No hope for change.

Need another catchy slogan.

there oughta be a law against him...

Ahhh, the sweet, sweet sound of a fist unclenching...

Off stage, the mullahs and the scientists are giving the sign to keep stretchin for more time.

Our crack Congressional Black Congress crew representing our department of dancing with dictators, will depart immediately on a special mission to Tehran to do another little dance to improve our relations.

re: #3 Leonidas Hoplite

Ahhh, the sweet, sweet sound of a fist unclenching...

Actually, its a zipper dropping and Barry is reaching for the chapstick.

Since Apaerphaepd has to stand on a chair just to look regular people in the eye, Obama's inevitable bow will be more of a belly crawl. Thankfully, he's had a lot of practice.

re: #5 alegrias

Our crack Congressional Black Congress crew representing our department of dancing with dictators, will depart immediately on a special mission to Tehran to do another little dance to improve our relations.

Their performance yesterday was a traitorous disgrace...

I was hoping to read that he'd been translated to another plane of existence.

I didn't really care by whom, either. I'm sad to see this in my nature.

Now let's turn the translator on to Obama...

Start with,"America is not a Christian Country"

Every one of those translations should end in "Death to America"

Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing will end with Israel being nuked. All of the talk is just that talk. Nothing will be done, nothing will be fixed. Israel will be the sacrifice for the worlds inaction. Their response will kick up enough dust to start a nuclear winter. I am in such a bad mood lately that I welcome the coming chaos. Am I strong enough to survive? We shall see, we shall see.

re: #11 simonml

Every one of those translations should end in "Death to America"

That's the crowd's part, like the ancient Greek Chorus.

re: #10 NelsFree

Now let's turn the translator on to Obama...

Start with,"America is not a Christian Country"

Translation: "I will raise taxes"

Oops. The translator was reading his mind instead

re: #13 NelsFree

That's the crowd's part, like the ancient Greek Chorus.

I think he has to force the crowd to shout that, I am not so sure the Iranian people support this nutcase.

re: #12 The_Vig

Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing will end with Israel being nuked. All of the talk is just that talk. Nothing will be done, nothing will be fixed. Israel will be the sacrifice for the worlds inaction. Their response will kick up enough dust to start a nuclear winter. I am in such a bad mood lately that I welcome the coming chaos. Am I strong enough to survive? We shall see, we shall see.

They'll take care of Iran's nuclear capabilities like they took care of Iraq's. I trust them to care for themselves when Obama abandons them

re: #12 The_Vig

Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing will end with Israel being nuked.

No, you are not. It is my opinion that Israel has enough intel to have sufficient warning of an impending launch to pre-emptively strike. They could do no less.
THEN the Nuclear Winter would start.

Funny, my translator came up with something a little different:

“The Iranian people would welcome a hand extended to it if the hand is truly based on honesty.”

I.e.: You accept our view of the world, theology and all. In short, pucker up and kiss my hairy...

“Yet, if it has an honest appearance but is dishonest by nature, the Iranian people would give the same response that it gave to George Bush. Therefore the change should be in action, not in words.”

We don't like your dusky president any more than we liked the last one--not until he acts like a proper supplicant. In short, pucker up and kiss my hairy...

“We favor dialogue with other countries but it has to be based on justice, respect and national security of our and other nations.”

In short, pucker up and kiss my hairy...

Send Sean Penn over there to negotiate.

re: #15 Wishing

I think he has to force the crowd to shout that, I am not so sure the Iranian people support this nutcase.

Iranian Rent-A Crowd, low Friday afternoon rates!

Jimmy Carter's appeasements seems so amateurish in retrospect, compared to the current professionals doing the full frontal appeasing, with the full benefit of hindsight.

re: #19 NonNativeTexan

Send Sean Penn over there to negotiate.

then it be immediate death to America from the world
same goes for the rest of Hollyhood

re: #16 simonml

They'll take care of Iran's nuclear capabilities like they took care of Iraq's. I trust them to care for themselves when Obama abandons them

If O abandoing them is the trigger then they are on borrowed time.

Ahmadinejad: “Death to America.”

Translatronic Device: “Death to America.”

One of the rare incidences where both the statement and the real intention agree.

Hmmm, a rare "all original content" post. The Lizard Master flexes his funny bone.

It's a pity Congress passed that law making ownership of chimpanzees illegal. It totally punched a hole in my plan to kidnap Ahmadinejad.

We should send him a message too. How do you say FOAD in Farsi?

Charles-

I can just imagine the Translatatron emulating the voice of "Achmed the Dead Terrorist."

-S-

Obama made such a big thing out of his Muslim "heritage" now that he's in, yet we could not mention it during the campaign.
NOW we begin to see what he really thinks of Islam.

it pleases me to see Charles having fun...(while helping to save the world)

re: #16 simonml

They'll take care of Iran's nuclear capabilities like they took care of Iraq's. I trust them to care for themselves when Obama abandons them

* * * *
Joe Biden slapped down Israel for being proactive towards Iran's threats, according to the Weekly Standard's blog entry I saw earlier today.

Slapping down our best ally in the Middle East, that's the ticket to "winning".

re: #19 NonNativeTexan

Send Sean Penn over there to negotiate.

To paraphrase
re: #18 calcajun
..., Sean Penn is gonna gonna go pucker up and kiss his hairy...

re: #24 Pass The Moonbaticide

Ahmadinejad: “Death to America.”

Translatronic Device: “Death to America.”

One of the rare incidences where both the statement and the real intention agree.

Funny, my translator changes "Death to America" to "Please come and bomb the shit out of us."

re: #20 NelsFree

Iranian Rent-A Crowd, low Friday afternoon rates!

"I want to order the burning Obama effigy and US Flag stomping package please"

re: #10 NelsFree

Now let's turn the translator on to Obama...

Start with,"America is not a Christian Country"

Sure, here you go:

Obama: "America is not a Christian country."

Translatronic Device: "Well, he's right. America is not a Christian country."

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Appease porridge hot
Appease porridge cold
Does appeasement work?
No, it does not
No matter what you're told.

Wait, that comment is five days old...how the-!

So this is why Mos Def refuses to trust translations. Shame on you guys.
///

dinnerjacket is using o's pandering and begging to buy time and move forward w/
nuking up.
they see him as a fool.
o's need to be loved and admired by the moslem world is pathological.
and that, on top of his inability to see any good in america,
makes him very unreliable and dangerous.

Obama's response translated: Okay!

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Appease porridge hot
Appease porridge cold
Does appeasement work?
No, it does not
No matter what you're told.

* * * *
Buzz you genius,

We had eight years of Arafat cavorting in the Lincoln Bedroom, and Al Qaeda attacking our country.

