World’s Craziest Bloggers Say LGF is ‘Linked Up’ with Neo-Nazis

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Hatebloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have really hit bottom now. What can I even say about this? It’s just sad, and utterly pathetic.

Complete with upper case misspelling, unnoticed for more than a day: Atlas Shrugs: NEO NAZIS LINK UP WITH CHARLES JOHNSON, LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS SMEARS BECK, THE GOP AND CONSERVATVES.

Geller is on to me. I’m an “infiltrator.” The only real question left in her alleged mind is “who is he working for?”

Robert Spencer, on the other hand, is intelligent enough to know just how incredibly dishonest he’s being. His website has descended into a true hate site at this point, dominated by extreme, bigoted commenters who regularly advocate genocide and mass murder of Muslims.

But if that’s the best he can do (dig up an obscure Canadian website that has a link to LGF), then two can play at that game.

Stormfront: Robert Spencer is a GOD!

Stormfront really likes Pamela Geller too.

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867 comments
1 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:34:32am

not so

2 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:35:00am

Pamela, Prozac. Prozac, Pamela.

3 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:35:05am

and we're no echo chamber either

4 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:35:22am

"Mein Fuehrer! I can blog!"

-Dr. StrangeReader

5 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:35:24am

What's up is down....

6 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:35:28am

Waste of time.

7 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:36:15am

Pamela and Robert believe if you tell a lie, tell it big enough and tell it often enough people will believe it.

now where have I heard that before?

8 J.D.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:36:41am

I always thought Pamela was a little off her rocker. There was a time, though, when she was wildly popular here.

I never could figure that out.

9 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:36:44am

It's the Internet. Everyone is indirectly "linked" to everyone else if you look hard enough. 'cept Geller and dictionary.com, it seems.

10 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:36:55am
11 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:17am

Neither Pamela or Robert are worthy to lick Charles' boots.

12 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:25am

WTF!?! We linked up with Neo-Nazis!?!

Wait just a fucking minute here. It was Pamela and Robert who linked up with the fucking neo-fucking-fascists in Europe, namely the Vlaams Belang. It was Pamela and Robert (as well as GoV) who defended the Euro-fascists' actions and words. It is Pamela and Robert whom Stormfront loves, not LGF by any means. Shit, they fucking hate us.

Fuck you, Pam, fuck you and the swastika you rode in on.

13 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:26am

Pamela Geller doesn't believe in editing.

I'm disgusted by this. I know she isn't very good at balancing things, but this is revolting and ugly, beyond her usual hysteria.

But what on earth is up with Spencer? He has a brain, why isn't he using it?

14 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:40am

nor

15 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:47am

The pathetic thing is as a blogger you cannot control who links to you and these idiots have to know this. While I'm relatively small potatoes, I get links from some sites I'd rather not, but what can you do?

16 kynna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:54am

Isn't this the kind of crap they could get sued for?

Special brand of crazy, that bunch. Yikes.

17 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:37:57am

re: #11 MandyManners

Neither Pamela or Robert are worthy to lick Charles' boots.


Eww! Pamela slime on the boots!

/Throw the boots away, Charles!

18 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:38:11am

re: #11 MandyManners

Neither Pamela or Robert are worthy to lick Charles' boots.

only if he steps in cat shit

19 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:38:18am

Oh geez, once you swallow one conspiracy theory, the others just go down so easy.
What a bunch of nut bags.

Although I do think the title 'World's Craziest Blogger' is one we can vote on. So many nuts in the intertubes.

20 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:38:21am

i really can't see how this discussion is helping my children......

/white smoke

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:38:28am

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

22 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:38:33am

Ok so I read that article.

I have to confess it made no sense to me whatsoever. So he's against the anti-jihadists, but for them?

Holy crap, I think they need to turn their computers off and get outside.

23 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:05am

I just posted this down thread and it ties in with this one.

"The same with blogs on either the right or left. If you point out that a comment might just be off the rails due to political bias, you are dog piled as a infiltrator from the other side.
Blogs, like TV shows will be more popular if you just feed the mind set of either side. The country is now being spoon fed the versions of "facts" they want to hear from each side, and pity the fool that tries to discuss the issue.
The crazier Beck gets, the better his rating will be, and the harder for fair minded conservatives to restrain him."

24 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:09am

re: #13 Dianna

Pamela Geller doesn't believe in editing.

I'm disgusted by this. I know she isn't very good at balancing things, but this is revolting and ugly, beyond her usual hysteria.

But what on earth is up with Spencer? He has a brain, why isn't he using it?

I'm beginning to believe in pod-people.

25 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:10am

re: #8 J.D.

I always thought Pamela was a little off her rocker. There was a time, though, when she was wildly popular here.

I never could figure that out.

She's pretty.

People didn't notice that she was an hysteric because they didn't want to. They didn't notice that one week she'd be hanging on somebody's arm, and the next she'd be reviling them in over-the-top terms.

And all because she's pretty and has big breasts.

26 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:15am

Are they calling this Jew a Nazi? Them there are fighting words!

27 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:21am

always consider the 'source'.....

a lie is a lie is a lie.....

28 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:52am

re: #21 Charles

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

Can you do anything legally? This looks like libel to me.

29 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:52am

re: #21 Charles

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

No, Charles, you cannot let them get away with this shit. They must be called out on the carpet for it. You have done a lot to build this place up, and maintain it's reputation.

30 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:39:58am

Hey!

I have a German exchange student at my house right now!

How did they know that I had linked up with Neo Nazis?

That Pam and Robert are very clever indeed!

/

31 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:06am

re: #21 Charles

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

I noticed this garbage on Memorandum this morning and some lefty hate blogs are gleefully running with it.

32 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:18am

Ode to pamela geller

Your blog it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing

with apologies to William.

33 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:38am

You mean we're NOT neo-nazis? Well, I suppose that's OK that I can let my hair grow back, but what do I do with all these jodhpurs and hob-nailed boots?

I guess I can send them to Foxnews...

34 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:45am

re: #25 Dianna

She's pretty.

People didn't notice that she was an hysteric because they didn't want to. They didn't notice that one week she'd be hanging on somebody's arm, and the next she'd be reviling them in over-the-top terms.

And all because she's pretty and has big breasts.

(0)(0)

I'm sorry, did you say something?

///

35 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:49am

Early OT: Pakistan all clenched up.

"Rude Shock"

But according to a Pakistani newspaper, regional envoy Richard Holbrooke and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen came up empty-handed and received a "rude shock" when a proposal for joint operations against al Qaeda and Taliban forces in the volatile tribal regions was rejected.

36 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #23 avanti

Why don't you shut the fuck up? You've already compared us to Beck here today.

37 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:40:57am

re: #24 MandyManners

I'm beginning to believe in pod-people.

She hasn't changed, you know. She was always like this.

38 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:41:01am

this is from the left's own playbook

accuse others of what YOU are doing

but sadly, some Americans don't catch on to this tactic
because the power of suggestion overwhelms them

39 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:41:17am

re: #18 Shug

only if he steps in cat shit

I have some I can donate......
(You really don't like cats, so you? We must fix this flaw of yours......)

40 kynna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:41:38am

re: #21 Charles

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

It's a bald-faced inversion of reality. And their nutjob following will pick it up as fact. I really think they're out of legal bounds here.

41 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:41:45am

Time to go play with the PS3. My BP is high and my left eye is twitching. bbiab

42 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:41:55am

re: #12 Honorary Yooper

Wait just a fucking minute here. It was Pamela and Robert who linked up with the fucking neo-fucking-fascists in Europe

Paging Dr. Freud. I guess he was right about that "projection" business.

43 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #23 avanti

I just posted this down thread and it ties in with this one.

"The same with blogs on either the right or left. If you point out that a comment might just be off the rails due to political bias, you are dog piled as a infiltrator from the other side.
Blogs, like TV shows will be more popular if you just feed the mind set of either side. The country is now being spoon fed the versions of "facts" they want to hear from each side, and pity the fool that tries to discuss the issue.
The crazier Beck gets, the better his rating will be, and the harder for fair minded conservatives to restrain him."

ah, but Avanti
conservatives do try and reign in each other
unlike the left
or should I say the intolerant, sometimes violent, left

44 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:42:31am

Projection

pure and simple

45 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:42:45am

Linked up? Gee, I might have linked to Atlas Shrugs or Jihad Watch at some time in the past (and probably quite frequently too before their combined meltdowns), but does that mean I'm linked up with neo-Nazis or Stormfront?

I don't think so.

I don't get their hatred and animosity towards Charles because he pointed out the obvious perils of dealing with a bunch of Euro-trash who were peddling anti-Semitic and flat out neo-Nazi positions behind a thin veneer of anti-jihad statements. If I were them, I would have thanked Charles for uncovering the true intentions and backed away from the VB and other neo-Nazis. Instead, they've cozied up.

They're not quite right in the head for doing that and the ongoing attacks don't make their case either.

It's just sad.

46 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:00am

re: #25 Dianna

She's pretty.

People didn't notice that she was an hysteric because they didn't want to. They didn't notice that one week she'd be hanging on somebody's arm, and the next she'd be reviling them in over-the-top terms.

And all because she's pretty and has big breasts.

Oh! I didn't know that! *goes and lurks there too*

/sarc

47 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:02am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Paging Dr. Freud. I guess he was right about that "projection" business.

"Hey! That cigar IS just a cigar!"

48 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #15 JammieWearingFool

You got linked to Glenn Greenwald (socky mcsockpuppet) too? /

49 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:43am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Paging Dr. Freud. I guess he was right about that "projection" business.

heh. you beat me by a few seconds.

GMTA

50 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:45am

Wow, did everyone have their crazy flakes this morning? It's the breakfast of conspiracy nuts!

51 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:43:47am

Geller is a tool with a rack, and I think a lot of people have caught on.

52 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:04am

re: #25 Dianna

She's pretty.

People didn't notice that she was an hysteric because they didn't want to. They didn't notice that one week she'd be hanging on somebody's arm, and the next she'd be reviling them in over-the-top terms.

And all because she's pretty and has big breasts.

Well, we're used to women and their foibles and have gotten used to allowing ourselves to be made fools if the payoff is made and will tolerate much, if only for a little while.

53 kynna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:11am

re: #38 Adrenalyn

this is from the left's own playbook

accuse others of what YOU are doing

but sadly, some Americans don't catch on to this tactic
because the power of suggestion overwhelms them

Exactly. We've been seeing it for decades and especially in the last eight years. I wish I could believe they don't actually believe their projection, but I'm afraid they do.

54 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:16am

Who are these people (Geller & Robert)? I never heard of them till I joined LGF back in August. I brought up Geller's website, and this is just my opinion, but it is mucho bizarro -- why has she painted herself gold, like that girl in Goldfinger? And who, or what is Robert? Am unable to determine the purpose of his blog.

55 zombie  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:39am

In Robert Spencer's original post, he concedes that:

"In any case, this little Canadian hate party has a lengthy list of links on its site -- a peculiar amalgam of mainstream and generally benign sites (CBS News, CNN, Fox News, National Review), some controversial sites, and many leftist sites, jihadist sites, neo-Nazi sites, and racist sites. Among them are..."

So, basically, they link to every imaginable kind of site. So what, exactly, is the scandal here? Is CBS News now a neo-Nazi site because they're linked to?

This "attack" is completely bizarre and baseless.

I've been linked to by jihadist sites, porn sites, whack-job sites of every stripe. I have no control over that. Nor does any one.

56 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:39am

This is the most embarrassing case of cherchez la femme I've seen in years.

57 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:40am

re: #50 doppelganglander

Wow, did everyone have their crazy flakes this morning? It's the breakfast of conspiracy nuts!

No, but I've had a couple of snow flurries in the NYC metro area. Does that count? /

58 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:44:45am

re: #52 Capitalist Tool

Well, we're used to women and their foibles and have gotten used to allowing ourselves to be made fools if the payoff is made and will tolerate much, if only for a little while.

Yeah, well.

59 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:45:50am

re: #51 Hhar

Geller is a tool with a rack, and I think a lot of people have caught on.

She has a rack? I would never have known given the modest pictures she posts of herself.

/

60 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:07am

re: #36 MandyManners

Why don't you shut the fuck up? You've already compared us to Beck here today.

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

61 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:08am

re: #48 lawhawk

You got linked to Glenn Greenwald (socky mcsockpuppet) too? /

I think I got a mention from him before. Sullivan actually linked me about a year ago, although he's quite lucid compared with Atlas.

62 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:12am
63 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:25am

re: #54 FloridaAnole

Robert Spencer used to be one of those blogs you read for information about the global jihad.

For all I know, he's still informative, but I've never liked his comments section, and the last time I looked, I thought I was going to throw up.

64 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:40am

re: #58 Dianna

Yeah, well.

Boys will be boys. I've even "dated" some artsy- fartsy anti- war chicks in my time. Comes the time, though...

65 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

Would you like a little cheese with that whine?

66 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:06am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

Yes, you do. And others have a right to examine and critique that opinion.

67 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

She has a rack? I would never have known given the modest pictures she posts of herself.

/

I think she had a lift - or a better bra - recently. She's getting a little long in the - tooth - for those plunging necklines.

68 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #56 Catttt

This is the most embarrassing case of cherchez la femme I've seen in years.

I need a "What?!" button. I really do!

That one went right by me? Help?

69 S'latch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:15am

I respect William F. Buckley's response to Gore Vidal when Vidal called Buckley a Nazi. I think it is appropriate to express extreme anger as this charge when it is false.

Youtube Video
70 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:18am

It's like that mole game. He just keeps popping up and getting whacked on the head, then popping up again somewhere else.

71 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:23am
72 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:26am

re: #43 Adrenalyn

ah, but Avanti
conservatives do try and reign in each other

The link Charles posted would indicate otherwise. Geller et. al. are not trying to "reign in" anyone, they just need to hate.

Indeed, that is why LGF, Frum, and the few others who are pointing out the increasing fringe-ness arising are now being dumped upon by so many who self declare themselves as "conservatives".

73 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:35am

re: #41 MandyManners

Time to go play with the PS3. My BP is high and my left eye is twitching. bbiab

Fallout 3! It's practically a training simulator for life after the Obama Presidency.

74 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:42am

Stupid is as stupid does.

75 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #63 Dianna

Robert Spencer used to be one of those blogs you read for information about the global jihad.

For all I know, he's still informative, but I've never liked his comments section, and the last time I looked, I thought I was going to throw up.

Oh dear, some of the commentors he has there make me sick. Many of them also comment over at GoV. A good number of them used to comment here until they managed to get themselves banned for being total and complete assholes.

76 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

I NEVER dog pile. I cat scratch. :D

77 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #37 Dianna

She hasn't changed, you know. She was always like this.

Robert wasn't.

Also, Geller didn't attack Charles until she cozied up to the Nazis.

78 zombie  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:47:53am

I have it on good authority that the Nazi Party site links to...Google! ! ! ! !

Google are Nazis!

79 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:06am

re: #68 Dianna

I need a "What?!" button. I really do!

That one went right by me? Help?

We could call it a Maisey Button...:)

80 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:13am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

and maybe one of these days you'll have one that's worth sharing.

until then, STFU.

81 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:28am

re: #21 Charles

By the way, I let about 90% of this crap go by without commenting on it. But I'm not going to let these creeps continue without responding.

You can't win.
I posted this earlier this morning ...

Follow the (HotAir) comment thread, and you'll see one or more comments that say "it's obviously not Charles", etc.

Which means, of course, that the majority of the readers thought it was, in fact, you posting.

82 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:35am

re: #60 avanti

I have a friggin right to a opinion.

And we have a friggin right to dogpile. What's your point? Libs never learn that although you have may have a right to express yourself, you don't have the right to be protected from ridicule when your expression is asinine.

83 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:41am

I can't even read that junk. It makes no sense.

84 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #64 Capitalist Tool

Boys will be boys. I've even "dated" some artsy- fartsy anti- war chicks in my time. Comes the time, though...

And girls will be girls, too.

Can we drop this, before I have to bring up the sprite I dated for five years?

85 pegcity  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:49:05am

yeah jihadwatch is pretty insane now, the comments are nuts

86 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:49:19am

Projection, when a delusional coward can't take due criticism and reality looms overhead like a spiteful God try like hell to paint the other guy as the villain.

87 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

She has a rack? I would never have known given the modest pictures she posts of herself.

/

Hell ,,, due to those pictures I didn't know she had a face till recently!
//

88 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:49:47am

re: #67 Catttt

I think she had a lift - or a better bra - recently. She's getting a little long in the - tooth - for those plunging necklines.

*Meow.*

89 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:02am
Youtube Video
90 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:36am

Constant violation of the Iron Fist Rule,IMO.

91 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:49am

OT, Is there a translation out of what that idiot Turkish guy was saying in black face?

92 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #67 Catttt

I think she had a lift - or a better bra - recently. She's getting a little long in the - tooth - for those plunging necklines.

I was going to say she's getting a little long in the neckline for that plunging neckline

93 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:53am

re: #78 zombie

I have it on good authority that the Nazi Party site links to...Google! ! ! ! !

Google are Nazis!

You might be closer than you think...
when they went public with their motto: "Do No Harm"... I knew them for who they really are. Such touchy- feely pronouncements are often a precursor to a fleecing

The progenitors of Google are fearsome fellows and at least Barons if not Kings.

94 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:50:57am

Gaze boy has a new icon.

Gaze.

95 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:25am

re: #63 Dianna

Robert Spencer used to be one of those blogs you read for information about the global jihad.

For all I know, he's still informative, but I've never liked his comments section, and the last time I looked, I thought I was going to throw up.

So now he's conducting a jihad against other conservatives? Not very helpful. Osama Bin Laden must be LHAO.

96 pink freud  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:29am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Let the puns begin!

Screw loose

Wingnut

Trouble coping with what she saw

No clue as to what really miters

You're awl just chiseling away at her; she can't help it if she's become unhinged.

97 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

Please stop making this about you. Go back to that thread and discuss it.

98 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #84 Dianna

And girls will be girls, too.

Can we drop this, before I have to bring up the sprite I dated for five years?

inset big wide grin here>

99 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:49am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

Yes you have the right to an opinion. You have the right to think about that opinion before you post it. Then you have the right to read the comments based on that opinion.

Sometimes I think you are still in Jr. High...your comments are always from sources that are removed a bit from day to day living. Like you read something and then try to apply it to daily life...but you can't because you haven't experienced daily life.

You have the right to be wrong and we support your right to be wrong. We try and fair here....

100 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #77 MandyManners

Robert wasn't.

Also, Geller didn't attack Charles until she cozied up to the Nazis.

I don't understand Robert Spencer, but then, I didn't follow his blog. I tended to skim it, and I never commented, that I'm aware of.

101 LionOfDixon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:10am

Robert Spencer is God? Damn, I thought I was wasting my time with that Yahweh stuff......Why doesn't somebody tell me this stuff earlier....

102 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

fuck you....you imbecile

103 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:26am

re: #67 Catttt

I think she had a lift - or a better bra - recently. She's getting a little long in the - tooth - for those plunging necklines.

That's not the teeth that are getting longer.....

/Runs for Shelter. Shelter!

104 essayons7  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:31am

That's incredibly pathetic.

105 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:36am

I am not sure that I agree with this whole 'dog pile' thing. After all, we are all here to express our opinions, it just so happens that, like most blogging sites, the majority of the people here fit into a certain political niche. So when someone comes in that doesn't fit into that niche, and posts in a disrespectful way, they are going to have a large percentage of people disagree strongly with them. I don't consider that a 'dog pile', it is just everyone expressing their opinion.

106 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:39am

re: #94 karmic_inquisitor

Gaze boy has a new icon.

Gaze.

The 'text' part of your avatar would make a great bumper sticker.

107 pegcity  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:52:43am

Pamela dosen't seem to realize that as soon as the nazis were done with her they'd toss her in the oven

108 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:10am
109 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:12am

re: #88 Dianna

*Meow.*

Youtube Video
110 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #68 Dianna

I need a "What?!" button. I really do!

That one went right by me? Help?

The French - have a word for it, as they say. From Wiki:

Cherchez la femme is a French phrase which literally means "look for the woman."

The expression comes from the 1854 book The Mohicans of Paris by Alexandre Dumas (père). The original passage reads:

Il y a une femme dans toutes les affaires; aussitôt qu'on me fait un rapport, je dis: 'Cherchez la femme'.

Translated into English this reads:

There is a woman in every case; as soon as they bring me a report, I say, 'Look for the woman'.

The phrase embodies a cliché of detective pulp fiction: no matter what the problem, a woman is often the root cause. The phrase has also come to mean more simply "Look for the root cause of the problem."

111 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:24am

18:08 Syria: Israel must stick to previous peace talks commitments (AP)

This is why dealing with Arabs is hopeless. Any thing, no matter who raised it or how outrages, is taken a a given the next time you sit down to talk to these animals.

112 J.D.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:32am

re: #25 Dianna

She's pretty.

People didn't notice that she was an hysteric because they didn't want to. They didn't notice that one week she'd be hanging on somebody's arm, and the next she'd be reviling them in over-the-top terms.

And all because she's pretty and has big breasts.

Go figure.
She struck me as a "user" from Day 1.

113 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:34am

Well Charles, one thing is for sure, you can tell the strength of your character by those who consider you an enemy.

114 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:41am

These is disgusting and laughable at the same time! When one wants to come up with a conspiracy theory then it should make some sense at least, to link LGF to Neo-Nazis by the same people who are hanging out by European Fascists is pathetically stupid.
Atlas had links and information taken directly from a Nazi thug and even when it was pointed out by her commentators and on LGF no apology or clarification was made. She had made the most absurd claims and posts that made her site become a real joke. That's her way of defense.

115 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:53:47am

Oh dear, they really are deranged!

Pam & Robert are asserting the Charles Johnson is "linked up" with neo-nazis because an obscure Canadian white supremacist site included LGF on it's link-list.

The link list also includes Mother Jones, Muslim Brotherhood, Huffington Post, DEBKA , and numerous KKK and white supremacist sites.

And this means they are all "linked" together. Right. Pam & Robert are paranoid, projecting their hatreds on others. Get help.

116 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:54:05am

re: #96 pink freud

You're awl just chiseling away at her; she can't help it if she's become unhinged.

I was going to axe you a question....but I forgot what it was......

117 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:54:12am

re: #103 acwgusa

That's not the teeth that are getting longer.....

/Runs for Shelter. Shelter!

Thank you, Captain Obvious! :D

118 Gella  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:54:22am

insanity at its worst

119 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:54:37am

re: #101 LionOfDixon

Robert Spencer is God? Damn, I thought I was wasting my time with that Yahweh stuff......Why doesn't somebody tell me this stuff earlier....

Urantian acolytes have been biding their time and haven't bothered to set the world straight, yet

120 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #106 jwb7605

thx. keep meaning to get some made up. you just motivated me to do it.

121 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:55:08am

re: #110 Catttt

Ah! You think Spencer went nuts because of Pamela?

122 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #113 Mithrax

Well Charles, one thing is for sure, you can tell the strength of your character by those who consider you an enemy.

well put

123 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:55:35am

bbl

124 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:55:48am

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

125 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #120 karmic_inquisitor

thx. keep meaning to get some made up. you just motivated me to do it.

Count me in as a customer. Seriously. You'd have well over half the nation, regardless of "party affiliation" sporting that one. It would be better than the tea party stuff.

126 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:56:37am

re: #122 karmic_inquisitor

well put

Is that a golf pun?
:)

127 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:56:47am

The Stormfront commenters cannot keep their true feelings to themselves. Check out this piece of execrable garbage:

Although there is a lot of material on both sites I have serious reservations over someone that on a cursory glance seems to gloss over the Jewish influence both as a result of the creation of the state of Israel and their actions in dismantling healthy nationalist policies such as the White Australia Policy.

It's a bit like saying "Look! Look at the Muslims rioting and behaving like twats and whilst distracted the Jews steal your wallet."

128 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:56:55am

At the rate they're going, Pamela and Robert will be slam-dunks for a Fiskie nomination by the end of this year.

129 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:11am

re: #80 redc1c4

and maybe one of these days you'll have one that's worth sharing.

until then, STFU.

OK, let's do a quick review of the Normandy thread to see what was wrong with my opinion.

Someone posted a link from the overseas press saying BHO passed on a Normandy trip so as not to offend the Germans, then that was spun to the POTUS dissing the fallen troops.
I read the link and got the impression that the administration was just balancing face time with the allies. The article also mentioned a possible trip in June. When I just stated that, the skies opened up to a shit storm even including fake Obama quotes about Normandy. It turns out we may have all been wrong since BHO is going to Normandy in June for the 65th anniversary.
Don't get me wrong, I endured similar shit storms on the leftie sites, but someday, somewhere, the crazy shit has to stop.

130 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:12am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

Just got?

Looks like another case of 'create a crisis to take advantage of.'

131 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:14am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

lunatics...they should be locked away

132 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

I saw that. Can't Superman just do this?

133 McJenny50  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:29am

It's all very strange

134 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #126 LGoPs

Is that a golf pun?
:)

Fore you? Anything.

135 Euler  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:47am

A website S is certainly responsible for its reference S-->T to a toxic website T. But to blame website S for toxic website T's reference T-->S to S is nonsense. I recommend a course in directed graph theory to Mr. Spencer.

136 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:57:51am

re: #129 avanti

Don't drag disagreements from one thread into another, for pity's sake!

137 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #96 pink freud

Don't get so torqued up about it. I'm sure you'll nail things down sooner or later. Then again, don't hammer home the point so hard, or else you might need to glue together the remnants.

138 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:07am

re: #69 Lawrence Schmerel

I respect William F. Buckley's response to Gore Vidal when Vidal called Buckley a Nazi. I think it is appropriate to express extreme anger as this charge when it is false.

I wouldn't have blamed Buckley for punching out Vidal, being told to shut up and your a Nazi within a span of a minute is outrageous.

139 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #121 Dianna

Ah! You think Spencer went nuts because of Pamela?

I'm gonna' refrain from a quip about whipping.

140 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:15am

The neo-nazi Canadian hatesite also provides links to CBS News, CNN, Fox News, National Review, and, of course, DEBKA...yeah, all, no doubt a powerful consortium expressing a "unified" worldview...

/

141 KenJen  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:31am

Pam and Rob are stuck on stupid!

142 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #129 avanti

Don't try to hijack the thread.

143 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #139 MandyManners

I'm gonna' refrain from a quip about whipping.

Probably a laudable piece of restraint.

I need coffee.

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #72 freetoken

The link Charles posted would indicate otherwise. Geller et. al. are not trying to "reign in" anyone, they just need to hate.

Indeed, that is why LGF, Frum, and the few others who are pointing out the increasing fringe-ness arising are now being dumped upon by so many who self declare themselves as "conservatives".

Your own statement, the last one, in fact indicates that conservatives do indeed try to rein in the fringe.

145 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:49am
146 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #134 Ford_Prefect

Fore you? Anything.

Tee Hee........
:)

147 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:58am

re: #129 avanti

OK, let's do a quick review of the Normandy thread to see what was wrong with my opinion.

Someone posted a link from the overseas press saying BHO passed on a Normandy trip so as not to offend the Germans, then that was spun to the POTUS dissing the fallen troops.
I read the link and got the impression that the administration was just balancing face time with the allies. The article also mentioned a possible trip in June. When I just stated that, the skies opened up to a shit storm even including fake Obama quotes about Normandy. It turns out we may have all been wrong since BHO is going to Normandy in June for the 65th anniversary.
Don't get me wrong, I endured similar shit storms on the leftie sites, but someday, somewhere, the crazy shit has to stop.

you are an insult to partiotic Americans....blind, deaf and dumb media bot

148 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:04am

re: #134 Ford_Prefect

Fore you? Anything.

It's a wedge strategy.

149 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:11am

Boobs and Brains
Image: i-wish-these-were-brains.jpg

the all time classic

150 kynna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

Are you saying no one should argue

their

opinions after you've exercised your right to express yours?

That is classic leftist. You get to exercise your rights, but everyone else exercising theirs is infringement upon yours. I reject that notion.

