Hitchens: The Swastika and the Cedar

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Christopher Hitchens finally files a report on his run-in with fascist thugs in Beirut, as part of a longer essay on The Swastika and the Cedar.

As Arab thoroughfares go, Hamra Street in the center of Beirut is probably the most chic of them all. International in flavor, cosmopolitan in character, it boasts the sort of smart little caf� where a Lebanese sophisticate can pause between water-skiing in the Mediterranean in the morning and snow-skiing in the mountains just above the city in the afternoon. “The Paris of the Middle East” used to be the clich� about Beirut: by that exacting standard, I suppose, Hamra Street would be the Boulevard Saint-Germain.

Not at all the sort of place you would expect to find a spinning red swastika on prominent display. Yet, as I strolled in company along Hamra on a sunny Valentine’s Day last February, in search of a trinket for the beloved and perhaps some stout shoes for myself, a swastika was just what I ran into. I recognized it as the logo of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, a Fascist organization (it would be more honest if it called itself “National Socialist”) that yells for a “Greater Syria” comprising all of Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Cyprus, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, and swaths of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt. It’s one of the suicide-bomber front organizations—the other one being Hezbollah, or “the party of god”—through which Syria’s Ba’thist dictatorship exerts overt and covert influence on Lebanese affairs.

Well, call me old-fashioned if you will, but I have always taken the view that swastika symbols exist for one purpose only—to be defaced. Telling my two companions to hold on for a second, I flourish my trusty felt-tip and begin to write some offensive words on the offending poster. I say “begin” because I have barely gotten to the letter k in a well-known transitive verb when I am grabbed by my shirt collar by a venomous little thug, his face glittering with hysterical malice. With his other hand, he is speed-dialing for backup on his cell phone. As always with episodes of violence, things seem to slow down and quicken up at the same time: the eruption of mayhem in broad daylight happening with the speed of lightning yet somehow held in freeze-frame. It becomes evident, as the backup arrives, that this gang wants to take me away.

I am as determined as I can be that I am not going to be stuffed into the trunk of some car and borne off to a private dungeon (as has happened to friends of mine in Beirut in the past). With my two staunch comrades I approach a policeman whose indifference seems well-nigh perfect. We hail a cab and start to get in, but one of our assailants gets in also, and the driver seems to know intimidation only too well when he sees it. We retreat to a stretch of sidewalk outside a Costa caf�, and suddenly I am sprawled on the ground, having been hit from behind, and someone is putting the leather into my legs and flanks. At this point the crowd in the caf� begins to shout at the hoodlums, which unnerves them long enough for us to stop another cab and pull away. My shirt is spattered with blood, but I’m in no pain yet: the nastiest moment is just ahead of me. As the taxi accelerates, a face looms at the open window and a fist crashes through and connects with my cheekbone. The blow isn’t so hard, but the contorted, glaring, fanatical face is a horror show, a vision from hell. It’s like looking down a wobbling gun barrel, or into the eyes of a torturer. I can see it still.

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264 comments

1 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:42:09am

I hate Lebanese fascists!

2 jdog29  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:42:22am

Christianity = Islam, not!

3 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:42:30am

I still like his remarks to Mos Def.

4 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:43:13am

If Robert Fisk had had the same experience, his follow-up report would be:

“If I was a Lebanese Fascist, I would have beaten me up too! I deserve it!”

5 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:43:35am

re: #1 zombie

I hate Lebanese fascists Nazis!

- “Beirut” Jake Blues

6 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:44:37am

The man’s got balls. Good for him.

7 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:45:00am
begin to write some offensive words on the offending poster. I say “begin” because I have barely gotten to the letter k in a well-known transitive verb

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

8 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:46:02am

Wait until we have our own “fascist thugs”

9 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:46:25am

re: #3 NYCHardhat

I still like his remarks to Mos Def.


Me too. Only problem was that Mos is deaf.
/

10 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:46:26am

Hitchens, an enormously bright well informed guy - still has a problem with Israel.

11 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:46:30am

re: #8 NYCHardhat

Wait until we have our own “fascist thugs”

We’re already heading down the economic part of that.

12 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:46:36am

re: #7 MandyManners

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

Fork?

13 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:00am

It was a noble effort. Stupid, but noble.

14 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:01am

re: #10 Joel

Hitchens, an enormously bright well informed guy - still has a problem with Israel.

Wonder if his Lebanese experience will change things.

15 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #8 NYCHardhat

Wait until we have our own “fascist thugs”

FTFY

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:12am

We debated this point ad nauseam before, but what the hell: I think Hitchens displayed a noble spirit, but poor judgment. He put his companions at risk. (He mentions his “two staunch companions”; I’ve met one of them. Nice guy, very smart guy, has done lots of fascinating things, but I doubt he’s much of a street fighter.)

17 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #7 MandyManners

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

Cheeky ?

18 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:40am

re: #7 MandyManners

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

One of your favorites, Mandy. Starts with “F” and rhymes with “truck”.

19 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:53am

re: #10 Joel

Hitchens, an enormously bright well informed guy - still has a problem with Israel.

You mean with “Israel/Palestine” (as he puts it)?

/

20 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:48:24am
21 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:48:56am

I admire Hitchens for not embroidering the incident with fabulous tales of his bravery. Truth was, he was blindsided, knocked to the ground, kicked while incapacitated, and then punched by surprise through a window. He didn’t get a chance to land any blows back.

Most macho men would have embellished the story with various versions of “And then I kicked his ass!” Kudos to Hitchens for keeping it real.

22 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

We debated this point ad nauseam before, but what the hell: I think Hitchens displayed a noble spirit, but poor judgment. He put his companions at risk. (He mentions his “two staunch companions”; I’ve met one of them. Nice guy, very smart guy, has done lots of fascinating things, but I doubt he’s much of a street fighter.)

If Hitchens had been killed, the Koskidz would have had massive orgasms!

23 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

Hitchens got to cedar face of evil plain.

Matzoh been a real eye opener.

24 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:49:49am

Not alot of unclenching going on….

/In fact…what’s the opposite of ‘unclenching’?

25 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:49:53am

What I found interesting was his notion of there being at least three “Arab Streets”, which was really the point of the article. The comparisons are enlightening, especially the section on Hezbollah.

26 Eowyn2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #7 MandyManners

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

firetruck yourselves.

27 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:50:21am

re: #22 Macker

If Hitchens had been killed, the Koskidz would have had massive orgasms!

Koskids are fucking morons.

(I hope they post my comment like they did with my previous entry)

28 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #21 zombie

I admire Hitchens for not embroidering the incident with fabulous tales of his bravery. Truth was, he was blindsided, knocked to the ground, kicked while incapacitated, and then punched by surprise through a window. He didn’t get a chance to land any blows back.

Most macho men would have embellished the story with various versions of “And then I kicked his ass!” Kudos to Hitchens for keeping it real.


Good point. For instance, I always try not to embellish the stories I reluctantly tell about my exploits with my old Seal team.

/

29 hellosnackbar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:50:41am

A swastika “just crying out to be defaced” the einigkeit is palpaple.
Hitchens is a soul brother!

