Krauthammer: Obama the Leveler

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Another perceptive column from Charles Krauthammer on Obama’s Ultimate Agenda:

There is every political incentive to make these interventions in the banks and autos temporary and circumscribed. For President Obama, autos and banks are sideshows. Enormous sideshows, to be sure, but had the financial meltdown and the looming auto bankruptcies not been handed to him, he would hardly have gone seeking to be the nation’s credit and car czar.

Obama has far different ambitions. His goal is to rewrite the American social compact, to recast the relationship between government and citizen. He wants government to narrow the nation’s income and anxiety gaps. Soak the rich for reasons of revenue and justice. Nationalize health care and federalize education to grant all citizens of all classes the freedom from anxiety about health care and college that the rich enjoy. And fund this vast new social safety net through the cash cow of a disguised carbon tax.

Obama is a leveler. He has come to narrow the divide between rich and poor. For him the ultimate social value is fairness. Imposing it upon the American social order is his mission.

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230 comments
1 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:06:18am

Misery spreads. Wealth, not so much.

2 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:07:54am

IT'S NOT FAAAIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Toddler of the United States of America.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:08:35am

If he wants to start with the gap between rich and poor, he can start with his own rich self.

Then I'll listen.

4 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:08:46am

And this makes Obama not a communist exactly how?

5 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:08:51am

And we must fight it... And continue to fight it...

I think once people realize this, things might get ugly out there...

6 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:08:53am

His ultimate social value is not "fairness", which presupposes justice, but equality; equality of misery and ignorance.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:03am

In capitalism, some are rich and some are poor.
In socialism, everyone is poor, except the government.

8 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:10am

And of course, this is brilliant new thinking that only The One can bring about. Not that it has been tried many times and failed miserably every time.

9 CIA Reject  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:25am

Sorry, but government can't "impose" fairness on life which is a fundamentally unfair enterprise.

What government CAN do is get the hell out of the way to allow anybody who wants to make something of him or herself do just that.

Unfortunately BO has no interest in government doing that because it would diminish his power and power is all he really cares about.

10 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:36am

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

11 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:36am

It's all about reparations... Reparations for those who have been 'wronged' and are impoverished... He basically said as such in Europe today...

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:56am

I already knew that Obama wanted socialism. But it is good to see it in a WP editorial.

13 Buffalo Fats  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:09:57am

Why doesn't he just use the term "Marxist"?

14 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:10:41am

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

Amazon marketing skills.

15 MikeAlv77  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:10:54am

When is he ever going to get the idea of equality of chance, not equality of outcome...

16 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:10am

life is not fair, get over it mr. president and be thankful you were born in a country that is at least more fair than any other on the planet.

17 Buck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:13am

Now they notice!

18 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:18am

Here's the first of 3 Warner Brothers cartoons that display a deeper understanding of economics than 0bama will ever possess:

Youtube Video
19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:23am

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

Because Charles needs ads to pay for this site. and BHO books are big sellers. I don't like it either, but its the price we must pay.

20 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:24am

Where is it written in the Constitution that everyone must have the same wealth?

Equal opportunity? Absolutely. Equal under the law. Definitely.

But Obama's rewriting of the social compact throws out more than 2 centuries of the American experiment in favor of a discredited socialist policy that redistributes wealth under the guise of fairness, but which really makes everyone all the poorer for it.

21 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:11:45am

Here's the second of 3 Warner Brothers cartoons that display a deeper understanding of economics than 0bama will ever possess:

Youtube Video
22 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:00am

Obama and the left are bound and determined to replace our meritocracy with a mediocracy. I hope he fails.

23 victor_yugo  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:08am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Because Charles needs ads to pay for this site. and BHO books are big sellers. I don't like it either, but its the price we must pay.

No worse than a Microsoft ad on a Linux site.

24 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:13am

Here's the third of 3 Warner Brothers cartoons that display a deeper understanding of economics than 0bama will ever possess:

Youtube Video
25 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:15am

re: #5 tfc3rid

And we must fight it... And continue to fight it...

I think once people realize this, things might get ugly out there...

I think there are far too many people who are very attracted to the idea of narrowing income gaps. This is plain ol' class warfare. And the rich will "fight" by removing capital, which will further depress the not-rich, which will further increase class war rhetoric and inevitably lead to huge government involvement in all of our lives.

26 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:21am

re: #2 MandyManners

IT'S NOT FAAAIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Toddler of the United States of America.

Perhaps with an "Equalization of Opportunity" bill, we can make sure that everybody has a fair chance at success.
/

27 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:24am
28 alegrias  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:26am

Yes, leveling the playing field at home and abroad means never worrying about whether your state gifts are classless or clueless.

The point of socialist change is to remove class distinctions that distract and divide us.

While in Europe Obama signalled to everyone we just want to be one more country among the many, not special or in a leadership position. We don't want to lead and how could we now as bankrupt beggars indebted to the world?

Kamradery, comradery is what he wants for us. We are not somebody!

//only four more years.

29 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:27am

I hate communism.

30 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:33am

His philosophy is based on punishment. On the assumption that anyone successful must not deserve his success. Using this logic then, why is there not a comparable analysis of the unsuccessful? Why are their probably poor decisions that led them to lack of success not viewed in the same critical light?
The philosophy is totally one-sided and baswed on a bitter envy.

31 Gang of One  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:42am

Socialism/Communism: the language of mediocrity.

32 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:12:55am

re: #18 gmsc

One of the "Honeymooners" spoofs. Should be good.

33 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:13:18am

The President of the United States wants the American Dream to fail...

34 brookly red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Because Charles needs ads to pay for this site. and BHO books are big sellers. I don't like it either, but its the price we must pay.

OK,
I will click on it...

35 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:13:49am

Heck, even Disney is more on the ball economically than 0bama:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
36 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:13:52am

lol "the essential barack obama"! the audacity!

37 Gang of One  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:14:25am

re: #16 phoenixgirl

life is not fair, get over it mr. president and be thankful you were born in a country that is at least more fair than any other on the planet.

If life was fair, Zero never would have been elected.

38 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:14:29am

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

Content scans of the site for ad serving just catch keywords, not their context.

39 JacksonTn  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:14:38am

Back door reparations ... are coming ...

40 alegrias  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #33 tfc3rid

The President of the United States wants the American Dream to fail...

* * * *
The Dreams of His Father--were Marxist dreams.

41 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:10am

"the inauguration of barack obama" should be "the coronation"

42 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?


How did Jonah Goldberg sneak in there?

43 CIA Reject  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #39 JacksonTn

Back door reparations ... are coming ...

Agreed. But they won't be coming through the back door ...

44 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:30am

From that link:

'If Obama has his way, the change that is coming is a new America: "fair," leveled and social democratic. Obama didn't get elected to warranty your muffler. He's here to warranty your life. '

Well said, that man.
With that 'fairness' comes bureaucracy, red tape, more red tape, political correctness at levels you have as yet no idea of, the destruction of the educational system and especially that of Higher Eduction - everything you have been criticising about the UK (rightly so!) will be happening in the USA as well.

So - you have the chance to put a huge spoke in his wheels, in 2010 - don't miss that chance!

Cleaning up after socialists takes time and effort and money - as Maggie learned only too well!

45 Buck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:45am

re: #33 tfc3rid

The President of the United States wants the American Dream to fail...

Not really... he just wants people other than Americans to experience it.

46 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:47am

his next book will be the "economic colonic of the USA"

47 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:57am

re: #25 Russkilitlover

I think there are far too many people who are very attracted to the idea of narrowing income gaps. This is plain ol' class warfare. And the rich will "fight" by removing capital, which will further depress the not-rich, which will further increase class war rhetoric and inevitably lead to huge government involvement in all of our lives.

