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So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it was science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea.

Glenn Beck

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1 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:03:42am

I think you are way out of line with this post, Charles.

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2 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:03:42am

What does that mean?

3 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:03:50am

Glenn Beck !


chances of a meltdown 100%

grab an umbrella

4 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:00am

Okay, now that HAD to be a wink to LGF, no?

5 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:17am

An odd ramble. It almost makes sense.

6 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:18am

Hmmm . . .from Palin to Beck. A wee bit of fat on the fire there?

7 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #2 MandyManners

What does that mean?

so it wasn't just me?

8 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:04:56am

Arg mateys, we'ze haves us a rabble to rouse!

9 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:05:21am

Let's call this the Brunch thread!

10 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:05:40am

re: #6 Creeping Eruption

Hmmm . . .from Palin to Beck. A wee bit of fat on the fire there?

Nah. Beck's become quite a clown, IMHO.

11 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:05:42am

North Korea's state-run media reported Tuesday that Kim Jong-Il shed tears of regret during the country's controversial rocket launch because he could not use the launch funds to provide aid to his people, the AFP reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Kinda brings a tear to my eye?

12 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:10am
13 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:22am

re: #9 rightside

Let's call this the Brunch thread!

I'm enjoying a nice bowl of Carnitas Kimchee Noodles right now

14 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:22am

Maybe, to continue the pop-music meme with this guy, Beck's really a Moby?

Could he possibly do more to make us look like a bunch of snake-shaking fundies?

15 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:35am

WJR news Detroit reporterette was just now discussing a lady who just died from Spontaneous human combustion.

how ironic in a thread sure to yield multiple troll meltedowns.

16 gopninja  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:36am

lol that entire network doesnt qualify as news anymore

17 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:48am

Is Beck referring to Josef Mengele?

18 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:49am

re: #11 Nevergiveup

North Korea's state-run media reported Tuesday that Kim Jong-Il shed tears of regret during the country's controversial rocket launch because he could not use the launch funds to provide aid to his people, the AFP reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Kinda brings a tear to my eye?

Quite the humanitarian, isn't he?

19 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:51am

re: #2 MandyManners

What does that mean?

Science bad.

20 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:06:58am

Is he trying to say that we are giving control to the same group that advocated killing the mentally ill and sterilizing persons of color?

21 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:09am

We need to reconsider these open threads. I'm all for diversity but shouldn't we use a bit of judgement in who we let in to our tent?

Ex Nihilo creation of thread topics just distracts from the more scientific persuit of the archived topics.

/

22 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:11am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ugh! we get too much of a real kimchee smell here at work!

23 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #9 rightside

Let's call this the Brunch thread!

would that be the Brady Brunch thread?

24 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

NPR was ejaculating all over itself with joy this morning because Obama's poll numbers are supposedly in the positive mid-sixties, while the Republicans' poll numbers are supposedly in the mere mid-thirties.

They also mentioned some Turk who supposedly sacrificed 44 goats, or sheep, or wives, or something, in homage to Obama because "he is one of us."

pardon me while i puke

25 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:33am

Is there going to be any "right/conservative" people left to gravitate to. They are all self destructing.

I am starting to feel lost.

26 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:37am

re: #17 x-wing

Is Beck referring to Josef Mengele?

The whole Darwin = Eugenics = Nazis meme is wrapped up in that.

27 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:07:57am

re: #9 rightside

Let's call this the Brunch thread!

Actually I think this is the hunt and Beck thread.

28 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:08:33am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect


Your type of thread?

29 freetoken  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:08:48am

re: #2 MandyManners

What does that mean?

Let's finish the quote to see more:

So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea.

So now we know why Fox hired Beck: to make O'Reilly look mainstream.

30 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:08:52am

re: #23 sattv4u2

would that be the Brady Brunch thread?

If the Brady Bunch were true to life, either there would have been blood everywhere or everyone would have been jumping from on bed to the other?

31 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:08:55am
32 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:08:58am

re: #23 sattv4u2

would that be the Brady Brunch thread?

It's always 'Marcia, Marcia, Marcia'!

33 Tumulus11  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:00am

. Did Mr. Beck make the science lady sit in the corner?

34 jaunte  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:13am

The science, she should know her place.
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35 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:16am

Moronic stem cell research.

The good stem cells for you are your own stem cells, so unless you were aborted as a fetus, the odds are outstanding that any money spent on fetal stem cells will be of small use to you.

36 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:09:19am

I don't know much, if anything, about Beck. He's not on any radio I listen to in my drive hours, and I don't have TV. I'm guessing that it's a good thing?

37 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:10:33am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey NPR - heh. I really like the two Jazz stations here in Atlanta (not the easy listening one, please don't confuse the two genres) but its a dangerous game. Sometimes I park the car with Miles or Traine and then start it the next morning to hear old hippies fawning over the coming Democratic utopia or someone hawking a recipe for Schwetty Balls.

38 Claire  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:03am

So the Nazi's were progressive? I thought progressive was all about inclusivity. Aryan purity doesn't quite fit there. Hmmm..........

39 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #36 Russkilitlover

I don't know much, if anything, about Beck. He's not on any radio I listen to in my drive hours, and I don't have TV. I'm guessing that it's a good thing?

I know nothing about him either, but he seems to show up on other peoples shows also all the time, even early in the AM. I guess he has no life ( as I spent my day on LGF?)?

40 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #35 itellu3times

Moronic stem cell research.

The good stem cells for you are your own stem cells, so unless you were aborted as a fetus, the odds are outstanding that any money spent on fetal stem cells will be of small use to you.

Unless they find a way to get bone marrow out of an unborn baby and store it for use later in his/her life.

41 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:12am

re: #28 rightside

Your type of thread?

I am trying to move to the font of the class.

42 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:13am

re: #30 Nevergiveup

If the Brady Bunch were true to life, either there would have been blood everywhere or everyone would have been jumping from on bed to the other?

The thing that amazed me is that Dad was an archetect, yet 3 adults and 6 kids lived in a 3 bedroom house !

43 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:25am

re: #36 Russkilitlover

I don't know much, if anything, about Beck. He's not on any radio I listen to in my drive hours, and I don't have TV. I'm guessing that it's a good thing?


no Beck, & no TV? win-win imho.

44 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:52am

re: #42 sattv4u2

The thing that amazed me is that Dad was an archetect, yet 3 adults and 6 kids lived in a 3 bedroom house !

No one ever said he was a good architect, or that he made much money at it.

45 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:11:55am

re: #41 Ford_Prefect

serif I only knew that.

46 Pietr  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:20am

I've been trying to catch up for hours, but have to go out; so I jumped ahead, to post this. My apologies to anyone in about the last 500 comments, or so, for not reading and updinging where I saw fit/agreed. BBIAB.....

47 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:22am

re: #42 sattv4u2

The thing that amazed me is that Dad was an archetect, yet 3 adults and 6 kids lived in a 3 bedroom house !

They never really said how many bathrooms there were?

48 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:23am
If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution?

an interesting quote. An ignorant quote..

using Beck's logic, are we helping out evolution or hurting evolution when we treat a person who has a life threatening medical condition?

.

49 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:25am

re: #29 freetoken

So now we know why Fox hired Beck: to make O'Reilly look mainstream.

Ah. The notion that the belief in evolution produced genocide.

Idiot.

50 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:28am

re: #24 Nevergiveup

pardon me while i puke

Not on the brunch thread! Have you no manners?

51 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:32am

Afternoon everyone! Just a little pet peeve.

I keep hearing about "national health care". No, it's not. When this administration (or Hillary in the 90's for example) talk about this, what they're really talking about is "national health insurance" (such as expanding programs like Medicare).

My problem is with the misdirection - probably intentional.

Health care is what the doctor provides.
Health insurance is what an insurance company (or - if this all passes - the government) provides.

There's always something attached to policy decisions called "unintended consequences".

IOW, the administration could certainly pass "national health care" as they call it, and everyone would have "national heath insurance".

The big question is - will there be enough doctors to provide "national health care"?

If not, that national health insurance card will be about as useful as that Circuit City card in our wallets.

52 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:48am

If we isolate Glenn Beck's stem cells, will it be possible to grow him a brain?

53 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:51am

re: #42 sattv4u2

The thing that amazed me is that Dad was an archetect, yet 3 adults and 6 kids lived in a 3 bedroom house !

If you looked closely at Mr. Bradys drawing table it contained plans for bunk beds. /

54 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:12:59am

Would San Serif be a new Hispanic saint?

55 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #50 Russkilitlover

Not on the brunch thread! Have you no manners?

According to my wife-no

56 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:25am

re: #54 Cygnus

Would San Serif be a new Hispanic saint?

Yes, the patron saint of Sansa Belt Slacks.

57 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:25am

re: #38 Claire

So the Nazi's were progressive? I thought progressive was all about inclusivity. Aryan purity doesn't quite fit there. Hmmm..........


Actually in the 1930s the Nazi party was considered very progressive and ahead of it's time by a whole bunch of people all over Europe and the US.

Unfortunately those people did not read Hitlers book and look at what that got us.

58 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:28am

re: #52 SixDegrees

If we isolate Glenn Beck's stem cells, will it be possible to grow him a brain?

not on my tax dollar...

59 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:56am

re: #45 rightside

serif I only knew that.

well, if I am going to candid, it is a complex issue.

60 Buck  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:13:59am

re: #40 Cygnus

Wow that is a bit outside....

I mean they say Circumcision is child abuse, I really can't imagine removing bone marrow...

61 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:05am

re: #53 DaddyG

If you looked closely at Mr. Bradys drawing table it contained plans for bunk beds. /

I thought that every night one of the kids slept with the parents?

62 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:10am
63 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:38am

re: #41 Ford_Prefect

I am trying to move to the font of the class.

This video wasn't long enough, so we made it double-spaced.

64 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:38am

No defense of Glenn's comment.

But question:
Is it embryonic stem cells = pointless?
and adult stem cells = good?

From what I have heard that is the case.

65 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:14:45am

Bloodsucking Vampires Barack Obama, Barney Frank, Democrats

"Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers"

66 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:05am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey
EWWWWWW!

that is all I have to say...

EWWWWWW!

67 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:10am

Alleged Iranian Nuke Smuggling Plot Involving New York City Banks Uncovered

A New York district attorney announced a sweeping indictment, charging a businessman with setting up accounts at New York banks to help Iran get nuclear weapons materials.

The 118-count indictment from Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau's office accused Chinese national Li Fang Wei and his company LIMMT Economic and Trade Co. LLC of violating a United Nations embargo with nearly 60 transactions over the past two years.

The indictment said Li used shell companies and bank accounts with aliases to transfer money for the transactions between November 2006 and September 2008.

But...But...Hillary made friends with the Chinese and PBO's visit to Turkey were the Islamist said they like us now.

What went wrong?
//

68 Buck  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:34am

re: #64 Oh no...Sand People!

No defense of Glenn's comment.

But question:
Is it embryonic stem cells = pointless?
and adult stem cells = good?

From what I have heard that is the case.

adult stem cells = not using dead babies... seems good enough for me.

69 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:38am

re: #63 jcm

This video wasn't long enough, so we made it double-spaced.

You must have been Roman the web for that one.

70 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #67 jorline

Alleged Iranian Nuke Smuggling Plot Involving New York City Banks Uncovered

But...But...Hillary made friends with the Chinese and PBO's visit to Turkey where the Islamist said they like us now.

What went wrong?
//

PIMF...where

71 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

The episodes which showed the strange cultlike sexual mating rituals between the two sets of stepsiblings were suppressed by the network, but will probably surface on YouTube in a year or so.

There was a Brady Bunch movie where Jan and Greg had a little thing going for a while.

72 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #59 Ford_Prefect

Fontography is complex, leading us to new types of media

73 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #72 rightside

Fontography is complex, leading us to new types of media

Wow, that was a wingding of a pun.

74 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:16:51am

re: #37 DaddyG

I stopped listening to NPR in DC (WAMU, 88.5 FM) when they got rid of most of their country and bluegrass programs and stopped airing American Routes.

75 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:02am

re: #71 Cygnus

Greg dated Carol once LOL

76 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:18am

re: #75 rightside

Greg dated Carol once LOL

EWWWWWWW

77 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:20am

re: #25 Erik The Red

Is there going to be any "right/conservative" people left to gravitate to. They are all self destructing.

I am starting to feel lost.

I've caught just a few snippets of Beck since he's been on Fox and the few things I saw didn't revolt or offend me. I'm getting an uneasy feeling that we're developing into a situation where we are Custer's troopers and decide now is the time to settle gambling differences and squabbles instead of looking at all the Indians out there that need to get shot............

78 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:28am

re: #67 jorline

Alleged Iranian Nuke Smuggling Plot Involving New York City Banks Uncovered


But...But...Hillary made friends with the Chinese and PBO's visit to Turkey were the Islamist said they like us now.

What went wrong?
//

Reset button broke.

79 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:17:49am

re: #47 Nevergiveup

They never really said how many bathrooms there were?

Neighbor's kid: Dad, Mr Brady is peeing in the yard again.
Son, he has three daughters and one bathroom. He probably hasn't seen the inside of the bathroom in years.

80 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:09am

taking Glenn Beck's strawman to it's logical conclusion.

Eugenics and Insulin are equal and opposite entities

Glenn is full of shit

81 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:13am

re: #75 rightside

Greg dated Carol once LOL

The truth of all that really went on is probably weirder than any of us could imagine.

82 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:13am

re: #76 Cygnus

seriously, offscreen, he asked her out on a date, and IIRC, they went out on one. Nothing happened though for the ewwww factor!

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:14am

re: #51 subsailor68

IOW, the administration could certainly pass "national health care" as they call it, and everyone would have "national heath insurance".

The big question is - will there be enough doctors to provide "national health care"?

In the end it's really the same thing. Once the doctors' only source of income becomes the the government (by was of insurance payments) then it's really the same as socialized medicine. The only difference is they receive money through a government insurance agency instead of just getting a direct paycheck.

84 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:38am

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

Neighbor's kid: Dad, Mr Brady is peeing in the yard again.
Son, he has three daughters and one bathroom. He probably hasn't seen the inside of the bathroom in years.

And the bathroom has no toilet. Never seen one there.

85 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:38am

re: #3 Shug

I predict a riot :D

86 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:18:58am

re: #64 Oh no...Sand People!

No defense of Glenn's comment.

But question:
Is it embryonic stem cells = pointless?
and adult stem cells = good?

From what I have heard that is the case.

So far the majority positive research in stem cells come sources other than embryonic.

87 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:14am

Beck does say some batshit things but I will give him credit in that the other day on the TV program he called 9/11 truthers and those that follow Alex Jones, insane...

88 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:17am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

The episodes which showed the strange cultlike sexual mating rituals between the two sets of stepsiblings were suppressed by the network, but will probably surface on YouTube in a year or so.

And just between the two sets.

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!", Jan cried in ecstasy...

89 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:20am
90 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

Neighbor's kid: Dad, Mr Brady is peeing in the yard again.
Son, he has three daughters and one bathroom. He probably hasn't seen the inside of the bathroom in years.

That explains the mowing of the Astroturf. The grass all died from ammonia overload.

91 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #7 brookly red

so it wasn't just me?

Nope. I have no idea what he meant, either.

92 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:00am

re: #82 rightside

seriously, offscreen, he asked her out on a date, and IIRC, they went out on one. Nothing happened though for the ewwww factor!

IIRC it was Howard Stern had Jan on the phone for an interview once, and a whole bunch of ewww stuff was going on during the latter stages of that show.

93 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:01am

You guys are sick.

94 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:07am

re: #73 Ford_Prefect

Wow, that was a wingding of a pun.

You kern get a lot into a tight space.

95 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:07am

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

As an architect, Mr. Brady flushed with embarrassment.

I guess he didn't notice that little omission on the blueprints. Oops.

96 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:17am

re: #88 Occasional Reader

And not just between the two sets.

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!", Jan cried in ecstasy...

Oops. Key word missing there.

97 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #93 MandyManners

You guys are sick.

I resemble that!

98 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:43am

BBIAW

99 Kragar  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:49am

Man, my foot is killing me right now, caught the nail of my big toe in the edge of shower door railing and it pulled partially loose, got it wrapped in gauze but its aching like a SOB right now

100 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:20:51am

re: #93 MandyManners

You guys are sick.


Is that a compliment or a complaint?

101 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #94 jcm

You kern get a lot into a tight space.

I gothic down.

102 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:21am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

In the end it's really the same thing. Once the doctors' only source of income becomes the the government (by was of insurance payments) then it's really the same as socialized medicine. The only difference is they receive money through a government insurance agency instead of just getting a direct paycheck.

Hi Killgore!

Yep. My town has a lot of retirees on Medicare. We also generally have a shortage of physicians, and some of the ones we do have don't take Medicare. The reasons are 1) the paperwork is horrendous and 2) the payments for DRG's are usually insufficient. I can actually envision our physician shortage becoming a national trend.

103 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:24am

re: #93 MandyManners

You guys are sick.

Is that a criticism or a complement?

104 see bs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:29am

Can't remember if I saw it posted here, but reading the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel.

If you get a chance check it out. It's kind of a depressing subject, but great ammo against any socialist.

105 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:42am

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discussing the coming New World Order:

106 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:47am

re: #100 DaddyG

Is that a compliment or a complaint?

Mandy doesn't complain, she lets here clue bat do that......

107 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:56am

Dinner time for me - sea kittens(smoked haddock) in milk with mashed potatoes. BBL

108 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:57am

re: #84 Cygnus

And the bathroom has no toilet. Never seen one there.

I suppose it could have been a Turkish toilet--given Mr. Brady's "lifestyle"

109 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #100 DaddyG

Is that a compliment or a complaint?

You must be a sick as me?

110 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:03am

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, my foot is killing me right now, caught the nail of my big toe in the edge of shower door railing and it pulled partially loose, got it wrapped in gauze but its aching like a SOB right now

OW! *sympathetic cringe*

111 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #86 jcm

So far the majority positive research in stem cells come sources other than embryonic.

The absolute worst are adolescent stem cells. They just sulk in the corner of the test tube, listening to emo music and refusing to do anything.

112 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:25am

re: #101 Ford_Prefect

I gothic down.


Shift your attitude and get off of his case.

113 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:34am

re: #101 Ford_Prefect

I gothic down.

Making puns for the helvitica of it .

114 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:50am

re: #112 DaddyG

Shift your attitude and get off of his case.

Hey, mind your p's and q's, buddy!

115 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:53am

Don't know how long this has been up, but Drudge->NYDailyNews has a seriously interesting article titled
Iranian nuke plot vaporized in the city

I put that in the spinoff threads.
Later! I gots appointments.

116 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:22:59am

re: #91 Dianna

Nope. I have no idea what he meant, either.

/ i think it means seroquel 200mg, twice a day to start...

117 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:05am

re: #103 Nevergiveup
GMTA

118 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:08am

re: #88 Occasional Reader

And just between the two sets.

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!", Jan cried in ecstasy...

You didn't just go there, did you? **checks back to comment** You DID!

119 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:10am

re: #111 Occasional Reader

The absolute worst are adolescent stem cells. They just sulk in the corner of the test tube, listening to emo music and refusing to do anything.

I dunno, I have a lot of trouble with toddler stem cells.
NO! NO! NO!

120 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:13am
121 so.cal.swede  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:14am

i have no idea what mr. beck is saying.

122 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:33am

re: #113 calcajun

Making puns for the helvitica of it .

I was trying to insert that one before.

123 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:41am

re: #121 so.cal.swede

i have no idea what mr. beck is saying.

Neither does he.

124 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #113 calcajun

Making puns for the helvitica of it .

If we're gonna get into font puns, I'm climbing the roof to get an Arial view of this thread.

125 so.cal.swede  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:24:04am

re: #88 Occasional Reader

And just between the two sets.

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!", Jan cried in ecstasy...

I'd watch that episode.

126 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:24:29am

re: #101 Ford_Prefect

I gothic down.

bottom baseline, I have to go text the courier

127 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:24:44am

re: #114 Guanxi88

Hey, mind your p's and q's, buddy!

You must be one of those Qwerty boys!

128 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #123 Guanxi88

Neither does he.

rimshot

129 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #38 Claire

So the Nazi's were progressive? I thought progressive was all about inclusivity. Aryan purity doesn't quite fit there. Hmmm..........

They certainly weren't conservative. They were leftist radicals. They just weren't as far left as the Communists, so the Commies called the Nazis (National "Socialists", remember) a rightist element.

130 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:16am

re: #118 Russkilitlover

You didn't just go there, did you? **checks back to comment** You DID!

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!"

131 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:24am

re: #125 so.cal.swede

I'd watch that episode.

And record it for watching again and again, right?

132 mfarmer1  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:36am

I swear I just don't get this argument. Bottom line for me, I'm just happy to be here and don't care if it's a result of God, evolution, chaos, or any combination of any of those things or whatever. Adam and Eve or a giant rat? I couldn't care less.

133 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #118 Russkilitlover

In the book "growing up brady" you can read about the "makeout" sessions in tiger's doghouse. No word on what pairs were in there though!

134 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:26:25am

re: #119 jcm

I dunno, I have a lot of trouble with toddler stem cells.
NO! NO! NO!


Will Viagra help with sagging middle aged stem cells?

135 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:26:32am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

In the end it's really the same thing. Once the doctors' only source of income becomes the the government (by was of insurance payments) then it's really the same as socialized medicine. The only difference is they receive money through a government insurance agency instead of just getting a direct paycheck.

Actually, if everyone is covered it isn't insurance anymore. It's universal coverage. Insurance configures policies and sets rates by assessing risks and by restricting access, thereby mitigating those risks. Groups with higher risk of incurring costs pay higher premiums, or don't get covered at all; those with lower risk get lower rates. You can also choose how much risk you want to pay for, in most cases.

Universal coverage is nothing like this. Coverage and cost is exactly the same for everyone, regardless of risk. And rates can no longer be controlled through risk mitigation or provider incentives; coverage is mandated through a process driven by politics rather than actuarial data.

It's difficult to call this insurance, except that it takes the place of insurance and provides a superficially similar product in it's place.

[/end rant]

136 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:26:58am
137 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:08am

re: #127 DaddyG

You must be one of those Qwerty boys!

Just because a guy doesn't go in for sports, likes to dress nicely, and digs old movies and music ...

138 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #133 rightside

In the book "growing up brady" you can read about the "makeout" sessions in tiger's doghouse. No word on what pairs were in there though!

I'm guessing tiger and the cat.

139 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:22am

re: #134 DaddyG

Will Viagra help with sagging middle aged stem cells?

Do they have middle age stem cell crises and start wearing teeny little gold chains?

140 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:32am

re: #132 mfarmer1

I swear I just don't get this argument. Bottom line for me, I'm just happy to be here and don't care if it's a result of God, evolution, chaos, or any combination of any of those things or whatever. Adam and Eve or a giant rat? I couldn't care less.

You forgot to include the flying spaghetti monster. He will now erase your existence from the space time continuum for that slip up.

141 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:32am

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you know how small that doghouse was...

LOL

142 so.cal.swede  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:27:55am

re: #125 so.cal.swede

I'd watch that episode.

NNNooooo! innocence GONE!

[Link: www.starpulse.com...]

143 FrogMarch  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:07am

re: #2 MandyManners

What does that mean?


He doesn't even make any sense. He should stick to the comedy routine.

144 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #124 subsailor68

If we're gonna get into font puns, I'm climbing the roof to get an Arial view of this thread.