30 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:50:58am

lesson…always go for the cell phone first, it could save your life…this incident is so stupid it’s almost bizzare…

31 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:51:10am

Hey everyone here on Windows remember to run that worm detection and elimination program today before midnight

32 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:51:16am

re: #21 zombie

I admire Hitchens for not embroidering the incident with fabulous tales of his bravery. Truth was, he was blindsided, knocked to the ground, kicked while incapacitated, and then punched by surprise through a window. He didn’t get a chance to land any blows back.

Most macho men would have embellished the story with various versions of “And then I kicked his ass!” Kudos to Hitchens for keeping it real.

My version would have been more along the lines of “then I punched him in the fist with my nose, followed up by a stomach in the elbow and finished off with a quick groin to the knee…..”
/////

33 Eowyn2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:51:41am

re: #21 zombie

I admire Hitchens for not embroidering the incident with fabulous tales of his bravery. Truth was, he was blindsided, knocked to the ground, kicked while incapacitated, and then punched by surprise through a window. He didn’t get a chance to land any blows back.

Most macho men would have embellished the story with various versions of “And then I kicked his ass!” Kudos to Hitchens for keeping it real.

He stood up for what he believes. In a climate where doing so could cause you to lose your head, it took balls.

34 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

One of your favorites, Mandy. Starts with “F” and rhymes with “truck”.

He could have used the 150,000-year-old variant….

35 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:52:11am
Yet, as I strolled in company along Hamra on a sunny Valentine’s Day last February, in search of a trinket for the beloved and perhaps some stout shoes for myself

I find stout shoes to be a little heavy; I prefer black & tan shoes.

36 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Good point. For instance, I always try not to embellish the stories I reluctantly tell about my exploits with my old Seal team.

/

who always got your asses kicked by the Sea Otters….

37 Athos  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:52:26am

All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

38 Erik The Red  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:52:56am

Heil Obama. And the young Nazi’s

39 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:52:57am

re: #30 albusteve

lesson…always go for the cell phone first, it could save your life…this incident is so stupid it’s almost bizzare…

second lesson - fascists run in packs. Bring backup.

40 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:53:04am

It’s lovely the way he spells out the responsibility of Syria for all those murders without ever once explicitly laying it at their door.

Occam’s razor gives you your answer. The common thread among the victims is that they were all inconvenient to Syria.

Now think: what other nation has such great luck in who dies by, shall we say, professional, means? Or maybe it should be spelled poloniumessional?

41 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:53:19am

re: #33 Eowyn2

He stood up for what he believes. In a climate where doing so could cause you to lose your head, it took balls.

and alot of alcohol

42 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:54:12am

BBIAW

43 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:54:21am

OT: I was listening to Rush during a shopping run, he was waxing Randian today.

44 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #41 albusteve

and alot of alcohol

Ah yes, the cause of, and solution to all of life’s problems.

45 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:54:34am
Well, call me old-fashioned if you will, but I have always taken the view that swastika symbols exist for one purpose only—to be defaced.

46 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:08am

re: #37 Athos

All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Senate defense committee chairman says Pentagon budget will include large, painful cuts. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said Tuesday that major program cuts will not be pushed off until the 2011 budget, but will be included when Defense Secretary Robert Gates sends his spending plan to the president later this month.

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

You were saying.

47 Caboose  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #4 zombie

If Robert Fisk had had the same experience, his follow-up report would be:

“If I was a Lebanese Fascist, I would have beaten me up too! I deserve it!”

But Fiskie would have never marked up the swastika in the first place, so none of this would have ever happened…

48 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:13am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

I find stout shoes to be a little heavy; I prefer black & tan shoes.

You’re no loafer.

49 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:46am

Getting a lot of miles out of it.

50 Bill Dalasio  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:47am

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.

51 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #31 Nevergiveup

Where do we get that NGU? The IT guy here tried again this AM to get rid of that google bug that was haunting my desktop. He’s got that thing so honked up now I’m having to use my laptop to post now. Shit even regedit won’t run now. I’m loosing faith he even know about that fix you’re mentioning.

52 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:55:59am

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Good point. For instance, I always try not to embellish the stories I reluctantly tell about my exploits with my old Seal team.

/

* * **
You’re such a gentleman not to disclose details of your tete a tetes with Giselle Bundchen or Adriana Lima.

53 Athos  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:12am

re: #46 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Senate defense committee chairman says Pentagon budget will include large, painful cuts. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said Tuesday that major program cuts will not be pushed off until the 2011 budget, but will be included when Defense Secretary Robert Gates sends his spending plan to the president later this month.

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

You were saying.

Another lesson lost - peace comes from strength, not weakness.

54 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

Ah yes, the cause of, and solution to all of life’s problems.

I don’t see anything remotely ‘heroic’ in this incident….screwing up the courage to do something stupid is not heroism imo

55 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:22am

Air Force One on the ground in London.

56 lincolntf  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #48 MandyManners

Let that be the last of the shoe puns, please.

57 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

We debated this point ad nauseam before, but what the hell: I think Hitchens displayed a noble spirit, but poor judgment. He put his companions at risk. (He mentions his “two staunch companions”; I’ve met one of them. Nice guy, very smart guy, has done lots of fascinating things, but I doubt he’s much of a street fighter.)

My motto is to not initiate a provocation in which you either can not or do not intend to prevail.

58 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #50 Bill Dalasio

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.

When it is a swastika, EVERYONE has a right to deface it, burn it, or defecate on it.

59 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #51 turn

Where do we get that NGU? The IT guy here tried again this AM to get rid of that google bug that was haunting my desktop. He’s got that thing so honked up now I’m having to use my laptop to post now. Shit even regedit won’t run now. I’m loosing faith he even know about that fix you’re mentioning.

Google Microsoft malicious Software removal tool—Charles posted a few links yesterday to get rid of it.

60 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #52 alegrias

* * **
You’re such a gentleman not to disclose details of your tete a tetes with Giselle Bundchen or Adriana Lima.

“Or”? You mean “and”.

61 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:19am

Pres. Obama is LATE getting off Air Force One. Always dragging to important meetings.

62 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:20am

re: #59 Nevergiveup

Thanks, I’ll go back then

63 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:23am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

I find stout shoes to be a little heavy; I prefer black & tan shoes.

But something more Pale is more comfortable and will cure you life’s Ales.

64 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #58 NYCHardhat

When it is a swastika, EVERYONE has a right to deface it, burn it, or defecate on it.

Depends on the use. If you deface one in a Hindu temple in India, or on an Indian reservation in Arizona, you’re asking for a lot of trouble, and you should not deface those.

Now, a Nazi or Nazi-styled swastika on the other hand…
deface away.

65 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #50 Bill Dalasio

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.

Then you’ll perhaps be terribly offended to know that I routinely tear down “International ANSWER Coalition” posters here in DC.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #58 NYCHardhat

When it is a swastika, EVERYONE has a right to deface it, burn it, or defecate on it.

