You have got to be kidding me.
YouTube has suspended the account of the James Randi Foundation, one of the foremost rationalist organizations in the United States?
This is an outrage. YouTube — where you can easily find disgusting, violent jihadi videos, and vile antisemitic garbage like this — is now protecting the delicate feelings of creationists and phony psychics. Shame on YouTube. Shame.
5 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:30:35pm |
I can't listen to youtube here at home, and I gather there's a narration.
If psychics (!) are being protected, pop culture is doomed.
| 6 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:30:41pm |
YouTube seems to suspend accounts too easily. They need to look more carefully at material being questioned instead of just pulling vids that get complaints.
| 7 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:30:49pm |
I must be more tired than I thought.
I thought that headline was "Youtube Bans Bra."
| 8 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:32:19pm |
The voice in the video sounds like the same one in some of the creationist smackdown videos I've seen- I think gmsc linked to one last night.
| 9 |
Afrocity Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:32:53pm |
re: #7 Catttt
I must be more tired than I thought.
I thought that headline was "Youtube Bans Bra."
Me too Catt, I thought it said You Tube Bans James Bond.
I think I am gonna take a break, do my nightly skincare routine, get a bowl of ice cream, and put on the jammys.
be back later.
| 11 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:33:10pm |
From this video's youtube page:
To complain to youtube follow this link;
[Link: www.google.com...]
Scroll to the very bottom and click on "new issue"
Select "suspended account" from the options and express your opinion.
The mediafire link is;
[Link: www.mediafire.com...]
Thank you
| 13 |
swamprat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:35:39pm |
Insane. The man is nothing if not polite. He isn't even arrogant. If he really gets going, sometimes he is vaguely snide.
He's just so darned.........Sensible!
| 14 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:35:45pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
OH! And now that link doesn't work either.
Here's the link:
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 15 |
Racer X Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:35:46pm |
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
| 17 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:36:04pm |
Randi.org reports:
Our YouTube account has been suspended, which means all of the Randi Speaks and other JREF videos are temporarily unavailable. We're researching the problem, and will be back online as soon as possible. Thanks very much for your patience.
I'm sure this will be settled soon.
I never saved Randi's youtube addresses because I always felt they'd be on the site forever, but from now on I will backup a copy on my computer. Thanks youtube for convincing me to take videos from your site!
| 18 |
sharon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:36:27pm |
Yeah... That's pretty astonishing. I followed the link to the Google help page to express my indignation and will Twitter the link so others can too.
| 19 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:36:42pm |
This is the guy who busts frauds and con artists? He is awesome!
| 20 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:37:35pm |
So are they going to wipe Penn & Teller next?
| 21 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:37:38pm |
re: #9 Afrocity
Me too Catt, I thought it said You Tube Bans James Bond.
I think I am gonna take a break, do my nightly skincare routine, get a bowl of ice cream, and put on the jammys.
be back later.
LOL So did I. I thought..WTF? How is this a topic for a Monday night thread? Saturday maybe but not Monday!
| 22 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:38:44pm |
The only explanation that I have is that some fringe crowd organized and pelted youtube with complaints.
It's not as if youtube really has a clue about anything, they just want everyone to be happy... unless they are from Israel...
| 23 |
tedzilla99 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:38:45pm |
It's google, what do you expect? Leftists with money are very dangerous.
| 24 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:39:04pm |
| 25 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:39:54pm |
re: #15 Racer X
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
Seems good to me. I'd have check the head and leg room though: at 6'4" I need of both.
| 26 |
JohnAdams Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:40:25pm |
re: #23 tedzilla99
It's google, what do you expect? Leftists with money are very dangerous.
George Soros is very dangerous.
| 27 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:40:44pm |
re: #23 tedzilla99
It's google, what do you expect? Leftists with money are very dangerous.
In fairness, Randi's latest youtube addresses have "attacked" (if you can call a reasoned argument that) Christianity. So I'm betting it were some po'ed religious loons constantly flagging the video that caused the suspension. I expect the account to be up in a day or two.
| 28 |
mikeymom Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:40:51pm |
when will this purge stop? is this the start of censorship under the o watch? heaven help!
| 29 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:41:14pm |
re: #23 tedzilla99
It's google, what do you expect? Leftists with money are very dangerous.
But leftists in principle - at least your archetypal, North Eastern college educated type is generally pro science. This has to be the work of the more stupid less educated feel-good people auto responding to a mass of hate mail.
| 30 |
Steve Rogers Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:42:05pm |
With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller...
First YouTube banned James Randi, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn't a skeptic.
Then YouTube banned those critical of [insert any politician], but I didn’t speak up because I supported that politician.
Then YouTube banned the Jews, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then YouTube banned me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up.
| 31 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:42:27pm |
re: #14 Charles
Here's the link:
[Link: www.google.com...]
Thanks. I've completely forgotten my youtube account info. But for Mr. Randi, I will create a new one just to help him.
| 32 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:42:57pm |
re: #28 mikeymom
when will this purge stop? is this the start of censorship under the o watch? heaven help!
This one has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with creationists who are offended by the arguments Randi presents.
| 33 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:43:25pm |
re: #19 Alouette
This is the guy who busts frauds and con artists? He is awesome!
I credit 2 things with making me a rationalist: Scooby Doo and James Randi.
| 34 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:43:48pm |
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
| 35 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:44:17pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Seems good to me. I'd have check the head and leg room though: at 6'4" I need alot of both.
PIMF
| 36 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:44:36pm |
re: #33 Dianna
I credit 2 things with making me a rationalist: Scooby Doo and James Randi.
They truly are the kings of kings...
| 37 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:44:46pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
Not tonight. I just can't take it.
| 38 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:44:50pm |
Uploaded to my channel. And - it's up. More than 500 mirrors, so far.
| 39 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:45:00pm |
re: #14 Charles
Hey Charles - I went to your link and it said I had to log in to YouTube - not Google. I'm not a member of YouTube - do you have to be member to file a complaint about this travesty?
| 41 |
sngnsgt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:45:46pm |
re: #15 Racer X
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
That's all fine and good, but will Chim-Chim and Spritle fit in the trunk?
| 44 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:46:45pm |
re: #36 Basho
They truly are the kings of kings...
At least if you're of the right bent at an impressionable age.
I remember watching Randi come on the Mike Davis (?) Show the week after Uri Geller had been on, and duplicate every single one of his tricks, and do them better. Then show variations.
I've never forgotten.
| 45 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:02pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
Bad, psychotic, sick. How can someone come to hate that much?
| 46 |
tedzilla99 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:09pm |
re: #29 LudwigVanQuixote
But leftists in principle - at least your archetypal, North Eastern college educated type is generally pro science. This has to be the work of the more stupid less educated feel-good people auto responding to a mass of hate mail.
I'm more talking about them leaving up the jihad vids and helping China censor dissidents. And don't forget that the left is full of new agers and other weirdos that James Randi probably debunks as well.
| 47 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:47:35pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
Bad, psychotic, sick. How can someone come to hate that much?
By being inadequate and unable to take action to become adequate.
| 48 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:01pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
Oh boy, I've seen quite enough of those in the past couple of years. That they exist does not surprise me. That Youtube allows them to be broadcast while blocking rational argument bothers me to no end.
| 49 |
WindHorse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:09pm |
....straightening my bow tie.... and stepping through the overgrown hedge...
ahhh yes, much better!
| 50 |
kynna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:48:19pm |
re: #30 Steve Rogers
With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller...
First YouTube banned James Randi, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn't a skeptic.
Then YouTube banned those critical of [insert any politician], but I didn’t speak up because I supported that politician.
Then YouTube banned the Jews, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then YouTube banned me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up.
By that time I was posting all my shit on Veoh and Vimeo and anyone else who would have me and nobody was using YouTube anymore.
| 52 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:18pm |
re: #44 Dianna
I remember watching Randi come on the Mike Davis (?) Show the week after Uri Geller had been on, and duplicate every single one of his tricks, and do them better. Then show variations.
That's a classic. I'm too young to have seen it at the time but thanks to youtube I did manage to see it. A terrific site despite its many errors.
| 53 |
JohnAdams Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:20pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
Where? Not finding it.
| 54 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:49:57pm |
re: #38 CattttHey Cattt! I'd really like to complain to YouTube - I write good e-mails of complaint, but really don't want to be a member. I'm hoping CHARLES will answer my question in #39, but while I wait could you please tell me how to "mirror" that?
| 55 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:50:48pm |
re: #39 realwest
Hey Charles - I went to your link and it said I had to log in to YouTube - not Google. I'm not a member of YouTube - do you have to be member to file a complaint about this travesty?
Yes, you do have to be a member.
| 57 |
kynna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:52:04pm |
re: #50 kynna
By that time I was posting all my shit on Veoh and Vimeo and anyone else who would have me and nobody was using YouTube anymore.
I mean no disrespect to the Amazing Randi. I'm a fan. I hope all those who find themselves knocked off YouTube will find another site and an audience over there.
| 58 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:52:27pm |
re: #39 realwest
Hey Charles - I went to your link and it said I had to log in to YouTube - not Google. I'm not a member of YouTube - do you have to be member to file a complaint about this travesty?
Try here is you don't want to establish your own account:
[Link: www.bugmenot.com...]
| 59 |
hiddenlizard Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:53:58pm |
do we know why exactly this happened? Also: rationalist is a tricky word, considering it has connotations with people like Descartes. Randi is more scientific than anything else.
| 60 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:54:03pm |
Aw, fuck YouTube. I considered registering there once so I could comment on stuff, but after seeing the caliber of commentary there (for most things, but not all) I decided against it.
