Paulians Briefly Link to LGF, Quickly Delete Evidence

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Here’s a charming little thread posted tonight at the Ron Paul Forums, but quickly deleted when they realized I would trace the referrals back to them, titled: LGF: Tea Party Coopted by Paulians.

Prompted by this LGF post, pointing out the Ron Paulians have infiltrated the Pensacola Tea Party.

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LGF is essentially an arm of AIPAC. I didn’t read the site, but I suspect the comments contain references to Stormfront, Christianity, evolution, and John Birch. Let them stay home. They are exactly what’s wrong with the party. They’re close-minded war mongers, with loyalties that lie outside of America’s best interests.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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535 comments
1 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:47:23pm

Speaking of the vast zionist conspiracy, where is my check?
/

2 mikalm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:48:00pm

Ah, the wonders of the Web. Now, anyone can play Big Brother with their own personal Memory Hole!

3 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:48:05pm

Where's the poll?

4 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:48:25pm

I don't feel "close-minded."

5 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:49:34pm

Just another close minded war monger! Woot!

6 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:50:19pm

They've discovered the Zogness! Oh noes!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

7 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:50:23pm

Paultards, like zombies.

They creep along, undead, thinking they still have something left in this world.

8 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:02pm

Building 7, UFOs, AIPAC, the Jooos and my mothers basement!

Ron Paulians

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9 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:07pm

wow...I'm outside America's interests...let me in!

10 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:25pm

Gee, they don't like LGF and linking to it.

/is this a surprise?

11 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:29pm

It's like I told my 0-bot pseudo brother-in-law....Ron Paul is the worst of both worlds for me; all the foreign policy decisions with the left brought to you by a crusty old paleocon....

For once we were in 100% agreement.

12 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:40pm

Sorry to go OT - especially with a re-post from the last thread but:
Hey y'all - wow, we had horrendous Thunderstorms, hail the size of golf balls and Tornadoes most of the late afternoon and although the weather service says danger of tornadoes has passed it's still raining like crazy.
And I'm confused by this video - last time I saw Ry he was a)older and b) somewhat, uh, heavier!
I don't get it - I first heard of Ry Cooder when he did the incredible background music for a really poor film about the National Guard down in Louisiana and I know that was in the 1980's some time. How come I'm a lot older looking now that Ry is?!

13 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:54pm
with loyalties that lie outside of America's best interests

-some paulian

No, I think what lies outside of America's best interest is to fan the flames of revolution with a desire to destroy the Constitution in an effort to re-establish it. It is madness to seek to destroy what you already have to somehow make it pure. Like amputating your hand to deal with a paper cut. People who want to correct the current flaws in our system of government, who claim to love the Constitution, would work under the constraints of the Constitution to solve problems, not undermine it like these people do with their unrest fantasies. They seek to shatter our national contract to re-establish a fantasy. Fuck them.

14 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:51:57pm

re: #7 Egregious Philbin

That's insulting to zombies everywhere.

15 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:12pm

Exactly which one/s of you are the losers they speak of? Come on..Fess up.

16 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:27pm

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

17 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:28pm

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

18 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:35pm

These tea parties are looking more and more like RightWing Freak Conventions. I am guessing that these will be highlighted by the MSM as proof that the Republicans are insane. The attendees will be displayed as "mainstream" and "everyday" Republican voters. Unlike the leftist displays of idiocy, which are usually downplayed or explained away. Whatever the organizers are hoping to accomplish will be overshadowed by all the extremists in their midst. Good job guys!

19 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:51pm
LGF is essentially an arm of AIPAC. I didn’t read the site, but I suspect the comments contain references to Stormfront, Christianity, evolution, and John Birch

LGF isn't a sub-set of anything else. It is it's own vehicle. And you probably can't read.

They’re close-minded war mongers, with loyalties that lie outside of America’s best interests

Who died and made you the keeper of American interests.

20 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #15 kahall

Exactly which one/s of you are the losers they speak of? Come on..Fess up.

It's me.

21 MacGregor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:52:56pm

I didn’t read the site, but I suspect the comments contain references to Stormfront, Christianity, evolution, and John Birch. Let them stay home. They are am exactly what’s wrong with the party.

fixed that

22 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:53:03pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

Tell us how you really feel. :)

23 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:53:17pm

re: #15 kahall

Exactly which one/s of you are the losers they speak of? Come on..Fess up.

* * * *
I have AIPAC contacts! Muahaha

24 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:53:27pm

re: #1 Thanos

Speaking of the vast zionist conspiracy, where is my check?
/

We're getting paid by Direct Deposit now. I sent you the memo, did you get it?

/

25 rain of lead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:53:40pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

"hey!" that's an insult to cocksuckers.

26 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:53:57pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

Why don't you say what you feel?

/

27 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:54:04pm

re: #12 realwest

Sorry to go OT - especially with a re-post from the last thread but:
Hey y'all - wow, we had horrendous Thunderstorms, hail the size of golf balls and Tornadoes most of the late afternoon and although the weather service says danger of tornadoes has passed it's still raining like crazy.
And I'm confused by this video - last time I saw Ry he was a)older and b) somewhat, uh, heavier!
I don't get it - I first heard of Ry Cooder when he did the incredible background music for a really poor film about the National Guard down in Louisiana and I know that was in the 1980's some time. How come I'm a lot older looking now that Ry is?!

your not....Ry has put on a few years too

28 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

We're getting paid by Direct Deposit now. I sent you the memo, did you get it?

/

That account is doing way better than my 401k now.

29 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:54:25pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

Why don't you ponder the post I posted to you earlier tonight?

30 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:54:31pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

You can always count on Mandy to beat around the bush forevah.

31 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:54:47pm

re: #23 alegrias

* * * *
I have AIPAC contacts! Muahaha

Hey, did you get your check yet? I'm still waiting for mine. I don't mind working for AIPCA but damn it sure takes them a long time to get the checks out.

32 DeathtotheSwiss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:55:08pm

The internet is getting creepier and creepier.

33 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #15 kahall

Exactly which one/s of you are the losers they speak of? Come on..Fess up.

I'm One.

Youtube Video
34 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:56:45pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

Because Ron Paul and his nutcase followers are fucking up what could have been a good counter to Obama.

If I'm swearing about it, you know I'm mad.

35 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:57:05pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

I don't think, maybe I missed it, I've seen any actual hatred. Most here just think his supporters are a tad off. Ok, more than a tad but still.

36 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:57:06pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

37 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:05pm

How many times will "sheeple" be uttered by the Paulistas?

(ironic in that they all use the same word?)

38 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:06pm

re: #33 jaunte

Cool!

39 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:16pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Tell us how you really feel Mandy.

40 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:21pm

Ron Paul does not dig Ry Cooder...chew on that

41 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:50pm

re: #18 Desert Dog

That is exactly what we should all want.
I want a freak show.
I want all parts of the right verbally brawling with each other.
We all don't agree.
We all really don't like each other.
We all have our own views.
but
We all believe we need to return to our constitutional principals.
We all believe in individualism and the power that comes from it.
That scares the shit out of the left more than anything.
They cant control it.
We are not mind numbed groupthinktards.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE!

42 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:56pm

re: #18 Desert Dog

These tea parties are looking more and more like RightWing Freak Conventions. I am guessing that these will be highlighted by the MSM as proof that the Republicans are insane. The attendees will be displayed as "mainstream" and "everyday" Republican voters. Unlike the leftist displays of idiocy, which are usually downplayed or explained away. Whatever the organizers are hoping to accomplish will be overshadowed by all the extremists in their midst. Good job guys!

From my post on the Pensacola Tea Party thread...

Let me try this again.

So where would we have this energy directed?
I have no problem with attending the tea party nearest me and distributing handouts, but what would you all recommend that they say?
Who should people contact? (other than their elected officials; I plan to include those addresses, emails, phones & faxes)
Groups?
Websites?
Books?

We're going to have a slew of people who are unhappy with the present administration/government gathered in specific places and instead of providing them with useful information and recommendations, we're simply going to cede them to the kooks?

I can do this on my own, but you're the smartest, most politically aware and savvy group I know; I was hoping for a little assistance here.

43 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:58:59pm

re: #18 Desert Dog
Hey my friend, sorry but this is a repost from the Glenn Beck Tea Party thread - it was written to zombie, but I'd like your take on it:

Regrettably when the people assemble freely, you are inevitably gonna get some real whackos in the crowd. And THAT is what the MSM will cover and make a big deal out of - not what the majority of folks come to say and hear.
Unless, of course, it's a LEFTIST assembly of people (which, for anarchists is obviously necessary; they aren't going to organize anything!) where you will hear at least 10 times as many horrible things. But the MSM will not cover it or will only cover it to show the "police brutality" that was used to control them or a confrontation between whatever Leftist groups are protesting and counter-protesters.
Hearing this "burn the books" crap makes me nauseous and brings my admittedly always on a low boil anger level to a high boil.
But then what do the "right" people do zom? Do we give up our rights to peacefully assemble and have a public discourse (and yes, sometimes a public discourse is shouting back and forth)? How do we keep the weirdos (our version, if you will, of the anarchists) out of the demonstration?
And frankly I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that some folks have been planted in attendance to yell things like burn the books or worse.
I DO hate the fact that people yell things like "burn the books" or even worse, but I just don't know how to avail ourselves of our constitutionally granted freedom of assembly. Shout them down - absolutely, but I suspect many clear thinking individuals are or have been so shocked that someone would say such a thing that they don't have the reflexes to respond before some other nutter joins the fray followed by his or her fellow nutters.
I wish I had an answer to this because the Vietnam War showed that LARGE demonstrations - when covered by the MSM in a fair manner - CAN have an impact on governmental policy.
Shit.


Thanks DD!

44 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:59:23pm

re: #36 Charles

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

Well yes....but

Why all this Ron Paul Hate?

/

45 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:59:24pm

re: #40 albusteve

Ron Paul does not dig Ry Cooder...chew on that

You mean DOCTOR Ron Paul. Because don't forget every time they mention Ron Paul it's DOCTOR Ron Paul.

Sproink.

46 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

I have a question for you, why do you like Ron Paul?

47 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:59:47pm

re: #41 burntjohn

That is exactly what we should all want.
I want a freak show.
I want all parts of the right verbally brawling with each other.
We all don't agree.
We all really don't like each other.
We all have our own views.
but
We all believe we need to return to our constitutional principals.
We all believe in individualism and the power that comes from it.
That scares the shit out of the left more than anything.
They cant control it.
We are not mind numbed groupthinktards.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE!

are you an MC?

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:59:51pm

I think I still have the window open. I can send a screen shot if you'd like. How do you take a proper screen shot with Fire Fox?

49 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:15pm

re: #41 burntjohn

That is exactly what we should all want.
I want a freak show.
I want all parts of the right verbally brawling with each other.
We all don't agree.
We all really don't like each other.
We all have our own views.
but
We all believe we need to return to our constitutional principals.
We all believe in individualism and the power that comes from it.
That scares the shit out of the left more than anything.
They cant control it.
We are not mind numbed groupthinktards.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE!

When you say Constitution please define. Are you talking about pre Bill of Rights?

50 DeathtotheSwiss  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:18pm

re: #36 Charles

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

Surely you could be more clear than that?

51 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:26pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

Because he wants to ruin this country. He's a damned anarchist, and if you don't think so, what do you think his policies would do to this country? He doesn't give a damn about the repercussions of his agenda and how it would seriously shatter the functioning of our society. He's the kind of doctor that would cut off your foot because you stubbed your toe.

52 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:27pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Mandy
Completely missed it.
Sorry.
Please refresh my memory.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:33pm

re: #1 Thanos

Speaking of the vast zionist conspiracy, where is my check?
/

Look, Irv is BUSY. The second seder was last night. Tonight's Shabbos. He'll get it to you...maybe Tuesday at the latest.

/

54 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:52pm

re: #47 albusteve

Steve, check my link above. Just for you.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:00:56pm

re: #4 sngnsgt

I don't feel "close-minded."

Closed minded people never do.

56 Fenboy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:01:23pm

re: #41 burntjohn

Its not that which will be reported, but the woman who showed up and wanted to burn books.

57 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:01:25pm

re: #47 albusteve

No, i'm john, nice to meet you.

58 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:01:55pm

re: #36 Charles

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

Is THAT all?
/very heavy!
Seriously I didn't know Ron Paul himself was a racist, though obviously a lot of his followers are. Wonder why that didn't come out in the primaries (or maybe it did and - because it was Ron Paul - I wasn't paying attention!).

59 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:01:56pm

'closed minded war-monger'?

That hurts.

I'm open-minded. I just don't have any extra holes in my head.

60 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:07pm

Ah, f#$ them, this was supposed to be anti-trillion dollar debt sort of thing! Now its a kook-fest, fuck! Guess how the MSM is going to portray this, shocker...

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:08pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I think I still have the window open. I can send a screen shot if you'd like. How do you take a proper screen shot with Fire Fox?

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

62 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:21pm

re: #49 Gus 802

When you say Constitution please define. Are you talking about pre Bill of Rights?

Upding for preciseness.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:51pm

re: #45 Gus 802

You mean DOCTOR Ron Paul. Because don't forget every time they mention Ron Paul it's DOCTOR Ron Paul.

Sproink.

"I did not go to five years of Evil Medical School to be called 'Mr. Evil'."

64 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:51pm

re: #61 Charles

Alt+Prt Scr ->Paste in Paint.

65 MacGregor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:02:59pm

ctrl + prtscr

66 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

CTRL Print Screen key, copies it to clipboard.

67 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #49 Gus 802

No, I'm talking about the one that exists now.
The one that barely applies any longer.

68 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:03:19pm

re: #36 Charles

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

Not only that but Paulians are also extending hands to left wing haters. If you follow the friends lists you can end up at an anarcho communist site as easy as stormfront. They could give a shit about the Republican party. Fuck 'em

69 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:03:24pm

re: #42 Killer Tomato


I have no problem with attending the tea party nearest me and distributing handouts, but what would you all recommend that they say?
Who should people contact? (other than their elected officials; I plan to include those addresses, emails, phones & faxes)
Groups?
Websites?
Books?

Sharmuta has been suggesting that everyone who read these threads should also read Barry Goldwater's The Conscience of a Conservative, and A Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell. That's a very good place for a handbill to start.

70 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:03:50pm

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

Print screen and paste clipboard into word or mail

71 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:00pm

re: #69 jaunte

Sharmuta has been suggesting that everyone who read these threads should also read Barry Goldwater's The Conscience of a Conservative, and A Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell. That's a very good place for a handbill to start.

Thanks.

72 MacGregor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:05pm

re: #65 MacGregor

oops - 64 is correct

73 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

There's a "prt sc." button on the keyboard. Mine's under insert, though my it's my laptop.

74 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:19pm

LGF is essentially an arm of AIPAC. I didn’t read the site, but I suspect the comments contain references to Stormfront, Christianity, evolution, and John Birch

Yep, those are typical AIPAC subjects, day after day after day....

75 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #54 WhiteRasta

Steve, check my link above. Just for you.

where?...I'm stupid

76 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:46pm

re: #69 jaunte

THANK YOU

77 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:04:50pm

This really works - I tried it!

Who is your best friend? Not sure? Try this experiment - put your dog and your spouse in the trunk of your car. Wait an hour. Pop the trunk and see who is really happy to see you.

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

'ALt + Print Screen' then paste into an email.

78 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:03pm

re: #41 burntjohn

Did you get your questions answered? (Because you didn't answer mine).

79 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:35pm

re: #57 burntjohn

No, i'm john, nice to meet you.

you have that revival tent spirit

80 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:44pm

PIFW

81 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:45pm

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

Hit the PRTSC/ SYSRQ button, then open word pad and right click, PASTE

82 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:54pm

re: #41 burntjohn

Freak shows are never a good idea, John. They look very bad on TV and the MSM will use them to make normal people fear us. Normal people may enjoy watching a freak show, but they don't actually want the freaks in charge of anything.

83 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:05:59pm

re: #49 Gus 802 Hey Gus! Uh, minor point here, but the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments to the Consitution) were adopted by all of the States at the same time they all finally approved the Constitution - without it, some states wouldn't have approved the Constitution!

84 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:06:34pm

re: #41 burntjohn


I want a freak show.

Then Ron Paul and his basement-patriots are the crowd for you.

85 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:06:36pm

re: #76 Killer Tomato

You might have to summarize a few of the key points for people who 'don't want to read two whole books', but it would make a good subject for a handbill.

86 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

You do realize who's in the White House right now?

87 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:06:54pm

re: #67 burntjohn

No, I'm talking about the one that exists now.
The one that barely applies any longer.

That would be more appropriate but there are some that want a pure Constitutional interpretation going back before the days of the Bill of Rights and the Marshal Court. Many aspects of American society have evolved since the inception of the Constitution that required legal interpretation. Many laws are based on Supreme Court rulings that can't be reversed without exposing America to legal anarchy.

88 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:07:01pm

re: #75 albusteve

spinoff links

89 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:07:35pm

re: #83 realwest

Hey Gus! Uh, minor point here, but the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments to the Consitution) were adopted by all of the States at the same time they all finally approved the Constitution - without it, some states wouldn't have approved the Constitution!