Upding, but with the caveat that this does not apply to, you know, Southwestern art, and old Indian temple carvings and stuff. Just swastikas with a presumption of fascist connections.

67 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

“Or”? You mean “and”.

* * *Exactly—you’re the discrete Don Juan of mystery.

68 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:59:12am

Hitchens just has to connect a few dots and realize that his enemies are not the stuffy heterosexual traditionalists of Christian Bushistan and Jewish Israel. He can engage in long pleasant disagreements with them over drinks. His enemies are their enemies.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

Depends on the use. If you deface one in a Hindu temple in India, or on an Indian reservation in Arizona, you’re asking for a lot of trouble, and you should not deface those.

Now, a Nazi or Nazi-styled swastika on the other hand…
deface away.

Great minds…

70 Caton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:59:43am

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Air Force One on the ground in London.

Did it crash?

71 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding, but with the caveat that this does not apply to, you know, Southwestern art, and old Indian temple carvings and stuff. Just swastikas with a presumption of fascist connections.

It did start out as a nice symbol.

72 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:00pm

Shep’s upset that Air Force One is scuffed up?

73 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:15pm
74 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:22pm

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Then you’ll perhaps be terribly offended to know that I routinely tear down “International ANSWER Coalition” posters here in DC.

* * *
Nah, you’re just recycling. Those stalinist swine never pick up after their protests.

75 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:30pm

re: #58 NYCHardhat

When it is a swastika, EVERYONE has a right to deface it, burn it, or defecate on it.

Though doing it at a Nazi rally probably isn’t too smart.

76 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:35pm

re: #50 Bill Dalasio

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.

How about six million rights?

77 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Then you’ll perhaps be terribly offended to know that I routinely tear down “International ANSWER Coalition” posters here in DC.

fascist fight!….

78 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:00:58pm

re: #75 Ben Hur

Though doing it at a Nazi rally probably isn’t too smart.

Only if you are packing Mr. Thundermaker.

79 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:08pm

re: #75 Ben Hur

Though doing it at a Nazi rally probably isn’t too smart.

Unless you got an Armored Division behind ya.

80 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:21pm

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Then you’ll perhaps be terribly offended to know that I routinely tear down “International ANSWER Coalition” posters here in DC.

Ha! I do the same in SF. I hope we get to share a drink some day.

81 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:24pm

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Shep’s upset that Air Force One is scuffed up?

* * * *
I hated that Sox the cat peed on the White House furniture, didn’t you?

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #61 alegrias

Pres. Obama is LATE getting off Air Force One. Always dragging to important meetings.

The captain is still awarding him his Junior Pilot wings.

83 martinsmithy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:44pm

I used to loathe Hitchens in the old days, when he was an unreconstructed leftist who hated Israel.

The events of the past few years have put him in quite a different light. I no longer loathe him - I respect him, even if I disagree with some of his positions.

When looking at Hitchens, it is clear that his guiding light is - unrepentant, pure atheism. He despises religion and people with religious views, and he truly hates religious zealots.

His weak spot is that he clearly equates all religous zealots as the same - thus when he says:

the contorted, glaring, fanatical face is a horror show, a vision from hell. It’s like looking down a wobbling gun barrel, or into the eyes of a torturer. I can see it still.

- I believe that he would say the same thing if he were confronted by a Hebron settler, or an American anti-abortion protester. He doesn’t see any difference among religious fanatics, although he would certainly admit that there are fewer Christian and Jewish fanatics than exist in the Muslim world.

He doesn’t see Islam as uniquely destructive when compared to other major religions, which is where his ideology fails me.

84 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:01:56pm

re: #78 NYCHardhat

Only if you are packing Mr. Thundermaker.

How did you know that’s what she calls it?!?!?!?!?!

85 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:06pm

re: #80 rawmuse

I hope we get to share a drink some day.

Dude… I don’t swing that way.

/

86 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #81 alegrias

* * * *
I hated that Sox the cat peed on the White House furniture, didn’t you?

better than what Bill did in the oval office?

87 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:12pm

re: #84 Ben Hur

How did you know that’s what she calls it?!?!?!?!?!

Good lord!

88 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:22pm

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Shep’s upset that Air Force One is scuffed up?

* * * *
On the bright side, maybe Obama’s cut the Air Force One cleaning budget to save a buck.

89 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #61 alegrias

Pres. Obama is LATE getting off Air Force One. Always dragging to important meetings.

teleprompter must’ve got stuck in the overhead.

90 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:28pm

re: #57 rawmuse

My motto is to not initiate a provocation in which you either can not or do not intend to prevail.

Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

Do not be Unintentionally Rude

Those two mottos can take a gentleman far. Hitchens should have told his companions what he intended and planned to do so and get out safely.

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:37pm

re: #31 Nevergiveup

Hey everyone here on Windows remember to run that worm detection and elimination program today before midnight

You talking about the Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830), updated to find and irradicate the April 1st Conficker worm? I still run Win98SE and so am relatively immune to the bugger.

92 dhg4  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

We debated this point ad nauseam before, but what the hell: I think Hitchens displayed a noble spirit, but poor judgment. He put his companions at risk. (He mentions his “two staunch companions”; I’ve met one of them. Nice guy, very smart guy, has done lots of fascinating things, but I doubt he’s much of a street fighter.)

Which one? Totten?

Totten, who’s written about this, warned Hitchens away. He saw the trouble coming and tried to prevent Hitchens from being (brave but) stupid. Still he stood up for Hitchens.

93 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:46pm

re: #87 NYCHardhat

Good lord!

After she sees it.

94 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #85 Occasional Reader

Me either. I even quit drinking. :)

95 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:04pm

re: #56 lincolntf

Let that be the last of the shoe puns, please.

I guess those were the sole ones.

96 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #71 NYCHardhat

It did start out as a nice symbol.

Yep. And it was even used on road markers before WWII.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:24pm

re: #83 martinsmithy


He doesn’t see Islam as uniquely destructive when compared to other major religions, which is where his ideology fails me.

I don’t see Islam as ‘uniquely destructive’ in a broad historical sense, I just see it as currently afflicted with a serious case of nightmarish fanatics running unchecked

98 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:30pm

re: #61 alegrias

Pres. Obama is LATE getting off Air Force One. Always dragging to important meetings.

It’s the scene from Apocalypes Now!

I’M NOT GOING! I”M NOT GOING!

99 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:38pm

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Then you’ll perhaps be terribly offended to know that I routinely tear down “International ANSWER Coalition” posters here in DC.

Lots of those posters are illegal, anyhow.

(Aren’t they the ones who glue them to utility property and so forth?)

100 badger1970  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:46pm

re: #88 alegrias

* * * *
On the bright side, maybe Obama’s cut the Air Force One cleaning budget to save a buck.

How much can Febreeze and air scent sticks cost (he’ll never cough up money to actually clean the tax payers’ property)?

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #89 SasquatchOnSteroids

teleprompter must’ve got stuck in the overhead.

I’m srure the teleprompter gets its own seat.

102 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:04:03pm

Gordon brown isn’t there to meet him? His gift maybe?

