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I’ll take a wild guess and predict that this article at The Daily Beast by Benjamin Sarlin will bring me at least half a dozen hate mails (and just as many emails of support): Right-Wing Becklash.

In an interview, Johnson told The Daily Beast that he was extremely concerned by a lurch to the right among conservative media outlets, particularly Fox News, which he said has begun “deliberately pandering to extreme-right personalities.”

“They’ve taken a real turn to the hard right, and Glenn Beck, I think, is kind of riding that wave,” Johnson said. “I don’t know if he’s necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think it’s irresponsible. It kind of drags down the discourse to a level that I, for one, am not comfortable with.”

According to Johnson, he was most shocked by Beck’s recent recommendation of books by Cleon Skousen, a longtime poster boy for far-right conspiracy theories about a “one-world government” that are now making a comeback.

Johnson says he has received a flood of hate mail and attacks from bloggers since he began publishing posts rebuking Beck, but strong support as well, including from some of his usual critics on the left.

“In a way it’s nice and in a way it’s a little ironic, because some of the same people have been calling me every nasty name in the book for eight years,” he said.

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353 comments
1 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:09:41am
2 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:10:24am

Why does all of this remind me of the Clinton years.

3 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:10:27am

How could anyone object? Its true.

4 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:10:59am

Fox rightwing? Seems more tabloid to me.

5 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:10:59am

Buck up Charles……we still love ya!

6 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:11:22am

I have said it before, if you are being attacked by extremists on both sides then you are probably doing something right.

7 RexMundi  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:11:42am

Consider me a strong supporter in rebuking Beck as well.

8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:11:57am

Part of me wonders if the Right isn’t trying to steal from the Left’s playbook. The Left swerved into crazy-land Left territory, and look where that got them. The right is swerving into crazy-land Right territory, and… well, look where that got THEM. Some people never learn.

9 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:12:27am

re: #3 BatGuano

How could anyone object? Its true.

When your rice bowl is false, truth kicks it over.
People are always pissed when their rice bowl gets kicked over.

10 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:13:36am

Intellectual honesty is always the best policy, but it never wins points with ideologues.

Keep up the good work, Charles!

11 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:14:27am

Charles,

You are taking this moderation to extremes? /

12 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:15:30am

re: #9 jcm

Never fall in love with a politician or a TV network network; they’ll break your heart every time (although I still have a man crush on RR).

13 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:15:33am
14 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:15:37am

re: #11 DaddyG

Charles,

You are taking this moderation to extremes? /

Hang on, I don’t have the DHS alert about extremist moderates ready to leak yet!

15 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:15:39am

re: #8 thedopefishlives

Part of me wonders if the Right isn’t trying to steal from the Left’s playbook. The Left swerved into crazy-land Left territory, and look where that got them. The right is swerving into crazy-land Right territory, and… well, look where that got THEM. Some people never learn.

I’m not trying to be argumentative here and I also don’t want an extremist take over but the Left swerving into crazy land territory got them the most radical left wing president we’ve ever had.

16 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:15:43am

Rational, well-reasoned, tempered criticism. I expect the first meltdown around post 291.

17 shane  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:17:17am

Everyone should be questioned. If you can’t be questioned, you got issues. I think you’re doing fine Charles, you don’t seem to mind discourse just name calling.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:18:51am

The more things change.. the more they stay the same; the fringe on both sides of the political divide are just as nutty now as they’ve ever been. It’s just that one side will get more press than the other because the media picks its favorites (and favorite memes of the day).

FoxNews is a media outlet, and while it has generally been to the right of CNN and the other news outlets, it still runs centrist. Throwing down with Beck and the far right may get the ratings (which is what drives the news business unless you’re Air America and think that you owe them your listening time), but it also reveals just how out of touch some of those folks are and reveals the ugly underbelly of the far right (conspiracy mongering, birth certificate, trooferism, etc.)

It’s extremely offputting to someone who opposes the Administration on policy grounds, but who sees that the opposition is flirting with the loony right wing out of convenience, necessity, obligation, or naivete (it’s a poo-poo platter of choice; you pick ‘em).

Fox has been doing this for years - giving folks like Pat Buchanan a platform to air his odious views, even though he’s a raving loon and anti-Semite. There are others, and Charles has reported on this all the while.

So, for all those who give Charles grief I have this to say - you’ve been outed for your real views. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and it sucks to be in the glare.

19 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:18:54am

I never give them hell. I just tell the truth, and they think it’s hell.
~Harry Truman

20 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:19:23am

Fox just repeated every exaggeration from the DHS report last night. They never mentioned the report was leaked, but questioned it’s timing, made it sound like a attack on the vets, complained that there was no report on the left (there was) and the rest. Are they just stupid, or do they lie for impact ?
I thought the news corrected the blogs, not the reverse.

21 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:19:27am

Just do away with cable news altogether. None of them work.

22 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:19:29am

re: #16 doppelganglander

Rational, well-reasoned, tempered criticism. I expect the first meltdown around post 291.

The kooks will come out before then. :)

23 JustABill  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:20:12am

Anyone else find it curious that a DHS report about right wing extremists breaks the day before the Tea Party Rallies are scheduled across the nation.

Might be an attempt to lower turnout. Get the people that might go thinking about associating with groups the govt is watching…

24 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #20 avanti

I thought the news corrected the blogs, not the reverse.

That’s cause you’re new here.

25 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:21:21am

Most sane people in the US drive down the middle of the right lane.

(its a metaphor)

26 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:21:41am
27 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:21:52am

Don’t forget to share the mail with us…I’ll supply the popcorn.

28 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:22:01am

re: #16 doppelganglander

Rational, well-reasoned, tempered criticism. I expect the first meltdown around post 291.


Maybe Charles should have listed under tools a forms section..You could select easy to complete templates for the melt down.. The ID Meltdown, Please block my account form, Let’s kill {Fill in blank} Form…Stuff like that. This should be a full service blog…
//////

29 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:22:13am

re: #15 LGoPs

I’m not trying to be argumentative here and I also don’t want an extremist take over but the Left swerving into crazy land territory got them the most radical left wing president we’ve ever had.

That was my point. Leftists going farther left got them success. Someone on the Right got the bright idea to try the same thing. It failed miserably, because conservatives are NOT like that. And still they try!

30 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:22:48am

“Right-Wing Becklash”.

I like it.

31 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:22:49am

re: #20 avanti

Catherine Herridge on Fox, about an hour ago addressed most of those issues. I don’t remember if she mentioned whether it was leaked.

32 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:23:14am

Rodney King actually asked the right question.

33 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:23:28am

Andrew Sullivan is linking to LGF almost daily now. I guess the traffic is nice but he’s such a douchebag.

34 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #20 avanti

Fox just repeated every exaggeration from the DHS report last night. They never mentioned the report was leaked, but questioned it’s timing, made it sound like a attack on the vets, complained that there was no report on the left (there was) and the rest. Are they just stupid, or do they lie for impact ?
I thought the news corrected the blogs, not the reverse.

Oh bullshit Avanti. That is the most fucking dishonest thing I have ever seen you post. If you read blogs, you HAVE TO KNOW that blogs, many in general, this one in particular, has caught the main stream news in numerous lies.

For you to even post that is a bunch of bullshit. You don’t think I see through your stupid attempt to make Fox look bad or something.

Get off it, we trash Fox and the hosts there as much as any other main stream news source.

You dishonest fucking son of a bitch.

35 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #32 Ojoe

Rodney King actually asked the right question.

Tragic american character he is.

36 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #29 thedopefishlives

That was my point. Leftists going farther left got them success. Someone on the Right got the bright idea to try the same thing. It failed miserably, because conservatives are NOT like that. And still they try!

Yep, recall when the left called Bush a fascist, well a Fox reporter at the Boston Tea party just called the Obama administration fascist. Never dreamed I’d hear that from a news channel. live on the air.

37 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:23am

For the last time…..Glenn. Beck. is. a. buttplug.

38 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #23 JustABill

I think it was more a case of the liberal media acting in concert with the Democratic Party which was responsible for the timing of the DHS document release. The subsequent coverage by the media demonstrates that point.

39 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #15 LGoPs

I’m not trying to be argumentative here and I also don’t want an extremist take over but the Left swerving into crazy land territory got them the most radical left wing president we’ve ever had.

The legacy media’s BHO-gasm had more influence, however.

(The fact that they mostly didn’t report negatively on the radicals standing next to them helped too.)

40 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Oh bullshit Avanti. That is the most fucking dishonest thing I have ever seen you post. If you read blogs, you HAVE TO KNOW that blogs, many in general, this one in particular, has caught the main stream news in numerous lies.

For you to even post that is a bunch of bullshit. You don’t think I see through your stupid attempt to make Fox look bad or something.

Get off it, we trash Fox and the hosts there as much as any other main stream news source.

You dishonest fucking son of a bitch.

Damn, Walter don’t hold back. Let us know how you really feel./////

41 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:45am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Andrew Sullivan is linking to LGF almost daily now. I guess the traffic is nice but he’s such a douchebag.

Douchebag or teabag?

42 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #31 BatGuano

Catherine Herridge on Fox, about an hour ago addressed most of those issues. I don’t remember if she mentioned whether it was leaked.

I missed a lot of yesterday’s discussion - in meetings all day - but I don’t understand the import of whether it was leaked or not. What difference does that make?

43 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:25:53am

re: #32 Ojoe

Rodney King actually asked the right question.

The answer is no.

44 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #37 NYCHardhat

For the last time…..Glenn. Beck. is. a. buttplug.

Ahh, buttplugs have a purpose….. does Beck?

45 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:26:29am

re: #37 NYCHardhat

For the last time…..Glenn. Beck. is. a. buttplug.

Butt plugs have a function.

46 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:26:32am

re: #36 avanti

Yep, recall when the left called Bush a fascist, well a Fox reporter at the Boston Tea party just called the Obama administration fascist. Never dreamed I’d hear that from a news channel. live on the air.

Do you know who Keith Olbmermann is? Have you ever watched MSNBC?

47 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:26:44am

re: #35 Truck Monkey

Quite tragic.

Is he still alive?

If not, I suppose he and John Brown have interesting conversations.

48 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:16am

“I just wish everyone would take a step back from this extremist brink,” Johnson said. “It can’t lead anywhere good. At best, it will bring the right-wing blogosphere into disrepute, and at the worst it could lead to violence if you encourage these real nuts out there.”

Good advice Charles. Unfortunately, there are those who will ignore it or worse, who will actively encourage it. IE, the black helicopter militia types.

49 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #43 DaddyG

It is a sad answer, but, I think, not a permanent one.

BBL

50 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #42 LGoPs

Makes no difference to me!

51 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #44 jcm

Ahh, buttplugs have a purpose….. does Beck?

GMTA. 5 Seconds. :)

52 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:32am
53 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:46am

re: #44 jcm

Ahh, buttplugs have a purpose….. does Beck?

re: #45 Erik The Red

Butt plugs have a function.


Now you guys are scaring me.

54 Emerald  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:48am

re: #4 debutaunt

Fox rightwing? Seems more tabloid to me.

That’s it in a nutshell. Tabloids have a hell of a bigger audience, but you lose all your credibility attracting them.

55 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:49am

>re: #17 shane

re: #40 Erik The Red

I think this was about as hard as he could pound without getting kicked out.

56 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:52am

re: #41 Kenneth

Douchebag or teabag?

I need a shower after that. /

57 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #51 Erik The Red

GMTA. 5 Seconds. :)

ROFL!

58 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:28:26am

re: #36 avanti

Yep, recall when the left called Bush a fascist, well a Fox reporter at the Boston Tea party just called the Obama administration fascist. Never dreamed I’d hear that from a news channel. live on the air.


In what context? Quotes would be helpful.

I have a hard time believeing any reporter would just come out during a broadcast and accuse the President of being a fascist.

59 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:28:59am

Geez, I must be a rabid right-winger because I don’t see Fox News or Glenn Beck as right wing. Someone above compared Fox News to tabloid news and that’s more appropriate than right wing in my opinion. The seem to “report” a lot of stuff without checking the facts.

As for Glenn Beck, he stands near the center on a lot of issues, at least from my perspective. I just think he’s ventured into conspiracy territory in the past year and some far-right crazies have latched onto him as a voice for their discontent and/or dissent.

