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1 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:02pm

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

2 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:21:29pm

Still the minkey mind!

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

Your comments are replicating across lgf like a virus, Killian! ;)

4 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:22:52pm
5 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:19pm

I wounder which foreign leader will succumb to the siren song of TOTUS this time.

6 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:23:46pm

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

Your comments are replicating across lgf like a virus, Killian! ;)

/sure it's not just you?

7 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

Transmission of power is now warranteed...

8 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:26:22pm
9 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:26:23pm

What a day. I need a Honcotini.

10 jjmckay1216  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:26:28pm

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

11 J Doc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:27:51pm

Saw an article today putting Michele O and Carla Bruni in the same class. Who are they trying to kid?

On a related thought; why do they have female and gay judges at beauty pageants?

12 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:27:52pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

I heard he was hooking up with a naughty little French outlet while over there.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

They'll use parchment and smoke signals if they have to.

14 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:01pm

I wonder if there is a list of succession in the event something untoward happens to TOTUS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If TOTUS gets waylaid, is the next up the Presidential speakerphone? Intercom? ipod?

15 Lincolntf  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

Congratulations. Now just don't tick off Obama, or no more job for you!

16 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:23pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

congrats! luck! happy packets!

17 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #11 J Doc

Saw an article today putting Michele O and Carla Bruni in the same class. Who are they trying to kid?

On a related thought; why do they have female and gay judges at beauty pageants?

Harder to bribe the judges...

18 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:41pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard he was hooking up with a naughty little French outlet while over there.

It's greased lightning... it's electrifying!

19 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:28:54pm

re: #8 itellu3times

Chinese ballistic missile anti-carrier weapon

from drudge

Fantastic. Great time to cut defense spending.

20 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:18pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

Sounds like good news....wonder if that site also snapped up some of the Rocky Mountain News beat writers while they were at it.

21 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:20pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

/TOTUS could be reduced to just plain OTUS

Does TOTUS drink tea?
Because thats what The Queen will offer as refreshment ...

22 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:29:48pm

re: #14 Diamond Bullet

I wonder if there is a list of succession in the event something untoward happens to TOTUS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If TOTUS gets waylaid, is the next up the Presidential speakerphone? Intercom? ipod?

Rahm stands in the back of the room with an Aldiss Lamp

23 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:11pm

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

With tensions already rising due to the Chinese navy becoming more aggressive in asserting its territorial claims in the South China Sea, the U.S. Navy seems to have yet another reason to be deeply concerned.

After years of conjecture, details have begun to emerge of a "kill weapon" developed by the Chinese to target and destroy U.S. aircraft carriers.

First posted on a Chinese blog viewed as credible by military analysts and then translated by the naval affairs blog Information Dissemination, a recent report provides a description of an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) that can strike carriers and other U.S. vessels at a range of 2000km.

The range of the modified Dong Feng 21 missile is significant in that it covers the areas that are likely hot zones for future confrontations between U.S. and Chinese surface forces.

The size of the missile enables it to carry a warhead big enough to inflict significant damage on a large vessel, providing the Chinese the capability of destroying a U.S. supercarrier in one strike.

Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.

Supporting the missile is a network of satellites, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles that can locate U.S. ships and then guide the weapon, enabling it to hit moving targets.

/I shudder to wonder how TOTUS would react if China were to take out one of our carriers

24 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:19pm

re: #21 yma o hyd

Does TOTUS drink tea?
Because thats what The Queen will offer as refreshment ...

TOTUS does not like tea parties.

25 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

I wounder which foreign leader will succumb to the siren song of TOTUS this time.

Gord, for sure.
Merkel and Sarkozy - not so!

26 kawfytawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:50pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

awesome! All the best to you!

27 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:52pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

CONGRATULATIONS!

28 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:30:58pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

* * * *
Congratulations.

29 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:12pm

I thought that read: Fuckminster Buller

30 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #21 yma o hyd

Does TOTUS drink tea?
Because thats what The Queen will offer as refreshment ...

Let's just hope WAB doesn't extend her pinky when holding the cup.

31 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:33pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

Well we'd probably have to be in a shooting war for that to happen...but in any case, I'm sure his response would be less than adequate.

32 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

Great news! and welcome to the Denver area.

33 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:32:40pm

re: #24 KenJen

TOTUS does not like tea parties.

Tought titties.
Thats what The Queen invited him for, thats what he'll have to have.
Or it'll be the Tower for him!

34 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:32:58pm

re: #21 yma o hyd

Does TOTUS drink tea?
Because thats what The Queen will offer as refreshment ...

Seriously, someone better sew Prince Phillip's mouth shut.

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #14 Diamond Bullet

I wonder if there is a list of succession in the event something untoward happens to TOTUS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If TOTUS gets waylaid, is the next up the Presidential speakerphone? Intercom? ipod?

Barry is reportedly real fond of his blackberry.

36 Abu Lahab  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:15pm

Al Jazeera seems happy about this story, and I do see why!
from the WSJ: Iran, Syria Got Indirect U.S. Nuclear Aid
No Comment!

37 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:20pm
Thinking is a momentary dismissal of irrelevancies.

— Buckminster Fuller

That guy sure had Buckyballs, I'll give him that.

38 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:37pm

Has there ever been a President with as many disparaging monikers as this One?

39 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:33:48pm

Tent cities of Buckminster Fuller geodesic domes, coming next to city near you.

And people said Sarah Palin was an Igloo Barbie as if igloos were a bad thing.

40 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:00pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

Not to worry. If we ever really went to full War with the Chinese, a carrier group or 2 would be the least of your worries.

41 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:01pm

Oh, good, open thread.

With the current administration every day is wide open.

42 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:11pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

Congrats! I sure hope you're not trying to sell your home or condo by April 9th.

43 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:12pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Let's just hope WAB doesn't extend her pinky when holding the cup.

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:13pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

Seriously, someone better sew Prince Phillip's mouth shut.

Heaven forbid! Teh (sic) O needs a diplomatic gaffe he didn't create.

45 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Let's just hope WAB doesn't extend her pinky when holding the cup.

Afternoon, Mandy! How feel'st thou?

46 J Doc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:23pm

Back in the '30s we had a depression. Under Obama, it looks like we are heading for "O"ppression.

47 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:44pm

BTW, the San Diego/Southern CA meet up is coming up next month on Saturday, April 25th in Mission Valley, San Diego. Contact me for details

48 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:34:55pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

Bent over, facing away. . .

49 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:17pm

re: #46 J Doc

Back in the '30s we had a depression. Under Obama, it looks like we are heading for "O"ppression.


or a D'oh-pression?

50 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:20pm

re: #29 Ben Hur

I thought that read: Fuckminster Buller

easy...the Boss down here was a friend of His

51 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:24pm

re: #43 yma o hyd

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

Racist!
/

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:28pm

re: #11 J Doc

Saw an article today putting Michele O and Carla Bruni in the same class. Who are they trying to kid?

On a related thought; why do they have female and gay judges at beauty pageants?

Why not? Women and gay men understand what goes into the kind of stylized female performance that beauty pageants are all about.

Well, some women and gay men. Then there are those of us who think high fashion is when your socks match.

53 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #33 yma o hyd

Tought titties.
Thats what The Queen invited him for, thats what he'll have to have.
Or it'll be the Tower for him!

* * * * *
I love the idea of Britons giving tea parties for Obama! Like coal to Newcastle.

Reverse Tea Party--You Have Spent All Our Money!

54 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #33 yma o hyd

Tought titties.
Thats what The Queen invited him for, thats what he'll have to have.
Or it'll be the Tower for him!

/so does Michelle curtsy to the Queen or the other way around?

55 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:54pm

re: #46 J Doc

Back in the '30s we had a depression. Under Obama, it looks like we are heading for "O"ppression.

Man made disaster

56 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:35:54pm

re: #4 taxfreekiller

So, who are those Americans who want freedom and justice with an intact constitution.

this them?

[Link: www.taxdayteaparty.com...]

or

these also

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

From your first link.....

Lumping Patriots and Nazis Together?

This is what leftists in the media fail to understand. This isn’t about Republicans vs Democrats. It isn’t about conservatives vs liberals. No, this is about right vs wrong.

And right now… our government is dead wrong. We’re here to correct that.


Are they really ignoring Nazi involvement in the Tea Parties?
Nazis, Angry Tax Payers Can't Wait For April Rallies in St. Louis

Last week, "SS Lt." Steven Boswell with the National Socialist Movement (a.k.a. America's Nazi Party) sent an e-mail updating a post I wrote earlier this month.

It seems that in addition to its rally under the Arch on April 18, the NSM now plans to hold a a "walking picket" of downtown St. Louis.

Writes Boswell:

As I am sure the City is aware, although a parade permit is required when streets have to be closed down, no such permit is required for a walking picket. The National Socialist Movement may picket anywhere in St Louis and at anytime during that weekend. The current Obama administration seems hell-bent on destroying the last vestiges of America, the greatest nation in the history of the Earth. And they are determined to wipe out the White man, the spark of genius that created that nation. We of the NSM will not let that happen. We will take our message of American hope directly to the streets of St. Louis and directly to the people of St. Louis.

57 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:01pm

re: #43 yma o hyd

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

AAIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

58 rw in san diego  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:02pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What meet?

59 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:13pm

re: #43 yma o hyd

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

sigh. . .challange The Queen to a flex off. . .

60 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:16pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

Seriously, someone better sew Prince Phillip's mouth shut.

Oh no - can't do that, he's practically a national monument by now!

(No, he knows when to be gracious and when to be earthy!)

61 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:18pm

re: #33 yma o hyd

Tought titties.
Thats what The Queen invited him for, thats what he'll have to have.
Or it'll be the Tower for him!

Then we shall retaliate with DVD copies of The Queen

/ooops...wrong reigon.

62 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:18pm

men that prefer thin sliced bacon are sissies....
just an observation

63 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:29pm

You can't yell at a TV screen in an airport terminal. Which is a shame because that's where I am and there is CNN on disparaging Dick Cheney and his criticism of Obama, etc.
So ridiculous. How about how the Obama admin gave all kinds of crap to the departing Bush admin? What a load of crap. And CNN has only hearsay to go on for most of their story.

64 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:37pm

re: #36 Abu Lahab

Al Jazeera seems happy about this story, and I do see why!
from the WSJ: Iran, Syria Got Indirect U.S. Nuclear Aid
No Comment!

* * *
I pre-emptively blame John F. Kerry and Keith Ellison as the likeliest suspects.

65 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:36:45pm

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man made disaster

When does the Treasury Department get added to the list of terrorist organizations?

66 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:06pm

re: #58 rw in san diego

What meet?

pork...the other what meet

67 Cygnus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:07pm

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Barry is reportedly real fond of his blackberry.

Must...resist...commenting...

68 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:19pm

re: #45 Bloodnok

Much better. I actually took a little pill for my sinuses and took a nap. Good stuff.

69 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

Best of luck!

70 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:28pm

I remember when magazines like Popular Science used to run articles about Fuller's latest inventions.

71 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:49pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

/so does Michelle curtsy to the Queen or the other way around?

Neither - they both grovel in the presence of the One.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:37:52pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

/so does Michelle curtsy to the Queen or the other way around?

Americans don't curtsey to royalty. God, I hope they get THAT message. BTW, Newsweek has a piece now on the business with the movies.

73 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:00pm

Future Present
Sobering and all too possible.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:01pm

Well, that settles it, I am moving to China. "I'm getting paid for what, now"?

[NSFW]

75 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #43 yma o hyd

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

"You put milk in tea over here? Weird!"

76 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:31pm

re: #58 rw in san diego

What meet?

LGF meet up for San Diego/Southern CA Lizards

77 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

/so does Michelle curtsy to the Queen or the other way around?

We'll have to wait and see, won't we?

78 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:38:46pm

re: #68 MandyManners

Much better. I actually took a little pill for my sinuses and took a nap. Good stuff.

Pleased to hear it!

79 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #63 VioletTiger

You can't yell at a TV screen in an airport terminal. Which is a shame because that's where I am and there is CNN on disparaging Dick Cheney and his criticism of Obama, etc.
So ridiculous. How about how the Obama admin gave all kinds of crap to the departing Bush admin? What a load of crap. And CNN has only hearsay to go on for most of their story.

* * * *
You CAN log on to FOX NEWS however.

CNN is 3rd rate news, now it's official.

80 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:12pm

re: #59 DisturbedEma

sigh. . .challange The Queen to a flex off. . .

Or, tell the queen that she really digs those curtains and asks to try one on.

81 MikeAlv77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

Neither - they both grovel in the presence of the One.

michelle ain't groveling before anyone! Heck, Barry is the one groveling in that relationship... You can just tell she wears the pants and everything else.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:37pm

re: #75 Bloodnok

"You put milk in tea over here? Weird!"

It's a disturbing taste if you're not used to it.

83 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:44pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Americans don't curtsey to royalty. God, I hope they get THAT message. BTW, Newsweek has a piece now on the business with the movies.

/somehow I just can't see the Obamas meeting the Queen being a gaffe free event

84 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:39:46pm
85 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Or, tell the queen that she really digs those curtains and asks to try one on.

Sigh. . .classless American a broad. . .

86 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:17pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout


They only get specific with one side.

Rarely did you hear such detail about who attends the lefts rallies.

Not that that excuses Nazis in our midst.

87 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

Then we shall retaliate with DVD copies of The Queen

/ooops...wrong reigon.

Actually - she really loved that fillum, according to leaks from Buck House.
And Helen Mirren is ours, anyway!

88 J Doc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:45pm

Who doesn't think Michelle will be running for office when the One is done?

89 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, that settles it, I am moving to China. "I'm getting paid for what, now"?

[NSFW]

LOL! Enjoy yourself!

90 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #85 DisturbedEma

Sigh. . .classless American a broad. . .

I just hope they don't embarass us again.

91 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a disturbing taste if you're not used to it.

I love it. Can't drink tea without milk (Twinings Irish Breakfast)

92 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:27pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

That seems like a pretty complicated weapon. I'm not sure if the Chinese Military has the capability to actually use it successfully. But it shouldn't be ignored either. Lets hope the USN is putting those upgrades used on the SM-3 to shoot down that broke NRO sat, out to the fleet

93 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:28pm

re: #88 J Doc

Who doesn't think Michelle will be running for office when the One is done?

What an awful thought......nightmare.

94 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:30pm

When told he would meet the Queen, President Obama was quoted as saying, "Sorry, I'm really not that fond of show tunes."

95 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:31pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/somehow I just can't see the Obamas meeting the Queen being a gaffe free event

So, did you get that statue thingy back ?

96 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:48pm

re: #84 taxfreekiller

some would lick Obama's feet two times a day

some cult members of the liberal Democrats are like that

* * * *
Taxfree,

Do you know whether there are any exit polls of today's New York's 20th congressional district election to replace Hillary Clinton's replacement?

NEW YORKERS, you have a couple hours left to vote TODAY.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:50pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/somehow I just can't see the Obamas meeting the Queen being a gaffe free event

They'll be OK. The Australians survived the time their PM met the Queen at the airport, and put an arm around her to walk her to the car. The British press nearly died, but everyone got over it in the end.

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:41:51pm

re: #6 Killian Bundy

/sure it's not just you?

No, and No. Your comments ARE replicating.

99 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:08pm

re: #78 Bloodnok

Thank you for asking!

100 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Or, tell the queen that she really digs those curtains and asks to try one on.

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

101 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:52pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, that settles it, I am moving to China. "I'm getting paid for what, now"?

[NSFW]

Why would they need a sperm bank in China?

Seriously.

102 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:55pm

re: #43 yma o hyd

Snigger!

Or dunk the biscuit into the tea ...

Or, horrors, wants the tea with lemon, shudder ...

Or wants some ICED tea instead of that weak hot stuff the rest of the world drinks.

103 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:42:59pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

Neither - they both grovel in the presence of the One.

You --- cannot --- be --- serious!

Michelle can grovel all she likes, the Queen never does, never has done, never will.

And PB0 will never know what she really thinks of him - ever!

(Nor will we, unfortunately, sigh ...)

104 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:08pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

Maybe she'll whack him with her purse.

105 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #90 MandyManners

I just hope they don't embarass us again.

* * **
I thought Obama did a great job commemorating military men at the Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery last week.

106 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:12pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/somehow I just can't see the Obamas meeting the Queen being a gaffe free event

"For no matter how silly the idea of having a Queen might be,..."
Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

107 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:16pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

GANG! Good News! I got the job in Denver! Denversportsradio.com is the site. Internet broadcast, i-phone and blackerry. I need to be packed AND moved by April 9th. YIKES! Wish me luck!

That is fantastic!

I guess this is a good time to mention that Mr. Doppel got a verbal job offer yesterday. No relocation, a combination of work from home and site visits, and more money than he made in his old job. If all goes well, he starts April 13.

108 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:17pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Ohhh forgot about the drapery outfit....

109 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:23pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

I think it would be ok. Barry has been dealing with Barney Frank and his buddies for years.

110 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:31pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, that settles it, I am moving to China. "I'm getting paid for what, now"?

[NSFW]


And I don't think that's what everybody means by "tea with milk."

111 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:31pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

UK Lizards are blushing...

112 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:31pm

I'm still clinging to Hope™ that the sales tax increase in California that goes into effect tomorrow is actually just an elaborate April Fools' Day prank perpetrated on us by the state legislature.

113 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:46pm
114 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:47pm

re: #103 yma o hyd

You --- cannot --- be --- serious!

Michelle can grovel all she likes, the Queen never does, never has done, never will.

And PB0 will never know what she really thinks of him - ever!

(Nor will we, unfortunately, sigh ...)

Look, I'm just telling you what I read on Barry's twitter page; that's the scheduled event, anyway.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:43:50pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

I was teaching a fencing class in Ireland once, when I told a young man to 'tuck in your fanny'. I wish there'd been cameras.

116 jdog29  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:04pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/somehow I just can't see the Obamas meeting the Queen being a gaffe free event

I'm embarassed for the U.S. already and I don't even know what will happen yet.

Sorry, U.K. our bad.

117 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:08pm

re: #103 yma o hyd

You --- cannot --- be --- serious!

Michelle can grovel all she likes, the Queen never does, never has done, never will.

And PB0 will never know what she really thinks of him - ever!

(Nor will we, unfortunately, sigh ...)

Can you imagine Michelle trying to give some of that radical chic attitude to the Queen?

