China’s In the House

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Science • Thu Apr 9, 2009 at 8:58 am PDT • Views: 205

Chinese robots. The Internet is lousy with them.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. concerns about the potential for cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure extended to the American electrical power grid on Wednesday and experts pointed the finger anew at Chinese hackers, among others.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told reporters the power grid is vulnerable to potentially disabling computer attacks, while declining to comment on reports that an intrusion had taken place.

“The vulnerability is something that the Department of Homeland Security and the energy sector have known about for years,” she said. “We acknowledge that … in this world, in an increasingly cyber world, these are increasing risks.”

Napolitano spoke after the Wall Street Journal reported that cyberspies had penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system. The Journal said the intruders have not sought to damage the power grid or other key infrastructure but could try during a crisis or war.

The United States for several years has accused the Chinese and Russians, among others, of using cyber-attacks to try to steal American trade secrets, military secrets and government secrets.

The Chinese have been particularly active, a former U.S. security official told Reuters. “They are all over the place,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “They’re getting into university systems, contractor systems, hacking government systems. There’s no reason to think that the electrical system would be immune as well.”

It’s true; there are Chinese web bots crawling all over the web, looking for vulnerabilities in any system connected to the outside world. Before we upgraded our servers at LGF, the bandwidth consumption of these bots would sometimes slow the site to a crawl, or even crash the server. This no longer happens, but perusing the logs shows thousands of hits from Chinese bots every day.

This is a very serious problem; no one really knows how many systems have been compromised by the Chinese, but it’s a safe bet that there are a lot of disasters on the horizon, if and when they start doing more than simply probing defenses.

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1 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:00:05am

Don't blame me!

2 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:02am

KILL THE BOTS!

3 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:06am

I don't wanna learn Chinese.

4 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:10am

I blame Bill Gates. Or George Bush. Maybe both. And Nixon.

5 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:14am

Hmmm...makes reneging on all that debt of ours even more problematic.

6 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #3 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't wanna learn Chinese.

Don't worry apparently they know English.

7 Mike in Georgia  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:01:57am

re: #1 Guanxi88

Me neither, I barley know how to spell puter.

8 MPH  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:08am

I've considered a reverse firewall on our own servers...no chinese traffic allowed (it rarely seems to be normal traffic).

9 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:18am

re: #3 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't wanna learn Chinese.

May not have much choice. The own the mortgage on the country. Day may come when we give them the keys and registration to some of our carriers as part of a debt-consolidation loan. (shudder)

10 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:33am

you can't worry about bots, just from China
they can place people here to do their hacking and make it appear "domestic"

that the Chicom's would not know and utilize this is naive of our DHS to not acknowledge

11 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:45am

Chinese hackers are just trying to find a pattern in open LGF registrations so they can create sock puppets and comment on the creationist threads.

12 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:03:55am
“The vulnerability is something that the Department of Homeland Security and the energy sector have known about for years,” she said. “We acknowledge that ... in this world, in an increasingly cyber world, these are increasing risks.”

So- are they claiming this is another inherited issue yet?

13 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:04:20am

re: #9 calcajun

May not have much choice. The own the mortgage on the country. Day may come when we give them the keys and registration to some of our carriers as part of a debt-consolidation loan. (shudder)

why don't we just nationalize their debts
like Venezuela did our oil interests down there ?

14 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:05am

Should I start stocking up on canned food, ammo and wine?

15 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:08am

Well, you can be philosophical about it...

16 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:11am

The problem with Chinese bot attacks is that you're hungry for another one in an hour.

/somebody had to say it

17 mike(in)savage  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:12am

LET"S GO BEAVERS!

/getting ready for some Frozen Four action)

18 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:05:14am

re: #11 DaddyG

Chinese hackers are just trying to find a pattern in open LGF registrations so they can create sock puppets and comment on the creationist threads.

you forgot bow-gate threads
and birth-gate threads

19 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:02am

re: #9 calcajun

May not have much choice. The own the mortgage on the country. Day may come when we give them the keys and registration to some of our carriers as part of a debt-consolidation loan. (shudder)

Nope, it's unsecured debt! So long, suckers!

20 MJ  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:16am

At the rate Obama is creating debt and the rate that the Chinese are buying up that debt, the Chinese are probably just testing what they believe to be their property.

21 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:24am

re: #13 Adrenalyn

their debts?

