see that a regular YouTube video poster who is critical of The One has been summoned to the White House.

Source?

62 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:24am

Ignore spacejesus. He's a downding whore.

63 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:26am

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

Horowitz makes some important points soberly and clearly. In the meantime, avanti's Pollyanna-ish defenses of all things Obama are still ridiculous.

Fair enough, lets meet in the middle. I won't refer to him as the Messiah, and the right stops the Commie labeling. BTW, I disagree with BHO far more then most I've seen on LGF agree with him. Once we agree that BHO is neither always right, nor always wrong, we're dealing with reality.
You may have noticed that I agreed with Bush on occasion, and did not have to turn in my leftie card.

64 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:32am

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; in the meantime, we must Hector our elected officials.

It's one great Odysseus that we're on, isn't it?

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:48am

I've had a lot of fun referring to him as Chairman Obama but I've stopped using the name because I noticed too many people really believe he's a Marxist. I cringe when I see the Tea Party protest signs about communism and Marxism. They are just as over the top as the Bush is a nazi stuff.
Obama is a European style socialist, let's at least be accurate about things.

66 Jed 1899  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:04am

I know Pam Geller is well endowed...but read her blog?
Heh. Not me.

67 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:06am

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; in the meantime, we must Hector our elected officials.

Sorry, most of them are catching the lunchtime show over at the "Topless Towers".

68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:17am

re: #50 Ben Hur

I see that a regular YouTube video poster who is critical of The One has been summoned to the White House.

It is not ODS to think that that The One is everything they thought Bush was.

I'm pretty sure that story is bogus.

69 KenJen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:27am

re: #62 Catttt

Ignore spacejesus. He's a downding whore.

Who?
/

70 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:37am

We don't have to invent shit in order to skewer FCBBHO.

71 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:41am

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; in the meantime, we must Hector our elected officials.

If that'll Pan out, of course.

72 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:43am

re: #50 Ben Hur

I see that a regular YouTube video poster who is critical of The One has been summoned to the White House.

It is not ODS to think that that The One is everything they thought Bush was.

I have a couple of youtube vids that are critical. Do you think he'll invite me to lunch? /wonders what to wear

73 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Source?

One moment.

74 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:57am

*thinks obama is the beat in revelation*

*moves to texas*

*marries sister, votes for creationism in schools*

75 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:05am

politics is circular in ideology and the circle is dangerously close to closing on the backside...ODS only pushed it a little further along...

76 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:15am

when i heard him speak at the democratic convention in 2004, all i could think, is this guy should be a conservative. everything he says he's gone through.....he should not be a lib! that was the first disappointment ... .they just keep a comin'!

77 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:44am

re: #67 Occasional Reader

Sorry, most of them are catching the lunchtime show over at the "Topless Towers".

20 dollar door fee and free buffet! Tips appreciated...

78 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:50am

re: #72 Catttt

I have a couple of youtube vids that are critical. Do you think he'll invite me to lunch? /wonders what to wear

J. Crew. (You're a size negative twelve)

79 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

Stunningly brilliant, buzz.

80 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:03:35am

re: #34 Charles

No, that's not the point at all. It's not derangement to be unhappy about Obama's policies, but there are far too many people who are going way out on the fringe with conspiracy theories and thinly veiled racism. I see it every day on blogs like Pamela Geller's and several other right-wing blogs.

I don't spend much time, if any, on other blogs, so I'll take your word that there is ODS that takes the personal route.

That's a stupid place to go anyway - there's too much REAL damage he is doing to our country, without having to whisper about conspiracies.

81 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:03:59am

re: #63 avanti

Fair enough, lets meet in the middle. I won't refer to him as the Messiah, and the right stops the Commie labeling. BTW, I disagree with BHO far more then most I've seen on LGF agree with him. Once we agree that BHO is neither always right, nor always wrong, we're dealing with reality.
You may have noticed that I agreed with Bush on occasion, and did not have to turn in my leftie card.

I see absolutely no problem labeling BO a commie...what argument can you put forth otherwise?....why are you so sensitive about it?

82 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #46 jcm

I would love for BHO to turn out to be a better President than RWR. It would be good for the country, for all of us, and for the world.

That however would take a miracle greater than the Creation of the Universe in 6 days, 6013 years ago.

I keep praying for him to get some sense somehow, but I can't say I expect it.
And Creation, according to the Hebrew calendar, was 5769 years ago.
(Let's not get into a religious war over this; I believe the universe was created something like 14.5 billion years ago)

83 notutopia  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:41am

There is a vast difference between useful criticism and
critiquing.
Obama's policies need to be critiqued and our voices need to reflect what is not tolerable for us as conservatives.
The off the cuff slighting criticism is cheap folly and where I need to show temperance. It's a fast fix I use when I am feeling controlled and vulnerable. Cheap shots thrown back.
My best delivered actions are taken when I contact my
congresspersons, and tell them exactly why I disagree with a policy. But, to do this effectively, I have to critique the policy before I call or write them.
Don't confuse and worse yet, DILUTE our effectiveness of the power of freedom of speech with "loose tongue syndrome".

84 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:43am

Quasi- military civilian youth brigades loyal to one man sounds pretty Stalinesque to me.

85 harrylook  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:46am

Okay, so he's not Hitler or the antichrist. Can I call him the "worst president ever" yet?

86 The False God  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:47am

I'm not deranged. I'm just opposed to Obama on principles I hold. I hope he does fail to implement his statist, Marxist policies. I hope he does fail to subvert the interests of the United States by turning over the reigns of our institutions and interests to international powers. I hope he does fail to change the "culture" of Federal government by making it more aligned towards Democratic and Chicago interests.

I hope that, with every measure he intends to push through that would further destroy this country's foundations, he fails. And I hope all of the Democratic senators and representatives, and their sycophantically turncoat Republican buddies, fail to push through any legislation which makes it easier for them to force their "values" on society at the collection hand of a tax "representative," the gavel of a judge, or the sweet proposition of a government-sponsored "community worker."

Every night, I sing a silent prayer that they be rendered completely ineffectual, so that they do not blindly fall further into the hands of our nation's enemies and do not screw up even more the country I happen to like. I also pray that the institutions created before Obama and his cronies took office, such as the military, police, fire, and health services, continue to work to protect us, irrespective of what our leaders do.

87 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:04:58am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I've had a lot of fun referring to him as Chairman Obama but I've stopped using the name because I noticed too many people really believe he's a Marxist. I cringe when I see the Tea Party protest signs about communism and Marxism. They are just as over the top as the Bush is a nazi stuff.
Obama is a European style socialist, let's at least be accurate about things.

I try to be respectful of the office and call him President Obama - or President O. It is really hard with President Carter, but I remind myself it is the office that we respect. The individual must earn it.

I do like puns on his name, though.

88 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:03am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

There, fixed that for ya!

89 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #82 Kosh's Shadow

I keep praying for him to get some sense somehow, but I can't say I expect it.
And Creation, according to the Hebrew calendar, was 5769 years ago.
(Let's not get into a religious war over this; I believe the universe was created something like 14.5 billion years ago)

Including or excluding leap years?

90 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:21am

re: #57 Occasional Reader

We'll always have Paris.

Even if the country goes to Helen a handbasket.

91 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:29am

Interesting. I'm still in "wait and see" mode as far as Iraq and Afghanistan goes. But, I think it's fair to say Obama wants to completely convert America to Socialism. And that he's making the world more dangerous by showing weakness and ineptitude to our enemies.

However, preoccupation with the teleprompter, Michelle Obama's garden and Biden's daughter's cocaine use are a bit over the top. At the same time, not to excuse bad behavior, none of the things the right have said hold a candle to the left's treatment of Bush.

92 Wishing  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:43am

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; in the meantime, we must Hector our elected officials.

That'll leave a Thor spot

93 Barb42  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:45am

re: #41 opnion

Some criticism of BHO does get nutty. However I do not recall that in our history that we have had a President quite like this.
He is a radical & completely out of touch with American values.
He is not the spawn of satan but he is a narcisstic, dangerous radical.

Let us not be so concerned about the BDS that we don't point out the dangers that Obama is presenting. He is indeed a narcissistic, dangerous radical - at best. Far too many of his supporters and staff want to destroy everything we stand for and he could well believe that is the right thing to do. Our schools have taught it for years. So if this is ODS, then I guess, so be it - but I don't see it quite that way. Fascism presents itself in the manner that works best for the culture it infects. Under Obama we are abandoning our allies and reaching out to tyrants. That is more than enough about which to be concerned.

94 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:53am

re: #81 albusteve

Mark Levin's argument about statism versus liberty best applies to Obama.

95 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:57am

I expect to hear Obama bashing here. This is a relatively conservative(economically speaking anyway) site. I haven't noticed much Obama bashing in the general public unless I'm doing it. I try to tone it down in mixed company.

96 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:06:03am

re: #66 Jed 1899

I know Pam Geller is well endowed...but read her blog?
Heh. Not me.

[Deleted]

97 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:06:27am

re: #84 bulwrk

Quasi- military civilian youth brigades loyal to one man sounds pretty Stalinesque to me.

The problem there is; they don't exist.

98 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:06:33am

re: #4 aggieann

Which accusations have turned out not to be true?

Right-o!

99 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:06am

re: #84 bulwrk

Another bogus story. A lot of "right wing" blogs are lying to you. Don't believe everything you read.

100 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:07am

Horowitz makes some good points. Obama is neither Christ (as many Obama-bots seem to believe) nor the anti-Christ (as some on the right seem to believe).

However, I disagree with some of what Horowitz has to say.

"never has a politician in this land had such a quasi-religious impact on so many people"

I don't know about never, but in my lifetime at least, there has not been another president or presidential candidate who has developed such a substance-free, dangerous cult of personality so as to cause masses of people do fall into states of religious or even sexual ecstasy when watching him speak.

As for Obama's speeches, they are hardly in the Huey Long, Louie Farrakhan, Fidel Castro vein.

Agreed. And I'd put Jeremiah Wright into the same absurd, over-the-top category as Farrakhan.

[Obama's speeches] are in fact eloquently and cleverly centrist and sober.

Eloquent, yes. Clever, yes. Centrist, no. Centrist implies to me that they embody and communicate a consistently defined set of values that tend toward the political center. Obama doesn't do that. His political positions change frequently, and to the extent that he communicates centrist values, he is often misleading us. And "sober"? No. Obama speeches are vapid, dreamy, intoxicating soliloquies that stir the spirit and spark the imagination by driving the listener away from reality. They are unapologetically escapist. They suggest that the greatness of the man transcends any need for actual problem-solving or concrete leadership. They are not sober.

Obama has ceded his domestic economic agenda to the House Democrats and spent a lot of money in the process. But what’s the surprise in this? After all, Bush and McCain both proposed (and in Bush's case pushed through) massive government giveaways (which amount to government takeovers as well). This is bad, but it doesn't make Obama a closet Mussolini, however deplorable the conservatives among us may regard it.

Absolutely. He's not Mussolini. He's not Hitler, or Stalin. One only makes oneself less credible by claiming otherwise.

101 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:10am

re: #90 Kosh's Shadow

Even if the country goes to Helen Thomas in a handbasket.

There, fixed that for ya!
SO MUCH ammo today!

102 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:18am

I trust and respect Horowitz's analysis and will at least consider it in future when I go into one of my rants. I would point out however that politics, like all other human interactions, does not occur in a vacuum. The relentless bad faith politicking of the left does merit a reaction. Their tirades, tantrums and somtimes treasonous behavior can't be expected to elicit no reaction. If the well is poisoned, the left is largely responsible. That having been said, Horowitz's call for calm and reasoned response is a sound one.

103 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:22am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It's from WND.

Don't know if links are allowed to WND.

104 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:36am

re: #82 Kosh's Shadow

I keep praying for him to get some sense somehow, but I can't say I expect it.
And Creation, according to the Hebrew calendar, was 5769 years ago.
(Let's not get into a religious war over this; I believe the universe was created something like 14.5 billion years ago)

Using Ussher's number....
Personally I use the 14.3 billion number....

/;-P

105 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #63 avanti

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106 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:30am

The legislators-for-life, right or left, concern me more than a flash in the pan celebrity politician.

107 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:35am

re: #81 albusteve

I see absolutely no problem labeling BO a commie...what argument can you put forth otherwise?....why are you so sensitive about it?

The fact that you don't get why I'm offended by calling the POTUS a Commie shows me you may well be suffering from the condition we are describing.
I can assure you, in the real world, that label would not win your cause any points. I hated the far left's Nazi comments about GWB too, but some on the right are just as bad.

108 jdog29  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:50am

re: #46 jcm

I would love for BHO to turn out to be a better President than RWR. It would be good for the country, for all of us, and for the world.

That however would take a miracle greater than the Creation of the Universe in 6 days, 6013 years ago.

I thought all miracles took the same amount of power.

i.e. it would take the same amount of power to convince a creationist that they are delusional as it would to convince an Obamitian that Obama will go down as one of if not the worst President in history.

109 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:50am

we just need to focus on all the really dangerous things he has done.
his cohorts. his odd need for attention. his weakness opposite the enemy.
all his foibles and ineptitudes speak loudly abt. who he is.
we don't have to call him names. his deeds do that.

110 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #103 Ben Hur

That's why links to WND are frowned on here. They publish way too many bogus stories.

111 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:19am

re: #103 Ben Hur

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It's from WND.

Then you'll need this.

112 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:30am

re: #85 harrylook

Okay, so he's not Hitler or the antichrist. Can I call him the "worst president ever" yet?

I think the "worst president ever" label is fitting unless he changes course drastically. It's based solely on his performance and policies.

113 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:36am

re: #103 Ben Hur

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It's from WND.

Don't know if links are allowed to WND.

I know the story you're talking about, and I STRONGLY suspect that someone is not telling the truth in that one. And by the way, those "new Thomas Paine" videos are exactly the kind of derangement that Horowitz is talking about -- one of them is titled "time for a new American Revolution."

114 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:40am
115 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:52am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

Thorry, I wasn't listening. I mythed your point.........

116 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:58am

re: #107 avanti

The fact that you don't get why I'm offended by calling the POTUS a Commie shows me you may well be suffering from the condition we are describing.
I can assure you, in the real world, that label would not win your cause any points. I hated the far left's Nazi comments about GWB too, but some on the right are just as bad.

Well, except that Bush wasn't raised by openly communist ideological supporters, nor did he surround himself with the same ilk. The accusations about Bush were, well, bush!

117 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:49am

re: #115 LGoPs

Thorry, I wasn't listening. I mythed your point.........

Does being against Zero make you Antiope? Antichange?

118 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Another bogus story. A lot of "right wing" blogs are lying to you. Don't believe everything you read.

That goes double for the New York Times.

119 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:53am

re: #4 aggieann

Which accusations have turned out not to be true?

Off the top of my head?

-Nirth certifikit
-"secret Muslim"
-marching armed Obama youth brigades
-"whitey" speech

120 Salem  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:57am

Whatever...

121 Last Mohican  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:00am

I must say, when I read the title of this, I first presumed that "BDS" would refer to the outlandish delusions of Obama's supporters, who weep and faint at his speeches, plaster their homes and businesses with portraits of Obama in messianic poses, and giggle about their secret erotic fantasies about him.

Yes, Obama-bashing in various right-wing circles frequently veers into absurdity these days, and that doesn't help anyone. But that's nothing compared to the insanity of Obama's supporters.

122 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:09am
123 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:10am

re: #113 Charles

As a general rule I think it's safe to assume that anyone in plantaloons and 3 corner hat is probably a little nutty.

124 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:11am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Another bogus story. A lot of "right wing" blogs are lying to you. Don't believe everything you read.

I saw the video. I felt sorry for those kids. They don't have a chance.

125 chukardog  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:15am

Obama derangement? The man has shown his contempt for the constitution time and time again. He has caused a staggering amount of damage in only 2 months. he is far worse than I had even imagined. The list is so long I don't even know where to start. Pick a subject and his policies are a disaster at every turn. Massive deficit spending, pathetic weakness on the war on terror,nationalizing banks and large corporations, arbitrarily seizing private companies, ruining the best health care system in the world, the list goes on and on and on. Wake the fuck up people, this guy is a Marxist and wants to "remake this country" into his little socialist utopia.

126 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:27am

re: #109 nyc redneck

we just need to focus on all the really dangerous things he has done.
his cohorts. his odd need for attention. his weakness opposite the enemy.
all his foibles and ineptitudes speak loudly abt. who he is.
we don't have to call him names. his deeds do that.

Only to a point.

People are more likely to follow a road than to cross one.

What the conservatives, republicans, whathave you have to do is provide a -good- road for people to follow that counters this nonsense. Not an ideological road per se, not an I'm-not-Obama road either. A Road that proveds good leadership for every citizen of the United States, that a majority of people can get behind and say "this sounds like one hell of a plan, I like it!".

127 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:43am

re: #107 avanti

The fact that you don't get why I'm offended by calling the POTUS a Commie shows me you may well be suffering from the condition we are describing.
I can assure you, in the real world, that label would not win your cause any points. I hated the far left's Nazi comments about GWB too, but some on the right are just as bad.

you live in a dream world...how is BO not a commie or as KT puts it, a Euro socialist (commie)?

128 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #24 lostlakehiker

As I have remarked before, we had better hope that Obama succeeds, even if he succeeds in spite of himself, in avoiding turning this recession into a depression. We had better hope that he succeeds, in this sense anyhow, in putting together an energy policy: buying foreign oil at ever-higher prices is not a strategy. It's a train wreck in slow motion.

A purely confrontational policy in politics is like a basketball strategy that aims at stealing the ball, not just when opportunity knocks, but all the time. The whole team will foul out trying to execute that strategy. There will be occasions, however seldom, when cooperation and forbearance are best.

And it wouldn't hurt to forget that we're actually on the same team when you zoom out and look at the wider picture.

But at what cost? If he succeeds in preventing a depression, but in doing so has turned us into a complete socialist nanny state with the government owning the banks, car companies and controlling the healthcare system, I hardly see that as a fair trade for preventing a depression. That appears to be trading our freedoms for a bit of economic security. This is the mind set that I cannot abide.

129 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:53am

I'm startin' to get it. haven't seen any of my free shit in the mail yet.

130 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #107 avanti

There's no reason why one can't call БХО a Dirty F**kin' Communist...because his policies lead straight toward that "solution"!

131 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:01am

Will Japan do the job the US is avoiding?

...despite the US refusal to consider shooting down a North Korean rocket, the Japanese may do it anyway.

What effect will this have on US influence in the region? It cannot increase US influence and can only lessen it. Which is good news for China.

132 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:05am
133 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #113 Charles

I know the story you're talking about, and I STRONGLY suspect that someone is not telling the truth in that one. And by the way, those "new Thomas Paine" videos are exactly the kind of derangement that Horowitz is talking about -- one of them is titled "time for a new American Revolution."

Part of the Tea Party mantra, or something more violent?

134 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Just that there are Menelaus to every issue.

Fine. Just stop hectoring me.......

135 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:47am

re: #85 harrylook

Okay, so he's not Hitler or the antichrist. Can I call him the "worst president ever" yet?

I think it is a bit early yet. For example, it will take some doing, imho, to do worse than President Carter did.

136 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

As a general rule I think it's safe to assume that anyone in plantaloons and 3 corner hat is probably a little nutty.

Fine, just don't badmouth my puffy pirate shirt. (Soon, everyone will be wearing them... you'll see.)

137 justabill  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:54am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the elections were held at Priam number intervals, we'd still have to look out for Trojan horses, and attempt to assess each candidate by the proper Troy weight to avoid going to Helen a handbasket.

Your suggestion a-muses me...

138 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:05am

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Off the top of my head?

-Nirth certifikit
-"secret Muslim"
-marching armed Obama youth brigades
-"whitey" speech

My father has fallen for every single one of those but, thanks to my membership at LGF, I've been able to bring him back to reality.

THANK YOU, CHARLES!

139 FreakyBoy  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:11am

When I hear BHO say something like: "reducing our military will make the world more safe", I start questioning if I am deranged, like I'm living in some parallel universe where that has ever been true.

So I guess I kinda' have a form of ODS.

140 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:16am

re: #127 albusteve

how is BO not a commie or as KT puts it, a Euro socialist

Those are not the same thing.

141 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:23am

re: #113 Charles

I know the story you're talking about, and I STRONGLY suspect that someone is not telling the truth in that one. And by the way, those "new Thomas Paine" videos are exactly the kind of derangement that Horowitz is talking about -- one of them is titled "time for a new American Revolution."

What gets me about those videos is that "Thomas Paine" calls for the abolishment of the Electoral College. Isn't that what the Demo☭rats have been "Hoping and Changing™" for all along?

142 jdog29  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:44am

re: #107 avanti

The fact that you don't get why I'm offended by calling the POTUS a Commie shows me you may well be suffering from the condition we are describing.
I can assure you, in the real world, that label would not win your cause any points. I hated the far left's Nazi comments about GWB too, but some on the right are just as bad.

Communism is a beautiful thing on paper. Colin Powell defended Socialism during the campaign stating all gov't spending is socialistic in nature. Now shortening the term Communist to the obviously inflamatory term "Commie", I can see how that wouldn't be appreciated.

143 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:50am

A straight-forward example of ODS. While working this weekend on my second job, a complete stranger walks up to me (I guess since I have a name tag I'm everyone's freekin' friend) and tells me a pretty bad obama joke. Why would this old fart tell me this joke when I'm he knows it's offensive (and not funny)?

obama brings out the best in all of us /s

144 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:54am

re: #132 taxfreekiller

The problem with our system is that Pelosi is in power as long as her constituents love her, and they love her because she has the power to bring home the bacon.

145 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:00am

re: #137 justabill

Your suggestion a-muses me...

It's generated a Chorus of approval, in fact.

146 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:04am
In other words, while it's reasonable to be unhappy with a Democratic administration and even concerned because the Democrats are now a socialist party in the European sense, we are not witnessing the coming of the anti-Christ.

I agree with Mr. Horowitz on many of his points, but here I have to stress that I am not "concerned" about european styled socialism in the halls of American power. I am throughly alarmed that many Americans don't recognize, nor seem to be bothered by it at all. Perhaps I am suffering not from 0bama derangement but rather Electorate Disappointment.

147 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:07am

re: #113 Charles

I know the story you're talking about, and I STRONGLY suspect that someone is not telling the truth in that one. And by the way, those "new Thomas Paine" videos are exactly the kind of derangement that Horowitz is talking about -- one of them is titled "time for a new American Revolution."

When I discovered "blogs," via Drudge and Rathergate, I explored a bit. I read that site for about a week, then thought, "hold on - this is nutty!" and stopped.

148 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:18am

i'm going to still call him totus.

149 irongrampa  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:35am

Count me among the ODS sufferers. I will always hold the OFFICE of the Presidency in respect, but in this case, NEVER the man.
It's unecessary to recount the list of reasons yet again why Obama is undeserving of any admiration, I'm sure all of you are quite aware of them.
I'll say it again, this incompetent Marxist cannot fail quickly enough for me. His failing will open the way for the undoing of the damage already incurred.
So if by stating my opinion it opens me to derision or criticism, so be it.

150 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:41am

re: #127 albusteve

you live in a dream world...how is BO not a commie or as KT puts it, a Euro socialist (commie)?

You just can't call him a commie or a Euro socialist. I have no idea what is acceptable.

151 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:47am

re: #145 Occasional Reader

It's generated a Chorus of approval, in fact.

ReChoired here too, I believe! (I be-lieve, sing it now...)

152 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:47am

re: #4 aggieann

Which accusations have turned out not to be true?

Er, Oboma is Hitler. Next question.

153 jcbunga  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:51am

It's not derangement if it's true.

It is, however, complete derangement to say The One is qualified and the last 60+ days have made the country safer, the Constitution more relevant and the economy more stable.

It will take decades to undo what this marxist has done in 60 days.

154 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:55am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Those are not the same thing.

Close enough for government work.

155 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:56am

POTUS in effect fired the CEO of GM.

How is that anything but socialism at the very best?

156 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I agree with Mr. Horowitz on many of his points, but here I have to stress that I am not "concerned" about european styled socialism in the halls of American power. I am throughly alarmed that many Americans don't recognize, nor seem to be bothered by it at all. Perhaps I am suffering not from 0bama derangement but rather Electorate Disappointment.

Seems more like Electoral Dysfunction to me.

157 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:15am

re: #128 father_of_10

Yes that is like saving the arm but killing the patient.

158 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:51am

re: #34 Charles
Well

It's not derangement to be unhappy about Obama's policies, but there are far too many people who are going way out on the fringe with conspiracy theories and thinly veiled racism. I see it every day on blogs like Pamela Geller's and several other right-wing blogs.

I'd say more than unhappy; terribly disappointed would work better. But you cite sites that are by nature (or at least Pamela's) out and out nutso from the jump.
And I don't think it's ODS to be critical -even harshly critical of Obama's policies. I don't refer to him as a commie, but I do think he's a socialist - you know, someone who thinks - despite ALL the evidence to the contrary - that Socialism works better than the sort of Capitalism (hardly free-market, guns-a-blazing capitalism) we've had in this country since it's inception. And more importantly I see him as less of a defender of America or the Free World than any President since Carter. I realize that's policy I'm criticizing, but really Charles, it is HIS policy - short of comparing him to Stalin or Mao or whomever, which is STUPID, it's hard not to criticize his policy without criticizing him.

159 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:52am

re: #155 jcm

Seems more like Italian-style Fascism to me.

160 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #131 Kenneth

Will Japan do the job the US is avoiding?

What effect will this have on US influence in the region? It cannot increase US influence and can only lessen it. Which is good news for China.

Time for a PSA from the JMSDF!

161 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:05am

re: #151 Right mind left

ReChoired here too, I believe! (I be-lieve, sing it now...)

Are you trying to Antigone-ize me?

162 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #148 nyc redneck

i'm going to still call him totus.

Mocking him for his TelePrompTer use is not ODS by any stretch of the imagination. It's just pure comic fodder.

163 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:20am

I get as frustrated as most of us here when it comes to 44 and the policies he wants to inflict on the US. That frustration would be lessened if the MFM did it's job. Because they don't, I can and will, continue to blow a gasket every once in a while.

Out of respect to our host(Charles is correct that we are going over the top) I will try and tame it down.
Just a bit though

164 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:32am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Er, Oboma is Hitler. Next question.

OMG, Obama is not Hitler, how can you say that?

165 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:38am

re: #155 jcm

POTUS in effect fired the CEO of GM.

How is that anything but socialism at the very best?

Actually, it sounds more like blackmail, which anyone can do.

Quit, or we won't give your company any more money!

166 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #142 jdog29

Communism is a beautiful thing on paper. Colin Powell defended Socialism during the campaign stating all gov't spending is socialistic in nature. Now shortening the term Communist to the obviously inflamatory term "Commie", I can see how that wouldn't be appreciated.

Yeah. We wouldn't want to offend any Commies.

167 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #159 shiek al beif salami

Seems more like Italian-style Fascism to me.

Sans the snappy uniforms...

168 Abu Lahab  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:54am

If you want to see clearly what Horowits is talking about, visit Atlas Shrugs blog! There is a ridiculous , sentimental and even childish attacks on Obama personally, there is no constructive criticism of policies whatsoever.
She will post anything from any source with any content in it as long as it's anti-Obama, I think this is ignorance. One may become a tool for others this way.

169 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:59am

re: #121 Last Mohican

I must say, when I read the title of this, I first presumed that "BDS" would refer to the outlandish delusions of Obama's supporters, who weep and faint at his speeches, plaster their homes and businesses with portraits of Obama in messianic poses, and giggle about their secret erotic fantasies about him.

Yes, Obama-bashing in various right-wing circles frequently veers into absurdity these days, and that doesn't help anyone. But that's nothing compared to the insanity of Obama's supporters.

Along those lines, yesterday on National Palestinian Radio, Liane Hanson asked David Gergen [I'm paraphrasing, but not much], "Has Obama reinvented communication, or is it just the contrast with eight years of the last administration...?"

170 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:13am

re: #63 avanti

Fair enough, lets meet in the middle. I won't refer to him as the Messiah, and the right stops the Commie labeling. BTW, I disagree with BHO far more then most I've seen on LGF agree with him. Once we agree that BHO is neither always right, nor always wrong, we're dealing with reality.
You may have noticed that I agreed with Bush on occasion, and did not have to turn in my leftie card.

He's spent his whole life being tutored by commies, from his mother, to Frank Marshall Davis, to William Ayers. The only question is, how much of what he has learned from them will he try to implement, as president?

171 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:25am

re: #154 MandyManners

Close enough for government work.

I disagree. Look, the Scandanavians (for instance) have had "socialist" government for decades. They have NOT been shipping off hundreds of thousands to die in gulags. There is a rather important distinction there.

172 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:31am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Those are not the same thing.

I know but the step from one to the other is a low threshold...I should tone down the hype but commie rolls right of the keyboard so easily....

