Pittsburgh Cop-Killer Was Conspiracy Nut and Member of Stormfront

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Yesterday we noted reports that Richard Poplawski, charged with murdering three police officers in Pittsburgh, was obsessed with the idea that Barack Obama wanted to take away his guns. Today more of Poplawski’s story is coming out, and it’s much worse than it first appeared.

Poplawski was a follower of conspiracy freak Alex Jones (recently promoted by Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News as “the great Alex Jones”), a member of the revolting neo-Nazi website Stormfront, and an antisemite who believed that Jews secretly control America.

Richard Andrew Poplawski was a young man convinced the nation was secretly controlled by a cabal that would eradicate freedom of speech, take away his guns and use the military to enslave the citizenry.

His online profile suggests someone at once lonely and seething. He wrote of burning the backs of both of his hands, the first time with a cigarette, the second time for symmetry. He subscribed to conspiracy theories and, by January 2007, was posting photographs of his tattoos on white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Among his ambitions: “to accumulate enough ‘I punched that [expletive] so hard’ stories to match my old man.”

“Crazy to me is going through the motions,” he wrote on his MySpace profile three years ago. “Crazy to me is letting each day slip past you. Crazy is being insignificant. Crazy is being obscure, pointless.”

No longer obscure, the 22-year-old is charged in the worst police shooting in the modern history of Pittsburgh. No one is calling his actions anything but pointless.

“He was really into politics and really into the First and Second amendment. One thing he feared was he feared the gun ban because he thought that was going to take away peoples’ right to defend themselves. He never spoke of going out to murder or to kill,” said Edward Perkovic, who described himself as Mr. Poplawski’s lifelong best friend.

Mr. Poplawski’s view of guns and personal freedom took a turn toward the fringes of American politics. With Mr. Perkovic, he appeared to share a belief that the government was controlled from unseen forces, that troops were being shipped home from the Mideast to police the citizenry here, and that Jews secretly ran the country.

Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s.

Around the same time, he joined Florida-based Stormfront, which has long been a clearinghouse Web site for far-right groups. He posted photographs of his tattoo, an eagle spread across his chest.

“I was considering gettin’ life runes on the outside of my calfs,” he wrote. Life runes are a common symbol among white supremacists, notably followers of The National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group linked to an array of violent organizations.

(Hat tip: Thanos.)

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543 comments

1 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:33:16am

I expected as much.

2 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:34:09am

I sure hope talking heads that are now busy promoting these kooks like Alex Jones are pleased with themselves.

3 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:34:31am

He killed cops with his guns because he was afraid the gubmint was gonna take away his guns so he couldn't defend himself from criminals?

Now that's logical.

4 Occasional Reader  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:34:40am
Today more of Poplawski’s story is coming out, and it’s much worse than it first appeared.

I don't know if I'd call it "much worse"... it would have been worse/scarier if it turned out he was NOT a fringe whacko, in a way.

5 Perplexed  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:36:27am

Disgusting. At St Louis Lambert Field TSA had a guy hauled into an interrogation room when the guy was flying CONUS and not international. Missouri also had to pull back some documents calling Constitutionality's, Ron Paul supporters, etal potential domestic terrorists.

6 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:36:53am

So, will Fox and the other outlets that give Jones and his ilk an outlet to spread their nonsense continue to do so, or will they stop? /

Of course they will continue to provide Jones with an outlet to spread his odious views.

It shouldn't be all that surprising that a conspiracy nut also happened to run in the same circles as a Stormfronter, since they too are a conspiracy minded group that sees Jews controlling all aspects of life and that they're looking to purify the nation of those influences.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the slain cops killed in this heinous act.

7 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:36:54am

Jus' another right wing bitter clingy gun nut in the media.

8 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:37:17am

Ignorance: the gift that keeps on giving.

9 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:37:47am

The last time I went to a gun show there was a dealer selling World War Two memorabilia. This idiot had a Swastika banner taped to the wall behind him. All it would take is someone slipping video of that to one of the local stations to create a false impression that gun owners are closet Nazis.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:38:04am

People like Glenn Beck are inciting this kind of violence with their ranting about armed militias and revolution, and Fox News is incredibly irresponsible for letting him do it. The Napolitano webcast was absolutely insane.

Fox News is becoming everything the left has always said they were.

11 Timbre  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:38:13am

White supremacist vitriol and violence. Typical. Down here in Texas we are having a really bad time with "Aryan" gangs and of course that gang that likes the letter "K."

12 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:38:29am

He fears the Zionist-controlled US government.

Just like...

...just like...

Mearsheimer and Walt
9/11 Truthers
CAIR
ANSWER
Ward Churchill
"The Arab Street"
...and every nut, left and right, in this country.

How can the moonbats live with themselves, knowing they share part of his ideology?

13 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:39:34am

Wow. Pure insanity.

14 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:40:50am
Among his ambitions: “to accumulate enough ‘I punched that [expletive] so hard’ stories to match my old man.”

I think fathers are supposed to pass along better goals to their sons.

15 Occasional Reader  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:41:02am

re: #9 The Other Les

The last time I went to a gun show there was a dealer selling World War Two memorabilia. This idiot had a Swastika banner taped to the wall behind him. All it would take is someone slipping video of that to one of the local stations to create a false impression that gun owners are closet Nazis.

In the case of that particular gun owner... probably not "false".

Anybody who willingly hangs up a swastika banner in a prominent place... you have to wonder.

16 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #11 Timbre

White supremacist vitriol and violence. Typical. Down here in Texas we are having a really bad time with "Aryan" gangs and of course that gang that likes the letter "K."

Look up Mark Gregory Koernke. Try to listen to one of internet broadcasts without throwing something across the room. He's a Truther, Nirther, and he constantly rants about the "Kosher Mafia."

17 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:41:44am

Just another reason to not give world nut daily the time of day. They promote paranoid hyperbole every chance they get. They contribute to this madness. Hope they're pleased with themselves now- they are undermining the very law and order they think they're defending.

18 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:00am

Direct link between Far-left goofballs, and far right assholes.
Both dig Alex Jones.

19 Cdat88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:01am

I am sure the MSM will show this loony as just a typical Republican/Conservative. I assume that is how they see all of us not drinking the Kool-Aid, as poised on the brink of this sort of disgusting action.

20 Opinionated  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:23am
Jews secretly control America

We were recently foreclosed on and transfered control to the Amish.

Madoff you bastard.

21 Athos  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:29am

re: #17 Sharmuta

Just another reason to not give world nut daily the time of day. They promote paranoid hyperbole every chance they get. They contribute to this madness. Hope they're pleased with themselves now- they are undermining the very law and order they think they're defending.

But it brings eyeballs - and that is all that counts to them.

22 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:42am

Crazy is the operative word here...

23 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #16 The Other Les

I forgot. Koernke is also a self-appointed militia leader from back during the Clinton Administration.

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:43:33am

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

25 LindaMarie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:43:37am
Among his ambitions: “to accumulate enough ‘I punched that [expletive] so hard’ stories to match my old man.”

Not sure what he meant by this -- about tattoos?
Rankings. Sad for all.
Most for his victims

26 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:43:44am

re: #18 Jimash

That's because they both converge at the very bottom.

27 Pastorius  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:43:59am

Well, that kind of fleshes out that story a bit, doesn't it?

Story shouldn't have gotten much play in the first place.

Individual crimes perpetrated by lunatics are not worthy of our attention. We have a Jihad, an Obama, and other LARGE issues to concern ourselves with.

28 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:44:03am

re: #15 Occasional Reader


Anybody who willingly hangs up a swastika banner in a prominent place... you have to wonder.

Frankly, for me, there is no wondering about it...

29 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:44:06am

re: #20 Opinionated

We were recently foreclosed on and transfered control to the Amish.

Madoff you bastard.

Running the world is the LAST thing the Amish would want to do.

30 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:44:28am

Dick head

31 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:44:48am

Both major poltical parties and all the news feeds have gone off the deep end in inciting this nonsense. how can they all be so blind to what's going on?

32 Occasional Reader  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:44:53am

re: #20 Opinionated

We were recently foreclosed on and transfered control to the Amish.

That explains everything. I recently contacted a bank about refinancing a mortgage, and was told I could do it only if I helped them raise a new barn.

33 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #10 Charles

People like Glenn Beck are inciting this kind of violence with their ranting about armed militias and revolution, and Fox News is incredibly irresponsible for letting him do it. The Napolitano webcast was absolutely insane.

Fox News is becoming everything the left has always said they were.

To be frank, the recent outbreak of mass shooting spans the ideological, ethnic and interpersonal spectrum.

One was a cop-hating criminal (Oakland)
One was an embittered immigrant (Binghamton)
One was a Stormfront nutjob (Pittsburgh)
One had personal psychological issues (Washington State)
...etc.

They may all be influencing each other, but the outbreak seems to be independent of ideology. The message is simply: Whatever your psychosis, express it by massacring everyone in the vicinity!

What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

34 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:45:16am

re: #9 The Other Les

The last time I went to a gun show there was a dealer selling World War Two memorabilia. This idiot had a Swastika banner taped to the wall behind him. All it would take is someone slipping video of that to one of the local stations to create a false impression that gun owners are closet Nazis.

You need to find out who runs those shows and talk to them.
I attend "Crossroads of the West" shows on a regular basis and have never seen anything like that. The show promoters, good Mormon folk from Utah, don't like neo-nazi crap. People sell WWII memorabilia, including some German stuff, but huge Nazi flags on the wall? Nope.

35 LindaMarie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:45:18am

re: #25 LindaMarie

Not sure what he meant by this -- about tattoos?
Rankings Rantings. Sad for all.
Most for his victims

36 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

That makes me glad my TV goes no further than the DVD/VCR player, AND makes me wonder WTF I'm missing. (euuwwww!)

I think I'll let you keep updating me about the latter.

37 J.S.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:46:20am

re: #10 Charles

"Reliable Sources" (or not) stated this morning that Beck is sky-rocketing in viewers and endorsers (some program of Beck's was just picked up -- I think on the radio? and they say he's rolling in the dough--apparently by being "outrageous" he gains viewers,etc.)...(I don't watch Fox or listen to talk shows).

38 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:46:32am

I'm always amazed by how the far-left & far-right are so much in common.

39 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:02am

re: #33 zombie

Someone once predicted that I would go up into a tower with a sniper rifle.

This person later got a sex change and voted for Die Grosse Null.

40 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:02am

There is a huge copy cat thing going on. These people like the blazing gun death deal.

41 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:24am

re: #21 Athos

But it brings eyeballs - and that is all that counts to them.

I think worse than the true believer is one that promotes it purely for personal enrichment.

42 Steve Rogers  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:29am

Liberals all over the U.S. are salivating at ways they can attempt to connect this nutjob to all conservatives and libertarians.

43 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:42am

re: #33 zombie

What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

That's really the key issue here. After the VT Shooter and his video rants were on TV, the question was asked if media was inciting future incidents of shootings.

Too bad nobody answered and thereby changed their behavior.

44 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:43am

re: #33 zombie

What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

SPOT ON!

45 Cdat88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:47:58am

I just hope they found a nice cell for this idiot...with lots of new friends....

46 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:48:46am

re: #38 MarkX

I'm always amazed by how the far-left & far-right are so much in common.

They are virtually identical, even in the manifestation of racism bigotry etc. I suspect some of the Kos commenters are Storm Front members.

47 right_wing2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:48:53am

I'm fairly sure the Obamessiah would love to eliminate private gun ownership in this country, but we've go to oppose things like this within the bounds of the law.

When we devolve into belief in massive conspiracy theories, that the Jooooos, or any other cabal-like group, has absolute control over our lives, we look like fools.

48 Opinionated  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:48:58am

re: #29 The Other Les

Running the world is the LAST thing the Amish would want to do.

The first rule of controlling the World is: you do not talk about controlling the World.

49 Timbre  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:49:44am

re: #45 Cdat88

I just hope they found a nice cell for this idiot...with lots of new friends....

He'll have plenty of friends in prison. And, unfortunately, I'm not being sarcastic.

50 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:50:33am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

I saw that segment, and wondered at the time how many buttons he was deliberately pushing in the psycho part of his audience, by using that imagery.

51 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:50:34am

Kilgore's link to his friend Eddie's MySpace page.


DOCUMENTS I RECCOMEND YOU READ BY GOOGLE: "Civil War II" by Tom Chittum "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" "The Turner Diaries" by Dr. William Pierce "Jewish Supremacy" by Dr. David Duke It Has Even Been Documented In The Communist Manifesto: "“We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tension. "By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. "In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavour to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. "We will aid the Negros to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites, and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.” Statement by Israel Cohen, in his book, “A Racial Programme for the Twentieth Century,” 1912, which is also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7th, 1957"

SNIP

Kilgore linked this photograph. It looks like a phoenix to me, and its head is turned in the same direction as the Nazi's iron phoenix.

52 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:50:45am

re: #38 MarkX

I'm always amazed by how the far-left & far-right are so much in common.

Perhaps we should just drop the whole Left-Right paradigm.

Either someone is for Rational Government and Liberty, or they are not. And if they are not then they to pull their head out of their terminal orifice correct themselves.

53 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:04am

re: #38 MarkX

I'm always amazed by how the far-left & far-right are so much in common.

You must remember it's not a linear line, the compass works better. Second both Nazis and Commies are statists, both are left (or top of linked chart).

54 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:07am

re: #33 zombie


What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

What they ALL have in common is a mental illness. The care for mental /emotionally ill is sadly deadly lacking in this country.

55 Cdat88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #49 Timbre

True. His kind of scum does tend to congregate there, don't they?

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:23am

re: #45 Cdat88

I just hope they found a nice cell for this idiot...with lots of new friends....

I agree, but wish to respectfully suggest to the hatchling ... don't take the idea any further.

The end object of that thought is a subject which is tacitly "verbotten" here. It severely offends some of the Lizards.

/Your allusion to it is sufficient

57 Occasional Reader  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #49 Timbre

He'll have plenty of friends in prison. And, unfortunately, I'm not being sarcastic.

I think the police and prison guards are going to make damn sure that this scumbag cop-killer does not have a fun time in prison.

58 FrogMarch  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:51:52am

Alex Jones *spit*.


My opinion of Alex Jones is right in line with my opinion of Michael Moore. They are both bottom feeding lying ASSHOLES.

59 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:52:11am

I get the feeling that these punks were Nazis long before Beck started his show on Fox.

60 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:52:17am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

Yes, he is.
And it isn't just Glenn Beck who is frightening.

I just got an e-mail from a friend who I know to be, usually, a very discerning and rational person. She forwarded me something she got in an e-mail.

This thing begins this way:

Dear Fellow Concerned American:
This briefing is a critical, time-sensitive warning. Please read what I am about to say carefully, because your very life may depend on it.

It goes on to warn about the "social chaos" that is about to descend upon our country, and then, of course, asks that you buy the "guide" to making it through, with topics such as: Smart Hoarding of food and fuel; and Life-Saving Basics - Make Your Own Antibiotic Alternatives At Home.

61 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:52:23am

re: #18 Jimash

Direct link between Far-left goofballs, and far right assholes.
Both dig Alex Jones.

And Ron Paul, interestingly enough.

Of course Ron Paul has no problem being friendly with stormfront, so ...

62 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:52:39am

re: #53 jcm

thanks...

63 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:52:52am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

What is he trying to do? Make money?

64 Athos  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:53:41am

re: #41 Sharmuta

I think worse than the true believer is one that promotes it purely for personal enrichment.

The populist....telling them what you think they want to hear for your own personal advancement. It's nothing but pandering and represents a moral and intellectual bankrupcty.

That's one of the challenges I have with FNC - a number of their commentators take MSNBC to task for pandering to the hard deranged left - yet they remain far less outspoken for those on FNC like Beck and Napolitano who pander to the conspiracy theorists on the hard right.

Unless FNC wakes up to this hypocrisy, they will legitimately be tainted by their association with those who celebrate Alex Jones and his ilk. And I don't think expressing that they provide commentators like Beck and Napolitano with the freedom to speak what they believe will fly. Irresponsible speech should always have repercussions.

65 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:53:43am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

And FNC keeps forcing their credible contributors onto the show to acquire the taint.

/I cringed and wept for Bolton

66 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:53:45am

What strikes me is how fast the ID of this maniac got out and how slow the ID of the Binghampton shooter took to get out.

67 Wild Knight  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:54:16am

My prayers for the souls of the dead and for their families. He sure sounds like Timothy McVeigh though. Perhaps we ought to be grateful that he didn't pull off something far, far worse.

68 right_wing2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:54:18am

re: #52 The Other Les

Perhaps we should just drop the whole Left-Right paradigm.

Either someone is for Rational Government and Liberty, or they are not. And if they are not then they to pull their head out of their terminal orifice correct themselves.

Wasn't it Reagan who compared political philosophies on a vertical, rather than horizontal, scale? Up, towards freedom & liberty vs down, towards more & more government control?