Yeah, but I mean a purist interpretation.

I'm not an expert so I'll take your advice.

90 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:07:52pm

re: #70 Thanos

I can save it as an XPS file that way but I can't open it again so I don't know if it save properly.

91 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:08:27pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Freak shows are never a good idea, John. They look very bad on TV and the MSM will use them to make normal people fear us. Normal people may enjoy watching a freak show, but they don't actually want the freaks in charge of anything.

Problem is the MSM will SEEK OUT these sort of people and stories, and keep conservatives busy putting out these little fires.

92 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:08:38pm

re: #56 Fenboy Y'all got that one spot on.

93 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:08:42pm

The Israelites.... Desmond Dekker and the aces.........

Youtube Video
94 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:08:52pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I can save it as an XPS file that way but I can't open it again so I don't know if it save properly.

Can you save it as .rtf or .txt?

95 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:08:59pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I can save it as an XPS file that way but I can't open it again so I don't know if it save properly.

You can also do a "save as."

96 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:09:15pm

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

You do realize who's in the White House right now?

Yes, I do. Sadly, there are too many people who think like Obama for him to be a freak. Unlike sanity, freakishness is partially statistical.

97 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:01pm

I guess I'll have to google AIPAC to see what their point is... *googling* ...oh, some pro-Israel lobbying group. I'm not pro-Israel nor anti-Israel, per se. I am pro-right and anti-wrong.

As for Paulians, Constitutional Party people and libertarians—they usually sound good to begin with. Just about the time I start to think they are really brilliant, they keep talking and I realize they are insane.

98 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:05pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I can save it as an XPS file that way but I can't open it again so I don't know if it save properly.

Open word, go to the web page, hit your prt scr button, go back to word, put the cursor focus at the top of the blank doc, then press "ctrl-V" , should paste the print screen capture into word.

99 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:19pm

re: #83 realwest

Hey Gus! Uh, minor point here, but the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments to the Consitution) were adopted by all of the States at the same time they all finally approved the Constitution - without it, some states wouldn't have approved the Constitution!

You mean proposed. The Bill of Rights was ratified after the last State ratified the Constitution. Rhode Island was that state in 1790. The Bill of Rights was ratified the next year.

100 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:28pm

Don't get Tea-bagged at the Tea party.

101 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:38pm

re: #94 Wishing

XPS is my only option.

102 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:10:46pm

Here's one for Iowahawk.
Crazy 'Bout An Automobile

Youtube Video
103 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:11:02pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Problem is the MSM will SEEK OUT these sort of people and stories, and keep conservatives busy putting out these little fires.

That's just what we have to deal with. You're right, but it's not a problem we can fundamentally solve.

104 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:11:36pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Don't try to save it, paste it into email or word. Prt scr, then paste it somewhere. If you have photoshop you should be able to paste into it as well.

105 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:11:54pm

Seems like some folks wanna be cute or sarcastic.
This is the last stop folks.
Theres nowhere to run to.
We may survive, but at the expense of completely effing our children and grandchildren.
Barely %50 BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM
A majority believe first amendment rights go too far.
Forget about the second ammendment, if the left gains a super majority like in the 30's that thing is gone.
After that the rest wont make a squat of difference.
We will be doing the Obama bow to our masters

106 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:11:55pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I do. Sadly, there are too many people who think like Obama for him to be a freak. Unlike sanity, freakishness is partially statistical.

When everyone is insane, the insane is normal and the sane is abnormal....who knew?

107 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:12:21pm

re: #104 Thanos

Don't try to save it, paste it into email or word. Prt scr, then paste it somewhere. If you have photoshop you should be able to paste into it as well.

Should work in Paint too? I use Photoshop though.

108 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:12:43pm

re: #107 Gus 802

Should work in Paint too? I use Photoshop though.

Yes, should work for paint as well

109 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:12:56pm

re: #95 Gus 802

That saves the text but none of the graphics.

110 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:23pm

re: #88 WhiteRasta

spinoff links

ya mon...tis me...ha!

111 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:30pm

"They’re close-minded war mongers, with loyalties that lie outside of America’s best interests."

What do you know. That's exactly what I was just thinking about myself.

/what an odd coincidence

112 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:36pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

XPS is my only option.

Ok, open the document, go to File, SAVE AS...select .txt

113 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:42pm

re: #105 burntjohn

The way to correct this is not to completely upend our civilization. Work within the constraints of the Constitution to roll back the socialism, don't destroy it.

The enemies of the Constitution, in all their guises, are my enemy.

114 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:48pm

re: #85 jaunte

You might have to summarize a few of the key points for people who 'don't want to read two whole books', but it would make a good subject for a handbill.

Good idea.
I was planning for a small intro, how to reach the appropriate elected officials, and some suggested books, websites, info on the local GOP people/offices, that kind of thing. Steer them away from the nuts.
I hate the idea of wasting the momentum and numbers - may as well take advantage.

115 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:13:48pm

re: #105 burntjohn

Seems like some folks wanna be cute or sarcastic.
This is the last stop folks.
Theres nowhere to run to.
We may survive, but at the expense of completely effing our children and grandchildren.
Barely %50 BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM
A majority believe first amendment rights go too far.
Forget about the second ammendment, if the left gains a super majority like in the 30's that thing is gone.
After that the rest wont make a squat of difference.
We will be doing the Obama bow to our masters

So, Burntjohn, you are saying that you will modify your morals and possibly hang around with racists and nut cases, because you see no other options.

Have I got that straight?

116 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:14:00pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

That saves the text but none of the graphics.

It should save everything. I've done many times but you never know with some systems it may not.

Try print screen and paste in Paint. Should work. Just tested it.

117 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:14:27pm

re: #89 Gus 802 For a purist explanation, just read it. Where it says "Congress shall make NO laws......" it and the Madison/Jefferson group meant that. No laws abridging the freedom of the press, assembly, religion, speech.
No laws at all.
That is indeed what the Bill of Rights says and it shouldn't be "interpreted" by SCOTUS or anyone else to say "except for laws relating to......".

118 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:14:34pm

So, why all are the tea parties tainted cause a kook in Pensacola is sponsoring the event?

Is there no positive reaction from these civil events?

119 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:14:36pm

re: #105 burntjohn

A majority believe first amendment rights go too far.

A majority of Creationists do that's for sure.

120 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:15:02pm

re: #93 WhiteRasta

The Israelites.... Desmond Dekker and the aces.........


[Video]

I used to listen to that when I was a kid!...I had no clue...nice catch

121 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:15:02pm

KT: you might have to hit "shift-prt scrn" on some keyboards the prt scr button doubles as "sys req" when unshifted

122 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:15:52pm

re: #114 Killer Tomato

You might take the back to print some pull-quotes, and ask people if they would not agree with the statements, as a way of establishing some common principles.

123 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:15:54pm

re: #119 Mich-again

+1776

124 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:15:56pm

re: #105 burntjohn

Seems like some folks wanna be cute or sarcastic.
This is the last stop folks.
Theres nowhere to run to.
We may survive, but at the expense of completely effing our children and grandchildren.
Barely %50 BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM
A majority believe first amendment rights go too far.
Forget about the second ammendment, if the left gains a super majority like in the 30's that thing is gone.
After that the rest wont make a squat of difference.
We will be doing the Obama bow to our masters

John, we won't be able to prevent the outcome you fear if we don't fight smart. Fighting smart involves unity and message discipline. An organized popular movement can win, a rag-tag freak show will be blown away by BHO and his MSM allies.

125 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:16:07pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

So, why all are the tea parties tainted cause a kook in Pensacola is sponsoring the event?

Is there no positive reaction from these civil events?

I am afraid he isn't the only kook running these events.
I am afraid they are starting to get a death-grip.

126 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:16:10pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

So, why all are the tea parties tainted cause a kook in Pensacola is sponsoring the event?

Is there no positive reaction from these civil events?

Really, we may not know until after they happen. If the visible ones keep the crazies out of view and sound reasonable, then maybe there's a chance.

127 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:16:52pm

re: #105 burntjohn

Who's this "we" John? You have a mouse in your pocket?

128 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:16:55pm

re: #108 Thanos

It doesn't work with photoshop for me.

129 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:17:02pm

re: #36 Charles

Hey Charles.
Did ya read Obamas book.
He aint to fond of white people.
Theres a whole lotta hate there.
Did not stop him from getting elected.

I'm not necessarily a RP supporter, but I have never seen any outward hate come from him.

130 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:17:06pm

re: #117 realwest

For a purist explanation, just read it. Where it says "Congress shall make NO laws......" it and the Madison/Jefferson group meant that. No laws abridging the freedom of the press, assembly, religion, speech.
No laws at all.
That is indeed what the Bill of Rights says and it shouldn't be "interpreted" by SCOTUS or anyone else to say "except for laws relating to......".

Roger. I still think it needs to be interpreted by SCOTUS for laws relating to or expanding therein. As for Congress not making laws that's something I can live with.

I'm going to bow out of that conversation. I don't have the technical background.

131 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:18:07pm

I'll be damned.

I'm a droll, skimming, confessor, handyman with hopes of fooling people into believeing that I'm a mystery genius.

As long as I know which pigeon-hole to crawl into, it's all good.

132 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:18:23pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

Is there no positive reaction from these civil events?

They have good intentions but the nutjobs always have a way of grabbing the attention and the microphones and making everyone there look like kooks.

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:18:23pm

re: #121 Thanos

KT: you might have to hit "shift-prt scrn" on some keyboards the prt scr button doubles as "sys req" when unshifted

shift print screen does nothing.

134 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:18:30pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I just did it here KT, dunno what to tell ya? Shift prt screen should capture the page to clipboard as an image, in photoshop editor you should be able to select "new" under the file menu and paste it right in, correct size and all.

135 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:18:59pm

Right now, there are over 600 tea parties planned for the 15th link

136 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:19:15pm

So, everyone going to the tea party is a kook? I was going to travel down to Bakersfield to be in one of these events. Now, I am not sure, HH would say otherwise. Just because Pensacola is F'd up doesn't mean the whole movement is F'd up...

137 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:19:16pm

"Resident Jew" - dubblyew tee eff?

138 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:19:55pm

re: #134 Thanos

It doesn't work in paint for me. I had to paste the screen print into a word or excel document.

139 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:05pm

re: #122 jaunte

You might take the back to print some pull-quotes, and ask people if they would not agree with the statements, as a way of establishing some common principles.

Excellent idea. Thanks so much for your input on this. The tea party nearest me will probably be fairly small - I expect a few hundred people, but it's an opportunity to at least get some information out to people who might be receptive.

140 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

So, why all are the tea parties tainted cause a kook in Pensacola is sponsoring the event?

Is there no positive reaction from these civil events?

No, not all of them. But too many of them have been corrupted for them to be usable for conservative organizing. Once a non-liberal organization becomes infected with crazies, we cannot make public use of it. If we do, the MSM will use said nuts to get the public to think we're nuts. I hate it, but those are the rules of the game. Plus, I just don't want to attend events that can contain the kind of nuts at these Tea Parties.

141 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:14pm

re: #36 Charles

Oh ... I don't know. Maybe because Ron Paul is a serious racist kook, tied to the John Birch Society and every other paleo-right Neanderthal organization, and his followers are completely insane?

Ya think?

I think I stumbled upon a mother lode of crazy. Google 'synagogue of satan' and the first link is from an "antichristconspiracy" site that is rife with Jew hatred of all sorts: 9-11 was a Zionist conspiracy, the Talmud proves Jewish racism, and of course the John Birch Society is a front for the Zionist conspiracy.

I guess that's the standard slam among fringe freaks: discredit rival fringe freak groups by accusing them of being in league with the Zionists. Comforting to know we're hated on the extremes of Left AND Right. I guess that makes us equal opportunity scapegoats.

142 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

shift print screen does nothing.

Killgore, you won't see anything happen when you "shift/print screen" but the computer will copy the screen to the clipboard.

The go to Paint, or Word or Publisher, what ever kind of document software you have, open a NEW document and hit CTRL/V which will paste the clip board on to the docutment.

Then save the document.

143 Bagua  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:31pm

re: #61 Charles

Yes, please do. Anyone know how to do the Windows screen shot thing?

I use "Snagit" from techsmith.com numerous times a day for several years, with it you can snag a part or whole of any window, it then opens in a preview viewer where you can edit it, copy to clipboard, resize, email and so on.

For example, if I'm sending someone an email on how to run a program and I want them to click the "whatever" button, I'll snag a picture of the little button, copy to clipboard and past it in the email or document.

144 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:47pm

re: #138 Mich-again

It doesn't work in paint for me. I had to paste the screen print into a word or excel document.

Ok good, paste it to Word, then go to File, then Save As, then select .txt or .rtf

145 Scion9  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:53pm
I didn’t read the site, but...

I did not read Pasternak, but I do condemn him.

146 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:05pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

shift print screen does nothing.

Should work. THere are some free screen capture programs out there and you can try setting a "hot" key for it. Then it saves the images automatically.

147 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:22pm

re: #139 Killer Tomato

Get them to read The Conscience of a Conservative more than anything.

148 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:36pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

I use 'ALT + Print screen' all the time. That does not work for you? Just paste into the body of an email it - it should paste the image of the entire browser screen you were viewing.

149 Macker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:37pm

Good Evening Lizards! I present to you:
Tantalizing Chamalla Extract...or, where two stores in the LA area had copies of the Caprica DVD on the shelves...11 days EARLY!

150 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:45pm

re: #138 Mich-again

It doesn't work in paint for me. I had to paste the screen print into a word or excel document.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that one, I know it works in email, photoshop, and word, excel, etc.

151 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:06pm

LGF is essentially an arm of AIPAC. I didn’t read the site, but I suspect the comments contain references to Stormfront, Christianity, evolution, and John Birch. Let them stay home. They are exactly what’s wrong with the party. They’re close-minded war mongers, with loyalties that lie outside of America’s best interests.

My loyalties belong to the United States Of America and her best interests. What the fuck is AIPAC? Would this writer care to tell me just where his or her loyalties lie?

/S

152 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:33pm

re: #136 eddiespaghetti

So, everyone going to the tea party is a kook?

No. Who said that? But there will be enough of them. Look for the 9/11 conspiracy nuts, the Stormfront White Supremacists, the Paulians, The Nirthers, the anarchists, John Birchers, etc.

153 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:44pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

shift print screen does nothing.

Try this.

They say alt + prnt scrn over there.

154 MacGregor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:27pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

You could also highlight/select the whole web page, copy it, paste it into a word processor or email. Kinda clunky but might fit the bill.

155 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:40pm

Killgore, If you have a digital camera take an old fashioned picture of your monitor.

156 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:57pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter
Are you some sort of plant?
There are racists and nut cases in every corner, they only exists on the right?
Are you beginning to believe the BS the left feeds you or are you feeding it to me.
I'm no hater.
But I'm free to have my own judgments and prejudices.
And a little nuts is not such a bad thing.
Because
You and me don't get to define what is normal or moral.

157 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:15pm

re: #134 Thanos

in photoshop editor you should be able to select "new" under the file menu and paste it right in, correct size and all.


Ok, that was the missing info I needed.

158 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:19pm

File --> Save Page as

File --> Save Frame As

works for me, saved to desktop
/firefox

159 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:33pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

No, not all of them. But too many of them have been corrupted for them to be usable for conservative organizing. Once a non-liberal organization becomes infected with crazies, we cannot make public use of it. If we do, the MSM will use said nuts to get the public to think we're nuts. I hate it, but those are the rules of the game. Plus, I just don't want to attend events that can contain the kind of nuts at these Tea Parties.

You can't set that as the standard: the MSM used actual Republican campaign rallies as proof that we're nuts, by INVENTING comments by crazies. So whether you're there or not, whether the GOP formally declares interest in organizing the attendees or not, the MSM will make the accusation anyway.

160 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:06pm

re: #152 Mich-again

No. Who said that? But there will be enough of them. Look for the 9/11 conspiracy nuts, the Stormfront White Supremacists, the Paulians, The Nirthers, the anarchists, John Birchers, etc.

And me. Handing out information to try and counter the loons.

161 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:10pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Ok, that was the missing info I needed.

Oh yeah. For Photoshop the shortcut would be...

Ctl + N
Ctl + V

162 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:16pm

LMAO

"I don't read the site, BUT..."

hahahahaha

163 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:29pm

re: #147 Sharmuta

Get them to read The Conscience of a Conservative more than anything.

I've always had a soft spot for God and Man at Yale, but Goldwater is good too.

164 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:35pm

I sense something, a presence I've not felt since...

I see a "Get off my website" post coming... soon.

165 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:46pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

So, you are certain that the 'tea party' throughout the nation (Pensacola not withstanding) is infiltrated by kooks, and we should not attend?

166 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:48pm

re: #152 Mich-again

No. Who said that? But there will be enough of them. Look for the 9/11 conspiracy nuts, the Stormfront White Supremacists, the Paulians, The Nirthers, the anarchists, John Birchers, etc.