Since my carriage has not returned, I'll grab the next stagecoach and avoid all of your braggadocio

145 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

In the end it's really the same thing. Once the doctors' only source of income becomes the the government (by was of insurance payments) then it's really the same as socialized medicine. The only difference is they receive money through a government insurance agency instead of just getting a direct paycheck.

My doc definitely is not going to go along with that. She came here from Russia to get the hell away from that kind of thing.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:31am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arg mateys, we'ze haves us a rabble to rouse!

Talk like a Pirate day came early? /

147 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

Who said anything about mere "pairs?"

Tiger sent out invites to The Big Red Dog, Marmaduke, and Barfy.

148 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:28:36am

re: #134 DaddyG

Will Viagra help with sagging middle aged stem cells?

If you surround them with younger sexier stem cells you won't need the viagra

149 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #125 so.cal.swede

I'd watch that episode.

Me too, and I hated that show.

150 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:29:35am

re: #137 Guanxi88

Just because a guy doesn't go in for sports, likes to dress nicely, and digs old movies and music ...

Just how many Judy Garland and Streisand records DO you have?

151 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:29:37am

re: #144 calcajun

Since my carriage has not returned, I'll grab the next stagecoach and avoid all of your braggadocio

I think we are going to need a proxy thread here soon.

152 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #148 Shug

If you surround them with younger sexier stem cells you won't need the viagra

yeah but that can cost alot of mon.....ugh never mind

153 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #148 Shug

If you surround them with younger sexier stem cells you won't need the viagra


Yes but too much of that and you will need Doan's pills instead.

154 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!"

Gawd, Brother and I lived for that show - and the Partridge Family and on Sundays, Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and, of course, The Wonderful World of Disney.

155 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:26am

re: #90 DaddyG

That explains the mowing of the Astroturf. The grass all died from ammonia overload.

Plus spotlights aren't as good as sunlight.
In the mid-90's. I won a trip to LA based on answering a simple question on Star Trek Deep Space 9 and being the right name picked out of the hat.
We didn't get on the DS9 set, but they had just finished filming one of the Brady Bunch movies, and the set was still mostly set up. We did get on that one.
The yard, of course, is in a soundstage, with painted backdrops.

(I did get to see Terry Farrell (Jadziya Dax), though.)

156 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #142 so.cal.swede


Thank you for that linkage!

Heh.

157 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #148 Shug

If you surround them with younger sexier stem cells you won't need the viagra

We'd better stem the tide soon.

158 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:33am

What I'd like to know is when is Talk Like Dick Vitale Day going to become official?

/baby!

159 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:36am

re: #135 SixDegrees

Terrific point! And your rant reinforces my rant. The politicians aren't even honest enough to call 'national health insurance' by your much more accurate term 'universal coverage'.

Your point: Coverage and cost is exactly the same for everyone, regardless of risk. And rates can no longer be controlled through risk mitigation or provider incentives; coverage is mandated through a process driven by politics rather than actuarial data.

Seems right on to me. And we see the results in Canada and Britain.

160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:45am

While we're on the anti-science topic, noted Academy Award winning pencil Gywneth Paltrow claims that shampoo causes cancer!

161 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:30:47am

re: #154 Russkilitlover

Gawd, Brother and I lived for that show - and the Partridge Family and on Sundays, Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and, of course, The Wonderful World of Disney.

With our Bosco or Ovaltine and Food Sticks. Those were the days....

162 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:04am

re: #151 Ford_Prefect

I think we are going to need a proxy thread here soon.

Well, aren't we just the beesknees.

163 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:15am
164 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

What I'd like to know is when is Talk Like Dick Vitale Day going to become official?

/baby!

I don't know, but I have hair like Dick Vitale.

165 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #150 calcajun

Just how many Judy Garland and Streisand records DO you have?

So far as I know, they never did an album together, so the answer is none.

(I go for the older stuff - in terms of music. Kurt Weil et al.)

166 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:21am

This is a point I have nagging at the top of my tinfoil hat. When the 'wealth' of an individual is no longer sacred, which we know it isn't, and is available to assist the the 'greater good' of society. 1,000,000 dollars in the hands of 1 person is unfair! Let's take that money and give 10 people 100,000 thousand dollars to be 'equitable' and socially just!

Let's take that into upcoming progressive 'health care'. "Why, you have lived a life that has allowed you to be 'healthy'. You didn't have any 'recreational' hobbies and lucked out enough in the gene pool so as to not have any debilitating diseases. These, your fellow man, haven't been so lucky, so therefore these 5 people need assistance. 5 is greater than 1 and for to be fair and 'equitable' it is necessary to harvest your parts to assist them."

/tinfoil hat off....

167 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:24am

re: #20 JohnnyReb

Is he trying to say that we are giving control to the same group that advocated killing the mentally ill and sterilizing persons of color?

Why should they get all the benefit? I know plenty of filthy white folks who could use a good washing up, too.

Wouldn't go so far as to actually sterilize them, though. I'd settle for a good hot bath for them.

168 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:28am

For those of you who are tired of embryonic stem cells being promoted as the miracle cure for everything - check out this link, with Oprah video goodness.

169 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:31:58am

re: #162 calcajun

Well, aren't we just the beesknees.

?

Is that really a font?

170 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:02am

re: #161 Russkilitlover

With our Bosco or Ovaltine and Food Sticks. Those were the days....

You mean Space Food Sticks? Man, those were nasty-tasting!

171 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:12am

re: #115 jwb7605

Don't know how long this has been up, but Drudge->NYDailyNews has a seriously interesting article titled
Iranian nuke plot vaporized in the city

I put that in the spinoff threads.
Later! I gots appointments.

Here's a copy of the DA's press release, and a copy of the indictment. My coverage is here.

172 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:14am

re: #102 subsailor68

My stepfather has medicare too. He has to drive 3 hours (each way) to go to a doctor that takes medicare.

173 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:15am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

While we're on the anti-science topic, noted Academy Award winning pencil Gywneth Paltrow claims that shampoo causes cancer!


Not to worry. Her head isn't protecting any vital organs of use to her.

174 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #168 tedzilla99

Rush talked about that during the first hour today. Okrah was horrified, that it can't be politicized anymore.

175 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:49am

re: #154 Russkilitlover

Gawd, Brother and I lived for that show - and the Partridge Family and on Sundays, Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and, of course, The Wonderful World of Disney.

Are you my sister?!

176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #161 Russkilitlover

With our Bosco or Ovaltine and Food Sticks. Those were the days....

If we're back to yesterday's topics, I forgot to mention that I was once "shushed" by NHL Hall-of-Famer Bernie Parent.

177 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:33:05am

re: #161 Russkilitlover

With our Bosco or Ovaltine and Food Sticks. Those were the days....

Bosco! Gawd-- you just dated yourself. I love Wild Kingdom, but I'm sure Jim got damn tired of force-breast feeding wildcats while Marlin Perkins stayed 100yrds away and watched.

178 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:33:08am

re: #170 Cygnus

You mean Space Food Sticks? Man, those were nasty-tasting!

But they were seriously cool cause the astronauts ate them. Well at least thats what the commercials told us right?

179 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

My stepfather has medicare too. He has to drive 3 hours (each way) to go to a doctor that takes medicare.

God bless him. I hope his health is at least okay. It's a terrific burden on older folks to have to face that kind of stress.

180 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #166 Oh no...Sand People!

GOD FORBID! (but nothing would suprise me)

181 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

While we're on the anti-science topic, noted Academy Award winning pencil Gywneth Paltrow claims that shampoo causes cancer!

When I'm President, I'm going to declare martial law in Hollywood, and send all the celebs to Marine boot camp for six weeks to straighten them out a little.

Vote for me.

182 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:34:32am

re: #155 Kosh's Shadow

Plus spotlights aren't as good as sunlight.
In the mid-90's. I won a trip to LA based on answering a simple question on Star Trek Deep Space 9 and being the right name picked out of the hat.
We didn't get on the DS9 set, but they had just finished filming one of the Brady Bunch movies, and the set was still mostly set up. We did get on that one.
The yard, of course, is in a soundstage, with painted backdrops.

(I did get to see Terry Farrell (Jadziya Dax), though.)

When I was a little girl, we got to see the Perry Mason office set. I remember it very well - it was my favorite show, tied with Dragnet. It was awesome.

183 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:34:47am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

While we're on the anti-science topic, noted Academy Award winning pencil Gywneth Paltrow claims that shampoo causes cancer!

Well, if she says it it must be true. /

184 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:05am

re: #165 Guanxi88

So far as I know, they never did an album together, so the answer is none.

(I go for the older stuff - in terms of music. Kurt Weil et al.)

and all Lotte Lenya is known for now is a poisoned shoe.

185 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:06am
186 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:11am

re: #177 calcajun

Bosco! Gawd-- you just dated yourself. I love Wild Kingdom, but I'm sure Jim got damn tired of force-breast feeding wildcats while Marlin Perkins stayed 100yrds away and watched.

"While Jim wrestles that alligator into submission, let me take this opportunity to tell you about the coverage offered by Mutual of Omaha."

187 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:19am

"The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[9] drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. "

I didn't know that ...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

First Beck and now Hanity are getting too much for turn to bear. I actually miss Allen, Sean's show turned into the right wing equivalent of Olberman after he left IMO. Really, the format is so similar.

188 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:27am

re: #159 subsailor68

Terrific point! And your rant reinforces my rant. The politicians aren't even honest enough to call 'national health insurance' by your much more accurate term 'universal coverage'.

Your point: Coverage and cost is exactly the same for everyone, regardless of risk. And rates can no longer be controlled through risk mitigation or provider incentives; coverage is mandated through a process driven by politics rather than actuarial data.

Seems right on to me. And we see the results in Canada and Britain.

Last night, I was talking to a mental health counselor, and he is so fed up with the insurance companies telling him and the doctors what they can and cannot do, that he actually thinks the government will be better. I tried to convince him, but he said its so bad it can't get worse.
Boy, will he be surprised.

189 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:29am

re: #180 UberInfidel67

GOD FORBID! (but nothing would suprise me)

I guess that since the individual means nothing to the 'greater good', what would stop it in the future...China is all about harvesting parts. They give zero care about people, 'Eh, we got a few spare billion in the backroom...'

190 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #181 Occasional Reader

When I'm President, I'm going to declare martial law in Hollywood, and send all the celebs to Marine boot camp for six weeks to straighten them out a little.

Vote for me.

Doesn't she live in London now?

191 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:38am

re: #177 calcajun

Bosco! Gawd-- you just dated yourself. I love Wild Kingdom, but I'm sure Jim got damn tired of force-breast feeding wildcats while Marlin Perkins stayed 100yrds away and watched.

"Watch Jim wrestle a shark with a laser on its head! Oh, be careful, Jim. Well, it sure looks like Jim has his hands full now."

192 HippieforLife  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:35:55am

Glenn Beck grew up in Mt Vernon WA just a few miles from my hometown of Sedro Woolley WA. His family owned a bakery and I remember it so I have kind of a soft spot for him.

But, he does tend to get carried away. At least he seems to have a sense of humor which is too often missing from left leaning commentators. Teaming up with Ron Paul is a big mistake.

The Koskidz are going ape and blaming him for causing the man who shot the Philly police officers to go nuts! The moral relativity on the left is staggering. Personally, I find the gun control nuts to be much more deranged than Mr. Beck.

193 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:03am

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

A lot of squabbles on that show.

I'd doff my cap in recognition of your quick pun, but I prefer to keep my capon.

194 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:08am

re: #178 JohnnyReb

But they were seriously cool cause the astronauts ate them. Well at least thats what the commercials told us right?

Tang, uck

195 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:10am

re: #190 MandyManners

No, in her own little, safe world

196 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:12am

re: #184 calcajun

and all Lotte Lenya is known for now is a poisoned shoe.

Ute Lemper - that was my gal, musically. Got me through the pointless drudgery of the Clinton years in style and with class.

197 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:28am

re: #178 JohnnyReb

But they were seriously cool cause the astronauts ate them. Well at least thats what the commercials told us right?

Those and Tang. The first in-orbit product placement. It was a great marketing idea while it lasted.

198 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #190 MandyManners

Doesn't she live in London now?

"Hollywood" is a state of mind. We'll send a Delta team to grab her.

199 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #169 Ford_Prefect

?

Is that really a font?

It is in Word.

200 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:37:14am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'd doff my cap in recognition of your quick pun, but I prefer to keep my capon.

Don't let the puns get you too plucked up.

201 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:37:36am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'd doff my cap in recognition of your quick pun, but I prefer to keep my capon.

Oh, you just love to crow.

202 rightside  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #199 calcajun

It is in Word.

lol, any font on your pc will show up in word. It's not a word-installed font AFAIK.

203 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:37:55am

re: #199 calcajun

It is in Word.

You must have a newer version than me. It is actually kind of comic, sans the humor.

204 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #188 Kosh's Shadow

Well, at least you tried. You're right, of course. In an unintentional irony, your mental health counselor friend may end up in need of counseling himself if government takes over all health care. As you say, he just doesn't know it yet.

205 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:38:42am

Superior moral values at work again....
Focus on the Family Employee Snared in Online Sex Sting

Authorities in Colorado say they have apprehended a Focus on the Family employee suspected of arranging to have sex with an underage girl he met online.

The suspect, Juan Alberto Ovalle, 42, began chatting online Thursday with someone who told him she was a girl younger than 15. The contact was actually an undercover female police officer.

Ovalle, a resident of Colorado Springs, works for a Spanish-speaking arm of Focus on the Family and narrates Scripture for CDs, according to the Denver Post.

206 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:38:45am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'd doff my cap in recognition of your quick pun, but I prefer to keep my capon.

You are so gullible. If I offered you my finger, you'd poulet.

207 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:38:50am
208 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:38:57am

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'd doff my cap in recognition of your quick pun, but I prefer to keep my capon.

i think capon means that... oh never mind.

209 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:39:06am

re: #191 haakondahl

"Watch Jim wrestle a shark with a laser on its head! Oh, be careful, Jim. Well, it sure looks like Jim has his hands full now."

Cool sharks with friggin laser beams on their heads!

210 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:39:21am

re: #194 brookly red

Tang, uck

When my bro and I were very young dad would make syrup out of tang and serve it on our pancakes. That reminds me of Ovaltine too. oh the memories.

211 x-wing  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:39:40am

OOOH. O.T.

Rush is really laying the wood to some guy named Charles.

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #209 JohnnyReb

Cool sharks with friggin laser beams on their heads!

We have sea bass. They are ill-tempered.

213 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #206 calcajun

You are so gullible. If I offered you my finger, you'd poulet.

Are you trying to geese the wheels of a new pun thread?

214 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:03am

Senate GOP Considers Filibuster of Obama Judicial Nominee Who Compared Pregnancy to Slavery
Republicans are considering a filibuster aimed at blocking the confirmation of Dawn Johnsen, who conservatives claim once compared "forced pregnancy" with slavery.

FOXNews.com

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

?

215 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #210 turn

When my bro and I were very young dad would make syrup out of tang and serve it on our pancakes. That reminds me of Ovaltine too. oh the memories.

Now, that is really gross. What did your mom think of that?

216 HippieforLife  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #161 Russkilitlover

Ahh, Bosco. I fondly remember their jingle:

"I hate Bosco, Bosco's not for me.

Mama puts it in my milk to try to poison me.

I fooled Mama, I put it in her tea.

Not I've got no Mama to try and poison me."

Memories!

217 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Superior moral values at work again....
Focus on the Family Employee Snared in Online Sex Sting

Guess he misunderstood the name of his organization.

218 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #210 turn

When my bro and I were very young dad would make syrup out of tang and serve it on our pancakes. That reminds me of Ovaltine too. oh the memories.

/creative child abuse

219 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:49am

re: #195 rightside

No, in her own little, safe world

Wiki says she lives in London.

Check out her reason for naming her kid "Apple": It sounded so sweet and it conjured such a lovely picture for me – you know, apples are so sweet and they're wholesome and it's biblical – and I just thought it sounded so lovely and … clean! And I just thought, "Perfect!"

Biblical?

220 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:40:57am

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

And her career on late-night TV advertising a discount mortgage broker: "Hello, I am Lotte Lenya, and I'm here to tell you that EZ Mortgage has a lot to lend ya!"

She could make a killing in the wholesale firewood business in heavily Hispanic areas.

Lenya = leña = firewood

Come down to 'Lotta Leña! We're practically giving this leña away, we must be insane!

221 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:03am

Obama: Yes We Can = Thank You Satan (backwards!)

Heh.

222 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:13am

re: #218 brookly red

/creative child abuse

Clever father, that one. Very clever. ONe product with multiple purposes.

It's a floor wax!
It's a dessert topping!

223 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:40am
224 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:46am

Seen from the outside, we cannot "help out" evolution. Everything that happens to our genome, including things that happen by our own intent and design, is part of evolution.

The strongest objection to eugenics, from the point of view of arguing around people who don't already agree that it's wrong, is that it's wrong because it won't work. Breeding for specific traits that are deemed desirable by the political consensus of the day is communism taken into the realm of production of human beings. Communism fails at producing needles and nougats; how can it have any prospects when applied to producing butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers? How can any little committee know, trait by trait, gene by gene, which traits are going to be useful and which genes are going to be worth their price? Everything has a price. Bigger muscles require more food. Stronger bones make one heavier. Speed makes one frail and narrow hips can hamper delivery.

At present, the committee of the whole, humanity, lets the marriage market take care of deciding who should bring forth the next generation. Putting that decision in the hands of the government all but guarantees not only oppression, but over time, the breeding of a new race, a parody of humanity, shorn of our idiosyncracies and rough edges---the stuff that makes us effective, versatile, ---and human.

Research into stem cells is going to continue because it has all sorts of medical uses. Breeding a race of supermen, or more likely superbly feckless johnny one-notes, is a project that has been within the formal power of the authorities for centuries. Somehow, nobody ever gets that project up and running. People will follow the State so far, and no further. Advances in stem cell science won't change that.

225 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:51am

re: #188 Kosh's Shadow

Kosh, was it you who asked about reading my book?

If so, my nic's blue.

226 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:52am

re: #215 Cygnus

Now, that is really gross. What did your mom think of that?

Well let's just say she didn't put it on hers. Actually it was, well tangy. We liked it.

227 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:41:59am

re: #219 MandyManners

Wiki says she lives in London.

Check out her reason for naming her kid "Apple": It sounded so sweet and it conjured such a lovely picture for me – you know, apples are so sweet and they're wholesome and it's biblical – and I just thought it sounded so lovely and … clean! And I just thought, "Perfect!"

Biblical?

Sure - Adam and Eve & the Garden.
/never mind that the type of fruit that the Serpent tempted them with is never named...

228 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:00am

re: #219 MandyManners

Wiki says she lives in London.

Check out her reason for naming her kid "Apple": It sounded so sweet and it conjured such a lovely picture for me – you know, apples are so sweet and they're wholesome and it's biblical – and I just thought it sounded so lovely and … clean! And I just thought, "Perfect!"

Biblical?

Wasn't her father or grand father some famous Rabbi?

229 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:01am

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We have sea bass. They are ill-tempered.

Then instead of bass, you need a clavier. They are well-tempered.
Now I need to get Bach to work.

230 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #203 Ford_Prefect

You must have a newer version than me. It is actually kind of comic, sans the humor.

What's new, pussycat? (yes--I scrolled down the list of fonts, dammit)

231 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:17am

Tonight on Glen Beck, Tang and Space Snacks seen as alternative to fetal stem cells in research to cure shampoo related cancers among Nazi Darwinists in opposition to Creationist lobby seeking Viagra stimulus to battle against Islamicist Trolls fronted by the Obama Administration. Oprah interviews Palin to get her reaction to the debate.

232 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:23am

re: #192 HippieforLife

Glenn Beck grew up in Mt Vernon WA just a few miles from my hometown of Sedro Woolley WA. His family owned a bakery and I remember it so I have kind of a soft spot for him.

But, he does tend to get carried away. At least he seems to have a sense of humor which is too often missing from left leaning commentators. Teaming up with Ron Paul is a big mistake.

The Koskidz are going ape and blaming him for causing the man who shot the Philly police officers to go nuts! The moral relativity on the left is staggering. Personally, I find the gun control nuts to be much more deranged than Mr. Beck.

The people who buy into 'Beck as a fearmonger' are falling into the same trap as those who want Video Games banned because it teaches our kids how to kill. We give zero credit to our fellow man in making their own decisions and we are all just zombies following what the T.V. tells us to do.

No. No. and...no.

/Don't touch my video games and nobody get's hurt...

233 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:35am

re: #208 brookly red

i think capon means that... oh never mind.

It's missing its bits and pieces.

234 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:52am

We still have people ranting away in the Glenn Beck parody video thread, by the way.

235 Steve Rogers  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:42:58am

Humans have been "helping out" evolution for thousands of years; from every single dog breed, to every crop of food we eat.

236 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:09am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Obama: Yes We Can = Thank You Satan (backwards!)



Heh.

It should be 'Thank you Soros'.

237 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:15am

re: #222 Guanxi88

Clever father, that one. Very clever. ONe product with multiple purposes.

It's a floor wax!
It's a dessert topping!

I remember when Tang was know as agent orange... but Junket pudding aka the pink plague was the worst of all.

238 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:30am

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

Then instead of bass, you need a clavier. They are well-tempered.
Now I need to get Bach to work.

Why do you have to harp on Baroque music?

239 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:41am

The Teleprompter of Dorian Gray

240 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #224 lostlakehiker

Seen from the outside, we cannot "help out" evolution. Everything that happens to our genome, including things that happen by our own intent and design, is part of evolution.

The strongest objection to eugenics, from the point of view of arguing around people who don't already agree that it's wrong, is that it's wrong because it won't work. Breeding for specific traits that are deemed desirable by the political consensus of the day is communism taken into the realm of production of human beings. Communism fails at producing needles and nougats; how can it have any prospects when applied to producing butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers? How can any little committee know, trait by trait, gene by gene, which traits are going to be useful and which genes are going to be worth their price? Everything has a price. Bigger muscles require more food. Stronger bones make one heavier. Speed makes one frail and narrow hips can hamper delivery.

At present, the committee of the whole, humanity, lets the marriage market take care of deciding who should bring forth the next generation. Putting that decision in the hands of the government all but guarantees not only oppression, but over time, the breeding of a new race, a parody of humanity, shorn of our idiosyncracies and rough edges---the stuff that makes us effective, versatile, ---and human.

Research into stem cells is going to continue because it has all sorts of medical uses. Breeding a race of supermen, or more likely superbly feckless johnny one-notes, is a project that has been within the formal power of the authorities for centuries. Somehow, nobody ever gets that project up and running. People will follow the State so far, and no further. Advances in stem cell science won't change that.

Yes, the Asgard tried to control their development, and they all died.
/Stargate reference, for those who don't watch the show.

241 Perry  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:46am

re: #231 DaddyG

You know, I'd watch that.

242 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #213 Ford_Prefect

Are you trying to geese the wheels of a new pun thread?

Can't you get down with such a new thread, homes? I think it would be avian thing indeed.

243 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:44:08am

re: #188 Kosh's Shadow

Last night, I was talking to a mental health counselor, and he is so fed up with the insurance companies telling him and the doctors what they can and cannot do, that he actually thinks the government will be better. I tried to convince him, but he said its so bad it can't get worse.
Boy, will he be surprised.

What will happen is that, as costs balloon out of control and the citizenry begins waving pitchforks around at the mention of further tax increases, politicians will do the next available thing - cut services. Mental health, in fact, is normally one of the first to go, because it isn't seen as "important" in the same way as, say, heart surgery or blood pressure treatment. Counselors will be among the first to find themselves left with no coverage at all, and will be able to survive only by charging clients their full rate.