173 gadlaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:31am

Absolutely. Not a Christ or an Anti-Christ, just the dude we elected. I heard someone scream that he's a 'commie' - but he's just continuing the policies that Bush started when that big massive Bank Bailout went through months before Bush walked offstage. I guess that would make Bush a commie too. And then there are the character issue people who scream about that but I haven't seen any major character issues - no dead girls or live naked boys and nothing that reaches the levels of previous White House occupiers. Like the screaming left who acknowledged nothing good with Bush, the screaming Right is doing the same thing for Obama. You all better hope and pray he succeeds in pulling the economy out of it's nosedive. I'd be hoping for the same thing if McCain won.

re: #100 Last Mohican

Horowitz makes some good points. Obama is neither Christ (as many Obama-bots seem to believe) nor the anti-Christ (as some on the right seem to believe).

174 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #167 Leonidas Hoplite

They do look good in their Raybans and Armani fatigues. . .

175 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:44am

re: #164 kansas

OMG, Obama is not Hitler, how can you say that?

Read his post again.

176 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:46am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Are you trying to Antigone-ize me?

He just A-jax you around.

177 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:49am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

He's spent his whole life being tutored by commies, from his mother, to Frank Marshall Davis, to William Ayers. The only question is, how much of what he has learned from them will he try to implement, as president?

Looks like its gonna be all of it, doesn't it?

178 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:06am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

He's spent his whole life being tutored by commies, from his mother, to Frank Marshall Davis, to William Ayers. The only question is, how much of what he has learned from them will he try to implement, as president?

After that upbringing he sought out no one but those steeped in Marxist ideology.

179 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:10am

re: #156 MrSilverDragon

Seems more like Electoral Dysfunction to me.

I have stated previously we must do what we can to stop creeping socialism in this country. Well- it's no longer creeping, and the people don't seem to care.

180 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:10am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

apt student?

181 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:29am

re: #171 Occasional Reader

I disagree. Look, the Scandanavians (for instance) have had "socialist" government for decades. They have NOT been shipping off hundreds of thousands to die in gulags. There is a rather important distinction there.

Agreed but I don't think they have a Bill Ayers equivalent either........
His influence is scary.

182 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:30am

re: #175 Ben Hur

Read his post again.

I know, I was just messing with him.

183 VegasRick  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #164 kansas

OMG, Obama is not Hitler, how can you say that?

Well, Michelle is still a WAB.

184 monkey den  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:53am

Many of our fellow Americans voted for Obama, for what they hoped he might be...I voted against him for what I knew he was. I wouldn't say I have derangement syndrome so much as I'm simply frustrated that so much of what I envisioned is being borne out before my eyes. By definition, "big voter turnout" begets a largely ignorant electorate.

185 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:54am

re: #182 kansas

I know, I was just messing with him.

Oh.

Kizool.

186 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:57am

Great post. I save my over the top vitriol for the OBamanots.

I don't want to be compared to the "BusHitler" crowd, the "Republicans are (evil name)" crowd.

187 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:01am

re: #180 badger1970

apt student?

We shall see.

188 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:09am

re: #176 MandyManners

He just A-jax you around.

Aiolos spewed my coffee from that one.

189 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:11am

I don't suppose anyone wants to admit to reading Gary Allen's books?

190 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:12am

As much as I will always be grateful to President Bush for keeping this country safe, he was a socialist republican.

191 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #171 Occasional Reader

I disagree. Look, the Scandanavians (for instance) have had "socialist" government for decades. They have NOT been shipping off hundreds of thousands to die in gulags. There is a rather important distinction there.

I reckon that was one time I needed a sarc tag.

192 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Er, Oboma is Hitler. Next question.

"Hitler vaz better looking zen Obama... he vas a better dancer zen Obama..."

-Franz Liebkind, The Producers (paraphrased)

193 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Are you trying to Antigone-ize me?

That's a scylla thing to say.........

194 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:26am

re: #164 kansas

OMG, Obama is not Hitler, how can you say that?

I think (I hope) you realize that I was answering aggieann question, not suggesting Obama is Hitler, or anything like Hitler.

195 opnion  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #93 Barb42

Let us not be so concerned about the BDS that we don't point out the dangers that Obama is presenting. He is indeed a narcissistic, dangerous radical - at best. Far too many of his supporters and staff want to destroy everything we stand for and he could well believe that is the right thing to do. Our schools have taught it for years. So if this is ODS, then I guess, so be it - but I don't see it quite that way. Fascism presents itself in the manner that works best for the culture it infects. Under Obama we are abandoning our allies and reaching out to tyrants. That is more than enough about which to be concerned.


I Do not see the equivlence between the Leftist Hysteria over Bush & most criticism of Obama. Bush was totally vetted & mostr definitely was not a facist.
Obama has been influenced by Marxist thought since he was in high school, It's in his memoir.
I do not know that he is a Marxist, but it is not outlandish to speculate.

196 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:00am

Hey JCM.

I spent Friday evening at my own ER. Getting worked on. Cat scan and other stuff. )-:

Not a good weekend.

197 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:01am
198 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:01am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

I think (I hope) you realize that I was answering aggieann question, not suggesting Obama is Hitler, or anything like Hitler.

Sorry Walter. I was just razzing you.

199 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:05am

Can I still compare 0bama to Woodrow Wilson?

200 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:22am

My far left moonbat friends suddenly aren't interested in politics anymore.

The subject NEVER comes up.

201 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:35am
202 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:44am

re: #179 Sharmuta

I have stated previously we must do what we can to stop creeping socialism in this country. Well- it's no longer creeping, and the people don't seem to care.

the fight is in the House...the GOP must win back the House...you knew that

203 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I am throughly alarmed that many Americans don't recognize, nor seem to be bothered by it at all.

That's exactly what has me so frustrated. I speak, hear, and read of too many people who make lame excuses for Obama's extraordinary power grab: "They're too big to fail;" "We must bailout or catastrophe will happen;" "Bonuses, even if part of a salary packages are immoral;" etc. ad nauseum. I truly fear that many, many, many people do not even notice how far back they have been pushed from the line.

204 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Can I still compare 0bama to Woodrow Wilson?

Let me count the ways.

205 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:53am

re: #175 Ben Hur

Read his post again.

Thanks. I wish people would READ the intent of comments, not just the verbiage.

206 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:55am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Can I still compare 0bama to Woodrow Wilson?

Yes

207 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:59am

re: #88 Macker
Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

There, fixed that for ya!

If I ever made that sort of personal attack on a Lizard, I would hope to be driven off this blog by rational posters. WTF do you guys accomplish by the personal insults ?

208 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #164 kansas

OMG, Obama is not Hitler, how can you say that?

I'm tempted to point out that Walter was being sarcastic, but maybe you are also being sarcastic. Maybe I'm being sarcastic.

/

209 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Can I still compare 0bama to Woodrow Wilson?

Yeah, but you're gonna have give a history lesson on Wilson every time you do.

210 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:08am

I'm hoping that Horowitz's op-ed being published at FrontPage will have some effect on the ODS sufferers who read FP. It needs to be re-published at WorldNutDaily, and other places.

211 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:18am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Unfortunately, 90% of Americans would just say "Who?", when asked.

212 Athos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:24am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I am throughly alarmed that many Americans don't recognize, nor seem to be bothered by it at all.

This is very true and there are many reasons. Apathy for one. Another is that it appears easier and safer than self reliance and assuming risk for oneself - and if it is 'benign' - then what is the real problem?

But that comes back to the main argument against the President's policies and the direction he wants to go - and where we need to focus our message on - providing a cogent and compelling counter vision based on the core values that made this country great. History is there to support that message.....its just that most people don't know or want to remember the Carter years.

I do think that the President's policies are textbook examples of liberal fascism - but I plan to argue those points and try very hard to not get trapped into arguing / making personal insults.

213 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:44am

re: #190 Sharmuta

As much as I will always be grateful to President Bush for keeping this country safe, he was a socialist republican.

Yes, "compassionate conservatism" was really just Liberalism Lite.

214 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:44am

Navarette had a good point in his article last week (and he's an Obama supporter) -- that many of Obama's fans consider his presidency "too historic to fail." In other words, viewed presumably through their liberal thought prism of race, gender, and social class, Obama's success in and of itself will magically transform America into a true liberal "utopia." Consequently, anyone who stands in the way of that -- in the way of Obama personally -- is inherently a racist scumbag, regardless of whether Obama is actually succeeding at anything. They'll tar someone as racist for questioning Obama's own failed policies, because they need him to be defined as a success by history, regardless of reality. BDS hasn't gone away with Bush's departure, it has merely mutated into Obama Defense Syndrome.

215 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:59am

re: #198 kansas

Sorry Walter. I was just razzing you.

You did not use a "sarc" tag, and bottom line is, someone wanted to clip and paste your remark and use it on another blog, it would speak wrongly of what we are commenting on.

216 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:16am

re: #159 shiek al beif salami

Seems more like Italian-style Fascism to me.

Which is why I usually use Mussolini comparisons for imagry and economics. They seem to be the most valid and rooted in reality. The imagry, the photographs (how do you explain the shirtless photos of Obama at the beach?), the economic policies (the threats on the banks, taking over GM). Even the facial expressions are eerie in that regard.

Obama, however, has no real comparison I can think for foreign policy. He seems to be utterly clueless when it comes to dealing with the foreign heads of state. The DVD debacle as just an example. I didn't believe it until I read it in multiple, credible places. Did not think anyone could be that tacky.

217 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:20am

re: #207 avanti

Excuse me- I have never called you a "used condom". I said you provide cover for a dick.

218 johnnygriswold  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:24am

For a lot of years I heard people talk about Bush like he was Hitler. I, for one, like to jab at liberals with a little ODS just for fun. I want to see them explode. What's good for the goose ...

219 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:26am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps not a full-fledged Commie, but since his exposure to Marxism when growing up in Hawaii, perhaps a Commie-ameha.

Groan.

220 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:42am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps not a full-fledged Commie, but since his exposure to Marxism when growing up in Hawaii, perhaps a Commie-ameha.

STOP. You're killing me.

221 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #195 opnion

I still argue that it's not Obama we should be most concerned about. It's the legislators-for-life and the culture of being above the law if one perceives oneself as one of the elite.

222 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:49am

re: #190 Sharmuta

As much as I will always be grateful to President Bush for keeping this country safe, he was a socialist republican.

Agreed

223 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:06am
224 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:07am

re: #186 BigPapa

Great post. I save my over the top vitriol for the OBamanots.

I don't want to be compared to the "BusHitler" crowd, the "Republicans are (evil name)" crowd.

No. But, ObaMao is pretty funny, if somewhat inaccurate.

225 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:19am
226 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #207 avanti

Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

If I ever made that sort of personal attack on a Lizard, I would hope to be driven off this blog by rational posters. WTF do you guys accomplish by the personal insults ?

you have not addressed the questions people ask you...like a drapery or condom you just cover up

227 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:22am

re: #169 wrenchwench

Along those lines, yesterday on National Palestinian Radio, Liane Hanson asked David Gergen [I'm paraphrasing, but not much], "Has Obama reinvented communication, or is it just the contrast with eight years of the last administration...?"

Reinvented? Jesus, he talks a lot and doesn't say anything. He pops off a bunch of sayings platitudes and 'change' and 'hope' and then takes more of your money and gives it to unproductive companies and people and says it's for your own good. Spread the wealth. "To those according to their need, from those according to their ability." THIS is a beautiful thing? This is an outrage!

228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:38am

I will say that I'm pleased to see this article in FrontPage. I get a little concerned about them sometimes.

229 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:50am

re: #208 Catttt

I'm tempted to point out that Walter was being sarcastic, but maybe you are also being sarcastic. Maybe I'm being sarcastic.

/

I wasn't being sarcasteic at all. Please read angieann question and my answer. Angieann asked... (in comment #4)...

"Which accusations have turned out not to be true?"

I answered...

"Obama is Hitler."

Please read the damn comments.

230 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:23:55am

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

You did not use a "sarc" tag, and bottom line is, someone wanted to clip and paste your remark and use it on another blog, it would speak wrongly of what we are commenting on.

Well that makes both of us then doesn't it?

231 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #207 avanti

It's because you're a shrill for БХО, that's why.

232 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:15am

re: #217 Sharmuta

Excuse me- I have never called you a "used condom". I said you provide cover for a dick.

ROTFLMAO. And the difference is precisely what?

233 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:29am

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Are you trying to Antigone-ize me?

Oe-dippy me...I shirley never would do that..

234 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

He's spent his whole life being tutored by commies, from his mother, to Frank Marshall Davis, to William Ayers. The only question is, how much of what he has learned from them will he try to implement, as president?

I've asked before, but could I get a link about his mothers Commie past, but more importantly, how about his grandmother that raised him. Besides, the whole associations deal sucks, my parents were religious, but I rejected it.

235 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:41am

re: #232 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO. And the difference is precisely what?

One is made of latex?

236 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:41am

re: #212 Athos

Freedom comes with responsibility, and it seems to me people are no longer interested in that responsibility.

237 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:49am
238 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #224 NukeAtomrod

No. But, ObaMao is pretty funny, if somewhat inaccurate.

I'm rather fond of "Otrauma" - heard last night on the Titanic thread.

239 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:56am

re: #207 avanti

Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

If I ever made that sort of personal attack on a Lizard, I would hope to be driven off this blog by rational posters. WTF do you guys accomplish by the personal insults ?

Hors d'ouevres

240 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:09am

re: #223 Ojoe

Excellent passing clouds, watch them zip by.

All that needs is a dramatic soundtrack, like something by Vangelis.

241 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:10am

re: #207 avanti

Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.


If I ever made that sort of personal attack on a Lizard, I would hope to be driven off this blog by rational posters. WTF do you guys accomplish by the personal insults ?

Hello? You accused us of being almost gleeful about the tanking economy right here.


I'll admit I have not, but unlike some others, I hope he succeeds in turning the economy. If being happy when the market goes ups, and my IRA goes up is selfish, so be it. I never said word when some on here were almost gleeful when the market tanked, allow me to be happy if it goes up. If BHO plan does not work. or can't work, then the market will tank again.

242 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:14am

re: #196 Dustoff-507

Hey JCM.

I spent Friday evening at my own ER. Getting worked on. Cat scan and other stuff. )-:

Not a good weekend.

Hey, Dustoff!

Feeling better I hope! Anything serious?

243 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #97 Occasional Reader

The problem there is; they don't exist.

Yet

244 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:27am

re: #232 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO. And the difference is precisely what?

One is spanking new?

245 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:30am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I rest my case.

246 jdog29  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:30am

The difference is none of what would be called accepted news organizations have propelled ANY of these crazy accusations, muslim,antichist,hitler,nirth certificate

However, the MSM has a different shill on every night of week, STILL calling Bush a facist, King George, and making comparisons of all Republicans to the Nazis/Hitler and Cheney as Goering etc.

247 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:37am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't being sarcasteic at all. Please read angieann question and my answer. Angieann asked... (in comment #4)...

"Which accusations have turned out not to be true?"

I answered...

"Obama is Hitler."

Please read the damn comments.

I'm sure the KOS kids will "read the damn comments".

248 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:37am

re: #207 avanti

Avanti's just a used condom, as Sharmuta has said before. I look, I cringe, then I just ding his comment down.

If I ever made that sort of personal attack on a Lizard, I would hope to be driven off this blog by rational posters. WTF do you guys accomplish by the personal insults ?

To drive YOU away from this board. Don't you get it Avanti? I am not going to go over the litany of reasons that you are in the least a dishonest person in your comments, in the most a moby trying to post junk just to stir the pot.

249 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:42am

re: #237 Ojoe

The visual resemblance can be striking.

Obama just needs a cool hat.

250 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:47am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Can I still compare 0bama to Woodrow Wilson?

Absolutely. FDR is also a very valid comparison, as is Herbert Hoover.

251 Athos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

I will say that I'm pleased to see this article in FrontPage. I get a little concerned about them sometimes.

At times, but all in all, I trust David Horowitz and FrontPage more than I trust Joe Farrah and WND.

252 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #239 Alouette

Hors d'ouevres

True. /Those toes look tasty!

253 Salem  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Off the top of my head?

-Nirth certifikit
-"secret Muslim"
-marching armed Obama youth brigades
-"whitey" speech

Hmmm. Yeah, I guess those don't look good. I wonder if this will be a real factor, though. The same thing happened with Clinton but he didn't tank the economy. The press is going to hold the Republicans to impossible standards regardless.

254 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:11am

re: #232 Erik The Red

avanti mischaracterized what I said, is all. So I gave him a ding down.

255 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:20am

re: #240 Ward Cleaver

Amidst this weird state the country is in, the natural world continues apace.

Thank God for that!

256 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:32am

the racists and hate mongers, who horowitz is talking abt. really are
unsavory. i want nothing to do w/ people like this.
it is a big problem that o is so polarizing.
when he was supposed to bring the country together.
we have loons on the left who faint in his presence and revere him like he
is a god. a lightworker w/ the highest I.Q. ever.
and he is taking full advantage of it all to really harm our country.
ugh.

257 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:34am

re: #244 Right mind left

One is spanking new?

Spanking? Uh oh.

258 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:49am
259 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:49am
260 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

and the "Jesus" photos with the halo glow around his head. I was also disturbed by the Soviet-styled campaign posters. Imagine of McKain had used KKK imagery in his campaign posters.

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:27:03am

re: #230 kansas

Well that makes both of us then doesn't it?

No it doesn't dammit. Agieann asked "Which accusations have turned out not to be true?" and I answered "Obama is Hitler." That was a reasoned and normal response on my part and did not warrant any tags. It is simple.

262 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:27:08am

re: #234 avanti

I've asked before, but could I get a link about his mothers Commie past, but more importantly, how about his grandmother that raised him. Besides, the whole associations deal sucks, my parents were religious, but I rejected it.

that is neither here nor there....explain his Euro socialist/commie redistribution of wealth and his killer taxation policies...

263 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps not a full-fledged Commie, but since his exposure to Marxism when growing up in Hawaii, perhaps a Commie-ameha.

Wahini jerk reaction?

264 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #236 Sharmuta

Freedom comes with responsibility, and it seems to me people are no longer interested in that responsibility.

Having just reread Hoffer's True Believer, it's the desire for freedom from freedom that is building momentum. Responsibility frightens many.

265 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:06am

re: #256 nyc redneck

the racists and hate mongers, who horowitz is talking abt. really are
unsavory. i want nothing to do w/ people like this.
it is a big problem that o is so polarizing.
when he was supposed to bring the country together.
we have loons on the left who faint in his presence and revere him like he
is a god. a lightworker w/ the highest I.Q. ever.
and he is taking full advantage of it all to really harm our country.
ugh.

I agree, but then the left would say Bush was polarizing too. I think it's a phenomenon we're seeing in politics in general- it's all very polarizing.

266 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:16am

re: #238 Catttt

I'm rather fond of "Otrauma" - heard last night on the Titanic thread.

That's really funny!

267 kansas  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:23am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

No it doesn't dammit. Agieann asked "Which accusations have turned out not to be true?" and I answered "Obama is Hitler." That was a reasoned and normal response on my part and did not warrant any tags. It is simple.

Yes, but then you made the point that since MY post didn't have a sarc tag it could be used for nefarious purposes. I cut your post and used it for nefarious purposes. Have a good day Walter.

268 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:25am

I think an important point some people are missing is the way GW Bush campaigned as opposed to Obama. Obama spoke and campaigned as more of a centrist, at times using Ronald Reagan type language. We are now seeing what a scam that was. GW Bush didn't pretend he was something he wasn't. If anything, he turned out to be less of a conservative that I thought he was. But there wasn't such a big disconnect between Bush the candidate and Bush the President. In Obama's case, the disconnect between candidate and President is of monumental proportions.

Also, those of us who voted for W weren't as obviously blind and delusional as those who voted for Obama seem to be. I've never seen the kind of cult of personality of a US politician as I've seen of Obama. Not even Reagan. And we all know how despicable those who've benefited from cults of their personality have been through history. I'm just sayin'....

269 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #234 avanti

I've asked before, but could I get a link about his mothers Commie past, but more importantly, how about his grandmother that raised him. Besides, the whole associations deal sucks, my parents were religious, but I rejected it.

He didn't reject his mother philosophy, he embraced it. He sought out radicals his entire adult life.

270 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:41am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

No it doesn't dammit. Agieann asked "Which accusations have turned out not to be true?" and I answered "Obama is Hitler." That was a reasoned and normal response on my part and did not warrant any tags. It is simple.

nobody seemed to read the damned post....geez

271 Athos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:52am

re: #236 Sharmuta

Freedom comes with responsibility, and it seems to me people are no longer interested in that responsibility.

Why be accountable and responsible when one does not have to? It's far easier and simpler to not have to worry about being accountable and responsible for anything.

We are seeing the impact of a the changes in education and political correctness run amuck - far too few really understand the core values that were (are) the foundation of this country and what makes this country unique.

272 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:56am

re: #242 jcm


DID you get my picture? Man it hurts.. I'm still a little uneasy...

273 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:01am

re: #256 nyc redneck

the racists and hate mongers, who horowitz is talking abt. really are
unsavory. i want nothing to do w/ people like this.
it is a big problem that o is so polarizing.
when he was supposed to bring the country together.
we have loons on the left who faint in his presence and revere him like he
is a god. a lightworker w/ the highest I.Q. ever.
and he is taking full advantage of it all to really harm our country.
ugh.

Yet, they don't realize that you don't have to know anything to have a high I.Q.

274 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:01am

re: #265 Sharmuta

I agree, but then the left would say Bush was polarizing too. I think it's a phenomenon we're seeing in politics in general- it's all very polarizing.


I would think examples of non-polarizing politics are sadly few and far between, and that's taking a very long view of history.

275 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:01am
276 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:26am

re: #264 scottishbuzzsaw

Having just reread Hoffer's True Believer, it's the desire for freedom from freedom that is building momentum. Responsibility frightens many.

Free will does suck sometimes.

277 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:51am

re: #275 taxfreekiller

You certainly seem to think more highly of her than I do!

278 fish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:56am

I certainly don't want conservaties to start looking like the LLL's however it is hard not to notice that those tactics did seem to work. I do not believe that O or the Congress dems were voted into power because of any great idea they put forward, but rather because "Republicans are bad! George Bush is Bad! Haliburton! Vote for us we aren't Republicans!"

279 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:06am

re: #276 badger1970

Free will does suck sometimes.

Perhaps but it is far better than the alternative

280 opinionated  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:08am

Obama is not some manifestation of religious or metaphysical evil.

He is simply the far Leftist we knew he was- who in power can and will do damage to the United States both domestically and internationally.

281 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:09am

re: #274 Mithrax

I would think examples of non-polarizing politics are sadly few and far between, and that's taking a very long view of history.

I once mused that the best sign of health of our system is that we occasionally fail to re-elect an incumbent.

282 Sunlight  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:33am

It's all point of view. I have friends who think it is "irrational" to talk stridently about the need to speak out against Israel being pressured to sit under rockets. So if we have a President who takes over our largest car company to the extent that he is making personnel decisions (rather than letting them sort it out themselves in Ch. 11 reorganization), and drums up an atmosphere of threat to the safety of employees of AIG, I'd say he has gone farther than Sweden, Germany, and the other "socialist" systems we know. He is going into the territory of the USSR's way of operating. If we say this out loud, we are "deranged"?

283 RoughRider  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:36am

On another forum, I like to goad the resident Leftists by stuff like claiming the flooding in Fargo, ND is because Barack Obama hates white people and because the state voted McCain in '08, but it's clearly satire aimed at the way the Left really thought/thinks about President Bush.

284 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #155 jcm

POTUS in effect fired the CEO of GM.

How is that anything but socialism at the very best?

I really wish GM had gone to the bankruptcy court instead of agreeing the bailout/socialist offering of this administration.

285 eon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:07am

I refer to him as The One based on the hyper-inflated image of him that was crafted (or rather over-crafted) by the media during the campaign. (The "Lightworker" meme' being a case in point.) From the day he stepped onto the stage, his supporters in the MSM and elsewhere have been hammering home the message that he is "transformative"; they were the ones who first defined him as a secular messiah, not his opponents.

Now that he's actually in charge, they're finding out the same thing he is- namely, that governing is a much harder row to hoe than getting elected.

My principle objections to him are first of all, his policies, which are classic (and classically wrong-headed) "progressive" cant, and the extremely unprincipled behavior he and his followers exhibited during the campaign, and which he continues to exhibit today.

When I see a sitting President of the United States do to a CEO what he just did to Wagoner, I question his commitment to the law of the land.

When I see the behavior his followers exhibited (in my home state) to Joseph Wurzlebacher, I question their commitment to common sense and courtesy.

When I see the way he is handling our foreign policy, especially re Islamism, I question his familiarity with reality.

All Presidents should study their predecessors, and try to avoid their mistakes while adopting at least some of their useful attributes. In Afghanistan, Obama seems to be determined to make the same errors Nixon made in Vietnam. If the result is different, I will be very surprised, and the first to admit I was wrong, but I don't think I will have to.

Domestically, he seems determined to repeat the mistakes of Nixon, Johnson, Carter, Hoover and FDR. While he and I may disagree philosophically on points of economic theory, repeating policies which didn't work over the last three-quarters of a century, no matter how much money is thrown at trying to make them work, is not "philosophy"; it's just being dumb.

Obama seems determined to pattern himself on Presidents who, with the possible exception of FDR, are considered failures by most unbiased historians. This is less evidence of "evil" on his part, than of simple arrogance- the belief that he's somehow so much smarter, wiser, etc., that he will be able to make it work, when they couldn't. If the rest of us shut up, do as we're told, have "faith" (in him)- and keep handing over our paychecks on demand.

In short, I think The One is foolish, arrogant, egotistical, and has an exaggerated opinion of both his own brilliance and his power to "change" things. I'm sure that he will, in fact, cause change.

I just don't believe that the results will be what he believes they will- or even be what he wants. Or that when he finally sees what he has wrought, that his ego will survive the experience.

cheers

eon

286 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:34am

re: #272 Dustoff-507

DID you get my picture? Man it hurts.. I'm still a little uneasy...

Just looked!
OUCH!

You know the head injury drill. Anything out of the ordinary, HEAD IN!

287 opnion  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #221 shiek al beif salami

I still argue that it's not Obama we should be most concerned about. It's the legislators-for-life and the culture of being above the law if one perceives oneself as one of the elite.

I take your meaning, but he is powerful with that legislature.
He has this nutty mystique of at least a demigod in some quarters.
It sure looks to me like he wants to do a radical Euro Socialist redo of our economy. If he even recognizes the failuire of the Euro model, he must just think that he is smarter & can do it better.

288 irongrampa  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:41am

Do have to admit that after 8 years of listening to the vilification from the left regarding Bush that the irony is thick enough to chew.

289 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:46am
290 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:54am

re: #232 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO. And the difference is precisely what?

Use. One is already used, the other only has the potential to be.

291 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:55am

re: #281 Dianna

I once mused that the best sign of health of our system is that we occasionally fail to re-elect an incumbent.

I agree, yet instead of using it for the future, it often allows for further re-trenching. Not always thankfully, some folks do learn, but retrenching is sadly the norm.

292 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:59am

re: #284 debutaunt


I wonder when the union boss at GM will quit? He's part of this mess too.

Yet I know better.

293 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:32:12am

re: #234 avanti

I've asked before, but could I get a link about his mothers Commie past, but more importantly, how about his grandmother that raised him. Besides, the whole associations deal sucks, my parents were religious, but I rejected it.

Just read her Wiki page. There are all kinds of clues there.

294 ladycatnip  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:32:19am

#121 Last Mohican

I must say, when I read the title of this, I first presumed that "BDS" would refer to the outlandish delusions of Obama's supporters, who weep and faint at his speeches, plaster their homes and businesses with portraits of Obama in messianic poses, and giggle about their secret erotic fantasies about him.

Yes, Obama-bashing in various right-wing circles frequently veers into absurdity these days, and that doesn't help anyone. But that's nothing compared to the insanity of Obama's supporters.

Yep - couldn't have said it any better.

Obama, along with his groupies, are bringing it on themselves. He is a product of the msm, not a product of his own achievements - what exactly are they anyway, other than voting present for 143 days or writing two biographies about himself (which points to narcissism in neon lights).

295 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:32:34am

re: #284 debutaunt

I really wish GM had gone to the bankruptcy court instead of agreeing the bailout/socialist offering of this administration.

DING!

296 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:00am

re: #234 avanti

I've asked before, but could I get a link about his mothers Commie past, but more importantly, how about his grandmother that raised him. Besides, the whole associations deal sucks, my parents were religious, but I rejected it.

Not that anyone could tell . . .

297 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:03am

re: #271 Athos

Why be accountable and responsible when one does not have to? It's far easier and simpler to not have to worry about being accountable and responsible for anything.

We are seeing the impact of a the changes in education and political correctness run amuck - far too few really understand the core values that were (are) the foundation of this country and what makes this country unique.

And sadly, the solution some people think will correct this is pseudo-science in the classrooms. I am really at a loss for how we correct this when both sides of the political aisle want to peddle the flip sides of the same coin.

298 J.S.  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:19am

re: #179 Sharmuta

I've just been re-reading "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why some are so rich and some so poor" by David Landes...Chapter 19, the one entitled "Frontiers" is a must read for Americans (imo)...or Chapter 26, "Loss of Leadership" which includes a segment on "The Rise and Fall of the British Auto Industry.." (the final sentence reads: "And the first of all was poor management -- another way of saying poor entrepreneurship.") all very much relevant in today's world...truly worth a re-read...

299 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:38am

Have fun with this, all. I must go and ponder Kierkegaard's question of whether faith requires the teleological suspension of ethics.