Democrats voted for a repeat of Clinton's dancing with dictators, with extra Carter appeasement sauce on top!

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

Translator: gulp, gulp, gulp
then broke down
///

Yes, Obama speaks pretty about America. I judge his actions.

re: #12 The_Vig

I'm under the opinion that nothing major will ever be done to Israel by these a-holes. It's too convenient of a scapegoat for them to get rid of. (Not that they would be successful if they tried). Just an attack here, a bomb there, a UN condemnation over there, a 'Death to Israel' chant or two, etc. If they really did run the jooos into the sea like they rant about, who would they blame for everything bad under the sun?

I think one of the main reasons Iran wants nukes, is so they can use them as a blackmail/bargaining tool against us and to protect them from the inevitable day that they are no longer "useful" to the Chicoms or Russians.

This is just my opinion, and it varied depending on the perceived insanity of those in charge of Iran at any given time. I also don't expect the Israelis to wait around for us to say it's ok or for them to react to such an attack after the fact instead of preemptively taking a threat out.

I could be wrong, but I hope I'm not.

re: #28 Desert Dog

We should send him a message too. How do you say FOAD in Farsi?

* * * *
Too late after Pres. Obama said something crazy like I love you!

"Noorozetan Mobarak" means Happy New Year in Farci.

re: #27 SixDegrees

It's a pity Congress passed that law making ownership of chimpanzees illegal. It totally punched a hole in my plan to kidnap Ahmadinejad.

Dare I ask... What was your plan?

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

Let's build on that one, shall we...

re: #36 Charles

Dear Charles,

Okay, excellent point. America is not a Christian nation in the mold of Iran being a Muslim nation. America was founded on Christian beliefs and practises that have made this land exceptional. Yes, we welcome all religions. We do not, however, welcome efforts to destroy or corrupt those principles.

re: #44 Lizard by the Bay

Yes, Obama speaks pretty about America. I judge his actions.

it is his in-actions that worry me most...

re: #36 Charles

Sure, here you go:

Obama: "America is not a Christian country."

Translatronic Device: "Well, he's right. America is not a Christian country."

Charles -

Agreed, insofar as our founding documents. With more than half of our population claiming Christianity as their faith, you could imply that we are a highly "Christian Influenced" nation.

-S-

I'd like to see the translator hook up with the teleprompter.

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

* * * *
"We Are Not Worthy" from Wayne's World?

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Off stage, the mullahs and the scientists are giving the sign to keep stretchin for more time.

Offstage on the American side:

"I was giving you the 'cut' signal."
"No, you were giving me the 'we're dead' signal. I was agreeing with you.
~ Galaxy Quest

re: #49 NelsFree

Dear Charles,

Okay, excellent point. America is not a Christian nation in the mold of Iran being a Muslim nation. America was founded on Christian beliefs and practises that have made this land exceptional. Yes, we welcome all religions. We do not, however, welcome efforts to destroy or corrupt those principles.

No, America was founded on secularism, and this was specifically written into the Constitution. See the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

re: #46 alegrias

"Noorozetan Mobarak" means Happy New Year in Farci.

And tierra del fuego to you to.///

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

Repost from a couple threads back...

We are a nation with a secular government, by design and intent.

We have a predominately Christian culture, by history and demographics.

We have a pluralistic society formed by founders who built on the best parts of societies from Hammurabi through the Enlightenment. Part of this milieu of our society is the Christian Reformation.

"Are we a Christian Nation?" is the wrong question. One needs to be more precise in asking the question or making a statement.

Roger Cohen crows about President Obama adopting all his recommendations. If he indeed has influence on the White house, he can take pride in the fact that, like all pacifist, he will have hasten the coming of war. If the US abandons the Iranian nuclear issue, Israel will intervene, Joe Biden or not!

Happy Passover!

re: #32 alegrias

* * * *
Joe Biden slapped down Israel for being proactive towards Iran's threats, according to the Weekly Standard's blog entry I saw earlier today.

Slapping down our best ally in the Middle East, that's the ticket to "winning".

Do you have that link? I know someone posted it earlier, but I didn't get to see it and now, damned if I can find it.

re: #55 Charles

This could quite possibly be the only thing I agree with him on.

re: #47 simonml

Dare I ask... What was your plan?

Well, it never really got past the phase of picturing him in one of those flying monkey costumes. In a cage. With bananas.

But it would have been a good plan if Congress hadn't KO'd it.

re: #57 jcm

A decent summary, but you're missing something: America was also founded by people who had experienced first-hand the horrors that result from allowing religion to enter the realm of governance -- and this is why the Establishment Clause exists.

re: #5 alegrias

Our crack Congressional Black Congress crew representing our department of dancing with dictators, will depart immediately on a special mission to Tehran to do another little dance to improve our relations.

When the Iranians use the term "government EMP program", the Black Caucus think it means "Employ More People."

re: #56 calcajun

And tierra del fuego to you to.///

* * * *
All I'm saying is Pres. Obama wishes Iran well! A bailout bouquet is on the way. No doubt.

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Appease porridge hot
Appease porridge cold
Does appeasement work?
No, it does not
No matter what you're told.

How do you come up with this stuff?

Somebody gotta be da bad guy.
Might as well be me.

re: #55 Charles

No, America was founded on secularism, and this was specifically written into the Constitution. See the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

America was founded by people who were able to seperate their own personal convictions from what was best for the nation. In other words, I agree with you.

re: #59 Russkilitlover

Do you have that link? I know someone posted it earlier, but I didn't get to see it and now, damned if I can find it.

* * * *
Would love to but am sorry I am on a different computer and don't know how to attach links yet.

Can you go to [Link: www...] weeklystandard dot com and look on the right side, where the blog items are?

re: #62 Charles

A decent summary, but you're missing something: America was also founded by people who had experienced first-hand the horrors that result from allowing religion to enter the realm of governance -- and this is why the Establishment Clause exists.

Excellent point and correction.

This is one Christian who abhors the idea of a "Christian Nation."

I want Ahmadinijad to fail.

re: #55 Charles

No, America was founded on secularism, and this was specifically written into the Constitution. See the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

That sounds very simple. All we have to do is totally disregard all the other writings and speeches made by out founding fathers.

re: #61 SixDegrees

Well, it never really got past the phase of picturing him in one of those flying monkey costumes. In a cage. With bananas.

But it would have been a good plan if Congress hadn't KO'd it.

I agree. It had all the makings of an awesome kidnapping plan.

Speaking of bananas

re: #70 Salem

I want Ahmadinijad to fail.

he already has in many ways

re: #67 ConservatismNow!

