Amit Ghate: Attacks on LGF Are Revealing

Some nice words from Amit Ghate: Attacks on LGF are Revealing.

Though I don’t have time to follow it as closely as I’d like to, I think Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs is one of the best (non-objectivist) blogs out there. He’s for free speech and strongly against Islamic totalitarianism — and wants the Republicans to rally around those issues. But in order to be on the side of the rational, he adamantly thinks the Republicans must drop creationism (and its modern variant, intelligent design) and any other fundamentalist religious views, as well as to denounce the irrational “fringe” views that so many in the party hold (like being against vaccines, engaging in conspiracy theories, etc.). He’s also very honest, and thus won’t let Republicans criticize the Democrats for things they too have done (for example Bush bowed to the Saudi King just as Obama recently did). Lately he’s suggested that Glenn Beck’s apocalyptic and over-the-top sensationalism are a disservice to serious Republicans. What have his reasonable views brought him? Vilification from the religious Right, including from nuts like Pam Geller (who really should give up her blog name “Atlas Shrugs” forthwith), and even from Robert Spencer. It’s really quite a sad spectacle.

UPDATE at 4/8/09 6:44:49 pm:

Nice to see the usual anonymous stalkers showing up in the comments for Amit’s post! I think it’s great that you guys have such empty lives that you can find nothing better to do than monitor LGF, go to blogs that I link, and post weird hateful comments about me. That’s why I created those little “Charles” simulacra that live inside your heads and command you to hang on my every word. I hope the voices aren’t too loud.

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644 comments
1 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:30:30pm

It's nice when having integrity pays off.

2 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:30:35pm

this was a nice honest shout out...whoever he is

3 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:37pm

That note is basically a summary of why this is my favored conservative blog now.

4 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:31:51pm

(who really should give her blog name “Atlas Shrugs” forthwith)

Give "up"

/Correction, Charles.

5 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:00pm

Kind words and well earned :-)

6 Athens Runaway  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:06pm

I have been reminding my Republican friends who are upset about Obama bowing (or whatever he did) that not only did Bush sword-dance with the Saudis, he bowed as well.

Not that it makes it right, but it's important not to put inconvenient truths down the memory hole.

7 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:32:42pm

it's always a good fight but I wonder if it's a losing battle...the face of the GOP is rapidly changing....are there enough dedicated conservatives to turn it around?....conservatism is dying I think

8 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:11pm
9 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:12pm

"and I won't forget to put roses on your grave"

10 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:16pm

Gotta be honest. These blog spats always leave me bemused, more than anything else.

It's all inside baseball.

11 pat  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:34pm

Right on.
/but its still a bow. lol

12 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #4 Bloodnok

(who really should give her blog name “Atlas Shrugs” forthwith)

Give "up"

/Correction, Charles.

But a correct sentiment nonetheless. I'm reading the book now (am ashamed not to have read it earlier, it's been on my shelf for years), and cannot find any comparison between the positive characters in the novel, and the gal who runs the 'blog by that name.

13 buzzdroid  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:35:08pm

and lets not forget this one

Cheney & Bush Senior walking arm-in-arm with King Abdullah

Image: cheney-abdullah-bush41-powell-250.jpg

14 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:35:45pm

I hope that you win this fight, Charles. Despite what people accuse you of, this blog is not an echo chamber. You've done a fantastic job of cultivating a spirit of rationality and sober discourse.

15 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:36:46pm

Atta-boy

16 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:36:51pm

re: #12 Yashmak

But a correct sentiment nonetheless. I'm reading the book now (am ashamed not to have read it earlier, it's been on my shelf for years), and cannot find any comparison between the positive characters in the novel, and the gal who runs the 'blog by that name.

Yup, I know. It was just a typo (it was on the original Ghate post). The meaning doesn't change either way.

17 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:37:15pm

re: #4 Bloodnok

(who really should give her blog name “Atlas Shrugs” forthwith)

Give "up"

/Correction, Charles.

The error is in the original. Sic 'em!

18 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:38:34pm

re: #6 Athens Runaway

I have been reminding my Republican friends who are upset about Obama bowing (or whatever he did) that not only did Bush sword-dance with the Saudis, he bowed as well.

Not that it makes it right, but it's important not to put inconvenient truths down the memory hole.

You can't excuse Bush & then blame Obama for similar conduct.
However if you did break bad on Bush for it, then I would say that Obama is fair game.
It is really not getting a lot of play anyway & the White House is silly to comment.

19 rhino2  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #6 Athens Runaway

I have been reminding my Republican friends who are upset about Obama bowing (or whatever he did) that not only did Bush sword-dance with the Saudis, he bowed as well.

Not that it makes it right, but it's important not to put inconvenient truths down the memory hole.

I think conveying the fact that this country's leaders have been kowtowing to Saudis for a long time and still are, and it needs to stop, is just as important if not moreso than just pointing out Bush did it too.

20 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:39:51pm

re: #18 opnion

I remember thinking it was ridiculous, but par for the course when dealing with the Saudis.

21 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:40:00pm

re: #19 rhino2

I think conveying the fact that this country's leaders have been kowtowing to Saudis for a long time and still are, and it needs to stop, is just as important if not moreso than just pointing out Bush did it too.

Correct!

22 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:40:35pm

Ayn Rand would be following LGF not Atlas Shrugs.

23 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #14 ConservatismNow!

I hope that you win this fight, Charles. Despite what people accuse you of, this blog is not an echo chamber. You've done a fantastic job of cultivating a spirit of rationality and sober discourse.

Except on the drinking threads, which sooner or later is almost any thread.

24 Yashmak  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:39pm

re: #22 BatGuano

Ayn Rand would be following LGF not Atlas Shrugs.

Indeed. She'd probably be regular contributor.

25 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:57pm

"when you're sitting back in your rose pink Cadillac
making bets on Kentucky Derby Day
I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon
and another girl to take my pain away"

metaphor for the GOP and it's 'need' for the RR vote....
self destructive

26 Athens Runaway  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #18 opnion

You can't excuse Bush & then blame Obama for similar conduct.
However if you did break bad on Bush for it, then I would say that Obama is fair game.
It is really not getting a lot of play anyway & the White House is silly to comment.

I agree; I'm in the second camp. I strive for consistancy in my beliefs, if nothing else.

All right, I'm outta here. It's been real, I'll see you all later. Bop a few trolls for me.

27 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:41:59pm

it is nice to be acknowledged for important good work.
you deserve it charles.

28 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #23 doppelganglander

Except on the drinking threads, which sooner or later is almost any thread.

Or on boob threads, which sooner or later is almost any thread.

29 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:18pm

re: #23 doppelganglander

Except on the drinking threads, which sooner or later is almost any thread.

When ever Spacejusus posts, I drink.

30 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:42:23pm
What have his reasonable views brought him? Vilification from the religious Right, including from nuts like Pam Geller (who really should give up her blog name “Atlas Shrugs” forthwith), and even from Robert Spencer. It’s really quite a sad spectacle.

I've been thinking that as well. I rather doubt Ayn Rand could possibly be pleased by PG's rants.

31 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:43:38pm

pamela has become as much of a narcissist as o.

32 Haole  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:00pm

I view a lot of sites out there and only post on this one (Not that often). I gave up posting on the other ones, I'm tired of talking to idiots.

33 the1sgjohns  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:06pm

Someone earlier said "Bowgate" So I wonder who would we pick for the inquisitor.

34 brookly red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:10pm

re: #29 DEZes

When ever Spacejusus posts, I drink.

you must be near death...

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:23pm

re: #22 BatGuano

Ayn Rand would be following LGF not Atlas Shrugs.

It's pretty outrageous for someone to use the name of Ayn Rand's most famous work, to promote a website prominently featuring an ad for a young earth creationist kook.

36 the1sgjohns  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:44pm

re: #32 Haole

Do I have to leave, I just got to the party. Damn Jim!

37 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:48pm

re: #29 DEZes

When ever Spacejusus posts, I drink.

So you've had a stiff drink already today because of the last threads appearance of 'spaceJ'?
What was your fav today?

38 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:44:49pm

re: #31 nyc redneck

pamela has become as much of a narcissist as o.

I think she always was.

39 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:45:05pm

the Bush regime pandering to the SA has done this country great harm...after 9/11 it should have been DRILL DRILL DRILL everyday 24/7 for the next eight years....Bush is a major suck up...far worse than BO so far

40 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:45:21pm

re: #16 Bloodnok

re: #17 wrenchwench

And now corrected in both.

41 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:45:23pm

re: #29 DEZes

When ever Spacejusus posts, I drink.

He makes me laugh. I freely admit it.

42 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:45:49pm

re: #34 brookly red

you must be near death...

Some days, I wonder. ;)

43 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:46:23pm

re: #41 ConservatismNow!

He makes me laugh. I freely admit it.

What ever blows your skirt up. ;)

44 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:46:33pm

re: #29 DEZes

When ever Spacejusus posts, I drink.

You must be totaled by now.

45 opnion  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:46:45pm

re: #39 albusteve

the Bush regime pandering to the SA has done this country great harm...after 9/11 it should have been DRILL DRILL DRILL everyday 24/7 for the next eight years....Bush is a major suck up...far worse than BO so far

Stand by, Obama is just getting started.

46 hiddenlizard  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:05pm

Thanks for this post Charles! :D

47 Guanxi88  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:09pm

re: #41 ConservatismNow!

He makes me laugh. I freely admit it.

AS much pot as that guy must do, I imagine that he's the only one who laughs harder than we do, every time he posts.

I still haven't given up my "SJ as sock-puppet" theory. I think when Stinky gets stoned, he logs in as SJ just for giggles.

48 Shanimal1918  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:16pm

Thank you Charles for standing up for what is right. And for providing this very educational forum for important issues to be discussed.

49 brookly red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:25pm

re: #39 albusteve

the Bush regime pandering to the SA has done this country great harm...after 9/11 it should have been DRILL DRILL DRILL everyday 24/7 for the next eight years....Bush is a major suck up...far worse than BO so far

don't drink on an empty stomach :)

50 hiddenlizard  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:42pm

re: #35 Charles

It's pretty outrageous for someone to use the name of Ayn Rand's most famous work, to promote a website prominently featuring an ad for a young earth creationist kook.

YES! GOOD! RIGHT!

51 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:47:48pm

re: #37 callahan23

So you've had a stiff drink already today because of the last threads appearance of 'spaceJ'?
What was your fav today?

Still nursing my 1st beer.
How are you doing today?

52 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:05pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

re: #17 wrenchwench

And now corrected in both.

I meant to say the "up" was in the original. No worries. It's clean.

And a very nice post it was, too. It is so nice to see people paying attention to the best aspects of this blog. The credibility of the site deserves to be mentioned everywhere.

53 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:10pm

re: #24 Yashmak

Indeed. She'd probably be regular contributor.

If only that were possible. It's a good dream.

54 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:27pm

Ayn Rand would be following LGF not Atlas Shrugs.

Ayn Rand would have her own blog.............linked to LGF........

/or maybe an online gossip blog.........

55 Soona'  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #39 albusteve

the Bush regime pandering to the SA has done this country great harm...after 9/11 it should have been DRILL DRILL DRILL everyday 24/7 for the next eight years....Bush is a major suck up...far worse than BO so far

And we must keep reminding everyone that Bush was a moderate.

56 brookly red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:45pm

re: #42 DEZes

Some days, I wonder. ;)

hang in there.

57 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:48pm

re: #38 reine.de.tout

I think she always was.

One of the reasons I never cottoned to the woman. Never have cared for 'it's all about me' people.

58 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:48:57pm

re: #51 DEZes

Still nursing my 1st beer.
How are you doing today?

Beastie no nurse beers. Beastie kills them.

59 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:49:38pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

AS much pot as that guy must do, I imagine that he's the only one who laughs harder than we do, every time he posts.

I still haven't given up my "SJ as sock-puppet" theory. I think when Stinky gets stoned, he logs in as SJ just for giggles.

Either he's an incredibly good troll or he's a sock-puppet for Stinky. Nobody could say the things he says and stay on this site.

60 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #51 DEZes

Still nursing my 1st beer.
How are you doing today?


I'm on my 3rd choco martini. Heavy on the Godiva side. lol!

61 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #51 DEZes

Still nursing my 1st beer.
How are you doing today?

Fine, thanks. But tired to the bone. Was a hard day lecturing. Trying my best at :-)

62 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:49:53pm

re: #37 callahan23

My fav was him dissing Texas, well thats the one that pissed me off the most anyway.

63 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #54 IslandLibertarian

Ayn Rand would be following LGF not Atlas Shrugs.

Ayn Rand would have her own blog.............linked to LGF........

/or maybe an online gossip blog.........

Oh, man. The "Fairness doctrine", would have to wrap around to include blogs!

64 Guanxi88  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #57 rightymouse

One of the reasons I never cottoned to the woman. Never have cared for 'it's all about me' people.

Still, if I were a euro-fascist of "a certain age", I might be inclined to pay her at least as much attention as she seems to be paying these well-tailored thugs and their hooligan supporters.

65 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:50:52pm

re: #56 brookly red

hang in there.

Will do, Thanks.

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #63 BatGuano

Oh, man. The "Fairness doctrine", would have to wrap around to include blogs!


Would the "fairness doctrine" require Charles to give all the cool tools he has programmed in to the other bloggers? Because that would be...unfair.

67 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:51:20pm

re: #62 DEZes

My fav was him dissing Texas, well thats the one that pissed me off the most anyway.

He was dissing the Texan. He would have dissed Heaven just to get a dig in.

68 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:51:53pm

re: #58 USBeast

Beastie no nurse beers. Beastie kills them.

Ill kill the next 6, I always torture the 1st one slowly.

69 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:52:26pm

re: #55 Soona'

And we must keep reminding everyone that Bush was a moderate.

I really despise the relationship the feds have with SA...one could dream up a fairly sound conspiracy with regard to Saudi oil, the demilitarization of Europe and the general lack of interest for the West to become energy independent

70 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:52:40pm

re: #67 USBeast

He was dissing the Texan. He would have dissed Heaven just to get a dig in.

I know, thats why I down dinged the asshole.

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:52:56pm

I so want a glass of merlot, but I have to pick up Baby Lizard in a little while when he gets back to school from a track meet. Sigh.

72 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:53:15pm

re: #68 DEZes

Ill kill the next 6, I always torture the 1st one slowly.

I'm a lightweight, one at a time. So I savor it.

73 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:53:17pm

re: #64 Guanxi88

Still, if I were a euro-fascist of "a certain age", I might be inclined to pay her at least as much attention as she seems to be paying these well-tailored thugs and their hooligan supporters.

Yeah..well...that's them.

74 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:54:18pm

re: #62 DEZes

My fav was him dissing Texas, well thats the one that pissed me off the most anyway.

That also got me off. As I am not in favor of down-dinging, as long as it's not getting all too abusive, I 'endured' and tried my best at ignoring him today.

75 Guanxi88  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:54:31pm

re: #73 rightymouse

Yeah..well...that's them.

Honestly, though, just going on something as shallow as appearance, doesn't she kind of look like what happens to a rich man's mistress once she hit that "certain age"?

76 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:54:54pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

I so want a glass of merlot, but I have to pick up Baby Lizard in a little while when he gets back to school from a track meet. Sigh.

I'm thinking about a mojito when I return from walking the dog.

77 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:54:58pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

Congrats on being our 7 millionth customer, goddess! You just won a free ipod/xbox/wii/laptop*!

*Note: ipod/xbox/wii/laptop free after signing up for every spam list known to man.

78 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:55:02pm

re: #70 DEZes

I know, thats why I down dinged the asshole.

he's afraid of Texans for some reason....his view of America is fractured and unhealthy...we are all brothers and sisters regardless of the politicians and the lunatics

79 Kragar  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:55:09pm

I still think the Lord Humungus had the right idea when it comes to oil.

80 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:55:44pm

Just kind of seems like some of the blogs perceived as being "neo-con" are now turning on each other, and making a stand against conservative figures and kind of eating each other alive. Hot Air comes to mind as another one.

Eh. We're living under one of the most divisive governments of our time and this is symptomatic.

81 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:56:11pm

I think Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs is one of the best (non-objectivist) blogs out there.

We know it.

82 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #66 EmmmieG

Would the "fairness doctrine" require Charles to give all the cool tools he has programmed in to the other bloggers? Because that would be...unfair.

Well, yes it would. Some bloggers are not as "fortunate" as Charles. They never had a chance. In fairness, it should be shared with all.

83 Emerald  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:56:40pm

Standing up to an enemy takes courage. Standing up to those who should be on your side takes more than that. You expect to be lambasted by your enemy.

84 yesandno  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:57:12pm

The attacks reveal one thing.....

YOU ARE THE MAN!

Good on ya Charles...

85 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:57:44pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

Belated, congrats!

86 Soona'  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:58:00pm

re: #78 albusteve

he's afraid of Texans for some reason....his view of America is fractured and unhealthy...we are all brothers and sisters regardless of the politicians and the lunatics

I live in Oklahoma and we're certainly not afraid of Texans.
/

87 Dan G.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:59:05pm

What's the over/under on someone demonstrating Godwin's law via Whittaker Chambers?

88 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:59:06pm

Perhaps LGF can redeem itself in the eyes of AtlasShrugs by doing a CHEESECAKE picture of Charles. Maybe by Lebowitz?

/a spidey outfit?

89 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:59:10pm

re: #86 Soona'

I live in Oklahoma and we're certainly not afraid of Texans.
/

Texas? You mean Big 12 South Runner-up?

90 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 3:59:59pm

re: #12 Yashmak

But a correct sentiment nonetheless. I'm reading the book now (am ashamed not to have read it earlier, it's been on my shelf for years), and cannot find any comparison between the positive characters in the novel, and the gal who runs the 'blog by that name.

When Geller shrugs, her assets bounce up and down.

That's as close as it gets.

91 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:04pm

re: #80 wordsworth

Just kind of seems like some of the blogs perceived as being "neo-con" are now turning on each other, and making a stand against conservative figures and kind of eating each other alive. Hot Air comes to mind as another one.

Eh. We're living under one of the most divisive governments of our time and this is symptomatic.

I think this is a conflict of basic visions, of fundamental ideology. Some people think it's not an issue to align with neo-nazis. Some people think it's not a problem to promote conspiracy theories.

And then there is the Derangement Syndrome of some- so knee-jerk in their desire to be at odds with Charles that they'll take the opposite position just to spite him, and all without even considering the ramifications of their contrary position.

It's quite pathetic, really.

92 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:05pm

re: #86 Soona'

I live in Oklahoma and we're certainly not afraid of Texans.
/

I'm a New Mexican...they invaded us once and we kicked their asses all the way back to San Antone!....I love Texas tho, but I need to remind them once in a while of their folly to mess with NM....hahaha!

93 Bearster  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:17pm

Charles, I have long thought that you were very honest and very smart. While I have never read if you have said that you are an Objectivist, every position I've read you take (I have not had much time to read blogs in the past year or so) is consistent with Objectivism.

I am sure for every person who writes you hate mail, or for that matter, for everyone who writes in support, there are probably 10 who agree but who are too shy or too busy to write.

Keep on truckin'!

94 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:19pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Honestly, though, just going on something as shallow as appearance, doesn't she kind of look like what happens to a rich man's mistress once she hit that "certain age"?

Have 'known' two mistresses of wealthy men due to where I work. One married her man almost 2 decades later. She looks like Little Orphan Annie. The other is still waiting so she's in the high maintenance surgical, Brazilian wax and nail clipping stage.

95 Soona'  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:24pm

re: #89 ConservatismNow!

Texas? You mean Big 12 South Runner-up?

