voting for this guy

Newt also accepts climate change. What a heretic!

/extreme sarc

Curse you, Newton Leroy McPherson!

re: #1 SpaceJesus

voting for this guy

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that about you.

Oh noes!1! Mai purfeck consurvtiv wurld iz falls apart!1!
/

Thanks for the hat tip Charles.

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

re: #4 Sharmuta

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that about you.

Stop, stop, stop, leave him alone, just like he is, alone.

Bowing to bad guys is wrong no matter who does it. I thought it was simple enough... Oh well.

Obama did not bow. He was just talking out of his ass. Nothing to see here.

I pray for Newt.

re: #4 Sharmuta

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that about you.

I've said in many threads I support Newt, and that he's the only GOP candidate who isn't a creationist, super social conservative nut

re: #7 Capitalist Tool

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

How do you gauge his sincerity?

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

Konstitution haz been eated!

re: #7 Capitalist Tool

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

I tend to agree with you. he sits around in the background, and comes out when it's safe and makes some pronouncement, and then slithers back.

And to much baggage from his past, the wife/cancer/divorce/girlfriend thing was a little too icky for me.

I liked Newt better when he was a conservative Baptist.

Maybe I should forward all the hate mail I’ve received to Newt. He’s obviously a RINO, not a true conservative, bent on splitting the GOP apart, an Obama lover, unable to admit he’s wrong, a moron, a closet socialist, etc. etc.

You left out that he secretly wishes Obama got a medal, too.

Tea Party!

re: #7 Capitalist Tool

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

Thank you for putting my feelings into words. I hadn't yet been able to do it.

re: #7 Capitalist Tool

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

I have to disagree. I've watched some of his historical lectures, and he's a very smart man. Have I been disappointed by him in the past? Sure, but I don't expect perfection. He needs to address some key issues in my book, but I would never knock his abilities.

The only reason Bush *ticked off the whole world* is because he was a man. A real man, not some wimpy community organizer, for petes sake. A man of integrity and grit. He withstood the onslaught of every whack-job out there, and did it with dignity and grace. Chutzpah under fire.

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

Ron Paul!

/wait, we did this already

To bed... If I don't see any of you, have a good Passover tomorrow, I will be spending my first passover in a long time with my girlfriend and some new friends. It should be very exciting for me.

Palin/Gingrich '12

(Just to see the donks' eyes bug out.)

re: #21 Wishing

How many Jihadis got their raisins because of Bush? Lots.

re: #22 Slumbering Behemoth

Glitch in the matrix.

re: #22 Slumbering Behemoth

Glitch in the matrix.

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

To bed... If I don't see any of you, have a good Passover tomorrow, I will be spending my first passover in a long time with my girlfriend and some new friends. It should be very exciting for me.

Have a great time, Walter.

He’s obviously a RINO, not a true conservative, bent on splitting the GOP apart, an Obama lover, unable to admit he’s wrong, a moron, a closet socialist, etc. etc.

Talk about a "kill the bearer of bad news" syndrome! ;-)

Just because Newt said President Bush bowed to the king doesn't make it gospel.

Okay Charles. Now you're doing it on purpose. How juvenile.

/ Just kidding of course. And making a vague reference to The Tick episode The Uncommon Cold.

re: #24 Dar ul Harb

Palin/Gingrich '12

(Just to see the donks' eyes bug out.)

Newt, Romney '12

Sarah Palin for curator of the Creationist Museum

The thing that gets me about this one is how O'Reilly and Gingrich act like they have revelations about Europe. Europe's been that way except for brief spurts since history began, everyone looking out for their own tribal or parochial interests, and trying to appease or buy off their enemies. (The Romans come to mind, the bribes paid to the barbary pirates come to mind.) Anyway it's cool that even the Populist pundits are in agreement with Charles on the bowing thing. I also got downdinged when I first posted this in spinoffs.

Newt is a genius. I used to respect him, until I heard his pathetic views on global warming. That finished it for me.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Glitch in the matrix.

Don't make me go Neo on your ass, Agent Kilgore.

re: #24 Dar ul Harb

Palin/Gingrich '12

(Just to see the donks' eyes bug out.)

I say:

Gingrich/Bolton '12

That way, we'll have a candidate that can intelligently articulate conservative values, and a running make that can scare them into the electorate with his frightening mustache.

Bush didn't bow. He ducked!

/shoe thrower

re: #32 SpaceJesus

Speak o' de debbil.

re: #7 Capitalist Tool

Gingrich is a total opportunist political hack who happens to be glib and correct on occasion, not that he ever really means what he says.

Er? Really? I thought he was a fairly strong conservative and all around swell guy.

The Colliding Spiral Galaxies of Arp 274

re: #33 Thanos

The thing that gets me about this one is how O'Reilly and Gingrich act like they have revelations about Europe. Europe's been that way except for brief spurts since history began, everyone looking out for their own tribal or parochial interests, and trying to appease or buy off their enemies. (The Romans come to mind, the bribes paid to the barbary pirates come to mind.) Anyway it's cool that even the Populist pundits are in agreement with Charles on the bowing thing. I also got downdinged when I first posted this in spinoffs.

Did you get down dinged? I mentioned it twice in the previous thread and thought that might happen. I saw this video this morning online and thought about it again about 15 minutes ago.

re: #32 SpaceJesus

Newt, Romney '12

Sarah Palin for curator of the Creationist Museum

SpaceJesus for Court Jester.

Oh, that's right, he's not funny. Well, we can still throw things at him.

//

At least you're not in jail, Charles!
(I've been, and that's what I say to myself when I need cheering up)

You should listen to some Railroad Earth. Usually uplifting.

I recently did a bit of homework on Newt. In the past he was very supportive of science- formed the first scientific caucus on Capitol Hill. Helped get science funding to a lot of research institutes, and was even awarded prizes by some of them for his help.

He's also written books recently on God in the public square, coming from a historical perspective. While I wonder if it isn't some pandering to the Religious Right, I didn't see where he was wrong that the "Creator" was invoked during our Founding.

That said- I'd still like some clarification on his comments concerning ID, and what his thoughts are on reviving the Balanced Budget Amendment. That he recently converted to Catholicism bothers me not in the least. It's the only Christian denomination that's been growing in recent years. There might be a reason why.

Yeah, Bush bow, Bama bow,

But Ojoe, he no bow.

Remember -- Bush did not bow!

He inclined from the waist, with both hands at his sides, in order to receive a medal!

And that's way different!

The more I listen to O'Reilly, the dumber he sounds. He is intelligent and talented in his own way, you cannot achieve what he has without having some of that. But, his grasp (or lack thereof) of the issues is staggering in it's ignorance.

re: #24 Dar ul Harb

Palin/Gingrich '12

(Just to see the donks' eyes bug out.)