After that, I am going to plant asparagus in my garden and get the oil changed in my car. It looks like another renaissance man day.

300 jorline  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:44am

Does the removal of Wagner by the government mean we can in turn remove the POTUS if he doesn't turn a profit and continues to waste money.
//

301 Cato  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:56am

Obama is not the anti-christ -- yet. What he reminds me of is a rookie batter who gets his first look at a Pedro Martinez curveball and says, "That doesn't look like anything I saw in the minor leagues."

302 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #286 jcm

I stopped a drunk lady from hitting a table.. the only problem. I hit the table with my head. ER kept me for 4 hrs... I was taken to the ER by my own medic's

The jokes are never going to end. 0-:

303 Richard N  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:59am

Spot on! Support his policies that help America (Afghanistan Surge), oppose his policies that hurt America (unending bailouts and catastrophic government spending). Hold Obama's and Congress' feet to the fire. Make them explain themselves and offer support when appropriate.

304 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:03am

OT (I guess)

"In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been. Because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warrantee."

Obama speaks...

[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]

Hey Avanti, how does this make you feel, all warm and fuzzy?

305 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:34am

re: #298 J.S.

I've just been re-reading "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why some are so rich and some so poor" by David Landes...Chapter 19, the one entitled "Frontiers" is a must read for Americans (imo)...or Chapter 26, "Loss of Leadership" which includes a segment on "The Rise and Fall of the British Auto Industry.." (the final sentence reads: "And the first of all was poor management -- another way of saying poor entrepreneurship.") all very much relevant in today's world...truly worth a re-read...

An excellent book that I too recommend to all Lizards

306 WindHorse  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:39am

re: #285 eon

Well said.

307 opinionated  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:41am

Does anyone still believe Obama will not change America. And in my opinion for the worse.

He said a while ago that the US will now guarantee some auto warranties.

Chew on that.

We have likely all had some trouble getting the Dealer to honor a warranty- are we now going to have to contact our Representatives?

308 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #288 irongrampa

Do have to admit that after 8 years of listening to the vilification from the left regarding Bush that the irony is thick enough to chew.

yes, i doubt that we will get bdway plays mocking 0?
or a hundred books abt. what a jerk he is?

309 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #293 MandyManners

Just read her Wiki page. There are all kinds of clues there.

Avanti can't read. This has been supplied to him many times. The only conclusion I can come to is he can not read.

310 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:20am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Another bogus story. A lot of "right wing" blogs are lying to you. Don't believe everything you read.

Please Killgore give me some credit,its not like its never been tried in this country before.

311 XENONIAN  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:44am

I love my ODS
now go away please while I keep banagin my head against the wall

312 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:56am

re: #302 Dustoff-507

I stopped a drunk lady from hitting a table.. the only problem. I hit the table with my head. ER kept me for 4 hrs... I was taken to the ER by my own medic's

The jokes are never going to end. 0-:

The price of gallantry!

A good excuse to kick back this weekend!

313 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:00am

re: #301 Cato

Obama is not the anti-christ -- yet.

Nor will he ever be.

314 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:04am

re: #292 Dustoff-507

I wonder when the union boss at GM will quit? He's part of this mess too.

Yet I know better.

Gettlefinger recently announced that he'll retire next year. He's obligated to retire at age 65 (he's 64).

315 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:17am

re: #307 opinionated

Getting your GM vehicle serviced will be like going to the post office or the DMV.

Good God.

316 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:17am
317 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:22am

re: #307 opinionated

Does anyone still believe Obama will not change America. And in my opinion for the worse.

He said a while ago that the US will now guarantee some auto warranties.

Chew on that.

We have likely all had some trouble getting the Dealer to honor a warranty- are we now going to have to contact our Representatives?

Hey, I got a 2007 Ford Taurus. Ford didn't take any TARP funds. Are they gonna guarantee MY warranty? Huh!

/

318 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:31am

re: #311 XENONIAN

I love my ODS
now go away please while I keep banagin my head against the wall

Well, it doesn't make conservative look any better than the left, and if you want it, keep it off of LGF.

319 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:32am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

OT (I guess)

"In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been. Because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warrantee."

Obama speaks...

[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]

Hey Avanti, how does this make you feel, all warm and fuzzy?

Well, if you don't have to worry about your mortgage, why worry about your auto?

320 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:36am

re: #292 Dustoff-507

I wonder when the union boss at GM will quit? He's part of this mess too.

Yet I know better.

Ron "Givesthefinger" Gettlefinger will not leave until he absolutely has to. He's a major jerk, IMHO.

321 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:22am

All I have to do to send my mind reeling about how bad things are and how bad they are going to get is to think about this: The president of the US fired the head of GM.

322 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:28am

re: #317 Macker

Hey, I got a 2007 Ford Taurus. Ford didn't take any TARP funds. Are they gonna guarantee MY warranty? Huh!

/

Obama's America....
Punish success.
Reward failure.

323 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:37am

re: #312 jcm
A good excuse to kick back this weekend!

I wish. Have a mild concussion. Been sick since then.. Still feeling off kilter even now.

324 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:47am

What happened to Avanti? Is he doing some research on our questions to him? Or did he leave for good? Questions, questions, questions...

325 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:48am

I highly recommend all Lizards read Conscience of a Conservative.

326 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:53am

re: #284 debutaunt

I really wish GM had gone to the bankruptcy court instead of agreeing the bailout/socialist offering of this administration.

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

OT (I guess)

"In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been. Because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warrantee."

Obama speaks...

[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]


The really REALLY scary part:

DIRECTOR OF RECOVERY

I am designating a new Director of Recovery for Auto Communities and Workers to cut through red tape and ensure that the full resources of our federal government are leveraged to assist the workers, communities, and regions that rely on our auto industry.

Edward Montgomery, a former Deputy Labour Secretary, has agreed to serve in this role. Together with Labour Secretary Solis and my Auto Task Force, Ed will help provide support to auto workers and their families, and open up opportunity in manufacturing communities. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and every other state that relies on the auto industry will have a strong advocate in Ed.

327 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:53am

BREAKING NEWS.

Chrysler and Fiat reach a deal.

328 Athos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #297 Sharmuta

I agree - that is the great frustration that I feel.

However, there is one thing about apathy - it has limits. When the pain becomes great enough, the apathetic get up and start to flex their muscle on the process. That is really what we are facing - a race between the left to solidify and consolidate their power before the silent majority gets up and recognizes the root of the problem and begins to demand real change and a return to core values of this country. (And returning to core values is not teaching pseudo-science - but returning to the core values of the individual, accountability, and responsibility centered on freedom.

329 jorline  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:56am

re: #315 shiek al beif salami

Getting your GM vehicle serviced will be like going to the post office or the DMV.

Good God.

Does this mean the IRS will be the cashier?

330 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

Dammit, wrong link.

Here's the one I meant to link to.

PIMF.

Thanks, buzz. Excellent comment.

331 Cato  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #313 Sharmuta


Well he could be. If he blocked Israel from doing what they need to do in Iran or if he stoked a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan then I would consider him one.

332 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:09am

re: #241 MandyManners

Hello? You accused us of being almost gleeful about the tanking economy right here.

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.
I know how blogs work. There are 100's or 1000's of bloggers, but 90% of the posts come from 5% of the bloggers. If that 5% forms a nice little clique, they can pile on any unpopular thought and they present the public face of the forum.
Take the Commie label for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

333 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:26am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton


"Now, I know that when people even hear the word "bankruptcy" it can be a bit unsettling, so let me explain what I mean. What I am talking about is using our existing legal structure as a tool that, with the backing of the U.S. government, can make it easier for General Motors and Chrysler to quickly clear away old debts that are weighing them down so they can get back on their feet and onto a path to success; a tool that we can use, even as workers are staying on the job building cars that are being sold."

I wonder if he means old UAW pension debts.

334 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:28am

re: #278 fish

I certainly don't want conservaties to start looking like the LLL's however it is hard not to notice that those tactics did seem to work. I do not believe that O or the Congress dems were voted into power because of any great idea they put forward, but rather because "Republicans are bad! George Bush is Bad! Haliburton! Vote for us we aren't Republicans!"

Those tactics "worked" because the MSM gave them cover for the bad things and gave them legitimacy for everything else. It would be unwise for us to try the same tactics, no matter how much the LLLs deserve the same treatment they gave the right.

We can't keep running a scorecard which say "We can do this because the left did this". We were above those actions when the LLLs did it, we should be above it now.

335 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:31am
336 mfarmer1  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:38am

As much as it's possible to do so from both a personal and business perspective, I now view Washington DC and Sacramento (in my case) as ghost towns. I do my best now to run my life as if they don't exist.

Sure, we're all political junkies in here and follow the hapless state of our various levels of government in all of their glorious failure. But when it comes down to it, my hunch is that for the most part, those of us here don't rely upon or put much faith in the bureaucracies in the first place.

Yes, it's painful to see what has become of our great nation, but if you're honest with yourselves, you've seen this coming for a long time and hopefully are at least prepared to deal with it much better than those who look to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. or a state capital for daily sustenance.

337 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:40am

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend ODS, but to a limited extent this is a natural reaction to the last 8 freaking years of leftist bullshit. Should we be better that? Absolutely. But our side has its share of crazies too, so we shouldn't be totally shocked.

338 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:00am

One of the ugliest features of Bush Derangement Syndrome was adults trying instill BDS into their young children by telling them the most horrible things about the President of the United States and teaching them to be disrespectful to - and even hate - the President.

I have a young daughter and, although I did not vote vote Barack Obama, I would never speak badly of him in front of her, and I always make a point of referring to him respectfully as President Obama.

I've seen enough bad, crazy moonbat behavior to know I want no part of it in my house.

339 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #328 Athos

I agree - that is the great frustration that I feel.

I wish I felt frustrated.

340 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #284 debutaunt

I really wish GM had gone to the bankruptcy court instead of agreeing the bailout/socialist offering of this administration.

All those companies who gobbled up the bailout cash now realize that they made a deal with the devil. [And no, I am NOT engaging in ODS, I am using an expression].

341 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #329 jorline

Does this mean the IRS will be the cashier?

Only on Wednesdays.

342 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

OT (I guess)

"In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been. Because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warrantee."

Obama speaks...

[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]

Hey Avanti, how does this make you feel, all warm and fuzzy?

This (and making sure parts continue to be available in the case of a GM bankruptcy) are about the only ways the government should get involved.
The bankruptcy court could void warranties, and GM might chose not to keep making parts available for some cars.
With those possibilities, who would buy a GM car?
Therefore, doing just enough to keep faith in the company so people will buy their cars, is OK, but telling GM how to run isn't.

343 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:54am

re: #323 Dustoff-507

A good excuse to kick back this weekend!

I wish. Have a mild concussion. Been sick since then.. Still feeling off kilter even now.

Got somebody at home with you?
Take it easy, man. It could be a couple of days.

344 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #331 Cato

No- he's not now, nor will he ever be the anti-christ. Get a grip!

345 monkey den  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:40:47am

ha, Drudge headline

GM: GOVERNMENT MOTORS

346 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:18am

re: #327 Erik The Red

BREAKING NEWS.

Chrysler and Fiat reach a deal.

If they were smart they would send back all of the government money.

347 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:26am

re: #342 Kosh's Shadow


The Obama automaker plan has so many faults, not the least of which is that they're destroying the secondary market and whatever residual value they have in those vehicles still on the road.

348 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:26am

re: #332 avanti

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.
I know how blogs work. There are 100's or 1000's of bloggers, but 90% of the posts come from 5% of the bloggers. If that 5% forms a nice little clique, they can pile on any unpopular thought and they present the public face of the forum.
Take the Commie label for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

Why don't you stop your fucking whining and answer some of our questions. This is a blog, we discuss issues, you just parrot leftist talking points and never actually digest and discuss an issue.

Gosh, it is so typical of you, you think the whole world revolves around you (or at least this whole blog). Charles is not going to hold a poll for YOU. Sorry, you're not that important.

Are you for real?

349 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:32am

re: #343 jcm


My daughter in-law. She does blood draws at Colby hospital.

The wine bar has 86th the lady who cause this whole mess.
Jezzz.

350 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:53am
351 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #307 opinionated

Does anyone still believe Obama will not change America. And in my opinion for the worse.

He said a while ago that the US will now guarantee some auto warranties.

Chew on that.

We have likely all had some trouble getting the Dealer to honor a warranty- are we now going to have to contact our Representatives?

That's why I buy Toyotas and Hondas. Never had a problem with a dealer. Both companies will reduce or remove dealer discounts if there are complaints.
Of course, the cars I have now didn't need any warranty work either, while at one time GM had a $100 deductible on warranty repairs. That tells me they expect several small problems with the car.

352 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:05am

re: #332 avanti

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.
I know how blogs work. There are 100's or 1000's of bloggers, but 90% of the posts come from 5% of the bloggers. If that 5% forms a nice little clique, they can pile on any unpopular thought and they present the public face of the forum.
Take the Commie label for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

No, you're right, most would choose condom!

353 jcbunga  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:07am

Dissent is Patriotic

354 Shug  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:12am

Obama derangement syndrome = birth certificate lawsuits

Hammering Obama on the nationalization of American private enterprise, wacko leftist cabinet nominees, 10 trillion debt and a whole host of bad policy = NOT Obama derangement syndrome

355 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:16am

I think it is reasonable to point out the worshipful tone and displays of the image of Obama on lefties cars, shirts, homes. I don't think he's the anti-Christ but he's certainly got a cult of personality following him which is in historical terms very dangerous. I don't remember any President inspiring pop cultural art and clothing. Perhaps I have a limited memory but I don't recall copious Nixon, Carter or Reagan images displayed on cars. I don't remember a major soft drink brand coordinating marketing with a politician. It is unsettling.

I fully disagree with his policies which are mystifying unless you assume he is looking to transform the economy into a socialist one. He has admitted as much. It is deranged to ignore statements like The price of electricity would necessarily skyrocketand that he'd bankrupt the coal industry.

I hope he fails. I hope he fails to enact his policies which will in the long run be a disaster for the country. I hope the economy thrives, but it won't over the long haul with bloated government and socialist policies. I hope the Congress pushes back on some of his policies he wants to sneak through under a guise of stimulus. If the country wants socialized medicine, that's fine, not my wish, but let's debate it and lay it out for people to see. Let's look at costs and benefits. Before we spend more on education, let's teach our politicians to read all the bills they vote on.

I think he's more dangerous than any president I've seen primarily because of the ignorance and arrogance he's shown so far.

356 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:44am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Obama and the auto companies: when push comes to Chevy.

Sounds like the Chrysler deal was done by executive fiat.......

357 monkey den  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:50am

re: #353 jcbunga

Dissent is Patriotic

Apparently it was until 1/20/2009

358 Fred72  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:24am

re: #5 Alouette

I am not happy with Obama's policies, and his interference with GM is especially troubling.

What many people don't know (and this is completely understandable) is that in the private sector, if you ask for money from a VC firm or an investment banker, they're very likely to ask for a change in leadership as a requisite for getting the cash. They might install their own CEO or fill your board with people they know, or simply ask that certain people step down. I think there's too much hysteria about this act which is really par for the course in the investment world. And that's what the government is doing: giving GM money. A lot of it.

Where the Obama administration gets it wrong is giving GM money in the first place. The writing is on the wall: as we move from a manufacturing economy to an information economy, our auto companies will have a hard time of it. It's going to be a rough decade or so for them while they adapt to the new realities, but we shouldn't follow them into the rathole with taxpayer money.

But if we accept the fact that the government is giving GM the money in the first place (and there's little we can do about it in the short term) then I am glad that they are acting as any responsible VC or investment banker should, and adding contingencies as they see fit rather than blindly handing over the cash. From my perspective, although Rick Wagonner is probably a smart guy and even a nice guy to boot, the record shows that he's been a failure at running GM.

People ask: "shouldn't GM's board of directors have a say in this?". Well, they do. They can always do the sensible thing and put their hands in their pockets and stop asking the government for a bailout. But if they want the cash, there'll be strings.

359 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:29am

re: #332 avanti

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.
I know how blogs work. There are 100's or 1000's of bloggers, but 90% of the posts come from 5% of the bloggers. If that 5% forms a nice little clique, they can pile on any unpopular thought and they present the public face of the forum.
Take the Commie label for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

Would you like a little cheese with that whine?

360 bemused  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:31am

Couldn't agree more with the Obama Derangement Syndrome. Obama needs to become a one-and-done President and for that opposition must be clear-headed and focused. ODS will not help in that regard.

361 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #355 Gretchen

I think it is reasonable to point out the worshipful tone and displays of the image of Obama on lefties cars, shirts, homes. I don't think he's the anti-Christ but he's certainly got a cult of personality following him which is in historical terms very dangerous. I don't remember any President inspiring pop cultural art and clothing. Perhaps I have a limited memory but I don't recall copious Nixon, Carter or Reagan images displayed on cars. I don't remember a major soft drink brand coordinating marketing with a politician. It is unsettling.

I fully disagree with his policies which are mystifying unless you assume he is looking to transform the economy into a socialist one. He has admitted as much. It is deranged to ignore statements like The price of electricity would necessarily skyrocketand that he'd bankrupt the coal industry.

I hope he fails. I hope he fails to enact his policies which will in the long run be a disaster for the country. I hope the economy thrives, but it won't over the long haul with bloated government and socialist policies. I hope the Congress pushes back on some of his policies he wants to sneak through under a guise of stimulus. If the country wants socialized medicine, that's fine, not my wish, but let's debate it and lay it out for people to see. Let's look at costs and benefits. Before we spend more on education, let's teach our politicians to read all the bills they vote on.

I think he's more dangerous than any president I've seen primarily because of the ignorance and arrogance he's shown so far.

Er, John F. Kennedy. Maybe you're not old enough to remember. Heck, even the Catholic Church sold pictures that you could hang on you wall, with both Kennedy and Christ in the same picture.

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #335 buzzsawmonkey

Gettelfinger
--with apologies to Shirley Bassey

Whenever I think of the "Goldfinger" theme song, in my mind it immediately lapses into "Moon River".

Gollld-FINGAH!
Wider than a mile
I'm crossing you in style
some day...

363 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:53am
364 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:10am

re: #342 Kosh's Shadow

This (and making sure parts continue to be available in the case of a GM bankruptcy) are about the only ways the government should get involved.
The bankruptcy court could void warranties, and GM might chose not to keep making parts available for some cars.
With those possibilities, who would buy a GM car?
Therefore, doing just enough to keep faith in the company so people will buy their cars, is OK, but telling GM how to run isn't.

BO is flat out dishonest....the UAW is the bigger problem...in pushing Wagoner out you would think it was because of the legacy concessions to the union that management failed to address all these decades...it isn't...it's pure hypocritical showboating....BO is a fraud and a liar and a whore for the unions...pretty simple imo

365 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:26am

re: #319 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Well, if you don't have to worry about your mortgage, why worry about your auto?

Because you took on the responsibility for the mortgage; the car was sold to you with a warranty.
If many people decide the risk of no warranty service is too large, GM goes out of business anyway.

366 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:30am

Back in the good ol' USSR:

A comrade receives notice, after years of waiting, of the delivery date for his new Lada sedan. When he goes into the dealership (probably at the local post office) to sign the documents, he is told his new car will arrive in four years, on August 13.

"Do you know which day of the week that is?" he asks.

"I think it's a Thursday," the postal worker tells him.

"Then I'll need to reschedule," he says, "I've already booked the plumber for that day.

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #334 Bloodnok

Those tactics "worked" because the MSM gave them cover for the bad things and gave them legitimacy for everything else. It would be unwise for us to try the same tactics, no matter how much the LLLs deserve the same treatment they gave the right.

We can't keep running a scorecard which say "We can do this because the left did this". We were above those actions when the LLLs did it, we should be above it now.

Being reactionary isn't going to get conservative principles back in power in Washington.

368 pokeefe  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:32am

He may not be Hitler or Charles Manson, but he is certainly convinced of the veracity of his shockingly naive vision.

369 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:45am

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

Quite a Saab story, if you ask me.

Yugo too far

370 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:44:48am

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

Quite a Saab story, if you ask me.

But they are Fording ahead...

371 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:02am
372 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:07am

re: #332 avanti

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.
I know how blogs work. There are 100's or 1000's of bloggers, but 90% of the posts come from 5% of the bloggers. If that 5% forms a nice little clique, they can pile on any unpopular thought and they present the public face of the forum.
Take the Commie label for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

Add "crybaby" to the long list of accurate descriptions that have been applied to you here.

373 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:11am

JCM

It got even worse at the ER.

The doc's and nurses were making me the 'butt' of all jokes. (-:

It's so nice to be loved.... I think! LOL

374 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:14am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

Heck, even the Catholic Church sold pictures that you could hang on you wall, with both Kennedy and Christ in the same picture.

But the rumors that they both dated Marilyn were completely unfounded.

375 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

To drive YOU away from this board. Don't you get it Avanti?

Well, at least you're honest, but sadly, the personal insults will not drive me off LGF. I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.

376 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:24am

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

Dammit, wrong link.

Here's the one I meant to link to.

PIMF.

Your comment reminded me of this:

[Link: chronicle.com...]

377 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:30am
378 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:36am

re: #346 father_of_10

If they were smart they would send back all of the government money.

The chairman of Fiat had already said that a deal with Chrysler was contingent on Chrysler getting more bailout money.

379 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:53am

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

Quite a Saab story, if you ask me.

Have a Seat, and tell us about it.

380 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:56am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Obama and the auto companies: when push comes to Chevy.

Dodged that bullet..

381 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:05am

re: #362 Occasional Reader

Whenever I think of the "Goldfinger" theme song, in my mind it immediately lapses into "Moon River".

Gollld-FINGAH!
Wider than a mile
I'm crossing you in style
some day...

Hey OR! Good afternoon..Good job of keeping it together last night during the melt down...Kudos

382 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:14am

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

re: #370 Leonidas Hoplite

If he can force out one CEO, all the rest are Citroen ducks.

It's a national Chrysler, someone has to do SOMETHING!

/

383 Wendya  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #36 soxfan4life

The fact that all members of the House have to run every 2 years should lead to a big turnover in 2010. Mid-term elections should be a big indicator for 2012, if the GOP wins and gains at least 1 majority 0bama should be history in 2012, if then GOP loses more ground, they should go hat in hand and beg for a government bailout and some new leadership.

I'm not particularly hopeful about the midterm elections. If you look back to the great depression, FDR was able to get his machine in place and steamroll the opposition using federal dollars and new deal programs. People kept voting for the democrats because they were hoping that federal money would end up in their pockets if they just kept voting and waiting. It took a court packing scheme and interference in the Senate majority leader pick to get the democrats to start pushing back.

384 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #358 Fred72

What many people don't know (and this is completely understandable) is that in the private sector, if you ask for money from a VC firm or an investment banker, they're very likely to ask for a change in leadership as a requisite for getting the cash. They might install their own CEO or fill your board with people they know, or simply ask that certain people step down. I think there's too much hysteria about this act which is really par for the course in the investment world. And that's what the government is doing: giving GM money. A lot of it.

Where the Obama administration gets it wrong is giving GM money in the first place. The writing is on the wall: as we move from a manufacturing economy to an information economy, our auto companies will have a hard time of it. It's going to be a rough decade or so for them while they adapt to the new realities, but we shouldn't follow them into the rathole with taxpayer money.

But if we accept the fact that the government is giving GM the money in the first place (and there's little we can do about it in the short term) then I am glad that they are acting as any responsible VC or investment banker should, and adding contingencies as they see fit rather than blindly handing over the cash. From my perspective, although Rick Wagonner is probably a smart guy and even a nice guy to boot, the record shows that he's been a failure at running GM.

People ask: "shouldn't GM's board of directors have a say in this?". Well, they do. They can always do the sensible thing and put their hands in their pockets and stop asking the government for a bailout. But if they want the cash, there'll be strings.

I don't care. They are NOT A VC, they are the government. I will ask you the same question I asked Avanti. Name me another administration that suggested a private citizen step down from his/her job in return for federal support?

385 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:27am

re: #331 Cato

No, if he did that, I'd consider him grossly imcompetent, and unfit for the job of president.

386 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:45am

re: #338 Ringo the Gringo

One of the ugliest features of Bush Derangement Syndrome was adults trying instill BDS into their young children by telling them the most horrible things about the President of the United States and teaching them to be disrespectful to - and even hate - the President.

I have a young daughter and, although I did not vote vote Barack Obama, I would never speak badly of him in front of her, and I always make a point of referring to him respectfully as President Obama.

I've seen enough bad, crazy moonbat behavior to know I want no part of it in my house.

i agree, i know people who were so irresponsible towards their children.
one little 8 yr. old boy got so upset once abt. bush. he nearly cried.
it was his teacher and parents who indoctrinated him. the little boy was more upset abt. bush than a monster under his bed.
what a hideous burden to put on a child. very inappropriate.

387 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Are you for real?

Seems to me that the reason avanti gets into such a snit when we discuss Communism...is perhaps he or she might actually be one?

388 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:14am

re: #381 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Good afternoon..Good job of keeping it together last night during the melt down...Kudos

I'm like Jack Lemmon in The China Syndrome, only much less rumpled.

389 Right mind left  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:15am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Obama and the auto companies: when push comes to Chevy.

They'll reVolvo around and around about it all..

390 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:16am

I think for the most part avanti is completely ignorable. Here he is again trying to derail the thread so that we're discussing him instead of the article.

391 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Obama and the auto companies: when push comes to Chevy.

he won't have to Ford the waters of discontent, he'll simply Dodge the issues

392 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:45am

re: #375 avanti

Well, at least you're honest, but sadly, the personal insults will not drive me off LGF. I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.

That would be fine if you actually discussed and addressed our topics and questions to you. You don't.

393 Mithrax  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:51am

re: #391 albusteve

he won't have to Ford the waters of discontent, he'll simply Dodge the issues

And run like a Rabbit when it gets difficult.

394 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #378 Ward Cleaver

The chairman of Fiat had already said that a deal with Chrysler was contingent on Chrysler getting more bailout money.

They're done then. Now Obama will have control of GM and Mopar, which are both international companies. My father-in-law, The Colonel, is going to go apoplectic.

395 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:54am

re: #332 avanti

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.

So, you ADMIT that what you said about LGFer's was a "grave, personal insult"!

BTW, I think I've posted it about four times only.

396 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:02am

Chrysler and Fiat is not exactly a match made in heaven. More like the other place.
A company that ignores lemon laws and recalls, with a company known as "Fix It Again, Tony" is not a company I'm going to do business with.

397 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:11am

re: #386 nyc redneck

i agree, i know people who were so irresponsible towards their children.
one little 8 yr. old boy got so upset once abt. bush. he nearly cried.
it was his teacher and parents who indoctrinated him. the little boy was more upset abt. bush than a monster under his bed.
what a hideous burden to put on a child. very inappropriate.

Eventually, if that kid wakes up, he'll feel like a fool, then be angry at his parents.

398 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:38am

re: #375 avanti

Well, at least you're honest, but sadly, the personal insults will not drive me off LGF. I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.


How many hundreds of blogs did you go through before arriving on Charles porch?

399 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:39am
400 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:39am

re: #391 albusteve

he won't have to Ford the waters of discontent, he'll simply Dodge the issues

I wish we had real national heroes like we used to; people like Audi Murphy.

401 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #375 avanti

I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Excuse me while I chime in.

Has Charles said anything to you yet? If not, I would leave the "banned" comment alone.

Somethings you'll just have to go with (we agree to disagree)

402 aidos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:48:48am

Man, the Right has a short memory. I visit daily many of the top right-center blogs and have never seen anything that comes close to what Bush/Cheney and the Right had to endure for eight years.

Furthermore, BDS was not just the domain of leftwing blogs. It came from the mouths of sitting Senators and Congressmen, late night comedians, journalists, and TV anchorpersons, for crying out loud.

Nothing compares to what the Left did and said (and still does). Look how they still carry on about Sarah Palin. Look what they do to Rush. I am not saying we should imitate them. Hell, no. But fulminate against them, hell yes. Obama and the Democrats are causing irreparable damage at breakneck speed.

We ought not let a handful of nuts on our side persuade us from calling these Democrats out and telling the truth about who they are and what they want.

403 jcbunga  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:49:19am

By Fiat.

I'm so deranged I missed that one.

Very good.

404 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:49:30am

re: #300 jorline

Does the removal of Wagner by the government mean we can in turn remove the POTUS if he doesn't turn a profit and continues to waste money.
//

blasphemy!

405 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:01am

re: #395 MandyManners

Yes, and you reposted that grave personal insult a half dozen times while I've been called every name in the book to the entertainment of many.


So, you ADMIT that what you said about LGFer's was a "grave, personal insult"!

BTW, I think I've posted it about four times only.

Or, do you think that my reposting WHAT YOU WROTE is the "grave, personal insult"?

406 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:01am

This was an excellent article.

407 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:09am

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

Obama, however, has no real comparison I can think for foreign policy. He seems to be utterly clueless when it comes to dealing with the foreign heads of state. The DVD debacle as just an example.