69 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:54:40am

re: #58 FrogMarch

Alex Jones *spit*.

My opinion of Alex Jones is right in line with my opinion of Michael Moore. They are both bottom feeding lying ASSHOLES.

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

70 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:54:40am

I hope he has the same wish for the death penalty that McVeigh had.

71 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:54:42am

I stayed at some friends' last night, watched some AM show on NBC. Watched the local Fox affiliate last night at 10, both a rarity for me. Both were pushing really hard, the idea that the problem is the 2nd amendment.

I wonder what next week's gun atrocity will be.

Did I predict this? Ya. Many months ago.

72 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:05am

re: #51 MandyManners

Why do I even look ?

"I have paint sex. I'm in a band called Versa in which I sing and play guitar. It's fantastic being a creative thinker, it gives me the ability to not care to hear what you have to say because its probably something you've recycled from someone else anyway. I only am interested in the people i know that are geniuses in their own right. I'm sure their advice holds more merit. The Matt Spahr's, Jason Orr's and Richard Poplawski's of this world. "

73 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:09am

re: #68 right_wing2

Wasn't it Reagan who compared political philosophies on a vertical, rather than horizontal, scale? Up, towards freedom & liberty vs down, towards more & more government control?

I don't recall that. But I have to agree with it.

74 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

That was him.

75 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:22am

re: #70 MandyManners
Does Pennsylvania have the death penalty?

76 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Yes, that's the asshole.

77 The Other Les  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:32am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Same asshole.

78 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:44am

re: #74 jaunte

re: #76 MandyManners

OK, I thought so.
Thanks.

79 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:47am

re: #71 Taqiyyotomist

Both were pushing really hard, the idea that the problem is the 2nd amendment.

Which just feeds the problem.

80 LindaMarie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:56am

Kind of like here in Kabul and in Pakistan especially.
Murder after murder.
I laughed when I read one of the Al Quida mouth pieces said they were responsible for the murders in NY, not enough blood for you yet in the world? He must not have read some were Asain. People dead? YES - we did it - on US soil that is all he knew and wanted to scare us with.

It is like an ill wind blows over the earth. But also news - bad news sells -it can travel the earth in seconds not in the months or weeks it took in the past.

81 Timbre  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:55:57am

re: #57 Occasional Reader

I wish I could talk about it, but I can't. But when I retire, between 1-6 years, I will literally be dancing in the streets. Not drunk either, just joyous.

82 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:56:10am

re: #72 Jimash

Why do I even look ?

"I have paint sex. I'm in a band called Versa in which I sing and play guitar. It's fantastic being a creative thinker, it gives me the ability to not care to hear what you have to say because its probably something you've recycled from someone else anyway. I only am interested in the people i know that are geniuses in their own right. I'm sure their advice holds more merit. The Matt Spahr's, Jason Orr's and Richard Poplawski's of this world. "

Many here were trying to figure out the "paint sex" thing yesterday.

83 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #66 pingjockey

Could you (and others) do me a favor and spell BINGHAMTON correctly?

Former Binghamton resident.

84 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:56:45am

re: #40 pat

There is a huge copy cat thing going on. These people like the blazing gun death deal.

There are plenty of places in the world where people could do a lot of good if they wanted to go down guns blazing. There are a lot of jihadists wasting oxygen and destroying lives in too many corners of the globe. But dying a lonely death in the Sudanese desert fighting the Janjaweed won't get you on the 6 O'Clock news.

85 yma o hyd  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:56:49am

re: #45 Cdat88

I just hope they found a nice cell for this idiot...with lots of new friends....

If he doesn't get the death penalty - chances are that he may well convert to islam in prison, and become a jihadist, given his world view.

86 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:56:53am

re: #75 pingjockey

Does Pennsylvania have the death penalty?

According to Lizards yesterday, yes.

87 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:04am

re: #83 irongrampa
Grampa...it was a WAG on my part.

88 Athos  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:09am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Yes, he was the nutjob who did that.

89 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #51 MandyManners

Kilgore's friend?

90 Cdat88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Same Richard Cranium.

91 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:23am

Great...just friggin great, the murdering wacko turns out to be a far-right murdering wacko...jayzuz will the anti-lefties have a field-day.

92 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #86 MandyManners
Fast track his date with the grim reaper.

93 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:35am

re: #78 reine.de.tout

re: #76 MandyManners

OK, I thought so.
Thanks.

That's the anti-semitic asshole, for sure.

94 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:48am

When will Fox feature David Icke?

95 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:57:58am

re: #82 MandyManners
What posted that piece of crap?

96 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:58:03am

re: #87 pingjockey

Not offended, ping-hell, I spelled it that way for a long while.

97 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:58:18am

re: #68 right_wing2

Wasn't it Reagan who compared political philosophies on a vertical, rather than horizontal, scale? Up, towards freedom & liberty vs down, towards more & more government control?

The best description for me has been the concept of having individual rights or not.

98 FrogMarch  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Same guy.

99 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:07am

re: #87 pingjockey

Grampa...it was a WAG on my part.

I simply can't BELIEVE you p'd on Binghamton!
*gasp*

/ (-:

100 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:10am

re: #96 irongrampa
Well, it is spelled American, not English!

101 David Simon  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:15am

Speaking of nuts, I was wondering what Medea Benjamin was doing observing Bud Greenberg's AIG testimony. She's now barking like a moonbat that Greenberg should be ashamed of himself that he caused people to lose their homes. Leaving aside the fact that AIG had nothing to do with people "losing their homes," Greenberg hasn't worked for AIG for four years. What an idiot.

102 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #89 funky chicken

Kilgore's friend?

EEKS! Poplawski's friend.

Sorry about that, Kilgore!

103 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:31am

re: #99 pre-Boomer Marine brat
See my 100!

104 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:45am

Sounds like Poplawski was a deeply troubled young man mentally/emotionally and I doubt it had anything to do with Fox News.

105 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #92 pingjockey

Fast track his date with the grim reaper.

How hard-core is he?

106 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:14am

re: #103 pingjockey

See my 100!

:D
I know.
I was teasing.
/and a pun too.

107 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #105 MandyManners
The grim reaper or the maniac?

108 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #104 rightymouse

Sounds like Poplawski was a deeply troubled young man mentally/emotionally and I doubt it had anything to do with Fox News.

When did he get his dishonorable discharge from the USMC?

109 Occasional Reader  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:44am

Later.

110 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:48am

re: #107 pingjockey

The grim reaper or the maniac?

HA!

111 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #106 pre-Boomer Marine brat
D'oh!

112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #111 pingjockey

D'oh!

(-:

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Later.

'Gator.

114 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #62 MarkX

thanks...

What I find entreating are the anarchists. Which should be far right, extreme libertarian no government almost universally statist in their goals.

That's the one that leaves me scratching my head.re: #68 right_wing2

Wasn't it Reagan who compared political philosophies on a vertical, rather than horizontal, scale? Up, towards freedom & liberty vs down, towards more & more government control?

Political compass.

Up = authoritarian / statist.
Down = Libertarian / inidividualist
Right = social right
Left = social left

115 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #92 pingjockey

Fast track his date with the grim reaper.

I heard someone opine that Geraldo is the Grim Reaper.... he always shows up where there is or about to be a death.

He was quick up to Binghamton Friday afternoon....

...and he is unusually young looking for his age.... something isn't quite right about him.

116 Athos  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:02:36am

Time to run - chores to do.

Have a great day everyone!

117 SteveC  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:02:55am

re: #11 Timbre

White supremacist vitriol and violence. Typical. Down here in Texas we are having a really bad time with "Aryan" gangs and of course that gang that likes the letter "K."

The Sesame Street Gang?!?!

118 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:03:07am

re: #10 Charles

People like Glenn Beck are inciting this kind of violence with their ranting about armed militias and revolution, and Fox News is incredibly irresponsible for letting him do it. The Napolitano webcast was absolutely insane.

Fox News is becoming everything the left has always said they were.

But at the same time, they allow more leftist wacko stuff on the air. That's not the kind of fair-but-"balanced" coverage anybody needs.

Fox has always been third-rate as a news organization, with occassional bursts of competence. Given that Murdoch now also owns WSJ, a first-class paper and improving recently, it's a little hard to understand.

But I have long watched their local Los Angeles morning show "news" show, just for entertainment, not for real news.

119 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #115 MarkX
Hmmm. Maybe he made a deal, like Dick Clark!

120 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:03:18am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

Yep, and he and Fox drive the more moderate citizens to stock up on guns and ammo to protect against the Obama brown shirts.
There is some real hatred of Obama in certain segments of the population, and there is money to be made by inflaming it. The more popular Obama becomes with one segment, the more isolated and fearful the minority appears, and ripe for exploitation.

121 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:03:43am

CBS was using imagery from Nazi Germany last week, when the O was in Germany. They used quite a few different clips, too, as a backdrop for a story about why many from the region are wary of Obama's economic advice, which they say will lead to a period of hyperinflation, one of the things which they fear will lead, as before, to a new Dictator-ed era.

CBS.

My jaw hit the floor when I saw it.

122 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:00am

While I agree that Glenn Beck is a sensationalist, driven to get out the message that the government is out of control and needs to be stopped, the idea of this government heading toward (or explicitly being) fascism is not untrue - in an interview on PJTV with the head of the Ayn Rand Institute (I believe) they had the same discussion about the recent, excessive government's control over business behavior being specifically defined as fascist, not socialist.

The rapid changes and Obama's specific statements of intent to giving-away of the US fiscal rights to the IMF oversight committees is further deeply disturbing. Paired with the suggestions about the Cloward-Piven strategies and Soros' known ideologies, there are some things to voice loud concern over and too much of the society is frankly asleep still.

So, for Beck to get up and out there at least is bringing the debate alive. I do not condone the nutjobs and their violence. What I do hope is that enough people are made aware of the sweeping changes that are overcoming us, so there is potentially a way to stop the insanity.

Beck, when I heard him (and I do NOT watch enough of him to endorse him) was pressing for people to stand up, not partisan lined but ALL citizens AGAINST what is no longer a government by, of and for the people, protecting them individually...

123 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:11am

re: #108 MandyManners

When did he get his dishonorable discharge from the USMC?


When he was 14, apparently.

124 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:36am

re: #104 rightymouse

Sounds like Poplawski was a deeply troubled young man mentally/emotionally and I doubt it had anything to do with Fox News.

I didn't say Poplawski's crimes were due to Fox News, but the fact is that since the election, Fox has taken a very marked turn toward the far right. Glenn Beck is leading it, but that show with Napolitano, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell and other extremists was beyond the pale.

125 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:37am

re: #123 rightymouse
What?

126 MarkX  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:37am

re: #121 Taqiyyotomist

Considering the source, my jaw would not have hit the floor...

127 Timbre  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:38am

re: #114 jcm

Political compass.

Up = authoritarian / statist.
Down = Libertarian / inidividualist
Right = social right
Left = social left

The old Johari Window model! I remember it from Psychology class.

128 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #64 Athos

It's nothing but pandering and represents a moral and intellectual bankrupcty.

I could not agree more. They're making their money whipping up mob mentality hysteria with no solutions to actual problems, and will likely face no consequences for the results of their fear mongering. It's likely they won't even face repercussions of their words when they fail to come to pass, they will move on to the next target with their audience not even considering that the bloviator was wrong previously. They will not lose credibility in the eyes of those who want to believe the worst.

129 LindaMarie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:05:21am

re: #83 irongrampa

Could you (and others) do me a favor and spell BINGHAMTON correctly?

Former Binghamton resident.

That is why I just typed NY, knew I would spel it wrong.
LOL - try Albuquerque for starters. If someone asks me I can spell it, unless they interrupt me then I have to start all over.

130 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:05:23am

re: #120 avanti

Yep, and he and Fox drive the more moderate citizens to stock up on guns and ammo to protect against the Obama brown shirts.
There is some real hatred of Obama in certain segments of the population, and there is money to be made by inflaming it. The more popular Obama becomes with one segment, the more isolated and fearful the minority appears, and ripe for exploitation.

Did you notice this phenomenon during the previous presidency?

131 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:05:36am

re: #120 avanti

Yep, and he and Fox drive the more moderate citizens to stock up on guns and ammo to protect against the Obama brown shirts.
There is some real hatred of Obama in certain segments of the population, and there is money to be made by inflaming it. The more popular Obama becomes with one segment, the more isolated and fearful the minority appears, and ripe for exploitation.

To be fair, Obama and the Democrats and their known policies had something to do with this "drive" as well.

132 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:05:51am
133 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:06:01am

re: #128 Sharmuta
They have lost credibility with conservatives, I hope. I had no idea Beck was such a loon.

134 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #120 avanti

You know- it's possible to hate what 0bama's doing without turning into an extremist nutjob.

135 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:06:36am

re: #76 MandyManners

Yes, that's the asshole.

Yup, I remember the video with that asshole screaming relentlessly at Michelle Malkin with some Anarchist chanting "Kill Michelle Malkin" just off camera at the DNC. Michelle was, I believe, videoing a group of hippies trying to levitate a building.

136 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:06:59am

re: #9 The Other Les

The last time I went to a gun show there was a dealer selling World War Two memorabilia. This idiot had a Swastika banner taped to the wall behind him. All it would take is someone slipping video of that to one of the local stations to create a false impression that gun owners are closet Nazis.

You mean that view hasn't been promoted in the media for the last twenty years or more (but not without some justification, as you saw yourself)?

137 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:07:07am

re: #124 Charles

I didn't say Poplawski's crimes were due to Fox News, but the fact is that since the election, Fox has taken a very marked turn toward the far right. Glenn Beck is leading it, but that show with Napolitano, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell and other extremists was beyond the pale.

I missed that AND in that case then it is disturbing, however there is an argument to be made about the way things are headed by our out-of-control administration.

138 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:07:51am

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

139 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #137 Right mind left
Arguments and points can be made without resorting to becoming batshit crazy.

140 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:06am

re: #134 Sharmuta

You know- it's possible to hate what 0bama's doing without turning into an extremist nutjob.

Not to Avanti! And, I bet not to the gun-grabbers in the weeks to come. I foresee being tagged as a cop-killing Nazi because I oppose FCBBHO's desire to take my guns.

141 Bob Dillon  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:33am

re: #122 Right mind left

VDH chimes in eloquently ... this will really make your day.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

President Obama’s First 70 Days - It really does all make sense.
victorhanson.com

142 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:34am

re: #137 Right mind left

There's a link above to the previous post on napolitano promoting these freaks.

143 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:37am

re: #138 Charles

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

Ron Paul!

/answering the poll early

144 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:37am

re: #138 Charles
OMG! I'm thankful I missed that.

145 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:08:51am

re: #124 Charles

I didn't say Poplawski's crimes were due to Fox News, but the fact is that since the election, Fox has taken a very marked turn toward the far right. Glenn Beck is leading it, but that show with Napolitano, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell and other extremists was beyond the pale.

I don't watch Fox News (just like I don't watch any other network news) for the very reasons you point out. The point I was making is that this man is very disturbed.

146 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #135 Idle Drifter

Yup, I remember the video with that asshole screaming relentlessly at Michelle Malkin with some Anarchist chanting "Kill Michelle Malkin" just off camera at the DNC. Michelle was, I believe, videoing a group of hippies trying to levitate a building.

And, then he hounded her through the streets! He's worse than Rivera.

147 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:09:40am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

Yes, and it only took Alex Jones an eyeblink to go from calling Bush a Nazi to go to calling Obama a Nazi. Meanwhile, a large segment of his listeners are Neo Nazis.

148 Macker  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:09:51am

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.

Point of inquiry: given БХО's actions to take control of not only the auto industry but also the banking sector, wouldn't images of the Soviets have been more appropriate for Beck to display?

149 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:09:53am

re: #138 Charles

Here I thought Cavuto was the last bastion of rationality left on fox. It's sad to hear he's giving ron paul air time.

150 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:10:31am

re: #144 pingjockey

OMG! I'm thankful I missed that.

Hey, Ping!

I think it might be spring over here! 50°F heading for 65°F, with a real bright thing up in the sky.

151 J.S.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:10:53am

re: #124 Charles

I think there's another problem also -- there's no real incentive to put a stop to the radicalization...So, for example, what does "Reliable Sources" do? Well, of course, it mocks Beck "for crying" -- does a segment on late night comics mocking Beck's crying...in other words, the Left simply uses Beck as "the rodeo clown" and takes that at face value. There's no real, honest, sincere, critique of what Beck is doing. So the Left's response to Beck is also problematic...

152 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:02am

re: #138 Charles

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

CAVUTO?

*whimper*

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:24am

re: #150 jcm

... a real bright thing up in the sky.

In Seattle?
No way!

154 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:27am

re: #150 jcm
Mwahahaha! Hey FNC just ran a teaser, Where did the nut kill his 5 kids?