On a positive note: exposing clients to the actual, full costs of their treatment will bring those costs down in a hot minute. So counselors can remain in business - but they'll wind up making a fraction of what they do now.

244 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:44:41am

I just received an email from Barnes&Noble pushing Obama's Essential Speeches book and DVD's.
*spit*
Essential speeches? What Nimrod is going to sit around the TV and watch this crap over again?

Just unsubscribed.

245 Cygnus  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:44:48am

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

Then instead of bass, you need a clavier. They are well-tempered.
Now I need to get Bach to work.

Arrrgh! Too many puns on this thread. I can't Handel it anymore.

246 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #234 Charles

We still have people ranting away in the Glenn Beck parody video thread, by the way.

matador + red cape = charging bull

247 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:44:51am

re: #227 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

/never mind that the type of fruit that the Serpent tempted them with is never named...

In the Brady Bunch version of Genesis, the Serpent is Alice, and she tempts them with pork chops, and apple sauce.

(Overly-obscure Brady Bunch reference)

248 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:45:29am
249 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:45:38am

re: #246 calcajun

matador + red cape = charging bull

Add your own rodeo clown

250 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #228 Nevergiveup

Wasn't her father or grand father some famous Rabbi?

According to wiki, Bruce Paltrow was a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal of Kraków through the Russian rabbinical family Paltrowitch, which produced 33 rabbis over several generations.

251 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #244 jorline

I just received an email from Barnes&Noble pushing Obama's Essential Speeches book and DVD's.
*spit*
Essential speeches? What Nimrod is going to sit around the TV and watch this crap over again?

Just unsubscribed.

Only the Queen of England gets those for free. Everybody else has gotta pay!

252 J.S.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #121 so.cal.swede

i have no idea what mr. beck is saying.

Yeah. It's like listening to some incoherent drunk rambling on about his "pet peeves". The listener is always required to "fill in the blanks." (Basically, I suspect that Beck is attempting to link the following -- Obama's funding of embryonic stem cell research with eugenics. Then, Beck puts in some more non sequiturs, dismissing science in general and evolution in particular...again, Beck himself would need to inform those who are actually interested in his rants, just how Beck gets from point A to point B...)

253 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #244 jorline

I just received an email from Barnes&Noble pushing Obama's Essential Speeches book and DVD's.
*spit*
Essential speeches? What Nimrod is going to sit around the TV and watch this crap over again?

Just unsubscribed.

Every child in America in any politics and gov't class from here on out...but they don't have the choice...

254 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #249 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Add your own rodeo clown

I vote Alex Jones! The guy's certainly got the manic intensity the role requires.

255 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:09am

re: #245 Cygnus

Arrrgh! Too many puns on this thread. I can't Handel it anymore.

There's a man who can' Holst his puns.

256 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:21am

Can I haz olive?

257 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #250 MandyManners

According to wiki, Bruce Paltrow was a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal of Kraków through the Russian rabbinical family Paltrowitch, which produced 33 rabbis over several generations.

Think how proud they must be.
///

258 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:46:53am

re: #244 jorline

Essential speeches? What Nimrod is going to sit around the TV and watch this crap over again?

Oh, come now, Obama has already given several of the most important speeches in American history! Like that one about the... um... hope, something... and yes we can... you know. And that other one, with the, er, looking forward to the future, instead of, um, backward to the past. They're seared, seared into my memory!

259 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Why do you have to harp on Baroque music?

Bach to the Classic puns are we? Fine then at least coda we compose ourselves a little?

260 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:47:41am

re: #245 Cygnus

Arrrgh! Too many puns on this thread. I can't Handel it anymore.

Okay, stale old joke:

A man goes into a tomb with a grave digger. They see a decrepit man sitting on a stool erasing something on a sheet of manuscript paper.

"Who's that?" the man asks.

"Beethoven" the gravedigger replies.

"What's he doing?"

"Decomposing."

261 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:47:48am

re: #218 brookly red

/creative child abuse

dang IE kicked me out to the os again. This computer sucks. Well at any rate we really loved it, no abuse at all. I can still remember dad serving tang pancakes to us in the morning out in our three level fort in the backyard. We turned that fort into everything from a rocket ship to a sub. It's really a wonder we didn't' burn the thing to the ground playing with fire.

262 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #255 calcajun

There's a man who can' Holst his puns.

Yes, but Mozart that good.

263 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #250 MandyManners

According to wiki, Bruce Paltrow was a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal of Kraków through the Russian rabbinical family Paltrowitch, which produced 33 rabbis over several generations.


Bred like Rabbi's did they?

264 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:48:54am

re: #250 MandyManners

According to wiki, Bruce Paltrow was a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal of Kraków through the Russian rabbinical family Paltrowitch, which produced 33 rabbis over several generations.

And a Tulane grad (nod to my alma mater). Well, this is what you get when you marry a shiksa.

265 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:49:07am

re: #250 MandyManners

According to wiki, Bruce Paltrow was a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal of Kraków through the Russian rabbinical family Paltrowitch, which produced 33 rabbis over several generations.

Just think of the superior genetic material, the consummate perfection and refinement of heart and mind, that typified this particular family, just to have them generate this air-head. Seems a waste, doesn't it.

266 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:49:19am

re: #225 Dianna

Kosh, was it you who asked about reading my book?

If so, my nic's blue.

Yes, and I've replied (by typing the displayed email address into my BlackBerry so it comes from my personal email instead of work)

267 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #262 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but Mozart that good.

Maybe we should stop before people get violin-t.

268 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #265 Guanxi88

Just think of the superior genetic material, the consummate perfection and refinement of heart and mind, that typified this particular family, just to have them generate this air-head. Seems a waste, doesn't it.

Take that, Darwin!

269 satan sidekick  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:09am

re: #35 itellu3times

This is very true. I received umbilical cord stem cells two years ago which seemed to help my condition (COPD) for almost 2 years where I hardly needed oxygen or inhalers. Then I got sick in Feb of this year(unrelated to COPD) and lost most of my improvements.

My next venture is receiving autologous stem cell treatment where I will receive my own stem cells to try and regenerate some of my lung tissue.

Anyone who is interested in reading more about stem cells should visit [Link: www.stemcellpioneers.com...]

As far as I have read, embryonic stem cells haven't cured anything and have prduced teratomas (super sized cancer cells).

270 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #231 DaddyG

Tonight on Glen Beck, Tang and Space Snacks seen as alternative to fetal stem cells in research to cure shampoo related cancers among Nazi Darwinists in opposition to Creationist lobby seeking Viagra stimulus to battle against Islamicist Trolls fronted by the Obama Administration. Oprah interviews Palin to get her reaction to the debate.

Will any of this cure Glenn's hemorrhoids?

271 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:43am

re: #265 Guanxi88

Just think of the superior genetic material, the consummate perfection and refinement of heart and mind, that typified this particular family, just to have them generate this air-head. Seems a waste, doesn't it.

Inbreeding will do that?

272 kansas  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:51am

re: #105 Charles

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discussing the coming New World Order:

For God's sake man, have you no sense of decency? Do you just like to torture us? Well, I refuse to watch.

273 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #234 Charles

We still have people ranting away in the Glenn Beck parody video thread, by the way.

I get the sense that LGF is the antfarm segment part:

274 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:50:58am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Can I haz olive?



I once had a cat who was bat-shit crazy over green olives. He would hook one on a claw, roll onto his back and rub the olive all over his head. He'd get this strange, stoned look in his eyes, eat the olive and then lie on his back for ages.

275 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:00am
a descendant of Rabbi David HaLevi Segal

I wonder if he's an ancestor of Steven Segal!

276 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:01am

re: #262 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but Mozart that good.

Are we starting a Liszt of composer puns?

277 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:01am

re: #259 DaddyG

Bach to the Classic puns are we? Fine then at least coda we compose ourselves a little?

We're not fighting Al-Coda any more, are we ?

278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:15am

re: #267 Ford_Prefect

Maybe we should stop before people get violin-t.

Agreed. Let's bow out.

279 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:15am

I just got an e-mail from iTunes offering me the chance to Pre Order Yusef Islam's new album

Only he's now called Yusef-the artist known as Cat Stevens
.


^^&%^$#&(@�@(@#*@)@) !

280 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #261 turn

glad you had a good time, but I still think tang was vile...

281 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #175 Occasional Reader

Are you my sister?!

My brother is a raving moonbat, so I'm thinking it's probably not you.
I'd consider a trade, however!

282 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Inbreeding will do that?

When's the last time you saw a group shot of all of the Royal family?

283 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:05am

re: #225 Dianna

Kosh, was it you who asked about reading my book?

If so, my nic's blue.

That safe mail thing still ain't working for turn. Hey Dianna can I take a look? Maybe you still have my business card with my email on it.

284 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #274 MandyManners

I once had a cat who was bat-shit crazy over green olives. He would hook one on a claw, roll onto his back and rub the olive all over his head. He'd get this strange, stoned look in his eyes, eat the olive and then lie on his back for ages.

We had a cat who had the same reaction (although expressed differently). Give him bits of olive on a paper napkin, and he'd devour the olive, tear apart the napkin to get a little more olive juice, then roll around on the floor, stoned, for several minutes.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:19am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

NPR was ejaculating all over itself with joy this morning because Obama's poll numbers are supposedly in the positive mid-sixties, while the Republicans' poll numbers are supposedly in the mere mid-thirties.

They also mentioned some Turk who supposedly sacrificed 44 goats, or sheep, or wives, or something, in homage to Obama because "he is one of us."

Polygamy's illegal in Turkey, has been for generations, although out in the hinterlands, I hear it still holds on here and there.

286 satan sidekick  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:26am

re: #247 Occasional Reader
Obscure perhaps, but I remember it too! LOL

287 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #274 MandyManners

I once had a cat who was bat-shit crazy over green olives. He would hook one on a claw, roll onto his back and rub the olive all over his head. He'd get this strange, stoned look in his eyes, eat the olive and then lie on his back for ages.

That's really odd. My wife gave me a coffee mug years ago that had a cat playing with a jar of green olives on it. The inside read "Olive you."

Is there really something about green olives that drives cats crazy?

288 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:53am

re: #278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Agreed. Let's bow out.

Yeah, before the French horn in.

289 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #276 calcajun

Are we starting a Liszt of composer puns?

Let's hope the pun thread doesn't un-Ravel.

290 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:09am

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Inbreeding will do that?

No, not inbreeding - but selection for characteristics deemed desirable culturally or otherwise.

291 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:19am

re: #266 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, and I've replied (by typing the displayed email address into my BlackBerry so it comes from my personal email instead of work)

On the way, then. In pdf. format.

First draft, because I'm bent on everyone having read that before I start sending out the changes.

292 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #244 jorline

I just received an email from Barnes&Noble pushing Obama's Essential Speeches book and DVD's.
*spit*
Essential speeches? What Nimrod is going to sit around the TV and watch this crap over again?

Just unsubscribed.

I think they're mostly intended to be bought in bulk by the re-education camps.

293 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #289 Kosh's Shadow

Let's hope the pun thread doesn't un-Ravel.

Rimsky shot

294 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:29am

re: #225 Dianna

Kosh, was it you who asked about reading my book?

If so, my nic's blue.


i'd like to read your book..Can I email you?

295 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:56am
296 Perry  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:53:58am

No more for me. Going Chopin.

297 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #289 Kosh's Shadow

Let's hope the pun thread doesn't un-Ravel.

For a pugilistic punster, you seem to have a Glass jaw.

298 kansas  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:54:33am

re: #296 Perry

No more for me. Going Chopin.

I'll be Bach.

299 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:54:34am

re: #296 Perry

No more for me. Going Chopin.

for some broccoli, by chance ?

300 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

We had a cat who had the same reaction (although expressed differently). Give him bits of olive on a paper napkin, and he'd devour the olive, tear apart the napkin to get a little more olive juice, then roll around on the floor, stoned, for several minutes.

I'm trying that on my Mom's psycho cat as soon as I get home.

301 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #288 Ford_Prefect

Yeah, before the French horn in.

I'm getting bad vibes about this. I should leave before someone makes a bass comment

302 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:16am

By the way- am I the only one who found it a new low for the MSM that one of the first things we learned about that Pittsburgh shooter was that he voted for John McCain?

How come the voting background and political affiliations of Jiverly Wong (Binghampton shooter) or Lovelle Mixon (Oakland cop-killer) weren't made known?

303 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:16am

re: #283 turn

I have your email, turn.

Are you sure you want to see this?

304 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #289 Kosh's Shadow

Let's hope the pun thread doesn't un-Ravel.

Who was the comedian who, when asked what he thought of Rimsky-Korsakov replied:

"Both great."

305 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:27am

re: #288 Ford_Prefect

Yeah, before the French horn in.

You heard about the French Horn player who kept getting slapped on dates?

Every time he tried to kiss a girl he'd put his hand up her skirt.

306 albusteve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:29am

re: #301 calcajun

I'm getting bad vibes about this. I should leave before someone makes a bass comment

I like sax

307 Perry  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:29am

re: #298 kansas

I'll be Bach.

Always have to come back in at least once. I usually forget my Listz.

308 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:55:59am

Whoa 295 didn't even see the light of day! Charles is quick today.

309 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #294 HoosierHoops

i'd like to read your book..Can I email you?

Feel free!

BTW, please be aware that the subject matter's a bit on the unpleasant side.

310 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #305 DaddyG

works for me...

311 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #224 lostlakehiker

Well, that's a little circular--better expressed by Love & Rockets, decades ago:

"You cannot go against nature
No matter what you do
Because to go against nature,
Well that's a part of nature, too.

Our little lives get complicated
It's a simple thing
Simple as a flower
And that's a complicated thing"

312 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:23am

re: #304 subsailor68

Who was the comedian who, when asked what he thought of Rimsky-Korsakov replied:

"Both great."

Probably this guy. Love him.

313 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

We had a cat who had the same reaction (although expressed differently). Give him bits of olive on a paper napkin, and he'd devour the olive, tear apart the napkin to get a little more olive juice, then roll around on the floor, stoned, for several minutes.

re: #287 subsailor68

That's really odd. My wife gave me a coffee mug years ago that had a cat playing with a jar of green olives on it. The inside read "Olive you."

Is there really something about green olives that drives cats crazy?

There must be something about olives and cats.

314 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #297 Occasional Reader

For a pugilistic punster, you seem to have a Glass jaw.

You know what they about puns, as far as being funny, they're mostly Hindemith.

315 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #300 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm trying that on my Mom's psycho cat as soon as I get home.

The cat's already psycho?

Well, if you do the olive thing, don't be surprised if the cat winds up standing at the top of the stairs, blasting away at you with an M-16/M203, screaming about his "leetle friend".

316 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #306 albusteve

I like sax

That;s not what I heard--you like to look through the reeds.

317 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:31am

re: #313 MandyManners

There must be something about olives and cats.

I don't think it's all cats; in my family's case, it was just that one. Others were indifferent to olives.

318 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:37am

re: #303 Dianna

I have your email, turn.

Are you sure you want to see this?

Yeah, but don't expect a literary critique from turn ...

319 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:57:38am

re: #258 Occasional Reader

Well, if the media is correct (and they are always correct), then Obama has already delivered the equivalent of the following important policy speeches and addresses in one fell swoop: The Emancipation Proclamation, Washington's Farewell Address, The Monroe Doctrine; FDR's Speech to Congress on 12/8/41; JFK's Inaugural; and Reagan's Inaugural, among others.

320 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #315 Occasional Reader

The cat's already psycho?

Well, if you do the olive thing, don't be surprised if the cat winds up standing at the top of the stairs, blasting away at you with an M-16/M203, screaming about his "leetle friend".

Oh, yeah.

321 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #306 albusteve

I like sax

Yeah, ya can't Beethoven.

322 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:15am

I used to like Glenn Beck, but I see now that he needs to step away and get a clearer perspective, which I hope he does soon.

When our maps do not fit the territory, when we act as if our inferences are factual knowledge, we prepare ourselves for a world that isn’t there. If this happens often enough, the inevitable result is frustration and an ever-increasing tendency to warp the territory to fit our maps. We see what we want to see, and the more we see it, the more likely we are to reinforce this distorted perception, in the familiar circular and spiral feedback pattern. (p. 29, Levels of Knowing and Existence: Studies in General Semantics, Harry L. Weinberg)

323 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:28am

re: #319 lawhawk

Well, if the media is correct (and they are always correct), then Obama has already delivered the equivalent of the following important policy speeches and addresses in one fell swoop: The Emancipation Proclamation, Washington's Farewell Address, The Monroe Doctrine; FDR's Speech to Congress on 12/8/41; JFK's Inaugural; and Reagan's Inaugural, among others.

What about the Sermon on the Mount? Or will that be the 100 days speech?

324 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:34am

Yet another meltdown, I presume.
Oh well, I hope Stinky didn't injure his stick on that one (#295).

325 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:35am

re: #317 Occasional Reader

I don't think it's all cats; in my family's case, it was just that one. Others were indifferent to olives.

And vice-versa.

326 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #314 calcajun

You know what they about puns, as far as being funny, they're mostly Hindemith.

That was Offenbach.

327 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #316 calcajun

That;s not what I heard--you like to look through the reeds.

Boy that took a real brass pair.

328 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:16am

re: #323 Guanxi88

Not even Jesus rode with unicorns. /

329 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #325 haakondahl

And vice-versa.

How would we know? [heavy, man]

330 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #327 Ford_Prefect

Boy that took a real brass pair.

Handel them with care

331 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:42am

re: #327 Ford_Prefect

Boy that took a real brass pair.

You're just trumpeting your accomlishments

332 kansas  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:46am

OT
Stock market tanking. Is Obama back in the country?

333 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 11:59:47am

re: #313 MandyManners

There must be something about olives and cats.

try the olives stuffed w/anchoives... make sure they got fresh water too.

334 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:00:06pm

re: #328 lawhawk

Not even Jesus rode with unicorns. /

There's just too many gaps in the fossil record to know one way or the other.
/

335 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:00:06pm

re: #332 kansas

OT
Stock market tanking. Is Obama back in the country?

oh no, must go see ..

336 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:00:09pm

re: #327 Ford_Prefect

Boy that took a real brass pair.


Don't string him along.

337 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:00:13pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

Oh, come now, Obama has already given several of the most important speeches in American history! Like that one about the... um... hope, something... and yes we can... you know. And that other one, with the, er, looking forward to the future, instead of, um, backward to the past. They're seared, seared into my memory!

Circle jerk material at some households.
/

338 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

You're just trumpeting your accomlishments

You are just trying to coronet the market on puns.

339 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:01:09pm

re: #326 DaddyG

That was Offenbach.

Eww. You should go into Haydn after that one.

340 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:01:15pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

Oh, come now, Obama has already given several of the most important speeches in American history! Like that one about the... um... hope, something... and yes we can... you know. And that other one, with the, er, looking forward to the future, instead of, um, backward to the past.

And always twirling, twirling towards freedom!

341 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:01:16pm

#37 DaddyG

NPR - heh. I really like the two Jazz stations here in Atlanta (not the easy listening one, please don't confuse the two genres) but its a dangerous game. Sometimes I park the car with Miles or Traine and then start it the next morning to hear old hippies fawning over the coming Democratic utopia or someone hawking a recipe for Schwetty Balls.

That happens to me all the time. Local "community Radio" (Pacifica thing) has really good blues programming on in the afternoon. It ends at 6 PM, followed immediatly by left wing news. So if I make a stop on the way home from work, I leave my car listening to music. When I get back in, I hear about how right wing the "corporate media" is and how we need to be more socialist.

342 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:01:24pm

Later all.

343 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:01:45pm

re: #338 Ford_Prefect

You are just trying to coronet the market on puns.

He is too Flugel to waste one.

344 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #336 DaddyG

Don't string him along.

There will be Consequences and rePercussions

345 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #302 Fenway_Nation

By the way- am I the only one who found it a new low for the MSM that one of the first things we learned about that Pittsburgh shooter was that he voted for John McCain?

How come the voting background and political affiliations of Jiverly Wong (Binghampton shooter) or Lovelle Mixon (Oakland cop-killer) weren't made known?

Because Mixon couldn't vote? I don't know.
//

346 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:31pm

re: #343 DaddyG

He is too Flugel to waste one.

You just had to piccolo road.

347 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #343 DaddyG

He is too Flugel to waste one.

We ought to scale back before someone harps on us.

348 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:02:46pm

Gotta get back to work. See y'all later

349 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #318 turn

Yeah, but don't expect a literary critique from turn ...

Like/don't like, enjoyed, ewwww!

All are valid comments.

350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:11pm

re: #274 MandyManners

How odd. I wonder why they like olives? They so have a lot of salt in them, probably not good for the cats but they are delicious.

351 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:16pm

re: #332 kansas

OT
Stock market tanking. Is Obama back in the country?


.........................................................

Investors sent stocks lower Tuesday, extending a pause in a big four-week rally as the market girds itself for potentially grim earnings reports.

The Dow Jones industrial average dropped about 200 points while the broader indexes fell more than 2.4%.

The selling blanketed a broad swath of sectors, from financials to energy, amid a fairly quiet day of trading during a holiday-shortened week. The markets are closed Friday in observance of Good Friday.

Analysts attributed the pullback to profit-taking after a huge advance in March that gave the Dow Jones industrials their best four-week performance in more than 75 years.

Investors are keenly focused on bank earnings that get under way next week, and several pessimistic forecasts about potential loan losses have jolted the market in recent days.

Source: [Link: www.crainsnewyork.com...]

352 albusteve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:17pm

re: #347 calcajun

We ought to scale back before someone harps on us.

we're just fiddling around

353 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #328 lawhawk

Not even Jesus rode with unicorns. /

Because unicorns couldn't walk on water, they sunk?

354 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:28pm

re: #344 SasquatchOnSteroids

There will be Consequences and rePercussions

You're fretting too much.

355 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #346 haakondahl

You just had to piccolo road.


If you don't like the composition of my posts then feel free to tune me out.

356 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #332 kansas

OT
Stock market tanking. Is Obama back in the country?

Earnings reports are coming in over the next few weeks.

357 KenJen  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:03:56pm

re: #302 Fenway_Nation

By the way- am I the only one who found it a new low for the MSM that one of the first things we learned about that Pittsburgh shooter was that he voted for John McCain?

How come the voting background and political affiliations of Jiverly Wong (Binghampton shooter) or Lovelle Mixon (Oakland cop-killer) weren't made known?

The first thing I heard was that he was afraid Obama was going to take his guns away.

358 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #354 calcajun

You're fretting too much.

Wow. Compared to you guys I am just a pun Mahler.

Now it is time for me to fade out.

Later Lizards!

359 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:04:19pm

re: #352 albusteve

we're just fiddling around

You're playing the pun game too safe--you have to stick your neck out more.

360 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

How odd. I wonder why they like olives? They so have a lot of salt in them, probably not good for the cats but they are delicious.

"Like" doesn't even begin to cover it (in the subset of cats we're talking about). It really does look like a narcotic effect; catnip, squared.

361 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:04:38pm

re: #347 calcajun

We ought to scale back before someone harps on us.

Not a big deal. That would B minor.

362 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #351 Catttt

Investors are keenly focused on bank earnings that get under way next week, and several pessimistic forecasts about potential loan losses have jolted the market in recent days.

I expect next week to suck.

363 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:05:04pm

Why Hamas couldn't shoot Stinger Missiles in Gaza
They tried.

Really. After Hamas successfully smuggled anti-aircraft Stinger missiles into Gaza, they were given the order by Hamas commanders to shoot down IAF Apache helicopters during the past IDF "Cast Lead" offensive.


