Currently being advertised on both the Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck radio shows: The Obama Deception, an Alex Jones film that rehashes every insane conspiracy theory about Barack Obama.
The Ron Paul kooks are excited about their increasing legitimization.
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Neutral President Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:32:04am |
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:32:06am |
Third Party in America taking seats away from Dems and Repubs.....Faster, please
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:33:39am |
Repost from the previous thread: From our "friends" at Fox News (via Stormfront)....
Part 1: 04/15/2009 Freedom Watch Tax Day w/ Napolitano, Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Lew Rockwell, more
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J.S. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:33:40am |
I don't listen, watch or bother with Limbaugh or Beck...not worth it. (although, obviously, these two do know how to get attention, gain an audience, and make lots and lots of money.)
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gregb Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:34:08am |
Wait...weren't we 12 months into a recession before Obama was elected?
I'm happy he's continued on some of the Bush policies.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:34:19am |
re: #4 Jewels (AKA Julian)
Third Party in America taking seats away from Dems and Repubs.....Faster, please
So you're supportive of this?
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Devil's Advocate Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:34:52am |
This is a 20 min. video of the Chicago Tea Party that CNN Missed.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:35:08am |
Advertised on the show during a commercial break or endorsed by Rush specifically? There is a difference. Lot's of things are advertised on the Rush show, but very few things are endorsed by Rush himself. Just was wondering...
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Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:35:17am |
Morning all. It's going to be a loooonnnngggg four years.
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jwb7605 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:35:46am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Et tu, Rush?
That was my reaction.
I went to his site a minute ago, and can't find the references.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:36:32am |
I posted this near the end of the DT, but it is relevant here.
re: #1647 So?
I don't think the people need a leader. They are getting smarter & smarter. Which means organizing independently. Yesterday was just a shot across the bow so to speak. The next party will be massive.
I disagree about not needing a leader of some sort. The patriots who started the Revolution had leadership (Adams, Hancock, etc). The civil rights movement had leaders (MLK, Jr.). Most movements throughout history have had leaders of some kind, someone to get behind. Yes, people are smart, but leaders can shape and harness that smartness into something that works and wins. Right now, Ron Paul and Alex Jones hope to be those leaders. I don't want them as our leaders. There's too many sane and normal people who showed up at those rallies yesterday. We don't need them subverted for Paul and Jones, but without leaders of our own, they may just follow Paul and Jones. Our word must get out, our voice must be heard, and we must the standard bearers.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:36:35am |
It is way past time for a new, big, centrist political party.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:36:56am |
From the Paulian site......
We must strike while the iron is hot here. The sleeping neo-con masses are stirring from their slumber and if they started circulating this video, it'll be all over for the neo-cons.
There are many conservatives willing to be duped. The Paulians are making enormous progress far beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
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calcajun Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:37:13am |
Pandering. Shameless pandering.
It's not like Rush needs the ad revenues either.
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pat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:37:35am |
The Paulians attempt to hijack the tea parties is absurd. No one in my State even knows who he is, but the tea parties are in every county.
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Buck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:37:37am |
Charles,
Hold EVERYONE accountable....
We may not show you everyday, the way all the negative email does, BUT we are with you. We support the idea of keeping the eye on the ball, and not getting distracted by the side shows.
There are two kinds of people.... 9-10 and 9-11.
Your following is 9-11.
The rest (nirthers etc) can go elsewhere for their echo chamber needs.
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calcajun Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:37:50am |
re: #20 alegrias
Another movie I'll never see or miss seeing.
I'll wait for the spoiler on Moviepooper.com
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:38:04am |
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Opinionated Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:38:12am |
A lot of crap advertised everywhere.
Can someone shut up Billy Mays?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:38:12am |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
There are many conservatives willing to be duped. The Paulians are making enormous progress far beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
Only because we are letting the Paulians dominate the conversation and debate. We could kick them out of the debate and make the discussion our own.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:39:05am |
Israel undermines the peace process again
"Israel expects the Palestinians to first recognise Israel as a Jewish state before talking about two states for two peoples," a senior official in Netanyahu's office quoted the new prime minister as telling George Mitchell, U.S. President Barack Obama's special envoy.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:39:15am |
Are they being promoted by Rush himself, or are they paid advertisements?
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Kenneth Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:39:17am |
Alex Jones is a paranoid psychotic. Beck & Rush or idiots if they advertise this lunatic. Lord help us.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:39:45am |
I heard an ad on Laura Ingraham's show this morning, too. As soon as I heard it I suspected some right wing nutbar was behind it. Sad to see my fears confirmed.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:40:00am |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
at this point, The Ronulans have given the Libratarians a bad name. But sheesh, the Dems and the Repubs are equally vile at this point. We got anything else out there that is relatively sane?
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Opinionated Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:40:25am |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
From the Paulian site......
There are many conservatives willing to be duped. The Paulians are making enormous progress far beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
How do you define progress? They may make the Republican Party more irrelevant if they get a toe hold, but that's about their limit.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:40:50am |
From Stormfront......
Tulsa Tea Party 4.15.09
Check out these photos of one of the Tulsa, OK tea parties of 4.15.09.Look at all the whites, especially pics of gorgeous white women and children. This is what America used to look like.
[Link: www.outragedpatriots.com...]
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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:40:55am |
One thing to remember is that many of these people are entertainers who want to maximize their income. That and those who only rant do get old at times.