151 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:31am

The only thing I know is, Charles' credibility is growing day by day. The other two may as well unplug their computers. Nobody cares about them anymore.

152 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:32am

re: #148 lawhawk

It's a wedge strategy.

I am green with envy.

153 KenJen  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:36am

re: #142 Ward Cleaver

Don't try to hijack the thread.

Oh let him. Then we can retake the thread and throw him overboard.

154 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #134 Ford_Prefect

Fore you? Anything.

I've got some clothes that need ironing....

155 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #131 albusteve

Playing God has never worked out well for those that try it. What happens if the world goes into a death spiral of cooling with no growing season?

156 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:47am

re: #143 Dianna

Probably a laudable piece of restraint.

I need coffee.

Heh. You said "piece".

157 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:51am

re: #121 Dianna

I think Spencer was always a bit off plumb. Smart guy, interesting site sometimes, but never really trusted him.

A little too interested in mauintaining the us vs them. But then again, I'm an old-fashioned Liberal, so what can I say.


I think Spencer was always a bit off plumb. Smart guy, interesting site sometimes, but never really trusted him.

A little too interested in mauintaining the us vs them. But then again, I'm an old-fashioned Liberal, so what can I say.

158 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:59:51am

re: #91 pat

I think he may have just been doing a translation and thought the black face was cute. No matter what he was saying, the black face was offensive by American standards.

159 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:11am

re: #139 MandyManners

I'm gonna' refrain from a quip about whipping.

The Flogging Will Continue…Until Morale Improves!

160 razorbacker  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:14am

I'd heard about Ms. Geller, and wandered over to look at the website.

Slow to load, hangs up at the drop of a hat, and the content was substandard.

Didn't take two visits to decide that she wasn't going to make the 'bookmark' list.

161 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:20am
162 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:25am

re: #153 KenJen

Oh let him. Then we can retake the thread and throw him overboard.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

163 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:30am

re: #154 SasquatchOnSteroids

I've got some clothes that need ironing....

I have a caddy....lac

164 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:30am

re: #151 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The only thing I know is, Charles' credibility is growing day by day. The other two may as well unplug their computers. Nobody cares about them anymore.

No, the problem is that people still care about them, and consider them reputable.

165 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:31am

dang. Sorry bout the repetitive redundancy. PIMF.

166 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:38am

re: #155 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Playing God has never worked out well for those that try it. What happens if the world goes into a death spiral of cooling with no growing season?

they have no clue...it's not about climate, it's about power

167 Rednek  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:00:42am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.



WASHINGTON (AP) - The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

This isn't just insane, it is deadly dangerous. Pontifications on healing the earth are one thing, actually trying to control earth's climate is another.

168 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #129 avanti

A quick review of that thread also shows you didn't address the finer points - like how European press outlets were showing that Obama purposefully dissed Sarkozy, instead letting him think that a Normandy visit was going to happen, but never had any intention of visiting the burial place of US servicemembers who died liberating Europe from the Nazis.

But thanks for playing.

169 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #148 lawhawk

It's a wedge strategy.

Robert and Pamela have adopted a bunker mentality.

/like how i fit the whole nazi thing in there too?

/hitler in the bunker?

170 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:09am

re: #163 LGoPs

I have a caddy....lac

Do you have a driver too?

171 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:16am

re: #153 KenJen

Oh let him. Then we can retake the thread and throw him overboard.

Cut him first.

172 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:20am

re: #155 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Playing God has never worked out well for those that try it. What happens if the world goes into a death spiral of cooling with no growing season?

Following the logic, it would simply be a matter of Reverse Engineering.

I wish I were kidding.

173 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:24am

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

You betcha. Why not show the way, and admit that Obama does not sh*t ice cream?

I sense another dogpile coming.......arf!

174 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:28am

Six powers say will invite Iran for nuclear talks
Published: 04.08.09, 18:37 / Israel News
Six major powers said on Wednesday they would invite Iran for talks to seek a diplomatic solution to the dispute over its nuclear programme.

The United States, Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain said in a statement they would ask European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana to invite Iran to a meeting "so that together we may find a diplomatic solution to this critical issue." (Reuters)

Pitiful just pitiful.

175 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:36am

re: #15 JammieWearingFool

The pathetic thing is as a blogger you cannot control who links to you and these idiots have to know this. While I'm relatively small potatoes, I get links from some sites I'd rather not, but what can you do?

Oh, you're big potatoes in my book. Big brown Idaho potatoes. And sour cream.

176 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:00am

re: #163 LGoPs

I have a caddy....lac

I'm an awesome Driver.

177 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:03am

Man, this is friggin' nuts! It's disturbing to see someone I previously had a lot of respect for like Robert Spencer becoming a kook. To anyone who spends any time at LGF, linking Charles with Nazis is the height of crazy. I don't always agree with Charles, but he's been pretty consistent in staying away from Nazis and their white supremacist pals, an issue I do agree with him 100%. Even if the Left still always refer to LGF as a racist hate site.

Let's face, Charles has some stones. He gets it from the Left and the Right, it would have been easy to go with flow either way to get people to like him but he's stood by his convictions. That's not easy to do, folks.

178 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

Robert and Pamela have adopted a bunker mentality.

/like how i fit the whole nazi thing in there too?

/hitler in the bunker?

Divit work for you?

179 jamgarr  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:11am

William F.!

180 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:13am

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

And without violating Godwin's law. Eggcellent! /Monty Burns

181 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:45am

I find these accusations against the man who received threats from Nazis more than absurd. They are so absurd that I believe they do not need to be addressed even. They are as stupid as "Obama is the child of Malcolm x". Pamella's blog has become so surrealistically stupid.
See this
No Bail for Neo-Nazi Moron

A post or 10 from Atlas or any other blog will change nothing. Facts remain facts.

182 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:02:56am

re: #178 Ford_Prefect

Divit work for you?

Oh my that one, went right into the rough...:)

183 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:03:12am

re: #180 lawhawk

And without violating Godwin's law. Eggcellent! /Monty Burns

This thread was Godwined even before the posting started.

184 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:04:06am

re: #182 Dustyvet

Oh my that one, went right into the rough...:)

Well this hole thread is slice of reality.

185 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:04:08am

re: #176 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'm an awesome Driver.

Par don me?

186 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:04:27am

re: #158 avanti

I think he may have just been doing a translation and thought the black face was cute. No matter what he was saying, the black face was offensive by American standards.

That is what it sounded like. Just trying to confirm. The tone deafness of Muslims is appalling. Comes from the constant declarations that they are superior.

187 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:04:27am

re: #131 albusteve

lunatics...they should be locked away

One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

Doesn't this suggest that the SUN is the problem?

188 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #45 lawhawk

Bingo - I think you hit the nail on the head. It is nothing but a classic case, to paraphrase Charles Krauthammer, of Charles Derangement Syndrome.

As Pam gets increasingly shrill, driven by hate and fear, she has decided to go over the top. Rather than accept being talked down from the precipit, she surrendered to desperation and became blind deciding to make a deal with the devil in the effort to defeat her fear and those she hates. Spencer is far more intellectually bankrupt as he knows that the people he is joining as allies are odious - but prefers to ignore those things in order to have an ally to fight islamofascism. Both of them are locked into the islamo fight - and are willing to exchange one form of fascism for another.

As the derangement grows, we, unfortunately, can expect more pathetic efforts to smear Charles and LGF as the problem, not the reasoned and principled manner to fight back.

189 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #185 LGoPs

Par don me?

Two puns in the hand are worth a bird in the bush.

190 Rednek  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #187 yesandno

Doesn't this suggest that the SUN is the problem?

Shut up! The science is settled!

/

191 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:31am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

The Chinese once deployed anti-aircraft guns to stop hail from destroying their crops. I guess we have a new heir to the throne.

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #185 LGoPs

Par don me?

I said, how do you get a handkerchief to dance ?

Blow a little bogey in it.

193 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #189 Ford_Prefect

Two puns in the hand are worth a bird in the bush.

reminds me of that song.....Bye, Bye Birdie.......

194 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:09am

OT, but here's some more information on the North Korean missile:
North Korean Launch Fails to Put Anything Into Orbit
It was a 3-stage rocket, and apparently, the 2nd stage either didn't fire or didn't fire long enough; the 3rd stage never fired, "depriving U.S. intelligence agencies from assessing performance of the vehicle's third stage".

195 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #191 Idle Drifter

The Chinese once deployed anti-aircraft guns to stop hail from destroying their crops. I guess we have a new heir to the throne.

How did that work out for the Chinese?

196 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:36am

re: #184 Ford_Prefect

Well this hole thread is slice of reality.

Hole in one, hole in one!

197 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:42am
198 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:44am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

OT, but here's some more information on the North Korean missile:
North Korean Launch Fails to Put Anything Into Orbit
It was a 3-stage rocket, and apparently, the 2nd stage either didn't fire or didn't fire long enough; the 3rd stage never fired, "depriving U.S. intelligence agencies from assessing performance of the vehicle's third stage".

Actually I think we can assess it now: the shit didn't work :P

199 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:45am

I must have missed the part where this blog began discussing the Turner Diaries as a factual textbook of LGFer's political beliefs.

She just does not know what she is talking about.

200 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:48am

re: #193 LGoPs

reminds me of that song.....Bye, Bye Birdie.......

That was a fairway from the point.

201 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:48am

Anything for a few hits... losers.

202 tfc3rid  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

OT, but here's some more information on the North Korean missile:
North Korean Launch Fails to Put Anything Into Orbit
It was a 3-stage rocket, and apparently, the 2nd stage either didn't fire or didn't fire long enough; the 3rd stage never fired, "depriving U.S. intelligence agencies from assessing performance of the vehicle's third stage".

They don't need to put a nuke into orbit... LOL Did anyone really think they were putting something into orbit?

203 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #157 Hhar

I think Spencer was always a bit off plumb. Smart guy, interesting site sometimes, but never really trusted him.

A little too interested in mauintaining the us vs them. But then again, I'm an old-fashioned Liberal, so what can I say.


I think Spencer was always a bit off plumb. Smart guy, interesting site sometimes, but never really trusted him.

A little too interested in mauintaining the us vs them. But then again, I'm an old-fashioned Liberal, so what can I say.

Double your pleasure, double your fun?

204 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #187 yesandno

Doesn't this suggest that the SUN is the problem?

the EVIL SUN MUST BE STOPPED!

205 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:30am

re: #138 Idle Drifter

I wouldn't have blamed Buckley for punching out Vidal, being told to shut up and your a Nazi within a span of a minute is outrageous.

My words just in case of any misunderstanding. PIMF

206 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:30am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

OT, but here's some more information on the North Korean missile:
North Korean Launch Fails to Put Anything Into Orbit
It was a 3-stage rocket, and apparently, the 2nd stage either didn't fire or didn't fire long enough; the 3rd stage never fired, "depriving U.S. intelligence agencies from assessing performance of the vehicle's third stage".

So what your saying is that a nation that can't feed it's people sucks at high tech?

207 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #200 Ford_Prefect

That was a fairway from the point.

These puns threads are very eagleitarian. Anyone can jump in......

208 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

On the Nork rocket launch:
I forgot to add, since the 2nd stage didn't work properly, the Iranians didn't get what they paid for. I wonder if they'll want their money back.

209 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #134 Ford_Prefect

Fore you? Anything.

you're a fair way towards getting the shaft, which could be rough, unless you wind up in a bunker.

210 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #135 Euler

It's always about mathematics with you isn't it? Well, we don't need no stinking mathematics! Look, an obscure Neo-Nazi site listed LGF on it's link list, which can only mean one thing: Charles is sleeping with Eva Braun.

//

211 Earick  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:01am

Charles!
You don't have to give this bunch all this publicity. They are obviously small potatoes and do not deserve to be mentioned on this(our) web site.

As for 'Stormfront', first time I have been to their website. ...Thanks Charles! I could have skipped that experience! What a bunch of idiots!
Not you, Charles! The stormDrooper wannaBe's!

212 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:24am

By the way Charles, that genocidal facebook account that Robert Spencer joined.... what was the name of that, again?

213 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:28am

re: #207 LGoPs

These puns threads are very eagleitarian. Anyone can jump in......

The sound that a golf cart makes is: 'putt..putt..putt'.

214 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #124 Mithrax

OT: Obama's environmental science just got......
absurd.

They should be very careful if they want to put too many particulates into the upper atmosphere. Too many, and you get the summer of 1816 all over again.

215 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:35am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

On the Nork rocket launch:
I forgot to add, since the 2nd stage didn't work properly, the Iranians didn't get what they paid for. I wonder if they'll want their money back.

sure...send us the bill, we'll take care of it

216 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:37am

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

You betcha. Why not show the way, and admit that Obama does not sh*t ice cream?

I can do that in a heartbeat. He does not shit ice creme, nor is he "a piece of shit" He's a man that makes mistakes that can be called out, but not every action is a mistake or a sinister act.

217 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:39am

re: #202 tfc3rid

They don't need to put a nuke into orbit... LOL Did anyone really think they were putting something into orbit?

No but don't most ICBMs go into space and reenter?

218 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

On the Nork rocket launch:
I forgot to add, since the 2nd stage didn't work properly, the Iranians didn't get what they paid for. I wonder if they'll want their money back.

Sure. The NorKors will print it up in a jiffy.

219 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:55am

It's a shame no one respects Godwin's Law anymore.

220 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:08:58am

OT
Apparantly the US electrical grid (check the news, wherever you may find it), has been infiltrated, and some "software" has been "left" on the system, which, according to the many no-information-having articles I've read, may be activatable later on.

Not one single article asks whether the software which we know has been left on the system can be removed. Why? Not one commentor in any of the stories which allow comments has asked this question. Why? Is this not the most obvious question which comes to mind after reading that something malicious has been planted somewhere? CAN THE "SOFTWARE" WHICH WAS "LEFT" BE REMOVED?

Good god, the stupid, it BURNS!

221 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:09:02am

re: #209 redc1c4

you're a fair way towards getting the shaft, which could be rough, unless you wind up in a bunker.

There are some repeats there but I will give you a mulligan.

222 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:09:29am

re: #188 Athos

[SNIP]

As the derangement grows, we, unfortunately, can expect more pathetic efforts to smear <name> and <website> as the problem, not the reasoned and principled manner to fight back.

It's not just Charles and not just LGF, and I suspect he agrees with that.

I did upding your comment.

223 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #121 Dianna

Ah! You think Spencer went nuts because of Pamela?

I'm trying to avoid saying that so bluntly! Shhhhhhhhhhh! But yeah.

224 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:06am

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

They should be very careful if they want to put too many particulates into the upper atmosphere. Too many, and you get the summer of 1816 all over again.

They would find a way to blame it on Bush.

225 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #211 Earick

Charles!
You don't have to give this bunch all this publicity. They are obviously small potatoes and do not deserve to be mentioned on this(our) web site.

As for 'Stormfront', first time I have been to their website. ...Thanks Charles! I could have skipped that experience! What a bunch of idiots!
Not you, Charles! The stormDrooper wannaBe's!

My ISP won't even let me go to Stormfront.

226 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:11am

re: #221 Ford_Prefect

There are some repeats there but I will give you a mulligan.

I'm all punned out. I can't even hazard a guess........

227 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:13am

Charles, I really do respect you for your work and your mind. I don't agree with you on everything and I though I do agree with your boycotting (not the best word) of the racist hate-group Vlaams Bleng (spelling?), I have to say that posting a link to the hate-site stormfront is in bad taste. I know it's just a google cache to the post but, geez. These people are creepy and insane.

228 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:40am

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

Does Pamela have an enemies list, or just a rogue's Gellery?

No, there is an actual list.

229 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:41am

re: #202 tfc3rid

They don't need to put a nuke into orbit... LOL Did anyone really think they were putting something into orbit?

They might have planned to, because that is a demonstration of their ability to launch bombs, if they could miniaturize them.

"Once they are successful with a third stage they would have a missile that could reach the western U.S.," according to Rep. Jane Harmon (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the House Homeland Security Subcommittee On Intelligence and Risk Assessment. "This is very serious and so it is critical that this administration play keen attention to this test activity," she said in a recent NBC interview.
Light-weight variations of the TD-2 with an advanced third stage could fly as far as 15,000 kilometers (9,315 miles) placing much of the U.S. at risk from a nuclear or biological attack if the North Koreans are able to master the miniaturization of such weapons.


I'm sure the 0bama administration will be reaching out to them with more advanced technology, if they'd only unclench their fists.

230 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #226 LGoPs

I'm all punned out. I can't even hazard a guess........

Oh, quit your balling.

231 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:10:45am

re: #220 Taqiyyotomist

OT
Apparantly the US electrical grid (check the news, wherever you may find it), has been infiltrated, and some "software" has been "left" on the system, which, according to the many no-information-having articles I've read, may be activatable later on.

Not one single article asks whether the software which we know has been left on the system can be removed. Why? Not one commentor in any of the stories which allow comments has asked this question. Why? Is this not the most obvious question which comes to mind after reading that something malicious has been planted somewhere? CAN THE "SOFTWARE" WHICH WAS "LEFT" BE REMOVED?

Good god, the stupid, it BURNS!

So I guess I can deduce from this that the Electrical Grid uses Windows? They shoulda bought a MAC.

232 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #225 MandyManners

My ISP won't even let me go to Stormfront.

Well, it just did but, it's a movie site of some sort.

233 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:11:11am
234 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #226 LGoPs

I'm all punned out. I can't even hazard a guess........

Outdoor lights were put up at a golf course - for people who liked swinging nightclubs.

235 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #216 avanti

I can do that in a heartbeat. He does not shit ice creme, nor is he "a piece of shit" He's a man that makes mistakes that can be called out, but not every action is a mistake or a sinister act.

he is an un American neoCommie...just like you

236 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:11am

re: #230 Ford_Prefect

Oh, quit your balling.

I'm sorry. That was kind of a chip shot.

237 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:13am

Big talk from a blogger who's postings generally draw single digit counts of comments.

238 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:15am

re: #221 Ford_Prefect

There are some repeats there but I will give you a mulligan.

Getting in late to the party is always a handicap.

239 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:18am

re: #167 Rednek

This isn't just insane, it is deadly dangerous. Pontifications on healing the earth are one thing, actually trying to control earth's climate is another.

What is the definition of megalomania again?

240 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:19am

re: #206 Nevergiveup

So what your saying is that a nation that can't feed it's people sucks at high tech?

Maybe some of the workers were so hungry they ate the fuel.
/

Actually, most V-2's also failed; they were built by starving slave labor.

241 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:19am

re: #230 Ford_Prefect

Oh, quit your balling.

Golf is a lot like taxes - you drive hard to get to the green and end up in the hole.

242 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:22am

re: #172 jwb7605

The villains in James Bond films and others used to try to control the weather. When did it become a good idea to try to do the same?

243 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:46am

CAN THE "SOFTWARE" WHICH WAS "LEFT" BE REMOVED?

How has an entire internet full of tech-junkies avoided asking this question?

HOW? WTF? Have we reached a stupid saturation point?

244 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:13:05am

re: #225 MandyManners

My ISP won't even let me go to Stormfront.

Your ISP is smarter than Pamela.

245 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #237 CyanSnowHawk

Big talk from a blogger who's postings generally draw single digit counts of comments.

I suspect a fair amount of envy behind these attacks...good point

246 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:13:24am

re: #241 Dustyvet

Golf is a lot like taxes - you drive hard to get to the green and end up in the hole.

I like that. It has a certain hook.

247 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:13:47am

I tried to go there using the link in the Google cache site but, I can't. My ISP won't let me. That just pisses me off to no end. Who do they think they are?!

248 pink freud  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:13:56am

Repost from the LNDT, will being a smile to your face:

Johnny Carson As Ronald Reagan

Youtube Video
249 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:06am

re: #191 Idle Drifter

The Chinese once deployed anti-aircraft guns to stop hail from destroying their crops. I guess we have a new heir to the throne.

The Russians attempted to sow clouds to bring rain to various areas of their country and were partially successful.

This is so far beyond what those attempts tried to accomplish, never mind the fact that the science and evidence of global warming isn't exactly understood as to the proper mechanisms involved. They're basing everything on computer models claiming to show massive temperature increases, but anyone who ever had to do statistical modeling knows that if garbage in - garbage out.

The sun is a huge factor in global weather, and yet COx is the factor when it comprises a fraction of a percent of the global atmosphere?

250 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:06am

re: #240 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe some of the workers were so hungry they ate the fuel.
/

Actually, most V-2's also failed; they were built by starving slave labor.

Yeah in all seriousness, I never understood the Nazis having sick hungry slave labor building high tech weapons? That never made all that much sense top me.

251 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:08am

re: #216 avanti

I can do that in a heartbeat. He does not shit ice creme, nor is he "a piece of shit" He's a man that makes mistakes that can be called out, but not every action is a mistake or a sinister act.

I actually agree with you here. Problem is that he is naive...and sometimes that is worse then making mistakes or a sinister act. Because he heads forwards with the certainty of one who actually knows everything regardless of evidence to the contrary.

And if naivety is faked, then the fact he is sinister comes into play....

252 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:11am

Charles, we appreciate you. Screw 'em. As our fine, upstanding mayor here always says ' Shake off de haters'.....only in this case, it's applicable.
What truly frightened me is that according to today's Politico, BHO reveals his favorite TV character is the gay stickup artist on The Wire who rips off dealers and gives drugs to the poor for free.
Not medically necessary drugs, street ones.
So illustrative.

253 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #242 Mr. In get Mr. Out

The villains in James Bond films and others used to try to control the weather. When did it become a good idea to try to do the same?

Those guys weren't villains. They were among the leaders of great minds that knew the science was settled ...
//// <-

254 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:16am

re: #244 Honorary Yooper

Your ISP is smarter than Pamela.

I have the RIGHT to go there.

255 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:16am

re: #216 avanti

I can do that in a heartbeat. He does not shit ice creme, nor is he "a piece of shit" He's a man that makes mistakes that can be called out, but not every action is a mistake or a sinister act.

you're right: some of them are both.

256 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #217 Nevergiveup

No but don't most ICBMs go into space and reenter?

Yes, they do. This failure indicates the Norks can't hit the US with a missile, yet.

257 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:14:56am

re: #85 pegcity

yeah jihadwatch is pretty insane now, the comments are nuts

Not nuts.
Murderous, genocidal and bordering on the insane.

258 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #247 MandyManners

I tried to go there using the link in the Google cache site but, I can't. My ISP won't let me. That just pisses me off to no end. Who do they think they are?!

Clearly your ISP is owned by Joooooooos.

259 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #256 Kosh's Shadow

There's that pesky ' yet '.
It's not reassuring.

260 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:25am

re: #243 Taqiyyotomist

It would be like someone telling me there's a malicious trojan on my PC, and me asking 100 questions about the virus, "Why is it there?" "What does it do?" "Who left it there" and not asking about the possibility of its removal.

261 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:30am

re: #60 avanti

And I meant it for some of you. The way that Normandy thing was spun to the POTUS disrespecting the troops was the sort of thing Beck does. Then when I tried to express my opinion that I did not see it your way I was a dog piled. I have a friggin right to a opinion.

We all have a right to an opinion. That's why the down-ding for your comment.

262 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:42am

What is the next conspiracy theory? LGF is run by CAIR and Charles has a long beard and four wives?
Sorry for the sarc, but I'm really speechless at the absurdity of these laughable accusations.

If Pamella or Spencer forgot what "Nazi" means exactly, they can ask their European friends for a reminder. It was not long ago when their "allies" decided to hide their swastikas and become "anti-jihad movements", well at least for now!

263 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:15:58am
264 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #233 buzzsawmonkey

Good start. Now, see if you can wrap your mind around the fact that the big, fat bundle of "mistakes" he has made in his not-yet-two-months-in-office all stem from the fact that he is ashamed of the country he was elected to lead, and believes, wrongly, that his mission is to remake it into something different from the nation which elected him.

You can do it; you've made such progress thus far.

Let's just say that's a bit of a leap for me. Like GWB, I think they both love their country and want to reshape it to make it fit their vision better. One was more to the right, the other to the left. Not the first time that pendulum swung, nor the last, and each time, about half the country is pissed.

265 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:09am

re: #253 jwb7605

Don't you know? It was part of the Alan Parsons Project. /

266 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:32am

re: #262 Abu Lahab

I'm afraid most of the Euros have forgotten what the word nazi means.

267 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #256 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, they do. This failure indicates the Norks can't hit the US with a missile, yet.

I have always thought that greatest threat to America was some terrorists sneaking a nuclear weapon into America and not Missile technology just yet anyway.

268 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Your own statement, the last one, in fact indicates that conservatives do indeed try to rein in the fringe.

Ah, but reine, don't you realize that people like Charles and David Frum are not true conservatives?

/

269 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:16:51am

re: #265 lawhawk

Don't you know? It was part of the Alan Parsons Project. /

Is this Preparation H?

270 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:17:15am

A telling quote from Spencer,

White supremacist neo-Nazis who are pro-Israel are fantastical beasties who live only in the minds of bloggers who think that if two people pose for a picture together, or appear at the same event, or are tabbed to be in the same film, or what have you, they must therefore agree on all positions down to the last detail. It's ridiculous that anyone would take such "analysis" seriously...

In any case, this little Canadian hate party has a lengthy list of links on its site-- a peculiar amalgam of mainstream and generally benign sites (CBS News, CNN, Fox News, National Review), some controversial sites, and many leftist sites, jihadist sites, neo-Nazi sites, and racist sites. ...Brussels Journal and Vlaams Blok are linked, which must mean they're neo-Nazis, right? Well, also linked is that burgeoning little hate site, Little Green Footballs.

So Spencer can appear the same events with european neo-nazis and even get his picture taken with them, but not share their ideologies. However, LGF, by virtue of being included on a link list, without Charles Johnson's knowledge or permission, is a "hate site"?

271 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:17:32am

re: #263 buzzsawmonkey

Every act that Obama does is sinister.

"Sinister" means "left"--look it up--and Obama is a hard-core leftist.

And left-handed, I think?

272 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:17:38am

re: #255 redc1c4

you're right: some of them are both.

The proctologist reassured the patient that his condition could be rectified.

273 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:01am

re: #231 Nevergiveup

So I guess I can deduce from this that the Electrical Grid uses Windows? They shoulda bought a MAC.

The systems used in the power grid are fairly special-purpose. Actually, Windows probably would be better, because there have been known vulnerabilities in those systems for years, but no one wanted to pay enough to fix them, which essentially would mean rewriting everything, and using a new, secure data communications protocol.

274 affenkopf  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:04am

I went through the party's link section and it was a mix of neo-nazi and mainstream news and opinion sites. It was pretty easy to figure out which sites the party was sympathetic to (e.g. aryan nations) and which were just posted as general information links (e.g. Jerusalem Post).

I found it interesting that both Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer immediately noticed the link to LGF but didn't mention the one to Vlaams Belang.

275 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #187 yesandno

Doesn't this suggest that the SUN is the problem?

BIG SUN IS RIPPING US OFF!

276 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #264 avanti

Let's just say that's a bit of a leap for me. Like GWB, I think they both love their country and want to reshape it to make it fit their vision better. One was more to the right, the other to the left. Not the first time that pendulum swung, nor the last, and each time, about half the country is pissed.

He plans to fundamentally change America. Obama's 'vision' will make this country unrecognizable. I don't want my country fundamentally changed. Get it?

277 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #268 freetoken

Ah, but reine, don't you realize that people like Charles and David Frum are not true conservatives?

/

yes, well . . . in some people's minds, I guess.

278 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:20am

re: #264 avanti

Let's just say that's a bit of a leap for me. Like GWB, I think they both love their country and want to reshape it to make it fit their vision better. One was more to the right, the other to the left. Not the first time that pendulum swung, nor the last, and each time, about half the country is pissed.

Ear Leader doesn't love this country: he loves the vision he has in his addlepated little brain of what he wants it to be.....