I didn't see the point of going through the trouble of registration just to type the reply "You are a fucking idiot" thousands of times.
Anyway, one commenter on the vid that is the topic of this thread wonders:
Does this have anything to do with the fucking UN decision to block the criticism of religions?
Seems a valid question.
| 61 |
Bloodnok Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:55:26pm |
Long-winded Lizards take note: The complaint form only allows 350 characters.
I had to cut some of my best material.... Oh well, they got the message.
| 64 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:11pm |
re: #59 hiddenlizard
do we know why exactly this happened? Also: rationalist is a tricky word, considering it has connotations with people like Descartes. Randi is more scientific than anything else.
Randi's a magician. He cheats. He knows how cheating works. It's why he's so good at debunking.
To be good at cheating, you have to be rational. You have to understand reality, and how to manipulate others into believing that the impossible just happened.
Randi has always advocated using one's eyes and brain.
| 65 |
kynna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:19pm |
As Charles has pointed out, there's a large Creationist faction of fundamental Islam. They tend to get things done when they want them done.
Randi really should be researching other options. There's no reason why he shouldn't have his videos up and running again in a day or two. Depending on YouTube is like depending on the government. A bad idea.
| 66 |
JohnAdams Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:58:56pm |
re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth
Most of the commenters on YouTube are imbeciles. These are the people ACORN brought in to sway the election for Obama. This will continue to be a problem, and including the Census.
| 67 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 30, 2009 8:59:50pm |
re: #58 Basho
Try here is you don't want to establish your own account:
[Link: www.bugmenot.com...]
And a note to stalkers: see what happens if you try to use bugmenot to sneak into LGF.
| 68 |
abolitionist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:46pm |
Video: James Randi vs. Dowsing - 22feb09 thread on LGF
The James Randi Educational Foundation has a standing offer of a million dollars to anyone who can prove that they are able to dowse—the woo-woo practice of detecting hidden objects like water, pipes, wires, etc., with the aid of metal or wooden rods. Here’s Randi’s classic response to a dowser who is threatening legal action unless Randi pays up.
/ YouTube video featured
| 69 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:00:47pm |
re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth
That UN thing is being blown a bit out of proportion, though. It was the human right's council that made that vote, not the full assembly.
| 70 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:01:17pm |
re: #67 Charles
And a note to stalkers: see what happens if you try to use bugmenot to sneak into LGF.
Is it amusing?
| 71 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:02:13pm |
re: #55 Charles Ok - just joined and am awaiting password verification or somesuch to my e-mail.
Only joined to protest this action of YouTube - but might as well protest the Anti-Semitic crap they have on there too.
| 72 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:03:41pm |
re: #58 Basho
Thanks Basho, but I prefer to use my real e-mail addy and all. I'm not particularly afraid of YouTube or Google.
| 73 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:05:36pm |
re: #14 Charles
I sent them this:
"Please do the world a favor and reinstate the account: jamesrandifoundation
This organization is one of the premier scientific rationalist organizations in the world. You will host thousands of keel-the-joos, Death to America, jihadi videos but not those hosted by an upstanding organization like this? This is TOO MUCH."
| 74 |
Idle Drifter Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:10pm |
re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth
Numerous Trolls and Sock-puppets with plenty of that population not realizing their trolls. I did get into quit a few exchanges that often resulted in what could be considered YouTube attrition. For some reason the other side never liked my sarcasm or laughing at their feeble attempts to insult me.
There is a growing tendency of using our stance against socialism as an argument that we are against schools, military service, government, etc. by labeling them as socialist programs. I got the same argument from family earlier this month while visiting them after getting laid off. So they are trying to use our talking points against us. What rule was that under Rules for Radicals?
| 75 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:21pm |
re: #67 Charles
And a note to stalkers: see what happens if you try to use bugmenot to sneak into LGF.
They get banned at the IP level and reported to law enforcement?
| 76 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:50pm |
re: #33 Dianna
I credit 2 things with making me a rationalist: Scooby Doo and James Randi.
Rooby Doo!
| 77 |
unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:07:51pm |
re: #61 Bloodnok
Long-winded Lizards take note: The complaint form only allows 350 characters.
I had to cut some of my best material.... Oh well, they got the message.
When a complaint form has limited characters like that, you just know they don't give a monkeys f**k what you have to say.
| 78 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:08pm |
Do we know what caused Youtube to ban him? Creationists? Dowsers?
| 79 |
Etaoin Shrdlu Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:08:14pm |
re: #67 Charles
And a note to stalkers: see what happens if you try to use bugmenot to sneak into LGF.
Is that your doing, or theirs?
| 80 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:13pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
They get banned at the IP level and reported to law enforcement?
No, they are reported to........ The Israeli Lobby!@
Mwahahaha
| 81 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:09:26pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Do we know what caused Youtube to ban him? Creationists? Dowsers?
I hope it was the dowsers, just for the comedy value.
| 82 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:10pm |
If anyone doesn't know this:
If you like a youtube video (or any other flash video - liveleak, etc...), and you think it might not be there forever, download RealPlayer. Even the free version has a browser plugin which allows you to download the actual video to your PC. I mouse over a video and a little box pops up with a link that says "download this video". I click the box, it downloads the video, I play anytime I want with Realplayer or any other player that plays .flv files. (I prefer winamp for playback of these).
| 84 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:26pm |
I've been a fan of the Amazing Randi for 41 years! I'll try to keep up, but how is he offensive or controversial?
| 85 |
pat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:10:31pm |
THIS IS BULLSHIT! RANDI IS WONDERFUL. AND HAS DONE GREAT WORK!
| 86 |
hiddenlizard Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:00pm |
re: #67 Charles
And a note to stalkers: see what happens if you try to use bugmenot to sneak into LGF.
I think it redirects you to goatse D:
| 87 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:26pm |
OK, set up stupid account and sent complaint (this time only about jamesrandifoundation. Hope it does some good, but geez, they don't let you say very much. So I cut out a lot and pretty much demanded they reinstate that account.
| 88 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:29pm |
re: #81 Dianna
Dowse those who insult the forked stick!
| 89 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:11:42pm |
re: #84 BatGuano
I've been a fan of the Amazing Randi for 41 years! I'll try to keep up, but how is he offensive or controversial?
One of his recent videos laid out the evidence that there was no town of Nazareth while Jesus was alive. I had a feeling that might anger a lot of people. That's my guess.
| 90 |
arcatan Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:02pm |
A champion for skeptics? Hmmm ... I was thinking skeptics could think for themselves.
| 91 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:12pm |
re: #80 Basho
No, they are reported to........ The Israeli Lobby!@
Mwahahaha
That reminds me: please remember to make sure your your direct deposit forms are updated. Don't delay and risk missing a Zionist payoff!
////
| 92 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:24pm |
re: #89 Basho
Hmmm, why would that upset dowsers?
/
| 93 |
Idle Drifter Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:12:30pm |
re: #80 Basho
| 95 |
hiddenlizard Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:22pm |
re: #89 Basho
One of his recent videos laid out the evidence that there was no town of Nazareth while Jesus was alive. I had a feeling that might anger a lot of people. That's my guess.
Yikes. Good point. Now I really want to see that video!
| 96 |
Bloodnok Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:48pm |
| 97 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:50pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Dowse those who insult the forked stick!
They who insult the cleft stick speak with forked tongues? Nah.
| 98 |
Macker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:52pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Do we know what caused Youtube to ban him? Creationists? Dowsers?
Wasn't YouTube cofounded by a Muslim?
| 99 |
famousmortimer78 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:13:55pm |
Does this mean the telekinetics have banded together?
DAMN YOU MICHAEL IRONSIDE!
| 100 |
MPH Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:39pm |
This is a most outrageous story. James Randi censored! I can imagine how upset he rightfully must be tonight...and considering who they don't ban...what the hell is going on over there?
About a year ago, in response to a troubling vibe I felt emanating from the Obama presidential campaign, I created the following video under the pseudonym cakesecret. I utilized a song from one of my favorite bands, CAKE, to compare the Obama movement to a religious movement. Charles even posted the video here on LGF (he didn't know it was me). The video became viral almost immediately, quickly generating over 100K views before YouTube/Google censored it.
More on the censorship here: [Link: www.cakesecret.com...]
YouTube is being abused by the crazy -- and they don't seem too interested in getting their act together.
| 101 |
Macker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:51pm |
re: #99 famousmortimer78
Does this mean the telekinetics have banded together?
DAMN YOU MICHAEL IRONSIDE!
Which series is this referring to?
| 102 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:14:59pm |
re: #96 Bloodnok
No that was Bowser! (I can't believe I remembered that and couldn't remember where the hell I put my keys this morning!).
| 103 |
pat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:42pm |
Even when I disagree with Randi, his view is very important. He is thoughtful and scientific. He sometimes takes on things that are beyond he and his compatriots to deal with. But the same is also true for those who conjecture on the other side. He is always rationale.
| 104 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:55pm |
That was fun. I just downloaded all my vids and converted them to my iPod.
| 105 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:15:59pm |
Well, got it mirrored and set up as a video response. I also contacted youtube about the suspension.
| 107 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:05pm |
re: #94 realwest
Hi Dianna - um, what's a "Dowser"?!
One who uses a variety of methods - my favorite is a plumb-bob - to find water or hidden objects.
Some people use a forked branch, held at an awkward angle. Others use a brass rod; one fellow I knew - quite a clever faker - used untwisted wire coathangers.
| 108 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:16:18pm |
| 109 |
jaunte Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:14pm |
When you leave a note for Youtube, here's a reasonable suggestion from "Cluebot" at richarddawkins.net:
It's the official JREF channel that's been suspended, confirmed on the JREF website here:
[Link: www.randi.org...]
