A Shout Out from HispanicBusiness.com
Uh oh. HispanicBusiness.com - Conservative Blogger: Bush Also Bowed Before the Saudi King.
Look out. Sanity is out of style.
Uh oh. HispanicBusiness.com - Conservative Blogger: Bush Also Bowed Before the Saudi King.
Look out. Sanity is out of style.
1 | Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:02:43pm |
Gonna share the inevitable love letters coming your way?
3 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:03:05pm |
I saw a video of Bush receiving a medal from the king. Did he ever really bow?
4 | Big Steve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:03:39pm |
but they forgot to use the word "gadfly" when describing you...
5 | Big Steve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:04:26pm |
re: #3 coquimbojoe
I saw a video of Bush receiving a medal from the king. Did he ever really bow?
Ok slowly back out of the room.....go back three days.....and catch up on this site.
6 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:04:46pm |
Obama bowed.
Bush leaned over to accept a medal. Same with Cheney.
8 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:05:09pm |
Wow, nice hat tip, Charles. Not to mention the nod for Rathergate.
Hello, readers of HispanicBusiness.com. Welcome!
9 | Jimash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:06:02pm |
re: #3 coquimbojoe
No. But he kissed and held hands. So the basic point is made.
And I guess they don't just hand out those King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit awards to anybody. You have to be on the list.
10 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:06:05pm |
Check out the left sidebar. It's the most popular story on their site.
11 | CynicalConservative Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:06:22pm |
Sorry to be O/T so early. Single Muslim Advertising!?!?!?!?!? Right Sidebar.
12 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:06:38pm |
Single Muslim dot com? I'm sure they really want their banner ads running here./
14 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:06:41pm |
re: #6 Racer X
Obama bowed.
Bush leaned over to accept a medal. Same with Cheney.
No, Bush bowed to accept a medal.
And imagine the screaming if Barack Obama had been given a medal by King Abdullah.
15 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:07:16pm |
re: #5 Big Steve
Ok slowly back out of the room.....go back three days.....and catch up on this site.
I was here. The article also says Bush was receiving a medal. Didn't read the whole thread, but I am pretty sure it wasn't the same. Anyways, I expect jackassery from Obama and don't really care what he does. Bush took a while before I expected the jackassery. His grew to be more asshattery if you wanna split hairs...
16 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:07:33pm |
re: #6 Racer X
please,king abdullah has the chap stick of the last eight administrations(minimally)on his ass
17 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:07:45pm |
re: #9 Jimash
No. But he kissed and held hands. So the basic point is made.
And I guess they don't just hand out those King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit awards to anybody. You have to be on the list.
Yeah I saw all that. Stomach still upset.
18 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:07:46pm |
As a nation we kowtow too much to another nation that lacks basic human rights. They can start by breaking ground for a church and recognizing Israel fully.
19 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:07:59pm |
The point being that it is absurd to be outraged at just Obama's deference to the Saudis when many American Presidents have been doing the same for a long time now.
20 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:08:04pm |
re: #11 CynicalConservative
Sorry to be O/T so early. Single Muslim Advertising!?!?!?!?!? Right Sidebar.
And Arab Lounge at the top! WTF?
22 | The Other Les Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:08:23pm |
re: #14 Charles
No, Bush bowed to accept a medal.
And imagine the screaming if Barack Obama had been given a medal by King Abdullah.
I would shrug and say, "so what else is new?"
23 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:09:11pm |
George W. Bush pandered to the Saudis throughout his entire presidency. If you don't think that's true, you're in denial.
And he was following a long line of presidents who pandered to the Saudis. Barack Obama's bow was the least offensive thing a US President has done.
24 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:09:23pm |
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
25 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:09:24pm |
I have to watch Bush bowing for myself. The video in this link isn't working for me.
Is there a link to the previous thread where I can find this video?
26 | Jimash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:10:12pm |
I think it was that look of RUSHING to bow that bothered me. And maybe it was just the wrong time to do it.
He must really want one of them medals !
27 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:10:23pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Kilgore,what did you post now?...
oh yeah,bring back the space pope!
28 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:11:10pm |
re: #23 Charles
George W. Bush pandered to the Saudis throughout his entire presidency. If you don't think that's true, you're in denial.
And he was following a long line of presidents who pandered to the Saudis. Barack Obama's bow was the least offensive thing a US President has done.
But the denials in Egypt.....
Maybe the bow was just ass kissing calisthenics, you know a warm up President do before getting in the sack with the Saudis...
29 | ArchangelMichael Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:11:33pm |
Carpet bombing with hate mail from the unhinged to begin in 3... 2... 1...
30 | Boxy_brown Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:11:34pm |
Obama bowed
Bush Bowed
Carter gets on his knees...
31 | Geepers Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:11:47pm |
So are we trying to prove that Bush was just as bad as Obama, or that Obama is just as bad as Bush?
32 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:07pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
He has a talent. What did you do?
33 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:08pm |
re: #14 Charles
No, Bush bowed to accept a medal.
And imagine the screaming if Barack Obama had been given a medal by King Abdullah.
I get that Charles, I really do. Bush leaned over to have a medal put around his neck.
What Obama did was totally different. No medal. Clearly a display of reverence. I do not think Obama should be impeached over it. Ridiculed yes.
I agree with you completely that Bush and just about every president in the past 50 years has been sucking up to the Saudis. That is what needs to change.
Did I mention that I love Global Warming?
34 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:25pm |
re: #25 LGoPs
I have to watch Bush bowing for myself. The video in this link isn't working for me.
Is there a link to the previous thread where I can find this video?
35 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:28pm |
re: #23 Charles
OT: Just in case you were thinking of running with the Nesara thing you should know there are two Nesara groups, each claiming that the other is a crazy cult. At least one of them is crazy, probably both.
36 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:30pm |
re: #31 Geepers
So are we trying to prove that Bush was just as bad as Obama, or that Obama is just as bad as Bush?
I'm not trying to prove anything.
37 | WhiteRasta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:32pm |
Well, the truth is an offense......but not a sin.
38 | snowcrash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:32pm |
Obama did not bow. White House says Obama is a tall guy making a double handed handshake. Works for me. lol
39 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:38pm |
re: #31 Geepers
That the whole thing is alot of adoe about nothing.
40 | ArchangelMichael Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:51pm |
re: #31 Geepers
Just that disproportionate and/or hypocritical outrage is asinine.
41 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:12:54pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Dude! What's the matter with you? You know you cannot speak of St. Palin in any way other than with glowing praise.
/
42 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:13:11pm |
re: #27 Boondock St. Bender
It was a news story about Palin. Some people find news stories offensive.
43 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:13:25pm |
As long as we don't develop our own energy resources, we all bow to the Saudis every time we put a nozzle into our car to fill it up.
44 | Emerald Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:13:27pm |
With all the real faults Obama has, why waste time and energy on something so unproductive?
45 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:13:28pm |
re: #31 Geepers
So are we trying to prove that Bush was just as bad as Obama, or that Obama is just as bad as Bush?
I think we have to clearly understand the foolishness of all our leaders.
46 | avanti Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:13:44pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
I can kick both your asses on a good day. Give me a AGW thread and I'll show you.:)
47 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:14:06pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm hoping to get the Palin blogs to start a campaign to ban me from the internet.
48 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:14:14pm |
re: #31 Geepers
So are we trying to prove that Bush was just as bad as Obama, or that Obama is just as bad as Bush?
*Ahem*
re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth
The point being that it is absurd to be outraged at just Obama's deference to the Saudis when many American Presidents have been doing the same for a long time now.
50 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:14:52pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
I'm hoping to get the Palin blogs to start a campaign to ban me from the internet.
We were putting together a fund to buy you some Ban Roll-on.....
51 | IslandLibertarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:14:58pm |
Impeach my gas tank? IMPEACH MY GAS TANK?
And replace it with what? A windmill? Manufactured without oil?
/hamsters?
52 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:15:18pm |
re: #31 Geepers
So are we trying to prove that Bush was just as bad as Obama, or that Obama is just as bad as Bush?
Or that CNN is just as bad as Fox.
Or that Beck is just as crazy as Olberman.
And on and on...
53 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:15:27pm |
If a U.S. President announced we were going to stop being 'friendly' with the Sauds and rely only on domestic energy production, I don't think many people would be cheering.
54 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:15:33pm |
re: #43 jcm
As long as we don't develop our own energy resources, we all bow to the Saudis every time we put a nozzle into our car to fill it up.
Eggzactly!
55 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:15:39pm |
re: #46 avanti
You won't get much of a fight out of me either way on global warming. I'm a skeptic but it's not a topic I'm informed enough to debate.
56 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:15:58pm |
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
57 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:16:07pm |
re: #50 coquimbojoe
They still sell that stuff....very seventies (ban ,not deoderant in general)
58 | Digital Display Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:16:09pm |
Etta James is singing on dancing with the stars..
Gawd..I love that woman
59 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:16:15pm |
re: #50 coquimbojoe
The stink is a fascist lie!
60 | monkey den Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:16:25pm |
re: #23 Charles
Barack Obama's bow was the least offensive thing a US President has done.
I appreciate, and agree with, your larger point Charles but I can't agree with this. Obama had the enthusiasm of Ozone from "Breakin."
61 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:16:38pm |
re: #49 buzzsawmonkey
I found Obama's bow offensive.
I found Bush's bow offensive, too--but less so because I did not consider him to be as suspect as Obama as far as his overall plans for the country were concerned. If that makes me un-evenhanded, I can live with that.
In the meantime, Obama could have done a buck and wing for the Saudis, or groveled prostrate on the ground, and I wouldn't mind too much--if it did not seem as if he were hell-bent, with a Democratic Congressional majority at his back, on remaking the country into something entirely different from what it was and is.
Buzz, you express well the dissonance I find in myself over the two bowing episodes.
63 | Joel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:17:13pm |
Obama sucks. "America is not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim nation" - yeas thankfully there is no state religion but we are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values.
64 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:17:19pm |
re: #56 Charles
Charles,have you been tipping sacred cows again?
65 | CynicalConservative Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:17:52pm |
re: #56 Charles
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
You know you're over the target when....
66 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:20pm |
re: #34 pink freud
Thanks but I can't get youtube at work. I did go back and find the original thread on this subject and tried the video but it doesn't work. I don't think it's blocked because it processes with a wheel of death and then just stops........
I'll try it at home.
67 | mike(in)savage Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:27pm |
For anyone who missed it a couple of days ago.
/local favorite blog
68 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:29pm |
re: #44 Emerald
With all the real faults Obama has, why waste time and energy on something so unproductive?
We have serious national security concerns and a financial mess on our hands and people want to focus on this like it's the worst thing this man's done or waste time talking about his wife's clothes. Reality is there is a long history of deference to the Saudis and those bent out of shape about 0bama's bow are severely missing the target.
It's superficial and doesn't address any sort of solution to the underlying problem of middle east energy dependency, and it's just to score cheap political points.
69 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:42pm |
Can't wait to get my self outfitted with one o' them fancy new Segway-Pumas made right her in the good ol' US of A.
70 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:50pm |
re: #61 LGoPs
Buzz, you express well the dissonance I find in myself over the two bowing episodes.
A bow should NEVER be viewed out of context.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
71 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:51pm |
re: #63 Joel
Obama sucks. "America is not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim nation" - yeas thankfully there is no state religion but we are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values.
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
72 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:18:59pm |
re: #14 Charles
No, Bush bowed to accept a medal.
Every single Gold Medal Olympic winner I have ever seen at the award ceremony "bows" to get the medal placed around their neck.
Are we to consider them bowing to the presenter?
For the life of me I don't understand your point. Lets even concede that Bush bowed, is that a surprise? He also held hands and sword danced with them. Reason being that the Bush family are pretty much owned by the Saudis.
How that that absolve Obama? He has no generational business interests with the Saudis. He has something much worse- an innate respect for that prick of a King.
73 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:19:08pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
Want me to go help you get the lowest count?
74 | Rancher Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:19:47pm |
IIRC we blasted Bush, not for the bow that wasn't a bow, but certainly for the hug and kiss.
75 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:20:00pm |
re: #63 Joel
Obama sucks. "America is not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim nation" - yeas thankfully there is no state religion but we are a nation founded partially on Judeo-Christian values.
FTFY, FOC
78 | Digital Display Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:20:37pm |
re: #69 Capitalist Tool
Can't wait to get my self outfitted with one o' them fancy new Segway-Pumas made right her in the good ol' US of A.
Don't worry..the segway 2 wheel electric car will be available next year..
For 120k you can get the car in black..
79 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:20:41pm |
re: #49 buzzsawmonkey
I was also upset with Bush's hand holding with the Saudi King - I do make the distinction that hand holding and accepting a medal does not equate to submissiveness, which is what the Obama bow was - an act of submitting.
I'm not looking at impeaching over this - a verbal smack down is what is in order here. At the end of the day, both Republicans and Democrats are too willing to turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the Saudis. That is the bigger issue.
80 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:20:42pm |
re: #14 Charles
And imagine the screaming if Barack Obama had been given a medal by King Abdullah.
He's working on it.
81 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:21:12pm |
re: #76 buzzsawmonkey
I'm not beaming about the bows. I wish that both Bush and Obama were made of sterner stuff. Then I would not fear for the ship of state.
That was stern of you.
83 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:21:50pm |
re: #81 LGoPs
That was stern of you.
Sorry....just realized I re-used your pun.
Shame on me. Bad punster....baaaad punster.
85 | Joel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:22:15pm |
re: #71 kansas
Not one.
Obama is going to give us appeasement abroad and eventually hyper inflation at home. It will take a two decades to recover from the financial mess he is leading us into.
87 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:22:22pm |
re: #71 kansas
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
Invented Zero?
88 | itellu3times Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:22:43pm |
I heard on the radio today "Obama was just picking up something he dropped."
89 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:22:54pm |
re: #76 buzzsawmonkey
I'm not beaming about the bows. I wish that both Bush and Obama were made of sterner stuff. Then I would not fear for the ship of state.
You used up too many good puns. You should be keeled for that......
90 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:22:56pm |
re: #56 Charles
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
You strike me as a bad, bad Classical Liberal.
Take that as a compliment.
91 | Aviator Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:23:10pm |
re: #88 itellu3times
I heard on the radio today "Obama was just picking up something he dropped."
His pants?
92 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:23:45pm |
re: #82 buzzsawmonkey
Well, the Ka'aba provided a model for Apple's New York store.
I had to Google that one.
93 | IslandLibertarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:23:48pm |
When I meet a Japanese, I bow.
Big fucking deal.
Courtesy, observing a custom, who the fuck cares?
IT'S the "0"s politics, stupid!
94 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:23:54pm |
re: #72 Opinionated
For the life of me I don't understand your point. Lets even concede that Bush bowed, is that a surprise? He also held hands and sword danced with them. Reason being that the Bush family are pretty much owned by the Saudis.
How that that absolve Obama? He has no generational business interests with the Saudis. He has something much worse- an innate respect for that prick of a King.
Obviously, you don't understand my point, because I haven't posted a single word that "absolves" Obama. In fact, I've made it very clear that I'm disgusted by every American president who kowtows to the religious apartheid kingdom.
And that means EVERY American president, because they all have, and until we get serious about alternative energy sources it's going to continue.
96 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:05pm |
re: #72 Opinionated
It's not about absolving Obama, that's not the point. The point is that it's absurd to be outraged at just Obama's deference to the Saudis when many American Presidents have been doing the same for a long time now.
97 | paradox42 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:12pm |
re: #71 kansas
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
The Islamic Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art has some beautiful pieces in it. Other than that I'm drawing a blank.
98 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:16pm |
re: #88 itellu3times
I heard on the radio today "Obama was just picking up something he dropped."
our status as a nation?
99 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:18pm |
I'm gonna bow out. A friend just showed up with some AGW Kool-Aid, and we're going to twist up a fatty to celebrate Obama's successful G20 Summit.
Peas out.
101 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:27pm |
I don't want to spend 4 years listening to sniping about how Obama is doing this or that.
I actually heard a local conservative talk show host jumping on Obama for stopping in Bagdad without telling us. How many fucking times did Bush stop in Bagdad as a surprise? The host never mentioned that the men seemed glad to see him, that the President is doing right by acknowledging the troops, that it was good for the troops.
He just kept ragging on Obama about doing it period, what in gods name is Obama thinking, stopping to see the troops, he was so against the war.
Bullshit (and I bet we get a lot of it. ODS big time).
103 | MandyManners Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:24:49pm |
re: #76 buzzsawmonkey
I'm not beaming about the bows. I wish that both Bush and Obama were made of sterner stuff. Then I would not fear for the ship of state.
I've a sinking feeling that you're right.
104 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:25:08pm |
105 | Jimash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:25:22pm |
re: #87 Capitalist Tool
Invented Zero?
Coffee.
Scimitar
Flying Carpet. ( Which would be in full production at bargain prices had we not invaded Iraq)/////////
106 | Digital Display Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:25:42pm |
re: #84 Aviator
HoosierHoops
Evening
Recovered from last night?
I seriously wanted to stay in bed today..No more Men's College Hoops.
Thank gawd for baseball season..To make matters worse..Obama picked the winner! I'm standing on the edge ready to jump!
/not really..It's too dang cold outside
108 | itellu3times Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:26:07pm |
Philippine fisherman catch and eat a megamouth shark
A MEGAMOUTH shark, one of the world's most elusive species, was caught, carved up and eaten by fishermen from a town in the Philippines, the environmental conservation group WWF said today.
So rare are megamouth shark sightings that each find is given a number - this one, caught by fishermen from the coastal town of Donsol - was the 41st ever seen or captured in the world.
But Elson Aca, a Donsol WWF representative, said it was butchered and its meat sauteed in coconut milk as a local delicacy, against the organisation's device.
The 4m, half-tonne megamouth was snared by fishermen trawling for mackerel off the Bicol peninsula on Luzon island.
(photo)
...
I just wanted to post anything with "megamouth" in it.
109 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:26:38pm |
re: #86 Irish Rose
Spencer is slamming LGF over at JW.
Not interested. He runs a hate site, and I'm no more or less concerned with what Spencer says than with what Stormfront says.
110 | monkey den Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:26:39pm |
re: #94 Charles
....I'm disgusted by every American president who kowtows to the religious apartheid kingdom.
There's the nut right there.
111 | Sheila Broflovski Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:26:41pm |
re: #23 Charles
George W. Bush pandered to the Saudis throughout his entire presidency. If you don't think that's true, you're in denial.
And he was following a long line of presidents who pandered to the Saudis. Barack Obama's bow was the least offensive thing a US President has done.
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
113 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:02pm |
re: #108 itellu3times
Is that like a Megahead?
114 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:11pm |
115 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:17pm |
re: #104 kansas
Well, that would be neither positive or negative.
Sure makes it easier to keep track of your new $50,000+ personal bailout debt.
116 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:37pm |
re: #108 itellu3times
Philippine fisherman catch and eat a megamouth shark
I just wanted to post anything with "megamouth" in it.
Sheesh! If you got it, flaunt it! Jealous updings!
117 | Aviator Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:39pm |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
I seriously wanted to stay in bed today..No more Men's College Hoops.
Thank gawd for baseball season..To make matters worse..Obama picked the winner! I'm standing on the edge ready to jump!
/not really..It's too dang cold outside
Would have been nice to see MSU win, but no doubt who the best team was.
119 | Joel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:43pm |
re: #72 Opinionated
Good points. Even if Bush bowed (which I do not accept at all) doe that excuse Obama's obsequiousness to those murdering bastards? We always criticized presidents of both parties for their sucking up to the House of Saud. Obama has so far proven to be a total poseur in foreign policy and frankly Hillary has not impressed me at all as Secretary of State.
Bush is no longer president. I think he was ultimately a poor president but I think Obama's misrule will make a lot of us nostalgic for Bush (just as we did for Jerry Ford vis-a-vis Jimmy Carter).
120 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:27:49pm |
re: #112 Afrocity
Shit, what happened?
123 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:28:56pm |
124 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:28:56pm |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
I take all the jibing here with good nature.
That's the sprit........good for you.
125 | Jimash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:29:03pm |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
I take all the jibing here with good nature.
Just a shot across the ...wait for it... bow.
126 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:29:08pm |
re: #94 Charles
Obviously, you don't understand my point, because I haven't posted a single word that "absolves" Obama. In fact, I've made it very clear that I'm disgusted by every American president who kowtows to the religious apartheid kingdom.
And that means EVERY American president, because they all do, and until we get serious about alternative energy sources it's going to continue.
No argument. None. I go further then you in my repulsion of those characters.
Maybe you don't realize, and maybe it's just me, but I read what you write on Obama's bow as minimizing its importance and symbolism.
I think it was important, telling and odious- even if others have done similarly acts. He is the President now and on him, and what he does, we must focus.
He bowed and I was disgusted and remain disgusted. And fearful of what it portends.
127 | WhiteRasta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:29:08pm |
re: #112 Afrocity
Hey, Afrocity hello. What are you referring to?
129 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:30:06pm |
re: #106 HoosierHoops
I seriously wanted to stay in bed today..No more Men's College Hoops.
Thank gawd for baseball season..To make matters worse..Obama picked the winner! I'm standing on the edge ready to jump!
/not really..It's too dang cold outside
MSU needed about 7 players on the court and still might have been tough.
130 | swamprat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:30:08pm |
"Burn him! Burn him!"
Wait.
"He's right-wing nut!"
How do we know?
"He turned me into Sarah Palin!"
Really?
"I got better."
We can determine this scientifically; What raves, is self-righteous, and piously right-wing?
"I see where you are going....So if he weighs as much as Rush Limbaugh;..."
He would be a conservative pundit!
"Can we get Rush onto a truck scale?"
131 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:30:47pm |
re: #115 Capitalist Tool
Sure makes it easier to keep track of your new $50,000+ personal bailout debt.
re: #128 buzzsawmonkey
Obama could slip the Saudi king the tongue if he wanted to, as far as I'm concerned--if he'd back off on bankrupting the coal industry, agree to drill here, and start looking into nuclear power.
No coal, no oil, no nuclear. That clear?
132 | rightwinger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:30:49pm |
In fact Bush did not bow. He did what comes naturally when you have someone put a medal around your neck who is shorter than you. That is a fact. This is completely different than a bow which is what BHO did.
A second consideration is should we deal with the Saudis on a level that has our president accepting medals. I agree with Charles on this. The answer is 'NO'.
But Bush didn't bow. Obama did.
133 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:30:54pm |
re: #112 Afrocity
Evening lizards.
Afrocity saw want went on in Alabama today.
Afrocity is now ARMED.
Get thee to a range, and get thee some instruction.
Armed is one thing.
Armed and skilled is whole other thing.
135 | Emerald Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:31:26pm |
re: #68 Sharmuta
We have serious national security concerns and a financial mess on our hands and people want to focus on this like it's the worst thing this man's done or waste time talking about his wife's clothes. Reality is there is a long history of deference to the Saudis and those bent out of shape about 0bama's bow are severely missing the target.
It's superficial and doesn't address any sort of solution to the underlying problem of middle east energy dependency, and it's just to score cheap political points.
Exactly. What is to be gained by making a big deal out of this? No one's particularly happy about what he did, but it's not like he's the only president to ever do it.
This type of posturing is counterproductive. No one takes it seriously, and it distracts people from the real issues. The Obama presidency is seriously flawed. There's no need to make stuff up to make him look bad when he's doing a perfectly good job of that by himself.
137 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:31:46pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
He's your own... personal... SpaceJesus...
Someone to take your dings
Among other things
Your own... personal... SpaceJesus
Someone to take your dings
He's the Troll KingWhen you're a troll
who has posted a poll
and the lizards yelled back
and Mandy sent you a WHACK
He'll bang on his keyboard
and your dings'll got overboardTake second best
on an SJ flamefest;
You have been blest
so take a good rest.
He will deliver.
He's the downding forgiver...
138 | summergurl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:32:40pm |
re: #56 Charles
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
It's because you drink Chardonnay - switch to something like Pinot Grigio or maybe a nice red and watch the compliments roll in
140 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:33:14pm |
re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth
It's not about absolving Obama, that's not the point. The point is that it's absurd to be outraged at just Obama's deference to the Saudis when many American Presidents have been doing the same for a long time now.
