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World | Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:25:08 am PDT

We may not like what President Obama is doing domestically, but this is exactly the right thing to do when the Taliban threaten to attack America: Drone Attack Kills 12 After Taliban Threatens DC.

An American drone once again struck a suspected militant camp in Pakistan. 12 people are dead, and 13 more are wounded, residents of Khadizai village tell Reuters.

It’s the first known attack since President Obama announced his new war strategy for the region — one that places heavy emphasis on destroying jihadist networks in Pakistan. The President pledged that no ground troops would be sent into Pakistan, to take out the terrorists. So the unmanned strikes are likely to increase, Pentagon officials tell Danger Room.

According to the New York Times, the attack was “apparently aimed at one of the area’s most important Taliban leaders, Hakimullah Mehsud” — but missed. He’s a top lieutenant to Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, who took credit earlier this week for the slaughter in a Lahore police training compound. “It’s revenge for the drone attacks in Pakistan,” he told Reuters. Separately, Mehsud told the Associated Press: “Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”

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1 saberry0530  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:26:34am

HA! Asshole Taliban...

2 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:26:56am

change i CAN believe in (for now)

3 simonml  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:27:42am

At least he's doing ONE thing right...

I've got a message for you Taliban:

[deleted]!

4 markx  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:27:52am

A broke clock is right twice a day...

5 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:28:03am

wonder who pulled the trigger on that decision ... cuz I don't think Obama can decide what toilet paper to use ... I "hope" the person who is making the decisions regarding terrorists ... is Pro-American ...

6 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:28:04am

Pock-ee-stahn in the crosshairs.

7 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:28:30am

I am pretty certain that Pakistan is going to allow Obama to do almost anything he wants to do in Pakistan. After all, the One has staked his reputation on winning in Afghanistan.

8 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:28:43am

I'll give Obama some props for at least leaving the military actions (for the most part) to the professionals. Granted, he's screwing up enough other stuff.

Still, the idea we can reach out to "moderate" Taliban is insane. They have to be destroyed.

9 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:28:56am

Time to dust off some MOABs.

10 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:29:10am

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

11 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

I'll give Obama some props for at least leaving the military actions (for the most part) to the professionals. Granted, he's screwing up enough other stuff.

Still, the idea we can reach out to "moderate" Taliban is insane. They have to be destroyed.

Draw them out into the open with some bait, then blast them.

12 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:29:49am

IMO, this is the only sort of "reaching out to the Taliban" the US should be doing.

13 markx  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:30:10am

Oops... I guess they forgot to unclench the fist...

14 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:30:14am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

Obama, war criminal.

15 opnion  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:30:16am

Credit, where credit is due. Go BHO whack the Taleebahn.

16 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:08am

did he do this while in europe so he could look like a tough guy? because that MUST be the "hoped for" outcome? give credit if it is due.

17 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:13am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

Although they deny it publicly, the Pakistani gov't has given permission to the US to launch these drone attacks.

18 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:21am

I'm just going to sit back, watch, and wait to see if the same nutjobs who condemned Bush for this go and condemn Obama for it.

19 simonml  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:23am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

Time to dust off some MOABs.

Actually this Administration is going to stick with "proven technology." We're starting an AM radio station in Islamabad that will play propaganda 24/7.

20 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:37am

I would like to know what, if any, cooperation we are getting from Pakistan.

21 Penny T. Wienerdog  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:31:39am

Predator Drones--turning terrorists in to grease stains since 2001

22 opnion  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:32:00am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

If Bush had done this , they would be indicting him in Madrid right now.

23 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:32:35am

One up ding for the President.

24 rightside  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:32:40am

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

Don't hold your breath.

25 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:32:50am

What is it they call this now?

Overseas contingency plan or something like that?

26 yesandno  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:33:00am

Credit where credit is due...

However, should we ge attacked: He best be prepared for the line that he started it...

27 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:33:14am

Breaking news: U.S. Commander-in-Chief does his job.

28 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:33:30am

I like it when an assassination attack misses. Really. I like that the guy becomes a danger to everyone he approaches.

29 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:33:30am

The One did the right thing. Kudos to him.

/Although I'd bet the eon homestead the actual proposal came from Gates at DOD

Waiting for the Koslings. Code Pink, etc., to explode in three, two, one...

cheers

eon

30 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:34:11am

re: #20 Russkilitlover

I would like to know what, if any, cooperation we are getting from Pakistan.


i guess we're seeing what $1.5 billion/year in aid will purchase. It's sad that we now have to not only kill the bad guys, but also PAY for the right to do this noble deed. The world is an "f'd" up place ...

31 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:34:27am

Posted in the last thread

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

U.S. reconciliation offer "lunatic": Taliban spokesman

32 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:34:37am

re: #26 yesandno

Credit where credit is due...

However, should we ge attacked: He best be prepared for the line that he started it...

I'm just waiting for a Gitmo detainee to do something if they're released. Once again, he's the catalyst.

33 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:34:43am

re: #17 Kenneth

Although they deny it publicly, the Pakistani gov't has given permission to the US to launch these drone attacks.

Pakistan is not the US Congress.

34 Penny T. Wienerdog  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:34:43am

re: #29 eon

The One did the right thing. Kudos to him.

/Although I'd bet the eon homestead the actual proposal came from Gates at DOD

Waiting for the Koslings. Code Pink, etc., to explode in three, two, one...

cheers

eon

sadly, they will hail Pres. Hope-n-change as a hero.

35 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #24 rightside

Don't hold your breath.

Oh, believe me, I'm not. I'm just gonna watch and wait and see what they say.

36 Elcid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:35:14am

To his credit, agree with his actions concerning these vile inSects. I'm quite and pleasantly surprised by his continued Bush policy. In fact, seems like the Big O, has stepped it up a few notches.

37 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:35:15am

re: #28 itellu3times

I like it when an assassination attack misses. Really. I like that the guy becomes a danger to everyone he approaches.

I understand that logic. Now we get to blow up at least one more meeting place where he may be, netting some more terrorists who aren't the main target.

38 Power Armored Lizardoid[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:35:20am
39 opnion  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:36:20am

Commander In Chief Obama now has the War on Overseas Contingencies in full swing. He will soon announce that "We will hunt down all Contingencies."

40 sattv4u2[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:36:21am
41 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:36:41am

Right on, this one landed in Orakzai Agency, one of the areas where the Taliban has carried out a two year long assassination and intimidation campaign.

42 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:36:49am

Of course I support these actions and think they should be escalated 10 fold, but I will be a nudnik about the whole "double standard" thing and apply the same litmus test to everything this Commander in Cheif that was given to Bush and is given to a insane degree to Israel.

Any civilians in that village?

43 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:36:58am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

it's a WAR CRIME!

44 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:37:28am

re: #7 JohnnyReb

I am pretty certain that Pakistan is going to allow Obama to do almost anything he wants to do in Pakistan. After all, the One has staked his reputation on winning in Afghanistan.

* * * *
Plus Pres. Obama's giving Pakistan 3 billion dollars, though you know some of that will "trickle down" to the ISI and therefore to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, their students.

Bakshish all around for these narcostates, that need a good dose of penicillin.

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:37:35am

Glenn Beck has proof that the Taliban has an original copy of Obama's Nirth Cirtifikit and these missile strikes are Obama's attempt to destroy the evidence.
/

46 albusteve[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:37:47am
47 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #19 simonml

Actually this Administration is going to stick with "proven technology." We're starting an AM radio station in Islamabad that will play propaganda 24/7.

CNN Radio?

48 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:38:13am

re: #42 Ben Hur

Civilian deaths will be claimed whether there were any or not. I have this from good sources.

49 simonml  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:38:50am

re: #46 albusteve

you are almost a lunatic

I disagree. He's full blown. But I like your sense of humor

50 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:13am

re: #38 Power Armored Lizardoid

WRONG ANSWER!

51 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #40 sattv4u2

Yeah, probably true...But more and more, the politicians are proving themselves to be as inimical to this country as anyone in the Taliban...You can destroy a country with bombs or with socialism, the end result is much the same...

52 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:29am

re: #28 itellu3times

I like it when an assassination attack misses. Really. I like that the guy becomes a danger to everyone he approaches.

He becomes radioactive. Or he should be.

53 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #42 Ben Hur

Of course I support these actions and think they should be escalated 10 fold, but I will be a nudnik about the whole "double standard" thing and apply the same litmus test to everything this Commander in Cheif that was given to Bush and is given to a insane degree to Israel.

Any civilians in that village?

While I cheer that they are at least taking action, you are correct. This would have been front page NYT stuff about war crimes, treason and the like a few short months ago. However, it is a brave new world order out there now with Bambi in charge.

The MSM is so in the tank for him, they can't see the blazing orange 20 foot high double standard.

54 jimc  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:38am

Some Berkeley pinko commie panties just got in a bunch...since their Obamesiah didn't retreat as promised...

55 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:51am

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.

56 Charles  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:53am

re: #38 Power Armored Lizardoid

If you post another comment like that your account will be blocked. This is the only warning I'm going to give. You should know better.

57 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:39:58am

while I agree that this has to be done
all the same, the devil in me wants 0bama indicted for war crimes

and taken from the G20 in handcuffs

58 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:03am

re: #48 Thanos

Civilian deaths will be claimed whether there were any or not. I have this from good sources.


No sh*t.

59 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #49 simonml

I disagree. He's full blown. But I like your sense of humor

good thing you saved his post, because he quoted the lunatic...

60 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:14am

re: #48 Thanos

Civilian deaths will be claimed whether there were any or not. I have this from good sources.

Only bombs dropped during the Bush administration killed "civilians".

61 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:15am

Well - I'd say, kudos to Gen. Petraeus, who must have been able to convince PB0 to let him do his job, and let him do it his way ...

62 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:30am

I'm sure Barry will be asking who fired the missile once we gets done being the pivot man for the G20

63 redheadredstate  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:32am

For the upteenth time in my life I'm proud of my country ...and my hubby. He works in defense and his specialty is missles and drones. Good job hon!

64 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:45am

re: #48 Thanos

Civilian deaths will be claimed whether there were any or not. I have this from good sources.

Actually, in the Obama administration, our accuracy has improved so dramatically, that we are only killing over seas contingents, not one civilian.
/

65 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:58am

And that's how you do it. No forewarning, no nothing except a big smoketrail.

66 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:40:59am

re: #38 Power Armored Lizardoid

Please don't even say things like that in jest. Sarcasm and irony are difficult things to type - much harder than if spoken aloud. Even a sarc tag can be missed - or left out of a copy/paste by someone who wants to use posts like this to denounce Charles and the rest of us here.

As I said in another thread, the folks in Washington - including the senators and congressmen and women - are my fellow Americans, and I would gladly volunteer my time and, if necessary my life, to help protect or assist them.

67 ziggyelman  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:41:13am

re: #57 Adrenalyn

while I agree that this has to be done
all the same, the devil in me wants 0bama indicted for war crimes

and taken from the G20 in handcuffs

Don't you mean Frogmarched? ;)

68 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:41:24am

In response, to show how tough they are, the Taliban will throw acid into some poor female's face.

69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:41:28am

re: #48 Thanos

Civilian deaths will be claimed whether there were any or not. I have this from good sources.

"Why the hell do we keep bombing weddings?"

70 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:41:55am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"Why the hell do we keep bombing weddings?"

i thought it was "air raiding villages..."

71 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:07am

re: #55 jorline

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.

PIMF...should have read.

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping ding, Vasili. One ping ding only, please.

Sean Connery
"Hunt For Red October"

72 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:10am

re: #63 redheadredstate

For the upteenth time in my life I'm proud of my country ...and my hubby. He works in defense and his specialty is missles and drones. Good job hon!

Cheers to our husbands!

73 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:14am

Pakistan = Cambodia.

74 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:21am

re: #38 Power Armored Lizardoid

Sounds like you are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. Way wrong.

75 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:43am

re: #73 Ben Hur

Pakistan = Cambodia.

let's send Kerry there for Christmas...

76 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:45am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"Why the hell do we keep bombing weddings?"


As long as it is not a gay wedding. That would get the code pinkos in an uproar.

77 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:46am

re: #56 Charles

Sorry, Charles. Didn't mean to cross the line. Just p.o.'d and frustrated.

78 kansas  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:42:55am

Could somebody get him stop riding roughshod over us here at home?

79 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:43:13am

re: #31 sattv4u2

Posted in the last thread

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

U.S. reconciliation offer "lunatic": Taliban spokesman

"We want our freedom and respect for our independence", Mujahid said.

They had that, and could have kept it, even to the butchering teachers and forcing women into purdah and keeping them illiterate bit, to say nothing of blowing up historic monuments from religions they disapproved of. We didn't like it, but we weren't going to go to war to stop it.

All they had to do was turn over the people they had been hosting for over a decade, who openly boasted of being responsible for the mass murder of 2700+ innocent Americans and others on September 11, 2001. Instead, they congratulated UBL and al-Qaeda for "striking a blow against the great Satan", and bragged that we could do nothing about it- pointing to Carter's Papa-Cubed job re Iran.

Like the old song says, you don't spit into the wind. It might just come back and hit you in the eye.

cheers

eon

80 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:43:34am

Diplomatic messages are subject to mis-interpretation.

There is no nuance in a Hellfire statement.

81 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:43:39am

re: #61 yma o hyd

Well - I'd say, kudos to Gen. Petraeus, who must have been able to convince PB0 to let him do his job, and let him do it his way ...

I don't think BO wants to tangle with the General at all...he has no fear of BO or his career and knows exactly what he's doing...he is way over BOs head imo

82 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #63 redheadredstate

For the upteenth time in my life I'm proud of my country ...and my hubby. He works in defense and his specialty is missles and drones. Good job hon!


We are proud of our country and your husband as well.

83 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:43:56am

re: #36 Elcid

To his credit, agree with his actions concerning these vile inSects. I'm quite and pleasantly surprised by his continued Bush policy. In fact, seems like the Big O, has stepped it up a few notches.

I honestly don't think he has any other choice...at THIS time. The generals have probably had this in the works for some time. However, I expect more Obama Hope-n-Blather foreign policy positions will replace current strategy.

84 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:01am

Don't get excited yet.

Obama remains Obama and he might be fighting a war the way Olmert fought wars.

Bomb a little and then call it a day and get out pretending to have won with the enemy remaining in place.

85 kansas  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:14am

"We want our freedom and respect for our independence", Mujahid said.

No shit there Mujahid. But lots of luck with that. Just check out the changes in the US.

86 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck has proof that the Taliban has an original copy of Obama's Nirth Cirtifikit and these missile strikes are Obama's attempt to destroy the evidence.
/

* * * *
In fact, Daniel Hannan, the sensational straighttalking Mr. "You Have Run Out Of OUR Money" will be on Glenn Beck today. Talk about a fiscal revolutionary patriot.

87 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:32am

Wildly OT - but the Beeb, trying to show the press conference of Sarkozy and Merkel is incapable of finding anybody who can translate from German or French!

Oh the shame, the shame!

88 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:40am

re: #20 Russkilitlover

I would like to know what, if any, cooperation we are getting from Pakistan.

The gov't of Pakistan has given approval for these drone missile attacks. The Pakistan military has even provided some intelligence info on which targets to hit where & when. At the same time, it has also become apparent, that the some elements of the Pakistani military and/or intelligence service has tipped off certain Taliban/AQ targets in time for them to escape.

89 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:44am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"Why the hell do we keep bombing weddings?"

The band sucks. All the music sounds like gun fire.

90 ziggyelman  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:51am

Dustyvet, was this the photo you were talking about?

[Link: www.advicegoddess.com...]

91 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:44:53am

re: #70 redc1c4

i thought it was "air raiding villages..."

"Carpet bombing civilians".

92 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:45:34am

clenched fist time ...

93 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:45:41am

re: #80 Van Helsing

Diplomatic messages are subject to mis-interpretation.

There is no nuance in a Hellfire statement.

Yes, there is, actually, it's just a teensy tinsy little missile, when it could be a lot larger, it could be carpet bombing. The Hellfire is the very height of modern combat etiquette.

94 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #75 redc1c4

let's send Kerry there for Christmas...

Just as long as that "hat" goes with him...


/s

95 ducktrapper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:45:47am

I like it even if it was President O's idea. Not to be too John Wayne but if someone threatens you with death and you ascertain the threat is serious, you have two choices. Fight or flee. Fleeing is impossible, in this case, so it is wise to hit first, hit hard, hit again and kick it when it's down. Apply lesson as often as necessary.

96 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:04am

Not only did it kill innocent date farmers, at a wedding, it is creating more terrorists, was acting unlaterally without getting world opinion, was racist, was done because Americans are monolingual and believe in what they see in Hollywood movies, and increased global warming.

/

97 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:09am

re: #87 yma o hyd

Wildly OT - but the Beeb, trying to show the press conference of Sarkozy and Merkel is incapable of finding anybody who can translate from German or French!

Oh the shame, the shame!

They can just make stuff up, like they always do.

98 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:14am

re: #81 albusteve

I don't think BO wants to tangle with the General at all...he has no fear of BO or his career and knows exactly what he's doing...he is way over BOs head imo

And thank God for that!
I mean that also on behalf of our lads, who are ultimately under Gen. Petraeus' command.

99 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

"Carpet bombing civilians".

thanks: i'm remedial when it comes to "nuance".

(what would you expect from an 11B? %-)

100 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:20am

re: #93 itellu3times

Yes, there is, actually, it's just a teensy tinsy little missile, when it could be a lot larger, it could be carpet bombing. The Hellfire is the very height of modern combat etiquette.

Unique way to look at it, but you are right.

101 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:25am

re: #94 Dustyvet

Just as long as that "hat" goes with him...

/s

And the dog.

102 ziggyelman  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:25am

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

"Carpet bombing civilians".

Killing women and children...

103 ducktrapper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:39am

Especially, if it was President O's idea. He's still way wrong on Iran., though.

104 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:46:49am

re: #102 ziggyelman

Killing women and children...

Jenjiss Khan.

105 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #51 Power Armored Lizardoid

Yeah, probably true...But more and more, the politicians are proving themselves to be as inimical to this country as anyone in the Taliban...You can destroy a country with bombs or with socialism, the end result is much the same...

We have processes that have worked remarkably well for that here in the US. We cannot be destroyed by our politicians unless we allow it. The American public has voted in foolish people many times throughout our history, and showed them the door rather quickly when needed. Your "fantasy" and thought process on this one are rather disturbing

106 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:47:19am

re: #55 jorline

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.

* * *
I saw that movie, Red October, for the first time 3 days ago.

My goodness, Alec Baldwin was once thin and handsome. How low he has sunk since he played a good guy!

107 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:47:27am

re: #103 ducktrapper

Especially, if it was President O's idea. He's still way wrong on Iran., though.

FTFY!

108 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:48:05am

re: #33 Ben Hur

I believe the US Congress has authorized the US President to prosecute the war against Al Qaeda. And contrary to what the democrats were saying for the past 7 years, the POTUS has the responsibility to protect the US from all enemies domestic or foreign.

109 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:48:08am

Hot Air's April Fools gimmick: Every headline gets a picture of Palin regardless of topic. Pretty funny.

110 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:48:19am

I had a prophetic dream about this Predator attack!

/

111 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:48:35am

re: #102 ziggyelman

Killing women and children...

fuck them...what about the camels?...well?

112 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
I saw that movie, Red October, for the first time 3 days ago.

My goodness, Alec Baldwin was once thin and handsome. How low he has sunk since he played a good guy!

I thought he was good as a bad guy in "Glenngary Glenn Ross".

113 ziggyelman  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:01am

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

Jenjiss Khan.

As bad as Obama is, Thank God that pompous ass never won, can't stand to look at him, can't stand his elitist way of talking...he might lie more than any other politician in office, and that's really saying something...

114 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:02am

re: #100 Thanos

You must be in a mood this morning, to find my statement halfway agreeable!

115 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:05am

re: #111 albusteve

fuck them...what about the camels?...well?

you hump them.

116 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:10am

re: #110 Occasional Reader

I had a prophetic dream about this Predator attack!

/


What Am I Having for lunch?

117 yesandno  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:12am

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"Why the hell do we keep bombing weddings?"

Got there goats again?

118 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:19am

re: #68 Opinionated

In response, to show how tough they are, the Taliban will throw acid into some poor female's face.

* * * *
Hillary Clinton promised the Taliban not to interfere in their internal acid throwing on women's faces matters.

119 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:32am

re: #116 HoosierHoops

What Am I Having for lunch?

food.

/that was easy

120 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:34am

re: #93 itellu3times

Yes, there is, actually, it's just a teensy tinsy little missile, when it could be a lot larger, it could be carpet bombing. The Hellfire is the very height of modern combat etiquette.

I didn't say they weren't polite. If you are there when the message is delivered, the message is quite clear.

I understand what you're saying though. Were I Imperator I would have exercised that option on Fallujah after those contractors were killed. Mogadishu would have needed new maps, too.

I have restraint issues.

121 turn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:49:56am

Those Predators were one hell of a wise investment. I hope O realizes spending on more advanced weapons systems is crucial in fighting the war on terror ... oh wait WOT? bad turn bad if we don't say it we'll all wake up to worldwide rainbows and unicorns in the morning.

122 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:02am

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

They can just make stuff up, like they always do.

Hah!
They're 'breaking away' - still no translations.
Its not as if this was a sudden press conference, it was well advertised, and on the G20 programme.
and no - while they ahve no translators, they know there are a sufficient alrge number of foreigners around who'd notice immediately when the Beeb tells porkies about what Merkel and Sarkozy say.

And for that desaster we pay our licence fee ...

123 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:06am

re: #88 Kenneth

The gov't of Pakistan has given approval for these drone missile attacks. The Pakistan military has even provided some intelligence info on which targets to hit where & when. At the same time, it has also become apparent, that the some elements of the Pakistani military and/or intelligence service has tipped off certain Taliban/AQ targets in time for them to escape.

Wonder how soon Pakistan will be in out-and-out civil war.

124 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:14am

re: #116 HoosierHoops

What Am I Having for lunch?

Cherubim and seraphim.

125 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:22am

re: #110 Occasional Reader

I had a prophetic dream about this Predator attack!

/

I knew you were going to say that.

126 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:26am

re: #87 yma o hyd

Wildly OT - but the Beeb, trying to show the press conference of Sarkozy and Merkel is incapable of finding anybody who can translate from German or French!

Oh the shame, the shame!

Wow. That's a serious screwup.

I was in Reagan National Airport once, about to board a flight, and they put out a general call over the PA system for anyone who could assist in translation for a passenger at the ticket area.

The language required?

Spanish.

Now... if it had been, I don't know, Swahili or Laotian, I'd understand. But they really had nobody available on the airport staff who spoke SPANISH?!