Of course there are people who want to narrow the income gap. Those are the ones who are typically not willing to work their asses off, so they want to drag everyone down to their level. We had a great example in Milwaukee recently. Some "social welfare" group used an obscure law to get a binding referendum on the ballot asking whether people wanted employers to provide mandatory paid sick days. It passed of course and is now in the courts.

Long gone are the days when "nothing is free" actually meant something.

48 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:15:59am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Because Charles needs ads to pay for this site. and BHO books are big sellers. I don't like it either, but its the price we must pay.

I understand Charles gets a teeny tiny commission from Amazon for stuff sold through this site, but LGF does not attract the demographic that is likely to purchase 0bama-worship merchandise.

I remember when Amazon used to give a 15% commission for direct referral web sales. Now they give 2-5%.

IMO, Charles should drop the 0bama-book banner and just focus on the big ticket items like the Kindle.

49 Gang of One  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:05am

re: #26 CyanSnowHawk

Perhaps with an "Equalization of Opportunity" bill, we can make sure that everybody has a fair chance at success.
/

Don't we already have this with that Equal Opportunity Employer stuff?

50 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #33 tfc3rid

The President of the United States wants the American Dream to fail...

If you can call 44 POTUS. I think he wants to be POTW. He is more worried about what the rest of the world thinks than worrying about what is best for the US.

51 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:21am

re: #45 Buck

Not really... he just wants people other than Americans to experience it.

And also Americans who are too lazy to work for it.

52 J.S.  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:37am

This leveling (imo) is also present in Obama's latest jaunt to Europe. He clearly does not believe that America is exceptional in anyway...He seems to be far more interested in having America emulating Europe.

53 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:44am

re: #45 Buck

Not really... he just wants people other than Americans to experience it.

you are kidding? that was what President Bush wanted.

54 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:53am

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

One of the "Honeymooners" spoofs. Should be good.

Actually, there's not much Honeymooners spoofing in that one, but the mice are similar to the one they did use in their Honeymousers cartoon.

55 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:57am

Obama has said and promised and campaigned and repeats and repeats again.

He will change America. He said it again this morning- America is changing.

America is was a free capitalist country.

It will change. Believe him. He means what he says.

The thing is, except for us few, no one is bothering to ask if the change to America is good or bad.

When they start asking, it may be too late.

56 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:58am

re: #30 LGoPs

Why are their probably poor decisions that led them to lack of success not viewed in the same critical light?
The philosophy is totally one-sided and baswed on a bitter envy.

Instead, we rewarded poor decisions (unaffordable mortgages, poor corporate performance, etc.) via bailouts.

57 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:16:58am

re: #44 yma o hyd

So - you have the chance to put a huge spoke in his wheels, in 2010 - don't miss that chance!

Cleaning up after socialists takes time and effort and money - as Maggie learned only too well!

Looking forward to THAT more each day.

58 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:17:22am

re: #25 Russkilitlover

I think there are far too many people who are very attracted to the idea of narrowing income gaps. This is plain ol' class warfare. And the rich will "fight" by removing capital, which will further depress the not-rich, which will further increase class war rhetoric and inevitably lead to huge government involvement in all of our lives.

These days, I think a lot of the class warfare starts to deal with psychology. People will watch their television, believing it's happiness to live the lives in Hollywood. So, instead of working hard to have their glamorous lives, they complain of fairness.

59 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:17:53am

re: #39 JacksonTn

Back door reparations ... are coming ...

Well that's good news, I feel like the government has been romancing my back door without reparations for far too long.
/

60 big steve  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:05am

Most people, when they meet me, pretty much peg me as the white, tall, bald male, rich guy. All somewhat true so I am the target of this "leveling". But not one person in the government was with me when I studied hundreds of hours just to be able to integrate heat flow in spherial coordinates.....just one of the things I had to do to get my chemical engineering degree.....which was the ultimate source of my income over my career.

And I can tell you those equations did just come to me because I was a white male......I had to really struggle to comprehend them.

So this "leveling" really fails to capture the American spirit of fair play and working hard to get ahead.

61 kynna  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #3 EmmmieG

If he wants to start with the gap between rich and poor, he can start with his own rich self.

Then I'll listen.

Exactly what I think when I see these limo leftists and hear their pontificating about 'justice'.

62 alegrias  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #52 J.S.

This leveling (imo) is also present in Obama's latest jaunt to Europe. He clearly does not believe that America is exceptional in anyway...He seems to be far more interested in having America emulating Europe.

* * *
It was Obama's "We Are Not Worthy" world apology tour with my apologies to Wayne's World circa 1991.

63 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:34am

I can't say what I truly think. I've been a memberhere for a long, long time and I will not say anything to damage this site or Charles or my standing here...

So what I truly believe in my heart I cannot say...

All I know is, for the first time in my life, I am ashamed of my President.

64 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:57am

re: #49 Gang of One

Don't we already have this with that Equal Opportunity Employer stuff?

The "Equalization of Opportunity" bill is a fictional bill from Atlas Shrugged. Instead of employment opportunity, it basically abolished all patents, and allowed anybody to make any formerly-exclusive material. All exclusive patents had to be signed over to the government via "gift certificates".

65 bill-tb  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:18:59am

Before long, Obammunism will require you to reduce your brain size so it goes in and out of your ear conveniently, as Obama voters' does now.

66 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:19:22am

If he were my child, I'd spank him and put him to bed without dinner every time he whined that life isn't fair. Good grief. This is arrested development.

67 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:19:26am

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

Well that's good news, I feel like the government has been romancing my back door without reparations for far too long.
/

Is that a nice way of saying you have been butt F....ed?

68 Gang of One  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:19:43am

re: #45 Buck

Not really... he just wants people other than Americans to experience pay for those who are too busy sleeping through their opportunities.

FTFY

69 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:20:21am

The root of this thinking emanates from the bad ideas that sprang from the French Revolution. And some of those ideas are perhaps understandable when viewed in the context of aristocracies hoarding all the wealth for no other reason than the accident of birth, while the masses were left to rot. Again, probably understandable.
Where the equation falls down and the justification for this hatred becomes untenable is when viewed against what the corresponding American Revolution represented with it's escape from aristocracy and it's emphasis on individual achievement.
The argument boils down essentially to the difference between Equality of Outcome vs the equality of Opportunity. The former is measured in millions of dead while the latter gives rise to the most successful, most benevolent and tolerant society in the history of mankind. And unfortunately Obama represents the former.
I again ask the 52% out there - "Is this fundamental enough of a change for ya?"
Fucking idiots.

70 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:20:23am

re: #67 Erik The Red

Is that a nice way of saying you have been butt F....ed?

re: #67 Erik The Red

Is that a nice way of saying you have been butt F....ed?

with out lubricant

71 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:20:44am

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

Well that's good news, I feel like the government has been romancing my back door without reparations for far too long.
/

I was thinking along those lines too but didn't know how to phrase it. Perfect just perfect.

72 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:20:48am
73 slterry40  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

In capitalism, some are rich and some are poor.
In socialism, everyone is poor, except the government.

And sadly, Obama would prefer that everyone be poor, since that is inhernetly more fair.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:04am

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:07am

re: #24 gmsc

Here's the third of 3 Warner Brothers cartoons that display a deeper understanding of economics than 0bama will ever possess:

Great finds, gmsc. They don;t make cartoons like this anymore. And if anyone tried, they'd be vilified as "heartless".

76 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:12am

re: #60 big steve

Me too, except I am a short female Chem E (with lots of curly hair) ;)

77 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:14am

More excellent clouds. Towercam.

78 Bagua  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:24am

re: #34 brookly red

OK,
I will click on it...