[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

The US manufactured Stinger anti-aircraft rockets have built in sensors that prevent firing upon friendly aircraft...Apache helicopters included.

364 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #335 turn

oh no, must go see ..

bouncing around but will probably close -200 or thereabouts. Company stock in my 401k is holding rock solid at 3 (from a previous high of 20 before the crash).

365 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:05:28pm

re: #344 SasquatchOnSteroids

There will be Consequences and rePercussions

We're really in a fine Kettle of fish.

366 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:05:46pm

re: #361 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not a big deal. That would B minor.

Its not like they were banding together to orchestrate a new arrangement.

367 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #364 turn

bouncing around but will probably close -200 or thereabouts. Company stock in my 401k is holding rock solid at 3 (from a previous high of 20 before the crash).

Your company is still open? And by the way I walked 56 miles to school in the snow every day and twice on Sundays!

368 albusteve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #365 Occasional Reader

We're really in a fine Kettle of fish.

they were snared into it

369 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:06:40pm

re: #347 calcajun

We ought to scale back before someone harps on us.

Don't give 'em a bad rap.

370 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:06:55pm

re: #365 Occasional Reader

We're really in a fine Kettle of fish.

Yes, we've all been snared.

371 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:06:59pm

re: #361 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not a big deal. That would B minor.

Minor, perhaps. But it would B Natural.

(Why yes, I am evil.. thank you for noticing.)

372 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #366 DaddyG

Its not like they were banding together to orchestrate a new arrangement.

That would definitely make me fret.

373 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #363 Nevergiveup

Why Hamas couldn't shoot Stinger Missiles in Gaza
They tried.

Really. After Hamas successfully smuggled anti-aircraft Stinger missiles into Gaza, they were given the order by Hamas commanders to shoot down IAF Apache helicopters during the past IDF "Cast Lead" offensive.


[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

The US manufactured Stinger anti-aircraft rockets have built in sensors that prevent firing upon friendly aircraft...Apache helicopters included.

/too bad they didn't just go boom in the tube...

374 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #368 albusteve

they were snared into it

Rim Shot

375 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:49pm

From the "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes" file.....

Franken widens lead in Minnesota Senate recount

The Democrat has 312 votes over GOP incumbent Norm Coleman as judges look at the last absentee ballots. Coleman plans to take the issue to the state Supreme Court if today's count goes against him.
376 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:53pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

Minor, perhaps. But it would B Natural.

(Why yes, I am evil.. thank you for noticing.)

Always the turn around to the boob threads.

/but they're perky

377 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:07:55pm

George Soros and the right wing blogs seem to all agree that the banks are insolvent and can't be saved. Let's hope they are wrong.

378 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:08:01pm

re: #361 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not a big deal. That would B minor.


I prefer to dress well and B sharp.

379 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #370 calcajun

Yes, we've all been snared.

Beating this like a drum 'eh? Or do you like marching to the beat in a fugue?

380 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:08:36pm

re: #368 albusteve

they were snared into it

It's like a Triangle of death! Well, speaking cymbalically, anyway.

381 albusteve  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:08:59pm

re: #379 lawhawk

Beating this like a drum 'eh? Or do you like marching to the beat in a fugue?

it's just cymbolic

382 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:09:09pm

Pentagon spends $100 million to fix cyber attacks

The Pentagon spent more than $100 million in the last six months responding to and repairing damage from cyber attacks and other computer network problems, military leaders said Tuesday.


Air Force Gen. Kevin Chilton, who heads U.S. Strategic Command, said the military is only beginning to track the costs, which are triggered by constant daily attacks against military networks ranging from the Pentagon to bases around the country.

Total waste of the taxpayers money...SoD Gates will see cuts are made here as well.
///////////////////////

383 quickjustice  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:09:23pm

Adolph Hitler, of course, was the foremost practitioner of "eugenics", packing "inferior" races, gypsies, effeminate homosexuals, and the physically and mentally defective off to the gas chambers.

384 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:09:23pm

re: #369 lawhawk

Don't give 'em a bad rap.

Aww, no says that about you, as Faure as you know.

385 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:09:54pm

re: #375 jcm

From the "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes" file.....

Franken widens lead in Minnesota Senate recount

It's looking like we are on our way to another Boob in the Senate.

386 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:05pm
387 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:14pm

re: #384 calcajun

Aww, no says that about you, as Faure as you know.

In fact your notes trill us.

388 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #383 quickjustice

effeminate homosexuals

You mean he left the butch ones alone?

389 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:50pm

re: #383 quickjustice

Adolph Hitler, of course, was the foremost practitioner of "eugenics", packing "inferior" races, gypsies, effeminate homosexuals, and the physically and mentally defective off to the gas chambers.

That was the worse orchestra pun I've ever seen.

390 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:10:56pm

re: #386 buzzsawmonkey

Good one.

391 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #378 HoosierHoops

Did someone say B-sharp?

392 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:21pm

re: #389 Occasional Reader

That was the worse orchestra pun I've ever seen.

Certainly struck a sour note with me.

393 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:22pm

re: #387 DaddyG

In fact your notes trill us.

Ah, we're really Waller-ing in it now.

394 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:48pm

Tacit, I can't stand these repeating retrograde puns. Fugue you all!

395 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:11:59pm

Cat Jones for Green Olives, Clearly Explained.

Both green olives (Olea europaea) and Pimentos (Capsicum annuum) contain isoprenoids that are structurally similar to the methylcyclopentane monoterpene nepetalactone, which is responsible for binding to receptors in you cat's vomeronasal organ and consequently the mind-altering effect your cat experiences.

396 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:14pm

Fidel Castro has met with American Lawmakers?

397 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #382 jorline

Pentagon spends $100 million to fix cyber attacks


Total waste of the taxpayers money...SoD Gates will see cuts are made here as well.
///////////////////////

Why doesn't the pentagon use a cert server to issue out Certs to only authorized computers.. Then Turn on Cisco 801.x port security.
That locks down the network..Even if you hack the password you still aren't entering into the network.

398 quickjustice  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:35pm

re: #388 calcajun

Yes. There were plenty of "butch" ones in the Nazi Party who despised the effeminate types. It was gay against gay in that respect.

399 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:43pm

re: #395 Russkilitlover

Cat Jones for Green Olives, Clearly Explained.

English- they get high

400 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #395 Russkilitlover

Cat Jones for Green Olives, Clearly Explained.

Oh. Guess I'd forgotten that.

;-)

401 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:12:50pm

re: #394 DaddyG

Tacit, I can't stand these repeating retrograde puns. Fugue you all!

Well, if you cantata the heat, get out of the kitchen.

402 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:13:25pm

re: #395 Russkilitlover

Huh, very interesting. I never knew that.

403 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:13:49pm

re: #397 HoosierHoops

Why doesn't the pentagon use a cert server to issue out Certs to only authorized computers.. Then Turn on Cisco 801.x port security.
That locks down the network..Even if you hack the password you still aren't entering into the network.

What about all of us who access DOD Networks on our personal computers?

404 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #401 calcajun

Well, if you cantata the heat, get out of the kitchen.

For that you get a Grosse Fugue!

405 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #396 Nevergiveup

Fidel Castro has met with American Lawmakers?

Image: carter-castro.jpg

406 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:28pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

What about all of us who access DOD Networks on our personal computers?

Is that a confession? /

407 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:30pm

I need to find some lunch. My tummy's all hollow.

408 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:34pm

I highly recommend rinsing the olives really well or even soaking them in fresh water for an hour or so to leech out the salt first.

409 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #395 Russkilitlover

Cat Jones for Green Olives, Clearly Explained.

That's fascinating. I'm going to try it on my cats this evening.

410 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:14:59pm

re: #406 DaddyG

Is that a confession? /

Just a fact.

411 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:06pm

re: #407 Dianna

I need to find some lunch. My tummy's all hollow.

I have that same trouble with my skull!

412 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:08pm

More respectable folks commenting on the bow:

Wesley Pruden:

He bowed deeply to the Saudi king in London, so deep that he risked banging his head on the floor, a real presidential first. Bowing is a revered custom in parts of the world where tugging at a forelock comes naturally, but someone in the protocol office should have told him that Americans bow only to G-d. A firm handshake, with both hands if absolutely necessary, is enough. Hugging and kissing is optional, best left to the ladies. John F. Kennedy famously warned Jackie on the eve of their first trip to Britain. No bowing, not even to that nice queen.

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Mona Charen:

There is one other troubling aspect to President Obama's diplomatic debut. Being eager to ingratiate oneself with Europeans is an understandable liberal impulse. The left wing of the Democratic Party reveres European welfare states. But President Obama also bowed low (literally) before the king of Saudi Arabia. That was more than courtesy; it was abasement.

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

413 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:18pm
414 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #409 doppelganglander

That's fascinating. I'm going to try it on my cats this evening.

What is it with cats and substance abuse?!

415 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:39pm

re: #398 quickjustice

Yes. There were plenty of "butch" ones in the Nazi Party who despised the effeminate types. It was gay against gay in that respect.

(picking up jaw off of keyboard) Two words--Ernst Rohm. About as butch as gay man can get and we know what happened to him. Do tell; what is the source of your information. As I understood it, "nancy boys" were all the same to the SS -- they all got the pink triangle.

416 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:15:50pm

I need a rest. I'm starting to quaver.

417 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:16:15pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

I tried looking at some MOS descriptions on the Army website, but Windows blocked it, saying it was unsafe. Curiously, the National Guard site wasn't blocked.....

418 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #404 DaddyG

For that you get a Grosse Fugue!

Well, when I get my teeth into a pun, I never allegro.

419 SummerSong  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:16:50pm

Earthquake SoCal ...small.....short

420 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #408 Killgore Trout

I highly recommend rinsing the olives really well or even soaking them in fresh water for an hour or so to leech out the salt first.

Seems like a lot of work when the goal is to get your cat stoned. He's sitting there jonesing like a rabbit on crack, and you're playing Martha Stewart?

:-)

421 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:12pm

re: #414 Dianna

What is it with cats and substance abuse?!

Everybody wants to be a cat. Cause a cats the only cat who knows where its at.

422 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #411 sattv4u2

I have that same trouble with my skull!

Don't fill it with the tuna salad today--it's turned.

423 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:31pm

re: #363 Nevergiveup

Why Hamas couldn't shoot Stinger Missiles in Gaza
They tried.

Really. After Hamas successfully smuggled anti-aircraft Stinger missiles into Gaza, they were given the order by Hamas commanders to shoot down IAF Apache helicopters during the past IDF "Cast Lead" offensive.

[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

The US manufactured Stinger anti-aircraft rockets have built in sensors that prevent firing upon friendly aircraft...Apache helicopters included.

Will Hamas be able to get their money back? No? Too bad. More UN and EU and US money wasted.
/

424 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #417 Fenway_Nation

I tried looking at some MOS descriptions on the Army website, but Windows blocked it, saying it was unsafe. Curiously, the National Guard site wasn't blocked.....

Almost all the DOD websites come up as invalid certificate and such.

425 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:47pm

And while we're on the subject of olives, how come when it comes to olives on a pizza, it's usually black olives and not green olives?

I'm not an olive fan, but I have friends and family who are, and whenever we get a pizza w/olives, they're always black.....

426 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:17:52pm

re: #421 DaddyG

Everybody wants to be a cat. Cause a cats the only cat who knows where its at.

I was accusing the felines of substance abuse, not confessing to it for myself!

427 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:18:24pm

re: #395 Russkilitlover

Cat Jones for Green Olives, Clearly Explained.

There is no pain, you are meowing
The distant squirrels play on the horizon
You are only coming through in purrs
You lick your coat, but still it's full of burrs

When I was a kitten, I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I batted it, but it was gone
I cannot put my paws on it now
the cat is grown
the mouse is gone

Iiiiiiii
have become
comfortably 'lived

428 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:18:41pm

re: #413 Iron Fist

There's one thing that we know with perfect certainty now with the benefit of hindsight. Well, three things, really. Nixon should have sued the living shit out of JFK. Ruth Bader Ginsberg should have never been allowed to rise to the Supreme Court, and no Republican Presidential Candidate should ever accept the fund-raising straight-jacket that comes with accepting public money to run for President.

We know beyond all doubt that these three things are true.

And that National Security depends on only legal voters voting, and legal ballots get counted.

That Congress should not allow the WH to take the census.

429 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:18:46pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

And while we're on the subject of olives, how come when it comes to olives on a pizza, it's usually black olives and not green olives?

I'm not an olive fan, but I have friends and family who are, and whenever we get a pizza w/olives, they're always black.....

Racists!

430 A.W.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:18:55pm

I think the more basic objection to this program is sound. if you are going to take someone's tax dollars and then put it to something that a person can rationally consider actually evil, you better have a damn good reason for it.

So we fund abortions in Africa. um, why? Seriously, why? How is the birth rate in Africa any of my concern as an American and indeed so much so that people who consider abortion to be a sin should be more or less forced to contribute to that sin. I find it amazing that the left finds this a self-evidently worthwhile venture (in a recession, no less), but thinks that promoting democracy in a part of the world is not worth while in and of itself, not even when such democracy might actually make us safer.

As a public policy, as a rule of thumb, we should not make a person feel like they have to choose between obeying american law and following their conscience. Now, obviously, you can't do that in every case, but in as many cases as possible, you should respect this kind of serious, rational moral objection.

431 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:19:12pm

re: #414 Dianna

What is it with cats and substance abuse?!

If you don't talk to them about cat nip, who will?

432 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:19:33pm

re: #414 Dianna

What is it with cats and substance abuse?!

I'm not sure. I know mine love the catnip bubbles. Maybe they're more like humans than we think.

433 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:19:43pm
434 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #431 calcajun

If you don't talk to them about cat nip, who will?

"Just Say Meow to Drugs"

435 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:20:15pm

re: #423 Kosh's Shadow

That's not wasted money.... that's money well spent. After all, it meant more dead terrorists.

Too bad Hamas may now try to figure out how to defuse the anti-US engagement sensors/software.

436 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #388 calcajun

You mean he left the butch ones alone?

SS, weren't they?

437 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:20:29pm
438 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:20:57pm

re: #432 doppelganglander

I'm not sure. I know mine love the catnip bubbles. Maybe they're more like humans than we think.

Her Highness, now deceased, loved her 'nip. And wine. And beer. And port. And brandy. And champagne. And coffee...you get the idea. I literally could not leave a glass unattended.

439 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:05pm

Dear Public:
Josef Mengele was an extremely evil scientist, who performed ghoulish experiments on Jewish and other concentration camp prisoners at Auschwitz.
Therefore science is evil and should be banned.
Sincerely,
Glenn

440 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

George Soros and the right wing blogs seem to all agree that the banks are insolvent and can't be saved. Let's hope they are wrong.

Soros wants the economy to fail so he can take over.
Fucking kapo.

441 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:23pm

re: #421 DaddyG

Everybody wants to be a cat. Cause a cats the only cat who knows where its at.

I wanna be a lion
Yeah, everybody wants to pass as cats
We all wanna be big big stars but
We've got different reasons for that

442 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:25pm

Cat Nip addiction can be a purrrrnicious problem.

443 jorline  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:32pm

re: #397 HoosierHoops

Why doesn't the pentagon use a cert server to issue out Certs to only authorized computers.. Then Turn on Cisco 801.x port security.
That locks down the network..Even if you hack the password you still aren't entering into the network.

That's above my pay grade Hoopster...lol

444 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:33pm

How Democrats Make Millionaires
According to tax proposals, lots of us are 'rich.'

Has your 401(k) lost half its value? Have you kissed goodbye to the bonus you were hoping to use to pay junior's college tuition? Do you lie awake at night, worrying there's a pink slip with your name on it?

Cheer up. Even in these hard economic times, Democrats across the nation are working on plans that will turn some of you into instant millionaires.

There's only one catch. You're not actually going to be bringing in a million-dollar income. But the tax man is going to treat you just as though you did.

That's the message coming out of Albany, N.Y., where a newly ascendant Democratic majority led by Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver forced a deal with the Democratic governor to impose a new "millionaires' tax." The beauty is that to pay this tax, you won't have to make anywhere near a million dollars. If you make even $300,000 a year, the cash-strapped Empire State will consider you a millionaire.

E.J. McMahon of the Albany-based Empire Center for New York State Policy explains the politics. "You get people picturing some greedy Wall Street fat cat whose pockets are stuffed with TARP money, but you end up hitting the guy who owns the local hardware store whose income is also his working capital. By the time everyone realizes what just happened, it's too late to make adjustments without creating an even bigger budget hole -- which, of course, can always be solved with a bigger tax."...


Of course if you are a Democrat, you may consider yourself exempt.

445 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:49pm

re: #441 doppelganglander

I wanna be a lion
Yeah, everybody wants to pass as cats
We all wanna be big big stars but
We've got different reasons for that

Ooooh! Adam Duritz!

446 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #441 doppelganglander

I wanna be a lion
Yeah, everybody wants to pass as cats
We all wanna be big big stars but
We've got different reasons for that

I loves me some Counting Crows.

447 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:21:55pm

re: #427 Occasional Reader

There is no pain, you are meowing
The distant squirrels play on the horizon
You are only coming through in purrs
You lick your coat, but still it's full of burrs

When I was a kitten, I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I batted it, but it was gone
I cannot put my paws on it now
the cat is grown
the mouse is gone

Iiiiiiii
have become
comfortably 'lived

That was so funny, I almost pooped on the side of my box!

448 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:08pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

And while we're on the subject of olives, how come when it comes to olives on a pizza, it's usually black olives and not green olives?

I'm not an olive fan, but I have friends and family who are, and whenever we get a pizza w/olives, they're always black.....

Affirmative action applies to olives now?///

I know what you mean. My wife (2nd generation Sicilian) like the black olives and not the green ones--when in truth they're all green at one time. Besides, a mufaletta is not the same with only black olives.

449 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #438 Dianna

Her Highness, now deceased, loved her 'nip. And wine. And beer. And port. And brandy. And champagne. And coffee...you get the idea. I literally could not leave a glass unattended.

That's pretty bad. Mine always get into my water glass, but other beverages are merely sniffed and disregarded.

450 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:42pm

Olive haze, all in my eyes
I can see, if it's day or night
You got me meowin', but I just don't care
'Scuse me, while I barf up some hair

451 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:49pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

What about all of us who access DOD Networks on our personal computers?


As long as the DOD authorizes a Cert for your laptop. It will still work.
Every few seconds the network will check and verify your cert and your PVK file (private encryption key) You can access the Network.. The second it doesn't detect an authorized access cert Cisco shuts down the switch port you are on.. That includes WiFi Access.

452 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:22:54pm

re: #415 calcajun

(picking up jaw off of keyboard) Two words--Ernst Rohm. About as butch as gay man can get and we know what happened to him. Do tell; what is the source of your information. As I understood it, "nancy boys" were all the same to the SS -- they all got the pink triangle.

All kidding aside (and how can one kid about such a thing?) they did purge homosexuals with a particular ferocity from their ranks.

453 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:06pm

Dianna- I responded to something you said on the Palin thread.

454 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #445 Dianna

Ooooh! Adam Duritz!

re: #446 OldLineTexan

I loves me some Counting Crows.


Within one second of each other! One of my favorite bands, too.

455 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:40pm

re: #453 Sharmuta

Dianna- I responded to something you said on the Palin thread.

Oh? OK, I'll go hunt it up.

456 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:42pm

Argh! More gushing over Hussein Dolt on the MSM...specifically CNN's skewered, rigged 'poll' to show that the Messiah has redeemed America's image abroad.

So let me get this straight- I'm supposed to feel an unparalleled sense of pride when our Used Car Salesman In Chief gives the Queen of England an iPod loaded with his speeches and a twinge of shame and remorse when I see footage of that M88 pulling down the statue of Saddam?

457 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:23:51pm

NY Times headline:

Israeli Police Kill Palestinian Motorist in East Jerusalem

I know, you're thinking he double parked.

Israeli police officers shot and killed a Palestinian motorist who ran into officers at a roadblock in an East Jerusalem neighborhood.....

These NY Times headlines that always imply Israel did something wrong takes real talent.

458 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #419 SummerSong

Earthquake SoCal ...small.....short

== PRELIMINARY EVENT REPORT ==

U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, California
U.C. Berkeley Seismological Laboratory, Berkeley, California

Version #1: This report supersedes any earlier reports of this event. This is a computer-generated message. This event has not yet been reviewed by a seismologist.

An event occurred at 12:03:57 PM (PDT) on Tuesday, April 7, 2009.
The magnitude 2.1 event (a probable quarry explosion) occurred 2 km (1 miles) SSE of Quarry near Logan (Watsonville), CA .
The hypocentral depth is 1 km (0.4 miles).

459 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:24:10pm

re: #453 Sharmuta

Dianna- I responded to something you said on the Palin thread.

SHAR!

460 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:24:14pm

re: #451 HoosierHoops

As long as the DOD authorizes a Cert for your laptop. It will still work.
Every few seconds the network will check and verify your cert and your PVK file (private encryption key) You can access the Network.. The second it doesn't detect an authorized access cert Cisco shuts down the switch port you are on.. That includes WiFi Access.

Is it easy to install a Cert on your computer? How would the DOD issue them?

461 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #454 doppelganglander

My new favorite mellow/depression music is Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. But I guess I am late to that party.

462 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:24:30pm

re: #442 DaddyG

Cat Nip addiction can be a purrrrnicious problem.


Will there be a Catnip legalization thread?

463 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:25:02pm

re: #460 Nevergiveup

Is it easy to install a Cert on your computer? How would the DOD issue them?

Is the Cert on your ID card that a Cat card reader reads?

464 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:25:09pm

re: #460 Nevergiveup

Is it easy to install a Cert on your computer? How would the DOD issue them?

Great, now some fool is gonna shove a breath mint in the CD tray, or maybe a USB port.

/

465 Shanimal1918  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:25:23pm

You can get the whole interview on Becks website here

Glenn Beck: March to Socialism - science vs. ideology

Here is additional info/follow up for the Tuesday Morning Open quote:

PROFESSOR GEORGE: When progressive, as they were then called, doctors and lawyers and others, decided that there were some lives unworthy of life. And two scholars, a guy named Bending and a guy named Hoka (ph) who were not Nazis who were opposed to the Nazi federy and so forth, they saw them as really sort of lower class thugs. But these two guys, a law professor and a medical professor, wrote a book called Lebens unwürdig von Leben, life unworthy of life which was a roadmap for taking the life destroying the lives of retarded people, people regarded as inferior because of their low intelligence or physical impairment or so forth. That was the roadmap. It was before the Nazis. You are 100% right.

466 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:25:43pm

re: #461 OldLineTexan

My new favorite mellow/depression music is Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. But I guess I am late to that party.

I've been following Ryan around since Whiskeytown days. Even if their live show was one of the worst it's ever been my misfortune to attend.

467 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:25:43pm

re: #458 jcm

== PRELIMINARY EVENT REPORT ==

U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, California
U.C. Berkeley Seismological Laboratory, Berkeley, California

Version #1: This report supersedes any earlier reports of this event. This is a computer-generated message. This event has not yet been reviewed by a seismologist.

An event occurred at 12:03:57 PM (PDT) on Tuesday, April 7, 2009.
The magnitude 2.1 event (a probable quarry explosion) occurred 2 km (1 miles) SSE of Quarry near Logan (Watsonville), CA .
The hypocentral depth is 1 km (0.4 miles).

More recent events might not be posted yet.

468 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #462 Fenway_Nation

Will there be a Catnip legalization thread?

can it be taxed?