How about the speech to the Iranians wishing them a happy new year? Or the letter to Chirac?
Really, his domestic policy is really terrible, but on foreign policy he's at his absolute worst. And it's NOT a question of diplomatic screw up's like the DVD's. It's EVERYTHING he's done or is trying to do in foreign affairs. And that does concern me; I think America can shake off his worst domestic policies, but I'm afraid that from a foreign policy point of view, he's alienating our allies in GB, France,
Japan, South Korea, Israel - especially Israel - and is still talking about screwing around with US interventin in Pakistan - you remember Pakistan - that ISLAMIC nation, filled with Jihadists that just happens to have Nuclear Warheads and Missiles?
No I don't believe for a minute that all of the legitimate criticism of Obama's policies (which are, as I said in #158 also, necessarily, criticisms of Obama himself) are ODS at all.

408 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:19am

re: #373 Dustoff-507

JCM

It got even worse at the ER.

The doc's and nurses were making me the 'butt' of all jokes. (-:

It's so nice to be loved.... I think! LOL

The worst thing was when I got whacked on a fire scene, and they took me in. The guy who whacked me in the dark got it even worse.

409 fish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #334 Bloodnok

Those tactics "worked" because the MSM gave them cover for the bad things and gave them legitimacy for everything else. It would be unwise for us to try the same tactics, no matter how much the LLLs deserve the same treatment they gave the right.

We can't keep running a scorecard which say "We can do this because the left did this". We were above those actions when the LLLs did it, we should be above it now.

No we should not do what they were doing. But we DO need to rethink our strategy of getting the message out. The Conservatives are using an old playbook and the left knows it by heart. The "Republicans are Evil" meme works because we haven't figured out how to counter it. Of course it is about the only play they have, notice how they have continued it substituting Rush for Bush.

410 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:29am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

OT (I guess)

"In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been. Because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warrantee."

Obama speaks...

[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]

Hey Avanti, how does this make you feel, all warm and fuzzy?

I assume extensions will now automatically be extended indefinitely. 2 working cars in every garage, chicken every pot... and all that.

411 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:30am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Charles is not going to hold a poll for YOU. Sorry, you're not that important.

Are you for real?


Now that's typical twisting of words. I never suggested Charles would hold a poll for me. My point was and is, that the Commie label is likely not main stream thought even on LGF. It's the friggin syndrome .

412 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:41am

While watching the BDS sufferers, I had to look back at how I reacted to the Clinton years. I hated the guy and his lying and corruption. That was unhealthy. In hindsight, I see the gains Clinton gave the Republicans and how his only noteworthy moments were Republican ideas (NAFTA, welfare reform, impeachment)

So, I've kinda made it a goal to not get like that with BHO.

413 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:50:53am

re: #360 bemused

Couldn't agree more with the Obama Derangement Syndrome. Obama needs to become a one-and-done President and for that opposition must be clear-headed and focused. ODS will not help in that regard.

Correct. BDS had no effect whatsoever on Mr. Bush's successful re-election.

414 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #398 HoosierHoops

How many hundreds of blogs did you go through before arriving on Charles porch?

As a stray. I think Charles has a soft spot for strays/unwanted pets. A good pet troll is useful.

415 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #375 avanti

Well, at least you're honest, but sadly, the personal insults will not drive me off LGF. I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.

you insulted me out of the blue for no good reason...you won't answer honest questions or ignore posters that ask them...that is an insult imo...you are fucked up dude...you have a bad memory...in two years you are the only person that ever intentionally insulted me and you never answered for it and I asked you over and over to make it right....you are a petty coward

416 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:51:21am

I appreciate Horowitz's position, but honestly, what reality has he been living in for the last few decades? It doesn't matter how restrained or how over the top we are, because in the end we will still be branded as fringe extremists by the MSM, by educators, even by liberal pols themselves.

And I'm more than a little tired of this new breed of internet Conservatives who have taken it upon themselves to decide for everyone what will and won't be acceptable talking points about "The One". The idea that we get (or will ever get) any extra points from liberals for being "civil" is absurd, and why should we wring our hands over what our enemies think about us while our nation burns?

417 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:20am

re: #391 albusteve

he won't have to Ford the waters of discontent, he'll simply Dodge the issues

He's not worth a tinker's Daimler, I'll give you that.

418 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:20am

re: #411 avanti

If Charles held a poll for you, he'd have to include Ron Paul as an option.

419 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:21am

So they mechanic will tell you: I'm from the government; I'm here to help?

In what alternate universe does any government have the ability to be efficient?

420 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:23am

re: #400 Occasional Reader

I wish we had real national heroes like we used to; people like Audi Murphy.

a good Texas Rebel that boy....

421 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #415 albusteve

you insulted me out of the blue for no good reason...you won't answer honest questions or ignore posters that ask them...that is an insult imo...you are fucked up dude...you have a bad memory...in two years you are the only person that ever intentionally insulted me and you never answered for it and I asked you over and over to make it right....you are a petty coward

Most communist are!

422 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:59am

re: #417 OldLineTexan

He's not worth a tinker's Daimler, I'll give you that.

If you get criticism for that post, I Maybach you up.

423 AMER1CAN  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:16am

Nice guys finish last.

424 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:19am

re: #411 avanti

Now that's typical twisting of words.

Like you did to me up thread? Please don't give yourself pious airs on this matter.

425 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:23am

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

Most communist are!


OT -
Walter, I am almost finished with Season One and having quite a good time with it.

426 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:31am

re: #391 albusteve

re: #408 jcm

LOL.... Your so mean!

427 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:41am

re: #418 Macker

If Charles held a poll for you, he'd have to include Ron Paul as an option.

hahaha!....good one...a poll Nor would win!

428 Fred72  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:47am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

We're in agreement: they're not a VC; they're the government.

My point is that since they're acting like a VC (and there's nothing we can do about it at the moment) at least they're acting like a smart VC.

Remember when the first TARP funds were released last year? They blew through the money and then it came to light that there was a shocking lack of oversight. Sadly, I don't think we've come to the end of the free money giveaway at taxpayer expense, but at least they're getting a little smarter at it.

429 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:53:55am
430 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:14am

re: #411 avanti

Now that's typical twisting of words. I never suggested Charles would hold a poll for me. My point was and is, that the Commie label is likely not main stream thought even on LGF. It's the friggin syndrome .

You remind of a little dog that gets kicked around, whines, pees on himself, then comes slinking back for more because it's all he's ever known.

431 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:18am

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

re: #370 Leonidas Hoplite

If he can force out one CEO, all the rest are Citroen ducks.

You're leaving me pining for the Fjords.

432 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:20am

So far, I think Obama is a terrible president. He is farther left that I ever imagined, and his policies and his tax increases (and his lies about taxation) will be a disaster for this nation. His entire campaign was built on deception, and I do not trust him. Obama has made an art of meaningless manipulative language. One positive - he seems to have a strong family. He obviously loves his wife and his two adorable little girls.

The right would do well to hammer Obama on his policies and leave the crazy stuff aside. That said, if Obama is acting like a socialist or a fascist, I will not be afraid to say so.

433 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #411 avanti


Sir... let it go and get back to this thread...

434 opnion  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:49am

re: #387 Macker

Seems to me that the reason avanti gets into such a snit when we discuss Communism...is perhaps he or she might actually be one?

I am not singleing out Avanti, but there is a large segment in the country that would be offended if Karl Marx was referred to as a Marxist.

435 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:56am

re: #430 father_of_10

You remind of a little dog that gets kicked around, whines, pees on himself, then comes slinking back for more because it's all he's ever known.

If I had them 100 updings.

436 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #413 unreconstructed rebel

But it did have a big effect on Mr. Obama's election. Every Obama supporter I've spoken to can't help telling me how their sheer hatred of all things Bush solidified their decision to vote for Obama. And whenever I criticize Obama, instead of defending Obama they tell how bad Bush was.

437 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:12am
438 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:20am

re: #429 buzzsawmonkey

Here you go: The Machine Stops, by EM Forster.

Thanks! I was just weeding through my own search...

439 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:24am

re: #416 Lizard by the Bay

And I'm more than a little tired of this new breed of internet Conservatives who have taken it upon themselves to decide for everyone what will and won't be acceptable talking points

What do you mean "for everyone"? I've seen conservatives expressing their opinions, not trying to enforce them.

The idea that we get (or will ever get) any extra points from liberals for being "civil" is absurd

It's not merely about being civil, it's about nut sounding completely nuts. The DNC would like nothing better in 2010 than to be able to point back to two years of over-the-top "right wing" rhetoric.

440 martdod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:27am

Oh wait a minute...... I will just say nothing.... I will keep my opinions to myself.... I will say and do nothing. Just like a good Marxist.

441 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #332 avanti

Take the Commie label (given me) for example, you might think that was approved by the LGF bloggers in general. I would bet if Charles put a Commie, socialist, far left, left poll, the bulk of group would not chose "Commie"

If you think Avanti is a commie upding this comment. If you think he's not a commie downding this comment.

442 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:57am

re: #387 Macker

Seems to me that the reason avanti gets into such a snit when we discuss Communism...is perhaps he or she might actually be one?

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

443 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #434 opnion
Karl Marx was referred to as a Marxist


LOL................ nice.

444 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:03am

Come to think of it, I had a roaring case of JDS, but he was still the President & I still went to Viet Nam in service of my country.

When Gary Trudeau did that disgusting piece after the election indicating that "good thinking" people could at long last go & do public service, I almost puked.

445 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:04am

re: #433 Dustoff-507

Sir... let it go and get back to this thread...

Dude..Are you OK..hear you got your head wacked helping out a lady..
Hope you get feeling better...

446 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #441 unrealizedviewpoint

No votes for Ron Paul

447 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:20am

BBIAW!

448 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #425 OldLineTexan

OT -
Walter, I am almost finished with Season One and having quite a good time with it.

Good. I was watching the first four episodes of season one the other night. I have to give chops to the writers. Watching what they started to create 5 years ago, and comparing it to current episodes, the continuity and plot arcs are solid.

These guys had a really good idea where this whole story was going from day one (as they claimed) and you will be amazed when you get to the current season and see what I'm talking about.

I have rarely been so impressed with a TV show.

449 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:35am

I didn't vote for Obama, but I haven't been excessively "hating" on him either. I'm upset with some of his recent moves, even though I was impressed with some of his moves as President Elect. He ran as a sensible left of center candidate. But his early domestic moves are troubling. I never trusted his george soros ties, and I see evidence of soros benefitting from our misery. The jury is out on Obama, but if he is not extremely ethical, he is going to hear about it. After all, he did run as Mr Clean.

450 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:39am

re: #441 unrealizedviewpoint

If you think Avanti is a commie upding this comment. If you think he's not a commie downding this comment.

This may just get top of the pops today. :)

451 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:43am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

As the economy is Bentley, so it will grow.

Well, Lada da! Aren't we going philosophical! Renault, next thing we'll be quoting Stuart Smalley.

/

452 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:52am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

As the economy is Bentley, so it will grow.

Packering them in, I see.

453 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:56:58am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

As the economy is Bentley, so it will grow.

just watch as it Rolls along

454 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:05am

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

As the economy is Bentley, so it will grow.

Question is...can we afFord to wait for it to grow?

455 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #429 buzzsawmonkey

Here you go: The Machine Stops, by EM Forster.

Wow. I haven't thought about that story since... college? High school? I'll have to take another look.

456 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:32am

Still waiting for an answer to either my No. 395 or 405.

457 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:45am
458 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:49am

Breaking: Chrysler reportedly reaches deal for alliance with Italy's Fiat (via MSNBC)

they're saved! /oh wait, they're not.

459 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:57:53am

re: #441 unrealizedviewpoint

ROn PAul!

460 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #413 unreconstructed rebel

Correct. BDS had no effect whatsoever on Mr. Bush's successful re-election.

Correct,but it certainly hurt in the 2006 mid-terms and helped ensure a lame duck second term for Bush.

461 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:10am

re: #453 albusteve

just watch as it Rolls along

You're such a Stutz.

462 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:30am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

That was fucking 40 years ago. You've changed.

463 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #439 Occasional Reader

It's not merely about being civil, it's about not sounding completely nuts. The DNC would like nothing better in 2010 than to be able to point back to two years of over-the-top "right wing" rhetoric.

Again, we will be branded as completely nuts anyway, just as we are branded as racists, misogynists, religious whackos who despise the poor and want to take old people's SS money away every four years. And if the liberals can't find a any nuts, they will manufacture their own.

464 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:41am
465 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:47am

re: #457 Ward Cleaver

OT -

W to throw out the first pitch at the Rangers' home opener against the Tribe.

I hope he fires a Strike, just like he did back in 2001!

466 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:07am

re: #458 lawhawk

Breaking: Chrysler reportedly reaches deal for alliance with Italy's Fiat (via MSNBC)

they're saved! /oh wait, they're not.

It is called Fiat committing suicide. I guess Italy hasn't learned about establishing dubious alliances.

467 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:18am

re: #445 HoosierHoops

Yeah... I'm some what ok.

The life of a rescue person can be dangerous. (-:

468 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #453 albusteve

just watch as it Rolls along

A Beemer of light just opened my eyes...
/You are a car nut Avanti..go ahead and jump in and have some fun with the lizards

469 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #415 albusteve

you insulted me out of the blue for no good reason...you won't answer honest questions or ignore posters that ask them...that is an insult imo...you are fucked up dude...you have a bad memory...in two years you are the only person that ever intentionally insulted me and you never answered for it and I asked you over and over to make it right....you are a petty coward

I have asked you several times to tell me how I insulted you. If I did, I'd certainly love to have the opportunity to reply. BTW, I envy you, one insult in two days, not years would be a milestone for me.

470 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #466 father_of_10

It is called Fiat committing suicide. I guess Italy hasn't learned about establishing dubious alliances.

Learned? They're EXPERTS!

/

471 gadlaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #411 avanti

Now that's typical twisting of words. I never suggested Charles would hold a poll for me. My point was and is, that the Commie label is likely not main stream thought even on LGF. It's the friggin syndrome .

You didn't say that, just a bunch of people happy to name call, gang up and act the mob. You were right in your assessment - a small group of high post folks who think they run the asylum. I agree, the 'commie' label isn't one that has much water any longer. Communists were defeated by the weight of their own fail and the use of the 'commie' slur is just some folks wishing for the 'good old days' of the Red Scare. They call you a peeing dog - they seem to be a bunch of yipping taco bell dogs.

472 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:55am
473 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:59:57am

re: #409 fish

No we should not do what they were doing. But we DO need to rethink our strategy of getting the message out. The Conservatives are using an old playbook and the left knows it by heart. The "Republicans are Evil" meme works because we haven't figured out how to counter it. Of course it is about the only play they have, notice how they have continued it substituting Rush for Bush.

I agree with you there. I am all for new methods and outlets for our message (provided we have a coherent one, which is debatable). Just as long as we aren't negative and reactionary and don't buy into kookspriacies.

474 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:00:12am

re: #436 Land Shark

But it did have a big effect on Mr. Obama's election. Every Obama supporter I've spoken to can't help telling me how their sheer hatred of all things Bush solidified their decision to vote for Obama. And whenever I criticize Obama, instead of defending Obama they tell how bad Bush was.

We are still in the interval of journalism. History has not yet spoken.

And, say what thay would like, Mr. Obama was NOT running agains Mr. Bush.

475 Athos  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #375 avanti

I looked long and hard for a blog that would allow discussion without being banned.

With that, it would be nice for you to at least participate in the discussion as opposed to just spewing talking points in troll-by's. You can start by answering the questions already posed to you.

476 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #458 lawhawk


Fix
It
Again
Tony.

Some how, this just looks bad.

477 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:00:27am

re: #463 Lizard by the Bay

Again, we will be branded as completely nuts anyway, just as we are branded as racists, misogynists, religious whackos who despise the poor and want to take old people's SS money away every four years. And if the liberals can't find a any nuts, they will manufacture their own.

There is a great deal to that. But I'd like not to be cited. I'd think badly of myself.

478 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:00:47am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

discuss BOs repressive taxation and his redistribution of wealth...his incursion into private business...any of his social engineering such as his promise of free College for anybody....go for it

479 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:08am

re: #416 Lizard by the Bay

I appreciate Horowitz's position, but honestly, what reality has he been living in for the last few decades? It doesn't matter how restrained or how over the top we are, because in the end we will still be branded as fringe extremists by the MSM, by educators, even by liberal pols themselves.

And I'm more than a little tired of this new breed of internet Conservatives who have taken it upon themselves to decide for everyone what will and won't be acceptable talking points about "The One". The idea that we get (or will ever get) any extra points from liberals for being "civil" is absurd, and why should we wring our hands over what our enemies think about us while our nation burns?

I could not possibly care less what the left thinks about what I write. They've already done their worst, smearing me all over the internet, calling me a Nazi and worse.

When I say I don't like the fringe ranting and Obama Derangement Syndrome, that's MY opinion, because I won't jump into the fever swamps and start acting like a kook. It has nothing at all to do with anyone's outside opinion.

And expressing my opinion is NOT telling anyone what are "acceptable talking points." You're free to be as deranged and kooky as you like. But I would hope that by expressing my opinion on the matter, maybe a few people will step back from the brink and act like rational adults instead of screaming children throwing a tantrum -- like the left has done for the past 8 years.

480 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #439 Occasional Reader

It's not merely about being civil, it's about nut sounding completely nuts. The DNC would like nothing better in 2010 than to be able to point back to two years of over-the-top "right wing" rhetoric.

And this is why I've fallen into despair. The right doesn't care, OR. Many WANT to behave this way. They don't want to think, they want to react, they want to allow their emotions to dictate. And if you tell them to get a grip, they get reactionary about that too. How dare we tell them to get a grip! And it's sadly all justified with logical fallacies on their part. This is beyond sad,

481 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:21am

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

re: #453 albusteve

re: #454 LGoPs

I give Hup.

Should we declare you Kia?

482 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:23am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

If you want to prove you are not a Communist, don't post stuff that displays your Communistic tendencies.

483 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:24am

re: #469 avanti

I have asked you several times to tell me how I insulted you. If I did, I'd certainly love to have the opportunity to reply. BTW, I envy you, one insult in two days, not years would be a milestone for me.

Say sorry and let it go. It saves a lot of typing.

484 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #190 Sharmuta

As much as I will always be grateful to President Bush for keeping this country safe, he was a socialist republican.

His free-market principles slipped right out of his hands.

485 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:35am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

Yawn.

On the internet, I'm a doctor jet fighter pilot college professor green beret movie star CIA operative millionaire. You couldn't imagine what MY security clearance is!

486 Wendya  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:44am

re: #434 opnion

I am not singleing out Avanti, but there is a large segment in the country that would be offended if Karl Marx was referred to as a Marxist.

The left has been very effective in demonizing anyone who points out policies that are marxist or fascist in nature. They've tried over the years to equate them with racial slurs. That's absurd and I'm not playing that game.

487 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:55am

re: #461 OldLineTexan

You're such a Stutz.

Stutz the Putz...I am too

488 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:02:03am

re: #471 gadlaw

You didn't say that, just a bunch of people happy to name call, gang up and act the mob. You were right in your assessment - a small group of high post folks who think they run the asylum. I agree, the 'commie' label isn't one that has much water any longer. Communists were defeated by the weight of their own fail and the use of the 'commie' slur is just some folks wishing for the 'good old days' of the Red Scare. They call you a peeing dog - they seem to be a bunch of yipping taco bell dogs.

Oh look, a butterfly!

489 AMER1CAN  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:02:09am

Some folks tried to say in the lead up to the election that if we didn't vote for Obama then we are racist. Now, which syndrome does that fall under exactly?

I like this idea of fighting like noblemen. Perhaps we should break out the white gloves and see what effect a slap across the cheek has.

490 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:02:23am

The Obama Administration is diverting capital away from well run businesses to businesses that are failing because of poor management decisions. We all get to pay for it.

Don't know what 'ism' covers that. I'd call it crappy business practice.

491 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:12am

re: #479 Charles

Just this once, Charles, would it be all right if I donned my sock-puppet to give you an extra upding?

492 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:23am

re: #480 Sharmuta

And this is why I've fallen into despair.

Don't. Sanity will prevail. Insanity is unsustainable.

493 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #441 unrealizedviewpoint

If you think Avanti is a commie upding this comment. If you think he's not a commie downding this comment.

Avanti has read Marx or Lenin, let alone begin to understand them.

494 gadlaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

Oh look, a butterfly!

Oh look a name caller! Nice hat.

495 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #485 father_of_10

Yawn.

On the internet, I'm a doctor jet fighter pilot college professor green beret movie star CIA operative millionaire. You couldn't imagine what MY security clearance is!

Whoa..Did you already retire from the NBA? Too much on your plate? LOL
( Good luck in the HOF voting..I hear you are a lock)
/

496 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #196 Dustoff-507

Hey JCM.

I spent Friday evening at my own ER. Getting worked on. Cat scan and other stuff. )-:

Not a good weekend.

One of those 4 hour problems?

497 THX-42  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:56am

So he's really just a good, decent, clean, articulate, America-loving patriot who only coincidentally has a few (OK, a lot) bad policies, like seizing private companies, ordering the breaking of contract laws, encouraging mob mentality and threats against private citizens, promoting the writing of tax laws against a small subset of private individuals, etc., etc.? Ergo, we should cut him some slack and give him more time...like, until he has completely gutted our capitalist infrastructure, infested our government agencies with assorted moles and Constitution termites, emasculated our military, and assorted other little "policy mistakes"? Is that it?

Why the politically correct squeamishness? Why the Marquis of Queensbury rules? This guy's a street fighter and we're supposed to put on a powdered wig and Seinfeld's puffy white shirt and ignore the fact he's kicking the country in the balls?

Sorry, Charles, you've lost me on this one. I came to this country to escape communism. I know what it looks like, how it starts, and what it will take to beat it. And being polite and tidy won't do it.

498 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #493 jcm

Avanti has read Marx or Lenin, let alone begin to understand them.

Didn't Lenin read a book on Marx? Maybe it was Lennon . . .

499 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:04:21am

re: #479 Charles


True...

With all the nutty thing Obama is doing. Everyone should spend time on that instead.

I'm so tired of reading about Obama Birth cert.

Jezzzz,

500 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:04:30am

re: #479 Charles

I could not possibly care less what the left thinks about what I write. They've already done their worst, smearing me all over the internet, calling me a Nazi and worse.

When I say I don't like the fringe ranting and Obama Derangement Syndrome, that's MY opinion, because I won't jump into the fever swamps and start acting like a kook. It has nothing at all to do with anyone's outside opinion.

And expressing my opinion is NOT telling anyone what are "acceptable talking points." You're free to be as deranged and kooky as you like. But I would hope that by expressing my opinion on the matter, maybe a few people will step back from the brink and act like rational adults instead of screaming children throwing a tantrum -- like the left has done for the past 8 years.

This is why you have a very popular blog that influences people and the rest of us do not. Very level headed.

Thank you.

501 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:04:48am

re: #325 Sharmuta

I highly recommend all Lizards read Conscience of a Conservative.

I just ordered it yesterday. Should be here later this week.

502 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:04:54am

re: #469 avanti

So is what you said the other day about Lizards being almost gleeful about the tanking economy the personal insult or is my reposting what yous said the personal insult? See my Nos. 395 and 405 for a refresher if it will help you.

503 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:05am

re: #479 Charles

Charles,

My post didn't even mention you as being a subject of my rant, yet you replied as such anyway.

Interesting.

504 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

BHO asked for and got the head of Private corporation to resign.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?

505 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #492 Occasional Reader

Don't. Sanity will prevail. Insanity is unsustainable.

Thank you, but it's too late for me.

506 badger1970  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:28am

re: #498 father_of_10

Didn't Lenin read a book on Marx? Maybe it was Lennon . . .

I can Imagine he did.

507 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #498 father_of_10

Didn't Lenin read a book on Marx? Maybe it was Lennon . . .

Mmmm... pie....

508 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:05:34am

re: #494 gadlaw

Oh look a name caller! Nice hat.

Thanks. The picture is from a production of Agatha Christie's "The Mousetrap." I was Paravicinni. Sort of a Orson Wells look.

You're hat looks like shit.

509 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #479 Charles

I could not possibly care less what the left thinks about what I write. They've already done their worst, smearing me all over the internet, calling me a Nazi and worse.


Just wondering ... what were you called that is worse than "nazi?" I always thought of that as the ultimate insult.

510 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #496 debutaunt


Yeah.. I can't remember the 4 hrs? 0-:

511 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:06:29am

re: #503 Lizard by the Bay

Charles,

My post didn't even mention you as being a subject of my rant, yet you replied as such anyway.

Interesting.

Oh, for Pete's sake. Could you possibly be any more ridiculous?

512 aggieann  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #389 Right mind left

They'll reVolvo around and around about it all..

Yukon only take these jokes so far.

513 KenJen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:01am

re: #371 ElChupacabra

Not this post in particular but I'm finding many recent posts here that are 180 degrees away from my conservative viewpoint. Is it possible to get unregistered?

I'm sure you can unregister. If you dont feel comfortable here why are you still logged on?

514 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #503 Lizard by the Bay

Your remarks made a nice template to bounce off.

I wish Charles would write the occasional essay.

515 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #497 THX-42

Excellent!

516 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:16am

re: #504 jcm

BHO asked for and got the head of Private corporation to resign.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?

And, he has been whipping up class-warfare. Don't forget about his good buddy, Cuomo, threatening to release the names of those AIG employees who received the bonuses.

517 yochanan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:23am

i am inclined to agree with both Charles Johnson and David Horowitz

i want to be the loyal opposition to President Obama and not go off on some O.D.S. PROBLEM it is fair to say the President will fellow a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC POLICY such as that that would come out of the left wing of the democrat party, the English labor party, the Israeli labor party or the Canadian liberal party. NONE OF THESE PARTIES ARE COMMUNIST & THE AMERICAN DEMOCRAT PARTY ISN'T COMMUNIST EITHER.

SO far his policies on Iraq and Afghanistan are much better than I expected, saying that i am worried about Iran though.

518 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:31am

re: #503 Lizard by the Bay

My post didn't even mention you as being a subject of my rant

Oh, please.

Are you familiar with the British expression "too clever by half"?

519 dhg4  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #268 Land Shark

I think an important point some people are missing is the way GW Bush campaigned as opposed to Obama. Obama spoke and campaigned as more of a centrist, at times using Ronald Reagan type language. We are now seeing what a scam that was. GW Bush didn't pretend he was something he wasn't. If anything, he turned out to be less of a conservative that I thought he was. But there wasn't such a big disconnect between Bush the candidate and Bush the President. In Obama's case, the disconnect between candidate and President is of monumental proportions.

Also, those of us who voted for W weren't as obviously blind and delusional as those who voted for Obama seem to be. I've never seen the kind of cult of personality of a US politician as I've seen of Obama. Not even Reagan. And we all know how despicable those who've benefited from cults of their personality have been through history. I'm just sayin'....

I do think that they - Bush and Obama - campaigned differently. However Gov. Bush did not campaign as Pres. Bush governed. Gov. Bush campaigned against nation building; but nation building was at the center of Pres. Bush's legacy - for better or for worse.

9/11 changed all that. And the complacency candidate Bush had was replaced with a sense of purpose. Failed countries could be breeding grounds for new enemies.

Perhaps if candidate Bush hadn't been such a skeptic of "nation building" there wouldn't have been such a backlash against him. Still I think the biggest cause of BDS was the War on Terror's implicit criticism of Clinton's complacency towards the Jihadi threat.

520 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #509 _RememberTonyC

A friend of Nixon? (-:

521 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:46am

re: #469 avanti

I have asked you several times to tell me how I insulted you. If I did, I'd certainly love to have the opportunity to reply. BTW, I envy you, one insult in two days, not years would be a milestone for me.

you bring it on yourself...I don't care about your explanation or reply....you were given every opportunity to reply AT THE TIME....you wilfully ignored me as you have others...you have no cred and that's a big thing around here...I'm no whiz kid but I'm friendly and honest...my motive to be here is to learn more about the world around me...you OTOH blab senselessly and annoy people with your veiled arrogance...talking points and rhetoric mean little around here...

522 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:07:49am

The problem with opposing the policies of the left is that its fundamental outlook is a negative emotion--guilt, self-hatred, fear, existential disillusionment. They are miserable people, don't know why, and therefore require a boogeyman to explain away all of their trials. Anyone opposing them is the next coming of Satan, be it GWB or Sarah Palin. The mindset is that of the perpetually rebellious teenager. Conservatives are reasonable--unfortunately reason does not work with the left. They draw us into their game because they will not argue based on anything but unfettered emotion.

523 J.S.  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #480 Sharmuta

Cut out that despair talk, Sharmuta! (snap out of it!) btw, I recall some post of yours (a while back) re: gender...(please read David Landes, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations" -- pages 412 to 415...if you haven't done so already,...)

524 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #463 Lizard by the Bay

Absolutely correct, sir! And one item that proves that is the view most liberals who know about LGF seem to share, that this place is a madhouse of racism and hate. In spite of Charles' considerable efforts distance this blog from such despicable points of view and maintain this place as a bastion of IC (Intelligent Conservatism) and factual information, you know what the average liberal thinks of this place. In their strange little world, Charles Johnson is to right of Attila The Hun.

525 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:50am
526 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:54am

re: #513 KenJen

I'm sure you can unregister. If you dont feel comfortable here why are you still logged on?

I think he should take a sledgehammer to his puter.