127 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:26am

So, Obama is continuing the airstrikes. That's a Bush era policy. The new boss is the same as the old boss? Or did Obama realize that this was absolutely necessary to dealing the Taliban and al Qaeda a crippling blow?

Pakistani leaders have been wary of these airstrikes for months, but there's one reason that the airstrikes continue - and continue taking out mid and upper level Taliban and al Qaeda terrorists with regularity. The US and Pakistani leaders must have struck some kind of a deal that lets the Pakistanis criticize publicly the airstrikes knowing full well that the US is going after threats to Islamabad as well - as in Baitullah Mehsud and his Taliban forces, which the Pakistani government has been unable to deal with.

It's not a perfect strategy, but it gives the regime in Islamabad cover while the US continues its existing airstrikes policy against the Taliban and al Qaeda. It also requires improved intel to act swiftly on locations and targets, and the Pakistanis and US have developed an improved sourcing for targeting data, since those airstrikes are more often than not taking out the intended targets.

128 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:47am

re: #110 Occasional Reader

I had a prophetic dream about this Predator attack!

/

Were you the Indian, Jesse, or Ahhnold ?

129 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:50:59am
130 MJ  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:03am

Daniel Pipes has a good article today:

Arabs, Israelis, and Underdogs

"Who, a century back, would have imagined Jews making the better soldiers and Arabs the better publicists?" I asked back in 2005.

A foremost example of the Arabs' p.r. prowess lies in their ability to transform the map of the Arab-Israeli conflict. In the early decades, maps of the Arab-Israeli conflict showed Israel in a vast Middle East, a presence so small, one practically needed a magnifying glass to locate it. These days, however, the conflict is typically portrayed by a huge Israel looming over the fractured West Bank and Gaza areas...

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

131 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:10am

re: #67 ziggyelman

Don't you mean Frogmarched? ;)

don't they only frogmarch in France ?

132 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:15am

re: #119 redc1c4

food.

/that was easy


LOL
It was a trick question.. I'm spending lunch on a con call.

133 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:27am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

Draw them out into the open with some bait, then blast them.

But who are we going to convince to open a McDonald's in Pakistan?

134 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:29am

re: #106 alegrias

There was a time when I thought that Alec Baldwin was the perfect fit for the Jack Ryan character - moreso than Harrison Ford or Ben Afleck. It's a shame he didn't continue with that role.

135 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:49am

And I see I missed a particularly juicy deletion. Dang.

136 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:51:50am

re: #112 MrSilverDragon

I thought he was good as a bad guy in "Glenngary Glenn Ross".

Genuinely scary as one in Mercury Rising (1998). You seriously believe it'll take Bruce Willis to stop this guy.

cheers

eon

137 opnion  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:03am

Maybe I just have too much troube giving BHO credit, but I think this whole whacking the Taliban may be due to his Campaign rhetoric.
He was always saying that Bush ignored Afghanistan (the good war), to fight in Iraq (the bad war)
Now I think that he has to do something, I just don't totally buy into his sincerity.

138 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #133 CyanSnowHawk

But who are we going to convince to open a McDonald's in Pakistan?

I'm sure as heck not opening a KFC. They've bombed the one they have 15 times.

139 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #128 SasquatchOnSteroids

Were you the Indian, Jesse, or Ahhnold ?

"You are one ugly motherf***r!"

140 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:23am

re: #123 Russkilitlover

Wonder how soon Pakistan will be in out-and-out civil war.

A very frightening prospect. You could say in the NWFT a civil war is already in progress.

141 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:31am

re: #132 HoosierHoops

LOL
It was a trick question.. I'm spending lunch on a con call.

those are always so much fun...

/

142 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:52am

John Kerry is now a Saint...CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS ?

On a Saturday afternoon, in Washington, D. C., Senator John Kerry's
campaign manager visited the Cardinal of the Catholic cathedral.

He told the Cardinal that John Kerry would be attending the next day's
sermon, and he asked if the Cardinal would kindly point out Kerry to the
congregation and say a few words that would include calling Kerry a
saint.

The Cardinal replied, "No. I don't really like the man, and there are
issues of conflict with the Catholic Church over certain of Kerry's
views." Kerry's manager then said, "Look. I'll write a check here and
now for a donation of $100,000 to your church if you'll just tell the
congregation you see Kerry as a saint."


The Cardinal thought about it and said, "Well, the church can use the
money, so I'll work your request into tomorrow's sermon." As Kerry's
campaign manager promised, Senator Kerry appeared for the Sunday sermon
and seated himself prominently at the edge of the main isle.

And, during the sermon, as promised, the Cardinal pointed out that
Senator Kerry was present.

Then the Cardinal went on to explain to the congregation -- "While
Senator Kerry's presence is probably an honor to some, he is not my
favorite person. Some of his views are contrary to those of the church,
and he tends to flip-flop on many other views. John Kerry is a petty,
self-absorbed hypocrite, a thumb sucker, and a nit-wit. John Kerry is
also a serial liar, a cheat, and a thief.

John Kerry is the worst example of a Catholic I have ever personally
witnessed. He turned on his buddies in Vietnam. He wrote a book and
portrayed himself in the best light when he was a traitor to his fellow
servicemen. He has lied about his military record and had the gall to
put himself in for a medal (including one that does not even exist).

He married for money and is using it to lie to the American people. He
also has a reputation for shirking his senatorial obligations both here,
in Washington, and in Massachusetts. He simply is not to be trusted."

The Cardinal completed his view of Kerry with,

"But, when compared to Senator Ted Kennedy, Senator Kerry is a saint."

143 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:52:55am

re: #127 lawhawk

That policy was established in Musharraf's time, and continues to this day. In the run up to their last elections it got a lot more heat, but it's a low burn issue now that the Sharif's are reinstated. Watch for them to go after Zardari with corruption charges next.

144 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:05am
According to the New York Times, the attack was “apparently aimed at one of the area’s most important Taliban leaders, Hakimullah Mehsud” — but missed.

No hint that the NYT disapproves. Good to know now that they've got a Democrat in office...
/

145 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:09am

re: #116 HoosierHoops

What Am I Having for lunch?

Food.

(ooohEEEHoooh...)

146 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:37am

re: #19 simonml

Actually this Administration is going to stick with "proven technology." We're starting an AM radio station in Islamabad that will play propaganda 24/7.

They're in serious trouble when that station picks up Rush.

147 turn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:39am

re: #127 lawhawk

A thought of how much money we have to pay them per strike comes to mind. I bet it is enormous.

148 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:58am

re: #73 Ben Hur

Pakistan = Cambodia.

A sideshow.

149 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:53:59am

re: #138 Silhouette

I'm sure as heck not opening a KFC. They've bombed the one they have 15 times.

They think it is a military target, Colonel Sanders and all.

150 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:54:09am

re: #134 lawhawk

There was a time when I thought that Alec Baldwin was the perfect fit for the Jack Ryan character - moreso than Harrison Ford or Ben Afleck. It's a shame he didn't continue with that role.

I did too. IIRC, didn't he turn down the role in Patriot Games because he wanted to do Streetcar Named Desire on Broadway? If I remember that right, I'd have to also give him some credit for giving up the money to put his butt on the line on the live stage.

151 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:54:13am

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
I saw that movie, Red October, for the first time 3 days ago.

My goodness, Alec Baldwin was once thin and handsome. How low he has sunk since he played a good guy!

The scariest real life roll was when he played the nurturing father for his daughter.

152 turn  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:54:34am

re: #128 SasquatchOnSteroids

So did I, it struck a red Avanti
/

153 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #145 Occasional Reader

Food.

(ooohEEEHoooh...)

do the olives in my martinis count?

154 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:01am

re: #142 Dustyvet

ROTFLMAO!
Most excellent.

155 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:35am

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

"Carpet bombing civilians".

This gave me the vision of the new Iranian weapon, the flying carpet bomber.

156 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:39am

One other note about this: A lot of people are discounting Baitullah's threat, and I think that's foolish. This guy has generally come through on all of his terror campaign promises in the past, like the assassination of BB, and the interdiction of supplies through the Khyber.

/just saying better to be wary than bleary

157 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:45am

re: #146 CyanSnowHawk

They're in serious trouble when that station picks up Rush.

Can you imagine the devastation caused by a Jihadi who has been exposed to "Tom Sawyer" or "Trees"?

Ooooh, wrong Rush, my bad

158 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:49am

re: #134 lawhawk

There was a time when I thought that Alec Baldwin was the perfect fit for the Jack Ryan character - moreso than Harrison Ford or Ben Afleck. It's a shame he didn't continue with that role.

As I understand it, Tom Hanks was also considered for the role after Baldwin had to bow out on the second film. Ford got it because Paramount thought he'd be a bigger box-office draw. Curiously, Hanks is almost a dead ringer for the description of Ryan in Clancy's novels, even more so than Baldwin.

cheers

eon

159 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:55:54am

re: #149 VegasRick

They think it is a military target, Colonel Sanders and all.

What are you Colonel? Chicken?

160 Clubsec  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:56:06am

Simlar to the saying: 'A mine is a terrible thing that waits.'
So in the case of a Predator UAV, ... it is an invisible platform that watches, waits, and puts weapons on the reflection.

Coming in the future: Small Diameter Bomb with 'Dial-a-Boom'

Talee-Boom

161 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:56:18am

I'm curious as to whether this is just continued policy from the previous administration or that the President is personally directing this strike in response to the threat.

Does anyone have a source that would clarify this? I would like Obama to make an Oval Office speech that specified this so we know for certain instead of generalized policy speeches.

I think that the only true way to dismantle these groups is to go in with ground troops. There is no historical precedent for conducting a war entirely from conducting airstrikes. It didn't work in Iraq or Afghanistan before we went in - it won't work in Pakistan. One day we will have to face a regime in Pakistan that is not as 'friendly' as the current one and confront a nuclear-armed, terrorist funded/controlled country. We also have to consider the growing tensions between India and Pakistan, as well as the impatience that Israel is expressing regarding Iran's attempts to gain nuclear weapons.

I really expect that our hand will be forced at some point. A 'reset' button will not do when we have enemies in control of a much more dangerous button.

162 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:56:32am

re: #130 MJ

"Who, a century back, would have imagined Jews making the better soldiers and Arabs the better publicists?"

On closer inspection the Arab culture has specialized in insults and whining for its entire history. Why? Because they are cheap, and in a desert, scarcity culture, cheap is good. Also flowery phrases and incredibly detailed social protocols - that maybe cannot help going catastrophically wrong at some point. They brought all of this to Islam, and now Islam imposes it right back on them.

163 ziggyelman  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:57:18am

re: #142 Dustyvet

LOL! If only this would happen to Kerry, Kennedy, and Pelosi..

164 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:57:20am

re: #119 redc1c4

food.

/that was easy

Those little cans Otto was eating out of in Repo Man were labeled "Food", just like all the generics in the movie "Drink" "Beer", etc.

165 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:57:22am

re: #159 JohnnyReb

What are you Colonel? Chicken?

It's the moichandise, stupid!

166 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:57:46am

I see a bunch of posts from a new lizard called {Deleted}...what an odd name.
/

167 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:57:51am

re: #142 Dustyvet

Karma-licious!

168 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:58:15am

re: #134 lawhawk

There was a time when I thought that Alec Baldwin was the perfect fit for the Jack Ryan character - moreso than Harrison Ford or Ben Afleck. It's a shame he didn't continue with that role.

* * * *
I've only read Clancy's novels, so seeing a babyfaced Alec Baldwin instead of a more grown, weathered man in the role of Jack Ryan was disappointing.

Before that I only knew Alec Baldwin as the host of Saturday Night Live and in skits where he played a creepy Scout Master with "russian hands, roaming fingers". Ewww!

169 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:58:16am

re: #143 Thanos

That policy was established in Musharraf's time, and continues to this day. In the run up to their last elections it got a lot more heat, but it's a low burn issue now that the Sharif's are reinstated. Watch for them to go after Zardari with corruption charges next.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss (now with 10% more corruption).

170 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:58:33am

re: #155 Kosh's Shadow

This gave me the vision of the new Iranian weapon, the flying carpet bomber.

Does it buzz five times a day, too?

171 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:58:58am

re: #166 LGoPs

I see a bunch of posts from a new lizard called {Deleted}...what an odd name.
/

I quoted a bad post...I always do that

172 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #16 _RememberTonyC

did he do this while in europe so he could look like a tough guy? because that MUST be the "hoped for" outcome? give credit if it is due.

You make too much sense.

173 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:59:04am

As usual, Roggio has more details...

US launches first strike in Arakzai tribal agency

The US air campaign continues to expand beyond the traditional hunting grounds of the Taliban-controlled tribal agencies of North and South Waziristan and Bajaur. The US conducted its first Predator strike in the Arakzai tribal agency today.

The attack took place in the town of Khadzai, a region ran by Hakeemullah Mehsud, a senior lieutenant to Pakistani Taliban chieftain Baitullah Mehsud. A Predator launched at least one missile at one of Hakeemullah's compounds.

Twelve Taliban fighters have been reported killed and twelve more were wounded, Geo News reported. It is not known if any senior Taliban or al Qaeda leaders have been killed. Hakeemullah is not believed to have been killed in the attack.

Today's attack in Arakzai indicates the US is actively expanding its Predator campaign against al Qaeda and Taliban targets beyond the traditional hunting grounds of North and South Waziristan and Bajaur.

That fact is another message for the Taliban.

174 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:59:15am

re: #158 eon

Curiously, Hanks is almost a dead ringer for the description of Ryan in Clancy's novels, even more so than Baldwin

I don't remember the physical description of Ryan very well. But I can see Hanks doing the role.

I'm still expecting them to remake It's A Wonderful Life, with Hanks in the lead role. He'd be a natural for it. (In the same vein, if Saving Private Ryan had been made in 1956, it would have starred Jimmy Stewart as Captain Miller.)

175 opnion  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:59:35am

re: #156 Thanos

One other note about this: A lot of people are discounting Baitullah's threat, and I think that's foolish. This guy has generally come through on all of his terror campaign promises in the past, like the assassination of BB, and the interdiction of supplies through the Khyber.

/just saying better to be wary than bleary

Your correct, it would have been laughable on 9/10 to predict that Muslim terrorists could take over commercial airlines & fly them into the Trade Center & the Pentagon. People who are willig to lose their own lives in the process can do some pretty nasty things.

176 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 8:59:43am

re: #164 Kosh's Shadow

Those little cans Otto was eating out of in Repo Man were labeled "Food", just like all the generics in the movie "Drink" "Beer", etc.

"I blame... society."

(coughs, spits up blood)

177 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:04am

re: #118 alegrias

* * * *
Hillary Clinton promised the Taliban not to interfere in their internal acid throwing on women's faces matters.

Because it takes a village - of cultural savages- to throw acid into women and girls faces.

178 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:17am

re: #168 alegrias

Actually, Baldwin actually fits the age profile for the Hunt than Ford did in the other movies. He was a young guy. Clark is the old and weathered old spook, and Chavez is the young gun. James Earl Jones was pitch perfect as the admiral (that torpedo hit its target... and I... was never here).

179 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #108 Kenneth

I believe the US Congress has authorized the US President to prosecute the war against Al Qaeda. And contrary to what the democrats were saying for the past 7 years, the POTUS has the responsibility to protect the US from all enemies domestic or foreign.

The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11. They are not Al Qaeda.

180 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:36am

re: #161 Dreader1962


I think that the only true way to dismantle these groups is to go in with ground troops. There is no historical precedent for conducting a war entirely from conducting airstrikes.

Actually, there is. The strategic bombing campaign against the Japanese home islands in 1944-45.

It is possible to "reduce" a hostile country from the air. The only drawback is, you have to be ready to accept a hell of a lot of collateral damage.

It was politically possible for us to do so in 1945. I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't be the same today.

cheers

eon

181 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:37am
182 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:00:59am

re: #173 Kenneth

That's also suggestive of the tacit working arrangement between the US and Pakistani government.

183 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:01:28am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I don't remember the physical description of Ryan very well. But I can see Hanks doing the role.

I'm still expecting them to remake It's A Wonderful Life, with Hanks in the lead role. He'd be a natural for it. (In the same vein, if Saving Private Ryan had been made in 1956, it would have starred Jimmy Stewart as Captain Miller.)

In the new version, he'll be married to Russell Brand, instead of Donna Reed.

/gah!

184 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #171 albusteve

I quoted a bad post...I always do that

I hear ya. Oops...I just quoted you...now we're both gonna get deleted...
:)

185 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:01:53am

re: #179 Ben Hur

The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11. They are not Al Qaeda.

They are allies and facilitators and co-conspirators. What's in a name.

186 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:03am

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

"I blame... society."

(coughs, spits up blood)

"You're a white, middle-class punk like me"

187 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:14am

“Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”

Instead they got hit with a strike that amazed everyone in hell.

188 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:15am

But don't worry, BamBam brought someone to play basketball with to London...

189 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:23am

re: #148 Ward Cleaver
Um, sorry Ward, but Cambodia was hardly a side-show in the Vietnam War.
It was the only place (other than Laos) where the communist forces could retreat and engage in some R and R while getting new troops, weapons and ammo.
One hell of a lot more fighting was done in Cambodia by US military personnel than will ever be truly known or appreciated.

190 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:31am

re: #179 Ben Hur

The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11. They are not Al Qaeda.

Baitullah is a definite and declared ally of AQ, if Zawahiri calls it doesn't go to the answering machine.

191 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:33am

Good... Kill 'em where they live...

192 P-DEX  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:43am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

That's only a mandate when Bush or any Republican tries to protect America's interest, not when the Bamster or any Donk tries it. Because we all know that Republicans are nothing but evil warmongers while Donk's have much better intentions.

193 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:02:57am

re: #159 JohnnyReb

What are you Colonel? Chicken?

Prepare ship--prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall! Cancel the three ring circus! Secure all animals in the zoo--

194 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:03:15am

re: #184 LGoPs

I hear ya. Oops...I just quoted you...now we're both gonna get deleted...
:)

I'm just one domino standing in a row

195 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:03:21am

re: #158 eon

As I understand it, Tom Hanks was also considered for the role after Baldwin had to bow out on the second film. Ford got it because Paramount thought he'd be a bigger box-office draw. Curiously, Hanks is almost a dead ringer for the description of Ryan in Clancy's novels, even more so than Baldwin.

cheers

eon

* * * *
Blech, Tom Hanks is now a fat bloated old guy I cannot watch. Too much information about his politics.

196 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:03:38am

re: #185 Opinionated

They are allies and facilitators and co-conspirators. What's in a name.


F*cken A they are. But I wish we in the rest of the world could see a little consistency.

197 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #190 Thanos

Baitullah is a definite and declared ally of AQ, if Zawahiri calls it doesn't go to the answering machine.

I think Ben has engaged his Deeply Ironic Cloaking Device. (Just guessing.)

198 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #187 The Sanity Inspector

“Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”

Hell, I thought that attack was made on Nov 4th last year...
I'm certainly amazed...and appalled.
/

199 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:04:32am

MESSAGE FROM THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON TO THE BRITISH FOREIGN
OFFICE IN LONDON--
written from Central Spain, August 1812

Gentlemen,
Whilst marching from Portugal to a position which commands the
approach to Madrid and the French forces, my officers have been
diligently complying with your requests which have been sent by H.M.
ship from London to Lisbon and thence by dispatch to our headquarters.
We have enumerated our saddles, bridles, tents and tent poles, and all
manner of sundry items for which His Majesty's Government holds me
accountable. I have dispatched reports on the character, wit, and
spleen of every officer. Each item and every farthing has been
accounted for, with two regrettable exceptions for which I beg your
indulgence.
Unfortunately the sum of one shilling and ninepence remains
unaccounted for in one infantry battalion's petty cash and there has
been a hideous confusion as the number of jars of raspberry jam issued
to one cavalry regiment during a sandstorm in western Spain. This
reprehensible carelessness may be related to the pressure of
circumstance, since we are war with France, a fact which may come as a
bit of a surprise to you gentlemen in Whitehall.
This brings me to my present purpose, which is to request elucidation
of my instructions from His Majesty's Government so that I may better
understand why I am dragging an army over these barren plains. I
construe that perforce it must be one of two alternative duties, as
given below. I shall pursue either one with the best of my ability,
but I cannot do both:
1. To train an army of uniformed British clerks in Spain for the
benefit of the accountants and copy-boys in London or perchance.
2. To see to it that the forces of Napoleon are driven out of Spain.
Your most obedient servant,
Wellington

200 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:04:35am

re: #189 realwest

Um, sorry Ward, but Cambodia was hardly a side-show in the Vietnam War.
It was the only place (other than Laos) where the communist forces could retreat and engage in some R and R while getting new troops, weapons and ammo.
One hell of a lot more fighting was done in Cambodia by US military personnel than will ever be truly known or appreciated.

I know. I was thinking of the title of William Shawcross's book about Cambodia.

201 Thanos  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

I think Ben has engaged his Deeply Ironic Cloaking Device. (Just guessing.)

Yeah, you are probably right, but not everyone who reads understands Ben's Zen

202 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:05:28am

I wish those advocating negotiations with Taliban would come forward and explain what exactly "moderate Taliban" means !?
Another good sign of Afghanistan policy is that the US is talking now openly about Pakistani links to Taliban ! Pakistan is the real threat!

203 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:05:43am

re: #195 alegrias

* * * *
Blech, Tom Hanks is now a fat bloated old guy I cannot watch. Too much information about his politics.

With a bad receding hairline. Maybe Biden can clue him in on some plugs.

204 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:05:50am

re: #185 Opinionated

They are allies and facilitators and co-conspirators. What's in a name.

OCO -Overseas Contingency Operation
*Puke

205 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:05:52am

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
I saw that movie, Red October, for the first time 3 days ago.

My goodness, Alec Baldwin was once thin and handsome. How low he has sunk since he played a good guy!

Oooof, I was still a sexually frustrated gay teenage virgin when BeetleJuice came out -- the late-'80s Alec Baldwin had the same psychic impact on me that, say, Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High had on countless straight guys.

206 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:06:00am

re: #134 lawhawk

He's really funny on 30 Rock. Great show.

207 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #189 realwest

Um, sorry Ward, but Cambodia was hardly a side-show in the Vietnam War.
It was the only place (other than Laos) where the communist forces could retreat and engage in some R and R while getting new troops, weapons and ammo.
One hell of a lot more fighting was done in Cambodia by US military personnel than will ever be truly known or appreciated.

those SOG and LRRP guys did a hell of a job in Cambodia...and you are exactly right about the appreciation factor, altho their stories have come out a little and a little there...some of that stuff was finally declassified a few years ago

208 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:06:19am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

I think Ben has engaged his Deeply Ironic Cloaking Device. (Just guessing.)


