What's the over/under on how long he talks before apologizing for something?

Is he running for election still or what?

Will he bow? (just in case)

Worth repeating again:

It's the same diplobabble that we've seen from the DC diplomats for a generation. They want a two-state solution, all while ignoring that one of the two sides (the Palestinians) do not want to live alongside Israel, but would rather want it seen destroyed and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

Any diplomatic effort on this front is doomed to failure because the Palestinians will see to it that it fails, but that the blame falls on Israel.

Two wrong do not make a right ...

Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam

do they know that?

Bush is wrong and Obama is wrong and we are never gonna win this WAR until we admit who we are at WAR with.

He struts like one, too.

YAWN

The West is weak.

a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject

Wow... that is a really big Fringe!

Indeed, it is exactly the same type of thing Bush said.

"We are at war with fanatic ideologues who hijack your religion. Join us in the fight for peace and freedom. We need you, the freedom loving and peace seeking Muslims of the world, to help fight for the religious freedom of all people."

Right.

... it's not a syndrom, it's an alergic reaction iItell yah.

re: #8 MandyManners

He struts like one, too.

turkey?

so he just completely bend over and got on his all 4th

My headline

Chief Turkey stalks Turkey in Turkey

No one would be happier than I if the radical Muslims listened to President O and conciliated. But they won't.

We shouldn't criticize 0bama's speeches - he's just saying what the Teleprompter tells him to say.

The Proof

ANKARA (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama told Turkey’s largely Muslim but secular democracy on Monday the United States was not at war with Islam and that it wanted to reinvigorate efforts toward creating a Palestinian state.

To which poor Turks answered, "Um...we're not Palestinians..."

“Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam."

Mighty peculiar statement considering that Islam is at war with us.

"Mutual respect"? I guess I'll start holding my breath.

I just had a mental picture of Obama saying, "Gobble gobble gobble."

It made me giggle.

Or...

"Please unclench your fists. Mine are open, see? Why don't you unclench yours? The bad man is gone now! Unclench your fists! Pleeese..."

I’ll risk getting some more hate mail by pointing out that this is virtually identical to countless speeches made by George W. Bush, who said almost exactly the same words on many occasions. “Religion of peace,” anyone?

I agree and I am glad that so many level headed conservatives criticized Bush when he did this.
They are the only ones who have the right to criticize Obama.

re: #21 Ben Hur

Could have been a problem with the teleprompter not quite knowing how to parse Austrian. /

BBL.

No "Jive Turkey" jokes, please.

re: #12 limeshurbet

Indeed, it is exactly the same type of thing Bush said.

I didn't ever think it was said with a great deal of conviction, and it wasn't pushed, either.

I think it's whatever gets you through the day on this one.

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

re: #28 Ben Hur

BBL.

No "Jive Turkey" jokes, please.

How about Tom Turkey jokes?

Bush said the same things. But Obama really believes it.

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

You mean there are "real" al-jezeera press cards?

Tony Blair gave similar speeches.

re: #29 J.D.

I didn't ever think it was said with a great deal of conviction, and it wasn't pushed, either.

I think it's whatever gets you through the day on this one.

Bush went on TV right after 9/11 and Said " Islam means Peace"

while the smoke was still pouring out of the the WTC

and many of us didn't like it

"Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject," Obama said.

Too bad Obama doesn't seem to realize Islam is at war with the United States.

(Or at least a critical number of them.)

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

How about Tom Turkey jokes?

How about some Wild Turkey shots?

re: #22 CIA Reject Yup! GMTA

re: #37 MrSilverDragon

How about some Wild Turkey shots?

*applause*

re: #4 lawhawk

Worth repeating again:

It's the same diplobabble that we've seen from the DC diplomats for a generation. They want a two-state solution, all while ignoring that one of the two sides (the Palestinians) do not want to live alongside Israel, but would rather want it seen destroyed and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

Any diplomatic effort on this front is doomed to failure because the Palestinians will see to it that it fails, but that the blame falls on Israel.

If you're not going to quote yourself on this topic, I will.

No, the death blow to the peace process is the Arab and Islamic reaction to Israel's existence. They still seek it's destruction and are unwilling to peacefully coexist with Israel. These are not partners for peace. They are proponents of continuing war against Israel until such time as Israel is destroyed.