279 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:27am

re: #270 Kenneth

A telling quote from Spencer,

So Spencer can appear the same events with european neo-nazis and even get his picture taken with them, but not share their ideologies. However, LGF, by virtue of being included on a link list, without Charles Johnson's knowledge or permission, is a "hate site"?

Don't you just love it when things are that simple?
//

280 Rednek  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:28am

I just realized: Look at the front page of Drudge right now...not the various headlines...savor them....look at the fine detail. Then step back and think about what an utterley insane world we are living in now. Pirates? Manipulating the climate? Making kissy face with Castro?

Just insane.

281 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #272 Dustyvet

The proctologist reassured the patient that his condition could be rectified.

Nice anallysis.

282 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:44am

This is the article that the toxic Pamela Geller Twittered last night. She claims that Charles is a libelous yet she comes out with this slanderous announcement on Twitter and her website. What makes it more interesting is that Robert Spencer, who claims to be an academic, is aligned with this crackpot. There claim all along is that they are part of some Anti-Jihad movement for which I ask from where: Pamela's basement?

The fact that these two were present at CPAC puts the future of the GOP in serious question. Adding to this is the current alarmist and "end of times" rhetoric from the talk show host televangelist Glenn Beck and the associated crazed content from Fox News will be associated with the GOP. This is not a theory this is happening in real time which is being expressed by other political observers.

As it stands now this clown act puts the GOP in grave danger for the coming mid-term election in 2010. I only see the rhetoric becoming more alarmist as showmen like Glenn Beck turn up the volume and expand his associations with other questionable associates. This in turn will be connected with the GOP particularly if you consider that Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) has been a current figure in the current End of Times media.

283 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:48am
284 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:52am

re: #266 tradewind

Just like they always forget what the US did and DOES for them. European memory is very selective, and in self-destructive way.

285 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:53am

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

But can the software that was left be removed?
(gah. neverfuckingmind.)

286 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #270 Kenneth

Excellent job calling Spencer on his intellectual hypocrisy.

Credibility and reputation become hard to maintain when one demonstrates such blatant hypocrisy.

287 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #263 buzzsawmonkey

Every act that Obama does is sinister.

"Sinister" means "left"--look it up--and Obama is a hard-core leftist.

And rather then even-handed as he would like you to believe, he is actually left-handed!

/ok, I knew you knew that.

288 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:20:08am

re: #223 Catttt

I'm trying to avoid saying that so bluntly! Shhhhhhhhhhh! But yeah.

Aren't they both married? To other people, I mean?

289 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #278 redc1c4

Ear Leader doesn't love this country: he loves the vision he has in his addlepated little brain of what he wants it to be.....

Upding for using addlepated. And maybe for missing a consonant!

290 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:20:46am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

According to all 400 or so articles on the subject, the software that was left on the systems is still there. But that's not important, I guess, to anybody "on the story".

291 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:21:26am

re: #225 MandyManners

Consider yourself lucky!

Has anyone commented re Pamela the Loon's illustration with her right in the middle? ROTFL...a publicity whore is a publicity whore, and she is the Queen of the group. I hated to look at either site, especially because we are giving them a much higher viewership than they must get daily...I spit in their general direction!

In case I don't have a chance to post for most of today, Chag Pesach Sameach to all who celebrate Passover!

The scullery calls.....

292 PatriotLizardoid  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:21:48am

It is really unfortunate about Robert Spencer. I'm surprised because I really used to like his segments he would do for Hot Air. I can't even go to his site at work anymore because of the kinds of comments that are all over it.

293 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:21:57am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Yeah in all seriousness, I never understood the Nazis having sick hungry slave labor building high tech weapons? That never made all that much sense top me.

Because everyone else vas needed at ze Eastern Front.

More seriously, and this is from the book on Project Orion, the British military knew the V-2 was a waste of resources. Each one took the equivalent of an advanced fighter, and had much less of an effect.

294 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:22:13am

Pamella got a very busy thread for that posts, 9 comments were posted on one thread. Congratulations Pamella. Now you need to come up with another theory, maybe you can reach 15 or even 20 comments.

295 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:22:32am
296 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #251 yesandno

I actually agree with you here. Problem is that he is naive...and sometimes that is worse then making mistakes or a sinister act. Because he heads forwards with the certainty of one who actually knows everything regardless of evidence to the contrary.

And if naivety is faked, then the fact he is sinister comes into play....

I'll accept the naive. Even when I read his books, one of the first things that came into my head was "yea right" I think he actually believed he could change DC by force of personally. He thought the right would actually accept the good ideas from the left and the reverse when he should know the right is always wrong to the left, and the left to the right. The DVD and bow blunders are other examples of a rookie leaning the ropes.

297 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:23:32am

re: #249 lawhawk

The Russians attempted to sow clouds to bring rain to various areas of their country and were partially successful.

This is so far beyond what those attempts tried to accomplish, never mind the fact that the science and evidence of global warming isn't exactly understood as to the proper mechanisms involved. They're basing everything on computer models claiming to show massive temperature increases, but anyone who ever had to do statistical modeling knows that if garbage in - garbage out.

The sun is a huge factor in global weather, and yet COx is the factor when it comprises a fraction of a percent of the global atmosphere?

They willingly ignore the conflicting data while coming up with ideas that will cause more harm than good. How are they going to pay for such a monsterous project? How are they going to convince the rest of the world to go along with the plan?

298 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #216 avanti

You're right, he's not a piece of shit. He's much more than that. He's an unqualified to be even a meter maid corrupt lying sack of shit Chicago thug politician. Emphasis on the lying part.

299 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:23:59am

OT -

U.S. to Join Group Talks With Iran Over Nuclear Program

"This will make them unclench", said Obama, savoring a Kool.

300 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:24:07am

re: #296 avanti

I'll accept the naive. Even when I read his books, one of the first things that came into my head was "yea right" I think he actually believed he could change DC by force of personally. He thought the right would actually accept the good ideas from the left and the reverse when he should know the right is always wrong to the left, and the left to the right. The DVD and bow blunders are other examples of a rookie leaning the ropes.

horseshit: "I won."

301 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:24:27am

re: #259 tradewind

There's that pesky ' yet '.
It's not reassuring.

Well, we are talking about years between redesigns. Unless someone gives them better information, we might have until 0 is out of office.

302 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:24:29am

re: #233 buzzsawmonkey

I believe it's even simpler than that. BHO 's natural operating state is that of candidate.... he's practically a campaign manager's dream, (not too this, not too that, will appeal to this demo, that demo, etc, check, yada yada..) but after it's won, and he's responsible? Not so much. The car-chasing canine comes to mind... now you caught it, Fido, now what?
Ruh-Roh.
He's in for some long dark nights of the soul, IMO.

303 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:24:37am

re: #297 Idle Drifter

They willingly ignore the conflicting data while coming up with ideas that will cause more harm than good. How are they going to pay for such a monsterous project? How are they going to convince the rest of the world to go along with the plan?

Odds are they'll do it unilaterally. Very disturbing that a government that can't balance a budget wants to screw with something a wee bit more complex.

304 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #177 Land Shark

Man, this is friggin' nuts! It's disturbing to see someone I previously had a lot of respect for like Robert Spencer becoming a kook. To anyone who spends any time at LGF, linking Charles with Nazis is the height of crazy. I don't always agree with Charles, but he's been pretty consistent in staying away from Nazis and their white supremacist pals, an issue I do agree with him 100%. Even if the Left still always refer to LGF as a racist hate site.

Let's face, Charles has some stones. He gets it from the Left and the Right, it would have been easy to go with flow either way to get people to like him but he's stood by his convictions. That's not easy to do, folks.

LGF is an island of sanity. I will readily admit that in the beginnings here (some would argue I still am...heh.) I was on the 'fringe', but after educational post after post and looking into the 'details' I have definitely come away a better person.

I would argue that Charles is the pioneer of anti-racism. Without him, VB, Gates of Vienna, BNP etc. would still be pulling off shenanigans. Charles blew their cover and the wackos blew their tops and it's sad to see how many of those I thought were on 'our' side. So many are secret / open racist morons who are only into the 'fight' just to see when they can get their chance to be the 'big man on campus'...

So many agenda's ... so little time. But Charles has made the best of his time in exposing them, IMHO.

305 Rednek  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:17am

Pakistan slaps US in the face

U.S. envoys met with Pakistani leaders on Tuesday to ensure that the $7.5 billion that President Obama plans to send their way over the next five years will be used to achieve common goals in the fight against extremism.

But according to a Pakistani newspaper, regional envoy Richard Holbrooke and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen came up empty-handed and received a "rude shock" when a proposal for joint operations against al Qaeda and Taliban forces in the volatile tribal regions was rejected.

Dawn newspaper reported that Pakistan also asked the U.S. to turn over the unmanned drone missions over the territory to them, saying that the drone strikes were fueling extremism.

And The Independent published an interview with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on Wednesday in which he said Pakistan would go after high-value targets on their own if the U.S. would hand over its drone technology and intelligence.

306 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:25am
307 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #302 tradewind

I believe it's even simpler than that. BHO 's natural operating state is that of candidate.... he's practically a campaign manager's dream, (not too this, not too that, will appeal to this demo, that demo, etc, check, yada yada..) but after it's won, and he's responsible? Not so much. The car-chasing canine comes to mind... now you caught it, Fido, now what?
Ruh-Roh.
He's in for some long dark nights of the soul, IMO.

and unfortunately, we're all along for the ride.

308 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:42am

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Geller needs to play to her strengths, buy a webcam and a trampoline and take her top off. She's obviously only interested in attention, and she'd get a lot more of it if she spent a couple hours a day flopping her boobs around for all the world to see.

Bloggers like this are desperate to generate traffic; their reasons for that desperation isn't all that interesting. I'd recommend studiously staying away from their sites, since they live and breath page hits.

309 J.D.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:25:49am

CBC members praise Castro

...“It was almost like listening to an old friend,” said Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Il.), adding that he found Castro’s home to be modest and Castro’s wife to be particularly hospitable.

“In my household I told Castro he is known as the ultimate survivor,” Rush said. ...

310 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:26:38am

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

That anyone would consciously, intentionally vote for someone for the office of President that they knew in advance was "a rookie" is utterly damning, as far as that person laying claim to anything approaching intelligent judgment.

he was hoping for a different outcome...... %-)

311 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:26:50am

re: #262 Abu Lahab

What is the next conspiracy theory? LGF is run by CAIR and Charles has a long beard and four wives?
Sorry for the sarc, but I'm really speechless at the absurdity of these laughable accusations.

If Pamella or Spencer forgot what "Nazi" means exactly, they can ask their European friends for a reminder. It was not long ago when their "allies" decided to hide their swastikas and become "anti-jihad movements", well at least for now!

Although not related to LGF, I have figured out the next conspiracy theory:

The reason the government passed the expensive stimulus bill, the other handouts, and are creating a large deficit with a extreme budget is to call for amnesty. After the country is bankrupt, they'll need extra monies coming in, so they'll fast-track citizenship and make other schemes to get it.

312 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #284 Abu Lahab

Yeah, that's another reason why they resent us. Kind of like borrowing money from a not-so-close relative.... no one is comfortable after that...

313 charles_martel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:26:56am

Before I rad this post, I bookmarked her site, not I have to delete the bookmark. Everything she said is 100% completely wrong. As we all know, Charles is anti-nazi, anti-jihad, basically, anti-loon. Rational arguments make it here, stupidity and hate get buried or deleted. That's as it should be. Pamela is simply insane. Don't listen to her, Charles, she has laid down with dogs, and has gotten up with fleas.

314 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:26:59am

re: #299 Ward Cleaver

OT -

U.S. to Join Group Talks With Iran Over Nuclear Program

"This will make them unclench", said Obama, savoring a Kool.

I wonder if that includes role play?


/S

315 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #264 avanti

Let's just say that's a bit of a leap for me. Like GWB, I think they both love their country and want to reshape it to make it fit their vision better. One was more to the right, the other to the left. Not the first time that pendulum swung, nor the last, and each time, about half the country is pissed.

I don't think 0 loves the country as it is; he wants to remake it in the mold of Europe at best.
And the pendulum has swung further to the left than it was during FDR, even; and FDR was willing to defend the US, not apologize to its enemies.

FDR never tried to suck up to Japan or Germany the way 0 is to Iran.

316 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:07am

re: #299 Ward Cleaver

OT -

U.S. to Join Group Talks With Iran Over Nuclear Program

"This will make them unclench", said Obama, savoring a Kool.

Our "Allies" told Obama to fuck off about sending any troops ( who might actually fight ) to Afganastan, but I am sure Iran will just go along with anything Obama wants? We are in such deep shit!

317 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:11am

My brother in law just sent me this link (which goes to Glenn, Beck, beware!)

I saw that on Beck's show yesterday, and SEALs still rule.

318 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:30am

re: #308 SixDegrees

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Geller needs to play to her strengths, buy a webcam and a trampoline and take her top off. She's obviously only interested in attention, and she'd get a lot more of it if she spent a couple hours a day flopping her boobs around for all the world to see.

Bloggers like this are desperate to generate traffic; their reasons for that desperation isn't all that interesting. I'd recommend studiously staying away from their sites, since they live and breath page hits.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or be horrified at that visual. Either way, I haven't been to her site in years and have no plans to return.

319 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:36am

Btw, I went to the neo-nazi Canadian hate site and checked out their links...their links include the CBC, the BBC, Angus Reid Polling, etc., etc. Obviously by including these links (along with other purely racist links), they are attempting to establish some form of "legitimacy." (iirc, there was something in the news here in Canada about hate sites on the Internet and that a hate-website could be "in trouble" if it provided links solely to other hate-websites (that's one of the ways in which a neo-nazi hate site is identified) -- hence, this hate website's decision to include other websites in its links which are clearly not "hate sites." Again, I suspect, it's their strategy to avoid the "HRC's" wrath, etc.)

320 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:39am

re: #308 SixDegrees

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Geller needs to play to her strengths, buy a webcam and a trampoline and take her top off. She's obviously only interested in attention, and she'd get a lot more of it if she spent a couple hours a day flopping her boobs around for all the world to see.

.

you must spend a lot of time at AoS...... %-)

321 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:27:54am

re: #305 Rednek

Kinda see a pattern here. Everyone is telling us to fuck off. Obama is sure making the world lover us ha?

322 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:28:04am

re: #309 J.D.

CBC members praise Castro

"And the lampshades made out of bourgeoisie capitalist skin were quite attractive."

323 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #296 avanti

I'll accept the naive. Even when I read his books, one of the first things that came into my head was "yea right" I think he actually believed he could change DC by force of personally. He thought the right would actually accept the good ideas from the left and the reverse when he should know the right is always wrong to the left, and the left to the right. The DVD and bow blunders are other examples of a rookie leaning the ropes.

The DVD illustrates to me the dismissive arrogance of a man that is so full of himself that he's felt compelled to write not one but two books about himself. Self centered narcissism doesn't even begin to explain it. The bow represents a subservience because he beleives America to be unworthy of it's rightful role as a leading power in the world.

324 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:28:29am

re: #267 Nevergiveup

I have always thought that greatest threat to America was some terrorists sneaking a nuclear weapon into America and not Missile technology just yet anyway.

Yes. And I think if Iran had an ICBM with nuclear warheads, they'd still use terrorists, so they could have "plausible deniability".

325 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #299 Ward Cleaver

Menwhile, Iranians are swarming all over the Norks' missile site like worker drones, helpful as they can be.

326 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:29:47am
327 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:30:08am

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey

That I do not fault him on; all the men in my family are left-handed.

Strange. Same in mine. Yes, I am sinister.

328 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

Why would they bother with missiles, which are expensive and tricky, when there is so much uninspected containerized freight?

Compensating for something they don't have.

329 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:30:24am

re: #324 Kosh's Shadow

Yes. And I think if Iran had an ICBM with nuclear warheads, they'd still use terrorists, so they could have "plausible deniability".

Against us maybe but not Israel.

330 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #276 LGoPs

He plans to fundamentally change America. Obama's 'vision' will make this country unrecognizable. I don't want my country fundamentally changed. Get it?

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

331 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #285 Taqiyyotomist

But can the software that was left be removed?
(gah. neverfuckingmind.)

I don't know, because I'm not familiar with those systems. Few people are. That's probably why you aren't getting any answers.

332 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:31:03am

So let me get this straight... they scoured teh intarwebz to find some nazi kook who has a link from their site to LGF, not the other way around and this makes Charles an secret nazi actually born in Austria with a fake nirth certifikit and the lovechild of the JBS founder or something?

They do know anyone can link to anyone right? There's nothing you can do about it except for blocking referrers after the fact. She's not that much of an idiot so this has to be just another explosion of intellectual dishonesty. A "gotcha" moment where she hopes that "teh intarwebly"-challenged reader doesn't know she's putting 2 and 2 together to get 22 instead of 4.

This is almost as bad as time that the KOS kooks claimed that one of their precious lib echo-chamber sites was being blocked by the DoD because they didn't know (or were lying about not knowing) that reverse IP DNS records are numerically backwards and the "block" was really an AT&T router somewhere.

333 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #323 LGoPs

The DVD illustrates to me the dismissive arrogance of a man that is so full of himself that he's felt compelled to write not one but two books about himself. Self centered narcissism doesn't even begin to explain it. The bow represents a subservience because he beleives America to be unworthy of it's rightful role as a leading power in the world.

Well said. And of course, to make America "worthy" in his view is to remake it in his image. I loathe the mere sight of him.

334 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:31:20am

re: #320 redc1c4

you must spend a lot of time at AoS...... %-)

He's got a point.

335 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:31:47am

re: #265 lawhawk

Don't you know? It was part of the Alan Parsons Project. /


Youtube Video
336 calvin coolidge  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:32:01am

Neo-Nazi? NO, but I do admit to liking Sgt. Schultz and Colonel Klink. Those guys make me laugh.

337 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:32:09am

re: #205 Idle Drifter

I wouldn't have blamed Buckley for punching out Vidal, being told to shut up and your a Nazi within a span of a minute is outrageous.

My words just in case of any misunderstanding. PIMF

About Vidal from wiki "Gore Vidal is a fifth cousin of Jimmy Carter, and a distant cousin of Al Gore." turn didn't know he was a switch hitter either.

338 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:32:11am

As this year unfolds, I think I'm going to enjoy avanti's bigger and wilder contortions as he tries to explain away the fact that the president is a f*ckin' poseur.

339 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:33:24am

re: #303 Mithrax

Don't they know that pretty flowers need the sun, this applies to everyone.
Let's go sunning.

340 Caton  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:33:40am

That is getting to be a common islamoleftist strategy.

There's a buzz in France right now about a surveillance video filmed in a bus -- a group of Yutes beating a white guy to a pulp, complete with racist insults and the bus driver, an Arab, stopping the beating after a while by telling the Yutes whitey's "got enough".

Lots of people are really indignant about that. They want that video suppressed because it's been posted here. And it's a far-right website.

The transportation company has sued the cop who leaked the video. He's in jail right now.

The Yutes? Why, they're free. What did you expect?

341 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:33:46am

re: #321 Nevergiveup

Pakistan basically told the US to pound sand today, and leave the UAVs too. The world's really showing its love of Obama and the new American foreign policy. Gee, you can't blame this on Bush (though the Obamatons will surely try).

342 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

Yes, let's move forward with surrendering to anybody who will listen.

343 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:34:03am

re: #337 turn

One of the few Gore Vidal books I've ever read began, "I was in bed with my catamite".

This means nothing. I just thought it was funny.

344 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #305 Rednek

Pakistan slaps US in the face

And The Independent published an interview with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on Wednesday in which he said Pakistan would go after high-value targets on their own if the U.S. would hand over its drone technology and intelligence.



They want to give the drone technology to the Taliban.

345 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:34:31am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

What has affected that balance dramatically and dangerously is the MFM's openly and blatantly taking sides in the issue. And the reason it's dangerous is because they are tasked with providing the information that a free people needs to base intelligent decisions on. When they manipulate and skew that information they are tampering with the very fundamentals of this Republic.
They are a motherfucking Propoganda Ministry for the Democratic Party.

346 jhrhv  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:34:56am

I feel so betrayed by LGF & Charles

/Not :)

Conservative heads exploding all over the place these days. With people like Spencer and Geller out there cons are going to be labeled the new moonbats. They aren't going to make winning elections any easier in the future with this stupid nonsense like nirth certificates and calling good people like Charles a Nazi.

347 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:35:04am

The US crew of a ship hijacked by pirates off the coast of Somalia has retaken control of the vessel, according to Pentagon sources.

Unnamed US defence officials said one pirate had been captured by the crew of the Danish-owned Maersk Alabama, which was seized earlier in the Indian Ocean.

The status of the other pirates was unknown, but officials said they were "in the water".


Keel Hauling?....:)


/S

348 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:35:23am

Military Used Pigs In Blasts To Test Armor
Should The Military Be Using Live Pigs To Test Body Armor? To Give Us Your Cents, CLICK HERE

[Link: www.wtkr.com...]

The usual crowd is pissed we are using pigs to help prevent serious injury to our Military personnel. Come on folks. They are animal and we are Humans ( well most of us) and anyway, after, think of the breakfast you can have?

349 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:35:34am

Since TV ratings is the current buzz from the defense I thought I would do some simple math on Beck's time slot compared with the other new cable TV news outlets.

The Scoreboard: Monday, April 6

Glenn Beck (Fox News): 521

Wolf Blitzer (CNN): 339
Chriss Mathews (MSNBC): 161
Head Line News (CNN): 94

Total for the so called right wing Fox News: 521
Total for the so called left wing news: 594

While FNC beats the others in that particular time slot they are still losing on what I would call the ideological ratings.

And these are minority numbers. On Sunday everyone else who was watching TV was watching 60 Minutes, Cold Case, The Amazing Race, and Extreme Makeover. I think that says a lot.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #270 Kenneth

A telling quote from Spencer,


So Spencer can appear the same events with european neo-nazis and even get his picture taken with them, but not share their ideologies. However, LGF, by virtue of being included on a link list, without Charles Johnson's knowledge or permission, is a "hate site"?

The intellectual dishonesty strains credulity.

351 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:36:19am

re: #333 doppelganglander

Well said. And of course, to make America "worthy" in his view is to remake it in his image. I loathe the mere sight of him.

"I'll take "batshit crazy" for 1000 Alex..."

"That's our DAILY DOUBLE!"

"These two are now mounting a lunacy offensive against sanity..."

/

352 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:36:23am

re: #296 avanti

I'll accept the naive. Even when I read his books, one of the first things that came into my head was "yea right" I think he actually believed he could change DC by force of personally. He thought the right would actually accept the good ideas from the left and the reverse when he should know the right is always wrong to the left, and the left to the right. The DVD and bow blunders are other examples of a rookie leaning the ropes.

What you overlook is the fact that he has an ideology that creates naivety because HE cannot look at both sides of the issue...he is pushing one side and not even looking at the other. He really didn't care whether or not the RIGHT accepted anything. HE WON. The fact that he brought that up as a reason for doing what he is doing seems less like a rookie and more like a pro.

Where he is naive is that he thinks we don't know this, and that the world loves him.
He is naive in the sense of J Carter....and you know how that turns out.

353 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:36:25am

re: #338 Noam Sayin'

As this year unfolds, I think I'm going to enjoy avanti's bigger and wilder contortions as he tries to explain away the fact that the president is a f*ckin' poseur.

I will only if marijuana is legalized.

354 Rednek  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

This is a false statement. When new government programs are enacted they don't die. They entrench, survive, and grow. There is no back and forth. Remember this if you have to wait 6 months for an MRI in through the government's universal health plan.

355 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:37:22am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

WRONG!

Liberals are for more State Control over the individual.
Conservatives are for less State Control over the individual.

If you think taking liberties and replacing with state control is "moving forward" you know nothing of this country, it's founding or it's ideals.

LIFE!
LIBERTY!
PROPERTY!

356 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #302 tradewind

I believe it's even simpler than that. BHO 's natural operating state is that of candidate.... he's practically a campaign manager's dream, (

Assume for a moment that I accept that and he maintains his high popularity by the constant campaigning, would you give me that a popular leader can get more done then a unpopular one ?
Then the only debate will be if he and his advisers chose the right things to get done. The one thing we can be sure of, is that the liberal agenda will be just as unpopular with the right as GW's was to the left.

357 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #240 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe some of the workers were so hungry they ate the fuel.
/

Actually, most V-2's also failed; they were built by starving slave labor.

Brave people, who used every chance they could to sabotage the rocket construction.

358 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:15am
...her alleged mind...

tee-hee

359 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:21am

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

Why would they bother with missiles, which are expensive and tricky, when there is so much uninspected containerized freight?

And the freight can be easily sent to major targets like NY, LA, or, via railroad, Chicago, and other transportation hubs.

360 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:27am

SHANGHAI (AP) - Preliminary figures show auto sales in China reached about 1.03 million in March, exceeding U.S. sales for the third month in a row, state media reports said Wednesday.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

I wonder how their emission standards are?

361 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:33am

Wow, as of a minute ago a total of five people had commented at Pam's article ... shows you how non-mainstream the site is.

362 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:38:41am

re: #245 albusteve

I suspect a fair amount of envy behind these attacks...good point

I'm envious too, but I won't even pimp Cold Raptor here, let alone attack Charles and LGF in order to drive more traffic to Cold Raptor. That would be throwing away something that I really enjoy, just to drive up numbers on Cold Raptor, and maybe get some coin from AdSense, which, by the way, I recently added to my blog, Cold Raptor.

/This is in no way an endorsement of my blog, Cold Raptor, by Charles or anyone else.

363 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:39:18am

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

That anyone would consciously, intentionally vote for someone for the office of President that they knew in advance was "a rookie" is utterly damning, as far as that person laying claim to anything approaching intelligent judgment.

That's much nicer than my telling him that he's a stupid fucking idiot.

364 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:39:56am

re: #216 avanti

Are you really that naive? Most of us are on tenterhooks due to the fact that this man 1) never has an original thought 2) backtracks on EVERYTHING he says, in one way or another 3) cuddles up to those who wish to destroy us 4) alienated those who wish to ally with us. HE. CANNOT. BE TRUSTED. He fills his administration with tax cheats and used up Clinton remnants. WE have learned from history and WE are not willing to repeat it.

365 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:40:12am

re: #343 Dianna

One of the few Gore Vidal books I've ever read began, "I was in bed with my catamite".

This means nothing. I just thought it was funny.

I knew absolutely nothing about the guy until that Buckley video peaked my curiosity. He was the chairman of the People's Party. "The group ran Benjamin Spock in the U.S. presidential election, 1972 on a platform that included calls to pull out of Vietnam, legalise marijuana and impose both minimum and maximum wages. Sounds like O. Hey I need to get back to you book at lunch, made it through about a chapter and a half before I left yesterday. That first chapter was pretty racy Dianna!

366 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:40:23am

re: #329 Nevergiveup

Against us maybe but not Israel.

I agree here as well. Iran wants to become a leader in the Muslim world; attacking Israel would help. Of course, they might not survive long enough to be more than glorious martyrs, but they'd still get their virgins and have the mahdi come out of his well.

367 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #364 UberInfidel67

Are you really that naive? Most of us are on tenterhooks due to the fact that this man 1) never has an original thought 2) backtracks on EVERYTHING he says, in one way or another 3) cuddles up to those who wish to destroy us 4) alienated those who wish to ally with us. HE. CANNOT. BE TRUSTED. He fills his administration with tax cheats and used up Clinton remnants. WE have learned from history and WE are not willing to repeat it.

100 updings if I could.

368 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #351 Oh no...Sand People!

"I'll take "batshit crazy" for 1000 Alex..."

"That's our DAILY DOUBLE!"

"These two are now mounting a lunacy offensive against sanity..."

/

:)

369 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

Forward into the past (of failed socialist and communist states)

370 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:41:43am

re: #343 Dianna

One of the few Gore Vidal books I've ever read began, "I was in bed with my catamite".

This means nothing. I just thought it was funny.

It's kind of gross, but I must admire his vocabulary.