Now. Now. Be nice. They can't help it. ;)

96 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:28pm

I am a right of center Independent. I see good guys and bad guys on both sides of the political aisle. I voted for McCain, but was no big fan of Palin. She's a quality individual, but her potential is more "regional" than "national." Although if she became one of Alaska's senators, I think that would be just fine. My favorite senator is Joe Lieberman, but I disagree with him on plenty of issues. I admire him because he showed courage and stood up against his own party when he felt the party was wrong. But since President Obama "pardoned" him after the election, Senator Joe has been strangely silent. I wrote to him and chastised him for it, asking if his silence on the fiscal insanity was a payback to the President for his post-election kindness. My point is this: you can disagree with someone you like, but it doesn't mean you have to stop liking them. And for those who can't handle Charles' (and LGF's) brand of pragmatism, they probably should just find a new place to hang out. Because for me, blind partisanship is something to be avoided. Partisans see problems in terms of political opportunities, rather than something to be solved for the good of everyone.

97 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:48pm

re: #78 albusteve

he's afraid of Texans for some reason....his view of America is fractured and unhealthy...we are all brothers and sisters regardless of the politicians and the lunatics

He is a facetious jerk, I normally just ignore him, much like the rest of the world.

I hope today finds you well.

98 pcalver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:54pm

Charles,
I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog. I think you need to find some larger political principles to rally behind in this period of the Obama Euro-socialist regime. You seem to be searching around for direction. I think the ideals of free speech and rationalism are great, but how about also self-determination, self-reliance, loyalty to allies (like Israel), honesty and integrity in government. I suggest you pick your own values and refocus the LGF blog more broadly on those principles. That is what conservatism is actually all about. Principles. Leave the petty arguments with people about honorifics among politicians and royals to network TV, tabloids, etc.
My $0.02.

99 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #83 Emerald

Standing up to an enemy takes courage. Standing up to those who should be on your side takes more than that. You expect to be lambasted by your enemy.

I believe Dumbledore said as much.

100 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:01:35pm

re: #88 IslandLibertarian

There's a great photoshop out there of Charles' head on Eva Braun's body. Nice gams.

101 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:01:45pm

re: #97 DEZes

He is a facetious jerk, I normally just ignore him, much like the rest of the world.

I hope today finds you well.

I'm my usual jolly self...looking for trouble!

102 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:03:16pm

re: #98 pcalver

Charles,
I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog. I think you need to find some larger political principles to rally behind in this period of the Obama Euro-socialist regime. You seem to be searching around for direction. I think the ideals of free speech and rationalism are great, but how about also self-determination, self-reliance, loyalty to allies (like Israel), honesty and integrity in government. I suggest you pick your own values and refocus the LGF blog more broadly on those principles. That is what conservatism is actually all about. Principles. Leave the petty arguments with people about honorifics among politicians and royals to network TV, tabloids, etc.
My $0.02.

keep your pennies....you have not been following for the last year...alas you don't count

103 Dan G.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:04:41pm

re: #102 albusteve

Don't quote the troll, lets it stick to thy face.

104 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #103 Dan G.

Don't quote the troll, lets it stick to thy face.

right...I always do that...bad fu

105 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:05:50pm

OT
Ye Olde Beastie's DD has been "nominated for recognition in the 2009 Who's Who Registry of Academic Excellence (High School Edition)".

Considering that all her old man ever wanted out of high school was out of high school, I am extremely proud.

106 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:06:06pm

re: #98 pcalver

I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog.

I guess allowing little slams from such as yourself will balance things out, eh?

107 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:06:20pm

re: #98 pcalver

I think you are adrift..
And I think you are full of shit...
Who the fuck are you to come here and tell Charles what to post?
You've made 30 friggin posts in a year and a half.. What have you contributed
lately?

108 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:06:31pm

re: #98 pcalver

Start your own blog. Wordpress is right over there ------->

109 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout
I saw that when it hit the net.
I'm not interested is some dead nazi-groupie's legs.
Charles needs to Glam' it up.
It's not what you blog.
It's how you look while blogging.

/ask the Ariana crowd...or Michelle.......

110 Soona'  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:07:27pm

Leaving early today. Got to go pick up my copy of Levin's book.

111 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:07:30pm

re: #105 USBeast

OT
Ye Olde Beastie's DD has been "nominated for recognition in the 2009 Who's Who Registry of Academic Excellence (High School Edition)".

Considering that all her old man ever wanted out of high school was out of high school, I am extremely proud.

Congratulations to your daughter! I never made Who's Who, but I did know what's what.

112 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:08:27pm

re: #111 doppelganglander

Congratulations to your daughter! I never made Who's Who, but I did know what's what.

Second base.

113 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:08:35pm

re: #98 pcalver

Since you have all the answers as to how a blog should be managed, maybe you could start your own.

114 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:09:17pm

re: #111 doppelganglander

Congratulations to your daughter! I never made Who's Who, but I did know what's what.

So did I. That's what probably kept us out of Who's Who.

115 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #98 pcalver

what kind of person are you that would not defend yourself from malicious attack?....do you have any principle or integrity yourself?...there is far more to this than what you seem to fathom weedhopper

116 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:11:34pm

re: #113 DEZes

Since you have all the answers as to how a blog should be managed, maybe you could start your own.

he would get two posts a day...one each from his mom and sister

117 Dan G.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:12:23pm

re: #116 albusteve

... for the first week, then their sympathy would wear thin.

118 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:12:35pm

I appreciated this for providing some explanation of LGF's "social location". Is it that Thruch is coming from the Ayn Rand/ libertarian side and LGF is similarly located?

What's a "non-objectivist"? What's an objectivist? Does this imply that Thruch is objectivist?

119 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:13:01pm

re: #116 albusteve

he would get two posts a day...one each from his mom and sister

LMAO!

120 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #114 USBeast

So did I. That's what probably kept us out of Who's Who.

Too right!

I really am going to walk the dog now. For those who've been following our continuing saga, she had a growth removed from her eyelid today. She came through the surgery like a champ. Now we're waiting on the histopathology report to learn whether it was just a mole or something more serious.

I'll leave you with some truly important news: First Waffle House may become historic building

121 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:14:23pm

pirate kidnappers are out of gas and adrift near the freighter....good grief

[Link: www.ft.com...]

122 Olderthandirt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:15:41pm

One of the great benefits of living in a country where freedom of speech is well practiced is that nutcases and fruitcakes make themselves well known. Geller and Spencer certainly have so labeled themselves, even if they did so unwittingly.

Where's a great Cox and Forkum cartoon when it's sorely needed to poke those twits in their tainted eyes. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

123 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:16pm

re: #111 doppelganglander

Congratulations to your daughter! I never made Who's Who, but I did know what's what.

I am in Marquis' Who's Who in America. And I often don't know what is what. So, you may be on to something.

Actually, I think people get in who know quite a bit about a narrow field. At least, that is true in my case.

124 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:25pm

re: #120 doppelganglander

Too right!

I really am going to walk the dog now. For those who've been following our continuing saga, she had a growth removed from her eyelid today. She came through the surgery like a champ. Now we're waiting on the histopathology report to learn whether it was just a mole or something more serious.

I'll leave you with some truly important news: First Waffle House may become historic building

Try this link instead

125 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:39pm

re: #116 albusteve

he would get two posts a day...one each from his mom and sister

Mom: "This is how you spend your time?. You promised you'd come and mow my lawn."

Sister: "Bro, give it up. Go mow Mom's lawn so she'll quit calling me complaining about you."

126 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:40pm

I'd also like to say that it's my opinion the site #s may be dropping for pammy and bob. Nothing like whipping up a frenzy of Charles Hate to get a certain audience to come running and inflate their numbers for them.

127 pcalver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:45pm

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

128 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:16:59pm

re: #121 albusteve

Board the skiff with cutlasses and hang them from the highest yardarm in the U.S. Navy.

129 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:17:06pm

re: #29 DEZes

Your liver may hate you for that.

130 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:17:54pm

re: #124 Wishing

Try this link instead

thank you!

131 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:17:56pm

re: #121 albusteve

pirate kidnappers are out of gas and adrift near the freighter....good grief

[Link: www.ft.com...]

Thomas Jefferson is turning in his grave.

Send in the Marines!

132 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:18:00pm

re: #121 albusteve

pirate kidnappers are out of gas and adrift near the freighter....good grief

[Link: www.ft.com...]

Waiting for the Americans and the gas can...

133 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #127 pcalver

You must have missed post number 7,000,000. Oblivion indeed. (sheesh)

134 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:19:01pm

re: #130 doppelganglander

thank you!

You are VERY welcome!

135 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:19:01pm

re: #127 pcalver


Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

I could (and did) but this will be more fun:

I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog.

Fail!

136 morning star  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:20:00pm

Inside America, it might be a good idea to remind conservatives of Bush's faults.

But one shouldn't forget that much of the rest of the world is cheering about America having a President who is bent on apologizing to Muslims for America having hurt their feelings by fighting for the civilization of the free world. And what's more, Obama's promises to "reach out to Muslims" aren't just lip service. Obama has already changed American policy on Iran, on Israel, on Saudi Arabia (whose "peace initiative" he praised) - and this is going to be much worse in the future.

Bush pandered to the Saudis while Obama really believes America must give up its leading position in the world and give ground to Islam. This is why this bow worries so many people, and rightfully so. And this is why it isn't comparable to Bush's sword dancing and hand holding, as ugly as they were.

137 Athos  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:20:23pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

GAZE is neither profane or an ad-hominum.

138 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:20:34pm

re: #128 WhiteRasta

Board the skiff with cutlasses and hang them from the highest yardarm in the U.S. Navy.

There's a reason why pirates have not attacked a U.S. flagged vessel in 200 years.

139 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:20:40pm

re: #98 pcalver

Are you trying to get flushed? I think you'll succeed.

140 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:21:27pm

re: #132 Wishing

Waiting for the Americans and the gas can...

it seems the FREIGHTER is in pursuit of the lifeboat!...hahaha...what a fucked up deal...where are the Somali jet boats and AKs?....they have abandoned their brothers to fate....this is a screwball thing unfolding...I hope the captain survives...I think he will

141 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:21:35pm

re: #138 Racer X

There's a reason why pirates have not attacked a U.S. flagged vessel in 200 years.

Let's hope this doesn't become the wave of the future.
I am praying Obama gave the go-ahead to hang em high!

142 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:21:41pm

re: #133 Bloodnok

You must have missed post number 7,000,000. Oblivion indeed. (sheesh)

Captain, we are drifting into oblivion.
Mr. Scott, we will need all the power you can muster mister.
Sir, ill do my best, we dont want to be captured by those cretins.

143 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:22:37pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

I'm a cretin?....go re-read your other post dumbass

144 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:23:12pm

re: #127 pcalver

It's not your blog though, so the focus of it is not your responsibility. It smacks of rudeness to tell your host what to do in his house.

145 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:23:21pm

re: #143 albusteve

I'm a cretin?....go re-read your other post dumbass

Ur doin' it agin (quoting).
/

146 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:23:34pm

re: #98 pcalver

You seem to be searching around for direction. I think the ideals of free speech and rationalism are great,
but how about also self-determination - check,
self-reliance - check,
loyalty to allies (like Israel) - double-plus-check,
honesty and integrity in government - check.
I suggest think you picked your own values and refocus the thoroughly and LGF blog more broadly on those is extemely principled.
- check check check -


Corrected and no thanks.
Shut the ... up! There you go, some profanity.

147 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:23:35pm

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still think the Lord Humungus had the right idea when it comes to oil.

Just walk away?

148 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:24:00pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

I'm not a cretin..whoa Wait..Did I call you a cretin?
You've made 30 posts in 18 months or so and you come here to school Charles on what to post and judge his integrity?
STFU... Try a different method of getting your point across...
And dipshit..may I call you that? This blog isn't in danger of going into Oblivion ..But you are genius.

149 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:24:15pm

re: #127 pcalver

If you had spent any time at all on LGF, you would not be making the ridiculous statements that you are making about focus and oblivion.
If you prefer blogs that make kissy face with the enemies of America, look elsewhere.
Charles does have integrity, and it appears that is the very thing that is bothering you.

150 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:24:18pm

re: #127 pcalver

You said he is pitiful and doesn't have principles. You must have a very strange concept of polite.

151 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:24:36pm

re: #140 albusteve

where are the Somali jet boats and AKs?.

LOL

152 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:24:49pm

re: #128 WhiteRasta

Board the skiff with cutlasses and hang them from the highest yardarm in the U.S. Navy.

what a mess....I like the old pirate lore tho....I think Port Royal is a very cool place...I wish the town was still there...AVAST!

153 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:25:00pm

OK, excuse me while I give BHO a pat on the back for something I agree with. I just saw the news about the WW II Filipino's that served with our troops. I did not know they were promised benefits for serving that was later withdrawn.
link.

154 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #143 albusteve

I'm a cretin?....go re-read your other post dumbass

Don't look now but he's going to take on the world!

155 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:25:45pm

I don't really see the point of being rude to the blog host. If there's a subject you don't like, don't read the thread. There's more than enough threads posted here.

Frequently I disagree with things, read the pros and cons and inevitably LEARN from it. Having a typing speed of 150 wpd keeps me from engaging as much as I'd like, unfortunately.

And that's my poor .02c

156 USBeast  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:26:05pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

It's not your blog though, so the focus of it is not your responsibility. It smacks of rudeness to tell your host what to do in his house.

Sharm, I think you have struck the right tone here. I do not always agree with Charles, but I am always mindful that this is his back yard and it's his bat and ball.

157 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:26:37pm

re: #145 Bloodnok

Ur doin' it agin (quoting).
/

nothing deletable there...just silly talk

158 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:26:39pm

re: #127 pcalver

Hi, pc. I am one of those who down dinged you. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. Posts like yours appear all to frequently. I followed LGF for almost 5 years before I registered and I am still learning the etiquette of the site. Gratuitous suggestions and criticism to the host are in bad form.

159 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:27:25pm

re: #138 Racer X

Do you suppose they waited until Obama was President before they attacked an American ship again?

160 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:27:26pm

What was he se cretin?

161 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:27:37pm

re: #153 avanti

OK, excuse me while I give BHO a pat on the back for something I agree with. I just saw the news about the WW II Filipino's that served with our troops. I did not know they were promised benefits for serving that was later withdrawn.
link.

And your proof Obama had anything to do with this other than signing the porkulus bill is what?

162 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #140 albusteve

it seems the FREIGHTER is in pursuit of the lifeboat!...hahaha...what a fucked up deal...where are the Somali jet boats and AKs?....they have abandoned their brothers to fate....this is a screwball thing unfolding...I hope the captain survives...I think he will

Does the American crew still have the one pirate in custody?

163 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:28:38pm

re: #127 pcalver

Here. Let me help you out without using any profanity. Get your own blog.

164 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:28:42pm

OT:

I was thinking of a good movie for the Holidays when it occurred to me to suggest folks consider watching 'It's A Wonderful Life'.

I know what you're thinking. "That's a Christmas movie!"

I think it's a year round LIFE affirming movie, an incredible romance, and a story of how a woman's love can make all the difference in a man's life.

This weekend, I'm going to watch it.

165 brookly red  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:28:48pm

re: #159 WhiteRasta

Do you suppose they waited until Obama was President before they attacked an American ship again?

yes

166 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #153 avanti

OK, excuse me while I give BHO a pat on the back for something I agree with. I just saw the news about the WW II Filipino's that served with our troops. I did not know they were promised benefits for serving that was later withdrawn.
link.

there is no excuse for you, ass licker

167 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:29:58pm

re: #162 Russkilitlover

Does the American crew still have the one pirate in custody?

No..wnt I read was they gave him up for the Captain..But the trade didn't go through..Kind of a surprise wasn't it?
Hey Russ! You doing OK?

168 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:30:20pm

re: #166 albusteve

there is no excuse for you, ass licker

Whoa, he told everybody last night talk like that wasn't going to win him over to the conservative side.
/

169 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:30:23pm

re: #162 Russkilitlover

Does the American crew still have the one pirate in custody?

I don't think so...it looks bad for the captain right now...but those guys are gonna be pretty thirsty soon...expect them to toss their guns over and give up...they really don't have much choice

170 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:30:42pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles?


Well, for starters, you don't begin by insulting your host with "It is kind of pitiful "comment about him, that kind of sets you up for some harsh retorts.

171 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:31:17pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

I think this is a conflict of basic visions, of fundamental ideology. Some people think it's not an issue to align with neo-nazis. Some people think it's not a problem to promote conspiracy theories.

And then there is the Derangement Syndrome of some- so knee-jerk in their desire to be at odds with Charles that they'll take the opposite position just to spite him, and all without even considering the ramifications of their contrary position.

It's quite pathetic, really.

...well maybe, but is this really about Charles? I'd like to think it's more like people of like minds read his blog and agree with him rather than subscribe to his blog like it's some ideology in it's own right, like you see with the Kos.
Normally the comments on here are so far Right I find them pretty alienating, so I find some of these threads to be kinda odd. When I posted a complaint about Alex Jones being used as a source on some Conservative blogs, nobody really replied or expressed similar outrage. I'm a disenfranchised Democrat though, so to me, it just seems like everyone has various people they're aligned with and trust, and there's some backbiting going on. The Atlas Shrug situation doesn't strike me as in the same league as this Beck stuff for example.

172 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:31:22pm

re: #98 pcalver

Possible Responses:
  Yes/No
  Or what?
  Go Away
  Please Come Back Later
  Fuck you asshole
  Fuck you

/terminator

173 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:31:40pm

re: #168 Aviator

Whoa, he told everybody last night talk like that wasn't going to win him over to the conservative side.
/

I am easy going and try to be non judgemental....this guy is an asshole...a thread whore...and a commie/socialist

174 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:31:52pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles?

An apology right about now would be in good taste.

175 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #98 pcalver

I don't find every post here particularly rockin', but that's all right, because many of them are.

Similarly I don't expect every story in Car & Driver to feature my favorite vehicle -- the 1981 Dodge Caravan with hidden 1992 Cheerios -- so I'll sit through an occasional spread on the 1955 356 Speedster.

176 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:32:30pm

re: #166 albusteve

Steve, Port Royal is still around, but it is a bit of a dive. There's a restaurant called Gloria's that's pretty good.

Morgan's Harbour Hotel is still around, but I have not been there for years.

177 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:32:34pm

re: #161 Aviator

And your proof Obama had anything to do with this other than signing the porkulus bill is what?

OK, credit to the new congress then, I just think it was a good thing.

178 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:32:50pm

re: #173 albusteve

I am easy going and try to be non judgemental....this guy is an asshole...a thread whore...and a commie/socialist

He seems to have hit the trifecta.

179 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:33:05pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

I think you are adrift..
And I think you are full of shit...
Who the fuck are you to come here and tell Charles what to post?
You've made 30 friggin posts in a year and a half.. What have you contributed
lately?


Always nice to reply to an honest opinion with a profanity laced diatribe.

That's a hell of a contribution.

180 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:33:14pm

re: #127 pcalver

I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion.

Wow, you're still here? Charles must be busy at the moment.

/sucks to be your not long for this world LGF account

181 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:33:51pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

OT:

I was thinking of a good movie for the Holidays when it occurred to me to suggest folks consider watching 'It's A Wonderful Life'.

I know what you're thinking. "That's a Christmas movie!"

I think it's a year round LIFE affirming movie, an incredible romance, and a story of how a woman's love can make all the difference in a man's life.

This weekend, I'm going to watch it.

I watched Mr. Smith Goes to Washington on a whim over Christmas. While I couldn't help thinking of Obama and the Chicago machine at various points it really lifted my spirits. It was so nice to hear Jimmy Stewart extoll the virtues of the American political system. And Jean Arthur was to die for.

182 pcalver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:00pm

re: #139 NukeAtomrod

Are you trying to get flushed? I think you'll succeed.

For polite discourse? That would be ironic, don't you think? I'm just suggesting that focusing on Obama's bow as a topic is a low water mark for the blog, and that a refocusing on larger matters in a coherent way is in order, IMHO. Also, I must say that 7,000,000 comments of the "me, too" sort on these pages are not so impressive.
I also assume Charles is able to speak for himself, and can speak to his own thought process and philosophy. If he "flushes" me, it will unfortunately be very telling about his tolerance for free speech and discussion. I hope he would not do so, but that he might respond substantively.

