Romney: Don’t Wish for Obama to Fail

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Mitt Romney is obviously a RINO trying to split the GOP and subvert the cause of conservatism.

Yes, that’s sarcasm, based on the copious insults directed against LGF for saying the same things: Romney: Don’t root for Obama to fail.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) said Wednesday that Republicans shouldn’t oppose President Obama as a reflex and should praise him when he succeeds.

Speaking at the National Republican Senatorial Committee’s (NRSC) spring dinner, Romney was thick on criticism of Obama, but also said Republicans shouldn’t root against the man Romney might well face in the 2012 presidential election.

After offering a few choice words for Obama’s early conduct in office, Romney suggested it’s OK to hope things go well under the new president.

“I also think its important for us to nod to the president when he’s right,” Romney said. “He will not always be wrong.”

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655 comments
1 Outrider  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:12:14pm

Can't say as I wish all his policies would succeed

2 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:12:47pm

The man who should be the POTUS

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:12:55pm

...he said, shaking his head...

4 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:14:02pm

Romney ought to be our President.

5 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #1 Outrider

Can't say as I wish all his policies would succeed

I dont want Obama to fail.

I just expect him to based on reality.

6 DisturbedEma  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:14:22pm

Can I hope for him to be somebody else?

7 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:14:40pm

a little political diplomacy...probably not a bad idea really considering that by 2012 there will be a bunch of left sided votes up for grabs

8 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:14:57pm
After offering a few choice words for Obama’s early conduct in office, Romney suggested it’s OK to hope things go well under the new president.

“I also think its important for us to nod to the president when he’s right,” Romney said. “He will not always be wrong.”

Mitt is gracious.

And smart. No DNC ads twisting his words.

9 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:15:20pm

Don't nod out waiting to nod your head though

10 RaiderDan  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:15:30pm

I don't wish for Obama to fail.

I want the Americans to see that his policies WILL fail and correct themselves appropriately.

11 jorline  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:16:02pm

I didn't cross over during the Texas primary and vote for Hillary.

My vote was for Romney.

12 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:16:21pm

Romney's polite to a fault sometimes. Hey, you have to be to get along, and elected, in Massachusetts.

He's being pragmatic.

Still, three months on now and the left is still taking what Rush said out of context.

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:16:23pm

Note that Romney is NOT saying you can't criticize Obama. He's saying -- and I totally agree -- that it's mean-spirited and petty to wish for him to fail and reflexively hate him for everything he does.

14 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:16:30pm

re: #11 jorline

I didn't cross over during the Texas primary and vote for Hillary.

My vote was for Romney.

Woot!

15 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:16:45pm

re: #11 jorline

I didn't cross over during the Texas primary and vote for Hillary.

My vote was for Romney.

HOW COULD YOU? THE MAN IS A MORMON! HE'S UNELECTABLE!

/MSM

16 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:17:00pm

I keep saying we should not mock or persecute voters and pundits suffering remorse....conservatives will need those votes even as soon as 2010...plug yer nose and welcome them into the fold

17 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:17:49pm
“He will not always be wrong.”

Even a stopped clock....

18 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:18:00pm

Sorry to go OT so early in a thread but this is so freakin delicious! Haggling with the Stars...

Karma's a bitch ain't it?

19 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:18:14pm
Romney suggested it’s OK to hope things go well under the new president.

I certainly hope things go well.

I don't hope that Obama's plans go well. (Or at least, certainly not all of them.)

20 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:18:29pm

"and should praise him when he succeeds."

Yo, O way to go! F'ed us where the sun don't show!

there, I praised his success...

21 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:18:59pm

re: #8 loppyd

Mitt is gracious.

And smart. No DNC ads twisting his words.

Oh, you just wait...

22 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:19:01pm

Romney is a class act in my book. Republican's would be wise to take his words to heart.

23 lifeofthemind  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:19:05pm

1. wishing and praying are two different things
2. since the scale is about 9 to 1 against so far I don't think to much energy has to wasted looking for the good news
3. Obama is a most uncivil servant, not Sovereign, we can hope the country succeeds and hope that everything he wants in his agenda he fails to achieve.

24 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:19:41pm

By the time I got to vote in the primary, all that was left was Romney to vote for against McCain.

And that strange dude from West Texas, name escapes me right now.

25 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:19:44pm

Mitt Romney is proof you can be nice in politics, and respected. A decent American politician I am proud of.

I loved that he didn't stoop to smear any of his fellow GOP competitors, but ran clean and energetically, on his OWN DIME.

Once at a St. Patrick's Day event in Boston, he took the stage to boos from democrats including a very sick looking, convalescing Sen. Kerry (prostate surgery?).

Mitt turned the hostile crowd of democrats around. He is such a decent guy but tough too.

26 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:02pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

I certainly hope things go well.

I don't hope that Obama's plans go well. (Or at least, certainly not all of them.)

Things will go well if 0bama's plans don't go well

27 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #22 Ringo the Gringo

Romney is a class act in my book. Republican's would be wise to take his words to heart.

We could do a lot worse.

Oh wait, we did.

28 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:22pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Romney's polite to a fault sometimes. Hey, you have to be to get along, and elected, in Massachusetts.

He's being pragmatic.

Still, three months on now and the left is still taking what Rush said out of context.

He's got more class in his pinkie finger than Barry has in his entire body.

29 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:23pm

I can't believe that so many willfully ignore the context and outright statements of this concept as Rush described it, apparently so they can feign outrage over a misstated version of it.

Anyone who cares to know, realizes that Rush wants Obama's efforts to implement socialist/fascist (take your pick) policies to fail .... not America, not Obama's efforts to implement conservative ideas, as few of those as there may be.

Seems a more than a bit disingenuous to me.

Was Rush a bit of a "bomb-thrower" here? Yep .... and now everyone is discussing it.

30 jones  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:24pm

I want a fair and even handed examination of his policies by citizens of good will.

I doubt I'll get it, but I want it.

31 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:29pm
but also said Republicans shouldn’t root against the man

Certainly not in the Australian sense, anyway.

32 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:20:43pm

the 'wish he fails' thing is just splitting hairs...Rush said all there was to say about it weeks ago...I hope socialism, huge govt, increased taxation and gutting the DoD fails as policy....

33 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:12pm

I agree.

Look what happened to us Jews for 2000 years.

34 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Oh, you just wait...

I know - what am I smoking?

35 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #16 albusteve

I keep saying we should not mock or persecute voters and pundits suffering remorse....conservatives will need those votes even as soon as 2010...plug yer nose and welcome them into the fold

* * *
Amen, brother. That's the SMART, THINKING person's approach to winning. We need reasonable people to agree.

36 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:41pm
Romney then offered some backhanded encouragement for Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, whom some Republicans have called on to resign.

“He’s exhausted alternatives, and I think he’s finally getting close to the right answer,” Romney said.

I guess there's a nice way and a mean way to criticize. I'll have to work on my backhand.

37 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:53pm
38 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:53pm

Well, Obama has just turned over billions that we don't have to the IMF, he is spending money so fast that it is guaranteed to cause serious inflation. He is pushing our debt over our GDP which means that our currency is just paper. Carbon tax, income tax, inheritance tax, tax tax.... I am going to have to work until they carry me out in a pine box to pay for his stupidity.

It seems that Obama sure wants me to fail. The country as well.

39 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:53pm

I hopes he fails in his plan nationalize health care.

40 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #32 albusteve

the 'wish he fails' thing is just splitting hairs...Rush said all there was to say about it weeks ago...I hope socialism, huge govt, increased taxation and gutting the DoD fails as policy....

So does Mitt. He will just articulate it differently.

41 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:22:02pm

I think he nailed it. Say kind words about the things you agree with, while fighting those you disagree with. To do otherwise, just makes you seem bitter and petty. i.e. praise the increase in the defense budget while speaking out against pork in the rest of the budget.

42 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:22:23pm

I want Obama to fail on most of his domestic policies and in destroying the economy.

So long as he supports our military, I want him to succeed there.

I want him to fail badly come the midterm elections and in his re-election bid.

Otherwise, he's fair game to goof on. The Bush-haters have a lot of payback coming, but I plan to do it with humor, not irrational hatred and pettiness. He's providing plenty of material, which is a good thing.

43 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:22:40pm

re: #28 loppyd

He's got more class in his pinkie finger than Barry has in his entire body.

Let alone Ann Romney versus Michelle Obama. No contest.

44 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:11pm

"He will not always be wrong." Um, what has he done right?

Biden said the new administration would make mistakes before any decisions had been made. Think about it. Admitting incompetence ahead of the fact is a striking foretelling. None of us wanted to believe it. But here we are.

Romney sounds like another rear end smoocher. IMHO

45 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:19pm

Pssst!

he's a Mormon.

The MSM won't let him win.

46 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:26pm

re: #40 loppyd

So does Mitt. He will just articulate it differently.

he's campaigning...

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:31pm

re: #33 Ben Hur

Look what happened to us Jews for 2000 years.

Wait! Your Jewish?

48 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:36pm

Gosh, Romney said exactly what Rush has said!

Most of us have said regarding the Messiah: we know who he is, we know what he wants to do, and we want him to fail on those things.

If he somehow grows a brain or gets a more conservative teleprompter, we will want him to succeed.

49 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:23:56pm

BBL

50 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:08pm

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Your Jewish?

... what? His Jewish what?

51 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:18pm

Mitt may very well be your president if it weren't for the unholy pact between McCain and Huckabee.

52 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #41 avanti

I think he nailed it. Say kind words about the things you agree with, while fighting those you disagree with. To do otherwise, just makes you seem bitter and petty. i.e. praise the increase in the defense budget while speaking out against pork in the rest of the budget.

go fix a hinge

53 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:47pm

Mitt, too late. Obama has already failed this country.

54 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #46 albusteve

he's campaigning...

So what, at least he is not holding office and campaigning,like someone else we all know.

55 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:24:58pm

re: #46 albusteve

he's campaigning...

I know! It gives me the warm fuzzies.

56 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #26 soxfan4life

Things will go well if 0bama's plans don't go well

* * * *
But if Obama looks like a laughing stock loser to the world, that endangers all of us.

Allies and investors foreign & domestic will abandon us in droves, when we need their good will, support and faith to prosper.

57 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:25:08pm

But... but... but... I want my ODS!

/Oh wow, even acting like a moonbat makes me feel all icky.

58 varmint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:25:23pm

here's an awkward metaphor, but bear with me.


say the guy next door invites you to a fish fry this weekend. sounds great. he talks about all these recipes, and how it will bring everybody in the neighborhood together.

friday morning you see him loading a net and a 50 gallon oil drum into the back of his pick up. he plans to dump the oil in the pond and scoop up the fish.


now, you are really looking forward to that fish fry. but do really still want him to succeed?

59 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:25:42pm

re: #54 soxfan4life

So what, at least he is not holding office and campaigning,like someone else we all know.

fine with me

60 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:25:52pm

Hasta la vista.

61 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:26:16pm

re: #56 alegrias

* * * *
But if Obama looks like a laughing stock loser to the world, that endangers all of us.

Allies and investors foreign & domestic will abandon us in droves, when we need their good will, support and faith to prosper.

No. We don't.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #50 Occasional Reader

shit.

63 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #51 loppyd

Mitt may very well be your president if it weren't for the unholy pact between McCain and Huckabee.

E X A C T L Y ! You got my +1 for that

Not to mention how McCain lied about Romney and Iraq timetables in the FL primaries which cost him there as well. Romney would have chewed up Barry and spit out little kernels of hopeandchange in every debate. *sigh*

64 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:26:39pm

re: #59 albusteve

fine with me

It will be a great day in our history when the play "Hail to the Chief" and President Romney emerges.

65 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:27:11pm

Romney is saying what just about every Conservative has been saying.
The word "fail" is the maguffin, but the reality of our American system is that "checks" (failures enforced by Constitutional mechanisms) are essential.
There is no "Patriotic" aspect to wanting a politician's initiatives to fail or not.
I wanted Obama's campaign to fail. I wanted his quadrupling of the National Debt to fail, I want his acquiescence to our enemies to fail. The mechanism to effect that failure is a combination of voices and votes. I'm not one bit ashamed to wish for Obama to fail in both his agenda and his political career.
If I had any doubt that his path might be the right one, I'd give hiim time before I decided whether I wanted him to fail or succeed, but I'm at the distinct disadvantage of having read his books and speeches, so the "benefit of the doubt" ship has long sailed.
Fail, baby, fail.

66 Jack Burton  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:27:45pm

re: #51 loppyd

Mitt may very well be your president if it weren't for the unholy pact between McCain and Huckabee.

Beware the republican socialist Huckabee, for he is the demos pawn. Let him not into your primaries...

67 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:27:52pm

re: #64 soxfan4life

It will be a great day in our history when the play "Hail to the Chief" and President Romney emerges.

I grew up in MI and we all had a very high regard for the old man....back before the 'downfall'....Mitt is probably even smarter

68 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:28:00pm

re: #45 Ben Hur

Pssst!

he's a Mormon.

The MSM won't let him win.

And golly gee, them thar Mormons think Jesus and the devil are brothers, right?

/Huckabee

69 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:28:53pm

re: #41 avanti

I think he nailed it. Say kind words about the things you agree with, while fighting those you disagree with. To do otherwise, just makes you seem bitter and petty. i.e. praise the increase in the defense budget while speaking out against pork in the rest of the budget.

* * * *
Avanti, I really disagreed with Obama's to shaft military veterans health care benefits. And I'm disappointed with Obama's plan to put GITMO enemy combatants in my neighborhood--I can see the jihadist's future jail from my balcony and don't like it one bit.

70 Emerald  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:28:56pm

Too bad the bigots in the party worked so hard against Romney. He was probably the most qualified of any of the candidates, and definitely the most qualified to deal with economic issues.

71 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #63 tedzilla99

E X A C T L Y ! You got my +1 for that

Not to mention how McCain lied about Romney and Iraq timetables in the FL primaries which cost him there as well. Romney would have chewed up Barry and spit out little kernels of hopeandchange in every debate. *sigh*

I think it had more to do with the idiots calling the Mormons an "evil cult".

72 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:28:59pm

After what we have in office right now ... if I hear one person say anything about "we cannot elect a Mormon" ... I will probably go off on them ... you listening Huckleberry ...

73 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:29:22pm

if great hair was the determining factor, Mitt would indeed be president...

74 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:29:49pm

re: #30 jones

I want a fair and even handed examination of his policies by citizens of good will.

I doubt I'll get it, but I want it.

(yawn)

75 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:00pm

re: #66 ArchangelMichael

Beware the republican socialist Huckabee, for he is the demos pawn. Let him not into your primaries...

He's a tool and a fool.

I think the bloom is off.

76 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:03pm

Wouldn't it be nice if the best interest of the American people and the American nation were the end goal of all politicians?

Yeah, I know, but a girl can dream...

(Um, okay, I don't technically fit into the category of girl anymore, but it reads better that way.)

77 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:26pm
"I also think its important for us to nod to the president when he’s right"

Agreed. I'll do it when I see something.

78 teleskiguy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:27pm

Watch Mitt's speech he gave when he bowed out of the presidential race.

79 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #73 albusteve

if great hair was the determining factor, Mitt would indeed be president...

God, I wish I had his hair.. If I had Romney hair I would be invincible.

80 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:38pm

re: #67 albusteve

I grew up in MI and we all had a very high regard for the old man....back before the 'downfall'....Mitt is probably even smarter

Don't know anything about the old man, but Mitt is pretty smart. Of course being a Republican in MA, he got 0 support from the state legislature, thus we were stuck with state mandated health care under Mitt's watch. But after 2 years of Deval Patrick, Romney is the bomb..

81 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:44pm

re: #52 albusteve

go fix a hinge

Hinge is fixed, but thanks. Good news though, I'll be a the casino for most of Fri and Sat and won't be bothering you.

82 wiffersnapper  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:30:55pm

Romeny 2012!

83 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:15pm
84 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:22pm

mitt is an smart elegant gentleman. a smooth politician. this is his style. i appreciate what he is saying. i understand that it is easier to reach people w/ calm logic.

i'm also not throwing rush under the bus. we have a lot of crude aggressive ugly opponents and rush's wit and wisdom help to back them down.
his statement wishing o to fail is obviously abt. o's dangerous leftist plans for
america. he really did explain this.

85 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:29pm

re: #79 Boxy_brown

God, I wish I had his hair.. If I had Romney hair I would be invincible.

How quickly you forget Blago.

86 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:36pm

re: #53 Perplexed

Mitt, too late. Obama has already failed this country.

* * * *
You conveniently forget Obama can do no wrong for half the country, or at least the 25% that bothered to vote for Obama while half the country didn't bother to vote.

87 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:51pm

Right about here in the thread is where one of ya's should place Mandy's lines about I hope you're happy now...

88 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #81 avanti

Beware cars of red.

89 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:32:17pm

re: #75 loppyd

He's a tool and a fool.

I think the bloom is off.

The only reason Huckleberry made any noise is because of his staunch support of the FairTax. If a serious GOP candidate would take it as an issue, it's a layup to the WH.

90 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:32:51pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How quickly you forget Blago.

I actually could have Blagos hair.... $44.95 plus shipping.

91 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:22pm

Again, regarding Romney, it's all about "the fold". Conservatives are very picky about who they let into the fold, culling the unworthy until they have not a base, but a fractured, shattered mess. Liberals will let anybody with any view whatsoever into their fold, no matter how nuts, and they have a bigger "tent" as a result.

I'm don't have a solution.

92 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:27pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How quickly you forget Blago.

That hair was a Blagomination.

93 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:30pm

re: #81 avanti

Hinge is fixed, but thanks. Good news though, I'll be a the casino for most of Fri and Sat and won't be bothering you.

you over estimate yourself...hurry back

94 rusty_armor  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:31pm
"Don't root for Obama to fail"

Yeah. Why root for the obvious.

95 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #61 pink freud

No. We don't.

* * * *
Guess you missed how much in US Treasury bonds the Chinese hold, or how other countries including Mexico & Canada, buy our goods & services?

We need "Brand USA" to be positive, not a loser like during the Carter years.

96 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:05pm

re: #90 Boxy_brown

I actually could have Blagos hair.... $44.95 plus shipping.

Well, you can't expect him just to give it away, can you?

97 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:19pm

re: #82 wiffersnapper

Romeny 2012!

I think Rudy would be shakin' the world up right now by slashing taxes to save the economy and meetin' with Netanyahu about taking out Iran's nukes. Mitt would do the former, but the latter?

98 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:21pm

re: #76 EmmmieG

Wouldn't it be nice if the best interest of the American people and the American nation were the end goal of all politicians?

Yeah, I know, but a girl can dream...

(Um, okay, I don't technically fit into the category of girl anymore, but it reads better that way.)

You can be a girl until you turn into a guy. Somebody has to make up for all the feminists calling 9 year olds "women" all through the 70s.

99 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:43pm

re: #91 Taqiyyotomist

Again, regarding Romney, it's all about "the fold". Conservatives are very picky about who they let into the fold, culling the unworthy until they have not a base, but a fractured, shattered mess. Liberals will let anybody with any view whatsoever into their fold, no matter how nuts, and they have a bigger "tent" as a result.

I'm don't have a solution.

I think it's more that establishment 'progressive' GOPers kept him out. I don't think most conservatives had a problem with Romney, especially stacked up against Rudy and McCain.

100 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:34:55pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, you can't expect him just to give it away, can you?

He'll be giving lots of things away once he hits prison.

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:35:09pm

re: #91 Taqiyyotomist

Again, regarding Romney, it's all about "the fold". Conservatives are very picky about who they let into the fold, culling the unworthy until they have not a base, but a fractured, shattered mess. Liberals will let anybody with any view whatsoever into their fold, no matter how nuts, and they have a bigger "tent" as a result.

I'm don't have a solution.

Just my opinion, but the Dem's get away with it because the MSM doesn't call them on it, doesn't expose them on it.

102 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #90 Boxy_brown

I actually could have Blagos hair.... $44.95 plus shipping.

good one....

103 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:35:40pm

re: #91 Taqiyyotomist

Again, regarding Romney, it's all about "the fold". Conservatives are very picky about who they let into the fold, culling the unworthy until they have not a base, but a fractured, shattered mess. Liberals will let anybody with any view whatsoever into their fold, no matter how nuts, and they have a bigger "tent" as a result.

I'm don't have a solution.

/Well, maybe we could run on issues?

104 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:35:41pm

I'm sorry. What were we talking about?

Oh. Obama. Right. I don't wish for Obama to fail. At all. I just pray that any sane member of our state and federal governments try their hardest to mitigate the damage he's causing. This is like Captain Queeg on The Caine Mutiny. He asked for the officers' help and they refused. I think we would be remiss and very hypocritical if we did not do everything in our power to see our country succeed. Nobody even read my post. You guys are still looking at Cintia Dicker.

105 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:36:11pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Watch Mitt's speech he gave when he bowed out of the presidential race.

People were crying in that CPAC audience.

I was crying at my desk.

106 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:36:12pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

You can be a girl until you turn into a guy. Somebody has to make up for all the feminists calling 9 year olds "women" all through the 70s.

I thought it was the Islamists that mistook 9 year old girls for women.

107 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:36:21pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
Guess you missed how much in US Treasury bonds the Chinese hold, or how other countries including Mexico & Canada, buy our goods & services?

We need "Brand USA" to be positive, not a loser like during the Carter years.

Pushing our debt over our GDP is not good branding, or good for t-bill sales.

108 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:36:55pm

re: #97 unrealizedviewpoint

I think Rudy would be shakin' the world up right now by slashing taxes to save the economy and meetin' with Netanyahu about taking out Iran's nukes. Mitt would do the former, but the latter?

Romney on Israel

"Today, America faces a number of critical challenges. In my view, at the top of the list is the threat of radical, violent Jihad and the associated threat of nuclear proliferation.

"I think many of us, including some of our leaders, fail to comprehend the extent of this threat. Take former President Jimmy Carter. President Carter thinks that Israel's security fence is the thing that keeps peace from coming to the Holy Land.

"Having just been to Israel, I came to the opposite conclusion: the security fence keeps peace in Israel - it's helping - that fence is helping prevent bloodshed and terror and violence.

"What Jimmy Carter fails to understand is what so many fail to understand. Whether it's Hamas or Hezbollah; Al Qaeda or Shia and Sunni extremists, there is an overarching goal among the violent Jihadists - and it transcends borders and boundaries. That goal is to replace all modern Islamic states with a religious caliphate, to destroy Israel, to cause the collapse of the West and the United States, and to conquer the entire world.