Misuse of YouTube's feedback systems (e.g. flagging campaigns, false DMCA claims and rating 'bots) to suppress contentious opinions is sadly a common occurrence, though this has to be one of the most respectable and high profile victims yet.
I say we should not place all - or even most - of the blame on YouTube, though. They're the one group of people we need on our side to get the misuse issues fixed, and we can both benefit from achieving that goal. No, blame the jerks who are gaming YouTube's system to remove that annoying cognitive dissonance from their little fantasy world. I doubt any of them ever thought of the trouble they cause for YouTube's staff when they indulge in this pathetic activity.
I suspect their chilling effects go much further than the victims who are silenced. YouTube's community moderators must surely be in despair for having to arbitrate over this nonsense; I can easily imagine all such content pushed out of public view simply because the chaos created by these malcontents is too costly to control.
Don't boycott YouTube. Help it become a better place for us. For a start, we need to persuade them that something as subjective as personal offence is an unworkable criterion for censorship. Just getting that established will help cut through a lot of the unwarranted flagging.
[Link: richarddawkins.net...]
| 110 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:19pm |
re: #86 hiddenlizard
I think it redirects you to goatse D:
What's goatse?
/jk/jk/jk/jk/jk/jk/jk/jk/jk//////
| 111 |
Randall Gross Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:21pm |
There's a whole creationist downding/report brigade on youtube, they've also gotten the narrator of the vid banned in the past, and he was mounting a campaign against youtube based on that last time I checked up on him.
| 112 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:42pm |
re: #107 Dianna
WHAT?!? They can find water with a plumb-bob? Oh that's just bullshit.
Oh, wait, I get your comment now.
Thankew!
| 113 |
c6gunner Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:17:51pm |
re: #90 arcatan
How does thinking for yourself preclude respecting great individuals?
| 114 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:18:29pm |
re: #108 Basho
Didn't he kidnap Princess Toadstool?
Yep, and then Mario used his Hammer Brothers suit to knock Bowser out.
//
| 115 |
victor_yugo Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:05pm |
re: #107 Dianna
One who uses a variety of methods - my favorite is a plumb-bob - to find water or hidden objects.
Some people use a forked branch, held at an awkward angle. Others use a brass rod; one fellow I knew - quite a clever faker - used untwisted wire coathangers.
How did you prove he was a faker?
| 116 |
pat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:19:34pm |
But I suppose Muslim Djinn videos are just fine. Will commence search.
| 117 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:07pm |
I am a member of youtube only because I wanted a way to share the videos we were making at science class with the parents and grandparents of the kids.
I disabled the comments and added as few tags as I could. I don't care what the youtube regulars have to say about the kids and their experiments.
| 118 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:08pm |
re: #112 realwest
WHAT?!? They can find water with a plumb-bob? Oh that's just bullshit.
Oh, wait, I get your comment now.
Thankew!
I learned dowsing and a few other things, years ago. Mentalist techniques are amazing fun at parties, too.
| 119 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:37pm |
re: #100 MPH
WOW, I never saw that before. What a great job. BRAVO!
| 122 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:20:55pm |
re: #109 jaunte Hi Juante and thanks, thanks a lot. I just joined YouTube to be able to and did file a complaint!
Damnit - I coulda used that information you provided.
| 123 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:10pm |
re: #115 victor_yugo
How did you prove he was a faker?
A bucket of water in the closet under the stairs.
He was rather better than most - he would insist on having someone "guide" him while blindfolded.
| 124 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:21:31pm |
My only problem with Randi was that he became a "debunker". I'm a skeptic and would rather that ideas be presented that way.
| 125 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:06pm |
re: #118 Dianna
Have you decided how you will handle the engagement ring scenario?
| 126 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:08pm |
re: #69 Sharmuta
Thanks. I honestly know very little about what the UN did there.
| 128 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:28pm |
re: #124 BatGuano
My only problem with Randi was that he became a "debunker". I'm a skeptic and would rather that ideas be presented that way.
He was a debunker back in the 70's.
| 129 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:22:58pm |
re: #125 pink freud
Have you decided how you will handle the engagement ring scenario?
I have. It's been written, I just finished the twist this evening.
| 131 |
victor_yugo Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:14pm |
re: #128 Dianna
He was a debunker back in the 70's.
IIRC, his first big claim to fame was the "poltergeist" case, where the teenage girl would hook her finger around the lamp's electric cord and pull it down while pretending to be "under attack."
| 132 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:19pm |
re: #124 BatGuano
My only problem with Randi was that he became a "debunker". I'm a skeptic and would rather that ideas be presented that way.
Randi hates the word debunker. He prefers investigator or skeptic. The last person who called him a debunker... I shudder at the memory of what happened to him.
| 133 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:21pm |
Youtube is now a festering bucket. Anything that was good that was ever created there has moved on or moved elsewhere. Let it die.
| 134 |
M. Bensson-Levi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:24:22pm |
re: #107 Dianna
One who uses a variety of methods - my favorite is a plumb-bob - to find water or hidden objects.
Some people use a forked branch, held at an awkward angle. Others use a brass rod; one fellow I knew - quite a clever faker - used untwisted wire coathangers.
I've had good success, now and then, finding underground water pipes with a backhoe.
| 135 |
victor_yugo Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:25:35pm |
re: #134 M. Bensson-Levi
I've had good success, now and then, finding underground water pipes with a backhoe.
But not power lines, I hope.
| 137 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:33pm |
re: #9 Afrocity
Me too Catt, I thought it said You Tube Bans James Bond.
I think I am gonna take a break, do my nightly skincare routine, get a bowl of ice cream, and put on the jammys.
be back later.
ICE CREAM! Gahhhhhhh. /dieting
| 138 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:47pm |
re: #131 victor_yugo
IIRC, his first big claim to fame was the "poltergeist" case, where the teenage girl would hook her finger around the lamp's electric cord and pull it down while pretending to be "under attack."
I'm not sure. I remember him from when I was quite a young kid, though.
He taught me that I can always be fooled, but I don't have to volunteer for it.
| 139 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:26:50pm |
re: #129 Dianna
Good! You shall have to let us know how it turns out.
(I'm very curious about this book you are writing. I want to write my own one day.)
| 140 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:27:21pm |
re: #132 Basho
Randi hates the word debunker. He prefers investigator or skeptic. The last person who called him a debunker... I shudder at the memory of what happened to him.
I didn't know that. Thanks.
| 141 |
M. Bensson-Levi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:16pm |
| 142 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:28:24pm |
re: #134 M. Bensson-Levi
I've had good success, now and then, finding underground water pipes with a backhoe.
Yeah, some city people in Contra Costa County found a gas line, that way, a couple years back.
| 143 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:12pm |
re: #139 pink freud
Good! You shall have to let us know how it turns out.
(I'm very curious about this book you are writing. I want to write my own one day.)
I can always add you to the reader list.
| 144 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:29:35pm |
re: #133 Buster Bunny
Youtube is now a festering bucket. Anything that was good that was ever created there has moved on or moved elsewhere. Let it die.
There are still some great things to be found there. Here, have a listen:
| 145 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:04pm |
We have some very creative youtube-ers here on LGF.
I didn't realize that the HowTheWorldWorks dude is here too until today. I was going to respond with kudos in another thread, I watch him as much as I've watched 'Zo.
(Then again, who knows, Limbaugh, Hannity...George W., they could be Lizards, we would never know. :))
And that's pretty neat.
| 146 |
victor_yugo Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:24pm |
re: #132 Basho
Randi hates the word debunker. He prefers investigator or skeptic. The last person who called him a debunker... I shudder at the memory of what happened to him.
Made the person "disappear" in one of his stage tricks?
| 147 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:31pm |
re: #137 Catttt
ICE CREAM! Gahhhhhhh. /dieting
I found some low fat ice vanilla cream(Kroger premium brand) that's not half bad. The added bonus is that it tastes like the soft serve ice cream youu get at the DQ. Yum.
| 148 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:55pm |
Well, I'm going to walk dogs and head for bed.
Take care, and I hope Randi's back up shortly.
| 149 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:30:55pm |
re: #140 Dianna
I didn't know that. Thanks.
I would post the links to the videos where Randi expresses his distaste for the label debunker, but, you know, the videos are gone. Curses!
| 151 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:31:49pm |
re: #145 Taqiyyotomist
We have some very creative youtube-ers here on LGF.
I didn't realize that the HowTheWorldWorks dude is here too until today. I was going to respond with kudos in another thread, I watch him as much as I've watched 'Zo.
(Then again, who knows, Limbaugh, Hannity...George W., they could be Lizards, we would never know. :))
And that's pretty neat.
What name does he use here?
| 152 |
UncleSam Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:32:16pm |
re: #100 MPH
Wow! That was a great video!
Very professionally done.
| 153 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:32:25pm |
re: #132 Basho
MY distinction between a debunker and skeptic is this: A debunker has decided that something is not true and will ignore any evidence to the contrary. A skeptic,although not believing, will evaluate the evidence and then make a decision.
| 154 |
Claire Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:45pm |
Does the account get suspended automatically by software when enough people flag it, or is this done by an actual person? Anybody know?
| 155 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:33:53pm |
re: #151 Buster Bunny
I don't remember, truly. I can't even remember which thread he was on earlier, but I always had a suspicion when watching his vids that he was either a frequent reader or even a poster.
Hold, I'll do a LGF search for today/yesterday.
| 156 |
Neo Con since 9-11 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:34:39pm |
| 157 |
M. Bensson-Levi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:00pm |
re: #142 Dianna
Yeah, some city people in Contra Costa County found a gas line, that way, a couple years back.
