Saturday Morning Music: Crowded House, ‘World Where You Live’
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A great song and a great video, from the first album: Crowded House.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:16:32am |
Repost from previous thread:
The pirate situation gets worse:
www.foxnews.com...]>
U.S.-Owned Tugboat With Italians Aboard Hijacked Off Somalia
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uncle_monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:18:53am |
About 30 years ago on a Saturday morning, I chased the members of Split Enz around Tower Records with my colored letraset markers, insisting they sign their new album "True Colors" in "True Colors".
Yeah, a laser etched LP.
They put on an incredible show the following night - they were as now immaculate musicians and showmen. When the sound system at the Keystone Palo Alto died, Noel Crombie played spoons for about 10 minutes until they got it back up.
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spinmore Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:19:04am |
Just imagine for a minute (OK a second) . . .
. . . if 'Dubya' had been the president of Harvard Law Review and had NO (absolutely NO) real legal scholarship to lay claim to; yet found the time and motivation to write (2) two books about SELF! Wow - just imagine. And this folks is the world we live in.
This misguided narcissist is 'runnin' the show'. Hey MS where's your disdain? - your hate? - your self-righteous critiques?
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:19:05am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Repost from previous thread:
The pirate situation gets worse:
U.S.-Owned Tugboat With Italians Aboard Hijacked Off Somalia
We will continue to get pushed around until our POTUS wakes up.
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Cathypop Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:19:23am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
This pirate situation is turning into a huge FUBAR!
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:21:39am |
re: #5 NYCHardhat
We will continue to get pushed around until
our POTUS wakes upwe get a new president.
I don't think FCBBHO will wake up.
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solomonpanting Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:22:20am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Somali pirates holding a US captain hostage warned on Saturday that using force to free him would end in "disaster,"
That's actually true! But not in the way they imagine.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:22:56am |
re: #5 NYCHardhat
We will continue to get pushed around until our POTUS wakes up.
Which will not happen in this case. Barack Hussein Obama likes the idea of a bunch of Somali pirates humiliating the United States Navy.
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Cathypop Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:26:23am |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Which will not happen in this case. Barack Hussein Obama likes the idea of a bunch of Somali pirates humiliating the United States Navy.
And Oshit will find some way to blame it all on the U.S. Navy.
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:27:15am |
Speaking of crowded house, those somali boats are getting pretty crowded as they just captured a tugboat with 16 aboard. Meanwhile Jimmuh Hussein Obama has been debating the options. That's right , keep hold meetings Jimmuh Obama.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:29:41am |
re: #10 Cathypop
And Oshit will find some way to blame it all on the U.S. Navy.
Agreed. He likes the idea of shipping companies being forced to pay ransoms and protection money, it fits his "share the wealth" ideas. Words fail me when it comes to describing my feeling towards that person in the White House. I'll just say that I despise him.
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Kronocide Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:30:43am |
The United States negotiating with pirates?
Doesn't that just sound insane?
I think there needs to be a UN resolution on pirates. Hopefully most countries can agree on one.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:30:51am |
Posting will be sporadic this weekend, folks.
Got a lot to do.
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Kragar Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:31:59am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Repost from previous thread:
The pirate situation gets worse:
U.S.-Owned Tugboat With Italians Aboard Hijacked Off Somalia
The most powerful military in the world means jack shit if no one will give the order to engage
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freetoken Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:32:52am |
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ctrlL Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:34:04am |
Have a nice Easter, Charles. Hope you have some time to relax and reflect on whatever makes you happy.
Thank you for what you do and for your work with LGF.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:34:25am |
re: #14 Charles
Posting will be sporadic this weekend, folks.
Got a lot to do.
I smell an opportunity for a coup d'eta!
/
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:35:23am |
re: #14 Charles
Posting will be sporadic this weekend, folks.
Got a lot to do.
Have a great weekend Charles!
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:35:34am |
Jordan: Arab nations committed to two-state solution
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Sure you do: One for Fatah and One for Hamas?
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:36:22am |
Blow them out of the water. Aren't there enough snipers, seals etc. to take each of these guys out simultaneously, so they don't even get a shot off?
I lived the music of the early 80s. Crowded house, FIX, Simple Minds, etc etc.
I though music had finally entered a new phase as there was a gap from 75-80...
except for Bowie.
Better than the DREK being played today.....shake your booty beyonce, your music won't last 3 years.
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:36:50am |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The most powerful military in the world means jack shit if no one will give the order to engage
ENGAGE!
---Admiral So?
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:38:50am |
re: #14 Charles
Posting will be sporadic this weekend, folks.
Got a lot to do.
You want me to take over?
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Capitalist Tool Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:40:07am |
Scenario:
US warship maneuvers to w/in say, 100 yds of the Somali dinghy where the good Cpt. Phillips is being held. If there are 10 pirates in the small boat, then 30 Marines with 2X-scoped M-14s are lined up along the rails and lying in wait just out of view.
The instant the jabberwock with the gun to the Captain's head looks away, all 30 Marines rise up and BAM!
A small contingent of SEALS immediately race to the scene and pluck Cpt. Phillips from the pirate craft and gather the corpses to hang over the side of the US warship as dock bumpers while they cruise the coast of Somalia and level all of those pirate mansions we've been hearing about.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:40:31am |
re: #23 Noam Sayin'
You want me to take over?
No, he just wants the lizard army to behave itself while the general is away on leave.
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spinmore Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:41:05am |
re: #14 Charles
. . . hope us newer hatchlings will be safe around here
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:42:19am |
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:42:59am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:43:00am |
re: #26 spinmore
. . . hope us newer hatchlings will be safe around here
Read, memorize and follow the rules and you'll be all set!
Oh ,, yes ,, one other thing to insure your safety,,ALWAYS UPDING MY POSTS!
//
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:43:56am |
The Finn Bros, pre-Crowded House
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solomonpanting Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:44:21am |
re: #13 BigPapa
The United States negotiating with pirates?
Doesn't that just sound insane?
I think there needs to be a UN resolution on pirates. Hopefully most countries can agree on one.
The vice president of the Philippines, the nation with the largest number of sailors held captive by Somali pirates, appealed for the safety of hostages to be ensured in the standoff.
"We hope that before launching any tactical action against the pirates, the welfare of every hostage is guaranteed and ensured," said Vice President Noli de Castro. "Moreover, any military action is best done in consultation with the United Nations to gain the support and cooperation of other countries."By the time that happens, pirate offspring will be taking over the "business".
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:44:28am |
re: #26 spinmore
. . . hope us newer hatchlings will be safe around here
Hmmmmm, tasty hatchling.... *droool*
/ just kidding Hi and welcome
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:44:32am |
This post is for Zombie:
You just can't make this shit up..
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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spinmore Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:44:47am |
re: #28 VegasRick
Sorry . . just paid the cell phone bill. (Oooyy!)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:45:14am |
re: #13 BigPapa
The United States negotiating with pirates?
Doesn't that just sound insane?
I think there needs to be a UN resolution on pirates. Hopefully most countries can agree on one.
Yes ,, because we all know how well UN resolutions work!
say what? umm,,,, huh !?!?!?!?
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:46:03am |
re: #37 sattv4u2
Yes ,, because we all know how well UN resolutions work!
say what? umm,,,, huh !?!?!?!?
All of the priates I know fear nothing, except a little piece of paper from the UN with signatures on it....THAT terrifies them!
/
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:46:34am |
re: #38 Desert Dog
All of the PIRATES I know fear nothing, except a little piece of paper from the UN with signatures on it....THAT terrifies them!
/
pimf
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:46:59am |
re: #35 HoosierHoops
This post is for Zombie:
You just can't make this shit up..
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
"With my daughter at the airport I was startled by a paparazzo, who I quite understandably mistook for a zombie," he said.
The stupid is strong with this one.
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:47:20am |
re: #35 HoosierHoops
This post is for Zombie:
You just can't make this shit up..
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Trouble differentiating acting from the real world......
Speaks volumes about Hollyweird.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:47:27am |
re: #38 Desert Dog
All of the priates I know fear nothing, except a little piece of paper from the UN with signatures on it....THAT terrifies them!
/
Captain Hook ,,,, "the jig is up ,, the UN has agreed on a (shudder) ,,, RESOLUTION!"
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:47:29am |
re: #38 Desert Dog
All of the priates I know fear nothing, except a little piece of paper from the UN with signatures on it....THAT terrifies them!
/
Paper cuts hurt, you know.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:47:42am |
re: #30 sattv4u2
Up ding whore. ;)
Afternoon all. How's things today? Besides the usual world crappiness.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:47:57am |
re: #40 DEZes
"With my daughter at the airport I was startled by a paparazzo, who I quite understandably mistook for a zombie," he said.
The stupid is strong with this one.
Well his father gunned down a Federal Judge, so the acorn doesn't have to fall to far from the tree?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:48:25am |
re: #44 BlueCanuck
Up ding whore. ;)
Afternoon all. How's things today? Besides the usual world crappiness.
I prefer UPDING PrOFESSIONAL ESCORT, if you don;'t mind!
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:49:53am |
re: #45 Nevergiveup
Well his father gunned down a Federal Judge, so the acorn doesn't have to fall to far from the tree?
When Woody Harrelson dies, I want his brain.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:49:55am |
re: #35 HoosierHoops
This post is for Zombie:
You just can't make this shit up..
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
"I wrapped a movie called 'Zombieland,' in which I was constantly under assault by zombies, then flew to New York, still very much in character," Harrelson said in a statement issued Friday by his publicist.
"With my daughter at the airport I was startled by a paparazzo, who I quite understandably mistook for a zombie," he said.
SNIP
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:49:59am |
re: #40 DEZes
"With my daughter at the airport I was startled by a paparazzo, who I quite understandably mistook for a zombie," he said.
The stupid is strong with this one.
The Zombie defense...Why didn't OJ think of that?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:50:00am |
re: #42 sattv4u2
Captain Hook ,,,, "the jig is up ,, the UN has agreed on a (shudder) ,,, RESOLUTION!"
The next thing the UN will be is send someone like Hans Blix. Hopefully, they make him walk the plank.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:50:08am |
PHILADELPHIA — A Philadelphia cable network's early morning broadcast of Good Friday Mass at the Vatican abruptly changed to something wildly different — a 30-second "Girls Gone Wild" ad.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Well it is the city of brotherly love ain't it?
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:50:35am |
re: #41 jcm
Trouble differentiating acting from the real world......
Speaks volumes about Hollyweird.
I still remember him playing his character in Cheers. Some how I believe that wasn't a stretch of his acting abilities. Anyone remember his hemp fuelled bus tour?
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:50:37am |
re: #47 DEZes
When Woody Harrelson dies, I want his brain.
You can have his brain. I want his stash.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:51:01am |
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:51:37am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:51:43am |
re: #54 loppyd
Guess what I did last night?
Was it followed by eating copious amounts of Ding Dongs and Cheetos?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:51:47am |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:51:49am |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
The Zombie defense...Why didn't OJ think of that?
Woody's next movie.
Night of the Living Dumb
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:52:24am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:52:26am |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:52:33am |
re: #53 MandyManners
You can have his brain. I want his stash.
I want his brain cause its never been used. ;)
On the other hand it has been abused.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:52:54am |
re: #52 BlueCanuck
I still remember him playing his character in Cheers. Some how I believe that wasn't a stretch of his acting abilities. Anyone remember his hemp fuelled bus tour?
we should be growing hemp...lots of it
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:53:04am |
re: #56 MandyManners
Was it followed by eating copious amounts of Ding Dongs and Cheetos?
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:53:38am |
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:54:04am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:54:11am |
re: #52 BlueCanuck
I still remember him playing his character in Cheers. Some how I believe that wasn't a stretch of his acting abilities. Anyone remember his hemp fuelled bus tour?
I am not saying this to make anything "right," but this is possible. Woody is a method actor, so, he is very much "in" character 24 hours a day when he is working on something.
His problem is he's not good at "breaking" the character when he is done for with it, and this has gotten him in trouble before.
Or, at least he has used it as an excuse before.
But, bottom line, not right.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:54:12am |
re: #64 loppyd
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
Well. Um. I don't know what to say.
Did it involve an ABC reporter?
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Kronocide Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:54:13am |
re: #14 Charles
Don't worry, we'll sound the Stinky alarm if need be.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:54:50am |
re: #64 loppyd
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
a mind is a terrible thing ...
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:55:10am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Repost from previous thread:
The pirate situation gets worse:
U.S.-Owned Tugboat With Italians Aboard Hijacked Off Somalia
Que the Q-ships.
This is not going to end any time soon until one country grows a pair and blasts the pirates to their Maker.
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lawhawk Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:55:29am |
re: #21 So?
The lifeboat is an enclosed craft - it's not open to the elements. Acquiring the targets would be damned near impossible and boarding isn't exactly a cakewalk either with limited access.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:56:01am |
BINGHAMTON, N.Y. - Ceremonies marking the one-week anniversary of the Binghamton rampage included commemorations of the gunman - to the horror of one victim's widower.
Bells rang 14 times and 14 tulips were planted in honor of the 13 staffers and students at the American Civic Association community center and mass murderer Jiverly Wong, who killed himself.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Had to have been organized by a Liberal?
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:56:09am |
re: #64 loppyd
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
Did it involve stuffing dollar bills into panties or a garter?
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:57:18am |
re: #73 Nevergiveup
BINGHAMTON, N.Y. - Ceremonies marking the one-week anniversary of the Binghamton rampage included commemorations of the gunman - to the horror of one victim's widower.
Bells rang 14 times and 14 tulips were planted in honor of the 13 staffers and students at the American Civic Association community center and mass murderer Jiverly Wong, who killed himself.[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Had to have been organized by a Liberal?
Why did they "honor" the damn killer!?!
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Capitalist Tool Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:57:24am |
re: #64 loppyd
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
Went to a Beyonce concert?
/
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:57:27am |
re: #72 lawhawk
The lifeboat is an enclosed craft - it's not open to the elements. Acquiring the targets would be damned near impossible and boarding isn't exactly a cakewalk either with limited access.
Lifeboat in question is like this one.