109 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:36:57pm

re: #93 albusteve

you over estimate yourself...hurry back

We are over a 100 posts so OT: Steve..A buddy of mine cut me a DVd of everything he had of Delbert McClinton.. Whoa..That guy is really good.Have you heard him?

110 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #97 unrealizedviewpoint

I think Rudy would be shakin' the world up right now by slashing taxes to save the economy and meetin' with Netanyahu about taking out Iran's nukes. Mitt would do the former, but the latter?

Definitely.

111 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #66 ArchangelMichael

Beware the republican socialist Huckabee, for he is the demos pawn. Let him not into your primaries...

* * * *
Huckabee's a populist ham, not a dem prawn.

112 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:37:36pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
Guess you missed how much in US Treasury bonds the Chinese hold, or how other countries including Mexico & Canada, buy our goods & services?

We need "Brand USA" to be positive, not a loser like during the Carter years.

Yes, but you didn't say anything about brand USA. You said "Allies and investors foreign & domestic will abandon us in droves, when we need their good will, support and faith to prosper."

Sorry, I am not a fan of the whole globalization movement.

113 jaunte  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:37:55pm

Your Tax dollars at work:
U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services advises us that these are tough times...

Getting Through Tough Economic Times


Possible Health Risks

Economic turmoil (e.g., increased unemployment, foreclosures, loss of investments and other financial distress) can result in a whole host of negative health effects - both physical and mental. It can be particularly devastating to your emotional and mental well-being. Although each of us is affected differently by economic troubles, these problems can add tremendous stress, which in turn can substantially increase the risk for developing such problems as:

* Depression
* Anxiety
* Compulsive Behaviors (over-eating, excessive gambling, spending, etc.)
* Substance Abuse


[Link: www.samhsa.gov...]

Watch out in the casinos.

114 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:13pm

I want America succeed, If that means Obama failing, so be it.
Its not out of spite, or contempt.
If he is doing the right thing I will throw my support behind him and cheer him on 100 percent, but if his policies are bad for my nation he can expect me to fight tooth and nail.
I will not goose step for any one.

115 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:18pm

mitt is so much smarter and more experienced than the hack totus we have
messing up our country now.

116 Irenike  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:25pm

I wonder if, after four years of Obama, all those conservatives who had a problem with Romney's Mormonism are still going to have a problem with it. Romney would be awesome in a debate against the President O, especially on economic issues. Romney would actually know what a price-earnings ratio is (not a "profit-earnings ratio" as Obama called it.)

Hey, Charles, thank you for posting this about Romney. I am happy to know there are many conservatives who can walk the line between criticizing President O without succumbing to Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Thank you also for your postings about the anti-vaccination kooks. They among the more dangerous anti-science types, because their actions have real consequences, not just for their own children, but for everybody else's children as well.

117 tedzilla99  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:28pm

re: #111 alegrias

* * * *
Huckabee's a populist ham, not a dem prawn.

mmmm surf and turf :)

118 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:37pm

“He’s exhausted alternatives, and I think he’s finally getting close to the right answer,” Romney said.

What he meant to say was that he has done absolutely everything wrong and that the odds are that he sooner of later he'll so inadvertently something right.

119 S'latch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:38pm

To the extent President Obama wants to socialize our health care system, weaken our military, soften our foreign policy positions, etc., I want President Obama to fail.

When he is right, of course I will nod and hope he succeeds.

This is not the same thing as reflexive opposition. There is nothing wrong with hoping that President Obama fails in misguided efforts to take our nation in a leftward direction.

If President Obama desires to turn the ship of state in an unwise direction, what is wrong in stating that you hope he fails to turn it?

Is it because someone might twist your words to make it sound like you want your country to fail?

120 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:38:58pm

re: #109 HoosierHoops

Good stuff.

121 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:01pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

Just my opinion, but the Dem's get away with it because the MSM doesn't call them on it, doesn't expose them on it.

You're right. zombie's work shows us that. The MSM exploit every possible conflict within the Republican party base, throughout the election, without ever mentioning the disparate groups of utter, complete wackos that inhabit the Democrat party. I'm betting most average D voters haven't a clue how many completely nuts people are in their party...but if they do, they don't mind. Common hatred of conservatism and Bush is all they need. Oh, and, OF COURSE, support for rampant, hedonistic sex with no consequences. I mean abortion.

122 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:11pm

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

I thought it was the Islamists that mistook 9 year old girls for women.

Hmmmm, something they have in common...

123 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:16pm

re: #109 HoosierHoops

We are over a 100 posts so OT: Steve..A buddy of mine cut me a DVd of everything he had of Delbert McClinton.. Whoa..That guy is really good.Have you heard him?

oh yeah....Delbert is a monster over in Texas...everybody knows him and when he does gigs in Austin you'd think the Stones were in town...Delberts cool

124 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:18pm

I like Romney. He wasn't my first choice for the GOP nomination for President, but he's a solid citizen. Definitely cabinet quality. Secretary of the Treasury, perhaps. Honest. Smart about money and business. A family guy.

I supported Giuliani in the GOP primary, mostly because he had better positions on foreign policy than Romney. Either of them would have been better candidates than McCain. With 20-20 hindsight, given the economic crisis, Romney probably would have been the best.

125 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:45pm

re: #88 pink freud

Beware cars of red.

Thanks. BTW Afro, we're just pulling your leg, come back. :)

126 hazzyday  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:39:46pm

Romney is saying don't act like a low life kos kid.

127 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:02pm

re: #109 HoosierHoops

That's MISTER Delbert McClinton.

128 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:07pm

It's all in the specifics. Unfortunately, there are some things at which Obama is going to have to fail for the US to succeed. And I'm rooting for the US.

When the US took out a bunch of Taliban the other day I applauded Obama for not changing Bush's policies to ones of proven failure. Good for him.

129 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:24pm

re: #119 Lawrence Schmerel

To the extent President Obama wants to socialize our health care system, weaken our military, soften our foreign policy positions, etc., I want President Obama to fail.

When he is right, of course I will nod and hope he succeeds.

This is not the same thing as reflexive opposition. There is nothing wrong with hoping that President Obama fails in misguided efforts to take our nation in a leftward direction.

If President Obama desires to turn the ship of state in an unwise direction, what is wrong in stating that you hope he fails to turn it?

Is it because someone might twist your words to make it sound like you want your country to fail?

How many will suffer because of his ... on the job training ... I realize that not one person can be totally prepared to be President ... but there have been so many who were at least prepared to step up to the plate ... Obama ... totally minor league rookie ...

130 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:25pm

re: #118 father_of_10

“He’s exhausted alternatives, and I think he’s finally getting close to the right answer,” Romney said.

What he meant to say was that he has done absolutely everything wrong and that the odds are that he sooner of later he'll so inadvertently something right.

/inadvertently resign?

131 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:35pm

re: #124 quickjustice

I like Romney. He wasn't my first choice for the GOP nomination for President, but he's a solid citizen. Definitely cabinet quality. Secretary of the Treasury, perhaps. Honest. Smart about money and business. A family guy.

I supported Giuliani in the GOP primary, mostly because he had better positions on foreign policy than Romney. Either of them would have been better candidates than McCain. With 20-20 hindsight, given the economic crisis, Romney probably would have been the best.

And he might have Won!

132 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #130 brookly red

/inadvertently resign?

At least that would be doing something right.

133 flbob10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:40:57pm

eu tu mitt

134 hazzyday  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:41:18pm

I supported Romney when it was his turn at the running helm, but he still came across as kinda of bland and stiff. He did have a good knowledge of how to govern. But he also seemed very big government.

135 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:41:23pm

re: #111 alegrias

* * * *
Huckabee's a populist ham, not a dem prawn.

but he is squirrely.

136 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #83 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Fox New Corp. needs a letter writing, e-mail, faxing of 10,000,000
asking them to can Huckafoney ass and his two-bit band.

* * *
C'mon, TFK
Fox will can Huckabee's show if it loses money.
Please don't be a Timothy Geithner.

137 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:41:31pm

I met Romney in DC last year, in line at a Quizno's for lunch a few weeks after his campaign ended. Very cool guy. He actually chatted with us for a few minutes; was very calm and personable unlike a certain TOTUS waffle jockey.

138 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:41:56pm

re: #125 avanti

Thanks. BTW Afro, we're just pulling your leg, come back. :)

Did you say something to scare off Afro?

139 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:07pm

I remember during the debates here in MA he called some of his female opponent's statements "unbecoming" and moonbat feminist heads exploded.

He still kicked her ass on election day.

I still have my Romney-Healey bumper sticker on the cork board at work.

140 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:16pm

re: #13 Charles

Note that Romney is NOT saying you can't criticize Obama. He's saying -- and I totally agree -- that it's mean-spirited and petty to wish for him to fail and reflexively hate him for everything he does.

Can we hate him just a teensy weensy bit....?

141 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:19pm

re: #134 hazzyday

I supported Romney when it was his turn at the running helm, but he still came across as kinda of bland and stiff. He did have a good knowledge of how to govern. But he also seemed very big government.

big government ... compared to what ... Obama Administration wants to have the largest government nanny state in history ... I would take Romney any day of the week ...

142 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:32pm

I'm so excited - I just received my Lizard Cook Book. yay!

143 Wild Knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:46pm

He's right. And Charles is right. I'm no fan of the one. Not only do I strongly dislike Obama's economic policies but I'm an orthodox Catholic and thus have many bones to pick with him. Heck, I wouldn't be a lizard if I did not REALLY dislike the politics of the DNC and the loony left. I predict that Obama will fail but, hell, I’d LOVE to be proved wrong. Wishing for Obama to fail is nothing but a desire for the failure of America and the impoverishment of its people - and the world. In today's world, may I please remind you all, that America is the only nation which inhibits the immediate proliferation of poisonous and mortally dangerous madmen and dictators. Let's show some perspective! Not that lizards don't show perspective. I have to confess that this by far the most reasonable and rational group of people I've found on the net. Except in those darn evolution threads. The things that crawl out of the wood on those threads...

144 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:42:56pm

No one serious wants him to fail personally; I hope his wife and children do well, I hope he stays in good health and as happy as someone might be in such a job.

But in so far as he tries to do what he said he would do--change America, specifically into a more nation with a much heavier-handed federal government and liberal social disposition--I hope his efforts come to naught, complete failure.

In as much as he has a change of heart or is forced by political reality to govern conservatively--i.e., less government, less wanton destruction of nascent human life, less kow-towing to tyrants and despots around the world--I hope he succeeds beyond all expectations.
But I ain't holding my breath about the likelihood of that.

I don't see why that is an unreasonable position, despite how it might sound to people who do not think beyond pretty faces and pleasant intonation of banalities.

145 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:01pm

re: #112 pink freud

Yes, but you didn't say anything about brand USA. You said "Allies and investors foreign & domestic will abandon us in droves, when we need their good will, support and faith to prosper."

Sorry, I am not a fan of the whole globalization movement.

* * * *
Allies are friends.

People who buy our goods are helping us keep jobs & services in the USA.

You got a problem with having allies & keeping work & opportunity in the USA?

146 smalyshev  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:11pm

What Obama succeeds to do what? Double the deficit? Nationalize the banks? Orchestrate hate campaign against financial sector employees? Release terrorists from prison only for them to immediately get back to terror? Stuff the budget with pork and the government with tax-cheats and lobbyists?

If Obama does something right, he deserves praise. But before we talk about praise, something must be done right. We can hope things go well. But the hope has to be based on something. So far I do not see much foundation for such hope, unfortunately.

147 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:15pm

re: #123 albusteve

oh yeah....Delbert is a monster over in Texas...everybody knows him and when he does gigs in Austin you'd think the Stones were in town...Delberts cool

Sometimes a funny name demands overachievement.

Seriously, haven't you ever wondered at the names of some NFL players?

148 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:37pm

re: #134 hazzyday

I supported Romney when it was his turn at the running helm, but he still came across as kinda of bland and stiff. He did have a good knowledge of how to govern. But he also seemed very big government.

He and Rudy next to each other were quite the sight. Rudy all rumpled and Romney all prettied up.

149 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:43pm

Well and good.

However, Obama's minions are lying about US guns in Mexico.

150 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #142 FrogMarch

I'm so excited - I just received my Lizard Cook Book. yay!


Got frog legs in it?

151 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:16pm

A strange thing about Romney: widely hated by the other candidates. Too clean cut. Too boy scout. Too polished. Too bronzed. Too chiseled. Too perfect.

Dare I say it (and I think this unfair to say of him): Was he perceived as phony, not real?

152 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:30pm

IIRC all of the Republican candidates went after Romney in the early primaries...

153 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:41pm

re: #150 BignJames

Got frog legs in it?

Another Carla Bruni thread?

154 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:49pm

Somebody please tell me something Obama has done right so far ... I will take it like a big girl ... just one ... I will file it away ... but the good versus on a scale ... see which one hits the floor first ...

155 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:51pm

re: #127 BignJames

That's MISTER Delbert McClinton.

I know! I got this book called the Children of the Blues..And there was a chapter in there about him..I called my Bud about him and he cut me a DVD.
First listen blew me away..It's like rolling a 7 every time I roll the dice.

156 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:56pm

re: #139 loppyd

I remember during the debates here in MA he called some of his female opponent's statements "unbecoming" and moonbat feminist heads exploded.

He still kicked her ass on election day.

I still have my Romney-Healey bumper sticker on the cork board at work.

Wouldn't Kerry Healey be about one million times better than Deval Patrick?

157 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:44:59pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Did you say something to scare off Afro?

No, but someone suggested that the little jokes some others made had made about her dreams might have been taken wrong, but I'd bet she's just been busy.

158 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:03pm

re: #147 CyanSnowHawk

Sometimes a funny name demands overachievement.

Seriously, haven't you ever wondered at the names of some NFL players?

many's the time...you can't even make up names as goofy as the real ones

159 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:04pm

re: #152 loppyd

IIRC all of the Republican candidates went after Romney in the early primaries...

Take out the biggest threat first.

160 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #112 pink freud

Yes, but you didn't say anything about brand USA. You said "Allies and investors foreign & domestic will abandon us in droves, when we need their good will, support and faith to prosper."

Sorry, I am not a fan of the whole globalization movement.

I'm not a fan either. What most people don't realize is that the US is the engine that powers global trade. When the engine stops, well, we're witnessing what happens.

161 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:15pm

Romney doere: #135 nyc redneck

but he is squirrely.

You know, squirrels can carry mad cow disease.

162 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:21pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * * *
Allies are friends.

People who buy our goods are helping us keep jobs & services in the USA.

You got a problem with having allies & keeping work & opportunity in the USA?

Stuff it.

163 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:33pm

re: #151 quickjustice

A strange thing about Romney: widely hated by the other candidates. Too clean cut. Too boy scout. Too polished. Too bronzed. Too chiseled. Too perfect.

Dare I say it (and I think this unfair to say of him): Was he perceived as phony, not real?

I think they were scared to death of him and tried to cut him at the knees early.

164 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:36pm

All we heard during the campaign about Obama's outrageous statements were they they were taken out of context.

"I want Obama to fail" has a critical context. It is in his radical policies to re-make America, leaving us more enslaved, That we want him to fail.

The truth is he WILL fail with socialism, and fascism, because always socialism fails to produce the results it claims to be able to achieve.

165 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:40pm

Slightly OT: Obama's cap 'n trade legislation is killed in the Senate

President Barack Obama’s plan to push through climate change legislation as part of his $3,600bn federal budget appeared all but dead on Thursday after the Senate ruled out fast-track action on the issue.
A Republican-sponsored amendment passed on Wednesday night ruled that Congress should not try to set up a cap-and-trade system to regulate greenhouse gas emissions as part of the budget “reconciliation” process.
While not binding, the amendment, which drew support from more than 20 Democratic senators, showed the Obama administration has little chance of forcing through climate change measures as part of the budget.
It also underscored the difficulty that Mr Obama will face winning support for his proposed cap-and-trade system even outside of the budget process, raising the possibility of the US arriving empty-handed at the next round of United Nations talks on climate change in Copenhagen in December.

Har Har BWAHAHAA

166 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:42pm

OT,

Rep. Connie Mack (R-FL) says UAW chief should also be fired. Ron Gettelfinger Must Go! (payback for intimidation, thuggery, outlandish benefit demands, unreasonable labor practices)

Bwa ha ha, equal opportunity firing by Geithner? Could it happen?

167 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:45:49pm

re: #154 JacksonTn

Somebody please tell me something Obama has done right so far ... I will take it like a big girl ... just one ... I will file it away ... but the good versus on a scale ... see which one hits the floor first ...

Shooting Talibanis with drones in Pakistan?

168 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:04pm

Well, damn, Pink! Touchy today?

169 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #149 OldLineTexan

Well and good.

However, Obama's minions are lying about US guns in Mexico.

An Obama Minion...:)


Youtube Video
170 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #156 soxfan4life

Wouldn't Kerry Healey be about one million times better than Deval Patrick?

I'll take that million and raise you a billion.

Did you hear he announced he's running for reelection?

171 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

Shooting Talibanis with drones in Pakistan?

Or, allowing such activity to continue, at least....

172 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:32pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

Shooting Talibanis with drones in Pakistan?

Okay there is one ... anybody else ...

173 DistantThunder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:33pm

re: #139 loppyd

I remember during the debates here in MA he called some of his female opponent's statements "unbecoming" and moonbat feminist heads exploded.

He still kicked her ass on election day.

I still have my Romney-Healey bumper sticker on the cork board at work.

But Obama can get away with calling a reporter "Sweetie." Romney's campaign would have been over if he had said that.

174 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:40pm

re: #165 callahan23

hallelujah!

175 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #86 alegrias

* * * *
You conveniently forget Obama can do no wrong for half the country, or at least the 25% that bothered to vote for Obama while half the country didn't bother to vote.

Let's see, the 25% of the country that voted for him have seen their retirement funds vanish like a fart in a tornado. They've seen their grandchildren's future disappear as to civilization crushing debt taken on by Obama in the hope of stimulating a dead horse to motion. We've seen a not so perfect health care system teetering on the edge of politicization. We've seen civilian owned and operated companies micromanaged by people with no Constitutional authortity to do so, change CEO, return contractually driven bonuses to avoid thugs from ACORN. Yep, sounds like the ONE has things well under control.

176 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:47:00pm

re: #149 OldLineTexan

Well and good.

However, Obama's minions are lying about US guns in Mexico.

If the Dems keep saying it enough the MSM will take it to be gospel.

177 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:47:32pm

re: #168 Taqiyyotomist

Well, damn, Pink! Touchy today?

That's the kinda crap response I get from liberals on campus. I sure don't need it here.

178 zeir  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:47:43pm

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

179 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #142 FrogMarch

I'm so excited - I just received my Lizard Cook Book. yay!

It's really cool isn't it? Sat. Morning we had a nasty troll here and Erik fired up the grill.. The lizards choose the recipe on pg 92. The Brunch Strata.

180 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:47:57pm

re: #176 soxfan4life

If the Dems keep saying it enough the MSM will take it to be gospel.

Stock up on high-capacity magazines. That's the first thing they went for the last time.

181 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:48:05pm

re: #174 Taqiyyotomist

hallelujah!

One of his trademark policies failed.
Something to rejoice.

182 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:48:24pm

re: #173 DistantThunder

But Obama can get away with calling a reporter "Sweetie." Romney's campaign would have been over if he had said that.

His mouth would not know how to form those words to a stranger.

183 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:48:33pm

re: #165 callahan23

Slightly OT: Obama's cap 'n trade legislation is killed in the Senate

Har Har BWAHAHAA

A PERFECT example of where we want Obama to fail!

184 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:10pm

re: #175 Perplexed

Let's see, the 25% of the country that voted for him have seen their retirement funds vanish like a fart in a tornado. They've seen their grandchildren's future disappear as to civilization crushing debt taken on by Obama in the hope of stimulating a dead horse to motion. We've seen a not so perfect health care system teetering on the edge of politicization. We've seen civilian owned and operated companies micromanaged by people with no Constitutional authortity to do so, change CEO, return contractually driven bonuses to avoid thugs from ACORN. Yep, sounds like the ONE has things well under control.

Do you think that the inner-city people signed up to vote by ACORN have retirement funds?!

185 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:11pm

re: #165 callahan23

Slightly OT: Obama's cap 'n trade legislation is killed in the Senate


Har Har BWAHAHAA

Killed? as in Failed?
I would be happy but I fear what they might offer in it's place.

186 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:24pm

re: #170 loppyd

I'll take that million and raise you a billion.

Did you hear he announced he's running for reelection?


I'm hoping to be out of MA before his reelection bid, butit wouldn't surprise me if he won reelection or won the special election for Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat. After all he is such good friends with 0bama, and you know how much the droolers in MA just love FCBBHO.

187 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:31pm

re: #178 zeir

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

They hated him because they feared him as an opponent.

188 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #183 eschew_obfuscation

A PERFECT example of where we want Obama to fail!

Which was my point in bringing this up. :-D

189 J.S.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:49pm

I think this should be looked at from what the opposition would say, should, for example, Obama's economic policies fail...Let's say his bailouts don't work -- have families bankrupted, companies going broke, people unemployed, inflation taking off, etc., then what? the opponents of Republicans will then turn about and ask, "Well, aren't you happy now? isn't this what you wanted?" Conversely, if Obama's policies succeed, the economy recovers, people find jobs, housing market improves, then the opponents will ask, "Well, are you unhappy now? is success painful for you to witness?" (This whole strategy of wishing failure for Obama's plans spells political disaster -- it's a no win situation. And it's playing right into the opposition's hands. Wishing for failure sounds like being spiteful -- cutting off your nose to spite your face. And how can "failure" not effect you, too? "Failure" can't be cordoned off so that just Obama suffers -- everyone will suffer...)

190 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #178 zeir

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

They must be hair-ly jealous.

191 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:02pm

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another Carla Bruni thread?


I missed the first one.

192 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:07pm

Not that they are a model to emmulate, but Democrats applauded in the state of the Union (iirc) when Bush mentioned failing to reform Social Security.
That was crass, and economically idiotic. But they weren't wrong to hope a president failed to do what they perceived as bad, just wrong in identifying much of what Bush did as bad and worthy of rooting against. and in the terrible way that they expressed it. If I met Obama, I would be perfectly polite; I still hope he fails to bring Change!.

193 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:13pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Do you think that the inner-city people signed up to vote by ACORN have retirement funds?!

sure they do... your house.

194 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:19pm

re: #178 zeir

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

they were intimidated by him. Simple as that. I also think that intimidation came from his self-made wealth. He is beholding to NO ONE. He can't be bought.