Impossible. City people think that a backhoe is a prostitute that works in a massage parlor. Must have been a good 'ole boy that they hired.
| 158 |
astronmr20 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:07pm |
re: #15 Racer X
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
Only $47,000 after government rebate.
For filling the "tank" for only $4, this is beginning to make a lot of sense.
| 159 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:21pm |
| 160 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:44pm |
re: #54 realwest
Hey Cattt! I'd really like to complain to YouTube - I write good e-mails of complaint, but really don't want to be a member. I'm hoping CHARLES will answer my question in #39, but while I wait could you please tell me how to "mirror" that?
To mirror the video, you have to be a youtube member. It's easy - you just download the video (there is a link in the info on the vid - they have a copy posted on another Web site), then upload it to your account, copying and pasting the info and the tags.
I checked the contact us thing on youtube, and your youtube user name is a required field, so you have to be a member to send it.
| 161 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:35:46pm |
re: #157 M. Bensson-Levi
Impossible. City people think that a backhoe is a prostitute that works in a massage parlor. Must have been a good 'ole boy that they hired.
Ahahahahaha....
| 162 |
esch Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:21pm |
| 163 |
jaunte Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:31pm |
re: #154 Claire
From this article, it looks like they don't police anything until someone complains.
A spokesman for YouTube said the site prefers to rely on its community to police itself. "We don't prescreen content," he said. "That's the key to our community. Fifteen hours of video uploaded every minute to YouTube. That's a staggering amount of user-generated content. We count on our community to know our community guidelines and flag content that violates the guidelines."
[Link: www.informationweek.com...]
| 164 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:36:55pm |
Does this seem like a reasonably worded complaint? This is what I'm sending them:
This complaint addresses the supension of the account of the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF).
I hope that this is a simple matter of some clown of a youtube employee pressing the wrong button somewhere; I'm trying hard not to put it down to youtube cravenly pandering to the whining of intolerant religious/woo-woo morons.
Either way, please get it fixed pronto; reinstate JREF's account.
| 165 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:31pm |
Ok, I'm back from my search.
Devil's Advocate.
(lol, I'm sloooow tonight.)
| 166 |
Basho Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:37pm |
re: #153 BatGuano
MY distinction between a debunker and skeptic is this: A debunker has decided that something is not true and will ignore any evidence to the contrary. A skeptic,although not believing, will evaluate the evidence and then make a decision.
That is Randi's exact definition. Hence why he hates debunker.
| 167 |
astronmr20 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:37:53pm |
re: #164 Jimmah
Does this seem like a reasonably worded complaint? This is what I'm sending them:
Not really.
| 168 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:38:40pm |
| 169 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:36pm |
re: #162 esch
LMAO that was my nick on the first BBS I was ever on.
My first nickname ever .. was Loose Cannon.
| 170 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:39:37pm |
re: #158 astronmr20
Only $47,000 after government rebate.
For filling the "tank" for only $4, this is beginning to make a lot of sense.
Of course, after 300 miles, you have to stop for 4 hours to recharge, if there is a 220 volt outlet you can use.
That's still a problem.
| 172 |
stevieray Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:40:13pm |
Could this be due to the new UN resolution protecting religion?
| 174 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:41:46pm |
One of my subscriptions, Wael Abbas, got banned last year - he posts from Egypt, and he got hit with idiots flagging. He is well-known in ME blogging and has won awards.
Here is his channel - a lot of the vid notes are in Arabic, but some are not.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
His subscribers and supporters appealed, and youtube was somewhat embarrassed, but not as much as they should be - they do not vet these things at all - they just go by the numbers. His account was restored, and all his vids put back. He has hundreds, so he was freaking out, let me tell you. He was really hopping mad about it, and I don't blame him.
| 175 |
esch Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:42:03pm |
re: #172 stevieray
Could this be due to the new UN resolution protecting religion?
That was my initial suspicion. I'm sure it's mixed up in this somewhere.
| 177 |
Wishing Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:49pm |
re: #164 Jimmah
Does this seem like a reasonably worded complaint? This is what I'm sending them:
Thanks, I borrowed that.
| 178 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:43:51pm |
re: #172 stevieray
Could this be due to the new UN resolution protecting religion?
Well, then we should all complain about any videos calling Jews "sons of pigs and monkeys" and see if they remove them.
| 179 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:02pm |
| 180 |
esch Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:45:51pm |
re: #162 esch
"I was ever on" ?
*sigh*
Really, I'm not 12. Even though sometimes my grammar implies it.
| 181 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:23pm |
re: #177 Wishing
Thanks, I borrowed that.
Cheers. You'll have to trim it a little to get it under the required 350 word count though.
| 182 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:35pm |
re: #178 Kosh's Shadow
The UN is going to protect religion in general? I know they protect one particular religion.
| 183 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:46:53pm |
The UN resolution has more to do with Islam than anything else. Probably not newagers.
Then again, I used to read some Christian fiction, forgot the author's name, or the books for that matter. They featured angels that the narrarator could see and portray, but that the human characters could not. Cool books, in a speculative fiction sort of way, but they did have a lot of paranoia about Satanic Newagers in the UN, and in our schools (transcendental meditation being taught to gradeschoolers by the new-worlders, etc...)
Maybe the UN is full of newagers, as well as Islamists. It really would come as absolutely no surprise to me if the crystalworshippers and navel-gazers were represented as heavily as the OIC types. No surprise at all.
| 184 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:47:20pm |
re: #176 swamprat
Yes, that's what I meant. :) It's late.
| 185 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:49:02pm |
re: #164 Jimmah
Hey Jimmah! I'd make one little change if I were you:
"I hope that this is a simple matter of some error committed by clown of a youtube employee. There can be no legitimate reason to ban the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF)."
Just a suggestion, try to give 'em a decent way out of performing an indecent and stupid act.
| 186 |
swamprat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:49:25pm |
I am going to pray that Randi's account will be reinstated.
Catholics, pagans and Hindi; please light a candle.
You Buddhists; please try to put youtube on the right path.
| 187 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:49:33pm |
re: #178 Kosh's Shadow
Well, then we should all complain about any videos calling Jews "sons of pigs and monkeys" and see if they remove them.
That's a good idea. We'd (several of us would) have to devote all day to doing it, like the CAIR crowd does, though, for it to have any noticable effect on the volume of jihadi vids.
| 188 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:51:31pm |
re: #160 Catttt OK, thanks, I joined YouTube tonight and will try that!
Thank you.
| 189 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:14pm |
re: #182 BatGuano
The World will circle wagons around any religion that is not true.
IOW, they only hate a couple of them.
There is a reason Jews and Christians are so hated, and only one.
YHWH is actually true. Everything else is cool. It should be bleeding obvious.
| 190 |
swamprat Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:52:42pm |
re: #184 Taqiyyotomist
Was a joke on debunker vs skeptic. I was just having fun.
Doubtful works too.
see post 166
| 194 |
Colonel Panik Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:54:00pm |
Well, they haven't silenced the Magnificent Carnac yet...
| 195 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:55:10pm |
Out for one more Obamarette, I'll check back before sleepytime.
| 197 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 9:58:57pm |
re: #185 realwest
The clown comment had to go as it happens, but only to get under the req. character count. This is what I sent:
Re the supension of the account of the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). I'm hoping this is a simple mistake and not down to youtube cravenly pandering to the whining of intolerant religious/woo-woo morons. Either way, please get it fixed pronto;reinstate JREF's account.
I expect JREF's account will be back up in a day or two; but meantime youtube deserves an ear bashing they'll remember for a while.
| 198 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:01:47pm |
| 199 |
funky chicken Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:02:49pm |
off to bed, the daughter caught the yucky cold and I am feeling a bit off. I'll use her account to send something tomorrow.
I guess there are advantages to having a teenager in the house after all...
| 200 |
Steffan Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:02:59pm |
It may be an outrage, but it's not necessarily a surprise. YouTube has some questionable standards to begin with.
On a semi-related note, VDH swings for the bleachers again:
I think our president needs to invest more in the use of the third-person "government," since his speeches more and more center on the narcissistic "I" and "me." Even the car-takeover speech was "I-ed" to death. E.g.
My Auto Task ForceAnd so today, I am announcing that my administration will...
In this context, my administration will offer General Motors adequate working capital over the next 60 days. During this time, my team will be working closely with GM to produce a better business plan.
I am committed to doing all I can to see if a deal can be struck...
Now, I know that when people even hear the word "bankruptcy" it can be a bit unsettling, so let me explain what I mean. What I am talking about is..
What I am not talking about is a process where a company is broken up, sold off, and no longer exists. And what I am not talking about is having a company stuck in court for years...
It is my hope that the steps I am announcing...
let me say it as plainly as I can ...
I'm directing my team to take several steps.
I want to work with Congress to identify parts of the Recovery Act..
I am designating a new Director of Recovery for Auto Communities and Workers...
And on and on . . .
Emphasis his, btw.
| 201 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:10pm |
re: #164 Jimmah
cravenly pandering to the whining of intolerant religious/woo-woo morons
That is a classic phrase. Two claws up.
| 202 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:03:16pm |
re: #197 Jimmah
"I expect JREF's account will be back up in a day or two; but meantime youtube deserves an ear bashing they'll remember for a while."
I sure hope so.
| 203 |
hazzyday Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:06:14pm |
Solomon should just suspend the accounts that complained about Randi.
| 204 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:25pm |
James Randi exposes Uri Geller and Peter Popoff
| 205 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:08:33pm |
OBAMA'S MOST PERILOUS LEGAL PICK
"JUDGES should interpret the Constitution according to other nations' legal "norms." Sharia law could apply to disputes in US courts. The United States constitutes an "axis of disobedience" along with North Korea and Saddam-era Iraq.
