Bookseller ... Bookseller ... that is all ... whatever will sell a book ...

God talks to me every day and tells me the Yankees suck. Why is Fox News not reporting this?

Repost, applicable:

Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders

"When it came time to rally support for California’s Proposition 8, Pastor Rick Warren’s message was loud and clear: “Now let me say this really clearly: We support Proposition 8," the evangelical leader said via video message to his 22,000-member church the week before the anti-gay marriage measure went into effect in November. But now Warren may have changed his mind about gay marriage. In an interview with Larry King, Warren said he "never once even gave an endorsement” of the proposition, and that he was just “a pastor talking to his people” who, all of a sudden, was turned into the “poster boy for anti-gay marriage." “I wrote to all my gay friends—the leaders that I knew—and actually apologized to them,” Warren said. Leaders of the evangelical community and members of Warren’s church are bewildered at his turnaround on the issue. “He is being politically correct instead of biblically courageous,” one pastor said."

If you’re asking me do I believe in evolution, the answer is no, I don’t. I believe that God, at a moment, created man. I do believe Genesis is literal, but I do also know metaphorical terms are used. Did God come down and blow in man’s nose? If you believe in God, you don’t have a problem accepting miracles. So if God wants to do it that way, it’s fine with me.

Uh, Rick? What if he used evolution? Would you still be "fine" with that?

Remember Rick Warren went to Syria and pronounced it a wonderful place for religious minorities. He had Obama to his megachurch for a big AIDS confab a couple of years ago.

The guy is about nothing more than promoting Rick Warren and his Christian self-help psychobabble books.

He slithered in to fill Ted Haggard's place after he disgraced himself and had to be cut loose from the Bush "evangelical czar" outreach position.

Bush threw Franklin Graham overboard after 9/11/01 because Graham spoke the truth about Islam, which Graham has decades of experience with. Bush preferred Ted Haggard and then Rick Warren. That's about all I need to know about Rick Warren, and, frankly, about GW Bush.

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

Ironically, I see a google ad for gnmagazine dot org.

re: #3 pink freud

Wow. Image cleanup indeed.

Warren reminds me of Jesse Jackson. A tool, always catching just the right angle for the most profit.

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

Where will that leave Huckabee? Under the bus?

This is clearly unfair. All Sam Harris has to contest Warren's opposition to evolution is a mountain of unrefutted empirically tested scientific evidence.

re: #7 Sharmuta

Ironically, I see a google ad for gnmagazine dot org.

I see an ad for "Redefining Christianity" and "The Purpose Driven Life". No foolin'. I do.

Wheee ...!

Actually- I see a whole google widget full of creationist ads:

Come experience Ken Ham at CHEA's XXV Annual Homeschool Convention

Ken Ham- uh... NO THANKS!

Google ads are driven by keywords.

The keywords in this case being "Rick Warren."

People who pay for these ads pick the keywords they want to target.

You're seeing the fundamentalist money at work. It's fascinating.

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

* * * *
Nah, Warren's too fat and bearded.

Warren can't compete in any shape, way or form, with Charlton Heston at his peak as Moses the Deliverer, over on ABC's annual Charlton Hestonathon, "The Ten Commandments".

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

I will not have my party's candidate run around in a Hawaiian shirt.

and the GOP suicide pact marches on

re: #9 pink freud

Warren reminds me of Jesse Jackson. A tool, always catching just the right angle for the most profit.

Absolutely agree with you. It's clear to me the purpose driving his life is $$$.

kooks to the left of me, preachers to the right, here I am stck in the middle with Joos.

re: #15 Charles

Those Google ads are driven by keywords.

The keywords in this case being "Rick Warren."

People who pay for these ads pick the keywords they want to target.

You're seeing the fundamentalist money at work. It's fascinating.

Take their money, Charles. It's karmic.

re: #18 Shug

and the GOP suicide pact marches on

* * * *
Sorry, but that's not fair to the rest of us who aren't drinking whatever Koolaid you thing some are taking.

re: #22 alegrias

* * * *
Sorry, but that's not fair to the rest of us who aren't drinking whatever Koolaid you thing some are taking.

so the rest of you go out and get a sane individual as the nominee.
as I see it, the powers that be in the republican party are Hell bent on destroying the party with their new earth creationist bullshit

re: #19 Sharmuta

Absolutely agree with you. It's clear to me the purpose driving his life is $$$.

He's more interested in living the Chauffeur Driven Life.

Rick Warren hmmm... ICK.

I'm just amazed at the stunning display of theological hypocrisy that some of these folks show- that God can do miracles, God can do anything(!) but evolution isn't one of them. Well- if God can't use evolution, how am I supposed to think He can do miracles?

re: #21 Sharmuta

Well Google gets the money, and then pays Charles if anyone clicks it - not sure what his conversion rate is going to be on Rick Warren ads on this site - hah

Warren is a clown and a shameless huckster.

re: #27 rhino2

Well Google gets the money, and then pays Charles if anyone clicks it - not sure what his conversion rate is going to be on Rick Warren ads on this site - hah

Should we click some for research purposes? Could provide some giggles.

The United Nations force in southern Lebanon is on its way to "disintegrating," senior defense officials warned on Saturday, after Poland announced it was withdrawing its troops from the peacekeeping force.

Polish Defense Minister Bogdan Klich announced on Friday during a visit to Lebanon that the 500 Polish soldiers currently assigned to UNIFIL would return home by the end of the year.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Are the USA and Great Britain the only 2 countries in the Free World with a Military force over 2,500 people? I think if you don't contribute to the continued freedom of the Western World, you authta just shut the F.. Up. And this is not aimed at Poland which by and large does more than the others.

re: #28 JammieWearingFool

Warren is a clown and a shameless huckster.

