Palin Finally Recognizes Alaskan Missile Defense Role

US News • Views: 1,785

After North Korea’s failed missile test (the rocket crashed into the ocean) Sarah Palin issued a statement on missile defense; at Closing Velocity, McKittrick says better late than never: Palin Finally Recognizes Alaska’s Vital Missile Defense Role.

With missile defense budget cuts now in motion —- and Fort Greely’s planned deployment of 40 interceptors being capped at the current 21 —- Palin finally emerges from her cocoon:

“I am deeply concerned with North Korea’s development and testing program which has clear potential of impacting Alaska, a sovereign state of the United States, with a potentially nuclear armed warhead,” Governor Palin said. “I can’t emphasize enough how important it is that we continue to develop and perfect the global missile defense network. Alaska’s strategic location and the system in place here have proven invaluable in defending the nation.”

Governor Palin stressed the importance of Fort Greely and the need for continued funding for the Missile Defense Agency. The governor is firmly against U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates’ proposed $1.4 billion reduction of the Missile Defense Agency. Greely’s isolated location in Alaska as well as its strategic location in the Pacific allows for maximum security and development of the country’s only ground-based missile defense complex.

That’s all fine and well now, but Palin could have made this slamdunk case about 8 months ago. Instead, she let herself get permanently tarred with the SNL-written “I can see Russia from my house!” as shorthand for her national security (in)experience.

Jump to bottom

742 comments
1 saberry0530  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:58:01am

bout time.

2 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:58:03am

That would have been nice.

3 bolivar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:59:18am

Is this pile on Palin week? I really am getting fed up with all this crap. Most of the crap is lies, distortions or out of context. They used every trick in the book and made up some new ones to crucify Sarah and I for am offended - does that make me qualified to sue for damages? I might be onto something here.

4 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:00:30am

What, she didn't claim she could shoot down any missile while hunting moose?
/
If this line shows up on SNL, I'm suing.

5 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:00:33am

Yeah, but it's not like the MSM would have noticed or reported that. Or that the McCain Camp would "allow" her to talk on that topic. I mean weren't the McCain people the "PROS"?

6 blangwort  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:01:57am

Alaska has always had outposts and early warning stations during the cold war. I'm surprised the good Governor has taken this long to figure it out.

In any case, she DID figure it out. That's a lot more than many Governors and Congress Critters I can think of...

7 dhg4  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:02:00am

The foreign policy moment I wished she had made was calling Biden on his claim that the U.S. had chased Hezbollah out of Lebanon. I'm disappointed that she was ill-prepared on many of these issues. She didn't have two years to prepare herself. But then again she wasn't running for President. And the guy who ran for President and won, is discovering that a lot of things he ran against might have sounded good - especially to the media - but that they are absolutely necessary for defending this country. In other words, if we'd had an adversarial media, many of President Obama's statements would have been exposed as totally empty - before the election.

8 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:02:24am

re: #3 bolivar

There's a Sarah Palin blog trying to pressure websites to remove anti-Palin camments from the internet. You could help them out to vent your anger.

9 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:02:28am

Was she bound by non disclosure vows? There are classified issues that she might have been instructed to avoid by completely avoiding the subjects.

10 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:02:59am
The governor is firmly against U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates’ proposed $1.4 billion reduction of the Missile Defense Agency.

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

11 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:03:41am

Better late than never is right. Even if she didn't make any comments during the campaign, I was never afraid of her cutting our missle defense capabilities. I always knew Obama would though.

12 dhg4  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:15am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

In the Iraq Study Group that advocated against the surge. (While I think he's wrong, I don't think he's an idiot.)

13 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:47am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

He is one of daddy's guys. Enough said.

14 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:54am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

Shortsighted? He seems to be doing everything right, to keep his job. Unfortunately with the cowards we have in DC, that is looked upon as being 'far-sighted'.

15 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:05:17am

re: #12 dhg4

In the Iraq Study Group that advocated against the surge. (While I think he's wrong, I don't think he's an idiot.)

But he is a Bush1/Baker guy.

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:05:20am

Um... Sarah Palin was of course running with that other guy.

From the McCain/Palin (archived) website:

Effective Missile Defense

John McCain strongly supports the development and deployment of theater and national missile defenses. Effective missile defenses are critical to protect America from rogue regimes like North Korea that possess the capability to target America with intercontinental ballistic missiles, from outlaw states like Iran that threaten American forces and American allies with ballistic missiles, and to hedge against potential threats from possible strategic competitors like Russia and China. Effective missile defenses are also necessary to allow American military forces to operate overseas without being deterred by the threat of missile attack from a regional adversary.

17 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:05:49am

I will never understand why we would reduce missile defense. If you object to the idea of offensive weapons I can understand that. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But to cut defensive weapons just makes no sense. If you are anti war then a defensive weapon should be exactly what you want. It would be the perfect excuse to just hide behind the shield and not engage in any battles outside our country. What better answer is there for the left? I just don't get it.

18 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:05:49am

re: #3 bolivar

Is this pile on Palin week? I really am getting fed up with all this crap. Most of the crap is lies, distortions or out of context. They used every trick in the book and made up some new ones to crucify Sarah and I for am offended - does that make me qualified to sue for damages? I might be onto something here.

I agree with you. The talk shows are even parading the kid around that got her daughter pregnant , to defame Sarah Palin.
She really gets unfairly abused & I don't like it.

19 slterry40  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:03am

I wondered a long time about why she didn't make a stronger case about the role of Alaska in foreign affairs. She was ruthlessly mocked, but it is a fact that the governor of Alaska is uniquely situated to deal with considerable foreign issues.

As always though the Republicans weren't aggressive enough in pointing these obvious truths, and instead looked defensive and petty after the mocking began in the msm. Typical poor candidate management.

20 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:07am

Shades of blaming Palin (VP pick) for supposedly having less experience than Obama (POTUS). Palin may have been slow to publicly advance Alaska's vital role in defending the rest of the country from ICBMs, but Obama apparently hasn't figured it out yet at all and wants to de-fund the system. It's not like Palin gave a teleprompter-supported speech about unilateral nuclear disarmament and announced near-abandonment of the missile shield within a day of North Korea launching a multistage missile over Japan, right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:14am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

In the Bush administration, unfortunately, after it went downhill.
And I have to say I don't think Rumsfield was that great either; he had is own way no matter what the generals and admirals, with all their experience, thought.

But I think Gates already had these ideas which is why 0 kept him on. That, and that he couldn't get McNamara.

22 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:54am

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

23 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:57am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Um... Sarah Palin was of course running with that other guy.

From the McCain/Palin (archived) website:

Effective Missile Defense

Nice work. Can't say I liked McCain, but he was correct on a number of things.

24 calvin coolidge  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:07:17am

Here's the real lesson. Every time North Korea launches a missile in our direction the US eventually ends up giving them money or some reward to stop. Perhaps if Palin launched a missile at the lower 48, the government would send her some money too.

25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:07:26am
Instead, she let herself get permanently tarred with the SNL-written “I can see Russia from my house!”

This is something of a non sequitur, in my opinion.

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:07:34am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Um... Sarah Palin was of course running with that other guy.


Oh yeah, I seem to remember some old white guy she was always hanging out with.

27 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:07:50am

Palin's statement on the North Korean missile launch is more appropriate than that of President Obama, who has been more than willing to throw away missile defense for Europe and who's been busy instructing Defense Secretary Gates to gut the military's capabilities to deal with a wide range of threats, including missile defense.

Should Palin have come out and said this months ago? Sure. In fact, I seem to recall that she did, but it was thrown under the proverbial bus by the media that was more intent upon slamming her for her "limited" national security and foreign policy experience compared to Obama. They latched on to the Russia comments, ignoring the fact that the only foreign policy experience at the top of the Democrat ticket was a community organizer's trips abroad.

28 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:29am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

How many beautiful women have you known who were stupid? Go jump off a cliff, will you?

29 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:30am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Dipshit living in parent's basement posts comment, news at 11

30 slterry40  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:32am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

And isn't it just so typical that this is the person from Bush's cabinet that the Chosen One would choose to keep on. The man is clearly a puppet who will do as he is told. Neither party should want such a person in their cabinet, yet both do. Says a lot about both parties and politicians in general.

31 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #3 bolivar

Is this pile on Palin week? I really am getting fed up with all this crap. Most of the crap is lies, distortions or out of context. They used every trick in the book and made up some new ones to crucify Sarah and I for am offended - does that make me qualified to sue for damages? I might be onto something here.

Why limit to yourself to a WEEK?
A ten-second Google search got me this article from August 2008.
A notable question:

Here's hoping that McCain and Palin make a joint appearance with the Fort Greely troops to spotlight this significant policy difference between the Democrats and the GOP:

The answer: Palin made appearances. McCain did not.

32 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:45am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Go back to smoking your dope.

33 Salem  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:51am

Palin is a queen next to the POS Obama.

34 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:08:55am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Silly. If that is how you think of Palin, you must be in living hell about ineffective community organizer turned politician....

35 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:09:03am

Hmmm, Sarah Palin too inexperienced to be VP. I know let's make a Community Organizer the President! What could go wrong?
See ya later.

36 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:09:20am

The best defense is a good offence and the next time Kim Jong Elvis has a missile on the pad, we need to just take it out before it launches.

but that's just me channeling JFK again

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:09:31am

So, it isn't "I can see Russia from my house." (No, Tina, you live in LA. You can't.)

It's..."I would be able to see the NKorean missile about to slam into my house, unlike the politicos who live in D.C., and the entertainment folks who live in California."*

*Actually, I don't know if a missile would reach Wasilla or just the coasts of Alaska.

38 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:09:51am

oops, I said offence...
lol

39 FrogMarch  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:10:06am

the problem with most Republicans is that they do not know how to handle the left's hatred. Republicans are often too nice.

The other problem is that when the R's finally do grow a pair, they often rant about social issues that are not important to most voters. they end up wasting precious energy.

40 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:10:48am

OT:

Hello from Afghanistan! Going to the overnight thread.

41 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:04am

re: #39 FrogMarch

the problem with most Republicans is that they do not know how to handle the left's hatred. Republicans are often too nice.

The other problem is that when the R's finally do grow a pair, they often rant about social issues that are not important to most voters. they end up wasting precious energy.


Agree
The GOP are too busy trying to get creation into the public school biology classes

42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:06am

This is one of the very, very few times... maybe the first?... I'm downdinging a Charles thread. I am not a big Sarahphile, but this thread topic just seems like pointless Palin-bashing. She and McCain were quite clear on their position regarding missile defense. The Obama Administration, on the other hand, is quite clear that they want to gut it. THAT'S the scandal.

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:40am

I just googled to see how Palin's popularity at home is going. She's having some trouble.....
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's Sister-In-Law Arrested For Burglary Following Home Invasion

Diana Palin, the sister-in-law of of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the first female RepublIcan vice presidential candidate, has been arrested for breaking into a home for the second time this week to steal money, according to the Anchorage Daily News.

Palin, 35, is detained at Mat-Su Pretrial Facility for felony burglary, misdemeanor theft and criminal trespass charges. She was arrested on Thursday after being caught trying to burglarize a home near Wasilla's Multi-Use Sports Complex. The owner of the home had caught her and called police before she could steal any money.

Police believe Palin, who claims to have mistaken the home for a house of a friend, broke into the home earlier this week. According to reports her 4-year-old daughter was with her when she was arrested.

Lol!
/I really needed a good laugh this morning.

44 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:41am

It seems the media is continuing its disinformation campaign to throw off any real intelligent statements out of her.

They know she is very well qualified to evaluate how to handle things far better for America than CBBHO. It is unfortunate competence is so undervalued.

45 Salem  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:12:01am

I think I'll listen to RUSH, now, since Obomber has no other opposition left.

46 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #40 haakondahl

Cheers. How's the weather? Is it springtime there yet?

47 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:12:41am

re: #39 FrogMarch

the problem with most Republicans is that they do not know how to handle the left's hatred. Republicans are often too nice.

Yup. The Republican's are tryng to fight by Marquis of Queensbury rules while the left is isuing MMA or Ultimate Fighting style.

Pubbies need to take the gloves off on the economy, foreign policy and personal and national security.

48 mph  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:02am

Palin: "beware, the potential of potentially nuclear..."

49 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:15am

Unfortunately this is why I don't think Palin is a viable candidate in 2012. Not because of her own ability, or lack thereof if you happen to believe that, but simply because of the media's coverage of her. I am hoping that what will happen is that the MSM will spend so much time on her that another, more electable candidate will be able to get through without so much media created scrutiny.

50 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:29am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

lol, I signed in just to down ding you moron!

Dude! listen to this! (hits self on head with sneaker) I'm so wasted!

51 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:30am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I just googled to see how Palin's popularity at home is going. She's having some trouble.....
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's Sister-In-Law Arrested For Burglary Following Home Invasion

Lol!
/I really needed a good laugh this morning.

And how's Biden coke snorting daughter doing? Just asking.

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:36am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

I've downdinged plenty of times.

53 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:39am

re: #22 spacejesus

Downding King wants more attention, film at 10.

54 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

A whole bunch of active duty people think/thought he was tying the Army's hands behind it's back in Iraq for a few years now. He did issue some very idiotic ROE's in the last few years.

55 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:55am

I don't think she's just discovered missile defense. I think she was told to talk about such and such and tried to comply. But, who cares, really? There's not a chance in hell she'll get the nomination for national office or come close to winning if, by some freak accident, she does. Not with the plastering she's gotten from dems and their media and the deep hatred of the "moderates" to the right.

Thank goodness McCain didn't win or she'd be Vice President by now!///

56 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:13:59am

In response, the NY times sent a reporter to Alaska to dig up dirt on Bristol and Levi

57 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

He is one of daddy's guys. Enough said.

Ah.

58 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I think she's partying it up somewhere. It's still early, she's probably sleeping it off.

59 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:41am

re: #49 Ford_Prefect

Unfortunately this is why I don't think Palin is a viable candidate in 2012. Not because of her own ability, or lack thereof if you happen to believe that, but simply because of the media's coverage of her. I am hoping that what will happen is that the MSM will spend so much time on her that another, more electable candidate will be able to get through without so much media created scrutiny.

Reluctant upding, and a good analysis.
You're implying ... what ... the MSM picks our candidates?

60 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:46am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I just googled to see how Palin's popularity at home is going. She's having some trouble.....
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's Sister-In-Law Arrested For Burglary Following Home Invasion

As if it doesn't bother you we are all being robbed BLIND by the current administration?!

61 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:51am

re: #49 Ford_Prefect

Unfortunately this is why I don't think Palin is a viable candidate in 2012. Not because of her own ability, or lack thereof if you happen to believe that, but simply because of the media's coverage of her. I am hoping that what will happen is that the MSM will spend so much time on her that another, more electable candidate will be able to get through without so much media created scrutiny.

/funny thing how un-viable candidates keep getting elected...

62 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:14:52am

If you are interested in missile defense issues, get in touch with Heritage Foundation and see if they are showing their documentary "33 Minutes-Protecting America in the New Missile Age" near you.

63 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:15:04am

You guys ever notice how people upding or downding in alphabetical order?

Weird.

/

64 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:15:40am

empty suit thinks austrian is a language, no film to be seen, ever.

65 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:15:57am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You guys ever notice how people upding or downding in alphabetical order?

Weird.

/


Maybe thats why i'm never on the list of dingers,,,, I've been doing it numerically!

66 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:00am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

At Texas A&M.

67 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #60 Right mind left

As if it doesn't bother you we are all being robbed BLIND by the current administration?!


I saw Obama lurking around my windows last night but he ran off when the streetlights came on. Biden was waiting in a car around the corner.

68 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I care if and only if Sarah Palin had anything to do with it.

69 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:32am

To hell with talk, my gripe is that she didn't intercept and destroy that NK rocket. Strong worded pronouncements don't carry the same weight.
////////////

70 dhg4  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #24 calvin coolidge

Here's the real lesson. Every time North Korea launches a missile in our direction the US eventually ends up giving them money or some reward to stop. Perhaps if Palin launched a missile at the lower 48, the government would send her some money too.

She didn't have to. She was still offered "stimulus" money. (Though she rejected some of it.)

71 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:16:57am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

KT? That's not funny. The woman's clearly mentally ill, and that's a tragedy.

And she had a 4 year old with her, which really upsets me.

72 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:17:38am
"...Alaska, a sovereign state of the United States"

Is she back to the Alaskan separatism thing?

73 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:17:55am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

I didn't down ding the thread, but I agree with you.

74 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:17:58am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

I updinged it because it shows she knows more than Obama, however, I almost refrained from a ding due to the word "finally" in the title. Lawhawk, #27, points out that she did point this out during the campaign. Instead, the MFM did their damnest to tar her with the "stupid bimbo" label.

75 researchok  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:04am

Why would anyone think missile defense is optional?

How can adopting a defensive posture be considered provocative?

76 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:05am

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

Is she back to the Alaskan separatism thing?

Was she ever?

77 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:33am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I am not sure what you find funny here. The sad thing is that this will be used against Sarah. How much control do you have over your in-laws? Just not right.

78 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:36am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I just googled to see how Palin's popularity at home is going. She's having some trouble.....
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's Sister-In-Law Arrested For Burglary Following Home Invasion

Lol!
/I really needed a good laugh this morning.

This is the sort of trouble that gets Democrats elected. Anybody remember Billy Carter?

79 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:38am

re: #18 opnion

I agree with you. The talk shows are even parading the kid around that got her daughter pregnant , to defame Sarah Palin.
She really gets unfairly abused & I don't like it.

She was of the defeated party in the election. They had to bring her down with all their might to get Obama in place. What they have done since the election and continuing daily is to mash her into the ground so that she can never rise up again.

Is it because of ideology? Gender? Fear that she may have the abilities and charisma to challenge Obama? All of the above, in my opinion and it's disgusting.

80 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:40am

re: #76 coquimbojoe

Was she ever?

Only in the muddled mind of the MSM.

81 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:18:42am

re: #51 Nevergiveup

And how's Biden coke snorting daughter doing? Just asking.

We don't know. We have to hear about Sarah Palin's husband's half-sister instead.

Palin may be related to some petty crooks, but lets remember Roger Clinton and the Rodham kin, shall we?

Maybe Killgore can google them and give us an update?

82 horse  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:19:04am
Instead, she let herself get permanently tarred with the SNL

As if she had any control over the matter. That is saying she let herself be a victim of the slanders by the gang of liberal media. She had no control over what they choose to do on a massive scale anymore than McCain did. Heck, she didn't have much control over what she could say unless approved by the McCain campaign. Blaming the victim of massive organized liberal slander is less than weak support for the article's theme, it makes it disingenuous. How sad.

83 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:19:13am

re: #71 Dianna

KT? That's not funny. The woman's clearly mentally ill, and that's a tragedy.

And she had a 4 year old with her, which really upsets me.

I read that as having the 4-year old with her when she was arrested, not when the act was committed. I forgot "allegedly". Sorry.

84 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:19:24am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I saw Obama lurking around my windows last night but he ran off when the streetlights came on. Biden was waiting in a car around the corner.

Yep - better watch your pockets over these next twenty years...oh, unless you are one of those who is getting their handouts (and you don't smoke)...

85 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:19:25am

You guys are touchy this morning.

86 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:19:59am

re: #74 Honorary Yooper

I updinged it because it shows she knows more than Obama, however, I almost refrained from a ding due to the word "finally" in the title. Lawhawk, #27, points out that she did point this out during the campaign. Instead, the MFM did their damnest to tar her with the "stupid bimbo" label.

And an astonishing number of people bought it.

87 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:20:02am

re: #75 researchok

Why would anyone think missile defense is optional?


How can adopting a defensive posture be considered provocative?

We deserve to be attacked, because we're so evil. The rest of the world has a right to hit us back for all the suffering we've inflicted. So it's just plain unfair for us to try to build things that would prevent them from achieving their righteous retribution.

/LibThink

88 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:20:12am

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

Is she back to the Alaskan separatism thing?

No, all states are sovereign states of The United States. It's one of the reasons why we have a federal, representative system of government.

89 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:20:35am

re: #80 Colonel Panik

Only in the muddled mind of the MSM.

Zactly.

90 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:03am

re: #77 Ford_Prefect

I am not sure what you find funny here. The sad thing is that this will be used against Sarah. How much control do you have over your in-laws? Just not right.

And we're talking - clearly - about a woman who's ill (or on drugs). It's not funny. It's sad.

And it has bugger all to do with Sarah Palin.

91 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:20am

re: #22 spacejesus


Fuck you and the misogynistic horse you rode in on.

92 CIA Reject  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:24am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

You guys are touchy this morning.

I don't think it's "touchy" so much as unwilling to allow Gov. Palin to be made the scapegoat for the loss of the 2008 Presidential election.

93 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:29am

re: #78 CyanSnowHawk

This is the sort of trouble that gets Democrats elected. Anybody remember Billy Carter?

I also seem to recall some untoward behavior by the husband of our current Secretary of State... whatsisname.

94 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #73 x-wing

I didn't down ding the thread, but I agree with you.

I did. I got the impression that Charles is going along with the "better late than never" part. He typically is well-researched, and this disappointed me.

95 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:34am

On this general topic, Obama is very busy projecting weakness to our enemies and I am afraid we will be hit big time.

And (t)his chimera of a nuclear free world is profoundly pessimistic as it assumes that humanity can never grow up and become responsible with its power.

It is extreme folly for the most moral people not to have the biggest weapons, for if they do not, upon that very instant the evil will hurt the innocent.

And now we have a fool for a president, and a large fraction of our population joining him in madness.

I do not like where all this seems to be heading.

96 ROPMA  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:21:40am

PALIN BOLTON 2012

97 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:01am

re: #86 Dianna

And an astonishing number of people bought it.

I know. Even a fair number on the right seem to have bought into it as well while drinking the Obama Flavorade.

98 horse  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:08am

re: #4 Kosh's Shadow

What, she didn't claim she could shoot down any missile while hunting moose?
/
If this line shows up on SNL, I'm suing.

The anti-ballistic missile 12 gauge slug is highly classified. I am shocked you are even aware of it. ;)

99 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I've downdinged plenty of times.

I thought that was just to mess with the LGF stalkers that think you are a sock-puppet for Charles.

100 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:21am

Well even if the author had been correct about Palin, the real question is how do we get PRESIDENT Obama interested in it, hmmmmm?

101 Mach1Duck  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:23am

Gates is right. You cannot have massive bank bailouts, subsidize the automobile industry, finance the housing market, support nationalized health care, education, welfare and have a large national defense budget. Besides BHO just announced that we are not at war with the Muslims, and there is no war on terror. Any Questions?

102 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:29am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

f-off

and she realized it exists ahead of the POTUS if you must know

103 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:49am

re: #91 Russkilitlover

Fuck you and the misogynistic horse you rode in on.

misogynistic horse? Damn you found my AWOL unicorn...:)

104 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

You guys are touchy this morning.

Sorry. You set my teeth on edge.

105 saberry0530  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:22:52am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Former beauty queen kicks spacejesus ass! News at 11!

Better

106 Lee Coller  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #17 Ford_Prefect

I will never understand why we would reduce missile defense. If you object to the idea of offensive weapons I can understand that. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But to cut defensive weapons just makes no sense. If you are anti war then a defensive weapon should be exactly what you want. It would be the perfect excuse to just hide behind the shield and not engage in any battles outside our country. What better answer is there for the left? I just don't get it.

Don't you get it, missile defense just causes more rogue states -- just like law abiding citizens having guns cause crime.

107 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:23:14am

re: #91 Russkilitlover

Fuck you and the misogynistic horse you rode in on.

but I can see Russia from my horse

108 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:23:15am

re: #102 Shug

f-off

and she realized it exists ahead of the POTUS if you must know

Nice work.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #92 CIA Reject

She did lose my vote. I don't know if you'd consider it scapegoating. I don't care for her but you can. I'm not going to stop you.

110 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:23:50am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Is it your sole objective in life to be an asshole? If so, you're succeeding.

111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:00am

re: #104 Dianna

I'm pretty wound up too. There's a lot of that going around these days.

112 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:19am

re: #75 researchok

Why would anyone think missile defense is optional?

How can adopting a defensive posture be considered provocative?

In the real world, any kind of defense against any potential threat is not "optional."

However, the current administration does not think that way. They see any defensive measures as an actual provocation to potential enemies. In their world view, if we don't provoke a potential enemy, then that enemy won't dare attack us. If they do, they would incur strongly worded letters form the UN and that would scare the crap out of them.

113 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:34am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

You guys are touchy this morning.

I just look at Palin and have a very sad sense that all of America has been had. I don't care about her irritating religious views but see that there is more of her that is bound to do the right thing than 3/4 of those in DC. We need more with the basic ethics that she represents - fiscal responsibility, unapologetic demand for rational use of resources, courageous standing against terrorists and all who wish to do harm ...