Those are the views of the man on track to become one of the US government's top lawyers: Harold Koh.
President Obama has nominated Koh -- until last week the dean of Yale Law School -- to be the State Department's legal adviser. In that job, Koh would forge a wide range of international agreements on issues from trade to arms control, and help represent our country in such places as the United Nations and the International Court of Justice."
| 206 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:10:27pm |
James Randi won't cut off your head if you offend him.
He won't sue you with endless nuisance suits if you say, falsely and with intent to defame him, that his debunkings are bunkum.
He won't bring you revenue by cooking up a string of amazing, unbelievable, incredible videos demonstrating how autos can be made to run on pure water but the oil companies won't release the secret, or how water witching can work miracles except if somebody is rude, etc. etc.
He's not dangerous, he doesn't show sufficient respect for popular YouTubers, and his enemies are dangerous. YouTube isn't in business to be honest or rational. It bends with the wind.
The problem isn't so much YouTube, it's that hot fetid wind.
| 207 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:35pm |
re: #205 pink freud
Great comment and great link. I've reported it to Charles in the hope that he might make a thread out of it.
Great work pink Freund!
| 208 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:42pm |
So if I am understanding some of this correctly, account/channel banning on YouTube occurs strictly by ratings/statistics without any thoughtful investigation into the material?
| 209 |
So? Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:15:50pm |
The amazing randy and his 1 million dollar giveaway which is so set up in legal mumbo jumbo that even if you grew 2 heads right in front of his eyes, he'd say you missed #23 of his protocol. No loss. Never visited his site. Don't really care.
| 210 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:16:01pm |
OT to movie music lovers..Maurice Jarre of" Dr. Zhivago" and" Lawrence of Arabia" fame died today.
| 212 |
hazzyday Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:17:21pm |
re: #205 pink freud
It's looks like we need one of those Law and Order boards where they post the faces of all the suspects and incriminating directions about them.
| 213 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:03pm |
re: #207 realwest
Thanks Real!
Just what we need, eh? A sharia friendly judge at the highest levels ....
"Transnational legal process" Scary stuff.
| 214 |
hazzyday Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:18:19pm |
re: #209 So?
The amazing randy and his 1 million dollar giveaway which is so set up in legal mumbo jumbo that even if you grew 2 heads right in front of his eyes, he'd say you missed #23 of his protocol. No loss. Never visited his site. Don't really care.
Sounds like sour grapes karma.
| 215 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:03pm |
re: #210 Bobblehead
OT to movie music lovers..Maurice Jarre of" Dr. Zhivago" and" Lawrence of Arabia" fame died today.
That news is never OT. One of my favorite composers. And the Lawrence of Arabia score was genius.
| 216 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:19:34pm |
re: #212 hazzyday
0bama's hitting us with this stuff so fast and furious it's hard to keep up.
| 217 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:20:22pm |
re: #209 So?
The amazing randy and his 1 million dollar giveaway which is so set up in legal mumbo jumbo that even if you grew 2 heads right in front of his eyes, he'd say you missed #23 of his protocol. No loss. Never visited his site. Don't really care.
Lame.
| 218 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:20:51pm |
re: #209 So?
Yeah- to hell with that free speech stuff. Who needs it. ////
| 219 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:21:37pm |
re: #15 Racer X
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
That's not my driving profile, but the car should have a big market. It's way sexy, it costs next to nothing to fuel, and the range, even in the 160 configuration, is quite sufficient for the daily commute and for some modest side trips. The average buyer won't have this as his or her only car; there will be something else for extended travel.
With a 300 mile range, the car could serve many customers as their only car. After 200 000 miles, assuming you get that from the machine, you'd have spent 32000 on gasoline. With this guy, you've been spared most of that expense. That brings the total lifetime cost down to within reason, even discounting the prestige value of the machine.
Over time, we can hope Tesla Motors will realize economies of scale and be able to mass produce a less expensive model.
| 220 |
Dan G. Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:22:06pm |
My $0.02:
By suspending the James Randi Foundation’s (JREF) account YouTube is severely risking its credibility. The JREF exists to expose individuals who perpetrate fraud, the JREF does not promote any activity that would violate the individual rights of anyone. This egregious error should be immediately rectified by reinstating the JREF's account.
| 221 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:02pm |
re: #215 BatGuano
That news is never OT. One of my favorite composers. And the Lawrence of Arabia score was genius.
Seamless integration of score into movie. Genius is too small a word. You just can't think of "Dr. Zhivago and "Lawrence of Arabia" without the music running through your head.
| 222 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:20pm |
re: #172 stevieray
Could this be due to the new UN resolution protecting religion?
That resolution was only voted on by the human rights council, not the full assembly.
| 223 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:23:51pm |
re: #220 Dan G.
My favorite yet. Gets to the point without using insulting language or rhetoric. +1
| 224 |
Macker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:21pm |
re: #219 lostlakehiker
And perhaps in order for Tesla Motors to live, GM must die.
| 225 |
Dan G. Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:24:52pm |
re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth
Just the facts, sir. ;) Thanks.
| 226 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:02pm |
re: #216 pink freud
0bama's hitting us with this stuff so fast and furious it's hard to keep up.
And of course, I believe it's calculated to-dare I say the words- punch drunk.
| 227 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:16pm |
Pink Freud:
Kudos for your integrity and smacking down Windhorse on the previous thread. We don't need that kind of behavior here. Same with everyone else that told him/her what's what.
| 228 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:25:58pm |
re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth
So if I am understanding some of this correctly, account/channel banning on YouTube occurs strictly by ratings/statistics without any thoughtful investigation into the material?
They seem to go based on numbers a lot, but it is hard to tell for sure.
One thing that I think is relevant to this issue - this is from 2007, but is it the same type of thing. Basically, make spurious DMCA complaints when they are quoted or when their site is quoted. Youtube seems to act on these spurious complaints without any thought at all.
YouTube bans anti-Creationism group for DMCA takedown complaint
YouTube, the world's largest video sharing site owned by Google Inc., has raised some eyebrows by banning the accounts of a group known as the Rational Response Squad after it complained that its videos were being taken down by spurious DMCA requests from Creationists. The group argues that its videos contained material either public domain, covered by fair use, or entirely self-produced.The Creation Science Evangelism Ministries is responsible for the copyright complaints. It was founded by the now-imprisoned tax evader, Kent Hovind. While the videos offered by the Rational Response Squad may have contained quotes or arguments made by Creationists, the Creation Science Evangelism Ministries' websites state, "none of the materials ... are copyrighted, so feel free to copy these and distribute them freely."
| 229 |
clgood Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:26:11pm |
I decided to send YouTube a not-so-polite complaint. I also downloaded the video from mediafire and reposted it to YouTube. The more links the merrier, no?
| 230 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:27:00pm |
re: #226 Bobblehead
PIMF
And of course, I believe it's calculated to keep us-dare I say the words- punch drunk.
| 231 |
pink freud Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:28:01pm |
re: #227 Taqiyyotomist
Thanks for having my back, taqiyyotomist. I said it there and I will say it again ....Charles has the flagship blog; it doesn't get much better than this. I do so dislike seeing it sullied.
| 232 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:28:10pm |
re: #227 Taqiyyotomist
Pink Freud:
Kudos for your integrity and smacking down Windhorse on the previous thread. We don't need that kind of behavior here. Same with everyone else that told him/her what's what.
He/she was getting a little windy.
| 233 |
stevieray Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:28:38pm |
re: #222 Sharmuta
That resolution was only voted on by the human rights council, not the full assembly.
Good. Hope they shoot it down.
I was worried that YouTube was just the first of a coming wave of skittish companies preemptively surrendering to the perpetually aggrieved lobby... international version.
| 235 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:30:15pm |
| 236 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:37pm |
To be fair, this is not an issue of free speech or first amendment rights. The owners of YouTube have the right and the privilege to allow or disallow whatever they like on their property.
This is an issue of poor management, and even poorer moderation. It would seem, according so some comments here, that they ban based solely on ratings and statistics without actually looking at or investigating content. The problem seems to be concerted, organized efforts to exploit a lazy flaw in YT moderation from other users to remove things they dislike. If I am wrong, please correct.
| 237 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:40pm |
And gone with the Bobblehead. I just looked at the clock. Yikes. Time flies when there are so many interesting comments to read.
| 238 |
Macker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:32:52pm |
re: #232 Bobblehead
He/sheIt was getting a little windy.
There, fixed that for ya!
/just in a dingdown mode tonight.... not on you Bobblehead
| 240 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:33:55pm |
re: #231 pink freud
You are absolutely right. I've said it before: I might be the one of the least knowledgable persons here, in almost any subject. I don't know avanti, I've disagreed with him a hundred times, but I've never thought once to insult him, or anyone else, quite like that. We don't need yahoo-chat/youtube-style "debate" here. We don't need Junior High lunchroom kiddies.
I, for the first time, reported one of the last comments wh made. I hope that Charles reads the end of that thread. That was uncalled for.
| 241 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:36:28pm |
re: #229 clgood
I decided to send YouTube a not-so-polite complaint. I also downloaded the video from mediafire and reposted it to YouTube. The more links the merrier, no?
I did one too:
| 242 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:37:36pm |
re: #239 Catttt
I wish I had some ramen. I have: 6 slices of bread, enough PB for one sammy, a half-box of cream of wheat, and a can of cream of chicken.