And with Pink Freud's #3 he's also a bald-faced liar.

re: #26 Sharmuta

I'm just amazed at the stunning display of theological hypocrisy that some of these folks show- that God can do miracles, God can do anything(!) but evolution isn't one of them. Well- if God can't use evolution, how am I supposed to think He can do miracles?

They demean the wonder of God's creations, as well as the gift of intelligence God has given us.

re: #15 Charles

Google ads are driven by keywords.

The keywords in this case being "Rick Warren."

People who pay for these ads pick the keywords they want to target.

You're seeing the fundamentalist money at work. It's fascinating.

Must be my avatar, as I often see NY Giants ads.

re: #15 Charles

heh. Yeah. One google ad I see at the top says, "Evolution or Creation? Is evolution just a theory? You can prove creation,..."

I've noticed Warren all over the damned place this week.

Eh...another famewhore for christ.

$$$ will be accepted.

I do believe Genesis is literal, but I do also know metaphorical terms are used.

Isn't it interesting that apparently only Rick Warren is privileged enough to know what what was intended metaphorically and what was meant to be taken literally in the bible.

re: #29 Sharmuta

Couldn't hurt!

re: #29 Sharmuta

Should we click some for research purposes? Could provide some giggles.

Well here's the site I saw when I clicked on the ad. Good News Magazine.

Rick Warren, author of "The Profit-Driven Life."

I would have no problem with these people if they weren't tacking their crazy shit onto the same platform as small government. They're dragging good ideas through the mud with their bullshit. SpaceJesus is moving to Samoa.

Ha! This oughta be a real interesting panel:

Pastor Rick Warren to be guest on ABC's "This Week" on Easter

"The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, will be the headliner guest on ABC's "This Week" this weekend. The ABC program airs at 11 a.m. on WFTV-Channel 9. A round-table discussion brings together George Will, economist Paul Krugman of The New York Times, Ruth Marcus of The Washington Post and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich."

I can already smell the thread ...

Warren's a good buddy of Obama's and McCain's, correct?

re: #38 BlueCanuck

Well here's the site I saw when I clicked on the ad. Good News Magazine.

There's some Darwinism too! Oxford Round Table

Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true? And if your answer is yes, are you then saying that the influence of Judeo-Christianity is irrelevant?

re: #6 Charles

If Huckabee couldn't pull it off, neither can Warren. Huckabee is a really slick Baptist preacher, but his support was regional.

I don't know but the word "Huckster" keeps coming to mind?

re: #26 Sharmuta

I'm just amazed at the stunning display of theological hypocrisy that some of these folks show- that God can do miracles, God can do anything(!) but evolution isn't one of them. Well- if God can't use evolution, how am I supposed to think He can do miracles?

Rick Warren types don't want a God capable of creating the incredible cosmos that our science is revealing more everyday. An entity capable of doing that is worthy of being called God. They don't want a God, they want a magician.

re: #42 quickjustice

Warren's a good buddy of Obama's and McCain's, correct?

There are no good buddies in politics, only strange bedfellows.

re: #44 countrygurl

Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true? And if your answer is yes, are you then saying that the influence of Judeo-Christianity is irrelevant?

Wanna try that again?

re: #44 countrygurl

Excuse me?

re: #49 Charles

Wanna try that again?

Good- I thought i was going senile and couldn't make sense of an English sentence anymore?

re: #44 countrygurl

Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true? And if your answer is yes, are you then saying that the influence of Judeo-Christianity is irrelevant?

Say what?

re: #40 spacejesus

I would have no problem with these people if they weren't tacking their crazy shit onto the same platform as small government.

Boy- I wish you stuck more to comments like this, because you're right. Smaller government (real conservatism) has nothing to do with promoting religious beliefs. These people are not in the correct party. I don't think the democrats are for them either, but based on what Thanos found out about the Dominionists running the (so-called) Constitution Party, maybe that's where they should go.

Try what, Charles?

re: #54 countrygurl

Try what, Charles?

Making sense. That would be good.

re: #54 countrygurl

Please clarify your earlier thought for me. I'm a little dense, and didn't understand you.

sleeper

I really don't care what Rick Warren believes anymore than I care about the spiritual beliefs of a Navajo or a Hindu. So long as his beliefs are not taught in public school science classrooms, he can believe whatever he wants.

re: #57 Shug

Possibly, could be just a lurker though.

re: #44 countrygurl

Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true? And if your answer is yes, are you then saying that the influence of Judeo-Christianity is irrelevant?

Uh- those who don't believe in evolution say it's can't be true because the Bible is literal.

North Korea Is In Trouble Now...Security Council Agrees On A Strongly Worded Letter
—DrewM.

In yet another display of Obama's awesomely awesome diplomatic prowess, the UN Security Council has reached an agreement on how to respond to last week's missile launch by North Kora.

The US said it wanted a tough resolution (for what little that's worth) but not even Obama's bowing and scraping tour of Europe could get Russia and China to go for that. All the US and Japan got was a "Presidential Statement".

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

And this Ace has right!

re: #54 countrygurl

Try what, Charles?

Can you restate that question?

Pretend I'm dense. OK don't pretend.

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

I hope not...I really hope not.

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

what?

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

Ugh try one phase at a time?

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

That did not help.

/Maybe I'm dense

re: #63 countrygurl

Your question makes no sense. Those who disagree with evolution do so because they think that if evolution is true then none of the Christian faith is.

re: #63 countrygurl

I support the theory of evolution. I'm also a Christian. I see no inconsistency in the two positions.

re: #67 rhino2

That did not help.