Self righting. Water tight chambers. Water and supplies on board.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:57:52am |
re: #74 Desert Dog
Did it involve stuffing dollar bills into panties or a garter?
I think Loppyd is a gal and straight. Just saying.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:57:54am |
re: #71 Idle Drifter
Que the Q-ships.
This is not going to end any time soon until one country grows a pair and blasts the pirates to their Maker.
The country already has a pair. The problem is that the command-in-chief is a traitorous scumbag who likes the idea of pirates taking the money of wealthy Westerners. Mandy's name for the man fits him quite well in this case: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:58:13am |
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:58:24am |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
So what you are saying is that he has a hard time differentiating reality from fantasy? Hmmm, I know a few people that have been accused of that.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:58:43am |
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lawhawk Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:07am |
re: #73 Nevergiveup
I'd be pissed too. It's not the first time that this kind of thing happens either. It disrespects the memories of those murdered by including the killer among their number.
It shows that there is a disconnect among those who think there no difference between good and evil.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:21am |
re: #75 Desert Dog
Why did they "honor" the damn killer!?!
"He was a sick individual, a troubled individual, and that makes him a victim, just a different kind," the Rev. Allen Spight of the Greater Faith and Deliverance Church said after the prayer service.
?
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:23am |
Dinner last night was a big bowl of rotini pasta mixed with olive oil, four large cloves of garlic sliced thinly, red papper flakes, a large onion thinly sliced and red beans eaten with fresh garlic bread and a huge salad.
It makes an excellent warmed-up lunch.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:25am |
re: #78 Nevergiveup
I think Loppyd is a gal and straight. Just saying.
Oh yea, that's what I did last night........not
(Mrs. Desert Dog would stuff dollar bills somewhere else if I did that!)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:36am |
re: #81 BlueCanuck
So what you are saying is that he has a hard time differentiating reality from fantasy? Hmmm, I know a few people that have been accused of that.
now acting will be used as a defense in CA....bizzarro...think of the possibilities
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:51am |
re: #84 Nevergiveup
"He was a sick individual, a troubled individual, and that makes him a victim, just a different kind," the Rev. Allen Spight of the Greater Faith and Deliverance Church said after the prayer service.
?
People made fun of his accent.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 9:59:56am |
re: #77 jcm
Ah, that puts a twist in a few things. I know I was thinking an open raft. Probably can't sink it either by putting a few holes in the bottom either.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:00:10am |
re: #83 lawhawk
I'd be pissed too. It's not the first time that this kind of thing happens either. It disrespects the memories of those murdered by including the killer among their number.
It shows that there is a disconnect among those who think there no difference between good and evil.
It happened at Columbine, they wanted crosses for the two satan spawns along with the crosses for the dead.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:00:56am |
re: #88 MandyManners
People made fun of his accent.
People make fun of my accent. being I'z from jooosey.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:01:29am |
re: #78 Nevergiveup
I think Loppyd is a gal and straight. Just saying.
You are correct. Not that there's anything wrong with not being straight.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:01:32am |
re: #84 Nevergiveup
"He was a sick individual, a troubled individual, and that makes him a victim, just a different kind," the Rev. Allen Spight of the Greater Faith and Deliverance Church said after the prayer service.
?
Using that logic, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao.....they were just misunderstood victims. There is no doubt that shooter was mentally unbalanced, but there is NO reason to honor him. He was a cold blooded killer and deserves nothing like that at all. Screw this "all life is sacred crap". Those other 13 people would be alive today if it was not for that monster. I hope he is roasting in Hell (if there is one)
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:01:58am |
re: #89 BlueCanuck
Ah, that puts a twist in a few things. I know I was thinking an open raft. Probably can't sink it either by putting a few holes in the bottom either.
Nope. It has multiple sealed air chambers.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:02:00am |
re: #89 BlueCanuck
Ah, that puts a twist in a few things. I know I was thinking an open raft. Probably can't sink it either by putting a few holes in the bottom either.
all day yesterday people were saying just shoot em!...right
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Athens Runaway Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:02:08am |
Morning everyone. Logged on to see what everyone was up to, and the lounge is closed. What happened? Did someone have a melty in there and Stinky's left cleaning it up?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:02:20am |
re: #85 MandyManners
Dinner last night was a big bowl of rotini pasta mixed with olive oil, four large cloves of garlic sliced thinly, red papper flakes, a large onion thinly sliced and red beans eaten with fresh garlic bread and a huge salad.
It makes an excellent warmed-up lunch.
Sounds very good...did you infuse the olive oil with the garlic and then mix it?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:02:28am |
re: #91 Nevergiveup
People make fun of my accent. being I'z from jooosey.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn NY. We all made fun of everything about all of us, and at the end of the day, we would still be friends.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:02:59am |
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:03:18am |
re: #96 Athens Runaway
Morning everyone. Logged on to see what everyone was up to, and the lounge is closed. What happened? Did someone have a melty in there and Stinky's left cleaning it up?
About the size of it. A loophole allowed the banned in and they had been sliming The Large Lizard.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:03:35am |
re: #96 Athens Runaway
Morning everyone. Logged on to see what everyone was up to, and the lounge is closed. What happened? Did someone have a melty in there and Stinky's left cleaning it up?
It's gone for good. Meltdowns in their. Superfund site. If you know what's good for you, stay away.
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:03:46am |
re: #14 Charles
Ah well Charles - good luck with your moving! And don't worry about posting being sporadic - I mean, geez, I've been out here for more than 5 years and unless you did it while I was in the hospital, you've never even taken a day off, much less a week or two.I hope you enjoy the weekend.
And, btw, if you could just throw up some open threads once in a while, that's all we need while you do your thing over the weekend!
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:04:05am |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:04:30am |
re: #96 Athens Runaway
Morning everyone. Logged on to see what everyone was up to, and the lounge is closed. What happened? Did someone have a melty in there and Stinky's left cleaning it up?
Bad mouthing the proprietor of the blog is not usually a good way to earn endearment. I guess too many people were ragging on Charles, so he showed them the door and closed the lounge.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:04:42am |
re: #68 MandyManners
Well. Um. I don't know what to say.
Did it involve an ABC reporter?
HA!
I went here. And the BF sprang for the difference between my gift card and the total.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:05:06am |
re: #103 Nevergiveup
And the Sox's are still outa town? so?
We give up then...spill the beans....let's have it
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:05:29am |
Shit I'd laugh if it wasn't so freak en sad. Fox News reporting--now get this--the FBI is opening a "criminal" investigation into the pirate group that has the Captain?
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:05:53am |
re: #102 realwest
Ah well Charles - good luck with your moving! And don't worry about posting being sporadic - I mean, geez, I've been out here for more than 5 years and unless you did it while I was in the hospital, you've never even taken a day off, much less a week or two.I hope you enjoy the weekend.
And, btw, if you could just throw up some open threads once in a while, that's all we need while you do your thing over the weekend!
Hey Birthday Boy! Hope today finds you well..
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:13am |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
The country already has a pair. The problem is that the command-in-chief is a traitorous scumbag who likes the idea of pirates taking the money of wealthy Westerners. Mandy's name for the man fits him quite well in this case: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama.
My name for him is the Child King. Yes, SOCOM (Has the name changed?) is chomping at the bit to engage these pirates. Sen. Kerry wants to hold commitees to a problem that should've been engaged the second it started instead of enboldening the pirates. The governments of the world really dropped the ball on this one.
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:14am |
re: #97 loppyd
Sounds very good...did you infuse the olive oil with the garlic and then mix it?
Ah geez, you and Mandy are making me even hungrier than I was on the prior (pizza) thread. So I gotta go now folks.
I hope everyone has a great day - Especially Charles- and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:15am |
re: #91 Nevergiveup
People make fun of my accent. being I'z from jooosey.
I don't get too much flack for my Boston accent. It's not very pronounced...more of a Northeast nasal thing.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:31am |
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:41am |
re: #107 Nevergiveup
Shit I'd laugh if it wasn't so freak en sad. Fox News reporting--now get this--the FBI is opening a "criminal" investigation into the pirate group that has the Captain?
Those who don't learn from history.
Clinton and Co. treated 8 years of terror as a criminal matter.
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Athens Runaway Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:06:55am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:07:16am |
re: #112 loppyd
I don't get too much flack for my Boston accent. It's not very pronounced...more of a Northeast nasal thing.
It's really evident in your comments.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:07:21am |
re: #107 Nevergiveup
Shit I'd laugh if it wasn't so freak en sad. Fox News reporting--now get this--the FBI is opening a "criminal" investigation into the pirate group that has the Captain?
lets party like it's 1999.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:06am |
re: #97 loppyd
Sounds very good...did you infuse the olive oil with the garlic and then mix it?
I sauteed the garlic and onion in oil, then I added the spinach and beans, and mixed in the sliced cherry tomatoes just before I dumped it all into the pasta. Those tomatoes just burst open when put into my mouth.
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:29am |
re: #84 Nevergiveup
"He was a sick individual, a troubled individual, and that makes him a victim, just a different kind," the Rev. Allen Spight of the Greater Faith and Deliverance Church said after the prayer service.
?
He was a sick fuck alright. They should have considered a pile of puke instead of a tulip
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Truck Monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:48am |
re: #64 loppyd
Nope. It was followed by floating on air on the way back to the parking lot....
Stryper concert?
Hasselhoff in town?
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:50am |
re: #95 albusteve Well ya know a couple of bursts from just a .50 caliber machine gun might have helped the Captain get away.
Just saying.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:50am |
re: #114 jcm
Those who don't learn from history.
Clinton and Co. treated 8 years of terror as a criminal matter.
It's back to the future. I hope that Captain has a change of under ware.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:08:56am |
re: #107 Nevergiveup
Shit I'd laugh if it wasn't so freak en sad. Fox News reporting--now get this--the FBI is opening a "criminal" investigation into the pirate group that has the Captain?
"ok Assad, where were you on the evening of April 5th?"
This is going to be a long, long 4 years, isn't it? This crap will continue until it is painful for the pirates to nab ships. As long as they get ransoms, they will continue to do this. As long as they pay no price, whatsoever, for their actions, they will continue to do this. Someone, some day, will have to put the hurt on these scumbags. That means going into Somalia and blowing them up or at least threatening to blow them up. Until then, this is a waste of time....a total and complete waste of time. These guys hijacked another ship yesterday. They are laughing at Obama....they KNOW he is a weakling.
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lawhawk Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:09:13am |
re: #107 Nevergiveup
Well, they're treating them like struggling businessmen who made some bad choices. They're giving them a bailout. /
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:09:30am |
re: #105 loppyd
HA!
I went here. And the BF sprang for the difference between my gift card and the total.
Oh, delightful! My going to that store involves a three-hour drive.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:09:42am |
Hmmmmmm. Saturday morning with a good cup of coffee, the weekend ahead of me and reading LGF among lizard friends. Life is good......
:)
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:10:02am |
re: #118 MandyManners
I sauteed the garlic and onion in oil, then I added the spinach and beans, and mixed in the sliced cherry tomatoes just before I dumped it all into the pasta. Those tomatoes just burst open when put into my mouth.
Yummy!
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:10:06am |
re: #118 MandyManners
I sauteed the garlic and onion in oil, then I added the spinach and beans, and mixed in the sliced cherry tomatoes just before I dumped it all into the pasta. Those tomatoes just burst open when put into my mouth.
Yum!
I roast cherry tomatoes with salt, pepper and garlic oil. Throw on some fresh herbs and serve. Great side dish and I always have cherry tomatoes on hand.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:10:50am |
re: #110 Idle Drifter
My name for him is the Child King. Yes, SOCOM (Has the name changed?) is chomping at the bit to engage these pirates. Sen. Kerry wants to hold commitees to a problem that should've been engaged the second it started instead of enboldening the pirates. The governments of the world really dropped the ball on this one.
Agreed. If Kerry really wanted to show his Navy credentials on this issue, he'd use those hearing to get an increase the production of Littoral Combat Ships. I'd be happy to let his state build a couple of them in exchange for his support. Come on John, do the right thing this time.
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:10:53am |
re: #92 loppyd
You are correct. Not that there's anything wrong with not being straight.
I like my women straight 22/7, 365.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:11:04am |
re: #123 Desert Dog
"ok Assad, where were you on the evening of April 5th?"
This is going to be a long, long 4 years, isn't it? This crap will continue until it is painful for the pirates to nab ships. As long as they get ransoms, they will continue to do this. As long as they pay no price, whatsoever, for their actions, they will continue to do this. Someone, some day, will have to put the hurt on these scumbags. That means going into Somalia and blowing them up or at least threatening to blow them up. Until then, this is a waste of time....a total and complete waste of time. These guys hijacked another ship yesterday. They are laughing at Obama....they KNOW he is a weakling.
Is Obama seeing these Somali's as poor, needy people, and deep in his heart, he wants to see them get their ransoms from the big greedy big business?
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trolamc Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:11:04am |
Charles.... "Weather With You" has the lyrics 'loungeroom lizard' in it... I think you missed a big opportunity here
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Truck Monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:11:27am |
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:11:36am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:04am |
re: #125 MandyManners
Oh, delightful! My going to that store involves a three-hour
drivetour.
You're Ginger?
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:11am |
re: #126 LGoPs
Hmmmmmm. Saturday morning with a good cup of coffee, the weekend ahead of me and reading LGF among lizard friends. Life is good......
:)
Its after 1 O'Clock here, but Good morning to ya. ;)
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dapperdave Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:16am |
re: #117 loppyd
Clinton administration all over again, what next sue the pirates?
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:31am |
re: #120 Truck Monkey
Stryper concert?
Hasselhoff in town?
Did someone say.....Hasselhoff?
My ears...my ears....make it stop! MAKE IT STOP! ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:34am |
re: #125 MandyManners
Oh, delightful! My going to that store involves a three-hour drive.
That is tragic.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:12:56am |
re: #7 MandyManners
I don't think FCBBHO will wake up.
Okay Mandy--this alphabet soup test is killing me.
would this be FCB F-g Cry Baby Barack Hussein Obama
Or is it FCB = Fearless Christlike Bullshi--r Barack Hussein Obama
Or would that be = Freakin' Crackpot B'ser ...