60 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:13am

re: #20 avanti

I thought the news corrected the blogs, not the reverse.

How could you be a lizard and possibly thing this? Have you not heard of Rather-gate?

61 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:21am

Fox news and Glenn Beck are only a symptom of a much larger problem. The real problem is that conservatives are now embracing Ron Paul’s economics and Birch Society conspiracies. It seems insane to me but it seems to be a natural instinct and it’s very widespread.

62 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Oh bullshit Avanti. That is the most fucking dishonest thing I have ever seen you post. If you read blogs, you HAVE TO KNOW that blogs, many in general, this one in particular, has caught the main stream news in numerous lies.

Not knocking this blog Walter, but many of the others do the pizzagate, cameragate thing and generally are not as interested in facts as they are in promoting a agenda.

63 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:27am

I equate Glenn Beck with Jon Stewart. A comedian that just isn’t funny.

64 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:32am

re: #49 Ojoe

It is a sad answer, but, I think, not a permanent one.

BBL

I agree. It doesn’t keep me from working on it locally.

65 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:41am

I see sensationalism everywhere. In many cases it is in the interest of pursuing stimulus money, or advertising money, or “donations to the cause.” LGF doesn’t even put the tip jar out where it can be seen [it’s under “Tools/Info”].

Sensationalism is for money-making. Rational discourse is for policy-making.

66 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:29:56am

re: #46 capitalist piglet

Do you know who Keith Olbmermann is? Have you ever watched MSNBC?

No I don’t, but I hear he’s a loon.

67 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:03am

re: #57 jcm

ROFL!

The “G” stood for Gutter. BTW

68 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:04am

re: #18 lawhawk

T

Fox has been doing this for years - giving folks like Pat Buchanan a platform to air his odious views, even though he’s a raving loon and anti-Semite. There are others, and Charles has reported on this all the while.

Excuse me but Pat Buchanan (who occasionally appears on Fox much to my disgust) is a regular on PMSNBC.

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:11am

re: #59 sleepyone


As for Glenn Beck, he stands near the center on a lot of issues, at least from my perspective.


Ha!

70 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:13am

re: #40 Erik The Red

Damn, Walter don’t hold back. Let us know how you really feel./////

I can’t, Charles would ban me.

71 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:17am

re: #58 DaddyG

In what context? Quotes would be helpful.

I have a hard time believeing any reporter would just come out during a broadcast and accuse the President of being a fascist.

DaddyG - even if it is true? Some reporters actually tell the truth - as much as it makes their brethren cringe and clench (fist and ass).

72 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:24am

re: #47 Ojoe

Quite tragic.

Is he still alive?

If not, I suppose he and John Brown have interesting conversations.

He is. He was/is alcoholic and was/is estranged from family. He never wanted the spotlight he got.

73 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:30:46am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Andrew Sullivan is linking to LGF almost daily now. I guess the traffic is nice but he’s such a douchebag.

Not a teabag? /

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:31:20am

re: #73 Catttt

You’re going to give Mandy nightmares.

75 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:31:32am

re: #66 avanti

No I don’t, but I hear he’s a loon.

Loons are entertaining, Olbermann is pure evil.

76 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:31:55am

re: #71 bolivar

DaddyG - even if it is true? Some reporters actually tell the truth - as much as it makes their brethren cringe and clench (fist and ass).

Especially if it is true. Reporters tend to use the more nuanced “Some sources say…” approach.

77 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:32:02am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

You’re going to give Mandy nightmares.

Can’t help myself - that was a gimmie.

78 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #60 CyanSnowHawk

How could you be a lizard and possibly thing this? Have you not heard of Rather-gate?

Guys, I was talking blogs in general, both on the right and left. I am well aware this blog is one of the exceptions. The crazy shit may be discussed on here, but it’s always sorted out in the end.

79 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:32:55am

re: #68 Joel

Excuse me but Pat Buchanan (who occasionally appears on Fox much to my disgust) is a regular on PMSNBC.

He’s also a regular on Hannity’s show as well.

80 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #75 NYCHardhat

Loons are entertaining, Olbermann is pure evil.

That picture they use to promote olberdouche on NBC news is contemptable and smug. The little prick - no that is part of a man……down boy - count to 10 and relax….don’t let him get your b/p up now - not worth it.

81 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:33:23am
82 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:33:23am

re: #66 avanti

No I don’t, but I hear he’s a loon.

That explains a lot. He famously called President Bush a fascist on the air, on a news channel.

I can’t watch this whole thing to point you to the spot - but here it is (check the title):

83 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:33:27am

Yawn.
They can dish it, but they can’t take it.
Where were the howls of indignation over Keith Olbermann, etc?

84 JustABill  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:08am

I have been thinking about the Tea Party and the original Tea Party. The Original was about “No Taxation without Representation”. I think one of the problems today is “No Representation without Taxation”.

We have a large fraction of the population who pays no income tax (40 some odd percent and rising). Some of those actually get more money back from the govt than they pay. This creates a large voting block that doesn’t care how high taxes are.

The linkage of voting rights to taxation will never happen in America, but its interesting to think about.

85 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:24am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I’m still curious about avanti being so sensitive to harsh language after a Navy career. You’d fucking think that he was raised in a goddamned nursery or something the way he gets a bug up his ass about Mandy’s occasional seasoning of her comments.

ROTFLMAO.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #78 avanti

The crazy shit may be discussed on here, but it’s always sorted out in the end.

It’s usually sorted out in the beginning, but has to be re-sorted after some commenters get ahold of it.

87 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:32am

re: #1 taxfreekiller

Al Gore caught in a Blizzard of facts.

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com…]

There’s gonna be some great summer skiing in July!

88 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #81 Iron Fist

Mandy is seasoned very nicely and an occasional extra spice is ok.

89 TypicalWhiteLiberal  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:46am

Part of me wonders if the Right isn’t trying to steal from the Left’s playbook. The Left swerved into crazy-land Left territory, and look where that got them. The right is swerving into crazy-land Right territory, and… well, look where that got THEM. Some people never learn.

There’s a difference here, though. President Bush’s policies in Iraq visibly hurt the nation’s economy without any immediate visible return (even if there will be longer term benefits). The whole “is waterboarding torture?” was and remains transparently intellectually dishonest no matter where you fall on the morality of torturing non-uniformed combatants. Wholesale domestic Internet wiretapping is an out-and-out violation of the spirit of the Fourth Amendment - both in terms of how most people interpret it and in terms of “reasonable expectation of privacy” as laid out in Katz v. United States.

Every Johnny Q. Public can understand these three basic items. Then into the rings steps a messianic figure for the Left. It was a perfect storm.

No matter where you fall on the soundness of Obama’s domestic and foreign policies, it is abundantly clear that the danger in them lies strictly in the longterm by offloading problems to a distant future that will somehow cope with the massive debt we generate today. While Obama cynically fails to correct the more useful bits of Bush’s intellectual dishonesty, he’s skillfully avoided generating new forms of it (at least the type that would garner mass media coverage). As long as he continues to successfully manage his image in the short term, and the consequences are at least eight years out (likely true), it’s highly unlikely that the Republican party will have sufficient popular support to recoup the way the Left did even if they manage to find their own messianic figure.

Add to this a fundamental social values fracture between the financially/traditionally conservative and religious conservatives, and it seems likely to be a decade, at least, before we’ll see conservatism regain its former station in American politics.

The question is - will there be much of an America left when we do so?

90 Utah Chris  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:34:51am

Did this yoyo ever think of turning the channel if he didn’t like what he was hearing? If Glenn Beck is so God awful to him, then he can do the same as anyone else and simply switch to his next most favorite channel, like Disney and Friends. If Foxnews has truly gone off the deep end as he describes, then the ratings will sort that out as viewers opt to watch or not. Let the free market reign here folks! What’s the big deal?

91 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:35:08am

re: #59 sleepyone

Geez, I must be a rabid right-winger because I don’t see Fox News or Glenn Beck as right wing. Someone above compared Fox News to tabloid news and that’s more appropriate than right wing in my opinion. The seem to “report” a lot of stuff without checking the facts.

As for Glenn Beck, he stands near the center on a lot of issues, at least from my perspective. I just think he’s ventured into conspiracy territory in the past year and some far-right crazies have latched onto him as a voice for their discontent and/or dissent.

The crazies have latched on to him because he has invited them in. He’s a nut case. You are watching a compulsive obsessive (by his own admission) melting down, live, on TV and the radio on a daily basis.

In the past, people like Glenn would be hospitalized for acting the way he does, but now a days, it is our reality show, side show, freak show entertainment mentality that drives us to accept him as some sort of “news person” and “entertainer.”

He is neither, he is a unstable person that it appears that a lot of people enjoy watching him act like a fucking nut case.

This is not healthy for our country.

92 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:35:16am

OT:

Nasa and Colbert have reached a compromise.

They have named a new piece of equipment after the man that won the contest to name the new module for the ISS.

Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill (or, in acronym form, COLBERT).

93 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:35:23am

re: #82 capitalist piglet

That explains a lot. He famously called President Bush a fascist on the air, on a news channel.

I can’t watch this whole thing to point you to the spot - but here it is (check the title):

Then had the nerve to interview Howard Dean and say that calling Obama or any sitting POTUS a fascist was wrong. He sucks. I wish he would go back to Sportscenter.

94 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I’m still curious about avanti being so sensitive to harsh language after a Navy career. You’d fucking think that he was raised in a goddamned nursery or something the way he gets a bug up his ass about Mandy’s occasional seasoning of her comments.

Perhaps I was wrong about Avanti being an Admiral…He was a Navy Chaplin!

/S

95 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:35:52am

re: #84 JustABill

I have been thinking about the Tea Party and the original Tea Party. The Original was about “No Taxation without Representation”. I think one of the problems today is “No Representation without Taxation”.

We have a large fraction of the population who pays no income tax (40 some odd percent and rising). Some of those actually get more money back from the govt than they pay. This creates a large voting block that doesn’t care how high taxes are.

The linkage of voting rights to taxation will never happen in America, but its interesting to think about.

You’ll probably be interested in this article from Ari Fleischer at the Wall Street Journal: Everyone Should Pay Income Taxes

96 JustABill  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:36:41am

re: #60 CyanSnowHawk

or the photo shopped Iranian Missile Launch, or added smoke to Palestinian cities, et all…

97 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:37:17am

re: #62 avanti

Not knocking this blog Walter, but many of the others do the pizzagate, cameragate thing and generally are not as interested in facts as they are in promoting a agenda.


Oh crap! Is that the best you got? Hit back with gusto.. The popcorn is done and the soda is cold..

98 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:37:24am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I’m still curious about avanti being so sensitive to harsh language after a Navy career. You’d fucking think that he was raised in a goddamned nursery or something the way he gets a bug up his ass about Mandy’s occasional seasoning of her comments.

Avanti was in the ships band, he played glockenspiel. (Can anyone here pick up the contemporary reference in that slam?)

99 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #90 Utah Chris Not to worry. Most Lizards are very good at expressing their opinions but I’ve not seen them advocate censorship.

Brother Beck is safe to broadcast but he will hear from the Lizards when he takes up extreme positions or does sensationalist stories.

100 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:38:28am

re: #90 Utah Chris

Non-conservatives think Fox News speaks for conservatives.
When Fox News goes off the deep end, they tar us by association.

Are you really so naive that you don’t see that?

101 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #90 Utah Chris
Uh, to whom are you referring when you talk about “this yoyo”?

102 Daria Emmons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:38:57am

The reality is that the DHS report was unsubstantiated, did not define what “right wing” was, and based upon conjecture. It provided absolutely no law enforcement benefit in the slightest, yet it was conveniently covered in the mainstream media outlets. I understand the report was “leaked,” but then so many documents have been “leaked” on purpose.

I do not understand why thinking people cannot believe that a) the DHS report was useless garbage; and b) it will likely not lead to increased government surveillance of conservatives, but is designed to make conservatives seem like fringe “right wingers” in the press.

If the report was to be any good, it needed to first define “right wing,” and then lay out specific examples of the threats that are expected. It did none of that. It thus is not “loony” to take issue with the DHS report.

And I know the report was started under Bush, but the report contained within it information very specific to Obama’s election. We do not know what Bush originally authorized, but the end result is clear to read on wikileaks.

Is this the end of the world? Is this a story which will have legs on it beyond one news cycle? Probably not. But still, it is not good.