/Maybe I'm dense

If you are, I 'm right there with ya?

That's a very sleepy sleeper

She has her question bass ackwards.

Here at LGF, many of us accept evolution and God, countrygurl.

You know what else God told Rick Warren?

Go get us some of that sweet sweet faith based initiative cash!

And Rick Warren obeyed the Lord.

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution

Muslims?

saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

Yes?

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

You twisted me in a circle trying to read that.

I talk to Rick Warren every day. He tells me NY style is real pizza and Chicago isn't.

re: #74 Racer X

You figured it out! Makes sense now.

Racer X -- sometimes I think I'm really dense! I'm just trying to understand what I really believe, not trying to cause any trouble, really just asking for opinions about what it means to reject evolution, while holding onto the believe of Christ as the redeemer. I thought since it was Easter it would be an appropriate topic, but maybe not.

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

Okay, let's see if I can rephrase your question so I can understand it.

Are people who believe in evolution saying that none of Christian faith is true?

If this is what you're asking, tap once.

re: #73 MPH

The practice of the government giving money to NGOs in general, and faith-based NGOs in particular, is wrong at so many levels.

re: #76 BigPapa

I talk to Rick Warren every day. He tells me NY style is real pizza and Chicago isn't.

LOL
good one!
*that was really funny*

re: #78 countrygurl

Rejecting evolution means rejecting reality.

re: #63 countrygurl

Ok, I'll ask one question at a time:
Are you folks who disagree with evolution saying that since evolution can't be true, none of the Christian faith is true?

Is English your second language? Most of us here believe in evolution. Many of us also believe in God. Creationists are the ones who believe evolution and Christianity are incompatible.

re: #78 countrygurl

Racer X -- sometimes I think I'm really dense! I'm just trying to understand what I really believe, not trying to cause any trouble, really just asking for opinions about what it means to reject evolution, while holding onto the believe of Christ as the redeemer. I thought since it was Easter it would be an appropriate topic, but maybe not.

Amazed.

re: #78 countrygurl

Racer X -- sometimes I think I'm really dense! I'm just trying to understand what I really believe, not trying to cause any trouble, really just asking for opinions about what it means to reject evolution, while holding onto the believe of Christ as the redeemer. I thought since it was Easter it would be an appropriate topic, but maybe not.

Furthermore- you can have BOTH Jesus and evolution. It's called Theistic evolution, and billions of Christians around the world subscribe to it.

Listening to Mozart's unfinished Mass in C Minor on the radio right now...Absolutely beautiful.

re: #78 countrygurl

Racer X -- sometimes I think I'm really dense! I'm just trying to understand what I really believe, not trying to cause any trouble, really just asking for opinions about what it means to reject evolution, while holding onto the believe of Christ as the redeemer. I thought since it was Easter it would be an appropriate topic, but maybe not.

OK gotcha.

I sum it up like this:

God created everything a long time ago. We have been evolving ever since.

God certainly has the capacity to put evolution in motion knowing full well EXACTLY what will happen along the way. He does not need to intervene at every juncture. He knows what the outcome will be.

All powerful / All knowing.

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

I'm wondering if four years of Obama is going to make this nation more evangelical or less.

The religious conservatives sure are piping up more loudly now than they were during Bush's time. Or, to paraphrase Glenn Beck, at least it feels that way, doesn't it?

Not sure what Easter has to do with evolution, except that people who reject evolution probably still believe in The Easter Bunny

I think I'll give up my lizard status, obviously not worthy...

re: #88 countrygurl

Perhaps ESL for a semester.

re: #88 countrygurl

Nope, just because some of us are Evolutionists doesn't mean we are atheists.

re: #87 Racer X

OK gotcha.

I sum it up like this:

God created everything a long time ago. We have been evolving ever since.

God certainly has the capacity to put evolution in motion knowing full well EXACTLY what will happen along the way. He does not need to intervene at every juncture. He knows what the outcome will be.

All powerful / All knowing.

Can he give me the winner in the 5th at Belmont on Monday?

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

I believe in evolution and I do not reject the Christian faith.

re: #91 countrygurl

I think I'll give up my lizard status, obviously not worthy...

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution. Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God

Lao Stinky

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

No. Creatonism and Christianity are not the same thing. Just ask the Pope. Or 1.6 billion evolution-accepting Roman Catholics.

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

Stay off the moonshine and ya'll be ok. We still love ya.

somebody help me and Uberinfidel ... in the last thread ... we are trying to blue our nics ... we are failing badly ...

re: #94 Nevergiveup

Can he give me the winner in the 5th at Belmont on Monday?

He could. But he won't. He gave that info to the guy who really needed it.

well, i did serve a purpose today, ya'll got a good laff at my expense, but I can take it

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

Absolutely not! The Catholic Church, for one, accepts evolution. They're hardly rejecting Christianity.

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

Not an idiot, maybe you're just sleep-posting.

The answer for me is no. I have no problem reconciling my faith with evolution.

re: #88 countrygurl

OMG - i see now, what an idiot i am! I meant, the opposite of what asked.

Are those you reject CREATIONISM also rejecting the Christian faith.

What an idiot, guess I really am a "sleeper"

No, my dear, most of us who reject Creationism do not reject the Christian faith. The Catholic Church recognizes the reality of evolution as do many other Christians.

re: #99 JacksonTn

somebody help me and Uberinfidel ... in the last thread ... we are trying to blue our nics ... we are failing badly ...