155 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:40am

What bothers me about the administrations' attempts at scare tactics regarding guns and ammo is the false information campaigns - all of them talking about the number of our guns ending up in Mexican drug wars was patently false and clearly a fabricated platform.

re: #142 Sharmuta

There's a link above to the previous post on napolitano promoting these freaks.

I can't stand that guy - thanks - I'll scroll up and find it once I finish reading VDH's article!

156 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:49am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In Seattle?
No way!

I thinking the world might end.........

157 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:52am

I'm glad I quit paying for fox news quite a while ago.

158 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:12:18am

re: #156 jcm

I thinking the world might end.........

Undoubtedly so!

159 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:12:31am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It does happen on occasion. Now over in Forks, they have a big party when the sun comes out. BTW, the rainfall there is measured in feet!

160 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:12:43am

re: #148 Macker

Point of inquiry: given БХО's actions to take control of not only the auto industry but also the banking sector, wouldn't images of the Soviets have been more appropriate for Beck to display?

Да, товарисч!

161 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:12:54am

re: #148 Macker

The point Beck was making (in a sensationalist way) was that if Obama was a socialist, he wouldn't pretend to allow private companies to operate; the fact that he did pretend that they were private companies when they were actually manipulated by the government, made the system fascistic.

162 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #125 pingjockey

What?

He's 22 years old and the article says:

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks -- a day before Mr. Poplawski's birthday -- he decided to join the military, stopped going to classes and pursued a general educational development certificate.

"In boot camp he had missed his girlfriend so he had to make a decision ... he got himself dishonorably discharged so he could come back," Mr. Perkovic said.

According to Mr. Perkovic, Mr. Poplawski tossed a lunch tray at a drill instructor.

This doesn't say exactly WHEN after 9/11 he joined the military, but the way it's written can be misconstrued as occurring when he was 14.

163 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #149 Sharmuta

Here I thought Cavuto was the last bastion of rationality left on fox. It's sad to hear he's giving ron paul air time.

*bangs head on desk*

164 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:10am

re: #47 right_wing2

I'm fairly sure the Obamessiah would love to eliminate private gun ownership in this country, but we've go to oppose things like this within the bounds of the law.

When we devolve into belief in massive conspiracy theories, that the Jooooos, or any other cabal-like group, has absolute control over our lives, we look like fools.

That's the sort of myth that makes Beck and those like him seem believable. BHO has never suggested he wanted to eliminate private ownership of weapons. Even if you believed that to be true, the constitution protects you. No one is going to take your guns away. No need to run to your gun store and stock up, you'll be just fine.

165 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #154 pingjockey

Mwahahaha! Hey FNC just ran a teaser, Where did the nut kill his 5 kids?

Near Orting.

5 children found dead near Orting

166 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:21am

Ron Paul with Neil Cavuto (and this is not the only time he's been on the show):

167 right_wing2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:28am

Found the Reagan comment!

Ronald Reagan came to the Student Union (1965; UCLA), and he said there’s no such thing as left or right; he said that’s the wrong way to look at it. A political spectrum should be up and down, up towards freedom, down towards tyranny. Communism and Nazism are down at the same end of the spectrum of tyranny and totalitarianism.

168 Macker  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:13:39am

re: #161 jaunte

The point Beck was making (in a sensationalist way) was that if Obama was a socialist, he wouldn't pretend to allow private companies to operate; the fact that he did pretend that they were private companies when they were actually manipulated by the government, made the system fascistic.

Then it'd be Mussolini then....

169 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:07am

re: #162 rightymouse
Ya don't get discharged for tossing a lunch tray. There's way more to it.

170 jester6  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:08am

re: #3 zombie

He killed cops with his guns because he was afraid the gubmint was gonna take away his guns so he couldn't defend himself from criminals?

Now that's logical.

I don't know this person but I have followed the militias and their ilk since the early 1990s. His primary reason for owning guns was to protect himself from the government, not criminals.

Engaging in a gun fight with agents of the government, namely the police, is totally logical if you start with the correct premise.

171 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:22am

Geithner May Oust Boards at Banks Needing ‘Exceptional’ Aid

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said he’s prepared to oust the senior management and boards of directors at banks that require “exceptional” assistance from the U.S. government.

“If in the future, banks need exceptional assistance in order to get through this, then we will make sure that assistance comes,” while making sure taxpayers are protected, Geithner said today in an interview on the CBS “Face the Nation” program. “Where that requires a change in management and the board, then we will do that.”

So much for shareholder rights.

/someone needs to sue Geithner if he tries it, to find out if it's even Constitutional

172 Macker  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:22am

re: #167 right_wing2

Linky?

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:31am

re: #159 pingjockey

It does happen on occasion. Now over in Forks, they have a big party when the sun comes out. BTW, the rainfall there is measured in feet!

How far east are you?
(IIRC, not over near the Idaho border)

Just curious. My Dad worked on Grand Coulee Dam for a while back in the 30's.

174 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #138 Charles

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

Every day I count my lucky stars that I don't watch TV. If that's what programming is like nowadays, I can't imagine why anybody watches it.

175 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:45am

re: #165 jcm
May God have mercy.

176 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #164 avanti

That's the sort of myth that makes Beck and those like him seem believable. BHO has never suggested he wanted to eliminate private ownership of weapons. Even if you believed that to be true, the constitution protects you. No one is going to take your guns away. No need to run to your gun store and stock up, you'll be just fine.

BULLSHIT. He has said that he cannot take away guns because he doesn't have the support in Congress. His AG, Holder wants to take them away from us, the "cowards".

177 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #167 right_wing2

Found the Reagan comment!

Ronald Reagan came to the Student Union (1965; UCLA), and he said there’s no such thing as left or right; he said that’s the wrong way to look at it. A political spectrum should be up and down, up towards freedom, down towards tyranny. Communism and Nazism are down at the same end of the spectrum of tyranny and totalitarianism.

Communism, Nazism, and Islamism...

178 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:14:54am

I think the point Charles is trying to get across, is Obama on pure policy, and job performance has more than enough inadequacy for justifiable criticism.

Diverting from the rationale arguments, and lending credibility to the fringe element makes the argument indistinguishable from the far left idiocy lucid folks find disturbing as well.

If you need Alex Jones to bolster your position, you have already lost the argument.

179 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:15:00am

Well that's interesting. I just discovered you can type cyrillic characters in to the LGF comment screen, but it doesn't like it when you cut and paste them.

180 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:15:04am

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Wenatchee area!

181 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #168 Macker

It's a dull and debatable proposition, until you start running Hitler movies behind the talking head.

182 tradewind  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:15:24am

Regardless, when you get down to the lick-log, you almost always find a paranoid schizophrenic, either off his meds or untreated.
It'll happen over and over.... the politics of the sickos may differ, but the end result is the same.
It doesn't excuse them, just explains them, in most cases. I don't know what can be done.

183 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:15:50am

re: #141 Bobibutu

VDH chimes in eloquently ... this will really make your day.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

President Obama’s First 70 Days - It really does all make sense.
victorhanson.com

That was a good article. I believe our founding fathers were brilliant and the idea of a Republic that protects the individual is essential to facilitating a prosperous life for those who want to use their ingenuity and abilities. What we have now is out of control, upside down and the wrong CHANGE.

184 zombie  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #167 right_wing2

Found the Reagan comment!

Ronald Reagan came to the Student Union (1965; UCLA), and he said there’s no such thing as left or right; he said that’s the wrong way to look at it. A political spectrum should be up and down, up towards freedom, down towards tyranny. Communism and Nazism are down at the same end of the spectrum of tyranny and totalitarianism.

Do you have a link for that quote? I'd really like to save it. Thanks.

185 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:20am

re: #169 pingjockey

Ya don't get discharged for tossing a lunch tray. There's way more to it.

Doh....

186 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #166 Charles

Ron Paul with Neil Cavuto (and this is not the only time he's been on the show)

Don't turn on your TV.

/Chris Wallace is interviewing FNC business contributor Ben Stein

187 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:44am

Jews Control America? If so We're doing a awfully piss poor job of it. I for one want a Better paycheck if I'm in control (currently job hunting)

188 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:46am

There's a whole parlor industry of neo-apocalyptic pundits out there who have been pimping this swill since the survivalist days of the 80's -- gravitating towards that axis might secure FOX an assured niche base, but it's going to chase everyone else away in the longer run. They are idiots.

189 Bob Dillon  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:48am

BBL ... going to burn calories.

190 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:49am

I have a bunch of links to FCBBHO's record on the Second Amendment but, they've been scrambled over hill and dale.

191 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:16:51am

re: #166 Charles

I'm really disappointed in Neil- I thought he was the one who called him out on taking money from stormfrount, and he turns around and brings the man back?! WTH, Neil!

192 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:17:21am
He's 22 years old


A 22-year-old troofer nazi. I had forgotten about my theory, that a certain segment of the modern 20-23 age group is extremely vulnerable to The Stupid. That's why most Troofers (and Marxists, and neo-nazis, et cetera) are college kids.

Maybe it's always been that way, and it just seems much worse because of the internet, but it surprises me that it's taken this long for a troofer to go out shooting.

193 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:17:23am

re: #164 avanti

That's the sort of myth that makes Beck and those like him seem believable. BHO has never suggested he wanted to eliminate private ownership of weapons. Even if you believed that to be true, the constitution protects you. No one is going to take your guns away. No need to run to your gun store and stock up, you'll be just fine.

I wish I could ding your post down a thousand more times. Obama HAS voted to ban all guns. It was one of the few times he didn't hit the present button.

194 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:17:27am

re: #185 rightymouse
Back in my day, the DI would've taken you out back and given you a set of lumps and that would be it.

195 J.S.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:17:28am

re: #174 zombie

CNN right now has on their program which uses the promo -- "The Post American World" (yeah, like that's a really good thing.) *spit*

196 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #169 pingjockey

Ya don't get discharged for tossing a lunch tray. There's way more to it.

Yeah, lots and lots of PT and a LOR or Art. 15, or just dismissed from basic for the good of the service.

197 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #193 x-wing

Don't even bother.

198 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #164 avanti

That's the sort of myth that makes Beck and those like him seem believable. BHO has never suggested he wanted to eliminate private ownership of weapons. Even if you believed that to be true, the constitution protects you. No one is going to take your guns away. No need to run to your gun store and stock up, you'll be just fine.

Double BULLSHIT. Mandy's #176 is accurate, and don't think that taxing and "red-taping" guns and ammo into unaffordability isn't the same thing as taking them away. That's just the fascist version of the plan as opposed to the communist/socialist version, which is taking them away.

199 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:18:30am

re: #188 Thanos

There's a whole parlor industry of neo-apocalyptic pundits out there who have been pimping this swill since the survivalist days of the 80's -- gravitating towards that axis might secure FOX an assured niche base, but it's going to chase everyone else away in the longer run. They are idiots.

They're blind to the fact they're shooting themselves in the foot. But when the insanity they're promoting doesn't pan out, will anyone care that fox has egg on their face?

200 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #190 MandyManners

I have a bunch of links to FCBBHO's record on the Second Amendment but, they've been scrambled over hill and dale.

That's one earthy omlette...

201 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #138 Charles

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

Yep. A couple of weeks before the election Beck thought he was real funny saying that John McCain is just "socialism light" or whatever and he really talked up Bob Barr.

I had to laugh at the buffoon when he started trying to support McCain in the week before the election. Dumbass.

It's guys like Beck that make me completely indifferent to a revival of the Fairness Doctrine. It didn't kill America before, and I think we'd all survive a sharp reduction in "conservative talk radio" hours.

202 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:19:39am

re: #146 MandyManners

And, then he hounded her through the streets! He's worse than Rivera.

Alex Jones is clearly off his rocker, I can't classify him as Left or Right just plain nuts! A dangerous nutter with a microphone and radio show at his disposal.

203 Perplexed  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:19:50am
204 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:20:01am

re: #195 J.S.

CNN right now has on their program which uses the promo -- "The Post American World" (yeah, like that's a really good thing.) *spit*

Didn't Fareed Zakharia, who is now a commentator on CNN, write that book?

205 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:20:18am

re: #194 pingjockey

Back in my day, the DI would've taken you out back and given you a set of lumps and that would be it.

My 'huh?' radar went on full tilt after reading the 'news' article.

206 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:20:29am

re: #195 J.S.

Fareed Lying Zakaria interviewing bad-deal-maker James (Puke) baker.

207 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:20:47am

re: #190 MandyManners

I have a bunch of links to FCBBHO's record on the Second Amendment but, they've been scrambled over hill and dale.

One I've found. [Link: gunbanobama.com...]

208 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #195 J.S.

CNN right now has on their program which uses the promo -- "The Post American World" (yeah, like that's a really good thing.) *spit*

Oy...

209 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #203 Perplexed

A dog urinating in the house brought the police in.

Wait.
His mother called the police?

210 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:26am
And they say I'm crazy.

/Glenn Beck's favorite catchphrase, right after "follow me"

211 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:31am
212 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:32am

re: #155 Right mind left

What bothers me about the administrations' attempts at scare tactics regarding guns and ammo is the false information campaigns - all of them talking about the number of our guns ending up in Mexican drug wars was patently false and clearly a fabricated platform.

They won't be needing any more disinformation campaigns if these twice-weekly "American-style" killing sprees (what, for the last month now?) keep up the pace. ABC called it that last week, "American-style" while lamenting the availability of guns. The public will demand that we do the Austraila and G.B. thing with regard to guns if we get another month of this. The Philly one should about do it. Three cops killed will get the public and the MSM riled up. If not, we'll see one next week.

Understand, I am not saying "false flag attacks". I don't think Soros&co went and found a buncha suicidals and said, okay, here's your schedule, go crazy for a few months. Things just happen to be working out perfectly for the anti-2nd-amendment crowd lately. Planetary alignment or something.

213 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #203 Perplexed

A dog urinating in the house brought the police in.


He sounds paranoid and delusional.

214 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:01am

re: #207 MandyManners
Even if they don't ban firearms outright, they'll tax the shit out of the ammo and reloading stuff to make it prohibitevly expensive.

215 J.S.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:01am

re: #204 Colonel Panik

Oh, of course (it figures, doesn't it?) that that would also be the bozo's book title...

216 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:12am

Here is Alex Jones home page. Frankly I never heard of him until today.
[Link: www.infowars.com...]

If the story on Hawaii is any indication, it is filled with hyperbole, hysteria, and exaggeration. Sort of like the Daily Kos.

217 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:12am

re: #197 formercorpsman

Don't even bother.

I know. Was just lurking and sure enough, avanti strikes again.

218 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:30am

Good Afternoon Lizards!

On this whole Glenn Beck thing, I have to say that I was becoming a fan of his, admittedly without knowing all that much about him. However, recently he started a new website that I initially found intriguing, but when I began reading the blog section and saw some of the comments that were being allowed there I was very disappointed. I suppose like most kooks on both sides there always seems to be some basis of logic there that somehow just gets taken to an extreme that causes them to lose all credibility. Unfortunately there seems to be more and more people ending up on the bottom of that cliff recently.

219 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #209 J.D.

Grand mother.

220 Cognito  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:22:48am

Man, what a tragic combination.

Bravo to the Post-Gazette for putting together an incredibly thorough profile in short order.

221 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:23:17am

re: #201 funky chicken

It's guys like Beck that make me completely indifferent to a revival of the Fairness Doctrine. It didn't kill America before, and I think we'd all survive a sharp reduction in "conservative talk radio" hours.

I do not and will not support government censorship. As much as I disagree with these nuts, the solution is for private citizens to turn them off, not the government.

222 Perplexed  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:23:19am

re: #201 funky chicken

Yep. A couple of weeks before the election Beck thought he was real funny saying that John McCain is just "socialism light" or whatever and he really talked up Bob Barr.

I had to laugh at the buffoon when he started trying to support McCain in the week before the election. Dumbass.

It's guys like Beck that make me completely indifferent to a revival of the Fairness Doctrine. It didn't kill America before, and I think we'd all survive a sharp reduction in "conservative talk radio" hours.

Indifference helped get us the Obama administration. Also the fairness doctrine IMHO is un-Constitutional.

223 Irish Rose  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:24:31am

Rot in hell, you f*ing animal.

224 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #219 pat

Grand mother.

Oh.
^That link^ said mother.

225 Timbre  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:24:57am

re: #164 avanti

"The Constitution protects you?" Do realize how many millions of people believe the Second Amendment refers only to the organized military, or is outdated and should be dropped? We protect ourselves!

226 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:09am

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Geithner May Oust Boards at Banks Needing ‘Exceptional’ Aid


So much for shareholder rights.

/someone needs to sue Geithner if he tries it, to find out if it's even Constitutional

Shareholders could be asked to approve the government deals - in fact, "should" be in all cases.

However, you know that shareholder rights for major corporations, are pretty much a joke and always have been. Takes a major takeover battle before they matter at all.