I'm outraged at every one.
I don't know how many comments I wrote here and on other boards about Bush's handholding.
For me, this was worse. And not because it was Obama. The sight of an American President spontaneously bowing- with a slight bended knee- to a Saudi makes me sick.
142 | rawmuse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:33:53pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
If it wasn't for space jesus I'd have the lowest rated comment of the day. he's beating me by 50 dings.
Braggin' or complainin'? ;)
143 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:33:57pm |
re: #136 brookly red
Good point. Some things are better left unsaid.
144 | xshaisu Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:34:03pm |
Can we move on? There are more important things to be worried about that the President bowing.
145 | monkey den Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:34:06pm |
re: #139 swamprat
...and get your high cap clips while they're legal.
146 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:34:26pm |
re: #140 Opinionated
The sight of an American President spontaneously bowing- with a slight bended knee- to a Saudi makes me sick.
Admit it. If it saved you money on gas you wouldn't care.
148 | IslandLibertarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:35:01pm |
re: #134 Afrocity
Are you going to get a permit to "carry"?
Is that even possible in Chicago?
Not here.
150 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:35:18pm |
re: #144 xshaisu
Can we move on? There are more important things to be worried about that the President bowing.
I'd like to move on too, but that's unfortunately not up to us; that's up to the weirdos spreading this silliness.
151 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:35:32pm |
re: #144 xshaisu
Nope, go start your own blog. Bye.
152 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:35:35pm |
re: #134 Afrocity
Tired of hearing about freakazoids coming in and shooting people because they are having a shit year.
Three people were killed on the very same corner that I catch a bus to the university (IN FRONT OF THE UNIVERSITY). No place is safe.
Got my shells. I dont know how to use it but I am gonna learn so I will see about registering it tomorrow.
They have "permit to carry concealed" laws down there like we have over here in Oklahoma? A most- handy law.
154 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:35:52pm |
re: #134 Afrocity
Go get some instruction - I hope where you got the gun ensured it was something you can shoot. I am all for being armed - I am, but I've spent a lot of time learning how and discovering what I can, and more importantly, cannot handle accurately.
155 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:36:03pm |
re: #132 rightwinger
In fact Bush did not bow. He did what comes naturally when you have someone put a medal around your neck who is shorter than you. That is a fact. This is completely different than a bow which is what BHO did.
Right. He didn't bow. He just put his hands by his side, bent forward from the waist, and received a medal.
It was NOT A BOW. Just keep telling yourself that.
156 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:36:29pm |
re: #140 Opinionated
Ok, cool. It's just that some folks are seeing this discussion as making excuses for Obama's deference when that is not the case.
157 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:36:39pm |
158 | Taqyia2Me Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:36:53pm |
If I were president I would bow to the Saudi king if say, they were paying us $1K per barrel to take all that nasty oil off their hands.
Since that's not the case I want to know why our presidents are bowing to the Saudi king.
159 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:36:57pm |
re: #146 kansas
It does save us money on gas, and I still care. It's pathetic we are in a position that requires us to maintain a cordial relationship with the Sauds.
161 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:37:09pm |
re: #147 taxfreekiller
What does the Republican Black Caucus have to say?
162 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:37:23pm |
re: #146 kansas
Admit it. If it saved you money on gas you wouldn't care.
I'll gladly pay more for gas if those creeps - the hive of Islamic terrorism and hateful teachings- had no political influence in our country.
163 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:37:34pm |
re: #155 Charles
Right. He didn't bow. He just put his hands by his side, bent forward from the waist, and received a medal.
It was NOT A BOW. Just keep telling yourself that.
"Bowing (also called stooping) is the act of lowering the torso and head as a social gesture in direction to another person or symbol. It is most prominent in Oriental cultures but it is also typical of nobility and aristocracy in many countries and distinctively in Europe. Sometimes the gesture may be limited to lowering the head. It is especially prominent in China, Korea, India, and Japan where it may be executed standing or kneeling."
165 | rawmuse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:37:47pm |
re: #71 kansas
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
Algebra (al Jabbar)
166 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:37:54pm |
re: #109 Charles
Not interested. He runs a hate site, and I'm no more or less concerned with what Spencer says than with what Stormfront says.
Speaking of Stormfront.org, Charles... have you seen the post over at Stormfront.org entitled, "ROBERT SPENCER IS A GOD!"
It's from 2006, and they link directly to both Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch.
I won't link it here, of course.
They sure do love him over there.
168 | swamprat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:38:33pm |
169 | paradox42 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:39:23pm |
re: #146 kansas
Admit it. If it saved you money on gas you wouldn't care.
I'd pay $4 if it meant we could tell those fascists to FOAD.
170 | WhiteRasta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:39:50pm |
re: #168 swamprat
Whooping Crane has it's own distinct flavor....
174 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:41:04pm |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
"Bowing (also called stooping) is the act of lowering the torso and head as a social gesture in direction to another person or symbol. It is most prominent in Oriental cultures but it is also typical of nobility and aristocracy in many countries and distinctively in Europe. Sometimes the gesture may be limited to lowering the head. It is especially prominent in China, Korea, India, and Japan where it may be executed standing or kneeling."
I would never stoop to bow
176 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:41:19pm |
re: #165 rawmuse
Islam the religion developed Algebra? I don't see that Googling the word quickly. Says the word is Arabic but the Babylonians devloped Algebra. But I'll have to look closer at that.
177 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:41:28pm |
re: #172 Capitalist Tool
Yikes! Some things are better left unsaid.
178 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:41:43pm |
re: #134 Afrocity
Tired of hearing about freakazoids coming in and shooting people because they are having a shit year.
Three people were killed on the very same corner that I catch a bus to the university (IN FRONT OF THE UNIVERSITY). No place is safe.
Got my shells. I dont know how to use it but I am gonna learn so I will see about registering it tomorrow.
Very seriously.
Think long. Think hard about this.
Are you willing to kill someone?
Now is the time to think about it.
Now is the time to ask the question.
Are you willing to kill someone?
It not a frivolous question.
It's at the very core of armed self defense.
You have to be willing to kill.
Kill to prevent harm to others or to yourself.
If the situation every arises, that is not the time to ask the fundamental question. It is time to react, to evaluate the situation and act on the threat.
Decide now.
If you don't decide now, if the time comes that moment you hesitate in thinking about it will mean the difference in your own survival.
Armed defense is not a a deterrence unless you are willing to implement it.
/ self defense preach mode off.
179 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:41:54pm |
re: #175 onyxraven1979
LGF is definitely anti-jihad, but is also definitely not conservative. That is more apparent each day.
Never claimed to be. It's anti-idiotarian, do you know what that means?
180 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:42:14pm |
re: #169 paradox42
I'd pay $4 if it meant we could tell those fascists to FOAD.
You did pay $4 and you will again. That's what Obama wants.
181 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:42:32pm |
For the curious, here is the medal that was awarded to President Bush
The King Abdul Aziz order of Merit
Awarded: For meritorious service while in government office, for extraordinary deeds of bravery, and for other deeds of service to the state.[Link: www.omsa.org...]
This is what our Presidents do to keep our fuel prices low.
183 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:42:44pm |
re: #175 onyxraven1979
LGF is anti-idiotarian, which makes it more conservative than many so-called "conservative" blogs.
184 | rawmuse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:42:53pm |
re: #176 kansas
Islam the religion developed Algebra? I don't see that Googling the word quickly. Says the word is Arabic but the Babylonians devloped Algebra. But I'll have to look closer at that.
It may be disputed, possibly, but the Islamic merchants used it widely and brought it to the Western world.
185 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:43:28pm |
re: #173 Afrocity
do what you gotta do but don't post it...
187 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:00pm |
Charles. I linked this on one of the other threads.
If you didn't see it, may I suggest you take a look
Barack takes a bow
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
188 | IslandLibertarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:05pm |
re: #170 WhiteRasta
Whooping Crane has it's own distinct flavor....
I once read an article that said a certain enzyme was created in the skull of the baby harp seal when by the animal was clubbed, and this enzyme was a sure cure for cancer. Too bad the magazine was National Lampoon.........
189 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:16pm |
re: #175 onyxraven1979
If i remember correctly,Charles has been saying that for years.He seemed displeased when LGF was up for best conservative blog.Being conservative does not make one an anti-idiotarian.being an anti-idiotarian makes one an anti-idiotarian.
190 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:40pm |
re: #184 rawmuse
It may be disputed, possibly, but the Islamic merchants used it widely and brought it to the Western world.
They adapted it (like many things)...
"There are three theories about the origins of Arabic algebra. The first emphasizes Hindu influence, the second emphasizes Mesopotamian or Persian-Syriac influence, and the third emphasizes Greek influence. Many scholars believe that it is the result of a combination of all three sources.[22]"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
191 | paradox42 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:53pm |
re: #180 kansas
You did pay $4 and you will again. That's what Obama wants.
If it means we can tell the Saudis to go to hell, its worth it. I'm not optimistic about that though.
The only politician ever seemed serious about dumping the Saudis was Rudy. The rest are all bought and owned.
192 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:56pm |
re: #144 xshaisu
Can we move on? There are more important things to be worried about that the President bowing.
Bad blog behavior. Shows you are ancy. And it's rude. And you didn't give any idea of what you thought was more important. And given the first impression, I kinda doubt moving to your interest would be any better.
193 | swamprat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:44:56pm |
re: #144 xshaisu
Can we move on? There are more important things to be worried about that the President bowing.
Absolutely agree;
Socialist agenda, wrecking the economy, ruining our energy sources, diplomacy errors, crony-ism, appointing the inept and dishonest, etc.
Thanks for putting us on the right track.
196 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:46:01pm |
re: #195 Afrocity
I would not have the thing in my house if I were not gonna use it.
just what I told my second wife before she got the boot
197 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:46:04pm |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
dammit!beat me to it...and as usual more eloqent as well...grumble
198 | xshaisu Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:46:26pm |
To sit here and fuss because Obama did something past Presidents have done...no wonder conservatives are losing their grip.
200 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:47:12pm |
re: #189 Boondock St. Bender
If i remember correctly,Charles has been saying that for years.He seemed displeased when LGF was up for best conservative blog.Being conservative does not make one an anti-idiotarian.being an anti-idiotarian makes one an anti-idiotarian.
Exactly.
They're two different things.
203 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:47:34pm |
204 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:47:48pm |
OT
VOLUME 2 update and plea for help.
Click my nic.
205 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:48:13pm |
re: #178 jcm
Very seriously.
Think long. Think hard about this.
Are you willing to kill someone?
Now is the time to think about it.
Now is the time to ask the question.
Are you willing to kill someone?It not a frivolous question.
It's at the very core of armed self defense.You have to be willing to kill.
Kill to prevent harm to others or to yourself.If the situation every arises, that is not the time to ask the fundamental question. It is time to react, to evaluate the situation and act on the threat.
Decide now.
If you don't decide now, if the time comes that moment you hesitate in thinking about it will mean the difference in your own survival.
Armed defense is not a a deterrence unless you are willing to implement it.
/ self defense preach mode off.
I grew up with guns. I never carry one now. I figured I would run into a situations where I would have to use it. I only keep them in a closest in case I run into civil unrest. The rodney king riots were an example. I was walking in Pioneer Square at 3 PM and was verbally threatened by 4 different people by the time I got to work. That won't happen again. I was unarmed and mostly meet the bluster with an attitude. I probably would have pulled a gun that day. The thin blue line was all too apparent that day.
206 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:48:49pm |
re: #195 Afrocity
I would not have the thing in my house if I were not gonna use it.
Good.
I made the decision a long time ago. Mass shooting in a McDonalds in CA. I couldn't understand how that many people would sit there and get shot.
I would not be one who didn't go down without a fight.
208 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:49:08pm |
re: #202 taxfreekiller
Nancy Pelosi makes Obama bow.
Oh baloney. Obama makes Nancy Pelosi positively pale in comparison.
/
209 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:49:16pm |
re: #198 xshaisu
To sit here and fuss because Obama did something past Presidents have done...no wonder conservatives are losing their grip.
Because the blog owner (and a lot of the commenters) don't believe that any of our politicians should be bowing or showing deference to the Saudis... got that?
And Charles runs this blog, and you are simply a guest with no rights except the rights that he gives you. And I assure you, if you keep complaining about the topic of this thread (or any threads) Charles will block you account.
It's his house, you play by his rules. He doesn't like to be told what topics to post.
Got it?
211 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:50:35pm |
re: #176 kansas
Islam the religion developed Algebra? I don't see that Googling the word quickly. Says the word is Arabic but the Babylonians devloped Algebra. But I'll have to look closer at that.
John Derbyshire has a book "Unknown Quantity" about that. And yeah, it was taken over from the Greeks.
Islam as a religion didn't contribute one thing to the sum of human achievement. It has given us no knowledge of the universe that couldn't have been found through science, and it was a net loss as to our moral and ethical development as compared with Augustine and the Talmud (unless, VERY arguably, you were an Arab bandit pagan). Arabs who happened to live under Islamic rule, and various people who happened to be Muslim, did contribute; but for every one Avicenna, there were ten Ghazalis out to declare him a heretic.
212 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:50:50pm |
re: #173 Afrocity
It's a shotgun and I have online form.
Exactly how is a shotgun going to keep you safe at the bus stop?
213 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:50:52pm |
You know, Bill Clinton caught the same sort of nonsense for doing exactly what Reagan and Bush 41 did.
Again, I go round with my fellow fundie Christians who's veins bulge when I explain to then how we are NOT a Christian country.
To all my brothers and sisters in Christ, just remember when you get your way and get the crosses and creches on public lands that demographics--like payback--are a bitch. One day in the not too distant future, when a minaret is raised on the courthouse square, the Muslims will thank you for setting the precedent for them.
214 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:50:52pm |
re: #210 brookly red
for the last time, please do not post for a matter of record information that could be used against you some time down the road.
whoa...even if they want to?
215 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:50:56pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
I can do some gardening stuff for you. I'm really good with that. I'll also send in my Udon recipe when I get a chance. Things have been a little hectic with me lately. I hope to have a little more free time soon.
216 | Opinionated Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:51:07pm |
To those of you who think the bow is unimportant.
If I told you that spontaneously someone bowed to the Saudi King upon being introduced. That's all you know about that person.
If I then asked you which side of the Arab/Israel conflict that person will likely identify with- what's your answer?
217 | Jimash Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:51:29pm |
re: #212 Spare O'Lake
Exactly how is a shotgun going to keep you safe at the bus stop?
Very large handbag.
221 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:51:58pm |
what is online shotgun form?....what am I missing?
222 | swamprat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:51:58pm |
re: #198 xshaisu
To sit here and fuss because Obama did something past Presidents have done...no wonder conservatives are losing their grip.
Other presidents put us a trillion dollars in debt?
Oh.
You mean the stupid "bow".
You are right. It is inconsequential compared to everything else.
224 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:52:11pm |
re: #184 rawmuse
It may be disputed, possibly, but the Islamic merchants used it widely and brought it to the Western world.
Well, I was referring to Obama's claiming all the positives things here in America that are the result of Islam. I am simply unable to easily list anything, whereas with Jews and Christians I can easily see positives from their teachings.
225 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:52:25pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
I can do some gardening stuff for you. I'm really good with that. I'll also send in my Udon recipe when I get a chance. Things have been a little hectic with me lately. I hope to have a little more free time soon.
I thought that would appeal to you. I hope others join in with some garden ideas too.
226 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:52:28pm |
re: #210 brookly red
I think it's important to keep quite about the ownership of certain things, not because it could be used against you, but because you never know who might overhear such discussion and get the idea you have something worth stealing.
227 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:52:53pm |
re: #210 brookly red
for the last time, please do not post for a matter of record information that could be used against you some time down the road.
Agreed, I need hardly add, but don't quote something that is a danger to unsuspecting posters. . . !
228 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:53:28pm |
re: #134 Afrocity
I dont know how to use it but I am gonna learn so I will see about registering it tomorrow.
Please, take the time, spend the money and take a course.
229 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:53:35pm |
re: #155 Charles
Right. He didn't bow. He just put his hands by his side, bent forward from the waist, and received a medal.
It was NOT A BOW. Just keep telling yourself that.
Charles, I'm probably going to get blown up for this but here goes. I can't see the video here at work to judge for myself but what I would be looking for is this. Was Bush's gesture part of his greeting to the Saudi? Because if it was I would be disgusted because I think no American president should bow as a sign of subservience to anyone. He represents the American people and would be symbolizing the submission of the American people themselves. National pride should preclude this.
However, if he was bending over to receive the award - that I would see as a different matter. It would represent nothing more than a physical act to assist in the bestowing of the award. Whether the award should be accepted is another matter entirely and has no bearing on the issue of whether or not obeisance is being displayed to a foreign ruler.
230 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:53:39pm |
re: #211 Zimriel
John Derbyshire has a book "Unknown Quantity" about that. And yeah, it was taken over from the Greeks.
Islam as a religion didn't contribute one thing to the sum of human achievement. It has given us no knowledge of the universe that couldn't have been found through science, and it was a net loss as to our moral and ethical development as compared with Augustine and the Talmud (unless, VERY arguably, you were an Arab bandit pagan). Arabs who happened to live under Islamic rule, and various people who happened to be Muslim, did contribute; but for every one Avicenna, there were ten Ghazalis out to declare him a heretic.
Islam contributed the word Assassin.
231 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:53:42pm |
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
233 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:54:32pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Popiel's Pocket Nuke!
234 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:54:34pm |
re: #228 Wendya
Please, take the time, spend the money and take a course.
to use a shotgun?...do they even have a course for that?
235 | summergurl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:54:34pm |
re: #223 xshaisu
I completely agree with Charles.
Down dinged you for being a smart ass or a suck up, or both
236 | LGoPs Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:54:45pm |
237 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:55:35pm |
re: #229 LGoPs
As a country do we?
1. Kowtow to the Saudi's?
2. Treat them with the respect they treat us with?
3. Expect them to be subservient to us?
239 | sawblade88 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:55:54pm |
re: #184 rawmuse
Algebra is a joint effort; really a continuous development. You can trace it back to Babylon, through China and India to Persia. The name 'algebra' comes from al-jabr, which is Arabic. It's clear that the Persians and Arabs developed a lot of it, and most sources credit them with originating algebra, c. 820, with credit to Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī.
240 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:55:59pm |
re: #221 albusteve
what is online shotgun form?....what am I missing?
A FOID application can be downloaded from the Illinois State Police website at [Link: www.isp.state.il.us...] or applications may be obtained at most retail stores where firearms are sold.
241 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:55:59pm |
re: #230 hazzyday
Islam contributed the word Assassin.
That was just the Isma'ili Shi`a; other Muslims viewed them like we'd view David Koresh. (trying to be fair here)
242 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:04pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
This Ruger LCP has been recommended for small hands:
[Link: www.ruger-firearms.com...]
243 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:08pm |
re: #225 Sharmuta
I thought that would appeal to you. I hope others join in with some garden ideas too.
You can get tobacco seeds online- easy to find on ebay.
Take the ones you don't need (they are very tiny and you usually get a whole bunch for price) and learn to make Fukuoka seed balls- then scatter them all over the place in wild areas where mowers won't go.
244 | xshaisu Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:14pm |
And I'm not telling what Charles should or should not post. I'm speaking in reference to people making a big deal from this bow when it is nothing more than a distracting from the larger issues.
245 | NonNativeTexan Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:24pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
A 38 revolver, 2 1/2 to 3 inch barrel. They have very light weight ones.
246 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:43pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
...never mind.
247 | ciaospirit Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:59pm |
Some info on HispanicBusiness. Not that it means anything.
HISPANIC BUSINESS® magazine won the prestigious Maggie Award for "Best Business & Finance Magazine," and we are syndicated by the New York Times Company.
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) Maggie Awards recognize exceptional contributions by the media and arts and entertainment industries that enhance the public's understanding of reproductive rights and health care issues, including contraception, sex education, teen pregnancy, abortion, and international family planning.
248 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:56:59pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
just go look at them all....just like picking out silverware or whatever,,,,there is no secret to ti
250 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:57:22pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Good for you. I am happy with my decision.
251 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:57:22pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Browning or Beretta .380
252 | swamprat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:57:49pm |
re: #244 xshaisu
And I'm not telling what Charles should or should not post. I'm speaking in reference to people making a big deal from this bow when it is nothing more than a distracting from the larger issues.
Please elaborate. And be specific.
253 | Mad Mullah Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:57:49pm |
Since we are comparing Bush to Obama and their interaction with the Saudis, I thought of one more significant difference in their behavior.
When Bush was receiving the medal, did he do anything differently than anybody else receiving the medal? I don't believe that he did. I believe that Cheney was mentioned in an earlier thread.
Now on to Obama, did Obama do anything differently than the other world leaders in the room who greeted the king? Why yes he did, I don't believe that the others bowed to Saudis in the shameful way that Obama did. Obama went out of his way to do something that nobody else present did.
254 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:57:59pm |
re: #240 Afrocity
A FOID application can be downloaded from the Illinois State Police website at [Link: www.isp.state.il.us...] or applications may be obtained at most retail stores where firearms are sold.
usually the dealer takes care of that stuff...just wondered
255 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:58:13pm |
256 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:04pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
I would have bought a handgun, but you cannot own one in Chicago
257 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:10pm |
258 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:16pm |
re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist
Are you a single Muslim, though?
Well, neither actually, but the ad did not mention any requirements.
259 | Aviator Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:28pm |
re: #242 jaunte
This Ruger LCP has been recommended for small hands:
[Link: www.ruger-firearms.com...]
The only problem is .380 ammunition is very hard to find right now.
260 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:44pm |
re: #205 hazzyday
I probably would have pulled a gun that day. The thin blue line was all too apparent that day.
That's why proper training is really necessary. With the right to keep and bear arms comes the responsibility of proper use. I've been in some frightening situations and taken a lot of verbal abuse but I've never drawn my weapon because when you're armed, you've got a responsibility NOT to let a situation escalate. I don't give a shit if someone calls me everything but a child of God.... I just let it bounce right the hell off. Unless someone draws a gun or knife on me or attempts to physically restrain me, the gun stays holstered.
261 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:47pm |
re: #253 Mad Mullah
Since we are comparing Bush to Obama and their interaction with the Saudis, I thought of one more significant difference in their behavior.
When Bush was receiving the medal, did he do anything differently than anybody else receiving the medal? I don't believe that he did. I believe that Cheney was mentioned in an earlier thread.
Now on to Obama, did Obama do anything differently than the other world leaders in the room who greeted the king? Why yes he did, I don't believe that the others bowed to Saudis in the shameful way that Obama did. Obama went out of his way to do something that nobody else present did.
I noticed Bush's sword behavior and remember it disquieted me for a President to do that. I moved on past it and let it be.
262 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 6:59:56pm |
re: #256 Afrocity
I would have bought a handgun, but you cannot own one in Chicago
contact the ACLU...file a lawsuit
263 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:00:12pm |
re: #258 kansas
Well, neither actually, but the ad did not mention any requirements.
Well, I would expect, from the title of the site, that "single" and "muslim" plays into the equation somewhere, don't you think? Or is it just me?
264 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:00:14pm |
re: #206 jcm
Good.
I made the decision a long time ago. Mass shooting in a McDonalds in CA. I couldn't understand how that many people would sit there and get shot.
I would not be one who didn't go down without a fight.
It's very hard to think about what you would do in any given situation. I have never had a shot fired at me in anger (accidentally is another matter). I have talked with several combat vets from several wars and the one constant is that when you are fired upon, your training "takes over". In other words, soldiers become conditioned to those types of situations. It is very hard for someone without that conditioning to speculate how they will react. There is the way I hope I would act, especially if my children and loved ones are about. The reality, though, is that we are all just as likely to fight with our feet and look for the nearest exit.
The worst thing about owning a firearm is not being ignorant about how to discharge it--it's not being confident that you can discharge it. You never want to be shot with your own gun.
