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Anti-vaccination fever caused an LGF reader in Irvine, California to email the following mash note, titled “how much we think we know:”

Charles,
How do you know there’s no connection between vaccines and autism?? AS far as I know there’s no “official” link between eating deep colored vegetables and getting cancer whatever that means. You probably think Lorraine Day and Dr. Gerson are quacks as a result. You’re way too comfortable outside of your knowedge base my friend.
Mike

(Typos and misspellings left intact for dramatic effect.)

Not that it will make any difference to Mike, but I repeat: there is absolutely no evidence that measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR) causes autism.

UPDATE at 3/31/09 8:33:08 pm:

For reference:

Stay Away from Dr. Lorraine Day

Max Gerson: Questionable Cancer Therapies

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1199 comments
1 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:52:14pm

I love mail.

2 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:53:17pm
3 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:53:26pm

So...this one isn't registered to comment and e-mailed instead?

4 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:01pm

Hmmm... courts would beg to differ with the emailer. You know, after taking sample cases from those that sued the vaccine manufacturers, they found no link.

5 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:18pm
AS far as I know there’s no “official” link between eating deep colored vegetables and getting cancer whatever that means.

*snicker*

He said colored vegetables...racist!

6 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:21pm
7 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:26pm
AS far as I know there’s no “official” link between eating deep colored vegetables and getting cancer whatever that means.

Quite literally backwards. Dark greens are high in anti-oxidants which is supposed to help reduce the risk of cancer.

8 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:38pm

Charles: My knowledge base is your knowledge base. Feel free to use it.
FB, M.D.

9 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:55:57pm

Honest question: Is there any evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism? Maybe not in all cases but could it not be a factor in some?

10 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:56:22pm

What else can I say...

11 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:56:53pm
You’re way too comfortable outside of your knowedge base my friend.

So, only people who are degreed in a certain subject should be allowed to discuss it?

12 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:56:54pm

Charles,

Just as a side note,

Bravo for taking the time to be a good researcher and someone who gives a damn about getting his science straight.

If you could convince more people to actually know what they were talking about scientifically, by actually reading legitimate sources, understanding them and remembering what they say we would have a dramatically different landscape in this nation.

I know that this pean sounds obsequious, but I am sincere. Bravo to you.

13 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:56:55pm

The author of said email probably gets his medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or by watching Oprah.

So, is Dr. Gerber a quack?

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Hmmm... courts would beg to differ with the emailer. You know, after taking sample cases from those that sued the vaccine manufacturers, they found no link.

Excellent post, hawk of the law.

Sorry to hear about your ankle. I did the same thing once playing racquet ball. Hurts like a bastard.

15 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:37pm

re: #13 Gus 802

The author of said email probably gets his medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or by watching Oprah.

So, is Dr. Gerber a quack?

He should be watching Dr. Phil.
/

16 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:39pm

Let's assume for the briefest possible moment that there is a link between autism and vaccinations (I repeat: I am not saying there is). A child dying of fever, pulmonary edema and muscle spasms is worth the risk of not immunising your child?
I thought science and reason were supposed to stop this kind of thinking.

17 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:53pm

re: #9 UberInfidel67

There was no decrease in Autism in children who did not receive MMR. Both groups have the same expected rate of Autism.

18 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:57:54pm

re: #14 Charles

Hawk of the law lol lol lol

19 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:58:19pm

I had anti-vaccination fever as a kid. I sure wish there was a vaccine to prevent it

20 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:58:27pm

re: #17 FightingBack
OK...that is all I was asking. : )

21 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:58:35pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

He should be watching Dr. Phil.
/

Good advices! ;)

Dr. Phil/Oprah Winfrey... Mind and Body

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22 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:59:00pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Hmmm... courts would beg to differ with the emailer. You know, after taking sample cases from those that sued the vaccine manufacturers, they found no link.

It's an article of faith, for some people.

23 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:59:00pm

re: #9 UberInfidel67

Honest question: Is there any evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism? Maybe not in all cases but could it not be a factor in some?

It's pretty hard to prove a negative. I mean you could have 10,000 tests with no Autism and still ask if 10,001 might have done it.

A better question is: Is there any reason or mechanism to believe that MMR would cause it. If so, look for that.

24 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:59:50pm

OT: Seems that Showtime is going to be rolling out a series about "guns, and the people who buy them", called Lock & Load.

It will be scrupulously fair, I'm sure.

///

25 jordash1212  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:00:17pm

There is a connection between ignorance and bad health...

26 MNsnowlizard  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:09pm

There is a risk in everything. Vaccinating your children, driving to work or having surgery. The only thing you can do is do whatever you can do to minimize the risk. I don't have kids, but I would rather have a small risk of them developing autism than the ultimate risk of having them getting a disease and having to bury them.

27 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:35pm

re: #14 Charles

I did the same thing once playing racquet ball.

That's the official story, anyway.

Now, tell us the real, embarrassing truth! How'd it happen?

28 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #20 UberInfidel67

But there were some deaths due to wild type Measles in the unvaccinated group, of course.

29 jim in virginia  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:39pm

You can get cancer from eating deep colored vegetables?
WTF are deep colored vegetables?

30 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:58pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

OT: Seems that Showtime is going to be rolling out a series about "guns, and the people who buy them", called Lock & Load.

It will be scrupulously fair, I'm sure.

///

At the target range where I used to shoot, sweet, plump little old Mrs. Shapiro, a 4'11" grandma used to put out x's at 50 feet with a 44. wheel gun that was bigger than her fore arms.

31 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:01:59pm

There is a great deal of evidence that vaccinations did not and do not cause autism. There is even more evidence that whooping cough causes death, mumps deafness, and measles havoc.

32 angst  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:02:02pm

Not to make excuses for Mike, but back in the day I actually had a doctor friend try to talk me into withholding thimerosal-containing Rh vaccine for RH- women in pregnancy, when there was already a shortage of vaccine as it was. His kid had autism and he was convinced that it was the prenatal vaccine that did it.

Nevermind all the babies who'd need in utero transfusions due to Rh disease, and all the attendant risks with that.

It's scary what people can talk themselves into. Even the ones that know better.

33 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote
Just trying to look at both sides of the argument here. When my kids were little it was all about the threats about them not being allowed into school yada yada yada. I felt like they didn't give me time to research or THINK about my decision. I felt bullied. In the end, I did vaccinate.

34 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:02:17pm

re: #26 MNsnowlizard

There is a risk in everything. Vaccinating your children, driving to work or having surgery. The only thing you can do is do whatever you can do to minimize the risk. I don't have kids, but I would rather have a small risk of them developing autism than the ultimate risk of having them getting a disease and having to bury them.

Life is dangerous.

35 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #14 Charles

Excellent post, hawk of the law.

Sorry to hear about your ankle. I did the same thing once playing racquet ball. Hurts like a bastard.

Thanks. I think this is going to hurt the Mrs. more than me. She's going to be fighting me to keep from doing more than I think I can. Like walking and getting around without crutches or the like for the first week.

36 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:02:37pm

My oldest nephew is autistic. My SIL noted that his behavior started becoming odd before the MMR vaccine was administered, but that every third person she ran into was determined to blame it.

37 MNsnowlizard  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:11pm

re: #34 Harry Tuttle

That it can be, but I am not going to stop living it.

38 Jimash  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:24pm

"there’s no “official” link between eating deep colored vegetables and getting cancer whatever that means."

To what does this sentence refer ?

39 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:33pm

re: #31 pat

There is a great deal of evidence that vaccinations did not and do not cause autism. There is even more evidence that whooping cough causes death, mumps deafness, and measles havoc.

I got the mumps when I was 27. I gather vaccinations can wear off.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:52pm

re: #38 Jimash

"there’s no “official” link between eating deep colored vegetables and getting cancer whatever that means."

To what does this sentence refer ?

Broccoli?

41 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:56pm

re: #39 Dianna

I got the mumps when I was 27. I gather vaccinations can wear off.

Yes, they can. Hence booster shots...

42 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:03:59pm

re: #35 lawhawk

Thanks. I think this is going to hurt the Mrs. more than me. She's going to be fighting me to keep from doing more than I think I can. Like walking and getting around without crutches or the like for the first week.

you are a victim of circumstance...play it through

43 MNsnowlizard  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:02pm

Night everyone! Gotta work OT tomorrow, see everyone on the flip side and Charles, you are the best!

44 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:16pm

If you ever look at the contraindications on some medicine you might notice that a few result in death. A very tiny percentage. Now, give the response from these contraindications do people actually believe that we can manufacturer a drug that is 100% safe for 100% of the population? Not likely to happen and if that was ever a standard aspirin would be pulled off the shelves.

45 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:18pm

re: #37 MNsnowlizard

That it can be, but I am not going to stop living it.

That was pretty much my point.

46 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:24pm

re: #29 jim in virginia

Dark colored vegetables like spinach, brussel sprouts, broccoli- stuff like that.

47 angst  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:28pm

re: #39 Dianna

I got the mumps when I was 27. I gather vaccinations can wear off.

Yeah they can. I got whooping cough, myself.

48 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:41pm

re: #36 Dianna

My oldest nephew is autistic. My SIL noted that his behavior started becoming odd before the MMR vaccine was administered, but that every third person she ran into was determined to blame it.

Diana -

Let's call it what it is - American Roulette - sue the right person/company and be SET FOR LIFE. That is all

-S-

49 Summer Seale  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:49pm

As in all living things, this site evolves with every passing day. It is wonderful to see it expand from simply an Anti-Idiotarian site to the more generally needed (and still inclusive of the former) Anti-Bullshit site. =)

Thank you Charles. =)

50 Irish Rose  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:55pm

I have a headache, peace out y'all.

51 MNsnowlizard  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:04:57pm

re: #45 Harry Tuttle

I know, just reiterating it. :)

52 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:03pm

re: #29 jim in virginia

You can get cancer from eating deep colored vegetables?
WTF are deep colored vegetables?

If you boil your broccoli in red dye #2, I guess.

The bioflavanoids and such in deeply colored vegetables is supposed to prevent cancer. I dunno what wingnut poster was even trying to say.

53 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:13pm

re: #41 J.D.

Yes, they can. Hence booster shots...

Well, I wish someone had told me.

54 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Dark colored vegetables like spinach, brussel sprouts, broccoli- stuff like that.

I can't stand brussel sprouts.

55 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:29pm

re: #39 Dianna

A Mumps booster shot is now required for entry to some colleges, after outbreaks.

56 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:39pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

Yes- and dark fruits too, like blueberries.

57 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:05:51pm
58 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:01pm

re: #51 MNsnowlizard

I know, just reiterating it. :)

Ok. Never mind.

:-)

59 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:13pm

I often wonder what Keith Richards has to say with regard to dark vegetables...

60 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:13pm

OT: watever happened to the rotating title?

61 stuiec  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:18pm

re: #25 jordash1212

There is a connection between ignorance and bad health...

In this instance, because of the success of the vaccine in preventing the diseases it was designed to prevent, most people are ignorant of the nature of those diseases and the dangers they would present to their children if they came roaring back. Measles, mumps and rubella are bad enough, but diptheria and pertussis are diseases now controlled by vaccination that would be hideous if allowed to become endemic again.

62 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:20pm

re: #9 UberInfidel67

Honest question: Is there any evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism? Maybe not in all cases but could it not be a factor in some?

Cause, is a strong word.
If MMR caused autism you'd see more cases among vaccinated children.

Is it a contributor to autism?
The studies indicate not. Also from Charles's link above, The risk of autism in the group of vaccinated children was the same as that in unvaccinated children.

The fact there are case of autism without MMR is a strong indicator that excludes MMR from being a contributor to autism.

63 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:28pm

When I was a kid cranberries were "the cancer food". And eggs were good for you. Butter too.

64 Teh Flowah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #11 MandyManners

So, only people who are degreed in a certain subject should be allowed to discuss it?

You can discuss it, just don't mistake your opinion for an expert's opinion backed by research and data.

65 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #9 UberInfidel67

Honest question: Is there any evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism? Maybe not in all cases but could it not be a factor in some?

It's near impossible to prove a negative, you must always prove the positive. e.g. I don't believe in UFO's, you probably don't believe in UFO's, (speaking in the traditional "little green men with rectal probes" sense) but neither of us can prove that they aren't out there harassing elderly women and drunks with those probes...

66 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #39 Dianna

It changes from person to person. For many vaccinations 20 years is given as the outside limit, but some develop permanent immunity. The diminishment is gradual, so one becomes less immune so to speak, or so I have been told. I believe there is little science.

67 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:34pm

re: #60 noshariaincanada

chunks of funk

68 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:49pm

re: #60 noshariaincanada

OT: watever happened to the rotating title?

Rotating title alert!

69 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:54pm

re: #53 Dianna

Well, I wish someone had told me.

You know, I've really only heard about them for children, other than when they give you a tetanus shot after a puncture wound. I've heard mumps are pretty bad when you're grown. True?

70 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:54pm
Anti-vaccination fever caused an LGF reader in Irvine, California to email the following mash note, titled “how much we think we know:”

Other things you'll never know:

How much I love you
How much I care
How, when you put your arms around me, you give me a fever that's so hard to bear

71 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:58pm

re: #55 FightingBack

A Mumps booster shot is now required for entry to some colleges, after outbreaks.

I didn't know that. I'm not surprised, though.

That was wildly unpleasant.

72 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:06:59pm

re: #47 angst

That was one of our weakest vaccines. There's a new one especially for a booster for folks 11 years old and up to 59.

73 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:07:01pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

On the other hand, there is firm evidence that exposure to Steve Rubella causes cocaine use.

Wow, a Studio 54 reference. That's an old one.

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:07:03pm

I suppose I shouldn't say anything on the matter- I'm not a nutritionalist.

75 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:07:54pm

When will they come up with a vaccine that prevents stupid?

76 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:11pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

I suppose I shouldn't say anything on the matter- I'm not a nutritionalist.

Not a Pulitzer Prize winning nutritionalist.

77 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:20pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

I suppose I shouldn't say anything on the matter- I'm not a nutritionalist.

What do you eat to maintain that lovely blue color?

78 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:20pm
79 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:31pm

I just love when "we" get mail! As whacky, nutty, kooky, insufferable, obnoxious, insane, insidious, obtuse as I am, it's good to see I'm not nearly near that end of the gene pool!

80 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #13 Gus 802

The author of said email probably gets his medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or by watching Oprah.

So, is Dr. Gerber a quack?

Let's just say he'd better stay away from my standard poodles. They all consider water fowl to be prey.

81 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:39pm

re: #68 Harry Tuttle

Rotating title alert!

this would make a cool rotating title, i think:

“You don’t want a messianic apocalyptic cult controlling atomic bombs.

82 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:40pm

re: #77 jcm

What do you eat to maintain that lovely blue color?

Smurfberries, of course.

83 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:42pm

re: #66 pat

It changes from person to person. For many vaccinations 20 years is given as the outside limit, but some develop permanent immunity. The diminishment is gradual, so one becomes less immune so to speak, or so I have been told. I believe there is little science.

Well, I'm sure I ended up in somebody's statistical database.

84 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:44pm

More likely beets, and other dark purple vegetables. Such flavonoids are powerful antioxidants that some believe inhibit cancer cell growth.

85 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:47pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?


Red peppers?
Rhubarb?
Spargel?

86 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:55pm

re: #75 Racer X

When will they come up with a vaccine that prevents stupid?

It would be useless. The smart people wouldn't need it, and the ones who needed it would be too stupid to get it.

87 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:57pm

re: #75 Racer X

When will they come up with a vaccine that prevents stupid?

Pain........

88 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:58pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

Broccoli?

89 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:08:58pm

re: #75 Racer X

When will they come up with a vaccine that prevents stupid?

The United States Constitution

90 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:09:18pm

Also- dark chocolate is a great source of anti-oxidants.

91 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #69 J.D.

It may infect the testicles, and sterility can be the result. (Of the Wild Type Disease! Not the vaccine!)

92 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:09:40pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Time to re-write "A Boy Named Sue."

But not tonight.

That was quite a tort reply. Not that this is a complaint, mind you.

93 angst  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:09:53pm

re: #53 Dianna

Well, I wish someone had told me.

If you get an illness after being vaccinated, it usually won't be life-threatening. Small consolation when you feel like crap, but generally true.

94 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:09:54pm

re: #88 Thanos

Thanks, I needed a laugh tonight.

95 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:17pm

re: #85 Jim in Virginia

Red peppers?
Rhubarb?
Spargel?

Jim in Va -

Arugala?

-S-

96 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:28pm

re: #92 Occasional Reader

That was quite a tort reply. Not that this is a complaint, mind you.

No more actionababble posts tonight?

97 baier  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:45pm

Deep Colored Vegetables used to be my favorite band!...I used sit back, put on the hi-fi and FREAK OUT!

98 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #91 FightingBack

It may infect the testicles, and sterility can be the result. (Of the Wild Type Disease! Not the vaccine!)

Thank heaven Dianna doesn't have any of those!

I've heard that but I wasn't sure it was true. Now I know.
Thanks!

99 Truck Monkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:48pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

Also- dark chocolate is a great source of anti-oxidants.

And zits and fatty pouches around the midsection.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:10:51pm

re: #29 jim in virginia

You can get cancer from eating deep colored vegetables?
WTF are deep colored vegetables?

Any vegetable darker than a brown paper bag...

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101 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:17pm

re: #36 Dianna

My oldest nephew is autistic. My SIL noted that his behavior started becoming odd before the MMR vaccine was administered, but that every third person she ran into was determined to blame it.

The problems are often concurrent at or around the time the vaccines are given, but it is a matter of causation, and the studies haven't shown causation. The craziness surrounding the vaccine link is such that these people are more than willing to threaten public health by reducing the number of people in communities who provide vaccines to their kids to prevent easily preventable diseases (and all the costs, including lost job productivity for the parents who have to care for their sick kids), out of the unproven fear that vaccines - and specifically the MMR - cause autism.

Scientists keep finding other reasons for the autism link, particularly genetics, but these people will continue harping on the vaccines.

102 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:19pm

re: #53 Dianna

Well, I wish someone had told me.

Pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine is the most useful to you now. i highly recommend it. Will cost about $25. It may save your life.

103 daffy duck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:19pm

re: #75 Racer X

When will they come up with a vaccine that prevents stupid?

"You can't cure stupid."

Ron White - I think..

104 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:23pm

There have been so many volatile organic chemicals introduced into the home environment in the last twenty years it's not even funny. Pthalates in baby bottles. Flame retardants in furniture, &c. No one really knows what affects these substances have on A) pregnant mothers and their growing fetuses and B) the kids after birth. Vaccines are an easy target for devastated parents looking for the *why* of their grief.

105 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Dark colored vegetables like spinach, brussel sprouts, broccoli- stuff like that.


And there are people who think they cause cancer?
Next you'll tell me we're descended from monkeys.
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106 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:53pm

re: #95 Dr. Shalit

Jim in Va -

Arugala?

-S-

Yes.

107 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:55pm

re: #69 J.D.

You know, I've really only heard about them for children, other than when they give you a tetanus shot after a puncture wound. I've heard mumps are pretty bad when you're grown. True?

Dreadful. I had a miserable fever, and it wouldn't break. I was so weak at the end of the fifth day that I had to crawl to the bathroom. And it took forever to recover. The swelling under my jaw was very painful, as well.

Scarlet fever was worse (I had that in fifth grade, and missed being the soloist for Easter Morning service because of it, so I was bummed). But not by much.

And, of course, I had someone to take care of me when I had scarlet fever. Getting sick with mumps when you're an adult and live alone except for a dog and a cat just sucks.

108 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:11:56pm

If you are of the mindset that vaccinating your child is not worth the risk then I'm guessing you don't make your children wear safety belts in the car either. Same logic.

109 Radar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:02pm

I say it to my friends and students all the time, but it bears repeating: we live in the Age of Unreason.

110 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:06pm
111 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:13pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

Broccoli

112 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:21pm

re: #98 J.D.

There's other nasty stuff too, like mumps encephalitis (a brain infection) but when I mention the testicles, that usually gets a great response.

113 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:27pm

re: #60 noshariaincanada

OT: watever happened to the rotating title?

Above the link to the lizard lounge

114 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:29pm

re: #85 Jim in Virginia

Red peppers?
Rhubarb?
Spargel?

Mmmm Rhubarb. Rhubarb pie, strawberry-rhubarb pie, stewed rhubarb..Mmmmm

115 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:46pm

AUTISTIC-DEEP-COLORED-VEGETABLES...............
nah, not a good name for a band.

/mmmmmmmmmm broccoli..........

116 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:12:58pm

And I believe the time that MMR is given is about the time that the child develops sufficiently that symptoms of autism can be seen.

117 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:01pm

re: #109 Radar

I say it to my friends and students all the time, but it bears repeating: we live in the Age of Unreason.

With BHO as Unreason's avatar.

118 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:03pm

The relative deepness of the color of vegetables is determined by weekly polling. The current trend is for deepification.

119 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #99 Truck Monkey

And zits and fatty pouches around the midsection.

Truck Monkey -

And you expected "Money for Nothing? - Only Zits are Free."

-S-

120 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:23pm

Hee hee....

A very wealthy lawyer vacationed for several weeks each year at his summer home in the backwoods of Maine. Each summer, he would invite friends to come to visit him.

One summer he invited a lawyer from the Czech Republic to visit. The friend, eager to see how a wealthy American vacationed, gratefully agreed.

They had a wonderful vacation, and spent a great deal of time exploring the woods and enjoying the natural setting.

One morning, as the lawyer and his Czech friend were walking through the woods, they were approached by two huge bears -- a male and a female.

The lawyer noticed them in time to run for cover. His friend, however, was not so lucky. The male bear reached him and swallowed him whole.

Seeing this, the lawyer ran to his Mercedes and sped for the nearest town to get the local sheriff. The sheriff grabbed a high-powered rifle and they raced back to the berry patch.

Luckily, the bears were still there.

“He's in THAT one!” cried the lawyer, pointing at the bear that had consumed his friend. “Quick -- shoot it. Maybe we can still save my friend!”

The sheriff looked at the bears, levelled his gun, took careful aim, and shot the female. His aim was true, and the female bear collapsed to the ground. The startled male fled into the woods.

“Why did you do that?” demanded the lawyer, “I said he was in the other bear!”

“Exactly,” replied the sheriff.

“Would you believe a lawyer who told you that the Czech was in the male?”

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:27pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Dark colored vegetables like spinach, brussel sprouts, broccoli- stuff like that.

I don't know, I think brussels sprouts are kind of a medium shade of green.
//

122 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:28pm

re: #107 Dianna

Dreadful. I had a miserable fever, and it wouldn't break. I was so weak at the end of the fifth day that I had to crawl to the bathroom. And it took forever to recover. The swelling under my jaw was very painful, as well.

Scarlet fever was worse (I had that in fifth grade, and missed being the soloist for Easter Morning service because of it, so I was bummed). But not by much.

And, of course, I had someone to take care of me when I had scarlet fever. Getting sick with mumps when you're an adult and live alone except for a dog and a cat just sucks.

Anyone ever get cat scratch fever?

Read about this once, like two weeks of high fever and sounded quite nasty.

I'm a dog person.

123 Jimash  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:13:44pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

Broccoli can give you cancer ?
I repeat the question despite it being asked by my namesake in VA.
Hi Jim.
Ok ok Broccoli might stave off cancer. I will have a stalk with my ciggy.
I love that dark chocolate, but not with the broccoli ( Vile weed).

124 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:07pm

re: #107 Dianna

Ooooo. So does that make you immune to having it again, or at least so severely?

I had scarlet fever, too, when I was 7. Sick I was!

125 RightMinded  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:23pm

Just a quick post before I step out. For those of you who didn't catch NY Nana's posting of this link from Scientific American:

Autism Linked to Environment

It's an interesting read.

126 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:29pm

re: #104 austin_blue

There have been so many volatile organic chemicals introduced into the home environment in the last twenty years it's not even funny. Pthalates in baby bottles. Flame retardants in furniture, &c. No one really knows what affects these substances have on A) pregnant mothers and their growing fetuses and B) the kids after birth. Vaccines are an easy target for devastated parents looking for the *why* of their grief.

Modern society has far better infant morality rates, longetivity etc... than the 3rd world.

I'll take the risks of the better living through chemistry to the risks of living in filth any time.

127 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:36pm

re: #113 Neo Con since 9-11

Above the link to the lizard lounge

thank you for pointing that out - i'm on a mini-netbook (EEEpc) and I had to scroll right to see that.

128 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:14:51pm

re: #33 UberInfidel67

Just trying to look at both sides of the argument here. When my kids were little it was all about the threats about them not being allowed into school yada yada yada. I felt like they didn't give me time to research or THINK about my decision. I felt bullied. In the end, I did vaccinate.

I really do hear you. No one should feel that they can not have the time to look at the best evidence. However, vaccination is in general a good thing. Consider polio. I do not want to think about that making a comeback.

Part of the analysis is what are the risks of not vaccinating.

No for sure, if there is a known flaw in a vaccine, it should not be used willy nilly. However, we have been vaccinating for measles mumps and rubella for generations now. There are literally hundreds of millions of test cases. You and I are most likely amongst them. If there were honestly a strong correlation between the vaccination and autism, it would have shown up by now.

129 Radar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:05pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

With BHO as Unreason's avatar.

You know, I think his election is the ultimate expression of our collective Unreason.

130 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:13pm

I'll say again that I'm not a nutritionalist, but I did decide recently to improve my diet so I have been researching various foods, and the health benefits of dark colored fruits and vegetables is hard to deny.

131 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:15pm

re: #123 Jimash

Broccoli can give you cancer ?
I repeat the question despite it being asked by my namesake in VA.
Hi Jim.
Ok ok Broccoli might stave off cancer. I will have a stalk with my ciggy.
I love that dark chocolate, but not with the broccoli ( Vile weed).

Broccoli gives me gas...just saying

132 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:40pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

I'll say again that I'm not a nutritionalist, but I did decide recently to improve my diet so I have been researching various foods, and the health benefits of dark colored fruits and vegetables is hard to deny.

Dark beer and and red wine too!

133 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:52pm

re: #107 Dianna

Dreadful. I had a miserable fever, and it wouldn't break. I was so weak at the end of the fifth day that I had to crawl to the bathroom. And it took forever to recover. The swelling under my jaw was very painful, as well.

Scarlet fever was worse (I had that in fifth grade, and missed being the soloist for Easter Morning service because of it, so I was bummed). But not by much.

And, of course, I had someone to take care of me when I had scarlet fever. Getting sick with mumps when you're an adult and live alone except for a dog and a cat just sucks.

My mother caught the mumps from my sister and me. Oh she was very, very sick.

134 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:15:56pm

re: #112 FightingBack

Oh, joy.
I didn't know about that, either.
If you didn't have mumps and you're an adult, should you get some protection?

135 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:02pm
136 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:04pm

re: #112 FightingBack

There's other nasty stuff too, like mumps encephalitis (a brain infection) but when I mention the testicles, that usually gets a great response.

Can it affect female fertility? I only wonder because I've never had a pregnancy scare since.

137 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:07pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

She's chopping bro-co-li, chopping bro-co-li-eee

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:21pm

re: #39 Dianna

I got the mumps when I was 27. I gather vaccinations can wear off.

Measles at 24. It was pure misery. Took a week before the spots started. Took three after that before I left my house.

Somewhere in the middle of all this, my mother called me up to say that she was coming by my place with soup, and that the president had been having an affair with some young woman named Lewinsky.

It was a very strange time.

139 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:32pm

re: #126 jcm

Modern society has far better infant morality rates, longetivity etc... than the 3rd world.

I'll take the risks of the better living through chemistry to the risks of living in filth any time.

jcm -

"...I want my DDT..."

-S-

140 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:52pm

re: #124 J.D.

Ooooo. So does that make you immune to having it again, or at least so severely?

I had scarlet fever, too, when I was 7. Sick I was!

I've been told that it won't.

Though I didn't get strep again for years, which was good.

141 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:16:56pm

re: #132 jcm

Dark beer and and red wine too!

Red wine is good for the heart!

/Sometimes in more way than one- ooo la la!

142 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:02pm

re: #134 J.D.

Oh, joy.
I didn't know about that, either.
If you didn't have mumps and you're an adult, should you get some protection?

That's the weird thing about mumps. If you get them as a kid, you don't get them as an adult, but if you get them as an adult, you don't get kids.

143 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:07pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Dark colored vegetables like spinach, brussel sprouts, broccoli- stuff like that.

Beets?

when I was a young newlywed, my husband's relatives told me that I must make beet borscht for Passover, because my husband loved it! Even though I don't like borscht, every year, I made a big pot of borscht for Passover. And he ate big bowls of it.

This went on for about 10-15 years. Then, as I was getting out the borscht pot, my dear one said, "are you making that stuff again? I hate it!"

I said, "Why did you eat it all these years and never tell me you hated it?"

He said, "it helps me not pass gas."

144 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:14pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

I'll say again that I'm not a nutritionalist, but I did decide recently to improve my diet so I have been researching various foods, and the health benefits of dark colored fruits and vegetables is hard to deny.

Eating things of all different colors seems pretty smart.

Carrots, beets, taters, spinach, bacon, cheezy poofs.

145 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:24pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Measles at 24. It was pure misery. Took a week before the spots started. Took three after that before I left my house.

Somewhere in the middle of all this, my mother called me up to say that she was coming by my place with soup, and that the president had been having an affair with some young woman named Lewinsky.

It was a very strange time.

I bet you thought you were hallucinating.

146 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:34pm

Actually toxicologists will tell you that most fruits and vegetables have natural toxins in their skins that act as insect repellents, insecticides, fungal preventatives, and other natural defenses. Some of these are carcinogenic, but the amounts are so small they aren't likely to have much if any effect on humans.

However knowing that means I peel most fruits and vegetables and leave the skin aside.

147 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:17:41pm

re: #124 J.D.

If the diagnosis of Mumps was correct (it can be tricky. FB can do it with an exam of the jawline, but not everyone can. The wild type disease is rare) then you are immune for life.
The Scarlet fever, however (I need a Strep culture to prove that one; but I have a good percentage of guessing right) is one that you can have repeatedly, as there are many different serotypes of the bacteria.

148 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:18:02pm

I'm taking my male to dinner.

Take care, lizards!

149 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:18:31pm

Hell, 30 precincts in Columbia county just reported. Tedisco now up by only 30. I seem Chicago style tactics at work.

150 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:18:34pm

re: #148 Dianna

I'm taking my male to dinner.

Take care, lizards!

Enjoy dinner!

151 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:19:09pm

re: #142 gmsc

That's the weird thing about mumps. If you get them as a kid, you don't get them as an adult, but if you get them as an adult, you don't get kids.

Ironic, isn't it?

152 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:19:23pm

re: #143 Alouette

I think beets are on the list of "dark vegetables" but you won't catch me eating them. Ick.

153 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:19:31pm

re: #132 jcm

Dark beer and and red wine too!

I could go for one of each... a case that is.

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:19:34pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Hell, 30 precincts in Columbia county just reported. Tedisco now up by only 30. I smell Chicago style tactics at work.

PIMF

155 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:19:47pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

I think beets are on the list of "dark vegetables" but you won't catch me eating them. Ick.

Don't go to Wisconsin....

156 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:35pm

One can expect this garbage coming from some illiterate in Nigeria whose local imam said vaccines are "a Western plot to make Muslims infertile or infect them with HIV".* Americans have access to more information with a mouseclick than was possible for any human just a couple decades ago and they go on, and take pride in, being dumb as doorknobs.

* [Link: news.aol.com...]

157 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:38pm

re: #144 Harry Tuttle

Eating things of all different colors seems pretty smart.

Carrots, beets, taters, spinach, bacon, cheezy poofs.

I remember back in the day when we had the four food groups instead of todays pyramid. One of my fellow classmates drew a cheesie on the dairy side for a poster class project. I did my best not to chorttle out loud.

158 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:39pm

re: #120 Racer X

During the Prague revolution of 1968, a student running away from the Soviets, went to the house of some friends and asked them, "do you think you can cache a Czech?"

159 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:44pm

I did read a real report that found a possible link between autism and no kidding pesticides in dog shampoo. This was just a correlation study so proves no causation.

160 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:49pm

re: #126 jcm

Modern society has far better infant morality rates, longetivity etc... than the 3rd world.

I'll take the risks of the better living through chemistry to the risks of living in filth any time.

I don't disagree. But flame retardants that have been shown, at low levels, to cause hermaphrodism (the term of art is "endocrine disruptor") in fish may be problematical to young kids. Hence, their banning in Europe. These substances have nothing to do with filth or infant mortality.

161 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:20:53pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

I think beets are on the list of "dark vegetables" but you won't catch me eating them. Ick.

Agreeds. Beets are one of these foods that I'm convinced are just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

162 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:08pm

Why are we always sharing emails that might then embarrass a certain poster or contributor?; especially a note that was not meant for the public. This email didn't seem particularly egregious, condescending and/or rude? Frankly, this post and thread highlighting the email seemed more of all of the above - that is egregious, condescending and rude, than the note itself.

163 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:16pm
164 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:18pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

I think beets are on the list of "dark vegetables" but you won't catch me eating them. Ick.

And actually, they are a bit fattening, since a slice of beet (like a pickled slice) has 20 calories, beet sugar does it.

I LOVE BEETS.

165 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:20pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

The only available Polio vaccines (Salk, and Sabin) were invented by doctors of the Jewish faith, in the USA. The vaccine is currently refused by.... (fill this in yourself.)
BTW, despite the Cold War, Sabin was able to arrange to use children in the USSR for the trials of his vaccine.

166 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:21pm

When in doubt, I always select the colored vegetables. Even something as simple as a purple onion on a sandwich may change the nutritional effectiveness of a vegetable. It is little known that the uniform coloration of vegetables is fairly modern. Purple, red, and yellow carrots, tomatoes, potatoes,cabbages, maize, peppers, and many other vegetables were common until the mid 1800s.

167 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:23pm

Further update: Murphy now ahead by 252 votes. Three Saratoga county precincts have yet to report.

168 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:46pm
169 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:48pm

My post from the previous thread:

re: #1118 Dar ul Harbarian

More on Vaccination

and more with audio and video links to the right

Autism's False Prophets

170 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #147 FightingBack

If the diagnosis of Mumps was correct (it can be tricky. FB can do it with an exam of the jawline, but not everyone can. The wild type disease is rare) then you are immune for life.
The Scarlet fever, however (I need a Strep culture to prove that one; but I have a good percentage of guessing right) is one that you can have repeatedly, as there are many different serotypes of the bacteria.

My son had repeated strep infections when he was little. I could always tell by the way his breath smelled. I was always right. Dr. Mom speaks. LOL

171 DistantThunder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:59pm

I thought the last line of the email was particularly condescending, my friend.

172 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:22:06pm

re: #155 Thanos

Don't go to Wisconsin....

Wisconsin is for cheese.

173 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:22:43pm

re: #147 FightingBack

Interesting.

Would you recommend the shingles vaccine? That's probably what I need.

My son did his own strep tests when he was in grade school. He was always a little... different.

174 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:01pm

re: #148 Dianna

Eat some dark vegetables!

175 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:19pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Agreeds. Beets are one of these foods that I'm convinced are just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

Don't get me started on rutabagas!

176 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #156 Basho

Whoa! I meant to say SOME Americans!

177 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Walter, do you like them pickled?

178 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:41pm

re: #162 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Why are we always sharing emails that might then embarrass a certain poster or contributor?; especially a note that was not meant for the public. This email didn't seem particularly egregious, condescending and/or rude? Frankly, this post and thread highlighting the email seemed more of all of the above - that is egregious, condescending and rude, than the note itself.

Maybe you missed this very prominent note that appears beneath the contact form that was used to send this email:

Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.

179 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:48pm

Most people received a GWB stimulus check last year...does mean we fall under PBO and Barney Frank's retroactive “Pay for Performance Act of 2009” and thus subject to salary mandates?
/

180 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:23:58pm

There is sort of a parallel in history. Superstitious people in the Middle Ages thought that cats were evil agents of the devil so the cats were killed en masse, leading to overpopulation of rodents (and their fleas) and the Bubonic Plague.

And if in the 21st century we have an epidemic because people refused to have their children vaccinated against diseases for anti-scientific (read: superstitious) reasons. history will repeat.

181 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:00pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Agreeds. Beets are one of these foods that I'm convinced are just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

Beets rule!

182 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:03pm

re: #166 pat

Have you had the orange cauliflower?

183 Truck Monkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:03pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

I'll say again that I'm not a nutritionalist, but I did decide recently to improve my diet so I have been researching various foods, and the health benefits of dark colored fruits and vegetables is hard to deny.

I have to start doing things a little differently as well but I really don't like fruits and vegetables. I am so screwed.

184 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Don't get me started on rutabagas!


Turnips...honestly, who eats them?

185 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:09pm

re: #40 Charles

Broccoli?

I have no reason to doubt that eating broccoli has probably caused cancer in at least one person of the billions who comprise the history of broccoli eating.

That of course is no reason for people not to eat broccoli, especially if they consider that the benefits so vastly outweigh the risk.

But if you happen to be the parent of that one child in a billion, or if your child happened to have died after eating broccoli, then no amount of statistical analysis or reasoning will convince you that eating broccoli is a good idea.

This fear of broccoli is not based on good science, but it is based on anecdotal evidence, and is certainly not evil.

What is evil, however, is the exploitation of the fear by those who seek to advance their own agendas or to otherwise profit from such fears.

186 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Agreeds. Beets are one of these foods that I'm convinced are just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

Cauliflower and Brussels Sprouts are also a hoax.

187 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:37pm

re: #119 Dr. Shalit

Truck Monkey -

And you expected "Money for Nothing? - Only Zits are Free."

-S-

How about
Monkey for nothing and your genes for free
for the creationist threads

188 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #177 formercorpsman

Walter, do you like them pickled?

I like almost anything pickled. Yes.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:53pm

re: #145 Bobblehead

I bet you thought you were hallucinating.

I did, a bit. I had been through almost a week of cold, and hot, and sweats, and general weakness, and suddenly, there's my mom, with Vietnamese hot and sour soup, and newspapers. When she called, though, all I remember saying is "Lewinsky. Is she Jewish?"

"What do you think?" said my sweet yiddishe mamme.

190 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:58pm

re: #170 Bobblehead

Good for you! I have surgeon friends who can diagnose infection by the smell. They confirm this by culture, too, LOL.

191 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:24:59pm

re: #153 lawhawk

I could go for one of each... a case that is.

Look for this.....
Stone Old Guardian Barley Wine.

Limited release.

192 Elcid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:00pm

re: #14 Charles

Excellent post, hawk of the law.

Sorry to hear about your ankle. I did the same thing once playing racquet ball. Hurts like a bastard.

Sure as hell does. Not as bad as an over eager ball hog team mate, on a three wall court...cut in front of my dead on shot.

Racket, meet teeth. His that is. Ever see one of those cartoons, where the teeth crumble a little bit at a time?