114 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:35am

re: #76 coquimbojoe

Was she ever?

IIRC her husband is a member of the AIP and she attended meetings or some such. Anyways, as a Canadian, my antennae go up when I hear Provincial pols (like Quebec) self-describe as a "sovereign state".

115 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:44am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

You're really reaching for -2,000 this morning, aren't you?

116 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:56am

re: #102 Shug

f-off

and she realized it exists ahead of the POTUS if you must know

considering obama is president, that isn't really saying much

117 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:56am

So, in a similar vein, having read through Gates' speech from yesterday, I can find at least one proposed cut that maybe I can agree with:

"We will not pursue a development program for a follow-on Air Force bomber until we have a better understanding of the need, the requirement, and the technology."

Frankly, I was not even aware such a program existed. But I'm thinking the B-2 is already so far ahead of anyone else, and so mission-capable for the forseeable future, that coming up with the next generation bomber is probably not an urgent need. I'd be interested in hearing other folks' thoughts.

118 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

May I suggest (and this is a rarity for me) that you STFD and STFU?

119 Rancher  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:21am
but Palin could have made this slamdunk case about 8 months ago.


Would McCain have let her?

120 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #105 saberry0530

Former beauty queen kicksfield dresses spacejesus ass! News at 11!

///Even Better

121 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty wound up too. There's a lot of that going around these days.

Don't I know it! Gah!

122 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:46am

re: #116 SpaceJesus

considering obama is president, that isn't really saying much


If and when he realizes N Korea is a threat, wake me up.

123 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #96 ROPMA

PALIN BOLTON 2012

She's getting a boob job?

/Oh, BOLTON not Bolt on.

124 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:00am

A pollster was taking opinions outside the United Nations building in New York City. He approached four men waiting to cross the street: a Saudi, a Russian, a North Korean and a resident New Yorker. He asked, "Excuse me, I would like to ask you your opinion on the current meat shortage?" The Saudi replied, "Excuse me, but what is a shortage?" The Russian said, "Excuse me, but what is meat?" The North Korean replied, "Excuse me, but what is an opinion?" The New Yorker replied, "Excuse me, but what is 'excuse me?'"

125 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:11am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty wound up too. There's a lot of that going around these days.

I've noticed the same thing. I quit posting for a while, because I thought it was just me, and didn't want to stir things up with a lone bad karma attack.

It isn't just me.

The community organizer may be succeeding in ways we are overlooking.

126 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:18am

re: #3 bolivar You don't get it.
The Dems don't want Palin to run for POTUS in 2012. So they continue with their attacks to try to weaken her. Face it, the Democrats could NEVER tolerate a Woman as POTUS!
Hell, pre-election, when the MSM was ridiculing her, they ignored this:
Palin: Mayor/Governor
Obama: Community Organizer.

127 Lee Coller  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:23am

re: #118 Dianna

May I suggest (and this is a rarity for me) that you STFD and STFU?

SpaceJesus brings out the worst in all of us. It is the most annoying thing ever to appear at LFG that Charles has allowed to remain for any significant length of time.

128 MJ  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:27am

Palin has many faults and has many responsibilities.. However, being in charge of America's National Security is not her responsibility.

Obama is projecting weakness. His response to the Korean missile launch is to eliminate our defensive missile shield.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

As Kruathammer noted last night:

Well, the administration is pretending, as we heard from Susan Rice, that China is on our side on this. It's not. It has no interest in weakening its ally and puppet in Pyongyang. It's working against us.

We are not going to get a resolution of any sort. Even if we did, it would have no influence.

As for the presidential statement, which is a weak alternative, as Bill indicated, we couldn't even get a presidential statement from the council because China objected to any expression and use of the word "concern," let alone "condemn" or "denounce."

So it's entirely a fantasy. But what makes it worse is that Obama, in Prague, spoke about getting the whole world behind us. He spoke about the international community, which is, in and of itself, is a fiction. He spoke about the U.N. and these resolutions having force, which is also a fiction.

He spoke about a world without nuclear weapons, which is beyond a fiction. It's a childish fantasy.

And what does he talk about? America signing the test ban treaty and working on START talks with the Russians. They are both useless.

Our only defense, our only incremental increase in our defense against these weapons is missile defense. And what the Obama administration announced a day after the launching of this missile from North Korea? A drastic cut in missile defense, which is our only hope of having something which would be effective.

The head of Strategic Command and head of our Pacific Command have said in Congress that our interceptors could work against an attack from North Korea, and we are cutting that program and making it entirely ineffective.


[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

129 CIA Reject  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:32am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

She did lose my vote. I don't know if you'd consider it scapegoating. I don't care for her but you can. I'm not going to stop you.

I'm personally neutral on the subject of Gov. Palin- I voted for Mr. McCain, not her. I am, however, concerned at the tone of some commentators on the right who appear to want to hang the election loss on her and move on while ignoring the myriad of problems which combined to cause the loss of the election. That attitude will solve nothing.

130 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:26:40am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

but I can see Russia from my horse

See, now that is funny. The rest, not so much. Address a serious question: McCain and Palin campaigned on a strong missle defense, Obama is acting to stop a defensive weapons sytem, and has commented against it in the past. What do you think the US should do build defensive capabilities or continue dismantling them?

131 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:11am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

but I can see Russia from my horse

I assume you know that that "quote" came from SNL and not Sarah Palin, correct?

132 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #94 jwb7605

I did. I got the impression that Charles is going along with the "better late than never" part. He typically is well-researched, and this disappointed me.

I'm going up to down ding now. The more I think about it,this is nothing but a slam at her. She talked missle defense during the campaign. I'd like to know when or if Gates informed her of the cuts.

133 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:23am

The other aspect of this is that she is a Governor, not President or even a Congressperson. Apart from the fact that she is a state that is critical to our protection, it isn't really her place to be coming out with public proclamations about the acts of other nations. She should speak out about The President's actions or about the acts of Congress, but speaking out about North Korea would be wrong. She is not the spokesperson for the US or even for the Republicans.

134 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:26am

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

135 CLLRusso  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:35am

You know guys, this is not the first time the Dems and liberals have tried to stop missile defense. A billion years ago during the Reagan years, they were wringing their hands over the cost and the provocation of "Star Wars" toward Russia. Now we have the Islamic crazies threatening everyone in sight with Nukes, etc., and Obama wants again to weaken our defenses. Do liberals have some kind of death wish? If so I wish they would leave this country and offer themselves up to Iran, et al., in some uninhabited place. Or if they believe they are so correct thinking they should be willing to do the same, to PROVE it to us disbelievers.

136 slterry40  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:55am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

smart ass who forms opinions based on what SNL tells him posts on LGF, news at 11

137 dhg4  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:14am

re: #75 researchok

Why would anyone think missile defense is optional?

How can adopting a defensive posture be considered provocative?

Because if you have a good defense (and aren't scared of a counter-attack) you'll be more likely to launch an offensive attack. So having a good defense, according to some, is threatening. It's MADness.

138 joncelli  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:24am

OT: Market's getting hammered again: 7808.67, off -167.18.

139 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

No, all states are sovereign states of The United States. It's one of the reasons why we have a federal, representative system of government.

OK I stand corrected, if all states in the US are commonly called "sovereign states". Sorry, but in Canada the term means something very different.

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:40am
That’s all fine and well now, but Palin could have made this slamdunk case about 8 months ago. Instead, she let herself get permanently tarred with the SNL-written “I can see Russia from my house!” as shorthand for her national security (in)experience.

(Not making an excuse for Palin -- just setting a context)

Put most politely, the McCain Campaign was "ineffectual". It let itself get tarred by ... whatever. Palin and Joe the Plumber came from the outside. Nothing of any lasting effect came from inside.

Dealing with the perception of inexperience was the McCain Campaign's responsibility. Palin was the Campaign's VP candidate. The Republican Presidential campaign was all one -- a unified whole, or not.

141 horse  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:44am

re: #22 spacejesus

It appears you are following in the footsteps of your namesake, absorbing all the negative karma sins for the rest of us so we may be negative karma free. Thanks for the gesture, but you are a jesus whom I will not be following. You can go back to making rational posts worthy of positive karma if you wish.

142 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:49am

re: #36 Shug

The best defense is a good offence and the next time Kim Jong Elvis has a missile on the pad, we need to just take it out before it launches.

but that's just me channeling JFK again

That's not offensive enough. Channel your inner Winfield Scott. Invade Mexico.

143 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:51am

re: #17 Ford_Prefect

I will never understand why we would reduce missile defense. If you object to the idea of offensive weapons I can understand that. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But to cut defensive weapons just makes no sense. If you are anti war then a defensive weapon should be exactly what you want. It would be the perfect excuse to just hide behind the shield and not engage in any battles outside our country. What better answer is there for the left? I just don't get it.

Agreed. Missile defense also fits the Lefts radical egalitarian mindset since it by definition defends everybody, equally. The only explanation can be that these people honestly, truly don't want America defended. They want America vulnerable. And of course that's because we deserve to be vulnerable since we're the source of so much evil in the world.
Only the last part of that is sarcastic.

144 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:54am

re: #118 Dianna

May I suggest (and this is a rarity for me) that you STFD and STFU?

Goodness gracious, if he did this thread would only be half as long and entertaining. Without ChenZen and Gordon, SJ makes a great discussion foil. Keep up the idiocy SJ!

145 Lee Coller  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:28:58am

re: #138 joncelli

OT: Market's getting hammered again: 7808.67, off -167.18.

How do you know the market is going down? Obama's lips are moving.

146 dhg4  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:07am

re: #138 joncelli

OT: Market's getting hammered again: 7808.67, off -167.18.

Sigh. Hope and *downward* change. Again.

147 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:12am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

but I can see Russia from my horse

I can see you're an idiot from here.

148 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:38am

re: #129 CIA Reject

Most agreed. Hanging the loss on her seems like sour grapes. It was not because of Palin that McCain lost, it was because of McCain that McCain lost. It was also due to the media circus around Obama, playing him up as the next best thing since sliced bread.

149 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:45am

re: #127 Lee Coller

SpaceJesus brings out the worst in all of us. It is the most annoying thing ever to appear at LFG that Charles has allowed to remain for any significant length of time.

Have you forgotten the long, long incumbency of Nodrog? Who constantly blew mythological references and made me want to scream? Who believed that an article about Kerry's DD-214 was the same thing as the thing itself? Who...oh, the list goes on and on!

150 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:55am

re: #116 SpaceJesus

Hey did you ever find your purple banana?

151 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:29:59am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

What he said in his own comment section is pertinent:

I don't blame her --- I blame John McCain's team. I emailed them several times during the campaign suggesting Palin's natural advantage on this issue & offered my help. Crickets.

Even so, she didn't exactly step up to the plate either. Was she muzzled?

Posted by: John McKittrick %P% April 07, 2009 at 10:03 AM

152 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:30:38am

re: #138 joncelli

OT: Market's getting hammered again: 7808.67, off -167.18.

Those blasted little AIGmans.

Grab yer pitchforks !

/losing $$

153 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:30:42am

re: #87 Occasional Reader
"/LibThink"
Well heck O.R. you know by now that Liberals aren't allowed in the Democratic Party anymore (or they have to hide it) it's leftists only, thankewverymuch.
And some how "/LeftThink" is too much of an oxymoron to write, even with the sarcasm sign!

154 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:30:54am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

Yes, I did. McKittrick missed a couple of "off camera" moments -- off camera meaning public but not published.
Palin was "handled".

I'm not flying off the handle, I was just hoping for an additional sentence from you.

155 mad_scientist  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:31:20am

They just cant build very good missiles in North Korea it seems.......even so, next time they plan another test we should put them on notice that we will blow it out of the sky, blow up the facility that launched it, and place it was manufactured......

156 Lee Coller  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:31:36am

re: #149 Dianna

Have you forgotten the long, long incumbency of Nodrog? Who constantly blew mythological references and made me want to scream? Who believed that an article about Kerry's DD-214 was the same thing as the thing itself? Who...oh, the list goes on and on!

I remember Nodrog. Nodrog was at times entertaining and at times annoying (and sometimes even right). SpaceJesus only holds one of those qualities.

Actually, I always thought Nodrog was more than one person.

157 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:32:11am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

Yes.

158 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:32:16am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

Palin could have done and said everything McKittrick wanted her to, but it wouldn't have made a ding in Obama's MSM-supplied rhetorical armor.

159 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:32:19am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

I did. And I'm not "flying off the handle"; I'm disagreeing with you.

160 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:32:28am

re: #56 Shug

In response, the NY times sent a reporter to Alaska to dig up dirt on Bristol and Levi

Levi is in deep shit with Plain this week. He's on the talk shows claiming he had "mostly" safe sex, and that Sarah knew he was doing her daughter. The MSN is giving Levi his 10 minutes, I hope he does not have pictures.

161 horse  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:33:04am

re: #116 SpaceJesus

considering obama is president, that isn't really saying much

To the contrary, given the POTUS's demonstrated ineptness in these matters, it says we are pretty well screwed.

162 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:33:09am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Cheers. How's the weather? Is it springtime there yet?

Indeed. Hot one day, shivering rain the next. Once it makes up its mind, though, we'll pray for shivers.

163 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:33:14am

re: #160 avanti

Pictures of who, Biden's daughter?

164 Joyce  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:33:15am

re: #3 bolivar

I've met several people from Alaska since the election. They all support Sarah and get upset when she is misquoted. MSM did it and I don't know how you undo it when they cut the video clips so it's hard to tell who's who. Oh yeah, the comedian has a scar on her cheek.

Alaskans say her biggest problem is that she's too beautiful.

I wish that was my biggest problem. ;)

Joy
Sarah Palin supporter.

165 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:08am

Lunch. Later.

166 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

OK I stand corrected, if all states in the US are commonly called "sovereign states". Sorry, but in Canada the term means something very different.

That's cool. The state sovereignity is taken from the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It is supposed to protect the rights of the states (and even the people) from the federal government. It gets invoked from time to time.

167 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #144 coquimbojoe

Goodness gracious, if he did this thread would only be half as long and entertaining. Without ChenZen and Gordon, SJ makes a great discussion foil. Keep up the idiocy SJ!

It's not just the idiocy. It's the freakin' misogyny!

168 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #154 jwb7605

OT in the midst of things here ...

Hi there! Haven't seen you in awhile.
I gather you were in a job search. How's it going?

169 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:34am

re: #143 LGoPs

The only explanation can be that these people honestly, truly don't want America defended.

Not even that. They don't think so far, some of them, and they want the "Age of Aquarius", OOoooooooo!


Like this:

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in

170 Sheepdogess  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:34:42am

re: #107 SpaceJesus

but I can see Russia from my horse

How Obama Got Elected

Youtube Video

Which one of these morons are you?

171 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:35:17am

re: #155 mad_scientist

They just cant build very good missiles in North Korea it seems.......even so, next time they plan another test we should put them on notice that we will blow it out of the sky, blow up the facility that launched it, and place it was manufactured......

They built a missile that goes 2,000 miles. That's good enough to hit American interests in South Korea, Japan, and could potentially hit Hawaii or Alaska. I do not believe that it was meant to send a satellite into orbit. It was a test to check the throw weight of its missile. It did that job.

172 CIA Reject  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #148 Honorary Yooper

One of the hallmarks of an ineffectual organization is the tendency to avoid solving difficult problems by ascribing failure to easily solved "problems". Unfortunately I think that is what is happening, at least in part, to the GOP today.

173 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:35:46am

re: #160 avanti

Levi is in deep shit with Plain this week. He's on the talk shows claiming he had "mostly" safe sex, and that Sarah knew he was doing her daughter. The MSN is giving Levi his 10 minutes, I hope he does not have pictures.

If I were Todd Palin, I'd kick his ass.

174 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #167 Dianna

It's not just the idiocy. It's the freakin' misogyny!

To be clear, the misogyny I can do without. It does immediately let us know where his mind is at though.

175 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:36:30am

re: #117 Occasional Reader

So, in a similar vein, having read through Gates' speech from yesterday, I can find at least one proposed cut that maybe I can agree with:

"We will not pursue a development program for a follow-on Air Force bomber until we have a better understanding of the need, the requirement, and the technology."

Frankly, I was not even aware such a program existed. But I'm thinking the B-2 is already so far ahead of anyone else, and so mission-capable for the forseeable future, that coming up with the next generation bomber is probably not an urgent need. I'd be interested in hearing other folks' thoughts.

A replacement is needed for the B-52 fleet. The B-2's mission overlaps a little with the B-52, but we have nothing coming that will be able to put ordnance on target in the quantities that the B-52 can. It is a gap in our strategic arsenal that we know is coming and needs to be filled, and now is the time to start that process. Waiting will only turn the problem into a crisis similar to the tanker situation we are facing now. Also, the B-2s have been operation for 20 years now, which means that they were designed 30-35 years ago, their technology is aging and advantages fading.

176 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:36:54am

re: #160 avanti

I didn't want to know that.

That sort of detail is only of interest to other hippapotomi.

177 Sheepdogess  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:01am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

If I were Sarah I'd kick his ass.

178 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:07am

re: #143 LGoPs

Agreed. Missile defense also fits the Lefts radical egalitarian mindset since it by definition defends everybody, equally. The only explanation can be that these people honestly, truly don't want America defended. They want America vulnerable. And of course that's because we deserve to be vulnerable since we're the source of so much evil in the world.
Only the last part of that is sarcastic.

It maybe the L^3 mindset that by increasing our stockpiles of anti-ballistic missiles the other side side will try to produce more missiles than we can defend against. In short another arms race which does nothing but destroy the L^3's favorite country's economy. I can see why the economy and military are couple notches down on their list of priorities.

179 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:22am

re: #166 Honorary Yooper

It is supposed to protect the rights of the states (and even the people) from the federal government. It gets invoked from time to time.

Sure hope all the states are brave enough to invoke it as the grip of the executive branch clenches around them...

180 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:23am

You know, I think I am kind of wound up. It might have something to do with reading the kids' history textbook about the Great Depression yesterday.

I don't want to go through another Great Depression, but I feel like we have a president who is both wrong-headed and ignorant about economic matters. My parents got drug face-down and lengthwise through the 80's recession, and I never wanted my children to have to go through that. So far we are doing okay, but I think a lot of people are feeling fearful about the future, and worse, powerless.

I have to remind myself that the sun is still shining, my kids will be okay, and chocolate still tastes really good. The Great Depression was followed by, economically, some great times, and the 80's recession was followed by a great economic time. Best yet, I still live in America.

181 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

Yes, I did. IIRC, as Lawhawk pointed out above, she did make mention of it during the campaign. However, the media was very quick to tar her with the image of "stupid bimbo" as fast as they could roll it out. There also has not been much talk of missile defense until Obama decided we did not need it recently.

182 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:45am

re: #175 CyanSnowHawk

What ever happened to the B-1B?

183 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:37:58am

re: #171 lawhawk

They built a missile that goes 2,000 miles. That's good enough to hit American interests in South Korea, Japan, and could potentially hit Hawaii or Alaska. I do not believe that it was meant to send a satellite into orbit. It was a test to check the throw weight of its missile. It did that job.

Can it be launched from a ship? that could/would change everything, no?

184 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:38:22am

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.

185 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:38:55am

What's the difference? Palin isn't going to smell the nomination in 2012 or 2016. She.Is.Over.Rated.

186 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

If I were Todd Palin, I'd kick his ass.

re: #177 Sheepdogess

If I were Sarah I'd kick his ass.

Why do you think he is doing this stuff? He is just using it as an excuse to get out of Alaska.
/

187 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:36am

re: #135 CLLRusso

You know guys, this is not the first time the Dems and liberals have tried to stop missile defense. A billion years ago during the Reagan years, they were wringing their hands over the cost and the provocation of "Star Wars" toward Russia. Now we have the Islamic crazies threatening everyone in sight with Nukes, etc., and Obama wants again to weaken our defenses. Do liberals have some kind of death wish? If so I wish they would leave this country and offer themselves up to Iran, et al., in some uninhabited place. Or if they believe they are so correct thinking they should be willing to do the same, to PROVE it to us disbelievers.

Back then, they said that Star Wars couldn't protect us from the Russians (it probably would have let some missiles through, and have been very expensive, but the research has been very valuable.) Besides, the Soviets weren't crazy. Their leaders didn't want to lose their nice positions of power to rule over a radioactive wasteland, so MAD worked.
And, at the time, there were no states with a low enough number of missiles that missile defense would have been effective enough against.

Today, we have two such states, very close to being able to launch nuclear missiles. And at least one of them would welcome martyrdom. Missile defense is far more useful now than in the Reagan days.

Yet despite the existence of threats just like what the Dems said would be valid reasons to deploy missile defense, they still don't want it.
That shows they just don't want defense, and the "reasoning" was just an excuse.

188 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:39am

re: #182 ConservatismNow!

B1-b lancer

189 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

If I were Todd Palin, I'd kick his ass.

Hell yea. That boy needs to learn what the word respect means. Wall to wall counciling would do him a bit of good.

190 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:55am

re: #171 lawhawk

They built a missile that goes 2,000 miles. That's good enough to hit American interests in South Korea, Japan, and could potentially hit Hawaii or Alaska. I do not believe that it was meant to send a satellite into orbit. It was a test to check the throw weight of its missile. It did that job.

My feeling is that the Nork launch was wildly successful... They did what they wanted to... Iran now knows what the missiles are capable of...

191 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:39:58am

re: #174 coquimbojoe

To be clear, the misogyny I can do without. It does immediately let us know where his mind is at though.

You're being reasonable, and I appreciate that. I'm just in a bad mood. I sometimes felt that Palin suffered more because she's good looking than because of any substantive position.

192 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:08am

I must be fucking senile
I remember her mentioning the missle defense capacity during the campaign

the media just ignored it

but let's pile on another Republican this week anyway

193 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:34am

re: #168 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OT in the midst of things here ...

Hi there! Haven't seen you in awhile.
I gather you were in a job search. How's it going?

Were is the wrong tense.
I'm either overqualified or underqualified or do not have all 25 items experience required in the job description.

Example: A local company is looking for somebody that knows electronic hardware, sensors, high-level programming language (C/C++), scripting languages, embedded/firmware experience, knowledge and use of SQL databases, wireless technology, and experience with coordinating Engineering and QA departments.
I don't qualify because Perl, PHP, etc are scripting languages, but they specifically want Python.

194 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:39am

re: #42 Occasional Reader
Same here - I think this is the first time I've downdinged a thread.
BTW, do you (or ANY OF Y'ALL) know this fellow,
John McKittrick ? By know, I mean ever read his blog before?!

195 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #189 x-wing

Hell yea. That boy needs to learn what the word respect means. Wall to wall counciling would do him a bit of good.

Your mindset changes when you become a parent. At least is is supposed to.
I guess his didn't.

196 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #185 Capt. Queeg

What's the difference? Palin isn't going to smell the nomination in 2012 or 2016. She.Is.Over.Rated.

So is President Obama... So was Senator Obama...

197 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #184 Charles

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.

But we're not savaging McKittrick; we're savaging Space Jesus and the MSM. Or, at least I am.

198 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #175 CyanSnowHawk

A replacement is needed for the B-52 fleet. The B-2's mission overlaps a little with the B-52, but we have nothing coming that will be able to put ordnance on target in the quantities that the B-52 can. It is a gap in our strategic arsenal that we know is coming and needs to be filled, and now is the time to start that process. Waiting will only turn the problem into a crisis similar to the tanker situation we are facing now. Also, the B-2s have been operation for 20 years now, which means that they were designed 30-35 years ago, their technology is aging and advantages fading.

You may be thinking of the B-1 Lancer; the B-2 became fully operational in 1997.

In the past, other ideas have been floated, like using modified 747s to carry cruise missiles.

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #183 brookly red

Can it be launched from a ship? that could/would change everything, no?

A shipboard launch system is FAR more complex that what the NKs have now. Yes, they probably could launch it from a ship, as is, but accuracy would be plus-or-minus half the Pacific Ocean.

200 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #184 Charles

One issue that I have with his post is the whole "if they had only listened to me" tone of it. I don't claim to know anything about his history, but that seems rather arrogant to me.

201 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #171 lawhawk

They built a missile that goes 2,000 miles. That's good enough to hit American interests in South Korea, Japan, and could potentially hit Hawaii or Alaska. I do not believe that it was meant to send a satellite into orbit. It was a test to check the throw weight of its missile. It did that job.

That is all they need. North Korea is not looking to dominate the world, they just want their "share" of the pie in S.E. Asia. 2,000 miles is plenty of range for what they want.

Granted they think their share of the pie is pretty much all of S.E. Asia, but thats for a different thread.

202 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:08am

re: #183 brookly red

They don't need a missile, the Japanese floated paper balloons across the pacific in WW2.