It's reasons like that why I do like tuning into Bill Bennett and Hugh Hewitt. For conservative talk, they are a bit more....something.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:41:16am |
Rush was the one who called me home, who made me a conservative, because I was challenged to listen to him for 5 days. He had me in 3. It was because he communicated conservative values- fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility, limited government.
I don't think he needs to take this road. I really wish he'd get back to the real bread and butter. It could make the difference in just over a year and a half from now.
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:41:26am |
re: #30 Eagle
Are they being promoted by Rush himself, or are they paid advertisements?
This is one dollar that Rush needs to ignore.
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KenJen Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:41:29am |
I like the announcer guy's evil voice. / The shadow dude on the grassy knoll gives two thumbs up.
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Racer X Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:41:42am |
Bill Ayers didn't seem to harm Obama one bit. And that mothrafocker actually participated in the murder of American cops.
I am NOT saying we should all run over and join up with Obama. Nor am I saying we should agree with everything put out there by Beck, Rush, or whoever.
I have a brain. I can make up my own mind. My bullshit filters work fine. I do appreciate the info on who they align with.
Next step:
Send Rush an email asking him to distance himself from the radical crazies. Same with Beck.
Sitting and waiting for someone pure - ON EITHER SIDE - is unrealistic.
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:41:43am |
One wonders if Rush or Beck even vet the ads on their shows.
Speaking of which: the bizarre ads appearing on LGF based on Google's keywords and tags are pretty amusing. All sorts of pro-Obama books and videos, and other things based simply on keywords but without taking into the context or opinion about the keywords.
Hence, a post that says "Obama is a terrible president!" will get the same ads as a post that says "I love Obama forever!"
Google (and the other ads services) really has to improve their algorithms.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:04am |
re: #30 Eagle
Are they being promoted by Rush himself, or are they paid advertisements?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:07am |
How much influence does a radio personality (syndicated, at that) have over content of advertising? I hear some local radio personalities occasionally defending themselves against callers who say, "Yeah, but your station had an ad for such-and-such." And the response is that the radio personality does not choose or have any influence over what the station chooses to advertise.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:15am |
Republican leaders should be out in front of this Tea party stuff. I have heard very little from them. Maybe they are indeed out there, I just don't see them.
Could it be though they do not support the tea parties either? It's hard to support something that could lead to your own demise I suppose.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:18am |
But can Rush control this? I don't know how his contract is structured. I've heard that ad - it sounds absolutely nutty and off-putting.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:31am |
re: #18 Ojoe
It is way past time for a new, big, centrist political party.
We already have one. It's the Democrats.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:39am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Wow, that stor-----t comment was beyond the pale.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:42:55am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Et tu, Rush?
I don't see it on Rush's site? Am I going blind?
Or was this a radio ad buy? Because when I used to listen via KSFO, there were insane ads all the time.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:43:14am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
I don't take much stock in what Shitfront has to say one way or the other. They will make of it what they will, and miss the point because they are total assholes. By the same token, we cannot let Shitfront co-opt the discussion for their own twisted purposes.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:44:03am |
Alex Jones started ranting about on inside job on September 11, 2001. Fuck him.
And shame on Rush for this. It pains me to say it, but it's true. He needs to hear about this. I'm emailing him and I'm going to civilly tell him to drop this sack of shit.
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Spartacus50 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:44:06am |
Radio advertising really doesn't bother me when it comes to this and at least Rush had the good sense to stay out of the Palm Beach Tea Party. However, I cringe when I hear the very mention of Alex Jones or Prisonplanet
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:44:22am |
re: #47 Zimriel
Not at all anymore, they want to spend us into the poorhouse, that's not prudent & in fact they are taxing future generations, who have no current representation.
No, IMHO the Ds are not in the center any more.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:44:50am |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
From the Paulian site......
There are many conservatives willing to be duped. The Paulians are making enormous progress far beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
I think you overestimate their progress.
Granted perception can drive reality - but I doubt they will progress beyond the fringe.
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BohicaTwentyTwo Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:08am |
We cannot let the Ronulans hijack our tea parties with their isolationism and gold standard nonsense. Already, the MSM are using these nutjobs to paint the tea parties as masses of unhinged conspiracy theorists.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:15am |
re: #45 AMER1CAN
To be Fair to the Republicans, most Tea Party Organizers told them to Piss Off to a Nunnery. And frankly, the Republicans took the hint as they realize they are in the Doghouse at the moment
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Spartacus50 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:18am |
re: #45 AMER1CAN
they should do whats best and stay as far away from the Tea Parties as possible. This will come back to haunt anyone who participated
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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:19am |
As far as Stormfront goes....remember that they joined in with Cindy Sheehan and other Democrats to protest in Crawford Texas. Not exactly a pro-Republican group.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:19am |
Heard an ad for this today on Laura Ingraham's radio program...I had no idea it was an Alex Jones film.
I wonder if these folks even know?
I guess they will now....It'll be interesting to see what they do.
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:37am |
re: #7 J.S.
I don't listen, watch or bother with Limbaugh or Beck...not worth it.
On that topic, we are in full agreement.
I feel kind of left out of this whole Beck/Rush fiasco, because I have never seen or heard Beck or Rush, and have no interest in doing so. (I'm probably the last person in America to have never heard Rush's voice.)
Not watching TV and not listening to drive-time talk radio has been among the greatest blessings of my life.
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KenJen Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:56am |
re: #46 capitalist piglet
But can Rush control this? I don't know how his contract is structured. I've heard that ad - it sounds absolutely nutty and off-putting.