265 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:00:20pm |
Thanks for the advice all, I'm making a short list.
266 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:00:44pm |
267 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:01:00pm |
re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist
Are you a single Muslim, though?
I have to say, they really should know better than to advertise here. That would be like running an ad for CatholicMatch.com at Jack Chick's site...
268 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:01:05pm |
re: #265 Irish Rose
Thanks for the advice all, I'm making a short list.
Don't forget the Popiel's Pocket Nuke, put that on top of your list.
269 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:01:18pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Find a range with rentals.
.380s are small, lightweight and easy to handle. But you have to put lead on target, it not going to knock anyone down.
There are a wide variety of compact semi-auto handguns from 9mm up to .45.
Spend the time, and rental cost to try a wide variety. What works for me, won't work for you.
The most important thing is that you are comfortable with the firearm, can handle it easily, that you can consistently put lead on target without undo effort.
A primary defensive firearm is one that has to be completely automatic to use, you can't and don't have time to think about grip, aim etc...
The other piece to that is training once find a comfortable fit.
270 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:01:30pm |
re: #261 hazzyday
I noticed Bush's sword behavior and remember it disquieted me for a President to do that. I moved on past it and let it be.
Which might be a good decision on the Obama - Saudi dispute. Let it go.
271 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:01:35pm |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
Don't forget the Popiel's Pocket Nuke, put that on top of your list.
Is that anything like the Noisy Cricket?
272 | NonNativeTexan Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:02:08pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
I think revolvers are "safer" because it is easy to see
if it is loaded. Also, if it misfires, you just pull the trigger
again. An automatic on the other hand, if it misfires,
you have to slam the clip, re-rack it, etc.
273 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:02:27pm |
re: #214 albusteve
whoa...even if they want to?
OK, let's say some one was to shoot and wound an intruder, are you with me? the intruder then sues and their lawyer produces a blog thread "suggesting" that the party of the first part was in some way "looking forward" to shooting someone (like their client) are you with me? and in the case of an illegal, "depriving them of their rights" ... talk all you want, but my advise is STFU.
274 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:02:29pm |
re: #245 NonNativeTexan
I have a 38 special revolver - it's one of my favorites because it's very uncomplicated.
If people are in apartments, they should consider Glaser safety slugs - the goal is to eliminate the risk of the bad guy NOT shoot through walls and unintended targets.
276 | dapperdave Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:03pm |
I don't believe in guns, I prefer to insert the bullets manually./
277 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:05pm |
re: #263 Walter L. Newton
Well, I would expect, from the title of the site, that "single" and "muslim" plays into the equation somewhere, don't you think? Or is it just me?
Excellent point. But I'm not Little, or Green, nor am I a Football.
278 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:19pm |
re: #260 Wendya
That's why proper training is really necessary. With the right to keep and bear arms comes the responsibility of proper use. I've been in some frightening situations and taken a lot of verbal abuse but I've never drawn my weapon because when you're armed, you've got a responsibility NOT to let a situation escalate. I don't give a shit if someone calls me everything but a child of God.... I just let it bounce right the hell off. Unless someone draws a gun or knife on me or attempts to physically restrain me, the gun stays holstered.
Yah I go without and try and talk my way out of any difficult situations. But sometime I don't recognize trouble soon enough. I figure if I were to kill someone I would end up in jail for life unless it was at home. If they kill me. It won't bother me. But your advice is well taken. Recognize an actual threat and never point a gun at anyone unless you are going to use it. Basic firearms safety. Walk away if you are angry. Cool down. Talk it out.
279 | Mad Mullah Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:21pm |
re: #261 hazzyday
I noticed Bush's sword behavior and remember it disquieted me for a President to do that. I moved on past it and let it be.
I agree that episode is best forgotten, and so is the holding hands like gay lovers. However, maybe it's just me, but I see a huge symbolic difference between those episodes and the Obama bow, especially when taking Obama's roots and his associations into consideration.
280 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:28pm |
re: #253 Mad Mullah
Call me when 0bama does the sword dance.
281 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:35pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
For home defense? I'd go with a 20 gauge shotgun. Less recoil and easy to use. My 79 year old mother has no problem handling one and it has sufficient stopping power (depending on load) within a home.
282 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:40pm |
re: #63 Joel
Obama sucks. "America is not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim nation" - yeas thankfully there is no state religion but we are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values.
We are a nation founded, if we be founded on any religious values at all, on Christian, heck, PROTESTANT values.
The "Judeo-" refers strictly to what Protestant Christians chose to take from Christianity's historical base in Judaism. It falsely implies an inclusion of living Jews and their values in the founding of the country.
I ain't saying we Yidden didn't have good luck with the U.S., because we surely did, but 'Judeo-Christian' suggests something about the founding of the nation that is not true.
283 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:49pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Something that you can operate. Seriously--if you have small hands, you might not be able to work the slide release in some larger pistols. Something that not only fits your hand but where your fingers can touch all the controls.
284 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:52pm |
re: #277 kansas
Excellent point. But I'm not Little, or Green, nor am I a Football.
You're not? I am. I thought we all were. Damn.
285 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:03:54pm |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
Just ordered one from ebay. Thanks for the tip!
286 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:04:02pm |
Sorry to jump in; I'm watching the fairly startling "Frontline" about the BAE/Saudi Arabia bribery deal.
Crazy stuff.
The Saudis threatened Blair to drop the investigation, or they would stop cooperating on terrorism (implicitly suggesting that AQ would hit Britain again).
Former FBI director Louis Freeh currently fucking well REPRESENTS Prince Bandar.
/spit
287 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:04:06pm |
re: #264 calcajun
It's very hard to think about what you would do in any given situation. I have never had a shot fired at me in anger (accidentally is another matter). I have talked with several combat vets from several wars and the one constant is that when you are fired upon, your training "takes
288 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:01pm |
re: #275 Iron Fist
9mm or .38. My ex-wife was a very small woman, and she carried a S&W 659. Berettas are nice, but they are a little big for carrying. If you prefer a revolver either a .38 or .357. Personally, I'd go with the .357 because you can always practice with .38s and carry with full-power .357 loads. That makes the .357 a bit more flexible.
You are probably going to want to stay away from .44s or .45s. Although Dianna has a Kimber in .45. You might ask her about the recoil. I don't generally mind it, but I don't especially mind a .44 Magnum, either.
Speaking of thicker bullets- Charter Arms makes a really nice little
.44- special 5-shot revolver that is small and not a bit hard to control.
289 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:19pm |
re: #82 buzzsawmonkey
Well, the Ka'aba provided a model for Apple's New York store.
By that standard, the Kaaba provided a model for any cube-shaped thing.
That store doesn't look anything like the Kaaba.
290 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:26pm |
re: #264 calcajun
It's very hard to think about what you would do in any given situation. I have never had a shot fired at me in anger (accidentally is another matter). I have talked with several combat vets from several wars and the one constant is that when you are fired upon, your training "takes over". In other words, soldiers become conditioned to those types of situations. It is very hard for someone without that conditioning to speculate how they will react. There is the way I hope I would act, especially if my children and loved ones are about. The reality, though, is that we are all just as likely to fight with our feet and look for the nearest exit.
The worst thing about owning a firearm is not being ignorant about how to discharge it--it's not being confident that you can discharge it. You never want to be shot with your own gun.
I've been through LE training including shoot no-shoot sims. In lieu of tons of training, one can think through everyday situations. If I'm sitting in McD's and a gunmen comes in what will I do? You can mind game a lot of scenarios that way.
Also be dead certain of the local self defense laws, when and when you can't use lethal force.
291 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:33pm |
re: #273 brookly red
OK, let's say some one was to shoot and wound an intruder, are you with me? the intruder then sues and their lawyer produces a blog thread "suggesting" that the party of the first part was in some way "looking forward" to shooting someone (like their client) are you with me? and in the case of an illegal, "depriving them of their rights" ... talk all you want, but my advise is STFU.
So take your own advice/
292 | JHW Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:54pm |
re: #204 reine.de.tout
OT
VOLUME 2 update and plea for help.
Click my nic.
Just sent you some Indian Fry Bread recipes.
293 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:05:58pm |
re: #287 albusteve
What happened there? You cut out on us, buddy.
294 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:06:10pm |
re: #273 brookly red
OK, let's say some one was to shoot and wound an intruder, are you with me? the intruder then sues and their lawyer produces a blog thread "suggesting" that the party of the first part was in some way "looking forward" to shooting someone (like their client) are you with me? and in the case of an illegal, "depriving them of their rights" ... talk all you want, but my advise is STFU.
why are you so hostile?
295 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:06:21pm |
Here is a bit of context from Daniel Pipes back in 2003..
The Scandal of U.S.-Saudi Relations
In November 1990, President George H.W. Bush went to the Persian Gulf region with his wife and top congressional leaders at Thanksgiving time to visit the 400,000 troops gathered in Saudi Arabia, whom he sent there to protect that country from an Iraqi invasion. When the Saudi authorities learned that the President intended to say grace before a festive Thanksgiving dinner, they remonstrated; Saudi Arabia knows only one religion, they said, and that is Islam. Bush acceded, and he and his entourage instead celebrated the holiday on the U.S.S. Durham, an amphibious cargo ship sitting in international waters.
But at least he didn't bow.
296 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:06:30pm |
re: #285 ArmyWife
Just ordered one from ebay. Thanks for the tip!
Can I get one too? Only problem is my Visa limit is only 2 trillion - is that enough?
297 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:06:38pm |
re: #281 Wendya
For home defense? I'd go with a 20 gauge shotgun. Less recoil and easy to use. My 79 year old mother has no problem handling one and it has sufficient stopping power (depending on load) within a home.
Great advice for home use- especially in apartments or in town in general... someone upthread already mentioned going through walls.
299 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:07:27pm |
re: #97 paradox42
The Islamic Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art has some beautiful pieces in it. Other than that I'm drawing a blank.
Let's try this exercise with the Hindus, now.
300 | Elcid Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:07:59pm |
re: #112 Afrocity
Evening lizards.
Afrocity saw want went on in Alabama today.
Afrocity is now ARMED.
And lovely arms, they are. Grab a good bud and go out and practice, if you've never fired a shotgun. Skeet shooting if you are able...good for reactions of "things" coming from any direction.
Once you are comfy with it, know that the racking sound of a shotgun has stopped many a fool, without firing...but as mentioned earlier..be ready to pull the trigger.
301 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:08:17pm |
re: #279 Mad Mullah
I agree that episode is best forgotten, and so is the holding hands like gay lovers. However, maybe it's just me, but I see a huge symbolic difference between those episodes and the Obama bow, especially when taking Obama's roots and his associations into consideration.
Creationist Muslims will interpret all of Obama's actions in the middle east as a sign that Obama is a good muslim. He can only distinguish himself by setting an example of supporting Israel fully.
302 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:08:46pm |
re: #277 kansas
Excellent point. But I'm not Little, or Green, nor am I a Football.
Your avatar says otherwise!
I dropped off to answer an e-mail from a new facebook friend I found using the wayback machine (think 1961) from High School/Church.
I returned, and see we have a new poster named [deleted].
What did I miss?
303 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:09:09pm |
re: #293 calcajun
What happened there? You cut out on us, buddy.
I was going to mention that the recruits during WW2 had a hell of a time firing their weapons in return to hostile fire...being exposed and all...it was a real problem but improved dramatically during the VN era with full auto weapons for most troops...
304 | WhiteRasta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:09:23pm |
305 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:09:51pm |
So what the heck does the Obama bow story have to do with "Hispanic Business", anyway?
Odd.
306 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:09:59pm |
re: #290 jcm
I've been through LE training including shoot no-shoot sims. In lieu of tons of training, one can think through everyday situations. If I'm sitting in McD's and a gunmen comes in what will I do? You can mind game a lot of scenarios that way.
Also be dead certain of the local self defense laws, when and when you can't use lethal force.
I know it. They are different everywhere. Growing up in NOLA, the rule was it was OK if they were still in the house--and the NOPD would help you drag them back in, too. Texas has its "Castle" laws. Again, there is they way I think I'd like to react, and then there are natural instincts. Unless I take a combat shooting course--and I'd like to--I am not sure of how I would react.
308 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:10:06pm |
re: #294 albusteve
why are you so hostile?
I am not hostile, I am trying to be protective... do what you gotta do, just don't leave a big long trail of stuff that can be use against you behind. Does that make sense?
309 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:10:08pm |
Hey Lizards! It's still cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. The snow from last night did melt.
I've been ponding this Saudi Oil conundrum for awhile. I don't really like to see the leaders of the West bowing to anyone. As far as I am concerned there is no human to whom I'd subject myself to in that manner (well at least not in the last 2000 years). Ok, maybe the Pope or one of my parents in an extreme circumstance.
Anyway, the fact is that because of "demon" oil, the West has been able to raise the standard of living for EVERYONE. What would happen if we suddenly had no oil? This is a list of products which are made affordable and in mass quanitites because of crude oil.
Would I like to see us depleting our own reserves? Why not use up the ME oil first? I know that sounds horrible, but WTF. We create the technology, we do the work. The Saudi's couldn't get oil from the ground without us (or another developed country albiet)
In the end, we are not going to live without crude oil and maintain the level of peace and prosperity we want. This is not Heaven, it is Earth. We have to make choices.
310 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:10:39pm |
re: #305 Occasional Reader
...And it's the most popular story on their site. Odd.
312 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:10:50pm |
re: #304 WhiteRasta
Here is a bad-ass all
AmericanIsraeli pistol:[Link: www.magnumresearch.com...]
Not for small hands.
FIFY
313 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:11:05pm |
re: #253 Mad Mullah
Kissing Saudi ass is kissing Saudi ass. Whether it's done sitting, standing, or spinning in a circle, it's still kissing ass.
315 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:11:41pm |
re: #240 Afrocity
A FOID application can be downloaded from the Illinois State Police website at [Link: www.isp.state.il.us...] or applications may be obtained at most retail stores where firearms are sold.
I am of the opinion that everyone in Illiniois should get one. Whether you shoot, or a gun or not. The more out there, the more difficult to for the tyrants to confiscate.
316 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:11:59pm |
re: #302 jwb7605
Your avatar says otherwise!
I dropped off to answer an e-mail from a new facebook friend I found using the wayback machine (think 1961) from High School/Church.
I returned, and see we have a new poster named [deleted].What did I miss?
One of us made a comment about a weapon they have, and how they would use it if necessary. Someone else felt that comment could be used against them should they actually have to use it. Premeditated or something like that. The comment was removed. It really wasn't that bad.
317 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:12:14pm |
re: #305 Occasional Reader
So what the heck does the Obama bow story have to do with "Hispanic Business", anyway?
Odd.
I think they just don't expect a 'conservative' to be sane. It's like a two-headed cat to them. An oddity.
319 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:12:26pm |
re: #273 brookly red
OK, let's say some one was to shoot and wound an intruder, are you with me? the intruder then sues and their lawyer produces a blog thread "suggesting" that the party of the first part was in some way "looking forward" to shooting someone (like their client) are you with me? and in the case of an illegal, "depriving them of their rights" ... talk all you want, but my advise is STFU.
Not to mention numerous mentions by said poster of current and "recommended lifetime use" of xanax", current use of ambien, diagnosed anxiety disorder, reference to freaking out on numerous occasions (including thinking 'kkk person was at the door, leaving a bus because someone was staring, etc etc), all attesting to prior frame and state of mind ....combined with an avatar that supposedly reveals true identity of said poster.
Not a good situation all the way around.
320 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:12:29pm |
re: #296 Spare O'Lake
You have score some of that "fake" paypal money that has hit the black market. But don't tell anyone else, ok?
321 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:12:47pm |
re: #308 brookly red
I am not hostile, I am trying to be protective... do what you gotta do, just don't leave a big long trail of stuff that can be use against you behind. Does that make sense?
telling people to STFU seems hostile to me...whatever
322 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:12:58pm |
I forgot in my rantings:
How are you-all this evening and what are we talking about?
:0
323 | Killian Bundy Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:06pm |
Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system, according to current and former national-security officials.
The spies came from China, Russia and other countries, these officials said, and were believed to be on a mission to navigate the U.S. electrical system and its controls. The intruders haven't sought to damage the power grid or other key infrastructure, but officials warned they could try during a crisis or war.
"The Chinese have attempted to map our infrastructure, such as the electrical grid," said a senior intelligence official. "So have the Russians."
The espionage appeared pervasive across the U.S. and doesn't target a particular company or region, said a former Department of Homeland Security official. "There are intrusions, and they are growing," the former official said, referring to electrical systems. "There were a lot last year."
Many of the intrusions were detected not by the companies in charge of the infrastructure but by U.S. intelligence agencies, officials said. Intelligence officials worry about cyber attackers taking control of electrical facilities, a nuclear power plant or financial networks via the Internet.
Authorities investigating the intrusions have found software tools left behind that could be used to destroy infrastructure components, the senior intelligence official said. He added, "If we go to war with them, they will try to turn them on."
/so, will they turn it off before Obama makes it too expensive to afford anyway?
324 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:11pm |
re: #306 calcajun
I know it. They are different everywhere. Growing up in NOLA, the rule was it was OK if they were still in the house--and the NOPD would help you drag them back in, too. Texas has its "Castle" laws. Again, there is they way I think I'd like to react, and then there are natural instincts. Unless I take a combat shooting course--and I'd like to--I am not sure of how I would react.
That's funny.
325 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:19pm |
re: #274 ArmyWife
If people are in apartments, they should consider Glaser safety slugs - the goal is to eliminate the risk of the bad guy NOT shoot through walls and unintended targets.
I've been thinking of picking some up. But I wonder if they'll cause feeding problems in my Kimber M1911.
326 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:41pm |
re: #234 albusteve
to use a shotgun?...do they even have a course for that?
Yes, they do as a matter of fact.
327 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:52pm |
re: #321 albusteve
I'm inclined to think brookly red has a point.
328 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:13:58pm |
re: #323 Killian Bundy
This may have negative consequences for all those electric cars we are apparently clamoring to get.
329 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:17pm |
re: #303 albusteve
I was going to mention that the recruits during WW2 had a hell of a time firing their weapons in return to hostile fire...being exposed and all...it was a real problem but improved dramatically during the VN era with full auto weapons for most troops...
The SLA Marshall article I read years ago was an eye-opener; 4 of every 7 combat vets in WWII discharged their weapons--the others thought that semi-auto fire was useless. That's why the M-1 gave way to the M-14 and then the M-16. What they found now is most effective--and what the M-16 has designed into it now--is the three round burst feature.
331 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:25pm |
Give me a fucking break.
Everyone is so wrapped up with trying to not have ODS that they are digging up everything that Bush did also. Who gives a shit? All POTUS's are in bed with the oil tycoons. GET OVER IT! Why aren't we paying attention to the defense slash and the ACORN raise? Jesus Christ almighty!
332 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:27pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
We are a nation founded, if we be founded on any religious values at all, on Christian, heck, PROTESTANT values.
The "Judeo-" refers strictly to what Protestant Christians chose to take from Christianity's historical base in Judaism. It falsely implies an inclusion of living Jews and their values in the founding of the country.
I ain't saying we Yidden didn't have good luck with the U.S., because we surely did, but 'Judeo-Christian' suggests something about the founding of the nation that is not true.
G-d bless you, SFZionist; but Protestantism was founded by people who replaced a lot of Catholic tradition with readings of the Old Testament, and input from Judaism. For instance, Luther's Bible went back to the Hebrew, and whatever was not found there got relegated to "Apocrypha". Luther actually thought that making all these concessions would incite Jews to switch over (it didn't work, but that's another issue).
I think that "Judaeo-Christian reactionary" is a fairly good approximation of Protestantism... especially some of the mainline churches these days, which are playing down the doctrine of Trinity. (I am NOT saying, here, which of these faiths is "true"! So please have mercy...)
333 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:35pm |
re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist
By that standard, the Kaaba provided a model for any cube-shaped thing.
They ripped it off from the Borg, anyway.
(Um, I think buzzsaw was being sarcastic.)
334 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:43pm |
re: #259 Aviator
The only problem is .380 ammunition is very hard to find right now.
Really... Why?
I was thinking of taking my PPK to the range this weekend.
335 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:48pm |
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
336 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:52pm |
re: #325 Occasional Reader
I don't know enough to answer that. Wish I was home. Mr. ArmyWife is a gun guru and would have some story to go with his answer.
337 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:14:55pm |
I'm waiting for a Phasor. Is it set to stun or not?
338 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:03pm |
re: #325 Occasional Reader
I've been thinking of picking some up. But I wonder if they'll cause feeding problems in my Kimber M1911.
Nope.
I also have some hollow points and snake load, all frangible rounds that won't go through the walls. I've never had the slightest problem with them, either in my Kimber or my little Ruger.
339 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:08pm |
So lowering your head to have a medal placed around your neck is the equivalent to a deep waist bow as a subject bows to a Sovereign? They are equivalent? The same thing? Connoting the same thing? Really? allrighty then... If anybody finds a video of Bush or any other President bowing as part of his formal greeting please post a link.
340 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:10pm |
re: #319 pink freud
Not to mention numerous mentions by said poster of current and "recommended lifetime use" of xanax", current use of ambien, diagnosed anxiety disorder, reference to freaking out on numerous occasions (including thinking 'kkk person was at the door, leaving a bus because someone was staring, etc etc), all attesting to prior frame and state of mind ....combined with an avatar that supposedly reveals true identity of said poster.
Not a good situation all the way around.
I agree but it seems people can post whatever they want until they get deleted or yanked...who knows what people will say, that's their business
341 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:31pm |
342 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:37pm |
Wow, it's a gun thread in the middle of a multi-sided food fight... cool!
343 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:48pm |
re: #211 Zimriel
John Derbyshire has a book "Unknown Quantity" about that. And yeah, it was taken over from the Greeks.
Islam as a religion didn't contribute one thing to the sum of human achievement. It has given us no knowledge of the universe that couldn't have been found through science, and it was a net loss as to our moral and ethical development as compared with Augustine and the Talmud (unless, VERY arguably, you were an Arab bandit pagan). Arabs who happened to live under Islamic rule, and various people who happened to be Muslim, did contribute; but for every one Avicenna, there were ten Ghazalis out to declare him a heretic.
But if Jews get to count Salk, surely Muslims get to count Avicena. Medieval Islam did produce great scholars and artists.
And the Talmud's importance to world civilization is actually pretty minimal, except for its use as a wealth of cutesy, out-of-context quotes for anthology of cutesy out-of-context quotes. I say this as someone with enormous reverence for the text, I just don't see it having much impact outside the Jewish world.
344 | nyc redneck Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:15:53pm |
what is comes down to for me, is not the deep humiliating full on bow vs the head nod to get a medal, it is the person paying doing the act.
i trust pres. bush despite his show of respect to the saudi king, to ultimately
put america first. and he has.
o has done nothing but dump on america and belittle us. this is the face of his
pandering to islam. anything that he does that shows his allegiance to the enemy
just makes me trust him less.
and of course i will focus on it. because it is just another display of his
being enamored of the enemy.
how much more do we need than his flouncing up and dropping over from the waist, when he wasn't receiving a medal, when he wasn't introduced formally,
when he could have just shook the guys hand.
345 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:08pm |
re: #331 NYCHardhat
Give me a fucking break.
Everyone is so wrapped up with trying to not have ODS that they are digging up everything that Bush did also. Who gives a shit? All POTUS's are in bed with the oil tycoons. GET OVER IT! Why aren't we paying attention to the defense slash and the ACORN raise? Jesus Christ almighty!
Herbal tea is good for stress, or so I've heard.
347 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:11pm |
Afrocity, my nick is blue, please email me.
348 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:13pm |
349 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:29pm |
re: #335 Charles
now THAT is something to frame for prosperity. What in the heck could be better than being mentioned in Playboy, I ask you?
350 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:53pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
This is huge. Playboy! I'm thinking playmates are reading this thread right now. I need to clean up my act.
351 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:16:58pm |
re: #345 Irish Rose
Herbal tea is good for stress, or so I've heard.
