Palestinian Terrorist Attacks Two Children with Axe

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This morning in the Israeli town of Bat Ayin, an Arab terrorist attacked two young boys with an axe, killing one and wounding another, then escaped. Soccer Dad has a report: Terror in bat ayin.

Also see
The Muqata: Newsflash; Terror attack in Gush Etzion The Day in Israel: Thurs Apr 2nd, 2009 | Israellycool Israel Matzav: Breaking: Terror attack in Bat Ayin in Gush Etzion treppenwitz: This Year Near Jerusalem … Elder of Ziyon: Brave Palestinian Arab axes Jewish boy to death

UPDATE at 4/2/09 9:40:37 am:

Hamas applauds the axe murderer.

“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said. “This is a reaction to the continuing occupation and the continued building of settlements.”

“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

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318 comments
1 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:26:50am

How brave. /

2 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:26:55am

Unbelievably horrible.

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:27:30am

I hope this mother fucker dies horribly and rots in hell.

4 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:27:59am

The poor man is just filled with despair. He just needs a hug.//

I, on the other hand, am filled with sick-of-this-shit.

5 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:28:10am

This is terrible beyond compare, but kudos to the man who took the axe away.

6 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:28:18am

manhunt...he is already dead

7 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:28:44am
8 MarkX  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:28:49am

Do they allow CC in Israel?

9 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:29:08am
10 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:29:24am

re: #8 MarkX

Do they allow CC in Israel?


cc?

11 MarkX  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:29:32am

re: #3 Sharmuta

I hope this mother fucker dies horribly slow and rots in hell.

Fixed it.

12 Wasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:29:40am

What a bunch of AXE-Holes!

13 John  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:29:48am

Perhaps Barry will bring this up at the UN Human Rights Council.

14 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:01am

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

"Palestinian" and "merit" can't be used in the same sentence, can they?

15 MarkX  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:14am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

cc?

Concealed Carry... I thought Israeli citizens could carry.

16 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:17am

Obama: Let's sit down and talk with the terrorist, try to understand his grievances, and maybe give him some money so he can live a contemplative life...

17 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:28am

re: #13 John

Perhaps Barry will bring this up at the UN Human Rights Council.

... where Syria will table it.

18 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:30am

re: #12 Wasta

Wrong thread for puns maybe?

19 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:50am

re: #15 MarkX

Concealed Carry... I thought Israeli citizens could carry.

Yes but these were Little kids that were attacked

20 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:30:56am
21 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:08am

re: #1 rawmuse

There was one person who was brave. It was the Israeli onlooker who took on the attacker and attempted to disarm and capture him. He saw the lustful look to kill in the eyes of the murderous bastard who attacked two defenseless kids.

22 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:08am

The NYT headline on this story read that an "attacker" did this. spit

23 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:09am

So when does the PA name a building after this terrorist ax murderer? And put him on TV? They won't give him a parade because the Israelis would take out his car.

From an earlier post of mine:
If I were Netanyahu, I would make public announcements that no further talks will be held until the Palis turn over the ax murderer to Israel.
Any "authorities" that give him any awards will not be allowed in any Pali government or in peace talks. Any buildings named after him will be bombed.
And I would reply to all pressure to accept a Palestinian state with a remark that "We will be glad to make peace with Palestinians who recognize our right to exist, but we will NOT accept an entity which honors those who ax murder children."

24 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:20am

Hamas called this natural? what the hell is that?

25 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:55am

a 20yr old out to earn his cred...reminds me of the Spartans...his reward is probably a shiny AK and a box of ammo

26 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:57am

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

I guess the Palestinian Boy Scouts don't have an "axe safety" merit badge.

No, but they have several in Jooo hate.

27 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:31:59am

re: #24 opnion

Natural evil.

28 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

Sad. Just all so sad ....

Chastisement is too nice a word, too. :-(

29 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:32:15am

Whats the "Proportionate Response" to this?

30 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:32:36am
31 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:01am

re: #17 CIA Reject

... where Syria will table it revise it to blame Israel for bloodying a Palestinian ax, and that is the version the council will approve.

FTFY

32 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:11am
33 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:12am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats the "Proportionate Response" to this?

Me, I'd take out Iran's Nukes but that's just me.

34 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:16am

can we call this asshole a terrorist monster?
or is he just a target of the overseas contingency operation.

35 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:33am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats the "Proportionate Response" to this?

a long trial and a short stay behind bars, til a swap is worked out....

36 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:39am
37 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:39am

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

Indeed

38 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:43am

Any word on whether the O has figured out that there are no "moderate" terrorists?

39 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:47am
40 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:33:50am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats the "Proportionate Response" to this?

I'd be deleted for saying it.

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:34:12am

Sorry- that was the nicest thing I have to say about this matter.

I pray for the parents. May God comfort them.

42 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:34:38am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

I'd be deleted for saying it.

I'd be surprised if this guy is taken alive after he killed a child.

43 whiterasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:34:52am

Has the BBC mentioned these children were "Settlers" yet?

44 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:10am
45 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:19am

re: #42 Nevergiveup

I'd be surprised if this guy is taken alive after he killed a child.

someone already took a pot at him...

46 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:24am

re: #3 Sharmuta

I hope this mother fucker dies horribly and rots in hell.

He undoubtedly will. Not that that is any comfort to anybody ...

47 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:25am

Just another example of the "religion of peace" for ya. God Bless the families of these boys and I hope the one survivor recovers and that the monster coward who did this dies a horrible death.

48 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #23 Kosh's Shadow

So when does the PA name a building after this terrorist ax murderer? And put him on TV? They won't give him a parade because the Israelis would take out his car.

From an earlier post of mine:
If I were Netanyahu, I would make public announcements that no further talks will be held until the Palis turn over the ax murderer to Israel.
Any "authorities" that give him any awards will not be allowed in any Pali government or in peace talks. Any buildings named after him will be bombed.
And I would reply to all pressure to accept a Palestinian state with a remark that "We will be glad to make peace with Palestinians who recognize our right to exist, but we will NOT accept an entity which honors those who ax murder children."

No matter how reasonable that sounds, don't expect that. Consider how appalled the NYT was Lieberman's speech and what he really said! It's somehow shocking for Israeli politicians to demand any responsibility from the Palestinians.

49 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:28am
50 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #30 Opinionated

tell us how you really feel

51 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:35:54am

rush just mentioned o prostrating himself subserviently before the saudi king.
as if he was is subject.

52 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:25am

re: #30 Opinionated

It's not in their DNA, it's in their culture. They have embraced evil, teach hatred, & glorify killing. These are the cultural values of a sick society. Until they change their culture, it will go on like this.

53 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:37am

re: #42 Nevergiveup

I'd be surprised if this guy is taken alive after he killed a child.

He's hiding somewhere behind Palestinian children now. Probably with a stolen Israeli gun to shoot the kids if he's going to be captured, so that can be blamed on the Israelis.

54 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:39am

Left-wing hearts continue to bleed for these earth cancer monsters.

55 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #42 Nevergiveup

I'd be surprised if this guy is taken alive after he killed a child.

They're the fucking Palis. He'll get a TV special and 2 new wives

56 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:41am

It's unbelievable, and yet totally unsurprising.

Of course this monster will be celebrated as a hero.

The world's most utterly depraved culture.

But of course, they "deserve" a state, and they "deserve" to be showered with aid, etc. etc.

57 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats the "Proportionate Response" to this?


sure, get everyone deleted.

58 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #51 nyc redneck

rush just mentioned o prostrating himself subserviently before the saudi king.
as if he was is subject.

Who's got that photo? Anyone?

59 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:08am

And these "people" believe Jews to be decentents of apes? Calling these "people" animals is an insult to animals.

I had better stop now, .........

60 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:38am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're the fucking Palis. He'll get a TV special and 2 new wives

sara isn't married yet?

61 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:43am

When is al jazeera doing a glowing special on this waste of precious natural resources?

62 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:50am
63 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:37:51am

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

Avanti made it clear to me the other night that it is important to think in "nuanced" terms. In shades of gray. To see both sides. That "black and white" thinking is for conservative-thinkers.

It doesn't get more black and white than this.

64 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:38:01am

re: #23 Kosh's Shadow

So when does the PA name a building after this terrorist ax murderer? And put him on TV? They won't give him a parade because the Israelis would take out his car.

From an earlier post of mine:
If I were Netanyahu, I would make public announcements that no further talks will be held until the Palis turn over the ax murderer to Israel.
Any "authorities" that give him any awards will not be allowed in any Pali government or in peace talks. Any buildings named after him will be bombed.
And I would reply to all pressure to accept a Palestinian state with a remark that "We will be glad to make peace with Palestinians who recognize our right to exist, but we will NOT accept an entity which honors those who ax murder children."


F*CKIN A!

That's EXACTLY right!

65 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:38:04am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're the fucking Palis. He'll get a TV special and 2 new wives

He deserves the 72 virgin demons.

66 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:38:06am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're the fucking Palis. He'll get a TV special and 2 new wives

Not if the Israeli's get to him first

67 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:38:14am

Why do people continue to make excuses for these monsters? An incident like this will be mostly ignored. Or explained as the reaction to the 'occupation'. Or 'he's probably lost family members to Israel's brutality'. It's disgusting. The news media, the UN, and politicians in this country are absolutely soaked in blood. I find them evil.

But seemingly regular people are holding Israel to account for the atrocities perpetrated on them. It's overwhelmingly frustrating.

68 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #43 whiterasta

Has the BBC mentioned these children were "Settlers" yet?

Illegal Occupiers.

There are fears that the killing could heighten tensions between the Israeli cabinet and the Palestinians.

from the bbc report

Ya think?

69 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #58 unrealizedviewpoint

found at [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

70 badger1970  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:14am

This is what happens when a religious belief involves dehumanizing all women and children; to them, they are all little more than chattel. Calling this terrorist a beast is too kind. Calling him a person is too merciful. I suggest calling him dead meat.

71 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:18am
72 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:26am

re: #67 kynna

Why do people continue to make excuses for these monsters? An incident like this will be mostly ignored. Or explained as the reaction to the 'occupation'. Or 'he's probably lost family members to Israel's brutality'. It's disgusting. The news media, the UN, and politicians in this country are absolutely soaked in blood. I find them evil.

But seemingly regular people are holding Israel to account for the atrocities perpetrated on them. It's overwhelmingly frustrating.

ANYTHING NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE ARAB GENOCIDE OF BLACK AFRICANS IN DARFUR.