What debts? You have any idea how many of our T-Bills they are holding?

22 Kragar  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:45am

How do you say unclench in Mandarin?

On the bright side, its job security for me

23 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:49am

At what point can we consider this a hostile act by a foreign power, kids?

24 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:06:57am

re: #4 Sharmuta

I blame Bill Gates. Or George Bush. Maybe both. And Nixon.

Don't forget Raygun...
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25 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:21am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

At what point can we consider this a hostile act by a foreign power, kids?

Not until at least 2013. Maybe longer.

26 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #12 Sharmuta

So- are they claiming this is another inherited issue yet?

Probably is.

27 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:34am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Should I start stocking up on canned food, ammo and wine?

yes. I have. I fact, you might want to start learning how to make all three. The worst may never come to the worst, but they're good skills to have.

28 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:38am

The electric power grid has a finite number of access points: power plants, transmission yards, etc. All are controlled by known entities (power companies, city utility depts., government agencies, etc.) It shouldn't be too difficult to use hard (closed key) encryption for these points and a sanitized, stripped down, operating system and application software for the computers that run them. Why run Windows, with all its security problems?

29 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #21 calcajun

yes, correction, their T bills

30 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:07:54am

Just don't eat the robots - they're full of lead & melamine!

31 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:00am

Extremist kook Glenn Beck had a segment on this yesterday on his show.

One of the (ex-CIA) guests said this has been going on for years, and was a bit surprised that the American Public is just now waking up to it.

32 joncelli  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:10am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Go straight to the wine -- you'll feel much better about the apocalypse.

33 Kragar  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:16am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Should I start stocking up on canned food, ammo and wine?

and thats just for over the weekend...

34 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:49am

re: #4 Sharmuta
I blame Gore after all he did invent it!
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35 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:50am

re: #26 unrealizedviewpoint

Probably is.

This would be a legitimate claim, imo. This has been going on for years, and what is anyone doing about it? Not that we should be told, as it might compromise the measures and thus our security... maybe the NYT will tell us in a few months.

36 Karagush  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:56am

this has been a concern of mine for a while now. You know our water pumping stations are also computerized. Turn off power and water, and we are in a world of hurt in the big cities. If i was an evil supervillain, thats how i would hold the country hostage. No army. no weapons. Thirsty people drowning in crap, in the dark.
kinda worrisome. I hope they get on this problem and take it seriously. the economic damage it could do concerns me.

37 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:08:57am

Is this really a surprise? I mean don't they build most of our computers?

38 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:09:01am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

At what point can we consider this a hostile act by a foreign power, kids?

At the point they stop financing 70 percent of our deficit.

39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:09:05am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

Should I start stocking up on canned food, ammo and wine?

The French used to supply their soldiers with "instant" wine, called Vinogel.

40 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:09:38am

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

...What ? No beer?
Fine ..I ain't comin!
LOL

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:09:46am

re: #37 Ford_Prefect

Is this really a surprise? I mean don't they build most of our computers?

Mine came from South Dakota.

42 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:04am

Are these clenched or unclenched robots?

43 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:08am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

At what point can we consider this a hostile act by a foreign power, kids?

The Chinese are our friends... We share common goals...

44 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:16am

How many routers and other critical internet infrastructure items come from China?

As for the electrical grid, here is an article and comments that talk somewhat more about it.

One email stated that The power systems we have in place today are ran by Knobs and Switches. Mostly built int he 70's and 80's, these power stations are mostly ran by manual intervention. The power stations that _have_ been stood up since then, a couple of Nuclear Power stations, are federally regulated to not have any connections to anything, let alone the Internet.

Since this particular email comes from a very trusted source, I am inclinded to believe this person. Is it possible that there ARE computers in power stations that are connected to the Internet? Yes, I am quite sure there are. However, is it possible that the computer or computers (if there are any) that actually CONTROL the power are connected to the internet, I tend to not believe that.

45 Karagush  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #27 calcajun

yes. I have. I fact, you might want to start learning how to make all three. The worst may never come to the worst, but they're good skills to have.

In cali it pays to be prepared for an earthquake if nothing else.

46 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:18am

re: #39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Vinogel.

Sounds like some sort of contraceptive/marital aid.

47 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:22am

re: #39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The French used to supply their soldiers with "instant" wine, called Vinogel Nancy Pelosi.