469 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:26:29pm

re: #461 OldLineTexan

My new favorite mellow/depression music is Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. But I guess I am late to that party.

I've enjoyed Ryan Adams' solo work, plus Whiskeytown. I'm not familiar with the Cardinals. My newest favorite (and like you, I'm always late to the party) is Augustana. They're not all that depressing, but they have their moments.

470 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

And while we're on the subject of olives, how come when it comes to olives on a pizza, it's usually black olives and not green olives?

I'm not an olive fan, but I have friends and family who are, and whenever we get a pizza w/olives, they're always black.....

Big pizza must pay!

471 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #466 Dianna

I've been following Ryan around since Whiskeytown days. Even if their live show was one of the worst it's ever been my misfortune to attend.

I only have the "Cold Roses" album, and I must say it's good. But everytime I go look for a video on a LNDT, all I get are cell-phone videos that SUCK. Does he have something against success, one of those "artist" complexes?

472 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:07pm

re: #468 brookly red

can it be taxed?

Is the Pope Catholic?

473 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:13pm

The mythbusters must be filming something energetic!

474 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:14pm

re: #467 jcm

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

475 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:24pm

re: #465 Shanimal1918

Nice avatar....I'm torn as to when I should switch back to my crimson 'B' on Blue background avatar with it being opening day and all.

476 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:26pm

re: #468 brookly red

can it be taxed?

40 purrcent under the Obama plan,

477 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:27:51pm

re: #466 Dianna

I've been following Ryan around since Whiskeytown days. Even if their live show was one of the worst it's ever been my misfortune to attend.

That's a shame. Have you seen Counting Crows live? They're phenomenal. I saw them twice on the tour with the Wallflowers, back in the "One Headlight" period, and Adam and Jacob sang "6th Avenue Heartache" together. Pure magic.

478 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #471 OldLineTexan

I only have the "Cold Roses" album, and I must say it's good. But everytime I go look for a video on a LNDT, all I get are cell-phone videos that SUCK. Does he have something against success, one of those "artist" complexes?

He writes too fast, and people sort of wander past him, I think.

479 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #476 SasquatchOnSteroids

40 purrcent under the Obama plan,

Declaw the IRS!

480 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:12pm

re: #465 Shanimal1918

Lebens unwürdig von Leben, life unworthy of life

That was, indeed, a term used in Nazi medical "ethics". Robert Jay Lifton makes refernce to it in The Nazi Doctors.

481 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #473 Dianna

The mythbusters must be filming something energetic!

Or a lizard meetup we didn't know about...

482 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:57pm

Damnation....Depeche Mode is going back on tour?

483 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:59pm
484 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:28:59pm

re: #419 SummerSong

Earthquake SoCal ...small.....short

Didn't feel it here in San Diego. Looking up USGS now.

485 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:29:27pm

re: #477 doppelganglander

That's a shame. Have you seen Counting Crows live? They're phenomenal. I saw them twice on the tour with the Wallflowers, back in the "One Headlight" period, and Adam and Jacob sang "6th Avenue Heartache" together. Pure magic.

Oh, a number of times. I once paid a really frightening price for one ticket.

Counting Crows is probably my favorite band. Unfortunately, my Male isn't as crazy about them, so I haven't seen them since we started going out.

486 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #479 DaddyG

Declaw the IRS!

neuter...

487 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:29:51pm

re: #479 DaddyG

Declaw the IRS!

That was over the top. You've really got to do something about distemper of yours.

488 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:29:58pm

BIG GLENN IS RIPPING US OFF.

489 Shanimal1918  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:30:15pm

re: #475 Fenway_Nation

Nice avatar....I'm torn as to when I should switch back to my crimson 'B' on Blue background avatar with it being opening day and all.

Yeah it's almost time! T minus 36 minutes and counting...

490 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:30:30pm

re: #482 Fenway_Nation

Damnation....Depeche Mode is going back on tour?

Maybe that's a Sign of the Second Coming of Reagan?

(We can only hope)

491 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #463 Nevergiveup

Is the Cert on your ID card that a Cat card reader reads?

If a Cat Card Could Chuck Wood?

492 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:30:36pm

Really, I need lunch.

No one reply to me for a few minutes so I can get out of here!

493 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #487 Occasional Reader

That was over the top. You've really got to do something about distemper of yours.

You're rabid punster.

494 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #492 Dianna

Really, I need lunch.

No one reply to me for a few minutes so I can get out of here!

HI, DIANNA!

*rad*

495 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #462 Fenway_Nation

Will there be a Catnip legalization thread?

Last week, I took my change into the coin sorter at the Shoppers Food Warehouse. I had more than 50 bucks in change. What I didn't realize was that I'd spilled catnip into the coin box. It stopped up the machine at about 52 bucks. They were very nice about it - it was easy to clean - but it was funny.

496 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:31:25pm

So, President Obama's speech in Iraq today called on Iraqis to take on more responsibility. Funny thing about that.

Since the Surge started, Iraqis have been doing the heavy lifting, and doing more of it than ever. Nearly the entire country has been handed over to the Iraqis whereas just a few short months ago, the US military was still doing the hard work. Had Obama had his way based on his campaign rhetoric, we would have cut and run before the Iraqis could ever take on the heavy lifting or responsibility because he would have thrown the nation into chaos with a precipitous and deadly decision that would have given terrorists and insurgents free reign while curtailing the one power that could stop it - the US military.

On the flip side, the military did give him a warm welcome. I was mildly surprised by that, since Obama's policy positions aren't exactly pro-military.

497 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #479 DaddyG

Declaw the IRS!

I think many cats have joined the Feline Republicans Boycotting Accounting Laws (FRBAL)

498 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:32:01pm

re: #485 Dianna

saw them open for the stones (voodoo lounge) way back when... good show.

499 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:32:18pm

re: #487 Occasional Reader

That was over the top. You've really got to do something about distemper of yours.

Bitch //

500 SummerSong  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #458 jcm

Thank you. I'm reading 2.9 in Banning, CA.

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Made my windows shake, whatever it was.

501 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #487 Occasional Reader

That was over the top. You've really got to do something about distemper of yours.

A couple more like that and I'll have to flea.

502 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #483 Iron Fist

No, you are supposed to feel defeated because there weren't more people dancing in the streets all around the troops when they pulled it down. I remember seeing a kid run through the square with an American flag streaming behind him. That is the kind of picture Puilitzer's used to be made of. Nowdays, they are an embarrassment when Harry Reid wants to raise up al Qaeda in Iraq as victorious. Or Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda) wants to call our troops nazis.


Not even, Iron. Didn't a photo of some Iraqi election workers getting shot in the street execution-style by Micheal Moore's Heroic Minutemen insurgents win a Pullitzer? Even after some suspicions were raised about how the photographer 'just happened' to be there with his camera for the killing?

They turned a blind eye to Duranty's sugar-coating the mass starvation and extermination of the Ukrainians, so what's a couple of brown people to them?

503 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:06pm

re: #485 Dianna

Oh, a number of times. I once paid a really frightening price for one ticket.

Counting Crows is probably my favorite band. Unfortunately, my Male isn't as crazy about them, so I haven't seen them since we started going out.

For the most part, Mr. Doppel and I agree on which bands to see. I think the only act I love that he hates is U2, so I took my daughter to that one. The one I really resisted but got dragged to was Meat Loaf. He actually put on a really good show.

504 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:11pm

re: #452 Guanxi88

All kidding aside (and how can one kid about such a thing?) they did purge homosexuals with a particular ferocity from their ranks.

They purged everyone who did not fit their ideal, either political, social, or religious.

Let's keep in mind an important fact, Hitler was a man. He was a human being--not some demon, not evil incarnate. He was flesh and bone. That means that what he and the Third Reich did was NOT an anomaly. It was not some historical aberration but another chapter in human history that goes in the volume next to Carthage, Forced Collectivization, Khmer Rouge and the Mongol Invasions, et al. I'm sure if old Genghis K had trains and modern industry, he would have dreamed up something similar.

The point is that it happened before WWII, it's happened on smaller scales since--and it WILL happen again.

505 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:21pm

re: #496 lawhawk

So, President Obama's speech in Iraq today called on Iraqis to take on more responsibility. Funny thing about that.

Did he speak to them in Iraqi?

506 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:26pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

A couple more like that and I'll have to flea.

That'll just tick him off.

507 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:33pm

re: #469 doppelganglander

I've enjoyed Ryan Adams' solo work, plus Whiskeytown. I'm not familiar with the Cardinals. My newest favorite (and like you, I'm always late to the party) is Augustana. They're not all that depressing, but they have their moments.

I understand he and the Cardinals are/have parted ways.

Couple of 6-7 great songs on that album.

508 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #496 lawhawk

Yeah, but as LBJ used to say. He is the only President we got?

509 Buck  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #495 Catttt

Last week, I took my change into the coin sorter at the Shoppers Food Warehouse. I had more than 50 bucks in change. What I didn't realize was that I'd spilled catnip into the coin box. It stopped up the machine at about 52 bucks. They were very nice about it - it was easy to clean - but it was funny.

Now that is the kind of CHANGE I would vote for!

510 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:33:51pm

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

And while we're on the subject of olives, how come when it comes to olives on a pizza, it's usually black olives and not green olives?

I'm not an olive fan, but I have friends and family who are, and whenever we get a pizza w/olives, they're always black.....

Cheaper? I dunno, but when I make pizza, I use Kalmatas with goat cheese. Black olives (unless oil cured black olives) just don't have enough flavor for pizza.

511 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:34:04pm

re: #464 OldLineTexan

Great, now some fool is gonna shove a breath mint in the CD tray, or maybe a USB port.

/

Oh, go fondle yer wife's Clorets. ///

512 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:34:27pm

So, let me get this straight...

We are ALWAYS to defend science, even if it supersedes the sanctity of human life?

We aren't supposed to mention the previous misuses of science?

Beck's argument here is a simple one: Eugenics, developed in the US in the early 20th century, was studied by the Nazis. In turn, a proponent of eugenics was Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood). And PP is a huge proponent of anything that pushes forward their ideology of death.

To mention eugenics and stem cell research is not to imply that individuals who support this research ARE nazis. It's simply tracing a line from the beginning of a movement to its present state.

Those who are vehemently pro abortion are subscribing to the old lie that only SOME human life is sacred - usually theirs. This is the same line of argument that allowed slavery to flourish in America for so long.

The post's sentiment comes very close to parroting the liberal line on this topic, and that makes me quite uncomfortable.

Let the hate-responses begin.....

513 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #511 calcajun

Oh, go fondle yer wife's Clorets. ///

That was a tic tack comment.

514 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:34:44pm

re: #505 capitalist piglet

Did he speak to them in Iraqi?

No. In his native bull shit.

515 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:02pm

re: #505 capitalist piglet

Did he speak to them in Iraqi?

ROFLMAO!

516 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:21pm

re: #408 Killgore Trout

I highly recommend rinsing the olives really well or even soaking them in fresh water for an hour or so to leech out the salt first.


I recommend placing them in a martini.
Then drinking the martini.
Then eating the olives

517 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:32pm

re: #506 MandyManners

That'll just tick him off.

That was sub-lyme.

518 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #510 Russkilitlover

Like I said- not a big fan of olives, but I can see why some people who'd like them would want them on their pizza.

Pineapples, on the other hand, have absolutely no business being on a pizza.

519 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:49pm

re: #506 MandyManners

That'll just tick him off.

Oh fur cryin' out loud!

520 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:50pm

Obama in Iraq......

A total of 4,265 U.S. troops have lost their lives in Iraq since March 2003, and Obama said American forces had "performed brilliantly ... under enormous strain."

Blame Bush!

"It's important for us to use all of our influence to encourage the parties to resolve these issues in ways that are equitable. I think that my presence here can help do that," he said.

Me! I did it! The troops have been strained!

Obama wore a business suit as he descended the steps of his plane after a flight from Turkey.

Bush wore Army workout jacket, or a flight jacket, Obama means business he wore a suit!

"We spend a lot of time trying to get Afghanistan right, but I think it is important for people to know that there is still a lot of work to do here," Obama said.

And we it does, I will take credit!

Shortly before leaving Turkey, the president held out Iraq as an example of the change he seeks in policies inherited from former President George W. Bush

The bad parts are Bush's fault!

521 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:35:57pm

re: #492 Dianna

Really, I need lunch.

No one reply to me for a few minutes so I can get out of here!

Hey Dianna. Someone told a joke about you the other day.......excuse me. Wrong Dianna.

522 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:36:44pm

re: #512 essayons7

When will you be pissing on the coffee table?

523 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:36:48pm

re: #504 calcajun

They purged everyone who did not fit their ideal, either political, social, or religious.

Let's keep in mind an important fact, Hitler was a man. He was a human being--not some demon, not evil incarnate. He was flesh and bone. That means that what he and the Third Reich did was NOT an anomaly. It was not some historical aberration but another chapter in human history that goes in the volume next to Carthage, Forced Collectivization, Khmer Rouge and the Mongol Invasions, et al. I'm sure if old Genghis K had trains and modern industry, he would have dreamed up something similar.

The point is that it happened before WWII, it's happened on smaller scales since--and it WILL happen again.

That is what makes these things, to my mind, all the more terrifying. A simple demon wouldn't be half as disturbing as the thought of a neighbor, an otherwise nice guy - plays with his kids, loves animals, has a little hobby on the side, dreams of retiring to the country with his childhood sweetheart, etc. - being the instrument and author of mass-murder. And yet, there it is.

524 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:36:53pm

re: #512 essayons7

Let the hate-responses begin.....

Would you like some milk with your martyr cookies?

525 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:04pm

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

Like I said- not a big fan of olives, but I can see why some people who'd like them would want them on their pizza.

Pineapples, on the other hand, have absolutely no business being on a pizza.

DAMN STRAIGHT! THOU SHALT NOT FRUIT THE PIZZA (save with peppers and tomatoes) Sorry, we food purists are touchy about things like that.

526 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:31pm

re: #503 doppelganglander

For the most part, Mr. Doppel and I agree on which bands to see. I think the only act I love that he hates is U2, so I took my daughter to that one. The one I really resisted but got dragged to was Meat Loaf. He actually put on a really good show.

Best concert ever so far was Marilyn Manson, and this was just last year. Twiggy Ramirez was back on base, and they were awesome.

I have to say, GWAR was a hell of a lot of fun, too. Of course, you have a lengthy wait while they cover everything with heavy plastic before they take the stage (to avoid "blood" stains).

527 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:43pm

re: #524 Charles
I'm far from a martyr, Charles. I'm a realist, who know that he is on the wrong side of this argument.

528 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:37:55pm

re: #516 Shug

I recommend placing them in a martini.
Then drinking the martini.
Then eating the olives

Nah. Place the olives in the vodka bottle. Drink from bottle.

529 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:38:05pm

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

Like I said- not a big fan of olives, but I can see why some people who'd like them would want them on their pizza.

Pineapples, on the other hand, have absolutely no business being on a pizza.

Teriyaki pineapple sauce, however, is just lovely on fresh broiled salmon.

530 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #524 Charles

Would you like some milk with your martyr cookies?

That reminds me - I'm totally out of cat food.

531 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:38:18pm
532 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:38:24pm

re: #512 essayons7

"[R]emember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics..." is an absolutely absurd statement. It's like saying that "Christians brought us the trans-Atlantic slave trade", and therefore we should "put Christianity in its place" and suspect the motives of anyone of the Christian faith. Ludicrously overbroad, and willfully ignorant.

533 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:38:35pm

re: #463 Nevergiveup

Is the Cert on your ID card that a Cat card reader reads?

No..Totally different...Let's say the DOD says it's OK for you to access resources. But it is impossible for you to download an issued Cert from the CA server. So upon authorization for a brief second the 802.1x security turns off and 1 cert arrives into what's called Windows Stores. At the same time a 128 bit encryption PVK file is send from another server..These two files must match. In microseconds the port turns back on 802.1x and the network is now protected again.
It's really near impossible to hack.. The' easiest' way to get in would be through a telnet session with the Cisco Switch..

534 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #520 jcm

"It's important for us to use all of our influence to encourage the parties to resolve these issues in ways that are equitable. I think that my presence here can help do that," he said.

The narcissism just comes leaping off the screen.

535 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:11pm

re: #525 calcajun

Pineapples would be more at home turned into juice and served chilled w/some vodka.

OK....more at home in my home, at least.

536 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:20pm

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

Like I said- not a big fan of olives, but I can see why some people who'd like them would want them on their pizza.

Pineapples, on the other hand, have absolutely no business being on a pizza.

Pineapples on Pizza! Git A Rope!

537 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:23pm

re: #512 essayons7 Call for references please. When did anyone say we should always defend science? In fact the Lizards do their share of debunking bad science or bad uses of science.

538 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:30pm

re: #529 Charles

Teriyaki pineapple sauce, however, is just lovely on fresh broiled salmon.

Would also make a nice glaze on a Cornish hen.

539 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:31pm

I made a tapenade the other day ( for cocktail hour )
sun dried tomatos, olives, pine nuts, EVOO, fresh basil. a little pepper

pulsed in the cuisinart

slathered on toasted bread.

went nice with the martinis

540 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:41pm

re: #532 Occasional Reader

I agree. Like I've said about Beck before, I don't accept everything he says, but I do give him credit for giving his gut reaction.

It also depends what your definition of "progressive" is.

541 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:39:57pm

re: #512 essayons7

To mention eugenics and stem cell research is not to imply that individuals who support this research ARE nazis. It's simply tracing a line from the beginning of a movement to its present state.

This is a "realist" view?

Evolution leads to eugenics, which leads to Nazi Germany, which leads to embryonic stem cell research?

Are you serious?

542 Mad Mullah  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:21pm

re: #234 Charles

We still have people ranting away in the Glenn Beck parody video thread, by the way.

The ironic thing about that video is that it comes from Al Gore's Current TV channel, an entire channel full of biased, fear mongering, non-stop, end of the world, apocalyptic, environmental, doomsday programming.

543 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #534 MandyManners

The narcissism just comes leaping off the screen.

Yeah, he's the kind of guy who crawls out of bed in the morning, looks in the mirror.....

....and demands the mirror be replaced immediately.

544 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #529 Charles


Intruiging......

/scratches chin in deep contemplation

545 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #531 capitalist piglet

If Obama Believes Austrian Is a Language, So Will AP

He didn't! Land sakes.

546 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #536 brookly red

Pineapples on Pizza! Git A Rope!

I *like* "hawaiian" pizza (ham & pineapple).

547 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:36pm

Beck tripped over his own tongue, but he is right.

First, the present context: "So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research,"

Then, the historical context: "and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement -"

So far, so good. Then this, which is a little harder to parse: "- and it was science. Let’s put science truly in her place."

What he is trying to say is that eugenics was a philosophical movement which claimed the mantle of "science" for itself. Of course "science" has no aim, and has no policy; it is simply a model of how the world already works.

Finally, "If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea."

Beck is not stating it as clearly as LGFers would like, but this is an accurate assessment of eugenics. If evolution is right, then as the world buffers the unfit from the consequences of their mistakes, humans will adapt to their (artificial) environment: that is, they will weaken and grow more stupid. Eugenics "helps out evolution" by forcing humans to breed in accordance with the eugenicists' ideals. That is, according to Wilsonian progressive ideals.

548 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #474 lawhawk

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Well that's out in the middle of BFE.

549 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:01pm

re: #529 Charles

Teriyaki pineapple sauce, however, is just lovely on fresh broiled salmon.

My favorite accompaniement with salmon is steak. That way I have something to eat when I throw the salmon out. My mom made me take cod liver oil when I was a kid and I can't get the taste out of my head. Salmon reminds me of it.......

550 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #537 DaddyG

Call for references please. When did anyone say we should always defend science? In fact the Lizards do their share of debunking bad science or bad uses of science.

You mean that "Base Metal N2 Gold" kit won't work after all. Drat.

551 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:16pm

re: #518 Fenway_Nation

Like I said- not a big fan of olives, but I can see why some people who'd like them would want them on their pizza.

Pineapples, on the other hand, have absolutely no business being on a pizza.

I have found that the best way to dine on pizza with olives, is to first pick off & discard the olives & then enjoy.

552 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:21pm

re: #529 Charles

Teriyaki pineapple sauce, however, is just lovely on fresh broiled salmon.

Upding!

553 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:23pm

Pineapple does NOT belong on a pizza

554 saylorfam  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:35pm

I have never seen Glen beck although I have listened to him. He is very religious and that is fine. I have no pick with all that any more than I do with those who believe that the pope is Gods representative on earth. We differ but yet we agree on other subjects.
it"s ok to disagree, thats how we grow through conflict.
I have to say that I am not always happy about all the creationist vs evolution discussion going on on this site. I espouse evolution but in the long run really do not feel it makes any difference. People will believe what they want. I believe all sides should be heard. The truth is there somewhere although my truth is probably different from yours.

555 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:38pm

re: #549 LGoPs

Salmon has an okay flavor, but I cannot stand the texture.

556 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:45pm

re: #546 Occasional Reader

I *like* "hawaiian" pizza (ham & pineapple).

Me too. But then, I like Thai peanut sauce on burritos, too.

557 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:41:52pm

So are we about to witness a pineapple-on-pizza meltdown?

558 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:05pm

re: #537 DaddyG

I'm just overly sensitive. In a world that is becoming more and more anti-religious that's what happens.

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

My own observation, not a scentific one (pardon the phrase).

559 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:10pm

re: #531 capitalist piglet

If Obama Believes Austrian Is a Language, So Will AP

We should all just go into a room and lock the door, have no news at all of Obama, and not come out for hopefully only four years.

The things this idiot will be allowed to get away with, will drive us all out of our minds.

560 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:15pm

re: #550 calcajun

You mean that "Base Metal N2 Gold" kit won't work after all. Drat.

Don't worry, though, I'm sure they'll honor their "satisfaction guaranteed or half your money back" promise.

561 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:29pm

re: #546 Occasional Reader

I *like* "hawaiian" pizza (ham & pineapple).

Yum!
One of my favorites!
The best pizza being CPK bbq chicken, imho.

562 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #524 Charles

Would you like some milk with your martyr cookies?

I think he needs some cheese to go with his whine.
We need to save the whine, though, to marinate him before roasting his gamey buttocks.

563 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:42pm

re: #557 Ward Cleaver

So are we about to witness a pineapple-on-pizza meltdown?

Pineapple pizza melt - yummmmmm!

564 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:46pm

re: #526 Catttt

Best concert ever so far was Marilyn Manson, and this was just last year. Twiggy Ramirez was back on base, and they were awesome.

I have to say, GWAR was a hell of a lot of fun, too. Of course, you have a lengthy wait while they cover everything with heavy plastic before they take the stage (to avoid "blood" stains).

I think we have really different tastes in music. :)

565 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:42:59pm

Geez....my Karma's reached 2000+ and I barely touched my 'A-list' materiel?

/Ain't better than most lizards B-list stuff.

566 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:10pm

re: #541 Charles

You put the evolution connection in there, not I.

I also never said it "leads". All I said is that, like many other human activities, it can be perverted in that direction.

567 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:18pm

re: #558 essayons7

I'm just overly sensitive. In a world that is becoming more and more anti-religious that's what happens.

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

My own observation, not a scentific one (pardon the phrase).

Then you're not paying attention.

568 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:40pm

re: #545 Catttt

He didn't! Land sakes.

Obama can create new languages with a wave of his hand.

569 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:43pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

Well it would be OK with me. You want to call Gates or should I?
/

570 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:53pm

re: #561 J.D.