183 Wild Knight  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:04pm

Well, Charles is certainly maintaining sanity on the blogsphere. The amount of crap out there is blinding and I've often mulled giving up reading the ranting that passes for commentary on so many sites - including the MSM of course. LGF however has managed to steer clear of both the Scylla and Charybdis of the "left" and "right" and preserves the common sense which has become so lacking nowadays.

184 Dan G.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:10pm

re: #180 Killian Bundy

Dead man walkin'... Dead man walkin'...

185 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:11pm

re: #177 avanti

OK, credit to the new congress then, I just think it was a good thing.

Fair enough.

186 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:11pm

re: #179 Hawaii69

Piss off!

187 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:39pm

re: #179 Hawaii69

Always nice to reply to an honest opinion with a profanity laced diatribe.

That's a hell of a contribution.

No it's pure fun.

188 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:34:47pm

re: #167 HoosierHoops

I'm doing fair to middling. Job's a bore, but it's a job and I'm giving it my all. Unemployment sucks (although I did enjoy sleeping-in everyday). New puppy is not chewing my shoes anymore, but he likes to eat snails and I can't tell you what that does to what comes out his innards!

Howzaboutu?

189 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #171 wordsworth

When I posted a complaint about Alex Jones being used as a source on some Conservative blogs, nobody really replied or expressed similar outrage.

I don't know what you're talking about. There have been threads on LGF concerning Alex Jones being used as a source.

190 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #18 opnion

You can't excuse Bush & then blame Obama for similar conduct.
However if you did break bad on Bush for it, then I would say that Obama is fair game.
It is really not getting a lot of play anyway & the White House is silly to comment.

opinion -

For what it is worth - not much really - GWB got a medal when he bowed, an acknowledgment, an exchange. Pres. Obama did the same and got NOTHING! Perhaps all we are discussing is "Price."
My opinions of the "Saudi" regime, if stated in full, might just get me banned. That is all.

-S-

191 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:35:32pm

re: #177 avanti

OK, credit to the new congress then, I just think it was a good thing, and I really really love Obama! Gosh, did I type that out loud? I'm gushing again aren't I? *swoon*.

/fixed

*dry heave*

192 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:35:53pm

re: #182 pcalver

Again, it is OBVIOUS that you haven't actually read anything here. If you had, you would not make such a stupid statement about the bowing thread.
Sheesh.

193 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:36:10pm

avanti...you insulted me, you have insulted people invested in the market, you have insulted all LGF posters that don't agree with you and WORST of all you have insulted our dead heros over in France...you are a blind Obot and after weeks of tolerating you I give up...you have little to offer but polls and media rag...you are not my kind of American...you are the problem with this country, your blind ignorance and twisted patriotism....fuck off

194 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:37:01pm

re: #182 pcalver

Oh brother! Look- it ain't your blog to dictate the focus. Full stop.

Now- are you fishing for a martyr cookie or what?

195 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:37:17pm

BTW: I was in Manhattan this morning, about 11am, and it was SNOWING.

Happy Easter.

196 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:37:35pm

Avanti has derailed enough threads today. GAZE

197 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:27pm

re: #176 WhiteRasta

Steve, Port Royal is still around, but it is a bit of a dive. There's a restaurant called Gloria's that's pretty good.

Morgan's Harbour Hotel is still around, but I have not been there for years.

we took a little boat out and you could see the rocks and masonry of the old town...it's right off shore just yards...I hung out there all day, but that was years ago and there was nobody around but my wife and I...

198 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:41pm

re: #182 pcalver

If you get flushed, it will be because you are out and out RUDE. The fact that you can't/won't see that means you're an asshole, too.

199 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:42pm

re: #195 DistantThunder

I thought snow on Easter was mandatory in New York.

200 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:51pm

Seriously- over half that atlas/jihadwatch thread was unreadable because of avanti.

ENOUGH

201 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:38:55pm

avanti, otingoc, and pcalver, speaking of a trifecta!

202 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:39:29pm

re: #199 irongrampa

I thought snow on Easter was mandatory in New York.

And old guy down at the Deli was telling me that they would routinely get snow it Vermont in May.

203 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:39:58pm

re: #195 DistantThunder

BTW: I was in Manhattan this morning, about 11am, and it was SNOWING.

Happy Easter.

It snowed all last night in NE Ohio. Fortunately the accumulation has melted.

Happy Easter. :)

204 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:39:59pm

BREAKING NEWS:
The White House reports that a kidney stone forced President Obama to double over in pain just as he was greeting King Abdullah.

205 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:02pm

Woo Haa (AC DC vs. Busta Rhymes) MashUp

NSFW language

206 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:04pm

The trolls that don't kill us make us stronger.

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

I've never actually had a martyr cookie. Are they warm and chewy and chocolatey? Or cold and crunchy? Probably, I'm guessing, they're the type your great-aunt kept around and you were obliged to have one and smile.

208 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Seriously- over half that atlas/jihadwatch thread was unreadable because of avanti.

ENOUGH

I would like to suggest a "hide asshole comments" button.

209 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:36pm
210 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:47pm

re: #175 Cognito

I so I'll sit through an occasional spread on the 1955 356 Speedster.

I had a 1955 Studebaker Speedster, painted subtle 50's colors. :)

Speedster.

211 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:55pm

re: #202 DistantThunder

And old guy down at the Deli was telling me that they would routinely get snow it Vermont in May.

Before global warming they had snow in August too.
/

212 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:40:57pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Seriously- over half that atlas/jihadwatch thread was unreadable because of avanti.

ENOUGH

I will say no more...

213 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:02pm

re: #182 pcalver

For polite discourse? That would be ironic, don't you think? I'm just suggesting that focusing on Obama's bow as a topic is a low water mark for the blog, and that a refocusing on larger matters in a coherent way is in order, IMHO. Also, I must say that 7,000,000 comments of the "me, too" sort on these pages are not so impressive.
I also assume Charles is able to speak for himself, and can speak to his own thought process and philosophy. If he "flushes" me, it will unfortunately be very telling about his tolerance for free speech and discussion. I hope he would not do so, but that he might respond substantively.

So you come in here and start giving Charles suggestions on how to run his blog. A few more things evolved in which you go out of your way to insult most of the people in here.

No, please tell me how you, with only 32 comments under your belt are able to surmise that 7,000,000 comments are of the "me too sort" are not so impressive. Granted there are times when we all hang loose and those are know as the drinking threads or the overnight threads.

You're not only unhappy with the way this site is run then. You are also unhappy with the members since we are basically, as you put it, only posting "me too" comments.

Why are you even here?

214 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:02pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

I've never actually had a martyr cookie. Are they warm and chewy and chocolatey? Or cold and crunchy? Probably, I'm guessing, they're the type your great-aunt kept around and you were obliged to have one and smile.

I dunno, but they're made by Troll-House.

215 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:11pm

re: #202 DistantThunder


Where i live in NY currently, we can see the mountains in Vermont.

216 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:35pm

re: #182 pcalver

Golly, I had to down ding you again for being an intollerable asshole who didn't read my very nice explanation of LGF etiquette, you uncouth nimnal.

217 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:43pm

re: #182 pcalver

Charles is able to speak for himself, and can speak to his own thought process and philosophy. If he "flushes" me, it will unfortunately be very telling about his tolerance for free speech and discussion. I hope he would not do so, but that he might respond substantively.

That's when not if. MARTYR ALERT!

/you know, if you post really fast, you might just make it to 50 comments before you go bye bye

218 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:50pm

re: #179 Hawaii69

Always nice to reply to an honest opinion with a profanity laced diatribe.

That's a hell of a contribution.

I do what I can..Since I've been here I've seen many lizards get slapped down by Charles for telling him what to post...
Just cause I don't know you...I hope today finds you well..

219 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:41:58pm

re: #173 albusteve
albusteve,
Are you upset because Avanti praised BHO about the WWII Filipinos?

220 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:00pm

re: #209 Cognito

Get your own blog so we can come over and tell you what to post.

221 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:30pm

re: #219 Simply Me

albusteve,
Are you upset because Avanti praised BHO about the WWII Filipinos?

no

222 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:42pm

re: #179 Hawaii69

Always nice to reply to an honest opinion with a profanity laced diatribe.

That's a hell of a contribution.

HoosierHoops' posts here are valued and welcome.

What have you contributed here? If the language offends you, go find a prissypants blog where you won't blush.

223 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #215 irongrampa

Where i live in NY currently, we can see the mountains in Vermont.

Are you related to Ms Palin?
/

224 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:52pm

re: #209 Cognito

And that one got reported. You have a lot of nerve after the graciousness you've been shown to demand anything around here.

225 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:53pm

our friends the turks ...

Dear Mr President, this is what the followers of the koran think of people of African descent.

226 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:42:54pm

re: #204 HelloDare

BREAKING NEWS:
The White House reports that a kidney stone forced President Obama to double over in pain just as he was greeting King Abdullah.

I think the point missed about the bow or whatever it was, is that a large percentage of the world is illiterate, and they get their politics from visuals and audio. I don't care because I've been saying for months that Obama is a beta male - I can smell them a mile away - but others interpret it to their advantage.

227 pcalver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:43:03pm

re: #198 Russkilitlover

If you get flushed, it will be because you are out and out RUDE. The fact that you can't/won't see that means you're an asshole, too.

The irony in your post is almost too much. Good one. Apparently, I'm rude, but you (and several other folks responding here) insulting me with profanity and personal attacks are demonstrating acceptable behavior. That's priceless.

228 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:43:12pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

I don't know what you're talking about. There have been threads on LGF concerning Alex Jones being used as a source.

I just recall the one thread when Fox did it....and Fox is Fox, and everything they do is scrutinized. There are entire blogs devoted to their every sneeze.

229 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:43:39pm

re: #227 pcalver

The irony in your post is almost too much. Good one. Apparently, I'm rude, but you (and several other folks responding here) insulting me with profanity and personal attacks are demonstrating acceptable behavior. That's priceless.

/are you going to cry now?

230 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:43:54pm

re: #182 pcalver

If Mandy hasn't already told you, go piss up a rope.

If Mandy has already told you, DITTOS.

231 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:44:11pm

re: #191 Racer X

/fixed

*dry heave*

Mock if you like, I just like seeing those old warriors get some recognition. I'm done now.

232 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:44:35pm

re: #223 Wishing

LOL, no, but I wouldn't mind being.

233 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:45:50pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

I do what I can..Since I've been here I've seen many lizards get slapped down by Charles for telling him what to post...
Just cause I don't know you...I hope today finds you well..

Did I misunderstand Hawaii's post?

234 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:45:57pm

re: #214 Bloodnok

I dunno, but they're made by Troll-House.


Now THAT was funny. lol!

235 pcalver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:04pm

re: #229 Killian Bundy

/are you going to cry now?

Only if you bother to respond again in such a helpful way ;

236 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:18pm

re: #228 wordsworth

I just recall the one thread when Fox did it....and Fox is Fox, and everything they do is scrutinized. There are entire blogs devoted to their every sneeze.

And LGF exposed that on a front page post where it was roundly criticized.

237 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:39pm

Everyone seems a little edgy tonight. I think Obama is turning this into a mean country.

238 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:43pm

re: #201 Wishing

avanti, otingoc, and pcalver, speaking of a trifecta!

Lame.

Quote, when you criticize.

Otherwise it's a laughable comparison.

239 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:43pm

Just heard Shep on Fox say that Madonna has planned a half million donation to the people in Italy.

And we gave what?

240 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:46:45pm

re: #227 pcalver

The irony in your post is almost too much. Good one. Apparently, I'm rude, but you (and several other folks responding here) insulting me with profanity and personal attacks are demonstrating acceptable behavior. That's priceless.

you have no cred...nobody cares what you think...you started bad and won't back off...

241 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:47:31pm

re: #197 albusteve

Next time you are there, take the canoe ferry out to Lime Key.....

242 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:47:32pm

re: #229 Killian Bundy

/are you going to cry now?

Scott Farkas!

243 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:47:32pm

re: #182 pcalver

Whatever. Be seeing you.

244 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #235 pcalver

Only if you bother to respond again in such a helpful way ;

Are you a lumberjack?

/do you trust the Shover Robot?

245 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:48:10pm
246 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:48:14pm

re: #239 irongrampa

Just heard Shep on Fox say that Madonna has planned a half million donation to the people in Italy.

And we gave what?

iPods with Obama's speeches on them.

247 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:48:52pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

Get your own blog so we can come over and tell you what to post.

I don't recall telling Charles what to post. I do quite clearly recall saying I don't mind sitting through the occasional post that doesn't particularly float my boat.

Comments by goofballs slinging spitballs? Not so much.

248 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:49:26pm

re: #241 WhiteRasta

Next time you are there, take the canoe ferry out to Lime Key.....

could be awhile bro...my turf is Pt Antonio and Whitehouse...but I have very fond memories...I need about a month down there to get straight again

249 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:50:03pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh, dear. You've reported me?

Perhaps it's best to understand a comment before clicking the little exclamation point.

At any rate, moving on.

250 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:50:12pm

Remember these collapsing toys?

Somebody should make one in the image of Obama.
Okay, and a Bush, Clinton, et al.

251 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:16pm

re: #233 DEZes

Did I misunderstand Hawaii's post?

Hi Dez
I read this in the beginning of the post:
Charles,
I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog.

I don't find myself arguing with fellow lizards often..But the beginning of it's post set me off..
I'm bad..Sorry

252 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:26pm

C*gnit* has derailed enough threads to last a lifetime. GAZE

253 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #8 Iron Fist

It is sad, really. But what are you going to do?

Get LGF candidates on the ballot in 50 states.

254 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:39pm

re: #248 albusteve

Whitehouse in Sav-La-Mar? I love Port Antonio, the original garden of Eden.

255 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:51:40pm

Interesting squib on the National Guard enlistments, seems they're through the roof. Not because of the economy, but people apparently have a sincere desire to serve their country.

What a genuinely nice thing to see.

256 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:52:00pm

re: #193 albusteve

avanti...you insulted me, you have insulted people invested in the market, you have insulted all LGF posters that don't agree with you and WORST of all you have insulted our dead heros over in France...you are a blind Obot and after weeks of tolerating you I give up...you have little to offer but polls and media rag...you are not my kind of American...you are the problem with this country, your blind ignorance and twisted patriotism....fuck off

I don't recall a personal insult I've made to anyone on here. Yes, I've talked about the stock market, and discussed a lot of issues. For one, show me when I insulted our dead hero's anywhere, anytime.

257 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:52:08pm

re: #25 albusteve

"when you're sitting back in your rose pink Cadillac
making bets on Kentucky Derby Day
I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon
and another girl to take my pain away"

Ahhh, my all time favorite 'Country' song by a British band !
Maybe my all time fav. period ? Bloody brilliant, dang it !
Git 'er done...

258 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:52:21pm

re: #247 Cognito

I don't recall telling Charles what to post. I do quite clearly recall saying I don't mind sitting through the occasional post that doesn't particularly float my boat.

Comments by goofballs slinging spitballs? Not so much.

Cognita!...nice dress!...anyway, you've done more than your share of shitslinging and I consider our resident goofball...say something interesting for us....

259 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:52:25pm

re: #247 Cognito

I don't recall telling Charles what to post. I do quite clearly recall saying I don't mind sitting through the occasional post that doesn't particularly float my boat.

Comments by goofballs slinging spitballs? Not so much.

Your own words from comment #209:

Good grief. Who cares about who insulted whom, who's in a snit, et cetera ad nauseam.

How about we discuss the American sea captain held by Somali pirates.

Or Ahmadinejad's stance toward Obama.

Or the earthquake in Italy.

Anything.

260 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:53:03pm

re: #252 Sharmuta

Please and thank you.

Anyway, so.

I sure do wish I knew better how those American crewmen seized their ship back from the Somali pirates. And seized a pirate as well, if I understand correctly. Has anyone seen a particularly insightful story about how that went down?

261 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:53:04pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

Hi Dez
I read this in the beginning of the post:
Charles,
I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog.

I don't find myself arguing with fellow lizards often..But the beginning of it's post set me off..
I'm bad..Sorry

Okay confusion, was Hawaii not taking a jab at you?

262 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:53:28pm

re: #257 leftover54

That song reminds me of a girl from a long time ago......

263 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:53:34pm

re: #259 Russkilitlover

Never mind there is already a thread on the Somali pirates from earlier today.....

264 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:54:00pm

re: #260 Cognito

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

265 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:54:28pm

re: #259 Russkilitlover

Read post 175. Should be pretty clear that 209 is directed at all the silliness in the comments section.

Let's amble on down the road.

266 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #258 albusteve

Cognita!...nice dress!

LMBO!

267 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:54:32pm

Struggling US towns print their own currency

Communities across America are bypassing the dollar and creating their own currencies in an attempt to help both consumers and businesses struggling in the recession.

The idea, borrowed from the Depression era when the currencies were known as "scrip", is designed to boost local spending and keep money circulating within the community.

Typically, a group of businesses print a new currency which shoppers can then buy at a discount – typically one dollar will cost 90 to 95 cents – and spend at full value with participating companies.

/wow, they've invented . . . GIFT CERTIFICATES!

268 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:55:02pm

re: #254 WhiteRasta

Whitehouse in Sav-La-Mar? I love Port Antonio, the original garden of Eden.

yes down the way from Sav...my property is above Cave, west of Bluefields...but I love the drive along the north coast from MoBay to Pt Antonia....that is a world class adventure and have done it many times...I miss Jamaica so much I could just cry

269 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:55:05pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

And LGF exposed that on a front page post where it was roundly criticized.

Obviously I'm aware of that and acknowledging this.

Look, take a close look at what happened in Israel, where there is no real effective Right as a result of trying hard to appear rational and moderate. The hawks, and unrelenting ideologues were marginalized, and the leftist agenda won out to the point where even it's opposition is still handing them their goals which will likely destroy their country. I see a similar thing happening here by putting the Fox anchors, who may deserve criticism, in the same boat as extremists.

270 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:56:25pm

re: #237 DistantThunder

Everyone seems a little edgy tonight. I think Obama is turning this into a mean country.

He's turning it into No Country for Bold Men.....
/

271 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #257 leftover54

Ahhh, my all time favorite 'Country' song by a British band !
Maybe my all time fav. period ? Bloody brilliant, dang it !
Git 'er done...

soul brother...I'm deep in

272 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #261 DEZes

Okay confusion, was Hawaii not taking a jab at you?

That's how I saw it......

273 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:57:33pm

re: #258 albusteve

Cognita!...nice dress!

I'm amazed that you persist with this 'insult.' Twice on this thread, no less.
A friendly piece of advice: Ladies don't particularly think they're lesser, so it's insulting to them, not me, when you say such.

274 Viking6  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:57:38pm

re: #96 _RememberTonyC

Great Post. I use a slightly different approach... I hate everyone equally so I never have to be faced with difficult choices.

//////////

275 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:57:43pm

To clarify, I think extreme views serve a purpose, and we shouldn't confuse those with that of neo nazis who obviously should be villainized.

276 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:58:17pm

re: #261 DEZes

Okay confusion, was Hawaii not taking a jab at you?

Probably.. It's Cool..
I got destroyed by a guard in College..and damn he trash talked me all game..
I went home and cried myself to sleep...I'm not worried about words on a blog and I won't cry tonight...
It's cool DEZ..

277 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:00pm

re: #273 Cognito

I'm amazed that you persist with this 'insult.' Twice on this thread, no less.
A friendly piece of advice: Ladies don't particularly think they're lesser, so it's insulting to them, not me, when you say such.

I don't want your advice you presumptuous ass

278 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:13pm

re: #277 albusteve

I don't want your advice you presumptuous ass

There ya go!

279 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:20pm

re: #276 HoosierHoops
You are THE MAN.

280 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:27pm

re: #269 wordsworth

I stopped watching fox news years ago. I have considered them to be a moby news network for quite a long time. I'm not going to waste an ounce of breath defending what I think is a subterfuge.

281 Wishing  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:31pm

re: #273 Cognito

I'm amazed that you persist with this 'insult.' Twice on this thread, no less.
A friendly piece of advice: Ladies don't particularly think they're lesser, so it's insulting to them, not me, when you say such.


Actually, it is funny no matter what! LMBOH!