Thank you Rose. I will stay with my Irish whiskey. ;)
352 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:11pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
Charles reads Playboy! *snicker*
/kidding, I know you just read it for the articles
353 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:13pm |
re: #318 WhiteRasta
Israeli? No shit?
I confirm my absence of shit. Israeli Defense Industries. Kind of an impractical pistol, IMHO. (Ammo is also crazy expensive, so I'm told.)
354 | stuiec Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:15pm |
re: #94 Charles
Obviously, you don't understand my point, because I haven't posted a single word that "absolves" Obama. In fact, I've made it very clear that I'm disgusted by every American president who kowtows to the religious apartheid kingdom.
And that means EVERY American president, because they all have, and until we get serious about alternative energy sources it's going to continue.
It would help if Congress and the President would permit more domestic fossil fuel exploration and production, onshore and offshore, while we engage in the transition. It would also help if we started building more nuclear power generating stations right away.
What are the odds of those things happening?
(On a related note, I hope that Israel's apparent discovery of a large offshore natural gas field is real. It would help in so many dimensions of geopolitics.)
355 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:30pm |
re: #325 Occasional Reader
I've been thinking of picking some up. But I wonder if they'll cause feeding problems in my Kimber M1911.
What are these again? I live in an apartment.
356 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:35pm |
re: #349 ArmyWife
now THAT is something to frame for prosperity. What in the heck could be better than being mentioned in Playboy, I ask you?
Getting the centerfold?
357 | summergurl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:17:45pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
I would say prepare for the onslaught of visitors but then again I doubt anyone reads that mag, more like gazes at it.
359 | solomonpanting Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:07pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
We are a nation founded, if we be founded on any religious values at all, on Christian, heck, PROTESTANT values.
The "Judeo-" refers strictly to what Protestant Christians chose to take from Christianity's historical base in Judaism. It falsely implies an inclusion of living Jews and their values in the founding of the country.
I ain't saying we Yidden didn't have good luck with the U.S., because we surely did, but 'Judeo-Christian' suggests something about the founding of the nation that is not true.
You may be interested in a different perspective.
360 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:14pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
Charles, that's an article.
Oh, wait...
361 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:14pm |
re: #317 Charles
I think they just don't expect a 'conservative' to be sane. It's like a two-headed cat to them. An oddity.
Um... I *do* hope you're not qualifying all those of us who respectfully disagree with you on the Obama bow thing as "insane".
362 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:14pm |
re: #319 pink freud
Not to mention numerous mentions by said poster of current and "recommended lifetime use" of xanax", current use of ambien, diagnosed anxiety disorder, reference to freaking out on numerous occasions (including thinking 'kkk person was at the door, leaving a bus because someone was staring, etc etc), all attesting to prior frame and state of mind ....combined with an avatar that supposedly reveals true identity of said poster.
Not a good situation all the way around.
Yeah, I would not say on one post that I had PTSD and on the next that I bought a shotgun that wasn't registered yet, but hey some folks just don't get it.
363 | gmsc Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:19pm |
re: #352 Irish Rose
/kidding, I know you just read it for the articles
NSFW joke:
I read Playboy just for the articles. I have to, all the other pages are stuck together!
364 | irongrampa Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:29pm |
re: #281 Wendya
Absolutely. Even #6 shot at 6-9 feet is more than sufficient.
365 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:31pm |
re: #258 kansas
Well, neither actually, but the ad did not mention any requirements.
They might want to work on that.
366 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:40pm |
Oh, with Playboy on our side, does that mean the male posters here can haz free boobies? WANT
367 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:46pm |
re: #346 Afrocity
Thanks to Iron Fist I had the confidence. I was told that it was bad to have one. My dad was not happy with me but then again he can't have one because he has been in jail for murder. I feel okay about it. It is my constitutional right. I feel safer.
How do you feel about concealed carry laws? In Texas, personal crime (rape, muggings etc.) have all dropped dramatically since the concealed carry law went into effect. And, there has not been a spate of shootings either. Funny, gun owners acting responsibly. Who would have thunk it.
368 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:18:57pm |
re: #340 albusteve
I agree but it seems people can post whatever they want until they get deleted or yanked...who knows what people will say, that's their business
Sure, anyone can post anything. Brooklyn red's point was that certain information - posted on a public blog - can be used against that person.
As for it being their business ....yes, it is theirs and everyone who is reading, which is the reason the person posts it in the first place ...to make it everyone's business (else, why post the info at all?)
369 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:05pm |
re: #329 calcajun
The SLA Marshall article I read years ago was an eye-opener; 4 of every 7 combat vets in WWII discharged their weapons--the others thought that semi-auto fire was useless. That's why the M-1 gave way to the M-14 and then the M-16. What they found now is most effective--and what the M-16 has designed into it now--is the three round burst feature.
good summary....that's what I was referring to but was anecdotal more or less
370 | Kreuzueber Halbmond Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:13pm |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
We are a nation founded, if we be founded on any religious values at all, on Christian, heck, PROTESTANT values.
The "Judeo-" refers strictly to what Protestant Christians chose to take from Christianity's historical base in Judaism. It falsely implies an inclusion of living Jews and their values in the founding of the country.
I ain't saying we Yidden didn't have good luck with the U.S., because we surely did, but 'Judeo-Christian' suggests something about the founding of the nation that is not true.
Moses > Jesus > Western Civilization > Enlightenment > USA. Break the chain and you don't get here and you don't go anywhere.
371 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:20pm |
re: #356 kansas
I'm thinking that Charles isn't exactly the normal centerfold. Unless they've taken a new approach and are widening their target audience to hetero females and gay males.
372 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:30pm |
re: #319 pink freud
Not to mention numerous mentions by said poster of current and "recommended lifetime use" of xanax", current use of ambien, diagnosed anxiety disorder, reference to freaking out on numerous occasions (including thinking 'kkk person was at the door, leaving a bus because someone was staring, etc etc), all attesting to prior frame and state of mind ....combined with an avatar that supposedly reveals true identity of said poster.
Not a good situation all the way around.
If any of it's even real.
373 | The Shadow Do Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:33pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Some time ago I bought my quite petite wife a very nice Charter Arms .22LR revolver thinking it would fit her just so and be perfect for self defense. Wrong. Pop, pop, pop - could not hit a target. Then she picked up my SW .357mag with a 5" barrel and proceeded to knock the heart out of every target she was presented - and she was not a shooter! She did not like the lightweight, easy to handle gun as it turned out. Go to a range and shoot all kinds of stuff. You never know.
374 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:42pm |
375 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:47pm |
re: #325 Occasional Reader
I've been thinking of picking some up. But I wonder if they'll cause feeding problems in my Kimber M1911.
I tried them on the range with a Kimber 1911 and didn't have any misfeeds. Kimber makes a very good pistol and I've fed a wide variety of ammo including a magazine of really dirty wolf through it with no problems.
376 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:19:48pm |
re: #267 Zimriel
I have to say, they really should know better than to advertise here. That would be like running an ad for CatholicMatch.com at Jack Chick's site...
It may be automated. We say "Muslim" a certain number of times, and the machine gives us an ad.
378 | summergurl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:20:18pm |
re: #358 Zimriel
I wish we had the Lounge back.
@#$%!
For God's sake man - don't go there!
Distract yourself with a donut or something.
379 | rawmuse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:20:24pm |
re: #224 kansas
The Jews gave us Don Rickles, for which I am grateful.
380 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:20:27pm |
This shithead already has term two in his pocket if he keeps distracting us from the bigger things going on.
382 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:20:41pm |
re: #355 Afrocity
What are these again? I live in an apartment.
Basically, instead of a solid bullet, it's a cluster of pellets suspended in liquid Teflon. TREMENDOUS stopping power, as long as the bad guy is not wearing body armor; and tends not to blow through the bad guy and pierce walls and such.
383 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:20:46pm |
re: #335 Charles
LGF getting mentioned in Playboy? Smoking Jacket Media..
385 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:21:23pm |
387 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:21:31pm |
re: #380 NYCHardhat
This shithead already has term two in his pocket if he keeps distracting us from the bigger things going on.
So why are folks on the right insisting on playing along?
388 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:21:36pm |
re: #362 brookly red
Yeah, I would not say on one post that I had PTSD and on the next that I bought a shotgun that wasn't registered yet, but hey some folks just don't get it.
PLUS having a father with a murder conviction who was just over for a visit. This gets stranger and stranger.
389 | NonNativeTexan Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:21:42pm |
390 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:07pm |
re: #373 The Shadow Do
Some time ago I bought my quite petite wife a very nice Charter Arms .22LR revolver thinking it would fit her just so and be perfect for self defense. Wrong. Pop, pop, pop - could not hit a target. Then she picked up my SW .357mag with a 5" barrel and proceeded to knock the heart out of every target she was presented - and she was not a shooter! She did not like the lightweight, easy to handle gun as it turned out. Go to a range and shoot all kinds of stuff. You never know.
She's like my wife. First time out with my .45, she puts three in the head and six in the chest at 30 feet. She did that three more times. Now, if there's a bump in the night, she's the family's first responder.
391 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:08pm |
re: #363 gmsc
I'm one of those types who subscribed to Playboy despite the articles. I let my subscription expire when they characterized domestic terrorist Rod Coronado as a "speaking troof to power" type that was having his rights trampled on by "Da Man"
392 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:20pm |
re: #363 gmsc
NSFW joke:
I read Playboy just for the articles. I have to, all the other pages are stuck together!
I am glad you are feeling better, gmsc. The dead thread missed you. :-)
393 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:35pm |
re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth
Kissing Saudi ass is kissing Saudi ass. Whether it's done sitting, standing, or spinning in a circle, it's still kissing ass.
But if you can spin in a circle without moving your grounded foot, you may be a Sufi master.
I don't think they kiss much Saudi ass, though. Are there Sufis in Saudi? They don't seem like folks the Saudis would have much patience for.
394 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:36pm |
re: #387 Sharmuta
So why are folks on the right insisting on playing along?
I don't know. You tell me. Why are we focusing on a fucking "bow" and trying to equate Bush with this turd.
395 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:22:36pm |
re: #370 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Moses > Jesus > Western Civilization > Enlightenment > USA. Break the chain and you don't get here and you don't go anywhere.
I'd replace "Western Civilization" with the more specific "Monks" > "Universities". (I don't count the Renaissance as Christian.)
397 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:23:07pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
From your link:
Little Green Footballs managed to turn up some video of Bush making the same bow....
Can we agree on one thing, please?
No, it was not "the same bow".
Leaving all other questions/issues aside for the moment:
It was not "the same bow". Even if a... erm... Playboy blogger says so.
398 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:23:18pm |
re: #394 NYCHardhat
I don't know. You tell me. Why are we focusing on a fucking "bow" and trying to equate Bush with this turd.
It's less painful than the reality of what is happening to us?
399 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:23:45pm |
re: #368 pink freud
Sure, anyone can post anything. Brooklyn red's point was that certain information - posted on a public blog - can be used against that person.
As for it being their business ....yes, it is theirs and everyone who is reading, which is the reason the person posts it in the first place ...to make it everyone's business (else, why post the info at all?)
don't know...I must have led with my chin...I understand the point perfectly but as for myself I'm very reluctant to tell others what to post...no big deal...I think some people here are way to explicit with their private affairs
400 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:23:47pm |
re: #388 pink freud
Can you shoot me a personal email? My address book isn't set up on this laptop yet (in my temporary abode).
402 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:23:57pm |
Speaking of Hef, here he is in a Weezer video. Just don't bring too many dudes..
Beverly Hills
403 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:24:19pm |
re: #398 kansas
It's less painful than the reality of what is happening to us?
I guess I will be purchasing that AR-15.
404 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:24:41pm |
re: #375 Wendya
I tried them on the range with a Kimber 1911 and didn't have any misfeeds. Kimber makes a very good pistol and I've fed a wide variety of ammo including a magazine of really dirty wolf through it with no problems.
I love learnin' me some new stuff. What is "wolf"?
405 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:24:49pm |
re: #361 Occasional Reader
Um... I *do* hope you're not qualifying all those of us who respectfully disagree with you on the Obama bow thing as "insane".
No, not at all! Some are insane, it's true. (See: Pamela Geller.)
Others are just wrong.
407 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:25:47pm |
re: #404 Occasional Reader
I love learnin' me some new stuff. What is "wolf"?
Steel ammo. Inexpensive for the most part.
408 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:25:57pm |
re: #71 kansas
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
Yes. Without it we wouldn't have that snappy Marine anthem..."From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli"....
Case rested.
409 | gmsc Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:09pm |
re: #392 pink freud
I am glad you are feeling better, gmsc. The dead thread missed you. :-)
Thanks!
Wait . . . the dead thread? What's Jerry Garcia's band up to now?
410 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:32pm |
I'm actually pissed they qualified your claim to fame as uncovering a "reporting flub" by 60 minutes.
Turbo tax flubs, Bone headed flubs, what the flub?
411 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:38pm |
re: #388 pink freud
PLUS having a father with a murder conviction who was just over for a visit. This gets stranger and stranger.
you have the right to remain silent... if you give up this right...
414 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:43pm |
re: #332 Zimriel
G-d bless you, SFZionist; but Protestantism was founded by people who replaced a lot of Catholic tradition with readings of the Old Testament, and input from Judaism. For instance, Luther's Bible went back to the Hebrew, and whatever was not found there got relegated to "Apocrypha". Luther actually thought that making all these concessions would incite Jews to switch over (it didn't work, but that's another issue).
And Luther got mean and vengeful when his PR plan failed him, but yes, another issue. ;)
I don't deny the historical/textual connection at all, at least as regards the Tanach, but the fact is, historical Judaism since the beginning of the rabbinic era plays practically no role in Christian theology or consciousness.
I'll have rachmones--I just get crabby about 'Judeo-Christian' as a phrase. It puts an implied pressure on Judaism to be the kind of Judaism Christians envision. IMHO. So I tend to ask 'what does that mean'?
415 | kansas Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:43pm |
re: #408 coquimbojoe
Yes. Without it we wouldn't have that snappy Marine anthem..."From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli"....
Case rested.
Golf applause.
416 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:44pm |
re: #405 Charles
No, not at all! Some are insane, it's true. (See: Pamela Geller.)
Others are just wrong.
But can we be insanely wrong?
417 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:26:49pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
Oh my goodness, I saw naked shoulders.
418 | wiffersnapper Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:27:01pm |
Dang, people are discovering (albeit too late) that brains are for thinking, not spoonfeeding!
419 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:27:20pm |
re: #406 Afrocity
Don't worry Sharmuta. I have decided that it wouldn't have shit to do with it's life if it were not sweating me./
Arrogant. I like that.
420 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:27:22pm |
re: #333 Occasional Reader
They ripped it off from the Borg, anyway.
(Um, I think buzzsaw was being sarcastic.)
Oh, I assumed so. Just being silly.
422 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:27:50pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
Grab some paper out of your printer and fan yourself STAT. We can't have you all hot and bothered and such.
423 | stuiec Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:27:57pm |
re: #309 ggt
In the end, we are not going to live without crude oil and maintain the level of peace and prosperity we want. This is not Heaven, it is Earth. We have to make choices.
I'm pretty sure we'll be able to replace "rock oil" in our economy the same way we replaced whale oil. There's enough energy arriving on Earth from the Sun, or moving around the Earth with the gravitational pull of the Moon, or escaping as heat from the Earth's mantle, or emanating from the radioactive decay of the crust, that humankind can exist indefinitely without having to rely on the "fossilized sunshine" in oil and gas.
That said, there would be no reason to hurry to switch over from oil in a crash program -- but for the geopolitics of oil and the fact that American domestic production of oil and gas is off-limits in so many places where oil and gas happen to be.
424 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:28:12pm |
425 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:28:14pm |
426 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:28:57pm |
427 | gmsc Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:29:07pm |
re: #71 kansas
Yes, and can anyone name one positive thing Islam has done for America?
You know what Islam has contributed to modern society? Zero! (Literally.)
428 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:29:23pm |
re: #399 albusteve
don't know...I must have led with my chin...I understand the point perfectly but as for myself I'm very reluctant to tell others what to post...no big deal...I think some people here are way to explicit with their private affairs
Absolutely no disagreement with that last, albusteve.
429 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:29:24pm |
re: #352 Irish Rose
Charles reads Playboy! *snicker*
/kidding, I know you just read it for the articles
I read it for the articles.
After my husband has read it for the naked ladies.
We get maximum use out of the magazine that way.
430 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:29:25pm |
Wolf ammo comment thread:
[Link: www.gunandgame.com...]
431 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:29:33pm |
re: #426 Afrocity
You said it my fellow Daily Kos hate list maker.
LMAO. I do feel like I walk with a swagger now.
432 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:30:38pm |
433 | Mithrax Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:30:55pm |
re: #432 Occasional Reader
But that's not important right now...
-Airplane!
And don't call me Shirley!
435 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:13pm |
re: #432 Occasional Reader
But that's not important right now...
-Airplane!
I developed a drinking problem....
Airplane!
437 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:37pm |
re: #316 kansas
One of us made a comment about a weapon they have, and how they would use it if necessary. Someone else felt that comment could be used against them should they actually have to use it. Premeditated or something like that. The comment was removed. It really wasn't that bad.
My wife asked me if I had my black powder rifle registered.
I told her I was unaware that I needed to register it. I built it from parts.
Then I said "If we ever got in a situation where I needed my black powder rifle to defend this place, what fucking difference would it make, anyway?"
She doesn't disagree with the logic.
438 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:40pm |
This really shouldn't cause much of a stir. It's a shame that more bloggers on the right aren't more honest about it. Many of them complained when Bush kissed the Saudis asses but now they pretend it never happened.
439 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:48pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
All bodily functions under control now?
440 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:53pm |
re: #406 Afrocity
Don't worry Sharmuta. I have decided that it wouldn't have shit to do with it's life if it were not sweating me./
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
441 | David Simon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:53pm |
re: #335 Charles
Playboy Magazine's blogger is also flabbergasted:
[Link: www.playboy.com...]
From your link:
The right-wing blogosphere seems determined to prove its intellectual vacuity on a daily basis
Huh? The dude writes for Playboy. A certain glass house aphorism comes to mind...
442 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:53pm |
re: #424 NYCHardhat
The Hand Cannon
Well, yes.
I love both of mine.
And no, I have never attempted two-gun mojo.
443 | dapperdave Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:31:57pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
Me too...I've got to take my nitro pills./
444 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:32:45pm |
re: #423 stuiec
I'm pretty sure we'll be able to replace "rock oil" in our economy the same way we replaced whale oil. There's enough energy arriving on Earth from the Sun, or moving around the Earth with the gravitational pull of the Moon, or escaping as heat from the Earth's mantle, or emanating from the radioactive decay of the crust, that humankind can exist indefinitely without having to rely on the "fossilized sunshine" in oil and gas.
That said, there would be no reason to hurry to switch over from oil in a crash program -- but for the geopolitics of oil and the fact that American domestic production of oil and gas is off-limits in so many places where oil and gas happen to be.
Can the energy from the Sun produce the tangible products we rely on every day? This is about a lot more than energy. Sure, we can find subsitutes for plastics etc, but will they be affordable in the quanitity we need them.
445 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:33:12pm |
re: #423 stuiec
We don't need to totally get out of it. Just enough to create a glut in the market.
446 | SteveC Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:33:29pm |
re: #440 Charles
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
This is the XO. Launch the Vipers.
447 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:33:47pm |
re: #440 Charles
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
sorry i will be good.
448 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:33:53pm |
re: #443 dapperdave
Me too...I've got to take my nitro pills./
Hell, I'm gonna have some pop, with real sugar.
449 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:34:16pm |
re: #440 Charles
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
WTF?
450 | okiej Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:34:36pm |
re: #231 Irish Rose
Speaking of guns, my fiance wants to buy me a nice little handgun to keep in the house, and we're going to do some shopping this weekend.
I have small hands and need something that is lightweight and easy to handle... what do you all suggest?
Ruger LCP
[Link: www.ruger.com...]
or,
Ruger LCR
[Link: www.ruger.com...]
451 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:34:37pm |
re: #442 Dianna
Well, yes.
I love both of mine.
And no, I have never attempted two-gun mojo.
You are badass.
452 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:34:51pm |
re: #440 Charles
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
I'm totally creeped out dude
453 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:34:56pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
This really shouldn't cause much of a stir. It's a shame that more bloggers on the right aren't more honest about it. Many of them complained when Bush kissed the Saudis asses but now they pretend it never happened.
Which is an absolute own goal from those right-wing bloggers.
Those bloggers could have quite credibly linked their old posts bashing Bush, then cited Moore, then made some snark about Obama's "Change!1" and finally (having made their point) registered their disgust. No-one here would have noticed, except to link to them and say "what they said".
:facepalms:
454 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:10pm |
re: #370 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Moses > Jesus > Western Civilization > Enlightenment > USA. Break the chain and you don't get here and you don't go anywhere.
Moses>Yehuda ha-Nasi>Gamliel>Rabbenu Gershenon>Haskalah--break that chain and you don't get here either, but it's also a different chain.
I'm not arguing against a deep historical connection between Christianity and it's Jewish roots. Just clarifying that Moses' importance to Christianity does NOT mean that post-Mosaic Jews were accorded an even vaguely equal cultural and theological input into the founding of what are now sometimes called 'Judeo-Christian values".
455 | gmsc Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:20pm |
re: #432 Occasional Reader
But that's not important right now...
-Airplane!
re: #435 NYCHardhat
I developed a drinking problem....
Airplane!
Trivia Time: What was the name of the actor who played the guy who got into Stryker's cab in the beginning of the movie, and was still in the cab with the meter running at the end of the movie?
Hint: He's more known for his work in politics than his acting roles (Airplane was the only movie this man was ever in).
456 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:25pm |
re: #355 Afrocity
What are these again? I live in an apartment.
They're fragmenting rounds. They break up when they hit a wall, so they don't go through and hurt people on the other side. If Chicago's handgun ban were repealed, such rounds in a docile caliber might be a good home defense system for you.
457 | SteveC Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:37pm |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
Hell, I'm gonna have some pop, with real sugar.
I saw cases and cases of Mexican Coca-Cola in a warehouse store today! Do they still have real sugar as an ingredient?
458 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:45pm |
re: #451 NYCHardhat
You are badass.
No, I'd be badass if I claimed to be good at two-gun mojo! I'm just a woman who shoots .45.
Though it's always cute at the range.
459 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:35:48pm |
re: #452 albusteve
I'm totally creeped out dude
Seconded.
Too much similarity with recent events elsewhere, and I would not want that associated with LGF.
460 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:36:00pm |
re: #242 jaunte
This Ruger LCP has been recommended for small hands:
[Link: www.ruger-firearms.com...]
Hubby has this Ruger revolver.
It's old, it's big and it's heavy.
And it will hit whatever it is generally pointed at; no need for a great deal of accuracy. Might be good in a situation that has you shaking in your boots.
461 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:36:02pm |
re: #404 Occasional Reader
I love learnin' me some new stuff. What is "wolf"?
Russian made ammo. It's a steel cased bullet that has a coating over it that would leave a residue in your firearm. They've replaced the formula with something that is a little cleaner now. I buy it because I'm not a reloader and it's cheap(er). I ran it though everything but one Taurus that would misfeed every round.
462 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:36:35pm |
re: #458 Dianna
No, I'd be badass if I claimed to be good at two-gun mojo! I'm just a woman who shoots .45.
Though it's always cute at the range.
Bold part equals badass in my book.
463 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:36:41pm |
re: #455 gmsc
Trivia Time: What was the name of the actor who played the guy who got into Stryker's cab in the beginning of the movie, and was still in the cab with the meter running at the end of the movie?
Hint: He's more known for his work in politics than his acting roles (Airplane was the only movie this man was ever in).
Howard Jarvis of Prop. 19 fame.
464 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:37:04pm |
re: #459 jwb7605
Seconded.
Too much similarity with recent events elsewhere, and I would not want that associated with LGF.
I wish I hadn't have said that tho...oh well
465 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:37:06pm |
Afro - did you say your purchased this shotgun today? Because of an incident that happened today?