Yum!
One of my favorites!
The best pizza being CPK bbq chicken, imho.

I like their Thai chicken pizza better. The frozen version has become very hard to find in my area.

571 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:43:55pm
572 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:44:05pm

re: #555 ConservatismNow!

Salmon has an okay flavor, but I cannot stand the texture.

Food mixer it into a paste, add butter and herbs, mix. Sandwich spread. Good.

573 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:44:20pm

re: #547 Zimriel

Finally, "If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea."

Beck is not stating it as clearly as LGFers would like, but this is an accurate assessment of eugenics.

You're completely eliminating the context. Glenn Beck is a creationist, who has bought into the standard creationist falsehood that evolution led directly to Nazi Germany. That's what was behind this statement -- not just a description of eugenics.

And no matter how you cut it, "Let’s put science truly in her place" is a disgusting statement.

574 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #531 capitalist piglet

If Obama Believes Austrian Is a Language, So Will AP


Obama will master Latin, so that he may converse with Latinos in their native tongue.

575 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #553 Shug

Pineapple does NOT belong on a pizza

HAH! It does!

FOOD FIGHT!

576 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:44:41pm

re: #567 MandyManners

I bow to your knowledge of what goes on here, since I can only check in at certain times.

577 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:45:07pm

Good Heavens! How does Karma work around here?

578 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:45:30pm

re: #541 Charles

Charles--this is a "teachable" moment. This is a "cart before the horse" point. The point needs to be made that the concept of eugenics was around before Hitler rose to power. The Nazis used the arguments/premises of eugenics (which were pseudo-science to be sure) as justification for their political and social agenda--and not the other way around.

579 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:45:36pm

re: #545 Catttt

He didn't! Land sakes.

Ugh....I can't believe I'm going to say this....but......*sigh*

To give 0bama Hussein Dolt the benefit of the doubt, he could've been referring to the Austrian dialect in the German language.

/It's only another language if Bush referred to it in that manner.

580 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:45:38pm

re: #547 Zimriel

If evolution is right, then as the world buffers the unfit from the consequences of their mistakes, humans will adapt to their (artificial) environment: that is, they will weaken and grow more stupid.

Actually, that (a) represents a cartoonish idea of "evolution", and (b) makes the unwarranted leap that belief in a scientifically-observable phenomenon (evolution) necessarily gives rise to a philosophical belief (eugenics).

581 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #520 jcm

Obama wore a business suit as he descended the steps of his plane after a flight from Turkey.

He should have ordered from the J. Crew catalog.

582 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #576 essayons7

I bow to your knowledge of what goes on here, since I can only check in at certain times.

Then why make such a sweeping statement?

583 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #549 LGoPs

My favorite accompaniement with salmon is steak. That way I have something to eat when I throw the salmon out. My mom made me take cod liver oil when I was a kid and I can't get the taste out of my head. Salmon reminds me of it.......

LOL - I love salmon, especially potlach salmon (and I live in Seattle, so that's good for me), but I laughed out loud at your remark.

584 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #551 opnion

I have found that the best way to dine on pizza with olives, is to first pick off & discard the olives & then enjoy.

Heretic! Unbeliever! Quick--get some stones!//

585 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:20pm

re: #577 haakondahl

Good Heavens! How does Karma work around here?

Unrelated, but is your avatar PM Francis Urquardt, from "To Play the King"? Loved that series.

586 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:27pm

re: #546 Occasional Reader

I *like* "hawaiian" pizza (ham & pineapple).

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

587 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:27pm

re: #558 essayons7

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

Well, I'm an atheist, so don't look at me.

588 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:41pm
589 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:41pm

re: #577 haakondahl

Good Heavens! How does Karma work around here?

Upding!

/like that

590 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #557 Ward Cleaver

So are we about to witness a pineapple-on-pizza meltdown?

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

591 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #566 essayons7

You put the evolution connection in there, not I.

I also never said it "leads". All I said is that, like many other human activities, it can be perverted in that direction.

I get what you are saying, but Mr. Beck is doing something similar - he is twisting history to give anti-Science a visceral tool - it's not logical, but it appeals to people who don't know science.

592 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:47:08pm

re: #584 calcajun

Heretic! Unbeliever! Quick--get some stones!//

Dammit - all these olives are pitted!

593 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #577 haakondahl

Good Heavens! How does Karma work around here?

I think the idea is to create posts that inspire, educate, or simply give other posters a laugh - to help brighten their day. The goal being to have your karma be close to the number of posts.

....then, of course, there's spacejesus.

594 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:47:28pm

re: #553 Shug

Pineapple does NOT belong on a pizza

/shrimp does NOT belong on a pizza

595 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:47:53pm

re: #561 J.D.

Yum!
One of my favorites!
The best pizza being CPK bbq chicken, imho.

You put Cabbage Patch Kids on pizza?

/

596 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:01pm

re: #584 calcajun

Heretic! Unbeliever! Quick--get some stones!//

I wanna speak to my lawyer.

597 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

My comment are restricted to embryonic stem cell research.

And no, embryonic stem cell research has nothing to do with eugenics. However, since eugenics was the basis for planned parenthood, and since they support the destruction of fetuses so, I make a tangential connection.

They are on the same wavelength, that's all I'm saying.

598 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:12pm

re: #549 LGoPs

My favorite accompaniement with salmon is steak. That way I have something to eat when I throw the salmon out. My mom made me take cod liver oil when I was a kid and I can't get the taste out of my head. Salmon reminds me of it.......

A fresh salmon, grilled to perfection on a cedar plank over a wood fire is a thing of wonder.

It's also easy to ruin salmon, by over cooking.

599 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:20pm

re: #525 calcajun

DAMN STRAIGHT! THOU SHALT NOT FRUIT THE PIZZA (save with peppers and tomatoes) Sorry, we food purists are touchy about things like that.

Hawaiian Pizza! It's da BOMB! Sprinkler some red pepper flakes on top and it beats any "old Europe" pizza.

600 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:38pm

re: #587 Occasional Reader

Well, I'm an atheist, so don't look at me.

Aw, go ahead and look at him, he's just shy.

/

601 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:40pm

re: #512 essayons7

So, let me get this straight...

We are ALWAYS to defend science, even if it supersedes the sanctity of human life?

We aren't supposed to mention the previous misuses of science?

Would that you got anything straight.

Science is science. It can be used or abused. Like, water, or a hammer, or string. As soon as you start yammering about "defending science", you are a nutball.

602 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:45pm

re: #590 opnion

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

I'm staying away from that one. I learned my lesson in the Great Chicago Hot Dog War a few weeks ago.

603 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:47pm

re: #557 Ward Cleaver

So are we about to witness a pineapple-on-pizza meltdown?

I like pinapple on Pizza.. But there really needs to be a law against fish in Tacos.

604 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:48pm

re: #558 essayons7

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

Why should "belief in God" need defending? If you have faith, and believe in God, why does it matter to you what other people think?

On the other hand, science does need defending, because science education is absolutely essential in this modern world, and idiots like Glenn Beck are planting bogus anti-science nonsense in people's heads.

605 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:49pm

re: #594 Killian Bundy

/shrimp does NOT belong on a pizza

Shrimp on a pizza? Good grief. What's next--caviar with scrambled eggs?

606 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:55pm

re: #586 brookly red

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

Have you never tried fruit pizza?

Gooooooood
stuff!

607 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:48:58pm

re: #595 OldLineTexan

You put Cabbage Patch Kids on pizza?

/

Added fiber.

608 wiffersnapper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:03pm

Glenn Beck aside, there ARE people out there that believe eugenics is a good thing, and it makes me cringe.

609 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #587 Occasional Reader

Well, I'm an atheist, so don't look at me.

ATHEIST! YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!

*I tell you because I love you*

;-P

610 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

So many strawmen, so little time.

"How about some fire, scarecrow!"

-Wicked Witch of the West

611 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:29pm

re: #597 essayons7

My comment are restricted to embryonic stem cell research.

And no, embryonic stem cell research has nothing to do with eugenics. However, since eugenics was the basis for planned parenthood, and since they support the destruction of fetuses so, I make a tangential connection.

They are on the same wavelength, that's all I'm saying.

Are you also opposed to the Pill and other contraception?

612 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:43pm

Last night on the radio Glenn Beck went on a bizarre rant about Teddy Roosevelt, claiming he is the source of everything that ails America. The man gets kookier by the day.

613 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #602 doppelganglander

I'm staying away from that one. I learned my lesson in the Great Chicago Hot Dog War a few weeks ago.

That was a doozy!

614 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:49pm

Between Obama, and cranks like Beck, this country's about to go off the cliff.

615 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:50pm

re: #25 Erik The Red

Is there going to be any "right/conservative" people left to gravitate to. They are all self destructing.

I am starting to feel lost.

Time for a third party, with two parties only, the fringes left & right take over both of them.

Check out the Modern Whigs:

Modern Whig Party

616 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:49:57pm

re: #586 brookly red

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

If there ever was a cause which would rally yankees and southern boys (and gals) alike, it would be to drive out the demon fruit from our beloved thin crust and deep-dish like (making allowances for peppers and tomatoes and their like).

617 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:08pm

re: #599 Russkilitlover

Hawaiian Pizza! It's da BOMB! Sprinkler some red pepper flakes on top and it beats any "old Europe" pizza.

I love Hawaiian music, so I always eat pineapples with pinto beans.

618 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #586 brookly red

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

THERE IS NO TOPPING BUT HAM & PINEAPPLE
AND PIZZA HUT IS ITS PROPHET

ululululullu

619 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:28pm

re: #605 MandyManners

Shrimp on a pizza? Good grief. What's next--caviar with scrambled eggs?

Had a delightful little thing once, on my birthday. Kirsch Royale, to wash down soft-boiled eggs, in cups, of course, each with a small scoop of beluga caviar sort of spooned into them. A truly transcendent birthday breakfast.

620 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #606 J.D.

Have you never tried fruit pizza?

Gooooooood
stuff!

To Arms! To Arms! save the pizza!

621 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:38pm

re: #615 Ojoe

Time for a third party, with two parties only, the fringes left & right take over both of them.

Check out the Modern Whigs:

Modern Whig Party

Ojoe, I'm beginning to think you're a Whig.

622 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:46pm

Oh, gawd- I'm sick of them making excuses for this woman's taste in clothing. *barf*

[Link: shine.yahoo.com...]

623 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:52pm

re: #594 Killian Bundy

/shrimp does NOT belong on a pizza

no argument there.

624 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #595 OldLineTexan

You put Cabbage Patch Kids on pizza?

/

Finally! A good use for them!
I mean, homely doesn't even begin to describe those things.

625 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:50:56pm

re: #605 MandyManners

Shrimp on a pizza? Good grief. What's next--caviar with scrambled eggs?

With or without the calf brains?

626 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:14pm

re: #459 haakondahl

You made me LMAO on that Palin thread!

627 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:20pm

re: #553 Shug

Pineapple PLUS Canadian Bacon, does belong on a pizza, however.

628 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:20pm

re: #599 Russkilitlover

Hawaiian Pizza! It's da BOMB! Sprinkler some red pepper flakes on top and it beats any "old Europe" pizza.

SPLITTER!///

629 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:22pm

re: #603 HoosierHoops

But there really needs to be a law against fish in Tacos.

must... resist... "tuna taco" remark...

630 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:29pm

re: #619 Guanxi88

Had a delightful little thing once, on my birthday. Kirsch Royale, to wash down soft-boiled eggs, in cups, of course, each with a small scoop of beluga caviar sort of spooned into them. A truly transcendent birthday breakfast.

I'm drooling here.

631 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:32pm

re: #612 MrPaulRevere

Last night on the radio Glenn Beck went on a bizarre rant about Teddy Roosevelt, claiming he is the source of everything that ails America. The man gets kookier by the day.

Teddy? Not FDR?

My grandmother HATED FDR.

632 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:36pm

re: #607 Ward Cleaver

Added fiber.


SPEW!

633 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:36pm

re: #579 Fenway_Nation

Ugh....I can't believe I'm going to say this....but......*sigh*

To give 0bama Hussein Dolt the benefit of the doubt, he could've been referring to the Austrian dialect in the German language.

/It's only another language if Bush referred to it in that manner.

Except - he didn't mean that. He said, "There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics."

He didn't mean a dialect - he used the singular "Austrian," as if there was one language called that.

634 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:41pm

re: #627 Ojoe

Pineapple PLUS Canadian Bacon, does belong on a pizza, however.

Or pineapple and ham.

635 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #604 Charles

And on that we can agree - science needs to be taught with facts, not belief.

Faith does not NEED defending. It would just be nice if people DID defend it.

636 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:02pm

re: #558 essayons7

I'm just overly sensitive. In a world that is becoming more and more anti-religious that's what happens.

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

My own observation, not a scentific one (pardon the phrase).

I will defend my religion and faith voraciously as will many Lizards. There is plenty love of liberty and the right to worship (or not worship) as we please. There is a great amount of faith as well as reason among the Lizards.

On the other hand there is not much patience with the extreme right, extreme left or extreme anything wanting to impose their views on others. Expecially if those views seek to replace demonstrable scientific laws and theories.

637 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:20pm

re: #625 OldLineTexan

With or without the calf brains?

Oh, good grief. Disfuckingusting.

638 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:21pm

re: #612 MrPaulRevere

Last night on the radio Glenn Beck went on a bizarre rant about Teddy Roosevelt, claiming he is the source of everything that ails America. The man gets kookier by the day.

At least he's not saying Roosevelt was a Jooo.
Or was he?

639 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:25pm

re: #633 Catttt

Except - he didn't mean that. He said, "There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics."

He didn't mean a dialect - he used the singular "Austrian," as if there was one language called that.

"Anschluss"?

640 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:27pm

re: #549 LGoPs

My favorite accompaniement with salmon is steak. That way I have something to eat when I throw the salmon out. My mom made me take cod liver oil when I was a kid and I can't get the taste out of my head. Salmon reminds me of it.......

oh my, have you ever tried a good piece of wild alaskan salmon, cooked as simply as possible? or some good smoked salmon/lox? it's enough to make you forget that nasty stuff from wayback. makes me envy a grizzly, standing in the stream, eating the stuff fresh!

641 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:30pm

re: #630 MandyManners

I'm drooling here.

I smile just remembering it. Et in Arcadia ego, and all that; man! I used to live.

642 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:42pm

re: #631 OldLineTexan

Yes, it was about Theodore Roosevelt.

643 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:47pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Personally, yes. But I would not force my personal beliefs on you. That's how it works in a democracy.

644 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:50pm

Oh, Christ on a crutch. (sorry, but I must cuss - he is getting on my last nerve.)

The crazy Russian dude upstairs is yelling again. Time to go to the store.

645 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #621 Ward Cleaver

As a history buff, I joined the Whigs.

And also, where I live it is very polarized politically, and when I say I am a Whig, I am not bothered.

Big advantage, that.

646 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:01pm

Anchovies do belong on pizza but good luck finding a restaurant that will serve one to you.

647 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:01pm

re: #527 essayons7

I'm far from a martyr, Charles. I'm a realist, who know that he is on the wrong side of this argument.

If you're on the wrong side, get on the right side. If what you really mean is that we are all wrong and you are right, well, then, that's different.

648 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #616 calcajun

If there ever was a cause which would rally yankees and southern boys (and gals) alike, it would be to drive out the demon fruit from our beloved thin crust and deep-dish like (making allowances for peppers and tomatoes and their like).

ananas su pizza! damnation eterno!

649 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:12pm

re: #606 J.D.

Have you never tried fruit pizza?

Gooooooood
stuff!

Boy, keep talkin' like that and we're gonna ragu and mozzarella you and ride you outta town on a thin crust.

650 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:14pm
651 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:16pm

re: #637 MandyManners

Oh, good grief. Disfuckingusting.

Hey, I know people in TN that eat hog brains and eggs. Never tried it myself.

652 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:24pm

re: #637 MandyManners

Oh, good grief. Disfuckingusting.

Granny called them "sweetbreads" to disguise them.

/tricksy and falssssse

653 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:25pm

re: #620 brookly red

To Arms! To Arms! save the pizza!

I don't think you can successfully save most of it past the initial go-round.

654 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:27pm

Glenn Beck is a shock jock passing himself off as a legitimate political commentator

I find a lot of his schtick entertaining, but I take everything he says in the same way that I would while listening to Howard Stern.

Unfortunately, when he is on FNC or your local large market talk radio station, he is given an assumption of legitimacy that he doesn't deserve. He can sway and influence people. ( who are prone to such easy influence)

and I agree, that his comment about science was awful

655 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:32pm

re: #619 Guanxi88

Had a delightful little thing once, on my birthday. Kirsch Royale, to wash down soft-boiled eggs, in cups, of course, each with a small scoop of beluga caviar sort of spooned into them. A truly transcendent birthday breakfast.

You had me until "soft-boiled eggs". Bleah.

By the way, do you mean "Kir Royale"?

656 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:41pm

re: #634 Ward Cleaver

Or pineapple and ham.


NO combination involving pineapple. Period. End of Sentence. No exceptions.

657 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:44pm
658 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:45pm

re: #590 opnion

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

No debate at all. Chicago pizza is the true form of pizza. New York pizza is a thin and tasteless abomination. Its a scientific fact!

659 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:50pm

re: #625 OldLineTexan

With or without the calf brains?

Well, we got caviar with scrambled eggs, calf brains, and spam, spam spam spam

660 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:51pm

re: #644 Catttt

Oh, Christ on a crutch. (sorry, but I must cuss - he is getting on my last nerve.)

The crazy Russian dude upstairs is yelling again. Time to go to the store.

If he's Russian, how can you tell he's crazy?

And if he's crazy, are you sure he's a Russian, and not just speaking his own language?

661 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:53:57pm

Gotta' go get The Kid. Have a good afternoon, Lizards.

662 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #636 DaddyG

And here's another statement I can agree with.

Chalk this all up to feeling besieged in my faith.

663 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #642 MrPaulRevere

Yes, it was about Theodore Roosevelt.

Teddy? He really is loony.

664 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #625 OldLineTexan

With or without the calf brains?

Hold your tongue!

665 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:30pm

re: #642 MrPaulRevere

Yes, it was about Theodore Roosevelt.

And what did Teddy supposedly do? Teach people to say "Bully!" too much? Set aside too many National Parks? (that one may be debatable).

666 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:42pm

re: #646 Killgore Trout

Anchovies do belong on pizza but good luck finding a restaurant that will serve one to you.

I really want to like anchovies, but I just can't.

667 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:45pm

re: #646 Killgore Trout

Anchovies do belong on pizza but good luck finding a restaurant that will serve one to you.

Anchovies.... Mmmmm.
Sometimes I think I might be related to Dr. Zoidberg.

668 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:51pm

re: #647 haakondahl

I'm on the wrong side from a demographic pov. Based on my faith, I'm on the right side.

669 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #608 wiffersnapper

Glenn Beck aside, there ARE people out there that believe eugenics is a good thing, and it makes me cringe.

Peter Singer comes very close, as did Pelosi in her abortion to save money comment.

The eugenics type threat isn't research, the more immediate threat will be rationing that comes with nationalized care, and the economic decisions that will be made about cost effectiveness of treatments vs. long term outcome that will come closer to eugenics.

670 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:13pm

re: #658 DaddyG

No debate at all. Chicago pizza is the true form of pizza. New York pizza is a thin and tasteless abomination. Its a scientific fact!


Giordano's deep dish.

/'nuff said.

671 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #646 Killgore Trout

Anchovies do belong on pizza but good luck finding a restaurant that will serve one to you.

teh sea kittehs iz going 2 fined u wun day

672 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #651 Ward Cleaver

Hey, I know people in TN that eat hog brains and eggs. Never tried it myself.

Three words- Jacob-Kreutzfelt Disease. Brains are NOT the other white meat.

673 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #655 Occasional Reader

You had me until "soft-boiled eggs". Bleah.

By the way, do you mean "Kir Royale"?

It may be; all I recall was the kirschwasser; good stuff, but not on its own. Bar-keep recommended it, and the breakfast. Damned good service.

674 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:26pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

You are making leaps like Eliza jumping from ice floe to ice floe across the Ohio River.

And you're pursuing him! He's a square peg, to your hound role.

675 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:38pm

re: #618 Occasional Reader

THERE IS NO TOPPING BUT HAM & PINEAPPLE
AND PIZZA HUT IS ITS PROPHET

ululululullu



BOOM!

676 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:38pm

re: #496 lawhawk

I was suprised at that as well... Was the crowd a 'hand picked' group?

677 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:45pm

re: #649 calcajun

Boy, keep talkin' like that and we're gonna ragu and mozzarella you and ride you outta town on a thin crust.


Mmmmmmmmmmmm...thin crust.

ragu?

No self-respecting cook can call that sauce.

678 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:46pm

re: #667 Kosh's Shadow

Anchovies.... Mmmmm.
Sometimes I think I might be related to Dr. Zoidberg.

We all kept saying "Just one more" ...

679 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:54pm

re: #620 brookly red

To Arms! To Arms! save the pizza!

IMHO opnion , the best pizza on Earth is the White Pizza.
Instead of red sauce you use oil & garlic on a moderately thin crust.
Ground Italian sausage liberally distributed with gobs of mozerella,bake at 450 on a pizza stone until crisp.
May I suggest a brave little vintage beer to accompany the feast?

680 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:55pm

re: #656 Fenway_Nation

NO combination involving pineapple. Period. End of Sentence. No exceptions.

Great. Now I'm craving one of those crazy Al Pacino pizzas.

681 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:55:55pm

re: #557 Ward Cleaver

So are we about to witness a pineapple-on-pizza meltdown?

I don't suppose you would like the Shrimp-Mayo special offered by Pizza-La? More for me!

682 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:56:36pm

re: #664 calcajun

Hold your tongue!

That's for lunch.

683 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:56:38pm

re: #655 Occasional Reader

You had me until "soft-boiled eggs". Bleah.

By the way, do you mean "Kir Royale"?

No, Kirsch; Kirschwasser and champagne.

684 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:56:39pm
685 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:56:51pm

re: #679 opnion

Birra Peroni.

686 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:56:55pm

re: #663 Ward Cleaver

Teddy? He really is loony.

I haven't listened to Beck in a while - I guess I missed out on his meltdown or whatever the hell happened to him.

687 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:12pm

re: #583 capitalist piglet

LOL - I love salmon, especially potlach salmon (and I live in Seattle, so that's good for me), but I laughed out loud at your remark.

It's kinda weird. I like smoked salmon (lox) and I'm even ok with it raw on the rare occasion that I eat bait....er, I mean sushi.
It's just cooked that brings out that cod liver oil memory......
:)

688 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:14pm

re: #685 Ojoe

Pretty bad actually...

689 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #646 Killgore Trout

Anchovies do belong on pizza but good luck finding a restaurant that will serve one to you.

I get them as an extra, and the guys at Papa John's know to make sure they remember to put them on. My Siamese cat likes them too.

690 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey
Yes, I would refuse the treatment if it was obtained through the destruction of a human fetus.

I'm against it no matter WHO does the research. However, it being done with my tax money is the root of the matter here.

691 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:34pm

re: #679 opnion

IMHO opnion , the best pizza on Earth is the White Pizza.