That would do it.

re: #45 Ojoe

Yeah, Bush bow, Bama bow,

But Ojoe, he no bow.

Add Desert Dog to the list of people that will never bow down to a Saudi Tyrant.

I'm a Palin supporter. Put me up against the wall. I'll go down fighting. And I don't care/haven't bothered to watch the Gingrich video. I didn't have a chance to comment on Charles' (anti) Palin thread before it died.

re: #46 Charles

Yup. And a blow job ain't sex, either.
/

re: #1 SpaceJesus

voting for this guy

On the basis of one statement, without thinking about everything Newt's said and done?

No, I don't suggest you do so.

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

I say:

Gingrich/Bolton '12

That way, we'll have a candidate that can intelligently articulate conservative values, and a running make that can scare them into the electorate with his frightening mustache.

Last President with any facial hair was Taft. It's time to bring it back in style.

re: #44 Sharmuta

Of course the Creator was invoked, in the Declaration of Independence is the very word Creator, in the second sentence, and capitalized too.

re: #44 Sharmuta

That he recently converted to Catholicism bothers me not in the least. It's the only Christian denomination that's been growing in recent years. There might be a reason why.

Catholics are far more normal than most denominations in their stance

"American Catholics are more liberal than the general population on homosexuality, divorce, and premarital sex, despite the Catholic Church’s official stance on those issues. 54% of Catholics say homosexual relations are morally acceptable, compared with 45% of non-Catholics. 71% of Catholics approve of divorce, compared with 66% of non-Catholics. 67% of Catholics say premarital sex is morally acceptable, compared with 57% of non-Catholics."

[Link: www.theweek.com...]

still needs work though

re: #39 NukeAtomrod

Er? Really? I thought he was a fairly strong conservative and all around swell guy.

Not really.

re: #52 Dianna

On the basis of one statement, without thinking about everything Newt's said and done?

No, I don't suggest you do so.

I've been watching this Newt person for a long time. He is the chosen one.

re: #50 obscured by clouds

Anti-Palin thread? I don't believe I've seen that one.

re: #13 jaunte

How do you gauge his sincerity?

I've watched him take the wrong side (against his own historical viewpoints) exactly too many times to put much faith in him again. Still, he is such a fascinating speaker that he nearly wins me back, and then does something else which reminds me that he's a xxx... but that's just my take... I'm not a party- liner by any means, but Newt's had too many of the kind of reversals that mark him, for me, as being one of those pols who play it for the current audience. He seems to always be running his own polling charts while speaking and then adjusting as he goes 'til the numbers go up.

re: #20 Sharmuta

I have to disagree. I've watched some of his historical lectures, and he's a very smart man. Have I been disappointed by him in the past? Sure, but I don't expect perfection. He needs to address some key issues in my book, but I would never knock his abilities.

I didn't knock his abilities- he is a potent speaker- indeed too clever by a wide margin. I could care less about his personal foibles. They mark a man to be sure, but I'll not pick up a stone for that...

re: #46 Charles

Remember -- Bush did not bow!

He inclined from the waist, with both hands at his sides, in order to receive a medal!

And that's way different!

Can I just take cover under my desk?

I agree with you, but when I point it out, my Male uses "vocal emphasis" to disagree.

I like you, Charles, but I have to live with my Male!

E means empty.

O means overcharge.

re: #50 obscured by clouds

I think it's amazing, the intensity of peoples reactions to the entrance of Sarah Palin into presidential politics.

Holy Crap - Charles' quoting Newt Gingrich favorably?!
Even if only a little part of what Newt had to say?
I can hardly believe my eyes!
There is SO LITTLE I agree with Newt about that I am truly astounded!
It's all that stress involved with moving, isn't it Charles?
/

re: #50 obscured by clouds

What, out of that post, would you characterize as anti-Palin?

re: #33 Thanos

The thing that gets me about this one is how O'Reilly and Gingrich act like they have revelations about Europe. Europe's been that way except for brief spurts since history began, everyone looking out for their own tribal or parochial interests, and trying to appease or buy off their enemies. (The Romans come to mind, the bribes paid to the barbary pirates come to mind.) Anyway it's cool that even the Populist pundits are in agreement with Charles on the bowing thing. I also got downdinged when I first posted this in spinoffs.

You forgot to add that they're all inbred and xenophobic.

reference post #50...I dont even know why I'm bringing up Palin in this thread. I'm just in an in-your-face mood tonight. Sorry, folks, and I shouldn't have called you out, Charles. My bad.

re: #57 SpaceJesus

I've been watching this Newt person for a long time. He is the chosen one.

You have a distinctly sick sense of humor.

re: #57 SpaceJesus

I've been watching this Newt person for a long time. He is the chosen one.

There is no chosen one. Just the best candidate.

re: #50 obscured by clouds

Nice handle. So wots, uh the deal?

Newt, I can feel you lurking, ... what's your nic?

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup. And a blow job ain't sex, either.
/

That's my take on it.

*Honest, Sweetheart, I thought that I'd been snakebit. That sweet girl was trying to save my life.*

re: #54 Ojoe

Of course the Creator was invoked, in the Declaration of Independence is the very word Creator, in the second sentence, and capitalized too.

The book focused a lot on buildings in DC where you can see these words carved in stone. There is something to be said about the historical record, but it gets obfuscated by opportunists. I think those complaining of persecution on both sides of the debate are taking it too far. I don't care either way if I'm told "Happy Holidays" OR "Merry Christmas". People need to chill.

Anyone keeping track of the rather messy aftermath of the Ted Stevens trial?

Reuters insists that the prosecutorial misconduct is...

wait for it...
wait for it...

ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

Wrap your lizard-ey minds around this:

A U.S. judge threw out a corruption verdict against former Republican Senator Ted Stevens on Tuesday and ordered a criminal probe into "shocking" Justice Department misconduct, in a blow to a legal system marred by accusations of Bush administration abuses.

[snip]

The ruling is another stain on the Justice Department which was riven with accusations that it had become overly politicized under former President George W. Bush and that it violated people's rights and bungled high-profile cases.

It came as Attorney General Eric Holder seeks to restore the department's reputation and reverse legal policies formulated during the Bush administration.

All that's missing is comparing former senator Ted Stevens to mass-murdering jihadis...

BUT WAIT!

Prosecutors have a duty to disclose such evidence whether their cases involve "a public official, a private citizen or a Guantanamo Bay detainee," Sullivan said.

I don't remember Reuters bitching about how politicized Tom DeLay's indictment seemed. I'm also wondering what the voting record of the prosecutors might be...I mean the MSM was more than willing to tell us the cop-kiler in Pittsburgh voted McCain/Palin...

re: #71 itellu3times

Newt, I can feel you lurking, ... what's your nic?

hello

re: #71 itellu3times

Newt, I can feel you lurking, ... what's your nic?