103 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:39:06am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I’m still curious about avanti being so sensitive to harsh language after a Navy career. You’d fucking think that he was raised in a goddamned nursery or something the way he gets a bug up his ass about Mandy’s occasional seasoning of her comments.

I never objected to her language. i.e. I can use the words bitch or worse, but to call a lady one would be different, are we clear now ? Mandy and I are fine now, so let’s drop it.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #15 LGoPs

I’m not trying to be argumentative here and I also don’t want an extremist take over but the Left swerving into crazy land territory got them the most radical left wing president we’ve ever had.


So I ask—do you really want the most radical right wing president we’ve ever had? If we challenge ourselves to a national game of chicken, we’re all going to end up getting squished. Or getting whiplash, or something.

105 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:39:26am
106 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #45 Erik The Red

Butt plugs have a function.

I didn’t know there was such a thing as a butt plug. Can I find one on eBay? :)

107 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:39:36am

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

OT:

Nasa and Colbert have reached a compromise.

They have named a new piece of equipment after the man that won the contest to name the new module for the ISS.

Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill (or, in acronym form, COLBERT).

This is nicer to him than their earlier suggestion to name the toilet after him.
The module is named “Tranquility”.

108 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Avanti was in the ships band, he played glockenspiel. (Can anyone here pick up the contemporary reference in that slam?)

Nah, but it might put a whole new spin on the Navy song “Anchor’s Away”


/S

109 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:21am

re: #81 Iron Fist

I’m still curious about avanti being so sensitive to harsh language after a Navy career. You’d fucking think that he was raised in a goddamned nursery or something the way he gets a bug up his ass about Mandy’s occasional seasoning of her comments.

Where is Richard Marcinko when you need him?

110 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:23am

re: #103 avanti

I never objected to her language. i.e. I can use the words bitch or worse, but to call a lady one would be different, are we clear now ? Mandy and I are fine now, so let’s drop it.

Sure, you little pansy ass.

111 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:32am

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Dr. Evil?

112 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:49am

re: #93 NYCHardhat

Then had the nerve to interview Howard Dean and say that calling Obama or any sitting POTUS a fascist was wrong. He sucks. I wish he would go back to Sportscenter.

Then he’s a idiot, and a dangerous one.

113 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #89 TypicalWhiteLiberal
How exactly did President Bush’s policies vis a vis Iraq visibly hurt the economy?

You lost me with some of your assumptions.

114 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:53am

re: #105 NYCHardhat

Who needs a laugh?

I’d still hit that.

115 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:40:53am

re: #84 JustABill

I have been thinking about the Tea Party and the original Tea Party. The Original was about “No Taxation without Representation”. I think one of the problems today is “No Representation without Taxation”.

We have a large fraction of the population who pays no income tax (40 some odd percent and rising). Some of those actually get more money back from the govt than they pay. This creates a large voting block that doesn’t care how high taxes are.


Its not even that they don’t care how high taxes are, they don’t even KNOW how high they are. If you’re not paying taxes at all, you’re completely insulated from their impact.

Its pretty hard to concern yourself about how the gov’t is spending your money, when in fact, its not your money they’re spending.

Being glib another problem is “No representation without compensation”, ie good old-fashioned bribery.

Earmarks (ie I won’t vote for your bill without a legal bribe to my consitutents) are another part of this, making it virtually impossible for the Federal Gov’t to spend ANY large amount of money without guaranteed built-in waste.

116 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #82 capitalist piglet

That gentleman is nutty as a fruitcake. Queue the Twilight Zone theme.

117 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:12am

re: #79 lawhawk

He’s also a regular on Hannity’s show as well.

He is a guest a lot on Hannity (much to my disgust) but is a regular on PMSNBC (Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and occasionally David Shuster) because he
1. hates Republicans
2. hates the Bush family
3. supported an Islamofascist victory in Iraq
4. hates so called ‘neocons’ and is always good for a ‘neocon’ bashing
5. hates Israel and Jews.

You know that.

118 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:18am

Anyone else finding it hilarious that the MSM is using the term “teabag” with reckless abandon? I was laughing so hard I was crying.

Then again, video game term of teabag is WAY different than media meme term of teabag…

119 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:28am

re: #106 Cygnus

I didn’t know there was such a thing as a butt plug. Can I find one on eBay? :)

I am sure you can. LOL. Just google it. :)

120 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:28am

re: #114 Truck Monkey

I’d still hit that.

Ohhh!

121 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #79 lawhawk

He’s also a regular on Hannity’s show as well.

Which totally sucks because usually I enjoy Hannity.

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:38am

re: #111 Dar ul Harb

Dr. Evil?

Nope. The book “Cryptonomicon.”

123 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:48am

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

OT:

Nasa and Colbert have reached a compromise.

They have named a new piece of equipment after the man that won the contest to name the new module for the ISS.

Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill (or, in acronym form, COLBERT).

I would prefer if the Combined Operational Loaded Bowel Excrement Receptacle Technology be named after Colbert.

124 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:41:51am

re: #105 NYCHardhat
Well I could use a laugh - who the hell is that?!

125 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:26am

re: #117 Joel

He is a guest a lot on Hannity (much to my disgust) but is a regular on PMSNBC (Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and occasionally David Shuster) because he
1. hates Republicans
2. hates the Bush family
3. supported an Islamofascist victory in Iraq
4. hates so called ‘neocons’ and is always good for a ‘neocon’ bashing
5. hates Israel and Jews.

You know that.

Who is Pat Buchanan?

126 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #124 realwest

Well I could use a laugh - who the hell is that?!


Britnney Spears

127 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #93 NYCHardhat

Then had the nerve to interview Howard Dean and say that calling Obama or any sitting POTUS a fascist was wrong. He sucks. I wish he would go back to Sportscenter.

I thought Keith got fired from ESPN..A very ugly split if I recall

128 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #124 realwest

Well I could use a laugh - who the hell is that?!

Britinny Spears (sp?)

129 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Avanti was in the ships band, he played glockenspiel. (Can anyone here pick up the contemporary reference in that slam?)

Lawrence Waterhouse in Cryptonomicon. At least that’s what I think of.

130 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:47am

re: #124 realwest

Well I could use a laugh - who the hell is that?!

Brittany Spears with no mop top.

131 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:42:52am

Like it or not the “Tea Party’s” are going down in history as to the turning point of the Country not being taken over by marxists.

132 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:00am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

So I ask—do you really want the most radical right wing president we’ve ever had? If we challenge ourselves to a national game of chicken, we’re all going to end up getting squished. Or getting whiplash, or something.

No, of course not, which is why I qualified what I said.

133 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:11am

re: #127 HoosierHoops

I thought Keith got fired from ESPN..A very ugly split if I recall

That makes sense. He sucks at life.

134 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #106 Cygnus

I didn’t know there was such a thing as a butt plug. Can I find one on eBay? :)

You can find them in your local market right next to the teabags. /

135 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:36am

re: #90 Utah Chris

BTW, precisely whom are you referring to when you say

Did this yoyo ever think of turning the channel if he didn’t like what he was hearing? [emphasis mine]
136 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:40am

re: #126 Big Steve

Britnney Spears

Paris Hilton…

137 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #115 looking closely

If you’re not paying taxes at all, you’re completely insulated from their impact.

Only intellectually, of course. As Fred thompson said at their convention last summer, taxes don’t hurt the poor, unless you want to work or buy from a company.

138 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #129 Catttt

Lawrence Waterhouse in Cryptonomicon. At least that’s what I think of.

Yep, I just started reading it, up to around page 118, still don’t know what it is about, but it’s interesting (no, don’t tell me nothing).

139 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:02am

re: #123 Kenneth

I would prefer if the Combined Operational Loaded Bowel Excrement Receptacle Technology be named after Colbert.

Astronauts would be saying…”Hey, I need to go take a Colbert”……

140 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:20am

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

The crazies have latched on to him because he has invited them in. He’s a nut case. You are watching a compulsive obsessive (by his own admission) melting down, live, on TV and the radio on a daily basis.


I’m not worried about Beck.

Moderate positions don’t sell airtime.

Lunatics and “shock jocks” do.

The reality is that TV is entertainment, and the more extreme the positions, the bigger the audiences. That’s the nature of the business.

141 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:24am

re: #89 TypicalWhiteLiberal

I don’t have time to fisk this whole thing, but a couple of points.

1. There was and is no “wholesale domestic wiretapping.” Only calls between the U.S. and another country were wiretapped, and only when they were specifically identified as involving terrorism. Your discussion with Aunt Louise about Grandma’s cookie recipe is still sacrosanct.

2. Spending on the Iraq war did not cause the economy to tank. The economy was in fine shape until about 16-18 months ago. Look a little closer to home — mortgage mayhem, shady bankers, and all the rest.

3. Obama’s policies are doing both immediate and long-term damage to this country. Servicing trillions of dollars in debt takes money away from things that are actually within the purview of the federal government. The stimulus is stimulating nothing but Democrat special interests. I doubt it has created a single job, and probably never will.

4. And this one is the most important: The right neither needs nor wants a messiah.

142 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:25am

re: #131 ‘Nam Grunt

Like it or not the “Tea Party’s” are going down in history as to the turning point of the Country not being taken over by marxists.

I hope the MFM gives them even coverage. Some how I think not tho.

143 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:25am

re: #118 wiffersnapper

Anyone else finding it hilarious that the MSM is using the term “teabag” with reckless abandon? I was laughing so hard I was crying.

Then again, video game term of teabag is WAY different than media meme term of teabag…

There is a possibility that it’s deliberately done to ‘innocently’ mock.

144 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:31am

re: #118 wiffersnapper

Anyone else finding it hilarious that the MSM is using the term “teabag” with reckless abandon? I was laughing so hard I was crying.

Then again, video game term of teabag is WAY different than media meme term of teabag…

What I find interesting, is how the MSM, claiming to be the bastion of ‘tolerance’ and ‘open mindedness’, are the first to insinuate homo erotic insults. I thought homosexuality was a sacred cow for all. But not the MSM.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:31am

re: #106 Cygnus

I didn’t know there was such a thing as a butt plug. Can I find one on eBay? :)

Unless it’s still in the factory shrink-wrap, you don’t want to get one on eBay. Allow me to recommend Good Vibrations.

146 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:36am

re: #117 Joel

He is a guest a lot on Hannity (much to my disgust) but is a regular on PMSNBC (Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and occasionally David Shuster) because he
1. hates Republicans
2. hates the Bush family
3. supported an Islamofascist victory in Iraq
4. hates so called ‘neocons’ and is always good for a ‘neocon’ bashing
5. hates Israel and Jews.

You know that.

And he’s someone that should have been drummed out of the media limelight by the GOP because of his odious views; WFB wouldn’t tolerate that kind of crapulence, and yet Hannity and the rest are either oblivious, or choose to ignore the anti-Semitism in order to get him on. The Left has no problem going to Buchanan because he’s notable, quick with a quote, and because of all of the aforementioned things he adds to a leftist argument.

147 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:44:49am

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

This is not healthy for our country.

I think much of what the right is into these days is not healthy for the country. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with conservatives because they are not helping and in many ways they are trying to make things worse.

148 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:45:38am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Nope. The book “Cryptonomicon.”

Well, it’s a big book, and been a while since I read that. Hmm.

149 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #141 doppelganglander

I don’t have time to fisk this whole thing, but a couple of points.

1. There was and is no “wholesale domestic wiretapping.” Only calls between the U.S. and another country were wiretapped, and only when they were specifically identified as involving terrorism. Your discussion with Aunt Louise about Grandma’s cookie recipe is still sacrosanct.

2. Spending on the Iraq war did not cause the economy to tank. The economy was in fine shape until about 16-18 months ago. Look a little closer to home — mortgage mayhem, shady bankers, and all the rest.

3. Obama’s policies are doing both immediate and long-term damage to this country. Servicing trillions of dollars in debt takes money away from things that are actually within the purview of the federal government. The stimulus is stimulating nothing but Democrat special interests. I doubt it has created a single job, and probably never will.

4. And this one is the most important: The right neither needs nor wants a messiah.

I couldn’t say it better. Bravo.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #118 wiffersnapper

Anyone else finding it hilarious that the MSM is using the term “teabag” with reckless abandon? I was laughing so hard I was crying.