371 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:41:44am

re: #366 Kosh's Shadow
Well... this should make us all feel better.
/sarc/
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

372 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:42:28am
373 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #361 Thanos

Wow, as of a minute ago a total of five people had commented at Pam's article ... shows you how non-mainstream the site is.

I wonder what the combined IQ of that would equal. I'm thinking somewhere around 450.

///

374 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:43:25am

Reine: Received two copys of the cookbook.

Well done!

375 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:43:47am

Charles, you might as well link the AKC articles from Kedja on Spencer as well for those who aren't hip to his connections to the Melkite/Serbian/Rockford institute axis. Axis is an intentional pun...

376 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #370 doppelganglander

It's kind of gross, but I must admire his vocabulary.

I've never been interested in his books, really, but his writing is brilliant.

377 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:44:18am

HANOI, Vietnam — Sen. John McCain paid a quiet visit Wednesday to the “Hanoi Hilton” prison where he was held for more than five years during the Vietnam War, making a few deadpan remarks as he made his way through dark corridors and past musty cells.

McCain allowed reporters to follow him while he escorted Sens. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., through the prison.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

378 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #351 Oh no...Sand People!

"I'll take "batshit crazy" for 1000 Alex..."

"That's our DAILY DOUBLE!"

"These two are now mounting a lunacy offensive against sanity..."

/

Sounds like a cute pet name for Pamela.

379 cosmicview  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:44:48am

Can we stop this, our side can have different opinions and still work together.
End of story.

380 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:45:12am
381 researchok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:45:19am

The proof is always in the pudding.

The attacks on Charles are dubious at best and when all is said and done, his arguments are cogent and consistent.

Clearly, that irritates a whole lot of people- many of whom need the chicken little, sky is falling kind of noise just to be heard.

382 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:45:23am

re: #356 avanti

Assume for a moment that I accept that and he maintains his high popularity by the constant campaigning, would you give me that a popular leader can get more done then a unpopular one ?
Then the only debate will be if he and his advisers chose the right things to get done. The one thing we can be sure of, is that the liberal agenda will be just as unpopular with the right as GW's was to the left.

Wow, that is almost in the Obama level of being naive.

Popularity is fundamentally immaterial when it comes to defining and enacting policy. The left was incredibly popular in 2007 and in control of Congress, yet despite 41 efforts, could not either halt the surge or end the war in Iraq. Now a naive and populist President, with strong support from Congress, has significant challenges pushing his monetary agenda through Congress and is seeing declining popularity with his efforts at increasing statism.

So, rather than amend his approach, he goes to the campaign trail not only in this country but overseas - seeking popularity in exchange for giving up on what is best for the country or taking a true leadership position.

The definition of leadership is not to be the most popular, indeed, the true example of leadership is to succeed and promote one's agenda making the difficult and unpopular decisions that are ultimately best for the country - not a select and limited few.

383 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:45:52am

re: #378 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sounds like a cute pet name for Pamela.

"That's our DAILY DOUBLE!"

DD? They are nice, but that nice?

384 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:45:57am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

10,001.........thanks to me.
:)

385 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:46:04am

re: #330 avanti

You nailed it. Conservatives are pretty much status quo, if it's not broke don't fix it guys. Liberals are let's move forward types. We need conservatives to keep us away from a "fundamental change", and liberals for some needed change. It's a check and balance that's working just fine. The country tries each side and they switch back to maintain the balance now and then.

Well, you are correct in that there are pendulum swings - however, it seems to me that at the end of every "cycle", we end up a little more to the left than we were before - more government "programs", sucking in more people who then get accustomed to the safety net and begin to see it as a way-of-life entitlement.

Check this out - does it make any sense at all to anybody? This was a GWB boondoggle:

Your Government At Work: US Paying $8 Billion Per Year to Paper Manufacturers to Use Petroleum They Don't Use and Wouldn't Use at All if Not for the Huge Tax Credit

386 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #374 tommygum

Reine: Received two copys of the cookbook.

Well done!

Kudos to the entire team and all who contributed!

387 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:46:47am

re: #366 Kosh's Shadow

I agree here as well. Iran wants to become a leader in the Muslim world; attacking Israel would help. Of course, they might not survive long enough to be more than glorious martyrs, but they'd still get their virgins and have the mahdi come out of his well.

Yes. But I only care what would happen to Israel. Sure Israel would retaliate and wipe Iran of the map, but just one lucky shot from Iran with a nuclear weapon could/would mortally wound Israel. That is and has always been the dilemma Israel faces and why taking "chances" for peace is so tricky.

388 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

Must be your poetry......

389 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:47:21am

re: #379 cosmicview

Can we stop this, our side can have different opinions and still work together.
End of story.

not when those opinions are neo-nazi extremist opinions.

390 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:47:31am
391 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:47:44am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

You have more karma than posts. Cool.

392 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:47:50am

re: #338 Noam Sayin'

As this year unfolds, I think I'm going to enjoy avanti's bigger and wilder contortions as he tries to explain away the fact that the president is a f*ckin' poseur.

Like I've said that's some of the rights entire dream. They want to be the party of no, and looking forward to the day Obama screws up royally to score political points.
That's a lot of eggs in the POTUS screws up the country basket. I hope the enjoyment of seeing me potentially disappointed will out weigh the damage done to my country if you are correct.

393 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:48:03am

re: #379 cosmicview

Oh, honestly.

It's possible to stretch perspective so far it doesn't apply to the human condition any more. I think you've achieved that.

394 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:48:33am

re: #379 cosmicview

They aren't my side and never will be, you probably won't be either.

395 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #381 researchok

You became antecedently challenged, there.

396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:00am

Gotta take a break from the sanes vs. the crazies & get back to work.

397 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:02am

re: #379 cosmicview

Can we stop this, our side can have different opinions and still work together.
End of story.

Actually, no we can't. The GOP is well nigh rudderless right now. It is searching for its ideological core--its identity--and this is the fight that is being waged.

There are as many far-right loons and causes as there are on the left. We need to keep them from taking hold of the party and driving it further into the wilderness. And, the more they try to assert themselves, the more acutely they are used by the opposition to define all of us. That is why we have to keep this up.

398 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:06am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

Avanti is giving you a run for your money. Going in the opposite direction........
HaHaHaHa......

399 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:20am

re: #384 LGoPs

......and me......

400 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:27am

re: #392 avanti

I hope the enjoyment of seeing me potentially disappointed will out weigh the damage done to my country if you are correct.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU. You arrogant POS.

401 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:40am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

Right on buzz! I know in reality it would be much higher, you spoil us so much we tend to forget to ding ya. We sort of take your brilliance for granted.

402 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:48am

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

It could be verse.

Do you have your poetic license and proof of insurance?


/S

403 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:49:48am

re: #332 ArchangelMichael

So let me get this straight... they scoured teh intarwebz to find some nazi kook who has a link from their site to LGF, not the other way around and this makes Charles an secret nazi actually born in Austria with a fake nirth certifikit and the lovechild of the JBS founder or something?

They do know anyone can link to anyone right? There's nothing you can do about it except for blocking referrers after the fact. She's not that much of an idiot so this has to be just another explosion of intellectual dishonesty. A "gotcha" moment where she hopes that "teh intarwebly"-challenged reader doesn't know she's putting 2 and 2 together to get 22 instead of 4.

I've been meaning to get this off my chest: one of the stalker sites found where I criticised Charles to linking to Roger Ebert. I'm a rare free thinker in this echo chamber! Gee, thanks, stalkers. (Can't they do something more productive, like sending flowers to Alanis Morrissette? Not dead ones, please.)

I expect that since I've thrown their Lounge Lizard moles under the bus, I won't be getting more such praise, which is fine by me.

404 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:50:05am

re: #363 MandyManners

That's much nicer than my telling him that he's a stupid fucking idiot.

Every President is a rookie unless he's on his second term.

405 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #360 Nevergiveup


I wonder how their emission standards are?

Poor, and they are paying for it.

406 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:50:36am

re: #379 cosmicview

Can we stop this, our side can have different opinions and still work together.
End of story.

Nice of Rodney King to check in on the issue.

Feel free to check the million or so words that have been posted on the subject and get back to us with your analysis.

407 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:09am
408 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #388 tommygum

Must be your poetry......

We agreed to ding him up prodigiously if he would just stop.

409 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

It could be verse.

I won't stanza for this doggerel.

410 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:28am

re: #367 Erik The Red

I try to be nice to Avanti, I see no need to tell hiim to fuck off and such. But really, this man and his blatant hate for America? You'd have to be blind not to see it.

411 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:34am

re: #382 Athos

The definition of leadership is not to be the most popular, indeed, the true example of leadership is to succeed and promote one's agenda making the difficult and unpopular decisions that are ultimately best for the country.

Remind you of our last president Athos?

412 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:49am

re: #402 Dustyvet

Do you have your poetic license and proof of insurance?

/S

That was really good!

413 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:53am

re: #404 avanti

Every President is a rookie unless he's on his second term.

Most of the others had much more experience that a fucking community organiser with 6 months in elected office.

414 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #392 avanti

Like I've said that's some of the rights entire dream. They want to be the party of no, and looking forward to the day Obama screws up royally to score political points.
That's a lot of eggs in the POTUS screws up the country basket. I hope the enjoyment of seeing me potentially disappointed will out weigh the damage done to my country if you are correct.

I hope you're wrong and suspect you're right.

415 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:52:23am

re: #412 Dianna

That was really good!

Aww shucks...thanks...:)

416 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:52:33am

This might be of interest.

Atlasshrugs2000 and Stormfront Google Search

298 results and they're all seeing her as a protagonist and a resource. A lot of Nirther comments.

417 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:52:55am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

Congrats! It's the quality of your posts and your character shining through.

418 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:02am

re: #392 avanti

Like I've said that's some of the rights entire dream. They want to be the party of no, and looking forward to the day Obama screws up royally to score political points.
That's a lot of eggs in the POTUS screws up the country basket. I hope the enjoyment of seeing me potentially disappointed will out weigh the damage done to my country if you are correct.

Damage done to the country?

Where has an increase in Statism, State Control, protected individual liberty, grown the economy, increase the quality of life in all sectors, ensured the domestic tranquility and extended those benefits to others?

Where in history has that happened?

419 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:29am

are cosmicview and spacejesus related?

420 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #375 Thanos

Charles, you might as well link the AKC articles from Kedja on Spencer as well for those who aren't hip to his connections to the Melkite/Serbian/Rockford institute axis. Axis is an intentional pun...

It's Kejda; the j before the d.

/messed this up too

421 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:39am

re: #410 UberInfidel67

I try to be nice to Avanti, I see no need to tell hiim to fuck off and such. But really, this man and his blatant hate for America? You'd have to be blind not to see it.

Hate for America is the New Patriotism!

////////////////

422 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:48am

Avanti: Thank you for changing your avatar.

Seeing that anchor next to your posting(?) made the one on my bicep fade even faster.

423 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #410 UberInfidel67

I try to be nice to Avanti, I see no need to tell hiim to fuck off and such. But really, this man and his blatant hate for America? You'd have to be blind not to see it.

I have put him on my permanent GAZE. The fucker always brings me out with his asshat comments. :( I need to work on my self control.

424 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:54:03am

re: #420 Zimriel

It's Kejda; the j before the d.

/messed this up too

argg. I always get that wrong.

425 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #413 Erik The Red

Most of the others had much more experience that a fucking community organiser with 6 months in elected office.

But he sat in Rev Wrights church for 20 years listening to his political musings...oh yeah, sorry...Obama never heard anything. Never mind.

426 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:54:46am

re: #402 Dustyvet

Do you have your poetic license and proof of insurance?

/S

No, but I have a doggerel license.

427 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:02am

re: #404 avanti

Every President is a rookie unless he's on his second term.

GWB, governor.
Clinton, governor.
GHWB, VP, Director CIA, Ambassador.
Reagan, governor.
Bait, governor (major fail)


Obama, not a full term Senator, State legislator, community organizer.

There is rookie, they there is out of their league.

428 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:06am

re: #426 calcajun

No, but I have a doggerel license.

Cools, I need to go walk my Dogma...:)

429 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:32am

re: #425 Nevergiveup

But he sat in Rev Wrights church for 20 years listening to his political musings...oh yeah, sorry...Obama never heard anything. Never mind.

Listening to his I-pod, I suppose....

430 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:32am

re: #404 avanti

Every President is a rookie unless he's on his second term.

Only some Presidents had a career full of accomplishments before they became President. Obama doesn't even have that.

431 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:42am

Have to get back to work, but I'll leave you with a funny cartoon

432 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:45am

re: #405 freetoken

Poor, and they are paying for it.

A lot of Bejing's air pollution problems come from the dust from the areas west of Bejing. Cars have very little to do with the dust which is one of the primary pollution problems there. That's related more to farming techniques.

433 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #418 jcm

Sounds like you read Liberty and Tyranny, jcm.

434 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:57:12am

re: #421 yesandno
Then consider me unPatriotic.

435 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #410 UberInfidel67

I try to be nice to Avanti, I see no need to tell hiim to fuck off and such. But really, this man and his blatant hate for America? You'd have to be blind not to see it.

Thanks for staying civil, but very few in the country think the POTUS hates his country. While the majority may well be wrong, consider the possibly that you might just not like his politics and that colors your perception of the man. I disagreed with much of GW's agenda, but the man loves his country.

436 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #404 avanti

Every President is a rookie unless he's on his second term.

Let's compare:
- Rookie Reagan did a pretty good job handling the Soviets. Brought them to their knees as I recall.
- Rookie Bush I kicked Sadaam's ass pretty competently as I recall.
- Rookie Bush II kicked some Afghan and Iraqi ass pretty effectively as I recall.

- Rookie Carter gave us.......hmmmmm, I'm trying to remember.....oh yes....the Ayatyollah Fucking Khomeini and Iranian Revolution.
- Rookie Clinton. Fucked up Somalia; fucked up the responses to First World Trade Center, Khobar Towers, 2 American embassies and the Cole bombing. Invited 9-11 through limp dicked responses.

Yeah, I see your point.
/

437 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:58:10am

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Woo-hoo! Karma just topped 10,000 over number of posts!

Frightening. Compliment Glenn Beck or say something about Creationism being scientifically valid. That should fix things.

438 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:58:15am

re: #435 avanti

Thanks for staying civil, but very few in the country think the POTUS hates his country. While the majority may well be wrong, consider the possibly that you might just not like his politics and that colors your perception of the man. I disagreed with much of GW's agenda, but the man loves his country.

About 47% probably do.

439 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #423 Erik The Red
I like to try and be fair. I prefer to see both sides of a discussion. But really, there is nothing Avanti has said that has made me feel more comfortable with Obi at the helm. Not a damn thing.

440 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:59:13am

re: #435 avanti

Thanks for staying civil, but very few in the country think the POTUS hates his country. While the majority may well be wrong, consider the possibly that you might just not like his politics and that colors your perception of the man. I disagreed with much of GW's agenda, but the man loves his country.

If a man loves his wife, does he go around apologizing for her?

441 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #421 yesandno

Hate for America is the New Patriotism!

////////////////

Perfidism is a new virtue?

442 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #439 UberInfidel67

I like to try and be fair. I prefer to see both sides of a discussion. But really, there is nothing Avanti has said that has made me feel more comfortable with Obi at the helm. Not a damn thing.

And there won't be. Because there is none.

443 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #440 capitalist piglet

If a man loves his wife, does he go around apologizing for her?

Boom !

444 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #318 doppelganglander

I'm not sure whether to laugh or be horrified at that visual. Either way, I haven't been to her site in years and have no plans to return.

Well, you know the old saying: "If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all."

Geller sports a decent rack. That's all I can say.

And she was one of the first to boob-blog, featuring video of herself narrating her blog while bikini-clad from a swimming pool. It was worth watching, as long as you turned the sound off.

445 joncelli  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #243 Taqiyyotomist

Because a certain fraction of those who could point this out don't go to sites where they wouldn't know this, and the rest are busy removing the offending software.

/At least I hope so.

446 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:00:53am

You know, for all the folks who just "want to get along" with some of the more radical parts of the Conservative movement, let me just say that Stalin thought it was pretty neat that he got along with Hitler for awhile, too. Of course, we (who read AND understand history) know how that ended.

You do not make racists, fascists and their ilk your political bedfellow-you won't get that stink off of you. George Wallace was an FDR Democrat, but her could not get elected without the Klan--so he courted the racists and won--much to his shame. It took him nearly 30 years to erase that stain. Anyone who says we should crawl into bed with the nutters on the right simply for political expediency is a fool.

447 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #432 Honorary Yooper

A lot of Bejing's air pollution problems come from the dust from the areas west of Bejing. Cars have very little to do with the dust which is one of the primary pollution problems there. That's related more to farming techniques.

The air in Beijing is so thick with polution and dust that you can barely hear a low-flying jet. That was a strange feeling ...

448 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #440 capitalist piglet

If a man loves his wife, does he go around apologizing for her?

I'm going to steal that, and use it in the presence of my wife as necessary.
(updinged, but 3 people beat me to it ...)

449 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:01:51am

re: #422 tommygum

Avanti: Thank you for changing your avatar.

Seeing that anchor next to your posting(?) made the one on my bicep fade even faster.

That's why I deleted it. Seeing the Navy dragged into the politics was painful for me, the Studebaker I can deal with.

450 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:01:56am

re: #444 SixDegrees

Well, you know the old saying: "If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all."

Geller sports a decent rack. That's all I can say.

And she was one of the first to boob-blog, featuring video of herself narrating her blog while bikini-clad from a swimming pool. It was worth watching, as long as you turned the sound off.

Well, I guess I'm not too interested in her rack, since I have one of my own.

451 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:02:16am

re: #444 SixDegrees

Well, you know the old saying: "If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all."

Geller sports a decent rack. That's all I can say.

And she was one of the first to boob-blog, featuring video of herself narrating her blog while bikini-clad from a swimming pool. It was worth watching, as long as you turned the sound off.

The way her and RS have become "cosy" over the last year or so makes me wonder who paid for her "assets".

452 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:02:29am

re: #435 avanti

Thanks for staying civil, but very few in the country think the POTUS hates his country. While the majority may well be wrong, consider the possibly that you might just not like his politics and that colors your perception of the man. I disagreed with much of GW's agenda, but the man loves his country.

Well, if 0 loves his country, then we are back to the old saying, "You only hurt the one you love"

453 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:02:31am

re: #444 SixDegrees

Particularly when she became emotional?

/heaving bosom.

454 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:02:55am

re: #433 Idle Drifter

Sounds like you read Liberty and Tyranny, jcm.

Not yet, haven't found a copy.

Amazon was out when I checked and haven't had a chance to go to a big bookstore.

455 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:03:02am

re: #435 avanti
Obi does not love "his" country. If he did, he wouldn't be spouting off about the "fundamental changes" we need. Fundamental = basic. The way we run this country has worked for over 200 years. We are such a young nation and look how we prospered compared to the rest of the world. They are jealous...plain and simple. That is why it is totally uncalled for for him to be traipsing across the planet and "apologizing" for us. What have we done wrong? Built a great nation while others have sucked themselves into a black hole? I see that as THEIR problem. Yet, in the end, they all call on the good old US of A to bail their asses out. We are not Europe. We don't want to be Europe. What we were doing was just fine for us. Let the rest of the world figure out their own damn way forward.

456 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:04:18am

re: #440 capitalist piglet

I regret that I have only one up-ding to give for your post.

457 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:04:32am
458 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:04:32am

re: #448 jwb7605

I'm going to steal that, and use it in the presence of my wife as necessary.
(updinged, but 3 people beat me to it ...)

Feel free! (And thanks.)

459 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:04:46am

re: #447 turn

The air in Beijing is so thick with polution and dust that you can barely hear a low-flying jet. That was a strange feeling ...

I've seen the pictures. It's really freaky, IMHO, how much dust is in the air there. IIRC, they have seasons where they get more dust than usual.

460 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:05:19am
Youtube Video
461 hellosnackbar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:05:29am

At one time Pamela Geller seemed to talk a lot of sense and became almost famous .
To a lesser degree Robert Spencer too.
Then some form of hubristic madness overcomes them to the extent that;
they become over a very short period of time hysterical idiots.
This is a relatively common ,yet very strange phenomenon.
It reminds me of various ephemeral "popstars"who, having one or maybe
two "hits"announce to the world that!"I(we) am(are) going to be bigger than the Beatles."
Such behaviour usually announces the end of their short career.

462 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #441 CyanSnowHawk

Perfidism is a new virtue?

Seeing the number of Blame America First types, it certainly is among them....

463 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #450 doppelganglander

Well, I guess I'm not too interested in her rack, since I have one of my own.

That's okay. She'd still draw more of an audience out of the roughly half the population that's left than she does pretending to have a brain.

Maybe more, if she figures out how to work the slo-mo setting on her webcam.

464 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:06:09am

This is interesting. We started with this thread with Nazi Projections, entered into a debate over Obama's views of his own, and now we have boob thread going. Only on LGF. Got to love it.

465 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:06:14am

re: #454 jcm

Several copies at Abe Books:
Liberty and Tyranny

466 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:06:21am

I'm not interested in Pam's "assets", because her weirdness is too much a turn off; and I'm even less interested in speculation on how she got the assets that I don't want to see.

467 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:06:21am

re: #450 doppelganglander

Well, I guess I'm not too interested in her rack, since I have one of my own.

I have a very nice caribou rack hanging at the top of my stairs. It was very very tasty also.

468 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:06:44am

OT

I guess Jews really do run the country.

////

469 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:07:07am

re: #459 Honorary Yooper

I've seen the pictures. It's really freaky, IMHO, how much dust is in the air there. IIRC, they have seasons where they get more dust than usual.

But then why aren't the Liberals all over them like flys on shit?

470 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:07:17am

re: #459 Honorary Yooper

I've seen the pictures. It's really freaky, IMHO, how much dust is in the air there. IIRC, they have seasons where they get more dust than usual.

I had one unbelievably clear day there, man was it a relief.

471 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:08:00am

re: #454 jcm

Not yet, haven't found a copy.

Amazon was out when I checked and haven't had a chance to go to a big bookstore.

Got mine through Barnes & Noble. I need to take the day and finish it and its such a nice day outside.

472 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #438 Nevergiveup

About 47% probably do.

Actually you can spin better then that. Don't just assume all the McCain voters think he hates the country, assume the non voters do too. You can them say the majority of Americans think their POTUS hates his county and that will give you great comfort.

473 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:09:13am

re: #464 Idle Drifter

own country PIMF

Boobs

474 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #468 CyanSnowHawk

OT

I guess Jews really do run the country.

////

So now the Jewish Seder is going to be all about him?

475 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:09:48am

re: #262 Abu Lahab

What is the next conspiracy theory? LGF is run by CAIR and Charles has a long beard and four wives?

Sure; they're Sharmuta, zombie, Killgore and Walter Newton.

/stalkersite

476 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:08am

re: #469 Nevergiveup

But then why aren't the Liberals all over them like flys on shit?

Fellow traveler-ism?

477 KenJen  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #468 CyanSnowHawk

"Its a chance to reflect and rest". Boy this guy needs to rest a lot.

478 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:28am

re: #464 Idle Drifter

This is interesting. We started with this thread with Nazi Projections, entered into a debate over Obama's views of his own, and now we have boob thread going. Only on LGF. Got to love it.

It's a double boob thread, you guys are refuting avanti remember.

479 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:36am

re: #472 avanti

Actually you can spin better then that. Don't just assume all the McCain voters think he hates the country, assume the non voters do too. You can them say the majority of Americans think their POTUS hates his county and that will give you great comfort.

I could spin it alot better but I am really tired of this ridiculous crap.

480 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:47am

re: #379 cosmicview

Can we stop this, our side can have different opinions and still work together.
End of story.

It's not that simple. Some of the people on the "right wing" or "conservative" are flat out white supremacists. These people, in addition to having despicable beliefs I want no part of, are very poor allies. They are often barely able to contain their hatred of Jews, and anyone who doesn't agree with their world view. In fact there are many white supremacists who are very sympathetic to Islam due to their shared hatred of Jews.

I really don't care what Leftists think of us because no matter what we do we'll always be bigots to them. I just think if you're going to stand for freedom against the Islamofascists, you can't be associating with racists who are the antithesis of what freedom is all about. It's tempting to simplify things and adopt the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, but when it's people with such despicable ideas who on top of that might turn on you, it isn't a very wise course.

481 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:50am

re: #467 johnnyreb

I have a very nice caribou rack hanging at the top of my stairs. It was very very tasty also.

Ummmmm. Tasty rack.

482 justacanuck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:10:57am

Wow. This is really juvenile on both their parts.

Pam, I can understand - she's quite a potty mouth and it was apparent to me she was pretty much a knee-jerk reactionary long ago. I stopped reading her site long before the big dustup with the Lizard Master.

Spencer however is a major disappointment. His was one of the first blogs I ever really started visiting regularly, post 9-11 - actually, it would be about the same time as I started hanging around LGF picking up my Zionist checks. I've often found Spencer's material very on-target and worthwhile, but holy keeripes, I mean we all have little disagreements from time to time, but if this is the level to which he stoops, it really brings to question the credibility of his past work and seriously undermines anything the guy might put out from this point forward.

Sorry Robert. I stopped reading ya back when you parted ways with the lizards here - and after Charles detailed rationale. Can imagine I'll be reading you any time in the future either. Good lucking holding onto your diminishing readership.

(Ya might want to look into the web stats thingy stuff before you and Pamaloopy start screeching about LGFs falling readership.)

483 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:11:05am

Oh and don't forget everyone...Obi has invited the head of the OIC to the White House. You know, the OIC...the one with FIFTY-SEVEN STATES! LMAO****************

484 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #469 Nevergiveup

But then why aren't the Liberals all over them like flys on shit?

Because, for liberals, only America can do wrong.

485 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:12:03am

IDEA!


How 'bout, from now on, instead of calling them BOOBS, we call them GELLERS

2 birds/ one stone and all that !

486 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:12:37am

Well I just returned from Atlas shugged site..I've heard of it but never visited until today.
Those posters have a serious maturity issue. Also Reality seems to be disconnected there.
I feel the comment about Charles as a general was laughable!
General Charles..Give me a call..I didn't get my marching orders for today.

487 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #468 CyanSnowHawk

OT

I guess Jews really do run the country.

////

If we did, we might be able to make Geller shut up.

Gee whiz, I wish she wasn't Jewish. Its embarassing. Like having (another) crazy aunt. Look at her Pesach wishes: she hopes for nice things for all the righteous gentiles who read her blog. And the ones who don't, Pam? Just shut up already...please?

488 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:13:07am

I think I'll change the plate cover on my truck from "Hope&Change my a$$" to "America! FUCK YEAH!" Sound like a good idea ya'll?

489 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:13:55am

re: #486 HoosierHoops

Well I just returned from Atlas shugged site..I've heard of it but never visited until today.
Those posters have a serious maturity issue. Also Reality seems to be disconnected there.
I feel the comment about Charles as a general was laughable!
General Charles..Give me a call..I didn't get my marching orders for today.

You're a lowly grunt. You would never hear from the general. He'd pass it down the chain of command. You'll end up taking your orders from me and liking it!

490 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #485 sattv4u2

IDEA!

How 'bout, from now on, instead of calling them BOOBS, we call them GELLERS

2 birds/ one stone and all that !

Please do not sully the sweater muffins with references of that kind.

491 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:14:05am

re: #486 HoosierHoops

Well I just returned from Atlas shugged site..I've heard of it but never visited until today.
Those posters have a serious maturity issue. Also Reality seems to be disconnected there.
I feel the comment about Charles as a general was laughable!
General Charles..Give me a call..I didn't get my marching orders for today.

Hurry up and Wait...:)


////SSS

492 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #472 avanti

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

493 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:14:45am

boobs
noobs
and rubes

494 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:14:58am

re: #488 UberInfidel67

I think I'll change the plate cover on my truck from "Hope&Change my a$$" to "America! FUCK YEAH!" Sound like a good idea ya'll?

Great idea. I kind of liked "HOPE was HYPE". There was an even better one here a few weeks ago, can't remember just now. I better go eat lunch.