Fully.

And it will get even more annoying throughout term the Obama regime.

209 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:06:42am

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

In the new version, he'll be married to Russell Brand, instead of Donna Reed.

/gah!

"What do we have to have all these clones for, anyway?"

210 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:06:57am

re: #201 Thanos

I truly am a freak of nature occasionally.

211 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:01am

re: #205 Throbert McGee

Oooof, I was still a sexually frustrated gay teenage virgin when BeetleJuice came out -- the late-'80s Alec Baldwin had the same psychic impact on me that, say, Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High had on countless straight guys.

/lovely.

212 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:16am

re: #126 Occasional Reader

Wow. That's a serious screwup.

I was in Reagan National Airport once, about to board a flight, and they put out a general call over the PA system for anyone who could assist in translation for a passenger at the ticket area.

The language required?

Spanish.

Now... if it had been, I don't know, Swahili or Laotian, I'd understand. But they really had nobody available on the airport staff who spoke SPANISH?!

press one for English, press two for Spanish.

Since it was Reagan Intl, I would have assumed they had a bevy of translators around. Maybe they were all out sick.

213 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:19am

Well . . a few Hellfire missiles are one way to unclench a fist. I approve.

214 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:19am

re: #177 Opinionated

Because it takes a village - of cultural savages- to throw acid into women and girls faces.

* * * *
At least she's been consistently Clintonian! When the Taliban (Tolly-bahn) blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas in 1996, neither Clinton did squat, except maybe mewl about the UN heritage lost.

Women & children brutalized by these brutes, was just a charming local custom to be carried on without interference from Clinton.

215 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #31 sattv4u2

Posted in the last thread

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

U.S. reconciliation offer "lunatic": Taliban spokesman

I would not mind it if the deal is -
All existing (majority) Muslim countries stay Muslim.
All existing (majority) non-Muslim countries stay non Muslim.

And people can hope to move to a country of the religion of their choice
If people could convert from Islam
Won't happen for decades if ever. Abandoning millions of women.

Just - DO NOT - insist that we have to convert or become slaves or die if we refuse to convert.

This will not happed either - some will not stop until all the World is Muslim

216 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:32am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I don't remember the physical description of Ryan very well. But I can see Hanks doing the role.

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

217 Dianna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:43am

re: #205 Throbert McGee

Oooof, I was still a sexually frustrated gay teenage virgin when BeetleJuice came out -- the late-'80s Alec Baldwin had the same psychic impact on me that, say, Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High had on countless straight guys.

I empathize. He made my heart go pitty-pat.

218 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:07:53am

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

"I blame... society."

(coughs, spits up blood)

Plate of shrimp.

219 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:08:16am

re: #205 Throbert McGee

Oooof, I was still a sexually frustrated gay teenage virgin when BeetleJuice came out -- the late-'80s Alec Baldwin had the same psychic impact on me that, say, Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High had on countless straight guys.

You know, I was getting little enough work done as it is, and now have to bring that up.

220 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:08:31am

re: #193 Honorary Yooper

Prepare ship--prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall! Cancel the three ring circus! Secure all animals in the zoo--

We've gone plaid!

221 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:08:42am

re: #204 VegasRick

OCO -Overseas Contingency Operation
*Puke

I wonder if Obama's press secretary is going to announce to reporters that an overseas contingency has occurred, so we mounted an operation.

222 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:08:48am

re: #10 Ben Hur

When did Congress, the UN or Nato give the mandate to attack within Pakistan?

Jonesing for Haditha II--USAF Reaper pilot version?

223 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:08:52am

re: #180 eon

The war was not won solely from a strategic bombing campaign - without the island-hopping campaign and the steady loss of resources from the naval warfare (submarines and carrier-based aircraft), Japan would have weathered the damage from the bombing.

224 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:16am

So the Teleprompter ordered a drone attack? Hello, Skynet!
/

225 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:18am

re: #179 Ben Hur

The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11. They are not Al Qaeda.

* * * *
True but the illegitimate Taliban sheltered & allowed Al Qaeda to use their country to attack us.

226 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:35am

re: #179 Ben Hur

The Taliban was providing aid & sanctuary to Al Qaeda. The US Congress authorized war against the Taliban, as did the UN and NATO.

What the heck is your point here?

227 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:39am

re: #219 Occasional Reader

You know, I was getting little enough work done as it is, and now you have to bring that up.

PIMF

228 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:43am

re: #199 Dustyvet

Attaboy!

Nobody does the most polite but deadly irony better than a Brit - especially a Brit who is hopping mad!

229 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:48am

re: #196 Ben Hur

F*cken A they are. But I wish we in the rest of the world could see a little consistency.



A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Of course, Emerson never did explain the difference between "foolish" consistency and the sensible kind.

/And I'm pretty sure it would never occur to most "statesmen" today to bother to ask.

cheers

eon

230 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:09:59am

re: #216 Russkilitlover

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

Hanks has funny lips...they would not work for Jack Ryan...he had regular lips

231 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:06am

I still think that the most surefire way to bring the Taliban to their knees is to threaten to unleash Helen Thomas on them. we're probably holding back because that would clearly be crossing a threshold in the annals of warfare.

"At my signal...unleash Hellen"
/

232 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:08am

re: #226 Kenneth

The Taliban was providing aid & sanctuary to Al Qaeda. The US Congress authorized war against the Taliban, as did the UN and NATO.

What the heck is your point here?

Ben, see the trouble that cloaking device gets you into?

233 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:15am

re: #220 JohnnyReb

We've gone plaid!

She's gone from suck to blow!

234 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:18am

re: #219 Occasional Reader

You know, I was getting little enough work done as it is, and now have to bring that up.

My favorite line: Judge Reinhold saying to the convenience store robber, "There goes your ride!", after he nails him with the hot coffee.

235 Alouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:26am

re: #126 Occasional Reader

Wow. That's a serious screwup.

I was in Reagan National Airport once, about to board a flight, and they put out a general call over the PA system for anyone who could assist in translation for a passenger at the ticket area.

The language required?

Spanish.

Now... if it had been, I don't know, Swahili or Laotian, I'd understand. But they really had nobody available on the airport staff who spoke SPANISH?!

I was at Hartsfield airport last year, they put out a request for someone to translate for a French Canadian. Not just French mind you, Canadian French.

236 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:36am

re: #113 ziggyelman

As bad as Obama is, Thank God that pompous ass never won, can't stand to look at him, can't stand his elitist way of talking...he might lie more than any other politician in office, and that's really saying something...

The Weathermen still won. Who brought the baton across the finish line does not matter. The Weathermen have taken their throne. Khrushchev was right about our working-class, and the resultant impermanence of our Republic, and the imminence of American Communism. Sad to say, but there it is. If it were not Obama or Kerry, it would have been another 60's Radical or sympathizer, such as Hilary Rodham Clinton. Commies plan big, plan long.

Re: Topic.
Obama is to incompetent and bumbling to be given credit for this. Our military leaders have not yet been replaced with an army of Wesley Clarks and Madeleine Albrights, therefore they still operate with some intelligence and efficiency.

237 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:38am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hot Air's April Fools gimmick: Every headline gets a picture of Palin regardless of topic. Pretty funny.

My favorite morning radio show, Dave, Shelly, and Chainsaw, on 101 KGB FM, claimed that Obama was here in San Diego and appearing at Horton Plaza, a Downtown shopping center, for a meet and greet of supporters and campaign workers. Caused a bit of a traffic headache.

Not anywhere near the effect of the one they did many years ago, claiming that the Space Shuttle was going to land at a local municipal airport. That one made it onto CNN.

238 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #212 Eowyn2

press one for English, press two for Spanish.

Since it was Reagan Intl, I would have assumed they had a bevy of translators around. Maybe they were all out sick.

That's Reagan National, so it's not likely they'll have an army of translators, but yeah, Spanish should be a no-brainer.

239 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:10:56am

re: #213 Creeping Eruption

Well . . a few Hellfire missiles are one way to unclench a fist. I approve.

If you cut off the arm, the fist should unclench.

240 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:18am

re: #216 Russkilitlover

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

Tom Hanks couldn't be convincingly ruthless enough to steal your parking space. Nice guy, fine actor, but a total pussy cat.

241 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:22am

re: #214 alegrias

* * * *
At least she's been consistently Clintonian! When the Taliban (Tolly-bahn) blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas in 1996, neither Clinton did squat, except maybe mewl about the UN heritage lost.

Women & children brutalized by these brutes, was just a charming local custom to be carried on without interference from Clinton.

If you don't eradicate the disease, it simply festers. Besides, 1996 was an election year.

242 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:36am

re: #221 Last Mohican

I wonder if Obama's press secretary is going to announce to reporters that an overseas contingency has occurred, so we mounted an operation.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

*Dry heaves now.

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:48am

re: #234 Ward Cleaver

My favorite line: Judge Reinhold saying to the convenience store robber, "There goes your ride!", after he nails him with the hot coffee.

"Mister, I'm gonna kick 100% of your ass!"

244 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #216 Russkilitlover

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

The only Ryan book I read was ...Red October, and that was back when velociraptors still roamed the earth... so I guess I just don't recall the original character that well.

245 calvin coolidge  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:11:59am

---Mehsud told the Associated Press: “Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”---

oh, i'm really scared. is he gonna do something as scary as throw away our constitution, tax anyone with a wallet at 90%, print trillions of dollars we can't back up, seize control of automobile warranties, put our grandchildren so far in the hole they'll never recover, and then tell everyone what their "fair" salary is gonna be?

246 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:12:04am

re: #216 Russkilitlover

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

Who will play Mitch Rapp if Vince Flynn's books ever get made into movies?

247 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:12:55am

re: #235 Alouette

Not just French mind you, Canadian French.

Merci beaucoup, hoseur?

248 Alouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:13:05am

re: #246 tfc3rid

Who will play Mitch Rapp if Vince Flynn's books ever get made into movies?

Kiefer Sutherland. :)

249 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:13:07am

re: #199 Dustyvet

* * * *
What wicked wit this Wellington had.
Francisco de Goya did him justice in a great portrait of Wellington.

250 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:13:09am

re: #240 Kenneth

Tom Hanks couldn't be convincingly ruthless enough to steal your parking space. Nice guy, fine actor, but a total pussy cat.

Even as playing a "bad guy" in Road to Perdition, he was a pussy cat. Agreed.

251 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:13:18am

re: #243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Mister, I'm gonna kick 100% of your ass!"

"Doesn't anybody ever fucking knock anymore!?!"

252 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:13:44am

re: #216 Russkilitlover

I can't see Hanks in the role of Ryan. Ryan has a ruthlessness about him that I don't think Hanks can pull off.

Which was why I went WTF? when they cast Ben Affleck in The Sum of All Fears.

/Then I actually saw it, and wondered why Clancy didn't sue them for stealing the title of his novel for a totally different and much lousier story.

cheers

eon

253 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:09am

I have no problem with Obama here. Too bad he doesn't take all the threats to America this seriously.

254 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:15am

re: #249 alegrias

* * * *
What wicked wit this Wellington had.
Francisco de Goya did him justice in a great portrait of Wellington.

Makes a damn fine meal, too. Beef Wellington is yummy!

255 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:21am

re: #248 Alouette

Kiefer Sutherland. :)

Did you hear Flynn on with Hugh Hewitt recently? Excellent interview.

256 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:23am

Yesterday: Hillary said, Iran and US hold 'cordial' talks
Today: Iran denies US claims of meeting
The Iranians lying again, I think

257 P-DEX  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:38am

re: #206 Mad Al-Jaffee

He's really funny on 30 Rock. Great show.

Agreed. Love the show. Alec plays his character so straight it's hilarious. As far as his politics go, I would argue he's nothing like a Sean Penn. I remember seeing him on Bill Maher's show a few months back (hey, wife's a Lib...what can I say) and while he talked the whole "Republicans got us into this housing mess" he also laid some heavy blame on Frank, Dodd and the Donks as well. And he actually meant it. My tolerance/respect quotient bumped up a notch that night. At least he had the balls to lay some blame on the other side of the aisle.

258 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:41am

re: #244 Occasional Reader

The only Ryan book I read was ...Red October, and that was back when velociraptors still roamed the earth... so I guess I just don't recall the original character that well.

you might enjoy Cardinal of the Kremlin...less action but a very cool spy story with great dialog...I think it's Clancy's best

259 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:45am

re: #242 VegasRick

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

*Dry heaves now.

Actually, I'm kind of encouraged by the article that you linked to. Because in it, the Homeland Security Secretary admits that there's such a thing as Islamist terrorism (although she won't actually utter the "I word" herself). In today's political climate, having the person responsible for protecting us from Islamist terrorism admit that there actually is such a thing is kind of an unexpected surprise.

260 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:48am

re: #236 Taqiyyotomist

Yep - thats how I see it.
As long as Gen. Petraeus has the command, the necessary will be done, regardless of moonbats.

If PB0 starts interfering - serious fur will fly. He better not try, methinks ...

261 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:51am

I must be remembering the physical description of Ryan differently, because he was such a clear image in my head, and then one day, I saw a picture of a guy who looked just like Jack Ryan. And that guy was Tom Clancy.

Ditto the description of the Ryan house in Patriot Games and Clancy's house.

262 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:58am

That "so-called journalist" HT will be fuming that we attacked these "so-called terrorists".

Overseas Contingency Op #1.

263 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:14:58am

re: #238 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's Reagan National, so it's not likely they'll have an army of translators, but yeah, Spanish should be a no-brainer.

The American Airlines counter alone routinely has Spanish-speaking staff (while it's not a fully international airport, it's certainly handling a lot of international travelers). Were they all on break?

264 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:15:11am

You're absolutely right, Charles.
I applaud the Obama adminstration for doing the right thing.

I admit that I have some doubt however, that he's going to be able to clean out the Taliban who are firmly entrenched in Afghanistan without sending in ground troops.

I hope that I'm wrong.

265 redheadredstate  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #237 CyanSnowHawk

My favorite morning radio show, Dave, Shelly, and Chainsaw, on 101 KGB FM, claimed that Obama was here in San Diego and appearing at Horton Plaza, a Downtown shopping center, for a meet and greet of supporters and campaign workers. Caused a bit of a traffic headache.

Not anywhere near the effect of the one they did many years ago, claiming that the Space Shuttle was going to land at a local municipal airport. That one made it onto CNN.

Bet all these geniuses voted for the Big O in November. What a bunch of maroons!

266 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:10am

re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee

Plate of shrimp.

Miller referred to a plate o' shrimp, and the restaurant where the other repo men (the hispanic brothers) stopped had a sign in the window advertising plate 'o shrimp.

267 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:21am

re: #237 CyanSnowHawk

Sweet Jesus, even with the non-stop "the president just landed in London" coverage...

Americans are morons.

268 avanti  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:23am

re: #116 HoosierHoops

What Am I Having for lunch?

Crap, reminded me of a joke.

Guy is traveling out west on the way to college and sees a Indian tepee with a sign saying :
"Chief Never Forgets, ask me anything, $1.00 "

The guy pulls over, hands the chief a buck and asks "What did you have for breakfast 20 years ago today ?
The Chief repies eggs, and the guy gets in the car and drives away skeptical.

30 years later the guys is on vacation out with with the wife and kids and sees the "Chief Never Forgets, ask me anything, $1.00 " sign and tells the wife the story.
He gets out of the car knowing the Chief will not remember him, and says "How"

The chief says "over easy"

269 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:25am

re: #240 Kenneth

Tom Hanks couldn't be convincingly ruthless enough to steal your parking space. Nice guy, fine actor, but a total pussy cat.

But, taking in mind my earlier confession about only having read the one book, I thought Ryan is very deliberately NOT supposed to be some hardened "operator", but rather an analyst (and family man, etc.) who keeps getting reluctantly roped into operations?

270 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:39am

re: #211 VegasRick

/lovely.

He sure was!

(Although Adam Baldwin -- aka, "the Baldwin who's not actually a Baldwin" -- is maybe even lovelier.)

/ I ♥ Animal Mother

271 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:49am

re: #246 tfc3rid

Who will play Mitch Rapp if Vince Flynn's books ever get made into movies?

There really aren't a lot of believable tough guy American actors in Hollywood.

272 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #239 ConservatismNow!

If you cut off the arm, the fist should unclench.

Unless rigor mortis sets in. Best cut off the head and the fist no longer matters.

273 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:16:57am

re: #199 Dustyvet

MESSAGE FROM THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON TO THE BRITISH FOREIGN
OFFICE IN LONDON--
written from Central Spain, August 1812

Gentlemen,
Whilst marching from Portugal to a position which commands the
approach to Madrid and the French forces, my officers have been
diligently complying with your requests which have been sent by H.M.
ship from London to Lisbon and thence by dispatch to our headquarters.
We have enumerated our saddles, bridles, tents and tent poles, and all
manner of sundry items for which His Majesty's Government holds me
accountable. I have dispatched reports on the character, wit, and
spleen of every officer. Each item and every farthing has been
accounted for, with two regrettable exceptions for which I beg your
indulgence.
Unfortunately the sum of one shilling and ninepence remains
unaccounted for in one infantry battalion's petty cash and there has
been a hideous confusion as the number of jars of raspberry jam issued
to one cavalry regiment during a sandstorm in western Spain. This
reprehensible carelessness may be related to the pressure of
circumstance, since we are war with France, a fact which may come as a
bit of a surprise to you gentlemen in Whitehall.
This brings me to my present purpose, which is to request elucidation
of my instructions from His Majesty's Government so that I may better
understand why I am dragging an army over these barren plains. I
construe that perforce it must be one of two alternative duties, as
given below. I shall pursue either one with the best of my ability,
but I cannot do both:
1. To train an army of uniformed British clerks in Spain for the
benefit of the accountants and copy-boys in London or perchance.
2. To see to it that the forces of Napoleon are driven out of Spain.
Your most obedient servant,
Wellington

Sounds like Wellington had a legitimate beef with the Foreign Office...
/

274 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #195 alegrias

* * * *
Blech, Tom Hanks is now a fat bloated old guy I cannot watch. Too much information about his politics.

I wish these guys would quit talking about their politics.

275 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:24am

re: #252 eon

/Then I actually saw it, and wondered why Clancy didn't sue them for stealing the title of his novel for a totally different and much lousier story.

The funniest (unintentional) part was when the writers moved the bomb to an evil cigarette machine. Boogedy boogedy, tobacco kills!

276 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:28am

re: #271 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There really aren't a lot of believable tough guy American actors in Hollywood.

Sadly, you are right... Firstly, it would be a stretch to see a Hollyweird lefty playing Rapp...

277 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:38am

re: #245 calvin coolidge

---Mehsud told the Associated Press: “Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”---

oh, i'm really scared...

You should be. Virginiastan is quite close, lots of potential troops very close to DC. On top of that, we're hogtied, not allowed to watch anyone in particular, or in general, or sideways, or peripherally, or imaginatively. Not that there's anyone I had in mind that needs intent, constant surveillance, or any particular group. That would be wrong.

278 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:46am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

But, taking in mind my earlier confession about only having read the one book, I thought Ryan is very deliberately NOT supposed to be some hardened "operator", but rather an analyst (and family man, etc.) who keeps getting reluctantly roped into operations?

he is...he is not a tough guy at all...very reluctant in that regard

279 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:17:47am

re: #252 eon

and wondered why Clancy didn't sue them for stealing the title of his novel for a totally different and much lousier story

Hey, at least they cast a light on the imminent peril to our nation posed by European white supremacists.

/

280 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #207 albusteve
Thanks and

those SOG and LRRP guys did a hell of a job in Cambodia...and you are exactly right about the appreciation factor, altho their stories have come out a little and a little there...some of that stuff was finally declassified a few years ago

is correct, but not all of it. A LOT of that information was destroyed by the then director of CIA Operations in SE Asia,William Colby, when he was under consideration for appointment to head the CIA. Most people concluded that the information destroyed had to do with the Phoenix Program but they were wrong. Cambodia and Laos were independent nations, officially neutral in the War and the "engagement" by SOG especially would have been totally embarrassing to Colby.

281 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:18:38am

re: #252 eon

Which was why I went WTF? when they cast Ben Affleck in The Sum of All Fears.

/Then I actually saw it, and wondered why Clancy didn't sue them for stealing the title of his novel for a totally different and much lousier story.

cheers

eon

Affleck was the best part of The Sum of All Fears. It was that bad & removed from the novel.

But he was da bomb in Phantoms, yo!

282 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:18:56am

BTW, OT but I know he is against Rush but John Gibson's radio show in Fox News Talk is excellent and really funny...

283 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:19:22am

re: #256 Abu Lahab

Yesterday: Hillary said, Iran and US hold 'cordial' talks
Today: Iran denies US claims of meeting
The Iranians lying again, I think

Gosh golly, the Taliban and the Iranians are being such meanies to poor BHO and Hillary. They will just have to try harder to make friends, just like in all those Disney movies. See, terrorists aren't evil, they just need somebody to show them that they really care...

284 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:19:32am

re: #157 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Can you imagine the devastation caused by a Jihadi who has been exposed to "Tom Sawyer" or "Trees"?

Ooooh, wrong Rush, my bad

Or perhaps Free Will.

285 Elcid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:19:45am

re: #83 Russkilitlover

I honestly don't think he has any other choice...at THIS time. The generals have probably had this in the works for some time. However, I expect more Obama Hope-n-Blather foreign policy positions will replace current strategy.

That, is very possible with his backtracking on record...So far, so good though.

Separately, Mehsud told the Associated Press: “Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”

Were that to occur inSect, with the present Obama determination, that could read as follows:

“Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington Pakistan that will amaze everyone in the world.”

You will love your new beaches, Mehsud. OH, do you know what a Geiger Counter is?

286 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:20:01am

re: #199 Dustyvet

Damn, the bastard deployed sarcasm.

287 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:20:14am

re: #249 alegrias

* * * *
What wicked wit this Wellington had.
Francisco de Goya did him justice in a great portrait of Wellington.

This one is even better ...

(I confess that I have quite a crush on Wellington ... he was amazing!)

289 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:20:22am

U.S. Hopes to Ease G.M. to Bankruptcy

Instead of signing on every creditor as is typically required in prepackaged deals, administration officials are using as leverage the promise of taxpayer financing. Many regard the government as the only lender willing to step up with money — in bankruptcy or out.


WTF? I thought bankruptcy was "Baptism By Fire".

**Sorry for the NYT link.

290 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:20:41am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

But, taking in mind my earlier confession about only having read the one book, I thought Ryan is very deliberately NOT supposed to be some hardened "operator", but rather an analyst (and family man, etc.) who keeps getting reluctantly roped into operations?