103 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:04:11pm

Michale Totten has a good intro & link to the same Hitchens essay:

An Ominously Pre-War Feeling

104 Eowyn2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #50 Bill Dalasio

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Apple = Hitchens defacing a piece of cloth
Orange = being set upon and being beaten up for defacing a piece of cloth.

It pisses me off when I see people stomp on the US Flag, hear or read about the immense hatred of our Armed Forces, etc. However, I will not go hunting them down in order to maim or kill them.

105 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:04:42pm
106 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:01pm

At least there won’t be any demonstrations or riots, now that He is in office.

107 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:11pm

Gee Marine One beat Air Force One across the pond?
/

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:15pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m srure the teleprompter gets its own seat.

It may soon get its own plane, can’t afford to put the TOTUS and POTUS in danger together.

109 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:23pm

re: #81 alegrias

* * * *
I hated that Sox the cat peed on the White House furniture, didn’t you?


Are you sure it was the cat?
/eeewwwww

110 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:23pm

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

That is a Rubicon which he will probably never cross.

Indeed, he’ll continue to be in da Nile.

111 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:46pm

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Good point. For instance, I always try not to embellish the stories I reluctantly tell about my exploits with my old Seal team.
/

I didn’t know you were in the circus!

112 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:52pm

re: #76 MandyManners

How about six million rights?


A symbol of death to 54 million souls and countless millions injuried.
I see no rights issue here either Mandy.

113 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:05:52pm

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

It may soon get its own plane, can’t afford to put the TOTUS and POTUS in danger together.

HAHA!

114 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

The captain is still awarding him his Junior Pilot wings.

I’ll pass up the chance to post Captain Oveur’s questions to Billy.

115 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:06:17pm

re: #92 dhg4

Which one? Totten?

No, the other one. He’s not mentioned in this article, which I’m guessing is deliberate, so I won’t mention the name here.

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:06:43pm

re: #71 NYCHardhat

It did start out as a nice symbol.

Why did the Nazis hijack that particular symbol? It used to be the national symbol of Finland before the Nazis.

117 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:06:51pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Gee Marine One beat Air Force One across the pond?
/

Hasn’t got a FIAT motor in it, yet, perhaps?

///

118 Eowyn2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:06:57pm

re: #41 albusteve

and alot of alcohol


not in the cab though.

119 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #105 rawmuse

Speaking of drinking
Man arrested for DUI while driving his motorized bar stool.

Fantastic find.

Send it to Taranto.

120 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:07:32pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Gordon brown isn’t there to meet him? His gift maybe?

/I see an opportunity for regifting here

121 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:07:43pm

OT:

oh my…. :)

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]

122 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Gee Marine One beat Air Force One across the pond?
/

Don’t they load it onto another plane?

123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:08:18pm

re: #110 Occasional Reader

Indeed, he’ll continue to be in da Nile.

River puns Bug me.

124 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:08:30pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Don’t they load it onto another plane?

Yes of course—I was kidding

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why did the Nazis hijack that particular symbol? It used to be the national symbol of Finland before the Nazis.

Old Northern European sun symbol. Hitler’s followers had a fascination with runes and the like, so I suspect it had something to do with that.

126 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:08:36pm

re: #120 Killian Bundy

/I see an opportunity for regifting here

Maybe Brown can give Obama something he has never had before, a job.

127 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #126 lifeofthemind

Maybe Brown can give Obama something he has never had before, a job.

OOH that’s gotta hurt.

128 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:23pm
129 Abu Lahab  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:23pm

If you want to see how ridiculous it is, check this map

130 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:25pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

The captain is still awarding him his Junior Pilot wings.

Barry, do you like movies about gladiators?

131 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #121 Thanos

OT:

oh my…. :)

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]

I’m speechless.

132 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:52pm

I just had a patient with a 2 hour appointment blow it off.

133 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:09:59pm

re: #7 MandyManners

Hmmmmmmmm…. I wonder what word he was writing. Any ideas?

“Schmuck you, schmuck!”

134 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The swastika was a symbol carved in stones across northern Europe centuries ago by ancient people. The Nazis appropriated it as the symbol of the Aryan race, and hence their Germanic racial ideology.

135 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #126 lifeofthemind

Maybe Brown can give Obama something he has never had before, a job.

Having a job and doing a job aren’t the same thing.

136 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:14pm

Our friend started as a bouncer in Philly, and graduated to some uber status in some Philipino knife fighting discipline. He’s been the knife-fighting consultant on several movies like the Hunted and trains other professionals ie. police and military.

The icon clad rule he teaches his students: Never fight someone you do not know. Do everything you can to avoid a fight.

Your life is far more important than making a political point.

137 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Old Northern European sun symbol. Hitler’s followers had a fascination with runes and the like, so I suspect it had something to do with that.

Vedic, popular with the “Aryan” invader of India during the period of the Sanskrit epics.

138 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:39pm

Suppose Nicholas Sarkozy throws a hissy fit and leaves these august G-20 proceedings?

Will Angela Merkel Just Say No?

Could this be a referendum on Obama’s plans?

* * * *
Last call TODAY for New York voters to just say no to Obama’s candidate in New York’s 20th congressional district! Vote Jim Tedisco, (R) please.

139 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:39pm

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why did the Nazis hijack that particular symbol? It used to be the national symbol of Finland before the Nazis.

Didn’t it have something to do with Aryanism?

140 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:43pm

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why did the Nazis hijack that particular symbol? It used to be the national symbol of Finland before the Nazis.

It’s an architectural detail. Can still be seen all over Manhattan.

It was a design in the church Hitler went to as a boy.

I’ve heard.

141 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #121 Thanos

OT:

oh my…. :)

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]

wow,

142 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

River puns Bug me.

You! I thought I smelled your vile Oder.

143 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:11:08pm

re: #124 Nevergiveup

Yes of course—I was kidding

I missed the sarc thingy.

144 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:11:15pm

Barry, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

145 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #3 NYCHardhat

I still like his remarks to Mos Def.

What do you want to make a bet that Mos Def’s head is filled with troofer Jew-blaming nonsense. just a passing thought.

146 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #128 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Turn out high in the 20th Dist. race in New York today.

as high as 35% or more in Saratoga County, high R county.

* * * *
Thank you TFK, hope New Yorkers give Obama’s candidate a bronx cheer TODAY!

147 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #131 scottishbuzzsaw

I’m speechless.


Boy do I have ideas swimming in my head about that…Could be a new career path

148 Opinionated  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:13pm

No Holds Barred: Christopher Hitchens and the killer Jews

Now he is at it again, only this time he’s outdone himself. Writing in the March 23 edition of the Slate website, Hitchens argued that the religious settlers in Israel are preparing for a future where “Torah verses will also be found that make it permissible to murder secular Jews as well as Arabs” as they all coalesce together to make the West bank into an apocalyptic Jewish theocracy.