282 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:47pm

re: #267 Killian Bundy

Struggling US towns print their own currency

/wow, they've invented . . . GIFT CERTIFICATES!

... which are purchased at less than their face value, but the value stays in the community, rather than disappearing into some gigantic, impersonal entity (corporate or governmental).

283 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #272 LGoPs

That's how I saw it......

Good, I thought maybe I jumped the gun, Hoops has no need to apologize to me, I was thinking I needed to.

284 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 4:59:58pm

re: #277 albusteve

GAZE, Hon- GAZE him.

285 cronus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:00:13pm

Anybody remember when Rush Limbaugh went after Pat Buchanan during the NAFTA debate (after Buchanan went all-in for protectionism)? I can't find a link but I distinctly remember Rush took a lot of grief from so called conservatives who made up the Pitchfork Pat Brigade.

That situation isn't perfectly analogous to this debate but at the time I would have been surprised if serious people had said that in a couple years Buchanan would cease to be seen as a real conservative by serious conservatives. I anticipate the same fate certainly for Geller, Spencer and, unless he can regain his foothold in reality, Glenn Beck.

286 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:01:01pm

Completely OT but I have a new name for Hillary's book. It should be renamed It Takes a Villain.

Mwahahahaha........

287 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:00pm

Okay, THE BOW is being featured on O'Reilly--NOW we'll get the definitive word!/

288 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #195 DistantThunder

It was snowing horizontal in Manhattan.

289 Perry  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:18pm

re: #285 cronus

I remember. And look at what Buchanan has become.

290 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:19pm

I'm thinking pcalver is not a big picture kind of guy. Failing to grasp the overall
theme of this blog make pcalver a dull boy.

Myself? I am, in contrast, more of an antidisestablishmentantiidiotarian I daresay.

291 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:19pm

re: #286 LGoPs

Completely OT but I have a new name for Hillary's book. It should be renamed It Takes a Villain.

Mwahahahaha........

Mine was "It Takes a Village Idiot".
I like yours better.

292 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:24pm

re: #283 DEZes

Good, I thought maybe I jumped the gun, Hoops has no need to apologize to me, I was thinking I needed to.

Good to have lizards watching each other's six o'clock.....
:)

293 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

GAZE, Hon- GAZE him.

right...

294 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #291 DEZes

Mine was "It Takes a Village Idiot".
I like yours better.

Actually that's great too. Let's call it a tie.
:)

295 callahan23  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:03:57pm

Lizards, lasses 'n guys. I must leave. Love ya all, mostly ;-) See you all around.

296 Sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:04:11pm

re: #239 irongrampa

How many children did she buy with that for her menagerie?

297 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:04:48pm

re: #280 Sharmuta

I stopped watching fox news years ago. I have considered them to be a moby news network for quite a long time. I'm not going to waste an ounce of breath defending what I think is a subterfuge.

I'm not going to claim Fox is above criticism but is there a moderate news channel you do watch and find reputable instead then?

298 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:04:50pm
299 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:04:58pm

re: #287 irongrampa

Okay, THE BOW is being featured on O'Reilly--NOW we'll get the definitive word!/

well O'Reily will fix the whole issue then!...good lord what a blowhard...thanks Bill for keeping this story alive!

300 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:05:11pm

re: #296 Sifty

At least 5, compensating for inflation.

301 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:05:26pm

re: #295 callahan23

Lizards, lasses 'n guys. I must leave. Love ya all, mostly ;-) See you all around.

Take care Callahan.....
:)

302 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:06:08pm

re: #280 Sharmuta

I stopped watching fox news years ago. I have considered them to be a moby news network for quite a long time. I'm not going to waste an ounce of breath defending what I think is a subterfuge.


I absolutely REFUSE to watch ANY network news, including Fox. It's all sound-bite crap AND geared for ratings, which is fine for them, but not for the person who just wants facts without all the other nonsense.

303 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:06:11pm

re: #298 Cognito

Hmm.
Ahmadinejad poking finger in America's already-black eye.

Not so smart.

Why? We're not going to do a damned thing.

304 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:06:15pm

re: #295 callahan23

Lizards, lasses 'n guys. I must leave. Love ya all, mostly ;-) See you all around.

Chau

305 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:06:39pm

re: #287 irongrampa

Okay, THE BOW is being featured on O'Reilly--NOW we'll get the definitive word!/

OK, secret pleasure, I often enjoy watching O'Reily, especially now that he seems reasonable compared to Beck. He's dissing on Barney Frank right now, and I don't mind a bit.

306 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:07pm

re: #302 rightymouse

C'mon. You at least much watch Cavuto.

307 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:19pm

re: #295 callahan23

Take care, sir.

308 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:42pm

re: #306 BatGuano

C'mon. You at least much watch Cavuto.


Nope.

309 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:51pm

re: #297 wordsworth

I'm not going to claim Fox is above criticism but is there a moderate news channel source you do watch and find reputable instead then?

Yes- it's called LGF.

310 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:07:57pm

re: #268 albusteve

The road between Oracabessa and Port Antonio is a freaking nightmare, little more than a donkey path.

It does keep the crazy drivers slow, though.

311 Sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:08:00pm

re: #300 irongrampa

I think Lipsgelina and Maddona are trying to start a new sweat shop / soccer league.

312 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:08:07pm

re: #239 irongrampa

Just heard Shep on Fox say that Madonna has planned a half million donation to the people in Italy.

She's probably angling to get a free baby out of it.

313 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #305 avanti

The only reason I watch O'Reilly is to catch the Dennis Miller segments.

314 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #302 rightymouse

I absolutely REFUSE to watch ANY network news, including Fox. It's all sound-bite crap AND geared for ratings, which is fine for them, but not for the person who just wants facts without all the other nonsense.

I'm strictly an internet news girl. If it's not online- it's not news.

315 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:09:18pm

re: #6 Athens Runaway

I have been reminding my Republican friends who are upset about Obama bowing (or whatever he did) that not only did Bush sword-dance with the Saudis, he bowed as well.

Not that it makes it right, but it's important not to put inconvenient truths down the memory hole.

I haven't read many of the comments on the bowing threads, but I think anyone upset about Obama's bow is probably being consistent because iirc most people around here were not happy with Bush when he did the sword dance, begged the Saudis to pump more oil, held hands with Abdullah, etc. We were mad about the Dubai ports issue, browbeating Israel, Laura's wearing an abaya and scarf in Saudi, and Bush's pal Bandar's antics.

If someone is pissed off about Obama's bow (only a day or two after he met the Queen of England and did not bow), chances are it's only because someone's being consistent in their revulsion at American presidents kowtowing to Saudis.

Another thing: Bush did kowtow, but his record wasn't only one of bending to Islamists and Arab nations. He also invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, and has been hunting terrorists in other places like Yemen and S.E. Asia. So, he did some good things, but his recored vis a vis Islam ended up being somewhat mixed. Obama, on the other hand, has been completely in thrall to them and has nothing to suggest that we could even hope for a mixed record in that area.

Maybe some people were going too far in what they thought should result from Obama's bow (impeachment), but were that many people really suggesting that extreme of a response? I don't know, I haven't read enough other blogs or enough comments here, but my shallow perusal hasn't shown me much to suggest that many people are calling for impeachment and other things like that.

316 Sifty  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:09:44pm

re: #303 Russkilitlover

The Obama Doctrine:

If the appeasement and the bribing doesn't work, we can always surrender.

317 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:10:02pm

re: #302 rightymouse

I absolutely REFUSE to watch ANY network news, including Fox. It's all sound-bite crap AND geared for ratings, which is fine for them, but not for the person who just wants facts without all the other nonsense.

I stopped watching the MFM over 15 years ago. I stopped watching Fox on Nov 5th to help keep my blood pressure down and to stop scaring the neighbors kids and small animals. My shrieks and curses made them nervous......
:)

318 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:10:13pm

re: #299 albusteve

well O'Reily will fix the whole issue then!...good lord what a blowhard...thanks Bill for keeping this story alive!

Bowgate

We're reaching the point were this has taken on a life of it's own. Depending on the staying power it might become an industry in itself.

319 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

Yes- it's called LGF.

I know I'm wading into a big ol' mess, here, but I'll note that LGF doesn't actually produce the news stories. So you're getting your news from the AP, Reuters, the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the San Francisco Chronicle, et cetera, just like always.

320 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:11:16pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

Yes- it's called LGF.

You're kidding right? So if Charles didn't report it, then it didn't happen?
Even if you're being flippant, I just find this attitude to be about as self defeating as when I hear similar statements coming on radical websites of the left. That's not a moderate approach, so if we're really speaking of subterfuge, well....

321 DEZes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:11:17pm

Well, I'm off.
Be safe Lizards.

322 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:11:21pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

I'm strictly an internet news girl. If it's not online- it's not news.

Amen, sistah! :)

323 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:11:51pm

Don't mind keeping Fox on. it's good background niose, and occasionally you catch a nugget like the NG story.

324 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:11:55pm

re: #321 DEZes

Well, I'm off.
Be safe Lizards.


See ya! Going couchular soon myself.

325 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:03pm
326 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:05pm

re: #321 DEZes

Well, I'm off.
Be safe Lizards.

... be careful out there.

/I miss Sgt. Esterhaus

327 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:09pm

re: #321 DEZes

Well, I'm off.
Be safe Lizards.

Take care DEZ......

328 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:38pm

re: #326 OldLineTexan

Good show, wasn't it?

329 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:46pm

re: #313 irongrampa

The only reason I watch O'Reilly is to catch the Dennis Miller segments.

Get ready for a treat then, he's doing the bow thing next.

330 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:52pm

The stalkers are out on Amit's site.

331 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:12:58pm

re: #303 Russkilitlover

Why? We're not going to do a damned thing.

Oh yeah? US to join Iran talks. Take that by God!

332 cronus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:00pm

re: #289 Perry

I remember. And look at what Buchanan has become.

Given where they are now, imagine what Geller and Spencer could be saying 10 years from now...

333 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:11pm

Hexapod Robot CNC Router - Cutting 3D face

334 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:26pm

re: #328 irongrampa

Good show, wasn't it?

I really liked that show.

335 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:13:31pm

re: #320 wordsworth

Between Charles and all the lizards who post spinoff links or stories in the comments section, and the news surfing I do on my own, I feel I'm a pretty well informed citizen. Go ahead and try a strictly internet news diet for a week. You might not go back to TV.

336 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:14:11pm

re: #331 The Shadow Do

Oh yeah? US to join Iran talks. Take that by God!

That should show 'em.

337 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:14:34pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

Yes- it's called LGF.

I get my news links from Drudge, mainly (although I have to be careful about where they lead).

MEMRI is good too. and Yourish.

338 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:14:40pm

Additionally- many of the programs on fox lag behind the Lizards by days.

339 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:14:43pm

re: #334 OldLineTexan

Do you remember Tour Of Duty?

Set in Vietnam, and fairly true to life.

340 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:15:19pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

Additionally- many of the programs on fox lag behind the Lizards by days.

I've noticed that too.

341 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:15:31pm

re: #337 Zimriel

I get my news links from Drudge, mainly (although I have to be careful about where they lead).

MEMRI is good too. and Yourish.

I first stopped watching Special Report with Brit Hume when I'd heard all the grapevine stuff from earlier in the day thanks to LGFers.

342 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:15:33pm

re: #310 WhiteRasta

The road between Oracabessa and Port Antonio is a freaking nightmare, little more than a donkey path.

It does keep the crazy drivers slow, though.

my favorite stretch...after hurricane Gilbert the entire coast was barely passable...it took years to fix...I remember a chunk of coral the size of a house washed ashore near St Anns Bay...they just rebuilt the road around it!...Oracabessa is extremely beautiful and Port Antonio/Duncans etc is my favorite place on the island....alot changed in the 30 years I visited that island

343 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:15:50pm

re: #298 Cognito

Hmm.
Ahmadinejad poking finger in America's already-black eye.

Not so smart.

Maybe so, but the "ONE" is all puckered up waiting to kiss Short Shit's arse!

/S

344 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:15:52pm

re: #308 rightymouse

Nope.

Hey Righty, I have Fox on right now and several windows open for news. I rely more on the Internet than cable. If you haven't checked out Cavuto, it might be worthwhile. If you have watched and you're not impressed, that's good too. :)

345 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:16:08pm

There's not enough controversy around here.

Hitchens vs. Ken Blackwell: Is America a Christian nation?

346 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:16:11pm

Somebody at liveleak has a thing for hexapods....
Hexapod Robot Ant

347 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:16:58pm

re: #319 Cognito

I know I'm wading into a big ol' mess, here, but I'll note that LGF doesn't actually produce the news stories. So you're getting your news from the AP, Reuters, the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the San Francisco Chronicle, et cetera, just like always.

stating the obvious...well done

348 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:17:17pm

The stalkers are now showing up in the comments for Amit Ghate's blog, including Richard L. Kent, Esq., world's angriest young earth creationist weirdo.

349 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:17:19pm

Some stories must be seen. Katrina for example.

I think it's best to consume as many sources as possible. Letting LGF be your main source of stories is about as reliable as checking into The Daily Show once a day. It's a bit curated, methinks.

350 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:17:25pm

re: #342 albusteve

Oracabessa , just fabulous! Ian Fleming and Noel Coward both had houses there.

351 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:17:44pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Most excellent.

352 Perry  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #332 cronus
I shudder when I think I ever had any beliefs in common with Buchanan. Watching Robert Spencer losing his marbles has been bad. Pamela, not so much (catty feelings go way back).

353 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:18:10pm

re: #348 Charles

The stalkers are now showing up in the comments for Amit Ghate's blog, including Richard L. Kent, Esq., world's angriest young earth creationist weirdo.

I thought that was spelled weirod........
:)

354 TheHistorian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:18:19pm

re: #7 albusteve

I disagree that conservatism is dead. Go see the link [Link: mediamatters.org...] and watch them try to spin the exit polling in 2008. Americans are center-right. You talk to them, and they stand on the right of free speech, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, and the panoply of issues that exist out there. Most of them do not mind evolution being taught, but want "equal time" for other concepts which may include "creationism".

355 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #339 irongrampa

Do you remember Tour Of Duty?

Set in Vietnam, and fairly true to life.

I don't think I saw that one. Timeframe?

356 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Perfect for the remake of Attack Of The Killer Ants.

357 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:19:06pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

Additionally- many of the programs on fox lag behind the Lizards by days.

True. subjects are discussed for days on this site before Fox or the MSM picks them up.

358 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:19:19pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

Additionally- many of the programs on fox lag behind the Lizards by days.

I find that a lot with talk radio too. Except Rush, perhaps.

Our local talk radio out of Pittsburgh is sometimes days behind. On the other hand, they've broadcasted audio of amazing stuff I haven't heard before. So it works out just fine. TV? Bahhhhh.....

359 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:19:54pm

re: #348 Charles

The stalkers are now showing up in the comments for Amit Ghate's blog, including Richard L. Kent, Esq., world's angriest young earth creationist weirdo.

They're an angry lot aren't they?

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:19:58pm

re: #349 wordsworth

Are you being intentionally think? Between spinoff links and news stories in comments, I go from the Wall Street Journal to cnn to Michael Yon. I get MORE variety from the internet, and the Lizards get their news from around the world and share it with all of us. Or are you not familiar with the spinoff links and the incredible news gathering many Lizards do every day?

361 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:20:45pm

re: #275 wordsworth

To clarify, I think extreme views serve a purpose, and we shouldn't confuse those with that of neo nazis who obviously should be villainized.

I, too, agree that extreme views deserve a hearing. ONE hearing.

It was, up to 2002 or so, considered a fringe view that Woodrow Wilson was a racist, a totalitarian, and an inspiration to fascists. This is now accepted fact. Chalk one up to Goldberg.

But if what the fringe types say turns out to contradict the facts established anywhere else, if they're not willing to correct their assertions in light of new evidence, and if they then start with insults and conspiracy-theorising: then they've used up their hearing and they don't get another.

362 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:20:47pm

re: #326 OldLineTexan

... be careful out there.

/I miss Sgt. Esterhaus

"Let's do it to them, before they do it to us"

Sergeant Stan Jablonski


"Oh God!, It's Christmas Eve, and I'm going to get shot in a moose suit!"

Officer Andrew Jackson (Andy) Renko

363 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:21:29pm

re: #354 TheHistorian

Most of them do not mind evolution being taught, but want "equal time" for other concepts which may include "creationism".

When last seen at LGF, you were promoting this wacked out creationist website:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Featuring this wonderful account of dinosaurs on Noah's Ark:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Yeah, let's teach kids that cavemen rode dinosaurs onto Noah's Ark!

364 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:21:38pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Are you being intentionally think?

Er- that should have been "thick". But perhaps it's my bad for being snarky. My apologies.

Regardless- I stand by my opinion that via LGF, I get a better news experience than fox news could ever hope to provide.

365 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:22:16pm

re: #358 rightymouse

I find that a lot with talk radio too. Except Rush, perhaps.

Our local talk radio out of Pittsburgh is sometimes days behind. On the other hand, they've broadcasted audio of amazing stuff I haven't heard before. So it works out just fine. TV? Bahhhhh.....

Yes, the irony is that television -- arguably the most 'instant' of the media -- is typically last to any major development. Most big stories are broken -- again, ironically -- by newspapers, arguably the 'slowest' of the news media.

Of course, once TV gets its lens in focus, nothing beats watching live while a murderous thug rolls down the 405 in his white Bronco.

366 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:22:18pm

re: #336 Cognito

That should show 'em.

There is something faintly unsettling abut seeing one's government approach world affairs with all the know-how and aplomb of a Miss America contestant. Odd of me, I know.

367 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:22:19pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

I'm strictly an internet news girl. If it's not online- it's not news.

I'm with you.
Other requirement is a minimum of 3 articles from different sources that tell the same story.

Even that is not failsafe, referring to the saga of the octuplets.

368 TheHistorian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:22:22pm

Johnson is no moderate on evolution. He is not just pro-evolution, but he is anti-creation. I don't mind his opinions, and not even freely expressed (it is HIS page) but don't like closed minds who disparage others on any issue. And I view that he does this.
The problem we have from the left is that the illiterati shout down any idea they don't like, rather than trying to discuss the issues. Whenever I hear someone who won't discuss an issue, I tend to believe that they know little about it.

369 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:22:52pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Jerk.

370 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:23:16pm

What a day. Reformatted my main computer, reinstalled every piece of software including the OS. It was a mess. But, it does run faster now.

371 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:23:27pm

I should add that the creationists used up their hearing, thoroughly, as of 1960. DNA, plate tectonics, radiocarbon o my!

372 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:23:30pm

re: #366 The Shadow Do

There is something faintly unsettling abut seeing one's government approach world affairs with all the know-how and aplomb of a Miss America contestant. Odd of me, I know.

They're doing a great job in "the Iraq and the, ah, the Iraq."

373 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:23:51pm

re: #369 Sharmuta

Jerk.

Dang, now I'm hungry. WhiteRasta, when's dinner mon?

/

374 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:23:52pm

re: #350 WhiteRasta

Oracabessa , just fabulous! Ian Fleming and Noel Coward both had houses there.

yes I've stayed there for days...no tourists...Firefly is just awsome imo...we met Errol Flynns wife, Patrice, who ran a little gallery at Frenchmans Cove and would visit her every year....I have many fond Jamaica memories

375 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:24:19pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Got booted in mid reply,sorry. The show was from 87 to 90.

376 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:24:21pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Johnson is no moderate on evolution. He is not just pro-evolution, but he is anti-creation. I don't mind his opinions, and not even freely expressed (it is HIS page) but don't like closed minds who disparage others on any issue. And I view that he does this.
The problem we have from the left is that the illiterati shout down any idea they don't like, rather than trying to discuss the issues. Whenever I hear someone who won't discuss an issue, I tend to believe that they know little about it.

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.

377 cronus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:24:25pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Yeah, I have noticed that Charles can be a real stick in the mud about arguments needing to be grounded in facts and objective reality.

378 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:25:06pm

re: #375 irongrampa

Got booted in mid reply,sorry. The show was from 87 to 90.