BBL

203 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:16am

I think what makes me so mad about the Palin stories is that she is the Governor of Alaska. She is not the VP. Her foes - on the left and the right - won a decisive victory there; good for y'all, you mashed her into the ground but good. To continue to bash her and trash her family is beyond political discourse. It's vindictive meaness.

If you want to trash a Governor on real policy, go after Arnold! Fer cryin' out loud, everyday brings a fresh outrage against taypaying citizens.

204 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:26am

re: #192 Adrenalyn

I must be fucking senile
I remember her mentioning the missle defense capacity during the campaign

the media just ignored it

but let's pile on another Republican this week anyway

Link?

And relax.

205 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:36am

For anyone not listening to Rush, he's playing a soundbite of obama speaking for nearly two minutes, and saying absolutely nothing!

How can anyone seriously believe he is a great speaker!

206 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:38am

re: #184 Charles

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.

To me it goes back to my feeling that the McCain campaign was jealous of the media attention of Sarah Palin right away...

207 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:56am

re: #177 Sheepdogess

If I were Sarah I'd kick his ass.

Either one of them could. I'm sure Levi is being well-paid.

208 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:57am

re: #191 Dianna

You're being reasonable, and I appreciate that. I'm just in a bad mood. I sometimes felt that Palin suffered more because she's good looking than because of any substantive position.

Very possible, but then again, the media also did their damnest to injure Hillary Clinton's campaign. I think the media is just misogynistic while being hypocritical about it.

209 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #183 brookly red

Launching that kind of a missile from a ship is no easy task. It's a liquid fueled rocket and requires significant preparation time. It is far more difficult to handle than solid rocket boosters. It could be done, but it would be extremely difficult to prep without detection.

210 LionofDixon  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:06am

She's been busy.....pulling that knife out of her back that McCain and his inept campaign staff planted there.

In toto, the McCain campaign was a disaster....incompetent, arrogant, out-of-touch....save one bright spot....Palin. He would have done much worse if Palin hadn't fired up the base.

McCain is a great American, but a lousy Senator and an even worse Presidential contender. He needs to retire and go quietly, now that his heart has been broken by the NY Times and other MSM.

211 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:08am

I would trust Sarah Heath Palin with our national security any day of the week over Barack Hussein O'Bama.

Obama
1. First phone call as POTUS was to Mahmoud Abbas
2. First interview as POTUS was to an Arabic newspaper
3. Sends $925 million to Gaza run by Hamas
4. Totally blows off the IDF chief of staff when he came for a visit to discuss Iran
5. Constantly refers to Iran as "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
6. Thinks our relations with Britain are no different then any other nation
7. Thinks "Austrian" is the language of Austria

I can't stand the guy and if this gets me banned for having ODS, it gets me banned.

212 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:14am

re: #205 rightside

For anyone not listening to Rush, he's playing a soundbite of obama speaking for nearly two minutes, and saying absolutely nothing!

How can anyone seriously believe he is a great speaker!

Is that what that was?

I thought I had my white noise machine on again

213 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:18am

Palin gives the media and "moderates" a distraction from the incompetence of the Obama administration. It will happen even after she retires, well into her old age. Her children and family will continue to provide distraction no matter what they do.

At this point, she's running one of the tightest ships of any Governor, but we're hearing about her daughter's ex-boyfriend's interview with the Tyra Banks.

Well done.

214 FrogMarch  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:18am

re: #170 Sheepdogess

How Obama Got Elected

Which one of these morons are you?

the future of our republic is in the hands of these voters.
hope and change.

215 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:20am

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I only ask cause of the EMP thing...

216 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #184 Charles

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.

The enemy is the media and the filter that they use to downplay and diffuse the message of the side they disagree with. I don't think it matters what she would have said in this case. The media was intent on 'instructing' the American people on the cost of her wardrobe and the details of her daughters pregnancy. They did this by endless repetition and the lesson sunk in.
The media is the enemy.

217 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #212 Shug

LOL, I did too, but it must be on the fritz!

218 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:52am

re: #184 Charles

I have to agree, the McCain campaign made the conscious choice to dumb-down their message and avoid some strong issues. Palin's first couple of speeches were much stronger, then the campaign sat her down and made her follow the prepared script. Who's stupid idea was it to let Katie Couric interview her in that edited serial sand-bagging format?

We all know what happened after that.

219 kingkenrod  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:42:57am

Palin is speaking up because less missile defense means less federal money for her state. Governors universally do this every time the defense dept starts to threaten budgets.

As far as Palin during the campaign, it's well known everything she said was controlled by McCain handlers. She went off-script with the "pal around with terrorists" line and got slapped around for it.

220 Unakite  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:01am

re: #166 Honorary Yooper

It is supposed to protect the rights of the states (and even the people) from the federal government. It gets invoked lip service from time to time.

FIFY

221 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:03am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

This Gates guy is really pissing me off. What a short-sighted, unimaginative buffoon. Won't even make a case for missile defense. Where did Bush find this idiot?

I'm mostly impressed in a good way by Gates, and will cut him a break on this - he's fronting for Obama, after all, it's his job. On some issues, including the F-22, he may even expect to lose, and might be happier if he does so.

222 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:09am

re: #193 jwb7605

Were is the wrong tense.
I'm either overqualified or underqualified or do not have all 25 items experience required in the job description.

Example: A local company is looking for somebody that knows electronic hardware, sensors, high-level programming language (C/C++), scripting languages, embedded/firmware experience, knowledge and use of SQL databases, wireless technology, and experience with coordinating Engineering and QA departments.
I don't qualify because Perl, PHP, etc are scripting languages, but they specifically want Python.

And then they'll hire someone on an H-1B who has even less experience than you, but he'll work for cheap.

223 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:09am

re: #185 Capt. Queeg

I don't really care. I'm not doing another four-year campaign.

224 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:10am

re: #142 ConservatismNow!

That's not offensive enough. Channel your inner Winfield Scott. Invade Mexico.

Why would we want to do that?

Oh yeah, they have oil fields that we haven't forbidden the exploitation of with legislation yet.

225 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:15am

You know, I grow very weary of this kind of bashing.

Sarah Palin is an outstanding governor, and a skilled and capable politician. She was more than qualified for the VP nomination and she deserved a hell of a lot more respect from her peers than the GOP gave her.

I'm not sure who has been more insulting to Mrs. Palin, the "Caribou-Barbie" mysongenists on the left or the drooling idiots on the right who were more interested in her tits and legs than they were in her political credentials, but aren't honest enough to admit it.

Mrs.Palin is one of the brightest and most talented women that we currently have on the American political scene, and I sincerely hope that she tells her critics on both the left and the right to go f*ck themselves and takes another shot at National politics.

I also hope that this time she doesn't let anyone hold her back or tell her what she can and cannot say, or do.

Her only fault in my opinion, was not being properly prepared for the snake pit of National politics and the mysogenistic vipers in the MSM, and her GOP handlers were more to blame for that than she was.

The real tragedy here is that she's an incredibly intelligent woman who was made to look like an empty-headed bimbo by the very same people who should have been lauding her leadership experience and giving her an uncensored microphone. She was humiliated in the national theatre because the GOP was more interested in using her to pander to the religious right.

I sincerely doubt that she's going to allow anything like that to happen to her, ever again. Nor should she. She's going to run on her own terms next time, and hers alone.

226 Salem  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:26am

It really disgusts me about Palin polishing the arab world's knob the other day, thanking them for their cultural contribution to America and the world.

Oh, wait. That was Obomber...

227 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #193 jwb7605

Were is the wrong tense.
I'm either overqualified or underqualified or do not have all 25 items experience required in the job description.

Example: A local company is looking for somebody that knows electronic hardware, sensors, high-level programming language (C/C++), scripting languages, embedded/firmware experience, knowledge and use of SQL databases, wireless technology, and experience with coordinating Engineering and QA departments.
I don't qualify because Perl, PHP, etc are scripting languages, but they specifically want Python.

I hear you! I'm in the same boat.
(OEM, circuit-level, hdwr design & test equip. engrg tech)

228 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:48am

re: #196 tfc3rid

That may be true, but IMO Obama has 10x the politcal talent.

229 CIA Reject  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:51am

re: #205 rightside

For anyone not listening to Rush, he's playing a soundbite of obama speaking for nearly two minutes, and saying absolutely nothing!

How can anyone seriously believe he is a great speaker!

You try to speak for two minutes and say absolutely nothing - it ain't easy! :)

230 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:43:58am

re: #117 Occasional Reader

So, in a similar vein, having read through Gates' speech from yesterday, I can find at least one proposed cut that maybe I can agree with:

"We will not pursue a development program for a follow-on Air Force bomber until we have a better understanding of the need, the requirement, and the technology."

Frankly, I was not even aware such a program existed. But I'm thinking the B-2 is already so far ahead of anyone else, and so mission-capable for the forseeable future, that coming up with the next generation bomber is probably not an urgent need. I'd be interested in hearing other folks' thoughts.

I think it was only a study group of sorts anyway

231 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:44:17am

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There is no ship out there that I am aware of that could launch such a huge missile.

232 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:44:53am

re: #184 Charles

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.

Upstream, Kilgore commented on a lot of us getting pretty sensitive lately.
I replied here.
If you think I "savaged" you, welcome to the sensitivity club.

233 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A shipboard launch system is FAR more complex that what the NKs have now. Yes, they probably could launch it from a ship, as is, but accuracy would be plus-or-minus half the Pacific Ocean.

It's not like they're trying to target specific locations, like the Soviets were. If they managed to hit the desert, they'd have 0bama offering them anything they want.

All they have to do is get close enough to hit somewhere in the US.

BTW, when 0 meets Kim Jong Il, think he'll give him a DVD of "Team America"?

234 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:45:18am

re: #185 Capt. Queeg

What's the difference? Palin isn't going to smell the nomination in 2012 or 2016. She.Is.Over.Rated.

She might not even be governor of Alaska after the next election. She's having some popularity problems.

235 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #225 Irish Rose

I hope she joins the Modern Whig Party.

www.ModernWhig.org

236 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #203 Russkilitlover

If you want to trash a Governor on real policy, go after Arnold! Fer cryin' out loud, everyday brings a fresh outrage against taypaying citizens.

To paraphrase his fellow "Austrian speakers" Hans und Franz,
"Ve are only here to...tax your ahss!"

237 jill e  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:45:50am

Question: What is America's first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?

Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.
Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard

Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

238 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:01am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

She might not even be governor of Alaska after the next election. She's having some popularity problems.

I's still like to sleep with her if that means anything?

239 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:04am

re: #228 Capt. Queeg

That may be true, but IMO Obama has 10x the politcal talent.

You don't know that for sure...

240 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:06am

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]


even the LA Times recognized her role in defense during the election

why, oh why
is this "news" ?

241 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:08am

re: #113 Right mind left

I just look at Palin and have a very sad sense that all of America has been had. I don't care about her irritating religious views but see that there is more of her that is bound to do the right thing than 3/4 of those in DC. We need more with the basic ethics that she represents - fiscal responsibility, unapologetic demand for rational use of resources, courageous standing against terrorists and all who wish to do harm ...

Excellent!

242 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:20am

re: #229 CIA Reject

I know! I instruct for a living, and those who can do that, do not know what they are talking about, so they use 'filler' and verbal connectors, i.e., umms, oh's, uhhh's

243 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:41am

re: #184 Charles

McKittrick is not your enemy, people. And he's not Sarah Palin's enemy either. He was disappointed that she didn't respond more strongly to the attacks from the Obama side and the media, and explains why he feels that way.

And I agree with him. It's just one way the McCain-Palin campaign dropped the ball. It makes no sense at all to start savaging anybody who criticizes that.


I agree with you and knew back when she was announced that she was strong. But, she was muzzled for some reason or another. THAT was the mistake, and the Dems took full advantage with a media blitz against her, against Joe the Plumber, against any standing in the way - and they manipulated the @#$ out of it - to downplay competence, to put the white noise as voice over for any strong arguments she was making. She drew crowds that they downplayed as well. It was painful.

Here is the edification:
[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:43am

re: #231 rightside

There is no ship out there that I am aware of that could launch such a huge missile.

I didn't know how large it was.
Guess my point was dealing with the gyro platform & stuff.

245 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:46am

re: #238 Nevergiveup

I's still like to sleep with her if that means anything?

I'm sure Todd would have a problem with that

246 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:46:54am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

She might not even be governor of Alaska after the next election. She's having some popularity problems.

And if that happens the media win again... They must be stopped...

247 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #231 rightside

There is no ship out there that I am aware of that could launch such a huge missile.

If the ship closed the distance to the target would the missile need to be so huge? just asking...

248 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:18am

re: #227 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hear you! I'm in the same boat.
(OEM, circuit-level, hdwr design & test equip. engrg tech)

Unstated is the other thing we have in common: we both remember Harry Truman.

249 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:22am

re: #218 Kenneth

We all know that the freaking Maverick camp led by that creep and pseudo Democrat (and Kathleen Parker wannabe), Nicole Wallace was behind the Palin lies (such as "She did not know that Africa was a continent") that that fucker Carl Cameron of Fox news spread. I hate the idiot primary voters who gave us John McCain.

250 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:39am

re: #211 Joel

I would trust Sarah Heath Palin with our national security any day of the week over Barack Hussein O'Bama.

Obama
1. First phone call as POTUS was to Mahmoud Abbas
2. First interview as POTUS was to an Arabic newspaper
3. Sends $925 million to Gaza run by Hamas
4. Totally blows off the IDF chief of staff when he came for a visit to discuss Iran
5. Constantly refers to Iran as "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
6. Thinks our relations with Britain are no different then any other nation
7. Thinks "Austrian" is the language of Austria

I can't stand the guy and if this gets me banned for having ODS, it gets me banned.

Add this one:
Obama calls on Jews to 'see the perspective of the Palestinians'
Excuse me while I take his advice and blow myself up.
/on the last line.

251 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:42am

re: #180 EmmmieG
Huh. I don't have to read any (more) history books about the "Great" Depression. My mom lived through the first one and I'm very sad for her (and of course other folks) who have to see and worry about this recession.
The very first time I ever heard Mom use "impolite" language was when she discovered that Obama's proposed budget has a built in $1.5 TRILLION deficit.
Then she wondered if we could budget the same way and I hadda tell her no, we don't own any legal currency printing presses!

252 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #245 ConservatismNow!

I'm sure Todd would have a problem with that

Well I was talking hypothetically. A guy can dream can't he?

253 CIA Reject  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #242 rightside

Yup!

254 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:47:57am

We can argue about the merits of Gov. Palin all day long, but unless we convince the GOP that it was their screw-up that let the MSM have its own way, we will see this repeated. How many of us were furious at the 2006 elections, but stayed supportive through 2008? IMHO, we did not kick enough GOP backside to fix the problem. If a drubbing like we took in 2008 isn't enough to justify some friendly fire, then what will ever make the party change?

My own stance, serving faithfully under President Obama, is that I will work within my own party to effect change. I genuinely hope for President Obama's success in his endeavors, and I hope he doesn't embark on a bunch of programs that I don't like.

My own party, however, needs its ass kicked, and by Conservatives. Oh, wait, that happened twice in a row now. And still they look outside the party for when the blamestorming begins.

255 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:15am

re: #197 Dianna

But we're not savaging McKittrick; we're savaging Space Jesus and the MSM. Or, at least I am.

McKittrick's headline deserves to be savaged. It's false and inflammatory.

256 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:33am

re: #239 tfc3rid

What I do know is that one of them now resides at 1600 PA Ave.

(I voted for McCain.)

257 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:35am

re: #195 Shug

Your mindset changes when you become a parent. At least is is supposed to.
I guess his didn't.

Such a shame these days. If I were Levis' father, I'd personally whoop his ass.

258 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #189 x-wing

Hell yea. That boy needs to learn what the word respect means. Wall to wall counciling would do him a bit of good.

More like bouncing-off-the-walls counseling. I have three daughters, and I wouldn't put up with that shit.

259 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

She might not even be governor of Alaska after the next election. She's having some popularity problems.

She will be re-elected more certainly then my idiot Governor David Paterson will be or Mr. Hopey McChange.

260 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #194 realwest

Same here - I think this is the first time I've downdinged a thread.
BTW, do you (or ANY OF Y'ALL) know this fellow,
John McKittrick ? By know, I mean ever read his blog before?!

I've linked to his blog several times. He's extremely knowledgeable about missile defense and his posts have been quite popular here -- until he dared to criticize Palin.

261 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #244 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't know how large it was.
Guess my point was dealing with the gyro platform & stuff.

No worries, as James Earl Jones said in Hunt for Red October, "Big son of bitch".

262 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:49:06am

Is it just me or can the rest of you not use the karma function at this moment.

263 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:49:10am

"Human destiny will be what we make of it. Here, in Prague, let us honour our past by reaching for a better future." - BHO

Such eloquent gibberish!

264 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:49:20am

re: #255 kynna

McKittrick's headline deserves to be savaged. It's false and inflammatory.

No, it's not false and inflammatory.
It's poorly researched.

265 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:49:23am

re: #256 Capt. Queeg

What I do know is that one of them now resides at 1600 PA Ave.

(I voted for McCain.)

Yes and in my opinion he is there because of the media and massive voter fraud and the denigration of the American educational system.

266 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:49:56am

Good Afternoon Professor Faulkin

267 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:05am

oops, my computer is at it again

268 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:06am

re: #236 Colonel Panik

To paraphrase his fellow "Austrian speakers" Hans und Franz,
"Ve are only here to...tax your ahss!"

When the tax collector leaves after taking all your money, he says:
"Ahlll be back!"

269 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:14am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

If your only proof of that (I don't actually care, I'm just being pissy) is the article about her mentally ill sister in law, you have a problem.

270 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:14am

re: #202 Ojoe

They don't need a missile, the Japanese floated paper balloons across the pacific in WW2.

BBL

Yes, and they demolished our western industrial capaci--oh, nevermind.

271 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:17am

re: #262 big steve

Is it just me or can the rest of you not use the karma function at this moment.

not a problem for me, I just updinged you

(you owe me one now)

272 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:34am

re: #260 Charles

I've linked to his blog several times. He's extremely knowledgeable about missile defense and his posts have been quite popular here -- until he dared to criticize Palin.

I just think he was trying to make the point that Sarah Palin, as a governor who has a mjor role to play in the Missile Defense network, should be leading the charge against it...

She should be and I think she will be.

273 Salem  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:35am

Okay, I get it. Guess I'll just watch and learn.

274 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:39am

re: #243 Right mind left

I agree with you and knew back when she was announced that she was strong. But, she was muzzled for some reason or another. THAT was the mistake, and the Dems took full advantage with a media blitz against her, against Joe the Plumber, against any standing in the way - and they manipulated the @#$ out of it - to downplay competence, to put the white noise as voice over for any strong arguments she was making. She drew crowds that they downplayed as well. It was painful.

Here is the edification:
[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's.

She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

McCain's people didn't want her to outshine him, or take off the gloves, since McCain wouldn't.

275 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:46am

re: #255 kynna

McKittrick's headline deserves to be savaged. It's false and inflammatory.

I agree, and it is a dis-service to the article. However, McKittrick may not have chosen the actual headline. Does anyone know how these headlines get chosen? Is it by the writer or the editor?

276 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:50:51am

re: #22 spacejesus

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

I don't understand this. Can someone translate into Austrian?

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #251 realwest

Huh. I don't have to read any (more) history books about the "Great" Depression. My mom lived through the first one and I'm very sad for her (and of course other folks) who have to see and worry about this recession.
The very first time I ever heard Mom use "impolite" language was when she discovered that Obama's proposed budget has a built in $1.5 TRILLION deficit.
Then she wondered if we could budget the same way and I hadda tell her no, we don't own any legal currency printing presses!

One of the things that the textbook said was that the children of the Great Depression were resourceful, tough kids. I have to agree-all four of my grandparents were just that.

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:27am

re: #248 jwb7605

Unstated is the other thing we have in common: we both remember Harry Truman.

I never knew Harry all that well, but I did drink with his mother quite a bit.

279 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #274 Ward Cleaver

McCain's people didn't want her to outshine him, or take off the gloves, since McCain wouldn't.

Yes and I recall the whole time we were screaming for McCain to toughen up...

280 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #184 Charles
Of course you're correct: McKittrick is not the enemy at all. I'd never heard of him until you posted that link.
But, for all the ball dropping that McCain and sometimes Palin did, it's still difficult for me to understand why the MSM dropped the ball(s) and kicked and dribbled them all over the place with regards to Obama and never seemed to notice!

281 Rexatosis  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:38am

I hate to state the obvious but it needs to be said, Vice-Presidential Candidates carry the water for the Presidential Candidate they are running with. The Presidential Candidate and his (or her) team selects the portfolio's (or issues) the V.P. Candidate will speak about, and venues and audiences the V.P. Candidate will speak in and to. This is why V.P. Biden was essentially exiled after the V.P. debate by Pres. Obama's campaign, so his screw-ups would be less notable. Gov. Palin spoke on the issues Sen. McCain and his team selected, at the venues Sen. McCain's team chose, and to the audiences Sen. McCain's team thought it was to their advantage she appear before. This is the way the system works. A V.P. Candidate who breaks ranks will have less influence than V.P. John Nance Garner's famed bucket of ..... Criticisms regarding what issues Gov. Palin failed to address during the campaign should be directed at Sen. McCain and his campaign staff, they made the choices just as Pres. Obama and his team did for their campaign.

282 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:51:58am

re: #210 LionofDixon

She's been busy.....pulling that knife out of her back that McCain and his inept campaign staff planted there.

In toto, the McCain campaign was a disaster....incompetent, arrogant, out-of-touch....save one bright spot....Palin. He would have done much worse if Palin hadn't fired up the base.

Hear, Hear!

283 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:52:27am

re: #182 ConservatismNow!

What ever happened to the B-1B?

I don't know that those were ever seriously considered for use as conventional bombers. IIRC, we have retired them.

284 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #261 rightside

No worries, as James Earl Jones said in Hunt for Red October, "Big son of bitch".

That North Korean ship? We think it blew up while fueling the missile.
No, none of our subs were in the area.

Plausible deniability

285 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:52:33am

re: #281 Rexatosis

Good point... Lest we forget, Joe Biden said that Obama was not fit to lead this country...

286 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #266 Shug

Good Afternoon Professor Faulkin

I think that NK actually does want to play a game of global thermonuclear warfare, now that they seem to be getting all of the pieces together.

287 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:52:45am

re: #265 tfc3rid

Voter fraud? Did that work the same way as when Bush stole FL in '00 and OH in '04. Please.

288 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:00am

re: #176 Dianna

I didn't want to know that.

That sort of detail is only of interest to other hippapotomi.

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

289 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:10am

re: #287 Capt. Queeg

Voter fraud? Did that work the same way as when Bush stole FL in '00 and OH in '04. Please.

We don't have ACORN.

290 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:16am

re: #231 rightside

There is no ship out there that I am aware of that could launch such a huge missile.

Let us give thanks for gravity, that makes it hard to lob stuff around the world.

But as for "ship", all they would need is a big barge, easy to build, that could be towed someplace. Or, any oil tanker, or large container ship.

Would that affect the missile's "accuracy"? Dunno. I suspect it affects mostly whether the missile will dump into the water, but anything going long distances and hitting a target needs to have in-flight adjustments. It's probably doable, if it matters. Because after all, put the warhead in a container and ship it to Long Beach, and voila, delivery. With a little luck, maybe Des Moines.

291 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:18am
292 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:37am

re: #211 Joel

I would trust Sarah Heath Palin with our national security any day of the week over Barack Hussein O'Bama.

Obama
1. First phone call as POTUS was to Mahmoud Abbas
2. First interview as POTUS was to an Arabic newspaper
3. Sends $925 million to Gaza run by Hamas
4. Totally blows off the IDF chief of staff when he came for a visit to discuss Iran
5. Constantly refers to Iran as "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
6. Thinks our relations with Britain are no different then any other nation
7. Thinks "Austrian" is the language of Austria

I can't stand the guy and if this gets me banned for having ODS, it gets me banned.

Which of these points were not true of his predecessor? About half, I'd say. Your point?

293 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:39am

re: #286 johnnyreb

I think that NK actually does want to play a game of global thermonuclear warfare, now that they seem to be getting all of the pieces together.

Yes, it would seem as though they wanted to, but it may be that they are the dealer rather than one of the players.

294 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:53:59am

re: #269 Dianna

No, there was a poll last week.

295 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #27 lawhawk

Compared to Obama (and Sarah Palin is not my number one choice for 2012), Sarah Palin is Winston Churchill./Georges Clemenceau combines.

296 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #279 tfc3rid

Yes and I recall the whole time we were screaming for McCain to toughen up...

We got nailed by a double whammy - the MSM and Hollywood were in the tank for Obama, and McCain wouldn't put up a fight. Screwed.

