Expect this news to launch a round of screaming that Barack Obama is lying: White House: No bow to Saudi.
“It wasn’t a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he’s taller than King Abdullah,” said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
As I wrote at the time:
Even if Obama did bow to Abdullah (the photo is not really proof of that)…
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:35:04pm |
I think they're trying to fan the flames of craziness by directing more attention to a non-issue.
Meanwhile- what's Congress doing with our money?
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:35:25pm |
The White House is full of shit on this one. It is a bow, just as much as George Bush's was several years ago, and just as bad.
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audit81 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:35:42pm |
Obama was merely bending over to read the teleprompter on the floor.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:36:06pm |
re: #3 audit81
Obama was merely bending over to read the teleprompter on the floor.
LOL! Major upding!
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:36:17pm |
They have no real policy agenda to announce, or some more appointments to fill?
They have to distract us with more bowing?
This is a set-up, folks. Watch the Birdie!
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RJ_In_Reno Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:36:39pm |
Look over there----->Shinny thing
Oh by the way he did bow and now they are lying about it.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:37:32pm |
re: #5 Sharmuta
They have no real policy agenda to announce, or some more appointments to fill?
They have to distract us with more bowing?
This is a set-up, folks. Watch the Birdie!
Yep. Something wicked this way comes.
What do they have up their sleeve this time? Health care?
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DEZes Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:37:50pm |
It wasnt a bow, it was just gravity pulling on those big ears.
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Pigtown Water Dog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:05pm |
Distraction. No one ever pays attention to the man inside the box...
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:15pm |
This just in folks: There is no such thing as ODS. He really does suck that bad.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:41pm |
re: #2 Honorary Yooper
The White House is full of shit on this one. It is a bow, just as much as George Bush's was several years ago, and just as bad.
I don't think we're going to reach a consensus on every detail, but I am definitely with you on the first part.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:38:51pm |
re: #6 RJ_In_Reno
Look over there----->Shinny thing
Oh by the way he did bow and now they are lying about it.
Did you expect anything less from The Most Transparent White House in History?
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:39:07pm |
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tradewind Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:39:39pm |
Okay, let's not quibble. Give him the benefit. It wasn't a bow.
It was a protracted bending over at the waist,while affecting a subservient manner.
There. Better?
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:39:47pm |
Someone on Politico.com just wrote that Obama was actually simply trying out his NEW Mobile Show TelePrompter... that's funny.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:39:54pm |
As I wrote at the time:Even if Obama did bow to Abdullah (the photo is not really proof of that)...
Well... the photo, no. The video... that's another thing.
And I find the "official" explanation ridiculous. Obama is ALREADY holding Abdullah's hand... and THEN he bows.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:15pm |
re: #7 Honorary Yooper
Yep. Something wicked this way comes.
What do they have up their sleeve this time? Health care?
But look at what mrs. 0bama is wearing. She's Princess Diana meets Jackie O.
[Pay no attention to the collectivist agenda behind the curtain]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:31pm |
re: #2 Honorary Yooper
It is a bow, just as much as George Bush's was several years ago, and just as bad.
Well, that all depends on what your definition of "is" is.
//and blow jobs still ain't sex
//cribbing from B. Clinton in the defense of G. Bush
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nyc redneck Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:47pm |
people are going to view the video and photos and know exactly what he did.
and know that he knows it's a 'no-no'
or he wouldn't be desperately trying to interpret for us what we saw.
he bowed.
and he has realized it was not a good campaign move.
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Gella Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:49pm |
he was exercising, they don't have basketball ring
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:52pm |
Ok Barry. You didn't bow. Cool cool. Soooooo, what the hell are you doing with all of our money? Do you have any idea about a foreign policy? Or is it bend over and grab your ankles time for the USA?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:40:55pm |
re: #3 audit81
Obama was merely bending over to read the teleprompter on the floor.
That's brilliant!
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:41:23pm |
He bowed; I saw the video.
Sharmuta is right though, they're trying to fan the flames of craziness.
This is all straight out of the Alinsky handbook...I suggest you all read it.
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SalsaNChips Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:41:43pm |
At least he wasn't holding hands with him or waving around ceremonial swords.
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Neutral President Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:41:46pm |
re: #5 Sharmuta
Democrat Chewbacca Defense.
"If Barack Obama bowed to the Saudi king on Endor then you must acquit."
"Look at the silly monkey!"
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:41:51pm |
Couple of things:
1. I believe he's only extending one hand in the video.
2. The politico article quotes an "anonymous" Aide who refused to be named or go on the record, but wants to assure us all that it was not a bow. Whew! I'm relieved now... must be true!
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:04pm |
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:08pm |
It wasn't a bow, it was a "dip"...
whatever.. Next.
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:10pm |
Hmmm....Actually, I don't believe it's Obama himself saying he denies it was a bow -- but an aide of Obama's...technical difference there.
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jester6 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:18pm |
Clinton was masterful at looking people straight in the face and lying to them. He did irreparable damage to our political discourse in this country. After Clinton, a mistake or different interpretation of the same set of facts was called a lie by political opponents.
It will be interesting to see if Obama is as good as Clinton.
It will also be interesting to see if Obama even cares that he is called a liar.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:23pm |
re: #27 NYCHardhat
Ok Barry. You didn't bow. Cool cool. Soooooo, what the hell are you doing with all of our money? Do you have any idea about a foreign policy? Or is it bend over and grab your ankles time for the USA?
What about North Korea? What about Iran in light of the material bust in New York? What about filling some positions at Treasury? What's up with GM?
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uncle_monkey Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:26pm |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:30pm |
re: #21 Occasional Reader
Well... the photo, no. The video... that's another thing.
And I find the "official" explanation ridiculous. Obama is ALREADY holding Abdullah's hand... and THEN he bows.
And by the way... no, I'm not going in for some nutty conspiracy theory about Obama's bow being intended to signify his obeisance to Wahabi Islam or something like that. I think it was just a demonstration of his Amateur Hour protocol, erm, difficulties.
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:39pm |
re: #30 SalsaNChips
At least he wasn't holding hands with him or waving around ceremonial swords.
Well, at least that has an aspect of danger tied to it... :)
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:41pm |
re: #30 SalsaNChips
At least he wasn't holding hands with him or waving around ceremonial swords.
No. He's just lying his ass off.
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Noam Sayin' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:48pm |
“It wasn’t a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he’s taller than King Abdullah,” said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Ed Morrissey has a video over at HA that shows one hand free. This is such an obvious lie.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:42:52pm |
re: #22 Sharmuta
But look at what mrs. 0bama is wearing. She's Princess Diana meets Jackie O.
[Pay no attention to the collectivist agenda behind the curtain]
It's quite a habit with them. They lie, and then they lie about the lies. Too bad for them that some of us have seen this all before. King Richard II of Chicago does this constantly. He finds a distraction to keep people's eyes off what he's trying to do. All this is, is Chicago politics writ large.
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FlightERDoc Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:43:16pm |
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:43:25pm |
No one person in politics has gotten me so enraged. He needs to go. NOW.
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n2stox Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:43:33pm |
Maybe he's looking away, getting up the courage that since the king makes more than $250k per year...oh, nevermind.
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:43:50pm |
re: #34 zombie
Kewl. My tax accountant is there, watching in person. I'll have to ask him if he was able to see it.
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Mich-again Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:15pm |
re: #34 zombie
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
Well I have never hit a hole in one, came close a few times, but I have hit balls that skipped across the surface of the water. Not that unusual really. I have even seen a guy skip one over the water, then make it to the other side where it hit a rock and bounced back in. Ha.
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Diamond Bullet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:16pm |
Gee, this is a tough one. On one hand, an Obama aide says it wasn't a bow (not that there's anything wrong with that!). And on the other, pretty much every person on the planet who has seen it, including both U.S. and Saudi media, say that it is. But since we don't know what the definition of "is" is, we therefore cannot know what the definition of "bow" is. Advantage: Obama.
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:20pm |
re: #41 Occasional Reader
And by the way... no, I'm not going in for some nutty conspiracy theory about Obama's bow being intended to signify his obeisance to Wahabi Islam or something like that. I think it was just a demonstration of his Amateur Hour protocol, erm, difficulties.
Completely agree. My issue isn't the bow so much as Obama being blind to the symbolism of his position in an overseas tour. Noob.
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Earth56 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:35pm |
He dropped an Illinois state quarter on the floor that he was saving .
couldn't you all hear the ting ?
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:42pm |
re: #40 uncle_monkey
Maybe he wasn't bowing, just kissing his ring.
No, that's King Abdullah, not King Richard II. I'd believe the part about the ring kissing if it were King Richard II.
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baier Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:44pm |
I don't care if he kissed the kings feet. This whole thing is a childish and unwelcome detour from sane discourse.
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:50pm |
Again, technically speaking, NO ONE can ACCUSE OBAMA of "lying" -- this is not something that was said by Obama.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:58pm |
re: #45 Honorary Yooper
It's quite a habit with them. They lie, and then they lie about the lies. Too bad for them that some of us have seen this all before. King Richard II of Chicago does this constantly. He finds a distraction to keep people's eyes off what he's trying to do. All this is, is Chicago politics writ large.
We should reject playing into it.
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Soona' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:44:59pm |
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kansas Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:19pm |
That settles it for me. This is Democrat strategy. Let this boil up for a few more days, then when it settles down, Carvile or some other flame thrower will be on a talk show getting it going again. Maybe Beck or Hannity. Same difference.
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spinmore Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:23pm |
All things to
All people.
It was like that during the campaign.
Ignore the facts - accept the spin. What bullshit!
It's not the bow - it's the lie. ( . . . well, it's the bow too)
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:37pm |
re: #57 baier
I don't care if he kissed the kings feet. This whole thing is a childish and unwelcome detour from sane discourse.
Really?
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:46pm |
re: #46 FlightERDoc
Almost....the dip was bowing
from the politico link-}
...
The video shows Obama dipping toward the king as G-20 leaders greet one another at the ExCel Centre in London.
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Mich-again Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:55pm |
One more time.. it wasn't a bow it was a curtsey.
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wrenchghaziwenchghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:45:56pm |
re: #3 audit81
Obama was merely bending over to read the teleprompter on the floor.
That's actually what it looked like.
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Lizard by the Bay Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:04pm |
Denying this will be much worse for BHO than simply saying that bowing to Saudi Kings has been the Diplomacy SOP.
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:07pm |
re: #27 NYCHardhat
Ok Barry. You didn't bow. Cool cool. Soooooo, what the hell are you doing with all of our money? Do you have any idea about a foreign policy? Or is it bend over and grab your ankles time for the USA?
Oh he's already spent our money. He's spending other countries' money now.
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mph Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:14pm |
Perhaps it is a distraction to keep people's eyes unfoced -- but come on --- he clearly bowed to the saudi king and they are lying.
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Digital Display Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:18pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
That shot had more spin on it than the Obama White House
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:33pm |
At least Bush didn't deny the sword dance.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:45pm |
re: #65 Racer X
Not a bow.
Just Obama talking out of his ass.
Q: How can you tell when Obama is talking out of his ass?
A: His lips are moving.
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:47pm |
re: #50 FrogMarch
Kewl. My tax accountant is there, watching in person. I'll have to ask him if he was able to see it.
What's especially astounding is that if you watch the end closely, the dirty muck the ball picked up from the water was necessary to slow it down perfectly enough to go into the hole -- as if bouncing off the lake was an essential requirement to get the hole in one. If the ball was clean, it would have missed the hole!
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:47pm |
All things considered, I'd rather have "going to sword dances", as opposed to "making gestures that appear to be bowing but we super-duper swear are not."
I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt, maybe he didn't know that presidents don't bow to their equals.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:48pm |
Here's Drudge, on what Obama hasn't been talking about so prominently:
US to take part in group talks with Iran...
RUSSIA SAYS: Iran poses no threat to USA...