195 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #186 soxfan4life

I'm hoping to be out of MA before his reelection bid, butit wouldn't surprise me if he won reelection or won the special election for Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat. After all he is such good friends with 0bama, and you know how much the droolers in MA just love FCBBHO.

If the election were held today he'd be one and done.

I'd like to see Charlie Hitchcock run against him.

196 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:26pm

re: #185 brookly red

Killed? as in Failed?
I would be happy but I fear what they might offer in it's place.

Probably not restrictive enough for those Commie Bastards.

197 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:43pm

re: #91 Taqiyyotomist

Again, regarding Romney, it's all about "the fold". Conservatives are very picky about who they let into the fold, culling the unworthy until they have not a base, but a fractured, shattered mess. Liberals will let anybody with any view whatsoever into their fold, no matter how nuts, and they have a bigger "tent" as a result.

I'm don't have a solution.

* * * *
Republicans also talk about having a big tent. It's doable.
We should agree to agree on certain big principles.
I see a lot of nitpicky fragging amongst ourselves.
No successful team shoots itself in the foot for no good reason.

198 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:45pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Do you think that the inner-city people signed up to vote by ACORN have retirement funds?!

Nope, but their SSI is imperiled by businesses failing.

199 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:49pm

re: #180 Boxy_brown

Stock up on high-capacity magazines. That's the first thing they went for the last time.

And brass and primers.

200 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #191 BignJames

I missed the first one.

I miss the first one too

/rimshot

201 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #157 avanti

No, but someone suggested that the little jokes some others made had made about her dreams might have been taken wrong, but I'd bet she's just been busy.

I hope so..Afro has a real sweetness in her posts. I hope she wasn't insulted by opening up about her dreams.

202 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:51:19pm

re: #189 J.S.

I think this should be looked at from what the opposition would say, should, for example, Obama's economic policies fail...Let's say his bailouts don't work -- have families bankrupted, companies going broke, people unemployed, inflation taking off, etc., then what? the opponents of Republicans will then turn about and ask, "Well, aren't you happy now? isn't this what you wanted?" Conversely, if Obama's policies succeed, the economy recovers, people find jobs, housing market improves, then the opponents will ask, "Well, are you unhappy now? is success painful for you to witness?" (This whole strategy of wishing failure for Obama's plans spells political disaster -- it's a no win situation. And it's playing right into the opposition's hands. Wishing for failure sounds like being spiteful -- cutting off your nose to spite your face. And how can "failure" not effect you, too? "Failure" can't be cordoned off so that just Obama suffers -- everyone will suffer...)

Reminds me of something Avanti posted the other day. Said some here are "almost gleeful" when the economy tanked just because FCBBHO is in control.

203 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:51:55pm

We have a Weathermen Executive Branch. I know what they want for America. I want them to fail, and to fail big. This means I love America, and want the Republic to stand. Success to these radicals is the destruction of the Republic, in case we weren't paying attention when zombie released Prarie Fire, when we were discussing Alinsky's Rules, when we knew what Ayers and Dorhn were up to in Chicago and New York City.

204 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:51:58pm

some Texas soul....DM and his big band


Youtube Video
205 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:52:00pm

What exactly does FCBBHO stand for?

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:52:04pm

I am going to the movies. Going to see "Taken" check out what this reviewer said...

"This is not a movie about moral dilemmas-it's about a father who will rip out your eyeballs if you don't give him his daughter back."

Sounds like my kind of movie. See y'all after 9 (est).

207 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:52:11pm

re: #166 alegrias

OT,

Rep. Connie Mack (R-FL) says UAW chief should also be fired. Ron Gettelfinger Must Go! (payback for intimidation, thuggery, outlandish benefit demands, unreasonable labor practices)

Bwa ha ha, equal opportunity firing by Geithner? Could it happen?

Back Barry and Timmy into a corner. If heads are going to roll, why not?

208 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:52:37pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am going to the movies. Going to see "Taken" check out what this reviewer said...

"This is not a movie about moral dilemmas-it's about a father who will rip out your eyeballs if you don't give him his daughter back."

Sounds like my kind of movie. See y'all after 9 (est).

Nice. Let us know how it was

209 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:52:41pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am going to the movies. Going to see "Taken" check out what this reviewer said...

"This is not a movie about moral dilemmas-it's about a father who will rip out your eyeballs if you don't give him his daughter back."

Sounds like my kind of movie. See y'all after 9 (est).

I saw it and felt the exact same way.

210 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:04pm

re: #187 loppyd

Exactly right. But I want Romney to keep his powder dry for 2012. If he were to take an active "Head of the Party" role, there would be entire bureaus of the major newspapers/networks devoted to cultivating urban legends/slurs against his character, etc. for the next 3 years.

Mitt, keep your head low. We know you'll be there when we need ya'.

211 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:05pm

re: #164 DistantThunder

All we heard during the campaign about Obama's outrageous statements were they they were taken out of context.

"I want Obama to fail" has a critical context. It is in his radical policies to re-make America, leaving us more enslaved, That we want him to fail.

The truth is he WILL fail with socialism, and fascism, because always socialism fails to produce the results it claims to be able to achieve.

Well, yes, if we get socialism it will fail, but that's not what I want. I want, desperately but without hope at this point, for the implementation of it to fail. Because a bit of frustration for Obama will save much misery later.

212 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:19pm

re: #165 callahan23

Slightly OT: Obama's cap 'n trade legislation is killed in the Senate


Har Har BWAHAHAA

Thank God there seems to be some sanity left. I still remember Obama's answer to $4+ gas prices last summer. "Inflate your tires to the proper pressure".
Sheesh.

213 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:22pm

Storming like crazy here ... think I will take a train ride ... Killgore needs to marry the chick in this video that he posts ... he said he wanted a woman from India ...

Youtube Video
214 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:30pm

re: #205 father_of_10

What exactly does FCBBHO stand for?

FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.

215 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:33pm

re: #185 brookly red

Killed? as in Failed?
I would be happy but I fear what they might offer in it's place.

Of course I am also frightful of things to come. Yet I enjoy every victory of reason, and even if it is a small victory.

216 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:36pm

When the president is wrong, the system of checks and balances is designed to make sure _he_ fails.

The president does not equal the country... this is not a monarchy.

217 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #189 J.S.

I think this should be looked at from what the opposition would say, should, for example, Obama's economic policies fail...Let's say his bailouts don't work -- have families bankrupted, companies going broke, people unemployed, inflation taking off, etc., then what? the opponents of Republicans will then turn about and ask, "Well, aren't you happy now? isn't this what you wanted?" Conversely, if Obama's policies succeed, the economy recovers, people find jobs, housing market improves, then the opponents will ask, "Well, are you unhappy now? is success painful for you to witness?" (This whole strategy of wishing failure for Obama's plans spells political disaster -- it's a no win situation. And it's playing right into the opposition's hands. Wishing for failure sounds like being spiteful -- cutting off your nose to spite your face. And how can "failure" not effect you, too? "Failure" can't be cordoned off so that just Obama suffers -- everyone will suffer...)

You're buying into the left's framing of the question.

This is NOT about the country or economy or individual citizens failing!

It's about Obama failing to implement policies that will likely make the problems you mention worse.

218 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:53:53pm

re: #195 loppyd

If the election were held today he'd be one and done.

I'd like to see Charlie Hitchcock run against him.

Am seriously considering attending Michael Graham's political campaign course, possibly running against Niki Tsongas if my Texas deal doesn't work out. Probably get beat, but at least give the voters a viable option.

219 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

I hope so..Afro has a real sweetness in her posts. I hope she wasn't insulted by opening up about her dreams.

Yep, she seems very nice.

220 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:54:37pm

re: #150 BignJames

Got frog legs in it?

I'm no cannibal. Well, maybe if they are succulent, like mine.

221 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:54:39pm

re: #210 Lincolntf

Exactly right. But I want Romney to keep his powder dry for 2012. If he were to take an active "Head of the Party" role, there would be entire bureaus of the major newspapers/networks devoted to cultivating urban legends/slurs against his character, etc. for the next 3 years.

Mitt, keep your head low. We know you'll be there when we need ya'.

I think he's playing right. This was at a dinner. He's going to the right places, appearing on the right shows, but not getting overexposed.

222 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:55:18pm

re: #213 JacksonTn

Storming like crazy here ... think I will take a train ride ... Killgore needs to marry the chick in this video that he posts ... he said he wanted a woman from India ...



Tornado watches all over Middle Tennessee. Take care!

223 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:55:22pm

re: #218 soxfan4life

Am seriously considering attending Michael Graham's political campaign course, possibly running against Niki Tsongas if my Texas deal doesn't work out. Probably get beat, but at least give the voters a viable option.

I will work tirelessly for you if you do!

224 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:55:39pm

re: #210 Lincolntf

Exactly right. But I want Romney to keep his powder dry for 2012. If he were to take an active "Head of the Party" role, there would be entire bureaus of the major newspapers/networks devoted to cultivating urban legends/slurs against his character, etc. for the next 3 years.

Mitt, keep your head low. We know you'll be there when we need ya'.

Good advice.

225 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:56:29pm

re: #222 MandyManners

Tornado watches all over Middle Tennessee. Take care!

You take care as well.

226 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:56:46pm

re: #172 JacksonTn

Okay there is one ... anybody else ...


The military did it, then told Obama's minions. I disagree that "there is one."
No credit to Obama.

/rant off

227 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:57:14pm

re: #225 DEZes

You take care as well.

I'm no where near there but, I will just on general principle.

228 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:57:37pm

re: #214 MandyManners

FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.

Can you add another F somewhere for Failure? either after fucking, commie or bastard... your discretion.

229 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:57:49pm

Going to pick up some take-out. bbl

230 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:57:49pm

re: #222 MandyManners

Tornado watches all over Middle Tennessee. Take care!

I want a TStorm!
(my favorite thing in the world)

We get some good ones here in SW MI....watching a good bow front come in over Lake Michigan is to behold God's power and glory. I used to get the same sense when we would taunt the angry ocean north of Lynn, MA, where the waves would smash the wall, sending seawater 50 feet into the air.

231 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #189 J.S.
It's not the effects of his policies that we hope will fail--though as far as I am concerned, that is a foregone conclusion, given what they are--it is the implementation of them.

232 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:14pm

re: #227 MandyManners

I'm no where near there but, I will just on general principle.

In what area are you if you don't mind my asking? Nothing too specific......

233 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:27pm

re: #178 zeir

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

Another Palin basher. Screw off.

234 J.S.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #217 eschew_obfuscation

CNN is constantly using this refrain about Republicans wanting Obama to fail -- I have been hearing this constantly. Then, when CNN conducts a poll, it will deliberately put in the question, "Do you want to see Obama fail?" and the vast majority of Americans respond: "No." (and, obviously, it's because if they were to say, "Yes" it would mean that they'd be wishing failure for themselves and their family members.) Anyway, that's the way the media is framing this...can you change the media? (did that work well with, say, Sarah Palin?)

235 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:46pm

re: #151 quickjustice

A strange thing about Romney: widely hated by the other candidates. Too clean cut. Too boy scout. Too polished. Too bronzed. Too chiseled. Too perfect.

Dare I say it (and I think this unfair to say of him): Was he perceived as phony, not real?

* * * *
Yes, all the same reasons many liberal women didn't like Sarah Palin: JEALOUSY!

236 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #230 Taqiyyotomist

I want a TStorm!
(my favorite thing in the world)

We get some good ones here in SW MI....watching a good bow front come in over Lake Michigan is to behold God's power and glory. I used to get the same sense when we would taunt the angry ocean north of Lynn, MA, where the waves would smash the wall, sending seawater 50 feet into the air.

Hey, you anywhere near Galien or New Buffalo? Got relatives there ;-)

237 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #226 midwestgak

The military did it, then told Obama's minions. I disagree that "there is one."
No credit to Obama.

/rant off

Well, I said the other day that I did not think he pulled the trigger on that decision ... I know I am getting ODS ... I cannot help it ... I cannot stand the guy ... never have since the very beginning of the primaries ... to know him is to dislike him ... unfortunately ... few took the time to get to know him ...

238 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:59:20pm

re: #223 loppyd

I will work tirelessly for you if you do!

I'm thinking as running as an Independant, so I wouldn't have the taint of either party on my name. As a union member I would hope to give working class people another choice besides the Commie from the 5th MA district.

239 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:59:51pm

Romney: see "re-election of 0bama"
Romney: a Mormon, unelectable because of past deeds by that cult that the media will NOT avoid referring to every single day of the 2012 campaign


but seriously, stop giving an inch to the dem's
we want his policies to fail, period
we want America to succeed, and to have that, see above, his policies must fail

when are the republicans going to stop being nice to the left
just like American Presidents keep bowing to the Saudis

240 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #234 J.S.

CNN is constantly using this refrain about Republicans wanting Obama to fail -- I have been hearing this constantly. Then, when CNN conducts a poll, it will deliberately put in the question, "Do you want to see Obama fail?" and the vast majority of Americans respond: "No." (and, obviously, it's because if they were to say, "Yes" it would mean that they'd be wishing failure for themselves and their family members.) Anyway, that's the way the media is framing this...can you change the media? (did that work well with, say, Sarah Palin?)

CNN is desperate...these phony convoluted polls prove it...AmIdol news

241 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:00:04pm

re: #236 eschew_obfuscation

Not too near, but near enough. South Haven. Look closely at my avatar, it's the South pier.

242 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:00:43pm

re: #215 callahan23

Of course I am also frightful of things to come. Yet I enjoy every victory of reason, and even if it is a small victory.

you are right, baby steps... this will take time.

243 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #234 J.S.

CNN is constantly using this refrain about Republicans wanting Obama to fail -- I have been hearing this constantly. Then, when CNN conducts a poll, it will deliberately put in the question, "Do you want to see Obama fail?" and the vast majority of Americans respond: "No." (and, obviously, it's because if they were to say, "Yes" it would mean that they'd be wishing failure for themselves and their family members.) Anyway, that's the way the media is framing this...can you change the media? (did that work well with, say, Sarah Palin?)

I can't change the media, but I can refuse to let them frame my discussions others.

If our Republican politicians would stop allowing the left to frame all the questions without challenge, the media would have something different to report.

244 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #238 soxfan4life

I'm thinking as running as an Independant, so I wouldn't have the taint of either party on my name. As a union member I would hope to give working class people another choice besides the Commie from the 5th MA district.

I'll support you!

245 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:01:21pm

re: #156 soxfan4life

Wouldn't Kerry Healey be about one million times better than Deval Patrick?

Even though she was so completely out of touch, she'd be better than Patrick.
BTW, I've already heard one Christy Mihos ad on the radio; it wasn't a campaign ad, but it was political, so he's running again.

Healy is one problem I blame on Romney.

Another came out fine for us.
He vetoed a supplemental appropriation for the public defenders (contractors, basically), for money they were already owed for work done.
Many stopped taking cases.
Eventually, the supplemental appropriation passed, but they had to raise the pay, from $25/hr for district court cases to $50. Note that most attorneys charge a minimum of $120/hr, so $25/hr was ridiculously low. Remember, they have to pay for an office, law library access, malpractice insurance, self-employment tax, health insurance (if they can't get it from a spouse), etc.
That one, though, turned out fine as my wife is a public defender, and her fixed costs didn't change, but her profit certainly went up. Of course, if she didn't work at home, she wouldn't have been able to meet expenses at $25/hr., never mind have much left over.
And even with my salary added, we still don't meet 0's definition of "rich".

But Romney's treatment really didn't sit well with me. And the Republican party in Mass is weaker now; he did little to strengthen it.
So I'm not going to be one of the Romney supporters, but I'll still vote for him if necessary; I did, after all, vote for McCain.

246 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #241 Taqiyyotomist

Not too near, but near enough. South Haven. Look closely at my avatar, it's the South pier.

I always hung out on the north side...the south beach seemed more family oriented...not so many hardbodies

247 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #241 Taqiyyotomist

Not too near, but near enough. South Haven. Look closely at my avatar, it's the South pier.

Cool!

Nice pic.

248 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:02:44pm

re: #166 alegrias

It's amusing, but Obama was elected, in part, to serve the labor unions. That's why his talk of a "controlled" Chapter 11 bankruptcy is such a joke. Among other things, I'm a bankruptcy lawyer. The first thing you do in Chapter 11 is to reject all of the rotten contracts that are dragging down the corporation. That would include rotten labor contracts. And that's what Obama, controlling management of GM and Chrysler as he does, will avoid at all costs in a "controlled" Chapter 11.

In other words, Obama will prop up GM and Chrysler to save the labor unions until after the 2012 election, at which time they will be permitted to collapse.

249 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:02:48pm

re: #214 MandyManners

FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.

Got it. Love it.

250 silvergirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:02:51pm

My favorite thing to say regarding Huckabee is "Where's the rapture when you need it?"

Whenever I flip through channels and spot Huckabee's show I want to hurl. I hope his ratings start heading downhill, but I think it's a hit with the squirrel-eaters. Anyone know?

So even though I agree about not doing the Obama fail thing and said so profusely and said why when we had that big thread about it, I do want Huckabee's show to fail!

251 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:02:59pm

re: #246 albusteve

not a dig on the avatar btw

252 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #245 Kosh's Shadow

My brother is a bar advocate in Essex County. I remember this well!

253 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:09pm

I think conservatives need to prepare themselves for the possibility that Obama just might succeed in turning the economy around. I know what most of you are thinking; "That's impossible". It is very possible and I'd even guess it might even be likely.
It's also possible that the Tea Party/Ron Paul position of stopping the bailouts and stimulus would be disastrous for the country and world economy. Unfortunately much of the GOP is also on board with this plan. It should always give you pause when Ron Paul agrees with you on anything.
It's too soon to tell but I hope he succeeds.

254 Archimedes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:13pm

Obama is fundamentally on the path to fascism. I want him to fail miserably in that goal. To fix the economy means getting government the hell out of the way, not increasing controls and taking over companies. This is obscene what he is doing.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:18pm

re: #218 soxfan4life

Am seriously considering attending Michael Graham's political campaign course, possibly running against Niki Tsongas if my Texas deal doesn't work out. Probably get beat, but at least give the voters a viable option.

Ogonowski did better than I expected against Tsongas, and I think half the people who voted for her did so because they thought they were voting for her late husband.
(I've met Ogonowski's campaign finance manager occasionally at the Chabad I go to.)

256 father_of_10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #220 FrogMarch

I'm no cannibal. Well, maybe if they are succulent, like mine.

Do you like long pig?

257 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:41pm

re: #178 zeir

I do think that if Romney had been the Veep candidate McCain would have had more of a shot. Especially when the economy hit the fan.

As for the candidates hating him, there must be a reason but nobody is saying it outright.

* * * *
Romney financed his own campaign, that's got to make SOME guys feel inadequate.

Those whose wives bring home the bacon from Budweiser?

258 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #246 albusteve

Oh, the bodies. heh.

Yeah, I never really hung on either, my beachgoing was to the south of here, a much less crowded beach in Covert. SH's North side was too rich for my blood, I really didn't fit in with all the kids with their daddys' Porches.

259 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:08pm

Obama, 'foreigner' in not-so-foreign land

" I can tell you that what I've tried to do since I started running for president,'' the American leader told a world audience.

His goal, he said, "is to communicate the notion that America is a critical actor and leader on the world stage, and that we shouldn't be embarrassed about that, but that we exercise our leadership best when we are listening, when we recognize that the world is a complicated place and that we are going to have to act in partnership with other countries, when we lead by example, when we show some element of humility and -- and recognize that we may not always have the best answer, but we can always encourage the best answer and support the best answer.''

Words ...just words...

260 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:16pm

re: #250 silvergirl

The BF throws things when he sees Deputy Dawg on the TV.

He was/is a huge Mitt supporter.

261 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #248 quickjustice

It's amusing, but Obama was elected, in part, to serve the labor unions. That's why his talk of a "controlled" Chapter 11 bankruptcy is such a joke. Among other things, I'm a bankruptcy lawyer. The first thing you do in Chapter 11 is to reject all of the rotten contracts that are dragging down the corporation. That would include rotten labor contracts. And that's what Obama, controlling management of GM and Chrysler as he does, will avoid at all costs in a "controlled" Chapter 11.

In other words, Obama will prop up GM and Chrysler to save the labor unions until after the 2012 election, at which time they will be permitted to collapse.

He could put them in bankruptcy tommorrow and the UAW as well as most evey other union in the country would fall all over themselves to support his reelection bid.

262 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:38pm

re: #256 father_of_10

Do you like long pig?

/watch dat.

263 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:48pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

I think conservatives need to prepare themselves for the possibility that Obama just might succeed in turning the economy around. I know what most of you are thinking; "That's impossible". It is very possible and I'd even guess it might even be likely.
It's also possible that the Tea Party/Ron Paul position of stopping the bailouts and stimulus would be disastrous for the country and world economy. Unfortunately much of the GOP is also on board with this plan. It should always give you pause when Ron Paul agrees with you on anything.
It's too soon to tell but I hope he succeeds.

don't be ridiculous....that would be VooDoo...the economy will turn around in SPITE of BO...go wash your face and get some sense

264 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:04:56pm

re: #252 loppyd

My brother is a bar advocate in Essex County. I remember this well!

Now my wife does some Superior court cases and a lot of sex offender cases at $60/hr.
Barely compensates for dealing with the sex offender scumbags.

265 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:05:39pm

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

266 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:05:49pm

re: #259 pink freud

"...and recognize that we may not always have the best answer, but we can always encourage the best answer and support the best answer.''


So what was all that Declaration of Independence stuff? Not the best answer?

267 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:05:55pm

re: #212 LGoPs

Thank God there seems to be some sanity left. I still remember Obama's answer to $4+ gas prices last summer. "Inflate your tires to the proper pressure".
Sheesh.

Shocked me to the core, that statement.
I live across a fuel-station (Germany) the current price for one liter of unleaded-high-octane gasoline is 1,24 € which translates to 4,69 $ per gallon. Taxes and eco-dues included. Absolutely WTF?

268 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:05:57pm

It's also interesting that Obama had a very successful g20 meeting today and the market reacted well to the change in accounting rules. Not a peep out of the conservative blogs about it.

269 Sgt.Slappy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:06:26pm

There will be no head nodding or gracious wishes for that socialist son of a bitch and his democrat toadies from this sector of firearm-enriched American coal and oil country.

270 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #258 Taqiyyotomist

Oh, the bodies. heh.

Yeah, I never really hung on either, my beachgoing was to the south of here, a much less crowded beach in Covert. SH's North side was too rich for my blood, I really didn't fit in with all the kids with their daddys' Porches.