118 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Maybe she'll whack him with her purse.

Are Corgis noted for leg-humping? That would make a nice photo op......

119 wiffersnapper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:21pm

All my momentary dismissals of irrelevancies over the past 5 years got me into Notre Dame grad school for this fall!

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:32pm

re: #89 scottishbuzzsaw

That's the problem. I've doing it myself for a long time now, when I could've been getting paid to have someone do it for me.

///win-win

122 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When told he would meet the Queen, President Obama was quoted as saying, "Sorry, I'm really not that fond of show tunes."

"But I thought Freddy Mercury died years ago!"

123 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Are Corgis noted for leg-humping? That would make a nice photo op......

You really think Barry'd stoop so low as to go after Her Majesty's dog? I mean, we all know about Michelle...

124 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:45:17pm
125 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:45:50pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

/I shudder to wonder how TOTUS would react if China were to take out one of our carriers

"Can you please Unclench your Fists, now?"

126 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:46:05pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

That's the problem. I've doing it myself for a long time now, when I could've been getting paid to have someone do it for me.

///win-win

Yeah...I thought about that interpretation...after hitting the 'post' button. ;>)

127 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:46:08pm

re: #113 taxfreekiller

96

20th has lots of union members,
20th has lots of union enforcers to go with that

not easy when they vote in the same order the vote reg. numbers

* * * *
I figured Obama's ACORN thugs are out in force today.

Please New Yorkers, get out the vote today in the 20th Congressional District.

128 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:46:41pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Or, tell the queen that she really digs those curtains and asks to try one on.

Teeheehee!

And another thing: Madame Sarkozy, the delectable Carla Bruni, isn't in London. She only accompanies her husband on proper state visits.
She will however be the hostess when the Obamas come to Strasbourg.
Oh la la.
La Bruni will be France's First Lady there, greeting the USA's First Lady. She won't be one amongst many in London.
Clever woman.

Meaow.

129 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:47:02pm

bbl

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Interesting that you would ask that question. My first question was "Can I earn enough to cover the cost of the trip"?
//

131 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:47:22pm

re: #14 Diamond Bullet

I wonder if there is a list of succession in the event something untoward happens to TOTUS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If TOTUS gets waylaid, is the next up the Presidential speakerphone? Intercom? ipod?

TOTUS Arriving in London soon. He's excited.

132 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:47:41pm

re: #111 Bloodnok

UK Lizards are blushing...

Not to worry, any protocol mistakes can be erased by the presentation of a giant "rubber" button.

133 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:48:17pm

For Dead Thread friends who might be interested, my pictures from the first ever baseball event at Citi field in NY...

Citi Field March 29, 2009

134 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:48:37pm

re: #131 Bobblehead

TOTUS Arriving in London soon. He's excited.


How many back up teleprompters are traveling with the head teleprompter? Buy stock....

135 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

They'll be OK. The Australians survived the time their PM met the Queen at the airport, and put an arm around her to walk her to the car. The British press nearly died, but everyone got over it in the end.

You're right there - and the Queen is probably less fussed about such things than the British Press, especially that section called 'the Royal Watchers'.

136 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:48:55pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Are Corgis noted for leg-humping? That would make a nice photo op......

Corgis are little toe nippers. I had a champion of the art. Sharp little teeth.

137 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:49:22pm

Uh oh.....
google search: Stormfront Tea Party

138 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:49:29pm

re: #133 tfc3rid

For Dead Thread friends who might be interested, my pictures from the first ever baseball event at Citi field in NY...

Citi Field March 29, 2009

That won't sit well with Оба́ма...

139 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:50:11pm

re: #133 tfc3rid

For Dead Thread friends who might be interested, my pictures from the first ever baseball event at Citi field in NY...

Citi Field March 29, 2009

My only criticism of your new stadium is that it seems to have to many huge billboards in the outfield.

140 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #135 yma o hyd

Hi {yma}...{Madame} *scritch*

142 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:50:44pm

re: #132 Occasional Reader

Not to worry, any protocol mistakes can be erased by the presentation of a giant "rubber" button.

Or a giant knob. A symbol of opening the door to better relations.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

What a disaster. Do they care that they are being infiltrated by scum?

144 jjmckay1216  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #20 Fenway_Nation

Sounds like good news....wonder if that site also snapped up some of the Rocky Mountain News beat writers while they were at it.

actually, some writers from the Rocky got investors and started a news website. might be denvertomes.com anyway, we are partnered with them and they are gonna have a show on the channel

145 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:11pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Nazi comment....

I support these Tea Parties 100%, who knows where they will led. I notice that just as in Glenn Beck's 9/12 project, 98% of those participating are white. We built this country and we will take it back from those destroying it.
146 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:23pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

I was teaching a fencing class in Ireland once, when I told a young man to 'tuck in your fanny'. I wish there'd been cameras.

Blimey - so would I!
And in Ireland, too ...

:-)

147 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:24pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
google search: Stormfront Tea Party

Uh, oh... more than a tempest in a teapot.

148 J Doc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:24pm

Whatever the Obamas do in the Queens presence, it seems to me that she has the grace, style, class, and humor to get though it.

149 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:53pm

Did you see that workers in France took 5 executives hostage over job cuts? Pretty scary. Won't be long before the pitchforks and torches come out here or overseas.

150 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Nazi comment....

UGH!

151 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:51:56pm

Hey all you dog lovers out there. turn mentioned here yesterday the lab cut one of his paw pads real bad last Wednesday. I've been talking to him on and off since then explaining "no we can't go for a walk until your paw heals" and many variations on this. I also spent time with him asking to see his paw and checking on the healing. I finally took him for a short walk in an open field last night and the paw didn't start bleeding again. At any rate I got home and of course he wanted to play ball then. He was staring me down on the patio wanting me to go for the ball I have up on a shelf. I told him "no, we are not going to play ball until you paw heals up".
He cocked his head at me then immediately laid down and started licking his paw like crazy. I swear he knows what I'm telling him and wants that paw healed NOW. I told him the same thing in front of the turnwife later, he did the same damn thing. Too funny.

152 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:52:30pm

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

There a lot of apathy on the right these days about facts, honesty and scummy associations. I don't really know if enough people care anymore.

153 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #139 Nevergiveup

My only criticism of your new stadium is that it seems to have to many huge billboards in the outfield.

Have you seen New Yankee Stadium? LOL It's really not that bad once inside. Pictures do the place no justice...

154 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:52:51pm

re: #148 J Doc

Whatever the Obamas do in the Queens presence, it seems to me that she has the grace, style, class, and humor to get though it.

And then when the Оба́маs are out of sight, would she unleash a string of invectives such as the world has never seen?

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:52:56pm

“Slightly smaller than Oregon”: a White House briefing on Britain

Just when I think we are past the amateurish diplomatic gaffes of a perpetually campaigning politician something like this surfaces.

156 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:17pm

re: #153 tfc3rid

Have you seen New Yankee Stadium? LOL It's really not that bad once inside. Pictures do the place no justice...

Not yet

157 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:21pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Are Corgis noted for leg-humping? That would make a nice photo op......

OMG! That was sofa king funny!

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:55pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I do. Not in my fucking foxhole.

159 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:57pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Or, tell the queen that she really digs those curtains and asks to try one on.

"I saw it in the window and I just couldn't resist it!"

160 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:53:58pm

re: #117 Ben Hur

Can you imagine Michelle trying to give some of that radical chic attitude to the Queen?

Aww - Michelle will do very well.
After all, the Queen has really seen it all, she knows how to look pleased even when not.

161 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #156 Nevergiveup

Not yet

Oh, I meant if you think the Mets have ads... Just wait... LOL

As for my other statement that pics do not do it justice, I was referring to Citi Field.

162 rw in san diego  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #135 yma o hyd

I think there was a similar incident with one of our politicians, who tried to take her arm. He wasn't aware that nobody touches the queen. Anybody remember who that was?

163 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:55:32pm
164 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:55:41pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Are Corgis noted for leg-humping? That would make a nice photo op......

Corgies are known for ankle-biting - they will be formly kep behind closed doors in the private apartments of the Queen.

Neither Michelle nor PB0 will be in danger of falling over one or having their ankles chewed, thats for sure!

165 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:55:49pm

re: #162 rw in san diego

I think there was a similar incident with one of our politicians, who tried to take her arm. He wasn't aware that nobody touches the queen. Anybody remember who that was?

That wouldn't have been stand up Joe Biden per chance?

166 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:00pm

re: #157 Russkilitlover

OMG! That was sofa king funny!

My corgi never humped a leg. Except my black mutt's the first time they met. He was 9 weeks, and he wanted to make sure she knew he was in charge.

That, or he was overwhelmed by her beauty, not an impossible thing.

167 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:01pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

There a lot of apathy on the right these days about facts, honesty and scummy associations. I don't really know if enough people care anymore.

It drives me crazy. People are prepared to ride out this "the left got away with it for 8 years" stuff until Obama's last day in office. I am not pleased with the right's reaction to our current situation. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

168 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:01pm
169 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:02pm

re: #133 tfc3rid

For Dead Thread friends who might be interested, my pictures from the first ever baseball event at Citi field in NY...

Citi Field March 29, 2009

Great shots. Would have been even better had the weather cooperated, but going into a new ballpark is going to be odd. I was there when they shut down Shea, and I'll be at Yankee Stadium for opening weekend. I wont get to Citifield until midsummer.

170 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:09pm

re: #162 rw in san diego

I think there was a similar incident with one of our politicians, who tried to take her arm. He wasn't aware that nobody touches the queen. Anybody remember who that was?

Probably Bill Clinton and he wasn't reaching for her arm.

171 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, that settles it, I am moving to China. "I'm getting paid for what, now"?

[NSFW]

You have to admire the handiwork of the Chinese nurses.

172 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #168 Iron Fist

Um... you might want to reconsider that post.

173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #141 jcm


Tensegrity
are very cool also.....

I learn something new each day on LGF.

174 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #140 scottishbuzzsaw

Hi {yma}...{Madame} *scritch*

Hi {scotti}!

Madame is back in form - barking at he postman, jumping about, she deserves a tummy tickle!

175 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:57:39pm

re: #128 yma o hyd

Teeheehee!

And another thing: Madame Sarkozy, the delectable Carla Bruni, isn't in London. She only accompanies her husband on proper state visits.
She will however be the hostess when the Obamas come to Strasbourg.
Oh la la.
La Bruni will be France's First Lady there, greeting the USA's First Lady. She won't be one amongst many in London.
Clever woman.

Meaow.

Oh, my. How delightfully femine! I love it.

176 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:02pm

re: #11 J Doc

Saw an article today putting Michele O and Carla Bruni in the same class. Who are they trying to kid?

On a related thought; why do they have female and gay judges at beauty pageants?

Seriously. The judges should all be red blooded American Males with a sufficient level of testosterone. Truck drivers, Marines and construction workers . . . and me.

177 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:08pm

re: #175 Russkilitlover

Oh, my. How delightfully femine[er...feminine] ! I love it.

178 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:19pm

re: #164 yma o hyd

Corgies are known for ankle-biting - they will be formly kep behind closed doors in the private apartments of the Queen.

Neither Michelle nor PB0 will be in danger of falling over one or having their ankles chewed, thats for sure!

Corgis nip!

Mine greets visitors with a ball in his mouth, as nip prevention. Clever little boy that he is.

179 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:30pm

re: #169 lawhawk

Well, if you do want in, I have 2 season tix with the commoners in the Promenade...

That said, you could go in for a game and never even see your seat... Great standing room sections...

I have Club Level seats for Saturday against the Red Sox...

180 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #148 J Doc

Whatever the Obamas do in the Queens presence, it seems to me that she has the grace, style, class, and humor to get though it.

Absolutely!
After over fifty years experience in that job ...

:-)))

181 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

Then, the Obamas will present the Queen of the gift of a "fanny pack", and she'll retaliate by asking him if he wouldn't feel more comfortable with a "pack of fags", and the next thing you know, we're at war with Britain...

A simple innocent fist bump and all sense of decorum is gone forever.

182 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:56pm

re: #175 Russkilitlover

Oh, my. How delightfully femine! I love it.

Doesn't eat much?

183 J Doc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:58:58pm

re: #176 father_of_10
Agreed!

184 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:59:09pm

re: #168 Iron Fist

Wow, dude...

185 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:59:14pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Well, that'll get a rise out of 'em.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:59:35pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

You have to admire the handiwork of the Chinese nurses.

Certainly. They're not afraid of using a little elbow grease.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:59:35pm
188 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:00:02pm

re: #164 yma o hyd

Corgies are known for ankle-biting - they will be formly kep behind closed doors in the private apartments of the Queen.

Neither Michelle nor PB0 will be in danger of falling over one or having their ankles chewed, thats for sure!

Damn British manners!

189 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #151 turn

Cute story! Without a doubt, dogs pick up on words pretty quickly. My sister's family's dog got a Christmas present this year, a chew toy in the shape of a hedgehog, which was promptly dubbed "Hedgie". He ADORES it, and constantly carries it around with him, eagerly showing it to anyone who enters the house. If he happens not to have it at any given moment, and you ask him "where's Hedgie?", he runs and gets it.

190 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:00:47pm
191 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #151 turn

Thats one clever dog!

Once that paw is healed thoroughly - bathing all paws in salt water makes the pads stronger and more resistant to cuts and such.

Dunno if he'd agree to it - Big Dog hid under the table when I got the bowl out for his footbath!

192 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:01:34pm
193 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:01:42pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

You have to admire the handiwork of the Chinese nurses.

Those nurses sure rise to the occasion . .or rather their patients do.

194 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:01:46pm

He’s not the Barack Obama Europe Knew

And for all Obama’s pledges of multilateralism, he’s finding out that going it alone is not an exercise in arrogance, but an occasional occupational necessity. He tried (he really did) to get Europe to take in some Guantanamo Bay detainees, but that too has been “shelved.” Likewise European support for an effective sanctions regime against Iran is dwindling with Obama in office, not reifying, and this leaves the U.S. as the lone spoiler of Western trade with Iran.

I can't wait to hear how Obama "squandered the world’s sympathy"... you know it's coming.

195 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:01:49pm

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

196 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:23pm
197 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:26pm
198 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:37pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

Anybody who knows is dead?
/

199 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:37pm

Posted on the National Tea Party message board.....
What did the National Socialist Party do exactly?

For Germany's economic miracle, what exactly did the party do? What other elements might/ have contributed to the miracle? Thanks in advance.

200 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

Certainly. They're not afraid of using a little elbow grease.

And I suppose they're the kind of gals you'd want to take on a fishing trip, too, because once you need help to bait that hook, you can rest assured that they're.... oh, you know.

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #193 Creeping Eruption

Those nurses sure rise to the occasion . .or rather their patients do.

Your nic seems to fit this topic perfectly.

202 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:02:50pm

re: #195 opnion

No but if CNN is reporting it and its from Seymour Hirsh, it HAS to be true!

Do these idiots realize that The Bush Administration is no longer in power?

203 seekeroftruth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:03:18pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

“Slightly smaller than Oregon”: a White House briefing on Britain

Just when I think we are past the amateurish diplomatic gaffes of a perpetually campaigning politician something like this surfaces.

Wow..... That will encourage the respect of the world.... ////

204 Lincolntf  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #195 opnion

I have always wished that Vince Flynn was writing non-fiction. Maybe he is.

205 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:03:54pm
206 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:15pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

I saw this report as I am sitting in an airport. My impression is that there were few facts and many speculations. In other words, a bunch of unsupported crap. Will be looking into this later.

207 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:17pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

SHIT! THEY'RE ON TO ME!

/WHITE SMOKE

208 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:21pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

If only - we'd have a whole lot less problems in the world.

209 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:22pm

re: #191 yma o hyd

Thats one clever dog!

Once that paw is healed thoroughly - bathing all paws in salt water makes the pads stronger and more resistant to cuts and such.

Dunno if he'd agree to it - Big Dog hid under the table when I got the bowl out for his footbath!

My dogs run headlong into the ocean, dive off the side into the pool, and plunge into the pond. But when I get out the bath stuff, they look like I'm going beat them senseless.

210 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:33pm

re: #141 jcm


Tensegrity
are very cool also.....

Takes me back to that old copy of "Shelter" that we had when I was a kid.

211 joncelli  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:39pm

re: #202 tfc3rid

Hirsch has a tendency to say one thing to audiences and write still another thing because his editors slap him down. If he's saying this to a crowd, it's likely horseshit.

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:53pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Your nic seems to fit this topic perfectly.

As does yours!

213 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:04:59pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Officer, dog square off against Modesto mob of 60

Damn.... scary shit. Imagine the headlines if the cop felt he had no choice but to start shooting? Officers shoots unarmed.... never mind that 1 v. 60 shooting would be justifiable if they didn't back down.

214 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:02pm

re: #189 Occasional Reader

Yeah, they are smart. Luke actually know the names of quite a few animals we run across at the river, rabbit, quail, deer, coyote, pheasant, even lizard. Seriously ...

215 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:08pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

You have to admire the handiwork of the Chinese nurses.

Those nurses sure rise to the occasion . .or rather their patients do.re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Your nic seems to fit this topic perfectly.

LOL. As does yours

216 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:23pm

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

As does yours!

GMTA

217 MikeAlv77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:23pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

This sounds like more Truther crap. Bush was so all powerful, he rigged the election, caused 9/11 and has this hit squad running around the planet. If this was true, the reporter would be toast

218 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:26pm

re: #204 Lincolntf

I have always wished that Vince Flynn was writing non-fiction. Maybe he is.

I love his books and I wish we had someone with the zeal of Mitch Rapp...

219 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:54pm

re: #202 tfc3rid

No but if CNN is reporting it and its from Seymour Hirsh, it HAS to be true!

Do these idiots realize that The Bush Administration is no longer in power?

That's what we want them to think. Shuush!
/

220 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:05:57pm
221 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:06:03pm

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

Tests damage people's self-esteem, whether they are classroom tests or test-osterone. To ensure that people are no longer testy, all forms of test, including those with -osterone, must be abolished.

/charlyesarte off

Replacement keyboard here! This one is covered with lunch.........

222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:06:38pm

re: #218 tfc3rid

I love his books and I wish we had someone with the zeal of Mitch Rapp...

He makes Jack Bauer look like a seminarian.

223 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

Seymor is senile.