Iran set to say mastering final stage of enrichment...
...Moscow opposes sanctions against NKorea over rocket launch
We've had our fill of Birch'ers, Beck'ers, and buttocks these last few days. I agree with Sharm; Obama is hoping to keep the Right distracted by provoking the troofers.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:46:58pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
We're being played.
No, duh.
And so many of us will just merrily follow the shiny object.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:47:03pm |
re: #54 jaunte
The bigger question is, who wants to buy a toxic asset?
But if the public is discussing real issues, his poll numbers would go down. Better to keep his enemies looking like raving loons.
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Russkilitlover Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:47:36pm |
re: #33 buzzsawmonkey
If the President stayed erect
Let's not go there. A President with a continual hard on is so off-putting.
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doppelganglander Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:47:39pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
I don't even care about golf, but that was pretty amazing.
| 85 |
calcajun Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:47:59pm |
Big deal. This is not an issue. Getting off the oil teat so we don't have to figuratively bow and scrape as opposed to the symbolic bowing and scraping people are screaming about.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:02pm |
re: #39 Sharmuta
What about North Korea? What about Iran in light of the material bust in New York? What about filling some positions at Treasury? What's up with GM?
You're right. I suffer from a short attention span. I like to only read and post comments a few sentences long.
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Earth56 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:20pm |
He was asking the king if he was losing any hair
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:25pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
But if the public is discussing real issues, his poll numbers would go down. Better to keep his enemies looking like raving loons.
The White House tells us we didn't see what we all know we saw, and we're the raving loons.
What a world.
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Racer X Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:53pm |
The White House thinks we are all really, really stupid, and will believe anything they say.
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nyc redneck Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:53pm |
re: #67 Mich-again
One more time.. it wasn't a bow it was a curtsey.
a curtsey would have been a more suitable way for o to show deference.
lol
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baier Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:48:56pm |
re: #64 Occasional Reader
Yes, really. Why focus on how he bowed to a king when he's stealing your wallet, your kid's wallet, and your grandchild's wallet to turn our country in to a welfare state? Get over it, on the grand scale it is a little thing.
| 92 |
adilo Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:03pm |
note to self:
1. book daily show for funny apology moment
2. no more bowing (dammit!)
3. aide under bus
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researchok Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:13pm |
Bowing to kings and queens is part of our culture. Explorers bowed to shaman, tribal chiefs and medicine men on almost every continent.
Kings are no longer deities.
Move on.
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kansas Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:14pm |
re: #82 Russkilitlover
Let's not go there. A President with a continual hard on is so off-putting.
Nonetheless Clinton got two terms.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:18pm |
I just want to know- what about the real issues in politics today that are going to have real consequences on my life and that of my family?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:23pm |
re: #76 Athens Runaway
All things considered, I'd rather have "going to sword dances", as opposed to "making gestures that appear to be bowing but we super-duper swear are not."
I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt, maybe he didn't know that presidents don't bow to their equals.
There's no difference. Both of those are examples of pandering to the Saudis.
And I absolutely guarantee that if Barack Obama had done a sword dance with Abdullah, or bowed to accept a medal from him, the screaming would be even more deafening.
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:28pm |
This late-coming claim by an Obama aide may also explain why the MSM has not (dared?) to mention the "bow" -- "not bow." the MSM may have been told to label it a "non story", since it wasn't "a bow." And the lap dogs immediately complied.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:58pm |
re: #88 capitalist piglet
The White House tells us we didn't see what we all know we saw, and we're the raving loons.
What a world.
The WH wants us to discuss this instead of policy, where they're beyond weak.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:49:59pm |
re: #89 Racer X
The White House thinks we are all really, really stupid, and will believe anything they say.
It worked. Hopefully, more of us will wake up and see what we saw.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:04pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Spending it faster than this (soon to be) drunken sailor ever could.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:05pm |
Now, for a meatier Saudi-related scandal, check out the "Frontline" show titled "Black Money", about the BAE/Saudi bribery megascandal. Complete with the Saudis threatening Tony Blair with jihadist terrorism (implicitly) if he didn't call off the investigation; the fact that their threats WORKED; and the fact that Prince Bandar's legal representative in the US in none other than former FBI Director Louis Freeh.
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:08pm |
re: #87 Earth56
He was asking the king if he was losing any hair
Maybe the king had a hand buzzer and Obama's bowing in surprise.
////
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:26pm |
re: #76 Athens Runaway
All things considered, I'd rather have "going to sword dances", as opposed to "making gestures that appear to be bowing but we super-duper swear are not."
I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt, maybe he didn't know that presidents don't bow to their equals.
American don't bow to anyone.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:31pm |
re: #96 Charles
There's no difference. Both of those are examples of pandering to the Saudis.
And I absolutely guarantee that if Barack Obama had done a sword dance with Abdullah, or bowed to accept a medal from him, the screaming would be even more deafening.
What makes this slightly worse, IMHO, is that Obama is now trying to claim he didn't do what he so obviously did. Until then, both were on equal footing as equally bad.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:50:51pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
At least Bush didn't deny the sword dance.
It would have been hard, yes, since he was, unambiguously (and not very well) dancing. And he had a big honkin' sword in his hand.
| 107 |
Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:02pm |
re: #96 Charles
You're getting no disagreement from me here.
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:02pm |
re: #100 Bubblehead II
Spending it faster than this (soon to be) drunken sailor ever could.
Sailors stop drinking when they run out of money.... :)
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n2stox Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:06pm |
On the brighter side, I'm sure Obama will promise more to the Kingdom in exchange for his silly behavior. And in return, we'll get...nothing.
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:25pm |
re: #95 Sharmuta
I just want to know- what about the real issues in politics today that are going to have real consequences on my life and that of my family?
I get the feeling that the same bloggers making a big deal about the bow in the first place will no be typing furiously on the denial. Hence the denial become the new story. Rather tragic if you think about it.
| 112 |
FrogMarch Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:27pm |
re: #75 zombie
What's especially astounding is that if you watch the end closely, the dirty muck the ball picked up from the water was necessary to slow it down perfectly enough to go into the hole -- as if bouncing off the lake was an essential requirement to get the hole in one. If the ball was clean, it would have missed the hole!
Where was ESPN!?! Really amazingly amazing shot.
| 113 |
Soona' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:28pm |
re: #78 Iron Fist
I think there was something of a thumb in the eye towards the right wing about it, too. He was sending a message.
That has been my take. But why, all of a sudden, are they denying he did it?
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:51:30pm |
re: #98 Sharmuta
The WH wants us to discuss this instead of policy, where they're beyond weak.
I know - not to mention the fact that the media will repeat whatever they offer. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just commenting on the state of things.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:04pm |
re: #91 baier
Why focus on how he bowed to a king when he's stealing your wallet, your kid's wallet, and your grandchild's wallet
I'm not "focused" on it, I take notice of it. That does not cause me to forget the bigger issues, thanks very much.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:11pm |
re: #105 J.S.
Wonder if the MSM will pick it up NOW, eh? lol
Only as a distraction from policy. It's the shiny object, the silly monkey, the feint.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:29pm |
re: #89 Racer X
The White House thinks we are all really, really stupid, and will believe anything they say.
And apparently, based upon the election outcome, they're mostly right.
/
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:33pm |
re: #103 goddessoftheclassroom
American don't bow to anyone.
Congratulations on having the 7 millionth comment. I know its late.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:36pm |
Never mind the $900 million some odd dollars going to the palis!
What is mrs. 0bama wearing?! That's what's important. Focus! //
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:43pm |
re: #104 Honorary Yooper
What makes this slightly worse, IMHO, is that Obama is now trying to claim he didn't do what he so obviously did. Until then, both were on equal footing as equally bad.
Actually, it's an unnamed aide claiming this, not Obama himself.
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jdog29 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:45pm |
Why argue THIS point. He bowed and vowed not to be kowtowed.
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tryptic67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:52:56pm |
Is the meme here now that Obama (a) is telling the truth, so (b) there was no bow?
Sort of a replacement of the earlier theorem that (a) Obama did bow but (b) so what, every American president since JFK has bowed, metaphorically or not; and (c) Bush had a more profound bow.
Charlest, I seem to recall you commenting several days ago that you found the Obama bow reprehensible, but that it would be hypocritical to claim it was anything new or anything to get worked up about, particularly after GWB's handholding, sword dance and receiving a medal from Ibn Saud. Now with the last line in your post, however, it seems you're backing off saying it was a bow at all. That would seem to undercut your previous positions.
Would you mind clarifying if you think the Obama White House is correct or incorrect on saying it is a bow? Many thanks.
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:08pm |
It's obvious he bowed, or curtsy-ed, or whatever you want to call it. The joke of it is he clearly didn't know protocol and realize you don't bow to the oil ticks unless you're a subject.
Believe me, it was sickening enough seeing Bush pal around with these freaks as well.
But for Obama to try and deny this is just pathetic. Since the media gave him a pass, why even bring it up?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:16pm |
Whatever, it would seem that it would have been appropriate to make sure that the Saudi king HAD to look up to him. I doubt the Saudis would have made an issue of the fact that he was taller and DIDN'T bow down enough.
One should always take advantage of the natural advantages one has.
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MJBrutus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:17pm |
Bow wow wow! This administration lies like a dog. Anyone who has seen the video know perfectly well what a whopper this idiotic functionary is spewing.
I don't care whether it was Bush or the current Kiss-ass in chief, grovelling before royalty is ugly and demeaning to the US of A. Especially so when said royalty is a despotic, kleptocratic son of a bitch like "Abdullah the Great."
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Alouenghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:25pm |
Obama is not bowing; the King just told him his shoelaces were untied
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:25pm |
re: #118 unrealizedviewpoint
I think I'm to freely utilizing the "/"
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:31pm |
re: #104 Honorary Yooper
Remember, it's an aide, commenting without attribution.
Making the lie deniable? Who knows? I think certain things are reflexive in this administration.
Or do I mean recursive - we all end up looping around and can't find an exit from a really irritatingly stupid debate?
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:42pm |
re: #117 Honorary Yooper
Only as a distraction from policy. It's the shiny object, the silly monkey, the feint.
I'm afraid you're right. Me, I have the skill to seethe at several different issues simultaneously, but I would imagine most Americans can only seethe on one thing at a time buying Obama (and Congress) a whole week of cover with this story.
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:47pm |
*sigh* the mere fact that we are here day after day bitching about our government & our leaders for entertainment shows just how freakin broken the system is, & mark my words this O fellow and our current crop of congress critters may just actually bring change, but just not what they expected.
I feeel better now.
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:58pm |
re: #122 Charles
Actually, it's an unnamed aide claiming this, not Obama himself.
That's what I assumed. Of course some will take this as a direct quote.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:53:59pm |
re: #121 DEZes
Thats a WTF moment if I ever saw one.
That means they "changed" something in the Matrix.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:00pm |
re: #122 Charles
Actually, it's an unnamed aide claiming this, not Obama himself.
True, my bad. An aide in the administration.
IIRC, Bush and his aides never denied the sword dance, nor the bow for accepting the medal.
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Racer X Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:03pm |
I have watched both videos - Bush leaned over to have a medal placed around his neck. Doesn't mean Bush didn't pander to the Saudis - he did. In the context of the bow or not bow argument - Obama bowed like a servant.
That is MY opinion. I could be wrong but that is what I think right now.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:20pm |
re: #106 Dianna
It would have been hard, yes, since he was, unambiguously (and not very well) dancing. And he had a big honkin' sword in his hand.
Maybe he was just adjusting his shorts while holding a large letter opener.
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cpuller Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:34pm |
I think Obama just fell for the old "Hey look, your shoe is untied." That would have sounded a lot better.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:48pm |
By the way, to those who insisted (avanti, I think) that the Arab press had taken no notice of the potential symbolism, please note in Charles' link:
Interestingly, a columnist in the Saudi-backed Arabic paper Asharq Alawsat also took the gesture as a bow and appreciated the move.