And if you are going to a Tea party, be prepped to shut those idiots down. Know the groups they are going to bring up. There are enough leftists tied to the RP Revolution that I sometimes suspect that they are there to purposefully tear up the right by bolstering the kook kontingent.

167 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:11pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

What is the unity of message?

Mine is NO and STOP.

Whats yours?

168 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:15pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Ok, that was the missing info I needed.

cool, did it work?

169 stuiec  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:28pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

XPS is my only option.

For some reason, when I do a ctl-PrtScreen or shift-PrtScreen from Firefox, the image in the clipboard doesn't paste cleanly into many applications -- however it DOES paste into a PowerPoint slide, from which I can right-click on the image and Save As to a .jpg file. Try it.

170 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:35pm

re: #156 burntjohn

And a little nuts is not such a bad thing.

Most nutty people aren't just a little nuts.

171 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:44pm

Am downloading Sowell's book from my library now.
Thanks Sharmuta!

172 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:39pm

re: #167 burntjohn

What is the unity of message?

Mine is NO and STOP.

Whats yours?

Here it comes folks...

173 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:46pm

Nytol.

Or Sominex.

Whichever.

174 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:12pm

A trailer for the forthcoming documentary "U.N. Me".


Youtube Video
175 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:29pm

“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.”
-- Barry Goldwater

176 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:57pm

Ugh this is fucking complicated. Now my problem is that once I paste it into photoshop I only get what's on my screen, not the full tread. Do I just take a screen shot, scroll down take another etc?

177 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:03pm

re: #156 burntjohn

Nobody's stopping you. Let your freak flag fly.

/just don't be surprised when the nuts overshadow any noble goal you might have had.

178 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:28pm

“To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.”
-- Barry Goldwater

179 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:36pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Ugh this is fucking complicated. Now my problem is that once I paste it into photoshop I only get what's on my screen, not the full tread. Do I just take a screen shot, scroll down take another etc?

Yep, if that's the method you'll be using.

180 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:54pm

re: #174 Dustyvet

A trailer for the forthcoming documentary "U.N. Me".

[Video]

The soundtrack scared the shit out of Maisey the Parrot. She almost fell off her perch. She's not use to loud noises like that this late at night.

181 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:57pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Yep. That is what a screen shot is.

182 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:44pm

Try this print screen.///

183 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:05pm

re: #167 burntjohn

What is the unity of message?

Mine is NO and STOP.

Whats yours?

Mine is: "Obama's policies are failures in waiting. We've got better ideas. We, the GOP, don't believe in using government to take away your money and freedom and by voting for us you'll get policies that protect your property and rights."

How does that sound?

184 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:05pm

Crispy Jack is about to edumacate us all.

185 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:10pm

re: #174 Dustyvet

A trailer for the forthcoming documentary "U.N. Me".

Who is making this movie? They expect to live?

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:36pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

The soundtrack scared the shit out of Maisey the Parrot. She almost fell off her perch. She's not use to loud noises like that this late at night.

Hi, Maisey.

187 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:42pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Ugh this is fucking complicated. Now my problem is that once I paste it into photoshop I only get what's on my screen, not the full tread. Do I just take a screen shot, scroll down take another etc?

Can't you just go to "file," "save as" and then "html" or "web page." and save the whole page that is cached on your computer. What are you using Xp, Linux ?

188 landivar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:23pm

Of course the Paulians are in the Tea Party Movement. They are for limited government, its ridiculous to say they "infiltrated" when they have been for this sort of behavior all along.

Really, Charles, I know you don't like the Paulians, but be reasonable here. The Tea Party movement is a massive grass roots movement of people trying to shrink the size and scope of government, which is right up the Ron Paul followers alley, it would be hypocritical of them if they DIDN'T attend.

189 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:25pm

re: #178 jaunte

“To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.”
-- Barry Goldwater

Great quote from a great man. Upding.

190 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:27pm

re: #184 Racer X

Crispy Jack is about to edumacate us all.

LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL (well, not that loud)

191 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:51pm

re: #118 eddiespaghetti

Some individual tea parties may be on the up and up (I'm not opposed to the concept), but the Paulbots are very energetic and devious. I suspect many of them are Alinsky acolytes, tactically speaking. "Rules for radicals" is a two way street.

192 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:56pm

I Want a rag-tag freak show.
I do not want happy and peppy and bursting with love.
I want EMOTION
I want loud and boisterous.
DO NOT MAKE IT ABOUT OBAMA
He is just a tool.
100 different democrats could have been elected to do the same exact things.
The left is built on BULLSHIT.
And you folks are worrying about creating a unified message.
Bring your own message.
Say it LOUD

You have every right to
PEACEFULLY and aggressively.

193 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:11pm

Gotta love the Ronulans

194 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:15pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

Please tell us how you really feel! Don't hold back. ;)

195 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:38pm

re: #188 landivar

Of course the Paulians are in the Tea Party Movement. They are for limited government, its ridiculous to say they "infiltrated" when they have been for this sort of behavior all along.

Really, Charles, I know you don't like the Paulians, but be reasonable here. The Tea Party movement is a massive grass roots movement of people trying to shrink the size and scope of government, which is right up the Ron Paul followers alley, it would be hypocritical of them if they DIDN'T attend.

And it would be hypocritical if a true conservative wanted to have anything to do with any group that has a strong Ron Paul presence.

End of that story.

196 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:03pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Ugh this is fucking complicated. Now my problem is that once I paste it into photoshop I only get what's on my screen, not the full tread. Do I just take a screen shot, scroll down take another etc?

That's what I would do

197 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:06pm

Looking through some of those Ron Paul forums now. Holy smokes those people have no shame.

[Link: 74.125.93.104...]

198 Radar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:13pm

This is just my observation of all things Ron Paul related.

I have noticed that all of the really dedicated Ron Paul supporters are I have met are kooks. Not just any kook, but hardcore, reality challenged kooks. The common elements include:

The ones I know seem to not be able to think for themselves, but do ALL of their thinking by posting, pasting, or linking to something the "Dr." said or wrote. I have seen very few of his supporters put things into their own words and have had even less success having conversations with them where they can really speak what they believe. They are always super sensitive, and ultimately hostile to any criticism of the Dr. in any form. It is strangely cult like.

I have noticed that when you start to get to know them, they all seem to be AIPAC conspiracy wonks. Sometimes they start out as eloquent and intelligent folks, but the more you get to know them the more the anti-AIPAC crap starts to come out. Even worse, you can often find them to be just downright anti-Semitic and racist cranks underneath it all.

Also, of the really hardcore supporters, there seems to be a tendency to try to wish all of us back to this idyllic, perfect, mythical, Constitutional past that never has actually happened. I teach history, and while I know WHY they feel that way, it isn't actually TRUE, and simply wishing really hard won't turn back the clock to a perfect past that never was. Nothing irks me more than lying about history, even if they are doing so from a perspective of ideas I agree with. Birchers are the worst of these types. Have you ever watched any of their propaganda? That America that yearn for never existed and could never have existed. They are quite simply, utopian idealists as dangerous as any of the lefts utopian idealists.

For example, I got to know a Paulian through Facebook (I know, I know). He regularly posted lots of good political articles. Occasionally, I would comment on some of them (among many others). Then, as time went on, all of his postings became Ron Paul links. So much so that it was almost a reverence for the man. It had a creepy vibe to it. Then, as this election came and went, it got worse and the anti-AIPAC stuff started seeping in. Then that was ALL that was being posted. That told me all I needed to know. Then the John Birch video popped up. I laughed through the whole thing because their version of America's past just wasn't true. I no longer have that person on my friends list. It got way too gross for me. Unfortunately, he was just a good example of a trend I have seen in many Ron Paul supporters.

But that's just my experience. I learned everything I need to know about them, and I don't want anything to do with it. I still plan on attending a Tea Party, but I fear the kooks will come out and grab all the attention. Unfortunately, that has always happened. Think about the crowd that trashed the MA governor's house and the burned the Tax Collector's house and ran him out of town during the Stamp Act crisis...actions which many of the more eloquent and prominent Son's of Liberty decried (you know, that whole "respect private property, don't give in to the mob" thing?). So this is nothing new. It is, I am afraid, just something that is part of all human societies, and especially free ones who are allowed to exercise their freedom of speech and assembly.

We will just have to deal. Meanwhile, the rational ones will hang out and commune in places like LGF. It's why I come here. It is refreshing to see a place that values reason and rational inquiry with a skeptical bent and a critical eye regardless of party affiliation or ideology. I like that Charles holds the Republicans accountable when they screw up. I don't agree with him all the time, but this place is a breath of fresh air on the internet which so often dissolves down to the lowest common denominator. And all the proof you need is simply how pissed off he gets the reactionary ideologues.

199 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:17pm

re: #174 Dustyvet

A trailer for the forthcoming documentary "U.N. Me".

[Video]

From the trailer, the movie looks pretty good.

200 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:20pm

re: #167 burntjohn

What is the unity of message?

Mine is NO and STOP.

Whats yours?

That's too damn facile and inspires no one.

What do you really hope to accomplish?

Is that a message that, by itself, America can actually build on and strengthen with?

Ask yourself: what do you want to build in this country? Not merely what do you want to reject.

Rejection is mindless and reflects withered thought. Construction takes effort and expansive thought.

201 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:41pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

The soundtrack scared the shit out of Maisey the Parrot. She almost fell off her perch. She's not use to loud noises like that this late at night.

Very sorry Maisey, tuck your wee head back under your wing and sleep wee parrot. Your a grand parrot...:)

202 Scion9  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:48pm

re: #165 eddiespaghetti

I've been to all kinds of protests; mostly 'left-wing' ones, and mostly I didn't know what was actually being protested. I wasn't there in support, but to spectate.

Just going to a 'Tea Party', unless you are a public figure of some kind is probably not going to do any harm, because your presence does nothing but inflate the head count.

I say, if you are curious just go and don't sweat it but don't expect it to be kook free, or particularly productive.

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #188 landivar

Don't chide Charles. He doesn't deserve it and it can be hazardous to your account.

204 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:16pm

re: #192 burntjohn

I Want a rag-tag freak show.
I do not want happy and peppy and bursting with love.
I want EMOTION
I want loud and boisterous.
DO NOT MAKE IT ABOUT OBAMA
He is just a tool.
100 different democrats could have been elected to do the same exact things.
The left is built on BULLSHIT.
And you folks are worrying about creating a unified message.
Bring your own message.
Say it LOUD

You have every right to
PEACEFULLY and aggressively.

Ok Lizards, ready, Wally has had it...

Fuck off you jerk. You aren't making any sense, you think you are cute with this "free verse" writing style, which only shows that you are lazy and have nothing to say.

If you have a jonsing for Ron Paul, then I suspect you need to move on, since it is obvious (well, maybe not to you) that we here really don't care for him to much.

So, I don't know why you would want to hang around here, Move on, get some fresh air, get out of the basement.

205 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:19pm

re: #192 burntjohn

Oh brother. I don't have time to debate with a Paulian so I'm just going to leave matters at this:

GAZE

206 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:27pm

re: #177 Bloodnok

Our goal should be to stir debate.
To make folks uncomfortable.
To make people think.

207 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:45pm

re: #156 burntjohn

You and me don't get to define what is normal or moral.

If you were a real conservative you would understand that every individual has a right and responsibility to define what is normal or moral. The nitwits on the hard left are the one's who are supposed to be unable to define right from wrong or make a judgment.

Frankly, if you can't define to yourself what is normal or moral, then you are part of the effin problem!

208 Bagua  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:50pm

re: #188 landivar

Of course the Paulians are in the Tea Party Movement. They are for limited government, its ridiculous to say they "infiltrated" when they have been for this sort of behavior all along.

Really, Charles, I know you don't like the Paulians, but be reasonable here. The Tea Party movement is a massive grass roots movement of people trying to shrink the size and scope of government, which is right up the Ron Paul followers alley, it would be hypocritical of them if they DIDN'T attend.

And it would show poor judgement to be seen in public with the Pauloonians.

209 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:58pm

re: #99 Sharmuta
In the United States, the Bill of Rights is the name by which the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution are known.[1] They were introduced by James Madison to the First United States Congress in 1789 as a series of articles, and came into effect on December 15, 1791, when they had been ratified by three-fourths of the States. Thomas Jefferson was the main proponent of the Bill of Rights.[2]
The United States Bill of Rights consists of the ten amendments added to the Constitution in 1791, as supporters of the constitution had promised critics during the debates of 1788.
So while you're technically correct, the reality was that the Consitution itself was only ratified because the Bill of Rights had been promised to be added and were in 1791.
Interestingly enough, Massachsetts nearly didn't ratify the Consitution anyway - the vote being 187 for and 168 against! [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[emphasis added realwest]

210 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:21pm

re: #192 burntjohn

I Want a rag-tag freak show.
I do not want happy and peppy and bursting with love.
I want EMOTION
I want loud and boisterous.
DO NOT MAKE IT ABOUT OBAMA
He is just a tool.
100 different democrats could have been elected to do the same exact things.
The left is built on BULLSHIT.
And you folks are worrying about creating a unified message.
Bring your own message.
Say it LOUD

You have every right to
PEACEFULLY and aggressively.

*hiding behind the tree, smiling* :)

211 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #206 burntjohn

Our goal should be to stir debate.
To make folks uncomfortable.
To make people think.

Code Pink says that. So do the LaRouchebags.

212 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:30pm

re: #191 MrPaulRevere

So most/some of the tea parties are f-d up? Are all the tea parties f'd up or just the ones take over by the kooks in P-cola? Is it that we know that some of them are infiltrated and now all of them are f-d up? Too attend or not...

Youtube Video
213 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:55pm

VA mugs reporter, censors the news


[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

214 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:05pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Lowlifecocksuckingmotherfuckingsonsofbitches.

That'll leave a mark.

215 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:06pm

re: #196 Thanos

I had no idea it was that complicated. It took me a while but I think I got it right this time. Sent to Big Lizard Upstairs. Let's see if this works.

216 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:46pm

re: #112 Wishing

No to this. You want to save a screenshot as an image in a program that processes images. Then save it as a jpeg if in paint.

217 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:41:52pm

re: #200 Edouard

When the Democrats say no and stop
EVERYBODY knows about it.

Obviously we are not saying loud enough yet.
Who are you waiting for?

218 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:18pm

re: #206 burntjohn

Our goal should be to stir debate.
To make folks uncomfortable.
To make people think.

0bama, is that you?

219 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:24pm

re: #196 Thanos

That's what I would do

Yah if you are screenshotting you have to save each screen. Paint is easier than photoshop. There are some applications are there that will print a web page to a pdf file. And some that will spider and save a whole website.

220 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:25pm

re: #135 Wishing
Hey thanks for that Wishing, there are 31 cities or towns in N.C. that are (supposedly) going to be having Tea Parties on the 15th!

221 Bagua  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:32pm

re: #217 burntjohn

When the Democrats say no and stop
EVERYBODY knows about it.

Obviously we are not saying loud enough yet.
Who are you waiting for?

You to make sense.

222 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:33pm

The Ron Paul Forums + Jews Google Search

Be forewarned you might find some references to Hitler there.

223 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:58pm

re: #217 burntjohn

When the Democrats say no and stop
EVERYBODY knows about it.

Obviously we are not saying loud enough yet.
Who are you waiting for?

Remember the first rule of hole digging......oh, nevermind, we'll just shovel it in after ya.

224 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:26pm

re: #217 burntjohn

When the Democrats say no and stop
EVERYBODY knows about it.

Obviously we are not saying loud enough yet.
Who are you waiting for?

You know, the BBC world service is making more sense tonight than you. Thanks.

225 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:38pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Ugh, I need brain bleach after that.

226 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:38pm

re: #223 Athos

Remember the first rule of hole digging......oh, nevermind, we'll just shovel it in after ya.

LOL.

227 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:02pm

How much do I hate Ron Paul...this is just one of the reasons...he is a disgrace to both the medical profession and most of all, to our country. I used to look at him as if he were a joke. Now? He is a [deleted].

Youtube Video
228 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:15pm

re: #206 burntjohn

Our goal should be to stir debate.
To make folks uncomfortable.
To make people think.

Think about WHAT?

You haven't said what you are FOR yet. Only what you are AGAINST, and that is a losing hand, brother.

229 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:18pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

PDF Printer

230 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:27pm

re: #210 Unakite

*hiding behind the tree, smiling* :)

And filming the freak show, including the scary looking people, the insanely ranting speeches, and the stupid or senseless placards, for negative political attack ad use in their pet Dem politicians' next re-election campaign.

231 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:40pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

I had no idea it was that complicated. It took me a while but I think I got it right this time. Sent to Big Lizard Upstairs. Let's see if this works.

Good work as always KT.

So far every tea party link I've followed ends up with Youtube vids of the nutball variety with the usual assort of real nazis, pretend american nazis, stormfronters, neo-anarcho communists, troofers, Jew haters, illuminati freaks, religious right, and militia/survivalists friended or as subscribers. It's hard to pick out just the normal folks from that background but there might be a handful.