If shareholders had rights they could exercise, they'd be pursuing all the directors of the big finance firms for ten kinds of malfeasance.

227 wong fei hung  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:18am

Sad thing is, there IS a conspiracy... its just not the Zionist/Alien/FBI mind-control garbage that tin-foil wearing morons like Alex Jones would like us to believe.

The conspiracy is to carry out, under cover of Obama's "unifying and soaring" rhetoric and the Senate's wordy legalese, the agenda of international socialism. Some "conspiracy loons" have been warning us about this for decades. Problem is, the Lew Rockwells of the world threw in their white-power/FEMA/UFO bullshit and it ended up painting good people with the same brush. The Obama agenda is a series of endless ponzi schemes (for example: green jobs, carbon credits, etc.) which are clearly designed to weaken our country financially. Once that is accomplished, its much easier to weaken us in every other aspect.

When I hear Gordon Brown use terms like "new global architecture", I get chills! Is it not obvious that the subjugation of this country to a global body is the end goal? Is it not frightening how quickly these lunatics are making fantastics inroads to that goal? Will this country, this world even, be recognizable 10 years from now? Barack Obama is a cult of personality to a Western Civilization that immolates itself for the sins of its fathers. Nothing is more dangerous than this. It's wide-scale demagoguery to the nth degree.

The only thing that can stop this train is for the American people to take lawful direct action as is their legal right. Vote out representatives who support Obama. Take to the streets on tax day for peaceful protest. Make conversations HAPPEN about what's going on. It's far too late for politics to be something "too passionate" or "too personal" to discuss with friends and family. The average American, the average Westerner, does not understand: the trillions of dollars we have just borrowed against ourselves are designed to PLUMMET US INTO FINANCIAL SUBJUGATION. After that, everything else follows.

No "conspiracy theory" there. It's a cold fact. Listen to what the G20 leaders have been saying. Proofs in the pudding. Anytime you see that many world leaders smiling together, giving thumbs up, you know where those thumbs are headed. And you know at some point, your ass is gonna start to hurt.

Real bad.

-WFH

228 Irish Rose  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #10 Charles

People like Glenn Beck are inciting this kind of violence with their ranting about armed militias and revolution, and Fox News is incredibly irresponsible for letting him do it. The Napolitano webcast was absolutely insane.

Fox News is becoming everything the left has always said they were.

TOTALLY AGREE.

229 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:25am

re: #207 MandyManners

One I've found. [Link: gunbanobama.com...]

In 1996 President Elect Obama answering a question from the Independent Voters of Illinois:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. Ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. Mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

230 Perplexed  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #209 J.D.

Sure looks like it. Seems she was going to throw out the doofus.

231 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #194 pingjockey

Back in my day, the DI would've taken you out back and given you a set of lumps and that would be it.

Wasn't it a choice between cleaning the Whiskey Locker or the Tree Line accident?

232 MJBrutus  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:20am

Never mind how utterly representative these nut cases are of conservative thought, we are going to see an invigorated push against "right wing domestic terrorists." Maniacs like this are a gift to the anti-gun crowd. They provide the excuse to justify taking guns away from law-abiding, responsible people. They also provide the excuse to inflate the domestic terrorism fear-mongering to the point that it over-shadows the threats from Islamic and other foreign terrorists. That's how we ended up with the

The fact is that the leftists in power do want to curtail our rights. No, there's no grand conspiracy anything along the lines of the Alex Jones insane ramblings. But there is an irrational hatred of gun ownership on the left. There is also a political incentive for them to associate everyone on the right with demented assholes like these to discredit all of us who oppose their political grasping.

233 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #193 x-wing

I wish I could ding your post down a thousand more times. Obama HAS voted to ban all guns. It was one of the few times he didn't hit the present button.

No, he has not.

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

234 Ford_Prefect  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #201 funky chicken

I would have to disagree with you about the Fairness Doctrine. Any legislation that intends to infringe on our right to free speech is something that needs to be fought. Don't like conservative talk radio? Then don't listen. But don't try to tell me, or the radio show owners, that they have to balance out the dialogue. The talk about the Fairness Doctrine wouldn't exist if the left dominated the radio. After all, no one is talking about the MSM needing to balance their coverage.

235 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #231 Idle Drifter
In the navy it was a trip to the paint locker or the line locker.

236 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #212 Taqiyyotomist

They won't be needing any more disinformation campaigns if these twice-weekly "American-style" killing sprees (what, for the last month now?) keep up the pace. ABC called it that last week, "American-style" while lamenting the availability of guns. The public will demand that we do the Austraila and G.B. thing with regard to guns if we get another month of this. The Philly one should about do it. Three cops killed will get the public and the MSM riled up. If not, we'll see one next week.

Understand, I am not saying "false flag attacks". I don't think Soros&co went and found a buncha suicidals and said, okay, here's your schedule, go crazy for a few months. Things just happen to be working out perfectly for the anti-2nd-amendment crowd lately. Planetary alignment or something.

I think that this kind of chaos is part of the Cloward-Piven strategy. It is in the angry uprising that is generated by forcing out of control chaos. People become unhinged. Then that gives the administration cause to impose more controls, take away more freedoms and generally throw the bill of rights out the window, with the blessing of the masses because they are led to believe it is the only way to restore order...but...

237 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #230 Perplexed

Sure looks like it. Seems she was going to throw out the doofus.

Gee, I wonder why a nice guy like that lost his job.

238 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:27:20am

re: #217 x-wing

It is enough to make your head spin though.

He got me to respond on the previous thread.

239 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:27:22am

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Geithner May Oust Boards at Banks Needing ‘Exceptional’ Aid

So much for shareholder rights.

/someone needs to sue Geithner if he tries it, to find out if it's even Constitutional

The only reason banks need "exceptional aid" is because the gvmt forced them to give free money away to bums. What a shock that giving money to people who won't every pay it back doesn't work out as a good business model.

240 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #165 jcm

Near Orting.

5 children found dead near Orting

Jumping in for a moment, from watching the news video.

A King5 reporter just said that "... neighbors, many of them parents, are asking just how could someone be pushed to such an extreme."

How could someone be PUSHED to murder his children?!?!
The station is saying that no motive has yet come out.
But this asshole reporter assumes it wasn't really the father's fault!

The reporter needs to be whacked with a clue-bat!

241 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #232 MJBrutus

presume that's un-representative

242 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #226 itellu3times

Shareholders could be asked to approve the government deals - in fact, "should" be in all cases.

However, you know that shareholder rights for major corporations, are pretty much a joke and always have been. Takes a major takeover battle before they matter at all.

If shareholders had rights they could exercise, they'd be pursuing all the directors of the big finance firms for ten kinds of malfeasance.

/by law, only a shareholder vote or resignations can oust board members, that's a principle that needs to be protected not eroded

243 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #220 Cognito

Man, what a tragic combination.

Bravo to the Post-Gazette for putting together an incredibly thorough profile in short order.

Sad when thwe media has to be congratulated for doing it's job in a timely and accurate fashion!

Back when I was young, that was a GIVEN!

244 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #138 Charles

Glenn Beck, by the way, is also a very big booster of Ron Paul, and a creationist as well. In fact, Fox News is now giving Ron Paul more publicity than ever; he appears on several Fox shows, including Beck and Neil Cavuto.

C'mon, you can't actually think that these things are linked. Sure they are all things that you hold in disdain, but it is silly to throw in that he is a fan of these nut-cases... and a creationist!

I'm a believer in intelligent design, but that doesn't mean I know the method that God used. Let's try to stick on point.

I used to listen to Glenn, and enjoyed his radio show, but ever since the primaries he has gone off the deep end. When people start to associate themselves with the likes of Alex Jones (another Paulian) you know there is a disconnect with reality.

Mike

245 MJBrutus  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #241 itellu3times

presume that's un-representative

Yes. Thank you :-)

246 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #240 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Clue bat + reporter = unemployed reporter!

247 right_wing2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:28:56am

re: #172 Macker

[Link: www.fullcontext.org...]

248 jester6  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:29:24am

re: #10 Charles

People like Glenn Beck are inciting this kind of violence with their ranting about armed militias and revolution, and Fox News is incredibly irresponsible for letting him do it. The Napolitano webcast was absolutely insane.

Fox News is becoming everything the left has always said they were.

I respectfully disagree. You should listen to Beck a little if you can stomoch it. He is not calling for armed militias or revolution. But he is worried we are heading to a point where things might get out of hand.

Glenn Beck and Fox did not create this vein of discontent. They just tapped into it.

There are many relatively rational people out there who worry Obama is taking us down the road to fascism. That does not mean Obama is Hitler or intends to build death camps. But his recent behavior with GM and the Bank CEOs makes him look more and more like Hugo Chavez 10 years ago.

When folks call into Beck's show and talk about black helicopters or ZOG or the Trilateral Commission routinely shoots them down. He has even taken time to debunk some of the crazier videos and theories posted online. Recently he took apart a rumor that a house bill was going to ban farms in peoples back yard.

It's better to have a Glenn Beck provide forum for those worried about the country moving to fascism then leaving the discussion to Stormfront and the other kooks in the militia movement.

249 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #227 wong fei hung

Wow, that was an incredible post. Mega-upding.

250 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:29:44am

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Geithner May Oust Boards at Banks Needing ‘Exceptional’ Aid

So much for shareholder rights.

/someone needs to sue Geithner if he tries it, to find out if it's even Constitutional

If all this is constitutional, wouldn't it be correct to say that no one's business is safe?

251 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:29:56am

re: #244 Skembo

I'm a believer in intelligent design, but that doesn't mean I know the method that God used. Let's try to stick on point.

ID is not science, never has been, never will be.

252 Son of the Black Dog  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:30:01am

re: #21 Athos

But it brings eyeballs - and that is all that counts to them.

I've quit watching the Fox evening lineup. Two less eyeballs.

253 Cognito  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:30:17am

re: #243 sattv4u2

Sad when thwe media has to be congratulated for doing it's job in a timely and accurate fashion!

Back when I was young, that was a GIVEN!

Whatever dude. They did a good job.

254 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #229 jcm

In 1996 President Elect Obama answering a question from the Independent Voters of Illinois:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. Ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. Mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

You mean to tell me you are going to believe BH0's own words or Avanti's talking points?

//"That was a long time ago -he's a different man now." "Who among us didn't say things they regret in their mid 30's?" "That was local -the challenges of politics on a national scale are much different." (Just helping Avanti out with his defense is all)

255 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:30:49am

re: #250 J.D.

If all this is constitutional, wouldn't it be correct to say that no one's business is safe?

It's not Constitutional, but since when does that matter.

And yes, no ones salary or business will be safe.

256 spudly  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:30:52am

I'm sick of "far-right" being used to describe would-be National Socialists. By any rational matrix of political views, they are not "right" at all.

257 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:09am

re: #130 debutaunt

Did you notice this phenomenon during the previous presidency?

Not to the same extent, GW was unpopular with the majority, not with the minority and the majority may have disliked him, but only few hated him and believed he'd impose martial law for example. I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.

258 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #244 Skembo

re: #251 Sharmuta

ID is not science, never has been, never will be.

In all fairness, skembo doesn't state it is!

259 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #251 Sharmuta

Did I say it was? My point is that getting all wrapped up in these issues to the point that you are just ticking down a list of things that you don't like is very high school.

Mike

260 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:42am

You gotta love it.

261 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:50am

re: #233 Charles

No, he has not.

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

My bad. He just just supports the ban of all guns.

262 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:31:54am

re: #253 Cognito

Whatever dude. They did a good job.

That they did, but the piont still is valid!

263 Irish Rose  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:02am

Let me also say that I have nothing but contempt for conservative bloggers who allow their commentors to incite violence on their blogs... triple that contempt, if they're doing it themselves.

264 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:20am

Officer Stephen Mayhle
Pittsburgh Police Department, Pennsylvania
End of Watch: Saturday, April 4, 2009

Officer Eric Kelly
Pittsburgh Police Department, Pennsylvania
End of Watch: Saturday, April 4, 2009

Officer Paul Sciullo III
Pittsburgh Police Department, Pennsylvania
End of Watch: Saturday, April 4, 2009


[Link: www.odmp.org...]


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Saint Michael, heaven's glorious commissioner of police, who once so neatly and successfully cleared God's premises of all its undesirables, look with kindly and professional eyes on your earthly force.

Give us cool heads, stout hearts, and uncanny flair for investigation and wise judgement.

Make us the terror of burglars, the friend of children and law-abiding citizens, kind to strangers, polite to bores, strict with law-breakers and impervious to temptations.

You know, Saint Michael, from your own experiences with the devil that the police officer's lot on earth is not always a happy one; but your sense of duty that so pleased God, your hard knocks that so surpirsed the devil, and your angelic self-control give us inspiration.

And when we lay down our night stick, enroll us in your heavenly force, where we will be as proud to guard the throne of God as we have been to guard the city of all the people.

Amen.

265 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:23am

They've caught the fool who robbed the 7/11 with his 9 yr old daughter.re: #256 spudly
They are socialists, therefore they are Leftists! Mwahaha!

266 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:25am

re: #255 jcm

It's not Constitutional, but since when does that matter.

And yes, no ones salary or business will be safe.

We're not at war with the car companies.
Exactly.

267 right_wing2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #229 jcm

In 1996 President Elect Obama answering a question from the Independent Voters of Illinois:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. Ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. Mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Supposedly that was filled out by a staffer, and Obama never saw it.

268 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:44am

re: #254 Bloodnok

You mean to tell me you are going to believe BH0's own words or Avanti's talking points?

//"That was a long time ago -he's a different man now." "Who among us didn't say things they regret in their mid 30's?" "That was local -the challenges of politics on a national scale are much different." (Just helping Avanti out with his defense is all)

Let's say for arguments sake Obama's views have shifted in the last 15 years.

In that case explain Eric Holder.

269 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:32:52am

re: #242 Killian Bundy

/by law, only a shareholder vote or resignations can oust board members, that's a principle that needs to be protected not eroded

Sure, but in many cases the board controls the votes anyway, and in most other cases, the majority of ownership is with proxies like mutual or retirement funds, or else they vote the shares held in street name. I own a few shares of this and that, and I seldom open up the packages or vote on anything.

Could the Internet bring us more participatory democracy among shareholders? Maybe. But it would pretty much be a first.

None of the changes I'd want to make, generally get on the ballot.

I'm not HAPPY about any of this, but it is how it is.

270 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #254 Bloodnok

or = over

PIMF

271 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:16am

Gotta' go finish dinner. bbl

BTW, The President's Analyst is on TCM next. It's a marvelously funny movie.


272 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:23am

re: #235 pingjockey

In the navy it was a trip to the paint locker or the line locker.

In the Marines it was the Treeline or the Whiskey Locker depending where you were at the time. I forget why we called the Storage Room for all the cleaning supplies the Whiskey Locker.

273 Erik The Red  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:28am

re: #227 wong fei hung

Sad thing is, there IS a conspiracy... its just not the Zionist/Alien/FBI mind-control garbage that tin-foil wearing morons like Alex Jones would like us to believe.

The conspiracy is to carry out, under cover of Obama's "unifying and soaring" rhetoric and the Senate's wordy legalese, the agenda of international socialism. Some "conspiracy loons" have been warning us about this for decades. Problem is, the Lew Rockwells of the world threw in their white-power/FEMA/UFO bullshit and it ended up painting good people with the same brush. The Obama agenda is a series of endless ponzi schemes (for example: green jobs, carbon credits, etc.) which are clearly designed to weaken our country financially. Once that is accomplished, its much easier to weaken us in every other aspect.

When I hear Gordon Brown use terms like "new global architecture", I get chills! Is it not obvious that the subjugation of this country to a global body is the end goal? Is it not frightening how quickly these lunatics are making fantastics inroads to that goal? Will this country, this world even, be recognizable 10 years from now? Barack Obama is a cult of personality to a Western Civilization that immolates itself for the sins of its fathers. Nothing is more dangerous than this. It's wide-scale demagoguery to the nth degree.

The only thing that can stop this train is for the American people to take lawful direct action as is their legal right. Vote out representatives who support Obama. Take to the streets on tax day for peaceful protest. Make conversations HAPPEN about what's going on. It's far too late for politics to be something "too passionate" or "too personal" to discuss with friends and family. The average American, the average Westerner, does not understand: the trillions of dollars we have just borrowed against ourselves are designed to PLUMMET US INTO FINANCIAL SUBJUGATION. After that, everything else follows.

No "conspiracy theory" there. It's a cold fact. Listen to what the G20 leaders have been saying. Proofs in the pudding. Anytime you see that many world leaders smiling together, giving thumbs up, you know where those thumbs are headed. And you know at some point, your ass is gonna start to hurt.

Real bad.

-WFH

Home Run.Great post. Get the KY out and bend over.

274 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #257 avanti

You are ill.

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #246 pingjockey

Clue bat + reporter = unemployed reporter!