Then again, video game term of teabag is WAY different than media meme term of teabag…

Rachel Maddow nearly lost it when reporting the story, in fact she demanded that her crew stop laughing, because they were making her laugh.

151 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:13am

re: #84 JustABill

I have been thinking about the Tea Party and the original Tea Party. The Original was about “No Taxation without Representation”. I think one of the problems today is “No Representation without Taxation”.

We have a large fraction of the population who pays no income tax (40 some odd percent and rising). Some of those actually get more money back from the govt than they pay. This creates a large voting block that doesn’t care how high taxes are.

The linkage of voting rights to taxation will never happen in America, but its interesting to think about.

Interesting points! A couple of weeks ago I floated an idea that I’d been mulling over recently:

We have universal suffrage. Okay, every American has a vote. Works for me.

However, as you pointed out, with 40+ percent (and rising) not having any skin in the game - other than what they can vote for themselves from the public trough:

Give every American who pays income taxes above a certain level (don’t know exactly how to calculate that off hand) one additional vote. Just one, not an additional vote for higher and higher levels of taxes paid. You simply bring a certified copy of your tax form to the polls, and if you are at or above the level, the poll worker hands you one extra ballot.

Some lizards pointed out that the idea probably isn’t Constitutional, and they may well be right. But I did like the idea that at least the productive members of our society could protect themselves - and America - to some degree.

152 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:25am

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Fox news and Glenn Beck are only a symptom of a much larger problem. The real problem is that conservatives are now embracing Ron Paul’s economics and Birch Society conspiracies. It seems insane to me but it seems to be a natural instinct and it’s very widespread.

Too many people are in panic mode right now with political forces feeding the hysteria. It reminds me of the 2000 election boondoggle though this time around people are concentrating on political rainbows such as Nirthers and other wild conspiracies too numerous to count.

WE have very REAL issues that could take center stage such as Secretaries Chu and Salazar are outright hostile to any company that deals with hydrocarbons. The foot dragging on nuclear energy. Environmental groups suing in the Public Interest to challenge all licensing pertaining to coal, gas, oil, and nuclear operations. The Supreme Court decision on the regulatory powers under the Clean Air Act for carbon dioxide. Real jobs that can put people to work for good pay and benefits that are under constant threat of “Green” movement.

Sorry for going off on a tangent, I do have a political bone to pick since I am one of many oilfield workers that have been laid off.

153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:27am

re: #142 Erik The Red

The Tea Parties are getting wall to wall coverage today. CNN has live streaming video that will probably run all day long. Not getting enough coverage is not going to be a problem.

154 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:32am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I think much of what the right is into these days is not healthy for the country. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with conservatives because they are not helping and in many ways they are trying to make things worse.

Our current stable of POLITICIANS are not healthy for our country. If you think you are on a “side” and that’s good, then you have been fooled. (not you in particular, the royal you).

In that case, go back to sleep.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:34am

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Rachel Maddow nearly lost it when reporting the story, in fact she demanded that her crew stop laughing, because they were making her laugh.


And yes, that was for effect, but the term is kind of—unfortunate.

156 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #137 nikis-knight

Only intellectually, of course. As Fred thompson said at their convention last summer, taxes don’t hurt the poor, unless you want to work or buy from a company.

Of course.

*Everyone* “pays” for higher taxes with the result of lower economic growth and standards of living for everyone.

Non-tax payers just don’t “see” it, that’s all.

157 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:44am

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

158 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:46:50am

re: #107 Kosh’s Shadow

This is nicer to him than their earlier suggestion to name the toilet after him.
The module is named “Tranquility”.

I’d have liked to see them go with Serenity. But of course Tranquility has a NASA history.

159 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

rofl

160 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:22am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I think much of what the right is into these days is not healthy for the country. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with conservatives because they are not helping and in many ways they are trying to make things worse.

Much like the far left has been doing foe the last 8 years. Aided by the MFM.

161 GCPSteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:26am

Glen Beck reminds me of the lunatic on MSNBC, Olberboy (Didn’t he get kicked off ESPN?). Neither of them should be paid any mind IMHO.

162 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist Funny. Ick. Funny. Ick. Funny.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:40am

re: #132 LGoPs

No, of course not, which is why I qualified what I said.

Got you.

164 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #144 Oh no…Sand People!

liberal tolerance on parade

165 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:47:53am

re: #134 DaddyG

You can find them in your local market right next to the teabags. /

At the Capitol Hill Trader Joe’s (Seattle residents will understand this).

166 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:02am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I think much of what the right is into these days is not healthy for the country. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with conservatives because they are not helping and in many ways they are trying to make things worse.


Aren’t you the one who says ‘let’s give Obama’s policies a chance’? I certainly don’t want republicans helping with that. Helping the country would be moderating them down, which is help the dems don’t want, and have no incentive to take.

167 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

And your point is? (Right Wing reactionary)

168 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:14am

re: #125 NYCHardhat

Who is Pat Buchanan?

Some neo-fascist sympathizer of Adolf Hitler, Francisco Franco, Saddam Hussein, Vladimir Putin, and Charles Lindbergh (whom he considers to be the greatest American). He also hates
1. Abraham Lincoln (because in his hert of hearts he wishes that slavery still
existed), 2. Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, 3. Winston Churchill (for daring to stand up to Hitler, Adolf), 4. Pope John XXIII for daring to recognize the anti Semitic history of the early church, and anyone whom he can claim is a ‘neocon’.

169 jcbunga  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:14am

OT but what the hell:

“Staph Scare at House Gym”
[Link: www.politico.com…]

To paraphrase James Madison, what are these f*ers doing with a gym?

170 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:38am

re: #141 doppelganglander

I don’t have time to fisk this whole thing, but a couple of points.

1. There was and is no “wholesale domestic wiretapping.” Only calls between the U.S. and another country were wiretapped, and only when they were specifically identified as involving terrorism. Your discussion with Aunt Louise about Grandma’s cookie recipe is still sacrosanct.

2. Spending on the Iraq war did not cause the economy to tank. The economy was in fine shape until about 16-18 months ago. Look a little closer to home — mortgage mayhem, shady bankers, and all the rest.

3. Obama’s policies are doing both immediate and long-term damage to this country. Servicing trillions of dollars in debt takes money away from things that are actually within the purview of the federal government. The stimulus is stimulating nothing but Democrat special interests. I doubt it has created a single job, and probably never will.

4. And this one is the most important: The right neither needs nor wants a messiah.

Have but one upding to give.

171 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:54am

Killgore Trout you are an idiot Moby and have always been one, get a life.

172 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

The Tea Parties are getting wall to wall coverage today. CNN has live streaming video that will probably run all day long. Not getting enough coverage is not going to be a problem.

The MFM is only looking of the kooks. Wait. One KKK or Ron Paul story and all the coverage will turn nasty.

173 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:02am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

OMG! How did you manage to escape?!

174 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:12am

re: #169 jcbunga

OT but what the hell:

“Staph Scare at House Gym”
[Link: www.politico.com…]

To paraphrase James Madison, what are these f*ers doing with a gym?

They might just disable the private elevator, and take the stairs instead.

175 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:14am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

Linky?

176 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #123 Kenneth

I would prefer if the Combined Operational Loaded Bowel Excrement Receptacle Technology be named after Colbert.

Well, the original idea was to name the toilet after him, but they named the treadmill instead.

177 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:41am

re: #115 looking closely
Well “If you’re not paying taxes at all, you’re completely insulated from their impact.” is just not correct. If in fact the taxation level makes it VERY difficult for small businesses to stay in business, then you are left with a dwindling supply of small businesses from which you can avail yourself of goods and service. Thus you will pay more for those goods and services.
And of course there’s always that old bugaboo - inflation. If out of control government spending results in extremely high inflation then you are paying “taxes” because the dollars you receive from whatever source, are worth much less.
And Obama’s proposed budget has a built in deficit of over One and a Half TRILLION dollars; that means the mint’s printing presses are gonna go into overdrive and the inflation rate will climb up.

178 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #160 Erik The Red

Much like the far left has been doing foe the last 8 years. Aided by the MFM.


Exactly. The left spent 8 years trying to get us to lose a war. I was opposed to the Iraq war but once it was on our country had my full support. I mocked and ridiculed those who sided against our country. I’ll continue to do the same thing even now that the sides have switched.

179 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:49:59am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

ATTENTION: MOTHERSHIP SIGHTED OVER HOUSTON AND DENVER. LANDING CRAFT MAKING WAY TO GROUND. THEY COME IN PEACE. DO NOT RESIST; THEY ARE OUR FRIENDS. /V

180 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:50:01am

re: #151 subsailor68

Interesting points! A couple of weeks ago I floated an idea that I’d been mulling over recently:

We have universal suffrage. Okay, every American has a vote. Works for me.

However, as you pointed out, with 40+ percent (and rising) not having any skin in the game - other than what they can vote for themselves from the public trough:

Give every American who pays income taxes above a certain level (don’t know exactly how to calculate that off hand) one additional vote. Just one, not an additional vote for higher and higher levels of taxes paid. You simply bring a certified copy of your tax form to the polls, and if you are at or above the level, the poll worker hands you one extra ballot.

Some lizards pointed out that the idea probably isn’t Constitutional, and they may well be right. But I did like the idea that at least the productive members of our society could protect themselves - and America - to some degree.

Or conversely, insist that everyone pay income tax. I agree that taking the vote away from those who don’t pay taxes would never fly, but it remains a self evident principle that if you have no stake in the game, why in the world should you have a say in how the stakes are allocated.
It’s like letting someone participate in a poker game without paying the ante.

181 GCPSteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Unless it’s still in the factory shrink-wrap, you don’t want to get one on eBay. Allow me to recommend Good Vibrations.

EFFFIN HYSTERICAL!

182 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:50:31am

re: #141 doppelganglander

The stimulus is stimulating nothing but Democrat special interests. I doubt it has created a single job, and probably never will


Worse, the so-called “stimulus” MUST create a net LOSS of jobs, as it shuttles money from the efficient private sector into the inefficient public one.

Its the old “broken window” fallacy of economics.

The only way the gov’t can “stimulate” anything is by putting unused resources to work. Obama’s spending programs don’t do that…at all. They’re just wealth redistribution schemes.

183 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #171 ‘Nam Grunt

I will read anything that Kilgore writes……you my friend are the idiot and I am crossing you off my list of worth my time.

184 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I think much of what the right is into these days is not healthy for the country. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with conservatives because they are not helping and in many ways they are trying to make things worse.

Drop the creationism via D.I. / I.D. / closet racists groups / open racist groups / and the ‘tell me how to live and what is best for me’ crowd. Give me control of my money and small government. In those cases I would be all over the ‘right’.

185 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:02am

re: #166 nikis-knight

Aren’t you the one who says ‘let’s give Obama’s policies a chance’? I certainly don’t want republicans helping with that. Helping the country would be moderating them down, which is help the dems don’t want, and have no incentive to take.

Oh stop with the right/left whatever stuff. Most of our politicians are criminal, right, left or otherwise, and you have no power over what they are doing, what they are going to do and what is going to happen to the future of this country.

If you think, even for a minute, that you have some say in this, some control left, some sort of influence on the future, then you have been tagged and bagged, fooled again, and you may as well turn on American Idol and drool the rest of your life away in from of the TV.

They already won.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:04am

re: #144 Oh no…Sand People!

What I find interesting, is how the MSM, claiming to be the bastion of ‘tolerance’ and ‘open mindedness’, are the first to insinuate homo erotic insults. I thought homosexuality was a sacred cow for all. But not the MSM.

Straight couples can teabag. Just sayin’.

187 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:19am

re: #107 Kosh’s Shadow

This is nicer to him than their earlier suggestion to name the toilet after him.
The module is named “Tranquility”.

They should name either the toilet or the “gaseous emissions receptacle” after him. Both Colbert and John Stewart are funny and talented in their own ways, but I’ve had enough of the righteousness and smug attitudes.

188 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:20am

But, more seriously: My brief impressions of the Lafayette Park “Tea Party”.

First, a caveat: Mine was definitely a NON-thorough investigation. Basically, I walked around it for a few minutes. Also, it’s raining fairly heavily, so all the rain slickers and umbrellas made it harder to see what sort of people were attending (since T-shirts, buttons, etc. were to some degree covered up).