*hands Jackson a blue Crayon*

re: #99 JacksonTn

somebody help me and Uberinfidel ... in the last thread ... we are trying to blue our nics ... we are failing badly ...

Just put in your email address and click show email in the box below friend

Belief in evolution goes very nicely with a belief in God

See:
God gave me a brain and I am using it.

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Just put in your email address and click show email in the box below friend

put it in where? ..

re: #101 countrygurl

Are you genuinely curious? I have a book I could recommend for you about an Evangelical and scientist discussing evolution. Perhaps that would help you?

What is the name of the book, Sharmuta?

re: #108 JacksonTn

put it in where? ..

The box that says email..right below us...that little box right there

re: #111 HoosierHoops

The box that says email..right below us...that little box right there

um ... will everybody see my email then? ... or can they just send me email? ... I don't want everybody to see my email address ... I am an idiot ... help ...

re: #110 countrygurl

Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution

Plus it's on sale! Just $6.99. I recommend it for others interested in evolution- there's a nice history of the creationist movement too.

so there is more than one idiot out tonight!

Just in time for Easter.

/lovely

re: #114 countrygurl

so there is more than one idiot out tonight!

ha ha ha ... why yes ... of course ...

Jackson, if you blue your nic then yes, anyone logged in will be able to click on it and see it.

I’m willing to admit my presuppositions: there are clues to God. I talk to God every day. He talks to me.

It is very foolish to say these things on a national news show, in the USA, these days.

Thanks, Sharmuta, I'll order on amzon now

If I figure out how a magician does a magic trick, it does not make the magician less of a magician. If a child of God learns how God created His Creation it does not diminish God. It just makes that child smarter. Could any parent wish for less?

re: #112 JacksonTn

um ... will everybody see my email then? ... or can they just send me email? ... I don't want everybody to see my email address ... I am an idiot ... help ...

yup...everybody sees your email..
The good thing is we will send you links to penis enhancers and viagra deals in Canada...what's not to like? :)

re: #114 countrygurl

Don't be hard on yourself. You have questions, and it's nothing to beat yourself over in having made a mistake.

re: #117 pink freud

Jackson, if you blue your nic then yes, anyone logged in will be able to click on it and see it.

okay thanks ... then that is not an option for me ... cuz it is my business email ... what is that thing where you can send an email and you have to put in that backwards code thing ...

evolution/i.d. is not a issue i intend to fall on my sword over. when all the issues i care about are settled (i.e. after the Messiah has come and we have world peace) then i will feel i have time to debate this issue. until then I have many other more pressing issues to deal with.

to me the whole politicization of science is wrong who ever is doing it the right or left. the far right on this issue and the left on global warming.

I ( temporarily ) retract my " sleeper" statement until further notice

countrygirl,

Probably the best defence of belief and of evolution is Ken Miller's "Finding Darwin's God". You should be able to get it from your library. It kind of relies on a God of the gaps argument in the end, but it's still good.

Warren seems to be a more eloquent speaker than I would have expected, but I doubt that he has known many atheists as he suggests he has, and it is clear where his rationality stops when he says atheists just don't want to have a boss.

Why do so many, not all, believers feel that they would not know how to function without instruction?

However when he has the last word and makes Pascal's Wager be his foundation, I lost the temptation to accord him any intellectual respect.

re: #119 countrygurl

Thanks, Sharmuta, I'll order on amzon now

Make sure to use the LGF Amazon link Sharm provided! :)

re: #119 countrygurl

Thanks, Sharmuta, I'll order on amzon now

It's a little book- not difficult to understand. Mr. Giberson had originally gone into science to prove creationism, and came to discover evolution was true, but he maintains his faith. You can have both.

re: #123 JacksonTn

okay thanks ... then that is not an option for me ... cuz it is my business email ... what is that thing where you can send an email and you have to put in that backwards code thing ...

Jackson, you can enter ANY email in that box that you choose, it doesn't have to be your work email.

The backwards thing pertains to the same blu'd nick system.

re: #117 pink freud

Jackson, if you blue your nic then yes, anyone logged in will be able to click on it and see it.

Pink ... you emailed me before ... or did I email you? ... how did that work? ... anyway ... UberInfidel ... you gonna have to blue your nic ... man, I need a different email address ...

Speaking of Evolution:

A volcano erupting in the Galapagos Islands could harm unique wildlife, Ecuador officials said Saturday.

The Galapagos National Park said La Cumbre volcano began spewing lava, gas and smoke on uninhabited Fernandina Island on Saturday after four years of inactivity.

The park said in a statement the eruption was not a threat to people living on nearby Isabela Island, but that lava flowing to the sea would likely affect marine and terrestrial iguanas, wolves and other fauna.

The Galapagos are home to unique animal and plant species that became the basis for Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

God isn't interested in technology

Rick Warren is bad.

/all his parishioners should be ashamed of themselves

re: #123 JacksonTn

okay thanks ... then that is not an option for me ... cuz it is my business email ... what is that thing where you can send an email and you have to put in that backwards code thing ...

Non Lizards won't be able to see it. And as for me, I promise I won't look.

re: #130 pink freud

Jackson, you can enter ANY email in that box that you choose, it doesn't have to be your work email.

The backwards thing pertains to the same blu'd nick system.

You mean I can put in a gmail account in that box? ... cuz didn't you have to have a legit email to register? ...

re: #15 Charles

Google ads are driven by keywords.

The keywords in this case being "Rick Warren."

People who pay for these ads pick the keywords they want to target.

You're seeing the fundamentalist money at work. It's fascinating.

Oh noes! Teh fundiez!