"Obama wished to demonstrate his respect and appreciation of the personality of King Abdullah Bin Abdulazi...,
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:54:50pm |
re: #124 tryptic67
Would you mind clarifying if you think the Obama White House is correct or incorrect on saying it is a bow?
I don't know. What I am sure about is that the whole thing is completely ridiculous.
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FlightERDoc Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:07pm |
re: #93 researchok
Bowing to kings and queens is part of our culture. Explorers bowed to shaman, tribal chiefs and medicine men on almost every continent.
Kings are no longer deities.
Move on.
Not my culture. I'm an American....I bow to no prince or potentate.
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DEZes Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:20pm |
re: #135 NYCHardhat
That means they "changed" something in the Matrix.
I would have sworn there was a door on my house when I got home, hmmmmm.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:20pm |
re: #137 Racer X
I have watched both videos - Bush leaned over to have a medal placed around his neck. Doesn't mean Bush didn't pander to the Saudis - he did. In the context of the bow or not bow argument - Obama bowed like a servant.
That is MY opinion. I could be wrong but that is what I think right now.
Oh, you are NOT wrong!
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Archimedes Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:32pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
Insane! I have skipped rocks many times, but that is just amazing.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:35pm |
Okay, so it was an aide - why the anonymity? Any theories on that?
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:35pm |
no no no, he's just bending over to pick up his forged birth certificate guys
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rawmuse Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:44pm |
re: #101 Occasional Reader
I watched that last night but did not know what to make of it. For one thing, they had multiple interviews with Jimmah Cahter, so my BS meter was pegged right away.
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:57pm |
re: #117 Honorary Yooper
Indeed. Obama's entourage has just returned from Europe...need another distraction.
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windhorse Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:55:59pm |
Does this mean Obama won't bow to the Somali pirates then?
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:05pm |
re: #142 FlightERDoc
Not my culture. I'm an American....I bow to no prince or potentate.
I brake for chicks. (corny bumper sticker slogan part 1)
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n2stox Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:11pm |
Ok, he didn't bow. Did he inhale?
This has legs for satire, that's about it. Obama is quickly showing what his previous opponenet Hillary knew too well: we really can't afford on the job training at this level. It is glaring.
Just give the podium to Biden at this point, we already knew he is a kook and wouldn't be surprised by his screw ups.
Bowing isn't the illness, it is the symptom of the illness. One more piece of evidence that today's far left liberalism is a mental disorder.
I hope John Steward and Leno and all the rest of the folks I don't watch at least have the class to make countless jokes about this.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:15pm |
re: #96 Charles
There's no difference. Both of those are examples of pandering to the Saudis.
And I absolutely guarantee that if Barack Obama had done a sword dance with Abdullah, or bowed to accept a medal from him, the screaming would be even more deafening.
coming soon ... Obama declines to do the sword dance with abdullah, but offers a sword swallowing exhibition instead.
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Filala Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:17pm |
OT,
But its about Obama
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:18pm |
The only person I respect is Giuliani for sending back the $10 million in Saudi hush money after 9/11.
Everything else is pandering.
Obama calls himself a man of principle who seeks "social justice"? And then he goes and grants credibility to the most repressive regime on earth? The hypocrisy is so intense that it's threatening the fracture planet in two.
Obama should have REFUSED to even meet with the Saudi Despot.
I would only respect Obama if he stood in the Port of Long Beach with his arm outstretched, palm facing outward, and yelled to the supertanker captain,
"As your commander-in-chief, I order you to not dock! That oil is tainted with the blood of Americans, and stinks of oppression. Send that accursed oil back to that accursed desert!"
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kansas Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:23pm |
re: #146 capitalist piglet
Okay, so it was an aide - why the anonymity? Any theories on that?
Wants to see if it will get the loonies all ginned up again before he takes credit.
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:25pm |
re: #137 Racer X
I have watched both videos - Bush leaned over to have a medal placed around his neck. Doesn't mean Bush didn't pander to the Saudis - he did. In the context of the bow or not bow argument - Obama bowed like a servant.
That is MY opinion. I could be wrong but that is what I think right now.
Speaking of pandering to the Saudis. Whatever happened with the claims about Saudi involvement for the WTC attack? That seemed to have vanished into thin air right around 2004.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:27pm |
re: #147 SpaceJesus
We don't need any 'nirther shit here. Piss off, Spacejesus.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:39pm |
re: #147 SpaceJesus
no no no, he's just bending over to pick up his forged birth certificate guys
Please. Stop Talking.
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inoculate128 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:43pm |
He wasn't bowing, he just tripped over the teleprompter cord!
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:56:49pm |
re: #141 Charles
I don't know. What I am sure about is that the whole thing is completely ridiculous.
I hardly ever disagree with you. But I think Obama bowing like a servant is ridiculous.
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:13pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
Was that during the practice round?
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:30pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Maybe he was just adjusting his shorts while holding a large letter opener.
I like it!
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BatGuano Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:38pm |
Listening to Gibbs and "anonymous White House sources", I'm reminded of the 1975 Red Chinese song, "How I love to carry manure up the hill for the collective".
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:43pm |
It's difficult to explain to people who don't care how decisions in Washington really do affect their daily lives when they're not interested in paying attention.
Now we have to deal with this. Clear obfuscation and deflection- they don't want us to know about policy. If we did, we'd reject it. It's bad enough people don't pay attention, but for those who do pay attention, we're taking the bait.
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vagabond trader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:57:47pm |
re: #132 Iron Fist
The burl are gorgeous, yet the others look more utilitarian/practical.
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Dreader1962 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:00pm |
He bowed. It's not the end of our sovereignty.
I'm not playing their game.
Our response if someone from the left asks about this intending to goad their opponent is to point out the silence of the Obama administration on human rights in the Saudi kingdom (and while we're at it, throughout the Islamic world).
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Soona' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:24pm |
re: #98 Sharmuta
The WH wants us to discuss this instead of policy, where they're beyond weak.
I think the reason for the upset is that this is just another piece of evidence that fits into the overall policy puzzle. The zero has no love or attachment to the US or its Constitution. He's willing to give up everything this country stands for including its dignity.
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cpuller Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:31pm |
Has anyone heard or talked about how Obama's science advisor wants to seed clouds to combat global warming?
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Ojoe Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:40pm |
This all stinks, because a president who really understood what this country is about, would not even give the impression bowing.
Gaaaaaaaaaaa!
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:47pm |
re: #158 Honorary Yooper
We don't need any 'nirther shit here. Piss off, Spacejesus.
how does it feel to live a life devoid of what it means to identify and understand sarcasm?
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:52pm |
re: #146 capitalist piglet
Okay, so it was an aide - why the anonymity? Any theories on that?
So we can go round and round and get absolutely nowhere?
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:58:57pm |
re: #132 Iron Fist
OR,
These are the grips I'm thinking about buying after about a week of looking. They are $129, so if you wondered what hi-dollar grips looked like, well, these are medium dollar grips. I'm also considering a pair of these, Link. The Micarta are about half the price of the fine wood.
The first ones are very nice-looking... but seem pricey, I like rosewood ones just fine for $60. I can't open the second link, but that's because of the Net Nanny here at the office (guns are bad, you see... but Nanny for some reason didn't block the first link).
Anyway, it's a very personal thing, of course... I saw a gorgeous Wilson Combat M1911 the last time I was at the range, to which the owner had affixed pricey grips emblazoned with... the skull & crossbones symbol. Wouldn't have been my choice, but hey, it's not my gun!
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:02pm |
Good Lord, 30 minutes on the phone with a Repeater. I work with 2 of them. They'll run thru their entire problem non stop for a good 5-10 minutes, you'll give them a quick answer, and they thank you because they've got this problem, which they then lay out again for another 5-10 minutes. She was starting on a third pass when I faked an incoming call and hung up.
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:09pm |
I'm throwing this non-issue in the bin with "giving Brown DVDs that he can't play", "buying the Queen an iPod", "thinking Chirac was still the French President", etc. It's a non-starter, and a distraction. Symptom of a larger problem? Sure. Something to get upset about? Nope.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:15pm |
re: #137 Racer X
I have watched both videos - Bush leaned over to have a medal placed around his neck. Doesn't mean Bush didn't pander to the Saudis - he did. In the context of the bow or not bow argument - Obama bowed like a servant.
That is MY opinion. I could be wrong but that is what I think right now.
It is clearly a bow. You can see his left hand across his waist and it not bending over to pick up anything or looking down at his shoes. He bowed, and that is disgraceful to all the US citizen who died shrugging off the yoke of the a King. All the other morons who bowed as presidents are equally disgraceful. That is not to say they should especially if it is a mutual bowing event. I always thought there was a protocol person who advised on these things but apparently there is not. BHO is apparently no better or worse here, just lower. :)
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albusteve Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:17pm |
re: #161 unrealizedviewpoint
I hardly ever disagree with you. But I think Obama bowing like a servant is ridiculous.
the point is there is no substance to it...he did it and it's over...comments at this point mean nothing, I mean whats the point, you can't undo it and even he denies it...just more sureal bullshit...move on
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kansas Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:36pm |
re: #171 cpuller
Has anyone heard or talked about how Obama's science advisor wants to seed clouds to combat global warming?
Maybe that's why the bow thing is getting air time. Someone here has to know how much crap that is.
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:45pm |
Yup!
I'm no protocall expert ...nor do I want to be!
If that's not a bow I'm .... ah......ah ..........ah...
Teleprompter on the fritz AGAIN?
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traderjoe9 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 2:59:59pm |
re: #19 FlightERDoc
What, was the saudi king on the floor?
No kidding, since when does being "taller" than someone mean that they have to give a gesture like that. The White House is obviously just dancing around what was obviously a bow to royalty.
But he didn't bow to the other royalty in the house - the Queen.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:00:16pm |
re: #132 Iron Fist
By the way:
(melonite and ion bonding)
Wazzat?
(Isn't melonite the stuff the Chinese put in powdered milk? :P)
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MJBrutus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:01:05pm |
re: #182 albusteve
the point is there is no substance to it...he did it and it's over...comments at this point mean nothing, I mean whats the point, you can't undo it and even he denies it...just more sureal bullshit...move on
I see nothing wrong with bitching about the O's shameful display before moving on to weightier topics :-)
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vagabond trader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:01:25pm |
re: #171 cpuller
There's a story in the links, though it's so over the top ridiculous, I would not be surprised if it goes down the memory hole.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:01:42pm |
re: #171 cpuller
It's been repeated several times today, and if you read the actual report Holdren mentions the downside and not doing it except as a last resort.
Also, this idea of geo-engineering has been a hot topic in various circles the past year or so (even with experiments proposed), and thus it makes sense for the Science Advisor to be aware of it and the well discussed downsides.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:01:46pm |
The Birchers and Paulians are having a field day now in the Beck threads. Just banned a raving antisemite.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:01:56pm |
re: #163 Iron Fist
A very good point.
We're still getting led around like a little calf with a ring in its nose on this, though.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:03pm |
Obama can make it up to me if the next time he meets Abdullah (and sadly, yes, there will be a next time), he grabs him in a headlock and gives him a "noogie".
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:09pm |
re: #182 albusteve
the point is there is no substance to it...he did it and it's over...comments at this point mean nothing, I mean whats the point, you can't undo it and even he denies it...just more sureal bullshit...move on
Of course right, and I should leave YMedad alone too. But...
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kansas Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:17pm |
re: #187 MJBrutus
I see nothing wrong with bitching about the O's shameful display before moving on to weightier topics :-)
I try to move on, but they keep pulling me back in.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:39pm |
I will be a happy man when more than just my lgf friends see through Obama's bullshit.
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:52pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:55pm |
re: #169 Soona'
I think the reason for the upset is that this is just another piece of evidence that fits into the overall policy puzzle. The zero has no love or attachment to the US or its Constitution. He's willing to give up everything this country stands for including its dignity.