RACIST!
/

692 J.S.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:35pm

Another "problem" (?) I've noticed with Glenn Beck is that Beck constantly seeks vindication from others. It's as if he is incapable of assessing himself or able to self-analyze...So, he'll constantly badger a guest with questions such as "Is this just me? or am i right? am I right to think this?" And, then, of course, the guest (some wako) will eagerly say, "Why, yes, you're absolutely correct, Glenn!" After a while of this, as the guests become more extreme, so, too, does Glenn Beck. (imo, Glenn Beck needs to stop and think about just who's giving him these encouraging "thumbs up!" -- if the endorsements are coming from 9/11 Truthers, maybe that's not such a "good thing." And if all the nut jobs are in unanimous, enthusiastic agreement with you, maybe it's time to re-think some of those arguments...)

693 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #618 Occasional Reader

THERE IS NO TOPPING BUT HAM & PINEAPPLE
AND PIZZA HUT IS ITS PROPHET

ululululullu

Didn't you hear? Pizza the Hut ate himself.

694 Neutral President  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:02pm

re: #633 Catttt

Except - he didn't mean that. He said, "There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing -- and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics."

He didn't mean a dialect - he used the singular "Austrian," as if there was one language called that.

The Austrian and Bavarian dialects of German are damn near unintelligible to me, and were so even when I wasn't out of practice with the language. They are almost as far from "standard German" as Dutch is IMO. I seriously doubt that this is what FCBBHO meant though.

Another example of how much more "well learned and traveled" the average lefty in America actually is.

695 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:03pm

re: #681 haakondahl

I don't suppose you would like the Shrimp-Mayo special offered by Pizza-La? More for me!

Well, to tie the shrimp, pizza, and black olive comments all together, when I was in sub school in New London, there was a pizza place that had a shrimp and black olive pizza on the menu. Decided to try it one night.

Absolutely delicious! Became my favorite the whole time I was there.

696 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #586 brookly red

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

So....desert pizza with whipped cream, strawberries and chocolate sauce is a no-go with you? You don't know what you're missing.

697 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:20pm

I like Pizza in Italy.

this crust. smelling of burned wood or charcoal.
very little sauce.
very little but very good quality flavorful cheese
Some spicy meat on the top sliced very very thin.

served with a bottle of wine


no pineapple
no hamburger
no thai peanuts
no cilantro
no nonsense!

698 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:42pm
699 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:43pm

Are you folks seeing double posts from me? My # 687 shows up twice on my screen. Maybe I'm stuttering electronically....?

700 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #658 DaddyG

No debate at all. Chicago pizza is the true form of pizza. New York pizza is a thin and tasteless abomination. Its a scientific fact!

la pizza non è servita in una ciotola! le ciotole sono per minestra!

701 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:55pm

re: #627 Ojoe

Pineapple PLUS Canadian Bacon, does belong on a pizza, however.

Look, you want to eat pineapple with Canadian bacon, that's fine, knock yourself out, make a sandwich out of it if you like. Also, feel free to order a pizza with Canadian bacon, nothing wrong with that.

/just keep the [expletive deleted] pineapple off the pizza, THAT'S FOOD BLASPHEMY!

702 kynna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:58:58pm

re: #590 opnion

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

Now you're talking about something in which I have some expertise. Chicago and New York pizzas are not the same thing. New York pizza has a thin crust and a perfect balance of cheese and sauce. Chicago pizza is deep dish with a little more sauce than cheese.

Both are wonderful and should be enjoyed at every possible opportunity, but do not belong in a war as they are like apples and ... well ... apples ... but like granny smith apples and gala. Not the same at all.

I'll shut up and eat my pizza now. ;D

703 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #697 Shug

Con achugie pero

With anchovies however

704 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:59:31pm

Hot, salty anchovy pizza and icy cold beer. Mmmmmmm.

Sorry, was I drooling? My bad.

705 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:59:54pm

re: #694 ArchangelMichael

You wouldn't know it from looking at me, but I'm able to pick up some of the differences between Castillian Spanish, Argentine Spanish and the 'normal' Spanish typically taught in classrooms.

706 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 12:59:56pm

Damn. Now I'm seeing buzz's posts twice (#698)..........
And I'm not drinking. I'm at work.
:)

707 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:02pm

re: #693 Kosh's Shadow

Didn't you hear? Pizza the Hut ate himself.

"Pizza the Hut will send out for you."

-Spaceballs

Actually, the Hawaiian is about the only PH pizza I actually like.

My favorite pizza here in DC comes from Pizza Paraiso (especially the one on M Street, which, by a remarkable but utter coinidence, has an astonishingly amazing beer selection).

708 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:12pm

I was gonna have a cheese-steak for dinner, but maybe I'll have pizza instead.

709 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #698 buzzsawmonkey

Fertilized embryos are used. Human life begins at "conception" and ends at natural death.

Conception is when the embryo is fertilized, naturally or artifically. We are breeding a whole race of humans who have no rights.

710 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #697 Shug

I like Pizza in Italy.

this crust. smelling of burned wood or charcoal.
very little sauce.
very little but very good quality flavorful cheese
Some spicy meat on the top sliced very very thin.

served with a bottle of wine

no pineapple
no hamburger
no thai peanuts
no cilantro
no nonsense!

I like all different kinds of pizza, but if you pop for the cost, I'll meet you for dinner in Tuscany. :D

711 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #701 Killian Bundy

If there is both pineapple and anchovy, am I redeemed?

712 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #590 opnion

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

Both have their own features and faults. Both are on nom nom.

713 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #655 Occasional Reader

You had me until "soft-boiled eggs". Bleah.

By the way, do you mean "Kir Royale"?

As for the soft-boiled - never had them til then. And Heili (or was it Haili? Ethiopian fellow, anyway) assured me that the texture of the dish required them to be soft-boiled. He was right, of course. A hard-boiled egg would have interfered with the texture of the caviar, and when I got to the yolk, it was an absolute gastronomic epiphany.

714 Shug  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #701 Killian Bundy

Look, you want to eat pineapple with Canadian bacon, that's fine, knock yourself out, make a sandwich out of it if you like. Also, feel free to order a pizza with Canadian bacon, nothing wrong with that.

/just keep the [expletive deleted] pineapple off the pizza, THAT'S FOOD BLASPHEMY!


Amen brother

715 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:43pm

re: #706 LGoPs

Damn. Now I'm seeing buzz's posts twice (#698)..........
And I'm not drinking. I'm at work.
:)

Either quit taking drugs....
Or take your prescription....

//// try reloading the page.

716 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:48pm

Here's a good summary by Phil Plait of certain views about science that should be read by some, but I doubt they will.

(BTW, what are the rules on post size? I attempted to cut and paste this first, but it screws up. I'm guessing it is too large.)


Science IS imagination

717 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #677 J.D.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm...thin crust.

ragu?

No self-respecting cook can call that sauce.

A ragu or ragout is a sauce. That red crap in a jar (laden with high-fructose corn syrup) is an abomination to be sure.

718 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:01:01pm

Question:
Isn't there some LGF rule, written or unwritten, that discourages posters from incessantly spinoff linking to their personal blog, otherwise know as blog pimping? If such a rule exists where might it be found?

719 brookly red  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #704 razorbacker

Hot, salty anchovy pizza and icy cold beer. Mmmmmmm.

Sorry, was I drooling? My bad.

il mio figlio sarete risparmiato!

720 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #658 DaddyG

No debate at all. Chicago pizza is the true form of pizza. New York pizza is a thin and tasteless abomination. Its a scientific fact!

True Dat! I am so down with Chcago pizza.

721 turn  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #349 Dianna

Like/don't like, enjoyed, ewwww!

All are valid comments.

I only made it through the first chapter and part of the second then got interrupted by a Hilti rep. I like it, my comment on the first chapter is more like ooo la la! I'll read more later, it has me intrigued. I see you write like you comment here, very short and powerful sentences.

722 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:13pm

re: #662 essayons7

And here's another statement I can agree with.

Chalk this all up to feeling besieged in my faith.

I am more pronounced about defending my faith on a blog or board dedicated to said faith. I come here because the political discourse (and puns) are rich and interesting.

When I want to discuss and defend being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on line I do it elsewhere. (Unless someone asks me a direct question at which time I will share my understanding).

It is somewhat paradoxical but I am for protecting education and politics from strong ideologies precisely because I want the right and freedom to believe, preach and live my own strong ideology.

723 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:21pm

re: #573 Charles

You're completely eliminating the context.


You have been reading my comments, right? You do know I have no sympathy for creationism (and have gone even farther than you on how to deal with it politically)?

I'm not eliminating the context; I'm just going by what you quoted. The context was cropped by you! A better way to describe what I did would be "you are not looking at this in context". "Eliminated" makes it sound like I've deliberately avoided citing it.

Please understand I'm not accusing you of "eliminating" it deliberately; you just grabbed a snapshot of it. But the context is gone, and I am not the one who lost it.

Glenn Beck is a creationist, who has bought into the standard creationist falsehood that evolution led directly to Nazi Germany. That's what was behind this statement -- not just a description of eugenics.


And when he does that I will be among the first to attack him for it. But in this case he went after the gene-tweaking, the "nice" brave-new-world eugenicism which is going to come out of embryonic stem cell research.

And no matter how you cut it, "Let’s put science truly in her place" is a disgusting statement.


Maybe it is. But he cited that as a thought-process of eugenicists. At no point in that excerpt is he citing what non-eugenists should do. It doesn't stand to the nature of human speech that he would switch from talking about progressives, and then whipsaw to talking about his suggestion, and then whipsaw back to progressivism. If he had, I would have suspected an editorial change in the text, which we can all rule out immediately.

I know of what I speak, Charles; I have a degree in Ancient Mediterranean Civilisation which was heavily involved in textual criticism.

So maybe Beck is antiscience. But not in this quote. This quote is anti abuse of science by progressives.

724 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:36pm

Speaking of Pizza and things Italian, is there any way we can get together and contribute some food and drink to the rescuers and survivors of the Italian earthquake a-la PizzaIDF ?

/The 'I' is for Israel.

725 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:44pm

re: #705 Fenway_Nation

You wouldn't know it from looking at me, but I'm able to pick up some of the differences between Castillian Spanish, Argentine Spanish and the 'normal' Spanish typically taught in classrooms.

The little Spanish I know comes from living in Spain for 3 years, where I heard the Andalucian accent. I liken it to trying to learn English in Arkansas.

726 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #670 Fenway_Nation

Giordano's deep dish.

/'nuff said.

We've had to learn to make that at home here in the Atlanta area.

727 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #705 Fenway_Nation

You wouldn't know it from looking at me, but I'm able to pick up some of the differences between Castillian Spanish, Argentine Spanish

Pues hombre! Joder! vs. Che, no seas boludo

728 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:03:09pm

Well congratulations to me, my tax withholding came within $40 of my tax liabilities. I didn't even need to send them that estimated check on Jan 15. Of course, that's because it turned out I made a lot less in interest and dividends this year than last year.

And I haven't realized any paper losses on stocks, I haven't marked to market or I'd probably qualify for a bailout, too.

729 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:03:22pm

re: #711 Ojoe

If there is both pineapple and anchovy, am I redeemed?

No. You're grossing me out. Ew.

730 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:03:36pm

re: #708 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was gonna have a cheese-steak for dinner, but maybe I'll have pizza instead.

Cheesesteak is good, too....the local pizza place out here has that available as well.

731 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:04:04pm

re: #685 Ojoe

Birra Peroni.

Translation?

732 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #674 Occasional Reader

And you're pursuing him! He's a square peg, to your hound role.

Ouch!

733 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:04:15pm

re: #711 Ojoe

If there is both pineapple and anchovy, am I redeemed?

/no sodium caked dead fish either!

734 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:04:25pm

re: #731 opnion

Translation?

It's an italian beer

735 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:04:58pm

re: #733 Killian Bundy

/no sodium caked dead fish either!

Mmmmhhh. Salt-cod.

736 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #726 DaddyG

We've had to learn to make that at home here in the Atlanta area.

Here in San Diego, it's BJ's, Fillipi's, and our little neighborhood joint, Gaetano's. The best chain Pizza is Round Table.

Back in NOLA, there was NYPD. Can't recall any other place.

737 Neutral President  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:05:42pm

re: #705 Fenway_Nation

You wouldn't know it from looking at me, but I'm able to pick up some of the differences between Castillian Spanish, Argentine Spanish and the 'normal' Spanish typically taught in classrooms.

I think the "normal" Spanish taught in American classrooms is the Mexican dialect. My gf's family came from Spain many moons ago and many still speak Castillian Spanish. She told me that they used to look down their noses at most Spanish-speakers in California because they spoke a "trashy gutter dialect" that no education person would use in their mind.

738 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:01pm

re: #698 buzzsawmonkey

An embryo is not a fetus. If you disagree, explain.

Unfertilized eggs have no research value in stem cell work - they are genetically incomplete. Only after fertilization does an egg become an embryo. All embryos are fertilized eggs. They can be implanted in a uterus and grow into a baby.

739 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:32pm

re: #558 essayons7

I'm just overly sensitive. In a world that is becoming more and more anti-religious that's what happens.

I don't see many postings here defending the belief in God as powerfully as those that defend science.

My own observation, not a scentific one (pardon the phrase).

You should learn to distinguish anti religious with non religious. They are not the same thing.

As to defend a belief in God, I defend your right to hold it, but there is no "defense" for a belief. Faith is faith and needs no defense.

740 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #719 brookly red

il mio figlio sarete risparmiato!

If I stay out of the deeper water, perhaps it will not be necessary.

I'm a pretty fair swimmer, unless I'm full of pizza and beer. Or just pizza. Or just beer. You know, come to think of it, I'm probably not that good a swimmer. I might need that saving after all.

741 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:39pm

re: #723 Zimriel

I know of what I speak, Charles; I have a degree in Ancient Mediterranean Civilisation which was heavily involved in textual criticism.

Maybe you could get hold of some Ethno-Musicologists, and have it out on Hugh Hewitt's show!

742 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:40pm

re: #731 opnion

Translation?

Good Beer! Can get that here at Trader Joe's or at Mona Lisa.

743 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:06:54pm

re: #735 Guanxi88

Mmmmhhh. Salt-cod.

Mmmmm, lutefisk.

/

744 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:00pm

re: #588 Iron Fist

That's true. I think you are right about the footage from Iraq. I remember seeing the pictures, though I don't remember it winning a Pulitzer. At the same time, I'm not surprised by that, either.

The Left loved Stalin when he was in Power. For that matter, they liked Saddam well enough. CNN was deliberately running Iraqi propaganda right up until the war touched off. And I don't mean that they made a mistake and did it by accident. They did it as a conscious decision to maintain "access". Access to what or why (since they were only going to broadcast Hussein's propaganda) I don't know. I guess so that they could come clean after Hussein passed his dictatorship to Uday and/or Qusay. I do have to admit, it might would have been interesting to see which one of those whacked his brother first.

Uday was screwier than Qusay and I believe more violent. Qusay, on the other hand was also violent but probably more calculating. Interesting scenerio. But I also liked the way it really turned out. Everyone except Mizz Hussein got what they deserved.

745 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:34pm
746 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:38pm

re: #728 itellu3times

Well congratulations to me, my tax withholding came within $40 of my tax liabilities.

Good for you. I owe twelve thousand bucks.

(Not unexpected, though... it's complicated)

747 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:39pm

re: #720 opnion

True Dat! I am so down with Chcago pizza.

I'll bet you're a fan of Aurelio's.

748 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #734 ConservatismNow!

It's an italian beer

Wht thank you, don't mind if I do.

749 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:07:57pm

re: #731 opnion

One of the only brands of Italian beer, and it is not very special.

750 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #737 ArchangelMichael

I think the "normal" Spanish taught in American classrooms is the Mexican dialect. My gf's family came from Spain many moons ago and many still speak Castillian Spanish. She told me that they used to look down their noses at most Spanish-speakers in California because they spoke a "trashy gutter dialect" that no education person would use in their mind.

But it does come in handy when the gardeners are starting to cut down your rose bush.

751 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:36pm

re: #725 doppelganglander

The little Spanish I know comes from living in Spain for 3 years, where I heard the Andalucian accent. I liken it to trying to learn English in Arkansas.

Ply 'em with a dose of Cherokee. See how that goes over.

752 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:38pm

re: #737 ArchangelMichael

I think the "normal" Spanish taught in American classrooms is the Mexican dialect. My gf's family came from Spain many moons ago and many still speak Castillian Spanish. She told me that they used to look down their noses at most Spanish-speakers in California because they spoke a "trashy gutter dialect" that no education person would use in their mind.

My brother learned Castilian Spanish in high school in Texas. He worked at a Tex-Mex restaurant, and the illegal busboys and cooks said he sounded like a Bible.

753 JustABill  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:45pm

re: #527 essayons7

I'm far from a martyr, Charles. I'm a realist, who know that he is on the wrong side of this argument.

If you know your on the wrong side, perhaps you should consider changing sides. Of course, if your just on the unpopular side, consider the oppositions arguements, make sure you unpopular side is right and stick with it if it is...

754 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:46pm

re: #744 Soona'

Iraq's own Piranha brothers.

755 jcm  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:46pm

re: #718 unrealizedviewpoint

Question:
Isn't there some LGF rule, written or unwritten, that discourages posters from incessantly spinoff linking to their personal blog, otherwise know as blog pimping? If such a rule exists where might it be found?

It's about content. If it's worthwhile nobody minds. Also if it's here look at this, vs. here look at me it makes a difference.

756 haakondahl  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:08:47pm

re: #739 Naso Tang

You should learn to distinguish anti religious with non religious. They are not the same thing.

As to defend a belief in God, I defend your right to hold it, but there is no "defense" for a belief. Faith is faith and needs no defense.

Naso, you surprise me. Two damned good points in three sentences.

757 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:09:02pm

re: #749 Ojoe

One of the only brands of Italian beer, and it is not very special.

I agree. It's strictly average, like the Italians keep it around just to say they have a national beer.

758 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:09:14pm

re: #742 calcajun

Good Beer!

Peroni?

Bah. Merely okay beer.

As a rule, warm countries do not make great beer.

759 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:09:24pm

re: #744 Soona'

Uday was screwier than Qusay and I believe more violent. Qusay, on the other hand was also violent but probably more calculating. Interesting scenerio. But I also liked the way it really turned out. Everyone except Mizz Hussein got what they deserved.

Mark Steyn, subbing for Rush yesterday, had a guy who openly admitted he thought the world would be better off if Uday and/or Qusay were in power in Iraq.

760 opnion  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #747 J.D.

I'll bet you're a fan of Aurelio's.

I have to be, a friend owns a franchise.

761 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:09:42pm

re: #669 jcm

Peter Singer comes very close, as did Pelosi in her abortion to save money comment.

The eugenics type threat isn't research, the more immediate threat will be rationing that comes with nationalized care, and the economic decisions that will be made about cost effectiveness of treatments vs. long term outcome that will come closer to eugenics.

A new medical/legal term. "Medical ecogenics".

762 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:10:24pm

re: #760 opnion

I have to be, a friend owns a franchise.

I like Mellow Mushroom for almost the same reason, but the rat bastidges won't build me one within driving distance.

763 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:10:35pm

re: #758 Occasional Reader

Peroni?

Bah. Merely okay beer.

As a rule, warm countries do not make great beer.

Which explains why my hometown brew of Dixie Beer was always so-so. It was the cheap stuff we got as kids.

764 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #743 OldLineTexan

Mmmmm, lutefisk.

Yeah, thoroughly soak your fish in an industrial poison/solvent before eating it.

/even as a Minnesotan I never got the wisdom of that

765 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #736 calcajun

Here in San Diego, it's BJ's, Fillipi's, and our little neighborhood joint, Gaetano's. The best chain Pizza is Round Table.

Back in NOLA, there was NYPD. Can't recall any other place.

Have you tried either of these two? IIRC, Old Venice was there (maybe as the Venetian) when I was in SD back in the late 60's early 70's.

Venetian Restaurant

Old Venice

766 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:10:52pm

re: #745 buzzsawmonkey

Good point. I think a lot of people - including President Clinton, don't really know what an embryo is. As far as I am concerned, the whole embryo production thing is wrong. Either it's a baby always or not. To me, it is just wrong, and it leads to all this mess.

767 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:11:17pm

re: #759 doppelganglander

Mark Steyn, subbing for Rush yesterday, had a guy who openly admitted he thought the world would be better off if Uday and/or Qusay were in power in Iraq.

Some people will say anything to get past the call screener.

768 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #723 Zimriel

Maybe "eliminating" the context was the wrong way to put it; I should have written "missing the context."

And that's why I posted what I did -- to show that context that you missed.

769 J.D.  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:11:28pm

re: #760 opnion

I have to be, a friend owns a franchise.


We have 2 down here. Our Chicago friends love that stuff!

770 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:11:52pm

re: #755 jcm

It's about content. If it's worthwhile nobody minds. Also if it's here look at this, vs. here look at me it makes a difference.

I would say it is - here look at me.
Examples:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

771 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:12:53pm

re: #752 OldLineTexan

My brother learned Castilian Spanish in high school in Texas. He worked at a Tex-Mex restaurant, and the illegal busboys and cooks said he sounded like a Bible.

LOL. Yeah, when I went to high school in the UK and the Spanish they learnt was modern standard, my reaction was that of Three Amigos - "Hey! Look at those two leetle SEESIES!". But, that's apparently how Thpanish is thpoken in Thpain.

I'd love to watch some private-school English, GCSE Spanish speakers making their way along some border dive bars...

772 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:12:59pm

re: #759 doppelganglander

Mark Steyn, subbing for Rush yesterday, had a guy who openly admitted he thought the world would be better off if Uday and/or Qusay were in power in Iraq.

A wood chipper salesman no doubt. /

773 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #765 subsailor68

Have you tried either of these two? IIRC, Old Venice was there (maybe as the Venetian) when I was in SD back in the late 60's early 70's.

Venetian Restaurant

Old Venice

Been to both--not for pizza.

774 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #741 haakondahl

Maybe you could get hold of some Ethno-Musicologists, and have it out on Hugh Hewitt's show!

I know an ethnomusicologist. She's getting her Ph.D. at Davis.

775 Neutral President  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:06pm

re: #752 OldLineTexan

That's funny but it doesn't surprise me. I assume the difference to the ear between different Spanish dialects among Spanish speakers is much like English ones.

776 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #604 Charles

Why should "belief in God" need defending? If you have faith, and believe in God, why does it matter to you what other people think?

On the other hand, science does need defending, because science education is absolutely essential in this modern world, and idiots like Glenn Beck are planting bogus anti-science nonsense in people's heads.

Let me expand on this a bit. Not only does science need defending, it demands it. It is a requirement of all scientific hypotheses and theories that they be falsifiable; they are not allowed to rely on ad hoc supernatural interventions to explain inconvenient missing or contradictory evidence. Instead, they must confront such evidence directly and accommodate it, or be rejected.

Note that I'm discussing actual evidence here. Not the empty conjecture spewed forth by creationists. In other words, tangible facts. If creationists were able to produce any such facts at all that contradicted evolutionary theory, they would be on firm scientific ground, and not completely at sea as they actually are.

Note also that creationism is inherently, irretrievably un-scientific, because it postulates that an all-powerful supernatural being who exists outside the constraints of physical laws and is able to manipulate those laws at will can act in such a way as to explain anything at all, including the manufacturing of false or misleading evidence. Never mind that dozens of independent lines of evidence all point to an ancient earth and Universe; all of this evidence could have been created to appear so but not really be so, for some unknown purpose, in a way that is completely inseparable from actual observation. At this point, science - which is the study of the physical world and how it works - is completely tossed aside. The Universe is now a completely chaotic, frivolous game that is inherently unknowable and indecipherable by any means at all, rational or otherwise. The universe of the creationist cannot be falsified, because there is no objective evidence to be found in it; any and all inconsistencies can be explained away through the invocation of that all-powerful, unconstrained force that is able to manufacture anything at all, on a whim, to appear to be whatever is necessary to uphold the hypothesis. Science proceeds by rational examination of evidence; creationism removes all evidence from the table.