What makes Hitchens so sure that his vision of Jewish mass-murder is just around the corner? He cites three proofs. First, Baruch Goldstein, whom he cites yet again. Second, OC Chaplaincy Corps Brig.-Gen. Avichai Ronzki who “said that the main reason for a Jewish doctor to treat a non-Jew on the Sabbath… is to avoid exposing Diaspora Jews to hatred.” And third, the story in Numbers 31 of how Moses commanded the Jews to slaughter the Midianites. Of the story Hitchens writes, “The nationalist rabbis who prepare Israeli soldiers for the mission seem to think that this book might be the world of God, in which case the only misinterpretation would be the failure to take it literally.”

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

149 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #144 Ben Hur

Barry, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Did you have the fish?

150 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:28pm

Barry, have you ever been in a… in a Turkish prison?

151 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #136 DistantThunder

Our friend started as a bouncer in Philly, and graduated to some uber status in some Philipino knife fighting discipline. He’s been the knife-fighting consultant on several movies like the Hunted and trains other professionals ie. police and military.

The icon clad rule he teaches his students: Never fight someone you do not know. Do everything you can to avoid a fight.

Your life is far more important than making a political point.

Indiana Jones understood this

152 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #136 DistantThunder

Never fight someone you do not know.

Excellent rule. That’s why I only pick fights with my sister.

/

153 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:50pm

The last time there was a discussion about this Hitchens incident, I said he should learn Krav Maga. But I don’t think someone who drinks and smokes that much would be able to handle the training.

I have my yellow belt test this weekend.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:51pm

re: #140 Ben Hur

It’s an architectural detail. Can still be seen all over Manhattan.

It was a design in the church Hitler went to as a boy.

I’ve heard.

You see them done in brickwork on old houses sometimes—there are few in SF, though not many, because we don’t have that much brickwork. (Earthquake zone).

155 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:12:57pm
156 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:01pm

re: #131 scottishbuzzsaw

I’m speechless.

Only because I’m laughing so hard.

157 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:07pm

re: #149 lurking faith

Did you have the fish?

/I speak jive

158 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

Boy do I have ideas swimming in my head about that…Could be a new career path

LOL! Hi, {HH}- how are you today?

159 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

Excellent rule. That’s why I only pick fights with my sister.

/

But girls spit kick and pull hair?

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:30pm

OT: Via HotAir:

If Atheists Ruled the World

[Language Warning]

161 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #150 Ben Hur

Barry, have you ever been in a… in a Turkish prison?

We’re back to Firesign Theater as we learn 3 new words in Turkish!

162 Caboose  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:39pm

All y’all that want to deface a swastika wherever you see one, please stay away from my collection of WWII Luftwaffe and pre-1944 Finnish Air Force model airplanes, please? (The newer ones don’t even include a swastika for the tail and I have seen Finnish AF models that just have a blue diamond. I know why they don’t include it, but I think that it is historically inaccurate not to have it available to add if you want it. Fortunately, I have a stock of 1970’s-era decals for my planes.)

163 Eowyn2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #50 Bill Dalasio

Okay, maybe I’m opening myself up for an avalanche of downdings, but what exactly led Hitchens to the presumption that because he finds a symbol offensive, he has the right to deface it? This seems like the sort of behavior I’d expect from the black brigades. And I think they’re jerks when the do it.


there is a picture of the defaced ‘property’ on the full article. Its nothing more than a publicity poster, something that screams out for a Kilroy was Here annotation

164 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:14:09pm

re: #121 Thanos

OT:

oh my…. :)

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]

And the willing, paying cuckold’s name was “Maus”! Perfect.

165 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:14:20pm

re: #61 alegrias

Pres. Obama is LATE getting off Air Force One. Always dragging to important meetings.

Like I said once before, he has to find his halo first.

166 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:15:23pm
167 badger1970  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #165 Cygnus

I was thinking something more along the line of two hands and a flashlight.

168 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #165 Cygnus

Like I said once before, he has to find his halo first.

check up his ass…it’s there I’ll bet

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee

The last time there was a discussion about this Hitchens incident, I said he should learn Krav Maga. But I don’t think someone who drinks and smokes that much would be able to handle the training.

I have my yellow belt test this weekend.

Now if you want a real Jewish fighting experience, let me recommend….ABIR.

Warning: I will not be held responsible for anything that happens to your keyboard.

170 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:15:53pm

re: #145 FrogMarch

What do you want to make a bet that Mos Def’s head is filled with troofer Jew-blaming nonsense. just a passing thought.

I also wonder if, had “Mos Def” physically attacked Hitchens (as Maher seemed to warn was about to happen), he would not have been surprised to find Hitchens giving him something of a beatdown.

171 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:01pm

Hitchens was lucky to get out of there in one piece. Funny, I never tought I’d read the words Milli Vanilli in one of his articles. OT Does anyone know what happened to the pro-pali woman who was kidnapped by hamas? Can’t remember her name.

172 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:01pm

re: #158 scottishbuzzsaw

LOL! Hi, {HH}- how are you today?

Hi Scottish! I’m staring at screens that show the Network is stable..
So here I am! Hope today finds you well..

173 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:03pm

Reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza caused more than a few jaws to drop when she described her recent tour of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as “a lot of fun” and a “relaxing, calm, beautiful place,” Reuters reported Tuesday.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

She said what? Sorry I wasn’t listening, She sure is pretty!

174 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:15pm
175 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:16pm

re: #89 SasquatchOnSteroids

teleprompter must’ve got stuck in the overhead.

Bwahahahahaha!

176 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:19pm

re: #140 Ben Hur

It’s an architectural detail. Can still be seen all over Manhattan.

The architectural detail you are referring to is the Greek Meander, which has a completely different origin. It is not related to the swastika, although a detail of the Greek Meander does resemble it.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:16:58pm

re: #162 Caboose

All y’all that want to deface a swastika wherever you see one, please stay away from my collection of WWII Luftwaffe and pre-1944 Finnish Air Force model airplanes, please? (The newer ones don’t even include a swastika for the tail and I have seen Finnish AF models that just have a blue diamond. I know why they don’t include it, but I think that it is historically inaccurate not to have it available to add if you want it. Fortunately, I have a stock of 1970’s-era decals for my planes.)


We will leave your collectibles alone. Can I cover them with a towel or something, if I come over?

178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:17:50pm

re: #162 Caboose

All y’all that want to deface a swastika wherever you see one, please stay away from my collection of WWII Luftwaffe and pre-1944 Finnish Air Force model airplanes, please? (The newer ones don’t even include a swastika for the tail and I have seen Finnish AF models that just have a blue diamond. I know why they don’t include it, but I think that it is historically inaccurate not to have it available to add if you want it. Fortunately, I have a stock of 1970’s-era decals for my planes.)

I keep a stock of swastika decals too, though I haven’t built any WWII German planes in a long time.

179 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:18:16pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Now if you want a real Jewish fighting experience, let me recommend….ABIR.

Warning: I will not be held responsible for anything that happens to your keyboard.


Jew-Jitzu!

180 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:18:29pm
181 Cognito  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:18:52pm

“…his face glittering with hysterical malice.”

Well done.

(“Finally files” though? How fast are we moving now, as a people?)

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #121 Thanos

OT:

oh my…. :)

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]

OOOOOPS!