Exactly what happened to Norm...poor shit. I really did try not to laugh.

193 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:08pm

re: #184 VioletTiger

Turnips...honestly, who eats them?

Turnips were eaten by people who were too poor to afford potatoes.

194 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #184 VioletTiger

Turnips...honestly, who eats them?

Turnips are one of those foods that taste completely different raw than when cooked.

195 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:13pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Mmmmmm rutabagas. Steamed, then mashed with lots of butter and a spoonful of brown sugar.

/damn, hungry again and I just ate.

196 daffy duck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:21pm

re: #159 DistantThunder

I did read a real report that found a possible link between autism and no kidding pesticides in dog shampoo. This was just a correlation study so proves no causation.


If there is any causation, wouldn't there be a larger negative effect in dogs? (of some sort-not necessarily dog-equivalent autism).

197 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:35pm

re: #172 Sharmuta

Wisconsin is for cheese.

And good German food. Mader's in Milwaukee's a very good place to eat.

198 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:36pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

Agreeds. Beets are one of these foods that I'm convinced are just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

Fresh beets from the garden, seasoned and a little olive oil, in foil and roasted at 350 for a good 45 mins.

Nothing better.

You must be getting canned beets.

199 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:42pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

I like almost anything pickled. Yes.

Pigs feet?
Eggs?

200 Emerald  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:45pm

In general, the problem with conspiracies is they appeal to kooks who think they are smarter than everyone else. Hey, it's how they figured out the truth while most people are too dumb! // rolls eyes

With vaccines, it's more complicated since children are such an emotional issue. Fear, anger, suffering - it all clouds judgment.

The guy who started this craze? Proven liar. His evidence? Proven falsified. The medical journal that published his paper? Admitted they made a terrible mistake. Supporting evidence to the claims? Not a single one.

But people want to cling to the idea, maybe because it's easier on them to blame their childrens' illnesses on someone or something. No proof, no common sense, no reality is going to change their minds as long as they as want to believe.

201 rumcrook  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:48pm

re: #8 FightingBack

my knowledge base is like a wheel base, I could flip over at high speeds./

202 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:25:54pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

I like almost anything pickled. Yes.

Then I'm baffled by your ongoing objections to Ted Kennedy.

203 Truck Monkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Further update: Murphy now ahead by 252 votes. Three Saratoga county precincts have yet to report.

So its close enough to steal?

204 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Don't get me started on rutabagas!

But, yum, real Welsh Pasties....(no puns, please, OR, too easy)

205 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:30pm

You people don't know what you're missing with the root vegetables. Can't do a good stew without 'em.

You can throw those beets out the f*ckin' window, though.

206 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:36pm

re: #182 J.D.

Have you had the orange cauliflower?

Is that anything like the brown acid, 'cause I heard it's a bad batch.

207 WhiteRasta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:41pm

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

208 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:44pm

re: #202 Occasional Reader

Then I'm baffled by your ongoing objections to Ted Kennedy.

At least he washed up........

209 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:46pm

re: #185 Spare O'Lake

This fear of broccoli is not based on good science, but it is based on anecdotal evidence, and is certainly not evil.

There's a fear of broccoli?

Color me amazed.

210 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:26:54pm

re: #193 Alouette

Turnips were eaten by people who were too poor to afford potatoes.

Now that's poor.

211 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:01pm

re: #184 VioletTiger

*slowly raises hand, looks around, slowly lowers hand*

212 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:01pm

re: #173 J.D.

Interesting.

Would you recommend the shingles vaccine? That's probably what I need.

My son did his own strep tests when he was in grade school. He was always a little... different.

* * * *
Shingles is horrible. Old people who come down with shingles often want to die because the pain is so unbearable. If you get lesions on your head, near your optical nerve, you can go blind.

It is important to get diagnosed & get on antiretroviral drugs--yes the drugs used in AIDS treatment--to counter the crazy virus.

213 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:04pm

re: #183 Truck Monkey

I have to start doing things a little differently as well but I really don't like fruits and vegetables. I am so screwed.

It's not so hard to add a salad to dinner, or some fruit on your cereal. Not that I didn't do these things before, but I've kicked it up a notch, and I'm enjoying it.

214 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:07pm

re: #193 Alouette

Turnips were eaten by people who were too poor to afford potatoes.

I don't think they are very cheap now, though, right?

215 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:10pm

Beets are just about my favorite vegetable, but only if they are served cold. When they are cooked or even just warm they are pretty gross.

216 mattm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:16pm

Using the logic these nut cases use their is a link between eating insert your favorite food and death. Everyone who has eaten their favorite food has died. Sure some kids who got the vaccine have autism, but that does not mean the vaccination caused it. Their is no proof.

217 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:32pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

As a kid, I would not touch beets.

My wife finally wore me down, and I have acquired a taste for this stuff.

I live by many Amish farms in my local, and man, there is one that makes their own pickled beets with hard boiled eggs. The stuff is to die for.

They also pickle the baby corns, etc.

Awesome stuff.

218 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:43pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

Squirrel brains I call em. Yeechhhs.

219 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:27:49pm

Oh crap...Panda Piss is #1 Beer.

Is there no end to this madness?

220 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:03pm

re: #211 BlueCanuck

*slowly raises hand, looks around, slowly lowers hand*

You must submit a recipe for the next cookbook. I wouldn't know what to do with one.

221 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:11pm

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

222 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:21pm

I ♥ broccoli!

223 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:23pm

re: #209 Charles

There's a fear of broccoli?

Color me amazed.

Lima beans. Inherent fear.

224 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:27pm

I don't care for cooked broccoli, but a fat broccoli stem skinned down to the cream colored core goes real nice when sliced thin in a salad.

225 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #62 jcm

Cause, is a strong word.
If MMR caused autism you'd see more cases among vaccinated children.

Is it a contributor to autism?
The studies indicate not. Also from Charles's link above, The risk of autism in the group of vaccinated children was the same as that in unvaccinated children.

The fact there are case of autism without MMR is a strong indicator that excludes MMR from being a contributor to autism.

Perhaps than the MMR dose should be adapted after a test is taken to see if that child has a reaction to it....this "one size fits all" dose may be the problem here.

A regular dose may be fine for most kids, but poison for others.

226 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:47pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

Damn fine question!

227 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:53pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

Brussel sprouts are the vegetable of satan!

/and ketchup is the condiment of the devil!
//there, I feel better for some reason.....

228 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:55pm

re: #190 FightingBack

Pseudomonas has a very distinct odor.

229 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:55pm

A Mason jar of pickled beets, onions and eggs is heaven on earth!

230 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:28:59pm

Gimme the beet borscht
And free my soul
I wanna get lost in a nice big bowl
And drift away...

231 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:12pm

I am having broccoli for dinner. With Mayo. Steamed.

232 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

Fresh from the garden, before they get big, old and bitter (like me), lightly steam with a little butter (none of that fake stuff, real butter).

YUM!

233 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:13pm

re: #206 Guanxi88

Is that anything like the brown acid, 'cause I heard it's a bad batch.

No! lol
It's been genetically altered to have beta carotene in it.

I'm not a fan of cauliflower myself, but I love broccoli.

234 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #199 J.D.

Pigs feet?
Eggs?

Yes.

235 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

When World Net Daily picks it up as "news" the 2nd.

236 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

Further update: Murphy now ahead by 252 votes. Three Saratoga county precincts have yet to report.

* * * *
This is awful news. It would be great to have a Republican win to start the Reconquista of New York by non-Obamabots or Cuomothugs.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #193 Alouette

Turnips were eaten by people who were too poor to afford potatoes.

Pickled turnips. Mashed turnips. Turnips in borscht. I love turnips.

Also parsnips.

I love root vegetables in general.

238 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:19pm

Flourididation of water has been responsible for the decline of America.

Sure, we have sparkling white teeth, but after flouridation, America had all the drugs and rock-and-roll of the sixties. It has been downhill since.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

/

239 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:38pm

How do you know that excessive typing doesn't cause halitosis? How could you be so ignorant?

240 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:40pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

You'll stop posting for one day. Ha ha... (just a joke) :)

241 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #185 Spare O'Lake

I have no reason to doubt that eating broccoli has probably caused cancer in at least one person of the billions who comprise the history of broccoli eating.

That of course is no reason for people not to eat broccoli, especially if they consider that the benefits so vastly outweigh the risk.

But if you happen to be the parent of that one child in a billion, or if your child happened to have died after eating broccoli, then no amount of statistical analysis or reasoning will convince you that eating broccoli is a good idea.

This fear of broccoli is not based on good science, but it is based on anecdotal evidence, and is certainly not evil.

What is evil, however, is the exploitation of the fear by those who seek to advance their own agendas or to otherwise profit from such fears.

Fear was started by Young Earth Broccoli Creationist!

242 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:29:52pm

re: #173 J.D.

Interesting.

Would you recommend the shingles vaccine? That's probably what I need.

My son did his own strep tests when he was in grade school. He was always a little... different.

I recommend that you ask your doctor about the Shingles (Zoster) vaccine.
I wish my patients would do their own strep tests, LOL. I lose money on mine...

243 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:08pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Measles at 24. It was pure misery. Took a week before the spots started. Took three after that before I left my house.

Somewhere in the middle of all this, my mother called me up to say that she was coming by my place with soup, and that the president had been having an affair with some young woman named Lewinsky.

It was a very strange time.

That reminds me of my all time favorite Jewish mother joke...

Dan, had long ago come out of the closet. He called up his mother one day with some news.

"Mom, you won't believe the news I have!"

"Really, what's that?" asked his mother.

"Well, mom, I know that you have never been really comfortable with me being gay..."

His mother stopped him. "Daniel, you are my son and I love you. I made my peace with that a long time ago."

"Mom, you're the best, but, I need to tell you that I've met an amazing woman. I don't want to be gay anymore!"

"Oh, my God!" said his mother. She sat down and asked...

"Dare I hope, Is she Jewish?"

"Yes mom she is."

"Oh my God! Tell me about her! What's her name? What's her family like?"

"Well mom her name is Monica. Her mother is an author and her father's an oncologist."

"Oh wow! What's her last name?"

"Lewinsky"

"WHAT what what? Monica Lewinsky? Not THAT Monica Lewinsky?"

"Yes, mom, but she's a really great girl. You just need to hear it from her side. Mom."

"Mom?"

Finally, she answered, "What ever happened to that nice Asian boy you were dating?"

244 WhiteRasta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:09pm

re: #218 Harry Tuttle

If I told you what I called them, Charles would ban me......

245 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:10pm

re: #184 VioletTiger

Turnips...honestly, who eats them?

Violet Tiger -

Folks that are out of POTATOES. That is all.

-S-

246 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:19pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

Gimme the beet borscht
And free my soul
I wanna get lost in a nice big bowl
And drift away...


LOL!

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:23pm

re: #198 Harry Tuttle

Fresh beets from the garden, seasoned and a little olive oil, in foil and roasted at 350 for a good 45 mins.

Nothing better.

You must be getting canned beets.

Roasted carrots are awesome.

248 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:33pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

* * * *
Wrong oh Wrasta man. Try them cooked with butter & a splash of balsamic vinaigrette.

249 mattm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:41pm

OT

NY 20

Dem leads by 80 votes, not counting absentee, 95%+ reporting....

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

250 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:52pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

Beets rule!

What did the carrot say to the wheat?
Lettuce rest, I'm feeling beet.
- Shel Silverstein

251 Truck Monkey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:52pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

There isn't anything they could come up with tomorrow (The Administration) that would be worse than what he's already done! The art of a good April fools joke will be lost on me tomorrow.

252 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:30:57pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

OT How are we going to be able to distinguish the April Fools stories from the usual bullshit floating around these days?

You didn't hear? Obama is planning to ban April Fool's Day, out of a concern that it's not compliant with sharia law!

253 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:00pm

re: #219 jorline

I'm doing my part to keep Budweiser #1. All y'all can go on about your favorite tasty obscure hoity toity microbrew. I'm down with the Joe Sixpack MacroBrew.

254 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #238 Dar ul Harbarian

Flourididation of water has been responsible for the decline of America.

Sure, we have sparkling white teeth, but after flouridation, America had all the drugs and rock-and-roll of the sixties. It has been downhill since.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

/

Flouridaded ice cream. Childrens ice cream Mandrake!

Saps you bodily fluids.

POE.

255 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:14pm

re: #208 jcm

At least he washed up........

Oooooo

256 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:20pm

re: #238 Dar ul Harbarian

Flourididation of water has been responsible for the decline of America.

/

Look for that to make a big comeback someday soon. These movements never die.

257 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:27pm

Other veggies I like:

Chips and salsa
potato chips
bacon rinds

/wait....

258 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #236 alegrias

* * * *
This is awful news. It would be great to have a Republican win to start the Reconquista of New York by non-Obamabots or Cuomothugs.

The good news is that the absentee ballots, which I think haven't been counted yet, tend to break Republican.

The bad news is that, if the race remains even close, the Dems can just recount and recount and recount until they like the results more, then stop and call it a victory.

259 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:33pm

re: #254 Harry Tuttle

Flouridaded ice cream. Childrens ice cream Mandrake!

Saps you bodily fluids.

POE.

Yes, I realized this during the physical act of love.

260 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:33pm

bbl

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:34pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

I love that taste. With garlic aioli.

262 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #199 J.D.

Pigs feet?
Eggs?

My grandfather would make pickled pigs feet. I don't know why, but I ate them when I was a kid. Seemed like the thing to do at the time. Don't think I would do it today, though

263 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:31:51pm

re: #240 Walter L. Newton

Lol

264 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:02pm

My mother's menu consisted of two choices:
Take it or leave it.
- Buddy Hackett

265 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:16pm

re: #212 alegrias

Well, that does it. I'm getting the vaccination.

266 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:18pm
267 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:18pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

Chopped, in white bean soup.

mmmmm.

268 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:22pm

re: #207 WhiteRasta

Man, I just despise Brussels Sprouts. Taste like crap, no matter what you dress them up in.....

I bet you never tried them with Miracle Whip... hmmmmm.

269 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Roasted carrots are awesome.

SF Zionist -

YES! Even better when roasted in aluminum foil with potatoes, onions and "burger meat" of one's choice.

-S-

270 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:02pm

re: #203 Truck Monkey

So its close enough to steal?

Yes. The good news is that two more Saratoga precincts have reported and cut Murphy's lead to 81. I'd say we're headed for a recount however the last precincts turns out.

271 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:07pm

Call your congrespeoples and demand that they remove chlorination from your drinking water! Demand that all chemical disinfectants be removed from the water supply!

Clean water kills!

//

272 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:11pm

re: #220 VioletTiger

You must submit a recipe for the next cookbook. I wouldn't know what to do with one.

Well, the thing about turnips is this: there's really no wrong way to cook them. For me? Peeled, boiled, and mashed, little salt, maybe some garlic, and you're eating like a king, or at least a lucky peasant.

273 WhiteRasta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:19pm

re: #248 alegrias

I will try that! Sounds great!

I will try anything, except homosexuality and prison......

274 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:35pm

re: #224 Thanos

I don't care for cooked broccoli, but a fat broccoli stem skinned down to the cream colored core goes real nice when sliced thin in a salad.

Steam it, or stir fry it in a little oil, NOT boiled, bury it in cheese sauce or teriyaki sauce or any kind of Chinese sauce, serve it over rice, and it's pretty good actually. When it's overcooked it gets gross. And the tops, NOT the stems.

And it is good for you, calcium and sulfur compounds, not to mention fiber.

Of course Bush41 famously disliked it.

And most young kids seem to instinctively dislike it.

275 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:43pm

re: #215 Mich-again

Beets are just about my favorite vegetable, but only if they are served cold. When they are cooked or even just warm they are pretty gross.

I could not get my kids to eat broccoli, cauliflower, and other of those type of vegetables, until I read an article that suggested serving them raw, with a dip. My kids loved them raw! I think it's the strong smell they give off from cooking that makes people think these veggies are gross.

276 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:33:45pm

re: #231 pat

I am having broccoli for dinner. With Mayo. Steamed.

You really should make your own home made mayo. It's really quick and much healthier for you. Make it with olive oil and a little mustard powder. Curry powder and wasabi also work well.

277 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:06pm

re: #209 Charles

There's a fear of broccoli?

Color me amazed.

You have obviously never spent a night in a broccoli patch.

278 J.D.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:19pm

bbl

279 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:22pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Yes. The good news is that two more Saratoga precincts have reported and cut Murphy's lead to 81. I'd say we're headed for a recount however the last precincts turns out.

Recount = Democrat Win.

Democrats are simply far superior to Republicans in creative counting skills.

280 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:31pm

I don't shun women Mandrake.
I just deny them my essence

281 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:41pm

re: #259 Dar ul Harbarian

Yes, I realized this during the physical act of love.

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

282 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:47pm

Carrot Juice is Murder

283 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:50pm

Botanists have developed a vegetable that eliminates
the need to brush your teeth.
Bristle sprouts.

284 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:34:58pm

re: #238 Dar ul Harbarian

Flourididation of water has been responsible for the decline of America.

Sure, we have sparkling white teeth, but after flouridation, America had all the drugs and rock-and-roll of the sixties. It has been downhill since.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

/

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

285 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:01pm

See you all lizards. My Lizard queen is demanding me! Have a great night!

286 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:10pm

re: #277 Spare O'Lake

You have obviously never spent a night in a broccoli patch.

The trees! THE TREES!

/Or tree-shaped vegetables, anyway

287 Mirage  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:15pm

Food related somewhat . . . I saw a video of a guy playing a stalk of broccoli like a flute. It was rather amazing; new meaning to playing with your food.

288 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:17pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Alton Brown: Mayo Clinic

289 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:24pm

re: #190 FightingBack

Good for you! I have surgeon friends who can diagnose infection by the smell. They confirm this by culture, too, LOL.

He'd say, "Mommy my throat is scritchy". I'd check the throat with a flashlight, do the sniff test and off to the pediatrician's office we would go.

290 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:37pm

re: #249 mattm

OT

NY 20

Dem leads by 80 votes, not counting absentee, 95%+ reporting....

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

* * * *
Nooooooooooooooo!

291 WhiteRasta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:45pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Sounds fabulous! Gotta try that. Mmmmmm just love curry.

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #269 Dr. Shalit

SF Zionist -

YES! Even better when roasted in aluminum foil with potatoes, onions and "burger meat" of one's choice.

-S-

Mmmmm. That sounds like dinner!

293 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:54pm

re: #272 Guanxi88

Well, the thing about turnips is this: there's really no wrong way to cook them. For me? Peeled, boiled, and mashed, little salt, maybe some garlic, and you're eating like a king, or at least a lucky peasant.

Beets and turnips, peasant food, but wonderful stuff. I had some traditional borsch (beet root soup) in Tykocin Poland (northeast poland), a little town with only one cafe. I wanted to take a gallon home with me.

I have heard that there is Polish borsch available in a can, but no stores I can find in the Denver area has any.

I can't even find beet roots.

294 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:58pm

re: #281 Harry Tuttle

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

Boy we kinda need a Jack D. Ripper around today...

295 Steve Rogers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:35:58pm

When the Republican Party finally starts to embrace science here in the 21st Century, and lets it be known that anti-science nutjobs, from "creationists" to the anti-vaccine loons are not what the Republican Party is about, they will once again become a party that can take on the Democrats and restore some liberty and sanity to our political process.

Until that point in time, elections are basically just a choice between the nuts and the flakes.

296 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #233 J.D.

No! lol
It's been genetically altered to have beta carotene in it.

I'm not a fan of cauliflower myself, but I love broccoli.

Ah, like the golden rice, also genetically engineered to enhance the vitamin content? Great stuff, science.

297 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #286 gmsc

The trees! THE TREES!

/Or tree-shaped vegetables, anyway

Hmm, could be related to a psychological trauma experienced while watching the Wizard of Oz as a child.

//

298 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:36:40pm

re: #289 Bobblehead

I don't have any great patients like that! Most of them call me in the middle of the night...

299 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:36:53pm

A Veggie New Age Song:

Peas would rule the planets,
and love would clear the bars.
It was the dawning of the Age of Asparagus.

300 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:37:30pm

re: #279 Last Mohican

Recount = Democrat Win.

Democrats are simply far superior to Republicans in creative counting skills.

The answer to that is to accuse the Dems of fraud early and put them on the defensive. Anti-Alinsky Rule #1: Ruthless Aggression. Don't treat the other side with respect, hammer them early and often. Document the their fraud and shout the edvidence you've collected from the rooftops.

301 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:37:32pm

re: #281 Harry Tuttle

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

Ack! GMTA. IMDB is da bomb.

302 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:37:33pm

re: #264 Dustyvet

My mother's menu consisted of two choices:
Take it or leave it.
- Buddy Hackett

Sounds like my mom.

303 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:37:57pm

re: #299 Dustyvet

A Veggie New Age Song:

Peas would rule the planets,
and love would clear the bars.
It was the dawning of the Age of Asparagus.

So, all you are saying is give peas a chance?

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:01pm

re: #273 WhiteRasta

I will try that! Sounds great!

I will try anything, except homosexuality and prison......

OK, I will throw out to the lizards something that is driving me nuts. There's a movie I saw a fragment of once, where some teenage boys are talking, and one of them says there's only two reasons for gay sex--if you're in prison, or in space.

"Space?" say the other guys, confused, and he starts rambling about how you, like, float into each other in zero gravity, man, and it just, like happens.

What is that movie? No one seems to know.

305 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:04pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

I see you have the same youtube user suscribed too. :)

/shame he hasn't posted anything for months.

306 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:21pm

re: #264 Dustyvet

My mother's menu consisted of two choices:
Take it or leave it.
- Buddy Hackett

That's my house.

307 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:34pm

re: #291 WhiteRasta

It's very fantastic. Watch the link at 288 and you'll never buy mayo again.

308 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:41pm

re: #178 Charles

Charles, posting a note like that for the lead of this thread suggests you may be somewhat too sensitive to disagreement. The letter published above was tame. If there was a note or tone that appeared to you too harsh, could you not hear yourself, at times, represented in it? That is to say ardent disagreement that did not require some attendant humiliation? You disagree with many people. It is your vocation. Should they disrespect your disagreement and answer with condescension? Would that not anger you further? Moreover, I’m a bit uncomfortable with how quickly and often forcefully you reply to the littlest jest and joust. I admire your attention to your site. It is yours and carries your name. But, to be honest, there are times I'm genuinely uncomfortable knowing you have my IP address. Like this very moment as I post this. This should not be a sentiment you should hope to cultivate.

309 Elcid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:50pm
310 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:38:53pm

re: #303 gmsc

So, all you are saying is give peas a chance?

The best way to get peas is with a knife.

311 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:07pm

re: #301 austin_blue

IMDB is da bomb.

YEEEE-HOOOOO!

312 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:24pm

they should arrest Jenny Macarthy for every case of varicalla associated pneumonia or sepsis, or measles pneumonia, or H. flu meningitis or epiglottitis or polio or......on and on and on.

she and the other anti immunization criminals are co-conspirators in each and every preventable childhood death

313 jamgarr  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:43pm

It's Charles' sandbox

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:49pm

re: #274 itellu3times

Steam it, or stir fry it in a little oil, NOT boiled, bury it in cheese sauce or teriyaki sauce or any kind of Chinese sauce, serve it over rice, and it's pretty good actually. When it's overcooked it gets gross. And the tops, NOT the stems.

And it is good for you, calcium and sulfur compounds, not to mention fiber.

Of course Bush41 famously disliked it.

And most young kids seem to instinctively dislike it.

To some people cruciferous (sp? voc?) veggies apparently taste much more bitter than they do to the rest of us. Kids may notice it more as well.

I love bitter foods, which is probably not a great evolutionary adaptation, but what the heck, I have a supermarket to taste-test for me.

315 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:51pm

re: #309 Elcid

Cruciferous Vegetables

Is crucifying them a bit extreme?

/// ;-P

316 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #310 Basho

The best way to get peas is with a knife.

Or you can just pay the clerk at the counter. No point in pulling a heist for a lousy can of peas.

317 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:39:57pm

Speaking of Flouridation, the Tooth Fairy has drafted me into service.

Nite.

318 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:23pm

re: #231 pat

I am having broccoli for dinner. With Mayo. Steamed.

'Ever mix a little shoyu into the mayo? Ono, you know.

319 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:34pm

re: #291 WhiteRasta

Sounds fabulous! Gotta try that. Mmmmmm just love curry.

* * *
Goat curry. MMMM

320 theblakester  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:39pm

Maybe a little off topic, but the Drudge has the New York congressional race down to the wire and having to rely on absentee ballot. Reminds me of the Minnesota race with Franken. I don't have anymore faith in our electoral system when it comes down to absentees. The Democrats always seem to win since Bush last stole the election in their eyes. But does anyone know the latest with the Franken mess in Minnesota?

321 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:39pm

re: #305 BlueCanuck

I love that they allow those Good Eats episodes to be posted on the internet. I rewatch them all the time.

322 phillygirl  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:46pm

Even though there is no concrete evidence to prove that injecting multiple vaccines (at once) causes autism, it makes sense to be cautious. My daughter and son-in-law argued with their pediatrician and were able to space out the shots for my new grandson. They want him to have all the shots, but just not all at once. Autism is such a sad condition - so I don't think it is unreasonable to space out the shots over the first year. If it makes the parents feel more at ease, then why not?

323 Elcid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:47pm

re: #315 jcm

LOL...Yep, sure is.

324 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:40:57pm

re: #315 jcm

Is crucifying them a bit extreme?

/// ;-P

WE WANT BANANAS
GIVE US BANANAS

325 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:41:19pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

The letter published above was tame insane.

fixed

326 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:41:29pm

re: #298 FightingBack

I don't have any great patients like that! Most of them call me in the middle of the night...

I knew his doctor's phone # by heart, having dialed it so many times.

327 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:41:56pm

re: #324 Occasional Reader

WE WANT BANANAS
GIVE US BANANAS

Yes! We Have No Bananas

328 Emerald  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:42:15pm

re: #222 Sharmuta

I ♥ broccoli!

I ♥ everything in the cole family. I've already planted Brussels sprouts, broccoli, Chinese cabbage and kale in the garden, along with potatoes, peas, onions and salad greens. The kohlrabi and chard will go out soon, along with the carrots. Now if the rabbits just leave some of it for me.

329 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:42:28pm

Speaking of vegetables, more signs that Geithner is one.

Treasury's Very Private Asset Fund
Why write the rules to favor only a handful of bidders?

330 CharlieBravo  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:42:30pm

Bad side effects are a fact of life when dealing with anything medical, including vaccines. A flu shot makes me ill weeks and leaves me with the sniffles for months.

331 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:42:40pm

i'm counting down to Eric Cartman's Conscience's demise on LGF ... 43

332 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:42:41pm

Seatbelts cause chest wall bruising in high speed crashes

BAN SEATBELTS!

333 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:17pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

What a load of crap.

334 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #332 Shug

Seatbelts cause chest wall bruising in high speed crashes

BAN SEATBELTS!

Seat belts trap you in case of fire!

335 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:34pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

I stop by there from time to time to snag recipes to impress a girl. :)

/helps that I know how to cook as well.

336 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:36pm

re: #238 Dar ul Harbarian

We have a water purification system here for the whole house. The city water supply goes through a water softener then through an activated charcoal vessel. It filters out the chlorine. Not sure about the fluoride, but I do know the kids' teeth are just fine so I'm not worried about that.

We did that because when our youngest was about 2 we finally figured out that her skin problems were directly related to exposure to chlorine. As soon as we installed the purification system, the skin problems went away for good.

Chlorine is poison. Thats why it works. No one should drink it or bathe in it. It does a valuable service keeping the water free of diseases on the way to your house, but once that is accomplished, I say get rid of it.

337 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:36pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

I love that they allow those Good Eats episodes to be posted on the internet. I rewatch them all the time.

I love Alton Brown. The science of cooking.

338 carefulnow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:37pm

A widdle knowedge is a dangewous thing.

339 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:47pm

Vaccines cause disease by people not using them!

340 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:43:49pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

But, to be honest, there are times I'm genuinely uncomfortable knowing you have my IP address. Like this very moment as I post this.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. I have operatives stationed outside your apartment right now, ready to do my bidding if I give the word.

Good grief.

If you're so afraid, I'll be happy to delete your account.

341 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:14pm

Last update has Murphy leading Tedisco by 80 votes. Won't know the outcome to this until 6000 or so absentee votes are counted.

342 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:16pm

Cartman, I don't want to speak for Charles here, but I see it as an attempt at humor. The letter has the link between dark colored veggies and cancer exactly backwards, thus displaying the ignorance of some who are protesting his choice of material.

343 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:34pm
344 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:36pm

re: #319 alegrias

* * *
Goat curry. MMMM

First time I ever ate goat was in a curry. Co-Worker was a Pak married to a Jamaican; secular, obviously, this guy. Anyway, he knows I digs the curries special, so he brings over this giant thermos-type soup kettle full of curry and rice.

Lemme tell you - all this "fusion" cuisine of the last decade was a bunch bunk - don't bother mixing French and Vietnamese cuisine, or hawaiian and german, or whatever the hell these power-mad chefs were trying to do - take a dish, appreciated and enjoyed by separate culinary traditions, and combine them, as happened in this case.

That freakin' curry was so good I could see through time; it was like the last 20 or so minutes of Kubrick's 2001; this dish slipped the surly bonds of earth and touched the face of G-d. It was that good!

345 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:41pm

re: #318 IslandLibertarian

Mo betta.

346 angst  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #332 Shug

Seatbelts cause chest wall bruising in high speed crashes

BAN SEATBELTS!

Well, really, there's more justification for banning airbags than not giving vaccines. Not that I would ban either!

347 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:45:15pm

re: #295 Steve Rogers

When the Republican Party finally starts to embrace science here in the 21st Century, and lets it be known that anti-science nutjobs, from "creationists" to the anti-vaccine loons are not what the Republican Party is about, they will once again become a party that can take on the Democrats and restore some liberty and sanity to our political process.

Until that point in time, elections are basically just a choice between the nuts and the flakes.

* * *
Why are you fragging the party that had the balls to withstand Democrat "progressives" enough to administer penicillin (i.e., SURGE combat troops) to fight medieval nutjobs in Afghanistan and Iraq?

You really think the party of defeat & curling up into a ball asking for Marx (aka Mommy or Daddy) to bail them out and tell them how to live, is the leading edge of politics? Or something to aspire to?

348 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:45:18pm

re: #331 noshariaincanada

i'm counting down to Eric Cartman's Conscience's demise on LGF ... 43

That shouldn't be something to be strived for, proud of, or looked forward to. But it is an accurate statement.

349 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:45:24pm

re: #328 Emerald

I ♥ everything in the cole family. I've already planted Brussels sprouts, broccoli, Chinese cabbage and kale in the garden, along with potatoes, peas, onions and salad greens. The kohlrabi and chard will go out soon, along with the carrots. Now if the rabbits just leave some of it for me.

Me too. Love the purple, green and orange cauliflower. So pretty when cooked.

350 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:45:31pm

re: #312 Shug

they should arrest Jenny Macarthy for every case of varicalla associated pneumonia or sepsis, or measles pneumonia, or H. flu meningitis or epiglottitis or polio or......on and on and on.

she and the other anti immunization criminals are co-conspirators in each and every preventable childhood death

No she has the right to say what she says. The answer to stupid and wrong speech is smart and right speech. It is for that reason that I applaud Amanda Peet for standing up to Jenny McCarthy and continuing her vacination advocacy. Ms Peet, This one is for you:

351 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:45:52pm

re: #345 BigPapa

Mo betta.

broke da mouth........

352 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:46:01pm

re: #336 Mich-again

That's interesting. There is some evidence that bathing in dilute chlorine bleach is a way to control MERSA, a very serious resistant skin infection.

353 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #327 jcm

Yes! We Have No Bananas

[Video]

If you won't take no for an answer....
30,000 pounds of bananas....

354 landivar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:46:40pm

It seems the strongest evidence for something causing autism is the vitamin D defficiency based one.

355 CynicalConservative  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:46:43pm

re: #348 Eric Cartman's Conscience

That shouldn't be something to be strived for, proud of, or looked forward to. But it is an accurate statement.

If you're worried about IP tracking, the only course of action is to turn your computer off and leave it that way.

356 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:47:02pm

re: #352 FightingBack

That's interesting. There is some evidence that bathing in dilute chlorine bleach is a way to control MERSA, a very serious resistant skin infection.

Better would be to hose down the floor, walls, ceiling, air vents, personnel, and equipment at the hospital, with dilute chlorine bleach, but I guess we just don't have the time.

357 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:47:04pm
358 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:47:13pm

re: #348 Eric Cartman's Conscience

look, I've been where you are before.

Free speech is not what we come for here. Camaraderie, yes.

359 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:47:42pm

re: #311 Occasional Reader

YEEEE-HOOOOO!

One of the two seminal Slim Pickens roles, the other being Blazing Saddles: "Aw, goddamit, someone's going to have to ride back and get a shitload of dimes!"

360 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:47:50pm

re: #341 irongrampa

Last update has Murphy leading Tedisco by 80 votes. Won't know the outcome to this until 6000 or so absentee votes are counted.

* * * *
Thank you for voting today, Irongrampa. Wish more like you had done so!

361 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:48:21pm

re: #354 landivar

It seems the strongest evidence for something causing autism is the vitamin D defficiency based one.

Really? I haven't really followed discussions of autism much recently (until this thread), but have been increasingly interested in vitamin D issues. Huh.

Simply a shortage in the diet, and a lack of sun exposure, or something
else?

362 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:48:32pm

re: #351 IslandLibertarian

i et choke broccoli wit peanut butta an sesame oil....broke da mout braddah!

363 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:48:37pm

re: #332 Shug

Actually, an interesting side note. A couple of years ago, I was at an orthopaedic trauma symposium.

Essentially, Shock Trauma in Baltimore is the authority for all things trauma.

With the increase of airbags, we have a definite correlation between saving lives from vital organ injury, but a major increase in lower extremity trauma, now absorbing the energy in those accidents.

I know, you really needed to know that. But your post made me think of that.

364 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:49:16pm

re: #332 Shug

Seatbelts cause chest wall bruising in high speed crashes

BAN SEATBELTS!

My first reaction when I glanced at your comment was to think Sansabelt? How did this thread turn into a conversation about polyester slacks? LOL

365 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:49:47pm

re: #363 formercorpsman

Actually, an interesting side note. A couple of years ago, I was at an orthopaedic trauma symposium.

Essentially, Shock Trauma in Baltimore is the authority for all things trauma.

With the increase of airbags, we have a definite correlation between saving lives from vital organ injury, but a major increase in lower extremity trauma, now absorbing the energy in those accidents.

I know, you really needed to know that. But your post made me think of that.

But for those wearing seat belts, is there anything for the airbag to do?

366 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:17pm

I think there is a very strong correlation between 9-11 truthers, nirthers and vaccine-autism linkers

367 bushleague  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:24pm

From Charles' link:
"Unfortunately, for current and future parents of children with autism, the controversy surrounding vaccines has caused attention and resources to focus away from a number of promising leads."

As the parent of an autistic child, this is what frustrates me the most. Wakefield should be jailed for perpetrating this fraud. The fight for resources that families with autistic children have is staggering. People lose homes and families are torn apart chasing false hopes propagated by those who prey on the need for hope or, failing that, the need to find someone to blame.

368 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #352 FightingBack

That's interesting. There is some evidence that bathing in dilute chlorine bleach is a way to control MERSA, a very serious resistant skin infection.

My wife and I do foster care. We often get kids with colonized MERSA, not active but present. In every case strict hygiene, frequently laundering, and strict house keeping has in 6 months cleared it up.

It's a pain to keep things that clean but it works.

369 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:32pm

I am firmly in the camp of modern medicine. Otherwise I would not be here to bitch about it. ;)

370 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:36pm

People afraid of the side-effects of living in medically advanced societies should move elsewhere. I'm sure in Somalia no one would have to face a vaccine shot. No guarantees about anything else though...

371 Elcid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:50:55pm

Iron Fist

Attending the K'ville Tea Party at World's Fair Park April 15? I'm seriously considering going, even though I get spun when going through K'ville.

Probably be enough officers of the law on hand to direct me.

372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:51:20pm

re: #360 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for voting today, Irongrampa. Wish more like you had done so!

Final Saratoga County precinct has reported: Murphy leads by 65. Its going to come down to the absentee ballots, and even then there'll be a recount.

373 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:51:30pm

Good night.

374 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #365 itellu3times

Of course. It is all about dispersing the energy of the impact. The seat belt keeps you in the zone where you are safest upon impact.

375 CharlieBravo  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:51:49pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

"I'm genuinely uncomfortable knowing you have my IP address."

So... subscribe to an 'anonymous IP scrambler' or something.

376 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:52:16pm

re: #356 itellu3times

It's often community acquired. Mixing two capfuls of Chlorine bleach in six inches of bath water and washing twice a week, will help reduce colonization with the Staph bacteria. (These washes should only be used if advised by a physician.)

377 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:52:28pm

New at zomblog:

“It’s the Jews, Stupid.”

One of the most notorious regulars at Bay Area left-wing protests is a guy whom I refer to as “Mr. Binder Clips,” in reference to the clips he inevitably uses to hold his sign together. He usually displays a sign which says “SMASH THE JEWISH STATE” (here he is in 2004 and again in 2009, for example), though he sometimes branches out to other anti-Jewish messages.

Well, at the recent ANSWER-sponsored protest on March 21st in San Francisco, he decided to add an extra little sentence to his sign, in case anyone had any doubts as to his true feelings; he was captured in action by zomblog contributor “SaraRose”:

“It’s the Jews, Stupid.”

378 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:52:34pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

No she has the right to say what she says. The answer to stupid and wrong speech is smart and right speech. It is for that reason that I applaud Amanda Peet for standing up to Jenny McCarthy and continuing her vacination advocacy. Ms Peet, This one is for you:

you cannot shout fire in a crowded theatre.
you cannot shout autism to a bunch of parents who have innocent children.

what Jenny mccarthy and her ill informed ilk are doing is no different than going round the country advocating that parents do not use car seats or smoke detectors

379 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:52:46pm

re: #366 Shug

I think there is a very strong correlation between 9-11 truthers, nirthers and vaccine-autism linkers


I was thinking the same thing. It must be a similar thought pattern. Hope it's not contagious.

380 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:53:04pm

re: #358 noshariaincanada

look, I've been where you are before.

Free speech is not what we come for here. Camaraderie, yes.

Speak for yourself.
I'm here for grief.

381 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:53:16pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Final Saratoga County precinct has reported: Murphy leads by 65. Its going to come down to the absentee ballots, and even then there'll be a recount.

* * *
Thanks, Dark Falcon. Darn it. Wish more people had gotten out to compete against the ACORNistas and Unionistas Obama deployed to New York today.

Couldn't more NY folks have met to tea party at the polls, and do something useful?

382 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:53:35pm

re: #375 CharlieBravo

"I'm genuinely uncomfortable knowing you have my IP address."