527 eon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #383 Wendya

I'm not particularly hopeful about the midterm elections. If you look back to the great depression, FDR was able to get his machine in place and steamroll the opposition using federal dollars and new deal programs. People kept voting for the democrats because they were hoping that federal money would end up in their pockets if they just kept voting and waiting. It took a court packing scheme and interference in the Senate majority leader pick to get the democrats to start pushing back.

Similar results are likely at the state level. Sunday morning, the radio show "Townhall Ohio" (on the Columbus ABC/Fox network affiliate) interviewed Ohio (D) Governor Ted Strickland.

Apparently, the questions were not pre-vetted.

Among the juicy ones was the interviewer asking the Governor why stimulus funds were being used to fund ongoing state programs such as the Ohio Card (equivalent of food stamps), Medicaid, etc. The interviewer asked the entirely reasonable question, "What happens when the stimulus money runs out?"

The Governor responded that it wouldn't. That this was just the first yearly installment of an ongoing, permanent funding of such things by the Federal government, with tax money. And in response to a follow-up question about "what about paying for it?", the Governor stated that taxes would be going up, at both Federal and State levels.

Ohio, I might point out, is the fourth most heavily-taxed state in the Union, while being 14th in total population. More taxes are not only unwise, they are unsupportable on this state's economic base. Yet our Governor is saying that we will be more heavily taxed, and that the "stimulus" is just the first installment of a perpetual-motion money machine courtesy of The One. And, of course, the U.S. taxpayer.

The only way for this to work is either a 100% tax on everybody's income, no matter what it is (and I'm including welfare, Workmen's Comp, pensions, disability, etc.)- or else the government just "prints" money and hands it to the states to spend.

The first method leads to economic collapse. The second method leads to... economic collapse.

Unless Governor Strickland is fantasizing- and I don't think he believes he is- our political leadership in Washington is fantasizing.

/And every one of them must have gotten an "F" in Econ 101

cheers

eon

528 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #520 Dustoff-507

A friend of Nixon? (-:


You're saying someone's has a friend who's a Dick?

529 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:09:47am

Well, I'm off to wait in line for my dole of Peoples' Daily Rations, if I can fight my way through the Obama Youth Brigades and keep them from stealing my gruel allotment. Later.

530 gadlaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. The picture is from a production of Agatha Christie's "The Mousetrap." I was Paravicinni. Sort of a Orson Wells look.

You're hat looks like shit.

I was kidding you of course. And my hat is on my own head. Imagine that. --Ohh, I'm soo wounded by someone who thinks a picture of a fat dude in a bowler is a better representation than himself. And he's probably right. But you're funny. I'm amused.

531 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:00am

re: #442 avanti

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually believe some of the stuff you post. How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ? I did manage to pass the military security tests, but at the time, my voting record was not held against me.

How would they know your voting record, since voting is secret? Or are you talking about primary votes?

532 opnion  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:14am

re: #486 Wendya

The left has been very effective in demonizing anyone who points out policies that are marxist or fascist in nature. They've tried over the years to equate them with racial slurs. That's absurd and I'm not playing that game.

True, any inquiry is branded as McCarthyism. IMO our friend Avanti is not a Communist & I do not allege that Obama is. However he was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, his literature & associatrions tend toward way far left. In his NPR interview he criticised the US Constitution for not dealing with 'Economic Justice"
At the very least he is a Leftist Radical & shoul be on University faculty maybe, not in the Oval Office.

533 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:41am
534 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #528 _RememberTonyC

You're saying someone's has a friend who's a Dick?


+++++++++++

LOL, you even think I'm going to touch that!

535 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:51am

I need more coffee, and I just can't bear all this sniping back and forth.

536 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #509 _RememberTonyC

Just wondering ... what were you called that is worse than "nazi?" I always thought of that as the ultimate insult.

Nazi is so overused and misunderstood, that the person slingin' it looks ridiculous and stupid. It's lost its meaning. Over 3/4 of the time they don't even know what one actually is.
Reference Olberminnion.

537 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:32am

re: #528 _RememberTonyC

You're saying someone's has a friend who's a Dick?

How said they are friends with Avanti?

538 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:38am

re: #535 Dianna

I need more coffee, and I just can't bear all this sniping back and forth.

Snipe hunting?

/here snipe, here snipe...

539 johnnyreb  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:43am

re: #504 jcm

BHO asked for and got the head of Private corporation to resign.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?


I would say that he really wasn't asked, it was more of a thinly veiled threat.

Say what you will, that man had no options in this.

540 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:44am

re: #474 unreconstructed rebel

I never said Obama was running against Bush. But most of Obama's followers sure seem to think he was. Too many I've spoken to said they voted for Obama because they hated Bush so much. That's what I said.

541 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #503 Lizard by the Bay
Interesting? Not really. It seemed to me that you were talking about Charles. And I disagree with you on that. I don't think Charles is telling us what to say or not to say, other than, as usual, he doesn't accept racial comments or homophobic or genocidal or - well you know.

542 aggieann  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #535 Dianna

I need more coffee, and I just can't bear all this sniping back and forth.


I know. Why Camry we all just get along?

543 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #471 gadlaw

You didn't say that, just a bunch of people happy to name call, gang up and act the mob. You were right in your assessment - a small group of high post folks who think they run the asylum. I agree, the 'commie' label isn't one that has much water any longer. Communists were defeated by the weight of their own fail and the use of the 'commie' slur is just some folks wishing for the 'good old days' of the Red Scare. They call you a peeing dog - they seem to be a bunch of yipping taco bell dogs.

Thanks, but now you're a Commie to. :)

544 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #540 Land Shark

I never said Obama was running against Bush. But most of Obama's followers sure seem to think he was. Too many I've spoken to said they voted for Obama because they hated Bush so much. That's what I said.

Obama even talked like he was running against Bush.

545 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:12:31am

re: #525 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for the Potter analogy. They really are such great books with many parallels we can apply to our politics. Even the wizarding msm is a bunch of bastards. I just don't see how we get people to stop wanting to be controlled. Perhaps enough of a taste of it will wake them up, but I'm skeptical.

546 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:12:31am

re: #538 Ward Cleaver


WARD! (-:

547 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:03am

re: #541 realwest

Hey buddy.. how ya doing.

548 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:19am

re: #480 Sharmuta

And this is why I've fallen into despair. The right doesn't care, OR. Many WANT to behave this way. They don't want to think, they want to react, they want to allow their emotions to dictate. And if you tell them to get a grip, they get reactionary about that too. How dare we tell them to get a grip! And it's sadly all justified with logical fallacies on their part. This is beyond sad,

How true. It has really started to hit home with me since about Thursday and hit a peak (for me) with the "Anti-Earth Hour" and Cape Coral stuff. There are fewer and fewer people here willing to say "Let's get to work fixing the GOP from within".

I really have no answers for people who say "the left did it for 8 years". If that is where their compass is oriented, then logic has already abandoned them.

549 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:21am

re: #533 buzzsawmonkey

Life is gruel, isn't it? And yet we want so mush more.

BO will hash it out for us

550 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:38am

re: #547 Dustoff-507 Hey my friend, doing ok, hope you are too! Didja get my e-mails from last night?

551 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:44am

re: #522 JohnAdams

what is the breed of dog in your avitar?
it is so cute. looks like an english bulldog, mastiff mix.

552 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:13:45am

re: #536 SasquatchOnSteroids

Nazi is so overused and misunderstood, that the person slingin' it looks ridiculous and stupid. It's lost its meaning. Over 3/4 of the time they don't even know what one actually is.
Reference Olberminnion.

Agreed ... the evil associated with that word has been watered down enormously. So has "holocaust," as in the holocaust in gaza, etc.

553 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:14:00am

re: #546 Dustoff-507

WARD! (-:

J.D.! Dustoff-507!

554 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:14:34am

re: #539 johnnyreb

I would say that he really wasn't asked, it was more of a thinly veiled threat.

Say what you will, that man had no options in this.

of course he did...he could have politely declined...how would BO explain that?...

555 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:14:51am

re: #550 realwest


I sure did buddy... I'm still kind of out of it..... My head looks like someone to a 4x4 to me. 0-:

556 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:14:59am

re: #552 _RememberTonyC

Agreed ... the evil associated with that word has been watered down enormously. So has "holocaust," as in the holocaust in gaza, etc.

Ding !

557 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:11am

re: #537 Erik The Red

How said they are friends with Avanti?

in baseball, they'd say I threw you a "hanging curveball" and you got good wood on it.

558 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #553 Ward Cleaver


LOL, ok you made my morning

559 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #535 Dianna

I need more coffee, and I just can't bear all this sniping back and forth.

i've got fresh pot going. help yourself, Dianna.

560 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:15am

Horowitz is correct. In the end, what will matter is not the inside baseball arguments, conspiracy theories, not birth certificates.

The alternative to this, is a better alternative.

That is not to say I am not concerned seeing a Che flag flying in a campaign office, security measures foregone on credit card contributions, or spreading the wealth.

Throwing in with the spirit of truthers will get clear thinking people zilch.

561 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:34am
Horowitz is on the mark when he says way too many on the right are now suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Well said Charles. Many on the right are making themselves look like a bunch of freaks and weirdos right now. That's not going to help the Republican party win the next election.

562 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:37am

re: #543 avanti

Thanks, but now you're a Commie to. :)

Hey jerk, no one called him a commie. And the proper use of the word is "too."

Your response is typical of you're dishonest nature. There is NOTHING that "gadlaw" has posted on LGF that would suggest socialist or communist tendencies or thinking (in contract to your posts).

Yet, you make an unfounded statement, a dishonest statement, in order to bolster your position.

Do you understand that?

563 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:44am

re: #548 Bloodnok

How true. It has really started to hit home with me since about Thursday and hit a peak (for me) with the "Anti-Earth Hour" and Cape Coral stuff. There are fewer and fewer people here willing to say "Let's get to work fixing the GOP from within".

I really have no answers for people who say "the left did it for 8 years". If that is where their compass is oriented, then logic has already abandoned them.

I'm really at a loss. Try to come up with some ideas, and they get shot down too.

564 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:10am

re: #555 Dustoff-507

I sure did buddy... I'm still kind of out of it..... My head looks like someone to a 4x4 to me. 0-:

So you look like a troll that Mandy took a clue by 4 to?
Man..that's gotta hurt..
:)

565 johnnyreb  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:15am

re: #544 Ward Cleaver

Obama even talked like he was running against Bush.

I would wager a whole bunch of people actually did think he was running against Bush, I know some of the letter to the editor in my local paper actually thought that.

566 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:17am

re: #489 AMER1CAN

Some folks tried to say in the lead up to the election that if we didn't vote for Obama then we are racist. Now, which syndrome does that fall under exactly?

I like this idea of fighting like noblemen. Perhaps we should break out the white gloves and see what effect a slap across the cheek has.

That's so...so French....

567 yochanan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:51am

words like NAZI, AND COMMIE have real meanings and I will not hesitate to oppose those who misuse them.

NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT WAS EITHER A NAZI OR A COMMIE.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL HUGO C., CASTRO, WARD CHURCHILL OR A.N.S.W.E.R COMMIES YOU WOULD BE RIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE

If you want to call President Obama a commie you would be wrong at most you could call him a social democrat like the previous British P.M. whom many in here liked because of his position on Iraq war.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL STORM FRONT, AL QUADA, HAMAS FASCIST YOU WOULD BE RIGHT

If you call President Bush a FASCIST like the left did so often you would be just as wrong as those who call President Obama a commie.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OPPOSING ANY POLICY OF ANY POTUS but please stick to the policies and no name calling.

568 sjmiller  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:55am

I am proud to say that I have Obama derangement syndrome; however, I am still confused what my derangement is -- everything that he is implementing is in direct affiliation of the Communist Manifesto. As a Patriot of this country, it is not only my right, but my obligation to disagree and fight the good fight to protect my liberties and abide to the U.S. Constitution, since our Federal Government is not.

569 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:18am

re: #442 avanti

How does one prove they are not a Communist these days ?

Do you believe a powerful government run by a committee of experts can make better decisions than individuals and therefore should control businesses and communities for the betterment of all?

570 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #543 avanti

How about answering my Nos. 395 and 405? I'M TURNING BLUE.

571 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:31am
572 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:31am

re: #564 HoosierHoops


OK you.... what is this. Smack Dustoff day. To late, that happened Friday night. (-:

573 eon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #566 Macker

That's so...so French....

Only if the sequel is with epees.

cheers

eon

574 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:44am

re: #489 AMER1CAN

Some folks tried to say in the lead up to the election that if we didn't vote for Obama then we are racist. Now, which syndrome does that fall under exactly?

I like this idea of fighting like noblemen. Perhaps we should break out the white gloves and see what effect a slap across the cheek has.

Write a letter and maybe even toss in a few harsh words. Election winner every time.

575 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:47am

re: #292 Dustoff-507

I wonder when the union boss at GM will quit? He's part of this mess too.

Yet I know better.

Somehow that giant part of the problem goes unnoticed.

576 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:04am

re: #570 MandyManners

How about answering my Nos. 395 and 405? I'M TURNING BLUE.

Breath in and out. In and out. 1 2 3......

577 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:10am

re: #551 nyc redneck

what is the breed of dog in your avitar?
it is so cute. looks like an english bulldog, mastiff mix.

I was lookin' for a bulldog, but the more I look at it I believe it's a mastiff pup. I like to freshen up my avatar from time to time, so he'll only be up there for a while.

578 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #540 Land Shark

I never said Obama was running against Bush. But most of Obama's followers sure seem to think he was. Too many I've spoken to said they voted for Obama because they hated Bush so much. That's what I said.

Pretty stupid what people do when they become vengeful. I think history would like to teach us is that [pick your hated politician]DS does not often yield happy results at the next election. After all, Illinoisans, anxious to clean up after an republican, wound up with Blagojevich.

A goodly portion of the BDS crowd is in for a nasty shock when Obama and the Dems monetize all this stimulation borrowing.

579 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:23am

Rush is having a good morning, of course ...

580 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #570 MandyManners

How about answering my Nos. 395 and 405? I'M TURNING BLUE.

You're going to need a smurfy new avatar.

581 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:27am

re: #563 Sharmuta

{Sharmuta}

582 jorline  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:32am

re: #341 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Only on Wednesdays.

Figures...since it's hump day!

583 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:38am

the smartest Republican I have seen so far is Judd Gregg. he had a chance to serve with Obama's cabinet, but declined for all the right reasons. But a New Englander won't be able to fight the battle alone. People need to start getting behind Gregg as he seems a reasonable and competent guy.

584 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:38am

Rosa sat so Martin could walk.

Martin walked so Obama could run.

Obama ran so our children could PAY.

585 yochanan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #538 Ward Cleaver

Snipe hunting?

/here snipe, here snipe...

ward do you need a profesional snipe bag?

586 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:26am

re: #575 debutaunt


You know it..... I see the stock market is NOT liking Obama's idea's

587 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:41am

re: #502 MandyManners

So is what you said the other day about Lizards being almost gleeful about the tanking economy the personal insult or is my reposting what yous said the personal insult? See my Nos. 395 and 405 for a refresher if it will help you.

Mandy, I said it, and meant it about some lizards. If you review the posts, you'd see a negative comment about BHO every time the market when down, and silence when it went up. Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over, imagine if I'd said you were a condom, even a new one.

588 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:55am

re: #549 albusteve

BO will hash it out for us

But any way you slice it, it will still be a crap sandwich.

589 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #581 scottishbuzzsaw

Thanks, {Scotti}

590 eon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #569 NukeAtomrod

Do you believe a powerful government run by a committee of experts can make better decisions than individuals and therefore should control businesses and communities for the betterment of all?

And that, in fact, is the definition of "technocracy". (The key word being "experts", in the specific fields.)

Proving that in politics, definitions are the only things slipperier than politicians- of any stripe.

cheers

eon

591 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #568 sjmiller

I am proud to say that I have Obama derangement syndrome; however, I am still confused what my derangement is -- everything that he is implementing is in direct affiliation of the Communist Manifesto. As a Patriot of this country, it is not only my right, but my obligation to disagree and fight the good fight to protect my liberties and abide to the U.S. Constitution, since our Federal Government is not.

Me too.

592 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #587 avanti


Well, just maybe many of us know that it won't stay up. Like say today. His econ idea's are wrecking our 401K.

593 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #563 Sharmuta

I'm really at a loss. Try to come up with some ideas, and they get shot down too.

sadly at the moment the GOP has no slam dunk alternatives except a budget with no numbers which is pretty weak...the only other plan will be to play each situation when it comes up with firm resolution and solidarity...wait for the openings to present themselves and then strike...maybe not the best strategy but it offers some hope imo of course

594 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #586 Dustoff-507

You know it..... I see the stock market is NOT liking Obama's idea'saction's

595 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #558 Dustoff-507

LOL, ok you made my morning

Where is J.D., anyway? BTW, the whole J.D.!/Ward! thing goes back to a greeting in the Lounge, a couple of years ago.

596 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:50am

re: #594 unreconstructed rebel


That too.

597 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:51am

I'm chiming in a bit late here but let me add one observation.

As Charles has documented on many occasions, the GOP is slowly being hijacked by the radical Christian Right movement. Charles has demonstrated time and time again that many of these folks have already abandoned reason for an agenda. I would postulate that this is what is leading them down the ODS road. Neither Young Earth Creationism, the Dominionist Movement or ODS is a logical or reasoned approach to government or political opposition. A huge GOP problem is spilling over into otherwise rational people and as Horowitz points out, seems to be growing. My suggestion to the GOP leadership and faithful is to divorce themselves from these people ASAP. Nothing will be gained in terms of conservativism if the entire movement is marginalized by a bunch of kooks. The left has perfected the art of kookism, I pray that the conservative right does not follow their lead and end up as nothing more than a washed up DailyKosesque movement. We don't need the equivalent of Olberman and Matthews on our side what we need are more more people like Horowitz and Charles.

Keep up the good work Charles, there is still a bastion of rational thought out there. Don't lose heart.

598 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:10am

re: #572 Dustoff-507

OK you.... what is this. Smack Dustoff day. To late, that happened Friday night. (-:

Hope you get better..When I was 6 yrs' old i tied a bathtowel around me as a cape and dove head first off of a trash can so sure i was superman..Turns out..I'm not...Man I can still feel the crack of my head on the driveway..

599 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #585 yochanan

ward do you need a profesional snipe bag?

Yes, and a stick, too.

600 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:18am

Well y'all it's been interesting as usual, but I'm outta here now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

601 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:22am

re: #587 avanti

Mandy, I said it, and meant it about some lizards. If you review the posts, you'd see a negative comment about BHO every time the market when down, and silence when it went up. Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over, imagine if I'd said you were a condom, even a new one.

I am breaking my GAZE rule of you this once.

If you called 2M A Condom/used Condom she would come back at you so hard you would wake up in the year 2013(to a new President).

All you do is piss and whine.

602 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:25am

Here are some folks having a good laugh about Glenn Beck's ridiculous on-screen crying:

603 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:32am

re: #575 debutaunt

Somehow that giant part of the problem goes unnoticed.

And the asscracks in Congress who arbitrarily pass new CAFE standards without consulting the industry leaders first.

604 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #598 HoosierHoops

Hope you get better..When I was 6 yrs' old i tied a bathtowel around me as a cape and dove head first off of a trash can so sure i was superman..Turns out..I'm not...Man I can still feel the crack of my head on the driveway..

Ouch! LOL!

605 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:45am

re: #587 avanti

Mandy, I said it, and meant it about some lizards. If you review the posts, you'd see a negative comment about BHO every time the market when down, and silence when it went up. Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over, imagine if I'd said you were a condom, even a new one.

That's right, because any market gain last week was because Obama DIDN'T MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THINGS. It went up because it moved on it's own, based on the factors that have moved the stock market for years.

Don't you see the trends. Obama speaks (or someone in his administration speaks) and the stock market tanks.

He shuts up, or doesn't make any new recommendations, suggesting, pronouncements and just spends the weeks making dumb remarks on talk show, the market responds on it's own, moving up, moving down, but not taking a dive.

You don't owe me a penny for the financial advice.

Next question

606 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #570 MandyManners

How about answering my Nos. 395 and 405? I'M TURNING BLUE.

Many, you need to chill, I'm one leftie in a right wing room, so many insults, and only one keyboard.

607 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:57am

Foosball is The Devil !

608 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #559 nyc redneck

i've got fresh pot going. help yourself, Dianna.

Thanks.

It's a truly wonderful substance.

609 yesandno  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:00am

We do need altermative policies for what is happening.
And I have noted at home that I was afraid I was coming down with ODS. Seems like the attacks are coming from all sides on what I believe, how I have lived.

Our daughter spoke with her govenment teacher from last semester. The teacher asked where she was going to college. In that discussion our daugther said that her college account had taken a real hit in the market fall. The liberal teacher stated that she should have not trusted her money to a bunch of fat cats on Wall Steet. Tough, I guess.

So in light of the fact I don't want to have a full blown case of ODS and run to school and cluex4 the teacher, I have come up with various solutions that I think will help the current problems we face in the US:

KEEP THE DARN GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY BUSINESS, OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS, OUT OF BUSINESS ITSELF. FIRE THEM ALL IN 2010.

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

610 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:07am

re: #590 eon

And that, in fact, is the definition of "technocracy". (The key word being "experts", in the specific fields.)

Proving that in politics, definitions are the only things slipperier than politicians- of any stripe.

cheers

eon

Except for semantics, I fail to see the ideological difference.

611 phoenixgirl  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:13am

re: #492 Occasional Reader

Don't. Sanity will prevail. Insanity is unsustainable.

truth will out

612 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #416 Lizard by the Bay

It doesn't matter how restrained or how over the top we are, because in the end we will still be branded as fringe extremists by the MSM, by educators, even by liberal pols themselves.

I agree, but we should still do our best to keep our criticism in check.
Calling Obama Hitler or the anti-Christ is not helpful, it's self-defeating and self-indulgent. The left never did itself any favors when they called Bush Hitler. They made themselves look like idiots.

613 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:55am

re: #603 JohnAdams

And the asscracks in Congress who arbitrarily pass new CAFE standards without consulting the industry leaders first.

Peter De Lorenzo calls them the "finger snap" types. Just snap their fingers and make gas mileage increase magically.

614 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:55am

re: #595 Ward Cleaver


JD as in Jack D.

None for me right now Doc say's I have to just lay around and watch TV...
Something I hate doing. )-:

That and take pain pills.

615 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:59am

re: #588 father_of_10

But any way you slice it, it will still be a crap sandwich.

I'd grill him if I could...what a ham, he's full of bologna

616 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:04am

re: #601 Erik The Red

I am breaking my GAZE rule of you this once.

If you called 2M A Condom/used Condom she would come back at you so hard you would wake up in the year 2013(to a new President).

All you do is piss and whine.

Most good socialist do.

617 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:16am
618 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:58am

re: #563 Sharmuta

I'm really at a loss. Try to come up with some ideas, and they get shot down too.

And watch as the Republicans in power continue to shoot themselves in both feet. I am starting to believe that when I do get to NH the party will say "You know we don't see a problem with promoting candidates who support ID". I am not sure the party wants help. They're certainly not showing any signs of wanting to change.

619 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:01am

When I think on the issues of europe, I see socialism as the root cause of their ills. Big government telling them what to do, what they can say, and keeping thier economies in such a state that they had to import cheap labor that is now threatening the entire continent, and birth rates have declined among the natives because no one can afford a large family thanks to the tax burden.

Now that socialism is taking root here, and those that love the Constitution seem to somehow think that behaving like morons is going to roll it back. Well- it's not. And until the right figures out how to communicate real conservative principles and get back into the halls of power so we can turn the tide against socialism, we will continue this ghastly slide. Those behaving like morons only help protect the socialism they think they're railing against.

620 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:14am

re: #598 HoosierHoops


OUCH...

The score goes like this.

Large table (1)

Dustoff (0)

621 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:42am

Obama has said the companies will have to go without profits.
That is "surplus value" in Marxism.

Obama has talked directly of redistributing wealth.
Marxism, from each according to their ability too each according to their need.

Obama has fomented class warfare, AIG, Bankerss and etc...
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, Marx, Communist Manifesto.

Obama openly sought out mentors and associated with Marxists his entire adult life.

What other conclusion should I draw?

622 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:49am

re: #517 yochanan

i am inclined to agree with both Charles Johnson and David Horowitz

i want to be the loyal opposition to President Obama and not go off on some O.D.S. PROBLEM it is fair to say the President will fellow a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC POLICY such as that that would come out of the left wing of the democrat party, the English labor party, the Israeli labor party or the Canadian liberal party. NONE OF THESE PARTIES ARE COMMUNIST & THE AMERICAN DEMOCRAT PARTY ISN'T COMMUNIST EITHER.

SO far his policies on Iraq and Afghanistan are much better than I expected, saying that i am worried about Iran though.

America ultimately is an idea. And if I could distill it down to one essential fundamental it would be the idea of equality of opportunity.
Communism and socialism, in all their manifestations, are an idea as well. And I would distill their idea down to one essential fundamental - equality of outcome.
The difference between those two words - opportunity and outcome - is measured in scores of millions dead in the last century.
Today's Democrat party is not the party of JFK, Hubert Humphrey, Scoop Jackson, Sam Nunn or Zell Miller. Those were all honorable men and served America well. It has become a party that embraces the idea of equality of outcome and as such has much more in common with the hated and destructive policies of communism/socialism than with the ideas of the Founders.
No, the Democrats do not have secret membership cards identifying them as members of the CPUSA. But their ideas are dangerous and need to be fought.

623 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:50am

Afternoon everyone!

Finished Burton Fulsom Jr's terrific book "New Deal or Raw Deal" over the weekend. The final chapter "The New Deal and Repercussions for Today's Economy" covers policies and programs instituted during the Great Depression that are still with us today, and what's happened as a result. The topics include:

Minimum wage
Social Security
Labor unions
Farm subsidies
AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Tariffs
Federal Reserve
FDIC
SEC
Taxes
Character (of the president)

It's a great chapter (even if you don't have time to read the whole book) and it certainly gave me a yardstick with which to view policies and programs being proposed today. As with those mentioned above, we'll likely have to live with these new programs forever too.

And that worries me.

624 Fred72  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

Name me another administration that suggested a private citizen step down from his/her job in return for federal support?

Sorry, I ignored your question. Apologies if it was meant to be rhetorical.

Last August-September, when the Bush administration took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they installed new people to run both. The Federal Housing Finance Agency installed John Koskinen and David Moffett to run Freddie Mac, and Phil Laskawy and Herb Allison to run Fannie Mae.

In September of last year, Robert Willumstad lost his job running AIG in connection with the bailout. This was also during the Bush administration.

Again, apologies if your question was meant to be rhetorical -- I thought you might like some background. The GM firing-for-cash deal isn't new; it follows the trend set back when the Bush team was running things.

625 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:01am

re: #597 Jetpilot1101

I'm chiming in a bit late here but let me add one observation.

As Charles has documented on many occasions, the GOP is slowly being hijacked by the radical Christian Right movement. Charles has demonstrated time and time again that many of these folks have already abandoned reason for an agenda. I would postulate that this is what is leading them down the ODS road. Neither Young Earth Creationism, the Dominionist Movement or ODS is a logical or reasoned approach to government or political opposition. A huge GOP problem is spilling over into otherwise rational people and as Horowitz points out, seems to be growing. My suggestion to the GOP leadership and faithful is to divorce themselves from these people ASAP. Nothing will be gained in terms of conservativism if the entire movement is marginalized by a bunch of kooks. The left has perfected the art of kookism, I pray that the conservative right does not follow their lead and end up as nothing more than a washed up DailyKosesque movement. We don't need the equivalent of Olberman and Matthews on our side what we need are more more people like Horowitz and Charles.

Keep up the good work Charles, there is still a bastion of rational thought out there. Don't lose heart.

+1776!

626 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:12am

Hey y'all - another piece of good news from an e-mail I just received:

"Thank you very much for your e-mail regarding Ayers visit to Naperville North High School. I too have been concerned about this event since learning of it last week, and have been working on it since. I want to advise you that this event has been canceled. A formal announcement will follow later today via Talk 203.

Jackie Romberg
District 203 Board of Education"

627 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #621 jcm

Obama has said the companies will have to go without profits.
That is "surplus value" in Marxism.

Obama has talked directly of redistributing wealth.
Marxism, from each according to their ability too each according to their need.

Obama has fomented class warfare, AIG, Bankerss and etc...
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, Marx, Communist Manifesto.

Obama openly sought out mentors and associated with Marxists his entire adult life.

What other conclusion should I draw?

The same ones I do.

628 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #621 jcm


Hmmmmm, is Boeing next?

629 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:46am

FREE THE WEED!

Obama's Marijuana Buzz Kill

Via HotAir

630 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:28:32am

re: #607 SasquatchOnSteroids

Foosball is The Devil !

I was recruited for a professional team, but the night before I signed the contract I had an accident and came down with Foosball Pinky ending my career before it started.

631 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #626 realwest

"SWEET"....

632 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #587 avanti

Mandy, I said it, and meant it about some lizards. If you review the posts, you'd see a negative comment about BHO every time the market when down, and silence when it went up. Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over, imagine if I'd said you were a condom, even a new one.