FIFY

48 mad_scientist  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:10:35am

re: #12 Sharmuta

So- are they claiming this is another inherited issue yet?

Every problem that occurs in the next 4 years will somehow be blamed on the Bush administration. Every problem inherited, and how it was so bad when Obama took office that it isnt his fault that the country is falling apart...

49 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:15am

re: #39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The French used to supply their soldiers with "instant" wine, called Vinogel.

Yes, these morale supplies are much under-estimated; I think it's a damned good idea to make sure the troops have some of the little indulgences. Tobacco, for those who'd prefer it, chocolate, limited (and only under tightly-controlled circumstances) amounts of beer or wine, even; all these things could do much to improve morale.

More's the pity that they've been largely phased out.

50 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:16am

re: #45 Karagush

In cali it pays to be prepared for an earthquake if nothing else.

Having grown up on the Gulf Coast, I'll take earthquakes over hurricanes any day.

51 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:18am

re: #28 Son of the Black Dog

The electric power grid has a finite number of access points: power plants, transmission yards, etc. All are controlled by known entities (power companies, city utility depts., government agencies, etc.) It shouldn't be too difficult to use hard (closed key) encryption for these points and a sanitized, stripped down, operating system and application software for the computers that run them. Why run Windows, with all its security problems?

Most systems aren't or shouldn't be connected to the internet.

52 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:19am

but in all reality
the Chinese depend on our consumption for millions of jobs

we stop buying, they stop working

or do you really think they are inhuman enough to wipe out millions of unemployed protestors, should we stop buying and factories close ?

53 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:26am

I've long worried that with our absolute dependence on advanced computers and the communications networks required to support them that a potential enemy's problem is simplified. Disable our comms backbone. Our miltary is highly dependent on these assets and if the supporting architecture is taken down we lose our current overwhelming advantage and are back to 1940's era tactics.

54 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:11:38am

Time to start isolating the important stuff.

55 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #52 Adrenalyn

but in all reality
the Chinese depend on our consumption for millions of jobs

we stop buying, they stop working

or do you really think they are inhuman enough to wipe out millions of unemployed protestors, should we stop buying and factories close ?

And where will all those WalMart employees go, eh?

56 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:12:42am

re: #53 LGoPs

I've long worried that with our absolute dependence on advanced computers and the communications networks required to support them that a potential enemy's problem is simplified. Disable our comms backbone. Our miltary is highly dependent on these assets and if the supporting architecture is taken down we lose our current overwhelming advantage and are back to 1940's era tactics.

Damn Cylons!

57 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:13:43am

re: #49 Guanxi88

Yes, these morale supplies are much under-estimated; I think it's a damned good idea to make sure the troops have some of the little indulgences. Tobacco, for those who'd prefer it, chocolate, limited (and only under tightly-controlled circumstances) amounts of beer or wine, even; all these things could do much to improve morale.

More's the pity that they've been largely phased out.

Coffee is known as "joe" because it was substituted in place of beer in the Navy by then Secretary of The Navy Josephus Daniels

58 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #53 LGoPs

I've long worried that with our absolute dependence on advanced computers and the communications networks required to support them that a potential enemy's problem is simplified. Disable our comms backbone. Our miltary is highly dependent on these assets and if the supporting architecture is taken down we lose our current overwhelming advantage and are back to 1940's era tactics.

Yes. I'm actually more concerned about the military than the power grid, which isn't as advanced.

59 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:16:04am

re: #39 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The French used to supply their soldiers with "instant" wine, called Vinogel.

Now that sounds horrible.

60 rrgg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:16:32am

>I've considered a reverse firewall on our own servers...
>no chinese traffic allowed (it rarely seems to be normal traffic).

I've already done that actually. I don't allow traffic from China, Russia, Taiwain, or Thailand.

61 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:17:18am

re: #55 calcajun

And where will all those WalMart employees go, eh?

seriously ! ?

they will still be employed
Korea and Japan would more than love to get back some mfg jobs lost to the Chicom's over the years

we also have Nafta, as an attempt to bring cheap labor closer to our shores

much as I bash the gov't at times
don't underestimate
there are some forward thinkers left

62 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:17:28am
GLENN: All right. So next question is are you watching 24?

SUAREZ: You know, I'm not. I've been really busy lately but I'll catch up with it on TiVo at some point but I will sounds like an interesting plot line.