224 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:06:53pm

re: #207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SHIT! THEY'RE ON TO ME!

Was that you who stole that hit from me in Paramaribo last month?

That was just plain rude.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:06:54pm

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #215 Creeping Eruption

I appreciate the flattering comments, but I do not have what is known as "Industry Talent". I have plenty of "talent", but not that much.

226 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:01pm

re: #178 Dianna

Corgis nip!

Mine greets visitors with a ball in his mouth, as nip prevention. Clever little boy that he is.

I ought to have been a bit more kind, describing what Corgies do.
In fact - nipping is exactly what they were being bred for: they are cattle-herding dogs, and have to nip the feet of recalcitrant cows to get them moving.
Demands a lot of courage, too, I'd say!

Wasn't meaning to diss corgies!

227 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:01pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

That it's nonsense, borrowed from the Griffin books of the last 3 years.

Hirsch lost his mind to BDS and Cheney DS years ago.

228 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:26pm

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He makes Jack Bauer look like a seminarian.

You got that right... I'm still 2 books behind the current one but man... Unbelieveable reads...

229 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:26pm
230 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:07:55pm
231 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:08:02pm

re: #147 jcm

Uh, oh... more than a tempest in a teapot.

This looks like trouble----

Tea parties are being hijacked by crazies

232 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:08:19pm

re: #226 yma o hyd

I ought to have been a bit more kind, describing what Corgies do.
In fact - nipping is exactly what they were being bred for: they are cattle-herding dogs, and have to nip the feet of recalcitrant cows to get them moving.
Demands a lot of courage, too, I'd say!

Wasn't meaning to diss corgies!

WOuld they be capable of herding wrold leaders in the right direction?

233 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:08:20pm

re: #229 Ward Cleaver

And the Dymaxion (the car).

I'd love to see Detroit start making those; I'd gladly pay for the bail-out for something as simple and commonsensical as that vehicle.

234 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:08:25pm
235 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:08:28pm

re: #195 opnion

CNN is repiorting that jounalist Seymor Hirsh has uneathed evidence of a US assasination squad that roamed the globe snuffing people on a list.
They are saying that the squad reported diectly & only to Cheny.
They would enter the country without our Ambassadors knowledge.
As far as I can tell Hirsh named no sources for the story & there are multiple denials from former Bush people.
Anybody know anything?

He needs Thorazine, and lots of it.

236 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #191 yma o hyd

Thats one clever dog!

Once that paw is healed thoroughly - bathing all paws in salt water makes the pads stronger and more resistant to cuts and such.

Dunno if he'd agree to it - Big Dog hid under the table when I got the bowl out for his footbath!

Hi yma, his pads are like friggin iron. I walk him across so much rough terrain, including cobblestones that were the dredge trailings along the American. This is what really surprised me, he cut his paw in my backyard. I would have surely expected it to happen on the trail. I still don't know what did it, I suspect a cut off stubby root sprout from my messy plumb tree.

237 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:07pm

re: #227 Dianna

That it's nonsense, borrowed from the Griffin books of the last 3 years.

Hirsch lost his mind to BDS and Cheney DS years ago.

Griffin books?!? Here in Las Vegas, that's what we call the books of people who have cheated the casinos, most of whom are banned for life.

238 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:14pm

re: #214 turn

Yeah, they are smart. Luke actually know the names of quite a few animals we run across at the river, rabbit, quail, deer, coyote, pheasant, even lizard. Seriously ...

Friends of mine with a Golden Lab had to start referring to "the s-word" instead of saying "squirrel"... otherwise the dog would run to the door and start barking frantically, eager for another go at her arch-nemesis!

239 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:16pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

“Slightly smaller than Oregon”: a White House briefing on Britain

Just when I think we are past the amateurish diplomatic gaffes of a perpetually campaigning politician something like this surfaces.


And "France is our oldest ally"

240 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:36pm

re: #214 turn

Yeah, they are smart. Luke actually know the names of quite a few animals we run across at the river, rabbit, quail, deer, coyote, pheasant, even lizard. Seriously ...

But does he know the really important one?

"Skunk!"

241 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:09:57pm
242 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #198 Nevergiveup

Anybody who knows is dead?
/


What bothers me is that Seymor Hirsh does not source his story.
A squad of assasins reporting directly to Cheny? I think that it is just a smear.

243 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

That's what we want them to think. Shuush!
/

Rove you magnificent bastard!

244 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:10:30pm

J.D.!

245 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:10:55pm

re: #242 opnion

What bothers me is that Seymor Hirsh does not source his story.
A squad of assasins reporting directly to Cheny? I think that it is just a smear.

He's famous for unnamed "sources".
I think they're mostly in his head.

246 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:10:59pm

Miss Universe thinks Camp Gitmo is relaxing and fun.......

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

247 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:07pm

re: #195 opnion

Now there's a shock. It seems anyone who openly criticizes Hussein Dolt gets raked over the coals by his MSM proxies...

Limbaugh for saying on his show that he hopes 0bama fails (although he was a popular MSM target well before that)

Jim Cramer for calling 0bama's policies as 'wealth destruction'

And now Cheney for pointing out the 0bama hasn't neccecarily made
the country safer

Hell- there's Joe the Plumber, and that was even before Hussein Dolt was elected.

248 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:15pm

re: #245 J.D.

He's famous for unnamed "sources".
I think they're mostly in his head.

The ones that talk to him.

249 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:22pm

re: #245 J.D.

He's famous for unnamed "sources".
I think they're mostly in his head.

No, they communicate with him through his fillings.

250 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:34pm
251 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #233 Guanxi88

I'd love to see Detroit start making those; I'd gladly pay for the bail-out for something as simple and commonsensical as that vehicle.


Tesla S,

Three different power configurations will be available, Mr. Musk said, “160-mile, 230-mile and 300-mile battery packs.” The 160-mile pack comes standard on the $57,400 base model (a federal tax credit can shave $7,500 from the price)
252 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:41pm

re: #235 Ward Cleaver

He needs Thorazine, and lots of it.

I am trying to remember, didn't he recently report something else nutty?

253 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:43pm
254 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:53pm

re: #242 opnion

What bothers me is that Seymor Hirsh does not source his story.
A squad of assasins reporting directly to Cheny? I think that it is just a smear.

A smear they were only too happy to report.

255 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:54pm

re: #244 Ward Cleaver

J.D.!

WARD!

256 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Officer, dog square off against Modesto mob of 60


Did you see one of the comments which said that there were only 20 to 30 in the crowd? Does that make any difference?

257 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #232 VioletTiger

WOuld they be capable of herding wrold leaders in the right direction?

Turn two corgis loose on all the world's leaders. They'd be model leaders within 15 minutes.

Or else!

258 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
google search: Stormfront Tea Party

This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of control, and nobody takes responsibility for keeping out the crazies. Ron Paul and neo-Nazis.

Pitiful. And that's why I just can't promote these tea party protests. I saw this coming from a mile away.

Unless the organizers of these things start making it clear that the kooks and racists aren't welcome, this is going to turn into another massive SNAFU for the GOP. (Actually, it already is.)

259 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #218 tfc3rid

I read his book Protect and Defend, which had a fun plot, but it was ruined for me by some serious factual errors. Part of the story took place in Mosul, which Flynn describes as part of Kurdish Iraq (it isn't) and the group MEK is described as an Iraqi Kurdish militia (they're not). There were several other similar mistakes.

In my opinion, if somebody is going to write a thriller about current affairs, he ought to do his homework.

260 mikalm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #249 Guanxi88

No, they communicate with him through his fillings.

"What's the frequency, Seymour?"

261 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #226 yma o hyd

Kelpies nip like that too, sister in law in Australia raises them. That's one smart dog too.

262 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:38pm

re: #246 VioletTiger

Miss Universe thinks Camp Gitmo is relaxing and fun.......

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Miss Venezuela? Hope she's not planning on returning to Hugoland.

263 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:12:39pm

re: #237 gmsc

Griffin books?!? Here in Las Vegas, that's what we call the books of people who have cheated the casinos, most of whom are banned for life.

Sorry. I'm thinking of W.E.B. Griffin.

264 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:00pm
265 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #245 J.D.

He's famous for unnamed "sources".
I think they're mostly in his head.

Yeah, but CNN runs with it & then says that the Bush people are more nuanced. Nuanced? They flat denied it.

266 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:16pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

“Slightly smaller than Oregon”: a White House briefing on Britain

Just when I think we are past the amateurish diplomatic gaffes of a perpetually campaigning politician something like this surfaces.

The United Kingdom, we are told, is "slightly smaller than Oregon". As for the the British climate, it is "generally mild and temperate" and "subject to frequent changes but few extremes of temperature". A "group of islands close to continental Europe", Britain has been "subject to many invasions and migrations".


The current and potentially most deadly invasion being by the Obamabots........
"Stand by to repel boarders......."
/

267 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:24pm

re: #258 Charles

And that's why I just can't promote these tea party protests. I saw this coming from a mile away.

I never looked at them closely, partly because they smelled kind of funny to me, too.

268 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:35pm

re: #248 Ward Cleaver

The ones that talk to him.

It would be A-OK if they billed it as fiction. Y'know?

269 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:44pm

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Ha! I left that off the list, I think that was the first animal word he learned. He caught one when he was one but hasn't managed to ever repeat that.

270 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:50pm

re: #209 Russkilitlover

My dogs run headlong into the ocean, dive off the side into the pool, and plunge into the pond. But when I get out the bath stuff, they look like I'm going beat them senseless.

Now that sounds just sooo familiar!

Big Dog was in any river, lake, dirch, pond, int he twinkling of an eye - and he never came out before he was exhasuted, not even for a biscuit!

But, I swear, when we were even just thinking of giving him a well-deserved shampoo - he was off! Took two of us to drag him under the shower and keep him there - and even then he sometimes escaped, with shampoo still sticking on him!
Madame - well, she makes out as if I'm applying the worst torture possible to her, and when I'm finished, she tears through the house like a thing possessed.
And its her who loves lying down in the most horrid, stinky, disgusting puddles - full length!

I don't understand dogs, I really don't ...

271 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:56pm

re: #267 Occasional Reader

I never looked at them closely, partly because they smelled kind of funny to me, too.

Steeped in crazies?

272 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:13:56pm

re: #249 Guanxi88

No, they communicate with him through his fillings.

LOL!

273 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:14:02pm

re: #254 VioletTiger

A smear they were only too happy to report.

With gusto! It was Rick Sanchez.

274 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #262 Ward Cleaver

Miss Venezuela? Hope she's not planning on returning to Hugoland.

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

275 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:14:43pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

New nanny.

276 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:14:43pm

re: #256 summergurl

Did you see one of the comments which said that there were only 20 to 30 in the crowd? Does that make any difference?

No.

Especially since I doubt the officer had 20 to 30 bullets.

277 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:15:40pm

re: #232 VioletTiger

WOuld they be capable of herding wrold leaders in the right direction?

With a bit of training - no doubt about it, none at all!

278 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:15:46pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

'She followed me home. Can I keep her?"

279 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #253 taxfreekiller

Ward Cleaver

what the hell is that crap about the "cage fights" in some dallas school for the learning disabled?

That was at SOC (South Oak Cliff High School, in Dallas). You may also have been thinking of the fights organized by the orderlies at one of the Texas State Schools (the schools for the mentally disabled). In Corpus, maybe?

280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:08pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

Au pair. Who cares if you don't have a kid?

281 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

That our leaders need to be briefed at this puerile level is disturbing indeed.

It's apparently a briefing book for the press, from the White House. Which might tell you something about J-School.

282 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #258 Charles

The only acceptable tea party involving Stormfront Nazis should be where they are thrown into the water.

283 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:31pm

re: #268 J.D.

It would be A-OK if they billed it as fiction. Y'know?

Some one would write it as wish-fulfillment.

284 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:33pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh

do not say a word
its not here
and the threads have not gone
off the rail, and sanity prevails

act like you do not notice

What did you put in your afternoon tea TFK?

285 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #258 Charles

This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of control, and nobody takes responsibility for keeping out the crazies. Ron Paul and neo-Nazis.

Pitiful. And that's why I just can't promote these tea party protests. I saw this coming from a mile away.

Unless the organizers of these things start making it clear that the kooks and racists aren't welcome, this is going to turn into another massive SNAFU for the GOP. (Actually, it already is.)

Since that's the case, what's the best way for regular Joe and Jane Schmoes to protest what's happening? WITHOUT the neo-Nazis getting involved?

286 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:16:55pm

re: #258 Charles

This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of control, and nobody takes responsibility for keeping out the crazies. Ron Paul and neo-Nazis.

Pitiful. And that's why I just can't promote these tea party protests. I saw this coming from a mile away.

Unless the organizers of these things start making it clear that the kooks and racists aren't welcome, this is going to turn into another massive SNAFU for the GOP. (Actually, it already is.)

Lots of kooky types will show up at those. Scary.

287 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:12pm
288 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #282 ArchangelMichael

The only acceptable tea party involving Stormfront Nazis should be where they are thrown into the water.


[Video]

I'm pretty sure that would violate some anti-pollution laws.
Eh' pay the fine and move on, I guess.

289 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #265 opnion

Yeah, but CNN runs with it & then says that the Bush people are more nuanced. Nuanced? They flat denied it.

Yeah, well, that's normal.

Know what's the worst thing about flying Delta?
You always end up going through Atlanta and the only thing they ever have on is CNN.

I hate that.

290 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #266 LGoPs

Will Obama be meeting the British PM Edmund Blackadder?

291 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #240 Dianna

But does he know the really important one?

"Skunk!"


Seriously I worry about that, no fortunately he hasn't learned that word yet. I worry about "snake" more. We've run accross two so far, one was a baby rattler (I think)and the other a King snake. Both times I didn't point them out to him and he luckly passed right by them. I don't want him getting that word in his vocabulary.

292 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:42pm

re: #258 Charles

The whole idea had a somewhat off-putting rancid odor about it, and this just confirms my nose knew.

293 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:53pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

She doesn't look like the type that does windows, so?

294 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

Don't bother. She'll take one look and grab a spork.

295 jjmckay1216  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:17:59pm

re: #32 FrogMarch

Great news! and welcome to the Denver area.

luckily just renting

296 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:01pm

re: #290 Kenneth

Will Obama be meeting the British PM Edmund Blackadder?

Blackadder would tear him a new one.

297 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:05pm

re: #276 Dianna

No.

Especially since I doubt the officer had 20 to 30 bulletsrounds.

Quite likely, I'd say. Glock 17 duty pistol plus two extra mags = 51 or 52 rounds.

298 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #285 Macker

Vote for real fiscal conservatives at all levels of government.

299 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:19pm

Good afternoon Dianne! I responded to your post about adding me to your mailing list but you may have missed it. Nic is blue. Thanks!

300 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:36pm

re: #289 J.D.

Yeah, well, that's normal.

Know what's the worst thing about flying Delta?
You always end up going through Atlanta and the only thing they ever have on is CNN.

I hate that.

Surprisingly a few weeks ago when checking out the ATL suburbs, I noticed a lot places actually had on FNC as opposed to CNN.

301 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:47pm

re: #271 Creeping Eruption

Steeped in crazies?

It's too bad. Would have been a nice place to vent and show opposition to Obamas policies. Peacefully of course. Kooks ruin everything.

302 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:47pm

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

That our leaders need to be briefed at this puerile level is disturbing indeed.

This by the same administration that's going to make education a #1 priority.......
/ Sheesh

303 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:53pm

re: #275 Creeping Eruption

New nanny.

For my inner child! That's it!

Or I could explain how I'm trying to earn us some extra cash in Shangai...

304 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Blackadder would tear him a new one.

Hell, Baldric could probably outwit his foreign policy advisors.

305 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:23pm
306 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:27pm

re: #276 Dianna

No.

Especially since I doubt the officer had 20 to 30 bullets.

Depending on weapon. My 9mm was 15 round mags; 3 mags, plus one in the pipe for 46 rounds. LE mags are 12 to 15 rounds each, common practice is to carry 2 spare mags. Officers commonly have between 37 to 46 rounds on them. How many you could get off before a crowd is on them is another matter. The idea is if the officer drops a couple of the closest assailants the rest with stop when they see them go down. However crowd dynamics are unpredictable.

307 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:31pm

re: #304 Guanxi88

Hell, Baldric could probably outwit his foreign policy advisors.

Baaaaaal-DRIC!

308 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #298 ArchangelMichael

Yeah, that goes without saying, but until then?

309 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:54pm

re: #236 turn

Hi yma, his pads are like friggin iron. I walk him across so much rough terrain, including cobblestones that were the dredge trailings along the American. This is what really surprised me, he cut his paw in my backyard. I would have surely expected it to happen on the trail. I still don't know what did it, I suspect a cut off stubby root sprout from my messy plumb tree.

Extraordinary!

I'm always on the look-out for broken glass bottles, because with the brith weather, the youths are out drinking and smash their bottles any place they like.
Madame, and Big Dog as well, have learned to walk away when I hiss 'glasssssssssss'.
Cuts can be quite dangerous - and dogs so dislike having to wear bootees! Well, Big Dog managed to get rid of his within five minutes, no matter what ...

310 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:19:55pm

re: #264 Iron Fist

The "France" that was our oldest ally hasn't been around for what, 220 years? What republic are we in now, the fifth? Sixth? Something like that. France hasn't been much of a power since WWI at the latest.


No kidding. Yet that is what they printed in the briefing book-

which btw sounded like something geared toward a 3rd grader

311 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:20:02pm
312 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:20:29pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Was that you who stole that hit from me in Paramaribo last month?

That was just plain rude.

I had the shot, you didn't. There is a reason why my code name is Collateral Damage Man.

Shame about those poor puffins though. I didn't realize they were quite so aerodynamic.

313 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:07pm

re: #267 Occasional Reader

I never looked at them closely, partly because they smelled kind of funny to me, too.


That was the patchouli tea you were smelling ------//

314 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:15pm

re: #297 Occasional Reader

Quite likely, I'd say. Glock 17 duty pistol plus two extra mags = 51 or 52 rounds.

Well, yes. Sorry.

But he'd have to make the entire first magazine count. I doubt he'd have time to reload.

Granted, it would be an awfully determined mob that kept coming after a number went down, but 20 to 30 people vs. one officer and a hand gun is not good odds.