Payday's next wednesday.
| 244 |
Dan G. Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:37:55pm |
re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth
You are dead right about the free speech non-issue. I don't know about the moderation, but that is the hear-say.
| 245 |
Bobblehead Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:38:28pm |
re: #239 Catttt
It's PAYDAY!
I can buy food!
/getting tired of Ramen.
Funny how all the different flavors of Ramen taste the same..
| 246 |
Wendya Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:38:36pm |
re: #51 c6gunner
Unbelievable.
Not really. He pisses off new age moonbats, fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.
Funny that they should share a common enemy.....
| 248 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:39:12pm |
re: #213 pink freud
No, as I said, Thank you! From your link:
It's a job where you want a strong defender of America's sovereignty. But that's not Koh. He's a fan of "transnational legal process," arguing that
What would this look like in a practical sense? Well, California voters have overruled their courts, which had imposed same-sex marriage on the state. Koh would like to see such matters go up the chain through federal courts -- which, in turn, should look to the rest of the world. If Canada, the European Human Rights Commission and the United Nations all say gay marriage should be legal -- well, then, it should be legal in California too, regardless of what the state's voters and elected representatives might say.He even believes judges should use this "logic" to strike down the death penalty, which is clearly permitted in the US Constitution.
The primacy of international legal "norms" applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child -- a problematic document that we haven't ratified -- should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.
[emphasis realwest].
It is apparent that Koh has no real regard for the Constitution, Federal or State laws, whatsover. And when he says:"the distinctions between US and international law should vanish. " What he really means and IS saying is that the protections Americans have EARNED through the Bill of Rights, for example freedom of speech and press should go out the window because they are NOT the norms of International Law. Too many Americans have fought to preserve those rights through too many wars for anyone to have the right (other than the American People under the Constitution) to deny that to us. And, indeed, IIRC, the USA is the ONLY nation which doesn't prosecute hate speech (except where someone says "Kill that bastard" to a crowd while pointing one individual out). The ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD WITH THOSE PARTICULAR PROTECTIONS IN IT'S BASIC GOVERNING DOCUMENT.
We don't have "Hate Speech Crimes" prosecuted here when someone speaks out against a group of people - e.g., Muslim Jihadists - who are trying to KILL US.
Just look at Canada and Great Britain as examples.
"Hate Crimes" including hate speech crimes can come crashing down on your head (see, e.g., Ezra Levant) for speaking your mind in public about a particular group of people. That cannot happen here in the USA and I refuse to believe that even if Koh gets on SCOTUS that OUR Constitution would be so falsely construed as to allow Hate Speech laws to be upheld.
| 249 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:40:15pm |
re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth
The problem seems to be concerted, organized efforts to exploit a lazy flaw in YT moderation from other users to remove things they dislike. If I am wrong, please correct.
Well, you only need to look at that broken-since-day-one comment system of theirs to see how lazy they are.
| 250 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:41:03pm |
re: #225 Dan G.
It is extremely important when writing letters of complaint to get directly to the point, to be brief and respectful, to present your argument/objection rationally, and to absolutely refrain from using insulting, emotional or abusive language or rhetoric.
Derisive diatribes are immediately disregarded and dismissed out of hand as the rantings of a deranged crank, and will not have any impact other than giving the recipient a brief moment of laughter.
| 251 |
BatGuano Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:41:54pm |
re: #243 BatGuano
In my lifetime the best were Maurice Jarre, Henry Mancini and John Williams.
| 252 |
Lee Coller Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:10pm |
Isn't Google's moto "Do evil" or something like that?
| 253 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:42pm |
re: #240 Taqiyyotomist
You are absolutely right. I've said it before: I might be the one of the least knowledgable persons here, in almost any subject. I don't know avanti, I've disagreed with him a hundred times, but I've never thought once to insult him, or anyone else, quite like that. We don't need yahoo-chat/youtube-style "debate" here. We don't need Junior High lunchroom kiddies.
I, for the first time, reported one of the last comments wh made. I hope that Charles reads the end of that thread. That was uncalled for.
Yeah. I expect that on my youtube video with lots of jets and stuff (along with "cool vid, dude" comments, which I think are cute), because it naturally attracks young, silly men, but not here. The people who post on my Samael vid, on the other hand, are much more - grown up? sophisticated? nice? all of that.
| 254 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:42:52pm |
re: #252 Lee Coller
Isn't Google's moto "Do evil" or something like that?
Do unto evil that which cannot be found with the search engines.
| 257 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:44:33pm |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
It is extremely important when writing letters of complaint to get directly to the point, to be brief and respectful, to present your argument/objection rationally, and to absolutely refrain from using insulting, emotional or abusive language or rhetoric.
Derisive diatribes are immediately disregarded and dismissed out of hand as the rantings of a deranged crank, and will not have any impact other than giving the recipient a brief moment of laughter.
I'd just like to say that this advice should extend beyond youtube complaints.
| 258 |
WindHorse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:44:41pm |
Windhorse is SUCH a douche.... the guy needs to be banned.... shit man, he stood up to Avanti on his comments about Reagan being a compleat FU... you guys SO rock..... dude..... man.....
| 259 |
Macker Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:45:40pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
| 262 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:47:39pm |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
Good point. I think mine was the right balance, with just enough of a hint of anger, and a dash of cynicism.
The anonymity of the innertubes has made the average joe into a screaming mimi in too many cases. There is a God, and he is watching. If you don't believe that, pretend Santa Claus is watching. Or ceiling cat. Or your own sense of propriety and self-respect. Something.
| 263 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:47:46pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
What farting pony said that sort of tripe?
| 264 |
hazzyday Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:47:59pm |
re: #248 realwest
Koh sounds like a person who dilutes the value of the framers of the Constitution. He probably thinks he is smarter. But he's not. He probably grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth.
| 265 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:48:54pm |
re: #254 Buster Bunny
Do unto evil that which cannot be found with the search engines.
I remember when I had to go to the college library, endure the damn Library of Congress Classification system, which I loathe, finally find my book, then carry it to a table and read it there, because it could not be checked out, to research an issue related to a Supreme Court precedent. Oh - and take notes with a paper and pencil.
Now, I can google it and have the same answer in under a minute. Really remarkable. I know they have issues and stuff, but still darn useful.
| 266 |
2by2 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:12pm |
After reading the last thread and no his #258 I come to the conclusion that
WindHorse has attention deficit disorder
ADD
There is help somewhere, go look for it.
| 267 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:38pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
Windhorse is SUCH a douche.... the guy needs to be banned.... shit man, he stood up to Avanti on his comments about Reagan being a compleat FU... you guys SO rock..... dude..... man.....
You sound like you are three sheets to the wind.
| 268 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:49:45pm |
re: #261 BlueCanuck
Thank you Blue. Any further word on the work front?
| 269 |
WindHorse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:31pm |
| 270 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:51:34pm |
re: #268 realwest
I have a meeting tomorrow afternoon. Still no clue what is going on. I have a small hint but I am still unsure. I got called by HR at 4 p.m. today exactly, after leaving two previous messages from some one else. I like the timely response they have though.
//
| 271 |
hazzyday Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:00pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
Windhorse is SUCH a douche.... the guy needs to be banned.... shit man, he stood up to Avanti on his comments about Reagan being a compleat FU... you guys SO rock..... dude..... man.....
No just the chip hasn't been rounded off there yet.
| 272 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:19pm |
re: #253 Catttt
Yeah, the subject matter will often serve as a predictor for the comments. You won't find too many idiots commenting on Nina Simone videos, or Ella, or Billie.
Tech demos and neato things videos, on the other hand...there is a large groups of people, apparantly, who do nothing but reply "FAKE!" to anything and everything they see. It's like MTV, only dumbed down. You didn't think that was possible, did you? These are the same people, I suspect, who believe the Troofers, who cry "fake" on everything else.
| 273 |
WindHorse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:52:35pm |
wow.... now I have ADD..... thak you for letting me know!
| 274 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:53:01pm |
re: #107 Dianna
One who uses a variety of methods - my favorite is a plumb-bob - to find water or hidden objects.
Some people use a forked branch, held at an awkward angle. Others use a brass rod; one fellow I knew - quite a clever faker - used untwisted wire coathangers.
The "theory" behind dowsing, as I understand it, is that the implement carried by the dowser simply serves as an indicator of the fact that the dowser's body is picking up "vibrations" from the object sought.
Myself, I wonder if perhaps what's really going on, is that the dowser is taking in all sorts of cues from his environment, processing them subconsciously, and then outputting the result in the form of involuntary (?) muscular contractions in the hands.
In other words, a rational explanation for dowsing is that it is a manifestation of instinct or of subconscious reasoning. I guess you could call it an algorithm of sorts. That hypothesis could explain why dowsing so often fails in a contrived test. The algorithm evolved for the purpose of finding natural-occurring groundwater, based on the environmental clues to its presence. These clues would be lacking in the case of an artificially-planted target.
Please don't take this as a defense of dowsing, or as any kind of opposition to James Randi.
| 275 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:53:23pm |
re: #273 WindHorse
wow.... now I have ADD..... thak you for letting me know!
Would you like some fruit cup with that?
| 276 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:53:48pm |
re: #272 Taqiyyotomist
pimf there ARE large groups of people. :)
| 278 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:54:56pm |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
Derisive diatribes are immediately disregarded and dismissed out of hand as the rantings of a deranged crank, and will not have any impact other than giving the recipient a brief moment of laughter.
True. All the same, a complaint in the traditional style of youtube comments might be amusing.
"Fuck you faggot ass motherfuckers you gay asshole fuck faggoty pant shitters you suck!If'n you don't put JREF back up I'm gonna give it to your sister AGAIN you sucking fags"
| 279 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:55:30pm |
re: #264 hazzyday
I don't know about the Silver Spoon in his mouth, but until appointed as legal counsel to the State Department (pending Senatorial approval which seems a given these days) he was Dead of Yale Law School and as such is clearly out of touch with what everyday Americans live with.