73 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:46am

re: #25 albusteve

a 20yr old out to earn his cred...reminds me of the Spartans...his reward is probably a shiny AK and a box of ammo


A Spartan would never have attacked a young boy. At least with the attempt to kill him.

74 MarkX  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #19 Nevergiveup

Yes but these were Little kids that were attacked

Right, but no adults within sight? Neighbors? Parents?

75 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:40:02am

re: #65 Kosh's Shadow

He deserves the 72 virgin demons.

Or maybe these 72 virgins...

Youtube Video
76 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:40:05am

i hate how these bastards kill children,
in such brutal ways.
it is a scar on all humanity that the response is not swift, harsh and
complete.

77 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:40:25am

re: #70 badger1970

This is what happens when a religious belief involves dehumanizing all women and children; to them, they are all little more than chattel. Calling this terrorist a beast is too kind. Calling him a person is too merciful. I suggest calling him dead meat.


Vulture buffet?

78 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:41:26am
79 badger1970  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:41:31am

re: #73 filetandrelease

Maybe he's referring to Spartan eugenics?
re: #77 BignJames

Good one.

80 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:41:46am

Everyone should read Ayatollah Ghilmaini post on the last thread #889.

81 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:13am
82 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:14am

there are scores of thousands of these young men...and more on the way, like rats....chew on that

83 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:24am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

That's why I'd like him in here. I want to know just what kind of "nuance" he grants axe-murderers.

There will probably be an "indie" film greenlighted within weeks, that will seek to explore the incredibly complex, surprisingly warm personality of the so-called "axe murderer".

84 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:41am

Notice how the MSM will label him (beyond settler).

Anything but "child."

He will be merely, "ISraeli," "Israeli Settler," "Youth," etc.

The only "children" that are KILLED are Palestinians.

I'm sure there will be a number of them reporting that he DIED.

85 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:51am
“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said.

Sick, depraved mother fuckers. And that's the nicest thing I can think to say.

86 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #73 filetandrelease

A Spartan would never have attacked a young boy. At least with the attempt to kill him.

the point is a Spartan had to murder his way to manhood

87 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:05am
88 J.D.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #80 KenJen

Everyone should read Ayatollah Ghilmaini post on the last thread #889.

I did earlier.
It made me want to scream.

89 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #74 MarkX

Right, but no adults within sight? Neighbors? Parents?

There was an adult that intervened after the initial attack and probably saved the 7 year old. Why didn't he have a gun? Just because you can, it doesn't mean everyone always carries guns. Although since this was on the "West Bank" many do. I guess just bad luck. But you can bet the guns are out now.

90 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:39am

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

I'd like to see Avanti walk in here and expand a little on his comments from the other day about how Israel has to do more to explore avenues of peace with these people.

People like that will take this as an isolated incident and tell us we can't blame all Palestinians for the act of one. "After all, Christians are not resoundingly condemned for the acts of Timothy McVeigh" (except that we are despite the fact he was no longer a Christian -- but I digress).

Take all these isolated incidents and list them and their eyes glaze over. Their brains (what's left of them) shut down. I've had the argument with my FiL. When I finally emailed him a rebuttal he couldn't rebut he simply told me I needed to get a soapbox. They refuse to let the truth in.

And never forget, they think Israel's existence is the heart of the problem. So everything done against them is excusable.

I don't speak for Avanti, of course. I'm talking about the leftists who continue after all these years of atrocities to give the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt. He may or may not be one of them -- I have no idea.

91 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:42am

Elder of Ziyon mentions the brutality that this attack demonstrated. It's very similar to a point that Charles Krauthammer made after the killing of two boys in the same area back in 2001.

This is not war. This is not even terrorism. This is bloodlust.
It is savagery so grotesque that it might not have been believed
had we not all seen that picture last fall on the cover of Time
of the Palestinian, having just beaten to death the two Israeli
reservists in Ramallah, exultantly holding out his blood-stained
hands to the crowd in a gesture of triumph.

People are not born with bloodlust. They learn it. It is no
mystery where the Palestinians have learned it.

(The article originally appeared in the Weekly Standard.)

92 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:43:55am

Proof positive that these Palestinians do NOT deserve a state.

93 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:00am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

The left's powers of relativism know no bounds. "The Palestinian has seen generational displacement at the hands of the Jews. What he did was not right, but what has happened to him and his family is not right either. We must try to understand his motives."

94 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:02am

How long before the media blames Bibi Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman for this atrocity?

The over/under is 5 minutes

95 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:04am

re: #76 nyc redneck

i hate how these bastards kill children,
in such brutal ways.
it is a scar on all humanity that the response is not swift, harsh and
complete.

It may not be swift, it will not be "harsh", but you can be certain that it will be complete- and just.

96 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:35am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

There was an adult that intervened after the initial attack and probably saved the 7 year old. Why didn't he have a gun? Just because you can, it doesn't mean everyone always carries guns. Although since this was on the "West Bank" many do. I guess just bad luck. But you can bet the guns are out now.

The hero in all this said that he believes that someone fired at the terrorist, but that he got away all the same.

97 J.S.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:36am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

And the George Galloway's who demand entry into countries so as to go on fund-raising jaunts for HAMAS.

98 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:44:41am

re: #84 Ben Hur

I'm sure there will be a number of them reporting that he DIED.

And some that will twist the headline to make it sound like Jews killed him.

99 zombie  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:45:01am

Let's say we conducted an experiment.

We took an Israeli Jewish child and an Arab child, and switched them at birth.

The Arab child would be raised in the open, free society of Israel in a loving Jewish household.

The Jewish child would be raised in the death-worshipping soul-destroying hate-soaked Palestinian culture.

Would the genetically Jewish child end up becoming a killer, a terror-supporter or worse?

Would the Arab child become a normal businessman, a friendly helpful father, a PhD in Biochemistry?

I say yes. I say that what makes a Palestinian terrorist into a terrorist is his CULTURE, not necessarily his genes.

Now, some argument could be made that thousands of years of violent Arab warriors having the most babies with the victims of their raids and with their captured slave girls might indeed create a genetic tendency toward violence in the population. But I submit that ALL human men have the capacity for violence, and it is our civiliaztion and culture that suppresses it.

All cultures except Palestinian culture, that is.

100 Rexatosis  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:45:15am

There is nothing to negotiate about when dealing with a psychopathic terrorist wielding an axe. You just gotta stop the maniac. The problem is if the West doesn't deal with this problem ASAP we will all be looking at psychopathic terrorists wielding nuclear weapons.

101 sneezey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:45:26am

Where are the world's muslim's condemning this?

102 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #88 J.D.

Do you know how to re-post it on this thread? I think its important. I'd do it but dont kwon how.

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:45:56am

I cannot post anymore on this topic, or I risk the stick.

104 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:46:33am

Change You Can Believe In!

105 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:47:17am

Hate it, make it bleed, kill it. That's where Islam in its purest form will take you.

106 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:47:29am

re: #101 sneezey

Where are the world's muslim's condemning this?

Don't even get me started on muslims standing up for what is right ... in this country I am waiting for American muslims to start speaking up ... so sick of this crap ... where are the muslims in this country marching through the streets saying to the terrorists to stop ... NOT THERE ... they can get together and parade around saying death to the jews ... but where are they saying ... We Stand Up For Americans ... I spit on them ... NO F*CKING SHARIA IN THIS COUNTRY ... and it will come if we do not guard against it ... it creeps slowly ...

107 whiterasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:47:35am

re: #104 tfc3rid

No. This is more of the same old, same old.

108 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:47:39am

re: #101 sneezey

Where are the world's muslim's condemning this?

Oh you will hear some condemn it; HOWEVER, then there will but a big BUT about how Israel's policies caused the man to overreact or it was legitimate resistance. Fuck Em!

109 J.D.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:47:57am

re: #102 KenJen

Did You Remember To Kill the Children?

The 911 hijackers were none too concerned there were infants and children on the four hijacked planes. The seven words above, DYRTKTC says it all. Children are innocent. Children usually cannot defend themselves and targeting children is considered, in almost every society and civilization, an act of base evil.

But not all. The Jewish children of 1939 had close to 100% fatality rate under Hitler. Sixty four years after the victory over Hitler, his disciples, modern militant Islamists, leftists and most senior European foreign ministry officials call for, or excuse, the murder of Jewish children.

Six years ago, I sat at my Passover Seder table sick with the realization that 30 Jews were dead and dozens more were horribly injured from a suicide suitcase bomb on a Seder just like mine. The whole point of a Seder is to share the experience with children. The whole point of the people who attacked the Seder was to annihilate the Jewish people.

Now Jews do have a unique history. I accept that some people don't like us; but I don't ask anyone to like us. I demand only the right for my children and I to be able to live. It is not much. But for those who target Jewish children, it is too much. All over the world, everywhere the Jewish people live, Jewish children are kept under guard as no other children on earth are protected. Our kids are special to us, so that is where they aim.

Today's attack on two Jewish children with axes shows that the slightest crack in the defense of our children inspires the DYRTKTC minded scum of this earth- they can ignore a child's cries of pain to kill them. Today's attacker remembered to kill the children.

Does anyone really think smashing an ax into seven year old can be a consecrated act? Better yet, what political or religious goal deserves anything other than a nuclear bomb if DYRTKTC is the core part of their "moral" existence.

It is moral to defend yourself. It is moral to take whatever reasonable steps are necessary to survive; you have a right to do so. This is the bedrock all human morality and law. It is moral to defend yourself by aiming at those who seek you harm. It is not moral to aim at those who are not a threat or cannot defend themselves.

Imagine taking a puppy into the back yard to kill it with a hammer. Imagine doing this a to child. A child. But this is the holy goal of The world never learns. DYRTKTC is our past, present an future.

Yet, it is a 100% certainty that, if the barbarian who committed this axe murder could be put on an al Jazaeera TV show, not only would he be given air time, he would be given the same hero treatment and "warm wishes" as Samir Kuntar , the murderer who killed a child by breaking her skull against a rock. [note to PM Netanyahu, kill Kuntar]

For the Obama administration and others who think that signing a treaty or handing over land to Palestinians will solve anything, I have bad news: the problem is not that Jews live in Hebron, the the problem is DYRTKTC. Until you destroy the Beast, what chance can people live together peacefully? Until you face the fact that the Islamic world and most Palestinian media function under the core "principle" of DYRTKTC. You can force Israel to sign any treaty you like, you will get war instead. Go anywhere in the Islamic blogosphere from the "Islamist Thinkers" (there is an oxymoron!) to the comment pages of al Jazeera and the Arab media of London and everywhere you look, everything you see will have DYRTKTC as its intellectual foundation.