GLENN: What they are doing is they are crashing plains, they are just taking over air-traffic control, they found a way to get in through the fire walls or whatever it is. I'm not a techy. But they found a way in. And China has done things just kind of probing and pushing into some of our infrastructure, and infrastructure around the world. You say in your book, and the great thing about this book is all of it is actual technology.

SUAREZ: That's correct.

GLENN: You say it's not going to come this way; it's even more frightening. Explain.

SUAREZ: Well, what I mean is that I think this cybergeddon scenario where, you know, federal officials are very concerned that somebody would crash all of our systems at once, I think that's -- although it's a concern, I think the bigger concern is the idea that our systems are being penetrated stealthily, that we do not know that there are back doors in many of these systems. There are armies of zombie computers called botnets that are computers that run and they act normally, but --

GLENN: Wait.

SUAREZ: Sure.

GLENN: What do you mean there's zombie botnet machines?

22 jan 2009
[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

63 Adrenalyn  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:17:54am

re: #60 rrgg

>I've considered a reverse firewall on our own servers...
>no chinese traffic allowed (it rarely seems to be normal traffic).

I've already done that actually. I don't allow traffic from China, Russia, Taiwain, or Thailand.

add India please

64 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:20:43am

Technology - a practical application.

Wonder if the Chinese had anything to do with this?

65 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:22:14am

re: #48 mad_scientist

Every problem that occurs in the next 4 years will somehow be blamed on the Bush administration. Every problem inherited, and how it was so bad when Obama took office that it isnt his fault that the country is falling apart...

Never has a sitting President openly blamed his predecessor like this. Also notice that Cheney is responding. This too is not usual. When all these huge problems heat up, and they will, and folks are lookin' to do a hangin'. They'll start hearing this former VP. I believe American's likes Cheney.

66 JohnSteele  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:23:17am

There is a simple solution for this: ALL western Internet providers simply block all the IP blocks assigned to China until they teach their people to play nicely.

67 caution  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:27:52am

In other news, fear of ___ doing ___ results in more government.

68 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:28:13am

AP has no moral compass whatsoever:

Kim proves he remains in charge of North Korea

A visibly grayer and thinner Kim Jong Il proved Thursday he remains in charge of communist North Korea, presiding over parliament in a triumphant return to center stage after months out of the public eye following a reported stroke.

Limping slightly, Kim arrived at the grand hall housing the 687-seat Supreme People's Assembly to a standing ovation and praise for a weekend rocket launch heralded as "historic" at home though assailed in some nations as provocative.

Admiring tone throughout, & no mention of the countless evils of the NoKo regime.

69 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:29:55am

re: #64 reine.de.tout

Hah! That's Canadian high technology, don't you know.

70 locutus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:30:47am

In the words of Gen. Berringer of NORAD, after being informed that the WOPR hadn't stood down:

Just unplug the &^#$ thing!

71 Hucbald  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:33:54am

"...if and when they start doing more than simply probing defenses."

There is no, "if."

72 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:36:23am

re: #70 locutus

In the words of Gen. Berringer of NORAD, after being informed that the WOPR hadn't stood down:

I prefer, "I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help."

73 Perplexed  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:36:55am

Too bad we can't turn the bots back on them.

74 irongrampa  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:38:48am

Logic says (to me) that if one is aware of a problem of this magnitude, then counters are enabled. Cynicism says no, this IS the gov't, after all.

Or are we hearing this as a runup to the gov't assuming control, in the form of protection?
Or is that being paranoid?

75 locutus  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:39:02am

re: #72 calcajun

I prefer, "I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help."

Ha, my second-favorite quote from that movie.

76 Burl  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:44:01am

Chinese bots crashing the electrical grid.
Obama coming for my firearms.
The next two years sound like loads of fun...

Guess I better brush up on my bow staff skills
and start stockpiling firewood.

77 sambo the lightning  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:44:43am

re: #66 JohnSteele

Won't do. It doesn't have to be coming from China as such. A compromised system (i.e., a bot) in any other country will happily act as a relay.

78 see bs  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:46:21am

Can we bot back? Lousy Commie Bastards

79 Lightspeed  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:47:11am

Why in the world do these systems need to be connected to the Internet? They should be completely isolated from the outside world and only connected to each other. Next we are going to find out that the computers that control ICBM missle launches are not only hooked up to the Internet, but being used as chat servers for AOL. Sheesh. ISOLATE THE SERVERS. This is not rocket science.