232 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:00pm

A Laup Nor FNDT!

What could be better.

233 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:27pm

re: #232 jcm

A Laup Nor FNDT!

What could be better.

A SMDT?

234 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:46pm
Really, Charles, I know you don't like the Paulians, but be reasonable here. The Tea Party movement is a massive grass roots movement of people trying to shrink the size and scope of government, which is right up the Ron Paul followers alley, it would be hypocritical of them if they DIDN'T attend.


From "188". But you miss the point. It isn't whether the Paulians attend. Of course they'd attend. The POINT is that they aren't "for limited government". They're waaay around the bend.

235 JacksonTn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:54pm

will there be blog wars? ....

missed the music thread and so tired ... cannot go back through threads now ... but I see Ry was the head ... one of my favorites ...

if there are blog wars ... I am keeping lgf spy open all day long ..

236 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:04pm

re: #200 Edouard

That's too damn facile and inspires no one.

What do you really hope to accomplish?

Is that a message that, by itself, America can actually build on and strengthen with?

Ask yourself: what do you want to build in this country? Not merely what do you want to reject.

Rejection is mindless and reflects withered thought. Construction takes effort and expansive thought.

Sorry, don't (totally) agree. You can reject something out-of-hand (close-minded, or withered thought) or you can reject something after serious consideration (open-minded and thoughtful). If you understand why something was rejected, then you have a foundation to construct something on. Thoughtful rejection takes effort.

237 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:04pm

re: #212 eddiespaghetti

My advice would be to talk on the phone to an organizer, and ask a few questions so you can find out where their head is at. And go to their sites and tear up google looking for more info. I know it sounds like a pain in the butt, but it really shouldn't too long. I would go in any event just to see whats up, and report here everything you saw.

238 burntjohn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:05pm

re: #210 Unakite

Who? You?
Are you trying to bait me?
My minds made up.
Make up yours.

239 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:10pm

re: #8 Gus 802

Building 7, UFOs, AIPAC, the Jooos and my mothers basement!

Ron Paulians

///

Conspiracy theories are the first refuge of weak minds when reality hits them with something they don't want to see. Ron Paul is conspiracist velcro.

240 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:00pm

re: #220 realwest

Hey thanks for that Wishing, there are 31 cities or towns in N.C. that are (supposedly) going to be having Tea Parties on the 15th!

I was planning to go, but alas, I am scheduled to work Tues and Wed nights. Bummer.
I had already told the people I was going with that if the kooks, Paulians, Birchers, etc were running it, I would take a taxi HOME.
There is a way to see all the parties planned in the US on a google map.
I will try to get the link for that.

241 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:20pm

re: #217 burntjohn

Our message cannot be only negative as you suggest. We won't beat "Hope!" and "Change!" with "No" and "Stop". We have to counter with our own, better, and freedom protecting and hope and change. Otherwise, we're toast.

242 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:29pm

re: #233 Mich-again

A SMDT?

Left Coast, the night is young!

243 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:48:11pm

This is kind of big, should we attend "tea party" events or not? Is it a kook show, is it Atlas Shrugged? I get the feeling here, that it is Ron Paul show, no?

244 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:09pm

re: #238 burntjohn

Who? You?
Are you trying to bait me?
My minds made up.
Make up yours.

I have made up my mind:

GAZE

245 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #239 Boxy_brown

Conspiracy theories are the first refuge of weak minds when reality hits them with something they don't want to see. Ron Paul is conspiracist velcro.

I noticed that right away last year. Essentially he garnered a lot of support from pot heads, racists, conspiracy nuts, and various other sundry kooks. Bad enough having Obama as president. The thought of DOCTOR Ron Paul and his lunatic minions in power should frighten us all. No need to worry though since they're in a complete minority.

246 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:26pm

HAI

247 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:26pm

re: #237 MrPaulRevere

Indeed, like zombie!

248 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:39pm

realwest,
On the Your text to link..., scroll down the left hand site to Latest News, click on seventh one down

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:46pm

re: #231 Thanos

It's hard to pick out just the normal folks from that background but there might be a handful.


It's disgraceful to see so many people duped into supporting antisemitic racist conspiracy nuts. Shame on the "respectful" bloggers and pundits endorsing this shit.

250 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:49pm

Pirates Bring German Ship Into US Stand-Off

[Link: news.sky.com...]

251 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:03pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Hey there Dark_Falcon - please see my #43 - I just don't see how you can have any LARGE demonstration without having nutters and whackos in attendance!
Hell if it wasn't for the Anti-War Left, Anarchists would have no place to go, given that by their nature they are not the kind to organize anything!
Seriously - we need two things, really: a) a leader like say Rudy or Mitt to be THE speaker at a major Tea Party so as to shut down the idiots in the crowd (Rudy is particularly adept at that!) and b) HONEST coverage by the MSM. But just because we don't have and probably never will have b) doesn't mean we shouldn't try a) - grassroots movements have to start SOMEWHERE and whether or not it's a "Tea Party" or something similar, I do believe something needs to be done. Writing letters to Democrat Congresscritters won't work - or at least it sure as hell hasn't worked in the past.

252 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:07pm

re: #218 pink freud

/Could be, but he wasn't going 'uh' repeatedly.

253 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:17pm

re: #243 eddiespaghetti

This is kind of big, should we attend "tea party" events or not? Is it a kook show, is it Atlas Shrugged? I get the feeling here, that it is Ron Paul show, no?

Yep. Paulians, Neo-Nazis and John Birchers: Oh Hell!

254 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:33pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

"respected"
/yeesh, I stink

255 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:33pm

re: #232 jcm

A Laup Nor FNDT!

What could be better.

Almost anything. Onray Aulpay makes me puke.

256 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:37pm

re: #247 eddiespaghetti

Now you're talking...we need more Zombies.

257 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:51pm

re: #243 eddiespaghetti

This is kind of big, should we attend "tea party" events or not? Is it a kook show, is it Atlas Shrugged? I get the feeling here, that it is Ron Paul show, no?

eddie, if there is one near you, I say go, be a voice of sanity if there are kooks in attendance.

258 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:09pm

Chants and placards (no matter how clever) are no match for sensible policy and sound alternatives. In that respect the GOP has let us down mightily. We would have better luck pressuring our own side to come up with these alternatives.

259 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:33pm

re: #252 NY Nana

/Could be, but he wasn't going 'uh' repeatedly.

Hi Nana :-)

I am glad you've got the computer working right again. Another long day?

(I shouldn't be here, I am hiding from a research paper that is yelling at me.)

260 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:47pm

re: #251 realwest

Real,

How you this evening, you having bumpy weather?

261 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:49pm

re: #238 burntjohn

Who? You?
Are you trying to bait me?
My minds made up.
Make up yours.

Oooh...Touched a nerve.

262 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:53:44pm

re: #251 realwest

Hey there Dark_Falcon - please see my #43 - I just don't see how you can have any LARGE demonstration without having nutters and whackos in attendance!
Hell if it wasn't for the Anti-War Left, Anarchists would have no place to go, given that by their nature they are not the kind to organize anything!
Seriously - we need two things, really: a) a leader like say Rudy or Mitt to be THE speaker at a major Tea Party so as to shut down the idiots in the crowd (Rudy is particularly adept at that!) and b) HONEST coverage by the MSM. But just because we don't have and probably never will have b) doesn't mean we shouldn't try a) - grassroots movements have to start SOMEWHERE and whether or not it's a "Tea Party" or something similar, I do believe something needs to be done. Writing letters to Democrat Congresscritters won't work - or at least it sure as hell hasn't worked in the past.

I agree. Sane people need to take charge of one of these events and use it to get our message out. Your plan is the correct one.

263 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:16pm

re: #242 jcm

Left Coast, the night is young!

Right Coast, the morning is young!

264 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:49pm

re: #243 eddiespaghetti

This is kind of big, should we attend "tea party" events or not? Is it a kook show, is it Atlas Shrugged? I get the feeling here, that it is Ron Paul show, no?

I don't think you'll get a groupthink answer to this.
You can stay home, you can go and just see what's up, take pics and report back, or you can go armed with some info to provide to the 'normal' people who'll be there. Apparently the last option isn't particularly popular here.

265 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:53pm

re: #240 Wishing
I don't need that for North Carolina - I know exactly where the nearest one is; regrettably I get to get my cancer tested again on the 15th (fitting, eh?) and can't put it off.
I have however written to my Republican Congresscritters about it and warned them about the Paulistas and others - my Congresswoman actually wrote me back and said she was aware that "some people will try to use the Tea Party to cast us in a poor light" but she plans on going anyway (I'd assume Charlotte cause that's a major part of her congressional district).

266 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:32pm

re: #259 pink freud

Hi, Pink Freud! So what's new?

267 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:50pm

Nice you tube video of Tea Party/ Nirther convergence.

268 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:51pm

OT but just curious--i know y'all love mandy and her comments. but does she realize, that in a few short yrs, her son will be able to google and read her very profane comments here? i know she's funny and speaks her mind but the kid is gonna see it--down-ding me if im wrong

269 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:54pm

re: #238 burntjohn

It's been fun, but now I must bid you adieu. Take care.

270 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:11pm

re: #265 realwest

I don't need that for North Carolina - I know exactly where the nearest one is; regrettably I get to get my cancer tested again on the 15th (fitting, eh?) and can't put it off.
I have however written to my Republican Congresscritters about it and warned them about the Paulistas and others - my Congresswoman actually wrote me back and said she was aware that "some people will try to use the Tea Party to cast us in a poor light" but she plans on going anyway (I'd assume Charlotte cause that's a major part of her congressional district).

Yes, our congressman will be speaking at ours as well. I am praying that the nutcases aren't able to ruin this for the rest of us.

271 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:17pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon
Amen to that one!

272 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:29pm

re: #198 Radar

Excellent comment.

I just wanted to add, that along with the Paulestinians you described, I believe that there was a mass of lefty kooks and college students who under normal circumstances would never support anyone who supports some of the things that Ron Paul claimed to (like laissez-faire capitalism, ending the welfare state, etc). What attracted them to RP like flies on shit was either his anti-Iraq war rhetoric or his promise to end the war on drugs. As soon as Obama was the Dem nominee, most of them dropped RP like a bad habit. After the election, the rest of them did too. The 19 year olds with the the RP RloveUTION shirts are nowhere to found on college campuses anymore.

So all of Ron Paul's "followers" are the original paleo-lib troofer militia NWO conspiracy theory kooks who always supported him or other various überlibertarian nutjobs like him and the Nazis who support him because "Ending foreign aid" = hanging Israel out to dry. They are loud and crazy and wont simply "Just walk away" to quote The Humongous.

273 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:36pm

Let's look back at Paulians and 2008:

1. They spammed the internet in record numbers.

2. You still can't do a google search for anything without having Ron Paul show up. You can do a search for "gypsum fireboard" and Ron Paul will turn up.

3. Half of them were 911 KOOKS.

4. They never stopped babbling about Bilderbergs, AIPAC, Jews, NWO, etc.

Anyone else care to add?

274 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:49pm

re: #255 NY Nana

Almost anything. Onray Aulpay makes me puke.

LOL!

What better reason to have a drink! Settle the stomach a bit.

275 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:57:40pm

re: #236 Unakite

Sorry, don't (totally) agree. You can reject something out-of-hand (close-minded, or withered thought) or you can reject something after serious consideration (open-minded and thoughtful). If you understand why something was rejected, then you have a foundation to construct something on. Thoughtful rejection takes effort.

Point taken, but thoughtful rejection is not what we're getting tonight from burntjohn.

Chanting "NO NO NO" and "STOP STOP STOP" is what we're getting from burntjohn. That's withered thought. Maybe I should have clarified: "simple" rejection is mindless.

Ultimately it's about what we want, beyond merely what we don't want for America. Affirmative thought. That takes a kind of determined, inspirational, rational, and strategic persistence that I don't usually detect among the chanters or slogan-yellers.

276 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:37pm

re: #238 burntjohn

Who? You?
Are you trying to bait me?

Nah, you're a master.

My minds made up.

Clear to see. Stuck on stupid.
You have no problem abdicating your responsibility to decide on what is right and moral - and then you try to beat up on someone else? Isn't that a definition of moral and intellectual bankruptcy?

But seriously, when did the mothership send the instructions down?

277 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:02pm

re: #267 Mich-again

Yup. There are also plenty of videos filmed and posted by Tea Party folks that are plenty embarrassing. Threatening reporters, decapitating effigies of politicians, fleecing the crowd for money. The lefties don't need to bother to leave their houses. The Tea Parties are eager to embarrass themselves without help.

278 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:52pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

I want no part of that, but I don't think that is what is going to show up. Do you have any interest in showing up and saying FU to trillion dollar debt to future generations?

279 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:01pm

re: #267 Mich-again

It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to run at the mouth for anyone with a camera. This type of thing at the McCain rallies was devastating.

280 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:02pm

re: #269 Charles

It's been fun, but now I must bid you adieu. Take care.

Roast Paulian, tenderized by cluebat, is now being served. Hurry on up if you want the best portions of his Gamey Buttocks. :)

281 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:03pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Yup. There are also plenty of videos filmed and posted by Tea Party folks that are plenty embarrassing. Threatening reporters, decapitating effigies of politicians, fleecing the crowd for money. The lefties don't need to bother to leave their houses. The Tea Parties are eager to embarrass themselves without help.

The April 15th Convergence should prove interesting.

282 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:05pm

Good night Lizardses.

283 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:15pm

re: #266 NY Nana

Steady as she goes, Nana. Kid caught in the thunderstorms in Atlanta this evening, but all is well there. All's fine. :-)

284 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:26pm

Stick Men - Indiscipline

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:28pm

Hey Late Night Honcos!

I would have been here earlier, but I was downstairs listening to some music.

Is LGF closely affiliated with AIPAC --who knew. Not that I object. I just thought we were not the type to affiliate. How does AIPAC and those other organizations get typed together in the same sentence?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

286 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:29pm

My Mother Ship took one look at me, and then put me up for adoption...:)

287 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:35pm

Man oh man....if the scrren-name 'burntjohn' doesn't just scream 'roasted gamey buttocks' I don't know what does.

288 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:39pm

re: #269 Charles

It's been fun, but now I must bid you adieu. Take care.

Dang, missed the fun....

289 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:55pm

re: #282 Bloodnok

Good night Lizardses.

Hasta luego.

///See they're speaking in Hispanic over at LGF.

290 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:04pm

re: #257 Wishing

I say crush kooks, or at least tell the police that they are f-d up, and arrest them..

291 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:06pm

Crispy Jack is Toast.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:22pm

oooh, is there any BBQ left?

293 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:29pm

re: #287 Fenway_Nation

Man oh man....if the scrren-name 'burntjohn' doesn't just scream 'roasted gamey buttocks' I don't know what does.

Medium Well?


/S

294 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:06pm

re: #278 eddiespaghetti

I want no part of that, but I don't think that is what is going to show up. Do you have any interest in showing up and saying FU to trillion dollar debt to future generations?

The April 15th event in Chicago features Alan Keyes. I'm not going to attend an event with that kook. If there is a sane Tea Party in my area, I will attend if I am able.

295 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:26pm

OK, here's the summary for Paulians in 2008: 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job, 911 Was an Inside Job.

Those assholes were everywhere.

296 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:27pm

re: #264 Killer Tomato

sane answer, thank u.

297 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:38pm

I think we should all go outside in a big crowd and chant rhythmically.

We can flail our arms around and then hit our heads with them in unison.

Then we can scream "Death to Jimmy Carter! Death to the Great Satan!"

/Flashback off. Mob inspired revolutions always turn out well.

298 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:43pm

re: #287 Fenway_Nation

Man oh man....if the scrren-name 'burntjohn' doesn't just scream 'roasted gamey buttocks' I don't know what does.

Seems to go well with Bushmills tonight.

299 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:02pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Mind you the jerk who made that film voiced his equally stupid notion that all our current problems are the result of what Republicans did over the last 20 years, which is just as crazy as being a Nirther.

300 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:14pm
re: #215 Killgore Trout
re: #229 hazzyday

I tested this. worked ok on regular site. LGF is a little too complicated for it and the other one I use.

301 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:15pm

re: #275 Edouard

Point taken, but thoughtful rejection is not what we're getting tonight from burntjohn.

Chanting "NO NO NO" and "STOP STOP STOP" is what we're getting from burntjohn. That's withered thought. Maybe I should have clarified: "simple" rejection is mindless.

Ultimately it's about what we want, beyond merely what we don't want for America. Affirmative thought. That takes a kind of determined, inspirational, rational, and strategic persistence that I don't usually detect among the chanters or slogan-yellers.

And your point taken too. On the humorous side, apparently he didn't take too kindly to my post #210.

302 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:28pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

The April 15th event in Chicago features Alan Keyes. I'm not going to attend an event with that kook. If there is a sane Tea Party in my area, I will attend if I am able.

Good plan. Keyes is out of his gourd.

303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:44pm

re: #16 burntjohn

Why all this Ron Paul hate?