I doubt he controls this. I've listened to the Dave Ramsey show and heard ads for debt consolidation companies which he is strongly against.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:46:44am |
re: #28 Honorary Yooper
Only because we are letting the Paulians dominate the conversation and debate. We could kick them out of the debate and make the discussion our own.
Somebody well-known needs to step up and tell the Ronulans to go get f-cked. It took a William F. Buckley the last time around.
I propose a new moderate third party that doesn't include any of these crazy people... An intelligent, secular, pro-science, limited government party with no Jew-haters, no Troofers, no sycophants, no isolationists, no religious whackjobs, no militia types, no white supremacists, nobody who's unreasonably scared of what's in their doctor's syringe - I suppose the name "Independence Party" is already taken?
I know the market is out there. There are millions of people who feel this way and yet every time they try to speak out for themselves, some jerk is always moving right in there to either crush their voice or hijack their cash flow.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:46:50am |
re: #59 Dave the.....
As far as Stormfront goes....remember that they joined in with Cindy Sheehan and other Democrats to protest in Crawford Texas. Not exactly a pro-Republican group.
So by the new rules of associative guilt, Mama Sheehan is now an Internet Nazi.
This could be fun after all.
Who's going to break the news to her?
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:47:17am |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Alex Jones started ranting about on inside job on September 11, 2001. Fuck him.
And shame on Rush for this. It pains me to say it, but it's true. He needs to hear about this. I'm emailing him and I'm going to civilly tell him to drop this sack of shit.
Sharm, do you know that Rush has control over this? If he promoted it with his voice, I'd be with you...I'm just not sure what he can do about it, or how that works exactly. Maybe individual stations are responsible.
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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:47:29am |
Zombie, try Hugh Hewitt or Michael Medvid. Medvid (am I spelling that right) is a bit of a ranter, but his trademark is to have those with opposing views call his show. Hugh's show is also less ranting and more interviews. Not always partison either.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:47:30am |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Alex Jones started ranting about on inside job on September 11, 2001. Fuck him.
And shame on Rush for this. It pains me to say it, but it's true. He needs to hear about this. I'm emailing him and I'm going to civilly tell him to drop this sack of shit.
Um.
There's no ad on his site.
I'm confused, here.
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nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:47:43am |
Cable Anchors, Guests Use Tea Parties as Platform for Frat House Humor
Cable anchors and guests covered the anti-tax tea party protests by cracking a litany of barely concealed sexual references.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
They weren't good losers, and they ain't good winners either.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:22am |
re: #66 capitalist piglet
Sharm, do you know that Rush has control over this? If he promoted it with his voice, I'd be with you...I'm just not sure what he can do about it, or how that works exactly. Maybe individual stations are responsible.
I don't think it matters. I'm going to tell him this ad is running on his air time, and who this sick bastard is. He's RUSH. If he can't stop this ad, who can?
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KenJen Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:23am |
You probably wont hear that ad on Air America. Are they still around?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:23am |
re: #45 AMER1CAN
Republican leaders should be out in front of this Tea party stuff. I have heard very little from them. Maybe they are indeed out there, I just don't see them.
Could it be though they do not support the tea parties either? It's hard to support something that could lead to your own demise I suppose.
In California, the Republican party gave Governor Arnold $1 million towards advertising for a proposition that will extend the historic $52 Billion tax increase an additional 2 years. That's the effed up Republican party in California. *spit*
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:05am |
re: #67 Dave the.....
Zombie, try Hugh Hewitt or Michael Medvid. Medvid (am I spelling that right) is a bit of a ranter, but his trademark is to have those with opposing views call his show. Hugh's show is also less ranting and more interviews. Not always partison either.
Medved.
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jwb7605 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:23am |
Not only did I check out Rush's webpage and fail to find a reference, I entered the term "Alex Jones" in his search tab.
Nothing appeared except articles on Alex Castellanos.
I do remember hearing ads for John Kerry during that presidential election.
People called in complaining about that.
Rush said that some of the ads were his sponsors, and some of the ads were inserted by the networks or local stations, and he had no control, and usually no knowledge, of those.
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calcajun Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:28am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Would you at least say that these folks are the same morons who, if they could, would be burning crosses and wearing sheets and/or swastikas.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:45am |
Did anybody see Dennis Miller on O'Reilly last night? I usually like his comments, but he was completely off the rails last night. Somehow he managed to make the piracy problem into a joke about Gibbs doing a press conference wearing an eyepatch with a parrot on his shoulder saying "Somali want a cracker."
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:50:13am |
re: #67 Dave the.....
Zombie, try Hugh Hewitt or Michael Medvid. Medvid (am I spelling that right) is a bit of a ranter, but his trademark is to have those with opposing views call his show. Hugh's show is also less ranting and more interviews. Not always partison either.
I strive to avoid punditry altogether.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:50:56am |
re: #71 Sharmuta
I don't think it matters. I'm going to tell him this ad is running on his air time, and who this sick bastard is. He's RUSH. If he can't stop this ad, who can?
It's not on his site. I repeat.
I wrote him.
What the heck are you thinking? Charles gets ads on his site that make me raise my eyebrows, or laugh. I don't take them as endorsed by Charles.
He got the stretch-marks ad removed, of course, and who could blame him? But that was really egregious.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:08am |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Alex Jones started ranting about on inside job on September 11, 2001. Fuck him.
