About That DHS Report on Right-Wing Extremism

Here we go again.

The latest cause for hyperventilation in the right-wing blogosphere is a report from the Department of Homeland Security on the need for vigilance against extreme right-wing groups like Posse Comitatus, militias, “Patriot” groups, and neo-Nazis like the Christian Identity weirdos. Some bloggers, prompted by World Net Daily, are reading this as an attempt to “smear half of the country or more as kooks for criticizing the government’s handling of the economy.”

That’s ludicrous. First, this DHS assessment was begun more than a year ago, before Barack Obama was even nominated. It has absolutely nothing to do with “tea parties,” and it was not done at the behest of the Obama administration.

Second, I’m seeing it brought up repeatedly that the report contains a reference to veterans, mentioning that some of these groups are seeking to recruit them. This is nothing more than a fact, and the report even says that only a tiny number of veterans would join such groups — but that their talents could bring a great deal of capability to the extremists. Has everyone simply forgotten that Timothy McVeigh was a veteran?

The DHS report is not intended to target anyone but the most extreme elements of the far right, and it’s depressing to see so many bloggers jumping to totally unwarranted conclusions.

AJ Strata has a good take on this: The Threat Of Far Right Extremism - Updated!

UPDATE at 4/14/09 1:10:03 pm:

Here’s a link to download the PDF file, from Wikileaks. Read it for yourself, instead of trusting the distorted claims being made.

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1411 comments

1 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:42:00am

As my personal effort to "go green", I PLEDGE to hyperventilate less to reduce my carbon type-print.

Really.

2 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:42:21am

I am an extremist Honco!

3 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:42:21am
4 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:42:31am

Life was simpler with a Republican in the White House. This nuance thing is gonna take some getting used to?

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:42:44am

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

6 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:43:13am

Let's hope the administration is capable of distinguishing between potentially violent groups and sane dissenters.

7 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:43:15am

That might explain the creation date of 1/23/2007.

8 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:43:34am

Leave it up to the MFM and far right fuck nuts to screw up the GOP. Well done guys.

9 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Shhhh. Obama's spies are everywhere.

/

10 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:44:26am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

CHEM-TRAILS!

11 oronpam  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:44:31am

As Charlie Brown would say....."Good Grief"

12 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:44:48am

Now every low level Dept of Homeland Security operative is going to have to undergo a proctoscopic exam prior to sending out a memo to local law enforcement that the local nut job group is recruiting.

13 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #10 MandyManners

CHEM-TRAILS!

New World Order!

14 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:02am
15 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:03am

This guy was a vet, even a decorated one, who confessed to being inspired by Alex Jones to do his little mischief. He had mayhem on his mind and by happy accident, did not accomplish it.

This incident predates the present administration.

16 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:11am

re: #7 Gus 802

When I read the report last night, it seemed like too perfect a 'troll' for excitable conservatives. Has anyone established how this document went public?

17 bosforus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:29am

My feelings as well. If the report is naming people like timothy mcviegh then, unless you feel like you're in the mcveigh crowd, I wonder why one would think it's referring to them.

18 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:33am

The report justifiably warns against neo-Nazi groups, and I'm glad for that.
We should, however, monitor how the government is doing. That doesn't mean being paranoid and waving guns! It means finding out exactly who they're going after and how they're behaving.
There are certainly enough wackos to keep DHS busy for years without having to go after normal people, so if they do go after non-wackos, then there might be something to worry about.
Watch, but don't worry yet.

19 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:45:50am

I'd not seen or heard of that site. It's now bookmarked.
I liked this quote:


First, lets look at some of the ‘offending’ passages. The title itself seems to set the stage for martyrs on the right.

Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment

This is one reason I don’t like the terms ‘rightwinger’ and ‘leftwinger’, though I have occasionally used them.

20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Obama is switching to black UAVs as a cost-cutting measure.
/

21 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:46:43am

re: #16 jaunte

When I read the report last night, it seemed like too perfect a 'troll' for excitable conservatives. Has anyone established how this document went public?

Don't know. I've seen that others are claiming to have verified it. Haven't seen any official explanation for it.

22 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't know Obama had Spies; I have, however, met his Whine Saps.

Wait a sec, someone is pounding on the door. I'll just go see who it is.

/

23 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:46:54am

I still cannot download this thing to read!

24 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:46:58am

re: #20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Obama is switching to black UAVs as a cost-cutting measure.
/

Racist!

25 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:47:49am

re: #23 Dianna

I still cannot download this thing to read!

I'll cut and paste the important part

KEEP AN EYE ON DIANNA

26 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:47:57am

re: #21 Gus 802

It's a cliché, but: "I question the timing!"

27 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #12 DaddyG

Now every low level Dept of Homeland Security operative is going to have to undergo a proctoscopic exam prior to sending out a memo to local law enforcement that the local nut job group is recruiting.

The Atlanta Tea Party is more interesting than I thought. Hannity is broadcasting both his radio and TV shows from the Capitol. So it actually runs from 7 to 10. And to top it all off, there's a Braves game. Staying in Marietta is looking like a good decision.

28 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:48:48am

re: #16 jaunte

Michelle Malkin said it was de-classified.

I saw another site that listed it as beginning with a radio show host.

29 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:49:22am

re: #13 Gus 802

New World Order!

I wonder if someone will burn a giant owl.

30 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #27 doppelganglander

The Atlanta Tea Party is more interesting than I thought. Hannity is broadcasting both his radio and TV shows from the Capitol. So it actually runs from 7 to 10. And to top it all off, there's a Braves game. Staying in Marietta is looking like a good decision.

Newt Gingrich and Neal Boortz are also involved

31 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #30 sattv4u2

Newt Gingrich and Neal Boortz are also involved

HEAVILY

32 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:49:42am

The American Legion did take exception to the Report.

[Link: thisainthell.us...]

For what that is worth.

33 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Hey there downdinger Johnny NeverHearOfYouBefore (~BfromTX), care to join the conversation?

34 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #26 jaunte

It's a cliché, but: "I question the timing!"

I do to. A report like that would have taken some time even if it is only 9 pages long. The timing of course being for tomorrow's events.

35 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:50:13am

re: #23 Dianna

I still cannot download this thing to read!

Are you trying my No. 3?

36 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:50:52am

re: #17 bosforus

My feelings as well. If the report is naming people like timothy mcviegh then, unless you feel like you're in the mcveigh crowd, I wonder why one would think it's referring to them.

No one has yet cited a named group doing any recruiting. I haven't read the bloody thing - it won't download for me, grrrr - but surely, it's odd not to mention some specific group(s)? I'm confused as to what they intended with this report. What is a reader to take from it?

37 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #29 MandyManners

I wonder if someone will burn a giant owl.

They might. Or perhaps a giant effigy of Darwin. //

38 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:50:58am

I hear some helicopters outside my window. I better log off.
/

39 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:06am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Hasn't the Black Helicopter Program been canceled in the defense cut backs?
/

40 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:12am

re: #32 Nevergiveup

The American Legion did take exception to the Report.

[Link: thisainthell.us...]

For what that is worth.

It was worth a lot to me. Thanks for the link!

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:28am

The site that apparently started this whole idiotic mess is a big supporter of Ron Paul.

Of course.

42 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:37am

Keep in mind that many troofers and Alex Jones followers (not to mention Stormfront crazies) consider themselves to be the "true conservatives".

I'm not saying it's true, but that's the way they see it.

43 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:39am

re: #37 Gus 802

They might. Or perhaps a giant effigy of Darwin. //

He was a member of the Bohemian Grove?

44 LionofDixon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:43am

Our government can stereotype its citizens but not foreigners? Racial profiling of Muslim terrorists is bad, but profiling U.S. veterans is good?

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

45 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:47am

re: #27 doppelganglander

The Atlanta Tea Party is more interesting than I thought. Hannity is broadcasting both his radio and TV shows from the Capitol. So it actually runs from 7 to 10. And to top it all off, there's a Braves game. Staying in Marietta is looking like a good decision.

Yeah- Perhaps I will get outta dodge while the getting is good tomorrow.

On the other hand I can show you which office he's broadcasting from. We can hold signs up so people can see them on the radio. //

46 Dainn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:51:49am

I have had a few people tell me that they expected to see an assasination attempt on Barrack during his first term. These aren't radicals, just people who feel the tension and perhaps remember older days when assisnation wasn't farfetched. So this is not news. People know that there are extremists out there that see a black president as a call to arms. Frankly, I want our government on top of that kind of threat.

That said, huffpo is spinning this to apply to the tea parties (shocker), so this does fit into that narrative. The timing is unfortunate, but the fact that there is a warning should not cause any surprise. It would surprise me more if they weren't watching the extreme right wing.

47 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #35 MandyManners

Are you trying my No. 3?

It froze me.

I'm getting very, very tired of this!

48 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #41 Charles

The site that apparently started this whole idiotic mess is a big supporter of Ron Paul.

Of course.

I wonder if you're gonna' get hate mail for this thread.

49 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:52:28am

re: #28 Dianna

One criticism she had of the report (one of the first reasons I thought it was fake) was its very generic, broad nature, compared to the specificity of reports in the past.

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #44 LionofDixon

Our government can stereotype its citizens but not foreigners? Racial profiling of Muslim terrorists is bad, but profiling U.S. veterans is good?

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

For Pete's sake. Nobody is profiling veterans.

51 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #43 MandyManners

He was a member of the Bohemian Grove?

Oh, no. I suppose a troofer could find a tie there somewhere.

52 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:53:14am

re: #42 Ringo the Gringo

Keep in mind that many troofers and Alex Jones followers (not to mention Stormfront crazies) consider themselves to be the "true conservatives".

I'm not saying it's true, but that's the way they see it.

Ha! Everyone knows that Megan McCain is the only true Conservative.

53 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #47 Dianna

It froze me.

I'm getting very, very tired of this!

Have you tried a right click on the link and either doing a "save as" or "download as"?

54 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:53:46am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

I could make a phone call and get the black helicopters painted white. Or green. Just let me know.

55 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #51 Gus 802

Oh, no. I suppose a troofer could find a tie there somewhere.

It's in room No. 439 at the Bilderberg Hotel.

56 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:54:29am

re: #50 Charles

For Pete's sake. Nobody is profiling veterans.

Stereotyping maybe, but that's what the left does, isn't it?

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:54:33am

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

58 c6gunner  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:03am

Well said, Charles. I think the best thing about the last 8 years, for me, was seeing Republicans all acting more or less rational for a change, while the Democrats made asses of themselves. Now that a democrat is in office again, you can expect the roles to reverse. I still remember some of the nutty conspiracy theories being bandied about during Clinton's time in office, and I suspect that it will get even worse under Obama.

59 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #29 MandyManners

I wonder if someone will burn a giant owl.

Spotted Owl


Or is it a pin-striped chicken?


[Link: www.allfunnypictures.com...]

60 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:07am

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

I thought they are more into "Beer Halls"?

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #15 rawmuse

This guy was a vet, even a decorated one, who confessed to being inspired by Alex Jones to do his little mischief. He had mayhem on his mind and by happy accident, did not accomplish it.

This incident predates the present administration.

I recall that incident. Jones declared that it was a "false flag" operation by a government agent sent to discredit him and his troof. Really.

62 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:21am

re: #53 Gus 802

Have you tried a right click on the link and either doing a "save as" or "download as"?

Yes.

And it still freezes me!

I'm so annoyed!

63 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:22am

re: #55 MandyManners

It's in room No. 439 at the Bilderberg Hotel.

Right next to the offices of AIPAC!

64 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:31am

Some on the extreme right are dangerous and should be watched. The KKK still exists in this country as do other wacko groups. But, I am in way more fear of crazy jihadis doing something stupid here than the racists and ultra-nationalist losers. Anything is possible in this day and age, but the biggest threat to our society is not a handful of rightwing nutjobs.

DHS Report

Some extremists might do this, they might do that, this may happen, or maybe that.......This a vague document and I question why it was released today? There is a political motive behind that. I am not buying into the lunacy from places like the WND and their ilk, but this is, IMHO, an attempt to further hurt the right by the Obama administration. If this report said watch out for Leftwing terrorists, it never would have seen the light of day.

This is a smear job, hyped my the MSM who got it spoonfed from the Obama administration

65 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #42 Ringo the Gringo

Keep in mind that many troofers and Alex Jones followers (not to mention Stormfront crazies) consider themselves to be the "true conservatives".

I'm not saying it's true, but that's the way they see it.

The problem is the inverse of those of us (self included) who insert phrases into sentences like "I have a good friend who is a liberal" ...
Opposing viewpoints image:
Liberal == Code Pink == loon.
Conservative == RonPaulian == loon.

The truth is somewhere between those two.

66 jamgarr  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:47am

From the Forest and Trees Department:

Undeniable and Unchangeable Truths of the Interweb
1) Someone (usually many someones) will call your study/blog/post/law/movie/book/(fill-in-the-blank) the product of a deranged and extremist mind.
2) It doesn't matter.

67 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:55:57am

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

68 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:11am

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

Yes, they are.

So it's rather important not to let them take over. Or we're surrendering the streets to battles between the brown shirts and the communists.

69 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:12am

re: #50 Charles

For Pete's sake. Nobody is profiling veterans.

There's a reason for that. I'm round, now. Defensive camoflage ...

70 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:17am

re: #62 Dianna

Yes.

And it still freezes me!

I'm so annoyed!

Odd. Does this happen with other PDFs?

71 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #58 c6gunner

Well said, Charles. I think the best thing about the last 8 years, for me, was seeing Republicans all acting more or less rational for a change, while the Democrats made asses of themselves. Now that a democrat is in office again, you can expect the roles to reverse. I still remember some of the nutty conspiracy theories being bandied about during Clinton's time in office, and I suspect that it will get even worse under Obama.

Yeah but the conspiracy theories during the Clinton years were coming out of the White House. Remember the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?

72 jbolty  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:25am

There is certainly plenty of overration to go around. But, on the other hand there are plenty that think everyone to the right of Al Franken is a right wing extremist.

As with most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

73 bosforus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #36 Dianna

I haven't sat down and read it either, I've just heard what's been said about it. By Rush. And as he gave his take on it I decided it wasn't that big of a deal.

74 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:56:56am

The real problem is that to the liberals currently in charge there are no shades of gray in regards to conservatives/Republicans. They use any one of a number of different names to lump all people who are not card carrying members of the Democratic Underground or members of Daily Kos as far right wing radicals. In their eyes if you support gun rights you can be a conservative, a Republican, a far right wing radical, a member of the wing nuts and they do not draw a distinction.
It is important to realize who the target audience for any such report is. It is not the people being watched, but rather those doing the watching.
If you listen to the rhetoric that comes from some of the elected Dems in DC you would realize that they would agree with the points made in the report and would consider anybody who didn't vote for Obama to be a candidate for the findings found therein.
I don't blame the right leaning political bloggers for getting upset over the report, since everyday conservatives can see themselves described just that way in newspaper articles and in in tv news reports. It does not take a stretch of the imagination to believe you fall into the findings.

75 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

How to spot them.

76 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:57:09am

re: #31 sattv4u2

HEAVILY


If Boortz is there, expect a LOT of Fair Tax supporters. Between him, Newt, and Hannity, I would assume there's plenty of security, which definitely reduces the risk of ACORN infiltrators facing off with Nirthers. And it's going to be LARGE, from the sounds of it. Let's hope it's an example of what a Tea Party should be. I'll be watching on television.

77 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

It sure looks that way. And this really sucks.

Lately it seems like every time I find someone or some group interesting and sane, some wierdness pops out from behind a tree craps all over it.

78 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:57:28am

The report states, without any statistical evidence, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

now read it again.

Possible passage..............

..........just getting the lemmings ready is what it is.

79 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:57:30am

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

It is not paranoia if everyone really IS out to get you!
/

80 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:00am

I was just curious to see what HuffPo's comments were like on the Demjanjuk deportation story that is breaking.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I did expect a lot of crap in the comments, but I was taken aback just a tad on how huge the ratio is of revisionists posting there.

It's almost like reading Stormfront, and that isn't an exaggeration. Why is HuffPo given the time of day when they have a following such as this? Shouldn't somebody catalog these and send them to people in the media? Then again, perhaps the Media agrees and just doesn't care.

81 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:05am

re: #62 Dianna

Yes.

And it still freezes me!

I'm so annoyed!

Try a right click and "Save Link as" (Firefox)

82 Erik The Red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:09am

Goodnight Lizards. See you on the LNDT.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #63 Gus 802

Right next to the offices of AIPAC!

Gee. I thought that one was on Jekyll Island.

84 c6gunner  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:57am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

Yeah but the conspiracy theories during the Clinton years were coming out of the White House. Remember the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?

Yeah, so Hillary Clinton was also a nut. Tell me something I don't know. That doesn't mean there weren't plenty of lunatics on the right pushing all sorts of insane theories. And now they're at it again - first the Nirthers and now this fiasco. It's only the tip of the iceberg.

85 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #69 jwb7605

There's a reason for that. I'm round, now. Defensive camoflage ...

I can change into a 2006 Honda Accord when needed...:)

86 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:13am

re: #79 Truck Monkey

It is not paranoia if everyone really IS out to get you!
/

Off to reeducation happy fun unicorn stimuluscamp for you!

87 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:31am

And we thought we were through with the Ron Paul kooks.

88 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:39am

Mwahaha!
All your tea parties are belong us.

89 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:44am

ALERT ALERT ALERT

THIS THREAD WAS NOT POSTED BY CHARLES, BUT RATHER BY A CHARLES LOOKALIKE WHO WAS PLACED HERE BY DHS AFTER CHARLES' ARREST THIS MORNING BY JACKBOOTED OBAMA YOUTH BRIGADE THUGS!

DO NOT BE FOOLED!


/keep watching the skies

90 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #87 Racer X

And we thought we were through with the Ron Paul kooks.

RON PAUL!
/

91 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:59:59am

re: #68 Dianna

So it's rather important not to let them take over. Or we're surrendering the streets to battles between the brown shirts and the communists.

Wasn't that Charley Manson's plan?

92 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #45 DaddyG

Yeah- Perhaps I will get outta dodge while the getting is good tomorrow.

On the other hand I can show you which office he's broadcasting from. We can hold signs up so people can see them on the radio. //

LOL! If I were already downtown, I'd probably go. But even if I take advantage of the bus, it's going to be a hassle.

93 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:15pm

re: #67 opnion

that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

My thoughts... Barry Lynn needs to be made aware that he does not dictate Catholic Doctrine to the Vatican.

94 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:18pm

re: #74 Just_A_Grunt

The real problem is that to the liberals currently in charge there are no shades of gray in regards to conservatives/Republicans. They use any one of a number of different names to lump all people who are not card carrying members of the Democratic Underground or members of Daily Kos as far right wing radicals. In their eyes if you support gun rights you can be a conservative, a Republican, a far right wing radical, a member of the wing nuts and they do not draw a distinction.
It is important to realize who the target audience for any such report is. It is not the people being watched, but rather those doing the watching.
If you listen to the rhetoric that comes from some of the elected Dems in DC you would realize that they would agree with the points made in the report and would consider anybody who didn't vote for Obama to be a candidate for the findings found therein.
I don't blame the right leaning political bloggers for getting upset over the report, since everyday conservatives can see themselves described just that way in newspaper articles and in in tv news reports. It does not take a stretch of the imagination to believe you fall into the findings.

Lumping together non-liberal Jews and neo-Nazis. I'd find that funny, but the Neturei Kara (sp?) has allied themselves with Ahmadinejad.

95 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:31pm

If you feel like going to a Tea Party, by all means go....but be wary. Keep your eyes open. And, if need be, run the nutters out, or at least separate yourselves from the fringe kooks who will very likely show up too.

96 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:38pm

re: #67 opnion

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

The Notre Dame issue is not one of separation of church and state. It's a private school.

97 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:51pm

re: #64 Desert Dog

Just more of the MSM letting the 0bama administration do their job for them. Wonder how long it will take for the scumbags who called Bush and Cheney fascists to do the same with 0bama, only 0bama actually has a record to go with it.

98 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #84 c6gunner

Yeah, so Hillary Clinton was also a nut. Tell me something I don't know. That doesn't mean there weren't plenty of lunatics on the right pushing all sorts of insane theories. And now they're at it again - first the Nirthers and now this fiasco. It's only the tip of the iceberg.

Ya mean like never go for a walk with Hilliary in a Federal Park?
/
Hey there are nuts on both side.

99 bosforus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

I don't think it's just neo-Nazi's either. I'm sure this point has been brought up but on G. Beck's show yesterday morning they were talking about various sites like HuffPo, MediaMatters discussing showing up at the tea parties and acting like "the typical loony conservative" to undermine the effort.

100 redshirt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:12pm

Has DHS produced a similar document regarding muslims being recruited for terrorism in the US?
If not, why not?

101 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:15pm

There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't.

102 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #67 opnion

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

The Vatican does not condone abortion. The Kennedys all support abortion.

The Vatican is within its rights. That one's a no-brainer, even for a non-Catholic like me.

I'll leave the Notre Dame issue alone.

103 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #85 Dustyvet

I can change into a 2006 Honda Accord when needed...:)

HA!. I can't get into one. My daughter is selling her 2002 Saturn, and wanted to give me first shot (family discount).

I told her it was a great buy, but I physically don't fit the thing. In order to exit the vehicle, I usually had to reach up and grab the curb ...

104 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #60 Nevergiveup

I thought they are more into "Beer Halls"?

If DHS is paying people to monitor the activity in beer halls pls let me know where to send a resume...

105 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:03pm

re: #101 DaddyG

There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't.

spoken like a trye gov't employee!

106 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:16pm

re: #91 IslandLibertarian


So it's rather important not to let them take over. Or we're surrendering the streets to battles between the brown shirts and the communists.

Wasn't that Charley Manson's plan?

No. As I recall, he wanted to institute race war, keep his head down while it was happening, and then rule whatever was left.

107 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:18pm

re: #100 redshirt

Has DHS produced a similar document regarding muslims being recruited for terrorism in the US?
If not, why not?

CAIR would have yet another hissy fit.

108 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:21pm

re: #99 bosforus

I don't think it's just neo-Nazi's either. I'm sure this point has been brought up but on G. Beck's show yesterday morning they were talking about various sites like HuffPo, MediaMatters discussing showing up at the tea parties and acting like "the typical loony conservative" to undermine the effort.

Neo-Mobys?

109 ryannon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:24pm

On the subject of the DHS document, one poster in the 'Bar & Grill' sub-forum of an eminently respectable Canadian precious metals and financial website (Kitco) posted that McVeigh was part of a government false-flag operation.

These people are just plumb crazy.

110 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:24pm

re: #67 opnion

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

Well Caroline Kennedy is 0 for 2. One more and she is outta there!

111 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:34pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

spoken like a trye TRUE gov't employee!


PIMF

112 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:02:40pm

"We really are getting into black helicopter territory here." I do not agree and I think that statement helps about as much as "it's the jooos"

I believe there are some real concerns when the DHS put something like this out there, why?, this is why..."This gets repeated over and over again during the report. They have no threat information. In fact, the report can’t even say definitively whether “extremists” are gaining “new recruits”. In order to find that, they’d have to identify the actual groups, note the recruiting patterns, and determine whether in fact they’re gaining recruits or losing members. Bottom line: DHS has no actual data. They’re pulling threats out of their collective arse and publishing them without any supporting research whatsoever." ~HA

Also, is this nice piece of information from the DHS report. "The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when right wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers." WTH? outsourcing of jobs? missed that re-write of history when the left had their panties in a wad about outsourcing? What?, now they are fine with it?

Mr. Johnson, your loathing of the X-files is showing // ~B

113 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #81 CyanSnowHawk

Try a right click and "Save Link as" (Firefox)

Doesn't work.

I'm really not a happy woman. I hate commenting on things I haven't read.

114 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

spoken like a trye gov't employee!

Office hours are closed. Please return between the hours of 9 and 2 to receive your snarky reply.

115 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Odd. Does this happen with other PDFs?

Never. That's why I'm annoyed.

116 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:03:55pm

re: #112 ~BfromTX

*rolls eyes*

117 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:07pm

re: #114 DaddyG

Office hours are closed. Please return between the hours of 9 and 2 to receive your snarky reply.

I thought you guys worked 12-1 with an hour for lunch!

118 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #67 opnion

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

why can't the Vatican decide who they want there and who they don't? ... just asking ...

119 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:30pm

re: #67 opnion

A slight digression, Barry Lynn of some seperation of Church & state 'Christian Group" was just on FNC. He is saying that Catholic Bishops & Notre Dame alum shoud just stay out of the Obama Commencement contoversy & that the Vatican had no right to reject Caroline Kennedy as our Ambassador. Any thoughts?

Maybe they should just have terrorists, Islamists, and everyone else who disagrees with their belief system join in the fun. The Pope and the Church have actually stood behind their convictions, and liberals can't comprehend such dedication.

120 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #99 bosforus

I don't think it's just neo-Nazi's either. I'm sure this point has been brought up but on G. Beck's show yesterday morning they were talking about various sites like HuffPo, MediaMatters discussing showing up at the tea parties and acting like "the typical loony conservative" to undermine the effort.

Not likely to happen.

121 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:37pm

re: #93 AmeriDan

My thoughts... Barry Lynn needs to be made aware that he does not dictate Catholic Doctrine to the Vatican.

I would concur with that. Notre Dame is honoring Obama, not debating abortion. Domers that I know are not real pleased. Here in Illinois, many are aware on his vote in the IL State Senate on the Infant protection Act.
Obama was the only Senator that did not want to mandate medical coverage for the survivor of a botched abortion.

122 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:04:37pm

re: #109 ryannon

On the subject of the DHS document, one poster in the 'Bar & Grill' sub-forum of an eminently respectable Canadian precious metals and financial website (Kitco) posted that McVeigh was part of a government false-flag operation.

These people are just plumb crazy.

I'm still waiting for them to say the Maersk Alabama incident was a false-flag operation.

123 RaiderDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:00pm

Couple points in defense of exposing the report.

Apparently, the Southern Poverty Law Center (which hypes reports of "hate crimes" to fund their organization from white-guilt liberal types) had a hand in this report.

Secondly. Can you imagine the MSM reaction if the Bush administration published a report on "left-wing extremists?"

Yes, it sounds like a "false flag" operation to me too, but eternal vigilance....

124 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #115 Dianna

Never. That's why I'm annoyed.

Try this link.

125 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:07pm

re: #92 doppelganglander

LOL! If I were already downtown, I'd probably go. But even if I take advantage of the bus, it's going to be a hassle.

if you were Downtown, you could listen to the rythym of the traffic in the city, linger on the sidewalks where the neon lights are pretty..how can you lose?..it's all Downtown....things'll be great if you were Downtown...

126 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #106 Dianna

Brown shirts vs commies..........race war............you say tomato.........

127 Christopher Luebcke  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:16pm

re: #64 Desert Dog

You see, it's treating a hypothesis as fact that gets us in to most of these messes in the first place. For example, the notion that the timing of the release of this report was carefully calculated as a counterstrike at the Tea Party protests is a hypothesis. It can explain the evidence. It is, however, fairly extraordinary, and therefore requires fairly extraordinary evidence before it can accepted as fact.

Choosing to state such a hypothesis as a fact simply because you find it likely, or appealing to your view of the parties involved, is an error. It is exactly the same error committed by 9/11 troofers, and by conspiracy theorists around the world, throughout time.

Occam's Razor wisely suggests that the simplest explanation that fits the facts is the most likely to be true. Everybody take a quick shave.

128 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #95 Ringo the Gringo

If you feel like going to a Tea Party, by all means go....but be wary. Keep your eyes open. And, if need be, run the nutters out, or at least separate yourselves from the fringe kooks who will very likely show up too.

Its getting to the point where you need to carry a disclaimer sign:

Nirthers, Troofers, and Paulians are KOOKS!

Congress - STOP Spending Money You Do Not Have!

129 redshirt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:25pm

Charles, would you agree with the me that it appears that the government seems to regard veterans in the US as being a higher potential threat than muslims in America?
Have they ever said this about muslims? Or is it time for Obama to state clearly that the US will never be at war with veterans?

130 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:05:48pm

re: #122 Gus 802

I'm still waiting for them to say the Maersk Alabama incident was a false-flag operation.

You didn't hear? All the Jewish crewmen on the Maersk Alabama got a phone call warning them to stay home that morning!

/

131 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:05pm

re: #112 ~BfromTX

Huh?

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:11pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

Yeah but the conspiracy theories during the Clinton years were coming out of the White House. Remember the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?