315 jjmckay1216  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:18pm

That would be welcome BACK to Denver. Spent 5 years at KOOL105

316 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:20pm

re: #289 J.D.

Yeah, well, that's normal.

Know what's the worst thing about flying Delta?
You always end up going through Atlanta and the only thing they ever have on is CNN.

I hate that.

As I travel around, business class hotels now have FNC.
In the morning it is turned on in the dining rooms at beakast.

317 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:24pm

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

That our leaders need to be briefed at this puerile level is disturbing indeed.

This is a press kit, an inch thick folder meant to brief REPORTERS.

318 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:21:50pm

Obama Warranty Plan Leaves Many GM, Chrysler Owners Vulnerable

Just call him Mr. Goodwrench.

That's what President Obama is telling American car owners and buyers, making them an offer they can't refuse: If General Motors or Chrysler won't honor their warranties, he will.

319 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:22:32pm

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Blackadder would tear him a new one.

And Barry would sit their grinning as the jokes passed over his pay grade

320 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:22:37pm

And now, please rise for the 0bama National Anthem, "The Country's In The Very Best of Hands":

321 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #318 jorline

Obama Warranty Plan Leaves Many GM, Chrysler Owners Vulnerable

If I take my car to the White House can I get it serviced?

322 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:22:52pm

re: #318 jorline

Obama Warranty Plan Leaves Many GM, Chrysler Owners Vulnerable

The man is making promises his ego can't keep.

323 brookly red  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

I am ready to do my part to offer her asylum if need be. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Open to suggestions as to how to explain this to my wife)

/ maybe just a txt...

324 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:15pm

re: #276 Dianna

No.

Especially since I doubt the officer had 20 to 30 bullets.


I agree. Whether there were 30 people or 60 there was only one dog and one officer. Oh yeah, and one gun, that leveled the playing field a bit. Course I would bet some of the crowd was armed too.

325 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:24pm

re: #311 taxfreekiller

Ward

Why in the hell did the DA not put those sob's in jail.

cage fights with kids at school

nuts

The freakin' school district has been out of control for years, no, decades. When I was in HS in the '70s, we called DISD "Disneyland". Hinojosa is in waaaay over his head.

BTW, I had a cousin (now deceased) that graduated from SOC back in 1965, before the neighborhood changed.

326 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:24pm

re: #300 tfc3rid

Surprisingly a few weeks ago when checking out the ATL suburbs, I noticed a lot places actually had on FNC as opposed to CNN.


Good!

327 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:25pm
328 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:26pm

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had the shot, you didn't.

You need to join the union, so we can avoid these embarrassing situations in the future.

329 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #321 jcm

If I take my car to the White House can I get it serviced?

That would have been done if Clinton were still POTUS.

330 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:53pm

re: #318 jorline

Obama Warranty Plan Leaves Many GM, Chrysler Owners Vulnerable

Fuck my car, I'm more worried about my paychecks' vulnerability.

331 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:23:58pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Uh oh.....
google search: Stormfront Tea Party

They are trying to use the tea parties. Here's a post on a Nazi blog, watch out for them:

"Here's a group known as The Patriotic Resistance, The network for idea-based resistance to Obama-led socialistic agenda

This is not a racial group, but I met some of their people at a recent Sheriff Joe Arpaio protest. Most of this group is white(99%) and are behind much of the tax protests across the country. I have become involved with these people, but have not discussed racial matters as this would not be the time or place to do so. I believe they are becoming fairly well organized. We should pay attention to what they are doing."

332 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:03pm

Excuse me, I must go eat.

333 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #297 Occasional Reader

But it could've been a newer .40S&W....heavier round than the 9mm, but you give up capacity. Maybe 12 rounds per clip?

Besides....wether it was 20 or 60, you think any of them would obligingly sit still once the lead started to fly?

334 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:12pm

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And Barry would sit their grinning as the jokes passed over his pay grade

Waaaaaaaay over his pay grade.

"I don't get that one."

335 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:19pm
336 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:33pm
337 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:46pm

re: #322 FurryOldGuyJeans

The man is making promises his ego can't keep.

Would make an interesting breach of contract suit.

FurryOldGuyJeans
vs.
General Motors, Barack Obama President and CEO, et. al.

For breach of warranty contracts.

338 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:52pm

re: #278 opnion

'She followed me home. Can I keep her?"


That wouldn't work and neither would "But honey, two wives make so much more sense"... lol

339 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:24:52pm

re: #309 yma o hyd

Fortunately we don't encounter glass much on the trails we're on (can't remember ever worrying about that). He's pretty rugged. I have never clipped his nails, and he turned three last November. He wears them down.

340 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #335 Iron Fist

That's what I was thinking.

Now, I really do need to go get some lunch.

341 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:25:36pm

re: #316 opnion

As I travel around, business class hotels now have FNC.
In the morning it is turned on in the dining rooms at beakast.

Cool!
I took my mother for her first trip to Disney World (she's in her 70s) and we stayed at the Grand Floridian...amazingly, they just didn't offer Fox news.
Pitiful.

342 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #321 jcm

If I take my car to the White House can I get it serviced?

Reading upthread, I think you have to take it to Shanghai.

343 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #318 jorline

Obama Warranty Plan Leaves Many GM, Chrysler Owners Vulnerable

Great. The White House lawn is gonna be covered with oil stains and chryslers on blocks. I'm guessing the cabinet meeting table is going to end up with a half rebuilt carburetor soaking in gasoline sitting on it

344 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:26:17pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

and she would constantly ask him questions like, "Chicago's a state, right?"

Great Caesar's Ghost.
Please tell me this person was not a US citizen, at least not a native-born one.

345 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #336 buzzsawmonkey

"Clenis car detailing on the East Coast."

David Axelrod will be giving free lube jobs.

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:26:41pm

re: #256 summergurl

Did you see one of the comments which said that there were only 20 to 30 in the crowd? Does that make any difference?

I don't know where you saw that comment because there are ZERO comments on the story at the Modesto Bee website.

347 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:26:48pm

re: #289 J.D.

Yeah, well, that's normal.

Know what's the worst thing about flying Delta?
You always end up going through Atlanta and the only thing they ever have on is CNN.

I hate that.


Had to upding you on that one - I always ask the counter help if they can change the channel to FOX - I get a blank look and then they say that it is programmed for only one channel.

348 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:27:26pm

re: #334 Ward Cleaver

Waaaaaaaay over his pay grade.

"I don't get that one."

Barry and Baldrick would probably get along great.

349 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:27:30pm
350 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #314 Dianna

The dog would probaly rip 10 of them a new ahole and chase off the rest.

351 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:28pm

Its Madame-Time, I better go!

:-)

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

352 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:38pm

re: #300 tfc3rid

Surprisingly a few weeks ago when checking out the ATL suburbs, I noticed a lot places actually had on FNC as opposed to CNN.


The inflight tv only had CNN -

353 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:43pm

re: #347 summergurl

Had to upding you on that one - I always ask the counter help if they can change the channel to FOX - I get a blank look and then they say that it is programmed for only one channel.

Funny that they'd program the tv to the lowest rated channel.

354 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:46pm

re: #335 Iron Fist

The thing is that a crowd of that size can storm a guy who has nothing more than a pistol, and just roll right over him. It isn't just how much ammunition he has. He's pretty much hanging out there in the breeze all by himself like that...

Yep. If the crowd decides to roll that pretty much it. In that situation the Officer needs to try to identify a "leader" in the crowd. That's his first target if it becomes necessary and if he has the shot, idea being take out the leader and it takes the wind out of everyone's sails. Many times in those case disengagement is problematic because the crowd won't allow the officer to disengage.

355 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #345 KenJen

David Axelrod will be giving free lube jobs.

Barney will be taking care of worn ball joints.

356 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #333 Fenway_Nation

But it could've been a newer .40S&W....heavier round than the 9mm, but you give up capacity. Maybe 12 rounds per clip?

Besides....wether it was 20 or 60, you think any of them would obligingly sit still once the lead started to fly?

I agree, I would not want to take on even an unarmed angry crowd that size with just a handgun, no matter how many rounds I was carrying. I was just disputing Dianna's post that doubted he was carrying 20-30 rounds. And I was doing that mostly to get under Dianna's skin, of course!

357 turn  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:28:54pm

re: #351 yma o hyd

Its Madame-Time, I better go!

:-)

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

bye, have a good one!

358 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:29:08pm

re: #276 Dianna

No.

Especially since I doubt the officer had 20 to 30 bullets.

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Easy for me to say, of course.
/

359 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:29:43pm

re: #354 jcm

Yep. If the crowd decides to roll that pretty much it. In that situation the Officer needs to try to identify a "leader" in the crowd. That's his first target if it becomes necessary and if he has the shot, idea being take out the leader and it takes the wind out of everyone's sails. Many times in those case disengagement is problematic because the crowd won't allow the officer to disengage.

you beat me to it.....
:)

360 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:29:53pm

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

Native-born US citizen, from one of our inner-city neighborhoods.

Oy to the vey (as WriterMom would say).

361 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:29:55pm

When is the Homeland Security Advisory System going to change to Mrs. BO's favorite color purple and lime green only?

362 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #347 summergurl

Had to upding you on that one - I always ask the counter help if they can change the channel to FOX - I get a blank look and then they say that it is programmed for only one channel.

Well, you wouldn't want to present more than one point of view and confuse people now, would you?

363 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:30:10pm

re: #358 LGoPs

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Easy for me to say, of course.
/

That's the essence of it.

364 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:30:25pm

re: #347 summergurl

Had to upding you on that one - I always ask the counter help if they can change the channel to FOX - I get a blank look and then they say that it is programmed for only one channel.

Since it's usually cheaper to fly out of Hartford or Providence, I've noticed that at first glance the TVs in Hartford seem to be on CNBC and the ones in Providence will be on NESN. Granted it's been nearly 18 months since I flew out of either one...

Hate to say it, but I think CNN is the norm for most airports.

365 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:30:30pm

re: #345 KenJen

David Axelrod will be giving free lube jobs.

too late, Barney Frank already volunteered.

and yes, he didn't read it before he voted for it.

366 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:30:59pm

re: #314 Dianna

Well, yes. Sorry.

But he'd have to make the entire first magazine count. I doubt he'd have time to reload.

Granted, it would be an awfully determined mob that kept coming after a number went down, but 20 to 30 people vs. one officer and a hand gun is not good odds.

Not when you are surrounded. We have a Glock pistol and it would take too much time to reload. You'd be smacked over the head by then.

367 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:05pm

re: #365 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

too late, Barney Frank already volunteered.

and yes, he didn't read it before he voted for it.

EWWWWWWWWWW!
Brain Bleach!

368 KenJen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:06pm

re: #355 SasquatchOnSteroids

Barney will be taking care of worn ball joints.

I dont want to know who's handling the pisstons.

369 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:15pm

re: #304 Guanxi88

Hell, Baldric could probably outwit his foreign policy advisors.

Well, Baldrick always has a cunning plan.

370 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:32pm

re: #358 LGoPs

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Easy for me to say, of course.
/

Crowd control using firearms is exceptionally difficult, but surprisingly effective. As you allude to, the best tactic is to hit the biggest, loudest SOB in the group, or, at a minimum, the one most vivible to them and you.

You don't necessarily need a kill-shot, but if you're gonna shoot, shoot to kill.

Most experience suggests that an unorganized mob will disperse at the first shot fired; if they're organized to any extent, however, it'll look like the last 30 minutes of Zulu.

371 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:33pm

re: #353 debutaunt

Funny that they'd program the tv to the lowest rated channel.

They have a captive audience.

Of course, I now have a cell phone that has Fox News on it, so there! lol

372 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:40pm
373 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:50pm

re: #358 LGoPs

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Or, put the gun to your own head, and bark "nobody move, or the pig gets it!"

/watched Blazing Saddles too many times

374 NelsFree  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:31:51pm

re: #40 Nevergiveup

Not to worry. If we ever really went When we go to full War with the Chinese, a carrier group or 2 would be the least of yourtheir worries.


A ballistic missle launch from China would result in a ballistic launch from one of our undetectable SSBNs. Simple...if the O appoints Sarah VP, then resigns.

375 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:32:25pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Or, put the gun to your own head, and bark "nobody move, or the pig gets it!"

/watched Blazing Saddles too many times

LOL.......

376 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:32:32pm

re: #369 Kosh's Shadow

Well, Baldrick always has a cunning plan.

And think of it, Barry's opposition would accidentally brutally stab themselves in the back while shaving.

377 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:32:46pm

re: #364 Fenway_Nation

Hate to say it, but I think CNN is the norm for most airports.


Didn't they have a special airport channel at one time? Maybe they still do. I flew out of Atlanta last summer but I can't remember what was on the screens.

378 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:32:51pm
379 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:33:08pm

re: #366 summergurl

Not when you are surrounded. We have a Glock pistol and it would take too much time to reload. You'd be smacked over the head by then.

The dog could buy you some time, tho'

380 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:33:41pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Or, put the gun to your own head, and bark "nobody move, or the pig gets it!"

/watched Blazing Saddles too many times

ROFL!

381 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #346 FurryOldGuyJeans


REALLY? I read it this morning!

382 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:34:11pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

This Kipling story--His Chance in Life--is doubtless considered racist by today's standards, but is very interesting.

It deals with a clerk who gets promotion by facing down a riotous mob.

And how about, to bring things literary once more, in Absalom! Absalom! where Sutpen goes out, this is during a rebellion in Haiti, and, as he puts it "subdued" the mob empty-handed, nearly getting killed for his trouble, but succeeding nonetheless because of the sheer force of his will.

383 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:34:11pm

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

Tests damage people's self-esteem, whether they are classroom tests or test-osterone. To ensure that people are no longer testy, all forms of test, including those with -osterone, must be abolished.

/charlyesarte off

Can you buy osterone in teh store? In the health food aisle, maybe?

384 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:34:49pm

re: #338 summergurl

That wouldn't work and neither would "But honey, two wives make so much more sense"... lol

How about, "THe poor thing is such an eyesore & needs friends."

385 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:34:49pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Or, put the gun to your own head, and bark "nobody move, or the pig gets it!"

/watched Blazing Saddles too many times

Or better yet, point the gun at the dog and get 'rescued' by a howling mob of PETA activists............

386 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:34:50pm

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the press needed a briefing on Oregon more than they needed a briefing on what was in the packet.

Anybody qualified to cover a US summit should know all of that already, but you could probably get by without the ability to know the difference between St. Helens, Oregon and Mt. St. Helens (which is not in Oregon).

387 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:01pm

re: #348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barry and Baldrick would probably get along great.

Baldrick's too smart and too clever for Barry.

388 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #193 Creeping Eruption

Those nurses sure rise to the occasion . .or rather their patients do.

Been there, done that. As a patient . . .

Whoops, TMI.

389 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:32pm
390 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:46pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Or, put the gun to your own head, and bark "nobody move, or the pig gets it!"

/watched Blazing Saddles too many times

"Isn't someone going to help that poor man?"

391 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:55pm

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

Tests damage people's self-esteem, whether they are classroom tests or test-osterone. To ensure that people are no longer testy, all forms of test, including those with -osterone, must be abolished.

/charlyesarte off

Are eskimo balls test-icles........?

392 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:35:59pm

re: #383 father_of_10

Can you buy osterone in teh store? In the health food aisle, maybe?

In our metrosexual society you have to go to the other side of the tracks and find a osterone-easy. Pass word is Alpha-Male.

393 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:09pm

Afternoon all, has the sky fallen yet?

394 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:09pm

re: #388 father_of_10

Been there, done that. As a patient . . .

Whoops, TMI.

That explains your nic.

395 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:19pm

re: #389 Iron Fist

Yep, and the dog isn't going to be much help either, at that stage. For obvious reasons, police dogs aren't trained to kill. It'd bite a few people and bark a lot, but that would be that.

A dog is, however, a powerful deterrent weapon. People instinctively fear the dog; this is the secret of the effectiveness of the canine.

396 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:19pm

re: #346 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't know where you saw that comment because there are ZERO comments on the story at the Modesto Bee website.


91 comments -

Modesto Bee

397 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #382 Guanxi88

And how about, to bring things literary once more, in Absalom! Absalom! where Sutpen goes out, this is during a rebellion in Haiti, and, as he puts it "subdued" the mob empty-handed, nearly getting killed for his trouble, but succeeding nonetheless because of the sheer force of his will.

And to get even more all literary n' stuff, I think there's a similar passage in Orwell's Burmese Days.

398 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:36:52pm

re: #141 jcm

I have built a few small tensigrities.

They are very cool.

399 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:37:08pm

re: #389 Iron Fist

Yep, and the dog isn't going to be much help either, at that stage. For obvious reasons, police dogs aren't trained to kill. It'd bite a few people and bark a lot, but that would be that.

After that "memorial" for the Oakland cop killer I have a bad feeling this will get more common.

400 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:37:19pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Isn't someone going to help that poor man?"

"Quiet, he's liable to do anything...."

heh, one of the funniest movies out there.

401 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:37:29pm
402 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:38:15pm

re: #393 BlueCanuck


It is cold and rainy here in Chicago, close enough?

403 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:38:25pm

Miss Universe says had "lot of fun" in Guantanamo

"It was a loooot of fun!," Mendoza wrote, describing how she and Stewart met U.S. military personnel and took rides around the camp, which is encircled by a barbed-wire fenced, minefields and watchtowers. She said they also visited a bar on the base and the "unbelievable" beach there.

"We visited the Detainees camps and we saw the jails, where they shower, how the(y) recreate themselves with movies, classes of art, books. It was very interesting," she wrote.

"I didn't want to leave, it was such a relaxing place, so calm and beautiful," she added.

Ahhhhhhh, but she didn't get to see the sulfur pits and torture chambers.
//

404 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:38:37pm

re: #395 Guanxi88

A dog is, however, a powerful deterrent weapon. People instinctively fear the dog; this is the secret of the effectiveness of the canine.

I remember reading somewhere that cops find this is highly culturally specific. Blacks or whites tend to fear the dogs; Latino males will often challenge them.

405 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:38:44pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Isn't someone going to help that poor man?"

Baby, you are so talented.... and they are SOOO dumb !

406 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:39:03pm

re: #384 opnion

How about, "THe poor thing is such an eyesore & needs friends."

Tend to think that wouldn't work either ---

Neither would "but then you could have a night off".

407 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #401 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't read that book, but the scene as you describe it is similar to the scene in Huckleberry Finn where one of the characters faces down a lynch mob.