I like to use the right click mouse button to open a bunch of ads in tabs on a site like this that I strongly support, on the theory that this generates revenue for the site.

Am I correct that it works this way? If so, its a fairly easy way to give support.

79 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #76 VioletTiger

Me too, except I am a short female Chem E (with lots of curly hair) ;)

Chem E, as in Chemical Engineer? I'm an Environmental Engineer.

80 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:49am

re: #63 tfc3rid

really? You weren't ashamed of BJ Clinton?

81 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:21:58am

What is going on with this hostage situation in NY at an immigration center? I hear 5 shot and he has hostages.

82 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:10am

re: #60 big steve

But not one person in the government was with me when I studied hundreds of hours just to be able to integrate heat flow in spherial coordinates.....just one of the things I had to do to get my chemical engineering degree.....which was the ultimate source of my income over my career.

One of my pet peeves too.

"Working people" are everyone's focus and they are usually people who work 9-5 and then get a beer.

If you worked hard at school, if you stayed up nights and weekends, and holidays to study- when "working people" were doing anything but working, when your day is much longer then 9-5 and the issues that concern you concern you full time- you're not one of the "working people".

You are the greedy bastard who should be taxed more.

83 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:18am

re: #35 gmsc

Heck, even Disney is more on the ball economically than 0bama:

[Video]

And Monty Python.
Dennis Moore found out "this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought",
and the Money Programme said:
You can keep your Marxist ways
For it's only just a phase
It's money, money, money
that makes the world go 'round.

84 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:31am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

There's also an Ann Coulter ad at the top. I think it picks up political blogs too from the keywords. You should get a "Meet conservative singles!" ad too. :D

85 Gang of One  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:32am

re: #64 gmsc

Oh. I did not know that ... thanks.

86 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:38am

I think CK has lost his bearings recently.

Let's say that 97% of what CK says about Obama is true, or maybe something worse is true. Fine.

But mainstream (?) advisors like Paul Krugman are telling Obama to spend, spend, spend, due to the financial system meltdown, which has domino'd to a failure of the US auto industry (which was very ripe for failure anyway). And, some of these issues are mainstream democratic themes, have been for seventy years or more. And some, like health care, are themes where only pathological politics has kept the government from taking on the issue for ten years or more. And others, like executive compensation, may be (I say ARE!) true problems in their own right.

The ONLY issue I see, is how the government fixes the financial crisis. IF the decision is made, that it should be fixed by trillions in outlays, then, wtf, Obama gets the free play, "not wasting the crisis". It would take an awfully strong discipline, given control of both houses of congress, for him NOT to take on all these issues. Both houses of congress, folks. More idiotic politicians, and political leaders, in the democratic party than perhaps any other time in history, but there they are.

I fear the scale of these expenditures, when ANY government program is going to waste, what, ten percent, fifty percent, ninety percent, just as a matter of bureaucratic fact. But I fear that CK is putting too much blame on Obama on a personal basis, when too much of it is from the wider context. Sure, Obama is playing his part, and since he put on the big boy pants, he gets to represent, but I've always liked CK and thought he could maintain the big picture, better than this. I guess Obama just pisses him off, and I get that, but even so.

87 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:41am

re: #67 Erik The Red

Is that a nice way of saying you have been butt F....ed?

Pretty much.

88 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:54am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.


So if we say all kinds of mean and nasty stuff about 44 we will get some better banners?

89 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:22:54am

re: #80 Texas Heathen

really? You weren't ashamed of BJ Clinton?

BJ Bill at least did not want to try and overturn 233 years of American tradition...

90 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:05am

re: #28 alegrias

//only four more years.

I can't wait.

91 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:10am

he is so arrogant he thinks he can make socialism work.
obviously he has never studied history.
or he doesn't care abt. the misery and pain that ALWAYS results
from "spreading the wealth around."
even socialist european countries are telling him to back off.
o is an ignorant dangerous fool

92 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #70 phoenixgirl

with out lubricant

Without a reach-around even.

93 alegrias  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #57 VioletTiger

So - you have the chance to put a huge spoke in his wheels, in 2010 - don't miss that chance!

Cleaning up after socialists takes time and effort and money - as Maggie learned only too well!

Looking forward to THAT more each day.

* * * *
People had the chance this week to do a REFERENDUM ON OBAMA in upstate New York's 20th congressional district, where Republicans supposedly had a 75,000 advantage but they didn't turn out as people could have done, for Mr. Tedisco.

Naturally democrats from Obama on down are running victory laps when people could have taken the smile off their faces just by VOTING!

94 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:39am

re: #69 LGoPs


Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

95 zombie  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:41am
He wants government to narrow the nation’s income and anxiety gaps. Soak the rich for reasons of revenue and justice. Nationalize health care and federalize education to grant all citizens of all classes the freedom from anxiety about health care and college that the rich enjoy. And fund this vast new social safety net through the cash cow of a disguised carbon tax.

Obama is a leveler. He has come to narrow the divide between rich and poor. For him the ultimate social value is fairness. Imposing it upon the American social order is his mission.

Wait, there was another famous leader who had this exact same agenda. His name escapes me at the moment, hmmmmm, let me think...

...Oh, that's right. His name was Vladimir Lenin.

Always remember that communism came with flowery verbiage about social justice. The exact same verbiage you hear nowadays on college campuses and in the halls of the White House.

We tried to warn you, American, that Obama was a socialist, but you just didn't understand. Well, our warnings are coming true. And soon we're all going to learn the hard way.

96 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:52am

re: #81 Afrocity

Some reports are saying up to 13 shot. This is terrible.

97 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

Without a reach-around even.

also without lubricant

98 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:17am

re: #83 Kosh's Shadow

And Monty Python.
Dennis Moore found out "this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought",
and the Money Programme said:
You can keep your Marxist ways
For it's only just a phase
It's money, money, money
that makes the world go 'round.

Oh, yeah! I forgot about Dennis Moore:

Part 1

Youtube Video

Part 2

Youtube Video

Part 3

Youtube Video
99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:21am

re: #54 gmsc

Actually, there's not much Honeymooners spoofing in that one, but the mice are similar to the one they did use in their Honeymousers cartoon.

True. I posted before I actually view the cartoon. Its noteworthy that Sylvester was used in all three, acting in his role as Warner Brothers' clown. (Not kidding, animator Arthur Davis drew him specifically as a clown figure.)

100 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

Lazy, entitlement generation bastards...

101 brookly red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #78 Bagua

why right click ?

102 Bagua  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:43am

re: #95 zombie

Is anyone even mildly surprised?

103 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:54am

re: #74 Charles

And if you want to understand your enemy(so you can defeat them). Read what they write.

104 big steve  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:24:55am

re: #3 EmmmieG

If he wants to start with the gap between rich and poor, he can start with his own rich self.

Then I'll listen.

No kidding. For example in 2007 the Obama's put between $100 to $250k apiece into their daughters Education IRA's. Lets level that out....

Obama's 2007 Federal Financial Disclosure

105 Catttt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:25:18am

President O already raised taxes this week, for you non-smokers who may not know. Cig tax hits all levels of society, and it is sneaky - maybe he figures people won't see his hand in our pocket. So he broke that no-tax raise for under a certain income level promise.

106 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:25:26am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

seems she was right except for the Obama part. It is you and me that will be paying for her mortgage and car.

107 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:25:32am

Just like to pass along a thought and maybe get some input from you guys.

The Constitution and amendments provide for universal suffrage.
Almost 50 percent of Americans pay no income tax, and are therefore susceptible to politics that promises them something they don't have to pay for...by taking money from those who have it.

If and when the percentage rises above 50, there will be little or no way to prevent government from taking as much as it wants.