It's time everyone should know the truth...Newt is SpaceJesus

* Verbatim quotes from the dozens of hate mails I’ve received for pointing out that G. W. Bush was just as obsequious to the Saudis as Barack Obama was.

What is it with the hate mail uptick? Anyone else been experiencing this? Over, what seems to me, rather trivial stances or statements? Over the last week I personally haven't gotten any hate mail about the O-bow-ma, but I have gotten hate mail about autism, marijuana, bisexuality and (the old standby) Mohammed pictures.

Listen, folks: if you don't like someone's opinion, just ignore them. Why get all hot and bothered?

re: #74 Fenway_Nation

No way.

re: #62 Bumr50

I think it's amazing, the intensity of peoples reactions to the entrance of Sarah Palin into presidential politics.

I will say, my response has been colored by the quite open misogyny of some responses to her. To say nothing of the truly petty, the snotty, and the elitist responses.

The governor herself seems to me fairly competent, just in need of some seasoning, and I want a real clarification of her views on science education.

What do you know, that rock is still bleeding.

If we want our leaders to not have to pander to and flatter the Saudis, we need to

1. Start drilling for oil here
2. Stand over our children's beds at night whispering, "You will study science, you will grow up and develop an alternative energy."

Okay, so I'm a little wide on #2, but folks, we put them, and us, in this position. If the price of gas goes up, they don't get re-elected, and we scream.

re: #67 obscured by clouds

reference post #50...I dont even know why I'm bringing up Palin in this thread. I'm just in an in-your-face mood tonight. Sorry, folks, and I shouldn't have called you out, Charles. My bad.

If you want to defend Sarah, go back to her campaign speeches on Youtube and listen to the rally speeches, I think there was at least one or two where she did mention the Missile defense role of the Alaska Nat'l guard, but I got tired of surfing through them to find it. It was reliving a painful campaign.

Here's a link to start at:
Youtube, Sarah Palin speeches

re: #77 zombie

What is it with the hate mail uptick? Anyone else been experiencing this? Over, what seems to me, rather trivial stances or statements? Over the last week I personally haven't gotten any hate mail about the O-bow-ma, but I have gotten hate mail about autism, marijuana, bisexuality and (the old standby) Mohammed pictures.

Listen, folks: if you don't like someone's opinion, just ignore them. Why get all hot and bothered?

You should post an item about an autistic pot smoking bisexual Jihadi and really watch the mail flow!

re: #56 Dianna

If Newt Gingrich isn't conservative enough, we're in trouble. He's not perfect, but he is one of the good guys. If he is damaged goods because of his minor transgressions, who will be left? No politicians, living or dead, are coming to mind.

re: #72 razorbacker

You just have to read that line with a Clinton voice.

"...tryin' to sayve mah laaf."

re: #74 Fenway_Nation

The prosecutorial misconduct is Bill Allen, he's a weasel and corrupted them...

re: #84 NukeAtomrod

If Newt Gingrich isn't conservative enough, we're in trouble. He's not perfect, but he is one of the good guys. If he is damaged goods because of his minor transgressions, who will be left? No politicians, living or dead, are coming to mind.

Newt has his faults, but he would make a better President that the one we have right now.

re: #84 NukeAtomrod

If Newt Gingrich isn't conservative enough, we're in trouble. He's not perfect, but he is one of the good guys. If he is damaged goods because of his minor transgressions, who will be left? No politicians, living or dead, are coming to mind.

The only person conservative enough for some of these people is apparently Glenn Beck.

re: #84 NukeAtomrod

If Newt Gingrich isn't conservative enough, we're in trouble. He's not perfect, but he is one of the good guys. If he is damaged goods because of his minor transgressions, who will be left? No politicians, living or dead, are coming to mind.

Well one thing for sure he is gonna run.

re: #83 Desert Dog

You should post an item about an autistic pot smoking bisexual Jihadi and really watch the mail flow!

Speaking of which... I hear Adam Gadahn has a new video out.

re: #73 Sharmuta

People do need to chill. For instance, Christmas tunes are very fine, & I like to play them on various wind instruments, but If I play them in July, I get funny looks.

Oh well we can't all be weird, that would not work at all.

Good night everyone.

I kind of wish now that Newt was at GOP HQ.

re: #53 Dar ul Harb

Last President with any facial hair was Taft. It's time to bring it back in style.

You're right about that, and it was 17 presidents ago, so let's have a stache.

re: #83 Desert Dog

You should post an item about an autistic pot smoking bisexual Jihadi and really watch the mail flow!

No, what I need to do is make a post about a misdiagnosed non-autistic joint-grabbing straight infidel!

re: #88 Charles

The only person conservative enough for some of these people is apparently Glenn Beck.

Is it just me or is insanity spreading in America?

re: #84 NukeAtomrod

If Newt Gingrich isn't conservative enough, we're in trouble. He's not perfect, but he is one of the good guys. If he is damaged goods because of his minor transgressions, who will be left? No politicians, living or dead, are coming to mind.

I think he's a political pander, a liar, and a screaming opportunist. He's clever, I grant you, but he hasn't a principled bone in his body that I've been able to discern.

It's not a lack of conservatism. It's a lack of principle.

re: #88 Charles

The only person conservative enough for some of these people is apparently Glenn Beck.

heh!

Fortunately, I'm safe from that accusation.

re: #79 Dianna

She's definitely dynamic.

I appreciate Newt because he's actually intelligent and not just playing the role.

re: #88 Charles

The only person conservative enough for some of these people is apparently Glenn Beck.

Uh, oh.

Do they know that Glen Beck is a *gasp* Mormon!

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Is it just me or is insanity spreading in America?

Nope, just you. The rest of us are perfectly sane.
/

re: #90 stevieray

Speaking of which... I hear Adam Gadahn has a new video out.

LOL...I thought he was a red spot on the wall of a blown up mud hut in the nether regions of the Hindu Kush?

I don't trust Newt, or anybody else who said that FDR was "the greatest figure of the 20th century" because he "did bring us out of the Depression," instead of realizing that FDR caused the Depression. Some "history professor."

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Is it just me or is insanity spreading in America?

from up here it looks mainly like its just you

re: #87 Desert Dog

Newt has his faults, but he would make a better President that the one we have right now.

My cat would make a better President that the one we have right now.

This morning, someone remarked, truthfully, that the dead squirrel in Huckabee's freezer waiting for his turn in the deep fryer would make a better President than the incumbent!

re: #85 Dar ul Harb

You just have to read that line with a Clinton voice.

"...tryin' to sayve mah laaf."

Heh. Well, we are both Arkansawyers.