495 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #487 Hhar

If we did, we might be able to make Geller shut up.

Gee whiz, I wish she wasn't Jewish. Its embarassing. Like having (another) crazy aunt. Look at her Pesach wishes: she hopes for nice things for all the righteous gentiles who read her blog. And the ones who don't, Pam? Just shut up already...please?

Every groups has its crazies. It's one of those things that make them feel like family sometimes.

496 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:15:27am

re: #493 Shug

boobs
noobs
and rubes

Rotating title nomination.

497 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:15:32am

U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice Faces Her First Test as Top U.S. Diplomat
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice has tried -- so far unsuccessfully -- to win a Security Council resolution condemning North Korea's rocket launch last weekend. Critics say the resolution will mean little, even if one is passed.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Normally I don't worry to much who our Ambassador is to the UN, since we pretty much ignore it, but with Obama putting all his faith and our Future in their hands, well now I care. And I do not trust Susan Rice. What worries me is that apparently Obama does? G-D help us.

498 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:15:33am

re: #474 Nevergiveup

So now the Jewish Seder is going to be all about him?

Why is this night different from all others?
A: Because I'm President (you mean there's another answer?) /

499 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:15:43am

re: #490 CyanSnowHawk

Please do not sully the sweater muffins with references of that kind.

Ummmmm. Sweater muffins.

-Homer Simpson.

500 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:16:27am

OT, and I'm sure the overall topic was discussed, but I just had to post a quote from Bobby Rush (D-Mo) about Raul Castro.

Fidel Castro to Congressional Black Caucus members: 'How can we help President Obama?'

"I think that what really surprised me, but also endeared me to him, was his keen sense of humor, his sense of history and his basic human qualities," Rush said.

Yeah, Bobby, good job. Those are the first things I think about too, whenever I hear the name Castro.

Who gives a flying fart if Raul Castro can tell a joke? Mr. Rush, you're actually starting to make Obama look like an expert in foreign affairs.

I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature ever voted for you.

501 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:16:41am

re: #489 sattv4u2

You're a lowly grunt. You would never hear from the general. He'd pass it down the chain of command. You'll end up taking your orders from me and liking it!

Aye Aye Sir!
Can I get you anything? Coffee, Beer?
/a smoking hot Super model on the rebound?

502 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

1000 Up dings Mandy!

503 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:17:10am

o/t
What does a President Elect do for the two months between winning an election and taking the oath of office.

I would like to see the following done:

Crash course on the constitution
Crash course on world history of the 20th-21st century
Crash course on economics and private enterprise

504 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:17:31am

OT
Apparantly the US electrical grid (check the news, wherever you may find it), has been infiltrated, and some "software" has been "left" on the system, which, according to the many no-information-having articles I've read, may be activatable later on.

re: #243 Taqiyyotomist

CAN THE "SOFTWARE" WHICH WAS "LEFT" BE REMOVED?

How has an entire internet full of tech-junkies avoided asking this question?

HOW? WTF? Have we reached a stupid saturation point?

This article initially scared me but as I read it, I realized the details they had were about the breaches that have "gone on for years"...they are spending security department money to stay ahead of the curve. BUT the timing of the "scare" coincides with a bill that is in congress where BHO's administration wants to have the power to shut down the internet or control it, or censor it - in the name of national security, without any further act of congress, but on the whim of the executive cybersecurity czar...

Here is another example of generated crisis to manipulate the people into thinking their new laws that breach the constitution are for the greater good. I smell a rat.

[Link: arstechnica.com...]

505 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #503 Eowyn2

o/t
What does a President Elect do for the two months between winning an election and taking the oath of office.

I would like to see the following done:

Crash course on the constitution
Crash course on world history of the 20th-21st century
Crash course on economics and private enterprise

He should already be proficient in all three of those before even being considered for candidate. Or barring that, 2 out of 3.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #271 reine.de.tout

And left-handed, I think?

Like Bush and Clinton, and I think, Bush Sr. as well. We southpaws are overrepresented in the presidency.

507 tommygum  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:13am

re: #492 MandyManners

Remember that "trucker"?

508 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:19am

re: #494 turn

Great idea. I kind of liked "HOPE was HYPE". There was an even better one here a few weeks ago, can't remember just now. I better go eat lunch.

Taste's like socialism!

509 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:25am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

Aye Aye Sir!
Can I get you anything? Coffee, Beer?
/a smoking hot Super model on the rebound?

How you fixed for MRE's...:)

510 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:35am

re: #485 sattv4u2

IDEA!


How 'bout, from now on, instead of calling them BOOBS, we call them GELLERS

2 birds/ one stone and all that !

Oh blech!

Mine are still 'the girls'.

511 shortshrift  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:37am

This dispute - CJ v. Geller and Spencer - is so ridiculous that I suspect both sides are accusing each other tongue-in-cheek as they know it is good for generating response. Obviously, the Geller/Spencer side is making the point that "association" takes many forms, from mere 'linking", to talking with, to appearing in the same gathering, to joining in the same activities, to agreement with, to partnership, to marriage... They may be irritated by CJ's rather puritan scolding of their more exaggerated stances (Nirther conspiracies). Some of those people they claim CJ has thrown under the bus, like Coulter and Fallaci, do scorn and rage as their shtick. I totally disagree with Coulter on God, but I admire both women for not being mealy-mouthed.
I think Spencer is having a good time "insulting" CJ, because he really did take offense at being "associated" (taken in a sense towards the 'partnership' end of the scale) with Nazis. Any fair-minded reading of Spencer shows him to be the sworn enemy of Nazism in all its forms, including Islamism. I have never disagreed with CJ, or Spencer (except for belief in God), on matters of substance. In the matter of style, I prefer CJ's dry comments ("Give them a state") , but sometimes enjoy full-blown invective, or dripping irony. The dispute is really about style. Style doesn't hurt the cause, this kind of vituperation about style does.

512 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

I think that he has served but,deep down he is ashamed, that he did.

Both my great grandfathers(in WW1) and my grandfathers(WW2) and 2 uncles(1 in Korea and one in Vietnam) served with pride. Avanti has no pride. Just ego. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU AVANTI

513 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:20:15am

re: #492 MandyManners

You know you are not alone but I've refrained from making that same comment because I have never served. I felt it would be hypocritical, but somethings just not right it seems.

514 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:20:39am

did everyone see the item at Drudge that says the Ship's Captain is being held hostage? (Algerias mentioned it last thread)

515 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:20:43am

It looks like the "sleeping with nazis" warning they couldn't heed is having an effect on them. No longer able to distinguish friend from foe.

516 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:21:08am

re: #500 subsailor68

OT, and I'm sure the overall topic was discussed, but I just had to post a quote from Bobby Rush (D-Mo) about Raul Castro.

Fidel Castro to Congressional Black Caucus members: 'How can we help President Obama?'

"I think that what really surprised me, but also endeared me to him, was his keen sense of humor, his sense of history and his basic human qualities," Rush said.

Yeah, Bobby, good job. Those are the first things I think about too, whenever I hear the name Castro.

Who gives a flying fart if Raul Castro can tell a joke? Mr. Rush, you're actually starting to make Obama look like an expert in foreign affairs.

I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature ever voted for you.

This is what happens when you allow yourself to be blinded by words without a thought for the past. It seems this Rush fellow would have liked other autocrats for their speaking skills. He'd probably enjoy Chinese state televisions or watching Chavez for six hours a day.

517 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:21:37am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

Some former navy lizards should be able to smoke him out. I'm ex-army and I can smell a phony and smoke him out at a hundred yards but can't do it with Navy.......

518 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:21:43am

re: #503 Eowyn2

o/t
What does a President Elect do for the two months between winning an election and taking the oath of office.

I would like to see the following done:

Crash course on the constitution
Crash course on world history of the 20th-21st century
Crash course on economics and private enterprise

I am trying desperately not to laugh.

519 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:21:49am
520 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:22am

re: #511 shortshrift

This dispute - CJ v. Geller and Spencer - is so ridiculous that I suspect both sides are accusing each other tongue-in-cheek as they know it is good for generating response. Obviously, the Geller/Spencer side is making the point that "association" takes many forms, from mere 'linking", to talking with, to appearing in the same gathering, to joining in the same activities, to agreement with, to partnership, to marriage... They may be irritated by CJ's rather puritan scolding of their more exaggerated stances (Nirther conspiracies). Some of those people they claim CJ has thrown under the bus, like Coulter and Fallaci, do scorn and rage as their shtick. I totally disagree with Coulter on God, but I admire both women for not being mealy-mouthed.
I think Spencer is having a good time "insulting" CJ, because he really did take offense at being "associated" (taken in a sense towards the 'partnership' end of the scale) with Nazis. Any fair-minded reading of Spencer shows him to be the sworn enemy of Nazism in all its forms, including Islamism. I have never disagreed with CJ, or Spencer (except for belief in God), on matters of substance. In the matter of style, I prefer CJ's dry comments ("Give them a state") , but sometimes enjoy full-blown invective, or dripping irony. The dispute is really about style. Style doesn't hurt the cause, this kind of vituperation about style does.

WTF. 2 comments and you have this insightful rant.

521 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:35am

re: #509 Dustyvet

How you fixed for MRE's...:)

C'mon Dusty, you can recommend the really good stuff instead :)
C-rats at Ebay

522 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:40am

re: #508 Idle Drifter

Taste's like socialism!

I should get a t-shirt like that. The one the other day was really good, dang I should have written it down.

523 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #486 HoosierHoops

That reminds me of the Cox & Forkum cartoon which shows Charles as the Lizard King receiving his check from the vast Zionist conspiracy. The cartoon, of course, was a satire of those kooks who claimed LGF was part of the vast Zionist conspiracy. Funny stuff.

I want to get on the vast Zionist Conspiracy payroll too. Hopefully Charles will tell us how to do it. ;-)

524 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:22:56am

re: #41 MandyManners

Time to go play with the PS3. My BP is high and my left eye is twitching. bbiab

What's you PSN ID? I'll add you as a friend.

525 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:23:00am

re: #510 VioletTiger

Oh blech!

Mine are still 'the girls'.

My Male sometimes says, "Free the twins!"

526 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:23:26am

re: #485 sattv4u2

IDEA!

How 'bout, from now on, instead of calling them BOOBS, we call them GELLERS

2 birds/ one stone and all that !

That would be an insult to "Buffy" actress Sarah Michelle Geller.

527 mfarmer1  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:23:44am

I've got a really good business associate who is completely into the end-times stuff, loves Beck, and I just found out is a "young Earther" and all of that. (the first one I've known actually as far as I know).

He is well educated, a great guy, I'd trust him with anything. And yet, he totally sucks up all of this conspiracy stuff and thinks the world is only 6000 years old. I just avoid those subjects with him.

It's bad enough when we have to deal with the angry ultra left, and now we find ourselves on the right fighting with each other.

Folks, there's nothing wrong for example with enjoying the Glenn Beck program on Fox and Bill Maher's show on HBO at the same time. I like them both. Sure, I think Beck goes too far with the kooky shit sometimes and most of the guests on Maher's show make me cringe. So what?

I think the problem here is that people who participate on blogs, follow the news daily, etc., like all of us here, are far more likely also to enjoy a good healthy debate as well and if we admit it, enjoy getting our feathers ruffled a bit.

My hunch is that for the most part, participants here at LGF could sit down even with Markos Moulitsas and his crew and have a few cold ones over some spirited (literally) debate without killing one another.

Can't we all just get along?

528 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:25:06am

i bet o is very frustrated that he can only traipse around the world being
rev. wright lite.

529 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:25:12am

re: #511 shortshrift

I think you are about to receive short shrift, yourself.

And you deserve it.

If you think Oriana Fallaci was equivalent to Ann Coulter (of whom I am fond, btw; but I don't take her seriously), you are a fool of truly epic proportions.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:25:25am

re: #309 J.D.

CBC members praise Castro

I guess that means he's still alive.

531 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:04am

re: #516 Mr. In get Mr. Out

This is what happens when you allow yourself to be blinded by words without a thought for the past. It seems this Rush fellow would have liked other autocrats for their speaking skills. He'd probably enjoy Chinese state televisions or watching Chavez for six hours a day.

This Rush fellow is a former Black Panther ya know?

532 sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:19am

re: #527 mfarmer1

no.

533 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:20am

The Atlus Shrugs folks are all kinds of crazy. Ayn Rand would be embarrassed.

534 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:24am

re: #511 shortshrift

I think you're totally off base here. It's not about "style", it's about substance. (along with the fact that Spencer, etc., constantly project their own failings/delusions onto others and then have the audacity to falsely malign others...while they are doing precisely what they falsely accuse others of doing...argh...)

535 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:35am

re: #483 UberInfidel67

Oh and don't forget everyone...Obi has invited the head of the OIC to the White House. You know, the OIC...the one with FIFTY-SEVEN STATES! LMAO****************

Might I suggest he have a pig roast, and afterwards, give them all some pigskin bags for their korans.

536 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:26:37am

re: #435 avanti

Can you please identify anything Obama loves about America? Be specific. I haven't seen any evidence of it. Saying that other people believe he does is not evidence. Please provide links for reference.

537 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #526 calcajun

That would be an insult to "Buffy" actress Sarah Michelle Geller.

Gellar.

538 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #513 turn

You know you are not alone but I've refrained from making that same comment because I have never served. I felt it would be hypocritical, but somethings just not right it seems.

I served in Vietnam with the U S 9th Infantry Division 1967-67, 1st BN 11th Artillery, and I was called up with my USAR unit for Desert Shield/Desert Storm, in a supporting role at Fort Sam Houston Texas, in 1991. This can be supported with my DD-214. I have no use for folks who want to play war veterans who never served!

539 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:27:58am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

That's why I dropped the reference to my service, it was being questioned. Once I saw that some on the right thought that only those on the right loved their country, or were willing to serve I saw that my service was just a distraction.
Mandy, I'd be happy to e-mail Charles a scan of my DD 214 if that would satisfy you, but it would not change a damn thing.

540 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #527 mfarmer1

[SNIP]
My hunch is that for the most part, participants here at LGF could sit down even with Markos Moulitsas and his crew and have a few cold ones over some spirited (literally) debate without killing one another.

Can't we all just get along?

You almost had me.

And, no, we cant all get along. Most of us, maybe, but not all of us.

541 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

And if the refusal was because he was afraid of insulting the Germans, he could very well have gone to Germany and visited Auschwitz.

542 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #521 JHW

C'mon Dusty, you can recommend the really good stuff instead :)
C-rats at Ebay

Oh boy C-Rats...:)

543 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #511 shortshrift

You missed the Velaams Belang fall out. Organizing your thought around anything else would make subsequent statements inaccurate. Geller fashions herself a modern Mata Hari and Robert Spencer's orbit has aligned with hers. They are working in tandem now. One is with the other. It's a work marriage.

Geller threw the "all or nothing" loyalty check at anyone who didn't agree with her and then she accused them of underminding the whole GWOT because she wasn't supported. It was a whole can of worms that she started rolling because she couldn't resist it.

544 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:30am

re: #531 Nevergiveup

This Rush fellow is a former Black Panther ya know?

Now, it all makes perfect sense to me.

545 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:45am

re: #533 NukeAtomrod

Not really.

546 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:54am

re: #472 avanti

Actually you can spin better then that. Don't just assume all the McCain voters think he hates the country, assume the non voters do too. You can them say the majority of Americans think their POTUS hates his county and that will give you great comfort.

Could Obama do anything that would repulse you?

547 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:28:56am

re: #535 Kosh's Shadow

Great idea. That'll make 'em unclench. lol

548 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:17am

re: #536 Kenneth

Can you please identify anything Obama loves about America? Be specific. I haven't seen any evidence of it. Saying that other people believe he does is not evidence. Please provide links for reference.

UNC?

549 sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:34am

re: #527 mfarmer1

I wouldn't share the last tree with Kossucker if the world were flooded in piss.

550 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:35am

re: #517 LGoPs

Some former navy lizards should be able to smoke him out. I'm ex-army and I can smell a phony and smoke him out at a hundred yards but can't do it with Navy.......

I am retired Navy and I have not seen him make any obvious mistakes. He appears to have the jargon down correctly.

551 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #545 Dianna

Not really.

Rand was a little nutty, but not that nutty.

552 turn  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:00am

re: #538 Dustyvet

Thank you for your service dusty, I'd salute you but I probably screw that up :.) Reminds me of that scene in Scent of a Woman where Slade says "don't do that"

553 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:19am

re: #536 Kenneth
Your asking.........Rhetorically right!?
I wouldn't want to waste the band width or whatever it's calleddoing the research..............

554 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #511 shortshrift

Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

555 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:34am

re: #539 avanti

That's why I dropped the reference to my service, it was being questioned. Once I saw that some on the right thought that only those on the right loved their country, or were willing to serve I saw that my service was just a distraction.
Mandy, I'd be happy to e-mail Charles a scan of my DD 214 if that would satisfy you, but it would not change a damn thing.

Scan it and send it, then. It would settle our doubts.

Well, after Charles finishes with his move.

556 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:30:52am

re: #512 Erik The Red

I think that he has served but,deep down he is ashamed, that he did.

I want a apology for that line. I am far from ashamed of my service, or my country. I know this is a tough room, and I can deal with most of the name calling, but it's getting over the top.

557 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:13am

re: #538 Dustyvet

I served in Vietnam with the U S 9th Infantry Division 1967-67, 1st BN 11th Artillery, and I was called up with my USAR unit for Desert Shield/Desert Storm, in a supporting role at Fort Sam Houston Texas, in 1991. This can be supported with my DD-214. I have no use for folks who want to play war veterans who never served!

I served in the Submarine Service with the 7th Fleet from 1968 - 1976. I have a DD-214 to prove it, but won't show it to anyone, because DD-214 was a surface ship!

;-)

558 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:18am

re: #505 ConservatismNow!

He should already be proficient in all three of those before even being considered for candidate. Or barring that, 2 out of 3.

Should be, could be, SHOULD HAVE TO BE
we both know that obama is not familiar with any of the three.
How many lawyers are actually learned about constitutional law?
How many US citizens under the age of 50 are learned about WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Grenada, etc. How many revolutions have taken place in the past 50 years?

559 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #539 avanti

That's why I dropped the reference to my service, it was being questioned. Once I saw that some on the right thought that only those on the right loved their country, or were willing to serve I saw that my service was just a distraction.
Mandy, I'd be happy to e-mail Charles a scan of my DD 214 if that would satisfy you, but it would not change a damn thing.

The big difference between you, me, dustyvet, and a few others is that there is probably one of us who the rest would be uncomfortable with if we needed our six covered.
DD 214's notwithstanding. I served with people you remind me of.

560 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #509 Dustyvet

How you fixed for MRE's...:)


Our son brought home some MRE's for us to try when he was on leave once..The chip/dip was somewhat good..I would have considered joining as a kid if they had personnal Chefs at the chow halls..
I like my fresh Omelette with no whites, Fresh tomatoes, mushrooms and Colby cheese, Fresh Fruit and lots of OJ.
LOL

561 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #538 Dustyvet

I served in Vietnam with the U S 9th Infantry Division 1967-67, 1st BN 11th Artillery, and I was called up with my USAR unit for Desert Shield/Desert Storm, in a supporting role at Fort Sam Houston Texas, in 1991. This can be supported with my DD-214. I have no use for folks who want to play war veterans who never served!

Messed that one up, served with the 9th Infantry Division 1967-68...Buy a new keyboard Dusty...

562 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:31:48am

re: #555 Dianna

Scan it and send it, then. It would settle our doubts.

Well, after Charles finishes with his move.

Where is Charles going? Not asking for specifics or anything but I missed previous references. Is he staying in California?

563 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:07am

I am about to get ready for Seder.

If I may bend a few ears (eyes) briefly, I would like to share a few thoughts. I don't mean this to be a religious screed per se, however, my thoughts about the holiday reflect on the news.

Pesach, is about Freedom. We commemorate the Exodus from Egypt. However, it is not just a simple story of slaves yearning for freedom, the wrath of G-d, or the escape of people into a new life. It is a reflection that with freedom comes sober responsibility. The promised land was not "just delivered" with a bow on it. The people had to accept the Law first. They had to struggle and rise up and break the mental state of slavery before entering the Land.

In Hebrew, the word for Egypt is Mitzrayim - it literally means "the narrow place." Being in Mitzrayim is a mental and a spiritual state as much as a physical one. The great paradox of Pesach is that Freedom is never free. That to be free mentally and spiritually, one must accept a certain discipline.

The real world is hard - in some ways it is harder for free men to bear then it is for slaves. The slave is dehumanized, but he is housed and fed and most importantly he has no choices to think for himself. Many find that comfortable.

This is where I wish to make a point about the news.

There will always be fools who spout foolishness. The world of fantasy where one's own un-earned grandiosity reigns supreme is always more attractive than the world of toil. It is always easier to believe that nothing your fault, that your nonsense is brilliant and that you are the master of all things without earning it.

What I see again and again in the world, the press, the blogsphere is the horrible realization that people are killing themselves every day through following those comfortable illusions. It is easier to believe that the Iranis are somehow deep down nice guys who don't really want atomics. It is easier to believe in frothing conspiracy theories because if every thing is really run by shadow cabals, then one is absolved of the responsibility of doing anything about it. It is easier to spout off about science than it is to actually learn it. It is easier to simply call Obama names than it is to reflect on the failures of one's own party or the bigger picture - I mean really how in bed was Bush (and all previous presidents in the last half century) with the Saudis? It is easier to just not think. It is easier to vent anger than it is to reflect. It is easier to tear down others than it is to build up oneself.

All of these things are forms of Mitzrayim.

I am mostly writing this to say how profoundly grateful I am to have friends here, rabble that we are, who try to see the world as it is and to not be in Mitzrayim.

I wish everyone here the absolute best.

564 razorbacker  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:36am

I don't know why anyone would be surprised at the vitriol directed at Charles Johnson.

The man masticates daily. No, really, he does. If you press him on it, he'll be forced to admit it.

I have in on good authority that when at school, Mr. Johnson actually may have matriculated. He was forced to discontinue his studies at that particular institution once this came to light.

The fellow seems actually proud of the fact that he has plucked a musical insturment in the full view of an audience.

And that is just what we know about him. Who among us can say what other evile things he may have been responsible for.

Can anyone vouch for his whereabouts when this 'pirate attack' was taking place? I thought not.

565 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:43am

re: #539 avanti

I know plenty of liberals, Democrats and even leftist who have proudly served in the US military. I disagree with many of your political opinions, but I certainly respect your military service.

566 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:47am

re: #557 subsailor68

I served in the Submarine Service with the 7th Fleet from 1968 - 1976. I have a DD-214 to prove it, but won't show it to anyone, because DD-214 was a surface ship!

;-)

oh... otays...and please get that Sea Kitten out of my ready room...:)

567 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:52am

re: #541 Eowyn2

And if the refusal was because he was afraid of insulting the Germans, he could very well have gone to Germany and visited Auschwitz.

The only cemeteries in the area people get insulted by you visiting would be the nazi ones. Pres Obama is socially insensitive to anything that falls outside of his social justice education. His cronies are insulted by anything at the center of Western Civilization. He'll catch a lot of supporter flak the more he pays attention to the military in any form. Same problem Pres Bush had. You had people help you on the way up, but they are a little off. How do you be Presidents of the United States and still return their favors.

568 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:32:56am

re: #557 subsailor68

I served in the Submarine Service with the 7th Fleet from 1968 - 1976. I have a DD-214 to prove it, but won't show it to anyone, because DD-214 was a surface ship!

;-)

A Destroyer, huh?
:)

569 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #557 subsailor68

I served in the Submarine Service with the 7th Fleet from 1968 - 1976. I have a DD-214 to prove it, but won't show it to anyone, because DD-214 was a surface ship!

;-)

Shouldn't you have said DD-214 was a target?

And thanks for your service.

570 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:12am

re: #562 LGoPs

He said he was moving into an underground complex deep beneath an unnamed airport.

571 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #539 avanti

I believe you were in the Navy. And I have heard people who in the Navy now express some views about Obama not to dissimilar to yours. But in those cases I just keep my yap shut.

572 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #562 LGoPs

Where is Charles going? Not asking for specifics or anything but I missed previous references. Is he staying in California?

No clue.

573 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #500 subsailor68

OT, and I'm sure the overall topic was discussed, but I just had to post a quote from Bobby Rush (D-Mo) about Raul Castro.

Fidel Castro to Congressional Black Caucus members: 'How can we help President Obama?'

"I think that what really surprised me, but also endeared me to him, was his keen sense of humor, his sense of history and his basic human qualities," Rush said.

Yeah, Bobby, good job. Those are the first things I think about too, whenever I hear the name Castro.

Who gives a flying fart if Raul Castro can tell a joke? Mr. Rush, you're actually starting to make Obama look like an expert in foreign affairs.

I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature ever voted for you.


And didn't Laura Richardson state that many people living in Cuba had it better then a lot of people in her district?

Nobody asked her if all those happy Cubans could leave Cuba..... Kind of cheapens the life of people if they are captive to the government. But Richardson wouldn't understand that....she is a victim. Money and freebees from the Government is more important to actual liberty.....

DO you think we can call them unpatriotic now?

574 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:51am

re: #536 Kenneth

Can you please identify anything Obama loves about America? Be specific. I haven't seen any evidence of it. Saying that other people believe he does is not evidence. Please provide links for reference.

I'll try it. He loves that America has produced enough morons to fall for his bull shit.

575 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:33:56am

re: #536 Kenneth

Can you please identify anything Obama loves about America? Be specific.

He loves that America put him in the White House. Does that count?

576 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #562 LGoPs

Where is Charles going? Not asking for specifics or anything but I missed previous references. Is he staying in California?

Well from revealing recent new links never seen before. I would say the playboy mansion.

577 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #563 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks, and chag sameach.

578 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:39am

**whispering* What is Seder?

579 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:34:59am

re: #553 reloadingisnotahobby

No. I would really like to see some evidence, in the form of quotations or acts of national service, which demonstrate Obama's love for America. We can then discuss the merits or sincerity of those quotes.

580 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:35:49am

Instapundit making false claims of oppression again.....



ALLENTOWN, PA. TRIES TO stick it to Tea Party marchers.

Posted at 1:22 pm by Glenn Reynolds

If you follow the link.....

They'll be in Bethlehem, Easton...Lehighton, Kempton. Why not Allentown? Local organizer Kim Schmidtner tells QCD that the Queen City was too difficult to work with what with all its demands for $1 million in liability insurance and the cost of paying for police coverage. The other two Lehigh Valley cities: Much easier, she said.


You have to pay the same fucking insurance as everybody else who want to hold a rally. This is not oppression of patriotism. This is dishonest, it's a lie. I will still read Glenn Reynolds to watch for more bullshit and lunacy from the Tea party crowd but I no longer consider him a credible source for information. Very sad. G'bye, Glenn. I'm done.

581 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:35:52am

re: #564 razorbacker

I don't know why anyone would be surprised at the vitriol directed at Charles Johnson.

The man masticates daily. No, really, he does. If you press him on it, he'll be forced to admit it.

I have in on good authority that when at school, Mr. Johnson actually may have matriculated. He was forced to discontinue his studies at that particular institution once this came to light.

The fellow seems actually proud of the fact that he has plucked a musical insturment in the full view of an audience.

And that is just what we know about him. Who among us can say what other evile things he may have been responsible for.

Can anyone vouch for his whereabouts when this 'pirate attack' was taking place? I thought not.

My God, it's worse than I thought!

I also have it on good authority that when he starred in school plays, he was a flamboyantly out-of-the-closet thespian.

582 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:01am

re: #569 Kosh's Shadow

Shouldn't you have said DD-214 was a target?

And thanks for your service.

Well, I thought about it, but what the heck, they're all my shipmates too! God bless 'em one and all!

:-)

583 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:31am

re: #577 Kosh's Shadow

Thanks, and chag sameach.

back at you buddy

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #487 Hhar

If we did, we might be able to make Geller shut up.