467 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:37:57pm |
re: #460 reine.de.tout
My dad has a Spanish knockoff of that, I think. Heavy is right.
468 | SecretInternetDoucheBag Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:38:00pm |
Lowering your head to take a medal and bowing when you meet someone are two different things. Combine this shit with the "we are not a christian nation" bullshit and Obama can kiss my fuckin ass.
469 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:38:28pm |
re: #464 albusteve
I wish I hadn't have said that tho...oh well
It was either you or me, so now it's both. It's the right thing to worry about.
471 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:38:54pm |
re: #462 NYCHardhat
Bold part equals badass in my book.
Cute as hell online, too, IMO. I'm a fan. :-)
472 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:38:57pm |
re: #468 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Lowering your head to take a medal and bowing when you meet someone are two different things. Combine this shit with the "we are not a christian nation" bullshit and Obama can kiss my fuckin ass.
We aren't a Christian nation.
473 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:38:57pm |
re: #453 Zimriel
Which is an absolute own goal from those right-wing bloggers.
Those bloggers could have quite credibly linked their old posts bashing Bush, then cited Moore, then made some snark about Obama's "Change!1" and finally (having made their point) registered their disgust. No-one here would have noticed, except to link to them and say "what they said".
:facepalms:
there is a general resistance to reality these days...there are gutters on all sides of the path you know?..wtf ever happened to brute honesty?
475 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:39:40pm |
I just think it's more than a little odd that someone would post this kind of stuff in a thread that's guaranteed to be checked out by the people I just linked to.
I'm not a big believer in coincidences, and this isn't the first time I've been seeing the red flags.
476 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:39:56pm |
re: #469 jwb7605
It was either you or me, so now it's both. It's the right thing to worry about.
OK, I must have missed something.
477 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:40:05pm |
re: #442 Dianna
Well, yes.
I love both of mine.
And no, I have never attempted two-gun mojo.
I have to admit, a guy at the range got me looking lustfully at his Wilson Combat custom piece the other day.
Hopefully Kimber didn't see me...
478 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:40:08pm |
re: #457 SteveC
I saw cases and cases of Mexican Coca-Cola in a warehouse store today! Do they still have real sugar as an ingredient?
YES. People drive truckloads over the border (illicitly), and people pay too much for them at taquerias in the Mission for that pure sugar taste.
479 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:40:24pm |
re: #473 albusteve
there is a general resistance to reality these days...there are gutters on all sides of the path you know?..wtf ever happened to brute honesty?
RACIST!
////
does that help answer your question?
481 | Afrocity Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:40:32pm |
re: #465 ArmyWife
Afro - did you say your purchased this shotgun today? Because of an incident that happened today?
It is from my uncle. Couldv'e had it months ago but felt uneasy, so I waited. Then just thought about classes. I finally committed to that and getting it. Iron posted this week said nothing was wrong and take course so I am. Honestly here (Chicago) it seems only the bad guys have them.
482 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:40:36pm |
483 | SecretInternetDoucheBag Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:41:22pm |
re: #472 Walter L. Newton
Has any President in the history of our country ever said that shit? Especially in a foreign country. Fuck em.
484 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:41:24pm |
re: #466 jwb7605
I want one!
Does that need to be registered?
Not here, that I know of.
I've never had any reason to even get the thing out, THANK GOODNESS.
I hope my life continues on that same path.
485 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:41:44pm |
486 | Mithrax Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:41:51pm |
Woot! Jays win 5-4!
Now if they can only keep up this pace in August :P
487 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:42:00pm |
488 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:42:02pm |
re: #460 reine.de.tout
Hubby has this Ruger revolver.
It's old, it's big and it's heavy.
And it will hit whatever it is generally pointed at; no need for a great deal of accuracy. Might be good in a situation that has you shaking in your boots.
That's a good revolver. And if you run out of ammo, it's heavy enough to knock someone out with.
489 | gmsc Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:42:49pm |
re: #483 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Has any President in the history of our country ever said that shit? Especially in a foreign country. Fuck em.
John Adams once signed a document to that effect.
490 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:05pm |
The two bows. Or three.
GWB kisses a guy later some bow to him while he doesn't and shakes their hand as they do. There is a cultural difference on some of this. In some of these countries it's perfectly normal for men to kiss and to hold hands. It's cultural.
I don't see a video of GWB bowing, but you know Pres. Obama would have been raked over the political coals as an arrogant bastard if he didn't bow to the Saudi's. He's in the limelight as far as protocols go, and is known not to understand them well. How many people has he offended now off handedly?
491 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:06pm |
re: #488 Wendya
That's a good revolver. And if you run out of ammo, it's heavy enough to knock someone out with.
Sorta exactly the point.
492 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:07pm |
re: #483 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Has any President in the history of our country ever said that shit? Especially in a foreign country. Fuck em.
Our own constitution says that. And Bush bowed, I don't care if it was to get the metal or get butt fucked, he bowed.
We are not a christian nation and Obama was speaking the truth.
493 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:14pm |
re: #479 jwb7605
RACIST!
////
does that help answer your question?
actually it might...or something down that road
494 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:17pm |
re: #484 reine.de.tout
Not here, that I know of.
I've never had any reason to even get the thing out, THANK GOODNESS.
I hope my life continues on that same path.
I hope so, too.
I just like antique black powder stuff.
My dad taught me to not require more than one shot.
495 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:22pm |
re: #477 Occasional Reader
I have to admit, a guy at the range got me looking lustfully at his Wilson Combat custom piece the other day.
Hopefully Kimber didn't see me...
If your personal Kimber saw you, it probably watched you with the inanimate equivalent of an indulgent smile.
496 | capitalist piglet Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:43:50pm |
I posted this on the other thread, but by the time I had confirmed it, the thread was dead.
My best friend is a Navy veteran who served on a submarine rescue ship, the U.S.S. Kittiwake. He participated in the Gulf War.
He was given a medal by the Saudis, as was everyone he served with. It is authorized to be worn on American uniforms. It was accompanied by a certificate of appreciation from the Saudi king. I've seen the medal - it's quite elaborate.
I just thought that might come as a surprise to some folks. A lot of American military personnel have medals from the Saudis, apparently.
497 | Digital Display Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:44:26pm |
re: #486 Mithrax
Woot! Jays win 5-4!
Now if they can only keep up this pace in August :P
I dinged you up..I really like that attitude!
499 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:45:11pm |
re: #475 Charles
I just think it's more than a little odd that someone would post this kind of stuff in a thread that's guaranteed to be checked out by the people I just linked to.
I'm not a big believer in coincidences, and this isn't the first time I've been seeing the red flags.
I see links all over the internet to LGF on this story. Throw them a creationist bone.
501 | Mithrax Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:45:20pm |
re: #497 HoosierHoops
I dinged you up..I really like that attitude!
As long as we can act as a spoiler to either those damn Yankees or Sox I don't care if we finish in 1st.
502 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:45:28pm |
re: #472 Walter L. Newton
We aren't a Christian nation.
Yes, we are. Christianity does not have a place in the government, and rightly so, but it does inform our nations morals and values. Such values informed the Abolitionist movement, as well most of our social reform movements. America is a Christian nation.
506 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:17pm |
Here's a weapon I'd like:
[Link: www.angelfire.com...]
507 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:26pm |
Whoa! I was about to report a nasty comment, and it vanished just as I clicked!
Magic!
BTW, I don't like seeing Thieves' talk anywhere.
508 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:32pm |
SecretInternetDoucheBag
Soooooooo. was that an alias?
//
509 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:38pm |
re: #440 Charles
I'm really beginning to wonder about this one. Stinky Beaumont is throwing red flags at me, and I've been trying to ignore them, but it's getting more difficult.
Maybe I'm missing something here.
510 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:39pm |
Were I in the mood to buy a handgun for personal defense (I am not. I have never purchased a handgun; very, very, very, very seldom carry a handgun, haven't really owned all that many handguns, and do not see at the present time a real need for me to start buying handguns.) I would look real close at the various models of handguns that fire both the .410 shotshell and the .45 long Colt cartridge.
Then I'd load a mix of .410 buckshot and .45 long Colt.
But that's just me.
511 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:44pm |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]re: #481 Afrocity
Huh. Based on this, I thought you purchased this gun as you referenced the need for a FOID.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I was curious as to how you avoided the 24 hour waiting period that Illinois requires.
512 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:48pm |
498 gets the gate. I'll go fire up the grill, its a good night for a troll roast.
513 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:46:51pm |
re: #502 Dark_Falcon
Yes, we are. Christianity does not have a place in the government, and rightly so, but it does inform our nations morals and values. Such values informed the Abolitionist movement, as well most of our social reform movements. America is a Christian nation.
No, it is not. The founding fathers specifically wrote the Constitution to avoid being identified as a "Christian nation," or as any kind of religious nation. This is extremely well documented.
514 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:04pm |
I missed it, I was right here and I missed it!
dang.
516 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:24pm |
re: #489 gmsc
John Adams once signed a document to that effect.
That would be the treaty which Washington drafted with the Bey of Tripoli. (Which the Tripolitanians and the rest of the Barbary gentlemen promptly trampled on, but I digress.) The point stands that Constitutionally, we are not a Christian nation.
Culturally, we are Massachusetts Puritans who pretend to be secular. Our ruling class is, anyway...
517 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:25pm |
Cleanup on aisle#498
not very classy.
518 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:45pm |
519 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:52pm |
re: #457 SteveC
I saw cases and cases of Mexican Coca-Cola in a warehouse store today! Do they still have real sugar as an ingredient?
Si.
520 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:47:56pm |
re: #510 razorbacker
Were I in the mood to buy a handgun for personal defense (I am not. I have never purchased a handgun; very, very, very, very seldom carry a handgun, haven't really owned all that many handguns, and do not see at the present time a real need for me to start buying handguns.) I would look real close at the various models of handguns that fire both the .410 shotshell and the .45 long Colt cartridge.
Then I'd load a mix of .410 buckshot and .45 long Colt.
But that's just me.
the Taurus Judge...hell of a beast
521 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:48:00pm |
re: #483 SecretInternetDoucheBag
Has any President in the history of our country ever said that shit?
Thomas Jefferson made that point very clear. Here are a couple examples..
"I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendency of one sect over another." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78"Believing... that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802. ME 16:281
522 | Kreuzueber Halbmond Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:48:02pm |
re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist
Point taken. What I perceive to be "Judeo-Christian" is Mosaic Law coupled with the teachings of Jesus. That synergy put Man's mind right and put us on the correct path for the good things that came later.
524 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:48:41pm |
525 | solomonpanting Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:49:06pm |
re: #492 Walter L. Newton
We are not a christian nation and Obama was speaking the truth
Ours is not a Christian government, but is a Christian nation, if determined solely by religious affiliation.
526 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:49:30pm |
re: #502 Dark_Falcon
Yes, we are. Christianity does not have a place in the government, and rightly so, but it does inform our nations morals and values. Such values informed the Abolitionist movement, as well most of our social reform movements. America is a Christian nation.
And the Hammurabi Code predates Hebrew moral and values, and it is evident to all document critics that many of the basic moral codes in the Hebrew Scriptures were borrowed from the Hammurabi Codes. So what, America is a Babylonian nation?
527 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:49:34pm |
Really working hard on learning rudimentary geography for the next few days. Can you really live without me?
528 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:49:44pm |
Bush and Obama both bowed. The difference is Obama liked it.
/ That's my unsubstantiated story and I'm sticking to it (even though it's a total fabrication.)
529 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:50:20pm |
Hmmm, if Obama said "Christian Nation"? That would translate to some other nations as as "We are not a Christian Theocracy"?
530 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:50:26pm |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nope. Sorry. Past that map behind your monitor and glance at it on occasion.
532 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:03pm |
533 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:06pm |
re: #525 solomonpanting
Ours is not a Christian government, but is a Christian nation, if determined solely by religious affiliation.
Which religion?
535 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:20pm |
re: #525 solomonpanting
Ours is not a Christian government, but is a Christian nation, if determined solely by religious affiliation.
I disagree.
536 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:21pm |
re: #521 Mich-again
Thomas Jefferson made that point very clear. Here are a couple examples..
Pfft! Thomas Jefferson! What did he know?
/jefferson bible
537 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:48pm |
re: #522 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Point taken. What I perceive to be "Judeo-Christian" is Mosaic Law coupled with the teachings of Jesus. That synergy put Man's mind right and put us on the correct path for the good things that came later.
OK--I may not like the phrase itself, but I know exactly what you mean, and agree, insofar as the result was the United States.
538 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:51:55pm |
re: #520 albusteve
the Taurus Judge...hell of a beast
I thought that was the only one. It's not. Seems like just about anything chambered for the .45 long Colt will work just fine.
539 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:52:14pm |
No, it is not. The founding fathers specifically wrote the Constitution to avoid being identified as a "Christian nation," or as any kind of religious nation. This is extremely well documented.
Washington's Farewell Address 1796
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. ...
Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of american, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the Independence and Liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes. ...
What they wanted to avoid was a State religion, not a Christian nation. A nation built on Judeo-Christian traditions.
541 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:52:48pm |
re: #526 Walter L. Newton
And the Hammurabi Code predates Hebrew moral and values, and it is evident to all document critics that many of the basic moral codes in the Hebrew Scriptures were borrowed from the Hammurabi Codes. So what, America is a Babylonian nation?
Basically, folks, we're all West Semites here...
542 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:52:58pm |
re: #526 Walter L. Newton
And the Hammurabi Code predates Hebrew moral and values, and it is evident to all document critics that many of the basic moral codes in the Hebrew Scriptures were borrowed from the Hammurabi Codes. So what, America is a Babylonian nation?
These sorts of conversations always end up with two sides talking past one another. We should all agree that our "Social Contract" is Roman (I like) and our dominant culture is Calvinist (I don't like). With the Babylonians, you're bringing usul al-fiqh - uh, I mean legal ethics into it; that largely depends on which state you're in, but if you're not from Louisiana then I'll throw in dear old England into that mix.
544 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:53:28pm |
546 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:53:49pm |
re: #540 Charles
Here we go again.
Things would be much smoother if you quit inserting annoying facts, you know.
548 | Boondock St. Bender Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:53:51pm |
re: #536 Charles
HE OWNED A KORAN!11eleventy!(shows you can't trust him)
/
549 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:53:58pm |
re: #513 Charles
No, it is not. The founding fathers specifically wrote the Constitution to avoid being identified as a "Christian nation," or as any kind of religious nation. This is extremely well documented.
Charles, I meant what I said only in the context of of America's culture. Our Constitution and laws are informed by that culture but are not religious in nature and are written so as to be neutral towards all religions. America is culturally Christian, legally it is not and should not be. I was trying to recognize America's culture, no more.
550 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:54:00pm |
551 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:54:04pm |
re: #539 thebigolddog
Did you know Washington was a Deist? He never even wrote Jesus' name.
552 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:54:09pm |
Hoo, boy... here we go.
/waiter? Check please.
553 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:54:35pm |
re: #544 hazzyday
Jones Soda has cane sugar.
I can't find Jones. But Sam's has pallets of Mexican Coca-Cola all the time.
554 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:54:45pm |
I agree that Louisianans follow the legal ethic of Hammurabi.
555 | Digital Display Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:55:36pm |
re: #552 Irish Rose
Hoo, boy... here we go.
/waiter? Check please.
Come on.Have one more beer with the Hoopster..Let's see what happens
556 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:55:52pm |
I'm not really a ding whore (yes, I am) but, I typed the following sentence...
"Biden is a douche"
8 times. EIGHT!
Guess how many dings I got? C'mon, guess.
A ZERO A POINT ZERO!
You can do better...
Just sayin....
557 | SteveC Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:13pm |
While I was an Birmingham, Alabama for my second heart surgery, we met a Methodist minister and his wife and developed a friendship that lasted for years. Once when we were visiting his home, he showed me and my father a gun that he described as a "22 on a 38 frame." It's main claim to fame was that it had belonged to the minister's cousin, Joel Chandler Harris.
The minister and his wife have both passed on and they didn't have any children. I have no idea what happened to that gun, but I hope that some one who appreciates it's history got it.
558 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:21pm |
re: #538 razorbacker
I thought that was the only one. It's not. Seems like just about anything chambered for the .45 long Colt will work just fine.
I considered one...there are two barrel lengths...but I like my Stoeger 12ga...I did not pursue it any further....who knows what's out there....lots of options....I thought about cutting down a 20ga gasser for home D...of course there are problems with that concept
559 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:31pm |
Did you know Washington was a Deist? He never even wrote Jesus' name
I know what he said to the Nation on his way out the door. A speech often quoted for its important admonishments. I note however these admonishments are often overlooked. I wonder why that is?
560 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:42pm |
561 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:50pm |
re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not really a ding whore (yes, I am) but, I typed the following sentence...
"Biden is a douche"8 times. EIGHT!
Guess how many dings I got? C'mon, guess.
A ZERO A POINT ZERO!
You can do better...
Just sayin....
I gave you a pity upding.
562 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:51pm |
re: #542 Zimriel
These sorts of conversations always end up with two sides talking past one another. We should all agree that our "Social Contract" is Roman (I like) and our dominant culture is Calvinist (I don't like). With the Babylonians, you're bringing usul al-fiqh - uh, I mean legal ethics into it; that largely depends on which state you're in, but if you're not from Louisiana then I'll throw in dear old England into that mix.
Bottom line is, our moral and values and laws were not given to us from god. It is a combination of many centuries of social experiments, and the actual foundation go as far back as Hammurabi. This is plain truth.
563 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:56:51pm |
Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?
-James Madison
564 | Kreuzueber Halbmond Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:57:09pm |
re: #537 SanFranciscoZionist
I should clarify. I said "correct path" when I should have said "path". History will ultimately judge if it was correct or not.
566 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:57:28pm |
I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.
-James Madison
567 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:57:32pm |
re: #547 Dianna
Why do you say our social contract is Roman?
It's the ideal of different branches of government, each a rival to one another, none allowed to stay too powerful, and (mostly) with fixed terms of service. All of this is written down in a written code, amended through strict legal channels, and understood via precedent and legislation.
And we call one of our legislatures a "Senate", so there's that too.
568 | solomonpanting Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:57:45pm |
Religious Self-Identification of the U.S. Adult Population: 2008:Total Christian...............................................173,402,000
Your results may vary.
570 | Adrenalyn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:58:13pm |
what if say Gary Coleman bestowed a medal
you prit-near have to get down on one knee to accept it
would that be considered a bow, curtsy, genuflection, etc ?
571 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:58:30pm |
re: #558 albusteve
I'd not cut down a barrel, myself. But aren't there 18.5" 20 guage barrels available for the old Mossberg 500s?
573 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:58:57pm |
Since it's obviously Turtles all the way down.
We are a Turtle Nation!
;-P
574 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:59:35pm |
re: #567 Zimriel
It's the ideal of different branches of government, each a rival to one another, none allowed to stay too powerful, and (mostly) with fixed terms of service. All of this is written down in a written code, amended through strict legal channels, and understood via precedent and legislation.
And we call one of our legislatures a "Senate", so there's that too.
Oh, dear.
575 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:59:41pm |
576 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 7:59:49pm |
re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pity dings are cool.
I wish I could give you a BIG one. How's are you doing tonight with the smokes?
577 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:02pm |
re: #573 jcm
A turtle changed my life. Not that you care.
579 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:12pm |
God, I just love Benjamin Franklin. This hasn't much to do with the topic, it's just a bit of Franklin on religion that I adore.
You desire to know something of my religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it. But I cannot take your curiosity amiss, and shall endeavor in a few words to gratify it.
Here is my creed.
-I believe in one God, the creator of the universe.
-That he governs by his providence.
-That he ought to be worshipped.
-That the most acceptable service we render to him is doing good to his other children.
-That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire,
I think his system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity;
though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble.I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequences, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure.
I love that. "I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble". He wrote that at eighty-four.
580 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:19pm |
re: #563 Sharmuta
Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect
of Christiansof any faith, in exclusion of all other Sects?-James Madison
Building on Madison.
581 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:24pm |
re: #573 jcm
Since it's obviously Turtles all the way down.
We are a Turtle Nation!
;-P
At least those of us who read Terry Pratchett!
582 | Irish Rose Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:26pm |
re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rose? How are you?
Not too bad tonight, trying to enjoy some ice cream.
583 | Wendya Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:38pm |
re: #570 Adrenalyn
would that be considered a bow, curtsy, genuflection, etc ?
I believe it would be considered embarrassing.
584 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:00:38pm |
By virtue of the fact the framers sought enough to identify freedom of religion within the Constitution, it suffices to say this country is not a "Christian nation" in the way other countries affiliate their religion and government.
We are not a "Christian Republic" affording preferred status according to religious belief, quite the opposite.
I think a better argument, is that much of our law, and way of government drew inspiration from Judeo-Christian principles, thus inspiring the founders to be mindful of the history, and thrust of this belief, without making it a qualification for full citizenship.
Now, if you want to make the argument of why the hell we have our very own circus clown going to real religious states emphatically declaring this to begin with, & making apologies for us , I think is a valid discussion.
586 | Wishing Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:01:10pm |
re: #304 WhiteRasta
Here is a bad-ass all American pistol:
[Link: www.magnumresearch.com...]
Not for small hands.
Israeli gun, not American. They do make the Baby Eagle, for small handed peeps.
588 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:01:31pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Bottom line is, our moral and values and laws were not given to us from god. It is a combination of many centuries of social experiments, and the actual foundation go as far back as Hammurabi. This is plain truth.
Walter, I can't agree with you there.
The Truth is the Truth. It matters not a whit if a person believes they come from G-d or from history. It endures.
589 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:01:36pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Bottom line is, our moral and values and laws were not given to us from god. It is a combination of many centuries of social experiments, and the actual foundation go as far back as Hammurabi. This is plain truth.
Walter, I have to part company with that sentiment, because I believe we got the laws from God.
I agree with FBV, though.
All that stuff is faith. I've got my reasons, as do you and everybody else on this forum.
I actually think God predates the Hammurabi.
590 | SteveC Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:01:40pm |
re: #570 Adrenalyn
what if say Gary Coleman bestowed a medal
Witch medal? The International Honorary Order of the Lollypop Guild?
591 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:01:42pm |
re: #564 Kreuzueber Halbmond
I should clarify. I said "correct path" when I should have said "path". History will ultimately judge if it was correct or not.
Noted.
592 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:02:11pm |
re: #576 Walter L. Newton
Doin' great. Have had quite a bit of beer (Iron Fist Rule be damned!) not one smoke. I'm fine Walter. Thanks.
Have a (tad bit) shorter fuse. But, it's cool.
593 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:02:21pm |
re: #558 albusteve
I considered one...there are two barrel lengths...but I like my Stoeger 12ga...I did not pursue it any further....who knows what's out there....lots of options....I thought about cutting down a 20ga gasser for home D...of course there are problems with that concept
Careful about that "cutting down" business. Leave 18 inches, plus a little extra (for the avoidance of doubt), or Uncle Same can get very, very cranky.
594 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:02:33pm |
595 | Dustyvet Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:02:44pm |
re: #573 jcm
Since it's obviously Turtles all the way down.
We are a Turtle Nation!
;-P
The Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles
Turtles are bright eyed, bushy tailed, fearless and unafraid folk with a fighter pilot attitude. They think clean, have fun a lot, and recognize the fact that you never get anyplace in life worthwhile unless you stick your neck out.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
596 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:03:14pm |
I will smoke again. But won't buy any.
597 | capitalist piglet Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:03:19pm |
re: #496 capitalist piglet
I posted this on the other thread, but by the time I had confirmed it, the thread was dead.
My best friend is a Navy veteran who served on a submarine rescue ship, the U.S.S. Kittiwake. He participated in the Gulf War.
He was given a medal by the Saudis, as was everyone he served with. It is authorized to be worn on American uniforms. It was accompanied by a certificate of appreciation from the Saudi king. I've seen the medal - it's quite elaborate.
I just thought that might come as a surprise to some folks. A lot of American military personnel have medals from the Saudis, apparently.