Palestinian courts call for the death penalty for Palestinians who sell land to Israelis. Hamas celebrates the murder of an Israeli kid at the hands of a Palestinian axe murderer. Hizbullah and Syria and Iran call for Israel to return the Golan Heights or face war.

I'd add that Evelyn Gordon had related observations recently, too.

'Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama'

re: #37 MrSilverDragon

How about some Wild Turkey shots?

Or some shots at wild turkeys? Or both!

O.T. Gates kills the Marine One chopper and the F 22.

I don't need to read LGF to see a defense of 0bama. Is that the new theme here? And I could care less if 0bama is mouthing some of W's speeches. It's actions that matter, and with W, I knew who's side our president was on, and that he would do whatever it took to keep us safe. Not so with 0bama...

He also said: "We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

We will listen carefully, bridge misunderstanding, and seek common ground.

What in Hades are we misunderstanding from this fascist scum and what common ground could there possibly be with them?

Charles:

While I agree, and you know, a longtime reader, you're going to have rename the place "little green caveats". ;-)

BHO needed crip notes to sign the guest book at the masoluem of Ataturk.

Obama, who is left-handed, held notes in his right hand as he signed the guest book.

He wrote:

"I am honored to pay tribute to Mustafa Kamal Ataturk, a man who vision, tenacity and courage put the Republic of Turkey on the path of democracy and whose legacy continues to inspire generations around the world. As the 44th president of the United States of America, I look forward to strengthening relations between the U.S. and Turkey and supporting Ataturk's vision of Turkey as a…prosperous democracy giving hope to its people and providing 'peace at home, peace in the world.'"

He signed the note "Barack Obama."

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

Why the surprise. Most American talking heads are pretending to be journalists too.

re: #33 CIA Reject

You mean there are "real" al-jezeera press cards?

Apparently: Real cards for fake "press."

OT early - sorry ... but working and watching LGF Spy ... who are all these new or not so new posters downdinging and posting in old threads ... is this a result of flushing out the lounge ...

re: #19 Fast Eddie

We shouldn't criticize 0bama's speeches - he's just saying what the Teleprompter tells him to say.

"Repeat After Me"

re: #36 DaddyG

Too bad Obama doesn't seem to realize Islam is at war with the United States.

(Or at least a critical number of them.)

He wants a seat on the Human Rights Council, but has no problem with a religion that doesn't allow women to become educated, and clearly treats them as second class members of society. Islam would be more sympathetic to him if he pushed for more of this in the US. I wouldn't put it past him either.

re: #4 lawhawk

diplobabble

I like that word. It's very descriptive.

Al Jazeera reporter was planning to assassinate Obama
Your text to link...

re: #38 DaddyG

Until that fatwa is rescinded or unequivocally rejected by the world muslim community I see no reason to assume that anything but a state of war exists between them and the United States.

re: #43 avanti

O.T. Gates kills the Marine One chopper and the F 22.

And you got this from where?

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

Holy crap. How would this guy get close enough to get Obama with a knife?

say, I am curious

is George Bush President ?

re: #41 Jr Ewing

'Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama'

Turkish security services have arrested a man of Syrian descent who was planning to assassinate US President Barack Obama during his current trip to Turkey, the Saudi daily Al Watan reported Monday.

According to the report, the man, who was arrested on Friday, waS carrying a press card identifying him as an employee of Al Jazeera. He reportedly confessed to his intention to stab Obama with a knife and said that he was aided by three accomplices.

SNIP

re: #35 Shug

Bush went on TV right after 9/11 and Said " Islam means Peace"

while the smoke was still pouring out of the the WTC

and many of us didn't like it

That seemed a little hard to swallow at the time, for sure.

At the same time, the Islamic school out the road from me mysteriously burned to the ground not long after 9/11.

Syrian Man Disguised as Aljazeera Reporter Arrested In Obama Murder Plot

Are we sure it was a disguise?

re: #29 J.D.

I was attempting to acknowledge Charles' point on this one while still continuing to engage with him on the "bowing" thing.

I think Charles may have forgotten how to tell when someone was trying to honestly engage - now I think it seems that he just assumes that any disagreement anyone has with him is "hate mail".

re: #41 Jr Ewing

'Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama'

It was just a misunderstanding. Had the perpetrator known the reason for Obama's visit and listened to his speech, his heart would have turned and all of his anger would wash away into dreams of unicorns.

re: #59 jjmckay1216

Holy crap. How would this guy get close enough to get Obama with a knife?