Ah, I watched but little TV back then. I am much more of a couch tater now.

379 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:25:07pm

re: #366 The Shadow Do

There is something faintly unsettling abut seeing one's government approach world affairs with all the know-how and aplomb of a Miss America contestant. Odd of me, I know.

I guess the American people got bored. There wasn't anything good on TV so they decided to elect an inexperienced nothing to run their country.....just for the entertainment value......
Hope they like the show.
/ *Spit*

380 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:25:56pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

What testable, falsifiable hypotheses does ID put forth? What testable, falsifiable theories have been presented by the DI? On what grounds can the DI claim that ID is a scientific theory?

We'll wait.

381 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:26:06pm

re: #376 Charles

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.

Have you ever tasted a T-Rex burger? Yummy!
*wink*
btw..Do you like the science links I provide?

382 Perry  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:26:19pm

re: #379 LGoPs
short little span of attention, and oooh the nights are so long.

383 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:26:20pm

Recent foreign policy maneuvers, explained.

384 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:27:10pm

re: #382 Perry

short little span of attention, and oooh the nights are so long.

I need a photo opportunity

385 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:27:17pm

re: #354 TheHistorian

I disagree that conservatism is dead. Go see the link [Link: mediamatters.org...] and watch them try to spin the exit polling in 2008. Americans are center-right. You talk to them, and they stand on the right of free speech, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, and the panoply of issues that exist out there. Most of them do not mind evolution being taught, but want "equal time" for other concepts which may include "creationism".


Sure. And you see how well those to the right of all these issues REALLY helped in this past election and 2004. Not.

I'm not suggesting mealy-mouthing our principles like McCain, but you far right guys are going to kill our party.

And the world is NOT young. It's old. Billions of years. Evolution is not a concept. It's a scientific fact. Creationism IS a concept based on the literal reading of Genesis which has no place in the science classroom.

386 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #380 Sharmuta

What testable, falsifiable hypotheses does ID put forth? What testable, falsifiable theories have been presented by the DI? On what grounds can the DI claim that ID is a scientific theory?

We'll wait.

Yeah, we should be fair and give him some time to look through his Discovery Institute Coloring Book for the answers.

387 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:28:06pm

re: #373 OldLineTexan

Dang, now I'm hungry. WhiteRasta, when's dinner mon?

/

jerk...Boston Bay, Portland Jamaica....the real thing

388 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:28:11pm

re: #345 HelloDare

There's not enough controversy around here.

Hitchens vs. Ken Blackwell: Is America a Christian nation?

I'd like to see Hitchens versus Mr. Blackwell; Is America a Stylish Nation?

389 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:28:22pm

re: #383 Cognito

Recent foreign policy maneuvers, explained.

DAMMIT folks. I had to upding for that memory hole find!

390 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #385 rightymouse

Hey now, don't diss us pro-gun rights types. WE vote. Ask Congress.

391 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:05pm

re: #386 Gus 802

Perhaps we should prepare some cheese for any whine that might be served. They hate that nitty gritty set of questions. Because they have no answer for it, and that's the plain fact of it all.

392 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:10pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

I, for one, am all for discussing the issues.
Issue No. 1 - are you an idiot?

This is completely open to discussion by one and all.

393 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:12pm

re: #386 Gus 802

Yeah, we should be fair and give him some time to look through his Discovery Institute Coloring Book for the answers.

Biden owns the copyright on that don't he?


/S

394 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:21pm

re: #388 calcajun

I'd like to see Hitchens versus Mr. Blackwell; Is America a Stylish Nation?

Too late. Blackwell died last year.

395 Smorgasbord  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:29:48pm

President Bush did not bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. A video shows the king was putting some kind of award or something around Bush's neck. President Bush leaned over so the king could put it around his neck. CNN has the video at ([Link: isfms.cnn.com...] Watch it for your self and decide.

Some web sights that say he bowed are taking a still picture from the video and making it look like he is bowing. A typical liberal tactic.

396 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:30:16pm

PIMF on #385.

I meant '2006', not '2004'.

397 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:30:20pm

There' always Ward Churchill vs. Bill Ayers - "Does America, like, suck or what".

That's the level of free-wheeling discussion we've come to expect from our institutions of higher learning.

398 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:30:31pm

re: #388 calcajun

I'd like to see Hitchens versus Mr. Blackwell; Is America a Stylish Nation?

Mr. Blackwell died October 19, 2008 (aged 86)

399 Perry  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:30:54pm

re: #384 OldLineTexan

A man walks down the street
Its a street in a strange world
Maybe its the third world
Maybe its his first time around
He doesnt speak the language
He holds no currency
He is a foreign man
He is surrounded by the sound
The sound
Cattle in the marketplace
Scatterlings and orphanages
He looks around, around
He sees angels in the architecture
Spinning in infinity
He says amen! and hallelujah!

400 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:30:59pm

re: #383 Cognito

Recent foreign policy maneuvers, explained.

LOL

401 Ledger1  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:09pm

re: #359 Gus 802

Speaking of lawyers, Iowahawk says no more lawyers in the Obama Administration or the car industry. In fact, Iowahawk AKA Dave Burge thinks he should run the car industry.

[Humor]

Iowahawk for Car Czar.

[Pictures of cars with scantly clad women in them]

Just look at what I bring to the table:

1. I am not a law professor.

2. Unlike nearly every other moron giving advice to Detroit, I actually know how to build a car.

As such, I realize the industry is not suffering from a lack of law professors -- it is suffering from a lack of imagination. They gave us cup holders and electric seat warmers when we wanted angel fur and bubble tops. They pushed micro-clown cars and hybrids when the market was rife for chromed 8-deuce Chrysler Hemis. Well, Bucko, all that outmoded thinking is going to end during the reign of Czar Dave. Saving the American auto industry is going to be a big job, but I won't be doing it alone. I have already appointed my own shadow Council of Automotive Advisors, a select group of successful auto manufacturers whose qualifications appear after the jump. Many are close personal friends of mine, and I can attest to their patriotism, integrity, ingenuity, and wonderful lack of law degrees.

See: Iowahawk's council of automotive advisers

402 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:16pm

re: #349 wordsworth

I agree with your overall point--relying only on one outlet for information will lead to having only one outlet for all information.

Not so clear on your last statement. Of course the site is curated--it's Charles' and he gets to decide what goes on here--the same way Bill Buckley decided what went on over at NR.

403 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:16pm

re: #391 Sharmuta

Perhaps we should prepare some cheese for any whine that might be served. They hate that nitty gritty set of questions. Because they have no answer for it, and that's the plain fact of it all.

Yeah, they usually go running away to some anti-science website all disgruntled.

404 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:19pm

re: #398 HelloDare

Mr. Blackwell died October 19, 2008 (aged 86)

And he looked marvelous.

405 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:42pm

re: #392 The Shadow Do

I, for one, am all for discussing the issues.
Issue No. 1 - are you an idiot?

This is completely open to discussion by one and all.

And can be empirically demonstrated!

406 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:31:56pm

re: #400 The Shadow Do

LOL

Painful, isn't it?

407 jaunte  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #395 Smorgasbord

A typical liberal tactic.


An advanced course in Alinskyite distraction and camouflage.

408 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:32:17pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Yeah, they usually go running away to some anti-science website all disgruntled.

Don't forget the name calling too. It's really mean to ask the questions that get to the heart of the matter. We're such brutes.

409 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:32:19pm

re: #376 Charles

/What if you put dinosaur eggs on the ark? And then you incubated them, and when they hatched you fed them and when they got really big you ran away?

410 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:33:21pm

re: #7 albusteve

This kind of crap ain't helping "the cause" in my neck of the woods either:

"Felony DWI count for....

Of course if he was a Lib. "our prayers... & 'treatment' would be the buzz words.Wait, What the hell am I saying ?
"He is in our hearts and hopefully he will get the treatment he needs" immediately followed by "
"Don't forget G.W.B.s 'incident' up in Maine - if it wasn't for his daddy...."
A true politician - he actually has a smile on his face in the arrest photo - as opposed to say...Nick Nolte (or you and I).

411 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:33:42pm

re: #383 Cognito

Recent foreign policy maneuvers, explained.

She'll never live that one down.

412 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:33:59pm

re: #402 calcajun

Are we familiar with the Spin-offs or Open Threads?

413 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:34:23pm

re: #390 OldLineTexan

Hey now, don't diss us pro-gun rights types. WE vote. Ask Congress.


Not folks like you. It's the far right who have some weird 'religious' agenda that is playing defense to the left in such a way that they sound just as loony.

414 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #409 BatGuano

/What if you put dinosaur eggs on the ark? And then you incubated them, and when they hatched you fed them and when they got really big you ran away?

Nice! great post

415 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:18pm

re: #413 rightymouse

I saw "gun control" in the list. Sorry if I am confused.

416 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:22pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

Don't forget the name calling too. It's really mean to ask the questions that get to the heart of the matter. We're such brutes.

Yes, because we're evil Darwinists! They're victims of a scientific witch-hunt by the great Satanic Liberal-Atheist-Darwinist-Little Green Footballs Cabal!

/////

417 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:29pm

re: #395 Smorgasbord

President Bush did not bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. A video shows the king was putting some kind of award or something around Bush's neck. President Bush leaned over so the king could put it around his neck. CNN has the video at ([Link: isfms.cnn.com...] Watch it for your self and decide.

Some web sights that say he bowed are taking a still picture from the video and making it look like he is bowing. A typical liberal tactic.

So Obama should have received a medal, gave him a kiss and held hands for a bit ? After all the years of Saudi ass kissing by our leaders, they should get the drill down by now. Kiss, no kiss, bow or not, shake hands or hold them ?

418 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:31pm

re: #409 BatGuano

There really needs to be some way, some manner, to double ding a comment. LOL

419 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:35:45pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Yeah, they usually go running away to some anti-science website all disgruntled.

Speaking of that I like to tell people "I'm very gruntled, thank you" when they say "How are you".
Half the time I get darting eyes, looking for cover until I explain to them that gruntled is a good thing.......
/

420 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:36:18pm

re: #376 Charles

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.

Well, when you get a pair of each of these of a 450 foot boat, it'd get crowded real fast.

/not to mention the gross tonnage

421 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:36:27pm

re: #364 Sharmuta

Daily,
I listen to:
Dennis Miller, Laura Ingraham, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Rusty Humphrey
read:
Fox News online, Honolulu Advertiser, LGF (and links), KOS(rarely)
watch on the idiot screen:
Orielly, Hannity(not so much these days, he's too "Sean-ish")NBC,local NBCaffiliate, CBS,local CBS affiliate,
I try to get as many angles as I can.

/when do I sleep?...?...

422 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:36:30pm

re: #410 leftover54

special treatment...ass licking...is this upstate NY?

423 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:36:36pm

re: #410 leftover54

This kind of crap ain't helping "the cause" in my neck of the woods either:

"Felony DWI count for....

Of course if he was a Lib. "our prayers... & 'treatment' would be the buzz words.Wait, What the hell am I saying ?
"He is in our hearts and hopefully he will get the treatment he needs" immediately followed by "
"Don't forget G.W.B.s 'incident' up in Maine - if it wasn't for his daddy...."
A true politician - he actually has a smile on his face in the arrest photo - as opposed to say...Nick Nolte (or you and I).

That's not really about the cause: It seems more about the fact that Sweeney is a drunk. He should get a moderate jail term and his license should be revoked.

424 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:37:05pm

re: #393 Dustyvet

Biden owns the copyright on Gaffes For Dummies, I think.

425 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:37:07pm

re: #409 BatGuano

/What if you put dinosaur eggs on the ark? And then you incubated them, and when they hatched you fed them and when they got really big you ran away?

I think Noah used mosquitos to save the dinosaurs. He had dino blood in mosquitos trapped in amber. He revived the dinos in a genetics lab later. I could, of course, prove this but the lab in Gomorrah was destroyed by God. //////

426 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:37:10pm

Global warming update:

John Holdren -- in his first interview since being confirmed last month-- [said] that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Mr. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.


wtf?

427 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:37:36pm

re: #419 LGoPs

Speaking of that I like to tell people "I'm very gruntled, thank you" when they say "How are you".
Half the time I get darting eyes, looking for cover until I explain to them that gruntled is a good thing.......
/

We can create an offshoot called Gruntled Lizards.

428 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:38:04pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:


wtf?

I have been mirror-coating the backs of birds to accomplish the same effect.

429 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:38:50pm

re: #415 OldLineTexan

I saw "gun control" in the list. Sorry if I am confused.

No problem.

430 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:38:57pm

Dennis miller!

431 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:38:57pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:


wtf?

I like warm.

Global warming is good.

432 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:11pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

I think Noah used mosquitos to save the dinosaurs. He had dino blood in mosquitos trapped in amber. He revived the dinos in a genetics lab later. I could, of course, prove this but the lab in Gomorrah was destroyed by God. //////

That must have been one big a** boat!

433 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:14pm

re: #427 Gus 802

We can create an offshoot called Gruntled Lizards.

The problem with that is that the disgruntled lizards are mostly ex-lizards.

434 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:15pm

re: #424 irongrampa

Biden owns the copyright on Gaffes For Dummies, I think.

I figured as much...:) Thanks...:)

435 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:31pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:


wtf?

My father-in-law has been illegally burning junk in his back yard for years.

Turns out he's an environmental hero.

436 wordsworth  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:40pm

re: #402 calcajun

Not so clear on your last statement. Of course the site is curated--it's Charles' and he gets to decide what goes on here--the same way Bill Buckley decided what went on over at NR.

Right, and I like his take on things more often then not, and get tipped off to a lot of stories this way. I'm glad LGF exists. That said, I don't always agree with his take on certain stories, and I think it's strange when anyone agrees with a blog 100%. I don't think LGF is attempting to be a comprehensive news source anyway.... in fact, most posts do link to the kind of news sources some people claim to be rejecting. Just something to keep in mind. Anyway, at the end of the day I think we're all on the same page, and strive for integrity.

438 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:47pm

re: #429 rightymouse

No problem.

I am "far right" on gun control.

439 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:39:54pm

re: #262 WhiteRasta

Or two... LOL !

440 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:04pm

re: #409 BatGuano

/What if you put dinosaur eggs on the ark? And then you incubated them, and when they hatched you fed them and when they got really big you ran away?

Is that you, Jack Handey?

441 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:05pm

re: #432 Gus 802

That must have been one big a** boat!

Right. What's a 'cubit'?

442 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #406 Cognito

Painful, isn't it?

Almost as painful as this administration, sad to say. At least she is funny!

443 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:22pm

re: #430 BatGuano

Dennis miller!

I'm one segment behind right now on Tivo. Please don't post spoilers.

444 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:36pm

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that is that the disgruntled lizards are mostly ex-lizards.

Seen them in "action" if you can call it that. Seems like a rather pathetic bunch.

445 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:41pm

re: #438 OldLineTexan

I am "far right" on gun control.


Ummm...you mean gun rights?

446 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:40:46pm

re: #435 Cognito

My father-in-law has been illegally burning junk in his back yard for years.

Turns out he's an environmental hero.

lol - thanks, I needed that.

447 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:08pm

re: #438 OldLineTexan

I am "far right" on gun control.

I prefer on target!

448 big steve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:22pm

Haven't seen The Historian since Charles asked him to produce a premise or two...

449 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #438 OldLineTexan

I am "far right" on gun control.

Gun control is holding it firmly in both hands, no?

450 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:39pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

Unqualified Jerk?

451 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:48pm

This is not good:

The Evolution Trap
by Ken Blackwell

Crucial presidential debates are coming soon. They can be a subtle problem, especially when it comes to evolution. Often reporters ask questions that are designed to do irreparable harm to conservative candidates. That was exactly the intent of the evolution question in the first GOP candidate forum on MSNBC on May 3.

On that occasion, Senator McCain was asked if he believed in evolution. He said he did, explaining that he sees God in the majesty of the Grand Canyon.

Senator McCain is not the first person inspired to thoughts of God by the sight of the Grand Canyon. However, that has nothing to do with biological evolution. That’s okay, because the question wasn’t about biological evolution.

But the trap was set. The other nine candidates were asked to raise their hand if they did not believe in evolution.

Three hands were raised. Seven candidates kept their hands down.

The problem is this: Evolution is not merely a yes or no question. Consider this scenario.

What if the request had been, “Raise your hand if you don’t believe in abortion.”?

Liberal candidates would have argued that the question was unfair and biased. Here’s an easy-to-imagine response from a liberal candidate:

“Well let me explain. Some people believe in abortion on demand, some believe that abortion should never be permitted. Most people don’t fall into either camp. What about someone who is generally pro-life, but believes abortion should be permitted in cases of rape or incest? What about people who believe abortions should be legal early in a pregnancy, yet oppose late-term and partial-birth abortion.

A yes or no question on abortion simplifies the issue. It doesn’t give us a chance to explain our position. When we raise or don’t raise our hand, viewers have no idea of the complexity of the issue. All this does is create confusion, resulting in the exact opposite of what public debates are supposed to achieve.”

Here is what I believe the best answer would have been to the evolution question: “I can’t answer until you expand upon your question. Are you asking about microevolution or macroevolution?”

This keeps conservatives out of the trap. This forces a discussion of the issue. The moderator can only proceed by saying, “Can you explain?”, in which case the candidate should continue:

“Well, if you mean microevolution, where an organism adapts to its environment with the flexibility inherent in its DNA, then yes I believe in that; we see it every day in nature. But if you mean macroevolution, where mutations stack on one another to create entirely new organ systems and transform one species into a totally different species, then I, along with many scientists, have serious issues with that theory.”

That answer advances public discourse and a candidate can deliver it in thirty seconds. When someone says they do not believe in “evolution,” the common rebuttal is to point to microevolution and charge the candidate with being an anti-science religious zealot. But when people say “evolution,” most are referring to macroevolution. By forcing the terms “microevolution” and “macroevolution” into the debate, a candidate deflects the attack and reframes the debate. Discussing the numerous scientists who have concerns with macroevolution only adds gravity and authority to the candidate’s position.

Polls show about half of Americans have problems with Darwinian macroevolution. Such a position may not be en vogue with the mainstream media, but it does bolster the weight of the pro-microevolution candidate’s argument.

452 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:49pm

re: #437 jcm

Like making rubble bounce at their home ports?

453 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:49pm

re: #441 rightymouse

Right. What's a 'cubit'?

Cubit

454 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:41:57pm

Part 2

The Evolution Trap
by Ken Blackwell

There are scientists who echo the concerns of a vast number of Americans. Models like the doctrine of irreducible complexity explain that certain organs, such as the eye, require dozens of different components, each made of billions of cells, all working together to function as a whole. It argues such organs cannot evolve over time, they only benefit the creature at one hundred percent capacity. A 99% evolved eye is useless. This model suggests organs must be entirely present and perfectly fit together or they do not work. Modern theories of macroevolution have no explanation for how such organs came about.

Regardless of what you believe, that’s a fair point for a rational person to make that does not rely on any religious belief. It’s a scientific concern, not a religious objection.

Yes or no questions on evolution only serve to make conservatives appeal to one part of the electorate by alienating others. It’s “gotcha” politics, pure and simple. They serve no purpose other than helping liberals get elected.

I’d like to give the questioners the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they didn’t realize how unfair the question was. It’s possible they don’t understand this issue themselves.

Some on the Left can still be so blinded by their political ideology and opposition to conservative Christian beliefs that they ask such unproductive questions in order to promote a clearly secular agenda.

Televised forums of presidential candidates should be about more. The country deserves better.

455 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:42:01pm

re: #428 OldLineTexan

I have been mirror-coating the backs of birds to accomplish the same effect.

that should keep you busy. I hope Obama is paying you well.

456 kingkenrod  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:42:56pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:


wtf?

If they can make you believe that fixing global warming requires extreme measures like this, then settling for something less severe, like cap-and-trade, will seem like a bargain.

457 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:42:59pm

Not pertinent to anything being discussed:

A few days ago, I tried to tell ya'll that Americans overseas can be recognized by the fact that we mostly have perfect teeth.