183 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #173 Nevergiveup

Reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza caused more than a few jaws to drop when she described her recent tour of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as “a lot of fun” and a “relaxing, calm, beautiful place,” Reuters reported Tuesday.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

She said what? Sorry I wasn’t listening, She sure is pretty!


Oooh, Hugo’s not gonna like that.

184 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:10pm

re: #53 Athos

Another lesson lost mistake repeated - peace comes from strength, not weakness.

FTFY

185 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:18pm

As PB0 has landed in Lunnon, here’s another little snippet of info:

Top three Tories will meet Barack Obama

From that link:
Mr Cameron, who is thought to be the only opposition politician the US president is meeting during his first foreign visit, said that he would be focusing on trade.
The issue allows the Tory leader - who opposes a further fiscal stimulus - to avoid a direct confrontation with Mr Obama, who has been the leading advocate of more cash injections.
The meeting, which will take place on Wednesday afternoon in a Central London location, underscores the strength of Mr Cameron’s political position ahead of a general election that must be called within 13 months.

The two members of his shadow cabinet who’ll accompany him are william Hague, Shadow Foreign Secretary (very sharp mind, former Tory Leader) and George Osborne, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.

All I can say is, well well well

186 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:25pm

re: #131 scottishbuzzsaw

Nice work if you can get it.

187 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:26pm

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

188 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #179 Ben Hur

Jew-Jitzu!

Be like water Manischewitz, my fwiend.

189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:20:47pm

re: #173 Nevergiveup

Reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza caused more than a few jaws to drop when she described her recent tour of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as “a lot of fun” and a “relaxing, calm, beautiful place,” Reuters reported Tuesday.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

She said what? Sorry I wasn’t listening, She sure is pretty!

Ok, what the hell is in the water of Gran Colombia that makes the women so frakkin’ beautiful?!?

190 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

It may soon get its own plane, can’t afford to put the TOTUS BOTUS (Brain of the US) and POTUS in danger together.

191 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Oooh, Hugo’s not gonna like that.

Or this part:

She wrote that she went to a bar on the naval base —-Oh boy Navy and Marine Men!

192 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:43pm

re: #176 Kenneth

The architectural detail you are referring to is the Greek Meander, which has a completely different origin. It is not related to the swastika, although a detail of the Greek Meander does resemble it.


Dude, that’s an effen swatzika.

This is a Greek Meander:

193 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:49pm

There are swastikas on the life-sized elephant statues at the Carlsberg brewery. I never had any desire to deface them when I went on the brewery tour.

[Link: swastika-info.com…]

194 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:57pm

re: #178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I keep a stock of swastika decals too, though I haven’t built any WWII German planes in a long time.

I spent two years building every WW2 plane I could get my hands on..it was therapy during a hard time….came home and they were all smashed by my deranged wife…I went into shock…18 planes all totaled…she’s ‘healed’ now and we are divorced but she is so ashamed that the subject of planes or models is forbidden…I have one last kit, a B26 Marauder….very rare when I bought it twenty years ago

195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #179 Ben Hur

Jew-Jitzu!

What’s the difference between karate & judo? Karate is a form of martial arts, and judo is what bagels are made of. (it’s funnier if you say it out loud)

196 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:22:40pm

re: #185 yma o hyd

I hope they tell БХО: “With all due respect, Mr. President, you’re a frakkin’ IDIOT.”

197 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:02pm
198 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:06pm

re: #189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ok, what the hell is in the water of Gran Colombia that makes the women so frakkin’ beautiful?!?

Upding for correct use of “Gran Colombia”.

Answer: I don’t know, but it sure as hell works.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What’s the difference between karate & judo? Karate is a form of martial arts, and judo is what bagels are made of. (it’s funnier if you say it out loud)

Jewdo is the art of talking your way out of a tight situation.

200 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:47pm

re: #91 FurryOldGuyJeans
Thanks for that link. Long overdue a full scan to remove this sort of stuff.
Just didn’t know where to find Freeware to do it.
Thanks again !

201 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:04pm

re: #194 albusteve

That reminds me of a joke:

A World War II pilot is reminiscing before school children about his days in the air force. (Joke best delivered with a good thick accent)

“In 1942,” he says, “the situation was really tough. The Germans had a very strong air force. I remember, ” he continues, “one day I was protecting the bombers and suddenly, out of the clouds, these fokkers appeared.

(At this point, several of the children giggle.)

I looked up, and right above me was one of them. I aimed at him and shot him down. They were swarming. I immediately realized that there was another fokker behind me.”

At this instant the girls in the auditorium start to giggle and boys start to laugh. The teacher stands up and says, “I think I should point out that ‘Fokker’ was the name of the German-Dutch aircraft company”

“That’s true,” says the pilot, “but these fokkers were flying Messerschmidts.”

202 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:12pm

re: #196 Macker

I hope they tell БХО: “With all due respect, Mr. President, you’re a frakkin’ IDIOT.”

If he does, he’ll do it in the most politely understated English manner possible - which will be totally lost on PB0, but not on his Tory colleagues.

Prepare for leaks …

203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:12pm

re: #194 albusteve

I spent two years building every WW2 plane I could get my hands on..it was therapy during a hard time….came home and they were all smashed by my deranged wife…I went into shock…18 planes all totaled…she’s ‘healed’ now and we are divorced but she is so ashamed that the subject of planes or models is forbidden…I have one last kit, a B26 Marauder….very rare when I bought it twenty years ago

I’ve really wanted to get back to building models since my Mom has been sick, but now that I’m watching her very active cat, not only can I not build any new models - first rule of a cat is “whatever you’re doing, I’m sitting on it” - I’ve had to hide the ones I have built from this cat or else he’ll destroy them.

204 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:35pm
205 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

No, there are real live genuine swastikas on some old New York buildings too—not just the Greek Meander.

They usually appear these days in tile floors in the vestibules of buildings constructed between 1880 and 1910 or thereabouts; you don’t see many as a detail on building exteriors, whether because they were not much used or because they were removed during WWII.

one of these days someone will offer a subject that you know nothing about…what then?

206 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:37pm

re: #144 Ben Hur

Barry, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

He couldn’t answer that question without his teleprompter.

207 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:25:10pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: Via HotAir:

If Atheists Ruled the World

[Language Warning]

Wow. There are people over there who really hate Allahpundit. And I mean hate.

208 lifeofthemind  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:25:39pm

re: #176 Kenneth

The architectural detail you are referring to is the Greek Meander, which has a completely different origin. It is not related to the swastika, although a detail of the Greek Meander does resemble it.

The Italian Fascist symbol is prominently displayed on the pole that flies the American Flag in Washington Square park. NYC’s tribute to Mussolini in an Italian neighborhood. In Chicago they named a short street downtown Balbo Drive after a Fascist aviator who massacred Ethiopians.

209 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What I always say is: Why build models, when you can be out there picking them up?

Yeah, baby, yeah, yeah!