The world can say and do as it pleases, the Jewish people will defend our children. Do not lecture us where to live when they do nothing about DYRTKTC.

The world never learns. DYRTKTC is our past, present an future. We will not lower our guard in the face of mindless genocidal hatred. We all face the beast and must destroy it. We must never forget what they remember or our children will die.

110 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:03am

Wonder if he bought that axe with Obama's Pali stimulus money.

*SPIT*

111 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:03am

For some reason, in page after page of pro-Palestinian articles, and anti-Israeli smears, the Guardian hasn't covered this little story. Why is that?

112 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:19am

re: #91 dhg4

This is bloodlust.

He called that one, the man who wrestled the ax away from the terrorist described it as "I saw in his eyes the lust to kill"

113 whiterasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:21am

Did someone cap this bitch yet?

114 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:28am

re: #101 sneezey

Where are the world's muslim's condemning this?

They are hanging with all the moderate Germans of the 1930s

115 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:33am
116 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #113 whiterasta

Did someone cap this bitch yet?

Apparently not

117 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:48:49am

re: #94 _RememberTonyC

How long before the media blames Bibi Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman for this atrocity?

The over/under is 5 minutes

Israeli politicos are already blaming Bibi for picking Lieberman for this atrocity, even though the Palestinians have routinely murdered Israelis regardless of what political party was in power at the time. The bloodlust will never be satisfied until Israel is destroyed. Don't take my word for it.

Take theirs (the Palestinians, Hamas, PA, Hizbullah, Syria, Iran, etc.)

118 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:49:29am

Evil.

119 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:01am

re: #107 whiterasta

No. This is more of the same old, same old.

and will get dumped into the dustbin of events...I hope someday in my lifetime Israel snaps and takes the fight to the source...Gaza was a bust imo...all talk and appeasment while innocent people die

120 Wasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:20am

re: #18 unrealizedviewpoint

You're right, my bad.

121 uberfasiq  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:26am

...and will the mainstream media bother reporting on this horrific atrocity - accurately?

122 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:42am

Report: Obama Tried to Stop Gaza War Early

(IsraelNN.com) A new report in The New Yorker claims that United States President Barak Obama’s transition team worked to persuade Israel to end its offensive in the Gaza Strip before Inauguration Day, despite pledges that as president-elect that he would not meddle in foreign affairs, according to Fox news. The article claims that Obama's team worked to persuade Israel to stop bombing Gaza and withdraw its ground troops.

The article also quoted a former intelligence official as saying former Vice President Dick Cheney started "getting messages from the Israelis about pressure from Obama" before January 20. In response, Cheney reportedly portrayed Obama as "pro-Palestinian" in conversations with the Israelis. Cheney's then-adviser on national security disputed the story, saying an alleged conversation about the issue between Cheney and national security adviser-to-be Jim Jones "never, ever happened." But he did not dispute the specific claim that the Obama transition team was involving itself in Israeli affairs.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

If you didn't realize this in real time you may not be too bright.

123 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:45am

Yes this is a natural reaction - to find the most innocent and defenseless victim and slaughter them. Can we PLEASE give them a state? And billions of dollars too?

124 SalsaNChips  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:57am

How bad does this have to get before the MSN takes notice and says something about the obvious, glaring disparity that exists here?

I mean, hacking up a 16 year old kid with an AXE?

What's it going to take? Televised torture of infants? Cannibalism?

125 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #103 Sharmuta

I cannot post anymore on this topic, or I risk the stick.

this will be my only post, for the same reason.

/rage

126 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:20am

re: #81 Iron Fist

What sucks is that you know sooner or later Israel is going to let the motherfucker go in a swap for dead Israelis. Until Israel quits giving them live terrorists in exchange for dead Israelis, Israel will be on a slow, but measurable, decline towards the day when "Palestine" is Judenrein.

When that happens, Hamas and Fatah will get down to the serious business of exterminating one another.

First, Israel shouldn't release prisoners EXCEPT as part of a comprehensive peace agreement (not that I see one coming), and even then, the precedent is, war criminals complete their sentences; only regular military POWs get released.

But if they are, the deal should be live for live, dead for dead. If the Israelis aren't returned alive, the entire group of released prisoners are executed on the spot, and if any of the reception party are in the way, too bad.

And Israel should institute the death penalty for terrorism. A quick execution will cut down these "kidnappings".

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #51 nyc redneck

rush just mentioned o prostrating himself subserviently before the saudi king.
as if he was is subject.

Any link? I'd be horrified if it happened, but I don't trust anything that comes out of Rush's mouth.

128 J.D.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #121 uberfasiq

...and will the mainstream media bother reporting on this horrific atrocity - accurately?

You mean the ones who are left?

You'd think they might try telling the whole truth since telling only part of it didn't sell...enough.

129 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:52am

Nothing at the leftist Independent either.

Nothing newsworthy, I guess.

130 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:55am

re: #109 J.D.

Thanks!

131 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:06am
Does anyone really think smashing an ax into seven year old can be a consecrated act? Better yet, what political or religious goal deserves anything other than a nuclear bomb if DYRTKTC is the core part of their "moral" existence.

It is heading that way

132 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #99 zombie

All cultures except Palestinian culture, that is.

I beleive one could expand upon this specific designation.

133 zombie  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:28am

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey

The "Palestinians" have a state. It's called "Jordan," and is made up of the lion's share of the old Palestine Mandate.

Currently, the "Palestinians" (an Arab subgroup invented in 1964) define themselves, every man, woman and child, as "refugees," which means that they define themselves as perpetually waiting to relocate somewhere other than where they currently reside. If they want a "right of return," let them go to Jordan.

"Palestinian" is an adjective, not a noun. The complete phrase is "Palestinian Arab," i.e. those Arabs who had settled in the British Palestine Mandate.

What happened in 1964 was that they consciously dropped the "Arab" from the name and made "Palestinian" into a noun. This was done in order to make the world forget that these people after all are Arabs, and that their ancestral homeland is Arabia, not Judea and Samaria or anywhere else in the Holy Land.

134 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:51am

re: #125 redc1c4

this will be my only post, for the same reason.

/rage

Same here.
I don't have any polite words to say how I feel about this.

Value my account too much to let rip.

135 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:05am

re: #117 lawhawk

Israeli politicos are already blaming Bibi for picking Lieberman for this atrocity, even though the Palestinians have routinely murdered Israelis regardless of what political party was in power at the time. The bloodlust will never be satisfied until Israel is destroyed. Don't take my word for it.

Take theirs (the Palestinians, Hamas, PA, Hizbullah, Syria, Iran, etc.)

you're preaching to the choir ...

in my opinion, Israel needs to deal someone a serious ass kicking. no remorse, no pulled punches, and no more land to terrorists.

136 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:06am

[Deleted]

137 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:16am

re: #99 zombie

Let's say we conducted an experiment.

We took an Israeli Jewish child and an Arab child, and switched them at birth.

The Arab child would be raised in the open, free society of Israel in a loving Jewish household.

The Jewish child would be raised in the death-worshipping soul-destroying hate-soaked Palestinian culture.

Would the genetically Jewish child end up becoming a killer, a terror-supporter or worse?

Would the Arab child become a normal businessman, a friendly helpful father, a PhD in Biochemistry?

I say yes. I say that what makes a Palestinian terrorist into a terrorist is his CULTURE, not necessarily his genes.

Now, some argument could be made that thousands of years of violent Arab warriors having the most babies with the victims of their raids and with their captured slave girls might indeed create a genetic tendency toward violence in the population. But I submit that ALL human men have the capacity for violence, and it is our civiliaztion and culture that suppresses it.

All cultures except Palestinian culture, that is.

And, who lets the Palis stay this way? Who enables them? We do! And, all of the their Arab brethren too. We do it because we want them to live in peace with Israel and hope tossing money at them and outright bribery will make them behave - the so-called "peace process". Their Arab brothers want them to stay this way because it let's them keep the hatred of the Jews fresh in everyone's mind and they can revel in that hatred through the Palestinians......Either way, the Palestinian people will continued to be used as fodder by the Muslim world and they will continue to breed one generation of homicidal maniacs after another until someone stops this cycle of shit. I am not holding out hope our current President is up to that task.

If the Palestinians continue this way, and there is no sign of them changing, Israel will have to deal with them in a harsh and brutal way until they finally accept the fact that Israel is not going away.

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:22am

It takes a real man to attack boys with an axe!
*spit*

(I've put up my "Hamas mouse" avatar in honor of the man who got the axe away from this craven coward.)

139 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:54:46am
140 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:01am

Nothing at CNN either.

They really don't care. They are sweeping this under the carpet.

141 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:02am

Carl (Israel Matzav) also noted an important aspect to this story: Israel (apparently in response to Secretary Clinton's request) had recently removed roadblocks in the area, I guess, as a confidence building measure. Apparently it worked and gave this terrorist quite a bit of confidence.

The road to hell is paved with absent roadblocks.

142 Dave the.....  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:11am

Look for the National Council of Churches to put out a statement, urging both sides to stop axe murdering children.

143 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:35am

re: #129 Kenneth

Nothing at the leftist Independent either.

Nothing newsworthy, I guess.

Of course its not 'newsworthy' - it was only an Israeli child who got murdered!
///

I'm raging and trying hard not to cry, having seen that photo of that boy.

Better stop here.

144 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:40am

New York Tmes:

Ax Attack Kills Teen in West Bank

Don't you just hate it when Axes go wild?

145 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:47am

re: #122 Opinionated

Report: Obama Tried to Stop Gaza War Early

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

If you didn't realize this in real time you may not be too bright.

The Israelis practically said so, when they said they'd be out of Gaza by the inauguration.

146 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:00am

re: #141 dhg4

Carl (Israel Matzav) also noted an important aspect to this story: Israel (apparently in response to Secretary Clinton's request) had recently removed roadblocks in the area, I guess, as a confidence building measure. Apparently it worked and gave this terrorist quite a bit of confidence.

The road to hell is paved with absent roadblocks.

Settlers: Ehud Barak, left-wing policies to blame for attack

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

147 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Any link? I'd be horrified if it happened, but I don't trust anything that comes out of Rush's mouth.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

148 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:16am

[self-deleted]

I pray for the injured child, and the family members of the children.