America was founded by people who were able to seperate their own personal convictions from what was best for the nation. In other words, I agree with you.

Many of the founding fathers, by the way, were NOT Christians in any normal sense, but Deists. If anyone doubts this, I suggest reading the writings of Thomas Jefferson. (It's a good idea to read Jefferson anyway. He was a towering genius, and way ahead of his time on many issues.)

I call a meltdown before 150

re: #70 Salem

I want Ahmadinijad to fail.

I just want to see Skipper hit him with his hat.

re: #27 SixDegrees

It's a pity Congress passed that law making ownership of chimpanzees illegal. It totally punched a hole in my plan to kidnap Ahmadinejad.

What!?! There goes my plans on having a pet that can also do light housework.
/

re: #62 Charles
and
re: #69 jcm
I second those points, THANKS.

re: #71 Soona'

That sounds very simple. All we have to do is totally disregard all the other writings and speeches made by out founding fathers.

And which ones are you referring to? Toss a few citations this way, please. Also, try and put them in context as well. Thanks.

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I call a meltdown before 150

Let's get a pool going!

Dinner Jacket: “Bow to us or we’ll nuke you! ”

Obama: "Shouldn't be a problem."

re: #71 Soona'

That sounds very simple. All we have to do is totally disregard all the other writings and speeches made by out founding fathers.

The founding fathers went to incredible lengths to make sure there was no *national religion*: regardless of what they wrote or said at other times, we have the documents bequeathed to us by them that prove their intent.

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What!?! There goes my plans on having a pet that can also do light housework.
/

My dog cleans up any food that hits the floor. He's like a Hoover in the kitchen

re: #76 CyanSnowHawk

I just want to see Skipper hit him with his hat.

I want to see the Professor perform experiments on him...with sharp probes.

Bullshiite.
Shenangans.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

re: #81 kansas

Dinner Jacket: “Bow to us or we’ll nuke you! ”

Obama: "Shouldn't be a problem."

Dinner Jacket: "Bow to me, I want to talk face-to-face."

re: #80 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Let's get a pool going!

always looking for trouble...

re: #83 simonml

My dog cleans up any food that hits the floor. He's like a Hoover in the kitchen

And your floors are so shiny, too.

re: #62 Charles

A decent summary, but you're missing something: America was also founded by people who had experienced first-hand the horrors that result from allowing religion to enter the realm of governance -- and this is why the Establishment Clause exists.

Charles -

The Establishment Clause is one wing of the bird. The Free Exercise Clause is the other, allowing for all sorts of religious practice - AND - for that matter -NONE AT ALL SHOULD ONE SO CHOOSE without the interference of the Federal Government, and the States as well through the Incorporation Doctrine of the 14th Amendment Cases.

-S-

-S-

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

Dinner Jacket: "Bow to me, I want to talk face-to-face."

LOL

re: #85 tradewind

... or shenanigans.
Whatev.

re: #74 Charles

Many of the founding father, by the way, were NOT Christians in any normal sense, but Deists. If anyone doubts this, I suggest reading the writings of Thomas Jefferson. (It's a good idea to read Jefferson anyway. He was a towering genius, and way ahead of his time on many issues.)

Some were conventional Christians (and a few Jews), some Deists, some out & out atheists - which is why they never imposed a State religion on the young Republic.

re: #76 CyanSnowHawk

For some reason that really cracked me up. I just ate 3 Cadbury creme eggs so it may have been the sugar rush.

BTW,what is it with all this Founding Father and Constitution talk? I thought that was passe in the era of Obama.

re: #82 Wishing

The founding fathers went to incredible lengths to make sure there was no *national religion*: regardless of what they wrote or said at other times, we have the documents bequeathed to us by them that prove their intent.

visit the Archives in DC...awsome place

Here is also an interesting collection of Ahmadinejad's statements:

[Link: jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com...]

re: #92 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Some were conventional Christians (and a few Jews), some Deists, some out & out atheists - which is why they never imposed a State religion on the young Republic.

Call Ben Franklin a Christian? Whoever does better be prepared to received plenty of howls of derisive laughter.

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

Not exactly. Which ideals and which set of values? Obama's or the Founding Fathers'. They don't appear to be quite the same.

re: #95 albusteve

visit the Archives in DC...awsome place

I love my country, but hate big cities, so I will pass, tyvm!

re: #94 kansas

BTW,what is it with all this Founding Father and Constitution talk? I thought that was passe in the era of Obama.

He's a "ReFounding Father"

Make room on Mt. Rushmore!

re: #68 alegrias

* * * *
Would love to but am sorry I am on a different computer and don't know how to attach links yet.

Can you go to [Link: www...] weeklystandard dot com and look on the right side, where the blog items are?

Actually G.W. posted it in comment #58.

Thanks, G.W.!

dang, that LGF/Acme Super Duper Translatronic Device is simply amazing and it even finished with "don't trust that sneaky little bastard" too.

re: #41 Charles

Let's have a look at Obama's full statement, shall we?

Obama: "One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Translatronic Device: [nothing to translate]

Wow - for the first time I'm proud of this country's current president.

re: #94 kansas

Well, you can understand that BHO has kind of an issue with finding fathers.
And the Constitution is fine as long as it's a living, breathing document.
(Which means, of course, that it is ultimately going to die).

re: #99 Wishing

I love my country, but hate big cities, so I will pass, tyvm!

DC isn't very big at all

re: #41 Charles

Even Obama has to get something right now and again.

And I didn't even have to pull teeth to say that!

re: #100 simonml

He's a "ReFounding Father"

More like a Rebounding Brother. I am sure to burn for that one.//

re: #55 Charles

No, America was founded on secularism, and this was specifically written into the Constitution. See the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

I would suggest "religious freedom" instead of secularism. Secularism, in fact, would be included in religious freedom. Please note that I wrote, "beliefs and practises", not rules. I would also mention the Declaration of Independence includes,
"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights..."
and,
"We therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the rectitude of our intentions..."
and,
"...with a firm reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence..."

So, America was founded by men who relied on their faith to establish a system that would protect freedom of religion, while being mindful of the values of Judeo-Christian beliefs and practises.

re: #49 NelsFree

Dear Charles,

Okay, excellent point. America is not a Christian nation in the mold of Iran being a Muslim nation. America was founded on Christian beliefs and practises that have made this land exceptional. Yes, we welcome all religions. We do not, however, welcome efforts to destroy or corrupt those principles.

Funny - they left that bit about a foundation on Christian beliefs out of the Constitution. In fact, they explicitly state that the power to govern emanates directly from those who consent to be so governed - that is, the citzenry.