Moreover he clearly has NO respect what so ever for our Constitution or our rights thereunder.
| 280 |
2by2 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:56:00pm |
re: #273 WindHorse
you're welcome
you must be so happy, after all everyone takes note and furthers some attention at you......
and having that deficit of yours it might get you over the hill.
| 281 |
Erik The Red Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:56:03pm |
re: #269 WindHorse
of course......
...I am not "in the club"..... therefore, I am drunk.....
I was not going to get involved with this as I was not on the previous thread, but since you decided to bring it over to this thread I will.
Dude what is your problem tonight? A number of Lizards have said to you to log out and take a break. Why have you not taken this good advise? Unless you are here to piss as many of us off as possible. If this is the case you are no better than Avanti. This blog is not about you!
| 282 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:56:16pm |
re: #274 Alberta Oil Peon
A buddy of mine had his well-site picked by a dowser. It worked, but I am hugely skeptical. We're pretty close to Lake Michigan. Like someone said earlier...a plumb bob would probably have worked. Or a randomly tossed Jart&trade
| 285 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:57:28pm |
re: #270 BlueCanuck Did HR leave any message or did you talk to HR concerning the nature of your meeting?
| 286 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:57:51pm |
re: #283 WindHorse
Macker.... do you really exist?
Existential therapy wont save you now. You exist .. its too late.
| 287 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:57:55pm |
Jimmah that was perfect. It's not hard to do, is it?
| 288 |
mfarmer1 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:58:20pm |
re: #15 Racer X
OK, now we're talking!
Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s
Nice. I've got a deposit on an Aptera and I finally get to see one in person on April 4th. But the Tesla S is making me think twice about the Aptera now.
| 289 |
stevieray Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:58:52pm |
re: #278 Jimmah
True. All the same, a complaint in the traditional style of youtube comments might be amusing.
"Fuck you faggot ass motherfuckers you gay asshole fuck faggoty pant shitters you suck!If'n you don't put JREF back up I'm gonna give it to your sister AGAIN you sucking fags"
Man... that is you? I've read your stuff... you rock, dude!
///
| 291 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:59:22pm |
re: #258 WindHorse
Windhorse is SUCH a douche.... the guy needs to be banned.... shit man, he stood up to Avanti on his comments about Reagan being a compleat FU... you guys SO rock..... dude..... man.....
Take your fingers off the keyboard. Go sober up. Seriously.
| 292 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 10:59:48pm |
re: #269 WindHorse
of course......
...I am not "in the club"..... therefore, I am drunk.....
What club? You SOUND drunk.
| 293 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:01:07pm |
re: #285 realwest
Actually talked. No hint or anything in the conversation. My CSM didn't want to talk to me, with out HR being involved, and had them set up the meeting for their schedule. That's about all I could get.
| 294 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:01:13pm |
re: #279 realwest
PIMF - he was Dean of - not Dead; except perhaps brain dead.
| 295 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:02:46pm |
re: #281 Erik The Red
Unless you are here to piss as many of us off as possible. If this is the case you are no better than Avanti. This blog is not about you!
Decidedly less pleasant than Avanti, who maintains a reasonable tone even when cursed at.
| 296 |
Summer Seale Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:02:59pm |
I'm actually really surprised they would do this. It isn't as if Randi isn't a nationally known figure. Didn't somebody at YouTube realize what they were doing? Let's face it: YouTube is full of leftists working there. All fine to roll our eyes but many are skeptics as well. So I'm thinking somebody was just really stupid and didn't know, misinformed, or simply screwed up without asking.
Either way, I can't imagine they actually looked into this before doing it. I'm guessing: major screwup they will be rectifying soon. At least I hope so.
| 297 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:03:14pm |
re: #269 WindHorse
of course......
...I am not "in the club"..... therefore, I am drunk.....
Whaaaaaddddyaaameeeaaan? Ayamsoooo notttt ... cor yoursisterlooksgoodisshesingle ohmigosh thinki'mgonnabarf canuseyourlap nowayyousay?
GAAAAWWWDD
/wipes up.
| 298 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:03:24pm |
Anyone here ever walked behind a team of oxen? It's a sight to behold when they pass gas. Truly awe-inspiring. I will not explain it fully here.
We had them in NH, dragged logs to the sawmill with them. Amazing beasts. I'm 6'4" and their expulsion of gas woulda blown my hat off, had I been standing close enough.
Thought y'all might like to know.
:)
| 299 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:04:08pm |
re: #166 Basho
That is Randi's exact definition. Hence why he hates debunker.
Thing is, as a skeptic, once you have evaluated a particular phenomenon, and have come to reasoned decision that it's the result of fraud or error, and not legitimate, don't you then owe it to society to become a debunker of that particular phenomenon? To save other people from becoming caught up in it? Take a Ponzi scheme chain letter, for example, as something one would want to vigorously debunk.
| 300 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:04:23pm |
re: #272 Taqiyyotomist
Yeah, the subject matter will often serve as a predictor for the comments. You won't find too many idiots commenting on Nina Simone videos, or Ella, or Billie.
Tech demos and neato things videos, on the other hand...there is a large groups of people, apparantly, who do nothing but reply "FAKE!" to anything and everything they see. It's like MTV, only dumbed down. You didn't think that was possible, did you? These are the same people, I suspect, who believe the Troofers, who cry "fake" on everything else.
I've deleted only one post - from a poster who said I'd faked a video (an Obama goof). I warned the posters that I'd delete any such comments, but only that one person got deleted. Most people just wanted to argue, which I enjoy, so that was ok.
| 301 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:05:01pm |
re: #298 Taqiyyotomist
Anyone here ever walked behind a team of oxen? It's a sight to behold when they pass gas. Truly awe-inspiring. I will not explain it fully here.
We had them in NH, dragged logs to the sawmill with them. Amazing beasts. I'm 6'4" and their expulsion of gas woulda blown my hat off, had I been standing close enough.
Thought y'all might like to know.
:)
No, I never have, and now that you've told me that, it's possible I may avoid the experience forever.
| 302 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:05:28pm |
re: #293 BlueCanuck
Well hell Blue I really hate to say this, but y'all better start thinking about whether or not you've sexually or racially or gender or gender-based harrassed anyone at all. Doesn't have to be intentional - could have been a joke you told to a group of co-workers and someone over heard it or something. But I don't like the fact that HR is involved in that.
Please write me an e-mail* - if you want to - after you're meeting - I've had some experience with such situations in the US - respresenting people accused of such things.
*nic is in blue!
| 304 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:06:22pm |
re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to admit, I doubt I'll ever be in a position to have the opportunity to walk behind oxen, but if I do, I'll pass (no pun intended) it up.
| 305 |
Buster Bunny Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:07:02pm |
re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I never have, and now that you've told me that, it's possible I may avoid the experience forever.
Great lil superbowl vid a couple of years ago where she is holding a candle and they are riding in a sleigh .. and the reindeer farts .. hilarious !
| 306 |
Catttt Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:07:05pm |
re: #303 Sharmuta
No they don't! ;p
Life is good. :D
OK - I'm for bed. See you all on the bright side.
| 307 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:12pm |
re: #302 realwest
thanks realwest. I don't recall any jokes or such. Besides I don't think your expertise could help me up here. I am male, white, and middleaged. If it comes to anything like that I am doomed automatically. :p
/not cynical, just experienced.
| 308 |
Erik The Red Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:15pm |
Maybe windhorse has finally take the advice he was given earlier?
| 309 |
mattm Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:49pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
Uh, no thanks.
| 310 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:08:51pm |
You should see what kinda log 2 eight-year-old cows can pull, though. They respond to Gee! and Hah! for right and left. What amazes me is that they're just cattle, but BIG. I never really considered that before I laid eyes on them. But cows/gelded bulls that have been trained for 6-8 years, whereas most are eaten by year 2. Their backs are like 7 feet high. It was quite an experience.
| 311 |
Sharmuta Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:09:00pm |
re: #308 Erik The Red
Maybe windhorse has finally take the advice he was given earlier?
Yes- shows as not logged in now.
| 312 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:11:00pm |
re: #307 BlueCanuck
Well Canadian law is NOT something I'm familiar with, but I do know the drill - everyone I've represented here has been a straight, White, male over 50 years of age. Seriously, if y'all want to (AND ONLY IF YOU WANT TO) drop me an e-mail.
| 313 |
Erik The Red Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:11:21pm |
re: #311 Sharmuta
Yes- shows as not logged in now.
I can't even type and spell well when I am sober. Its easy for me to invoke the Iron Fist rule.
| 314 |
realwest Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:12:16pm |
Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta get some sleep.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
| 315 |
rawmuse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:11pm |
re: #298 Taqiyyotomist
I have actually driven oxen before, but not lately. Magnificent beasts, really, and you have to expect the normal body functions at all times. They are not house trained at all.
| 316 |
Taqiyyotomist Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:18pm |
And, yes, I would rather relate stories of oxen flatulence than feed trolls.
| 317 |
redc1c4 Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:13:41pm |
re: #307 BlueCanuck
thanks realwest. I don't recall any jokes or such. Besides I don't think your expertise could help me up here. I am male, white, and middleaged. If it comes to anything like that I am doomed automatically. :p
/not cynical, just experienced.
what a great line!
/white smoke
| 319 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:14:07pm |
re: #270 BlueCanuck
I have a meeting tomorrow afternoon. Still no clue what is going on. I have a small hint but I am still unsure. I got called by HR at 4 p.m. today exactly, after leaving two previous messages from some one else. I like the timely response they have though.