Gee whiz, I wish she wasn't Jewish. Its embarassing. Like having (another) crazy aunt. Look at her Pesach wishes: she hopes for nice things for all the righteous gentiles who read her blog. And the ones who don't, Pam? Just shut up already...please?

Gentiles who don't read Pam's blog aren't 'righteous'.

/

(BTW, a Chag Pesach Sameach to all.)

585 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:37am

Biden warns Israel off any attack on Iran

Reporting from Washington -- Vice President Joe Biden issued a high-level admonishment to Israel's new government Tuesday that it would be "ill advised" to launch a military strike against Iran.

Biden said in a CNN interview that he does not believe newly installed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would take such a step. Even so, his comment underscored a gap between the conservative new Israeli government and the Obama White House on a series of questions, including the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and Iran.

So now the U.S. government is publicly running interference on behalf of protecting Iran?

/just in case you still had any illusions as to who's side the Obama administration is on

586 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:36:53am

re: #575 Occasional Reader

No.

587 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:04am

American crew members aboard a U.S.-flagged ship hijacked by Somali pirates Wednesday were able to regain control of the vessel, but a crew member says the ship's captain is still being held hostage.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Apparently the Capt. is still a hostage

588 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:08am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

**whispering* What is Seder?

I think we refer to it as "Passover".

589 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:13am

re: #555 Dianna

Scan it and send it, then. It would settle our doubts.

Well, after Charles finishes with his move.

I respect Charles and will send anything he wants.

590 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

**whispering* What is Seder?

It's the big meal for Passover. There is a service that accompanies the meal.

591 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:32am

I really must invest in an English to Hebrew dictionary.

592 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:37:33am

re: #571 Nevergiveup

I believe you were in the Navy. And I have heard people who in the Navy now express some views about Obama not to dissimilar to yours. But in those cases I just keep my yap shut.

I (ex Navy) am giving some of my garden vegetable plants to a Marine (ex?) just like that. We trade e-mails and gardening tips. It's not limited to a single branch of service.

593 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:07am

re: #588 Dianna
AAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh Thank you : )

594 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #585 Killian Bundy

Biden warns Israel off any attack on Iran

So now the U.S. government is publicly running interference on behalf of protecting Iran?

/just in case you still had any illusions as to who's side the Obama administration is on

Never had a doubt on which side "The One" is on.

*SPIT*

s/

595 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:52am

re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote
Like "our" Easter Sunday dinner kinda sorta?

596 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:54am

re: #592 jwb7605

I (ex Navy) am giving some of my garden vegetable plants to a Marine (ex?) just like that. We trade e-mails and gardening tips. It's not limited to a single branch of service.

Ooohh, jwb! I have it on good authority that there's no such thing as an ex-Marine!

....well, except maybe John Murtha.

;-)

597 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:54am

re: #581 Occasional Reader

My God, it's worse than I thought!

I also have it on good authority that when he starred in school plays, he was a flamboyantly out-of-the-closet thespian.

Do thespians speak with lithsps....?
/

598 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:59am

re: #536 Kenneth

Can you please identify anything Obama loves about America? Be specific. I haven't seen any evidence of it. Saying that other people believe he does is not evidence. Please provide links for reference.

I think Obama despises historical "American Values." This is why the mantra of "change." This is why he can sit in that hateful church for 20 years. This is why is wife was never proud of her country. This is why he took those positions on the Constitution as being "flawed." I have no doubt that Obama has no love for the same America that I do.

599 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:39:16am

re: #591 UberInfidel67

I really must invest in an English to Hebrew dictionary.

I think google could have answered that one for you, but you've got such a good resource on this board, why bother?

600 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #555 Dianna

Scan it and send it, then. It would settle our doubts.

Well, after Charles finishes with his move.

The military is like general society. People of all types in it. It seems in poor taste to question someone's service unless they make some obvious false statement like they served in Nam and didn't. Or got a purple heart and didn't.

601 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

I've seen enough things in Avanti's comments to reassure me that he served. I served in both the Army and the Navy, and in both services I met people across the whole spectrum of political flavors.
That is not an accusation to be made lightly. I find it offensive.

602 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:12am

re: #556 avanti

I want a apology for that line. I am far from ashamed of my service, or my country. I know this is a tough room, and I can deal with most of the name calling, but it's getting over the top.

Avanti, don't hold your breath. Suck it up. You dump enough shit here and never back it up.

603 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:21am

re: #588 Dianna

I think we refer to it as "Passover".

Ah, so it's like that maize/corn thing.

/flashback to 70s Mazola ads

604 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:36am
605 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:41am

re: #599 Dianna
Where else can one learn a new language, politics, etc than here? It's great!I just didn't want to seem like a pain in the ass always asking what something meant.

606 razorbacker  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:40:44am

re: #581 Occasional Reader

Good Lord! You don't mean to say he's a thespian, too? Why, he'd be no better than some sort of actor or something. Merely playing a role, instead of forthrightly living an honest life.

We're going to have to follow this fellow's career with close interest, if even half what we suspect is confirmed.

607 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:07am

re: #592 jwb7605

I (ex Navy) am giving some of my garden vegetable plants to a Marine (ex?) just like that. We trade e-mails and gardening tips. It's not limited to a single branch of service.

I am sure but I tend to be with Navy personnel alot more than Marines, and then the Marines are usually either Medical officers like me or young Marines who keep their mouths shut except when I need them to open for me.

608 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:09am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

**whispering* What is Seder?

**whispering back** Isn't it the kind of wood used to grill the Chag Pesach Sameach-es?

//(please, no offense to anyone!)

609 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:13am

re: #600 hazzyday

The military is like general society. People of all types in it. It seems in poor taste to question someone's service unless they make some obvious false statement like they served in Nam and didn't. Or got a purple heart and didn't.

I generally agree, but people have been questioning avanti's service, and I'd like that particular issue done away with.

610 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:26am

re: #588 Dianna

I think we refer to it as "Passover".

(Actually, it's the meal, not the holiday... pesach)

611 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:41:41am

I'm going to go along with Kenneth, #565 on this, I know many veterans that fit all along the political spectrum, not particularly different from Avanti in their opinions. We have heated arguments at times, but remain cordial. I see no particular reason to doubt him on his service.

612 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:00am

re: #600 hazzyday

The military is like general society. People of all types in it. It seems in poor taste to question someone's service unless they make some obvious false statement like they served in Nam and didn't. Or got a purple heart and didn't.

Or Purple Hearts for self inflicted wounds...Like a certain LT for life...

613 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:18am

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

The meal is conducted according to the Haggadah

That premium ice cream brand?

614 Shug  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:37am

I question avanti's sanity, but not his service record

615 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #585 Killian Bundy

Let's put that quote through the Bullshit DecrypterTM:

Reporting from Washington -- Vice President Joe Biden issued a high-level admonishment to Israel's new government Tuesday that it would be "ill advised" to launch a military strike against Iran should just lie down and die quietly.

616 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:47am

re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist

mmm Chag Pesach Sammich.

617 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #595 UberInfidel67

Like "our" Easter Sunday dinner kinda sorta?

Closely related. The Last Supper was a Seder.

618 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:18am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

(Actually, it's the meal, not the holiday... pesach)

There is a Seder at Hanukkah as well, each night, right?

619 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

(Actually, it's the meal, not the holiday... pesach)

I'm not an authority; I just wanted to give a one-word explanation.

620 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:30am

re: #573 yesandno


DO you think we can call them unpatriotic now?

I think DUMBASS basically covers it.

621 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:35am
622 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #581 Occasional Reader

My God, it's worse than I thought!

I also have it on good authority that when he starred in school plays, he was a flamboyantly out-of-the-closet thespian.

A thespian? You mean like Rock Hudson?!?!

623 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #608 Right mind left

**whispering back** Isn't it the kind of wood used to grill the Chag Pesach Sameach-es?

//(please, no offense to anyone!)

When you ritually clean the house prior to pesach, do you have to use O-Seder cleaning products?

624 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #587 Nevergiveup

Do you think the US Navy will risk a boarding to get the freed crew off ship? I'd hate to think what would happen to the Captain should the pirates get nervous.

625 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:05am

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey
Wow. You guys really put a lot of work into your religion. Contrast that with the "other" religion whose rituals require slicing of throats and beating themselves with sharp knives on chains. I feel much better aligning my Christian faith with the Jews rather than the "others". Have a nice holiday : )

626 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:09am

re: #600 hazzyday

The military is like general society. People of all types in it. It seems in poor taste to question someone's service unless they make some obvious false statement like they served in Nam and didn't. Or got a purple heart and didn't.

I'm totally with ya on that. Here's a guy that's kind of cool:

Bailey Separates Heroes From Hoaxers

He goes after fake SEAL's - those who claim to be that which they are not (to paraphrase Sean Connery in The Untouchables). He's uncovered more than 8000 fakers in the last seven years according to the interview.

627 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:37am

re: #612 Dustyvet

Or Purple Hearts for self inflicted wounds...Like a certain LT for life...

That describes things nicely, in a double-entendre manner.

628 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:39am

re: #598 Russkilitlover

Now we are getting somewhere!

In the column titled "Evidence that Obama doesn't love America" we have:


1. Stopped wearing lapel flag pin.
2. Wouldn't put his hand on his heart during national anthem.
3. For 20 years attended the church of Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright.
4. Called the US Constitution flawed.
5. Repeatedly apologizes for America to foreigners.


In the column titled "Evidence that Obama does love America" we have:


1. ....anything?
629 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:46am

re: #626 subsailor68

Some of them he's uncovered multiple times

630 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:49am

re: #589 avanti

I respect Charles and will send anything he wants.


His Christmas list listed:
1. Super Hot Model.. english optional
2. A original ES335 Gibson Guitar
3. A private jet
/I know Santa...

631 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:44:59am

Well my aunt just called me to tell us what time to be at my cousins house for the Seder. And I asked if my liberal mmonbat sister would be there. Looks like I'll be eating on the front steps again.

632 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #623 Occasional Reader

When you ritually clean the house prior to pesach, do you have to use O-Seder cleaning products?

That jingle was perfect!

I also think it might be part of our anthem, O say can you Seder by the ...

633 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #527 mfarmer1


Can't we all just get along?

Youtube Video
634 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #626 subsailor68

I'm totally with ya on that. Here's a guy that's kind of cool:

Bailey Separates Heroes From Hoaxers

He goes after fake SEAL's - those who claim to be that which they are not (to paraphrase Sean Connery in The Untouchables). He's uncovered more than 8000 fakers in the last seven years according to the interview.

Wow 8000, there are a lot of BS ers around.

635 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:44am

re: #43 Adrenalyn

re: #43 Adrenalyn

ah, but Avanti
conservatives do try and reign in each other
unlike the left
or should I say the intolerant, sometimes violent, left


Bullshit.

People behave like people. They just like to pretend
their side of the game is different.

636 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #629 ConservatismNow!

Some of them he's uncovered multiple times

Really? I didn't know that. Just overlap, or intentional to inflate the numbers?

637 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #631 Nevergiveup

A friend of mine once threatened to bring a bucket of KFC to Thanksgiving.

638 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #624 Idle Drifter

Do you think the US Navy will risk a boarding to get the freed crew off ship? I'd hate to think what would happen to the Captain should the pirates get nervous.

Well in my "expert" opinion, you should ask someone else here. I am a Dentist in the USN.

639 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #608 Right mind left

I swear, I was thinking the same thing. lol lol lol

640 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:31am

re: #585 Killian Bundy

Biden to Israel: Quit yer whnin' Hillary can't hear what the honorable Mr. Ahmadinijad is saying.....

US to get chatty with Iran

641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:46:39am

re: #634 hazzyday

Wow 8000, there are a lot of BS ers around.

Yeah, my fellow Green Berets don't take kindly to them.
/

642 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:00am

re: #638 Nevergiveup

Well in my "expert" opinion, you should ask someone else here. I am a Dentist in the USN.

Well, then you know the drill.

(BTW, thank you too for your service!)

643 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:00am

re: #636 subsailor68

Really? I didn't know that. Just overlap, or intentional to inflate the numbers?

Overlap. If this is the guy I'm thinking of, he's nailed a few guys doing it multiple times. "There are no secret SEALS, only secret missions."

644 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:21am

re: #392 avanti

Like I've said that's some of the rights entire dream. They want to be the party of no, and looking forward to the day Obama screws up royally to score political points.
That's a lot of eggs in the POTUS screws up the country basket. I hope the enjoyment of seeing me potentially disappointed will out weigh the damage done to my country if you are correct.

Hmm, so the right, without any basis of action other than wanting to say no to all that the President wishes to do (massive spending increases, massive tax increases, massive expansion of the federal government, naive foreign policy initiatives, inability to recognize and address threats to stability, etc.) it is all because of political expedience in order to say the President was wrong?!

Just which group is spending all of their time playing the blame game on the previous administration? Are you so blinded and callous that you think conservatives are more interested in scoring political points than protecting what it sees as the core values of this country - liberty, individual rights and values as opposed to a focus on the state.

You are a perfect example of the left projecting their interests, concerns, and self-centered arrogance onto the right - with the justification that since you do it - the right has to as well. Furthermore, you are so cluessless as to miss the entire fallacy of your projection.

645 brookly red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:24am

re: #625 UberInfidel67

Try googeling "last supper" you may find it interesting & informative.

646 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #628 Kenneth

Now we are getting somewhere!

In the column titled "Evidence that Obama doesn't love America" we have:

Um... he owns an iPod?

647 KenJen  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:35am

re: #609 Dianna

I generally agree, but people have been questioning avanti's service, and I'd like that particular issue done away with.

Perhaps avanti was given a dishonorable discharge. Might explain his attitude. Who knows.

648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:43am

re: #643 ConservatismNow!

Overlap. If this is the guy I'm thinking of, he's nailed a few guys doing it multiple times. "There are no secret SEALS, only secret missions."

Secret until the SEALS leak, that is.

649 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:47:46am

re: #643 ConservatismNow!

Overlap. If this is the guy I'm thinking of, he's nailed a few guys doing it multiple times. "There are no secret SEALS, only secret missions."

Ah gotcha! Thanks - and I believe that is the guy you're thinking of.

650 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:05am

Ah ... just a drive by ... nothing like the smell of a good pissing contest in the morning.

/

651 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #585 Killian Bundy

Don't you think this could be the 'crisis' he talked about during the campaign?

652 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:08am

re: #642 subsailor68

Well, then you know the drill.

(BTW, thank you too for your service!)

I'm loving it so far.

653 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #575 Occasional Reader

He loves that America put him in the White House. Does that count?

He loves all those rich people he's gonna' get to fleece.

654 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:47am

re: #627 jwb7605

That describes things nicely, in a double-entendre manner.

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yeah, my fellow Green Berets don't take kindly to them.
/

September 21, 2007
NORTHWEST CRACKDOWN ON FAKE VETERANS IN “OPERATION STOLEN VALOR”
Phony Vets Scam more than $1.4 Million and Damage Image of Honorable Veterans

U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan today announced some of the results of “Operation Stolen Valor,” a year long effort to investigate and prosecute those who lie about their military service for financial gain or other reasons. Sullivan and Doug Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the Veteran’s Affairs Office of Inspector General detailed eight prosecutions in the Veteran’s Affairs Northwest Region in 2007.

“As a Vietnam Veteran, and the father of a decorated Army officer currently serving, I feel very keenly the damage done by Jesse Macbeth and these other fakes,” said Jeff Sullivan, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington. “Macbeth’s lies fueled hostility to our servicemen in Iraq and here at home. Those who falsely claim medals for heroism, cheapen the recognition of our true war heroes.”

“The ‘phony war hero phenomenon’ plagues the American landscape and tarnishes the service of thousands of veterans who have served honorably. It strangles VA resources from providing critical care and benefits to deserving veterans returning from war,” said Douglas J. Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the VA Office of Inspector General, Western Field Office. “It all boils downs to this: these phonies submit claims to the VA for compensation and medical benefits they are not entitled to, and it takes away valuable resources from those who are entitled.”

655 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:48:56am

re: #580 Killgore Trout

...and watch the video clip. Tea Party protesters were threatening reporters to the point that the reporters felt they were in danger and left the protest early.

The Tea Party folks proudly link to this video to demonstrate how great the Tea Parties are.
They have all lost their fucking minds. It's a lunatic movement.

656 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:17am

re: #617 LudwigVanQuixote

Closely related. The Last Supper was a Seder.

And the Catholic Mass is a reenactment of the Last Supper, Seder,.

657 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:30am
658 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #625 UberInfidel67

Wow. You guys really put a lot of work into your religion. Contrast that with the "other" religion whose rituals require slicing of throats and beating themselves with sharp knives on chains. I feel much better aligning my Christian faith with the Jews rather than the "others". Have a nice holiday : )

I've been watching a bit of the History Channel lately (now that they got off the 2012 doomsday kick) -- especially the 'Biblical Battles' series, and I would like to know what's in all the 'unpublished' chapters (books) that a lot of the historians comment on. Apparently there are a lot of them. (Christianity also has 'unpublished' books, as well).

I get the impression that the additional detail might cause most of us to look at things from other perspectives.

659 republic  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #640 Russkilitlover

Biden to Israel: Quit yer whnin' Hillary can't hear what the honorable Mr. Ahmadinijad is saying.....

US to get chatty with Iran

Neville Chamberlain

660 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #631 Nevergiveup

Well my aunt just called me to tell us what time to be at my cousins house for the Seder. And I asked if my liberal mmonbat sister would be there. Looks like I'll be eating on the front steps again.

try to ignore her.
i hope you have a happy passover

661 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #602 Erik The Red

Avanti, don't hold your breath. Suck it up. You dump enough shit here and never back it up.

Honestly, how would you respond to someone suggesting you were ashamed of serving your country ? I know my politics is not popular here, but G#d damn it, we're all Americans last I heard. If I ever insulted anyone on here like that, call my ass and I'll apologize.

662 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:16am

re: #654 Dustyvet

*Jesse Macbeth, 23, Tacoma, Washington, sentenced today in connection with his fraudulent claims of military service. Macbeth sought medical benefits claiming to suffer from PTSD related to service in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact, Macbeth was discharged from the Army about a month after he joined. Macbeth never traveled outside the U.S. with the Army. Macbeth duped reporters, claiming to be a decorated Army Ranger who had witnessed war crimes.

*Reggie Buddle, 60, Puyallup, Washington, sentenced July 30, 2007, for Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Buddle posed as a decorated Marine Corps Chaplin presiding over weddings, funerals and baptisms. Buddle was sentenced to 500 hours of community service and two years of probation.

*Larry Lewis Porter, 52, Seattle, Washington, sentenced April 19, 2007, for Mail Fraud in connection with a scheme to fraudulently obtain disability benefits from Veterans Affairs. Porter was sentenced to 37 months in prison. Porter claimed he suffered PTSD from experiences in the Navy, however investigation revealed the events were fabricated. Loss Amount: $134,000

*Roy J. Scott, 71, of Port Angeles, Washington pleaded guilty August 31, 2007, to Use of an Altered Military Discharge Certificate to obtain VA Compensation and Medical Benefits, and Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Scott claimed he had served in the Marine Corps in Korea, that he was wounded in combat in Korea, and that he had been awarded the Korea Defense Medal, Korea Star Medal, and a Purple Heart (due to alleged gun shot wounds sustained during combat in Korea). Scott claimed to be honorably discharged, when in fact, he never earned those medals, never served in Korea or any foreign country and was Court-Martialed out of the Marine Corps. Loss Amount: $21,960.

*Merrick K. Hersey, 64, of Vancouver, Washington, Hersey was indicted August 1, 2007, for Use and Possession of Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Statements. Hersey is a fugitive and is being sought by law enforcement. Hersey applied for benefits claiming he served in 1967-68, was awarded two Purple Hearts (for wounds sustained in active combat) and the Bronze Star (awarded for heroism). Hersey claimed he suffered from PTSD and sought benefits. In fact, Hersey never served in the Marine Corps at all. Loss Amount: $2,688.

*Michael D. Heit, 58, of Harrington, Washington, pleaded guilty yesterday (September 20, 2007) in U.S. District Court in Spokane, Washington to Use and Possession of a Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Claims of Military Medals. Heit claimed he was a Vietnam vet who was held as a prisoner of war. He claimed to have been awarded three Purple Heart medals and the Silver Star. None of that is true. Loss Amount: $3,500

*Elvin J. Swisher, 70, of Idaho, is charged with Wearing Unauthorized Military Medals, False Statements, and Theft of Government Funds. Swisher falsely claimed he was wounded in Korea and that he had been awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart and other medals for valor. Loss Amount: $95,000.

*Carlos Riosvalle, 83, of Portland, Oregon, was sentenced April 9, 2007, in Multnomah County for multiple counts of Theft by Deception. Riosvalle collected benefits claiming to have been “shot down while a pilot in World War II.” In fact Riosvalle never served in the armed forces. Loss Amount: $22,818.

663 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #585 Killian Bundy

Biden warns Israel off any attack on Iran


So now the U.S. government is publicly running interference on behalf of protecting Iran?

/just in case you still had any illusions as to who's side the Obama administration is on

Israel held off from response to Scud attacks from Iraq during the first Gulf War, at U.S. request.

Just sayin'.

664 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #633 freetoken

How did that song become so popular?

665 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:47am

re: #645 brookly red Will do. I only know what I was taught. I guess there would be more to it. : )

666 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #630 HoosierHoops


2. A original ES335 Gibson Guitar

Michelle Obama Presents Carla Bruni-Sarkozy with a Gibson Acoustic Guitar

Now that was a thoughtful gift. Really. Carla is a successful musician and would appreciate such a classic fine American guitar. Credit where credit is due.

Youtube Video
667 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #660 nyc redneck

try to ignore her.
i hope you have a happy passover

You to

668 MPH  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #424 Thanos

argg. I always get that wrong.

pronounced kay-da -- silent j.

669 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #36 MandyManners

Why don't you shut the fuck up? You've already compared us to Beck here today.

You should really change your nickname. It's
a poor fit.

For as much as this Avanti guy seems to agitate
everyone with his opinion, I've yet to see him
attack anyone with profanity, or otherwise.

Nah....I'll just shut the fuck up, and save you the typing.

670 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #654 Dustyvet
That's wrong on every level; and some that do not exist!
I signed up in 1978 and before induction....Got hit by a car on my motorcycle.............4F for life!
Biggest disapointment in mylife!

671 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #638 Nevergiveup

Well in my "expert" opinion, you should ask someone else here. I am a Dentist in the USN.

Holy crap!
The mere thought of a Dentist in the USN would either cause me to surrender immediately or kill myself before it was too late!

(I have no wisdom teeth, courtesy USN dentists ...)

672 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:15am

well, chag sameach everyone.

My 4 year old has promised that she'll sing ma nishtana tonite. Last year she could do 'em but got all shy after the first one. But THIS YEAR she's pledged that she'll sing'em loud.

bye now

673 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:21am

re: #647 KenJen

Perhaps avanti was given a dishonorable discharge. Might explain his attitude. Who knows.

Fuck you and the horse you road in on.

674 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:26am

re: #656 opnion

And the Catholic Mass is a reenactment of the Last Supper, Seder,.

A Catholic friend told me that Communion wafers are made from unleavened flour and water. They are in essence, Matzoh.

675 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:44am

re: #609 Dianna

Frankly, I don't think sending anything to Charles would "settle" anything (the doubters could then exclaim: "Well, obviously, it's a forgery." what the doubters have also been expressing here is what Avanti feels in his heart -- and, sometimes, this becomes "mind reading" or would-be mind reading...) I think it's perfectly fine to have disagreements (differences of opinions, etc.) but any abusive personal attacks are not called for.

676 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #628 Kenneth

Now we are getting somewhere!

In the column titled "Evidence that Obama doesn't love America" we have:

Waffles

Lavish parties on someone else's tab

Air Force One (or the helicopter, did he name it fluffy?)

NCAA playoff bets

...

677 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #655 Killgore Trout

OMG, check the other videos. There's footage of the preotesters harassing the press chanting "Liberal media" and "get out of here". Disgraceful.

678 Kot Begemot  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:37am

re: #581 Occasional Reader

My God, it's worse than I thought!

I also have it on good authority that when he starred in school plays, he was a flamboyantly out-of-the-closet thespian.

That's nothing. Reputable sources say they saw Charles Johnson shamelessly exposing his epidermis to small children on a public street. I know the guy lives in California, but jeeze.

679 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:53:48am

re: #674 LudwigVanQuixote

A Catholic friend told me that Communion wafers are made from unleavened flour and water. They are in essence, Matzoh.

Your friend is exactly right.

680 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:03am

re: #673 avanti

Fuck you and the horse you road in on.

Avanti, you and I don't agree on much of anything politically, but I believe you served, served honorably, and I do thank you for it.

681 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:19am

re: #631 Nevergiveup

Well my aunt just called me to tell us what time to be at my cousins house for the Seder. And I asked if my liberal mmonbat sister would be there. Looks like I'll be eating on the front steps again.

I hear you... But, if I may respectfully suggest, Shalom Bayes is more important than politics. Sometimes we just have to smile....

682 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:20am

Just me, I guess.
Oh, well.

683 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:21am

In the column titled "Evidence that Obama doesn't should love America" we have:

re: #676 Right mind left

Waffles

Lavish parties on someone else's tab

Air Force One (or the helicopter, did he name it fluffy?)

NCAA playoff bets

...


fixed!

684 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:22am

re: #595 UberInfidel67

Like "our" Easter Sunday dinner kinda sorta?

Less ham, more liturgy, more cleaning beforehand (I swear!) But basically, yes.

685 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #657 buzzsawmonkey
You are more than welcome : ) Also, I like the idea of the Coke too. I hate HFCS...it makes me fat.

686 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #681 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear you... But, if I may respectfully suggest, Shalom Bayes is more important than politics. Sometimes we just have to smile....

Ya don't know my sister. But I'll try.

687 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #647 KenJen

Actually, I don't think that's the case.

I'm just tired of the accusation. I never served, don't pretend I did, but my father was a Marine, and my Male's ex-Navy. I don't pretend to have a lot of knowledge about the military, but I do know that it's out of bounds to keep questioning Avanti's service because we don't like him.

I don't like him - I dislike the way he turns everything into being about him, and his refusal to leave an argument on the thread it happened on. But I'm profoundly tired of this particular insult, and I'd like it to go away. The only way I see to settle this is what Avanti suggested, because the only person whose word we all trust is Charles.

I also think it's an insane waste of Charles' time, but this petty nonsense is worse.

688 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:37am

re: #563 LudwigVanQuixote

That was beautiful, well written and spot on.
Have a wonderful Pesach.

689 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:55:51am

re: #648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Secret until the SEALS leak, that is.

Or until some member of a SEAL team makes a surrealistic Scandanavian movie about the mission. It's usually the seventh SEAL who does that.

690 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:00am

re: #658 jwb7605
Go here:
[Link: www.sacred-texts.com...]

691 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:19am

re: #638 Nevergiveup

Well in my "expert" opinion, you should ask someone else here. I am a Dentist in the USN.


Really.
Had all four of my wisdom teeth pulled by a Captain while I was stationed at MCAS Yuma, AZ back in July 2000. He said he worked on the Clinton's teeth while they were in office. I took his word for it.

692 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #666 Kenneth

Yep, that's a good one. No flies on that gift.

693 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:08am

re: #631 Nevergiveup

I feel for you. I'm not Jewish but my wife is, and we're going to her friend's house for Seder. I already have a bad reputation with them for being an evil right wing conservative, but at least they won't make me eat outside. Though they might if I show up wearing my Obama "Dope" t-shirt. Or if I congratulate Israel on the election of Netenyahu as PM. Hee, hee, hee (official evil conservative laugh).

I guess I'll just have to make an effort and keep my mouth shut. My wife is so much better at being diplomatic than I am. She really is my better half.

694 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:25am

re: #637 Dianna

A friend of mine once threatened to bring a bucket of KFC to Thanksgiving.

YOu can now buy an entire Thanksgiving dinner from KFC. You can also get a kosher turducken, although not from KFC.