I'd like to propose something along the lines of:

1. Every citizen has a vote.
2. However, every citizen who pays income tax above a certain amount gets one additional vote.

When you go to the polls, you bring a certified copy of the last year's filing, and the poll workers hand you one extra ballot. (Yeah, I know there's the possibility of fraud, but gosh, we've already got that now.)

Economics professors like Thomas Sowell make the point that people move in and out of income categories regularly, so it isn't as though one group would always control the election, and even if that were an issue, we'd always have people like Barbra Streisand (rich) who voted for Obama anyway.

I'd hope that an amendment along these lines would help protect the productive in this society from the non-productive - and would act as a brake on runaway government spending.

Any ideas?

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:25:55am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

So...if we all mentioned "Where the Wild Things Are," in our posts, it will show up?

/If we mention them, they will come...

109 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:26:06am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

Don't forget the "We Not Rich" woman and the bus driver with the $800,000 house!

110 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

I had to remove Amazon banners from my website and replace them with customized products specifically selected by me, because Amazon told me there was no way to block anti-Semitic revisionist crap from showing up in the banners.

111 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:26:49am

The Country's In The Very Best of Hands!

Youtube Video
112 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

A fundamentally stupid woman btu unfortunately representing many who fell the same way. And I did mean to say feel becuase thinking doesn't enter into her equation. if it did, she woudl more accurately say "Russkilitlover.....or LGoPs is going to pay my mortgage or my car".
At least that would be accurate.
And as far as I'm concerned she and her ilk can come and fucking get it herself. And most likely I will have something to fucking say about that.

113 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:27:35am

re: #105 Catttt

President O already raised taxes this week, for you non-smokers who may not know. Cig tax hits all levels of society, and it is sneaky - maybe he figures people won't see his hand in our pocket. So he broke that no-tax raise for under a certain income level promise.

Maybe he believes that taxes only mean what comes out of your pay check. Most people don't know how many hidden taxes there are.

114 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:27:36am

KrautHammer just nailed it. Excellent Op. I don't know why, but it seems he's been just nailing them out of the park repeatedly the last several months.

115 Bagua  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:27:48am

re: #101 brookly red

Because with the right click, I can then choose "open in a new tab" in FF3, that way I can open a bunch of tabs without actually having to go to the site.

116 mike(in)savage  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:04am

Somewhat OT, but...

Hah!

/not pimpin' my own stuff, I swear

117 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:15am

When hopes and dreams are loose in the streets, it is well for the timid to lock doors, shutter windows and lie low until the wrath has passed. For there is often a monstrous incongruity between the hopes, however noble and tender, and the action which follows them. It is as if ivied maidens and garlanded youths were to herald the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

-Eric Hoffer

118 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #83 Kosh's Shadow

And Monty Python.
Dennis Moore found out "this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought",
and the Money Programme said:
You can keep your Marxist ways
For it's only just a phase
It's money, money, money
that makes the world go 'round.

And even the Beatles (though maybe this was written before they became so wealthy it didn't matter anymore...)

Taxman
Let me tell you how it will be,
There's one for you, nineteen for me,
'Cos I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all,
'Cos I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat,
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Taxman.
'Cos I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Don't ask me what I want it for
(Taxman Mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more
(Taxman Mister Heath),
'Cos I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
Now my advice for those who die,
Declare the pennies on your eyes,
'Cos I'm the Taxman,
Yeah, I'm the Taxman.
And you're working for no-one but me,
Taxman.

119 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #105 Catttt

President O already raised taxes this week, for you non-smokers who may not know. Cig tax hits all levels of society, and it is sneaky - maybe he figures people won't see his hand in our pocket. So he broke that no-tax raise for under a certain income level promise.

Cig tax rises is a typical stealth tax - he learned that from our Gord!
The nice thing about taxes like that is that they can tell you they didn't raise the income tax - and you don't ahve to smoke, its all for the good of your health!
Next, they'll think about taxes on fat and sugar - yep, its been debated here in the UK, by the Nanny Staters - to howls of derision, so they dropped it ...

Stealth taxes are the ones to watch out for.

120 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:53am

re: #107 subsailor68

The screams about giving the rich extra voting privileges would be deafening.

121 alegrias  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:55am

re: #66 MandyManners

If he were my child, I'd spank him and put him to bed without dinner every time he whined that life isn't fair. Good grief. This is arrested development.

* * * *
"Arrested Development" syndrome is what put him over the finish line Nov. 4th. We need to help our fellow Americans appreciate WHY our country was special, first among nations, and not DUMBED DOWN, leveled to the lowest common denominator of socialist backwaters.

American voters willingly threw away our top dog status, to be the doormat.

122 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:28:55am

re: #107 subsailor68

Not even remotely Constitutional. We're citizens by virtue of birth or naturalization.

123 badger1970  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #105 Catttt

It wasn't as sneaking as he though. The 6 in the dollar spot at most places (TX) for name brand cigs, kind of gave it away. It's a regressive tax as studies have shown that a disproportionate of economic lower class people are smokers.

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:13am

This article by Krauthammer so well (at least for me) explains how someone who wants to destroy America can do with a clear conscience and view said destruction as a good thing.

125 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:19am

re: #104 big steve

No kidding. For example in 2007 the Obama's put between $100 to $250k apiece into their daughters Education IRA's. Lets level that out....

Obama's 2007 Federal Financial Disclosure

That's a lot of scratch. Did the Obamas put the money in there or is it more graft from Rezko types?

126 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #116 mike(in)savage

Somewhat OT, but...

Hah!

/not pimpin' my own stuff, I swear

ROTFLMFAO

127 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:33am

Inside O's bank CEOs meeting, from the Politico...

But President Barack Obama wasn’t in a mood to hear them out. He stopped the conversation, and offered a blunt reminder of the public’s reaction to such explanations. “Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.”

“My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”
...
At each place around the table sat a single glass of water. No ice. For those who finished their glass, no refills were offered. There was no group photograph taken of the CEOs with the president, which typically happens at ceremonial White House gatherings, but not at serious strategy sessions.

“The only way they could have sent a more Spartan message is if they had served bread along with the water,” says a person who attended the meeting. “The signal from Obama’s body language and demeanor was, ‘I’m the president, and you’re not.’”
...
JPMorgan’s Dimon spoke first. He began by complimenting the president on the economic team he’d assembled. And he said his industry needs to explain more directly to the American people that the economic recovery plans are already working. Dimon also insisted that he’d like to give the government’s TARP money back as soon as practical, and asked the president to “streamline” that process.

But Obama didn’t like that idea – arguing that the system still needs government capital.

Obama is the King of Thailand, and it is his perogative to dispence white elephants to his subjects. In return, he cannot allow his subjects to buy back their freedom, and he expects flattery for himself and for his court.

128 Catttt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:39am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

Think of the 52% that came out in droves for Obama. Remember that woman: "Obama gonna pay my mortgage. Obama gonna pay for my car."

If she smokes, is "Obama gonna pay for" her cigs? And does she even realize the increase in cost is because of his tax, or is she still too busy worshiping his ass? Does she know the increase was MUCH bigger than any fed increase of the past? She probably has no clue.

129 S'latch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:39am

If he succeeds, it will fail.

130 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:46am

We are all proletarians now.

131 MikeAlv77  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #95 zombie


We tried to warn you, American, that Obama was a socialist, but you just didn't understand. Well, our warnings are coming true. And soon we're all going to learn the hard way.

Why does it seem that America, throughout its history always learns the hard way. Som many times we could have stopped things the easy and cheap way but no... we have to get hit by a 2X4 and then go.. Oh wow, guess we should take care of this problem...

132 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:30:14am

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

Livin' off the Jehosophat of the land.