Nah, there were plenty of black helicopter and FEMA death camp conspiracies (and others) making the rounds with the CDS sufferers.

133 Iron Mike  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:12pm

I'm as good a conservative as you're likely to find, but some of my right-wing "brothers" are truly off the reservation. I can't even watch Glen Beck anymore--he seems to be the leading cheerleader for the apocalypse. His audience must be terrified of everything by now.

134 Deseeded  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:17pm

I guess I'm a little disappointed that a footnote mentions that not only are "right wing extremists" racists and violent dissenters, but also those who favor a strong state and local government over a huge federal government.

Talk about painting with a broad brush. I qualify as a right wing extremist, apparently. I hope they don't mind my "socially progressive" agenda...

135 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

You didn't hear? All the Jewish crewmen on the Maersk Alabama got a phone call warning them to stay home that morning!

/

Were they seen "dancing" when the event took place?

//

136 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:36pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

I thought you guys worked 12-1 with an hour for lunch!

I get more like 7 to 6 with occasional LGF breaks. But you would think we could staff services during hours when people actually need the services. We're working on it! (Can't speak for the feds and local bureaucrats however).

137 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:36pm

re: #96 MandyManners

The Notre Dame issue is not one of separation of church and state. It's a private school.

Mandy, you have summed it up nicely. They can host him or not.
They chose to host him, but there is fall out.

138 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:36pm

re: #115 Dianna

try re-saving the PDF ?

139 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #125 Spider Mensch

if you were Downtown, you could listen to the rythym of the traffic in the city, linger on the sidewalks where the neon lights are pretty..how can you lose?..it's all Downtown....things'll be great if you were Downtown...

140 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:47pm

I said it in a post on an earlier thread-- this is nothing new and nothing to be alarmed over; there has always been an uptick in radical activity--of all stripes--during periods of change and or unrest. Look at the number of radical movements in this country in the 1930s. This is common sense--look at all potential sources of trouble and not a select few.

Course, I'm still hoarding ammo and canned food for the coming troubles.///

141 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:06:53pm

re: #100 redshirt

Has DHS produced a similar document regarding muslims being recruited for terrorism in the US?
If not, why not?

I would surmise such reports are classified, unlike this.

142 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:00pm

re: #129 redshirt

Charles, would you agree with the me that it appears that the government seems to regard veterans in the US as being a higher potential threat than muslims in America?
Have they ever said this about muslims? Or is it time for Obama to state clearly that the US will never be at war with veterans?


No matter how many times he practiced it, or even lip synched it 0bama could not say that with a straight face.

143 seagreenroom  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:01pm

It wouldn't bother me quite so much if there were also "reports" on left-wing extremists.

Let's be fair and balanced, shall we?

144 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:08pm

re: #115 Dianna

Never. That's why I'm annoyed.

If it is hanging while trying to download, I would suspect a virus, as some of those interfere with certain downloads from certain sites.
If opening the document fails, try getting a new copy of Adobe Reader, and remove the old one; install the new one clean.

145 Kenjen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:09pm

The MSM will focus on the crazies at the tea parties. They will only interview repub. conspiricy theorists about the DHS report. They will do everything possible to make it look like all Repubs. believe this stuff. Then they will show calm, cool and collected Dems pointing to the fact that this investigation came about before the election.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #122 Gus 802

I'm still waiting for them to say the Maersk Alabama incident was a false-flag operation.

It was a confederation of false flags, with the Joos behind it, don't you know. /

147 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:11pm

Assuming the report had never leaked, what possible good does it do for the DoHS to produce such a broad, non-specific report? What use would it serve internally to restate such obvious points, of which any security service worth its salt would already be well aware?

148 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

You didn't hear? All the Jewish crewmen on the Maersk Alabama got a phone call warning them to stay home that morning!

/


They all got a three day passover.

149 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:38pm

re: #121 opnion

I would concur with that. Notre Dame is honoring Obama, not debating abortion. Domers that I know are not real pleased. Here in Illinois, many are aware on his vote in the IL State Senate on the Infant protection Act.
Obama was the only Senator that did not want to mandate medical coverage for the survivor of a botched abortion.

You mean a "botched" abortion results in a human being? I thought that they were just another clump of cells (like cancer) that could be extracted and dispatched with due haste. This might lead me to re-think my position vis-a-vis abortion. The cognative dissonance thing is starting to bother me a little.

150 NelsFree  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:07:41pm

The timing of the release of the DHS report AND Obama's speech today on the progress of the economic recovery should be considered. Coincidence? Discuss.

151 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:11pm

More and more conservative sites I once frequented as bastions of sanity are falling to this sort of hysteria.

Particularly telling, is their omission of the telling fact that this assessment was started a year ago, before Obama had even won the primary. Can't let the facts stand in the way of hysteria these days, it seems.

152 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:18pm

re: #137 opnion

Mandy, you have summed it up nicely. They can host him or not.
They chose to host him, but there is fall out.

I wonder how big a hit donations will take.

153 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:19pm

re: #146 lawhawk

It was a confederation of false flags, with the Joos behind it, don't you know. /

Somalia is after all a "short walk" from Ethiopia. //

154 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:42pm

Medved on this topic right now, FYI.

155 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #146 lawhawk

It was a confederation of false flags, with the Joos behind it, don't you know. /

/Just one little minute....you said that you would never tell!

156 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:08:46pm

re: #151 Yashmak

Well if that thing took them a year, they're overpaid.

157 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:03pm

re: #143 seagreenroom

It wouldn't bother me quite so much if there were also "reports" on left-wing extremists.

Let's be fair and balanced, shall we?


During the decline into socialism, surely you jest. The media wouldn't know fair and balanced if it bit them on the nose.

158 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #131 MandyManners

wet powder...sorry... :-(

159 jdog29  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:21pm

I truly believe that the huge majority of people meeting up tomorrow at the Tea Parties will be just average lower middle class joes sick and tired of all the tax increases and impending tax increases due to the bailouts and budget recently passed.

Gov't excess and waste only goes so far until the wrong camel's back gets broken.

The Neo-Nazis, troofers, nirthers, paulian and other nuts will still be able to attend their own regularly scheduled meetings. Each group claims a membership of 20, but all the member are registered in at least two of the other groups as well.

160 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:43pm

With all due respect, Michelle Malkin has a much better dissection of this report and she is not an alarmist or nutjob, so I'll go ahead and stick with her assessment, especially since she actually spoke to DHS about it. She found no specific groups named, and it appears to be a preemption to the tea parties tomorrow, as was PBO's 'everything is getting better but it won't actually get better right now' doublespeak teleprompter show today.

161 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:53pm

re: #158 ~BfromTX

wet powder...sorry... :-(

Could you dry it out and make your point more concisely?

162 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:56pm

I don't get it

aren't there violent leftwing kooks out there ?

163 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #156 jaunte

Well if that thing took them a year, they're overpaid.

Well, that's self-evident. It's largely a redundant bureau in the first place.

164 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:18pm

The U.S. Government is simply not smart enough to pull of any type of major conspiracy. Period.

165 Hawaii69  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:30pm

So much for those irrational, emotional, kooky "Lefties".

Looks like idiocy is ambidextrous after all.

166 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #162 Adrenalyn

I don't get it

aren't there violent leftwing kooks out there ?

Not for the next 4 years (at a minimum) there's not!

167 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:34pm

With all due respect Charles, the report is a smear job against conservatives and veterans. For instance, the following b.s. which purports to describe what might be a "right-wing extremist":

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Funny, I thought opposition to illegal immigration and upholding the rule of law was normal. I guess I am a right-wing extremist and deserve government surveillance for my radical views.

Why stop at anti-illegal propopents and veterans. Why not go full bore and accuse Catholics...(oops, they did that by including abortion opponents.)

The report does not come out directly and say veterans are right-wing extremists. But simply by including the group in an otherwise unseemly group of characters does the same thing for this government....making red-blooded, Constitution-loving, Americans seem like nuts.

It would be like saying we have to watch out for pimps, robbers, drug-smugglers and insurance adjusters. (Hint; one of these things is not like the other)

168 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:42pm

re: #162 Adrenalyn

I don't get it

aren't there violent leftwing kooks out there ?


They call them freedom fighters.

169 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:45pm

re: #164 Racer X

The U.S. Government is simply not smart enough to pull of any type of major conspiracy. Period.


That's what they want you to think. /

170 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:51pm

re: #135 Gus 802

Were they seen "dancing" when the event took place?

//

Yes! Israeli movers*, who for some reason were bobbing around off the Somali coast, were filming the pirate attack and cheering!

* And what did Charles just get finished doing? Coincidence? I don't think so!

171 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

You didn't hear? All the Jewish crewmen on the Maersk Alabama got a phone call warning them to stay home that morning!

/

My question is have we ever seen the "alleged" Somali pirates that "supposedly" were the actors in this event. Have the military "powers that be" produced any evidence that this "event" ever happened at all?

/did I get enough "air quotes" in there?

172 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:06pm

re: #162 Adrenalyn

I don't get it

aren't there violent leftwing kooks out there ?

Just some guy in the neighborhood.

173 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #160 tedzilla99

. . .and it appears to be a preemption to the tea parties tomorrow, as was PBO's 'everything is getting better but it won't actually get better right now' doublespeak teleprompter show today.

They knew about the pending Tea Parties a year ago? Come on.

174 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #121 opnion

Right. He is the President of the United States of America. His views are not germane to the subject of a commencement speech.

I'll bet he doesn't even blame Bush for anything.

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:20pm

*Sigh*

176 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #126 IslandLibertarian

We need a "What?!" button.

I have no idea what you mean.

177 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:42pm

re: #99 bosforus

I don't think it's just neo-Nazi's either. I'm sure this point has been brought up but on G. Beck's show yesterday morning they were talking about various sites like HuffPo, MediaMatters discussing showing up at the tea parties and acting like "the typical loony conservative" to undermine the effort.

I read those posts at Huffpo, and they did not say anything like that. They called for "citizen journalists" to take videos and photos and file reports from tea parties. They did not say anything like "act like the typical loony conservative."

Glenn Beck is trying to set up an excuse in advance, because he knows there are going to be a lot of extremists at these events, and he's partly responsible for encouraging them.

178 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:49pm

re: #161 MandyManners

LOL...Ill try...at work...mad...not thinking clearly...need a crown and coke.

179 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:11:53pm

re: #163 Yashmak

Well, that's self-evident. It's largely a redundant bureau in the first place.

I'd like to know how the report went public.

180 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:03pm

so, lemme see

violent rightwing protestors disrupted the _____ summit in _____ (city)


I just don't remember that headline

181 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:05pm

re: #164 Racer X

The U.S. Government is simply not smart enough to pull of any type of major conspiracy. Period.

"These are the people who brought us the Susan B. Anthony dollar. And Amtrak."

- The X-Files

182 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:09pm

re: #171 Truck Monkey

My question is have we ever seen the "alleged" Somali pirates that "supposedly" were the actors in this event. Have the military "powers that be" produced any evidence that this "event" ever happened at all?

/did I get enough "air quotes" in there?

Captain Phillips is really a CIA agent! We will never see the crew of the Alabama again!

Run for the hills!

//

183 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:17pm

re: #143 seagreenroom

It wouldn't bother me quite so much if there were also "reports" on left-wing extremists.

Let's be fair and balanced, shall we?

They're in charge!

184 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #169 DaddyG

That's what they want you to think. /

Hey I watched The Urinal Deuce.

I'm serial.

185 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #158 ~BfromTX

wet powder...sorry... :-(

Put the salient point ending the paragraph last on a separate line. It should have looked like this (maybe with additional forward slashes):

Mr. Johnson, your loathing of the X-files is showing
// ~B
186 AmeriDan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:12:31pm

BBL

187 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #138 brookly red

try re-saving the PDF ?

I'm carefully checking my documents (where it supposedly saved).

If I vanish for half an hour, it's because I once again got kicked off the internet.

188 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Yes! Israeli movers*, who for some reason were bobbing around off the Somali coast, were filming the pirate attack and cheering!

* And what did Charles just get finished doing? Coincidence? I don't think so!

It's a set-up! //

189 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:13:36pm

American Legion Calls On DHS To Apologize For "Right Wing Extremist" Memo


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

190 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #177 Charles


Until Rush, Beck and others get a hold of the majority of these extremists, they are doing conservatives and the GOP no favors.

191 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:13:42pm

Maybe the report should have just said and been about just ... Extremists ... no need to say right or left ... group all extremist together ... but then I am sure somebody would say ... well, what is your opinion of "extreme" ... it makes your head swirl ...

192 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:14:05pm

re: #167 LionOfDixon


Funny, I thought opposition to illegal immigration and upholding the rule of law was normal. I guess I am a right-wing extremist and deserve government surveillance for my radical views.

They're not worried about peaceful opposition to illegal immigration. They're worried about violent opposition that in itself threatens the rule of law. No matter how I read it, I can't see that they're expecting this from conservatives in general; but rather that such incidents might break out amongst the fringe elements.

193 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:14:40pm

re: #179 jaunte

I'd like to know how the report went public.

Apparently we need a new Department of Homeland Security Internal Security.

194 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:14:54pm

After reading the report I do find it vague and its play over the Internet is concerning. Though I am concern this report should have been part of a much larger report concerning extremist groups of all flavors so as to prevent any accusation of political bias.

195 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:12pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

Well Caroline Kennedy is 0 for 2. One more and she is outta there!

Well, ya know...ya know...ya know

196 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:22pm

re: #54 Racer X

I could make a phone call and get the black helicopters painted white. Or green. Just let me know.

Paint them blue and they will blend in with the sky. Invisible helicopters.

197 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:28pm

re: #173 Yashmak

They knew about the pending Tea Parties a year ago? Come on.

I can make a document right now with any date on it I want. Charles's famous THROBBING MEMO™ showed that.

198 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #191 JacksonTn

For the next 4 years there will only be right wing extremists. If you share any values with FCBBHO there is no way you can be an extremist.

199 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:37pm

Last update - 22:12 14/04/2009

Demjanjuk taken from U.S. home for deportation

By Reuters

Tags: Demjanjuk, Holocaust


U.S. agents took suspected Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk from his Ohio home on Tuesday to deport him to Germany where he faces charges in the deaths of 29,000 Jews.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

So long, it's been (not so) good to know ya. So long, it's been (not so) good to know ya. So long you F..ckin Son of a Bitch!

200 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:50pm

ok, please name a Hummer dealership that violent rightwing protestors burned ?

show me a red paint attack on leftwing loonies wearing fake fur too

I am sure the list could get huge if we tried......

201 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

Well Caroline Kennedy is 0 for 2. One more and she is outta there!

She should have cheated on her taxes. //

202 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:06pm

re: #193 Yashmak

If this is the pattern for a DoHS report, I'll volunteer to privatize the writing function, and cut the cost and delivery time at least in half.

203 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #5 Charles

Yes, I can see them from my house. Oh, Charles? WE KNOW when you say iphone, that's code to say you're in the bunker of your new LGF HQ.
See you down there later for happy hour.

204 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:21pm

re: #191 JacksonTn

the report should have just said and been about just ... Extremists

BINGO

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:29pm

Folks -- this story is being pushed out there by World Net Daily, and a "libertarian" website that supports Ron Paul. It's utter, complete crap.

And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

206 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:32pm

re: #102 Dianna

The Vatican does not condone abortion. The Kennedys all support abortion.

The Vatican is within its rights. That one's a no-brainer, even for a non-Catholic like me.

I'll leave the Notre Dame issue alone.


The thing is, any country can refuse to accept the credentials of an ambassador. If she was to be our ambassador to Italy & this happened I would be offended, but this is the Vatican, it's their business.

207 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:48pm

re: #171 Truck Monkey

My question is have we ever seen the "alleged" Somali pirates that "supposedly" were the actors in this event. Have the military "powers that be" produced any evidence that this "event" ever happened at all?

/did I get enough "air quotes" in there?

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

We're through the looking-glass here, people!

208 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:16:51pm

re: #201 DaddyG


Taxes are for the little people and I'm sure Caroline has no time for such trivial matters.

209 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #205 Charles

Folks -- this story is being pushed out there by World Net Daily, and a "libertarian" website that supports Ron Paul. It's utter, complete crap.

And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

Is Paul dead?

210 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #187 Dianna

stay on the road, stay off the moores... :)

211 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:17:32pm

re: #197 tedzilla99

I can make a document right now with any date on it I want. Charles's famous THROBBING MEMO™ showed that.

Ah, so now DHS is scheming against conservatives. . .who were about the only ones who thought DHS was a good idea in the first place. Ironic, if it were true.

212 Christopher Luebcke  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:17:57pm

re: #197 tedzilla99

...and an even more extraordinary claim requires even more extraordinary evidence.

213 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:17:58pm

re: #198 soxfan4life

GMTA (my 166)

214 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:18:03pm

re: #205 Charles


And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

Oy.

Say it ain't so, Michelle.

215 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:18:07pm

re: #205 Charles

And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

Did any of your contacts mention how the report was disseminated?

216 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #192 Yashmak

When was the last time you heard about a violent or even unruly anti-immigration rally. This is a red herring.

217 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

We're through the looking-glass here, people!

They were really thespians from the Obama-Hollywood liberal cabal! //

218 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #202 jaunte

If this is the pattern for a DoHS report, I'll volunteer to privatize the writing function, and cut the cost and delivery time at least in half.

They buy into it, let me know, I'd be glad to help out. I can write diplomatically awkward prose in my sleep. In fact, that's when I usually write it.

219 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:19:03pm

re: #189 Dustyvet

American Legion to Napolitano: Apologize


Of all the smears listed in the new DHS warning about “right-wing extremism,” none are more dastardly and despicable than the insinuation that returning military veterans represent a security threat to the nation they willingly served. The Commander of the American Legion has sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano explaining to her that military veterans are not the enemy:

Secretary Janet Napolitano
Department of Homeland Security
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528

April 13, 2009

Dear Secretary Napolitano,

On behalf of the 2.6 million-member American Legion, I am stating my concern about your April 7 report, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence and Recruitment.”

First, I want to assure you that The American Legion has long shared your concern about white supremacist and anti-government groups. In 1923, when the Ku Klux Klan still yielded unspeakable influence in this country, The American Legion passed Resolution 407. It resolved, in part, “…we consider any individual, group of individuals or organizations, which creates, or fosters racial, religious or class strife among our people, or which takes into their own hands the enforcement of law, determination of guilt, or infliction of punishment, to be un-American, a menace to our liberties, and destructive to our fundamental law…”

The best that I can say about your recent report is that it is incomplete. The report states, without any statistical evidence, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

The American Legion is well aware and horrified at the pain inflicted during the Oklahoma City bombing, but Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation’s uniform during wartime. To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical “disgruntled military veteran” is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam.

Your report states that “Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages.” Secretary Napolitano, this is more than a perception to those who have lost their job. Would you categorize union members as “Right Wing extremists”?

In spite of this incomplete, and, I fear, politically-biased report, The American Legion and the Department of Homeland Security share many common and crucial interests, such as the Citizen Corps and disaster preparedness. Since you are a graduate of New Mexico Girls State, I trust that you are very familiar with The American Legion. I would be happy to meet with you at a time of mutual convenience to discuss issues such as border security and the war on terrorism. I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are.

Sincerely,

David K. Rehbein
National Commander
The American Legion

[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]

220 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

We're through the looking-glass here, people!

OH MY G-D YOU'RE RIGHT!

/to the hills people

221 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #217 Gus 802

They were really thespians

Look, there's no reason to make assumptions about their sexual orientation, that's just way outta line.

222 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #215 jaunte

Did any of your contacts mention how the report was disseminated?

It was found clutched in the hand of a dead Bush administration appointee found at the mouth of a secret underground tunnel linking DHS to the Crawford Ranch. //

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:19:45pm

re: #99 bosforus

I don't think it's just neo-Nazi's either. I'm sure this point has been brought up but on G. Beck's show yesterday morning they were talking about various sites like HuffPo, MediaMatters discussing showing up at the tea parties and acting like "the typical loony conservative" to undermine the effort.

Will it matter if the loons are "lefty plants", or the real thing, when no one objects to their lunacy?

224 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:15pm

re: #127 Christopher Luebcke

You see, it's treating a hypothesis as fact that gets us in to most of these messes in the first place. For example, the notion that the timing of the release of this report was carefully calculated as a counterstrike at the Tea Party protests is a hypothesis. It can explain the evidence. It is, however, fairly extraordinary, and therefore requires fairly extraordinary evidence before it can accepted as fact.

Choosing to state such a hypothesis as a fact simply because you find it likely, or appealing to your view of the parties involved, is an error. It is exactly the same error committed by 9/11 troofers, and by conspiracy theorists around the world, throughout time.

Occam's Razor wisely suggests that the simplest explanation that fits the facts is the most likely to be true. Everybody take a quick shave.

So, will you join me as we await the release of the "Leftwing extremist report"? Get ready to hold your breath...1....2...3...

I did not mention the "Tea Parties" at all. I just said this entire report is smear job, and, I would say it would be hard to say otherwise, no matter what razor you apply.

225 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

Yes. Somali pirate #1 is hot.

226 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:24pm

re: #149 Truck Monkey

You mean a "botched" abortion results in a human being? I thought that they were just another clump of cells (like cancer) that could be extracted and dispatched with due haste. This might lead me to re-think my position vis-a-vis abortion. The cognative dissonance thing is starting to bother me a little.

My problem was that the issue transcended abortion. The born infant is a human being in full & should have all rights as a person & a citizen.
It is not Obama hating to slam him on this,.

227 tompaineftw  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:25pm

The timing of the release is certainly suspect.

228 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #221 Occasional Reader

Look, there's no reason to make assumptions about their sexual orientation, that's just way outta line.

//Thespiphobe

229 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:32pm

re: #216 LionOfDixon

When was the last time you heard about a violent or even unruly anti-immigration rally.

That's why it's a report about something that might happen, not something that has already happened.

230 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #208 soxfan4life

Taxes are for the little people and I'm sure Caroline has no time for such trivial matters.

You can't pay taxes if you don't make any money. Too bad her brother got both the looks and the brains in that family.

231 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #222 DaddyG

...along with some pizza receipts...

232 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #227 tompaineftw

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

233 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:23pm

The commander of the attack submarine Hartford, which collided with an amphibious ship March 20 in the Strait of Hormuz, was relieved of command Tuesday in Bahrain, according to a Navy news release

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Well I am sure he is a good man, but his bags have been pact since the night of the incident I am sure.

234 NelsFree  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:48pm

re: #193 Yashmak

Apparently we need a new Department of Homeland Security Internal Security.


Didn't Obama propose a Domestic Security Force of some sort during the campaign?
/link-hunt begins...

235 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:51pm

re: #222 DaddyG

It was found clutched in the hand of a dead Bush administration appointee found at the mouth of a secret underground tunnel linking DHS to the Crawford Ranch. //

You're good at this.

236 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:52pm

re: #211 Yashmak

Ah, so now DHS is scheming against conservatives. . .who were about the only ones who thought DHS was a good idea in the first place. Ironic, if it were true.

The dept is run by the same person who halted illegal alien raids and wants to not use the word terrorism, rather 'man-caused disasters'. Not much a leap, friend.

237 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:21:57pm

re: #205 Charles

Folks -- this story is being pushed out there by World Net Daily, and a "libertarian" website that supports Ron Paul. It's utter, complete crap.

And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

Help?

Contradicted how? Is anyone willing to go on record?

238 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #227 tompaineftw

The timing of the release is certainly suspect.

Question the timing!
Seriously, conservatives have morphed into the LLL. Quagrmire!

239 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #230 Truck Monkey

Her brother made his money the old fashioned way, he married into it.

240 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #57 Charles

It's a fact that neo-Nazi groups ARE trying to infiltrate the "tea parties," by the way.

Well, when I go to the Phoenix tea party tomorrow I'll keep an eye out for guys in Colonial outfits with swastika armbands.

241 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #147 jaunte

For the same reason that the DHS produces daily reports like this, which could be mistaken for LGF's spinoffs on any given day. They're the government, and they're doing what they are supposed to in order to justify their continued existence as a bureaucracy and funding.

As Charles noted, this report was in the works for more than a year, and the fact that the SPLC was involved doesn't minimize the fact that there are right wing fringe groups that have engaged in terrorism before, and could again engage in terrorism.

The DHS site is a mess if you are trying to research additional publications that they've released. I can't imagine why that's the case - instead of a single access point to read through all the pubs, they have them spread out over multiple categories, and it's not even exhaustive. How's that for transparency.

242 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:51pm

When this report was written, before Obama became president, was the entirety of DHS working for Bush, and only for Bush? Did Obama fire everyone at DHS and hire all new DHS workers? I'm going to guess, NO, on both questions. Many in "Bush's" CIA was working against Bush, as evidenced by the scam pulled by Wilson and Plame. It is disingenuous to say that, since this report was written way way back when, in the Bush era, that it couldn't possibly be a smear against the right. We all know that all the various agencies and entities in our government are not always in synch with the current administration, and, in the case of GW Bush, many were working quite perfectly out-of-synch, and purposefully. This is a smear campaign.

Also: Who recruited Mcveigh? Oh, but I can't talk about that, can I? Lest I be nuts. It probably wasn't crazy, white-supremecist right-wingers, despite the "accepted wisdom" swallowed whole by nearly one and all.

243 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:56pm

re: #197 tedzilla99

I can make a document right now with any date re: #212
Christopher Luebcke

...and an even more extraordinary claim requires even more extraordinary evidence.

on it I want. Charles's famous THROBBING MEMO™ showed that.

Touch.exe (several flavors available free on the internet)

244 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #101 DaddyG

There are three types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.

245 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:02pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Question the timing!
Seriously, conservatives have morphed into the LLL. Quagrmire!

Please don't broad-brush conservatives like that, Killgore.

246 jdog29  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:05pm

Ha, ha, ha. I knew the double reverse pyschology would work.

Are we arguing shades of perception now.

247 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #237 Dianna

Probably not. Public statements are left to department heads and such. As it should be.

248 Rima  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:14pm

Fox is covering the report, with comments from a DHS spokeswoman. The report is real.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And even though research was started prior to Obama's election, the report mentions "current economic conditions" as possible kindling:

"'The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when right-wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.,' it continues..."

I would also caution that the language in the report, which refers to "right-wing extremist" groups, could easily be extended to include rational conservatives and libertarians. If this administration can label the war on terrorism an "overseas contingency operation," it can call you whatever it wants.

249 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

We're through the looking-glass here, people!


Yeah, we need a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

250 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #139 Dustyvet

One of my all-time favorites! And she is 76 years old now, and still singing....here is her CV.

Thanks for the video. I saved it.

For any Canadian lizards, she will be playing at the Ex in August.

251 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #239 soxfan4life

Her brother made his money the old fashioned way, he married into it.

As did she I might add.

252 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:23:52pm

re: #234 NelsFree

Didn't Obama propose a Domestic Security Force of some sort during the campaign?
/link-hunt begins...

I was talking more along the lines of a humorous response to jaunte's question 'how was this report leaked?'. . .sounds like DHS could use some additional security itself.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:01pm

Don't got no plots. Ain't blowin' nuthin up.

Don't need to start an Apathy Movement, it's pretty big already...

But they don't care about me. They find some group of dumb asses who want to hurt Americans? I hope they kill them.

254 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:13pm

if the KKK is going to infiltrate tea parties

be on the lookout for this man

255 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:17pm

re: #241 lawhawk

I shudder to think how many meetings, phone calls, memos and special transport had to be paid for to get that report as a result.

256 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:27pm

And another point -- the document on thelibertypapers.org has been altered somehow. I don't know exactly what was done, but the table of contents pane in Mac OS Preview is showing garbage characters instead of words. It's been messed with.

Here's one that seems to be untouched, at Wikileaks:

[Link: secure.wikileaks.org...]

257 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:34pm

re: #245 capitalist piglet

Unless you're being crazy I wasn't talking to you. Since you took offense I question your sanity.

258 moonbattery  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:44pm

Anyone see this part?

those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms, ownership and use.

Those are the parts that got my attention.

259 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #167 LionOfDixon

I agree and this was what I was trying to say in an earlier post, but my right wing crazy got in the way...my bad.

MandyManners/jwb7605...better?

260 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:45pm

Caddyshack comes to life.

Spokane parks detonating ground squirrels

Spokane Parks officials are mounting a counterattack with a commercially available weapon – the Rodenator Pro — that injects their burrows with propane and oxygen and sparks an explosion that shakes the ground and collapses their furrows.