/

re: #132 Nevergiveup

Speaking of Evolution:

A volcano erupting in the Galapagos Islands could harm unique wildlife, Ecuador officials said Saturday.

The Galapagos National Park said La Cumbre volcano began spewing lava, gas and smoke on uninhabited Fernandina Island on Saturday after four years of inactivity.

The park said in a statement the eruption was not a threat to people living on nearby Isabela Island, but that lava flowing to the sea would likely affect marine and terrestrial iguanas, wolves and other fauna.

The Galapagos are home to unique animal and plant species that became the basis for Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

SAVE THE WILDLIFE!
STOP PLATE TECTONICS!

re: #132 Nevergiveup

if mother earth kills um off it is all part of evolution isn't it?

re: #124 yochanan

to me the whole politicization of science is wrong who ever is doing it the right or left. the far right on this issue and the left on global warming.

What were the scientific political issues of the left or right before, say, global warming came on the scene the past few years?

The question is, can a creationist believe in Global Warming?

Genesis 8:22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

re: #131 JacksonTn

Pink ... you emailed me before ... or did I email you? ... how did that work? ... anyway ... UberInfidel ... you gonna have to blue your nic ... man, I need a different email address ...

We're in big trouble if we're counting on my memory!

Create a gmail addy. Enter that one in the box for uber. That should work (I hope ...Charles? is this correct?)

Or, ask uber to blue her nick for you, and you email her.

re: #139 yochanan

if mother earth kills um off it is all part of evolution isn't it?

What if Mom is getting senile?

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

I just threw up in my mouth.

I believe the quantum leap is the smallest thing that ever happens. People mistakenly attribute that process to big things.

re: #138 jcm

SAVE THE WILDLIFE!
STOP PLATE TECTONICS!

NOTIFY THE UN!
/

re: #142 pink freud

We're in big trouble if we're counting on my memory!

Create a gmail addy. Enter that one in the box for uber. That should work (I hope ...Charles? is this correct?)

Or, ask uber to blue her nick for you, and you email her.

Just tried the gmail address ... defaulted back to my legit email ... I give up for tonight ... sigh ...

re: #140 Naso Tang

What were the scientific political issues of the left or right before, say, global warming came on the scene the past few years?

Evolution has been an issue for years, it seems to me.
fluoride in drinking water,
pesticide use,
air and water pollution
ALAR!,

re: #143 Nevergiveup

What if Mom is getting senile?

You talkin' about me?!?!?

Once a year I watch the 10 commandments..
You know what is cool..An adopted kid becomes a prince of Egypt..
Boinks the Queen of Egypt..Gets cast out and gets rescued by 7 hot sisters..
Moses has it made..
/I'm kidding lizards

re: #144 Alouette

I just threw up in my mouth.

You, too?

re: #141 mich-again

The question is, can a creationist believe in Global Warming?

Genesis 8:22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

I note that there are no actual temperatures given there.

Don't attend church.

/it sucks

re: #136 JacksonTn

Gmail is legit...so long as you don't put a fake gmail address in there.

FBI Begins Building Criminal Case Against Somali Pirates

WASHINGTON — FBI agents planned to interview the crew of a U.S. cargo ship Saturday as the bureau began building a criminal case against Somali pirates who attacked the ship and took the captain hostage

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Isn't this like de-evolution? Or back to the Future?

re: #147 JacksonTn

Just tried the gmail address ... defaulted back to my legit email ... I give up for tonight ... sigh ...

Jackson -
if you have an e-mail other than the one you used to register,
and you want people to use it,
put it in your profile information, and when people click your avatar, they will see it.
For an example, click my avatar (not my nic, my avatar).

re: #147 JacksonTn

Just tried the gmail address ... defaulted back to my legit email ... I give up for tonight ... sigh ...

Try entering your gmail, but do NOT click the "show email" box.

re: #146 USBeast

NOTIFY THE UN!
/

A strongly word letter to the Continental Plates!

re: #149 NY Nana

You talkin' about me?!?!?

Heaven forbid!

not everyone across the pond loves our new prez ...

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

re: #147 JacksonTn

Jackson, I left a message for you on the last thread.

The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese in the trap.

re: #155 Nevergiveup
It is total bullshit. No goddamn criminal case. Find them and exterminate the vermin.

re: #141 mich-again

Great new avatar!

re: #154 rhino2

Gmail is legit...so long as you don't put a fake gmail address in there.

that ain't working ... I tried it with a gmail and then checked show email and it defaults to my account email ... I am giving up on it for tonight ... it is making my head spin ... which does not take much ...

re: #95 Ringo the Gringo

I believe in evolution and I do not reject the Christian faith.

Ditto that here.

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

What's wrong with Huckabee?

re: #158 jcm

A strongly word letter to the Continental Plates!

Do you mean the every day plates or the fine china plates? ;)

re: #4 Sharmuta

Uh, Rick? What if he used evolution? Would you still be "fine" with that?

Yeah, but God actually talks to him every day and tells him that evolution is wrong. You never hear anyone saying God told them evolution is true. I guess that seals it.//

Rick Warren ='s Al Gore in preacher's clothes.
Never trust a man who says he talks to God and God talks back to him. He is either delusional or a liar, your choice.

re: #163 pingjockey

Right. Mark target and fire for effect.

re: #167 Naso Tang
You forgot the sarcasm tag!

re: #138 jcm

SAVE THE WILDLIFE!
STOP PLATE TECTONICS!

Did you know the largest contributor of CO2 is the ocean? You know what that means:

BAN THE OCEAN!

re: #169 Jimmah

Yeah, but God actually talks to him every day and tells him that evolution is wrong. You never hear anyone saying God told them evolution is true. I guess that seals it.//

I've been hesitant to say this, but God talks to me too.