?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:06am |
re: #137 dapperdave
Clinton administration all over again, what next sue the pirates?
Yep. Jamie Gorelick will be the lead prosecutor.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:09am |
re: #114 jcm
Those who don't learn from history.
Clinton and Co. treated 8 years of terror as a criminal matter.
Acts of war should be treated as acts of war. Lock up those who survive for war crimes such as terrorism, piracy, etc and get whatever information we can to find the rest in hiding. Oh yeah, we are now under new management and it's not yet past noon to start drinking.
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Kot Begemot Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:13am |
Off topic: anybody interested in establishing an IRC channel, now that the lounge is out of commission? I registered #lgf on Slashnet for the hell of it.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:20am |
re: #134 wrenchwench
I like my women straight 22/7, 365.
And the other 2 hours?
curled up in the fetal position
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:22am |
re: #128 loppyd
Yum!
I roast cherry tomatoes with salt, pepper and garlic oil. Throw on some fresh herbs and serve. Great side dish and I always have cherry tomatoes on hand.
I had to drive 30 miles to get these.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:27am |
re: #118 MandyManners
I sauteed the garlic and onion in oil, then I added the spinach and beans, and mixed in the sliced cherry tomatoes just before I dumped it all into the pasta. Those tomatoes just burst open when put into my mouth.
Okay. I want some of that. Please.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:46am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:47am |
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:47am |
re: #108 HoosierHoops
Hey thanks, Hoops - yes it does find me doing well, thank you and I hope you are doing well yourself!
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:56am |
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Capitalist Tool Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:13:56am |
re: #105 loppyd
HA!
I went here. And the BF sprang for the difference between my gift card and the total.
Good grief.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:14:17am |
re: #121 realwest
Well ya know a couple of bursts from just a .50 caliber machine gun might have helped the Captain get away.
Just saying.
I know but when the facts came out it was just a bad deal...the ship was several hundred yards away and it was dark etc etc...the whole thing is just a mess now....they should just pay em off
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:14:22am |
Re: Recent shooting stories in the news.
People appear to be noticing that the craziness of the killers is the problem, and not their weapons.
Poll: Fewer Americans support stricter gun control laws
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:14:27am |
re: #140 katemaclaren
Okay Mandy--this alphabet soup test is killing me.
would this be FCB F-g Cry Baby Barack Hussein Obama
Or is it FCB = Fearless Christlike Bullshi--r Barack Hussein ObamaOr would that be = Freakin' Crackpot B'ser ...
?
FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:14:28am |
re: #145 MandyManners
I had to drive 30 miles to get these.
I'm starting to think you live on an island....
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:14:54am |
re: #136 DEZes
Its after 1 O'Clock here, but Good morning to ya. ;)
Ha. You must be eastern time zone. somewhere in the Indiana vicinity, right?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:15:02am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:15:04am |
re: #140 katemaclaren
Okay Mandy--this alphabet soup test is killing me.
would this be FCB F-g Cry Baby Barack Hussein Obama
Or is it FCB = Fearless Christlike Bullshi--r Barack Hussein ObamaOr would that be = Freakin' Crackpot B'ser ...
?
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
The country already has a pair. The problem is that the command-in-chief is a traitorous scumbag who likes the idea of pirates taking the money of wealthy Westerners. Mandy's name for the man fits him quite well in this case: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama.
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VegasRick Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:15:31am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:15:51am |
re: #146 katemaclaren
Okay. I want some of that. Please.
It's all gone. Even the left-over slices of garlic. Man, I love garlic. I double it in any recipe that calls for it. Sometimes I triple it. Same with onions.
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FrogMarch Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:15:53am |
re: #48 MandyManners
"I wrapped a movie called 'Zombieland,' in which I was constantly under assault by zombies, then flew to New York, still very much in character," Harrelson said in a statement issued Friday by his publicist.
"With my daughter at the airport I was startled by a paparazzo, who I quite understandably mistook for a zombie," he said.
SNIP
and then he set the bong down.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:16:08am |
re: #156 LGoPs
Ha. You must be eastern time zone. somewhere in the Indiana vicinity, right?
Indiana it is. ;)
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:17:09am |
re: #122 Nevergiveup
It's back to the future. I hope that Captain has a change of under ware.
Capt. Phillips has big brass ones. First trading his ship and crew for himself and attempting to escape.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a chance to take care of things himself.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:17:27am |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:17:56am |
re: #162 DEZes
Indiana it is. ;)
Hooah.......:)
I'm in L.A. (under protest) but am originally from Chicago - just up the road from ya......
:)
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:02am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Is Obama seeing these Somali's as poor, needy people, and deep in his heart, he wants to see them get their ransoms from the big greedy big business?
There is a line of reasoning like that. I've heard that because the evil Europeans, Chinese and others have over-fished the region, the poor fishermen have nothing else to turn to. That maybe, but piracy in 2009 is almost exclusively a Muslim activity. The Horn of Africa, off the coast of Nigeria, the Malacca Strait....it is Muslim pirates hijacking ships and crews for ransom. Sometimes, they forgo the ransom and just sell the cargo.
If there is no consequence for these actions, why should the pirates stop? There has to be a price for this activity that the pirate will pay. Otherwise, get used to this crap, it is not going to stop.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:11am |
re: #155 loppyd
I'm starting to think you live on an island....
I live in the country outside a very small town. I have to go into town in order to get to the highway that takes me to the city which is about three hours away from YonderCity. It's very quiet here. Except when the yard crews rev up their freakin' leaf blowers. I hate those things.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:27am |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:46am |
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:52am |
re: #171 MandyManners
I live in the country outside a very small town. I have to go into town in order to get to the highway that takes me to the city which is about three hours away from YonderCity. It's very quiet here. Except when the yard crews rev up their freakin' leaf blowers. I hate those things.
It sounds very nice, actually.
Other than the leaf blowers, that is...
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:18:54am |
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Kot Begemot Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:19:02am |
re: #147 sattv4u2
perhaps, if I knew what the hell that meant!
It's a chat room. In days of yore, people on the Intertubes could chat through something called Internet Relay Chat. To access such a chat room, you would need to download a program called an IRC client, or to use an online client such as mibbit.com. Slashnet is the name of a public server (irc.slashnet.org) and #lgf is the name of the chat room on that server.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:19:09am |
re: #165 jcm
Capt. Phillips has big brass ones. First trading his ship and crew for himself and attempting to escape.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a chance to take care of things himself.
I hope so, because if we are going to treat this "criminally" G-D help us all.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:19:14am |
re: #167 jcm
You will be.
You will be./Yoda voice.
No they won't. Either Obama will back us off in humilation, or we'll hit them so fast they'll be dead before they learn why they should fear us. I hope for number 2 but expect number 1.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:19:26am |
re: #171 MandyManners
Me too. That's the one internal combustion engine ban I'm looking forward to.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:20:07am |
re: #172 DEZes
re: #175 HoosierHoops
Not according to any maps I have, and I have to deal with worldwide timezones including the USA every day at work!
[Link: images.google.com...]
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:20:10am |
re: #178 Dark_Falcon
No they won't. Either Obama will back us off in humilation, or we'll hit them so fast they'll be dead before they learn why they should fear us. I hope for number 2 but expect number 1.
I fear you are right I'm hoping for the other.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:20:20am |
re: #169 LGoPs
Hooah.......:)
I'm in L.A. (under protest) but am originally from Chicago - just up the road from ya......
:)
I learned one thing on my last trip to Chicago.
Never go to Union Station at 5 O'clock on a Friday.
Its like Death Race 2000.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:20:56am |
re: #107 Nevergiveup
Shit I'd laugh if it wasn't so freak en sad. Fox News reporting--now get this--the FBI is opening a "criminal" investigation into the pirate group that has the Captain?
They're pirates, they're not terrorists. They are motivated by money, not by ideology.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:21:11am |
Meanwhile, back in America, Islam marches on:
Islam 'insulted' by alleged child killer's mug shot, says husband
"But Alaeddin Hadid - who insists his wife is innocent - said Orland Park police are "really going to be in big trouble" for releasing the woman's booking photo to the news media after she was charged with first-degree murder."
She killed her two year old child, they made her take off the bag for the booking photo. What a creep.
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FrogMarch Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:21:13am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Is Obama seeing these Somali's as poor, needy people, and deep in his heart, he wants to see them get their ransoms from the big greedy big business?
ha. Maybe Obama will invite them to America and get them on welfare.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:16am |
re: #163 loppyd
another separated at birth moment.
When I learned how to cook in college, I thought the head of garlic was acutally a clove. Good thing I was dating a Belgian.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:25am |
re: #173 LGoPs
Yes, as I recall from growing up in Chicago.
Only part of Indiana, yes? Doesn't part of it not change the clocks? Here in AZ we do not change our clocks at all. So, for half the year we are mountain time, the other half, pacific. But, the large Navajo Reservation in the NE corner of the state does change with DST.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:26am |
re: #181 jcm
I fear you are right I'm hoping for the other.
there is no way to take down the pirates without a huge chance of getting the skipper killed....I can't imagine how to do it....he's tied up now and all four pirates are armed
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Spiritualized Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:34am |
re: #170 Desert Dog
There is a line of reasoning like that. I've heard that because the evil Europeans, Chinese and others have over-fished the region, the poor fishermen have nothing else to turn to.
Ha, what kind of bullshit excuse is that?
Fishing is hard work and takes actual effort, stealing from infidels is much easier and more rewarding.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:47am |
re: #182 DEZes
I learned one thing on my last trip to Chicago.
Never go to Union Station at 5 O'clock on a Friday.
Its like Death Race 2000.
It not that bad if you're like me or my father, but then again we're both heavily built and 6'4". That helps in a crowd.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:52am |
re: #183 Hengineer
They're pirates, they're not terrorists. They are motivated by money, not by ideology.
Either one is demotivated by a bullet traveling at high velocity.
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FrogMarch Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:22:53am |
re: #167 jcm
You will be.
You will be./Yoda voice.
At some point, in the future, maybe, - when we have actual adult leaders at the helm.
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:23:00am |
re: #180 sattv4u2
re: #175 HoosierHoops
Not according to any maps I have, and I have to deal with worldwide timezones including the USA every day at work!
[Link: images.google.com...]
I'm pretty sure what time it is here..It's 1:22 pm...EST
Dang Google keeps lying to you
| 195 |
Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:23:15am |
re: #170 Desert Dog
There is a line of reasoning like that. I've heard that because the evil Europeans, Chinese and others have over-fished the region, the poor fishermen have nothing else to turn to. That maybe, but piracy in 2009 is almost exclusively a Muslim activity. The Horn of Africa, off the coast of Nigeria, the Malacca Strait....it is Muslim pirates hijacking ships and crews for ransom. Sometimes, they forgo the ransom and just sell the cargo.
If there is no consequence for these actions, why should the pirates stop? There has to be a price for this activity that the pirate will pay. Otherwise, get used to this crap, it is not going to stop.
The only ones we hear about are pirates from Muslim countries, we don't hear about the ones in the China sea or elsewhere. Piracy is motivated by money, NOT by ideology. A good reason I've heard is the huge commercial fishing trawlers have basically fished the local waters dry of fish, and a lot of the livelihood of Somalis (not just the fisherman, but the people whose economy is based on those fisherman) was destroyed, too.
I'm not condoning it, just saying that they are pirates who might happen to be Muslim. They are not pirates because they are Muslim.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:23:40am |
re: #184 pink freud
This is nuts.
Dr. Mohammed Sahloul, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Chicago, said that while police should follow the usual procedures with all defendants, "they should respect the modesty of the accused."
Sahloul, who made it clear he was not aware of the Hadid case and was speaking in general terms about the hijab, pointed out that Muslim women are allowed to wear hijabs in photos for their state IDs.
"If it's for the purposes of identification and they cover in public, then that's going to be more effective in identifying them anyway," he said.
That's her! Tthe one in the hijab!
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:04am |
re: #180 sattv4u2
re: #175 HoosierHoops
Not according to any maps I have, and I have to deal with worldwide timezones including the USA every day at work!
[Link: images.google.com...]
I dont think that map reflects Daylight savings.
A messy stupid idea imho.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:06am |
re: #192 Nevergiveup
Either one is demotivated by a bullet traveling at high velocity.
I agree, but the focus should be on stabilizing the situation in the country of Somalia, and then there will be a lot less of a reason for the downtrodden to become pirates.
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:09am |
re: #189 albusteve
there is no way to take down the pirates without a huge chance of getting the skipper killed....I can't imagine how to do it....he's tied up now and all four pirates are armed
At this point, after the Captain's captivity is resolved the question is the response.
If the administration launches a "criminal" investigations that will be a disaster.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:13am |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
It not that bad if you're like me or my father, but then again we're both heavily built and 6'4". That helps in a crowd.
unless you're in a crowd of giraffes........
:)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:31am |
re: #184 pink freud
Meanwhile, back in America, Islam marches on:
Islam 'insulted' by alleged child killer's mug shot, says husband
"But Alaeddin Hadid - who insists his wife is innocent - said Orland Park police are "really going to be in big trouble" for releasing the woman's booking photo to the news media after she was charged with first-degree murder."
She killed her two year old child, they made her take off the bag for the booking photo. What a creep.
I never heard this one...beat a 2yr old to death...makes me want to cry
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:48am |
re: #198 Hengineer
I agree, but the focus should be on stabilizing the situation in the country of Somalia, and then there will be a lot less of a reason for the downtrodden to become pirates.
I still think you should react with an iron fist when they actually strike, though.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:24:54am |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
It not that bad if you're like me or my father, but then again we're both heavily built and 6'4". That helps in a crowd.
Im talking about traffic. ;)
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:25:16am |
All of this may have already been posted, but FNC is reporting that the International Community is concerned about the 'Human Rights" of the Pirates. Figures.
I apparently had this pegged wrong, the FBI has opened a criminal investigation & is reporting that the Pirates are about more that just money. They are saying that they a part of a group whose Arabic name translates to "The Youth" They are seeking to overthrow what passes for the government in Somalia & replace it with an Islamic state.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:25:17am |
re: #179 jaunte
Me too. That's the one internal combustion engine ban I'm looking forward to.