I will pray rather differently for the killer and his entire sick society.

149 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:22am

re: #123 tedzilla99

Yes this is a natural reaction - to find the most innocent and defenseless victim and slaughter them. Can we PLEASE give them a state? And billions of dollars too?

I think they deserve the core of the Sun. That's about the right temperature.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

There was an adult that intervened after the initial attack and probably saved the 7 year old. Why didn't he have a gun? Just because you can, it doesn't mean everyone always carries guns. Although since this was on the "West Bank" many do. I guess just bad luck. But you can bet the guns are out now.

Lots of people I know in the 'farther' West Bank go armed, but it's not universal, and gets much less so the nearer in to civilization you get.

151 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:53am

re: #141 dhg4

Carl (Israel Matzav) also noted an important aspect to this story: Israel (apparently in response to Secretary Clinton's request) had recently removed roadblocks in the area, I guess, as a confidence building measure. Apparently it worked and gave this terrorist quite a bit of confidence.

The road to hell is paved with absent roadblocks.

US Pressure = Removing Roadblocks = Dead Jews. Period

Repeat Ad Infinitum

152 albigensian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:00am

To quote an old lyric, Hamas' defense seems to be that "they're depraved because they're deprived."

Then again, here in the USA we have groups that go by such names as "By Any Means Necessary." I've always wondered whether they actually meant it-- would they take an axe to a child if doing so would advance their cause?

153 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:07am

re: #122 Opinionated

Report: Obama Tried to Stop Gaza War Early


[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

If you didn't realize this in real time you may not be too bright.

New Yorker? My guess is that it's by Seymour Hersh, who is writing to his audience playing up President Obama's "peace" credentials and further demonizing Dick Cheney. I have to be skeptical of such a report.

154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:38am

The thought of a judge ordering castration for the guy who wielded the axe is an exercise in purposeless mental meandering.

/wouldn't find any

155 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:16am

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of people I know in the 'farther' West Bank go armed, but it's not universal, and gets much less so the nearer in to civilization you get.

Yes I know, but this is not to far from hebron after all.

156 hellosnackbar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:22am

Can there be anything more nauseating than a grown man attacking and murdering a helpless child with an axe?
No doubt he'll be feted as a hero by his depraved comrades.
Although I'm not a proponent of summary justice; this monster must be taken out.
But when Allah is on your side anything goes;it's an example of why civilised people must step up counter measures against such evil.
Whole hearted support of Israel would be a good first step.
.

157 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:23am

Start questioning why the following is NEVER shown on Western televisions.

All Israeli news stations have Arab Affairs desks. They are exposed to what their neighbors are saying, printing and publishing about the Jews.

Some ideological hack sitting in his comfy office in the US or UK knows jack shit.

Liveleak Video
158 Dave the.....  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:34am

Zombie and buzz. I talk about that a lot. For the most part, the "Palestinian people", weren't invented until 1967. Before that, the term meant as you two describe.

I've read contemporary description, pre-1948, referring to Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Christians.

One thing that always amuses me...left wing Christians who bemoan the shrinking Christian population in the area, but hate Israel. They are blind to what is really happening. It's interesting how anti-Israel Christians have aligned them selves with anti-Semitic Arabs.

159 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #144 Opinionated

New York Tmes:

Ax Attack Kills Teen in West Bank

Don't you just hate it when Axes go wild?

'Teen' - the bastards - that lad was technically a teenager, sure - but look at his face! He was an innocent young lad!

[Deleted] [Deleted] [Deleted]

160 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:37am

Natural like to uruk-hai natural.

Why did we have to dispose of the concept of savages, barbarians, and pretend that man is a brotherhood of like-hearted angels...?

Some peoples are still savage. Cell phones or not, there are still completely morally and spiritually un-evolved savages. God Damned ORCS who kill children for fun and collect human meat-pieces with JOY.

grr

161 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:39am

re: #134 yma o hyd

Same here.
I don't have any polite words to say how I feel about this.

Value my account too much to let rip.

Me too. . .me too, and therein lies the problem- decent people have no poite way of expresing themselves about horrific slaughters of this nature. . .official condenmations sound emotionless and false, but those that support this heinous act can, with applause and nodded understanding from Jew Haters around the world can EXPRESS SUPPORT AND CONGRATULATIONS!

162 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:48am

re: #43 whiterasta

Has the BBC mentioned these children were "Settlers" yet?

BBC:

A Palestinian attacker wielding an axe has killed an Israeli boy and wounded another in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank, police say.

The incident took place in the Bat Ayin settlement south of Bethlehem. The attacker is reported to have escaped.

Doctors said the fatality was a 13-year-old, while a seven-year-old boy was being treated for serious wounds.

The military wing of Islamic Jihad and Imad Mughniyeh Group said they carried out the attack, Israel Radio reports.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the attack as a "senseless act of brutality against innocents".

Reports say it appears to be the latest of sporadic attacks by Palestinians in Israeli-occupied territory.

163 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:50am

re: #141 dhg4

Carl (Israel Matzav) also noted an important aspect to this story: Israel (apparently in response to Secretary Clinton's request) had recently removed roadblocks in the area, I guess, as a confidence building measure. Apparently it worked and gave this terrorist quite a bit of confidence.

The road to hell is paved with absent roadblocks.

I think the next time Hillary is in Israel, the Israeli government should have the child's parents meet her.

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:32am

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(did I word that well enough that it won't get deleted?)

heh

165 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:33am

re: #153 dhg4

New Yorker? My guess is that it's by Seymour Hersh, who is writing to his audience playing up President Obama's "peace" credentials and further demonizing Dick Cheney. I have to be skeptical of such a report.

At the time, it looked like the Israelis were trying to end it by Inauguration. I am not surprised one bit if Obama's people had a hand in it.

166 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:41am

re: #142 Dave the.....

Look for the National Council of Churches to put out a statement, urging both sides to stop axe murdering children.

Both sides should show "restraint" and painful concessions continue to be needed. . .spit!

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #147 pink freud

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Thanks.

168 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:51am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #69 unrealizedviewpoint

look at this posted from unrealzedviewpoint.

it certainly looks like o is groveling.
only the "king's" subjects are obliged to bow.
o is going overboard to humble himself.
i'll say one thing, a pro-america pres. would not conduct himself
this way.
rudy would never BOW to this arab.,
king or not.
neither would mccain.

169 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:10am

re: #153 dhg4

It is not demonizing Dick Cheney.

I don't know who wrote it, nor do I care, nor do I even care that it was writen- I have believed that since Israel stopped short just in time for the Inauguration.

170 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:13am

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey

The "Palestinians" have a state. It's called "Jordan," and is made up of the lion's share of the old Palestine Mandate.

Currently, the "Palestinians" (an Arab subgroup invented in 1964) define themselves, every man, woman and child, as "refugees," which means that they define themselves as perpetually waiting to relocate somewhere other than where they currently reside. If they want a "right of return," let them go to Jordan.

For posts like that, I regret that I only have one upding to give.
The true history of the region cannot be repeated too often.

171 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:27am

re: #144 Opinionated

Ah the press, with the passive voice. I see it all the time. Gunfire kills man. Really? Gunfire...is it still on the loose? Bastard conniving conmen, the MSM.

172 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:30am

We had an unexpected meltdown by a longtime Lizard recently, which saddens me, but what made me think of it was that that meltdown was due to making comments that sounded exactly like this.

“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said. “This is a reaction to the continuing occupation and the continued building of settlements.”

“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

173 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #69 unrealizedviewpoint

found at [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

here it is

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:42am

re: #147 pink freud

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

WTF? That doesn't look good.

175 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:46am

[deleted] and [banned]

I'm afraid that my comment in response to this atrocity would fit in very well over at Pam "Atlas's" place, so I will go clean my house for a while.

176 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:09am

FUCK POLITE

177 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:10am

The British response? Obviously, axes should be outlawed.

178 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:15am

re: #5 Thanos

This is terrible beyond compare, but kudos to the man who took the axe away.

there should be an international

"Another Good Man Preventing Evil"
medal.

179 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:02:03am

re: #133 zombie

"Palestinian" is an adjective, not a noun. The complete phrase is "Palestinian Arab," i.e. those Arabs who had settled in the British Palestine Mandate.

What happened in 1964 was that they consciously dropped the "Arab" from the name and made "Palestinian" into a noun. This was done in order to make the world forget that these people after all are Arabs, and that their ancestral homeland is Arabia, not Judea and Samaria or anywhere else in the Holy Land.

Yes, indeed. That, too.

180 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:02:53am

re: #159 yma o hyd

'Teen' - the bastards - that lad was technically a teenager, sure - but look at his face! He was an innocent young lad!

[Deleted] [Deleted] [Deleted]

Every report will say that he was a "settler".

And as everyone knows, "settlers" of all ages deserve to die. /s

So too of course the "settlers" in Jerusalem, and Haifa, and Tel Aviv and Sderot, etc.

181 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:01am

re: #63 pink freud

Avanti made it clear to me the other night that it is important to think in "nuanced" terms. In shades of gray. To see both sides. That "black and white" thinking is for conservative-thinkers.

It doesn't get more black and white than this.

axe wielding man - bad

182 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #162 Alouette

There ye go - typical Beeb bias: because it happens in 'Israeli-occupied' territory, its ok for a Pali to murder an innocent 13 year old boy, and wound a seven year old severely, with an axe ...

See - that sort of bias is what you get when you spend lots of £££ from the Magical Kingdom wisely!

183 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Rush is tight with his information. I've not caught him in a lie.

184 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:20am

re: #177 solomonpanting

The British response? Obviously, axes should be outlawed.

And they'll blockade Israel to make sure no Israeli can buy a new axe.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:31am

re: #155 Nevergiveup

Yes I know, but this is not to far from hebron after all.

Yeah. My God, this never gets any better.

186 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #162 Alouette

BBC:

A Palestinian attacker wielding an axe has killed an Israeli boy and wounded another in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank, police say.

The incident took place in the Bat Ayin settlement south of Bethlehem. The attacker is reported to have escaped.

Doctors said the fatality was a 13-year-old, while a seven-year-old boy was being treated for serious wounds.

The military wing of Islamic Jihad and Imad Mughniyeh Group said they carried out the attack, Israel Radio reports.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the attack as a "senseless act of brutality against innocents".

Reports say it appears to be the latest of sporadic attacks by Palestinians in Israeli-occupied territory.