Lo, and behold:

Among the 6 reasons why Michelle Obama outshined Carla Bruni is this gem at #3:

Major bravos for her natural smile, big white American teeth and fit, strong body which isn’t starved.
458 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #441 rightymouse

Right. What's a 'cubit'?

Your elbow to the tip of your middle finger.

There's another one, to the base of the hand.

459 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #453 Gus 802

Cubit


I think I'll stick with doing Sudoku. lol!

Couchular time.

Later!

460 alegrias  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:23pm

re: #345 HelloDare

There's not enough controversy around here.

Hitchens vs. Ken Blackwell: Is America a Christian nation?

* * * *
Do tell! Ken Blackwell is one serious black conservative/Republican. He was a heroic straighttalking gutsy Ohio official during the 2004 election, when democrats in his state tried to throw the vote for Kerry.

461 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:41pm

re: #459 rightymouse

I think I'll stick with doing Sudoku. lol!

Couchular time.

Later!

Later

462 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:42pm

re: #456 kingkenrod

If they can make you believe that fixing global warming requires extreme measures like this, then settling for something less severe, like cap-and-trade, will seem like a bargain.

cap and trade went down in the Senate last week

463 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:43:59pm

re: #445 rightymouse

Ummm...you mean gun rights?

Gun control means hitting your target. And I rechecked the posts. I was not confused. Your reply covered quite the list, not just creationism/ID.

464 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:44:14pm

re: #458 OldLineTexan

Your elbow to the tip of your middle finger.

There's another one, to the base of the hand.

what about the little arrows?

465 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:44:14pm

re: #437 jcm

UPDATE 12-Crew regain control of hijacked ship off Somalia
Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:31pm EDT* Crew regain control of hijacked freighter

* Pirates still holding captain in lifeboat, crewman says

* US navy destroyer Bainbridge reported arriving on scene

* Clinton says world must end piracy 'scourge' (Adds report of U.S. Navy on the scene, paragraphs 3-4)

World=UN, means NOTHING!

To end it will take ordnance coming off of US assets.

I'd like to try having the US support either Russia or China landing a brigade at the pirate towns. I'd get them to supply the boots on the ground because they could do smash the towns and thereby eliminate the pirates support systems.

466 jaunte  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #448 big steve

Haven't seen The Historian since Charles asked him to produce a premise or two...

It's easier to complain about not being allowed to talk, than it is to face an open mike.

467 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:44:44pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:

Here's my plan:
Nuclear powered desalinization plants on the north-west coast of Africa with mega-pumps to irrigate the Sahara. Do the same to Saudi Arabia, and any other large desserts.
This will promote global cooling, CO2 transfer and lower the sea levels all at the same time.
Yes, quite brilliant, if I might say so.
but it will cost $TRILLIONs$..............

468 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #457 reine.de.tout

Not pertinent to anything being discussed:

A few days ago, I tried to tell ya'll that Americans overseas can be recognized by the fact that we mostly have perfect teeth.

Lo, and behold:

Among the 6 reasons why Michelle Obama outshined Carla Bruni is this gem at #3:

Major bravos for her natural smile, big white American teeth and fit, strong body which isn’t starved.

Does that mean her butt looked big......?
/

469 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:08pm

re: #455 FrogMarch

that should keep you busy. I hope Obama is paying you well.

Algore is mad, because I have to add little jet engines to them to compensate for the extra weight.

470 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:11pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

I don't mind his opinions, and not even freely expressed (it is HIS page) but don't like closed minds who disparage others on any issue. And I view that he does this.
The problem we have from the left is that the illiterati shout down any idea they don't like, rather than trying to discuss the issues. Whenever I hear someone who won't discuss an issue, I tend to believe that they know little about it.

The point, sir, is that many of us have already been part of the ad nauseum discussions on the "issues" and have, as Byron would say, "been knocked on the head for our labors". When the same canards and prevarications are trotted out by a different set of charlatans, of course our temper is going to be a bit short. Whether it's the Creationist issue or that FDR committed treason in letting Pearl Harbor be attacked, we have heard the "arguments" and "evidence" and have been able to discount it--again and again.

It is not a question of whether we don't "like" an idea. We're trying to shout down those in our ideological tent who would make us all look like fools. We're trying to teach people--not brainwash them. Only, when we try, we are branded with such unflattering epithets as "nazi", "racist", "fascist" or worse by the very people who are peddling the intellectual snake oil in the first place.

No one here would dare to tell you what to think. We would dare to tell you where you are wrong and hopefully steer you to the information where you might learn more.

471 big steve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:13pm

re: #457 reine.de.tout

Not pertinent to anything being discussed:

A few days ago, I tried to tell ya'll that Americans overseas can be recognized by the fact that we mostly have perfect teeth.

Lo, and behold:

Among the 6 reasons why Michelle Obama outshined Carla Bruni is this gem at #3:

Oh gosh that reminds me of a story.....in my youth at my first job I worked for a chemist who was a WWII vet. He was in the Pacific. He once told me that many GI's stationed in Australia married Aussy gals however there was a very small window of time between when they were legal and their teeth began to rot.

472 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:21pm

Avanti, do you get paid to come here? I can't explain your 'contributions' here otherwise. Short of some sort of disorder that is. Do you fantasize about being bound with a ball in your mouth? I know it's not polite to ask, but I do wonder.

473 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:33pm

I'm enjoying the fight over at Amit's. What a crew of deadbeats. Check this one out: "He simply hates Muslims and so he supported Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

For him, Afghanistan was "Bush's war"!

474 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:33pm

re: #455 FrogMarch

that should keep you busy. I hope Obama is paying you well.

You don't know workplace hazard until you've tried to sneak up on a great bald eagle with a pot of glue and an armful of silver sequins.

475 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:49pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

I'm one segment behind right now on Tivo. Please don't post spoilers.

You know, I was about to. My lips are sealed.

476 Aviator  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:45:56pm

re: #462 albusteve

cap and trade went down in the Senate last week

That was planned, it will be back.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

477 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:18pm

re: #412 unrealizedviewpoint

Are we familiar with the Spin-offs or Open Threads?

Sorry--working with one on this site. What did I miss?

478 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:23pm

re: #452 irongrampa

Like making rubble bounce at their home ports?

That and.....
Sinking everything in that port(s), except hostage ships.
Killing the pirates.

This is a U.S. Flagged Vessel.

Casus Belli.

If the price of this violation is not made clear, no US flagged merchant ship will be safe, off Somali or around Indonesia another pirate hot spot.

479 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:23pm

re: #451 HelloDare

Yeah, that's really bad. I recommended it to Charles, because it really does its own thread. Bad, bad, sick.

480 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:26pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Johnson is no moderate on evolution. He is not just pro-evolution, but he is anti-creation. I don't mind his opinions, and not even freely expressed (it is HIS page) but don't like closed minds who disparage others on any issue. And I view that he does this.
The problem we have from the left is that the illiterati shout down any idea they don't like, rather than trying to discuss the issues. Whenever I hear someone who won't discuss an issue, I tend to believe that they know little about it.

there is no issue to discuss w/ creationists. there is no debate to entertain.
i.d cannot tell us how life evolved over time. it brings no facts, information or evidence to the study.
its purpose is to debunk evolution and offer creationist 'belief' as the answer.
science has come so far in explaining, w/ legitimate investigation, how species have evolved thru the ages.
to even consider allowing religious belief to be on an equal footing, as an answer, is absurd.
it does not mean that god did not have a hand in it but please, let us study the actual evidence that has already been found and is everywhere waiting to be discovered.


to

481 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:37pm

re: #454 HelloDare

So according to Ken Blackwell the science debate is a left vs. right debate?

482 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:39pm

re: #441 rightymouse

Right. What's a 'cubit'?

a somewhat smaller distance than a parsec.

483 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:39pm

re: #468 LGoPs

Major bravos for her natural smile, big white American teeth and fit, strong body which isn’t starved.

Does that mean her butt looked big......?
/

Now, now, we won't talk about that . . .

484 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:46:44pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to try having the US support either Russia or China landing a brigade at the pirate towns. I'd get them to supply the boots on the ground because they could do smash the towns and thereby eliminate the pirates support systems.

who needs them?...just do it...no offense but it's high time America started acting unilaterally with these sea punks....the world would thank us for it...cheap PR

485 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:47:13pm

re: #376 Charles

Sre: #376 Charles

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.

Ahhhh, so thats what happened to Marc Bolen...
git it on...

(I ain't touching this one with a 11 foot pole ("see, it goes up to 11...")

486 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:47:29pm

re: #469 OldLineTexan

Algore is mad, because I have to add little jet engines to them to compensate for the extra weight.

mirror coated birds with mini-jet engines. I like it.

487 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:47:30pm

re: #478 jcm

Not with THIS administration.

488 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:47:50pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to try having the US support either Russia or China landing a brigade at the pirate towns. I'd get them to supply the boots on the ground because they could do smash the towns and thereby eliminate the pirates support systems.

The equipment for a couple of MEU's is kept on a few T-AKR's at Diego Garcia IIRC.
Not far.

489 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:03pm

re: #476 Aviator

That was planned, it will be back.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

party pooper

490 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:11pm

re: #474 Cognito

You don't know workplace hazard until you've tried to sneak up on a great bald eagle with a pot of glue and an armful of silver sequins.

I see you've read my book. The bald eagle is a particularly fussy bird when it comes to spangles, oddly enough.

491 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:12pm

re: #487 irongrampa

Not with THIS administration.

*spit*

492 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:29pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

That would make a great novel!

493 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:48:50pm

re: #482 unrealizedviewpoint

Did you ever hear Bill Cosby on Noah?

494 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:09pm

re: #467 IslandLibertarian


Global warming update:

...
but it will cost $TRILLIONs$..............

what's a little more national debt? just put it on the tab.

495 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:18pm

re: #472 The Shadow Do

Avanti, do you get paid to come here? I can't explain your 'contributions' here otherwise. Short of some sort of disorder that is. Do you fantasize about being bound with a ball in your mouth? I know it's not polite to ask, but I do wonder.

I asked him that when he first showed up here. He said no. I have my doubts.

496 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:29pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

Global warming update:


wtf?


Hahahahahhahahahhah
Can we send some moonbats up there? That would cause some pollution.

497 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #482 unrealizedviewpoint

a somewhat smaller distance than a parsec.

How many cubits per fortnight to do a parsec in a year?

Actual question on a test I had re: unit math.

498 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:49:50pm

re: #481 Gus 802

So according to Ken Blackwell the science debate is a left vs. right debate?

And a micro-evolution vs a macro-evolution debate. Good f-ing grief.

499 jaunte  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:50:18pm

re: #493 irongrampa

Did you ever hear Bill Cosby on Noah?

Here's the routine:

500 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:50:26pm

re: #495 Racer X

Haven't we discussed him enough today?

501 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:50:56pm

re: #98 pcalver

I have but one down ding to give...

502 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:50:58pm

re: #495 Racer X

I asked him that when he first showed up here. He said no. I have my doubts.

totally worthless....closet commie who can't keep his hands out of BOs pants

503 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:51:02pm

re: #451 HelloDare

This is not good:

The Evolution Trap
by Ken Blackwell

Ken Blackwell is a complete idiot -- everything that's wrong with the GOP in microcosm. Notice that his article is actually advocating that presidential candidates obfuscate and deliberately use tactics intended to mislead people about their true beliefs on evolution.

Once again -- they're lying for Jesus.

504 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:51:15pm

re: #498 HelloDare

And a micro-evolution vs a macro-evolution debate. Good f-ing grief.

I didn't get a chance to read it more deeply. I assume he's promoting "going stealth" on the issue of evolution.

505 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:51:31pm

re: #493 irongrampa

Did you ever hear Bill Cosby on Noah?

No.

506 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:52:06pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

How did you like the Canadians dispatching a Sea King to a hijacking and then hanging out a sign that said, STOP in Somali?

I'd have used them as target practice.

507 alegrias  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:52:10pm

re: #478 jcm

That and.....
Sinking everything in that port(s), except hostage ships.
Killing the pirates.

This is a U.S. Flagged Vessel.

Casus Belli.

If the price of this violation is not made clear, no US flagged merchant ship will be safe, off Somali or around Indonesia another pirate hot spot.

* * * *
Silly wabbit. Democrats don't RECOGNIZE nor ACCEPT "casus belli".

Didn't 8 years of Al Qaeda attacks on the World Trade Center (1993) until the last attack on the USS Cole (2000) without retaliation by President Clinton and his gasbag veep Gore PROVE IT TO YOU?

508 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #503 Charles

Ken Blackwell is a complete idiot -- everything that's wrong with the GOP in microcosm. Notice that his article is actually advocating that presidential candidates obfuscate and deliberately use tactics intended to mislead people about their true beliefs on evolution.

Once again -- they're lying for Jesus.

Stealth candidates.

509 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #436 wordsworth

Anyway, at the end of the day I think we're all on the same page, and strive for integrity.

And for a good single-malt! Blends are the devil's tool!

510 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #506 WhiteRasta

How did you like the Canadians dispatching a Sea King to a hijacking and then hanging out a sign that said, STOP in Somali?

I'd have used them as target practice.

It didn't say PLEASE?

Bush's cowboy rudeness seems to have rubbed off on our formerly polite Canadian friends.

////

511 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:53:19pm

re: #499 jaunte

Here's the routine:


One of my favorite Cosbys ever.

512 cronus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:54:01pm

re: #451 HelloDare

And this guy was a very serious contender to be GOP National Chairman.
/Fortunately enough folks were cognoscente of how advantageous Blackwell's positions had been for his 2006 Ohio Governor's race where he managed to capture a whopping 36% of the vote.

513 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:54:11pm

re: #488 jcm

The equipment for a couple of MEU's is kept on a few T-AKR's at Diego Garcia IIRC.
Not far.

The problem is that Russia could actually do things that need doing, like dispossessing the pirates. I can't see Obama doing that. The pirate liars are not worth taming and simply annihilating them is not acceptable. We need a ground force that will actually be allowed to get the job done.

514 alegrias  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:54:17pm

re: #498 HelloDare

And a micro-evolution vs a macro-evolution debate. Good f-ing grief.

* * * * *
Can't politicians stick to preserving, protecting and defending the US? The issues they swear to work on?

515 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:54:34pm

re: #507 alegrias

* * * *
Silly wabbit. Democrats don't RECOGNIZE nor ACCEPT "casus belli".

Didn't 8 years of Al Qaeda attacks on the World Trade Center (1993) until the last attack on the USS Cole (2000) without retaliation by President Clinton and his gasbag veep Gore PROVE IT TO YOU?

heh...yep, look for more of the same only with more vigor next time...sooner or later someone is gonna get killed

516 big steve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:55:10pm

Regarding Noah....lets avoid whether the story is true or not and concentrate on what that story in the Bible really says. Later in the Book of Roman's Paul tackles the same issue.....can you hold someone to go to hell if they have never had a chance to hear the Word? The whole point of the story of Noah is that, if true, there is NO ONE on the planet who is not descended from people who knew about God. It is basically one long and charming...."ignorance of the law is no excuse" argument.

On can absolutely hold the belief that the literal facts of the story are not true and still believe that God has blown the wind of his existence into all of us.

517 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:55:26pm
518 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:55:41pm

re: #505 unrealizedviewpoint

Play the video at Jaunte's #499

519 alegrias  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:08pm

re: #503 Charles

Ken Blackwell is a complete idiot -- everything that's wrong with the GOP in microcosm. Notice that his article is actually advocating that presidential candidates obfuscate and deliberately use tactics intended to mislead people about their true beliefs on evolution.

Once again -- they're lying for Jesus.

* * * *
I agree with you politicians should stick to the issues they are elected to do, preserving protecting & defending the Constitution, and other important things.

Matters of faith, they shut shut their pie holes.

520 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:31pm

re: #510 OldLineTexan

Yeah, I bet we had to go to the UN to get permission to say even that.....

521 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:35pm

re: #517 Racer X

Unusual Dusty Galaxy NGC 7049

You've tried scrubbing it out, but still ...ring around the cosmos

522 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:36pm

re: #511 VioletTiger

Somewhere we have all of his routines, one day I'll have to drag them out again.

523 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:46pm

re: #457 reine.de.tout

Not pertinent to anything being discussed:

A few days ago, I tried to tell ya'll that Americans overseas can be recognized by the fact that we mostly have perfect teeth.

Lo, and behold:

Among the 6 reasons why Michelle Obama outshined Carla Bruni is this gem at #3:

what a crazy story. i bet you could ask a 1000 guys who they would rather go on a date w/ and all would pick carla.
this kind of propaganda is really bogus. michelle didn't outshine anyone.
it is laughable. btw those teeth. when she smiles, it's like a lamprey
coming at you.

524 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:56pm

re: #506 WhiteRasta

How did you like the Canadians dispatching a Sea King to a hijacking and then hanging out a sign that said, STOP in Somali?

I'd have used them as target practice.

The problem with that is that the global media would then decry the sinking as proof of "western racism". Our biggest problem, militarily, is PR.

525 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:56:57pm

re: #517 Racer X

Unusual Dusty Galaxy NGC 7049

* The image you are looking at is 100 million years ago.

526 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #520 WhiteRasta

Yeah, I bet we had to go to the UN to get permission to say even that.....

I love Canadians, and I admire their military. But some of the government ... OMG.

527 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:57:39pm

re: #472 The Shadow Do

Avanti, do you get paid to come here? I can't explain your 'contributions' here otherwise. Short of some sort of disorder that is. Do you fantasize about being bound with a ball in your mouth? I know it's not polite to ask, but I do wonder.

Well, you could have asked with out the SM comment. I have to explain every now and then, so here goes again. I got sucked into the lets all work together for a better country, hope and change thing. I came in here with a sort of hand extended, and you can see how well that's working out.
I'll be happy if we can just reach a point where we can discuss issues politely without the personal insults, but I don't expect a meeting of the minds, At least if we can learn how the other side thinks, it makes compromise easier.
LGF is about the only blog that allows most any reasonably polite opinions. BTW, I don't get paid, nor am I associated with any party officially.

528 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:57:48pm

re: #431 Racer X

I like warm.

Global warming is good.

Historically, some global warming has been good.

529 Perry  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:58:00pm

re: #517 Racer XReally beautiful. I look at that place every few days.

530 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:58:18pm

re: #503 Charles

Once again -- they're lying for their version of Jesus.

My version kept out of politics..........

531 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:58:53pm

re: #514 alegrias

* * * * *
Can't politicians stick to preserving, protecting and defending the US? The issues they swear to work on?


I know three people who voted Democrat specifically because they thought Republicans were trying to cram religion down their throats.

532 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:02pm

re: #525 Racer X

* The image you are looking at is 100 million years ago.

u kan see teh dinesore kittehs smiling in teh rite korner

533 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:37pm

re: #526 OldLineTexan

Harper is a vast improvement on the semi-literate bumpkin from Quebec.

(Chretian)

534 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:40pm

re: #521 OldLineTexan

You've tried scrubbing it out, but still ...ring around the cosmos

535 Eagle  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:43pm

re: #213 Gus 802

pcalver doth protest too much, methinks.

536 big steve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:45pm

I'm off to watch LOST....ta ta

537 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:46pm

re: #503 Charles

Ken Blackwell is a complete idiot -- everything that's wrong with the GOP in microcosm. Notice that his article is actually advocating that presidential candidates obfuscate and deliberately use tactics intended to mislead people about their true beliefs on evolution.

Once again -- they're lying for Jesus.

John 14:6a
Jesus says to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life.

John 14:7
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you.

To those who think this tactic of lying for Jesus is in some way appropriate. If you do not see or know the truth, you do not know the Spirit, and without the Truth you are lost, yet you have the temerity to tell other they are lost.

538 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 5:59:55pm

re: #531 HelloDare

I know three people who voted Democrat specifically because they thought Republicans were trying to cram religion down their throats.

Stupid is pretty common. LMK how they like Obamanism.

539 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #507 alegrias

* * * *
Silly wabbit. Democrats don't RECOGNIZE nor ACCEPT "casus belli".