We just busted an Iranian arms ring, and were discussing 'a bow or not a bow'.
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yesandno Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:02:57pm |
Except when you look at the film, he grasps the Kings hand just before the bow and the King had raised his hand up, so don't buy it.
If I remember correctly the Queen was even shorter and he walked right up to her and took her hand when offered.
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n2stox Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:08pm |
re: #180 Athens Runaway
I'm throwing this non-issue in the bin with "giving Brown DVDs that he can't play", "buying the Queen an iPod", "thinking Chirac was still the French President", etc. It's a non-starter, and a distraction. Symptom of a larger problem? Sure. Something to get upset about? Nope.
Add those to:
America invented the automobile
No one that makes under $250k will see their taxes go up.
Iran is not a threat.
Today is the day the oceans' rise begins to slow, and the world begins to heal.
Let's open the doors to Gitmo and give the detainees welfare.
Yeah, I'd call it a symptom of a much larger problem.
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avanti Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:13pm |
The aide is full of crap, it was a bow. Might have been unconscious, out of nervousness, or on purpose, but a sure enough bow. It was in fact a crappy bow, and as has been pointed out, sadly SOP for recent Presidents.
It's a non issue, but does keep attention off more important issues.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:14pm |
re: #180 Athens Runaway
"thinking Chirac was still the French President"
I missed that one.
Oh, dear. Did he really?
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:16pm |
re: #168 Dreader1962
I saw that the body count of foreigners for 2009 was already up to 20.
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windhorse Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:22pm |
wow - I think the "bowing" video has been removed from You Tube....
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:22pm |
re: #163 Iron Fist
Here we go, the Sword Dance thread:
Video: Bush Does the Sword Dance
A lot of non-complimentary comments toward George Bush for it. The first one is by Shug, calling Bush a dhimmi. They go from there. A fair number of deletions are there as well.
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tryptic67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:24pm |
re: #141 Charles
I don't know. What I am sure about is that the whole thing is completely ridiculous.
I'm gobsmacked.
Inigo Montoya: Who are you?
Westley: No one of consequence.
Inigo Montoya: I must know...
Westley: Get used to disappointment.
Inigo Montoya: 'kay.
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:03:58pm |
re: #193 unrealizedviewpoint
Of course right, and I should leave YMedad alone too. But...
His playing dumb today was rather pathetic.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:03pm |
re: #192 Occasional Reader
Ok, that would make be feel better. Ahhhhh. Whooooshaaawww
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:17pm |
re: #176 SpaceJesus
how does it feel to live a life devoid of what it means to identify and understand sarcasm?
Your brand of sarcasm is nothing more than ding whoring.
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vagabond trader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:44pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:45pm |
re: #206 tryptic67
I'm gobsmacked.
Inigo Montoya: Who are you?
Westley: No one of consequence.
Inigo Montoya: I must know...
Westley: Get used to disappointment.
Inigo Montoya: 'kay.
You have no idea how crushed I am by your disappointment.
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n2stox Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:50pm |
re: #196 NYCHardhat
I will be a happy man when more than just my lgf friends see through Obama's bullshit.
Help is on the way. Slowly, but surely, you'll get what you ask.
My liberal mom tells me the other day "Obama scares the shit out of me."
And she recently bought a handgun and goes to the range with me.
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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:50pm |
re: #120 Sharmuta $900 million. Whoop tee doo. Italy is getting $50 thousand of our hard earned money! Italy? WTF?///////
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:51pm |
re: #176 SpaceJesus
In your case, no one cares, I'm afraid.
Even if you meant to be funny, we're sure you're stirring up trouble for later.
Oh...wait! You are! It's a two-fer!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:04:52pm |
re: #190 Charles
The Birchers and Paulians are having a field day now in the Beck threads. Just banned a raving antisemite.
Tea Party oppressor! Tyrant!
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albusteve Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:05:45pm |
re: #207 JammieWearingFool
His playing dumb today was rather pathetic.
his whole gig is pathetic...it will be his downfall when it becomes fashionable to pick him apart and the MSM is already cooling off a bit...imo
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itellu3times Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:05:45pm |
What else does he deny doing to the Saudi king?
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:05:53pm |
re: #212 n2stox
Help is on the way. Slowly, but surely, you'll get what you ask.
My liberal mom tells me the other day "Obama scares the shit out of me."
And she recently bought a handgun and goes to the range with me.
I loved all four sentences.
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traderjoe9 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:01pm |
re: #141 Charles
I don't know. What I am sure about is that the whole thing is completely ridiculous.
Assuming that Obama's gesture did in fact qualify as a bow, wouldn't it be - rather than a simple mistake - a very glaring mistake considering he didn't bow to the other royalty in the house, the Queen?
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:03pm |
re: #190 Charles
The Birchers and Paulians are having a field day now in the Beck threads. Just banned a raving antisemite.
GOOD!
I happen to be pro cement!
Very handy stuff!
oops!
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:06pm |
re: #202 Occasional Reader
I missed that one too...wonder if there's any evidence that Obama mistook the French Prez for Chirac? ?
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ciaospirit Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:31pm |
Anonymously speaking, the King is either 3 foot 9 or his hands hang below his knees for that excuse to work.
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snellenr Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:33pm |
Evidently, Obama is a Motie and King Abdullah is his Fyunch(click)...
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:06:47pm |
re: #176 SpaceJesus
how does it feel to live a life devoid of what it means to identify and understand sarcasm?
All you do is piss people off. You add no value. Please stop. For the good of the group.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:07:44pm |
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:07:56pm |
In Japan, bowing has great significance.
First of all, you are pretty much required to bow in formal occasions. However, the bow you give to your superior must be lower than the bow he gives to you. That's why people like CEOs and heads of state give barely perceptible bows, because if they bowed deeply, they'd compel everyone to break their backs trying to go lower.
But this system can get very touchy in situations where superiority is not obvious. If two heads of state meet, who bows lower? I think the custom is carefully calibrate the bows to be equal.
Now, my belief is that this attittude is common to every culture, even ours -- it's only been formalized in Japan. I think Americans wouldn't mind a little bow to a foreign leader, but only if the foregin leader bowed back at least as deeply.
What many people apparently saw was the Obama bowed/dipped/whatever lower than the King, which means he was projecting America's inferiority. Even if this was unconscious on Obama's part, it still stings the national psyche.
Sword dances, pinky-finger carressing don't have the same connotation. And when Bush lowered his head for the medal, he was still above the Saudi king.
That's why this resonates with the public, whatever word one uses to describe Obama's posture.
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:08:31pm |
re: #202 Occasional Reader
I missed that one.
Oh, dear. Did he really?
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:08:33pm |
re: #171 cpuller
Has anyone heard or talked about how Obama's science advisor wants to seed clouds to combat global warming?
It will be interesting to see how this guy's suggestion is greeted. Ideas like that have been floated by Global Warming skeptics, IIRC, along the lines of, "okay, if it's this huge crisis like you say, why don't we try to directly address it?". Look for those whose real "global warming" agenda is economic control to slap this down; ditto the quasi-religious Greenies who see "global warming" as divine punishment by Gaia for our sins (driving SUVs, etc.).
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:09:22pm |
re: #222 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
GOOD!
I happen to be pro cement!
Very handy stuff!
oops!
Don't forget the chicken wire.
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avanti Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:09:44pm |
re: #202 Occasional Reader
I missed that one.
Oh, dear. Did he really?
No he did not, the report got it wrong.
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itellu3times Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:09:46pm |
re: #171 cpuller
Has anyone heard or talked about how Obama's science advisor wants to seed clouds to combat global warming?
He wants to grow grass in the sky?
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:10:13pm |
re: #213 UberInfidel67
$900 million. Whoop tee doo. Italy is getting $50 thousand of our hard earned money! Italy? WTF?///////
I'd rather give the Italian earthquake survivors millions than the palis a dime.
But never mind that- did you know 0bama watches HBO?
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:10:41pm |
re: #229 NYCHardhat
All you do is piss people off. You add no value. Please stop. For the good of the group.
Oh, I apologize for posting my opinions in the opinion section of a public internet blog my lord nychardhat, king of cutting-edge political discourse and witty reparte.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:10:41pm |
re: #119 NYCHardhat
You're very kind! I've had a little grin all day!
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calcajun Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:11:13pm |
re: #235 Dianna
Don't forget the chicken wire.
or else you could get really stucco and that can be aggregating
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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:11:18pm |
re: #239 Sharmuta
I wonder what Michelle is wearing today?
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BatGuano Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:11:18pm |
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:11:25pm |
re: #238 Dianna
And on the gripping hand?
Can we send some Sauron Super Soldiers in as long as we're going there?
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:11:45pm |
re: #221 traderjoe9
To bow or not to bow, that is the question. Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the emails and mean looks of outrageous fortune or to ignore them and by doing so slip into obscurity and sleep. To bow or deny, porchance to deny and have some underling deny for me or do it myself. Aye there is the rub, for in that chance to deny what investigations might come.
My shot at Mr Shake-allah-spear.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:12:09pm |
re: #234 Occasional Reader
It will be interesting to see how this guy's suggestion is greeted. Ideas like that have been floated by Global Warming skeptics, IIRC, along the lines of, "okay, if it's this huge crisis like you say, why don't we try to directly address it?". Look for those whose real "global warming" agenda is economic control to slap this down; ditto the quasi-religious Greenies who see "global warming" as divine punishment by Gaia for our sins (driving SUVs, etc.).
I have a friend who suggests using a few nukes to set off some volcanoes if things get too warm.
Personally, this seems like overkill, but hey.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:12:29pm |
re: #232 zombie
In Japan, bowing has great significance.
Also, the hand can be used like a knife. But this method doesn't work with a tomato.
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DEZes Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:12:41pm |
re: #241 goddessoftheclassroom
You're very kind! I've had a little grin all day!
I know it made the top of the top 10 comments.
I would have paid real money to have seen your face.
;)
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:12:51pm |
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rhino2 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:10pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
I believe thats the "skipping contest" portion of the practice rounds on hole 16, so the skipping across the pond was the point, the hole-in-one just makes it that much more awesome.
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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:25pm |
He wasn't bowing. He was reaching down to pet the King's favorite goat...you just cant see it in the shot.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:35pm |
re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Can we send some Sauron Super Soldiers in as long as we're going there?
We need a good recruiting video.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:44pm |
re: #247 Dianna
I have a friend who suggests using a few nukes to set off some volcanoes if things get too warm.
Personally, this seems like overkill, but hey.
Anything involving nuking volcanoes should be tried at least once! That's the way I look at it.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:46pm |
re: #247 Dianna
I have a friend who suggests using a few nukes to set off some volcanoes if things get too warm.
Personally, this seems like overkill, but hey.
Well, the virgins haven't been working.
I suspect a quality issue.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:13:56pm |
re: #207 JammieWearingFool
His playing dumb today was rather pathetic.
I find his disconnected writings pathetic.
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Bloodnok Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:03pm |
I think that by now Obama's handlers know that all he has to do is appear in public without a flag pin, or make a head fake towards not doing something patriotic that he can retract later on and a segment of the right will froth about it for 2-3 days. It's misdirection.
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:10pm |
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nyc redneck Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:16pm |
re: #243 UberInfidel67
I wonder what Michelle is wearing today?
actually the question is, 'what clothes are wearing her?'
(too bad she doesn't understand subtlety. )
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danrudy Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:19pm |
I watched the video...it was either a bow or he was reading somehing on the kings pants belt buckle
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:14:30pm |
re: #251 OldLineTexan
But we can still diss Bush, right?
Did we ever stop? After amnesty? After the sword dance?