IN this one, Sutpen and the family with whom he is working as a sort of overseer are facing a full-on slave uprising. They're out of ammunition, and completely surrounded. He walks out, and without giving any real explanation of how he does it, he subdues them.

Faulkner has Quentin hypothesize that the sight of him enduring more pain and damage than any human being could was enough to sicken and terrify the mob.

408 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:39:41pm

re: #400 BlueCanuck

"Quiet, he's liable to do anything...."

heh, one of the funniest movies out there.

"DO WHAT HE SAY! DO WHAT HE SAY!"

Back from when comedies were funny

409 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:39:55pm
410 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:40:18pm

re: #401 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't read that book, but the scene as you describe it is similar to the scene in Huckleberry Finn where one of the characters faces down a lynch mob.

Clearly, you're just trying to divert the thread away from guns, aren't you, nerdboy?

/

411 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:40:33pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

I'll have to look at that again. Of course, in Shooting an Elephant, Orwell describes being borne along on the will of the mob to shoot the elephant against his own wishes. And there is the terrifying description of mob violence from inside the mob towards the end of The Handmaid's Tale.

Day of the Locust has a similar scene of mob-insanity, and set in California

412 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:40:40pm

re: #399 jcm

After that "memorial" for the Oakland cop killer I have a bad feeling this will get more common.

What memorial? I knew Tupac Shakur's aunt-in-exile had glowing praise of him while writing from her exile in Cuba....

413 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:40:44pm

re: #403 jorline

Miss Universe says had "lot of fun" in Guantanamo

Ahhhhhhh, but she didn't get to see the sulfur pits and torture chambers.
//

What the hell was she doing going there anyway?
Send her to Alexandria, Virginia and let's get her take on that as an alternative.

sheesh

414 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:41:25pm

Wow, Dick Morris says to Neil Cavuto that unlike previous presidents, Obama sees America as a country somewhere between Albanian and Zanzibar in the United Nations scheme of things. NOT the shining city on the hill, the Exceptional Country that we ARE.

Next week, discussions on taxes for all to address our fat carbon footprint and excessive breathing & exhaling.

415 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:41:34pm

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

That Forty Years of Removing Geography and History from the schools is working out real well, I see.

They should only remind The One that Israel is slightly smaller than New Jersey.

416 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:41:48pm

re: #358 LGoPs

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Easy for me to say, of course.
/

Or, if you have, say, a single-stack 1911, tell the three or four loudest ones in front, "Yes, the rest of them can 'take' me, but 'they' can't do it before I put a bullet in each one of you."

/Let's just say, I have... personal experience, in this respect

cheers

eon

417 Opinionated  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:41:54pm

U.S. to Join U.N. Human Rights Council, Reversing Bush Policy

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

U.S. to Join U.N. Human Rights Hate Israel All the Time Council, Reversing Bush Policy

418 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:42:15pm

re: #398 Ojoe

I have built a few small tensigrities.

They are very cool.

I took an architecture class for fun. I built a small tensigrity stair case. Clear Lucite stairs, the compression part was vertical at each end of the treads, the tension cables holding them up. It looked cool, a floating stair case. Since it was small 5 steps about 6" tall. The only thing with it was any real stair case would likely be bouncy and make people nervous. Got a A on the project.

419 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:42:16pm

re: #356 Occasional Reader

I agree, I would not want to take on even an unarmed angry crowd that size with just a handgun, no matter how many rounds I was carrying. I was just disputing Dianna's post that doubted he was carrying 20-30 rounds. And I was doing that mostly to get under Dianna's skin, of course!

You are so lucky that I like you.

420 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:42:23pm

re: #398 Ojoe

I have built a few small tensigrities.

They are very cool.

You have small tensigrities?

421 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:43:04pm

re: #404 Occasional Reader

I remember reading somewhere that cops find this is highly culturally specific. Blacks or whites tend to fear the dogs; Latino males will often challenge them.

Chopper! Sic balls!

422 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:43:25pm
423 RoughRider  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:43:41pm

re: #1 Killian Bundy

I wonder if they remembered to bring the necessary power converters for the TelePrompTers?

Gordon Brown might have a US-to-Australia power adapter he could give The One as a gift.

424 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #413 J.D.

Send her to Alexandria, Virginia

No, just slightly north; Washington, DC. Specifically, my place. I already done told you!

425 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:43:48pm

re: #413 J.D.

What the hell was she doing going there anyway?
Send her to Alexandria, Virginia and let's get her take on that as an alternative.

sheesh

* * * *
Hey, we don't need no stinkin' jihadists or beauty queens here in beautiful downtown Alexandria Virginia.

Soon I'll be able to see Talibans from my house! Thanks, democrats.

426 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:44:14pm

re: #424 Occasional Reader

No, just slightly north; Washington, DC. Specifically, my place. I already done told you!

But have you settled on a story?

427 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #404 Occasional Reader

While Koreans eat them.

428 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:44:56pm

re: #422 Iron Fist

.

Yeah, if I were a cop in the area that would be on my mind. A lot. There's not much incentative to put yourself at risk for people who'd just as soon douse you with gasoline and set you on fire.

That city deserves a blue flu if any city ever did......

429 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #425 alegrias

* * * *
Hey, we don't need no stinkin' jihadists or beauty queens here in beautiful downtown Alexandria Virginia.

Soon I'll be able to see Talibans from my house! Thanks, democrats.

I'm so sorry.
I would fight it tooth and nail if it was happening in my neighborhood.
Get Andrew McCarthy to help.

430 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #426 J.D.

But have you settled on a story?

Our new maid. Which will explain the outfit, too.

431 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:45:39pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

This Kipling story--His Chance in Life--is doubtless considered racist by today's standards, but is very interesting.

It deals with a clerk who gets promotion by facing down a riotous mob.

It's surprising how easy it can be at times to halt or at least intimidate a disorganized crowd. I'm an SCA heavy fighter and there have been times when I have stopped up to about ten other fighters by brandishing my Great Axe as though I knew what I was doing. Nobody wants to be the first one hit. If they are organized and have a commander however, about the best I can expect is a momentary pause in their advance.

432 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:45:44pm
433 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:45:53pm
434 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:03pm

re: #412 Fenway_Nation

What memorial? I knew Tupac Shakur's aunt-in-exile had glowing praise of him while writing from her exile in Cuba....



Vigil held for suspected Oakland cop killer

Loved ones and supporters walked through the streets chanting, "OPD you can't hide, we charge you with genocide!"
435 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:25pm

re: #430 Occasional Reader

Our new maid. Which will explain the outfit, too.



Brilliant!

That ought to do it. Yessirree. No doubt about it.

436 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:35pm
437 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:45pm

re: #421 debutaunt

Chopper! Sic balls!

Hmmm, wasn't that a scene from "K9" with Jim Belushi?

438 NelsFree  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:58pm

re: #393 BlueCanuck

Afternoon all, has the sky fallen yet?

The Stock Market closed up. GM CEO prefers bankruptcy. Connection? Discuss.

439 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:46:59pm

re: #414 alegrias

Next week, discussions on taxes for all to address our fat carbon footprint and excessive breathing & exhaling.

Inhaling actually reduces one's carbon footprint.

440 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:47:43pm

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

"Getting Through Tough Economic Times" will launch Tuesday with a media push across all platforms.

The site is meant to help people identify health concerns related to financial worries.

The feds will warn of depression, suicidal thinking and other serious mental illnesses. It will raise warning flags for: Persistent sadness/crying; Excessive anxiety; Lack of sleep/constant fatigue; Excessive irritability/anger.

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

441 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:47:52pm

re: #437 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, wasn't that a scene from "K9" with Jim Belushi?

No, it was from Stand by Me.

442 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:02pm

re: #439 Spare O'Lake

Inhaling actually reduces one's carbon footprint.

Just...... don't....... ex..... hale.............

443 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:13pm

re: #442 jcm

Just...... don't....... ex..... hale.............

*THUD*

444 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:13pm
445 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:20pm

Gitmo detainees tortured by Venezuelan Beauty Queen

These Venezuelans are an interesting lot.

Anyone seen OR?

/

446 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:27pm

re: #439 Spare O'Lake

Inhaling actually reduces one's carbon footprint.

Now, don't go getting all technical and scientific, you're harshing the enviro-mystics' mellow when you do that.

///

cheers

eon

447 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:35pm

re: #391 LGoPs

Are eskimo balls test-icles........?

Hey. Nobody biting? Ok then......I'll answer the question.
The answer is.......'Yes'

"I nuit"
/ :)

448 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #445 OldLineTexan

Gitmo detainees tortured by Venezuelan Beauty Queen

These Venezuelans are an interesting lot.

Anyone seen OR?

/

Now why on earth would you ask that?

449 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #429 J.D.

I'm so sorry.
I would fight it tooth and nail if it was happening in my neighborhood.
Get Andrew McCarthy to help.

* * *
I relish the thought of the electoral consequence against democrats here in northern virginia, of having even more terrorist enemy combatants in my hood.

We had your Zacharias Moussaoui, then you Sami Al-Arian, and of course the local mosque denizens welcome the high-falutin company.

At some point, even my liberal friends will get sick of this pandering to terrorists, right?

450 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:01pm

re: #441 debutaunt

Okay, haven't seen that one. But there is a similar scene in K9.

451 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #434 jcm

Fortunately, it was only "dozens" of people. The cops should have rounded them all up and checked them for outstanding warrants. Bastards.

452 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:33pm

re: #449 alegrias

* * *

At some point, even my liberal friends will get sick of this pandering to terrorists, right?

Racist!

453 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #449 alegrias

At some point, even my liberal friends will get sick of this pandering to terrorists, right?


I wouldn't count on that or anything...

454 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #438 NelsFree

The Stock Market closed up. GM CEO prefers bankruptcy. Connection? Discuss.

Last day of the 1st quarter.

455 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:55pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

I'll have to look at that again. Of course, in Shooting an Elephant, Orwell describes being borne along on the will of the mob to shoot the elephant against his own wishes. And there is the terrifying description of mob violence from inside the mob towards the end of The Handmaid's Tale.

Don't forget The Lottery.

456 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:49:58pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

The usage of emotion by emotional people.

457 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:50:02pm

re: #449 alegrias

* * *
I relish the thought of the electoral consequence against democrats here in northern virginia, of having even more terrorist enemy combatants in my hood.

We had your Zacharias Moussaoui, then you Sami Al-Arian, and of course the local mosque denizens welcome the high-falutin company.

At some point, even my liberal friends will get sick of this pandering to terrorists, right?

re: #452 Guanxi88

Racist!

And you wonder why they hate us!
///

458 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:50:34pm

re: #447 LGoPs

Hey. Nobody biting? Ok then......I'll answer the question.
The answer is.......'Yes'

"I nuit"
/ :)

I was thinking "I'll wait for Kim and then Alaska."

459 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:50:45pm

Via Gateway Pundit:

Obama arrives in UK ahead of G20

Our correspondent says President Obama will assert that the US has changed, that America is willing to listen and engage, but he will also insist that America still has the capacity to pull the world in the right direction.

Asshole.

Otherwise, watch how seamlessly the world will move from, "We don't hate America, just George Bush" to "We don't hate Obama, just America."

460 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:50:45pm

weak tea parties
satisfy none, no one
but old ladies

or something like that

461 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #448 J.D.

Now why on earth would you ask that?

Because I don't want him to get hurt swimming to Cuba and jumping the barbed-wire fence to get into Gitmo.

462 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:51:18pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

* * *
they're trying to rain on the Tea Party parade.
When your government is screwing you, call on the government! Brilliant.

463 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #461 OldLineTexan

Because I don't want him to get hurt swimming to Cuba and jumping the barbed-wire fence to get into Gitmo.

Good thinking.
He's already got it all covered.
He'll need some luck, though...

464 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:52:22pm

re: #463 J.D.

Good thinking.
He's already got it all covered.
He'll need some luck, though...

Perhaps a clever disguise?

465 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:52:41pm

re: #462 alegrias

* * *

When your government is screwing you, call on the government! Brilliant.

In Old America, you pay to screw a whore; in the Obamanation, you pay the whore to screw you. _ In Yakov Smirnoff voice.

466 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:52:46pm

re: #451 Ward Cleaver

Fortunately, it was only "dozens" of people. The cops should have rounded them all up and checked them for outstanding warrants. Bastards.

But hey, even though he murdered four cops and was wanted for the rape of a 12 year old . . .he was no monster according to his supporters. I think "bastards" was being a little kind on your part.

467 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:53:48pm

re: #444 Iron Fist

Between Albania and Zanzibar, that is what Obama intends to do for our standard of living, never mind our stature in the world.

* * * *
You're right! And darned Dick Morris--he said Zanzibar instead of Zimbabwe.
How can we forget THAT shining example of one man one vote one time, breadbasket to basket case in one election?

468 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:08pm
469 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:25pm

re: #464 OldLineTexan

Perhaps a clever disguise?

Like this?
Only $21.99!

470 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:30pm

re: #451 Ward Cleaver

Fortunately, it was only "dozens" of people. The cops should have rounded them all up and checked them for outstanding warrants. Bastards.

Rock and Hard Place for OPD. Round 'em up and they'd have a riot on their hands. I understand OPD standing down, but don't like it one bit.

471 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:42pm
472 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:44pm

re: #465 Guanxi88

In Old America, you pay to screw a whore; in the Obamanation, you pay the whore to screw you. _ In Yakov Smirnoff voice.

Either way the whores end up with your money.

473 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:54:47pm

re: #461 OldLineTexan

Because I don't want him to get hurt swimming to Cuba and jumping the barbed-wire fence to get into Gitmo.

Reminds me of a 'debate" I once had with a far lefty who was extolling the virtues of communism in general and Cuba in particular. The debate ended when I asked him how many American citizens have risked there life foating from Miami to Havana on the hood of a 1956 Chevy BelAir to get to the paradise that is Cuba as opposed to how many have tried/ made the trek Havan to Miami!

474 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:55:57pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

I've often regretted not getting into SCA when I was in college.

They wouldn't let me in; didn't wanna associate with so obvious a geek and outcast as me.

475 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #473 sattv4u2

Reminds me of a 'debate" I once had with a far lefty who was extolling the virtues of communism in general and Cuba in particular. The debate ended when I asked him how many American citizens have risked there life foating from Miami to Havana on the hood of a 1956 Chevy BelAir to get to the paradise that is Cuba as opposed to how many have tried/ made the trek Havan to Miami!

Ha!

476 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:56:25pm

re: #445 OldLineTexan

Gitmo detainees tortured by Venezuelan Beauty Queen

These Venezuelans are an interesting lot.

Anyone seen OR?

/

Because accusations of abuse and torture ARE A TACTIC.

477 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #469 J.D.

Like this?
Only $21.99!

Good night nurse! Put a warning on that!

/got any more?

lol

478 lobo91  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:57:24pm

re: #413 J.D.

What the hell was she doing going there anyway?
Send her to Alexandria, Virginia and let's get her take on that as an alternative.

sheesh

It was a USO tour for the troops, not a trip to visit the detainees.

479 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:57:35pm

re: #476 Ben Hur

Because accusations of abuse and torture ARE A TACTIC.

They ought to send one of the inmates home with her.

480 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:57:38pm

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

481 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:57:43pm
482 rw in san diego  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:09pm

re: #480 J.S.

I saw that. Absolutely unbelievable!

483 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:17pm

re: #480 J.S.

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

* * **
No Sharia, Sherlock!

484 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:24pm

re: #478 lobo91

It was a USO tour for the troops, not a trip to visit the detainees.

You're no fun. ;)

C'mon, she could have handed out head-panties.

485 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:25pm

re: #470 jcm

Rock and Hard Place for OPD. Round 'em up and they'd have a riot on their hands. I understand OPD standing down, but don't like it one bit.

I hear ya but in the mood I'm in I'd say bring it on and then crack some serious heads. And tell the people what seriously fucked up animals these are.
At some point this bullshit needs to be stood up to.

486 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:38pm

re: #10 jjmckay1216

Better later than never... WAY TO GO! BEST OF LUCK TO YA!

487 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:58:58pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

Gubmint: OK, we got in bed with the MSM, pulled the wool over your eyes, got a socialist elected POTUS, destroyed the economy, socialized the free market system, taxed the shit out of you, reduced your security against foreign enemies, allowed illegal aliens to bankrupt your states, and a few dozen more acts of idiocy.......
it's ok......have a cookie...........that'll be a trillion $

488 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #480 J.S.

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

Scientology?

489 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:25pm

Time to say good night. Everybody have fun tonight, everybody Wang Chung tonight.

490 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:25pm

re: #478 lobo91

It was a USO tour for the troops, not a trip to visit the detainees.

Well, turns out she's a walking advertisement for how nice the place is.
Odd.

491 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:30pm

re: #476 Ben Hur

Because accusations of abuse and torture ARE A TACTIC.

Did you read the link?

492 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #258 Charles

This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of control, and nobody takes responsibility for keeping out the crazies. Ron Paul and neo-Nazis.

Pitiful. And that's why I just can't promote these tea party protests. I saw this coming from a mile away.

Unless the organizers of these things start making it clear that the kooks and racists aren't welcome, this is going to turn into another massive SNAFU for the GOP. (Actually, it already is.)

Again- there is no organized Tea Party headquarters, no national office, no board of directors or a chairman. It is chaos and thus wide open to hijacking.

493 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

I've often regretted not getting into SCA when I was in college.

It's great fun. Met Mrs. Hawk through friends there. Haven't been too active lately, but will probably get back to it eventually.

494 brookly red  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #480 J.S.

Thank you for that one...

495 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:00:46pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

I feel so loved by the Lightworker!

496 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:00:47pm

re: #493 CyanSnowHawk

It's great fun. Met Mrs. Hawk through friends there. Haven't been too active lately, but will probably get back to it eventually.

Yeah, I figure by about year three of the Obama Era, much of the nation could well look like an SCA gathering, only this time, they're not practicing.

497 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:00:50pm

re: #480 J.S.

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

This fuckhead must have drank the same koolaid as the Archbishop of Canterbury.

498 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:01:01pm

re: #491 OldLineTexan

Did you read the link?


Yes.

That where I got the "accusations of torture and abuse" line.

499 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:01:03pm

re: #480 J.S.

A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

Alien ideas?