It also turns the little critters into fertilizer.

261 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:24:49pm

re: #244 CyanSnowHawk

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.

heh.

262 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #250 NY Nana

One of my all-time favorites! And she is 76 years old now, and still singing....here is her CV.

Thanks for the video. I saved it.

For any Canadian lizards, she will be playing at the Ex in August.

Your welcome Nana...:)

263 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Question the timing!
Seriously, conservatives have morphed into the LLL. Quagrmire!

I thought it would take a year or two. Yet here we are already.

264 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:27pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Question the timing!
Seriously, conservatives have morphed into the LLL. Quagrmire!

And yet, Killgore, the LLL is still the LLL. One could say that the LMR* is a direct consequence of the LLL getting their hands on the steering wheel.

*Loony Moronic Right

265 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:29pm

re: #255 jaunte

I shudder to think how many meetings, phone calls, memos and special transport had to be paid for to get that report as a result.


Threaten a couple of ACORN sponsored bus tours to the right neighborhoods and even the bureacracy can move at warp speed.

266 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:31pm

re: #249 lawhawk

Yeah, we need a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

Those pirates are pretty fuckin' far from "okay".

267 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:47pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Unless you're being crazy I wasn't talking to you. Since you took offense I question your sanity.

Killgore ... maybe you should say "some" conservatives ...

268 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:25:58pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Question the timing!
Seriously, conservatives have morphed into the LLL. Quagrmire!

Then why release it at all? If "groups" are being looked at, why put them on notice? Would it have been okay prior to 9/11 for the gov't to come out and say "We're looking at extremists groups that are taking flying lessons"

There are some things a gov't MUST do to protect it's citizens. One of those things is to NOT announce ongoing investigations

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:10pm

Perhaps if Glenn Beck would stick something in his pie hole rather than opening it....

270 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:16pm

re: #260 jcm

Caddyshack comes to life.

Spokane parks detonating ground squirrels

It's been a while since Caddy Shack was on-like yesterday maybe? But I don't remember that turning out so well . For the gold course I mean?

271 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Unless you're being crazy I wasn't talking to you. Since you took offense I question your sanity.

You're overreacting to what I said. I'd ask you why, but I don't care.

272 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:28pm

re: #256 Charles

And another point -- the document on thelibertypapers.org has been altered somehow. I don't know exactly what was done, but the table of contents pane in Mac OS Preview is showing garbage characters instead of words. It's been messed with.

Here's one that seems to be untouched, at Wikileaks:

[Link: secure.wikileaks.org...]

Yep, I would never trust ANY version of this sort of document from anything other than the original source.

Important safety tip, kids.

273 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #260 jcm

Caddyshack comes to life.

Spokane parks detonating ground squirrels

It is good to know that Bill Murray is still working.

274 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #245 capitalist piglet

Please don't broad-brush conservatives like that, Killgore.

He's been doing it for awhile now.

275 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:33pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Public statements are left to department heads and such. As it should be.

Well, fine. But I'm sick of dueling anonymous sources.

I'm tired, my head aches, and this stupid document exists purely to frustrate me.

276 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:37pm
it’s depressing to see so many bloggers jumping to totally unwarranted conclusions.

And it's depressing to even contemplate such a conclusion. But as I stated in a previous thread, I do not trust this administration. I am wary of its objectives and motives. Until I'm more comfortable that we are not on the fast track to socialism and kissing goodbye to American democracy, then I will continue to be wary and suspicious.

277 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:42pm

re: #267 JacksonTn

Killgore ... maybe you should say "some" conservatives ...


Maybe you should infer words that are not included in sentences. If I want to implicate all of something I'll use the word "all".

278 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:42pm

re: #264 Honorary Yooper

And yet, Killgore, the LLL is still the LLL. One could say that the LMR* is a direct consequence of the LLL getting their hands on the steering wheel.

*Loony Moronic Right

RRR - Ridiculous Radical Right?

279 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:43pm

I'm anti-illegal immigration, anti-abortion and a veteran. I guess I hit the trifecta.

280 Racer X  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:43pm

The voices in my head are telling me it is time to go.

281 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:47pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Unless you're being crazy I wasn't talking to you. Since you took offense I question your sanity.

That was uncalled for.

(And yeah, I know you weren't talking to me, either, so I guess this proves I'm insane. Or something like that.)

282 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:27:59pm

re: #264 Honorary Yooper

And yet, Killgore, the LLL is still the LLL. One could say that the LMR* is a direct consequence of the LLL getting their hands on the steering wheel.

*Loony Moronic Right

May I suggest, as the opposite of LLL, the RRR (Ridiculous Reactionary Right)?

283 Christopher Luebcke  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:00pm

re: #224 Desert Dog

So, will you join me as we await the release of the "Leftwing extremist report"? Get ready to hold your breath...1....2...3...

I did not mention the "Tea Parties" at all. I just said this entire report is smear job, and, I would say it would be hard to say otherwise, no matter what razor you apply.

Apologies; many of the theories floating around here suggest that the report was specifically timed to counter the Tea Party protests, and I incorrectly attributed the same to your post.

That said, the notion of it as a "smear job", even in general, presupposed a deliberate, biased action on the part of the department. This may in fact be true, but to assume it is true, without evidence, is, I believe, a mistake.

When dealing with objectionable government actions, the most likely explanation, and the one that requires no additional evidence, is mere incompetence.

284 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #270 nevergiveup

It's been a while since Caddy Shack was on-like yesterday maybe? But I don't remember that turning out so well . For the gold course I mean?

I found video

285 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:07pm

Is anybody following the "Tea Parties are astroturf" kerfuffle?

Think Progress started reporting on it last week.
FireDogLake picked it up on Monday.
Paul Krugman wrote about it in the NY Times today.

The money quote came from David Schuster, filling in for Olbermann:

if you are planning simultaneous tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey.
286 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:13pm

re: #254 Adrenalyn

if the KKK is going to infiltrate tea parties

be on the lookout for this man

LOL. The Robert C. Byrd Memorial Tea Party.

287 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #275 Dianna

...this stupid document exists purely to frustrate me.

You are on to them. Quick get your tinfoil hat! //

288 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:32pm

re: #274 sattv4u2

He's been doing it for awhile now.

It's not his fault. It was my unreasonable request that set him off.

/

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:47pm

re: #278 Bloodnok

RRR - Ridiculous Radical Right?

That has a nice ring to it.

290 tompaineftw  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:47pm

Just don't be turned off by this 'report' and be sure to show up tomorrow.

291 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:49pm

re: #279 LionOfDixon

I'm anti-illegal immigration, anti-abortion and a veteran. I guess I hit the trifecta.

Please provide your location. Homeland Security customer representatives will arrive to assist you shortly.

/

292 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:28:59pm

Too bad that the state of Missouri produced a report like this one from the DHS then went around trying to retrieve the copies.

293 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:05pm

re: #256 Charles

And another point -- the document on thelibertypapers.org has been altered somehow. I don't know exactly what was done, but the table of contents pane in Mac OS Preview is showing garbage characters instead of words. It's been messed with.

Here's one that seems to be untouched, at Wikileaks:

[Link: secure.wikileaks.org...]

Is that why it keeps refusing to load? And kicking me off the internet? I didn't enter a super-sekrit code?

(I'm in a very bad mood by now, sorry.)

294 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:07pm

re: #275 Dianna

Well, fine. But I'm sick of dueling anonymous sources.

I'm tired, my head aches, and this stupid document exists purely to frustrate me.

You may be on to something here!

295 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:24pm

re: #286 Colonel Panik

LOL. The Robert C. Byrd Memorial Tea Party.

PeKKKot, anyone ?

296 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:31pm

RRR could also stand for

the ridiculed rational right

297 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #237 Dianna

Yes, I would like to read the "contradictions" you speak of?

298 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #279 LionOfDixon

I'm anti-illegal immigration, anti-abortion and a veteran. I guess I hit the trifecta.

Guess that makes two of us, better get ready to lose our rights to habeus corpus and make reservations for GITMO.

299 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:42pm

re: #287 DaddyG

You are on to them. Quick get your tinfoil hat! //

Sorry.

I'm going to go take a walk and try to recover my temper.

Today is not going well.

300 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #288 capitalist piglet

It's not his fault. It was my unreasonable request that set him off.

/

naaahhh ,, it was your photo link to Denzell that did it!

//

301 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:30:16pm

I just got a call from an unknown number in the Washington DC area code. There was silence then a hang up.

They are after me now!
/

302 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:30:17pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Maybe you should infer words that are not included in sentences. If I want to implicate all of something I'll use the word "all".

Killgore ... maybe so ... but I don't feel like I am the only one who took it to mean "conservatives" ... the whole group ... it just seems to me you are somehow finding pleasure in this ... my opinion ... I don't like it either ... glad some things are being exposed ... but I don't find pleasure in it at all ...

again ... just my opinion ...

303 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

That has a nice ring to it.

I'm not sold on "Ridiculous". Another "R" might work better. We've got another 4 years to perfect it. There's time.

304 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #278 Bloodnok

RRR - Ridiculous Radical Right?

GMTA, or at least similarly.

305 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:30:58pm

re: #301 DaddyG

I just got a call from an unknown number in the Washington DC area code. There was silence then a hang up.

They are after me now!
/

You have a phone number that's very close to Rick Perry's?

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:02pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

I have such a man crush on Denzel!

DENZEL!

307 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:09pm
...the report even says that only a tiny number of veterans would join such groups — but that their talents could bring a great deal of capability to the extremists. Has everyone simply forgotten that Timothy McVeigh was a veteran?

Some returning veterans have been known to join radical Leftwing groups as well. Check out this speech given by an Iraq War vet named Mike Prysner, at a recent anti-war demonstration in LA:

308 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:20pm

re: #301 DaddyG

I just got a call from an unknown number in the Washington DC area code. There was silence then a hang up.

They are after me now!
/


it was Eliot Spitzer's new escort service
confirming your appointment with one of his girls

309 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:31pm
310 Seattle Rep  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:31pm

re: #278 Bloodnok

RRR..? Are you a pirate or something?

311 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:35pm

re: #301 DaddyG

I just got a call from an unknown number in the Washington DC area code. There was silence then a hang up.

They are after me now!
/

Nah. That was just me. You answered and I forgot what I called you about. Sorry for the scare.

312 Deseeded  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:39pm

re: #258 moonbattery

Right Moon, that's what I was talking about. It's a pretty ridiculously huge generalization.

313 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:42pm

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have such a man crush on Denzel!

DENZEL!

You would have a CRUSH on ANYONE you sat on though!

314 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:53pm
315 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:31:58pm

re: #299 Dianna

((((((Dianna))))))

316 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:19pm

The only blogger I know of that this could potentially affect is that Ronbo guy that everyone was so worried about.

317 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:27pm

re: #297 ~BfromTX

Yes, I would like to read the "contradictions" you speak of?

Can't answer that.

I haven't spoken to anyone from DHS; I don't know what MM was told, and I don't know what Charles was told.

I'm merely an exasperated person who can't read the bloody report, whose own writing is not behaving itself, and doesn't want to get into a fight without knowing what exactly it's about.

318 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:28pm

re: #298 soxfan4life

Guess that makes two of us, better get ready to lose our rights to habeus corpus and make reservations for GITMO.

GITMO's booked. Pirate convention.

319 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:28pm

re: #308 Adrenalyn

it was Eliot Spitzer's new escort service
confirming your appointment with one of his girls

They will have to wait. I have four girls at home waiting for me to decorate sugar cookies tonight.

Do they run errands and do laundry. That I could use.

320 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:29pm

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have such a man crush on Denzel!

DENZEL!

Possible Bromance?
/

321 Christopher Luebcke  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:52pm

re: #242 Taqiyyotomist

It is disingenuous to say that, since this report was written way way back when, in the Bush era, that it couldn't possibly be a smear against the right...

Nobody said that.

This is a smear campaign.

There's a very wide gap between "possible" and "true". You bridge it with evidence.

322 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:32:59pm
323 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:33:13pm

re: #318 KenJen

Soon it will be the veterans reeducation center.

324 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:33:32pm

re: #308 Adrenalyn

it was Eliot Spitzer's new escort service
confirming your appointment with one of his girls

"Bailout Escorts. Let us be your stimulus package!"

325 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:33:39pm

These are the exact words from the report about extremists trying to recruit veterans:

DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

This is absolutely not an attempt to paint all veterans with a broad brush. It very specifically states "a small percentage" might join such groups, and the point it makes is completely valid.

326 NelsFree  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:33:53pm

re: #234 NelsFree


Ah-ha! Found it!

327 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:33:58pm

re: #242 Taqiyyotomist

When this report was written, before Obama became president, was the entirety of DHS working for Bush, and only for Bush? Did Obama fire everyone at DHS and hire all new DHS workers? I'm going to guess, NO, on both questions. Many in "Bush's" CIA was working against Bush, as evidenced by the scam pulled by Wilson and Plame. It is disingenuous to say that, since this report was written way way back when, in the Bush era, that it couldn't possibly be a smear against the right. We all know that all the various agencies and entities in our government are not always in synch with the current administration, and, in the case of GW Bush, many were working quite perfectly out-of-synch, and purposefully. This is a smear campaign.

Also: Who recruited Mcveigh? Oh, but I can't talk about that, can I? Lest I be nuts. It probably wasn't crazy, white-supremecist right-wingers, despite the "accepted wisdom" swallowed whole by nearly one and all.

Did you read the report? It mentions stuff that happened last week. It mentions the recent downturns in the economy, not just stuff in 2008. It also references events and "trends" prior to Obama coming into office as well. Why was this declassified today? What was the motivation? We can all sit here and think, "oh, this is nice, the government is just giving us a warning, how nice of them". Classified DHS reports become unclassifiedre: #283 Christopher Luebcke

when someone at the DHS decides to make that change. And, something like this had to be known to Secretary Napolitano, she had to approve it. No?

We can agree to disagree, Christopher. I see your point, but I am fairly sure this report was a political maneuver, not a warning to the citizenry.

328 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:34:13pm

I'll repost what I said in the overnight thread after looking the PDF file over.

...if it is real, what I got out of it is this:

DHS and law enforcement officials should be concerned with possible domestic terrorism because political & economic conditions now, are very much like they were in the 90s when recruitment in militia and white-supremacist groups began to swell. In the 90s we had the Post-Cold War recession, a housing market collapse, high unemployment, growing concerns about illegal immigration, worries about further erosion of the 2nd Amendment by a Democrat president and congress, and concerns that the newly elected Democrat President would not take foreign policy seriously and may subordinate the interests of the United States to the UN. Sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it? I'm pretty sure the stuff about returning disgruntled vets was added into it because McVeigh was a disgruntled gulf-war vet who went on to commit domestic terrorism.

IMO, WND and its ilk are blowing this way out of proportion and the kook base is eating it up for a victim badge.

I stand by this. There's no there there. Assuming its not a fake, it's biggest sin is being badly written and overuse of the term "right-wing extremism".

329 jdog29  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:34:47pm

"Always" statements are "Never" right.

"Never" statements are "Always" wrong.

330 jamgarr  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:34:51pm

re: #260 jcm

Caddyshack comes to life.

Spokane parks detonating ground squirrels


License to kill varmint poontang!

331 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:34:53pm

re: #325 Charles

These are the exact words from the report about extremists trying to recruit veterans:

This is absolutely not an attempt to paint all veterans with a broad brush. It very specifically states "a small percentage" might join such groups, and the point it makes is completely valid.

John Kerry would disagree ...

332 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #256 Charles

I'm curious as to why this publication is nowhere to be found on the DHS website.

However, for those folks wondering about left wing extremism. There have been reports in the past on just that: from April 2001.

Google reveals quite a bit, including comparisons between right wing and left wing extremism, plus the trend away from left wing extremism during the 1990s (although I think that underplays the role of the leftists in eco-terrorism that has significantly expanded in recent years).

333 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:35:39pm

The groups infiltrating the tea parties are Paulistas and Pumas.

334 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:35:40pm

re: #317 Dianna

Sorry, I'm not typing well either, I was agreeing with you that I would like to read the contradiction also to be more informed than just a quick post that they exist without explaining what they are and who said them.

335 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #329 jdog29

"Always" statements are "Never" right.

"Never" statements are "Always" wrong.

All generalizations are false. :-)

336 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:36:11pm

re: #325 Charles

These are the exact words from the report about extremists trying to recruit veterans:


This is absolutely not an attempt to paint all veterans with a broad brush. It very specifically states "a small percentage" might join such groups, and the point it makes is completely valid.


Why use the term right wing? Couldn't they just say extremists?

337 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:36:29pm

After having many first hand (and often bad) experiences with a department of Homeland Security, TSA, I don't trust them to do the right thing in any circumstance.

338 Truck Monkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:36:46pm

re: #335 jwb7605

All generalizations are false. :-)

Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. ; )

339 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #263 Bloodnok

I thought it would take a year or two. Yet here we are already.

There were those who were just lying in wait for this kind of moment. The loons on both side have always been there, always waiting for their chance to make some noise.

Anyway, it's high time the notions of "right" and "left" were dumped. They've never really been accurate to describing politics. Many of these Stromfronters, Ron Paulians, and others are best termed as collectivists rather than the individualists they masquerade as. They, like Pamela, GoV, VB, have little interest in individual rights, and are always willing, as are their counterparts on the so-called "left" (MoveOn, World Can't Wait) to hijack any event or movement if it furthers their agenda.

The big problem right now is, the loons, the fascists and the communists, are in control right now. This leaves us, the individualists, out of the equation. This is not a good thing, and it cannot end well.

340 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:04pm

re: #337 Perplexed

After having many first hand (and often bad) experiences with a department of Homeland Security, TSA, I don't trust them to do the right thing in any circumstance.

What's a little probing between friends? //

341 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:12pm

re: #336 KenJen

Why use the term right wing? Couldn't they just say extremists?

They know that the left wingers are in the bag for them.

/s

342 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #205 Charles

Folks -- this story is being pushed out there by World Net Daily, and a "libertarian" website that supports Ron Paul. It's utter, complete crap.

And by the way, I've also heard from people at the DHS about this, and they flatly contradicted what Michelle Malkin is saying.

From AJ Strata:

U

pdate: Speaking of embarrassing, it seems Michelle Malkin has decided she resembles rightwing extremists who bomb buildings and murder Americans:

"Confirmed: The Obama DHS hit job on conservatives is real

By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives."

What a frigging drama queen! She even notes that DHS has done reports like this on extreme left wing groups, but she cannot help seeing herself as the victim here! This is beyond embarrassing. Is she planning to recruit our war hero veterans and manipulate them into attacking America? Damn, the need for attention with that one is strong.

I can't stand Malkin!

343 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:47pm

re: #338 Truck Monkey

Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. ; )


well I think that on is true. Especially the strawberry cheese cake.

344 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #340 DaddyG

What's a little probing between friends? //

"Hello, i'll be your TSA representative. My name in Ben, Ben Dover"

345 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:38:34pm

re: #325 Charles

What kind of response would this report be getting if the small percentage was school teachers or community organizers, both of whom also have skills extremist groups from both ends of the spectrum would want.

346 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:38:48pm

re: #344 sattv4u2

"Hello, i'll be your TSA representative. My name in Ben, Ben Dover"

And here to help us is another TSO Bea Friendly....

347 jdog29  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:38:58pm

re: #335 jwb7605

All generalizations are false. :-)

...and there are no exceptions.

348 Olderthandirt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:39:01pm

"Hello, I'm from the government and here to help you!" Shades of the TVA, eh!

Seriously, while this report project might have been started a years ago, it shouldn't have been distributed then or now. Maybe President Obama's administration is simply completing a work started during the Bush years. So what? This report is crap bullshit and shouldn't have been sent out. If the Federal government wants to warn against extremism, great, do it on both side. Include the Move-on folks, the ANSWER folks, and other such folks who are trying to subvert our capitalist society into a socialist society an doing that quite well now. Names don't have to be used, activities described perhaps. Recall: It's not the thought, it's the actions (Behaviors by another name!).

McVeigh was an aberration except he was successful at killing many people. Waco wasn't a problem until Janet Reno sent in her killer clowns, Ruby ridge wasn't an issue until an FBI sniper made a terrible mistake, Elan was a mistake on both sides.

For me, the issue here is that once again the federal government is trying to categorize people by their political beliefs and saying: "One side is bad!" Read the damned report and then preach your gospel.

349 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #217 Gus 802

They were really thespians from the Obama-Hollywood liberal cabal! //

Actually, handsome and fairly successful thespians. SO? ...

350 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:39:35pm

re: #322 Iron Fist

Everybody is hoarding ammo. People who don't even own guns are hoarding ammo.

buy low, sell high :)

351 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:39:41pm

re: #338 Truck Monkey

Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. ; )

Everything taste's good on a Ritz!...:)

352 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:39:51pm

President Barack Obama’s speech for this year’s graduating class of midshipmen is the culminating event on a schedule of May events announced Monday by the Naval Academy.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Makes me happy that I am not doing an Active Duty Stint at the Academy till July!

353 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:40:27pm

Probably a good idea to read the DHS report itself.
[Link: images.logicsix.com...]

354 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:40:27pm

re: #351 Dustyvet

Everything taste's good on a Ritz!...:)

best cracker ever ... cream cheese on ritz ... I could eat the whole box ...

355 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:40:46pm

re: #351 Dustyvet

Everything taste's good on a Ritz!...:)

So far I gotta agree with both those statements!

356 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:40:56pm

re: #352 nevergiveup

President Barack Obama’s speech for this year’s graduating class of midshipmen is the culminating event on a schedule of May events announced Monday by the Naval Academy.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Makes me happy that I am not doing an Active Duty Stint at the Academy till July!

I wonder if the Teleprompter will wear a sailor suit for that event.

357 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:00pm

re: #209 nevergiveup

Is Paul dead?

Get his latest album and play it backwards to see.

358 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:00pm

So lets see. J. Napolitano doesn't want us to use "terrorists" anymore. They are now "man-caused disasters."

Will there be softer name for RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS?

////

359 neoconundrum  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:02pm

Speaking of Worldnet Daily, WTF is going on with Joe Farah?

He let's this anti-semitic drek Pat Buchanan spew his shit for as much and as long as he wants to!

What a huge BLACK SPOT on an otherwise mostly-interesting website!


[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

360 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #345 soxfan4life

What kind of response would this report be getting if the small percentage was school teachers or community organizers, both of whom also have skills extremist groups from both ends of the spectrum would want.

They are not suspects. They dont want to hurt the government. Don't bite the hand that feeds you and gives you your paycheck.

361 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:10pm

re: #354 JacksonTn

best cracker ever ... cream cheese on ritz ... I could eat the whole box ...

Although the box is not nearly as tasty as the crackers themselves.

(Just being helpful).

362 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:36pm

re: #349 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Actually, handsome and fairly successful thespians. SO? ...

And they masticate--in public!

363 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:37pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

So lets see. J. Napolitano doesn't want us to use "terrorists" anymore. They are now "man-caused disasters."

Will there be softer name for RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS?

////

REACTIONARIES?

364 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:46pm

re: #325 Charles

These are the exact words from the report about extremists trying to recruit veterans:


This is absolutely not an attempt to paint all veterans with a broad brush. It very specifically states "a small percentage" might join such groups, and the point it makes is completely valid.

I'm sure most here know this little tid bit of history..but interestingly enough most of todays outlaw motor cycly gangs can trace their original roots back to returning WW2 vets. I believe the Hells Angels original members we're disolusioned veterans.

365 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

So lets see. J. Napolitano doesn't want us to use "terrorists" anymore. They are now "man-caused disasters."

Will there be softer name for RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS?

////

Republicans

366 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:42:03pm

re: #361 DaddyG

Although the box is not nearly as tasty as the crackers themselves.

(Just being helpful).

But if ya really hungry......

367 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:42:19pm

re: #356 soxfan4life

I wonder if the Teleprompter will wear a sailor suit for that event.

/dressing up the teleprompter now? kinky.

368 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:42:28pm

GAME

On the Sunday Morning talk fests, lets count the number of times the talking heads say "right wing extremists"

369 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #366 nevergiveup

But if ya really hungry......

More fiber, less taste

370 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #364 Spider Mensch

I'm sure most here know this little tid bit of history..but interestingly enough most of todays outlaw motor cycly gangs can trace their original roots back to returning WW2 vets. I believe the Hells Angels original members we're disolusioned veterans.

Ex bomber crews IRC.

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:05pm

Watching "Terminator". Ever notice how easy it is for them to just waltz into these large factories?

372 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:06pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

GAME

On the Sunday Morning talk fests, lets count the number of times the talking heads say "right wing extremists"

Will this be a drinking game? If so, we'll all be shit-faced really quickly on Sunday morning.

373 jdog29  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:07pm

re: #345 soxfan4life

What kind of response would this report be getting if the small percentage was school teachers or community organizers, both of whom also have skills extremist groups from both ends of the spectrum would want.

if the report had read, "... a small percentage of Professors at Berkley are promoting political radicalism..."

"... a small percentage of Black Ministers"

gotta hand it to Soxfanforlife... that'd be Check and Mate.

374 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:18pm

re: #363 Perplexed

REACTIONARIES?

still too harsh

375 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:23pm

re: #364 Spider Mensch

I usually think more along the lines of the Bonus Army.

376 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:30pm

re: #325 Charles

Not entirely related, but there are also some returning veterans that are taking their experience and acquired skills back to the street gangs they were in before enlisting.

377 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #365 Desert Dog

Republicans

bingo

378 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:33pm
379 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:43:51pm

I'm a bit puzzled as to what constitutes a right wing extremist.

380 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:02pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

So lets see. J. Napolitano doesn't want us to use "terrorists" anymore. They are now "man-caused disasters."

Will there be softer name for RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS?

////


Bitter Klingers.

381 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:04pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watching "Terminator". Ever notice how easy it is for them to just waltz into these large factories?

A lot easier on TV and in Hollywood than in real life.

382 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:14pm

re: #366 nevergiveup

But if ya really hungry......

Or have a really, really bad case of the munchies...:)

383 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #378 taxfreekiller

A large majority of the Democrat Party belong to left wing nut root wacko organizations such as Earth First, ACORN, Move On .org, La Raza, and many splinter groups with known records of violence and lawless protest.

A large majority?

384 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #322 Iron Fist

Everybody is hoarding ammo. People who don't even own guns are hoarding ammo.

It's keep the ammo makers in business. Invest in Winchester et al.

385 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:28pm

re: #379 kansas

Anyone who doesn't agree with 0bama's path to socialism.

386 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:42pm

Anti-government extremists organize Tea Parties

From a Missouri Fox affiliate.

387 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:44:58pm

re: #379 kansas

I'm a bit puzzled as to what constitutes a right wing extremist.

Anyone who doesn't swallow the left wing Kool-aide.

/s

388 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:05pm

re: #380 Colonel Panik

Bitter Klingers.

Sorry ,,, I thought you said Klingons

Image: mass_klingons2.jpg

389 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:09pm

re: #327 Desert Dog

Yes I did read the report and am in agreement with you.

My statement was in response to Charles first point of contention above, where he stated (in such a way that it seemed to be a refutation point),

"That’s ludicrous. First, this DHS assessment was begun more than a year ago, before Barack Obama was even elected."

This sentence is a non-sequitor. As in, this does not follow. Do we remember Plame and Wilson? Believe it or not, there are quite a few people working for the government in its various agencies and entities who are not entirely on the same page as whichever president is currently occupying the Oval Office.

So the fact that this report was "begun" on Bush's "watch" means less than nothing.

390 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:34pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Anti-government extremists organize Tea Parties

From a Missouri Fox affiliate.

Constitution Party is the Dominionists/Identists right?

391 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:34pm

re: #372 Desert Dog

Will this be a drinking game? If so, we'll all be shit-faced really quickly on Sunday morning.

Yes, the cauldrons of molten steel are all burning bright, the stamper machines are stamping.....but, nobody is working. Maybe the Terminator and Sarah Connor showed up during one of those "Union Mandated" coffee breaks?

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:43pm

re: #381 Honorary Yooper


That's what I'm thinking. Factories'd be kind of cool just to wander around in and look at stuff.

393 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:44pm

re: #378 taxfreekiller

A large majority of the Democrat Party belong to left wing nut root wacko organizations such as Earth First, ACORN, Move On .org, La Raza, and many splinter groups with known records of violence and lawless protest.

La Raza ... now there is a group that needs to have a camera on them 24/7 ... I don't think people realize what they are really about and what splinter groups affiliate with them ... I believe many people associate them with the union migrant workers of the past type of thing ... not even close ... but if you say anything about them ... well, you know ... you are racist ...