?! Remember the shoe thrower? He got close.

When does this "apology tour" end?

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

Their first clue: Al-Jizz has no "reporters," and isn't a "news" network.

/repost

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody tell Obama that the "Palestinians" already have a state: it's called Jordan. If he supports a "two-state solution," he will support encouraging the self-styled "refugees" of Gaza and the West Bank to seek relocation there, and support encouraging Jordan to take them.

If he does not do this, he is not supporting a "two-state" solution: he is supporting a three- or four- state solution as an interim waystation towards the destruction of Israel.

excellent !

they also have GAZA !

which we sent and send money to

Am sorry.. didn't see that some one already posted assassinate plot.

re: #52 JacksonTn

What happened in the lounge?

To further appease Turkey's Islamists, I bet Obama twisted Mr. Rasmussen's arm severely to get him to grovel for his NATO seat, despite standing islamist FATWAs against us.

Pres. Obama gave Turkey 3 high level appointments in NATO by extorting Mr. Rasmussen to apologize in exchage for the top NATO slot Rasmussen deserved on the merits.

Rasmussen was a staunch ally of President Bush in the war against terror, sent troops to Iraq, and stood firm against the crazy islamists in his own country, who tried to inflame a global cartoonish war. Mullah Krekar the welfare cheat living in Denmark, tried to stoke the flames against the country that took him and his family in and fed & clothed this islamist creep.

For the umpteenth time in under 75 days, yuck, Mr. President.

The Turkish government had been moving in a secular direction until the most recent elections. This declaration isn't going to change that, but will actually invigorate the Islamists further since they'll see this as a moment of weakness.

Time after time, the Islamists take restraint as weakness, and it causes much grief and death on all sides (primarily Muslims since they're most frequently the targets of the terrorists in sheer numbers). Bush never clearly provided the name of the enemy, and used the euphemism war on terror to describe it, even though he was describing a tactic used by the barbarians arrayed against the West.

Now, Obama wont even do that. And trying to cast everything as being an outgrowth of the failure of the peace process is a recipe for disaster. Obama is now seeking refuge from domestic woes with a foreign policy area that most Presidents save until the end of their administration because it's a legacy thing, and yet Obama's going to piddle away his prestige by sending envoys to push a peace process that is DOA because the Palestinians don't want peace unless it means Israel is a rotting corpse.

This is just more carrots to a regime which is basically become an ally of Iran and anti-Western:

But at the same time, neither the US nor Israel should delude themselves by thinking that Turkey remains their strategic ally. It is not. And there are consequences to this fact.

As Glick noted back in 2008, when Bush was President,

For the US, beyond ending immediately Turkey's role as an intermediary with Iran, it would make sense to float the notion of removing Turkey from NATO due to its expanding ties with Iran. Just the suggestion of such a move would no doubt have a profound effect on the Turks. Certainly, the US should be reaching out to regime opponents and calling for Erdogan and his associates to end their attempts to repress the anti-Islamic media and secular politicians, businessmen and military commanders.

[Link: www.carolineglick.com...]

But, evidently, the idea that sticks should accompany carrots is unknown to our appeasement-centered diplomatic core.

But I also want to be clear that America’s relationship with the Muslim world cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaeda.

Therefore, he will ignore the elephant in the living room.

re: #63 Kenneth

Are we sure it was a disguise?

About as believable as a kosher pig.

re: #4 lawhawk

Worth repeating again:

It's the same diplobabble that we've seen from the DC diplomats for a generation. They want a two-state solution, all while ignoring that one of the two sides (the Palestinians) do not want to live alongside Israel, but would rather want it seen destroyed and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

Any diplomatic effort on this front is doomed to failure because the Palestinians will see to it that it fails, but that the blame falls on Israel.

Worth quoting in full!

We often forget that the material for speeches is prepared ebforehand by minions in various deprtments - and as you say, that lot at Foggy Bottom has never and will never understand that the vrious pali factions do want one pali state only - 'from the river to the sea', absolutely 'judenrein'.

re: #71 Creeping Eruption

What happened in the lounge?

its closed now ... there was a thread about it yesterday ... I think ...

“Let me be clear: the United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security,” he said in a speech to Turkey’s parliament. ...

Is President Obama aware that most Palestinians do not support this idea?

re: #25 BigPapa

Or...

"Please unclench your fists. Mine are open, see? Why don't you unclench yours? The bad man is gone now! Unclench your fists! Pleeese..."