Whatever happened to rakes and brooms?!
Maybe I'm being bitchy. I have about 10 acres and other neighbors have that or more.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:25:21am |
re: #196 jaunte
Fuck 'em. That's the height of my reasoned response.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:25:23am |
re: #154 MandyManners
FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.
Gosh, why didn't I think of that!? (I certainly THINK it!)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:25:54am |
re: #184 pink freud
Meanwhile, back in America, Islam marches on:
Islam 'insulted' by alleged child killer's mug shot, says husband
"But Alaeddin Hadid - who insists his wife is innocent - said Orland Park police are "really going to be in big trouble" for releasing the woman's booking photo to the news media after she was charged with first-degree murder."
She killed her two year old child, they made her take off the bag for the booking photo. What a creep.
Alaeddin best hope he doesn't run into any of my friends who live down in the south suburbs, or me for that matter when I head down there at times. He wouldn't like to hear what we have to say about him. There would be no violence, but he would have a very bad day.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:26:18am |
re: #187 MandyManners
When I learned how to cook in college, I thought the head of garlic was acutally a clove. Good thing I was dating a Belgian.
And now look at you - chef extradoinaire!
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:26:35am |
re: #152 albusteve
You don't think that just paying 'em off will encourage more piracy? I'm gonna re-post something from today DT:
I'm more than willing to help President Obama out here. No, really.
It's simple Mr. President. We are now in the arena of foreign affairs. You - whether you are aware of it or not, your VP "Plugs" Biden is - YOU are being tested by America's enemies. Here is an EXCELLENT opportunity with minimum risk to stand up and leave any doubts about your capabilites in a foreign cirisis in the dust:
a) send one or two Navy Aircraft Carrier Battle groups to where those pirates are huddled in their lifeboat WAITING FOR REINFORCEMENTS NO LESS;
b) have the aircraft (and maybe a few Tomahawks) destroy ALL the Pirate towns (I mean really, who the hell is gonna bitch atcha for whacking Somalia anyway?)
c) send some SEALS in under cover of darkness in our own little rigid small boats and take over that Lifeboat.
d) when the Pirate Reinforcements get there, let them look at ALL THE SMOKE on the horizon where their bases USED TO BE and what Motherships stayed in port USED TO BE and then politely ask them to turn over all the hostages on the "Reinforcement" foreign Ships, return the foreign ships to their rightful owners (our Navy can take over control until the Norweigans and others show up to claim their ships) and
e) go on TV, tell everyone how much it pained you to take such drastic action in which, MAYBE some "innocent" civilians were killed but after all, you'd act the same way when any American's abroad were endangered and want the World to know that; and finally
f) send DVD's (in the proper format, of course) to Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and Lil Kim of the death and destruction we wrought on those Pirate sanctuaries.
Then get the hell off TV!
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:26:45am |
re: #205 MandyManners
I'm still using the rakes and brooms; my neighbors use loud crews of uncertain citizenship.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:26:47am |
re: #199 jcm
At this point, after the Captain's captivity is resolved the question is the response.
If the administration launches a "criminal" investigations that will be a disaster.
You know that's what Holder should do--I know they sent the FBI--so why not just go whole hog and call in a grand jury? Investigate the backgrounds of these so-called pirates--er--poor Somalis?
/////
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dapperdave Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:31am |
Fox News....the New York office of the FBI will press US chargers against the pirates.
whew I feel better already/
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:33am |
re: #212 katemaclaren
You know that's what Holder should do--I know they sent the FBI--so why not just go whole hog and call in a grand jury? Investigate the backgrounds of these so-called pirates--er--poor Somalis?
/////
A gun ban, ban pirates from having guns!
SOLVED!
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:40am |
re: #203 DEZes
Im talking about traffic. ;)
I left chicago after college but still go back to visit my family regularly. I do remember that back in college in the '70's heavy traffic was confined to the morning and evening rush hours. Now it seems to be rush hour all the time.
Although it's still better than LA traffic. Here you measure getting to places in days, not hours or minutes....
/ :)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:47am |
re: #199 jcm
At this point, after the Captain's captivity is resolved the question is the response.
If the administration launches a "criminal" investigations that will be a disaster.
that angle just won't work....capture them and take them to a federal court....hahaha
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:54am |
re: #205 MandyManners
Whatever happened to rakes and brooms?!
Maybe I'm being bitchy. I have about 10 acres and other neighbors have that or more.
I must admit we own a leaf blower. BUT we don't have a yard, it's a courtyard with stone pavers....the sound of the rake scraping those would be worse than the blower IMHO.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:27:58am |
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:28:07am |
re: #212 katemaclaren
You know that's what Holder should do--I know they sent the FBI--so why not just go whole hog and call in a grand jury? Investigate the backgrounds of these so-called pirates--er--poor Somalis?
/////
If caught, they should do to pirates what they USED to do.
Hang 'em from the yardarm.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:28:23am |
re: #204 opnion
All of this may have already been posted, but FNC is reporting that the International Community is concerned about the 'Human Rights" of the Pirates.
Led by the King of the World:
Obama Reaches Out to 'Moderate' Pirate Community
/snark, but not far from reality
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:02am |
Time for me to head to work. Till tonight....
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:04am |
re: #216 albusteve
that angle just won't work....capture them and take them to a federal court....hahaha
Get an Oprah jury and they'll get a green card for all the "trouble" we caused them.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:11am |
re: #164 FrogMarch
The best way of stopping a serial rapist is a well aimed and barking .38 Special. The best way to deal with piracy is Gunboat Diplomacy and the Marines, SEALS, and Green Berets.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:15am |
re: #187 MandyManners
When I learned how to cook in college, I thought the head of garlic was acutally a clove. Good thing I was dating a Belgian.
Belgians make me phlegmish.......
:)
| 225 |
pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:23am |
re: #210 realwest
I thought I'd missed you, real! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:33am |
re: #209 loppyd
And now look at you - chef extradoinaire!
HA! I knew nothing about cooking when I was in college--I couldn't even boil an egg properly. My first thing was to learn how to make a roux.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:41am |
re: #215 LGoPs
I left chicago after college but still go back to visit my family regularly. I do remember that back in college in the '70's heavy traffic was confined to the morning and evening rush hours. Now it seems to be rush hour all the time.
Although it's still better than LA traffic. Here you measure getting to places in days, not hours or minutes....
/ :)
If traffic here is under 70 miles on hour here, we say WTF?
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:29:45am |
re: #220 pink freud
The 'moderate' pirates say arrr, instead of Arrrrrrrr!
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:30:23am |
re: #228 jaunte
The 'moderate' pirates say arrr, instead of Arrrrrrrr!
The moderate pirates take you with box cutters instead of guns?
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:30:38am |
re: #195 Hengineer
The only ones we hear about are pirates from Muslim countries, we don't hear about the ones in the China sea or elsewhere. Piracy is motivated by money, NOT by ideology. A good reason I've heard is the huge commercial fishing trawlers have basically fished the local waters dry of fish, and a lot of the livelihood of Somalis (not just the fisherman, but the people whose economy is based on those fisherman) was destroyed, too.
I'm not condoning it, just saying that they are pirates who might happen to be Muslim. They are not pirates because they are Muslim.
I am not saying all Muslims are pirates.....but I will say that MOST pirates are muslims.....sound familiar? It is a tradition in Malacca since Islam arrived...it was one for the Barbary Pirates as well....the same with Cape Horn and now off the coast of West Africa. Those are all Muslim pirates operating there. There are other pirates in the world that are not Muslim. The motivation, of course, is the money. It's millions in your hand if you get a ship now. But, I will submit that this pirating tradition is partially based in world outlook as well....that means it is motivated, or perhaps justified, by the words in the Koran.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:30:38am |
re: #210 realwest
You don't think that just paying 'em off will encourage more piracy? I'm gonna re-post something from today DT:
I'm more than willing to help President Obama out here. No, really.
It's simple Mr. President. We are now in the arena of foreign affairs. You - whether you are aware of it or not, your VP "Plugs" Biden is - YOU are being tested by America's enemies. Here is an EXCELLENT opportunity with minimum risk to stand up and leave any doubts about your capabilites in a foreign cirisis in the dust:
a) send one or two Navy Aircraft Carrier Battle groups to where those pirates are huddled in their lifeboat WAITING FOR REINFORCEMENTS NO LESS;
b) have the aircraft (and maybe a few Tomahawks) destroy ALL the Pirate towns (I mean really, who the hell is gonna bitch atcha for whacking Somalia anyway?)
c) send some SEALS in under cover of darkness in our own little rigid small boats and take over that Lifeboat.
d) when the Pirate Reinforcements get there, let them look at ALL THE SMOKE on the horizon where their bases USED TO BE and what Motherships stayed in port USED TO BE and then politely ask them to turn over all the hostages on the "Reinforcement" foreign Ships, return the foreign ships to their rightful owners (our Navy can take over control until the Norweigans and others show up to claim their ships) and
e) go on TV, tell everyone how much it pained you to take such drastic action in which, MAYBE some "innocent" civilians were killed but after all, you'd act the same way when any American's abroad were endangered and want the World to know that; and finally
f) send DVD's (in the proper format, of course) to Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and Lil Kim of the death and destruction we wrought on those Pirate sanctuaries.
Then get the hell off TV!
Now that's what Captain Jack Aubrey would have done!
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debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:30:53am |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
The Zombie defense...Why didn't OJ think of that?
On occasion, I realize that OJ is in prison and I smile.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:30:58am |
re: #184 pink freud
From the article:
"I don't condone what she's alleged to have done.
"But if it was a nun accused of these crimes, would they treat her the same way?"
Ummm, Yeah. They would. That's what police procedures do for the most part....
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:31:26am |
re: #224 LGoPs
Belgians make me phlegmish.......
:)
His father was Flemish and his mother was a Walloon. His father's father was a dyed-in-the-wool Nazi, and his mother's father was in the Resistance. Pretty interesting dinner-table talk.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:31:27am |
re: #214 jcm
A gun ban, ban pirates from having guns!
SOLVED!
oh EXCELLENT! A ban on weapons for PIRATES! (Isn't that unconstitutional?)
/////
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:31:30am |
re: #210 realwest
I replied to this all day yesterday....get the captain back, then ramp up the retribution....change the laws and regs...take the pirates down permanently...I see no other way
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:04am |
re: #220 pink freud
Led by the King of the World:
Obama Reaches Out to 'Moderate' Pirate Community
/snark, but not far from reality
Hey, he has been to Pirates of the Carribean at Disney. He's prepared.
| 239 |
katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:14am |
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:15am |
Instant Karma will get you!
Sorry OJ..The Golf course is closed to you..FOREVER!
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:51am |
re: #227 DEZes
If traffic here is under 70 miles on hour here, we say WTF?
I envy you.....
Here the acceleration spec standard for a car only needs to be 0 - 60mph in 3 days or so......
/ :)
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:52am |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
Instant Karma will get you!
Sorry OJ..The Golf course is closed to you..FOREVER!
Huh?
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:32:55am |
re: #236 katemaclaren
oh EXCELLENT! A ban on weapons for PIRATES! (Isn't that unconstitutional?)
/////
Their not fucking pirates! This is not a Walt Disney movie. They are muslim terrorist scum.
| 244 |
DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:33:07am |
re: #238 opnion
Hey, he has been to Pirates of the Carribean at Disney. He's prepared.
And he saw all 3 movies twice. ;)
| 245 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:33:14am |
re: #195 Hengineer
The only ones we hear about are pirates from Muslim countries, we don't hear about the ones in the China sea or elsewhere. Piracy is motivated by money, NOT by ideology. A good reason I've heard is the huge commercial fishing trawlers have basically fished the local waters dry of fish, and a lot of the livelihood of Somalis (not just the fisherman, but the people whose economy is based on those fisherman) was destroyed, too.
I'm not condoning it, just saying that they are pirates who might happen to be Muslim. They are not pirates because they are Muslim.
Maybe. But they are from a lawless Muslim Country that facilitates the easy manifestation of their profession-Piracy.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:33:25am |
re: #226 MandyManners
HA! I knew nothing about cooking when I was in college--I couldn't even boil an egg properly. My first thing was to learn how to make a roux.
Did you learn it's ready when it's the color of peanut butter? That always stands out in my mind.
My mom is an amazing cook - I picked up a lot more than I realized by helping her. I surprised myself and my college roommates!
| 247 |
Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:33:50am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:34:16am |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
Instant Karma will get you!
Sorry OJ..The Golf course is closed to you..FOREVER!
Is Yoko knitting while blinded?
| 250 |
Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:34:20am |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:35:15am |
re: #198 Hengineer
I agree, but the focus should be on stabilizing the situation in the country of Somalia, and then there will be a lot less of a reason for the downtrodden to become pirates.
Well when Clinton cut and ran from Somalia that didn't exactly help "stabilize" the situation. And if you think Obama is gonna try that, well I got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell ya.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:35:33am |
re: #246 loppyd
Did you learn it's ready when it's the color of peanut butter? That always stands out in my mind.
My mom is an amazing cook - I picked up a lot more than I realized by helping her. I surprised myself and my college roommates!
The first thing I learned how to cook is Egg Goop, which will be in the next LGF cookbook. The roux stays white.
| 255 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:35:48am |
re: #248 pink freud
I thought it was chocolate! :-)
Yes, that too. I think some recipes call for a darker roux....
The peanut butter thing made me laugh when I was a kid which is why I remember it.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:36:00am |
re: #226 MandyManners
HA! I knew nothing about cooking when I was in college--I couldn't even boil an egg properly. My first thing was to learn how to make a roux.
Rouxs are so much fun. The start of several sauces and gravies. I start with one when I make some great mac and cheese. Hmmm, I wonder if it's too late to submit recipes for LGF Cookbook 2?
| 257 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:36:10am |
re: #244 DEZes
And he saw all 3 movies twice. ;)
BHO will be conferring with Johnny Depp, to benifit from his expertise, playing Jack Sparrow. Then it will be St. Louis, Chicago pizza for all.