Didn't 8 years of Al Qaeda attacks on the World Trade Center (1993) until the last attack on the USS Cole (2000) without retaliation by President Clinton and his gasbag veep Gore PROVE IT TO YOU?

I'm jus' a warmonger!
I need some re-education!

540 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:00:33pm

re: #528 FrogMarch

Historically, some global warming has been good.

/can't wait until the average temperature in Saudi Arabia is 1500F

541 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:00:53pm

re: #536 big steve

I'm off to watch LOST....ta ta

LOST needs more ta ta

542 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:01pm

re: #522 irongrampa

Somewhere we have all of his routines, one day I'll have to drag them out again.

My parents had all of their albums. Of the thousands in the collection, this was one group that I saved. He was hysterical.
Did you ever hear the chocolate cake routine?

543 WhiteRasta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:04pm

re: #528 FrogMarch

The Great Lakes and the Great Plains are but 2 examples of Global Warming having a positive effect on humankind.

544 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:05pm

re: #537 jcm

John 14:6a
Jesus says to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life.

John 14:7
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you.

To those who think this tactic of lying for Jesus is in some way appropriate. If you do not see or know the truth, you do not know the Spirit, and without the Truth you are lost, yet you have the temerity to tell other they are lost.

Now you are ruining all their fun. I thought the rules were for my neighbor and had nothing to do with myself. Right?
/

545 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:17pm

re: #535 Eagle

pcalver doth protest too much, methinks.

Yeah. I didn't understand him much. Follows the typical troll pattern though. Say something bad about LGF then go off on an offensive tangent the shift gears to defensive mode soon after. Typical passive-aggressive behavior.

546 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:26pm

re: #98 pcalver

Charles,
I think you are adrift. It is kind of pitiful to post a laudatory blurb about yourself on your own blog. I think you need to find some larger political principles to rally behind in this period of the Obama Euro-socialist regime. You seem to be searching around for direction...

Well, as long as we're brainstorming on how Charles could take LGF in a new direction, *I* personally think that he should refocus on softcore male homoerotica, like for example the Bluetooth commercial where the two rugby players start making out in a crowded bar:

Not saying it has to be ALL man-on-man tonsil hockey ALL THE TIME -- but maybe like every other day or something.

Also: SHOWTUNES!

(Julie Andrews singing in Yiddish -- yes, for realz!)

547 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #425 Sharmuta

I think Noah used mosquitos to save the dinosaurs. He had dino blood in mosquitos trapped in amber. He revived the dinos in a genetics lab later. I could, of course, prove this but the lab in Gomorrah was destroyed by God. //////

Sharm..Hope you are well...I usually don't post more than a few line..And this isn't an ID thread....But in the back of my mind ( It's usually dusty back there)
I've always had an issue with the Noah story...I was adopted into a very very religious family.. as a child..If I squirmed in church I knelt on the kitchen floor motionless as my dad kept an eye on me...you move..you'll go for another hour..You need to learn boy...
MY frikking Aunt was a nun..Loved that woman...But I'm talking serious religious upbringing...
First positive point..You would flunk 6th science class in our school if you even tried to pull creationist Bullshit.. The nuns were hard core science and to pretend it was all some magic or by faith.. they would flunk you..period.
I believe in God...
But..Here is what I don't believe.../ducking sorry../
1.The whole earth was covered by water and just disappeared in some days later..You would be breathing it..walking on it..or something...It doesn't disappear. That water is somewhere and we need to find it..
2. after the flood..there were rainbows. I'm pretty sure God created the Natural laws that we all live by..I'm sure there were Rainbows Billions of years ago..And probably on a lot cooler planets than this one..But i don't think light refraction of 23.5 degrees in water particles was invented a few thousand years ago..call me crazy.

548 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:03:17pm

re: #528 FrogMarch

Historically, some global warming has been good.

Yes, I miss the delightful Scottish Merlots as well as the Norwegian Clarets.

549 albusteve  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:03:55pm

re: #527 avanti

you are a Hall of Fame idiot..."sucked in" is an understatement..personally I can't believe how stupid you are not to see that you have earned every bit of scorn heaped onto you...your victim act is pointless, just like your empty character...you did it to yourself

550 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:04:19pm

re: #428 OldLineTexan

I have been mirror-coating the backs of birds to accomplish the same effect.

You are just cracking me up tonight.

551 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:04:51pm
as well as to denounce the irrational “fringe” views that so many in the party hold (like being against vaccines, engaging in conspiracy theories, etc.).

I think he's exaggerating a little bit there. I don't believe that anti-vaxers or conspiracy theorists are that widespread in the conservative community.

552 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:04:55pm

re: #547 HoosierHoops

"Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm"

Once there was this kid who
Got into an accident and couldn't come to school
But when he finally came back
His hair had turned from black into bright white
He said that it was from when
The car had smashed so hard

Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm

Once there was this girl who
Wouldn't go and change with the girls in the change room
But when they finally made her
They saw birthmarks all over her body
She couldn't quite explain it
They'd always just been there

Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm

But both girl and boy were glad
'Cause one kid had it worse than that

'Cause then there was this boy whose
Parents made him come directly home right after school
And when they went to their church
They shook and lurched all over the church floor
He couldn't quite explain it
They'd always just gone there

Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
-Crash Test Dummies

Your story popped that song into my head...

553 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:05:10pm

re: #544 Oh no...Sand People!

Now you are ruining all their fun. I thought the rules were for my neighbor and had nothing to do with myself. Right?
/

I'm a horrible person!

554 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:05:13pm

re: #546 Throbert McGee

OK. Just lost my appetite.

555 punchy100  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:05:33pm

I agree with Ghate except possibly on one point. The range of subjects covered here by Charles, the community of readers, and the amount of activity by both, I think, makes this the best blog on the web, Objectivist or not. Period. An arguable point, since there are a lot of good writers out there, but even as an Objectivist sympathizer myself, and LGF not being overtly so, I still get a lot of information and good opinion from here, and it's a daily visit for me.

Hmmm. Sounds like a tip jar moment...

556 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:06:15pm

re: #519 alegrias

Matters of faith, they shut shut their pie holes.

If politicians have pie holes, does that mean that mathematicians have Pi holes?
/ :)

557 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:06:44pm

re: #556 LGoPs

If politicians have pie holes, does that mean that mathematicians have Pi holes?
/ :)

It would be a sine of the times.

558 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #547 HoosierHoops

FWIW, I don't read Genesis to mean that God created the rainbow then; I read it to mean that he used the rainbow as the sign of his promise never to cover the earth in water again.

559 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:07:10pm

re: #548 calcajun

Yes, I miss the delightful Scottish Merlots as well as the Norwegian Clarets.

that's all I'm saying.

560 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:07:16pm

re: #557 calcajun

It would be a sine of the times.

That's a bit off tangent......
:)

561 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:07:35pm

re: #558 goddessoftheclassroom

FWIW, I don't read Genesis to mean that God created the rainbow then; I read it to mean that he used the rainbow as the sign of his promise never to cover the earth in water again.

Yeah. Next time, he won't use water. Great.

562 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:07:42pm

re: #557 calcajun

It would be a sine of the times.

I would agree with that theorem.

563 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #538 OldLineTexan

Stupid is pretty common. LMK how they like Obamanism.

One said in an email, "I still like Obama." It was in response to a video goof on Barack that reallly didn't call for a reply so I'm thinking my friend is entertaining some doubts.

564 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:08:16pm

re: #560 LGoPs

That's a bit off tangent......
:)

Oh, did I strike a chord?

565 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:08:24pm

re: #547 HoosierHoops

Hi, Hon. I'm well, and hope you are too. Picked up some Silk Chocolate Soy today based on FBV's recommendation. It's delicious!

I never attended a church in which I was told the Bible had to be read literally, so this whole thing has been a bit strange for me.

As far as your comment, it's true. There is no geological evidence to support a global flood. There is evidence however to support a massive local flood in the Black Sea, and it's a fascinating story of how it was discovered. Would you like to see a program the BBC did on the subject? I can grab the video, if you would like to watch it.

566 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:08:27pm

re: #542 VioletTiger

Jog my memory, isn't ringing any bells.

567 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:08:45pm

re: #495 Racer X

I asked him that when he first showed up here. He said no. I have my doubts.

Why ? Didn't many of you work free for the GOP ? Even knocking on doors, working a phone bank or the like ? BHO just sprinkled pixie dust on a whole bunch of folks.

568 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:08:59pm

re: #562 Oh no...Sand People!

I would agree with that theorem.

I don't know if I could buy that. I might need someone to cosine for me.....

569 Cognito  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:09:05pm

Charles, I'll say again: Comment 209 had nothing to do with your post. It addressed cattiness in the comments section.

Comment 175 should clarify.

570 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:09:12pm

re: #556 LGoPs

If politicians have pie holes, does that mean that mathematicians have Pi holes?
/ :)

Groan...:) and an upding...:)

571 Gus  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:09:27pm

re: #564 calcajun

Oh, did I strike a chord?

Looks like Charles has another article up so we're about to go off on a tangent.

572 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:09:32pm

re: #482 unrealizedviewpoint

a somewhat smaller distance than a parsec.

so it's like 88 cubits per centon is speeding?

573 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:09:38pm

re: #564 calcajun

Oh, did I strike a chord?

Sorry, I'm a bit nonplussed by that.......

574 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #550 VioletTiger

I'm here through Tuesday. Be sure and tip your waitperson.

/

575 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:10:32pm

Gotta scoot. See you later lizards.

576 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:10:34pm

re: #571 Gus 802

Woo hoo!

577 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:10:51pm

re: #561 calcajun

Yeah. Next time, he won't use water. Great.

Have you read Revelation? I truly do not want to be around, even if the whole thing is a metaphor. When I was a kid in the midst of the Cold War, I thought that the descriptions sounded like a nuclear attack, and I wouldn't want to live through that, either.

578 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:11:12pm

Now we know what made the Face on Mars!


Giant Alien Hexapod Robot CNC Router

579 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:11:12pm

re: #546 Throbert McGee

Antidote - if anyone needs it.

580 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:11:13pm

re: #567 avanti

Why ? Didn't many of you work free for the GOP ? Even knocking on doors, working a phone bank or the like ? BHO just sprinkled pixie dust on a whole bunch of folks.

Clinton got in a lot of trouble for something similar.

581 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:11:50pm

re: #578 jcm

Killgore beat ya to it.

582 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:13:44pm

re: #566 irongrampa

Jog my memory, isn't ringing any bells.

Chocolate cake for breakfast?

583 jcm  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:14:01pm

re: #581 OldLineTexan

Killgore beat ya to it.

Dang it!

584 Racer X  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:14:05pm

re: #567 avanti

Hows your BFFOTUS workin out for ya?

585 calcajun  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:14:41pm

re: #577 goddessoftheclassroom

I have and it made a believer in the pre-tribulation Rapture. I do not want to be around to see what is coming. But, part of me does. Odd that.

586 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #365 Cognito

Of course, once TV gets its lens in focus, nothing beats watching live while a murderous thug rolls down the 405 in his white Bronco.

Yeah, like that ever happens.

587 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:17:18pm

re: #531 HelloDare

I know three people who voted Democrat specifically because they thought Republicans were trying to cram religion down their throats.

You know four now. It started years ago with minor stuff like taking my Playboys out of the 7-11, then the madness of the Terri Schiavo thing scared the crap out of me. It was the first time I saw the GOP get moving on a issue, and interfering in the most private one I could imagine. It made such a impression on my family that we all wrote down a living will.

588 The Shadow Do  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:17:24pm

re: #527 avanti

Hoping all this Change you came here Hoping for works out well for you then. Will you be disappointed when it does not? I said when, not if. That is because I am old enough to have been down this road before with Carter and from what I have seen in a few short months, Carter was Obama light. I know you do not believe this now, but you will come to see it eventually if you are not completely ideallogically bound (I thought long and hard before NOT voting for Carter by the way - the first time I voted R). We, as a country, are in for a lot of hurt and Obama's policy is going to hurt many people for a very long time to come.

The day is sure to come when you will along with many others, having known the pain, will have to reevaluate your politics. Then you will see that you had indeed been bound with a ball in your mouth. How will you deal with that I wonder.

589 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:17:39pm

re: #376 Charles

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.

Historically speaking, I think the inspiration for the Flintstones was the Honeymooners!

590 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:18:23pm

re: #586 Archimedes

Yeah, like that ever happens.

It only happened once. Thanks to a sane jury in Nevada, that thug will never cause trouble for anyone outside prison ever again.

591 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:19:05pm

re: #558 goddessoftheclassroom

FWIW, I don't read Genesis to mean that God created the rainbow then; I read it to mean that he used the rainbow as the sign of his promise never to cover the earth in water again.

I'm sorry..I didn't mean to dump on my little kid stories..
/Can anybody here appreciate growing up in an adopted family with an Aunt who is a nun? Lucky for you..I have some really funny stories to tell

592 Emerald  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:19:05pm

re: #99 Sharmuta

I believe Dumbledore said as much.

You know, I think you're right.

593 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:19:51pm

re: #592 Emerald

You know, I think you're right.

He said so when awarding Neville 10 points. I love Neville.

594 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:20:59pm

i love fossils. we used to collect the most incredible carboniferous
fossils from the strip mines when we were kids. we also got a nice assortment of
devonian specimens from the cliffs along the mississippi river. i like trilobites.
and crinoids. and ancient ferns.
we need to let kids in the class room just follow the evidence that science provides.
study the actual fossils. the geology. the biology. the paleontology.
creationists are not equipped to examine and explore these facets of evolution.
they have the answers before they even look at the evidence.

595 abolitionist  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:22:41pm

re: #437 jcm

UPDATE 12-Crew regain control of hijacked ship off Somalia
Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:31pm EDT* Crew regain control of hijacked freighter

* Pirates still holding captain in lifeboat, crewman says

* US navy destroyer Bainbridge reported arriving on scene

* Clinton says world must end piracy 'scourge' (Adds report of U.S. Navy on the scene, paragraphs 3-4)

World=UN, means NOTHING!

To end it will take ordnance coming off of US assets.

Pompey solved the pirates problems in the whole Mediterranean in mere months, but we have radio, spy sats, aircraft carriers, cruise missiles, GPS-guided bombs, and the UN.

596 avanti  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:23:22pm

re: #588 The Shadow Do

The day is sure to come when you will along with many others, having known the pain, will have to reevaluate your politics. Then you will see that you had indeed been bound with a ball in your mouth. How will you deal with that I wonder.


Trust me, I'll be as bitter and disappointed as you would be if the situation is reversed.

597 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:24:46pm

re: #565 Sharmuta

Hi, Hon. I'm well, and hope you are too. Picked up some Silk Chocolate Soy today based on FBV's recommendation. It's delicious!

I never attended a church in which I was told the Bible had to be read literally, so this whole thing has been a bit strange for me.

As far as your comment, it's true. There is no geological evidence to support a global flood. There is evidence however to support a massive local flood in the Black Sea, and it's a fascinating story of how it was discovered. Would you like to see a program the BBC did on the subject? I can grab the video, if you would like to watch it.

You are very kind..Silk is wonderful..
I always check out your links..So bring it hot mama! *wink*

598 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:24:58pm

re: #379 LGoPs

I guess the American people got bored. There wasn't anything good on TV so they decided to elect an inexperienced nothing to run their country.....just for the entertainment value......
Hope they like the show.
/ *Spit*

I keep the TV on "mute" until the commercials come on. Just how long can one keep their head in the sand ? I'm gettin' a crick...how many more years of "Extendz"(?) commercials can I take before my head explodes ?
Now my fav. song is by the guys from "Free Credit ******dotcom", ya know, the ones dressed as pirates and knaves ?

"Tell yur friends, tell yur mom..."

Get all my headlines here.

OT: Speaking of TV, anyone follow the show "Breaking Bad" ?
I ask 'cause there was a scene
awhile back in which there was a meeting with "Tucco" (or whatever his name is/was) and 2 of his buddies out in the desert. As the meeting was ending one of the 2 associates opened his yap as they were all about to depart. Can I get a witness ? I would just LOVE to re do that scene with Charles as Tucco and one of the few posters here that feel every time Charles visits a thread and decides to chime in with a comment/opinion of his own in that 'they' have to ditto with a "Yeah, Charles is right and he doesn't have to put up with...ain't that right Charles ? You da man...and another thing, Charles don't like it when you..." yadda,yadda,yadda - as the 'associate' (if you saw the episode, you know exactly who I mean). It's freakin' embarrassing already AND what adds fuel to the
"echo chamber" fire/theory. Yes, I'm in an odd/foul mood, should probably take some Advil and go lie down with my aching self - flame away if you must but I hate that a.k., suk up sh*t and needed to get it off my chest (4 a few years now). Toadies.

**BTW, Charles likes his shaken not stirred....

599 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:26:13pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

Noah's Flood, part 1 of 5

600 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:27:06pm
601 Emerald  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:27:56pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Johnson is no moderate on evolution.

Why should Charles be moderate about something factual? Evolution exists. It's not going to go away just because your religious beliefs require a creator too powerless to set up a scientific framework to govern how life adapts.

602 kansas  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:32:42pm

re: #589 Archimedes

Historically speaking, I think the inspiration for the Flintstones was the Honeymooners!

So was there a Brontosaurus Burger or not?

603 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:37:55pm
604 kansas  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:41:20pm

re: #153 re: #587 avanti

You know four now. It started years ago with minor stuff like taking my Playboys out of the 7-11, then the madness of the Terri Schiavo thing scared the crap out of me. It was the first time I saw the GOP get moving on a issue, and interfering in the most private one I could imagine. It made such a impression on my family that we all wrote down a living will.


That Terri Schiavo thing scared me too. Especially the part where her estranged husband who was living with another woman went against the wishes of her mother and father and had her exterminated. The living will, however, is an excellent idea.

avanti

OK, excuse me while I give BHO a pat on the back for something I agree with. I just saw the news about the WW II Filipino's that served with our troops. I did not know they were promised benefits for serving that was later withdrawn.
link.

Name one thing you have not patted Obama's backside for.

605 Jimash  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:45:24pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

"wtf?
"
Think Giant cans of hairspray.

606 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:47:36pm

#601:

'...a creator too powerless to set up a scientific framework to govern how life adapts....'.

You're kiddin' me right ? Glad you got it all sorted out. Now what ?


#589:

On to more important things:

So was there a Brontosaurus Burger or not?

I think this says it all...

607 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 6:48:22pm

re: #604 kansas

A CT scan of Terri Schiavo's brain:

Image: File:Schiavo_catscan.jpg

There was nothing left in there. You folks who refused to see this reality achieved nothing except a whole lot of pain for everyone involved. I hope you feel proud.

608 Emerald  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:09:55pm

re: #606 leftover54

#601:

'...a creator too powerless to set up a scientific framework to govern how life adapts....'.

You're kiddin' me right ? Glad you got it all sorted out. Now what ?


Nope. There is no conflict between religious belief and accepting the reality of evolution accept to those who can't believe in a God capable of creating it.

There are physical laws that govern every aspect of existence. Everything from weather, from conception through death, to how a twig burns or magma melts, to the movement of the galaxies and the individual electrons in every atom of every molecule of everything in existence. The same groundwork created alongside the universe governs evolution.

Creationism means denying the evidence provided for you. It requires turning off the brains given to you by God. The evidence exists. Logically, that evidence was also created by God. Denying evolution is denying something he manifested on Earth. It's a denial of part of his creation.

609 Eagle  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:11:46pm

re: #368 TheHistorian

Johnson is no moderate on evolution. He is not just pro-evolution, but he is anti-creation. I don't mind his opinions, and not even freely expressed (it is HIS page) but don't like closed minds who disparage others on any issue. And I view that he does this.
The problem we have from the left is that the illiterati shout down any idea they don't like, rather than trying to discuss the issues. Whenever I hear someone who won't discuss an issue, I tend to believe that they know little about it.

That is just a ridiculous thing to say. Your comment shows that you are nothing more than an electronic age cyber-flasher, exposing your privates to the eyes of good lizards. And we are not impressed with your privates. With all due respect, they are puny and over-hyped.