And lest anyone think I'm talking out of my rump : ), here is the Saudi medal members of our military received:
598 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:03:27pm |
re: #584 formercorpsman
I think a better argument, is that much of our law, and way of government drew inspiration from Judeo-Christian principles, thus inspiring the founders to be mindful of the history, and thrust of this belief, without making it a qualification for full citizenship.
I would add Greco-Roman thought, that gave birth to democracies and republics.
599 | Adrenalyn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:03:50pm |
ok, I just thought of a reason to support Charles on this
and I hope it is his meaning
but if he is trying to say that 0bama is a bad as Bush
and trying to nudge the left for electing essentially, another Bush
then fine, I can dig it
600 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:06pm |
re: #539 thebigolddog
Washington knew that Thomas Jefferson thought Christians were essentially kooks for believing the details in the Gospels, yet he chose Jefferson for a Cabinet position. And here you can read what Jefferson said about him after Washington's death.
"His mind was great and powerful ... as far as he saw, no judgment was ever sounder. It was slow in operation, being little aided by invention or imagination, but sure in conclusion ..."Perhaps the strongest feature in his character was prudence, never acting until every circumstance, every consideration, was maturely weighed; refraining if he saw doubt, but, when once decided, going through his purpose, whatever obstacles opposed.
"His integrity was the most pure, his justice the most inflexible I have ever known ...
"He was, indeed, in every sense of the words, a wise, a good and a great man ... On the whole, his character was, in its mass, perfect ... it may truly be said, that never did nature and fortune combine more perfectly to make a man great ..."
200+ years ago they knew politics should be separate from Religion.
601 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:24pm |
602 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:37pm |
re: #587 Zimriel
Am I in trouble again?
I'm a little too tired and distracted to give you a full lecture, but I would try picking up Robin Lane Fox's book, The Classical World.
603 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:37pm |
604 | jwb7605 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:40pm |
So if you guys melt down over Glenn Beck and stuff, ponder this:
I'm a "Murder She Wrote" addict, and it just came on.
Later!
605 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:47pm |
re: #588 ggt
Walter, I can't agree with you there.
The Truth is the Truth. It matters not a whit if a person believes they come from G-d or from history. It endures.
It doesn't matter if you agree with me here. Facts are facts, but there is no way I can make you agree to the truth. The Code of Hammurabi predated the Hebrew codes and laws and MANY of the codes and laws found in the Hebrew scriptures reflect that.
It's not a mystery, it's not even a fact that is debated by secular scholars.
So, there is a difference between belief and knowledge. Believe what you will, I know better.
606 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:50pm |
Yawn. A large majority of American citizens since the founding of our country have been some flavor of Christian. The United States of America, by constitutional definition, is a country forbidden to have an established religion. Therefore, the country is not Christian (or anything else) but the citizens are (for the most part.) If all the citizens of the USA converted to Islam or Scientology or Flying Spaghetti Monsterism the country's religious status (none) would not change.
607 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:04:54pm |
Okay... see y'all in a few days.
I am studying (non-USA) geography HARD.
Really. Didn't know how much I didn't know.
608 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:10pm |
re: #585 Sharmuta
George Washington attitude toward Religion can be found in the man's own words. The admonition he gave to the country he fathered in his last, and one of his most important addresses. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit with your 2009 world view but his words are clear and unmistakable.
609 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:13pm |
re: #571 razorbacker
I'd not cut down a barrel, myself. But aren't there 18.5" 20 guage barrels available for the old Mossberg 500s?
don't know...my Stoeger is 18.25 pistol grip pump and I love it...had a buddy who had a 20ga auto and I fell in love with thing years ago...plenty for home D
[Link: www.stoegerindustries.com...]
610 | NYCHardhat Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:14pm |
re: #604 jwb7605
So if you guys melt down over Glenn Beck and stuff, ponder this:
I'm a "Murder She Wrote" addict, and it just came on.
Later!
Glenn Beck is a buttplug.
611 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:27pm |
re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I will smoke again. But won't buy any.
You don't know how hard I am laughing right now.
When I quit, my still-smoking friends soon learned to run away at my approach.
"Sure I'll give you a cigarette. Wanna lay down right there and have me pump your lungs in and out for you too?"
612 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:32pm |
re: #595 Dustyvet
The Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles
Turtles are bright eyed, bushy tailed, fearless and unafraid folk with a fighter pilot attitude. They think clean, have fun a lot, and recognize the fact that you never get anyplace in life worthwhile unless you stick your neck out.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Turtles are bushy-tailed? Where are you getting these turtles from?
613 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:05:41pm |
614 | Dustyvet Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:14pm |
re: #612 SanFranciscoZionist
Turtles are bushy-tailed? Where are you getting these turtles from?
Turtles R US...:)
615 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:25pm |
re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay... see y'all in a few days.
I am studying (non-USA) geography HARD.
Really. Didn't know how much I didn't know.
Night, hold the smokes. I'm routing for ya.
616 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:27pm |
re: #600 Mich-again
The man's words speak for themselves. It's amazing how people can simply deny them. Funny actually.
617 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:34pm |
re: #605 Walter L. Newton
It doesn't matter if you agree with me here. Facts are facts, but there is no way I can make you agree to the truth. The Code of Hammurabi predated the Hebrew codes and laws and MANY of the codes and laws found in the Hebrew scriptures reflect that.
It's not a mystery, it's not even a fact that is debated by secular scholars.
So, there is a difference between belief and knowledge. Believe what you will, I know better.
You sound like the Christian Whacko's who know the truth as well.
Right and Wrong is Right and Wrong.
618 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:36pm |
re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist
They gouge eyes.
(/uh, I don't know!)
I'm a Louisianan.
Never knew about the eye-gouging.
(/I don't know either).
619 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:49pm |
I have to say, we are all more likely to learn something reading quotes from the Founding Fathers than from reading whatever stupid thing Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Keith Olberant, or Chris Matthews said today. Rock on Lizards.
620 | pink freud Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:06:54pm |
re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doin' great. Have had quite a bit of beer (Iron Fist Rule be damned!) not one smoke. I'm fine Walter. Thanks.
Have a (tad bit) shorter fuse. But, it's cool.
W00T! Good luck, FBV, I am rooting for you!
621 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:02pm |
re: #598 Sharmuta
I would add Greco-Roman thought, that gave birth to democracies and republics.
Not to mention the English legal code, in all its glory, and the Iroquois League.
622 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:03pm |
re: #602 Dianna
I'm a little too tired and distracted to give you a full lecture, but I would try picking up Robin Lane Fox's book, The Classical World.
On Kindle at Amazon, $9.99.
623 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:08pm |
It's not productive to say whether or not we get our morals and values from God. I believe that I get mine from God, and that so does the Pope; but that is on the plane of faith, and I cannot ethically apply it to history. Especially not American history, because if there's one thing I do know it's that we are not a Catholic nation.
(Mexico, on the other hand, really did initially constitute itself as a Catholic nation on independence, albeit a tolerant one. But they threw that off; not sure exactly when, but definitely during the time of the Revolution.)
624 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:19pm |
re: #608 thebigolddog
As are his actions and the words he didn't use, such as the fact he didn't take Communion, and never wrote "Jesus Christ". No one denies that Christianity played a role, but if you're going to paint the Founders as deeply religious men, you'll get a fight, because it's just not true. They were mostly Deists, and that's a fact.
625 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:20pm |
re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I will smoke again. But won't buy any.
That is a CLASSIC non-quitter "quitter" copout. Cold turkey, man. Just do it.
626 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:48pm |
re: #598 Sharmuta
Indeed.
I have been trying to keep my posts tighter anymore. I have the tendency to write some long stuff.
Click my football. MTS. Marcus Tullius Cicero.
Now I am going over History of the World in my mind. The burning chariot scene.
627 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:07:50pm |
Goodnight, hombres. I need to get some rest. I believe showing up for work late on my second day may not be met with enthusiasm! I have to break the new boss in SLOWLY to my little quirk of never being on time. Ever.
628 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:08:09pm |
629 | capitalist piglet Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:08:23pm |
re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist
Not to mention the English legal code, in all its glory, and the Iroquois League.
Thank you for pointing that out! My aforementioned best friend is Mohawk, and he reminds me of this every chance he gets. : )
630 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:08:25pm |
re: #625 Occasional Reader
That is a CLASSIC non-quitter "quitter" copout. Cold turkey, man. Just do it.
Remember the shorter fuse part?
FUCK OFF!
Nothing personal.
631 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:08:46pm |
re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay... see y'all in a few days.
I am studying (non-USA) geography HARD.
Really. Didn't know how much I didn't know.
If you don't mind contributing some rice through a UN program, check out FreeRice.com. They have a geography game that is lots of fun.
632 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:08:55pm |
re: #627 ArmyWife
I'M IN CHESTER! HOW'S THE NEW JOB?
633 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:09:04pm |
re: #628 Dianna
My spending at Amazon has increased quite a bit thanks to the readers at LGF.
634 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:09:27pm |
re: #617 ggt
You sound like the Christian Whacko's who know the truth as well.
Right and Wrong is Right and Wrong.
No GGT, I'm not, what's your problem? I'm stating fact, set in stone fact, can't be changed, scholars have already gone around the block on this, over and over, it's settled.
I know fact, you know truth, truths are adaptable, facts are unchangeable.
635 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:09:29pm |
re: #633 jaunte
My spending at Amazon has increased quite a bit thanks to the readers at LGF.
I know how that goes!
636 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:09:59pm |
re: #626 formercorpsman
It wasn't meant to chastise you- but rather to contribute additionally to your comment. There was a lot of Enlightenment thinking that went into the formation of this country, and it's all worthy of being valued for what it helped to bring forth- our beloved America.
637 | albusteve Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:11pm |
re: #593 Occasional Reader
Careful about that "cutting down" business. Leave 18 inches, plus a little extra (for the avoidance of doubt), or Uncle Same can get very, very cranky.
I know...but I fired one, sawed off both ends....3 and 1...damn
638 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:32pm |
re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Remember the shorter fuse part?
FUCK OFF!
Nothing personal.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
639 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:35pm |
640 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:37pm |
re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Chester where, if I may ask?
641 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:41pm |
re: #625 Occasional Reader
That is a CLASSIC non-quitter "quitter" copout. Cold turkey, man. Just do it.
I remember waay back in the day when a friend made the famous quote "I'll quit when the price hits a buck a pack." Ha. Its almost $7 a pack here now and people keep buying them.
642 | hazzyday Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:10:41pm |
re: #616 thebigolddog
The man's words speak for themselves. It's amazing how people can simply deny them. Funny actually.
He was a Mason. He would have to himself his own understanding of Christianity. What was intimate to him he would not reveal to an unkind interpretation. He could have had a personal knowledge of Christ and preferred not to exercise it in the open, or he could have been more like Franklin. These people did talk to each other about these things. Being a Deist does not exclude one from having a knowledge of Christ.
644 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:14pm |
Any day that included the view from Dead Horse Point is a wonderful day. Today I had a wonderful day. Crashing tonight in Moab.
645 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:23pm |
re: #633 jaunte
My spending at Amazon has increased quite a bit thanks to the readers at LGF.
Mine, too.
FORTUNATELY, much is available for Kindle, so now at least my house is no longer completely overrun with books. Just sort of tolerably overrun - a new room would be nice.
646 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:31pm |
re: #638 Occasional Reader
What the fuck is wrong with you?
He's quitting smoking.
Oh, the joys of doing that when you're not so sick you don't care!
647 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:36pm |
re: #594 reine.de.tout
It was the Babylonian inspiration for the 10 commandments.
648 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:39pm |
re: #642 hazzyday
He was a Mason. He would have to himself his own understanding of Christianity. What was intimate to him he would not reveal to an unkind interpretation. He could have had a personal knowledge of Christ and preferred not to exercise it in the open, or he could have been more like Franklin. These people did talk to each other about these things. Being a Deist does not exclude one from having a knowledge of Christ.
No, as a Mason, he would have to have his own understanding of god.
649 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:11:49pm |
re: #636 Sharmuta
I know that Sharmuta, its cool.
I really was thinking about the pot burning scene from the movie though.
651 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:12:06pm |
re: #634 Walter L. Newton
No GGT, I'm not, what's your problem? I'm stating fact, set in stone fact, can't be changed, scholars have already gone around the block on this, over and over, it's settled.
I know fact, you know truth, truths are adaptable, facts are unchangeable.
From your original post:
" Bottom line is, our moral and values and laws were not given to us from god"
There is no way this can be proven or disproven.
652 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:12:15pm |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
It was the Babylonian inspiration for the 10 commandments.
I was wondering why he specified "Louisianans".
653 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:12:25pm |
re: #642 hazzyday
His words speak for themselves. Plain and clear for all to read and understand. QED.
654 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:12:54pm |
re: #644 bosforus
Any day that included the view from Dead Horse Point is a wonderful day. Today I had a wonderful day. Crashing tonight in Moab.
Hey Bos, long time no see how are things? You still in Happy Valley?
655 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:13:09pm |
re: #638 Occasional Reader
Oh, c'mon. I thought it was funny.
Sorry if I offended. You know I love ya.
Really. Was just a joke.
I'm fine.
656 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:13:47pm |
re: #652 reine.de.tout
I was wondering why he specified "Louisianans".
I think he was just taking the long way around to a joke. Sometimes the direct route is best.
657 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:13:47pm |
659 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:14:07pm |
re: #645 reine.de.tout
My kids are close to moving out, so I'm anticipating library room.
660 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:14:51pm |
re: #649 formercorpsman
I know that Sharmuta, its cool.
I really was thinking about the pot burning scene from the movie though.
Pot burning is another thread. ;)
661 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:14:56pm |
re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm going to wave out of my window. Tell me if you can see me.
662 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:14:57pm |
re: #654 coquimbojoe
Hey Bos, long time no see how are things? You still in Happy Valley?
Yup. Good to hear from you too! I've been MIA for the last two months for the same reason I'm in Moab tonight and Blanding tomorrow night. Work. I've been driving all over Utah. I've put in 15,000 miles. This is the last week. :)
663 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:15:11pm |
664 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:15:16pm |
re: #624 Sharmuta
As are his actions and the words he didn't use, such as the fact he didn't take Communion, and never wrote "Jesus Christ". No one denies that Christianity played a role, but if you're going to paint the Founders as deeply religious men, you'll get a fight, because it's just not true. They were mostly Deists, and that's a fact.
I would say they were deeply religious, many of them, or at least very interested in religion--just not necessarily traditionally religious. Which I admire in them--they thought all their principles through, and came to their own conclusions.
I think the Adamses stayed pretty traditional Congregationalists. (I'm sorry, I know I'm always on about John Adams, I'm very slowly working through a biography of him, and occasionally I have a new factoid.)
665 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:15:18pm |
re: #651 ggt
From your original post:
" Bottom line is, our moral and values and laws were not given to us from god"There is no way this can be proven or disproven.
It is FACT that the basic 10 statements of the Hebrew scriptures were based on the Code of Hammurabi. Now, if you want to figure out if god gave this to the Babylonians, go for it.
666 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:15:36pm |
re: #658 Iron Fist
That's right up there with being the official taste tester for the Moonlight Bunnyranch.
Heh.
You'll get that job, right after I land my gig as the personal massage therapist for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
667 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:15:42pm |
re: #661 ArmyWife
I'm going to wave out of my window. Tell me if you can see me.
Are you a little person?
668 | Desert Dog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:00pm |
The USA was conceived and founded by religious men. There is no way to say this is not the case. We just got lucky and the Christianity our founders embraced was also infused with many of the tenets of the Enlightenment, where reason and later, science, began to replace the super-natural and superstitious. So, we got the Sermon on the Mount mixed with a little Hobbes and a nice dose of Locke.
We still live in a religious country - perhaps not as Christian as some wish. But, a belief in a higher being (God) was almost universal in the USA until only recently. That is also a fact that cannot be disputed.
The age we live in has been jaded and altered by the cultural upheavals that occurred in the last century. Europe was quite religious up until the Great War and then a cultural shift took place. The USA was slower to change as we were insulated to the advent of all the "isms" that took root in Europe and other parts of the world. We are still considerably more Christian than any other western country by far.
So, what is wrong with that? let people believe what they want to believe, just as long as nobody tells me what to worship (or not worship)
669 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:02pm |
re: #662 bosforus
Yup. Good to hear from you too! I've been MIA for the last two months for the same reason I'm in Moab tonight and Blanding tomorrow night. Work. I've been driving all over Utah. I've put in 15,000 miles. This is the last week. :)
Nice. Hows the new bride?
670 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:03pm |
671 | MandyManners Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:04pm |
re: #593 Occasional Reader
Careful about that "cutting down" business. Leave 18 inches, plus a little extra (for the avoidance of doubt), or Uncle Same can get very, very cranky.
Is he married to Auntie Mame?
672 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:05pm |
re: #608 thebigolddog
George Washington attitude toward Religion can be found in the man's own words. The admonition he gave to the country he fathered in his last, and one of his most important addresses. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit with your 2009 world view but his words are clear and unmistakable.
And then you went and mistook them.
Washington was using the "bully pulpit" to call for a religious and conservative popular culture. He wouldn't have dreamt of legislating a faith for all Americans to follow, or some kind of "dhimmitude" where Christians would be preferentially drafted into the elite.
In short, he wanted a religious people, not a religious state..
673 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:27pm |
re: #667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Umm.. well, not in the Wizard of Oz sense, but I'm 5'2. With my shoes on.
674 | traderjoe9 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:30pm |
re: #155 Charles
Right. He didn't bow. He just put his hands by his side, bent forward from the waist, and received a medal.
It was NOT A BOW. Just keep telling yourself that.
I agree; it's disgusting that Bush, Obama, and past U.S presidents would continue to associate with this evil country. Saudi Arabia is perhaps the prime violator of human rights in the world (and yet has the audacity to accuse Israel of human rights violations) and while US presidents should not be expected to bow to any foreign diplomat, especially not to one from Saudi Arabia.
What upsets me, and I'm sure everybody else - if this hasn't already been mentioned in this thread - is Barack and Michelle Obama's disregard for established etiquette regarding the queen. Moreover, Obama - a guest in the queens palace - gives the queen a simple handshake. Yet to Saudi Arabia he reflexively bows down.
A case could be made that this is just a simple mistake or isolated incident, and that Michelle simply wasn't informed about an etiquette six decades in the making. However, then you could also make the case that all of Obama's other incidents and associations have also been one big coincidence.
I'm in no way suggesting that Obama is a secret Muslim - that's preposterous. But nobody can deny that a great many of his "mentors" and "advisers" and "inspirations" are anti-American, anti-Semite, communist garbage. These connections have been played down and ignored by the media as much as possible, and liberals simply don't give a shit, considering they are also anti-American, anti-Semite garbage.
It seems I went on a tangent. My point is - Obama's bowing to Saudi Arabia, and his and Michelle's apparent disregard for the palace's etiquette isn't merely one incident. In reality, its very reflective of the president himself.
675 | Gus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:43pm |
re: #56 Charles
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
Evening.
Caught this on O'Reily this afternoon in which Newt Gingrich said on Obama:
Now the fact is the State Department cannot learn after 30 years of trying to deal with the Iranian dictatorship, after 20 years of trying to deal with the North Korean dictatorship, after years of trying to get the U.N. to do something good, after years of trying to get the Europeans to do something good, we keep coming back with this naive view that somehow if we smile at him, if we say nice things to them, if we bow to the Saudi king, which the president did, which I thought was frankly not very good when President Bush did it. And I don't think it's very good when President Obama does it. I don't think Americans ought to bow to kings.
Thus Newt Gingirch stated on nationwide TV "if we bow to the Saudi king, which the president did, which I thought was frankly not very good when President Bush did it." You might be in close company with Newt Gingrich on the matter.
Link also has the transcript.
676 | MandyManners Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:51pm |
678 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:16:57pm |
re: #645 reine.de.tout
Mine, too.
FORTUNATELY, much is available for Kindle, so now at least my house is no longer completely overrun with books. Just sort of tolerably overrun - a new room would be nice.
My music buying has gone way up with the music threads.
679 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:00pm |
So, I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor. Apparently, the Obama administration is claiming that Obama did not bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Up until now, I didn't care that he bowed. Now I am angry. Why the Hell is he denying something that he obviously did and was videotaped doing? That's just stupid.
680 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:25pm |
re: #624 Sharmuta
As are his actions and the words he didn't use, such as the fact he didn't take Communion, and never wrote "Jesus Christ". No one denies that Christianity played a role, but if you're going to paint the Founders as deeply religious men, you'll get a fight, because it's just not true. They were mostly Deists, and that's a fact.
Washington and John Adams and some other people attended a Catholic Mass in Philadelphia during the Continental Congress. Thought that was an interesting factoid as well. Adams was a little taken aback by all the bling in the church, but liked the homily. He wrote home to Abigail about it.
681 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:33pm |
682 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:45pm |
re: #669 coquimbojoe
Nice. Hows the new bride?
Doing great, other than battling depression due to my absence. But I can hardly blame her for that.
684 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:58pm |
re: #679 NukeAtomrod
He's either stupid or he wants people to be distracted.
685 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:17:59pm |
re: #670 Walter L. Newton
I asked you, Chester where.
Chester, VA... 20 minutes, South of Richmond, VA!
686 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:11pm |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
It was the Babylonian inspiration for the 10 commandments.
687 | ArmyWife Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:12pm |
Ok, seriously. I'm going to bed. FBV, stay OFF Rt. 10 tomorrow if you are feeling grouchy from withdraws!
688 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:16pm |
re: #665 Walter L. Newton
It is FACT that the basic 10 statements of the Hebrew scriptures were based on the Code of Hammurabi. Now, if you want to figure out if god gave this to the Babylonians, go for it.
Sigh, this is an unproductive conversation and I'm not going to continue it.
689 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:17pm |
re: #664 SanFranciscoZionist
I would say they were deeply religious, many of them, or at least very interested in religion--just not necessarily traditionally religious. Which I admire in them--they thought all their principles through, and came to their own conclusions.
I think the Adamses stayed pretty traditional Congregationalists. (I'm sorry, I know I'm always on about John Adams, I'm very slowly working through a biography of him, and occasionally I have a new factoid.)
I would say they were deeply spiritual men. Many of them had strong opinions on organized religion.
690 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:33pm |
re: #685 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Chester, VA... 20 minutes, South of Richmond, VA!
Did you know Army Wife is in Chester VA?
691 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:44pm |
re: #629 capitalist piglet
Thank you for pointing that out! My aforementioned best friend is Mohawk, and he reminds me of this every chance he gets. : )
No problem! I like to bring up the Iroquois League, it lets me prove that I can spell "Iroquois".
692 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:18:47pm |
re: #680 SanFranciscoZionist
Washington and John Adams and some other people attended a Catholic Mass in Philadelphia during the Continental Congress. Thought that was an interesting factoid as well. Adams was a little taken aback by all the bling in the church, but liked the homily. He wrote home to Abigail about it.
I grew up Congregationalist, and our church was nice, but restrained.
693 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:19:15pm |
re: #688 ggt
Sigh, this is an unproductive conversation and I'm not going to continue it.
Typical response. I have no problem with your faith, but you can't address my facts.
695 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:19:29pm |
re: #656 Killgore Trout
I think he was just taking the long way around to a joke. Sometimes the direct route is best.
Well, for me it is, that's fer sure.
I don't usually understand "subtle".
696 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:19:39pm |
re: #666 Occasional Reader
You'll get that job, right after I land my gig as the personal massage therapist for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
Need an assistant?
We're cool, no?
697 | thebigolddog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:19:41pm |
re: #672 Zimriel
Uh huh. They are clear and unmistakeably. Easily understood by any honest person.
Evidently my words on the other hand are really obtuse since you seem to not have understood them at all.
698 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:20:09pm |
699 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:20:15pm |
re: #679 NukeAtomrod
You realize that you answered your own question with your last line, don't you?
701 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:20:23pm |
re: #687 ArmyWife
That's my short cut! Watch out!
702 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:20:42pm |
re: #693 Walter L. Newton
Typical response. I have no problem with your faith, but you can't address my facts.