There is no reference to Christianity in any part of the Constitution, any amendments to it, the Federalist Papers or any other document concerning the governance of the country.

Sorry, but this pig ain't gonna fly. The folks who put the nation together were adamantly opposed to any intertwining of religion - of any kind, Christian or otherwise - and government, having seen for themselves firsthand the wretched oppression that arises when the power of church and state are wedded.

I had to come back on for five minutes only to see this fun thread...

I have a thought for the Dinner Jacket...

Pharaoh thought he was all bad and could squish the Jews too.

I will take comfort in that thought tonight.

Be well all.

re: #74 Charles

Many of the founding fathers, by the way, were NOT Christians in any normal sense, but Deists. If anyone doubts this, I suggest reading the writings of Thomas Jefferson. (It's a good idea to read Jefferson anyway. He was a towering genius, and way ahead of his time on many issues.)

Hence Jefferson's use of "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence. "Creator" had more to do with the concept of Nature Law, than with the Religious idea of God The Creator.

re: #105 albusteve

DC isn't very big at all

I was there not too long ago for an Israel rally (in front of the White House) and just was glad to get home.

re: #98 ciaospirit

What an idiot. Why would we consider ourselves a ' muslim nation', with less than whatever percentage of the population being muslim?
Unless, of course, you include the whole Christopher al Columbus was a muslim thing.

re: #11 simonml

Every one of those translations should end in "Death to America"

Actually, both "Death to Israel" and "Death to America"

re: #112 Wishing

I was there not too long ago for an Israel rally (in front of the White House) and just was glad to get home.

I can understand...the traffic alone can drive a person crazy

re: #97 calcajun

Call Ben Franklin a Christian? Whoever does better be prepared to received plenty of howls of derisive laughter.

I didn't say that Franklin was one of the conventional Christians, did I? Though he did respect the role that Christianity & all good religions play in a society, and contributed to the building of many churches, including a Catholic church - which was all but illegal in British America, and synagogues in Philadelphia in his life time.

re: #89 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

The Establishment Clause is one wing of the bird. The Free Exercise Clause is the other, allowing for all sorts of religious practice - AND - for that matter -NONE AT ALL SHOULD ONE SO CHOOSE without the interference of the Federal Government, and the States as well through the Incorporation Doctrine of the 14th Amendment Cases.

-S-

-S-

Since you bring that up, I thought it was incredible that the Bill of Rights did not apply to state laws up until I believe the 1920s. There was a case of a out and out communist exercising his free speech and free assembly rights and the Supreme Court finally applied the 14th amendment to states.

I would like someone to translate Biden.

Biden said it would be "Ill-advised" for Israel to hit Iran.

I'll advised how and why?

Will the US armed forces confront Israeli aircraft on their way to Iran?

re: #106 Dianna

Even Obama has to get something right now and again.

And I didn't even have to pull teeth to say that!

True, even Obama, stopped clock that he is, can get things right twice a day.

Ohhh, and...

For the love of G-d, someone just bomb the hell out of Iran's nuke facilities and get it over with!

re: #41 Charles
translation redux:
' we consider ourselves a nation bound by ideals and a set of shared values cooked books.

re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

I had to come back on for five minutes only to see this fun thread...

I have a thought for the Dinner Jacket...

Pharaoh thought he was all bad and could squish the Jews too.

I will take comfort in that thought tonight.

Be well all.

Ludwig VQ -

Good Call, and, Think a little closer to home - the PURIM Story - didn't turn out too well for the then Persian "Prime Minister" HAMAN.

-S-

Curses, who leaked the secret about the "LGF/Acme Super Duper Translatronic Device?" Off with his, or her, head, metaphorically speaking of course! Wouldn't do to actually be mean and hasty to anyone, now would it?

BTW, in the spirit of Tony Quinn's dialogue from the movie "Lawrence of Arabia," Jefferson wasn't perfect!

re: #71 Soona'

That sounds very simple. All we have to do is totally disregard all the other writings and speeches made by out founding fathers.

You're attempting to conflate personal beliefs with governance.

Unlike some, the founding fathers were keenly aware of the difference, and were perfectly able to separate the two entirely unrelated themes. And in fact, they insisted upon such separation, having seen for themselves the oppression that came about when weaker minds ignored it.

re: #118 opinionated

I agree with Biden. They shouldn't hit them.
They should flatten them.

re: #108 NelsFree

And those words would apply to Allah, Buddha, Ra, Zeus, and all other gods.

re: #118 opinionated

I would like someone to translate Biden.

Biden said it would be "Ill-advised" for Israel to hit Iran.

I'll advised how and why?

Will the US armed forces confront Israeli aircraft on their way to Iran?

IIRC it was "Ill-advised" for Kim to launch his missile also...

Principles like representative democracy created by Pagan Greeks? Or principles like Republic, also invented by those pesky Greek pagans?

re: #128 brookly red

IIRC it was "Ill-advised" for Kim to launch his missile also...

Missile? Come on man, it's simply a harmless satellite...

re: #129 Thanos

Principles like representative democracy created by Pagan Greeks? Or principles like Republic, also invented by those pesky Greek pagans?

"God bless those pagans."
/Homer Simpson

re: #128 brookly red

' Ill advised ' in this administration means ' we got 'nuthin '.

re: #123 Dr. Shalit

Ludwig VQ -

Good Call, and, Think a little closer to home - the PURIM Story - didn't turn out too well for the then Persian "Prime Minister" HAMAN.

-S-

True that... Come to think of it, the Roman Empire isn't doing so well either these days...

Does Israel have nukes?.. best guess is that they do.. of course the world was thinking Saddam had WMD and they were wrong. Suppose Israel doesn't have nukes ready to launch..suppose they are working their butts off to get a anti missile system in place to defend themselves.. and Iran or Syria or even Egypt attacks them with nukes? Would NATO respond on Israel's behalf? Would Obama's America?

So far Israel has only used conventional weapons to defend itself.. and they have used them in the best ways possible to defeat enemy armies and limit civilian destruction, but if they face another Holocaust from a nuclear armed terror state like Iran.. what world leader will declare in their support? Are they not in NATO because they don't want to be there or because NATO doesn't want the risk? I think it's because NATO doesn't want the risk, and American support will turn on a dime if the current administration can change it with pro arab propaganda.

My opinion Israel should have nukes.. should let certain powers in the world intelligence agencies know it.. and should let them know who will get them if Israel is attacked. friends indeed won't worry.. friends in words will worry. Nuclear blackmail? or smart deterence?

re: #128 brookly red

IIRC it was "Ill-advised" for Kim to launch his missile also...