Making a negative comment about FCBBHO as the market goes down does NOT EQUAL GLEE! "Glee" means people are HAPPY about the market tanking. NO ONE HERE IS HAPPY ABOUT IT. We're seeing our nation being shoved down the path toward tryanny.

I don't understand this part "Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over". Would you please tidy it up?

633 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:07am

re: #628 Dustoff-507

Hmmmmm, is Boeing next?

It's a monopoly! No one else in the US makes airliners!

634 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:10am
635 WindHorse  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:26am

Bickering (by Ken Nordine)

636 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:49am
637 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:51am
638 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:53am

re: #633 jcm


Bingo. )-:

639 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:29:57am

re: #613 Ward Cleaver

Peter De Lorenzo calls them the "finger snap" types. Just snap their fingers and make gas mileage increase magically.

And it wasn't just the U.S. Congress. Really it was the California contingent which placed these ridiculous standards on fuel mileage. The market in that state is so huge that all the big autos had to meet it.

640 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #618 Bloodnok

And watch as the Republicans in power continue to shoot themselves in both feet. I am starting to believe that when I do get to NH the party will say "You know we don't see a problem with promoting candidates who support ID". I am not sure the party wants help. They're certainly not showing any signs of wanting to change.

Until they realize that it is socialist republicans that have lost us power, nothing is going to change.

641 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:30:54am

re: #631 Dustoff-507
Thankew! However, several other LGFers, notably Racer X and I believe Wishing also wrote to the Board and should share any credit for this turn around.
Actually I'm mistaken, it's not "credit" - it's simply a bunch of folks who managed to educate the educators.

642 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #601 Erik The Red

I am breaking my GAZE rule of you this once.

If you called 2M A Condom/used Condom she would come back at you so hard you would wake up in the year 2013(to a new President).

All you do is piss and whine.

Sorry, I don't see how getting into a back and forth insult pissing contest helps the discussion. I'd rather not have the personal attacks at all, but if they come, I'm not in the mood to waste a lot of bandwidth in name calling.
Besides, you must know by now that I could give a crap about what a blogger on the net thinks of me personally, other then the minor disruption of the subject at hand.

643 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:12am

re: #640 Sharmuta

Until they realize that it is socialist republicans that have lost us power, nothing is going to change.

The GOP is going to have to put up with me anyway, then. :)

644 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:17am

re: #602 Jimmah

Here are some folks having a good laugh about Glenn Beck's ridiculous on-screen crying:


Why are you posting a clip from The Young Turks Channel to slime Beck?

645 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #624 Fred72

Sorry, I ignored your question. Apologies if it was meant to be rhetorical.

Last August-September, when the Bush administration took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they installed new people to run both. The Federal Housing Finance Agency installed John Koskinen and David Moffett to run Freddie Mac, and Phil Laskawy and Herb Allison to run Fannie Mae.

In September of last year, Robert Willumstad lost his job running AIG in connection with the bailout. This was also during the Bush administration.

Again, apologies if your question was meant to be rhetorical -- I thought you might like some background. The GM firing-for-cash deal isn't new; it follows the trend set back when the Bush team was running things.

Freddie and Fannie are already government entities. THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE. So what's your point?

GM is a private company - not a wholly owned subsidiary of the government.

obama installed Edward Liddy as CEO of AIG.

646 Wendya  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #597 Jetpilot1101

I'm chiming in a bit late here but let me add one observation.

As Charles has documented on many occasions, the GOP is slowly being hijacked by the radical Christian Right movement.

I have been hearing this for the last 20 years. If anything, Christianity has been further marginalized in government than in any time in our history. You push people hard enough and they eventually push back. It's not surprising to see people upset when governments try to wipe out any mention of Christianity (specifically). It's stupid and its counterproductive and it does create a backlash. Look at society today and honestly tell me those evil chirstians are taking over your life and forcing you to worship.

647 Dustoff-507  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:31:43am

OK all. Time to go lie down for a bit. Feeling a little shaky.

Have fun all.

C-ya later.

648 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:01am

re: #619 Sharmuta

When I think on the issues of europe, I see socialism as the root cause of their ills. Big government telling them what to do, what they can say, and keeping thier economies in such a state that they had to import cheap labor that is now threatening the entire continent, and birth rates have declined among the natives because no one can afford a large family thanks to the tax burden.

Now that socialism is taking root here, and those that love the Constitution seem to somehow think that behaving like morons is going to roll it back. Well- it's not. And until the right figures out how to communicate real conservative principles and get back into the halls of power so we can turn the tide against socialism, we will continue this ghastly slide. Those behaving like morons only help protect the socialism they think they're railing against.

Those demonstrations in Europe would be hilarious if they weren't so frightening. This is the kind of citizenry that socialism creates--stupid, angry, entitled.

649 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:06am

bbl

650 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:40am

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

I prefer my air unlined, thank you.

FREE THE AIR!

651 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:46am

re: #629 Ben Hur

FREE THE WEED!

Obama's Marijuana Buzz Kill

Via HotAir

At least, for now, Obama doesn't want a society of burnouts.

652 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:54am

I believe the main point Horowitz and Charles are trying to say is don't let the legitimate concern and opposition to Obama's policies turn you into a frothing at the mouth loon like so many BDS sufferer's are. Too many BDS sufferers did nothing but rant and rave in the most hysterical fashion without being factual. And I agree with that point. Comparisons of Obama to Stalin and other Communist dictators aren't that logical or factual at this point. And over the top.

But I don't see either how any conservative who's paying close attention to Obama, what he says and does and what his background is, can be anything but seriously concerned, if not outright scared, of what the next 4 years at least have in store for our nation.

653 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:55am

re: #647 Dustoff-507

OK all. Time to go lie down for a bit. Feeling a little shaky.

Have fun all.

C-ya later.

Take care!

654 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:15am

*ATLAS SHRUGS SPECIAL UPDATE*

OBANA AND HIS NIMIONS BROKE INTO WHITEHOUSE THROUGH SECRET TUNNAL IN 2008 AND SEKRITLY WRECKED THE ECONOMY.

4 rolls of whitehouse toilet paper found also found missing FOLLOWING DASTARDLY ATTACK ON OUR NATION!//

655 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:24am

Ya know, if Obama would espouse private property ownership, if he would promote freedom, smaller government and try to instill positive business values of profit and efficiency, if he would demand that we do all we can to protect ourselves from our enemies, then I would certainly support him and want him to succeed. However, when he actively promotes the opposite, then how can I want him to succeed? When his success as president hurts me, I can't support him or his success. That is what I mean when I say I want him to fail.

656 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:26am

re: #632 MandyManners

Making a negative comment about FCBBHO as the market goes down does NOT EQUAL GLEE! "Glee" means people are HAPPY about the market tanking. NO ONE HERE IS HAPPY ABOUT IT. We're seeing our nation being shoved down the path toward tryanny.

I don't understand this part "Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over". Would you please tidy it up?

I don't recall any glee here or anywhere else during the economy meltdown..
We watched in shock and helplessness as trillions of dollars vanished into thin air..Criticism of Obama was and still is in order..That's not Fucking Glee!

657 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:26am

rre: #619 Sharmuta

When I think on the issues of europe, I see socialism as the root cause of their ills. Big government telling them what to do, what they can say, and keeping thier economies in such a state that they had to import cheap labor that is now threatening the entire continent, and birth rates have declined among the natives because no one can afford a large family thanks to the tax burden.

Now that socialism is taking root here, and those that love the Constitution seem to somehow think that behaving like morons is going to roll it back. Well- it's not. And until the right figures out how to communicate real conservative principles and get back into the halls of power so we can turn the tide against socialism, we will continue this ghastly slide. Those behaving like morons only help protect the socialism they think they're railing against.

I must beg to differ about this bit, Sharmuta. You know that the MFM love to highlight any nuts on the Right. They're a very small and vocal minority.

658 Macker  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #633 jcm

It's a monopoly! No one else in the US makes airliners!

And I, for one, do not want to see a return of the DC-10/MD-11. What a suck-shit plane!

659 realwest  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #636 Ben Hur
Well hell Ben, it's from the AP - what did you expect?

660 father_of_10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:54am

re: #633 jcm

It's a monopoly! No one else in the US makes airliners!

But who makes eyeliners?

661 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:57am

re: #642 avanti

Sorry, I don't see how getting into a back and forth insult pissing contest helps the discussion. I'd rather not have the personal attacks at all, but if they come, I'm not in the mood to waste a lot of bandwidth in name calling.
Besides, you must know by now that I could give a crap about what a blogger on the net thinks of me personally, other then the minor disruption of the subject at hand.

So tiresome.

662 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:02am

Those who see their lives as spoiled and wasted crave equality and fraternity more than they do freedom. If they clamor for freedom , it is but freedom to establish equality and uniformity. The passion for equality is partly a passion for anonymity: to be one thread of the many which make up a tunic; one thread not distinguishable from the others. No one can then point us out, measure us against others and expose our inferiority.

They who clamor loudest for freedom are often the ones least likely to be happy in a free society. The frustrated, oppressed by their shortcomings, blame their failure on existing restraints. Actually their innermost desire is for an end to the "free for all." They want to eliminate free competition and the ruthless testing to which the individual is continually subjected in a free society.

Where freedom is real, equality is the passion of the masses. Where equality is real, freedom is the passion of a small minority.

~Eric Hoffer, The True Believer

663 Wendya  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:07am

re: #612 FrogMarch

The left never did itself any favors when they called Bush Hitler. They made themselves look like idiots.

While winning the house, senate and white house.

Now that doesn't mean I in any way advocate that kind of nonsense but the people who say protests are ineffective, demonizing your opponent isn't effective, must be living in an alternate universe where those tactics weren't applied damned near universally by the left in the last 4 years to great effect.

664 CharlieBravo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:10am

re: #609 yesandno

"KEEP THE DARN GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY BUSINESS, OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS, OUT OF BUSINESS ITSELF. FIRE THEM ALL IN 2010.

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!"

Couldn't agree more. Term Limits For All!

665 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:24am

I returned to LGF after not posting for quite a while a few weeks ago. This upding-downding thing was new. IMHO, it encourages posters to insult one another and Obama or pick-your-Democrat. Basing that opinion on just my observations over the last 2 or 3 weeks I've noticed on several occasions, a pack mentality that will gang up on one individual and unmercifully hector them until they leave. The most inventive(and admittedly funny) insults get the most updings. Whatever happened to the GAZE option? I have to say that I'm unaware of how bothersome these people were because I usually come into it with the insults in full swing and I don't bother to read up. Perhaps they needed to be run off, I don't know. I do know that it gets boring reading the same back and forth insults and does look a little ridiculous sometimes. Some people need to develop thicker skins.

Someone recently suggested a "top 100" upding and "top 100" downding list. This would be interesting and would disprove or prove my observations. I think most of the regular posters are interesting and I enjoy reading their input. Some very insightful thoughts are posted here and I will continue to come back. I just thought it worth mentioning and see if anyone else noticed a change after the dings started.

666 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:29am

re: #654 Jimmah

*ATLAS SHRUGS SPECIAL UPDATE*

OBANA AND HIS NIMIONS BROKE INTO WHITEHOUSE THROUGH SECRET TUNNAL IN 2008 AND SEKRITLY WRECKED THE ECONOMY.

4 rolls of whitehouse toilet paper found also found missing FOLLOWING DASTARDLY ATTACK ON OUR NATION!//

Did they steel the Nirth football?

667 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:31am

re: #624 Fred72

Sorry, I ignored your question. Apologies if it was meant to be rhetorical.

Last August-September, when the Bush administration took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they installed new people to run both. The Federal Housing Finance Agency installed John Koskinen and David Moffett to run Freddie Mac, and Phil Laskawy and Herb Allison to run Fannie Mae.

In September of last year, Robert Willumstad lost his job running AIG in connection with the bailout. This was also during the Bush administration.

Again, apologies if your question was meant to be rhetorical -- I thought you might like some background. The GM firing-for-cash deal isn't new; it follows the trend set back when the Bush team was running things.

Your FM/FM doesn't hold up...

"The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) (NYSE: FNM), commonly known as Fannie Mae, is a stockholder-owned corporation chartered by Congress in 1968 as a government sponsored enterprise (GSE), but founded in 1938 during the Great Depression. The corporation's purpose is to purchase and securitize mortgages in order to ensure that funds are consistently available to the institutions that lend money to home buyers.[2]"

It is a GSE, and in that case, the government has powers that don't apply to a private company, such as GM.

And once again, Robert B. Willumstad was set up at AIG throught the Federal Reserve, which is also a company that has certain contractual dealings with the government, and the government has the right to interveen in certain situations.

"Robert B. Willumstad was the chief executive of the American International Group, the giant insurance company when it was taken over by the Federal Reserve on Sept. 16, 2008 in a last-ditch move to stave off its collapse, which officials feared could wreak havoc on the international financial system. Fed officials said he would be succeeded by Edward M. Liddy, the former chairman of the Allstate Corporation."

GM is a private company that has been invaded by the Obama administration.

668 eon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #610 NukeAtomrod

Except for semantics, I fail to see the ideological difference.

Exactly. There is none.

Yet "technocracy" was, in the Great Depression, put forward as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism, on the principle that in a technological culture, only those who understood technology should make decisions.

Mercantilism, of course, holds the same view regarding economics.

Legalism holds that in a culture governed by law, only those versed in same (lawyers) should hold office. (We live in a fundamentally legalist culture, in practice if not necessarily embodied in the letter of our laws.)

Theocracy holds that only those favored by the (local) deity should decide.

And so on, and so forth.

What all such "alternatives" have in common is that each one is a "rule by the elite"- they just each have a different definition of who is eligible to be defined as a member of the select, ruling class.

The other thing they have in common is that, unless restrained by checks and balances (as in our quasi-legalist democratic culture), most such "dictatorships of the Chosen" tend to be unpleasant places to live, if you happen to not be one of the "Chosen".

/Plato's Republic explains it in detail- except Plato thought it was a good idea.

cheers

eon

669 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #651 Mr. In get Mr. Out

At least, for now, Obama doesn't want a society of burnouts.

it's the money not the principle

670 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #632 MandyManners

I don't understand this part "Even if you took it has a insult worry of reposting over and over". Would you please tidy it up?


Sorry Mandy

"Even if you took it has a insult worthy of reposting over and over"

671 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:35:23am

re: #643 Bloodnok

The GOP is going to have to put up with me anyway, then. :)

This is part of the reason why I suggested bringing back the Balanced Budget Amendment- to drive the fiscal moderates/republican socialists out of the party. I don't want them. They cost us elections, and they undermine conservative principles. They are bad political allies, and should go join the other side of the aisle because frankly, they have more in common with democrats than with us.

672 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:36:02am

re: #656 HoosierHoops

I don't recall any glee here or anywhere else during the economy meltdown..
We watched in shock and helplessness as trillions of dollars vanished into thin air..Criticism of Obama was and still is in order..That's not Fucking Glee!

Avant's No. 587 just further convinces me that he does not know thing one about the meaning of dissent. Also, I'm beginning to believe that he has serious problems with comprehension of the English language. I don't know how I could have been clearer in my question to him.

673 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:36:09am

re: #663 Wendya

While winning the house, senate and white house.

Now that doesn't mean I in any way advocate that kind of nonsense but the people who say protests are ineffective, demonizing your opponent isn't effective, must be living in an alternate universe where those tactics weren't applied damned near universally by the left in the last 4 years to great effect.

However, GWB won in 2004. 2008 - the tide of left-wing/MSM/hollywad group-think made a democrat win inevitable. I doubt the idiots calling Bush Hitler has much to do with it. just MHO.

674 Dianna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #670 avanti

Sorry Mandy

"Even if you took it has a insult worthy of reposting over and over"

You say you don't want to waste time on insults. But you keep the acrimony going.

Please, just say, "I'm sorry, let's start over."

Please.

675 MPH  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

I'm hoping that Horowitz's op-ed being published at FrontPage will have some effect on the ODS sufferers who read FP. It needs to be re-published at WorldNutDaily, and other places.

Highest paid employee of the David Horowitz Freedom Center = Robert Spencer (earned a cool $126.5K in 2007 according to IRS filings).

676 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:37:57am

re: #670 avanti

Sorry Mandy

"Even if you took it has a insult worthy of reposting over and over"

I took it for what it was: an attack on LGFer's in which you said we were GLEEFUL when the economy tanked. WE'RE NOT.

Criticism of FCBBHO does not mean we're glad that the economy reacts to his trashing thereof. GET IT?

677 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:38:23am

I'm hungry. bbl

678 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:38:29am

re: #619 Sharmuta

birth rates have declined among the natives because no one can afford a large family thanks to the tax burden

I agree with you on this point, but I also think there is soemthing more sinister happening. The gradual slide to socialism in Europe has led to a feeling of not having anything to live for except yourself, or of only living to satisfy your own needs and desires, because the government will take care of everything else.

679 albusteve  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #665 axegrinder

agreed...which is why I don't do itre: #672 MandyManners

Avant's No. 587 just further convinces me that he does not know thing one about the meaning of dissent. Also, I'm beginning to believe that he has serious problems with comprehension of the English language. I don't know how I could have been clearer in my question to him.

he's here for the attention plain and simple...and I'm sorry I give him any myself

680 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #669 albusteve

it's the money not the principle


Too often values don't matter when there's a buck to be made. Even if legalization of marijuana brings in money into the economy, there will still be cries at government-backed rehabilitation centers. Instead of arguing that legalization would help the economy, they need to argue for the weakening of the Mexican narco-gangs.

681 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:40:02am

re: #657 MandyManners

I must beg to differ about this bit, Sharmuta. You know that the MFM love to highlight any nuts on the Right. They're a very small and vocal minority.

I'm running into more and more of them on daily basis. Just about everyone I know that is a conservative or republican displays some form of ODS. I think every one of them, except possibly for the one I had an argument about it, believes the nirth certifikit crap too. None of these people are LGF readers or posters and frankly just about every "righty" I know including my father would get banned from here within a week if they were.

I don't have a good feeling about all this...

682 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #642 avanti

Sorry, I don't see how getting into a back and forth insult pissing contest helps the discussion. I'd rather not have the personal attacks at all, but if they come, I'm not in the mood to waste a lot of bandwidth in name calling.
Besides, you must know by now that I could give a crap about what a blogger on the net thinks of me personally, other then the minor disruption of the subject at hand.

Seeing as I have broken GAZE.

We all know you are not here to make friends and influence people. Why you are here is the question.

If you supported just half the shit you spew maybe you would be shown some respect here. Since you don't you get none.

I ask for the 10th time. What do you really hope to contribute here?

683 bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:41:18am

re: #671 Sharmuta

This is part of the reason why I suggested bringing back the Balanced Budget Amendment- to drive the fiscal moderates/republican socialists out of the party. I don't want them. They cost us elections, and they undermine conservative principles. They are bad political allies, and should go join the other side of the aisle because frankly, they have more in common with democrats than with us.

Add that to the list of things that depressed me this weekend. I can't for the life of me figure out why people would oppose the Balanced Budget Amendment at this point in history.

684 jcm  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #682 Erik The Red

Seeing as I have broken GAZE.

We all know you are not here to make friends and influence people. Why you are here is the question.

If you supported just half the shit you spew maybe you would be shown some respect here. Since you don't you get none.

I ask for the 10th time. What do you really hope to contribute here?

Paid ACORN operative?

685 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:41:41am

re: #644 unrealizedviewpoint

Why are you posting a clip from The Young Turks Channel to slime Beck?

'Slime' Beck? LOL The guy is either a loon or, more likely, a player who has seen the niche created by the existence of so many right wing victims of ODS and decided to waste no time in exploiting it for his own gain.

I don't know much about 'The Young Turks' but I'm guessing from your comment that they must be 'evil demonrats' or something.

686 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #681 ArchangelMichael

I'm running into more and more of them on daily basis. Just about everyone I know that is a conservative or republican displays some form of ODS. I think every one of them, except possibly for the one I had an argument about it, believes the nirth certifikit crap too. None of these people are LGF readers or posters and frankly just about every "righty" I know including my father would get banned from here within a week if they were.

I don't have a good feeling about all this...

I know what you're talking about. There's plenty of opportunity to point out policies of failure, though these people love to stick by the conspiracy theories.

687 seekeroftruth  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #682 Erik The Red

Seeing as I have broken GAZE.

We all know you are not here to make friends and influence people. Why you are here is the question.

If you supported just half the shit you spew maybe you would be shown some respect here. Since you don't you get none.

I ask for the 10th time. What do you really hope to contribute here?

Perhaps this:

Much of Mr. Obama's vaunted online strategy involved utilizing "Internet trolls" to invade enemy lines under false names and trying to derail discussion.


[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

688 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:45am

re: #662 scottishbuzzsaw

~Eric Hoffer, The True Believer


Added to my "must read" list. Thanks!

689 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:43:20am

re: #673 FrogMarch

had much to do with it. *pimf*

690 WindHorse  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:44:52am

OT Dow down 284................

691 Emerald  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:45:14am

In my opinion, Obama is the most unqualified person to ever hold the office. I think he lacks the character, the experience, the intelligence, hell, even the common sense to make a coherent decision. But Horowitz is right. The hyperbole about him is exactly the same as how the left treated Bush, and it's just as disgusting.

More importantly, though, it's ineffective. Obama's mistakes are clear to see. There is no need to resort to the insanity when the reality is enough. People fell for his rhetoric the first time. They're already seeing the results of that mistake. Don't make him a martyr when he's showing himself to be unqualified.

692 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #680 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Too often values don't matter when there's a buck to be made. Even if legalization of marijuana brings in money into the economy, there will still be cries at government-backed rehabilitation centers. Instead of arguing that legalization would help the economy, they need to argue for the weakening of the Mexican narco-gangs.

I agree, but I would also add that at least a decriminalization would free up resources to fight other crimes. In that regard, it would help the economy to stop wasteful spending.

693 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #685 Jimmah

'Slime' Beck? LOL The guy is either a loon or, more likely, a player who has seen the niche created by the existence of so many right wing victims of ODS and decided to waste no time in exploiting it for his own gain.

I don't know much about 'The Young Turks' but I'm guessing from your comment that they must be 'evil demonrats' or something.

'The Young Turks' are in the business of sliming republicans. That's what they do. I thought it interesting a lizard might choose them to criticize Beck.

694 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #691 Emerald

Obama's mistakes are clear to see. There is no need to resort to the insanity when the reality is enough. People fell for his rhetoric the first time. They're already seeing the results of that mistake. Don't make him a martyr when he's showing himself to be unqualified.

Excellent point.

695 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:48:19am

re: #690 WindHorse

OT Dow down 284................

This is an Obama thread. How could a DOW post be OT? :)

696 hepcat  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:48:53am

Has anyone noticed the picture of Obama on the drudge report this morning?
Are you hypnotized yet?

697 mister  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:15am

Charles - Beg to differ. Horowitz's column doesn't prove a thing other than the two of you think alike. You can stay above the fray all you want, but those of us down here in the ugly froth of conservatism will continue to fight this unprecedented and apparently successful take over of our Republic. Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean we're not right and you are naive:)

698 Florida Lady  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:28am

I don't mind saying I hate the SOB for his trashing of our Constitution and our country.

If that makes me an incoherent, angry, bitter white woman . . . well then so be it.

699 Dasher  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:32am

The problem of course is Obama is a Marxist, and we citizens must do whatever is necessary to defend our country from him and his minions.

We endeavor to give the same respect to Obama has was received by the previous president. That would be no respect, since he has earned none.

700 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:50:17am

Just had a 4.6 in San Jose at about 10:40.

701 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:50:32am

re: #692 Sharmuta

I agree, but I would also add that at least a decriminalization would free up resources to fight other crimes. In that regard, it would help the economy to stop wasteful spending.

Some jail cells could also be emptied and cleaned for those other crimes.

702 WindHorse  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:50:44am

re: #695 unrealizedviewpoint

that's what "OT" meant.... ;)

703 Dasher  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:50:52am

re: #700 debutaunt

Just had a 4.6 in San Jose at about 10:40.

Earthquakes are highly over rated.

704 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:07am

re: #687 seekeroftruth

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Interesting comment about Charles on that link:

We call them Mobys on line, pretty easy to spot. What's different on the right is that other conseravtives bash them, not join them as happens on the left.

"Unless you're on Little Green Footballs - Charles Johnson only allows the echo-chamber posters on his site. But he's not a conservative, but rather a leftist plant designed to split fiscal conservatives from social conservatives, water down the GOP vote. Good scam tho...

Stick with Powerline, or here at the WaTimes."

705 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:29am

re: #693 unrealizedviewpoint

'The Young Turks' are in the business of sliming republicans. That's what they do.

Well they must love Beck then because he is doing all the work himself. All they need to do is sit back, point and laugh along with the rest of the world.

I thought it interesting a lizard might choose them to criticize Beck.

First thing that came up when I typed in "Glenn Beck crying" into youtube.

706 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:46am

re: #697 mister

You think acting like a raving idiot is fighting for conservative principles?!

707 Roses  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:47am

Does everyone have amnesia?

If you want to see how bad it is, just look at Arianna Huffington's face this morning on Joe Scarborough's show. She has that same look that more and more Obama supporters have. Even THEY know something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with this Junior Senator with minimal experience and a whole list of horrible associations who managed to get himself elected to the highest office in the land.

We need only look at his work with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and it's natural extension into his current actions to know we are in trouble. He doesn't know what he is doing, so he is doing what he knows, advancing the activist cause.

Take away his speech writer and see what you've got.

708 Fred72  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #645 FrogMarch

Freddie and Fannie are already government entities. THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE. So what's your point?

GM is a private company - not a wholly owned subsidiary of the government.

obama installed Edward Liddy as CEO of AIG.

I should back up here a bit. I don't have an agenda here -- I simply took Walter's question at face value. He asked me to name another administration that has done this. As I cautioned and preemtively apologized for, his question may have been rhetorical. I'm trying to inform; not pick a fight, but from your response I can tell that I may have crossed a line. Apologies to you as well.

I concede to your point that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are GSEs and perhaps not the best analogs to GM. AIG is a better example. Last year, AIG got a bailout, and as a result, the head guy lost his job.

Looking to the past, before AIG: Lee Iacoca became president of Chrysler in 1979 (during the Carter administration) at the same time that they got $1.5 billion in guarantees from the government. However, I don't recall if his replacement of the sitting president was at the government's behest. I don't think it was; my guess is that his promotion was his reward for being the fundamental force behind the deal.

709 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #701 Mr. In get Mr. Out

In my mind, jail cells are a part of the resources that would be freed up, yes.

710 Land Shark  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:51am

By the way, this thread is a prime reason I like LGF so much. Most of you Lizards, even those I disagree with, do a great job of at least keeping it civil and reasonable, and make good logical observations. I won't hold my breath waiting for the average Democrat to notice that, though.

711 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:53:19am

re: #636 Ben Hur

Obama racial stereotypes, falsehoods flourish

Question the timing.

Just like the murders of the four Oakland officers will be used to justify more gun control.

712 Dasher  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #707 Roses

Does everyone have amnesia?

If you want to see how bad it is, just look at Arianna Huffington's face this morning on Joe Scarborough's show. She has that same look that more and more Obama supporters have. Even THEY know something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with this Junior Senator with minimal experience and a whole list of horrible associations who managed to get himself elected to the highest office in the land.

We need only look at his work with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and it's natural extension into his current actions to know we are in trouble. He doesn't know what he is doing, so he is doing what he knows, advancing the activist cause.

Take away his speech writer and see what you've got.

TOTUS without prompting -- uhh umm

713 gadlaw  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:54:33am

Invaded? Weren't these the guys who flew into town on their private jets to ask Congress for money?
You are right though, it was a private company and it should have gone into bankruptcy instead of trying to feed on the government's tit.

re: #667 Walter L. Newton

GM is a private company that has been invaded by the Obama administration.
714 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:54:52am
715 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:55:12am

re: #700 debutaunt

Just had a 4.6 in San Jose at about 10:40.

It's Bush's fault because he refused to sign Kyoto! HALIBURTON!

/

716 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:55:28am

re: #696 hepcat

Has anyone noticed the picture of Obama on the drudge report this morning?
Are you hypnotized yet?

HYP-no-tize!

/as letterman used to say it

717 mister  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:56:37am

re: #706 Sharmuta

You must be a liberal. Only liberals create a straw man argument and jump to an extreme conclusion based on their own prejudices and not what was actually said, written or implied:(

718 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #697 mister

Charles - Beg to differ. Horowitz's column doesn't prove a thing other than the two of you think alike. You can stay above the fray all you want, but those of us down here in the ugly froth of conservatism will continue to fight this unprecedented and apparently successful take over of our Republic. Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean we're not right and you are naive:)

Fine, if you want to continue to make claims that can't be backed up, hyperbolic statements that simply speak to a mentally damaged state of mind, run slipshod with topics that do not build on a foundation of truth and honesty, then go right ahead and destroy the Republican party.

It's your right!

719 seekeroftruth  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:57:32am

re: #704 avanti

Way to go - read the comments, not the article........

720 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:00:57am

re: #717 mister

You have extremely bad reasoning skills. You did the exact thing to me you claim I did to you by establishing a strawman in calling me a liberal. I'm a Goldwater conservative, and damn proud of it. I fail to see how either Charles or Mr. Horowitz are wrong to point out that behaving like the left will gain conservatism anything. It won't. In fact, behaving like the left allows so-called conservatives to avoid looking at the real issues and devising real solutions.