It was a moderately largish crowd, filled about 1/3 of Lafayette Park. Peaceful. Signs were mostly along the lines of “IT’S OUR MONEY” and references to 1776. I saw a few Ron Paul T-shirts, but not many. I did NOT see any visible evidence of Stormfront or other racist groups. Also, interestingly, I did not see a single counter-protester (which surprised me).

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #172 Erik The Red

The coverage I was watching earlier was pretty reasonable. They were just broadcasting the speeches from the main stage.

190 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:36am

re: #137 nikis-knight

Only intellectually, of course. As Fred thompson said at their convention last summer, taxes don’t hurt the poor, unless you want to work or buy from a company.


Very true. But less obvious if you’re not looking for it, and hard to quantify its precise effect on you.

191 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:36am

re: #183 Big Steve

That’s how it works you are entitled to your freedom to do what you want, I fought for it!

192 MJ  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:41am

French Navy ( ! ) saves the day:

11 Pirates Are Seized in Raid by French Navy

French forces detained 11 suspected pirates during an assault on what they described as a pirate “mother ship” in the Indian Ocean off the eastern coast of Somalia Wednesday, less than 24 hours after an American cargo ship was attacked by pirates in the same region.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

193 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:51:50am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Nope. The book “Cryptonomicon.”

Great book - highly recommended.

194 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:01am

Kilgore often provides a balance that keeps us from lurching too far.
His observations are worth considering.

195 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:02am

Mark Urbin posted this at his E-Ramblings blog today:

The left’s “Deity”

I kid you not. I received the following tweet from a leftist troll today.

I’m a supporter of change the change our great and divine leader president Obama has brought to america


Let’s take a look at that statement through the eyes of a rational adult in a free society. First off, “great and divine leader”? This leftist troll should move to North Korea, he would fit right in. Second, note that the troll capitalized the name of his “great and divine leader”, but couldn’t be bothered to capitalize the name of the nation he lives in and provides him the freedoms to decent.

This leftist troll was complaining about American citizens exercising their First Amendment rights. He claimed that this exercise of the basic Human Right of Free Speech was “treason” against his “great and divine leader.” This leftist troll sets his cult of personality beliefs above that of the Constitution of the United States of America. I would not be surprised if this leftist troll demonstrated the left’s typical lack of basic history by calling those who are exercising their Civil Rights “fascists.”

In comments I responded:

This crap was old when the Pharaohs were doing it in ancient Egypt.

What most people don’t realize was that the Great Pyramids were not built with slave labor. They were built with the labor of farmers paid to work in the off season after the annual harvest.

In other words, the Pyramids were a public works project. The stimulus package of the day.

This crap has been going on for thousands of years. It’s no surprise (at least to me) that The Big Zero’s supporters are starting to look upon and worship him as old fashioned (progressive in left-speak) stone-age god-king.

196 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:05am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Our current stable of POLITICIANS are not healthy for our country. If you think you are on a “side” and that’s good, then you have been fooled. (not you in particular, the royal you).

In that case, go back to sleep.

All too true, Walter. When you see someone like Ray LaHood (R-Peoria) in Obama’s cabinet, you should realize that we’re being had. We have a fancy name for it in Illinois, The Combine.

197 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:07am

re: #173 doppelganglander

OMG! How did you manage to escape?!

Serpentine!

198 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #191 ‘Nam Grunt

That’s how it works you are entitled to your freedom to do what you want, I fought for it!

Like you are the only one who was in ‘Nam

199 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:19am

re: #126 Big Steve
Hey Big Steve - THAT’S Bittany Spears? What did she do, lose a bet or something?

200 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:33am

re: #192 MJ

French Navy ( ! ) saves the day:

11 Pirates Are Seized in Raid by French Navy

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Somali pirates vow to kill American sailors

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

201 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:35am

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Exactly. The left spent 8 years trying to get us to lose a war. I was opposed to the Iraq war but once it was on our country had my full support. I mocked and ridiculed those who sided against our country. I’ll continue to do the same thing even now that the sides have switched.

What part of the US do you support? The part that has been running since 1776 or the part that started on 20 Jan 2009?

202 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:39am

re: #168 Joel

Some neo-fascist sympathizer of Adolf Hitler, Francisco Franco, Saddam Hussein, Vladimir Putin, and Charles Lindbergh (whom he considers to be the greatest American). He also hates
1. Abraham Lincoln (because in his hert of hearts he wishes that slavery still
existed), 2. Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, 3. Winston Churchill (for daring to stand up to Hitler, Adolf), 4. Pope John XXIII for daring to recognize the anti Semitic history of the early church, and anyone whom he can claim is a ‘neocon’.


I know who he is. I was just answering your question as if you were Alex Trebeck. I’m a goof ball.

203 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:45am

re: #180 LGoPs

Or conversely, insist that everyone pay income tax. I agree that taking the vote away from those who don’t pay taxes would never fly, but it remains a self evident principle that if you have no stake in the game, why in the world should you have a say in how the stakes are allocated.
It’s like letting someone participate in a poker game without paying the ante.

That would work for me as well. Yeah, no way would taking someone’s right to vote away would be doable (or fair), which I why I thought about the idea of giving one extra vote to taxpayers.

BTW, love your poker analogy! Very cool!

204 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:52:50am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

Wait what? Are you saying the Lizard Army is part of a government conspiracy?

205 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:04am

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can teabag. Just sayin’.

Theoretically speaking of course. /

206 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #179 lawhawk

ATTENTION: MOTHERSHIP SIGHTED OVER HOUSTON AND DENVER. LANDING CRAFT MAKING WAY TO GROUND. THEY COME IN PEACE. DO NOT RESIST; THEY ARE OUR FRIENDS. /V

Just remember that when they say that they just want ‘to serve mankind’, you should ask whether that would be baked or fried.

207 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #198 Big Steve

Nooooo, I had plenty of friends that fought to give you freedom. You are welcome btw!

208 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #196 Honorary Yooper

All too true, Walter. When you see someone like Ray LaHood (R-Peoria) in Obama’s cabinet, you should realize that we’re being had. We have a fancy name for it in Illinois, The Combine.

I have a simpler name for it here in Golden Colorado, bullshit ( or sometimes it’s nickname, Avanti).

209 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:44am

re: #198 Big Steve

Like you are the only one who was in ‘Nam

210 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:45am

re: #144 Oh no…Sand People!

What I find interesting, is how the MSM, claiming to be the bastion of ‘tolerance’ and ‘open mindedness’, are the first to insinuate homo erotic insults. I thought homosexuality was a sacred cow for all. But not the MSM.

It’s a sacred cow if and only if the target is a leftist. Just like race.

211 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:53:54am

re: #188 Occasional Reader

It looks like it’s cold and rainy over the whole country today so I’d guess that’s keeping the crowd numbers down a bit. I saw some of the DC and Boston coverage earlier. Looked like crowds of maybe 200 or so.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #151 subsailor68

Interesting points! A couple of weeks ago I floated an idea that I’d been mulling over recently:

We have universal suffrage. Okay, every American has a vote. Works for me.

However, as you pointed out, with 40+ percent (and rising) not having any skin in the game - other than what they can vote for themselves from the public trough:

Give every American who pays income taxes above a certain level (don’t know exactly how to calculate that off hand) one additional vote. Just one, not an additional vote for higher and higher levels of taxes paid. You simply bring a certified copy of your tax form to the polls, and if you are at or above the level, the poll worker hands you one extra ballot.

Some lizards pointed out that the idea probably isn’t Constitutional, and they may well be right. But I did like the idea that at least the productive members of our society could protect themselves - and America - to some degree.

If I was a firstborn male landowner, I’d vote for the Earl of Kent for Parliament!

213 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:12am

re: #177 realwest

Yes, I should have said “if you don’t pay taxes at all, you are PSYCHOLOGICALLY insulated from their impact”.

Again, high taxes cripple economic growth and hurt everyone.

214 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:13am

re: #194 jaunte

Kilgore often provides a balance that keeps us from lurching too far.
His observations are worth considering.

What?!

BURN THE WITCH!

/

215 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:44am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Oh stop with the right/left whatever stuff. Most of our politicians are criminal, right, left or otherwise, and you have no power over what they are doing, what they are going to do and what is going to happen to the future of this country.

If you think, even for a minute, that you have some say in this, some control left, some sort of influence on the future, then you have been tagged and bagged, fooled again, and you may as well turn on American Idol and drool the rest of your life away in from of the TV.

They already won.


Check your reading comprehension again, Walter. Neither I nor the post I was replying to mentioned politicans other than Obama, certainly not favorably. So what exactly is your point?

216 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:50am

re: #192 MJ

French Navy ( ! ) saves the day:

11 Pirates Are Seized in Raid by French Navy

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

That is great, at least France is going to not bend over for these scumbags. If every country that plies those waters started doing this type of activity, that problem would quickly diminish.

217 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

It looks like it’s cold and rainy over the whole country today so I’d guess that’s keeping the crowd numbers down a bit. I saw some of the DC and Boston coverage earlier. Looked like crowds of maybe 200 or so.

We have over 2000 in downtown Denver. Idiots.

218 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:01am

re: #188 Occasional Reader

But, more seriously: My brief impressions of the Lafayette Park “Tea Party”.

First, a caveat: Mine was definitely a NON-thorough investigation. Basically, I walked around it for a few minutes. Also, it’s raining fairly heavily, so all the rain slickers and umbrellas made it harder to see what sort of people were attending (since T-shirts, buttons, etc. were to some degree covered up).

It was a moderately largish crowd, filled about 1/3 of Lafayette Park. Peaceful. Signs were mostly along the lines of “IT’S OUR MONEY” and references to 1776. I saw a few Ron Paul T-shirts, but not many. I did NOT see any visible evidence of Stormfront or other racist groups. Also, interestingly, I did not see a single counter-protester (which surprised me).

It was raining. They would melt……
/

219 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:17am

re: #192 MJ

French Navy ( ! ) saves the day:

11 Pirates Are Seized in Raid by French Navy

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Well, good on them! The world turned upside down.

220 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:18am

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

If I was a firstborn male landowner, I’d vote for the Earl of Kent for Parliament!

LOL! And quite rightly so, my good sir. The Earl is well known for his ability to sleep through anything!

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:19am

Let’s not make this thread about me. We’ll have an open thread later and we can discuss me to your heart’s content.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

It was kind of cool, though. They threw ameros out to the crowd. I got a bunch!

223 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:55:45am

Palin come around to

AGW.

224 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

Serpentine!

“There are flames on my car!”

225 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #214 Occasional Reader

What?!

BURN THE WITCH!

/

BURN HER! BURN HER!

226 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #216 Desert Dog

That is great, at least France is going to not bend over for these scumbags. If every country that plies those waters started doing this type of activity, that problem would quickly diminish.

The last time the French went after a bunch of pirates they ended up conquering Algeria.

227 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:45am

I would rebuke Beck, but I have never buked him. So consider him buked at this point. If I need to rebuke later, I will.

228 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:48am

re: #206 Cygnus

I believe it was fileted, grilled, and served with a nice chianti and fava beans.

229 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #179 lawhawk

ATTENTION: MOTHERSHIP SIGHTED OVER HOUSTON AND DENVER. LANDING CRAFT MAKING WAY TO GROUND. THEY COME IN PEACE. DO NOT RESIST; THEY ARE OUR FRIENDS. /V

The Mothership is here to make our nation more Supergroovalisticprosifunksticated. Definitely, do not resist.

230 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #191 ‘Nam Grunt

That’s how it works you are entitled to your freedom to do what you want, I fought for it!

Fucking A sir.

231 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:12am

re: #226 The Other Les

The last time the French went after a bunch of pirates they ended up conquering Algeria.

That turned out well for them

232 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #180 LGoPs

Or conversely, insist that everyone pay income tax. I agree that taking the vote away from those who don’t pay taxes would never fly, but it remains a self evident principle that if you have no stake in the game, why in the world should you have a say in how the stakes are allocated.
It’s like letting someone participate in a poker game without paying the ante.

I’m all for that.

The easiest way to accomplish this is with a spending tax (ie the “fair tax” or a VAT).

The problem with it is that Washington will NEVER give up the income tax, so in practice you’d just be adding even MORE tax burden on the ones already paying most of the taxes.

233 Earick  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:21am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

So Walter! Tell us what you really think!

234 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:33am

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

It was kind of cool, though. They threw ameros out to the crowd. I got a bunch!