297 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:29am

re: #160 avanti

Levi is in deep shit with Plain this week. He's on the talk shows claiming he had "mostly" safe sex, and that Sarah knew he was doing her daughter. The MSN is giving Levi his 10 minutes, I hope he does not have pictures.

Whoooooooooo Caresssssssssssss ?

298 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:34am

re: #288 avanti

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

Amen to that.

299 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:42am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

We got nailed by a double whammy - the MSM and Hollywood were in the tank for Obama, and McCain wouldn't put up a fight. Screwed.

And then the economy tanked right around the time when McCain was starting to get close...

300 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:42am

re: #219 kingkenrod

Palin is speaking up because less missile defense means less federal money for her state. Governors universally do this every time the defense dept starts to threaten budgets.

Or maybe it's because she watched North Korea launch a FUCKING MISSILE THAT COULD REACH ALASKA and realized that missile defense is the best course for defending America.

301 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:48am

re: #260 Charles

I've linked to his blog several times. He's extremely knowledgeable about missile defense and his posts have been quite popular here -- until he dared to criticize Palin.

Nobodys' perfect.

302 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:54:48am

re: #289 tfc3rid

Then maybe we should have it's equivalent working for our agenda just like they work for theirs.

303 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #264 jwb7605

No, it's not false and inflammatory.
It's poorly researched.

End result being: false and inflammatory headline.

I, for one, an glad to see people defending Palin on this topic. But I'm sad to see that she is still a favorite whipping girl of the "moderates".

304 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:55:29am

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow


BTW, when 0 meets Kim Jong Il, think he'll give him a DVD of "Team America"?

Yes. A Region 1 disc that he burned after downloading a torrent.

305 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:55:48am

re: #290 itellu3times

Let us give thanks for gravity, that makes it hard to lob stuff around the world.

But as for "ship", all they would need is a big barge, easy to build, that could be towed someplace. Or, any oil tanker, or large container ship.

Would that affect the missile's "accuracy"? Dunno. I suspect it affects mostly whether the missile will dump into the water, but anything going long distances and hitting a target needs to have in-flight adjustments. It's probably doable, if it matters. Because after all, put the warhead in a container and ship it to Long Beach, and voila, delivery. With a little luck, maybe Des Moines.

Imagine what one nuke in Long Beach or the Port of LA would do to the US economy. And the Chinese economy.
I don't think we have other ports to take up the slack, or the rail capacity from the other ports.

306 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:55:53am

re: #295 Joel

Compared to Obama (and Sarah Palin is not my number one choice for 2012), Sarah Palin is Winston Churchill./Georges Clemenceau combines.

Would you believe Margaret Thatcher/Joan of Arc?

307 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #281 Rexatosis

Exactly.

308 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #305 Kosh's Shadow

Imagine what one nuke in Long Beach or the Port of LA would do to the US economy. And the Chinese economy.

Heh.

309 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow

It's not like they're trying to target specific locations, like the Soviets were. If they managed to hit the desert, they'd have 0bama offering them anything they want.

All they have to do is get close enough to hit somewhere in the US.

BTW, when 0 meets Kim Jong Il, think he'll give him a DVD of "Team America"?

F Yeah!

310 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #290 itellu3times

Let us give thanks for gravity, that makes it hard to lob stuff around the world.

But as for "ship", all they would need is a big barge, easy to build, that could be towed someplace. Or, any oil tanker, or large container ship.

Would that affect the missile's "accuracy"? Dunno. I suspect it affects mostly whether the missile will dump into the water, but anything going long distances and hitting a target needs to have in-flight adjustments. It's probably doable, if it matters. Because after all, put the warhead in a container and ship it to Long Beach, and voila, delivery. With a little luck, maybe Des Moines.

I launched surface to air missiles in the Navy, and although it's physically possible to launch something that size from a platform, the platform would have to be so ginormous, it wouldn't even be funny.

When we launched, initial position of the missile in 3D space were sent to it, and course corrections are made during flight.

311 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:38am

Agreed, she should have played this up much more.

However, being that she is the one thing that is inexcusable to the media - a republican, pro-life woman, I doubt speaking up earlier would have saved her from the ravages of SNL, or MSNBC for that matter.

312 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:45am

re: #191 Dianna

You're being reasonable, and I appreciate that. I'm just in a bad mood. I sometimes felt that Palin suffered more because she's good looking than because of any substantive position.

Isn't it interesting that she was targeted for her looks, while the media swooned over Obama's. Stereotypes run deep. They are on display with our leftist media even though they would be shocked to hear that they were being that way.re: #306 itellu3times

Would you believe Margaret Thatcher/Joan of Arc?

Will there be any nudity on horseback?

313 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #288 avanti

Again, none of my business.

314 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:00am

re: #275 Honorary Yooper

I agree, and it is a dis-service to the article. However, McKittrick may not have chosen the actual headline. Does anyone know how these headlines get chosen? Is it by the writer or the editor?

The headline repeats in his own words in the first paragraph. It's his own poor research on display, not some lame headline writer (of which, I admit, there are many!).

315 yesandno  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:04am

I think Palin was not well versed in foreign policy....few Gov. are. Doesn't mean they don't learn, or that they don't have a view of what America is. That is the problem...we look for people who "have a view" on the politics of N. Korea or Iran or whatever, and they develop views and sound bites based upon party politics.

Someone first steeped in American culture, American Ideals can truly formulate policies in the Foreign sector that reflect American interests, not European attitudes or fear of insulting the rest of the world because we are American. Palin would have had to learn a bit...but I doubt she would have been any more naive then POTUS now is.

Secondly, the Reps were attempting to react to domestic economic policies and there were many subjects not discussed or researched in the media. There was too much emphasis on race then on security and how best to achieve it. Too much falling for the celebrity then dealing with practical solutions to security problems.

Maybe Palin should have said something, but she was the second on the ticket and the approved agendas were already out there....doesn't mean she isn't more then capable of dealing with it. I guess she is studying the world political scene and I bet the next time out, she will prove worthy. One day she might get the respect she has been denied so far...but not as long as "progressives" are in charge of the country.

316 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:21am

re: #292 haakondahl

My point is I do not appreciate gratuitous Palin bashing by pseudo conservatives. George Bush had a lot of faults but he could at least recognize evil and did not go around apologizing to a bunch of pampered ungrateful nations. For all her limitations I would rather be denizen of Palinland then Obamaville.

317 VioletTiger  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:29am

re: #274 Ward Cleaver

re: #279 tfc3rid

That's how I remember it.

318 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:30am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

No, there was a poll last week.

All right.

319 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:38am

re: #312 coquimbojoe

Will there be any nudity on horseback?

That's Lady Godiva.

320 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:39am

re: #288 avanti

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

I don't recall anyone parading him around as the perfect daddy. They merely talked about how he was doing the right thing by staying with and supporting the mother of his child. Maybe in the mind of a lib that connotes perfection, but most people just think that is living up to your responsibility. I think what we are seeing now is more a reaction to the attention that the MSM is piling on him. Someday he will regret agreeing to do these appearances.

321 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:57:57am

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown

Sarah Palin -- 3
Glenn Beck--17.5
Creationism-- 15
autism-- 25
baby zoo animals 0.004
supertankers--0.79

322 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #312 coquimbojoe

That was Lady Godiva, not St. Joan.

323 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:11am

re: #260 Charles Thanks Charles - I must have missed those posts; I don't recall missile defense being much of an issue during the campaign. Most folks were, I think understandably, much more concerned with the economy and their jobs.
And as much as I would like the GOP to get it's collective act together, I still don't see how it can overcome the MSM's bias towards Leftists these days. I'd even wager that Ronald Reagan, great communicator that he was, wouldn't be able to overcome the MSM.
It's one of the reasons I'm so grateful for littlegreenfootballs.

324 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:31am

re: #303 kynna

I, for one, an glad to see people defending Palin on this topic. But I'm sad to see that she is still a favorite whipping girl of the "moderates".

I'm a moderate, but I'm smart enough to know a talented conservative politician when I see one.

325 KenJen  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:43am

re: #288 avanti

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

To think they dressed up Obama-the empty suit-and paraded him as the perfect candidate, and now he's dumping on the United States. I know he'll take every dime out of our paychecks.

326 equable  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:44am

"Please! Let me talk to Mr McKittrick!, I gotta talk to him!"

"You can't talk to anybody, the FBI will be here any minute. Now do you gotta take a leak or not?"

Off topic of course but I was watching the movie that this quote originated from.

327 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:58:49am

re: #322 Dianna

That was Lady Godiva, not St. Joan.

I certainly hope he wasn't talking about Margaret Thatcher instead.

328 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:04am

re: #321 Shug

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown

Sarah Palin -- 3
Glenn Beck--17.5
Creationism-- 15
autism-- 25
baby zoo animals 0.004
supertankers--0.79

You forgot bowing to the Saudi King

329 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:18am

re: #320 Ford_Prefect

The best thing we can do is firmly ignore this situation. This is a private matter.

330 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:20am

re: #306 itellu3times

Would you believe Margaret Thatcher/Joan of Arc?

Thatcher - one of my favorite post World War II politicians. She must have been awful to work for (from what I read) but a courageous woman. The anti Gordon Brown.

331 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:22am

re: #326 equable

"Please! Let me talk to Mr McKittrick!, I gotta talk to him!"

"You can't talk to anybody, the FBI will be here any minute. Now do you gotta take a leak or not?"

Off topic of course but I was watching the movie that this quote originated from.

Hee hee.. "Wargames"

332 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:24am

re: #287 Capt. Queeg

You forgot your sarc mark right?

333 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:28am

From everything I have heard and read, it seems that McCain's people pretty much told Palin what to say and maybe what not to say also. She gave the same speech or a variation of her acceptance speech almost every time. To be honest I am not so sure how knowledgeable Palin was on national security issues, but she could have been coached and let loose. I know Obama didn't/doesn't know shit to this day about the Middle East, but nobody in the MSM seems to question his preparedness?

334 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:31am

re: #260 Charles

I've linked to his blog several times. He's extremely knowledgeable about missile defense and his posts have been quite popular here -- until he dared to criticize Palin.

He may be knowledgeable about missile defense, but then why is he bashing Palin the Governor of Alaska, with no budgetary control of missile defense. Would it not have been a stronger piece to go after the Obama administration's plans for American defense (or lack of it)?

Why harp on Palin?

335 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:31am

re: #328 big steve

You forgot bowing to the Saudi King

that's at least 20

336 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:59:37am

re: #309 haakondahl

Hey, haven't seen you around in awhile. Your avatar, is that from Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy?

337 Equable  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:05am

re: #331 Capt. Queeg

Hee hee.. "Wargames"

Well done!

338 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:08am

re: #310 rightside

I launched surface to air missiles in the Navy, and although it's physically possible to launch something that size from a platform, the platform would have to be so ginormous, it wouldn't even be funny.

Have you SEEN the big container ship lined up outside of LA/LB? The freakin' size of these things? They are physically and economically frightening. The ship and stacked containers standing I dunno a couple of hundred feet tall out of the water?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And there is no shortage of the things.

339 coquimbojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:22am

re: #312 coquimbojoe

Or was that Lady Godiva? (Certainly not Marge Thatcher).

340 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:32am

re: #305 Kosh's Shadow

Imagine what one nuke in Long Beach or the Port of LA would do to the US economy. And the Chinese economy.
I don't think we have other ports to take up the slack, or the rail capacity from the other ports.

Hmmm, I think you may be onto something here. I am going to let that rattle around in my brain for a bit and see what happens. We may not actually be the primary target fo rthe NK's.

341 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:33am

re: #289 tfc3rid

We don't have ACORN.


Bush didn't steal the election in 2000. Gore would've been POTUS if Florida Dems. weren't to stupid to vote correctly.

That still cracks me up.

342 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #292 haakondahl

Which of these points were not true of his predecessor? About half, I'd say. Your point?

'scuse me, is Bush still President ?

why does his name keep coming up

when the mention of Clinton was always met with

"Clinton is not President any more, shut up"

and it was a pretty durn good argument

why must the right keep attacking itself

343 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #321 Shug

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown

Sarah Palin -- 3
Glenn Beck--17.5
Creationism-- 15
autism-- 25
baby zoo animals 0.004
supertankers--0.79


Upding!
Why is Glenn Beck rated so low? I like him, and found out my nephew knows him (Beck likes country-western music, my nephew is a DJ)

344 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #291 Iron Fist
Uh, why do you think Obama wants someone to nuke an American city? I'll readily agree that his policies so far don't seem to make me confident in the defense of America, but that's a loooong way from saying Obama WANTS someone to nuke an American City.

345 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #288 avanti

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

On the bright side for the child being abandoned by your deadbeat father is presidential now. If only Levi had been a third world foreigner on a student visa.

//

346 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:00:55am

More embarrassing bullshit......

Bachmann: Obama Wants "Re-Education Camps For Young People" (AUDIO)

There are some edits in the audio but it seems real.

347 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:01:36am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

We got nailed by a double whammy - the MSM and Hollywood were in the tank for Obama, and McCain wouldn't put up a fight. Screwed.

McCain was a God awful candidate and frankly I am not certain that he even wanted to win. He had a 'hands-off' policy for Rev. Wright.

348 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:01:41am

re: #287 Capt. Queeg

Voter fraud? Did that work the same way as when Bush stole FL in '00 and OH in '04. Please.

Every major news organization went to Florida after the recounts and challenges ended and confirmed that Bush had in fact won. The same media that had dropped any pretense of being objective.
Yet the voter fraud idea remains as is evident by your statement. And I am firmly convinced that since the perception remains, the liberals have dropped any pretense of fair elections and feel fully justified to openly try to steal elections.
Which side is the one that wants same day regostration; that wants to flood the system with newly registered voters; that fights tooth and nail against attempts for voter ID?
And yet you say that Bush stole the election.

349 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #334 Russkilitlover

Why harp on Palin?

Because it's easier and more convenient to do that, than it is to practice a bit of political introspection and lay the blame where it really belongs.

350 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:00am

re: #344 realwest

Uh, why do you think Obama wants someone to nuke an American city? I'll readily agree that his policies so far don't seem to make me confident in the defense of America, but that's a loooong way from saying Obama WANTS someone to nuke an American City.


Alex, the answer is:

What is Martial Law ?

351 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #319 Honorary Yooper

That's Lady Godiva.

Lady Godiva was a freedom rider
She didn't care if the whole world looked
Joan of Arc with the Lord to guide her
She was a sister who really cooked

Isadora was the first bra-burder
Ain't you glad she showed up
And when the country was falling apart
Betsy Ross got it all sewed up

And then there's Maude

352 loppyd  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:19am

re: #333 Nevergiveup

From everything I have heard and read, it seems that McCain's people pretty much told Palin what to say and maybe what not to say also. She gave the same speech or a variation of her acceptance speech almost every time. To be honest I am not so sure how knowledgeable Palin was on national security issues, but she could have been coached and let loose. I know Obama didn't/doesn't know shit to this day about the Middle East, but nobody in the MSM seems to question his preparedness?

They did her a great disservice - and their campaign by extension.

353 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:31am

re: #319 Honorary Yooper

That's Lady Godiva.


I like her chocolate.

//

354 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #338 itellu3times


/don't worry... we know what is in every container, right?

355 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:02:50am

re: #338 itellu3times

I agree, one of two solutions is needed though. The center of the ship left empty, and the gantry attached to the keel, or, the gantry attached to the main deck, which would tip the ship over with a fueled missile.

I understand your point, but that type of missile is ground based for a reason!

BBIAB

356 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:02am

re: #332 Kenneth

You forgot your sarc mark right?

My opinion on voter fraud is that it's much more likely to occur on the left than on the right. As a rule, it fits their modes of engagement better. What I'm saying is that BHO won despite any shenanigans. Dems got their shit together big-time in '08. Ppl couldn't wait to vote for him.

357 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:34am

re: #343 jwb7605

Upding!
Why is Glenn Beck rated so low? I like him, and found out my nephew knows him (Beck likes country-western music, my nephew is a DJ)

just go and read any threads about Glenn Beck. Last one I remember there were 5 or 6 accounts blocked in a few hours

358 Sheepdogess  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:48am

Palin has the ONE THING that most DC politicians don't have and fear more than anything.

[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #17 Ford_Prefect

I will never understand why we would reduce missile defense. If you object to the idea of offensive weapons I can understand that. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But to cut defensive weapons just makes no sense. If you are anti war then a defensive weapon should be exactly what you want. It would be the perfect excuse to just hide behind the shield and not engage in any battles outside our country. What better answer is there for the left? I just don't get it.

I'm sure someone else may have answered you by now, but the reason why the left is against missile defense is because they want America & our allies vulnerable to a nuclear attack. They believe that an America safely behind a missile defense system will start nuking other nations with impunity.

360 Equable  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:54am

re: #338 itellu3times

Have you SEEN the big container ship lined up outside of LA/LB? The freakin' size of these things? They are physically and economically frightening. The ship and stacked containers standing I dunno a couple of hundred feet tall out of the water?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And there is no shortage of the things.

I live in Lakewood, which is really close to Long Beach. Sometimes I'll go to the harbor just to watch those behemoths lumber in. And every time I watch them I am completely shocked that nobody has used one or more of those containers for an attack on our beloved country.

Seeing as our border defense is as about as effective as a condom after an encounter with a cheese grater...

Sorry for the crude analogy, but these days it doesn't pay to mince words.

361 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:03:59am

Purple Mountain majesties. The Towerca, San Gabriel Mountains of California.

Sanity Break.

362 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #287 Capt. Queeg

Voter fraud? Did that work the same way as when Bush stole FL in '00 and OH in '04. Please.

I thought you were talking about Illinois 1960.

363 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:04:11am

re: #321 Shug

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown

Sarah Palin -- 3
Glenn Beck--17.5
Creationism-- 15
autism-- 25
baby zoo animals 0.004
supertankers--0.79

We had an open thread with a quote about atheism and got two trolls.

364 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:04:11am

re: #299 tfc3rid

And then the economy tanked right around the time when McCain was starting to get close...

Actually the economy tanked just after Mac took the lead over Obama for the first time.

Hmmmmmmmmm?

365 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:04:18am

re: #347 Joel

McCain was a God awful candidate and frankly I am not certain that he even wanted to win. He had a 'hands-off' policy for Rev. Wright.

The last time the Republican Party asked for a donation over the phone I told them "You will get my money as soon as you can find a candidate for a general election that is qualified to pee his way out of a paper bag."

366 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:05:03am

re: #357 Shug

just go and read any threads about Glenn Beck. Last one I remember there were 5 or 6 accounts blocked in a few hours

That's what I meant. He should be well over "+20". :-)

367 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #356 Capt. Queeg

And now they're going to find out that they weren't paying enough attention, and they're going to be very unhappy.

368 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:05:27am

re: #288 avanti

To think they dressed up levi in a suit and paraded him as the perfect daddy, and he's now dumping on his ex girlfriend. I hope they take every dime of his paycheck for child support.

Garnish every dime he makes from an interview. Maybe then he'll keep his stupid ass off TV.

It occurred to me that, aside from the dollar signs in his eyes, he may be pissed at Palin for not intervening when his mom went to the pokey. What good is knocking-up the Gov's daughter if she's not going to give your old lady a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card?

Frankly I think we should look at this loser as an example of how teenaged girls are not good life decision makers and, as such, should not be able to procure an abortion on demand and without parental consent. Can't even choose a decent boyfriend, so how are they going to know if they're prepared for an invasive procedure that involves termination and potentially harmful physical and emotional side effects?

369 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:05:32am

re: #334 Russkilitlover

He may be knowledgeable about missile defense, but then why is he bashing Palin the Governor of Alaska, with no budgetary control of missile defense. Would it not have been a stronger piece to go after the Obama administration's plans for American defense (or lack of it)?

Why harp on Palin?

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

370 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:05:55am

Obama just said it is time to transfer responsibility to the Iraqis? Haven't we been doing that? Hasn't Obama been briefed on that?

371 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:08am

re: #348 LGoPs

You misunderstand. I don't think Bush stole either election. But you can't scream "STOLEN!" just cuz your candidate loses.

I am a Republican and I do not vote for Democrats. Ever.

372 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:15am

Ralph Peters on Bob Gates from today's NY Post:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

I trust Peters' take ...

373 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:19am

re: #360 Equable

Seeing as our border defense is as about as effective as a condom after an encounter with a cheese grater...

Sorry for the crude analogy, but these days it doesn't pay to mince words.

I don't want to know how you learned about the effects of a cheeze grater on a condom.

374 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:42am

Mckittrick's off base here, or he didn't see the campaign speeches where Sara did refer to this role. I distinctly remember them.

375 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:55am

re: #3 bolivar

Is this pile on Palin week? I really am getting fed up with all this crap. Most of the crap is lies, distortions or out of context. They used every trick in the book and made up some new ones to crucify Sarah and I for am offended - does that make me qualified to sue for damages? I might be onto something here.

The Democrats want to bolster their image on the backs of controversial conservative figures. It didn't work so well with Rush Limbaugh, but they see Sarah Palin as an easy mark. They sucker-punched her in the campaign. Maybe they think she's still reeling from that. I doubt it. Now that she's knows what's coming, she's hitting back.

Go, Sarah. Go!

376 Claire  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:55am

I heard her talk about the defense system in Alaska a few times. I doubt she just figured out what it was for 48 hours ago. Could she have done a better job expressing her knowledge 8 months ago? Of course. Is she a fast learner about what is expected from her at this stage- looks like it.
Let's see.....
7/32's of an upding for McKittrick bringing up the subject. Keeps Palin current. And shows he's a concerned conservative.
13/32's of a down ding for McKittrick dissing her knowledge of the subject as if she hadn't ever talked about it, and really who WAS talking about the Norks 8 months ago? And his thanks a lot for losing us the election why couldn't you have been the more perfect human campaigning machine bitch attitude.
12/32's of an upding for posting it here- Palin is always a welcome topic to me because I like her, she has a lot of admirable qualities that slicker, more phony but better prepared for the spotlight talking head assholes in Congress don't have.

377 PAntera  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:06:57am

Does anyone here actually buy that this missile interceptor will shoot down Nork missiles? The chance of a Nork Taepedong-2 getting halfway to Alaska is about as likely a China recognizing Tibet as a country. The Norks miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and putting it on a working missile capable of reaching the US would be a greater achievement then Kim Jong-Il's 18 hole-in-ones.
It's obvious this is a missile defense against Russian missiles. This isn't to say I'm against missile defense against the Russians, its just the lying that bothers me.

378 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #341 x-wing

When all the votes were finally recounted, and assessed to the same criteria, Bush came out further ahead than the official count. The only was Gore would have captured Florida is if the various methods of qualifying votes were applied in the different counties as specified in the Democrat's law suit.

In other words, by rejecting the Gore teams methods for counting votes differently in one county than in another, the Supreme Court prevented Gore from stealing the election.

379 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #350 Adrenalyn

Alex, the answer is:

What is Martial Law ?

Can't happen in the US. Our country is simply too big for that to happen. It is physically impossible for the entire US military and all law enforcement branches to be able to control more than 10 major cities in a martial law scenario. Not to mention the entire countryside that is mostly red and heavily armed. Add in the fact that the people tasked to do it, may actually not do it for all sorts of reasons.

380 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #351 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Lady Godiva was a freedom rider
She didn't care if the whole world looked
Joan of Arc with the Lord to guide her
She was a sister who really cooked

Isadora was the first bra-burder
Ain't you glad she showed up
And when the country was falling apart
Betsy Ross got it all sewed up

And then there's Maude

Reminds me of the show - and Adrienne Barbeau.
I guess I just made this a boob thread.

381 loppyd  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:27am

re: #362 Joel

I thought you were talking about Illinois 1960.

{Joel}!

I have to run and pick up my big brother who loves Tom Brady so much he had to go and blow out his ACL and MCL and fracture his tibia for good measure. They just cut him loose from the hospital.

Oy!

Later!

382 Equable  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:28am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

Word.

Nobody is above reproach - that is, unless you're a liberal.

383 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #260 Charles

I've linked to his blog several times. He's extremely knowledgeable about missile defense and his posts have been quite popular here -- until he dared to criticize Palin.

Charles -

It truly would have been better had this issue been raised 8 months ago. Problem is 8 months ago it would have been seen as alarmist. Kind of like Churchill in the 1930's. I won't say that Governor Palin was chomping at the bit to raise this issue. She was certainly raising the energy dependence issue with great effect, starting well before her VP nomination. That too can be considered a "National Security" issue. If what you are saying is that Governor Palin is a politician who chooses her issues with a finger on the pulse of the electorate - the verdict is "Guilty." I would still prefer HER as our CIC considering some of the positions taken by Pres. Obama's Administration on National Defense. Bottom line is, we get one President at a time and on issues of foreign affairs we can only hope for the best while they serve.

-S-

384 Equable  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:08:12am

re: #373 DaddyG

I don't want to know how you learned about the effects of a cheeze grater on a condom.