And shame on Rush for this. It pains me to say it, but it's true. He needs to hear about this. I'm emailing him and I'm going to civilly tell him to drop this sack of shit.
See my #44. Does Rush or any other radio personality have control over advertising content? Stations buy advertising. Radio personalities can endorse them, but they don't choose them. Is Rush endorsing this product?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:22am |
re: #17 Honorary Yooper
I posted this near the end of the DT, but it is relevant here.
re: #1647 So?
I disagree about not needing a leader of some sort. The patriots who started the Revolution had leadership (Adams, Hancock, etc). The civil rights movement had leaders (MLK, Jr.). Most movements throughout history have had leaders of some kind, someone to get behind. Yes, people are smart, but leaders can shape and harness that smartness into something that works and wins. Right now, Ron Paul and Alex Jones hope to be those leaders. I don't want them as our leaders. There's too many sane and normal people who showed up at those rallies yesterday. We don't need them subverted for Paul and Jones, but without leaders of our own, they may just follow Paul and Jones. Our word must get out, our voice must be heard, and we must the standard bearers.
I think the problem is you need to be slightly crazy to want to lead people, and right now, you have to be a lot crazy to want to run the US.
So only loonies show up.'
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:42am |
re: #53 Ojoe
Not at all anymore, they want to spend us into the poorhouse, that's not prudent & in fact they are taxing future generations, who have no current representation.
No, IMHO the Ds are not in the center any more.
That's where you're misdefining the word "centre". "Centre" has an objective meaning in an electorial sense: it is the party which captures the median of the popular vote. Last year that voter voted for Barack H. Obama.
The Democrats are the centrists now. The centre has moved Left over the decades. Your choices are (1) embrace the Democrats or (2) give up pretentions of being part of the "rational middle". You do not get a third option.
Any "Centrist" party which is not a Democrat subset will find itself having to act like the Democrats. Look at the "Modern Whigs" site and its trashtalk of Republicans (and not so much of Democrats).
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:52:41am |
re: #33 Jewels (AKA Julian)
at this point, The Ronulans have given the Libratarians a bad name. But sheesh, the Dems and the Repubs are equally vile at this point. We got anything else out there that is relatively sane?
* * * *
It is unfair and unhelpful to say people like Norm Coleman of Minnesota, Eric Cantor of Virginia, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, Hoekstra of Michigan, Mark Kirk of Illinois, Frank Wolf of Virginia and MANY other hard working public servants are EQUALLY VILE as Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Emanuel, Blagoyevitch, Kerry, Kennedy, Edwards.
Bernie Sanders of Vermont is verifiably socialist but goes by "Independent", does that make you feel better?
It is ignorant to paint every last Republican, no matter how new or hardworking, as VILE.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:52:54am |
re: #39 MandyManners
Agreed. But I have heard lots of wacky advertisements on talk radio.
Hair regrowth ... a tonic to make you think faster... eliminate credit card debt, etc. Advertisements per se don't really have the Rush seal of approval.
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Neutral President Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:53:03am |
Any thoughts of going 3rd Party right now are suicidal. Doing so will just about guarantee socialists in government with a perceived mandate to run the country into the ground into the 2020s. This is the time start naming names and putting a spotlight light on the cockroaches in the corners of the Republican party. Fix it from within, or we are screwed.
The Libertarians... right.... please...
A new 3rd Party of Fiscal Conservatism, Ross Perot who?
The Modern Whigs, ok but... I don't see a philosophical basis for their list of "good ideas" other than "because we say so" (again... Ross Perot who?)
Fix the Republican's from within. Expose the kooks, the people who want creationism in science classes, the troofers, the nirthers, the Christian socialists, and those who think spending us into oblivion is ok as long as its for right-wingish stuff. Shine the brightest spot light you can on them. Get the party focused on fiscal restraint and ending hyperbolic deficit spending.
We aren't going to make it as the nation we know with socialists in charge until 2024, and that's exactly what's going to happen if we don't get our shit together and try to pull this 3rd party nonsense.
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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:11am |
A while back, the left wingers called for boycotts of Rush's advertisers. That was a case were ads were bought in bulk (or whatever term they use) and go to stations almost randomnly. Maybe somewhat like internet ads. Neither the ad buyers nor shows had much control over where they were aired.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:45am |
This is quite similar to the kind of paranoid bullshit that was going around during Clinton's first term, and it didn't help anyone but ole BJ himself.
If speakers on the "right" continue to legitimize this kind of crap, you can look forward to a two term Obama.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:19am |
re: #84 alegrias
Sorry...but I've no faith at the Federal level with either party anymore. Unless a massive purge of the people who cause this problem happens (yeah right), we're jsut not going to have reforms from the sort of mess we've now.
I'm sorry, but there it is.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:27am |
There is absolutely no excuse for running an advertisement for this garbage. It's so irresponsible it boggles the mind. It's exactly like running an ad for "Loose Change" or some other 9/11 Truther film.
This makes me sick.
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spinoneone Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:35am |
One should presume that Rush and Glenn have no, or almost no, control over the commercials run during their shows. That is handled, typically, by the production and advertising staffs. After all, no advertising, no show.
There already are three political ideas in this nation: far right with an admixture of various flakes; the independent/moderate/middle with a lot of people who simply can't be bothered with politics [an attitude which will bite them in the ass, sooner or later]; and, the far left, full of very flaky trail mix. At least at the Washington Tea Party I attended, most of the people present were moderate-conservative-libertarian [non-Paulian] types. It is a very tough group to meld together.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:52am |
Radio personalities have little to no control over what is advertised on the radio station and all the sister stations.