No, I'm afraid you're being a bit hectoring. GGT was addressing the ultimate source of morality, not the textual descent of a certain bit.
Not a criticism, just an observation.
705 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:21:13pm |
re: #702 Dianna
No, I'm afraid you're being a bit hectoring. GGT was addressing the ultimate source of morality, not the textual descent of a certain bit.
Not a criticism, just an observation.
Thank you, Dianna.
706 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:21:14pm |
Re, Louisiana and Hammurabi: Louisiana follows the Civil Code for its basic law, which is based on Roman law, which is based on older Near Eastern codes like the Greeks', which ultimately derives from the Near Eastern codes of which Hammurabi's is the best known, although we might also cite Lipit-Ishtar etc.
707 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:21:15pm |
708 | Silvergirl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:21:15pm |
re: #668 Desert Dog
There you have a succinct little statement on religion and the founding of the country that I can find no fault with. Nicely done.
710 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:22:21pm |
re: #694 buzzsawmonkey
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!
Yes, the archaeological records of the Code of Hammurabi predate any discovered record of the Biblical codes. So what?
Does this "prove" that the Biblical laws which resemble those in the Code of Hammurabi are derived from Hammurabi--or merely that the Code of Hammurabi was an imperfect form of earlier revelation? In other words, that the imperfect perception of the divine at the time of Hammurabi contained--imperfection notwithstanding--some elements of the true?
Or, let's take another tack. Let us say that the laws set forth by Hammurabi were merely the "result of many centuries of social experiment." Does that preclude the Divine hand in the guidance of those "social experiments"--or, more mundanely, the fact that the "social experiments" which proved beneficial were those which were favored by the Deity? No.
Well, actually, yes. If you have read any documentary criticism of Hebrew scriptures, you already know that most scholars agree that there was a borrowing.
And you are probably aware of other tales in Hebrew scriptures that can be traced to earlier sources.
And for you last point, you can only assume, believe, hope that those points are true, you have no facts to back them up.
712 | coquimbojoe Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:23:14pm |
re: #709 MandyManners
Who?
Savagenation he was always drunk and unruly. Hiya Mandy how are things and hows junior?
713 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:23:38pm |
re: #668 Desert Dog
We still live in a religious country
As evidence to your point, Courts regularly sentence alcohol-related offenders to attend X number of AA meetings and/or rehab where they preach the 12-step method. And unless there is a new PC 12-step program, its chock full of references to G*.
714 | traderjoe9 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:24:09pm |
re: #605 Walter L. Newton
It doesn't matter if you agree with me here. Facts are facts, but there is no way I can make you agree to the truth. The Code of Hammurabi predated the Hebrew codes and laws and MANY of the codes and laws found in the Hebrew scriptures reflect that.
It's not a mystery, it's not even a fact that is debated by secular scholars.
So, there is a difference between belief and knowledge. Believe what you will, I know better.
Doesn't rally matter. Nobody's following them anyway.
715 | dapperdave Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:24:32pm |
re: #694 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe he's the God of all people? Now I wonder does the Koran fit into this picture? Because one things for sure, our nations founding fathers were not Muslims.
716 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:24:41pm |
re: #689 Sharmuta
I would say they were deeply spiritual men. Many of them had strong opinions on organized religion.
Yeah, fair enough. I think what I love about all of them is that they seem free of that haunting fear about the afterlife that so haunts Calvinist writings from an earlier time. Franklin's assumption is just so simple: if he is wrong about the divinity of Jesus, he will find out about it in the due course of time. No fear of damnation, a simple assumption in the justice and fair play of the universe.
717 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:24:43pm |
re: #705 ggt
Thank you, Dianna.
Sorry. In a sense -you are right, we are talking about two different things, belief and knowledge, which are not always compatible. I have been too harsh.
718 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:25:06pm |
re: #711 Iron Fist
Oh no. Lets put it this way. Something totally befitting if we were bellied up to the bar though.
719 | Desert Dog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:25:51pm |
Our core Judeo-Christian morals, our embracing of "natural laws" (some call them "God given"), our American work ethic and ingenuity, and our luck to be at the right place at the right time has all combined to make the USA what it is today. Downgrade, dismiss or flat out deny Christianity had a large part in shaping this country all you want, it will still be true.
It was a combination of many things, that has made us what we are today. Sadly, I think the some of latest influences that shaping our country are dangerous. Political correctness and moral equivalency will be our downfall. They both veer to far from the formula that has allowed us to thrive were so many other cultures and civilizations have not.
720 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:01pm |
yahoo reporting movie stars are making less per film now. How heartbreaking. ///
721 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:04pm |
re: #694 buzzsawmonkey
or, more mundanely, the fact that the "social experiments" which proved beneficial were those which were favored by the Deity? No.
"Why does God need a starship to 'experiment'?"
-James T. Kirk
722 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:15pm |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
Sorry. In a sense -you are right, we are talking about two different things, belief and knowledge, which are not always compatible. I have been too harsh.
apology accepted. I was trying to convey that, but it is too late at night for my mind to come up with the correct wording. I'm not much for late-night semantics.
723 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:28pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
yahoo reporting movie stars are making less per film now. How heartbreaking. ///
BAILOUT!
724 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:41pm |
I'm going to go take a walk, then figure out if I'm going to try to finish the piece of dialogue I've been ruminating over.
If a fight breaks out while I'm out, I'm sorry.
725 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:52pm |
726 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:58pm |
re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, fair enough. I think what I love about all of them is that they seem free of that haunting fear about the afterlife that so haunts Calvinist writings from an earlier time. Franklin's assumption is just so simple: if he is wrong about the divinity of Jesus, he will find out about it in the due course of time. No fear of damnation, a simple assumption in the justice and fair play of the universe.
Ben is my second favorite Founder after Washington- what an amazing man. What an amazing life.
727 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:26:59pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
yahoo reporting movie stars are making less per film now. How heartbreaking. ///
Bail 'em out!
729 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:27:12pm |
re: #724 Dianna
I'm going to go take a walk, then figure out if I'm going to try to finish the piece of dialogue I've been ruminating over.
If a fight breaks out while I'm out, I'm sorry.
Are you addressing that to me? :)
730 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:27:31pm |
re: #323 Killian Bundy
Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
/so, will they turn it off before Obama makes it too expensive to afford anyway?
Was that the Con-nuker bug?
731 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:27:38pm |
732 | MandyManners Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:27:45pm |
re: #712 coquimbojoe
Savagenation he was always drunk and unruly. Hiya Mandy how are things and hows junior?
I had no idea.
Things are quiet here.
733 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:27:54pm |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
Sorry. In a sense -you are right, we are talking about two different things, belief and knowledge, which are not always compatible. I have been too harsh.
Judaism was the first monotheistic religion. It has never pretended to be the source of all morality.
734 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:28:04pm |
re: #725 Kosh's Shadow
Buried with a donkey
He's my favorite honkey
Born in Arizona
Got a Condo made of Stone-uh.
735 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:28:04pm |
re: #679 NukeAtomrod
So, I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor. Apparently, the Obama administration is claiming that Obama did not bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Up until now, I didn't care that he bowed. Now I am angry. Why the Hell is he denying something that he obviously did and was videotaped doing? That's just stupid.
He's trusting in his Sith mind trick. Darth Bama plans to waves his hand and say. "This is not the gesture you were looking for."
737 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:28:10pm |
This is interesting.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
738 | itellu3times Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:28:17pm |
Want some more reasons to fear and loathe the Obamanation?
From Powerline:
Curtailing our representative democracy -- the Obama administration signals its intent
The Obama administration continues to populate key legal positions with leftist lawyers and, especially, law professors. The selection of Harold Koh, the dean of Yale Law School, to be the State Department's legal advisor is the latest example, and among the most disconcerting.
And now, back to American Idol.
740 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:28:40pm |
re: #457 SteveC
I saw cases and cases of Mexican Coca-Cola in a warehouse store today! Do they still have real sugar as an ingredient?
To hell with the sugar--do they still use the ORIGINAL ingredient?
741 | nyc redneck Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:29:14pm |
re: #679 NukeAtomrod
So, I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor. Apparently, the Obama administration is claiming that Obama did not bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Up until now, I didn't care that he bowed. Now I am angry. Why the Hell is he denying something that he obviously did and was videotaped doing? That's just stupid.
is his middle name off limits again?
i did hear it was pronounced loudly w/ emphasis when he was introduced in
turkey. barack HUSSEIN obama to much applause.
the problem is, o bowed impetuously, gushing w/ enthusiasm to impress the king w/ his subservience.
and o has seen the video.
he is denying out of desperation in the face of evidence that refutes his words.
it is not possible to respect him.
742 | MandyManners Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:29:52pm |
re: #713 Mich-again
As evidence to your point, Courts regularly sentence alcohol-related offenders to attend X number of AA meetings and/or rehab where they preach the 12-step method. And unless there is a new PC 12-step program, its chock full of references to G*.
Isn't it "a higher power"?
743 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:09pm |
re: #733 Spare O'Lake
Judaism was the first monotheistic religion.
I thought Akhenaten started the first one? I am not a historian.
744 | JimmyTheClaw Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:28pm |
re: #23 Charles
George W. Bush pandered to the Saudis throughout his entire presidency. If you don't think that's true, you're in denial.
And he was following a long line of presidents who pandered to the Saudis. Barack Obama's bow was the least offensive thing a US President has done.
amen
745 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:34pm |
re: #721 Occasional Reader
"Why does God need
a starshipto 'experiment'?"-James T. Kirk
You're quoting Star Trek V? That movie was the worst of the Star Trek Movies.
746 | Occasional Reader Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:41pm |
I'm calling it a night.
IT'S A "NIGHT".
There. I said it.
Good night.
747 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:43pm |
Domestically produced Coke uses corn sweeteners instead of real sugar because our Government put a tariff on imported sugar.
748 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:30:54pm |
re: #733 Spare O'Lake
Judaism was the first monotheistic religion. It has never pretended to be the source of all morality.
Wrong... this guy sort of forced it, but he came up with the idea first, at least in recorded history...
"The first monotheist in history seems to be the penultimate Hyksos King of Avaris, named Apophis, who took Sutheck (Set) to be his sole deity, and enforced this god on the population by means of banning worship of all other gods, and allowing the sacred animals of the Egyptians to be killed. Following the second intermediate period, Akhnaton replicated the monotheism of Apothis but with the Aten disk as the one-god of monotheism."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
750 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:05pm |
751 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:05pm |
re: #679 NukeAtomrod
So, I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor. Apparently, the Obama administration is claiming that Obama did not bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Up until now, I didn't care that he bowed. Now I am angry. Why the Hell is he denying something that he obviously did and was videotaped doing? That's just stupid.
Perhaps they're trying to fuel the fire the right seems to want to have over this thus keeping our eyes off the real ball? Watch the Birdie.
753 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:29pm |
re: #724 Dianna
I'm going to go take a walk, then figure out if I'm going to try to finish the piece of dialogue I've been ruminating over.
If a fight breaks out while I'm out, I'm sorry.
sorry that you missed it?
754 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:34pm |
re: #407 calcajun
Steel ammo. Inexpensive for the most part.
Make that steel case ammo- not for reloading, as opposed to brass case ammo.
755 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:35pm |
re: #745 Dark_Falcon
You're quoting Star Trek V? That movie was the worst of the Star Trek Movies.
Yeah, but it was a memorable line.
along with:
"first star to the right . . ."
756 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:31:53pm |
re: #699 razorbacker
You realize that you answered your own question with your last line, don't you?
Yes. And, unfortunately, I am also seeing a pattern of behavior. Obama says "Don't be ridiculous. I am not a socialist. I don't want to control any banks or corporations." and simultaneously forces banks to take taxpayer money and dictates how the banks must behave and fires the CEO of GM and dictates what types of cars it can make and supports legislation to cap the salaries of all employees of all companies.
He's so blatantly dishonest, it's stunning. And he's still getting a pass on every news outlet, including FoxNews! I actually surprised every American isn't running around ranting like Glenn Beck huffing paint!
757 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:32:57pm |
re: #748 Walter L. Newton
Okay, I was almost right.
758 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:33:17pm |
re: #740 calcajun
To hell with the sugar--do they still use the ORIGINAL ingredient?
Ah, you mean cocaine. The answer is no. I've drunk bottles from Mexico and they do not taste very different. They may be better for you, using sugar instead of corn syrup.
759 | Mich-again Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:33:25pm |
re: #742 MandyManners
Isn't it "a higher power"?
I believe the steps refer to God. or maybe it was a small "g" god.
760 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:33:25pm |
761 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:33:36pm |
re: #744 JimmyTheClaw
amen
It's all oil pandering. It is what it is. It's not worth mentioning. The whole "story" is merely a drop from the I.V. bag from the media to keep people watching.
762 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:33:51pm |
re: #755 ggt
Yeah, but it was a memorable line.
along with:
"first star to the right . . ."
Ripping off "Peter Pan" and that was Star Trek VI, and another...Oh my God. I need to get out more.
764 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:34:41pm |
re: #756 NukeAtomrod
Yes. And, unfortunately, I am also seeing a pattern of behavior. Obama says "Don't be ridiculous. I am not a socialist. I don't want to control any banks or corporations." and simultaneously forces banks to take taxpayer money and dictates how the banks must behave and fires the CEO of GM and dictates what types of cars it can make and supports legislation to cap the salaries of all employees of all companies.
He's so blatantly dishonest, it's stunning. And he's still getting a pass on every news outlet, including FoxNews! I actually surprised every American isn't running around ranting like Glenn Beck huffing paint!
Did he actually ever say "I am not a Socialist" or just dodge the question by invoking GW Bush?
765 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:35:34pm |
re: #758 Dark_Falcon
corn syrup.
There is a special place in Hell for Earl Butz and his plan to save the corn growers of America by making all food makers use that crap.
766 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:35:45pm |
re: #659 jaunte
My kids are close to moving out, so I'm anticipating library room.
Right now it's my dining room.
books cover 3 walls.
LIterally.
767 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:35:55pm |
re: #755 ggt
Yeah, but it was a memorable line.
along with:
"first star to the right . . ."
Actually it was "second star to the right...". The line is borrowed from Peter Pan. That line is from Star Trek VI, which is a much better movie. Christopher Plummer made a great antagonist for Kirk.
768 | Silvergirl Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:35:56pm |
I've arrived late. What is the talk of turtles? Is it the candy or "Elenore, gee I think you're swell . . . "
769 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:36:33pm |
I'm amazed that so many people continue to insist that the founding fathers intended America to be a "Christian nation," when it is blindingly obvious that they specifically wrote the Constitution to prevent this from being the case. The separation of church and state was vitally important to those men; they had fled a Europe in which the consequences of enshrining a national religion were horribly clear, and this was one of the strongest imperatives they knew -- that they would do everything in their power to prevent it from happening in the New World.
Read the words of Thomas Jefferson if you don't understand this. Jefferson thought deeply about this subject.
So many people these days have forgotten these lessons, and want to return to a mythical religious country that never existed. Were the early settlers of America Christians for the most part, and did they attend church and pray? No one can argue otherwise. But they kept their worship separate from the concept of governance, because they knew from their own experience how disastrous it could be if America lost sight of its origins and reverted to religious rule.
770 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:36:36pm |
re: #756 NukeAtomrod
Yes. And, unfortunately, I am also seeing a pattern of behavior. Obama says "Don't be ridiculous. I am not a socialist. I don't want to control any banks or corporations." and simultaneously forces banks to take taxpayer money and dictates how the banks must behave and fires the CEO of GM and dictates what types of cars it can make and supports legislation to cap the salaries of all employees of all companies.
He's so blatantly dishonest, it's stunning. And he's still getting a pass on every news outlet, including FoxNews! I actually surprised every American isn't running around ranting like Glenn Beck huffing paint!
patience, patience....
771 | calcajun Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:36:51pm |
re: #767 Dark_Falcon
Actually it was "second star to the right...". The line is borrowed from Peter Pan. That line is from Star Trek VI, which is a much better movie. Christopher Plummer made a great antagonist for Kirk.
You need to get out more, too.//
772 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:36:55pm |
re: #745 Dark_Falcon
You're quoting Star Trek V? That movie was the worst of the Star Trek Movies.
Yet, you watched it...
On that topic, I'm looking forward to my DS9 dvd tonight. Next one up has got to be the LGF favourite: "In The Pale Moonlight".
"IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE" - the Romulan
773 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:36:58pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
And when will athletes have to do the same? I actually can remember when a family could go to a baseball game, and still have enough money to buy food for the next month. Bet some lizards are too young to remember those days!
Imagine if scientists were paid super star salaries for their research, as well as the research facilities.
Somehow our values have become skewered in a lot of cases.
774 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:37:03pm |
re: #747 Mich-again
Domestically produced Coke uses corn sweeteners instead of real sugar because our Government put a tariff on imported sugar.
That and the corn subsidies made HFCS cheaper.
Cane sugar tastes way better. Coke produces a "Kosher" mix in 2 liter bottles around Passover and can be identified by a yellow cap. No corn syrup.
775 | Desert Dog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:37:11pm |
A little OT
My Internet Security Suite expires next month. I currently use Kaspersky Internet Security. What do you fellow lizards use and can anyone recommend a good one? We have three laptops and a desktop here in the Dog House.
776 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:37:46pm |
re: #756 NukeAtomrod
And he's still getting a pass on every news outlet, including FoxNews!
What else can they do? They went so far into the tank for Marse Obama that they just can't quit cold turkey.
They'd have to back out real slow, if they were so inclined. But hey, Marse Obama speaks for, as well as to, them.
So why should they not give him a pass?
Man. You act like journalists are supposed to report news or something. They don't see it like that. They want to 'make a difference', and you can't very well do that by being at all conservative, now can you?
779 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:38:00pm |
re: #765 calcajun
There is a special place in Hell for Earl Butz and his plan to save the corn growers of America by making all food makers use that crap.
Pile the ADM and Monsanto execs (and similar ilk) and all of their Congressional stooges right in there in hell with Earl Butts.
780 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:38:19pm |
re: #773 NY Nana
And when will athletes have to do the same? I actually can remember when a family could go to a baseball game, and still have enough money to buy food for the next month. Bet some lizards are too young to remember those days!
Imagine if scientists were paid super star salaries for their research, as well as the research facilities.
Somehow our values have become skewered in a lot of cases.
Or teachers.
781 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:38:34pm |
Some thoughts on religion in politics from Barry Goldwater:
On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
-- Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)
782 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:38:34pm |
re: #774 Racer X
That and the corn subsidies made HFCS cheaper.
Cane sugar tastes way better. Coke produces a "Kosher" mix in 2 liter bottles around Passover and can be identified by a yellow cap. No corn syrup.
I'll be sure to buy a bottle.
783 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:38:48pm |
re: #775 Desert Dog
Honestly, I don't use anything and my comps run fine.
784 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:39:00pm |
re: #765 calcajun
There is a special place in Hell for Earl Butz and his plan to save the corn growers of America by making all food makers use that crap.
What is wrong with Corn Syrup?
785 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:39:02pm |
re: #764 Capitalist Tool
Did he actually ever say "I am not a Socialist" or just dodge the question by invoking GW Bush?
From a New York Times interview:
Q. The first six weeks have given people a glimpse of your spending priorities. Are you a socialist as some people have suggested?
A. You know, let’s take a look at the budget – the answer would be no.
787 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:39:12pm |
788 | Zimriel Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:39:41pm |
re: #775 Desert Dog
A little OT
My Internet Security Suite expires next month. I currently use Kaspersky Internet Security. What do you fellow lizards use and can anyone recommend a good one? We have three laptops and a desktop here in the Dog House.
Don't. Buy. Norton.
I've run BitDefender and, yes, Kaspersky and not had a problem... and AVG is free, so it's good assuming you're not spending all your time downloading leet warez.
789 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:40:00pm |
re: #769 Charles... and they had no need to look further than Salem for examples.
790 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:40:28pm |
re: #784 Racer X
Costs more than sugar, doesn't taste as good, and the price is supported by our taxes.
791 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:40:39pm |
re: #788 Zimriel
Don't. Buy. Norton.
Amen to that! Norton IS a virus if you ask anyone who's used it.
792 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:40:46pm |
re: #781 jaunte
Barry was da man. I am gonna have to swing by the library and check out that book Sharmuta keeps pestering us about. :)
793 | Gus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:40:54pm |
Guess I should post the video here.
Go to 4:06 to hear Newt Gingrich say:
"if we bow to the Saudi king, which the president [Obama] did, which I thought was frankly not very good when President Bush did it."
794 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:41:14pm |
re: #772 Zimriel
Yet, you watched it...
On that topic, I'm looking forward to my DS9 dvd tonight. Next one up has got to be the LGF favourite: "In The Pale Moonlight".
"IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE" - the Romulan
I've seen every Star Trek movie since Star Trek IV in the theater. I'm not a trekkie but I have enjoyed most of them.
795 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:41:33pm |
re: #773 NY Nana
And when will athletes have to do the same? I actually can remember when a family could go to a baseball game, and still have enough money to buy food for the next month. Bet some lizards are too young to remember those days!
Imagine if scientists were paid super star salaries for their research, as well as the research facilities.
Somehow our values have become skewered in a lot of cases.
Well thank you for not selling out & taking the $$ for selling carbon credits.
796 | Wishing Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:41:38pm |
re: #769 Charles
I'm amazed that so many people continue to insist that the founding fathers intended America to be a "Christian nation," when it is blindingly obvious that they specifically wrote the Constitution to prevent this from being the case. The separation of church and state was vitally important to those men; they had fled a Europe in which the consequences of enshrining a national religion were horribly clear, and this was one of the strongest imperatives they knew -- that they would do everything in their power to prevent it from happening in the New World.
Read the words of Thomas Jefferson if you don't understand this. Jefferson thought deeply about this subject.
So many people these days have forgotten these lessons, and want to return to a mythical religious country that never existed. Were the early settlers of America Christians for the most part, and did they attend church and pray? No one can argue otherwise. But they kept their worship separate from the concept of governance, because they knew from their own experience how disastrous it could be if America lost sight of its origins and reverted to religious rule.
Exactly Charles, yet just today I heard Hannity quoting on and on from Jefferson, I think, demanding that it was INTENDED to be Christian. That was surely their only point of reference, by experience, but they were rigorous in keeping this OUT of the Constitution.
797 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:41:38pm |
re: #747 Mich-again
Look for Coca Cola that has the kosher for Passover symbol on the cap. It is the real thing: sugar. It is usually sold out by now, though.
798 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:42:27pm |
re: #792 Slumbering Behemoth
Barry was da man. I am gonna have to swing by the library and check out that book Sharmuta keeps pestering us about. :)
799 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:42:31pm |
800 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:42:32pm |
re: #776 razorbacker
On this topic, I must admit naïveté. I just never learn.
801 | voluble Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:08pm |
I think Charles is just upset that Bambi didn't get one of those spiffy gold medals that Bush did. At least then we would have had something to stick in the treasury.
Speaking of sanity going out of style, I told my wife that if I ever say something as supremely absurd as "impeach my gas tank" to just go ahead and shoot me in the head because nothing in there could possibly be of any further use to me. WTF does that even mean?
Let's face it, Bush pushed back the tide of radical Islamism on several fronts. He tried to jump start our domestic energy production but the left in this country has decided that it is more important to take a 1 in a million chance at saving a single polar bear than it is to keep the price of energy down. That this would enrich our enemies, impoverish us and fund terrorism was of less concern to them. Obama is funding Hamas and playing footsy with the Iranians. Out of all of the churches in the US he chose to attend a virulently anti-semitic one that made no bones of its support for Hezbollah. Obama has no street cred when it comes to any issue but especially not when it comes to facing down Islamic radicalism or terrorism in general.
So yeah, when a guy with this history, who was raised in a madrassa no less (Saudi funded or not) bows his head to the keeper of Mecca it has an entirely different connotation. He may not be a Muslim but he has third world ideals and a third rate intellect. He simply isn't smart enough or self-aware enough to understand the symbolism of what he did... but you can bet it isn't lost on our enemies who have him pegged as the weak and feckless fool that his is.