394 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:55pm

re: #303 Bloodnok

I'm not sold on "Ridiculous". Another "R" might work better. We've got another 4 years to perfect it. There's time.

Ribald?

395 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:45:59pm

re: #376 Slumbering Behemoth

Not entirely related, but there are also some returning veterans that are taking their experience and acquired skills back to the street gangs they were in before enlisting.

There's a number of street gangs out there who get some of their members enlisted just to learn the skills. These folks never intend to be a true part of our armed forces as they are there just for the training.

396 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:46:05pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

Sorry ,,, I thought you said Klingons

[Link: www.kowabunga.org...]

Q'plagh!

397 Strike Hornet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:46:11pm

Ummm...if this DHS report started a year ago under the Bush administration, was there also a DHS report on left wing extremists?

398 jamgarr  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:46:18pm

The Boozefighters for one.

399 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:46:34pm

re: #383 medaura18586

A large majority?


Better?

400 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #389 Taqiyyotomist

You know, I realized that after I typed up my little post. I forgot to erase it and actually posted it on top of another post.....pimf, I should know that by now, eh?

401 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:29pm

re: #397 Strike Hornet

Ummm...if this DHS report started a year ago under the Bush administration, was there also a DHS report on left wing extremists?

If there was President Bush would have the good sense to keep it under wraps, and not let it get out prior to an anti government rally.

402 tedzilla99  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:35pm

re: #389 Taqiyyotomist

Yes I did read the report and am in agreement with you.

My statement was in response to Charles first point of contention above, where he stated (in such a way that it seemed to be a refutation point),

This sentence is a non-sequitor. As in, this does not follow. Do we remember Plame and Wilson? Believe it or not, there are quite a few people working for the government in its various agencies and entities who are not entirely on the same page as whichever president is currently occupying the Oval Office.

So the fact that this report was "begun" on Bush's "watch" means less than nothing.

Exactly! And this report does not mention one single group by name.

403 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:47pm

re: #395 Honorary Yooper

Are these gangs you mention "right-wing" gangs?

404 loppyd  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:49pm

re: #385 soxfan4life

Anyone who doesn't agree with 0bama's path to socialism.

You beat me to it.

405 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #262 Dustyvet

Funny how you can forget people over the years, and since she had not been mentioned for awhile? Your post brought back so many memories, especially of an era where the lyrics were actually understandable! ;)

Wow! Am I crotchety today!

406 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:48:25pm
407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:48:45pm

A majority can be 51%. A large majority says over 75% to me.

No such thing as a "more perfect Union" either. But I know what they meant.

408 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #390 Thanos

Yeah, they have a thing for Biblical interpretation of the Constitution. Along with a bunch of New World Order stuff.

409 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:48:57pm

re: #403 Taqiyyotomist

Are these gangs you mention "right-wing" gangs?

No idea if they are "right wing" or "left wing", but in Chicago, they do provide muscle for some of the ward bosses come election time.

410 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #381 Honorary Yooper

A lot easier on TV and in Hollywood than in real life.

Actually, the bigger the plant the easier it is to gain entry. Walk in with a clipboard while wearing safety glasses and you can walk around for hours before anyone takes notice. I do field service work in large plants.

411 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:12pm

re: #387 Perplexed

Anyone who doesn't swallow the left wing Kool-aide.

/s

The poor marketing folks at Kool-aide want you to know that the Jonestown punch was actually made from Flavor Aid, poisoned with Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.

Thats got to be the worst PR disaster of all times. Now its a standard colloquialism.

412 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:16pm

I don't use the word "extremism" to label people, because it's a non-essential that depends entirely upon your time and place. It's the particular ideas that matter.

People who plot to violently over throw the government are engaged in illegal activity, and should be dealt with. The government should check that out, but it should not be going after "extremism".

I'm a right wing extremist, in that I am for Laissez-faire capitalism, and individual rights on principle. But, that sort of "extremism" is a good thing and is what the Founding Fathers fought for.

413 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:34pm
414 Euler  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:44pm

The trouble with the DHS report that some bloggers see is not so much that it demonizes some on the right, but that some poorly spun political bias seems to creep into it—these bloggers seem to be snarking, not hyperventilating.

Jonah Goldberg sees it as "nakedly ideological", and one of his readers notices a White House spokesman was willing to use the T-word ("terrorism") so long as this includes domestic threats.

Mark Steyn sees a certain cavalier disregard of the 10th amendment, and Jonah Goldberg carries the idea a bit further.

415 Land Shark  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:49pm

re: #205 Charles

Well said, Charles. We conservatives need to look into these types of stories before we react. There are plenty of real reasons to oppose Obama, but we can't be falling for every rumor and story without checking it out first. Otherwise we're no saner than those Leftist moonbats who spent the last 8 years imagining all sorts of Bush/Chenney plots. Trust but verify, as the great Ronaldus Maximus said.

Folks, let's not be that deranged. There are plenty of real reasons to be strongly opposed to the Obamanation. Don't go off the deep end seeing conspiracies behind everything.

416 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:49:55pm

Well guess what Drudge is leading with?

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

417 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:50:14pm

Rocket.
I'm taking a rocket.
I'm packing my suitcase.
Hey, look out, Moon!

Yeah, a rocket
into outer space.
Good-bye, human race.
I'll be there soon.

Blast off!
For fun and adventure.
Yes, I said adventure
collecting stones.

Yeah, it's my way,
on the old space highway.
That's why they all say,
"There goes Astronaut Jones!"

/sos out

418 MJBrutus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:50:53pm

For the most part I think you're right Charles. But I do find cause to be concerned, nonetheless. This feels like a trip back down to the bad old days of Clinton and Janet Reno.

Even though the report isn't particularly objectionable, it smacks of a political maneuver, associating the "right" with terrorism (so-called militias, McVeigh, etc). It also feels to me like a ploy to detract our focus from Islamic terrorists and also the dangers of opening our borders (as is being pursued now by the powers that be).

419 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:02pm

re: #379 kansas

I'm a bit puzzled as to what constitutes a right wing extremist.

To a lefty? Anyone who dares to think for themselves, and see the real world.

They are terrified, I tell you!

420 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:13pm

re: #395 Honorary Yooper

Precisely. And LE is having a tough time of dealing with this.

421 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:13pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watching "Terminator". Ever notice how easy it is for them to just waltz into these large factories?

Tango is too noticeable.

422 aggieann  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:14pm

re: #362 calcajun

And they masticate--in public!

While their epidermis is showing!

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:24pm

Remember "Right Wing Nut-Jobs". I liked that one.

424 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:25pm

re: #339 Honorary Yooper

There were those who were just lying in wait for this kind of moment. The loons on both side have always been there, always waiting for their chance to make some noise.

Anyway, it's high time the notions of "right" and "left" were dumped. They've never really been accurate to describing politics. Many of these Stromfronters, Ron Paulians, and others are best termed as collectivists rather than the individualists they masquerade as. They, like Pamela, GoV, VB, have little interest in individual rights, and are always willing, as are their counterparts on the so-called "left" (MoveOn, World Can't Wait) to hijack any event or movement if it furthers their agenda.

The big problem right now is, the loons, the fascists and the communists, are in control right now. This leaves us, the individualists, out of the equation. This is not a good thing, and it cannot end well.

I agree. And far too many are sitting idly by because they are more interested in seeing Obama being taken down a peg than they are sanity in their own party.

425 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:51pm

re: #293 Dianna

Is that why it keeps refusing to load? And kicking me off the internet? I didn't enter a super-sekrit code?

(I'm in a very bad mood by now, sorry.)

I have two versions. One file is 2000 KB bites and the other is only 984 KB. The 2000 KB version is refusing to load and it's the one I had read earlier. The 984 KB one loads fine.

426 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:51pm

re: #353 Spare O'Lake

Probably a good idea to read the DHS report itself.
[Link: images.logicsix.com...]

Is there or has there been a report on Left-Wing Extremism, and if not, why not?

This thing makes my skin crawl. It is an intensely political document.

427 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #411 DaddyG

The poor marketing folks at Kool-aide want you to know that the Jonestown punch was actually made from Flavor Aid, poisoned with Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.

Thats got to be the worst PR disaster of all times. Now its a standard colloquialism.

Anything from a powered drink mix gets called Kool-Aid. Dilution of trademark much like a tissue being called Kleenex.

428 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #378 taxfreekiller

A large majority of the Democrat Party belong to left wing nut root wacko organizations such as Earth First, ACORN, Move On .org, La Raza, and many splinter groups with known records of violence and lawless protest.

/Bill Ayers must be proud...

429 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:12pm

Most of the local talk radio hosts were blowing a gasket over this in the morning. I did not get a chance to listen to any of Rush's show today. Was he unhinged about it too?

430 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:15pm

re: #405 NY Nana

Funny how you can forget people over the years, and since she had not been mentioned for awhile? Your post brought back so many memories, especially of an era where the lyrics were actually understandable! ;)

Wow! Am I crotchety today!

I just sicced the cat on the mailman...:)

431 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:22pm

re: #413 Iron Fist

Excellent. It does occur to me to question why they think there may be new restrictive gun legislation coming down. Hasn't Obama assured us that this isn't his agenda?

Yeah, well, sort of. But seriously, if they think that new gun laws could provoke violence, shouldn't we simply not pass any such laws? It's really that easy.

Everything Obama and the Dems do, they tell us they are not doing while they are doing it. Everything. It's almost a tautology. One can almost guess what they are up to by listening to what they deny.

432 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:37pm

My considered response to this report is that its an example of "Fear, Loathing and Confusion".

433 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:52:51pm

re: #422 aggieann

While their epidermis is showing!

And I've heard how they matriculated in school, too. Heavens.

434 MPH  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:01pm

Oh no-- People up in arms over this are being played the fool. The perception will be presented as they are defending the Tim McVeighs of the world.

435 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:16pm

re: #416 nevergiveup

Well guess what Drudge is leading with?

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

what's new ... same out stuff ... what did they call it "astroturfing" ... say something long enough and people believe it ... push it everywhere ... no, I am not saying that there are not extremists on the right and the left ... but why are they pushing this hard now ... somebody wants this out there ... nothing comes out of Obama administration via Axelrod without planning ... same in the campaign ...

436 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #427 Perplexed

Anything from a powered drink mix gets called Kool-Aid. Dilution of trademark much like a tissue being called Kleenex.

Good point. I remember a few years (decades) back when Xerox tried to get people to stop using the term Xeroxing and Xerox copies.

437 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:24pm

re: #399 kansas

No, actually. Not better at all. Where are these statistics coming from?

438 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:38pm

Stormfront is thrilled at the conservative reaction.....
They're Waking Up!

Finally! Drip, drip, drip drip! The tiny drops have started to hit them in the forehead.

Taken from the Hot Air comment section regarding the recent DHS report:

Quote:
Exactly! In order to move beyond this the right needs to understand the error in support of the creation of Patriot Act and DHS. I fully admit that I was wrong, I was a huge Bush supporter and I regret not having the peripheral vision that I’ve since developed or else I would have seen what a fraudulent man he is.

We are doing almost exactly what Germany did before their metamorphosis into an all out fascist regime. And many like people on this site, including myself, cheered it on when a Republican was in office. I regret my ignorance.

439 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:38pm

re: #417 SasquatchOnSteroids

Rocket.
I'm taking a rocket.
I'm packing my suitcase.
Hey, look out, Moon!

Yeah, a rocket
into outer space.
Good-bye, human race.
I'll be there soon.

Blast off!
For fun and adventure.
Yes, I said adventure
collecting stones.

Yeah, it's my way,
on the old space highway.
That's why they all say,
"There goes Astronaut Jones!"

/sos out

440 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:53:54pm

re: #426 Spare O'Lake

Is there or has there been a report on Left-Wing Extremism, and if not, why not?

This thing makes my skin crawl. It is an intensely political document.


That's all we're going to see for the next 4 years. Funny how 0bama is seeing all these good signs for the economy , almost nothing from his stimulus bill has taken any effect yet.

441 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:05pm

re: #429 ArchangelMichael

Most of the local talk radio hosts were blowing a gasket over this in the morning. I did not get a chance to listen to any of Rush's show today. Was he unhinged about it too?

I get him delayed (on now).
No -- I missed a bit of it, but he seems to be taking Charles' attitude.
He's back on Somali pirates now.

442 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:07pm

re: #325 Charles

Since there doesn't seem to be a "pure" copy of this report, can anyone tell me if disaffected union workers who have become unemployed, or perhaps Wall Street bankers are mentioned as potential threats? The copy I read specifies vets exclusively.

443 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:14pm
444 albusteve  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #431 Taqiyyotomist

Everything Obama and the Dems do, they tell us they are not doing while they are doing it. Everything. It's almost a tautology. One can almost guess what they are up to by listening to what they deny.

exactly the way I look at it....and I don't think I'm being clever, seems pretty obvious

445 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:29pm

re: #432 Conservative in Liberal Hands

My considered response to this report is that its an example of "Fear, Loathing and Confusion".

Sounds like a Hunter Thompson story - "Fear, Loathing, and Confusion in Washington DC"

446 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:33pm

re: #414 Euler

Michael Medved actually sounds concerned about it. I don't ordinarily regard him as hysterical and reactionary (in fact, he's usually tamping down the crazy wing), but your mileage may vary.

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:43pm

re: #421 CyanSnowHawk

Tango is too noticeable.

Tango is my very favorite dance.

Tango!

448 Athos  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:52pm

re: #419 NY Nana

To a lefty? Anyone who dares to think for themselves, and see the real world who is not them.

They are terrified, I tell you!

I think it's much simpler...as the correction notes. They are both terrified and thrilled with their opportunity - and are playing for keeps.

449 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #393 JacksonTn

La Raza ... now there is a group that needs to have a camera on them 24/7 ... I don't think people realize what they are really about and what splinter groups affiliate with them ... I believe many people associate them with the union migrant workers of the past type of thing ... not even close ... but if you say anything about them ... well, you know ... you are racist ...


To question groups like La Raza, or to suggest that there should be increase scrutiny of hate spewing Imams at Mosques is of course narrow minded & intolerant.
This study is an easy exercise in outrage. Who is going to defend skin heads etc.?

450 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:15pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Anti-government extremists organize Tea Parties

From a Missouri Fox affiliate.

That was very bad reporting. While I disagree with the Constitution party on fundamentals, they had no evidence of them doing anything that would harm anyone. I mean, they had no evidence whatsoever, yet they smeared them anyone. Terribly unjust.

451 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #443 taxfreekiller

Basically anyone who was eligible to vote and didn't voted for 0bama.

452 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #434 MPH

Oh no-- People up in arms over this are being played the fool. The perception will be presented as they are defending the Tim McVeighs of the world.

Like Hitler, McVeigh had a point. It was under his hat.

Nothing--absolutely nothing-- excuses either of them.

453 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:30pm
454 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:31pm

re: #436 DaddyG

Good point. I remember a few years (decades) back when Xerox tried to get people to stop using the term Xeroxing and Xerox copies.

Be the first one on the block with a hot idea and product and that product becomes the new Duct Tape.

455 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:55:58pm

re: #431 Taqiyyotomist

Everything Obama and the Dems do, they tell us they are not doing while they are doing it. Everything. It's almost a tautology. One can almost guess what they are up to by listening to what they deny.

Now you have an idea how things are run in Chicago and Cook County. This is what they do on a daily (Daley?) basis here.

456 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:56:19pm
457 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #453 buzzsawmonkey

His aura might cause the ocean levels to go down, but it makes my nausea level go sky high.

458 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:56:38pm

re: #430 Dustyvet

I just sicced the cat on the mailman...:)

Remind me not to post and eat lunch at the computer...it can be a choking hazard!

459 Emerald  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:12pm

Once upon a time, I stumbled into a forum, following a link for a pickle recipe of all things. The recipe discussion had odd undertones, so I looked around. Some of the threads intrigued me, so I spent some more time reading the site, following the links, etc.

To call the people on that site dangerous right-wing extremists would be the grossest understatement you'd imagine.

These nuts do exist. They openly dream of bloodshed. They look forward to an end-of-the-world scenario, because they hope masses of the "undeserving" will die. To them, the easiest way to change things is to kill off everyone they dislike, whether it's their skin color, religion, or way of life. They bragged of the crimes they committed to secure their supplies for when the day comes that they can unleash their venom.

Acknowledging that their are dangerous radicals on the right in no way trivializes the dangerous radicals on the left. Both exist. Both are dangerous. It's folly to pretend otherwise.

460 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:14pm

re: #455 Honorary Yooper

Now you have an idea how things are run in Chicago and Cook County. This is what they do on a daily (Daley?) basis here.

"ob...obst...obs.... I'ma skip that word..." - T. Stroger.

461 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tango is my very favorite dance.

Tango!

How about The Masochism Tango:
My heart is in my hand - yuch!

462 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:26pm

re: #437 medaura18586

No, actually. Not better at all. Where are these statistics coming from?

Not sure why only one side has to be able to back up their statistics.

463 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #450 Archimedes

That was very bad reporting. While I disagree with the Constitution party on fundamentals, they had no evidence of them doing anything that would harm anyone. I mean, they had no evidence whatsoever, yet they smeared them anyone. Terribly unjust.

anyone = anyway!

464 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #428 brookly red

/Bill Ayers must be proud...

* * * *
Sure Bill Ayers and his wife, who visited Fidel Castro, are happy now. Another of their best Amigos Revolucionarios, Fidel Castro, is now an honored head of state & future guest of our President, with Most Favored Nation status sure to be given to Castro's communist workers' gulag.

Just pretend not to notice genocidal murdering totalitarians are our new new allies.

465 Dustyvet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:58:05pm

re: #458 NY Nana

Remind me not to post and eat lunch at the computer...it can be a choking hazard!

Sorry Nana... you otays?

466 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:58:05pm

re: #446 capitalist piglet

Michael Medved actually sounds concerned about it. I don't ordinarily regard him as hysterical and reactionary (in fact, he's usually tamping down the crazy wing), but your mileage may vary.

Medved likes to have shrieking moonbats as guests on his show, because they make him look so moderate and reasonable.

467 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow

Sounds like a Hunter Thompson story - "Fear, Loathing, and Confusion in Washington DC"

"...I hope none of you ever have to have breakfast with Michelle obama whilst in the depths of an ether binge...."

468 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:58:24pm

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tango is my very favorite dance.

Tango!

you know who else likes to Tango ... Robert Duvall ... he loves to Tango ...

469 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:58:51pm
470 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:59:01pm

re: #438 Killgore Trout

Stormfront is thrilled at the conservative reaction.....
They're Waking Up!

The Disinformation campaign is spreading like wildfire. The first report I downloaded from HotAir must have been the altered version Charles was talking about ealier because the file won't open for me now though I read it over the internet. The other file of the same report from wikileaks is just under half the KB and it opens fine for me.

471 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:59:18pm

re: #466 Alouette

Medved likes to have shrieking moonbats as guests on his show, because they make him look so moderate and reasonable.

I don't hear any shrieking today, actually...but I know what you're talking about.

472 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 12:59:23pm

So who is our side anyway?

I am not the only one to notice that "our side" is devolving daily into a festering and pestilent mass of insanity, hatefullness and rabid, irrational vitriol. Is the face of our side really now nothing more than Glenn Beck, and Rush and Coulter screeching insanity? It is not a very far step from them (these days) to Ron Paul and John Birchers. It is like worms, feeding off the heat of decay on the corpse of the GOP and fighting for territory.

No crazy story is too crazy. No accusation too vile. No leap of stupid too stupid. No facts will be permitted to get in the way. That will not be helpful when there are real issues to address. And why are we not doing so? (Again who is the we here?) Who can honestly call the GOP the height of fiscal responsibility or scientific thought? Who can honestly call them an inculsive party that reached out to the other side?

I for one am glad yet again to hear people here come out and say enough to the crazy. I suppose the difference between one opposed to some of the president's policies vs. someone who just hates the president is easily seen in the pirate situation.

It is the primary role of any navy to protect the shipping and maritime interests of it's nation. Shooting pirates, when not hanging them from yard arms, is a fine naval tradition.

Had Obama not shot them, the right wing would have been accusing him of cuddling up to "his Muslim buddies." When he did what needed to be done, we hear little but mean spirited crap from "our side."

So ummm... whatever "our side" is, I am not a part of that if it is to be the voice of madness.

My side is America. I really don't care what your party is so long as you do the job right. There is no party in this nation that serves America over it's own political needs.

My side is for reason. There is no party in this nation that would care more for what is true than what is politically useful.

473 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:00:08pm

re: #472 LudwigVanQuixote

(um) Rush is screeching insanity? Waht?

474 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:00:30pm

Finally! A much needed report finally comes out. I have been waiting for this bad boy for a long time.

Who knew there were whack jobs on the left AND the right? Incredible!

/really?

475 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #462 kansas

Not sure why only one side has to be able to back up their statistics.

Which side ever provided un-backed statistics?

476 Athos  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #446 capitalist piglet

Michael Medved actually sounds concerned about it. I don't ordinarily regard him as hysterical and reactionary (in fact, he's usually tamping down the crazy wing), but your mileage may vary.

I would say the same thing about Ed Morrissey and his commentary about it on Hot Air - with the same caveat.

477 jaunte  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:01:01pm

re: #412 Archimedes

I don't use the word "extremism" to label people, because it's a non-essential that depends entirely upon your time and place. It's the particular ideas that matter.

People who plot to violently over throw the government are engaged in illegal activity, and should be dealt with. The government should check that out, but it should not be going after "extremism".

I'm a right wing extremist, in that I am for Laissez-faire capitalism, and individual rights on principle. But, that sort of "extremism" is a good thing and is what the Founding Fathers fought for.

Upding for pointing out the essential divide between acts and ideas.

478 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:01:34pm

Neil Cavuto's substitute is on Fox News @4pm talking about Janet Napolitano's DHS report that the economy is causing "Right Wing Extremism".

479 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:01:35pm

Iran: U.S. Journalist Tried Behind Closed Doors

An Iranian American journalist accused by Iran of spying for the United States has been tried behind closed doors, Iran's judiciary said today, and a verdict is expected in one to two weeks.
480 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:00pm

Just to be very clear -- I am NOT saying we should trust everything the government does. I would be the last person in the world to argue for that.

But this report is being distorted beyond recognition, by people who really should know better. Criticism is one thing, alarmism is quite another.

481 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:02pm

re: #328 ArchangelMichael


I stand by this. There's no there there. Assuming its not a fake, it's biggest sin is being badly written and overuse of the term "right-wing extremism".

Yep.

482 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:18pm
483 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:54pm

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

484 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #429 ArchangelMichael

Most of the local talk radio hosts were blowing a gasket over this in the morning. I did not get a chance to listen to any of Rush's show today. Was he unhinged about it too?

Rush was talking about it, yes. But I don't think he was "unhinged".

He thought the timing of its release was odd with the Tea Parties coming up this week and suspected it was political. But he wasn't anticipating black helicopters landing on the roof of the EIB building and dragging him away from his golden microphone, if that is what you are inferring.

485 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:02:59pm

Thanos,

It's OT for this thread, but I recently had an email exchange with an Albanian-American journalist that reminded me of your comment regarding the Serbian lobby. Some more on that (yes, we do write to each-other in English) from him:

The funny thing is that the Serbs after all the propaganda against Albanians as Muslims, have ended up in the Muslims' lap begging them not to recognize Kosovo.

Recently, Serbia refused to support a resolution against Iran in UN on the conditions of the human rights in that country. The reason was Iran's support for Serbia's claim on Kosovo. Tadic and Jeremic have been in three Arab countries only in the last week. You should have seen them sucking up to Ghedafi & co.

486 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:03:23pm

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

The Paulnuts have been there for a long time, along with the World Nut Daily and VDARE folks.

Ron Paul won his primary race against a seeminly sane GOP opponent, and got an awful lot of votes (and raised tons of money) in his GOP presidential primary run. The GOP has a big, big problem.

487 opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:03:29pm

Soon Obama will own this, but at this moment - as predicted by John Bolton, and others- it's on Bush/Rice.

IAEA: North Korea expels inspectors

The International Atomic Energy Agency says North Korea is expelling its inspectors. The North has also told the UN nuclear watchdog that it is reactivating all of its nuclear facilities.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

488 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #479 jcm

Iran: U.S. Journalist Tried Behind Closed Doors

An Iranian American journalist accused by Iran of spying for the United States has been tried behind closed doors, Iran's judiciary said today, and a verdict is expected in one to two weeks.



Two weeks? I'm sure they found her guilty before she was arrested!
Maybe they want to see how much they can get in ransom.

489 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #327 Desert Dog

I'm coming around to thinking that, while the report was initiated over a year ago, it's being used by the Obama administration for political purposes. I'm bothered by how vague it is. No specific troublesome groups are named. It points the finger at single-issue groups, again without naming names, as if there's something sinister about being a single-issue group. Being pro-life or anti-illegal immigration are perfectly legitimate, mainstream viewpoints, yet the report treats them like fringe opinions. It explicitly ties anti-illegal immigration sentiment to racism as a way to further marginalize supporters of the rule of law. The fact that it was released just before the Tea Party protests is mighty suspicious to me, too. I'm sure there are some potentially violent right-wing fringe groups, but this report doesn't enhance my confidence in the ability of the Obama administration to distinguish the crazies from the merely pissed off. I am not going off the deep end or trying to claim persecution at all. I just see the potential for this report to be misused for political purposes.

490 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:03:56pm
491 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:04:06pm

That there is nuttiness on the right is really beyaond denial.
There are Christian Identity extremists, Nazis, troofers etc.
But to use Tim McVeigh as the poster boy seems kind of like a canard.
There is McVeigh & then..........
This report would have had credibility if it also dealt with Acorn La Raza & jihadists among us.
This report has a slanted political agenda. It is kind of like the Somali War Lord who yesterday called Americans the "real pirates."

492 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:04:10pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

Pop on over to DHS web site and ask them. May or may not get an answer, but it is worth a try.

493 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #325 Charles

These are the exact words from the report about extremists trying to recruit veterans:


This is absolutely not an attempt to paint all veterans with a broad brush. It very specifically states "a small percentage" might join such groups, and the point it makes is completely valid.


well, I am glad John Kerry is not lumped into this group for his help to the North Vietnamese

494 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:05:13pm

re: #478 alegrias

Neil Cavuto's substitute is on Fox News @4pm talking about Janet Napolitano's DHS report that the economy is causing "Right Wing Extremism".

Andrea Tantaros is on (thanks for the heads up, BTW) and just made a good point. Obama will now benefit from a good 'unseen enemy', like Clinton benefitted from 'the vast right wing conspiracy'. She pointed out that most of the potential extremists are 'unidentified', and that will help Obama.

495 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:05:16pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

* * * *
Probably not, because as Joe Biden sagely said when he went down to Miami Beach and partied with the unions behind closed door at their Fountainbleu Hotel, "Dance with the ones that brung ya"

496 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:05:27pm

Frail, elderly nazi carried out in wheelchair by immigration agents.

This monster has lived way too long. Time to die.

497 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:05:34pm

re: #438 Killgore Trout

LOL...whatever.

498 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:05:41pm

I'm not one of the hyperventilators, but if the assessment predates Obama's election then why is his election one of the central components of its analysis? What am I missing?

499 opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:04pm

This on the other hand is on Obama- although Bush/Rice would likely do the same.

US will provide the Lebanese military with unmanned aircraft

Washington also recently decided to give Lebanon battle tanks; hopes moves will strengthen the Lebanese government's authority, counter Hizbullah.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Do they know in Washington that Hezbullah is in the Lebanese Government?

500 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:05pm

Damn it...bulletin on the radio: court has granted that SOB nazi Demjanjuk a stay.

Screw the courts. He lives to 90? Why the hell was he ever allowed into the US to begin with?

Too angry to post. BBL.

501 ltc8k6  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:06pm

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Powerline covers it pretty well. Definitely an odd report and certainly something for concern, imo.

502 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:25pm

re: #419 NY Nana

To a lefty? Anyone who dares to think for themselves, and see the real world.

They are terrified, I tell you!

I think that is true for many of them. They want us all to uphold their fantasies, while they rob people blind and ruin lives.

503 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #498 Diamond Bullet

I'm not one of the hyperventilators, but if the assessment predates Obama's election then why is his election one of the central components of its analysis? What am I missing?

had McCain won, this would have been kept internal

that 0bama won, they will use it as propaganda

504 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #489 doppelganglander

That's exactly what Rush was saying about it today.