Yep- knew it would be there. . .the "settler" got it. . .with the underlying "what did you expect" tone. . .farrkin hell!

And Israel will respond disproportionaly. . .what would be a proportional response to this? Shudder, horrible horrible horrible. . .

187 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

It makes my skin crawl.

188 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:14am

re: #171 Taqiyyotomist

Ah the press, with the passive voice. I see it all the time. Gunfire kills man. Really? Gunfire...is it still on the loose? Bastard conniving conmen, the MSM.

It's not always a passive Voice.

You would read: Israeli Jew causes Palestinain Angel to stub Toe"

189 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:17am

re: #172 Naso Tang

We had an unexpected meltdown by a longtime Lizard recently, which saddens me, but what made me think of it was that that meltdown was due to making comments that sounded exactly like this.

“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said. “This is a reaction to the continuing occupation and the continued building of settlements.”
Who was it. . .

“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

190 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:45am

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. My God, this never gets any better.

Nope. Very depressing. I'm 54 and 20-30 years ago we were always on the West bank without to many cares. Times have changed.

191 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:07am
192 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:08am

re: #169 Opinionated

It is not demonizing Dick Cheney.

I don't know who wrote it, nor do I care, nor do I even care that it was writen- I have believed that since Israel stopped short just in time for the Inauguration.

So have I - it was quite evident that some heavy arm-twisting was going on behind the scenes at that time - we just weren't told then who did the twisting, but we could guess ...

193 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:10am

re: #147 pink freud

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Saved. Printed. And on my bulletin board next to a sword dancing Bush.

194 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #158 Dave the.....

Zombie and buzz. I talk about that a lot. For the most part, the "Palestinian people", weren't invented until 1967. Before that, the term meant as you two describe.

I've read contemporary description, pre-1948, referring to Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Christians.

One thing that always amuses me...left wing Christians who bemoan the shrinking Christian population in the area, but hate Israel. They are blind to what is really happening. It's interesting how anti-Israel Christians have aligned them selves with anti-Semitic Arabs.

The term "Palestinian" was widely used before 1948. It referred to Jews and Christians in the Holy Land.

195 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:21am

re: #110 Russkilitlover

Wonder if he bought that axe with Obama's Pali stimulus money.

*SPIT*

This is just too much, and I don't think I can make a comment about this horrible event. But the fact that we are giving these monsters money makes me want to break things.

196 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:36am

OBOWMA.

197 Emerald  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:56am

It's hard to see how there can ever be peace when the one side is absolutely inhumane. It's even harder to understand how anyone can continue to blame the Israelis when it's so obvious who commits the atrocities.

198 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:02am

This sentence was in the BBC report:

There are fears that the killing could heighten tensions between the Israeli cabinet and the Palestinians.

The problem, in their minds, is the dangerous Israeli cabinet. Not the Palestinian thugs who perpetrate & applaud this barbarism. No, it's that the Israelis might do something to defend their own people from this ongoing evil.

199 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #172 Naso Tang

We had an unexpected meltdown by a longtime Lizard recently, which saddens me, but what made me think of it was that that meltdown was due to making comments that sounded exactly like this.

“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said. “This is a reaction to the continuing occupation and the continued building of settlements.”

“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

The reality is simple:
What makes anyone think that the Palis (and their associates) would balk at sacrificing Jewish, Christian, Hindu or any other children when they so quickly sacrifice their own children?

200 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #190 Nevergiveup

Nope. Very depressing. I'm 54 and 20-30 years ago we were always on the West bank without to many cares. Times have changed.

Funny, isn't it? Seems like whenever the Arabs take over land in that region, they turn it into a hellhole.

Too busy killing and hating to get on with their lives, I guess.

201 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:03am

re: #181 Eowyn2

axe wielding man - bad

Sadly, I could go back to my college and hear the "well, what did you think would happen" and "they were pushed to do this" mantra. . .ignoring the blood of innocent children in a face to face premeditated attack of a most personal nature. . .this was not collateral damage- these children were the targets. . .and that is somehow MORE understandable than trying to stop rocket fire with smart bombs and warning flyers and house to house searches?

202 erisldysnomia  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:21am

I don't even think chimpanzees are this bestial.

203 erisldysnomia  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:19am

re: #197 Emerald

It's hard to see how there can ever be peace when the one side is absolutely inhumane.

Fixed that for ya.

204 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #198 Kenneth

This sentence was in the BBC report:


The problem, in their minds, is the dangerous Israeli cabinet. Not the Palestinian thugs who perpetrate & applaud this barbarism. No, it's that the Israelis might do something to defend their own people from this ongoing evil.

That is f*cked up.

There is a Hamas "government." There is the PA.

Why the strange dichotomy?

205 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #180 Opinionated

Every report will say that he was a "settler".

And as everyone knows, "settlers" of all ages deserve to die. /s

So too of course the "settlers" in Jerusalem, and Haifa, and Tel Aviv and Sderot, etc.

Yep - just as the hamasthugs and fataholes are demanding all the time!
Most people nodd wisely when those asshats speak about the 'occupied' territories, without realising that for those asshats all of Israel is an occupied territory.

Just ask those moonbats who founded Tel Aviv, and when ... the answers will be jaw-dropping.

206 erisldysnomia  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:53am

re: #203 erisldysnomia

Fixed that for ya.

Hard to see the strike in the final "e" so:

It's hard to see how there can ever be peace when the one side is absolutely inhuman.

207 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:09:16am

re: #193 Ben Hur

Saved. Printed. And on my bulletin board next to a sword dancing Bush.

My G-D! Look at Abdullah's FACE. . .the leader of the infidel nation is BOWING TO HIM. . .

208 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:09:20am

Given the current climate this could just as easily happen in London or Paris.

And the BBC would still blame Israel.

209 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:19am

re: #188 Opinionated

Actually, I was wrong, that was the usual MSM trick of Anthropomorphism, making inanimate objects become the Actor in question. SUV jumps curb. Gunfire kills man.

The passive voice, equally tricksy, would be, I think, "Man killed by gunfire", or "hundreds die in violence". Like, what'd they have to up and do that for?

"Millions of Jews died in the Holocaust" I see that each year, like clockwork, instead of the accurate, "German people killed millions of Jews in what later became known as the Holocaust, or Shoah."

No, they just up and died. Nobody knows why they took such drastic measures. Yez, Virginia, there really is a Devil.

210 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:29am
211 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:31am

re: #205 yma o hyd


Most people nodd wisely when those asshats speak about the 'occupied' territories, without realising that for those asshats all of Israel is an occupied territory.

The Haifa Mall they attempted to bomb recently must have also been "occupied".

212 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:33am
213 dhg4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

re: #169 Opinionated

It is not demonizing Dick Cheney.

I don't know who wrote it, nor do I care, nor do I even care that it was writen- I have believed that since Israel stopped short just in time for the Inauguration.

To me for Dick Cheney to say that Barack Obama supports the Palestinians is pretty non-controversial. But Hersh (assuming that it's he, who wrote the original article) is writing for a bunch of New York liberals, who probably put on Cheney masks when they go trick or treating with their children. To them, Cheney saying that is even further proof that he's the spawn of evil for denigrating Barack Obama's "peace" efforts. I was careful to write that Hersh was writing for his audience.

I think that the Israeli government decided that it didn't want to start off relations with American on a bad footing. I'm not convinced that there was direct pressure.

214 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:56am

White North and South Americans are settlers.

What? You thought that the 19th century European Jewish immigration to EXISTING Jewish communities in Israel was different and not a part of the MASS European SETTLEMENT of North/South America, Australia, New Zealand, ETC ETC ETC of the SAME TIME PERIOD?!?!?!?!?

215 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:44am

re: #207 DisturbedEma

My G-D! Look at Abdullah's FACE. . .the leader of the infidel nation is BOWING TO HIM. . .

I'm sure he "pitched a tent" as well.

The only time he does when he's not dressed up like a Jewish women in his closet.

216 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:46am

re: #198 Kenneth

This sentence was in the BBC report:

The problem, in their minds, is the dangerous Israeli cabinet. Not the Palestinian thugs who perpetrate & applaud this barbarism. No, it's that the Israelis might do something to defend their own people from this ongoing evil.

Yep - and we can already sniff the air for their next comment, that its all the fault of Lieberman, for his 'harsh' words.

Remember: the palis are never at fault, ever.
It is always the fault of the Joooos - especially when they don't mince words! And more especially when they are in government and actually, horrors, 'right-wing'!

217 RaiderDan  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:52am

New York Times:

Ax Attack Kills Teen in West Bank

Don't you just hate it when Axes go wild?

#144 Opinionated.

No, thats NY Times-speak for "Move along, nothing to see here" because "Palestinian Kills Israeli Teen With Ax" is too accurate and too gramatically correct (subject, verb, object) a headline for our left-wing multicultural betters at the Times.

218 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:37am

One mans Axe murder is another's ....ah .....ah...
Contingency plan?
Rot in hell indeed!

219 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:57am
220 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:10am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

At the time, it looked like the Israelis were trying to end it by Inauguration. I am not surprised one bit if Obama's people had a hand in it.

I think just the fact they said "the Inauguration" was a hint of the pressure they were getting. I said that back then. Hirsh isn't the best source, though.

221 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:35am

re: #199 Eowyn2

The reality is simple:
What makes anyone think that the Palis (and their associates) would balk at sacrificing Jewish, Christian, Hindu or any other children when they so quickly sacrifice their own children?

The same mentality that allows them to preach to us peasants to drink water while they of course drink wine.
Or lower our carbon footprints, or whatever is the newest fashion in moonbat speak.

222 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:19am

re: #220 Kosh's Shadow

I think just the fact they said "the Inauguration" was a hint of the pressure they were getting. I said that back then. Hirsh isn't the best source, though.

I thought it back then also. Hirsh sucks but this isn't about him.

223 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:28am

re: #214 Ben Hur

When I hear the phrase "Occupied West Bank" I think, well, when are the Arab occupiers going to leave Judea & Samaria and go back to Arabia where they came from. In 13100 years, no Arab ever called for for an independent Arab state in Palestine. Never. Then modern Israel was born and suddenly they cry "occupation".

224 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:31am

BBL.

Must fuel the machine.

225 Opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:37am

re: #209 Taqiyyotomist

It's all biased. Depending on who they are protecting.

I dare you to find me any description of a dead or injured Arab caused by Jews/Israel when they don't state in the title that it was specifcally caused by Israel.