...OW! Wha...the...

re: #52 JacksonTn

OT early - sorry ... but working and watching LGF Spy ... who are all these new or not so new posters downdinging and posting in old threads ...

Amazing, isn't it?

re: #6 Shug

do they know that?

Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam

Do Americans realize that Islam is at war with the US? Do the *diplomats*?

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody tell Obama that the "Palestinians" already have a state: it's called Jordan. If he supports a "two-state solution," he will support encouraging the self-styled "refugees" of Gaza and the West Bank to seek relocation there, and support encouraging Jordan to take them.

If he does not do this, he is not supporting a "two-state" solution: he is supporting a three- or four- state solution as an interim waystation towards the destruction of Israel.

I don't think 0bama has enough political capital to support openly the destruction of Israel. While it seems to be his stance, even he can't come out and say it outright.

re: #64 limeshurbet

I was attempting to acknowledge Charles' point on this one while still continuing to engage with him on the "bowing" thing.

I think Charles may have forgotten how to tell when someone was trying to honestly engage - now I think it seems that he just assumes that any disagreement anyone has with him is "hate mail".

Oh, no.
Charles knows hate mail when he sees it.
You can take that to the bank.

Here's an interesting take on Britain's impression of The Enlightened Orator:

Today, we were treated to another set-piece Obama speech, and my didn't he go on a bit? The crowd in Prague was huge, and initially wildly enthusiastic, but what he served up was not any more impressive than his damp squib in Berlin last year. Is there a computer which churns this stuff out for him?

"For over a thousand years, Prague has set itself apart from any other city in any other place. You have known war and peace. You have seen empires rise and fall. You have led revolutions in the arts and science, in politics and poetry. Through it all, the people of Prague have insisted on pursuing their own path, and defining their own destiny. And this city - this Golden City which is both ancient and youthful - stands as a living monument to your unconquerable spirit."

Empires rising and falling, destinies being defined and a Golden City standing as a monument to unconquerable spirit... goodness, what a ham. When he really gets going he's worse than Tony Blair.

But Obama was only warming up. "When I was born," (Everything usually leads back to him, you'll notice)... "the world was divided, and our nations were faced with very different circumstances. Few people would have predicted that someone like me would one day become an American President." (Him again)...

"Few people would have predicted that an American President would one day be permitted to speak to an audience like this in Prague. And few would have imagined that the Czech Republic would become a free nation, a member of NATO, and a leader of a united Europe. Those ideas would have been dismissed as dreams". (Not by Ronald Reagan they wouldn't have been, when most of Obama's Democrat friends thought the then US President's robust approach to the Cold War made him a loony on the loose).

"We are here today because enough people ignored the voices who told them that the world could not change. We are here today because of the courage of those who stood up - and took risks - to say that freedom is a right for all people, no matter what side of a wall they live on, and no matter what they look like... (subtly this time, but right at the end the sentence leads back to him again).

The Obamas have handled their trip well and in their public appearances have been a credit to their country. But I'll wager that within a year or so he'll be marked down as a wind-bag.

Read the whole piece. His crown as the Great Orator is getting a tad tarnished.

The Muslim world, in general, is quite happy having the Palestinian issue available so they can beat Israel over the head with it. I doubt very much that those Muslims in power in the ME really want the Israel/Palestinian issue settled. The concern they have for the Palestinian people is...zero.

re: #55 rw in san diego

I like that word. It's very descriptive.

Diplobabble and pseudoreality are what the diplomats are peddling these days, and both are going to get lots of people killed.

re: #60 Adrenalyn

say, I am curious

is George Bush President ?

* * *
No, but he's throwing out a baseball pitch in Arlington Texas to great crowds right now. Hoorah.

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Turkey foils plot to assassinate Obama

Suspect was using a "fake" al-jezeera press card. Riiight, I'm sure they didn't know the guy./

What gave it away, the pins and spoons on his shoe laces?

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

?! Remember the shoe thrower? He got close.

good point. but he said "stab" not throw the knife at him. Forgot about the shoe guy, honestly. Glad the Turks were on top if it, though. Voted out of office, YES. Assassinated, NO!

Meanwhile, Obama craps on the Armenians:

Obama Declines to Call Armenian Deaths in World War I a 'Genocide'

re: #58 Nevergiveup

And you got this from where?

FoX news, just now.

re: #81 Charles

Amazing, isn't it?