Somehow that line never works for me when I try to explain to the wife why I'm late home after stopping for a few beers at the pub.

291 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #271 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There really aren't a lot of believable tough guy American actors in Hollywood.

How old is Rapp supposed to be? Would Bruce Willis be too old to play him?

292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:02am

re: #270 Throbert McGee

He sure was!

(Although Adam Baldwin -- aka, "the Baldwin who's not actually a Baldwin" -- is maybe even lovelier.)

/ I ♥ Animal Mother

I love Adam Baldwin (in a totally non-gay way). He's a believable tough guy - he would play a great Mitch Rapp. He's got the added bonus of being a Hollywood republican.

293 mattm  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:11am

I can't wait for the anti-war moonbats to attack Dear Leader on this.

294 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #289 jorline

I thought we COULD NOT allow GM fall into bankruptcy... That's wat we were told in December, so we blew $30 Billion...

295 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:25am

Speaking of Afghanistan, the Canadian government is extremely upset with Hamid Karzai. Karzai (to prop up his regime) has pandered to regressive forces, and he has endorsed a law which infringes on women's rights. The new law (among other things) legalizes a husband to rape his wife, gives males preferential status in divorces, allows fathers immediate custody of children, etc., etc. Link from Globe and Mail here...

296 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:40am

He'll be given a pass on anything. He could drop a MOAB on the UN building and the liberals would still back him up. For them it isn't WHAT is being done, but WHO is doing it. No honor. No integrity. Just the quest for power and control. Nothing more.

297 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:21:51am

You guys remember that old joke about the new, streamlined IRS form that has one question and one instruction:

Question: How much did you make last year?
Instruction: Send it in.

It's not a joke anymore:

Financial Rescue Nears GDP as Pledges Top $12.8 Trillion

The opening line:

The U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have spent, lent or committed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year...

298 JustABill  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hot Air's April Fools gimmick: Every headline gets a picture of Palin regardless of topic. Pretty funny.

Let me guess a headline, "Ex-Vice Presidential candidates daughter caught on tape snorting cocaine"...

299 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:22:32am

re: #280 realwest

Thanks and

is correct, but not all of it. A LOT of that information was destroyed by the then director of CIA Operations in SE Asia,William Colby, when he was under consideration for appointment to head the CIA. Most people concluded that the information destroyed had to do with the Phoenix Program but they were wrong. Cambodia and Laos were independent nations, officially neutral in the War and the "engagement" by SOG especially would have been totally embarrassing to Colby.

I did not know that...it sounds illegal to me...then the anecdotal history needs to be uncovered and recorded...those SOG teams where almost super human

300 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:22:35am

re: #291 Occasional Reader

How old is Rapp supposed to be? Would Bruce Willis be too old to play him?

In the earliest books, I believe Rapp is mid-30's...

301 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:22:41am

re: #274 VioletTiger

I wish these guys would quit talking about their politics.

Actually, they've saved me a lot of money and time. I don't go to movies any more or have any movie channels. I may even turn off the basic cable service that we have, although I would miss the USA and Food networks.

302 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:23:19am

re: #300 tfc3rid

In the earliest books, I believe Rapp is mid-30's...

Bruce Willis is now too old to play Bruce Willis.

303 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #298 JustABill

Let me guess a headline, "Ex-Vice Presidential candidates daughter caught on tape snorting cocaine"...

Story was on O'Reilly last night but the producers beeped over when the guest said 'snorting cocaine' because O'Reilly wanted to remain fair.

304 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:23:44am

re: #292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I love Adam Baldwin (in a totally non-gay way). He's a believable tough guy - he would play a great Mitch Rapp. He's got the added bonus of being a Hollywood republican.

But isn't he the kind of dumb-looking one?

Maybe I'm just bitter (if he's the one I'm thinking of) that he actually got paid money to roll around naked with Cindy Crawford (in that dumb movie with the Russian bad guys).

305 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:23:52am

re: #289 jorline

Thanks for posting that. It will be interesting to see how this goes down. I expect the usual cries about Obama exerting too much influence over the situation but I'm glad he's looking after all the money we just loaned GM.

306 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #274 VioletTiger

I wish these guys would quit talking about their politics.

Best talent they have is being someone besides themselves. As soon as they open the yapper, who the hell knows what'll fly out of it.
Entertain me,dammit. I don't need/want to hear their twisted version of the truth.

307 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #293 mattm

I can't wait for the anti-war moonbats to attack Dear Leader on this.

You will have to wait a long time. Hey, send me a link when you find any attacking the messiah.

308 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:24:53am

re: #300 tfc3rid

In the earliest books, I believe Rapp is mid-30's...

Colin Farrell could play him, perhaps?

(I guess I'm making the possiby unwarranted assumption that Mitch Rapp is white... )

309 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:24:57am

re: #263 Occasional Reader

The American Airlines counter alone routinely has Spanish-speaking staff (while it's not a fully international airport, it's certainly handling a lot of international travelers). Were they all on break?

Is air traffic between DC and Puerto Rico mainly out of Reagan, or Dulles? (Or is it an even split?)

310 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:24:57am

re: #161 Dreader1962

I'm curious as to whether this is just continued policy from the previous administration or that the President is personally directing this strike in response to the threat.

Does anyone have a source that would clarify this? I would like Obama to make an Oval Office speech that specified this so we know for certain instead of generalized policy speeches.

I think that the only true way to dismantle these groups is to go in with ground troops. There is no historical precedent for conducting a war entirely from conducting airstrikes. It didn't work in Iraq or Afghanistan before we went in - it won't work in Pakistan. One day we will have to face a regime in Pakistan that is not as 'friendly' as the current one and confront a nuclear-armed, terrorist funded/controlled country. We also have to consider the growing tensions between India and Pakistan, as well as the impatience that Israel is expressing regarding Iran's attempts to gain nuclear weapons.

I really expect that our hand will be forced at some point. A 'reset' button will not do when we have enemies in control of a much more dangerous button.

We cannot go in with ground troops. We simply and staight forwardly cannot. The lack of roads and the terrian will not allow it. Impossible.
That option is off the table.
Yes our hand is being forced. Ground force is not possible.
Believe me - having flown over some of this - I cannot figure out how even a goat survives. And our troops are not goats. Has to be by air.

311 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:31am

re: #295 J.S.

Speaking of Afghanistan, the Canadian government is extremely upset with Hamid Karzai. Karzai (to prop up his regime) has pandered to regressive forces, and he has endorsed a law which infringes on women's rights. The new law (among other things) legalizes a husband to rape his wife, gives males preferential status in divorces, allows fathers immediate custody of children, etc., etc. Link from Globe and Mail here...

You mean they don't accept that Karzai is just going along with the Afghan culture of Islam? Can't they be properly multicultural?
Wait until the Canadia Human Rights Commission starts hearings on this!
/

312 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:36am

Neil Cavuto had the best analogy of the economy I've heard to date.

Cavuto said with the amount of the money infused into the economy it should be positive at this time. He stated we were in the "eye" of the hurricane. We still have the back half of the storm to come and the storm surge.

*yikes*

313 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:40am

re: #308 Occasional Reader

Colin Farrell could play him, perhaps?

(I guess I'm making the possiby unwarranted assumption that Mitch Rapp is white... )

Mitch Rapp is written as a white character...

314 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:40am

re: #287 yma o hyd

This one is even better ...

(I confess that I have quite a crush on Wellington ... he was amazing!)

I'll admit it. I've got a mancrush on Wellington.

315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:42am

re: #304 Occasional Reader

But isn't he the kind of dumb-looking one?

Maybe I'm just bitter (if he's the one I'm thinking of) that he actually got paid money to roll around naked with Cindy Crawford (in that dumb movie with the Russian bad guys).

Adam Baldwin is the "non-Baldwin Brother" Baldwin. He's in Chuck, was in The X-Files & Firefly - always plays a bad-ass.

316 redheadredstate  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:48am

re: #301 funky chicken

Actually, they've saved me a lot of money and time. I don't go to movies any more or have any movie channels. I may even turn off the basic cable service that we have, although I would miss the USA and Food networks.

Funny, I was just thinking that. Let these actors keep telling us of their politics. It helps me to keep to my resolve to keep away from movie theaters. So many of these Hollywood types barely have a high school education and we're supposed to listen to them about important world matters? Not so much. Let em talk, their stupid is showing.

317 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #313 tfc3rid

Mitch Rapp is written as a white character...

Think Jack Bauer...

318 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:26:01am

re: #245 calvin coolidge

---Mehsud told the Associated Press: “Soon, we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world.”---

oh, i'm really scared. is he gonna do something as scary as throw away our constitution, tax anyone with a wallet at 90%, print trillions of dollars we can't back up, seize control of automobile warranties, put our grandchildren so far in the hole they'll never recover, and then tell everyone what their "fair" salary is gonna be?

Is that the punk whose photograph Fox showed this morning? Totally awesome hair. Reminded me of this guitarist I useta' date.

319 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:26:07am

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Hey, at least they cast a light on the imminent peril to our nation posed by European white supremacists.

/

Not to mention the entrepreneurial spirit of Islamist terrorists.

"Hey! We found a working A-bomb! Let's sell it to somebody!"

/Ennkk. Wrong answer.

/Anybody else wanna try?

///

cheers

eon

320 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:26:29am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Thanks for posting that. It will be interesting to see how this goes down. I expect the usual cries about Obama exerting too much influence over the situation but I'm glad he's looking after all the money we just loaned GM.

Ok Killgore, I'll bite. The only thing I will cry about is Obama and the administration getting involved in ANY way.

321 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:26:42am

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

You will have to wait a long time. Hey, send me a link when you find any attacking the messiah.

PJMedia almost every day...and AmThinker

322 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:26:59am

re: #296 father_of_10

He'll be given a pass on anything. He could drop a MOAB on the UN building and the liberals would still back him up. For them it isn't WHAT is being done, but WHO is doing it. No honor. No integrity. Just the quest for power and control. Nothing more.

MOAB on the UN. Too bad it would damage other parts of NYC.
/

323 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:04am

OT

Just got this email:
Just a personal observation...as I watched the news coverage of the
massive flooding in the Midwest with the levee's about to break in
Fargo, ND, what amazed me is not what we saw, but what we didn't see...

1. We don't see looting.
2. We don't see street violence.
3. We don't see people sitting on their rooftops waiting for the
government to come and save them.
4. We don't see people waiting on the government to do anything.
5. We don't see Hollywood organizing benefits to raise money for people
to rebuild.
6. We don't see people blaming President Obama.
7. We don't see people ignoring evacuation orders.
8. We don't see people blaming a government conspiracy to blow up the
levees as the reason some have not held.
9. We don't see the US Senators or the Governor of North Dakota crying
on TV.
10. We don't see the Mayors of any of these cities complaining about the
lack of state or federal response.
11. We don't see or hear reports of the police going around confiscating
personal firearms so only the criminal will be armed.
12. We don't see gangs of people going around and randomly shooting at
the rescue workers.
13. You don't see some leaders in this country blaming the bad behavior
of the North Dakota flood victims on "society" (of course there is no
wide spread reports of lawlessness to require excuses).

324 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:11am

OT
Hottie Wisconsin Republican Paul Ryan says the Republicans have put out a real alternative budget--with numbers & tables for you number crunchers--
it's supposedly small & beautiful.

Dems are calling it an April Fool's Day joke. Nice goin' Rahm, sleazebag.

Small is beautiful. spread the word.

325 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

In the new version, he'll be married to Russell Brand, instead of Donna Reed.

/gah!

That would be "It's a Fabulous Life."

326 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #321 albusteve

PJMedia almost every day...and AmThinker

Those are LIBERAL sites?

327 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #294 tfc3rid

I thought we COULD NOT allow GM fall into bankruptcy... That's wat we were told in December, so we blew $30 Billion...

That was before the additional money and 60 day reprieve they received Monday for releasing their CEO as the POTUS suggested.

328 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:27:44am

re: #309 Throbert McGee

Is air traffic between DC and Puerto Rico mainly out of Reagan, or Dulles? (Or is it an even split?)

I don't know. But DCA is certainly a major feeder for lots of American flights from Miami and Dallas that go on to Latin America.

329 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #289 jorline

Now this is the ultimate nuance...

G.M.’s new chief, Fritz Henderson, also said that the pressure from the government pushed the automaker closer to bankruptcy.
...
The effort is a new role for the government, which has not pushed companies into bankruptcy in the past as much as it has stepped in when all else fails.


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

330 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:28:26am

re: #310 LindaMarie

We cannot go in with ground troops. We simply and staight forwardly cannot. The lack of roads and the terrian will not allow it. Impossible.
That option is off the table.
Yes our hand is being forced. Ground force is not possible.
Believe me - having flown over some of this - I cannot figure out how even a goat survives. And our troops are not goats. Has to be by air.

And the Russians also took quite a few years to figure this out before they threw in the towel and left.

We need to face some serious facts. Afghanistan as a country can't be won/controlled/subdued, whatever you want to call it. Even the Taliban couldn't control the whole country all of the time. At best we can control the few large centers of population and attempt to starve the Taliban guys out.

331 kansas  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:28:35am

re: #253 NukeAtomrod

I have no problem with Obama here. Too bad he doesn't take all the threats to America this seriously.

Too bad he doesn't take HIS threat to America seriously.

332 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:28:42am

re: #287 yma o hyd

This one is even better ...

(I confess that I have quite a crush on Wellington ... he was amazing!)

I'm glad nobody has a beef with the comment I made on Wellington. Actually, I'm relieved and that's pudding it mildly...

333 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:06am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Adam Baldwin is the "non-Baldwin Brother" Baldwin. He's in Chuck, was in The X-Files & Firefly - always plays a bad-ass.

Just don't talk to him about Reavers.

334 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:09am

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Those are LIBERAL sites?

no...I missed something there

335 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:18am

re: #287 yma o hyd

This one is even better ...

(I confess that I have quite a crush on Wellington ... he was amazing!)

Lovely pic - he could even play Jack Ryan!

336 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:39am

Number Three Bad Guy

For years, Kim Jong Il was rated (by using various rankings of national problems and achievement) the worst ruler on the planet. But this year, Kim Jong Il came in third place, behind Zimbabwe (Robert Mugabe) and Sudan (Omar al Bashir). Things haven't gotten any better in North Korea, they've just gotten much worse in Zimbabwe and Sudan.

337 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:50am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Now this is the ultimate nuance...


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

They can't go bankrupt now. Obama himself said that the US government is backing them up completely. Sounds to me like he may have made a promise he can't keep.

338 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:29:59am

re: #314 ConservatismNow!

I'll admit it. I've got a mancrush on Wellington.

He was one outstanding soldier1
No matter what historians say long after the events - when contemporary, ordinary troops revere and love their commanding general, regardless of the conditions, he must be someone special.
And the British lads did, they trusted him, come hell or high water.

He is indeed someone to have a crush on, mancrush or girlie-crush!

339 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:30:15am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Adam Baldwin is the "non-Baldwin Brother" Baldwin. He's in Chuck, was in The X-Files & Firefly - always plays a bad-ass.

Ah, that guy.

Yes, he played the near-indestructible interstellar hitman in X-Files. (I recall one scene in which he rolls up in a Ford Taurus or something, and I had to wonder: When he heads to Earth on a contract, after he lands his saucer or whatever, which car rental agency does he use?)

Off to lunch.

340 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:30:19am

re: #308 Occasional Reader

Rapp is described as tall, tanned with wavy black hair.

341 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

Ok Killgore, I'll bite. The only thing I will cry about is Obama and the administration getting involved in ANY way.

I don't think a complete hands off approach to the economy would work out very well. I'm happy that Obama is trying to do something. It might not work out but I'm content that there is an effort going on.

342 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:30:26am

re: #327 jorline

That was before the additional money and 60 day reprieve they received Monday for releasing their CEO as the POTUS suggested.

Waste of our time and money... They should have filed for brankruptcy protection 2 months ago...

343 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #334 albusteve

no...I missed something there

Mattm said "I can't wait for the anti-war moonbats to attack Dear Leader on this." and I said "it will never happen, send me a link when it does," and you quoted two conservative sites.

344 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:31:17am

re: #337 father_of_10

Read the article, it's a very interesting situation.

345 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:31:21am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Now this is the ultimate nuance...


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

Seeing how it was conservatives who from the start thought that the company should have gone into bankruptcy, maybe it's Obama thats cheering conservatives!

346 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:31:34am

re: #161 Dreader1962

I'm curious as to whether this is just continued policy from the previous administration or that the President is personally directing this strike in response to the threat.

I cannot believe that Obama is dumb enough to attempt to micromanage warfare al la Johnson during Vietnam. If he says he did and Petraeus acknowledges it then I will believe it.

Now, if he called Gen. P and said hey - Gen what do you have ready and are about to drop on these guys? Oh, OK, Do it. That's another matter. i.e., not an original thot.

347 kynna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:31:39am

Aw. It would have been so amazing if we'd gotten the very guy. But this is good. Very good. Keep it up.

348 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:31:53am

So now I suppose Obama is spending his evening redesigning the Corvette to make it fuel efficient and safe. Like 1974 revisited with a vengence.

349 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:32:14am

re: #267 funky chicken

Sweet Jesus, even with the non-stop "the president just landed in London" coverage...

Americans are morons.

* * *
Speak for yourself, moron.

350 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:32:16am

re: #311 Kosh's Shadow

Yeah, probably the multicultis will be clamouring that Canada demonstrate its respect for the differing, but wonderfully exotic (and Islamic) views on women...(I've actually read about the wonderfulness of the niqab -- written by non-Muslim women...)

351 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #338 yma o hyd

Did you ever read Rifleman Dodd? I still love that book. I've read it at least 3 times. It's a perfect companion to reading a biography about Wellington. Rifleman Dodd was a Peninsular Wars version of Rambo.

352 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:32:40am

re: #304 Occasional Reader

But isn't he the kind of dumb-looking one?

Maybe I'm just bitter (if he's the one I'm thinking of) that he actually got paid money to roll around naked with Cindy Crawford (in that dumb movie with the Russian bad guys).

Adam Baldwin is not one of the Baldwin brothers.

From Googling, it was apparently William Baldwin (i.e., one of Alec's brothers) who co-starred with Cindy Crawford.

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:07am

re: #345 sattv4u2

...maybe it's Obama thats cheering conservatives!


I like that spin.

354 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:11am

re: #337 father_of_10

They can't go bankrupt now. Obama himself said that the US government is backing them up completely. Sounds to me like he may have made a promise he can't keep.

That's what happens when you're as clueless about the real world as B.O.

The question I have is will he also bail out all the companies that are left holding debt due to doing business with GM?

Where does it end?

355 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:15am

re: #332 LGoPs

I'm glad nobody has a beef with the comment I made on Wellington. Actually, I'm relieved and that's pudding it mildly...

It was a jolly good try, this one is even better - but perhaps too many of us have tasted that really special dish, 'Beef Wellington', and thus forgave you?

:-)

356 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #179 Ben Hur

The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11. They are not Al Qaeda.

they're just the shmucks hiding aq. Since they have volunteered to be the human shields of aq, there isn't much we can do.

357 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:19am

re: #287 yma o hyd

This one is even better ...

(I confess that I have quite a crush on Wellington ... he was amazing!)

* * * *
Your Wellington wins!

358 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

Mattm said "I can't wait for the anti-war moonbats to attack Dear Leader on this." and I said "it will never happen, send me a link when it does," and you quoted two conservative sites.

I see that now...bad fu

359 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #345 sattv4u2

Seeing how it was conservatives who from the start thought that the company should have gone into bankruptcy, maybe it's Obama thats cheering conservatives!

No, Obama will blame conservatives for leaving him with no other options. In the meantime, he's opening the door to pushing pro-labor types into the GM boardroom, and the latest idea being floated is that the new GM entity will have a clean slate, while taxpayers are left holding the bag on all of GM's toxic assets (the pensions, the contracts, etc.) and will be the party to repay everyone.

360 kansas  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:01am

Adam Baldwin, a bad assed soldier in Full Metal Jacket.

361 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #338 yma o hyd

He was one outstanding soldier1
No matter what historians say long after the events - when contemporary, ordinary troops revere and love their commanding general, regardless of the conditions, he must be someone special.
And the British lads did, they trusted him, come hell or high water.

He is indeed someone to have a crush on, mancrush or girlie-crush!

Great Britain had it all in the command department back then. On land, Wellington. At sea, Nelson.

No wonder they kicked Old Boney's a$$.

/Wellington's remark on seeing his troops in review before Waterloo;

I don't know if they will frighten the enemy, but by G-d they frighten me.

cheers

eon

362 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #299 albusteve
Well actually the SOG teams weren't super human, usually 3 Americans (including the medic) and 5 or 6 Nung or Montengyards. 9-10 men can snake into country as wild and dense with jungle without being spotted by anyone - unless of course, through bad luck. Find Charlie (usually larger sized units of NVA) "hiding out" while they rest, recuperate, bring in their newbies and all, call in (usually) Napalm air strikes then run like hell for the South Vietnamese Border and choppers! Did quite a bit of "dislocation" of the Ho Chi Minh highway (it wasn't a trail, trust me on this - most of it that I saw was paved road and trucks) but resilient Charlie would rebuild and be running trucks again in a day or two.

363 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #354 J.D.

That's what happens when you're as clueless about the real world as B.O.

The question I have is will he also bail out all the companies that are left holding debt due to doing business with GM?

Where does it end?

I'm sure many suppliers are thinking hard about just how smart it is to be doing business with GM right now.

364 Dianna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:54am

re: #346 Bobibutu

Obama and an original thought do not belong in the same sentence.

365 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:34:59am

re: #301 funky chicken

Actually, they've saved me a lot of money and time. I don't go to movies any more or have any movie channels. I may even turn off the basic cable service that we have, although I would miss the USA and Food networks.

I haven't been to the movies since the LOTR trilogy. For me, it's the over the top annoying loud commercials played for 20 mins before the show. Also have a hard time watching some of the moonbat actors. I want to get into the character, but all I can hear is their politics.

Turned off cable service 18 months ago and haven't missed it for a minute. Spend a lot of time on-line, reading books, having friends and family over for lunch/brunch/dinner and actually have a conversation. It's like a whole new world :)

366 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:35:17am

re: #338 yma o hyd

Wellington was good, but Andrew Jackson kicked some of his veterans' asses at the Battle of New Orleans.

367 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:35:29am

re: #353 Killgore Trout

I like that spin.