I had some great fun down toward Covert before they made it a State park...Thunder Mt and all that....some guy one night told me his family owned TM back in the day...we had a great time that night

271 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #267 callahan23

Shocked me to the core, that statement.
I live across a fuel-station (Germany) the current price for one liter of unleaded-high-octane gasoline is 1,24 € which translates to 4,69 $ per gallon. Taxes and eco-dues included. Absolutely WTF?

Don't forget the part where he was only angry because the price went up so fast, not about the actual price itself.

272 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:07:17pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

In the same vein, (preparing for Karma-bleeding here) maybe, just perhaps, possibly, RP is not wrong about every single issue.

not defending him, just saying

273 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:07:31pm

re: #264 Kosh's Shadow

Now my wife does some Superior court cases and a lot of sex offender cases at $60/hr.
Barely compensates for dealing with the sex offender scumbags.

That must be tough. Brother is in the process of applying to do Superior Court as well. They want to observe at his next trial.

The bulk of his practice is private but those three or four duty days a month really help pay the bills - like my salary! :)

Are you an attorney as well?

274 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:07:37pm

re: #263 albusteve

don't be ridiculous....that would be VooDoo...the economy will turn around in SPITE of BO...go wash your face and get some sense

Even if you believe that, it changes nothing, the voters will give credit to the POTUS.

275 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:08:06pm

re: #189 J.S.

* * * *
Well Said, J.S.

Sounding petty backfires big time.
We should focus on winning hearts & minds to minimize Obama's bad policies.

276 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:08:29pm

re: #216 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

When the president is wrong, the system of checks and balances is designed to make sure _he_ fails.

The president does not equal the country... this is not a monarchy.

I like your fantasy world, can I join? ;) We have a democratic legislature in both houses, and a split court with lots of terrible precedents to guide it. We have nominal checks and balances, but the people decided we should have as little impediment to trying whatever Obama wants. Sure, much of the dissatisfaction with R's was justified, but I wish there was a better way to show it than letting the Donkeys run wild.

Perhaps we can alternate between Republicans and nobody?

277 Dianna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:08:37pm

re: #209 father_of_10

I saw it and felt the exact same way.

I loved it.

278 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:08:45pm

re: #274 avanti

Even if you believe that, it changes nothing, the voters will give credit to the POTUS.

of course they will...we are drowning in drooling idiots...principle, fairness and honesty mean nothing as you often demonstrate

279 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:08:57pm

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Former Illinois Governor Blagojevich indicted on federal corruption charges

280 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:05pm

re: #238 soxfan4life

I'm thinking as running as an Independant, so I wouldn't have the taint of either party on my name. As a union member I would hope to give working class people another choice besides the Commie from the 5th MA district.

Do you support "right to work"?

281 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:15pm

re: #270 albusteve

That was me. Yup, my gramps owned it, then sold it to a sand-mining outfit. They failed. Thunder Mountain is a steep dune, and it kept burying their machinery. Now it's gated off, and nobody gets to see it. Sigh.

282 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:36pm

re: #279 HelloDare

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Former Illinois Governor Blagojevich indicted on federal corruption charges

Sing Blago Sing ... come on ... you can do it ...

283 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:36pm

re: #279 HelloDare

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Former Illinois Governor Blagojevich indicted on federal corruption charges

been waiting all day for this...no link?

284 bnichols10  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #239 Adrenalyn

I agree. The problem is that most voters are stupid uninformed. So if you just say that you want him to fail and leave it at that I think it leaves a bad taste with many people. You have to be prepared to support your argument and explain why, for example, when Obama raises taxes on cellular companies it will impact the consumer in the form of higher rates.

The media cater to the lowest common denominator and assume that readers are too stupid to understand this. When Rush says that he wants him to fail he spends the next three hours telling you why. The media take the money quote and run with it.

285 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:44pm

re: #279 HelloDare

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Former Illinois Governor Blagojevich indicted on federal corruption charges

Oh the Hairmanity!

286 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:09:54pm

re: #276 nikis-knight

I like your fantasy world, can I join? ;) We have a democratic legislature in both houses, and a split court with lots of terrible precedents to guide it. We have nominal checks and balances, but the people decided we should have as little impediment to trying whatever Obama wants. Sure, much of the dissatisfaction with R's was justified, but I wish there was a better way to show it than letting the Donkeys run wild.

Perhaps we can alternate between Republicans and nobody?

Dude, we are there.

287 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:13pm

re: #271 soxfan4life

Don't forget the part where he was only angry because the price went up so fast, not about the actual price itself.

Goes to show that he hasn't got the slightest clue of how the economy works.

288 Silvergirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #260 loppyd

The BF throws things when he sees Deputy Dawg on the TV.

He was/is a huge Mitt supporter.

That too. Either hurl as in throw up, or hurl as in throw at.

289 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:33pm
290 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:34pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.



Kyle Orton

291 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:42pm

FEDS INDICT EX-GOV. BLAGOJEVICH
Five Aides, Including Blagojevich's Brother, Also Charged In Sweeping Indictment

[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]


Disgraced Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who is on a resort vacation in Florida, was indicted today on a host of federal corruption charges dating back to 2002 even before he was sworn in as governor.

292 Sabnen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:10:55pm

Obama didn't fire anybody from the corporations today and Geitner didn't say anything stupid . . . that's why the market went up today.

293 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #216 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

When the president is wrong, the system of checks and balances is designed to make sure _he_ fails.

The president does not equal the country... this is not a monarchy.

The problem now is that there is very little check and balance mechanism because the Dems control all 3 branches and the Republican party is so weakened that they can't even manage a squeak about executive abuse of power (Treasury, AG, President).

I would have liked to hear Romney say that although he doesn't want any President to fail, neither does he want a country flung into a socialist pit.

294 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:11:26pm

I wonder if Blago will merit a thread?

295 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:11:28pm

re: #279 HelloDare

Barry never met him! Stop slurring the Pres.! Oh fine, just because he's from Chicago he's corrupt? B.S.! Obama fixed the corruption!


Sorry, I just insta-channeled the MSNBC discussion from later tonight.

296 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #282 JacksonTn

Sing Blago Sing ... come on ... you can do it ...

He has no reason not to at this point.

297 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:27pm

re: #296 loppyd

He has no reason not to at this point.

You mean, besides a healthy fear of death?

298 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:30pm

to everyone who worked on the Lizard Cook Book: bravo. nice job. and funny!

299 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:42pm

Obama: World now more complicated

Translation: I dont have a fucking clue what to do, so I'll baffle you with bullshit

300 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:43pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

Thanks for the heads up
Jay Cutler traded to Bears

BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Jay Cutler isn’t coming to the Lions. He’s going to one of their NFC North rivals, the Chicago Bears.

ESPN reported that the Broncos have confirmed the deal. After conflicting reports initially, the trade details seem to have the Bears getting Cutler and a fifth-round pick this year and the Broncos getting quarterback Kyle Orton, first-round picks in 2009 and 2010 and a third-round pick this year, according to multiple media outlets.

The trade instantly gives the Bears the franchise quarterback they have long needed, and it raises the stakes for the Lions as the NFL draft approaches.

The Lions tried to acquire Cutler in February and reportedly were interested this time, too. Now they will have to face Cutler twice a season. They still need a franchise quarterback.

Does this increase the chances they will use the No. 1 pick in the draft on Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford, who is often compared to Cutler?

301 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #296 loppyd

He has no reason not to at this point.

Sure he does.....Webb Hubbell

302 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:12:54pm

Just reading Romneys remarks I am reminded, that we could have had a mature , clear thinking adult in the White House.
Would he have won? Maybe not, but McCain was like a death wish.

303 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:13:08pm

re: #292 Sabnen

Obama didn't fire anybody from the corporations today and Geitner didn't say anything stupid . . . that's why the market went up today.


Geithner says ANYTHING, stupid or not, the markets tank!
It's evident they really don't trust him!

304 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #299 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama: World now more complicated

Translation: I dont have a fucking clue what to do, so I'll baffle you with bullshit

It's worked like a charm so far.

/sigh

305 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:14:26pm

re: #81 avanti

Hinge is fixed, but thanks. Good news though, I'll be a the casino for most of Fri and Sat and won't be bothering you.

Hope you fail....at the casino.

306 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:14:42pm

re: #273 loppyd

That must be tough. Brother is in the process of applying to do Superior Court as well. They want to observe at his next trial.

The bulk of his practice is private but those three or four duty days a month really help pay the bills - like my salary! :)

Are you an attorney as well?

Just my wife.
It took her a while to get on the Superior Court list.
And she does some appeals as well. I end up having to help her with the "table of authorities" in Word. What a pain.

307 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:14:45pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

I think conservatives need to prepare themselves for the possibility that Obama just might succeed in turning the economy around. I know what most of you are thinking; "That's impossible". It is very possible and I'd even guess it might even be likely.
It's also possible that the Tea Party/Ron Paul position of stopping the bailouts and stimulus would be disastrous for the country and world economy. Unfortunately much of the GOP is also on board with this plan. It should always give you pause when Ron Paul agrees with you on anything.
It's too soon to tell but I hope he succeeds.


The economy is already turning around and would have done bailouts, spending, lending, committing, nothwithstanding.

It's the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT that we and future generations are saddled with that was, undoubtably, not necessary.

308 Silvergirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:14:57pm

re: #257 alegrias

* * * *
Romney financed his own campaign, that's got to make SOME guys feel inadequate.

Those whose wives bring home the bacon from Budweiser?

Huckabee talked more about Mitt's money than anyone else did. I admit that Huck ran a campaign, and endless campaign, on a shoestring. Well done. Everything else he did was crap.

309 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

Please tell me that , that is true!

310 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:15:14pm

re: #281 Taqiyyotomist

That was me. Yup, my gramps owned it, then sold it to a sand-mining outfit. They failed. Thunder Mountain is a steep dune, and it kept burying their machinery. Now it's gated off, and nobody gets to see it. Sigh.

like I said then I spent several long nights at the top...good times for a teenager...fond memories

311 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:15:43pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting that Obama had a very successful g20 meeting today and the market reacted well to the change in accounting rules. Not a peep out of the conservative blogs about it.

What was considered successful, the implementation of a global supervisory committee to monitor American business.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

The part where he said Americans need to understand what is in their best interest.

Or when he bowed to the Saudi King. Great Day all around.

312 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:15:47pm

re: #282 JacksonTn

Sing Blago Sing ... come on ... you can do it ...

SingSing is in NY. And I think it is closed.
Joliet Blago?
/

313 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:15:58pm

Later all, God Bless ya's.

314 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:17:23pm

re: #307 Russkilitlover

The economy is already turning around and would have done bailouts, spending, lending, committing, nothwithstanding.

It's the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT that we and future generations are saddled with that was, undoubtably, not necessary.

MoveOn has something to say about an over-bearing debt.

315 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #304 pink freud

It's worked like a charm so far.

/sigh

Obama babbles New Age Gobbleygook & Many people find him soooo nuanced. To me it just seems like he is way overmatched by the job.

316 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:17:42pm

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

Just my wife.
It took her a while to get on the Superior Court list.
And she does some appeals as well. I end up having to help her with the "table of authorities" in Word. What a pain.

Good score for her.

We do appeals as well.

Feel your pain on the table! LOL LOL

And the assembly! Seven copies to the appeals court, two to the DA, one to CPCS, one to the client.

We kill a lot of trees. :)

317 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

There are clear signs that the recovery is already started, BEFORE any of the stimulus / bail-out money is in the system. Of course, the timing will lend to it being reported that Obama gets the credit.

THE question to ask yourself is, if this really is the recovery, and most of the stimulus/bailout monies aren;'t slated to be spent until 2010 and 2011, will will they spend it anyway?

318 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #309 opnion

Please tell me that , that is true!

such a scandle...Cutler will ruin the Bears

319 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:18:19pm

Blago has been indicted on several federal felony charges.

320 MJ  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:18:33pm

Is Ward Churchill about to be re-hired and become a rich man in the process? Looks that way:

"...Around 3 p.m. local time on Thursday, jurors asked the judge a couple of questions about the awarding of damages. This would suggest that they had perhaps resolved the question of whether Mr. Churchill’s wrongful termination suit had merit.

First, they asked whether it was possible to award no damages. A few minutes later, they asked whether, if all but one jury member could agree on a dollar amount, that person could be replaced by another juror. (The answer was no.)

The jury then resumed deliberations."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

321 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:18:39pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

And on an even cheerier note, the Bears are currently undefeated. I'm willing to go out on a limb here and predict that they will stay undefeated until August or so.....
/ :)

322 Sabnen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

You're right. He isn't trusted. His performance has been lackluster and slow. He has a credibility problem ("I owe taxes?! What taxes?!) and it hurts in the big scheme. I hope he resigns soon.

323 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:19:16pm

What's with all this happy talk about the economy? The stock market was up today, but job loss is still on the rise.

324 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:19:26pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

I disagree with your premise. It's correct to say that "the economy may turn around". It's incorrect to say that "Obama will turn around the economy". He can't, and his policies can't, unless you buy into Keynesian economics. The danger is that the U.S. economy, which is difficult to kill off, will recover despite Obama's noxious policies, and that he will claim that the noxious policies were responsible for the recovery.

Having bestowed a false legitimacy upon his policies, he then will pursue them until he has well and truly trashed the U.S. economy, or at least, the "free market" part of it. It's what fascists do.

325 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:19:28pm

All I have to say is, if Obama succeeds with his entire agenda, this nation will be completely unrecognizable after his term.
You know how I know this fact?
I read it on LGF.

326 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #307 Russkilitlover

I know and you know (and dingleberry knows) that all economic slumps respond with an upswing. Capitalism works that way. This will be the first upswing that some Messiah will claim as his own achievement (while borrowing trillions of dollars that haven't even been generated yet) at the same time that he's accruing bizarre, cartoonish powers to his Office.
The math always works out the same, but the madmen do their own thing for their own reasons.

327 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:20:28pm

re: #318 albusteve

such a scandle...Cutler will ruin the Bears

He has got to be a major improvement. Orton is a reilable backup, but he is going to take you anywhere as your starter.
If the Bears can get a couple of blue chip recievers , this could be fun.

328 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:20:29pm

re: #280 Soona'

Do you support "right to work"?


Yes, I think membership in a union is a personal choice, but I am also a staunch supporter of Davis Bacon, the prevailing wage law. Way too many abuses by contractors to not mandate a decent wage.I would consider suspending it on projects up to a certain amount, but not if there was a record of dividing every job into small amounts.

329 TheMatrix31  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:20:30pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

The Broncos are IDIOTS.

330 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:20:38pm

re: #311 soxfan4life

What was considered successful, the implementation of a global supervisory committee to monitor American business.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

The part where he said Americans need to understand what is in their best interest.

Or when he bowed to the Saudi King. Great Day all around.

Sox, just for curiosity, in case you didn't notice my question before. Do you support "right to work"?

331 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #315 opnion

Obama babbles New Age Gobbleygook & Many people find him soooo nuanced. To me it just seems like he is way overmatched by the job.

Thirty years it took our public school system to set up a win for someone like this. IMO, they succeeded spectacularly.

332 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:21:22pm

re: #327 opnion

He has got to be a major improvement. Orton is a reilable backup, but he is going to take you anywhere as your starter.
If the Bears can get a couple of blue chip recievers , this could be fun.

two number one picks is HUGE...and Cutler is an asshole

333 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:21:37pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

There are clear signs that the recovery is already started, BEFORE any of the stimulus / bail-out money is in the system. Of course, the timing will lend to it being reported that Obama gets the credit.

THE question to ask yourself is, if this really is the recovery, and most of the stimulus/bailout monies aren't slated to be spent until 2010 and 2011, will will they spend it anyway?

Nothing is as permanent as a government agency, especially one birthed in a crisis.
I hope things improve quickly, but I will be quite dubious of any link to Obama's actions, and fearful of the repercussions of mountains of debt.

334 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:21:56pm

re: #325 rawmuse

All I have to say is, if Obama succeeds with his entire agenda, this nation will be completely unrecognizable after his term.
You know how I know this fact?
I read it on LGF.

Not his entire agenda, not anymore. See my:

re: #165 callahan23
335 kahall  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:21:56pm

Ok, I will nod when I hear something I think he has done right. I don't think my nod muscle is going to get much use though. So far it's like I'm wearing a neck brace.

336 kansas  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #332 albusteve

two number one picks is HUGE...and Cutler is an asshole

Doesn't he have some fairly significant health issues for pro quarterback?

337 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:10pm

re: #325 rawmuse

All I have to say is, if Obama succeeds with his entire agenda, this nation will be completely unrecognizable after his term.
You know how I know this fact?
I read it on LGF.

You won't recognize it as the vision the founding fathers laid out, and becuae of that as a nation that was the most prosperous and benevolent nation for the past 2 plus centuries LGF or no LGF

338 opinionated  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:12pm

I think we have here a failure to define.

I want Obama to fail.

Does that mean I want the US to lose in Afghanistan or Iraq because Obama is CIC? Of cause not.

Do I want Obama to fail when he rushes aid to disaster areas? Of course not.

Do I hope he succeeds doing Presidential executive duties for the benefit of the Nation? Certainly.

But every President puts a stamp on the Nation. Changing the course of Foreign and Domestic affairs.

Obama's stamp is dangerous and damaging. I want Obama to have left office failing to put his unique stamp and change on our Nation. I want him to fail and be forgotten and be inconsequential.

339 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #311 soxfan4life

I think the deal to monitor large hedge funds is a smart move and will help prevent meltdowns like this in the future. World markets are reacting positively to the deals they struck.
All this crap about Ipods, bowing and touching royalty is nonsense. Obama is doing something productive to repair the economy and conservatives are spending their energy critiquing the First Lady's outfits like a bunch of catty Hollywood reporters.

340 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:23pm

re: #330 Soona'

Excellent question. Why should someone be forced to join a union just to have a job?

341 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:32pm

re: #316 loppyd

Good score for her.

We do appeals as well.

Feel your pain on the table! LOL LOL

And the assembly! Seven copies to the appeals court, two to the DA, one to CPCS, one to the client.

We kill a lot of trees. :)

My wife got a local copy shop in the state's vendors list; she takes her work there. She told the woman who owns it how to get signed up; being a couple of blocks away from a district court, and the only copy shop in the town, probably gets her a lot of business.
I help with some of the stuff, but not the real long ones.
Still, she goes through a case of paper in a month or two; I use the same paper supply but I think I go through one ream in the time it takes her to go 2 or 3 cases.
Our Staples Rewards program is doing well; have to order another $90 toner cartridge soon.

342 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:51pm

I think that hoping that Obama succeeds is just as disastrous as hoping he fails. Any success this man has in office will further legitimize his social/marxist agenda. Sorry folks, if I wanted to live in a socialized country I would have moved there.

343 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:22:55pm

re: #336 kansas

Doesn't he have some fairly significant health issues for pro quarterback?

not that I know of...he had a hell of a season last year

344 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:23:02pm

re: #323 FrogMarch

What's with all this happy talk about the economy? The stock market was up today, but job loss is still on the rise.

It could even get worse while the economy begins to recover.

/employment is always the last indicator to turn around

345 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:23:03pm

re: #332 albusteve

two number one picks is HUGE...and Cutler is an asshole

I don't understand the problem between Cutler and McDaniels. Sure he tried for Cassell, but Cutler was way too big of a baby IMO.

346 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #312 Kosh's Shadow

The N.Y. State Penitentiary in Ossining, N.Y., also known as "Sing Sing" Penitentiary, "The Big House", starring Jimmy Cagney, or "up the [Hudson] river", remains open to this day.

347 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #342 NYCHardhat

I think that hoping that Obama succeeds is just as disastrous as hoping he fails. Any success this man has in office will further legitimize his social/marxist agenda. Sorry folks, if I wanted to live in a socialized country I would have moved there.

How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)

348 Dianna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:24:38pm

Heading for home.

Take care, lizards!

349 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:24:42pm

re: #323 FrogMarch

re: #344 Killian Bundy

It could even get worse while the economy begins to recover.

/employment is always the last indicator to turn around

correct

350 avanti  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #305 Son of the Black Dog

Hope you fail....at the casino.

The fix is in on this trip, just a free, no buy in Texas Hold'um tournament. Can't lose, but may not win anything.

351 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:00pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I think the deal to monitor large hedge funds is a smart move and will help prevent meltdowns like this in the future. World markets are reacting positively to the deals they struck.
All this crap about Ipods, bowing and touching royalty is nonsense. Obama is doing something productive to repair the economy and conservatives are spending their energy critiquing the First Lady's outfits like a bunch of catty Hollywood reporters.


So an International Agency watching over American Business is a good idea how? Pretty sure there is a clause in the Constitution about outside countries and our currency or commerce.

352 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:02pm

re: #330 Soona'

Sox, just for curiosity, in case you didn't notice my question before. Do you support "right to work"?

Never mind.

353 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:06pm

re: #347 LGoPs

How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)
How's your vision today?
:)


I'm good. I see 4.

354 Dave the.....  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:35pm

During the 12 months leading up to the November 2008 election, did any leading Democrat, even once, say that they want us to win in Iraq?

355 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:41pm

re: #351 soxfan4life

So an International Agency watching over American Business is a good idea how? Pretty sure there is a clause in the Constitution about outside countries and our currency or commerce.

"We don't need no stinkin' constitution"

//

356 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #344 Killian Bundy

It could even get worse while the economy begins to recover.

/employment is always the last indicator to turn around

or it could be some wirod jobless recovery.
With huge tax hikes heading our way, employers are not looking to hire anyone. Sprinkle a little business killing Big Labor - and even more of the private sector could be toast.

357 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:26:18pm

re: #345 soxfan4life

I don't understand the problem between Cutler and McDaniels. Sure he tried for Cassell, but Cutler was way too big of a baby IMO.

it's the context...McDaniels never tried to trade Cutler...Cassells was shopped all over, that's typical...the phone rings you answer it and listen...Mac is a tough SOB and Cutler knows it...he's a prima donna so connect the dots

358 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:26:24pm

re: #355 sattv4u2

"We don't need no stinkin' constitution"

//


Apparently not.:(((

359 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:26:26pm

re: #331 pink freud

Thirty years it took our public school system to set up a win for someone like this. IMO, they succeeded spectacularly.

Oh yeah, I swear if I hear one more Obama voter say, "But I didn't know" I will go into meltdown.
However, I think that they would vote for him again.
The wild card here is the chnging demographics. If Latios stay with BHO , we are in serious trouble.