Speaking only for myself, mind you, I can sum up my utter contempt for that piece of shit in two words:

Fucking "blowback".

The rest of his ugly ideology is just icing on the contempt cake.

304 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:47pm

re: #292 ggt

oooh, is there any BBQ left?

Yep, I saved you some troll thigh. I'll get you a soda, what kind would you like?

305 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:40pm

Why didn't Ditka run against Obama?
The fulcrum of history pivoted on that one event.

306 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:02pm

re: #257 Wishing

Bakersfield, April 15, be there. If it sucks, if it is a kook fest...

I will go to the bar. And cry...

307 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:11pm

re: #291 Racer X

Saw it coming at 164. I knew there was no way that guy was getting out of the thread on both feet.

308 Spar Kling  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:12pm

re: #198 Radar

This is just my observation of all things Ron Paul related.
I have noticed that all of the really dedicated Ron Paul supporters are I have met are kooks. Not just any kook, but hardcore, reality challenged kooks. The common elements include:


snip . . .

I have noticed that when you start to get to know them, they all seem to be AIPAC conspiracy wonks. Sometimes they start out as eloquent and intelligent folks, but the more you get to know them the more the anti-AIPAC crap starts to come out. Even worse, you can often find them to be just downright anti-Semitic and racist cranks underneath it all.


snip . . .

I think you're right on the money. These folks seem to start "contrarian" and then get sucked into a vortex of conspiracy theories and end up completely paranoid. That's why I think Ron Paul himself cratered so badly in the first Republican "debate." His ideas are so "out there" that very few people understood what he was talking about.

Even if some of Ron Paul's ideas are good, it doesn't take long before you start uncovering the bizarre, a complete turn off. Of course, the same is true for Obama, except that in Obama's case, the remote control in his teleprompter doesn't allow him to articulate a lot of his true goals and ideals on national TV.

-sk

309 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:41pm

re: #259 pink freud

I am glad you've got the computer working right again. Another long day?

(I shouldn't be here, I am hiding from a research paper that is yelling at me.)

Thank you so much for your help. It was just the weirdest thing I ever saw happen.

Too quiet here tonight. We had a family invasion for the 2 Seders, and at the first one? The 2 1/2 year old grandson was the ruler, with his 2 girl cousins, ages 6 and 8, and they happily let him rule.

The second night, the 6 year old and parents and our youngest son were here. First night the 6 year old and parents came here for desert, as it was son-in-law's birthday.

And no one remembered to bring a camera, and we totally forgot that they could use their mobiles to tape. I have enough trouble figuring how to make calls!

Back to the salt mines with you! ;)

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:43pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Yep, I saved you some troll thigh. I'll get you a soda, what kind would you like?

no soda, thanks. Fresh Coffee with Cream and Sugar. Thanks for saving me some BBQ. It does taste good tonite, and I don't normally eat meat. What were the spices used, man, it really tastes good.

chomp, burp. Yeah, I know I"m eating to fast.

311 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:48pm

I don't even know of a tea party around here. I am surrounded by Pelosi drones.

312 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:25pm

re: #213 Dustyvet
Shit Dusty - wonder why Hot Air has it and the MSM doesn't (even if it was one of their own who got mugged at gunpoint)?
Wonder what would happen if a Vet walked in and tried to do the same thing (NOT YOU - you need your VA too much)?

313 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:07:50pm

re: #269 Charles

burntjohn is toast!

314 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:04pm

re: #310 ggt

no soda, thanks. Fresh Coffee with Cream and Sugar. Thanks for saving me some BBQ. It does taste good tonite, and I don't normally eat meat. What were the spices used, man, it really tastes good.

chomp, burp. Yeah, I know I"m eating to fast.

Here's your coffee. Enjoy. The spices were a special blend, designed for use on cluebat tenderized troll.

315 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:22pm

re: #230 Salamantis

And filming the freak show, including the scary looking people, the insanely ranting speeches, and the stupid or senseless placards, for negative political attack ad use in their pet Dem politicians' next re-election campaign.

I saw it coming! :)

316 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:42pm

This is a dangerous place

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:43pm

re: #273 Gus 802

Let's look back at Paulians and 2008:

1. They spammed the internet in record numbers.

2. You still can't do a google search for anything without having Ron Paul show up. You can do a search for "gypsum fireboard" and Ron Paul will turn up.

3. Half of them were 911 KOOKS.

4. They never stopped babbling about Bilderbergs, AIPAC, Jews, NWO, etc.

Anyone else care to add?

One of my juniors has discovered the Bilderberg thing. Thank God, all he's done with it so far is make a cute little flip book about them, which he decided to show me.

318 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:00pm

re: #308 Spar Kling

snip . . .

I think you're right on the money. These folks seem to start "contrarian" and then get sucked into a vortex of conspiracy theories and end up completely paranoid. That's why I think Ron Paul himself cratered so badly in the first Republican "debate." His ideas are so "out there" that very few people understood what he was talking about.

Even if some of Ron Paul's ideas are good, it doesn't take long before you start uncovering the bizarre, a complete turn off. Of course, the same is true for Obama, except that in Obama's case, the remote control in his teleprompter doesn't allow him to articulate a lot of his true goals and ideals on national TV.

-sk

Thank you, Spar. For a rarity, you and I are in agreement.

319 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:05pm

re: #311 rawmuse

I don't even know of a tea party around here. I am surrounded by Pelosi drones.

Just click your state and it will list any

320 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:10pm

If you want to impact the policy debate join the Heritage foundation and throw them a few bucks. From what I've read they avoid minefields like creationism and what not.

321 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:10pm

I have to share with Lizards tonite, something which I shared with earlier Lizards. I feel like I've landed in a sea of sanity.

I'm listening to the Personal Memoirs of Thomas Sowell on my iPod. The narration is good. The relaxed feeling of being with a sane person has stayed with me all eveing.

If I were with kindred spirits right now, I'd be back listening.

322 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:13pm

re: #309 NY Nana

Aw, that just all sounds so nice, Nana. Enjoy the quiet! :-)

grrrr ....don't get me started on cellphones! I just got one of the new 3G phones and the print on the screen is too small for me to read. Non-adjustable. Bad choice on my part; I should have gotten one with a red key, a green key, and 10 numeral buttons!

323 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:39pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my juniors has discovered the Bilderberg thing. Thank God, all he's done with it so far is make a cute little flip book about them, which he decided to show me.

Is it humorous? Shouldn't be too hard. :)

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:44pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Here's your coffee. Enjoy. The spices were a special blend, designed for use on cluebat tenderized troll.

A propriety blend, or will they be included in the next cookbook? "Lizard Spiced Troll"

325 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:11:08pm

re: #312 realwest

Shit Dusty - wonder why Hot Air has it and the MSM doesn't (even if it was one of their own who got mugged at gunpoint)?
Wonder what would happen if a Vet walked in and tried to do the same thing (NOT YOU - you need your VA too much)?

Realwest,

I once had the Privilege of being kicked out of a VA Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. Then being escorted off the grounds by the VA Police.

326 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:31pm

re: #319 Wishing

Here's the tea party google map.

327 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:52pm

M O O N ... spells moon.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:13:07pm

re: #309 NY Nana

Thank you so much for your help. It was just the weirdest thing I ever saw happen.

Too quiet here tonight. We had a family invasion for the 2 Seders, and at the first one? The 2 1/2 year old grandson was the ruler, with his 2 girl cousins, ages 6 and 8, and they happily let him rule.

The second night, the 6 year old and parents and our youngest son were here. First night the 6 year old and parents came here for desert, as it was son-in-law's birthday.

And no one remembered to bring a camera, and we totally forgot that they could use their mobiles to tape. I have enough trouble figuring how to make calls!

Back to the salt mines with you! ;)

My father has clearly gotten fed up with not having grandchildren. All through the seder it was "Well, when my GRANDDAUGHTER reads the Fir Kashes..." or "No, we'll hide the Afikomen when the GRANDCHILDREN can look for it..."

I think I'm on notice.

329 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:13:45pm

re: #324 ggt

A propriety blend, or will they be included in the next cookbook? "Lizard Spiced Troll"

I'll see if I can come up with a usable troll-specific blend that can fit in the cookbook. All my spice blend are from my mother. She spent much of her childhood in New Orleans and developed an appreciation for spices there.

330 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:14:15pm

re: #327 Thanos

Nice.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:14:43pm

re: #323 Gus 802

Is it humorous? Shouldn't be too hard. :)

Well, there are pictures. I can't tell if he believes or not. The portrait of Bill Clinton was rather nicely drawn.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:05pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

I'll see if I can come up with a usable troll-specific blend that can fit in the cookbook. All my spice blend are from my mother. She spent much of her childhood in New Orleans and developed an appreciation for spices there.

I like spices. Mostly anything mixed with garlic. A dash of red pepper always helps.

333 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:28pm

Looks like the conservatives in the UK have Obama down -

President Barack Obama has recently completed the most successful foreign policy tour since Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. You name it, he blew it. What was his big deal economic programme that he was determined to drive through the G20 summit? Another massive stimulus package, globally funded and co-ordinated. Did he achieve it? Not so as you'd notice.

Barack is not the first New World ingenue to discover that European leaders will load him with praise, struggle sycophantically to be photographed with him and outdo him in Utopian rhetoric. But when it comes to the critical moment of opening their wallets - suddenly it is flag-day in Aberdeen. Okay, put the G20 down to inexperience, beginner's nerves, what you will.

On to Nato and the next big objective: to persuade the same European evasion experts that America, Britain and Canada should no longer bear the brunt of the Afghan struggle virtually unassisted. The Old World sucked through its teeth, said that was asking a lot - but, seeing it was Barack, to whom they could refuse nothing, they would graciously accede to his wishes.

So The One retired triumphant, having secured a massive contribution of 5,000 extra troops - all of them non-combatant, of course - which must really have put the wind up the Taliban, at the prospect of 5,000 more infidel cooks and bottle-washers swarming into the less hazardous regions of Afghanistan.

Then came the dramatic bit, the authentic West Wing script, with the President wakened in the middle of the night in Prague to be told that Kim Jong-il had just launched a Taepodong-2 missile. America had Aegis destroyers tracking the missile and could have shot it down. But Uncle Sam had a sterner reprisal in store for l'il ole Kim (as Dame Edna might call him): a multi-megaton strike of Obama hot air.

From the Torygraph.

334 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:35pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

lol--both of my sons are on notice--they keep getting cats--i'm now up to SEVEN grand-kitties-- enough !

335 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:06pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Thanks, it's interesting because I took it through a bunch of tree branches, focusing through them.

336 Neutral President  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:35pm

re: #308 Spar Kling

I think that describes it pretty well. Back in my libertarian days I was slowly sucked into all kinds of ridiculous paranoid conspiracies that slowly crept up on me and were easy to fall into when they come at you slowly and in small portions. One kook belief feeds another and it becomes a vicious cycle. After awhile you are completely in kook land and don't even notice it.

Since I'm not a fool by nature, a few things I ran into in kook-land woke me up from the trance and shook me back into reality. Eventually I left the LP entirely after 9-11. I'm totally embarrassed at some of the crap I believed in during the 90s and thats probably the reason why I have zero fucking tolerance for this crap anymore.

337 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:43pm

It's the Ron Paul Hour!

Brought to you by Lithium!

///re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, there are pictures. I can't tell if he believes or not. The portrait of Bill Clinton was rather nicely drawn.

Ah. I saw some crazy guy on a street corner this afternoon with a rather large sign referring to Bill Clinton. Was rather strange.

338 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:13pm

re: #334 mikeymom

lol--both of my sons are on notice--they keep getting cats--i'm now up to SEVEN grand-kitties-- enough !

A man took his dog to the Vet. He said, "Doctor, I think my dog is dead."

The Vet told him to put the dog on the table and then left the room. Soon he came back with a cat. The cat sniffed the dogs ears, his nose and then walked all over him.

The Vet said, "Yep, your dog is dead. That will be $500 and $35 dollars."

The man said, "$500 and $35 dollars! What for?"

The Vet said, "$35 for the office visit and $500 for the cat scan."

339 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:19pm

re: #319 Wishing

SF Civic Center. You got to be kidding me.
I would not protest there, you'd get torn to shreds by the commie loon counters.

340 Radar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:35pm

re: #308 Spar Kling

Very true about the Paulians who supported him for the Anti-war stance and ending the drug war. The campuses I teach at used to have a few of those shirts around, now I never see them...I hadn't thought about that.

re: #272 ArchangelMichael

The worst part of it is just how ugly some of them can be. The hatred and delusion is palpable.

The thing that makes me mad is that when it comes to libertarian ideas, and the ideas that made this country great...we really can do better than Ron Paul. He's just so...nutty. It's embarrassing.

Anyhoo...night all. Way past bedtime. Always a pleasure.

341 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:36pm

re: #333 karmic_inquisitor

Looks like the conservatives in the UK have Obama down -

From the Torygraph.

The Telegraph: the kind of paper I wish we had here in Chicago. Great stuff, truly great.

342 Olderthandirt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:13pm

It's fascinating that Nazi's and other such nutcases have used Paul's newsletters to spread their venom and yet Paul kind of just sort of ignores that little embarrassing set of facts and sternly denies that he's ever had anything to do with Nazis. Much have been someone who set out to embarrass that little twerp!

Personally, the GOP should have not allowed Paul to be in the GOP debates during the 2008 campaign; another strike against group of pansies.

343 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:30pm

re: #335 Thanos

Your take on Sherrif Joe and illegal immigration was right on the $$. Bravo.

344 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:30pm

Fear and populism - always a heady but dangerous brew.

345 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:40pm

re: #260 jcm
Hey jcm - I'm doing ok, thanks - yes, we had Thunderstorms, hail and tornado activity here most of the afternoon and up until about an hour ago or so.

346 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:08pm

Oops, I forgot I had my Ron Paul Lithium sponsor tagged onto my last comment. Oh well. It's Friday night.

347 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:19pm

re: #335 Thanos

Shit, I didn't realize how high rez that pic is. I'll change from nice to "Very niiiice"
/Borat

348 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:49pm

re: #338 Dustyvet

lol--old one--my 15 yr old maine coon told me that when he was a kitteh! but in all seriousness-when mikeydad had his kidnew stone thingy on wed, mikey would not leave his side when dad came home-- THEY KNOW!

349 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:03pm

re: #273 Gus 802


....They never stopped babbling about Bilderbergs, AIPAC, Jews, NWO, etc.

Anyone else care to add?

Don't forget "Bohemian Grove."

Notice the spittle-flecked desperation in the mannerisms of anyone who discusses that topic; such a person is actually saying to you, "I'm a wild-eyed obsessive-compulsive who doesn't get out much."

350 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:29pm

Go away for a couple of hours and it's back to Ron Paul and, of course, other things..

President Barack Obama has recently completed the most successful foreign policy tour since Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. You name it, he blew it.

When I read that this morning I laughed out loud. Would that our own newspapers had such a crystal clear notion of the 0.

351 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:39pm

OT, but good:

Pirates Test the ‘Rule of Law’

The last two paragraphs from the article:

This is the self-destructive straitjacket for which transnational progressives are fitting us. Indeed, the Law of the Sea Treaty — a compact Obama would commit us to — has hopelessly complicated the rules of engagement under which the pirates have thrived, just as Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions (a treaty Ronald Reagan was prudent enough to reject) has become an offensive weapon for jihadists everywhere. Having harnessed ourselves, we are once again the weak horse.

Except for one thing: The Americans on the Alabama, like the Americans on Flight 93, didn’t wait for the international community to send the pirates a strong letter. They saw evil, they took it on, and as a result they took their ship and their lives back. The president may not think the United States is a particularly exceptional country, but you can bet Islamic radicals on land and sea noticed that dealing with a U.S. crew is an exceptional experience. There remains something in the American character that won’t slide so easily into the straitjacket.

352 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:00pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Well, as dead tree media prints up bankruptcy filings, you get to pick where you go for news.

353 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:02pm

re: #347 Killgore Trout

It's still downsized from the original 10.1 MPX, but still nicely large if you click the thumbnail.

354 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:08pm

re: #345 realwest

Hey jcm - I'm doing ok, thanks - yes, we had Thunderstorms, hail and tornado activity here most of the afternoon and up until about an hour ago or so.

sso glad you and mom are ok! ((RW)))

355 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:57pm

Diana Krall - Quiet Nights

356 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:59pm

re: #352 karmic_inquisitor

Well, as dead tree media prints up bankruptcy filings, you get to pick where you go for news.

True that.

357 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:23:16pm

re: #345 realwest

Hey jcm - I'm doing ok, thanks - yes, we had Thunderstorms, hail and tornado activity here most of the afternoon and up until about an hour ago or so.

Nasty front back east was reading about it. Glad your okay.

358 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:23:55pm

Get set for the anti-gun crusaders.

359 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:17pm

re: #349 Edouard

Don't forget "Bohemian Grove."

Notice the spittle-flecked desperation in the mannerisms of anyone who discusses that topic; such a person is actually saying to you, "I'm a wild-eyed obsessive-compulsive who doesn't get out much."