Now Axes are attacking. Previously it was Bulldozers.

226 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:01am

re: #221 yma o hyd

The same mentality that allows them to preach to us peasants to drink water while they of course drink wine.
Or lower our carbon footprints, or whatever is the newest fashion in moonbat speak.

Let them fly coach?

227 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:39am

re: #225 Opinionated

And harmless rockets. Don't forget the harmless rockets.

228 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:59am

re: #225 Opinionated

It's all biased. Depending on who they are protecting.

I dare you to find me any description of a dead or injured Arab caused by Jews/Israel when they don't state in the title that it was specifcally caused by Israel.

Now Axes are attacking. Previously it was Bulldozers.

HELL, they blame the whole freaking country- Israel kills, Israel attacks. . .it is the demonization of the whole state. . .

229 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #211 Opinionated

The Haifa Mall they attempted to bomb recently must have also been "occupied".

Most certainly!
I wonder if Hillary's next request will be for Bibi to dismantle that wall?
At least, she's got to negotiate with Lieberman - who doesn't seem to be taking any prisoners, as of yet.

230 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #227 Kenneth

And harmless rockets. Don't forget the harmless rockets.


umm, homemade rockets yes, that is the ticket. . .///

231 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #227 Kenneth

And harmless rockets. Don't forget the harmless rockets.

Silly infidel - sending rockets to schools and daycare centers is a natural reaction to oppression, paid for by extorting billions of dollars from the US and Europe.

You obviously don't know what it's like to be subhuman oppressed.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:18:50am

re: #229 yma o hyd

Most certainly!
I wonder if Hillary's next request will be for Bibi to dismantle that wall?
At least, she's got to negotiate with Lieberman - who doesn't seem to be taking any prisoners, as of yet.

Yes, she can't immediately call for Israel to commit suicide quickly.

233 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #227 Kenneth

And harmless rockets. Don't forget the harmless rockets.

Niggling rockets, they were - just niggling!

Aww, those Israelis sure don't understand ayrab humour ...
/////////

234 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #124 SalsaNChips

How bad does this have to get before the MSN takes notice and says something about the obvious, glaring disparity that exists here?

I mean, hacking up a 16 year old kid with an AXE?

What's it going to take? Televised torture of infants? Cannibalism?

Not even those.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:55am

re: #183 pink freud

Rush is tight with his information. I've not caught him in a lie.


I don't listen to his show, but I've heard some odd things occasionally--the black cars in California thing came through him. It may be that people misunderstand what he's saying. I just check.

236 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #193 Ben Hur

Saved. Printed. And on my bulletin board next to a sword dancing Bush.

McCain and Palin were going to go full speed ahead on developing domestic oil resources. Bush had 8 years to do so, and did nothing (and yeah, the democrats opposed him, but did you ever see a major prime time address about the topic? after 9/11? nope).

But the American people elected Obama, in large part because nobody really made the case for domestic oil production. And yeah, for that, I blame Bush....he should have started right after 9/11 and kept driving the point home as many times as necessary. Instead he looked into Vlad Putin's eyes and held hands with Sauds.

Bush wasn't ready to be POTUS, and Obama is 10 times worse.

237 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:21:41am

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

I think the next time Hillary is in Israel, the Israeli government should have the child's parents meet her.

238 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't listen to his show, but I've heard some odd things occasionally--the black cars in California thing came through him. It may be that people misunderstand what he's saying. I just check.

They don't misunderstand. They quote him as saying things he never said. I had someone tell me that Rush Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail because he's black. That is NOT what he said.

239 right_wing2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:22:58am

What a brave, heroic action, taking on those little children.

240 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:23:49am
“This is a natural reaction,”

C'mere fuckhead and I'll show you a natural reaction.

241 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:23am

But... but... You were supposed to unclench your fist! You can't hold an axe with an unclenched fist!

/ Maybe we need to draw some pictures.

242 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:31am
243 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:43am
244 right_wing2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:27:39am

ok, NOT little children. Still, they're young men. Of course, the fact that they're Jooooos (or maybe juice) makes it right.

//

245 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:27:40am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, it's a tradition all right.

246 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:27:58am

the palestinians are nothing more than a political creation ... and their own people have admitted it ...

[Link: en.wikiquote.org...]

247 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:30am

Obama will be sending a strongly worded letter of protest to Israel for allowing their children to roam around in "an area of dispute".

/

248 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:46am
“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

This may be one of the most insane things I've ever read.

249 Clio  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:30:55am

Behind the shield of screen-name anonymity, I am going to make some remarks more frankly than I might otherwise.

I am an American Jew born and bred, and now live in a small town in Israel where there are several Israeli-Arab villages near by. Some of these Israeli-Arabs -- who are of course Israeli citizens -- work in my town or others near by, some of them in responsible positions in places like banks and hospitals.

I get on very well with them. (And have also suffered the occasional humilation of having an Arab correct my Hebrew.) I LIKE THEM. They tend to have a good sense of humor, and I always like people with whom I can have a laugh.

Yet there is always the lingering silent question -- are they genuinely decent as they seem to be, or is it taqqiya? And I HATE having to think that.

250 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:33:49am

re: #219 Iron Fist

I'll agree, but it isn't just men who have the capacity to do great harm. Culturally, women aren't as aggressive as men but that, too, is more culture than it is genetic.

men are stronger so naturally, they have the capacity to do great harm but women are crueler. Who was worse? Caligula or his Sister?

251 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:45am

re: #249 Clio

Behind the shield of screen-name anonymity, I am going to make some remarks more frankly than I might otherwise.

I am an American Jew born and bred, and now live in a small town in Israel where there are several Israeli-Arab villages near by. Some of these Israeli-Arabs -- who are of course Israeli citizens -- work in my town or others near by, some of them in responsible positions in places like banks and hospitals.

I get on very well with them. (And have also suffered the occasional humilation of having an Arab correct my Hebrew.) I LIKE THEM. They tend to have a good sense of humor, and I always like people with whom I can have a laugh.

Yet there is always the lingering silent question -- are they genuinely decent as they seem to be, or is it taqqiya? And I HATE having to think that.

So in other words, you are wondering when one of them is going to sneak up and stick a shiv in your back?

252 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:58am

This demon in human form deserves nothing less than to lose his hands, feet, and then his arms and legs, to an axe. He should suffer a horrible fate, but will almost certainly be hailed as a hero as soon as his name is revealed.

253 UberInfidel67  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:36:58am

So the "framework of the resistance" invovles killing little boys with axes? Wow. Just WOW. That is one group of fucked up people.

From the river to the sea
We shall be Palistinian-free

254 sffilk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:37:35am

Yisgadal v'yiskadash shmei rabah.........

May G-D comfort the families as He does all mourners in Zion and Jerusalem.

255 transient  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:38:48am

When Hamas claims that killing children qualifies as "resistance," what they are saying is they endorse ethnic cleansing.

I wish the MSM would take the memo.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:41:49am

re: #238 redstateredneck

They don't misunderstand. They quote him as saying things he never said. I had someone tell me that Rush Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail because he's black. That is NOT what he said.

Because the people I hear from are mostly fans, I assume they don't wilfully misquote him, but that's another possibility.

257 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:03am

in the Muqata blog that Charles linked to, it says the IDF was closing in on the house where this vermin was hiding.

258 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:25am

re: #252 Guanxi88

This demon in human form deserves nothing less than to lose his hands, feet, and then his arms and legs, to an axe. He should suffer a horrible fate, but will almost certainly be hailed as a hero as soon as his name is revealed.

First, he should lose the part that he wants to use with those virgins.

259 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:14am
260 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

in the Muqata blog that Charles linked to, it says the IDF was closing in on the house where this vermin was hiding.

They should kill him before the Palis want to kidnap another Israeli to get him back.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #249 Clio

Behind the shield of screen-name anonymity, I am going to make some remarks more frankly than I might otherwise.

I am an American Jew born and bred, and now live in a small town in Israel where there are several Israeli-Arab villages near by. Some of these Israeli-Arabs -- who are of course Israeli citizens -- work in my town or others near by, some of them in responsible positions in places like banks and hospitals.

I get on very well with them. (And have also suffered the occasional humilation of having an Arab correct my Hebrew.) I LIKE THEM. They tend to have a good sense of humor, and I always like people with whom I can have a laugh.

Yet there is always the lingering silent question -- are they genuinely decent as they seem to be, or is it taqqiya? And I HATE having to think that.

That's hard. All the best to you and yours.

262 Clio  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:44:58am

re: #251 Spare O'Lake

So in other words, you are wondering when one of them is going to sneak up and stick a shiv in your back?

NO -- THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT I AM WONDERING.
I have no personal mistrust, and my trust has never been misplaced.

The thing that I wonder about is whether they are really willing to build their lives and futures as Israelis. And if so, will their children be so willing? Or would they really rather want Israel to melt away into an Arab-dominated Palestine?

Maybe I should not have brought up the subject at all.

263 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:45:58am

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

in the Muqata blog that Charles linked to, it says the IDF was closing in on the house where this vermin was hiding.

I hope they, ah, [deleted]

gotta go :0

264 gearhead  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:31am

A murderer of children. What a hero. What a breathtaking example of resistance. What a culture that produces such brave men and takes such delight in the deaths of children.

/

265 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:03am

When Hamas says that attacking two young boys with an axe is "a natural reaction" that's all I need to know about who the good guys and who the evil guys are.

Unfortunately the rest of the world has apparently bought into the perpetrator is victim myth so fully that this kind of equivocating and excuse making for murderers is actually taken seriously.

266 Clio  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:23am

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey

I will observe in passing that the constant drumbeat that "settlers" and "settlements" are the problem is nothing more than a groundwork being laid towards the destruction of Israel in its entirety.

Israel was founded by "settlers"--Jews who came to the Land of Israel from other countries with the objective of creating an independent Jewish homeland. The "settlers"--that is, the chalutzim--were (are still?) the heroes of Israeli history as the colonists and pioneers are, or were, the heroes of American history.

That is being implicitly attacked with the demonization of today's "settlers," and today's "settlers" are being relegated, in the Jewish state and certainly in discourse elsewhere in the West, to the status of Jews in pre-Emancipation Europe--a despised and shunned minority.

It is all the more important, then, to remember that to the Arabs and to the anti-Israel West Tel Aviv is a settlement, no less than any small enclave perched atop a West Bank hill. All Jewish residency or presence in the Land is a "settlement," with the possible exception of those enclaves of Jews which existed prior to Independence--though we should remember the Hebron Massacre of 1929, and recall that even before the State of Israel had any chance of coming into existence, even these enclaves were considered fit targets for attack by their Arab neighbors.