So... subscribe to an 'anonymous IP scrambler' or something.

As if anyone here cares what his IP address is. Please!

383 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #348 Eric Cartman's Conscience

This is utter garbage, what you're spewing tonight. Disagreement is allowed on this site, the line is drawn at outright insults and disrespect. When a blogger doesn't stand up to insults, what you get is what we see at HotAir with Allahpundit.

384 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #354 landivar

It seems the strongest evidence for something causing autism is the vitamin D defficiency based one.

Ha. I did not know that. We take zinc and vitamin D supplements here for the immune system boost. All I know is your supposed to get vitamin D from the sun and frankly this State has to be the cloudiest place on Earth. We can go days on end without direct sunlight.

That theory does have some potential seeing as these days people slather up their kids in sunscreen 40 to keep them safe from harmful UV radiation. No one did that twenty or thirty years ago. We got sunburned. And we liked it!

385 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #368 jcm

You are great. The kids are blessed to have such good care. Ask your doctor about the recent advice to use very dilute clorox in the bath water. This should take less time to work.

386 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:54:36pm

re: #380 Spare O'Lake

Speak for yourself.
I'm here for grief.

you don't get enough grief in real life, so you look for it on the interwebs, bwahaha.

387 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:55:10pm

Adios, lizardos. Early night, long day tomorrow, and off to Scotland on Thursday. May check in tomorrow. Y'all take care, from the bizarre liberal redoubt of 78704

388 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:55:23pm

re: #340 Charles

Be afraid. Be very afraid. I have operatives stationed outside your apartment right now, ready to do my bidding if I give the word.

Good grief.

If you're so afraid, I'll be happy to delete your account.

I know that brought a smile to your face Charles..Hope today finds you well..
There isn't a sys admin worth his salt that can't trace route where a poster comes from...The mystery is delicious isn't it?

389 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:55:42pm

re: #387 austin_blue

Adios, lizardos. Early night, long day tomorrow, and off to Scotland on Thursday. May check in tomorrow. Y'all take care, from the bizarre liberal redoubt of 78704

I'm in 78745; equally bizarre, but slightly cheaper real estate.

390 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:56:18pm

Oh, everybody came here. If FB, MD is still around: why no D serogroup of N. meningiditis in the meningitis vaccines? My daughter got this shot before she turned 12 (said it was the worst shot ever...) and now my son is due (needle phobic, but he's getting this one).

Are there vaccines against meningitis?

Yes, there are vaccines against Hib, against some serogroups of N. meningitidis and many types of Streptococcus pneumoniae. The vaccines against Hib are very safe and highly effective.

There are two vaccines against N. meningitidis available in the U.S. Meningococcal polysaccharide vaccine (MPSV4 or Menomune®) has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and available since 1981. Meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MCV4 or MenactraT) was licensed in 2005. Both vaccines can prevent 4 types of meningococcal disease, including 2 of the 3 types most common in the U.S. (serogroup C, Y, and W-135) and a type that causes epidemics in Africa (serogroup A). Meningococcal vaccines cannot prevent all types of the disease. But they do protect many people who might become sick if they didn't get the vaccine. Meningitis cases should be reported to state or local health departments to assure follow-up of close contacts and recognize outbreaks.

MCV4 is recommended for all children at their routine preadolescent visit (11 to 12 years of age). For those who have never gotten MCV4 previously, a dose is recommended at high school entry. Other adolescents who want to decrease their risk of meningococcal disease can also get the vaccine. Other people at increased risk for whom routine vaccination is recommended are college freshmen living in dormitories, microbiologists who are routinely exposed to meningococcal bacteria, U.S. military recruits, anyone who has a damaged spleen or whose spleen has been removed; anyone who has terminal complement component deficiency (an immune system disorder), anyone who is traveling to the countries which have an outbreak of meningococcal disease, and those who might have been exposed to meningitis during an outbreak. MCV4 is the preferred vaccine for people 11 to 55 years of age in these risk groups, but MPSV4 can be used if MCV4 is not available. MPSV4 should be used for children 2 to 10 years old, and adults over 55, who are at risk.

Meningitis scares the crap out of me.

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]

391 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:56:21pm

In fact, after seeing the crap "Eric Cartman's Conscience" has been posting at other sites, I'll just block that account right now.

No need to thank me, "Eric."

392 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:56:25pm

Good night all. Sorry more Republicans didn't show up to vote in New York's 20th congressional district.

We will need to work harder and smarter to beat the union/ACORN axis of Dems.

393 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #381 alegrias

* * *
Thanks, Dark Falcon. Darn it. Wish more people had gotten out to compete against the ACORNistas and Unionistas Obama deployed to New York today.

Couldn't more NY folks have met to tea party at the polls, and do something useful?

We haven't lost yet. In fact, we'll probably win, but it'll be a squeaker.

394 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:57:12pm

re: #387 austin_blue

Adios, lizardos. Early night, long day tomorrow, and off to Scotland on Thursday. May check in tomorrow. Y'all take care, from the bizarre liberal redoubt of 78704

Scotland, eh? Have a safe trip laddie.

395 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:57:49pm

re: #391 Charles

well, that was predictable.

396 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

But, to be honest, there are times I'm genuinely uncomfortable knowing you have my IP address. Like this very moment as I post this. This should not be a sentiment you should hope to cultivate.

First of all, you're responsible for your own feelings. No one forces you to feel either way.

Second of all, this might help quiet your qualms.

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:58:03pm

Respect that autoritaih!

398 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:58:31pm

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

We haven't lost yet. In fact, we'll probably win, but it'll be a squeaker.

* ***
You're sweet to stay positive, thank you for the reassuring words.

Got to stop the borg now!

399 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:58:36pm

re: #397 Sharmuta

Respect that autoritaih!

Hehehe =)

400 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:58:59pm

Anywho...

So, this anti-vaccination crap - this stupid, dangerous, self-destructive, infanticidal nonsense - is it yet another manifestation of the mass insanity that others have observed of late? Has the world really gone absolutely gravel-munching crazy and I only just recently noticed it?

Vaccines? Chem-trailers? Nirthers? BDS? ODS?

WTF?

401 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Dear God, i hope we're not going to be looking an another Minnesota fiasco.

402 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:59:38pm

re: #352 FightingBack

That's interesting. There is some evidence that bathing in dilute chlorine bleach is a way to control MERSA, a very serious resistant skin infection.

Hey, is that you Dr. Steve W? My daughter's pediatrician actually recommended that after my son got MRSA and she kept getting minor infections on little nicks and scrapes she would get on her hands.

I have to say it worked...a couple tablespoons of bleach in the bath, and she hasn't had one of those nuisance infections since. But I know I looked at him like he was CRAZY when he suggested it.

403 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:59:38pm

re: #386 noshariaincanada

you don't get enough grief in real life, so you look for it on the interwebs, bwahaha.

That's right, buddy, grief is where it's at.
Camaraderie is for Commies.

404 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:03pm

And now we have our first anti-vax meltdown. A grim milestone.

405 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:10pm

re: #391 Charles

In fact, after seeing the crap "Erci Cartman's Conscience" has been posting at other sites, I'll just block that account right now.

No need to thank me, "Eric."

I'll throw the charcoal on the grill. As always, I'll now take requests for soda and side dishes. Chargrilled Troll will be ready in 30 minutes.

406 VioletTiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:10pm

re: #390 funky chicken

Colleges are starting to up their vaccine requirements for entry. I sent my daughter away with every recommended vaccine. Campuses can be germ central.

407 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:19pm

The increase in Autism cases correlates to the diagnostic changes in Increase in autism is due to changes in diagnosis as revised in DSM-IV.

408 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:30pm

re: #404 Charles

And now we have our first anti-vax meltdown. A grim milestone.

How many more must be killed or driven insane by vaccinations?

///

409 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:00:48pm

ot: there's been a slight pause in the world's financial meltdown, but my hunch is that things are going to get worse soon.

410 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:01:33pm

re: #400 Guanxi88

Anywho...

So, this anti-vaccination crap - this stupid, dangerous, self-destructive, infanticidal nonsense - is it yet another manifestation of the mass insanity that others have observed of late? Has the world really gone absolutely gravel-munching crazy and I only just recently noticed it?

Vaccines? Chem-trailers? Nirthers? BDS? ODS?

WTF?

You forgot the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, shape-shifting reptilian aliens, FEMA concetration camps and the Masons.

411 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #308 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I personally think that yours was a very well-written comment. And I agree that the email that prompted this thread was "tame." It was only mildly antagonistic, and, while its logic was weak to nonexistent, it was a far cry from the vicious, foaming-at-the-mouth, barely comprehensible "die you Zionist honcos" and "God hates you, you anti-creationist Satan-lover" emails that Charles sometimes posts for the "we've got mail" threads.

However, I would also point out that Charles was quite civil with this emailer. Neither he nor anyone else called the emailer any nasty names, or otherwise reacted with anything more hostile than some gentle jabs.

As I see it, the purpose of posting an email verbatim like this is to demonstrate the kind of person who holds the views expressed in the email. The person who wrote this email isn't a crazed genocidal madman, but just an ignorant person whose own logical deficiencies erroneously lead him to find personal fault in Charles. I think Charles' treatment of him was appropriately measured, and constructive, in that it illustrates the kind of flawed thinking that leads one to speak out against vaccination, despite a lack of evidence to suggest that there's something to worry about there.

And, of course, the other important point is that it's Charles' blog and he can say whatever the hell he wants here.

412 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:21pm

re: #409 noshariaincanada

ot: there's been a slight pause in the world's financial meltdown, but my hunch is that things are going to get worse soon.

So they say. A bubble and then pop! Not looking forward to it. Things are bad enough here as it is.

413 pbird  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #13 Gus 802

The author of said email probably gets his medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or by watching Oprah.

So, is Dr. Gerber a quack?

Dr. Gerson was a cancer researcher and phys. in the 40s and through to the 60s or so. He had wonderful success with many terminal patients. No one is really doing it the way he did nowdays.

414 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:31pm

re: #407 Gus 802

The increase in Autism cases correlates to the diagnostic changes in Increase in autism is due to changes in diagnosis as revised in DSM-IV.

That's what I've been wondering about.

415 irongrampa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:37pm

re: #391 Charles

Charles-did Eric use the same s/n at those other sites?

416 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:41pm

re: #390 funky chicken

I'm not sure why this subgroup is not included, but no vaccine can prevent every type of infection, unfortunately. I agree that all kids 11 and up should get this vaccine. It's not cost effective in a micro or macro way, but who cares? Preventing even one case of bacterial meningitis is worth it.

417 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:02:45pm

Cripes. If this is accurate it looks like a lot of kids I knew growing up would have been diagnosed as being autistic:

DIAGNOSING AUTISM AND PDD-NOS PER THE DSM-IV IN LAYMAN’S TERMS

418 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:03:16pm

re: #398 alegrias

* ***
You're sweet to stay positive, thank you for the reassuring words.

Got to stop the borg now!

Then we need to keep set our arguments to a random modulation. The Borg adapt quickly, so we must destroy them as swiftly as possible.

419 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:03:27pm

re: #400 Guanxi88

Anywho...

So, this anti-vaccination crap - this stupid, dangerous, self-destructive, infanticidal nonsense - is it yet another manifestation of the mass insanity that others have observed of late? Has the world really gone absolutely gravel-munching crazy and I only just recently noticed it?

Vaccines? Chem-trailers? Nirthers? BDS? ODS?

WTF?

There was this guy who hypothesized that all of these stupid movements would join together into a giant force of uselessness. I can't remember what it was called. Somebody's Law, I think? Help me out guys. I know some of you have said it before.

420 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:03:28pm

re: #414 MandyManners

That's what I've been wondering about.

Same here. I found a study but you have to pay to read it.

421 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #402 funky chicken

All good doctors sound alike, LOL.

422 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:04:08pm

re: #391 Charles

In fact, after seeing the crap "Eric Cartman's Conscience" has been posting at other sites, I'll just block that account right now.

No need to thank me, "Eric."

Ah, well that's the part that I didn't know about... adios Eric.

Me, I don't post anything about Charles at other sites. I don't post anything about anyone at other sites. I'm too busy being here.

423 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:04:18pm

re: #403 Spare O'Lake

That's right, buddy, grief is where it's at.
Camaraderie is for Commies.

camaraderie is friendship of sorts, cf. Merriam-Webster's

excuse my fwench

424 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #410 MandyManners

You forgot the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, shape-shifting reptilian aliens, FEMA concetration camps and the Masons.

Damn! Tell me that wouldn't make an impressive name for a law-firm:

"Illuminati, Bliderberger, Draco, FEMA, and Masons"

425 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:04:34pm

re: #413 pbird

Dr. Gerson was a cancer researcher and phys. in the 40s and through to the 60s or so. He had wonderful success with many terminal patients. No one is really doing it the way he did nowdays.

Max Gerson? I found a site and he seems to be touting alternative medical treatments. If that's the same doctor.

426 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:04:44pm

re: #391 Charles

In fact, after seeing the crap "Erci Cartman's Conscience" has been posting at other sites, I'll just block that account right now.

No need to thank me, "Eric."

Kyle and the rest of those Jews control you, don't they? Yes, we know the Terrible Secret.

/Cartman

427 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #424 Guanxi88

Damn! Tell me that wouldn't make an impressive name for a law-firm:

"Illuminati, Bliderberger, Draco, FEMA, and Masons"

Don't forget the Bohemian Grove!

428 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:31pm

re: #410 MandyManners

Don't forget the 5000 black male prisoners killed during Hurricane Katrina by the government.

Cynthia McKinney says so.

429 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:46pm

re: #422 Last Mohican

I hardly ever post at other sites. I hardly post here all that much anymore.

It makes no sense to me.

Personality issues.

430 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:48pm

And by the way -- yes, Lorraine Day is a raving quack.

[Link: www.quackwatch.org...]

431 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:54pm
432 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:55pm

re: #410 MandyManners

You forgot the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, shape-shifting reptilian aliens, FEMA concetration camps and the Masons.

And don't forget Mizraim and Memphis, on the Philalethes and the Nine Sisters, on the Strict Observance and on the Ordo Tem-pli Orientis, on the Illuminati of Bavaria and of Avignon, on the Kadosh Knights, on the Elus Cohen, on the Perfect Friendship, on the Knights of the Black Eagle and of the Holy City, on the Rosicrucians of Anglia, on the cabalists of the Rose + Cross of Gold, on the Golden Dawn, on the Catholic Rosy Cross of the Temple and of the Grail, on the Stella Matutina, on the Astrum Argentinum and Thelema, on Vril and Thule.

433 pbird  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:55pm

re: #63 jamgarr

When I was a kid cranberries were "the cancer food". And eggs were good for you. Butter too.

They still are good for you!

434 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:05:57pm

re: #427 MandyManners

Don't forget the Bohemian Grove!

That's the name of our building, silly.

435 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:06:17pm

Thank you for these two threads, Charles.
At last, something at which I excel.

436 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:06:21pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

And don't forget Mizraim and Memphis, on the Philalethes and the Nine Sisters, on the Strict Observance and on the Ordo Tem-pli Orientis, on the Illuminati of Bavaria and of Avignon, on the Kadosh Knights, on the Elus Cohen, on the Perfect Friendship, on the Knights of the Black Eagle and of the Holy City, on the Rosicrucians of Anglia, on the cabalists of the Rose + Cross of Gold, on the Golden Dawn, on the Catholic Rosy Cross of the Temple and of the Grail, on the Stella Matutina, on the Astrum Argentinum and Thelema, on Vril and Thule.

Easy there, Diotallevi

437 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:06:23pm

re: #428 pink freud

Don't forget the 5000 black male prisoners killed during Hurricane Katrina by the government.

Cynthia McKinney says so.

I'm thinking that the Internet has spread a lot of the craziness.

438 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:06:36pm

re: #426 Alouette

Kyle and the rest of those Jews control you, don't they? Yes, we know the Terrible Secret.

/Cartman

Hiding all the money lost in the financial crisis in their Jew Cave!@
/

439 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:07:15pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

And don't forget Mizraim and Memphis, on the Philalethes and the Nine Sisters, on the Strict Observance and on the Ordo Tem-pli Orientis, on the Illuminati of Bavaria and of Avignon, on the Kadosh Knights, on the Elus Cohen, on the Perfect Friendship, on the Knights of the Black Eagle and of the Holy City, on the Rosicrucians of Anglia, on the cabalists of the Rose + Cross of Gold, on the Golden Dawn, on the Catholic Rosy Cross of the Temple and of the Grail, on the Stella Matutina, on the Astrum Argentinum and Thelema, on Vril and Thule.

Dang. You've done some reading.

440 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:07:27pm

re: #436 Guanxi88

Easy there, Diotallevi

Ha!

441 pbird  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:07:45pm

re: #425 Gus 802

Max Gerson? I found a site and he seems to be touting alternative medical treatments. If that's the same doctor.

Thats the man. He was a genius. Read Results of Fifty Cases.

442 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:05pm

re: #434 Guanxi88

That's the name of our building, silly.

Is there a statue of the giant owl in the lobby?

443 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #414 MandyManners

That's what I've been wondering about.

For a while there it seemed like almost every other kids was being diagnosed with ADD. That's still the case and I think it's SOP. In this case I think we're also dealing with over bearing parents as well as a hyper sensitive psychiatric community.

Of course more diagnoses translates into more funding and more "business" for the industry. There's others that believe that the funding issues spreads into the Special Education interests.

444 carefulnow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:14pm

re: #396 MandyManners

Oh, that's so funny!

445 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:31pm

re: #428 pink freud

Don't forget the 5000 black male prisoners killed during Hurricane Katrina by the government.

Cynthia McKinney says so.

Or the 500 million Americans who would've lost their jobs had the spendulus bill not passed.

446 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:35pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Then we need to keep set our arguments to a random modulation. The Borg adapt quickly, so we must destroy them as swiftly as possible.

* * * *
I'll settle for beating democrats HONESTLY by a big enough margin to avoid lawsuits. Make it plain!

447 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:37pm

re: #442 MandyManners

Is there a statue of the giant owl in the lobby?

That's our receptionist, and she's very sensitive about her hair.

448 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:08:56pm

re: #340 Charles

Be afraid. Be very afraid. I have operatives stationed outside your apartment right now, ready to do my bidding if I give the word.

Good grief.

If you're so afraid, I'll be happy to delete your account.

Hey Charles, the Chicken family is partial to veggie calzones. Just in case your operatives are bored or something. W also like Chinese food, preferably spicy.

Thanks!

449 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:00pm

re: #385 FightingBack

You are great. The kids are blessed to have such good care. Ask your doctor about the recent advice to use very dilute clorox in the bath water. This should take less time to work.

We will do that! We've got a great pediatrician who specializes with foster care kids.

450 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:02pm

When I recall my days in Elementary school (last century BTW) there were a couple kids that probably were autistic but no one knew what that was back then. They weren't dumb at all, just really quirky and a bit anti-social. Not sure what ever happened to them.

451 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:15pm

re: #442 MandyManners

Is there a statue of the giant owl in the lobby?

Back to conspiracies again: Who blow da Owl?

452 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:19pm

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

I'll throw the charcoal on the grill. As always, I'll now take requests for soda and side dishes. Chargrilled Troll will be ready in 30 minutes.

MMmmmmmm gamy buttocks. Now where did I put that Guiness.

453 noshariaincanada  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:25pm

...and it's good night all lizards ...

454 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #450 Mich-again

When I recall my days in Elementary school (last century BTW) there were a couple kids that probably were autistic but no one knew what that was back then. They weren't dumb at all, just really quirky and a bit anti-social. Not sure what ever happened to them.

Probably in accounting, technical fields, that sort of thing.

455 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:45pm

This is a good website, even though Dr Barrett is a bit kooky at times. I think of him as the James Randi of medicine

www.quackwatch.com

456 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:09:48pm

Gotta' go beat The Kid. bbiab

457 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:04pm

re: #442 MandyManners

Is there a statue of the giant owl in the lobby?

re: #447 Guanxi88

That's our receptionist, and she's very sensitive about her hair.

So, you're saying I shouldn't have greeted her by saying, "Nice hooters!"

458 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:11pm

Posted earlier tonight by "Eric Cartman's Conscience" when he was warming up for the big meltdown:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

459 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:27pm

re: #437 MandyManners

Sickos had a lot harder time commiserating and finding support among the like-minded before the internet. Now they've got their own specialized support groups.

460 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:38pm

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

Back to conspiracies again: Who blow da Owl?

Monica.

461 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:38pm

OT
London update from TOTUS.

....Big Guy has been preoccupied lately with the auto business he took over, which kind of ties in with the Chinese meeting, after all, with all of the debt China's bought from us over the past year, Jintao is to the United States what Big Guy was to GM. Except Jintao can't fire the Big O.

At least that's what the lawyers tell us.


Would that he could fire Big Guy.

462 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:10:59pm

Gerson Therapy

Other common name(s): Gerson diet, Gerson method, Gerson treatment, Gerson program

Scientific/medical name(s): none

Description

Gerson therapy is a form of alternative cancer treatment involving coffee enemas and a special diet with supplements claimed to cleanse the body, boost the immune system, and stimulate metabolism (see Metabolic Therapy).

Overview

Available scientific evidence does not support claims that Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer, and the principles behind it are not widely accepted by the medical community. It is not approved for use in the United States.

Gerson therapy can be dangerous. Coffee enemas have been associated with serious infections, dehydration, constipation, colitis (inflammation of the colon), electrolyte (salt and mineral) imbalances, and even death (see Colon Therapy).

463 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:11:03pm

Also see:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

464 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:11:28pm

re: #458 Charles

Posted earlier tonight by "Eric Cartman's Conscience" when he was warming up for the big meltdown:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That was ugly..

465 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:11:48pm

Will Obama sell out the US at the G20?

We were nasty capitalist, but we're on the road to socialism now!
*burp*

466 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:11:56pm

re: #458 Charles

Posted earlier tonight by "Eric Cartman's Conscience" when he was warming up for the big meltdown:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I admit it- I'm a horrible person who states her opinion and backs it up. I should be ashamed of myself, but somehow I'm not.

467 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:17pm

re: #377 zombie

New at zomblog:

“It’s the Jews, Stupid.”

We know who's stupid in that picture.
Hint - he's holding the sign.

468 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:17pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

heh, do you guys have the cigar brand "White Owl" down there?

469 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:19pm

re: #443 Gus 802

...and to close up the circle, parents who push for the ADD diagnosis/label now have a perfect excuse for little johnny's bad behavior.

470 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:27pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Final Saratoga County precinct has reported: Murphy leads by 65. Its going to come down to the absentee ballots, and even then there'll be a recount.

i hope the military absentee ballots make it happen for tedisco.

471 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #458 Charles

He Who Shall Forthwith Be Known as Sharm's Little Stalker.....

472 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #465 jorline

Will Obama sell out the US at the G20?

We were nasty capitalist, but we're on the road to socialism now!
*burp*

Oui. But of course.

473 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:42pm

re: #465 jorline

Will Obama sell out the US at the G20?

We were nasty capitalist, but we're on the road to socialism now!
*burp*

0bama will pretty much sell us out anywhere. Here, G20, I don't think it really matters.

474 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:46pm

I must be over the target?

475 pbird  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:58pm

re: #462 Gus 802

Gerson Therapy

Other common name(s): Gerson diet, Gerson method, Gerson treatment, Gerson program

Scientific/medical name(s): none

Description

Gerson therapy is a form of alternative cancer treatment involving coffee enemas and a special diet with supplements claimed to cleanse the body, boost the immune system, and stimulate metabolism (see Metabolic Therapy).

Overview

Available scientific evidence does not support claims that Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer, and the principles behind it are not widely accepted by the medical community. It is not approved for use in the United States.

Gerson therapy can be dangerous. Coffee enemas have been associated with serious infections, dehydration, constipation, colitis (inflammation of the colon), electrolyte (salt and mineral) imbalances, and even death (see Colon Therapy).

Has to be done right. My cousin was cured of breast cancer using his methods. Everybody freaks out about the coffee thing. That is a very minor part of the treatment. Its better than getting burnt by chemicals, cut to pieces bit by bit and then still dying.

476 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

I admit it- I'm a horrible person who states her opinion and backs it up. I should be ashamed of myself, but somehow I'm not.

I use sharmuta in common speech as a synonym for awesome.

477 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:13:37pm

re: #462 Gus 802

Do they use Kopi Luwak?

478 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:13:40pm

The cartman conscience
Not one I'd have listend to
Wrong on all accounts

479 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:13:42pm

re: #476 Basho

I use sharmuta in common speech as a synonym for awesome.

Her name is a killing word to the Fremen.

480 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:13:47pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

I admit it- I'm a horrible person who states her opinion and backs it up. I should be ashamed of myself, but somehow I'm not.

How dare you state your opinion and back it up?

481 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:10pm

At our lizard meet up in SF, the name of Sharmuta was invoked with reverence, and many glasses were raised, as was the name of Charles.

482 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:18pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

How dare you state your opinion and back it up?

I know! WTF is wrong with me?

483 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:18pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

How dare you state your opinion and back it up?

Nope, can't allow that now can we?

484 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:20pm

re: #32 angst

I recall (in a graduate course) being required to read "Judgment under uncertainty: Heursitics and biases"....link to the text here...(Of particular interest in the chapter on debiasing...) It's extremely easy to be fooled...one prof always recommended to do a thought experiment which would be the exact opposite (mirror inverse) of the proposed study...

485 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:29pm

re: #469 pink freud

...and to close up the circle, parents who push for the ADD diagnosis/label now have a perfect excuse for little johnny's bad behavior.

Yeah. A lot of what we see being medicalized today was normal behavior not to long ago. The bar is so low now that any kid that displays any tiny symptom is swept up by the medical world. I know the typical stuff we pulled as kids was given the swift treatment of slap on the back of the head! :)

486 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:14:58pm

re: #461 Bobblehead

The Chinese love the Buick nameplate. If Obama lets it die off they may protest by not buying American T-bills for a month. You never know.

487 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:00pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

I know! WTF is wrong with me?

Are you looking for a list? Should I send it in an email? :)

488 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:31pm

re: #470 nyc redneck

i hope the military absentee ballots make it happen for tedisco.

* * * *
It was the country's first opportunity to Just Say No to the "0"....wish more folks had made the effort to shock Obama in the NorthEast. It would be world wide news to have a Republican win back that New York seat.
It would shock the New York Times and other Obama shills, to have a setback so soon.

489 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:36pm

re: #462 Gus 802

The things I learn here.

Asspresso/

490 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:38pm

re: #416 FightingBack

I'm not sure why this subgroup is not included, but no vaccine can prevent every type of infection, unfortunately. I agree that all kids 11 and up should get this vaccine. It's not cost effective in a micro or macro way, but who cares? Preventing even one case of bacterial meningitis is worth it.

TRI-CARE actually pays for most of it, or half of it. I'm thrilled to pay out of pocket for a meningitis vaccine. I'm considering getting it myself, which will probably be all out of pocket.

But who cares?

491 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:45pm

re: #475 pbird

Has to be done right. My cousin was cured of breast cancer using his methods. Everybody freaks out about the coffee thing. That is a very minor part of the treatment. Its better than getting burnt by chemicals, cut to pieces bit by bit and then still dying.

OK

I don't think aggressive chemo is a good thing either for a lot of patients.

492 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:15:49pm

re: #486 Mich-again

The Chinese love the Buick nameplate. If Obama lets it die off they may protest by not buying American T-bills for a month. You never know.

I saw Shanghai Buicks there.

493 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:16:12pm

re: #486 Mich-again

The Chinese love the Buick nameplate. If Obama lets it die off they may protest by not buying American T-bills for a month. You never know.

They'll just bootleg the nameplate if they haven't done so already...

494 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:16:17pm

re: #483 jcm

Nope, can't allow that now can we?

Damn uppity women!

495 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:16:31pm

re: #485 Gus 802

Yeah. A lot of what we see being medicalized today was normal behavior not to long ago. The bar is so low now that any kid that displays any tiny symptom is swept up by the medical world. I know the typical stuff we pulled as kids was given the swift treatment of slap on the back of the head! :)

I got my fanny warmed.

496 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:16:42pm

re: #477 jcm

Do they use Kopi Luwak?

Italian Roast!

//

497 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:16:44pm

re: #462 Gus 802

coffee enemas

Now how did someone figure that out?

498 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:03pm

re: #494 Sharmuta

Damn uppity women!

Especially blue ones!

499 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:17pm

re: #495 Bobblehead

And look how you turned out!

500 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:24pm

re: #498 jcm

There ought to be a law!

501 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:41pm

re: #485 Gus 802

Now teachers are being taught to create a "secret signal" for each child with an ADD/ADHD diagnosis/label, to be discreetly administered when the child crosses some boundary or the other. Can you imagine what some of these teachers face, when 20-30% of her class need to be tended this way?

502 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:43pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

I know! WTF is wrong with me?

I'm not sure..where is Oprah?
/ I never knew a Nic could be turned into a verb on the Internet..Wow..just wow...
*wink*

503 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #497 Mich-again

Now how did someone figure that out?

My guess is it involved a long night of drinking, and then either a dare or a bet.

504 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:17:55pm

re: #497 Mich-again

Now how did someone figure that out?

Got that from the American Cancer Society.

No well controlled studies.

505 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:05pm

re: #495 Bobblehead

I got my fanny warmed.

* * *
Me too, with a Dr. Scholl's wooden sandal!~Ouw, Mom!

506 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:14pm

re: #497 Mich-again

Now how did someone figure that out?

Early morning quickie.

507 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:17pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

There ought to be a law!

There will be.

508 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:31pm

Troofers, Nirthers, now ..... vaccinathers.

509 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:48pm

Actually- I'd like the thank 'eric cartman's conscience' for making me aware that AceofSpades isn't a blog I'd like to spend my time at. No offense to Ace.

510 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:51pm

re: #497 Mich-again

You stole my though.

What state of mind would you be in, when you are thinking about putting some coffee up your ass?

Chock full of nuts has so many applications there.

511 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:18:51pm

Questionable Cancer Therapies: Max Gerson:

Gerson Method

Proponents of the Gerson diet claim that cancer can be cured only if toxins are eliminated from the body. They recommend "detoxification" with frequent coffee enemas and a low-sodium diet that includes more than a gallon a day of juices made from fruits, vegetables, and raw calf's liver. This method was developed by Max Gerson, a German-born physician who emigrated to the United States in 1936 and practiced in New York City until his death in 1959. Gerson therapy is still available at Hospital Meridien in Tijuana, Mexico and, since February 1997, at the Gerson Healing Center in Sedona, Arizona.

Gerson therapy is still actively promoted by his daughter, Charlotte Gerson, through lectures, talk show appearances, and publications of the Gerson Institute in Bonita, California. Gerson protocols have included liver extract injections, ozone enemas, "live cell therapy," thyroid tablets, royal jelly capsules, linseed oil, castor oil enemas, clay packs, laetrile, and vaccines made from influenza virus and killed Staphylococcus aureus bacteria.

In 1947, the NCI reviewed ten cases selected by Dr. Gerson and found his report unconvincing. That same year, a committee appointed by the New York County Medical Society reviewed records of 86 patients, examined ten patients, and found no evidence that the Gerson method had value in treating cancer. An NCI analysis of Dr. Gerson's book A Cancer Therapy: Results of Fifty Cases concluded in 1959 that most of the cases failed to meet the criteria (such as histologic verification of cancer) for proper evaluation of a cancer case [16]. A recent review of the Gerson treatment rationale concluded: (a) the "poisons" Gerson claimed to be present in processed foods have never been identified, (b) frequent coffee enemas have never been shown to mobilize and remove poisons from the liver and intestines of cancer patients, (c) there is no evidence that any such poisons are related to the onset of cancer, (d) there is no evidence that a "healing" inflammatory reaction exists that can seek out and kill cancer cells [17].

Between 1980 and 1986 at least 13 patients treated with Gerson therapy were admitted to San Diego area hospitals with Campylobacter fetus sepsis attributable to the liver injections [18]. None of the patients was cancer-free, and one died of his malignancy within a week. Five were comatose due to low serum sodium levels, presumably as a result of the "no sodium" Gerson dietary regimen. As a result, Gerson personnel modified their techniques for handling raw liver products and biologicals. However, the Gerson approach still has considerable potential for harm. Deaths also have been attributed to the coffee enemas administered at the Tijuana clinic.

Charlotte Gerson claims that treatment at the clinic has produced high cure rates for many cancers. In 1986, however, investigators learned that patients were not monitored after they left the facility [19]. Although clinic personnel later said they would follow their patients systematically, there is no published evidence that they have done so. A naturopath who visited the Gerson Clinic in 1983 was able to track 21 patients over a 5-year period (or until death) through annual letters or phone calls. At the 5-year mark, only one was still alive (but not cancer-free); the rest had succumbed to their cancer [20].

512 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:08pm

re: #505 alegrias

* * *
Me too, with a Dr. Scholl's wooden sandal!~Ouw, Mom!

Ouch! That's almost as bad as kneeling on rice.

513 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:21pm

re: #488 alegrias

* * * *
It was the country's first opportunity to Just Say No to the "0"....wish more folks had made the effort to shock Obama in the NorthEast. It would be world wide news to have a Republican win back that New York seat.
It would shock the New York Times and other Obama shills, to have a setback so soon.

might happen yet. there will be lawyers, recounts and absentee ballots.
only 64 votes separates the o puppet, scott murphy from tedisco.
murphy should have won w/ out a problem considering all the money
pelosi and o put into "his" election.
you are right. we need this win. we need this slap right in o's smirking face.

514 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:27pm

Ahhh. Watching O'Reily. The first hint that Biden's daughter snorting coke (unproven) is a Right Wing Conspiracy.

515 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:39pm

re: #507 Guanxi88

There will be.

*Yoda voice*

516 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:41pm

re: #499 FightingBack

And look how you turned out!

Bitter and with a chip the size of a brick on my shoulder. :)

517 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:48pm

re: #511 Charles

Feh.

518 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:19:57pm

re: #511 Charles

juices made from fruits, vegetables, and raw calf's liver.

YUCK!

520 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:20:12pm

re: #509 Sharmuta

Actually- I'd like the thank 'eric cartman's conscience' for making me aware that AceofSpades isn't a blog I'd like to spend my time at. No offense to Ace.

I haven't been there in months. I started to sense the crazy growing after Obama was elected. Glad to see my instincts were right.

521 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:20:14pm

re: #511 Charles

Questionable Cancer Therapies: Max Gerson:

Geeze, more quackery than a duck pond.

522 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:20:24pm

re: #511 Charles

And the big question now is: why aren't we seeing controlled studies? IOW, why isn't it "working" now.

523 ronsfi  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:20:47pm

That reminds me of a reply to a comment I made at HotAir asking me how I knew "they haven't found God" in outer space. After all did I have a "God Detector"? Gud Gawd!

524 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:21:42pm

re: #505 alegrias

* * *
Me too, with a Dr. Scholl's wooden sandal!~Ouw, Mom!

Oooo Those were painful on my feet. I can only imagine how they felt on your rear end.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:21:47pm

re: #344 Guanxi88


Lemme tell you - all this "fusion" cuisine of the last decade was a bunch bunk - don't bother mixing French and Vietnamese cuisine, or hawaiian and german, or whatever the hell these power-mad chefs were trying to do - take a dish, appreciated and enjoyed by separate culinary traditions, and combine them, as happened in this case.

Vietnamese and French cuisines were mixed by history, rather than art...and I appreciate being able to get good coffee after an Asian meal.

526 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:21:48pm

re: #501 pink freud

Now teachers are being taught to create a "secret signal" for each child with an ADD/ADHD diagnosis/label, to be discreetly administered when the child crosses some boundary or the other. Can you imagine what some of these teachers face, when 20-30% of her class need to be tended this way?

That would be instead of a spanking which is what I told the school to do with my precocious son. He once spent the first 40 minutes of a test disassembling a pen, and the last 5 minutes on the test. Still got a C.

527 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:22:35pm

re: #513 nyc redneck

might happen yet. there will be lawyers, recounts and absentee ballots.
only 64 votes separates the o puppet, scott murphy from tedisco.
murphy should have won w/ out a problem considering all the money
pelosi and o put into "his" election.
you are right. we need this win. we need this slap right in o's smirking face.

* * * *
Yay, I can sleep now. Thank you, good to know the O-machine wasted more of our tax dollars trying to buy another congressional seat in the Northeast...their priorities suck!

528 Aye Pod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:22:37pm

re: #209 Charles

There's a fear of broccoli?

Color me amazed.

I'm afraid of it but only because of the taste.

529 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:22:38pm

re: #511 Charles

That is vile.

530 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:22:43pm

And before I forget- thank you for the very kind words, gang. {LGF}

531 Palandine  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:22:47pm

Back in December when I was sick, the doctor said it could be "pneumonia or whooping cough."

I was dumbfounded. "I'm (30-something) years old and I've been vaccinated."

He said vaccinations wear off, and since vaccine-fearing parents aren't getting their kids their shots, there are increasing outbreaks of preventable childhood diseases.

One of these days we're going to have a bad outbreak of a preventable childhood disease, and kids will die. I find that sickening.

It ended up being pneumonia, FWIW.

532 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:23:42pm

re: #524 Bobblehead

Oooo Those were painful on my feet. I can only imagine how they felt on your rear end.

* * * *
Don't worry, we were teenagers and bigger than Mom by then. It was more of a joke, and now a family joke.

533 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:24:13pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

Vietnamese and French cuisines were mixed by history, rather than art...and I appreciate being able to get good coffee after an Asian meal.

See, the Vietnamese colonial cuisine in one thing; I'm thinking about the whacked out Westerners who tried to somehow fuse Vietnamese cuisine into dishes such as, and this I saw on a menu in Beantown, choucroute Alsace, swimming in pho. Ghastly beyond words.

And I love what the Vietnamese do with coffee! Those little filter/strainer things, condensed milk, and too much sugar.

534 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:24:25pm

re: #441 pbird

Thats the man. He was a genius. Read Results of Fifty Cases.

Yeah, genius...

Two aspects of the Gerson treatment have attracted attention as possible causes of adverse effects--the use of raw calves liver juice, and coffee enemas.

Ingestion of raw calves liver juice has been associated with infection with Campylobacter fetus subspecies fetus, an organism that is carried in the intestinal tract of cattle and sheep. Infection with C. fetus subsp. fetus is treatable if detected early, but can lead to sepsis and death if undetected or inadequately treated (339). An outbreak of C. fetus subsp. fetus infection among cancer patients, some of whom were thought to have been treated with the Gerson regimen, was reported in 1981 (339).

Between January 1979 and March 1981, nine cancer patients and one lupus patient with sepsis were reported to the San Diego County Department of Health Services. C. fetus subsp. fetus was isolated from blood cultures from nine patients and from peritoneal fluid from one patient. Upon admission to the hospital, five of the patients were comatose and all had severe electrolyte abnormalities. The nine cancer patients died shortly after admission (338).