Creationism is religion, pure and simple. If it's going to be taught, anywhere, it ought to be taught as religion. It is not science.

777 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:27pm

re: #753 JustABill

To abandon one's moral beliefs simply because they are unpopular is the definition of spineless.

778 Rednek  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:13:40pm

I thought it was because he was ronery.

North Korean Media: Kim Jong-Il Sobbed During Rocket Launch

North Korea's state-run media reported Tuesday that Kim Jong-Il shed tears of regret during the country's controversial rocket launch because he could not use the launch funds to provide aid to his people, the AFP reported.

779 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #775 ArchangelMichael

That's funny but it doesn't surprise me. I assume the difference to the ear between different Spanish dialects among Spanish speakers is much like English ones.

Oh, they helped him out by teaching him the vulgar slang needed in a kitchen. ;)

780 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:14:29pm

Well all, must go. Hope everyone here has a terrific evening!

781 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:15:19pm

re: #774 Dianna

I know an ethnomusicologist. She's getting her Ph.D. at Davis.

I learned Music History from an ethnomusicologist who spent a large percent of our lecture time sharing the joys of the Javanese Gaelan orchestra. I wanted to put my ears out with knitting needles.

782 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:15:29pm

re: #775 ArchangelMichael

I assume the difference to the ear between different Spanish dialects among Spanish speakers is much like English ones.

I'd say, a little more so. As I've said before, it's as if some part of the English-speaking world still used "thee" and "thou".

783 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #777 essayons7

To abandon one's moral beliefs simply because they are unpopular is the definition of spineless.

Beliefs vs. thoughts

Just because I think about something does not mean that I believe it.

But if I believe something, you can rest assured that I've thought about it.

784 Dianna  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #781 DaddyG

I'm so sorry!

785 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:16:51pm

re: #781 DaddyG PIMF Javenese Gamelan orchestra

786 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #745 buzzsawmonkey

The destruction of an embryo is the destruction of a life - a fact.

You take your argument to a ridiculous conclusion with the "press gang" comment. I don't have all the answers to the moral dilemma created by the fertilization of these eggs.

787 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #777 essayons7

To abandon one's moral beliefs simply because they are unpopular is the definition of spineless.

Please continue to post. You explain yourself well and have backbone - and you are polite, which is important to me. It elevates the conversation here that most people are polite.

Also - I've learned a lot here. We don't always agree, but we have a good time discussing stuff when we don't.

788 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:17pm

re: #759 doppelganglander

Mark Steyn, subbing for Rush yesterday, had a guy who openly admitted he thought the world would be better off if Uday and/or Qusay were in power in Iraq.

Well, there's a country next to Iraq that has basically the same mindset as Hussein. Maybe the caller should pull up roots and take, you know, a five year sabbatical to Iran. Nah. Knowing some moonbats, he'd probably love it there.

789 JustABill  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:19pm

re: #758 Occasional Reader

Peroni?

Bah. Merely okay beer.

As a rule, warm countries do not make great beer.

I suspect they tend to focus on wine...

790 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:17:38pm

re: #787 Catttt

That was very kind of you. Thanks.

791 sleepyone  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:18:02pm

re: #612 MrPaulRevere

Last night on the radio Glenn Beck went on a bizarre rant about Teddy Roosevelt, claiming he is the source of everything that ails America. The man gets kookier by the day.

I didn't hear the entire rant but from I did hear he didn't really say Teddy was the source of all that ails America. I heard him discuss Teddy's progressive philosophy and how so many conservatives hold him up as some sort of hero when in reality he was nearly as crazy as Wilson with regards to the state and progressivism. At least that's what I got out of it. Granted, I didn't listen to whole thing.

792 whoknu  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:18:28pm

please refrain from quoting glenn beck. i think his heart is in the right place most the time, but all too often his head is up his arse.

793 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:18:55pm

re: #781 DaddyG

I learned Music History from an ethnomusicologist who spent a large percent of our lecture time sharing the joys of the Javanese Gaelan orchestra. I wanted to put my ears out with knitting needles.

In the words of P.J. O'Rourke, "Asia, the land rhythm forgot."

794 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #590 opnion

No , the real emotional debate is Chicago vs New York pizza.
Civil unrest is likely.

We all know what the best one is, and it's not the paper-thin stuff.

/BTW, WTF folds their friggin' pizza!?!

795 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:19:40pm

re: #640 itellu3times

oh my, have you ever tried a good piece of wild alaskan salmon, cooked as simply as possible? or some good smoked salmon/lox? it's enough to make you forget that nasty stuff from wayback. makes me envy a grizzly, standing in the stream, eating the stuff fresh!

Take a hunk of salmon filet. Salt. Pepper. Oil lightly. Toss on grill, for maybe three minutes a side, or until it just begins to flake in the thickest portion. Squeeze a little lemon juice on and eat.

Trout - do the same thing, but not as long. And you can eat the skin.

796 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:19:52pm

re: #791 sleepyone

I didn't hear the entire rant but from I did hear he didn't really say Teddy was the source of all that ails America. I heard him discuss Teddy's progressive philosophy and how so many conservatives hold him up as some sort of hero when in reality he was nearly as crazy as Wilson with regards to the state and progressivism. At least that's what I got out of it. Granted, I didn't listen to whole thing.


Ol' TR was a fascinating man, but he did tend towards progressive statism later on in his career.

797 HippieforLife  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:19:55pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

That dress she wore in France was truly awful! And what's up with the little cardigans and full skirts? I bet she has a skirt with a poodle on it!

798 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #783 razorbacker
I agree. I just don't understand your point.

I have spent much time examining my beliefs, as anyone who respects their faith should.

799 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:20:45pm

re: #785 DaddyG

PIMF Javenese Gamelan orchestra

Leonard Pith Garnell presents, "Bad Javenese Gamelan Orchestra". (or is that redundant)

800 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:20:57pm

Digitally remastered Beatles coming in September

Finally! The Beatles CDs that have been available since the late 80's were done in the earliest days of CD mastering. It has been an insult to the fans that they have not been remastered sooner.

Capitol will also provide a box set of the "mono" mixes of each album. This is so cool since there used to be completely different mixing sessions for the mono and stereo albums (until stereo took over in about 1968). Some of the mono mixes are completely different from the versions we know. I have always heard that the Beatles used to be disappointed in some of the stereo mixes and the "real" versions of the songs were the mono mixes. This is great!

801 essayons7  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:21:04pm

Have to go for now. Good night.

802 Soona'  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:21:17pm

re: #778 Rednek

I thought it was because he was ronery.

North Korean Media: Kim Jong-Il Sobbed During Rocket Launch

Oh god! That's just hysterically funny!

803 calcajun  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:21:23pm

re: #797 HippieforLife

That dress she wore in France was truly awful! And what's up with the little cardigans and full skirts? I bet she has a skirt with a poodle on it!

Only if BHO sits on her lap.

804 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:21:37pm

re: #792 whoknu

please refrain from quoting glenn beck. i think his heart is in the right place most the time, but all too often his head is up his arse.

And that makes him simultaneously hard to defend and to attack.

He's got a TV personality made for the printed word...

805 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:22:20pm
806 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:22:23pm

re: #777 essayons7
I think the Lizards are quite tolerant of the religious among us and do not tear down devout belief. I see less patience for those who would insist their particular "truth" be taught at the expense of others.

Wanting creationism or Islam or any other faith based system to remain the realm of private citizens and not be dictated as public policy is not hostile to religion or belief. In fact it protects us from tyranny.

807 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:23:19pm
So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it was science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea.

— Glenn Beck


the ideology of Eugenics was in practical effect a rejection of the evolutionary process. (And as some may argue, a rejection of the actual will of God the Creator.)

Instead of allowing human life to develop over time in accordance to a natural process (of as some would argue, the way the Creator wanted it), the Eugenicists would instead assume the role of God in the process and personally direct the development of human life themselves. The Eugenicists would determine who may or may not procreate and pass on their genes to the next generation.

In practical effect the ideology of Eugenics reduced the legal and moral status of ordinary human beings to that of livestock. It was simply another pseudoscientific attempt to justify the recreation of a master-slave society, where in this case the Eugenicists would assume the role of ranchers who would breed human beings as if they were mere cattle.

The ideology of Eugenics was just another attempted excuse for the recreation of tyranny. But as they used to teach us at the Benning School for Boys, the maximum effective range of an excuse is zero.

What are your questions on this block of instruction?

808 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #586 brookly red

look, I agree with almost all of your posts, but if this country ever does have another civil war it will be to un-fruit pizza!

so, no tomato sauce on the pizza?

/tomato a fruit meltdown?

809 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:24:13pm

re: #799 calcajun

Leonard Pith Garnell presents, "Bad Javenese Gamelan Orchestra". (or is that redundant)

Not sure its a bad or good thing. Just not my thing.

810 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:24:20pm

re: #807 The Other Les

the ideology of Eugenics was in practical effect a rejection of the evolutionary process. (And as some may argue, a rejection of the actual will of God the Creator.)

Instead of allowing human life to develop over time in accordance to a natural process (of as some would argue, the way the Creator wanted it), the Eugenicists would instead assume the role of God in the process and personally direct the development of human life themselves. The Eugenicists would determine who may or may not procreate and pass on their genes to the next generation.

In practical effect the ideology of Eugenics reduced the legal and moral status of ordinary human beings to that of livestock. It was simply another pseudoscientific attempt to justify the recreation of a master-slave society, where in this case the Eugenicists would assume the role of ranchers who would breed human beings as if they were mere cattle.

The ideology of Eugenics was just another attempted excuse for the recreation of tyranny. But as they used to teach us at the Benning School for Boys, the maximum effective range of an excuse is zero.

What are your questions on this block of instruction?

Damn! That's gonna leave a mark!

811 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:24:47pm

re: #796 nikis-knight

Ol' TR was a fascinating man, but he did tend towards progressive statism later on in his career.

I'm pretty certain Glenn meant FDR, not Teddy.

Speaking of Teddy - if you haven't read Candice Miller's "The River of Doubt," do so. It's largely about his last great expedition, where he damn near died, and covers large tracts of his life along the way, serving as biography as well.

812 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:27:03pm

re: #708 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was gonna have a cheese-steak for dinner, but maybe I'll have pizza instead.

Where'd that come from?

813 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:28:25pm

re: #798 essayons7

I agree. I just don't understand your point.

I have spent much time examining my beliefs, as anyone who respects their faith should.

Too true. I know many, however, who believe things just because their friends, or parents, or political party, ... well, fill in the blank yourself, believe it.

814 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:30:34pm

re: #807 The Other Les


In practical effect the ideology of Eugenics reduced the legal and moral status of ordinary human beings to that of livestock. It was simply another pseudoscientific attempt to justify the recreation of a master-slave society, where in this case the Eugenicists would assume the role of ranchers who would breed human beings as if they were mere cattle.

General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

815 razorbacker  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:30:37pm

Before I go on to the next thread, let me just say that pizza falls into the same category as whiskey, or whisky, or sex.

The worst I ever had was better than not having any at all.

816 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:32:05pm

re: #512 essayons7

Those who are vehemently pro abortion are subscribing to the old lie that only SOME human life is sacred - usually theirs. This is the same line of argument that allowed slavery to flourish in America for so long.

So you maintain that a woman's control over her own body is consistent with the total lack of control of a plantation slave?

817 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:32:07pm

re: #810 Guanxi88

Damn! That's gonna leave a mark!

That's the idea.

(It's what us Randroids do for fun...)

818 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #811 SixDegrees

I'm pretty certain Glenn meant FDR, not Teddy.

TR was a Bismarckian statist, and he was a forerunner of fascism. Again, Beck is right; but since everyone has it drilled into them that TR was a "great" president, a war hero, a man of action, a progressive and a pioneer - TR gets a pass.

I think that we are suffering more than we thought from the effects of "progressive" education, that something that fits the historical record so closely could be seen as "oh, that crazy Beck again". And I'm beginning to understand why Beck gets so upset; that people don't see it, and don't really want to see it.

819 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:34:52pm

I will get off this thread before I melt down.

820 HippieforLife  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:38:34pm

re: #803 calcajun

LOL!

821 JustABill  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #777 essayons7

To abandon one's moral beliefs simply because they are unpopular is the definition of spineless.

Please re-read my comment. I suggested re-examining them and only abandoning them if you find, upon re-examination that your views were wrong.

My post was to draw a distinction between being on the "Wrong" side of an arguement, vs being on the "Unpopular" side...

822 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:52:01pm

Nothing could be farther from evolution than eugenics. Whereas evolutionary theorists would support allowing natural selection to proceed untampered with, eugenicists all insist upon applying their pet 'intelligent' designs.

823 Gray Skies  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:54:29pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

With the government insurance agency making the coverage decisions.

People who support a national health care system seem to believe that such a system will automatically cover any treatment or procedure that is recommended or prescribed by a physician. This is so far from the truth. The government will do exactly what the insurance companies have always done. There will be a set package of limited benefits, to this date still undefined by those supporting a national health care system. Within the set package of benefits, there will be certain clinical criteria that the patient must meet for certain treatments before coverage will be extended. There also might be a government drug formulary, which will dictate which drugs are covered (probably the cheapest generic drugs), with a tiered copayment structure for brand drugs. New more expensive treatments (like some of the cancer drugs) will probably not be part of coverage based on cost. Number of visits for certain types of care will likely be limited (for example, chiropractic and physical therapy).

I was an appeals specialist for a health insurance company for nearly 20 years. We routinely managed appeals around these types of issues all of the time. Just because a physician recommends a given service for a given patient, this does not mean that the service will be covered. There has been no insurance company that has ever covered every single health care service or every health care service recommended by a physician. The government will be no different - limits will be in place, usually due to cost.

824 wiffersnapper  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 2:37:33pm

re: #669 jcm

exactly

825 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:12:22pm

re: #805 buzzsawmonkey

No, the destruction of an embryo in storage is the destruction of a potential for life--not a life. The embryo could die in storage. It could be implanted, and not take. It could take, and the woman could suffer a miscarriage. It could develop, come to term, and tragically die in the birth process.

All of these things routinely happen to embryos which are not held in storage--and all point up the difference between life and the potential for life.

As far as your not "having all the answers," you clearly think you have enough of them to make pronouncements about the use of embryos (even if you did not know that an embryo is by definition fertilized) by researchers; it is, therefore, strange indeed that you do not proffer even the slightest suggestion as to what to do with the embryos once you deny them to researchers.

Not all that logical, Buzzsaw. Just because something can die naturally doesn't make it not alive already, and not knowing all the answers makes if perfectly understandable to want to error on the side of caution.

826 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #807 The Other Les

the ideology of Eugenics was in practical effect a rejection of the evolutionary process. (And as some may argue, a rejection of the actual will of God the Creator.)


No.
The ideology of Eugenics was an application of the evolutionary process. Understanding a principle does not mean that in using it you must leave the process unchanged.
Flight is an application of fluid dynamics; eugenics is an application of evolutionary biology. Doesn't mean it was right to do, of course, but being unethical doesn't make something unscientific. (That's why science needs to be in its proper place.)

827 Catttt  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #660 Guanxi88

If he's Russian, how can you tell he's crazy?

And if he's crazy, are you sure he's a Russian, and not just speaking his own language?

He's Russian because I know he's Russian because I know him. As to how can you tell he's crazy, since he's Russian - excellent point. :D

828 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:48:56pm
829 Etaoin Shrdlu  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 3:52:39pm

re: #512 essayons7

Beck's argument here is a simple one: Eugenics, developed in the US in the early 20th century [....]

Plato promotes Eugenics in Book 5 of his Republic, which he wrote just a wee bit before the early 20th century. Actually, some 2300 years before — and that's a pretty long time (over a third of the universe's existence).

830 displaced yankee  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:19:39pm

re: #829 Etaoin Shrdlu

Plato promotes Eugenics in Book 5 of his Republic, which he wrote just a wee bit before the early 20th century. Actually, some 2300 years before — and that's a pretty long time (over a third of the universe's existence).


Warning, Charles, warning! Stealth creationist!

831 displaced yankee  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:20:14pm

oh, and, sarc

832 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #826 nikis-knight

The ideology of Eugenics was an application of the evolutionary process.

Nonsense. Eugenics was first proposed as an idea long before Charles Darwin was ever born, and the eugenics that was advocated by Margaret Sanger et al was a non-scientific perversion of evolutionary theory, not an "application" of it.

833 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:41:07pm

re: #822 Salamantis

Nothing could be farther from evolution than eugenics. Whereas evolutionary theorists would support allowing natural selection to proceed untampered with, eugenicists all insist upon applying their pet 'intelligent' designs.

Not meaning any disrespect, but that's about the wrongest statement I've seen you write.

The opposite of eugenics is social darwinism (not "evolution"). Both assume evolution. Social darwinism is the philosophy which supports allowing natural selection.

Evolutionary theorists don't have a position on the divide, as they are too busy doing research to involve themselves in politics.

834 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:42:24pm

re: #832 Charles

Nonsense. Eugenics was first proposed as an idea long before Charles Darwin was ever born, and the eugenics that was advocated by Margaret Sanger et al was a non-scientific perversion of evolutionary theory, not an "application" of it.

A misapplication is, still, an application. A nuclear bomb is an application of atomic theory.

835 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:48:55pm

re: #834 Zimriel

A misapplication is, still, an application. A nuclear bomb is an application of atomic theory.

You don't build an atomic bomb by misapplying nuclear physics, and you don't achieve anything in the real world by misapplying evolutionary theory to a domain it was never intended for. Eugenics has more in common with Lamarckism than with natural selection.

836 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:49:34pm

Eugenics is more of a misapplication of heredity, now that I reconsider this. As such it did exist before Darwin. "Good breeding", dear chap.

But when Darwin became a textbook in the university system, eugenics became more associated with scientists (not science itself!). The eugenicists worried about the failing of mankind, as the scientists' majority race (european) worried that cross-breeding with 'inferior' races, without structure, would bring about what we'd now call Idiocracy.

Darwin was (against his will) cited all the time by eugenicists.

837 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 4:58:03pm

I've seem Lamarck cited a few times in these threads... I will have to look into him before I speak more on the eugenics Darwin connexion. (Which, I repeat, I am NOT saying invalidates Darwin, or modern biology.)

838 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:14:33pm

De la Marck spoke to the inheritance of acquired characteristics. That is, if you got into a fight with a bear, and lost an arm, then your kids after then would be born one-armed. Obviously, that's false, and since the "modern synthesis" everyone knows it is false.

The virulent, racist form of eugenics I was speaking of, the sort which cites Darwin, is antiLamarckian. If antiSemitism were true, there would be a "semitic gene" making Jews into [list of canards here]. Assuming LaMarck, it might be enough to convert them and watch their grandkids grow up to be good Catholics; assuming Darwin, the "semitic gene" would have to be rooted out entirely.

So I am afraid I will have to stand by my statement, that scientific eugenics is what you must get when you allow the state to apply Darwinian thought to the human genome. There has been pseudoscience, especially at first (because this was after all the late 1800s). And we won't be doing anything as crude as going to court to ensure that the trailer park down the road quit breeding "three generations of imbeciles" (Oliver Wendell Holmes, IIRC).

But what Beck worries about, I wager, is that we will find a "nice" eugenics by which the state starts demanding we tweak the genome so that our kids aren't born with a disease gene, a criminal gene, a low IQ gene, a gene that makes you a drunk, a gene that makes you autistic, a gene that makes you question authority...

839 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:54:39pm

re: #833 Zimriel

Not meaning any disrespect, but that's about the wrongest statement I've seen you write.

The opposite of eugenics is social darwinism (not "evolution"). Both assume evolution. Social darwinism is the philosophy which supports allowing natural selection.

Evolutionary theorists don't have a position on the divide, as they are too busy doing research to involve themselves in politics.

All eugenics is is the applying of the selective breeding techniques that farmers and ranchers have employed for thouands of years to human populations. It was first suggested by Aristotle more than 2 millennia ago.

Had neither Charles Darwin nor evolutionary theory ever seen the light of day, eugenics would still be a well known, if widely reviled, constituent of the marketplace of ideas.

As far as what evolutionary theorists have to say on the issue, here is Richard Dawkins:

[Link: www.naturalhistorymag.com...]

Some have said that Hitler founded his political philosophy on Darwinism. This is nonsense: doctrines of racial superiority in no way follow from natural selection, properly understood. Nevertheless, a good case can be made that a society run on Darwinian lines would be a very disagreeable society in which to live. But, yet again, the unpleasantness of a proposition has no bearing on its truth.

Huxley, George C. Williams, and other evolutionists have opposed Darwinism as a political and moral doctrine just as passionately as they have advocated its scientific truth. I count myself in that company. Science needs to understand natural selection as a force in nature, the better to oppose it as a normative force in politics. Darwin himself expressed dismay at the callousness of natural selection: “What a book a Devil’s Chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering low & horridly cruel works of nature!”

840 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:57:50am

I agree with most of you that Glenn Beck is fairly over the top.

That being said, I think his point is one of ethics. Blurring the line between the obvious benefits to be derived from adult stem cells and the unknown and ethically shaky ground of embryonic stem cells shares some similarities with folks like Margaret Sanger and the like.

If you remove the moral and ethical restrictions imposed by the Judeo-Christian ethic we have been raised with in the US (whether you are religious or not) abominations such as eugenics can be the result. We are well on our way.

841 nikis-knight  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:46:42am

re: #832 Charles

Nonsense. Eugenics was first proposed as an idea long before Charles Darwin was ever born, and the eugenics that was advocated by Margaret Sanger et al was a non-scientific perversion of evolutionary theory, not an "application" of it.

Charles, this is a very late relpy, but I just want to point out to you that surely you know that the idea of evolution long predated Darwin's ideas; he just gave it a more plausible (though still skeletal until genetics, DNA, et al) mechanism.

you don't achieve anything in the real world by misapplying evolutionary theory to a domain it was never intended for.

It was intended to explain human characteristics. If one didn't believe in individual freedom being paramount and wanted to manipulate human characteristics, they would apply that theory to the process, by artificially selecting (which is a subset of naturally selecting, as the rest of mankind are a part of the environment that is the active process in natural selection) for the desired traits.

Immoral, of course we'd all agree, but not for scientific reasoning.

Modern genetic manipulation would be the more efficient avenue for eugenics, going after the other aspect of mutation & natural selection, the origin of traits. This is also an application of evolutionary theory; or at least an adaptation of the principles it explains. Less immoral, as it doesn't involve killing & forced sterilization, but will probably lead to much suffering and devalutation of human life along the way to perfection.


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The Black Keys - Go [‘Let’s Rock’ Tour Rehearsals] Watch the tour rehearsal video for “Go” now ⚡ Catch the band on the "Let's Rock" Tour this Autumn. Get tickets now at theblackkeys.com 2019 TOUR DATESSep 21 | Las Vegas, NVSep 23 | Denver, CO Sep 24 | ...
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THE IMPOSTORS - Don’t Get Mad (1980) Here's a band I sometimes skipped meals to pay the cover for in the early '80's - The Impostors. Johnny Campbell, the drummer, would also sometimes work as Jo Allen and the Shapes drummer when Jo Allen (also a ...
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Elizabeth Warren Introduces Sweeping Gun Control Plan Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren introduced a sweeping gun control plan Saturday with the goal of reducing gun deaths by 80% through executive action and legislation. "You've got to start with a goal. I haven't heard anybody else talk about ...
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