Don't say that word! It turns we elves into mice!
;)

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Great finds, gmsc. They don;t make cartoons like this anymore. And if anyone tried, they'd be vilified as "heartless".

Thanks.

The three WB cartoons I posted were all underwritten by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation in the mid-50s, as part of the push to rebuild confidence (and improve education about it) in the stock market after the depression and WWII.

133 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:30:21am

re: #121 alegrias

* * * *
"Arrested Development" syndrome is what put him over the finish line Nov. 4th. We need to help our fellow Americans appreciate WHY our country was special, first among nations, and not DUMBED DOWN, leveled to the lowest common denominator of socialist backwaters.

American voters willingly threw away our top dog status, to be the doormat.

I don't think that the vast majority of those voters understood that. They just wanted free shit.

134 Catttt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #113 Erik The Red

Maybe he believes that taxes only mean what comes out of your pay check. Most people don't know how many hidden taxes there are.

Yeah, you're right about hidden taxes. However, that's not what he SAID. He in no way qualified his statements about taxes, so he broke a promise.

135 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:31:24am

re: #107 subsailor68

Just like to pass along a thought and maybe get some input from you guys.

The Constitution and amendments provide for universal suffrage.
Almost 50 percent of Americans pay no income tax, and are therefore susceptible to politics that promises them something they don't have to pay for...by taking money from those who have it.

If and when the percentage rises above 50, there will be little or no way to prevent government from taking as much as it wants.

I'd like to propose something along the lines of:

1. Every citizen has a vote.
2. However, every citizen who pays income tax above a certain amount gets one additional vote.

When you go to the polls, you bring a certified copy of the last year's filing, and the poll workers hand you one extra ballot. (Yeah, I know there's the possibility of fraud, but gosh, we've already got that now.)

Economics professors like Thomas Sowell make the point that people move in and out of income categories regularly, so it isn't as though one group would always control the election, and even if that were an issue, we'd always have people like Barbra Streisand (rich) who voted for Obama anyway.

I'd hope that an amendment along these lines would help protect the productive in this society from the non-productive - and would act as a brake on runaway government spending.

Any ideas?

Its certainly more equitable than saying those who don't pay taxes don't get to vote - something I was seriously thinking about.
The other nice side-effect would be that all those who work illegaly and don't pay income tax would only get the one vote ...

I like it!

136 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #133 MandyManners

I don't think that the vast majority of those voters understood that. They just wanted free shit.

They still do...

That said, I am out... Have a nice weekend everyone...

137 Clemente  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:31:59am

Had to read down a few paragraphs of BHO doublespeak - now my head hurts - but sure enough, from the first link in CK's link:

...let me say it as plainly as I can: If you buy a car from Chrysler or General Motors, you will be able to get your car serviced and repaired, just like always. Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been, because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warranty.

For your frikken' American car? We cannot afford this! No, we can't!

138 Catttt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:31:59am

Being the canary in the coal mine is not an easy job.

139 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:12am

re: #122 MandyManners

Not even remotely Constitutional. We're citizens by virtue of birth or naturalization.

Yeah, you're right of course. I'm sure it would probably never pass Constitutional muster. Ironically, however, I could also make the case that the citizenship of the productive members of society could become meaningless if the non-productive reach such numbers as to be able to vote to take as much money as they choose from the productive folks.

Not sure what the answer is, so just floated one idea to help me think things through.

Thanks!

140 phoenixgirl  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #66 MandyManners

If he were my child, I'd spank him and put him to bed without dinner every time he whined that life isn't fair. Good grief. This is arrested development.

well, i would be spanking out of anger and that would be wrong so i wouldn't be able to spank him

141 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:35am

re: #83 Kosh's Shadow

And Monty Python.
Dennis Moore found out "this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought",
and the Money Programme said:
You can keep your Marxist ways
For it's only just a phase
It's money, money, money
that makes the world go 'round.

"Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore, riding thru the land,
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore, without his merry band,
He steals from the poor, and gives to the rich,
Stupid bitch..."

142 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:40am

re: #134 Catttt

Yeah, you're right about hidden taxes. However, that's not what he SAID. He in no way qualified his statements about taxes, so he broke a promise.

He is a lying commie democrat. He changes the goal post when ever he feels like it.

143 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:32:54am

re: #116 mike(in)savage

Somewhat OT, but...

Hah!

/not pimpin' my own stuff, I swear

Now that was funny!

144 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #85 Gang of One

Oh. I did not know that ... thanks.

You're welcome.

145 brookly red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:15am

re: #115 Bagua

Thanks, that works for me

146 kynna  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #1 VioletTiger

Misery spreads. Wealth, not so much.

Wealth only spreads with capitalism. It's the catalyst for the contagion.

147 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:38am

re: #139 subsailor68

The non-productive folks found enough people to elect that allowed them to vote to give themselves money from the treasury.

148 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:47am

re: #89 tfc3rid

BJ Bill at least did not want to try and overturn 233 years of American tradition...

I think if he had the dem control of congress he would've pushed hard left as well.

149 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:54am

re: #120 CyanSnowHawk

The screams about giving the rich extra voting privileges would be deafening.

So they would - and those screams would show that suddenly anybody who actually works for their income is 'rich' - thus exposing the fraudulent attitude of the screamers.

150 Van Impe  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:33:58am

Krauthammer (once again) is absolutely correct. However, this should not be news. President Obama made his intentions clear during the campaign. He's simply following through with what he campaigned on.

Too bad so many voters chose not to listen to what he was actually saying last year.

151 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:00am

re: #86 itellu3times

Excellent comment. I hesitated to even read the article because I'm just burned out on all the bullshit spreading in right wing circles these days about Obama's secret agenda. The article approaches some questionable topics at times but it's more or less ok.

Really we already know what Obama's agenda is all about, it's not really a secret. He wants a more Euro-style America. Most of the Dems have the same plan. As far as his handling of the economy I'm willing to cut him a lot of slack to do what needs to be done. I'm still hoping that he won't screw it up too bad by pushing his agenda on taxes and social programs.

152 Catttt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:19am

re: #142 Erik The Red

He is a lying commie democrat. He changes the goal post when ever he feels like it.

I watched the movie Air Force One last night and really enjoyed the President taking on the damn terrorist commies practically single handed. Wish the President in that flick were our President in real life. Sigh.

153 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:28am

About the things Obama is changing: In today's news.

Obama backs Saudi peace initiative

Obama is working to change the ongoing existence of Israel.

He did more then bow to the Saudi tyrant, he also kissed his ass.

154 kynna  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:30am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

One time it was promoting romance novels. Now I wish I could remember what the thread was about. :D

155 IgofAntioch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:32am

I think we are moving to the Communist system of "Party members in good standing get the good jobs, apartments, cars, etc" If you are not a member in good standing in the Democratic Party, you are out of luck.
("I'm keeping count"-BHO to a Democratic Senator)

156 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #107 subsailor68

A danger of that idea is that he who writes the tax code may determine who gets an extra vote.

157 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:35:00am

re: #147 ConservatismNow!

The non-productive folks found enough people to elect that allowed them to vote to give themselves money from the treasury.

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
- Benjamin Franklin

We are there.

158 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:35:00am

re: #147 ConservatismNow!

The non-productive folks found enough people to elect that allowed them to vote to give themselves money from the treasury.

That's so true! And if those numbers continue to grow, it can only get worse. Just wish I knew what we could do about it - legally and Constitutionally.

Sigh.

159 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:35:03am

re: #121 alegrias

* * * *
"Arrested Development" syndrome is what put him over the finish line Nov. 4th. We need to help our fellow Americans appreciate WHY our country was special, first among nations, and not DUMBED DOWN, leveled to the lowest common denominator of socialist backwaters.