How is that spin? I will admit I posted it semi-tongue in cheek, but it's factually correct. Conservatives were calling for the company to go into bankruptcy so the company could reorganize under the law. Conservatives (100% Repubs in congress) voted AGAINSt the bailout bill. If Obama is considering letting it go into bankruptcy, he has come around to the conservatives way of thinking on this

368 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:35:30am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

The Left has already been sniping at Obama's warmongering:

The Great Afghan Bailout

369 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:35:30am

re: #359 lawhawk

No, Obama will blame conservatives for leaving him with no other options. In the meantime, he's opening the door to pushing pro-labor types into the GM boardroom, and the latest idea being floated is that the new GM entity will have a clean slate, while taxpayers are left holding the bag on all of GM's toxic assets (the pensions, the contracts, etc.) and will be the party to repay everyone.

Yep. And on top of all you've cited, we can add this:

Feds will guarantee GM, Chrysler new-car warranties

370 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:35:55am

I am reading through portions and highlights of the GOP budget proposal... It would seek to limit government spending at or below the 20% of GDP while the Dems plan goes over 40%...

Looks to move Americans under 55 to medicare similar to Congress, same with social security... Freezes spending on all items except Defense, National Security and Veterans Care over the next five years. Calls for making permanent the Bush tax cuts and provides for some flat tax rates.

371 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:06am

re: #282 tfc3rid

BTW, OT but I know he is against Rush but John Gibson's radio show in Fox News Talk is excellent and really funny...

* * * *
As Mao said, "Let a thousand talk show hosts bloom". The more the merrier.

372 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:07am

re: #355 yma o hyd

It was a jolly good try, this one is even better - but perhaps too many of us have tasted that really special dish, 'Beef Wellington', and thus forgave you?

:-)

Or Wellington's got a beef...:)

373 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:09am

Weather update...

Snow showers already started on I70 west of Georgetown (lovely place to visit) and should be in the Denver Metro Front Range region by this afternoon. Up to 6 inches before tomorrow morning.

374 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:17am

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I just finished reading an editorial that says that even Socialist Europe (might add, Canada also) would balk at the hiring and firing and appointing of CEOs. To my mind, that's incredible...not even in the planned economies of say, Germany, would you find this.

375 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:21am

re: #217 Dianna

I empathize. He made my heart go pitty-pat.

I never saw the things you saw.

376 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:35am

re: #361 eon

Too bad Nelson's triumph was also his end.

377 jorline  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:41am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Now this is the ultimate nuance...


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

Hey KT.

I don't like the bailouts period. Bankruptcy is set up to reorganize. If they're a viable company and have a good product everyone, including the unions, will step up to the plate and work through these rough times. American Airlines and Continental Airlines did just that...pay cuts and trimming of cost, but they companies came out of bankruptcy.

70% of your salary is better than 100% of nothing.

378 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:41am

re: #359 lawhawk

No, Obama will blame conservatives for leaving him with no other options. In the meantime, he's opening the door to pushing pro-labor types into the GM boardroom, and the latest idea being floated is that the new GM entity will have a clean slate, while taxpayers are left holding the bag on all of GM's toxic assets (the pensions, the contracts, etc.) and will be the party to repay everyone.

How so? Obama has the votes in congress to give these companies as much money and time as he wants!

379 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:43am

re: #342 tfc3rid

Waste of our time and money... They should have filed for brankruptcy protection 2 months ago...

now BO has one foot on the platform and the other on the train...what a sap and where did the original 80B go?...down the tubes...what a fucking mess...he dumped Wagoner for personal spite

380 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:43am

re: #267 funky chicken

Sweet Jesus, even with the non-stop "the president just landed in London" coverage...

Americans are morons.

When he did the Shuttle landing, there was no Shuttle currently in orbit. It didn't stop hundreds of people showing up at the tiny airfield.

381 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:49am

Goodness, the one green checkmark he's gotten from me this whole year! Props!

382 saylorfam  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:36:55am

Wag the Dog

383 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #363 father_of_10

I'm sure many suppliers are thinking hard about just how smart it is to be doing business with GM right now.

I'd say so!
Wait 'til those suppliers end up not able to pay their taxes because of this mess.

It's ugly.

384 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:37:20am

The air strike is fine and dandy, but we are NOT going to win this war from the air. We haven't been able to in the past and we are not going to be able to now.

385 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:37:22am

I was worried that Obama was going to be too soft on the unions...

The administration hopes to win support from some of G.M.’s creditors, notably the United Automobile Workers, which would be forced to pare its health care benefits and whose pension obligations would probably remain in the old company. But the bankruptcy code allows a judge to approve a sale even over creditor objections in an emergency under Section 363, legal experts say. Such was the case with the Lehman sale.

386 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:01am

re: #368 Kenneth

The Left has already been sniping at Obama's warmongering:

The Great Afghan Bailout

Good. Thanks for that link. I use to read the Nation to get the other point of view, but in the last few years, they have gone totally around the bend.

387 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:23am

re: #352 Throbert McGee

Neither was Stanley Baldwin.

388 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #362 realwest

Well actually the SOG teams weren't super human, usually 3 Americans (including the medic) and 5 or 6 Nung or Montengyards. 9-10 men can snake into country as wild and dense with jungle without being spotted by anyone - unless of course, through bad luck. Find Charlie (usually larger sized units of NVA) "hiding out" while they rest, recuperate, bring in their newbies and all, call in (usually) Napalm air strikes then run like hell for the South Vietnamese Border and choppers! Did quite a bit of "dislocation" of the Ho Chi Minh highway (it wasn't a trail, trust me on this - most of it that I saw was paved road and trucks) but resilient Charlie would rebuild and be running trucks again in a day or two.

I've read about some incredible firefights those guy couldnt dodge...unbelievable heroism

389 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:44am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

the bankruptcy code allows a judge to approve a sale even over creditor objections

Who gets to pick which judge this would go too?

390 kynna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #352 Throbert McGee

Adam Baldwin is not one of the Baldwin brothers.

From Googling, it was apparently William Baldwin (i.e., one of Alec's brothers) who co-starred with Cindy Crawford.

Adam Baldwin was in a teen movie called "My Bodyguard" that was very good IIRC. With Martin Mull and Ruth Gordon and some other kid who didn't do much more. And a teen idol whose name escapes me. Matt Dillon?

Stephen Baldwin is the Christian, Alec Baldwin is the one with talent (yes, he is and, as much as I dislike him, it's still true), William Baldwin is the one who had a bunch of chances and never caught and there's another one with drug probs. Why do I know so much about the Baldwins? I need a delete button for the files in my brain.

391 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:38:57am

re: #367 sattv4u2

How is that spin? I will admit I posted it semi-tongue in cheek, but it's factually correct. Conservatives were calling for the company to go into bankruptcy so the company could reorganize under the law. Conservatives (100% Repubs in congress) voted AGAINSt the bailout bill. If Obama is considering letting it go into bankruptcy, he has come around to the conservatives way of thinking on this

It really doesn't matter how you look at it. I think everyone is more or less in agreement.

392 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:01am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Now this is the ultimate nuance...


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

Cheer? No. Bankruptcy should have been the only option for GM a long time ago. Certainly before billions of taypayer dollars were flushed down that particular toilet.

393 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:15am

re: #323 father_of_10
You also haven't seen any photo's of Obama in a helicopter "surveying the damage" anytime in the last oh, week to ten days.

394 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:34am

re: #295 J.S.

Speaking of Afghanistan, the Canadian government is extremely upset with Hamid Karzai. Karzai (to prop up his regime) has pandered to regressive forces, and he has endorsed a law which infringes on women's rights. The new law (among other things) legalizes a husband to rape his wife, gives males preferential status in divorces, allows fathers immediate custody of children, etc., etc. Link from Globe and Mail here...

e

And the written, passed and signed law is secret.
No news media has read it.
it has not been published.

In this case - black smoke

Shameful indeed.

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:45am

re: #389 sattv4u2

I suspect the whole situation is going to be orchestrated by the White House.

396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:53am

re: #362 realwest

Well actually the SOG teams weren't super human, usually 3 Americans (including the medic) and 5 or 6 Nung or Montengyards. 9-10 men can snake into country as wild and dense with jungle without being spotted by anyone - unless of course, through bad luck. Find Charlie (usually larger sized units of NVA) "hiding out" while they rest, recuperate, bring in their newbies and all, call in (usually) Napalm air strikes then run like hell for the South Vietnamese Border and choppers! Did quite a bit of "dislocation" of the Ho Chi Minh highway (it wasn't a trail, trust me on this - most of it that I saw was paved road and trucks) but resilient Charlie would rebuild and be running trucks again in a day or two.

One of the best SOG stories I ever read was about a SOG team that posted Playboy centerfolds - and Claymores - around spots on the trail where the VC/NVA were known to rest. As soon as they all gathered around to gawk at the porno tree - BLAM!

397 kynna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:39:58am

re: #354 J.D.

That's what happens when you're as clueless about the real world as B.O.

The question I have is will he also bail out all the companies that are left holding debt due to doing business with GM?

Where does it end?

I think Daniel Hannon needs to come give Obama a talking to. No Republicans seem to have the nerve.

398 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:40:26am

Netanyahu: Stop Iran or I will


The primary imperative for the United States and President Barack Obama is to put an end to Iran’s nuclear race, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said before his swearing-in Tuesday, adding that if the US failed to do so Israel might be forced to resort to a military strike on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear installations.

“The Obama presidency has two great missions: fixing the economy, and preventing Iran from gaining nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu told The Atlantic. The Iranian drive for a nuclear weapon was a “hinge of history,” he said, emphasizing that all of “Western civilization” was responsible for preventing an Iranian bomb. …

Netanyahu suggested that Israeli preemptive strikes against perceived threats were the result of the Jewish people learning from a long history of grappling against those who threatened their collective existence. He cited Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s repeated calls to “wipe Israel off the map,” as well as a recent remark by the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to the effect that Israel was a “cancerous tumor.”


[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

399 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:40:30am

re: #384 Nevergiveup

The air strike is fine and dandy, but we are NOT going to win this war from the air. We haven't been able to in the past and we are not going to be able to now.

agreed...the Taliban are an endless thing under these circumstances...there is no will to entirely liquidate them...even so the would return imo

400 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #366 Honorary Yooper

Wellington was good, but Andrew Jackson kicked some of his veterans' asses at the Battle of New Orleans.

Cottonbalers, by God...motto of the 7th United States Infantry.
My old regiment.

401 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:40:59am

re: #376 ConservatismNow!

Too bad Nelson's triumph was also his end.

Patton once said that

The only way for a true soldier to die is from the last shot, fired on the last day, of the last war.

I have it on good authority (relative, WWII veteran, now gone) that the General was a great admirer of both the Duke and Lord Horatio.

/For many reasons, not just for the way Nelson died in his moment of triumph.

cheers

eon

402 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:41:01am

re: #389 sattv4u2

the bankruptcy code allows a judge to approve a sale even over creditor objections

Who gets to pick which judge this would go too?

I guess alot would depend if this is a "Guided" bankruptcy or a regular one?

403 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:41:16am

re: #395 Killgore Trout

I suspect the whole situation is going to be orchestrated by the White House.

So there's a chance, as payback for support, the White House orchestrates favorable bamnkruptcy conditions to the unions

404 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:41:18am

re: #393 realwest

You also haven't seen any photo's of Obama in a helicopter "surveying the damage" anytime in the last oh, week to ten days.

And no criticism of him for not being there. National disasters are non-stories when the Democrats are running the nation and the media.

405 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:41:36am

re: #310 LindaMarie

We cannot go in with ground troops. We simply and staight forwardly cannot. The lack of roads and the terrian will not allow it. Impossible.
That option is off the table.
Yes our hand is being forced. Ground force is not possible.
Believe me - having flown over some of this - I cannot figure out how even a goat survives. And our troops are not goats. Has to be by air.

* * * *
If Pres. Obama cuts military spending, we could always clone a mountain goat cavalry unit to take Afghani terrain. PETA would have a cow, but ...

406 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #370 tfc3rid

I am reading through portions and highlights of the GOP budget proposal... It would seek to limit government spending at or below the 20% of GDP while the Dems plan goes over 40%...

I guess it doesn't really matter where either party wants to "propose" spending as a percentage of GDP - since according to Bloomberg, the feds have already committed funding that almost equals the entire GDP of last year.

Link to the article is in this post:

re: #297 subsailor68

407 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:01am

re: #364 Dianna

Obama and an original thought do not belong in the same sentence.

Touche, Madam. I yield!

408 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:29am

re: #405 alegrias

* * * *
If Pres. Obama cuts military spending, we could always clone a mountain goat cavalry unit to take Afghani terrain. PETA would have a cow, but ...

Tell 'em to stuff it up their ass...er, I mean donkey...
/

409 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #310 LindaMarie

If the 'bad people', then it is not impossible for ground troops. I never said it would be easy. US civilians are casualty-averse in modern times. We need to break ourselves of this 'habit' and take the necessary risks.

410 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:37am

re: #401 eon

Patton once said that

The only way for a true soldier to die is from the last shot, fired on the last day, of the last war.

I have it on good authority (relative, WWII veteran, now gone) that the General was a great admirer of both the Duke and Lord Horatio.

/For many reasons, not just for the way Nelson died in his moment of triumph.

cheers

eon

That's a bit of a harsh retirement plan!

411 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:57am

Here's an update on something we had previously been talking about:

Dunkin' Donuts operator gives up franchise in pork battle

An Arab-American owner of a Chicago-area Dunkin' Donuts store has to give up his franchise after he lost his long-running legal battle with the restaurant chain over his religious objections to selling pork products.

A lawyer for Walid Elkhatib said Tuesday that his client is in the process of removing Dunkin' Donuts signs from his Westchester outlet, but apparently not fast enough for the company.

Dunkin' Donuts went to federal court in Chicago on March 27 to stop Elkhatib, 59, from using the company's trademarks and other proprietary materials.

The company's lawsuit came two weeks after a federal jury found that the chain did not discriminate against Elkhatib for refusing to renew his franchise agreement because he declined to sell breakfast sandwiches with bacon, ham or sausage.

Elkhatib deserved to lose. He broke the franchise contract.

412 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #398 Dustyvet

I have said this before but I think it bears repeating. Please don't mistake Bibi for a leader with a real set of balls. In general he is all talk and little action.

413 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #408 LGoPs

Tell 'em to stuff it up their ass...er, I mean donkey...
/

Or sea-kitten

414 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:43:29am

re: #359 lawhawk

No, Obama will blame conservatives for leaving him with no other options. In the meantime, he's opening the door to pushing pro-labor types into the GM boardroom, and the latest idea being floated is that the new GM entity will have a clean slate, while taxpayers are left holding the bag on all of GM's toxic assets (the pensions, the contracts, etc.) and will be the party to repay everyone.

That's exactly how I see it going down. Taking a bad situation and making it much, much, much worse.

415 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:43:31am

re: #403 sattv4u2

So there's a chance, as payback for support, the White House orchestrates favorable bamnkruptcy conditions to the unions

of course...that's a given...protect the source of the problem for the votes

416 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:44:06am

re: #403 sattv4u2

So there's a chance, as payback for support, the White House orchestrates favorable bamnkruptcy conditions to the unions

Ya dance with the one ya brought to the party I guess.

417 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:44:39am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Now this is the ultimate nuance...


So will conservatives now cheer Obama for pushing the company into bankruptcy? Wasn't that the preferred outcome for conservatives?

* * *
Reorganization under Chapter 11 was always my first preference, as it would have allowed the breaking of union contracts and other restrictive costly drags on GM.

418 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:44:49am

I running over to the store for a morning snack. Something high in fat and calories. That way I know it will taste good.

419 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #351 ConservatismNow!

Did you ever read Rifleman Dodd? I still love that book. I've read it at least 3 times. It's a perfect companion to reading a biography about Wellington. Rifleman Dodd was a Peninsular Wars version of Rambo.

No - but I read the 'Sharpe'-novels by Bernard Conrwell - and, natch, watched the TV series, with Sean Bean as Sharpe ...

420 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #419 yma o hyd

No - but I read the 'Sharpe'-novels by Bernard Conrwell - and, natch, watched the TV series, with Sean Bean as Sharpe ...

re: #419 yma o hyd

No - but I read the 'Sharpe'-novels by Bernard Conrwell - and, natch, watched the TV series, with Sean Bean as Sharpe ...

Good 'ol Boromir. He looked bigger in Lord of the Rings

421 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #419 yma o hyd

His newer Viking series is very good!

So is his latest Azincourt.

422 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:46:43am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Adam Baldwin is the "non-Baldwin Brother" Baldwin. He's in Chuck, was in The X-Files & Firefly - always plays a bad-ass.

Was the Area 51 commander in Independence Day as well

423 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #417 alegrias

* * *
Reorganization under Chapter 11 was always my first preference, as it would have allowed the breaking of union contracts and other restrictive costly drags on GM.

The unions will still get more than they deserve. The Demonrats will ensure that. Spits.

424 vxbush  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:47:38am

re: #422 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Was the Area 51 commander in Independence Day as well

I didn't realize he was a Baldwin until I saw the credits roll one night on Chuck. Blew my mind a bit.

Greetings, everyone. Crazy morning, so unable to get on until now.

425 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:12am

re: #422 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Was the Area 51 commander in Independence Day as well

I never knew who he was. Ya learning something new every day

426 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:16am

re: #419 yma o hyd

No - but I read the 'Sharpe'-novels by Bernard Conrwell - and, natch, watched the TV series, with Sean Bean as Sharpe ...

if they'd broadcast that series here I'd watch it...I am a gig fan of Cornwells other stuff...I'm waiting for Aigoncourt

427 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:25am

re: #249 alegrias

What wicked wit this Wellington had.
Francisco de Goya did him justice in a great portrait of Wellington.

Beefcake Wellington!

428 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:52am

re: #420 axegrinder

Good 'ol Boromir. He looked bigger in Lord of the Rings


re: #422 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Baldwin started out as a bad ass in My Bodyguard. Good movie that.

429 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:57am

re: #424 vxbush

I didn't realize he was a Baldwin until I saw the credits roll one night on Chuck. Blew my mind a bit.

Greetings, everyone. Crazy morning, so unable to get on until now.

His last name happens to be "Baldwin," but he's not one of the "Baldwin Brothers."

430 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:48:59am

So Obama is having tea with the Queen now?

431 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:49:04am

re: #366 Honorary Yooper

Wellington was good, but Andrew Jackson kicked some of his veterans' asses at the Battle of New Orleans.

Are ye sayin that Andrew Jackson would have beaten Napoleon, or even Wellington himself, she asks, rolling up her sleeves in preparation for battle ...!

;-)

432 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:00am

re: #362 realwest


That is all that can be done on the Afghan/Paki boarder.

There are no roads. It is like the Grand Canyon stretched to the size of Arizona.

433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:12am

re: #430 Nevergiveup

So Obama is having tea with the Queen now?

Apparently he gave her the 30th-Anniversary release of Queen's "Night at The Opera" as a gift.
/

434 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #409 Dreader1962

If the 'bad people', then it is not impossible for ground troops. I never said it would be easy. US civilians are casualty-averse in modern times. We need to break ourselves of this 'habit' and take the necessary risks.

^^ 'If the 'bad people' are there...'

Sorry...

435 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #419 yma o hyd

No - but I read the 'Sharpe'-novels by Bernard Conrwell - and, natch, watched the TV series, with Sean Bean as Sharpe ...

I've been reading Gaunt's Ghost series, often described as Sharpe in Space. Keep waiting for someone to make a movie/series

436 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:36am

BOSTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's aunt will be allowed to remain in the United States until at least next year as she awaits a chance to make her case before an immigration judge in her bid for asylum from her native Kenya.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

SHOCKA!
/

437 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:50:54am

re: #426 albusteve

if they'd broadcast that series here I'd watch it...I am a gig fan of Cornwells other stuff...I'm waiting for Aigoncourt

You can download those off usenet groups. I saw most of them but missed the one with Elizebeth Hurley in it.

438 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey LOL! Well that's a good story - sorta doubt it's authenticity, but still a good one! Claymores' weigh roughly 4 pounds a piece and when you travel light - for speed - it's kinda hard to carry enough of them to do the kind of damage that would have been worth the effort!
Now having some fast movers drop 12 Napalm bombs on a regiment of the NVA, especially in the little valley's they liked to R&R in, produced rather spectacular results!

439 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:16am

re: #362 realwest

Good article - then and now.

[Link: www.vietquoc.com...]

The HCM Trail was a complex of parallel truck routes and foot paths.

Most truck routes were dirt roads, some important portions were paved with rock and pebbles. All of them were in the territory of Laos and not a bit of it touched the Vietnamese soil except for the first part of about 50 kilometers from the starting points.

Most convoys departed at three major loading areas inside North Vietnam’s panhandle region and began their journey by heading to the Laotian borders, following the three paved highways built before 1945 by the French colonialist authorities in Indochina. All the three roads connect the Vietnam’s provinces of Nghe An, Ha Tinh and Quang Binh with the Laotian road network across the common border.

440 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:17am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Among other things, I'm a bankruptcy lawyer. Chapter 11 always was the most practical business strategy for GM and Chrysler. Chapter 11 enables the rejection of unfavorable labor contracts, unfavorable supplier contracts, and unfavorable dealership contracts. GM and Chrysler could have emerged from bankruptcy leaner and more competitive, restructured to become profitable.

They could have done this while in private hands. Instead, they took billions of taxpayer dollars, putting them under the control of President Barack Obama. Obama's top priority is protecting the labor unions. That's why Congress authorized the "bailout". That's why Obama won't permit GM and Chrysler to fail. Whether the companies file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy or not, the labor unions will be protected. Management, controlled by Obama, will see to it.

Further, the autos the reorganized GM and CHrysler produce will meet Obama's specifications, whether consumers like them or not. Because controlling GM and Chrysler is no longer about meeting consumer demand in the marketplace. It's about the U.S. government "partnering" with GM and Chrysler to preserve union jobs at all costs. There's a word for economic government/private partnerships of this sort. It's called "fascism".

Obama. Fascism. Get used to it.

441 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:19am

re: #431 yma o hyd

Are ye sayin that Andrew Jackson would have beaten Napoleon, or even Wellington himself, she asks, rolling up her sleeves in preparation for battle ...!

;-)

Sherman sure as hell would have beaten the lot of them.

442 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:20am

re: #430 Nevergiveup

So Obama is having tea with the Queen now?

He's having tea with Elton John!?

443 tedzilla99  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:31am

The good news about the Messiah 'pulling the trigger' is that nobody that was killed will be reported as 'innocent'. Only W kills women and children and puppies and endangered polar bears.

444 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #378 sattv4u2

How so? Obama has the votes in congress to give these companies as much money and time as he wants!

Why waste a crisis? He can blame the conservatives for not taking action sooner. He can simply state as much, and who's going to correct him? The media? They're still pushing his agenda for him and the Congress and Administration are playing everyone in a bad cop-worse cop kind of way.