N Korea knows it has real friends - Russia and China- to protect them from the UN.

Israel has Obama.

re: #111 jcm

Hence Jefferson's use of "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence. "Creator" had more to do with the concept of Nature Law, than with the Religious idea of God The Creator.

Their actual comments (re 108) don't sound like the concept of Nature Law.

re: #134 BingoBunny

I would not be surprised if the Obama Administration would spill the beans on the Israeli nuke program when talking about disarmament.

re: #117 ConservatismNow!

Since you bring that up, I thought it was incredible that the Bill of Rights did not apply to state laws up until I believe the 1920s. There was a case of a out and out communist exercising his free speech and free assembly rights and the Supreme Court finally applied the 14th amendment to states.

ConservativeNow -

Gave you an upding for that one. Actually, several States did have established religions in the early days of the republic. Took a while for that to change, and the establishment was of a mild, subsidy to the favored church by and large, without abridgment of private belief or its lack.

-S-

Just my two cents, and then I hear the sweet siren call of a nap:

Countries don't practice Christianity. People do. This person does, and also respects the right of others to do so or not, and asks the same respect of others.

/I need to stop now, or I'll start talking in the third person.

re: #134 BingoBunny

Does Israel have nukes?

Does Napa have vineyards?

re: #113 tradewind

What an idiot. Why would we consider ourselves a ' muslim nation', with less than whatever percentage of the population being muslim?
Unless, of course, you include the whole Christopher al Columbus was a muslim thing.

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult. There is a vast difference between a nation with an abundance, or even a majority, of Christians, and Christian nation. Saudi Arabia is, without question, a Muslim nation, in every way that the United States is not a Christian nation. Government here stays the hell away from religion in it's governance, as it absolutely should, and as it is required to do by the Constitution. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the percentage of Christians in the country, and everything to do with the fact that those Christians are not forced by the government to believe as they do, while those who are not Christians are not persecuted by the government for believing as they do.

My kids have understood this simple distinction since they were about nine.

If you look at article six of the constitution you will also find this:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

re: #123 Dr. Shalit

Ludwig VQ -

Good Call, and, Think a little closer to home - the PURIM Story - didn't turn out too well for the then Persian "Prime Minister" HAMAN.

-S-

Over Purim, I was writing Ahamaninejad.

re: #141 SixDegrees

It's not a difficult question. I merely mean that it is ridiculous on its face for BHO to even include the group in his schtick. Why didn't he say as well that we are not a Scientology nation, or a nation of Wiccans? Why leave anyone out?

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Just one.

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't say that Franklin was one of the conventional Christians, did I? Though he did respect the role that Christianity & all good religions play in a society, and contributed to the building of many churches, including a Catholic church - which was all but illegal in British America, and synagogues in Philadelphia in his life time.

Sorry-the comment was directed to those (and I do love 'em) that equate the founding generation with a large home-fellowship.

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same of them."

--John Wayne, "The Shootist"

not a great movie but I loved it anyway

OK I really mean it this time... Gots to go! Be well!

It's April and Obama still has no church and no puppy.

/although he did visit a mosque yesterday

re: #62 Charles

A decent summary, but you're missing something: America was also founded by people who had experienced first-hand the horrors that result from allowing religion to enter the realm of governance -- and this is why the Establishment Clause exists.

I agree that the experience of the Pilgrims' intolerance for other religions was a contributing factor, plus the Church of England being the State Religion was something the Founding Fathers did not want to duplicate. Anytime a religion can exert control over those of other faiths by using government is a bad thing, and exactly is something prohibited by the First Amendment.

You know, I've had a serious hankering to read more of our Founding Fathers' writings. Guess I'll get The Federalist Papers to start...

So, may we avoid a meltdown today?

re: #146 tradewind

It's not a difficult question. I merely mean that it is ridiculous on its face for BHO to even include the group in his schtick. Why didn't he say as well that we are not a Scientology nation, or a nation of Wiccans? Why leave anyone out?

Not all that PC, is he?

re: #79 calcajun

And which ones are you referring to? Toss a few citations this way, please. Also, try and put them in context as well. Thanks.

George Washingtons innaugeral speech is a good example. The Declaration of Independence is another. These men believed in God and probably in most instances got their beliefs from some type of religion based teaching. If you want to parse "belief in God" as not Christian then I have no problem with saying Judeo-Christian. Our Constitution is written to be all inclusive to citizens of the US, but it certainly does not exclude the moral standards that a free nation must have in order to remain free. And those standards were, at that time, set by a sense of a power greater than any of us.

re: #151 Killian Bundy

The WH press corps has been assured that the First Dog will be ' in place' by the end of April.
Don't ya just love it?

re: #136 ciaospirit

Their actual comments (re 108) don't sound like the concept of Nature Law.

Depends on which "Natural Law" there. Locke was influential with the founders. Two Treatises of Government.

Well, based on the latest North Korean missile, and the fact the Iranians get missile technology from them, I figure the first time Ahamaninejad tries to nuke Israel, the bomb will land on Damascus.
Of course, this would be G-d's way of making miracles that don't look like miracles.

re: #153 debutaunt

No, but something that sounds very much like it springs to mind...

re: #113 tradewind

What an idiot. Why would we consider ourselves a ' muslim nation', with less than whatever percentage of the population being muslim?

Obama says that Muslims have greatly effected our Nation.

As I am reminded every time I take off my shoes at the airport.

Obama WILL meet with this nut case. Prepare yourself. I can already picture them at a joint press conference with US and Iranian flags in the background.

Here's a good idea...
Small town's 'stimulus plan' rewards buyers

While most of America waits for federal stimulus money to make its way into wallets, one small town on the Colorado plains has taken matters into its own hands by launching its own economic recovery plan.

Here's how it works: Spend $300 in the city of Lamar on anything but groceries, pharmaceuticals, booze or your utility bills, and the city will give you a gift certificate good for $30 at any store in Lamar. Couples can double up and get a $60 gift certificate on a $600 purchase. Shoppers can save up receipts until they have $300 worth of purchases. The offer runs through the month of April.

Buy a car -- new or used -- and the city will give you a gift card good for $100 worth of gas at any gas station in Lamar.

"We're trying to stimulate the economy, we're trying to build some sales in a time of the year when there's not a lot of sales going on," says city administrator Ron Stock, the mastermind behind the plan.

No dressing up in pantaloons and 3 cornered hats. No Ron Paul, no Glenn Beck, no UFO cults. Just a practical real world idea. More please.

re: #159 Opinionated

Obama says that Muslims have greatly effected our Nation.

As I am reminded every time I take off my shoes at the airport.