505 aggieann  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #411 DaddyG

The poor marketing folks at Kool-aide want you to know that the Jonestown punch was actually made from Flavor Aid, poisoned with Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.

Thats got to be the worst PR disaster of all times. Now its a standard colloquialism.

Not only that, but it doesn't even derive from Jonestown, but from The Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test. Don't have time to find a link right now.

506 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:42pm

re: #496 Alouette

Frail, elderly nazi carried out in wheelchair by immigration agents.

This monster has lived way too long. Time to die.

He can't walk because he's weighted down by all those he killed.
Let him crawl. Or drag him. Why should he be shown more mercy than he showed to others.

507 oldschool  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:06:55pm

I read the report and it pretty much says that anyone who is against abortion, Limited federal powers is pro second amendment or has disagreements with anything on the leftists agenda is a Right Wing Nut that should have data collected on them. With this broad brush and no mention of specific groups the Feds can gather information on just about anyone they want. Am I reading this wrong? I don't care if it started a year ago if this is the policy of the Obama administration I don't like it. The overwhelming opinion here is it is nothing to worry about. I hope so. The DHS assuring Charles that there is nothing to worry about does not give me reassurance though.

508 soxfan4life  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:03pm

re: #498 Diamond Bullet

Don't you know, FCBBHO is now the center of our universe.

509 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:35pm

The DHS document number is IA-0257-09. It doesn't show up while searching the public side. The Library is restricted:

We invite all homeland security officials and academics to utilize the HSDL for research, analysis, and policy and strategy development. Library access is offered to U.S. citizens who are:

* Federal, state, tribal, and local government officials
* Members of the U.S. military
* Homeland security researchers and academics
* Security staff protecting organizations vital to U.S. infrastructure

510 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:39pm

re: #499 opinionated

This on the other hand is on Obama- although Bush/Rice would likely do the same.

US will provide the Lebanese military with unmanned aircraft

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Do they know in Washington that Hezbullah is in the Lebanese Government?


I don't think they care.
What are these UAVs going to be used for? Why do I think finding Israeli patrols and not Hizballah weapons smuggling?

511 J.S.  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:41pm

Frankly, I don't know of a time when extremist groups (right or left) weren't under some form of "observation" (from government authorities). And, especially in our current age of terrorists and radical extremists, what sane person doesn't expect this?

512 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:52pm
513 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:07:55pm

re: #505 aggieann

Not only that, but it doesn't even derive from Jonestown, but from The Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test. Don't have time to find a link right now.


Cool! New trivia. I'll look it up.

514 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:08:19pm

re: #475 medaura18586

Which side ever provided un-backed statistics?

Usually neither in open discussions like this which was my point.

515 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #507 oldschool

I read the report and it pretty much says that anyone who is against abortion, Limited federal powers is pro second amendment or has disagreements with anything on the leftists agenda is a Right Wing Nut that should have data collected on them.

This is completely false.

516 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:08:34pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

Good questions.

517 gitarfan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:08:40pm

What irritates me is the non-specific nature of the report. Media Matters could have written this. When they reported on leftist groups, they were specific; i.e. ELF, Huntingdon, ALF. This report is about "rightwing" no names. They use unamed "civil rights" groups who have a vested interest in over-reporting minority victim "crime". A report this non-specific could be done in an afternoon. Why does it come out now?

518 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #507 oldschool

Hmmm, I think I heard similar rants from the left when the Patriot Act was passed.

519 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #503 Adrenalyn

had McCain won, this would have been kept internal

that 0bama won, they will use it as propaganda

It's just a harmless report though. Would never be used as propaganda? Well, that's what SOME are saying.

520 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:09:35pm

re: #480 Charles

Just to be very clear -- I am NOT saying we should trust everything the government does. I would be the last person in the world to argue for that.

But this report is being distorted beyond recognition, by people who really should know better. Criticism is one thing, alarmism is quite another.

Charles, let's assume that the report is 100% accurate.
It still should make one's skin crawl because its focus is by definition political. A report like this creates the impression that the government is more concerned about extremism on the part of its political foes than on the part of its supporters.

521 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:09:53pm

re: #201 DaddyG

She should have cheated on her taxes. //

Doesn't need to, there is a special provision in the income tax laws that applies only to the Kennedy family trust. Very favorable, dates from the early 1950's.

522 J.S.  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:07pm

Also, btw, the real reports aren't going to be made public -- for obvious reasons. They're classified.

523 bosforus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:16pm

re: #177 Charles

Ah, I only mentioned it because yesterday I saw the thread here about it at the exact same time he was talking about it and I didn't have the time to look into it further. Thanks for the response.

524 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:25pm

The saddest thing about the outrage of the day club is that they draw more attention to the idiocy, thereby painting themselves with the crazy.

525 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:33pm

re: #134 Deseeded

I guess I'm a little disappointed that a footnote mentions that not only are "right wing extremists" racists and violent dissenters, but also those who favor a strong state and local government over a huge federal government.

Talk about painting with a broad brush. I qualify as a right wing extremist, apparently. I hope they don't mind my "socially progressive" agenda...

THAT is what all the damn fuss is about. When they publish these things about the left, the SPECIFICALLY mention lefty groups...like the envir0terrorists. They really are painting all conservatives with a broad brush.

526 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:36pm

re: #515 Charles

This is completely false.

Earlier you said something about one of the PDF's possibly being 'doctored'.
Makes me wonder how many flavors are available.
A sentence here, a tense change there, pretty soon you've altered the thing.

527 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:10:49pm
528 aggieann  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:11:37pm

re: #513 DaddyG

Cool! New trivia. I'll look it up.

Here's one interesting overview:
[Link: undercoverblackman.blogspot.com...]

529 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #489 doppelganglander

I'm coming around to thinking that, while the report was initiated over a year ago, it's being used by the Obama administration for political purposes. I'm bothered by how vague it is. No specific troublesome groups are named. It points the finger at single-issue groups, again without naming names, as if there's something sinister about being a single-issue group. Being pro-life or anti-illegal immigration are perfectly legitimate, mainstream viewpoints, yet the report treats them like fringe opinions. It explicitly ties anti-illegal immigration sentiment to racism as a way to further marginalize supporters of the rule of law. The fact that it was released just before the Tea Party protests is mighty suspicious to me, too. I'm sure there are some potentially violent right-wing fringe groups, but this report doesn't enhance my confidence in the ability of the Obama administration to distinguish the crazies from the merely pissed off. I am not going off the deep end or trying to claim persecution at all. I just see the potential for this report to be misused for political purposes.

You and I both know what the MSM will say tomorrow as well. The fact that most of the people attending these "tea parties" will be average everyday people, just making a symbolic point about the government, will mean nothing because the only ones we'll be likely to see on TV are the nutjobs. The MSM will seek out the worst of the worst and display it as the "typical" tea party attendee. This entire exercise will be used against the right as being "out of touch" and "on the fringe". A grassroots movement is ok, but it will not be portrayed as what it is....it will be distorted and mutated to fit into the model MSNBC, ABC, CBS, et al has already concluded it to be.

530 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #511 J.S.

Frankly, I don't know of a time when extremist groups (right or left) weren't under some form of "observation" (from government authorities). And, especially in our current age of terrorists and radical extremists, what sane person doesn't expect this?

I'm still not hearing an explanation of what makes an "extremist".

531 Athos  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:12:08pm

re: #522 J.S.

Also, btw, the real reports aren't going to be made public -- for obvious reasons. They're classified.

Unless they embarass a Republican President and Administration....in that case it's given to the NY Times for publication.

532 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:12:13pm

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH! A black hawk helicopter just flew past my apartment!.

//Actually I'm living in the Denver Metro Area, so yeah there are air bases and such close by.

533 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:12:33pm

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Black Helicopters only fly at night, with "whisper blades" and Chinese pilots ...

/moonbattery

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:28pm

John Hinderacker at Powerline


It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this Homeland Security report is politically motivated, and reflects the authors' political prejudices more than an objective evaluation of a significant terrorist threat. In that context, the report's conclusion seems a bit ominous:

DHS/I&A will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.

535 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:28pm

re: #359 neoconundrum

Speaking of Worldnet Daily, WTF is going on with Joe Farah?

He let's this anti-semitic drek Pat Buchanan spew his shit for as much and as long as he wants to!

What a huge BLACK SPOT on an otherwise mostly-interesting website!

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

This is very far from the only thing wrong with World Net Daily. In addition to Pat Buchanan, you can also find:

* Anti-vaccination kookery
* Creationism
* Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan
* Jerome Corsi and other people who hang around with neo-Nazis
* much much more

536 Øyvind Strømmen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:28pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake
IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Immigration, whether accepted as legal or not, is hardly an ideology or a political grouping.

537 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #530 kansas

I'm still not hearing an explanation of what makes an "extremist".

* * * *
Someone who refuses to call Fidel and Raul Castro "amigos"?

538 bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:43pm

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

Charles, let's assume that the report is 100% accurate.
It still should make one's skin crawl because its focus is by definition political. A report like this creates the impression that the government is more concerned about extremism on the part of its political foes than on the part of its supporters.

They were hardly "foes" when the assessment was begun (during the Bush administration).

First, this DHS assessment was begun more than a year ago, before Barack Obama was even nominated.

539 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:13:53pm

Devil's advocate, just curious:
When is "alarmism" required? At what point? Be as specific as possible.

540 bungie  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:14:27pm

re: #64 Desert Dog

I haven't read this whole thread, so I apologize if someone has said this already, but I think it is a political attempt to take the wind out of the sails of the tea parties. Make people afraid to sign up, etc for being lumped in with "right wing nut jobs." I think Obama and his political henchmen are threatened by the tea party movement.

541 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:14:29pm

re: #526 jwb7605

Earlier you said something about one of the PDF's possibly being 'doctored'.
Makes me wonder how many flavors are available.
A sentence here, a tense change there, pretty soon you've altered the thing.

There are I found one, downloaded it and now it won't open due to document errors.

542 kingkenrod  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:14:36pm

One of the problems with this report is that politicized local law enforcement will receive them and use them as casus belli to harass or investigate groups who lean right but are far from extremist.

The DHS report is so broad in its categorization of "rightwing" activity as to be useless unless a politicized law organization is looking for a legitimate reason to harass local groups.

543 Emerald  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:14:36pm

re: #469 buzzsawmonkey

You have just described Charles Manson.

You have also described Barack Obama's mentor Bill Ayers.

Exactly. Radicals have more in common with each other than they do the sides they supposedly represent. They thrive on chaos and destruction. The excuse they latch onto to justify their behavior is just that - an excuse. It's probably why so many diverse groups join up in these things, whether it's a "peace march" or a "tea party". The underlying justifications aren't the real issue for them. They see an opportunity in these events. By appearing in a larger group, each individual faction appears to have more support than it has in actuality. And, in the end, they ruin the original movement.

544 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:14:39pm

re: #535 Charles

This is very far from the only thing wrong with World Net Daily. In addition to Pat Buchanan, you can also find:

* Anti-vaccination kookery
* Creationism
* Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan
* Jerome Corsi and other people who hang around with neo-Nazis
* much much more

There is a reason they get the nickname "Web Nuts Daily".

545 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:15:00pm

A hat! A hat! My nirth certifikat for a tinfoil hat!
/

546 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:15:06pm

re: #539 Taqiyyotomist

Devil's advocate, just curious:
When is "alarmism" required? At what point? Be as specific as possible.

The sound waves will reach your ears long after the bullet has struck.

547 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:15:08pm

re: #538 bloodnok

Did you miss my previous comments on this matter?

548 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:15:17pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

When anybody mentions credible evidence that illegals are disproprtionatly in jail for felonies, you are painted as anti-Latino.
To even notice the pressure on medical care & our educational system is to risk being referred to as a bigot.
HUD admits to five million illegals getting sub prime loans, so you can bet that is more.
If these were blond haired Norwegians the issues woul be the same.

549 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #528 aggieann

Here's one interesting overview:
[Link: undercoverblackman.blogspot.com...]

I always assumed the phrase went back to the 60's.
Jim Jones mixture was a bit lethal.
The stuff from the 60's ... just made you think more clearly. Yeah, that's the ticket!

I don't see how proving when the phrase first appeared in the papers is relevant. I heard outdoor concert people blaring "don't drink the orange Kool-Aid" long before Jim Jones, and knew what it meant.

550 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:16:24pm

I wasted a part of my morning reading this thing and I can say that it is, at best, written very poorly and is somewhat vague. I can't wait to hear who wrote it.

The problem is that they, in an incompetent and provocative move, decided to title it, "Rightwing Extremism: ..." That, in itself, is going to sound alarms all over the place - regardless of its content - simply because Left-Wing Extremists currently dominate our government. It was named poorly.

Of course, I cannot recall the DHS putting out a flyer on identifying Socialists or Anarchists or Islamists, but maybe that's next week. Collect them all! It's a series!

551 Strike Hornet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #436 DaddyG

Good point. I remember a few years (decades) back when Xerox tried to get people to stop using the term Xeroxing and Xerox copies.

I remember as a kid I worked for Savin Copiers...Savin sold 3 times as many copy machines as Xerox yet people in offices still referred to us as "The Xerox Guys"...

Used to drive our Executives crazy LOL

552 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:16:42pm

re: #539 Taqiyyotomist

Devil's advocate, just curious:
When is "alarmism" required? At what point? Be as specific as possible.

Dunno. When "reason" is no longer valued, maybe?

553 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:16:43pm

It's actually quite ingenious if the intention is to stir it up. First,spiff up an old outline from good ole "blame Bush," basically plant the seed that single issue dissent is dangerous, then get potential dissenters arguing about the content.

554 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:17:24pm

re: #535 Charles

This is very far from the only thing wrong with World Net Daily. In addition to Pat Buchanan, you can also find:

* Anti-vaccination kookery
* Creationism
* Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan
* Jerome Corsi and other people who hang around with neo-Nazis
* much much more

Ah, sort of like Weekly World News with Bat Boy and Elvis sightings just that they try to take themselves seriously.

555 J.S.  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:17:52pm

re: #530 kansas

Well, to offer a (perhaps) somewhat oversimplified explanation of "extremism" --- I'd say any group or individual who's advocating/threatening to use violence to achieve political ends.

556 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #535 Charles

This is very far from the only thing wrong with World Net Daily. In addition to Pat Buchanan, you can also find:

* Anti-vaccination kookery
* Creationism
* Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan
* Jerome Corsi and other people who hang around with neo-Nazis
* much much more

I've noticed FreeRepublic becoming more and more batshit crazy.

557 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:19pm
558 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:26pm

re: #551 Strike Hornet

Think about all the other web search engines, or other picture manipulation programs. Just "google" it, and then we will "photoshop" the results.

/

559 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:50pm

re: #553 vagabond trader

It's actually quite ingenious if the intention is to stir it up. First,spiff up an old outline from good ole "blame Bush," basically plant the seed that single issue dissent is dangerous, then get potential dissenters arguing about the content.

Excellent point. So we've got argument, and hysteria, so the question is, what is it that we are being distracted from?

560 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:56pm

re: #541 Idle Drifter

There are I found one, downloaded it and now it won't open due to document errors.

This might be Charles' next opportunity!
Except it is more than a one-man job, especially one man constrained to a cell phone ....

Good find!
Do you have OpenOffice? I can usually open pretty much anything with that.

561 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:18:59pm

re: #535 Charles

This is very far from the only thing wrong with World Net Daily. In addition to Pat Buchanan, you can also find:

* Anti-vaccination kookery
* Creationism
* Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan
* Jerome Corsi and other people who hang around with neo-Nazis
* much much more

Very similar to what one might find if they clicked on a Craig's List Politics or Rant & Raves link. Just a lot a nuts.

562 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:19:04pm

re: #540 bungie

I haven't read this whole thread, so I apologize if someone has said this already, but I think it is a political attempt to take the wind out of the sails of the tea parties. Make people afraid to sign up, etc for being lumped in with "right wing nut jobs." I think Obama and his political henchmen are threatened by the tea party movement.

I am not sure if that was goal, but to release this document, on the day before the event....that is quite a "coincidence" if you ask me. Wait and see what the Democrat talking points are tomorrow when they "explain" these tea parties. I am guessing it'll be heavy on "Right Wing Extremists". This document was not casually released at some random point. It was a political maneuver

563 Archimedes  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #532 Idle Drifter

AAAAAAAAAAHHHH! A black hawk helicopter just flew past my apartment!.

//Actually I'm living in the Denver Metro Area, so yeah there are air bases and such close by.

LGF is sort of like an All Points Bulletin and those Apaches have to be somewhere! :~D

564 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:19:20pm

This little briefer looks to be a typical, poorly-written, needlessly vague re-hash of material already available elsewhere. Its sole purpose was to justify the salaries and expense accounts of those who prepared it.

By keeping everything as vague and ill-defined as possible, they are able to say absolutely nothing while appearing ot provide important information. IN short, an instant shred.

565 freetoken  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:19:20pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Why do they seem to always wear brown/tan shirts? That's what I want to know.

566 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:19:21pm

"I favor a strong state and local government over a huge federal government." Am I a right wing extremist?

Should I be concerned that the DHS would consider me one if I am identified at a tea party tomorrow in connection with the posted statement above?

Am I seeing "black helicopters" by expressing my concern over this report?

Some things to think about, no?

567 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:20:02pm

re: #566 ~BfromTX

Am I seeing "black helicopters" by expressing my concern over this report?

Pretty much, yes.

568 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:20:15pm

The document itself is probably a routine report on potential radical activity among many others generated by DHS. The thing that troubles me is the timing of the release and the motivation behind it.

If this weren't Tea Party week would this document even have surfaced.

Having said that the questions remains is this a "smear" by the left or a "victimization campaign" by the right or a combination of both.

As I said in an earlier post, pity the low level bureaucrats in DHS who will now get a proctological exam prior to every release of a routine document to public safety partners.

569 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:01pm

re: #557 buzzsawmonkey

Actually a study was done by someone at M.I.T. about how effective aluminum foil blocks radio waves. Short answer, it doesn't. It actually accentuates radio waves.

/bwahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

570 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:03pm

This report makes me think it was written by Penn and Teller as some sort of joke for one of their videos because the actual seriousness of the report made me laugh! I guess what's so funny is that this is an actual report paid for by tax payers to document a problem that doesn't exist. Wait, that's not funny at all.

571 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:10pm

re: #559 kansas

Hold on, let me check my bank balance.

572 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:16pm

re: #473 Taqiyyotomist

(um) Rush is screeching insanity? Waht?

Rather than going into a lot of stuff about it, how about his remarks on the pirates themselves?

He compared the pirates to American liberals and going on about entitlements. This was after he found out that Obama had the balls to do what was needed. Before that he was going on about how of course Obama would have to apologize to the pirates adn other such.

I am no particular fan of Obama's less than strong foriegn policy, but Rush is not there to make accurate analyisis. An honest man might have said on the air, "Wow, Obama surprised me, go America." Instead, he ignored it and turned it into another rant with a different spin.

It is nothing but sour grapes. Like he said "Let the games begin." Only this is not a game.

573 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #557 buzzsawmonkey

Gah! Wheels within wheels, man. We're through the looking glass here, people!
/

574 capitalist piglet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:31pm

re: #556 Alouette

I've noticed FreeRepublic becoming more and more batshit crazy.

More and more? There's been a "batshit crazy" element practically running FreeRepublic for years. I thought they were going to sell "Run, Eric, Run" t-shirts when Eric Robert Rudolph was on the lam. It's worse now?

575 MPH  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:49pm

re: #65 jwb7605


Liberal == Code Pink == loon.
Conservative == RonPaulian == loon.

The truth is somewhere between those two.

Or outside of those two...

576 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:21:57pm

re: #565 freetoken

Why do they seem to always wear brown/tan shirts? That's what I want to know.

Hope rhymes with taupe - keep on the lookout.

577 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:05pm

re: #560 jwb7605

This might be Charles' next opportunity!
Except it is more than a one-man job, especially one man constrained to a cell phone ....

Good find!
Do you have OpenOffice? I can usually open pretty much anything with that.

No, I don't and I have the file in my Recycle-bin for now I haven't permanently deleted it I should take it out. The bad file has 2000KB while the other file from wikileaks is only 984 KB.

578 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #526 jwb7605

Earlier you said something about one of the PDF's possibly being 'doctored'.
Makes me wonder how many flavors are available.
A sentence here, a tense change there, pretty soon you've altered the thing.

Has the document been verified?
Square one.

CBS has picked it up.

Homeland Security spokeswoman Sara Kuban, meanwhile, told the paper that the report is part of a series designed to "facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the U.S."

So spokesperson doesn't deny it.
Think Progress also points out that the Department of Energy released a report in 2001 entitled "Left-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat."

So is there a series of reports on a variety of domestic threats. This would imply there is.

From the Think Progress piece.

And a 2001 report from the Energy Department examined “Left-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat.”
579 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:10pm

re: #538 bloodnok

Point taken, but are you suggesting that the present government had no control or influence over a matter which was pending before it came to power? Don't be naive.

580 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:31pm

The real question that begs an answer is, was the memo written on a selectric typewriter owned by the Texas Air National Guard?

/

581 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:40pm

Actually,we are visited by helicopters fairly often during the growing season. :)

582 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:22:49pm

re: #578 jcm

Well, there you go.

583 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:23:07pm

re: #568 DaddyG


Having said that the questions remains is this a "smear" by the left or a "victimization campaign" by the right or a combination of both.


Vast unidentifiable conspiracy is the best take I've heard today.

584 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:23:20pm

re: #565 freetoken

Why do they seem to always wear brown/tan shirts? That's what I want to know.

The brown/tan is pseudo-military, but it does not always have to be brown or tan.

585 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:23:24pm

re: #498 Diamond Bullet

I'm not one of the hyperventilators, but if the assessment predates Obama's election then why is his election one of the central components of its analysis? What am I missing?

Yeah, & the Obama people are putting out scary comments about the Tea Party participants. It must be because all of these people in Izod shirts are rioting.
This is a classic diversionary tactic, "Forget Acorn,La Raza & CAIR, look at those tax protestors."

586 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:05pm

re: #583 jwb7605

Vast unidentifiable conspiracy is the best take I've heard today.

And so effective, that its leaders and footsoldiers are themselves unaware of it.

587 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:27pm

Blame Snowball.

588 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:31pm

re: #563 Archimedes

LGF is sort of like an All Points Bulletin and those Apaches have to be somewhere! :~D

So that's what that thing is buzzy outside my window below treetop level looking menacingly at me with that big gun under its nose.....

///////////

589 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:34pm

re: #562 Desert Dog

I am not sure if that was goal, but to release this document, on the day before the event....that is quite a "coincidence" if you ask me. Wait and see what the Democrat talking points are tomorrow when they "explain" these tea parties. I am guessing it'll be heavy on "Right Wing Extremists". This document was not casually released at some random point. It was a political maneuver

If that's the case then the right wing blogosphere swallowed the bait and the hook. Now it's a news item. Good work conservative bloggers, the left is leading you by the nose.

590 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:35pm

I've seen a Black Helicopter. Few years ago standing on the N side of Dad's house in small town, 7 of us there cause local power company was moving a line off the house, a black unmarked helicopter swooped from the south, and hovered looking right at us.

I figured it was the guys from an Air Base, Whiteman, about 100 miles away fucking with the civilians. Glad they didn't let loose with any ordance.

591 yochanan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #57 Charles

in the same way that commies joined the anti war movement.

592 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #578 jcm

2001 was a very, very long time ago.

593 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #566 ~BfromTX

Am I seeing "black helicopters" by expressing my concern over this report?

Don't know about you, but I'm seein' vapor trails created by the lunch I just drank.

594 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:25:11pm
595 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #588 Idle Drifter

So that's what that thing is buzzy outside my window below treetop level looking menacingly at me with that big gun under its nose.....

///////////

Mosquito- you must be from Texas.

596 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:25:42pm

re: #581 vagabond trader

Actually,we are visited by helicopters fairly often during the growing season. :)

How many cattle mutilations do you have in your area?

597 Strike Hornet  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:26:09pm

re: #483 Spare O'Lake

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON LEFT-WING EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DHS REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT EXTREMISM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Sorry for yelling.
These are not rhetorical questions.

To the Left, Left-Wing Extremism is "A Patriotic Duty/Truthful Dissent"...
Only Right-Wing Extremism is dangerous, unlawful and counter productive to them...

598 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:26:14pm

re: #589 Thanos

If that's the case then the right wing blogosphere swallowed the bait and the hook. Now it's a news item. Good work conservative bloggers, the left is leading you by the nose.

you may very well be correct ... it is what they want ... to control the msm and by any means the internet ... if they control the message ... they can do anything they want ...

599 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:26:27pm

re: #556 Alouette

I've noticed FreeRepublic becoming more and more batshit crazy.

Been that way for some long time now.

It was once interesting to read. Now it's boring, with the boredom only interrupted with periodic episodes of lunacy.

600 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #594 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody: breathe. Together.

Omigod! You're con-spiring!

That's better than everyone sweating together. Then it's just communal perspiring.

601 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:26:49pm
602 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:08pm

The last fugitive from the 1981 Brinks robbery, which left two police officers and a guard
dead, is living in Havana as a political fugitive, where she continues to call for black
separatism in the United States. Cheri Laverne Dalton, who now calls herself Nehanda
Obiodun, is a special guest of the Cuban government and receives a monthly stipend
from them equal to the amount paid a Cuban professional.

From the link about the Lefties. Wow...and we are gonna open up travel to Cuba. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

603 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:16pm

re: #595 DaddyG

Mosquito- you must be from Texas.

No, Michigan my friend.

604 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:26pm

re: #596 calcajun

None that I know of, just a few "unauthorized" herb farms, if you get my drift.

605 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:43pm

re: #589 Thanos

If that's the case then the right wing blogosphere swallowed the bait and the hook. Now it's a news item. Good work conservative bloggers, the left is leading you by the nose.

Lets see what happens tomorrow. This report was released to soften them up...the reporting on these tea parties will be the knock out blow.

606 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:52pm

re: #552 Slumbering Behemoth

The answer is "never" when the heat is being slowly turned up.
There may come a time when taking to the streets with real, palpable rage is the most reasonable response. Hell, the left does it at the drop of a friggin hat, it's ALWAYS time for Rage! Misplaced or not, uninformed or not.

Our government is very, very scared right now, and with very, very good reasons. They are scared like a guilty murderer, whose deeds are known by half the people he meets. They are terrified, and they should be.

Thing is, we should be, with the power they hold. We're the half of the country who know the fullest extent of their vile crimes. What does a terrified, guilty murderer do when people know too much?

We know too much. So much that it scares the politicians and bureaucrats. It's not what is planned. It's not who is organized. It's what is known. I don't even own a gun, or any other weapon besides dull kitchen utensils. To the politicians and beaurocrats, I am armed, because I know their foul deeds. They are not being specific in the report because they cannot be. The object of their fear is the truth, and they know what general knowledge of the truth could lead to, and has, in the past, in many failed governments, led to.

607 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:57pm

re: #596 calcajun

How many cattle mutilations do you have in your area?

That's just a screw up by a newbie. All they really want to do is communicate with the cows of Earth.

608 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:27:59pm

re: #603 Idle Drifter That works too. ;-)

609 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:01pm

re: #602 UberInfidel67

The last fugitive from the 1981 Brinks robbery, which left two police officers and a guard
dead, is living in Havana as a political fugitive, where she continues to call for black
separatism in the United States. Cheri Laverne Dalton, who now calls herself Nehanda
Obiodun, is a special guest of the Cuban government and receives a monthly stipend
from them equal to the amount paid a Cuban professional.

From the link about the Lefties. Wow...and we are gonna open up travel to Cuba. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

well maybe we can send a kidnapping team in to.....

610 lincolntf  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:05pm

I'm going to try to read the whole thing, but this caught my eye...

"Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the
economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors,
and home foreclosures...

Ummm, isn't that what CNBC has been doing for the last year? As someone else noted, it is poorly and strangely worded in many parts. Sure sounds like some political input made it's way into the text, but I'll reserve judgment until I've completed it.

611 kansas  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:13pm

re: #572 LudwigVanQuixote

Rather than going into a lot of stuff about it, how about his remarks on the pirates themselves?

He compared the pirates to American liberals and going on about entitlements. This was after he found out that Obama had the balls to do what was needed. Before that he was going on about how of course Obama would have to apologize to the pirates adn other such.

I am no particular fan of Obama's less than strong foriegn policy, but Rush is not there to make accurate analyisis. An honest man might have said on the air, "Wow, Obama surprised me, go America." Instead, he ignored it and turned it into another rant with a different spin.