80 mockery jones  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:48:16am

all in all i'm hoping that it is just the chinese establishment doing this. at least the government of china has some idea of the consequences of an all out e-war.

the really scary ideas are that this is all private enterprise being served out of china but originated by some 14 yea old russian hacking prodigies with no sense of the consequences that could result from compromising (or even appearing to compromise) sensitive systems

81 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:49:27am

On a related note: the Conficker worm activated today and started doing...something. No one's sure just what yet; the data it's transferring is heavily encrypted. Suspicion is strong that it's a keyboard logger of some sort.

It appears that it will deactivate itself on May 7; whatever purpose is driving it will have been accomplished by then.

82 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:49:46am

re: #9 calcajun

May not have much choice. The own the mortgage on the country. Day may come when we give them the keys and registration to some of our carriers as part of a debt-consolidation loan. (shudder)

"Call us! You don't have to go into bankruptcy!"

- the chinese

83 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #81 SixDegrees

On a related note: the Conficker worm activated today and started doing...something. No one's sure just what yet; the data it's transferring is heavily encrypted. Suspicion is strong that it's a keyboard logger of some sort.

It appears that it will deactivate itself on May 7; whatever purpose is driving it will have been accomplished by then.

Stealing all the recipes for the second LGF Cookbook? Bastards!

84 directorblue  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:51:14am

Look at Palo Alto's "next-generation firewall".

You can restrict access by application, country of origin, and a variety of other criteria. I think the founder of Checkpoint is behind the company.

85 Skinless Frank  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:53:54am

National security alert! Chinese bots are farming items and gold in World of Warcraft and Guild Wars!

86 Athos  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:54:43am

This type of action is not new from China. I recall having challenges and being aware of federal investigations being underway as bots and probes from China were targeting financial services companies and attempting to infiltrate / compromise their internal networks back in 2000-2.

With China, much of the traffic at that time could be traced back to PLA installations and universities - which were likely acting under PLA authority. So the question has to be asked - at what point do these actions constitute an act of war? An act of terrorism for non-state entities?

87 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 9:58:10am

re: #37 Ford_Prefect

Is this really a surprise? I mean don't they build most of our computers?

Ford_Prefect -

Was thinking the same thing - both my laptop (Acer) and desktop (eMachines) are assembled in China. Suspect we are doing the same to them as well, and IF NOT - WHY NOT?

-S-

88 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:00:12am
89 Right mind left  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:07:21am

Sorry to be late to this thread, but ... it seems to me to be a convenient time to have the MSM hyperventilating about this issue - will make it a whole lot easier to pass the cybersecurity legislation that is sitting in congress right now that gives the master power controls to the executive branch, a cyber-czar that can take down what they think are "critical" private and government systems on the internet (like major web servers) based on what they perceive or generate as a national security crisis.

Timing is everything on this folks. Watch the lawmakers and the changes being made to your constitution...

90 calcajun  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #89 Right mind left

You're not late. Everyone is over on the Bristol Palin thread. Charles turned control of the site over to Dr. Phil for the day.///

91 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:22:47am

I would suggest that we stock up on the three precious metals: gold, silver and lead.

92 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:24:24am

CERT's been following this for years: [Link: www.cert.org...]

93 Land Shark  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:26:11am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Given the apologize first, ask to apologize later attitude of our current mis-administration, I say we'll probably just apologize some more. Obama and Hilary will just apologize for whatever we did to deserve the hostile act.

94 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:28:27am

All kidding aside, my network is under constant pressure from malicious probes and illegal access attempts, almost always from China. I needed to devise a defense in depth for my networks. It includes firewalls, host based security and access restrictions, and user education. It kind of reminds me of trying to seal a large container and bringing it deeper and deeper into a body of water. The water is trying to leak into the container and the deeper one goes the more leaks.

95 Right mind left  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #90 calcajun

You're not late. Everyone is over on the Bristol Palin thread. Charles turned control of the site over to Dr. Phil for the day.///

Yep, stir up the distractions (hey we know what will rile everyone up about Palin so they don't listen to her brilliance on the North Korea issue) - make end runs on the "plan" while nobody is looking!

96 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:35:19am

re: #4 Sharmuta

I blame Bill Gates. Or George Bush. Maybe both. And Nixon.