The only thing I know about Newt is that I giggled over his name in the '90s. The rest of the decade was pretty much a blur.

re: #86 Thanos

The prosecutorial misconduct is Bill Allen, he's a weasel and corrupted them...

Another example of a time we need a "What?!" button.

Ding away, I like Newt.

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I pray for Newt.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that about you.

If he'd come out proposing the Balanced Budget Amendment again, I vote for Newt in a New York second.

re: #77 zombie You know, I can understand folks e-mailing you to disagree with you about something, but hate mail is something altogether different and I don't understand it at all.Crap, I've received probably more than two dozen hate e-mails and I don't even have a blog!

re: #104 SpaceJesus

from up here it looks mainly like its just you

SMACK!

re: #102 Desert Dog

LOL...I thought he was a red spot on the wall of a blown up mud hut in the nether regions of the Hindu Kush?

Unfortunately, he is still among the living.

re: #100 Dar ul Harb

Uh, oh.

Do they know that Glen Beck is a *gasp* Mormon!

That explains his YEC.

re: #105 Dianna

My cat would make a better President that the one we have right now.

This morning, someone remarked, truthfully, that the dead squirrel in Huckabee's freezer waiting for his turn in the deep fryer would make a better President than the incumbent!

Remarked truthfully? I would say remarked with pure hyperbole.

Newt, Newt and more Newt...say...I hear he's written another book.

re: #105 Dianna

My cat would make a better President that the one we have right now.

This morning, someone remarked, truthfully, that the dead squirrel in Huckabee's freezer waiting for his turn in the deep fryer would make a better President than the incumbent!

I wonder what Huckabee's frozen squirrel thinks about the N. Koren missile launch? I bet he would craft a very stern letter, with lots of non-threatening and worthless rhetoric...oh wait, that is what our current President is doing...nevermind...

He's a historian, and capable of learning the lessons of it.

re: #78 Bumr50

Follow the link- that's pretty much the first half of the Roto-Reuters article.

I used to stay up late back in the early 80's and watch Newt all alone in the House Chamber on CSPAN going on in his way and laying out what Conservatism was and every now and then I'd give a quick Thank You Jesus.. but times have changed and so have I and so has Newt.
That''s just my take on it. He can still get my blood pumpin' when he gets wound up, but I have my doubts. Lots of doubts.

re: #118 Desert Dog

I wonder what Huckabee's frozen squirrel thinks about the N. KoreAn missile launch? I bet he would craft a very stern letter, with lots of non-threatening and worthless rhetoric...oh wait, that is what our current President is doing...nevermind...

pimf

re: #103 LynnfromNZ

t FDR caused the Depression.

uh, false?

re: #44 Sharmuta

Wrong again -- Southern Baptists and Pentecostals are growing as well.

re: #115 Dianna

That explains his YEC.

I was, of course, referencing the treatment that Mitt Romney got in the primary.

"I have a drinking problem? Fuck you, Peck, you're a Mormon. Compared to you we all have a drinking problem!"
--Osbourne Cox (John Malkovich), Burn After Reading (2008)

re: #114 stevieray

Unfortunately, he is still among the living.

Hopefully, we can find him and give him a Hellfire up the ass. He needs to be sent off to his 72 virgins goats.

re: #119 Sharmuta

Good point, very good point!

re: #88 Charles
I'm sorry Charles, but I have to disagree with you here: Glenn Beck is not a conservative. He is, at best, an entertainer, just like Rush, just like Jon Stewart, just like Bill Maher.
Not what I would call deep political thinkers, but guys smart enough to figure out what there audience likes and to say it.
And before y'all flame me, I am very much aware that there are differences in the intelligence level and political savy amongst that group, but it doesn't change the fact that they are entertainers.

re: #103 LynnfromNZ

I don't trust Newt, or anybody else who said that FDR was "the greatest figure of the 20th century" because he "did bring us out of the Depression," instead of realizing that FDR caused the Depression. Some "history professor."

I always point out that, though he prolonged the Depression, FDR is still a very important figure, and (sorry!) a great president.

He did a number of things that were flat-out wrong, and set some time-bombs even he didn't understand, and no, he wasn't all that deep a thinker (unlike either Washington or Lincoln), but you cannot deny his impact.

It's like talking about Napoleon. You may hate the man, but frankly, European history is "before Napoleon" and "after Napoleon". re: #116 Silvergirl

Remarked truthfully? I would say remarked with pure hyperbole.

I think that, by the end of the year, you will recognize it as truth.

Mind, I haven't said you'd be happy about it!

Newt's a Trivial Pursuit answer. His pillar-shaking days are done.

Hate male I can handle, its when the females hate me that I get sad...

Great. Yesterday it was clear, sunny, and 81 degrees.

Today, it's been raining nearly all day. Now it's truly pouring.

Won't someone stop this climate change already?

Save us, Algore! You're our only hope!
///

Spencer and Geller are desperately trying to smear me over this, by the way. It's some of the most pathetic frothing I've ever seen.

Contract with America v.s. Obamanation... pick one.

re: #100 Dar ul Harb Is that true? Is Glenn Beck a Mormon? How did Huckabee let him get on FOX?!

re: #133 Charles

Spencer and Geller are desperately trying to smear me over this, by the way. It's some of the most pathetic frothing I've ever seen.

Funny you should mention that. I saw two new Tweets and one if from Atlasshrugs which is an utter smear. It's on Twitter right now. I'd post a link but you can find it. If not I can give you the link.

re: #128 realwest

Thanks for that.

re: #128 realwestup ding ding ding ding

re: #133 Charles

What is their problem, that you pointed out that Bush also bowed, or that you didn't single out Obama for special hate, Or both?

re: #133 Charles

Spencer and Geller are desperately trying to smear me over this, by the way. It's some of the most pathetic frothing I've ever seen.

F**k Robert and Pam (and their fellow travelers)...ain't no way I'd be down in the gutter with them!

It's some of the most pathetic frothing I've ever seen.

Via the internet--frothing at the mouse.

re: #130 Salem

Newt's a Trivial Pursuit answer. His pillar-shaking days are done.

I think this may be true.

re: #133 Charles

*Sigh.*

re: #135 realwest

Is that true? Is Glenn Beck a Mormon? How did Huckabee let him get on FOX?!

Yeah, he converted as part of his recovery from alcoholism. It's not a secret, as he used to talk about it sometimes on his radio show (back when I listened to it).

re: #128 realwest

I'm sorry Charles, but I have to disagree with you here: Glenn Beck is not a conservative. He is, at best, an entertainer, just like Rush, just like Jon Stewart, just like Bill Maher.
Not what I would call deep political thinkers, but guys smart enough to figure out what there audience likes and to say it.
And before y'all flame me, I am very much aware that there are differences in the intelligence level and political savy amongst that group, but it doesn't change the fact that they are entertainers.