It is nothing but sour grapes. Like he said "Let the games begin." Only this is not a game.

What I heard Rush say is how he thought the left would have reacted to this situation had Bush still been President. You gotta admit there would not have been any kudos from the Dems.

612 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:14pm

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

Not nearly enough; there are openings for qualified cattle mutilators.

That's an elective course at the school where they teach crop-circle making.

613 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #559 kansas

Excellent point. So we've got argument, and hysteria, so the question is, what is it that we are being distracted from?

Prepped for.

614 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #529 Desert Dog

You and I both know what the MSM will say tomorrow as well. The fact that most of the people attending these "tea parties" will be average everyday people, just making a symbolic point about the government, will mean nothing because the only ones we'll be likely to see on TV are the nutjobs. The MSM will seek out the worst of the worst and display it as the "typical" tea party attendee. This entire exercise will be used against the right as being "out of touch" and "on the fringe". A grassroots movement is ok, but it will not be portrayed as what it is....it will be distorted and mutated to fit into the model MSNBC, ABC, CBS, et al has already concluded it to be.

No doubt. I also expect the media to explicitly connect any Tea Party crackpots to this report. That's why I question the timing (to coin a phrase).

615 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:23pm

Some poll quoted by David Asman on Fox News shows 29% of Democrats would join a symbolic tea party to protest taxes!

DEMOCRATS THROWING TEA PARTY IN MONROE, LA 4:28pm EST

616 J.S.  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:40pm

re: #602 UberInfidel67

The traveling to Cuba is not for everyone -- just relatives. People with relatives in Cuba may travel to Cuba...others -- No.

617 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:28:54pm

re: #604 vagabond trader

None that I know of, just a few "unauthorized" herb farms, if you get my drift.

Ah, the sod farms with the grass you don't mow.

618 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #560 jwb7605

This might be Charles' next opportunity!
Except it is more than a one-man job, especially one man constrained to a cell phone ....

Good find!
Do you have OpenOffice? I can usually open pretty much anything with that.

You can't open any Word 2007 documents in OpenOffice under Fedora 10.

I know. I'm irritated about it.

619 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:18pm

With apologies to Kiss.

Extremist Circus

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Hello
Here I am!
Here we are, we are nuts
I've been waiting for this for many months
Get up!
Now it's time for me to take my place
The rage is showing on my face
We're crazies from the human race.

You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
And I say welcome to the show.

I've been waiting here to be your guide
So come
Come see the secrets that we hid inside
Step up!
No one leaves 'til they believe as one
The helicopters starts to hum
The tea party has just begun.

You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
And I say welcome to the show.
welcome to the show
welcome to the show
welcome to the show
The show

I've been waiting here to be your guide
So come
Come see the secrets that we hid inside
Step up!
No one leaves 'til they believe as one
The helicopters starts to hum
The tea party has just begun.

You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
You're in the ex
You're in the extremist circus
And I say welcome to the show
Welcome to the show
Welcome to the show
And I say welcome to the show

620 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:19pm

anything that comes from WND automaticly gets the 48 hour rule

621 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:22pm

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

Not nearly enough; there are openings for qualified cattle mutilators.

I heard those "mutilations" were just done by small restaurant chefs, and they only did that to be able to allow the customers to eat the things a little at a time, fresh.
//

622 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:27pm

That Buchanan article at WND is pretty impressive. Absolute depravity.

623 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:32pm

re: #578 jcm

Personally, I don't see really see why a report should be limited to "Left-Wing Extremism" or "Right-Wing Extremism". Basically, they are the same side of coin. Are Muslim fanatics Left Wing or Right Wing? Is Holocaust denial Right Wing or Left-Wing?

624 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #596 calcajun

How many cattle mutilations do you have in your area?

you call it cattle mutilations, we call it ground beef...it's what's for dinner!

625 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:30:09pm

re: #615 alegrias

Some poll quoted by David Asman on Fox News shows 29% of Democrats would join a symbolic tea party to protest taxes!

DEMOCRATS THROWING TEA PARTY IN MONROE, LA 4:28pm EST

Yes, but it will be an actual tea party, with steeped Earl Grey and little sandwiches you eat whilst your pinkie is extended.

626 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:30:20pm

re: #535 Charles

It's one stop shopping for all your conspiracy needs!

627 bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:30:27pm

re: #579 Spare O'Lake

Point taken, but are you suggesting that the present government had no control or influence over a matter which was pending before it came to power? Don't be naive.

I am suggesting that. Yes.

628 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:30:30pm

Beer-drinking centrism™ is where it's at.

629 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:30:55pm

re: #628 Ojoe

Beer-drinking centrism™ is where it's at.

Where do I sign up?

630 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:01pm

re: #538 bloodnok

They were hardly "foes" when the assessment was begun (during the Bush administration).

First, this DHS assessment was begun more than a year ago, before Barack Obama was even nominated.

Do you think that the career federal bureaucracy isn't inherently leftist in its orientation and thinking?

631 vagabond trader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:01pm

re: #624 Spider Mensch

Do they ever mutilate buffalo/bison? We've become very enamored of that particular delicacy.

632 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:02pm

Black democrat will host her own tea party in Louisiana. Many of her dem friends will attend. Nell Bradley, registered democrat and nice sounding old lady says they're going to say the pledge of allegiance, sing patriotic songs, walk to the river and throw in their tea leaves, because they're tired of high taxes.

Interviewed on phone by Fox News' David Asman @ 4:27pm EST

633 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:03pm

re: #623 MJ

Good point. Its not the wings we should worry about its the nuts.

(Bumper sticker material?)

634 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:12pm

By the way,

Your shadowy overlords at from the Zionist occupation of Remulak wish to remind you of some things.

1. There is only one real conspiracy.

2. We are sorry about the whole black helecopter thing. That was because the great leader's cousin Sheckie got this great deal on choppers after he won East Germany from Stalin's Brain in a game of five card stud (it's a long story). He was supposed to just use our normal saucer ship collectors. He and Stalin's brain have since been re-educated.

3. The cattle mutilations were to prepare hotdogs for the Great Leader's anniversary bash. NO complaining about them!

4. Your checks are in the mail.

635 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:12pm

re: #572 LudwigVanQuixote

Obama does not get poor marks for the handling of the pirate/ hostage situation.
Looks like everybody did their job well, particularly Captain Phillips & the Seal sharp shooters.

636 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:14pm

re: #612 calcajun

That's an elective course at the school where they teach crop-circle making.

Are those the ones that sort of look like Tom Selleck?

637 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:28pm
The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same Satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.

Is Buchanan equating a Nazi death camp guard to Christ? Yowza!

638 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:31pm
639 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #609 nevergiveup
Reading further...there are quite a few baddies hiding out in Cuba.

640 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:32:17pm

re: #629 Desert Dog

New political party forming, perhaps here, called "The American Block Party".

A chicken in every pot.

A keg on every block.

641 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:32:26pm

re: #625 Desert Dog

Yes, but it will be an actual tea party, with steeped Earl Grey and little sandwiches you eat whilst your pinkie is extended.

Like this?

642 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #638 buzzsawmonkey

Hop on down!

This sort of movement has been brewing for a long time

643 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:32:41pm

re: #622 Killgore Trout

That Buchanan article at WND is pretty impressive. Absolute depravity.

The man does love his Nazis.

644 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:33:06pm

Well, that does help me understand your possible answer on my second questions, but what about the first Mr. Johnson? Do you think DHS would consider me a possible right wing extremist if I believe in a strong local and state government over the federal government? just asking?

645 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:33:23pm

re: #641 Colonel Panik

If it is a real tea party it will have to start at 4:00 PM.

646 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #622 Killgore Trout

That Buchanan article at WND is pretty impressive. Absolute depravity.

Pat Buchanan has been full of depravity for quite some time. He's really a populist rather than a conservative, liberal, or anything else. He tends to follow very closely in the footsteps of Father Coughlin.

647 Spider Mensch  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #631 vagabond trader

Do they ever mutilate buffalo/bison? We've become very enamored of that particular delicacy.


I'm calling the wife right now..I got me a taste for some Mutilated Cattle Helper, it's dinner for four on a budget dontcha know! I like the chili mac version meself..Yummy!

648 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:34:15pm
649 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:34:40pm

re: #648 buzzsawmonkey
Ouch.

650 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:35:03pm

re: #324 Colonel Panik

"Bailout Escorts. Let us be your stimulus stimulate your package!"

FTFY! ;-P

651 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:35:04pm

re: #611 kansas

What I heard Rush say is how he thought the left would have reacted to this situation had Bush still been President. You gotta admit there would not have been any kudos from the Dems.

While I have no particular love for the Dems, not every Dem is a complete moonbat. It's not particularly fair to think they would have not supported a Republican president for dealing with pirates.

More to the point - even if they did act like total jerks, that does not give anyone on "our side" the right to be a jerk either.

652 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:35:47pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Is Buchanan equating a Nazi death camp guard to Christ? Yowza!

The ordeal of this American Dreyfus began 30 years ago.

It's a shot at Jews in each and every sentence.

Who do you suppose are "The True Haters"?

653 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:35:50pm

re: #638 buzzsawmonkey

Hop on down!

I tried, and just barley made it.

654 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:35:57pm
655 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #652 Opinionated

It's a shot at Jews in each and every sentence.

Who do you suppose are "The True Haters"?

Buchanan is the modern Father Coughlin, no more, no less.

656 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:36:39pm

OT
Where's the Lizard Lounge? Did I miss the announcement or something?

657 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:36:56pm

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell am I going to do with all these giant puppets, then?

Broadway?

658 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:05pm

re: #608 DaddyG

That works too. ;-)

Speaking of oversize animals. My brother and I were fishing the Detroit River when a huge carp got on our line. Fought it for a half hour until it came it to the surface bellied over and snapped the line. It had to be close 30 ins long if not larger with a strange molten black and orange/gold coloring to its scales. Being close to Great Lakes Steel we both were reminded of the slag being dumped at night having the same color. So we named it Slag Gnaws-on-Anything.

659 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:26pm

re: #656 ichef

OT
Where's the Lizard Lounge? Did I miss the announcement or something?

glitch in the system allowed banned lizards access. Charles shut it down aboyt 2 weeks ago

660 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:29pm

re: #655 Honorary Yooper

Buchanan is the modern Father Coughlin, no more, no less.


You really are spot on with that in so many ways. Not just in the hatred of Jewish people but politically as well.

661 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:30pm
662 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:38pm

I'm not at the hyperventilation point, but there is something very creepy and Reno-esque about that Napolitano woman.
Sorry, but there it is.

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:42pm

re: #656 ichef
The plug is pulled. It is no more. It has ceased to be.

664 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:43pm

re: #656 ichef

OT
Where's the Lizard Lounge? Did I miss the announcement or something?

Charles killed it due to a flaw in Parachat's security that allowed banned commentors to come into the Lounge on his dime.

665 lincolntf  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:37:45pm

Just finished reading the DHS Report. Piffle. It's not worth getting excited about.

666 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:03pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Is Buchanan equating a Nazi death camp guard to Christ? Yowza!

Pat, Jesus came to liberate--not liquidate--the Jews. FYI, you know.

667 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:33pm

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The plug is pulled. It is no more. It has ceased to be.

It has gone and met its maker, off and bought the farm.

668 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:40pm

re: #656 ichef

OT
Where's the Lizard Lounge? Did I miss the announcement or something?

Yep, closed.

669 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:43pm
670 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:43pm

re: #661 buzzsawmonkey Yup. Truly disgusting. Deserving of mockery.

671 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:38:52pm

re: #659 sattv4u2

glitch in the system allowed banned lizards access. Charles shut it down aboyt 2 weeks ago

Charles had to chaise lizards out of the lounge?

672 Perplexed  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #656 ichef

OT
Where's the Lizard Lounge? Did I miss the announcement or something?

Gone, due to abuse.

673 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:03pm

Thanks,
Guess I was busy with my capitalist endeavors and didn't get the memo.

674 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is an ex-lounge.

675 Canoe Train  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:04pm

That's it! It's Honco Time!

LOL

676 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell am I going to do with all these giant puppets, then?


Can I have your giant Michelle puppet?

677 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:28pm

re: #658 Idle Drifter

Probably a flushed goldfish. Or an escapee from a Koi pond.

678 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #646 Honorary Yooper

Pat Buchanan has been full of depravity for quite some time. He's really a populist rather than a conservative, liberal, or anything else. He tends to follow very closely in the footsteps of Father Coughlin.

I also continue to submit that the reason Buchanan is routinely held up as the "conservative" commentator on MSM shows is as a form of, if you will, right-wing minstrelry.

679 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #676 KenJen

Can I have your giant Michelle puppet?

Eww.

680 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:39:48pm

I like this nugget from the report:

Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages. They also opposed free trade agreements, arguing that these arrangements resulted in Americans losing jobs to countries such as Mexico.

The perception ?

Really?

Sooooo, that didn't happen?

681 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:17pm

re: #655 Honorary Yooper

Buchanan is the modern Father Coughlin, no more, no less.

He drips with hatred of Jews.

But somehow- and it will have to be explained to me why- he is treated as a respected political commentator even by people who themselves are Jewish and Gentiles who exhibit no such malice themselves.

682 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:17pm

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell am I going to do with all these giant puppets, then?

Get the Blue Fairy to turn them into giant Real, Live Boys?

683 J.S.  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #665 lincolntf

I agree. It reads like standard boiler-plate material...nothing in the report that's not been said before.

684 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #676 KenJen

Can I have your giant Michelle puppet?

Would a giant Obama puppet be redundant?

685 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:41pm

re: #676 KenJen

Can I have your giant Michelle puppet?

Dude, you really need to get out more...

686 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:42pm

re: #658 Idle Drifter

Speaking of oversize animals. My brother and I were fishing the Detroit River when a huge carp got on our line. Fought it for a half hour until it came it to the surface bellied over and snapped the line. It had to be close 30 ins long if not larger with a strange molten black and orange/gold coloring to its scales. Being close to Great Lakes Steel we both were reminded of the slag being dumped at night having the same color. So we named it Slag Gnaws-on-Anything.

Sounds like a Japanese Koi of the Utsurimono variety.

687 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:43pm

Just a question.

Forgetting the justification for this report, why is this warning about "terrorism" when Janet Napolitano's department issued a statement saying Islamic terrorism is "man-caused disaster"?

688 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #627 bloodnok

I am suggesting that. Yes.

Wonderful. Blame Bush - for it's completion, final format, release date and context (or lack thereof).

689 Canoe Train  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:57pm

re: #679 calcajun

Ja. Maybe if the puppet is a model of the USS Nimitz, or a Klingon.

690 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:40:58pm
691 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #672 Perplexed

Gone, due to abuse.

Abuse can make something disappear?

Uh oh.

692 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:12pm

BTW, the reports implication that returning veterans are particularly susceptible to right wing lunacy is insulting.
Using Tim McVeigh as an example is particularly repugnant.
This same crap was used against Viet Nam Vets, only the scare tactic then was "They're all crazy now."

693 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:18pm

re: #593 calcajun

:-) nice!

694 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:45pm

re: #686 Colonel Panik

Sounds like a Japanese Koi of the Utsurimono variety.

Quit your carping! /

695 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:48pm

re: #679 calcajun

Eww.


Noooo. Just needed it to light my bonfire.

696 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Is Buchanan equating a Nazi death camp guard to Christ? Yowza!

Sweet valley high.

I shudder to click on the link; who is he talking about?

697 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #588 Idle Drifter

So that's what that thing is buzzy outside my window below treetop level looking menacingly at me with that big gun under its nose.....

///////////

A giant mosquito

698 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:02pm
699 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:19pm

re: #682 Occasional Reader

Get the Blue Fairy to turn them into giant Real, Live Boys?

Another Eww.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:20pm

re: #673 ichef

Uh...you a chef? Like, can you bake a cake? Make a pie?

701 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:39pm

re: #646 Honorary Yooper

Pat Buchanan has been full of depravity for quite some time. He's really a populist rather than a conservative, liberal, or anything else. He tends to follow very closely in the footsteps of Father Coughlin.

He is an antisemite, pure & simple.

702 tryptic67  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:41pm

Ed Morrissey is not a hyperventilator. Neither is Glenn Reynolds. Neither are John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson

Their approach, their writing and their reasoning remains consistent and well-reasoned. And they are right-on about the DHS report.

703 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:42:42pm

re: #687 MJ

Just a question.

Forgetting the justification for this report, why is this warning about "terrorism" when Janet Napolitano's department issued a statement saying Islamic terrorism is "man-caused disaster"?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

704 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:13pm

re: #698 buzzsawmonkey

And how's your self, these days?

Still here. Should I count myself lucky?

705 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:33pm

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The plug is pulled. It is no more. It has ceased to be.

An ex-lounge?

706 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:37pm

re: #681 Opinionated

He drips with hatred of Jews.

But somehow- and it will have to be explained to me why- he is treated as a respected political commentator even by people who themselves are Jewish and Gentiles who exhibit no such malice themselves.

Occassional Reader put it best, Buchanan is a minstrel show for the hosts on the news shows. He lets them look good in front of their own audience.

707 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why yes I can ... they even gave me a degree in baking a cake.

708 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:52pm
709 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:43:56pm

re: #630 Son of the Black Dog

Do you think that the career federal bureaucracy isn't inherently leftist in its orientation and thinking?

I am saying the DHS was started and staffed by a Republican President. I can't vouch for the integrity or politics of everyone associated with the department, but my first sentence gives me some assurance that this report is not the result of leftist infiltrators or activists that have never been proven to be there.

710 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #696 Occasional Reader

He's talking about that elderly Nazi camp guard that we just sent back to Germany for trial.

711 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #597 Strike Hornet

To the Left, Left-Wing Extremism is "A Patriotic Duty/Truthful Dissent"...
Only Right-Wing Extremism is dangerous, unlawful and counter productive to them...

I keep thinking about these Mexican drug cartels who enter the U.S. en masse, set up shop in scores of cities and run illegal drug and immigration operations all over the south. Why no DHS report on them? Surely they constitute a far greater threat to national security than a few disgruntled soldiers.

712 ~BfromTX  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #567 Charles


Well, that does help me understand your possible answer on my second questions, but what about the first Mr. Johnson? Do you think DHS would consider me a possible right wing extremist if I believe in a strong local and state government over the federal government? Or in your opinion, Am I one for believing in that? just asking?

713 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:22pm

re: #682 Occasional Reader

Get the Blue Fairy to turn them into giant Real, Live Boys?

Might be kind of fun to watch them stagger as they try to catch their balance and then fall over.

714 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:22pm

re: #707 ichef

Why yes I can ... they even gave me a degree in baking a cake.

Oh? Just one, and not 350°?

715 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:22pm

re: #706 Honorary Yooper

Occassional Reader put it best

So what else is new?

//

716 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:26pm

re: #684 DaddyG

Would a giant Obama puppet be redundant?

It's just where you have to put your hand in order to operate him.///

717 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #692 opnion

BTW, the reports implication that returning veterans are particularly susceptible to right wing lunacy is insulting.
Using Tim McVeigh as an example is particularly repugnant.
This same crap was used against Viet Nam Vets, only the scare tactic then was "They're all crazy now."


Umm, is this the excerpt you're referring too?

DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

718 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #687 MJ
Napolitano makes it two Janets who have served in Demo administrations and qualify as man made disasters, IMO....

719 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:48pm

re: #691 CyanSnowHawk

Abuse can make something disappear?

Uh oh.

The eyesight is going huh? Didn't see the fine print did ya?

;-P

720 albusteve  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh...you a chef? Like, can you bake a cake? Make a pie?

give me the pie

721 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:00pm

re: #716 calcajun

It's just where you have to put your hand in order to operate him.///

Thats known in the business as the Soros hole.

722 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:02pm

re: #100 redshirt

Has DHS produced a similar document regarding muslims being recruited for terrorism in the US?
If not, why not?

I'd be extremely startled to learn that they haven't run a number of reports on that.

723 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:13pm
724 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:17pm
725 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:17pm

re: #687 MJ

Just a question.

Forgetting the justification for this report, why is this warning about "terrorism" when Janet Napolitano's department issued a statement saying Islamic terrorism is "man-caused disaster"?

We have a rather unflattering nickname for Jane-O down here in AZ which I will not repeat...LOL.

726 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:26pm

re: #710 Killgore Trout

He's talking about that elderly Nazi camp guard that we just sent back to Germany for trial.

I repeat: Sweet valley high. That is rabidly insane, even by Pat Buchanan standards.

727 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:33pm

re: #714 BlueCanuck

Oh? Just one, and not 350°?

With gorebull warming thats all you need ....

728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:34pm

re: #707 ichef

I really, really like cake.

If they gave degrees for eating cake... I'd be a PHd!

729 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:41pm

re: #719 jcm

The eyesight is going huh? Didn't see the fine print did ya?

;-P

It's hard to sign a release form with hairy palms, too.

730 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:44pm

re: #710 Killgore Trout

He's talking about that elderly Nazi camp guard that we just tried to sent back to Germany for trial.

FTFY.

731 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #688 Spare O'Lake

Wonderful. Blame Bush - for it's completion, final format, release date and context (or lack thereof).

I'm not blaming anyone as I don't think there's anything incendiary enough in the report to "blame" anyone with. I was merely stating that I did not think the point of the report was to target "enemies".

732 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:14pm

re: #662 tradewind

I'm not at the hyperventilation point, but there is something very creepy and Reno-esque about that Napolitano woman.
Sorry, but there it is.

Try having her as your Governor for 6 years. Style over substance, symbolism rather than action. The only she thing she did successfully was swell the numbers on the state dole and run the state budget off a cliff....she, of course, jumped off just before the entire thing came crashing down.

She was a backstabbing, down and dirty politician, but she crafted a holier than thou persona with the help of the Arizona Republic. She was the most polarizing governor we've had here in a long, long time.

733 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:26pm

re: #712 ~BfromTX

The Feds are watching you now. That little light on your computer is a camera.

734 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #725 Colonel Panik

Anything resembling tykes on trikes?
:)

735 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:30pm

re: #701 opnion

He is an antisemite, pure & simple.

Never said Buchanan wasn't an anti-semite. Father Coughlin was a big anti-semite, and had a platform to spout off anti-semitic and populist ideas. Pat Buchanan has the same platform, the same anti-semitism, and has much the same politics.

736 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:36pm

re: #720 albusteve

give me the pie

I like pie...

737 albusteve  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:38pm

re: #711 Spare O'Lake

I keep thinking about these Mexican drug cartels who enter the U.S. en masse, set up shop in scores of cities and run illegal drug and immigration operations all over the south. Why no DHS report on them? Surely they constitute a far greater threat to national security than a few disgruntled soldiers.

they are potential Donk voters....just misguided for a bit

738 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:46:39pm

re: #711 Spare O'Lake

I keep thinking about these Mexican drug cartels who enter the U.S. en masse, set up shop in scores of cities and run illegal drug and immigration operations all over the south. Why no DHS report on them? Surely they constitute a far greater threat to national security than a few disgruntled soldiers.

They have as of yet never blown up a Federal Building.

739 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:05pm

re: #603 Idle Drifter

No, Michigan my friend.

If the mosquitos are that big, then I'm guessing the UP.

740 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #707 ichef

Why yes I can ... they even gave me a degree in baking a cake.

how are you with pizza? :)

741 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:27pm

re: #723 Gus 802

DHS story is on Reuters now:

U.S. says recession fueling right-wing extremism

I'd like Reuters to explain what those creeps who were demonstrating in favor of the Oakland cop-killer a couple of weeks ago represent.

742 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:35pm

re: #734 tradewind

Anything resembling tykes on trikes?
:)

LOL. Yup.

743 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:41pm

re: #738 ArchangelMichael

But, they do cause a bunch of damage.

744 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:47:47pm

re: #732 Desert Dog

Now I see why Obama was so drawn to her...
/sarc/... but only halfway...

745 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:00pm

re: #735 Honorary Yooper

Never said Buchanan wasn't an anti-semite. Father Coughlin was a big anti-semite, and had a platform to spout off anti-semitic and populist ideas. Pat Buchanan has the same platform, the same anti-semitism, and has much the same politics.

Second that. Yooper knows his history here.

746 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:08pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

I'd like Reuters to explain what those creeps who were demonstrating in favor of the Oakland cop-killer a couple of weeks ago represent.

"Main Stream America"

CHANGE !

//

747 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:30pm

re: #738 ArchangelMichael

No, they just shoot up the Federales.

748 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:33pm

re: #738 ArchangelMichael

They have as of yet never blown up a Federal Building.

They tend to pick off private citizens, local law enforcement and federal officers one at a time or in small batches. Same slime different pond.

749 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:40pm

re: #692 opnion

BTW, the reports implication that returning veterans are particularly susceptible to right wing lunacy is insulting.
Using Tim McVeigh as an example is particularly repugnant.
This same crap was used against Viet Nam Vets, only the scare tactic then was "They're all crazy now."

Just liked they tried to hype up a report that showed returning veterans committed more violent crimes after they came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. When, in fact, it was the exact opposite.

750 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:40pm

With the closed lounge and all, what's become of the Lounge Lizard? He must be parched.

751 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:48:48pm

I have 2 cakes I really love to make ...
Pistachio Layer cake with Nougat Cream and a Pecan Mexican Chocolate cake with chocolate caramel sauce ... its mmmmmmmmm great!

752 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:18pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

I'd like Reuters to explain what those creeps who were demonstrating in favor of the Oakland cop-killer a couple of weeks ago represent.

Give them a couple of thousand years and maybe they'll report on that.

753 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:31pm

re: #750 unrealizedviewpoint

With the closed lounge and all, what's become of the Lounge Lizard? He must be parched.

unemployment insurance has been extended UFN

754 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:36pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

No justice, no peace, my brother

755 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:41pm

re: #751 ichef

I have 2 cakes I really love to make ...
Pistachio Layer cake with Nougat Cream and a Pecan Mexican Chocolate cake with chocolate caramel sauce ... its mmmmmmmmm great!

Pistachio is a particular weakness of mine....

756 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:45pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The Feds are watching you now. That little light on your computer is a camera.

Just put a little post-it over it.

757 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:51pm

re: #751 ichef

Oh. My. Goodness.

758 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:49:58pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The Feds are watching you now. That little light on your computer is a camera.

HA! I covered it with tinfoil.

759 KenJen  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:21pm

re: #750 unrealizedviewpoint

With the closed lounge and all, what's become of the Lounge Lizard? He must be parched.

He's become a pirate. Has to feed the family ya know.

760 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:26pm

re: #735 Honorary Yooper

Never said Buchanan wasn't an anti-semite. Father Coughlin was a big anti-semite, and had a platform to spout off anti-semitic and populist ideas. Pat Buchanan has the same platform, the same anti-semitism, and has much the same politics.

I didn't think that you did.

761 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:41pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The Feds are watching you now. That little light on your computer is a camera.

Which light. I have a light on my monitor, I have a blue light on a big square switch on my tower, I have this little green light that blinks, I have 5 lights on my cable modem, one blinks all the time like it's having an orgasm, there are 8 lights on my wireless router, and one light blinks all the time like it's having an orgasm with my other blinking light on the cable modem, and sometime my wireless connection light blinks when my neighbor is stealing my internet connection, which i told him he could do and then I have this light on my desk, where as it's not connected to my computer, I call it my computer light since it's on my computer desk which brings me to another story about...

762 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:43pm

re: #740 brookly red

how are you with pizza? :)

I actually make pizza at my fairs and events, it's nothing special yet, still tweaking the recipe, but sells well.

763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:43pm

re: #751 ichef

You a dude? Cause I just developed a serious "man crush" on you if you are.

764 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:48pm

A federal appeals court has granted a stay of deportation to Germany for accused Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk.


John Demjanjuk, second from right, is taken from his home in Seven Hills, Ohio by immigration agents, Tuesday.
Photo: AP
The court made the ruling shortly after the frail 89-year-old Ukraine native was removed from his suburban Cleveland home by six immigration officers using a wheelchair. He was taken away in a waiting van as family members looked on.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I certainly hope this guy is Guilty, because this is pretty good torture.

765 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:52pm
766 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:50:59pm

re: #749 Desert Dog

Just liked they tried to hype up a report that showed returning veterans committed more violent crimes after they came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. When, in fact, it was the exact opposite.


Thank you

767 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #756 unrealizedviewpoint

Just put a little post-it over it.

Curses! Foiled again!

768 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:10pm

re: #677 BlueCanuck

Probably a flushed goldfish. Or an escapee from a Koi pond.