Or look at the NY skyline (as many other lizards have been saying)

re: #159 Opinionated

Obama says that Muslims have greatly effected our Nation.

As I am reminded every time I take off my shoes at the airport.

totally uninformed, idiotic lie...one of those 'fuck you' statements

re: #159 Opinionated

Obama says that Muslims have greatly effected our Nation.

As I am reminded every time I take off my shoes at the airport.

And any time I sing the first verse of the Marine Corps hymn.

Obama highlights his Muslim roots in Turkey speech

Obama, who downplayed his own family ties to Islam during last year’s presidential campaign, found them of greater use in the Turkish capital, telling a gathering of the Grand National Assembly that “the United States has been enriched by Muslim-Americans.

“Many other Americans have Muslims in their family, or have lived in a Muslim-majority country,” Obama said. “I know, because I am one of them.”

Oh, so now he's proud of his Muslim heritage.

/remember back during the campaign when any Republican who pointed out his Muslim ancestry or even dared to utter his middle name was liable to be burned at the stake for political witchcraft?

re: #159 Opinionated

Yeah. How did we ever get along without footbaths at university student centers anyway?
And the long TSA lines are better for meeting people than bars.

re: #149 albusteve

not a great movie but I loved it anyway

I always get choked up when I watch it, knowing that it was his last film & that John Wayne, like his the type of characters he played, is going to die in a world that has no place for the like of them anymore.

re: #163 albusteve

And I suppose the reincarnation of the NYC skyline is a figment as well?
What a contribution.

re: #157 Kosh's Shadow

Well, based on the latest North Korean missile, and the fact the Iranians get missile technology from them, I figure the first time Ahamaninejad tries to nuke Israel, the bomb will land on Damascus.
Of course, this would be G-d's way of making miracles that don't look like miracles.

I actually had a dream/nightmare like that.
And I do remember very few of my dreams.

re: #134 BingoBunny
Israel has nukes (though, they prefer to let their enemies in uncertainty about it).
The problem is, that the balance of terror won't work against the suicidal salvation-antisemitism which is characteristical for the Mullahs. Some years ago, the so-called "moderate" Rafsanjai has made a clear statement, that one nuke could destroy Israel, but the response would just harm the islamic world. With "harm", this so-called moderate means the death of millions.
The current dominant people in Iran (the clique around Ayatollah Yazdi, to which Ahmadinejad also belongs) are even more apocalyptic.
An ideology, which longs for the destruction of the total enemy even for the price of the own death should never be connected with a nuclear weapon.

re: #160 slterry40

Obama WILL meet with this nut case. Prepare yourself. I can already picture them at a joint press conference with US and Iranian flags in the background.

There is no reason not to assume this.

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Did you see how the Turkish press repaid his grovel?
Sorry... too chicken to link it here.

re: #169 tradewind

This quote also comes to mind when he panders to Islam.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #173 tradewind

Did you see how the Turkish press repaid his grovel?
Sorry... too chicken to link it here.

Unintentional pun, or are you in a fowl mood?

re: #160 slterry40

Obama WILL meet with this nut case. Prepare yourself. I can already picture them at a joint press conference with US and Iranian flags in the background.

I predict that sales of used aerodynamic shoes will skyrocket.

re: #170 callahan23

I actually had a dream/nightmare like that.
And I do remember very few of my dreams.

There's a section in the Prophets that prophecies an army about to attack Israel, wiped out, with people going to see the result of the miracle, the army's corpses and equipment.
That seems to fit what would happen if, say, the Arabs were getting ready to invade Israel after a nuclear strike, and the missile hit them instead.

re: #177 debutaunt

I predict that sales of used aerodynamic shoes will skyrocket.

And Chap-Stick, for all the ass-kissing.

David Pryce Jones, who wrote one of the great books on Arabs, The Closed Circle, has weighed in on the Obama bow to the Saudi king:

Obama and the King

[Link: pryce-jones.nationalreview.com...]

Definitely worth the short read.

re: #178 Kosh's Shadow

yep, it's in Ezekiel. Gog and Magog and all that.

I've got to get some work done before I head home and then go to the seder, but this thread is too good.

re: #152 NelsFree

So, may we avoid a meltdown today?

Plenty downstairs...

re: #176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oh... that one never crossed the road my mind...

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Obama highlights his Muslim roots in Turkey speech

Oh, so now he's proud of his Muslim heritage.

/remember back during the campaign when any Republican who pointed out his Muslim ancestry or even dared to utter his middle name was liable to be burned at the stake for political witchcraft?

This sort of pandering only helps move Turkey further away from its secular roots. He needs to STFU about religion.

Drudge
US to attend group nuclear talks with Iran

Ahmadinejad sat in his booster seat
His fist firmly clenching a baby rattle
Im gonna get a puppy aint that sweet.
Just big enough to wear a saddle.
Then ill ride him down the street
To listen to Obama blabber and prattle
And then ill let him kneel down to kiss my feet

re: #49 NelsFree

America was founded on Christian beliefs and practises that have made this land exceptional.

Like these?

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

Every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." - George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

"When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780;)

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?" - John Adams

"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.'' - James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.)

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)

re: #175 vagabond trader

This quote also comes to mind when he panders to Islam.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh. This is a quote from Charles' lead in and what was once suspected is now proven beyond reasonable doubt:

Obama’s comments display an appalling disconnect from reality.

As of 2001

Religion
Christianity 76.5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13.2%
Judaism 1.3%
Islam 0.5%
Buddhism 0.5%
Agnostic 0.5%
Atheist 0.4%

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

I liked the period and all the old actors that contributed...I understand the themes...maybe it was great but not one of his top three or so...may be a debate there...the dialog was excellent

re: #152 NelsFree

So, may we avoid a meltdown today?

Nope. This thread's not over.

re: #178 Kosh's Shadow

There's a section in the Prophets that prophecies an army about to attack Israel, wiped out, with people going to see the result of the miracle, the army's corpses and equipment.
That seems to fit what would happen if, say, the Arabs were getting ready to invade Israel after a nuclear strike, and the missile hit them instead.

Wow, I have not read the bible thoroughly (as an atheist). Thanks for the insights.
GO ISRAEL, GO.

re: #187 DEZes

Ahmadinejad sat in his booster seat
His fist firmly clenching a baby rattle
Im gonna get a puppy aint that sweet.
Just big enough to wear a saddle.
Then ill ride him down the street
To listen to Obama blabber and prattle
And then ill let him kneel down to kiss my feet

Being the King sure is sweet

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Nice. If you will pardon my suggestion, though, it feels like it's missing a line--perhaps because there are an odd number, which truncates the abab rhyme scheme.