Oh my God yes. Have you ever been to Topix online? That place was full of them. Ron Paulian and 911 Truthers all over the place. I've never seen such a pathetic bunch. The OCD pathology is big with that bunch. That and being underemployed or severely lacking in talent or experience.

360 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:35pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon Thank you but the reality is it took us - common everyday folks who did write to their Republican Congresscritters to get some sort of a budget WITH NUMBERS out of 'em and it's gonna take a lot more of us to get some form of grassroots protests (without whackos invited at least!) going in the street so much so that the MSM can't ignore it.

HEY, who knows, once a Republican Politician discovers this ISN'T about Ron Paul or burning books, etc. etc., maybe we'll see some leadership after all.

361 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:59pm

re: #358 rawmuse

Get set for the anti-gun crusaders.

i watched that earlier and was curious what LGF'ers had to say

362 So?  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:25:12pm

The US is sending in the FBI to do hostage negotiation with the vermin muslim Somali pirates. This is a military issue not a domestic FBI issue. These Somali boats should be blown out of the water as soon as they begin to approach any ship.

Hillary Clinton is a joke. Plus the irony here is that this ship is carrying relief goods for suffering Africans.

363 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:25:34pm

re: #343 MrPaulRevere

Thanks, I think he goes overboard at times, but he's doing his job right by the laws he has to work with.

364 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:25:35pm

re: #360 realwest

HEY, who knows, once a Republican Politician discovers this ISN'T about Ron Paul or burning books, etc. etc., maybe we'll see some leadership after all.

Who?
When?

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:25:46pm

re: #333 karmic_inquisitor

" "Continental governments, unlike those of Britain or the United States, are unwilling to get their young men killed in pointless wars..."

Yes, we noticed in 1939, or have you never had a history lesson? Now let me see my child, who exactly was it who laid down their lives for cowardly Continentals, who didn't want to waste the lives of their children in pointless wars? Why - that would be the Americans - and us. And who was it that turned yellow and shipped the children of their Jewish citizens to the gas chambers of their very good friends and neighbours the Germans? - ah that would be the cheese-eating surrender monkeys (original pattern).
Oh - oh, and who was it that was sacrificing their childrens' lives in that pointless war? The Germans, bonehead.

And when the Balkans was drowning in the blood of their children, whose lives were undoubtedly wasted for some excellent reason, who was it who came in to stop it? Yep Chris L - the Americans."

nice response in the comment section.

366 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:09pm

re: #358 rawmuse

Get set for the anti-gun crusaders.

I watched three minutes of this, and used my red power button option on my remote...

"off"

/s

367 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:11pm

re: #358 rawmuse

Get set for the anti-gun crusaders.

Screw those biased jerks and the jackass they rode in on!

368 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:26pm

re: #355 Racer X

Diana Krall - Quiet Nights

Thanks for that - hadn't heard that before.

369 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:55pm

Night, all.

370 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:27:32pm

re: #362 So?

Indeed! 3 SEALS on a cruiser, 1 shot 1 kill.

371 So?  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:20pm

Thomas Jefferson dealt with these pirates 2 centuries ago, yet Obama doesn't have a clue.

/Maybe she should have a Townhall meeting on the situation with questions from the pirate scum themselves.

372 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:33pm

re: #326 pink freud

Here's the tea party google map.

Thanks!

373 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:33pm

re: #311 rawmuse

I don't even know of a tea party around here. I am surrounded by Pelosi drones.

That's cause there aren't any "Tea Parties" by you; they are all "Latte Parties" at Starbucks!
:)

374 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:49pm

The manager of an office wants to motivate his staff so he puts up a sign saying "THINK" above the basin in the staff restroom. Upon returning he finds a new sign above the dispenser saying "THOAP"

375 Wishing  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:31:05pm

Good night all.
Sleep well.

376 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:32:26pm

re: #372 Wishing

You're welcome! I got the link from you in the first place, I believe. :-)

377 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:32:49pm

re: #325 Dustyvet

Realwest,

I once had the Privilege of being kicked out of a VA Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. Then being escorted off the grounds by the VA Police.


WHAT? What were you doing Dusty? Demanding to get some, ya know, HEALTHCARE or something?

378 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:32:50pm

Fading now. Thime for me to head off to sleep. See you in the morning.

379 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:03pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

A fellow Chicago lizard?

380 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:03pm

wow, it's almost 1 am here, time to get some sleeps.

Youtube Video
381 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:46pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

nite to a fellow Chi town lizard

382 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:53pm

re: #368 Thanos

Thanks for that - hadn't heard that before.

I remember that bossa nova tune from the 60's. Still lovely.

383 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:34pm

Hey, there are reasonable pirates. Hillary will find them and all will be good. Progressive diplomacy versus piracy, lets just "reset" this shit.

384 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:37pm

re: #362 So?

The US is sending in the FBI to do hostage negotiation with the vermin muslim Somali pirates. This is a military issue not a domestic FBI issue. These Somali boats should be blown out of the water as soon as they begin to approach any ship.

Hillary Clinton is a joke. Plus the irony here is that this ship is carrying relief goods for suffering Africans.

News report says the Navy requested the FBI.

385 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:35:40pm

re: #384 Gus 802

News report says the Navy requested the FBI.

Maybe to keep the scum distracted while they go about their own work? Maybe?

386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:35:56pm

So this is the message I have managed to cobble together from those adamant at obfuscating and glossing over the "Breakfast Cereal Contingent" (fruits, nuts, and flakes) of this Tea Party MovementTM:

-If you don't join The MovementTM, you are a coward.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're a lazy do-nothing.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're de facto casting a vote for Obama's next term.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, and participate in their street-theater protests, you're a basement dweller who never goes outside to breath fresh air of feel sunlight.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're burying your head in the sand and refusing to see The Truth.

Am I missing any of their talking points?

387 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:31pm

re: #361 mikeymom

i watched that earlier and was curious what LGF'ers had to say

FBI records show 750,000 crimes twarted by use of a firearm, estimates go as high as 2 million.

Mass shootings are an unusual incident. They overplay the "you've got to be a pro" but I agree in one aspect, responsible gun owners get training.

Finally they, as usual completely miss the primary function of the 1st Amend.

388 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:35pm

re: #377 realwest

WHAT? What were you doing Dusty? Demanding to get some, ya know, HEALTHCARE or something?

Yeah, that about covers it...:(

389 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:59pm

re: #384 Gus 802

News report says the Navy requested the FBI.

WHY? WT F is happening that our NAVY cant do the job? my dad and f-i-l are spinning in their graves!

390 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:16pm

re: #358 rawmuse

Carrying a Gun Wouldn't Necessarily Get You Out of a Shooting

Jesus Bald-Headed Christ in a Sidecar thanks for that update insulting our intelligence, ABC News.

I know that carrying a gun wouldn't neccecarily garuntee my survival in a shooting, but it's much better than crawling under a piece of furniture or conpicuously running for the nearest exit hoping I don't catch a bullet in the back.

391 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:20pm

re: #350 Bobblehead
"Would that our own newspapers had such a crystal clear notion of the 0."
Wouldn't do any good at all, OUR newspapers would never run something like that!

392 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:25pm

re: #377 realwest

WHAT? What were you doing Dusty? Demanding to get some, ya know, HEALTHCARE or something?

I was thinking more of an incident with a pretty young nurse and a randy ole' Dustyvet.....

/;-P

393 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:30pm

re: #381 trigger girlie

nite to a fellow Chi town lizard

Waving from Lake County...:)

394 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:49pm

re: #362 So?

The US is sending in the FBI to do hostage negotiation with the vermin muslim Somali pirates. This is a military issue not a domestic FBI issue. These Somali boats should be blown out of the water as soon as they begin to approach any ship.

Hillary Clinton is a joke. Plus the irony here is that this ship is carrying relief goods for suffering Africans.

Hillary is playing the only card she and Bill know - treat it like a crime.

The FBI led the effort in the African embassy bombings.

OBL told us that our response there omly reinforced the belief of Islamists everywhere that the US was weak.

395 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:55pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

So if you go to a tea party event you are a fruit?

396 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:12pm

re: #392 jcm

I was thinking more of an incident with a pretty young nurse and a randy ole' Dustyvet.....

/;-P

umm, er, umm err....:)

397 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:13pm

re: #393 Dustyvet

I can see you!

*waving back from Lake County :)

398 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:43pm

re: #395 eddiespaghetti

So if you go to a tea party event you are a fruit?

I like raspberry tea, does that count?

399 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:51pm

re: #390 Fenway_Nation

Jesus Bald-Headed Christ in a Sidecar thanks for that update insulting our intelligence, ABC News.

I know that carrying a gun wouldn't neccecarily garuntee my survival in a shooting, but it's much better than crawling under a piece of furniture or conpicuously running for the nearest exit hoping I don't catch a bullet in the back.

We know a gun free zone a guarantees high victim count.
We also know it takes a gun to stop a gunman.

400 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:54pm

re: #385 Bobblehead

Maybe to keep the scum distracted while they go about their own work? Maybe?

Could be. This is like an air crash. You can't second guess anyone until we get the final NTSB report. The SEAL teams no doubt have been consulted and given their assessment of the situation. This just occurred last week so there's no sense in thinking that this can play out within a couple of days. Some hostage situations last for years as we have seen in Columbia with FARC.

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:23pm

re: #395 eddiespaghetti

Is that your opinion?

402 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:29pm

re: #397 trigger girlie

I can see you!

*waving back from Lake County :)

Thank goodness I got my snuggie...:)

403 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:37pm

re: #387 jcm

thanks---did you watch the whole piece--how peeps w/traing did poorly? im not trying to start something --just--curious?

404 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:38pm

re: #398 Desert Dog

indeed!

405 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:54pm

re: #395 eddiespaghetti

So if you go to a tea party event you are a fruit?

Can I go as a kumquat?

406 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:01pm

re: #384 Gus 802

News report says the Navy requested the FBI.

The Navy knows how its bread gets buttered - they make the request so the state dept / white house doesn't look weak and pitiful.

Gates has been taking hits for Obama on the defense cutting side as well.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:09pm

re: #358 rawmuse

Get set for the anti-gun crusaders.

I think I finally figured out the mentality.

A disproportionate number of young black men die by gunshot. There for we need to get rid of guns.

If you don't want to get rid of guns, you are racist.

Faulty logic, but I think I figured it out.

Never mind the facts. That

a) the first gun control laws enacted in this country were specifically designed to disarm blacks. Jim Crow laws worked to keep recently freed black men and women enslaved. Also making it really convenient for this country's most notorious home-grown terrorist organization (the KKK) to target and murder any black individual they chose. (no lesson to be learned here--move on)

b) That the majority young black men that are dying are murdered by other young black men. Not by whites or cops. No notion of old men of any race, working to mentor young black men, or any attempt to "socially" engineer a way to encourage the fathers of these young men to take responsibility for their children. No encouragement of JROTC or military service during which these young men might learn discipline or the proper handling of a firearm. (no lesson here --move on)

c) "Manhood" is no longer culturally significant. The feminists and multi-culturists have successfully obliterated any values that once helped young men to measure themselves. Honesty, Integrity, Grit, Accomplishment are now "White Man" values that must be shunned. (no lesson here --move on)

Have I missed anything?

408 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:24pm

re: #402 Dustyvet

lol

I got my uniform, and a look of misery :( *at work

409 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:24pm

re: #394 karmic_inquisitor

Hillary is playing the only card she and Bill know - treat it like a crime.

The FBI led the effort in the African embassy bombings.

OBL told us that our response there omly reinforced the belief of Islamists everywhere that the US was weak.

Perhaps we should fly some jets over Puntland at mach 1.5, maybe right over the Big Kahuna's mud hut? Give them an idea of who they are screwing with?

410 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:31pm

re: #390 Fenway_Nation

So, if we employ similar logic, we should not use seat belts, no?

411 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:51pm

re: #406 karmic_inquisitor

The Navy knows how its bread gets buttered - they make the request so the state dept / white house doesn't look weak and pitiful.

Gates has been taking hits for Obama on the defense cutting side as well.

We have to wait. Nothing much we can do about it other than that.

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:59pm

re: #362 So?

The US is sending in the FBI to do hostage negotiation with the vermin muslim Somali pirates. This is a military issue not a domestic FBI issue. These Somali boats should be blown out of the water as soon as they begin to approach any ship.

Hillary Clinton is a joke. Plus the irony here is that this ship is carrying relief goods for suffering Africans.

I thought the FBI was domestic and the CIA foreign? Does that make sense?

413 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:59pm

re: #405 jcm

I hear that Andrew Sullivan's favorite one

414 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:03pm

re: #354 mikeymom
Thanks {mikeymom} - how is mikeydad doing with his recovery?!

415 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:16pm

re: #408 trigger girlie

lol

I got my uniform, and a look of misery :( *at work

Aww sorry...:(

416 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:37pm

re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth

Socratic method, it is not my opinion, I am trying to infer yours...

417 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:55pm

re: #322 pink freud

grrrr ....don't get me started on cellphones! I just got one of the new 3G phones and the print on the screen is too small for me to read. Non-adjustable. Bad choice on my part; I should have gotten one with a red key, a green key, and 10 numeral buttons!

ROTFL! I know that it isn't funny when you have a mobile that is too complicated, but this one really is the first one that I have a problem with. My mistake was ordering it online. Next time I will go into a Verizon kiosk and take each one that seems to be within the realm of my comprehension, and test it out.

Small print would do me in. Yipes! I had to Google 3G mobiles!

I think I will have to run the info through Babel Fish. :)

418 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:07pm

re: #407 ggt

I think I finally figured out the mentality.

A disproportionate number of young black men die by gunshot. There for we need to get rid of guns.

If you don't want to get rid of guns, you are racist.

Faulty logic, but I think I figured it out.

Never mind the facts. That

a) the first gun control laws enacted in this country were specifically designed to disarm blacks. Jim Crow laws worked to keep recently freed black men and women enslaved. Also making it really convenient for this country's most notorious home-grown terrorist organization (the KKK) to target and murder any black individual they chose. (no lesson to be learned here--move on)

b) That the majority young black men that are dying are murdered by other young black men. Not by whites or cops. No notion of old men of any race, working to mentor young black men, or any attempt to "socially" engineer a way to encourage the fathers of these young men to take responsibility for their children. No encouragement of JROTC or military service during which these young men might learn discipline or the proper handling of a firearm. (no lesson here --move on)

c) "Manhood" is no longer culturally significant. The feminists and multi-culturists have successfully obliterated any values that once helped young men to measure themselves. Honesty, Integrity, Grit, Accomplishment are now "White Man" values that must be shunned. (no lesson here --move on)

Have I missed anything?

Not from where I'm sitting.

419 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:08pm

re: #405 jcm

Can I go as a kumquat?

Now that was a peach...:)

420 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:49pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

That's pretty complete. I think I've had pretty much all of those charges leveled at me over the past week or two.
If you criticize the movement, you're a leftist smear artist.

421 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:56pm

re: #414 realwest

Thanks {mikeymom} - how is mikeydad doing with his recovery?!

very good! frisky in fact! looking forward to his retirement on apr 27! now im in trouble!

422 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:43:15pm

re: #405 jcm

Can I go as a kumquat?

You might want to be sure ahead of time what kind of party you're going to attend. The results of any misinterpretation could be both messy and disastrous.
/

423 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:43:33pm

OK, this is kind of funny now. They're saying the Somali pirates on the German ship returned to port because they couldn't find the pirates with the captain of the Atlanta.

424 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:43:49pm

re: #274 jcm

What better reason to have a drink! Settle the stomach a bit.

I just finished a cup of tea...it should help. ;)

425 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:44:17pm

re: #419 Dustyvet

Now that was a peach...:)

Orange you glad the pun thread has started?

426 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:44:20pm

Returned to the coast that is:

MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Pirates on a German ship with 24 foreign hostages said on Saturday they had returned to the Somali coast after failing to locate the scene of a standoff involving an American captive on a drifting lifeboat.

Pirates had hoped to use the hijacked 20,000-tonne container vessel, Hansa Stavanger, as a "shield" to reach fellow pirates holding American ship captain Richard Phillips far out in the Indian Ocean. U.S. naval ships are close to the lifeboat.

[Link: thestar.com.my...]

427 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:44:40pm

re: #417 NY Nana

ROTFL! I know that it isn't funny when you have a mobile that is too complicated, but this one really is the first one that I have a problem with. My mistake was ordering it online. Next time I will go into a Verizon kiosk and take each one that seems to be within the realm of my comprehension, and test it out.

Small print would do me in. Yipes! I had to Google 3G mobiles!
what is this cell phone of which you speak? never had one--dont need--am o a luddite?
I think I will have to run the info through Babel Fish. :)

428 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:46:16pm

re: #427 mikeymom

opps--was axing what a cell phone was that you were speaking of--never had one--is it cool?

429 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:46:59pm

re: #405 jcm

Yes, you can go as a kumquat.

430 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:33pm

re: #411 Gus 802

We have to wait. Nothing much we can do about it other than that.

I don't know - we could take action against other pirate craft in the area. Hit them on the ground on shore and gather up some intelligence.