After learning of the outbreak from a newspaper article, members of the Gerson staff contacted the San Diego Department of Health Services to discuss the problem, assuming from the description of treatments taken that at least some of the ten patients had been treated at the Gerson clinic (401). Acknowledging the possible link between the raw liver juice and the Campylobacter infection in these patients, Gerson staff subsequently improved the handling and storage of the calves liver to reduce the likelihood of contamination and instituted routine tests for C. fetus among their patients at the first sign of infection; patients testing positive would then be treated with an appropriate antibiotic (e.g., erythromycin) (401). No further reports of this type of infection in Gerson patients have been published in the literature. The clinic discontinued the use of raw liver juice in late 1989, however, because of potential problems with infection (326). Coffee enemas have been associated with serious fluid and electrolyte abnormalities, although none have been reported specifically in patients undergoing the Gerson regimen. One report in the literature noted the death of two Seattle women, one of whom had cancer, due to fluid and electrolyte abnormalities following coffee enemas (273). One of these women reportedly took ten or twelve coffee enemas in one night, and continued at a rate of one per hour, while the other woman took them four times daily; in both cases, the enemas were taken much more frequently than is recommended in the Gerson treatment. Another report of serious adverse effects associated with coffee enemas cited three cases (579). The overall risk of fatal electrolyte disturbance associated with coffee enemas is unknown, and may depend to some extent on frequency and conditions of use (see also discussion in Box 3-B).

535 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #492 OldLineTexan

I saw Shanghai Buicks there.

SGM will be a powerhouse someday in the not too far future. They have a real passion for designing luxury cars.

536 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:24:36pm

re: #501 pink freud

Now teachers are being taught to create a "secret signal" for each child with an ADD/ADHD diagnosis/label, to be discreetly administered when the child crosses some boundary or the other. Can you imagine what some of these teachers face, when 20-30% of her class need to be tended this way?

Amazing. And the ease to which they are diagnosed increase that population over time. I can only see the DSM decreasing the requirements for diagnosis if autism.

537 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:25:19pm

Science sucks!

538 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:25:22pm

re: #534 Thanos

Raw calf liver juice? Was that supposed to be helpful somehow?

539 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:25:34pm

I joined several sites over the past few years; Charles' Mike Totten's, Michelle Malkin's, Hotair, Powerline...

The only sites I comment on are this one (frequently) and Mike Totten's (occasionally). The others are too nut-infested for words.

I think that I have made the right choices.

540 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #536 Gus 802

Amazing. And the ease to which they are diagnosed increase that population over time. I can only see the DSM decreasing the requirements for diagnosis if of autism.

PIMF

541 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:25:45pm

re: #538 Last Mohican

Raw calf liver juice? Was that supposed to be helpful somehow?

Not to the calf.......

542 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:26:08pm

Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly and the other influential talk-show hosts should be pressured to reveal their official position on teaching ID in public school science classes, including a personal explanation of the implications of this. And this should be trumpeted to the public so there can be no mistake. If this isn't done soon the media will expose them and throw the most prolific intellectual resistance to encroaching Socialism in disarray, to say nothing of efforts to keep the West safe from terrorism. If they are to self-destruct on this issue, it would best that it be sooner than later.

(yes, I understand that intellectual, as applied to these figures, is arguable)

543 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #531 Palandine

Back in December when I was sick, the doctor said it could be "pneumonia or whooping cough."

I was dumbfounded. "I'm (30-something) years old and I've been vaccinated."

He said vaccinations wear off, and since vaccine-fearing parents aren't getting their kids their shots, there are increasing outbreaks of preventable childhood diseases.

One of these days we're going to have a bad outbreak of a preventable childhood disease, and kids will die. I find that sickening.

It ended up being pneumonia, FWIW.

There are a large number of foreigners who would do anything to get to America to have a better life, including getting a harmless shot.

These anti-vaccinators are an embarrassment.

544 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:26:20pm

re: #541 jcm

LOL

545 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:26:36pm

re: #535 Mich-again

SGM will be a powerhouse someday in the not too far future. They have a real passion for designing luxury cars.

Luxury cars are OK, but I liked the tippy microvans and the little EZ-crush trucks. Kind of like a destruction derby just waiting to break out at any minute.

/

546 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:26:51pm
547 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:27:04pm

You're all a bunch of rabid skeptomaniacs with a case of idiophobia.

548 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:27:33pm

re: #547 BigPapa

You're all a bunch of rabid skeptomaniacs with a case of idiophobia.

Thank you.

549 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #538 Last Mohican

That's what the quack thought. While some of the treatments he prescribed are similar to "cancer preventative conventional wisdom" of today, none of it has been proven as effective in combating real cancers.

The real cures for cancer are out there thanks to science, and your chances of survival today is much greater than it was five years ago.

550 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:28:23pm

re: #547 BigPapa

Isn't it great? :)

551 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:28:27pm

re: #532 alegrias

* * * *
Don't worry, we were teenagers and bigger than Mom by then. It was more of a joke, and now a family joke.

That's funny. My mom used the "Go up to your room and wait til your father gets home." tactic. The waiting was the worst part.

552 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:29:32pm

re: #549 Thanos

That's what the quack thought. While some of the treatments he prescribed are similar to "cancer preventative conventional wisdom" of today, none of it has been proven as effective in combating real cancers.

The real cures for cancer are out there thanks to science, and your chances of survival today is much greater than it was five years ago.

A huge part of it is early detection and intervention.

553 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:29:57pm

re: #551 Bobblehead

That's funny. My mom used the "Go up to your room and wait til your father gets home." tactic. The waiting was the worst part.

Yes, every day, you get one more yard. You take it on faith, you take it all to heart, the waiting is the hardest part.

554 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:30:21pm

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555 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:30:46pm

It's like this place is some kind of logical bonsai bush. Every new issue that comes up causes some new trimming and pruning.

And a bunch more entertainment!

556 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:31:14pm

re: #553 Guanxi88

Yes, every day, you get one more yard. You take it on faith, you take it all to heart, the waiting is the hardest part.

Who sang that?

557 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:31:28pm

re: #556 Dark_Falcon

Who sang that?

Tom Petty

558 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:31:35pm

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

559 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:05pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

Vaccinating yer Smurf.

560 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:13pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

Hey RW...how are you tonight?

561 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:23pm

re: #552 jcm

There are actually 2 anti-cancer vaccines, too!
There's the Hepatitis B vaccine, and the HPV vaccine against Cervical Cancer.

562 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:26pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

Autism, nirtherism, fusion cuisine, pop music, naughty bits, coffee enemas.....

563 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #551 Bobblehead

That's funny. My mom used the "Go up to your room and wait til your father gets home." tactic. The waiting was the worst part.

My mother hit me with a wooden spoon.

564 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:37pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

Bogus quack cancer cures and the anti vaccinators

565 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:41pm
566 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:53pm

re: #559 OldLineTexan

Vaccinating yer Smurf.

waxing the shillelagh?

567 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:32:53pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

Vaccines, fluoride, chlorine, carrots, dark vegetables, coffee, quacks, and Tom Petty.

568 Elcid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:06pm

re: #511 Charles

What. Horse. Shit. So much so, I hear ducks.

569 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:07pm

Hello Lizards! I'm watching on C-SPAN Durbin on the Senate Judiciary Subcommitte on Crime and Drugs. I'm waiting for the "blame American Guns" speech.

Actually, I think Durbin understands that it is much more than complex than that, but I know the "war on guns" is going to come out of his mouth.

570 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:18pm

re: #558 realwest

Vaccinoofers. We had our first flamout who doubled as a Sharmuta Stalker! A first by my count.

571 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:19pm

re: #539 Salamantis

The only sites I comment on are this one (frequently) and Mike Totten's (occasionally). The others are too nut-infested for words.

Much respect for your comments here. And I agree with you about those other sites. Most all are nuttier than a pecan pie.

572 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:32pm

re: #547 BigPapa

You're all a bunch of rabid skeptomaniacs with a case of idiophobia.

Idiophobia...

It wouldn't surprise me if this label was just around the corner. Criticizing the anti-vaxxers (Idioti antivaxxerus), and other species in genus Idioti on their moonbattery will become a hate crime.

573 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:33pm

re: #546 taxfreekiller

20th Dist. NY
both gave statements, "to close to call"

65 vote margin to the D

absent and mill still not counted

unless they cheat in the open looks good for a squeak deal for the R

That was my read on the situation as well.

574 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:35pm

re: #555 BigPapa

It's like this place is some kind of logical bonsai bush. Every new issue that comes up causes some new trimming and pruning.

And a bunch more entertainment!

Yep. People seem so reasonable...until it's THEIR sacred cow that gets skewered and turned on the spit of logic over the evidential fire...

575 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:33:37pm

re: #563 Mr. In get Mr. Out

My mother hit me with a wooden spoon.

That would explain your fear of stand mixers. Go on ...

////

576 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:00pm

re: #562 Guanxi88

Autism, nirtherism, fusion cuisine, pop music, naughty bits, coffee enemas.....

Does that enema come in decaf?

I don't want my sorry ass up all night!

577 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:12pm
578 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:22pm

re: #566 Guanxi88

Oh dear. I really have misunderstood.

;)

579 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:24pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

Idiophobia...

It wouldn't surprise me if this label was just around the corner. Criticizing the anti-vaxxers (Idioti antivaxxerus), and other species in genus Idioti on their moonbattery will become a hate crime.

Better call the UN and draft up a bill to protect those people pronto!

//

580 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:29pm

re: #561 FightingBack

There are actually 2 anti-cancer vaccines, too!
There's the Hepatitis B vaccine, and the HPV vaccine against Cervical Cancer.

Our little girl is Hep B, bio-mom was a drug user. We're doing the Hep B vaccines to build up her immunity.

581 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:38pm

re: #428 pink freud

Don't forget the 5000 black male prisoners killed during Hurricane Katrina by the government.

Cynthia McKinney says so.

Oh. My. God.

Let me see if I have this right. The DOD is responsible for executing 5000 men from LA prisons, 'processing' the bodies, putting the information into a 'Pentagon computer' and then dumping the bodies into a swamp. We know this because the guy who processes the bodies called his mother, who called Cynthia McKinney. This is confirmed by 'insiders' from the Red Cross.

Where do I even begin?

582 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:53pm

re: #559 OldLineTexan
Keepy your hands off my Smurf you prever.....hey, what are y'all doing with that needle........OUCH!
Damnit it I said keep your hands off my Smurf and that included anything in your hands too!
:)

583 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:34:57pm

re: #574 Salamantis

Yep. People seem so reasonable...until it's THEIR sacred cow that gets skewered and turned on the spit of logic over the evidential fire...

And carved with Occam's razor into slices to be piled on the freshy, crusty, artisanal bread of the Scientific Method. Served with house salad or soup. No substitutions, please.

584 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:05pm

re: #555 BigPapa

It's like this place is some kind of logical bonsai bush. Every new issue that comes up causes some new trimming and pruning.

And a bunch more entertainment!

wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off

585 Aye Pod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:17pm

I wonder if a Breatharian thread would precipitate meltdowns/hate mail?

586 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:17pm

Now he is quoting the report linked by Michael Yon. 90% of guns traced come from America.

Now, what I don't understand is if guns are not registered, how can they trace them?

587 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:30pm

A point of information here...........

Some posters seem to think that if a child gets measles, mumps, or rubella (German measles), it's a death sentence. Not so.

I'm 64 years old. When I was a kid, I had all those plus pertussis (whooping cough), chicken pox, and even viral pneumonia during the Great Blizzard of 1947 so that I could not be taken to the hospital and I was not given any antibiotics. And I'm here to tell you about it.

All those then-called typical "childhood diseases" were very common. People even deliberately exposed their kids so that they had some control over when he/she got sick, so it shouldn't be during the holidays or during a vacation or some other inconvenient time, or so that all brothers and sisters would get sick at once rather than dragging it out for months.

The ONLY thing we were vaccinated against was smallpox, which they stopped doing in the early or mid 70's.

And the only thing my mother was worried about was polio, since there was also no vaccine for that during my early childhood, and that could leave a child crippled.

I have no dog in this fight. But people should not mistakenly think that measles, mumps, or rubella are equivalent to the Bubonic Plague.

588 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:35:52pm

re: #575 OldLineTexan

That would explain your fear of stand mixers. Go on ...

////

It's possible. When I make bread or a cake, I have to do it with bare hands, a spoon, or a whisk.

589 sharon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:36:06pm

Hi,

I'm a little late to the party, but let me just say that when my daughter was turning one I took her to the doctor for a check-up. I postponed her vaccines until the following week so that she'd be feeling well for her party. Not 24 hours later, she developed her first fever (forcing me to cancel her party, ironically). Had she had her vaccines as intended, I would naturally have thought they were the cause, but of course they weren't. To me, this illustrates the perils of assigning causality. That's why you want these massive large-scale studies to prove a statistical correlation, so you can iron out these individual differences.

590 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:36:23pm

re: #581 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. My. God.

Let me see if I have this right. The DOD is responsible for executing 5000 men from LA prisons, 'processing' the bodies, putting the information into a 'Pentagon computer' and then dumping the bodies into a swamp. We know this because the guy who processes the bodies called his mother, who called Cynthia McKinney. This is confirmed by 'insiders' from the Red Cross.

Where do I even begin?

Here I'll save you the trouble. It's a three parter:

1. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
2. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
3. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

In summary, Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

//

591 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:36:27pm

re: #556 Dark_Falcon

Who sang that?

592 Aye Pod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:36:51pm

re: #565 taxfreekiller

that and tfk feels the need to provide a down ding opportunity for jummah and basho

[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]
web cam thingey
[Link: www.nws.noaa.gov...]
they say the low tonight and tomorrow night 5 F

So says the most obsessive downdinger on LGF.

593 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:36:55pm

re: #580 jcm

Our little girl is Hep B, bio-mom was a drug user. We're doing the Hep B vaccines to build up her immunity.

Well now that sounds like a good reason. Good for you (and good for her).

I must say in general I don't see the point of vaccinating a child against Hep B. Why not do it later, when they get closer to the risk factors. Doctors, for example, have to be vaccinated for Hep B when we start medical school. In case we get stuck with a used needle at some point.

594 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:14pm

re: #560 jorline Hey jorline, how are y'all doing tonight? Didja by any chance see either of my two (well one and a repost) comments about e-mailing your congresscritters about that bill that cleared the subcommitte headed by Barney Franks - Charles had a thread on it - where the government would decide salaries and make "performance" evaluations for THOUSANDS of folks who's companies took Fed bailout money - and that the bill was retroactive?!

595 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:15pm

re: #590 Gus 802

Here I'll save you the trouble. It's a three parter:

1. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
2. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
3. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

In summary, Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

//

You point is?
;-P

596 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:19pm

re: #542 Salem

Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly and the other influential talk-show hosts should be pressured to reveal their official position on teaching ID in public school science classes, including a personal explanation of the implications of this. And this should be trumpeted to the public so there can be no mistake. If this isn't done soon the media will expose them and throw the most prolific intellectual resistance to encroaching Socialism in disarray, to say nothing of efforts to keep the West safe from terrorism. If they are to self-destruct on this issue, it would best that it be sooner than later.

(yes, I understand that intellectual, as applied to these figures, is arguable)

Well, I'm going to repeat this from time to time. I encourage people on this forum to call their favorite talk-show hosts, urge them to engage in this debate and (eventually, I hope) force them to make an official stand on this for their audiences, the media and the whole world to hear.

597 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:35pm

re: #469 pink freud

...and to close up the circle, parents who push for the ADD diagnosis/label now have a perfect excuse for little johnny's bad behavior.

Thank God, most parents, in my experience, don't use the diagnosis as an excuse for anything. The ones that do could drive you to drink.

598 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:46pm

re: #581 SanFranciscoZionist

These are the people running our country .....

599 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:37:48pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

"anti-vaxxers (Idioti antivaxxerus)"

I nominate this term for the LGF Dictionary.

600 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:00pm

This blog blows crap like this out of the water, routinely. He calls fake science and quackery "woo", and he knocks it down with both barrels.

Here's an excerpt from a couple of days ago:

Still, for all the nonsense and pseudoscience nurtured in the pages of Arianna Huffington's little vanity project, there were some places I didn't think even HuffPo would go. There's some woo just so ridiculous that even HuffPo wouldn't touch it. Or so I thought.

I was wrong. Meet Srinivasan Pillay, "certified master coach, psychiatrist, brain imaging researcher and speaker," whatever that means (other than psychiatrist). As PalMD points out, his "brain imaging" publications in PubMed are pretty darned sparse, mostly functional MRI studies, which are very difficult to do correctly in order to obtain any correlations or useful data. If his HuffPo presence is any indication, I hate to think what he's doing with that fMRI machine. Get aload of his post, forwarded to me by multiple readers, entitled The Science of Distant Healing.

The woo, it burns.

601 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:08pm

re: #558 realwest

Good evening y'all - what are we talking about tonight?

real,
A very civil conversation about vaccines. Boring stuff. You didn't miss a thing.

602 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:29pm

re: #593 Last Mohican

Well now that sounds like a good reason. Good for you (and good for her).

I must say in general I don't see the point of vaccinating a child against Hep B. Why not do it later, when they get closer to the risk factors. Doctors, for example, have to be vaccinated for Hep B when we start medical school. In case we get stuck with a used needle at some point.

We got the vaccine for us and the boys, exposure to her, bodily fluids etc... you know how little kids are!

603 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:35pm

re: #574 Salamantis

Hmm.... I wonder if that can be called some kind of -ism or syndrome. Sorta like dogma.

604 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #586 ggt

Now he is quoting the report linked by Michael Yon. 90% of guns traced come from America.

Now, what I don't understand is if guns are not registered, how can they trace them?

American manufacture is the typical claim.

It will be a full-court press of bullshit.

It's all deja-vu for me.

605 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #557 Guanxi88

Tom Petty

Thank you. I love that song, but I had forgotten that he sang it. Kind of ironic, given that I posted a Tom Petty video on this thread at #350.

606 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #562 Guanxi88
Hi - uh, coffee enemas? I don't really think I'd like to read about that, thankewverymuch!

607 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:38:48pm

Another weirdo emails:

Charles-

I hate to be the one to break it to you like this, but the Washington
Examiner is a satire site. Too many commenters for A Bill to Let Big
Government Set Your Salary failed to notice that. Could you please post
a warning label on it to warn the masses?

Thanks,
Formynder

608 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:39:19pm

re: #586 ggt

Now he is quoting the report linked by Michael Yon. 90% of guns traced come from America.

Now, what I don't understand is if guns are not registered, how can they trace them?

Obviously, some one is using a clean registrant, and that registrant then sells the guns to the gun traffickers, who sells them in Mexico.

What should happen next is that the clean registrant gets arrested. Why that is not happening, I have no idea, other than the BATF is sometimes very lax with enforcement.

609 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:39:57pm
610 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:20pm

re: #592 Jimmah

So says the most obsessive downdinger on LGF.

He has read the Mark Levin book. He is now too powerful for us!
...must...spam...ads...for...Liberty and Tyranny...

611 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:20pm

re: #605 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. I love that song, but I had forgotten that he sang it. Kind of ironic, given that I posted a Tom Petty video on this thread at #350.

IRONICALLY/COINCIDENTALLY

An event that is strikingly different from or the opposite of what one would have expected, usually producing a sense of incongruity, is ironic: “The sheriff proclaimed a zero-tolerance policy on drugs, but ironically flunked his own test.” Other striking comings-together of events lacking these qualities are merely coincidental: “the lovers leapt off the tower just as a hay wagon coincidentally happened to be passing below.”

612 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:33pm

re: #85 Jim in Virginia

Red peppers?
Rhubarb?
Spargel?

Does Arugula fit somewhere on this list?

613 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:36pm

re: #607 Charles

The masses!

614 mattm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:50pm

Leno just made a a bunch of jokes attacking Obama. My favorite was on the GM restructuring plan and the need for GM to show it can manage their money...the punch line to Obama "Hey, you first."

615 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:40:54pm

re: #564 Thanos Well, even though I tried to make my way through the last thread, I'm afraid there was more heat than light sent up by the comments. And since I don't know enough to comment on it, I'll stay out of it.
Quack cancer cures I do know all about, thankew very much.
Hope you're well tonight!

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:41:03pm

re: #533 Guanxi88

See, the Vietnamese colonial cuisine in one thing; I'm thinking about the whacked out Westerners who tried to somehow fuse Vietnamese cuisine into dishes such as, and this I saw on a menu in Beantown, choucroute Alsace, swimming in pho. Ghastly beyond words.

And I love what the Vietnamese do with coffee! Those little filter/strainer things, condensed milk, and too much sugar.

OK, Pho Choucroute Alsace sounds ghastly.

I love the coffee too.

617 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:41:52pm

re: #587 nonic

Let's see. Measles causes deafness and sometimes, death.
Mumps causes orchitis and sterility, and (rarely) encephalitis, and death.
Rubella doesn't cause death in the kiddie that has it, but it causes birth defects, and sometimes, death, in the unborn of the young women (Moms and Teachers) in proximity.
The MMR vaccine does not cause death (or we'd know about it)


Ah, the Death Gamble.
Some folks survived the Bubonic Plague, and, these days, antibiotics would be effective against it. Antibiotics do not work for M, M or R.
You decide.

618 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #616 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, Pho Choucroute Alsace sounds ghastly.

I love the coffee too.

There is a place in SF called Pot de Pho. It took several drives by before the pun dawned on me, but now I am dying to eat there.

619 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #538 Last Mohican

Raw calf liver juice? Was that supposed to be helpful somehow?

Youse guys stop with the raw...urg, feel sick.

And yeah, campylobacter will do wonders for your health.

620 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:42:36pm

re: #616 SanFranciscoZionist

Vietnamese Coffee. Next time I go to my local Pho cafe, I'll get a Boba Tea. And a big bowl of pho. Om nom nom.

621 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:42:55pm

re: #610 Basho

He has read the Mark Levin book.

"Rommel... you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" :)

622 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:01pm

What ever happened to that laetrile thingy? People were actually labelling a cyanide isomer derived from almonds as a cancer-curing Vitamin B-17 for a while...

623 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:15pm
624 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:15pm

re: #604 OldLineTexan

American manufacture is the typical claim.

It will be a full-court press of bullshit.

It's all deja-vu for me.

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

625 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:32pm

re: #615 realwest

Well, even though I tried to make my way through the last thread, I'm afraid there was more heat than light sent up by the comments. And since I don't know enough to comment on it, I'll stay out of it.
Quack cancer cures I do know all about, thankew very much.
Hope you're well tonight!

and you as well friend!

626 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:44pm

re: #596 Salem

Well, I'm going to repeat this from time to time. I encourage people on this forum to call their favorite talk-show hosts, urge them to engage in this debate and (eventually, I hope) force them to make an official stand on this for their audiences, the media and the whole world to hear.

Limbaugh's already out of the closet as a Ben Stein/Expelled supporter.

627 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:45pm

re: #559 OldLineTexan

Vaccinating yer Smurf.

There ought to be a law!

628 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #617 FightingBack

Let's see. Measles causes deafness and sometimes, death.
Mumps causes orchitis and sterility, and (rarely) encephalitis, and death.
Rubella doesn't cause death in the kiddie that has it, but it causes birth defects, and sometimes, death, in the unborn of the young women (Moms and Teachers) in proximity.
The MMR vaccine does not cause death (or we'd know about it)

Ah, the Death Gamble.
Some folks survived the Bubonic Plague, and, these days, antibiotics would be effective against it. Antibiotics do not work for M, M or R.
You decide.

No deaths:

Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS). No deaths or permanent sequelae were reported in a published post-marketing surveillance study in Finland involving 1.5 million children and adults who were vaccinated with M-M-R II during 1982 to 1993.

[Link: www.merck.com...]

629 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:44:05pm

re: #608 rawmuse

Obviously, some one is using a clean registrant, and that registrant then sells the guns to the gun traffickers, who sells them in Mexico.

What should happen next is that the clean registrant gets arrested. Why that is not happening, I have no idea, other than the BATF is sometimes very lax with enforcement.

Because we need more gun laws for criminals to ignore.

/

630 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:44:45pm

re: #587 nonic

I had them all except for whooping cough. I'm still here but they were no fun and I'm glad the vaccines were there when my son was little.

631 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:44:46pm

re: #593 Last Mohican

Because it works well in the infant period, is not associated with any side effects, and those kids are within the vaccination system (ie being dragged to the office by their parents.) Older folks are more difficult to corral for a series of vaccines over a six month period.

632 Aye Pod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:44:48pm

re: #539 Salamantis

I joined several sites over the past few years; Charles' Mike Totten's, Michelle Malkin's, Hotair, Powerline...

The only sites I comment on are this one (frequently) and Mike Totten's (occasionally). The others are too nut-infested for words.

I think that I have made the right choices.

I used to post on Ibn Warraq's ISIS site until the forum was shut down(possibly due to obsessive spamming by "Achmed", the resident Jihadist), then on Atheistforums, till it got overrun by Paulians. LGF is the only site I've posted on that actually improves with age.

633 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:44:53pm

re: #606 realwest

Hi - uh, coffee enemas? I don't really think I'd like to read about that, thankewverymuch!

I don't know about coffee enemas, nor do I ever plan to know, but I will say this. The very best treatment for sunburn is cold coffee. Its an old family remedy and it is quite amazing. Just soak a towel in cold coffee and place it on the sunburned area for 20 minutes or so and the next day the sunburn is just about gone. No peeling, no blisters. All I can say is try it and see for yourself.

Of course there is no money to be made with this so it will remain an obscure secret.

634 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:45:11pm

re: #590 Gus 802

Here I'll save you the trouble. It's a three parter:

1. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
2. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.
3. Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

In summary, Cynthia McKinney is crazy.

//


Now, that does make sense. I can rest easy!

635 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:45:15pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

What channel is this on?

636 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:45:22pm

re: #554 HoosierHoops

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637 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:46:07pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

Careful with DiFi around guns. Her finger always rests on the trigger.

No sarc tag; the woman is a damnable menace.

638 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:46:14pm

re: #469 pink freud

...and to close up the circle, parents who push for the ADD diagnosis/label now have a perfect excuse for little johnny's bad behavior.

And, then there are parents of children who actually have ADHD. Unless and until you've been around a child with it, you have no idea. No amount of discipline can stop it.

Now, I'm not even gonna' get involved further lest I say some very tacky things. But, fuck anyone who thinks that parents of kids with ADHD look for an easy escape to parenting. You have no idea the lengths and depths of my search for answers and appraoches to how to deal with a highly intelligent yet--at many times--highly sugestible and irritatible child. I'm just gonna' stop now. Before I get mad. Good night.

639 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:46:39pm

re: #629 ggt

That is the reality for most gun laws, or even a lot of laws in general. A legislator gets a law passed, puffs up his or her chest, has a nice press conference, then fails to provide for enforcement of said law, which means it was all show business or a vehicle for fund raising, or public relations.

The stories are legion.

640 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:46:41pm

re: #567 Gus 802AHA! Tom Petty - for your listening and viewning pleasure:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

641 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:46:53pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

What channel is this on?

C-SPAN 3

642 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:13pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

They already sneaked that one past us in CA. (Apparently even a bolt action .50BMG rifle is an "assault rifle" now because it scares hippies). Shes just trying to inflict it on the rest of the country now.

Barrett actually refuses to do business with CA law enforcement agencies because of this, stating that the state of California is in non-compliance with the 2nd and 14th Amendments and they cant do business with lawbreakers (gotta love the guy).

643 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #620 ConservatismNow!

Vietnamese Coffee. Next time I go to my local Pho cafe, I'll get a Boba Tea. And a big bowl of pho. Om nom nom.

Tapioca balls!

644 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:33pm

re: #636 HoosierHoops


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645 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:35pm

re: #594 realwest

Hey jorline, how are y'all doing tonight? Didja by any chance see either of my two (well one and a repost) comments about e-mailing your congresscritters about that bill that cleared the subcommitte headed by Barney Franks - Charles had a thread on it - where the government would decide salaries and make "performance" evaluations for THOUSANDS of folks who's companies took Fed bailout money - and that the bill was retroactive?!

I missed your comment, but I'll go back and read it before signing off tonight.

I posted this up-thread.

179 jorline 3/31/09 7:23:48 pm

Most people received a GWB stimulus check last year...does mean we fall under PBO and Barney Frank's retroactive “Pay for Performance Act of 2009” and thus subject to salary mandates?
/

They've gone mad in Washington.

646 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:48pm

re: #640 realwest

AHA! Tom Petty - for your listening and viewning pleasure:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

Thanks.

647 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:54pm

re: #631 FightingBack

Also, school entry can be used as a "gate" to insure vaccination. There are few barriers for adults. And, in certain communities, Hep B is reported to be passed in family contact.

648 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:47:56pm

re: #637 OldLineTexan

Careful with DiFi around guns. Her finger always rests on the trigger.

No sarc tag; the woman is a damnable menace.

Yep, pretty scary. I was wondering how much her hair and face cost each month an what percentage of my income I contribute.

649 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:48:02pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

Well, this 5 inch 50 caliber gun can shoot a 5 inch bullet 13 nautical miles!
But it is a bit hard to carry around unless you happen to have a destroyer handy.

650 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:48:03pm

re: #629 ggt

Because we need more gun laws for criminals to ignore.

/

More gun laws are intended to CREATE criminals.

This leads to greater CONTROL.

It's always the magician's OTHER hand that is most interesting.

651 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:48:22pm

re: #624 ggt

M107 .50 Caliber Long Range Sniper Rifle
Maximum Range 7,450 yd (6,812 m)
Maximum Effective Range 2,000 yd (1,829 m)
[Link: www.inetres.com...]

652 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:48:43pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

In the spirit of the 2nd Amendment, America needs to go in the complete opposite direction. Complete and total lack of gun control, up to and including military aircraft and ships, outdated if need be. The only thing the government restricts is WMDs and current aircraft and vehicles. WMDs are too indiscriminate and current aircraft could be sold to America's enemies.

653 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:49:08pm

re: #577 taxfreekiller
Hey my friend, I'll check my e-mail shortly! What this about that house race in NYS? The D won?! Craziness, BAD craziness in this country right now if that's true.

654 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:49:21pm

re: #642 ArchangelMichael

They already sneaked that one past us in CA. (Apparently even a bolt action .50BMG rifle is an "assault rifle" now because it scares hippies). Shes just trying to inflict it on the rest of the country now.

Barrett actually refuses to do business with CA law enforcement agencies because of this, stating that the state of California is in non-compliance with the 2nd and 14th Amendments and they cant do business with lawbreakers (gotta love the guy).

I'm not a gun nut, a 2nd Amendment nut. Help me out here. the 5" bullet she is talking about is the actual bullet + the length of the cartridge--right?

655 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:49:33pm

re: #633 Mich-again

Coffee is acidic, perhaps causing micro cauterization the way the other home remedy for burns (vinegar) does? Just speculation...

656 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:49:37pm

re: #624 ggt

Feinstein is talking now. Now they want to ban 50 caliber because they send a 5" bullet (?) a long distance.

Next they'll want to ban titanium bullets.......

657 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:49:56pm

re: #643 SanFranciscoZionist

Tapioca balls!

Yeah, never was a fan of that stuff. Now, some of the jasmine tea the Vietnamese love so much, that, if it's done right, is a wonderful thing.

Also quite nice, for those with a lot of tea and time on their hands, is to combine equal parts gunpowder tea, pu erh, and jasmine green or oolong. brew up three pots, and mix together in the urn and bring to the table. Quite a tasty beverage, and seems to help the digestion of even the heaviest meals.

658 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #654 ggt

Yes.

659 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #626 funky chicken

Limbaugh's already out of the closet as a Ben Stein/Expelled supporter.

Apparently, but the media will ignore this until they need to use it. These talk-show hosts are always happy to talk about issues like global warming and everyone knows their positions on them. But how many know their position on this? A lot of people are awakening to the importance of the issue here but it's being debated in few other places outside of academia. These hosts aren't as eager to argue this issue, if the talk-show hosts are made to argue it, then the debate goes everywhere. There will be no hiding from it.

660 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:06pm

re: #617 FightingBack

Let's see. Measles causes deafness and sometimes, death.
Mumps causes orchitis and sterility, and (rarely) encephalitis, and death.
Rubella doesn't cause death in the kiddie that has it, but it causes birth defects, and sometimes, death, in the unborn of the young women (Moms and Teachers) in proximity.
The MMR vaccine does not cause death (or we'd know about it)


Ah, the Death Gamble.
Some folks survived the Bubonic Plague, and, these days, antibiotics would be effective against it. Antibiotics do not work for M, M or R.
You decide.

I think you miss my point.

Do you know what the incidence is of death from measles, or deafness or any other complication of any of the childhood diseases? I don't. I think that would be an interesting piece of information.

But my point remains.........if it's true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will develop autism if he gets a shot (which I believe is true -- my kids all had shots), it is also true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will DIE if he doesn't.

661 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:06pm

re: #641 ggt

C-SPAN 3

That lets me out. I only get C-SPAN 1 and 2. The good news is that Feinstein does have the votes to pass such a bill right now and Harry Reid won't let one onto the Senate floor (because his own voters will pitch him out on his ear if a gun control bill passes).

662 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:19pm

Ahhh...Laetrile!

[Link: www.quackwatch.org...]

663 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:28pm

re: #649 Kosh's Shadow

Well, this 5 inch 50 caliber gun can shoot a 5 inch bullet 13 nautical miles!
But it is a bit hard to carry around unless you happen to have a destroyer handy.

I have a trench coat when I carry one of those.......

664 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:50:48pm

re: #656 jcm

Next they'll want to ban titanium bullets.......

What next? Ban steel stock sales and lathe sales?

665 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:51:36pm

re: #664 Gus 802

What next? Ban steel stock sales and lathe sales?

Machinist!

666 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:51:44pm

re: #631 FightingBack

Because it works well in the infant period, is not associated with any side effects, and those kids are within the vaccination system (ie being dragged to the office by their parents.) Older folks are more difficult to corral for a series of vaccines over a six month period.

The only downsides I can see are the mercury exposure, and the fact that the immunity can wane over time. In which case one can just get a booster, of course.

I just read an abstract estimating that HBV vaccinations in China have prevented 30 million chronic HBV infections.

667 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:51:50pm

re: #638 MandyManners

And, then there are parents of children who actually have ADHD. Unless and until you've been around a child with it, you have no idea. No amount of discipline can stop it.

Now, I'm not even gonna' get involved further lest I say some very tacky things. But, fuck anyone who thinks that parents of kids with ADHD look for an easy escape to parenting. You have no idea the lengths and depths of my search for answers and appraoches to how to deal with a highly intelligent yet--at many times--highly sugestible and irritatible child. I'm just gonna' stop now. Before I get mad. Good night.

Here, here.

And while I'm joining Mandy in complaining about that, may I also bitch at the people who think that teachers who believe in ADHD diagnoses are 'pathologizing' normal male behavior?

668 Soccermom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:52:08pm

re: #112 FightingBack

Thanks for posting and knowing what you are talking about! I taught scientific research methods to college students, and even they had a hard time, mostly because they didn't want to think very hard. Start talking about prospective studies, double-blink studies, control groups, and most people's eyes glaze right over.

Parents must be initially devastated when they have a child who has a serious medical problem, and it's natural for them to look for explanations. My kids were little when the anti-vaccine movement really picked up steam and got a lot of publicity. I had no second thoughts about vaccinating my kids, and wish they were also protected against smallpox. One of my friends didn't want to vaccinate her child because it isn't "natural." We pointed out that dying from measles in "natural," etc. and she finally vaccinated her child when she was about 6.

The anti-vaccine folks have not only done a disservice to kids, but also to parents, too. I'm sure a lot of parents blame themselves for getting their kids vaccinated.

We don't teach people about scientific methods anywhere, unless you take special courses in college (at least in my day). The press prints every weird finding that is published, no matter it's merit. It's really hard for the average person to know how to evaluate medical studies.

669 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:52:50pm

re: #654 ggt

I'm not a gun nut, a 2nd Amendment nut. Help me out here. the 5" bullet she is talking about is the actual bullet + the length of the cartridge--right?

The round is called the .50 BMG. The bullet is half an inch in diameter. Its main use in .50 machine guns, most famously the M2HB (often called 'Ma Deuce').

670 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:03pm

Logging off to download the latest Safari security fix, which just popped up.

671 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:08pm

re: #601 Bobblehead
Aha. Well listen Bobblehead, my friend, I was born late at night, but it sure as hell wasn't LAST night - I skimmed through the prior thread.
Nice try, though!

672 Brit in Japan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:11pm

Hi, I'm late to the party.

This was a big deal in the UK too, a few years back, the press even cornered Blair on whether he had had his children get the MMR (and I think he blew the answer, further fueling hysteria).

My question is, where did this idea come from originally? Who first said there was a link, and why?


BiJ.

673 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:22pm

re: #587 nonic

Bubonic plague is eminently treatable. It's unpleasant - the buboes hurt like the devil - but modern antibiotics knock it right down.

674 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #638 MandyManners

And, then there are parents of children who actually have ADHD. Unless and until you've been around a child with it, you have no idea. No amount of discipline can stop it.

Now, I'm not even gonna' get involved further lest I say some very tacky things. But, fuck anyone who thinks that parents of kids with ADHD look for an easy escape to parenting. You have no idea the lengths and depths of my search for answers and appraoches to how to deal with a highly intelligent yet--at many times--highly sugestible and irritatible child. I'm just gonna' stop now. Before I get mad. Good night.

I'm going to totally defend Mandy here, who I urged to research this as much as possible for her son. I know she would have anyways. I actually am highly skeptical of mental drugs, and think they should be used sparingly.

On the other hand- I agree with pink that there is a lot of over diagnosis and parents should be more diligent. But in Mandy's case, she's done her homework. More kids would be better off if they had a parent like our Mandy.

675 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:45pm

re: #656 jcm

Next they'll want to ban titanium bullets.......

Cryptonite! Now that is some baaaa/i> stuff. WMD material, I've heard.

676 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:53:49pm

re: #654 ggt

I'm not a gun nut, a 2nd Amendment nut. Help me out here. the 5" bullet she is talking about is the actual bullet + the length of the cartridge--right?

Yes, like most liberals, she doesn't know shit about guns. I'm not a "gun nut" either, at least not in comparison to a lot of people I know, but I do know when you shoot... the shell part doesn't go with it.

The actual "bullet" part of .50 BMG/12.7x99mm NATO rounds is 2.139 inches.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

677 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:54:04pm

Just a little more of "Dr." Lorraine Day's batshit craziness:

How One Wicked Nation Can Kill Billions Around the World With One Lie!

By Lorraine Day, M.D. - January 24, 2006

When the wicked leaders of a wicked nation want to:

* Create FEAR and CHAOS and TERROR throughout the world.

* Take away the rights of citizens in every nation in the world.

* Create a world-wide pandemic and annihilation of a large segment of a nation's population by forced vaccinations that secretly contain live bacteria and viruses such as AIDS, Herpes, Hepatitis, and Small Pox, as well as preservatives made from Mercury that causes Brain Damage and Autism.