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:36:40am |
re: #256 BlueCanuck
Rouxs are so much fun. The start of several sauces and gravies. I start with one when I make some great mac and cheese. Hmmm, I wonder if it's too late to submit recipes for LGF Cookbook 2?
Nope..you are right on time
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:36:47am |
re: #226 MandyManners
HA! I knew nothing about cooking when I was in college--I couldn't even boil an egg properly. My first thing was to learn how to make a roux.
Did you ever burn roux?
I'll bet you would rue the day if you did......
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:36:48am |
re: #170 Desert Dog
"If there is no consequence for these actions, why should the pirates stop? There has to be a price for this activity that the pirate will pay. Otherwise, get used to this crap, it is not going to stop."
Indeed it won't and why on earth should it? Most merchant ships and tugboats are easy pickings for pirates in small, fast boats, launched from an ocean going mother ship, and armed with RPG's and sometimes 20mm or even 40mm guns?
Unless we do what I suggested (or some variant thereof) in #210, everyone will figure what the hell, let the Maritime Insurance companies pay for it. Sorta like the "art" of slip and fall in stores here in the US - juries know that there's insurance money so right or wrong they find for the plaintiff - let the insurance company pay.
But what happens when the day INEVITABLY comes that Maritime insurance companies EXCLUDE acts of Piracy from their policies?!
In my admittedly limited experience, rewarding criminals for their criminal acts NEVER reduces the crime rate. It only makes it go up.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:37:02am |
re: #254 MandyManners
The first thing I learned how to cook is Egg Goop, which will be in the next LGF cookbook. The roux stays white.
Mademoiselle likes ze Fwench cooking!
| 263 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:37:32am |
On Fox TV now--the Maersk Alabama pulling into Mombasa Kenya with very visible Armed Navy Sailors on board.
| 264 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:37:35am |
re: #262 loppyd
Oh and WTH is egg goop? Or is that a surprise?
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:38:06am |
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:38:45am |
re: #252 Nevergiveup
Well when Clinton cut and ran from Somalia that didn't exactly help "stabilize" the situation. And if you think Obama is gonna try that, well I got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell ya.
there was no reason to stay....in the end he tried to kidnap the warlords and didn't have the assets to pull it off....the whole thing was a mess from the Bush 1 beginning...the entire country is full of savages...there is no way to stabilize it short of full scale invasion and occupation
| 268 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:38:51am |
Wait a minute! Obama is scary smart. He is getting the Portuguese Water Dog. They are great swimmers & I'll bet the dog is Special Ops & will swim out, take down the Pirates & rescue the Captain. Obama Akbar!
| 269 |
katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:39:05am |
re: #261 realwest
How about letting them go--after we castrate them? Ouch. But they could no longer breed little pirates....
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:39:21am |
re: #268 opnion
Wait a minute! Obama is scary smart. He is getting the Portuguese Water Dog. They are great swimmers & I'll bet the dog is Special Ops & will swim out, take down the Pirates & rescue the Captain. Obama Akbar!
The dog is related to Ted Kennedy's dog and that's the truth.
| 271 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:39:29am |
re: #264 loppyd
Oh and WTH is egg goop? Or is that a surprise?
My mom makes it like an egg quiche...with sausage, cheese, cream of mushroom soup and bread (torn into bits) on the bottom and a mixture of eggs, milk and dry mustard....bake and serve.....YUMMMMMMMMY
| 272 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:39:52am |
re: #261 realwest
That which you subsidize, in this case by insurance payments, you get more of. Economics 101 (or perhaps it's Economics Kindergarten)
| 273 |
MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:39:56am |
re: #262 loppyd
Mademoiselle likes ze Fwench cooking!
Well, I was dating a Belgian. Last I heard, he was a colonel in the USMC. Best damn sex ever.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:40:00am |
re: #268 opnion
Wait a minute! Obama is scary smart. He is getting the Portuguese Water Dog. They are great swimmers & I'll bet the dog is Special Ops & will swim out, take down the Pirates & rescue the Captain. Obama Akbar!
Oh crikey, that was funny! Do you think they'll call HIM--um-- "Lassie"? Go get 'em, girl!
| 275 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:40:01am |
re: #268 opnion
Wait a minute! Obama is scary smart. He is getting the Portuguese Water Dog. They are great swimmers & I'll bet the dog is Special Ops & will swim out, take down the Pirates & rescue the Captain. Obama Akbar!
It'll be pizza for the dog once he's done!
| 276 |
Capitalist Tool Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:40:11am |
| 277 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:40:12am |
re: #271 Desert Dog
My mom makes it like an egg quiche...with sausage, cheese, cream of mushroom soup and bread (torn into bits) on the bottom and a mixture of eggs, milk and dry mustard....bake and serve.....YUMMMMMMMMY
That sounds good, but it also sounds a lot like a caserole and the BF turns up his nose at anything that even resembles such.
| 278 |
Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:40:17am |
re: #271 Desert Dog
My mom makes it like an egg quiche...with sausage, cheese, cream of mushroom soup and bread (torn into bits) on the bottom and a mixture of eggs, milk and dry mustard....bake and serve.....YUMMMMMMMMY
That's it..Now I'm starving!
| 279 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:03am |
re: #116 Walter L. Newton
It's really evident in your comments.
Saying 'Notheast' is quite a giveaway.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:10am |
re: #256 BlueCanuck
Rouxs are so much fun. The start of several sauces and gravies. I start with one when I make some great mac and cheese. Hmmm, I wonder if it's too late to submit recipes for LGF Cookbook 2?
Rouxs are also magic. There's a stage where it's perfectly browned, where you throw in the onions, garlic, and bell peppers. Without fail, within a minute of the occurrence of that stage, as the smell reaches every corner of the house, my teenage son will walk in and say, "When will it be ready?"
/without fail
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:12am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Well, I was dating a Belgian. Last I heard, he was a colonel in the USMC. Best damn sex ever.
A stud and a patriot. Nice.
| 282 |
Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:13am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Well, I was dating a Belgian. Last I heard, he was a colonel in the USMC. Best damn sex ever.
Smoking hot sex thread!
| 283 |
katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:15am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:17am |
re: #264 loppyd
Oh and WTH is egg goop? Or is that a surprise?
White sauce with chopped-up eggs. Serve it over English muffins. Top with paprika. Eat it with sausage links. And, melons and strawberries.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:17am |
re: #270 loppyd
The dog is related to Ted Kennedy's dog and that's the truth.
I know, I heard that this morning. That is just wrong!
I have a Water Dog & I have been trying to keep this news from her.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:23am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Well, I was dating a Belgian. Last I heard, he was a colonel in the USMC. Best damn sex ever.
You had sex with the USMC?........
*ducks for cover*
| 287 |
realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:25am |
re: #225 pink freud
Ah, thank you my friend - was gonna leave before, but lunch is still being made! Thanks again!
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:41:29am |
re: #261 realwest
"If there is no consequence for these actions, why should the pirates stop? There has to be a price for this activity that the pirate will pay. Otherwise, get used to this crap, it is not going to stop."
Indeed it won't and why on earth should it? Most merchant ships and tugboats are easy pickings for pirates in small, fast boats, launched from an ocean going mother ship, and armed with RPG's and sometimes 20mm or even 40mm guns?
Unless we do what I suggested (or some variant thereof) in #210, everyone will figure what the hell, let the Maritime Insurance companies pay for it. Sorta like the "art" of slip and fall in stores here in the US - juries know that there's insurance money so right or wrong they find for the plaintiff - let the insurance company pay.
But what happens when the day INEVITABLY comes that Maritime insurance companies EXCLUDE acts of Piracy from their policies?!
In my admittedly limited experience, rewarding criminals for their criminal acts NEVER reduces the crime rate. It only makes it go up.
the situation can only be resolved with extreme force...buy our captain back FIRST....then deal with the larger problem
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:00am |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:21am |
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:24am |
re: #261 realwest
I just put a BBC report up in the spinoffs about the Somali pirates that reports Dubai businessmen who used to give loans to these guys are now going to them to borrow money.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:32am |
re: #284 MandyManners
White sauce with chopped-up eggs. Serve it over English muffins. Top with paprika. Eat it with sausage links. And, melons and strawberries.
You had me as soon as you said sausage.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:34am |
re: #287 realwest
Ah, thank you my friend - was gonna leave before, but lunch is still being made! Thanks again!
Chicago pizza?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:39am |
re: #280 pink freud
Rouxs are also magic. There's a stage where it's perfectly browned, where you throw in the onions, garlic, and bell peppers. Without fail, within a minute of the occurrence of that stage, as the smell reaches every corner of the house, my teenage son will walk in and say, "When will it be ready?"
/without fail
Sounds like my mom's kitchen. Mmmmmmm good.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:42:55am |
re: #285 opnion
I know, I heard that this morning. That is just wrong!
I have a Water Dog & I have been trying to keep this news from her.
It's best to shield her.
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:43:10am |
re: #286 LGoPs
You had sex with the USMC?........
*ducks for cover*
This my rifle, this is my gun........
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Former Belgian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:43:12am |
re: #235 MandyManners
His father was Flemish and his mother was a Walloon. His father's father was a dyed-in-the-wool Nazi, and his mother's father was in the Resistance. Pretty interesting dinner-table talk.
I've known more families like that than I can shake a stick at. Since I don't look very Jewish and was actually raised RC, occasionally the "collabos"/"zwartzakken" would try to explain to me that the Nazis weren't all bad. Now that got REALLY interesting ;-)
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:43:32am |
re: #284 MandyManners
Now I'm getting hungery.......I must FEED.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:43:50am |
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:44:03am |
re: #243 So?
Their not fucking pirates! This is not a Walt Disney movie. They are muslim terrorist scum.
You laypeople make me sick. Is all you think about pirates is the fuckin' Disney movies?
REAL pirates really are nasty animals who treat people like dogshit to get what they want. Most of them are not ideologically motivated, but they won't hesitate to kill you if they know nothing will happen to them. Most of what they do is motivated by money, for the cargo, the ship AND ransoming for their kidnapping.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:44:13am |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:44:17am |
re: #267 albusteve
there was no reason to stay....in the end he tried to kidnap the warlords and didn't have the assets to pull it off....the whole thing was a mess from the Bush 1 beginning...the entire country is full of savages...there is no way to stabilize it short of full scale invasion and occupation
Well if I remember correctly Clinton and his then Def Sec Lee Hamilton I think forced the Military to go in under armed and with very restrictive rules of engagement and that is what lead to disaster. And then we ran.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:44:20am |
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:44:25am |
re: #296 loppyd
It's best to shield her.
Yeah, but I can't monitor this 24x7. Alas, at some point I am afraid that she will find out. This is an insult to her kind.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:13am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:16am |
re: #298 Former Belgian
I've known more families like that than I can shake a stick at. Since I don't look very Jewish and was actually raised RC, occasionally the "collabos"/"zwartzakken" would try to explain to me that the Nazis weren't all bad. Now that got REALLY interesting ;-)
His grandfather was shot at the end of the war. No trial.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:26am |
re: #291 DEZes
If you smoke after sex, your going way too fast. ;)
oh my GOD that was funny!
Say, do you know what the Prez said when they told him that two Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq?
He thought for a minute, and then said "um....how many exactly is a "brazillion"?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:39am |
Now that it's close to 2:00 I guess I should motivated and head to the grocery store.
Mandy, let me know if you need anything. :)
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:41am |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:45:48am |
Speaking of things to do, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the park and then to an Easter party. While he's at the party, I'm gonna' boil the eggs for his egg hunt at home tomorrow. Later, sweet taters.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:46:40am |
re: #308 katemaclaren
oh my GOD that was funny!
Say, do you know what the Prez said when they told him that two Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq?
He thought for a minute, and then said "um....how many exactly is a "brazillion"?
Yes, he was hoping a "brazillion" was more than a trillion, because he is sure if we just spend a "brazillion" more, everything will be ok
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:46:59am |
Why are they calling any Sailor with a weapon a Seal?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:47:27am |
re: #314 Nevergiveup
Why are they calling any Sailor with a weapon a Seal?
They otter know better.......
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:47:31am |
re: #301 Hengineer
You laypeople make me sick. Is all you think about pirates is the fuckin' Disney movies?
REAL pirates really are nasty animals who treat people like dogshit to get what they want. Most of them are not ideologically motivated, but they won't hesitate to kill you if they know nothing will happen to them. Most of what they do is motivated by money, for the cargo, the ship AND ransoming for their kidnapping.
FNc is reportying that the FBI has identified these Pirates as Islamic terrorists.
Apparently American & Canaadian Muslims that spent time with the Islamic terrorists in Somalia got squeezed for information.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:47:39am |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:47:43am |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:48:14am |
Have fun you guys and gals....actual reality beckons
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Former Belgian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:48:48am |
re: #301 Hengineer
You laypeople make me sick. Is all you think about pirates is the fuckin' Disney movies?
REAL pirates really are nasty animals who treat people like dogshit to get what they want. Most of them are not ideologically motivated, but they won't hesitate to kill you if they know nothing will happen to them. Most of what they do is motivated by money, for the cargo, the ship AND ransoming for their kidnapping.
Well, if it's all about "Freakonomics", giving them some "negative incentive" (as in: "trying to do this will get me fed to the sharks alive") might modify their behavior, right?
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:49:00am |
re: #314 Nevergiveup
Why are they calling any Sailor with a weapon a Seal?
Because the media are morons.....
Was listening to some "pundits" discourse on one of the recent shootings about the shooter changing "clips."
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:49:07am |
re: #303 Nevergiveup
Well if I remember correctly Clinton and his then Def Sec Lee Hamilton I think forced the Military to go in under armed and with very restrictive rules of engagement and that is what lead to disaster. And then we ran.
it was humanitarian....food aid, which was promptly stolen and used as a weapon...very stupid move to go for the war lords...
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:49:20am |
re: #308 katemaclaren
Ill see your 2 Bazillion and raise to ten Quautloos. ;)
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:49:40am |
re: #269 katemaclaren
How about letting them go--after we castrate them? Ouch. But they could no longer breed little pirates....