If the pirates holding the captain kill him, they are dead. They know that. So subjecting them to a slow bleed by taking out their confederates at least gives them some motivation for letting the guy go in hopes of getting out alive.

But geting on the phone to establish a sense of normalcy and calm only stiffens their spines and time then works against us, not for us IMO.

431 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:49pm

I can't stand that I have to "study" the owners manual for a full two hours to learn to work any new cell phone I get these days. I draw the line at taking a class.

I have a friend that had to take a class to learn to drive her new car. It was so computerized. . . . .

432 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:57pm

re: #416 eddiespaghetti

Socratic method, it is not my opinion, I am trying to infer yours...

Socratic method? You may wish to try some other method. Point to exactly what statement I have made in my previous comment which indicates that I have implied that anyone who attends such protests makes them a fruit.

433 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:00pm

re: #415 Dustyvet

eh, I love my job, but the lesson is: do NOT go out the whole day right before working for 7 hrs. ughh...

434 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:08pm

re: #400 Gus 802

Could be. This is like an air crash. You can't second guess anyone until we get the final NTSB report. The SEAL teams no doubt have been consulted and given their assessment of the situation. This just occurred last week so there's no sense in thinking that this can play out within a couple of days. Some hostage situations last for years as we have seen in Columbia with FARC.

This is like Dog Day Afternoon on the high seas. Suffice it to say that Naval officers have scant preparation for such a scenario. You might as well fly out an FBI contingent, people who know how to interact with cornered kidnappers. I agree that this thing has the potential of really dragging on.

435 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:21pm

re: #163 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I've always had a soft spot for God and Man at Yale, but Goldwater is good too.

Goldwater rocks. Read The Conscience of a Conservative.

436 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:55pm

hey , Slumbering!

437 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:04pm

re: #417 NY Nana

*sigh*

Nana, I will admit it to you and everyone: I am at the age where I JUST WANT THINGS TO STAY THE SAME! Is that TOO MUCH TO ASK!?

/NOT that I am getting OLD because I am NOT, I simply want ...simplicity!

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:07pm

re: #420 Killgore Trout


If you criticize the movement, you're a leftist smear artist.

That's one talking point that I missed. Thanks.

439 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:21pm

re: #412 ggt

I thought the FBI was domestic and the CIA foreign? Does that make sense?

Not if you treat it as a criminal matter. Then the FBI is point. Obama sees this as a criminal matter. Like a bank robbery.

440 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:34pm

re: #433 trigger girlie

eh, I love my job, but the lesson is: do NOT go out the whole day right before working for 7 hrs. ughh...

I've done that... and paid the price:P

441 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:51:10pm

re: #439 karmic_inquisitor

Not if you treat it as a criminal matter. Then the FBI is point. Obama sees this as a criminal matter. Like a bank robbery.

Ok, forgive my ignorance here. How can it be a criminal matter when the crime is so obviously outside US Jurisdiction?

442 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:51:29pm

re: #437 pink freud

*sigh*

Nana, I will admit it to you and everyone: I am at the age where I JUST WANT THINGS TO STAY THE SAME! Is that TOO MUCH TO ASK!?

/NOT that I am getting OLD because I am NOT, I simply want ...simplicity!


i like my turntable for my records--and i miss the rotary dial phones--sigh

443 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:39pm

re: #430 karmic_inquisitor

I don't know - we could take action against other pirate craft in the area. Hit them on the ground on shore and gather up some intelligence.

If the pirates holding the captain kill him, they are dead. They know that. So subjecting them to a slow bleed by taking out their confederates at least gives them some motivation for letting the guy go in hopes of getting out alive.

But geting on the phone to establish a sense of normalcy and calm only stiffens their spines and time then works against us, not for us IMO.

They're too spread out for any type of military strike to work. We're talking thousands of mile of Somali coast. There's also international laws to consider and civilian casualties. Regardless it would still be ineffective since they're such a "small" target. Even if we did carry out one strike it wouldn't stop them.

I think once we get beyond this situation we need to allow ship board security for these ships since this ain't gonna cut it. The short range goal should focus on that since Naval escorts are not cost effective. Kill the pirates during the act is the best goal.

444 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:51pm

re: #441 ggt

Ok, forgive my ignorance here. How can it be a criminal matter when the crime is so obviously outside US Jurisdiction?

You forget the One ins President. Nothing is outside of our jurisdiction anymore.

445 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:53pm

re: #403 mikeymom

thanks---did you watch the whole piece--how peeps w/traing did poorly? im not trying to start something --just--curious?

Read the article missed any video link.
It's amazing even with cops how poor the shooting is under stress. A classic shoot out in Ohio, cop and bad guy 10 feet apart multiple shots, no one gets hit.

Most cops qualify once a quarter. I go the to range at least once a month and shoot a qualify set. SEAL team members shoot thousands of rounds a week.

Training makes a difference, but the piece over plays it.

The Birmingham shooter expended nearly 100 rounds for 13 victims, the Virginia Tech shooter 300 round for 30+ victims.

Such shooters aren't expecting resistance, so any thing coming back at them is going to seriously upset their plans. Usually when confronted they cap themselves.

I think the piece seriously overplays the training bit.

That said, I recommend anyone who decides to carry to take a combat handgun course. And to mind game scenarios consistently. Like the story, in a class room a gunman comes in, visual every movement.

Lastly, firearm owner ship is secondary result is self defense against criminals.

The first purpose as intended, as needed is that an armed populace is impervious to tyranny.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:19pm

re: #436 trigger girlie

Hey, Trigger!

You at work? If so, email the url for this vid to your personal email for latter consumption. It is worth it for the lulz.

Youtube Video
447 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:12pm

re: #422 Slumbering Behemoth

What are you trying to say? Is the whole 'tea party' a front for crazy peeps like Glenn Beck, Stormfront, and the like? If it is, I want no part of it, but if its a grass roots coalition of peeps who don't like a 1.8 trillion debt per year, then I am with it.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:35pm

re: #444 Unakite

You forget the One ins President. Nothing is outside of our jurisdiction anymore.

I think I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

449 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:55pm

re: #434 Edouard

This is like Dog Day Afternoon on the high seas. Suffice it to say that Naval officers have scant preparation for such a scenario. You might as well fly out an FBI contingent, people who know how to interact with cornered kidnappers. I agree that this thing has the potential of really dragging on.

It does. Sort of makes me feel for the Naval command in this situation since they're not really trained for that sort of thing and they're having to deal with the politics.

450 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:05pm

re: #443 Gus 802

I think once we get beyond this situation we need to allow ship board security for these ships since this ain't gonna cut it. The short range goal should focus on that since Naval escorts are not cost effective. Kill the pirates during the act is the best goal.

If we aren't going to risk collateral damage by going after their land bases or the boats in transit, the only real solution is to mandate a convoy system for civilian vessals through the area and declare a free fire zone on any vessal approaching within 1000 yds of a convoy vessal or escort.

451 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:30pm

re: #449 Gus 802

It does. Sort of makes me feel for the Naval command in this situation since they're not really trained for that sort of thing and they're having to deal with the politics.

Wasn't there a time when part of any Navy's role was to combat pirates?

452 WindHorse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:40pm

re: #437 pink freud

smile! (good luck)

453 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:56:14pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

We may be related! My youngest is still single, and we have a set of Passover dishes for the youngest that we bought for the 8-year old, and it has been used by her, the 6-year old and now the 2 1/2 year old. I asked my youngest if we should save it for him...and I swear it was the first time I ever asked or even hinted. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights! He mumbled something that re 'That ain't going to happen soon, but save them'...

I nearly had to gag one of my daughters in law, as she started. I do not know what made me ask, but it was spontaneous.

NY Grampa was actually startled.

The 2 1/2 year old, assisted by the 6 year old, did the 4 questions in a mixture of English and Hebrew..it was the highlight of the evening.

I definitely think that your Dad was sending you a message!

G'nite, all. I am really wasted. But it was worth every nano-second!

454 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:56:29pm

re: #447 eddiespaghetti

What are you trying to say? Is the whole 'tea party' a front for crazy peeps like Glenn Beck, Stormfront, and the like? If it is, I want no part of it, but if its a grass roots coalition of peeps who don't like a 1.8 trillion debt per year, then I am with it.

No- it's the crazies trying to use a populist movement to mainstream themselves. It's called entryism.

455 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:08pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

No- it's the crazies trying to use a populist movement to mainstream themselves. It's called entryism.

Like what the vb and the other euro-fascist groups did to the counter-jihad.

456 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:12pm

re: #451 ggt

Wasn't there a time when part of any Navy's role was to combat pirates?

About 200 years ago - but that was well before the nuanced foreign policy that is being practiced today. Then there wasn't a UN to defer decisions to....(as if the UN makes decisions that aren't anti-US or anti-Israel).

457 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:25pm

re: #445 jcm
tyvm--im still trying to come to terms with it--your response helped!

458 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:40pm

re: #440 Dustyvet

lol, yeah, whats worse is that I see people going to bed now, and I am just starting my shift ;arghh!

459 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:15pm

re: #450 Athos

If we aren't going to risk collateral damage by going after their land bases or the boats in transit, the only real solution is to mandate a convoy system for civilian vessals through the area and declare a free fire zone on any vessal approaching within 1000 yds of a convoy vessal or escort.

That could work. Might be time to reassess some naval tactics and provide smaller and faster ships and boats. Short of arming the maritime vessels.

460 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:32pm

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks :) I THINK I fell asleep about 10 min ago, but not sure. I hate not having youtube here...

461 WindHorse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:40pm

re: #453 NY Nana

worth every nanosecond....

462 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:42pm

re: #451 ggt

Wasn't there a time when part of any Navy's role was to combat pirates?

Long ago. You'd have to ask someone else when but it's been reported in the news and discussed. Blowing them out of the water is the best strategy.

463 mikeymom  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:52pm

weet dreams all good and righteous lizards--tis late--

464 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:03pm

re: #441 ggt

Ok, forgive my ignorance here. How can it be a criminal matter when the crime is so obviously outside US Jurisdiction?

Ask Secy Hillary. She publicly declared the pirates to be "criminals."

465 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:31pm

re: #457 mikeymom

tyvm--im still trying to come to terms with it--your response helped!

Your welcome.

Final note. Consider the source.

Gun Control: Myths and Realities CATO Institute.

466 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:57pm

re: #456 Athos

About 200 years ago - but that was well before the nuanced foreign policy that is being practiced today. Then there wasn't a UN to defer decisions to....(as if the UN makes decisions that aren't anti-US or anti-Israel).

ah

467 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:21pm

re: #364 Athos
If I knew that Athos I'd surely tell y'all. But I don't know. But who knows, politicians being politicians, if they ever understand that - IMO - these Tea Parties are for REAL, they are (the whackos, Paulians and all the rest notwithstanding) seriously concerned with Obama proposing a budget that CALLS FOR A $1.5 TRILLION DEFICIT; That Obama's tax increases aren't only for the "rich"; that mortgage relief isn't intended to help them, that we have an 8.5% Unemployment rate and something like an 11% underemployment rate, that we are only cutting Federal Funding in the area of Defense Spending, maybe they'll jump on board with us and say NO, we want to freeze all "freezable" Federal Spending, we don't want National Healthcare (which, btw, accounts for HALF of that $1.5 Trillion deficit) that we want ALL AMERICANS to take responsibility for their own financing and that we want the crooked CEO's and their enablers in Government to get shit canned and maybe jailed and, MOSTLY we want CAPTIALISM and a Government that is responsible to it's people - the kind of government that recognizes that the People are THEIR employers, then maybe we'll find one or more than one. All I seem to be hearing or reading is that it (this current economic/foreign policy debacle) is the fault of the right - WE have to provide answers to Obamas idiocy. We're supposed to be the loyal Opposition; we are supposed to say NO - come up with something better for the American People. And everytime anyone on the right proposes anything that might be worthwhile the Democrats and the MSM shoot it all to pieces so the rest of the people -when they finally hear about it - naturally treat it as damaged goods.
Who knows Athos my friend, if we capitulate to the Pirates - especially with their "reinforcements" that'll be the step that puts many, many more of us on the Tea Party kind of course (again, without the Paulian, Beck and other kooks and idiots,fools and opportunitsts).

468 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:37pm

re: #452 WindHorse

smile! (good luck)

I do! I even type in smiles. I just want *some* things to not change. That's not too much to ask, is it? :-)

469 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:48pm

re: #462 Gus 802

Long ago. You'd have to ask someone else when but it's been reported in the news and discussed. Blowing them out of the water is the best strategy.

Zero Tolerance

470 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:49pm

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I am late to this thread, but I can't help but notice that since Charles has closed the Lounge all kinds of kooks are coming out of the wood work. Good why to weed out the bad apples.

471 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:00pm

re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth

Speaking only for myself, mind you, I can sum up my utter contempt for that piece of shit in two words:

Fucking "blowback".

The rest of his ugly ideology is just icing on the contempt cake.

For the lurkers that may not remember, the "blowback" moment.

Sounds more like a leftist appeasement monkey than any conservative I have ever spoken with.

472 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:41pm

re: #470 Erik The Red

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I am late to this thread, but I can't help but notice that since Charles has closed the Lounge all kinds of kooks are coming out of the wood work. Good why to weed out the bad apples.

WAY.

PIMF

473 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:47pm

Me: So if you go to a tea party event you are a fruit?

You: Is that your opinion?

Me: Socratic method, it is not my opinion, I am trying to infer yours...

You: Socratic method? You may wish to try some other method. Point to exactly what statement I have made in my previous comment which indicates that I have implied that anyone who attends such protests makes them a fruit.

Me: I didn't infer that, that is the beauty of the socratic method...

474 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:04pm

re: #464 Edouard

Ask Secy Hillary. She publicly declared the pirates to be "criminals."

I think I just had another "AHA" moment.

The One World Government is here. At least in some minds.

Now, it all makes sense.

I definitely picked the wrong day to top sniffing glue.

475 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:43pm

re: #470 Erik The Red

Good morning, Erik!

476 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:59pm

re: #365 ggt

I saw that same comment thread.

Nice to see that sentiment expressed from time to time, but it is uncommon.

I have a German exchange student with us this month. Nice kid. Smart. And he comes brainwashed.

So I told him flat out today that he need no longer worry - America may be getting out of the world police business.

I pointed out that, with Obama in charge, the US will cut back its military. Europe will be more vulnerable. And when he is out of office and the Republicans return, we won't feel compelled to re-commit to European freedom. Europe has shown it is not interested in the freedom of Iraqis or Afghanis - so why should we be bothered with Europe's?

"But there is trade to think about ..." he said.

I pointed out to him that Europeans were the first to do business with China after Tienanmen and that the firms that cheated Iraq's poor by doing business with Saddam were European. So America has no reason to fear our trade relationship with Europe would suffer if we did something Europe doesn't like.

So that has him thinking.

I am not a John Bircher, but I do think it is time to reduce our footprint in NATO. Europe should pay the social and economic costs of having to defend itself instead of screwing us constantly in "soft power" gamesmanship.

477 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:04:59pm

re: #405 jcm

Can I go as a kumquat?


Sure, it's come as you are!
:)

478 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:07pm

re: #441 ggt

Ok, forgive my ignorance here. How can it be a criminal matter when the crime is so obviously outside US Jurisdiction?

American flagged vessel. And on the high seas, we can basically do whatever we want.

479 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:16pm

re: #464 Edouard

Ask Secy Hillary. She publicly declared the pirates to be "criminals."

It was the Clinton Admin treating the first WTC bombing as a "criminal" matter that lead to 9/11

Seizing a US Flagged vessel isn't "criminal" is Casus Belli.

480 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:18pm

re: #458 trigger girlie

lol, yeah, whats worse is that I see people going to bed now, and I am just starting my shift ;arghh!

WQish I could stand your watch for you, I'm wide awake...:(

481 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:24pm

re: #474 ggt

I think I just had another "AHA" moment.

The One World Government is here. At least in some minds.

Now, it all makes sense.

I definitely picked the wrong day to top sniffing glue.

You might have that slightly reversed. It may be a good day to start sniffing glue. :)

482 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:28pm

re: #447 eddiespaghetti

What are you trying to say? Is the whole 'tea party' a front for crazy peeps like Glenn Beck, Stormfront, and the like? If it is, I want no part of it, but if its a grass roots coalition of peeps who don't like a 1.8 trillion debt per year, then I am with it.

You might try finding your event at taxdayteaparty.com; there are forums there, where you may be able to get a feel for the type of people who will be attending the tea party you're interested in.

The tea parties are not a front for crazy people. This is a grassroots movement. That doesn't mean crazy people won't show up, of course, but I guess you have to decide how determined you are to exercise your constitutional right. If it were me, I'd go, and if I was uncomfortable with the tone of it for some reason, I'd get in my car and leave.

Good luck.

483 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:46pm

re: #477 realwest

Sure, it's come as you are!
:)

Yippee!