* Control every country in the world by allowing the World Health Organization (WHO) to enter and take over their emergency medical and political apparatus, and place embargos or quarantines on the entire country.

* Eliminate the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which bans the military from participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil. This act specifically prohibits the government from using the military against its own citizens. (This Posse Comitatus Act was severely violated at Waco, when U.S. military troops were used against the Branch Davidians.)

* Help create famines in order to annihilate a large portion of the world's population by killing off the food supply of any and every nation, by killing their chickens, turkeys and other birds used for food.

* Declare martial Law and suspend the Constitution.

All they need to do is create - out of thin air The Bird Flu "Pandemic" HOAX!

678 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:54:12pm

re: #645 jorline

Reasons why the Government has a right to control the salaries of Major League baseball players.

1) Municipalities issue bonds for stadium construction funds.
2) Congress gives MLB an anti-trust exemption.
3) Local police departments perform crowd and traffic control at no cost.
4) Foreign baseball players get fast-tracked through immigration proceedings.
5) Baseball teams generate profit from cable TV revenue.

Based on these reasons alone the Federal Government should hold sway over player salaries.

679 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:54:45pm

re: #661 Dark_Falcon

That lets me out. I only get C-SPAN 1 and 2. The good news is that Feinstein does have the votes to pass such a bill right now and Harry Reid won't let one onto the Senate floor (because his own voters will pitch him out on his ear if a gun control bill passes).

www.c-span.com

You can watch in a separate window.

680 Digital Display  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:55:36pm

re: #636 HoosierHoops

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681 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:55:49pm

BTW - Any of y'all (glancing hopefully in Charles direction) hear anything more about the Conflicker worm that's supposed to go viral tomorrow, April !st?(Charles had a thread on it this week).

682 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:56:12pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

I'll say again that I'm not a nutritionalist, but I did decide recently to improve my diet so I have been researching various foods, and the health benefits of dark colored fruits and vegetables is hard to deny.

Live foods versus dead foods.

Orange = live
Doritos = dead

683 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #660 nonic

No one says he "will" die. He "may" die.
When Measles was a wild type disease, virtually 100% of children had Measles, during vast world wide epidemics. Blood tests have shown that folks born before 1954 all are immune (ie, were infected.) It's impossible to guess at the attack rate now because some of the population is immune from vaccines. But Measles is highly contagious. You may catch Measles in an elevator when the infected person has exited one hour before (it hangs in air droplets.)
And, folks have forgotten that there are long term sequelae of wild type Measles, as well, so even after recovery, you never know if it will come back to strike you.

684 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:56:50pm

re: #668 Soccermom

"The anti-vaccine folks have not only done a disservice to kids, but also to parents, too. I'm sure a lot of parents blame themselves for getting their kids vaccinated."

They put the ENTIRE population at risk for disease that could easily be prevented.

685 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:01pm

re: #677 Charles

Holy crap, what the hell is she smoking to come up with that stuff?

686 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:07pm

re: #678 Mich-again

I disagree and here's why- government shouldn't be subsidizing baseball or any other sport. If there's going to be assistance, it should be in the form of infrastructure like roads, sewerage, etc. Nothing else. They want to pay for a big stadium- let them cut the salaries of their players themselves.

687 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:11pm

re: #675 ggt

Cryptonite! Now that is some baaaa/i> stuff. WMD material, I've heard.

Titanium is too light to be effective.........

Lead or DU!

688 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:16pm
689 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:17pm

Some humor - Edmund Blackadder meets Dr. Leech:
(In this episode, Edmund has a new manservant, who really is a girl masquerading as a boy. He wonders why he finds himself attracted to "him")

"Better a quack than a duckie"

690 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:57:42pm

re: #685 BlueCanuck

Holy crap, what the hell is she smoking to come up with that stuff?

Bilderberg 101's

691 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:58:04pm

re: #677 Charles

Wow. That's straight out of the lunatic handbook.

Does she sell nutritional supplements and water purifiers?

692 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:58:06pm

re: #630 Bobblehead

I had them all except for whooping cough. I'm still here but they were no fun and I'm glad the vaccines were there when my son was little.

All 5 of my kids got all the shots going at the time, which was everything except chicken pox. And another that the pediatrician recommended. I don't remember what it was called, but I looked it up and found out it was to protect kids from sickness they could get if their daycare worker didn't wash her hands between changing diapers. Well. My kids were never in daycare or even had a baby sitter. So I didn't think that was necessary. They didn't get that shot. But all the rest, yes.

I have a grandchild due the end of April. First grandchild. :-) I don't know what my daughter-in-law's position will be on this issue, but she's the mother, and it's her decision.

I know one thing... If the vaccines come from China, well, that wouldn't encourage confidence in my mind.

693 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:58:17pm

re: #593 Last Mohican
Hey Last Mohican! I didn't know you were a doctor! I've got this little twinge in my back and.......! LOL!
I just wanted to thank you for including the e-mail addy's for the Naperville, North High School in a link that Charles linked us all too! Several of us e-mailed 'em and they disinvited Ayers! Thank you again!

694 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #677 Charles

She is batshit crazy...one to many shots of this.

695 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:58:24pm

re: #638 MandyManners

It is obvious that I have struck a nerve, Mandy, and I apologize for agitating you. You, however, are not the type of parent I am talking about. I have a schoolteacher friend who has 11 children in one class with this diagnosis. She teaches in one of the lowest performing schools in the state. (90-something percent "free lunch" school, cops patrolling and arresting 4th and 5th graders.) Extremely low parental involvement and support. Children as young as 6 on cocktails of medication for behavior control ....5-6-7 pills a day. The bottom line is these are throw-away kids (a HORRIBLE term) that are dumped in schools by parents who could care less, and to have a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD absolves them from any responsibility for a child who most often only needs attention, guidance, and love. Doping them is easier. It is rampant.

Again, I was speaking of an entirely different situation than that of a child who is truly ADHD.

696 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:16pm

I know this is off topic, but since Obama took command and wants to run the show, why don't we do away with separate states. Why have 50, when we can just have one, with Obama in charge. But it is just a matter of time till he gets caught running around on his wife. Clinton Part Duex.

697 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:21pm

re: #660 nonic

I think you miss my point.

Do you know what the incidence is of death from measles, or deafness or any other complication of any of the childhood diseases? I don't. I think that would be an interesting piece of information.

But my point remains.........if it's true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will develop autism if he gets a shot (which I believe is true -- my kids all had shots), it is also true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will DIE if he doesn't.

Their kid may die. Probably, maybe almost certainly they won't. But if enough people stop vaccinating, more kids will die. And more.

I'm not a scientist, I was a history major, and my grad work is in education. I've read a lot about young people and raising them in past centuries. People lost children, routinely, many of them, to diseases we can now vaccinate against. Some of them we have nearly stamped out through vaccination, worldwide.

It is a person's moral obligation to vaccinate their children unless to do so is absolutely impossible, or extremely risky in their specific circumstance.

BTW, anyone here read a young adult novel titled "Running Out of Time"? It has some connection to this topic.

698 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #677 Charles

Just a little more of "Dr." Lorraine Day's batshit craziness:

How One Wicked Nation Can Kill Billions Around the World With One Lie!

True Bark-at-the-Moon craziness. Ms. Day should be known hereafter as Lunatic Battus Lorrainus.

699 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:35pm

re: #677 Charles

Ah, reminds me of the book recommendation by Hoosier Hoops. The Last Centurion by John Ringo. That exact scenerio played out. Great piece of fiction!

700 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:35pm

re: #607 Charles Shit, that better NOT be a satire site - I've already written my congresscritters and so have several of my friends.

701 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:40pm

re: #671 realwest

Aha. Well listen Bobblehead, my friend, I was born late at night, but it sure as hell wasn't LAST night - I skimmed through the prior thread.
Nice try, though!

It did get rather heated.

702 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 8:59:52pm

re: #654 ggt

I'm not a gun nut, a 2nd Amendment nut. Help me out here. the 5" bullet she is talking about is the actual bullet + the length of the cartridge--right?

Diane has major case of the Anti-Gun madness since her days as a local politician in San Francisco. IIRC, she was in the building when Dan White gunned down George Moscone and Harvey Milk. I think I read that she heard the shots, found Milk's body, and called police.

703 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:00:05pm

re: #666 Last Mohican

There's no mercury in the Hep B vaccines

704 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:00:06pm

re: #701 Bobblehead

It did get rather heated.

Some words were exchanged.

705 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:00:20pm

re: #677 Charles

Charles, I read all the way to the bottom of that Lorraine Day article, and found this:

This is nothing more than Fear-mongering Propaganda!

And What Are Our Sources of Information? Can We Trust Them?

We know that the commercial media, including television and the newspapers, is owned by a handful of people, the vast majority of whom are Zionist Jews. (If you don't believe it, just search the web for the owners and CEOs of the TV networks and the major newspapers.) Here are some of their quotes, demonstrating that we cannot expect to hear truth through their news outlets:

706 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:00:34pm

re: #682 hazzyday

Live foods versus dead foods.

Orange = live
Doritos = dead

Oh but

Orange = hassle
Doritos = yummy

707 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:01:17pm

re: #693 realwest

Hey Last Mohican! I didn't know you were a doctor! I've got this little twinge in my back and.......! LOL!
I just wanted to thank you for including the e-mail addy's for the Naperville, North High School in a link that Charles linked us all too! Several of us e-mailed 'em and they disinvited Ayers! Thank you again!

My pleasure! Glad to contribute to the team effort.

708 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:01:34pm

re: #681 realwest

CNN was calling it the "conficker" virus...in German, "ficken", now that's a "bad" word...

709 Aye Pod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:01:45pm

I'm off to watch The Wire (Aaa-ight) before I hit the sack. Have a good one folks!

710 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:01:47pm

re: #678 Mich-again

Reasons why the Government has a right to control the salaries of Major League baseball players.

1) Municipalities issue bonds for stadium construction funds.
2) Congress gives MLB an anti-trust exemption.
3) Local police departments perform crowd and traffic control at no cost.
4) Foreign baseball players get fast-tracked through immigration proceedings.
5) Baseball teams generate profit from cable TV revenue.

Based on these reasons alone the Federal Government should hold sway over player salaries.

I'll buy you another Ballpark Frank, but no more beer.

711 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:06pm

re: #706 ConservatismNow!

It's all about moderation.

712 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:11pm

re: #685 BlueCanuck

What libs all want. First the Ganza. Next the coke. Next the Meth. You get the picture. All the stuff they want to legalize.

713 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:29pm
714 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:33pm

re: #700 realwest

Shit, that better NOT be a satire site - I've already written my congresscritters and so have several of my friends.

The Washington Examiner is not a satire site. Trust me on this. That email was from either 1) a kook, or 2) a troll trying to trick me into embarrassing myself.

715 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:38pm

re: #705 Last Mohican

Charles, I read all the way to the bottom of that Lorraine Day article, and found this:

I hope you wore your hazmat suit

716 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:45pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

Wassat?

717 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:47pm

re: #672 Brit in Japan

Hi, I'm late to the party.

This was a big deal in the UK too, a few years back, the press even cornered Blair on whether he had had his children get the MMR (and I think he blew the answer, further fueling hysteria).

My question is, where did this idea come from originally? Who first said there was a link, and why?


BiJ.

Newsweek had this on it, a few months ago.

718 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #702 SteveC

Diane has major case of the Anti-Gun madness since her days as a local politician in San Francisco. IIRC, she was in the building when Dan White gunned down George Moscone and Harvey Milk. I think I read that she heard the shots, found Milk's body, and called police.

That's horrible. Truly horrible.

719 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:02:57pm

re: #685 BlueCanuck

Holy crap, what the hell is she smoking to come up with that stuff?

Some indo troof chronic probably. It's got guano from moonbats in it.

720 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #622 Salamantis
IIRC, it killed - or at least didn't stop Steve McQueen from being killed by cancer. Kinda took the sales down a lot.

721 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:03:35pm

re: #705 Last Mohican

Charles, I read all the way to the bottom of that Lorraine Day article, and found this:

Yep, she's a Jew-hater too.

722 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:03:41pm

re: #702 SteveC

Diane has major case of the Anti-Gun madness since her days as a local politician in San Francisco. IIRC, she was in the building when Dan White gunned down George Moscone and Harvey Milk. I think I read that she heard the shots, found Milk's body, and called police.

And then got a permit to carry a handgun.

723 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:04:01pm

re: #705 Last Mohican

Charles, I read all the way to the bottom of that Lorraine Day article, and found this:

It's there, folks; definitive proof that there is a stronger correlation between anti-vaxism and whack-job judenhasse of the old school than there is between vaccination and autism, etc.

(Why is that, anyway? Does Judenhasse cause madness, or does madness cause Judenhasse?)

724 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:04:23pm

re: #696 hous bin pharteen

Hey, it's "Why have 57 states? when The One will do?"

/Obama mode

725 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:04:28pm

re: #677 Charles

Hey Charles, are you sure that Lorraine Day really wrote this stuff? Okay, she's crazy, but is she really this batshit crazy?

The Nuclear Threat Initiative

The Nuclear Threat Initiative is run by Ted Turner who is infamous for wanting to eliminate a large majority of the world's population.

So there we have it. If we're going to evaluate ProMed/ISID, we must realize that its funding (and therefore its control) comes from groups, all of which have the goal of depopulating the earth.

How can we believe anything that comes from ProMed/ISID? Most certainly they would want to promote a Pandemic by propaganda! Nothing could please them more.

Also, anything that comes from the Zionist Jewish-controlled commercial media must be highly suspect!

726 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:04:45pm

How about LSD?


Lowlife Socialist Democrats?

727 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:08pm

The return of Mike:

Charles,
3 1/2 years ago doctors gave my mother 6-8 weeks to live after she quit
chemo.
She only used Lorraine Day's routine for 9 months and then only
minimally and it still brought her 3 more years. Had she actually
applied the routine more consistently,she might not have passed 3 years
after her doctors gave her a month or two.
It's easy to find quirky things people say and #$%^ on them as a result
and dismiss their knowledge and wisdom. Any critic for the NY or LA
Times can do that. I thought LGF was better than that but it seems to
be degenerating very quickly.
Sorry for that.
By the way, I run in 5 languages and walk in 4 more including 4 Asian
languages. What exceptional mental or intellectual ability do you
wield? Oh, I understand you play a musical instrument or 2. Wow! I'm
really impressed.
Best always,
Mike

"Best always!" I love it when kooks end an insulting, abusive, insane email with a polite salutation.

728 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:13pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

It's all about moderation.

Moderation in all some things!

729 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:31pm

re: #693 realwest

Hey Last Mohican! I didn't know you were a doctor! I've got this little twinge in my back and.......! LOL!

Doc it hurts when I do this. (rolls shoulder)

Then don't do that.

Doc, when I drink coffee, I get a sharp pain in my right eye.

Take the spoon out first, you moron.

730 Mich-again  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:33pm

re: #686 Sharmuta

If there's going to be assistance, it should be in the form of infrastructure like roads, sewerage, etc. Nothing else.

At what point does the "assistance" give the Government the right to oversee salaries?

People freak out when a CEO of a Fortune 500 company makes a $1 million. But they don't even bat an eye when a shortstop from Venezuela who can't speak English makes $20 million playing for a team subsidized by taxpayer funds. I don't get it.

731 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:34pm

re: #726 hous bin pharteen

How about LSD?

Lowlife Socialist Democrats?

Vitamin C (constitutionalism) can usually end bad trips pretty quickly, or so I've heard.

732 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:48pm

re: #724 J.S.

Yeah, your write. Thats what Heinz 57 sauce came from.

733 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:05:59pm

re: #714 Charles

I'll double down on troll for that one. The others, definitely kooks.

734 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:00pm

re: #708 J.S.

CNN was calling it the "conficker" virus...in German, "ficken", now that's a "bad" word...

I've done several paranoia level scans the last few days. I shudder to go into work tomorrow. The pranks will be worse then a virus.

735 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:09pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

Hey Charles, are you sure that Lorraine Day really wrote this stuff? Okay, she's crazy, but is she really this batshit crazy?

Yes, that really is her.

736 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:21pm

re: #702 SteveC

Diane has major case of the Anti-Gun madness since her days as a local politician in San Francisco. IIRC, she was in the building when Dan White gunned down George Moscone and Harvey Milk. I think I read that she heard the shots, found Milk's body, and called police.

"US Senator, If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"
Diane Feinstein 60 Minutes, Feb 5 1995

737 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:21pm

re: #727 Charles

Funny. Back when I used to run I would do it in sneakers and not in languages.

//

738 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:34pm

re: #645 jorline
"They've gone mad in Washington- again!" There, FTFY!

739 Palandine  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:45pm

re: #660 nonic

I think you miss my point.

Do you know what the incidence is of death from measles, or deafness or any other complication of any of the childhood diseases? I don't. I think that would be an interesting piece of information.

But my point remains.........if it's true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will develop autism if he gets a shot (which I believe is true -- my kids all had shots), it is also true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will DIE if he doesn't.

I'm dangerously going to reply without being sure my thesis is correct, but...

It seems to me that back when people commonly got these diseases, before there were vaccinations, the natural level of exposure built up some resistance in them. For example, when native peoples were exposed to smallpox for the first time centuries ago, it was an absolute slate-wiper, even though by then it wasn't killing nearly as many Europeans (although obviously it was still dangerous).

It's probably the same way with childhood diseases. When they were more common, before vaccination, people constantly had a little exposure to them and built up some resistance. Now that so many are vaccinated, the immunologically naive don't have the same resistance.

I'm thinking of a measles outbreak we had here in St. Louis and the Metro East some years back. The Christian Scientists don't vaccinate and they don't use medicine. The measles just burned through two Christian Scientist schools (one of them a college), and people _did_ die. It was the choice of those over 18, but I feel bad for the kids.

740 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:57pm

re: #673 Dianna

Bubonic plague is eminently treatable. It's unpleasant - the buboes hurt like the devil - but modern antibiotics knock it right down.

Good to know. But I just grabbed the name out of the air as an example of a really terrible disease.

741 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:06:59pm

ATF person, William Hoover Asst Dir for Field Operations, is talking about straw-purchases, bad FF Dealers and Project Gun-Runner. They are finding more and more explosives --grenades in use. These have also been appearing used in Chicago. Cops here don't have the resources to combat this.

742 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:14pm

re: #727 Charles

Isn't there a logical fallacy that involves "testimonials"?

seriously, Old Gray Cells are very slow these days.

743 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:14pm

Crazy Talk

744 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:17pm

re: #660 nonic

I think you miss my point.

Do you know what the incidence is of death from measles, or deafness or any other complication of any of the childhood diseases? I don't. I think that would be an interesting piece of information.

But my point remains.........if it's true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will develop autism if he gets a shot (which I believe is true -- my kids all had shots), it is also true that it is irresponsible to wrongly scare parents with the false idea that their kid will DIE if he doesn't.

Let me tell you about my uncle, who got rubeola (the red measles) as a toddler. He ran a 106 degree fever for days...my grandmother frantically tried cold baths and anything else the doctors could suggest. He survived, but is profoundly mentallly retarded. He was speaking and playing perfectly normally before the measles. Now he is living in a group home for seriously handicapped adults. Both of my grandparents were quite brilliant, so their son likely had amazing potential.....lost to a disease for which there was no vaccine, and for which there is still no cure.

745 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:18pm

re: #727 Charles

"I hate you! You are a RINO and a stooge for teh pharmasuiticle coprations! Why do you hate teh childrens!1!1

Love,
W. Acko"

746 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:44pm

re: #741 ggt

Cops here don't have the resources incentive to combat this.

/fixed

747 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:46pm

re: #727 Charles

And playing a musical instrument is really easy, right? Anyone can do it.

Just try it sometime. Give up, oh, say, ten years of your life and dedicate it to mastering an instrument, take your pick.

Then get back to us.

748 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:50pm
749 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:08:57pm

It's April 1st and my computer hasn't exploded... is that good or bad?

750 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:09:55pm

re: #749 Basho

It's April 1st and my computer hasn't exploded... is that good or bad?

Wait for it.... wait for it....

////////

751 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:03pm

re: #741 ggt

ATF person, William Hoover Asst Dir for Field Operations, is talking about straw-purchases, bad FF Dealers and Project Gun-Runner. They are finding more and more explosives --grenades in use. These have also been appearing used in Chicago. Cops here don't have the resources to combat this.

Yikes! I'm really worrying about the city of my birth with this news.

752 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:47pm

re: #730 Mich-again

At what point does the "assistance" give the Government the right to oversee salaries?

People freak out when a CEO of a Fortune 500 company makes a $1 million. But they don't even bat an eye when a shortstop from Venezuela who can't speak English makes $20 million playing for a team subsidized by taxpayer funds. I don't get it.

I believe it's called hypocrisy. They like sports, so they're not willing to apply the same logic to their pet pass time as they would a big eeevil CEO.

And- full disclosure: I've defended the outrageous salaries of pro-athletes in the past by pointing out that about half of what we're told their contract is worth is taxes. I do think it's outrageous what they're paid, but until pro sports embraces capitalism, it is what it is.

BTW- I think it would be interesting to see the government make that move to cap their salaries- it would make for some interesting fireworks.

753 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:56pm

re: #722 OldLineTexan

And then got a permit to carry a handgun.

Do as I say, not as I do.

754 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:59pm

Joe: "What are you running in today Nikes or New Balance?"

Bob: "Well today I'm running in Portuguese!"

//

755 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:11:10pm

re: #749 Basho

It's April 1st and my computer hasn't exploded... is that good or bad?

*lights fuse and runs away*

756 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:11:47pm

Speaking of guns:
I listened in tonight on Phil Roe (R-TN) telephone townhall, which he has at least once a month, and he said that TN has i think he said 35000 registered gun owners, and last year not ONE gun crime was committed by a registered gun owner.

757 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:02pm

Sorry. Your "right" Not "write". I am trying to get better with this. That,and improve my eye sight so I don't run into anyone on the race track. As long as their not bat-shit stupid leftist. By then, all bets are off.
"Gee Officer. I thought it was a squirrel running across the track!"

758 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:05pm

re: #751 Dark_Falcon

Daley will blame guns if he doesn't get the Olympics. No mention of the potholes the IOC will most certainly encounter in their visit. Now, he is going to get money from KFC to install their logo on the pot-hole fill-ins.

What a city.

759 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:31pm

re: #727 Charles

Because music is easy. Just as easy as programing an entire website from scratch. Even a caveman can do it. ///

760 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:46pm

re: #739 Palandine

The wild type viruses don't allow for partial immunity. Some hosts will get sicker than others, but there are many factors (including nutrition, variable immune responses, and the complication rates) which could account for the variable survival. The fittest survived. There were subsequent deaths from Tuberculosis, which is potentiated by Measles epidemics. And, these epidemics were a lot worse than you think. Ask someone who remembers them. In the days before vaccines, families would routinely lose children to infection; this was considered the norm for a family.

761 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:46pm

re: #749 Basho

It's April 1st and my computer hasn't exploded... is that good or bad?

I'm fully protected.

I wrapped my laptop in leftover Y2K duct tape.

762 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:54pm

re: #742 ggt

Isn't there a logical fallacy that involves "testimonials"?

seriously, Old Gray Cells are very slow these days.

I think you're talking about anecdotal evidence.

763 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:56pm

re: #749 Basho

It's April 1st and my computer hasn't exploded... is that good or bad?

Yeah, about that; it could just be a hang-fire type of deal. you wanna stay back a safe distance for at least 15 or so minutes before sending up another charge. Double-cap the thing this time, and don't be stingy with the primacord, and it should blow up real good.

764 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:58pm

re: #756 Wishing

Speaking of guns:
I listened in tonight on Phil Roe (R-TN) telephone townhall, which he has at least once a month, and he said that TN has i think he said 35000 registered gun owners, and last year not ONE gun crime was committed by a registered gun owner.

Tennessee requires gun owner registration?

765 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:00pm
766 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:06pm

Whoa. I always thought that this Lorraine Day was just trying to get rich pushing books about wheatgrass juice. But she is absolutely, 100%, both-feet-over-the-line in tin foil hat-land. Look at this:


1 - The media and the New World Order / Zionist Jewish Cabal are using all sorts of hyperbole when discussing this "Bird Flu," exaggerations that are in no way warranted. - When something is REALLY going on, such as Mad Cow Disease or AIDS, especially in the 90's the government was / is covering up and down-playing the truth on both issues. -
...
3 - Even with ALL their efforts, the Illuminati / Zionist Jewish Cabal was not able to propagandize the public enough to get them to believe the lies about SARS! So they had to create, out of thin air "Bird Flu", which is nothing more than SARS "with wings."

Now they can have this - "disease" - flying all over the world, wherever they want it to land (and how convenient to have it land in countries that are the enemies of the Zionist Jews, such as the Arab/Muslim nations of Indonesia, Bali, Iraq, Iran, and the City of Mecca, just in time for the Muslim pilgrimage, and in countries like Turkey and Korea who are both causing political problems for Israel and it's subsidiary the United States. Isn't it amazing that the birds infected with "Bird Flu" seem to gravitate to the countries identified by George W. Bush as the "Axis of Evil!"?
...

Are we really sure that she wrote this stuff? And if she did, why would she be publishing it on a site that also hosts articles like "The Events of 9/11 And Holocaust Inextricably Intertwined Both Fake Stories Shoved Down The Public Throats "

767 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:11pm
768 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:41pm

re: #735 Charles

Sorry, I'm so stunned by this Lorraine Day thing that I keep replying late to your posts.

Wow.

769 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:01pm

re: #762 gmsc

I think you're talking about anecdotal evidence.

Thank You.

770 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:04pm

re: #673 Dianna

Bubonic plague is eminently treatable. It's unpleasant - the buboes hurt like the devil - but modern antibiotics knock it right down.

Why don't we all just go back to the Middle Ages. Nothing modern. Nada. Wouldn't it be better for the Earth? We've got her in a stranglehold right now with global warming all. Let's be natural. Let's huddle around inadequate fires in sod and dung huts. Bad nutrition, no medicine, no sanitation, no nothing! We'd all be dead but Mother Earth will breath a sigh of relief.
//

771 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:07pm

Jeez, I'd never even heard of Lorraine Day before tonight. I guess I wasn't missing much...holy cow what a nutter.

772 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:09pm

re: #764 ggt

Tennessee requires gun owner registration?

Handgun, yes.

773 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:12pm

re: #767 buzzsawmonkey

Watch out for the precious bottly fluids.

774 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:57pm

re: #767 buzzsawmonkey

It's not "Avian Flu"; it's Evian Flu--we're being poisoned by the bottled water hoax!

/jes' climbin' on the nutbar bandwagon

Bottled water is just a ploy to eventually poison us all in 12 years! It was devised by the Bush-Cheney-Halliburton cabal!

//

775 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:12pm

By the way... I've finally visited the Answers in Genesis website. I've heard bad things but the arguments they make are compelling. I never thought evolution was such a theory in crisis. If I was wrong about Darwin maybe I'm wrong about the safety of vaccines. Jenny McCarthy wouldn't be convincing people otherwise if she weren't absolutely sure. Science is great for some things, but maybe it's time to teach the controversy. After all, scientists should test out every possibility.

776 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:16pm

OMG We are all gonna die!

AAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Nina Fedoroff told the BBC One Planet programme that humans had exceeded the Earth's "limits of sustainability".

Dr Fedoroff has been the science and technology advisor to the US secretary of state since 2007, initially working with Condoleezza Rice.

Under the new Obama administration, she now advises Hillary Clinton.

777 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:48pm
778 Basho  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:52pm

re: #775 Basho

April Fools.

779 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:59pm

There are in fact hundreds of examples of people that have thrived under bizarre treatments for both cancer and heart. But they cannot be duplicated with any statistical regularity. The change itself or the mental component may be important. No one knows. Mexico thrives on such poor medicine.
I am familiar with Doctors who moved from disease to disease, strange injections and diets, on cue, with the 'latest' effort to keep people alive, of the disease de jour. The fact is it is all for money. But the patients do live bit longer than prognosed by conventional means. And that means more money to the Doctor quack. But it is a fraud.

780 neomexicon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:01pm

I don't want to die.

781 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:13pm

re: #766 Last Mohican

Whoa. I always thought that this Lorraine Day was just trying to get rich pushing books about wheatgrass juice. But she is absolutely, 100%, both-feet-over-the-line in tin foil hat-land. Look at this:

Are we really sure that she wrote this stuff? And if she did, why would she be publishing it on a site that also hosts articles like "The Events of 9/11 And Holocaust Inextricably Intertwined Both Fake Stories Shoved Down The Public Throats "

See, whatever else you can say about her "alternative medicine" the lady clearly needs massive doses of b vitamins (niacin and b-12 in particular), a good talking-to, and a couple dozen ounds of electro-convulsive therapy to help snap her out of it.

Alternately, you could hit her up with curare or some other paralytic agent, put her on a ventilator, and then dose her up with a little LSD. Might be just the thing to bring her back to her senses, or to confirm her worst fears. But fun, either way.

782 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:17pm

re: #775 Basho

Forgot your sarc tag.

/I hope you did.....

783 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:22pm

re: #776 Racer X

OMG We are all gonna die!

AAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Hey, with these guys in power I look forward to dying. //

784 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:31pm

After seeing Slumdog Millionaire, I can't help thinking of a scene in the movie when I hear or see a bottle of water. The brothers, featured in the film, got a job in a restaurant in Mumbai. One of their duties in the kitchen was to refill the bottles from the tap and use super glue to seal the cap.

HA!

785 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:34pm

re: #678 Mich-again
And that control should be retroactive, too.
Oh, wait a minute though - don't those players belong to a UNION?
In which case that proposed law couldn't possibly apply to them!

786 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:02pm

re: #772 Wishing

Handgun, yes.

didn't know that.

787 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:07pm

re: #775 Basho

By the way... I've finally visited the Answers in Genesis website. I've heard bad things but the arguments they make are compelling. I never thought evolution was such a theory in crisis. If I was wrong about Darwin maybe I'm wrong about the safety of vaccines. Jenny McCarthy wouldn't be convincing people otherwise if she weren't absolutely sure. Science is great for some things, but maybe it's time to teach the controversy. After all, scientists should test out every possibility.

In 2 hours and 45 minutes on the West Coast I'll agree with you......

788 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:08pm

re: #758 ggt

Daley will blame guns if he doesn't get the Olympics. No mention of the potholes the IOC will most certainly encounter in their visit. Now, he is going to get money from KFC to install their logo on the pot-hole fill-ins.

What a city.

To be fair to Daley, Chicago has had a brutal winter as far as potholes go. The city has put its all into patching them but it has a lot to do.

789 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:14pm

re: #673 Dianna

If you catch it in time. And that's a big if, because the early symptoms look like the flu, from what I've read.

790 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:43pm

re: #780 neomexicon

I don't want to die.

hate to be the one to break it to you, but you will.

791 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:02pm

re: #779 pat

self-fulling prophecy is a powerful thing.

792 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:26pm

re: #790 Guanxi88

hate to be the one to break it to you, but you will.

At least you were gentle.

793 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:44pm

re: #776 Racer X

OMG We are all gonna die!

Yeah, yeah, ya. Speak for yourself. You all want to bitch, moan, and cry.
Im already dead, so quit your bitching!

794 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:58pm

re: #788 Dark_Falcon

I have a hard time with Daley.

795 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:11pm

re: #789 funky chicken

If you catch it in time. And that's a big if, because the early symptoms look like the flu, from what I've read.

The flea bites tend to be a dead give-away, at least in areas (like some parts of various mountainous regions) where there's a few cases every year.

796 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:05pm
797 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #796 buzzsawmonkey

The Marx Brothers beat 'em to it.

In "Horsefeathers," Chico plays a bootlegger. He answers a phone call where the caller asks, "Have you got Scotch?" He picks up an empty bottle and says, "Yeah, I got Scotch." "Have you got bourbon?" asks the caller. "Yeah, I got bourbon," answers Chico, looking at another empty bottle. "OK, I'll take one Scotch and one bourbon," says the caller.

Chico takes out a large jug, two funnels, puts one funnel in each bottle, and fills them both from the same jug.

ha!

798 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:30pm

re: #795 Dianna

The flea bites tend to be a dead give-away, at least in areas (like some parts of various mountainous regions) where there's a few cases every year.

Every year in Calif. when I lived there, anyway, they would close parks or wilderness areas due to bubonic plague for some time each summer.

799 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:33pm

re: #697 SanFranciscoZionist

People also used to die in childbirth, of simple infections, of conditions and events that we perform routine surgery for now. Times change. And good thing.

But it's interesting to me that there was a whole bunch of "common childhood diseases" that people took completely for granted just 50-some years ago -- millions and millions of us still alive today who had all those diseases -- and yet today, now, there is an entire younger population absolutely convinced that measles, for one, is a stalking killer out of the Middle Ages.

If nothing else, I'd hazard a guess that the pharmaceutical companies have done a very good job in marketing their potions.

800 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #780 neomexicon
" I don't want to die."


It does suck. They don't even serve you beer after it happens.

801 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:19pm

re: #784 ggt

After seeing Slumdog Millionaire, I can't help thinking of a scene in the movie when I hear or see a bottle of water. The brothers, featured in the film, got a job in a restaurant in Mumbai. One of their duties in the kitchen was to refill the bottles from the tap and use super glue to seal the cap.

HA!

802 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:35pm

re: #705 Last Mohican
Oh great, batshit crazy and an Anti-Semite - pardon the redundancy there!

803 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:39pm

re: #789 funky chicken

If you catch it in time. And that's a big if, because the early symptoms look like the flu, from what I've read.

Nasty business that Bubonic Plague. It used to be taught that 1/3 of the population of Europe perished during the outbreak in the 1340's but now I've read it was closer to 1/2.

804 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:50pm

re: #367 bushleague

From Charles' link:
"Unfortunately, for current and future parents of children with autism, the controversy surrounding vaccines has caused attention and resources to focus away from a number of promising leads."

As the parent of an autistic child, this is what frustrates me the most. Wakefield should be jailed for perpetrating this fraud. The fight for resources that families with autistic children have is staggering. People lose homes and families are torn apart chasing false hopes propagated by those who prey on the need for hope or, failing that, the need to find someone to blame.

On a related topic, Thomas Sowell has written a book Late Talking Children {title may vary in particulars} about children who are not autistic and not retarded but who are nevertheless unusually late in talking. That also puts a tremendous strain on a marriage; each spouse suspects that he or she may have contributed faulty genes, in which case there would be no escape from karma, but what if it's the other? Then a different partner would "fix the problem." The sad thing in this kind of case is that the parents need not have despaired so quickly. Some late-talking children are just on a different developmental track and will eventually get into the normal range across the board, and not unfrequently, out the top end of the range with respect to scientific and mathematical talent.

Authorities who are unaware of the phenomenon can be insistent that it's retardation, or autism, or whatever their hobby horse is. "The man who has a hammer thinks everything is a nail" story.

805 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:53pm

re: #745 ArchangelMichael

I thought for a moment there you wrote "copulations" instead of "coprations". My bad.

806 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:03pm
Charles,
3 1/2 years ago doctors gave my mother 6-8 weeks to live after she quit
chemo.
She only used Lorraine Day's routine for 9 months and then only
minimally and it still brought her 3 more years... Yadda, yadda, yadda!

My turn:

Charles;

42 years ago a world famous Cardiologist told my parent that their son had hours to live and he needed heart surgery right now. I had that surgery, and two more since.

I currently receive specialized medical care for my defective heart at a major medical center (Emory University Hospital in Atlanta). I take eleven different medications and have a pacemaker, and follow a diet that is designed to keep my ticker tickin'. Whenever I have a problem, the ONLY people who treat me have the letters MD or RN after their names. These people are not just doctors, they are my Weapon of Choice.
Tell Mike that the cure to most ailments start with pulling his head out of his ass.

Best always;

SteveC

807 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:05pm

re: #794 ggt

I have a hard time with Daley.

So do I. But he does push hard to get the streets in good order. I don't like his leftism, and he's facing a real crime problem. He needs to stop blaming guns and start putting criminals away.

808 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:45pm

GITMO is really not that bad.

A "relaxing, calm, beautiful place" may not be everyone's description of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States holds about 240 prisoners in a detention center that has drawn condemnation from around the world.

But this was the opinion of reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza of Venezuela, who visited the U.S. naval facility in eastern Cuba this month on a trip organized by the United Service Organizations (USO) which supports U.S. troops.

Caracas-born Mendoza, 22, who visited the facility March 20-25 along with Miss USA Crystle Stewart, 27, enthused about her Guantanamo trip as an "incredible experience" in a blog entry posted on the Miss Universe website dated March 27, 2009.

"It was a loooot of fun!," Mendoza wrote, describing how she and Stewart met U.S. military personnel and took rides around the camp, which is encircled by a barbed-wire fenced, minefields and watchtowers. She said they also visited a bar on the base and the "unbelievable" beach there.

"We visited the Detainees camps and we saw the jails, where they shower, how the(y) recreate themselves with movies, classes of art, books. It was very interesting," she wrote.

"I didn't want to leave, it was such a relaxing place, so calm and beautiful," she added.

809 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:52pm

re: #714 Charles
I DO trust you Charles, that's why I wrote the letters and e-mails that I did and so did my friends (some of whom are fellow LGFer's).

810 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:02pm

re: #799 nonic

and yet today, now, there is an entire younger population absolutely convinced that measles, for one, is a stalking killer out of the Middle Ages.

With all the people swayed by these anti-vaccinarians running about, there is a danger that MMR will run rampant and kill kids who are not protected.
Scary and sad.

811 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:27pm

re: #792 Wishing

At least you were gentle.

Still, we should all try to look surprised. Azrael would be super-pissed if he thought we knew he was coming.

812 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:45pm

re: #803 Bobblehead

They called that "The Dark Ages" for a reason. It is hard to see when you are allready dead.

813 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:30pm

bbiab

814 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:36pm

re: #758 ggt

When is the IOC scheduled to select the 2016 city?

815 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:52pm

re: #806 SteveC

Weapon of Choice:

816 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:59pm

re: #807 Dark_Falcon

So do I. But he does push hard to get the streets in good order. I don't like his leftism, and he's facing a real crime problem. He needs to stop blaming guns and start putting criminals away.

Seattle has about .5 murders for 100,000 people.
1 in 25 in WA has a concealed weapons permit.

817 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:04pm

re: #795 Dianna

The flea bites tend to be a dead give-away, at least in areas (like some parts of various mountainous regions) where there's a few cases every year.

How was dinner with your male?

818 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:23pm

re: #766 Last Mohican

Whoa. I always thought that this Lorraine Day was just trying to get rich pushing books about wheatgrass juice. But she is absolutely, 100%, both-feet-over-the-line in tin foil hat-land. Look at this:

Are we really sure that she wrote this stuff? And if she did, why would she be publishing it on a site that also hosts articles like "The Events of 9/11 And Holocaust Inextricably Intertwined Both Fake Stories Shoved Down The Public Throats "

Search for her name on Google and check out her website.