That we have people on the right wanting to play gotcha games by trying (and so far failing) to find a picture of Bush bowing to the Saudi King so as to paint some moral equivalence between the two presidents is certainly every bit as insane as those who want to impeach Obama for being out of his depth. In fact, I would say it is more so.
Given the all out assault being waged on our economy, and the relentless pursuit of a radical death cult to obtain atomic weapons I would think we could find more important things to discuss.
802 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:17pm |
re: #793 Gus 802
Guess I should post the video here.
Go to 4:06 to hear Newt Gingrich say:
"if we bow to the Saudi king, which the president [Obama] did, which I thought was frankly not very good when President Bush did it."
Why- that damned RINO! Oh, wait.
803 | wee fury Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:18pm |
804 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:24pm |
re: #797 NY Nana
Look for Coca Cola that has the kosher for Passover symbol on the cap. It is the real thing: sugar. It is usually sold out by now, though.
I hope we have some for tomorrow night. My girlfriend did the shopping, I don't know if she got some.
805 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:25pm |
re: #738 itellu3times
A million droplets of bullshit become a rushing torrent nonsense.
- The Zen of Killgore
/Trout Ching
807 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:38pm |
re: #769 Charles
I'm amazed that so many people continue to insist that the founding fathers intended America to be a "Christian nation," when it is blindingly obvious that they specifically wrote the Constitution to prevent this from being the case. The separation of church and state was vitally important to those men; they had fled a Europe in which the consequences of enshrining a national religion were horribly clear, and this was one of the strongest imperatives they knew -- that they would do everything in their power to prevent it from happening in the New World.
Read the words of Thomas Jefferson if you don't understand this. Jefferson thought deeply about this subject.
So many people these days have forgotten these lessons, and want to return to a mythical religious country that never existed. Were the early settlers of America Christians for the most part, and did they attend church and pray? No one can argue otherwise. But they kept their worship separate from the concept of governance, because they knew from their own experience how disastrous it could be if America lost sight of its origins and reverted to religious rule.
Gee, Charles, you're just askin' for more love letters.
Ding+!
808 | ArchangelMichael Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:43:52pm |
re: #772 Zimriel
Yet, you watched it...
On that topic, I'm looking forward to my DS9 dvd tonight. Next one up has got to be the LGF favourite: "In The Pale Moonlight".
"IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE" - the Romulan
That was definitely one of the better DS9 episodes.
809 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:18pm |
re: #798 Sharmuta
That's the one. I'm gonna hafta hit the library website and see if they have a copy.
810 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:20pm |
re: #791 bosforus
Amen to that! Norton IS a virus if you ask anyone who's used it.
I use Norton, and I've always liked it.
811 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:21pm |
re: #788 Zimriel
Don't. Buy. Norton.
I've run BitDefender and, yes, Kaspersky and not had a problem... and AVG is free, so it's good assuming you're not spending all your time downloading leet warez.
I second the Norton sentiment...
free AVG is now v8.5, but dl's can be tricky - it's very easy to dl a subscription version.
Malwarebytes' mbam.exe is almost a must- have tool against current threats.
812 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:24pm |
re: #799 Slumbering Behemoth
My UFO death cult beats your neo-nazi ethnic nationalism
/itchin' for a fight
813 | Gus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:29pm |
re: #802 Sharmuta
Why- that damned RINO! Oh, wait.
Incoming! Yeah, when I heard that this morning I did a double take. Newt Gingirch said what? Was bored and watching some Fox News videos online.
814 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:44:53pm |
re: #807 jcm
Gee, Charles, you're just askin' for more love letters.
Ding+!
Ya know what a "love letter is?" (David Lynch's Blue Velvet)
815 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:45:34pm |
re: #812 Killgore Trout
My UFO death cult beats your neo-nazi ethnic nationalism
/itchin' for a fight
FACT.
816 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:45:38pm |
re: #793 Gus 802
Guess I should post the video here.
Go to 4:06 to hear Newt Gingrich say:
"if we bow to the Saudi king, which the president [Obama] did, which I thought was frankly not very good when President Bush did it."
Obviously Newt Gingrich is a RINO. I think we should organize a hate mail campaign.
Or maybe I could forward all the hate mail I've gotten for saying the same damned thing.
817 | Racer X Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:18pm |
re: #797 NY Nana
Look for Coca Cola that has the kosher for Passover symbol on the cap. It is the real thing: sugar. It is usually sold out by now, though.
Yellow Cap looks to be the identifier for the "Passover" Coke with sugar.
818 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:23pm |
re: #794 Dark_Falcon
I've seen every Star Trek movie since Star Trek IV in the theater. I'm not a trekkie but I have enjoyed most of them.
What is that quote- "Grow long and prosper"... no wait- that was a "Debbie Does-" or something.
nevermind
819 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:24pm |
re: #801 voluble
You're a dork that has completely missed the point, and apparently has trouble reading.
820 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:25pm |
re: #814 Walter L. Newton
Does anyone appreciate Blue Velvet anymore? I haven't seen it in a really long time. Does it still hold up?
821 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:27pm |
re: #810 Dark_Falcon
I use Norton, and I've always liked it.
Well then I stand corrected. But every computer I've seen it removed from (about 4 comps) run blissfully faster without it. But I suppose I will now start saying, Anyone who's used Norton, excluding Dark_Falcon, says Norton IS a virus.
822 | rawmuse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:46:52pm |
re: #806 Iron Fist
Randy Weaver learned that one the hard way.
823 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:47:08pm |
re: #801 voluble
And another Troll insults the host. It's alright, gives us each an extra portion of Gamey Buttocks. I've got some Coca-Cola made with sugar, so now all we need is the chips.
824 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:47:19pm |
re: #815 Walter L. Newton
It's tough to beat a ufo death cult.
825 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:47:27pm |
re: #820 Killgore Trout
Does anyone appreciate Blue Velvet anymore? I haven't seen it in a really long time. Does it still hold up?
Does for me, I have it. I don't know, I haven't showed it to anyone new in years, I need to take it out and try it on a few people.
826 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:47:37pm |
re: #748 Walter L. Newton
Wrong... this guy sort of forced it, but he came up with the idea first, at least in recorded history...
"The first monotheist in history seems to be the penultimate Hyksos King of Avaris, named Apophis, who took Sutheck (Set) to be his sole deity, and enforced this god on the population by means of banning worship of all other gods, and allowing the sacred animals of the Egyptians to be killed. Following the second intermediate period, Akhnaton replicated the monotheism of Apothis but with the Aten disk as the one-god of monotheism."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I'm no historian but I believe that traditional Jewish dating makes Abraham as old or older than those guys. Besides, they worshipped nature and objects, not a spiritual God. And anyways, Moses kicked Pharaoh's ass.
827 | Gus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:47:53pm |
re: #816 Charles
Obviously Newt Gingrich is a RINO. I think we should organize a hate mail campaign.
Or maybe I could forward all the hate mail I've gotten for saying the same damned thing.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe now we can disperse some of the accusations you've been getting. Now we gave Gingrich on the record saying the same thing.
829 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:48:23pm |
830 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:48:33pm |
re: #820 Killgore Trout
Does anyone appreciate Blue Velvet anymore? I haven't seen it in a really long time. Does it still hold up?
My copy is backed up twice and holding up pretty well.
831 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:48:48pm |
re: #788 Zimriel
Don't. Buy. Norton.
I've run BitDefender and, yes, Kaspersky and not had a problem... and AVG is free, so it's good assuming you're not spending all your time downloading leet warez.
I don't think AVG is free anymore, but I use it (5 systems to protect, and they were the only ones with a good price for a 5 system license). I've had few problems, and they are usually responsive for support. Not always.
My newer machine came with McAfee, and has given me more trouble than AVG. I've had to reinstall it once (although that problem might be due to Vista; the problem was, Vista didn't think McAfee was working, but McAfee's tech support said it was).
Every so often, McAfee thinks it needs a reboot, and rebooting doesn't solve it. I have to edit the Registry to fix it.
I used Kaspersky with Parallels on my Mac until the license ran out (it comes with Parallels), and it was good. It also found stuff in email archives that AVG didn't.
832 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:49:02pm |
re: #818 Capitalist Tool
What is that quote- "Grow long and prosper"... no wait- that was a "Debbie Does-" or something.
nevermind
SMACK!
833 | Dianna Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:49:03pm |
835 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:49:13pm |
re: #825 Walter L. Newton
That's one I should rewatch. I'm sure Eraser Head will still hold up. Not sure about Blue Velvet. If nothing else Lynch was a genius of his time.
836 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:49:58pm |
re: #821 bosforus
Well then I stand corrected. But every computer I've seen it removed from (about 4 comps) run blissfully faster without it. But I suppose I will now start saying, Anyone who's used Norton, excluding Dark_Falcon, says Norton IS a virus.
I hope I did not offend. I was just giving my 2 cents.
837 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:50:01pm |
re: #775 Desert Dog
McAfee is pretty much like listerein, tastes awful but works.
838 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:50:09pm |
re: #820 Killgore Trout
Does anyone appreciate Blue Velvet anymore? I haven't seen it in a really long time. Does it still hold up?
Er, I just checked, I don't have it. It must have gone south after one of the marriages, don't remember which one. When did that movie come out on DVD, that would help me date which ex got it.
840 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:50:51pm |
re: #831 Kosh's Shadow
AVG was still free as of last month, when I downloaded it onto this machine.
They'd like for you to buy a copy, but there is still a free version.
841 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:51:07pm |
re: #834 Sharmuta
I don't know if I'd endorse Newt on anything these days. I'm not sure what direction he's headed.
842 | traderjoe9 Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:51:15pm |
re: #826 Spare O'Lake
I'm no historian but I believe that traditional Jewish dating makes Abraham as old or older than those guys. Besides, they worshipped nature and objects, not a spiritual God. And anyways, Moses kicked Pharaoh's ass.
Monotheism is very wide a category; there are many subcategories to it. It wouldn't be prudent to compare Judaism with the purportedly monotheistic religions that preceded it. Their concept of the singular 'God,' (like you said) even if in accordance with the required requisites to be in the monotheist religion club, is completely and radically different that that of Judaisms.
844 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:51:22pm |
re: #835 Killgore Trout
Full frontal of Isabella Rossellini back in the day? Footage like that always holds up.
845 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:51:36pm |
re: #797 NY Nana
Look for Coca Cola that has the kosher for Passover symbol on the cap. It is the real thing: sugar. It is usually sold out by now, though.
Wait! Corn isn't kosher? I did not know that.
846 | Sharmuta Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:51:53pm |
re: #841 Killgore Trout
I don't know if I'd endorse Newt on anything these days. I'm not sure what direction he's headed.
It's not endorsing to show the man saying the same thing.
847 | stevieray Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:52:04pm |
re: #775 Desert Dog
A little OT
My Internet Security Suite expires next month. I currently use Kaspersky Internet Security. What do you fellow lizards use and can anyone recommend a good one? We have three laptops and a desktop here in the Dog House.
Mine (Zone Alarm Security Suite) expires next week. Today I dumped it from my XP desktop and Vista laptop. I pick up Kaspersky on a 30 trial.
I wouldn't recommend Zone Alarm. It has a nasty habit of corrupting its database, which means you must uninstall it and reinstall it. And that means it has to relearn all of your routines... a whole lot of pop-up bubbles to click.
Why are you dumping Kaspersky?
848 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:52:12pm |
re: #840 razorbacker
AVG was still free as of last month, when I downloaded it onto this machine.
They'd like for you to buy a copy, but there is still a free version.
OK. I thought they dropped the free version. Is it 7 or 8? 7.0 was great; 7.5 was s.l.o.w and 8.0 got fast again.
849 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:52:20pm |
re: #844 Slumbering Behemoth
Good point. I retract my skepticism.
850 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:11pm |
re: #780 Sharmuta
Or teachers.
Good point....and for RN's, who are leaving the field in droves despite a much higher salary than I earned...total burnout because of what has happened to our hospitals since Shrillary started her super secret 'health care plan' as First No Lady...and that MD's are now also thinking of another career in fear of what Hussein will do.
We still have the very best health care, but for how long? I have heard horror stories about people with insurance having to pay up front for any hospital procedure, while illegals only have to walk into an ER, and get top notch care.
Veterans are being screwed, and those who are unemployed? May G-d help them.
This is not a brave new world..it is being turned into the old USSR by Hussein and his buddies.
Sorry for the rant, but it in only April 7, 2009....and he has enough time to destroy our country. He certainly seems determined to do it.
851 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:23pm |
re: #848 Kosh's Shadow
OK. I thought they dropped the free version. Is it 7 or 8? 7.0 was great; 7.5 was s.l.o.w and 8.0 got fast again.
8.0
852 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:28pm |
re: #836 Dark_Falcon
I hope I did not offend. I was just giving my 2 cents.
Ha ha ha, you did not offend at all! I was just having fun with it. If Norton's working great for you then by all means recommend it and say so! You did not offend. I think maybe my intended humor was just being a little too dry. Sorry 'bout that. :)
853 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:30pm |
re: #844 Slumbering Behemoth
Full frontal of Isabella Rossellini back in the day? Footage like that always holds up.
Yep.
854 | brookly red Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:35pm |
855 | WindHorse Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:53:38pm |
re: #843 Sharmuta
(I think Dennis Hopper's name was Frank...)
856 | Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:54:15pm |
re: #846 Sharmuta
It's just my paranoia. I'm looking crossways at everybody these days. Newt, tea parties, 3rd parties, Paulian economics.
It'll get better once I start smoking pot again.
857 | bosforus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:54:26pm |
I don't normally put myself into this conversation but the John Adams quote:
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
I don't know the original source for this either so I don't know its context but I haven't heard this quote addressed by "the other side" of the argument. I know it says nothing about Christianity but I'd still like to hear some thoughts about it.
858 | SFTech Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:54:40pm |
re: #797 NY Nana
They wanted a Christian nation NOT a Christian controlled government like the Church of England. There is a huge difference between keeping religion out of public office and getting rid of all together.
It seems like we've accepted the absurd as normal but normal and moral is not allowed.
I can get a sex change paid for by the City of San Francisco, but I can't get into office if I state I'm a Christian?
Our supervisors don't want the military to recruit on campuses but we can have transgender bathrooms?
Oh yeah, dedicated Muslim prayer rooms but if it was a Christian prayer room they would burn it down.
When the sick and perverse take over there is no room for God, because religion sets boundaries and limits on acceptable actions.
859 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:54:46pm |
re: #835 Killgore Trout
That's one I should rewatch. ... If nothing else Lynch was a genius of his time.
True enough and then some, but WTH is the deal with Inland Empire?
860 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:54:51pm |
861 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:55:00pm |
864 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:55:36pm |
re: #848 Kosh's Shadow
OK. I thought they dropped the free version. Is it 7 or 8? 7.0 was great; 7.5 was s.l.o.w and 8.0 got fast again.
8.5 is current v- it's still free but take care to not dl paid v.
865 | Desert Dog Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:55:52pm |
re: #847 stevieray
Mine (Zone Alarm Security Suite) expires next week. Today I dumped it from my XP desktop and Vista laptop. I pick up Kaspersky on a 30 trial.
I wouldn't recommend Zone Alarm. It has a nasty habit of corrupting its database, which means you must uninstall it and reinstall it. And that means it has to relearn all of your routines... a whole lot of pop-up bubbles to click.
Why are you dumping Kaspersky?
I'm not, yet. I was just curious what everyone else used. Kaspersky has been pretty good....no problems at all. My only complaint is the time it takes to do a system scan....hours sometimes.
866 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:56:06pm |
Good night folks, I'm gone to snuggle up with my shotgun wife.
868 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:57:31pm |
re: #804 Walter L. Newton
Good luck! It sells out very fast every year, but we don't buy it, as we are both diabetics, and our family and friend understand. They stick with the diet stuff at the Seders and during the year.
I should be doing some cooking now, but am on a break. ;)
869 | Dar ul Harb Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:57:50pm |
Just to point out the irony, folks ban handguns, and so now other folks are substituting shotguns. (Coach guns, even.)
Sort of like the 10-round magazine limit in the "assault weapons" ban drove some folks to bigger caliber pistols.
870 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:58:19pm |
re: #850 NY Nana
Nana, I am a PA working in ortho for 20 years now.
I could go on for freakin days. The public has no idea. None at all.
Not only the bullshit, and the horror stories, but everyone has one of those g-d-damned family and medical leave act forms now.
Got a carbuncle on your ass? FMLA form.
871 | jcm Tue, Apr 7, 2009 8:58:36pm |
re: #827 Gus 802
That's what I was thinking. Maybe now we can disperse some of the accusations you've been getting. Now we gave Gingrich on the record saying the same thing.
That would mean no more "We Got Mail" threads!
:-(
873 | Gus Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:00:07pm |
re: #871 jcm
That would mean no more "We Got Mail" threads!
:-(
I kind of like those. Now I'm going to get the emails! No wait. :)
874 | Capitalist Tool Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:00:17pm |
re: #870 formercorpsman
Nana, I am a PA working in ortho for 20 years now.
I could go on for freakin days. The public has no idea. None at all.
Not only the bullshit, and the horror stories, but everyone has one of those g-d-damned family and medical leave act forms now.
Got a carbuncle on your ass? FMLA form.
What's a carbuncle, anyhow?
875 | stevieray Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:00:34pm |
re: #865 Desert Dog
I'm not, yet. I was just curious what everyone else used. Kaspersky has been pretty good....no problems at all. My only complaint is the time it takes to do a system scan....hours sometimes.
I think those long scans are par for the course. For the past two weeks, I've been looking at the options, and as part of my research, I always check out the user forums... see what the current users of the suite are complaining about.
Every thinks their antivirus scan takes too long... literally every user forum has many complaints about that. I guess its because there are a lot of viruses to check for, and a lot of files to check.
878 | reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:02:14pm |
879 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:03:05pm |
re: #851 razorbacker
8.0
Good, then. I have the full version, which checks web sites, etc., but that is just a bonus; I paid because my wife is in business, and the free version isn't for commercial use.
880 | realwest Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:03:58pm |
re: #781 jaunte
Hi juante - nothing as good as quoting a classic - and Barry Goldwater was a classic conservative. I miss his honesty, his rigorous applications of his core principles to himself and to those who professed to want to politically, be on his side.
And of course his sense of humor. Geez, Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley Jr. truly represented the best of Conservatism in this country.
No "religious right", no fascists, just an adherence to integrity, personal morality, small government, low taxes, a (relatively - they were both wealthy men) level playing field, strong individual initiative and responsibility, and a strong national defense.
Now we have CEO's of large Life Insurance Companies sticking their mitts out for a TARP congressional handout (I put that story in the spin-off links). Not to mention all of the other folks looking to glom onto the "free money" government - at least in Obama's (and Pelosi and Reid's) government seem all to willing to give them for a price to be named later.
881 | formercorpsman Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:17pm |
re: #874 Capitalist Tool
Actually, it is not very much fun at all. It is a line from some comedian years ago that always stuck in my memory bank. I like it for no specific reason, other than I like the way it sounds.
I will say however, everyone has an FMLA form.
You should like one up sometime, and see how many times the government can ask the same question 6 different ways.
882 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:36pm |
re: #875 stevieray
I think those long scans are par for the course. For the past two weeks, I've been looking at the options, and as part of my research, I always check out the user forums... see what the current users of the suite are complaining about.
Every thinks their antivirus scan takes too long... literally every user forum has many complaints about that. I guess its because there are a lot of viruses to check for, and a lot of files to check.
Exactly.
Look at how many files get scanned! 500 GB drives just have a lot of data. And those aren't exactly large nowadays.
At least the computer is still usable during a scan; it used to make the system so slow I'd have to run it when I wasn't using the computer.
883 | acwgusa Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:04:44pm |
Any bets if I see my Tesla Model S, or my $5000 back from Mr. Musk, come 2011?
885 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:05:33pm |
re: #848 Kosh's Shadow
I just put in 8.5 the other day (free) and so far, so good.
886 | realwest Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:06:07pm |
re: #791 bosforus Uh, no, I've used Norton Internet Security Suite for about 4 years now and have (knock on wood) never been infected.
888 | jaunte Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:07:10pm |
re: #880 realwest
Hi realwest - I hope one of our younger conservatives can be inspired by his example. It's rare to find a politician that says what they think.
890 | JimmyTheClaw Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:42pm |
re: #56 Charles
Lots of hate mail coming in today. I've been a bad, bad conservative.
remember its the quality of the hate mail not the quantity
891 | stevieray Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:11:43pm |
re: #886 realwest
Uh, no, I've used Norton Internet Security Suite for about 4 years now and have (knock on wood) never been infected.
The latest version of Norton gets really good reviews from the pc mags and websites. That's a big change -- they used to get panned pretty harshly. They say its smaller and lighter than it used to be.
894 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:24:47pm |
re: #892 Iron Fist
I saw an interesting court ruling the other day that seems to legalize automatic weapons. Don't remember where, I'll look and see if I can find it again.
895 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:27:07pm |
re: #870 formercorpsman
G-d bless you. No, the public does not know, and they are in for a very rude awakening. When I was diagnosed as a Type 2 (actually a Type 1 1/2; I am on 2 different insulins for the rest of my life, and also on tight control) 14 or so years ago? My Endocrinologist would give me a thorough check up every 12 weeks, and then have me come into his office to chat. Now? 5 minutes if I am lucky. The practice has grown so much that there are 4 Endocrinologists, and they really could use a moving walkway.
My husband is also a diabetic now...I actually diagnosed him. Thank G-d he is on no oral med or insulin...just tight control and a wife who gives him 'The Look'....and he never paid the bill I sent him for diagnosing him so early on ;)....his blood glucose was around 144 when I picked up on it literally through a misunderstanding, while mine was well over 400. We both have a lot of Type 2's in our families.
And with Shrillary's Noah's Ark theory re specialists? We are short so many Endocrinologist during what is nearly an epidemic. Too many people have to go to a family practitioner, as there are no Endocrinologists nearby.
Obstetricians? In some areas, women have to go out of state, as the insurance they pay is so exorbitant that they can no longer pay it, and just practice being GYN's.
Medication prices are obscenely high, far more than they should be due to the lobbyists and also the damned adverts on TV, radio, newspapers and magazines....a patient walks in with the name of a new med, asks for a script, and gets it, in place of a talk with the MD.
It will take years after the regime of The One and Shrill to fix the mess they are making. All of us will pay for it...some with our lives. Uh, make that decades. I fear for my kids and grandkids, and am waiting for The One to have my husband and me consigned to an ice flow in Alaska...we are now in our early 70's.
And people like you will be so stressed out and over-burdened that you will look for another field of employment, thus losing the best of the best.
897 | NY Nana Tue, Apr 7, 2009 9:41:25pm |
re: #817 Racer X
Aaaaagh! I forgot that one little matter! Thanks for the enlightenment. ;)
899 | razorbacker Tue, Apr 7, 2009 10:01:15pm |
re: #898 Iron Fist
I seem to recall that this was a recent Volkokh Conspiracy post. I'm having a hell of a time finding it, though.
They referenced Miller, IIRC.
900 | stuiec Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:05:44am |
re: #444 ggt
Can the energy from the Sun produce the tangible products we rely on every day? This is about a lot more than energy. Sure, we can find subsitutes for plastics etc, but will they be affordable in the quanitity we need them.
If the demand for oil for energy drops to zero, it means the Earth's remaining oil reserves can be devoted to chemical feedstocks.
And if you postulate an abundant supply of cheap energy, you don't have to worry about substitutes for plastics. You can synthesize long-chain hydrocarbons whenever you need them. And if I recall correctly, the component molecules of polymers like polyester and polystyrene have short carbon chains.
901 | formercorpsman Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:12am |
902 | wrenchwench Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:25am |
Congratulations, Charles. I get the paper version of this publication, and they are kind of a two-headed cat themselves. Generally, "hispanics" tend toward the liberal, while business people tend toward the conservative, so the need for balance is prominent. Then there are the pro-diversity ones who argue that hiring from a foreign country doesn't count. Their coverage of Alberto Gonzales was nuanced. Quite the balancing act. With pratfalls.