How do you think I got here?

385 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:08:18am

re: #369 Charles

It wasn't McKittrick's article I had a problem with, though I didn't much care for the "why didn't they listen to me?" tone. Mostly because I think pretty much any one of us here could have run a more effective campaign than McCain's people did.

386 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #368 kynna

In re your last paragraph, instead, the left will look at it as a reason why the girl should have gotten an abortion.

387 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:08:30am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

Hey...it worked for the Democrats....they even got the media to stop criticizing their candidate!

388 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #371 Capt. Queeg

You misunderstand. I don't think Bush stole either election. But you can't scream "STOLEN!" just cuz your candidate loses.

I am a Republican and I do not vote for Democrats. Ever.

My apologies then. I'm having trouble scrolling up through the previous comments and only got a fragment from you......

389 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:11am

re: #365 DaddyG

The last time the Republican Party asked for a donation over the phone I told them "You will get my money as soon as you can find a candidate for a general election that is qualified to pee his way out of a paper bag."

You mean that GHW Bush, Bob Dole and John McCain could not fire you up? /sarcasm

390 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:21am

Charles, I hope you aren't suggesting that Palin's performance in last year's elections was anything less than perfect? That would be horrible and bashing.//

391 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:30am

re: #356 Capt. Queeg

My opinion on voter fraud is that it's much more likely to occur on the left than on the right. As a rule, it fits their modes of engagement better. What I'm saying is that BHO won despite any shenanigans. Dems got their shit together big-time in '08. Ppl couldn't wait to vote for him.

There was plenty of vote fraud for Obama, but he would have won without it. There will be even more vote fraud in the coming years, though, so who knows what will happen.

392 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:35am

I feel misunderestimated

393 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:41am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

There are a lot of people on the conservative side of politics who deserve to be criticized, Charels, and harshly.

But Sarah Palin isn't one of them.
She was simply doing as she was told to by her handlers.

394 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:42am
395 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:51am

re: #277 EmmmieG
Well

One of the things that the textbook said was that the children of the Great Depression were resourceful, tough kids.

is, I think quite true and let's not forget that many of the "Kids" of the Great Depression wound up fighting in or supporting the fight in WW II.
My mom's Dad (my grandfather) was on active duty with the US Army for parts of the Great Depression and since he was away for long periods of time (this is before WWII) my grandmother and mom had it very difficult indeed trying to hold things together. I'm just sorry that my Mom's going through these tough economic times again.

396 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:09:56am

re: #369 Charles

-- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

I realize that was said in jest, but I noticed a trend here during and after the primaries
Republicans and Conservatives were squabbling because McCain was too old and centrist, Rudy is too liberal on some issues, Newt is not liberal enough, Romney is a MORMON, Jindal signed a law allowing individual teachers to introduce ID in science class, Palin is too hick-y, Huckabee is too religious ,,,, etc etc . Seems as if 'conservatives" are looking for the perfect person

397 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:24am

re: #374 Thanos

Mckittrick's off base here, or he didn't see the campaign speeches where Sara did refer to this role. I distinctly remember them.

I don't remember those speeches either. McKittrick specializes in posting about missile defense, so I have to believe him when he writes:

But I paid very close attention to Palin during the campaign and, obviously, even closer attention to missile defense as a campaign issue --- and never did the two intersect.

If you can show that he's wrong, I'll update the post.

398 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #377 PAntera

Does anyone here actually buy that this missile interceptor will shoot down Nork missiles? The chance of a Nork Taepedong-2 getting halfway to Alaska is about as likely a China recognizing Tibet as a country. The Norks miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and putting it on a working missile capable of reaching the US would be a greater achievement then Kim Jong-Il's 18 hole-in-ones.
It's obvious this is a missile defense against Russian missiles. This isn't to say I'm against missile defense against the Russians, its just the lying that bothers me.

The Norks aren't doing it alone, and I believe the Iranians have the necessary information to make a small enough nuke. They may even have the designs, courtesy of A.K. Khan.

Our missile interceptor base in Alaska would have to be MUCH larger to deal with the Soviets. Besides, they can launch over the pole, and our radar is set to watch over the Pacific.

399 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:32am

re: #292 haakondahl

Which of these points were not true of his predecessor? About half, I'd say. Your point?

I'm fairly certain that Bush didn't do or believe any of these. Feel like backing up you assertion?

400 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

That's not fair. The headline is very insulting, and since few people read past the headline, I think it's legit to call the guy on it.

401 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:38am

re: #377 PAntera

Once again, I begin to think we need a "What?!" button.

402 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:41am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

Charles, I think the issue here really is the title of his post. You are correct that his criticism within the post is mild, but the title implies that the Governor of Alaska was too ignorant to realize the importance of missile defense within her own state. I think that goes a little further than people are comfortable with.

403 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:10:56am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

But for Palin to honestly answer that criticism, which may be justified, she may have to criticize McCain and McCain's campaign for handcuffing her or actually maintaining a contrary position and maybe she doesn't want to do that? And The lose in November was McCain's fault . Palin may have helped in some quarters and hurt in others, but the reasons we lost were intrinsic to the Bush presidency, the Republican Party or lack there of, and a very poor candidate. Not Palin.

404 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:11:02am

first to down ding space jesus's latest post....what's the prize

405 Claire  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:11:15am

re: #385 Dianna

A blind squirrel, in a freezer, tied up, awaiting Huckabee's deep fryer could've run a better campaign than McCain.

406 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:11:30am

re: #379 johnnyreb

Can't happen in the US. Our country is simply too big for that to happen. It is physically impossible for the entire US military and all law enforcement branches to be able to control more than 10 major cities in a martial law scenario. Not to mention the entire countryside that is mostly red and heavily armed. Add in the fact that the people tasked to do it, may actually not do it for all sorts of reasons.

indeed
but project out a little
0bama and his minions have further destroyed the economy
no jobs

only new jobs are in the gov't
from military to law enforcement
to the new civilian security forces

millions working for the gov't
and afraid to lose their precious jobs by bucking the gov't

yes, unlikely, but an interesting scenario
would 0bama be able to hire enough loyals to do this
to override the millions of gun nuts in red state zones ?

would he even try ?
I am going to read Prairie Fire and see

407 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #355 rightside

I agree, one of two solutions is needed though. The center of the ship left empty, and the gantry attached to the keel, or, the gantry attached to the main deck, which would tip the ship over with a fueled missile.

I understand your point, but that type of missile is ground based for a reason!

BBIAB

These missiles are not all that large, this isn't the Saturn 5, it's not even a Minuteman or a Poseidon.

The Poseidon C3 was a two-stage solid propellant missile with a length of 34.1 ft. 74 in. diameter with a range of approximately 2500 nm, weight of approximately 65,000 lb.

Standard container is 40 feet.

IOW, a container ship could carry and launch these things like popcorn.

408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #396 sattv4u2

-- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

I realize that was said in jest, but I noticed a trend here during and after the primaries
Republicans and Conservatives were squabbling because McCain was too old and centrist, Rudy is too liberal on some issues, Newt is not liberal enough, Romney is a MORMON, Jindal signed a law allowing individual teachers to introduce ID in science class, Palin is too hick-y, Huckabee is too religious ,,,, etc etc . Seems as if 'conservatives" are looking for the perfect person

Sorry, but I'm not old enough to run for President yet.

409 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:12:20am
410 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:12:48am

re: #377 PAntera

Does anyone here actually buy that this missile interceptor will shoot down Nork missiles? The chance of a Nork Taepedong-2 getting halfway to Alaska is about as likely a China recognizing Tibet as a country. The Norks miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and putting it on a working missile capable of reaching the US would be a greater achievement then Kim Jong-Il's 18 hole-in-ones.
It's obvious this is a missile defense against Russian missiles. This isn't to say I'm against missile defense against the Russians, its just the lying that bothers me.

Hey there skippy. The missle went 2000 miles. Another 2000 and it hits Alaska.

411 yesandno  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:03am

re: #344 realwest

Uh, why do you think Obama wants someone to nuke an American city? I'll readily agree that his policies so far don't seem to make me confident in the defense of America, but that's a loooong way from saying Obama WANTS someone to nuke an American City.

The whole thing with Obama is that money given to missile defense or development of security systems is money not available for government to grow. A zero sum game where government control is the winner. So defense must be cut.

Also, he has a naive view of the purpose of the military, of the fact that good defense creates an actual peaceful offense. He is a reactor, not a planner so cut, cut, cut because he thinks it is a waste of money to prepare for a one in a million happening, even if that "one" is rushing towards us at the end of a NK missile or a suitcase bomb or WMD's spread out within a large city.

412 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:20am

re: #404 big steve

first to down ding space jesus's latest post....what's the prize

Decontamination for touching it.........

;-P

413 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sorry, but I'm not old enough to run for President yet.

I'll run your campaign.....but I want Sec State when we win.

414 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #409 jwb7605

That is over the top and unacceptable.

AW CRAP!
And I quoted him!
Expletive deleted, darn it.

415 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:53am

re: #408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sorry, but I'm not old enough to run for President yet.

Would'nt matter. Many would disqualify you not for being a beer drinker, but becuase it wasn't THEIR beer!

416 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #407 itellu3times

Standard container is 40 feet.

IOW, a container ship could carry and launch these things like popcorn.

Why bother to launch? A nuke stored in a container ship & detonated in a port will cause untold damage.

417 J.S.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:01am

If anyone figures that Alaska's gonna get some kind of missile defense shield -- c'mon. Obama's priorities are in Europe, and he's saying there will be no missile shields in Europe. So, if Europe isn't going to get one, you can rest assured Alaska won't...It's all about priorities...

/

418 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:10am
419 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sorry, but I'm not old enough to run for President yet.

I am, but I doubt I'd get elected. Also, my position on some social issues might not be conservative enough.
But it would be fun to watch the Saudi asshole when he realizes he has to be in the same room as a Jew.
And I bow down to no one, only to G-d.

420 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #386 UberInfidel67

In re your last paragraph, instead, the left will look at it as a reason why the girl should have gotten an abortion.

Perhaps she should have, or perhaps she ought to have given the baby up for adoption, or perhaps she should have kept her legs crossed.

None of the above happened, and I'm inclined to treat Bristol Palin's situation as a family matter, and none of my affair! It's not a "teachable moment", or an object lesson.

421 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #381 loppyd

{Joel}!

I have to run and pick up my big brother who loves Tom Brady so much he had to go and blow out his ACL and MCL and fracture his tibia for good measure. They just cut him loose from the hospital.

Oy!

Later!

{loppyd}

Great to see you. I hope that Brady is ready for 2009 season. I think Gisele though will be a distraction!

422 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:27am

re: #377 PAntera

Does anyone here actually buy that this missile interceptor will shoot down Nork missiles? The chance of a Nork Taepedong-2 getting halfway to Alaska is about as likely a China recognizing Tibet as a country. The Norks miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and putting it on a working missile capable of reaching the US would be a greater achievement then Kim Jong-Il's 18 hole-in-ones.
It's obvious this is a missile defense against Russian missiles. This isn't to say I'm against missile defense against the Russians, its just the lying that bothers me.

You are entirely wrong.

Russia has six different technologies to deliver warheads, most of which would bypass Alaska, but most of all it has far more offensive platforms than we have any intention of building interceptors. And vice-versa.

423 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #415 sattv4u2

Would'nt matter. Many would disqualify you not for being a beer drinker, but becuase it wasn't THEIR beer!

I'll happily drink every brand of American beer if that's what it takes. Country first.

424 VioletTiger  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:14:46am

re: #385 Dianna

It wasn't McKittrick's article I had a problem with, though I didn't much care for the "why didn't they listen to me?" tone. Mostly because I think pretty much any one of us here could have run a more effective campaign than McCain's people did.

I agree Dianna. There was a lot of unrealized potential. I think the McKittrick criticism is legitimate in that regard, but I can't say if it was Palin's failure to speak up or the McCain campaign muzzle. Either way, a good issue went to waste. Of course, the economy stole the show as the major issue of the campaign, so who can say if things like this would have made a difference?

425 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:15:08am

re: #397 Charles

If you can show that he's wrong, I'll update the post.

I'm digging for a Sarah Speech where she points this out, but I don't have a lot of time today. [also note that McKittrick is one of the good guys fellow lizards]

I know that the media took real pains to downplay that role whenever it was brought up, as evidenced here:

Youtube Video
426 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:15:53am

re: #283 CyanSnowHawk

I don't know that those were ever seriously considered for use as conventional bombers. IIRC, we have retired them.

So much for my memory. Something like 67 are still in service.

427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:03am

re: #409 jwb7605

That is over the top and unacceptable.

Does that count as advocating genocide & can it get spacejesus banned?

428 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #417 J.S.

If anyone figures that Alaska's gonna get some kind of missile defense shield -- c'mon. Obama's priorities are in Europe, and he's saying there will be no missile shields in Europe. So, if Europe isn't going to get one, you can rest assured Alaska won't...It's all about priorities...

/

Alaska isn't important, getting attacked would only affect a few Caribou.

We can't drill in ANWR, because it would affect too many Caribou.

429 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #405 Claire

A blind squirrel, in a freezer, tied up, awaiting Huckabee's deep fryer could've run a better campaign than McCain.

But McCain feels good about himself, so that's what's important.

430 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #394 SpaceJesus

Let's all hope stinky decides that post is ban worthy.

431 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:27am
432 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #420 Dianna

Perhaps she should have, or perhaps she ought to have given the baby up for adoption, or perhaps she should have kept her legs crossed.

None of the above happened, and I'm inclined to treat Bristol Palin's situation as a family matter, and none of my affair! It's not a "teachable moment", or an object lesson.

I agree. The thing I find hard to believe is that a very beautiful (in my opinion) 18 year old girl like Bristol would even give a red neck shmuck like Levi Johnston the time of day.

433 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:39am

We know that McKittrick is one of the good guys, at least I do.
But I think he's way off base with this one.. just sayin'.

434 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:39am

re: #394 SpaceJesus

socrates of the blogosphere

More like the village idiot of the blogosphere.

435 KenJen  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:40am

I was hoping N. Korea was launching Space Jesus back into space.

436 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does that count as advocating genocide & can it get spacejesus banned?

I don't know, but I did more than downding him/her/it.

437 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:57am

re: #377 PAntera Here's a great idea. Lets just wait until our enemies develop the ability to strike us a devastating blow - then get around to planning how we will defend against it. That worked well up unitl 9/10. /

438 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:16:59am

re: #406 Adrenalyn

I just can't come up with any plausible scenario that martial law could be made to work in the US. We could not even do it in WWII when pretty much the entire adult population would have welcomed it in the first year or so.

We just do not have the resources to police the whole country in martial law.

439 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:17:15am

re: #321 Shug

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown

Sarah Palin -- 3
Glenn Beck--17.5
Creationism-- 15
autism-- 25
baby zoo animals 0.004
supertankers--0.79

Nirth Certificates -- some function on a normal distribution of the hours between adults' bedtime, and basement-dwelling lunatics' migration to pr0n.

440 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:17:24am

re: #405 Claire

A blind squirrel, in a freezer, tied up, awaiting Huckabee's deep fryer could've run a better campaign than McCain.

True! Very, very true!

441 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:17:43am

re: #420 Dianna
It is no one's business but her and her family. I'd say at this point, it isn't even Levis business what goes on with that child. My point is that there are some that will scream "SEE, THEY AREN'T TOGETHER...HER MOTHER SHOULD HAVE LET HER GET AN ABORTION!" And we know they will. Personally, she has a large loving family, her and the baby will be just fine.

442 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #435 KenJen

I was hoping N. Korea was launching Space Jesus back into space.

They tried. This is how we know the missile didn't reach orbit.

443 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:17:55am

re: #432 Joel

I agree. The thing I find hard to believe is that a very beautiful (in my opinion) 18 year old girl like Bristol would even give a red neck shmuck like Levi Johnston the time of day.

He was probably a popular high school athlete and all- remember those days?

444 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:04am

re: #435 KenJen

I was hoping N. Korea was launching Space Jesus back into space.

that was the donkeydong II

445 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:13am

re: #438 johnnyreb

I just can't come up with any plausible scenario that martial law could be made to work in the US. We could not even do it in WWII when pretty much the entire adult population would have welcomed it in the first year or so.

We just do not have the resources to police the whole country in martial law.


did I say mine was plausible ?
nah, never happen and I see that
but I think the lefties wet dream about it

446 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #409 jwb7605

Don't quote! I'm hoping that gets deleted!

447 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #376 Claire

I think the decimal system would make this more clear to me.

448 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:31am

re: #432 Joel

I agree. The thing I find hard to believe is that a very beautiful (in my opinion) 18 year old girl like Bristol would even give a red neck shmuck like Levi Johnston the time of day.

Those long dark winters can really play havoc with ones' sensibilities.

449 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:18:40am

re: #394 SpaceJesus

NorKo can only launch at the very best a handful of missiles. Ft. Greely could handle that.

Doing something proactive with NorKo very well could cause Kim to lash out. Seoul is in artillery range of thousands of tubes.

Doing the wrong thing with the Norks could cost the lives of tens of thousands of S. Koreans.

Its one of those hard realities. We can't do anything without precipitating a blood bath. If there is to be a blood bath it has to be clearly on Kim's hands.

450 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:08am

re: #377 PAntera

Does anyone here actually buy that this missile interceptor will shoot down Nork missiles? The chance of a Nork Taepedong-2 getting halfway to Alaska is about as likely a China recognizing Tibet as a country. The Norks miniaturizing a nuclear warhead and putting it on a working missile capable of reaching the US would be a greater achievement then Kim Jong-Il's 18 hole-in-ones.
It's obvious this is a missile defense against Russian missiles. This isn't to say I'm against missile defense against the Russians, its just the lying that bothers me.

Underestimating your enemy is a good way to lose a war. Missile Defense doesn't target any particular nation. It will stop missiles from any source country. Where's the lie?

451 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:09am

re: #446 Dianna

Don't quote! I'm hoping that gets deleted!

Me too. I'm truly embarrassed.

452 VioletTiger  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #396 sattv4u2

-- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

I realize that was said in jest, but I noticed a trend here during and after the primaries
Republicans and Conservatives were squabbling because McCain was too old and centrist, Rudy is too liberal on some issues, Newt is not liberal enough, Romney is a MORMON, Jindal signed a law allowing individual teachers to introduce ID in science class, Palin is too hick-y, Huckabee is too religious ,,,, etc etc . Seems as if 'conservatives" are looking for the perfect person

Trouble is, we won't find one.

Meanwhile, Dems never say somebody is 'too liberal'.

453 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #448 Irish Rose

Those long dark winters can really play havoc with ones' sensibilities.

Never heard teenage hormones called sensible?

454 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #405 Claire

A blind squirrel, in a freezer, tied up, awaiting Huckabee's deep fryer could've run a better campaign than McCain.

That reminds me to thaw something out for dinner...

455 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:23am

re: #412 jcm

Decontamination for touching it.........

;-P

IT BURNS, IT BURNS, OH GOD IT BURNS......I DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH IT! Oh, wait left the stove on. IT BURNS!
IT BURNS MY GRILLED CHEESE!

///Sorry folks, I couldn't resist it.

456 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:29am

re: #350 Adrenalyn

Alex, the answer is:

What is Martial Law ?

You are an idiot.

457 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:19:45am

re: #443 Nevergiveup

He was probably a popular high school athlete and all- remember those days?

Oy, do I ever. Our football team won exactly 0 games in my 4 years, but they were all so popular. Meanwhile, our track team was bringing back championships & no one gave two turds about those guys.

458 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:09am

re: #390 Jimmah

Charles, I hope you aren't suggesting that Palin's performance in last year's elections was anything less than perfect? That would be horrible and bashing.//

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

459 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:34am
460 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #457 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oy, do I ever. Our football team won exactly 0 games in my 4 years, but they were all so popular. Meanwhile, our track team was bringing back championships & no one gave two turds about those guys.

Oddly enough where I am from the Lacrosse team seems to attract bevies of feminine attention.

461 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:55am

re: #350 Adrenalyn

Alex, the answer is:

What is Martial Law ?

Alex, the answer is:

What is Obama Derangement Syndrome?

462 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:56am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

You could not be more wrong.

463 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:20:56am

re: #427 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does that count as advocating genocide & can it get spacejesus banned?

I don't necessarily want him banned, but boy, that remark needs to be deleted!

464 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:23am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

Funny, I would say the same about Obama.

465 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:23am

Therapist: So, I sense that you are feeling a great deal of anger about the fact that the McCain campaign mishandled what could have been their greatest asset, resulting in less national security and bungled attempts to salvage the economy. Do you want to discuss this in more detail?

Patient (Me): No. I just want to scream and bash my head against the wall.

Therapist: And how does this make you feel?

Patient (Me): Great--once I pass out, that is.

466 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:40am

re: #416 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why bother to launch? A nuke stored in a container ship & detonated in a port will cause untold damage.

Why a port? Just wait till it is unloaded onto a train and parked in a big city. Or wait for it to be unloaded from there to a truck. It could go anywhere after that.

467 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #459 Joel

He's no moby, he's a class A troll and a boil on the lizard's butt.

468 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:47am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

Bullshit. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP. If it makes you feel good to blame Palin, hey it's a free country still, but it's still bullshit.

469 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #463 Dianna

I don't necessarily want him banned, but boy, that remark needs to be deleted!

And two quoted replies. (One is mine)

470 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:21:58am

Oops sorry Charles I quoted SpaceJesus. Can you scrub or delete my 418?

(I reported myself)

471 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:22:03am

re: #452 VioletTiger

Trouble is, we won't find one.

Meanwhile, Dems never say somebody is 'too liberal'.

Thats my point. We (conservatives/ republicans) have been eating our own for the past 8 years. It's almost as if we've been going out of our way to find fault with a potential candidate. I stated during the election the McCain wasn't 'my" guy,,,, but I would have rather had someone there that I agree with 66% of the time than 10%.

Lesser of 2 evils? If you want to put it that way, fine, but the thought process is still valid nontheless

472 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #459 Joel

When you think that, use "reply," not "quote."

473 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:22:18am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

That's because you idiots only know what Keith Olbermann tells you.

474 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:22:30am

Ok just checked with my wife, she recalls Sarah talking about her role as head of Alaska nat'l guard and their special duties as well, trying to find the speech, but I've only got a narrow window here. Perhaps some other lizards can help out?

Youtube search

475 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:22:39am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

four years ago, Hillary Clinton's name had the highest negatives possible. She spent two years working it and damn near ended up President.....and trust me if she had beaten Obama she would have beaten McCain as well.

476 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #336 Ward Cleaver

Hey, haven't seen you around in awhile. Your avatar, is that from Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy?

Same guy, but from House of Cards, &c.

477 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:23:46am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

IIRC she polled better than both Biden and McCain

478 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:23:56am

re: #465 EmmmieG

Therapist: So, I sense that you are feeling a great deal of anger about the fact that the McCain campaign mishandled what could have been their greatest asset, resulting in less national security and bungled attempts to salvage the economy. Do you want to discuss this in more detail?

Patient (Me): No. I just want to scream and bash my head against the wall.

Therapist: And how does this make you feel?

Patient (Me): Great--once I pass out, that is.

Good one! I'll have to remember that joke.

479 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #470 DaddyG

(I reported myself)

Ha! It is funny what your eyes will do to you. I first read that as (I soiled myself).

480 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #466 Honorary Yooper

Why a port? Just wait till it is unloaded onto a train and parked in a big city. Or wait for it to be unloaded from there to a truck. It could go anywhere after that.

most ports ARE a big city...

481 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #325 KenJen

To think they dressed up Obama-the empty suit-and paraded him as the perfect candidate, and now he's dumping on the United States. I know he'll take every dime out of our paychecks.

KenJen, I would ding you up a thousand for that. Superb.

Unfortunatly, the irony of your post just flew over his head like Kim's Taepodong-2.

482 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:04am

I think I'll be petty today and wear my McCain/Palin shirt.

483 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:21am

#458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

As was Reagan in '76.

484 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:25am

re: #481 formercorpsman


PIMF. Over my head.

485 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #342 Adrenalyn

why must the right keep attacking itself

Because it refuses to learn.

486 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #468 Nevergiveup

Bullshit. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP. If it makes you feel good to blame Palin, hey it's a free country still, but it's still bullshit.

Avanti is definitely full of shit, but I did vote for the VP this time. John McCain was completely unelectable without her. She made voting for him tolerable. And I'm NOT the base.

Although some of my instincts might be. ;D

487 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:40am

looks like space jesus's latest post just hit the can.....good

488 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #458 avanti

re: #477 sattv4u2

IIRC she polled better than both Biden and McCain

and that was a poll of likely voters ,, not just conservative likely voters

489 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #441 UberInfidel67

It is no one's business but her and her family. I'd say at this point, it isn't even Levis business what goes on with that child. My point is that there are some that will scream "SEE, THEY AREN'T TOGETHER...HER MOTHER SHOULD HAVE LET HER GET AN ABORTION!" And we know they will. Personally, she has a large loving family, her and the baby will be just fine.