Lowest Common Denominator, works on TV everytime, rather it be Olberdouche for the leftie-loons or Glenn Beck for the Survivalist Enthusiasts.

re: #134 brookly red

Contract with America v.s. Obamanation... pick one.

That assumes I can believe Newt.

I am thinking that Beck is the segue for Romney. Soften up the fundamentalists and all. Not a bad plan, really.

re: #112 realwest

You know, I can understand folks e-mailing you to disagree with you about something, but hate mail is something altogether different and I don't understand it at all.Crap, I've received probably more than two dozen hate e-mails and I don't even have a blog!

That's nuts. And it's not like you have wild controversial opinions, either; pretty well-reasoned and understandable, even if someone didn't agree with one or the other. I guess the phrase "agree to disagree" has got the way of the dodo bird.

re: #133 Charles

"Well, there they go again" -R. Reagan

re: #134 brookly red

Contract with America v.s. Obamanation... pick one.

"Read my lips..."

re: #147 Wishing

I am thinking that Beck is the segue for Romney. Soften up the fundamentalists and all. Not a bad plan, really.

Romney doesn't need "help" from Beck...

re: #144 Dar ul Harb

Yeah, he converted as part of his recovery from alcoholism. It's not a secret, as he used to talk about it sometimes on his radio show (back when I listened to it).

There's an hour's worth of him talking about it on youtube.

re: #145 Desert Dog

Lowest Common Denominator, works on TV everytime, rather it be Olberdouche for the leftie-loons or Glenn Beck for the Survivalist Enthusiasts.

Survival Enthusiasts is a good way to put it.

re: #150 Capitalist Tool

"Read my lips..."

Ouch!

re: #95 Dark_Falcon Hi Dark_Falcon! Yes insanity is spreading out across America and it's all Bush's fault! Or the fault of the Jews! Or because the MSM is too accurate in it's reporting of the news!
Note: you can only pick from one of the three choices.

re: #129 Dianna

What's one good thing FDR did domestically?

I agree America should have entered World War II, even if he did sacrifice thousands of lives at Pearl Harbor to accomplish that he did it. Me, I'd have waited until either Naziism or Bolshevism won the war in Europe, then gone in and cleaned up on the winner, who would have been bled white and in no condition to resist. Get rid of both of them.

re: #110 Taqiyyotomist

That was a big fat sarc.

This is what Robert Spencer is reduced to -- posting articles with titles like this:

Canadian neo-Nazis excoriate Jews, root for the Taliban, link to Little Green Footballs

What a sad little man, with such a giant flaming ego.

re: #147 Wishing

I am thinking that Beck is the segue for Romney. Soften up the fundamentalists and all. Not a bad plan, really.

Could be, could be. I admit that has passed through my mind.

re: #152 EmmmieG

There's an hour's worth of him talking about it on youtube.

I don't think I care to invest an hour.

"No greater thing could come to our land today than a revival of the spirit of religion. I doubt if there is any problem -- social, political, or economic -- that would not melt away before the fire of such a spiritual awakening."

"We guard ourselves against all evils -- spiritual as well as material -- which may beset us. We guard against the forces of anti-Christian aggression, which may attack us from without, and the forces of ignorance and fear which may corrupt us from within."

"Today the whole world is divided between human slavery and human freedom -- between pagan brutality and the Christian ideal."

"We face one of the great choices of history the continuation of civilization as we know it versus the ultimate destruction of all that we have held dear -- religion against godlessness."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt wasn't the idiot that many on the right would have us believe he was.

re: #146 Dianna

That assumes I can believe Newt.

Newt or Obama, pick one.

re: #151 talon_262

Romney doesn't need "help" from Beck...

To be honest, that wasn't obvious in the primaries. I am not saying Beck's views are Romney's, just saying that a lot of fundies watch and like Beck and will be more apt to give Romney a listen as a result.

re: #157 Killgore Trout

LOL, sorry, it was a play on Sharmuta's #4. :)

re: #156 LynnfromNZ

I agree America should have entered World War II, even if he did sacrifice thousands of lives at Pearl Harbor to accomplish that he did it.

Are you serious?

re: #158 Charles

This is what Robert Spencer is reduced to -- posting articles with titles like this:

What a sad little man, with such a giant flaming ego.

That's almost the same thing Geller Tweeted one-hour ago.

re: #156 LynnfromNZ

What's one good thing FDR did domestically?

I agree America should have entered World War II, even if he did sacrifice thousands of lives at Pearl Harbor to accomplish that he did it. Me, I'd have waited until either Naziism or Bolshevism won the war in Europe, then gone in and cleaned up on the winner, who would have been bled white and in no condition to resist. Get rid of both of them.

Don't tell me that you believe that FDR conspired to let the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, without letting our boys have a fair chance to head it off...

/a bit black helicopter-ish

re: #1 SpaceJesus

voting for this guy

There's a ringing endorsement.

Pathetic seeing the leaders of the free world (Obama, Bush, etc) cozy up to these guys.

re: #133 Charles Uh, Spencer and Geller - so what? I mean they've lost whatever credentials they ever had a looong time ago.
I'm not making light of folks insulting you Charles, it's just that you really need to consider the source of the insults.

re: #151 talon_262

Romney doesn't need "help" from Beck...

When you're collecting votes at election time, a guy looks for help in many quarters.

I must plead guilty to getting down way too hard on Newt here tonight.
Bug in my ear or something.
I almost never say anything bad in public about anyone. Ok, maybe Obama and Clinton and Carter... but it's a bad thing I do when i do it and I'll try to remember not to do it again.

re: #133 Charles

Spencer and Geller are desperately trying to smear me over this, by the way. It's some of the most pathetic frothing I've ever seen.

I'm completely mystified. What is to get worked up over? It was never a secret that Bush kowtowed to the Saudis (kau-taued?), and many bemoaned it at the time:

- Led around by the pinky.
- Did the sword dance.
- Accepted a medal, bow or no bow.
- Never criticized the Saudis in public.
- Never issued condemnations of shariah, hand amputations, gender inequality, etc. in Saudi Arabia.
- Chummed it up with the House of Saud at every opportunity.

It's all there, all over the Net, proof galore. What is there to get froth-y about?

re: #128 realwest

I'm sorry Charles, but I have to disagree with you here: Glenn Beck is not a conservative. He is, at best, an entertainer, just like Rush, just like Jon Stewart, just like Bill Maher.
Not what I would call deep political thinkers, but guys smart enough to figure out what there audience likes and to say it.
And before y'all flame me, I am very much aware that there are differences in the intelligence level and political savy amongst that group, but it doesn't change the fact that they are entertainers.