445 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:50am

re: #437 axegrinder

You can download those off usenet groups. I saw most of them but missed the one with Elizebeth Hurley in it.

thanks..I'd rather have CDs actually

446 gnargtharst  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:51:55am

"Exactly the right thing to do when the Taliban threatens to attack America" is to wipe out the Taliban entirely, and threaten any government that still dares to harbor them that they too will be obliterated should we hear a peep from the radicals in their midst. ...and be ready to deliver on that threat if necessary.

Killing 12 radicals in a timid pin-price is unacceptably appeasing.

447 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:52:14am

re: #362 realwest

Well actually the SOG teams weren't super human, usually 3 Americans (including the medic) and 5 or 6 Nung or Montengyards. 9-10 men can snake into country as wild and dense with jungle without being spotted by anyone - unless of course, through bad luck. Find Charlie (usually larger sized units of NVA) "hiding out" while they rest, recuperate, bring in their newbies and all, call in (usually) Napalm air strikes then run like hell for the South Vietnamese Border and choppers! Did quite a bit of "dislocation" of the Ho Chi Minh highway (it wasn't a trail, trust me on this - most of it that I saw was paved road and trucks) but resilient Charlie would rebuild and be running trucks again in a day or two.

* * *
Wow, Real, you're giving me flashbacks. I think my old dad brought back from Vietnam a Hmong/Montagnard bow & arrow thingy they used in the jungle. He said those people were fierce, brave & true to us.

448 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:52:20am

re: #432 LindaMarie

Never underestimate what small teams of Special Operations soldiers can do...

There are plenty of people chomping at the bit to do some damage - they are held back by bureaucrats and politicians.

Trust me on this...

449 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #435 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I've been reading Gaunt's Ghost series, often described as Sharpe in Space. Keep waiting for someone to make a movie/series

Pick up Abnett's Double Eagle. Good read. His Titanicus wasn't that hot imho.

450 vxbush  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:52:23am

re: #429 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

His last name happens to be "Baldwin," but he's not one of the "Baldwin Brothers."

No relation at all?

451 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:53:04am

The Justice Department on Wednesday asked a federal judge to drop all charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

And of course we have a do over in the election right? So we can get our seat back?
/

452 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #449 Mithrax

Pick up Abnett's Double Eagle. Good read. His Titanicus wasn't that hot imho.

Haven't read Titanicus yet. The Eisenhorn trilogy was his best work I think. Ravenor not so much.

453 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:53:40am

re: #442 sattv4u2

He's having tea with Elton John!?

So he's saying goodbye to that yellow brick road, 'cause the bitch is back?
Gotta wonder if he's still standing.

454 Dianna  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:53:59am

re: #375 Eowyn2

I never saw the things you saw.

Oh, that nose, those cheekbones and those eyes!

455 eon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:15am

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

That's a bit of a harsh retirement plan!

My uncle (the vet) said he was pretty sure the General (as he referred to him) got that observation from a gentleman he spent a good bit of time talking to growing up. A former Confederate cavalry commander by the name of John Singleton Mosby.

You can read about it here;

Rebel Raider

Well, have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

456 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:18am

When it comes to this attack, I give the annointed one ZERO credit.

Whoever pushed the button gets the credit.

457 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:31am

re: #442 sattv4u2

He's having tea with Elton John!?

Are we talking "A" Queen or "The" Queen? Or the "Popular" Queen?

458 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:36am

re: #453 Honorary Yooper

So he's saying goodbye to that yellow brick road, 'cause the bitch is back?
Gotta wonder if he's still standing.

After all this time?

459 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #445 albusteve

thanks..I'd rather have CDs actually

There's always Ebay.

460 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:55:09am

re: #452 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Upding for Esienhorn. Hell of a great series.

461 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:55:12am

re: #453 Honorary Yooper

So he's saying goodbye to that yellow brick road, 'cause the bitch is back?
Gotta wonder if he's still standing.

wow...the elusive 3fer...well played!

462 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:55:20am

re: #440 quickjustice

Yes, they'll be forced to produce more "green" cars and fewer pickups and SUV's, which is what constitute the large part of what GM and Chrysler sell.
So they'll be forced to produce cars nobody buys but not the trucks people want.
Trabant anyone?

463 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:55:43am

re: #458 J.D.

After all this time?

Does he still Believe in that Philadelphia Freedom, or is Saturday Night Alright for Fighting?

464 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:55:59am

re: #446 gnargtharst

"Exactly the right thing to do when the Taliban threatens to attack America" is to wipe out the Taliban entirely, and threaten any government that still dares to harbor them that they too will be obliterated should we hear a peep from the radicals in their midst. ...and be ready to deliver on that threat if necessary.

Killing 12 radicals in a timid pin-price is unacceptably appeasing.

44 does not have the balls to take it to this level.

465 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:56:19am

re: #450 vxbush

No relation at all?

Nope. Here's some info on him:

Adam Baldwin

466 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #421 Mithrax

His newer Viking series is very good!

So is his latest Azincourt.

Thats on my wish-list!

That battle is another one of the Great British classics, and thats where the famous V-sign with the two fingers is said to have originated ...

467 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:56:32am

re: #451 Nevergiveup

The Justice Department on Wednesday asked a federal judge to drop all charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

And of course we have a do over in the election right? So we can get our seat back?
/

That whole thing was fishy from the start. I have this tiny little voice in my head saying that the case was rigged from before the announcement of charges. And the supposed misconduct was actually done on purpose. I mean the timing was certainly questionable from the get go.

468 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:12am

re: #464 Erik The Red

44 does not have the balls to take it to this level.

Reggie Jackson has balls and he was Always good in the clutch. Oh that 44--never mind.

469 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #438 realwest

Now having some fast movers drop 12 Napalm bombs on a regiment of the NVA, especially in the little valley's they liked to R&R in, produced rather spectacular results!

I was flying in a Huey near the Parrots Beak and got to observe one strike from a couple thousand feet up. That was shock and awe!

470 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:35am

re: #390 kynna

It was a real shame when the Canadians bombed the Baldwins back in 1999.

471 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:54am

re: #463 Honorary Yooper

Does he still Believe in that Philadelphia Freedom, or is Saturday Night Alright for Fighting?

Damn!
You're good! lol

472 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:54am

re: #465 subsailor68

Nope. Here's some info on him:

Adam Baldwin

Is he a moonbat?

473 vxbush  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:57:57am

re: #465 subsailor68

Nope. Here's some info on him:

Adam Baldwin

Oh, yay. Much better then. I enjoy watching him on Chuck. He's hysterical.

474 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:58:16am

re: #426 albusteve

if they'd broadcast that series here I'd watch it...I am a gig fan of Cornwells other stuff...I'm waiting for Aigoncourt

You can buy them on Amazon.

475 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #457 Nevergiveup

Are we talking "A" Queen or "The" Queen? Or the "Popular" Queen?

or Dancing Queen

476 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:58:40am

re: #456 essayons7

i understand the sentiment but he responded, he did what was right. so i give him credit.

i have to wonder though, if it was just to be able to say pakistan in the goofy way he says it. //

the pockistahn pronunciation drives me nuts because he is not consistent with the other "stans"

477 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:59:18am

Dear Mr. President,

In reference to the GM situation, and the actions taken by the administration, I'd like to recommend the following reference materials:

"Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell
The Constitution of the United States

The former will help you understand what you're doing wrong economically.
The latter will help you understand what you're doing wrong constitutionally.

478 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:59:24am

re: #472 Nevergiveup

Is he a moonbat?

His character in Chuck is a rabid Conservative. Keeps a picture of Reagan on his desk. The show makes fun of him, of course.

479 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:59:37am

Winning in Afghanistan

Watch all 6 videos in the talk. excellent stuff.

480 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #474 Russkilitlover

You can buy them on Amazon.

cool, thanks

481 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 9:59:53am

re: #409 Dreader1962

If the 'bad people', then it is not impossible for ground troops. I never said it would be easy. US civilians are casualty-averse in modern times. We need to break ourselves of this 'habit' and take the necessary risks.


I missed the "bad people" part of this relpy.

I must repeat - it is not possible. This would not be a 'necessary risks" action.
It would be suicide in the greatest terms possible, not to mention stupid since few would survive.

I have flown over these areas - we can't fight in them.
No roads - so no vehicles. Only by air and even then - in areas the landing spots can be miles away.

I think the army is a little lacking in horses now, and they would not last long in places they would have to trek through

482 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:00:18am
483 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:04am

re: #404 father_of_10

And no criticism of him for not being there. National disasters are non-stories when the Democrats are running the nation and the media.

Just the sounds of crickets.
I hope things improve for Fargo, etc, soon.

484 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:14am

I am so happy to see that we are giving these fools care packages. Too bad we didn't get the big fish.

485 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:18am

re: #466 yma o hyd

Thats on my wish-list!

That battle is another one of the Great British classics, and thats where the famous V-sign with the two fingers is said to have originated ...

One thing that Cornwell does very very well is research. Very good notes in the back of Azincourt.

Of course, if you want some more good historical fiction, then I recommend Patrick O'Brian.

486 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:27am

Oh boy, the City of Plano is testing the civil defense sirens (I hear the whooping). It's 12 noon.

487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #472 Nevergiveup

Is he a moonbat?

No, he's a rare Hollywood conservative.

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:01:51am

re: #451 Nevergiveup

The Justice Department on Wednesday asked a federal judge to drop all charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

And of course we have a do over in the election right? So we can get our seat back?
/


As much as I hated losing a senate seat, the Repubs don;'t need that type of politician on "our" side

Let the libs have the reprobates

489 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:02:07am

re: #476 phoenixgirl


I suppose, but I just can't pat this guy on the back because of ONE decision. One attack does not a foreign policy make.

But, if this is a sign of things to come, then maybe I can be hopeful. I'll just have to wait and see.

490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:02:09am

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

Oh boy, the City of Plano is testing the civil defense sirens (I hear the whooping). It's 12 noon.

Everyone duck into their giant tackle boxes!

491 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:02:21am

re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, he's a rare Hollywood conservative.


Thanks. I keep a list and I check it twice.

492 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:02:25am

re: #481 LindaMarie

Why are you so insistent in this? Haven't you figure out that I'm calling for Special Operations to do the job, not massive division of Armor/Infantry.

You keep insisting that this is impossible because there are no roads - are you seriously claiming that our military can only fight in areas that have roads? I guess things may have changed quite a bit since I retired in 2002.

Also, what makes you so sure that no Americans have ever been in these areas in the past?

493 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:02:57am

The UK is so fucked up. The demos there today just shows what a sorry state and lack of control the country is in. Very sad.

494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:19am

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

I always figured "Pocky-stan" to be someplace where they don't vaccinate for smallpox.

Quebec may be renamed "Hockey-stan."

495 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

I always figured "Pocky-stan" to be someplace where they don't vaccinate for smallpox.

Or someplace where they don't have access to Proactiv.

/jessica simpson

496 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:42am

re: #488 sattv4u2

As much as I hated losing a senate seat, the Repubs don;'t need that type of politician on "our" side

Let the libs have the reprobates

I understand and agree with your sentiment, but shit with it looking bad for Coleman, I'll take any seat right now. I really don't want to end up living in a commie red state.

497 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:42am

re: #456 essayons7

When it comes to this attack, I give the annointed one ZERO credit.

Whoever pushed the button gets the credit.

If he ordered it, he order it, how can you change that?

498 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #432 LindaMarie
Well I agree with your general premise, but not because of a lack of roads. You're correct that it is extremely inhospitable terrain, but it is for both sides.
Bad news really is that the Bad guys know that terrain waay better than the good guys.
Although methinks someone out here said we couldn't win in Tora-Bora for the same reason (and yes I know Tora-Bora is rugged, but nothing compared to where you're talking about). Still and all small unit, special forces, drones and attack aircraft can do amazing amounts of damage to the Bad guys.
What really worries me is that Pakistan has nukes and I'm inclined to believe they are crazy enough to use them if they think their territorial sovereignty is in danger of being lost.

499 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #457 Nevergiveup

Are we talking "A" Queen or "The" Queen? Or the "Popular" Queen?

Banking Queen.

500 gnargtharst  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:04:08am

re: #464 Erik The Red

I'm not willing to give 43 a pass on this point either.

501 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #441 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sherman sure as hell would have beaten the lot of them.

No effen way!
Napoleon would have wiped the battlefield with him, for starters.
Much as we can loathe that little corporal - he was an extremely gifted soldier and general, way ahead of his time.
There was only one soldier and general before him whom Napoleon really admired - and that was none other than Frederick the Great of Prussia.

So Sherman would have had his work cut out against Napoleon.
And as for beating Wellington ... aww ... nope ...

:-))

502 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:04:43am

re: #478 axegrinder

His character in Chuck is a rabid Conservative. Keeps a picture of Reagan on his desk. The show makes fun of him, of course.

Gary Sinise's character on CSI:NY is a retired Marine. He has a picture of Reagan on the wall behind his desk. Nobody makes fun of him.

503 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:04:49am

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

Oh boy, the City of Plano is testing the civil defense sirens (I hear the whooping). It's 12 noon.

We get that next Tuesday at 10am all across the area. The tornado sirens are always tested at 10am on the first Tuesday of the month.

504 Sizzlack  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:04:52am

We actually have something in common with the Taliban...

U.S. reconciliation offer "lunatic": Taliban spokesman

505 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #403 sattv4u2

So there's a chance, as payback for support, the White House orchestrates favorable bamnkruptcy conditions to the unions

Possibly but the article says that the unions are staying with the crappy portion of the company and will have to renegotiate all their contracts.

506 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #496 Nevergiveup

I understand and agree with your sentiment, but shit with it looking bad for Coleman, I'll take any seat right now. I really don't want to end up living in a commie red state.

HA HA Too late!

507 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:06:03am

re: #470 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was a real shame when the Canadians bombed the Baldwins back in 1999.

Blame Canada! Great movie, I wish they'd do another South Park movie.

508 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:06:03am

Crumb donettes, chocolate milk and Western Family chocolate covered peanuts. I'm covered now.

509 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Everyone duck into their giant tackle boxes!

LOL! They're made in Plano, Illinois. This is Plano, Texas. But a friend of mine likes that brand because of the "Plano" name (he's a PSHS grad). The sirens here are the fancy digital kind, that can broadcast voice instructions, like, "Kiss your ass goodbye!".

510 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:06:51am

re: #449 Mithrax

Pick up Abnett's Double Eagle. Good read. His Titanicus wasn't that hot imho.

Titanicus was mind-bogglingly immense in scale. I loved Double Eagle. And I also loved all the Gaunt's Ghost series. I think Necropolis was his finest achievment.

511 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:06:59am

re: #508 father_of_10

Crumb donettes, chocolate milk and Western Family chocolate covered peanuts. I'm covered now.

Wowee!
I hope you live until dinner, at least.

512 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:07:00am

re: #497 Walter L. Newton
Not sure if he ordered it, or if some General ordered it.

Like I said earlier, I'll take a "wait and see" attitude towards this. His track record doesn't inspire my confidence yet.

513 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:07:18am

McCain Seeks Pardon for First Black Heavyweight Champ
Sen. John McCain feels Jack Johnson was wronged by a 1913 conviction of violating the Mann Act by having a consensual relationship with a white woman -- a conviction widely seen as racially motivated.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Yup that was one or two on my list also?

514 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #511 J.D.

Wowee!
I hope you live until dinner, at least.

It was touch and go all morning.

515 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:07:45am

re: #489 essayons7

I suppose, but I just can't pat this guy on the back because of ONE decision. One attack does not a foreign policy make.

But, if this is a sign of things to come, then maybe I can be hopeful. I'll just have to wait and see.

oh i agree that it doesn't make a foreign policy...i'm just giving him credit for the one thing he has done that i agree with.

516 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #512 essayons7

Not sure if he ordered it, or if some General ordered it.

Like I said earlier, I'll take a "wait and see" attitude towards this. His track record doesn't inspire my confidence yet.

Of course he didn't order it. He might have signed off on it.

517 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:17am
518 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:18am

re: #476 phoenixgirl

the pockistahn pronunciation drives me nuts because he is not consistent with the other "stans"

You mean that he says "Afghanistan" and "Kazakhstan" to rhyme with "can" and "man"?

519 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:22am

re: #485 Mithrax

One thing that Cornwell does very very well is research. Very good notes in the back of Azincourt.

Of course, if you want some more good historical fiction, then I recommend Patrick O'Brian.

Tried him - found him a bit turgid.
Preferred Alexander Kent, who also wrote more modern stuff as 'Douglas Reeman'.

520 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:22am

Time for me to head to work. TTYAL

521 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #509 Ward Cleaver

LOL! They're made in Plano, Illinois. This is Plano, Texas. But a friend of mine likes that brand because of the "Plano" name (he's a PSHS grad). The sirens here are the fancy digital kind, that can broadcast voice instructions, like, "Kiss your ass goodbye!".

Huh. I've heard of Plano, Texas & just assumed that they were made there. Never knew there even was a Plano, Ill.

522 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #518 Throbert McGee

yes

523 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #510 ConservatismNow!

Titanicus was mind-bogglingly immense in scale. I loved Double Eagle. And I also loved all the Gaunt's Ghost series. I think Necropolis was his finest achievment.

Pardon the pun about being immense in scale right? they're freaking titans :P

I agree about Necropolis, although Only in Death I thought was good, only because of the guest appearance near the end.

524 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #515 phoenixgirl
I'm with you. I don't mean to be negative, it's just that many of the things he's done up to this point have me feeling a bit put upon.

525 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:57am

re: #252 eon

Which was why I went WTF? when they cast Ben Affleck in The Sum of All Fears.

/Then I actually saw it, and wondered why Clancy didn't sue them for stealing the title of his novel for a totally different and much lousier story.

cheers

eon

Clancy is on record having praised the production and Affleck as both being the closest movie adaptation of any of his books. I still wonder if that was an April Fool's joke or not.

526 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:08:58am

re: #512 essayons7

Not sure if he ordered it, or if some General ordered it.

Like I said earlier, I'll take a "wait and see" attitude towards this. His track record doesn't inspire my confidence yet.

I'm only pointing out that it seems, from his public statement, that he is taking a harder line on this conflict than we would have imagined. That's good, no matter how you look at it.

527 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:09:14am

re: #501 yma o hyd

No effen way!
Napoleon would have wiped the battlefield with him, for starters.
Much as we can loathe that little corporal - he was an extremely gifted soldier and general, way ahead of his time.
There was only one soldier and general before him whom Napoleon really admired - and that was none other than Frederick the Great of Prussia.

So Sherman would have had his work cut out against Napoleon.
And as for beating Wellington ... aww ... nope ...

:-))

Sherman was no big deal in a stand up fight...that's a myth

528 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:09:17am

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell is this mania for apologizing to dead people?

He's getting old and trying to make some friends before having to face St. Peter.

529 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:09:50am
530 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:06am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

Time for me to head to work. TTYAL

TTYAL = ? (ta-ta you all, later?)

531 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:13am

re: #526 Walter L. Newton Agreed! Let's hope he remains consistent.

532 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell is this mania for apologizing to dead people?

Maybe he's afraid he'll meet Jack in the afterlife.

533 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:29am

re: #528 CyanSnowHawk

He's getting old and trying to make some friends before having to face St. Peter.

You really shouldn't assume about destinations?

534 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:36am

re: #447 alegrias
"brave & true to us." indeed. And we abandoned them (and the Nungs - Vietnamese/Chinese ancestry, already looked down upon by the Vietnamese when we got there) to the tender mercies of the Communists.
Best damn jungle fighters there ever were.

535 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:39am
536 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:41am

re: #457 Nevergiveup

Are we talking "A" Queen or "The" Queen? Or the "Popular" Queen?

* * * *
Just so you know, this Queen Elizabeth trained to be a truck mechanic during WWII and survived the blitz bombings.

She and her parents stood their ground, staying in London during the Nazi bombings of Britain. As a child, she visited injured British children in hospital.

This Queen may be an old lady, but she herself has been honorable under fire.

537 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:44am

re: #527 albusteve

Sherman was no big deal in a stand up fight...that's a myth

Thats why we named a crappy tank after him.

538 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:49am

re: #323 father_of_10

And don'cha know, there wont be much of that lawless stuff because we haf lots of lefsa and lutefisk. Yah, you betcha.

539 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:10:51am

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

TTYAL = ? (ta-ta you all, later?)

Try To Yell A Lot

540 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:13am

re: #533 Nevergiveup

You really shouldn't assume about destinations?

He's covering bases. He is a politician after all.

541 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #478 axegrinder

His character in Chuck is a rabid Conservative. Keeps a picture of Reagan on his desk. The show makes fun of him, of course.

The folks over at BigHollywood seem to really like Chuck & Adam's character.

542 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:20am

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

Talk to you all later.

543 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:25am

re: #524 essayons7

I'm with you. I don't mean to be negative, it's just that many of the things he's done up to this point have me feeling a bit put upon.

same here! he's a disaster. i totally understand where you are coming from. i come from there too!

544 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:26am

re: #521 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Huh. I've heard of Plano, Texas & just assumed that they were made there. Never knew there even was a Plano, Ill.

Heh. That's funny. I knew about Plano, Illinois well before I knew about Plano, Texas. Plano, Illinois is rapidly changing from a farming community on the DeKalb/Kendall County line to a Chicago suburb.

545 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:33am

re: #536 alegrias

Yup. I always liked her.

546 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

TTYAL = ? (ta-ta you all, later?)

Talk to ya'll later...IMHO...

547 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:52am

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

I always figured "Pocky-stan" to be someplace where they don't vaccinate for smallpox.

* * * *
Nor are Pakistanis innoculated against Al Qaeda! Especially in the ISI.

548 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #500 gnargtharst

I'm not willing to give 43 a pass on this point either.

Why? GWB had the balls and conviction to send troops into Afghanistan and Iraq. He did not worry about public opinion and ratings. He did what he thought was in the best interests of the US and the Free World. 44 does not have a clue. If it was not for Gates and Petraeus he would have up and run already.

549 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:56am

re: #523 Mithrax

I'm talking about the stories with the ground troops and how easily they are swept away by the titans. Even the Vanquisher company is annihilated. That's great fluff. In game terms, a Vanquisher company would decimate one titan. At least my dice rolls would decimate it. :D

550 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #543 phoenixgirl
I thought you came from Phoenix

:-)

551 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:00am

re: #518 Throbert McGee

You mean that he says "Afghanistan" and "Kazakhstan" to rhyme with "can" and "man"?

I'd be willing to bet that you have tried kielbasa in the can.

552 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:16am

re: #550 essayons7

I thought you came from Phoenix

:-)

lol

553 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:25am

re: #538 Eowyn2

And don'cha know, there wont be much of that lawless stuff because we haf lots of lefsa and lutefisk. Yah, you betcha.