I watch it three times, to get his exact words. He said it very naturally, like it's the way he (himself) is accustomed to thinking.

Objective, fact-based, news reporting? ... ... *spit*

276 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #267 right_wing2

Supposedly that was filled out by a staffer, and Obama never saw it.

Yeah, I've heard that.

He owns the statement if it came out of his campaign.

277 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #257 avanti

Not to the same extent, GW was unpopular with the majority, not with the minority and the majority may have disliked him, but only few hated him and believed he'd impose martial law for example. I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.

You're kidding, right?

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:30am

I am always saddened when one of these guys makes it to the police station.

279 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:34am

re: #272 Idle Drifter
Probably because the senior NCOs hid their booze there!

280 J.D.  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:50am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am always saddened when one of these guys makes it to the police station.

Upding.

281 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:54am

Obama does not intend harm. But he bases his policies on philosophy and wishful thinking. This, compounded by his wholly unjustified belief in his intellect, the narcissism of he and those around him, could prove to be extraordinarily destructive. But don't look at the victims to revolt. Roosevelt was a terrible domestic President, but his worshipped by all.

282 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:34:54am

re: #277 scottishbuzzsaw

You're kidding, right?

sadly, he's not

283 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #264 Dustyvet

Have we heard from Wyatt today?
How's he doing?

284 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:14am

Just remember, if you're a business and you you agree to take government money, you get Barney Frank humping your leg as part of the bargain.

/choose wisely

285 rightymouse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #257 avanti

Not to the same extent, GW was unpopular with the majority, not with the minority and the majority may have disliked him, but only few hated him and believed he'd impose martial law for example. I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.


What a bunch of crap.

286 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:19am

re: #274 Jimash

You are ill.

Side effects of kool-aid.

287 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:21am
288 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:29am

re: #259 Skembo

Are you calling Charles "high school"?

289 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #277 scottishbuzzsaw
Yeah, I haven't seen a book out advocating the ones assasination.

290 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:51am

re: #236 Right mind left

Make enough people lose their jobs so that inevitably a few will go nuts, then if some people go nuts, institute the lockdown? In March, 750,000 lost their jobs. What is 6 as a percentage of that? (Six being the number of people, if I'm counting correctly, who have lost their marbles in the last month and made the news with firearms.)

291 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:35:57am

re: #244 Skembo

C'mon, you can't actually think that these things are linked. Sure they are all things that you hold in disdain, but it is silly to throw in that he is a fan of these nut-cases... and a creationist!

It's not silly at all. The point you're missing is that Glenn Beck has been promoting one loony idea after another on his show -- end times, Ron Paul, creationism, militias, revolution, Obama=Nazis, Obama=Antichrist, you name it, he's out there ranting about it. The fact that he occasionally throws in a little disclaimer about "not really believing" something does not make it any better.

It's irresponsible in the extreme, and yes -- I do believe all these things are linked.

292 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:36:01am

I was kinda outta touch all weekend, anything going on?

293 Emerald  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:36:20am

Can't say I'm surprised. Disgusted, yes, but not surprised.

294 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #282 sattv4u2

Uuuggghh, what the stink has been going on in this joint? I feel like I'm in the Ayn Rand's head.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I updinged that based upon my heart, not my head.

/need to keep reminding myself of that

296 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #288 Sharmuta

Are you calling Charles "high school"?

Sharm , respectfully, please stop it, please. As I stated in my 258 Skembo never stated what you attributed to him in your 251

297 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:37:23am

re: #294 Skembo

Uuuggghh, what the stink has been going on in this joint? I feel like I'm in the Ayn Rand's head.

Can you translate that?

298 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:37:44am

re: #288 Sharmuta

Are you calling Charles "high school"?

Maybe a jazz fan?

//

299 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:37:59am

re: #291 Charles

It's not silly at all. The point you're missing is that Glenn Beck has been promoting one loony idea after another on his show -- end times, Ron Paul, creationism, militias, revolution, Obama=Nazis, Obama=Antichrist, you name it, he's out there ranting about it. The fact that he occasionally throws in a little disclaimer about "not really believing" something does not make it any better.

It's irresponsible in the extreme, and yes -- I do believe all these things are linked.

The latest thing I heard from Beck really early this AM ( must have been a repeat ) was: Since Gitmo and prisoners are a problem--don't take any?

300 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:38:09am

re: #240 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looking for someone to blame, other than the culprit. The death of modern reportage.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #257 avanti

Not to the same extent, GW was unpopular with the majority, not with the minority and the majority may have disliked him, but only few hated him and believed he'd impose martial law for example. I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.

Your memory is very short.

302 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:38:29am

re: #296 sattv4u2

Did you read #259?

303 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:39:12am

re: #289 pingjockey

Yeah, I haven't seen a book out advocating the ones assasination.

My husband and I spent those 8 years covered in spittle from the frothing mouths of our leftist families regarding the evils of GWB...

304 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:39:55am

re: #302 Sharmuta

Did you read #259?

Yes I did, but this started with your 251 which preceded that

305 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:40:26am

re: #303 scottishbuzzsaw
Thankfully I'm in the very Red part of Wa. state and only have to put up with the occasional leftist looney.

306 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #134 Sharmuta

You know- it's possible to hate what 0bama's doing without turning into an extremist nutjob.

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

307 pat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:40:47am

Avanti:

I post for your edification a Google image page on search Bush Martial Law.

[Link: images.google.com...]

Note captions. Please review and remember.

308 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:40:55am

Kos: Conservatives like to shoot cops


[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

309 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #277 scottishbuzzsaw

Maybe avanti meat to say "fear" .....'the fear is more widespread than I recall.'

Because more than hatred I am seeing FEAR of 0bama, of what he is doing and the breakneck speed at which he is doing it. FEAR of what will happen to hard-working people just going about t heir daily lives, FEAR of what will happen to their children, DEAR of the world their children and their grandchildren will inherit.

There was no fear of Bush in this manner. Sure the left hated him, but they knew he wouldn't re-write the basic rules for American life.

They also knew no matter what, he would PROTECT them.

0bama is throwing us to the wolves himself.

310 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:41:59am

re: #306 avanti
Fine, Obambi is a commie! IMO.

311 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:23am

re: #256 spudly

I'm sick of "far-right" being used to describe would-be National Socialists. By any rational matrix of political views, they are not "right" at all.



"Well, then, we'll just have to use an irrational matrix of political views, wherein whatever I say is left is left, and whatever I say is right is right. And there is no left - only "normal" and far- and extreme- and ultra-right. So there."

/lib off

312 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:27am

re: #257 avanti

I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.

That comment is just meant to incite. Nice try.

313 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #306 avanti

We're going to have bigger trouble when people realize the president's policies suck and are making matters worse. He's well on his way towards making carter seem competent.

314 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:35am

re: #308 Dustyvet

Kos: Conservatives like to shoot cops

[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

I'm conservative and was with cops and MA's all weekend with guns and nobody shot anyone?

315 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #257 avanti

Not to the same extent, GW was unpopular with the majority, not with the minority and the majority may have disliked him, but only few hated him and believed he'd impose martial law for example. I think the hatred on the right is much deeper then the disapproval of GW's ever was. Yes, there are idiots on both sides, but this hatred it more wide spread then I recall.

These nutball memes are free-floating and attach to whoever takes office.

However, hatred in general is a preoccupation of the left, who tend to project it on the right. The MAINSTREAM left looks for hatred, worries about hatred, accuses anyone who disagrees of hatred, and denies they themselves ever hate. The right may hold some who hate, but they are few and marginal, not mainstream.

It is just barely possible that, for some period of time circa the 1950s, things were otherwise, and there was at least a stereotypical group among the right that was characterized by hate, at least of Communism. Justified, maybe, but even so. I'm thinking of the heyday of the John Birch Society.

But that was gone by the late 1960s, and any rational and objective view of the topic of hatred in the last twenty years, finds it predominantly on the left, the MAINSTREAM left. OK, it occurs to me, some of the anti-abortion or other religious extremists on the right, might give some reality to the left's accusations, but I assert that these are extremists and rare, and not any kind of mainstream group or influence on the right or Republicans.

... and then there's the ID issue that suggests that religious nutballism *has* penetrated to the mainstream of the Republican party, but that is still not hate - he said, hopefully.

316 wong fei hung  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #273 Erik The Red

Get out the KY, indeed.

THIS is what we all should be focusing on. We all know in our heart of hearts that anyone that wastes their time merely "hoping he fails" doesn't really get IT and is likely just a ***damned cowardly armchair quarterback anyways.

-WFH

317 Guanxi88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Is Alex Jones the same guy who followed Michelle Malkin around at one time, yelling at her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

No, that was him; he lives (if you can call it living) here in Central Texas; local station carries his show every Sunday.

318 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #305 pingjockey

Thankfully I'm in the very Red part of Wa. state and only have to put up with the occasional leftist looney.

Don't believe him! He's a dry sider! The hot dry weather affects the brain!

While us on the wet side, our water logged brains just turn to mush!

Who ya' gonna' believe? A mush brain, or ole dried up husk brain?

Huh?

//// ;-P

319 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #166 Charles

Ron Paul with Neil Cavuto (and this is not the only time he's been on the show):

I agree with those who have already posted above; Cavuto should not be giving credibility to a person with Ron Paul's negatives. I have avoided reading or listening to Paul due to his negatives.

I must say that listening to him speak with Cavuto he made sense and was rational (in that clip only); if I didn't know his negatives I would have formed a favorable opinion of him. This actually makes it doubly disappointing Cavuto gives him the air time so Paul can connect with a populace who may not know his unacceptable negatives.

This only serves to associate rational conservative/libertarian talking points regarding fiscal discipline with the dangerous fringes and is most unhelpful. Some rational letters expressing the basis for disappointment need to be written to Cavuto so he doesn't (or his producers don't) make the mistake again.

320 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:43:44am

re: #288 Sharmuta

Are you calling Charles "high school"?

Don't be stupid.

re: #291 Charles

I understand that you believe that all of those things fall in the same nutter catagory, but throwing the together as on mass of nuttery is not helpful. It would be more constructive to attack them as different entities.

I am a very religious Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), OK decide for yourself if you think I'm Christian I'm not going to argue with you. I am appalled by both sides of the creationist/evolution debate. The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.

Mike

321 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:44:05am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

I'm conservative and was with cops and MA's all weekend with guns and nobody shot anyone?

With KOS, who knows what these idiots are going to come up with?

322 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:44:25am

re: #277 scottishbuzzsaw

You're kidding, right?

I searched everywhere for a sac tag.

323 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #318 jcm
Heh. Go get some moss out and rinse yer brain! Remember Bagdad Jim is on your side of the hill! Bwahaha!

324 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:45:13am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

I'm conservative and was with cops and MA's all weekend with guns and nobody shot anyone?

WOW! How do you protect yourself from the evil guns taking control of your mind?

/////

325 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:45:46am

re: #176 MandyManners

BULLSHIT. He has said that he cannot take away guns because he doesn't have the support in Congress. His AG, Holder wants to take them away from us, the "cowards".

Please provide a link that shows anyone has a the slightest chance of taking your guns away. the Supreme Court just ruled on your rights, stock up at will.

326 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:45:50am

re: #321 Dustyvet

With KOS, who knows what these idiots are going to come up with?

Somebody did have to get a few stitches because their thumb was in the wrong place, but hey, shit happens?

327 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:45:58am

re: #320 Skembo

It ain't science, so it doesn't belong in a science classroom. It's not the role of public schools to teach religious beliefs.

And yet I was jumped on for assuming this was where you'd go, yet I was correct.

328 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #320 Skembo

The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.

Such a disclaimer has been ruled unconstitutional in several courts including the Supreme Court. It does not belong in any kind of science class.

329 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:46:05am

The Tea Parties are another connection. Lew Rockwell, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul supporters and even Stormfront is getting involved. We can debate about the actual Tea Party policy but the fact remains that they are mainstreaming the worst and craziest elements on the right. Do you really want Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan as the next GOP nominee?

330 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:46:39am

re: #297 jaunte

I feel like I'm swimming in a sea of crazy people. Like Ayn, I feel like I can see a thousand missteps being made. People I agree with do the wrong things for the right reasons and end up playing in to the hand of the looters.

Mike

331 Guanxi88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #94 MandyManners

When will Fox feature David Icke?

As soon as Cavuot stops shape-shifting and I quite reading Icke's mail.

332 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:47:16am

re: #329 Killgore Trout
God help us. But, I really don't see either of those nutbars getting the nod.

333 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:47:23am

re: #324 jcm

WOW! How do you protect yourself from the evil guns taking control of your mind?

/////

Actually it the first time in 45 years i picked up a weapon. But I qualified and didn't shot myself or anyone else. Seems I am a much better shot in low light? Go figure.

334 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:47:45am

re: #323 pingjockey

Heh. Go get some moss out and rinse yer brain! Remember Bagdad Jim is on your side of the hill! Bwahaha!

*slop, sloosh, swirl* Sounds of mush brain working.......

You might have a point.....

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:47:52am

re: #318 jcm

Don't believe him! He's a dry sider! The hot dry weather affects the brain!

While us on the wet side, our water logged brains just turn to mush!

Who ya' gonna' believe? A mush brain, or ole dried up husk brain?

Huh?

//// ;-P

You forgot to mention that your toes are webbed together by purplish-green fungus.

336 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:47:59am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Do you really want Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan as the next GOP nominee?

No,, but I also don't want Arlan Spector or Olympia Snowe either!

337 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:48:04am

re: #306 avanti

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

0bama activates the flight or fight response, avanti ....you know the one, it kicks in when one feels in mortal peril.

His policies are merely an offshoot of his own personal beliefs, much more so that GWB or any Pres in my lifetime. Everything about 0bama is personal in a way perviously not seen ....he is implementing policies based on his personal ideological beliefs, not based on what the American people want. Even the libs I know are starting to freak out ....and they are freaking about the person he is, not the office he holds.

338 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:48:30am

re: #320 Skembo
Umm...NO! Faith is not science.

339 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:48:41am

re: #283 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have we heard from Wyatt today?
How's he doing?

I've not seen him in over a week...:(

340 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:48:47am

re: #330 Skembo

I feel like I'm swimming in a sea of crazy people.

This feeling can lead to unproductive behavior. See thread topic for an example.

341 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #335 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You forgot to mention that your toes are webbed together by purplish-green fungus.

Evolution!
A superior adaptation!

342 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:01am

re: #328 Charles

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

343 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:22am

Skembo- what would convince you that God used evolution?

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:40am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

KT? You just made me wonder...Do you think the people who would organize (for example) an "Anti-War" march, look over and see "Troofers" setting up a booth and say, "WTF are they doing here?"

345 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:48am

re: #325 avanti

Please provide a link that shows anyone has a the slightest chance of taking your guns away. the Supreme Court just ruled on your rights, stock up at will.

avanti. How bout you man up and show us one pro-gun vote that Obama has cast.

I'll await patiently.

346 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:52am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Name a hole in evolutionary theory.

347 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #341 jcm
Mwahahaha!

348 Guanxi88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:55am

re: #343 Sharmuta

Skembo- what would convince you that God used evolution?

Show it to him in Bereshit, and he might listen; otherwise, forget it.

349 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:49:58am

re: #306 avanti

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

Any somehow you never noticed this behavior during the past eight years? How?

350 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:01am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Which are.....?

351 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:08am

re: #339 Dustyvet

I've not seen him in over a week...:(

Thanks.

352 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:21am

re: #178 formercorpsman

Nicely summarized, well done :)

353 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:22am

re: #320 Skembo

I am a very religious Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints),

Aren't you supposed to be watching the April 2009 general conference all this weekend, especially right NOW!?!?!

354 Right mind left  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:23am

re: #290 Taqiyyotomist

Make enough people lose their jobs so that inevitably a few will go nuts, then if some people go nuts, institute the lockdown? In March, 750,000 lost their jobs. What is 6 as a percentage of that? (Six being the number of people, if I'm counting correctly, who have lost their marbles in the last month and made the news with firearms.)

If it is hyped correctly...it will instill fear in the masses. I am having a hard time reconciling all the absurd decisions happening in Washington. "Generated crisis" is Biden's comment that echoes in my head regularly.

And, as a young reader of Ayn Rand, I have learned to check my premises. I keep checking and fear the ones that are wrong. These assumptions we make as rational Americans are inaccurate at best. I understand why the likes of Beck are going over the deep end - and where we need to clearly figure out what MUST be done.

This is where we need to gather great minds who have great ideas and consolidate them into legal proposals.

I have been thinking about this a lot. Rather than poking at all the insanity, we need to find legitimate solutions that are translated into Bills that can be signed on ballots and presented to our elected officials. Things like demanding the repeal of the CRA or voiding the TARP, modifying the mark-to-market, voiding the current budget...at this moment all these logical things are impossible and would be laughed at - just as the GOP's attempts to create sane budget plans - but there is increasing need for unity and sanity...