Anyone who starts in saying what Bristol should have done will be told by me to shut up. And that baby, no matter how deep an antipathy observers feel toward him, will always be Levi's business.

I'm so glad that I was not the child of anyone famous!

490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:25:30am

re: #468 Nevergiveup

Bullshit. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP.

I dunno. I would have voted for Obama, but no way was I going to send a man from Delaware to the White House!
/

491 yesandno  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #369 Charles

He is NOT bashing Palin. He's criticizing the fact that she didn't use a strong point in her own favor during the campaign. And it's very MILD criticism.

I have an idea -- let's just never criticize anyone on the conservative side! That way we're guaranteed to start winning elections again!

One of the results of growing up in the last half century is the lack of being able to accept criticism...positive as well as negative. I am guilty as well, unless forced to actually think about it (thanks to people like you!).

When everyone who shows up gets the same trophy as the person who worked at it everyday and actually made the difference we will never able to state to anyone that maybe they could have done better, worked harder, thought more.

If we don't criticize our own, we can't make them better.

492 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #480 brookly red

most ports ARE a big city...

Not all. Think Dallas, Omaha, Chicago, etc. They're connected by rail to those coastal ports, and have many rail lines and rail yards in them.

493 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:26:11am

If only Palin had more community organizer experience. /

She is quite electable and could appeal to a broader base if she wasn't being taken apart by the Washington insiders. I lost a lot of respect for Peggy Newnan and other "conservatives" who didn't give Palin a fair shake because they hadn't created her in their own image.

494 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:26:15am

re: #483 Kenneth

#458 avanti

As was Reagan in '76.

Reagan is still a mystery to the left.

495 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:26:43am

OT

Judge overturns ex-Sen Stevens conviction. No new trial planned. And he is contemplating criminal charges against the US prosecutors for gross misconduct.

I always said the timing of this case was questionable. Now I know it was rigged form the get go.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

496 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:10am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

Palin solidified the base but was not able to win over Independents or so called Centrists. However the GOP lost because of the guy at the head of the ticket, not his Vice President. Nobody voted for Hope McChange because of Joe Biden.

yeah that Tim Pawlentey would have made a dynamite VP candidate. /sarcasm

497 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:20am
498 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #475 big steve

four years ago, Hillary Clinton's name had the highest negatives possible. She spent two years working it and damn near ended up President.....and trust me if she had beaten Obama she would have beaten McCain as well.

I might have voted for her. But if McCain, in that scenario, had chosen Palin again, I'd have voted for the him again.

Palin is only unelectable because the media has run and will continue to run an absolute, no-hold-barred smear campaign on her and those who want to be hip will never admit to seeing anything positive there.

499 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:25am

re: #470 DaddyG

Oops sorry Charles I quoted SpaceJesus. Can you scrub or delete my 418?

(I reported myself)

Thanks Charles. Can I keep the Karma point from the deleted post or is that too much to ask? ;-) /

500 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #494 jcm

Reagan is still a mystery to the left.

Actually he is becoming an "Idol" to the left unlike all us BAD Republicans now a days.

501 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:33am

re: #494 jcm

Reagan is still a mystery to the left.

jcm, didn't they, the Left, try to compare Pr. Obama to Pr. Reagan?

502 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:34am

re: #433 Irish Rose

We know that McKittrick is one of the good guys, at least I do.
But I think he's way off base with this one.. just sayin'.

Not just off base - a complete waste of time. Are there no other conservatives/Republicans currently serving in a Federal capacity that can't be brought to task for their role or lack thereof in the recent plagues on our country: spending, bailouts, stimulus, obsequious apologies across Europe and the Middle East for America, defense cuts, Afghanistan policy quagmire, public/private corporations, and on and on and on?

Just seems a foolish waste to drop this criticism on, of all people, Palin - way the f*ck up there in Alaska and far from the maddening crowd.

503 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:27:48am

Charles,

Quoting other people's cheap shots used to be beneath you. Palin deserves no blame for McCain's incompetent handlers.

504 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #193 jwb7605

Were is the wrong tense.
I'm either overqualified or underqualified or do not have all 25 items experience required in the job description.

Example: A local company is looking for somebody that knows electronic hardware, sensors, high-level programming language (C/C++), scripting languages, embedded/firmware experience, knowledge and use of SQL databases, wireless technology, and experience with coordinating Engineering and QA departments.
I don't qualify because Perl, PHP, etc are scripting languages, but they specifically want Python.

Isn't it strange they can never find any "qualified" Americans for these positions, but have no problem finding a Chinese or an Indian with all the skill sets.

/who is also willing to work for $15/hr

505 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Gee, BDVM, you said "They believe that an America safely behind a missile defense system will start nuking other nations with impunity." and I could understand it if you were a KosKid and Bush was President, but do you really think they believe that with Obama as President?
I don't think Obama would nuke anyone - even if we traced with absolute certainty that a missile from, say, North Korea had launced a nuke on Alaska or Hawaii.
And even if we had a perfect ABM system, the risks are still too high for any American President to launch nukes at anyone first.

506 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #348 LGoPs

Every major news organization went to Florida after the recounts and challenges ended and confirmed that Bush had in fact won. The same media that had dropped any pretense of being objective.
Yet the voter fraud idea remains as is evident by your statement. And I am firmly convinced that since the perception remains, the liberals have dropped any pretense of fair elections and feel fully justified to openly try to steal elections.
Which side is the one that wants same day regostration; that wants to flood the system with newly registered voters; that fights tooth and nail against attempts for voter ID?
And yet you say that Bush stole the election.

LGoPs

Sure, GWB "Stole the Election" in 2000 - the Old Fashioned Way - Fair and Square. It's called the Electoral College. Maybe I was the only Gore-Lieberman voter in my area of New Jersey to understand and accept this. My problem if any at the time was with the likes of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton not with George W. Bush. Mouthing stuff like "stole the election" is easy - amending the US Constitution - Not So Much.

-S-

507 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:29:06am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin Obama was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

FTFY

508 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:29:11am

re: #501 Idle Drifter

jcm, didn't they, the Left, try to compare Pr. Obama to Pr. Reagan?

Only when trying to anesthetize conservatives.

509 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #377 PAntera

Not to mention if Korea was able to make all those technology leaps, it would be a waste of time for the Koreans. If they want to commit suicide by nuke, why waste the hour waiting for the US counterstrike for a hit on Alaska, just set off the nuke on the launch pad.
No one is going to attack Alaska. If you are going to pick a fight with a giant, you don't start by flicking him in the ear, you need to kill him with one blow, or you are SOL. Even Russia and China won't take that shot.

510 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:29:49am

I am updating the Palin Meltdown score from 3 to 20.

511 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:04am

re: #501 Idle Drifter

jcm, didn't they, the Left, try to compare Pr. Obama to Pr. Reagan?

The left has tried to make Obama the next:
Savior Abraham Luther Reagan Roosevelt, Jr.

512 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #492 Honorary Yooper

Not all. Think Dallas, Omaha, Chicago, etc. They're connected by rail to those coastal ports, and have many rail lines and rail yards in them.

Well I won't argue, so it seems that we can do a much better job of keeping undesirable people & things out of the country imo.

513 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:22am
514 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:36am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

Sure, Avanti. That's why the Dems and the Media just ignored her during the campaign. There wouldn't be any point in wasting all their time and energy besmirching a candidate that only appealed to the narrow Republican base.

Wait... what?!?! They did nothing but try to assassinate her character and diminish her accomplishments? How did I miss that?

515 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #510 Shug

I am updating the Palin Meltdown score from 3 to 20.

Well, Spacejesus doesn't count in the meltdown statistics. He's always out for a downding.

516 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:30:46am

re: #509 avanti

And your going to vouch for the sanity of those running North Korea?

517 JustABill  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:10am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

OK I stand corrected, if all states in the US are commonly called "sovereign states". Sorry, but in Canada the term means something very different.

There was a time when the term meant the same here, and it was actually true. Between the Civil War and the 16th Amendment the phrase became essentially meaningless...

518 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #495 johnnyreb

I'm actually aghast at this.

If the prosecution was that corrupt, how can we tell if Stevens was taking graft or not? If the judicial system can't thrash out the truth, what can?

519 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:35am

Can somebody please tell turn what is going on in the enlarged section of the image in Charles first link here? Is that bright area the missile exploding? At any rate that's a pretty amazing picture and I'm glad that damn thing fizzled out.

520 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:36am

re: #468 Nevergiveup

Bullshit. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP. If it makes you feel good to blame Palin, hey it's a free country still, but it's still bullshit.

I don't blame her, she may have gained as many votes for the base as she lost outside, but I was talking about the Palin run for POTUS some day.

521 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:48am

re: #501 Idle Drifter

jcm, didn't they, the Left, try to compare Pr. Obama to Pr. Reagan?

Obama's tried a couple times to claim the Reagan mantle. They've tried to compare his oratory to Reagan.

Reagan could give a complete speech off a few note cards, and make fun of himself.

522 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #492 Honorary Yooper

Not all. Think Dallas, Omaha, Chicago, etc. They're connected by rail to those coastal ports, and have many rail lines and rail yards in them.

Chicago is serviced through Lake Michigan,,,, Dallas from the gulf through Houston via Galveston. Most bigger metropolises are serviced via water

523 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:31:58am

re: #509 avanti

Not to mention if Korea was able to make all those technology leaps, it would be a waste of time for the Koreans. If they want to commit suicide by nuke, why waste the hour waiting for the US counterstrike for a hit on Alaska, just set off the nuke on the launch pad.
No one is going to attack Alaska. If you are going to pick a fight with a giant, you don't start by flicking him in the ear, you need to kill him with one blow, or you are SOL. Even Russia and China won't take that shot.

NK can't hit the states, and won't hit SK. Japan is the hostage. They'll call our bluff by threatening Japan. What will we do?

524 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #498 kynna


Palin is only unelectable because the media has run and will continue to run an absolute, no-hold-barred smear campaign on her and those who want to be hip will never admit to seeing anything positive there.

Exactly. She's Qualye . w/o ever having the privilege of using veep stationery.

525 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #518 Dianna

I'm actually aghast at this.

If the prosecution was that corrupt, how can we tell if Stevens was taking graft or not? If the judicial system can't thrash out the truth, what can?

The Inquisition. Nobody expects it!

526 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:29am

Listening to WFAN in NY sports talk radio. G-D some Yankee fans are panicking already and also ready to hang Sabathia in effigy. Boy it's gonna be a long season.

527 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #493 DaddyG

If only Palin had more community organizer experience. /

She is quite electable and could appeal to a broader base if she wasn't being taken apart by the Washington insiders. I lost a lot of respect for Peggy Newnan and other "conservatives" who didn't give Palin a fair shake because they hadn't created her in their own image.

I suspect Charles might be queasy about Palin because of her creationist leanings, and rightly so.

I was talking to a friend yesterday, and I summed up my current political outlook like this (image of the stupid insurance commercial required):

Q: "Have you ever held political office?"
A: "No"
Reply: BONUS!

Which is why I voted for Palin, except McCain was on the ticket, too. She was the least "knowledgeable" about politics, and obviously the least corrupted one of the 4.

528 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:40am

re: #515 Honorary Yooper

Well, Spacejesus doesn't count in the meltdown statistics. He's always out for a downding.

It's a relative risk.
There is 20 times the risk of a meltdown in a Palin topic vs the baseline of 1 ( which would be a Todd Rundgren music video)


and
Spacejesus is thrown out of any statistical analysis regardless of the topic.

529 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #407 itellu3times

I'm agreeing with you that they could be launched from ships, it's just not practical. Keep in mind, those types of missiles are launched from underwater.

Surface ship based launches require a plenum system to vent superhot gases and flames from the rising missile. Missile of that size would take much more time to lift off due to their weight, and would require such a large venting system. I'd be curious as to the temps generated between liquid fueled, and solid propellant variants.

530 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:33:39am

re: #528 Shug

It's a relative risk.
There is 20 times the risk of a meltdown in a Palin topic vs the baseline of 1 ( which would be a Todd Rundgren music video)


and
Spacejesus is thrown out of any statistical analysis regardless of the topic.

Todd Rundgren SUCKS!

531 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:34:07am

re: #521 jcm

Obama's tried a couple times to claim the Reagan mantle. They've tried to compare his oratory to Reagan.

Reagan could give a complete speech off a few note cards, and make fun of himself.

Obama is self parodying, he just doesn't realize it.

532 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #444 Shug

you mean donkeykong 2? LOL

533 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:34:26am

re: #504 Alouette

Isn't it strange they can never find any "qualified" Americans for these positions, but have no problem finding a Chinese or an Indian with all the skill sets.

/who is also willing to work for $15/hr

Fifteen bucks an hour is beginning to look good to me, Sahib!

534 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:34:36am

re: #532 rightside

you mean donkeykong 2? LOL

no he's more of a donkey's dong

535 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:00am

re: #511 DaddyG

The left has tried to make Obama the next:
Savior Abraham Luther Reagan Roosevelt, Jr.

I prefer Sundog's real name in Death Hunt:

George Washington Lincoln Brown.

536 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #526 Nevergiveup

That's always the case with high priced talent. They're going to have to perform because if they don't, they're going to hear it from the fans. Nothing new there...

537 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:13am

re: #529 rightside

I'm agreeing with you that they could be launched from ships, it's just not practical. Keep in mind, those types of missiles are launched from underwater.

Surface ship based launches require a plenum system to vent superhot gases and flames from the rising missile. Missile of that size would take much more time to lift off due to their weight, and would require such a large venting system. I'd be curious as to the temps generated between liquid fueled, and solid propellant variants.

That's if the launch ship & crew want to survive the launch - jihadis aren't know for that trait.

538 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:32am

re: #530 ConservatismNow!

Todd Rundgren SUCKS!

LOOK! LGF is a Todd-Rundgren-bashing hate site, run by the anti-Rundgrenit Fascist Charles Johnson! Why has this post not been taken down?!shift1!?!?!?!?!?!

539 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:40am
Youtube Video

LMAO**************

540 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #526 Nevergiveup

Listening to WFAN in NY sports talk radio. G-D some Yankee fans are panicking already and also ready to hang Sabathia in effigy. Boy it's gonna be a long season.

Seattle had a good first outing!

541 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #522 sattv4u2

Chicago is serviced through Lake Michigan,,,, Dallas from the gulf through Houston via Galveston. Most bigger metropolises are serviced via water

Yes, but each is also connected to the others and to the coastal ports via rail. The Norks, AQ, Iranians, etc, would not have to use their nuke container just at a port. They could wait to use it since only a small percentage of containers get inspected at customs.

542 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:16am

re: #537 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't think Norks would spend that much to do that, but, we did elect an empty suit as apologizer in chief

543 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #521 jcm

Obama's choice of humor includes deriding others. Reagan's humor was self deprecating. Big difference, and it shows a lack of class on the part of Obama and his teleprompter.

544 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:21am

re: #521 jcm

Obama's tried a couple times to claim the Reagan mantle. They've tried to compare his oratory to Reagan.

Reagan could give a complete speech off a few note cards, and make fun of himself.

And prior to his actually becoming President and not having the time, he wrote all of his own speeches. Even after becoming President he still had a heavy hand in the speeches. It was his decision to keep in the line about tearing down the wall when most of his advisers said to remove it.

545 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:22am

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

546 johnnyreb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:23am

re: #518 Dianna

I'm actually aghast at this.

If the prosecution was that corrupt, how can we tell if Stevens was taking graft or not? If the judicial system can't thrash out the truth, what can?

IMO it was never about a politician being dirty. It was about making a political statement in an election year and attempting to influence a senate election. Sort of like Dan Blather and the throbbing memo.

Lets face it, about 75% of our current crop of politicians are corrupt and should be put on trial for what Stevens was charged with. Sen Dodd is the first one that comes to my mind. Our AG should have put him under investigation about 10 years ago.

547 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:51am

re: #534 Shug

no he's more of a donkey's dong

They admit there is No-Dong however!

548 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:36:57am

Last update - 20:30 07/04/2009

Lieberman: Peace talks have reached 'dead end'

By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies

Tags: Avigdor Lieberman


Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Tuesday that Western-backed
peace efforts with the Palestinians had reached a "dead end" and that Israel intended to present new ideas for diplomacy.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I think he is right, and all the evidence would support him. But that ain't gonna go over so well with Obama and the EU. They still prefer to live in Fantasy Land.

549 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:09am

re: #545 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

Up in smoke.

550 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:28am

re: #545 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

Huh?

551 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:40am

re: #523 haakondahl

NK can't hit the states, and won't hit SK. Japan is the hostage. They'll call our bluff by threatening Japan. What will we do?

We could...
1. Beef up our presence in Japan. Not likely given the disposition of the Obama administration.
2. Arm Japan ourselves. Again not likely, see above.
3. Do nothing because the Norks will piss off the Japanese enough for them to arm themselves. Most likely given the current political climate.

552 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:40am

re: #545 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

Charles put it on lock down, people were bashing him in there.

553 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:42am

Here's more from the left trying to tear down the validity of her Ak Nat'l Guard role, they wouldn't be doing this if it had never been brought up in the campaign:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

554 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:48am

re: #411 yesandno
Well I don't disagree with your assessment of Obama's lack of experience in these matters, but that's a long way from saying he WANTS someone to nuke an American city.

555 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:37:53am

re: #533 jwb7605

Fifteen bucks an hour is beginning to look good to me, Sahib!

Me too. I work my ass off for 8.00 an hour, and I have a certification.

556 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:38:00am

Well, I've been paying too much attention to LGF, and there's actual work to do, so I'm out.

557 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:38:11am

re: #549 Erik The Red

Up in smoke.

Seriously. Did Charles take it down?

558 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #556 Dianna

Well, I've been paying too much attention to LGF, and there's actual work to do, so I'm out.

Later Di.

559 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #552 turn

Charles put it on lock down, people were bashing him in there.

REALLY?

560 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:39:01am

re: #545 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

It filled up with Troll poop and Charles had to declare it a superfund site.

561 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #557 Alaska Kim

Seriously. Did Charles take it down?

No, it's just invisible now.

/

562 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:39:31am

re: #549 Erik The Red

Up in smoke.

Damn it.

563 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:08am

re: #545 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.

Where did the Lizard Lounge go?

Charles terminated it because some of the banned lizards found a trapdoor they could sneak through to get into the Lounge. It's really a security issue.

564 jvic  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #75 researchok

Why would anyone think missile defense is optional? (p)How can adopting a defensive posture be considered provocative?

Iirc I read that this was wargamed in the Reagan era. Having a reliable defense means that you can use your offense without fear of retaliation. Therefore, your enemy may be tempted to launch a first strike before you deploy your defense.

These points don't apply to a limited system that addresses a rogue-state threat. Nevertheless, deploying a limited defense might give us a leg up in developing a full-fledged strategic system.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. At a minimum, we should sustain energetic research in case there's a game-changing technology just around the corner. I am saying that the decisions are trickier than they appear at first glance. But they have to be made.

565 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:22am

So I am inventing two new terms.

CDS - Charles Derangement Syndrome..... a condition for which former lizards become enraged when the Lizard commander cannot be relied upon to be in the Conservative Republican tank.


CISDY - Charles I am So Dissappointed with You....a variation of CDS affected by those who want to parent Charles into the Conservative Republican tank.

566 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #559 Alaska Kim

REALLY?


I've been gone since last Friday, I think midweek last week he posted something on it.

567 avanti  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #514 NukeAtomrod

Sure, Avanti. That's why the Dems and the Media just ignored her during the campaign. There wouldn't be any point in wasting all their time and energy besmirching a candidate that only appealed to the narrow Republican base.

Wait... what?!?! They did nothing but try to assassinate her character and diminish her accomplishments? How did I miss that?

She was a easy target, and mishandled. She was not ready for prime time and put on the national stage with little prep. Once she did a few horrible interviews, the MSN smelled blood in the water and they locked her away from the media, but too late.
She's a intelligent and capable woman, but was no where near ready for the scrutiny of a national campaign.

568 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:40:47am

What's your last name?
Dong.

What's your first name?
Long.

What's your middle name?
Duk.

569 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #560 DaddyG

It filled up with Troll poop and Charles had to declare it a superfund site.

Seems to me Charles would've banned the trolls and trouble makers instead of shutting it down.

570 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #537 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The missile in yesterday's test was ~250 feet long, which means it's taller most large ships out there (a carnival cruise ship is really just about 150 feet tall, and aircraft carriers are . It's not a feasible design to be fired from the deck of a ship unlike smaller versions like the Scud.

571 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:41:14am

re: #566 turn

I've been gone since last Friday, I think midweek last week he posted something on it.

killed because there was a backdoor for banned accounts to use it.

572 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:41:44am

*Memo to world*

Please do not accept my apology as put forth through our president. I am not sorry for anyone we liberated, nor any dictator/despot removed. He does not apologize for me.

573 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #527 jwb7605

I suspect Charles might be queasy about Palin because of her creationist leanings, and rightly so.

I admit it -- I'm not on the Sarah Palin bandwagon. I defended her during the campaign because the alternative was so much worse.

But on more than one occasion she said things that really turned me off. The dumb anti-science comment about "fruit fly research in Paris France," for one. Her refusal to denounce abortion clinic bombers, for another, even after she had two chances to do it. In these cases, I believe her motivation was clearly: 1) to throw red meat to the anti-science wing of the GOP, and 2) to avoid getting on the bad side of the extreme pro-life wing.

Her belief in creationism is trickier, because she changed her story; after first saying she thought it should be taught in schools, she backtracked and said it shouldn't. Again, I defended her on that, but it doesn't fill me with confidence that she tried to have it both ways.

574 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:42:05am

re: #560 DaddyG

It filled up with Troll poop and Charles had to declare it a superfund site.

Yeah, the EPA wasn't too happy about the emissions coming off that steaming pile.

575 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:42:08am

re: #563 Honorary Yooper

Charles terminated it because some of the banned lizards found a trapdoor they could sneak through to get into the Lounge. It's really a security issue.

Oh, I guess I didn't get that part yoop. Wow, a trap door. Them banished lizards sure seek revenge don't they?

576 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #559 Alaska Kim

REALLY?



Lizard Lounge Closes

Open %P% Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:33:25 pm PDT

I’ve become aware that there is a contingent of disgruntled LGF readers who have been using the Lizard Lounge — that I’ve been paying for, for the past three years — to trash and insult LGF and myself. As of right now, the Lounge is closed until further notice

577 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:08am

re: #552 turn

Charles put it on lock down, people were bashing him in there.

Can you imagine a party at Charles' house?

"Hey Charles, thank for inviting us, man. Nice place, great view. Damn fine food, too. This stuff is Ace! You know you really suck, though, and let me tell you why. Oh, first do you have any toilet paper? 'Cause I'm gonna crap over there by the rocking chair. What do you mean, "no"? See, this is just why you suck. no-toilet-paper-havin' fascist, is what you are. I can see why the house across the street calls the cops on you and launches poo from their backyard catapult. Yeah, man, you don't even have a poo-flinger. Jeez, you suck. Got any more beer, you big fascist?"

578 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #526 Nevergiveup

Listening to WFAN in NY sports talk radio. G-D some Yankee fans are panicking already and also ready to hang Sabathia in effigy. Boy it's gonna be a long season.

I love it! I would have done the same thing this morning if Putz or K-Rod blew it for me yesterday...

579 JHW  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:17am

Meanwhile, here is an instance where an election may have truly been stolen. A resurgent "bear" interfering in what it sees as its areas of interest and what it may view as a weak and inexperienced US president = a testing of "the one".
Moldovan Authorities Agree to Recount

Some 10,000 demonstrators massed for a second day in the capital of Europe's poorest country to denounce the victory by the Communist Party, led by veteran president Vladimir Voronin, as rigged and demand a new ballot.

One reason for possible Russian interference ,ala as in Ossetia;
Transnistria

Up Next: Transnistria?

August 29, 2008 · Whoever heard of South Ossetia before it became the starting point for Russia's reassertion of its dominance over Georgia?

It was an obscure ethnic pocket left over from the dissolution of the Soviet Union, troublesome mainly because its citizens identified more with Russia than with the newly emerging Georgian republic.

It wasn't the only one.

Ethnic separatists also occupied a prime strip of Georgia's Black Sea coast called Abkhazia. Now that both areas have formally declared their independence and gotten recognition from Moscow, European officials are worried that Russia could use other frozen ethnic conflicts to put pressure on Moldova and Ukraine.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner noted that Russia could use areas such as Transnistria in Moldova to create tension and counter efforts to bring those countries into NATO and the EU.

580 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:34am

re: #569 Alaska Kim

Seems to me Charles would've banned the trolls and trouble makers instead of shutting it down.