It's all your fault. You closed the lounge and tossed them in the street!

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re: #79 Ringo the Gringo

Is President Obama aware that most Palestinians do not support this idea?

That is the question.

re: #63 Kenneth

Syrian Man Disguised as Aljazeera Reporter Arrested In Obama Murder Plot

Are we sure it was a disguise?

Are we sure it was not a put-up job, to show the world how fierce the Turks are?

Yes, I'm cynical here!

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

Meanwhile, Obama craps on the Armenians:

Obama Declines to Call Armenian Deaths in World War I a 'Genocide'

Must have mistook them for Americans.

re: #75 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Therefore, he will ignore the elephant in the living room.

* * * *
And Pres. Obama is planning to put the jihadist fatwa spewing GITMO guys 10 blocks from my house in Alexandria, Virginia.

re: #78 JacksonTn

its closed now ... there was a thread about it yesterday ... I think ...

Wow just checked it out. Never used it myself but that is pretty fucked up considering Lizards in good standing would go there to exchange personal info (as I understand it).

Don't these people have anything better to do with their time (Rhetorical question)

re: #96 yma o hyd

Are we sure it was not a put-up job, to show the world how fierce the Turks are?

Yes, I'm cynical here!

A Turkish dog and pony show?

/S

re: #64 limeshurbet

I was attempting to acknowledge Charles' point on this one while still continuing to engage with him on the "bowing" thing.

I think Charles may have forgotten how to tell when someone was trying to honestly engage - now I think it seems that he just assumes that any disagreement anyone has with him is "hate mail".

A pretty stupid post, this - you seem to have missed how the arguments work here, on this blog.
But then, you've already called it an 'echo chamber' ...

re: #22 CIA Reject

“Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam."

Mighty peculiar statement considering that Islam is at war with us.

Yes, and the only way to unilaterally change the status is to give up, and hope the other side accepts the surrender.
But it doesn't appear that Islam will stop the war unless we completely surrender, and either convert or accept dhimmitude.

re: #44 harrylook

I don't need to read LGF to see a defense of 0bama. Is that the new theme here? And I could care less if 0bama is mouthing some of W's speeches. It's actions that matter, and with W, I knew who's side our president was on, and that he would do whatever it took to keep us safe. Not so with 0bama...

How about a defense of fairness wherever it takes you ? I was just about to post one myself. I suspect the Bush mouth kiss is a photoshop of the move from one cheek to the another. I'm not saying cheek kissing is good, but I think the mouth kiss might be a fake.

I have my eyes closed...I can't hear you!

Obama Speaks in Turkey.

*fixed*

I'll see your 'religion of peace' and raise with a 'response of peace.'

I'm just glad, 'ding dong, the witch is dead, the wicked witch, ding dong the wicked witch is dead'...the war of whomever is stating the desire to make war against us and intent to murder us and who is actually killing we non-ROP infidels is over and that finally we claim the sole title of world terrorists and global economy slayers and ultimate human rights abuser and accept our Great Satan nameplates...and finally, thankfully the whole world loves us because now with Obama words mean something even when they are plagiarized routinely in the professorial verbosity of gobbley-gook confusement!

re: #67 IgofAntioch

When does this "apology tour" end?

2012

re: #103 avanti

A "fair" analysis of 0bama's moves so far (especially this trip abroad) would lead an objective person to conclude, "Sucks." He's spent the entire trip apologizing for America, making us out to be the bad guy, and generally kissing up to people who bash the USA at cocktail parties. That's the story. So what if a few loons want to harp on the "bowing" picture? That's what we are going to focus on? The fringe cooks on the right? How 'bout getting back on message, which is what a limp-wristed arrogant jerk 0bama is?

re: #103 avanti

How about a defense of fairness wherever it takes you ? I was just about to post one myself. I suspect the Bush mouth kiss is a photoshop of the move from one cheek to the another. I'm not saying cheek kissing is good, but I think the mouth kiss might be a fake.

In the Mideast, an honored guest my be greeted with a triple kiss. Both cheeks and then the lips.

Been there done that, usually by a guy with a beard.

It's a cultural norm, and entirely possible.

re: #64 limeshurbet

I was attempting to acknowledge Charles' point on this one while still continuing to engage with him on the "bowing" thing.

I think Charles may have forgotten how to tell when someone was trying to honestly engage - now I think it seems that he just assumes that any disagreement anyone has with him is "hate mail".