Agreed.
Glenn Beck is not the one spending us into oblivion, raising taxes, cutting missile defense and forcing banks to take TARP money whether they want it or not.

Zombie summed it up best a few threads ago.

re: #173 zombie

"kowtow" is correct.

re: #158 Charles

Stormfront links to Spencer all the time. He appears on countless blogrolls, along with every other site on the internet. I would recommend a nice redirect for the Canadian nazis. Jdate seems nice or goatse is a classic.

re: #148 zombie

has got the way of the dodo bird = has gone the way of the dodo bird.

PIMF

re: #137 BignJames
and
re: #138 Capitalist Tool
Thank you both very kindly!

Veritas uber allis

If someone can't tell the truth about their enemies and their friends in equal measure and with equal readiness, then that person is a partisan hack.

re: #156 LynnfromNZ

What's one good thing FDR did domestically?

I agree America should have entered World War II, even if he did sacrifice thousands of lives at Pearl Harbor to accomplish that he did it. Me, I'd have waited until either Naziism or Bolshevism won the war in Europe, then gone in and cleaned up on the winner, who would have been bled white and in no condition to resist. Get rid of both of them.

In terms of concrete domestic actions? Not a damned thing.

However, and this is a huge point, he provided a sense of motion (never mind - though a lot of people saw it at the time - that it was the wrong one!) in a definite direction.

There's this rule: Make a decision. Any decision. Even the wrong one, when you're the leader, is better than making no decision at all.

Roosevelt understood that. And he provided actual leadership.

Oh, he was wrong. I won't argue that. But...in the face of crisis, he provided confidence.

As for your remarks about WWII, I consider them obscene, and will ignore them.

re: #163 Wishing

To be honest, that wasn't obvious in the primaries. I am not saying Beck's views are Romney's, just saying that a lot of fundies watch and like Beck and will be more apt to give Romney a listen as a result.

If fundies already won't vote for a Mormon (such as Romney) because he's "not a true Christian" (the view of a bunch of Christian fundamentalists, unfortunately), what makes you think Beck's gonna change their minds on that?

re: #128 realwest

The nice thing about Limbaugh is that he claims proudly to be an entertainer. The rest is just gravy.

re: #175 Taqiyyotomist

"kowtow" is correct.

I know that. I was making a "Saudi" version - -"kau-tau-ed to the Saudis." Guess it fell flat.

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

Updinged, not for that, but for your comment at zombietime on the Bisexual post, which was a good one.

re: #161 Taqiyyotomist

O'Bambi gave great rhetoric, too. No, sorry, I can't respect an American president who modeled his economic policies on Benito Mussolini's Fascist movement, using government cartels to inflate wages and prices at the cost of free market competition and who pretty much set in place the socialism O'Bambi's busy expanding.

re: #155 realwest

Hi Dark_Falcon! Yes insanity is spreading out across America and it's all Bush's fault! Or the fault of the Jews! Or because the MSM is too accurate in it's reporting of the news!
Note: you can only pick from one of the three choices.

I'll choose D: none of the above.

Bogie at 10 o'clock. Looks like a 707.

re: #158 Charles

Is it OK if I don't go read the article? I'm way, way too tired.

re: #161 Taqiyyotomist

Franklin Delano Roosevelt wasn't the idiot that many on the right would have us believe he was.

FDR was one our best Presidents. However, did make many mistakes when he tried to revive the collapsed economy he inherited. He tried to spend and tax his way to prosperity (sound familiar?) Those policies exacerbated the problem and the depression continued longer than it should have. If we judge FDR on his performance from 1933-1941, he would be a failure. But, from 1941 to his death, every American (and many other countries) owe him a debt of gratitude we can never repay.

re: #162 brookly red

Newt or Obama, pick one.

Oh, Newt.

re: #160 Silvergirl

I don't think I care to invest an hour.

Me either, but there's not going to be a video from Rush Limbaugh "witnessing" and talking about his recovery, so I'll give Beck some credit for that.

re: #185 Taqiyyotomist

Updinged, not for that, but for your comment at zombietime on the Bisexual post, which was a good one.

Agreed. Great comment, buzz! (Or should I say, Fabulous comment!) I'll upding you here for that zomblog comment as well.

re: #173 zombie

I'm completely mystified. What is to get worked up over? It was never a secret that Bush kowtowed to the Saudis (kau-taued?), and many bemoaned it at the time:

- Led around by the pinky.
- Did the sword dance.
- Accepted a medal, bow or no bow.
- Never criticized the Saudis in public.
- Never issued condemnations of shariah, hand amputations, gender inequality, etc. in Saudi Arabia.
- Chummed it up with the House of Saud at every opportunity.

It's all there, all over the Net, proof galore. What is there to get froth-y about?

I don't understand it either. Behind terrorism, I'd say finding sufficient energy in the coming years is the number one threat to America. Even though I may hate it, it's too necessary because of the lack of real alternatives.

re: #190 Desert Dog

Well, he was either one of our best presidents, or he was like Mussolini.
Yikes, the craziness is bad and virulent.

re: #191 Dianna

Oh, Newt.

;)

re: #182 talon_262

If fundies already won't vote for a Mormon (such as Romney) because he's "not a true Christian" (the view of a bunch of Christian fundamentalists, unfortunately), what makes you think Beck's gonna change their minds on that?

I know you're directing this to Wishing, but my take is that the fundies are liking what they hear from Beck, who is a Mormon. If Romney comes around again in 2012, perhaps the word Mormon won't scare them away so much since they have come to accept Beck.

re: #182 talon_262

If fundies already won't vote for a Mormon (such as Romney) because he's "not a true Christian" (the view of a bunch of Christian fundamentalists, unfortunately), what makes you think Beck's gonna change their minds on that?

Ok, let me try to unravel it a bit: fundies are told by their pastors that Mormons are EVIL. They have no personal experience of this, they just accept what the pastor says. Beck is putting a face on Mormons, speaking to the fears that fundies have etc. They find that they like this guy, even if he is a Mormon.
(please understand I am not speaking for each and every fundie, as some do really think for themselves, this is a sweeping generalization for the sake of the argument)

re: #195 Taqiyyotomist

FDR was like Mussolini, except for that little winning the war against the Fascists thing.

re: #195 Taqiyyotomist

Well, he was either one of our best presidents, or he was like Mussolini.
Yikes, the craziness is bad and virulent.

A little of both...the trains ran on time, but he did not, thank goodness, wear a uniform and a stupid little hat

re: #156 LynnfromNZ

I agree America should have entered World War II, even if he did sacrifice thousands of lives at Pearl Harbor to accomplish that he did it.

My my...the last time I heard that song and dance was from a German backpacker while staying in Washington D.C.

He seemed a little indignant at how the Germans were portrayed at the Weisenthal Center.