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:04pm |
Expect this news to launch a round of screaming that Barack Obama is lying
Can we please start focusing on issues instead of fluff? This Administration has proposed a budget which
quadruples
the Federal deficit this year, with the claim that next year it will "cut the deficit in half." These gargantuan deficits grow larger and larger and larger in each of the next ten years, no matter whose projections you look at. Projected deficits over the next eight years will exceed the total of all the deficits the United States has ever run, combined. The percentage of the Federal Budget relative to GNP is projected to surge from around 8% to over 15% over the same period.
This is madness. It must be stopped. Quite quibbling over trivia like his cheap suit and hallucinations over whether he bowed or not. It isn't worth it, it won't ever gain any traction except amongst those already rabidly opposed to Obama in the first place, and in the end it just won't accomplish anything useful except making Glenn Beck look like a calm, thoughtful and rational thinker.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:11pm |
So Dianna, turning to the important questions; what kind of grips do you have on your Kimbers?
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:17pm |
re: #257 OldLineTexan
More a rarity issue IMHO....
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:28pm |
re: #257 OldLineTexan
Well, the virgins haven't been working.
I suspect a quality issue.
Um.
That's because the virgins are to keep the volcano peaceful.
"Magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."
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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:37pm |
re: #262 danrudy
Maybe the King wears a great big western style Elvis belt buckle?
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:46pm |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
Also, the hand can be used like a knife. But this method doesn't work with a tomato.
I was reaching for my wallet just watching that. I'm convinced! I want one!
Most effective ad ever.
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tryptic67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:52pm |
re: #211 Charles
You have no idea how crushed I am by your disappointment.
Nevertheless, I hope we both can agree that Inigo Montoya is one of Mandy Patinkin's finest roles.
Pax ... I respect you too much to continue jaw-jawing about it since its clear we so fundamentally disagree. Thanks for letting me contribute in my own modest way to your blog comments.
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NYCHardhat Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:53pm |
re: #240 SpaceJesus
Oh, I apologize for posting my opinions in the opinion section of a public internet blog my lord nychardhat, king of cutting-edge political discourse and witty reparte.
Opinions are like assholes. Apparently, yours stinks.
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captdiggs Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:15:53pm |
This really is a non issue, a diversion from the serious flaws in the new administration.
But in this case, he did bow. Video proves that.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:16:09pm |
re: #263 Dianna
Did we ever stop? After amnesty? After the sword dance?
I'm just checking; it's so hard to keep up. I ain't jeebus, you know.
/
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albusteve Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:16:24pm |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
Also, the hand can be used like a knife. But this method doesn't work with a tomato.
SEE THROUGH BREAD!....I'm gonna get some for my house girl
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:16:40pm |
re: #269 Dianna
Um.
That's because the virgins are to keep the volcano peaceful.
"Magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."
You mean they weren't just liars.
/oh dear
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:16:54pm |
Some nice words from Amit Ghate:
[Link: amitghate.blogspot.com...]
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:08pm |
re: #269 Dianna
Um.
That's because the virgins are to keep the volcano peaceful.
"Magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."
all 72 of em?
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debutaunt Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:16pm |
re: #41 Occasional Reader
And by the way... no, I'm not going in for some nutty conspiracy theory about Obama's bow being intended to signify his obeisance to Wahabi Islam or something like that. I think it was just a demonstration of his Amateur Hour protocol, erm, difficulties.
Protocol? He and his team seem to be totally against it.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:21pm |
re: #274 NYCHardhat
Opinions are like assholes. Apparently, yours stinks.
thats because he nevers washes his left hand and he is all out of smooth rocks
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:28pm |
re: #264 Iron Fist
Leave to you to turn this into a gun thread.........right when
I have to go !
*pimf*
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albusteve Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:40pm |
re: #258 unrealizedviewpoint
I find his disconnected writings pathetic.
ha....earlier I thought you were talking about BO...duh!
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:55pm |
re: #232 zombie
A day or so ago, I posted quotes and links to websites such as ContitutionFacts.com (etc), which notes that the protocol for Presidents not to bow to royalty was set by President Jefferson...(also rounded up some trivia about American customs -- this was for the benefit of any non American posters who don't "get it" -- especially those from the UK, etc.) Anyway, I came across some interesting tidbits of info -- including some from anthropology scholars who've researched greetings, "kowtowing", etc., -- and I came across where the term "kowtow" comes from...yikes...I'll skip the scholarly article, here's a Wiki link...in the event you've not come across this...Thank G-d for the United States of America! Land of the Free!)
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:55pm |
re: #280 brookly red
all 72 of em?
If I had 72, my intent would be to try to make one round without stopping or dying.
/
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:17:58pm |
re: #264 Iron Fist
The former is how Glock finishes their steel parts (at least that is what I was told)
Interesting. I read a column by Mas Ayoob, in which he said that among the many cops wading around in the post-Katrina brackish waters in New Orleans, Glocks held up far better than any other pistol in terms of resisting rust or fouling.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:18:03pm |
re: #266 SixDegrees
Easy up on the cheap vodka pal. I and I think others are just taking a break from the reality that is this administration. So take another shot, sit back cause the reality show will be back on in a minute. Love ya brother.
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Orangutan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:18:17pm |
Insert something about a kid and a naked emporer here.
Except, the fabled emporer, when caught, admitted it and moved on. Caught in the back end of this little fable is one of the great secrets of true leadership....that admitting the flub is much more powerful than denying it.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:18:24pm |
re: #267 Occasional Reader
So Dianna, turning to the important questions; what kind of grips do you have on your Kimbers?
I kept the standards that came with my Eclipse II. I talked to a gunsmith, and he adjusted them the slightest bit, but that's it.
I've got a big hand for a woman, so the grip is good for me. Even working in pistoleer/duelist stance, one handed, I have no problem.
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zombie Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:19:06pm |
re: #275 captdiggs
This really is a non issue, a diversion from the serious flaws in the new administration.
But in this case, he did bow. Video proves that.[Video]
The video also shows that the "two handed" handshake explanation is false.
Freeze this video at 17 seconds, you can see Obama's left hand by his knee as he bows and shakes the Kings hand with his right.
Case closed.
Good catch!
Whichever flak came up with the "two-handed handshake" explanation was indeed lying.
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yesandno Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:19:09pm |
re: #243 UberInfidel67
I wonder what Michelle is wearing today?
I say it's sleeveless....what ya think!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:19:48pm |
re: #271 zombie
I was reaching for my wallet just watching that. I'm convinced! I want one!
Most effective ad ever.
If I'm not mistaken, they're still made and sold.
Anyway, off to pick up car from shop (which will involve my own personal stimulus package to auto-related industries, unfortunately).
Later.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:20:02pm |
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quickjustice Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:20:48pm |
As the first U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James, John Adams bowed repeatedly to King George III. And I have no doubt that other U.S. Presidents have groveled for various foreign dignitaries.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:21:08pm |
re: #282 OldLineTexan
thats because he nevers washes his left hand and he is all out of smooth rocks
good thing I have a printer, and your posts
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:21:47pm |
re: #290 Dianna
I kept the standards that came with my Eclipse II. I talked to a gunsmith, and he adjusted them the slightest bit, but that's it.
I've got a big hand for a woman, so the grip is good for me. Even working in pistoleer/duelist stance, one handed, I have no problem.
Yay! I carry an Ultra CDP (3"). Love my Kimbers...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:22pm |
re: #279 Charles
Lately he's suggested that Glenn Beck's apocalyptic and over-the-top sensationalism are a disservice to serious Republicans.
Are there any left?
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jcm Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:49pm |
re: #190 Charles
The Birchers and Paulians are having a field day now in the Beck threads. Just banned a raving antisemite.
Antisemite's shall be smitten from the record!
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avanti Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:54pm |
re: #279 Charles
Some nice words from Amit Ghate:
[Link: amitghate.blogspot.com...]
Good for you, there was this guy that has Beck problems too. (apologizes if old news)
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debutaunt Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:58pm |
re: #256 Occasional Reader
Anything involving nuking volcanoes should be tried at least once! That's the way I look at it.
Mt. St. Helens - 4th of July.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:22:58pm |
It seems to me that the person suffering most from the "Obama Derangement Syndrome" is the man himself.
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albusteve Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:06pm |
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:10pm |
I'd love to get thru to Rush or Sean and rip them on this GM
offer..."We'll make your car payment (up to 500) for 9 months"
Bullshit.....Where do those clowns think that money
came from...Huuumm?
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:20pm |
re: #300 SpaceJesus
and the texas flag
Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:23pm |
re: #299 SpaceJesus
good thing I have a printer, and your posts
you could use some education I can tell keep reading you may accidentally learn something I understand even solid lead has been penetrated if the bits are small enough and fast moving enough so I will try to help you out as much as I can no need to thank me I like to help out the young and ignorant as much as I can especially for free
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:30pm |
re: #301 Noam Chumpski
Yay! I carry an Ultra CDP (3"). Love my Kimbers...
Best gun I've ever used. I'm going to get one for my Male, at some point.
If ever I move somewhere where I can carry openly, I'm going to shop extensively until I find a holster that flatters my Eclipse - it's such a pretty gun!
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J.S. Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:40pm |
re: #297 quickjustice
No. The practice of bowing was stopped by Thomas Jefferson. Look it up.
I'm now off. Have a good evening everyone!
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MJBrutus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:52pm |
re: #292 yesandno
I say it's sleeveless....what ya think!
Definitely. I can't get enough of those arms, how about you?
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:23:56pm |
re: #305 debutaunt
Hold on there dude, I live near there lets just back away from the Mad Dog 20-20 and put the nuke down.
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opnion Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:07pm |
He bowed. I have seen this now from two different angles, he bowed.
If it is no big deal, why is the White House in denial?
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:12pm |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
Are there any left?
We'll know we're at the end of the line when Michael Steele has to apologize to Glenn Beck.
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:21pm |
re: #77 Zimriel
Here's Drudge, on what Obama hasn't been talking about so prominently:
US to take part in group talks with Iran...
RUSSIA SAYS: Iran poses no threat to USA...
Iran set to say mastering final stage of enrichment...
...Moscow opposes sanctions against NKorea over rocket launchWe've had our fill of Birch'ers, Beck'ers, and buttocks these last few days. I agree with Sharm; Obama is hoping to keep the Right distracted by provoking the troofers.
Whether it's intentional or not, I certainly can't blame him for taking advantage of what's handed to him. And you're absolutely right - the issues listed here are real, honest issues that need to be debated and addressed.
I don't mind at all yukking it up over Obama in informal settings like this blog. But letting this clubroom chatter spill over into public discourse is wrong, wrong, wrong. Thanks to Glenn Beck's increasingly prominent freak show, it will be harder than ever to get people to take anything emanating from a conservative source seriously. Adding to that lunacy by broadcasting it beyond the level of sniggering jokes and treating it more seriously than than the issues above, the massive deficits being railroaded through Congress and other matters that are actually important will lead Joe Average, hearing that a Conservative parted their lips, to shrug dismissively and turn away without even hearing, on the assumption that it's just more drivel being spewed.
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doppelganglander Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:25pm |
re: #300 SpaceJesus
and the texas flag
I didn't know the community college was on spring break this week.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:26pm |
re: #300 SpaceJesus
and the texas flag
use a cotton one you will irritate your cheeks with that nylon again another free tip from me no charge because I like you you remind me of someone I met at a zoo once maybe your grandpa
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debutaunt Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:37pm |
re: #267 Occasional Reader
So Dianna, turning to the important questions; what kind of grips do you have on your Kimbers?
You and your sex talk.
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:44pm |
re: #315 opnion
He bowed. I have seen this now from two different angles, he bowed.
If it is no big deal, why is the White House in denial?
If they can keep us busy with the bow, we wont notice what else they're up to.
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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:24:47pm |
First car of the Obama Administration:
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:08pm |
re: #311 Dianna
Best gun I've ever used. I'm going to get one for my Male, at some point.