210 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:26:56pm

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I’ve really wanted to get back to building models since my Mom has been sick, but now that I’m watching her very active cat, not only can I not build any new models - first rule of a cat is “whatever you’re doing, I’m sitting on it” - I’ve had to hide the ones I have built from this cat or else he’ll destroy them.

you need a spot just for modeling…good luck
(get rid of the cat)


jus kidding

211 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #205 albusteve

one of these days someone will offer a subject that you know nothing about…what then?

Why do you think we keep turning these things into gun threads? It’s pure intellectual self-defense.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:27:27pm

re: #201 Mad Al-Jaffee

That reminds me of a joke:

A World War II pilot is reminiscing before school children about his days in the air force. (Joke best delivered with a good thick accent)

“In 1942,” he says, “the situation was really tough. The Germans had a very strong air force. I remember, ” he continues, “one day I was protecting the bombers and suddenly, out of the clouds, these fokkers appeared.

(At this point, several of the children giggle.)

I looked up, and right above me was one of them. I aimed at him and shot him down. They were swarming. I immediately realized that there was another fokker behind me.”

At this instant the girls in the auditorium start to giggle and boys start to laugh. The teacher stands up and says, “I think I should point out that ‘Fokker’ was the name of the German-Dutch aircraft company”

“That’s true,” says the pilot, “but these fokkers were flying Messerschmidts.”

Very fun when done with a down-home Min-ne-sow-ta accent.

213 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:31pm

re: #207 Charles

No one has a sense of humor anymore. It’s evolved into a heightened sense of offense.

214 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:38pm

Not one response or ding on my Greek Meander post.

What’s WRONG with you people!?!?!

215 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #214 Ben Hur

Not one response or ding on my Greek Meander post.

What’s WRONG with you people!?!?!

Meand’er and dog named Boo.

216 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:43pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

Why do you think we keep turning these things into gun threads? It’s pure intellectual self-defense.

Stoeger P350 got a nice write up in Am Rifleman this month btw….I don’t have to clean it!

217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:54pm

moving on —->

218 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:06pm

The knife guys = Sayoc

219 Athos  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:15pm

re: #187 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

If it was the same responsibility of the nitwit who purchased NTSC Region 1 DVD’s for Prime Minister Brown, then our President is going to be in the G20 reading his talking points from his Crackberry……oh, wait, that’s CDMA only…..

220 MikeAlv77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:20pm

re: #178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I keep a stock of swastika decals too, though I haven’t built any WWII German planes in a long time.

I wonder how many Lizards are model builders… I know I am one..

” Hello, my name is Mike and I build little plastic models… “

221 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:37pm

re: #216 albusteve

Stoeger P350 got a nice write up in Am Rifleman this month btw….I don’t have to clean it!

Yep! Not like that totally ignorant moron buzzsawmonkey would know anything about it.

/

222 Mirage  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:11pm

re: #151 albusteve

Indiana Jones understood this

He also brought a gun to a knife fight :D

223 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #157 Killian Bundy

/I speak jive

CLASSIC…

224 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #223 DisturbedEma

Surely you can’t be serious.

225 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:54pm

re: #220 MikeAlv77

I wonder how many Lizards are model builders… I know I am one..

” Hello, my name is Mike and I build little plastic models… “

Barbie dolls?

226 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:13pm

re: #221 Occasional Reader

Yep! Not like that totally ignorant moron buzzsawmonkey would know anything about it.

/

hahaha!….’Buzz’s Lament’…look for it

227 MikeAlv77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:19pm

re: #225 Cygnus

No not barbies..

228 MikeAlv77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #225 Cygnus

Though I did build a model of a Cygnus once…

229 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #185 yma o hyd

Heard some spin on a radio news station this morning (owned by CBS) that all of Britain is waiting for the chance to get a glimpse of President Obama. Went on and on about how popular Obama is in Britain and “indeed all of Europe.”

230 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:13pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Now if you want a real Jewish fighting experience, let me recommend….ABIR.

Warning: I will not be held responsible for anything that happens to your keyboard.

That is awesome!

231 SFGoth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:58pm

Must be that wonderful Arab hospitality.

232 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

Very interesting!

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #200 Pass The Moonbaticide


Thanks for that link. Long overdue a full scan to remove this sort of stuff.
Just didn’t know where to find Freeware to do it.
Thanks again !

You are more than welcome. I don’t like it when people who post a “MUST DO THIS!” comment don’t include a link to what one needs to do what they are being urged to do.

234 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:56pm

re: #229 Russkilitlover
Well, I’m not waiting to worship.
Can’t be all Britain then, can it ?

/And I’m not alone.

235 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:14pm

New movie coming out, actually worth seeing, Brother’s at War

236 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:09pm

Saw a picture of a lightpost in Amsterdam where the steel band covering up the swastikas adorning the base had come lose and sagged. I think I remember reading somewhere that the symbol can be traced to something in Indian(red dot) mythology pertaining to luck.

237 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:45:25pm

re: #235 Kenneth

Yeah, looks good. Gary Sinisi is all over it.

238 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:45:54pm

re: #209 Occasional Reader

What I always say is: Why build models, when you can be out there picking them up?

Yeah, baby, yeah, yeah!

Your wife must laugh her ass off at you sometimes!

239 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:54pm

Hezbollah Doesn’t Have Wings

A few weeks ago Britain decided to unfreeze “diplomatic relations” with Hezbollah, and the nonsensical phrases “political wing” and “military wing” have been used to describe the Iranian-backed militia ever since. Britain now says it’s okay to meet with members of Hezbollah’s “political wing” while maintaining the blacklisting of its “military wing,” but these “wings” don’t exist in any meaningful sense.

The Obama Administration knows better. One U.S. official wants Britain to explain “the difference between the political, social and military wings of Hezbollah because we don’t see the difference between the integrated leadership that they see.” “The US does not distinguish between military, cultural and political wings of Hezbollah,” another U.S. official said, “and our decision to avoid making such a distinction is premised on accurate available information indicating that all Hezbollah wings and branches share finances, personnel and unified leadership and they all support violence.”

240 Dan G.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #7 MandyManners

While you were asking tongue-in-cheek, I believe in a previous post it stated that he wrote: “No, FUCK YOU!” or something like that.

241 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:54:43pm

re: #240 Dan G.

Yeah, there’s a K in that popular transitive verb.

242 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:33pm

re: #239 Kenneth

Didn’t some British politician get refused entry into Canada because he supports some terror organization?

243 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:57:37pm

He’s not the Barack Obama Europe Knew

For starters, America cannot afford to casually “end” a war it is winning. Obama’s anti-Iraq War agenda has evaporated. European publics are disappointed, but their leaders will let it slide so long as they don’t have to send troops. This is why Afghanistan is a problem. Obama can call the war on terror whatever he wants, but any concerted use of force against Muslims will be, from a combat standpoint, largely unilateral. European leaders have lost the will and the political capital to risk domestic Islamist upheaval should they raise guns in Muslim lands. The war on terror’s biggest motivational challenge is not linguistic or stylistic, but demographic.

244 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #242 axegrinder

George Galloway was banned from Canada for giving money to Hamas.