721 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

Er, John F. Kennedy. Maybe you're not old enough to remember. Heck, even the Catholic Church sold pictures that you could hang on you wall, with both Kennedy and Christ in the same picture.

Thanks for the correction - yep I'm too young to remember. However, the mesmorized tone invoked by JFK from my older lefty sisters indicate derangement and appointing his brother Attorney General, the Bay of Pigs, etc., don't really sit well with me. However, I am old enough to remember a comedy album "The First Family" I think it was called in my VERY Catholic Democrat home. No JC/JFK pics though. One can't imagine the Obama's allowing this (remember the TY dolls), nor the entertainment establishment putting out a comedy DVD about The One.

I will say in the spirit of not having ODS I applaud the decision of the Obamas to use part of their personal fortune for WH decorating.

722 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #704 avanti

Interesting comment about Charles on that link:

We call them Mobys on line, pretty easy to spot. What's different on the right is that other conseravtives bash them, not join them as happens on the left.

"Unless you're on Little Green Footballs - Charles Johnson only allows the echo-chamber posters on his site. But he's not a conservative, but rather a leftist plant designed to split fiscal conservatives from social conservatives, water down the GOP vote. Good scam tho...

Stick with Powerline, or here at the WaTimes."

You fucking dishonest jerk-wad asshole. The article is about YOU. The only thing missing is your real name and address and a picture.

You must really think you are gifted, to make a comment about that article expecting us to IGNORE the content and go right to the comments, which you probably posted.

What a single minded asshole you are.

723 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #719 seekeroftruth

Way to go - read the comments, not the article........

I read both, but you knew that.

724 mister  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:05:35am

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

I think I doth strike a nerve. I could debate you into oblivion on said topic: Sir Obama. You sound like one of the happy, jaunty idiots of the first revolution that would prefer the status quo than freedom. If you represent the current Republican party, as I fear you do, then yes, it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt with true conservatives and not Democrat-lite types like you. I don't know how to make a crying emoticon, sorry.

725 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:05:47am
I am referring to the over-the-top hysteria in response to the first months in office of our new president, which distinctly reminds me of the “Bush Is Hitler” crowd on the Left.

I have a problem with people capriciously comparing others to Nazis. The "soup nazi" etc... a walk around Dachau might persuade them not to just toss that out unless it is referencing someone who is truly bent on mass murder. That doesn't apply to Obama. (I hope)

That said, Obama has been elected because of his charisma. He has a cult of personality. People watch him and check their brains at the door.

Speaking of this crowd, have you seen any “I am so sorry” postings from that quarter as Obama continues and even escalates the former president’s war policy in Afghanistan and attempts to consolidate his military occupation of Iraq?

He isn't giving the generals in Afghanistan what they are asking for and he would have deliberately lost Iraq had he been elected a year earlier. He isn't "consolidating" anything. He is able to draw down our commitment to Iraq because, -precisely- he was ignored and over-ruled when he wanted to withdraw before the 'surge".

I disagree with Obamas policies. I hate his associations. I think what he wants to do is alter the country in a way that is at the very least highly inefficient, more probably unworkable. He sneers at the concepts that will keep this country great, indeed, he sneers at the concept that we are exceptional from the bulk of other post industrial democracies at a time when it desperately needs to be re-affirmed. Personally I think he is a smarmy, smug, snake-oil salesman whose entire pitch insults peoples intelligence.

BDS? As long as I can articulate a rational counter argument to the Obama-bots I think Ill be fine. (not setting the bar too high Ill admit.)

726 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:01am

re: #704 avanti

Interesting comment about Charles on that link:

We call them Mobys on line, pretty easy to spot. What's different on the right is that other conseravtives bash them, not join them as happens on the left.

"Unless you're on Little Green Footballs - Charles Johnson only allows the echo-chamber posters on his site. But he's not a conservative, but rather a leftist plant designed to split fiscal conservatives from social conservatives, water down the GOP vote. Good scam tho...

Stick with Powerline, or here at the WaTimes."

If I were a moby and really wanted to stick the knife into the Republicans, I'd post as a 'true conservative' and encourage everyone to kick the RINO'S out, get behind Glenn Beck and his vision for America and warn everyone about the impending Obamageddon, the need to stock up with guns and ammo NOW etc.

727 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:22am

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

You fucking dishonest jerk-wad asshole. The article is about YOU. The only thing missing is your real name and address and a picture.

You must really think you are gifted, to make a comment about that article expecting us to IGNORE the content and go right to the comments, which you probably posted.

What a single minded asshole you are.

No, just making the point that not only do some on the right think there is a big Obama blog conspirancy , Charles is in on it by allowing different opinions.

728 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #724 mister

I think I doth strike a nerve. I could debate you into oblivion on said topic: Sir Obama. You sound like one of the happy, jaunty idiots of the first revolution that would prefer the status quo than freedom. If you represent the current Republican party, as I fear you do, then yes, it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt with true conservatives and not Democrat-lite types like you. I don't know how to make a crying emoticon, sorry.

Well, aren't we modest. No, I'm not interested.

729 mister  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #720 Sharmuta

You couldn't be more wrong if you invented the word. I suppose you were one of those chillen on the playground who always fought by the Marquis of Queens-bury rules while you continually got your ass beat. You can have it. The conservative revolution will be about testicles not estrogen. You want to fight with estrogen then prepare for deja vu all over again because your asseth will continue to get beateth.

730 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:10:45am

re: #727 avanti

No, just making the point that not only do some on the right think there is a big Obama blog conspirancy , Charles is in on it by allowing different opinions.

What you said doesn't make any sense. You really don't know how to construct a paragraph with any clarity, do you?

731 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:10:46am

re: #729 mister

Lovely- you're also a sexist pig.

732 olderthandirt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:11:00am

President Obama is a Marxist/Socialist, IMHO, whose policies to date reflect his efforts to nationalize our financial industry, his attempts to nationalize our domestic car industry, and his stated goals regarding our national health care industry. Those policies of his are wrong and I will oppose those policies because of that and I do hope his efforts to implement his socialist policies fail.

However, in regard to his efforts to maintain our national security, I hope he is successful there. One exception, which should fail, is his recent effort to increase the AmeriCorp to a level of 250,000 participants, which seems to be the start of implementing his campaign goal, as stated in Denver, of setting up a Civilian National Security Force; which sounds much like a nascent Brown Shirt organization.

733 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:11:43am

re: #726 Jimmah

If I were a moby and really wanted to stick the knife into the Republicans, I'd post as a 'true conservative' and encourage everyone to kick the RINO'S out, get behind Glenn Beck and his vision for America and warn everyone about the impending Obamageddon, the need to stock up with guns and ammo NOW etc.

How do we know that some on the left might be doing just that. Maybe the real lefties Moby's are the ones calling Obama a Commie to radicalize the right. (Cue the Twilight Zone theme)

734 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:12:39am

re: #726 Jimmah

If I were a moby and really wanted to stick the knife into the Republicans, I'd post as a 'true conservative' and encourage everyone to kick the RINO'S out, get behind Glenn Beck and his vision for America and warn everyone about the impending Obamageddon, the need to stock up with guns and ammo NOW etc.

LOL, well said, and that is exactly what a lot of them are doing.

735 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:12:40am

re: #733 avanti

How do we know that some on the left might be doing just that. Maybe the real lefties Moby's are the ones calling Obama a Commie to radicalize the right. (Cue the Twilight Zone theme)

Cue the "Avanti is a Jackass" theme.

736 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:13am

re: #731 Sharmuta

Lovely- you're also a sexist pig.

It's a jerk, in plain sight.

737 justabill  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:46am

re: #309 Erik The Red

Avanti can't read. This has been supplied to him many times. The only conclusion I can come to is he can not read.

Since he's posting in response to other posts, one must assume he can read. Downding for personal attack...

738 avanti  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:57am

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

What you said doesn't make any sense. You really don't know how to construct a paragraph with any clarity, do you?

Nope, but I can still repair a SPS 30 radar, if there are any left.

739 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:15:30am

re: #737 justabill

Since he's posting in response to other posts, one must assume he can read. Downding for personal attack...

And you came from where with your comment?

740 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:17:56am

In my opinion Obama is steadily losing the argument concerning his drastic change policies which he wants to implement in America .

While no American in his right mind wants to see the President fail , however an American must always question the decision making and the outcomes of decisions being made in the name of representation .

All to easily Americans will forget that our government is emplaced by us to serve us , and not the other way around .

Our government is there through a decision by us to represent us ,that is the entire scope of a constitutional government , A United States government that has been wisely designed to share it's power among a diversity of political opinion , and not simply meant for one political force to overcome all others and replace our moral constitutional leadership with a foreign mode of quasi monarchists , or an oligarchy .

While I believe demonizing Obama is bad in itself and is a great a shame to every American who partakes in such demonizing of their chosen leaders , allowing the demons of uniforce in government to determine the fate of our country and unabashedly undermine it through the dictates of either a singular entity or a group theme of populist assumptions is worth waging every constitutional battle against.

I believe there is a fine line between the contrary act of uttering protest to disengage the ulterior ideological forces that are whittling away at our ground laws and freedoms ,including the call to dislodge it completely from the fabric of our charter by vocalizing dissent at all levels , and open demonization , but then it is still a debate when it is done properly , and not allowed to become a shouting match complete with every derogatory found in the universe of the english language in describing the opposition and it's antecedents.

Common sense will tell you that you can attract more flies with honey than you can with vinegar , so if the message is strong and the content is forthright , the manner of communicating those should also reflect morals and decency.

This is something both the Left and the Right could learn for example ....oh and yes let's not forget the centrist fence sitters , because their fanny's will become fat and lazy from all that sitting after a time.

741 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:18:14am

re: #733 avanti

How do we know that some on the left might be doing just that. Maybe the real lefties Moby's are the ones calling Obama a Commie to radicalize the right. (Cue the Twilight Zone theme)

Are extreme lefties capable of that kind of deceptive manipulation? YEP! Are there right wingers so blindly partisan that they would fall for it every time? YEP! Is it actually happening? Who knows - I'd say probably, yes.

742 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:18:26am

re: #729 mister

Get off my website.

743 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #742 Charles

Thank you.

744 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #738 avanti

Nope, but I can still repair a SPS 30 radar, if there are any left.

Check up your ass. Your response is so evident of your lack of any self-worth. You have to lean back on making comments about 40 year old skills, which I understand you are proud of, but has nothing to do with the question I asked.

Which is what you do constantly on this blog. Start a discussion and after the initial comment from you, you NEVER respond with an answer that has much of anything to do with the thread.

Then, you cop out, opt out, try to run, by leaving totally unrelated answers like above.

You need help in so many ways. Fight Avanti, stop giving in by whining and acting like a little jerk. If you really believe in what you are saying, form a firm answer and fight with it

745 justabill  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:19:51am

I don't agree with much(any) of what avanit says, but I think the efforts to insult/drive him off the board are childish...

746 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #697 mister

Charles - Beg to differ. Horowitz's column doesn't prove a thing other than the two of you think alike. You can stay above the fray all you want, but those of us down here in the ugly froth of conservatism will continue to fight this unprecedented and apparently successful take over of our Republic. Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean we're not right and you are naive:)

It wasn't a "takeover". That assumes far too little responsibility on the side of the GOP and people like yourself who shoot down sensible ideas from anyone who doesn't include the word "liberty" or "freedom" in their posts.

But as long as you get to be a tough guy, that's all that matters. Ron Paul Forums has a seat waiting for you.

747 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:20:49am

For the record- I was the girl on the playground who gave a boy a bloody nose. I got left alone after that.

748 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:21:06am

re: #729 mister

DRADIS Radiological Alarm: Incoming Nuclear Ordinance!

749 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #729 mister

You need to get your headeth out of your asseth.

750 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:21:54am

re: #745 justabill

I don't agree with much(any) of what avanit says, but I think the efforts to insult/drive him off the board are childish...

Noted and ignored!

751 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #738 avanti

Nope, but I can still repair a SPS 30 radar, if there are any left.

And what do your particular out-dated skills have to do with the subject under discussion? Other than to be yet another avanti patented diversion, that is.

752 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:22:53am

re: #751 FurryOldGuyJeans

And what do your particular out-dated skills have to do with the subject under discussion? Other than to be yet another avanti patented diversion, that is.

GMTA - (I think)?

753 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:23:00am

re: #729 mister

You couldn't be more wrong if you invented the word. I suppose you were one of those chillen on the playground who always fought by the Marquis of Queens-bury rules while you continually got your ass beat. You can have it. The conservative revolution will be about testicles not estrogen. You want to fight with estrogen then prepare for deja vu all over again because your asseth will continue to get beateth.

This is the sort of thing I'd expect a serious to post, although I'd imagine most mobies would be smarter and employ a bit more subtlety than this.

754 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:23:25am

re: #747 Sharmuta

For the record- I was the girl on the playground who gave a boy a bloody nose. I got left alone after that.

I'm jealous. All I ever got from girls on the playground was the cold shoulder. Cooties, ya know.

755 jester6  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:23:34am

I understand Horowitz's argument. But I think part of the cause of ODS is that we do not have the words to describe what Obama is doing. Socialist or Fascist have been so over used they are not effective anymore - even though they would be accurate. Drawing parallels to pre WWII Germany is beyond the pale. Comparing his conduct with respect to the financial industry to Hugo Chavez's conduct in Venezuela is considered hyperbole.

The fact is there are parallels to be drawn.

Just in the last week we have had these events:

(1) He is talking about raising the effective corporate tax rate which is already the highest in the industrialized world.
(2) His treasury secretary is "open" to the idea of replacing the US dollar as the world's reserve currency
(3) His budget proposals are dependent on revenue from cap and trade and the higher corporate tax rate.
(4) The Fed, at his behest, is printing trillions of dollars.
(5) His treasury secretary is calling for increased power to regulate private companies that is so dramatic even democrats on the committee were openly skeptical of his SecTres.
(6) The Europeans, save Gordon Brown, are telling him he is spending too much money and they see the parallels to pre-WWII Germany.
(7) Naplitano just announced they will no longer focus on catching illegal aliens - instead they will focus on employers. But she is not going to allow workplace raids.

Everyday Obama or his Administration does something that is so radical, so potentially damaging, the only words to accurately describe what he is doing sound like hyperbole to someone who is really not paying attention. It's stupifying. It's like people from a Kafka novel are running the US government.

American's are incredibly uninformed when it comes to history and current events. If you spend all your time watching Dancing with the Stars or Biggest Loser it sounds crazy when someone tells you the POTUS is a behaving like a pre-WWII fascist - but the truth is he is behaving like a pre-WWII fascist.

The bottom line - only a small percentage of the population with a broad understanding of history and economics fully understand the implications of what he is doing. Many on the right have a sense that what Obama is doing is wrong but they lack the vocabulary to articulate what they are seeing.

756 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #747 Sharmuta

For the record- I was the girl on the playground who gave a boy a bloody nose. I got left alone after that.

That would have been something to see. :)

757 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #745 justabill

I don't agree with much(any) of what avanit says, but I think the efforts to insult/drive him off the board are childish...

I agree. It's completely unwarranted.

758 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:25:27am

re: #752 Walter L. Newton

GMTA - (I think)?

Maybe great in your case, definitely perverted in mine. ;)

759 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:26:55am

re: #756 FurryOldGuyJeans

My father taught me how to punch at a very young age. He seemed to understand that a girl, at times, will need to defend herself and she better know how to do so.

760 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:29:09am

re: #759 Sharmuta

My father taught me how to punch at a very young age. He seemed to understand that a girl, at times, will need to defend herself and she better know how to do so.

Very wise man, your father. I couldn't agree more, except to say that everyone should know how to defend themselves, verbally and physically, and know when to punch and when to walk away. You learned the lessons well.

761 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:29:42am

re: #759 Sharmuta

My father taught me how to punch at a very young age. He seemed to understand that a girl, at times, will need to defend herself and she better know how to do so.

Hmmm. My daughter is almost three. Is that too early?

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:32:28am

re: #761 Ford_Prefect

Hmmm. My daughter is almost three. Is that too early?

No, just don't expect her to be a black belt the first lesson. The earlier one's children learn how to use force the easier it is to learn proper restraint on actually using it. And it is good exercise, something far too American children get.

763 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:33:38am

and no, I still don't view myself as a bloody moralist , it's just my opinion , and everyone here knows the ground rules about opinions by now ....

lol

764 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:34:16am

re: #761 Ford_Prefect

Hmmm. My daughter is almost three. Is that too early?

I was taught at 2.

765 axegrinder  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:37:03am

I thought pepper spray was invented so girls didn't have to fight.

766 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #729 mister
"The conservative revolution will be about testicles not estrogen."

Your phrase has been considered by the Rotating Title Commission, but rejected. It's just too damn stupid to be funny.

767 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #766 jaunte

"The conservative revolution will be about testicles not estrogen."

Your phrase has been considered by the Rotating Title Commission, but rejected. It's just too damn stupid to be funny.

Thinking with that particular part of the anatomy leads to trouble.

768 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:43:12am

re: #767 Sharmuta

Hard to believe anyone considered that a worthwhile thought to share.

769 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #766 jaunte

"The conservative revolution will be about testicles not estrogen."

Your phrase has been considered by the Rotating Title Commission, but rejected. It's just too damn stupid to be funny.

Seeing as he just got booted in the 'nads I think he is going to have to rely on something else for the revolution.

770 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #769 Boxy_brown

Maybe he'll consider those little gray cells, lying unused.

771 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:46:22am

re: #767 Sharmuta


Thinking with that particular part of the anatomy leads to trouble.

Well, to be fair, they did get me through high school.

772 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #770 jaunte

Maybe he'll consider those little gray cells, lying unused.

What a novel concept.

773 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:47:27am

re: #772 Sharmuta

Just a thought!

774 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:48:45am

re: #773 jaunte

Deliciously ironic. High five, yo.

775 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:48:57am

re: #729 mister

Oh, go piss up a rope.

For your ease and convenience, make that dental floss dangling about 2 inches in front of you.

Who says I'm not a nice woman?

776 A.W.  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:49:20am

There is no reason to get deranged in your opposition to Obama when there are so many good and rational reasons to be scared shitless that this economic illiterate is in charge.

777 J.S.  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #755 jester6

Even some reporters at CNN are becoming critical (or at least far less enthusiastic)...Just now there was one who was asking hard questions about what a government claim to honour car warranties really means...what does that mean? will it be like a DMV? will the government be operating repair garages? will they be hiring car mechanics? how long will it take to get a car repaired that's under warranty? 120 days? what sort of bureaucracy will there be? what sort of "oversight" to prevent fraud? is the government assuming ownership of GM? all these questions have yet to be answered.. it's very, very easy for someone to state: "We will honour all car warranties." but what, exactly, does that mean in practice?

778 Bubbaman  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:54:14am

What a lovely thread. Horowitz wakes up with a hangover, makes his way to the 'fridge and pours himself a glass of lefty kool-aid. Now the minions start chewing on each other's tails. Beautiful.

Have we forgotten who the real problem is? A narcissitic and profane socialist who is occupying the White House and driving the country down the path of calamity and disaster. Are we mad? You betcha'!

The fundamental distinction between BDS and the dislike in Obama is the former was an irrational mindset created by the aversion of anything Bush, while the disgust in Obama is genuine and based in fact.

779 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:54:54am

re: #777 J.S.

It means we are headed for single-payer socialized car care.
/

780 lurking faith  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:57:35am

I freely admit, Obama's policies make me wish I were deranged, because then it might all be happening only in my deranged mind.

However, in the real world, freaking out is not helpful, and unless we can pull together an opposition that actually makes sense, we're not going to get anywhere.

I do think, based on the evidence of his own words (repeatedly), Obama is a Marxist. But it's probably more useful as a tactic to skip the label and just explain what his policies will do and are already doing to the economy.

781 Cato  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #385 Honorary Yooper

I already consider him that.

782 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:59:22am

re: #780 lurking faith

I think this is worth repeating multiple times:
"But it's probably more useful as a tactic to skip the label and just explain what his policies will do and are already doing to the economy."

783 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:00:18pm

re: #778 Bubbaman

The fundamental distinction between BDS and the dislike in Obama is the former was an irrational mindset created by the aversion of anything Bush, while the disgust in Obama is genuine and based in fact.

So, this gives us the liberty to behave like leftists with BDS, in your opinion? Or should we instead focus on real solutions to counter the socialist agenda that we agree we all oppose?

784 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #720 Sharmuta

Yo ' Let's all just calm down for one second , and qualify the meaning of "conservatism" before we all start killing each other :

con⋅serv⋅a⋅tism   [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.


We have a choice here , but as usual I choose for number 1 , because number two is merely the enaction of number 1.

True conservatism is not about Right versus left , true Conservatism is about the preservation of our established laws (meaning the constitution ) ,and the relationship of the people to it's government , and building upon the legacy of the United States , By law the most fair and decent land in the world .

While a conservationists are usually found in the forest protecting the wildlife , conservatives are always found in the midst of the wild, protecting the very foundations of our living constitution.

785 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:07:31pm

re: #784 Twenglish

Was there something about me calling myself a Goldwater conservative that makes you think this is somehow in conflict with what you just said? Or are you not familiar with Goldwater's philosophy?

786 lurking faith  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #737 justabill

Since he's posting in response to other posts, one must assume he can read. Downding for personal attack...

OK, then; if we assume that avanti can read (which makes sense, as he can type), then we must conclude at least one of the following:

1. he refuses to look at evidence that might contradict his ideas; or
2. he looks at it but then chooses to ignore it.

Add to that his penchant for repeating arguments that other posters have repeatedly disproved with evidence, and his penchant for refusing to answer inconvenient questions, and I think we find that he is, quite simply, intellectually dishonest.

He is also not above committing personal attacks, so I seriously doubt that he's some delicate flower that you need to protect, lest he be trampled.

787 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:25:02pm

Sadly to say , I think Mister is wrong headed for considering himself to be a conservative, this due to his obvious vendetta for the left , but Sharmuta and some others are just as wrong for falling into the trap of believing they could actually reason with a conservationist ...

By all means , the mister guy is no conservative guys , he's just another conservationist out in the woods protecting the wildlife for pete's sake .

Be the conservative , and identify the wild ones and teach them the right way to be conservative .

Hey, whats the scope of the discussion here after all? ...

Is this thread really about debating the immoral overtones of extreme dissent? or is this about nailing each others butts to a wall ?

C'mon , let's all go get a cup of coffee and come back and smile about it ....

788 lurking faith  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:25:08pm

re: #782 jaunte

I think this is worth repeating multiple times:
"But it's probably more useful as a tactic to skip the label and just explain what his policies will do and are already doing to the economy."

*blush*

Thanks; I must be having one of my sane days. :)

789 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:27:49pm

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps not a full-fledged Commie, but since his exposure to Marxism when growing up in Hawaii, perhaps a Commie-ameha.

Ouch. I physically felt that one. Why, Kiki? Why?

(Yeah, I know. The Hawaii puns oar so over...but I just got here.)

790 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #785 Sharmuta

Not at all , I just think your are wasting your energy on the mister guy , instead of trading in blows , trade in facts .

I'm sure Barry Goldwater would agree to that .....

Really conservatism is not about right and left , it's about the preservation of all sides and the rule of law .

nothing could be simpler , and yes , there is such a thing as a Goldwater Conservative , I know because I knew them when they were Goldwater liberals , and I know them now ...as some of the finest conservatives I have ever met .

We need to join together to conserve our traditions , our norms and worths , our country , not further divide over mistakes in reasoning .

Mister is dead wrong , but like my daddy taught me , 2 wrongs don't make a right .

Smile ....

791 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #790 Twenglish

Since you seem to think I'm wrong, please point out specifically what I said to "mister" that is wrong in your opinion.

792 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:34:54pm
793 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #431 lawhawk

You're leaving me pining for the Fjords.

Found
Junked
On
Road
Dead

794 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:41:55pm
795 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:41:55pm

In further assertion to my comment to Sharmuta , I want to say to all the lizards here: Consider the constitution and what it represents , it's a bill that divides power , a beautiful unique idea of creating a manner of democracy unparalleled by any other .

Sure we don't like the liberal moonbats , because they have bad ideas and always try to turn our established norms and worths into so much Guano ...but what is a good system without a test of it's integrity ?

The founding fathers meant for it this way , they knew that the righ and the left would be at each others throats , they knew the fence sitters would sit by and watch and withold jusdgement until the last possible minute , they recongized that there would be resounding dissent at every turn , and Lizards that is the asstounding beauty of America , that diveresity can exist together and no one can get the upper hand .

If we are conservatives , than exactly this is what we need to conserve ..A thousand Obama's cannot change what has been laid down , he can damage it yes , but he can never destroy it .

This has been tried so many times , and everytime they booked ground they caused the opposition to win , so is it with the democrats and so is it with the republicans .

I am telling you that Obama can't bust a grape when it comes to our country , he can screw us up for 50 years , but by year 60 we will still be on top .

you can take that to the bank !

796 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:43:51pm

re: #791 Sharmuta

Were you angry ?

I believe you could hurt yourself in anger , and to me thats wrong ...

Hell Charles was angry too , but there is a big difference, He owns the joint !

lol

797 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:45:35pm

re: #795 Twenglish

Now you're just starting to piss me off. You are asserting things in your comments as though I somehow disagree with you or don't understand the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. If you want to make these points- knock yourself out, but DO NOT assert them in such a fashion as to somehow make it seem as though other are disagreeing with you when they're not. It's very dishonest.

798 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:47:34pm

re: #72 Catttt

I have a couple of youtube vids that are critical. Do you think he'll invite me to lunch? /wonders what to wear

How toned are your arms?

799 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #796 Twenglish

So- it's your comprehension that's the issue here? I'll ask again- what specifically did I say that you are disagreeing with, not what your interpretation of my emotions are?

800 Bubbaman  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:53:18pm

re: #783 Sharmuta

So, this gives us the liberty to behave like leftists with BDS, in your opinion? Or should we instead focus on real solutions to counter the socialist agenda that we agree we all oppose?

I think this is a flawed comparison and very few of us are acting like "leftists". I interact and work with many individuals consumed by BDS. It was truly an irrational affliction. If one to were ask a BDS sufferer to provide bona fide arguments to bolster their inane positions, they were unable. The only things these poor BDS ravaged individuals could utter were guttural statements such as "I hate him," "He destroyed the country," "He's an idiot," "He ruined the economy," "He got us into an illegal war," etc.

Many conservatives are tired of standing idly by while our nation, Constitution, and heritage are being systematically dissembled and tossed into the bin of collective history. We see how the "silent majority" of hard working, honest, and ethical Americans are being ruled by a collection of scary sycophants who are stealing from our pockets and regulating our lives.

Witness, the slow rise of "tea party" like initiatives whereby ordinary citizens are gathering to express their dismay in government. These aren't "activists", "professional protesters", etc. but ordinary American citizens who see the system failing, recognize that it doesn't serve the people, and quite frankly don't know precisely what to do.

Is it any coincidence that a wacky ADD like pundit would experience meteoric rise on cable television in a matter of weeks simply because he has the audacity to exclaim that "We're mad as hell and ain't gonna take it any more?" What does that tell you?

We've seen the left gain a stranglehold in Congress and the Whitehouse largely because of the failure of the right to articulate and effect their policies when they had the chance. As a result, Americans bounced them out, listening to the strident voices of the lunatic fringe. Now, we have the inmates running the asylum.

My G-d - Look at who is running this country; Barack Hussein Obama, Joseph Bidden, and Nancy Pelosi. This cast of characters belongs in a bizarre Vaudeville comedy sketch, not at the pinnacle of power.

So yes, we need to constructively engage in the process and develop a grass roots effort to expel the bastards from Washington. But our fears are well founded and the 2010 election is still a ways away. BHO and company have inflicted significant damage to this country in less than 100 days. What will happen in two years?

And therein lies the problem. Americans are feeling shut-out and disengaged. Yes, yes, elections have implications and we're all experiencing the consequences... But that doesn't diminish the fundamental fact that our country is under assault.

Over 240 years ago, some brave men and women rose up against the tyrannical powers which were afflicting them. As a result of their visions and sacrifices the greatest nation on earth was created. Would you call them deranged? I'm sorry, but there are those of us who won't swallow the "Blue Pill", figuratively or literally.

801 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:58:53pm
802 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 12:59:50pm

re: #800 Bubbaman

I think this is a flawed comparison and very few of us are acting like "leftists".

Then I would say you're not paying attention. Do you honestly think Mr. Horowitz pulled this out of his ass, or is he seeing something that compelled him to write this essay? Obviously he's not pulling shit out of his ass. You need look no further than world nut daily and folk who promote kookspiracies like the Nirthers to see that there is 0bama derangement syndrome going on. It's not rational objections, and it's the kooks who damage those of us who DO have rational objections to 0bama. How are we supposed to communicate these real and rational objections when the kooks are able to hand the left and msm a kook brush with which to tar the entire right? There is nothing wrong with objecting to 0bama AND the kooks in our midst. They are a distraction, and hurt our ability to form a counter-strategy that will be effective.

803 scooby  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:05:57pm

It's good that we're policing ourselves, not that we'll get one iota of credit for it from the left, but just on principle.