The only thing Rush can control is who HE specifically endorses and does radio ads for. You have to pay extra money if you want Rush to endorse it with his name and voice.
This Alex Jones ad is not endorsed by Rush. In fact, I doubt Rush has any idea about it. Why would he? It's just an ad buy from some company selling something. It's probably only airing on select sister stations anwyays.
I doubt Rush can or could do a damn thing about it. It's not on his website, he didn't make an endorsement for it. Not sure how Rush is responsible or endorses these ads.
As others have said, funny adds show up on LGF all the time and I doubt that Charles specifically endorses them.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:59am |
#86 is spot-on. The answer is not to join some chimera of a "centrist" party; as I already said, that spot is taken - by the "nonpartisan, progressive, tolerant" Democrats. That is precisely why Michael Steele is such a disaster.
The answer is to stand firm for a set of principles. I am not saying that this means jumping up and down, ranting, and building gargantuan papier-mache puppets. The message can be delivered in the most reasonables of tones, but it cannot be diluted.
RoughRider, feel free to downding this as much as you please.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:13am |
re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth
This is quite similar to the kind of paranoid bullshit that was going around during Clinton's first term, and it didn't help anyone but ole BJ himself.
If speakers on the "right" continue to legitimize this kind of crap, you can look forward to a two term Obama.
Do you know whether Rush's contract gives him control of precisely who is advertising during his show time across the country? That seems an important factor to consider here.
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:30am |
re: #64 Pawn of the Oppressor
* * * *
Bernie Sanders of Vermont is "Independent" in Congress; socialist is more descriptive, but Independent is what he designates himself as. Are you fooled yet?
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:09am |
Umm..."Loose Change the Final Cut (9-11 troofer movie) is advertised in the Google ads in the Right sidebar. I wouldn't dream of suggesting LGF endorses this movie because it shows up in a sidebar ad.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:12am |
Sorry, it's ridiculous to say they have "no control" over the ads that appear on their shows. That's simply not true.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:22am |
re: #80 Dianna
I emailed him asking if he was aware of it, and if he was aware of who this man is. Again- he's Rush. He's got muscle. If he wants it gone, it will be. I will give him a chance to do what he can about it.
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:43am |
re: #89 Jewels (AKA Julian)
Sorry...but I've no faith at the Federal level with either party anymore. Unless a massive purge of the people who cause this problem happens (yeah right), we're jsut not going to have reforms from the sort of mess we've now.
I'm sorry, but there it is.
* * * *
Purges, great idea. NOT.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:47am |
re: #96 snowcrash
Umm..."Loose Change the Final Cut (9-11 troofer movie) is advertised in the Google ads in the Right sidebar. I wouldn't dream of suggesting LGF endorses this movie because it shows up in a sidebar ad.
Give me the URL for that ad and I'll block it right now. I haven't seen it.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:55am |
I'm assuming that Rush dropped the ball on this. (Beck, I suspect, knew what he was doing.)
Rush can fix this by denouncing Jones on his show and saying that he is working with his advertisers to keep his crap off it.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:55am |
re: #42 zombie
One wonders if Rush or Beck even vet the ads on their shows.
Speaking of which: the bizarre ads appearing on LGF based on Google's keywords and tags are pretty amusing. All sorts of pro-Obama books and videos, and other things based simply on keywords but without taking into the context or opinion about the keywords.
Hence, a post that says "Obama is a terrible president!" will get the same ads as a post that says "I love Obama forever!"
Google (and the other ads services) really has to improve their algorithms.
It depends on how the ads were purchased - Rush and Beck's shows are syndicated, so there are ads that are attached to the shows and there are ads sold by the station [I listen to Rush on his member's only feed, so I don't hear commercials, only parodies during commercial breaks.]. Rush typically does the ads for his main sponsors, for example.
So, I think Charles should make that distinction before posting, to be fair.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:34am |
re: #97 Charles
they have no control over thier adverts? now that's jsut rubbish
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:06am |
re: #99 alegrias
Purge as in "Vote the Cretins Out"
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J.S. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:09am |
re: #61 zombie
Yeah, I also sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be so much better to just turn off the tv, radio, etc. (internet too?) (Ironically, if you watch CNN, you'll probably have seen Rush Limbaugh -- CNN has been showing a clip of him exclaiming, "I'm not the extremist! They're the extremists!" CNN, does this, of course to mock him...(it's really getting insane -- then one hears a CNN letter reader reading out that Rush Limbaugh needs to be put "in jail!" -- yeah, sure -- I don't know, but it sometimes seems that the crazoids are feeding off one another and they can't be separated...as if they needone another...like a sickness...)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:22am |
The Google ads, by the way, are context-driven, and I do not have any approval over them before they run. When I see an offensive one I can block it.
But radio shows have advertising managers who choose which ads will run. It's not even remotely equivalent.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:45am |
re: #100 Charles
Give me the URL for that ad and I'll block it right now. I haven't seen it.
[Link: meanmore.com...]
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:00am |
I copied the URL [Link: meanmore.com...] it is a small ad in the ads by Google column.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:25am |
re: #107 Charles
The Google ads, by the way, are context-driven, and I do not have any approval over them before they run. When I see an offensive one I can block it.
But radio shows have advertising managers who choose which ads will run. It's not even remotely equivalent.