American voters willingly threw away our top dog status, to be the doormat.

The voters willingly threw away YOUR top dog status. They saw America as run by a Bush / McCain / military-industrial clique, and overthrew it. They did this in the name of a transnational ethic.

The voters had a referendum on whether they wanted to be citizens of "America", and went the other way. We are now citizens of the world.

160 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #155 IgofAntioch

I think we are moving to the Communist system of "Party members in good standing get the good jobs, apartments, cars, etc" If you are not a member in good standing in the Democratic Party, you are out of luck.
("I'm keeping count"-BHO to a Democratic Senator)

It's the new political aristocracy.

161 LindaMarie  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #60 big steve

And here, finished degree (at night) in Management Information Systems while divorced and working full time.
Passed first (of now many) Microsoft certifications by hard work and study.

162 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #159 Zimriel

We are now citizens of the world.

I'd like to emmigrate.

163 zombie  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #137 Clemente

Had to read down a few paragraphs of BHO doublespeak - now my head hurts - but sure enough, from the first link in CK's link:

...let me say it as plainly as I can: If you buy a car from Chrysler or General Motors, you will be able to get your car serviced and repaired, just like always. Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been, because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warranty.

For your frikken' American car? We cannot afford this! No, we can't!

It's completely insane. The American government is now in the business of car insurance and automobile warantees.

Soon there will be banks of operators lined up in the White House hallways answering phones and saying, "Well, if you made a right turn on a red light and the pedestrian was in the crosswalk, theoretically you should have yielded the right-of-way; so the coverage will only apply to the personal injury claims, but not the damage to the fender..."

Well, actually, those operators will be in Bangalore, but you get the idea.

164 TimC  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:36:53am

Nationwide Tea Parties are planned for 4/15...try to go to the one near you.

165 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:36:58am

re: #154 kynna

One time it was promoting romance novels. Now I wish I could remember what the thread was about. :D

Look at any LNDT when we are talking about BOOBIES.

166 BignJames  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:37:16am

re: #153 Opinionated

About the things Obama is changing: In today's news.

Obama backs Saudi peace initiative

Obama is working to change the ongoing existence of Israel.

He did more then bow to the Saudi tyrant, he also kissed his ass.


That's why his lips sometimes appear to be purple......they're bruised....if you kissed that much ass your lips would be bruised too.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #122 MandyManners

Not even remotely Constitutional. We're citizens by virtue of birth or naturalization.

hat same Constitution is the "problem" preventing the Socialist Utopia Obama and Congress are proposing. Yet they won't come right out and propose its abolition because they are canny enough to know even many of their most rabid Leftoid/Socialist supporters would be appalled as the idea. So they do it in fits and starts, bits and pieces, so as to make the foul tasting poison more palatable and easier to swallow.

168 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:37:28am

re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite

I'd like to emmigrate.

Where do you have in mind?

169 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:37:59am

re: #159 Zimriel

The voters willingly threw away YOUR top dog status. They saw America as run by a Bush / McCain / military-industrial clique, and overthrew it. They did this in the name of a transnational ethic.

The voters had a referendum on whether they wanted to be citizens of "America", and went the other way. We are now citizens of the world.

No, we're not. There are no citizens of the world. We're just screwed.

170 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:38:29am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Excellent comment. I hesitated to even read the article because I'm just burned out on all the bullshit spreading in right wing circles these days about Obama's secret agenda. The article approaches some questionable topics at times but it's more or less ok.

Really we already know what Obama's agenda is all about, it's not really a secret. He wants a more Euro-style America. Most of the Dems have the same plan. As far as his handling of the economy I'm willing to cut him a lot of slack to do what needs to be done. I'm still hoping that he won't screw it up too bad by pushing his agenda on taxes and social programs.

He will just be patient.

171 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:38:46am

re: #168 ilzito guacamolito

Where do you have in mind?

That's the problem...which ultimately means we stay and fight and if we have to re-establish American Ideals elsewhere.

172 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:38:48am

re: #156 wrenchwench

A danger of that idea is that he who writes the tax code may determine who gets an extra vote.

Yep, that occurred to me as well. If an amendment was passed that included a specific approach - I don't know, perhaps based on median income or something along those lines - the census bureau could have an impact, but less so the IRS.

Maybe?

(Remember, I'm just floating ideas - and really appreciate your thoughts!)

;-)

173 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #133 MandyManners

I don't think that the vast majority of those voters understood that. They just wanted free shit.

Free shit is exactly it. I was listening to hannity yesterday doing a man on the street interview and this guy tells him he wants free healthcare, education, housing, dental, daycare,transportation...Sean asks where will the money to pay for this come from. Guy answers the govt. Sean asks where does the govt get its money.....Long pause... finally guy admits Tax payers and says maybe it isn't such a good idea for govt to provide everything and maybe he made a mistake voting for obama....
That was good. Usually when confronted they just drop the phone and run. LOL

174 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:39:07am

re: #139 subsailor68

Yeah, you're right of course. I'm sure it would probably never pass Constitutional muster. Ironically, however, I could also make the case that the citizenship of the productive members of society could become meaningless if the non-productive reach such numbers as to be able to vote to take as much money as they choose from the productive folks.

Not sure what the answer is, so just floated one idea to help me think things through.

Thanks!

It may be unconstitutional now - but what sort of society is it which allows the majority of its citizens to live off the hard work of the minority?
That cannot be constitutional, can it?

Your proposal would not deprive anybody of their right to vote - it would only give those who actually put money into the state kitty one more vote.
I still can't see anything wrong with that - its not as if a billionaire gets a million extra votes, they'd only get the one extra vote like any other worker.

Its really worth thinking about this, not just abandoning it out of hand.

175 brookly red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:39:20am

Did anyone hear the O's "pitch-fork" Comment on rush just now?

176 midwestgak  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:39:46am

OT I was standing the line at the grocery store. The woman in line before me bought $133 worth of groceries. Taxes were subtracted. She swiped her food stamp card and the cashier gave her $40. How does that work?

177 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #164 TimC

Nationwide Tea Parties are planned for 4/15...try to go to the one near you.

I'll check my schedule. Though I'll walk away if any Paulistas show up. I don't like dealing with nutcases.

178 Irish Rose  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:40:24am

Well, crap.
I miss a day on LGF and lose out on shit-crazy threads like this one:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'm badly in need of some humor.
I have high hopes for the Friday evening open.

179 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:40:43am

re: #175 brookly red

Did anyone hear the O's "pitch-fork" Comment on rush just now?

Post #127. It's mentioned on Politico

180 Guanxi88  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:41:03am

re: #66 MandyManners

If he were my child, I'd spank him and put him to bed without dinner every time he whined that life isn't fair. Good grief. This is arrested development.

No, that show had better writers, had a plot-line you could more or less follow, and was a comedy of sorts. The Barry O show is more of a tragedy, or possibly it's a heist-drama.

181 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:41:07am

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-Mark Steyn's suggested all-purpose stump speech for 0bama's campaign

182 Guanxi88  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:41:31am

re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite

I'd like to emmigrate.

But there's no place to go, when you get right down to it.

183 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #127 Zimriel

Inside O's bank CEOs meeting, from the Politico...

Obama is the King of Thailand, and it is his perogative to dispence white elephants to his subjects. In return, he cannot allow his subjects to buy back their freedom, and he expects flattery for himself and for his court.

Obama wants companies to take government money, so he'll have an excuse for putting his hooks into them.

184 gmsc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:42:07am

re: #127 Zimriel

Inside O's bank CEOs meeting, from the Politico...

Obama is the King of Thailand, and it is his perogative to dispence white elephants to his subjects. In return, he cannot allow his subjects to buy back their freedom, and he expects flattery for himself and for his court.