IDIC
Ferengi Rules of Acquisition
"The only good human is a dead human"
You keep what you kill

/smartass

500 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #473 sattv4u2

Reminds me of a 'debate" I once had with a far lefty who was extolling the virtues of communism in general and Cuba in particular. The debate ended when I asked him how many American citizens have risked there life foating from Miami to Havana on the hood of a 1956 Chevy BelAir to get to the paradise that is Cuba as opposed to how many have tried/ made the trek Havan to Miami!

For an encore, if The One follows through after closing Gitmo down, and fulfills the long-cherished progressive dream of "disestablishing this affront to Cuban sovereignty" (i.e., closing the base and turning it over to the Castro brothers Raul the way we turned Clark and Subic Bay over to the Philippines), anyone want to bet how fast Raul re-opens it as a prison for his own use?

Of course, from what I've heard, compared to Cuban prisons, Gitmo is less like a "country club" slammer for VIPs doing "soft time" up here, and more like Club Med.

cheers

eon

501 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #482 rw in san diego

There's another article at Newsmax (by David Limbaugh)...here...

502 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:01:44pm

re: #480 J.S.

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...


Koh, a dupe
A One World dupe

503 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:02:01pm
504 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:02:02pm

re: #485 LGoPs

I hear ya but in the mood I'm in I'd say bring it on and then crack some serious heads. And tell the people what seriously fucked up animals these are.
At some point this bullshit needs to be stood up to.

Like so much else. If you tolerate this shit, it gets worse until stopping it is much, much harder.

Seattle PD tried non-confrontation tactics and we had WTO in '99 and a guy get murdered while cops watched from a difference during Mardi Gras a couple years later.

BTW the chief that ordered the cops to stay out of Mardi Gras is now Obama's Drug Tsar.

505 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:02:23pm

re: #358 LGoPs

Pick out the loudest one in the crowd or whoever seems to be the leader, point your gun squarely between his eyes and say "You're going first".....

Easy for me to say, of course.
/

One of my favorite cheesy movies is The Sword and the Sorcerer, there is a scene where the hero (Lee Horsley) is being chased by an ARMY of bad guys. Finally he gets surrounded, he brandishes his sword and demands, "who dies first?"

506 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:02:46pm

re: #495 Kenneth

I feel so loved by the Lightworker!

Are there any tips on the website on how to deal with the pounding sensation to the ass caused by the Obamatons?

507 Ben Hur  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:02:49pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Which is scarier--that he is becoming a legal advisor for the State Department or that, as Dean of the Yale Law School, he has probably been instrumental in inculcating his views in many people now holding, and soon to hold, influential positions in the American legal establishment?

Bush studied at Yale.

So it's shtupid now.

508 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

Wanna bet this gets used as a wedge for nationalizing health care?

509 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:03:32pm

re: #456 Mr. In get Mr. Out

The usage of emotion by emotional people.

The "Rescue Kit Team".

Read the very top of the page and look who they're registered with...lmao!

510 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:03:54pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

Again- there is no organized Tea Party headquarters, no national office, no board of directors or a chairman. It is chaos and thus wide open to hijacking.

There's a broad swath of the Conservative movement that simply doesn't believe we have kooks. Or by the "No True Scotsman" theory they don't believe the kooks truly belong to our side.

511 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #497 Spare O'Lake

He's Korean-American...wiki article on Koh here...

512 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:04:26pm

Emotional Rescue............

/on a white charger.............

513 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:04:38pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

Again- there is no organized Tea Party headquarters, no national office, no board of directors or a chairman. It is chaos and thus wide open to hijacking.

Again, thats because unlike the left the right hasn't made an entire industry and profession out of being a protester.

There are no ACORNS, GreenPeace's, Al Sharptons, RAINBOW/PUSH Coalitions on the right

514 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:04:57pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

Again- there is no organized Tea Party headquarters, no national office, no board of directors or a chairman. It is chaos and thus wide open to hijacking.

I always thought that was part of the intent of some of these events, using them as cover, in some instances, for less savory activities.

515 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:04pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

The Power of Stupidity™ will be giving us some very dim bulbs in our homes, real soon.


Well they are already holding Cabinet positions

516 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:06pm

re: #510 Bloodnok

There's a broad swath of the Conservative movement that simply doesn't believe we have kooks. Or by the "No True Scotsman" theory they don't believe the kooks truly belong to our side.

There's a broad swath of the media that will pin the kooks to conservatism regardless.

517 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:22pm

re: #506 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are there any tips on the website on how to deal with the pounding sensation to the ass caused by the Obamatons?

Your own personal lubricant, a sitz bath for afterwards, and a large bottle of Ibuprofen.

/and don't expect to be kissed first either

518 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:30pm

re: #509 jorline

The "Rescue Kit Team".

Read the very top of the page and look who they're registered with...lmao!

"I honestly believe you offer the ONLY credible psychics. Your network is to be commended."
Linda, OH

People pay for this.
Amazing.

519 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:39pm

re: #510 Bloodnok

There's a broad swath of the Conservative movement that simply doesn't believe we have kooks. Or by the "No True Scotsman" theory they don't believe the kooks truly belong to our side.

There is also that, yes. Perhaps nazis showing up at these rallies will open their eyes.

In the meantime, the larger issue of the right not having a clue how to organize a grassroots movement remains.

520 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:05:51pm

re: #506 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More KY.

521 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:01pm

re: #496 Guanxi88

Yeah, I figure by about year three of the Obama Era, much of the nation could well look like an SCA gathering, only this time, they're not practicing.

I'm ready. Got a couple Viking age swords and my Kirby Axe, not to mention a pretty good collection of period tools and equipment.

522 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:02pm

re: #513 sattv4u2

That's not an excuse. We have to learn how to organize and now.

523 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:07pm

re: #516 OldLineTexan

There's a broad swath of the media that will pin the kooks to conservatism regardless.

That may be true, but it's certainly not a reason to allow them to participate.

524 summergurl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:09pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

Again- there is no organized Tea Party headquarters, no national office, no board of directors or a chairman. It is chaos and thus wide open to hijacking.


One could even say it invites hijacking

525 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:26pm

re: #513 sattv4u2

Again, thats because unlike the left the right hasn't made an entire industry and profession out of being a protester.

There are no ACORNS, GreenPeace's, Al Sharptons, RAINBOW/PUSH Coalitions on the right

The right, by and large, just goes to work and pays their taxes that help fund and support these leftoid organizations.

526 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:27pm
527 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #504 jcm

Like so much else. If you tolerate this shit, it gets worse until stopping it is much, much harder.

Seattle PD tried non-confrontation tactics and we had WTO in '99 and a guy get murdered while cops watched from a difference during Mardi Gras a couple years later.

BTW the chief that ordered the cops to stay out of Mardi Gras is now Obama's Drug Tsar.

I remember the seattle incident. Disgraceful. When you let this go on you get more of it.
I think there should have been some serious ass kicking done back in the '60's, when the hippie protests were going on. This was a bunch of spoiled arrogant cowardly brats that needed some head thumping to make up for their parents not smacking the shit out of them.
Burn down an ROTC building - *Crack*
Take over a campus - *Crack*
Start a riot - *Crack*
Oh, you're Billy Ayers? - *Extra Hard Crack*
We might not be reaping the fruits that we are now if the older generation had just said "Enough of this shit".........

528 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:06:54pm

re: #524 summergurl

One could even say it invites hijacking

Indeed!

529 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:07:19pm

re: #517 BlueCanuck

Your own personal lubricant, a sitz bath for afterwards, and a large bottle of Ibuprofen.

/and don't expect to be kissed first either

...but if you're a good democrat, you might get a "reach around"

530 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:08:02pm

Time to go...see you later tonight.

531 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:08:05pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Both, I guess...(each is perilous -- Daniel Pipes is saying this appointment has to be opposed)...on another topic, CNN has just announced that the United States will be participating in the UN Human "Rights" Council (yet another overturning of the former, Bush, administration policy)...

532 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:08:08pm

re: #521 CyanSnowHawk

I'm ready. Got a couple Viking age swords and my Kirby Axe, not to mention a pretty good collection of period tools and equipment.

All you need is the axe; everything else follows from it. Perfect tool for most purposes, and a dandy little weapon, to boot. Good tools are good tools, and should always be gathered and used.

533 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:08:21pm

re: #522 Sharmuta

That's not an excuse. We have to learn how to organize and now.

I didn't offer it as an excuse.

534 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:09:26pm
535 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:09:36pm

re: #522 Sharmuta

That's not an excuse. We have to learn how to organize and now.

Isn't the heavy organizing stuff more of a commie thing...you know, individualism and all that?/

536 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:09:38pm

re: #510 Bloodnok

There's a broad swath of the Conservative movement that simply doesn't believe we have kooks. Or by the "No True Scotsman" theory they don't believe the kooks truly belong to our side.

Thing is, we need the kooks to check those boxes next to people with R's next to their name. The more disorganized the tea party is, the easier it is to disassociate from them.

537 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #533 sattv4u2

I didn't offer it as an excuse.

Ok- then what was the point? Not trying to be confrontational in asking that, but at what point do we stop saying things like that and get our butts in gear?

538 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:09:45pm

re: #523 Charles

That may be true, but it's certainly not a reason to allow them to participate.

That was not an implication of what I wrote.

It will be a constant battle, and NOT just against the real kooks, because in the MSM any conservative is already kooky.

539 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #438 NelsFree

The Stock Market closed up. GM CEO prefers bankruptcy. Connection? Discuss.

Obama out of country. Now if he could stay off TV for a month or so. But he has the health care system to fuck up.

540 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #522 Sharmuta

That's not an excuse. We have to learn how to organize and now.

I don't believe he offered it up as an excuse, only an analysis of the situation; something to help make organization possible. If you don't know what's broke you sure can't fix it.

541 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:11:07pm

re: #535 Spare O'Lake

Isn't the heavy organizing stuff more of a commie thing...you know, individualism and all that?/

No sarc tag needed- indeed, I think rugged individualists struggle with organizing themselves. But if we're going to counter the creeping socialism, we have to figure out how to organize ourselves against it so that we can be effective in our objectives.

542 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:11:41pm

re: #539 kansas

Obama out of country. Now if he could stay off TV for a month or so. But he has the health care system to fuck up.

Biden's staying stateside, isn't he? See, the job's in good hands.

543 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:12:06pm

re: #505 FurryOldGuyJeans

One of my favorite cheesy movies is The Sword and the Sorcerer, there is a scene where the hero (Lee Horsley) is being chased by an ARMY of bad guys. Finally he gets surrounded, he brandishes his sword and demands, "who dies first?"

That kind of gag actually worked back in cold steel days. The nasty thing about a sword is that grabbing it out of the wielder's hands is generally a no-go. Given a position where he can keep the opfor in front of him, the guy on defense actually has an advantage; if more than a couple of them come at him at once, they get in each others' way, and he can whack them before they can get in any licks.

Sword combat is messy and nasty, but very effective, if you know what you're doing.

That's why the European knight with the broadsword or longsword, or the Japanese samurai with the katana, were the top dogs in their respective societies- until they invented first the crossbow, the Welsh longbow, and then gunpowder.

/The best way to take down a swordsman is from a distance- as was graphically demonstrated by the English at Crecy' in 1346 and again at Agincourt in 1415

cheers

eon

544 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:13:35pm

re: #542 Guanxi88

Biden's staying stateside, isn't he? See, the job's in good hands.

I think Biden took the job just so he wouldn't have to go with him on trips like this. Do you have any idea what a clusterf*ck taking 500 people on a trip is?

545 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:13:38pm

re: #543 eon

That kind of gag actually worked back in cold steel days. The nasty thing about a sword is that grabbing it out of the wielder's hands is generally a no-go. Given a position where he can keep the opfor in front of him, the guy on defense actually has an advantage; if more than a couple of them come at him at once, they get in each others' way, and he can whack them before they can get in any licks.

Sword combat is messy and nasty, but very effective, if you know what you're doing.

That's why the European knight with the broadsword or longsword, or the Japanese samurai with the katana, were the top dogs in their respective societies- until they invented first the crossbow, the Welsh longbow, and then gunpowder.

/The best way to take down a swordsman is from a distance- as was graphically demonstrated by the English at Crecy' in 1346 and again at Agincourt in 1415

cheers

eon

True, but the Roman army had its own ways of dealing with missile attack; stay under armor and shields, in a good testudo formation, and close the distance double-quick. Light cavalry, too, can be used in these cases, to great effect.

546 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:13:56pm

re: #543 eon

well documented in the exciting Bernard Cornwell novels....good stuff

547 lobo91  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:14:24pm

re: #541 Sharmuta

No sarc tag needed- indeed, I think rugged individualists struggle with organizing themselves. But if we're going to counter the creeping socialism, we have to figure out how to organize ourselves against it so that we can be effective in our objectives.

If you look at any of the big left-wing gatherings (anti-globalization protests, anti-war protests, etc) you always see a whole slew of different single-issue groups represented.

That might be the way to approach it. Organize a coalition of conservative groups, rather than trying to individually gather people.

548 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:14:35pm

re: #543 eon

And let us never forget: "A bullet can go anywhere, but steel has to go somewhere."

- Lord Peter.

549 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:14:37pm

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

550 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:14:56pm

re: #537 Sharmuta

Ok- then what was the point? Not trying to be confrontational in asking that, but at what point do we stop saying things like that and get our butts in gear?

Furry, whether tongue in cheek or not, made a good point in his 525. The right for the most part doesn't think in those terms (of having to organize protests) We for the most part are trying just to live our lives. Go to work, have some quality family time, take care of our own, etc. As I stated the right hasn't made an indusrty out of being professional protesters!
Would you want that as a 'job", even if you thought your causes were just? Or would you opt to "protest" the old fashioned way. The ballot box, or with your pocketbook.

551 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:15:00pm

re: #543 eon

You could throw dead cows at them as well.

552 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #478 lobo91

It was a USO tour for the troops, not a trip to visit the detainees.

The wife and I spent two years on the Gitmo naval base way before 9-11. the prison camp is just a small part of the base.

553 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:15:29pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

After, cupcakes was smiling and needed a cigarette

554 lobo91  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:15:36pm

re: #543 eon

/The best way to take down a swordsman is from a distance- as was graphically demonstrated by the English at Crecy' in 1346 and again at Agincourt in 1415

Also demonstrated by Indiana Jones...

555 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:02pm

re: #551 axegrinder

You could throw dead cows at them as well.

the dead cowtapult...very effective device

556 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:12pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

69 of them? Why does that make me queasy?

557 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:16pm

re: #541 Sharmuta

No sarc tag needed- indeed, I think rugged individualists struggle with organizing themselves. But if we're going to counter the creeping socialism, we have to figure out how to organize ourselves against it so that we can be effective in our objectives.

Agreed. The Founding Fathers were individualists to a man- and they organized to defeat the biggest empire on Earth at the time. And incidentally create a new nation, dedicated to individualism (in the personal sense).

The two are not mutually exclusionary- "individualists" just save their "organizational" genius for when it's really needed.

cheers

eon

558 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:20pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

Barney is a cupcake!

560 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:47pm

re: #541 Sharmuta

No sarc tag needed- indeed, I think rugged individualists struggle with organizing themselves. But if we're going to counter the creeping socialism, we have to figure out how to organize ourselves against it so that we can be effective in our objectives.

Girl, all that "rugged" stuff and commie organizing talk is starting to make me hot.
*undoes top button of golf shirt*
/?

561 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:52pm

re: #547 lobo91

If you look at any of the big left-wing gatherings (anti-globalization protests, anti-war protests, etc) you always see a whole slew of different single-issue groups represented.

That might be the way to approach it. Organize a coalition of conservative groups, rather than trying to individually gather people.

And groups may be easier to vet than individuals. Keep out the kooks.

562 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #545 Guanxi88

True, but the Roman army had its own ways of dealing with missile attack; stay under armor and shields, in a good testudo formation, and close the distance double-quick. Light cavalry, too, can be used in these cases, to great effect.

Adding numbers changes the game somewhat.

563 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:00pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

I'm gonna' refrain from asking about icing.

564 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:08pm

I don't know if conservatives don't see organized political groups as a business or what the deal is, but some intrepid conservative should take charge, create a couple of jobs, and organize this movement. Form an actual organization with fundraising abilities, create a few jobs with an actual organized power structure, and then we'd have the ability to shape this grassroots tea party sentiment into a real counter punch to the left. The time has come- we have to take the best aspects of the enemies playbook and apply it to ourselves. We have to learn how to organize ourselves!

565 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:26pm

re: #544 CyanSnowHawk

I think Biden took the job just so he wouldn't have to go with him on trips like this. Do you have any idea what a clusterf*ck taking 500 people on a trip is?

Well, it would be if it was on your dime....Oh, it is.

566 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:46pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

I really don't wanna think about Barney Frank & the number 69 :-/

567 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:52pm

buckle up for some action....

Image: Agincourt-final_lg.jpg

568 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:17:55pm

re: #545 Guanxi88

True, but the Roman army had its own ways of dealing with missile attack; stay under armor and shields, in a good testudo formation, and close the distance double-quick. Light cavalry, too, can be used in these cases, to great effect.

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

569 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:18:20pm

re: #560 Spare O'Lake

LOL

570 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:18:21pm

re: #549 alegrias

OMG,

It's Barney Frank's 69th birthday today, and he's been in Congress since 1972!
So says Glenn Beck who just blew out cupcakes for Barney's birthday.

Oh no! I feel an innuendo overload coming on.
/

571 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:18:22pm

re: #563 MandyManners

I'm gonna' refrain from asking about icing.

eeeewwwwww

572 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #562 CyanSnowHawk

Adding numbers changes the game somewhat.

Eh, if you're gonna fight, do it right, and bring the boys along.

573 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #564 Sharmuta

I don't know if conservatives don't see organized political groups as a business or what the deal is, but some intrepid conservative should take charge, create a couple of jobs, and organize this movement. Form an actual organization with fundraising abilities, create a few jobs with an actual organized power structure, and then we'd have the ability to shape this grassroots tea party sentiment into a real counter punch to the left. The time has come- we have to take the best aspects of the enemies playbook and apply it to ourselves. We have to learn how to organize ourselves!


Is there a conservative version of George Soros out there? It would be great to have a 527C started to counter the MoveOn.org crowd. I'd give it big money........