/imagine that

re: #191 Dianna

Oh, Newt.

What about the dead squirrel? :-)

re: #144 Dar ul Harb
Well from one recovering alcoholic to another: Good for you Mr. Beck. Just try to avoid Huckabee in the hallways over at Fox.

re: #152 EmmmieG

There's an hour's worth of him talking about it on youtube.

There exists a recent near-epidemic phenomenon ...a pathological need for an audience. Beck's got it.

Definitions of fundie on the Web:

* Fundie or fundy (plural fundies) is a pejorative slang term used to refer to religious fundamentalists of any denomination, although it is primarily directed towards fundamentalist Christians. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundie

In other words, it's a slur, and is not cool. But it ain't my house. Slur away.

re: #192 Dar ul Harb

Me either, but there's not going to be a video from Rush Limbaugh "witnessing" and talking about his recovery, so I'll give Beck some credit for that.

I would hope not! Good heavens!

re: #197 Silvergirl

And Beck, let's face it, makes Romney look statesmanlike by comparison.

re: #203 realwest

Well from one recovering alcoholic to another: Good for you Mr. Beck. Just try to avoid Huckabee in the hallways over at Fox.

Why? Does Huckabee have it out for alcoholics? Or Mormons?

formercorpsman posted this link on the last thread - is this Israel going under the bus?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

It almost sounds like Biden may as well have said, "Bibi, you're on your own."

Just because I have to say it, could we please as a nation focus our energies on getting rid of our dependence on these thugs? Nuclear is a great option.

Further, Charles is absolutely correct. Our presidents have been kow towing to these thugs for years - going all the way back to FDR. We do this because we are not the sort of nation to just invade them and take their oil. Instead we deal with them.

If it were not for oil dependence, no one would listen to these thugs. They would be looked upon as a slightly more scary form of barbarian much like we look at other savage cultures. Yet, our economy is bound in a devil's bargain with these people. The Middle East would have very few problem if not for oil actually. No one would take their shit. They would have to learn to behave.

Yet we take their shit decade after decade. And our presidents and politicians grin as they eat that shit because they have to. Charles is right that they all do it, but those who hate that this is the way it is are right also - provided that they are consistently appalled by it and not just when it is a president they don't like.

re: #198 Wishing

Ok, let me try to unravel it a bit: fundies are told by their pastors that Mormons are EVIL. They have no personal experience of this, they just accept what the pastor says. Beck is putting a face on Mormons, speaking to the fears that fundies have etc. They find that they like this guy, even if he is a Mormon.
(please understand I am not speaking for each and every fundie, as some do really think for themselves, this is a sweeping generalization for the sake of the argument)

Then I bloody well suggest they go and read the Book of Mormon.

I like Romney in spite of his being a Mormon.

re: #206 LynnfromNZ

Groan. More conspiracy nonsense. The madness continues to spread...

re: #208 Dar ul Harb

And Beck, let's face it, makes Romney look statesmanlike by comparison.

This is true. In fact, I believe he looks statesmanlike even without comparison.

re: #181 Dianna

Sorry you feel that way. How would getting rid of both Naziism and Bolshevism be worse than allowing the Soviet Union to throw up the Iron Curtain for sixty years or so?

re: #206 LynnfromNZ

That site is promoting Pat Buchanan's "Unneccessary War" book, too.

re: #206 LynnfromNZ

Sure. Check out Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor (2000), by Robert B. Stinnett, a World War II Navy veteran: "Stinnett has obtained numerous relevant documents through the Freedom of Information Act. Stinnett reveals that Roosevelt's plan to provoke Japan began with a memorandum from Lieutenant Commander Arthur H. McCollum, head of the Far East desk of the Office of Naval Intelligence. The memorandum advocated eight actions predicted to lead Japan into attacking the United States. McCollum wrote: 'If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better.' FDR enacted all eight of McCollum's provocative steps — and more."

Other excerpts available at [Link: www.thenewamerican.com...]

That book has more problems - real historians actually wrote articles about it - than I want to think about.

re: #209 Silvergirl

Why? Does Huckabee have it out for alcoholics? Or Mormons?

The Huckster is not very fond of Mormons.

re: #148 zombie
"I guess the phrase "agree to disagree" has got the way of the dodo bird."
Oh no, zombie it hasn't gone the way of the dodo bird! It's just got a new incantation: "Well we'll have to agree to disagree you ignorant, worthless, stupid,
bastard, you!"
And that was one of the more polite ones I've received.

Yep, Newt is just another drip in a sea of balloon juice. Obama, on the other hand, is the President and he's making Jimmy Carter look good. The gaffes and travesties will pile up and soon no one is going to care about an electron-microscope issue like this. I can't fathom why anyone would care about it beyond one news cycle.

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

Just because I have to say it, could we please as a nation focus our energies on getting rid of our dependence on these thugs? Nuclear is a great option.

It is NOT going to happen. Libs hate nukes. Period.

re: #215 LynnfromNZ

Sorry you feel that way. How would getting rid of both Naziism and Bolshevism be worse than allowing the Soviet Union to throw up the Iron Curtain for sixty years or so?

The process.

Think of Orwell's remark about a boot stomping on a human face. Forever.

There is a time when action must - simply must - be taken, or eventually you will lose the will to act at all.

re: #221 Wishing

Libs hate energy and productivity, period.

re: #202 Silvergirl

What about the dead squirrel? :-)

Don't tempt me!

re: #195 Taqiyyotomist

Well, he was either one of our best presidents, or he was like Mussolini.
Yikes, the craziness is bad and virulent.

Here's a great read about the Great Depression: The Forgotten Man

It details the policies FDR implemented to "correct" the economy. Some of them sound eerily like the very methods and means Obama has used and wants to use...

re: #198 Wishing

You can substitute a number of words in that tome- instead of "fundies" you could say "people" and instead of "pastors" you could say "leaders" and in place of the rest of it you could say "follow without thought".

re: #153 Mr. In get Mr. Out
You know, there's ways to make LOTS of money off of survivalists - if you have a capitalists' heart!

time to re-charge... the fruity pizza types will be back tomorrow.

re: #199 jaunte

FDR was like Mussolini, except for that little winning the war against the Fascists thing.

Yes and no. It's a long discussion.

re: #223 Taqiyyotomist

Libs hate energy and productivity, period.

True, dat!

Heh.

I'll post it once again today because all this Conservative meltdown deserves it.

Watching Conservatives at this moment in time is sorta like watching the following in slow motion:

re: #228 realwest

You know, there's ways to make LOTS of money off of survivalists - if you have a capitalists' heart!

wink, wink, nudge, nudge

If we found a source of free, limitless energy, libs would be against it.

re: #223 Taqiyyotomist

Libs hate energy and productivity, period.