If you soak them in pickle juice it will destroy the tacking devices hidden inside them.

235 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:42am

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can teabag. Just sayin’.

BWAAHAAA! Yes. Yes they can. But we know the MSM isn’t talking about that. And the ‘tolerant’ left somehow turns a blind eye when they use homosexuality as an insult and a weapon as long as they are the one’s doing it.

236 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:57:52am

re: #209 capitalist piglet

Sorry, folks - the auto load got me.

re: #198 Big Steve

Like you are the only one who was in ‘Nam

Steve, whatever your disagreement with Nam Grunt, I don’t think that’s what he meant.

237 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:00am

re: #191 ‘Nam Grunt

That’s how it works you are entitled to your freedom to do what you want, I fought for it!

Thank you and God Bless you.

238 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:07am

re: #227 BigPapa

I would rebuke Beck, but I have never buked him. So consider him buked at this point. If I need to rebuke later, I will.

No bukkake for Beck.

239 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:25am

With no tacking device, we’ll soon be on the rocks.

240 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #199 realwest

Hey Big Steve - THAT’S Bittany Spears? What did she do, lose a bet or something?

Went crazy.

241 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #220 subsailor68

LOL! And quite rightly so, my good sir. The Earl is well known for his ability to sleep through anything!

Nothing to say about the Duke of Marlboro eh…:)

242 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:58:53am

well, if a lurch to the right gets us back he House and Senate like a lurch leftward did for the Democrats (aided by the media) then fine

what “we” do with that power, this time, is the difference

but letting the administration paint us all as kooks, and us going along with it is not productive

a hearty GAZE at the reports the DHS put out is best

it is just the power of suggestion, trying to continually set the tone that ALL right wingers are nuts

don’t feed the animals

243 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:07am

re: #238 looking closely

No bukkake for Beck.

For those of you who regretted Googling “Teabagging”…

Really - don’t go there with this post.

Really.

244 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #233 Earick

So Walter! Tell us what you really think!


eh, Walter pulls out the “We’re doomed, idiots, the crooks are screwing you already!” Schtik every so often. Must have had a rough night, but it gets tired rather fast.

245 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:16am

Wasn’t Cleon Skousen affiliated with the John Birch Society?

246 JustABill  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:18am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

No! Not lizards. Charles needs to add a rule banning black helo pilots.

247 notutopia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:26am

I just perused the other recent articles written by this reporter. They’re quite well researched and very well written. Take a look.
Benjamin Sarlin is a reporter for The Daily Beast. He previously covered New York City politics for The New York Sun and has worked for talkingpointsmemo.com.


Socialist Shocker!
by Benjamin Sarlin

Benjamin Sarlin is a reporter for The Daily Beast. He previously covered New York City politics for The New York Sun and has worked for talkingpointsmemo.com.
X Close
April 11, 2009
Don’t Fear the Swedish Model
by Benjamin Sarlin
Info
Benjamin Sarlin

March 24, 2009
Jindal’s Volcanic Embarrassment
by Benjamin Sarlin
Info
Benjamin Sarlin

March 23, 2009

Charles, You do yourself Proud!
Keep up the great work. You make this interview business look so easy for all of us, and yet I know the criticism from both sides of the aisle is tolerable only to someone like you, who has hardened personal fortitude and stalwart honest principles of fairness in the media. It is so refreshing to see this superb quality of a balanced article. No personal attacks, no slandering, just good interviewing technique and honest comments published in the direct context that they enhance the subject of the article.
Beck’s comments become the point of contention.
That is not occurring here, with yours.
Kudos! Great write.

248 vagabond trader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:26am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Yeah we know about that, the important question is how was the nirther, paulbot, “my mailman’s an alien” turnout?

249 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:33am

re: #218 LGoPs

It was raining. They would melt……
/

Yes, hippies melt in water. That’s why they don’t bathe or take showers.
/

250 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #236 capitalist piglet

Sorry, folks - the auto load got me.

re: #198 Big Steve


Steve, whatever your disagreement with Nam Grunt, I don’t think that’s what he meant.

see his #171

251 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

It was kind of cool, though. They threw ameros out to the crowd. I got a bunch!

I like the ten amero bill especially, with the portrait of Salma Hayek on the front.

252 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:03am

re: #146 lawhawk

And he’s someone that should have been drummed out of the media limelight by the GOP because of his odious views; WFB wouldn’t tolerate that kind of crapulence, and yet Hannity and the rest are either oblivious, or choose to ignore the anti-Semitism in order to get him on. The Left has no problem going to Buchanan because he’s notable, quick with a quote, and because of all of the aforementioned things he adds to a leftist argument.

You know as well as I that Buchanan left the GOP after the 1996 election (and no longer considers himself to be a Republican, read his shit magazine online if you can stomach it) and ran as a Perot party (what is the name of their party?) candidate in 2000 (the dolts in Florida meant to vote for Gore and voted for Buchanan remember?). The Republicans (to his credit McCain led the way ) told him to take a hike after one of his “Hitler was not such a bad guy” articles or books. I constantly excoriate Hannity whenever he has him on, which is not a lot.

253 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:07am

Glenn Beck, at the end of his radio show just now, said “take a stand for common sense.”

What a nut case. Maybe he should take his own advice. I was only listening because I changed the station just before the top of the hour to get another show. He should take a stand to have his medications adjusted.

254 Rexatosis  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:11am

The news media is essentially being run by modern P.T. Barnums, though not necessarily with Barnum’s business sense. Glen Beck is merely Fox’s new carney barker.

255 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:11am

re: #245 ladycatnip

Yes.
[Link: www.nndb.com…]

256 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Ok, I am not into the lingo - so what does “teabag” in this connotation mean?

257 freetoken  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:25am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Well, it’s sunny here in SoCal today.

Remember, there have been “tea parties” going now for several weeks. In the overnight thread I posted a clip from one in PA on the 11’th, where Alan Keyes does his ‘nirther routine.

258 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:00:51am

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

OT:

Nasa and Colbert have reached a compromise.

They have named a new piece of equipment after the man that won the contest to name the new module for the ISS.

Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill (or, in acronym form, COLBERT).

NASA is famous for Acronym Creations. I had to up-ding you on it…

259 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:15am

Born to be mild.

260 MJ  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #219 Catttt

Well, good on them! The world turned upside down.

[Video]

Perhaps our action there had a positive effect on the French.
As a senior adviser to Margaret Thatcher once told the Guardian of her advice to George Bush on standing up to Hussein during Gulf War I, “The Prime Minister performed a successful backbone transplant.”

261 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:40am

re: #242 Adrenalyn

well, if a lurch to the right gets us back he House and Senate like a lurch leftward did for the Democrats (aided by the media) then fine…

And what good is that going to do? Are “right” leaning criminals any better then “left” leaning criminals?

Do you really think any politician you put in office going to do anything for YOU?

I don’t.

262 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:41am

re: #151 subsailor68

For a cutoff line, how about just simply everyone who actually pays income taxes (not counting SS and med.)? If your income is so low that your exemptions and credits mean your total tax bill for the year is zero, no vote this year.

If the productive then decide to change the tax structure so much that you owe federal income tax, well, next time around you do get to vote and can try to change things if you want.

263 razorbacker  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:46am

Lunch time, lunch time, hooray for lunch time.

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can teabag. Just sayin’.

Before they get married, anyway. Afterwards you might get a nasty bite where no male wants a nasty bite.

264 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:55am

re: #205 DaddyG

Theoretically speaking of course. /

How can you say the ‘safe’ word?

265 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:01:55am
266 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #251 Occasional Reader

I like the ten amero bill especially, with the portrait of Salma Hayek on the front.

I was hoping that Selena would be on one.

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:15am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

If you soak them in pickle juice it will destroy the tacking devices hidden inside them.

Ohhh, cool. I’ll do that now. Thanx for the tip!

I must have gotten bumped, or something, though, there’s this round sore patch on the back of my neck.

268 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:20am

I went to a Tea Party and got badly Sconed…:(

269 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:23am

re: #191 ‘Nam Grunt

Also thanks for your service. You have as much of a right of an opinion as anyone else. If some disagree so be it.

270 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:48am

re: #254 Rexatosis

The news media is essentially being run by modern P.T. Barnums, though not necessarily with Barnum’s business sense. Glen Beck is merely Fox’s new carney barker.

Yea, Barnum knew he was fucking the public, and said so, Fox hides behind “real news, fair and balanced.”

271 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:49am

re: #151 subsailor68
Hey subsailor! Hope you’re doing well.

Give every American who pays income taxes above a certain level (don’t know exactly how to calculate that off hand) one additional vote. Just one, not an additional vote for higher and higher levels of taxes paid. You simply bring a certified copy of your tax form to the polls, and if you are at or above the level, the poll worker hands you one extra ballot.

Well now that assumes that those who don’t pay taxes are somehow doing so illegally or improperly, does it not?
This is not the case in anything like many cases. Take my own, for example.
I receive Social Security Disability Insurance because I literally cannot work a job. But BEFORE I went on SSDI, I did work, for over 45 years and I did pay WAY more into Social Security than I’ll ever live to take out. In fact the odds are very good (or from my admittedly biased view, very bad), that I’ll leave something over $100,000 (not including interest, of course!) in the kitty when I die.
Secondly, I don’t know who else it is that comprises the 40% that don’t pay taxes. Do you know or do you have a link that I could read to understand it?
And finally we can’t even get a requirement for Voter Photo ID cards passed by all the states, much less by Congress, so I think the idea of showing your income tax return is not gonna work with TPTB either.
Just sayin…….

272 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:02:54am

re: #250 Big Steve

see his #171

Thank you, I did - but I don’t think that justified taking a shot at his service in Vietnam, particularly when I’m sure he is very well aware he was not the “only one” who was there.

273 zombie  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:03:05am

I really wish I had artistic skills, because just this morning I had an idea for an hilarious cartoon:

Panel 1:
A wild-eyed street bum dressed like Moses walks down the sidewalk carrying a hand-made sign that says “The End Is Near!”

Panel 2:
Several more crazies with identical signs appear out of alleyways and join him.

Panel 3:
The street is filled with a parade of crazies all holding hand-made “The End Is Near!” signs.

Panel 4:
A single street bum steps into the parade holding a sign that says “The End Is NOT Near!”

Panel 5:
The parade freezes as all the other crazies notice and turn toward him in shock.

Panel 6:
Screaming and rabid with rage, all the doomsayers chase the “NOT Near” guy down the street, beating him with their signs.

The kicker is: Each bum has the word “conservative blogger” written on his robe, and the last counter-intuitive signholder has on his robe the identifying words “Charles Johnson”.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:03:10am

re: #238 looking closely

No bukkake for Beck.

Ick. I say again unto you: ick.

275 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

And what good is that going to do? Are “right” leaning criminals any better then “left” leaning criminals?

Do you really think any politician you put in office going to do anything for YOU?

I don’t.

“for” me, no
I just want them to stop the process as it is headed

276 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:04:07am

re: #203 subsailor68

That would work for me as well. Yeah, no way would taking someone’s right to vote away would be doable (or fair), which I why I thought about the idea of giving one extra vote to taxpayers.


It wouldn’t be “doable”, that’s for sure.

As to “fair”…that’s a value judgment, but its not historically unprecedented or necessarily unfair.

Originally only property owners had the vote.

This seems chauvinistic from today’s perspective, but it actually makes perfect historical sense, as land owners were the only ones who paid taxes, and therefore, in fairness, were the only ones felt to be entitled to give a voice in how the tax money was spent.

Its the logical premise behind the famous cry of “no taxation without representation”. Of course, now we have the converse, namely “Representation, without taxation!”.

The ultimate in empirical “fairness” would be one “vote” per dollar of tax money spent, but I don’t think most people would see it that way!

The issue of “fairness” here is also complicated by the fact that the gov’t current does lots of other things OTHER than spending our money never dreamed of by the Founders (eg regulating the airwaves, etc).

277 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #268 Dustyvet

I went to a Tea Party and got badly Sconed…:(

you batter believe it

278 notutopia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #273 zombie

I really wish I had artistic skills, because just this morning I had an idea for an hilarious cartoon:

Panel 1:
A wild-eyed street bum dressed like Moses walks down the sidewalk carrying a hand-made sign that says “The End Is Near!”