//
I wish you the best of luck, Blue. Sounds like your employer deserves an "F" for communications. I hope you are exploring your options.
| 320 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:14:23pm |
re: #281 Erik The Red
If this is the case you are no better than Avanti.
Come on. This guy is much much worse than avanti. Avanti doesn't dish out abuse like this asshole. He just happens to disagree with most people here on politics, but does so in a civil fashion.
| 323 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:16:38pm |
re: #257 Sharmuta
I'd just like to say that this advice should extend beyond youtube complaints.
Absolutely. It's a vinegar v. honey thing. I have some experience in writing letters of complaint, and what I suggested above applies to whoever you are writing to.
Couple other tips....
- Typed, professionally formatted letters, ON PAPER and mailed in an ENVELOPE area a thousand fold more effective than emails. Emails are "for shit" in this regard, and generally get deleted without being read.
- Find the name and company address of the person who is the CEO, Company President, or whatever dept. title they hold, and write directly to them. These people are busy as hell, and do not want to be troubled with any mail, even if it is a letter that states "YOU ROCK". It is a nuisance to them, and they have better things to do with their time. But, if you present your grievance in a reasoned and logical manner, without being abusive, they will make it someone's business to see that you are satisfied and STFU.
Certainly this does not always work, there are exceptions to every rule. But one thing is for sure: sending an angry, abusive letter full of emotional rhetoric accomplishes nothing.
| 324 |
rawmuse Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:18:26pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
A concisely worded, matter-of-fact letter from an attorney, or better yet, an Attorney General, works wonders.
| 326 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:21:36pm |
re: #282 Taqiyyotomist
A buddy of mine had his well-site picked by a dowser. It worked, but I am hugely skeptical. We're pretty close to Lake Michigan. Like someone said earlier...a plumb bob would probably have worked. Or a randomly tossed Jart™
True, in many cases, you'll get water wherever you drill for it, if there is a good aquifer. Dowsers tend to spiel about "underground rivers", but the typical aquifer is more like a sponge, with water slowly oozing through it.
I'd really like to have a better water well at my place. It's 400 feet deep, and only flows 2 GPM. But unless it quits altogether, I'm not about to pay the considerable expense of drilling another well.
| 327 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:25:17pm |
re: #278 Jimmah
Hey, do it as you like. That would look great in a youtube comment, but a formal letter of complaint, to people who actually run the company, should be framed more professionally. Of course this depends on the results you are looking for.
| 328 |
Alberta Oil Peon Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:28:03pm |
re: #320 Jimmah
Come on. This guy is much much worse than avanti. Avanti doesn't dish out abuse like this asshole. He just happens to disagree with most people here on politics, but does so in a civil fashion.
I have actually met Avanti in real life, and expect to meet him again this year. He is an honorable man, even if his politics are less-than-popular here.
| 329 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:29:47pm |
re: #278 Jimmah
One more criticism: You did not misspell a single word there. Not one. If you are gonna pass that off as a youtube comment, you need to fail harder.
////
| 330 |
Green Helmet Guy Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:42:28pm |
re: #34 Charles
If you follow the "antisemitic" link above, you'll see one of the most depraved, evil videos imaginable.
The schmuck who posted the video, DalmatianPride, is probably an Ustaše, Croatian-fascists/Nazi.
And wow! look at all the "wonderful" responses posted for that video.
What a retarded argument... a real konspiricy kook!
For starters I could think of at least one major Nazi named Josef:
Joseph Goebbels
But according to this antisemite, who posted this video, he 'd probably think that Goebbels was Jewish as well. The zio-con honcos must have even infiltrated the ranks of the Nazi party...even the "Führer" himself is suspect.
| 331 |
Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:43:56pm |
I don't see why everybody seems to be automatically blaming the creationist/ID bunch. It could be some thin-skinned spoonbender or fan of homeopathy (apply directly to forehead).
| 333 |
Green Helmet Guy Mon, Mar 30, 2009 11:59:35pm |
re: #330 Green Helmet Guy
The schmuck who posted the video, DalmatianPride, is
probablyan Ustaše, Croatian-fascists/Nazi.
NO, HE IS A NEO NAZI Ustaše
He made this pro Croatian Fascist video complete with pro-Ustaše songs (@ 6:11 he openly states this), Plus a Croatian Nazi posing with a beheaded communists @~ 4:25 and a lot of pro Nazism and pure hate.
Disgusting! HOW THE HELL DOES YOUTUBE ALLOW THIS?!
| 334 |
nodeengineer Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:53:34am |
Ustaše, anti-Seimitic, Jihadist.
HOW THE HELL DOES YOUTUBE ALLOW THIS?!
Fear.
| 335 |
marsl Tue, Mar 31, 2009 5:36:10am |
Well, that antisemitc vídeo was now flagged by me.
| 336 |
guftafs Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:05:20am |
"Emotions are not tools of cognition." Ayn Rand
| 337 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:24:01am |
re: #90 arcatan
A champion for skeptics? Hmmm ... I was thinking skeptics could think for themselves.
Sarcasm only goes well with intelligence.
| 339 |
Kobalt Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:52am |
I tried to flagged the video and got this message:
Per our Community Guidelines, hate speech is specifically defined in reference to "protected groups"
does this mean the video is protected?
| 340 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:53am |
There are however a lot of jerkoffs over at the Randi forum and LGF has been one of their favorite targets for years, like the one quoted below on the fact that LGF has supported Randi on this.
They have a significant group of apologists for terrorists, and while they are not exclusively so, this issue raises the somewhat ironic point that their "terms of service" are that one cannot call anyone an asshole, regardless of what they say, upon pain of banishment.
Needless to say, Randi uses equivalents of that word all the time.
Today, 06:21 AM #36
brodski
faceless bureaucrat
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham
Posts: 10,939
Originally Posted by Puppycow
Read about this here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I was wondering how LFG would link this issue to Islam and anti-sematism.
| 341 |
Caboose Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:10am |
re: #210 Bobblehead
OT to movie music lovers..Maurice Jarre of" Dr. Zhivago" and" Lawrence of Arabia" fame died today.
Father of famed electronic music showman, Jean-Michel Jarre. RIP, Maurice.
| 342 |
dhg4 Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:09am |
Elder of Ziyon was banned by You Tube. He explains how it happened here.
Ironically his third strike came from MEMRI.
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of vetting of complaints.
| 343 |
rehnquist Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:51:38am |
Ugh. Why must YouTube be so spineless? Good grief.
I am Christian, creationist (NOT a "young earth creationist"), and a respecter of science. My two cents on Mr. Randi, for any fellow Christians who may be lurking and having angry thoughts about him or his work:
I've always had, and continue to have, the utmost respect for Randi. He seeks the truth. I seek the truth. Jesus said "the truth shall set you free." I've always liked the fact that Randi is not caustic is his agnosticism/atheism. Like the Apostle Thomas, he demands proof, and those of us who have faith in things we cannot prove scientifically should not fault him for that, or else we just look insecure.
I'm a new hatchling and this is my first post. Hi everybody! Eternal thanks to Charles for the throbbing memo!
| 344 |
Lipo Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:18am |
What's the easiest, most direct method of contacting YouTube to express our displeasure?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I can't seem to find an appropriate email address on this page, only a physical address. It appears that YouTube prefers snail mail for complaints.
Am I wrong?
| 346 |
Wilderstad Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:27am |
re: #100 MPH
Kudos to you for such an accurate observation about Obama's campaign. I loved that video and showed it to anyone within my personal circle!
| 347 |
ssn697 Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:54am |
It is hard to tell who Randi might have offended. You have the far right fundies mad at him over his creationism stance, and the far left wackos mad at him over his 9/11 stances.
Maybe all the wackos have gathered together? At any rate, this was enough to make me get a youtube account and complain. Maybe youtube needs new member numbers?
| 348 |
Lipo Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:56am |
I found the online complaint form for YouTube. Thanks anyway.
| 349 |
Egregious Philbin Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:49am |
Its ok for Scientologists, Jihadis, creationists and Canadians to use Youtube, but not Randi.
shenanigans!
Vimeo, mo bettah.
| 350 |
hellosnackbar Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:39:06am |
This is outrageous James Randi is held in such high esteem by UK scientists that despite his non scientific background he was brought in (as a man with the highest honesty credentials) to act as referee;
in a program investigating the validity of homeopathy.
As the presenter said "he can spot a phony at a distance of light years".
His expertise at exposing "leger de main" is second to none; and he has
demonstrated this skill on numerous occasions;to the delight of all who
welcome his input.
It's a great day for phonies and frauds that "youtube" has banned such a man.
The question is: Who'll be next? Penn and Teller,Richard Dawkins, Charles Johnson,or a host of others who through their efforts try to bring a little sanity and logic into this world where the "idiot" assumes
dominence.
You tube should have a soul search as to what they stand for!
Pat Condell is still wondering.
| 351 |
Hawaii69 Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:53:50pm |
re: #343 rehnquist
It's unlikely that Youtube was being "spineless" in terms
of this particular incident.
They have a huge number of copyright complaints filed on any given day, and they tend to "Ban First, Investigate Later", to cover their asses. Most likely,
they got a barrage of false copyright complaints
from disgruntled kooks, and disabled the account
while they check to validity of the complaint.
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Detroit Local Powers First EV Charging Road in North America The road, about a mile from Local 58's hall, uses rubber-coated copper inductive-charging coils buried under the asphalt that transfer power to a receiver pad attached to a car's underbelly, much like how a phone can be charged wirelessly. ...
Backwoods Sleuth
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