360 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:09pm

Furthermore, I'm tired of the holier than thou folks saying "conservatives don't do that." Don't kid yourself...Politicians are all corrupt. Pick the one that will do the least damage.

361 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:20pm

re: #354 Dave the.....

During the 12 months leading up to the November 2008 election, did any leading Democrat, even once, say that they want us to win in Iraq?

No, quite the opposite. Harry Reid even declared the war lost.

362 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:37pm

re: #358 soxfan4life

Apparently not.:(((

Pay no attention to the moldering document by dead white guys!

363 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:55pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Obama is doing something productive to repair the economy

Extremely debatable. The economy is doing what it does, fueled by capitalism. Obama is doing a lot to crimp that capitalism and install a government/business "partnership" known as socialism. Whether or not Obama fans want to say that word, it is in fact the logical outcome of his ACTIONS to date with, no doubt, more to come.

364 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:57pm

re: #360 NYCHardhat

Furthermore, I'm tired of the holier than thou folks saying "conservatives don't do that." Don't kid yourself...Politicians are all corrupt. Pick the one that will do the least damage.

Hold your nose while you vote?

365 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:27:59pm

re: #354 Dave the.....

During the 12 months leading up to the November 2008 election, did any leading Democrat, even once, say that they want us to win in Iraq?

God forbid you should find one saying that they wanted Bush specifically to succeed in Iraq!

366 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:28:10pm

re: #332 albusteve

two number one picks is HUGE...and Cutler is an asshole

Well, if that is true he will walk all over Lovie.
I'm hoping that they all feel the love & get into the playoffs.

367 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:28:20pm

re: #362 jcm

Pay no attention to the moldering document by dead white guys!

You forgot slave trading.

368 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:28:40pm

re: #357 albusteve

it's the context...McDaniels never tried to trade Cutler...Cassells was shopped all over, that's typical...the phone rings you answer it and listen...Mac is a tough SOB and Cutler knows it...he's a prima donna so connect the dots

Funny how when they get franchised the players get all pouty, or when they become an outright free agent they run for every possible dollar, but when a team tries to make a trade to imoprove themselves the players get all salty.

369 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:29:12pm

re: #364 Perplexed

Hold your nose while you vote?

Yes. because like Bill Clinton, all politicians are like leaves in the wind. Which way will you blow them?

370 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I think the deal to monitor large hedge funds is a smart move and will help prevent meltdowns like this in the future. World markets are reacting positively to the deals they struck.
All this crap about Ipods, bowing and touching royalty is nonsense. Obama is doing something productive to repair the economy and conservatives are spending their energy critiquing the First Lady's outfits like a bunch of catty Hollywood reporters.

Either you haven't been reading and paying attention or you're just dumb. I suspect both.

371 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:04pm

Killgore...the few don't speak for the many...not with the tea parties, and not with the queen....you are intentionally distorting a few blogs into a concensus that you don't know exists...blogs are a small thing yet

372 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:25pm

re: #354 Dave the.....

During the 12 months leading up to the November 2008 election, did any leading Democrat, even once, say that they want us to win in Iraq?

It is beyond them. Everyone is equal. Which in turn translates to we ought not win a war.

Spit.

373 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:33pm

re: #369 NYCHardhat

Yes. because like Bill Clinton, all politicians are like leaves in the wind. Which way will you blow them?

Bill Clinton was disappointed to learn the movie Blow had been made without him. ;)

374 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #351 soxfan4life

So an International Agency watching over American Business is a good idea how? Pretty sure there is a clause in the Constitution about outside countries and our currency or commerce.

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

375 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:48pm

re: #359 opnion

re: #359 opnion

I spoke with some friends recently who revealed they voted for Obama (and they were conservatives). They are wringing their hands. I now, understand where McCain's wheels flew off his wagon. Actually I figured it out after September 2008 but, I am hopeful that we will have balance once again after the Senate and House elections that are coming up. Because a completely Democratic (or Republican) government is a bad thing for us all.

376 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #366 opnion

Well, if that is true he will walk all over Lovie.
I'm hoping that they all feel the love & get into the playoffs.

I'm a Bearhead of sorts...I do too

377 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:31:20pm

re: #359 opnion

Oh yeah, I swear if I hear one more Obama voter say, "But I didn't know" I will go into meltdown.
However, I think that they would vote for him again.
The wild card here is the chnging demographics. If Latios stay with BHO , we are in serious trouble.

Yes. Exactly my point. :-)

378 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:31:26pm

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BEARS.

379 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:05pm

re: #373 DEZes

Bill Clinton was disappointed to learn the movie Blow had been made without him. ;)

He did make a sequel though, co-starring Monica Lewinsky....
/

380 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:09pm

re: #375 the1sgjohns

re: #359 opnion

I spoke with some friends recently who revealed they voted for Obama (and they were conservatives). They are wringing their hands. I now, understand where McCain's wheels flew off his wagon. Actually I figured it out after September 2008 but, I am hopeful that we will have balance once again after the Senate and House elections that are coming up. Because a completely Democratic (or Republican) government is a bad thing for us all.

How can anyone who claims to be a conservative vote for a commie?

381 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:15pm

Obama Census expert skilled at making shit up

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama Thursday nominated Robert Groves, a sociology professor at the University of Michigan, to be the next director of the Census Bureau, a choice that riled some Republican lawmakers.

Mr. Groves, who served as associate director of statistical design at the Census Bureau from 1990 to 1992, is an expert on "sampling," the practice of adjusting statistics in order to compensate for undercounting. This tends to bolster the number of people counted in urban areas that are typically Democratic strongholds. The census, which takes place next April, is used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives and disburse billions in federal dollars.

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, whose agency runs the Census Bureau, said during his Senate confirmation hearing that the "Supreme Court has made it very clear that statistical sampling is not permissible for apportionment purposes." Still, the Groves nomination triggered quick reactions on Capitol Hill, where sampling became a volatile issue during the mid-1990s after the 1990 census vastly undercounted minority populations in large cities.

"A sampling process would open the census to the worst kind of political manipulation," said Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who sits on the Senate subcommittee that overseas the census. "The Constitution clearly requires a count of every person, not a best guess that could be influenced by political rather than empirical considerations."

382 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:18pm

re: #363 Russkilitlover

I know it's beyond the conservative's imagination that Obama could make policy decisions to help the economy. I think that's funny.

383 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:34pm
384 Olderthandirt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:35pm

Saying either that President Obama should fail or should succeed is meaningless. If the president fails to govern, our country suffers, which I hope no American wants!

However, to say that President Obama's economic policies or that his domestic policies should fail or succeed is a whole different kettle.

Personally, I want President Obama's economic policies, such as his stimulus plan or his budget plan, to fail as they are meant, IMHO, to move this country into Socialism. Similarly, I want his plans to setup a national health plan to fail, his plan to enlarge the AmeriCorp and to make it mandatory "volunteer" plan to fail. I want any of his policies or plans which would increase the size of government and to enlarge Socialism to all fail. Also, I strongly disagree with President Obama's so-called plans to spend this country back into prosperity, plan which should fail and which if implemented will only drive this country deeper into economic troubles.

If someone else doesn't like my views on President Obama's policies or plans and disagrees with me, so be it; their choice and they need to live with the result.

Lastly, it would be great if there were real substantive issues to discuss on LGF not this ridiculous red herring; particularly to drop this as an issue worthy of much discussion.

385 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

I see a huge cheshire grin across your face

386 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #380 soxfan4life

I was trying the unclenched fist thing when I asked.... :)

387 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:01pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

Pointless retort! You should answer the question about whether or not you like the idea of an International Agency having a say in American Business.

You are getting almost as disingenuous as avanti, imho.

388 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:04pm

re: #366 opnion

Well, if that is true he will walk all over Lovie.
I'm hoping that they all feel the love & get into the playoffs.

Da Bears.......
Yay.

389 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:05pm

re: #265 JammieWearingFool

Congratulations, Bears fans, you finally have a QB.

Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and two first-rounders.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

What am I gonna' do with all those No. 6 Bronco jerseys that The Kid has?

390 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I think the deal to monitor large hedge funds is a smart move and will help prevent meltdowns like this in the future. World markets are reacting positively to the deals they struck.
All this crap about Ipods, bowing and touching royalty is nonsense. Obama is doing something productive to repair the economy and conservatives are spending their energy critiquing the First Lady's outfits like a bunch of catty Hollywood reporters.

Whoa, dude, you seem to have developed quite the head over heels man crush on Ear Leader lately.

/can we just call you avanti Jr. now?

391 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #380 soxfan4life

How can anyone who claims to be a conservative vote for a commie?

Because BHO ultimately ran on a conservative platform. It is, after all is said and done, the only way anyone gets elected to the office of POTUS.

392 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:33pm

re: #381 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama Census expert skilled at making shit up

Translation: We're fucked.

393 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:37pm

Obama bowing to the Saudi King, beautiful! He damn near did a fist bump with Queen Elizabeth.
His submission to a tyrant will not be remembered as a great moment in American History.
And what the hell is that big toothy grin of his? He looks like he is competeing for Miss Universe!

394 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:42pm

re: #368 soxfan4life

Funny how when they get franchised the players get all pouty, or when they become an outright free agent they run for every possible dollar, but when a team tries to make a trade to imoprove themselves the players get all salty.

he got a coach fired and now he forced a trade....he's TO all over again...bet on it

395 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:33:52pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

I love your reasoned arguements.

396 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:34:04pm

re: #379 LGoPs

He did make a sequel though, co-starring Monica Lewinsky....
/

Thank the Lord it was never released in theaters or on DVD.
But it was still a national sensation, hmmmmmm.

397 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:34:32pm

Induce the vomiting. Purge the Obama administration. I'm tired of working harder and taking home less. I'm tired of following the rules only to have the vultures pick through the bones. How much more can this government take from me?

398 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #385 albusteve

Heh. I'm hoping that I'm proven right and the economy improves. I'm trying not to do any premature gloating, it's far too early to tell.

399 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

Killgore ... I don't know who the people are going to the tea parties ... but I can speak for myself ... as a small business owner who employs now over 70 people ... there will be jobs lost ... if we have to pay more taxes to fund this nanny state Obama wants to establish ... leave the economy to the people who actually run it on a day to day basis ... business ... the government screws up everything they touch ... the day a government agency comes in and tells me how much money I can pay myself ... that is the day I quit ... and the people who work for me will be out of a jobs ... no threat ... just the way it is ...

400 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:34:37pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I know it's beyond the conservative's imagination that Obama could make policy decisions to help the economy. I think that's funny.

what decisions?

401 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #394 albusteve

he got a coach fired and now he forced a trade....he's TO all over again...bet on it

I don't know what the Bears are thinking.

402 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat

Induce the vomiting. Purge the Obama administration. I'm tired of working harder and taking home less. I'm tired of following the rules only to have the vultures pick through the bones. How much more can this government take from me?

Never ask that. The answer is all.

403 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:14pm

Lenin's a** hanging in the breeze......

Bomb blows hole in Lenin statue

404 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:21pm

re: #391 rawmuse

Because BHO ultimately ran on a conservative platform. It is, after all is said and done, the only way anyone gets elected to the office of POTUS.

Well, there was also that "Let's teach my party something about running a RINO" thing too .....

405 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #401 soxfan4life

I don't know what the Bears are thinking.

Playoffs?

406 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:35pm

This debate is getting a little too nuanced for me.

I want Obama to succeed but I don't want any of his socialist programs to go through.

On the other hand, I don't want any of his programs to succeed but I don't want him to fail.

But then, I want the economy to recover but I don't want his stimulus package to pass.

Whaaa?

Isn't that sort of like I support the troops but not the mission.

In a 2006 poll, 60% of democrats either wanted Bush to fail or weren't sure. Of course, if Bush failed the war in Iraq would have failed. I guess, 60% of the Democrats wanted the war to fail or just couldn't make up their minds. Many of those Democrats did not care if millions of Iraqis would have died and the United States were made less safe. I've talked to many of them.

On the other hand, who amoung us that wants Obama to fail wants the country to fail? I know of no one. We want Obama to fail because we want America to succeed.

I voted for McCain because I didn't want Obama to succeed. Now that Obama is President, I can't wish for him to fail?

After offering a few choice words for Obama’s early conduct in office, Romney suggested it’s OK to hope things go well under the new president.

I hope things go well under the new President. No problem there.

“I also think its important for us to nod to the president when he’s right,” Romney said. “He will not always be wrong.”

I agree. No problem there either.

Again, wanting Obama to fail does not mean you want the country to fail. It's the opposite.

I think most people can understand this. The Republicans should be upfront about it. If reporters brings it up, shut them down by stating the obvious.

407 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #363 Russkilitlover

That government/business "partnership" is properly known as "fascism". "Socialism" is where the government owns all of the property outright.

408 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat

Induce the vomiting. Purge the Obama administration. I'm tired of working harder and taking home less. I'm tired of following the rules only to have the vultures pick through the bones. How much more can this government take from me?

You don't really want to know. Consider yourself lucky they let you keep any of their money you work so hard for.

409 Wendya  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:36:22pm

Trying to come up with a list of things Obama's done that I approve of.....

410 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:36:29pm

re: #375 the1sgjohns

Agreed, there has to be some checks on Obama.
When the economy recovers in spite of Obama , he will take credit.
It will be like a rooster taking credit for the dawn.

411 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:36:42pm

re: #401 soxfan4life

I don't know what the Bears are thinking.

Pro Bowl QB...we'll see...I hope for the best, Chicago is one of my alltime favorite places...games up there are alot of fun and they deserve a winner

412 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:36:51pm

re: #409 Wendya

Trying to come up with a list of things Obama's done that I approve of.....

So have I for the last 400 comments........

413 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:12pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

through your tinfoil hat?

Sorry ,,, couldn;t resist on that one, but seriously.
Obamas moves have done nothing to bolster the economic meltdown. The moves he has made will on extend it. He should have let GM or Chrysler go into CH 11, which he now says he's considering. By "firing" a private companies CEO he has made other companies gun-shy of being innovative to self recover. By even CONSIDERING Chinas call to replace the dollar has made the world skittish regarding it (yes, I know he came out and said he wasn't, but Giethner said it was an idea worth considering and Obama called Geithner the "ONLY ONE" that could get us out of this mess. Whom do you think Obama is listening to as the final arbiter for economic advice, if not "his" man

414 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:17pm

re: #392 pink freud
Hey thats right up there was SOS Hillary saying 90% of guns in Mexico are from the US. Actually the ATF said (quietly) no 90% of the guns Mexico sends us to look at are US. Mexico found over 30K of guns last year in raids and crime scenes, 5k of that, were from the US. So, SOS Hillary is making up sh(*! herself. Should we expect any different from the Clinton camp.

415 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:29pm

re: #381 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama Census expert skilled at making shit up

It gets better.

Census Bureau: We’ll Work with ‘Community Organizations’ to Count All Illegal Aliens in 2010

The acting director of the U.S. Census Bureau, Thomas Mesenbourg, told CNSNews.com that the bureau intends to work with community organizations to make sure every illegal alien in the United States is counted in the 2010 Census.

The Census is used to apportion the seats in the U.S. House of Representative. There are 435 House seats that are divided among the states in proportion to their population, which is determined by the decennial census. States with more people get more seats in the U.S. House.

This means that a state harboring more illegal aliens can gain more House seats as long as the Census Bureau finds the illegal aliens and counts them. This also means that the illegal alien population resident in the United States during a census year has the potential to alter the regional and philosophical balance of power in Congress.

Mesenbourg’s comments were made after a press conference on Wednesday where Commerce Secretary Gary Locke joined several interest groups, including Univision, the National Council of La Raza, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) and the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) to talk about efforts to ensure a full count of Latinos in the 2010 Census.

When asked whether he intended to maximize the count of illegal aliens in next year’s census, Mesenburg said: “Our job is to count everyone that resides in the U.S.--count them once. So, certainly that’s our goal to count every individual, every resident whether they’re documented, undocumented, whether they are citizens or non-citizens.”

/so nice, they'll probably count 'em at least twice

416 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I know it's beyond the conservative's imagination that Obama could make policy decisions to help the economy. I think that's funny.

I down dinged you because it's not the imagination that makes the difference.

"Obama could make policy decisions to help the economy." I'll believe it when I see it.

417 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #409 Wendya

Trying to come up with a list of things Obama's done that I approve of.....

He got that new puppy for his girls. I give that a big thumbs up!

418 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:45pm

re: #411 albusteve

Pro Bowl QB...we'll see...I hope for the best, Chicago is one of my alltime favorite places...games up there are alot of fun and they deserve a winner

It's a shame that some of the greatest places in the world are socialist paradises. Cuba, Venezuela, China, Chicago.

419 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #409 Wendya

Trying to come up with a list of things Obama's done that I approve of.....

He left the country.

Of course he'll fuck that up by coming back

420 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:37:56pm

re: #391 rawmuse

Because BHO ultimately ran on a conservative platform. It is, after all is said and done, the only way anyone gets elected to the office of POTUS.

No, he ran on a populist platform. When you think about it, all they are doing up there is populist anyway: "soak the rich", "peace sells", "corporations are evil"

421 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:38:07pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Somewhere off in the distance I hear Glenn Beck crying. Git ye to a Tea Party!

Dinged ya down for that complete non sequitor.

422 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:38:26pm

re: #411 albusteve

Pro Bowl QB...we'll see...I hope for the best, Chicago is one of my alltime favorite places...games up there are alot of fun and they deserve a winner

I am glad he didn't go to the Jets though. Kind of thought the Redskins would get him.

423 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:38:30pm
"He will not always be wrong."

100% wrong so far, I guess he can only get better.

424 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:38:38pm

re: #415 Killian Bundy
What is this?
Another Obama program that we hope does not Fail?

425 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:38:44pm

re: #400 albusteve

what decisions?

Why destoying capitalism. Obama knows that we must be punished.

426 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:39:41pm

re: #387 Russkilitlover

You should answer the question about whether or not you like the idea of an International Agency having a say in American Business.


I'll have to see the details first but I do think that it's wise to set international standards for hedge funds that are large enough to effect the world economy.

427 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:39:41pm

re: #415 Killian Bundy

/so nice, they'll probably count 'em at least twice

ACORN is real good at find more people than there are.

428 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:39:53pm

re: #411 albusteve

Pro Bowl QB...we'll see...I hope for the best, Chicago is one of my alltime favorite places...games up there are alot of fun and they deserve a winner

Good man! Da Bears!

429 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:40:08pm

The thing about O and the economy, he'll take credit when the economy turns around when it was going to turn around eventually anyway. Our economy isn't so bad that it is completely out of sorts.

430 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:40:09pm

re: #420 Hengineer

Beg your pardon, his poll number took off after he promised a tax cut to those making less than $500k $250k $200k. The number kept moving around, but, it matters little because it was all just happy talk anyway.

431 MJBrutus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:40:10pm

Why is the GOP stupid enough to get in to this ridiculous, sophomoric word game? Just because Rush does what Rush does, do the rest of us have to play along?

I hope he fails, I mean I hope his policies fail, I mean I hope his policies fail in a way that doesn't hurt the country, I mean hope socialism fails but ....

Puh-lease. I luvya Mitt, but you're stooping down to play a stoopid game.

432 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:40:33pm

re: #407 quickjustice

That government/business "partnership" is properly known as "fascism". "Socialism" is where the government owns all of the property outright.

You're right, that is the correct term, but writing "fascist" seemed a bit ODS to me so I wrote socialism. But I think we all should just call it what it is.

433 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:40:38pm

Do I have to?

/*sulks*

434 jaunte  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:41:08pm

The SEC is now supposed to monitor hedge funds, but the plan is only as good as its execution.

SEC To Electronically Monitor Hedge Funds
February 10, 2009

[Link: www.informationweek.com...]

435 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:41:16pm

re: #430 rawmuse

Beg your pardon, his poll number took off after he promised a tax cut to those making less than $500k $250k $200k. The number kept moving around, but, it matters little because it was all just happy talk anyway.

populist, that's "soak the rich" "free the poor"

If you listen to populists, everyone who makes less than those figures is "poor" anyway. It sounds good.

436 Jack Burton  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:41:21pm

re: #380 soxfan4life

How can anyone who claims to be a conservative vote for a commie?

Exactly, I don't know a single person who claims to be conservative or a republican who voted for Obama. I know a lot of people who claim to be independent (but seem to always vote 'D' in an almost mindless kneejerk way) who did, but no conservatives.

Besides some out-of-touch-with-reality "Beltway Insiders".... who are these mystery Obama-voting Republicans?

437 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #430 rawmuse

Beg your pardon, his poll number took off after he promised a tax cut to those making less than $500k $250k $200k. The number kept moving around, but, it matters little because it was all just happy talk anyway.

Hopefully his poll numbers drop accordingly when he fails to deliver on any of his campaign promises.

438 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:41:56pm
439 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Keynesian economics has been proven a failure through harsh experience. Think FDR and the New Deal. Yet that's exactly what Obama and his allies espouse with the current stimulus.

What I see happening is a toxic combination of crony capitalism (with the rigged bidding process Geithner has set up for the toxic assets, which includes only close Obama allies), fascist "public-private partnerships", in which government controls large, failing corporations, and skewing government to enhance labor union power and control.

None of this is healthy for a free market economy. Yet this is what Obama is creating, in concert with the Democratic Congress. It's gigantic government controlled by Democrats, and overtly biased against political opponents.

440 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:11pm

re: #381 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama Census expert skilled at making shit up

I sure hope Obama doesn't fail with that. //

441 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:16pm

Speaking of Huckabee, he's gone and stepped on some toes:

Terry McAuliffe not laughing at Huckabee joke

"During a recent appearance on behalf of Bob McDonnell — the Republican candidate for governor — Huckabee wisecracked that if McDonnell's supporters bump into someone who isn't planning on voting for the Republican, they should "let the air out of their tires and do not let them out of their driveway on election day."

The joke is a Huckabee favorite: he recited it countless times at campaign stops nationwide during his failed bid to win the Republican nomination in 2007 and 2008.

Nevertheless, McAuliffe — who made more than a few surrogate appearances of his own on behalf of Bill and Hillary Clinton — is accusing of Huckabee of inciting "voter suppression."

"Let's be clear," he said in a statement. "There are no jokes to be made about denying people the right to vote in this country. It's not a laughing matter. This is a right that people fought and died for, so as public figures, we must be sure that we are setting the standard."

442 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #432 Russkilitlover

You're right, that is the correct term, but writing "fascist" seemed a bit ODS to me so I wrote socialism. But I think we all should just call it what it is.