No it was a carp, I screwed up the description. It still had the majority of its scales the dull yellow-brown color of carp that are common to the Detroit River and Lake Erie area. The molten black and dull golden/orange patch was what stood out to us. It may have been an old injury, cancer or just a genetic discoloration who knows. The fish was damn near 30 ins or so in length with a huge girth.

769 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:11pm

re: #751 ichef

I have 2 cakes I really love to make ...
Pistachio Layer cake with Nougat Cream and a Pecan Mexican Chocolate cake with chocolate caramel sauce ... its mmmmmmmmm great!

Ricotta Cheese Pie

Boston Creme Pie

end of story

770 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:19pm

re: #758 debutaunt

HA! I covered it with tinfoil.

Shiny side in or out?

SHINY SIDE IN OR OUT?!

771 JustABill  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:24pm

re: #20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Obama is switching to black UAVs as a cost-cutting measure.
/

Actually the reason for the switch is that California outlawed black helos because they cost too much to air condition. They were going to repaint them, but pink helos just aren't as scary.

772 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:26pm

I think we need to tie up all the conspiracies in neat bunch.

Your replacement nirth cirtifikat comes with a coupon for pizza and it's delivered in a black helicopter from the BPATF (Bureau of Pizza Alcohol and Firearms).

773 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:31pm
774 yochanan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #646 Honorary Yooper

Pat Buchanan has been full of depravity for quite some time. He's really a populist rather than a conservative, liberal, or anything else. He tends to follow very closely in the footsteps of Father Coughlin.

he is so close to father caughlin that he is in his shadow.

775 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:33pm

re: #702 tryptic67

Ed Morrissey is not a hyperventilator. Neither is Glenn Reynolds. Neither are John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson

Their approach, their writing and their reasoning remains consistent and well-reasoned. And they are right-on about the DHS report.

No, they are not. They're jumping on the bandwagon, but the report itself does not warrant any of this frenzied alarmism.

776 rick554  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:36pm

WHEW , and I was worried that my "SARAH PALIN ,2012" bumper sticker might get me in trouble with DHS. Now that LGF has cleared THAT up , I can breathe a tad easier. But since I AM a viet VET, does mean DHS might be watching my truck when I'm parked at the Legion? Well, at least THAT target has been taken care of. AND, we get to blame Bush at the same time!
A white , male , professional construction worker and a member of the vast Right-Wing conspiracy.
I
AM
SO
SCREWED
heh

777 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You a dude? Cause I just developed a serious "man crush" on you if you are.

thats the 2nd one today, Shirley!

778 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:46pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

Well done Walter. Nice chuckle from the fat guy to you.

Still haven't smoked.

779 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:47pm

re: #702 tryptic67

Ed Morrissey is not a hyperventilator. Neither is Glenn Reynolds. Neither are John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson

Their approach, their writing and their reasoning remains consistent and well-reasoned. And they are right-on about the DHS report.


So far, I've got no argument with your assertion.
I checked Glenn Reynolds, and followed a link to The Anchoress.
I really like this quote:

I keep saying it - and it makes a lot of my Christian friends unhappy - but in order for some things to happen, other things must be allowed to happen first. If you don’t let the crucifixion happen, you get no resurrection. Too many are forgetting it; they’re looking at all of this through thoroughly earthbound eyes, relying on utterly earthbound tactics, and forgetting the mystical and the supernatural component that is essential in all of this. Without that, faith is just ideology with a Holy Bible wrapper, and that is a road to idolatry.

It’s something we have to think about. No matter how urgently we want America to be what we have always known it to be. Sometimes things have to happen, so that other things may happen. That’s all I am saying, just now.


Word!

780 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:52pm

Interesting:

10 years later, the real story behind Columbine

They weren't goths or loners.
The two teenagers who killed 13 people and themselves at suburban Denver's Columbine High School 10 years ago next week weren't in the "Trenchcoat Mafia," disaffected videogamers who wore cowboy dusters. The killings ignited a national debate over bullying, but the record now shows Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold hadn't been bullied — in fact, they had bragged in diaries about picking on freshmen and "fags."


Their rampage put schools on alert for "enemies lists" made by troubled students, but the enemies on their list had graduated from Columbine a year earlier. Contrary to early reports, Harris and Klebold weren't on antidepressant medication and didn't target jocks, blacks or Christians, police now say, citing the killers' journals and witness accounts. That story about a student being shot in the head after she said she believed in God? Never happened, the FBI says now.


[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

781 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:51:55pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

Which light. I have a light on my monitor, I have a blue light on a big square switch on my tower, I have this little green light that blinks, I have 5 lights on my cable modem, one blinks all the time like it's having an orgasm, there are 8 lights on my wireless router, and one light blinks all the time like it's having an orgasm with my other blinking light on the cable modem, and sometime my wireless connection light blinks when my neighbor is stealing my internet connection, which i told him he could do and then I have this light on my desk, where as it's not connected to my computer, I call it my computer light since it's on my computer desk which brings me to another story about...

Maisey is on the government payroll, Walter. They are watching you extra good.

782 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:03pm

re: #768 Idle Drifter

I thought goldfish were carp.

783 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:16pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

Which light.

All of them.

784 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:18pm

re: #765 Bumr50

I guess that's too extreme for some people.

It's absolutely vile, in fact. You should be ashamed of yourself.

785 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #714 BlueCanuck

{Blue Canuck}! How nice to see you!

786 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:29pm

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

All of them are cameras. It's called system redundancy. They don't want to miss a second of watching you look at interwebs pr0n.
/

787 coloradobuff  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:46pm

While I think the report makes some valid points, and while I think it possible that militias and similar groups bent on causing harm to our country are gaining in popularity, the "extreme" focus on such groups by DHS is troubling. From the report (emphasis mine):

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts.
— (U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts.

To me, that signals a shift back to the mid-to-late 1990s, when the Clinton administration regarded white supremacists as the biggest threat to US security while Islamic radicals were operating right here in River City. Are we going back there? It appears so.

788 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:50pm
789 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #770 Occasional Reader

Shiny side in or out?

SHINY SIDE IN OR OUT?!

You bastard! I'm switching to post-it notes.

790 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #739 lurking faith

If the mosquitos are that big, then I'm guessing the UP.

No those are deer flys.

791 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:53:00pm

re: #765 Bumr50

And people caught sneaking in should be shot. Dead.
I guess that's too extreme for some people.
Screw em.'

And with that comment, I'll say buh-bye to you. Take care.

792 UberInfidel67  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:53:04pm

re: #723 Gus 802

DHS story is on Reuters now:

U.S. says recession fueling right-wing extremism


Wow, extremism huh? Ok then, I propose we all STFD and STFU and keep blowing billions upon billions of dollars (that we don't have) and trust the government (they DO know what's best). No more complaining about taxes...you are being too extreme. No more complaining about bail-outs.....you're being too extreme. No more worrying about the safety of our nation.....you are being too extreme.
Just sit back and suck it all up....lest you become too extreme.

*spit*

793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:53:16pm

re: #773 Iron Fist

Your modesty is legendary.

My modesty is my best trait.

794 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:53:32pm

re: #751 ichef

I have 2 cakes I really love to make ...
Pistachio Layer cake with Nougat Cream and a Pecan Mexican Chocolate cake with chocolate caramel sauce ... its mmmmmmmmm great!

Send the recipes to reine.de.tout.
LGF Cookbook 2 is in the works.

795 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:53:34pm

re: #765 Bumr50

I never got past your 2nd sentence. Bye.

796 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:03pm

re: #793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My modesty is my best trait.

In your case, it shows you're a realist.

/rimshot

797 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:21pm

re: #791 Charles

And with that comment, I'll say buh-bye to you. Take care.


no need for niceties after that comment!

798 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #777 sattv4u2

thats the 2nd one today, Shirley!

If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. Some of the folks here (and on at least one other conservative blog) believe I'm a female Muslim because of my screenname.

799 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:33pm

re: #765 Bumr50

And people caught sneaking in should be shot. Dead.


Yes, this does make you a member of the fringe.

800 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:50pm

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

801 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:54:54pm

re: #778 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well done Walter. Nice chuckle from the fat guy to you.

Still haven't smoked.

Good.

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:10pm

re: #765 Bumr50

"A bummer who is dumber than the fringe on the left."

A little Rogers and Hammerstein there.

803 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:11pm

re: #790 Idle Drifter

No those are deer flys.

I didn't know deer could fly.
/sorry

804 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #717 Slumbering Behemoth

Ok, substitute Mosque going Muslim Yoots in the report for veterans in & sustitute jihadists for right wing groups.
What would it be saying other that the yoots are at risk to sign on.
This is no different & returning veterans are not at risk to go extreme.

805 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:19pm

re: #5 Charles

We really are getting into black helicopter territory here.

Aren't those banned in California?
/

806 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:25pm

re: #788 buzzsawmonkey

As I recall, he escaped conviction the last time because his alibi that proved he was not Evil Camp Guard I was that he was actually torturing prisoners in another camp at the time.

Yeah I know. And I think he is guilty of enough to warrant this. I hope he is suffering. But this still is some screwed up system.

807 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:33pm

re: #773 Iron Fist

Sometimes he's haughty...

808 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:39pm

re: #775 Charles

No, they are not. They're jumping on the bandwagon, but the report itself does not warrant any of this frenzied alarmism.

A frenzied reaction may in fact become another story if not a bigger story if you consider the leftist side of the blogosphere. Another thing is that it is a bit of trap in that people will read any offense to this report as a defense of "right wing" extremism. It's a rather delicate issue so anyone in the public light should procede with caution.

809 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:47pm

re: #775 Charles

Don't forget, though.... unlike the rube Bush, this administration is so totally , wonderfully, rapturously Nuanced. We may not be reading everything there is to get there.
/only part sarc/

810 Desert Dog  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #800 Charles

Don't ban his icon, "Wish You Were Here" is my favorite Pink Floyd Album

811 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:17pm

re: #782 tradewind

I thought goldfish were carp.

They are related but this fish was a carp with a weird patch of scales. Again I screwed up on the description.

812 albusteve  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:21pm

re: #810 Desert Dog

Don't ban his icon, "Wish You Were Here" is my favorite Pink Floyd Album

813 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:29pm
814 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:39pm

re: #798 Yashmak

If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. Some of the folks here (and on at least one other conservative blog) believe I'm a female Muslim because of my screenname.

oh ,,, I thought you were related to YAKS because of your screename
Image: yak.gif

815 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:48pm

re: #694 DaddyG

Quit your carping! /


That smelt a bit fishy...

816 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #777 sattv4u2

817 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #805 itellu3times

Aren't those banned in California?
/

+1

818 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:56:59pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Hm, tough call... because of course those same comments will now get linked to by Kossacks and the like, "see! LGF posters advocate [fill in extremist nonsense here]!"

819 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:03pm

re: #765 Bumr50

I also think that it singles out veterans absolutely IS worth getting worked up over, as is Janet Napolitano herself.

It doesn't "single out" veterans. It simply states that extremist groups will look to recruit veterans for their talents.

How is it hard to misread that?

820 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:31pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Heck, why not special color em? nah..

821 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:39pm

re: #798 Yashmak

If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. Some of the folks here (and on at least one other conservative blog) believe I'm a female Muslim because of my screenname.

I thought you were Merciless because of your avatar.

822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:42pm

re: #769 sattv4u2

Ricotta Cheese Pie

Never heard of it. It good?

823 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:45pm

re: #782 tradewind

I thought goldfish were carp.

I thought they were cwackers

824 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #804 opnion

Ok, substitute Mosque going Muslim Yoots in the report for veterans in & sustitute jihadists for right wing groups.
What would it be saying other that the yoots are at risk to sign on.
This is no different & returning veterans are not at risk to go extreme.

I still find it irritating - going by the quotes I'm reading - that the assessments are so vague. What organization is supposed to be doing this recruiting? How? What are their methods and propaganda? How systematic is their recruiting (of anyone)?

This report is alarmist garbage, if the quotes are accurate and capture the general tone.

825 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason, why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Good Grief Charles..You'd think people would read the rules..And respect your house by following them.

826 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:57:51pm

re: #765 Bumr50

Arggh, you are sooo giving fuel to the writers of the report.....please do not do that.

827 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

In fact, photos have been released:

Somali pirate #1

Somali pirate #2

Somali pirate #3

NOTICE ANYTHING?!

Yes. Somali pirates are damn good-looking. I would have thought they'd be scrawnier.

828 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #771 JustABill

gmta

while I was scanning to see if anyone had posted this comment yet, you went and did it.

awful slow scrolling in IE7, ...

829 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:02pm

I've only been in a helicopter twice. One was white, the other was blue. None black. I feel I'm missing out.

830 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:06pm

re: #816 ichef

Whoops ...

831 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #785 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}. Yes I currently lurk on my days off at the moment. Still trying to get used to my schedule change.

832 n2stox  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:32pm

I guess I was put off a little bit.

Afterall, we've gotten rid of the word "terrorist" and napolitano says there are no "terrorist attacks," but rather "man-caused disasters." Of course, instead of wars, we now have "Overseas Contingency Operations." There are no more "enemy combatants," either. Thank goodness.

But, it's good to see the administration did not throw out "right-wing radical." I guess they decided to keep that one.

In reading the report, I hope Obama does take note, for it states:

"Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time."

Attributed to a "slumping economy," ok, whatever. How about the fact that here in WA State we're releasing felons out of prison years early, en masse? How about because a few weeks ago was the deadliest week in the US since 9/11? We've got gang bangers killing people in the street, then getting an 18 month sentence! Our prosecutors have stated they will no longer seek to prosecute "minor felonies" instead getting the perp to plead to lesser crimes. This is due to our Governor slashing the prosecutor office budget.

The report also states: "legislation has been proposed this year
requiring mandatory registration of all firearms in the United States."

What the? I'll tell you what...when I see the bangers from the central district in Seattle lining up to register their guns, I'll be happy to register all of mine. All are equal in front of the law, are we not? yeah, right.

833 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:38pm

re: #805 itellu3times

Aren't those banned in California?
/

LOL. Oh that's precious!

834 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:43pm
835 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never heard of it. It good?

It's got to be good, really. If you shoved riccotta cheese in garden hose, it would taste good.

836 wordsworth  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:06pm

I think LGF is going to do just fiiiiine once the Fairness Doctrine passes. It's gonna be okay.

...and guy's, don't you dare bid against me on that Obama shirt on ebay. It's mine!

837 brookly red  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:09pm

re: #762 ichef

I actually make pizza at my fairs and events, it's nothing special yet, still tweaking the recipe, but sells well.

Cool! (your opinion may be called for often)

838 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:14pm

re: #827 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Somali pirates are damn good-looking.

Well-dressed, too!

839 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:38pm

re: #26 jaunte

It's a cliché, but: "I question the timing!"

I question the cliche'!

840 TakeFive  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:46pm
First, this DHS assessment was begun more than a year ago, before Barack Obama was even nominated.


Um, Charles...

(U//LES) Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president,


Doesn't this rebutt your argument?

841 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:49pm

re: #814 sattv4u2

oh ,,, I thought you were related to YAKS because of your screename
[Link: www.geo.arizona.edu...]

Actually, a Yashmak is a particularly nasty mixed drink with rye whiskey, vermouths, pernod, angostura bitters, and sugar syrup. I cannot reccommend it. It was my fraternity nickname in college, picked at random from a Bartender's Guide.

842 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 1:59:51pm

re: #835 Walter L. Newton

It's got to be good, really. If you shoved riccotta cheese in garden hose, it would taste good.

I don't want to know what your hobbies are. //

843 itellu3times  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:00pm

Y'know, actually, when AlGore was visiting Los Angeles a few years back, he was shadowed by a silenced, jet-black helo, which I presume was secret service. Now I guess he'd be shadowed by a green predator, for his own protection, of course, and ours too!

844 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:02pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never heard of it. It good?

GGGGAAAAAWWWWWDDDDDDD.. get yeself to an Italian Specialty bakery

845 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:13pm

re: #839 Ward Cleaver

I question the cliche'!

I question the... wait, I forgot the question.

846 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #821 CyanSnowHawk

I thought you were Merciless because of your avatar.

Well, that much is true :)

847 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:18pm

re: #706 Honorary Yooper

Occassional Reader put it best, Buchanan is a minstrel show for the hosts on the news shows. He lets them look good in front of their own audience.

Take someone like Hannity, who I think is a very decent guy, he seems to have an absolute blind spot to Buchanan's vitriolic anti Semitism.

848 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:22pm

re: #804 opnion

Re-read this part again:

The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

849 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:23pm

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never heard of it. It good?

* * * *
MMMMmmmm, it's the real Italian cheese cake ingredient. With lemon. Sometimes raisins as in German-style Kaesekuchen.

850 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:24pm

re: #836 wordsworth

I think LGF is going to do just fiiiiine once the Fairness Doctrine passes. It's gonna be okay.

...and guy's, don't you dare bid against me on that Obama shirt on ebay. It's mine!

Piss off, jerk wad.

851 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #839 Ward Cleaver

I question the cliche'!

And thus, the whole thing folds in on itself into a self-referential singularity of stereotyped paranoia.

852 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:29pm

re: #818 Occasional Reader

Hm, tough call... because of course those same comments will now get linked to by Kossacks and the like, "see! LGF posters advocate [fill in extremist nonsense here]!"

So let's all go and downding those comments. Kossacks can link, but readers will also notice that this community hated the post.

853 Christopher Luebcke  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:35pm

re: #805 itellu3times

Not quite; they're like mansions, private jets, disgustingly indulgent lifestyles and infusing massive amounts of money into politics--okay for celebrities, just not for anyone else.

854 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:38pm

re: #813 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, they were a modern-day Loeb and Leopold, with their fantasies fueled by TV, movies, and vid games rather than Nietszche.

Interesting analogy.

When I was a boy, I went to the Henry Horner Camp which came out of the Deborah Boys Club in Albany Park. The baseball field was named the Bobby Franks Field. Have no idea if it's still there. That was the first time I learned about Leopold and Loeb.

855 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:40pm

re: #819 Slumbering Behemoth

It doesn't "single out" veterans. It simply states that extremist groups will look to recruit veterans for their talents.

How is it hard to misread that?

And what do they base that assertion on? I know how about the Mafia may start recruting yoots that have names that end in a vowel.

856 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:00:54pm

re: #827 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Somali pirates are damn good-looking. I would have thought they'd be scrawnier.

Denzel is such a stud..100% stud..One of my favorite actors and people.

857 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #840 TakeFive


(U//LES) Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president,

Doesn't this rebutt your argument?

That's just the MSM jumping the gun on election night 2010 coverage. /

858 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:01:02pm

re: #803 lurking faith

I didn't know deer could fly.
/sorry

I've seen a house fly!

859 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:02:02pm

re: #843 itellu3times

Y'know, actually, when AlGore was visiting Los Angeles a few years back, he was shadowed by a silenced, jet-black helo, which I presume was secret service. Now I guess he'd be shadowed by a green predator, for his own protection, of course, and ours too!

How pray tell, do you silence an operating helicopter?

860 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:02:05pm

re: #856 HoosierHoops

DENZEL!

861 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:02:07pm

re: #840 TakeFive


Doesn't this rebutt your argument?

Not if it took a year to finish. If so, it just means it took them a long time to write it. . . which is plausible considering how long it takes the govt to do anything else.

862 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:02:15pm

re: #841 Yashmak

a Yashmak is a particularly nasty mixed drink

Is it an onomatopoeiac name, based on the sound it makes when it comes "back up"?

863 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #840 TakeFive


Doesn't this rebutt your argument?

WHat a stupid question. Sure, if Charles argument was that this report was FINISHED before Obama was elected.

864 tradewind  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:05pm

re: #859 CyanSnowHawk

Kind of a muffler thingy.

865 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #862 Occasional Reader

Is it an onomatopoeiac name, based on the sound it makes when it comes "back up"?

I hadn't considered that possibility, but given my personal experience trying one. . .it's rather likely.

866 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #479 jcm

Iran: U.S. Journalist Tried Behind Closed Doors

Poor lady's been railroaded and she (and her family) knows it...the mullahs are just putting on a show trial because they know Dear Leader will or can do jack shit about it.

867 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:26pm

re: #858 Idle Drifter

I've seen a house fly!

I've seen a barn swallow!

868 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:37pm

re: #824 Dianna

I still find it irritating - going by the quotes I'm reading - that the assessments are so vague. What organization is supposed to be doing this recruiting? How? What are their methods and propaganda? How systematic is their recruiting (of anyone)?

This report is alarmist garbage, if the quotes are accurate and capture the general tone.


It is my pleasure to uipding your comment. This is bull, the alleged recruitment of veterans is some assertion with no foundation.

869 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:03:59pm

re: #160 tedzilla99

With all due respect, Michelle Malkin has a much better dissection of this report and she is not an alarmist or nutjob, so I'll go ahead and stick with her assessment, especially since she actually spoke to DHS about it. She found no specific groups named, and it appears to be a preemption to the tea parties tomorrow, as was PBO's 'everything is getting better but it won't actually get better right now' doublespeak teleprompter show today.

Malkin is flogging this story with her usual rabid zeal; it's front and center on her main page with the headline "The Obama DHS hit job on conservatives is real" in bold red type.

I'm going with the alarmist nutjob interpretation, a mantle Malkin seems all too willing to don these days.

In general, a good policy seems to be that anything appearing on her site is mean-spirited alarmist claptrap that needs to be actively avoided. Like Pam Geller, she seems to be far more concerned with histrionics and attention these days than in actual analysis.

She was a lot more interesting when she was publishing a column once a week, and putting at least several days worth of thought and research into it. Her continuous barrage of shallow, frothing-at-the-mouth spin and distortion is embarrassing and downright harmful. It really isn't appealing to see someone use the term "crap sandwich" three dozen times in one week, and who still thinks it's clever.

Even more sadly, this seems to be Hot Air's new excuse for a business model. You've gotta wonder who's bankrolling this train wreck. Is George Soros behind it?

870 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #836 wordsworth

I think LGF is going to do just fiiiiine once the Fairness Doctrine passes. It's gonna be okay.

...and guy's, don't you dare bid against me on that Obama shirt on ebay. It's mine!

Did you know you're an asshole? Well, now someone has told you, you are an asshole when you shit on the host's rug like that.

871 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #765 Bumr50

Sir, just because you posses closely-held, passionate beliefs does not make them right. Your call to violence is a disservice to all of us who are trying very hard not to look like mouth-breathing reactionary idiots. Please do not give the other side any more ammunition--there's enough out there already.

872 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:16pm

Lindsay Lohan makes mock dating service ad

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Lindsay Lohan is on the prowl again.

Which team is she on now a days?

873 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:20pm

OT
65,000 pages in our US Tax Code, 6.7 million words!

7.6 Billion hours spent complying with Tax Code.

874 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:39pm

re: #815 Golem Akbar

That smelt a bit fishy...

How would know from your perch?

875 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:40pm

re: #855 opnion

And what do they base that assertion on?

I dunno, maybe the fact that it happens. McVeigh?

876 TakeFive  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:46pm

Re: 861

Not if it took a year to finish.

How long does it take to assemble 10 pages of leftwing talking points. This is high school level complexity.

877 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:04:55pm

re: #867 jcm

I've seen a barn swallow!

So the barn swallows, but does it spit?

878 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:03pm

re: #859 CyanSnowHawk

How pray tell, do you silence an operating helicopter?

The black ones are black because the paint is a special sound and radar absorptive compound. So, you can't hear them unless they go into full military afterburner.

That's classified, so keep it to yourself.
//

879 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:26pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

I we can continue to down-ding it!

/w00t!

880 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #860 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DENZEL!

Your man-crush is really getting out of hand.

I think Denzel is very good at playing... more or less, Denzel. (Or the same character, anyway, I have no way of knowing if it's Denzel.)

881 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:32pm

re: #873 alegrias

OT
65,000 pages in our US Tax Code, 6.7 million words!

7.6 Billion hours spent complying with Tax Code.

and it all boils down to 2 words


PAY MORE

882 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:40pm

re: #868 opnion

It is my pleasure to uipding your comment. This is bull, the alleged recruitment of veterans is some assertion with no foundation.

Well, you would expect extremists (of whatever stripe) would want to recruit people who could help them with the use of weapons and tactics.

But the report just isn't helpful. I don't see what law enforcement could take from it, and I really don't see what the general public is supposed to get from it.

883 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:57pm

re: #879 Ward Cleaver

I we can continue to down-ding it!

/w00t!

And, not I.

/crap!

884 justabill  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:05:59pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Perhaps you could set up an area containing only "Last Posts" to show examples of what will get you banned. You could delete the messaage from the main thread, and replace it with a link to the message in the "Last Post" area.

885 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:03pm

re: #869 SixDegrees


I'm going with the alarmist nutjob interpretation, a mantle Malkin seems all too willing to don these days.

I still go there, hoping it'll change. I even comment there on occasion. It just seems to be getting worse though, and many of the commentors just gobble it up. . . .which is perhaps the scariest part of all.

886 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:14pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

Your man-crush is really getting out of hand.

I think Denzel is very good at playing... more or less, Denzel. (Or the same character, anyway, I have no way of knowing if it's Denzel.)

Yes, the Black Tom Cruise.

887 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:24pm

re: #878 jwb7605

The black ones are black because the paint is a special sound and radar absorptive compound. So, you can't hear them unless they go into full military afterburner.

That's classified, so keep it to yourself.
//

Plus it helps reduce reflective light when they utilize JATO.

//

888 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:28pm

re: #840 TakeFive


Doesn't this rebutt your argument?

It's not an "argument," it's something we call a FACT. No, that quote shows you that it was completed after the election. It's a fact that the report was started before Obama was nominated, and that's what I wrote.

889 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #866 talon_262

Poor lady's been railroaded and she (and her family) knows it...the mullahs are just putting on a show trial because they know Dear Leader will or can do jack shit about it.

It's not a good place to be, a pawn in this game.

890 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:41pm

re: #859 CyanSnowHawk

How pray tell, do you silence an operating helicopter?

Get a pre-publication restraining order on it.

891 kellino  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:48pm

Charles. I find myself wanting to both agree with you and disagree with you at the same time.

I share your opinion that some on the right are over-hyperventialting about this, and I'm not going to stay awake at night wondering if the DHS is monitoring me since I'm a right-winger and post on LGF.

But on the other hand that's not to day that there aren't some very interesting questions here. The report reaches some very interesting conclusions in very interesting ways. Saying that a group may be violent BECAUSE it is right-wing isn't just some paranoid right-winger obsessing over the meaning of mincing words. Is this an honest report or are there intentions to make political arguments using this report?
Many of these observations are well documented at this post at Powerline Blog and also here in National Review's corner.
We shouldn't feel threatened about this report and start fearmongering like some, but we should have some conerns about the messages that are being sent here along the way.

892 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

Piss off, jerk wad.

Heh. His wordsworth jack shit.

893 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #216 LionOfDixon

When was the last time you heard about a violent or even unruly anti-immigration rally. This is a red herring.

I'm still reading this thread, so I don't know if anyone has corrected you on this point, but there is a difference between anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration. Guess which one the neo-nazis/stormformters/extremists are.

894 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:14pm

re: #877 Honorary Yooper

So the barn swallows, but does it spit?

I've heard of a barn raising, but a barn going dow...Oh, never mind

895 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:16pm

re: #877 Honorary Yooper

So the barn swallows, but does it spit?

I won't even go into the Fishsticks / Kenye West thing going around .....

896 syndicate  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:21pm

I think Michelle Malkin has a better synopsis of this than the explanation given here at LGF. It doesn't sound like this report has been in the works for a year.

From Michellemalkin.com:

By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives. And the intent is clear. As the two spokespeople I talked with on the phone today made clear: They both pinpointed the recent “economic downturn” and the “general state of the economy” for stoking “rightwing extremism.” One of the spokespeople said he was told that the report has been in the works for a year. My b.s. detector went off the chart, and yours will, too, if you read through the entire report — which asserts with no evidence that an unquantified “resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalizations activity” is due to home foreclosures, job losses, and…the historical presidential election.

897 zombie  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:25pm

By sheer coincidence I'm in the middle of watching a long documentary about whacked-out far-right groups that sprung up in the early '90s. There is an amazing similarity to what is going on now:

Militias, Christian Reconstructionists, violent (note: violent) anti-abortion protesters, etc. etc.