Been there, I see.

554 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #550 essayons7

I thought you came from Phoenix

:-)

So...false advertising all this time, huh?

555 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:48am

re: #542 J.D.

Talk to you all later.

Ha... I like my "ta-ta, you all, later."

556 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:49am

re: #549 ConservatismNow!

I'm talking about the stories with the ground troops and how easily they are swept away by the titans. Even the Vanquisher company is annihilated. That's great fluff. In game terms, a Vanquisher company would decimate one titan. At least my dice rolls would decimate it. :D

My titan would say otherwise :P

557 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:12:51am

re: #502 Kenneth

Gary Sinise's character on CSI:NY is a retired Marine. He has a picture of Reagan on the wall behind his desk. Nobody makes fun of him.

CSI:NY is a serious drama type show. Chuck is a comical parody of the spy/romance genre.

558 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:13:05am

re: #469 Bobibutu
No shit?! When?

559 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:13:23am

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell is this mania for apologizing to dead people?

FREE JOE JACKSON!

560 jcbunga  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:13:41am

Good riddance to bad garbage.

No truth to the rumor that there were 3 Chevy Suburbans parked at the target, for which warranty claims had recently been filed...

561 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:13:50am

re: #556 Mithrax
Which game is this? Just curious - I'm a historical miniatures gamer myself.

562 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:14:36am

re: #527 albusteve

Sherman was no big deal in a stand up fight...that's a myth

Yes, but he could swing around from right to left and leave the opposing army reeling (and I don't mean Virginny reeling) into retreat after retreat.

563 JustABill  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:14:38am

re: #346 Bobibutu

I cannot believe that Obama is dumb enough to attempt to micromanage warfare al la Johnson during Vietnam. If he says he did and Petraeus acknowledges it then I will believe it.

Now, if he called Gen. P and said hey - Gen what do you have ready and are about to drop on these guys? Oh, OK, Do it. That's another matter. i.e., not an original thot.

I think he is trying to create/find shovel ready projects in Pakistan.

564 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:16am

re: #561 essayons7

Warhammer 40,000.

I'm hoping to start Flames of War (wwII one) soon.

565 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #561 essayons7

Which game is this? Just curious - I'm a historical miniatures gamer myself.

Sounds like WarHammer 40k.

566 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #554 J.D.

So...false advertising all this time, huh?

well, i do live in phx literally

567 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:41am

re: #561 essayons7

Which game is this? Just curious - I'm a historical miniatures gamer myself.

Sounds like a Mech War thing...been years since I did any of that...

568 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:46am

re: #552 phoenixgirl

lol

I caught a very bad virus in Phoenix in 1967, lasted two years. Taught me me to avoid drafts...:)

569 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #544 Honorary Yooper

Heh. That's funny. I knew about Plano, Illinois well before I knew about Plano, Texas. Plano, Illinois is rapidly changing from a farming community on the DeKalb/Kendall County line to a Chicago suburb.

Oh wow. Undergoing the same transformation that Plano, Texas did during the '70's, '80s, and '90s. In 1970, Plano's population was 17,000. In 1980, it was 68,000. Today, it's approx. 260,000. It was a cotton farming area before growth came north, from Dallas, through Richardson.

570 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:16:27am

re: #564 Mithrax
I have a huge collection of FOW - mostly unpainted at this point. Best of luck with your collection. Going to Historicon?

571 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #448 Dreader1962

Never underestimate what small teams of Special Operations soldiers can do...

There are plenty of people chomping at the bit to do some damage - they are held back by bureaucrats and politicians.

Trust me on this...

I do and know they can.
It is frustrating to read - just go in there - in where? and how?
Just kill all the Taliban.
Wouldn't I just like that if we could just figure out exactly who is Taliban. The term is too vague.
It is kind of like - kill all the red haired people.
Does brunette count as red? How about Auburn? Sandy Blond?
Which red is really red, and how red must it be to be red?

Anyone writing that by saying this I am condoning any of the strict Muslim law is completely wrong. I am now proud to have one woman on my staff.

on that brilliant, or not so brilliant note, I am off to bed.
Later lizards

572 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #568 Dustyvet

valley fever?

573 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:16:51am
Sherman was no big deal in a stand up fight...that's a myth

re: #561 essayons7

It's sad that we're having a hard time coming up with an American general who can compete with Napoleon and Wellington. Other than Patton? What about General Petraeus? Oooo! I have one! Lt. Gen Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller would definitely give Napoleon a run for his money. Semper Fi!

574 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #566 phoenixgirl

well, i do live in phx literally

otay
:D

575 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:17:09am

re: #558 realwest

No shit?! When?

Don't remember exactly ... '67 ish?

576 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:17:11am

re: #570 essayons7

I have a huge collection of FOW - mostly unpainted at this point. Best of luck with your collection. Going to Historicon?

Dear me no. I like to play, have some fun, but Cons and things are just not my cup of tea.

577 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:17:12am

re: #536 alegrias

* * * *
Just so you know, this Queen Elizabeth trained to be a truck mechanic during WWII and survived the blitz bombings.

She and her parents stood their ground, staying in London during the Nazi bombings of Britain. As a child, she visited injured British children in hospital.

This Queen may be an old lady, but she herself has been honorable under fire.

Thank you!
Yes - King George and Queen Elizabeth and the Princesses were urged many times to flee to Canada or Australia, to save their lives and the Crown in case of an invasion, but they stood their ground and remained in London for the duration.
They also insisted on having the same food rations as everybody else.
Its for this that the British loved the Queen Mum all her life, and its this sense of duty which King George instilled in his daughter which has seen her through some pretty bad times which makes every Brit, even the die-hard republicans, truly revere our Queen.

578 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:17:16am

re: #466 yma o hyd

Thats on my wish-list!

That battle is another one of the Great British classics, and thats where the famous V-sign with the two fingers is said to have originated ...

When I was in Germany in the mid '80's I used to tell my soldiers that the V sign from the Germans meant 2 Marks to the dollar. And when we returned the V sign to them it meant "Beatcha twice"...

579 essayons7  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:18:13am

re: #576 Mithrax
I just go for the dealer's area. I've never actually played, or visited for more than one day. I know what you mean!

580 Tricky Dick  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:18:18am
581 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:18:48am

re: #564 Mithrax

I have about 4000 pts of Catachans, 2000pts of Armored Company, and Missus CN has around a 3000pt Inquisition army.

582 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:19:30am

re: #577 yma o hyd

I recently watched Elizabeth - The Golden Age.

Have you seen it?

It was excellent!

583 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #573 ConservatismNow!

It's sad that we're having a hard time coming up with an American general who can compete with Napoleon and Wellington. Other than Patton? What about General Petraeus? Oooo! I have one! Lt. Gen Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller would definitely give Napoleon a run for his money. Semper Fi!

American have never engaged in those gigantic set piece battles...only on a much smaller scale...Americans excel in a free for all scrap...

584 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #562 Russkilitlover

Yes, but he could swing around from right to left and leave the opposing army reeling (and I don't mean Virginny reeling) into retreat after retreat.

Yeah - but I bet you anything that the opposing army generals didn't know nothing at all about how to do a proper retreat - like Wellington did!

585 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #481 LindaMarie

I missed the "bad people" part of this relpy.

I have flown over these areas - we can't fight in them.
No roads - so no vehicles. Only by air and even then - in areas the landing spots can be miles away.

I think the army is a little lacking in horses now, and they would not last long in places they would have to trek through

Please clarify how they 'would not last long' It seems a bit condescending. If we sent our troops in like the Brits did then it would be a shambles. Remember that our troops were able to retake Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Omaha Beach. Of course, they didnt have one hand tied behind their backs at the time.

I was watching some of the National Archive film from WWII. One British captain explained that after hitting a German town, one of the women cam back to her shell of a house and said to him "how horrible, this was not necessary, it never would have happened if you had just given up 4 years ago."

Shall we give up?

586 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:20:18am

re: #564 Mithrax

Warhammer 40,000.

I'm hoping to start Flames of War (wwII one) soon.

I just started playing Space Marine again myself after quite a few years away from it. Hated 40k.

587 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #513 Nevergiveup
Yeah, but still and all, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) who is a VERY good guy and very conservative feels the same way according to your link. Frankly I think King would have other items in the House that were far more important too, but I do think it's a fair thing to do and it didn't take much of McCain or King's time to do it.

588 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:20:51am

IamaWhore on CNN is so in the tank for 44. She is now supporting the Afgan. war and still attacking the Bush admin. FUCK YOU.

589 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:09am

I'm heading to Tucson this weekend. The same day I got the offer in Tucson the show 48 hours had a murder episode there. Then later I caught an episode of COPS that was in Tucson. Still, it will be better than Drunk Town USA.

590 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #581 ConservatismNow!

I have about 4000 pts of Catachans, 2000pts of Armored Company, and Missus CN has around a 3000pt Inquisition army.

Nice.

I have about 3000 points of Witch Hunters/Sisters, about 5000 points of Guard (Vostroyans mostly). Also a warhound titan, 3 thunderbolts, 1 marauder destroyer.

Guard Codex is out first week of May btw.

591 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:32am

re: #557 axegrinder

CSI:NY is a serious drama type show. Chuck is a comical parody of the spy/romance genre.

* * * *
"Chuck" the NBC series is fantastic, only tv show I watch. For CIA agents, it's great advertising. It's funny and uplifting, not gross at all. Like Gilligan's Island after September 11, it's sober fun.

592 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:33am

re: #573 ConservatismNow!

It's sad that we're having a hard time coming up with an American general who can compete with Napoleon and Wellington. Other than Patton? What about General Petraeus? Oooo! I have one! Lt. Gen Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller would definitely give Napoleon a run for his money. Semper Fi!

America was relatively at peace during most of the time when Europe was at war in the 19th-Century. Outside of the Civil War, there's not a large pool of generals to draw from. Comparing Chesty Puller to Napoleon is comparing apples to oranges - two completely different eras of warfare.

593 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:36am

re: #553 father_of_10

no but both my folks are from there.

594 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #569 Ward Cleaver

Yep, although Plano, Illinois is starting from a smaller base than Plano, Texas. However, the growth is coming WSW through Naperville and Aurora.

595 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:21:53am

re: #475 SasquatchOnSteroids

or Dancing Queen

What about the Killer Queen?

♪♫
He tapped Daschle and Geithner, for his pretty Cabinet;
"Let them eat cake," he said, just like Marie Antoinette...
♪♫

/I only found out a few years ago that "Moët" is pronounced "mo-WET," not "mo-YAY" -- curse you, Freddie Mercury!

596 father_of_10  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:22:37am

re: #593 Eowyn2

no but both my folks are from there.

I won't have to move south to retire.

597 redheadredstate  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

Oh boy, the City of Plano is testing the civil defense sirens (I hear the whooping). It's 12 noon.

Tornado season, my friend. Same here in my part of TX (not that far from you).

598 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #592 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What about Stonewall Jackson or Robert E Lee? both fantastic generals, just lacking in manpower and supplies.

599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:31am

re: #591 alegrias

* * * *
"Chuck" the NBC series is fantastic, only tv show I watch. For CIA agents, it's great advertising. It's funny and uplifting, not gross at all. Like Gilligan's Island after September 11, it's sober fun.

Burn Notice is a cool series. You'd probably like it.

600 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #492 Dreader1962


No I never figured that out. Thought you meant - send in the brigade.
Special Ops can do a lot, but not in an area this large and remote where they are not welcome.
They can only make a small difference - unless we have enough intelligence to find and target the big dogs.
Unlikely just now. The population is too terrified to turn them in.
Course it only takes one. Not sure our operations would go in on the word of one informer, that could be foolish.

601 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:51am

re: #585 Eowyn2

I believe LindaMarie has gone to bed (and I believe LindaMarie is writing from Afghanistan). And the bit about "they wouldn't last long" is in reference to using horses to trek into remote areas...(if one realizes how much water a working horse requires, it's quite true). Mules or donkeys would be a better choice.

602 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:23:53am

re: #573 ConservatismNow!

It's sad that we're having a hard time coming up with an American general who can compete with Napoleon and Wellington. Other than Patton? What about General Petraeus? Oooo! I have one! Lt. Gen Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller would definitely give Napoleon a run for his money. Semper Fi!

Don't know nuthin about that Lt Gen Puller - but I agree that Gen Petraeus would have had the measure of Napoleon, after the first couple of run-ins.

Not so sure about Wellington, but imho, Gen Petraeus looks to be up there with the greats. He is quiet and doesn't blow his own trumpet, but by gawd, doesn't he get things done - and he is giving praise where its due.
Great man.

603 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:24:56am

re: #598 ConservatismNow!

What about Stonewall Jackson or Robert E Lee? both fantastic generals, just lacking in manpower and supplies.

I'd take either of them in a battle against Napoleon.

604 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:24:57am

Afghan soldier’s slaying of 2 sailors stuns base


[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

605 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:25:18am

Cities and States Plan Strange New Taxes on Pretty Much Everything
The government is having a hard time making do with the meager trillions you're throwing their way, so they're pressing some controversial new customs to buy their way out. Here's a look at some of the more egregious new taxes you're sure to be seeing soon.


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

606 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:25:25am

re: #572 phoenixgirl
Nope, Selective Service draft!

607 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #602 yma o hyd

Don't know nuthin about that Lt Gen Puller - but I agree that Gen Petraeus would have had the measure of Napoleon, after the first couple of run-ins.

Not so sure about Wellington, but imho, Gen Petraeus looks to be up there with the greats. He is quiet and doesn't blow his own trumpet, but by gawd, doesn't he get things done - and he is giving praise where its due.
Great man.

He's sure to get a tank named after him - The Petreaus Main Battle Tank does have a certain ring to it!

608 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:26:11am

If we parroted the KOS line on Afghanistan, the lede would read "Obama murders innocent Afghan children." If President Bush still were in office, that'd be what KOS would write. Any such headlines from the left?

I can cheer when the U.S. hits Islamic extremists, but I remain skeptical of Obama's good faith in this. He needs to do just enough to avoid accusations of cutting and running, without really solving the problem. Only time can tell.

609 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:26:14am

re: #599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Burn Notice is a cool series. You'd probably like it.

* * * *
Thank, but Chuck is all the fiction I can handle! I'm a news junkie, FOX NEWs that is.

610 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:26:23am

re: #606 realwest

Nope, Selective Service draft!

And a very nice letter from LBJ...:)

611 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:26:28am

re: #575 Bobibutu
Ah well - you'll be pleased to know the same thing was going on in '70 as well!

612 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #604 Nevergiveup

Afghan soldier’s slaying of 2 sailors stuns base

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Awful.

My brother never left the airbase while he was in Afghanistan.
Only when it was time for him to leave.

613 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:20am

re: #598 ConservatismNow!

What about Stonewall Jackson or Robert E Lee? both fantastic generals, just lacking in manpower and supplies.

Lee cleaned up against some pretty inept opponents...jus sayin

614 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:23am

re: #537 JohnnyReb

Thats why we named a crappy tank after him.

Must have been a Southerner who named the tank that burns easily after Sherman, who burned large parts of the South.
(In WWII, the Germans called them tommycookers; the Americans, Ronsons, after the lighter that "lights first time, every time".

615 mattm  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:24am

OT

The Messiah has presided over approx. 700K job losses in March! Change!

616 phoenixgirl  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #606 realwest

was thinking a long those lines but never had heard that particular turn of phrase.
hey, i learned something! they were all wrong! i can be taught! /

{real} how are you doing btw?

617 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #601 J.S.

I believe LindaMarie has gone to bed (and I believe LindaMarie is writing from Afghanistan). And the bit about "they wouldn't last long" is in reference to using horses to trek into remote areas...(if one realizes how much water a working horse requires, it's quite true). Mules or donkeys would be a better choice.

* * * *
Mountain goats would be best! Llamas too from the High Inca pastures.
Hat's off to Linda Marie in Afghanistan.

618 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #612 J.D.

Awful.

My brother never left the airbase while he was in Afghanistan.
Only when it was time for him to leave.

Sad picture of LT. Choe with her family. Her husband is LCDR.

619 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:28:22am

re: #578 LGoPs

When I was in Germany in the mid '80's I used to tell my soldiers that the V sign from the Germans meant 2 Marks to the dollar. And when we returned the V sign to them it meant "Beatcha twice"...

Aww!
See - there is a fine but important difference to the V-sign.
Used like Churchill did, with the palm of the hand and the other figners facing away from one and to the other, it means 'Victory'!

When the back of the hand is turned towards the adressee, and the palm of the hand and the other fingers towards oneself - ahem, it is a verrryy rude sign, not to be used in polite society - and when used in impolite society, better make sure of an exit before you use that sign!
(Or prepare for battle!)

620 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #571 LindaMarie

I do and know they can.
It is frustrating to read - just go in there - in where? and how?
Just kill all the Taliban.
Wouldn't I just like that if we could just figure out exactly who is Taliban. The term is too vague.
It is kind of like - kill all the red haired people.
Does brunette count as red? How about Auburn? Sandy Blond?
Which red is really red, and how red must it be to be red?

This kind of simplification is frustrating. I really don't understand your hair color reference - you are advocating targeting from the air. How are these targets determined?

Obviously if we can target them from the air we 'know' what we are intending to target. It is actually more likely that you will get the 'right' people in the crosshairs when you go in from the ground rather than 'plinking' constantly from the air.

I just don't get your stubborn rejection of this point - if you read my original post, it was under the auspices of intending to dismantle these groups. You aren't seriously contending that we can do this solely from Predator strikes, are you?

621 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:29:06am

Bill would reimburse reservists for travel
The Associated Press
Posted : Wednesday Apr 1, 2009 8:27:14 EDT
Sen. Ben Nelson has introduced legislation allowing new travel reimbursements for National Guard and Reserve members.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Sounds good to me.

622 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:29:47am

re: #582 J.D.

I recently watched Elizabeth - The Golden Age.

Have you seen it?

It was excellent!

No - I've been severly restricting my time watching movies or TV, due to eye trouble.

623 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #615 mattm

OT

The Messiah has presided over approx. 700K job losses in March! Change!

But he's saved the job of everyone who hasn't been fired, and that's the majority of the country!
/

624 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:30:08am

re: #619 yma o hyd

IIRC, the rude 1 means P*ss Off, right?

625 CIA Reject  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #614 Kosh's Shadow

Must have been a Southerner who named the tank that burns easily after Sherman, who burned large parts of the South.
(In WWII, the Germans called them tommycookers; the Americans, Ronsons, after the lighter that "lights first time, every time".

I saw an interview with a German army veteran who was discussing the Sherman- he said: "... it was not a very good tank, we could easily destroy them two at a time. The problem was that there was always a third ..."

626 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:30:11am

re: #551 VegasRick

I'd be willing to bet that you have tried kielbasa in the can.

Heh. Tried it, do not like it, wouldn't recommend it, believe in discouraging it.

627 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:31:16am

re: #613 albusteve

Lee cleaned up against some pretty inept opponents...jus sayin

How dare you insult the competence of Generals Burnside & Hooker!?!
///

628 J.D.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #622 yma o hyd

No - I've been severly restricting my time watching movies or TV, due to eye trouble.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
I didn't know.

629 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:31:22am

re: #602 yma o hyd

One of the greatest generals in US History

Chesty was the general in charge of the 1st Marine Division in Korea.
Memorable Chesty quotes:
"We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them."
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower for the first time)
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time."

630 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:31:59am

re: #625 CIA Reject

I saw an interview with a German army veteran who was discussing the Sherman- he said: "... it was not a very good tank, we could easily destroy them two at a time. The problem was that there was always a third ..."

the Sherman was never meant to fight toe to toe against German armor...and after they put a 75 on it it could kill almost anything

631 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:00am

re: #614 Kosh's Shadow

Must have been a Southerner who named the tank that burns easily after Sherman, who burned large parts of the South.
(In WWII, the Germans called them tommycookers; the Americans, Ronsons, after the lighter that "lights first time, every time".

IIRC, it was called the Sherman because it was FAST. Unfortunately, that meant lighter, less armor...:>((

632 alegrias  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:05am

Wow, the Obamas tower over her tiny Majesty! Queen Elizabeth has met 11 presidents in her lifetime.

(While animals run in the streets of England, like the running of the bulls in Pamplona)

633 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #608 quickjustice

If we parroted the KOS line on Afghanistan, the lede would read "Obama murders innocent Afghan children." If President Bush still were in office, that'd be what KOS would write. Any such headlines from the left?

I can cheer when the U.S. hits Islamic extremists, but I remain skeptical of Obama's good faith in this. He needs to do just enough to avoid accusations of cutting and running, without really solving the problem. Only time can tell.

However, since this is April Fools Day, the headline should read: Afghan Taliban and Al Qaeda die of laughter or Hellfire Missiles, but mostly Hellfire Missiles.

634 A.W.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:13am

Mmm, to paraphrase George Bush, I don't want to just shoot a missile up a camel's ass. And i am not sure Obama is doing more.

But when he tries to kill terrorists, I hope he doesn't fail. :-)

635 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:15am

re: #607 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's sure to get a tank named after him - The Petreaus Main Battle Tank does have a certain ring to it!

Gotta have stealth features, that tank!

636 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #523 Mithrax

Pardon the pun about being immense in scale right? they're freaking titans :P

I agree about Necropolis, although Only in Death I thought was good, only because of the guest appearance near the end.

Necropolis was the best part of the series, though I did like Sabbat Martyrs since it brought Gol Kolea back as a functioning character.

637 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #627 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How dare you insult the competence of Generals Burnside & Hooker!?!
///

sounds like Vaudville

638 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:32:47am

re: #622 yma o hyd

No - I've been severly restricting my time watching movies or TV, due to eye trouble.

Oh {yma}...I'm so sorry to hear that. Hope the trouble eases soon.

639 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:33:37am

re: #629 ConservatismNow!

One of the greatest generals in US History

Chesty was the general in charge of the 1st Marine Division in Korea.
Memorable Chesty quotes:
"We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them."
"Where do you put the bayonet?" (upon seeing a flamethrower for the first time)
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time."

Puller was one bad ass fighting machine and his troops adored him

640 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:34:23am

Ahh, the Taliban got a Saddam Hussein Candy Gram...sweet!

641 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:34:41am

re: #616 phoenixgirl
Hey there! I'm doing ok, just a tad tired after being up so late writing to various congresscritters! How are you doing? Well I hope!

642 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #619 yma o hyd

Aww!
See - there is a fine but important difference to the V-sign.
Used like Churchill did, with the palm of the hand and the other figners facing away from one and to the other, it means 'Victory'!