If ever I move somewhere where I can carry openly, I'm going to shop extensively until I find a holster that flatters my Eclipse - it's such a pretty gun!
Would you speak to Mrs. Loader.........Please......
For an upding?
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:12pm |
re: #311 Dianna
Best gun I've ever used. I'm going to get one for my Male, at some point.
If ever I move somewhere where I can carry openly, I'm going to shop extensively until I find a holster that flatters my Eclipse - it's such a pretty gun!
What state are you in?
Check these holsters (they're going to open up for new orders soon):
[Link: www.brigadegunleather.com...]
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Dr. Shalit Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:24pm |
Charles -
Give Team Obama credit. They understand that the stove of political heat is UP on this one. Cute spin, President Obama IS Taller, also with longer arms.
Stand back and reach out.
Thankfully, outside of "rarefied circles" - most of the rest of the USA consider the "Saudi" Regime to be about as welcome as ants at picnics. Good call USA.
-S-
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:36pm |
re: #316 Gus 802
We'll know we're at the end of the line when Michael Steele has to apologize to Glenn Beck.
Didn't the Mayans predict that?
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:41pm |
re: #257 OldLineTexan
Well, the virgins haven't been working.
I suspect a quality issue.
The "Parade of Virgins" has to be canceled. One has a headache, and the other one refuses to march alone.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:50pm |
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quickjustice Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:50pm |
re: #297 quickjustice
I don't care for it, but I'm certain it has happened repeatedly. Wasn't it Adams who paid off the Barbary Pirates, and Jefferson who built the legendary "six frigates" to protect American commerce?
"Millions for defense, and no one cent for tribute!"
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DEZes Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:25:53pm |
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:04pm |
re: #322 UberInfidel67
I thought they were going with that environmentally friendly Italian design, the Runzonli Downhill
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:05pm |
re: #324 Noam Chumpski
What state are you in?
Check these holsters (they're going to open up for new orders soon):
[Link: www.brigadegunleather.com...]
California - and thanks!
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MJ Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:14pm |
David Pryce Jones, who wrote one of the great books on Arabs, The Closed Circle, has weighed in on the Obama bow to the Saudi king:
Obama and the King
[Link: pryce-jones.nationalreview.com...]
Definitely worth the short read.
And, Obama did bow.
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:23pm |
re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wasn't that "The Jerk"
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Cognito Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:36pm |
A prayer for Roxana Saberi, in Iran.
As well as Euna Lee and Laura Ling, in North Korea.
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:39pm |
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Gus Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:26:45pm |
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:27pm |
re: #323 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
Would you speak to Mrs. Loader.........Please......
For an upding?
I'll speak to her, and I don't need a bribe.
What would you like her to discuss with me? Guns? I'd love to!
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yesandno Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:33pm |
re: #313 MJBrutus
Definitely. I can't get enough of those arms, how about you?
I thought the Obama administration was against arms....trying to reduce them, doing away with them......
Soon, poor Michelle will be armless.....but the Iranians and North Koreans will have spares...
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Kragarghazi Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:39pm |
re: #335 ConservatismNow!
Wasn't that "The Jerk"
I always thought it was pronounced Space Hey-Zeus, but I guess that works too.
(yes, it was)
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:43pm |
re: #333 Dianna
Ya'll need to move.....oh... about 400 mile east!
Just sayin!
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:27:50pm |
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USBeast Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:28:01pm |
re: #300 SpaceJesus
and the texas flag
You really don't have a clue, do ya? You mistake unbridled sarcasm for wit, criticism for insult and insult for defensive strategy. My guess is you are 14 years old (17 tops) and have never read a book you weren't assigned to read in school. If I am mistaken in my analysis, you need some serious help.
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:28:30pm |
re: #342 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
Ya'll need to move.....oh... about 400 mile east!
Just sayin!
Keep driving until someone serves you sweet tea...
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:28:37pm |
re: #339 Dianna
Great! Now I got a crush...blink,blink!
LOL
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doppelganglander Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:28:48pm |
Just what we need.
Has power grid been hacked? U.S. won't say
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. concerns about the potential for cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure extended to the American electrical power grid on Wednesday and experts pointed the finger anew at Chinese hackers, among others.U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told reporters the power grid is vulnerable to potentially disabling computer attacks, while declining to comment on reports that an intrusion had taken place.
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opnion Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:29:00pm |
re: #321 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they can keep us busy with the bow, we wont notice what else they're up to.
That's a good point, but the White House did not create the conversatrion & really most people are not aware of the incident.
I just trhink that it goes to Obamas character. It is not going to save GM or impact the economy in any way.
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:29:17pm |
re: #346 Noam Chumpski
Only far enough to see Nevada in the rearview mirror!
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:29:17pm |
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:29:28pm |
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Dianna Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:30:47pm |
re: #353 brookly red
you say that as if it was a bad thing...
Discretion suddenly appeals to me. Why, I couldn't quite say.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:30:56pm |
re: #344 USBeast
You really don't have a clue, do ya? You mistake unbridled sarcasm for wit, criticism for insult and insult for defensive strategy. My guess is you are 14 years old (17 tops) and have never read a book you weren't assigned to read in school. If I am mistaken in my analysis, you need some serious help.
What makes you think he read what he was assigned?
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BatGuano Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:01pm |
re: #300 SpaceJesus
and the texas flag
I just added another down ding since you're collecting them. No, don't thank me.
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opnion Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:16pm |
re: #325 Dr. Shalit
Charles -
Give Team Obama credit. They understand that the stove of political heat is UP on this one. Cute spin, President Obama IS Taller, also with longer arms.
Stand back and reach out.
Thankfully, outside of "rarefied circles" - most of the rest of the USA consider the "Saudi" Regime to be about as welcome as ants at picnics. Good call USA.-S-
I agree with you, he was not shaking hands with a Munckin.
That was a very pronounced bow. One can argue that it doesn't matter, but I don't know how one could argue that it didn't happen.
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jcm Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:42pm |
re: #324 Noam Chumpski
What state are you in?
Check these holsters (they're going to open up for new orders soon):
[Link: www.brigadegunleather.com...]
Sweet, bookmarked!
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Soona' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:43pm |
re: #253 UberInfidel67
He wasn't bowing. He was reaching down to pet the King's favorite goat...you just cant see it in the shot.
It looks to me like he's telling the king that his fly is down.
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:34pm |
re: #361 Dianna
Goodnight!
But you'll still be in California............
"duck"
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:40pm |
re: #349 Iron Fist
If the goddamn fucking cat won't fuck this post up I will resond to you. The fucking cat's life is getting shorter as we speak.
Let me try this again. That is the kind of stuff that sold me on the Melenite finish and the ion bonding. I can't convert the weapon to stainless, but I can make it as nice as I can. I'll be interested in seeing what comes out of the process. I'll have more invested in the finish, et al, than I do the gun. If everything comes out looking right, I'll go with Wicked Grips for a treally artwork set of grips. They are the best that I've seen so far.
It'll cost me money, but it is in a good cause :-)
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USBeast Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:42pm |
re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom
What makes you think he read what he was assigned?
Where did I assert that he did his school assignments?
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:33:26pm |
re: #356 Dianna
Discretion suddenly appeals to me. Why, I couldn't quite say.
well, as I was sayin the other night, some things just not be posted.
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Right mind left Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:33:42pm |
re: #348 doppelganglander
Just what we need.
They won't say because the fear of a breach furthers their cybersecurity czar legislation and makes it easier to pass when they are back in session...these things have been "going on for years" if you read the writeups. The dept of homeland continues to deal with these issues, so it is nothing new. The hoopla is, however, and I suspect it has everything to do with pending legislation. Fear stops people from asking questions when they are trying to pass something that takes freedom away in the name of "national security".
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:33:50pm |
So I got a notice from the Census 2010 folks yesterday. Says "You are required by law to provide the information requested". WTF? So I looked up the listed Title 13 and listed sections. There are a lot of them so I am still researching but so far nothing that says I am required to provide anything other than that I exist as a person by saying "I live here".
Any thoughts there?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:13pm |
re: #368 brookly red
well, as I was sayin the other night, some things just not be posted.
I say go for broke cry havoc and let loose the kittehs of war
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:35:11pm |
re: #370 the1sgjohns
Could cost you some stimulus?
Sorry !that could be read as racist.....I apologize!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:35:21pm |
Re: Census
which way do you plant an ACORN?
/
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:35:45pm |
re: #367 USBeast
Where did I assert that he did his school assignments?
You wrote that he "[has] never read a book [he wasn't] assigned to read in school," and I took that to mean that what little he has read was that which was assigned. I wouldn't even supposes that.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:36:19pm |
re: #372 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
Nah! your good brother (or sister)
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:36:56pm |
re: #373 OldLineTexan
Actually I planted garlic and onion facing North.
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Noam Chumpski Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:37:56pm |
re: #370 the1sgjohns
So I got a notice from the Census 2010 folks yesterday. Says "You are required by law to provide the information requested". WTF? So I looked up the listed Title 13 and listed sections. There are a lot of them so I am still researching but so far nothing that says I am required to provide anything other than that I exist as a person by saying "I live here".
Any thoughts there?
My only thoughts are that if you live in a conservative area then mark down... say, 50 people live there. :)
/joke...
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USBeast Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:06pm |
re: #374 goddessoftheclassroom
You wrote that he "[has] never read a book [he wasn't] assigned to read in school," and I took that to mean that what little he has read was that which was assigned. I wouldn't even supposes that.
I was merely (and perhaps over-generously) giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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BatGuano Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:07pm |
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:49pm |
re: #377 Noam Chumpski
So I could get additional funding then? Hmm, me thinks there is something afoot or ahand or ahead.
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Dr. Shalit Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:58pm |
re: #373 OldLineTexan
Re: Census
which way do you plant an ACORN?
/
Old Line Texan -
Their way - BASS ACKWARDS. That is all.
-S-
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brookly red Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:39:19pm |
re: #373 OldLineTexan
Re: Census
which way do you plant an ACORN?
/
tis the ACORN that plants you...
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Olderthandirt Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:39:42pm |
Gen'l De Gaulle stood tall when meeting others; he was about 6'4" in height. I'm not aware of his bowing to any man, perhaps to a lovely woman but certainly not to a king or other potentate.
Perhaps our new president has learned a lesson from this hubbub and will apply such when meeting other such heads of state, remaining straight and upright at all times; GWATCWR. Perhaps this should be put into the ever-present POTUS Teleprompter.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:39:59pm |
re: #379 BatGuano
It said enbedding disabled by request. :( Did I do something there?
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Soona' Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:01pm |
re: #370 the1sgjohns
So I got a notice from the Census 2010 folks yesterday. Says "You are required by law to provide the information requested". WTF? So I looked up the listed Title 13 and listed sections. There are a lot of them so I am still researching but so far nothing that says I am required to provide anything other than that I exist as a person by saying "I live here".
Any thoughts there?
The last census that was taken (Clinton years) the questionaire had so many personal and unrelated questions that it totally disgusted me. All I did was put down my name and address and sent it in. Never heard back from them.
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tedzilla99 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:22pm |
OMG just watch the video on the link provided - his left hand is clearly visible hanging down while he is bowing then he reaches it out for the 2 handed grasp. Who cares if the picture that made the rounds before 'isn't proof' -- the video in the link is pure proof.
And, as I said before, it's sad that he is continuing the maddening obsequiousness of previous presidents, but no president in my memory has bowed that way to another ruler. And to keep saying that Bush bowed too is just silly and nonsensical. Bending over to receive a medal around the neck [whether or not you think he should have accepted it is beside the point] is a show of respect and gratitude; bowing deeply at a first greeting is showing deference. Period - they are not comparable.
Either way, the Teleprompter Administration is lying about this, and it's stupid to do so...but they know that the media is in the tank for them so no worries.
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danrudy Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:02pm |
re: #270 UberInfidel67
Maybe the King wears a great big western style Elvis belt buckle?
yep...