484 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:07pm

Sorry folks, I'd love to stay, but I gotta get some sleep NOW!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

485 trigger girlie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:44pm

re: #480 Dustyvet

that sucks :( Well, I wish I was wide awake...

which area of Lake Co are you in, if not a complete secret?

486 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:44pm

re: #476 karmic_inquisitor

I'm trying to understand the line between Isolationism and Interdependence.

"Good Fences make good neighbors" is the best I can come-up with so far.

The co-dependents have been running things too long.

487 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:44pm

re: #469 ggt

Zero Tolerance

Yep. And at least one vulcan canon, 24 M-16s, 24 9 MM, and 6 RPGS per vessel.

Oh, and cut all US Aid to Somalia.

488 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:59pm

re: #484 realwest

Sorry folks, I'd love to stay, but I gotta get some sleep NOW!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Night Real. Sleep well.

489 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:07:51pm

re: #483 jcm

Yippee!

Why is there a drunk kumquat swinging on the chandler?

490 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:08:06pm

re: #482 capitalist piglet

Word, good advice friend.

491 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:08:10pm

re: #447 eddiespaghetti

What are you trying to say? That if I don't agree to completely ignore and gloss over a highly toxic fringe element that has the great potential to poison and drown out a otherwise positive message, that I am in favor of trillion dollar debt?

/like that

492 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:08:59pm

Amazing that these vessels don't have any weapons on them. I used to work on cruise ships (bandleader) and I know there was a gun locker on the thing, I saw it. Something has changed, probably insurance rules or international treaties.

493 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:19pm

re: #478 karmic_inquisitor

American flagged vessel. And on the high seas, we can basically do whatever we want.

Isn't there any branch of government that is "designated" to handle situations in open water? To my little brain US Criminal Law ends at that invisible line out in the water (There is some Number of Miles off-shore that constitutes the jurisdiction of of Boundries --can't remember what it is).

IIRC, anything outside that line is NOT Domestic.

My brain is hurting.

494 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:39pm

FNC is reporting that the pirate controlled German hostage ship has turned back to port, unable to locate the lifeboat.

/we’ll see what happens, but this circus has already gone on way long enough

495 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:53pm

re: #469 ggt

Zero Tolerance

I think that would make it very easy for the scumbag pie-rats to figure out they will die if they try to take one of our ships. It is not politically correct and may even seem downright mean, but it would work.

496 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:15pm

re: #481 Unakite

You might have that slightly reversed. It may be a good day to start sniffing glue. :)

Knaw, I don't want to become someone who may benefit from a gubernet program.

497 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:41pm

re: #467 realwest

It was, in all honesty, a rhetorical question as I don't think many of us really see any leaders stepping forward. It's as if they don't want to step forward and accept the bullseye on the back and the arrows that result from willing to be a leader.

You do articulate a good portion of what is the compelling vision and message that needs to get communicated. The message has to be about what is best for the country based on historical information and that we are doing nothing but repeating the failures of the 1930's - just trying to do them with more money as if the reason for the failure was the lack of effort not the bankruptcy of the policy.

Given the MSM losing all pretences of being a fourth estate (more like a fifth column), there is the challenge of how to engage new media to get the message out without being compromised by the fringe elements of the right or the left. Of course, as we've learned here - we can't ignore those fringe elements as they have to be called out for their insanity and fringe looniness.

I'm glad to hear that you and your mother survived the rough weather this afternoon and early evening.

498 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:11:22pm

re: #489 Dustyvet

Why is there a drunk kumquat swinging on the chandler?

Is that a drink kumquat? Who knew, I thought it was a lemur in costume. I was wondering why I didn't remember it was Halloween.

Thanks

499 Unakite  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:16pm

re: #496 ggt

Knaw, I don't want to become someone who may benefit from a gubernet program.

Free glue?

500 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:37pm

re: #470 Erik The Red

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I am late to this thread, but I can't help but notice that since Charles has closed the Lounge all kinds of kooks are coming out of the wood work. Good why to weed out the bad apples.

Unfortunately the kooks seem to not need to hide in the lounge - they just seem to slither on in during the open registration, expose themselves as the clueless pinheads they are, and are quickly roasted on the spit.

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:39pm

re: #495 Desert Dog

I think that would make it very easy for the scumbag pie-rats to figure out they will die if they try to take one of our ships. It is not politically correct and may even seem downright mean, but it would work.

It is human nature. Same as it has ever been. We have a moral responsiblity to LIVE. That means protecting our interests and our property.

I don't think it is downright mean.

502 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:16pm

re: #491 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow, indeed, I think we are on the same page. Lay it out...

I thought u were trying to say that anyone who attends a tea party event is a stormfront, glenn beck, end is neigh douche....

503 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:21pm

re: #499 Unakite

Free glue?

Well, when you put it that way.

:0

504 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:46pm

oooooh, Open Thread Upstairs -------------------->

505 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:48pm

re: #492 rawmuse

Amazing that these vessels don't have any weapons on them. I used to work on cruise ships (bandleader) and I know there was a gun locker on the thing, I saw it. Something has changed, probably insurance rules or international treaties.

Maritime Security - Guns on Board

506 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:58pm

Forget about arming cargo ships and crew, unless you're going to temporarily provide them with a trained military contingent only for the transit through Indian country.

/they couldn't get reasonable insurance and they wouldn't be allowed into most ports

507 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:04pm

re: #501 ggt

It is human nature. Same as it has ever been. We have a moral responsiblity to LIVE. That means protecting our interests and our property.

I don't think it is downright mean.

That was an attempt at sarcasm.....I think stealing and killling is mean....protecting your life and property is not

508 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:55pm

re: #505 Desert Dog

Maritime Security - Guns on Board

Youtube Video

Vulcan canon: kills skiffs dead.

509 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:29pm

re: #493 ggt

We have all sorts of governments claiming jurisdiction on matters outside their borders.

Spain indicted Pinochet for things he did in Chile

The US taxes Americans overseas for income they earn overseas.

Germany looked into indicting Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes.

It is a right old mess. No refuge for libertarians.

510 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:48pm

re: #473 eddiespaghetti

Socratic method. Ur doin it rong.

Your line of questioning has yet to force me to trip on my dick with my own rhetoric, and thus render my original post invalid by my own words. You're swinging at smoke.

I have responded to your questions in similar kind, as an exercise. Not really Socratic Inquiry at all, not from you nor me.

511 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:01pm

re: #479 jcm

It was the Clinton Admin treating the first WTC bombing as a "criminal" matter that lead to 9/11

Seizing a US Flagged vessel isn't "criminal" is Casus Belli.

Oh no doubt. The x-factor, of course, is the live American aboard the pirate craft. Right now, as long as he remains alive it's all about not leaving the man behind, I believe as far as the Navy's concerned.

That's why I don't see the vessel being blown up, not until after the American captain is off the vessel or dead. But I would agree with you, this is a war provocation and we are within our rights to blow them to kingdom come if we deem so.

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:52pm

re: #509 karmic_inquisitor

" It is a right old mess. No refuge for libertarians."

Nor Librarians, if the tea party tapes are anything to go by.

If there is free glue available, well, I'll have to think about it. Somehow, I don't trust anything free.

513 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:45pm

re: #511 Edouard

But I would agree with you, this is a war provocation and we are within our rights to blow them to kingdom come if we deem so.

I agree, but remember that much of the President's base don't consider 9/11/01 as an act of war.

514 Cheechako  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:23:03pm

re: #494 Killian Bundy

FNC is reporting that the pirate controlled German hostage ship has turned back to port, unable to locate the lifeboat.

/we’ll see what happens, but this circus has already gone on way long enough


Actually it's good that this stand-off has lasted this long. The time delay has given the Navy adequate time to move in the necessary assets to the scene. I would guess the Navy has moved a SEAL Team into the area along with additional helicopters. The SEAL Team probably has submersibles that can get very close to the life-boat.

515 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:13pm

re: #502 eddiespaghetti

Wow, indeed, I think we are on the same page. Lay it out...

I thought u were trying to say that anyone who attends a tea party event is a stormfront, glenn beck, end is neigh douche....

No. I will quote my original post:

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

So this is the message I have managed to cobble together from those adamant at obfuscating and glossing over the "Breakfast Cereal Contingent" (fruits, nuts, and flakes) of this Tea Party MovementTM:

-If you don't join The MovementTM, you are a coward.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're a lazy do-nothing.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're de facto casting a vote for Obama's next term.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, and participate in their street-theater protests, you're a basement dweller who never goes outside to breath fresh air of feel sunlight.
-If you don't join The MovementTM, you're burying your head in the sand and refusing to see The Truth.

Am I missing any of their talking points?

My point here is that there are those that are so ideologically driven, and so damned aroused and excited about this Tea Party thing that not only do they want to ignore and excuse the distasteful fringe element that is seeping into this movement, they want to sling slurs at those who see this detrimental and damaging fringe for what it is.

516 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:24pm

re: #514 Cheechako

Actually it's good that this stand-off has lasted this long. The time delay has given the Navy adequate time to move in the necessary assets to the scene. I would guess the Navy has moved a SEAL Team into the area along with additional helicopters. The SEAL Team probably has submersibles that can get very close to the life-boat.

I'm guessing they've already been there for at least a day.

/the Fifth Fleet's based in Bahrain

517 Former Belgian  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:02:33am

re: #37 Egregious Philbin

How many times will "sheeple" be uttered by the Paulistas?

(ironic in that they all use the same word?)

Hey, don't insult Sao Paulo residents :-)

(They're called "Paulistas" in Portuguese.)

518 landivar  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:22:39am

Look, are you guys going to give up some your beliefs in smaller government because some people you disagree with also believe in smaller government?
Thats silly. The whole idea behind the tea party movement is a simple message: lower taxes and lower spending. We can find common ground with others on that message, and then fight them on the other messages we disagree on. If we refuse to cooperate with others in areas we all agree on, the tax and spend types will always win.

There is a very good analogy here from our founders. The northern states and several of our founders wanted to ban slavery, but they compromised on that and focused on issues that could be agreed on, until a later date. The issue at hand was defeating the British and establish a "more perfect union." We did that, then a couple generations later when we were secure as a nation we hashed out the issue of slavery and banned it. If we had let these (very important) differences divide us we would never have become a country.

Another example is the US and the USSR in WW2. We joined forces to defeat a common enemy despite the horrors of communism. Then when we had defeated that enemy we fought the cold war against each other and eventually capitalism triumphed.
Although it may sound like I am arguing for selling out or making a deal with the Devil, I am not. I am arguing that we should unite on the issues we agree on and fight over those we don't. If we fight with others even on the issues we agree on, then we will ultimately lose.
The gun lobby is a good example of this; by sticking to a single issue its been able to (along with a massive grass roots movement) turn back the tide of gun control in this country. Nowadays even democrats are starting to see the error of their gun banning ways and have started siding with the NRA. We free marketeers can do the same thing, we should all unite as capitalists over issues we agree on. Instead of thinking as "Republican" or "Democrat", "Independent," "Libertarian" etc, we should push single issues very, very hard. We should form a grass roots around the issues we care about. By doing this we ensure that the issues diffuse through BOTH parties, and not just the one.

519 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:33:30am

re: #518 landivar

Look, are you guys going to give up some your beliefs in smaller government because some people you disagree with also believe in smaller government?
Thats silly

I agree. The false dichotomy you present here is absolutely silly.

520 The Other Les  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:38:39am

re: #1 Thanos

Speaking of the vast zionist conspiracy, where is my check?
/

Where the frak is my check?

//

521 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:39:45am

re: #518 landivar

Your argument is the same one that theocratic socons make to keep holding the Republican party hostage to their Religious Right agenda, and the same one that those antijihadis make that have decided to cozy up to eurofascists.

It sucks for them, and it sucks for you, on two different levels. Not only are such alliances with antidemocratic folks inherently immoral, they also lose many more people than they gain, since the sensible center will quite rightly never ally with such people, and you become discredited in their eyes by your own willingness to associate with people of that odious and excrable ilk.

522 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:22:26am
523 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:52:06am

re: #209 realwest

Did you read what I wrote?

524 notutopia  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:25:35am

Please, Let the Paulians stay home!
And, stay off our site!

525 jcbunga  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:18am

War mongers?

For that lie--and others--we shall grind them beneath the treads of our tanks.

OT: Just got a new Dell PC with the i7 chip...first new system that actually feels like an improvement over the previous. This beast is remarkable.

526 born conservative  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:32am

re: #482 capitalist piglet

Unfortunately, the event in my area is being sponsored by a Ron Paul group -- I don't want to be associated with them, so I won't be going. Until we get a leader who can take a public stand against certain Paulist positions on our behalf, they will glom onto our side. To make matters worse, Ron Paul is one of a tiny group of people who actually understands correct monetary policy -- "Meltdown" by Thomas Woods.

527 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:43:50am

The NYC Tea Party has its list of speakers here: [Link: www.parcbench.com...]

I'll attend, but if I think the group has been hijacked, I'm out of there!

528 freetoken  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:20:22am

re: #527 quickjustice

Well, good luck. These sort of things draw kooks like meat does vultures - take your camera!

I have more confidence that the New Yorkers will run an upfront show, than in other places of the country where there is a higher percentage of recently unemployed, which the Luap Nor-ites can exploit.

529 doppelganglander  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #41 burntjohn

We are not mind numbed groupthinktards.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE!

Does anyone else see the logical inconsistency here?

530 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #41 burntjohn

That is exactly what we should all want.
I want a freak show.

If you want to be part of a freak show, then join the circus.

The rest of us want to win an election.

531 jvic  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:05am

re: #521 Salamantis

I agree that single-issue alliances with antidemocrats are immoral. I agree that they will alienate centrist voters if political news is reported honestly (as a practical matter, most MSM are biased for the left).

Furthermore, IMHO, antidemocrats will pour in resources when an issue suits their larger purpose and withdraw resources when it doesn't. Unreliable allies at best; treacherous at worst.

532 Spar Kling  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:53:29am

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

It happens. :-) Actually, I think the perception has more to do with the frequency of topics here than if we simply went down a list. I freely admit that I'm very skeptical rather than mainstream on one famous topic. And my best friend and I disagree vehemently on it too. We're still friends, though.

In my experience, it's much easier to completely reject a person as a fraud and a fool when encountering a disagreement. This is precisely what astonished David Horowitz in Radical Son when he left the Communist cause. He lost many or most of his dearest friends.

It's also why I avoid arguing politics with my NPR-addicted colleagues. It will simply make them hostile and I won't change their precious world view.

-sk

533 Spar Kling  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:41:07am

re: #336 ArchangelMichael

I think that describes it pretty well. Back in my libertarian days I was slowly sucked into all kinds of ridiculous paranoid conspiracies that slowly crept up on me and were easy to fall into when they come at you slowly and in small portions. One kook belief feeds another and it becomes a vicious cycle. After awhile you are completely in kook land and don't even notice it.

Since I'm not a fool by nature, a few things I ran into in kook-land woke me up from the trance and shook me back into reality. Eventually I left the LP entirely after 9-11. I'm totally embarrassed at some of the crap I believed in during the 90s and thats probably the reason why I have zero fucking tolerance for this crap anymore.

Very well put! There are indeed facts and reasoning behind some of these, and heaven help us, a very few might even be true, but we should avoid being recruited into someone's "cult" of uncritical believers. This obviously includes political and religious cults, but I think we all are susceptible to others including scientific cults, artistic cults, personality cults, medical treatment cults, historical-revisionist cults, and so on.

In my opinion, every movement or idea in society has their highly motivated recruiters and sales people who want to gain a following. I'm not sure that I want to be completely critical about everything that I hear and read--that might make me into a different kind of kook. I guess the trick to avoiding the crap is to know when to "get off the train" as you did.

-sk

534 Spar Kling  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 12:17:36pm

re: #349 Edouard

Don't forget "Bohemian Grove."

Notice the spittle-flecked desperation in the mannerisms of anyone who discusses that topic; such a person is actually saying to you, "I'm a wild-eyed obsessive-compulsive who doesn't get out much."

I love your description! And I sometimes have to deflect these people, too.

However, more practically, I do know that progressives* are very good at gaining control of ordinary organizations for their own cause. I saw it happen in two college organizations that I once belonged to, and I've heard other people noting similar experiences. Most recently, someone I know who used to exhibit at the Maker Faire (sponsored by Make magazine) is now quitting because he feels that it's being taken over by these political zealots.

* Progressives: A mix of wild-eyed utopians, socialist do-gooders and busy bodies, and plain old communists.

-sk

535 MJBrutus  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:11:38pm

re: #166 Thanos

And if you are going to a Tea party, be prepped to shut those idiots down. Know the groups they are going to bring up. There are enough leftists tied to the RP Revolution that I sometimes suspect that they are there to purposefully tear up the right by bolstering the kook kontingent.

Thanks all for the advice and info. I'm planning on checking out the one in Raleigh here. Hopefully it will be a gathering of sane folks who are simply out to express their displeasure with the massive and irresponsible debt (I know, the word "responsible" is writ large on every flagrantly irresponsible act this President proposes or signs), disregard of our Constitutional limits on government and social engineering that we're seeing.

I'll post to let everyone know what I find :-)


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