Anti-creation? Use the proper label. Charles supports rationalism. (not that I speak for Charles) Anyone who makes a claim, must support that claim by fact. The burden of proof is on the proponent of an idea, not upon the listener. There are mountains of evidence in favor of evolution. As far as I know, none for creationism. To come here and say Charles is anti-x, without first proving x yourself... is just ignorant.

I have never met Charles, but I suspect that he will listen to his rational faculty over your exhortations. It's his blog, he doesn't need to accept you r ideas. But you are free to try and prove them. Good luck with that.

610 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:11:55pm

I have hung around these threads for 4 or 5 years now and I have never seen Charles ban a user because they didn't agree with him. Thats bullshit.

611 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:26:58pm

Charles,
Not looking to argue the matter but out of curiosity (since the post just has the brief comment & link), does your source include any info. on when this particular scan was done and if this was made available to the plaintiffs ?
Sincerely, just curious that's all. BTW, if one has never been through the agony of having to make these kind of decisions - well, you just can't imagine. I had to. I also thought I had it all worked out right up until putting pen to paper. The unexpected "variables" that pop out of the woodwork at the last minute(s) - family, friends,physicians, circumstances, "reading" too much into an "event", sleep deprivation,conscience, coincidences,every conceivable argument pro & con - an unbearable 'weight'. It isn't as simple, cut & dried as one may think. Ever been a 'line' worker, complaining about the boss, thinking "they have it made" and then one day you become the boss ? Just one of those positions you really have to be in/go through to understand and I wouldn't wish it on anyone - no matter how firm you think you are in your convictions. Another example would be "Roe" (vs Wade) and how she feels about her past decisions now.Not right and wrong, just a complete turn about and having to live with what you thought as 'right' so many years ago. Different from choosing and having to live with 'avecdo' colored appliances in 10 years down the road ! I'm not taking one side or the other here, just sayin'... And maybe you have been there/done that, I really don't know. Please keep in mind what doesn't translate in 'puter speak. No innuendo, sarcasm, criticism here - just curious plain & simple. I remember the debate but not the CAT scans - hell, I don't remember what I had for breakfast !
The best thing to do, no matter your age, is to put your 'wishes' in writing and make them well known to family and friends - you can spare them all a ton of grief !

612 Emerald  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:27:38pm

re: #593 Sharmuta

He said so when awarding Neville 10 points. I love Neville.

Neville was one of my favorite characters. He was a bit more believable, if that's the right word for a fantasy series, and he grew a lot over the series.

613 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:29:59pm

PIMF: Jeeeesh, thats 'avocado' FWIW.

614 Anna D  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:32:54pm

Ghate is flat out wrong in his/her characterization of Republicans. In my town in Massachusetts, the people who oppose vaccines and community water fluoridation are liberal Democrat whack-jobs. Republicans are rational and thoughtful people (with an occasional whack-job - but they are outliers, not the norm). I object to Ghate's characterization. And as a scientist, why can't I meld my belief in evolution with a belief that it was a grand design by a loving and intelligent God? After all, the Big Bang was the hand-clap of God.

615 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:34:10pm

re: #608 Emerald

Am I missing something here ? You were the one that typed
"a creator too powerless..."

I guess it's in the definition of "Creator".

616 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:37:48pm

#601

My apologies. I'm wrong. Just read back your OP and you started off the sentence with "...your creator" .

My bad.

617 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:46:43pm

re: #451 HelloDare

This is not good:

The Evolution Trap
by Ken Blackwell

Crucial presidential debates are coming soon. They can be a subtle problem, especially when it comes to evolution. Often reporters ask questions that are designed to do irreparable harm to conservative candidates. That was exactly the intent of the evolution question in the first GOP candidate forum on MSNBC on May 3.

On that occasion, Senator McCain was asked if he believed in evolution. He said he did, explaining that he sees God in the majesty of the Grand Canyon.

Senator McCain is not the first person inspired to thoughts of God by the sight of the Grand Canyon. However, that has nothing to do with biological evolution. That’s okay, because the question wasn’t about biological evolution.

But the trap was set. The other nine candidates were asked to raise their hand if they did not believe in evolution.

Three hands were raised. Seven candidates kept their hands down.

The problem is this: Evolution is not merely a yes or no question. Consider this scenario.

What if the request had been, “Raise your hand if you don’t believe in abortion.”?

“Well let me explain. Some people believe in abortion on demand, some believe that abortion should never be permitted. Most people don’t fall into either camp. What about someone who is generally pro-life, but believes abortion should be permitted in cases of rape or incest? What about people who believe abortions should be legal early in a pregnancy, yet oppose late-term and partial-birth abortion.

A yes or no question on abortion simplifies the issue. It doesn’t give us a chance to explain our position. When we raise or don’t raise our hand, viewers have no idea of the complexity of the issue. All this does is create confusion, resulting in the exact opposite of what public debates are supposed to achieve.”

Here is what I believe the best answer would have been to the evolution question: “I can’t answer until you expand upon your question. Are you asking about microevolution or macroevolution?”

This keeps conservatives out of the trap. This forces a discussion of the issue. The moderator can only proceed by saying, “Can you explain?”, in which case the candidate should continue:

“Well, if you mean microevolution, where an organism adapts to its environment with the flexibility inherent in its DNA, then yes I believe in that; we see it every day in nature. But if you mean macroevolution, where mutations stack on one another to create entirely new organ systems and transform one species into a totally different species, then I, along with many scientists, have serious issues with that theory.”

That answer advances public discourse and a candidate can deliver it in thirty seconds. When someone says they do not believe in “evolution,” the common rebuttal is to point to microevolution and charge the candidate with being an anti-science religious zealot. But when people say “evolution,” most are referring to macroevolution. By forcing the terms “microevolution” and “macroevolution” into the debate, a candidate deflects the attack and reframes the debate. Discussing the numerous scientists who have concerns with macroevolution only adds gravity and authority to the candidate’s position.

This guy is advising creationist candidates to pull a lawyerese Bill Clinton (depends upon what the meaning of "is" is...), to obfuscate, equivocate, and outright lie in order to make an anti-science stand seem palatable to pro-science people.

And he invokes the discredited old irreducable complexity canard, with reference to the human eye. He is bioscientifically illiterate, and is busy instructing other bioscientific illiterates how to skate their ignorance by.

618 Ming  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:48:54pm

Charles is to be commended for holding on to high standards. Issues of the day are always more complex than they may seem at first glance. I've always been libertarian in outlook (if not in party), uncomfortable with excessive government spending. However, in the current economic crists, I'm willing to consider that Obama's massive spending may be the only way to arrest the free-fall of 600,000 jobs lost every month. We should be able to disagree without becoming disagreeable. If someone has a different opinion from our own, that doesn't mean they're a socialist, a traitor, out to destroy America, or not a natural-born citizen.

619 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:50:16pm

Werner Heisenberg was pulled over by a policeman.
The policeman asked, " Do you know how fast you were going?'
Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am".

620 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #611 leftover54

Charles,
Not looking to argue the matter but out of curiosity (since the post just has the brief comment & link), does your source include any info. on when this particular scan was done and if this was made available to the plaintiffs ?

One way to find out would be to follow the link and, you know, read what's there.

Not that I'm suggesting anything.

621 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #611 leftover54

Charles,
Not looking to argue the matter but out of curiosity (since the post just has the brief comment & link), does your source include any info. on when this particular scan was done and if this was made available to the plaintiffs ?
Sincerely, just curious that's all. BTW, if one has never been through the agony of having to make these kind of decisions - well, you just can't imagine. I had to. I also thought I had it all worked out right up until putting pen to paper. The unexpected "variables" that pop out of the woodwork at the last minute(s) - family, friends,physicians, circumstances, "reading" too much into an "event", sleep deprivation,conscience, coincidences,every conceivable argument pro & con - an unbearable 'weight'. It isn't as simple, cut & dried as one may think. Ever been a 'line' worker, complaining about the boss, thinking "they have it made" and then one day you become the boss ? Just one of those positions you really have to be in/go through to understand and I wouldn't wish it on anyone - no matter how firm you think you are in your convictions. Another example would be "Roe" (vs Wade) and how she feels about her past decisions now.Not right and wrong, just a complete turn about and having to live with what you thought as 'right' so many years ago. Different from choosing and having to live with 'avecdo' colored appliances in 10 years down the road ! I'm not taking one side or the other here, just sayin'... And maybe you have been there/done that, I really don't know. Please keep in mind what doesn't translate in 'puter speak. No innuendo, sarcasm, criticism here - just curious plain & simple. I remember the debate but not the CAT scans - hell, I don't remember what I had for breakfast !
The best thing to do, no matter your age, is to put your 'wishes' in writing and make them well known to family and friends - you can spare them all a ton of grief !

It is one of the flimsiest excuses imaginable to endeavor to justify one's restriction of other peoples' free choices by claiming that they just might regret making those choices somewhere down the road.

622 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:09:32pm

Gotta say, the "Karma" meter here in entertaining.

On site's like Youtube, you use downtics to make
spam, verbal attacks, etc. eventally disappear from
view after a -6 or so ranking.

Here....it's just people beating on you because they
don't care for your opinion, regardless of how how
it was presented.

Often, it seems to say more about the more
petty amongst you, than it does about the
person dinging.

623 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:14:31pm

re: #186 DEZes

Piss off!


Another thoughtful commenter. Thanks for your
input.

I thought it was The Liberals who were the
emotional ones, so ready to attack the person,
rather than the comment?

The Daily Kos anxiously awaits your registration.

624 jaunte  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:16:14pm

re: #622 Hawaii69

On the other hand, here your thought will remain posted, despite accumulating negative ratings, unless it violates the posted rules above.

625 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #222 Alouette

HoosierHoops' posts here are valued and welcome.

What have you contributed here? If the language offends you, go find a prissypants blog where you won't blush.

The language? Oh, I don't care about the language.

The lack or maturity. The lack of a reasonable
discussion. The vitriol that is ready to spill out
at at a moments notice. The Ad hominem attacks
by people who allegedly pride themelves on being
more rational than the Left....

...but not the language.

626 Orbit Rain  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:27:07pm

Charles,

"Though I don’t have time to follow it as closely as I’d like to" ...pretty much sums up most of what's been going on with me lately, and the various reality denying attacks I see/hear/read from a bunch of people...*individuals*...I don't give much attention to...the attacks *are* revealing when glanced upon...straight denial...for what reason...so many...meh...

Too many attention-whores out there, giving them my time is what they want...don't feed the trolls...

speaking of... via instapundit, something from some other huffington type bloggers

‘They come to us, expecting us to give them free publicity" I don't feel the hand of parties coming to you, it's the other way around. But they protest you as part of the grand conspiracy, because they like to project their faults... their ways...on to you.

mind-readers

indeed

627 armytramp  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:27:51pm

Hi Charles,

I've been on LGF for many years, and had another nic before this one. I don't post much anymore, but just wanted to pop in and let you know you have my support.

And I haven't been able to bear the ill-named Atlas Shrugged blog since the first time I saw the embarrassing Photoshop of Miss Pamela in Supergirl gear.

Honestly.

628 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 8:34:23pm
re: #376 Charles

OK, so let's discuss the issues! Did Noah make sure to include T Rex on the Ark? Is the Flintstones a documentary?

Discuss.


The Flintstones is not a documentary. It is a reality show. I say that because it aired every week. A documentary would have aired only once, and then repeated.

629 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:16:03pm

re: #620 Charles

I did. I saw only a picture. That's why I asked - thought you might have a link to more info. I could Google but then I might not be reading the same as you which is where I prefer to start and take it from there. Not a challenge, not looking for an argument. Maybe my browser is blocking a script or something, I'll go back and check.
Thanks anyhow.

#621:

Listen, I'm NOT trying to say anything other than what you feel so STRONGLY about today can change tomorrow. Call it "evolution" of the mind. I'm not judging anyone, their decisions, opinion(s) etc., I type as plain as I possibly can that I am not looking to argue one side ot the other here. I've been reading here forever but have not posted as I am no longer as fired up about anything today as I was even 6 months ago. I'm trying to understand each persons view/opinion. I just asked for a bit of info. so I could be spared the "search" if at all possible. The only reason for this was so I could keep on top of the follow up posts and not be lost in Google Land until 2am. I'm NOT trying to restrict a freakin' thing ! Do whatever the hell you want - its your life not mine. I simply asked for a little info if it was readily available
as it appeared that new info./facts have come to light that may give a bit more insight into the interested parties state of mind at the time - possibly making their positions a bit more outragous given these facts if they were known and then went on to point out that the way one may have felt about a given subject/opinion may change. Do you see the connection between the two ? is it just me ? In other words - IF the plaintiffs had the CAT scans during the hearings and had proof + that there was ZERO brain activity and I/we didn't KNOW this, then we can re evaluate their
"position" with this new knowledge. If they DID NOT have this proof and, from the little i still re call, their position was based solely on the testimony/opinions of "professionals" (who can be hired to testify both pro and con) then evaluate (re evaluate) from this. And, if it is NEW proof/info. then, as I was trying to point out, ones opinion may be altered now these few years later.
My point on "Roe" is, for all I know, her current position (if it hasn't changed again) MAY have derived from the advances made over the past 40 years from ultra sound to the amazing photos/video of the fetus living in the womb - I don't know, I don't really care, just had the thought when I reflected on the CAT scan pix Charles linked to. I'm not really up to speed on the subject, don't know when the C scan pix were done and wonder if they would have impacted those so entrenched if they had them at the time. J_sus my head is FREAKIN POUNDING now ! Nothing like a little friendly exchange of info. ! I don't even know what I just typed or why I'm bothering ! I wasn't taking sides or trying to piss anyone off ! So much for being curious and trying to explain a difficult experience. No matter where you go or who you talk to these days it seems everyone just has to say "shut up old man, no one gives a sh*t about what you went through or what you think". And I'm not whining about it either so don't take this wrong. I just happen to still have very good long term memory and there was a time when people were interested in hearing others experiences and what they learned from them. Then again, maybe I'm deluding myself about the "good old days" too.
Make your own choices and live with 'em. Its what life's about anyhow right ?

"...by claiming that they just might regret making those choices somewhere down the road."

I hope you don't work for for your local "Suicide Hot Line".

630 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:25:50pm

OK. The Wikipedi didn't load past displaying the Cat scan pic at the top of the page - apparently I had too many pages/windows open and Firefox crashed/hung up - whatever. Sorry for the trouble,
I thought the pic was all you had linked to.

631 Promethea  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:26:44pm

re: #594 nyc redneck

i love fossils. we used to collect the most incredible carboniferous
fossils from the strip mines when we were kids. we also got a nice assortment of
devonian specimens from the cliffs along the mississippi river. i like trilobites.
and crinoids. and ancient ferns.
we need to let kids in the class room just follow the evidence that science provides.
study the actual fossils. the geology. the biology. the paleontology.
creationists are not equipped to examine and explore these facets of evolution.
they have the answers before they even look at the evidence.

I have a pet trilobite in my office. I love trilobites.

632 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:56:20pm

Wow, now that was fun. I decided to check my "History" file and noticed that both the 1st and 2nd visits to "Wikipedia" (re: Terry Schiavo link provided by Charles) appeared identical. I checked to see if the Wikipedia page had just been updated. Nope. I discovered though that the "Cool Previews" plug in I have for the Firefox browser and the position of my cursor caused me to see only the page showing the CAT scan pic and nothing else. Its a "hover" type plug in. All embedded links prompt a little blue icon to appear when the cursor hovers anywhere close to it. When the cursor is directly on the blue icon the plug in automatically opens the hyper link embedded in the page. My cursor was positioned just right to cause the link to the sole picture to open before the Wikipedi page from Charles' link had a chance to load. This is a great discovery for me as this isn't the first time this has happened and it always confounded me. Now I know to watch
for this as the only clue that you've been re directed is the top border of the page reads "Cool Previews" instead of 'Mozilla Firefox'. Normally you would have elected to go to the secondary link and would obviously be aware that you are viewing the secondary page BUT, when re directed without your knowledge it can cause confusion. I also now know why there is a Cool Previews setting that can be set to delay the secondary display ! I have it set to instantly react (instant gratification) and no doubt the reason the setting can be adjusted. Hopefully this might help someone else using this same plug in.

633 leftover54  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 9:58:15pm

632 con't.

And the page viewed in/by "Cool Previews" is not recorded in the browsers 'History' file !

634 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:01:32pm

re: #182 pcalver

Sod off, swampy....you're being awful presumptuous. Do you think taking a massive dump in the middle of your host's (Charles') living room is acceptable behavior or are you just dense?

635 Catttt  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:07:17pm

re: #127 pcalver

Why should I defend myself from cretins who would use profanity to respond to my reasonable message to Charles? I think you are very revealing in your lack of response on the points in the message, rather focusing on ad hominem attacks. I'm no troll here. I have enjoyed much of LGF's work over the past few years. My posts are few, because unlike most posters here, I actually try to have something to say when I write on a blog. I am just politely calling Charles out on a loss of focus and a blog that seems in danger of drifting into oblivion. Again, just my $0.02.
Now see if you can respond without profanity or attacking me personally. Thanks.

No one used profanity. That's taking the Lord's name in vain. Words like fuck, etc., are obscene, not profane.

636 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:11:43pm

re: #354 TheHistorian

I disagree that conservatism is dead. Go see the link [Link: mediamatters.org...] and watch them try to spin the exit polling in 2008. Americans are center-right. You talk to them, and they stand on the right of free speech, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, and the panoply of issues that exist out there. Most of them do not mind evolution being taught, but want "equal time" for other concepts which may include "creationism".

Not just NO!, but HELL NO!

/religion of any kind does not belong in science class...

637 markie  Wed, Apr 8, 2009 10:12:48pm

The truth will out, Charles. Eventually the addled opposition will largely see the light and come around and you'll be able to hand out the "I told you so's"

Stick to your guns. And keep your powder dry.

638 mashiki  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:52:01am

*cackle*

Now buying Charles simulacra from the insane to help facilitate a smoother world takeover for our great lizardoid army!

639 notutopia  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 6:18:51am

Keen observations and nice article from Amit.

....That’s why I created those little “Charles” simulacra that live inside your heads and command you to hang on my every word. I hope the voices aren’t too loud....

Truly laughing out loud! Ah, the glorious power and weakness of the human mind toward suggestion.

ROFLMAO! All TOO REAL Charles!

640 Yashmak  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:07:19am

re: #637 markie

The truth will out, Charles. Eventually the addled opposition will largely see the light and come around and you'll be able to hand out the "I told you so's"

Stick to your guns. And keep your powder dry.

I sure hope you're right. Another school of thought would say that the only real way to put a stop to the nonsense is to let the folks spouting it have a free hand, let them run everything into the ground. . .proving once and for all the idiocy of their ways. But given the overwhelming historical evidence that man is slow to learn from his mistakes, I'm doubtful that's a very good idea.

641 CLLRusso  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 7:25:37am

Well, I'm a Christian and don't believe in Creationism, but those that do certainly have a right to their opinion, just don't try to impose it on me. I am curious though, since the creation story is in the Old Testament, when did Jews stop believing in the notion that the world was created in 6 days?

642 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 8:41:38am

There is no neocon conspiracy, just as there was no Jewish conspiracy in 1935. There is only objective reality, the scientific method used to reveal its ways, and the simple truth that people who adjust their beliefs to match reality will always be more successful than those who expect reality to bow to their beliefs.

643 Sponge  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:56:50am

Didn't Bush lower his head to receive a medal from the king, simulating a bow only to receive the medal? Any other time, he simply nodded his head, much in the way the much taller 0bama did with the Queen of England.

644 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 2:18:00am

re: #629 leftover54

"...by claiming that they just might regret making those choices somewhere down the road."

I hope you don't work for for your local "Suicide Hot Line".

Oh great; now we have some nimrod comparing abortion to suicide.

Newsflash, dewde; the woman is alive after the abortion to either regret her decision, or, in the vast majority of cases, not. After a suicide, the principal decision maker isn't still around to second-guess him-herself.


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