Well they wouldn't be breeding little pirates my way, either.
And my way DOES give Obama some "creds" on defending Americans abroad - and at a fairly cheap price (and NO I'm not saying the life of some hostages are "cheap", but that a full tilt boogie war with, say, Pakistan would be a LOT more expensive).
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:49:41am |
re: #318 katemaclaren
REALWEST--Im not good at the linky thingies. Let me try again:
Happy Birthday!
That was funnier than hell..thanks!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:50:08am |
Progressive values.....
San Francisco residents top the list when it comes to procrastinating on taxes.
The City by the Bay is No. 1 on TurboTax's eighth annual list of Top 10 procrastinating cities, based on how many people used TurboTax's online service to file on the last two days of the filing season in April 2008.
Houston, which has been the No. 1 city three times -- more than any other locale -- came in at second place, while New York, which has been on the Top 10 list all eight years, came in at third.
Chicago, No. 1 last year, was in fourth place this year, followed by San Diego. Phoenix, Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas and Las Vegas rounded out the list.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:50:11am |
re: #323 albusteve
it was humanitarian....food aid, which was promptly stolen and used as a weapon...very stupid move to go for the war lords...
Well it was stupid not to get them.
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:50:32am |
While searching the history of piracy I found this link talking about Bush's plan after some Americans were held for 56 days. It looks like the military was not keen on going into Somali at the time and explains why.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:51:06am |
re: #316 opnion
FNc is reportying that the FBI has identified these Pirates as Islamic terrorists.
Apparently American & Canaadian Muslims that spent time with the Islamic terrorists in Somalia got squeezed for information.
I wouldn't doubt that these people might be in terrorist groups, they are still operating in piracy. And that fellow who brought up the Barbary pirates, yes they were Muslims running in piracy as well.
What we have here is state-sanctioned piracy, most likely (as close to a state as the Somali warlords can get). I'm not saying that we can't just send in the military and special teams and take them out, by all means I think its the best way. Hell its the way we took down the Barbary pirates, Thomas Jefferson sent in the Marines (....to the shores of Tripoli....).
I'm saying that THIS IS THE FACE OF MODERN PIRACY. Even pirates back in the 1600's-1800's were bloodthirsty cutthroats, none of this Walt Disney code of honor shit.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:51:14am |
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Catttt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:51:31am |
re: #268 opnion
Wait a minute! Obama is scary smart. He is getting the Portuguese Water Dog. They are great swimmers & I'll bet the dog is Special Ops & will swim out, take down the Pirates & rescue the Captain. Obama Akbar!
I wish they'd got the Labradoodle. Not that I care........
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:51:43am |
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Former Belgian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:51:52am |
re: #307 MandyManners
His grandfather was shot at the end of the war. No trial.
Vigilante shooting by the Resistance just before the Liberation (=September 1944 for Belgium)?
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:52:48am |
re: #325 realwest
So true--I was only thinking of myself! ;-)
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:52:53am |
re: #328 Nevergiveup
Well it was stupid not to get them.
it would have taken an operation ten times as big and complicated...you be the judge
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:53:15am |
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:53:19am |
re: #321 Former Belgian
Well, if it's all about "Freakonomics", giving them some "negative incentive" (as in: "trying to do this will get me fed to the sharks alive") might modify their behavior, right?
I should hope so.
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:53:39am |
re: #288 albusteve
the situation can only be resolved with extreme force...buy our captain back FIRST....then deal with the larger problem
But what about all those hostages on the Pirate Reinforcement Ships headed that way? I DON'T want the Captain to die - it's why I specified using SEALS in OUR small fast boats to free him - but at some point either you keep paying to keep hostages safe or you do that which will prevent other people from being taken hostage.
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:54:17am |
I'll repeat my post from Wikipedia about the First Barbary War, in which the U.S. switched from a policy of paying ransoms and tribute to a policy of attacking the pirates:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"Without the means or the authority to field a naval force necessary to protect their ships in the Mediterranean, the nascent U.S. government took a pragmatic, but ultimately self-destructive route. In 1784, the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the Barbary pirates and instructed her British and French ambassadors (John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, respectively) to look for opportunities to negotiate peace treaties with the Barbary nations. Unfortunately, the price demanded for these treaties far exceeded the amount that Congress had budgeted."
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:54:26am |
re: #330 Hengineer
I don't think anyone here thinks these scum have any honor. We have said over the last few days, I know I have, that while these Pirates are very dangerous, they have an incentive to keep their hostages alive, only because they are worth more to them alive than dead. As a matter of fact keeping the hostage alive is keeping the Pirates alive. Some of us might make a joke every now and then, but we all know how serious this is.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:54:49am |
re: #330 Hengineer
Remember in the first "Pirates" film when Jack Sparrow kicks sand in the "boy's face and when the boy protests that Sparrow is cheating--Jack says, "Pirate?" with an unspoken "DUH!?"
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:54:55am |
re: #342 realwest
But what about all those hostages on the Pirate Reinforcement Ships headed that way? I DON'T want the Captain to die - it's why I specified using SEALS in OUR small fast boats to free him - but at some point either you keep paying to keep hostages safe or you do that which will prevent other people from being taken hostage.
Time to go Roman on the pirates. That's the only way.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:54:57am |
re: #338 albusteve
it would have taken an operation ten times as big and complicated...you be the judge
Sometimes smaller is bigger?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:55:20am |
re: #329 avanti
While searching the history of piracy I found this link talking about Bush's plan after some Americans were held for 56 days. It looks like the military was not keen on going into Somali at the time and explains why.
An American registered ship had not yet been taken. This is an American flagged ship with an Anmerican held hostage, Don't you think that this changes the calculus?
This is Obama's crisis, he wanted the job.
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:55:44am |
re: #292 jaunte
I just put a BBC report up in the spinoffs about the Somali pirates that reports Dubai businessmen who used to give loans to these guys are now going to them to borrow money.
Just unfuckingbelievable. And some people think we should still treat this as a criminal activity - ya know, arrest the pirates, read 'em their Miranda rights (just in case the ACLU is watching!) and then put them on trial.
Sure thing.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:56:02am |
re: #330 Hengineer
I wouldn't doubt that these people might be in terrorist groups, they are still operating in piracy. And that fellow who brought up the Barbary pirates, yes they were Muslims running in piracy as well.
What we have here is state-sanctioned piracy, most likely (as close to a state as the Somali warlords can get). I'm not saying that we can't just send in the military and special teams and take them out, by all means I think its the best way. Hell its the way we took down the Barbary pirates, Thomas Jefferson sent in the Marines (....to the shores of Tripoli....).
I'm saying that THIS IS THE FACE OF MODERN PIRACY. Even pirates back in the 1600's-1800's were bloodthirsty cutthroats, none of this Walt Disney code of honor shit.
no it isn't....the jahadis would like nothing more than to overrun what's left of the govt...they don't because they don't really need to, they control almost the entire country now....full blown anarchy
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:56:17am |
There were some lessons in that early film about how NOT to trust a pirate and sweet talk by the "civilized" is just an entertaining interlude for the pirate--the sort of appetizer before the main course--cutting throats.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:56:34am |
re: #350 albusteve
no it isn't....the jahadis would like nothing more than to overrun what's left of the govt...they don't because they don't really need to, they control almost the entire country now....full blown anarchy
Did you read my next sentence?
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:56:52am |
re: #329 avanti
Okay. Problem one, lack of intelligence. Solution. Get some feet on the ground and start surveilling the areas and making notes. Problem two, U.N. authorization. Solution? Fuck the UN. There are probably a few other problems but one more thing about the militias and clan rivialries? Screw them, don't rely upon them for any intelligence. I am sure with a couple of months of properly done HUMINT and proper observation we could get the job done.
/oh yeah, don't advertise what we plan on doing. Better to ask forgiveness.....
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lawhawk Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:56:57am |
re: #322 jcm
Because the media are morons.....
Was listening to some "pundits" discourse on one of the recent shootings about the shooter changing "clips."
Boomstick basics for the media. Saavy? Saavy.
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Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:05am |
re: #349 realwest
Just unfuckingbelievable. And some people think we should still treat this as a criminal activity - ya know, arrest the pirates, read 'em their Miranda rights (just in case the ACLU is watching!) and then put them on trial.
Sure thing.
I wouldn't mind trying them, provided we hanged them afterwards.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:08am |
re: #348 opnion
I'm wondering if BHO is wondering: HOW CAN I BLAME THIS ON BUSH!?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:08am |
re: #330 Hengineer
I wouldn't doubt that these people might be in terrorist groups, they are still operating in piracy. And that fellow who brought up the Barbary pirates, yes they were Muslims running in piracy as well.
What we have here is state-sanctioned piracy, most likely (as close to a state as the Somali warlords can get). I'm not saying that we can't just send in the military and special teams and take them out, by all means I think its the best way. Hell its the way we took down the Barbary pirates, Thomas Jefferson sent in the Marines (....to the shores of Tripoli....).
I'm saying that THIS IS THE FACE OF MODERN PIRACY. Even pirates back in the 1600's-1800's were bloodthirsty cutthroats, none of this Walt Disney code of honor shit.
I regret that I have but one upding.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:20am |
re: #349 realwest
Just unfuckingbelievable. And some people think we should still treat this as a criminal activity - ya know, arrest the pirates, read 'em their Miranda rights (just in case the ACLU is watching!) and then put them on trial.
Sure thing.
I am deeply concerned about the fact that the President has made no statement about this at all.
I can only hope that there are plans being made in the background that we don't yet know about.
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:25am |
U.S. government policy prior to 1800: paying ransoms and tribute to the Barbary Pirates.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others. With the recommissioning of the American navy in 1794 and the resulting increased firepower on the seas, it became increasingly possible for America to refuse paying tribute, although by now the long-standing habit was hard to overturn."
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:34am |
re: #302 katemaclaren
Uh, thankew, but there was nothing there to watch!
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:57:48am |
re: #349 realwest
This is a test in which the answer will be found in unilateral action; directly in opposition to our current governing philosophy.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:58:09am |
re: #349 realwest
Just unfuckingbelievable. And some people think we should still treat this as a criminal activity - ya know, arrest the pirates, read 'em their Miranda rights (just in case the ACLU is watching!) and then put them on trial.
Sure thing.
Under International Maritime Law, I do believe any Captain of any Vessel was allowed to try and execute any Pirate he ran across. I don't know if that still stands.
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Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:26am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
We both hope - but I have a sinking feeling that it's going to be a lot of verbal hand-wringing and absolutely no effective action.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:30am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
I am deeply concerned about the fact that the President has made no statement about this at all.
I can only hope that there are plans being made in the background that we don't yet know about.
Of course he's making plans, silly. That garden has to be finished, there is that thing about the dog and someone has to get rid of all those pizza boxes.
Give the guy a break, he's the busiest president that we have ever had.
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dapperdave Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:31am |
re: #349 realwest
See my #213 (I should have put it in quotes).
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:52am |
re: #357 katemaclaren
I'm wondering if BHO is wondering: HOW CAN I BLAME THIS ON BUSH!?
They will . Hell they blamed Bush for the Tsunami & Katrina.
Obama will take no responsibility. He has the maturity of a 12 year old.
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debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:56am |
re: #217 loppyd
I must admit we own a leaf blower. BUT we don't have a yard, it's a courtyard with stone pavers....the sound of the rake scraping those would be worse than the blower IMHO.
"WHAT?"
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:59:57am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
I second that.
PS Are you in the process of making an LGF cookbook, the sequel?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:00:22am |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
Of course he's making plans, silly. That garden has to be finished, there is that thing about the dog and someone has to get rid of all those pizza boxes.
Give the guy a break, he's the busiest president that we have ever had.
And don't forget that he's tired too.......
/
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:00:39am |
re: #318 katemaclaren
ROTFLMAO! Thanks again - that was FUNNY!
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:00:53am |
re: #342 realwest
But what about all those hostages on the Pirate Reinforcement Ships headed that way? I DON'T want the Captain to die - it's why I specified using SEALS in OUR small fast boats to free him - but at some point either you keep paying to keep hostages safe or you do that which will prevent other people from being taken hostage.
the other hostages are a very serious problem...what happens to them is anybody's guess...I'm determined to get our guy back...get the Navy out there, arm the merchants and do whatever it takes to prevent another incident like this to an American vessel...if the rest of the world won't help deal with in a big way then too bad for them....they can payoff til hell freezes over...we won't...that's my scenario
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:06am |
Just so you are aware of my credentials, I'm a US Merchant Mariner who graduated from the California Maritime Academy (we had some brief training about piracy and Maritime Security) in 2005, and am currently sailing for Military Sealift Command on a fleet support Oiler, the USNS Kanawha.
I've been off the Somali Coast, been on deployment giving fuel to those Navy vessels chasing pirates, and my ship was even approached by a small pirate vessel: thank goodness a powerful searchlight scared them off.
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:27am |
re: #348 opnion
An American registered ship had not yet been taken. This is an American flagged ship with an Anmerican held hostage, Don't you think that this changes the calculus?
This is Obama's crisis, he wanted the job.
No disagreement there. I was just pointing out the issue is very complicated. BTW, this might be the first time it was a American flagged ship that was attacked, because they are rare, but not the first Americans held by the pirates. We've had more held, and for longer, this is just more news worthy.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:38am |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
Of course he's making plans, silly. That garden has to be finished, there is that thing about the dog and someone has to get rid of all those pizza boxes.
Give the guy a break, he's the busiest president that we have ever had.
I thought he had the weekend off, Walt. It is EASTER, you know.
Obama has probably already asked someone How many f--g hours are there in these workweeks, anyway.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:46am |
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:47am |
re: #376 Hengineer
Just so you are aware of my credentials, I'm a US Merchant Mariner who graduated from the California Maritime Academy (we had some brief training about piracy and Maritime Security) in 2005, and am currently sailing for Military Sealift Command on a fleet support Oiler, the USNS Kanawha.
I've been off the Somali Coast, been on deployment giving fuel to those Navy vessels chasing pirates, and my ship was even approached by a small pirate vessel: thank goodness a powerful searchlight scared them off.