Panel 2:
Several more crazies with identical signs appear out of alleyways and join him.

Panel 3:
The street is filled with a parade of crazies all holding hand-made “The End Is Near!” signs.

Panel 4:
A single street bum steps into the parade holding a sign that says “The End Is NOT Near!”

Panel 5:
The parade freezes as all the other crazies notice and turn toward him in shock.

Panel 6:
Screaming and rabid with rage, all the doomsayers chase the “NOT Near” guy down the street, beating him with their signs.

The kicker is: Each bum has the word “conservative blogger” written on his robe, and the last counter-intuitive signholder has on his robe the identifying words “Charles Johnson”.

Awesome envisionment! And so True!

279 MikeAlv77  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:04:59am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

JUST BACK FROM LAFAYETTE PARK (IN FRONT OF WHITE HOUSE) TEA PARTY

BLACK HELICOPTERS CAME IN, ALL PROTESTORS ARRESTED!

TROOPS WORE UNIFORMS THAT SAID “DHS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION JOINT TASK FORCE”; SPOKE MIXTURE OF RUSSIAN, CHINESE, HEBREW

HELICOPTER PILOTS WERE NOT HUMAN, APPEARED REPTILIAN!

Step away from the kool-aide, take a deep breath. Admitting you have a problem is the first step…

/

280 freetoken  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:05:34am

re: #223 avanti

From the link:

The 2008 Republican nominee for vice president said relatively clean-burning natural gas can supplant dirtier fuels and slow the discharge of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere[…]

That was the line GWB took during the 2000 campaign (there is a video of him while on Letterman, somewhere on youtube).

Unfortunately, while it is true that natural gas is much much cleaner than coal, natural gas depletion from wells is quick enough that even though drilling has increased, production struggles.

281 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:05:41am

re: #202 NYCHardhat

I know you know who he(Buchanan) is. I needed to vent about him. The mere mention of him drives me to paroxysms of rage.

282 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:05:49am
283 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:06:04am

re: #157 Occasional Reader
WHAT?! The Tea Parties here in North Carolina don’t start until 5:00PM (or, for some strange reason, in Raleigh Durham 4:30PM). You mean to tell me that those BLACK HELICOPTERS could refuel and come down here?!
Gack!
:)

284 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:06:29am

re: #262 lurking faith

For a cutoff line, how about just simply everyone who actually pays income taxes (not counting SS and med.)? If your income is so low that your exemptions and credits mean your total tax bill for the year is zero, no vote this year.

If the productive then decide to change the tax structure so much that you owe federal income tax, well, next time around you do get to vote and can try to change things if you want.

Well, we still have a Constitutional issue with the no vote approach, but the idea of setting it to those who pay any level of income tax is kinda interesting. (And, yeah, I hear ya on SS and Medicare.)

285 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:06:34am

Fir Tree Found Growing Inside Man’s Lung


[Link: news.sky.com…]

286 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:07:18am

re: #270 Walter L. Newton

Yea, Barnum knew he was fucking the public, and said so, Fox hides behind “real news, fair and balanced.”

Compared to the rest it is fair and balanced. More liberals on Fox then there are conservatives on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, PBS, NY Times, Newsweek Magazine combined.

287 notutopia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:07:34am

re: #285 Dustyvet

Fir Tree Found Growing Inside Man’s Lung

[Link: news.sky.com…]

Warm, dark, moist…the right environment.
What no birds?

288 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:07:42am

re: #277 Adrenalyn

you batter believe it

That was a yeasty post.

289 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #276 looking closely

Thing is, many aspects of government effect everyone. Maybe everyone should get a vote for president & votes for congress should be porportional to taxes paid.

290 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:08:00am

re: #183 Big Steve

I will read anything that Kilgore writes……you my friend are the idiot and I am crossing you off my list of worth my time.

I hope you don’t think that, just because two people don’t like each other, one of them must have nothing useful to say. That would be foolish.

291 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:09:58am

re: #288 Cygnus

That was a yeasty post.

You think I knead this?

292 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:10:07am
293 Olderthandirt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:10:18am

Damn! What’s up with that? Also, where’s my coffee! Tea Parties are fine but they should also serve me coffee! Damn!

294 1 US Sheeple  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:11:36am

I think a lot of people on this site are guilty of wishful thinking and are not in touch with reality! What about the socialist takeover of the Fed Govt do you not understand?
When those who are on the so called right try to point out the ramifications of the take over they are called an extremist and accused of rabble rousing!
The Govt is in the process of redefining America and has the intent of control in every aspect of our lives. When Glenn Beck and others sound the alarm they are castigated and maligned.
There are many PC posters on this site that just follow the herd and do not exhibit any original thinking!

295 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:11:46am

re: #291 Spare O’Lake

You think I knead this?

look, I am a little jammed up for time
has to be a drive-by posting

296 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:11:53am

re: #256 bolivar

Ok, I am not into the lingo - so what does “teabag” in this connotation mean?

Never mind - found out for myself…..there are some sick puppies in this bunch - not too sick - just demented or something.

297 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:12:11am

Michelle Malkin has a very concise breakdown of the origins of the Tea Party movement on her blog today.

298 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:12:41am

re: #271 realwest

Hi RW! Thanks, and right back at ya. Hope you and your mom are doing great too.

I take your point. It’s not really that folks who don’t pay income tax are doing anything wrong - although it certainly is tempting to vote for things when there’s no skin in the game. I’d guess that many folks who don’t pay tax still vote for what they believe to be in the best interest of the country, and not themselves.

But, human nature being what it is…

Your case is a little bit different - kind of the exception that tests the rule. You’re a contributing citizen who just happens to have a situation not of your own making. Hell, if it were up to me, you’d get that second ballot regardless - because of the contributions you’ve already made.

(Hmm….just complicated my own thesis.)

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #256 bolivar

Ok, I am not into the lingo - so what does “teabag” in this connotation mean?

Google, I beg of you. If I get banned from here, I want it to be for my political views, not because I started talking dirty one fine Wednesday morning.

:)

300 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:13:03am

re: #294 1 US Sheeple

I think a lot of people on this site are guilty of wishful thinking and are not in touch with reality! What about the socialist takeover of the Fed Govt do you not understand?
When those who are on the so called right try to point out the ramifications of the take over they are called an extremist and accused of rabble rousing!
The Govt is in the process of redefining America and has the intent of control in every aspect of our lives. When Glenn Beck and others sound the alarm they are castigated and maligned.
There are many PC posters on this site that just follow the herd and do not exhibit any original thinking!

well, there is a minority among us that see this for what it is
you are not alone
just not surrounded by huge throngs

yet

/but will it be too late once people wake up?

301 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:13:21am

re: #285 Dustyvet

Fir Tree Found Growing Inside Man’s Lung

[Link: news.sky.com…]


I’m fairly skeptical about this story, which if true, would be medically unprecedented.

Even if true, what this guy had wasn’t a fir “tree”, but rather a fir “sprout” that would have ultimately died from lack of nutrition and sunlight.

302 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:13:34am

re: #213 looking closely
Well it’s certainly true as you say that “Again, high taxes cripple economic growth and hurt everyone.”
But how does one become psychologically insulated from that?

303 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:13:34am

re: #287 notutopia

Warm, dark, moist…the right environment.
What no birds?

See what being a “Tree Hugger” will do for you…:)

304 justabill  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:13:42am

re: #285 Dustyvet

Fir Tree Found Growing Inside Man’s Lung


[Link: news.sky.com…]

Was his name Douglas?

305 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:14:00am

re: #292 Iron Fist

You know me as well as most and I’m all for freedom and that’s what I’m seeing from the Tea Party’s, and if they change anything towards that goal, then I’m in their corner, they are mostly just regular folks trying to make a living for their children. Love ya’ Bro

306 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:14:19am

re: #304 justabill

Was his name Douglas?

is he noble ?

307 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #305 ‘Nam Grunt

You know me as well as most and I’m all for freedom and that’s what I’m seeing from the Tea Party’s, and if they change anything towards that goal, then I’m in their corner, they are mostly just regular folks trying to make a living for their children. Love ya’ Bro

I agree with you. And thank you for your service, from the bottom of my capitalist, American heart.

308 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:15:46am

re: #292 Iron Fist


On the Tea Partys, it is hard to say. I find it unlikely that they will have any significant effect on national policy, but they may very well effect State politics, depending on the State.

As you know, many election contests are decided by EXTREMELY narrow margins.

If these parties empower voters to think about taxes or spending in general and make their voices heard at the local, state, or Federal level, they’ll be effective.

309 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:16:22am

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist


awwww it is not THAT bad…..just a little bit

310 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #146 lawhawk

And he’s someone that should have been drummed out of the media limelight by the GOP because of his odious views; WFB wouldn’t tolerate that kind of crapulence, and yet Hannity and the rest are either oblivious, or choose to ignore the anti-Semitism in order to get him on. The Left has no problem going to Buchanan because he’s notable, quick with a quote, and because of all of the aforementioned things he adds to a leftist argument.

When I see Pat Buchanan, I ALWAYS change the channel.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #301 looking closely

I’m fairly skeptical about this story, which if true, would be medically unprecedented.

Even if true, what this guy had wasn’t a fir “tree”, but rather a fir “sprout” that would have ultimately died from lack of nutrition and sunlight.

You know, I think even having a fir sprout in your lung is pretty alarming.

312 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #192 MJ

French Navy ( ! ) saves the day:

11 Pirates Are Seized in Raid by French Navy


[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Way cool. Cry havoc! and let slip the frogs of war.

313 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:17:00am

re: #256 bolivar

Ok, I am not into the lingo - so what does “teabag” in this connotation mean?

Its a slang term referring to a crude sexual act involving the scrotum. If you need to know more, look it up yourself.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:17:05am

re: #309 bolivar

awwww it is not THAT bad…..just a little bit

Well, but trying to explain it—in words—in mixed company….

315 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:18:28am

re: #238 looking closely

Eww.

What’s with people today? teabagging, buttplugs and now bukkake…

I thought this was a family blog?

316 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:18:41am

re: #312 lurking faith

Way cool. Cry havoc! and let slip the frogs of war.

There’s lots of ribbets in the frog Navy ships…:)

317 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:19:07am

Hey Charles,
You da man.

318 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:19:28am

re: #308 looking closely

As you know, many election contests are decided by EXTREMELY narrow margins.

If these parties empower voters to think about taxes or spending in general and make their voices heard at the local, state, or Federal level, they’ll be effective.

My best friend is conservative, and yesterday he told his teen daughter what his tax bill was for ‘08. (He’s an engineer and makes a good living, but doesn’t qualify as “rich”.) Her reaction was, “We’ve got to start making the rich pay their fair share in this country.”

She heard that somewhere, and it wasn’t from her father.

We’ve got a lot of work to do. This is a start.

319 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:20:12am

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, I think even having a fir sprout in your lung is pretty alarming.


I could see how it might be.

If there is any truth to this story at all (and again, I’m skeptical), then the fir sprout would have had to be within this mans bronchus, not the lung tissue proper.

Apparently, this is not the first report of this sort of thing happening.

[Link: www.weirdasianews.com…]

320 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

Yep, I just started reading it, up to around page 118, still don’t know what it is about, but it’s interesting (no, don’t tell me nothing).

No giveaways, but this is funny. I had just checked it out. Had a date with a guy from NSA. Twisted my ankle, so he came over and cooked me dinner.

I had the book there and read him some of it, because it was all so math geek NSA guy relevant. :D

321 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

We are all among adults here - I think? Now some of the groupies here might be living in mommies basement but, they are likely over 18 at least. That would mean they can handle it. Ok now that we have that out of the way on to better things.

Our local Boston talk station WTKK is pushing the dickens out of their Tea Party where the “real” tea party originally occurred. Cannot argue with that one bit but, bet they get punked by ACORN slime. It will only take one to ruin the whole thing. Remember Columbus Park at 4:00 EST. Fox, CNN and MSNBC are covering it.

322 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:22:20am

re: #318 capitalist piglet

My best friend is conservative, and yesterday he told his teen daughter what his tax bill was for ‘08. (He’s an engineer and makes a good living, but doesn’t qualify as “rich”.) Her reaction was, “We’ve got to start making the rich pay their fair share in this country.”

She heard that somewhere, and it wasn’t from her father.

We’ve got a lot of work to do. This is a start.