It takes fascism to TRULY implement complete socialism immediately.

Otherwise it can take a democratic-republic decades and decades of freedom-erosion.

443 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:20pm

re: #406 HelloDare

Eh, you're saying what several others have said on these threads, but I think anyone who uses the 'f' word is going to be implied to be a big stupid meanie by those who think we should give Change! a chance.

444 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I know it's beyond the conservative's imagination that Obama could make policy decisions to help the economy. I think that's funny.

You're again missing the point. The only thing that's real is what he's done so far and what he has verbally expressed that he will do. He's a socialist and he's trying to impose socialism on our capitalist system by way of congress and surrendering US sovereignty. He's doing it as we speak. No imagination needed.

445 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:26pm

Alinsky’s 1971 book, “Rules for Radicals,” is a favorite of the Obamas. Michele Obama quoted it at the Democratic Convention. One Alinsky tactic is to “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

That’s what the White House did in targeting Rush Limbaugh...

Link

446 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #418 ConservatismNow!

I heard BHO and DC want to open up Cuba. Next will be mandatory field trips for school children to see what a successful country looks like. CHEESE AND CRACKERS! AHHH!

447 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:42:56pm

re: #418 ConservatismNow!

It's a shame that some of the greatest places in the world are socialist paradises. Cuba, Venezuela, China, Chicago.

indeed...but by and large Chicago is not over run by moonbats on the streets...the people seem (to me) to be just good midwestern folks...but it is huge and the bats are there someplace obviously

448 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #439 quickjustice

Keynesian economics has been proven a failure through harsh experience. Think FDR and the New Deal. Yet that's exactly what Obama and his allies espouse with the current stimulus.

What I see happening is a toxic combination of crony capitalism (with the rigged bidding process Geithner has set up for the toxic assets, which includes only close Obama allies), fascist "public-private partnerships", in which government controls large, failing corporations, and skewing government to enhance labor union power and control.

None of this is healthy for a free market economy. Yet this is what Obama is creating, in concert with the Democratic Congress. It's gigantic government controlled by Democrats, and overtly biased against political opponents.

How dare you oppose the Party! Off to the mines of Siberia you go!

449 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #421 Russkilitlover

Killgore's desperation to paint the Tea Parties as some sort of Nazi/neo-Creationist/seal-clubbing/book-burning enterprise is as about as transparent as any he's tried yet.
We get it Fishface. You don't want anyone to go anywhere near the Tea Parties, so you and the other tweeners and basement-dwellers find "incriminating" clips and articles on Facebook and apply that dreaded broad brush of judgement to the whole dillyo.
(Here's a tip: no one buys your act.)

450 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:16pm

re: #434 jaunte

Morningstar is the new Haliburton!
/seriously, thanks for posting that. Interesting reading.

451 Thor-Zone  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:29pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

There are clear signs that the recovery is already started, BEFORE any of the stimulus / bail-out money is in the system. Of course, the timing will lend to it being reported that Obama gets the credit.

THE question to ask yourself is, if this really is the recovery, and most of the stimulus/bailout monies aren;'t slated to be spent until 2010 and 2011, will will they spend it anyway?

Of course they will. They are politicians......Its what they do.

452 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:34pm

Time to restock my supply of Tums and Mylanta.

453 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:43:55pm

re: #447 albusteve

indeed...but by and large Chicago is not over run by moonbats on the streets...the people seem (to me) to be just good midwestern folks...but it is huge and the bats are there someplace obviously

I think what he meant is the political corruption that has taken hold.

454 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:44:40pm

re: #436 ArchangelMichael

Exactly, I don't know a single person who claims to be conservative or a republican who voted for Obama. I know a lot of people who claim to be independent (but seem to always vote 'D' in an almost mindless kneejerk way) who did, but no conservatives.

Besides some out-of-touch-with-reality "Beltway Insiders".... who are these mystery Obama-voting Republicans?

I consider myself a social moderate and a fiscal conservative. I could possibly vote for a Dem if the GOP doesn't get out of bed with the religous right, but no way no how could I vote for a friggin commie like BHO.

455 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:44:44pm

How about reducing the tax deduction for charities?
Do we hope that succeeds?

And elimination of the mortgage interest deduction?
Fail?

I'm sorry, but this conversation is total tripe. We, here at LGF, of all people, know precisely what this commie asshat has in store for us.

456 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:44:58pm

Yes, the economy is indeed starting to turn around, but it's in spite of, not because of Obama's policies. All the wasteful deficit spending and expansion of government is actually retarding speed of the recovery.

/Obama is no friend of the markets and capitalism in general, he routinely spooks the [expletive deleted] out of them

457 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:03pm

re: #451 Thor-Zone

Of course they will. They are politicians......Its what they do.

If theres a budget surplus, they spend more to match, if there is a budget deficit, they increase taxes or borrow money to allow them to keep spending

Its a viscous cycle.

458 jaunte  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:12pm

re: #450 Killgore Trout

I think having access to the information might be useful, I just don't trust that any government agency will be fast enough to keep up.

459 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:32pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

So when inflation is in the double digits from all the money that Obama's printed in the last four weeks or so, will you blame him? Or will you blame the Republicans?


I'll blame Obama if they fuck up the recovery and cause massive inflation. There will be plenty of opportunities for Obama to make a mess of things. If he does good things I'll praise him and if he does bad things I'll blame him. It's pretty simple.

460 beens21  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:44pm

according to spinoff post, Ward Churchill won his case against CU and received $1 in damages.Anyone know if he gets his atty fees or reinstatement to his job?

461 Salem  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:44pm

Yeah, let's go around this semantic loop a few million more times.

462 MJBrutus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:45:56pm

re: #429 Hengineer

The thing about O and the economy, he'll take credit when the economy turns around when it was going to turn around eventually anyway. Our economy isn't so bad that it is completely out of sorts.

It isn't to start out with, but Obama, Reid and Pelosi are doing their very best to ensure that we won't recover. Their tying an anchor around it's necka nd calling it a life preserver! If we get socialized health care, cap and trade and card check we may not have the usual business cycle recovery phase.

We could be looking at a lost decade. As soon as our economy starts to show some growth, we are going to get walloped by inflation thanks to the trillions that are being printed or borrowed. That will stifle our growth and keep unemployment from returning to normal levels as well. I'm sorry to be the messenger of bad news, but the clueless Donkeys in power are causing us lasting damage that will take many years to recover from.

463 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #454 soxfan4life

I consider myself a social moderate and a fiscal conservative. I could possibly vote for a Dem if the GOP doesn't get out of bed with the religous right, but no way no how could I vote for a friggin commie like BHO.

I see myself in the same category as you, which is why the Repubs in the past decade have completely turned me off, they're either the religious right or the so-called "compassionate conservatives" who spend money like trust fund kiddies with daddy's credit card.

464 jaunte  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:16pm

re: #461 Salem

NASCAR!

465 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:26pm

re: #448 Hengineer

Montana! Dude.

466 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:27pm

re: #441 pink freud

Speaking of Huckabee, he's gone and stepped on some toes:

Terry McAuliffe not laughing at Huckabee joke

"During a recent appearance on behalf of Bob McDonnell — the Republican candidate for governor — Huckabee wisecracked that if McDonnell's supporters bump into someone who isn't planning on voting for the Republican, they should "let the air out of their tires and do not let them out of their driveway on election day."

The joke is a Huckabee favorite: he recited it countless times at campaign stops nationwide during his failed bid to win the Republican nomination in 2007 and 2008.

Nevertheless, McAuliffe — who made more than a few surrogate appearances of his own on behalf of Bill and Hillary Clinton — is accusing of Huckabee of inciting "voter suppression."

"Let's be clear," he said in a statement. "There are no jokes to be made about denying people the right to vote in this country. It's not a laughing matter. This is a right that people fought and died for, so as public figures, we must be sure that we are setting the standard."

Fuck McAuliffe. Is he concerned about the rampant vote fraud that Acorn supports? Is he concerned about miltary absentee ballots that Democrats consistently attempt to disqualify. Is he concerned about Democrats fighting tooth and nail against any form of voter ID?
Did I remember to say "Fuck him"?

467 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:31pm

re: #448 Hengineer

GULAG. The high point of the Soviet experience. Even Putin has rejected it.

468 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:33pm

If the economy improves, it will be despite of Obama's reckless spending and socialist polices. Once the tax hikes hit- bam. game over.

469 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:46:45pm

re: #445 rawmuse

Alinsky’s 1971 book, “Rules for Radicals,” is a favorite of the Obamas. Michele Obama quoted it at the Democratic Convention. One Alinsky tactic is to “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

That’s what the White House did in targeting Rush Limbaugh...

Link

Don't forget the AIG execs....

470 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:02pm

re: #441 pink freud

Speaking of Huckabee, he's gone and stepped on some toes:

Terry McAuliffe not laughing at Huckabee joke

"During a recent appearance on behalf of Bob McDonnell — the Republican candidate for governor — Huckabee wisecracked that if McDonnell's supporters bump into someone who isn't planning on voting for the Republican, they should "let the air out of their tires and do not let them out of their driveway on election day."

The joke is a Huckabee favorite: he recited it countless times at campaign stops nationwide during his failed bid to win the Republican nomination in 2007 and 2008.

Nevertheless, McAuliffe — who made more than a few surrogate appearances of his own on behalf of Bill and Hillary Clinton — is accusing of Huckabee of inciting "voter suppression."

"Let's be clear," he said in a statement. "There are no jokes to be made about denying people the right to vote in this country. It's not a laughing matter. This is a right that people fought and died for, so as public figures, we must be sure that we are setting the standard."



Oh really?

471 Pyrocles  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:12pm

My Father considers himself a Conservative, but voted for Obama. You should see the man-crush he has on The One... It's like "there is one god, Obama, and Matthews is his prophet..."

My very conservative major hunting enthusiast uncle, who is also a major racist (go figure), also voted for Obama due to his incredible hatred of Bush. Altough an avid hunter, he desires encompassing gun-control laws (again, go figure). Well, he is a retired local UAW president...

re: #436 ArchangelMichael

Exactly, I don't know a single person who claims to be conservative or a republican who voted for Obama. I know a lot of people who claim to be independent (but seem to always vote 'D' in an almost mindless kneejerk way) who did, but no conservatives.

Besides some out-of-touch-with-reality "Beltway Insiders".... who are these mystery Obama-voting Republicans?

472 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:14pm

re: #453 Hengineer

I think what he meant is the political corruption that has taken hold.

Chicago is just so huge and so cosmopolitan that the citizens just spend all their energy working and living...I get it...they have always been reluctant to rock the boat as long as the garbage pickup is timely

473 Archimedes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:26pm

re: #403 jcm

Lenin's a** hanging in the breeze......

Bomb blows hole in Lenin statue


haha :-)

And I always called Lenin an "ass". Now what do I call him?

474 Jack Burton  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:34pm

re: #454 soxfan4life

I consider myself a social moderate and a fiscal conservative. I could possibly vote for a Dem if the GOP doesn't get out of bed with the religous right, but no way no how could I vote for a friggin commie like BHO.

I do too but my 2 main concerns are economics and foreign policy. I see exactly zero prominent democrats who agree with my positions on them right now. I think its better to try beat the moonbat out of the GoP then to try to beat the capitalist into the democrats.

475 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:45pm

re: #432 Russkilitlover

You're right, that is the correct term, but writing "fascist" seemed a bit ODS to me so I wrote socialism. But I think we all should just call it what it is.

/An outrage?

476 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #458 jaunte

I think having access to the information might be useful, I just don't trust that any government agency will be fast enough to keep up.

Maybe just the fact that the fund managers know they're being watched will be a deterrent. Even if the agency can't keep up in real time they can always trace down monkey business after the fact.

477 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #444 Soona'

You're again missing the point. The only thing that's real is what he's done so far and what he has verbally expressed that he will do. He's a socialist and he's trying to impose socialism on our capitalist system by way of congress and surrendering US sovereignty. He's doing it as we speak. No imagination needed.

Kilgore doesn't need evidence. He has faith in the potential of our oh-so-earnest and hardworking leader.

478 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:08pm

re: #465 the1sgjohns

Montana! Dude.

Well I was about to say "Coal mines in west virginia?" but then I realized that he's going to bankrupt that industry, so how about Bird Shit collecters (that job green enough?)

479 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:16pm

re: #443 nikis-knight

Eh, you're saying what several others have said on these threads, but I think anyone who uses the 'f' word is going to be implied to be a big stupid meanie by those who think we should give Change! a chance.

I get that point but I believe the argument can easily be turned in the Republican's favor. Every time "fail" is brought up it gives an opportunity to talk about an alternative program and solution.

I think people will be able to see through it. Besides, it will be the MSM or Democrats that will bring up "fail". They can be made to look like they think the public is stupid.

480 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:23pm

re: #470 loppyd

Good one!

481 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:32pm

re: #472 albusteve

Chicago is just so huge and so cosmopolitan that the citizens just spend all their energy working and living...I get it...they have always been reluctant to rock the boat as long as the garbage pickup is timely

Sounds about right.

482 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:53pm
483 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #466 LGoPs

Fuck McAuliffe. Is he concerned about the rampant vote fraud that Acorn supports? Is he concerned about miltary absentee ballots that Democrats consistently attempt to disqualify. Is he concerned about Democrats fighting tooth and nail against any form of voter ID?
Did I remember to say "Fuck him"?

You are correct. McAuliffe is a corrupt Clinton boot licker.

484 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:48:59pm

re: #460 beens21

Hey, Ward: Don't spend it all at once, big boy! ;-)

485 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #469 jcm

Don't forget the AIG execs....

He made another dig at them today.

President Obama this afternoon expressed confidence that the economic and regulatory steps the G-20 countries committed to this afternoon will mark "a turning point in our pursuit of global economic recovery."

"In life, there are no guarantees, and in economics, there are no guarantees," the president said when asked if he was confident that the measures would help the world avoid a depression or deeper recession. "The people who thought they could provide guarantees -- many of them worked at AIG, and it didn't work out so well. So -- so there are always risks involved."

That said, the president said he had "no doubt... that the steps that have been taken are critical to preventing us sliding into a depression." Another way of putting it, he said, was that "the steps in the communiqué were necessary. Whether they're sufficient, ...we've got to wait and see."

I'm reassured.

/

486 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:04pm

re: #441 pink freud

Speaking of Huckabee, he's gone and stepped on some toes:

Terry McAuliffe not laughing at Huckabee joke

"During a recent appearance on behalf of Bob McDonnell — the Republican candidate for governor — Huckabee wisecracked that if McDonnell's supporters bump into someone who isn't planning on voting for the Republican, they should "let the air out of their tires and do not let them out of their driveway on election day."

The joke is a Huckabee favorite: he recited it countless times at campaign stops nationwide during his failed bid to win the Republican nomination in 2007 and 2008.

Nevertheless, McAuliffe — who made more than a few surrogate appearances of his own on behalf of Bill and Hillary Clinton — is accusing of Huckabee of inciting "voter suppression."

"Let's be clear," he said in a statement. "There are no jokes to be made about denying people the right to vote in this country. It's not a laughing matter. This is a right that people fought and died for, so as public figures, we must be sure that we are setting the standard."

McAuliffe is just pissed that Huckabee stole his idea.

487 Kragar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:07pm

re: #471 Pyrocles

My Father considers himself a Conservative, but voted for Obama. You should see the man-crush he has on The One... It's like "there is one god, Obama, and Matthews is his prophet..."

My very conservative major hunting enthusiast uncle, who is also a major racist (go figure), also voted for Obama due to his incredible hatred of Bush. Altough an avid hunter, he desires encompassing gun-control laws (again, go figure). Well, he is a retired local UAW president...

My father says he's conservative, but says every Republican since and including Reagan has been destroying the country and he voted for Obama.

Family gatherings are fun.

488 Mirage  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #390 Killian Bundy

Whoa, dude, you seem to have developed quite the head over heels man crush on Ear Leader lately.

/can we just call you avanti Jr. now?

Is it officially a bro-mance? :)

489 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:39pm

re: #479 HelloDare

I get that point but I believe the argument can easily be turned in the Republican's favor. Every time "fail" is brought up it gives an opportunity to talk about an alternative program and solution.

I think people will be able to see through it. Besides, it will be the MSM or Democrats that will bring up "fail". They can be made to look like they think the public is stupid.

They already think that, but has that ever stopped them? And that has ever stopped the CNBC, MSNBC, CNN watchers from believing them?

490 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:49:53pm

re: #466 LGoPs

Fuck McAuliffe. Is he concerned about the rampant vote fraud that Acorn supports? Is he concerned about miltary absentee ballots that Democrats consistently attempt to disqualify. Is he concerned about Democrats fighting tooth and nail against any form of voter ID?
Did I remember to say "Fuck him"?

491 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:50:11pm

re: #490 pink freud

Choir.

492 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:50:24pm

re: #480 the1sgjohns

Good one!

Sorry for linking to MSNBC but it had the most detail, believe it or not.

493 jaunte  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:50:32pm

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Maybe; I just get an echo of that quote about always "fighting the last war" when I see stories about how the regulators will now have the tools to stop financial misdealing.

494 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #482 Iron Fist

That is one of the things I'm curious about. We've spent the better part of a year being told if we don't act immediately the economy is going to completely collapse. I'm not an economist, but I have a sneaking suspicion that things have been, well, overstated.

Exaggerated, not to put too fine a point on it.

Is 3 Wood around? He's the resident expert on economics, and he has said he is expecting hyperinflation from this spring's overenthusiastic bailing out of everyone BUT the American taxpayer.

That's whats interesting. I keep having a discussion with some of my coworkers, basically saying that a better stimulus would've been to just take the "stimulus money", divvy it amongst the voters and just pay the voters directly.

495 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #473 Archimedes

haha :-)

And I always called Lenin an "ass". Now what do I call him?

Now he's just a 'hole!

496 Salem  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:18pm

re: #393 opnion

And what the hell is that big toothy grin of his? He looks like he is competeing for Miss Universe!

It's his gallows smile.

497 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:20pm

OT

Ward Churchill wins...

One-dollar.

Churchill wins case, $1 in damages

498 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:30pm

re: #487 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My father says he's conservative, but says every Republican since and including Reagan has been destroying the country and he voted for Obama.

Family gatherings are fun.

Yikes.

499 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:31pm

re: #470 loppyd

If we adopt ACORN standards, we all should be out stuffing the ballot boxes in NY 20 right now! ;-)

500 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:37pm

re: #470 loppyd


Oh really?

Now, loppy, that's not playin' fair!

/liberal whine

501 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:48pm

they create the problem then after awhile they come to the rescue and solve it.....some people here actually fall for this bullshit

502 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:51:57pm

re: #497 Gus 802

OT

Ward Churchill wins...

One-dollar.

Churchill wins case, $1 in damages

Now he can make any long distance phone call, just dial 10-10-220!

503 opnion  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:02pm

Later Gators.

504 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:12pm

re: #471 Pyrocles

My Father considers himself a Conservative, but voted for Obama. You should see the man-crush he has on The One... It's like "there is one god, Obama, and Matthews is his prophet..."

My very conservative major hunting enthusiast uncle, who is also a major racist (go figure), also voted for Obama due to his incredible hatred of Bush. Altough an avid hunter, he desires encompassing gun-control laws (again, go figure). Well, he is a retired local UAW president...

Does schizophrenia run in your family?

505 Mirage  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:16pm

re: #441 pink freud

Speaking of Huckabee, he's gone and stepped on some toes:

Terry McAuliffe not laughing at Huckabee joke

"During a recent appearance on behalf of Bob McDonnell — the Republican candidate for governor — Huckabee wisecracked that if McDonnell's supporters bump into someone who isn't planning on voting for the Republican, they should "let the air out of their tires and do not let them out of their driveway on election day."

The joke is a Huckabee favorite: he recited it countless times at campaign stops nationwide during his failed bid to win the Republican nomination in 2007 and 2008.

Nevertheless, McAuliffe — who made more than a few surrogate appearances of his own on behalf of Bill and Hillary Clinton — is accusing of Huckabee of inciting "voter suppression."

"Let's be clear," he said in a statement. "There are no jokes to be made about denying people the right to vote in this country. It's not a laughing matter. This is a right that people fought and died for, so as public figures, we must be sure that we are setting the standard."

Terry McAuliffe is a joke in and of himself ...

506 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:17pm

re: #497 Gus 802

OT

Ward Churchill wins...

One-dollar.

Churchill wins case, $1 in damages

Here's a buck you schmuck.

507 Jack Burton  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:18pm

re: #487 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My father says he's conservative, but says every Republican since and including Reagan has been destroying the country and he voted for Obama.

Family gatherings are fun.

People say a lot of things like that apparently. Just like all the people I know who say that they are "independents" but spout DNC and commie talking points at the drop of a hat and always vote for democrats.

508 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:22pm

re: #501 albusteve

they create the problem then after awhile they come to the rescue and solve it.....some people here actually fall for this bullshit

Wag the dog!

509 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:28pm

re: #493 jaunte

Yeah, I'm sure whatever they devise someone will quickly come up with a way to cheat the system. I'm not sure if there's a way to avoid that but I guess you have to just keep plugging the dyke.

510 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:31pm

Something strange is happenning.
Michelle has almost overnight become more popular with the media than Barack.

511 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:43pm

Ward Churchill won $1.00 award.

512 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:43pm

re: #503 opnion

Later Gators.

Latah Tatah

513 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:46pm

re: #491 pink freud

Choir.

I know you're in the choir. Thanks for pointing out the article. We need to be constantly reminded of what shameless lairs bastards like McAuliffe are.
Eternal vigilance and all that.
:)

514 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:52:56pm

re: #501 albusteve

they create the problem then after awhile they come to the rescue and solve it.....some people here actually fall for this bullshit

You left out a step, they create a problem, blame the opposition, then claim to lay out a plan to fix it, which only makes it worse.

515 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:53:10pm

re: #502 Hengineer

re: #506 loppyd

I love it. One buck. I bet he's red in the face. Now he can buy himself a Milky Way bar.

516 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:53:16pm

re: #510 Spare O'Lake

Something strange is happenning.
Michelle has almost overnight become more popular with the media than Barack.

If Barry makes some quip about being the man who accompanied her to Europe I will most definitely barf.

517 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:53:33pm

re: #510 Spare O'Lake

Something strange is happenning.
Michelle has almost overnight become more popular with the media than Barack.

I think its a tabloid thing
What god-awful combination of patterns and colors is she going to wear today?

518 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Maybe just the fact that the fund managers know they're being watched will be a deterrent. Even if the agency can't keep up in real time they can always trace down monkey business after the fact.