I wasnt really paying much attention to this whole bowing thing as I have been traveling.
First off. Lets not pretend it wasn't a bow. It was! Whether one thinks it a big enough thing to get one britches in an uproar is another matter. Clearly, someone at the Whitehorse thinks that it is and is saying it wants a bow.
Second, I also just saw the video Charles posted of Bush "bowing" to same monarch. I haven't had time to go through the thread but was Charles being sarcastic (I love when he is sarcastic) or was he seriously saying that bending down to allow someone to place a medal over ones head is the same as showing subservience to a leader during a greeting? I am assuming he was being sarcastic. PLease clarify.
Again, Obama's bowing is not the end of civilization but is another example of the new administrations poor grasp of protocol. I can smirk and slap my head saying "oh no, not again" but it ain't the end of the world....time to move along
one last thought....Imagine if bending was considered the same as bowing. For the rest of my life every time I put a necklace on my wife I would have to climb on a chair to prevent her from bending or I would never hear the end of it.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:06pm |
re: #386 Soona'
Yeah, ditto. So I was wondering why the pre-notice of NOTICE. Just pondering the leaflets from above.
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the1sgjohns Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:57pm |
Yup and on to the next thread.....whoooosh.......!
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BatGuano Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:43:53pm |
re: #384 the1sgjohns
It said enbedding disabled by request. :( Did I do something there?
No, I think I missed it. It was Christopher Walken on SNL in a hilarious meeting with a census taker. I can't find a good link. Sorry
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doppelganglander Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:43:54pm |
re: #370 the1sgjohns
So I got a notice from the Census 2010 folks yesterday. Says "You are required by law to provide the information requested". WTF? So I looked up the listed Title 13 and listed sections. There are a lot of them so I am still researching but so far nothing that says I am required to provide anything other than that I exist as a person by saying "I live here".
Any thoughts there?
I failed to return my census form in 1990 and 2000 and no one came after me. It wasn't a political statement; I'm just very disorganized. I will probably find both of them in a cardboard box one day.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:12pm |
"This flag dips to no earthly king"
-- 1908 US Olympic Team Captain Martin Sheridan on the refusal to dip the US Flag to King Edward VII in the Royal Box. A tradition that again was on full display in the 1936 Berlin Olympics.
Our President however is another matter.
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wltzacrsstxs Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:49pm |
It's a bow. The video proves it.
Obama wouldn't bow to the Queen of England, but would bow to the Saudi Prince. Here's the thing. Arab leaders don't bow to the Saudi Prince. The Prez of Egypt doesn't bow to him. But our Prez does.
This, contrasted with no bow to Queen Elizabeth, got a LOT of press on the Arab street. They are gloating and pointing as a sign of our weakness.
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RedVoter Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:45:53pm |
They were best off leaving this alone. It was clearly a bow but it probably wouldn't have been much of an issue. This absurd explanation though will draw more attention to it. Proof that he has a large amount of Clintonistas spinning for him.
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avanti Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:49:06pm |
re: #395 wltzacrsstxs
This, contrasted with no bow to Queen Elizabeth, got a LOT of press on the Arab street. They are gloating and pointing as a sign of our weakness.
Link please, I do watch the English language Arab press, but may have missed your reports of gloating. Nothing even in the Saudi press on the uproar over here on the right. If it is getting all that Arab press, it does make it a bigger issue.
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yesandno Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:50:42pm |
re: #370 the1sgjohns
So I got a notice from the Census 2010 folks yesterday. Says "You are required by law to provide the information requested". WTF? So I looked up the listed Title 13 and listed sections. There are a lot of them so I am still researching but so far nothing that says I am required to provide anything other than that I exist as a person by saying "I live here".
Any thoughts there?
Send it back and tell them English isn't your first language, sign language is...
Tell them to correct it or you will have to send them a sign.
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rumcrook Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:51:42pm |
I would deny it too if I was them.
its embarrassing.
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MJ Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:57:45pm |
David Pryce-Jones:
... It’s an accepted courtesy to royalty to make a little nod with the head, but film and photographs show Obama bending from the waist in a gesture of humble obeisance, as it were, acknowledging his inferior status. And there were the rest of us foolishly thinking that the whole purpose of the republic set up by the founding fathers was that its representatives would be on equal footing with monarchs. Obama further has gone out of his way to praise a so-called “peace” initiative proposed some years ago by King Abdullah. This calls for Israel to give the Palestinians everything they demand, including the return of all refugees. According to Obama, Israel would be “crazy” not to do what King Abdullah specifies, although this means that it must dissolve itself.At the Arab summit just held in Qatar, King Abdullah had quite the opposite experience. Where Obama fawned, Muammar Gaddafi, the dictator of Libya these many years, showed open disrespect for the king, telling him to his face in front of assembled Arab power-holders, “It has been proven that it is you who have lies behind you and the grave ahead, and it is you who were created by the British and protected by America.” And he went on, “I am an internationalist leader and the dean of Arab rulers and the King of African Kings, and the Imam of Muslims, and my international stature does not permit me to descend to any other level. Thanks.” Gaddafi then walked out and visited the local (and superlative) museum of Islamic art. All right, Obama needn’t talk in that comically high-flown idiom, but it would be nice if he stated firmly and unmistakably that he’s the leader of the free world, and therefore that he’s the true internationalist, and as such has no call to bow and scrape to absolute rulers and despots.
Today’s news is that three Pakistanis have just been publicly beheaded in Saudi Arabia, bringing to twenty the number of those executed in that country so far this year. And an American president bows to the man ultimately responsible for that?
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irongrampa Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:05:34pm |
re: #264 Iron Fist
I have something to share with you re lubricants on firearms.
I HATE gun oil, for obvious reasons (duck hunting,with the attendant mud,etc,) and discovered that spray silicone is tits for lubing a weapon.
Makes the action slick, and best of all it's DRY. Nothing for dirt to stick to. Might want to give it a try.
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Daryl Herbert Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:09:06pm |
Breaking news: Obama aides lie; liberal media covers for them
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NukeAtomrod Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:09:44pm |
This is nonsense. They showed him bowing on video. He may have been holding hands while bowing, but he was still bowing. The denial from the White House is ridiculous and childish.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:21pm |
re: #404 Daryl Herbert
Every member of the MSM carries a card with their motto, "To serve and protect the Left."
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medaura18586 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:21:28pm |
As I wrote at the time:Even if Obama did bow to Abdullah (the photo is not really proof of that)...
The photo was no proof, but the video did me in:
Again, not that I think it's outrageously unprecedented. So did Bush.
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katemaclaren Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:28:17pm |
I don't care if he bowed or not--what I care about is that he doesn't always man up to the things he does. Maybe he doesn't even know about this tempest in a teapot, though. For goodness sakes.
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grumpy old codger Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:30:15pm |
re: #329 quickjustice I believe you're correct re Jefferson authorizing the frigates, but the slogan, "Millions for defense......", refers to the XYZ Affair, not the extortions demanded by our North African Islamic brethren.
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katemaclaren Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:31:53pm |
re: #395 wltzacrsstxs
Well, if they think it's a weakness--that in itself is THEIR weakness.
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katemaclaren Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:16pm |
re: #310 OldLineTexan
you could use some education I can tell keep reading you may accidentally learn something I understand even solid lead has been penetrated if the bits are small enough and fast moving enough so I will try to help you out as much as I can no need to thank me I like to help out the young and ignorant as much as I can especially for free
In other words, you are refusing to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person!
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HelloDare Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:18pm |
BREAKING NEWS:
The Surgeon General reports that a kidney stone forced President Obama to double over in pain just as he was greeting King Abdullah.
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:39:30pm |
snip:
As I wrote at the time:
Even if Obama did bow to Abdullah (the photo is not really proof of that)...
endsnip:
I saw the video of him
he was bowing
like you would the Godfather
though I honestly did not see him kiss his hand
man did he ever bow
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:45pm |
re: #407 medaura18586
The photo was no proof, but the video did me in:
Again, not that I think it's outrageously unprecedented. So did Bush.
is Bush President ?
why bring him up
it NEVER worked to bring up Clinton during Bush's term
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d1carter Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:44:41pm |
The bow is bad enough, but the cover up is disgusting.
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:56pm |
re: #416 d1carter
The bow is bad enough, but the cover up is disgusting.
I politely disagree
more disgusting, to me, is trying to bring Bush into the equation
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medaura18586 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:49:00pm |
re: #414 Adrenalyn
is Bush President ?
why bring him up
it NEVER worked to bring up Clinton during Bush's term
I am bringing Bush up in the context of the outrage over Obama's bow as something unprecedented. Did you bring Bush up while he was president, and he did bow to Abdullah as he accepted his medal? Or did you look the other way then.
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:52pm |
re: #418 medaura18586
I am bringing Bush up in the context of the outrage over Obama's bow as something unprecedented. Did you bring Bush up while he was president, and he did bow to Abdullah as he accepted his medal? Or did you look the other way then.
me, I would have bashed him over it
I've been flamed more times than a Whopper of my bashing of Bush
and my bashing was not always polite (as is my general nature)
and I'd almost hazard that it prit-near got me banned a couple times
but I can guarantee, I got a post or two deleted with some of those comments
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victor_yugo Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:53:38pm |
I always start with the assumption that this POTUS and his cronies are lying cheats, for whom even the basic laws of civilized society have no innate meaning. The end justifies the means; they're "above all that"; their agenda is their god. It was obvious during the campaign, and so far I've seen no indication that it's any different now.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:55:51pm |
re: #418 medaura18586
Lowering your head to allow somebody to place a medal around your neck is nowhere near the equivalent of a subservient bow to a Sovereign as part of a formal greeting. What Bush did was nothing more than every Olympic athlete does who wins a medal. They make it easy for the presenter to accomplish their task. If you can find video of Bush bowing in similar circumstances then by all means show it and he will get the same condemnation. I doubt you'll find such a video for had he done what Obama did, the Media would have killed him.
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medaura18586 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:03:33pm |
re: #421 thebigolddog
I thought so too, until I consulted the dictionary and found out that the definition of "bow" does not permit such subtle differentiations. A bow is a bow is a bow. Bush's offense in compounded by the moral legitimacy bestowed on the House of Saud by his acceptance of their medal. Obama's was a typical non-bow bow... something he could backpedal from, a subtle gesture with some room for deniability.
In any case, don't you see how sophomoric splitting hairs on the semantic extremes of what constitutes a "true bow" is? Don't we more substantial things to blast this guy over?
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path Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:40pm |
A bow is a bow and, he bowed - now he wants to lie about it. NO American President should EVER bow to any soverign of another country!
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:09:16pm |
No, Bush should have told the King to stand on a chair to put the medal around his neck. Give me a break.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:09:24pm |
re: #421 thebigolddog
Lowering your head to allow somebody to place a medal around your neck is nowhere near the equivalent of a subservient bow to a Sovereign as part of a formal greeting. What Bush did was nothing more than every Olympic athlete does who wins a medal. They make it easy for the presenter to accomplish their task. If you can find video of Bush bowing in similar circumstances then by all means show it and he will get the same condemnation. I doubt you'll find such a video for had he done what Obama did, the Media would have killed him.
I don't think the International Olympic Committee is in the business of putting women in black bags, or beheading people, or funding terrorism throughout the world.
Apart from those small points, excellent analogy.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:10:48pm |
PS - still waiting to see video of any US President outside of Obama bowing as part of his formal greeting to any Sovereign let alone the King of Saudi Arabia.
"this flag dips to no earthly king"
-- 1908 US Olympic Team Captain Martin Sheridan
On the refusal to dip the US Flag to King Edward VII in the Royal Box
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:08pm |
re: #425 Charles
So then your real point is he should not have accepted the medal right? Now that's an honest debate worth having. Trying to claim what he did and what Obama did are equivalent is less so in my mind.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:49pm |
PS - find me one Olympic Athlete who considers what they are doing to be a subservient greeting to the presenter. Just one will do.