Sure thanks, your great at that stuff, I would be happy if you worked on it.

re: #188 SixDegrees

Um, no.

re: #100 simonml

Well, you asked for it. :-)

re: #188 SixDegrees

Interestingly, Thomas Paine finished his life in England, the country that he had fought against, because he felt that the country he helped to found had become too religious.

Speaking of a Christian nation, a White House Seder:
link

re: #185 kingkenrod

This sort of pandering only helps move Turkey further away from its secular roots. He needs to STFU about religion.

he doesn't ever think abt. the bigger picture. he is not capable of that.
he just thinks abt. ingratiating himself in the moment.
everything comes back to him.
tooting his horn everywhere he goes. oblivious to reality.
classic narcissist.

Last night the tv was on in the other room, so my attention was not focused. It was one of those apocalyptic shows and I thought it was referring to biblical prophecy, turned out it was on global warming. lol.

re: #200 avanti

Speaking of a Christian nation, a White House Seder:
link

He does know not to serve a nice juicy ham, right?

re: #170 callahan23

I actually had a dream/nightmare like that.
And I do remember very few of my dreams.

Please no... not another "prophetic dreams" thread...

re: #200 avanti

Speaking of a Christian nation, a White House Seder:
link

I like this line from the article:

A White House official told FOX News that Obama participated in a Passover seder with staff and a few friends last year while on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, and enjoyed it so much he played off the traditional refrain at the end of the seder, yelling out "Next Year in the White House."

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He does know not to serve a nice juicy ham, right?

LOL
I wouldn't count on that after the last couple of months..

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He does know not to serve a nice juicy ham, right?

Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

re: #202 vagabond trader

Last night the tv was on in the other room, so my attention was not focused. It was one of those apocalyptic shows and I thought it was referring to biblical prophecy, turned out it was on global warming. lol.

Glo-bull Warming is a religion. You have all the elements - a Paradise spoiled by the sins of man, a coming apocalypse if man does not repent,...

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Please no... not another "prophetic dreams" thread...

Don't be afraid, as I said I do remember very few of my dreams. Extremely few to be exact.

re: #190 ciaospirit

As of 2001

Religion
Christianity 76.5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13.2%
Judaism 1.3%
Islam 0.5%
Buddhism 0.5%
Agnostic 0.5%
Atheist 0.4%

Thanks. And I agree with Nelsfree's #49. But I also believe that anyone can believe anything they want in this great nation. That's why it's a great nation.

re: #199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think that you're very wrong. Nothing to do with Religion, but he was born in England and moved here in mid-life. Died in NY.

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re: #202 vagabond trader

Last night the tv was on in the other room, so my attention was not focused. It was one of those apocalyptic shows and I thought it was referring to biblical prophecy, turned out it was on global warming. lol.

Heh. It never ceases to amaze me how much the climate change catastophists and the biblical end-of-the-world folks sound alike. In many ways, you could view The Day After Tomorrow as a biblical flood or end-of-the-world story from the catastrophists.

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He does know not to serve a nice juicy ham, right?

Actually that was kinda funny, thanks for the giggle.

Saturday the 18th I will be attending a little shin-dig at U of L. Cheif Justice Roberts is giving a lecture. Small venue. May get to ask him a question. Any ideas? Something on religion and the Constitution perhaps?

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm sure the cosmopolitan Obama's will make the seder their own own, just like their horrid church lifted Jewish tradition. Besides, everyone knows that Jesus ate ham at the last supper, right?//

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He does know not to serve a nice juicy ham, right?

Yeah, I think he'll do bacon instead.
/

re: #208 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I call it the secularist version of Revelations.

re: #215 avanti

Actually that was kinda funny, thanks for the giggle.

have u seen this one? ham for Chanukah
Image: ChanukaHam.jpg

re: #209 callahan23

Don't be afraid, as I said I do remember very few of my dreams. Extremely few to be exact.

Well, I had a dream the night before last that I was, er, cuddling with, simultaneously, Scarlett Johanssen and Winona Ryder. So I guess I should be in favor of the whole prophetic dream thing... but I still think it's a bunch of hooey.

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Here's a good idea...
Small town's 'stimulus plan' rewards buyers

No dressing up in pantaloons and 3 cornered hats. No Ron Paul, no Glenn Beck, no UFO cults. Just a practical real world idea. More please.

So the government once again is the answer. Who's actually paying for those gift cards? What happens when the government runs out of gift cards? Raise taxes to print more? It's Obamanomics on a local scale.

re: #202 vagabond trader

Last night the tv was on in the other room, so my attention was not focused. It was one of those apocalyptic shows and I thought it was referring to biblical prophecy, turned out it was on global warming. lol.

With Al Gore as the doomsday preacher.
Imagine what Monty Python would do with that. Reminds me of all the prophets in Life of Brian.
"And there shall be, in that time, rumors of things going astray, and nobody will be able to find that item with the raffiawork base that has an attachment..."
"And he shall wield a nine-bladed sword! Not six, or seven, but nine!"

"And the ice shall melt and the oceans shall overflow the shores and ye shall all drown, lest thee buy carbon credits."

Im afraid the Dear Leader of Iran is sounding more and more like the Achmed
Dead Terrorist in the comedy act. "I kill you"
If Charles' magic translation device is functioning correctly of course [which I think is]

re: #211 Soona'

Thanks. And I agree with Nelsfree's #49. But I also believe that anyone can believe anything they want in this great nation. That's why it's a great nation.

Something wrong with those figures, the atheist and agnostic numbers are way,way low.

President Obama's diplomacy has an excellent chance of "success" with iran. Look how well it worked with russia. If your opening offer is "surrender," the likelihood of finding common ground with the enemy is close to 100%.

re: #222 ciaospirit

Yes, the stimulus money will be used to keep small businesses afloat.

Dear Six Degrees,

I'd like to thank you for the effort involved with putting together your most voluminous post #188. Clearly, you are a firm believer in separation of Church and State. I too, do not wish to have a "State Religion". Since we agree on this, let us encourage everyone to learn more about the documents of our Founding Fathers. There seems to be a shocking paucity of knowledge nationwide in that area. You seem to be especially well-versed in the more arcane aspects thereof.

re: #188 SixDegrees

Good suff and great find, SixDegrees. I guess that pretty much puts this topic to rest.

re: #212 Lincolntf

I think that you're very wrong. Nothing to do with Religion, but he was born in England and moved here in mid-life. Died in NY.

You're right - he moved to France during their revolution & later came back to America.