Yes, she really is that insane. Don't miss "The Truth About Politics, Religion, and Health."

819 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #811 Guanxi88

Still, we should all try to look surprised. Azrael would be super-pissed if he thought we knew he was coming.

Azrael...or Azalel?
skeert now....

820 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:31pm

re: #798 Wishing

Every year in Calif. when I lived there, anyway, they would close parks or wilderness areas due to bubonic plague for some time each summer.

I grew up in San Bernardino County, and they did that, as well. There are, or used to be, about 20 cases a year.

821 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:42pm
822 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:45pm

re: #795 Dianna

The flea bites tend to be a dead give-away, at least in areas (like some parts of various mountainous regions) where there's a few cases every year.

The only part of the U.S. where bubonic plague is found is the Southwest. It's also found in Russia, India, Vietnam, and Africa.

Fleas are implicated in 85% of human cases.

The overall death rate is 16%. Lower than that during outbreaks, because people are more alert to the presence of the disease and catch it sooner.

823 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:26pm

re: #818 Charles

Don't miss "The Truth About Politics, Religion, and Health."

I can hardly wait...

824 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:57pm

Sorry. I could not help it. Don't stone me!

825 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:20pm

re: #388 HoosierHoops

And there are other things a sys admin can do. The only escape is probably to fdisk the hard drive and turn the pc off.

826 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:32pm

Remember, Ashley Biden is a democrat's daughter, so her actions in no way a reflect badly on her parents.

If she was a republican's daughter, like Bristol Palin, we'd never hear the end of it!

Want to Know More About Joe Biden’s Daughter? Snow Problem!

Are you a fan of the War on Drugs? Sure, who isn’t? And over the years, there’s been no bigger drug warrior than Vice President Joe Biden. As a senator, he championed laws against shipping drug paraphernalia though the mail, going to raves, and using marijuana for medical reasons. He helped create the Office of National Drug Control Policy. He even coined the term “drug czar.” So if you or someone you know has been affected by America’s draconian approach to drug enforcement, or if you just get a kick out of your tax money being thrown at one failed drug-prevention effort after another, you can thank your old buddy Joe.

Which makes it particularly interesting that his daughter Ashley might have been caught on video snorting cocaine.

827 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:35pm

re: #815 Dark_Falcon

Second greatest video ever made. Thanks.

828 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:38pm

re: #815 Dark_Falcon

Weapon of Choice:

Love that video. The man can dance, can't he? :)

829 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:46pm

re: #808 Racer X

GITMO is really not that bad.

She has lovely eyes, and she keeps them open. Hooray for sanity: its a beautiful thing.

830 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:51pm

re: #803 Bobblehead

Nasty business that Bubonic Plague. It used to be taught that 1/3 of the population of Europe perished during the outbreak in the 1340's but now I've read it was closer to 1/2.

Remember, it had gone pneumonic (directly transmitted person-to-person), and it struck a population that had suffered near famine conditions for a couple decades. Between 1/3 and 1/2 is probably a good estimate.

831 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:53pm

re: #670 rawmuse

thanks, gonna go look for it

832 Jimash  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:19pm

re: #766 Last Mohican

A sarc tag would improve your post. ( for me anyway)

833 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:36pm

re: #828 SteveC

Love that video. The man can dance, can't he? :)

Yes he can. ;)

834 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:56pm

re: #817 gmsc

How was dinner with your male?

Nice. We just went down to Panera and had soup and sandwiches, but it was hot, tasty and we didn't have to clean up.

835 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:02pm

re: #819 Wishing

Azrael...or Azalel?
skeert now....

Well, I always heard it as Azrael; Azriel, etc.,

Still, Time is on My Side....

836 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:04pm

OT:

On Wednesday the North's Korean Central Broadcasting Station denounced US spy planes for monitoring launch preparations.

"Should the US imperialist racketeers dare to intrude espionage planes into our territorial sky, interfering with our preparations for a satellite launch for peaceful purposes, our revolutionary forces will shoot them down unsparingly," it said.


I'm kind of partial to "capitalist yankee running dogs", myself...on a style points scale of one to ten, I give it a six.

837 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:33pm

re: #825 hazzyday

And there are other things a sys admin can do. The only escape is probably to fdisk the hard drive and turn the pc off.

Nuke and Pave! The last option of a hard disk life!

/Hums It's a hard disk life.

838 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:36pm

re: #670 rawmuse

Logging off to download the latest Safari security fix, which just popped up.

Turned out to be a past due update on my wife's laptop, on which I become a Lizard from time to time.

839 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:48pm

re: #739 Palandine

Your theory sounds plausible.

Do you know what the incidence was of complications, death and other complications in the St. Louis outbreak? Did it vary from what was considered the normal incidence of complications back in the bad old days? Just wondering.

Of course, when I was a kid, nobody (or very nearly nobody) was dying of illicit drug overdoses, very few kids were dying from drunk driving compared to today, STD's weren't rampant in the teenage and young adult population. Kids weren't shooting or knifing each other in the street with the same level of enthusiasm as today. Times change, things change.

840 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:30:04pm

re: #822 Last Mohican

The only part of the U.S. where bubonic plague is found is the Southwest. It's also found in Russia, India, Vietnam, and Africa.

Fleas are implicated in 85% of human cases.

The overall death rate is 16%. Lower than that during outbreaks, because people are more alert to the presence of the disease and catch it sooner.

Growing up where I did, I knew people who'd had it. I never heard of people dying, though.

841 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:30:18pm

re: #125 RightMinded

That was very interesting. I also found the comment (posted after the story) regarding the timing of tylenol (when it was introduced as "safe" for pregnant women) interesting as well.

842 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:00pm

re: #414 MandyManners

That's what I've been wondering about.

The SCIAM report someone listed early makes the point that new diagnosis counts for a percentage increase and that genetics don't explain the swift change well enough. And that leaves environment.

843 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:00pm

I just realized how OCD I am. I just arranged my bookmarks into categories.

844 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:04pm

re: #832 Jimash

A sarc tag would improve your post. ( for me anyway)

Can't give ya one this time. That site where Lorraine Day's article is posted really does have another article called "The Events of 9/11 And Holocaust Inextricably Intertwined Both Fake Stories Shoved Down The Public Throats."

I would have suggested that they quoted her without her permission, but her own thoughts are equally insane.

845 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:17pm

re: #799 nonic

Big Pharma is ripping us off? Wild type Measles is 10 days of high fever, conjunctivitis, photophobia (need to stay in the dark), a miserable red rash, cough,
and the worst "cold" symptoms that you ever had. It exacerbates Tuberculosis, in infected folks, and it is known to lead to the complications of ear infections with deafness. All in all, pretty grim, especially in a large family (10 days for each kid.) It's highly contagious (can be caught in a room one hour after the infected person has exited.) And, there's a long term complication (Sub acute sclerosing encephalitis) that can show up years later, and lead to complete neurological deterioration. This is so rare since the vaccine was initiated, that I can't find it on the Internet (just in books.) Don't underestimate this disease.

There's a vaccine, takes two shots, and has lifetime immunity, in most cases. Even if the vaccine causes a reaction (rarely) the complications (especially the lethal ones) never ensue.
I say that the Vaccine is worth it.

846 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:26pm
847 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:33pm

re: #749 Basho
Hey April 1st still has over 23 hours to go, ya know! Charles though that the threat was valid, so yesterday and today I backed up all my doc's and today made restoration disks. If nothing should happen, then I still have my back up and restore diskettes (DVD's).
Motivated me to finally do what I shoulda done a while ago!

848 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:05pm

re: #696 hous bin pharteen

I know this is off topic, but since Obama took command and wants to run the show, why don't we do away with separate states. Why have 50, when we can just have one, with Obama in charge. But it is just a matter of time till he gets caught running around on his wife. Clinton Part Duex.

Get a clue. The president has his faults, but skirt chasing is insanely dangerous for a president, he's got an exceptionally good looking and toned wife so there's no possible reason to prowl, and he has things he wants to do that he won't be able to get done if he takes foolish chances for self-indulgent and self-defeating reasons. Even if he's your enemy, prudence requires you respect the possibility that he's an effective enemy.

849 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:47pm

re: #836 capitalist piglet

I'm kind of partial to "capitalist yankee running dogs", myself...on a style points scale of one to ten, I give it a six.

Actual message received by COMSUBPAC during World War II:

(Submarine name) involved in running gun battle. Destroyer gunning, we're running.

Smart, smart man.

850 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:52pm

Firepower!

851 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:55pm

re: #846 buzzsawmonkey

2000 Quatloos on Ms. Day!

852 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:04pm

Good evening, lizards, have been trying to catch up with the thread.

Just heard six gunshots down the street from my house. Creepy.

853 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:11pm

From 2005

Polio Outbreak Occurs Among Amish Families In Minnesota

The oral vaccine, which is still used in most places in the world, is made of a live but severely weakened strain of polio virus. The vaccine virus can be passed person to person, although it rarely becomes part of a prolonged "chain of transmission" because most people in a population are vaccinated and cannot be infected.

Occasionally, however, a vaccine strain circulates for years, passed from one unvaccinated child to another. When that happens, it undergoes genetic mutation that can restore the dangerousness of the "wild" virus.

Those who don't get immunized pose a health threat to the rest of us.

854 acwgusa  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:17pm

re: #848 lostlakehiker

Get a clue. The president has his faults, but skirt chasing is insanely dangerous for a president, he's got an exceptionally good looking and toned wife so there's no possible reason to prowl, and he has things he wants to do that he won't be able to get done if he takes foolish chances for self-indulgent and self-defeating reasons. Even if he's your enemy, prudence requires you respect the possibility that he's an effective enemy.

Plus, I think the O is scared that Michelle would kick his ass clear into Florida from DC if he did cheat.

855 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:34:57pm

re: #854 acwgusa

Plus, I think the O is scared that Michelle would kick his ass clear into Florida from DC if he did cheat.

Plus, I don't think he is the least bit interested in chasing a *skirt*.

856 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:22pm

re: #812 hous bin pharteen

They called that "The Dark Ages" for a reason. It is hard to see when you are allready dead.

The English and Italians were great chroniclers. Lots of interesting reading from the plague years. You know one Italian chronicler I read had the same concerns about seeing children sick and dying from the disease as we do today. It broke his heart to sit in the town square and watch the children playing around the fountain disappear one by one. Human nature remains the same.

857 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:29pm

re: #848 lostlakehiker

he's got an exceptionally good looking and toned wife


Yeah, right. I thought you were serious there for a minute. Hehehe......

858 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:29pm

re: #850 Gus 802

Firepower!


[Video]

small time.....

big time......

859 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:51pm

re: #846 buzzsawmonkey

So--we gonna have a cage match between Lorraine Day and Cynthia McKinney at the big Lizard Convention?

Thunderthighdome!

Two nutcases enter, and then we look the door behind them and throw the key away. :D

860 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:18pm

re: #752 Sharmuta
"I believe it's called hypocrisy" - understatement of the year so far. This is the congress that last year earned an 11% approval rating, the lowest in the history of keeping track of these things and this year they allowed a pay raise to go into effect AND gave themselves each an additional $93,000 "expense" account.
And they are gonna judge the performance of thousands of employees of any one company? Bullshit.
Oh and on a side note, Kathryn Selebus (sp?) today admitted that she owed about $7,000 in taxes. That is, of course, almost a requirement to work for Obama.

861 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:32pm

re: #834 Dianna

Nice. We just went down to Panera and had soup and sandwiches, but it was hot, tasty and we didn't have to clean up.

The mushroom and wild rice soup perhaps?

862 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:35pm

re: #845 FightingBack

Other complications of measles (yes, I do have Harrison's in front of me right now):

croup
bronchitis
bronchiolitis
interstitial giant cell pneumonia (in otherwise sick kids)
hepatitis
acute glomerular nephritis
severe birth defects if a pregnant woman is infected (20% of fetuses die)
bacterial pneumonia
encephalomyelitis (1 in 1000 cases)
thrombocytopenia

And I actually have seen one real live case of SSPE.

863 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:49pm

re: #858 jcm

small time.....

big time......

16" naval guns: accept no substitutes.

864 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:54pm

re: #852 Pvt Bin Jammin

At night? Take your M16 down the street and clean them out, Private.

865 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:11pm

re: #856 Bobblehead

You would think so. But if that Italian writer knew about vaccines, he wouldn't be shouting lies concerning an unrelated, devastating condition, to doom the vaccines, and bring the wild type disease back to Earth. And many are doing just that.

866 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:18pm

re: #855 Wishing

Plus, I don't think he is the least bit interested in chasing a *skirt*.

That's a hell of a claim. Got anything to back it up?

/give him all the grief he deserves, but make it legit. Don't just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

867 That's Mr. President to you  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:45pm

Just thought I would pop in and say "Hi".

No questions please.

But I did want to point out that the planet already is over capacity and has too many people on it.

Since this is the era of responsibility, I am asking all of my political adversaries to do themselves in.

Thank you.

868 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:02pm

re: #858 jcm

small time.....

big time......

[Video]

Oh yeah?! //

869 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:12pm

re: #866 SteveC

That's a hell of a claim. Got anything to back it up?

/give him all the grief he deserves, but make it legit. Don't just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

Just my impression of the guy. He aint interested.

870 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:50pm

re: #862 Last Mohican

Thanks. Now if I can just get you on board with the Hep B vax? Really, there's no mercury preservative in it. And it's easier to get compliance with infants.

871 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:57pm

re: #814 Macker

When is the IOC scheduled to select the 2016 city?

dunno

872 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:40:12pm

re: #862 Last Mohican

As I related in the previous thread my sister's face got so swollen she didn't look like my sister anymore. Being a youngster myself, I was really scared for her.

873 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:40:41pm

re: #867 That's Mr. President to you

Just thought I would pop in and say "Hi".

No questions please.

But I did want to point out that the planet already is over capacity and has too many people on it.

Since this is the era of responsibility, I am asking all of my political adversaries to do themselves in.

Thank you.

I'd prefer to require lefties to stop breeding.

874 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:40:52pm

re: #695 pink freud

Thank you for that clarification, Pink. As a mother of two sons - one with ADD and one with ADHD, I can agree with Mandy - we searched for answers for a VERY long time before resigning ourselves to the fact our boys needed meds. We started on the lowest dose possible and went from there. They are not medicated zombies, they are highly functioning young men now, and are at the age where they can choose to have a "medication vacation" if they're just going to hang at home.

I have a very dear friend who teaches the very sort ofchildren you wrote about, and I agree with you - sometimes the parents AND the schools just find it easier to medicate.

875 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #822 Last Mohican

The only part of the U.S. where bubonic plague is found is the Southwest. It's also found in Russia, India, Vietnam, and Africa.

Fleas are implicated in 85% of human cases.

The overall death rate is 16%. Lower than that during outbreaks, because people are more alert to the presence of the disease and catch it sooner.

Would DDT take care of the fleas?

876 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:42pm

" prudence requires you respect the possibility that he's an effective enemy."


He, he. he..............You crack me up!

877 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:10pm

re: #788 Dark_Falcon Hi Dark_Falcon! Um, why do you want to be fair to Daley?
Has he ever been fair to you - think about it for a minute!

878 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:27pm

re: #843 acwgusa

I find myself arranging Skittles into little piles of the same colors.

879 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:36pm

re: #870 FightingBack

Thanks. Now if I can just get you on board with the Hep B vax? Really, there's no mercury preservative in it. And it's easier to get compliance with infants.

Okay, I looked that up too. Since 2000, both Recombivax and Energix are thimerosal-free. I'm running out of objections.

880 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:52pm

re: #864 hous bin pharteen

At night? Take your M16 down the street and clean them out, Private.

LOL

It's a little scarier than usual right now because we had an officer involved shooting in February and the investigation found that the officer's were justified. Unfortunately, some folks around here don't agree. I hear the chopper now.

881 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:21pm

re: #866 SteveC

But I have nothing better to do.

882 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:27pm

re: #876 hous bin pharteen

" prudence requires you respect the possibility that he's an effective enemy."

He, he. he..............You crack me up!

Look, Machiavelli himself suggested that whenever you see an enemy committing an obvious blunder, you must assume it's a trick or part of a larger plan. That's prudence.

Still, I can't decide whether Barry's a hopelessly incompetent President, a brilliantly effective saboteur, or one from column A and one from Column B

883 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:40pm

re: #865 FightingBack

You would think so. But if that Italian writer knew about vaccines, he wouldn't be shouting lies concerning an unrelated, devastating condition, to doom the vaccines, and bring the wild type disease back to Earth. And many are doing just that.

You are correct! That's what I do not understand about all this anti-science crap. We are so lucky. Those idiots need to spend a little time reading about real human suffering a la Middle Ages.

884 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:53pm

re: #868 Gus 802

Oh yeah?! //


[Video]

57 MT..........

885 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:05pm

re: #875 ggt

Would DDT take care of the fleas?

That's an interesting thought. I don't know.

886 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:14pm

re: #511 Charles

Questionable Cancer Therapies: Max Gerson:

I think wisdom would dictate for anyone that pursues alternatives therapies to have a traditional doctor consulting.

Micheal Landon pursued a non traditional therapy towards the end of his illness but realized it didn't help him.

I am not sure but I think Chinese Medicine grew anecdotely over a long period of time. Some of it valuable and some of it still mythically placeboish.

887 Timbre  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:25pm

And here's some old mail from the Muslim Community Association of Ann Arbor: According to these Salafists, they sure have a lot of enemies.

And don't ask me why they announced in August there would be no September 2001 issue. They had a September issue in both 2000 and 2002.

By the way, these people routinely refer to disbelievers (us) as "enemies of Islam." See [Link: www.mca-aa.org...] the paragraph:

4. Because it refutes the doubts that are
stirred up by the enemies of Islam,
kuffaar (disbelievers) and munaafiqeen
(hypocrites) alike, as in the following
examples from the early days of Islam:
888 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:36pm

re: #878 BaseballMom57

I find myself arranging Skittles into little piles of the same colors.

Now, here's the question - do you need to do this sorting to feel safe, comfortable, and at ease? If you don't do this, is your day a crappy one until you do?

889 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:36pm

I return in time to see Feinstein zoning in on the FF Dealers. No mention of any other source of guns or trafficking or actually prosecuting the criminals who are not FF Dealers.

890 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:38pm

My family has an interesting gene that makes us resistant to the Bubonic Plaque. Means my ancestors went through some bad times.

891 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:46pm

re: #867 That's Mr. President to you

Good luck on that. Why don't you start with your cabinet. ;)

/whole bipartisanship thing you know, leading by example.......

892 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:53pm

re: #882 Guanxi88

Still, I can't decide whether Barry's a hopelessly incompetent President, a brilliantly effective saboteur, or one from column A and one from Column B

Yes.

893 Rageman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:56pm

Larraine Day is a certified wack-job.

894 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:07pm

re: #880 Pvt Bin Jammin

A Cobra gunship?
COOL!

895 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:09pm

re: #744 funky chicken

I'm sorry, really, that you uncle was injured by rubella. But without knowing something about the statistical chance of an injury that severe, compared to the statistical chance of a comparable injury as a result of a treatment, his story is the heart-breaking anecdote of one tragedy, not a scientific proof.

896 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:36pm

re: #884 jcm

57 MT..........

[Video]

No! Not the hydrogen bomb!

The doomsday machine.

I like the music. Holst.

897 pat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:44pm

re: #887 Timbre

pig fuckers

898 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:01pm

re: #882 Guanxi88
Never atribute to malice that which can more easily be ascribed to stupidity.

899 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:56pm

re: #888 Guanxi88

Ha ha - I have no idea. I just pour the bag out on my desk, arrange them, and then start eating them one color at a time. I crack myself up when I realize what I've done, or when someone else points it out to me.

900 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:47:04pm

re: #860 realwest

"I believe it's called hypocrisy" - understatement of the year so far. This is the congress that last year earned an 11% approval rating, the lowest in the history of keeping track of these things and this year they allowed a pay raise to go into effect AND gave themselves each an additional $93,000 "expense" account.
And they are gonna judge the performance of thousands of employees of any one company? Bullshit.
Oh and on a side note, Kathryn Selebus (sp?) today admitted that she owed about $7,000 in taxes. That is, of course, almost a requirement to work for Obama.

Now, would anyone dare to draw the line that so many "qualfiied" candidates have not paid their taxes, perhaps the taxes are unfair/too high? Perhaps, just perhaps, taxes should be lowered?

901 wee fury  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:47:30pm

re: #871 ggt

dunno

Ely, Minnesota wants the 2016 IOC.

902 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:47:42pm

re: #862 Last Mohican

Other complications of measles (yes, I do have Harrison's in front of me right now):

severe birth defects if a pregnant woman is infected (20% of fetuses die)

New research presented at the American College of Cardiology meeting today says there may be a connection between maternal Strep Throat and Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome.

903 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:47:50pm

Time to hit the sack...good night all.

904 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:47:51pm

re: #886 hazzyday

I think wisdom would dictate for anyone that pursues alternatives therapies to have a traditional doctor consulting.

Micheal Landon pursued a non traditional therapy towards the end of his illness but realized it didn't help him.

I am not sure but I think Chinese Medicine grew anecdotely over a long period of time. Some of it valuable and some of it still mythically placeboish.

Yeah, I'll support the assessment of the TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine); every competent TCM teacher and practitioner I know - and I know a good many - will tell you that for cancer, you want an oncologist. TCM has some ideas about prevention, and maybe some things they can do to help you get through treatment, but any TCM'er worth his or her moxa will tell you to go see a Western physician. Same goes double for cardiac, pulmonary, etc. The only folks, in my experience, who currently shhot off their mouths about the ability of TCM to cure cancer, etc., are westerners; crystal-clutching hippies of the first water.

905 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:05pm

re: #874 BaseballMom57

I really feel like "I stepped in it" here, baseballmom, and I sincerely apologize to those dedicated parents who have known the uphill and frustrating battle to do the very best for their children. I am glad that you know of a similar situation to the ones I spoke of. Bottom line is, it's apples and oranges, trying to compare children who have ADD/ADHD to those who are "zombiefied" at the direction of don't-give-a-damn parents.

One other thing I would like to add ...working with a college population is even worse. These kids go into counseling services, fake the necessary (subjective) symptoms, get the meds, and then pass them around (sell them) to other kids cramming for tests. Ritalin and Adderall are two of the most abused drugs on college campuses.

906 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:19pm

re: #818 Charles

Search for her name on Google and check out her website.

Yes, she really is that insane. Don't miss "The Truth About Politics, Religion, and Health."

I just dont hang around with insane people. Its just too catchy. One minute you are psychologically ok, the next checking your oven for gremlins .. whisking the room with olive oil to prevent bad juju and carting around lavender in your top pocket for good luck.

If that sounds like I didnt just make it up, I know someone who was ok .. and now .. lets just say he makes strawberry jelly look mentally strong.

907 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:20pm

re: #879 Last Mohican

It's tough to get older kids and teens in to get shots.
The babies are compliant, and not apprehensive; and smiling in an instant, in my hands.
BTW, it is combined with Polio/ DTaP these days, so it's not even an extra shot.

908 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:22pm

re: #867 That's Mr. President to you

Just thought I would pop in and say "Hi".

No questions please.

But I did want to point out that the planet already is over capacity and has too many people on it.

Since this is the era of responsibility, I am asking all of my political adversaries to do themselves in.

Thank you.

IMHO, if the planet was overcapacity, the planet would take care of the problem. NO matter what the whacko's think, the planet is more powerful than we humans will ever be.

909 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:43pm

re: #898 swamprat

Never atribute to malice that which can more easily be ascribed to stupidity.

True; I'm just tellin' ya what Nikki Mack told me, that's all.

910 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:44pm

re: #806 SteveC
Wow SteveC - that's really some story - you've had a really rough row to hoe my friend.
But I think you can also trust someone with a P.A> (for Physicians Assistant, too - they are very well educated and trained and can prescribe medications as well. So make it M.D., P.A. and R.N.
And best of luck to you my friend.
Do they give you any grief at airports over the pacemaker?

911 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:01pm

re: #877 realwest

Hi Dark_Falcon! Um, why do you want to be fair to Daley?
Has he ever been fair to you - think about it for a minute!

No, he hasn't been fair to me. But honesty compels me to admit that he does do some things right. He does understand the importance of road repairs and he works hard to see that job done right. I was just giving credit where it is due.

912 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:30pm

re: #884 jcm

The Cylons dropped multiples of these all over Caprica and the other Colonies...they didn't frak around, they wanted all of Humanity destroyed. And they came close

913 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:49pm

re: #884 jcm

Wondered when some one would get around to that one.

914 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:57pm

re: #899 BaseballMom57

Ha ha - I have no idea. I just pour the bag out on my desk, arrange them, and then start eating them one color at a time. I crack myself up when I realize what I've done, or when someone else points it out to me.

Holy crap! I managed to get posting #888? I'd better check my bank account, I mighta just come into some money or something!

915 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:50:16pm

re: #885 Last Mohican

That's an interesting thought. I don't know.

Bedbugs are also an emerging problem --DDT would take care of them.

916 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:51:10pm

re: #914 Guanxi88

Holy crap! I managed to get posting #888? I'd better check my bank account, I mighta just come into some money or something!

Piles of karma coming your way. Buy lottery tickets .. try to score a girl .. something to make you feel lucky.

917 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:51:17pm

Dianna- thank you for your support earlier tonight. That meant a lot to me.

918 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:51:29pm

re: #861 Bobblehead

The mushroom and wild rice soup perhaps?

No, he had French onion and I had broccoli cheddar. I love cheese.

919 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:51:56pm

re: #917 Sharmuta

Dianna- thank you for your support earlier tonight. That meant a lot to me.

Last thread got very intense.

920 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:52:09pm

re: #901 wee fury

Ely, Minnesota wants the 2016 IOC.

They can have it. Although, they might better be situated for the Winter Olympics.

921 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:52:11pm

re: #905 pink freud

I agree with your last paragraph as well. My eldest is 21, and he keeps his Concerta in a safe under his bed, along with various other valuables. He said he can't leave it out on the counter - not because of his roommates, but because there may be visitors who may snoop and scoop.

922 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:52:29pm

re: #913 BlueCanuck

Wondered when some one would get around to that one.

Can't get any bigger than that one. That's why I held short with a regular old a-bomb.

923 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:53:09pm

re: #904 Guanxi88

Yeah, I'll support the assessment of the TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine); every competent TCM teacher and practitioner I know - and I know a good many - will tell you that for cancer, you want an oncologist. TCM has some ideas about prevention, and maybe some things they can do to help you get through treatment, but any TCM'er worth his or her moxa will tell you to go see a Western physician. Same goes double for cardiac, pulmonary, etc. The only folks, in my experience, who currently shhot off their mouths about the ability of TCM to cure cancer, etc., are westerners; crystal-clutching hippies of the first water.

The TCM practitioner I've gone to will refuse treatment if she feels you need to see a Medical Doctor.

924 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:53:31pm

re: #917 Sharmuta

Dianna- thank you for your support earlier tonight. That meant a lot to me.

You're entirely welcome.

925 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:53:39pm

Why was my link to Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz's article titled:
DISPELLING VACCINATION MYTHS
deleted?

926 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:54:07pm

re: #923 ggt

The TCM practitioner I've gone to will refuse treatment if she feels you need to see a Medical Doctor.

And that's what makes me, without knowing anything else about her, say she had good teachers, and can probably be trusted.

927 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:54:10pm

re: #910 realwest

Do they give you any grief at airports over the pacemaker?

Not a bit! I just say "I have a pacemaker and I would like to request a hand search." - I have a card that states the same thing but I've never had to use it- and they ask me to step over to the side. They run my carry on and pocket stuff through the scanner, collect it for me, and take me and my gear to a little glassed in compartment. They pat me down, and when they are finished I get organized and go. No problem!

/People in the line eyeball me - they're trying to figure out if I'm a VIP or up to no good! ;)

928 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:54:19pm

re: #810 Wishing

The solution is simple. Don't let kids in school without the vaccinations. When my kids (now aged 20 throu 30) were entering school, that was the law. But today, parents are being allowed to opt out for religious reasons, privacy concerns, whatever kind of excuses a liberal school board is willing to accept.

I'm sure Obama will solve the problem for us. /

929 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:54:26pm

re: #836 capitalist piglet
Nah, more like a 4 - y'all can't dance to it, you know?!

930 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:55:45pm

re: #921 BaseballMom57

I apologize to anyone here I may have offended with my remarks.

931 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:55:51pm

re: #894 hous bin pharteen

A Cobra gunship?
COOL!

I could be the door gunner. LOL

Got batteries in my police scanner. Someone was apparently shot. They are asking for help from another agency.

932 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:55:56pm

re: #84 pat

More likely beets, and other dark purple vegetables. Such flavonoids are powerful antioxidants that some believe inhibit cancer cell growth.

And you know something else? Beets, and spinach, and Brussels sprouts, and green beans, and squash, and, and,....?

They all taste good!

Stuff that's good to eat, and good for you, too. What's not to like? And they go so well with fried chicken, and roast beef, and pork chops, too.

933 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:56:12pm

Time to take my medications, developed and sold by those evil drug corporations, and hit the sack.

934 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:56:36pm

re: #912 Macker

The Cylons dropped multiples of these all over Caprica and the other Colonies...they didn't frak around, they wanted all of Humanity destroyed. And they came close

Yes, but they can be detected - have "interpersonal relations" with them and their spine lights up like Day-Glo!

935 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:57:15pm

re: #930 pink freud

I apologize to anyone here I may have offended with my remarks.

My ass is still hurting from those angry Lithuanians you packed onto me a couple of days ago.

936 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:57:27pm

re: #932 Alberta Oil Peon

And you know something else? Beets, and spinach, and Brussels sprouts, and green beans, and squash, and, and,....?

They all taste good!

Stuff that's good to eat, and good for you, too. What's not to like? And they go so well with fried chicken, and roast beef, and pork chops, too.

Brussels sprouts are the most vile substance I've ever encountered. Sorry. I wouldn't touch them if they were the last thing left to eat on the planet.

937 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:04pm

re: #935 Buster Bunny

Perhaps a coffee enema would soothe it? ;-)

938 FightingBack  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:08pm

Goodnight, Lizardia!
I've done the best that I can tonight, fighting back the forces of darkness that would unleash the scourges of vanquished killers of children back onto the Earth.
Remember to think scientifically about this: Wild type disease is unpredictable, and often kills. Vaccines, even with their marginal known complication rate, are the safer bet.
Ask your doctor, while you still have one.
FB

939 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:12pm

I ♥ brussels sprouts!

940 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:27pm
941 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:35pm

re: #931 Pvt Bin Jammin

I could be the door gunner. LOL

Got batteries in my police scanner. Someone was apparently shot. They are asking for help from another agency.

Cobra gunships have two crew: a pilot and a gunner. They don't have door guns. They mount a chin turret instead.

942 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:37pm

re: #909 Guanxi88

From the Sun-tzu;


In 341 B.C., the Ch`i State being at war with Wei, sent T`ien Chi and Sun Pin against the general P`ang Chuan, who happened to be a deadly personal enemy of the later. Sun Pin said: "The Ch`i State has a reputation for cowardice, and therefore our adversary despises us. Let us turn this circumstance to account." Accordingly, when the army had crossed the border into Wei territory, he gave orders to show 100,000 fires on the first night, 50,000 on the next, and the night after only 20,000. P`ang Chuan pursued them hotly, saying to himself: "I knew these men of Ch`i were cowards: their numbers have already fallen away by more than half." In his retreat, Sun Pin came to a narrow defile, with he calculated that his pursuers would reach after dark. Here he had a tree stripped of its bark, and inscribed upon it the words: "Under this tree shall P`ang Chuan die." Then, as night began to fall, he placed a strong body of archers in ambush near by, with orders to shoot directly they saw a light. Later on, P`ang Chuan arrived at the spot, and noticing the tree, struck a light in order to read what was written on it. His body was immediately riddled by a volley of arrows, and his whole army thrown into confusion
943 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:51pm

re: #925 So?

Why was my link to Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz's article titled:
DISPELLING VACCINATION MYTHS
deleted?

I can guess.

944 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:55pm

re: #937 pink freud

Perhaps a coffee enema would soothe it? ;-)

How do you sort the brown bits .. from the brown bits?

945 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:58:59pm

re: #934 SteveC

Only two scenes were shot in that fashion: Six during the miniseries and Caprica Eight (Athena) during Season 1. Nothing since then.

946 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:59:13pm

Well, having not been diagnosed with ADD (No H for me, just the spaciness), although my siblings were later, I can really say that...

Hey! Did you see that squirrel? Rain right across that branch.

...Oh, yeah, I was saying that what I have to do is make lists, because if I don't write it down, it's gone. Being an adult, having grown out of a lot of it, really helps.

No, I'm not making fun of ADD. I actually did that once. Stopped in the middle of a conversation to look at a squirrel over someone's shoulder.

947 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:59:14pm

re: #913 BlueCanuck

Wondered when some one would get around to that one.

You always count on the Russkies to go BIG!

948 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:59:17pm

Brussles sprouts ....delectibly delicious!

949 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:59:32pm

Spector now says the the Mexican officials blame the US for the influx of guns to Mexico. He also says we need to send more money to Mexico to help them.

Can I scream now?

950 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:06pm

re: #944 Buster Bunny

You're asking the WRONG person.

951 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:07pm

re: #948 pink freud

Brussles sprouts ....delectibly delicious!

I'm just dinging up anyone who likes brussel sprouts.

A most under-rated vegetable.

952 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:14pm

re: #949 ggt

A hearty "Fuck You Senator Specter" will suffice.

953 BaseballMom57  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:16pm

re: #936 Dianna

Dianna, I totally agree...I have a friend who sautees baby brussels in olive oil and garlic. She had me try one. I must admit, it was far better than the "normal" brussel, but still inedible to me!

954 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:27pm

littleoldlady has a recipe for brussel sprouts. I will have to get her to submit it to the cookbook. Otherwise, I have it and I will submit it for her. Yummy!

955 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:50pm

Aren't blueberries good for antioxidants? And strawberries, how about those?

Can't I get my antioxidants from things I like?

956 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:55pm

re: #721 Charles

Yep, she's a Jew-hater too.

She is indeed. I heard her and Rense, the guy who has that disgusting talk show begin talking about Jews and the holocaust and other crap, from that Day on I knew she was full of cow dung.

957 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:00:56pm

re: #946 EmmmieG

I have that too! I thought it was old age?

958 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:08pm

re: #940 Iron Fist

go to history

959 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:14pm
UPDATE at 3/31/09 8:33:08 pm:

For reference:

Stay Away from Dr. Lorraine Day

Max Gerson: Questionable Cancer Therapies

Wow. Quack-a-doodle time.

The Lorraine Day "treatment" for cancer is tragic, because she takes the nugget of a good idea and completely misconstrues it.

Basically, Day claims that once you already have cancer you can cure it by eating a strictly "raw foods" diet of fruit and vegetables. Needless to say, all studies have shown that this is in fact not true.

However, tragically, it is true that eating a healthy diet with a lot of fruits and vegetables can lower your chance of getting cancer in the first place. Partly because you're eating proper nutrition, but more importantly because by eating healthy foods you are not eating foods that encourage the likelihood of cancer (i.e. fried foods, etc.).

What's tragic is that by overstating her claims. Dr. Day is thereby discrediting a valid strategy for staying healthy. I'm all for eating healthy and natural and unprocessed foods, but if God forbid I am informed one day that I have a tumor or something, I'll be begging that surgeon to break out the scalpel.

960 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:23pm

Hmmm, what food don't I like? I'm drawing a blank.

961 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:23pm

re: #947 jcm

You always count on the Russkies to go BIG!

It's good to see that once in a while. Puts things in perspective for me. In how people think we're a hair trigger away from doomsday. Been there, done that.

962 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:24pm

How to deal with effective enemies!

963 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:30pm

re: #897 pat

Yoo, hoo, I had a phone call lunch time from a favorite Lizard who's name will not be revealed, but I think you know. If you reveal it? I will come to Hawaii and find you! ;)

Here is what I posted to answer your question...

[NY Nana has left the building and entered a witness protection program.]

964 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:36pm

re: #953 BaseballMom57

You and Dianna go ahead. I know they're not everyone's cup of tea, but it leaves more for the rest of us. Yea! :)

965 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:42pm

re: #945 Macker

Only two scenes were shot in that fashion: Six during the miniseries and Caprica Eight (Athena) during Season 1. Nothing since then.

I thought it was more, then I realized I was just replayin' the DVD over and over and over.....

966 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:44pm

re: #945 Macker

Only two scenes were shot in that fashion: Six during the miniseries and Caprica Eight (Athena) during Season 1. Nothing since then.

No, no, I think there was a scene with Grace Park and her honey in the first season. They stole away to some place on the flight deck or something. Forbidden because she was an officer and he wasn't.

967 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:49pm

re: #957 pink freud

I have that too! I thought it was old age?

In my case, old age would have started really, really early, like elementary school.

968 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:52pm

re: #955 EmmmieG

Aren't blueberries good for antioxidants? And strawberries, how about those?

Can't I get my antioxidants from things I like?

Beer...
Chocolate...

ohhhh, yeah.....

969 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:00pm

re: #729 SteveC

A man goes to see his doctor. He says "Doc, you gotta help me. Every time I bend over, my eyeballs pop halfway out of my head, and I feel like I'm choking to death. I can barely breathe." The doctor says "I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have a rare and fatal disease. You only have a month to live."

The man is stunned, but determined to make the most of his remaining time on Earth. He goes back to work, tells his boss what a jerk he is, and quits his job. He cashes out all of his bank accounts, and starts going to the fanciest restaurants in town, ordering caviar and thousand-dollar-a-bottle champagne with every meal. Then he buys a multi-city plane ticket to Paris, Rome, Tokyo, and finally Tahiti, where he plans to spend his last few days. But before leaving, he decides he's going to spend his last dollars on some nice imported suits, so that he'll look fantastic while he's living it up on his big trip."

So he heads over to the most expensive clothes shop in town. The tailor starts measuring him, and asks "so, what size shirt do you wear?"

"14 and a half, thirty-three," the man replies.

"That can't be right, " says the tailor. "You wear a sixteen thirty-three."

"But I've always worn a 14 and a half, thirty-three" the man insists.

"Sir, I'll cut it however you want," says the tailor. "But if you wear a 14 and a half, then every time you bend over, your eyeballs are gonna pop out of your head, and you're gonna feel like you're choking to death."

970 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:17pm

re: #955 EmmmieG

Blueberries are supposed to be extremely high in antioxidants. I love them. so that's a plus for me.

971 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:19pm

re: #955 EmmmieG

I bought turmeric capsules today.

972 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:22pm

re: #943 Gus 802

I can guess.

which is?

973 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:29pm

re: #852 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey PBJ - didja call the cops?! Are you ok?

974 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:54pm

re: #955 EmmmieG

Aren't blueberries good for antioxidants? And strawberries, how about those?

Can't I get my antioxidants from things I like?

Dark chocolate!