He told me he's punking Rick.

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Jackson -
if you have an e-mail other than the one you used to register,
and you want people to use it,
put it in your profile information, and when people click your avatar, they will see it.
For an example, click my avatar (not my nic, my avatar).

That is why you are ... la Reine ...THANKS! now I am going to make a good gmail address ... I will do it tomorrow ...

How does one add an avatar to replace the little green football that shows up when you post?

God also says to give me chocolate.

re: #159 Nevergiveup

Heaven forbid!

Hmmm, there are some days when...whoops, forgot what I was going to say! ;)

re: #177 Sharmuta

God also says to give me chocolate.

The kind that doesn't have any calories.

re: #173 Sharmuta

Did you know the largest contributor of CO2 is the ocean? You know what that means:

BAN THE OCEAN!

and dihydrogenmonoxide.

re: #177 Sharmuta
Mwahaha! I think that applies to every female on the planet!

Does bho go to church? I have not seen the quintessential photo of him walking out with bible prop in hand.

re: #163 pingjockey

It is total bullshit. No goddamn criminal case. Find them and exterminate the vermin.

Assuming nobody gets killed, they will be fed and taken care of in a US prison for some years, and if/when they are eventually released the loonies will say it is cruel and unusual punishment to send them back to a place like Somalia, so they will be put on welfare in the USA.

Go figure...

re: #176 countrygurl

How does one add an avatar to replace the little green football that shows up when you post?

Log in to "My Account" in the log in area in the upper left. There you'll find a link describing how to upload avatars.

Israeli Jets Scramble After Delta Flight Activates Hijack Alert by Mistake

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I guess that's one way to go?

re: #177 Sharmuta

God also says to give me chocolate.

White or dark? I'm on hold here..

Meanwhile, in the Sinn Fein-Hamas thread, we have people defending the IRA against the accusation that they were "religious extremists."

Bad craziness on the rise.

re: #176 countrygurl

How does one add an avatar to replace the little green football that shows up when you post?

go into your account and upload something ... it has to be ... um I am not sure of size ... but it is not very big ...

re: #186 HoosierHoops

White or dark? I'm on hold here..

White chocolate is only good for coffee.

re: #176 countrygurl

How does one add an avatar to replace the little green football that shows up when you post?

Upper left - go to your account, sign in and there will be instructions.

re: #176 countrygurl

How does one add an avatar to replace the little green football that shows up when you post?

Pick a picture in .jpg format, make it a small one, and upload into your profile.

re: #180 USBeast

and dihydrogenmonoxide.

One of my favorite episodes of Bullshit!

Thanks, Sharmuta (again).

re: #187 Charles

Meanwhile, in the Sinn Fein-Hamas thread, we have people defending the IRA against the accusation that they were "religious extremists."

Bad craziness on the rise.

Pretty sick to defend the IRA. Especially after meeting with hamas. WTF was that person thinking?! The IRA are baby killers.

re: #192 rhino2

One of my favorite episodes of Bullshit!

Water you talkin' about?

re: #193 countrygurl

Thanks, Sharmuta (again).

Don't let anyone tell ya I'm a meanie. ;)

re: #175 JacksonTn

That is why you are ... la Reine ...THANKS! now I am going to make a good gmail address ... I will do it tomorrow ...

Just make sure it's easier to spell than reine.de.tout.
LOL.

re: #182 jelo

Does bho go to church? I have not seen the quintessential photo of him walking out with bible prop in hand.

There was an article about this on Fox News this evening. A spokesperson claimed 0 is going to church in the morning but would say where. I hardly think it matters since I don't believe he has any true religious convictions, other than his own divinity.

re: #164 NY Nana

Well thanks! Gotta switch up the avatar every so often.

re: #192 rhino2

One of my favorite episodes of Bullshit!

The whole garden hose / bottle water bit is an absolute classic.

re: #197 reine.de.tout

Just make sure it's easier to spell than reine.de.tout.
LOL.

That's still way easier than doppelganglander.

re: #174 Sharmuta

. He told me he's punking Rick.

You mean this one?

'scuse me fer askin' (I live in Hawaii and don't watch TV much), but what's the deal with Hugh Hewitt gushing all over Rick Warren? I get about 30 minutes of H2 on the radio on the ride home from work and he seems a reasonably bright fellow--how'd he fall so hard for this boob?

I'm an atheist creationist. I mean, if He can create the entire freakin' universe in 6 days, it's surely no big stretch for Him to do it without actually existing.

/?

re: #195 USBeast

Ah, just assumed you had seen it based on your dihydrogenmonoxide comment.

It's a great episode - here the clip I was referring to.

re: #172 pingjockey

You forgot the sarcasm tag!

I thought I was old enough not to need it. Ditto for the readers who count.

:D

Book: Way to crucifixion began in Armenian Quarter parking lot

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

an Israeli archaeologist now claims that the accepted location of the Antonia Fortress north of the Temple Mount is mistaken

According to Dr. Shimon Gibson of Jerusalem's Albright Institute, the site where Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate and condemned to death is located near the Old City's western wall, next to the so-called Tower of David

However, Professor Meir Ben-Dov, a senior archaeologist who has excavated in Jerusalem's Western Wall Tunnel, calls Gibson's arguments "utter nonsense."

See what happens when you put 2 Jews in the same room?

re: #6 Charles

I think the religious right is starting to position Rick Warren for the 2012 election. He's going to be their crossover stealth candidate.