I blame Al Gore since he created the internet as well as Global Warming. Can we buy motherboard carbon credits from Al's company? :-)

97 jvic  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:37:20am

Like others have said, I hope we're doing the same to the Chinese.
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Once upon a time arrogant fools were telling me that Asians couldn't do research or write code because their culture is not creative. They're so rigid that all they can do is copy us blah blah blah...

At least the threat is now obvious and there's no excuse for denial. Cold comfort is better than no comfort.

98 Right mind left  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:38:14am

re: #94 StillAMarine

All kidding aside, my network is under constant pressure from malicious probes and illegal access attempts, almost always from China. I needed to devise a defense in depth for my networks. It includes firewalls, host based security and access restrictions, and user education. It kind of reminds me of trying to seal a large container and bringing it deeper and deeper into a body of water. The water is trying to leak into the container and the deeper one goes the more leaks.

The problem is absolutely there, no doubt. It has been going on for quite some time, surveillance in all facets of life we don't even consider. Knowledge is power and the motivations are not entirely clear.

The issue I have with all this hoopla right now is how it is being raised by the MSM and the coincidence with the legislation pending in congress that gives the executive branch sweeping powers in yet another facet of our way of life, that they could choose to abuse.

Charles also mentioned problems with his blog systems and has upgraded to control the intrusions - if you need tips I figure you know already he is one of those "go to" guys!

99 bolivar  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 10:42:49am

re: #85 Skinless Frank

National security alert! Chinese bots are farming items and gold in World of Warcraft and Guild Wars!

This is a fact. My son is heavily into a successful guild and they have had all their gold and weapons stolen at least 3 times. They get them back but the chicom bastards hack into their accounts and sell the crap. It truly sucks - is that all chicoms are good for? They surely cannot make quality goods - just junk and as for food - if I see China on the label it goes back on the shelf.

100 LEADpaint  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:04:42am

Do not trust the pusher robot.
http://www.youtube.com
He is malfunctioning.

101 OtherBrotherDarrell  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:14:39am

Well I, for one, Welcome our new Skynet overlords as long as I am brutally killed last.

102 OtherBrotherDarrell  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:18:24am

"I apologize for nothing!" - Hedonismbot

103 voirdire  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:37:11am

What about the Maxthon browser? I always wanted toEXPLOSION . . .

104 Macker  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:44:31am

re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint

Never has a sitting President openly blamed his predecessor like this. Also notice that Cheney is responding. This too is not usual. When all these huge problems heat up, and they will, and folks are lookin' to do a hangin'. They'll start hearing this former VP. I believe American's likes Cheney.

And what would the el cubos do if Cheney actually decided to run in 2012?

105 Macker  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 11:46:03am

re: #2 saberry0530

KILL THE BOTS!

Q.E.D.

106 rhino2  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 12:08:39pm

We need to recover the CIP device stat!

/

107 MrMisanthrope  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #89 Right mind left

Sorry to be late to this thread, but ... it seems to me to be a convenient time to have the MSM hyperventilating about this issue - will make it a whole lot easier to pass the cybersecurity legislation that is sitting in congress right now that gives the master power controls to the executive branch, a cyber-czar that can take down what they think are "critical" private and government systems on the internet (like major web servers) based on what they perceive or generate as a national security crisis.

Timing is everything on this folks. Watch the lawmakers and the changes being made to your constitution...

Yep... don't forget the "Big One" that was being talked about over on Network World/Info World:

[Link: www.networkworld.com...]
[Link: www.infoworld.com...]

All your dataBase belong to us...

108 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:32:38pm

Quick! Somebody get Barry on a plane for China so he can apologize in person!

109 grumpy old codger  Thu, Apr 9, 2009 4:50:41pm

Gee, I'm beginning to miss the good old days, as in the Charles Bronson movie, "Telephon". I mean, back then, you worried about people. Now, can you trust your machine?
"I'M, Sorry, Hal..."

110 Cato  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:39am

One of my partners in my China business owns the largest call center in the country. It is located at a communications switching complex. You should see the number of Chinese troops around there!

111 Sacred Plants  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:44pm

Coming soon... the internet theme park for straying bots... full of appearently unprotected hosts, open loopholes, and security breaches, and virtual mud the malicious bots can get stuck in... will respond to unsuspecting bots like a real prey computer only that it will test their patience by thwarting the connection... consisting of an unclear number of tarpits on a large number of computers protected by distributed friction type firewall software.


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