Some of the Legion of the Banned figured out how to sneak back in without paying the cover charge at the door.

581 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #573 Charles

I admit it -- I'm not on the Sarah Palin bandwagon. I defended her during the campaign because the alternative was so much worse.

But on more than one occasion she said things that really turned me off. The dumb anti-science comment about "fruit fly research in Paris France," for one. Her refusal to denounce abortion clinic bombers, for another, even after she had two chances to do it. In these cases, I believe her motivation was clearly to 1) to throw red meat to the anti-science wing of the GOP, and 2) to avoid getting on the bad side of the extreme pro-life wing.

Her belief in creationism is trickier, because she changed her story; after first saying she thought it should be taught in schools, she backtracked and said it shouldn't. Again, I defended her on that, but it doesn't fill me with confidence that she tried to have it both ways.

I admit to admiring her for completely indefensible reasons: she's too green to be that corrupt. The other 3 were not. I include both parties.

582 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:44:14am

re: #571 big steve

killed because there was a backdoor for banned accounts to use it.


Thanks, hey I learned last week you're and engineer too. There are quite a few of us in here, I think the science and math kept us away from the liberal arts profs in college. heh

583 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:44:40am
584 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #577 haakondahl

Can you imagine a party at Charles' house?

"Hey Charles, thank for inviting us, man. Nice place, great view. Damn fine food, too. This stuff is Ace! You know you really suck, though, and let me tell you why. Oh, first do you have any toilet paper? 'Cause I'm gonna crap over there by the rocking chair. What do you mean, "no"? See, this is just why you suck. no-toilet-paper-havin' fascist, is what you are. I can see why the house across the street calls the cops on you and launches poo from their backyard catapult. Yeah, man, you don't even have a poo-flinger. Jeez, you suck. Got any more beer, you big fascist?"

Heh. You forgot the part where the bouncer tosses them out, and then they dedicate their lives to sending me hate mail, signing me up for spam lists, and trashing me all over the internet.

585 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #569 Alaska Kim
The banned users snuck in as pointed out by others. I don't think there was an easy fix and Charles mentioned he didn't have the energy to waste on creating one.

In a sense this is encroaching government in a microcosm. We loose freedoms and privileges primarily through abuses of those freedoms. Franklin had it right when he extolled individual virtue as a key component to freedom.

586 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #576 jcm


Lizard Lounge Closes

Open %P% Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:33:25 pm PDT

I’ve
become aware that there is a contingent of disgruntled LGF readers who
have been using the Lizard Lounge — that I’ve been paying for, for the
past three years — to trash and insult LGF and myself. As of right now,
the Lounge is closed until further notice

Wow.. I didn't know that. I guess I wasn't in the Lounge when people were flinging shit. Glad it wasn't me.

587 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:05am

re: #577 haakondahl

Can you imagine a party at Charles' house?

"Hey Charles, thank for inviting us, man. Nice place, great view. Damn fine food, too. This stuff is Ace! You know you really suck, though, and let me tell you why. Oh, first do you have any toilet paper? 'Cause I'm gonna crap over there by the rocking chair. What do you mean, "no"? See, this is just why you suck. no-toilet-paper-havin' fascist, is what you are. I can see why the house across the street calls the cops on you and launches poo from their backyard catapult. Yeah, man, you don't even have a poo-flinger. Jeez, you suck. Got any more beer, you big fascist?"

And then, they pee on his dining room table.

588 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #575 turn

Oh, I guess I didn't get that part yoop. Wow, a trap door. Them banished lizards sure seek revenge don't they?

Yeah, some of them were a bit pissy about it. Somehow they found a way to get back in using Parachat rather than going through the main LGF page while logged in.

589 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:24am

Oh heck!

590 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:28am

Another asshole sleeper heard from.

591 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:30am

Wow! That didn't last long.

592 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:45:31am

Qrazy Qadhafi to Saudi King Abdallah at the Doha Summit: You Were Created by Britain and Are Protected by the U.S.

593 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:46:12am

re: #577 haakondahl

LOL, that was good!

594 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:46:14am

re: #583 max_mike

Buh-bye.....

595 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:46:15am

re: #584 Charles

They were in full force last night and this morning over at a Hotair thread.

596 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #592 Kenneth

Qrazy Qadhafi to Saudi King Abdallah at the Doha Summit: You Were Created by Britain and Are Protected by the U.S.

Thats gotta burn.

597 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:47:00am

re: #504 Alouette

Isn't it strange they can never find any "qualified" Americans for these positions, but have no problem finding a Chinese or an Indian with all the skill sets.

/who is also willing to work for $15/hr

I know. But if they were forced to show how the Indian or Chinese met the skill set, compared with the American, I think we'd find the American fit better.

598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #583

Quickest. Deletion. Ever.

599 Alaska Kim  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #590 Charles

Another asshole sleeper heard from.

That was quick!

600 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:47:43am

That was a quick kill on 583. There must be a SMITE button.

601 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:47:58am

re: #584 Charles

Heh. You forgot the part where the bouncer tosses them out, and then they dedicate their lives to sending me hate mail, signing me up for spam lists, and trashing me all over the internet.

That's the poo-flinger ATS. See? Fascist.

602 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Quickest. Deletion. Ever.

I love this Auto refresh feature. I actually saw that happen.

603 vxbush  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #600 Idle Drifter

That was a quick kill on 583. There must be a SMITE button.

That, or a "ZOT" button that shoots lightning bolts through the keyboard.

604 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:48:09am

re: #598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Quickest. Deletion. Ever.

I caught it. He said.....oh,never mind.

605 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #585 DaddyG

That was so true. Or in turn's simple mind, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

606 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #600 Idle Drifter

That was a quick kill on 583. There must be a SMITE button.

Clue by c4.

607 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Tenacious little bastards.

Valtrex.

608 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:01am

Mike-Max just reached MaxQ and didn't tolerate it.

should have throttled back

609 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:12am

re: #600 Idle Drifter

I envision he has multiple windows open monitoring everything. LGF spy, and others to quickly weed out the trash.

30" apple cinema display FTW!

610 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:24am

re: #600 Idle Drifter

That was a quick kill on 583. There must be a SMITE button.

THEL.......

Even faster than SMITE.

611 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:29am

re: #588 Honorary Yooper

Was the lounge based on that parachat? Must have been ...

612 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:39am

I personally could care less whether shes' a creationist or not, Charles. Sure it's a wacky ideology... but this is a free country, and we're free to worship in any way that we wish.

The question is, is she inclined to insert her religious beliefs into matters of public policy?

That is the only question that matters, really.
And I don't think that she is.

613 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #611 turn

Yes.

614 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:50:04am

re: #598 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Quickest. Deletion. Ever.


No kidding! We didn't even get to play with that troll.

Quick Draw Charles, the fastest Lizard on the net.

616 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #600 Idle Drifter

That was a quick kill on 583. There must be a SMITE button.

I bet somebody's scaly claw rests on a touch screen with a few more "dinger" icons than we have.

617 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:50:17am

IMHO, what conservatives need right now is to pull together and focus on the issues that unite them and not fixate on the differences. We are already at a great disadvantage due to the open and blatant bias in the media and it's chossing of sides and deciding what information will and will not be presented to the American people. That is not going to change anytime in the near future and the only way to combat it is to speak wth one voice at every opportunity possible. I think we are at risk of further diffusing that voice by making the perfect the enemy of the good. The media will be more than happy to assist us in that diffusion.

618 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:51:06am

As much as I hate to, I have to sign off.
Tragedy.
Just when we were agreeing about Charles and Nazi Fascist tendencies, etc.

619 big steve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:51:07am

No one wants to called an elitist but I suspect we all are elitists about some things in our lives. In am an elitist about air travel. I cannot stand people who are dumb asses in airports and act like its the first time they have ever been there. I love my Elite lounge privileges, flying business class....etc. I know this is elitist and I should be this way but I am.

I am also an elitist regarding my LGF account. Yes there may be things that the host does or brings up that I don't agree with but part of being elitist about something is that you hold it of value and follow the rules.

620 vxbush  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #610 jcm

THEL.......

Even faster than SMITE.

Heh. I'm seeing a statue with a hole burned through the middle.
/

621 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:51:14am

Look, actual video of the deletion of #583

622 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #611 turn

Was the lounge based on that parachat? Must have been ...

Yes. Charles had a Parachat account to keep it going.

623 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:52:01am
624 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:52:01am

re: #609 rightside

I envision he has multiple windows open monitoring everything. LGF spy, and others to quickly weed out the trash.

30" apple cinema display FTW!

More... better......

626 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #603 vxbush

That, or a "ZOT" button that shoots lightning bolts through the keyboard.

Hey turn remembers that movie! We got a zotz token thingy when we went to see it. My buddy actually zotzed a bird out of the sky with it (or so we thought waaaay back then.)

627 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:52:38am

re: #573 Charles

Those are valid points, and ones I want to see clarified over time.

628 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:52:54am

re: #606 lawhawk

Clue by c4.

Next we develop Pitch-a-Clue 5000 from a modified howitzer.

629 vxbush  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:53:10am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

The Lounge was instituted before the new speedy server came on, before the "New Comments" button made its debut, and long before the new "Auto" new comments feature.

In other words, it was a fast-repartee area which served a purpose in the days when the main site was much slower in its progression. Since its creation the main site has ramped up in speed--if not to the point where it surpassed the Lounge, certainly close to equaling it.

The Lounge was always so fast as to make any observation over a couple of sentences impossible; by the time one had typed a considered reply to some comment, the conversation had moved on. Here in the main tent, one can juggle multiple discussions simultaneously, as quickly or as slowly as one wishes.

Over and above any misuse of the facilities by Lounge denizens, the Lounge itself had outlived its usefulness as the main-site upgrades have brought the Lounge's better features to the fore. The worse features will not be missed.

I won't disagree with you, but the Lounge was nice in that it was always off-topic, and you could discuss stuff at will. There is still pressure to stay on topic for the first 150-200 posts.

630 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:53:27am

re: #609 rightside

I envision he has multiple windows open monitoring everything. LGF spy, and others to quickly weed out the trash.

30" apple cinema display FTW!

Some more advanced alien technology. 360 degree holographic display that puts an IMAX to shame.
That's why he's moving to bigger digs under the airport. New shipment from planet [deleted].

631 vxbush  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #624 jcm

More... better......

World-domination size.

632 Ghost707  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:55:09am

re: #17 Ford_Prefect

I will never understand why we would reduce missile defense. If you object to the idea of offensive weapons I can understand that. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But to cut defensive weapons just makes no sense. If you are anti war then a defensive weapon should be exactly what you want. It would be the perfect excuse to just hide behind the shield and not engage in any battles outside our country. What better answer is there for the left? I just don't get it.

Because, despite all evidence to the contrary, the left believes that if we are nice to everyone, everyone will be nice to us.

Millions of dead nice people over the centuries have disproved this adolescent fallacy.

633 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

The Lounge was instituted before the new speedy server came on, before the "New Comments" button made its debut, and long before the new "Auto" new comments feature.

In other words, it was a fast-repartee area which served a purpose in the days when the main site was much slower in its progression. Since its creation the main site has ramped up in speed--if not to the point where it surpassed the Lounge, certainly close to equaling it.

The Lounge was always so fast as to make any observation over a couple of sentences impossible; by the time one had typed a considered reply to some comment, the conversation had moved on. Here in the main tent, one can juggle multiple discussions simultaneously, as quickly or as slowly as one wishes.

Over and above any misuse of the facilities by Lounge denizens, the Lounge itself had outlived its usefulness as the main-site upgrades have brought the Lounge's better features to the fore. The worse features will not be missed.

Parachat sucks anyway, it's a nasty unreliable platform and clumsy as hell to moderate.

That said, I'll miss the lounge... it was the only thing that I had to keep me company on some of those long lonely nights.

634 Bagua  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #573 Charles

I admit it -- I'm not on the Sarah Palin bandwagon. I defended her during the campaign because the alternative was so much worse.

[...]

Agreed, and add to the list the fact that she didn't win.

I'm sick of personality politics, seeing the same losers run again and again. There is also a revenge motivation, "she lost so we're going to show them by running her again till she wins."

We need a good candidate with wide appeal, not just someone who is a woman, or minority or other pet appeal.

The republicans can do better than Palin.

635 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:55:56am

7 Reasons Why North Korea’s Missile Test Was Not A Failure

There has been an on going narrative being created in the media that North Korea’s missile test was a failure because the North Koreans did not put a satellite into orbit.

This narrative completely misses the fact that the North Koreans probably had no intention of putting a satellite into orbit in the first place and used it as cover to complete a long range missile test of the Taepodong-2 missile. Additionally the North Koreans fired the missile for more then just missile test reasons, it also had much domestic as well as political reasons to fire the missile as well.

#1: The Missile Landed Near Where North Korea Said It Would
#2: ...

636 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:56:20am

re: #609 rightside

I envision he has multiple windows open monitoring everything. LGF spy, and others to quickly weed out the trash.

30" apple cinema display FTW!

I envision a scene from Flash Gordon.

'Strange object in the imperial vortex"

637 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #134 Charles

Wow. Even the mildest criticism seems to make some people fly off the handle.

Did any of you folks actually read McKittrick's post?

As Killgore said, way oversensitive. To someone not easily carried away by any politician's statement or criticism thereof, this overreaction sounds comical.

638 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:56:48am

re: #624 jcm

More... better......

I want one of these for commercial use.

639 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:56:51am
640 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #604 SasquatchOnSteroids

I caught it. He said.....oh,never mind.

awww, I never get to see em... any chance of listing the reason? like "deleted for promoting violence", "deleted for personal foul" etc.

641 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:57:15am

re: #458 avanti

For those not in the base, the adoration of Palin was a big a mystery to those outside. She's wildly popular with most of the base, but with almost zero crossover appeal and unelectable as it now stands.

I think she appealed to people outside the base, like me I guess, for a few days till they realized from her performances how ill-fitted she is for the job. Even leaving the creationism issue aside, she just doesn't have the sharps IMO.

642 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:57:47am

re: #626 turn

that thingy is called an amulet turn
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

643 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #625 Alaska Kim

Thanks. But that is just too bad, it was an interesting hang-out. I wonder who the troublemakers were.

No clue. I only visited it once or twice. Like it here better.

644 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:58:15am

re: #638 DaddyG

I want one of these for commercial use.

That is so cool.

645 scrubjay  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:59:16am

I liked the idea that Gov. Palin made the missile defense statement. It should be the harbinger of more to come. She is a good vehicle for setting GOP policy. Since the mainstream media has her it its sights, it is a good opportunity to get the GOP's ideas into the spotlight. I hope she speaks up more on energy policy.

646 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:59:24am

re: #592 Kenneth

Qrazy Qadhafi to Saudi King Abdallah at the Doha Summit: You Were Created by Britain and Are Protected by the U.S.

OMG. What a loon. He is the "Iman of all muslims"? Bet that was news to a lot of folks in there.

647 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:59:36am

re: #644 Ford_Prefect

That is so cool.

That was Captain Vader I believe.

648 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:59:56am
649 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:00:19am

re: #592 Kenneth

Qrazy Qadhafi to Saudi King Abdallah at the Doha Summit: You Were Created by Britain and Are Protected by the U.S.

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

The Lounge was instituted before the new speedy server came on, before the "New Comments" button made its debut, and long before the new "Auto" new comments feature.

In other words, it was a fast-repartee area which served a purpose in the days when the main site was much slower in its progression. Since its creation the main site has ramped up in speed--if not to the point where it surpassed the Lounge, certainly close to equaling it.

The Lounge was always so fast as to make any observation over a couple of sentences impossible; by the time one had typed a considered reply to some comment, the conversation had moved on. Here in the main tent, one can juggle multiple discussions simultaneously, as quickly or as slowly as one wishes.

Over and above any misuse of the facilities by Lounge denizens, the Lounge itself had outlived its usefulness as the main-site upgrades have brought the Lounge's better features to the fore. The worse features will not be missed.

Lounge? I do' need no steenkin' lounge!

650 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:00:25am

re: #638 DaddyG

I want one of these for commercial use.

Luke--I am your father.

Next--it will be one o'them plug into the cerebral cortex dohickies.

651 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:00:58am

re: #648 taxfreekiller

tfk very paranoid

Really? We hadn't noticed. /

652 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:01:02am

Charles, I've got to stop the hunt for now, everyone remembers the Couric interview where she fumbled and flubbed the question for which her MDA role should have been the response, instead of ANG she said "they", a big blooper on her part. I think there were rally speeches after that where she corrected, but I can't find them in this limited time. I'll poke around some more tonight.

653 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:01:14am

re: #617 LGoPs

IMHO, what conservatives need right now is to pull together and focus on the issues that unite them and not fixate on the differences. We are already at a great disadvantage due to the open and blatant bias in the media and it's chossing of sides and deciding what information will and will not be presented to the American people. That is not going to change anytime in the near future and the only way to combat it is to speak wth one voice at every opportunity possible. I think we are at risk of further diffusing that voice by making the perfect the enemy of the good. The media will be more than happy to assist us in that diffusion.

I happily carried water for even the religious right, in accordance with my "threat-meter". At the same time, I tried to keep the tent flaps open. Well now I'm no longer welcome in the creationist tent, while Pat Buchanan and company make themselves comfortable by the fire. Not interested in pulling together with some of the scum we've accumulated.
I won't buy Ann Coulter's books anymore, no matter how well she carves the opposition. She has become a sideshow distraction. I wish she would shut up during CPAC, instead of vamping the spotlight off of the issues.
I can't believe Buchanan is still welcome; Mr. "America should have left the Nazis alone", and screw the Jews, too. Coulter's repeated "jokes" about killing elected or confirmed government officials should get her the boot--instead, she gets fawned over by the simpering likes of Sean Hannity. (Hannity's not a bad guy, I just can't listen to his holier-than-thou for very long).

The Right still has a lot of house-cleaning to do. Now we happen to be better at it than the left, but it's more of a vulnerability for us than the left--the media rarely calls the left on their creepy uncles, whereas our own slightly weird cousins get us called dysfunctional. And fascist.

654 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:01:16am

OT ,,,, but the scenes from the Italian earthquake area sre sad. Beautiful centuries old buildings nothing more than a pile of rubble. We've been feeding footage to ABC and FOX all day

655 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:01:23am

re: #648 taxfreekiller
The way you typed that I could just hear Smegal saying "Don't want nasty hobbitses to steals our ideasies..." ;-)

656 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:01:59am

re: #611 turn
Ah, yes, iirc Charles said it was parachat.

657 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #648 taxfreekiller

Kenneth

You e-mail some to realwest correct?

tfk is going to give realwest an idea , but do not want it on any public forum.

get it from him direct

tfk very paranoid

You, paranoid, nah. We'd never think it.
/Just because you're paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you.

658 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:02:34am

I will miss the lounge, for sure.

659 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:02:43am
660 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:02:43am

re: #640 brookly red

awww, I never get to see em... any chance of listing the reason? like "deleted for promoting violence", "deleted for personal foul" etc.

I would say it was "deleted for venting".
But when it shows up the post above one of Charles, hehe, its not it's day.

661 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:03:23am

re: #658 rightside

I will miss the lounge, for sure.

I will too, but Charles shouldn't have to put up with being trashed repeatedly in his own house.

If the lounge had to go, then it had to go.

662 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:24am

Gotta run, folks.... bbl.

663 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:05:10am

re: #648 taxfreekiller

Just click on realwest's blue name and send him an email.

664 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:21am

re: #653 haakondahl

The right needs a Wm. F. Buckley. Again.

665 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #656 realwest

Ah, yes, iirc Charles said it was parachat.

Spray it with paraquat.

666 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:18am

re: #474 Thanos

You're right. I was aware of it too, and I know she talked about it - that's how I know about it. If the media didn't make a big deal of her remarks on the topic, that's not Palin's fault.

667 realwest  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:18am

Well it's been interesting you all but I gotta go eat some lunch now.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

668 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:10:02am

re: #520 avanti

I don't blame her, she may have gained as many votes for the base as she lost outside, but I was talking about the Palin run for POTUS some day.

Avanti -

President Reagan ran for President THREE times before he was elected (Yes, I count the Aborted 1968 effort) before circumstances made him electable. Keep that in mind before counting Gov. Palin out - I know, I ran some GOTV for Carter Mondale in 1980 and remember some "earfuls" I got from supposed "friendlies." In 2012 as in every Presidential Election - events will determine the winner. I believe we can agree that the Wall Street Meltdown likely determined the outcome more than Pres. Obama OR Sen. McCain.

-S-

669 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:10:24am

re: #321 Shug

I'm trying to get a relative meltdown risk score with a score of 1 being no increased risk of a meltdown
...baby zoo animals 0.004/blockquote>

They SUCK! I f****g HATE baby zoo animals!

/

670 bolivar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:11am

re: #164 Joyce

I've met several people from Alaska since the election. They all support Sarah and get upset when she is misquoted. MSM did it and I don't know how you undo it when they cut the video clips so it's hard to tell who's who. Oh yeah, the comedian has a scar on her cheek.

Alaskans say her biggest problem is that she's too beautiful.

I wish that was my biggest problem. ;)

Joy
Sarah Palin supporter.

We just got back from a 2 week cruise and one of the lead singers was from Wasilla and said he could NOT see Russia from his window. And a couple sat down next to us from Alaska as well. They love her and you may be right - she is pretty and stacked and and down boy. She has a good head and her values are in line with mine. That alone is more than the entire dhimmie lot. dammit

671 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #648 taxfreekiller

Kenneth

You e-mail some to realwest correct?

tfk is going to give realwest an idea , but do not want it on any public forum.

get it from him direct

tfk very paranoid

I email Realwest.
I can forward him you email of you like or just let him know you'd like an offline contact.

672 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

Where did Bush find this idiot?

One of Bush's particular talents.

Bush picked many idiots.

Obama outdoes him by picking many idiots who can't even figure out their taxes.

673 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:28am

re: #656 realwest

Ah, yes, iirc Charles said it was parachat.

Parachat is what Airborne Rangers use to keep in touch.

"U R kilng talibn? LOL!"

674 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #399 NukeAtomrod

I'm fairly certain that Bush didn't do or believe any of these. Feel like backing up you assertion?

Opinions, no research:

Obama
1. First phone call as POTUS was to Mahmoud Abbas
Nope.
2. First interview as POTUS was to an Arabic newspaper
Nope.
3. Sends $925 million to Gaza run by Hamas
Were you happy with the zillions of aid we shipped over there?
4. Totally blows off the IDF chief of staff when he came for a visit to discuss Iran
Did we support them as we should have (apart from holding open a window of opportunity, which Olmert utterly missed)?
5. Constantly refers to Iran as "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
That's what it's called. Should we all say Constantinople again?
6. Thinks our relations with Britain are no different then any other nation
Nope.
7. Thinks "Austrian" is the language of Austria
I don't know what he thought. But if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say yes.

So I think that goes to about half.

675 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #664 Kosh's Shadow

The right needs a Wm. F. Buckley. Again.

We do have Iowahawk's T. Codrington Vanvoorhies VII.

676 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #670 bolivar

and said he could NOT see Russia from his window

Just to be clear: Sarah never said she could see Russia from her house. That was Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live, imitating Sarah. Sarah did say you could see Russia from parts of Alaska. IIRC, it's sorta kinda technically true, but was an overstatement, at best.

677 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:16:26am

re: #595 rightside

They were in full force last night and this morning over at a Hotair thread.

There is one guy there (who shall remain nameless) that has such an issue with Charles I almost think he needs professional counseling. It's like his dad kicked him out of the house or something. You could be talking about your favorite ice cream and he could take the non sequitur train to LGF.

678 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:16:36am

re: #14 coquimbojoe

Shortsighted? He seems to be doing everything right, to keep his job. Unfortunately with the cowards we have in DC, that is looked upon as being 'far-sighted'.

What kind of man works as Def Sec for Republican Bush and then turns 180 degrees and works for Obama?

679 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:47am

re: #676 Occasional Reader

Just to be clear: Sarah never said she could see Russia from her house. That was Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live, imitating Sarah. Sarah did say you could see Russia from parts of Alaska. IIRC, it's sorta kinda technically true, but was an overstatement, at best.

It was metaphorical, dammit. Sorry, but when I see her in those go-go boots and a tight skirt, I kind lose track of what Gov. Palin is saying. (yes--I AM a pig)

680 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:14am

re: #678 Opinionated

What kind of man works as Def Sec for Republican Bush and then turns 180 degrees and works for Obama?

A modern Talleyrand?

681 bolivar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #676 Occasional Reader

Just to be clear: Sarah never said she could see Russia from her house. That was Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live, imitating Sarah. Sarah did say you could see Russia from parts of Alaska. IIRC, it's sorta kinda technically true, but was an overstatement, at best.