Whenever I hear or read of a U.S. president -- any U.S. president -- kvetching about "settlements" I want to yell back at him "You are president of a country that SETTLED from Plymouth Rock to Waikiki and called it Manifest Destiny."

267 transient  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #243 buzzsawmonkey

The media typically call "East Jerusalem" "traditionally Arab." It is "traditionally Arab" only because for 19 years Jordan had rendered it judenrein, which is not much of a "tradition."

I have a book on Jerusalem which includes a German aerial recon photo from 1917. You can see the walled city. You can see numerous structures to the northwest (ie, predominantly Jewish neighborhoods), although relatively low density. To the east (those "traditionally Arab areas") there is virtually nothing.

268 bulwrk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:55:30am

“This is a natural reaction,” he said,


Butchering children with an axe is natural for palestinians,

269 lostlakehiker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:59:08am
We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.


What he's saying is that for his side, the rules of war are Hama rules.
Hama rules are to war what no-holds-barred rules are to personal fights. Anything whatsoever goes.

Putting aside the barbarity of it, because the "people occupied" are unlikely to be swayed by appeals to their better nature; (if they had one, they wouldn't be acting like that), have they thought about the possible consequences of a large scale fight with those rules, and only those rules, to moderate it? This is the history of one such war: Settlers vs. Indians

270 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:00:01am

re: #266 Clio

Whenever I hear or read of a U.S. president -- any U.S. president -- kvetching about "settlements" I want to yell back at him "You are president of a country that SETTLED from Plymouth Rock to Waikiki and called it Manifest Destiny."

Most of the people who talk of "settlements" see America as a bad thing and think Europeans should have never landed in the New World. They see the West as evil, fools that they. And as always when these terrorist atrocities are committed:

Hamas Delenda Est.

271 Abu Lahab  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:01:35am

Charles, Al Jihad TV posted this:


"Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a group linked to the Fatah faction led by Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, claimed responsibility in a statement, citing Israeli "crimes of occupation"


This is the "moderate" group, btw! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

272 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:24am

The father of the victims is in Israeli prison serving time for plotting an anti-Arab bomb scare with a fake bomb.

Meanwhile, the murderer of the child is a hometown hero.

273 transient  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:28am

re: #262 Clio

The thing that I wonder about is whether they are really willing to build their lives and futures as Israelis. And if so, will their children be so willing? Or would they really rather want Israel to melt away into an Arab-dominated Palestine?

Maybe I should not have brought up the subject at all.


It is a completely valid concern and there is no reason not to bring it up. Even more so today, when there is evidence that Israeli Arabs are becoming more radicalized or alienated thanks to Hamas and certain anti-Israeli Arab MKs. From what I hear, Arab Israelis do not learn, or are reluctant to learn, many crucial aspects of Jewish/Israeli history, including the Holocaust.

My ancestors did not come to America on the Mayflower. They arrived at the end of the 19th/ beginning of the 20th century. Nevertheless, as an American, colonial /revolutionary American history is still MY history. How can you have any concept of national unity if the populace rejects parts of the history they don't like, or don't feel applies to them personally?

274 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:04:36am

Baruch Dyan Emet...

These stories fill me with atavistic rage. My anger is not just directed at the axe wielding monster. My anger is directed at the glee of the Arab world for such atrocities. Only creatures like Hamas, their many supporters and like minded drooling mobs could possibly call this a good thing, celebrate it and gloat over it.

Everyone be clear for once. We have a culture that celebrates and applauds the axe murder of boys.

I imagine how I would feel if I were one of those boy's father's and I heard some jackal going on about "resistance." Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment? Would the desire to simply kill those animals not overwhelm you in that position? I truly am asking you to think along those lines for a minute. Your son was carved up by a slavering monster and some other slavering monster is speechifying about it - how it was a wonderful thing - how they would get you and your wife and your other kids too if they could.

With that firmly in mind. Consider that Israel has never fought Hamas with the same sorts of tactics that Americans would in this situation. The Israelis are that (I believe too much) restrained.

Suppose that the Mexicans were doing this sort of stuff in Texas - launching rockets, random kidnappings and murders of Americans - suicide bombers - and now also suppose that we got to hear them gloat about it? How long would there be a Mexico? Hell, we wouldn't need to send the army, the Texans would go themselves.

I am trying to make very clear the difference between Israel and any other Western Nation. Going back to the way that the US would treat Mexico, if the Mexicans were like Hamas - the fact is that in any military action, civilians will get killed. The Israelis have a much lower tolerance for that - even in a wholly justified war - then we in America do.

I am not trying to make a call for arms exactly. I am saying that the time will come for decisive military action. Eventually the Arabs will push Israel far enough that the Israelis will just roll over them like the US rolled over Germany or Japan. And let's be really clear, that was total war on our part. When that happens hundreds of thousands of Arabs will get killed.

275 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:04:41am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Most of the people who talk of "settlements" see America as a bad thing and think Europeans should have never landed in the New World. They see the West as evil, fools that they. And as always when these terrorist atrocities are committed:

Hamas Delenda Est.

If they say that to me I'll ask when they're going to give their land to some Native Americans and leave to the country their ancestors came from.

276 gegenkritik  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:05:39am

re: #22 turn

The NYT headline on this story read that an "attacker" did this. spit


See also here: [Link: backspin.typepad.com...]

277 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:09:30am

The WaPo will, no doubt, blame the "right-wing" government's announcement that it will not automatically accept the "two state solution." Had the Israeli public not elected that right-winger Netanyahu, then this poor beleagured Palestinian would not have been compelled to murder a child with an axe.

If anything, this only proves what everyone here already knows - before one is "given" something akin to "statehood," one should be required to prove that one is ready to join the Civilized World as opposed to a land of bloodthirsty savages raised and governed by a religious death cult.

278 transient  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #275 Kosh's Shadow

If they say that to me I'll ask when they're going to give their land to some Native Americans and leave to the country their ancestors came from.


When I was in college, more years ago than I am prepared to admit, I got into a conversation with a guy at a "foreign policy club" and made this very point. That if Israel should evacuate from its territories, so should Americans return to their countries of origin. The idiot agreed.

I should have asked him when he planned to pack, and offered to help; but at the time I was stunned into silent realization that, without any common foundation in reason, there was no further point in discussion.

279 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:11:40am

re: #272 Abu Al-Poopypants

The father of the victims is in Israeli prison serving time for plotting an anti-Arab bomb scare with a fake bomb.

Meanwhile, the murderer of the child is a hometown hero.

And that really is the crux of the whole matter: Israel believes in rights and justice, the Palis in terror and murder.

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Slight correction of misspeak in last post:

Everyone be clear for once. We are dealing with a culture that celebrates and applauds the axe murder of boys.

281 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:16:14am

re: #278 transient

The entire human diaspora was a mistake.

I strongly suggest we all return to various rift valleys in Africa.

Also: Equal Rights for Neanderthals!

282 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:17:20am
283 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:18:06am

re: #281 godfrey

The entire human diaspora was a mistake.

I strongly suggest we all return to various rift valleys in Africa.

Also: Equal Rights for Neanderthals!

The sabre-toothed tigers are complaining that the cavemen are using disproportionate violence and and advanced technology to kill poor innocent tigers just trying to feed their cubs.

284 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:17am
285 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #262 Clio

NO -- THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT I AM WONDERING.
I have no personal mistrust, and my trust has never been misplaced.

The thing that I wonder about is whether they are really willing to build their lives and futures as Israelis. And if so, will their children be so willing? Or would they really rather want Israel to melt away into an Arab-dominated Palestine?

Maybe I should not have brought up the subject at all.

I got an idea. Go ask them, if you dare.

286 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:42am

I, for one, still feel guilty about this whole "homo sapiens" hegemony. I mean, the Neanderthals were French. They were obviously superior, and probably left a lighter carbon footprint.

287 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:22:19am

re: #3 Sharmuta

I hope this mother fucker dies horribly and rots in hell.

Amen Sister

288 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:23:54am

So this despicable murderer is now dead?

289 Defector01  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:26:24am

Putting underwear on terrorists' heads or a leash around their neck is so demeaning and horrible but this is acceptable behavior from the terrorists.

Sometimes I really wonder if civilization is all its cracked up to be

290 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:26:46am
"I saw a boy, aged seven or eight, running past my house," one eyewitness told Israel's Channel 10 news.

"Then I saw a 20-year-old man running after him. I approached him, and he turned and tried to attack me with the axe," he said.

"I heard a little later that somebody tried to shoot him, but missed. I saw murder in his eyes," he said.

Imagine the headlines had the Israeli shooter been successful, and no Israelis were hurt.

291 transient  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:27:07am

re: #286 godfrey

I, for one, still feel guilty about this whole "homo sapiens" hegemony. I mean, the Neanderthals were French. They were obviously superior, and probably left a lighter carbon footprint.

The Neander Valley, where the first remains were identified, and for which the Neanderthals were named, is in Germany, so in prehistoric foreshadowing, the Neanderthals must have been Germans who invaded France. Researchers have raised serious questions about early Neanderthal links to France, as no remains of cheese or wine have been discovered at Neanderthal sites.

292 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:32:27am

re: #291 transient

The Neander Valley, where the first remains were identified, and for which the Neanderthals were named, is in Germany, so in prehistoric foreshadowing, the Neanderthals must have been Germans who invaded France. Researchers have raised serious questions about early Neanderthal links to France, as no remains of cheese or wine have been discovered at Neanderthal sites.

But there have been cave paintings discovered in France that show early French hominids surrendering to German Neanderthals. :D

293 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:36:01am

Just remember:

   this was not terrorism.

This was a man-caused disaster™

</Øbamaspeak>

294 Fran2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:04:09pm

From [Link: thisongoingwar.blogspot.com...]

...As parents of a child murdered by jihadists, and as witnesses to the double-speak that emerged in its wake, we have a vested interest in speaking out about this catastrophic reality and trying to sensitize people to what it means not only to us but to them, their societies and their lives...

295 JustABill  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #181 Eowyn2

axe wielding man - bad

except for the fireman...

296 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:15:01pm

If this had been the other way around, an Israeli attacking two Palestinian boys with an axe, there would be howls around the world and UN condemnation and renewed pressure on Israel to end the "occupation".