574 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #550 sattv4u2

Furry, whether tongue in cheek or not, made a good point in his 525. The right for the most part doesn't think in those terms (of having to organize protests) We for the most part are trying just to live our lives. Go to work, have some quality family time, take care of our own, etc. As I stated the right hasn't made an indusrty out of being professional protesters!
Would you want that as a 'job", even if you thought your causes were just? Or would you opt to "protest" the old fashioned way. The ballot box, or with your pocketbook.

I can assure you my comment was NOT tongue in cheek one iota.

575 Canoe Train  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:19:49pm

re: #54 Killian Bundy

Hahaha! I can just imagine the scene now: The Queen says something nice, and then "Worf" goes full Klingon on her: "The Empire Bows to no one!"

Sorry. A little bit of Star Trek humor, there.

576 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #561 wrenchwench

And groups may be easier to vet than individuals. Keep out the kooks.

But I have a JOB. There must be a way to protest that doesn't require wasting a boatload of time and having to stand in a stinky crowd of sweating 'activists.' What a nightmare. Can't I just write a stern letter to my congressman?

577 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:20:29pm

re: #546 albusteve

well documented in the exciting Bernard Cornwell novels....good stuff

I've never read any of them. But I love both film versions of Henry V ( Part II), the 1945 Olivier and the 1989 Branagh. Both show the battle differently, but very effectively.

cheers

eon

578 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:20:39pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

I think the case could be made that the organization and discipline of the Romans was a technology in it own right. They might not have come up with even half of the stuff they used, but by Jove, they sure knew how to use it once they adopted it. A remarkable people, the ancient Romans.

579 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:20:48pm

re: #573 LGoPs

Is there a conservative version of George Soros out there? It would be great to have a 527C started to counter the MoveOn.org crowd. I'd give it big money........

Didn't that used to be Richard Mellon Scaife? I think the Democrat smear machine took care of him. In fact, I think the Democrat smear machine has pretty much taken care of everyone that opposes them.

580 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

fighting for a nice pension...after 20 yrs you got some land and a cottage

581 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #480 J.S.

Daniel Pipes has posted a note about yet another scary appointment by Obama -- the appointment would be the legal advisor for the State Department. A fellow named Koh...Koh, apparently, doesn't see a problem with the adoption of alien ideas/laws into the U.S. court system...New York Post article link here...

I've become very skeptical about articles like that, summing up all of Koh's views without a single quote or link to a source. He may be fully as bad as the article makes him appear, but I'm going to need to do my own research before I believe those kinds of overheated accusations.

Here's an article at the Yale Daily News:

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]

The accusation that he thinks sharia law should apply to US courts appears to be a complete fabrication.

[Link: in2thefray.wordpress.com...]

582 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:23pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.

"People without jobs, over the age of 50, can apply for their voluntary euthanasia kits at..."

583 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:24pm

re: #573 LGoPs

Is there a conservative version of George Soros out there? It would be great to have a 527C started to counter the MoveOn.org crowd. I'd give it big money........

I wouldn't call the fellows I have in mind "Soros" but they do know how to organize. Perhaps I need to go twist a few arms.

584 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:32pm

re: #527 LGoPs

I remember the seattle incident. Disgraceful. When you let this go on you get more of it.
I think there should have been some serious ass kicking done back in the '60's, when the hippie protests were going on. This was a bunch of spoiled arrogant cowardly brats that needed some head thumping to make up for their parents not smacking the shit out of them.
Burn down an ROTC building - *Crack*
Take over a campus - *Crack*
Start a riot - *Crack*
Oh, you're Billy Ayers? - *Extra Hard Crack*
We might not be reaping the fruits that we are now if the older generation had just said "Enough of this shit".........

You had two things going on in the 60's.
There where the Civil Rights Marches, which were mostly peaceful and the Police heavy handed approach to that.
Then you had the campus punks and hippies not being so peaceful and getting away with it because of the focus on police tactics.

Like with the Tea Parties, getting a bunch of nazis joining end. A good idea being used by folks with no good intentions at all.

585 rw in san diego  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #559 rw in san diego

PIMF Perhaps I should have said 'having an influence in toning down the anti-Semitism'

586 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #564 Sharmuta

I don't know if conservatives don't see organized political groups as a business or what the deal is, but some intrepid conservative should take charge, create a couple of jobs, and organize this movement. Form an actual organization with fundraising abilities, create a few jobs with an actual organized power structure, and then we'd have the ability to shape this grassroots tea party sentiment into a real counter punch to the left. The time has come- we have to take the best aspects of the enemies playbook and apply it to ourselves. We have to learn how to organize ourselves!

You know, you just described the NRA.

cheers

eon

587 Wilderstad  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:22:08pm

re: #440 jorline

GOVERNMENT WEBSITE TO WARN OF SADNESS/CRYING OVER ECONOMY

The U.S. government is set to offer an online emotional rescue kit!

The guide will be available starting at midnight.

We're soooooooo fucked.


Well, isn't that just ducky.
Lots of printed advice, no practical or concrete help for those hanging by a thread.
Typical of a presidency that is all about the" brilliant" public speaker and not about the practicality challenged Zero.

588 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:22:13pm

re: #579 kansas

Didn't that used to be Richard Mellon Scaife? I think the Democrat smear machine took care of him. In fact, I think the Democrat smear machine has pretty much taken care of everyone that opposes them.

I agree but then we smear right back at 'em. Or make the point that if Soros is off limits - as he apparently is - then our guy is too.

589 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:22:14pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

It depends. The Romans had ballistas and onsagers (catapults); their swords were reasonably good. There was a show on last night that compared what the barbarians had and the Gauls, and neither had catapults or good swords. Their shields were good, though.
But the training and discipline was very important. Hard to break through into a phalanx.
(Of course, this was on the History channel and there was an ad for their "Alien Abductions" show, so take it with as much salt as necessary.)

590 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #586 eon

You know, you just described the NRA.

cheers

eon

If gun lovers can do it, so can the rest of us. :)

591 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:22:37pm

re: #574 FurryOldGuyJeans

I can assure you my comment was NOT tongue in cheek one iota.

I didn;'t think so, but just wanted to put in that caveat just in case

592 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #588 LGoPs

I agree but then we smear right back at 'em. Or make the point that if Soros is off limits - as he apparently is - then our guy is too.

I've learned that Democrat tactics are not allowed to be used by anyone but Democrats.

593 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:23:39pm

re: #582 Alouette

"People without jobs, over the age of 50, can apply for their voluntary euthanasia kits at..."

... the Soylent Green factory in your area.

594 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:23:39pm

re: #583 Sharmuta

Remember, it's all about applying the proper leverage. ;)

595 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:23:53pm

re: #535 Spare O'Lake

Isn't the heavy organizing stuff more of a commie thing...you know, individualism and all that?/

Yep. Core values.

Left -- collective.
Right -- individual.

The right side, conservatism core value is the individualism. It offends at fundamental level to organize like this.

596 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:23:58pm

re: #594 BlueCanuck

Hey, Hon- how did your meeting go?

597 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:24:07pm

re: #576 axegrinder

But I have a JOB. There must be a way to protest that doesn't require wasting a boatload of time and having to stand in a stinky crowd of sweating 'activists.' What a nightmare. Can't I just write a stern letter to my congressman?

Absolutely. And vote. Maybe a phonebank on the weekend. Lawn signs. Host a candidate's coffee. Run for office. Of course you don't have to go to a "protest" to be effective.

598 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #582 Alouette

"People without jobs, over the age of 50, can apply for their voluntary euthanasia kits at..."

* * * *
Exactly my thought. "And be sure to die intestate, and leave all your $$$ to Uncle Sam"

599 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:24:33pm

re: #573 LGoPs

Is there a conservative version of George Soros out there? It would be great to have a 527C started to counter the MoveOn.org crowd. I'd give it big money........

Conservatism and George Soros are such polar opposites that the two concepts are damned near mutually exclusive; not just different worlds, different planes of reality.

600 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:24:34pm

re: #589 Kosh's Shadow

It depends. The Romans had ballistas and onsagers (catapults); their swords were reasonably good. There was a show on last night that compared what the barbarians had and the Gauls, and neither had catapults or good swords. Their shields were good, though.
But the training and discipline was very important. Hard to break through into a phalanx.
(Of course, this was on the History channel and there was an ad for their "Alien Abductions" show, so take it with as much salt as necessary.)

the shield wall...effective if you are willing to stay your ground and depend on your mates....in the open the Romans were no better than the barbarians, often worse

601 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #592 kansas

I've learned that Democrat tactics are not allowed to be used by anyone but Democrats.

You're right but that needs to change. I'm not sure quite how, but accepting the status qou is not acceptable.

602 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:07pm

re: #595 jcm

Yep. Core values.

Left -- collective.
Right -- individual.

The right side, conservatism core value is the individualism. It offends at fundamental level to organize like this.

Which could explain why some of us had a negative reaction to paying for permits and insurance in order to have a gathering.

603 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:30pm

re: #586 eon

You know, you just described the NRA.

cheers

eon

Correct, but they are a one issue concern, and unlike the MoveOns or the ACORNS of the world, the NRA has many lefties on board (Paul Begala comes to mind)

604 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:35pm

re: #581 Charles

I've become very skeptical about articles like that, summing up all of Koh's views without a single quote or link to a source. He may be fully as bad as the article makes him appear, but I'm going to need to do my own research before I believe those kinds of overheated accusations.

Here's an article at the Yale Daily News:

[Link: www.yaledailynews.com...]

The accusation that he thinks sharia law should apply to US courts appears to be a complete fabrication.

[Link: in2thefray.wordpress.com...]


Nothing wrong with adopting foreign laws for our own anyway. As long as they're good laws. I believe T. Jefferson got some good ideas from some dude named Locke.

605 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:37pm

re: #582 Alouette

"People without jobs, over the age of 50, can apply for their voluntary euthanasia kits at..."

One of Obama's new voluntary organizations....

///////////////////////

606 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #591 sattv4u2

I didn;'t think so, but just wanted to put in that caveat just in case

Which is why I made sure it was addressed. Too much misunderstanding could have erupted otherwise. :)

607 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:55pm

re: #601 LGoPs

You're right but that needs to change. I'm not sure quite how, but accepting the status qou is not acceptable.

Might want to pose that question to others around here.

608 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:26:01pm

re: #589 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't matter if you saw that on the History Channel. I have read quite a few books with Roman army tactics described in them. That about sums it up. Meeting a mob as an organized force, with organized tactics will do wonders as a force multiplier.

609 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:26:16pm

qou = quo......

610 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:26:18pm

re: #597 wrenchwench

Absolutely. And vote. Maybe a phonebank on the weekend. Lawn signs. Host a candidate's coffee. Run for office. Of course you don't have to go to a "protest" to be effective.

* * * *
New Yorkers of the 20th Congressional District can STILL VOTE TODAY!

Toss out ACORN's candidate to replace Hillary Clinton's replacement, TODAY!

611 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #597 wrenchwench

Absolutely. And vote. Maybe a phonebank on the weekend. Lawn signs. Host a candidate's coffee. Run for office. Of course you don't have to go to a "protest" to be effective.

We don't have to completely mirror the left, but we can take a few of the tactics and work them to fit our needs. An organization to represent our interests need not have us out on the streets in the middle of the week to get our point across.

612 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #606 FurryOldGuyJeans

Which is why I made sure it was addressed. Too much misunderstanding could have erupted otherwise. :)

thanks ,, and thanks for backing my point

613 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #531 J.S.

Both, I guess...(each is perilous -- Daniel Pipes is saying this appointment has to be opposed)...on another topic, CNN has just announced that the United States will be participating in the UN Human "Rights" Council (yet another overturning of the former, Bush, administration policy)...

FUCK IT!
That and the current global financial mess.
I am truly depressed now.

614 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:27:24pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

Stirrups were a pretty nifty invention of theirs, as well.

615 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:27:24pm

re: #610 alegrias

* * * *
New Yorkers of the 20th Congressional District can STILL VOTE TODAY!

And you can bet some of them will be voting again. Although I wonder who they will vote for.?/

616 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:27:33pm

These allergies are kicking my ASS and I can't get up and walk out of class to do anything about it :-/ This sucks.

617 lobo91  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:27:40pm

re: #586 eon

You know, you just described the NRA.

You mean like this?:

With anti-gun forces aligned against us both in the White House and in the United States Congress, America’s gun owners can expect a barrage of anti-gun measures like we have not seen in decades. In order to meet these challenges head on, we must once again redouble our efforts to beat back attempts by the anti-gunners to further erode the Second Amendment.

Your attendance at this year's NRA-ILA Grassroots Workshop in Phoenix is a critical step toward ensuring the future of our gun rights. This Workshop has been a staple of NRA’s Annual Meetings, and is one of the most popular events of the week, attended by hundreds of freedom-loving NRA members.

At this FREE Workshop, we will discuss how you can take on an even more active role in your community in our mutual fight to advance and protect our cherished freedoms—and begin preparation for the all-important 2010 mid-term congressional elections. We will provide you with the materials and strategies you will need to educate and empower your fellow gun owners as well. The Workshop will feature several guest speakers, including NRA officers and NRA-ILA staff.

With your support and attendance at the Workshop, you'll help ensure that NRA members and gun owners from across the nation are actively in engaged in the battle to protect the Second Amendment. Please encourage your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners to attend as well!

618 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:21pm

re: #583 Sharmuta

Rupert Murdoch can organize pretty well. He qualifies as rich and conservative. Just not American.

619 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #568 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Romans were not vastly superior in technology to any of the people they fought with, in a few respects at times they were actually inferior. The Roman army advantage was always in the discipline, strategies, and tactics of the Roman soldiers.

A little discipline goes a long way. I fight in a well organized SCA warband. We use Viking tactics and formations, but we practice and pretty much know how to stay in formation. It's no contest when we hit unorganized groups or loosely organized units. That was the greatest thing I learned about history in the SCA, how a battle can turn on something as seemingly mundane as a little discipline.

620 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:33pm

re: #596 Sharmuta

Not what I feared at all. Still not totally good though. I was removed by property management request. Part of contract renegotiations. My company still fails though on communications. Short term, I will be taking a pay cut. My schedule will be changing to afternoons. Good news is that I will be able to walk to work.

/what type of world is it that considers a 45 minute walk too far?

621 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:35pm

re: #616 TheMatrix31

These allergies are kicking my ASS and I can't get up and walk out of class to do anything about it :-/ This sucks.

Allergies, eh? What you want is to find a chinese herbalist and get the formula "Pe Min Kan Wan" - works wonders; I live in cedar-fever territory, and it's the only reliable remedy I've ever found.

622 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:46pm

re: #618 axegrinder

Rupert Murdoch can organize pretty well. He qualifies as rich and conservative. Just not American.

Yeah- and he endorsed 0bama, so I'll look elsewhere.

623 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #602 kansas

Which could explain why some of us had a negative reaction to paying for permits and insurance in order to have a gathering.


LOL!

624 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:29:25pm

re: #604 axegrinder

Nothing wrong with adopting foreign laws for our own anyway. As long as they're good laws. I believe T. Jefferson got some good ideas from some dude named Locke.

* * **
Silly wabbit,
Locke wouldn't have been a furriner to T. Jefferson. We WERE their colony after all and had fraternal relations with the English for hundreds of years!

625 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:29:27pm

re: #620 BlueCanuck

I was worried for you. Glad you're still employed, but I'm sorry about the rest.

626 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:29:38pm

re: #611 Sharmuta

We don't have to completely mirror the left, but we can take a few of the tactics and work them to fit our needs. An organization to represent our interests need not have us out on the streets in the middle of the week to get our point across.

But, can we have puppets? Giant ducks? Do we hafta' bathe?

627 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:29:50pm

re: #589 Kosh's Shadow

It depends. The Romans had ballistas and onsagers (catapults); their swords were reasonably good. There was a show on last night that compared what the barbarians had and the Gauls, and neither had catapults or good swords. Their shields were good, though.
But the training and discipline was very important. Hard to break through into a phalanx.
(Of course, this was on the History channel and there was an ad for their "Alien Abductions" show, so take it with as much salt as necessary.)

Even the best technology the planet has to offer won't do an undisciplined army a whit of good, will actually make the situation worse. Look at the Arab armies in '67 and '73.

628 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:29:51pm

re: #621 Guanxi88

Allergies, eh? What you want is to find a chinese herbalist and get the formula "Pe Min Kan Wan" - works wonders; I live in cedar-fever territory, and it's the only reliable remedy I've ever found.

Interesting...thanks for the suggestion!

629 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:06pm

re: #616 TheMatrix31

These allergies are kicking my ASS and I can't get up and walk out of class to do anything about it :-/ This sucks.

Claritin?

630 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:17pm

re: #614 Russkilitlover

Stirrups were a pretty nifty invention of theirs, as well.

Stirrups weren't invented by the Romans. In fact I believe the Franks brought them from the russian steppes when they migrated into Europe.

/hold on, have to go search the proper tribe, I may be wrong about the Franks.

631 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:27pm
632 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #589 Kosh's Shadow

There was something about a week ago on history channel. The 'Warriors 'program (hosted by a guy is is ex-SF). He went over the Teutorborg Forrest battle where a couple Legions got slaughtered by the German tribes. The tribes knew the land and one of theirs was actually on the Roman side untill he betrayed the Romans. good stuff. the tribes fought at night. They painted their shields and bodies black so the Romans had trouble seeing them.

633 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:47pm
634 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:30:50pm

re: #629 MandyManners

Claritin?

I popped a 24-hour one as soon as I woke up today.

Apparently, it's not working lol.

635 filetandrelease  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:31:02pm

re: #600 albusteve

the shield wall...effective if you are willing to stay your ground and depend on your mates....in the open the Romans were no better than the barbarians, often worse


Alexanders Dad figured out how to defeat the "shield wall", which Alexander did to unit the unit Greeks. He discovered if you got a few horses running stampede, you could run them over a cliff, or into a shield wall. Alexander used groups of fifty calvary to do it. It must not have been pretty.

636 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:31:04pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

How about a Lawrence Welk bubble machine at all demonstrations?

Hell, I'd be there in a minute if we had the machine and the Lawrence Welk Band.

637 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:31:44pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

How about a Lawrence Welk bubble machine at all demonstrations?

I'm sooooooooooo there.

638 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:32:19pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

How about a Lawrence Welk bubble machine at all demonstrations?

Wunnerful, wunnerful.......