It seems they originally appeared during the Bush I era, due to his whole "New World Order" thing. But when Clinton got elected in 1992, there was a total meltdown on the far right, and it's amazing to watch -- the verbiage used then is almost identical to what is being used now. The "American Taxpayers Party" of the mid-'90s seems very very close to the Tea Party movement these days.

From this documentary, you'd have thought that the "right" would have been forever ruined and marginalized by this explosion of lunacy. But no: As we now know, the Republicans got back on their feet and won two presidential elections and gained many seats in Congress at one point.

So, as embarrassing and ruinous as this meltdown on the far right may seem right now, and as unstoppable as the Obama Juggernaut may appear, don't give up hope: In 4 years or 8 years, everything could be different all over again.

898 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:36pm

Since were talking black helicopters...
The other day at a park in southern CA on the clearest of clear days, not a cloud in the sky, I heard the loudest aircraft of my life pass over head. It sounded like the Concorde minus the boom. Yet, I could not see it. It was absolutely invisible. Was it a black helicopter? Am I going mad?

899 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:07:40pm

re: #887 Gus 802

Plus it helps reduce reflective light when they utilize JATO.

//

JATO, huh? Maybe on the Mark I units; the newer ones simply fold space; it uses more spice, and has some interesting effects on the pilots, but it's a lot faster.

900 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:02pm

re: #878 jwb7605

The black ones are black because the paint is a special sound and radar absorptive compound. So, you can't hear them unless they go into full military afterburner.

That's classified, so keep it to yourself.
//

OSS-some!

901 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #872 nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan makes mock dating service ad

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Lindsay Lohan is on the prowl again.

Which team is she on now a days?

She's on the cover of one of those entertainment rags right now, and the headlines say she's broke, possibly suicidal, yadda, yadda, yadda.

902 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Good idea.

You may also want to color code those last posts that get them banned, so that those cruising through get the idea that such posts have consequences.

903 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:15pm

re: #836 wordsworth

I think LGF is going to do just fiiiiine once the Fairness Doctrine passes. It's gonna be okay.

...and guy's, don't you dare bid against me on that Obama shirt on ebay. It's mine!

Huh?

904 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:15pm

re: #892 Honorary Yooper

Heh. His wordsworth jack shit.

Oh, why cant we all get a Longfellow?

905 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #848 Slumbering Behemoth

Re-read this part again:


I got it the first time. Where are the stats? How about the same assertion that returning vets are more violent than their peers, remember that?
Turned out that the inverse was true.
Some government report that asserts that vets "may" be recruited proves nothing. Why even include it unless they think that the recruitment could have success?

906 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:20pm

re: #894 calcajun

I've heard of a barn raising, but a barn going dow...Oh, never mind

LOL (and I don't say that often)!

907 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:08:40pm

re: #892 Honorary Yooper

Heh. His wordsworth jack shit.

Fine, I think he was trying to be a jerk, you liked it. So?

908 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:04pm

re: #904 calcajun

Oh, why cant we all get a Longfellow?

Oh, so you think you're Whittier?

909 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:07pm

re: #824 Dianna

I still find it irritating - going by the quotes I'm reading - that the assessments are so vague. What organization is supposed to be doing this recruiting? How? What are their methods and propaganda? How systematic is their recruiting (of anyone)?

This report is alarmist garbage, if the quotes are accurate and capture the general tone.

I've read it and they do. If anything, I think the report ascribes more cunning to these fringe groups than they actually possess. The report, IMO, hypothesizes active recruiting plans where I'm not sure any exist. For example, it makes a generalization about extremist and anti-Semitic Internet chatter (which I have no doubt is accurate), then states:

These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs.

I don't believe there's as much planning and forethought as that statement seems to imply.

910 tackle  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:28pm

re: #726 Occasional Reader

I repeat: Sweet valley high. That is rabidly insane, even by Pat Buchanan standards.

Hey, I love Sweet Valley High! Pat's got nothin on Jessica and Liz!

911 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:34pm

re: #908 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, so you think you're Whittier?

Your comment is very aproPoe.

912 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #888 Charles

It's not an "argument," it's something we call a FACT. No, that quote shows you that it was completed aftter the election. It's a fact that the report was started before Obama was nominated.

Now I get it! It was done by GWB to discredit people who opposed his shamnesty program!

/new conspiracy theory

913 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:09:45pm

re: #873 alegrias

7.6 Billion hours spent complying with Tax Code.

Whose tax return was that?
/

914 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #911 doppelganglander

Your comment is very aproPoe.

I don't think we're Thoreau yet...

915 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #901 Ward Cleaver

She's on the cover of one of those entertainment rags right now, and the headlines say she's broke, possibly suicidal, yadda, yadda, yadda.

So she's still on the girl's team?

916 n2stox  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:11pm

re: #859 CyanSnowHawk

How pray tell, do you silence an operating helicopter?

Simple. Just flip the "whisper mode" switch.

it worked in Blue Thunder

917 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #908 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, so you think you're Whittier?

Like I give a Whitman.

918 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #898 unrealizedviewpoint

It sounded like the Concorde minus the boom. Yet, I could not see it. It was absolutely invisible.

It was this. Like, duh.

Next question?

919 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #916 n2stox

Simple. Just flip the "whisper mode" switch.

it worked in Blue Thunder

I think Airwolf had that too.

920 Colonel Panik  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:50pm

re: #859 CyanSnowHawk

How pray tell, do you silence an operating helicopter?

There are techniques to make helicopters less noisy, such as the NOTAR system.

NOTAR eliminates the standard tail rotor by forcing air though slots in the tail boom. McDonnell Douglas invented it and Boeing got the rights to the tech when they bought out MD.

921 MJ  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:10:52pm

Talk to the Times.

Q. & A. With the Editorial Page Editor

Andrew Rosenthal will be answering questions from readers this week.
E-Mail a Question

Perhaps one of you would like to write the NYT OpEd /editorial Editor and ask him why nearly 100% of their editorials and op-ed pieces are anti-Israel?


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

922 zombie  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #896 syndicate

I think Michelle Malkin has a better synopsis of this than the explanation given here at LGF. It doesn't sound like this report has been in the works for a year.

From Michellemalkin.com:

By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives. And the intent is clear. As the two spokespeople I talked with on the phone today made clear: They both pinpointed the recent “economic downturn” and the “general state of the economy” for stoking “rightwing extremism.” One of the spokespeople said he was told that the report has been in the works for a year. My b.s. detector went off the chart, and yours will, too, if you read through the entire report — which asserts with no evidence that an unquantified “resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalizations activity” is due to home foreclosures, job losses, and…the historical presidential election.

In fact, what I'm seeing is the exact opposite: The Far Left is now definitely "feeling its oats," and is taking advantage of "home foreclosures, job losses, and…the historical presidential election" to permanently recruit an entire generation into a crypto-socialist mindset.

There may indeed be maginal whackos on the far right, but the whackos on the far left now have a hand on the reins of power.

923 opnion  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

I dunno, maybe the fact that it happens. McVeigh?

You really rolled out McVeigh? Oh good one! That is a canard & McVeigh is the exception that proves the rule, that vets come home & contribute to society, or do you doubt that?

924 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:14pm

re: #898 unrealizedviewpoint

Since were talking black helicopters...
The other day at a park in southern CA on the clearest of clear days, not a cloud in the sky, I heard the loudest aircraft of my life pass over head. It sounded like the Concorde minus the boom. Yet, I could not see it. It was absolutely invisible. Was it a black helicopter? Am I going mad?

By your description it had to be some supersonic aircraft flying very high, but not breaking the sound barrier. Helicopters are noisy, but make a totally different noise. But you could still be going mad.

925 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:15pm

re: #836 wordsworth

And you will do just fine in that padded room that you will call a "FEMA Camp" to make yourself feel like a victim.

926 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #897 zombieA new, reinvigorated Republican party, without the kooks and paranoics, would be most welcomed. /But not nearly as much fun...

927 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:40pm

re: #765 Bumr50

Uh, ciao.

928 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

The Feds are watching you now. That little light on your computer is a camera.

I said "Be careful, his bowtie is really a camera"...

929 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:51pm

re: #908 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, so you think you're Whittier?

I am--and I bet that Burns you so much///

930 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:52pm

re: #915 nevergiveup

So she's still on the girl's team?

When you see the family situation she came out of (dad's a raging alcoholic, mom's a psycho), it's no wonder she's so screwed up.

931 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:11:52pm

re: #914 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't think we're Thoreau yet...

You've got to be as tough as Rimbaud to keep up with this group.

932 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:12pm
933 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:17pm

re: #896 syndicate

I think Michelle Malkin has a better synopsis of this than the explanation given here at LGF. It doesn't sound like this report has been in the works for a year.

The report has absolutely been in the works for more than a year, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are either misinformed or lying.

934 freetoken  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #869 SixDegrees

[...] a mantle Malkin seems all too willing to don these days.

I like her better when she dons the cheerleader uniform.

/retreats to den....

935 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:26pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

Your man-crush is really getting out of hand.

I think Denzel is very good at playing... more or less, Denzel. (Or the same character, anyway, I have no way of knowing if it's Denzel.)

Silly OR! Nobody says Robert Deniro only plays gangsters or stupid comedy parts... Yet is considered an American Treasure..And rightly so..But so is Denzel...Good acting chops..Handsome as hell and very well spoken.. ( see Sean Penn)
Hope today finds you well OR!

936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #929 calcajun

I am--and I bet that Burns you so much///

Are we Donne with the poetry puns yet?

937 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #919 Yashmak

I think Airwolf had that too.

Roy Scheider could kick Jan-Michael Vincent's ass.

938 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:36pm

re: #919 Yashmak

I think Airwolf had that too.

Greatest TV show ever. The pacing. The acting. The dialogue. Perfection.

939 justabill  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:37pm

re: #913 unrealizedviewpoint

Whose tax return was that?
/

Thats a running total for Obamas appointees...

940 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:43pm

re: #895 ichef

I won't even go into the Fishsticks / Kenye West thing going around .....

I saw that South Park this weekend. OMG, I was almost in tears I was laughing so hard.

941 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #930 Ward Cleaver

When you see the family situation she came out of (dad's a raging alcoholic, mom's a psycho), it's no wonder she's so screwed up.

She is screwing, so is back on the boy's team? make up your mind?
/

942 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #791 Charles

And with that comment, I'll say buh-bye to you. Take care.

Good riddance to bad rubbish...we don't need whackos like that.

943 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #897 zombie

* * * *
Thank you Zombie.

With so many laid off, out of work, 401Ks half gone, home value half gone, prospects not so good, for many Americans, unemployment up, inflation around the corner, jihadists declaring fatwas against us all over the world, things are economically much worse than 15 years ago.

Politicians and bureaucrats who make these matters worse will lose their jobs too.

944 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:12pm

re: #918 Occasional Reader

It was this. Like, duh.

Next question?

Maybe military on its way to San Diego or Area 51.

945 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are we Donne with the poetry puns yet?

Are you kidding? I intend to keep'em Cummings.

946 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #908 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, so you think you're Whittier?

I'm trying to turn over a green leaf!

947 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #933 Charles

The report has absolutely been in the works for more than a year, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are either misinformed or lying.

But has the report changed materially since the election?

948 Mithrax  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:13:51pm

re: #936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are we Donne with the poetry puns yet?

Do you like Kipling?

I dunno, I ain't ever kippled before!

949 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:10pm

re: #945 calcajun

Are you kidding? I intend to keep'em Cummings.

Speaking of, fish reproduce by spraying their Milton the eggs.

950 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #921 MJ

Talk to the Times.

Q. & A. With the Editorial Page Editor

Andrew Rosenthal will be answering questions from readers this week.
E-Mail a Question

Perhaps one of you would like to write the NYT OpEd /editorial Editor and ask him why nearly 100% of their editorials and op-ed pieces are anti-Israel?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"When you guys go out of business, is there gonna be a yard sale?"

951 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:38pm

re: #923 opnion

You really rolled out McVeigh? Oh good one! That is a canard & McVeigh is the exception that proves the rule, that vets come home & contribute to society, or do you doubt that?

I don't doubt that at all. Do you doubt that extremists will actively seek to recruit veterans into their ranks, or even send members of their group to enlist.

Happens with street gangs all the time.

BTW, McVeigh is not a "canard". He really existed, he really was a veteran, and he really did blow up a fucking building and kill people.

952 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:40pm

re: #800 Charles

I would normally delete comments like the one from "Bumr50" but I'm going to start leaving them up so there's no attempt to play the victim, minimize the reason why they were blocked, and accuse me of "banning people just for expressing an opinion."

Like they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant...

953 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:45pm

re: #945 calcajun

Are you kidding? I intend to keep'em Cummings.

Your attitude really Frosts me.

954 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #873 alegrias

OT
65,000 pages in our US Tax Code, 6.7 million words!

7.6 Billion hours spent complying with Tax Code.

And I think I'm the source of nearly half of this year's taxpayer hours.

One of my issues is SO BADLY explained by the IRS that I am relying on my state's explanation of what to do. I have begged for information, but everything the IRS offers has been either irrelevant or ambiguous.

And both of them are telling me NOT to send in some or all of the paperwork underlying what I'm doing.

I'm expecting an audit or two.

955 Mithrax  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #949 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of, fish reproduce by spraying their Milton the eggs.

A Rosetti by any other name....

956 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #945 calcajun

Are you kidding? I intend to keep'em Cummings.

that's cummings

957 tackle  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:10pm

re: #928 Spare O'Lake

I said "Be careful, his bowtie is really a camera"...

Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations last night was in D.C. The had a great segment on spies and espionage.

958 MrMisanthrope  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:11pm

re: #606 Taqiyyotomist

Pretty much sums it up... though with me you can add: Veteran, Gun Owner and libertarian (small l).

How I can be a Right Wing extremist is beyond me, but I sure as heck could be a Radical Constitutional MinarchoCapitalist...

959 jwb7605  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:28pm

re: #947 nevergiveup

But has the report changed materially since the election?

If the "black president" line is really there, then what's the word ... DUH?
If not, the conspiracy runs deeper than simple black helicopters and transparent airplanes.

960 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:29pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Is Buchanan equating a Nazi death camp guard to Christ? Yowza!

ZOMG. I don't know why I did, but I went over to WND and read the whole thing. Then I threw up in my mouth.

961 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:30pm

re: #950 Ward Cleaver

"When you guys go out of business, is there gonna be a yard sale?"

"Senor, I can I have your watch when you are dead?" - The Three Amigos

Easily, one of the best introductions/greetings in movie history

962 yochanan  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #867 jcm

I've seen a barn swallow!

i have seen a beer nut

963 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:43pm

re: #898 unrealizedviewpoint

Since were talking black helicopters...
The other day at a park in southern CA on the clearest of clear days, not a cloud in the sky, I heard the loudest aircraft of my life pass over head. It sounded like the Concorde minus the boom. Yet, I could not see it. It was absolutely invisible. Was it a black helicopter? Am I going mad?

SoCal, anywhere near Edwards or Miramar?

Fighter jet low and fast makes the awesome sound of freedom, but if your not looking in the right direction you can miss them. The sound echoes of buildings etc... that can throw off the direction of the source.

964 ichef  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #948 Mithrax

Do you like Kipling?

I dunno, I ain't ever kippled before!


I keep POSTing for your Bronte-ness ....

/that sucks

965 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:15:49pm

re: #948 Mithrax

Do you like Kipling?

I dunno, I ain't ever kippled before!

I am Nashing my teeth over that one.

966 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:02pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Yeah, but did it take any TARP money?

967 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:09pm

re: #836 wordsworth

That's your last insult at LGF. Bye now.

968 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:20pm

re: #936 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are we Donne with the poetry puns yet?

It's drivin' me Wilde.

969 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:24pm

My basement is leaking; I want to convert it to a Dryden.

970 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:25pm

re: #935 HoosierHoops

Nobody says Robert Deniro only plays gangsters or stupid comedy parts... Yet is considered an American Treasure..And rightly so..But so is Denzel...Good acting chops

DeNiro can COMPLETELY morph from one character to another... different person, different body language. Compare him from Mad Dog & Glory or Awakenings to any of his classic tough guy roles; different people. I've never seen Denzel manage that. Closest he came was maybe in Training Day, but even then, he just seemed like a coked-up version of the Standard Denzel Character.

971 tackle  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:28pm

re: #953 doppelganglander

Your attitude really Frosts me.

I can't get Plath the fact that you guys are still Pounding away.

972 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:34pm

re: #459 Emerald

Once upon a time, I stumbled into a forum, following a link for a pickle recipe of all things. The recipe discussion had odd undertones, so I looked around. Some of the threads intrigued me, so I spent some more time reading the site, following the links, etc.

To call the people on that site dangerous right-wing extremists would be the grossest understatement you'd imagine.

These nuts do exist. They openly dream of bloodshed. They look forward to an end-of-the-world scenario, because they hope masses of the "undeserving" will die. To them, the easiest way to change things is to kill off everyone they dislike, whether it's their skin color, religion, or way of life. They bragged of the crimes they committed to secure their supplies for when the day comes that they can unleash their venom.

Acknowledging that their are dangerous radicals on the right in no way trivializes the dangerous radicals on the left. Both exist. Both are dangerous. It's folly to pretend otherwise.

Hear, hear. And what is it with crazies and FOOD? I once went looking for advice on cooking dried pinto beans, and stumbled into the craziest mess of demented survivalist websites I could have imagined. "How to feed your family on dried Pinto beans while picking off the straggling mulatto Federalist killer troops".

973 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

Good Grief Charles..You'd think people would read the rules..And respect your house by following them.

The haters and jerks don't care, because they think they know better than Charles, except that most of them are as dumb as a bag of hammers...

974 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:16:46pm

re: #956 Ward Cleaver

that's cummings

He was never a capital fellow, eh.

975 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:03pm

re: #933 Charles

The report has absolutely been in the works for more than a year, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are either misinformed or lying.

Knowing how the Government and DHS works, even a 9 page brief would have taken them several months to put together and gone through dozens if not hundreds of revisions. Theres no way that since Janet Napolitano took the DHS director position and got settled in that she had this done and it was completed already, no less been "declassified". Not going to happen. Takes them months to do anything.

976 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:07pm

re: #926 Golem Akbar

A new, reinvigorated Republican party, without the kooks and paranoics, would be most welcomed. /But not nearly as much fun...

* * * *
You're assuming kooks and paranoiacs even voted for the GOP this last election, which is a mistake in my opinion.

For a good time, you're welcome to hook up with Code Pink & International ANSR, you party animal.

977 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #959 jwb7605

If the "black president" line is really there, then what's the word ... DUH?
If not, the conspiracy runs deeper than simple black helicopters and transparent airplanes.

yeah but that's not the part of the report that is apparently so contentious or perhaps not so contentious, depending on your point of view. Was the " contentious parts" materially changed?

978 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #968 Ward Cleaver

It's drivin' me Wilde.

Yet, these punster continue to Pound away....

979 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:32pm

You know, folks, whenever I'm in a quandary about something, this is where I end up, to view the discussions and see what people are thinking.

I do not always come to the same conclusions that Charles or many of the lizards do, but what I read here always makes me stop and think once, twice, sometimes three times, about whatever it is I'm trying to figure out.

In this case, I have come to a conclusion that there is indeed a lot of screeching alarm by right-leaning folks over this report that does not appear to be warranted. I also think the report is not well written and appears to me, in some places, to be a call for leftists to be unduly alarmed about right-wing activities. Both sides "lose", since this report should be serving to inform, but is instead serving only to divide.

I'm not a fan of Barack Obama or his administration, but it isn't really necessary that I be a fan. I do wish him well, and hope and pray that whatever he does will allow this country to continue to be strong and prosperous.

980 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:34pm

re: #971 tackle

I can't get Plath the fact that you guys are still Pounding away.

I Marvell at these puns. The Wordsworth a lot.

981 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #968 Ward Cleaver

It's drivin' me Wilde.

Still sowing our Oates. If you don't like go Cerf the web somewhere else.

982 Mithrax  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:17:55pm

re: #978 Guanxi88

Yet, these punster continue to Pound away....

Tennyson to one, we never stop :P

983 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:07pm

re: #978 Guanxi88

Yet, these punster continue to Pound away....

But we're on the right Plath.

984 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:15pm

re: #969 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My basement is leaking; I want to convert it to a Dryden.

Shelly you have better ways of spending your time?
(I know, this pun was aBysshemal)

985 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:35pm

re: #945 calcajun

Are you kidding? I intend to keep'em Cummings.

*Shakes speare threateningly*

986 Golem Akbar  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:44pm

re: #917 Ward Cleaver

Like I give a Whitman.


There once was a girl from Nantucket...

987 LionofDixon  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:49pm

I just went and read the whole report......it is a smear job:

This seems to paint a pretty broad brush as to veterans:

"[t]he return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

So could disgruntled, gay, one-legged Friars.....but we don't hear any mention of them....or PETA for that matter. No, this was meant to marginalize and demean conservatives and the military.

988 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:18:51pm

re: #984 Occasional Reader

Shelly you have better ways of spending your time?
(I know, this pun was aBysshemal)

No, it was truly a Marvel.

989 jcm  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #954 lurking faith

And I think I'm the source of nearly half of this year's taxpayer hours.

One of my issues is SO BADLY explained by the IRS that I am relying on my state's explanation of what to do. I have begged for information, but everything the IRS offers has been either irrelevant or ambiguous.

And both of them are telling me NOT to send in some or all of the paperwork underlying what I'm doing.

I'm expecting an audit or two.

One of my bigger deductions I found three different ways to calculate it within the IRS documentation. I included a copy of the method I used with my tax stuff.

990 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:19:16pm

Longfellow. It's just funny by itself.

991 Dianna  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #964 ichef

I keep POSTing for your Bronte-ness ....

/that sucks

Don't be Austen-tatious!

992 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:19:30pm

re: #960 Alouette

ZOMG. I don't know why I did, but I went over to WND and read the whole thing. Then I threw up in my mouth.

Then I hate to tell you,

John Demjanjuk's deportation stayed by federal court

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

993 calcajun  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #984 Occasional Reader

Shelly you have better ways of spending your time?
(I know, this pun was aBysshemal)

You came back Sasoon, I did not expect it.

994 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:07pm

re: #902 karmic_inquisitor

Good idea.

You may also want to color code those last posts that get them banned, so that those cruising through get the idea that such posts have consequences.

GMTA. I was about to mention that, and say that maybe brown and yellow are good colors for it, for the obvious reasons.

995 Yehudit  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:15pm
Obama will now benefit from a good 'unseen enemy', like Clinton benefitted from 'the vast right wing conspiracy'. She pointed out that most of the potential extremists are 'unidentified', and that will help Obama.

Exactly. That's the point of this report. That's why it is so vague. Every agency is somewhat politicized anyway, just by the nature of the beast, but very much so under BHO, who has adopted all of Bush's "imperial presidency" rulings and added his own. DHS, DOJ, Census work for him, not the nation.

Because it's vague, any pundit and petty bureaucrat can use it as they see fit, to continue smearing and delegitimizing, and probably surveilling and harrassing. The onus is now on YOU to prove you are NOT a crazy, not the other way around. That's the point.

Sorry, Charles, I really appreciate how even-handed you try to be, to make sure when you do get exercised your assessment is credible. And I agree with you about evolution and the nationalist European parties and I am glad you are taking your stand on those things. I do give Obama kudos for - finally - allowing the military to do its job in the pirate attack.

It is very difficult to decide at what point to get alarmed, without being either paranoid or in denial. Someone can always make the case that you are seeing things that aren't there, right up to the point the star chamber hearings begin. I'm 56. I've been a fair-to-middling but not doctrinaire libertarian my whole adult life, watching Dem and Pub admins come and go. Most of my friends have been nice middle class liberals. I never vilified John McCain or threatened to stay home on Nov 4th. I have never owned a gun. I think abortion and gay marriage should be legal but I respect the arguments against. I am about as far from being a conspiracy nut as it is possible to be.

But this administration disturbs me greatly. This kind of report is exactly the kind of thing they would do. It is akin to the scapegoating of the AIG execs in its attempt to fan populist flames by picking a target and smearing it. It is a leftist admin and the report is full of leftist tropes. It is an opportunistic admin and the vagueness of this report is opportunistic. it is a politicized admin and this report is highly politicized. Obama has been very clear about where he wants to take the country. Leaders with his mindset and ambitions and history don't play fair. He (taking over a private industry by fiat) and Pelosi (making retroactive bill of attainder law) and Holder (overruling his legal council on DC voting) have already shown they don't respect rule of law or the Constitution (and there are other examples). It is not far-fetched to read into this report what we are reading into it, based on their actions since Obama took office.

The danger of pushing back on any specific thing is that you can be crying wolf too often. The danger of not pushing back on any specific thing is that at some point it is too late. I trust my judgment and this report has to be "denormalized," as Ezra Levant would put it. Dissected and described for what it is. And everybody come out for your local tea party tomorrow and if you see any militia or ACORN or KKK types, get between them and the journalist trying to interview them and get him to interview you instead.

996 syndicate  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:17pm

re: #922 zombie

In fact, what I'm seeing is the exact opposite: The Far Left is now definitely "feeling its oats," and is taking advantage of "home foreclosures, job losses, and…the historical presidential election" to permanently recruit an entire generation into a crypto-socialist mindset.

There may indeed be maginal whackos on the far right, but the whackos on the far left now have a hand on the reins of power.

Yes, well put. DHS is not putting out any reports about the extreme left, another reason I don't believe the BS about this report being in the works for the last year.

And may I just take this moment say that Nancy Pelosi is the anti-christ.

Thank you.

997 alegrias  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #954 lurking faith

And I think I'm the source of nearly half of this year's taxpayer hours.

One of my issues is SO BADLY explained by the IRS that I am relying on my state's explanation of what to do. I have begged for information, but everything the IRS offers has been either irrelevant or ambiguous.

And both of them are telling me NOT to send in some or all of the paperwork underlying what I'm doing.

I'm expecting an audit or two.

* * * * *
I feel your pain, I'll wear an extra tea bag for you tomorrow! Chai or Regular?

998 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:24pm

re: #990 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Longfellow. It's just funny by itself.

Speakin' of that, whatever happened to Dirk Diggler? Did he get the stick?

/pardon the pun

999 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:30pm

re: #993 calcajun

You came back Sasoon, I did not expect it.

It's my Owen fault, I guess.

1000 nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:52pm

re: #992 Opinionated

Then I hate to tell you,

John Demjanjuk's deportation stayed by federal court

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

yeah but apparently they took out of his house screaming and his were abouts at this time are unknown. A little torture is good in this case.

1001 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:20:58pm

re: #990 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Longfellow. It's just funny by itself.

Yes, like Peter O'Toole. You don't have to do anything to achieve a comedic effect.

1002 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:21:02pm

re: #963 jcm

SoCal, anywhere near Edwards or Miramar?

Fighter jet low and fast makes the awesome sound of freedom, but if your not looking in the right direction you can miss them. The sound echoes of buildings etc... that can throw off the direction of the source.

Between the two. You're maybe right. I just couldn't spot it maybe. It coulda been Wonder-Woman who knows.

1003 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:21:40pm

re: #992 Opinionated

Then I hate to tell you,

John Demjanjuk's deportation stayed by federal court

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Too bad there was no federal court to stay the deportation (and execution) of the 29,000 people he murdered.

1004 Shug  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:21:51pm

I just received another spam e-mail from Michael Steele and the RNC asking me to send a virtual teabag to the the POTUS, the VPOTUS, Pelosi and Reid.

How about some ideas Mr Steele. Dump creationism. Stop ALL earmarks from Republicans. No more Larry Craigs preaching morality. Get back to real conservative fiscal responsibility.

tea bags.
(rolls eyes)

1005 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:22:03pm

re: #987 LionofDixon

Since when have disgruntled, gay, one-legged Friars been known for their superior combat skills? Or PETA members, for that matter?

1006 Gus  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:22:06pm

OK, check this out:

The prospect of terrorist involvement was a very real concern. In 2006, the Minneapolis Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Office completed a Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment and identified special interest, left- and right-wing groups, and lone-wolf actors. The Minnesota Patriots, a militia group, were involved in a high-profile incident in the 1990s, manufacturing Ricin for use against local law enforcement. Timothy McVey was known to have checked out the Federal building here, before eventually deciding on the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

This is from a DHS report:

I-35W Bridge Collapse and Response

Dated August 2007.

You might recognize some of the bold keywords.

1007 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:22:09pm

re: #994 Honorary Yooper

maybe brown and yellow are good colors for it, for the obvious reasons.

LOL

1008 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 2:22:39pm

re: #995 Yehudit

... But this administration dis