Let's keep in mind a salient fact: nutters are just nutters, and they aren't particularly ideological. So no amount of policing will get them to stop saying crazy stuff. And it's stupid to say that because the anti-Obama nutters are particularly pronounced that this is evidence of conservative derangement.

BDS was only an issue because mainstream liberals became nutty. There is *no* equivalent to Dan Rather on the right. And there was *no* equivalent to either Charles Johnson or Horowitz or Hugh Hewitt or even Rush on the left. I've listened to conservatives talking about Obama, and the general antipathy is towards his extreme policies, not the man himself.

If anything, ODS is a fiction that only exists because people tend to assume that the modus operandi of conservatives is the same as of liberals. It simply is not and, again, we won't get credit for doing the right thing from the left but we sure as hell should recognize that we are.

804 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:08:16pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

times 1000.

805 scooby  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #802 Sharmuta

You need look no further than world nut daily and folk who promote kookspiracies like the Nirthers to see that there is 0bama derangement syndrome going on.

Since when is WND representative of mainstream conservative views?! How are we supposed to be responsible for every ranting lunatic that happens to sound vaguely conservative?

806 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:09:52pm

re: #805 scooby

We're not responsible for what they say, only our reaction. To say, "we think they're kooks" is exactly right.

807 XENONIAN  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:10:42pm

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

I love my ODS
now go away please while I keep banagin my head against the wall

Well, it doesn't make conservative look any better than the left, and if you want it, keep it off of LGF.

Ahem Ahem

when did you get voted the LGF police?

get a life

808 jaunte  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:11:14pm

re: #803 scooby

It's good that we're policing ourselves, not that we'll get one iota of credit for it from the left, but just on principle.

Repeating lurking faith's thought from 780:

"...it's probably more useful as a tactic to skip the label and just explain what his policies will do and are already doing to the economy."

It's helpful to police our arguments because we'll be more effective that way.

809 Dizzy26  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:24:20pm

Unless; and UNTIL, the Republican Party finds and recovers its' misplaced testicles, the Ponzi scheme presently being perpetrated by the Marxist tax cheats experts and liberal left communist Democratic Party, the United States is doomed for the next hundred tthousand years.

810 Catttt  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:26:04pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't being sarcasteic at all. Please read angieann question and my answer. Angieann asked... (in comment #4)...

"Which accusations have turned out not to be true?"

I answered...

"Obama is Hitler."

Please read the damn comments.

There, there, there. Maybe I was being sarcastic. :D

811 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:36:15pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

Agreed , my apologies if I offended you , I wasn't disagreeing with anyone in particular anyway, only the chosen modus operandi in trying to establish "who" and "who" is not a conservative here ...

812 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:40:11pm

Correection : I meant to type:" trying to establish who is and who is not a conservative" .

my bad ...

lol

813 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #105 MandyManners

Please define the FCB in the FCBBHO.
Thanks.

814 Bubbaman  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:49:33pm

re: #802 Sharmuta

Then I would say you're not paying attention. Do you honestly think Mr. Horowitz pulled this out of his ass, or is he seeing something that compelled him to write this essay? Obviously he's not pulling shit out of his ass. You need look no further than world nut daily and folk who promote kookspiracies like the Nirthers to see that there is 0bama derangement syndrome going on. It's not rational objections, and it's the kooks who damage those of us who DO have rational objections to 0bama. How are we supposed to communicate these real and rational objections when the kooks are able to hand the left and msm a kook brush with which to tar the entire right? There is nothing wrong with objecting to 0bama AND the kooks in our midst. They are a distraction, and hurt our ability to form a counter-strategy that will be effective.

There is no question that the nirthers, 9-11 conspiracists, and other wackos are out there. But to define the conservative movement by the WND nutjobs is a total bunch of crap. The MSM seizes upon these people and paints (tars?) all conservatives with the same brush. It would be akin to us labeling all Democrats as Kos-Kooks, Huffington Huffies, or Code-Pink ****s (Hey aren't these the folks running the Demoncrap party?).

I would want to separate the Nirthers et al as fringe elements who are suffering generally and not necessarily from OBS. But the majority of Americans who are disgusted with this administration are certainly within their rights of expressing their heartfelt anger and resentment. Perhaps, we are arguing semantics, but I would have preferred if Horowitz presented the genuine issues and then dismissed the right wing Kos-Kook equivalents. I think David generalized too much and as such implied that many of us are irrationally consumed with anti-Obama fervor (fever?). This simply is not the case.

815 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:50:05pm

re: #795 Twenglish


This has been tried so many times , and everytime they booked ground they caused the opposition to win , so is it with the democrats and so is it with the republicans .

I am telling you that Obama can't bust a grape when it comes to our country , he can screw us up for 50 years , but by year 60 we will still be on top .

Perhaps.

[Link: www.dansimmons.com...]

816 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #811 Twenglish

Agreed , my apologies if I offended you , I wasn't disagreeing with anyone in particular anyway, only the chosen modus operandi in trying to establish "who" and "who" is not a conservative here ...

That's simple enough once you realize there are socialists in the republican party, as well as those who don't support individual liberty. They mark themselves with their actions and words.

817 coloradobuff  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 1:59:07pm

I agree with Mr. Horowitz to the extent that the name-calling (e.g., "narcissist" or "the anti-Christ") is either over-the-top or just unhelpful. However, I think David gives the President a bit too much credit on his "accomplishments" (i.e., winning the election). The way I see it, much of the country (including some people who call themselves "conservatives") wanted to go in a different direction, and became enamored with the idea of electing a black president. I thought at the time Mr. Obama was elected that he was one of the least qualified people to hold the office in terms of ability and experience, and my opinion has only been strengthened by what I have seen the last couple of months.

818 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:03:31pm

Not for nuthin', but the notion that the left will slander us no matter what we do, so it doesn't really matter how we behave, is fucking stupid and childish.

Same goes for the "But look what the left did" obfuscation of the nuts within our midst.

819 Teh Flowah  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:12:54pm

Thanks Horowitz, for sticking to your principled guns. Something I've been emphasizing to those on the Left but now must also explain to the Right, is that Obama is nothing new. He didn't represent change anymore than any other candidate in any nation's history, and he certainly hasn't done anything that is beyond other presidents.

It's personally, been my main criticism of him! He professes to be something brand new when he probably knows he isn't. And those on the Left that believe him make such ludicrous statements as Obama being the first president that ever cared about the people. How insane is that? Just as insane as calling him the anti-Christ, or the worst president ever, or someone who will bring about the downfall of the United States.

He's absolutely mediocre in the worst way. His populism we've seen before. He rhetorical talents we've seen before. His bait and switch, we've seen before, and definitely from Bush. His grab for executive power? A bipartisan trend since the beginning of the nation. His numerous gaffes? Tell me, what has he done that we haven't yet seen?

820 USBeast  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:13:12pm

So the general conclusion is that ODS is odious?

821 A.W.  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:26:53pm

Btw, i would point out that ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) goes both ways. I mean when you claim that because of Obama, couples are again making love and saying "yes we can" as they climax, you have just entered creepyfanboyland. And if God help us, there really are people saying that, at that moment, yike.

I mean its the crap you have to laugh at, because otherwise it just gives you the willies. There are some people whose devotion to him are as deranged as some people's opposition to him.

And as more than a few people pointed out, this adulation is really the mirror opposite of BDS (Bush Derangement, etc.). Bush is the devil, so the replacement is an angel, or something like that.

Like I said, there is no need to be deranged about obama in opposition to him when he is plenty scary if you look on him plainly. The creepiness of his followers is only an example of that. You don't have to go "the full nazi" (comparing his followers behavior to the Nazis) to recognize there is a genuine creepiness and adulation that seems to have nothing to do with his talents.

822 Irish Rose  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:41:44pm

Oh, fer chrissakes.

Charles, I rarely disagree with you.
I've never compared BO to Charles Manson, or compared him to Hitler, or suggested that he's the anti Christ.

But look, Charles.... the man IS a narcissist.

Some conservatives might think it poor form to say so, but the man is a classic fit and I'm not going to be shamed into not using that word by conservatives who insist that we all take the high road and say nothing negative about the man. I can see what they're coming from, but in this case I think that it's perfectly acceptable to call a spade a spade.

823 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:43:07pm

Call them like you see them. I'm tired of trying to stay clean. Politics is dirty.

824 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:44:11pm

re: #822 Irish Rose

Oh, fer chrissakes.

Charles, I rarely disagree with you.
I've never compared BO to Charles Manson, or compared him to Hitler, or suggested that he's the anti Christ.

But look, Charles.... the man IS a narcissist.

Some conservatives might think it poor form to say so, but the man is a classic fit and I'm not going to be shamed into not using that word by conservatives who insist that we all take the high road and say nothing negative about the man. I can see what they're coming from, but in this case I think that it's perfectly acceptable to call a spade a spade.

If I could upding you more I would. Thats exactly the difference between libs and conservatives. We eat our own.

825 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:45:28pm

re: #7 soxfan4life

His lack of results will lead to his defeat in 2012.

2012 is a very long ways off. And there are already signs that this recession, like all others, has already begun to lift. By the next Presidential election season, the depths of it will be at least a couple of years in the past, in a nation where the average attention span runs a couple of weeks, at best. The economy will simply improve on it's own, but Obama will take credit for the improvement. There may not even be enough resonance with voters by the time the midterms roll around.

Right now, the best strategy is to focus on the enormous deficit being run up. An argument can be made that it's justifiable at the moment, serving as stimulus and support during dire time. But following this year and the inevitable upturn, the deficit is projected to continue at levels unheard of in the past - three to four times the previous record levels, for the foreseeable future, growing larger and larger with time.

I'd be hammering on that, before people get used to that, too.

826 leww37334  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:47:57pm

Perhaps Mr Horowitz fears for his career?

Didn't Mr Obama just fire the head of GM today?

827 ellcon  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:48:00pm

I'm guessing that this article is posted here due to the fact that Obama's policies can only really bring perfunctory objections from the LGF crowd. I commend you for sticking to your principles, but come on - isn't it time to decouple LGF from the Republican party? Obama's got your back...

828 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:52:45pm

re: #827 ellcon

Perfunctory? No- the vast majority of LGFers reject socialism and know exactly why they do. And no, 0bama most certainly doesn't have LGF's back.

829 quickjustice  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:53:27pm

There are two aspects to the Obama Derangement Syndrome phenomenon: First, the wacko conspiracy theories about his birth certificate and U.S. citizenship, for example; and second, the issue of his good faith, i.e., are he and his team merely incompetent, but acting in a good faith effort to help Americans in a serious economic crisis, or are they genuine fascists who want to force this series of private-government "partnerships" upon U.S. industry, abjuring free markets, believing that this is the best way out of the crisis? That's classical fascism.

I don't yet know the answer to the second question, but if one believes Obama to be intelligent, competent, and philosophically consistent, it's not unreasonable to view him as a closet fascist. (I use the term fascist consistent with its longstanding economic definition, not as invective.)

And that's not necessarily OBS if it's the reality.

830 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #822 Irish Rose

Oh, fer chrissakes.

Charles, I rarely disagree with you.
I've never compared BO to Charles Manson, or compared him to Hitler, or suggested that he's the anti Christ.

But look, Charles.... the man IS a narcissist.

Some conservatives might think it poor form to say so, but the man is a classic fit and I'm not going to be shamed into not using that word by conservatives who insist that we all take the high road and say nothing negative about the man. I can see what they're coming from, but in this case I think that it's perfectly acceptable to call a spade a spade.

A web page does not a diagnosis make. To do that, you need both professional training and direct contact with the patient - you can't do such things remotely, especially through analysis of television appearances.

This is reminiscent of the Left's boneheads who attempted to diagnose Bush with all manner of disorders based on his televised speeches, ranging from untreated stroke to mental retardation, and based on the same sort of cherry-picking of Internet resources performed by the same sort of unqualified non-professionals.

In the end, this is an exercise in name-calling, and is more likely to backfire than succeed as a tactic. I'd focus on more realistic, tangible examples of failure - like projected deficits several times past records continuing for over a decade into the future, and the rise in government spending as a percentage of GNP in years to come. Just like the current crisis in credit markets and bad mortgage loans were brought about by unsustainable lending and borrowing practices, budget trends like these are also unsustainable and will wind up bankrupting the country. It's a simple, fact-based argument that appeals beyond the True Believers, whose support is already assured but which isn't large enough to make a difference. The vast Middle is unimpressed by unsupported psychological arguments, and is often turned away by such posturing. Note where the hysterical fits the Dems tied themselves into during Bush's first midterm and reelection got them - into thumping defeats.

Be careful we don't head down the same path.

831 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:56:54pm

re: #826 leww37334

Perhaps Mr Horowitz fears for his career?

Didn't Mr Obama just fire the head of GM today?

No. General Motors did that. They were completely free to reject the government's offer.

832 Hawaii69  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 2:57:19pm

re: #105 MandyManners

Is spamming the same thing for half a page what
passes for "manners"?

833 Irish Rose  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:01:29pm

I cherry-picked one webpage in order to make my assertion... sure.

834 flbob10  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:13:12pm

i give this president more respect and less derangement then he deserves

835 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:17:23pm

As the CEO of this business that employs 140 people, I have accepted the fact that Barrack Obama is our new President, and that our taxes and government fees will now increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for this additional overhead, I figure that the clients will have to see an increase in our fees of about 8% but since we cannot raise those prices right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off several of our employees instead. This unfortunate economic reality has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

After giving it considerable thought, this is what I did: I strolled thru our parking lot and found 11 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..

Sincerely,

ō'dē-əs?

Nupers. :-)

836 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:19:01pm

Oh really? I spent 8 years fending off the intemperate and nasty remarks of liberal Bush Derangement Syndrome acquaintances and now it is my turn to do it back! I fully intend to seize on anything possible to embarrass and annoy them, even those related to me---or maybe especially those related to me. I will be scouring the web for any and all conspiracy theories, rumors and all innuendo to chide them with! What is the fun of losing if you can't be bad sports?

And as he is well on his way to ruining our American culture and our economic system it is my right.

837 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:20:45pm

re: #835 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

As the CEO of this business that employs 140 people, I have accepted the fact that Barrack Obama is our new President, and that our taxes and government fees will now increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for this additional overhead, I figure that the clients will have to see an increase in our fees of about 8% but since we cannot raise those prices right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off several of our employees instead. This unfortunate economic reality has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

After giving it considerable thought, this is what I did: I strolled thru our parking lot and found 11 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..

Sincerely,

ō'dē-əs?

Nupers. :-)

Here's the problem I have with this story: it has appeared here at least three other times, identical except for poster and a few minor particulars.

838 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:21:36pm

re: #836 CLLRusso

Oh really? I spent 8 years fending off the intemperate and nasty remarks of liberal Bush Derangement Syndrome acquaintances and now it is my turn to do it back!

Sure. Two wrongs are always better than one.

Aren't they?

839 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:25:15pm

I can be as juvenile as they were. Pout!

840 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:28:07pm

re: #837 SixDegrees
I've received this story a number of times via email and I still find it funny!

841 wordsworth  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:28:36pm

My fear is that much of the "Bush is Hitler", or even "Bush is a fascist" stuff was organized and manipulated by George Soros funding.....

Which leads me to believe it was orchestrated with the future in mind, to negate our ability from ever speaking up when things *are* resembling fascism or do reflect, even symbolically in the climate of pre-Nazi Germany.

What we're seeing is altogether new, and Obama is his own brand of crazy. I worry about disarming us of the common terminology we all share in describing said crazy.

842 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #840 CLLRusso

I've received this story a number of times via email and I still find it funny!

Then you should present it as email - not as a first-hand narrative.

843 kynna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:37:31pm

There is ODS and I've seen a lot of it. My mom has it bad. Repeating every kook theory that comes along.

But that's different from wanting him to fail at implementing policies that history has shown to be nation-destroyers. I guess I'm just not a "moderate".

844 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #834 flbob10

i give this president more respect and less derangement then he deserves


re: #842 SixDegrees

Then you should present it as email - not as a first-hand narrative.


It was not me that put it out as a first hand narrative. Perhaps you should learn to read!

845 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #839 CLLRusso

At least you admit that such behavior is juvenile. I'll give you credit for that.

846 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:53:56pm

#842 SixDegrees

And by the way, you really are an ass. Bye, bye!

847 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 3:59:21pm

That's right. I am hyperventling for Obama syndown. Relax. It is no big deal. We are just overreacting. There is no one that hates us. Who gives a hoot what the next body count is. It will not be me. My Army training was just a lot of bullshit. Nothing to see here. Move along.

848 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:04:54pm

But nobody talks about the demorats changing the way mortgage are written. And no one mentions how much the US auto industry unions get paid in reference to the other auto companies. Nothing to see here. Move along.

849 Roses  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:17:33pm

re: #835 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

...After giving it considerable thought, this is what I did: I strolled thru our parking lot and found 11 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They wanted change; I gave it to them...

Here's my variation - for every good cause solicitory phone call, the standard response is "Save your schpiel, I'm going to save you some time, we will not be donating to ANY causes for the next four years."

There is a slight pause, then the question, "Four years? Oh. Ohhhhh. Four years. Sorry to bother you."

850 yochanan  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:23:58pm

re: #775 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

For your ease and convenience, make that dental floss dangling about 2 inches in front of you.

Who says I'm not a nice woman?

that would be hitting him with a clue by four twice.

851 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:41:38pm

Me thinks "mister" isn't what it claimed to be. More likely moonbat moby from dkos.

852 bitsy  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:44:43pm

Heh. I have asked myself this question. Maybe I do have a touch of ODS; however, if the US is gripped by hyperinflation because of bail-out-mania, suffering rolling electrical brown-outs thanks to CO2 emission regulations, and looking the other way while Iran produces nuclear weapons on an indutrial scale, then I won't look so demented. In fact, I really hope that I am just suffering from ODS. If it can be proven to me that I am suffering from ODS, then I will chillax and enjoy the socialist eutopia with all the other mellon heads.

Just for the record, I don't think BO is Hitler or Stalin; that gives him way too much credit. I also don't think he is Ronald F. Lincoln like he would like everyone to believe. I think he is a lot more like Jimmy Carter with a dash of Hugo Chavez.

853 kynna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:46:18pm

re: #835 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

As the CEO of this business that employs 140 people, I have accepted the fact that Barrack Obama is our new President, and that our taxes and government fees will now increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for this additional overhead, I figure that the clients will have to see an increase in our fees of about 8% but since we cannot raise those prices right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off several of our employees instead. This unfortunate economic reality has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

After giving it considerable thought, this is what I did: I strolled thru our parking lot and found 11 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..

Sincerely,

ō'dē-əs?

Nupers. :-)

Last hired, first laid off. It's the only fair way. Putting people at the front of the lay off line because of their political preferences is creepy. Each of those employees might have voted for 0 because they hated John McCain, or George Bush or the Republicans as a party (let's face it, there's plenty to complain about). Or maybe they're partakers of the MFM and had no idea 0 was so bad.

Do what you want, but punishing people for their vote is unAmerican.

854 kynna  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 4:48:19pm

re: #837 SixDegrees

Here's the problem I have with this story: it has appeared here at least three other times, identical except for poster and a few minor particulars.

I thought it sounded strange, but I went and answered it anyway. Silly ol' me.

Well, at least I'm on record. ;)

855 samjohnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 5:24:26pm

The Soviets employed psychological diagnosis to lock dissidents up in mental hospitals. After all, they were "narcissists", insisting that their ideas should prevail. Diagnostic labels offer the illusion of understanding in depth--but they're really a form of self deception. We all are narcissists to one degree or another. Some of us make adaptive use of that narcissism, others don't. Most great artists, scientists, athletes, in other words, most creative individuals, are at the high end of the narcissism spectrum. So what? Let's debate Obama's programs, not try to fool ourselves into a sense of false mental health superiority.

856 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 5:59:24pm

re: #839 CLLRusso

I can be as juvenile as they were. Pout!

And by doing so you relegate yourself to be held in the same regard as they were held, or do you not understand this?

857 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:01:39pm

re: #836 CLLRusso

Oh really? I spent 8 years fending off the intemperate and nasty remarks of liberal Bush Derangement Syndrome acquaintances and now it is my turn to do it back!

Then you have decided for yourself that you are completely worthy of being every bit as scorn worthy as they were.

858 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:06:32pm

re: #822 Irish Rose

Rose- where did anyone say we couldn't criticize the man? I didn't see that at all. What I saw was a call to raise our level of criticism above the level that was brought to bear against President Bush.

859 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:12:32pm

re: #848 hous bin pharteen

But nobody talks about the demorats changing the way mortgage are written. And no one mentions how much the US auto industry unions get paid in reference to the other auto companies. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Well, no. No one is talking about the real issues. Everyone is too busy warping their logic to defend why it should be cool to say we want 0bama to fail. Why take the time to think about the deeper issues and possible solutions when we're having too much fun behaving like right-wing versions of moonbats?

860 cxt217  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:40:20pm

It is one thing to act mature and better than the opposition, but I have a hard time shaking the idea that Charles' initial post would essentially require any critic of President Obama's proposal to add, at the end of their speech, 'But because I do not want President Obama to fail, I will not vote against his proposal'.

Do the congressional Democrats want Obama to fail because they said that the proposals for having veterans getting private insurance instead of VA benefits, or reducing the charitable deductions on federal taxes?

861 cxt217  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:42:48pm

re: #860 cxt217

Do the congressional Democrats want Obama to fail because they said that the proposals for having veterans getting private insurance instead of VA benefits, or reducing the charitable deductions on federal taxes?

...Had no chance of passing Congress if he submitted it.

Oops. Forgot to complete the sentence.

862 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 6:44:02pm

re: #860 cxt217

It is one thing to act mature and better than the opposition, but I have a hard time shaking the idea that Charles' initial post would essentially require any critic of President Obama's proposal to add, at the end of their speech, 'But because I do not want President Obama to fail, I will not vote against his proposal'.

Cool. Another person who puts words in my mouth I didn't say and didn't intend.

I'm getting used to it.

863 Joel  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 7:02:51pm

While I agree that ODS is dangerous, and I am sure that personally he (The One) is a nice man, his presidency (so far) sucks and I am only too proud to say that I hope he does not get re-elected (he probably will be re-elected though) in 2012. I do not know what is worse, his economic or his foreign policies. Thank you GOP primary voters for giving us the Cranky Old Bastard - John McCain! It was like coming up to bat with the count already 1 ball and 2 strikes on us.

864 Irish Rose  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:12:46pm

re: #855 samjohnson

The Soviets employed psychological diagnosis to lock dissidents up in mental hospitals. After all, they were "narcissists", insisting that their ideas should prevail. Diagnostic labels offer the illusion of understanding in depth--but they're really a form of self deception. We all are narcissists to one degree or another. Some of us make adaptive use of that narcissism, others don't. Most great artists, scientists, athletes, in other words, most creative individuals, are at the high end of the narcissism spectrum. So what? Let's debate Obama's programs, not try to fool ourselves into a sense of false mental health superiority.

Do I have a mental health degree? No.

But I was intimately involved with a malignant narcissist for 23 years, and I sure as hell do know one when I see one.

I

865 DrNaughty  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:55pm

There is a big difference between being opposed to Obama's policies, and the Bush Derangement Syndrome that infected Democrats for the past eight years.

866 Sceptic Tank  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:06pm

Over the top criticism is an effective oppositional weapon. Doesn't make it immoral or not fun. However, for me, the most effective criticism would neuter his dangerous policies and leave him an attractive figurehead to his supporters.

867 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:18:27pm

re: #816 Sharmuta

Well , They still shoot Rinos out in Africa , Don't they ?

lol

868 Twenglish  Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:32:41pm

I generally disagree with all of Obamas policies , but I seem to have this problem I guess , I just can't bring myself to hate someone for being a narcissistic idiot , I can't sympathize with them for being a fool either .

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have tested me on this one time and again .

Much like anyone else though , I can easily detest a liar .....

I'm still waiting for the full evidence , the jury is still out on Obama , but his defense is very weak indeed, and I can hear you all fighting over the verdict in the jury chamber.

Take it for what it's worth , but hating Obama is not going to change the situation , it didn't work for the left , so it isn't going to work period .

Angry voters carrying signs and wearing teabags circling the White house however will work ....

869 Irish Rose  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:10:07am

Fortunately, I'm not a conservative... I'm a moderate.

So I really could care less if the principaled "conservatives" out there think that I should "take the high ground" and refrain from making any type of negative comment about the One.

Barack Obama is a narcissistic fool, and a political opportunist.... a wealthy, spoon-fed former Junior senator who was rammed into office by his political handlers, an ignorant starry-eyed public, and his slavering mainstream media cronies with absolutely no concern whatsoever for the damage that his inexperience and inneptitude would to to our Nation.

Now that he's in and has to make these decisions on his own, without someone whispering in his ear, he has no idea what the hell he's doing there as evidenced by his public antics, his verbal gaffes, his obsessive need for a teleprompter, his incredibly ill-conceived cabinet picks, his foreign policy gaffes, his coddling of our enemies, etc.

The Barack Obama that is rapidly being revealed is not the "savior" that he was made out to be. The man that is emerging instead is idealistic, inexperienced, juvenile, disrespectful, obsessive about his public image, lacking in foresight and completely inept when it comes to dealing with hostile and dangerous regimes.

As I stated on election day, I was perfectly willing to give him an honest shot and I believe that I have done so. I have no desire to see him fail, because if he fails the Country goes down with him.

In just the few short weeks that he has been in office, though, he's proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's completely unqualified to be serving as my sons' CIC and the POTUS.

I resent his presence in the White House because he's a damned fool, not because he's a Democrat. I'm going to continue to point out when he makes policy mistakes or does something foolish or dangerous, especially when it affects our military families and the men and women who have to serve under him.

And yes... if he continues to put his massive ego and hubris on public display, then he's going to be criticized for that too. This is a man who has no idea what it means to serve with dignity and humility, which in my opinion should be a basic qualifier for anyone who assumes the office of POTUS.

If some so-called "conservatives" don't like it, then too damned bad.

870 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 5:23:56am

re: #869 Irish Rose

You also are missing the point that Obama has zero qualifications to be President of the United States. Since I am older then he is and have worked all my life in private industry, think that America is what's right for the world, recognize that Isalmofascism is the greatest threat to our freedoms, and wants small, efficient government (and government to stay out of our lives as mucha s possible), favors low taxes and incentives to business to hire and retain employees, and am a voracious student of history to boot - I am more qualified to sit in the oval office then he is (also I never palled around with Ayers, Wright, and Saul Alinsky). I can see him winning Student President in High School - that's about it. I actually feel sorry for the dedicated and patriotic men and women who have chosen to serve the United States through military service - their commander -in-chief despises them, probably denigrates them in private, and thinks that they are idiots.

871 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:21am

Mark Steyn on Obama Derangement Sydnrome

David Horowitz thinks I'm falling prey to Obama Derangement Syndrome:
Even as astute a conservative thinker as Mark Steyn has been swept up in the tide that thinks Obama is a “transformative” radical. But look again at his approach to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both cases, as noted, he is carrying out the Bush policies – the same that he once joined his fellow Democrats in condemning. And that should be reassuring to anyone concerned about where he is heading as commander-in-chief

It's true that the Pentagon's unmanned drones are dropping Obama greeting cards on hapless villages in the Pakistani tribal lands even more than in the Bush days. But I would argue that — like Gordon Brown's non-working DVDs — that's a function more of the president's indifference to foreign affairs and the wider world. His priorities are domestic — as one might expect from a community organizer — and in that arena he is certainly a transformative radical. If I sound deranged, it's because I've lived under both the policies (in Britain and Europe) and the charismatic leader (in Trudeau's Canada).

872 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:50am

By the way Hillary Clinton has been singularly unimpressive as Secretary of State as well.

873 popskull  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:08:26pm

As an Obama supporter, I'm really fascinated by the attitudes expressed towards him on what I would term "the far right". These memes…he's a Communist (whatever that means nowadays), he is a shallow naïve fool, or, contrarily, a Machiavellian operator of exceptional cunning; that he wants to command an army of armed Obamabots who will put heartland patriots into concentration camps; it’s just stunning to me.

I’m also amazed by the continuing use of the "messiah" meme to refer to him. In the fifteen months since I’ve discovered him and financially supported him and met with other supporters in real life and over the interwebs, I haven't met a single fellow supporter who believed him to be other than a intelligent man, well-educated, with a temperate character. The idea that any of us would consider him a "messiah"…I think we’re just too realistic, too hard-headed for hero worship.

I’ve met none who is what you folks call an "LLL"; I've met no one but generic urban centrists (fiscally conservative, socially liberal.) I've met none who want dramatic, permanent increases in government power, or forced gay Marxist cross-dressing for the high-school wrestling team, or any of the other myriad concepts that my fellows find barking mad.

I'm trying to put myself in the mental shoes of some of you, and I'll see if I succeed in gaining understanding. I really would like to understand you, because we have to live together in this country and get it fixed.

874 BethesdaDog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:23:12am

Obama really is a narcissist--but so was Bill Clinton. Many people who seek the public limelight, as politicians do, are narcissists.

The best and one of the earliest articles on Obama's narcissism was written by Charles Krauthammer, who would be well qualified to make that judgment, since Krauthammer is a trained psychiatrist (and I think, board certified).


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