I wish Israel would just end this situation and take all of the land and kick anyone out who doesn't like it.....

297 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:24:30pm

re: #296 jimc

You mean act in the same way?

298 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #297 Naso Tang

You mean act in the same way?

Not sure I follow what you're asking?

299 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:34:33pm

re: #298 jimc

Not sure I follow what you're asking?

I didn't think so./

300 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:38:36pm

re: #299 Naso Tang

I didn't think so./

Let me clarify, I'm not sure I want to assume what you're asking, are you referencing my comment about Israel kicking the terrorist cell, also known as the Palestinian people, off their land? If so, then you're conflating terrorists acts with a nation defending itself and expelling hostiles off their land. In case you're still not sure, I'm a zionist and believe the Palestinians have no claim to any of the land they're currently squatting on...and no other nation in the world is demanded to tolerate a hostile force like Israel is expected to do...

301 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #300 jimc

Thanks for that clarification, not that I needed it.

302 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:43:18pm

re: #297 Naso Tang

You mean act in the same way?

So what exactly do you mean? Do you equate Israel expelling a hostile force off their land as the same as an axe murderer attacking kids riding bikes? I don't want to assume anything, so I thought I'd ask for clarification...

303 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:58:45pm

“This attack was committed in the framework of the resistance,” Ayman Taha said. “This is a reaction to the continuing occupation and the continued building of settlements.”

“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. We are a people occupied, and it is our right to defend ourselves and to act in every way and with every means at our disposal in order to defend ourselves.”

By targeting, attacking and killing children? These 'people' are some sick pukes! I regret that I have called them 'people.'

304 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:07:53pm

re: #302 jimc

So what exactly do you mean? Do you equate Israel expelling a hostile force off their land as the same as an axe murderer attacking kids riding bikes? I don't want to assume anything, so I thought I'd ask for clarification...

No I wasn't equating the act of an individual with that. I was equating acts of governments. However if you think that there is no solution other than to retake the land and carry out an ethic cleansing as you seem to suggest then there is no hope for peace, ever.

Whatever opinions we share in terms of how the Palestinians behave, your comments that they have no rights in the land they have always lived in is ridiculous.

The issue here is not their rights to live, it is how they must act in order to do so.

305 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:50:35pm

re: #304 Naso Tang

No I wasn't equating the act of an individual with that. I was equating acts of governments. However if you think that there is no solution other than to retake the land and carry out an ethic cleansing as you seem to suggest then there is no hope for peace, ever.

Whatever opinions we share in terms of how the Palestinians behave, your comments that they have no rights in the land they have always lived in is ridiculous.

The issue here is not their rights to live, it is how they must act in order to do so.

This is a circular argument and is why Israel is forced to bow to the world. Fact is Israel has made many concessions over the years to make peace only to get kicked in the groin afterward. Anyone who thinks there will be peace in the middle-east while Israel still exists is hopelessly clueless. What is ridiculous is that a tiny strip of land that *is* historically and verifiably been inhabited and ruled by Hebrews for thousands of years is too much for the world and the very large neighboring Arab countries to bear. What was once called Palestine also includes land now occupied and controlled by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Those countries aren't being forced to give up any of their vast land for a Palestinian state, why is it that Israel must?

Israel constantly is being attacked and vilified for justly responding to those attacks, at what point would we say enough is enough and go to war for keeps? We would *never* tolerate what the Israelis are asked to tolerate...

306 Twilight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:10:29pm

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307 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:24pm
Whatever opinions we share in terms of how the Palestinians behave, your comments that they have no rights in the land they have always lived in is ridiculous.

You're falling for their propaganda. The majority of the "Palestinians" were kicked out of places like Jordan and Syria. There has been a Jewish presence in that area since long before Mohammad.

308 yochanan  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:26:50pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

is avanti the NODROG Sock puppie?

309 wiffersnapper  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:28pm

Religion of Peace. Give this man his 72 star-trek geeks virgins

310 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:51:00pm

As long as they refer to "occupied Palestine," I'm going to demand the return of occupied Constantinople.

311 BLBfootballs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:40pm
“This is a natural reaction,” he said, “especially against the backdrop of Israel attacks. "

Why of course! Palestinians are "naturally" serial murderers of children. You must understand, it's just in their nature.

I'm starting to agree.

312 tobariv  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:44:14pm

We have let the Arabs rewrite history (and the left) far too long. We need to repeat over and over there is no 2 state solution because guess what, there never was historically a Palestinian people. This was invented in 1967 and it needs to stop. What kind of "people" applaud the brutal murder of children? What's wrong with our new govt.? We need to recognize that our country as well as Europe is in danger. Whether there is" peace " in the middle east or not. Arafat formed the PLO in 1963 when the (British invented Govt )of Jordan was in control of what is now called the west bank.

313 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:51:22pm

re: #305 jimc

You are moving the goalposts. We were talking of what you seemed to advocate, ethnic cleansing. That has no end either.

I am with you in the broader picture. Palestinians, and Arabs in general, have created a vile culture symbolized by Hamas, and Arafat before. But I maintain that many of them are ignorant pawns.

Your ultimate solution, at least as you seemed to describe it, is no less vile.

There are plenty of Palestinians who could have a decent society. Unfortunately they are a minority, but I speak with some knowledge because I have employed them and I know of at least one and his family, who I don't believe was unique, that risked his life not only for me personally after the invasion of Kuwait, but also helped our forces determine where the Iraqis were entrenched in Kuwait. I know of others who probably would have done the same.

The point is, there is a difference between the predominant culture and individuals within it. You don't seem to be able to see that, nor think how to change the status quo without resorting to what most of us, I at least, would consider obscene acts.

314 jimc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:30:36pm

re: #313 Naso Tang

I know you have a desire to spar with me cause of our entanglements in other threads but you really don't have to do it here on this subject. If you read what I said again maybe you'll see the part where I said "kick anyone out who doesn't like it....." Where did I say ethnic cleansing? Perhaps I need to be absolutely to the letter clear on every comment...but you appear to be reading more into what I actually commented. I'm sure there are plenty of Palestinian people who are good and decent and would simply like to live their lives without war, but a good majority do not want peace and never will allow it. Only solution then for Israel, since I am squarely on their side, would be to fully take over the land and anyone who fights is the enemy, anyone who doesn't can stay, but the status quo has failed and it is bad for the Palestinians who want peace and it is absolutely bad for Israel's sovereignty. As long as there is a facade of "peace", Israel will be forced to accept continued aggression and attacks and constant fear.

Frankly, I question why you would call it ethnic cleansing when clearly Israel has just cause for all out war. Israel has been taking it on the chin ever since they were given statehood once again, how much longer would you live under constant threat of rocket attacks, suicide bombings, etc...

I advocate Israel taking over the land forcefully, engaging *any* who take up arms, and forcing those who do not act to live in peace out of the land...

315 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:54:59pm

re: #314 jimc

I know you have a desire to spar with me cause of our entanglements in other threads but you really don't have to do it here on this subject. If you read what I said again maybe you'll see the part where I said "kick anyone out who doesn't like it....." Where did I say ethnic cleansing? Perhaps I need to be absolutely to the letter clear on every comment...but you appear to be reading more into what I actually commented.

Alright, I accept your clarification in intent, but in words I see no way that your statement would lead to anything different, whether you intended that or not.


I'm sure there are plenty of Palestinian people who are good and decent and would simply like to live their lives without war, but a good majority do not want peace and never will allow it.

And they won't because the other Arab states, let alone many of their own, won't let them. That has been evident for a long time.


Only solution then for Israel, since I am squarely on their side, would be to fully take over the land and anyone who fights is the enemy, anyone who doesn't can stay, but the status quo has failed and it is bad for the Palestinians who want peace and it is absolutely bad for Israel's sovereignty. As long as there is a facade of "peace", Israel will be forced to accept continued aggression and attacks and constant fear.

But what you advocate is nothing different from what was the status quo going back to 67, or whenever it was. That didn't work out either, and I am not above being critical of Israel for giving the others the ammunition that has kept this going, and getting worse. I refer to the settlement programs in particular going back to the 70's, that were done under the front of "defensive" lines. I remember the arguments then. Defensive lines composed of settlers with families?

Frankly, I question why you would call it ethnic cleansing when clearly Israel has just cause for all out war. Israel has been taking it on the chin ever since they were given statehood once again, how much longer would you live under constant threat of rocket attacks, suicide bombings, etc...

I am fully behind response to attack, and in no way in a "proportional" manner. That term has cost us also many lives, at least going back to Vietnam.


I advocate Israel taking over the land forcefully, engaging *any* who take up arms, and forcing those who do not act to live in peace out of the land...

I hope you realize that that is no solution; just history repeating itself and worse, it in effect means a one state solution with a hostile sector of the population breading like rabbits. Cynically speaking, that might be the Palestinian's best hope, because it would mean the equivalent of the "right to return" accomplished by other means, and all they need is a generation or two to accomplish it.

However you did also say that the Palestinians had no claim to land. Now which part can be debated, but perhaps that was also something you did not clarify fully?

316 rumcrook  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 8:40:35pm

I just left a restuarant /bar where I had dinner with my wife and daughter, and they had karioki.

I ended up singing will smiths just the two of us to my two year old daughter. I had a couple drafts with my meal, which facilitated it. feeling a love for my daughter so all encompassing that I would do anything to protect her.

and I mean anything.

if I extended my love of my child outward to all the children of my culture /group/nation what ever you want to call it, with equal ferocity of which the palistinians spread hate,

and I was Netanyahu I would spread death among the palistinians the likes of which they have never experienced like the angel of death without the hint of remorse or mercy and there would be wailing and nashing of teeth among the arabs who call themselves palistinians that would shake them and thier death cult to the very foundation leaving them with the choice of dying to the last one or finnaly rejecting thier death cult.

and if they still chose death I would give it to them god have mercy on my soul.

317 tobariv  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 8:55:18pm

Oh my. Back to that negative rewritten connotation of those awful settlements. You need to read "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. The land of Israel was desolate and rebuilt,period. She will give you the U.N. documents to prove it. The lies have been repeated so often that it's just acceptable to blame the "settlers" and the "settlements". Again it really is time to correct the propaganda.

318 tobariv  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:11:59pm

re: #315 Naso Tang

Not only do I suggest that you read Joan Peters' book but I also suggest you check out the "settlements" and see how these people have built up barren land. It gets really old listening to people scapegoating the settlers. These people are heroes.


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