Right. Because international regualtory agencies would never get in bed with those they are supposed to be watching.
Saddam was sooo worried about his inspectors, huh?
Iran had no chance of getting atomic weapons with El-whatisface after him, huh?
UN peacekeepers never cooperate with Hamas, huh?
I mean, surely all the Oil-for-Food scam money was found, right?

But no, I'm sure whatever regulations this international group set up will stop the bad guys and be scupulous about turning away bribes and such, and have zero personal agenda about, oh, punishing buisinesses of the imperialist yankees.
/just a little

519 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:53:42pm

re: #497 Gus 802

Well, Gus, that was one of your prettiest posts evah. :-)

520 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #506 loppyd

Here's a buck you schmuck.

Its should be taxed at 90 percent. ;)

521 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:54:28pm

re: #497 Gus 802

OT

Ward Churchill wins...

One-dollar.

Churchill wins case, $1 in damages

That's awesome. It's almost better than if he'd lost.

522 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #515 Gus 802

re: #506 loppyd

I love it. One buck. I bet he's red in the face. Now he can buy himself a Milky Way bar.

Juries can be a fickle bunch. I won't comment on the case as I didn't see all of the testimony and evidence, but assuming they got the law right they certainly didn't feel the love for the Fake Indian.

523 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #519 pink freud

Well, Gus, that was one of your prettiest posts evah. :-)

Thank you. Thank you very much.

When I first read it I thought it said 1 million. I had to rub my eyes for a second look.

524 wiffersnapper  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:01pm

didn't realize I typo'd Mitt's last name *nerf nerf nerf*

525 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:02pm

re: #510 Spare O'Lake

Something strange is happenning.
Michelle has almost overnight become more popular with the media than Barack.

It's her toned-arm rays.

526 midwestgak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:03pm

re: #447 albusteve

indeed...but by and large Chicago is not over run by moonbats on the streets...the people seem (to me) to be just good Midwestern folks...but it is huge and the bats are there someplace obviously

True albusteve. Chicago/suburbs have residents with a Midwest mind set as central as Kansas. The problem is that MOST of the leadership are moonbats. It's a quandary in my mind why they were/are elected into power over and over.
quan·da·ry
Pronunciation: ˈkwän-d(ə-)rē
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural quan·da·ries
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1579
: a state of perplexity or doubt

527 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:29pm

re: #514 rawmuse

You left out a step, they create a problem, blame the opposition, then claim to lay out a plan to fix it, which only makes it worse.

right....must be at least a 3000yr old ploy...

528 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:36pm

re: #522 loppyd

Juries can be a fickle bunch. I won't comment on the case as I didn't see all of the testimony and evidence, but assuming they got the law right they certainly didn't feel the love for the Fake Indian.

How

529 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #511 Perplexed

Ward Churchill won $1.00 award.

HA!

Why does a judge get to decide if he should get his job back?

530 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #497 Gus 802

OT

Ward Churchill wins...

One-dollar.

Churchill wins case, $1 in damages


So does this mean dickface gets his job back? The article doesn't say..

531 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:51pm

re: #514 rawmuse

You left out a step, they create a problem, blame the opposition, then claim to lay out a plan to fix it, which only makes it worse.

They are trying to create more and more dependents ... the battered wife thing ... Bush and the republicans beat you up so bad ... only we can help you now ... they got it down ... there is a method to what they are doing and we know it ... they let it slip out sometimes ... even the most nuts ... remember Maxine Waters when she slipped up at a hearing once and said they would just nationalize oil companies ... if people really knew the history of Pelosi, et al ... they would run ... I swear I wish I had known sooner ...

532 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #447 albusteve

indeed...but by and large Chicago is not over run by moonbats on the streets...the people seem (to me) to be just good midwestern folks...but it is huge and the bats are there someplace obviously

You know, I had a really good time in Indianapolis, oddly enough. It's just big enough to be metropolitan, but without all the dirty streets and bums and crime. And GenCon is another reason to go.

533 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:13pm

Perhaps I'm just feeling more cynical than usual today because I'm not feeling well.... but I don't feel like being nice, dammit.

I'll either keep my mouth shut or give kudos when he does something right, fine.

But the man is a damned Socialist.
If he behaves like an asshole in public, does something destructive (and 80 - 90 percent of what he does is), or compromises our national security, then by God I'm going to say what I think.

534 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:14pm

re: #521 doppelganglander

That's awesome. It's almost better than if he'd lost.

You just know when the verdict was read he was waiting for the big money award. Oh to have been a fly on the wall.

535 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:30pm

re: #506 loppyd

Here's a buck you schmuck.

I hope his attorney worked on contingency.

536 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:42pm

re: #520 DEZes

Its should be taxed at 90 percent. ;)

LOL......
:)

537 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:44pm

re: #454 soxfan4life

I consider myself a social moderate and a fiscal conservative. I could possibly vote for a Dem if the GOP doesn't get out of bed with the religous right, but no way no how could I vote for a friggin commie like BHO.

* * * *
Well two can play at that game: If you're a union labor thug, I'm not getting in bed with you.

538 HelloDare  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:48pm

re: #511 Perplexed

Ward Churchill won $1.00 award.

He can buy a new feather.

539 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #530 LGoPs

So does this mean dickface gets his job back? The article doesn't say..

I was thinking about that. Perhaps.

The jury asked to give an award of zero-dollars. The judge told them it had to be one-dollar.

540 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #523 Gus 802

Me too! I had to read it twice.

541 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:57:09pm

Obama failed at foreign relations protocol.

542 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:57:44pm

re: #539 Gus 802

I was thinking about that. Perhaps.

The jury asked to give an award of zero-dollars. The judge told them it had to be one-dollar.

Must be a minimum-prize thing.

543 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:57:47pm

Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape'...

This just in from the religion of peace.

544 Salem  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:58:19pm

*shrug* What is there to say about this anymore? People railing against a sound-byte who obviously don't intend to listen to anything else the man says. Whatever.

545 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:58:30pm

re: #529 MandyManners

HA!

Why does a judge get to decide if he should get his job back?

They should pay him what he is worth - $1.00/annum.

546 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:58:33pm

re: #535 jcm

I hope his attorney worked on contingency.

That would mean Churchill paid no legal fees, though.

I'd like to think they did a hybrid fee agreement.

547 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:58:42pm

re: #542 Hengineer

Must be a minimum-prize thing.

Yeah, probably has to be greater than zero with a dollar amount.

548 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:58:47pm

re: #543 the1sgjohns

Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape'...

This just in from the religion of peace.

How dare you denigrate their culture, who is to say that one culture is better than another?

/s

549 Thor-Zone  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:02pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat

Induce the vomiting. Purge the Obama administration. I'm tired of working harder and taking home less. I'm tired of following the rules only to have the vultures pick through the bones. How much more can this government take from me?

Everything you have.

550 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:10pm

re: #538 HelloDare

He can buy a new feather.

he's a Chief!...he must capture an eagle with his bare HANDS!

551 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:29pm

re: #548 Hengineer

You funny sarge, now pass the condom!

552 Pyrocles  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:39pm

Hehe, you'd think so.

THE biggest political issue for my Father is border security. He's strongly opposed to illegal immigration. He hates Republicans because he blames them solely for the illegal immigrant mess, and also for outsourcing jobs to China and India. He knows nothing about the Left, and their borderless, nationless, one-world view.

re: #504 doppelganglander

Does schizophrenia run in your family?

553 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #543 the1sgjohns

Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape'...

This just in from the religion of peace.

See... Bush was elected, and rape is legalized!

Only half sarc. Sometimes I wish we had a bit heavier-hand with our 'conquered' nations. Too worried about reaction of the RoP'ers, I guess.

554 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #531 JacksonTn

People like me, who have the ability to provide for themselves, are this administrations worst nightmare.

They want us all to have to suckle from the Federal teat.
Then, we will all have to sing from the same songbook to get our daily bread.

Meanwhile I have to defend every dollar I make, as if I have committed a crime, which, in their eyes, I have done.

There is a word for it:

Tyranny.

555 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:56pm

re: #545 Perplexed

They should pay him what he is worth - $1.00/annum.

$1.00 per anus......which is what he is.
/

556 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #543 the1sgjohns

Dont'cha hate it when you post a link right when a new thread pops up?

I keep reading about this new law, but I have yet to read it myself. I sure would like the text itself.

557 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:00:25pm

re: #553 nikis-knight

See... Bush was elected, and rape is legalized!

Only half sarc. Sometimes I wish we had a bit heavier-hand with our 'conquered' nations. Too worried about reaction of the RoP'ers, I guess.

whatever Cameron!

:)

558 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:00:35pm

re: #463 Hengineer

I see myself in the same category as you, which is why the Repubs in the past decade have completely turned me off, they're either the religious right or the so-called "compassionate conservatives" who spend money like trust fund kiddies with daddy's credit card.

* * * *See 462 about what's in your future if you want to really get turned off.

559 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:00:42pm

re: #533 Irish Rose

Keeping people like you silent is the entire purpose of the media charm- offensive on behalf of Obama. We can see the dregs of that operation right here on this site.
Don't worry, commom sense and decency will never be marginalized, it'll just seem that way for a while.

560 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:00:50pm

re: #553 nikis-knight

See... Bush was elected, and rape is legalized!

Only half sarc. Sometimes I wish we had a bit heavier-hand with our 'conquered' nations. Too worried about reaction of the RoP'ers, I guess.

Did you mean BHO was elected?

561 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:01:08pm

re: #555 LGoPs

$1.00 per anus......which is what he is.
/

Well it IS what they awarded him.

562 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:01:14pm

re: #548 Hengineer

How dare you denigrate their culture, who is to say that one culture is better than another?

/s

Just heard something like that yesterday, in person.
Incredibly revolting I tells ya.

563 brookly red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:01:30pm

re: #521 doppelganglander

That's awesome. It's almost better than if he'd lost.

No this is an outrage. He will make big bucks on the lib talk shows & the like...

564 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:01:37pm

I have never been a Romney fan, but I applaud him here.

I really don't like the recent "limbaugh-fication" of the party. It reeks of laziness and lowbrow thought. We really don't need a radio rabble rouser like Rush to play into the worst stereotypes that the left already has.

We are better than some ratings obsessed radio guy. We can have class and dignity and still drive our message home without crawling in the mud of sideshow radio guys.

That being said, I am all for america doing well and I am all for Obama getting his ass handed to him in the next elections.

565 Sheepdogess  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:01:56pm

If Obama is a statist, I hope he fails.

566 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:02:20pm

re: #562 callahan23

Just heard something like that yesterday, in person.
Incredibly revolting I tells ya.

Worse still is the argument that complete and utter monarchy/dictatorship/tyranny is the kind of government that suits them.

As if they don't deserve to be free.

567 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:02:22pm

re: #543 the1sgjohns

Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape'...

This just in from the religion of peace.

Fucking barbarians.

568 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:02:33pm
569 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:02:39pm

re: #546 loppyd

That would mean Churchill paid no legal fees, though.

I'd like to think they did a hybrid fee agreement.

Don't attorneys who work on a contingency usually ask for one-third of any award? Woo-hoooooo! That's a whole 33⅓ cents, rounded up to the next whole cent, make that 34 cents! Woo-hoooooo!

570 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:03pm

re: #556 pink freud

Dont'cha hate it when you post a link right when a new thread pops up?

I keep reading about this new law, but I have yet to read it myself. I sure would like the text itself.

I had to quit reading the article.

571 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:15pm

re: #565 Sheepdogess

Hey did you read that article about Sheep and Sheep Dogs? I will see if I can find it. Hey is to hoping you are a sheepdog.

572 Soona'  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:28pm

re: #469 jcm

Don't forget the AIG execs....

Joe the Plumber.

573 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:46pm

re: #552 Pyrocles

Hehe, you'd think so.

THE biggest political issue for my Father is border security. He's strongly opposed to illegal immigration. He hates Republicans because he blames them solely for the illegal immigrant mess, and also for outsourcing jobs to China and India. He knows nothing about the Left, and their borderless, nationless, one-world view.

I'm with him on that one. The Republicans want cheap labor for the meatpacking plants and construction sites, while the Democrats are salivating over a new grievance group that can be exploited for fun and profit. No one is representing the interests of average working people at all.

574 the1sgjohns  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:58pm

re: #567 MandyManners

Manners Mandy, we don't want to offend them. Ah! yes we do.

575 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:03:59pm

re: #560 the1sgjohns

Did you mean BHO was elected?

No, that's what was said during the 2004 election, though regarding America and the woman who said it is an... well, less than a lady.

But I don't know if Bush would have told the government of Afghanistan,"I don't care if you think that is Islam, there's no way we are allowing that while we are allied with you." But then, I don't know if we have the right to say that or not... It's conflicting, but mostly just disgusting.

576 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:04:04pm

re: #569 Macker

Don't attorneys who work on a contingency usually ask for one-third of any award? Woo-hoooooo! That's a whole 33⅓ cents, rounded up to the next whole cent, make that 34 cents! Woo-hoooooo!

That's the kind of check I keep on the wall. It costs more to drive to the bank to cash it.

577 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:04:07pm

re: #546 loppyd

That would mean Churchill paid no legal fees, though.

I'd like to think they did a hybrid fee agreement.

I was thinking the attorney that would take Fraud Molehill would get paid 33¢.

578 Ghost707  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:04:31pm

Democrats control EVERYTHING in this country now.
They control almost all media, television programs, Hollywood, schools from kindergarten through college campuses, almost every federal employee is a Democrat. Now they are running private companies by force.

Republicans playing nice brought us Obama. (Just ask McCain)

Democrats have been vicious liars - and look who is in power.

If the adage that nice guys finish first was true - I could agree.

But the Democrats have already shown us that nice guys finish last.

Obama did not rise to power by being a nice guy. He was a ruthless, lying, conniving Chicago politician.

579 debutaunt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:04:49pm

re: #535 jcm

I hope his attorney worked on contingency.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

580 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:04:52pm

re: #564 Egregious Philbin

I have never been a Romney fan, but I applaud him here.

I really don't like the recent "limbaugh-fication" of the party. It reeks of laziness and lowbrow thought. We really don't need a radio rabble rouser like Rush to play into the worst stereotypes that the left already has.

We are better than some ratings obsessed radio guy. We can have class and dignity and still drive our message home without crawling in the mud of sideshow radio guys.

That being said, I am all for america doing well and I am all for Obama getting his ass handed to him in the next elections.


That's rather, erm, lowbrow of you.

581 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:05:03pm

re: #570 MandyManners

On its face, it is surely despicable. There's all this reporting on this new law ....but where is it? Are we all supposed to get outraged about second hand information? I really would like to see the text. I cannot find it anywhere.

582 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:05:08pm

re: #427 jcm

ACORN is real good at find more people than there are.

It's quite humorous that we're going to spend millions, if not billions, working with "community organizations" to find and count every last illegal alien in the United States, yet the INS has been told to stand down and virtually prevented from doing the exact same thing in order to enforce U.S. immigration laws.

/off the irony meter scale

583 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:05:11pm

I don't care much for Romney - he always looks like he's holding a flashlight under his chin, no matter how the room is lit - but I agree with him on this point. Turning into a pack of poo-flinging monkeys isn't going to win us any support from the vast middle. Snark and insult only serves to whip up those who already support you; it tends to drive more moderate voters away.

I'm reminded of the story told by a member of an extremely exclusive, secretive club in our area. Although the membership is tight-lipped about everything that goes on there, the occasional rumor leaks out, and one member was asked to confirm the tale that the club's dinners all began with a toast to the President. The member was quick to deny this: "No, that isn't true at all. During some Administrations, we offer a toast to the Office of the Presidency."

It's an attitude worth bearing in mind.

584 callahan23  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:05:34pm

re: #566 Hengineer

Worse still is the argument that complete and utter monarchy/dictatorship/tyranny is the kind of government that suits them.

As if they don't deserve to be free.

And it is racist and misogynist and ...
Oh shugs!
So futile to argue with these fucks.

585 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:06:08pm

re: #571 the1sgjohns

Hey did you read that article about Sheep and Sheep Dogs? I will see if I can find it. Hey is to hoping you are a sheepdog.

ejectjejecteject.com
tribes, iirc.

586 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:06:10pm

re: #563 brookly red

No this is an outrage. He will make big bucks on the lib talk shows & the like...

I'm not so sure. I don't think he's all that popular except with a few of his smelly hippie students. $1 is a slap in the face -- it's like leaving a tip in pennies at a bad restaurant. Much more effective than no tip at all.

587 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:06:22pm

re: #578 Ghost707

The force is strong in this one.

588 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:06:38pm

re: #578 Ghost707

Ok. So what are you going to do about it?

/not being mean, seriously asking

589 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:07:26pm

re: #515 Gus 802

re: #506 loppyd

I love it. One buck. I bet he's red in the face. Now he can buy himself a Milky Way bar.

Unfortunately, the door to his old teaching position is now flung open again. I seriously hope that the University appeals this verdict

590 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:07:56pm

re: #586 doppelganglander

I'm not so sure. I don't think he's all that popular except with a few of his smelly hippie students. $1 is a slap in the face -- it's like leaving a tip in pennies at a bad restaurant. Much more effective than no tip at all.

lol The judge should give it to him in a $1 roll of 100 pennies.

That'd be funny.

591 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:09:13pm

re: #585 nikis-knight

Let me know if you need help finding it. I looked for it a while back and it's gone. Whittle has changed his site, is now under the umbrella of [I can't remember who -- PJ Media?]. You've got to go through the wayback machine to get it.

592 Ghost707  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:11:27pm

re: #588 pink freud

Ok. So what are you going to do about it?

/not being mean, seriously asking


Vote for the Republican candidate that the Democrats allow us to run (you know the one that promises bipartisanship - so we can lose another election.)

593 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:11:53pm
594 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:12:25pm

re: #589 SixDegrees

Unfortunately, the door to his old teaching position is now flung open again. I seriously hope that the University appeals this verdict

True. We'll have to wait and see the final detail. He might be due back pay and a return to his teaching position -- I don't know. I was expecting a worse verdict in that he could have received a damage award closer to millions of dollars.

595 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:12:28pm

re: #592 Ghost707

Vote for the Republican candidate that the Democrats allow us to run (you know the one that promises bipartisanship - so we can lose another election.)

Tell me any candidate that can actually win without promising bipartisanship.

596 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:13:16pm

re: #571 the1sgjohns

Hey did you read that article about Sheep and Sheep Dogs? I will see if I can find it. Hey is to hoping you are a sheepdog.

Bill Whittle used it in his essay Tribes. It originates in On Combat: The Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and Peace by LtC. Dave Grossman.

Sheep dogs....

597 Ghost707  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:14:23pm

re: #587 DEZes

The force is strong in this one.

I'm just mad today because the Democrats are spending us into oblivion for the benefit of re-election and not economic recovery.

598 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:15:08pm

re: #569 Macker

Don't attorneys who work on a contingency usually ask for one-third of any award? Woo-hoooooo! That's a whole 33⅓ cents, rounded up to the next whole cent, make that 34 cents! Woo-hoooooo!

I wonder if the Court will make the school pay his attorney's fees, though. I bet they ask for them.

599 loppyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:16:11pm

re: #577 jcm

I was thinking the attorney that would take Fraud Molehill would get paid 33¢.

That would be a beautiful thing, but would mean Churchill payed ZERO.

600 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:16:47pm
601 DEZes  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:16:53pm

re: #597 Ghost707

It was a compliment.

602 Gus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:17:48pm

re: #589 SixDegrees

Unfortunately, the door to his old teaching position is now flung open again. I seriously hope that the University appeals this verdict

Just read one story that the possibility of him getting his job back will come later.

603 jcm  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #599 loppyd

That would be a beautiful thing, but would mean Churchill payed ZERO.

But after taxes he'd have 32¢ for his effort.

604 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:19:05pm

re: #564 Egregious Philbin

I have never been a Romney fan, but I applaud him here.

I really don't like the recent "limbaugh-fication" of the party. It reeks of laziness and lowbrow thought. We really don't need a radio rabble rouser like Rush to play into the worst stereotypes that the left already has.

We are better than some ratings obsessed radio guy. We can have class and dignity and still drive our message home without crawling in the mud of sideshow radio guys.

That being said, I am all for america doing well and I am all for Obama getting his ass handed to him in the next elections.

* * * * *
No one forces you to listen to anyone you dislike in this country.
Rush Limbaugh has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants--NOT on your tax dollar, like the presumably "better" radio personalities on National Public Radio. (If you think Public Taxpayer Radio is fair & balanced, you're wrong)
Limbaugh has a platform because he is popular and evidently earns money for his sponsors; he is NOT a politician and isn't elected to "represent" anyone.

605 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:19:55pm
606 Ghost707  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:20:27pm

re: #595 Hengineer

Tell me any candidate that can actually win without promising bipartisanship.

Obama didn't have a bipartisan bone in his body - McCain was a true Bipartisan.
Look who is President.

607 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:21:24pm

re: #605 Iron Fist

Pay the motherfucker a penny a month for the next 100 months. Yeah, it's petty, but it'd also be funny :-)

I'm sorry Mr. Churchill, but to the down nature of this economy, the university can't afford to pay you $1 up front, but is going to have to put it on layaway.

We'll pay you $0.10 down and $.01 per month for 90 months. The court has decreed that there will be no interest.

608 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:22:54pm

re: #606 Ghost707

Obama didn't have a bipartisan bone in his body - McCain was a true Bipartisan.
Look who is President.

Notice that's not what I said. Obama promised bipartisanship. Whether he actually does it or not wasn't the question ;-)

609 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:24:59pm

re: #600 Iron Fist

That sucks. Fortunately, whatever our differences my family is all Republican, even my middle sister who sometimes leans Democrat on individual issues. I don't know what you do with someone like your father. How do you get them to understand that their whole world-view is based on fallacy?

* * **
Barack their world?

610 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:25:49pm

re: #604 alegrias
Amen - another Spot On Post! He's an entertainer - if he didn't have a popular pov or at least talk show - he wouldn't be on the air.
Some folks try to make Rush out something more and some folks make him out to be something less than he really is: an entertainer.
In fact, a few days after the Rush/Obama kerfulle started, Rasmussen polled Republican Likely Voters and found that only 11% believed Rush was the "leader" of the Republican Party.

611 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:26:47pm
612 Ghost707  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:27:11pm

re: #608 Hengineer

Notice that's not what I said. Obama promised bipartisanship. Whether he actually does it or not wasn't the question ;-)

Yeah, I know.
I'm not mad at anyone here, LGF is my safety net from the craziness of our reality.