975 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:02:55pm

re: #953 BaseballMom57

Dianna, I totally agree...I have a friend who sautees baby brussels in olive oil and garlic. She had me try one. I must admit, it was far better than the "normal" brussel, but still inedible to me!

It's even better if you add red pepper to the saute --adds a sweet flavor to them.

I love brussel sprouts!

976 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:03:04pm

re: #972 So?

which is?

I have to confirm something first. Who wrote the article?

977 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:03:12pm

re: #964 Sharmuta

You and Dianna go ahead. I know they're not everyone's cup of tea, but it leaves more for the rest of us. Yea! :)

Never argue matters of taste!

978 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:03:14pm

re: #949 ggt

Spector now says the the Mexican officials blame the US for the influx of guns to Mexico. He also says we need to send more money to Mexico to help them.

Can I scream now?

Go ahead. I hope it helps. I'm fading so I'm going to sign off now.

979 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:03:46pm

Oh! Trout. Trout sucks.

980 SteveC  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:04:18pm

re: #969 Last Mohican

A man goes to see his doctor. He says "Doc, you gotta help me. Every time I bend over, my eyeballs pop halfway out of my head, and I feel like I'm choking to death. I can barely breathe." The doctor says "I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have a rare and fatal disease. You only have a month to live."

I think I had that doctor once....!

981 So?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:04:21pm

re: #976 Gus 802

I have to confirm something first. Who wrote the article?

Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

982 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:04:31pm

re: #979 Salem

Oh! Trout. Trout sucks stinks.

FTFY

983 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:29pm

re: #959 zombie

Quick and simple answer to that.

I got cancer. You got cancer. In fact .. most everyone who ever put a message on this blog has cancer. Yes, you got a couple of whacko cells that arent playing ball that COULD cling together and create trouble. But if you've been eating your greens and drinking your milk .. you have a greater chance of having the right tools in your systems to fight it.

Thats before. Once you have it to the point where its a growth, your system is no longer in a state to cope with it properly and all you do with a great diet is FEED the growth better while it eats you alive.

984 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:34pm

re: #979 Salem

Oh! Trout. Trout sucks.

I thought he stinks.....?

985 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:37pm
986 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:38pm

re: #971 pink freud

Check the natural food section of your grocery store for empty gell capsules. I think you can probably get about 100 for $10. Then go to your local asian market and buy turmeric. It's really cheap is asian markets. Fill the capsules yourself. It's really great as a decongestant.

987 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:46pm

re: #982 pink freud

GMTA!

988 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:05:58pm

re: #973 realwest

Hey PBJ - didja call the cops?! Are you ok?

I am fine and I called the cops immediately. It was further south than I originally figured but at least I got the sheriffs driving in the right direction.

989 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:02pm

re: #979 Salem

Hey!
/

990 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:05pm

re: #982 pink freud

FTFY

Oh, Pink? I'll send the pdf. in the morning. Sorry, I should have said, earlier.

991 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:27pm

re: #771 funky chicken

Jeez, I'd never even heard of Lorraine Day before tonight. I guess I wasn't missing much...holy cow what a nutter.

Never heard of her either.

When Dr. Day attacks She doesn't have Ann Coulter eyes though.

992 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:31pm

re: #940 Iron Fist

All you need is a k-bar.
I chose the SAS combat knife. Its at my moms house. I didn't want it with the kids in the house. But I forget what is called. Sorry, I have to deal with the brain drane some now.

993 nonic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:46pm

re: #845 FightingBack

Would you mind if I ask you how old you are? And if you ever had measles or know anyone who did?

The Mayo Clinic site describes measles at [Link: www.mayoclinic.com...]

I did not say that the pharmaceutical companies are "ribbing us off." I said that they have done a good job educating the public about a problem that they have a product for.

994 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:06:54pm

Fascist lies!

995 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:07:12pm

re: #642 ArchangelMichael

They already sneaked that one past us in CA. (Apparently even a bolt action .50BMG rifle is an "assault rifle" now because it scares hippies). Shes just trying to inflict it on the rest of the country now.

Barrett actually refuses to do business with CA law enforcement agencies because of this, stating that the state of California is in non-compliance with the 2nd and 14th Amendments and they cant do business with lawbreakers (gotta love the guy).

Makes me damn proud that Ronnie Barrett and the good folks at Barrett Manufacturing design and build their guns here in Tennessee!

/Reaching out and touching bad guys at long range with some Vol State know-how and ingenuity for over 25 years...

996 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:07:21pm

Armed robbery.....
A family value?

Man with child robs Ellensburg AM/PM

The suspect, described as a white male in his late 30s to early 40s, approached the counter, drew out a handgun and demanded money from the register. The suspect was accompanied by a small girl wearing a pink coat.
997 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:08:02pm

re: #996 jcm

Armed robbery.....
A family value?

Man with child robs Ellensburg AM/PM

Well, that would sure inhibit any kind of violent response.

998 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:08:14pm

re: #995 talon_262

Makes me damn proud that Ronnie Barrett and the good folks at Barrett Manufacturing design and build their guns here in Tennessee!

/Reaching out and touching bad guys at long range with some Vol State know-how and ingenuity for over 25 years...

I so want their new 98Bravo.....

999 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:09:08pm

re: #997 Dianna

Well, that would sure inhibit any kind of violent response.

I can't imagine, shooting down a guy in front of his little girl!

Sick [deleted]. Child abuse, pure and simple.

1000 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:09:31pm

re: #986 Killgore Trout

Check the natural food section of your grocery store for empty gell capsules. I think you can probably get about 100 for $10. Then go to your local asian market and buy turmeric. It's really cheap is asian markets. Fill the capsules yourself. It's really great as a decongestant.

I tried some turmeric capsules a while ago, but they gave me realy really bad heartburn. Whatever benefit they may have conveyed, it wasn't worth the discomfort. At least that was my experience.

1001 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:09:56pm

re: #981 So?

Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

OK, here's the answer: Dr. Horowitz is both a quack and nuts:

As for terrorism, Dr. Horowitz provides numerous examples of
intentional testing of chemical and biological substances on peoples
throughout the world. He always names names, and provides precise
dates and locations. For example, on p. 81 he discusses how the
CIA-funded Evergreen Helicopters sprayed millions of gallons of
chemicals both in the US and abroad. This form of government-sponsored
terrorism is often directed at minorities, and many Native Americans
in Arizona became seriously ill due to these intrusuions.As for terrorism, Dr. Horowitz provides numerous examples of
intentional testing of chemical and biological substances on peoples
throughout the world. He always names names, and provides precise
dates and locations. For example, on p. 81 he discusses how the
CIA-funded Evergreen Helicopters sprayed millions of gallons of
chemicals both in the US and abroad. This form of government-sponsored
terrorism is often directed at minorities, and many Native Americans
in Arizona became seriously ill due to these intrusuions.

1002 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:09:57pm

re: #966 ggt

No, no, I think there was a scene with Grace Park and her honey in the first season. They stole away to some place on the flight deck or something. Forbidden because she was an officer and he wasn't.

Ah yes, Boomer and the Chief. As it turns out, that was Cylon on Cylon and a no-go.

1003 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:10:10pm

re: #996 jcm

Armed robbery.....
A family value?

Man with child robs Ellensburg AM/PM

Damned lowlife bastard piece of sh*t probably intended to use her as a guarantee that there'd be no armed resistance; a human shield.

That low-life Oedipal Polysyllabic should be a chandelier: he should hang all day and burn all night.

1004 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:10:16pm

re: #986 Killgore Trout

There you are. We were just talking about you!

Thanks for the tip, I'm always up for cost-saving alternatives.

1005 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:11:02pm

re: #990 Dianna

Thanks, Dianna. I am looking forward to reading it!

1006 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:11:06pm

re: #988 Pvt Bin Jammin

You live in the city?
In the country, it way be some out shooting, but safe. Like target shooting. But in the city? Not so much!

1007 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:11:29pm

re: #942 swamprat

Good, reminds me of this comic strip.

1008 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:11:48pm

Sen Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) to the rescue on the gun issue. He is trying to clarify the gun issue. Less than 1% of FF Dealers were found to be involved in gun trafficking and their licenses were refused. Legal aliens can purchase guns in the US.

1009 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:12:16pm
1010 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:12:25pm

re: #1003 Guanxi88

Damned lowlife bastard piece of sh*t probably intended to use her as a guarantee that there'd be no armed resistance; a human shield.

That low-life Oedipal Polysyllabic should be a chandelier: he should hang all day and burn all night.

The natural reaction of an officer would be to hesitant, just a fraction, with a little girl there, just enough to give the bad guy an advantage.

1011 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:12:29pm

re: #184 VioletTiger

Turnips...honestly, who eats them?

One of my favorite vegetables! Steamed and mashed like potatoes, they go well with corned beef and cabbage.

1012 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:12:36pm

re: #1009 Sharmuta

Anti-oxidant rich foods- from Web MD

From beans to apples

Thanks!

1013 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:12:50pm

re: #991 hazzyday

Never heard of her either.

When Dr. Day attacks She doesn't have Ann Coulter eyes though.

Holy Cow, she blames Anthrax on the Jooooooz! :

Who would have access to each of these buildings, particularly during non-working hours, WITHOUT raising suspicion? Since ALL four corporations are owned by Jews, individual Arabs or a group of Arabs would be highly suspicious if found roaming around their buildings. The owners wouldn't allow it, especially since September 11. They obviously would have NO off-hours access either. But certainly the owners of the specific companies, or their representatives, would have unlimited access.

But why would someone allow Anthrax to be planted in his own building? Isn't that a little far-fetched? Not if you're part of a small elitist group of internationalists dedicated to controlling the world and all of its resources. Each one is expected to do his part. Besides, after the initial planting of the Anthrax and the exposure of enough employees to cause major public panic and possibly death of one or many individuals, the building can then be closed, decontaminated and made ready for use again. Mission accomplished!

Why is it that total dementia and rabid Jew-hate almost always go hand in hand?

1014 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:13:36pm

Would you believe I have wild blueberries in my freezer? Time to get them out!

1015 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:13:46pm

Water chestnuts are kind of flavorless and have that woody texture. Never understood that.

But most of the stuff I cringed at as a kid I like now, because at some point I actually tried them. And I've always like brussels sprouts, okra, spinach. mushrooms and some other foods that a lot of people are known to have an aversion to. I think oysters and sushi are kind of grody but when you think about it they aren't half as disgusting as raw eggs, which I've had the displeasure of consuming a couple of times.

1016 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:13:52pm

re: #985 Iron Fist


fals

and you said;

to you, but I had already gone to sleep by the time you put your question up. I am, by training, a third degree Black Belt in Isshinryu Karate and a second degree Black Belt in Arnis (filipino stick and knife fighting art). ...
1017 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:13:54pm
Cranberries, blueberries, and blackberries were ranked highest among the fruits studied. Beans, artichokes, and Russet potatoes were tops among the vegetables.

Pecans, walnuts, and hazelnuts were the winners in the nut category, and ground cloves, cinnamon, and oregano were the top three antioxidant-rich spices.

Which is great, because I'm crazy for cranberries.

1018 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #1005 pink freud

Thanks, Dianna. I am looking forward to reading it!

Thank you. I really appreciate the offer.

1019 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:14:19pm

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Mmmmmm rutabagas. Steamed, then mashed with lots of butter and a spoonful of brown sugar.

/damn, hungry again and I just ate.

Any update on your work situation, Blue?

1020 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:14:29pm

re: #1000 zombie

heartburn.

Sigh. I nailed comment #1000, and squandered it by talking about heartburn.

1021 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:14:56pm

re: #1014 EmmmieG

Blackberries ripening on the vines here. :-)

1022 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #1020 zombie

You're forgiven!

1023 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:15:27pm

re: #984 Sharmuta

I thought he stinks.....?

He's a little crotchety sometimes but as far as I know he smells terrific.

1024 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #1020 zombie

Sigh. I nailed comment #1000, and squandered it by talking about heartburn.

Try cake next time. You can never ruin a comment with cake.

I have to go, time to work on my crankiness quotient for the morning.*

*by going to bed now

1025 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:15:45pm

re: #1020 zombie

Sigh. I nailed comment #1000, and squandered it by talking about heartburn.

Same here - I'm going on about skittles-manipulation as a possible symptom of OCD when I just hit the triple 8 on a posting. I should have been talking about money, or, to paraphrase my uncle, the messiah.

1026 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:15:46pm
1027 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:16:16pm

re: #1006 hous bin pharteen

You live in the city?
In the country, it way be some out shooting, but safe. Like target shooting. But in the city? Not so much!

We're between a city and the national forest. Our little 'burb has a few crips and the city has a lot of bloods.

1028 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:16:55pm

re: #1020 zombie

Sigh. I nailed comment #1000, and squandered it by talking about heartburn.

Heartburn being what it is - one of those evils that sound funny until you're suffering with it - I wouldn't count that as a wasted comment.

1029 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:17:32pm

One of the best things about my new diet is I've once again cut out soda. Stuff's just not good for you. Except maybe Ginger Ale when you're sick.

1030 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:11pm

re: #1029 Sharmuta

One of the best things about my new diet is I've once again cut out soda. Stuff's just not good for you. Except maybe Ginger Ale when you're sick.

Why are you dieting? The old "damned 10 pounds"?

1031 Buster Bunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:19pm

re: #1028 Dianna

Heartburn being what it is - one of those evils that sound funny until you're suffering with it - I wouldn't count that as a wasted comment.

Time for a Tums and get over it.

1032 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:37pm

re: #1028 Dianna

Heartburn being what it is - one of those evils that sound funny until you're suffering with it - I wouldn't count that as a wasted comment.

True. If they called it "Tertiary Esophageal Inflammation" it would be taken more seriously.

1033 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:56pm

re: #1029 Sharmuta

Except maybe Ginger Ale when you're sick.

Or when you're mixing highballs.

1034 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:57pm

re: #1019 Alberta Oil Peon

Yeah, kinda bad and kinda good. Our company is in contract renegotian with the site I worked at. One stipulation was that all guards that didn't want to work there had to be removed. Hence my removal. Have a new site now, just have to be trained and I will start next Tuesday. Closer to home, afternoon shifts, and a pay cut for the moment. Possibly be a pay raise for the new site in September. Had to bite my tongue on the whole communication issue.

1035 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:18:58pm

re: #1031 Buster Bunny

Time for a Tums and get over it.

I wish. I've had heartburn so bad that I literally wished someone would knock me out.

1036 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:20:05pm

re: #1026 Iron Fist

You and me both. But for the money, I'll take an Armalite AR-30 in .338 Lapua Magnum. It is less than half the price of the Barrett. It probably isn't as accurate as the Barrett, and doesn't look as cool (an important feature). However, it is plenty sufficient for my needs for a long range shooting platform. It isn't exactly cheap. After you put a good scope on it, you'll be looking at $3000 anyway. That still beats the $5000 for the 98 Bravo.

LOL! Yeah, anything in .338 Lapua is a pipe dream right now anyway. Longest range in my neck of the woods is 300 yards. You'd want 1000 to have fun with it.

1037 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:20:06pm

re: #1030 Dianna

Why are you dieting? The old "damned 10 pounds"?

No- I'm not dieting to lose weight. I don't have a weight issue. I was concerned about fatigue and a couple other issues and decided to correct my diet and cut out the junk food. Thankfully, chocolate isn't junk food anymore. :)

1038 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:20:35pm

re: #1035 Dianna

I wish. I've had heartburn so bad that I literally wished someone would knock me out.

Might want to get checked out, upper GI cam. they are pretty good these days, I had one last month. no discomfort.

1039 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:20:37pm

re: #900 ggt
"taxes should be lowered" What? Hasn't Barry, Timmy, Nancy, Barney and Chris already discovered that taxes should go UP?
/
We are honestly and truly led by stupid people.

1040 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:21:34pm

re: #1037 Sharmuta

Good.

I worry about women getting obsessive about their weight.

(And I'm a fine one to talk!)

1041 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:21:37pm
1042 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:22:18pm

re: #1004 pink freud

While you're in the Asian market stock up on all your herbs. Curry powder, pepper, chillies, basil are all a small fraction the price you pay at a normal store. Also look for dried Shitake mushrooms. You can buy a pillow case sized bag for about $20. They have a million uses and they'll store forever.

1043 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:23:04pm

re: #1038 rawmuse

Might want to get checked out, upper GI cam. they are pretty good these days, I had one last month. no discomfort.

It hasn't happened in a long time, fortunately. For years after my ulcer healed (yay, antibiotics!), my stomach was very sensitive, and pretty much anything set it off.

Once, I had lamb curry, very, very mild, and had heartburn for a week.

Yuck.

1044 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:23:24pm

re: #1029 Sharmuta

One of the best things about my new diet is I've once again cut out soda. Stuff's just not good for you. Except maybe Ginger Ale when you're sick.

The two people I know who died of pancreatic cancer drnk cola as their main source of liquid.

1045 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:23:26pm

re: #1039 realwest

"taxes should be lowered" What? Hasn't Barry, Timmy, Nancy, Barney and Chris already discovered that taxes should go UP?
/
We are honestly and truly led by stupid people.

I always that that if a law was not followed by a significant portion of the population, it might be a bad law and need to be rethought. Now that doesn't apply in in all situations, that's why I said "rethought".

1046 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:23:43pm

re: #1037 Sharmuta

Try getting rid of the sugar in your diet. Wait a week and then eat a tangerine. It's heavenly.

1047 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:24:10pm
1048 leftover54  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:24:10pm

#898
re: #882 Guanxi88
Never attribute to malice that which can more easily be ascribed to stupidity.

All better now.

1049 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:24:37pm

Ooops. left my sockpuppet on.

1050 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:24:42pm

re: #1042 Killgore Trout Stinks

While you're in the Asian market stock up on all your herbs. Curry powder, pepper, chillies, basil are all a small fraction the price you pay at a normal store. Also look for dried Shitake mushrooms. You can buy a pillow case sized bag for about $20. They have a million uses and they'll store forever.

Actually, they don't store forever. The essential oils dissipate over time and are replaced by mold. I've often wondered if it's the mold that is the cause of their "healing powers" and not the herbs themselves.

1051 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:24:44pm

must sleep

peace to you all

1052 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:25:13pm

re: #1043 Dianna

Oh, I hear you on that one. I had to give up spicy foods for about 5 years after my ulcer was cured. I am still slowly building my taste bud tolerances up to what I used to eat. :)

/suicide wings by the pound.

1053 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:25:25pm

Dr. Day is not sane.

She may have well cured her cancer herself. But she is not sane.

From her religion site and this is the mild part of it.

Very few people realize that the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust”, what the revisionists refer to as the Holocaust Hoax, is the CENTERPIECE of the Zionist Jews’ Plan to destroy all nations, control the entire world, slaughter most of the population of the earth, and reduce the rest to slaves. Without the belief in the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust” by the average Jews, and everyone else as well, NONE of these things could occur! Their plans would be foiled!

For decades, America has been pummeled non-stop with “Holocaust” propaganda. On almost every corner, in every city in America, a “Holocaust” museum is rising, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Propaganda about the “Holocaust” is filling the school textbooks and indoctrinating the minds of our children.

1054 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:25:33pm

re: #1046 Killgore Trout Stinks

I've been growing Kumquats lately. They are my favorite desert.

1055 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:05pm

I love kiwis. (the fruit)

1056 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:07pm

re: #1049 Killgore Trout

LOL Years ago, before I was registered, I could have sworn you had a "raging alcoholic" sock.

1057 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:10pm

re: #1047 Iron Fist

Still no joy, but thanks. This is the knife I want to compare it to. It's really slick looking. I'm also looking at a 5.5 Applegate/Fairbairn. If I hadn't just sunk $200 into a good semi-custom blade, I'd probably wind up with both of these, and I may do so still yet. The other knife I saw was very close to the lightfoot in design. It may have even been one. I'd like to find it to compare.

And what's wrong with the Smatchet? Now that's a blade to put some hurt on someone with!

1058 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:18pm

re: #1047 Iron Fist

You could make that first one.

1059 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:40pm

re: #1049 Killgore Trout

Ooops. left my sockpuppet on.

prevents diseases.

1060 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:26:46pm

re: #1052 BlueCanuck

Oh, I hear you on that one. I had to give up spicy foods for about 5 years after my ulcer was cured. I am still slowly building my taste bud tolerances up to what I used to eat. :)

/suicide wings by the pound.

I'm mostly back, since my "hot" tastes run to horseradish type heat.

Anyway, I need my bed.

Take care, lizardia!

1061 yochanan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:27:25pm

iron lung machine


don't hear much call for those now adays, thanks to vaccines.

1062 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:27:48pm

Night Dianna, weet dreams.

1063 Brit in Japan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:23pm

re: #717 SanFranciscoZionist

Newsweek had this on it, a few months ago.

Thanks. Interesting article. It was Wakefield - another Brit not to be proud of. :(

BiJ.

1064 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:27pm

re: #1050 ggt

With storage I was talking about the dried shitakes. I's sure some of their medicinal properties are compromised as opposed to fresh ones but the asian markets I go to have fresh ones pretty much year round. The cost is about the same as buying those bland button 'shrooms at the normal grocery store.

1065 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:30pm

Durbin is concluding the points to act on. The War on Drugs is going to become the War on Guns. They plan on following the money as well.

1066 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:39pm

Sales tax in San Francisco goes to 9.5 cents on the dollar tomorrow.
And it still won't be enough.

1067 swamprat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:43pm

re: #1048 leftover54

Moe beter is who said it?

/duks

Good night.

1068 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:28:49pm

re: #940 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' y'all ought to hit your avatar and then search the recent comments! It'll be there!

1069 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:29:08pm
1070 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:29:19pm

re: #1035 Dianna

I wish. I've had heartburn so bad that I literally wished someone would knock me out.

I have a friend who has a prescription for pills for acid reflux. None of the over-the-counter stuff can make life tolerable for him.

1071 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:30:26pm

re: #1069 Iron Fist

Say are you in CA.? I have been looking for a thousand yard range.
Got a new scope for my SOCOM II

1072 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:30:30pm

re: #1069 Iron Fist

We have a thousand yard range around here. It's all just too damn far for me. I'd love to get one, but I've got so much on my plate right now. I'm debating getting a piston kit or .450 Bushmaster/.458 SOCOM upper, S&W lower group right now. Add in the high-dollar blades, and a little tattoo money, and I'm pretty tapped for the year. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket.

:-)

Too many toys... not enough money....
*sigh*

1073 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:30:31pm

BlueCanuck, what happened with HR today?

1074 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:30:35pm

re: #1066 rawmuse

Sales tax in San Francisco goes to 9.5 cents on the dollar tomorrow.
And it still won't be enough.

1075 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:31:06pm

Time for me to sleep.

weet dreams all!

1076 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:31:18pm

re: #1075 ggt

Time for me to sleep.

weet dreams all!

Sleep well, ggt!

1077 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:31:33pm

re: #1056 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL Years ago, before I was registered, I could have sworn you had a "raging alcoholic" sock.

Heh. No but I have seriously curtailed my drinking over the past 6 months. I started getting fat and couldn't understand why. I almost went to the doctor to figure it out but then I realized that alcohol has calories. Who knew? I dropped 15 pounds by drinking about 1/2 as much.

1078 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:32:19pm

re: #1061 yochanan

iron lung machine

don't hear much call for those now adays, thanks to vaccines.

Thank God.

When I was a kid I had a horrible reaction to a smallpox vaccination. Paralysis for three days and a weird rash. The doctor could take his finger tip and write my name on my skin and the rash would spell out my name. My parents were so freaked and afraid I had polio. I have to say I never had another smallpox vaccination after that but continued to have all the others.

1079 Salem  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:32:32pm

re: #989 Killgore Trout

Hey!
/

You know, I've cooked trout almondine a few times and to the extent that it doesn't taste like trout, it's not bad. But I'd hate to have to live on it.

1080 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:32:46pm

re: #1066 rawmuse

Sales tax in San Francisco goes to 9.5 cents on the dollar tomorrow.
And it still won't be enough.

I left
my
change
in
San Francisco

1081 traderjoe9  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:33:22pm

Is there a vaccine to treat liberals?

1082 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:33:23pm

re: #1073 gmsc

re: #1034 BlueCanuck

Yeah, kinda bad and kinda good. Our company is in contract renegotian with the site I worked at. One stipulation was that all guards that didn't want to work there had to be removed. Hence my removal. Have a new site now, just have to be trained and I will start next Tuesday. Closer to home, afternoon shifts, and a pay cut for the moment. Possibly be a pay raise for the new site in September. Had to bite my tongue on the whole communication issue.

To simplify matters and typing. :)

1083 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:33:30pm

re: #1013 zombie

Why is it that total dementia and rabid Jew-hate almost always go hand in hand?

Dr. Day has the symptoms of being unhinged. Hopefully she is a mellow personality.

1084 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:33:49pm

re: #1079 Salem

I could happily eat nothing but trout and salmon.

1085 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:34:12pm

re: #1075 ggt

'Nite ggt. Have a great day tomorrow.

1086 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:34:35pm

re: #1082 BlueCanuck

re: #1034 BlueCanuck

To simplify matters and typing. :)

Sorry – I didn't see 1034. Thanks for the update!

I'm glad to hear you're still working.

1087 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:34:46pm

Charles also loses PJM advertising revenue tomorrow. Those with a few bucks to spare should hit the tip jar.

1088 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:34:56pm

re: #1081 traderjoe9

Is there a vaccine to treat liberals?

Reality... without a safety net.

1089 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:35:21pm

re: #1087 Killgore Trout

If Big Lizard gets bailout money will Obama steal his bonus?

1090 moonbeams  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:35:30pm

This is my first posting - long time reader.

I'm sorry but I disagree with the contention that vaccines and autism are not related.

My nearly 7 year old son is living proof of this. I must also state I'm not an anti vaccine "loon", I simply feel that too many are given at once and too early and too often. I faithfully vaccinated my first two children and they are fine.

My 7 year old was diagnosed at 2.5 years with moderate autism, but a local children's hospital that is reputable and respected, by behavioral pediatricians, and a variety of other well trained staff. He HAD autism.

After years of dietary changes, naturopathic visits to detox his body, and proper nutrition and vitamins in his system he is nearly indistinguishable amongst his peers.

I was doing the same process before Jenny McCarthy came on the scene that she is talking about. Generation Rescue believe or not was started by a Republican! He too is not a loon or nut, in fact just a parent like myself wanting the best for his son and helping him to get better.

Like Jenny or not, just realize that many many parents have recovered or at least substantially healed their children, the same children that like I was told, just to accept that he may never talk, communicate or live without some sort of ongoing care. That child they told me about 5 years ago that would be like this is now a first grader in a regular public school with friends, reads at 3rd grade level, loves to play with legos and wants every new toy he sees on the infomercials on cartoon network. Sounds pretty normal for a 7 year old huh? All because my course of treatment for him has been the same as these "nuts" are talking about.

Guess that makes me a "nut" too, but hey I'm a "nut" with a child that has prospect in life now rather than needing constant care for the rest of his life.

1091 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:36:39pm

re: #1086 gmsc

Sorry – I didn't see 1034. Thanks for the update!

I'm glad to hear you're still working.

Yeah, so am I. :)

/good thing this is a three pay cheque month. Otherwise I would be screwed.

1092 hazzyday  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:37:54pm

re: #996 jcm

Armed robbery.....
A family value?

Man with child robs Ellensburg AM/PM

An other perverted loser trying to make the world feel sorry for him. Throw away the key.

1093 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:39:58pm

re: #1092 hazzyday

An other perverted loser trying to make the world feel sorry for him. Throw away the key.

I just can't imagine what goes through a mind like that, if anything.

1094 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:40:42pm

re: #1039 realwest

"taxes should be lowered" What? Hasn't Barry, Timmy, Nancy, Barney and Chris already discovered that taxes should go UP?
/
We are honestly and truly led by stupid people assholes.

There, fixed that for ya!

1095 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:41:58pm
1096 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:44:18pm

re: #1066 rawmuse

Sales tax in San Francisco goes to 9.5 cents on the dollar tomorrow.
And it still won't be enough.

Son of beeetch! Sheeet!

1097 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:45:05pm

Checking out, night all.

1098 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:45:06pm

re: #1090 moonbeams

It's great to hear that your child is doing so well.

1099 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:45:17pm
1100 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:45:37pm

re: #1097 jcm

'Weet dreams.

1101 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:45:47pm

re: #1095 Iron Fist

I don't much like the feel of a smachet. I looked around a little, and can't find anyone that has them in stock, anyway. For that type of leaf-bladed knife I prefer a barong. I've got a pretty nice one of those from Cold Steel.

Smachet? Barong?

1102 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:46:00pm

re: #1097 jcm

Checking out, night all.

G'Nite, jcm!

1103 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:46:28pm

re: #1047 Iron Fist
Hey, that "Night Strike" doesn't have a crossguard on it - I thought that you insisted on it - and it's kinda big for a back up, doncha think?!

1104 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:48:40pm

re: #1099 Iron Fist

Tennessee, a great state. Positively lovely there. Vacationed a bit there last year, over in Sevierville. Family reunion, cousins by the dozens and all that. Drove back thru the Parkway in to Cherokee.

yeah, the SOCOM II, I got it a couple years back when I was flush with cash, and I rightly figured that they would go up in value. I haven't even fired it yet.

1105 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:48:42pm

Interesting how one incident or miracle cure with no peer reviewed studies or controlled studies suddenly become science. Proper nutrition isn't rocket science nor is it a miracle cure. Many people, if not the majority, with fatal diseases have tried the nutrition route without success. A coffee enema does not and has never cured stage 3 colin cancer.

1106 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:48:56pm

re: #1057 Guanxi88
Didn't see spec's on it, but it looks awfully blade heavy. Less, of course, the blade is about a foot or so long!

1107 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:52:25pm

Netanyahu to Obama: Stop Iran - Or I will

If I was a betting man, I would tell Netanyahu to start the final planning stages and not to count on the USA for help....

1108 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:53:16pm

re: #1105 Gus 802

Steve McQueen tried that coffee enema thing.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1109 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:54:00pm

re: #1108 Pvt Bin Jammin

Steve McQueen tried that coffee enema thing.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

ehhh, I like my coffee input from the other end, thank you :-)

1110 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:55:45pm

re: #1109 Desert Dog

ehhh, I like my coffee input from the other end, thank you :-)

I'm with you on that. I loves my morning coffee.

1111 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:55:52pm

re: #1109 Desert Dog

ehhh, I like my coffee input from the other end, thank you :-)

And I feel the same way about alcohol. ;)

1112 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:56:05pm

re: #1108 Pvt Bin Jammin

Steve McQueen tried that coffee enema thing.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know, thanks. The few people in which it "worked" didn't really have cancer.

1113 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:56:37pm

re: #1107 Desert Dog
Hey Desert Dog - thanks for that one - I reported it to Charles in the hopes of getting a thread on it, maybe tomorrow, but thread or no thread, THANK YOU!

1114 rawmuse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:56:39pm

re: #1108 Pvt Bin Jammin

People do unusual things in extremis.

1115 kynna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:57:46pm

re: #1090 moonbeams

This is my first posting - long time reader.

I'm sorry but I disagree with the contention that vaccines and autism are not related.

My nearly 7 year old son is living proof of this. I must also state I'm not an anti vaccine "loon", I simply feel that too many are given at once and too early and too often. I faithfully vaccinated my first two children and they are fine.

My 7 year old was diagnosed at 2.5 years with moderate autism, but a local children's hospital that is reputable and respected, by behavioral pediatricians, and a variety of other well trained staff. He HAD autism.

After years of dietary changes, naturopathic visits to detox his body, and proper nutrition and vitamins in his system he is nearly indistinguishable amongst his peers.

I was doing the same process before Jenny McCarthy came on the scene that she is talking about. Generation Rescue believe or not was started by a Republican! He too is not a loon or nut, in fact just a parent like myself wanting the best for his son and helping him to get better.

Like Jenny or not, just realize that many many parents have recovered or at least substantially healed their children, the same children that like I was told, just to accept that he may never talk, communicate or live without some sort of ongoing care. That child they told me about 5 years ago that would be like this is now a first grader in a regular public school with friends, reads at 3rd grade level, loves to play with legos and wants every new toy he sees on the infomercials on cartoon network. Sounds pretty normal for a 7 year old huh? All because my course of treatment for him has been the same as these "nuts" are talking about.

Guess that makes me a "nut" too, but hey I'm a "nut" with a child that has prospect in life now rather than needing constant care for the rest of his life.

Who said anyone was a nut for following a treatment regimen for their child? Jenny McCarthy's a nut because she pushes the autism/vaccine link and hurts people in the process.

You're doing a great job with your kid and I commend you. Mine is 4 and a half and we're still figuring out the right regimen for him. Each special needs child is unique and will respond to something different. I'm sure you know that.

If you really believe there's a link and you've seen the backup then post some evidence, please. And I'm not being sarcastic.

But please don't tell me the evidence is buried by "Big Pharma". That's just nonsense. Otherwise, I'm all eyes and open mind.

Tomorrow, though. Right now I'm goin' to bed.

'Night Lizards!

1116 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:58:25pm

re: #1113 realwest

Hey Desert Dog - thanks for that one - I reported it to Charles in the hopes of getting a thread on it, maybe tomorrow, but thread or no thread, THANK YOU!

There are dark clouds on the horizon....I hope we all make it through ok.

1117 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:59:30pm

re: #1090 moonbeams

Welcome to posting, moonbeams - thank you for sharing your son's progress with us. Wonderful to hear that he's doing so much better.

1118 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:00:37pm

re: #1117 capitalist piglet

Welcome to posting, moonbeams - thank you for sharing your son's progress with us. Wonderful to hear that he's doing so much better.

I have three sons and all of the had shots out the.....well, you know where they got them.....and, by a miracle, they have all made it to 18, 17 and 8 in one piece.

1119 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:00:56pm

re: #1116 Desert Dog
We will. Absolutely we will.

1120 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:01:37pm

re: #1090 moonbeams

Very glad to read that you were able to greatly improve your child's health and mental state with good diet etc.

However, I don't see any part in your comment where you draw any connection between vaccines and you child's (now cured) moderate autism. You say at the beginning that "I disagree with the contention that vaccines and autism are not related," but then you never follow that up with any evidence of a connection. What am I missing?

1121 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:02:23pm

re: #1112 Gus 802

I know, thanks. The few people in which it "worked" didn't really have cancer.

Ya know, was that the Hoxie (or Hoxley) clinic? At one time it was in Texas but moved to Mexico. My grandmother had this big white thing on her face and to tell you the truth it looked like a huge white wart. They wanted to do radiation so she ran to Texas and kept going there for treatments. I think she was in her fifties when she got that thing and she lived to be 87. I'm thinking maybe it really wasn't cancer.

About a month ago, I got some kind of white thing on my face and freaked out for a few days. At least my thing turned out to be some kind of a cyst or a zit. LOL

1122 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:02:54pm
1123 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:03:19pm

re: #1117 capitalist piglet
Well I agree with you, but apparently NY Nana doesn't.
Don't know why though.

1124 Desert Dog  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:05:13pm

Well, I thought I could sneak in some LFG today, but Mrs. Desert Dog is "on to me" again and is flicking the lights....night all, maybe see y'all later tomorrow.

play nice

1125 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:07:09pm

re: #1122 Iron Fist
"It's a little big, but did you see this is my latest acquisition. It is a lot lighter than it looks. If I'd seen the Appelgate 5.5 I'd have gone with it instead."
Why? Too thin near midpoint of blade? (you do know that the original Sykes-Fairbane was NOT a good blade, if you struck bone, the fucker would break off on ya)?

1126 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:08:29pm

re: #1046 Killgore Trout Stinks

Try getting rid of the sugar in your diet. Wait a week and then eat a tangerine. It's heavenly.

I'm working up to that. I have a real sweet tooth, so it's not easy, but I figured by chipping away at it, I'd be able to get to that point.

1127 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:09:06pm

re: #1121 Pvt Bin Jammin

Ya know, was that the Hoxie (or Hoxley) clinic? At one time it was in Texas but moved to Mexico. My grandmother had this big white thing on her face and to tell you the truth it looked like a huge white wart. They wanted to do radiation so she ran to Texas and kept going there for treatments. I think she was in her fifties when she got that thing and she lived to be 87. I'm thinking maybe it really wasn't cancer.

About a month ago, I got some kind of white thing on my face and freaked out for a few days. At least my thing turned out to be some kind of a cyst or a zit. LOL

A lot of things can mimic cancer: polyps, warts, cysts, pimples, inflammation, etc. It's a good thing that your grandmother didn't proceed even with traditional treatment which of course requires an accurate biopsy. I have to admit that the opposite of the hokus pokus cures is aggressive chemo and treatment based on a poor diagnosis.

1128 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:10:09pm

re: #1123 realwest

I'm just trying to be nice to people, especially those who have gone through the anguish of trying to find a healing path for their child. I don't have any children, myself, but I don't have trouble understanding how desperate one must feel in such a situation. I had a brother who was paranoid schizophrenic (not to compare the disease with autism - it's just the only real health challenge in my family), and I watched my parents age drastically in the most difficult years; they eventually lost the battle, but I think they would have given their own lives to save him if they could.

It's always something to celebrate when the right path is found.

1129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:11:56pm

re: #1126 Sharmuta

Understood. I have many addictions. Sugar isn't one of them. I know how it goes.

1130 realwest  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:12:31pm

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta get to sleep - hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, all.

1131 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:12:32pm

Well I think it's time to log off here and get to bed. Time to get my sleep schedule changed. At least I will be seeing more daylight now. Stay scaly all, and tell littleoldlady hi for me and the news. I probably won't be around for a lot of fruitcup anymore.

*poof*

1132 gmsc  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:12:48pm

re: #1131 BlueCanuck

Well I think it's time to log off here and get to bed. Time to get my sleep schedule changed. At least I will be seeing more daylight now. Stay scaly all, and tell littleoldlady hi for me and the news. I probably won't be around for a lot of fruitcup anymore.

*poof*

Sleep well!

1133 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:13:26pm

re: #1127 Gus 802

A lot of things can mimic cancer: polyps, warts, cysts, pimples, inflammation, etc. It's a good thing that your grandmother didn't proceed even with traditional treatment which of course requires an accurate biopsy. I have to admit that the opposite of the hokus pokus cures is aggressive chemo and treatment based on a poor diagnosis.

Boy, THAT is the truth. I had a spot of squamous cell carcinoma that developed on my lower eyelid, and had to have it removed with a procedure called Moh's Surgery. This past December, something I would have sworn was the same thing (I was quite convinced I was in for more Moh's) developed on the upper lid, but it was something completely benign. It looked identical to the squamous, to me.

1134 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:14:08pm

re: #622 Salamantis

What ever happened to that laetrile thingy? People were actually labelling a cyanide isomer derived from almonds as a cancer-curing Vitamin B-17 for a while...

My late aunt could tell you how well that shit works.

Need I say more?