245 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:03:40pm

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

Wonder if his Lebanese experience will change things.

I doubt it.

246 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

You mean with “Israel/Palestine” (as he puts it)?

/

I think he was referring to the SSNF wanting to incorporate Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank into Greater Syria.

247 Muadib  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:22pm

re: #8 NYCHardhat

Wait until we have our own “fascist thugs”

We already do. Liberal Fascism.

248 JustABill  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:51pm

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

It may soon get its own plane, can’t afford to put the TOTUS and POTUS in danger together.

Why? What good would it be to have the POTUS safe without the TOTUS?

249 Timbre  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:26pm
“Well, call me old-fashioned if you will, but I have always taken the view that swastika symbols exist for one purpose only—to be defaced.”

Truth lives! I’ll have to remember this when I am deemed “not accommodating of one’s religious beliefs.”

250 Joel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:35pm

re: #1 zombie

I hate Lebanese fascists!

I hate all fascists!

251 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:39:05pm

re: #37 Athos

All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

252 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:35pm

re: #251 Salamantis

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

That quote always bothered me, because if you’re doing nothing, you are not a good man…

253 Kobalt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:15pm

Dear Christopher Hitchens, (hitchbitch@vf.com) —->that’s his email!

Thank you very much for bringing your readers up to date with your “Swastika and the Cedar” Article. It is important that Americans and the world be made aware about your experiences in Lebanon (a so-called MODERATE Arab country). Your article is especially timely as our President yields to Arab and Islamic countries where vile, uneducated and racist behavior encouraging thuggery and martyrdom is widespread and apparently, acceptable.

Kind regards,
/s/
———————————-
Associate Professor
Department of Pharmacology
Yale School of Medicine

254 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:08:13pm

re: #83 martinsmithy

I used to loathe Hitchens in the old days, when he was an unreconstructed leftist who hated Israel.

The events of the past few years have put him in quite a different light. I no longer loathe him - I respect him, even if I disagree with some of his positions.

When looking at Hitchens, it is clear that his guiding light is - unrepentant, pure atheism. He despises religion and people with religious views, and he truly hates religious zealots.

His weak spot is that he clearly equates all religous zealots as the same - thus when he says:

the contorted, glaring, fanatical face is a horror show, a vision from hell. It’s like looking down a wobbling gun barrel, or into the eyes of a torturer. I can see it still.

- I believe that he would say the same thing if he were confronted by a Hebron settler, or an American anti-abortion protester. He doesn’t see any difference among religious fanatics, although he would certainly admit that there are fewer Christian and Jewish fanatics than exist in the Muslim world.

He doesn’t see Islam as uniquely destructive when compared to other major religions, which is where his ideology fails me.

You must not have read the article.

Excerpt:

Officially removed from that soil, Syria continues to manipulate by proxies and by surrogates. One of its projections of power is the S.S.N.P., the Christian Orthodox Fascist group with which I tangled (and which is thought to have provided the muscle in some of the abovementioned assassinations).

Sal: Yep, that’s right; the Lebanazis who attacked Hitchens weren’t Muslim; they were Christian. Just like the vast majority of the original Nazis were.

[Link: www.christianhistorytimeline.com…]

255 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #254 Salamantis

Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party is a secular fascist party. Link the Nazis they emulate, they are not at all Christian in their ideology.

Saadeh, the party’s ‘leader for life’, was an admirer of Adolf Hitler influenced by Nazi and fascist ideology.[4][7] The party adopted a reversed swastika as the party’s symbol, sang the party’s anthem to Deutschland über alles, and included developing the cult of a leader, advocating totalitarian government, and glorifying an ancient pre-Christan past and the organic whole of the Syrian Volk or nation.

256 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:34:56pm

re: #255 Kenneth

Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party is a secular fascist party. Link the Nazis they emulate, they are not at all Christian in their ideology.

From your own link:

Lebanese historian Kamal Salibi gives a somewhat contrasting interpretation, pointing to the position of the Greek Orthodox community as a large minority in both Syria and Lebanon for whom “the concept of pan-Syrianism was more meaningful than the concept of Arabism” while at the same time they resented Maronite dominance in Lebanon. Saadeh [the Greek Orthodox Christian founder of the SSNP], according to Salibi,

“…found a ready following among his co-religionists. His idea of secular pan-Syrianism also proved attractive to many Druzes and Shiites; to Christians other than the Greek Orthodox, including some Maronites who were disaffected by both Lebanism and Arabism; and also to many Sunnite Muslims who set a high value on secularism, and who felt that they had far more in common with their fellow Syrians of whatever religion or denomination than with fellow Sunnite or Muslim Arabs elsewhere. Here again, an idea of nationalism had emerged which had sufficient credit to make it valid. In the Lebanese context, however, it became ready cover for something more archaic, which was essentially Greek Orthodox particularism.”

Prof. Salibi remarks on the beginnings of Saadeh’s party in the 1930s: “[A]mong its first members were students and young graduates of the American University of Beirut.” This early party was “mainly Greek Orthodox and Protestants with some Shi’ites and Druzes… .”

257 Jimmah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:53pm

re: #207 Charles

Wow. There are people over there who really hate Allahpundit. And I mean hate.

That’s a full-on war zone there. I wonder what Michelle Malkin’s opinion of creationism is?

258 Jimmah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:39:28pm

re: #255 Kenneth

re: #256 Salamantis

I think it would be fair to say that they are a Christian dominated secular fascist party - just like the German nazis were.

259 Hawaii69  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:31:50pm

Here’s a crazy thought:

Maybe it’s a stupid idea for an American to be defacing posters in a violent country, full of violent factions
who hate Americans?

…particularly when said poster belongs to one of those
factions.

It’s not heroic to put yourself and your companions
in mortal danger simply to deface a poster. It’s
egotistical.

260 Hawaii69  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:34:52pm

re: #6 LGoPs

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

Hitchens got to cedar face of evil plain.

Rex Reed is reaching for the Gong…..

261 rumcrook  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 5:00:32pm

re: #8 NYCHardhat

we dont have to wait.

gietner a man who doesnt pay his own taxes wants the power to sieze others businesses.

262 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:06:11pm

re: #259 Hawaii69

Here’s a crazy thought:

Maybe it’s a stupid idea for an American to be defacing posters in a violent country, full of violent factions
who hate Americans?

…particularly when said poster belongs to one of those
factions.

It’s not heroic to put yourself and your companions
in mortal danger simply to deface a poster. It’s
egotistical.

Evil unopposed perdures.

263 Hawaii69  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:37:42pm

re: #262 Salamantis

Somehow, defacing a poster doesn’t strike
me as a blow against evil.

If you’re going to risk your life, as well as
those of your campanions, you should do it
for something that will make a meaningful
difference.

264 thinker  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:58:47am

Well written article. Sometimes, it is the small efforts of resistance that initiate the larger ones. If the street has been in the stranglehold of this Socialist group, a small defacement may be what was needed. I liked his comment “call me old-fashioned if you will, but I have always taken the view that swastika symbols exist for one purpose only—to be defaced”


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