Did you go to school in Vallejo?
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:01:54am |
Barack Obama: Back to the pre-1800 future on piracy.
Scuttle the U.S. Navy and just pay up, you stupid bastards!/
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:02:16am |
re: #377 avanti
No disagreement there. I was just pointing out the issue is very complicated. BTW, this might be the first time it was a American flagged ship that was attacked, because they are rare, but not the first Americans held by the pirates. We've had more held, and for longer, this is just more news worthy.
Do you have any idea of how this should be handled. Now and in the future?
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:02:38am |
re: #380 HoosierHoops
Did you go to school in Vallejo?
That's where CMA is....
You can see the training ship from the I-80 Carquinez Bridge.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:03:00am |
re: #376 Hengineer
What do you think of using LRAD systems as a pirate deterrent?
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debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:03:41am |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
Instant Karma will get you!
Sorry OJ..The Golf course is closed to you..FOREVER!
He was nailed because he was trying to evade paying anything to the Goldman family - delightful karma despite a horrible cause.
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:03:52am |
re: #384 Hengineer
That's where CMA is....
You can see the training ship from the I-80 Carquinez Bridge.
I worked at MINSY for 20 years..I'm was nuke worker on Subs
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:03:58am |
re: #386 Hengineer
Deafening noise projectors:
[Link: defense-update.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:03:58am |
re: #378 katemaclaren
I thought he had the weekend off, Walt. It is EASTER, you know.
Obama has probably already asked someone How many f--g hours are there in these workweeks, anyway.
I don't have the Easter weekend off. We are building the set for the next show (opens next Friday), we have a concert tonight "Rocky Mountain JewGrass Festival" and I'm all around busy.
Headed to the theatre in a bit to get ready for tonight's concert.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:04:04am |
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lawhawk Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:04:24am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
There are only three references to piracy on the WH website, the most recent of which was the 9th. The silence is deafening, and it's sending all kinds of messages - both to Americans overseas (you're on your own) and to our enemies (have fun, and we're contemplating going to the UN to gain consensus on how to write a letter).
The Administration is clueless on how to deal with this issue, even though the mechanics should be pretty simple since there's 200+ years of consensus on how to deal with pirates (when the French take to the offense, following in the footsteps of the Indian government, you know that military action is warranted). Of course, this Administration likes throwing 200 years of consensus and law on its head to push an agenda that is antithetical to generations of doctrine and policy, so they'll sit back and let the FBI deal with it (why do I think of Hans Gruber at a time like this?)
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:05:13am |
re: #376 Hengineer
Just so you are aware of my credentials, I'm a US Merchant Mariner who graduated from the California Maritime Academy (we had some brief training about piracy and Maritime Security) in 2005, and am currently sailing for Military Sealift Command on a fleet support Oiler, the USNS Kanawha.
I've been off the Somali Coast, been on deployment giving fuel to those Navy vessels chasing pirates, and my ship was even approached by a small pirate vessel: thank goodness a powerful searchlight scared them off.
Why can't a CANON scare them off? Maybe they need LASER beams for searchlights these days. I'm actually not kidding. Why are these pirates so unafraid? Because none of these ships have a means of defense? I'm just asking. I am constantly surprised by this.
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:05:23am |
re: #390 jaunte
Deafening noise projectors:
[Link: defense-update.com...]
What? I can't hear you.
/teehee
I'm not sure, I've never experienced one.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:05:54am |
re: #377 avanti
No disagreement there. I was just pointing out the issue is very complicated. BTW, this might be the first time it was a American flagged ship that was attacked, because they are rare, but not the first Americans held by the pirates. We've had more held, and for longer, this is just more news worthy.
It has been 200 years since an American flagged ship has been attacked by pirates. This is unique.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:06:34am |
re: #394 katemaclaren
Why can't a CANON scare them off? Maybe they need LASER beams for searchlights these days. I'm actually not kidding. Why are these pirates so unafraid? Because none of these ships have a means of defense? I'm just asking. I am constantly surprised by this.
the merchant ships are unarmed
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Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:06:35am |
re: #394 katemaclaren
As I understand it, the merchant ships aren't armed. The crews aren't armed.
Insurance issues.
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realwest Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:07:06am |
Ah and now, after drooling over NY Pizza and sundry other food goodies out here, lunch IS ready!
I'm outta here for a while - but I hope you all have a GREAT day and that I do get the chance to see you all down the road.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:07:29am |
re: #376 Hengineer
Just so you are aware of my credentials, I'm a US Merchant Mariner who graduated from the California Maritime Academy (we had some brief training about piracy and Maritime Security) in 2005, and am currently sailing for Military Sealift Command on a fleet support Oiler, the USNS Kanawha.
I've been off the Somali Coast, been on deployment giving fuel to those Navy vessels chasing pirates, and my ship was even approached by a small pirate vessel: thank goodness a powerful searchlight scared them off.
I know the distances are vast but if this shit continues I wonder if convoying would be a solution. vast distances or not, even the pirates are limited by a certain radius of action. Just one warship assigned to a pack of freighters would no doubt counter any further raids.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:07:40am |
Just had Steely Dan's "Barrytown" come up on my random playlist. We're all living in Barrytown for the next 4 years.
I'm not one to look behind I know that times must change
But over there in Barrytown they do things very strange
And though you're not my enemy
I like things like they used to be
And though you'd like some company
I'm standing by myself
Go play with someone else
I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown
Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard
I just read the daily news and swear by every word
And don't think that I'm out of line
For speaking out for what is mine
Id like to see you do just fine
But look at what you wear
And the way you cut your hair
I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:00am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
I am deeply concerned about the fact that the President has made no statement about this at all.
I can only hope that there are plans being made in the background that we don't yet know about.
What statement would you suggest that would not enhance the perception that the pirates have a high profile hostage or interfere with the FBI negotiators ?
A kick ass and take names speech should come AFTER the captain is safe. Now, it's better to go about regular business and let the military do there job.
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:01am |
re: #394 katemaclaren
Why can't a CANON scare them off? Maybe they need LASER beams for searchlights these days. I'm actually not kidding. Why are these pirates so unafraid? Because none of these ships have a means of defense? I'm just asking. I am constantly surprised by this.
Arleigh Burkes have the Aegis AN/SPY-1D radar. That can send 6 million watts of microwave RF power down 1° of bearing. At one mile your microwave dinner is done in 60 seconds.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:02am |
re: #396 Hengineer
What? I can't hear you.
/teehee
I'm not sure, I've never experienced one.
I really don't know why those Merchant Ships transversing dangerous waters like this don't have properly trained ARMED GUARDS or Military escorts on them. It is obvious there is a problem here. And the solution isn't Brain surgery.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:29am |
re: #399 Dianna
As I understand it, the merchant ships aren't armed. The crews aren't armed.
Insurance issues.
Is being seized by pirates less of an insurance issue, FFS!?!
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:54am |
re: #14 Charles
Posting will be sporadic this weekend, folks.
Got a lot to do.
Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
I hope that while the "Cat" is away the mice don't get up too much mischief.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:08:59am |
re: #315 LGoPs
They otter know better.......
Dam. All this time, I thought the puns were a buzz thing.
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Dustyvet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:09:02am |
Because of their outlaw conduct, pirates -- and modern-day terrorists -- put themselves outside protection of the law, according to military strategy expert Dave McIntyre, a former dean at the National War College. "On the high seas if you saw a pirate, you sank the bastard," he says. "You assault pirates, you don't arrest pirates."
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:09:32am |
re: #402 LGoPs
I know the distances are vast but if this shit continues I wonder if convoying would be a solution. vast distances or not, even the pirates are limited by a certain radius of action. Just one warship assigned to a pack of freighters would no doubt counter any further raids.
non of that or any military solution will work it the feds treat it as a civil crime...which it seems they are....a disaster
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:09:45am |
re: #394 katemaclaren
Why can't a CANON scare them off? Maybe they need LASER beams for searchlights these days. I'm actually not kidding. Why are these pirates so unafraid? Because none of these ships have a means of defense? I'm just asking. I am constantly surprised by this.
Less people, knowledge that companies would pay and have insurance.
My ship has anywhere from 70-120 people on board, and once we go through the Suez Canal, we have a security force onboard with 0.50 cals and M16's.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:09:58am |
re: #393 lawhawk
Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
"Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think there is going to be a LOT of mulling during the next four years. hell, it's safer than making some sort of fucking decision.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:10:17am |
re: #409 capitalist piglet
Dam. All this time, I thought the puns were a buzz thing.
Buzz is the pun master. I'm merely an apprentice......
:)
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:10:28am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
"Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think there is going to be a LOT of mulling during the next four years. hell, it's safer than making some sort of fucking decision.
PRESENT!
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:10:37am |
Wow.
Way outside the norm:
28 year old female Sunday school teacher arrested for the murder of Sandra Cantu, the 8 year old child murdered in California.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:10:38am |
re: #405 jcm
Arleigh Burkes have the Aegis AN/SPY-1D radar. That can send 6 million watts of microwave RF power down 1° of bearing. At one mile your microwave dinner is done in 60 seconds.
a counter radar weapon?....what do they use it for
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:11:06am |
re: #410 Dustyvet
Because of their outlaw conduct, pirates -- and modern-day terrorists -- put themselves outside protection of the law, according to military strategy expert Dave McIntyre, a former dean at the National War College. "On the high seas if you saw a pirate, you sank the bastard," he says. "You assault pirates, you don't arrest pirates."
Any Captain was literally the "LAW" on his own ship. Any Captain hung any pirate immediately from the yardarm.
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Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:11:22am |
re: #407 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Is being seized by pirates less of an insurance issue, FFS!?!
I never said it was sensible!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:11:27am |
re: #408 Erik The Red
Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
I hope that while the "Cat" is away the mice don't get up too much mischief.
Last week on LOST... (cue floating logo against black field, music with airplane engine noises in background).
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:11:41am |
re: #412 Hengineer
Less people, knowledge that companies would pay and have insurance.
My ship has anywhere from 70-120 people on board, and once we go through the Suez Canal, we have a security force onboard with 0.50 cals and M16's.
But your attached to the USN. It should be that way for any Merchant Ship traveling in "Harms Way".
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:12:03am |
re: #408 Erik The Red
Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
I hope that while the "Cat" is away the mice don't get up too much mischief.
we're having fun! Squeak!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:12:24am |
re: #420 Dianna
I never said it was sensible!
My outrage wasn't directed at you, of course. Not unless you're a maritime insurance adjuster. But if you are...
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:12:47am |
re: #406 Nevergiveup
I really don't know why those Merchant Ships transversing dangerous waters like this don't have properly trained ARMED GUARDS or Military escorts on them. It is obvious there is a problem here. And the solution isn't Brain surgery.
IIRC during WWII (and perhaps WWI) I thought that merchant ships would have a small contingent of naval sailors or marines aboard? Perhaps my memory is bad......
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:13:17am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
"Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think there is going to be a LOT of mulling during the next four years. hell, it's safer than making some sort of fucking decision.
can not understand pirate intentions...gosh what a bummer
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:13:26am |
re: #397 opnion
It has been 200 years since an American flagged ship has been attacked by pirates. This is unique.
Yes, and I'd hate to see it solved in the normal manner with a insurance payoff even though that would save the captain.
Even arming the crews may not be a solution, a RPG attack on a tanker could be bad news. We need to kill some pirates, some way, without hostage loss to make a point.
| 428 |
jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:13:40am |
re: #417 albusteve
a counter radar weapon?....what do they use it for
That's the main radar, that can track and target a satellite in low orbit. It's phased array and the beam width and direction can be electronically steered.
At close ranges the radar itself could be used as an anti-personal weapon. Your microwave at home is around 1000W, this thing is 6,000,000W.
| 429 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:14:56am |
re: #414 LGoPs
Buzz is the pun master. I'm merely an apprentice......
:)
Yes, buzz tends to Trump us all.
| 430 |
Lincolntf Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:15:16am |
Hi all.
Just heard that another U.S. ship, crewed by Italians apparently, was taken today. Pirates
This spate of piracy is not going to end well.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:15:27am |
re: #428 jcm
That's the main radar, that can track and target a satellite in low orbit. It's phased array and the beam width and direction can be electronically steered.
At close ranges the radar itself could be used as an anti-personal weapon. Your microwave at home is around 1000W, this thing is 6,000,000W.
cool!....Zaaaaap...I like it
| 432 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:15:48am |
The dog insists on taking me for a walk..........
BBL
| 433 |
wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:15:54am |
re: #408 Erik The Red
Afternoon/Evening Lizards.
I hope that while the "Cat" is away the mice don't get up too much mischief.
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yesandno Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:17:25am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
I am deeply concerned about the fact that the President has made no statement about this at all.
I can only hope that there are plans being made in the background that we don't yet know about.
He can't comment as he and Geitner are looking into Piracy themselves as a possible solution to government bailouts and as a way of boosting the economy. After all, people keep referring to the "pirate econonmy"... I thought that was the government charging me for everything I do...now I find out that holding boats hostage is actually an alternative to working for a living....who knew....
//////
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Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:18:01am |
re: #422 Nevergiveup
But your attached to the USN. It should be that way for any Merchant Ship traveling in "Harms Way".
Its interesting how few American Flag Merchant ships there are, and those that are almost always have a Government Contract of some sort.
To have an escort for every single ship in the entire region would be a tremendous burden on our military, we'd have to coordinate with just about every other Naval vessel in the area.
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:18:11am |
re: #427 avanti
We need to kill some pirates, some way, without hostage loss to make a point.
I think I may have just given you my first Upding. Where is the Avanti that I hate?////
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:18:13am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
Hey! Here's some serious stop-action mulling:
Your text to link...
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capitalist piglet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:18:32am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
"Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think there is going to be a LOT of mulling during the next four years. hell, it's safer than making some sort of fucking decision.
Galaxy Quest Diplomacy™: "You're just going to have to figure out what it wants. What is its motivation?"