Fact of the matter.

re: #223 Taqiyyotomist

Libs hate energy and productivity, period.

I'm all for unlimited energy at "cheap as air" prices- guess I'm no Lib.

re: #218 razorbacker

The Huckster is not very fond of Mormons.

Yes, I recall that sly bit from the campaign about Satan and Jesus as brothers. I was wondering if there was more to what realwest said about Beck avoiding Huck in the halls at Fox.

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Groan. More conspiracy nonsense. The madness continues to spread...

That one's old. I've been arguing with non-historians about it since the mid-nineties.

re: #158 Charles What? I didn't even understand that! I thought Mr. Spencer could, well, write anyway.

re: #221 Wishing

Just because I have to say it, could we please as a nation focus our energies on getting rid of our dependence on these thugs? Nuclear is a great option.

It is NOT going to happen. Libs hate nukes. Period.

You'd think they'd love them being for the environment and against mass CO2 emissions. Hell, we could blast the waste into the sun.

re: #235 Taqiyyotomist

If we found a source of free, limitless energy, libs would be against it.

It would be taxed into oblivion.

re: #228 realwest

You know, there's ways to make LOTS of money off of survivalists - if you have a capitalists' heart!

I wonder how many millionaires were made in the 2-3 years prior to the great Y2K, selling preparedness kits, food and water, shelters, underground diesel tanks, etc.?

Lemme see if I understand this properly:
Anything is all right if you can point to someone else who did the same or worse before you did.
Is that it? GWB did something stupid, so it's just fine for BHO to do the same stupid thing, because there is precedent.

Where is the part where stupid is stupid no matter how many people do it?

re: #241 Mr. In get Mr. Out

You'd think they'd love them being for the environment and against mass CO2 emissions. Hell, we could blast the waste into the sun.

I want my county to buy one of these: no way it is gonna happen!
Hyperion Power

re: #90 stevieray

Speaking of which... I hear Adam Gadahn has a new video out.

BAHAHAHA!

/knows he shouldn't laugh, but damn

re: #161 Taqiyyotomist
Well except that he left out the Jews. Do y'all know when that was written?

re: #206 LynnfromNZ

Sure. Check out Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor
You know the whole FDR allowed Pearl Harbor is one of the more stupid and racist of the conspiracy theories. It is stupid, because if the fleet were warned and they fought off the attack, we would still have the war that the theory claims that FDR was hellbent on having - but we would go into it with our line of battle more intact. It is a stupid policy to start a war by having your fleet sunk if you can get it and still have your fleet ready to go and fight.

It is a racist theory because it has the hidden assumption that there is no way that the Japanese could lick us. There had to be a fix. No way those nips could pull it off against the mighty US without it being an inside job. Guess what. The US was caught with its pants down. There were numerous warnings and we completely dropped the ball. The Japanese succeeded beyond their wildest dreams because we screwed up so badly.

There was no inside job. Don't disgrace the president who had the sense to put King in charge of the Navy and Marshall in charge of the Army to fight that war. Because of that, we got Nimitz, Spruance, Patton, Eisenhower and Bradley in the right place at the right time.

dilithium
crystals

re: #228 realwest

You know, there's ways to make LOTS of money off of survivalists - if you have a capitalists' heart!

I've had a look at a lot of it: dry food, knives, guns, traps, shovels, books, anything for camping or living off the grid. I believe some of it is a psychological need to get back with nature. Though, in the last century, nature has gone from an evil killer to a romanticized vacation.

re: #221 Wishing

Just because I have to say it, could we please as a nation focus our energies on getting rid of our dependence on these thugs? Nuclear is a great option.

It is NOT going to happen. Libs hate nukes. Period.

And The GOP is owned by the Oil lobby too. Don't forget that.

re: #241 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I think I saw something about cold fusion a minute ago...

re: #108 Dianna

Another example of a time we need a "What?!" button.

Bill Allen is a long time wheeler dealer in Ak, he's the one who accused Ted Stevens. The misconduct in this case is some of the dealing he did with the prosecutorial staff. He's used to influencing through "favors" in the traditional, Alaskan way if you catch my drift...

re: #222 Dianna

The process? Not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Europe was ravaged by war anyway, and I guess we do have the advantage of hindsight, but it seems to me if FDR hadn't made a deal with the most evil man of the 20th century, Josef Stalin, for Russia's help defeating Nazi Germany, that we could have gotten rid of both of the evil ideologies. Imagine what Europe would look like if all the Eastern bloc countries -- Poland, Hungary, et al -- had been allowed to grow as free democracies post-1945.

The idea that Bush was bowing to the Saudi's is NOT a stretch. Now what?

re: #244 BartB

Lemme see if I understand this properly:
Anything is all right if you can point to someone else who did the same or worse before you did.
Is that it? GWB did something stupid, so it's just fine for BHO to do the same stupid thing, because there is precedent.

Where is the part where stupid is stupid no matter how many people do it?

You don't understand "it" properly, if by "it" you mean Charles' recent posts regarding the "bow".

He's not saying it's OKAY. He's saying that people are attending Crazygonuts U. when they hyperventilate that Obama is doing something new.

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

And The GOP is owned by the Oil lobby too. Don't forget that.

Upding.

re: #244 BartB

Lemme see if I understand this properly:
Anything is all right if you can point to someone else who did the same or worse before you did.
Is that it? GWB did something stupid, so it's just fine for BHO to do the same stupid thing, because there is precedent.

Where is the part where stupid is stupid no matter how many people do it?

I think your final sentence is Charles' point.

re: #210 capitalist piglet

formercorpsman posted this link on the last thread - is this Israel going under the bus?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

It almost sounds like Biden may as well have said, "Bibi, you're on your own."

... or that Obama/Biden have decided to play "Good cop/bad cop" with Israel.

re: #206 LynnfromNZ

Pearl Harbar wuz a insid job!
/lolrus

"Where is the part where stupid is stupid no matter how many people do it?"

"This deference to a very bad country has been going on for decades; it didn’t start with Barack Obama, or with George W. Bush, or with John F. Kennedy for that matter.

Instead of impeaching Barack Obama, America needs to impeach its gas tanks."

re: #219 realwest

"I guess the phrase "agree to disagree" has got the way of the dodo bird."
Oh no, zombie it hasn't gone the way of the dodo bird! It's just got a new incantation: "Well we'll have to agree to disagree you ignorant, worthless, stupid,
bastard, you!"
And that was one of the more polite ones I've received.

Surely you jest. Stupid? No. I mean, I've enjoyed setting a firecracker or two off under your chair, just to see you jump (Man, have you ever seen such a rude bunch as those Nu Yawkers?) but stupid, that's setting the bar a mite high, in my not-at-all-humble opinion.

re: #248 LudwigVanQuixote
Good job, Sir!