Between the 0bama administration and the pitchforks, I'll take the pitchforks.

185 Spider Mensch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:42:12am

re: #164 TimC

Nationwide Tea Parties are planned for 4/15...try to go to the one near you.


Sorry, I have a family to support. I can't afford to take a day off. Someone has to pay for everything president buffoon wants to do...guys like me pay for it. only left lib tards living on the goverment tit can go to protests...or leftists living off family money can go...people like me have to work.

186 RoughRider  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:42:15am

re: #16 phoenixgirl

life is not fair, get over it mr. president and be thankful you were born in a country that is at least more fair than any other on the planet.

Kenya?


/I keeed! I keeed!

187 J.S.  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:42:34am

In the hostage crisis in New York state, 2 have been taken out in handcuffs...hostages freed...

188 brookly red  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:43:29am

re: #179 Zimriel

Post #127. It's mentioned on Politico

Thanks, I read it but it didn't sink in till I heard it spoken... scary stuff.

189 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:44:08am

Everything is easy for someone who doesn't have to do it. Obama will never be pink-slipped, and I doubt he even changes his tires. While the unwashed masses must bask in his wishful Christ-like glow, Obama doesn't have to reap the hardships he puts on others. Once he is out of office and into a lucractive post-president job, the country will be in shambles. Fair? Hardly.

190 Irish Rose  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #176 midwestgak

OT I was standing the line at the grocery store. The woman in line before me bought $133 worth of groceries. Taxes were subtracted. She swiped her food stamp card and the cashier gave her $40. How does that work?

Food benefits and cash assistance are both put on the same card.

191 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #175 brookly red

Did anyone hear the O's "pitch-fork" Comment on rush just now?

Sadly, a lot of Americans would think, "You go, O!"

/the drooling obamaton morons, ayway

192 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:47:15am
Soak the rich for reasons of revenue and justice.

I thought that said "revenge." I think I was actually right the first time.

193 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:48:32am

Yes, European-style socialism is surely what they wish for.

Anathema to any American who values what the spirit of our founding was about, and specifically the intent of our Constitution drafting.

Sharmuta a couple of days prior made an excellent post about what this can do, if it actually obtains a firm grip in this country. It devours society, and kills the natural instinct for any citizen of a free people to incentivize themselves not only to become better, but see they are not a burden to their fellow man, or worse, on the government teat as a way of life.

Europe is coming to realize their policy of feeding the stray cats has only produced felines who expect fancy feast, and lose their initiative to hunt their own meal.

This change is rich, coming from those who have no problem seeking funds 3 people removed from Iraqi/British billionaires in pursuit of real estate fitting their bargain basement qualifications. Dovetails with the article in discussion. Pass the buck, or better yet, pass me your buck.

We will get the government we deserve.

194 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:48:34am

re: #58 Mr. In get Mr. Out

These days, I think a lot of the class warfare starts to deal with psychology. People will watch their television, believing it's happiness to live the lives in Hollywood. So, instead of working hard to have their glamorous lives, they complain of fairness.

They want their Money for Nothing.

Now look at them politicians, that's the way you do it
You make the speeches on the TV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a paper cut on your little finger
Maybe get a paper cut on your thumb

We gotta get our welfare checks
Gotta get our free health care
We gotta get it, what the heck
We smell change in the air

See the little faggot with name of Barney Frank
Yeah buddy he always gets a pass
That little faggot screwed the country's banks
That little faggot he got them up the ass

We gotta get our welfare checks
Gotta get our free health care
We gotta get it, what the heck
We smell change in the air

I shoulda learned to bullshit the masses
I shoulda learned to play them bums
Just get my face, get it stickin in the camera
Man we could have some fun
And hes up there, whats that? Marxist noises?
Beatin' on the bankers like a communist
That aint workin' that's the way you do it
Get your money for nothin' get your chicks for free

We gotta get our welfare checks
Gotta get our free health care
We gotta get it, what the heck
We smell change in the air

Now look at them politicians, that's the way you do it
You make the speeches on the TV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin and chicks for free

195 MikeAlv77  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:51:01am

re: #167 FurryOldGuyJeans

hat same Constitution is the "problem" preventing the Socialist Utopia Obama and Congress are proposing. Yet they won't come right out and propose its abolition because they are canny enough to know even many of their most rabid Leftoid/Socialist supporters would be appalled as the idea. So they do it in fits and starts, bits and pieces, so as to make the foul tasting poison more palatable and easier to swallow.

How do you boil a frog... This is the method they use...

196 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:51:13am

re: #130 Ward Cleaver

We are all proletarians now.

No sir, you are part of the bourgeoisie and are therefore scheduled for liquidation.

197 Texas Heathen  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

ROTFLMAO

198 wolly  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:52:48am

re: #104 big steve

Since these are 529 plans that are aged based, most of the money is invested in equities. Given the market drop since 2007, it has been leveled out by about 30%. He probably is too clueless about the economy to realize how much all this is affecting his own children.

199 JustABill  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:56:52am

re: #107 subsailor68

Good luck getting that ammendment passed...

200 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 10:57:37am

so many people today don't know what really happens under communism.
they are not getting educated in school,
abt. the gulags, the starvation, the 100 million people who died around the world under communism.
people actually believe o's lies of utopia.
they have no idea abt. what the broken promises will lead to.
how socialized health care results in bad or no health care.
how crushing capitalism results in less opportunity for everyone.
how socialism is a dream killer of the human spirit.

201 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #199 JustABill

Good luck getting that ammendment passed...

Yeah, in my head I know it's DOA, but in my heart I sure wish something like it had at least a chance.

:-(

202 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:10:58am

re: #74 Charles

That ad banner is content-based -- the Amazon code scans the page for keywords and uses them to pick products. The Obama books show up because there are a lot of posts that mention him. And I've also see a couple of anti-Obama books show up in it.

Amazon could use some snark-detection-based code.

203 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:11:58am

The old saying really applies here.

In a Republican dream world, 10% of the population makes $150,000 a year, while 90% make $35,000 a year.

In Obama's dream world, 100% of the population makes $20,000 a year.

204 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:22:34am

You know, if he starts with Teresa Heinz Kerry and her scumbag husband, I'm all for it. That 20 billion dollar (or whatever) nest-egg should go a long way in South Central LA. Use it to build new elementary schools and hire lots of teachers. I'd recommend the KIPP program and a student-teacher ratio of 10.

/yeah, right

205 aggieann  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:27:43am

re: #203 Dave the.....

The old saying really applies here.

In a Republican dream world, 10% of the population makes $150,000 a year, while 90% make $35,000 a year.

In Obama's dream world, 100% of the population makes $20,000 a year.

Socialism is a political structure under which everyone is equally miserable.

206 Olderthandirt  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:28:38am

But, please, don't say that President Obama should fail! That would be so wrong, for so many reasons! Pray that he is successful at everything he does. Soon, we'll all be at the same level, helalujah. FDR would be so proud!

207 wetfun  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:53am

Who do you think would scream bloody murder if Obama went after property of value to tax? See that painting hanging over your fireplace, well it has a 2.5 million dollar VanGough and we now want 10% per year as long as you own it.

Or off shore trust funds, like the Ted and family have?

208 HippieforLife  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:27am

Wow! Great comments on this thread. Lots of updings!

It is always so good to read that others out in cyber space have real ideas based in reality rather than just on feelings. Sometimes I feel so alone out here in the blue state of Washington. :)

While the media is going all gaga over his current trip they just let things slide right on through their rosy filter. Like him saying that the world needs to give up nukes. What a bold and brave idea! ///

All his empty speeches do is make the USA look weak and foolish. He may be those things, but not the entire country. Congressional Republicans need to grow a set and stand up for the USA.