695 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:26am

re: #666 Kenneth

Michelle Obama Presents Carla Bruni-Sarkozy with a Gibson Acoustic Guitar

Now that was a thoughtful gift. Really. Carla is a successful musician and would appreciate such a classic fine American guitar. Credit where credit is due.

Yes it was and certainly better then the barbells I thought she would give her so she could keep her upper arms toned.....
/

696 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #689 Occasional Reader

Or until some member of a SEAL team makes a surrealistic Scandanavian movie about the mission. It's usually the seventh SEAL who does that.

Giant upding for an obscure Ingmar Bergman reference!

;-)

697 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:32am
698 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #671 jwb7605

Holy crap!
The mere thought of a Dentist in the USN would either cause me to surrender immediately or kill myself before it was too late!

(I have no wisdom teeth, courtesy USN dentists ...)

That's odd, all my wisdom teeth were yanked out in the military also. Coincidence?

699 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:04am
700 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #680 subsailor68

Avanti, you and I don't agree on much of anything politically, but I believe you served, served honorably, and I do thank you for it.

Thanks for that, you can always count on a submariner.

701 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #680 subsailor68

Avanti, you and I don't agree on much of anything politically, but I believe you served, served honorably, and I do thank you for it.

I'll second that.......

702 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #680 subsailor68

Avanti, you and I don't agree on much of anything politically, but I believe you served, served honorably, and I do thank you for it.

Second that.

703 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:16am

re: #677 Killgore Trout

OMG, check the other videos. There's footage of the preotesters harassing the press chanting "Liberal media" and "get out of here". Disgraceful.

KT, easy! You're upsetting yourself, take a breath.

704 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:17am

re: #657 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you.

To be fair, I know plenty of Jews who slough the cleaning somewhat--on the other hand, I know some who really go the distance, scrubbing the house from top to bottom, new toothbrushes and kosher-for-Passover toothpaste, the works.

BTW, those Lizards who regret Coca-Cola with corn syrup may want to check their local supermarkets for kosher-for-Passover Coke (yellow cap, and marked as such), since k-for-P Coke is sweetened with actual cane sugar, the way it used to be.

I know people who do their corners with special for Pesach toothbrushes. I know people who make their own wine and Matzoh for the holiday. For some people the only reason the cleaning ends is because the holiday itself rolls in.

705 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #682 Killgore Trout

Just me, I guess.
Oh, well.

Not just you. I've been watching this develop and I'm just as disgusted as you are, and disappointed with Glenn Reynolds for promoting bogus victimhood claims.

It's just part of the bad craziness that's everywhere these days.

706 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #696 subsailor68

Giant upding for an obscure Ingmar Bergman reference!

;-)

Oh now that was deep...:) Turning on sonar...:)

707 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #682 Killgore Trout

Just me, I guess.
Oh, well.

Killgore, I really don't give a flying fig one way or another about the "Tea Parties", myself. It's a phenomenon with which I have zero involvement.

708 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:32am

re: #700 avanti

Thanks for that, you can always count on a submariner.

Well, at least until happy hour.

;-)

709 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #686 Nevergiveup

Ya don't know my sister. But I'll try.

That is all that anyone can ask.

710 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:59:51am

re: #691 Idle Drifter

Really.
Had all four of my wisdom teeth pulled by a Captain while I was stationed at MCAS Yuma, AZ back in July 2000. He said he worked on the Clinton's teeth while they were in office. I took his word for it.

I guess he was stationed at Bethesda?

711 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:00:33pm

re: #698 hazzyday

That's odd, all my wisdom teeth were yanked out in the military also. Coincidence?

When in doubt rip em out!

712 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:00:35pm

re: #708 subsailor68

Well, at least until happy hour.

;-)

Happy Hour on a sub....way cools...:)

713 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #694 SanFranciscoZionist

You can also get a kosher turducken

Just that phrase makes me chuckle.

You kind of feel like that's getting God on a technicality, ya know? "Hey, it doesn't say that we CAN'T stuff one bird inside of another inside of another, and eat it!"

714 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:01:50pm

re: #677 Killgore Trout

The question will be raised, of course, as to who are the actual provocateurs ... If it gets any coverage, look for the right wing machine et. al. to blame left wing plants.

715 Dianna  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:01:58pm

re: #694 SanFranciscoZionist

He was making a point to his family about fighting.

716 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #624 Idle Drifter

Do you think the US Navy will risk a boarding to get the freed crew off ship? I'd hate to think what would happen to the Captain should the pirates get nervous.

Larger picture and cold hard reality.

We have to board the ship. If we don't the piracy will continue. We also have to pound the pirate base at Puntland.

How many ships have the nabbed and the pirates have gotten something? Certainly not a reprisal!

If we do not respond, and rock the pirates world to it's foundations there will be another crew and another captain, and another, and another.

Whether BHO will do what must be done is another matter.

717 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #712 Dustyvet

Happy Hour on a sub....way cools...:)

Unfortunately, the still the machinist mates built didn't exactly put out Famous Grouse, but ya gets what ya gets.

:-)

(Hic!)

718 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:34pm

re: #699 Iron Fist

You have a right to an opinion, most certainly.

I have said numerous times, I don't expect the group agree, just not be so disagreeable. The name calling I can deal with, but question my service or love of country and I have a issue.

719 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

The Communion wafers I have seen are a smooth, waxy white. Matzoh is a sort of medium brown, with a number of little "scabs" on it from the rolling pin used on it, which is spiked to ensure that the matzoh cooks thoroughly in 18 minutes and so will not be leavened.

I have often wondered whether the scabby, stigmata-ish appearance of matzoh, in contrast with the Communion wafer, is the source of the medieval Host-desecration and blood libels.

Wow, I never thought of that.... That is a very possible idea. I always thought that it was a natural extension of the notion that the matzoh and wine, at the Last Supper, for Christians became the blood and the body - and that they took the idea a bit more literally and sinisterly in the case of the Jews. I don't know though.

720 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:49pm

Gosh, I actually found a quote from the election campaign:

"Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country. I love America, so do you, and so does John McCain. When I look out at this audience, I see people of different political views. You are Democrats and Republicans and Independents. But you all served together, and fought together, and bled together under the same proud flag. You did not serve a Red America or a Blue America – you served the United States of America," Obama said.

Now, hand's up those who believe he actually meant it?

721 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:02:54pm

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

Matzoh is a sort of medium brown, with a number of little "scabs" on it from the rolling pin used on it, which is spiked

"Kinky."

-Hedley LaMarr

722 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:03:30pm

re: #688 Wishing

That was beautiful, well written and spot on.
Have a wonderful Pesach.

Thank you!

723 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:03:43pm

re: #511 shortshrift

Sir,

Hitler had style. Mussolini had style. Style plays to the masses and panders to the lowest common denominator. Many can read Ann Coulter and see how she uses hyperbole as a device. Alas, many other cannot and take her--and others who employ the same technique --all too seriously.

This is a period of going back and re-learning for the GOP. People like Spencer, Geller and Coulter, all who should know better but who give history short shrift, do the party and the cause a disservice. They play to the emotions and passions of the disaffected electorate. This is demagoguery and it is an evil that has existed through all of recorded history. We can only go forward by coolly and calmly reflecting on our past.

Mr. Johnson, though he is sometimes given to invective, has used this site as a platform to educate and alert many to growing problems within the Conservative movement. Issues, if left unchecked, threaten not only to undo any forward progress we have made, but to knock the party off the proverbial rails. The invective to which our august moderator has been given is along the lines of incredulity; not really believing how otherwise intelligent people can allow themselves to be swayed to support beliefs which defies logic and reason, i.e.; Creationism, support of overt fascist movements merely because they are anti-Muslim, etc..

Conversely, the invective hurled on Mr. Johnson has been, ironically, that he is a Nazi, Muslim-sympathizer, etc. merely because he has called attention to these problems and demanded accountability from those who support such positions. Generally, when you go past the substance of the argument and make ad hominen attacks, it is a sign that you have little substance to support your argument in the first place. As such, given the level and tone of the attacks, it is doubtful that Ms. Geller et al has much to offer other than "attack the messenger".

With that, I respectfully disagree with you posit that this is a tempest in a teapot over a trivial issue of "style".

724 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:04:07pm

re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote

It's the big meal for Passover. There is a service that accompanies the meal.

Or, it is the service, where the story of the Exodus is retold, and we are supposed to feel like we are being freed ourselves, by waiting through what seems to be 40 years of a service before we get to the promised meal.

I'll be going to a Chabad, which had to get a tent this year because it outgrew the rabbi's dining room, and his do run long.

725 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:04:35pm

re: #668 MPH

pronounced kay-da -- silent j.

Not silent, that's the "y" sound. As in "ja, sure, you betcha", and "Johann Sebastian Bach".

726 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:04:44pm
727 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:05:27pm
728 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #720 Kenneth

Kenneth, Kenneth, Kenneth, what do you think I am? A mind reader? We can only judge by words and deeds...anything else is a mug's game.

729 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:07:20pm

re: #654 Dustyvet

And some like this ...

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Ex-airman says he wrongly took $1.5M from VA
The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Apr 7, 2009 13:14:15 EDT
SPOKANE, Wash. — A former Idaho sheriff’s deputy who falsely claimed he was paraplegic has pleaded guilty in a $1.5 million disability fraud case that U.S. attorneys say could be the largest in Veterans Affairs Department history.

James M. Sebero, 59, of Laclede, Idaho, accepted an agreement with government lawyers and pleaded guilty Monday in U.S. District Court to wire fraud and making a false statement. He also agreed to forfeit personal assets and to pay $950,000 in restitution.

...

He came under scrutiny after authorities accused him of operating the aircraft-maintenance business without FAA certification.

Investigators used a hidden video camera to record Sebero’s visit to a doctor for a physical examination on Sept. 26, 2007, at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Spokane, his first since 1978, according to documents filed in court. In that visit, he was in a wheelchair and told the doctor he had been unable to work or walk since he left the Air Force.

The next day, investigators watched him walk into court without assistance to face charges in an unrelated federal false-statements case. He was arrested after that court appearance.

730 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #729 Bobibutu

New address:
Leavenworth.
Position:
Little rock maker.

731 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:08:57pm

re: #685 UberInfidel67

You are more than welcome : ) Also, I like the idea of the Coke too. I hate HFCS...it makes me fat.

But according to the ads I saw, it's made out of corn! And is chemically the same as sugar! And is fine if used in moderation!

Of course, the ads were by the National Council of Corn Syrup manufacturers, so....

732 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:09:03pm

re: #718 avanti

I have said numerous times, I don't expect the group agree, just not be so disagreeable. The name calling I can deal with, but question my service or love of country and I have a issue.

I can respect that.

733 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:09:18pm

re: #728 J.S.

Words can be misleading too. Deeds are more revealing.

734 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:09:22pm

re: #710 Nevergiveup

I guess he was stationed at Bethesda?

I don't know, he may have told me and I just forgot it. Most I remember are bits of conversation and my mouth numb and full of dentist tools. I do remember him mentioning being stationed in Yuma, AZ just so he could cruise to retirement and practice dentistry without the command billet. Nice guy, I'm sure he's now retired somewhere in Arizona.

735 Land Shark  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #701 LGoPs

And I'll third it. Unless you have some real evidence about Avanti's service, it's wrong to go there. As a USAF veteran, that's serious shit to me. Disagree with the guy (Lord knows I do), OK, but don't question his service to our country unless you have facts.

736 querent  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:11:12pm

funny -- the reason i'm a lizard is because Charles DOESN'T believe in holding his scaly snout and sharing the trench with the goose-stepping types... some people have really fallen for that Egyptian riverfront property scam...

737 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #724 Kosh's Shadow

Or, it is the service, where the story of the Exodus is retold, and we are supposed to feel like we are being freed ourselves, by waiting through what seems to be 40 years of a service before we get to the promised meal.

I'll be going to a Chabad, which had to get a tent this year because it outgrew the rabbi's dining room, and his do run long.

I love Chabadnicks. All they want to do is give you Kosher food and make you feel welcome and part of something as a Jew.

738 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:11:37pm

re: #727 buzzsawmonkey

I think that it is possible that the concept of transubstantiation and the contrasting appearances worked together in tandem.

I had that thought too as I was writing that.

739 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #735 Land Shark

And I'll third it. Unless you have some real evidence about Avanti's service, it's wrong to go there. As a USAF veteran, that's serious shit to me. Disagree with the guy (Lord knows I do), OK, but don't question his service to our country unless you have facts.

Fourth!

740 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:13:21pm

re: #655 Killgore Trout

...and watch the video clip. Tea Party protesters were threatening reporters to the point that the reporters felt they were in danger and left the protest early.

The Tea Party folks proudly link to this video to demonstrate how great the Tea Parties are.
They have all lost their fucking minds. It's a lunatic movement.

Even more so considering the uphill battle faced when dealing with a press known to be predisposed to make you look bad. Here, the TP people are doing all the heavy lifting for them. The press doesn't even have to exert themselves on spin; they get to phone it in verbatim.

I see there's no mention of all this on Malkin's sight, one of the main agitators that goaded participants into this very sort of behavior.

741 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #718 avanti

I have said numerous times, I don't expect the group agree, just not be so disagreeable. The name calling I can deal with, but question my service or love of country and I have a issue.

Agreed. We all love our country. It's juts that many have an ideal that they would like to see implemented that could irrevocably alter the country. We each see problems we would love to solve--but from different angles. This is why we clash sometimes.

742 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:13:40pm

re: #729 Bobibutu

This site has some pretty interesting (cheeky) cases, showing that the problem is not confined to the USA.
Australia and New Zealand Military Impostors

Here's a sample, a real hero. /
Rambo...Australia Style

743 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:13:44pm
744 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:13:58pm

re: #656 opnion

And the Catholic Mass is a reenactment of the Last Supper, Seder,.

No, it isn't.
There are lines from that night used in Mass, but it is FAR from a re enactment of the Seder.

745 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:14:14pm

re: #733 Kenneth

I think what one says can be contrasted with how one behaves...and, if there's some discrepancy, the difference can be pointed out, which would then cause doubt about the sincerity of certain statements...(or one could point out countradictory statements -- at one time X was said, next thing, the exact opposite is stated. Or, as another example, campaign Obama stated: "America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian genocide.." So, was there a mention of the Armenian genocide during President Obama's recent trip to Turkey? answer, not that I'm aware of...)

746 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:14:43pm

re: #741 calcajun

This is why we clash sometimes.

Ya think :)

747 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #264 avanti

Do you really think that the O loves his country? If so, what makes you think that?

While I don't see any overt steps to throw away a great nation, I also do not see any steps being taken to actually do good things for our nation.

His ego will get in his way. For him to make the awful statement that "we are not a Christian nation" is just plain wrong. He thinks that the people of our country just consider themselves "citizens". Every time I hear him talk he always uses the word "we" when he apologizes for the country is was elected to lead. I am not sure just who the "we" is. Our country was founded on Christian principles and all the documents from our beginning indicate that ideal. He certainly can do harm to our country. That is why we all need to pay attention.

748 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #742 JHW

This site has some pretty interesting (cheeky) cases, showing that the problem is not confined to the USA.
Australia and New Zealand Military Impostors

Here's a sample, a real hero. /
Rambo...Australia Style

Stepped on a 500lb bomb booby trap and lived to tell the tale. Now that's a story I'd like to hear about!


/S

749 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:18:44pm

re: #737 LudwigVanQuixote

I love Chabadnicks. All they want to do is give you Kosher food and make you feel welcome and part of something as a Jew.

And they encourage more observance but don't put people down if they don't.
I've started wearing tefillin and tzitzit since I've been going.

And the ones I go to tend to be fairly right, not full of leftists.

750 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:19:32pm

re: #516 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Don't forget that the esteemed (not) Mr. Rush was a black panther back in the day. They were a wonderful social group! ///

How in the hell people like him get elected is beyond me.

751 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #716 jcm

Larger picture and cold hard reality.

We have to board the ship. If we don't the piracy will continue. We also have to pound the pirate base at Puntland.

How many ships have the nabbed and the pirates have gotten something? Certainly not a reprisal!

If we do not respond, and rock the pirates world to it's foundations there will be another crew and another captain, and another, and another.

Whether BHO will do what must be done is another matter.

It doesn't have to play out that way. We know for a fact that the pirates want money, not violence, and in the past no one has been harmed; money changes hands, hostages returned, problem solved - until the next time.

A round of negotiations to free the captain, even accompanied by a moderate payment, ensures that the captain gets out in one piece.

Then, the Navy hammers the pirate's homes, offices, warehouses and boats into smoking holes in the ground, and ocean. We know where all of this stuff is based on past experience.

Follow this up with a light blockade of the Somali coast, stopping every craft entering or leaving for a few hours no matter what their business, with confiscation of even the smallest weapons or contraband found, and the pirates will move on to greener pastures.

You're absolutely correct that aggressive enforcement is warranted. They're doing this because it's profitable and easy. Make it even a little bit hard, and they'll find something else to do.

752 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:21:06pm

re: #748 Dustyvet

Yeah, for sure, and this guy isn't even as imaginative as some of the others. These guys usually out themselves with their over the top outrageous stories. They're always Green Berets or SEALs or Airborne or some other elite unit, they never claim to be ex-cooks or typists.

753 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #747 HippieforLife

Do you really think that the O loves his country? If so, what makes you think that?

I do, but neither of us can see his heart. If he did hate his country, he'll screw up enough to be impeached if he acts on it. Our forefathers were smart enough to limit the power of the POTUS.

754 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:22:19pm

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, for those who are going to a Seder tonight:

Recall that there is practically no mention of Moses in the re-telling of the Exodus story; indeed, the Haggadah specifically mentions that "G-d and not an angel, G-d and not a messenger, took us out of Egypt."

There is a very specific reason for this. Even though the Second Revolt against the Romans is recalled in the Haggadah with the mention of the rabbis discussing the Exodus at B'nei Barak, that also recalls, tangentially, that Bar Kochba, leader of the Second Revolt, was hailed as the Messiah by a number of the rabbis of his day, including Rabbi Akiva who is specifically mentioned.

The emphasis is placed upon "G-d and not a messenger" because the Haggadah is meant to look forward to the coming of the real Moshiach, and to turn the eyes of the celebrants away from the false messiahs, such as Bar Kochba, or, later, Shabbtai Zvi.

It is the Second Revolt that was the real disaster for the Jews. Even though the Temple was destroyed at the end of the First Revolt, it was after Bar Kochba's defeat that the Romans exiled the Jews, changed the name of Jerusalem to Aeolia Capitolina and forbade Jews to set foot in it, and, in an act of ethnic cleansing, changed the name of Judea to "Palestine." It is from the defeat of the Second Revolt that we get the name "Palestine," which still haunts us today.

The conclusion of the Seder, "Next Year in Jerusalem!" is simultaneously a yearning for the coming of the Messiah, and the heartfelt cry of a defeated and exiled people that they have their own capital back, under its right name, in the year to come.

That was well written. One of the interesting things about the word "Palestine" is that the Romans took the name from Philistine. It was a deliberate attempt to demoralize the Jews by renaming their homeland after their ancient foe. Modern day "Palestinians" are Arabs, who have so tenuous an historical claim to the land, that they take their name from ancient Roman propaganda aimed at the real owners.

Also, if you happen to be in Jerusalem for seder, you end it by saying "Next Year in someone else's house!"

755 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:22:32pm

re: #745 J.S.

I agree. Whatever somebody says or does, you have to look & listen to how they say or do it. And watch over time. Then you can discern whether they are telling the truth or lying.

When watching the video of Obama saying "I love America" his affect was flat and robotic, as it was through much of the speech, his head turning left and right as he read his faithful teleprompter. I got no sense that he meant it, nor on the other hand, any sense that he was lying. In fact, I got no sense of any emotional commitment to what he was saying at all.

So much of his speeches are like that. A stern, mildly hectoring tone, almost as if he's bored with it. Dull eyes, flat affect, and a steady rhythmic cadence. The alleged Obama eloquence is utterly lost on me.

756 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:23:05pm

re: #747 HippieforLife

For him to make the awful statement that "we are not a Christian nation" is just plain wrong.

Something tells me you are not one to enjoy the evolution threads much...

757 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:23:23pm

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, for those who are going to a Seder tonight:

Recall that there is practically no mention of Moses in the re-telling of the Exodus story; indeed, the Haggadah specifically mentions that "G-d and not an angel, G-d and not a messenger, took us out of Egypt."

Isn't that why Moses died before he got to The Promised Land? He claimed that he led the Israelites out of Egypt, and failed to give credit to God?

758 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:25:19pm

re: #754 LudwigVanQuixote

The Philistines were a Greek people who disappeared centuries before the Arabs showed up in 630AD. The Arabs never used the term "Palestinians unit the mid 20th century.

I know you know this, but it always needs repeating for effect.

759 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #562 LGoPs

Where is Charles going? Not asking for specifics or anything but I missed previous references. Is he staying in California?

denver

760 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #749 Kosh's Shadow

And they encourage more observance but don't put people down if they don't.
I've started wearing tefillin and tzitzit since I've been going.

And the ones I go to tend to be fairly right, not full of leftists.

That is all true. They certainly want people to be more connected with their heritage. I am a big fan of Kiruv movements. If someone knows the Tradition and says "that is not for me" that is one thing.

On the other hand, many, many Western Jews have no idea what the actual Heritage is. They were simply never taught it. I do not mean to say they know nothing of it at all, though for some that is the case, but they have never read the great works, learned Hebrew, read the Torah and Nach through, let alone seen Talmud. Many can not even clearly say what all of the holidays are for.

Many have no idea what the rituals represent.

I find this to be a terrible shame. I would love it if more American Jews could make a real choice about who they are and what the tradition is, rather than going on pre-conceived notions that it is not for them, or backwards, or any of the other things that people assume.

761 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:29:28pm

re: #758 Kenneth

The Philistines were a Greek people who disappeared centuries before the Arabs showed up in 630AD. The Arabs never used the term "Palestinians unit the mid 20th century.

I know you know this, but it always needs repeating for effect.

Rock on your bad self! I agree. It does need repeating.

762 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:31:42pm
763 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:31:48pm

Kinda curious what this French news/ documentary story says if there are any lizards out there who can translate.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

764 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:33:26pm

re: #747 HippieforLife

For him to make the awful statement that "we are not a Christian nation" is just plain wrong. He thinks that the people of our country just consider themselves "citizens". Every time I hear him talk he always uses the word "we" when he apologizes for the country is was elected to lead. I am not sure just who the "we" is. Our country was founded on Christian principles and all the documents from our beginning indicate that ideal. He certainly can do harm to our country. That is why we all need to pay attention.

Apparently, you only heard the part you wanted to hear. This is the full statement Obama made:

"One of the great strengths of the United States," the President said, "is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

And he is absolutely right. The US is a secular nation, and the Constitution was written with this in mind. The very first amendment to the US Constitution states it very clearly:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

I'm not a fan of Barack Obama, but on this he was exactly correct. The US is NOT a "Christian nation."

765 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:33:55pm

re: #753 avanti

I do, but neither of us can see his heart. If he did hate his country, he'll screw up enough to be impeached if he acts on it. Our forefathers were smart enough to limit the power of the POTUS.

Jimmy Carter screwed up massively early in his Presidency - didn't get impeached, refused to learn from those mistakes because he couldn't admit or see them as mistakes given his agenda and despite be soundly trounced in his re-election effort still continues and advocates the same disasterous and naive approaches. There was no impeachment or thought of impeachment at the time. Bad policy and massive mistakes don't equal 'high crimes and misdemeanors'.

It's true that we can't see into his heart or how he really feels. We can only judge that on the basis of his actions and those he associates with - Ayers, Pfleger, Wright in addition to his own admission of seeking out radicals (black nationalists) for 'street cred' - or the actions of his wife 'proud for the first time in my life of the country' - or his actions and words during his trip to Europe which was full of 'blame America / blame Bush' for problems and lack of popularity.

One can differ in policy and vision and can do so without running down the country or marginalizing the former leaders. I didn't see or hear Merkel bashing Schroeder, Sarkozy bashing Chirac, Brown bashing Blair in their efforts to promote their interests and agendas - so why does our President feel obligated to advance his position by diminishing Bush and the country?

Again - this argument of yours is based on projection the left behavior on the rest - a justification for that behavior in the false assumption that everyone must do it.

Frankly, the expanison of the state that the President is implementing is 100% opposite of everything that Founding Fathers stood for - or the Constitution stands for. But I would venture to guess, based on previous comments, you believe the Constitution is 'living / evolving' document as opposed to one that only changes based on the defined amendment process.

766 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:35:02pm

My favorite moments from those sites:

Jihad Watch saying that he didn't intend 'Neo Nazi site linked to LGF" to mean anything. Which begs the question "Why put it in the title of the topic then?".

Pamela referring to LGF as an echo chamber, when from the comments following the topic, it's fairly obvious it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

The constant references to Charles as a 'libtard', one of the most infantile terms introduced over the last 10 years. I hear someone say that, and can pretty much safely discount anything else they say as the rantings of a hate filled person. . . .every bit as much as those who rant against conservatives.

I guess you're just not conservative ENOUGH for them Charles. I'm glad of it, as I can scarcely tolerate many of the more conservative blogs around these days. They're as bad as any of the extreme liberals they babble on about, full of hate.

767 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #756 freetoken

Something tells me you are not one to enjoy the evolution threads much...


Heh, no joke. Hasn't been one of those in a few days though.

768 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:37:50pm

re: #756 freetoken

Oh no, please don't get me wrong. To me, being a Christian is about my moral values, not my devotion to doctrine. Simply, I believe in right and wrong and personal responsibilty.

769 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:39:07pm

re: #763 Thanos

Perhaps one of our Canadian friends can translate. I'. checking out another on that site,Bezoek Pro Koln aan Vlaams Belang, in Flemish, trying to make sense of what they are asserting. Cologne (Koln) had that recent dust-up with Neo-Nazis, are they asserting VB was involved, I wonder.

770 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:40:00pm

re: #730 jcm

New address:
Leavenworth.
Position:
Little rock maker.

I gotta say, I have no sympathy for creatures who abuse their trust like that. The Houston Press last week reported that in Conroe, a cop who was moonlighting at a bank, came back on a free day and robbed the place.

Hope he likes his new digs.

771 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:44:57pm

re: #764 Charles

Perhaps I needed to put my point a different way. To me, Christianity is about moral values, not just a religion. I have no fault with any religion as long as it does not find fault with me.

Why say we are not a Christian nation like being one is a bad thing? Why not just say that we are a great country because we are not ruled by strictly a religious point of view? He seems to come at things from a strange angle.

772 tradewind  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:45:15pm

re: #764 Charles

Charles,
They are beyond weird on that site... I just looked at the comments, and they are not just wrong, they actually sound threatening.

773 Daryl Herbert  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:48:17pm

I wish certain bloggers wouldn't squabble with one another, because they each have important things to say.

Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are not the people I'm thinking of, though. They don't deserve respect.

774 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #771 HippieforLife

Why say we are not a Christian nation like being one is a bad thing?

Because theocracy IS a bad thing. But that's beside the point -- he very clearly said "one of the great strengths of the United States" is that we are not a theocracy. I agree.

775 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:51:40pm

re: #758 Kenneth

The Philistines were a Greek people who disappeared centuries before the Arabs showed up in 630AD.

Oh NOW you've done it! :^)

The Philistines conquered the Phoenician cities of Gaza and Ashqelon around 1200 BC. They used "Mycenaean IIIC" pottery and so their artisan class is thought to be culturally Greek, as you say. However there is a question as to whether their language might have been a Luwian dialect, like Lycian. The name "Goliath" has been compared to those of legendary Lydian kings like Sadyattas. This gets into the whole issue of the Peoples Of The Sea. It's something of a moot point because the Babylonians exterminated the lot and restored the Phoenicians six centuries later.