355 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #346 Sharmuta

THE MISSING LINK...

356 yma o hyd  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:30am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Would you kindly save this discussion for one of the threats where its actually the theme of the debate, please?

Its totally out of place here.

357 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:33am

re: #346 Sharmuta
GMTA, ya beat me to it!

358 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:50am

re: #309 pink freud

Maybe avanti meat to say "fear" .....'the fear is more widespread than I recall.'

Because more than hatred I am seeing FEAR of 0bama, of what he is doing and the breakneck speed at which he is doing it. FEAR of what will happen to hard-working people just going about t heir daily lives, FEAR of what will happen to their children, DEAR of the world their children and their grandchildren will inherit.

There was no fear of Bush in this manner. Sure the left hated him, but they knew he wouldn't re-write the basic rules for American life.

They also knew no matter what, he would PROTECT them.

0bama is throwing us to the wolves himself.

Good points, pink. I don't want us to fear BHO but rather stand strong, do what we can to advance sanity and reason, and know we will survive this.

359 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:52am

re: #351 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I thought I saw him post a spinoff in the last day or two.

360 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:50:53am

re: #353 sattv4u2

LOL I am right now on DirectTV

361 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:03am

re: #351 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks.

Welcome...I sure wish he would pop on...

362 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:22am

re: #355 Skembo

There are countless transitional fossils.

363 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:25am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

There are NOT "many scientists" who disagree with the theory of evolution.

Please name one of these "holes" you're talking about.

364 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:26am

re: #355 Skembo

THE MISSING LINK...

Your argument is certainly missing credible links.

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:28am

Can we re-open the lounge? I mean, just for Avanti? I'll chip in!

366 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #351 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks.

He posted over at his place this morning.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:52:12am

re: #339 Dustyvet

I've not seen him in over a week...:(

"user:xxxx" search says he last commented on March 27th.
Hope he's okay.

368 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #362 Sharmuta

There are countless transitional fossils.

And each one creates a two new gaps!

/////

369 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #193 x-wing

I wish I could ding your post down a thousand more times. Obama HAS voted to ban all guns. It was one of the few times he didn't hit the present button.

Ok, I honestly was unaware of that vote. Please post a link, if true, it's a good thing we have a 2nd amendment. Here's a link about a few of the most popular gun control myths, but even those don't show a total gun ban vote. I'll wait for your link.

gun control.

370 Guanxi88  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #360 Skembo

LOL I am right now on DirectTV

You get BYUTV, too? Not a member, but some of the programs are interesting, even to an outsider. The programs on family budgeting, real "Home Economics", are quite informative. For my wife; yeah, for my wife. I wouldn't watch such things, of course. :)

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:02am

re: #341 jcm

Evolution!
A superior adaptation!

(*crickets*)

372 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:25am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Religion belongs in the home, church, synagogue, temple, or MOSQUE.

It does NOT belong in a science class.

373 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Posted a spinoff about 3 hours ago

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

374 Emerald  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

And we can have disclaimers that there are people who think the world is flat, that women don't have souls, that astrology rules the heavens instead of astronomy, that magic works instead of medicine...

375 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Sure, specifics are open for debate, however the theory is not.

Are you acquainted with the scientific definition of theory as opposed to the common usage.

376 AuntAcid  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:53:58am

The world has become too complicated and the usual experts are flummoxed. I say we ask Chauncey Gardiner his take on the mess we find ourselves in today.

377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:54:24am

re: #359 Sharmuta

I thought I saw him post a spinoff in the last day or two.

Thanks.

378 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:54:26am

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(*crickets*)

*sigh*

379 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #343 Sharmuta

I am sure that he used the laws of science in order to achieve his goals. Although I am also sure that he knows the laws of science a lot better than we do. I don't know specifically about evolution, but it doesn't matter to me. I hate the hysterical nature of the argument. Whenever we exclude something absolutely from a classroom we limit the knowledge that can be gained.

Mike

380 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:54:38am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

The Tea Parties are another connection. Lew Rockwell, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul supporters and even Stormfront is getting involved. We can debate about the actual Tea Party policy but the fact remains that they are mainstreaming the worst and craziest elements on the right. Do you really want Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan as the next GOP nominee?


I think the Stormfronter types will be marginalized relatively quickly. I plan on attending the Tea Party here in PHX. The more of us who are not whackjobs attend and get involved with this movement, the less likely it will be influenced by them and the more likely it will have a positive impact in blunting Obama's destructive economic policies.

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:54:41am

re: #373 Sharmuta

Posted a spinoff about 3 hours ago

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

ditto thanks!

382 AuntAcid  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #346 Sharmuta

Name a hole in evolutionary theory.

American Idol?

383 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:55:09am

Is it too late to plunk down five bucks on #390?!

384 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:55:12am

re: #355 Skembo

Are you kidding? 'The Missing Link' is in an of itself not proof of fallibility in evolution. If you're going to use semantic BS at least make it entertaining or funny. That is neither.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

385 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:55:25am

re: #379 Skembo
Once again...FAITH is not science.

386 abaleh  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:56:09am

Unconfirmed sources are saying that the North Korean missile launch was a diversion to keep the media and world leaders occupied while a truly fear inspiring weapon was being unveiled in Pyongyang.

387 Caton  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #372 pink freud

Religion belongs in the home, church, synagogue, temple, or MOSQUE.

It does NOT belong in a science class.

That's what religious nuts don't seem to understand. Science answers the "how". "Why" and "who" are outside the scope of science.

388 Bloodnok  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:56:16am

re: #383 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is it too late to plunk down five bucks on #390?!

As they say at the track: You can't bet 1 minute before post.

389 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:56:23am
390 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #370 Guanxi88

LOL! That is great. I can't get my wife to change the channel. I've got a 60" full HD flatscreen, and she is watching BYUTV...

391 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:08am

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Do you think the people who would organize (for example) an "Anti-War" march, look over and see "Troofers" setting up a booth and say, "WTF are they doing here?"


Nope. I'm pretty sure they're just happy people are attending the rally no matter how crazy they are. It's all about getting the big numbers.
The difference is that the peace rallies were organized by nutty groups and other nuts showed up. The Tea Parties are organized by Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul nuts and the attendees are mostly well meaning conservatives. They are being duped.

392 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #379 Skembo

All that is achieved by distorting science education is a weakening of science education. Science cannot speak for or against God. It is an entirely different aspect of the education of a child. One that belongs in church, temple, etc.

393 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #378 jcm

*sighribbit*

FTFY

394 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #379 Skembo

Mike:

Religion belongs in the home, church, synagogue, temple, or MOSQUE.

It does NOT belong in a science class.

395 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:29am

re: #379 Skembo


So lets teach Ouija in science class too.

396 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:45am

re: #355 Skembo

THE MISSING LINK...

Please educate yourself.

Links to posts about transitional fossils:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.talkorigins.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

397 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #393 pre-Boomer Marine brat

FTFY

ROFL!

398 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #369 avanti

Ok, I honestly was unaware of that vote. Please post a link, if true, it's a good thing we have a 2nd amendment. Here's a link about a few of the most popular gun control myths, but even those don't show a total gun ban vote. I'll wait for your link.

gun control.

I was already corrected on the vote, he only supports a total gun ban. Seems your guy aint keen on voting. Anyhow,as Mandy already asked. If he's not out to take our guns, please explain AG Holder.

399 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:04am

re: #386 abaleh

Unconfirmed sources are saying that the North Korean missile launch was a diversion to keep the media and world leaders occupied while a truly fear inspiring weapon was being unveiled in Pyongyang.

I hope the little fella eats better than most North Koreans.

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:09am

re: #383 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is it too late to plunk down five bucks on #390?!

RATS!

401 tradewind  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #206 Jimash

Baker may be flawed, but he saved this country from eight years of Al Gore, so he gets a pass.

402 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #380 Colonel Panik

As long as you know what you're getting into I won't try to dissuade you.

403 Tanna  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #12 zombie

Exactly. They get wrapped up in their fears and wear them like shrouds, both left and right. Their emotionality and fears makes them lose all perspective and rationality.
All that AntiChrist talk and paranoia makes people victims, they start to think that there's this overpowering force that is sweeping over them, and forgetting that it's just a man that can be voted out of office.
I promised my family I would not give my opinion of Obama until his first hundred days are over, because I'm sick and tired of their antichrist rhetoric of Bush, and didn't want to contribute to that bristling eyebrowed, snarled teeth debate.
I don't know what I'm going to do when the Hundred Days are up- just hand them a plastic grocery bag full of my vomit?

404 abaleh  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #399 Nevergiveup

I hope the zookeepers are well fed.

405 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:56am

re: #400 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Quatloos on 500.

406 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:58:57am

re: #384 BigPapa

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:59:12am

re: #395 Taqiyyotomist

So lets teach Ouija in science class too.

Lesson one. How to spell "Ouija'.

Taqi? Did you have to look it up to spell it right? I'd have to.

408 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #379 Skembo

If you hate the hysterical nature of the argument, quit detracting from it by being specifically semantic or illogical.

409 Emerald  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:59:28am

re: #379 Skembo

You admit you are ignorant of the basic facts of the argument, but you expect your opinion to have any weight based on what? Wishful thinking?

There is no credible scientific dissent about evolution. None at all. The only people who spout this nonsense are fools or liars.

410 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.

But if you don't take the time to know what it is you're talking about, how can you be so sure you're not promoting stupidity or creationism?

411 pingjockey  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:10am

BBL!

412 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.

If you don't care and haven't taken the time to learn, why are you talking about "holes in evolutionary theory" and "scientists who don't agree" with evolution?

413 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:43am

re: #225 Timbre

"The Constitution protects you?" Do realize how many millions of people believe the Second Amendment refers only to the organized military, or is outdated and should be dropped? We protect ourselves!

Did you miss the most recent SC decision cleared up that issue ? You have a right to keep and bear arm irregardless of the militia. Chill, your guns are safe.

414 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it.


Then your commenting on the topic is irresponsible.

415 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #412 Charles

If you don't care and haven't taken the time to learn, why are you talking about "holes in evolutionary theory" and "scientists who don't agree" with evolution?

talking points

416 Nevergiveup  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:00:58am

re: #404 abaleh

I hope the zookeepers are well fed.

That's true!

417 Spar Kling  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #33 zombie

To be frank, the recent outbreak of mass shooting spans the ideological, ethnic and interpersonal spectrum.

One was a cop-hating criminal (Oakland)
One was an embittered immigrant (Binghamton)
One was a Stormfront nutjob (Pittsburgh)
One had personal psychological issues (Washington State)
...etc.

They may all be influencing each other, but the outbreak seems to be independent of ideology. The message is simply: Whatever your psychosis, express it by massacring everyone in the vicinity!

What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

re: #33 zombie

To be frank, the recent outbreak of mass shooting spans the ideological, ethnic and interpersonal spectrum.

One was a cop-hating criminal (Oakland)
One was an embittered immigrant (Binghamton)
One was a Stormfront nutjob (Pittsburgh)
One had personal psychological issues (Washington State)
...etc.

They may all be influencing each other, but the outbreak seems to be independent of ideology. The message is simply: Whatever your psychosis, express it by massacring everyone in the vicinity!

What really feeds this is our country's worship of fame, regardless of the reasons for the fame. I call this the "Ma, look, I'm on TV! syndrome" (as the loser is led away in handcuffs).

Good observation. I wonder whether their motivations weren't more of a desperate desire to communicate their frustration. No one seems to be listening, so they forcibly make themselves and their circumstances known.

The national stage is overcrowded with a variety of messages and agendas, so perhaps the solution is to facilitate more local/community interaction and try to reduce obsessive focus on national politics. I realize that this is not going to happen, that national causes and personalities have a strong incentive to expand and radicalize their supporters, so it seems like the some (new?) type of internet expression might be a better national forum.

-sk

418 abaleh  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #410 Sharmuta

But if you don't take the time to know what it is you're talking about, how can you be so sure you're not promoting stupidity or creationism?

There's a difference between the two?

/

419 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:08am

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL! No, I remembered it from the Milton Bradley game (or was it Parker Bros?) Who the hell at a kids boardgame company thought that was a good idea? Hey kids, get in contact with the spirits! Yikes.

420 NYCHardhat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:16am

re: #38 MarkX

I'm always amazed by how the far-left & far-right are so much in common.

They end up meeting in the middle.

421 Skembo  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:37am

re: #409 Emerald

Man, all anyone has to say on this board to pull you guys completely off subject is to mention ID. Does anyone remember where this started? I wasn't trying to get into a debate about this.

Later all.

422 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:43am

re: #320 Skembo

The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.

That's more than a disclaimer. Pare it way down to just that some people don't believe it, or you invite the need to explain that those who don't "believe in evolution" are talkng about beliefs and not science, and are, for whatever their motivations, good or bad, self-imposed ignoramsuses and pretty much to be pitied.

There is nothing in evolution that needs to deny that God created the world, but I ask anybody who raises the issue, to spend a few minutes talking about the rest of the solar system, galaxy, and billions of other galaxies, involved.

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:01:48am

re: #27 Pastorius

Well, that kind of fleshes out that story a bit, doesn't it?

Story shouldn't have gotten much play in the first place.

Individual crimes perpetrated by lunatics are not worthy of our attention. We have a Jihad, an Obama, and other LARGE issues to concern ourselves with.

Three cops dead is a big story. The day it isn't, we have real problems.

424 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:02:21am

Only on LGF could a nazi thread turn to evolution. I love it.

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:02:25am

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.

Incredible. You don't care enough about the arguments to....

Yet you ASSUME that our side is rigidly stupid, without having studied the arguments.

Exactly what is rigid stupidity?

426 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:02:35am

A Latter Day Troll. Who'da thunk it.

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #29 The Other Les

Running the world is the LAST thing the Amish would want to do.

Which is a pity. Aside from their irrational phobias about buttons, they seem very levelheaded.

/about the buttons, not the levelheadedness

428 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #403 Tanna

They get wrapped up in their fears and wear them like shrouds, both left and right. Their emotionality and fears makes them lose all perspective and rationality.
All that AntiChrist talk and paranoia makes people victims, they start to think that there's this overpowering force that is sweeping over them, and forgetting that it's just a man that can be voted out of office.

Well said.

429 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:19am

re: #244 Skembo

C'mon, you can't actually think that these things are linked. Sure they are all things that you hold in disdain, but it is silly to throw in that he is a fan of these nut-cases... and a creationist!

I'm a believer in intelligent design, but that doesn't mean I know the method that God used. Let's try to stick on point.

I used to listen to Glenn, and enjoyed his radio show, but ever since the primaries he has gone off the deep end. When people start to associate themselves with the likes of Alex Jones (another Paulian) you know there is a disconnect with reality.

Mike

I believe that's where it started, Kembo.

430 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:23am

re: #421 Skembo

Man, all anyone has to say on this board to pull you guys completely off subject is to mention ID. Does anyone remember where this started? I wasn't trying to get into a debate about this.

The thread is about conspiracy nuts.

431 Caton  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:32am

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

Three cops dead is a big story. The day it isn't, we have real problems.

No, it's not a big story. Yes, we have real problems.

432 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #406 Skembo

How can you make an argument against rigid stupidity by advocating the challenge of evolution for the sake of challenging evolution, or be advocating the teaching or offering of creationism as an alternate to evolution?

Which is it before I point out the stupidity of either?

433 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #425 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Incredible. You don't care enough about the arguments to....

Yet you ASSUME that our side is rigidly stupid, without having studied the arguments.

Exactly what is rigid stupidity?

um, a moon bat with a bottle of Viagra?

/S

434 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:03:41am

re: #424 Sharmuta

Only on LGF could a nazi thread turn to evolution. I love it.

LOL!

435 itellu3times  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:04:06am

re: #424 Sharmuta

Only on LGF could a nazi thread turn to evolution. I love it.

Jonathan Goldberg does the same thing.

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:04:07am

re: #419 Taqiyyotomist

Really, think about it.

Ouija- French Yes? - Minnesota Yes?

The name of the game is yesyes?

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:05:01am

re: #424 Sharmuta

Only on LGF could a nazi thread turn to evolution. I love it.

"Creationist Nazis. I hate Creationist Nazis."

438 Sharmuta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:05:06am

Fun Break! Rapping Flight Attendant:

439 x-wing  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:05:10am

re: #413 avanti

Did you miss the most recent SC decision cleared up that issue ? You have a right to keep and bear arm irregardless of the militia. Chill, your guns are safe.

And that was a 5-4 decision. Yea, let's not worry dude.

*rolls eyes*

440 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:05:49am

Ouija&trade is one of those things, you look at the whole lineup of Milton Bradley games, and think..."One of these things is not like the others..."

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:05:50am

re: #430 itellu3times

The thread is about conspiracy nuts.

I think someone wanted to turn this into a thread about evolution.