I told my wife what our tax bill was, and her response was “Can’t we move to France or Canada to pay less taxes?”

(I kid you not).

323 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:22:27am

re: #312 lurking faith

Way cool. Cry havoc! and let slip the frogs of war.

John Hinderaker from powerlineblog pointed this out yesterday regarding the French

France’s reputation for wimpiness is somewhat misplaced, I think. The French may seem weak when we want them to help us with a difficult task from which they will gain no immediate payoff—but that isn’t wimpiness as much as cynicism. When it comes to protecting their own interests, the French are quite ruthless. Remember when they dispatched frogmen to bomb a Greenpeace ship? It’s hard to imagine any American administration issuing such an order. Unfortunately.
324 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:22:53am

Gitmo Detainess Given Phone Calls, what could possibly go wrong?


A detainee at Guantanamo Bay, Mohammed el Gharani, used his weekly phone call to his family to dial an al Jazeera reporter instead.

The first words out of his mouth? Help, I’m being oppressed!

An inmate in the US prison facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has told Al Jazeera that he has been beaten while in custody and had tear gas used on him after refusing to leave his cell.

Mohammad al-Qurani, a Chadian national, said in a phone call to Al Jazeera that the alleged ill-treatment “started about 20 days” before Barack Obama became US president and “since then I’ve been subjected to it almost every day”.

“Since Obama took charge he has not shown us that anything will change,” he said.

A) He gets phone calls? B) He gets to dial the numbers himself?


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu…]

325 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:23:39am

re: #130 NYCHardhat

Brittany Spears with no mop top.

But she seems to have got better - her latest is below.

326 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:23:55am

re: #315 Kenneth

Eww.

What’s with people today? teabagging, buttplugs and now bukkake…

I thought this was a family blog?

What the gov’t does every April 15th is far worse than mere teabagging or bukkake.

327 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #262 lurking faith
IIRC, when the US was first founded, the only folks who could vote were people who owned (real) property. And Jews weren’t allowed to serve in the Military (not that you said or even implied that, just as sort of a time line guide).
It’s sort of a strange game to play with voting, I think.
As I said somewhere up above, I’d settle for Voter Photo ID cards (for which, of course, you’d have to prove residence). We got those recently I’m told, in North Carolina - no Photo ID and proof of where you live, no vote. Period.
Frustrated the hell out of ACORN but I just considered that a bonus.

328 bolivar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:24:54am

re: #326 looking closely

Now you are just kinky - ewwww real kinky.

329 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:26:40am
330 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:30:24am

re: #249 Kosh’s Shadow

Not all hippies! :)

331 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:30:44am
332 looking closely  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:32:18am

re: #319 looking closely

OK, I’m “officially” calling BS on this Fir tree in lung story.

[Link: www.mosnews.com…]

Nice picture of fir-in-lung, but as depicted its impossible. While a seed can sprout from stored up nutrients, plants don’t turn green and grow without sunlight.

A detached fir bud can’t grow, and a seed couldn’t mature to that extent without light.

The fact that the story comes from Pravda doesn’t help its credibility here.

333 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:32:37am

re: #284 subsailor68

Well, we still have a Constitutional issue with the no vote approach, but the idea of setting it to those who pay any level of income tax is kinda interesting. (And, yeah, I hear ya on SS and Medicare.)

Well, citizenship has been redefined before.

Oh, and I must admit, I was just responding with a quick off-the-cuff way eligibility might work (if stakes-based were doable at all, which I doubt). But I think it would also have to be set up so retirees and the disabled would NOT lose their vote based on income too low to tax directly. I didn’t account for that, and I should have.

334 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:35:18am

re: #177 realwest

… If in fact the taxation level makes it VERY difficult for small businesses to stay in business, then you are left with a dwindling supply of small businesses from which you can avail yourself of goods and service. …

Government has a built in bias against small business. They find it much easier to control (and to tax) a smaller number of large business. Like the auto industry today - a cartel of a few giant (unprofitable) corporations, big labor, and big government. And card check will bring the transplants (Honda, Toyota, etc.) into the fold.

The anti small business bias is also why the IRS is so hard on independent contractors, constantly trying to get them reclassified as employees.

And the Small Business Administration? They exist only to provide funds to businesses owned by politically connected (read, campaign donors) and the political correct (women and minority businesses). Ordinary people need not apply.

/rant off

335 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #298 subsailor68
Thanks - and you’re right, you did just compicate your own thesis! But I have faith that you’ll figure it out! LOL!
I really don’t know the origins or make-up of that “40% don’t pay taxes” comes from; I suspect folks who don’t want folks on Welfare to be able to vote and certainly not folks who are third and fourth generation welfare recipients who have never worked. But I suspect - if the 40% is correct - that most of it comes from the uber rich who use off shore corporations to hide their earning or some such. And a lot could be the folks who took out 100% financing on the purchase of their home - hell the interest deduction for that could be astronimical!
I remember when I bought my first home (which now belongs to my most recent former wife) by the time my accountant got through deducting interest, local income taxes (NYS and NYC) and real estate taxes - I hardly owed any money to the IRS!
Still would like to see the breakdown of that 40% or so figure.

336 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:42:06am

re: #294 1 US Sheeple

1. Just because Glenn Beck has an occasional good point doesn’t mean he isn’t nuttier than a fruitcake.

2. If you think the majority of posters on this site don’t have grave concerns about the obvious, radical, dangerous-to-our-future intentions of the current President and Congress, then you haven’t been paying attention.

3. You seem to be complaining that the main drift on this blog is AWAY from the HERD of alarmist-over-everything right-wing commentators. How odd, then, that you accuse people here of following the herd.

3a. I don’t always agree with Charles, but I always respect his opinion, because I know he thinks for himself and is honest.

337 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #335 realwest

Heh, heh. Well, when I have an idea, it’s usually half-baked. (I know that, because my wife tells me so.)

I’m with ya on the actual percentage numbers. Every time I’ve seen ‘em, someone writes that they’re IRS numbers, but that doesn’t mean that’s accurate. Guess I should do a little research and see if I can find an actual number - with legit references.

338 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:46:07am

re: #240 NYCHardhat

Went crazy.

Brittany didn’t have to go very far.

339 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:46:25am

re: #331 Iron Fist HeyBro’ - you’ll get no argument from me.
But I’ll bet somewhere someone - not on the right side of the political spectrum - is thinking “Hmmmm why should you have to be a citizen to vote! Legal immigrants with green cards should be able to vote.
So if we take the 12-20 million undocumented workers and give them amnesty, wow we sure could get a lot of votes”. Those types WILL NEVER WANT A PHOTO ID as a requirement for voting. And ALL the arguments AGAINST photo id for voting are bogus.

340 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #334 Son of the Black Dog
Good rant!

341 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #327 realwest

I’m not really advocating any kind of means-based voter eligibility test. Just pointing out that if we wanted to base it on who pays into the system noticeably, then the line would be easy to draw.

I wandered off into a theoretical exercise without making it clear that that’s what I was doing. Sorry.

I’m with you about the voter I.D. requirement. I think it’s crucial, and I think nobody could possibly oppose it without having the intent to abuse the system and bring ineligible voters to the table.

342 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:48:21am

well I’m outta here folks. Lunch and worrying to do!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

343 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:50:23am

re: #268 Dustyvet

I went to a Tea Party and got badly Sconed…:(

Everybody.Must.Get.Sconed.

344 1 US Sheeple  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:55:12am

341 lurking faith
Glenn Beck along with Peter Schiff was warning about the economic downturn while the rest of the MSM and the financial pundits were telling us how rosy everything was. My point is that he has credibility to back his warnings and that he should be listened to rather than judged to be a raving nut.
I’m sure that Paul Revere would have been judged by some of the posters on this site as an alarmist and an extremist.
THINK!

345 cmarks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:57:41am

NO! Quite the contrary for me. It renewed my faith in you! :-)

346 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #335 realwest

… I really don’t know the origins or make-up of that “40% don’t pay taxes” comes from; …

Actually, I think it’s closer to 60 percent. Standard (or itemized deductions) and personal exemptions sop up a lot of earned income, leaving many workers with zero income tax (or a check from the gov’t. for the Earned Income Credit).

It’s not the high earners. If they work in the US, they can’t come close to sheltering all of their taxable income. Maybe a lot, but not all. That was the Genesis of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which was never adjusted for inflation and is now ensnaring more and more of the middle class. Now THAT may be the shit-in-the-fan that gets our tax code reformed. (Praise be.)

BTW, have you tried O’Doul’s Amber? Good (not beer) beer. Better than the regular O’Doul’s, IMHO.

347 J.S.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:18:30pm

re: #344 1 US Sheeple

Peter Schiff? That’s Ron Paul’s “economic advisor” from the 2008 campaign…as I laugh…yeah, soo tell me, what precisely are Peter Schiff’s economic credentials? (doesn’t appear to have any degrees in economics, and other than being a stock broker, what other credentials does he have?) imo, Schiff has a vested interest in seeing the U.S. economy take a nose dive — that’s what he’s hoping for (as Schiff has been hoping for the past half decade, btw.) And, this, of course, corresponds to Beck’s ridiculous “end times”, doomsday scenarios (fits in with those Mormon beliefs of Beck’s.) Just two more flakes who no doubt intend to enrich themselves via fearmongering (and banking on the stupidity of their audiences.)

348 1 US Sheeple  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:46pm

re #347 J.S.
Schiff has no power to affect any financial downturn but he was astute enough to realize that it was going to happen. He used his common sense and most of the Phd’s did not do this. He was going on TV and writing about the coming financial problems and he was castigated and vilified at every turn. He stated his opinion that foreign stocks and gold are good investments. Vested interest indeed!

As far as the “End Times” that you are so worried about you might try researching some of the signs that forecast the “End Times”. However, I doubt that someone who relies on the PC indoctrination of the MSM will do anything other than parrot the current PC line and sneer at those who say anything different.

Being PC is in you know, and a lot of the posters and Charles (I’m sorry to write) want to be seen as those who are in the middle, are tolerant, are capable of considering both sides and certainly should never be judged as (horrors) extremists.

349 J.S.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:37pm

re: #348 1 US Sheeple

There’s an expose of Schiff available on the Internet available here…in an article entitled: “I Don’t think I’ve Been Wrong on anything” (that’s the title of the article, as well as a quote from Schiff). The author of the article chronicles/documents Schiff’s “predictions” and concludes: “On all of these counts, Schiff wasn’t just wrong but ended up being hugely wrong.” Here’s a link to the article in the outside event you might care to read it…

And, I’m not at all worried about the end times — I do believe it’s amusing, however, and no, I’m not interested in any “forecasts” or attempts to divine the future (I don’t bother with horoscopes, either — it’s all nonsense, imo — although, I suppose it’s a profitable enterprise for some).

350 1 US Sheeple  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:14pm

re #349 J.S.
Peter Schiff, nor anyone else, is able to bat a 1000! With all of the deficit spending the worst (inflation) is yet to arrive. ECONOMICS 101: printing money results in devaluation of a country’s currency and INFLATION! On this, Schiff is correct. His timing, is not perfect, but the financial disaster he refers to is not that far off.
Both Schiff and Beck are right and they should be commended for having the courage to say so.

The Tea Parties are a result of the average citizen saying we are going in a dangerous direction and this needs to change as soon as possible. Those that complain about the fringe groups, the Ron Paul supporters and the GOP being involved are missing the point. It does not matter why they were organized because the purpose of these protest is to stop the socialist drift and the out of control spending.

Will the protest stop the socialist move? I really don’t think so, however, it may slow it a bit. That is a start and at this time that is all we can hope for. If we wait for the RINOS to do anything, we will certainly be living under an overpass and scratching at the ground for something to eat.

351 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

Part of me wonders if the Right isn’t trying to steal from the Left’s playbook. The Left swerved into crazy-land Left territory, and look where that got them. The right is swerving into crazy-land Right territory, and… well, look where that got THEM. Some people never learn.


The part about “stealing from the Left’s Playbook”
is wishful thinking.

What’s action here is that “people are people”.

352 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Our current stable of POLITICIANS are not healthy for our country. If you think you are on a “side” and that’s good, then you have been fooled. (not you in particular, the royal you).

In that case, go back to sleep.


There are plenty of good politicians in this country.

They’re just not the ones who attract any attention.

353 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:21:43pm

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