It's equivalent when you basically accuse Rush of endorsing Jones when it may be happening at the local station level, which he has no control of. I heard local campaign ads for unions and other democrat issues during election season during his show.
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Neutral President Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:27am |
re: #96 snowcrash
I'm sure that popped up because we discussed it in this thread and whatever dumb algorithms put in ads determined it.
The reason we get all the "Adoration of the Zero" style prayer books in the ads is because we talk about the guy constantly.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:55am |
re: #105 Iron Fist
It is hard to see where the Democrats can be called "centerist" about much of anything. Joe Leiberman is actually pretty solidly Liberal, and they still tried to run him out of office for not being Idealogically pure enough.
Nope, they tried to run him out for his support of the Iraq War. Which was at the time an unpopular conflict, withdrawal from which was supported by, again, the median voter.
Lamont was the centrist in that race. Lieberman was the right-wing aberration.
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:04:10am |
re: #104 Jewels (AKA Julian)
Purge as in "Vote the Cretins Out"
* * * *
Much better, thank you.
Although I don't trust your judgment to know the difference since you paint all GOP elected officials as "equally vile."
That is manifestly untrue. I will not forget nor defame GOP officials who voted to support defending America, defending the surge of troops in Iraq, and fighting Al Qaeda at home & abroad.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:04:39am |
re: #108 Sharmuta
Thanks, it's now on the blocked list.
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:17am |
re: #111 ArchangelMichael
Goofy thought, but I actually worried it was because I go to the links Kilgore posts to stormfront and somehow google knows it!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:21am |
re: #110 tedzilla99
It's equivalent when you basically accuse Rush of endorsing Jones...
I wrote no such thing.
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quickjustice Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:26am |
I attended the NYC Tea Party protest. NYPD estimates 12,500 attendees. I saw about twenty (20) Ron Paul supporters milling around, handing out their wacky crap. The crowd totally overwhelmed them. There's no way they can control these sheer numbers of people. They lack the numbers, and the crowd wasn't interested in their stuff.
People were bringing their own protest signs. I have pictures. I'll blog them.
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J.S. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:06:27am |
I just took a look at lgf sidebar ads, there's a Google ad for "Alex Jones and WWIII" -- and if you click the link, this comes up -- [Link: www.nostradamusonline.com...]
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:06:34am |
re: #116 Charles
There's a serious case of "putting words into the mouths of others" running amok lately.
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RedDish Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:43am |
I have to agree with some of the other comments. During the election, I heard plenty of democratic based advertising during Rush's show. I think we are seeing where all that money that was donated to the Paulbots is going. It's a free market. If you can pay for it, you can play it. Doesn't mean Rush endorses the book unless he is pitching it with his own voice.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:15am |
re: #116 Charles
I wrote no such thing.
When you say "The Ron Paul kooks are excited about their increasing legitimization." you imply that there's an endorsement at that level, why else mention his name?
You could easily have said the ads are running on station blahblah if that's not what you were implying.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:53am |
re: #27 Opinionated
A lot of crap advertised everywhere.
Can someone shut up Billy Mays?
and the shamwow guy.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:55am |
re: #118 J.S.
I just took a look at lgf sidebar ads, there's a Google ad for "Alex Jones and WWIII" -- and if you click the link, this comes up -- [Link: www.nostradamusonline.com...]
That one is blocked now too. It takes several hours for the blocking to work.
This shows you how much money is being put into this crap. Recall that Ron Paul raised many millions of dollars in his campaign, and spent very little of it. I wonder if some of that money is now being used to promote stuff like this?
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:02am |
My understanding of the radio advertising process is with nationally syndicated programs is that there are 2 levels of advertising. One is at the national level with the advertising deal done with the syndicator, in Rush's case, I guess it would be the EIB. They have certain slots every hour and the stations that syndicate the program are obligated to run those advertisements.
The other level of advertising is at the local / station level. They have certain slots every hour that they own and they can fill with with whomever they choose. I'm not sure if the syndication agreements would prevent or have some approval process. The advert, if done on the show, could very well have been part of a buy through local stations as opposed to being through the syndication organization. If the latter, then by all means we need to pressure Rush / EIB to remove it. If the former, then our outrage needs to go to both Rush / EIB and the local station....with the message to Rush to pressure the local station to drop the ad.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:31am |
re: #121 tedzilla99
When you say "The Ron Paul kooks are excited about their increasing legitimization." you imply that there's an endorsement at that level, why else mention his name?
You could easily have said the ads are running on station blahblah if that's not what you were implying.
That's just stupid. I simply pointed out that the ads were running on Rush's and Glenn Beck's shows, and the comment about the Ron Paulians is nothing more than a fact. They are excited about their increasing legitimization.
But if you really want to insist on taking offense, knock yourself out.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:43am |
By the way, I think Alex Jones is a disgusting piece of excrement, and I think Ron Paul is a nutjob, so don't misunderstand my posts.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:11:05am |
re: #113 alegrias
Fai enough. But thier comes a time when one must recognize that an organization has become diseased and sickly. While there are good Republicans and Democrats in both parties, they have both been taken over by Apparatchiks and career polticos who only care about thier own hides. Both parties Either A) need to clean house badly, or B) be voted into oblivion and allow other parties to rise.
neither of which are going to happen because A) people don't like that kind of change, B) are coasting on fond memories of the past, which do not reflect current circumstances, or C) benefit from the current set up.