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #60 reine.de.tout

It goes on to warn about the "social chaos" that is about to descend upon our country, and then, of course, asks that you buy the "guide" to making it through, with topics such as: Smart Hoarding of food and fuel; and Life-Saving Basics - Make Your Own Antibiotic Alternatives At Home.

Dare I ask what the hell an 'antibiotic alternative' made at home is made out OF?

443 Killian Bundy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:06:40am

Mecca mosques 'wrongly aligned'

Some 200 mosques in Islam's holiest city, Mecca, point the wrong way for prayers, reports from Saudi Arabia say.

All mosques have a niche showing the direction of the most sacred Islamic site, the Kaaba, an ancient cube-like building in Mecca's Grand Mosque.

But people looking down from recently built high-rises in Mecca found the niches in many older mosques were not pointing directly towards the Kaaba.

Some worshippers are said to be anxious about the validity of their prayers.

/OH NOES!

444 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #342 Skembo

Just because scientists disagree about certain aspects of how evolution occurs doesn't discredit the theory of evolution in its entirety.

445 bill-tb  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:06:58am

This line of reasoning makes about as much sense as Barrack "the naive one" Obama saying a retaliatory strike with his teleprompter is going to bring NK to heel ... Oh wait, OK, did I just pee on my own shoe here from laughing?

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:10am

re: #66 pingjockey

What strikes me is how fast the ID of this maniac got out and how slow the ID of the Binghampton shooter took to get out.

He was probably already on the radar.

447 WhiteRasta  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:14am

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

Stale bread with mould on it? That'll cure your Syphilis....

448 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #413 avanti

Did you miss the most recent SC decision cleared up that issue ? You have a right to keep and bear arm irregardless of the militia. Chill, your guns are safe.

The SCOTUS ruling on Heller squeaked by 5-4. Not exactly "chill" territory for me, especially with Holder as the Atty General and the snowballing anti-gun sentiment.

449 Montaigne's Cat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:46am

KDKA Radio online is having 4 hours about this right now.

450 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:47am

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

Dare I ask what the hell an 'antibiotic alternative' made at home is made out OF?

I heard stories about moonshine being strong enough to strip paint.
Would that work?

451 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #402 Killgore Trout

As long as you know what you're getting into I won't try to dissuade you.

My eyes are wide open. I'm curious to see how much influence the Rockwellians and Paulians really have over this. My guess at this point is that it varies by region, and that in areas where mainstream conservatism is strong, that influence is less.

The official Tea Party page doesn't show any links to them, or at least anyone I can readily identify, as partners. I see TopConservativesOnTwitter, which is heavily backed by Hugh Hewitt, hardly a Paulian. I see Michelle Malkin, GOPUSA, Newt Gingrich's American Solutions, etc, etc.

452 Spar Kling  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:08am

re: #132 taxfreekiller

To many of these kooks around.

To many of the other type of kooks around.

Kooks who drink one brand or the other brand of Kook Kool Aid have way to much influence on America.

Islam is not the only thing that breeds kooks.

When the Trans Texas Corridor debate was going on and they had public hearings on it, in the parking lots some of the stormfront type kooks were handing out little nutty flyer's about the great take over of our food supply and one world govt. . If your like me and like to challenge them with a few questions, you get the sense real quick reason and truth are absent therein.

I have been up against both sides of it if you will, back when the Earth First Terrorist took over much of Greenpeace and the Sierra Club and other environmental associations, they too are just 100% kooks and reason and truth is not allowed.

So, if you were in charge, would you favor taking away the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, possession of firearms from kooks?

-sk

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:09am

re: #443 Killian Bundy

Gosh, if Allah is that dang strict, then I choose not to worship him.

454 subsailor68  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:41am

re: #439 x-wing

And that was a 5-4 decision. Yea, let's not worry dude.

*rolls eyes*

It's also interesting to me that if "chill, your guns are safe" was a true statement, there wouldn't have been a need for D.C. v Heller. It was the very fact that the right was being abridged in the District that led to the case. And you're right - if the makeup of a court changes, decisions can be overturned.

455 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:41am

re: #421 Skembo

Nice try but that's the 1,234th time that BS line has been used. Saying the things you've said is what the problem is.

You're dishonest debate and Swiss cheese logic is the problem. It's all everybody else' fault, not yours. Riight.

456 pink freud  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:42am

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

SFZ, did you get my email?

457 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:08:49am

Very confused here.I support the Tea Party premise of PEACEABLE protest regarding tax policies,etc.
I despise the co-opting by Stormfront, Ron Paul and others of this movement wholeheartedly.
To me, there is a parallel between this and the Vlaams Belang situation. I applaud the justifiable outrage expressed here at this site, and basically understand why.
I'm quite perplexed that what I see is ridicule of the Tea Party instead of the same exposure of their co-opters that was shown so well in the former.
Am I missing something here? I'm serious with the question, not merely stirring water.

458 DaddyG  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:00am

re: #320 Skembo

Don't be stupid.

re: #291 Charles

I understand that you believe that all of those things fall in the same nutter catagory, but throwing the together as on mass of nuttery is not helpful. It would be more constructive to attack them as different entities.

I am a very religious Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), OK decide for yourself if you think I'm Christian I'm not going to argue with you. I am appalled by both sides of the creationist/evolution debate. The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.

Mike

As an active Latter-day Saint I respectfully disagree. Teach science in science class and beliefs about creation at home, Sunday school and seminary. I have no trouble with my kids reconciling the two and understanding scientific proof and theory. We are not a hard creationist church any way and our beliefs do not agree with the scriptural literalists (whatever that means) who seek to push their agenda in the schools. The creationists Charles blogs about are hard core and would just as soon trash your childrens belief system as not Christian enough as anyone.

I shudder to think what they will be forced to learn when introducing matters of faith to the classroom (other than exploring them from a philosophical, history or literature issues). Enough crap gets taught about the Mormons that isn't very flattering or accurate. I hear from too many religious fundamentalists how my kids are going to hell or aren't Christian. I've never had that problem with a science teacher in a discussion about the ascent of Homo Sapiens.

459 jcm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #413 avanti

Did you miss the most recent SC decision cleared up that issue ? You have a right to keep and bear arm irregardless of the militia. Chill, your guns are safe.

AWB?
Exorbitant taxes?
The OSHA re-class of ammo to make home ammo storage?
etc....

460 pegcity  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:13am

re: #443 Killian Bundy

they better bulldoze all of em and start again

461 Dustyvet  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:28am

re: #443 Killian Bundy

Mecca mosques 'wrongly aligned'

/OH NOES!

Heads are going to roll...

/S

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:35am

re: #84 Colonel Panik

There are plenty of places in the world where people could do a lot of good if they wanted to go down guns blazing. There are a lot of jihadists wasting oxygen and destroying lives in too many corners of the globe. But dying a lonely death in the Sudanese desert fighting the Janjaweed won't get you on the 6 O'Clock news.

The desire is for fame and attention, not to do some good with one's death.

463 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:46am
464 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:09:46am

OPEN OPEN OPEN

THAT WAY THAT WAY THAT WAY

>

465 jaunte  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:10:18am

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

I did a little looking around, and there are people talking about 'silver water' as an antibiotic alternative. You can tell their mindset by this closing message:

Because when it comes down to it, and this system is fully in place, we will be nothing but cattle in a feed lot to the New World Order.
466 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:10:33am

re: #398 x-wing

I was already corrected on the vote, he only supports a total gun ban. Seems your guy aint keen on voting. Anyhow,as Mandy already asked. If he's not out to take our guns, please explain AG Holder.

I don't Charles link showed a total ban either, but apparently you have another link to post showing a personal support for a total gun ban. That is not a small deal to many, please post the link.
As long as some keep beating the myth that BHO even wants to, or could ban your guns, many on the right will be fearful.

467 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:10:45am

re: #450 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh I have heard of this. They use Silver water.
You an make it by electrocuting bars of silver in water.
It will turn you blue.

468 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:11:16am

*sniff*
... GAZE #2 engaged

469 Colonel Panik  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #467 Jimash

Oh I have heard of this. They use Silver water.
You an make it by electrocuting bars of silver in water.
It will turn you blue.

That explains those guys in Vegas!

470 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:12:05am

re: #457 irongrampa

Very confused here.I support the Tea Party premise of PEACEABLE protest regarding tax policies,etc.
I despise the co-opting by Stormfront, Ron Paul and others of this movement wholeheartedly.
To me, there is a parallel between this and the Vlaams Belang situation. I applaud the justifiable outrage expressed here at this site, and basically understand why.
I'm quite perplexed that what I see is ridicule of the Tea Party instead of the same exposure of their co-opters that was shown so well in the former.
Am I missing something here? I'm serious with the question, not merely stirring water.

That's one of the right's big problems. Most people on the right work, have families, and responsibilities -- the passion for politics is there, but they aren't going to show up for demonstrations like the left does. So the ones who are overly passionate about single issues are the ones you get, and as long as the right lets the loud and loony rabble be their face they are going to keep losing elections.

471 NY Nana  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:13:15am

Drive by post....

Now I find out that the Jews don't control the world?!?!?!?!?!?!

/That would explain why there aren't about 30 servants here doing all the work getting ready for Passover....except for youngest son doing what he calls 'indentured servitutde'.

BBL...

472 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:13:24am

re: #463 bill-tb

Careful there.

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:13:33am

re: #135 Idle Drifter

Yup, I remember the video with that asshole screaming relentlessly at Michelle Malkin with some Anarchist chanting "Kill Michelle Malkin" just off camera at the DNC. Michelle was, I believe, videoing a group of hippies trying to levitate a building.

That sounds like one hell of a party. I'm glad Michelle is OK, I do not agree with a lot of her political perspective but she seems like a nice woman.

Uh...why were the hippies trying to levitate the building? Or is that part even important?

474 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:15:09am

re: #213 rightymouse

He sounds paranoid and delusional.

It also said he lost his job, similar to the criminal in the NY shootings. We haven't had this level of job loss since probably 1981. Perhaps there is now a generation of Americans where these major job loses are the first large negative setbacks of their lives, making them feel helpless and like life is out of control.

They don't know what to do, are lacking in resilience, so they go searching. There is almost no positive news, and they end up latching onto some horrible stuff. The fringes of both left and right do not appear to be letting this crisis go to waste, and are going after the many potential recruits recently made available.

Permanent government intervention recruits form up on the left, government hatred and overthrow recruits line up on the right, rational independent government supporters in the middle duck and cover.

475 Jimash  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #469 Colonel Panik

"That explains those guys in Vegas!"

This guy should try to join them !

476 Fearless Fred  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #320 Skembo

The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.
Mike

1. the act of disclaiming; the renouncing, repudiating, or denying of a claim; disavowal.
2. a person who disclaims.
3. a statement, document, or assertion that disclaims responsibility, affiliation, etc.; disavowal; denial.

Skembo -- there's no way you're gonna get a public school system to go for the first, or the third definition (above) of a disclaimer. Maybe though, if you're devoted enough, you could stand out on the corner and shout your message to the school children as they pass by on there way to classes.

Do you really believe that schools will ever actually denounce, or "disclaim" the only science available on the matter? And, how is it that reason - science - so threatens faith -- your faith? I'm Christian ... I'm a believer, and don't at all feel threatened by science. Why do you?

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #162 rightymouse

This doesn't say exactly WHEN after 9/11 he joined the military, but the way it's written can be misconstrued as occurring when he was 14.

Joined the military, missed his girlfriend, so he threw a lunch tray at an instructor so he could go home.

Why do I have a feeling this one was not long for the military anyway?

478 Spar Kling  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:16:38am

re: #167 right_wing2

Found the Reagan comment!

Ronald Reagan came to the Student Union (1965; UCLA), and he said there’s no such thing as left or right; he said that’s the wrong way to look at it. A political spectrum should be up and down, up towards freedom, down towards tyranny. Communism and Nazism are down at the same end of the spectrum of tyranny and totalitarianism.

This view and Reagan quote appeals to the libertarian in me very much. The problem is--and this is where I struggle politically--is how do you address social issues? For example, should marriage be legalized between any consenting adults: of any gender, of any age, of any number, of any relation (should you be able to marry your mother to convey insurance benefits)?

-sk

479 debutaunt  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:17:55am

re: #438 Sharmuta

Fun Break! Rapping Flight Attendant:



SWA used to be PSA and the fun attitude has continued. One time (with the Stanford Band on board, IIRC), they started to chant on the takeoff: "Thrust - thrust - thrust...

480 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #473 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds like one hell of a party. I'm glad Michelle is OK, I do not agree with a lot of her political perspective but she seems like a nice woman.

Uh...why were the hippies trying to levitate the building? Or is that part even important?

The crazy people were trying to levitate the US Mint at the time. Just some silly stunt Michelle was video taping when Alex Jones cranked up the nut amps to 11.

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #165 jcm

Near Orting.

5 children found dead near Orting

Ah, hell. God be good to them.

482 avanti  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:19:36am

re: #448 pink freud

The SCOTUS ruling on Heller squeaked by 5-4. Not exactly "chill" territory for me, especially with Holder as the Atty General and the snowballing anti-gun sentiment.

Ok, I still don't get the rush to stock up. There are not likely to be any conservative opening on the Court for a decade or more, but let's assume one comes up. You'll still have a few years to worry about the possibility of overturning the ruling.

483 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #479 debutaunt

SWA used to be PSA and the fun attitude has continued. One time (with the Stanford Band on board, IIRC), they started to chant on the takeoff: "Thrust - thrust - thrust...

And as the plane was rolling down the runway, they yelled ...
... "We're not there jet!"

/duck and run

484 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #20 Opinionated

We were recently foreclosed on and transfered control to the Amish.

Madoff you bastard.

Oh, so that's what the big meeting in Brooklyn was all about.

/tourists my tuchis

485 LGoPs  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:22:25am

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

Dare I ask what the hell an 'antibiotic alternative' made at home is made out OF?

Moldy bread?
/

486 mad mullah  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:24:24am

Every once in a blue moon I visit stormfront to see what the crazies and racists are talking and ranting about, for the same reasons that I visit certain liberal forums. I like to know what people who are a threat to me are thinking. I'm not the least bit surprised that one of stormfront's members turns out to be a cop killer. I didn't find stormfront to be that different from certain liberal forums that I have visited. They both talk about and believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories, they both hate jews, though stormfront members also hates black people in a crude KKK sort of way. I found that the support for Islamic extremists was higher on liberal forums than on stormfront, though there are certainly some supporters there also.

If certain media are to blame for having outrageous segments that could push certain people over the edge then I believe that the POTUS has more responsibility and is more to blame than merely a reporter, because the message from the POTUS hasn't exactly been rosy in my opinion. That is quite ironic for a person who ran on "Hope" and "Change". "Doom" and "Gloom" seems to be more appropriate.

487 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #470 Thanos

That's just my point. The people gathering for these protests are in no way similar to the leftwits who protest. Can't be equating them. I suggest that you Google Tea Party, and check the scope of the assembly sites shown. I doubt these radicals can infiltrate each of them, but you can be sure the MSM will conflate them.

488 irongrampa  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:27:37am

Jumping to the new thread.

489 Macker  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #313 Sharmuta

...and don't forget Saintly!

490 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:30:51am
491 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

I'm conservative and was with cops and MA's all weekend with guns and nobody shot anyone?

You must be a secret liberal.

//////////

492 Fearless Fred  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:32:13am

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.


But isn't a fear of your faith being attacked - threatened - causing you to take that stand against those too "rigid" in their stand against your (and my) faith?

Do you really believe calling people "rigidly stupid" will get them to accept your literal following and understanding of scripture? Do you "not care enough" about "arguments", or do you "not care enough" about reason, to invest your time into learning about whatever is so threatening you?

493 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:34:30am

re: #244 Skembo

They could be linked, though perhaps indirectly, they could be viewed as supportive of radical beliefs. Much like the leftist press providing their "sympathy" to the motives of radical leftist cop killers. Sympathy provided to radical militant thoughts, left or right, can be viewed as at least a partial endorsement.

494 [deleted]  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:40:00am
495 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #431 Caton

I do not believe the amount of coverage is inappropriate.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:45:19am

re: #443 Killian Bundy

Mecca mosques 'wrongly aligned'


/OH NOES!

There's a guy who has a company selling Jews special compasses that always point to Jerusalem.

People get hung up on this stuff.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:47:18am

re: #450 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I heard stories about moonshine being strong enough to strip paint.
Would that work?

No, but it might work as an antiseptic. Or an analgesic.

498 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:49:54am

re: #306 avanti

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

It reads like an argument stating if someone "hates" his policies it is perfectly ok to assume the same person "hates" the man, and that "hating" the man means big trouble. A slippery slope in support of the premise that hating Obama's policies means the person is a radical intent on big trouble.

A nice combo of flawed logic with an emotional ploy; but the brush will be just too heavy to be effective in painting everyone who "hates" his policies.

499 Wendya  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:50:49am

re: #470 Thanos

as long as the right lets the loud and loony rabble be their face they are going to keep losing elections.