When the back of the hand is turned towards the adressee, and the palm of the hand and the other fingers towards oneself - ahem, it is a verrryy rude sign, not to be used in polite society - and when used in impolite society, better make sure of an exit before you use that sign!
(Or prepare for battle!)

What does it mean?

643 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:35:39am

re: #614 Kosh's Shadow

Must have been a Southerner who named the tank that burns easily after Sherman, who burned large parts of the South.
(In WWII, the Germans called them tommycookers; the Americans, Ronsons, after the lighter that "lights first time, every time".

And we gave all of the diesel engine ones that didn't burn to our Allies and only kept the gasoline engine ones for our troops.

Oh and how did that short 75mm gun work out for us? Even when we had a very nice 76mm high velocity gun all rip raring and ready to go before D-day. Even the Brits figured it out before then and had at least one firefly in each troop on D-day.

Sometimes we can be very very stupid.

644 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:35:52am

re: #590 Mithrax

Nice.

I have about 3000 points of Witch Hunters/Sisters, about 5000 points of Guard (Vostroyans mostly). Also a warhound titan, 3 thunderbolts, 1 marauder destroyer.

Guard Codex is out first week of May btw.

NOOO! I just got my Cadian force complete and now they're gonna chage it on me again! My SM and NL are still recovering from the last 2 codexs.

645 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #613 albusteve

No doubt Napoleon was a brilliant general. He was fighting for himself, however, and was bloodthirsty in his willingness to sacrifice his men for his own glory. Just visit Les Halles des Invalides in Paris, which includes Napoleon's tomb, to get a sense of this.

Robert E. Lee was a brilliant general, with brilliant associates on the Southern side. Nathan Bedford Forrest's brilliant hit and run cavalry campaigns were models studied by Rommel and the German general staff. Jeb Stuart was no slouch, and Stonewall Jackson was astonishing.

On the Union side, if you read Grant's autobiography, you're amazed by the sheer genius and clarity of his military mind. Sherman and Sheridan both deserve honorable mention. And George Thomas, a Virginian who served the Union, is a personal favorite of mine for his stand at Chickamauga Creek, and later at Chattanooga.

646 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:36:05am

re: #619 yma o hyd

When the back of the hand is turned towards the adressee, and the palm of the hand and the other fingers towards oneself - ahem, it is a verrryy rude sign, not to be used in polite society

In the UK, maybe. In the US, it doesn't mean anything, except perhaps "Would someone please put a cigarette between my fingers?"

/or maybe "Little Bunny Foo-Foo is hopping away from you..."

647 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:36:08am
648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #630 albusteve

the Sherman was never meant to fight toe to toe against German armor...and after they put a 75 on it it could kill almost anything


The Sherman was a very versitile design, lending itself to many variants & conversions. Israel was even using Super Shermans as recently as the Yom Kippur War.

649 CIA Reject  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #630 albusteve

the Sherman was never meant to fight toe to toe against German armor...and after they put a 75 on it it could kill almost anything

And it was produced in very large numbers.

650 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:37:23am

re: #644 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

NOOO! I just got my Cadian force complete and now they're gonna chage it on me again! My SM and NL are still recovering from the last 2 codexs.

Plastic Cadian HQ kit.

Plastic Valkyries.

Most people are pretty pleased with it.

Ogryns still suck however :P

651 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:37:29am

John Galt goes Code Pink...
Taxpayers Kicked Out Of Capitol During Tax Debate- Iowa

The Tea Party is becoming increasingly embarrassing.

652 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #642 MandyManners

What does it mean?

I have heard it is the Brit equivalent of the American Finger.

653 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:38:02am

re: #630 albusteve

The Sherman was an inferior tank. Period. It was just produced in such massive quantities that sheer numbers overwhelmed German armor later in the war. The tank simply was underarmored and undergunned. What it did have going for it was the ease of repair, so that when it did suffer mechanical trouble, repair was easy. The German tanks were anything but easy to fix; they required complex parts and the engineering was not designed for ease of field repair.

I'd say that the T-34 was the class of the field in WWII based on the combination of armor, armament, and ability to field large numbers and fend off the German armor all while being fairly easy to maintain in the field.

654 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:38:26am

re: #624 Pietr

IIRC, the rude 1 means P*ss Off, right?

Thats quite genteel ...

Feck off, you *** is more like it .

655 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:39:27am

re: #645 quickjustice

No doubt Napoleon was a brilliant general. He was fighting for himself, however, and was bloodthirsty in his willingness to sacrifice his men for his own glory. Just visit Les Halles des Invalides in Paris, which includes Napoleon's tomb, to get a sense of this.

Robert E. Lee was a brilliant general, with brilliant associates on the Southern side. Nathan Bedford Forrest's brilliant hit and run cavalry campaigns were models studied by Rommel and the German general staff. Jeb Stuart was no slouch, and Stonewall Jackson was astonishing.

On the Union side, if you read Grant's autobiography, you're amazed by the sheer genius and clarity of his military mind. Sherman and Sheridan both deserve honorable mention. And George Thomas, a Virginian who served the Union, is a personal favorite of mine for his stand at Chickamauga Creek, and later at Chattanooga.

yes...but the original question had to do with Napolianic war tactics with regard to Wellington...Grant may be comparable

656 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #650 Mithrax

Plastic Cadian HQ kit.

Plastic Valkyries.

Most people are pretty pleased with it.

Ogryns still suck however :P

Taking this to the open thread, I'm just hoping they dont kill my stormtrooper/grenadiers

657 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:39:54am

re: #628 J.D.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
I didn't know.

'S ok - don't worry - there are worse things.
And anyway, there are lots of books to read!

658 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #619 yma o hyd

Aww!
See - there is a fine but important difference to the V-sign.
Used like Churchill did, with the palm of the hand and the other figners facing away from one and to the other, it means 'Victory'!

When the back of the hand is turned towards the adressee, and the palm of the hand and the other fingers towards oneself - ahem, it is a verrryy rude sign, not to be used in polite society - and when used in impolite society, better make sure of an exit before you use that sign!
(Or prepare for battle!)

And it was demonstrated in all its glory by Spike the vampire at the start of Buffy The Vampire Slayer for many years.

659 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:40:20am
660 realwest  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:40:52am

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta go eat some lunch now and do some chores!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

661 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #651 Killgore Trout

I missed you on the last thread. How many of these protests have you attended?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you aren't slamming the Tea Parties in order to undermine them. If all of your information thus far has come from the Web, then I'll have to refer you to the First Rule of the Internet: It Lies.

662 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:41:35am
663 hellosnackbar  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:42:06am

Looks like these predator drones are giving real meaning to the old adage that:You can run but you can't hide.
High explosive as a prophylactic;that really is sauce for the gander.

664 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #653 lawhawk

The Sherman was an inferior tank. Period. It was just produced in such massive quantities that sheer numbers overwhelmed German armor later in the war. The tank simply was underarmored and undergunned. What it did have going for it was the ease of repair, so that when it did suffer mechanical trouble, repair was easy. The German tanks were anything but easy to fix; they required complex parts and the engineering was not designed for ease of field repair.

I'd say that the T-34 was the class of the field in WWII based on the combination of armor, armament, and ability to field large numbers and fend off the German armor all while being fairly easy to maintain in the field.

I made no comparison to other tanks...the Sherman is what it is...the whole concept involved swarming an opponent or blasting a fixed target

665 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:42:15am

re: #638 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh {yma}...I'm so sorry to hear that. Hope the trouble eases soon.

Thanks, {scotti} - seeing the doctor again in three weeks time, fingers crossed ...

666 LindaMarie  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #585 Eowyn2

Please clarify how they 'would not last long' It seems a bit condescending. If we sent our troops in like the Brits did then it would be a shambles. Remember that our troops were able to retake Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Omaha Beach. Of course, they didnt have one hand tied behind their backs at the time.

I was watching some of the National Archive film from WWII. One British captain explained that after hitting a German town, one of the women cam back to her shell of a house and said to him "how horrible, this was not necessary, it never would have happened if you had just given up 4 years ago."

Shall we give up?

I meant the horses, the men maybe a day or more than the horses.
Have you seen this part of the world?
It is not Europe. Not Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Omaha Beach.
No water for miles, huge mountains, no grass no game to shoot - no trees.

Rocks and mountains and rocks. The goats die without a shepard to lead them. And a few little villages clinging to life in the few places where there is snow melt.
It is not the same.
Those that don't learn from history are condemed to repeat it.
Ask the Russians.
Should we leave? No. We can maybe be effective in Afghanistan with gound troops, we have built a lot of roads.
Not in the border area with Pakistan - no roads, Nada, none.
That is why it is so effective to attack the Kyber Pass. There is no other pass in the North. Nada, none.
Go google it.
This is not WWI or WWII, this is a new war in new places with new players.

667 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #655 albusteve

If I'm not mistaken, the line formations and battlefield tactics used by both Union and Confederate armies originated in the Napoleonic Wars. And of course, the senior commanders of both armies had fought together, and came to know each other, during the Mexican War.

That doubled the tragedy of the Civil War. It was brother against brother in the most literal way.

668 Bobibutu  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #611 realwest

Ah well - you'll be pleased to know the same thing was going on in '70 as well!

Yes - I was there from 66-70 ... (Igloo White).

669 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #642 MandyManners

What does it mean?

Ahem.
Blushing now ...

'Feck off, you blydi ***!'
Or, more genteely, 'Up yours, arsehole'.

(Sorry for lowering the tone ...)

670 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:44:47am
671 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:44:51am

re: #653 lawhawk

I've always been amused by the Russian KV-VI experiment. They were going for a 'land battleship' and it was a horrible mess. It had 3 turrets and a horrible turning radius and was immensely heavy.

This is a clip from it's history:

Operational History
The first prototype was completed in December 1941 and was rushed into the defense of Moscow. In its first action during a dense winter fog, the rear turret accidentally fired into the center turret. The resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle.

672 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #655 albusteve

Grant was a tactically dull general. Napoleon and Wellington would tear him up.

673 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:45:22am

re: #667 quickjustice

If I'm not mistaken, the line formations and battlefield tactics used by both Union and Confederate armies originated in the Napoleonic Wars.

Napoleonic tactics from 50 years earlier combined with then state-of-the-art weaponry lead in great part to the massive casualties of The Civil War.

674 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #667 quickjustice

If I'm not mistaken, the line formations and battlefield tactics used by both Union and Confederate armies originated in the Napoleonic Wars. And of course, the senior commanders of both armies had fought together, and came to know each other, during the Mexican War.

That doubled the tragedy of the Civil War. It was brother against brother in the most literal way.

right...Grant may have challenged Wellingtons brilliance

675 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:45:51am

re: #653 lawhawk

The Sherman was meant to be light cavalry, not a Main Battle tank that went head to head with Panzers. But, like the 'Light Brigade', they were often misused...

676 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:45:58am

re: #646 Throbert McGee

In the UK, maybe. In the US, it doesn't mean anything, except perhaps "Would someone please put a cigarette between my fingers?"

/or maybe "Little Bunny Foo-Foo is hopping away from you..."

See - heed my warning and don't ask for a cigarette in that manner when visitng the UK!

677 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:46:13am

re: #671 Dreader1962

I've always been amused by the Russian KV-VI experiment. They were going for a 'land battleship' and it was a horrible mess. It had 3 turrets and a horrible turning radius and was immensely heavy.

This is a clip from it's history:

Operational History
The first prototype was completed in December 1941 and was rushed into the defense of Moscow. In its first action during a dense winter fog, the rear turret accidentally fired into the center turret. The resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle.

It sounds like an armored train, but without the tracks.

678 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:46:41am

re: #662 Kenneth

What is the hell is the point of these pointless protests by pointless protesters?

Alls I can say is rubber bullets, fire hoses and tear gas. These people were made for it.

679 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:47:00am

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

At the beginning of the excellent film I'm All Right, Jack, one of the celebrants on VE day, just before the credits, starts out with the V-for-Victory sign and then inverts it towards the audience.

There ye go - how better to demonstrate the different uses of that famous hand sign!

680 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:47:19am

All this talk of tanks has inspired me to go to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum this summer before they move to Virginia.

681 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:47:36am

re: #666 LindaMarie

I heard a retired brigadier describe the Afghanistan war as not an insurgency, but a war between states. One state is the UN recognized state of Afghanistan and the other state is the medieval state of Pashtunistan. The two state overlap in geography but are centuries apart in time.

Sounds accurate.

682 Raven1  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:47:54am

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Or once.

683 Pietr  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:48:42am

Shucks, new thread--->

684 yma o hyd  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #652 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have heard it is the Brit equivalent of the American Finger.

Oh, we do have that one finger sign as well, which means, translated, 'swivel on that, matey!'

Also not used in the Queen's drawing rooms ...

685 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #672 ConservatismNow!

Grant was a tactically dull general. Napoleon and Wellington would tear him up.

I'm not conceding that...but the question stands...those guys had years of experince moving their massive armies around and I doubt anyone in America would compare...

686 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #671 Dreader1962

That's one crazy ass looking tank!

687 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:50:44am

re: #680 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

All this talk of tanks has inspired me to go to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum this summer before they move to Virginia.

tanks are cool..like planes and ships etc...me like

688 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:50:57am

re: #672 ConservatismNow!

Grant was tactically dull, but strategically brilliant. As Lincoln said after hearing complaints about Grant's alleged alcoholism: "I can't spare that man. He fights." Look at the Shiloh battlefield, where Grant's army was trapped after the first day with its back to the river. He had the stubborn persistence and will to win. He was, in fact, a formidable opponent, and a great general.

689 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:51:11am

re: #677 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What's funny is that it didn't even occur to them to put limiters on the 'lower' turrets to prevent the traverse into the hull. they should have 'masked' the field of fire.

This was a design that was pushed by Stalin and fortunately he didn't meddle as much as Hitler did with his military. The T-34 was an excellent tank, and they upgraded the main gun to 85mm by the end of the war and increased the number of radio-equipped tanks.

I'm reading a history of WWII and it's incredible to read of the production numbers in terms of planes, ships, tanks, trucks and so forth. What is also telling is that the Roosevelt administration had to work with the industrialists after demonizing throughout his earlier administration. Again, Roosevelt was a war leader that knew when to back away and get things done.

690 albusteve  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:51:30am

re: #686 Kenneth

That's one crazy ass looking tank!

nice profile...BOOM!

691 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:55:20am

re: #654 yma o hyd

Thats quite genteel ...

Feck off, you *** is more like it .

The V-sign is usually assumed to represent two legs up in the air -- i.e., it's meant to suggest that the other person "go get fucked." (In contrast to the American middle finger, which represents the phallus that's going to do the fucking.)

In some countries -- Russia, for example -- the equivalent "go get fucked" sign consists of a fist with the thumb sticking out between the index and middle fingers (or between the middle and ring fingers). Here, the thumb represents the penetrating phallus, and the two fingers stand for the buttocks. This gesture is often referred to as a "fig" in whatever the local language is.

692 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:55:26am

re: #619 yma o hyd

Aww!
See - there is a fine but important difference to the V-sign.
Used like Churchill did, with the palm of the hand and the other figners facing away from one and to the other, it means 'Victory'!

When the back of the hand is turned towards the adressee, and the palm of the hand and the other fingers towards oneself - ahem, it is a verrryy rude sign, not to be used in polite society - and when used in impolite society, better make sure of an exit before you use that sign!
(Or prepare for battle!)

Ha! The same in Japan. I had forgotten that when ordering two more beers in a restaurant while sitting a distance from our waiter. I held up a bottle with my left hand, pointed to it and then held up the reverse victory sign with my right hand. I couldn't figure out why the gaggle of waiters busted a gut laughing. I realized my error and apologized profusely as he delivered two beers to our table on the house. Basically I had ordered two fresh brews AND told him to go F himself all in one fell swoop.

693 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:57:21am

re: #654 yma o hyd

Thats quite genteel ...

Feck off, you *** is more like it .

We use 'Toss off, luv!'.

694 mad mullah  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 10:58:45am

This isn't the first drone attack since Obama has taken office. The continued drone attacks against the Taliban is about the only thing that Obama has done so far that I don't have a big problem with. I have no problems at all with wiping the Taliban out completely, 12 is a just a tiny drop in the bucket. But I also believe that the Taliban might be the least of our problems, compared to the domestic assault on the US by an administration that seems far too eager to bankrupt this country and change it's values for the worse.

Meanwhile in Afghanistan, according to the telegraph UK, Hamid Karzai signs law 'legalising rape in marriage'.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

695 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:01:56am

I love it. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "can you hear me now".

696 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:09:02am

re: #632 alegrias

Wow, the Obamas tower over her tiny Majesty! Queen Elizabeth has met 11 presidents in her lifetime.

(While animals run in the streets of England, like the running of the bulls in Pamplona)

Did the Queen have to go up on tiptoes to do the fist-bump and high-fives?

697 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:12:19am

Message to Obama:

We can't use the drones unless we own the skies,

And if we don't have maned air superiority, we won't own the skies,

so it is NOT a good idea to cut the funding for manned aircraft.

(just so you will get the big picture, something I think you are not good at.)

698 TheBad  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:12:35am

Curiously absent from the article linked:

*Mention of strained relations as a result of the strike.
*Mention of women and children killed or injured during the strike.
*Mention of the populist opposition to US operations in the region.
*Mention of people taking to the streets chanting "Death to America"
*Mention of foreign leaders warning Obama that these strikes will adversely affect global cooperation in the war on terror - er - global contingency something
*Mention of foreign leaders urges to cancel visits to the White House

While you seem to be inclined to commend the President for doing his job, this posting might have been better suited impugning the integrity of a media complex which sharply condemned the same acts under President Bush.

699 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #696 debutaunt

omg...there can be no "touching" of The Queen. (I recall once just such a breach of protocol -- some Canadian Prime Minister slightly touched the queen on the shoulder, as they were walking over an icy street, iirc, it was as if the Prime Minister wanted to make sure she didn't slip or fall -- yeah, but it was a big no-no -- huge furor back in Britain -- the outrage was incredible.)

700 gnargtharst  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:20:47am

re: #548 Erik The Red

"GWB had the balls and conviction to send troops into Afghanistan and Iraq. He did not worry about public opinion and ratings."

He *precisely* worried about public opinion and ratings. He groveled to the UN umpteen times before invading Iraq. He dropped care packages to the Taliban. He invited Iran to assist in the "war on terrorism", while the WTC was still smoldering, and then wrung his hands while they proceeded to build atomic bombs.

Considering that the US military is the most powerful fighting force in the history of humanity, while our medieval enemies' most advanced technology consists of strapping a suicide bomb on their infant children, the "War on Terrorim" should have been a distant memory by New Years 2002.

Alas, our leaders did not (and do not) possess sufficient moral righteousness to defend western civilization from dark ages religious fanaticism.

"...He did what he thought was in the best interests of the US and the Free World."

Perhaps. I give him credit for "The Surge". But one successful tactic is not enough. The best interests of the US and the rest of the world is freedom. Including, if necessary, imposing it on thoroughly conquered enemies, like US did to Japan after WWII. (To this day, I do not fear nuclear terrorist attacks from Japan).

"... 44 does not have a clue."

On that point, I cannot disagree with you.

701 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:32:47am

re: #699 J.S.

omg...there can be no "touching" of The Queen. (I recall once just such a breach of protocol -- some Canadian Prime Minister slightly touched the queen on the shoulder... huge furor back in Britain -- the outrage was incredible.)

Of course they were outraged! If I'd been waiting six bloody months to get my scrofula treated through the National 'Elf, and some upstart colonial thinks he can jump to the head of the queue just because he's a PM, I'd be outraged, too!

702 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:37:38am

re: #699 J.S.

omg...there can be no "touching" of The Queen. (I recall once just such a breach of protocol -- some Canadian Prime Minister slightly touched the queen on the shoulder, as they were walking over an icy street, iirc, it was as if the Prime Minister wanted to make sure she didn't slip or fall -- yeah, but it was a big no-no -- huge furor back in Britain -- the outrage was incredible.)

With the Obama duo, you never know which protocols they will ignore next.

703 J.S.  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:39:04am

re: #701 Throbert McGee

lol. wow is all I can say...thanks for that link! (and those pictures!)

704 Dreader1962  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:39:38am

re: #690 albusteve

April Fools - the KV-VI is not real (the model that is shown is an amalgam of plastic model parts).

However, there was something close - the T-35. It had a horrible record (although it didn't shoot itself).

Here's a link to the 'real' land battleship that saw limited action:

T-35 Tank...

705 restitutor orbis  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:44:47am

Isn't this the guy who was wringing his hands about our military "air-raiding civilians" or some such thing a few months ago

So its ok to undermine the war effort, as long as it's not "your" war...what a peice of shit.
Glad he's still doing it, but the hypocracy is astounding.

706 azul93gt  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:05:36pm

Yeah... Everybody onboard the Obama train!

No thanks, This is just more of the Bill Clinton aspirin factory bombing. Only Obama got lucky and actually killed some terrorist. He has already stated that ground attacks are off the table, and these air strikes have inherent limitations.

707 lawrior  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:58:20pm

Any word on how many of these 25 were innocent women & children? Or, have our targeting systems been upgraded since 1/20/9 to no longer harm them?

708 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 5:51:21pm

Just going on record to say Damn Straight on the Taliban killing.. Good job everyone.
Except the Taliban; You Morons.

709 swamprat  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 6:15:17pm

This is the change I've been hoping for. I knew there was a bit of Chicago politician there.

Go 'Bama!

Now do the economy with the same verve and elan.

710 odorlesspaintthinner  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:20:45am

Historically, the way to control the region is through strategic alliances with powerful tribes. During the "Great Game" and other periods of imperial influence- whether by the evil Western powers or the magnanimous Ottoman empire- control was effected through various political manipulations. It was effective because tribal societies have several weaknesses: they depend on blood loyalties; they are highly internally competitive; they have limited central influence across wide geographical areas; they are susceptible to irrational alliances for perceived self-interests (the enemy of my enemy is my friend and other examples of short-sighted game theory). Our problem in the West is we have made up our minds that we are evil manipulators, that it's somehow on some level okay for Saddam Hussein or Nasser because they're natives and we're interlopers. It's stupid, really, for us to give up the one weapon that has served us well over the centuries, our friggin' BRAINS. The West triumphed around the world because we played chess against the checker players, but now we're convincing ourselves out of misplaced guilt that chess is evil and checkers is good, right, true, homegrown, native and green. Bush had it right, he talked about spreading democracy and liberty, that was a good offense, it stressed what's good and right about our way of life. Obama's strategy is to absorb, to bring the world under the glow of his popularity, to be on tv, travel the world, always be talking, always be seen, but it's ego-driven, there's no philosophy there, nothing for people to take and make their own, except the hand-outs.


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