I have no emotional attachment to either party and have realized that functionally, there isn't much difference between them at the federal level anymore. I only want people who have something resembling principles to get out of the decaying pestholes of those parties and try to come up witha viable alternative. Because the Repubs and Dems sure as hell wont
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:11:57am |
Beck's advertising in the sidebar too:
9 Principles - 12 Values
Show your support, we surround them Shirts, hats, buttons and more.
www.912stuff.com
What's even funnier is that this URL is dead.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:13am |
re: #124 Athos
My understanding of the radio advertising process is with nationally syndicated programs is that there are 2 levels of advertising. One is at the national level with the advertising deal done with the syndicator, in Rush's case, I guess it would be the EIB. They have certain slots every hour and the stations that syndicate the program are obligated to run those advertisements.
The other level of advertising is at the local / station level. They have certain slots every hour that they own and they can fill with with whomever they choose. I'm not sure if the syndication agreements would prevent or have some approval process. The advert, if done on the show, could very well have been part of a buy through local stations as opposed to being through the syndication organization. If the latter, then by all means we need to pressure Rush / EIB to remove it. If the former, then our outrage needs to go to both Rush / EIB and the local station....with the message to Rush to pressure the local station to drop the ad.
This is almost certainly being done at the national level. The ads are also running on Laura Ingraham's show. The kooks are targeting conservative radio, and spending a lot of money.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:14am |
re: #90 Charles
There is absolutely no excuse for running an advertisement for this garbage. It's so irresponsible it boggles the mind. It's exactly like running an ad for "Loose Change" or some other 9/11 Truther film.
This makes me sick.
I think the real question is whether Rush is allowed to address the Ron Paul Issue on his show. Does accepting an advertisement mean Rush cannot criticize the sponsor?
On another point, there are ads of varying degrees of respectability on Rush's show. If Rush is not specifically endorsing it, I have to say let the market do its thing. I didnt like Michael Moore's ads, but its all about revenue. If Michael Moore, Ron Paul can afford the advertising, let em have it.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:46am |
re: #125 Charles
That's just stupid. I simply pointed out that the ads were running on Rush's and Glenn Beck's shows, and the comment about the Ron Paulians is nothing more than a fact. They are excited about their increasing legitimization.
But if you really want to insist on taking offense, knock yourself out.
I'm not taking offense, with all due respect, but your post implies that there is an endorsement by Rush because the shows are running on his show. Unless those ads are on Rush's syndicated ads, which are run on all stations that play his show, then mentioning Rush really means nothing, since, as others have posted, the local stations can run ads purchased during his show, and Rush has no control over that.
If the ad ran during Car Repair Talk with Joe Bagadonutz, would you have posted that?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:01am |
re: #131 Eagle
I think the real question is whether Rush is allowed to address the Ron Paul Issue on his show. Does accepting an advertisement mean Rush cannot criticize the sponsor?
On another point, there are ads of varying degrees of respectability on Rush's show. If Rush is not specifically endorsing it, I have to say let the market do its thing. I didnt like Michael Moore's ads, but its all about revenue. If Michael Moore, Ron Paul can afford the advertising, let em have it.
This is not a Ron Paul advertisement. It's an ad for an Alex Jones film. Jones is a 9/11 Truther and one of the most rabidly insane conspiracy mongers in the US.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:20am |
re: #132 tedzilla99
I'm not taking offense, with all due respect, but your post implies that there is an endorsement by Rush because the shows are running on his show.
It does not.
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Neutral President Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:16:30am |
re: #131 Eagle
I think the real question is whether Rush is allowed to address the Ron Paul Issue on his show. Does accepting an advertisement mean Rush cannot criticize the sponsor?
On another point, there are ads of varying degrees of respectability on Rush's show. If Rush is not specifically endorsing it, I have to say let the market do its thing. I didnt like Michael Moore's ads, but its all about revenue. If Michael Moore, Ron Paul can afford the advertising, let em have it.
I think Rush can say whatever he wants on his show. If they want to pay him to criticize them, that's their perrogative. In Socal, the Teachers union mafia runs ads on "Conservative" radio stations all the time, and all the hosts I know take show time to refute whatever nonsense was in the commercial they just played.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:16:43am |
re: #123 Charles
That one is blocked now too. It takes several hours for the blocking to work.
This shows you how much money is being put into this crap. Recall that Ron Paul raised many millions of dollars in his campaign, and spent very little of it. I wonder if some of that money is now being used to promote stuff like this?
I'll bet it takes a pretty penny to buy airtime with Rush.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:13am |
re: #124 Athos
I know Rush has enough clout to remove this if it's being done locally across the nation. Few men could do it, but he's certainly one of them.
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leereyno Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:19am |
re: #17 Honorary Yooper
I posted this near the end of the DT, but it is relevant here.
re: #1647 So?
I disagree about not needing a leader of some sort. The patriots who started the Revolution had leadership (Adams, Hancock, etc). The civil rights movement had leaders (MLK, Jr.). Most movements throughout history have had leaders of some kind, someone to get behind. Yes, people are smart, but leaders can shape and harness that smartness into something that works and wins. Right now, Ron Paul and Alex Jones hope to be those leaders. I don't want them as our leaders. There's too many sane and normal people who showed up at those rallies yesterday. We don't need them subverted for Paul and Jones, but without leaders of our own, they may just follow Paul and Jones. Our word must get out, our voice must be heard, and we must the standard bearers.
Change will not come if we wait for some other person, or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:53am |
re: #134 Charles
It does not.