Oh come on. This is getting ridiculous; everywhere you look, things are intellectually going to pot. Maybe those funny theories about 2012 being the end of the world will come true in some sense or another.
But that means I'll have wasted my time in college! Awww...

re: #194 Sharmuta
What thread is that? Didn't see a terrorist thread?

re: #209 pingjockey

What thread is that? Didn't see a terrorist thread?

There was an IRA thread last night. Gerry Adams *spit* met with hamas. If the Troubles return... I can't even say.

re: #205 rhino2

Ah, just assumed you had seen it based on your dihydrogenmonoxide comment.

It's a great episode - here the clip I was referring to.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's hilarious and really needs a wider audience.

re: #206 Naso Tang
Ah, some of these threads it's hard (for me sometimes) to tell when someone is kidding or not! My bad.

re: #207 Nevergiveup

See what happens when you put 2 Jews in the same room?

Are you sure? I only heard two opinions, not three or five. :)

re: #167 Naso Tang

What's wrong with Huckabee?

Too much to put in one post.

re: #210 Sharmuta
Ah ha. That there is a frackin' mess waiting to happen.

re: #210 Sharmuta

There was an IRA thread last night. Gerry Adams *spit* met with hamas. If the Troubles return... I can't even say.

05:12 Real IRA threaten to take campaign to mainland Britain (Reuters)

"Whaddya mean I don't believe in God? I talk to him every day... And what do you mean I don't pay my bills? Why do you think I'm broke? HUH?"

/peace sells, but who's buying?

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

re: #218 countrygurl

Yes! Congrats.

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

It looks fine. Nice choice, too.

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

Yes, we can see it. Nice.

re: #212 pingjockey

Ah, some of these threads it's hard (for me sometimes) to tell when someone is kidding or not! My bad.

Keeps one awake, but I'm glad you noticed.

re: #218 countrygurl
Well done!

re: #213 BlueCanuck

Are you sure? I only heard two opinions, not three or five. :)

historian Josephus Flavius "attests like a thousand witnesses that the Antonia Fortress was located at the corner of the Temple Mount, not anywhere else

Josephus makes 3?

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

It's a flight of F-15s launching missiles with a semi-transparent Rosie the Riveter in the background, right?
If yes, then I see it.

re: #199 mich-again

Well thanks! Gotta switch up the avatar every so often.

I'm sticking with mine, with Hussein in office...he scares the sh*t out of me.

re: #222 Naso Tang
You are welcome. The thing is, some fools on the right think he's a viable candidate!

I'm relatively sure that RW meant that he "prays" every day and that God's Word (the Bible) is how God speaks to all men. But he's not the first celebrity or activist who phrased something in a misleading way; nor is he the first one to contradict himself.

I'm also relatively certain that the world would be a better place without centralized religious movements. I've spent over 35 years opposing organized religion because the Bible itself is opposed to it.

Of course, the same can be said about organized political parties. Our constitution itself condemns practices that all political parties carry out. We could have drawn our President's names out of a hat (of all registered voters) and had better average leadership than what we've experienced for over 200 years. Especially this last election.

Just say "No!" to demagoguery. (And turn off the TV for crying out loud.) We can make RW and others irrelevant faster by ignoring them.

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

Thumbs UP!

re: #211 USBeast

I agree, required watching in high school maybe?

/one can dream

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

Cute. Was that your grandmother?

re: #210 Sharmuta

There was an IRA thread last night. Gerry Adams *spit* met with hamas. If the Troubles return... I can't even say.

Funny, I remember seeing some articles not too long ago that Sinn Fein was putting down the armalites and joining the democratic discourse. Haven't seen anything about this. Damn selective reporting.

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

Yoou are a quick study!

re: #230 rhino2

I agree, required watching in high school maybe?

/one can dream

My kids have seen it. Education begins at home.

re: #228 Captain Faris

So what did you say to earn all those nasty downs? I don't recall contributing.

Speaking of bad craziness; I happened upon a "tea party" today, right in my own neighborhood. It was a small bunch, barely 25 people, lined up along the intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd in the San Fernando Valley...Of course I made the wife pull over and let me out to take some pictures. It was bad...Half of the signs were about Obama's birth certificate. There were Paulians and conspiracy theorists too, and at least one "truther".

I'll try to get the pictures up as soon a I can.

re: #218 countrygurl

can you seemy new avatar? I am techie-challenged HAHAHA no suprise to the lizared army i am sure THANKS for the help, ya'll

LOVE IT!

Naso Tang -- my mother was an original Rosie the Riverter, for real, in San Diego. She raised two Marines and one rebel girl.

re: #213 BlueCanuck

Ever go into the Sobey's in Thornhill, at Clark & Hilda, where they have the biggest kosher section that I have ever seen? ;)

re: #236 Ringo the Gringo
All the loonies in one place?! Dayum!

re: #238 countrygurl

Naso Tang -- my mother was an original Rosie the Riverter, for real, in San Diego. She raised two Marines and one rebel girl.

She did her duty for God and Country.

re: #240 pingjockey

All the loonies in one place?! Dayum!

Need some close air support, ASAP, in contact!

re: #236 Ringo the Gringo

Speaking of bad craziness; I happened upon a "tea party" today, right in my own neighborhood. It was a small bunch, barely 25 people, lined up along the intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd in the San Fernando Valley...Of course I made the wife pull over and let me out to take some pictures. It was bad...Half of the signs were about Obama's birth certificate. There were Paulians and conspiracy theorists too, and at least one "truther".

I'll try to get the pictures up as soon a I can.