I know that - the singer said in tongue in cheek and it got the intended yuck. I note further up that Reagan lost 3 times - Sarah is young and bright (regardless of the MSM alluding otherwise) and I have high hopes for her in the future. She is ten times the leader Mclame ever would have been and off the charts compared to obambi.

682 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #678 Opinionated

What kind of man works as Def Sec for Republican Bush and then turns 180 degrees and works for Obama?

Welllllll, let's just say that the turn is not so sharp as all of that.

683 J.S.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:11am

re: #652 Thanos

hmmm...(One would think that in this day and age, with the Internet, a politicians' speeches would all be there -- collated, archived, readily available...sigh...guess not. I think this may also be part of the problem with the GOP. They can't get any messages out -- on the one hand, there's the control by the MSM focusing on certain issues, including all the gossip/parodies, about Palin, and on the other hand, the GOP doesn't have a strong enough voice to say anything meaningful).

684 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:17am

re: #249 Joel

We all know that the freaking Maverick camp led by that creep and pseudo Democrat (and Kathleen Parker wannabe), Nicole Wallace was behind the Palin lies (such as "She did not know that Africa was a continent") that that fucker Carl Cameron of Fox news spread. I hate the idiot primary voters who gave us John McCain.

The idiot primary voters were led by democrats who chose the easiest-to-beat candidate.

685 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:48:19am

re: #638 DaddyG

I want one of these for commercial use.

DaddyG -

Hopefully the F-35 will see light of day under this Administration. Looks like the F-22 is "lights out" for now.

-S-

686 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:50am

I don't blame her much for not saying anything then; McCain's handlers all but tied a scarf around her jaw. I concede that it would have helped our defence position if she'd said something right after the election.

My advice to Alaska is that they hike taxes to fund their own missile defence system. Alaska is not as big as it looks; a few nukes around the Anchorage area and the state is finished. Money from Washington is nice, and they can accept the usual Federal conditions (i.e., warn the rest of the nation, like Canada does), but there's no substitute for home defence.

687 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:53am

re: #397 Charles

If you can show that he's wrong, I'll update the post.

I think if she ever stood up for herself it would be deeply imbedded in an interview that was not promoted too much, which is a shame. I remember her talking about the job responsibilities but cannot find the video clip. The only ones I found that supported her strengths in these areas were biographies that had been posted on youtube but not promoted.

She should have been more aggressive in promoting herself, but often with that type of person, they expect their record should support it. I think after all the deriding comments and skits she was trying to go on the offensive about the seriously frightening personal relationships the MSM didn't want to cover about Obama.

Lack of time, set of circumstances aligned along with a poor campaign. I agree there are troubling other issues, but the gravity of those pales when compared to what we have now.

Here is her online youtube bio that shows and narrates the facts about her responsibilities:

Youtube Video

Here is a pretty good and fairly specific video that explains her defense responsibilities (but only shows 3,949 views AND the last sentence suggests the narrator is a nirther!?! Well, at the time it might be true the document was not provided as yet, not sure)

Youtube Video

WHY were these buried and not promoted? Why - probably because the MSM was sent on a witch hunt to devalue any positive attributes that might be held up?

688 docremulac  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:07am

I'm glad Charles finally calls on Ms Palin to bear some responsibility for letting her attackers get away with crap like the SNL "I can see Russia from my house" line. Allowing it to get that far by fumbling her way through the question of her experience in international relations in the first place wasn't something that I forgive that easily. When you get into the ring you better be ready to fight.

As Governor of Alaska, in conjunction with the National Guard and it's associated armed forces she's is part of a line of defense against possible aggression from Russia which is located within sight of our coast at some points. That's a hell of a lot more responsibility than being a "community organizer" like Obama. She should have pointed this out more clearly.

689 MJ  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:10am

re: #674 haakondahl

Opinions, no research:

Obama
1. First phone call as POTUS was to Mahmoud Abbas
Nope.
2. First interview as POTUS was to an Arabic newspaper
Nope.
3. Sends $925 million to Gaza run by Hamas
Were you happy with the zillions of aid we shipped over there?
4. Totally blows off the IDF chief of staff when he came for a visit to discuss Iran
Did we support them as we should have (apart from holding open a window of opportunity, which Olmert utterly missed)?
5. Constantly refers to Iran as "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
That's what it's called. Should we all say Constantinople again?
6. Thinks our relations with Britain are no different then any other nation
Nope.
7. Thinks "Austrian" is the language of Austria
I don't know what he thought. But if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say yes.

So I think that goes to about half.

I. "This is my first phone call to a foreign leader and I'm making it only hours after I took office," he quoted Obama as telling Abbas.
[Link: www.google.com...]

II. In his first formal interview since taking office, the president spoke with the Dubai-based station Al Arabiya on topics pertinent to the Arab and Muslim worlds.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

IV. Nice change of subject. Here's what the poster is referring to:
Israeli Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi cut short his visit to Washington after getting an extraordinarily cool reception from the new U.S. administration.
[Link: www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com...]

V. In the past, the U.S. has avoided that title, because using it would grant legitimacy to the country's clerical regime. Mr. Obama is turning that approach on its head, saying essentially that legitimacy, now recognized, comes with obligations.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

VI. Barack Obama will play down Britain's importance and cast it as merely "one of the crowd" of countries with which America has a special relationship, sources close to the incoming president have warned.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Here's the research. I think the other guy was much closer to having it right.

690 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:20am

“I can’t emphasize enough how important it is that we continue to develop and perfect the global missile defense network. Alaska’s strategic location and the system in place here have proven invaluable in defending the nation.”

I didn't see any apology or I'm sorry from Gov. Palin...What? Aren't all US politicians on an apology kick this week?

691 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:37am

re: #677 capitalist piglet

There is one guy there (who shall remain nameless) that has such an issue with Charles I almost think he needs professional counseling. It's like his dad kicked him out of the house or something. You could be talking about your favorite ice cream and he could take the non sequitur train to LGF.

Sharmuta's been calling it Charles Derangement Syndrome...

While I was looking into this I googled a ref at Meryl Yourish's site; which was dead. Her archives are shot and she's posting at yourish.blogspot.com. WTF?!

692 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:26am

Sidenote: did anyone else see the significance of the distance the Taepodong 2 traveled in it's test flight? Approx 3,200 km or 2,000 miles.
Israel is about 1,250 miles from Iran's nuke plants and nuke sites. And the Iranians had front row seats at the launch in NK.

693 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #691 Zimriel

Sharmuta's been calling it Charles Derangement Syndrome...

I think the term may have been coined by the user Highrise -

This user is blocked.
Karma: 2,466
Registered since: Dec 18, 2006 at 1:57 am

No. of comments posted: 8,588
No. of links posted: 1

A pretty well-regarded poster, apparently, and a defender of this site... before he got blocked himself. Sigh

694 Mad Mullah  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:43pm

Obama won the election based on certain people's hatred of Bush and all things perceived as being connected to Bush, idiotic lies believed by ignorant, dumb people, reverse racism, misogynism and a little dose of voter fraud (ACORN).

Palin is vastly more qualified than the moronic and hypocritical Obama ever will be, and the fact that many people questioned her experience (she was only running for VP), while not questioning at all Obama's experience (who was running for the top job), tells me that there are many flat out stupid people in this country.

McCain's camp was also far too polite in my opinion, they should not have taken the nice road, and they should have gone on an all out nasty assault against Obama, something which they refused to do on numerous occassions. They should have framed an Obama win as an absolute disaster for America. The reality is that Obama is even worse than most people could have imagined during the campaign. I think that they should have painted Obama as being anti-American, because that's certainly what he seems to be.

695 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:09:30pm

re: #668 Dr. Shalit

I ran some GOTV for Carter Mondale in 1980 and remember some "earfuls" I got from supposed "friendlies."

Ooh boy, I wann hear some stories. Both on the earfuls and on how you repented of your rabbit-oppressing ways.

I did phonebank for McCain / Palin and the response I got, you'll be disappointed to learn, was middling. No-one gave me an earful on either side.

696 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:48pm

Here is another one of Palin's interviews about national security and energy. She mentions the Saudis... I don't think she would bow to them.

Youtube Video

Aside from the preponderance of "also", she is in her element in this interview. Too bad the MSM is so hyper-focused on the GOP budget for wardrobe, gossip tidbits and not on substance.

697 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #658 rightside

I will miss the lounge, for sure.

It sucks, but it had turned into a forum mixed of anti-LGFers and anti-arguing-against-anti-LGFers. What can you do?

698 Wendya  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #3 bolivar

Is this pile on Palin week? I really am getting fed up with all this crap. Most of the crap is lies, distortions or out of context. They used every trick in the book and made up some new ones to crucify Sarah and I for am offended - does that make me qualified to sue for damages? I might be onto something here.

If Palin had brought up the proximity to Russian in terms of missile defense, I guarantee you there would have been people here slamming her for being ignorant.

We can laugh about Obama voters and the Messiah complex all we want but we've got a shitload of voters on the right and on this blog who want their candidate to be all seeing, all knowing.

699 MJ  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:15pm

re: #691 Zimriel

Sharmuta's been calling it Charles Derangement Syndrome...

While I was looking into this I googled a ref at Meryl Yourish's site; which was dead. Her archives are shot and she's posting at yourish.blogspot.com. WTF?!

She was hacked not long ago. Not sure if this new site is the result.

As for "Charles Derangement Syndrome", can't say I much like that term. It's designed to stifle any debate and to bring ridicule to anyone who disagrees with Charles on a particular issue.
The term "BDS" was used with great frequency by a number of now banned posters on this site whenever anyone uttered the slightest disagreement with a Bush policy. Rather than promote debate, it's use was designed to end it.

700 Jamie  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #45 Salem

I think I'll listen to RUSH, now, since Obomber has no other opposition left.

In light of Glenn Beck's descent into lunacy, and Palin's consistently underwhelming public performances, Limbaugh is as good a choice as any. It's a shame that he fulfills every negative conservative stereotype, but he doesn't shy away from a fight, and as entertainers go, he has a loyal following.

This period really reminds me of the state Democrats found themselves in around 2003 through 2005--no real leader, and a bunch of angry guys yelling. Amazing how cyclical it all is...

701 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:25pm

re: #191 Dianna

I sometimes felt that Palin suffered more because she's good looking than because of any substantive position.

Absolutely! There is definitely a bias around attractive, intelligent women. Bear with the generalizing, but women can be pretty competitive with other women in trying to garner whatever sort of favor from men. It can get ugly and misogynistic when the target is attractive and confident, and that's not even mentioning the bias men have towards intelligent women. Sarah got it from both genders, and it was one of the most disgusting displays of sexism I'm sorry I had to witness.

702 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:41pm

re: #693 Zimriel

A pretty well-regarded poster, apparently, and a defender of this site... before he got blocked himself. Sigh

That person registered about a dozen sock puppets, and freaked out when I started criticizing creationism.

703 Wendya  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:35pm

re: #688 docremulac

I'm glad Charles finally calls on Ms Palin to bear some responsibility for letting her attackers get away with crap like the SNL "I can see Russia from my house" line. Allowing it to get that far by fumbling her way through the question of her experience in international relations in the first place wasn't something that I forgive that easily. When you get into the ring you better be ready to fight.

As Governor of Alaska, in conjunction with the National Guard and it's associated armed forces she's is part of a line of defense against possible aggression from Russia which is located within sight of our coast at some points. That's a hell of a lot more responsibility than being a "community organizer" like Obama. She should have pointed this out more clearly.

She did point it out.

704 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:01pm

wait what post of mine got deleted?

also this comment is a test to see if I've been banned

705 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:36pm

oh, all of them. nevermind.

706 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:21pm

re: #699 MJ

As for "Charles Derangement Syndrome", can't say I much like that term. It's designed to stifle any debate and to bring ridicule to anyone who disagrees with Charles on a particular issue.
The term "BDS" was used with great frequency by a number of now banned posters on this site whenever anyone uttered the slightest disagreement with a Bush policy. Rather than promote debate, it's use was designed to end it.

I'm aware of that; I have a mental list of terms I don't like, and I only use them when they are VERY necessary. If people were abusing the term "*DS" then they've well-earned the bootprints on their trouser seats.

In this context though I believe it applies.

707 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:59pm

re: #702 Charles

That person registered about a dozen sock puppets, and freaked out when I started criticizing creationism.

Thanks for the heads up. A dozen? Sheesh.

708 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:38pm

re: #689 MJ

Try again. Where I said, "Nope", that means that this is NOT an item which President Bush shares with President Obama. Sorry for any confusion.

709 Claire  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:45pm

re: #670 bolivar

she is pretty and stacked and and .....

I'm so glad to know her bust measurements meet with your approval, lol.......

710 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #225 Irish Rose

Bravo.

711 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:31:19pm

re: #634 Bagua


We need a good candidate with wide appeal, not just someone who is a woman, or minority or other pet appeal.

The republicans can do better than Palin.

Suggestions?

I mean of someone with wide appeal who will not become a 'personality politician'. Palin's record would have given her wide appeal if she had not been smeared. But I'm open to other ideas. Love to hear 'em.

712 MJ  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:36:49pm

re: #708 haakondahl

Try again. Where I said, "Nope", that means that this is NOT an item which President Bush shares with President Obama. Sorry for any confusion.

Okie Doakie. Thanks for the clarification.

713 zeebeach  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:22pm

We need to see what floats to the surface in terms of viable candidates for conservatives. Sanford, Gingrich, Jindal, Palin, Romney....?
I'm open to all of them and committed to none of them right now. However, any of them are better than our present CIC. IMHO

714 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #577 haakondahl

Can you imagine a party at Charles' house?

"Hey Charles, thank for inviting us, man. Nice place, great view. Damn fine food, too. This stuff is Ace! You know you really suck, though, and let me tell you why. Oh, first do you have any toilet paper? 'Cause I'm gonna crap over there by the rocking chair. What do you mean, "no"? See, this is just why you suck. no-toilet-paper-havin' fascist, is what you are. I can see why the house across the street calls the cops on you and launches poo from their backyard catapult. Yeah, man, you don't even have a poo-flinger. Jeez, you suck. Got any more beer, you big fascist?"

This is so going in the LGF Cookbook Volume 2.

715 Right mind left  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:45pm

Here is one McCain campaign attempt aired on Campbell Brown to tout Palin's national security experience. Tucker was crucified. He was talked over and belittled...but tried to stand up for the reality. This shows the voracity of the MSM to annihilate any attempts to undermine the One with any legitimate argument about his competition.

Youtube Video
716 Land Shark  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:36pm

re: #701 Sharmuta

I too was appalled at how she was treated.

I'm one of those people who the more I learned about Sarah Palin, the more I liked her. She was far from perfect, but she to me she's a real human being with a real family with real problems. And she was very supportive of developing our own oil and natural gas resources, which is a central issue to me. But rather than let the MSM smear have me look elsewhere, I support and defend her every time I hear some dufus claims what a bumpkin Palin is.

Palin and Romney are my two favorite possible Republican candidates for President in 2010.

717 Alcove-One  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:01:03pm

How did she let herself get tarred by SNL?

718 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:53pm

re: #378 Kenneth

When all the votes were finally recounted, and assessed to the same criteria, Bush came out further ahead than the official count. The only was Gore would have captured Florida is if the various methods of qualifying votes were applied in the different counties as specified in the Democrat's law suit.

In other words, by rejecting the Gore teams methods for counting votes differently in one county than in another, the Supreme Court prevented Gore from stealing the election.

It was the Bush standard that would have given Gore the win. By the strictest measure (the one favored by the Bush legal team) Gore won by 3 votes. It was Gore's standard that favored Bush. Ironic.

719 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:22:15pm

re: #716 Land Shark

I like Sarah too. But I think it's the culture of misogyny we witnessed that's not capable of electing any woman at this time. They were very cruel to hillary, too.

720 docremulac  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:23:41pm

re: #717 Alcove-One

"How did she let herself get tarred by SNL?"

By listing to McCain when he said they're all nice people over there, it's all in good fun or words to that effect. She even appeared on the show and they had her dance to a rap song to further make her look un-Presidential.

McCain is completely enamored by the "glamor" of the entertainment industry and gets foaming at the mouth starry eyed around famous pretty girls.

Check out this link of him stepping all over his tongue meeting one of the most repulsive figures in entertainment history, Anna Nichole Smith. You can't hear the audio very well but he mentions an episode of her tv show that he especially liked.

McCain making a fool of himself drooling over media whore Anna Nichole Smith

I'd say him being able to name specific episodes of Anna Nichole Smith's reality show is proof enough that he's not Presidential material.

721 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:24:52pm

re: #716 Land Shark

I like Sarah but somehow I do not think she would make a great candidate (although I would vote for her in a heartbeat over Hopey McChange). The MSM will eat her up - although freed from the baggage of that Cranky Old Fart McCain, she might come into her own as a candidate.

722 wintercat  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:25:15pm

The media will tie Palin up with her personal issues. Her (almost) son-in-law and his family...what a bunch they are. Of course, we will be hearing about Bristol's pregnancy until the baby is out of college or Palin drops out of politics. Funny, I don't recall the press being particularly interested in Obama's poverty striken brother or aunt. And they certainly weren't interested in destroying him with them. Yes, I know, we heard about them but the stories died quietly. Not so with Palin. The press hates her.

Of course, that is part of her appeal to me.

723 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #720 docremulac

McCain is completely enamored by the "glamor" of the entertainment industry and gets foaming at the mouth starry eyed around famous pretty girls.

McCain lives for the praise of Liberal Democrats.
Hey Maverick, how far did all that sucking up to the NY Times and Ted Kennedy get you last year when the rubber hit the road? Just asking.

724 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #719 Sharmuta

I like Sarah too. But I think it's the culture of misogyny we witnessed that's not capable of electing any woman at this time. They were very cruel to hillary, too.

Not electing anyyoung, attractive, conservative woman is more accurate.

725 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #713 zeebeach

We need to see what floats to the surface in terms of viable candidates for conservatives. Sanford, Gingrich, Jindal, Palin, Romney....?
I'm open to all of them and committed to none of them right now. However, any of them are better than our present CIC. IMHO

I really like JIm DeMint the Republican Senator from South Carolina.

726 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:34:53pm

re: #724 Joel

Not electing anyyoung, attractive, conservative woman is more accurate.

Yes- but I don't see a female on the left that could do it either, frankly.

727 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #689 MJ

Thank you!

728 Joel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #726 Sharmuta

Yes- but I don't see a female on the left that could do it either, frankly.

Don't kid your self. If Obama was not a candidate the MSM would have been groveling before the throne of our now incompetent Sec. of State.

729 LTC8K6  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:47:37pm

If Sarah had attempted to talk about Alaska's role in missile defense of the US, she would have been mercilessy ridiculed in the media. Chris Matthews would have been giggling away merrily at the very idea of Sarah defending the US.

We all know this is what would have happened. To attack Sarah for not setting herself up as bait on yet another topic is ridiculous, imo.

Sarah couldn't win against the stacked media deck. No one can. The media is still mercilessly flogging Sarah in public while blithely ignoring the mistakes made daily by Obama and Biden.

The deck remains stacked against Sarah or any Republican.

730 Maui Girl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 2:13:57pm

We were drowning in $150/barrels of oil, the Repub party is screaming drill here, drill now and still, all those starry eyed idiots voted for Obama.

Go figure. There would have been absolutely nothing Palin or McCain or anyone with an (R) behind their name could have done about this past election. HOPEfully enough people will realize come the 2010 elections that CHANGE in Congress is imperative.

731 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 2:21:41pm

re: #730 Maui Girl

Republicans held Congress for years under Bush. Why didn't they elect to drill here then?

732 Al in St. Lou  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 2:40:13pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

When all the B-2s we've built have been scrapped, there will still be a few B-52s in service. We either build more B-2s, or we design something newer and build it. I bring up the B-52s to show how short the B-2's lifespan is.

733 Hawaii69  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:01:54pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

The B2 is a plane without a mission. They were desigined for a reataliatory strike on the USSR. (or, a First Strike, depending who you believe). They're high maintenence, and not particularly suited for use as conventional warfare. There are only 20 in service, and it's unlikely that any more will be built.

What we do have is over 60 B-1 Lancers in service with
another 20 in reserve. They're supersonic, and can carry significantly more ordinance than the B2.

I don't see that there is a pressing need for new strategic heavy bombers. They've been replaced by
the ICBM.

734 Hawaii69  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:06:29pm

re: #732 Al in St. Lou

We've got almost times as many B1's in service as B-52's.

Using the B2 as a conventional bomber is a bit like using a titanium glof club as a hammer.

735 Hawaii69  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:17:04pm

re: #685 Dr. Shalit

The F-22 isn't goign to be discontinued until the
total current order of 187 is filled.

That's really quite a few, considering their capabilities.

The F-35 is still on track to have 30 in service by
2010, and eventually a force of over 2400.

736 Al in St. Lou  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:31:35pm

re: #734 Hawaii69

What I love about the B-1 is that it carries about ten times the ordinance of either a B-2 or a B-52. People talk about the B-1 a lot less than they talk about the stealthier B-2. I believe both were used when we invaded Iraq.

737 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:46:02pm

22 spacejesus
4/07/09 9:06:54 am -76

beauty queen turned politician realizes north korea exists, news at 11

Seventy-six downdings, is this a new LGF record?

738 Clubsec  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:52:09pm

Long range bombers. We have 52G's don't know how many but soon the great grandsons & granddaughters of the folks who built them are going to crew them. B2's? We have about 40 and they are designed to deliver silver bullets ... they do OK with regular ordnance but in a real war (a capable enemy with tough layered modern air defenses) the risk reward (effectiveness) trade-offs are not favorable. B-1 ... fast but vulnerable. Speed will get you noticed on the modern battle space.
We must move forward with a replacement for our air attack systems.
Tactical Tomahawks are very effective but facing a capable air defense system (even the Iraqi units) they must be sent in at night. Sorry but modern wars fought by modern warriors don't stop at sundown.

Missile Defense ... I've worked it from Brilliant Pebbles thru EKV. Word was, a decade ago we were to build 100 EKV Payloads. Not sure what the number is today. 100 interceptor's in silos is a pretty formidable defense system. And we are serious about the success of the system. As a smart scientist friend said, "If this doesn't work you don't want to be near any targeted area."

Missile Offense? Don't get me started. We are relying on boosters with motors that were cast in the 1970's for crying' out loud. We canceled the MX a decade ago. The Russians have fielded their 4th generation of ICBMs in the same time frame. Go figure.

ObamUH, Mr. Soros, Biden, Pelosi, et al, will see to the crippling of this country. And the media will not challenge them.

We should have buried our veterans at Arlington with Samarium-Cobalt magnets in their pockets. Wrapped the whole cemetery with copper wire. We could power most homes and industries east of the Mississippi with electricity generated by those noble bodies spinning in their graves.

We need LEADERSHIP and what we have are pencil-necked, pinheaded, puffy-eared LAWYERS with NO experience whatsoever running this country. Teleprompter President indeed!

I think we're fucked. But that is my optimistic side speaking.

739 Walter E. Wallis  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 5:11:57pm

Imagine if the libs had not shut down the Nike Zeus. Today we would have had a 5th or 6th generation system.

740 Hawaii69  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 5:56:12pm

re: #739 Walter E. Wallis

Imagine if the libs had not shut down the Nike Zeus. Today we would have had a 5th or 6th generation system.


The Nike was killed by the development of MIRVS....not "the libs""

741 docremulac  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:56pm

re: #740 Hawaii69

The Nike was killed by the development of MIRVS....not "the libs""

I believe the Nike Zeus and subsequent Nike X system was discontinued in 1967. The first MIRV equipped Soviet missile was the SS-17 Mod 1 that was deployed eight years later in 1975.

742 meh130  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:22:25am

re: #113 Right mind left

I don't care about her irritating religious views ...

I for one am still trying to figure out what Palin's religious views are.

Yuval Levin, in Commentary had an the best article on Palin I have read: "The Meaning of Sarah Palin".

Levin points out somehow Palin became a caricature composed of the evangelical right's best hopes and the mainstream left's worst fears:

[By the left] "She was described as a religious zealot, an anti-abortion extremist, a blind champion of abstinence-only sex education. She was said to have sought to make rape victims pay for their own medical exams, to have Alaska secede from the Union, and to get Pat Buchanan elected President. She was reported to believe that the Iraq war was mandated by God, that the endtimes prophesied in the Book of Revelation were nearing and only Alaska would survive, and that global warming was purely a myth. None of this was true."

[From the right] " ... having warmly accepted her unborn child with Down syndrome and having supported and encouraged her teenage daughter’s decision to bring to term an unplanned pregnancy and to marry the baby’s father, Palin instantly became an icon of the pro-life cause. It seemed to matter not a whit that Palin had never taken any action on abortion in her time as governor, and rarely had much to say on the subject."


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
Cheechako
Yesterday
Views: 79 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 253 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1