There's not much we can do to prevent the left from painting us in that way. It's not like the media is going to be even remotely honest. What we can do is not get overly defensive and kneejerk our way to the left in our haste to get away from a dishonest image.

500 formercorpsman  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:52:53am

re: #60 reine.de.tout

Make your own aflatoxin.

Yeah!

501 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 11:55:27am

re: #325 avanti

Please provide a link that shows anyone has a the slightest chance of taking your guns away. the Supreme Court just ruled on your rights, stock up at will.

Big difference between intent and chance. Chances can change, his intent has not. All he apparently needs is a big enough crisis to provide him a chance, and is intent is to make radical changes in how our government governs us and restricts our rights.

502 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:02:15pm

re: #346 Sharmuta

Name a hole in evolutionary theory.

There are some "holes" of a sort, and all of them stack up against evolutionary theory, they just happen to be people...

503 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #499 Wendya

There's not much we can do to prevent the left from painting us in that way. It's not like the media is going to be even remotely honest. What we can do is not get overly defensive and kneejerk our way to the left in our haste to get away from a dishonest image.

There's a lot we can do. We can start by putting forth some serious pundits across the media, and some serious candidates. The rabble becomes irrelevant like code pink does to the left if you have a message strategy and direction and responsible adults carrying the banner.

504 teleskiguy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:06:53pm

re: #24 Charles

Yesterday I turned on the TV and Glenn Beck was on, with a huge backdrop showing Nazi film clips interspersed with clips of Barack Obama. This guy is way out of control.


I watch Glenn Beck when I'm done with classes, it airs at 3 PM in Colorado. I watch purely for the entertainment, not to be informed. I come to LGF to get informed! Glenn Beck is like a bad car accident, you have to slow down to get a good look. I agree with you Charles, Fox News is becoming a disgrace that has no room for thoughtful analysis anymore. I hate to cite one Andy Sullivan in this matter (I know how much he's reviled in these parts, but please bear with me) but he put up a blog post this morning discussing this very issue of right-wing zealotry gone amok. I fear the Glenn Beck's and Alex Jones's will not tone down thier inflammatory rhetoric and we might see more violence on the order of what we saw in Pittsburgh yesterday. People on the right-wing are pissed, and it's starting to boil over little by little.

505 Wendya  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:09:21pm

re: #306 avanti

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

Oh, please. I don't seem to recall you bitching about the left's unprecedented level of hatred towards Bush.

And as for calling Obama a communist, I WILL point out Obama policies that are Marxist. I will not play "let's pretend everything's cool" when he steps outside the constitution. I will not be beat down by leftist whining.

506 Wendya  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:17:19pm

re: #503 Thanos

There's a lot we can do. We can start by putting forth some serious pundits across the media, and some serious candidates. The rabble becomes irrelevant like code pink does to the left if you have a message strategy and direction and responsible adults carrying the banner.

The problem is, we allow the left to define who is and is not a "serious pundit or candidate. We don't stand up for our own when they are unfairly maligned.

507 teleskiguy  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:18:07pm

Wow! I arrived to comment on this really late! Went from neo-nazi far-right extremism seeping into mass media to...evolution? Only at LGF.

"You ever notice that people who don't believe in evolution look really unevolved?" -Bill Hicks

508 horse  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #413 avanti

Did you miss the most recent SC decision cleared up that issue ? You have a right to keep and bear arm irregardless of the militia. Chill, your guns are safe.

Our gun ownerships may be safe, but as you must be aware, there are major efforts and intents to curtail our ability to use them.

509 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:20:35pm

re: #120 avanti

Yep, and he and Fox drive the more moderate citizens to stock up on guns and ammo to protect against the Obama brown shirts.
There is some real hatred of Obama in certain segments of the population, and there is money to be made by inflaming it. The more popular Obama becomes with one segment, the more isolated and fearful the minority appears, and ripe for exploitation.

The second a film is made to portray the assassination of Obama, that will be my cue to know that something is fundamentally flawed, and that both sides have reached the point of no return.

Keep the middle of the lane folks...

510 baldeagle  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:36:46pm

Maybe I missed it somewhere,,,but I thought that this whole incident was kicked off by a 911 domestic call. The guy may have had some mental problems but as usual it is the the fault of those right wing wackos[like left wing wackos are not as screwed up].

511 Zimriel  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:48:09pm

re: #509 Oh no...Sand People!

The second a film is made to portray the assassination of Obama, that will be my cue to know that something is fundamentally flawed, and that both sides have reached the point of no return.

Keep the middle of the lane folks...

No, that'll be our cue to know that the "creative class" has turned against Obama, and a cue more specific to Obama to take a midnight flight to some Latin American hideaway. But it won't happen.

What's much more likely on the Right (on the agitprop side) is for a quickie viral video to make the rounds of various sites.

As for this case: we have here an outbreak of Sudden Wolverine Syndrome, with a nod to "sudden jihad syndrome" and that oft-cited Swayze movie. There's more on its way. It scares the shit out of me.

512 Obsidiandog  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #3 zombie

The guns were to protect him from the government, not criminals. The idea being when the authorities come for your guns you resist and make it too expensive for them to confiscate them. Then, if every gun owner does this you eventually run out of authorities before you run out of guns.

That's the theory anyway. I don't endorse it, but this shitbird obviously believed it.

513 mikalm  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 12:50:30pm

re: #474 horse

Horse, I noticed a similar phenomena here in the Bay Area when the dotcom bubble burst. The region was filled with these young people with liberal-arts degrees making $100K or more right out of college as "content providers" or somesuch. When the good times ended around early 2001, they were in a state of shock, since they had never known any other kind of career/job life, and desperately needed someone or something to blame. President Bush won the scapegoat award almost by default, and as a result I got to have a front seat at the BDS Theater here.

I'm afraid that any further economic downturn might produce the same scenario with 0bama, albeit on a national level.

514 Zimriel  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:04:34pm

re: #452 Spar Kling

So, if you were in charge, would you favor taking away the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, possession of firearms from kooks?

-sk

This is Giuliani's position; that you have to prove your competence to a state authority before you can possess a firearm. Needless to say I do not respect Giuliani as a political thinker. He is in any case a prosecutor by trade, not a judicial scholar; he can follow orders, but I don't want him near any place where he can interpret the law.

My position is that of the First Amendment; that the state has to prove your INcompetence (e.g. "kook") before it can restrict your rights. In that respect I am fine with gun stores running background checks, to make sure there isn't an outstanding warrant or else a court having declared you insane.

This is a legitimate question, and I wouldn't have downdinged you, except for that you implicitly misrepresented tfk's comment.

515 hazzyday  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:12:28pm

These MSM heads are our Imans inciting random sudden jihadis

Iman Beck.
Iman Oreilly.
Iman Jones.

Except money and fame are the rewards. They have the wrong approach to difficult times and also to mass shootings.

516 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #467 Jimash

Oh I have heard of this. They use Silver water.
You an make it by electrocuting bars of silver in water.
It will turn you blue.

I used pictures of one of these guys and the story about him when I taught Jr. High science. I told the kids that one reason to learn science is so you won't get hooked by crazy altie-med folks.

517 grahamski  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:17:12pm

This fool was paranoid about the ZERO taking his guns, so he commits this crime and gives the ZERO a reason to take all of our guns....Brilliant.

518 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #485 LGoPs

Moldy bread?
/

actually, perhaps

unless you're allergic to penicillin like I am

519 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #319 horse

I agree with those who have already posted above; Cavuto should not be giving credibility to a person with Ron Paul's negatives. I have avoided reading or listening to Paul due to his negatives.

I must say that listening to him speak with Cavuto he made sense and was rational (in that clip only); if I didn't know his negatives I would have formed a favorable opinion of him. This actually makes it doubly disappointing Cavuto gives him the air time so Paul can connect with a populace who may not know his unacceptable negatives.

This only serves to associate rational conservative/libertarian talking points regarding fiscal discipline with the dangerous fringes and is most unhelpful. Some rational letters expressing the basis for disappointment need to be written to Cavuto so he doesn't (or his producers don't) make the mistake again.

Excellent point. I don't watch Fox News, but I guess they don't need to know that.

Is Realwest around? He writes kinda purty :-)

520 Protagonist  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:21:13pm

A guy with the last name "Poplawski" frequenting neo-nazi groups and websites?

Remind me again what racial/ethnic group that surname belongs to, and what the Nazis thought of them?

521 Emerald  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:28:27pm

re: #520 Protagonist

A guy with the last name "Poplawski" frequenting neo-nazi groups and websites?

Remind me again what racial/ethnic group that surname belongs to, and what the Nazis thought of them?

The people drawn toward neo-nazi and other hate groups aren't the brightest or most educated folk. And the groups need members; probably the only requirement to join is white skin and a black soul.

522 hazzyday  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #320 Skembo

You're uniformed about what ID is.

523 Claire  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:42:24pm

Haven't watched any of Glen Beck on Fox yet. Guess I'm going to have to tune in just to see for myself.

524 grahamski  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:46:04pm

re: #306 avanti

I agree, but hatred of policies can become hatred of the man, then that leads to name calling and encourages piling on to make a buck by Fox entertainers to feed the hatred.
There is a difference about hating policies and hating the person. Again, calling Obama's policies liberal or even socialistic is one thing, calling him a Commie is another. There are a lot of citizens that rightly hate Commies, convince a few that are POTUS is one, and we might have big trouble.

And the lefties never called Bush names?....

Please!

525 hazzyday  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:47:09pm

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

There is no scientific theory that God created the earth 10,000 years ago. If you want to move faith into science classrooms as a blocking force to atheism, then everything of faith needs to have science applied to it. Atheists are going to argue with you. Your mass of creationist will have to consider things like whether the virgin birth really happened or not.

There are better ways to go about representing a religion to other people.

526 Sunlight  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:48:19pm

re: #503 Thanos

There's a lot we can do. We can start by putting forth some serious pundits across the media, and some serious candidates. The rabble becomes irrelevant like code pink does to the left if you have a message strategy and direction and responsible adults carrying the banner.

The established media seem not willing to let non-agreeing folks speak (see what keeps happening at CNBC). Therefore, my thought is to keep supporting PJTV. Make it more and more professional, in a way that people used to watching MSM will settle in to listen to PJTV interviews and reports. I keep wishing someone like Brit Hume would take PJTV under his wing and bring it along. The other "serious" people at Fox have migrated to a sort of creepy place... unfortunately.

527 hazzyday  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 1:54:39pm

A loser.
No different than Alex Jones.
Achieved the fame he wanted.

528 uncle_walter87  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 2:03:28pm

So how will the administration react to this?
They can't exactly denigrate his gun ownership because he had hatred of the Jooooooos.

529 Zimriel  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 2:05:44pm

re: #514 Zimriel

This is Giuliani's position; that you have to prove your competence to a state authority before you can possess a firearm. Needless to say I do not respect Giuliani as a political thinker. He is in any case a prosecutor by trade, not a judicial scholar; he can follow orders, but I don't want him near any place where he can interpret the law.

[then a thundering downding from funky, and ringing in my ears]

Uh, funky? What was wrong with the above? (I assume it's the above...) I know Rudy is popular in LGF; but the fact remains he believes that the right to bear arms is a right to apply for a permit to bear arms, which is not the same thing.

530 jester6  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Geithner May Oust Boards at Banks Needing ‘Exceptional’ Aid

Ironic that this shows up on a thread where we are debating whether a Glenn Beck's use of Nazi images were over the top. Only a kook would think Obama is moving us to fascism right?

The Final Solution was implemented at least a dozen years after Germany, started its headlong rush to fascism. I wish people would learn that the Nazis were a little more complex than goose step thugs marching people into gas chambers.

531 JustMyView  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 2:15:00pm

re: #520 Protagonist

A guy with the last name "Poplawski" frequenting neo-nazi groups and websites?

Remind me again what racial/ethnic group that surname belongs to, and what the Nazis thought of them?

Polish anti-Semitism is not exactly unheard of.

532 HDrepub  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 4:55:38pm

re: #517 grahamski

This fool was paranoid about the ZERO taking his guns, so he commits this crime and gives the ZERO a reason to take all of our guns....Brilliant.

Yes my thoughts exactly. Thanks a lot Poplawski, asshole.

533 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #525 hazzyday

Anything you want to consider? With scientific theory, there is The Big Bang.
All the things in the universe did not exist till it gets fired out of a cannon, but the cannon did not exists. For some reason, nothing existed. With scientific theory everything came from nothing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
(not picking on you. Just want to make it funny)

534 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #521 Emerald

I assume you mean the soal is black, as in evil? Not racist? Just want to make it clear with moonbats reading this.

535 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:20:07pm

re: #504 teleskiguy

The major media, from Time magazine, to the New York Times, Washington Post, to Hollywood movies and TV shows, to ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc, etc. And you guys think Fox News is bad? There is a many naive lizards here. Do many of you realize how bad it has become and how it even got here? I am talking to you, Charles, also.
I have said before, I have tacken only 6 months off when I have not been able to even watch the TV or hear the radio, or read the newpaper. And this crap has gotten this bad? It boggles my mind.

536 Salamantis  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:32:30pm

re: #320 Skembo

Don't be stupid.

re: #291 Charles

I understand that you believe that all of those things fall in the same nutter catagory, but throwing the together as on mass of nuttery is not helpful. It would be more constructive to attack them as different entities.

I am a very religious Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), OK decide for yourself if you think I'm Christian I'm not going to argue with you. I am appalled by both sides of the creationist/evolution debate. The only thing that I have ever asked for is a disclaimer. Let the students know that these theories are not universal accepted, and that I large segment of society (a majority actually) believes that God created the world. I don't want them to go into seven days or anything else, just that disclaimer.

Mike

Umm, empirical science is not a matter of a popularity contest among the general population, but a matter of the empirical evidence. And ALL of the empirical evidence supports evolution and NONE of the empirical evidence contradicts it, whilr NONE of the empirical evidence supports creationism/ID, and LOTS of it contradicts the literal reading of Genesis.

537 Zimriel  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:35:12pm

re: #533 hous bin pharteen

Anything you want to consider? With scientific theory, there is The Big Bang.
All the things in the universe did not exist till it gets fired out of a cannon, but the cannon did not exists. For some reason, nothing existed. With scientific theory everything came from nothing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
(not picking on you. Just want to make it funny)

Actually, in scientific theory- specifically, Einstein's - time is a dimension of the universe. The term "before the universe" is a nonsense, like "below absolute zero" or "faster than the speed of light".

538 Salamantis  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #342 Skembo

Ok, take out the disclaimer of religious context, just leave in that there are many scientists who disagree with the specifics of evolution, and point out the holes in the theory.

What say you?

Please reference this. But you can't, because, except for the pseudoscientific shills hired by the Institute for Creation Research, Answers In Genesis, and the Disco Institute, there are no competent bioscientists who dispute the basic tenets of evolutionary theory.

And please point out these purported 'holes in the theory' that many creationists here have claimed exist, but none of them have yet been able to produce.

539 NukeAtomrod  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:46:23pm

I'm from the Pittsburgh area. Those are our cops he killed. Police are heroes around here. We don't go in for any of that anti-police stuff like they do in LA. I hope this guy rots in jail for a very short time and goes directly to Hell afterward.

540 Salamantis  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:46:32pm

re: #379 Skembo

I am sure that he used the laws of science in order to achieve his goals. Although I am also sure that he knows the laws of science a lot better than we do. I don't know specifically about evolution, but it doesn't matter to me. I hate the hysterical nature of the argument. Whenever we exclude something absolutely from a classroom we limit the knowledge that can be gained.

Mike

When we exclude religious dogmas from the public high school science classroom, we do not permit them to be abused for purposes of religious indoctrination, but allow them to perform the purpose for which they were designed - the teaching of empirical science.

When one is taught empirically untrue religious dogmas in public high school science class, one does not gain knowledge, but instead gains theocratically desired misconstruals and misunderstandings. Which is the Disco Institute's intention.

Just because YOU don't know something doesn't mean that others don't know it. Arguments from personal ignorance don't wash here. What I find unacceptable is that these folks don't want OTHER people's kids to learn anything that they perceive as contradicting their pet religious dogmas, and they are eager to abuse the public school system in order to achieve these despicable desires.

541 Salamantis  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:49:31pm

re: #406 Skembo

I don't care enough about the arguments to invest the time in it. I'm making a stand against rigid stupidity, not in favor of creationist.

It is rigidly stupid, not to mention willfully ignorant and theocratically malevolent, to demand that religious dogmas such as creationism/ID be taught in public high school science classes.

Not to mention unconstitutional.

542 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 8:05:42pm

re: #537 Zimriel

I saw that movie! Absolute Zero!


I didn't know it was scientific research!

543 AZDave  Mon, Apr 6, 2009 12:02:13pm
Jews secretly control America

Jeez! There's another memo I didn't get!


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