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:19:02am |
US officials say the FBI has begun a criminal investigation into the Somali pirates who hijacked a US Ship and are holding its captain hostage. Two officials said the bureau's New York office is handling the case. That office oversees investigations involving US citizens
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in Africa.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
it could lead to US charges against the pirates. That's something that Attorney General Eric Holder says has not happened in about 100 years. (AP)
Think the 'Pirates" read the NYTs. Home delivery or do they have to go out to the closest 7-11 to buy it.
| 440 |
katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:19:05am |
re: #437 katemaclaren
Damn. I'm still getting used to this thing!
Your text to link...
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:19:26am |
Hey Erik, hope things are going well down in your neck of the world. How's the house situation going?
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:19:55am |
re: #435 Hengineer
Its interesting how few American Flag Merchant ships there are, and those that are almost always have a Government Contract of some sort.
To have an escort for every single ship in the entire region would be a tremendous burden on our military, we'd have to coordinate with just about every other Naval vessel in the area.
I don't mean an escort, just on board protection.
| 443 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:20:22am |
re: #438 capitalist piglet
Galaxy Quest Diplomacy™: "You're just going to have to figure out what it wants. What is its motivation?"
Er, ok, what ever (I don't recognize your reference).
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:20:22am |
re: #439 Nevergiveup
Think the 'Pirates" read the NYTs. Home delivery or do they have to go out to the closest 7-11 to buy it.
They probably read it online.
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:20:45am |
re: #436 Erik The Red
We need to kill some pirates, some way, without hostage loss to make a point.
I think I may have just given you my first Upding. Where is the Avanti that I hate?////
Yesterday Avanti was in the top 10.....
| 446 |
Hengineer Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:04am |
re: #442 Nevergiveup
I don't mean an escort, just on board protection.
that would still require a lot of manpower and weaponry.
| 447 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:04am |
re: #442 Nevergiveup
I don't mean an escort, just on board protection.
it's not allowed by international agreement and insurance regulation
| 448 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:10am |
re: #440 katemaclaren
Damn. I'm still getting used to this thing!
Your text to link...
I figured it out the first time, don't worry.
Off to work, won't be back in until Sunday evening. See you all, have happy holiday weekend.
| 449 |
Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:13am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
Er, ok, what ever (I don't recognize your reference).
Best Tim Allen movie ever!
| 450 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:24am |
re: #407 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Is being seized by pirates less of an insurance issue, FFS!?!
Here's the pro and con from a longer piece:
On one hand, arms could escalate the situation so that more people are killed.
Still, he notes, “if you’re going to put weapons on a ship and train people to use them, you have to have plenty of firepower and know how to use it.”
“Use of armed crews who didn’t sign up to fight is a bad idea,” says Giles Noakes, chief maritime security officer for BIMCO, an international association of ship owners. “The industry believes very strongly that it’s not for the companies to train crews to use firearms and then arm them…. If you open fire, there’s potential for retaliation. Crews could get injured or killed, to say nothing of damage to the ship.”
Putting armed teams on board isn’t a good idea either, he says.
While it “might be successful initially, the pirates will look at this problem and come back with bigger weapons and fire them from a distance.”
One option is to have actual military teams from various countries on board, but the industry is on the fence about implementing it.
“With support vessels in proximity, it does make some sense,” Mr. Noakes says. “It’s not ideal. But it’s an idea that some companies and [ship] masters feel can work.”
| 451 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:41am |
re: #444 jaunte
They probably read it online.
That's true. So then they are probably on LGF also. So which Lizard do you all think is a Pirate?
| 452 |
Erik The Red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:49am |
re: #441 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue. Things are great here in Durban. The house is still not closed. I have faith that we will close in the next week. ( I have to otherwise I will go mad)
| 453 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:21:58am |
| 454 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:22:09am |
re: #446 Hengineer
that would still require a lot of manpower and weaponry.
But it seems to getting to that point in some areas
| 456 |
jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:22:33am |
re: #451 Nevergiveup
That's true. So then they are probably on LGF also. So which Lizard do you all think is a Pirate?
Pirates are renowned for lurking!
| 457 |
Scion9 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:22:41am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
Galaxy Quest. A Star Trek spoof of sorts.
| 458 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:22:46am |
re: #447 albusteve
it's not allowed by international agreement and insurance regulation
That can all change
| 459 |
katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:23:42am |
re: #451 Nevergiveup
That's true. So then they are probably on LGF also. So which Lizard do you all think is a Pirate?
Tickle them and see which one goes: Yo Ho Ho!
| 460 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:25:01am |
re: #396 Hengineer
What? I can't hear you.
/teehee
I'm not sure, I've never experienced one.
Leaf-blowers would be cheap and work perfectly.
| 461 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:25:44am |
re: #449 HoosierHoops
Best Tim Allen movie ever!
Possible the best Star Trek movie ever. Even though it's not really Star Trek.
| 462 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:25:51am |
Well, we could always kill the pirates in job lots by sinking their boats. Then go to their villages, eject everyone, burn the flammable, fill in the wells, and otherwise render the villages former villages.
Then, if we catch people from said village committing piracy later, we burn the village with the pirates in it.
Not pretty, bound to lead to much outcry, but it might send the pirates off to look for another line of work.
| 463 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:26:01am |
re: #458 Nevergiveup
That can all change
of course it can...the whole situation is folly...it's just another example of the fantasy world people live in....dump the regs, withdraw from internation convention...get the ports on line with modern times...they make money too...hire some shooters from Pirates-R-Us and the whole thing will come to a screeching halt
| 464 |
jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:26:12am |
Ahmadinejad Says Iran Masters Final Stage of Nuke Fuel Production
Iran now controls the entire cycle for producing nuclear fuel with the opening of a new facility to produce uranium fuel pellets, the Iranian president said Saturday.Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made the speech two days after the inauguration of the facility which produces uranium oxide pellets for a planned 40-megawatt heavy-water nuclear reactor near the town of Arak, central Iran.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:26:16am |
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:26:19am |
The best treatment for a disease is to cure it, not treat the symptom.
Pirates are a symptom.
Somalia is the disease.
Action needs to be taken there.
And it would not be preemptive at this point.
Time to grow up and be a man Mr. "0"!
Me, I'm going surfing.............sun's finally back out.
| 467 |
Dustyvet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:27:12am |
re: #459 katemaclaren
Tickle them and see which one goes: Yo Ho Ho!
Just look for the one wearing a hook and an eye patch, then you can dispence with all the touchy feeley stuff...:)
| 468 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:28:02am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
Er, ok, what ever (I don't recognize your reference).
Oh, sorry - it's just a line from a goofy sci-fi spoof movie. They're wasting time trying to figure out why a rock monster is attacking them.
| 469 |
Son of the Black Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:28:49am |
We could always give the pirates a suitcase full of nice crisp genuine North Korean US $100 bills.
| 470 |
Opilio Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:28:54am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
Er, ok, what ever (I don't recognize your reference).
GalaxyQuest, truly funny flick. YMMV.
| 471 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:30:24am |
re: #466 IslandLibertarian
The best treatment for a disease is to cure it, not treat the symptom.
Pirates are a symptom.
Somalia is the disease.
Action needs to be taken there.
And it would not be preemptive at this point.
but you know how bambi will see this - need to give everyone in Somalia a bailout and stimulus package, an iPod and a Chevy Tahoe hybrid, and that will fix the pirate problem!
Only problem is, it won't.
| 472 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:31:02am |
re: #468 capitalist piglet
Oh, sorry - it's just a line from a goofy sci-fi spoof movie. They're wasting time trying to figure out why a rock monster is attacking them.
Oh, I see. Well, I would suggest they need to figure out what is its motivation.
| 473 |
jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:31:33am |
Climate bill could trigger lawsuit landslide
Self-proclaimed victims of global warming or those who "expect to suffer" from it - from beachfront property owners to asthmatics - for the first time would be able to sue the federal government or private businesses over greenhouse gas emissions under a little-noticed provision slipped into the House climate bill.
One more reason to consider practicing law, then getting elected to make laws is a fundamental conflict of interest.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:31:40am |
UN Security Council Nations Agree to Condemn N. Korea's Rocket Launch
The five permanent veto-wielding members -- the U.S., China, Russia, Britain and France -- and Japan met after Tokyo backed down from a demand that the Security Council adopt a new resolution, the strongest response from the U.N.'s most powerful body.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
UN does absolutely nothing and Susan Rice said :"We think the text sends a clear message," Rice said, without disclosing details.
Fuck You Susan and your boss also.
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yesandno Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:32:13am |
Think we need to make the argument that Piracy is a business and that the captain of the pirates is a CEO that is stealing from the little people...
Without a doubt, someone would fire him and the US could take over the business....
Obama rule # 5...make the successful pay for their success.
/well it works for other busniess why not the pirate economy...
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:32:27am |
re: #474 Nevergiveup
UN Security Council Nations Agree to Condemn N. Korea's Rocket Launch
The five permanent veto-wielding members -- the U.S., China, Russia, Britain and France -- and Japan met after Tokyo backed down from a demand that the Security Council adopt a new resolution, the strongest response from the U.N.'s most powerful body.[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
UN does absolutely nothing and Susan Rice said :"We think the text sends a clear message," Rice said, without disclosing details.
Fuck You Susan and your boss also.
Thug's live in fear of text.
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:32:51am |
re: #445 jcm
Yesterday Avanti was in the top 10.....
It'll happen again if BHO turns out to have restrained the Navy or writes a taxpayer check to the pirates. I don't expect to see him swing in on a lanyard with a dagger in his mouth, but let the Navy get some pirate killing practice.
I'd love to see them move in quickly, but fear the headline. "Captain dies in rescue attempt" and will gladly wait to keep him alive and well for the best chance of success.
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itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:33:21am |
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:34:31am |
re: #477 avanti
Unfortunately I do believe you are right in your assessment. My personal feeling about this current hostage situation is that it's not going to end well at all.
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jaunte Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:34:52am |
re: #475 yesandno
People who think the world needs economic leveling see no problem in th pirates draining money from 'the rich' through higher shipping and insurance rates.
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Son of the Black Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:36:06am |
re: #439 Nevergiveup
Think the 'Pirates" read the NYTs. Home delivery or do they have to go out to the closest 7-11 to buy it.
Do Indians run the 7-11's in East Africa?
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jcm Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:36:07am |
re: #477 avanti
It'll happen again if BHO turns out to have restrained the Navy or writes a taxpayer check to the pirates. I don't expect to see him swing in on a lanyard with a dagger in his mouth, but let the Navy get some pirate killing practice.
I'd love to see them move in quickly, but fear the headline. "Captain dies in rescue attempt" and will gladly wait to keep him alive and well for the best chance of success.
I hope once the status of the Capt. is resolved succesfully I hope, Pirate killing is on the agenda.
Rescue the Capt., kill pirates wreak their stuff. Would be a good thing, and a positive for Obama.
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solomonpanting Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:38:42am |
re: #477 avanti
Obama is currently getting advice from Jimmy Carter about a potential helicopter rescue.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:38:50am |
re: #482 jcm
We have to be very careful about killing the pirates. Their families might sue us and soon we won't have enough money left even to buy them another Jolly Roger.
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yesandno Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:39:21am |
Kind of liked Rush's take yesterday. Warn all the boats in the water they have 24 hours to get back to land. At zero dark early when the 24 hours expire, you attack everything else remaining in the water.......
/unrealistic, I know...innocent victims and all...
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:39:30am |
re: #483 solomonpanting
Oh. Ouch. Wow. THAT'S prescient!
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:40:10am |
re: #479 BlueCanuck
Unfortunately I do believe you are right in your assessment. My personal feeling about this current hostage situation is that it's not going to end well at all.
I understand everyone running around screaming "do something", but pity the guys that finally come up with a plan and executes it. If it fails, I'd rather be coaching from the sidelines where no one dies then be the point guy.
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Dustyvet Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:40:17am |
Al Qaeda's Africa Strategy #6: Disrupt Western Shipping
Marisa at Making Sense of Jihad reprints a summary of Abu Azzam al-Ansari's 2006 discourse outlining al Qaeda's Africa strategy. With the world's attention finally focused on Somalia, it would be wise for policy makers to pay close attention to point #6:
6 Western interests use Africa’s “maritime routes” to transfer weapons and equipment” and “use these routes to shift oil to the rest of the world. Targeting these routes will be fatal for the Crusaders…”
[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:40:48am |
re: #483 solomonpanting
Obama is currently getting advice from Jimmy Carter about a potential helicopter rescue.
Well they probably will not have to worry about forgetting to put sand screens over the motor intakes since they'll be on water?
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solomonpanting Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:40:50am |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:41:48am |
re: #477 avanti
Okay. Where's the REAL Avanti?
--seriously, though. Glad to see clear-sighted comment.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:43:41am |
re: #487 avanti
I understand everyone running around screaming "do something", but pity the guys that finally come up with a plan and executes it. If it fails, I'd rather be coaching from the sidelines where no one dies then be the point guy.
At least, from our point of view, there's no place for them to go. No place to take and hide the Captain. Probably not much water or provisions let--and someone somewhere sometime is going to have to the POTTY...BAD.
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:45:56am |
re: #487 avanti
I understand everyone running around screaming "do something", but pity the guys that finally come up with a plan and executes it. If it fails, I'd rather be coaching from the sidelines where no one dies then be the point guy.
Avanti here is where we fundamentally part ways. It is not about doing what is right for your reputation. It is about doing the right thing.
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Pietr Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:46:25am |
Saturday Afternoon Open Thread-------------------->
Maybe we'll make it a SADT.......Heh Heh.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:46:32am |
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:47:36am |
re: #489 Nevergiveup
Well they probably will not have to worry about forgetting to put sand screens over the motor intakes since they'll be on water?
Confused me for a moment since I've cleaned a few sand screens on LCM's while on the beach.(mike boats).
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 11:48:44am |
#475
UN does absolutely nothing and Susan Rice said :"We think the text sends a clear message," Rice said, without disclosing details.
...oh yeah. It's CLEAR all right. Clear that the UN is doin' nuttin', honey.
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Chris L. Sat, Apr 11, 2009 1:34:14pm |
Thanks for the video, Charles. Haven't heard that in a LONG time. Great song.
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