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rumcrook Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:57pm |
I think we can all agree~~~~
no potus of any party in any time period should be bowing to
the oil ticks
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ladycatnip Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:14:17pm |
Bowing is a sign of deference; it confers honor to the recipient of the bow. The bow-er is saying to the bow-ee, "you're a person of great importance." The O saying he didn't bow is laughable - he was close to a 90 degree angle.
As far as Bush receiving a medal from the Saudi king, well, that's a big disappointment, but hardly a right angle.
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Sensible Remnant Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:18:06pm |
Is Obama's scraping and genuflecting mitigated because Bush kissed the Saudi king (!) and held hands?
Not in my mind. We are in for a long four years if everything Obama does gets justified because Bush did it too.
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:24:09pm |
re: #431 Sensible Remnant
Is Obama's scraping and genuflecting mitigated because Bush kissed the Saudi king (!) and held hands?
Not in my mind. We are in for a long four years if everything Obama does gets justified because Bush did it too.
I love this post
but, if I may
I think you are a bit wrong
we will not be seeing 0bama for just 4 years
we'll get him for 8
then the Constitution will be changed
and he'll be there forever (ok, I am reaching)
but we are witnessing the self destruction of the right
with this
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Penny T. Wienerdog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:27:12pm |
Obama just mistook the Saudi King for Michael Corrleone. He was just kissing his ring...no, that's not it...Obama bent down to pick up a penny for luck...no, that's not it...he had to tie his shoelaces...no, that's not it...
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Wendya Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:27:36pm |
re: #34 zombie
Meanwhile, the craziest shot in golf history was played yesterday, and the only person to record it was a citizen journalist with a hand-held point-and-shoot camera in video mode.
The video quality is pretty atrocious, but it shows thay Vijay Singh teed off and hit his ball directly into a lake -- but in some bizarre miracle, the ball bounced off the surface of the lake (I have never seen that happen before) and bounce onto the green and into the hole for a hole-in one!
And THAT is why he plays pro golf and the rest of us don't.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:28:07pm |
re: #432 Adrenalyn
If that's all it takes to destroy the Right then it was nothing to begin with.
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:28:12pm |
re: #423 path
A bow is a bow and, he bowed - now he wants to lie about it. NO American President should EVER bow to any soverign of another country!
I don't have a real big problem bowing to the head of another country
I do have a problem blaming Bush for everything that 0bama does
I don't care if 0bama does something bad, if Bush did it too
2 wrongs don't make a right
.....and again, Bush is not President
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Adrenalyn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:48pm |
re: #435 thebigolddog
If that's all it takes to destroy the Right then it was nothing to begin with.
well, you've got me, sorta
I have always disagreed with their abortion and religion stances
but I don't always expect to get everything my way
with democrats, I get nothing
so I settle
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hazzyday Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:56pm |
We should just set the standard for protocol between countries that allows for human rights to occur. No bowing. Just a handshake to show that the other person is unarmed. We had a revolution to get away from the bowing crap. No reason to redo it because some misogynistic religion/culture needs you to do it to give them some street cred. We need to start calling the Saudi's on their lack of human rights. Non of this "OK they are the elite stuff"
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hazzyday Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:32:01pm |
re: #428 thebigolddog
PS - find me one Olympic Athlete who considers what they are doing to be a subservient greeting to the presenter. Just one will do.
Didn't they used to compete naked? I suspect a negative puritan influence there.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:32:24pm |
re: #431 Sensible Remnant
Is Obama's scraping and genuflecting mitigated because Bush kissed the Saudi king (!) and held hands?
Not in my mind. We are in for a long four years if everything Obama does gets justified because Bush did it too.
Of course, I didn't say anything remotely like that, not once. But you know, if it makes you feel better to completely mischaracterize my words, don't let that stop you!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:33:22pm |
re: #428 thebigolddog
PS - find me one Olympic Athlete who considers what they are doing to be a subservient greeting to the presenter. Just one will do.
Find me one Olympics medal presenter who is the king of a religious apartheid theocracy.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:52pm |
re: #442 Charles
So again, where back to the fact that it's receiving the medal that's the issue, not making it easy to be placed around your neck that you have an issue with.
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Empire1 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:36:34pm |
re: #269 Dianna
Um.
That's because the virgins are to keep the volcano peaceful.
"Magic is a matter of symbolism and intent."
Quoting Master Sean O Lochlainn?
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Wendya Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:26pm |
About the bowing...
Yes, Obama did bow. As a matter of fact, it was an exceptionally obsequious bow, unbecoming and inappropriate for the President of the United States of America.
Did Bush "go native" and hold hands with a Saudi Prince? Yep, he sure did. I suppose it would have been better had he reared back in disgust and punched him while at the same time asking to use Saudi airbases. Yeah, that's a winning idea.
In the world of diplomacy, things aren't as black and white for the President as they are for the average Joe sitting in his room tapping on a keyboard. Both men were making a point and using the media to carry their message. Bush's message was that the USA was friends to the KSA. Obama's message was probably intended to convey deep respect for the Saudis but it didn't go over well with many Americans.
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VioletTiger Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:06pm |
re: #3 audit81
Obama was merely bending over to read the teleprompter on the floor.
Hey, not bad for comment #2. Very snarky you are.
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fighton03 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:40pm |
re: #18 tradewind
Okay, let's not quibble. Give him the benefit. It wasn't a bow.
It was a protracted bending over at the waist,while affecting a subservient manner.
There. Better?
all while bending his knee......gee isn't teh One such a graceful tard?
Now back to our regularly scheduled rant on the economy.....
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aaronmartin1651 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:53pm |
Obama definitely bowed, his head went below the Saudi King's as he bent forward, so one can't say that he was stooping down to be at his level. I have only seen the picture of Bush receiving the medal, so it is hard for me to judge, although if someone shorter than you is hanging a medal around your neck, I can't see how it could be done without lowering your head. Does any video exist where Bush is bowing, or a picture of him with his head at more than a slight incline?
If so, then I don't like that either. We don't bow to our president, our president should never bow to anyone either, for any reason.
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LTC8K6 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:06:00pm |
Obama's head is below Abdullah's head for crying out loud! Well below!This is a deep bow! This is not merely bending down a little for a shorter person! This is unquestionably a deep bow!
How can anyone even argue?
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NavyGunner Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:43:23pm |
Who are you going to believe an Obama aide or your lying eyes?
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Wendya Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:35:40pm |
re: #459 Macker
What a fucking LIAR.
Now, now... take another sip of kool aide and get with the program. ;)
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:23:39pm |
The longer a thread goes on, the more the nuts come out of the woodwork.
-- Second Corollary to Stinky's Law of Kooks
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LTC8K6 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:37:11pm |
Obama has greeted short people before. Did he appear to bow to them when he shook hands?
Plenty of pics of Obama shaking the hands of shorter people, including children. The only time I see anything approaching a bow is when Obama is standing and the other person is sitting down.
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LTC8K6 Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:40:05pm |
Shaking the hand of a 10 year old child:
Greeting a seated woman whose hand he can easily shake without bending down.
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Chronos Wed, Apr 8, 2009 11:38:06pm |
Definitely a bow. Borderline curtsy. :D Spinning it as anything but a bow is clearly maximum obfuscation.
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infidel4ever Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:04:36am |
Obama definitely NOT bowing to Queen Elisabeth
I think Queen Elisabeth is even less tall than than King Abdullah, so there goes that argument. O well, he probably did not feel he had to pander to the head of state of one of the USA's allies.
And yes, Bush was just as bad a panderer to the oil ticks. I wonder if the One has scheduled his sword dance yet.
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JAT Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:29:45am |
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck - it's a duck.
So what ever you think - try it from the other side - what did King Abdullah think it was? From the smile - I think he saw and heard the duck.
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Pupdawg Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:33:29am |
..."said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity."
I suspect we will hear plenty of lies in the next four years from Obama aides who will speak on the condition of anonymity. Obama as well as more than a few in his cupboard have shown they have no problem lying at home or abroad...with alarming regularity.
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kernschatten Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:39:41am |
If you've seen the vid on hot air regarding this article, it is definitely a bow. He comes up, extends right hand and bows (left hand is cross his waist), then he goes into the double handshake.
Bush doing it also has no bearing on trying to say Obama didn't. Neither should have done it, and the white house abjectly lying about it IS a big issue.
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princetrumpet Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:50:45am |
Does anyone care that Bush bowed in order to receive a medal that was being placed around his neck?
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Land Shark Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:58:01am |
Who cares if Obama bowed to the Saudi king? I'm more concerned about how he's bending over and dropping his pants in front of the Iranians, North Koreans, Russians, Chinese, etc., etc.
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coloradobuff Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:03:54am |
I'm surprised the White House would even bother with a response on this one. The bow looked bad enough, but to then lie about it is even more ridiculous. (There is at least one video I've seen that leaves little doubt that it was intended as a bow.) The administration apparently doesn't think much of the intelligence level of the average American.
Does the bow show some kind of subservience to the Saudis? I'm not sure. At the least, I believe our President doesn't think things through beforehand, such as he did with the Special Olympics comment. That's not a great quality for a President.
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dauntlessone Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:31:02am |
This reminds me of how my 13 year old lies about the dumbest things and therefore, loses credibility on the bigger things. Why lie about something so obviously found out to be untrue?
note to Obama Administration: Tell the truth, take your lumps, and move forward.
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Bonk Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:33:51am |
If you watch the video, it's OBVIOUS he bowed. No way to spin it, it's pretty clear. Is it a big deal? Well, depends. I'd question why he kowtowed to Abdullah but not to the Queen in England, but that might not be PC.
Personally, I'd prefer that our President dealt with foreign heads of state as equals - with respect and dignity being preserved on both sides. If King Abdullah had bowed BACK - no problem. He didn't. Bowing indicates respect AND submission to higher authority when only one party does it. An equal bow from both parties indicates mutual respect - without the submission.
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libertyvista Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:34am |
I'm against screaming about it, and I agree that it should be measured in context of our generally mistaken relationship with the Saudis and the boneheaded gestures of other Presidents, but, regardless, between the picture and the video we have a bow. The significance is that, combined with gifts of self-aggrandizing Ipods and unplayable DVDs, we're left to wonder what kind of avoidable mistakes of an extremely serious nature are being made by the same staff and President that made these. It's also significant that the Obama people are denying that it happened, while at the same time admitting it happened by explaining it was due to a difference in height.
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maurice Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:53am |
Q: How is it possible for ANYONE to watch that video and say it's not a bow?
A: It is im.
Whose lyin' eyes you gonna believe?
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shwaiutah Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:21:44am |
The bow issue is pretty silly, just like Ms. Obama deigning to touch the queen. Who cares. If he had bowed to the PM of Japan no one would care (it being a cultural thing and all.)
But the bigger issue is why would an aide say he didn't bow when it was obvious he did? The unnecessary lie is reminiscent of Clinton.
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gulfloafer Thu, Apr 9, 2009 5:13:06pm |
re: #463 Charles
This kook has been out of town for awhile. At any rate, it's actually a pretty well known tactic in the Middle East. Royalty, dictators, and those who fancy themselves your "betters" will extend their hand but keep the elbow close to the hip forcing the other party to lean into the hand-shake. It may not look like much to those of us here in the West but a picture does indeed tell a thousand words and speaks volumes in the ME. Whether Obama was duped by this tactic or was just really excited to shake his hand is a small matter ... all things considered.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:19:15pm |
The Bush family has been tongue-kissing the Saudis for decades. Tongue and ass. Hand and foot. Sword dancing, knife prancing, soft-shoeing, prince-wooing, fat-chewing, war-brewing. All for oil. And the greater glory of Crawford and Kennebunkport.
Obama is in great company here. He and Bush probably had a secret email exchange comparing notes on Abdullah's breath mints and condom brand.
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