639 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #626 MandyManners

But, can we have puppets? Giant ducks? Do we hafta' bathe?

Shave? Where the hell did I put my tye dyed t-shirt? Where's my rubber band to hold my ponytail?

640 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:32:31pm

re: #614 Russkilitlover

Stirrups were a pretty nifty invention of theirs, as well.

No, you don't see stirrups until about 800 AD, and they spread out of (of all places) Afghanistan.

641 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:32:54pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

I popped a 24-hour one as soon as I woke up today.

Apparently, it's not working lol.

I'm horrifically allergic to mold.

642 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:07pm

This is one of those hilarious headlines that are written with all sincerity.

Russia locks up six for Mars experiment

The article is in the "most emailed" section.

643 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:14pm
644 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:31pm

re: #630 BlueCanuck

Stirrups weren't invented by the Romans. In fact I believe the Franks brought them from the russian steppes when they migrated into Europe.

/hold on, have to go search the proper tribe, I may be wrong about the Franks.

The Franks musta had some sore Buns after that long ride......
/

645 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:38pm

re: #627 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even the best technology the planet has to offer won't do an undisciplined army a whit of good, will actually make the situation worse. Look at the Arab armies in '67 and '73.

Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power
by Victor Hanson

VDH explores Western Culture's military dominance through history. Excellent read.

646 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #639 sattv4u2

Shave? Where the hell did I put my tye dyed t-shirt? Where's my rubber band to hold my ponytail?

Leave the bong at home.

647 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #611 Sharmuta

We don't have to completely mirror the left, but we can take a few of the tactics and work them to fit our needs. An organization to represent our interests need not have us out on the streets in the middle of the week to get our point across.

I'll look into this phone bank thing. I do pretty good phone. I used to sell newspapers back in the day and was pretty good at it. I was trying to sound whiny in the re: #622 Sharmuta

I didn't know that. Wow. McCain must have pissed him off.

648 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:33:59pm

re: #614 Russkilitlover

Stirrups were a pretty nifty invention of theirs, as well.

What would Gynecology be without them.

/

649 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:34:02pm

re: #626 MandyManners

re: #622 Sharmuta

can this guy [Link: deathby1000papercutsstaff.blogspot.com...] be our leader?

650 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:34:16pm

Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

How Nice...Thanks to the Clinton Administration for helping the Red Chinese develop missile guidance technology in the mid-90's.

651 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #630 BlueCanuck

Grrr, no mention of which tribe brought them to Europe. But the article does say that the Swedes were the first to use them in the 6th century. History of stirrups is a little bit older then that.

652 filetandrelease  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:34:38pm

PIMF, sure is hard to proof when the Auto function is on.

653 nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:08pm

23:58 U.S. to run for seat on UN Human Rights Council (Reuter

because so much good comes out of that hell hole?

654 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:12pm

re: #649 sattv4u2

re: #622 Sharmuta

can this guy [Link: deathby1000papercutsstaff.blogspot.com...] be our leader?

Is that Swollen-Scrotum Man?

655 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Scythians, maybe?

"Thtop calling us Scythians, you big bruteth!"

656 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:30pm

re: #644 LGoPs

The Franks musta had some sore Buns after that long ride......
/

Forty miles a Day: A Cavalry Operations Manual by Princely Arseburns.

657 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:39pm

re: #614 Russkilitlover

Stirrups were a pretty nifty invention of theirs, as well.

History of the Stirrup (yes, its wiki, so grain of salt needed). Definitely not a Roman invention.

658 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #651 BlueCanuck

Grrr, no mention of which tribe brought them to Europe. But the article does say that the Swedes were the first to use them in the 6th century. History of stirrups is a little bit older then that.

Keep searching and llok for whoever invented pancakes. They will probably be the ones that also invented stirrup.........
/

659 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:16pm
660 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:17pm

re: #581 Charles

Odd, I had heard about him as a possible Supreme Court nominee, not state. I read he was a pro choice liberal, but need to so some homework myself.

661 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:19pm

Good afternoon, Lizards!

662 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:36pm

re: #567 albusteve

buckle up for some action....

[Link: www.bernardcornwell.net...]

What's always facinated me about Agincourt is that it took place in 1415, 77 years before Columbus set sail for the New World (which, in spite of what they teach in grade school, he probably at least already suspected was there before weighing anchor- see The Day The Universe Changed by James Burke).

The timespan between Agincourt, the last truly major battle fought in "classical" medieval style on the Continent, and the beginning of the Spanish conquest of Central America (my vote for the first "modern" conflict in the sense of using advanced technology - gunpowder and horses- to compensate for imbalance of forces) was shorter than the the time lapse between the American Revolution and the American Civil War.

For that matter, the Hundred Years' War (that Crecy' and Agincourt were both part of) only ended in 1453, less than forty years before Columbus' voyage. And in the British Isles, the Houses of Lancaster and York only settled the Wars of the Roses in 1485- eight years before the Santa Maria landed on Hispaniola.

Things back then changed faster than most people today think they did.

cheers

eon

663 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:44pm

re: #656 Dianna

Forty miles a Day: A Cavalry Operations Manual by Princely Arseburns.

I knew I was in the Ball Park. About the Franks, that is.........

664 traderjoe9  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:36:53pm

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I love how the flag just manages to be the only thing left standing. It's almost as if someone put it there before taking the picture!

665 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:11pm

re: #649 sattv4u2

Umm- maybe someone else would be better. I'll be contacting a few people over the weekend.

666 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:12pm

re: #658 LGoPs

Keep searching and llok for whoever invented pancakes. They will probably be the ones that also invented stirrup.........
/

early American tack makers preferred a maple stirrup

667 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:25pm

re: #634 TheMatrix31

I popped a 24-hour one as soon as I woke up today.

Apparently, it's not working lol.

You'll feel better tomorrow.

668 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:33pm

re: #658 LGoPs

LOL, actually pancakes and flatbreads are practically reinvented in all cultures. Almost like dumplings.

669 nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:47pm

Hamas plans to establish a staff and command school to train its military commanders ahead of a future conflict with Israel, defense officials told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Good, Great Idea! I think the IDF Air Force will audit the course?

670 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:37:58pm

re: #663 LGoPs

I knew I was in the Ball Park. About the Franks, that is.........

So this thread has degenerated into Saxon violence.

671 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #641 MandyManners

I'm horrifically allergic to mold.

I'm horrifically allergic to Barack Hussein 0bama.

672 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #653 nevergiveup

CNN's Wolf Blitzer was suggesting that this decision was (once again) a deliberate reversal of a Bush policy (Bush refused to have the U.S. participate in this charade -- due to, among other things, the constant desparaging of the State of Israel -- Wolf Blitzer also mentioned this...somewhat surprisingly...)

673 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #613 callahan23

DAVID HARRIS’ antipathy to exposing the al Dura hoax is entirely consistent with his advice to the Obama administration (as well as other foreign governments) to participate in the planning of the Jew-hating stimulus package known as Durban II - against the wishes of the State of Israel. Now he is viciously attacking three of Israel’s best defenders - Caroline Glick, Melanie Phillips and Anne Bayefsky - for advocating an immediate and unequivocal boycott.

A thundering critique of David Harris, Executive Director of the American Jewish Committee, by Philippe Karsenty: 'The American Jewish Committee deserves better leadership' Read on. The writer is a French media critic and the defendant in the Al-Dura trial in Paris.

674 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:50pm

re: #645 jcm

Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power
by Victor Hanson

VDH explores Western Culture's military dominance through history. Excellent read.

Oooh! Another book my local library has! (REQUESTED!) Thanks for the link! :)

675 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #670 Kosh's Shadow

So this thread has degenerated into Saxon violence.

If that's the Angle you want to look at it from.......

676 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:38:57pm

re: #669 nevergiveup

Hamas plans to establish a staff and command school to train its military commanders ahead of a future conflict with Israel, defense officials told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Good, Great Idea! I think the IDF Air Force will audit the course?

No need, just send a gift for the graduation ceremony.

677 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:39:22pm

This is where they make Scrotum Man's blue balls.

[Link: blueballfixed.ytmnd.com...]

678 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:39:23pm

re: #642 So?

This is one of those hilarious headlines that are written with all sincerity.

Russia locks up six for Mars experiment

The article is in the "most emailed" section.

Caprica Six?

679 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:39:34pm

re: #675 LGoPs

If that's the Angle you want to look at it from.......

You have some Gaul.

680 nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:39:42pm

re: #672 J.S.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer was suggesting that this decision was (once again) a deliberate reversal of a Bush policy (Bush refused to have the U.S. participate in this charade -- due to, among other things, the constant desparaging of the State of Israel -- Wolf Blitzer also mentioned this...somewhat surprisingly...)

Can Durban 2 be far behind?

681 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:40:05pm

re: #644 LGoPs

The Franks musta had some sore Buns after that long ride......
/

Their beans probably didn't feel too good either.

682 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:40:09pm

re: #679 Kosh's Shadow

You have some Gaul.

Enough to be divided into three parts.

683 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:40:20pm

Hey all, just checking in to say hello.

I know that the thread is downstairs, but everyone seems to be up here and I just read the Hitchens account.

One of the things that stuck out was the immediate calling for "back up" of the little thug. I have yet to hear an account of a brave fascist who would fight like a man. The one thing that I take heart from in all of that is that if we ever do face those punks with a full show of force, they will cut and run and cower like the little shits they are.

684 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:40:27pm
685 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:40:57pm

re: #657 FurryOldGuyJeans

History of the Stirrup (yes, its wiki, so grain of salt needed). Definitely not a Roman invention.

You know, sometimes you have what you think is a fact in your head for years and years and then....poof! You've been wrong all along. I HATE it when that happens :P

686 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:04pm

re: #663 LGoPs

I knew I was in the Ball Park. About the Franks, that is.........

The Franks later merged with the Bean tribe.

687 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:12pm

re: #676 jcm

No need, just send a gift for the graduation ceremony.

Jutes stop the puns! You quite a lot of Gaul...

688 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #552 avanti

The wife and I spent two years on the Gitmo naval base way before 9-11. the prison camp is just a small part of the base.

Was that the part you were most familiar with?

689 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:36pm

re: #662 eon

Upding for your mention of the Wars of the Roses. Fascinating stuff and a good mind exercise keeping all the players straight.btw, artillery was first used to take a castle during that conflict.

690 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #679 Kosh's Shadow

You have some Gaul.

The Hellvitti I do.......

691 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:51pm

re: #671 TheMatrix31

I'm horrifically allergic to Barack Hussein 0bama.

So is the market.

692 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #608 BlueCanuck

It doesn't matter if you saw that on the History Channel. I have read quite a few books with Roman army tactics described in them. That about sums it up. Meeting a mob as an organized force, with organized tactics will do wonders as a force multiplier.

Meeting them by throwing two javelins, followed by a pilum, apiece, in unison and on command, helps, too.

The pilum was "hinged" in the middle, and once it was stuck in the other guy's shield, he either had to ditch the shield or be tripped by the pilum shaft.

That's when the order to "draw gladii and close" was given.

/All over, bar the shouting, after that, generally.

cheers

eon

693 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:13pm

re: #687 goddessoftheclassroom

Jutes stop the puns! You quite a lot of Gaul...

Sorry, Kosh's Shadow--I just missed your use of "Gaul."

694 TheMatrix31  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:19pm

re: #691 MandyManners

So is the market.

I tried explaining that concept to a buddy yesterday. I think he got it but I don't know.

695 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:28pm

re: #662 eon

nice perspective...in one generation or so after Agincourt the new world was 'discovered' and it's principle empire, the Aztec, destroyed...amazing

696 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #685 Russkilitlover

You know, sometimes you have what you think is a fact in your head for years and years and then....poof! You've been wrong all along. I HATE it when that happens :P

Happens to me ALL the time, and usually here at lgf. The lizards won't let any exposed errant fact go unchallenged.

697 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:47pm

re: #690 LGoPs

The Hellvitti I do.......

Hellvetii....PIMF

698 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:42:48pm

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh! Another book my local library has! (REQUESTED!) Thanks for the link! :)

If you like it, may I recommend The Face of Battle by John Keegan.

In fact, anything by John Keegan.

699 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:43:13pm

re: #686 Occasional Reader

The Franks later merged with the Bean tribe.

The Beanies were weenies.

700 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:43:38pm

re: #697 LGoPs

Hellvetii....PIMF

You Pict a great time to PIMF.

701 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #686 Occasional Reader

The Franks later merged with the Bean tribe.

I thought it was the Furters........

702 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh! Another book my local library has! (REQUESTED!) Thanks for the link! :)

ALL of his books are excellent....VDH is da bomb

703 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:44:12pm

re: #639 sattv4u2

Shave? Where the hell did I put my tye dyed t-shirt? Where's my rubber band to hold my ponytail?

Where's that old roach clip.....?

704 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:45:00pm

re: #680 nevergiveup

omg now blitzer has on some blood libel crank on his program...figures. More and more these obscene bastards are crawling out of the woodwork. (I refuse to even think about Durban).

705 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:45:44pm

re: #684 buzzsawmonkey

I am so tired of Kaposeurs.

Kaposeurs?
Kapo - Para-nazi-policemen?

706 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:45:51pm

re: #701 LGoPs

I thought it was the Furters........

No, they lived far away on the plains (Furter Downs).

707 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:46:00pm

re: #648 CyanSnowHawk

What would Gynecology be without them.

/

Or Bawny Fwank

708 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:46:03pm

re: #687 goddessoftheclassroom

Jutes stop the puns! You quite a lot of Gaul...

Relax, hun.

709 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #708 Occasional Reader

Relax, hun.

You've Goth some beans yourself, there.

710 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:06pm

why Blitzer allows this on his program is beyond my understanding.

711 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:23pm

re: #698 OldLineTexan

If you like it, may I recommend The Face of Battle by John Keegan.

In fact, anything by John Keegan.

Library system has that one too! (SNAGGED as well!) Oh, I am just overwhelmed with the bounty of good suggestions from the vast army of lizard minions. Thanks! :)

712 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #708 Occasional Reader

Relax, hun.

Weren't they from Punnonia...?

713 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:32pm

re: #702 albusteve

ALL of his books are excellent....VDH is da bomb

I'm picky and particular about what I read usually, so little time. History is one area I won't scrimp on, though. ;)

714 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:34pm

re: #709 OldLineTexan

You've Goth some beans yourself, there.

She can't see me anyway... I'm invisigoth.

715 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:54pm

re: #714 Occasional Reader

She can't see me anyway... I'm invisigoth.

You vandal. You stole that right out of my mouth.......

716 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:09pm

re: #711 FurryOldGuyJeans

Library system has that one too! (SNAGGED as well!) Oh, I am just overwhelmed with the bounty of good suggestions from the vast army of lizard minions. Thanks! :)

Keegan lectured at Sandhurst for quite a while. Worth the read.

717 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:21pm

/oldest one is eight

718 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:59pm

re: #717 Killian Bundy



/oldest one is eight

Just think, they could travel to England and diss Obama one day ...

/

719 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:01pm

re: #688 father_of_10

Was that the part you were most familiar with?

There was no camp, back in the 70's. We even had Cubans coming through the gate to work back then. We had three Cuban techs that helped maintain the microwave link to Leeward Point.

720 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #141 jcm


Tensegrity
are very cool also.....

Tensegrity and geodesics are classic Fuller - both ideas were developed by others, and stolen by Bucky, who shamelessly promoted them as his own without giving a lick of credit to those actually responsible.

Google "Ken Snelson" for the real story behind tensegrity. He invented it, developed the idea and continues to produce major artwork incorporating it.

Geodesics, in general, is hundreds of years old, and the earliest examples of geodesic domes using geometry identical to that promoted by Fuller date from the very early 20th century. Fuller appropriated the idea, tossed some grad students at it, and wove it into his impenetrable crock of 60s pseudo-scientific gobbledeygook. He had no hand at all in it's invention.

Fuller was extremely good at one thing: marketing Buckminster Fuller. Whenever I see "The Wizard of Oz," the scenes featuring the fortune teller and the Wizard, both glib charlatans, remind me strongly of him. They even bear a strong resemblance to Fuller.

[Link: www.grunch.net...]
[Link: www.grunch.net...]
[Link: mathworld.wolfram.com...]

721 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #657 FurryOldGuyJeans

History of the Stirrup (yes, its wiki, so grain of salt needed). Definitely not a Roman invention.

Apparently, the stirrup entered Europe via the Frankish kingdoms in the 8th Century A.D. (considering that they had gone round and round with the Sarmatians a few times, this probably isn't surprising);


The evidence for its arrival is only indirect, but it provides an interesting example of one of the peripheral effects of invention, that of language change. The Frankish words for getting on and off a horse were replaced at this period by words that mean "to step up" or "to step down". Other effects show themselves: the francisca (throwing hatchet, similar to a tomahawk), battle axe, and the ango, the javelin- (all) weapons predominantly used by foot soldiers- disappeared from the Frankish armory. The spatha, the sword, became too long to be used with ease by a man on foot. And, most significantly, the spear took on a wing attachment just behind the head. This modification would only have been necessary if the spear were to become embedded too far in the body of the enemy to be easily pulled out. The force being applied to create this problem in the first place could only come from the impact of a horse. The spear was obviously being used as a lance, and this would only be possible with the stirrup acting as an anchor to keep the rider on the horse at the moment of impact.

-Connections by James Burke, chap. 3, "Distant Voices", p. 52

By the way, it was the stirrup, and the lance, as used by the Normans' cavalry shock troop, that broke the Saxon line at Hastings in 1066, and made William... the Conqueror.

cheers

eon

722 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:50pm

Ahhhh, I was parked in a fire lane at the liqour store today for about 3 minutes max. Came out...saw the cop pull up behind my truck...went to see what the deal was...walked off with a 15 dollar ticket. Good thing I am made of money/

723 UncleRancher  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #717 Killian Bundy

That one took my breath away! Upding!

724 SFGoth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:30pm

Just won an appellate victory in the 1st Dist. Ct of Appeal (Bay Area) on a SLAPP motion against the dreaded tenants' mouthpiece Tenderloin Housing Clinic. Nice. :-> Scotch coming my way. Strike another victory for property owners.

725 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:22:11pm

re: #552 avanti

The wife and I spent two years on the Gitmo naval base way before 9-11. the prison camp is just a small part of the base.

What were you folks in for?


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