1135 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:14:10pm

re: #1129 Killgore Trout

I've managed to cut my coffee intake to 2 cups a day. I'm pretty proud of that. Small steps, I figure. Trying to get too dramatic all at once would be too harsh on my system.

1136 Moonbeams  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:14:55pm

re: #1120 zombie

I'm exhausted by the end of my day (mother, full time student, 3/4th time job, etc etc) so I will post some links to Generation Rescue's website, as they provide many links to scientific based articles that I would otherwise just link to in the end. This is not an "out" on my behalf, just a very exhausted mother at 11pm at night. If you want to discuss further please email me, I will reply faster there instead of reading every message posted here. I tend to breeze through when I've got some free time, which is few and far between at the moment, the RSS feed headline is what caught my attention to the post to begin with.

Studies
Peer Reviewed Citations
and lastly Vaccine Info - this link actually is Generation Rescue's take on vaccines, as you can see they are NOT anti vaccine.

1137 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:17:11pm

re: #1127 Gus 802

A lot of things can mimic cancer: polyps, warts, cysts, pimples, inflammation, etc. It's a good thing that your grandmother didn't proceed even with traditional treatment which of course requires an accurate biopsy. I have to admit that the opposite of the hokus pokus cures is aggressive chemo and treatment based on a poor diagnosis.

I'm sure diagnosis is the key.

As I recall, she had the surgery in her home state. Even if it was cancer, maybe they got it all and recommended radiation just to make sure.

1138 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:17:24pm
1139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:18:38pm

re: #774 Gus 802

Bottled water is just a ploy to eventually poison us all in 12 years! It was devised by the Bush-Cheney-Halliburton cabal!

//

Gosh, are people in flyover country still drinking bottled water? Here in the Bay Area, all the best restaurants have been serving tap water for a couple of years now. It's fluoridated, and better for the environment!

/yes, I'm being sarcastic, but tap water did replace bottled at chichi SF establishments some time back. But they filter it, to get the not-so-straight from Hetch Hetchy taste out.

1140 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:19:12pm

re: #1137 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm sure diagnosis is the key.

As I recall, she had the surgery in her home state. Even if it was cancer, maybe they got it all and recommended radiation just to make sure.

Yes. I know that a lot of time they just bombard people with chemo even though there's no hope and in the end they curtail their life span. In the end they die of complications from chemo itself and not cancer or organ failure.

1141 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:21:48pm

re: #1128 capitalist piglet

I'm just trying to be nice to people, especially those who have gone through the anguish of trying to find a healing path for their child. I don't have any children, myself, but I don't have trouble understanding how desperate one must feel in such a situation. I had a brother who was paranoid schizophrenic (not to compare the disease with autism - it's just the only real health challenge in my family), and I watched my parents age drastically in the most difficult years; they eventually lost the battle, but I think they would have given their own lives to save him if they could.

It's always something to celebrate when the right path is found.

Schizophrenia is very very difficult to confront. And what adds to the difficulty is that I think there are actually three or four different conditions, all of which have been given the exact same name of schizophrenia. Some types can be cured or greatly ameliorated through some combination of pharmaceuticals, therapy and/or nutrition. But most cases are the result of a genetic condition, so they cannot be cured, no matter how hard you try. Which leads to great frustration on the family's part, because they perhaps see or hear that other schizophrenics have gotten better; so, why not their relative? It seems unfair. But most likely their relative has a genetic condition that is simply a permanent state of affairs.

I hope one day that mental health professionals can get better diagnostic tools and give a more precise description of the various forms of schizophrenia, to help the families of sufferers, if nothing else. We're still using these kind of antiquated Freud-era generic terms that conflate several types of ailments under one overall name.

1142 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:23:19pm

re: #799 nonic

People also used to die in childbirth, of simple infections, of conditions and events that we perform routine surgery for now. Times change. And good thing.

But it's interesting to me that there was a whole bunch of "common childhood diseases" that people took completely for granted just 50-some years ago -- millions and millions of us still alive today who had all those diseases -- and yet today, now, there is an entire younger population absolutely convinced that measles, for one, is a stalking killer out of the Middle Ages.

If nothing else, I'd hazard a guess that the pharmaceutical companies have done a very good job in marketing their potions.

For example, there's polio. My grandma survived polio, and went on to have a fine life. So did many other people.

That Salk guy was one hell of a marketer. Polio was just a common childhood disease a few decades back, and now we think of it as this terrible plague.

Perhaps I'm just not seeing this hysteria about measles you speak of. What I'm seeing, is people who've never known a family that lost a child to scarlet fever or the measles panicking because they think vaccines are a plot by Big Pharma.

1143 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:23:45pm

re: #1139 SanFranciscoZionist

Gosh, are people in flyover country still drinking bottled water? Here in the Bay Area, all the best restaurants have been serving tap water for a couple of years now. It's fluoridated, and better for the environment!

/yes, I'm being sarcastic, but tap water did replace bottled at chichi SF establishments some time back. But they filter it, to get the not-so-straight from Hetch Hetchy taste out.

And better for the teeth. Allegedly. I haven't seen much bottled water actually. The biggest seller is the cheap Green Tea cans. Next to that is Diet Pepsi and Diet Coke or the "energy" drinks.

1144 schnapp  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:24:33pm

that's actually quite funny charles
the principal of my old school was also called Lorraine Day.
:P

1145 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:25:53pm

re: #1142 SanFranciscoZionist

For example, there's polio. My grandma survived polio, and went on to have a fine life. So did many other people.

That Salk guy was one hell of a marketer. Polio was just a common childhood disease a few decades back, and now we think of it as this terrible plague.

Perhaps I'm just not seeing this hysteria about measles you speak of. What I'm seeing, is people who've never known a family that lost a child to scarlet fever or the measles panicking because they think vaccines are a plot by Big Pharma.

Yeah, Polio was just a Big Pharma conspiracy. We should have listened to the New Age gurus and just ignored it and ate better foods instead.

;)

//

1146 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:27:31pm

re: #1140 Gus 802

I don't know if they were doing chemo in her day. This was the 1950's and yes, I am old. We have another friend, recently deceased, who told me she was cured by the "cobalt" treatments back in the fifties. She lived into her late nineties. Even with all of the criticisms of our folks at the NIHS or who ever in the hell they are, they might make mistakes, but they are truly concerned about us.

1147 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:28:08pm

re: #1141 zombie

There are a few mental disorders like that. The other night some of us were discussing depression, and the use of drugs in dealing with that disorder. I feel the uses of drugs in coping with depression is over used, when therapy is preferable, but I'm well aware some people do have chemical imbalances in which drug therapy is the only real help. It's the confusion in diagnosis which is harmful, imo, in separating those in need of therapy vs. those with an actual imbalance. It creates more problems than it solves.

1148 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:31:28pm

I guess I am going upthread. I really should go to bed but the cops are still around my 'hood after that shooting.

1149 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:31:54pm

re: #852 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good evening, lizards, have been trying to catch up with the thread.

Just heard six gunshots down the street from my house. Creepy.

Just don't let them spook you. I mention this, because a friend of mine was unnerved by gunshots near his house one night (they live in San Pablo, I think he oughta be used to the gunshots by now, but anyway...) and he woke later that night to see a dark form standing in the hall outside his bedroom.

Reach over. Girlfriend asleep beside him.

Reach over. Dog asleep on the floor.

So he reaches over, slides his gun out of his bedside drawer, and is just about to yell warning or open fire--this was never clear to me--when it occurs to him that the dark figure is slightly oddly shaped. After staring intently at it for a second, he switches on the light, and discovers that girlfriend has moved her peacock feather collection.

He later defended himself by insisting that he was nervous that evening because of the gunshots earlier. I told him that the gunshots earlier were probably some other poor soul drilling his girlfriend's peacock feather collection.

1150 pbird  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:33:10pm

re: #1105 Gus 802

Interesting how one incident or miracle cure with no peer reviewed studies or controlled studies suddenly become science. Proper nutrition isn't rocket science nor is it a miracle cure. Many people, if not the majority, with fatal diseases have tried the nutrition route without success. A coffee enema does not and has never cured stage 3 colin cancer.

Jeez. The point is that the damn coffee enema is not the whole treatment. Its just a little part of it. If someone thinks coffee enemas will cure their cancer they are completely wrong.

1151 Gus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:33:18pm

re: #1146 Pvt Bin Jammin

I don't know if they were doing chemo in her day. This was the 1950's and yes, I am old. We have another friend, recently deceased, who told me she was cured by the "cobalt" treatments back in the fifties. She lived into her late nineties. Even with all of the criticisms of our folks at the NIHS or who ever in the hell they are, they might make mistakes, but they are truly concerned about us.

True. It's almost random. We had a guy in my building that died recently. Strong looking guy undergoing chemo. I didn't know he had cancer until he was near his end. The chemo made eating hurt from the swelling in his soft tissue -- even soup. I couldn't believe it when I heard it. So hard. He was only 36 or so.

1152 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:34:43pm

re: #1147 Sharmuta

You are so right, Sharm. Anti-depressants have become too commonly prescribed.

I had a doctor try to prescribe Prozac for me, because I was having trouble with the muscles in my hips; she was sure it was all in my head. I refused the drug, and found a massage therapist who solved the problem in two visits. The doctor, to her credit, called me at home and apologized for not believing me, telling me she had consulted with a physical therapist who informed her my symptoms were very real. She had that pad out though - talked to me for five minutes, and was positive Prozac was what I needed.

1153 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:34:54pm

re: #1147 Sharmuta

Exactly. Having a psychologist diagnose you as being "depressed" is a little like going to a doctor and having him diagnose you as being "sick." A little more specific, please! And diagnosing someone as "schizophrenic" is like a doctor diagnosing someone as "having a fever." We already know something's wrong! What we want to know is what causes it -- so that we can address the causes.

As of now, the mental health profession has a looooooong way to go before figuring these things out. We're still in the Dark Ages when it comes to understanding our minds.

1154 SFTech  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:38:37pm

Charles,

As an educated and analytical person, it may be MMR or it may be MMR reacting with one of the 8 other vaccinations (actual number) that they give at or close to the same time.

Factual- I work with a lady who has 3 children. Her youngest (a 15 month boy) received MMR along with 2 other vaccinations. Within 2 weeks he went from outgoing and happy to out of control and combative. The other 2 children were fine, he's now 8 and diagnosed with Autism.

Was it the MMR?
Was it MMR with the other vaccines?
Was it that she dropped him on his head and won't admit it?

Factual- Vaccines cause a whole list of side effects. This is simply a numbers game, some are common such as fever (1 in 15) or death (1 in 1.5 million). The death side effect seems really small and not worth worrying about---unless your child is that one. Like all drugs every person will reach differently to it. There is no way to tell and as a parent every choice is benefit vs. side effect.

Practical- As a new father of my first 14 month old, I want to do the best for my child. The doctors using FDA/AAP guidelines push vaccine after vaccine. It sure seems like it's 3x what I got.
[Link: www.cispimmunize.org...]

At 15 months the doctors want to give our child 5 live virus vaccines at the same time (MMR, Varicella, and one which I don't remember). Based on my co-workers experience, it scares the hell out of me. I'm all for giving our child all needed vaccines, I just want to space them out a little. I don't want to be "forced" into getting vaccines on the doctors schedule. Our Doctor told us it's on schedule or find another doctor. I'll have to say good-bye.

Dr. Sears offers an alternative schedule and I don't think he falls into Dr. Lorraine quack status. [Link: www.askdrsears.com...]

I'm open to some on topic discussion...

SFTech

PS. My wife (an RN) and I went in for flu shots at a large chain store a couple of months back. She was in front of me and she asked for the thimerosal free flu shot. They changed her paperwork (batch no, date etc.). When I got home and looked at mine they gave me the original flu shot. I may not die but that just seemed shady to me. Then again it's tough to tell if the headaches I've gotten ever since are do to the shot or Obama. I'm available for a long term paid study if anyone's interested.

1155 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:41:26pm

re: #1152 capitalist piglet

I have a family member who was put on zoloft for homesickness!

re: #1153 zombie

I'm very skeptical of psychotropic drugs, even though I am aware some people need them. Especially when it comes to teenagers. Gosh- a depressed teen? Say it ain't so! They've now come to find that the adolescent mind reacts differently to these drugs than adults. I would never put a kid on thees drugs unless all other options had been exhausted or a real chemical imbalanced could be shown to me.

1156 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:43:27pm

re: #1152 capitalist piglet

I know someone who went to a therapist to talk about fear -- specifically fear of doctors and ailments. The lazy therapist immediately recommended that the obvious solution was some nice big doses of Wellbutrin or Effexor or something like that. My friend's fear quotient immediately dectupled -- going to a doctor to get a prescription for a powerful drug was the very thing s/he was most afraid of! The idiotic therapist kept insisting. Luckily, my friend was smart enough to bail out.

A better therapist was obtained, and talking greatly improved the situation.

Psych professionals are totaly pill-happy these days. Mostly because they are lazy and incompetent. The latest trend is basically that "talk therapy" is useless, so why waste time on it -- just prescribe the pills right off the bat, and get to the next patient.

1157 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:47:08pm

re: #904 Guanxi88

The only folks, in my experience, who currently shhot off their mouths about the ability of TCM to cure cancer, etc., are westerners; crystal-clutching hippies of the first water.

Basically. Everyone Chinese I know uses Chinese medicine for general health, small ailments, preventive medicine, diabetes control and the like.

Things such as cancer, or anything requiring surgery, you go Western.

This is just plain common sense.

And then there are the non-Chinese folks who want there to be an herbal- or crystal-based remedy for everything.

1158 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:50:26pm

re: #928 nonic

The solution is simple. Don't let kids in school without the vaccinations. When my kids (now aged 20 throu 30) were entering school, that was the law. But today, parents are being allowed to opt out for religious reasons, privacy concerns, whatever kind of excuses a liberal school board is willing to accept.

I'm sure Obama will solve the problem for us. /

Not to mention private schools, homeschooling...and as Charles repeated last thread until he turned as blue as Sharmuta, this ain't just a liberal problem.

1159 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:51:43pm

re: #1156 zombie

When I was dealing with depression a number of years ago, I insisted up front with my therapist that I would not take drugs. I was there to deal with the root causes. Many people are just as lazy as the doctors and don't want to deal with their issues if they can just get a pill, so I don't think this is exclusively on doctors.

1160 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:54:22pm

re: #996 jcm

Armed robbery.....
A family value?

Man with child robs Ellensburg AM/PM

There was a rape on my college campus senior year where the perp brought his child with him.

Boggles the damn mind.

1161 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:03:50am

re: #946 EmmmieG

Well, having not been diagnosed with ADD (No H for me, just the spaciness), although my siblings were later, I can really say that...

Hey! Did you see that squirrel? Rain right across that branch.

...Oh, yeah, I was saying that what I have to do is make lists, because if I don't write it down, it's gone. Being an adult, having grown out of a lot of it, really helps.

No, I'm not making fun of ADD. I actually did that once. Stopped in the middle of a conversation to look at a squirrel over someone's shoulder.

And what's wrong with being alert to goings-on in your immediate environment? What if, instead of a squirrel, it was a runaway truck?

Being able to concentrate is good, but concentrating to the point of becoming oblivious to your surroundings could be unhealthy.

1162 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:18:26am

re: #1034 BlueCanuck

Yeah, kinda bad and kinda good. Our company is in contract renegotian with the site I worked at. One stipulation was that all guards that didn't want to work there had to be removed. Hence my removal. Have a new site now, just have to be trained and I will start next Tuesday. Closer to home, afternoon shifts, and a pay cut for the moment. Possibly be a pay raise for the new site in September. Had to bite my tongue on the whole communication issue.

Could be worse, I guess. If it gets you out of a place you didn't like to be, that must be worth something. Is working as a security guard something you like to do, or do you have plans to go onward?

If you'd rather not answer, just tell me to MMOB.

1163 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:24:37am

re: #1061 yochanan

iron lung machine

don't hear much call for those now adays, thanks to vaccines.

The Western Development Museum, in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan has on exhibit a home-built "iron lung", constructed of plywood and pieces cannibalized out of farm implements. And it actually worked, and saved the life of the person for whom it was built.

1164 Ontheleftcoast  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 4:54:59am

Stephen Barrett is a crank or worse. Quackwatch is the successor to the Lehigh Valley Council Against Health Fraud. Barrett has long had a bee in his bonnet about chiropractic and was part of the AMA's attempt to destroy the profession. That was shut down in the USA by an illegal restraint of trade case that the AMA unsuccessfully appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. Over 30 years New Zealand was deciding whether to license chiropractors; the government there set up a commission to look into it. Barrett testified in opposition. Among the commission's findings about Barrett and his work:

13. We have considered material published over Barrett's name. The chapter on chiropractic in The Health Robbers (entitled "The Spine Salesmen") was written by him. It is plainly propaganda. What we have seen of the rest of his writings on chiropractic has the same tone. Nothing he has written on chiropractic that we have considered can be relied on as balanced.
14. Other material which we have issued under the auspices of the Lehigh Valley Committee Against health Fraud has features which in our opinion render it unreliable on matters of fact. ...
18. It is clear that the enthusiasm of the Lehigh Valley Committee Against Health Fraud is greater than its respect for accuracy, at least in regards to facts concerning chiropractic. We are not prepared to place any reliance on material emanating from the Lehigh Valley Committee.

[Link: www.chiro.org...]

Since then, Barrett apparently has either completely or mostly unsuccessfully sued many (maybe dozens) of people for libel and such; a few years ago the judge in one case dismissed the suit and ordered Barrett to pay the defendant's costs.

1165 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 5:40:49am

Yikes! I just turned on ABC's "Good Morning America", and Diane Sawyer had the anti-vaccine bimbo Jenny McCarthy on as a guest. McCarthy's a pretty blonde with an autistic child. She's extremely telegenic. Millions of women were exposed to her perverse views today. She clearly works hard with her child. Too bad she blames vaccine for his plight. Too bad Dr. Paul Offit is receiving death threats because of her. And too bad ABC is spreading this malicious propaganda.

ABC, Diane Sawyer, and "Good Morning America" = Propagandists for needlessly exposing children to disease.

1166 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 5:48:47am

A final point: vaccination is the cheapest, most effective way to prevent disease. It should be the medical intervention of first resort in almost every case.

1167 theatheistjew  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:18:36am

Lorraine Day is also a raving anti-semite. Check it out.

1168 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:32:28am

re: #1167 theatheistjew

Lorraine Day is also a raving anti-semite. Check it out.

So... uh, the Jews cause autism?

/is there anything they can't do

1169 mrl325i  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:46:20am

A very interesting book that debunks the autism-vaccine connection:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

The author of "Autism's False Prophets", or course, has had threats made against him and his family.

I thought the most interesting item in the book was from some court testimony by a doctor who was testifying in the Vaccine Court on behalf (IIRC) of the manufacturers. The parents usually claim that their kids show signs of autism after they treceive the MMR at about 18 months. This doctor asked to see videos of the autistic kid's 1st birthday parties. With all of the hoopla surrounding them -- presents, balloons, cake, etc., these kids showed all of the earmarks of autism -- way before the MMR.

I think the likely cause for many of these cases is IVF.

1170 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:55:46am

And on cue, Scientific American is running an article blaming autism on inhalants during infancy: vinyl floors, poor ventilation, and mothers who smoke (via Slashdot).

I suspect autism is genetic; a gene which might make you smart and a little nerdy would make you autistic if you get two copies from your parents. But that would make intelligence genetic too and SciAm won't even think about that...

1171 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:01:13am

If it was the same population in California as 50 years ago, then yes, genetics could be ruled out. But in the 1980s and 1990s, a huge influx of nerds swarmed into the West Coast: Silicon Valley, Microsoft etc etc. Eventually some of them were going to find dates (somehow) and then have kids.

1172 Emerald  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:12:02am

re: #349 Bobblehead

Me too. Love the purple, green and orange cauliflower. So pretty when cooked.

I've never tried those - how does the taste compare to the plain white?

1173 KansasMom  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:17:08am

re: #1169 mrl325i

I think the likely cause for many of these cases is IVF.

Huh? Are we making stuff up now?

This of course, touches a nerve for any 'mom' like myself. Unless you have the medical training to do your own research its nearly impossible to wade through the mountains of contradictory information shoved at us about vaccinations. I vaccinate my kids, because I figure the statistics are on my side that the vaccine is safer than what the vaccine protects against. (Math I can handle, biochemistry notsomuch) But I lose sleep about doing it to, worrying about whether they'll have a reaction. Not necessarily autism, but any form of nasty reaction, which is completely possible with any medication.

1174 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:47:28am
1175 Perplexed  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:58:03am

Of course it can't be the environment pre/post natal now can it?

Mother's smoking, vinyl flooring, indoor air pollution etc.

1176 rolltideroll  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:15:23am

I believe I can explain the increase in Autism rates. We were not as capable of diagnosing Autism previously, now that we better understand the disease, it can be more readily diagnosed and treated.The same effect would be witnessed when we discovered cancer. Following the discovery, cancer rates shot up. Was Autism always this high, or is there another reason?Once more,people appear to be panicking over unreliable data.

1177 Utah Chris  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:33:57am

We are unsure if there is a link between autism and the thimerosol used as a preservative in childhood vaccines. I am a Chemical Engineer and have no idea of the effects small quantities of mercury in the vaccine may have upon the health of my child or the mix of a "cocktail" of different vaccines. We opted to reduce the risk possibility by having vaccines administered separately rather than in a single massive cocktail doses of several vaccines combined. The exposure to thimersol in the single incremental doses was less in concentration and in total dosage (micrograms total) than in the cocktail according to the details provided by the doctor on the MSDS sheet that we requested in advance for each vaccine. If a child were exposed to mercury in the home, this would be a serious issue to local health organizations, but since it is a preservative in this vaccine, I don't believe anyone is giving it serious consideration as either an acute or chronic exposure path. I agree there is no documented link between autism and childhood vaccines, but as a parent, it is my right, nay, my obligation to consider all the risks I expose my child to and make informed decisions about each. We opted for single vaccines to reduce the mercury exposure and at the same time provide the vaccine. I'm not sure why thimerosol is still used as a preservative anyway. From the time of manufacture to administering the vaccine, we should not need the long storage time any longer and therefore not need thimerosol.

1178 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:04:21am

re: #1169 mrl325i

A very interesting book that debunks the autism-vaccine connection:

[Link: [Link: www.amazon.com...]...]
The author of "Autism's False Prophets", or course, has had threats made against him and his family.

I thought the most interesting item in the book was from some court testimony by a doctor who was testifying in the Vaccine Court on behalf (IIRC) of the manufacturers. The parents usually claim that their kids show signs of autism after they treceive the MMR at about 18 months. This doctor asked to see videos of the autistic kid's 1st birthday parties. With all of the hoopla surrounding them -- presents, balloons, cake, etc., these kids showed all of the earmarks of autism -- way before the MMR.

sigh. of course. but people just really start to notice the problem when comparing an 18 month old-2 year old autistic kid to all the "normal" toddlers around them. that's when kids really bloom in terms of interacting with the world around them, so it's when parents first clue in that something is wrong.

1179 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:46am

Home-school your kids, Mike. There's liberal brainwashing and then there's paranoid hippy brainwashing.

1180 panda  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:13am

Funny as a physician I just got this in the e-mail yesterday from Medscape (an on-line journal for physicians):

[Link: www.medscape.com...]

In brief, there is no scientific link between autism and the MMR vaccine. Period.

Full text of the editorial:

No Evidence Supports Previously Held Link Between Vaccines and Autism

Laurie Barclay, MD

February 9, 2009 — There is no cause for parental concern that childhood immunization might cause autism, according to the results of a new review that shows no link between vaccines and autism. The review is published in the February 15 issue of Clinical Infectious Diseases.

"Vaccines don't cause autism — 20 studies now show no link between vaccines and autism," senior author Paul A. Offit, MD, chief of infectious diseases, The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, told Medscape Infectious Diseases. "I think that many people are reassured by these studies, although there are still a group of parents who hold that vaccines cause autism, much as some people hold a religious belief. To those people, it really doesn't matter how many studies you do, it's not going to change their minds."

More education is needed to prevent further disease resurgence among children whose parents have refused vaccination based on this unfounded fear, he added.

Three Theoretical Links

Three specific hypotheses have been offered to suggest a theoretical link between vaccines and autism. The review describes how each of these theories originated and summarizes the pertinent epidemiological data, which refute the 3 hypotheses.

"The first theory concerned the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine; the second, that it wasn't the MMR vaccine specifically but a mercury-containing preservative, thimerosal; and the third, that the simultaneous administration of many vaccines is just too much for a young child's immune system," Bryan H. King, MD, co-chair, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Autism and Intellectual Disabilities Committee, told Medscape Infectious Diseases when asked for independent comment.

The first hypothesis is that the combination MMR vaccine damages the gastrointestinal lining, thereby permitting the entrance of encephalopathic proteins and causing autism. After publication of a 1998 study in The Lancet suggesting an association between MMR vaccine and autism, 13 subsequent studies performed in 5 different countries showed no such link. The reviewers concluded that no data supported any causal connection between the MMR vaccine and autism, and that any apparent association was coincidental, because the MMR vaccine is typically administered at the age when symptoms of autism first emerge.

"While rates of immunization have been constant or declined, the incidence of autism has increased, and the rate of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children is the same," said Dr. King, who is professor and vice chair of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and director of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at University of Washington and Seattle Children's Hospital. "Neither the timing of onset, nor the severity of autism, differ whether or when a child gets immunized,"

The second hypothesis is that thimerosal, an ethyl mercury–containing preservative used for more than 50 years in some vaccines, causes central nervous system toxicity. However, the review describes 7 studies from 5 countries demonstrating that autism rates were not affected by the presence or absence of thimerosal in vaccines.

These 20 epidemiologic studies showing that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism were conducted by many different investigators, using a variety of epidemiologic and statistical methods.

"Even very rare associations, if they existed, would have been detectable given the large size of studied populations," Dr. King said. "Studies on the causes of autism sh

1181 panda  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:33am

Sorry, the last part of the editorial was cut off. Here is the rest of it:

"Even very rare associations, if they existed, would have been detectable given the large size of studied populations," Dr. King said. "Studies on the causes of autism should focus on more promising leads."

The third hypothesis is that giving multiple vaccines simultaneously overwhelms or weakens the immune system. In rebuttal, the review authors point out that the immune system in childhood routinely processes far more antigenic material than the relatively small amount contained in vaccines, and that it is biologically implausible that vaccines overwhelm a child's immune system, even if the system is still immature.

"The challenge to the immune system from modern vaccines — even in multiple combinations — is actually significantly less than was given routinely to children back in 1980 (long before the autism epidemic)," Dr. King said.

Finally, the review authors note that autism is not triggered by an immune response, and they suggest that future research on the biological basis of autism should prove or refute alternative, more plausible hypotheses.

While the risks of vaccination concerning autism are theoretical and shown not to be valid, the risks of not being vaccinated are real and sometimes fatal.

"We've already seen the outcomes of choosing not to comply — over the last 10 years or so, we've had outbreaks of pertussis among a relatively unvaccinated population of children," Dr. Offit said. "We had a measles outbreak in this country that was bigger than anything we've had in a decade. Now we have a cluster of cases of Haemophilus Influenzae meningitis where 3 parents chose not to have their child vaccinated; all 3 children got meningitis, and all 3 of them died."

Dr. Offit noted, "The question becomes, ultimately, when do we reach the tipping point? When do we say that exempting from vaccines is creating a problem not only for those children whose parents choose not to vaccinate but for those children in the community?"

Education of the lay public, as well as the healthcare community, is needed if unfounded fears of vaccination are to be dispelled.

The "Right to Catch and Transmit Potentially Fatal Infection"

"Public health officials and the academic community are really trying to communicate this science to the public, but it's a real challenge," Dr. Offit said. "Is it your right to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection? Right now, the answer to that question is yes, but we'll see how long it takes before the answer to that question is no."

He added that it would be unethical to do a prospective study in which some children were not vaccinated, given the known harms of failure to vaccinate, and that retrospective studies would have methodological issues because the groups would differ in characteristics other than their vaccination status.

"Focusing our precious research time and talent on questions that have been asked and answered not only contributes to ongoing confusion — for example, about whether or not to be immunized — but also will delay us from finding real answers to this critical problem," Dr. King concluded. "Parents and clinicians should have candid discussions about the risks and benefits of vaccination including the avoidance of potentially catastrophic diseases. It will be hard not to mention autism in this context, as it may give the impression that doctors are trying to hide something, and parents should feel empowered to ask these and any other questions of their clinicians, but on the other hand, constantly linking autism and vaccines in the same sentence may continue to suggest that a relationship exists when there is no evidence to support it."

Dr. Offit is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq (Merck) and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. Dr. King has disclosed no relevant financial relationships.

Clin Infect Dis. 2009;48:456–461.

1182 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:33:33pm

Some additional references for perusal:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

Be careful who you use as references. Quackwatch is a rather biased resource for information on anything healthcare-related.

1183 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:14:06pm

I think that some people want, even need, to blame vaccines for their childrens' autism, because one of the main alternative possibilities - that the disorder could be genetically predisposed, and that therefore they might be genopmically defective and heritably responsible - is simply too horrifying for them to contemplate.

1184 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:21:34pm

re: #1182 moose_29

Oh yeah -- "Associated Content" is so much better. They feature Truthers:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

Nirthers:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

And kooks of every stripe. Their "associated content" is supplied by anyone who can post at the site.

Both articles you posted are by "alternative medicine" apologists, with a huge axe to grind against Quackwatch because they've been so effective at exposing the phonies who bilk so many people out of money -- such as Lorraine Day and Max Gerson.

1185 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:35:53pm

I take it the courts who decided in favor of those opposing Barrett are wrong then? The court decisions are real, I merely posted the links to the first information I came across ( I would have looked for other sources had I known of the writer`s background). If you have information that casts doubt on the veracity of the information, please provide it. Having said that, I will try to find a suitable source for the information. Are there any specific standards that you require to accept that the information (albeit from a writer whose views on other topics you disapprove of) in the articles is true?

1186 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #1185 moose_29

I take it the courts who decided in favor of those opposing Barrett are wrong then? The court decisions are real, I merely posted the links to the first information I came across ( I would have looked for other sources had I known of the writer`s background). If you have information that casts doubt on the veracity of the information, please provide it. Having said that, I will try to find a suitable source for the information. Are there any specific standards that you require to accept that the information (albeit from a writer whose views on other topics you disapprove of) in the articles is true?

You tell me -- you're the one who urged caution about sources, then linked to a site with almost no credibility.

1187 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:45:38pm

I am merely asking if you want a link to the court transcript, or will an AP article do, carved in stone tablets, etc. what level of credibility do you want?

1188 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:54:44pm

re: #1187 moose_29

I am merely asking if you want a link to the court transcript, or will an AP article do, carved in stone tablets, etc. what level of credibility do you want?

So if I understand your point, you're saying that because there was a civil court case that went against Quackwatch, that means we should ignore all the facts they've published about Day and Gerson?

You don't have to take Quackwatch's word for any of this, of course. It's a very simple matter to dig up more stuff that corroborates every word they wrote about these two quacks.

Start with their own websites.

1189 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:57:32pm

Here's some more information on the guy you're trying to discredit, Stephen Barrett:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Barrett is a 1957 graduate of the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and completed his psychiatry residency in 1961. In 1967 and 1968 he followed part of a correspondence course in American Law and Procedure at La Salle Extension University (Chicago).[2] He was a practicing physician until retiring from active practice in 1993, and his medical license is currently listed as "Active-Retired" in good standing.[3] Longtime resident of Allentown, Pennsylvania, Barrett now resides in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.[4]

In addition to webmastering his websites, Barrett is a co-founder, vice-president and a board member of the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He is an advisor to the American Council on Science and Health, and a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI). From 1987 through 1989, he taught health education at Pennsylvania State University.

Barrett is the consulting editor for the Consumer Health Library at Prometheus Books,[5] has been a peer-review panelist for at least[6] two[7][8] medical journals. He has also served on the editorial board of Medscape[9] and The Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine.[10] According to his website, he "has written more than 2,000 articles and delivered more than 300 talks at colleges, universities, medical schools, and professional meetings. His media appearances include Dateline, the Today Show, Good Morning America, Primetime, Donahue, CNN, National Public Radio, and more than 200 other radio and television talk show interviews."[6]

Barrett has received a number of awards and recognition for his consumer protection work against quackery. Quackwatch received the award of Best Physician-Authored Site by MD NetGuide, May 2003.[1] In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's Special Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery.[11] He received multiple votes or at least one first-place vote in "10 outstanding skeptics of the 20th century by Skeptical Inquirer magazine.[12] In 1986, he was awarded honorary membership in the American Dietetic Association.[11] Barrett has been profiled in Biography Magazine (1998)[13] and in Time Magazine (2001).

1190 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 2:11:42pm

I hear Al Gore has lots of accolades as well...

1191 eaglewingz08  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 2:51:13pm

There's pretty conclusive scientific proof from Japan that vaccines don't cause or contribute to autism. For about five years the supposed autism inducing vaccines weren't used in Japan, thus kids weren't exposed to those deadly vaccines that are the bete noire of the leftards. Yet the rate of autism increased during those golden years, but did not accelerate at an even faster clip once the 'culpable' vaccines came back into play.

1192 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 3:01:30pm

To be clear, I know jack about Day and Gerson, so I have no opinion in defense of them. Barrett may be right about them, but I know he has been wrong about quite a few other things. I am loathe to take anything he says at face value.

Regarding autism, I do know that pretty smart folks like Martha Herbert, Simon Baron-Cohen , and more than a few others are looking at the autistic spectrum disorders with respect to autoimmune effects on myelination of the brain cortices. From there, dysfunctional structure of the neurons makes it much more likely to see the deficiencies in behaviour typically associated with autism.

Vaccination is an immune event, so in children who have predisposing factors (inherited genetic deficiencies, maternal stressors like poor diet, lack of exercise, drug use, etc.) which weaken the child`s ability to cope with some of the less pleasant components of the vaccines (see [Link: www.phac-aspc.gc.ca...] can react. Vaccination does not necessarily CAUSE autism, but it can act in a contributory fashion.

1193 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 3:15:56pm

re: #1192 moose_29

To be clear, I know jack about Day and Gerson, so I have no opinion in defense of them. Barrett may be right about them, but I know he has been wrong about quite a few other things. I am loathe to take anything he says at face value.

You haven't named one thing he's been wrong about. When I search Google, the anti-Barrett people all seem to be chiropractors or "alternative medicine" promoters, which isn't surprising.

Vaccination does not necessarily CAUSE autism, but it can act in a contributory fashion.

There is absolutely no evidence for this statement.

1194 moose_29  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 3:24:59pm

see the Bailey Banks case. vaccination reaction leading to ADEM leading to PDD-NOS. PDD-NOS is a part of the spectrum of autistic disorders. see

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1195 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #1194 moose_29

Yep, I thought so. You ARE trying to promote this hoax.

Please do see this about the Bailey Banks case:

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Anti-vaccinationists have their talking points, just like creationists, and this is one of them.

1196 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 4:02:41pm

And by the way, a court decision is NOT scientific evidence.

1197 deesine  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:04:50pm

re: #1183 Salamantis

I think that some people want, even need, to blame vaccines for their childrens' autism, because one of the main alternative possibilities - that the disorder could be genetically predisposed, and that therefore they might be genopmically defective and heritably responsible - is simply too horrifying for them to contemplate.

A close friend of mine has three children with autism, and first alerted me to the link between autism and vaccines. I gently pointed out that the mother was a drunk/drug abuser with a history of mental illness: might that be a contributing factor, at least as much as any vaccine.

He's very easy going; agreed and then joked that more scientists have studied the vaccine connection than had studied his wife. They are no longer married, and he's not had any more children.

1198 ontheleftcoast  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:00:43pm

It's not surprising that chiropractors don't like Barrett. He had close ties to the AMA's Committee on Quackery which had a secret project to "contain or eliminate" the practice of chiropractic. That came out in the landmark Wilk v AMA trial (the quote is from internal AMA documents that were leaked by an informant who IIRC called himself "Sore Throat;" this wasn't too long after the Watergate hearings.)
The AMA considered chiropractors to be economic competitors and was found to have engaged in illegal restraint of trade. That's a fairly sterile phrase but it included the clause of the AMA's code of ethics that made it unethical for a MD to have any professional association with "unscientific practitioners" which of course included chiropractors.
The plaintiffs sued in the first place because radiologists in their communities not only wouldn't take their orders for X-ray studies but -- it happened to me, too-- refused (in many cases in violation of State law) to honor their patients' written requests to release their medical records to a chiropractor. This in many cases forced a chiropractor who needed to rule out pathology to obtain a second set of X-rays of the same area that had just been X-rayed by the MD radiologist.
Another incident involved a neurologist who was providing consultations for Kentuckiana (kentuckiana.org), a charitable multidisciplinary clinic for multiply handicapped kids. The neurologist was threatened with loss of his hospital privileges if he didn't stop this unethical behavior. There was a modest monetary penalty imposed on the AMA by the appeals court; the plaintiffs donated it all to Kentuckiana.
As I mentioned, Barrett also gave testimony in an effort to help keep chiropractic out of New Zealand. The link I included in my previous post accurately reproduces the NZ Commission's words concerning Barrett.
So yes. The chiropractic profession doesn't think well of him.

1199 Keebler  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:11:39pm

re: #1120 zombie

Very glad to read that you were able to greatly improve your child's health and mental state with good diet etc.

However, I don't see any part in your comment where you draw any connection between vaccines and you child's (now cured) moderate autism. You say at the beginning that "I disagree with the contention that vaccines and autism are not related," but then you never follow that up with any evidence of a connection. What am I missing?

I am the father of the child moonbeams spoke about. To answer your question regarding the linkage to vaccines, we both believe that there is a genetic predisposition in play that causes some individuals to have trouble processing heavy metal exposure. In our case, we believe our son suffers with this problem, and was exposed to levels of mercury through direct vaccination (Thimerosal) and also in utero (through his mom's vaccinations and mercury amalgams) that were beyond his ability to process.

If you research mercury poisoning, you find find many similar behavior patterns between those poisoned, and those with autism. The metabolic pathways have been well researched, and the effect to neurological function well documented.

Through a process known as chelation, individuals that have been poisoned with heavy metals can reduce the toxic load on their bodies, and recover. What many parents of children with autism have found is that the same stands true for their child.

Coupled with the heavy metals neurotoxicity, many of these children suffer gastrointestinal problems. These are generally found to relate back to the consumption of certain foods. In our sons case, wheat and dairy products.

He spent the first two years of his life never sleeping more than three hours in a stretch, and pulling his own hair from his head, along with a constant rash on his arms and legs. He would scratch himself to the point he bled.

Within a week of dietary changes, he slept through the night for the first time. The rash started to subside. Following up with chelation, he started to come out of his fog. Extensive ABA (behavioral) therapy helped him to begin to learn about and process the world around him.

So, do vaccines cause autism? No, not in our opinion. Do they contribute to autism? We believe so. Is every case different? Absolutely.


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