This is dishonest on your part, or perhaps you just can't see yourself very clearly. Fine to disagree with the point being made, but calling the author of the piece disingenuous and explaining what you think is actually going on in his mind is preposterous.

The problem is the Palestinians are incapable of self governance, opposed to the two state solution and so poorly led that there is no hope whatsoever of any initiative succeeding.

With two competing governments and having failed at national reconciliation at least five times by my count since the 2007 Hamas putsch in Gaza, who is Israel to negotiate with? Hamas is in league with Iran and will black any deal that involves recognition of Israel.

Next up is the problem of incitement and keeping promises- Palestinians are still bombarded with anti-Semitism in media and schools. Peace cannot occur until this stops. This also applies to the issue of recognition. Palestinian leaders still say one thing in Arabic to their own people and another to everyone else. This was promised to change any number of times but never does.

The real answer and the right answer is to change the underlying dynamics of the situation, marginalize the radicals and open real doors to do something right: make the peace proposal not government to government but people to people. The leaders are more the problem than the people and if the people do not want peace, no one can force them to make peace. Nothing can move peace and reconciliation forward more than a Palestinian national plebiscite- if the Palestinian people want to recognize Israel and make peace, Hamas and the other radicals must choose between what the people want and their own ideology. If the people vote against peace, then there is no reason to negotiate a meaningless agreement that one side has already rejected. While Israelis have voted time and again to make peace, a national vote to show Israel's commitment, conditioned on Palestinian recognition, in no way hurts things but puts the onus where it belongs- it pushes the Palestinians to step up or Israel is under no obligation to do anything more until they do.

This conflict has its own language and logic- the only way forward, is to cut through the rhetoric and posturing and make peace either a real possibility or stop wasting time, money and effort on a process that people don't want.

If you are like me, then you know the Palestinians will vote it down and they can finally go cold turkey on foreign aid; they also face the unappetizing possibility of Israel having carte blanche with how to deal with them.

But repeating the old formulas for failure is stupid, counterproductive and costs lives.

re: #102 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, and the only way to unilaterally change the status is to give up, and hope the other side accepts the surrender.
But it doesn't appear that Islam will stop the war unless we completely surrender, and either convert or accept dhimmitude.

The Japanese Buishido warrior cult didn't seem to appear to want to stop war before August 9, 1945. I'm just pointing that out for no particular reason.

Bushido PIMF.

How did we get 87 comments into a new thread already. This work thing really cuts into my blog commenting time.

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re: #24 MrSilverDragon

I just had a mental picture of Obama saying, "Gobble gobble gobble."

It made me giggle.

Thanks(giving) for the laugh!

re: #112 DaddyG

The Japanese Buishido warrior cult didn't seem to appear to want to stop war before August 9, 1945. I'm just pointing that out for no particular reason.

What happened August 9, 1945?

re: #115 so.cal.swede

What happened August 9, 1945?

The bombing of Nagasaki. Up until that point in time the Japanese Generals were still planning to continue the war with the US. The Japanese Emperor put his own life in danger for even considering surrender.

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

an inch away from ... President Biden- too frightening.

Doesn't al Jazeerah have downloadable "I am a al Qaeda Jazeerah journalist?"

While I would like to knock President Obama off pier with a mackerel much like the Monty Python sketch, I would happily kill anyone trying to hurt him or a member of his family.

Obama Speaks in Turkey

Only fitting that a Turkey would speak in Turkey.

re: #110 jaunte

What I said was that a refusal to acknowledge there was a difference between the two was disingenuous at best, which Charles then chose to ignore in favor of a snarky comment.

I also said Charles, being the smart person we all know he is, knows it is disingenuous.

Again, with the snarky comments and no actual rebuttal.

What other conclusion is one to draw that the conclusion I shared?

Preposterous? Hardly.

Bush was wrong in regards to the "Palestinians" as is Obama. The ME's problems are not the result of the conflict, though the conflict is indicative of what is wrong with Islamic world. Israel is the canary in the coal mine and to push the "roadmap" is absolutely idiotic. Bad Bush policy, but worse under Obama IMHO. The difference is that while Bush was soft here later in his presidency, he was strong elsewhere in regards to these terrorist thugs, Obama, is just soft.

As far as the religion of peace nonsense goes, if it's just talk that's one thing, if it dictates action that is another.

re: #119 limeshurbet

You can continue to be satisfied with yourself, then.