All these asshats in Washington need term limits.
Our government looks more like the mafia - except the mafia wear nicer suits.

613 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:30:56pm

re: #604 alegrias

* * * * *
No one forces you to listen to anyone you dislike in this country.
Rush Limbaugh has a first amendment right to say whatever he wants--NOT on your tax dollar, like the presumably "better" radio personalities on National Public Radio. (If you think Public Taxpayer Radio is fair & balanced, you're wrong)
Limbaugh has a platform because he is popular and evidently earns money for his sponsors; he is NOT a politician and isn't elected to "represent" anyone.

Where the hell did I say NPR was good? I can't stand NPR.

As Rush would say, "don't hear what I am not saying"

As for talk radio, realize its entertainment, first and foremost. Radio is a business, and talk radio is a sideshow. Get you fired up, keep you angry, keep you listening, even if its manufactured and the host may not actually think that way in real life.

At least with WWE Wrestling, you know its a fake, sadly, not so with talk radio.

614 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:32:57pm

re: #580 nikis-knight

That's rather, erm, lowbrow of you.

LOL....

OK, I am all for Obama losing, provided that him and his opponent fight fair and adhere to the Marquis of Queensbury rules and they shake hands afterwards.....

Kum bah ya...

615 annak  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:35:48pm

Sure, actually saying, " i want obama to fail," certainly pushes people's buttons, because what a typical person interprets this to mean is that the speaker wants the country to fail. unfortunately, obama's moronic ideas will be very detrimental to the country, so yeah, let's hope he doesn't get his agenda through the legislature. but romney saying this is problematic on several levels. first of all, this is politics not the kindergarten playground. politics, as it has been said, is a contact sport. it's about getting as many people from your party into office so you can get things done. romney's "make nice" attitude is NOT reflecting this. he shouldn't have even said it. look, if repubes want to wrestle congress back from the dems then the last thing they should be doing is praising them for ANYTHING. repubs need to go on the attack and not let up. they need to highlight the failures of this administration, and be silent about anything that happens to turn out "ok." why would anyone try to help the opposition in anyway shape or form wreck our economic system, usher in the new great society, and run the US into extreme debt? why? to appear "nice"? well, this isn't the time to "make nice" and romney and the rest of the reps better figure that out before it's too late!

616 coloradobuff  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:38:09pm
“He will not always be wrong.”

After all, you know what they say about a broken clock....

617 right_wing2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 4:42:45pm

No Mr. Romney, the Obamessiah won't always be wrong. He'll simply be wrong 97 times out of 100, if we're lucky.

618 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:00:33pm

My feelings on Obama are similar to Mitt's. That's what separates us from wild eyed leftists who rooted for Dubya to fail even though they were also rooting against themselves. Our best strategy is to oppose Obama when we feel he is wrong and try like crazy to influence government decisions through our representatives. And if we don't like how that is going, we need to register our disapproval in the voting booth. And if the economy improves and my 101k becomes a 401k again, I will be pleased.

But having a place like this to vent and share ideas is a great comfort. Thank you Charles.

619 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:05:25pm

re: #618 _RememberTonyC

My feelings on Obama are similar to Mitt's. That's what separates us from wild eyed leftists who rooted for Dubya to fail even though they were also rooting against themselves. Our best strategy is to oppose Obama when we feel he is wrong and try like crazy to influence government decisions through our representatives. And if we don't like how that is going, we need to register our disapproval in the voting booth. And if the economy improves and my 101k becomes a 401k again, I will be pleased.

But having a place like this to vent and share ideas is a great comfort. Thank you Charles.

* * * *
Thank you, very civil & good strategery.

This week people missed an opportunity at the VOTING BOOTH to register disapproval with Obama in New York's 20th congressional district.

Big MISSED opportunity that smart people could have used to SAY NO to the left, while being civil and seen to be civil.

620 Rule303  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:07:31pm

This is so damn frustrating!
To wish the country does well while Obama is president is not the same thing as hoping the twit succeeds!
But, similarly, hoping he fails (as I very much do) is nothing like saying you hope the USA does poorly.
The president and the country are not synonymous.
Our current president sees this country through red tinted lenses. He is a socialist and has shown every intention of forcing us into the his vision of European style statism as quickly as possible.
He and the party he leads want a government with powers far, far beyond any allowed by the Constitution, has shown a frightening willingness to ignore that inconvenient document, and is currently behaving as though there are no limits to his/their authority.
If you wish, as I do, for the Constitution to be restored as unbreachable law (God willing, this will happen some day), the chains by which the power of the Federal government is bound as a very wise man once said, then you must by definition wish for Obama to fail and fail spectacularly.
The failure of Obama's socialist program can only be good republicanism (in fact it is the only thing that will save it) and for the ideals of individual freedom on which our country was founded.
Let me say it again for the record: I want Mr. Obama to fail at every turn when it comes to his and the modern Democrat party's plans to further empower government at the cost to individual freedom. Period.

Mark

621 Shanimal1918  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:10:24pm

I'm with Charles and Mitt on this one...

622 NYCHardhat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:12:02pm

I'm with Mark Levin on this one.

623 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:27:47pm

In my opinion, the focus on Do You Want Obama To Fail? is turnspeak. That's a propaganda technique whereby you deflect attention from your oww unspeakable plans by projecting them onto your opponents and critics.

I believe his mother and other mentors Obama grew up with (such as Frank Marshall Davis), people he has idolized (such as Malcolm-X), the radicals and marxist professors he sought out in college, and people he has allied himself with since (Michelle, Wright, Pfleger, Sharpton, Farrakhan, Khalidi, etc) have planted in his mind a deep loathing for American principles of capitalism, individual freedom, military, law enforcement and our ("flawed") Constitution, to a degree that rivals that of flag-stomper Ayers, with whom he worked for several years.

BHO may not see it that way, of course. I suspect he sees himself far wiser, intelligent, compassionate, better educated, better mentored, connected and informed than our founding fathers. Perhaps he believes they merely erred in their choice of an ideology for their radical experiment in governance.

/ best I could do, Charles

624 buzzdroid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:59:06pm

just saw this evenings abc and cbs news. even though abc news had short piece on etiquette at the g20, none of them showed the Obama bow.

MSM covering up for Obama as per usual

625 dicentra  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:59:39pm

Hi Charles! Me again.

My response is here, if you're interested.

626 angryconservative  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 6:18:00pm

We don't need to wish for Obama-Rama-Ding-Dong and his Marxist minions to fail.

One only has to look at the masterful job "The Messiah" is doing in Great Briton today to see that the wheels are coming right off his trolley by his own deft touch.

Conservatives couldn't have done a better job if they tried to make him look like an incompetent boob than the job he did on himself today. These incredible breaches of protocol and common sense were so monumental that even NPR and the Communist News Network (CNN) had to cover his gaffs...

IPod with his speeches and pictures? The Black Widow touching the Queen? Bowing to a Saudi Prince? We couldn't have dreamed of this level of incompetence in a million years. And on a global media stage no less! Its fantastic!

Wish he fails? Don't need to! He is doing himself in better than I could have ever dreamed of in front of the whole world.

Tune in tomorrow same time, same channel to see what kind of an incredible ass "The Light Worker" makes of himself next...

627 cowbellallen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 7:00:13pm

re: #622 NYCHardhat

I'm with Mark Levin on this one.

What did the Great One say?

628 Samurai  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 7:13:19pm

That article got 1 thing massively wrong: We shouldn't congratulate Obama when he succeeds, we should congratulate Obama WHEN HE DOES THE RIGHT THING, whether it succeeds or not! And we should speak out against Obama WHEN HE DOES THE WRONG THING, whether he succeeds or not!

I don't want Obama to "succeed", I want him to do the right thing.

629 bse5150  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 7:20:42pm

I love LGF and am a regular reader but I respectfully disagree with your stance on wanting Obama to fail.

1) If he wins, we all fail. If he fails, we score a win, however small (as we'll still have a substantial mess to clean up)

2) People will stop worrying about who wants him to fail as much as how much money they have lost. In the end, if things are bad enough (read the Carter years), voters vote with their pocketbooks.

630 Rich H  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 7:26:52pm

First I want to say that whether we want Obama to fail or merely his policies to fail is splitting hairs at a time when the opposition should unite.

If you believe that Obama is well-meaning, but incompetent, then it makes sense that you don't want him to fail, just his policies.

If you believe that he is malevolent, and his maladroit policies are deliberate, then it is understandable that you want him personally to fail.

The problem for me is that there is evidence to support both views.

631 gnargtharst  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 7:49:41pm

I hope Obama fails. To acheive his destructive goals.

There. I'm evil.

...Seriously, is this really a big problem? Is every human on earth capable of understanding only sound-bites, and so therefore all of our statements must be pared down to infantile PC blurbs, lest somebody object to a little nuance? And assuming we do talk simply enough to not confuse these conceptually-challenged listeners... are they really the type of audience that would appreciate ideas anyways?

Barack Obama is trying to kill Thomas Jefferson. I hope he fails.

632 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 8:38:59pm

If you folks can't understand why it's simply bad politics to wish for a President to fail -- whether or not you try to qualify it by saying "it's his policies!" -- I don't know what to tell you.

633 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 8:45:50pm

re: #625 dicentra

Thanks for caring, but it's pointless to discuss this with people who are determined to marginalize themselves. Good luck with that approach, and I mean that sincerely.

634 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:00:29pm

There is a big difference between a private citizen (like myself) or an entertainer (like Rush) saying "I hope Obama fails", versus GOP politicians saying it.

The former is just a citizen's opinion, the latter comes off sounding like party platform/policy. And if the best counter republicans have to the democrat's policies is "You suck and I hope you step on your dick", then the GOP is doomed to fail.

635 Boxy_brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:11:47pm

Still at it?
Here, please excuse the repetition.

Of course I want Obama to succeed and it is precisely because I want him to do well that I am compelled to point out that what he is trying to do is going to fail and fail miserably. Socializing industries, governmental control of economies, spending your way into prosperity; all of this has a zero percent success rate. It is because I want success for Obama that I am compelled to shout loudly that what he is doing has no chance for success. If Obama fails he is going to drag the country down and I don't want to see the USA hurt by his failure, so that is why I am asking him to reverse course and peruse the proven policies of success, rather than drag us all down the well trod path to ruin.


/your buddy Rush

Rush hasn't been elected to anything by the way, he is a radio host. Allowing the DNC to make him the effective straw-man and chief for the GOP is just helping them consolidate their power, and they certainly don't need any more help. "Real" elected officials shouldn't be engaging in this kind of showmanship.

My hope is that average people will allow themselves to see through the hype and see Obama for what he is. I don't need to "wish" anything on him. He is already, sadly, exceeding all of my expectations.

636 Dave Brown  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:18:10pm

Charles:

Thanks again for putting a love of this country and it's citizens ahead of partisanship.

Its right to take a stand, and even be a party loyalist. But at the end of the day, we should at least hope for the best future of our country.

To do otherwise is self defeating.

For at nearly the next 4 years, Obama will be the President of the United States. I disagree with (and am distrustful of) him and many of his appointees on many points. But I hope that he ultimately makes more right choices than wrong choices.

In other words, "Don’t root for Obama to fail."

637 MadJadBad  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:52pm

It's a matter of semantics. Obama does not = USA. If Obama is sponsoring some bad legislation or runs for re-election, does Romney want him to succeed?

He will not always be wrong


He picks out good looking suits. I can't think of anything important that he has done right and I will be critical of him. Romney's comment insults me like McCain's comment that "You don't have to be afraid of him". I want a better candidate than Romney in 2012.

638 Rule303  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:16pm

Frankly the greater political risk is for the Republican party stay the course set by Bush of refusing battle when challenged or slandered or when the principles for which they supposedly stand are mocked and tossed aside.
Yes, Obama needs to fail, I want him to fail in his program to turn the US into a pale reflection of the EU, to crush what's left of the constitution, to make government the Sovereign an we mere subjects.
You want a winning strategy? Try these:
Say what you believe, don't obfuscate. ("I want Obama to fail" in my case.)
Tell people exactly what you stand for and act on it.
When attacked, defend and go on offensive as soon as you can.
Better still, never allow yourself to be put in a position where you have to defend, get on the offensive and stay there!
The Democrats provide a "target rich" environment with their every move and word.
(I'm tired of the excuse " the press won't let us be heard". Everyone here knows that is unadulterated BS. The alphabet soup of networks may not but what are we doing on this blog and a thousand others like it?)
Unless the Republicans take these things to heart they better get use to political impedance because the statists that are the Democrat party will continue to run roughshod over them into the foreseeable future.

Mark

639 Twenglish  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:47:21pm

It's not necessary really , anyone with a 5th grade level of education in Basic American History already knows that what Obama is doing in so far as policy is going to fail.

Obama is himself a huge success , when you consider he went from Community organizer to POTUS in as little as 6 years .

All this talk about wishing him to fail is moot and pase' , It's like telling that famous old Triple crown winning race Horse "Secretariat" that you wished she lost all the races .....

The fact is she didn't , and you can't change history ..you can only bounce back from it !

640 Jeffersonian  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:58:24pm

So far, the only thing I can say Obama has done right is taking the war to the jihadis in Pakistan.

As for the rest, I'm not very thrilled about him turning America into Peronist Argentina or Fascist Italy. If you're looking for me to cheer on his statist power grabs, Charles, count me out.

641 A.W.  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 6:25:17am

Charles,

Let me make constructive criticism. Maybe you need one longer post that talks about when we can and can't root agaisnt the president.

Because there is a bit of a contradiction between pointing out how bone-headed, freedom destroying, responsibility destroying Obama's policies often are, not to mention criticism for his scapegoating, on one hand, and saying, "but i hope he doesn't fail." maybe if you explained yourself in a little more detail more people would agree with you, because you can talk about a philosophy of loyal opposition.

642 Land Shark  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 7:23:41am

Like most Americans, I would love to see America prosper under Obama. The nation is what matters to me. The problem is I simply don't believe it will due to his horrible policies. The man has turned out to be far more of a leftist than he let on during his campaign and it's clear to many that he's implementing policies that will hurt our nation. He's determined to turn our country into another socialist state. His policies have taken aim at the economic system that has made our country one of the most prosperous as well as a bastion of freedom. Look at the stumblebum foreign policy he's pursuing that has our enemies laughing at him (and us) and realizing this is their golden opportunity to make their move. The more he implements all these policies, the more likely it becomes that our nation will suffer real long term damage. That's why so many people do hope he fails at implementing them. Maybe it's bad PR to be that honest, after all honesty doesn't seem to be prized very much these days, and a large percentage of our population seems oblivious to and unwilling to face the true nature of the man.

Every week seems to bring a fresh outrage as Obama crosses yet another line no previous President has ever crossed. I sincerely hope and pray our President steps back from these policies and changes course, but I see no sign whatsoever that will happen. Due to the control the Democrats have and the blindness of so many in the nation, I believe Obama will succeed in implementing many things that will work to the great detriment of the United States. I hope and pray I'm wrong. Please God, let me be wrong and make America prosper under Obama.

643 S'latch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 7:25:02am

Politics, in deed. Mitt Romney is a very good politician. I voted for him in the primary in 2008. When he runs for president again in a few years, he just might win . . . if Obama fails.

644 Land Shark  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 7:43:14am

I forgot to say I like Mitt Romney. While he may not be the perfect conservative (is there such an animal?), I like his common sense and the way he carries himself. I voted for him in the Florida Republican primary in '08 and he's one of my favorites for the 2012 Presidential campaign.

645 Sheepdogess  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 9:22:11am

re: #571 the1sgjohns

Hey did you read that article about Sheep and Sheep Dogs? I will see if I can find it. Hey is to hoping you are a sheepdog.

This one...
[Link: www.gleamingedge.com...]

646 Fabio P.Barbieri  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 9:41:28am

Sorry, but a RINO is exactly what Romney is. And, what is more, a shameless liar and faker. It may not matter much to you, Charles, that his record as Massachusetts governor is to the left of many Democrats, not only committed to "gay marriage" and the like, but intolerant of opposition, and, in one infamous episode, willing and ready to jail one conservative parent who objected to Mass.'s notion of "sex education". However, that this same creature should then fight his presidential primary as a conservative and try to present himself as a defender of the family and of parental rights, really beggars belief. No wonder the Republican leadership, which has repeatedly shown its contempt for conservatives and libertarians both, backed him to the hilt; and even less wonder that the Republican base, which is composed almost exclusively of conservatives and libertarians, chucked him out on his ear in spite of his shameless attempt to purchase the nomination with his family fortune. Romney is a man who will say and do anything in order to get one step further on the greasy pole. That you should take him seriously as a conservative only shows how far a good sell can take a completely worthless product.

647 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:29am

re: #641 A.W.

Charles,

Let me make constructive criticism. Maybe you need one longer post that talks about when we can and can't root agaisnt the president.

Because there is a bit of a contradiction between pointing out how bone-headed, freedom destroying, responsibility destroying Obama's policies often are, not to mention criticism for his scapegoating, on one hand, and saying, "but i hope he doesn't fail." maybe if you explained yourself in a little more detail more people would agree with you, because you can talk about a philosophy of loyal opposition.

I've already posted what I thought was a very clear explanation of my views.

And I have no interest in laying out some kind of laundry list of what's allowable and what isn't. I simply know that repeating over and over that you want Barack Obama to fail -- and many people don't even qualify this with saying they want his "policies" to fail, they say outright they want the President of the United States to FAIL -- is politically stupid. It comes across as mean-spirited and it is self-marginalizing and self-defeating.

The Democrats know this and that's why they're hammering Rush Limbaugh for saying it. For the GOP to belligerently follow along on this course and defend the FAIL meme is just plain dumb.

648 AngryDumbo  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:36am

I totally agree about the "fail" argument, Charles. We should be talking specifics, educating people of the virtues of limited government, and explaining to the public that President Obama's budget (tripling the federal deficit over 10 years) and response to the banking crisis (continuing failed TARP program and 90% tax on AIG retention bonuses) do not promote the principles of individual liberty and limited government.

Thank you for continuing to make this point. People who are willing to listen need to hear facts and context to counter the Obama/MSM narrative.

649 Canard51  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 7:30:51pm

Simply put, Charles, you are wrong. In 1974, I wanted Pierre Trudeau to fail at implementing his socialist, statist policies for Canada because I knew that these were wrong for my country and wrong for me. He rang up an unbelievable debt that has taken generations to address. His bilingual policies continue to drain the public purse and divide the country. They accomplish nothing. His disdain for the military left the Canadian forces undermanned and underfunded for decades. His belief in the multicultural mantra has set up a farcical mosaic where misogynistic ideologies are provided the same legal protections and societal acceptance as others. He believed that all ideologies are equal. This is absurd but became the accepted standard. Most Canadians thought it would mean a few more pavilions at folk fest but it has morphed into something far more sinister. People were afraid to criticize PET because he was so intelligent, persuasive, and charismatic. The media loved him, leg tingles and all. He left a legacy of failure and an acceptance of mediocrity. All of this because many people, mostly his supporters, believed that it was wrong to wish that he failed in his attempt to destroy my country. If not for a few strong people who said directly that they not only wished that he would fail but took direct action to ensure it, Canada would have been irreparably damaged. As it is, it has taken more than thirty years to undo the damage that he wrought and we are still not done. So to you I would say this, pick your poison. If you are opposed to what he is doing then you are opposed to him. Period. If you are not prepared to imbed this view and defend it, welcome to the road that many Canadians have travelled over the last thirty years. I think it was one of your patriots, Thomas Jefferson, that said the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

650 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:51:03pm

Right, I'm totally wrong. Wishing for the President to fail is a winning strategy!

White House, here we come! Look out, 2012.

651 Rule303  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 9:17:24am

How much did wishing President Bush to fail (with far less reason and far more nutcase zeal I might add) negatively effect the Democrats in the last two elections?

Mark

652 Canard51  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:34:02am

I don't really have a dog in this fight being Canadian and all. I saw what happened when people did not oppose wrong headed policies and by extension hope that those policies and the person who promoted them failed. Just sayin'.

653 bungie  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:15:15pm

This is not personal, its business. I have nothing against Obama personally, in fact, I ignore him as much as possible. I want my country to succeed. I want all of us to succeed. I believe this can only be done through conservative principles. I believe the policies of the left will cause all of us to fail. I look to the social/fiscal troubles in all the blue states and cities and I can see that already.

Just like surprise when a tiger bites a man, when that is what tigers do, people are surprised by what Obama is doing. Leftists spend other folks' money trying to redistribute the wealth. That is what is happening now.

I think we should be talking about ideas and principles and not focusing so much on the specific men, Obama, Bush, etc. Focusing so much on the individual is shallow thinking and probably a symptom of our celebrity culture and inability to think abstractly. This is ultimately not about Obama, it is about the economic system and liberty. Maybe we should all reread the Federalist Papers.

I have found if you get back to basic principles, there are many more conservatives out there than you'd think.

654 boofar  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 6:37:32am

Nah. Not Romney. Mark Sanford is a better choice. Sanford actually HAS a record of cutting pork and decreasing spending.

655 boofar  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 6:48:52am

re: #647 Charles

I've already posted what I thought was a very clear explanation of my views.

And I have no interest in laying out some kind of laundry list of what's allowable and what isn't. I simply know that repeating over and over that you want Barack Obama to fail -- and many people don't even qualify this with saying they want his "policies" to fail, they say outright they want the President of the United States to FAIL -- is politically stupid. It comes across as mean-spirited and it is self-marginalizing and self-defeating.

The Democrats know this and that's why they're hammering Rush Limbaugh for saying it. For the GOP to belligerently follow along on this course and defend the FAIL meme is just plain dumb.

Charles, what are your opinions of Mark Sanford?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I like him. Here's why.

* Big on small government. Pun intended.
* Comes from a Average U. not Ivy U. Easier to connect to.
* Is actually outside of Washington politics. All previous candidates were at least knee deep in it (if not totally submerged).
* His popularity only increased with time. That's pretty rare.

Obama. Meh. I can't comment on him from a personal sense. Seems like a nice guy. To his credit, he did lean heavily in the direction of bonuses for teachers that perform (should have gotten into school-choice while at it). He showed promise on Afghanistan with the taking out of Taliban terrorists.

However, he strikes me as incredibly naive, grossly inexperienced and more or less clueless on the diplomatic stage. He seems to think that Keynesian economics will somehow make this country into some sort of green-energy economic superpower.

Just like Bush, though, he seems to have a grasp of understanding of his limits and got some decent people on board.

Having said that, 2012 needs to have Mark Sanford in WH :D .


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