As for the Arabs, they had been migrating into Syria, Jordan, and Iraq for many centuries before Muhammad. Zenobia of Palmyra was an Arab IIRC. One reason the Muslims did so well was that they were running up against Arab kingdoms, which either joined the winning side or else (as in Khuzistan) were overthrown by sympathisers from within. It wouldn't surprise me if the Byzantine provinces of "Palaestina" had gone majority Arab, especially after Justinian's bloody repressions of Samaritans.

776 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #763 Thanos

Kinda curious what this French news/ documentary story says if there are any lizards out there who can translate.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

Je ne sais quois.

It looks like another exposé of the Vlaams Belang's Nazi roots and continuing neo-Nazi connections. You know -- those Nazi connections that we're supposed to believe are all "fantasies."

777 theatheistjew  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:53:34pm

So if you accept evolution and call conservatives who reject evolution idiots, you become a white supremacist?

I can't believe Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller stooped so low.

778 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:53:35pm

re: #755 Kenneth

I agree...Obama's speeches don't do much for me, either (maybe it's because you have to be there? or see Obama speak in person?). It does trouble me, also, though, that Obama sounds far more "animated" when discussing America's faults or alleged "misdeeds." But, I suppose, we'll have to wait and see...(after all, he's only been in office for what? less than 100 days...(?))

779 MPH  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:54:16pm

Some funny reading in the JW comments section.

ChickCartoonist · 13 hours ago

As a Canadian, I resent this party calling itself "Nationalist". I myself am a nationalist - I stand behind my country and its tradtional values. If I were to transplant myself (which I am still planning to do) I would stand behind my adopted country and its traditional values.

I am also a socialist, in that I believe in helping citizenry in need, in nationalized heath care, in Crown corporations' right to exist.

But I do not endorse anti-Semitiism. I am against the global Jihad. I am against Islam and its caustic influence on Western (European and "white" North American") values that I hold so dear - such as one secular law for all and equality for all under that law.

I am therefore VERY offended by this party and its BS. It does not stand for me, as a nationalist and a socialist, of a very different kind than what they seem to embody. If these assholes align themselves with Muslims, then IMO, they are not "Nationalist" at all, but simply lovers of fascism in whatever form it presents itself, including Islam.

Alkidya · 6 hours ago

I'm with you on this "ChickCartoonist".
I too feel resentment that these A-holes can use the terms Nationalist and Socialist.

Perhaps we should now call ourselves Rightist-Socialists or just plain anti-Fascists would do the job. Whatever the case I reject these Aryan Brotherhood Nazis and their friends the Islamic Brotherhood fascists and I will do everything in my power to counter their evil agendas.

780 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:56:46pm

re: #774 Charles

I agree that theocracy is a very bad thing. I am not promoting that by any means.

I just think he uses peculiar turns of phrase. While he is trying to reach out to other countries, he seems to be smacking his country. Maybe I should use the small c for christian.

781 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 12:59:21pm

As for the Palestinian Arabs prior to the 19th century, you are correct that they never saw themselves as "Palestinian". There certainly was regional chauvinism under Islam - there's a whole literature on it called fada'il - but I've never seen documented that Palestine had an independent character. You will never find an "al-Filastini" the way you will find an "al-Masri" or an "al-Khwarismi". The local Muslims mostly associated themselves with Syria.

That said, there were some longstanding Arab cities in Palestine. Ashqelon was probably the most important; the scholar Ibn Hajar was from there.

782 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:00:44pm

re: #780 HippieforLife

I agree that theocracy is a very bad thing. I am not promoting that by any means.

I just think he uses peculiar turns of phrase. While he is trying to reach out to other countries, he seems to be smacking his country. Maybe I should use the small c for christian.

Again, I disagree. Obama made this statement in a country that is on the brink of tipping into theocracy, Turkey. He wasn't bashing America, he was praising America, and making a very pointed reference to the fact that many countries in the Middle East are theocracies.

Again, I'm not a fan of Obama, but I can't criticize this statement. It was accurate, true, and actually showed some cojones.

783 gegenkritik  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:00:45pm

I think there's misunderstanding to what the term "National Socialism" refers: it is a specific type of crisis-solution, where the particularized citizens form into a mass-racket that aims at Jews, first "invented" in Germany, now imitated by various jihadist-rackets.
That prepended, neither Vlaams Belang, nor Front National nor BNP are clearly National Socialists. They have some ideologic-elements that also occur in NS, but characterizing them as Neo-Nazis in general, isn't correct.
Though, those parties have clearly a racist and völkische agenda and every sane person should stay away from them. I cannot understand why Robert Spencer allies with such people. Yes, they are against Jihadists (on which the term Ummah-socialists on the basis of National Socialism really fits), but I highly doubt that fascists and racists are the best partners in fighting (Islam)-Nazis.
To sum it up: Keep on your good work Charles, don't be confused by attacks such as this one. You are on the right side, while Spencer and Geller have allied with the wrong people.

784 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:02:10pm

re: #779 MPH

Some funny reading in the JW comments section.

ChickCartoonist · 13 hours ago

They should just own up to calling themselves Mussolini Fascists already.

785 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:03:07pm

re: #776 Charles

they're discussing the links between Vlaam Belang and racial hate crimes committed by their followers; and they have on Dear Leader coming out and exclaiming that it's all just "a coincidence...a coincidence, I tell you!"

786 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:04:04pm

re: #375 Thanos

Charles, you might as well link the AKC articles from Kedja on Spencer as well for those who aren't hip to his connections to the Melkite/Serbian/Rockford institute axis. Axis is an intentional pun...

Charles has already linked to both my relevant articles (the Jatras and Trifkovic files; the third Spencer-related one is too long, poorly written, and contains no smoking memo). I'm most grateful for his directing of readers to my investigative research.

Perhaps it's time I write a new one though. Both Paul Weyrich, for whom Spencer worked until his death, and Bishop Artemije, for whom he still works, have colorful pasts of their own. I've already done the research; it would be a matter of merely presenting it intelligibly enough for a reader to be able to connect the dots... The greater picture emerging is not pretty, I'll tell you that much. But I'm so lazy and these days Spencer scarcely outrages me enough to push me over the edge and spur me to write about him. He's just boring... I'll try to kick my own ass into getting this research out there though.

787 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:04:17pm

re: #783 gegenkritik

They have some ideologic-elements that also occur in NS, but characterizing them as Neo-Nazis in general, isn't correct.

The term is arguably correct or incorrect, but insofar as it makes us sound extreme it's not helpful.

Yeah, I can probably get behind that.

788 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:04:41pm

(Sometimes I leave out the sarc tag. Understand that I was sincere that time.)

789 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:07:30pm

re: #785 J.S.

Thank you, I kind of thought you'd see that and clue us in. The video I mentioned below Thanos' has me curious, the background music is "Deutschland Uber Alles".

790 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:07:52pm

re: #780 HippieforLife

I agree that theocracy is a very bad thing. I am not promoting that by any means.

I just think he uses peculiar turns of phrase. While he is trying to reach out to other countries, he seems to be smacking his country. Maybe I should use the small c for christian.

Actually, one of the foremost reasons why the United States has attracted so many people from so many corners of the earth for so long is exactly the reason that Obama stated: we are NOT a theocracy, and we not only welcome people of all races, denominations and beliefs, but also provide an environment where they are free to conduct themselves according to those beliefs to the broadest extent found anywhere in the world. This is what has made the US a beacon for those trying to escape oppression, poverty, bigotry and prejudice for over two hundred years. There's nothing "peculiar" about what Obama said; it's a clear, concise statement of one of the country's most noble and profound foundation stones. We don't favor any one religion over any other, and you are free to practice your own beliefs without undue interference from the government.

I'm also not a fan of Obama's policies, but in this instance he got things exactly right.

791 jordash1212  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:09:49pm

Well it was always obvious to me that you were a Nazi. It was so obvious I didn't think I needed to point it out.

792 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:11:36pm

Latest word is that naval and air forces are being deployed to the scene of the pirate confrontation. Captain is still being held.

I'm sure the pirates will try to sell of their hostage. I'm hoping the message will be, "Hand him over now, and we won't blow your sorry asses out of the water immediately."

But only time will tell.

793 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #762 buzzsawmonkey


I really should be going, but had to peek back.
A thought:

When we consider that the resting site of Moshe is not known, we should also ask ourselves: what other people has come wholly out of slavery and formed a nation, and a nation that has lasted? What other slave rebellion has formed a lasting polity? We read that Moshe was not given entry into Eretz Yisroel for his actions in bringing forth water, but perhaps the movement away from the cult following of Moshe the person, which exemplified by the obscurity of his gravesite, and towards the following of G-d as a people, was necessary for our enduring nationhood.

Or maybe not! I dunno.

See yez.

794 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #776 Charles

Je ne sais quois.

It looks like another exposé of the Vlaams Belang's Nazi roots and continuing neo-Nazi connections. You know -- those Nazi connections that we're supposed to believe are all "fantasies."

From the footage it looks like there's some recent stuff, like perhaps the VB members who sponsored the Blood and Honor concert, looks like at least one arrest in the footage.

795 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:16:15pm

Looks like "Guilt by Endorsement" is the new internet craze.

796 gegenkritik  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:16:35pm

re: #787 Zimriel
Of course it is total BS to link LGF with Neonazis, I am sure, even political opponents won't do this (except the loony left).
And Spencer and Geller are right when they say that they aren't connected with real National Socialists, but that's simply not the point: they are allying with fascists and racists, and it's good that Charles is critizing that.

797 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:17:51pm
798 hellosnackbar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:18:31pm

re# gegenkritik,
Ausgezeichnet!

799 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:19:57pm

re: #786 medaura18586

Yes but with the Bircher resurgence I want people to open their eyes to how much of this comes from out of country and how counter it is to US principles. The Serbian alliance was recently crowing about how they are the "fifth" most influential foreign lobby group in the US. Everything they accuse the current administration of they are guilty of in other words. Pam and Robert care more for the future of populist new right candidates in Europe than they do the Republican party.

800 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:20:50pm

re: #793 Hhar

I really should be going, but had to peek back.
A thought:

When we consider that the resting site of Moshe is not known, we should also ask ourselves: what other people has come wholly out of slavery and formed a nation, and a nation that has lasted? What other slave rebellion has formed a lasting polity?

Haiti.

And the Zanji and slave-soldier mutinies brought down the 'Abbasids, and let the Turks into the Near East, but that's arguably more second-hand.

801 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:22:29pm

re: #797 tomilio

He said we should pick the little beetles out of our skin with a fork, crush them between our thumb and pinky finger and then let them dissolve on the tips of our tongues because they are really sweet.

Are they psychedelic too?

802 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:22:49pm

Woo! That didn't last so long.

803 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

804 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:25:50pm

re: #789 JHW

If I'm not mistaken, the orchestral music is Germany's National Anthem (from a tune written by Franz Joseph Haydn). It's the lyrics that have been changed. Under the Nazis, they used the first stanza (that's the Deutschland Uber Alles)...today, Germany uses the same tune, but not the first stanza (in terms of lyrics); today they use the third stanza...link here...

805 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:28:47pm

re: #804 J.S.

Thank you, I'm not sure why they're using it in that video.....sarcasm?

806 J.S.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #805 JHW

I'm not sure -- but I suspect it's to show solidarity between the Vlaam Belang party in Belgium and Germans (message to Cologne neo-nazis in particular?)

807 Hhar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:31:38pm

Haiti did not form a stable polity.
Arguably, it has not YET formed a national polity.

And I agree: your second example is more second hand.

808 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:32:34pm

We are a nation with a secular government, by design and intent.

We have a predominately Christian culture, by history and demographics.

We have a pluralistic society formed by founders who built on the best parts of societies from Hammurabi through the Enlightenment. Part of this milieu of our society is the Christian Reformation.

"Are we a Christian Nation?" is the wrong question. You need to be more precise in asking the question or making a statement.

809 JHW  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:33:50pm

re: #806 J.S.

Yes, that's what I'm wildly guessing. I searched the German media quite a while searching for an overt link to VB, but came up empty. Maybe I'll revisit that.

810 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:35:59pm

re: #774 Charles
That ain't the reason he said it. It was to make the muslims feel welcome too. And they are welcome, as long as they respect what this nation represents. Keep your sharia at home, for one thing. It is less what he said than what he really meant by it.

811 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #808 jcm

We are a nation with a secular government, by design and intent.

We have a predominately Christian culture, by history and demographics.

We have a pluralistic society formed by founders who built on the best parts of societies from Hammurabi through the Enlightenment. Part of this milieu of our society is the Christian Reformation.

"Are we a Christian Nation?" is the wrong question. You need to be more precise in asking the question or making a statement.

Thank you. People who deliberately fudge these issues have an agenda, which is other than that of understanding this country as it is.

812 mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:45:06pm

Robert Spencer was last seen in an LGF thread getting smacked around by by
Lizard Nation. I remember it pretty well. He was defending Fjordman and even posted that he was unaware that Fjordman advocated for the mass deportation strategy. It must be teh suck to be a professional writer getting fact-checked by a rabble of amateurs who do it for a hobby. He aint been right since.

813 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:51:28pm

re: #799 Thanos

Yes but with the Bircher resurgence I want people to open their eyes to how much of this comes from out of country and how counter it is to US principles. The Serbian alliance was recently crowing about how they are the "fifth" most influential foreign lobby group in the US. Everything they accuse the current administration of they are guilty of in other words. Pam and Robert care more for the future of populist new right candidates in Europe than they do the Republican party.

The Serbian lobby has been remarkably successful at infiltrating U.S. political circles because its strategists know how to lard up their rhetoric with themes that appeal, either consciously or subconsciously, to loony disaffected right-wing America. Bosnia and Kosovo are seen as "Clinton's wars," so they know which buttons to push with those political factions nurturing deep animosity for Clinton. They flame up the anti-Muslim and clash-of-civilizations rhetoric to paint their cause as part of America's struggle to the followers of Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and their likes. They speak in racist metaphors: "Albanians were to Serbia like the illegal Mexican immigrants are to the native U.S. population" and garbage like that.

They just embed their goals into the general current of populist craziness in this country. That's what they do. It's how they gain sympathy; how they get to spread and perpetuate their ideas.

Those Americans who get erections over Serbia's good fight in the Balkans solely based on their own anti-Muslim bigotry, have no idea they're being had. Serbians could give a damn about religion: [Link: english.sina.com...]

BELGRADE, Jan. 5 (Xinhua) -- Several hundred people on Monday rallied in the Serbian capital Belgrade to protest the Israeli military strikes on the Gaza Strip.

The rally, organized by an association named the Palestinian Diaspora in Serbia, was joined by Serbian parliament members, supporters of the Serbian Radical Party, and representatives of the Serbian labor, anarchist and nationalist associations.

The protesters voiced their support for Palestinians, carried anti-Israeli posters and chanted anti-Israeli slogans. They also carried flags of Serbia and Palestine and photographs of killed civilians from Gaza.

Belgrade Mufti Muhamed Jusufspahic, who attended the protest in downtown Belgrade's Republic Square, told reporters that the purpose of the rally was not to express support for any of the parties in the Middle East conflict, but to call for peace and for ending the conflict in a civilized manner.

Mohammed Nabhan, Palestinian ambassador to Serbia, also participated in the rally and said that raids against civilians would not solve the problem, but constituted a war crime.

That's right. Serbia has a grand Mufti; they have Muslims too, admittedly in small numbers. They don't have a beef with their own Muslims who are equally jingoistic/chauvinistic and match the Orthodox majority in their overall anti-Semitism. Culture trumps religion.

By the way, I was in Tirana, Albania for the holidays at the time of the Gaza offensive. No protests in any cities of Albania, the supposed Muslim country. I mean, zilch, nothing... not even a symbolic rally of a handful of creeps. Meanwhile both Greece and Serbia, our "Christian" neighbors were seething with anti-Israeli rallies.

In the Balkans, nothing is the way it seems.

814 FabioC.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 1:53:30pm
His website has descended into a true hate site at this point, dominated by extreme, bigoted commenters who regularly advocate genocide and mass murder of Muslims.

Fair enough. Now, have bigel, American Infidel and the whole lot gone down the memory hole?

815 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:00:04pm
816 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:00:35pm

re: #813 medaura18586

In any case, as far as my own sympathies toward the various players in the Balkans go, I'm not worried: Kosovo got its independence, and I'm glad to see the Kosovars' dream of not living under Serbia' thumb. The U.S. recognized their independence, as did most countries whose recognition is worth a damn in the international arena. That ship has sailed.

What I am worried about is not the Serbian lobby's ability to reverse U.S. policy toward Albanians/Kosovars, but rather its debilitating effect on right-wing politics. Anyone who gets in bed with them has sealed their own political fate. Perhaps they are performing a service though, weeding out all the crazies by association.

817 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:01:43pm

re: #816 medaura18586

PIMF: Kosovo got its independence, and I'm glad to see the Kosovars' dream of not living under Serbia' thumb realized.

818 freetoken  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:09:22pm

re: #815 EvilConservative


...maybe you need to get your head out of the sane and see what's staring you in the face.

Yup, that is his problem, he has his head stuck in sane...

You, however, might want to seek help.

819 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:17:31pm

I had to look up that Spencer thread, It was last Halloween.

Robert Spencer10/31/2008 6:45:57 pm PDT

mich-again

Please show me where Fjordman has promoted the mass deportation of Muslim citizens. I have not seen him say that....

820 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #695 yesandno

Yes it was and certainly better then the barbells I thought she would give her so she could keep her upper arms toned.....
/

Gibson, bah.
Should've gotten her a vintage Martin.

821 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:21:14pm

re: #814 FabioC.

Fair enough. Now, have bigel, American Infidel and the whole lot gone down the memory hole?

Excuse me? Those people have been gone from LGF for a long, long time, and they were only able to get away with it for so long because I simply didn't have tools to monitor comments very well, years ago.

If you have a point to make, please feel free to make it. If you're going to try to defend Spencer's completely out of control website, try to come up with something more than a lame tu quoque argument based on a situation that hasn't existed here for years.

822 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:23:03pm

Spencer's Goodbye Cruel World post..

This will, obviously, be my last post here.

...But I am more interested in building alliances and coalitions than with anathematizing those who don't agree with me on every detail. And no, this does not mean that I am interested in building alliances or coalitions with any actual race supremacists, neofascists, or neo-Nazis. Such people are always and everywhere to be opposed.

823 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:24:48pm

I'm not a political animal by nature, though I am driven to stay informed. Throughout the 8 years of BDS, I thought the injustice and the insanity would overwhelm me at times. I cannot go through 4-8 years of ODS and survive intact. Again, not a political animal.

I remember thinking, back when the VB/GoV/AS/Spencer mess started, how fortunate we were that in our country, as opposed to Europe, we had marginalized the terrible fringes so as not to give credence to such barbarity.

Apparently, they were not as far out of the US mainstream as I thought, and I am shocked at how quickly they have been embraced by some since crawling out of the woodwork. (Not to mention the many conspiracies we are now entertaining.)

It's taking too much of a toll. I think I shall make for myself a hermitage until some semblance of sanity, reason, and principle returns to the national arena, or I am once again fortified enough to rejoin the fray.

Until then, take care, Charles, and the many amazing Lizards here who contribute so much. May your strength never waver.

Peace.

824 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:26:22pm

re: #823 scottishbuzzsaw

Take a break if you need to, but please don't be a stranger.

825 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:26:32pm

re: #820 Irish Rose

Gibson, bah.

My '71 Les Paul Custom and I take umbrage with that! No mortal guitar could have survived so many years of
use and abuse and still sound and play so great.

826 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #824 Irish Rose

{Irish Rose}

827 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:28:33pm

{Scotti}

828 wiles  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:28:37pm

LGF and JihadWatch were all over each other with praises a year ago. And now it's "hateblooger"? Guy, guys, don't you know that this sort of in-fighting is exactly what The Devil wants? LOL! WCWJPABTRO? (Which conservative would Jesus pick as being the Real One?) ROFL!

829 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:30:10pm

re: #827 Sharmuta

{Shar)

830 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:32:18pm

re: #828 wiles

(Which conservative would Jesus pick as being the Real One?)

Probably the one that's consistently not supported nazis, huh?

831 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:34:49pm

The nuts are starting to come out of the woodwork now.

832 wiles  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:37:45pm

re: #830 Sharmuta

Ouch. Put me in my place! Huh?

833 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:16pm

re: #831 Charles

The nuts are starting to come out of the woodwork now.

In every such thread, I can almost feel it: some are holding their tongues. But one more post can send them over the edge; they can't hide their true colors for too long.

Thanks for banning that dick, EvilConservative, by the way.

834 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:22pm

re: #766 Yashmak

I can scarcely tolerate many of the more conservative blogs around these days. They're as bad as any of the extreme liberals they babble on about, full of hate.


People are people. They really don't behave any
differently.

Ideologues aren't capable of seeing that,

835 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:03pm

re: #823 scottishbuzzsaw

...until some semblance of sanity, reason, and principle returns to the national arena

There's always some of that out there. Seek it out, and it will help fortify you. I find a lot of it here.

836 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:28pm

re: #831 Charles

In case any newer lizards do not remember what Atlas had to say when she went spare, here is a reminder.

837 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:08pm

re: #835 wrenchwench

Thanks, {wrenchwench}...I know it's there, and I will not stop reading and listening to a chosen few. It's just disheartening to have their calm, reasoned voices drowned out by the emotional, irrational mob.

838 Sheepdogess  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:09pm

Does Charles have a problem with Bat Ye'or and Oriana Fallaci?

839 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:39pm

re: #831 Charles

The nuts are starting to come out of the woodwork now.

Yep. I saw that coming when he cited Quigley.

840 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:00:27pm

re: #832 wiles

Were you interested in acquiring fleas?

841 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:08:37pm

re: #837 scottishbuzzsaw

Thanks, {wrenchwench}...I know it's there, and I will not stop reading and listening to a chosen few. It's just disheartening to have their calm, reasoned voices drowned out by the emotional, irrational mob.

When you hear the calm, reasoned voices, start humming along. That's what you've been doing here. {scottishbuzzsaw}

842 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:27pm

re: #837 scottishbuzzsaw

Thanks, {wrenchwench}...I know it's there, and I will not stop reading and listening to a chosen few. It's just disheartening to have their calm, reasoned voices drowned out by the emotional, irrational mob.

I will miss your voice amongst the calm reasoned ones, during your hermitage. Hopefully, a short break will suffice, as we need every rational voice available to keep the irrational mob at bay.

843 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:39pm

re: #840 Sharmuta

Were you interested in acquiring fleas?

Sharm, you have to check out the end of the latest Glenn Beck thread.

They don't have the numbers to derail a thread in its prime, but they do like to hang out in quiet threads where they can get a nice gang of three or four going.

844 avspatti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:16:34pm

When watching the video of Obama saying "I love America" his affect was flat and robotic, as it was through much of the speech, his head turning left and right as he read his faithful teleprompter. I got no sense that he meant it, nor on the other hand, any sense that he was lying. In fact, I got no sense of any emotional commitment to what he was saying at all.

So much of his speeches are like that. A stern, mildly hectoring tone, almost as if he's bored with it. Dull eyes, flat affect, and a steady rhythmic cadence. The alleged Obama eloquence is utterly lost on me.

I spoke to something like this on another thread when I pointed out that O doesn't react like an American perhaps because he was brought up abroad and missed the cultural interaction with other Americans growing up. There is just something odd about him and the way he reacts imo. (I am NOT referring to his place of birth!)

845 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #836 NY Nana

In case any newer lizards do not remember what Atlas had to say when she went spare, here is a reminder.

Heh, here's a nice little quote from Atlas, taken from one of those comments:
"The entire universe knows how I admire and respect Charles. "

Yes, we can see that today.

846 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:45pm

I'm disappointed so much of this thread is dedicated to avanti.

847 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:59pm

re: #838 Sheepdogess

Orianna's dead, are you going to profess to know what she would think the way Pam and Robert do?

848 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #847 Thanos

Orianna's dead, are you going to profess to know what she would think the way Pam and Robert do?

More- why would anyone even ask such a question unless they were giving some sort of credence to the accusation?

849 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:37:55pm

Check out the keywords landing visitors to my site:

[Link: www.sitemeter.com...]

LOL!

850 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #849 medaura18586

Heh.

851 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:56pm

re: #834 Hawaii69

People are people. They really don't behave any
differently.

Ideologues aren't capable of seeing that,

I'm incredibly happy not to be one then. . .I've always struggled to avoid any sort of cognitive blindness I could :)

852 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:40:18pm

re: #849 medaura18586

Check out the keywords landing visitors to my site:

[Link: www.sitemeter.com...]

LOL!

hysterical. Are they single words, or are people actually searching that sequence?

853 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:40:56pm

re: #852 Yashmak

Sequence.

854 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #849 medaura18586

Oh my! Following the Google link, I can see why my site stands out. The title is so deliciously misleading: "Robert Spencer's amorous flirt with..."

Ha!

855 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:18:05pm

re: #527 mfarmer1

I'm not interested in "getting along" with those that accept nazis as allies.

856 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:20:31pm

re: #290 Taqiyyotomist

According to all 400 or so articles on the subject, the software that was left on the systems is still there. But that's not important, I guess, to anybody "on the story".

Whatever are you babbling about? How about posting a link, or some kind of background?

857 Sheepdogess  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:27:29pm

re: #847 Thanos

re: #848 Sharmuta


I am well aware that she is dead. Over at Atlas Shrugs, Pamela had added them to "the body count". Check it out. I had always thought Charles was a fan of Orianna Fallachi and Bat Ye'Or. I was just asking if Charles thought they were crazy too or was she lying. I read Eurabia several years ago, not an easy read BTW, and thought it was quite good. I was also a fan of Fallachi. I WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION, you don't need to jump down my throat. Sheeeesh.

858 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:10pm

re: #492 MandyManners

I cannot imagine that a veteran of the American military would be excusing a president's not visiting the site of one of the most important battles in American history, the place where nearly 10,000 men died and are buried.

I'll come right out and say it: I think you're a liar. I don't think you served in any branch of the military. I think you claim to have don so in order to try to fit in here, to establish some sort of credibility.

So, there. I've said it.

Sorry, Mandy, you are wrong. Avanti is in fact a Navy vet. Personal knowledge.

859 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:48:09pm

re: #812 mich-again

Robert Spencer was last seen in an LGF thread getting smacked around by by
Lizard Nation. I remember it pretty well. He was defending Fjordman and even posted that he was unaware that Fjordman advocated for the mass deportation strategy. It must be teh suck to be a professional writer getting fact-checked by a rabble of amateurs who do it for a hobby. He aint been right since.

I love this comment.

860 Sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:57:19pm

re: #859 Sharmuta
Love it.


Like being a professional writer is some kind of insulation from being teh stoopid.

Examples:
Stephen King
Chomsky and Mailer
Whoever wrote most of the shit on TV.

It is getting so it is much safer to assume that people with smart-glasses and writing credentials are severely full of both shit and themselves.

861 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:00:20pm
862 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:47:46pm

re: #859 Sharmuta

Thanks. It was a pretty funny thread to go back and read through. It was Halloween night and the mask came off.

863 FabioC.  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:27:06am

re: #821 Charles

That's an explanation.

I don't have anything to say about Jihad Watch or Atlas Shrugged because I don't read either.

I get my fix of hard right from the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler.

864 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:25:34am

re: #858 Alberta Oil Peon

Sorry, Mandy, you are wrong. Avanti is in fact a Navy vet. Personal knowledge.

Mandy, looks like you need to apologize to Avanti.

865 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:35:21am

re: #779 MPH

Quality! You just couldn't write material like that.

866 Zack  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:26:23pm

Ms Geller is simply too hot to quarrel with. I'm afraid I'll have to give her an unlimited pass for this and any future offenses.

867 Boot Hill  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:27:32pm

I'll have to agree with Charles on the analysis of Mr. Spencer's website. I'm more of a lurker, and find it fulfilling enough just to read the posts and info and leave the posting to those with more time and energy. It seems any more, the posters on that site are way over the top, not any logical or thoughtful discussions of events, but more childish rants. Sad, his blogging the koran series is a pretty good body of work.


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