209 Unakite  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:48am

Robama Hood. Rob from the rich, give to the government.

210 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:43:22am
Obama is a leveler. He has come to narrow the divide between rich and poor. For him the ultimate social value is fairness. Imposing it upon the American social order is his mission.

I hope that mission fails...
/bitterly clinging to freedom

211 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:34am

re: #139 subsailor68

Yeah, you're right of course. I'm sure it would probably never pass Constitutional muster. Ironically, however, I could also make the case that the citizenship of the productive members of society could become meaningless if the non-productive reach such numbers as to be able to vote to take as much money as they choose from the productive folks.

Not sure what the answer is, so just floated one idea to help me think things through.

Thanks!

There is a quote by somebody, I don't remember who: Democracy can only last until the public realizes that they can vote themselves other people's money.
Apparently the same is true for republics.
I'm willing to re-think universal sufferage. Skin color or gender are bad distinctions to make, but that doesn't mean that there are no good distinctions.

212 subsailor68  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:21am

re: #211 nikis-knight

There is a quote by somebody, I don't remember who: Democracy can only last until the public realizes that they can vote themselves other people's money.
Apparently the same is true for republics.
I'm willing to re-think universal sufferage. Skin color or gender are bad distinctions to make, but that doesn't mean that there are no good distinctions.

I'm on the same page, which is why I thought in terms of taxes paid. It doesn't discriminate by gender or color (remembering that I'm not proposing eliminating someone's vote - just adding one extra based on productivity).

I think the quote is attributed (with some dissension) to Sir Alexander Tytler, an 18th century historian. (IIRC.)

213 erisldysnomia  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:15:55pm

Like centuries of idealists before him,

this will lead directly to hell.

214 kansas  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:17:57pm

re: #213 erisldysnomia

Like centuries of idealists before him,

this will lead directly to hell.

I hope he gets there before we do.

215 gulfloafer  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:20:00pm

/I'm shocked I tell you!

216 mrsnuggles  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:14pm

This is what happens if Obama succeeds. We should ALL want him to fail.

217 Emerald  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:40:00pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

If he wants to start with the gap between rich and poor, he can start with his own rich self.

Then I'll listen.

Thanks. I was getting ready to say the exact damn thing.

218 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:46pm

re: #10 Alouette

Why is there an Amazon banner on the right sidebar featuring nothing but 0bama-worship prayerbooks?

OMC Obama mind control

219 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:51:10pm

re: #163 zombie

There is a new GM commercial advocating "We will change the way you think"

220 Spar Kling  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:03:07pm

re: #18 gmsc

Wow, this is really good. Thanks for posting it! (It's also more information than most of our kids ever get in school).

-sk

221 MAV  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:45:13pm

O - One
B - big
A - ass
M - mistake
A - America

Spits

222 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:46:25pm

Socialists naively believe that inequalities of wealth, property, circumstance, etc among people is at the heart of all human conflict and misery. Just eliminate as many differences as humanly possible and everything will be groovy. Why not?

For one thing, incentives for trade and specialization of labor would tend toward zero. Incentives for people to engage in trade of goods, labor and services for money or whatever depend on the inconsistencies --the differences --in their subjective valuations of things.

Let's consider a simple example.

Suppose you and I have (or can get) some apples or oranges. If I consider 10 apples to be as desirable as, say, 7 oranges, and you happen to value them in the same ratio, neither of us would be enriched by trading any number of apples for any number of oranges, with each other.

Suppose I find someone else whose subjective evaluation was different from my own --a different ratio. Suppose he considers 10 apples to be worth 5 oranges. What then? We can trade at any intermediate ratio, say 10 apples for 6 oranges, enriching us both. I could buy 10 apples at a cost of only 6 oranges. My subjective wealth would be greater, by a cost saving of one orange. My trading partner would be able to sell 10 apples, getting 6 oranges in return, instead of 5, for a profit of one orange.

If I were to find someone else who considered 10 apples to be worth 3 oranges, we could trade at, say, 10 apples for 5 oranges. I could realize twice as much savings, and my trading partner twice as much profit, as in the other example. [Altho trading at 10 apples for 4 oranges (or 6) could still leave each of us some incentive, such issues of fairness belong in the realm of negotiation.]

These examples ignore taxes and other costs of doing business. These cut into cost savings and profits, which might be marginal to begin with.

Bottom line: Making everyone alike tends to collapse economies. As can taxes.

223 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:53:37pm

...and in so doing, Obama will destroy what he seeks to level.

224 Ruebacca  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:04:59pm

Jan 600k jobs lost.
Feb 600K jobs lost.
March 700K jobs lost.

How much longer can his popularity hold? Who is going to start hiring? ACORN?

225 Ruebacca  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:06:08pm

re: #213 erisldysnomia

Like centuries of idealists before him,

this will lead directly to hell.

utopia is too expensive.

226 Shay4l  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:49:49pm

The whole world will eventually regret Zero attaining the US presidency.

227 Shay4l  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:57:17pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Excellent comment. I hesitated to even read the article because I'm just burned out on all the bullshit spreading in right wing circles these days about Obama's secret agenda. The article approaches some questionable topics at times but it's more or less ok.

Really we already know what Obama's agenda is all about, it's not really a secret. He wants a more Euro-style America. Most of the Dems have the same plan. As far as his handling of the economy I'm willing to cut him a lot of slack to do what needs to be done. I'm still hoping that he won't screw it up too bad by pushing his agenda on taxes and social programs.

European Socialism has only been possible by selling to American markets. If America becomes a loser socialist country like them, their "wonderful" model disintegrates.

228 leereyno  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 6:33:24pm

The ideologies of the left appeal to a particular kind of person. The type of person who actively FEARS opportunity and craves a world in which they will never be held accountable by the universe for their own failings and shortcomings.

In other words, LOSERS.

There is nothing "fair" about using the power of government to punish those who succeed and reward those who fail. Equality of outcome is not equality, and the results of efforts to achieve this faux equality are universally negative for all but those few defective and weak souls who would otherwise be living on the street and begging for loose change.

The problem with this country is that we are the victims of our own success. Without hardship children never learn the value of endurance and perseverance. They grow up thinking that life is supposed to be easy for them and that anything less is a violation of their basic human rights. With each generation it gets a little worse.

Robert A Heinlein said: Don't cripple your children by making their lives easy for them. If parents and our society as a whole paid more heed to those words, we wouldn't have so many leftists running around trying to wreck everything.

This is why the leftists are so keen on destroying the 2nd Amendment. They fear a free people with the power to resist tyranny because tyranny is exactly what they seek to impose... "for our own good" naturally.

229 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 3, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #163 zombie

It's completely insane. The American government is now in the business of car insurance and automobile warantees.

Soon there will be banks of operators lined up in the White House hallways answering phones and saying, "Well, if you made a right turn on a red light and the pedestrian was in the crosswalk, theoretically you should have yielded the right-of-way; so the coverage will only apply to the personal injury claims, but not the damage to the fender..."

Well, actually, those operators will be in Bangalore, but you get the idea.

folks are already starting to call 911 if they don't get what they want at the McDonalds drive-thru.

230 ragnwald  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:30:10am

I guess Obama sees how well that works in many other countries: lower crime rates, higher educational standards, higher quality of living, longer healthy life expectancy, higher overall standard of living, lower poverty and illiteracy rates, lower military spending, lower rates of depression and anxiety, etc. pp. Decades of research have shown these measures to be correlated with lower income gaps. What's wrong with trying to improve these measures? To me it seems people who oppose such policies don't want to live longer, healthier, more educated lives, less afraid of crime and violence and with a safe pension to boot? I've lived in several different countries, including the US and can compare the different systems.


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