Thomas Paine died, at the age of 72, at 59 Grove Street, Greenwich Village, New York City, on June 8, 1809. He was buried at what is now called the Thomas Paine Cottage in New Rochelle, New York, where he had lived after returning to America in 1802. His remains were later disinterred by an admirer, William Cobbett, who sought to return them to England. The bones were, however, later lost and his final resting place today is unknown.

That must be why I though that he was buried in England - no one knows what happened to his remains.

re: #215 avanti

Actually that was kinda funny, thanks for the giggle.

I didn't get a chance to weigh in earlier Avanti..
Thank you for your service to our country..
Regards

re: #213 Killgore Trout

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re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102867824&sc=nl&cc=sod-20090408

NPR.org, April 8, 2009 - Passover begins Wednesday at sundown, which
for many households means rousing renditions of the traditional
Passover song "Dayenu." It's a catchy little tune with 15 rousing
stanzas, detailing a series of gifts from God to the Israelites. But
for those looking to add something new to their Passover playlist,
look no further than "They Tried to Kill Us, We Survived, Let's Eat"
by Good for the Jews.

re: #213 Killgore Trout

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IRS Vote
Hopenchange!

It's just the Fair Tax by another name from what I can see. Same ideas. IIRC, it's not even Ron Paul's idea, it belongs to other people, and Neil Boortz even wrote a book on it. The idea of using a sales tax instead of an income tax goes back at least to the 1930s.

re: #225 avanti

Something wrong with those figures, the atheist and agnostic numbers are way,way low.

That and why is there a separate entry for "nonreligious/secular"? Shouldn't atheist and agnostic be included in that if they are going to be that broad?

Joe the Plumber has now officially become the Cindy Sheehan of the Right.

re: #231 HoosierHoops

I didn't get a chance to weigh in earlier Avanti..
Thank you for your service to our country..
Regards

Oh, I think avanti served in the Navy, alright.

THE CUBAN COMMUNIST NAVY!

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re: #213 Killgore Trout

You're a brilliant... troublemaker.

Don't you realize you are now living in a Christian nation? No longer will you have to pay the IRS. All you will need to do is tithe down at your local congregation.

re: #221 Occasional Reader

Well, I had a dream the night before last that I was, er, cuddling with, simultaneously, Scarlett Johanssen and Winona Ryder. So I guess I should be in favor of the whole prophetic dream thing... but I still think it's a bunch of hooey.

Dang that's where Scarlett was the other night...She told me her and Winona were shopping..
/Somebody has to escort Winona on shopping trips...

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

I know. It's a pretty popular idea among conservatives. I've pretty much arrived at the point that I'm happy the Dems are in charge. If I had it all to do over again, I'd vote Dem.

Here's a link to the Sheehanisation of Joe

***ERROR***
It looks as though there is a glitch in the "Translatronic Device" -

“Bow to us or we’ll nuke you! Death to America!”

SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TRANSLATED AS -

“Bow to us and we’ll nuke you anyway! Have a good day!”

re: #188 SixDegrees

I gotta go back and read me some bible. Didn't know I was missing out on debauchery, obscenity and more. To think I wasted all that time on Gothic Romances when I could have been reading the bible!

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled

I'm secretly watching GLenn Beck - right now.

Tee hee!

re: #238 freetoken

UFO Tea Party!

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Heh. It never ceases to amaze me how much the climate change catastophists and the biblical end-of-the-world folks sound alike. In many ways, you could view The Day After Tomorrow as a biblical flood or end-of-the-world story from the catastrophists.

I don't watch any of those doomsday shows. Weak speculation at their best. I watch the truly educational and historical shows like "The History of Sex".

re: #236 Zimriel

Joe the Plumber has now officially become the Cindy Sheehan of the Right.

His popularity is going down the tubes.

re: #244 Racer X

I'm a little burned out on nuttiness today but I watch him too. I find it fascinating.

Today is the 35th anniversary of Hank Aaron breaking Babe Ruth's home run record.

I remember that game very well. It was my 10th birthday and Hank's home run was the best present I got.

re: #200 avanti

They'll never ever get the knadleich just so like my Mama used to.

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Please no... not another "prophetic dreams" thread...

Well, most of the dreams I remember would make good science fiction stories.
I did write one, which was rejected by Fantasy and Science Fiction (with an actual individual comment). I've made some revisions, and want to submit it elsewhere, but haven't yet.
Since we've had the precedent, if anyone wants to read and criticize it, I've put my email address in, and I'll send it, but probably not tonight because the seder will run late.
It is kind of "light" science fiction, set on Earth in a society based on our own, but where they tried to fix some of our problems in a way that brought its own problems (and no, not global warming).

re: #74 Charles

Many of the founding fathers, by the way, were NOT Christians in any normal sense, but Deists. If anyone doubts this, I suggest reading the writings of Thomas Jefferson. (It's a good idea to read Jefferson anyway. He was a towering genius, and way ahead of his time on many issues.)

Yes, one of my heroes. It's also important to read John Locke, the philosophical father of America. He set out most fully and complete the concept of man's rights.

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I'm a little burned out on nuttiness today but I watch him too. I find it fascinating.

Its entertainment - pure and simple. As long as your BS filters are working there is no risk of infection.

re: #221 Occasional Reader

Well, I had a dream the night before last that I was, er, cuddling with, simultaneously, Scarlett Johanssen and Winona Ryder. So I guess I should be in favor of the whole prophetic dream thing... but I still think it's a bunch of hooey.

Well what a blast your dream, you lucky bloke.
I agree to the 'bunch of hooey' part though. I cannot get myself to believe in g-d, the BAD guy, angels, demons nor fairies. (It's my a**eist-schtick I guess). ;-)

re: #231 HoosierHoops

I didn't get a chance to weigh in earlier Avanti..
Thank you for your service to our country..
Regards

OK, thanks for that, I was a bit upset earlier, but emotions run high when in comes to your country.

re: #243 Russkilitlover

I gotta go back and read me some bible. Didn't know I was missing out on debauchery, obscenity and more. To think I wasted all that time on Gothic Romances when I could have been reading the bible!

What!? Didn't you look at the sexy parts of Song of Solomon when you were a kid?

re: #246 Soona'

I don't watch any of those doomsday shows. Weak speculation at their best. I watch the truly educational and historical shows like "The History of Sex".

Heh.

That's the trouble with doomsday predictions, regardless of what one thinks of warming, cooling, religion, etc. In essence, they're speculation that is always subject to change, and sometimes based on models that don't always conform to reality.

re: #254 callahan23

Well what a blast your dream, you lucky bloke.
I agree to the 'bunch of hooey' part though. I cannot get myself to believe in g-d, the BAD guy, angels, demons nor fairies. (It's my a**eist-schtick I guess). ;-)

You dont believe in Stan?
; )