Same sheet, different prez. I'm curious to know when this one is going to pop in on the troops in A'stan and Iraq. He is CiC after all and it would be a gesture of leadership.

“Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject,” Obama said.

Obama is clearly wrong here. There is widespread support for Islamic extremism in the Islamic world. Downplaying and denying reality is not a very honest thing to do. Bush may have called Islam a "religion of peace" which is of course absurd, but I will bet that the words "Islamofascist" will never ever appear on Obama's teleprompter.

re: #121 jaunte

Again, with the snark. Who said anything about me being satisfied with myself?

It was irritating as hell when Bush did it. My appetite for this kind of pandering has not improved with the change of administration.

Bad ideas said in a place that's unfortunately creeping in wrong directions.

"“Let me be clear: the United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security,” he said in a speech to Turkey’s parliament. ..."

This won't do. The Hamas charter calls for the complete destruction of Israel. The anti-semities who we rally against in San Francisco just love the chant "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free." It's the same mentality.

Playing devil's advocate, perhaps President Obama is purposely trying to be reconciliatory with the Muslims in an effort to show the world that the US wants peace. And when that peace is rejected, the President can turn around and say, "See, we offered peace and the terrorists rejected it outright." Time will tell if this is the case.

Color me skeptical.

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

Meanwhile, Obama craps on the Armenians:

Obama Declines to Call Armenian Deaths in World War I a 'Genocide'

It was Jihadocide.

This doesn't sound like a lot of Change and it is not filling me with a lot of Hope.

It was wrong of Bush to kowtow to a hateful ideology that dehumanizes Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Women, Homosexuals etc. It is also very wrong of Obama to do the same. I wonder if the Pride movement and groups like NOW will rescind their support of Obama. We know they never supported Bush.

“Let me be clear: the United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security,”

“Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject,” Obama said.

A believing muslim sees an established Israel as an attack on islam because any territory seized by muslims is always muslim, Comrade Zero...

The U.S. is not at war with Islam, and ought not to be at war with it. A war on a religion is necessarily a war of extermination, and we don't do wars of extermination---unless we find ourselves on the receiving end of such a war. Then, all bets would be off.

Wars of extermination are madness. The loser is annihilated. The winner is gravely injured, perhaps beyond possibility of recovery, and they are forever hated and feared by onlookers.

When fights flare between us and some clans or factions that hail from dar al islam, the fight is a fight with that particular clan or faction, and it's about the particular wrong that faction did us. Our war with the Taliban is not a war to make them give up their brand of Islam, their treatment of women, their treatment of catamites, their treatment of goats, or even their poppy cultivation. It's a fight they brought on themselves when they declared Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda their guests and allies.

Obama Speaks in Turkey

Is it a plastic one? 'Cause whatever he says, is going to sound hollow in there.

Oh wait.

I'm glad Charles can keep pointing to occasions where Presidents from both parties have acted similarly in office. It goes to show that it is not so much the manner in which we do things that separate us, but in the certain principles and ideals we hold. It irritates me to no end that people from here and on Dkos will make remarks like "acts just like the left/right" to every negative action they perceive. You can't do that. It's illogical and it's immature.

re: #96 yma o hyd

Are we sure it was not a put-up job, to show the world how fierce the Turks are?

Yes, I'm cynical here!

The Turkish soldiers are known throughout the world as the fiercest, meanest since the Mongol Hoards.
Their training is torturous way beyond the Geneva Conventions. A Turkish soldier always completes his mission, because he knows that he will get much worse from his officers than anything the enemy can do.

The Turks were the only ones the Norks feared in the skirmish in the '50s.

"We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect."

This is a lofty and a worthwhile objective. We should seek peace and prosperity, the free exchange of ideas, services, and goods. We should seek the promotion of decency and good health throughout the world. So should all peoples. Regrettably, the BASIC TENET OF THE MUSLIM POLITICAL IDEOLOGY IS FORCEFUL SUBJUGATION OF ALL NON-BELIEVERS OF ISLAM. So, where is there any mutual interest?

I have a simple way for the Palestinians to have their own State. Since all the Arab countries say they should have their own State, let's have Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia give a little bit of their land where they are close to each other? All four countries are much bigger than Israel so they won't miss the land (sand). The Palestinians and Israelis will be separated, and we will have peace at last. I like living in my fantasy world.