...Crap. This does not bode well for anybody of a conservative--or really any--bent. What is it about 2009 that seems to be making people go crazy?

re: #242 jcm
You know that is just terrible. The idea of the Tea Party is great and of course with free speech we can't exclude the damn lunatic fringe. So of course the whole Tea Party movement will be tarred with the lunatic brush.

re: #236 Ringo the Gringo

Speaking of bad craziness; I happened upon a "tea party" today, right in my own neighborhood. It was a small bunch, barely 25 people, lined up along the intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd in the San Fernando Valley...Of course I made the wife pull over and let me out to take some pictures. It was bad...Half of the signs were about Obama's birth certificate. There were Paulians and conspiracy theorists too, and at least one "truther".

I'll try to get the pictures up as soon a I can.

Please do! Let us know when it's up.

Why they should be called ballistic vests, and not bulletproof vests.
Possible Darwin Award here, I say possible because the subject may have lived.
But I doubt it.

re: #40 spacejesus

I would have no problem with these people if they weren't tacking their crazy shit onto the same platform as small government. They're dragging good ideas through the mud with their bullshit. SpaceJesus is moving to Samoa.

I'll help you pack.

re: #244 pingjockey

You know that is just terrible. The idea of the Tea Party is great and of course with free speech we can't exclude the damn lunatic fringe. So of course the whole Tea Party movement will be tarred with the lunatic brush.

Yep, a good idea run completely off the rails.

re: #245 Sharmuta

Please do! Let us know when it's up.

It'll have to wait until tomorrow night, but I'll post it in the spinoff links as soon as it's up...I'll email it to Charles too.

re: #249 Ringo the Gringo

I look forward to it.

re: #243 davinvalkri

...Crap. This does not bode well for anybody of a conservative--or really any--bent. What is it about 2009 that seems to be making people go crazy?

Imploded economy, sixteen plus years of clueless leadership, a failed education system, mind-bending decadence, a total erosion of basic human values, and the lunatics in charge of the asylum... All at once?

Most people I know are just hunkering down and buying what they need to ensure that they can get out of the way when it all comes crashing down.

Gaugin had it right. I'm going to pack it in, move to the tropics, and phone in my existential questions to the rest of you.

/

re: #58 Ringo the Gringo

I really don't care what Rick Warren believes anymore than I care about the spiritual beliefs of a Navajo or a Hindu. So long as his beliefs are not taught in public school science classrooms, he can believe whatever he wants.

One step further: the First Amendment protects his right to believe whatever he wants and to practice his faith according to his beliefs.

I wouldn't vote for him for any public office, any more that I would vote for Pat Robertson. But his right to believe and worship as he wishes is as Constitutionally "sacred" as mine -- or, if it isn't, then none of ours -- ANY of ours -- is.

By the way: I am more inclined to believe that Rick Warren is part of a Democrat Party strategy to peel off Evangelical/Fundamentalist support that to think he's part of the GOP pandering (more, again) to the Religious Right.

Ethical questions over harvesting dead son's sperm

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Evans had to go to court to get permission to harvest his sperm. On Tuesday, a Travis County probate judge granted her wish - ordering the county Medical Examiner's Office to keep her son's body chilled to at least 39.2 degrees and allow access so an expert could take the specimen.Missy Evans said she is unsure when she'll be ready to seek a surrogate to carry her son's child. But she added that she has no second thoughts about the plan.

OK. Any Volunteers out there?

well i miss the lizard lounge

but i was off line for 3 days because of passover aswell.

Nevergiveup - yes she did. She left Arkansas in 1943 on a bus with $5 in her pocket and a flier advertising for workers in the factory.

re: #139 yochanan

if mother earth kills um off it is all part of evolution isn't it?

Nope. A separate and different natural process.

re: #15 Charles

Google ads are driven by keywords.

The keywords in this case being "Rick Warren."

People who pay for these ads pick the keywords they want to target.

You're seeing the fundamentalist money at work. It's fascinating.

I turned off ad blocker for kicks and got all anti evo ads ... interesting.

re: #253 Nevergiveup

Ethical questions over harvesting dead son's sperm

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Evans had to go to court to get permission to harvest his sperm. On Tuesday, a Travis County probate judge granted her wish - ordering the county Medical Examiner's Office to keep her son's body chilled to at least 39.2 degrees and allow access so an expert could take the specimen.Missy Evans said she is unsure when she'll be ready to seek a surrogate to carry her son's child. But she added that she has no second thoughts about the plan.

OK. Any Volunteers out there?

I think the whole idea is just disgusting.

re: #194 Sharmuta

Pretty sick to defend the IRA. Especially after meeting with hamas. WTF was that person thinking?! The IRA are baby killers.

That 'Kiernan' comment was the one that pissed me off. Deliberately targeting and blowing up innocent civilians makes you a terrorist scumbag no matter how legitimate the original grievance. They may not be obsessed with theology but the IRA are clearly nationalist extremists for whom religion is a means of identifying their enemies.

re: #258 doppelganglander

I think the whole idea is just disgusting.

Kinda up Madonna's alley don't ya think?

re: #255 countrygurl
That took guts. Sounds like my mom and grandparents. Moved from Izard Co. Arkansas in 1940 to work up here in Wa. state in the apple orchards.

re: #246 rawmuse

Why they should be called ballistic vests, and not bulletproof vests.
Possible Darwin Award here, I say possible because the subject may have lived.
But I doubt it.

I can't believe that idiot did that. I cannot believe that idiot did that. Did I mention that I can't believe that idiot did that?

re: #260 Nevergiveup

Kinda up Madonna's alley don't ya think?

Octomom's probably got an opening.