Then why mention Rush's name? It's your house and your rules, but come on. You didn't address the difference between national and local ads, which is a big distinction.
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SixDegrees Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:58am |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
From the Paulian site......
There are many conservatives willing to be duped. The Paulians are making enormous progress far beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
The ANSWERization of the tea parties is proceeding rapidly.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:08am |
re: #139 tedzilla99
Then why mention Rush's name?
Maybe because it's running on his show regardless of who sold the airtime.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:18am |
I would suggest emailing any radio program that airs one of these ads and inform the host of who is behind this film....I'm guessing that most will drop the ad.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:25am |
re: #129 Charles
This is almost certainly being done at the national level. The ads are also running on Laura Ingraham's show. The kooks are targeting conservative radio, and spending a lot of money.
Are they all syndicated on Clear Channel stations?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:40am |
re: #139 tedzilla99
Then why mention Rush's name? It's your house and your rules, but come on. You didn't address the difference between national and local ads, which is a big distinction.
No, you come on. I pointed out that the ads are running on Rush's show, and on Glenn Beck's show, and this is nothing more than a simple fact. You're reading all kinds of stuff into what I posted that I DID NOT WRITE AND DID NOT INTEND.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:00am |
re: #129 Charles
This is almost certainly being done at the national level. The ads are also running on Laura Ingraham's show. The kooks are targeting conservative radio, and spending a lot of money.
Then it needs to be exposed and countered - which includes taking it to those syndicators / shows and shining a very bright light on it. Cockroaches hate the light.
I think you maybe right in the linkage between the money raised by RP and the sudden press in advertising. Bottom feeders like him love times of turmoil when they can appeal to the disgruntled, fearful, uninformed, and frustrated to promote their agenda.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:03am |
I don't disagree that the fact that this bilge on conservative radio is disgusting. Just to be crystal clear.
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Darth Matt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:16am |
Oh noes, Charles is promoting Eco-Shoes. I know so because of the ad from Endless Shoes and Handbags on this page!?! They may sell Bruno Magli's. OJ wore those. Charles supports OJ Simpson and his reign of terror on former wives, boyfriends, and collectible's dealers!
(tongue firmly planted)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:17am |
re: #94 capitalist piglet
Do you know whether Rush's contract gives him control of precisely who is advertising during his show time across the country? That seems an important factor to consider here.
Rush isn't just a nobody working at a local station. He is a big-time, syndicated radio personality. It's only reasonable to assume that he has some kind of pull when it comes to what is advertised on his show.
I recall that he promoted Snapple pretty heavily until the brand changed hands to a company with a rather liberal politics. He stopped promoting them, and airing their commercials, and explained why on several occasions.
Giving Rush the benefit of the doubt, if these were simply ads perhaps he did not about them, but he should by now. And there is no way he doesn't know who Alex Jones is.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:41am |
Premier Radio Network (Clear Channel Communications, of San Antonio, where Glenn Beck was doing his schtick) has been pimping Alex Jones for years through their Coast to Coast AM radio show. I guess if finally dawned on them that they were missing out on big $$$ by not promoting him on their daytime shows.
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Lee Coller Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:22:00am |
re: #91 spinoneone
One should presume that Rush and Glenn have no, or almost no, control over the commercials run during their shows. That is handled, typically, by the production and advertising staffs. After all, no advertising, no show.
There already are three political ideas in this nation: far right with an admixture of various flakes; the independent/moderate/middle with a lot of people who simply can't be bothered with politics [an attitude which will bite them in the ass, sooner or later]; and, the far left, full of very flaky trail mix. At least at the Washington Tea Party I attended, most of the people present were moderate-conservative-libertarian [non-Paulian] types. It is a very tough group to meld together.
I would assume they have lots of control (especially Rush). While I don't have any first-hand knowledge, common sense would indicate that their syndication agreements would include clauses that would allow some recourse for embarrassing ads run during their programs.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:22:01am |
I just go back to what I said last night...... You are giving this Ron Paul guy too much credit. I am flat telling you that most people do not even know who he is. Seriously.
The effort you put into this guy matches the legitimacy you are bestowing upon him by this constant and deranged attention of Ron Paul.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:10am |
re: #150 freetoken
Premier Radio Network (Clear Channel Communications, of San Antonio, where Glenn Beck was doing his schtick) has been pimping Alex Jones for years through their Coast to Coast AM radio show. I guess if finally dawned on them that they were missing out on big $$$ by not promoting him on their daytime shows.
That was what I was wondering. Clear Channel has over 5,000 affiliate stations. That's mega.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:24am |
re: #135 ArchangelMichael
I think Rush can say whatever he wants on his show. If they want to pay him to criticize them, that's their perrogative. In Socal, the Teachers
unionmafia runs ads on "Conservative" radio stations all the time, and all the hosts I know take show time to refute whatever nonsense was in the commercial they just played.
That just isn't the most effective use of advert dollars!
Seriously, if I was an Alex Jones, Ron Paul type, I wouldn't want Rush making a mockery of my paid advert dollars. But I suppose that even bad publicity is still publicity.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:26am |
re: #96 snowcrash
Umm..."Loose Change the Final Cut (9-11 troofer movie) is advertised in the Google ads in the Right sidebar. I wouldn't dream of suggesting LGF endorses this movie because it shows up in a sidebar ad.
Web ads are generated by keywords, and is an entirely different mechanism than purchased/sold ad spots on radio or tv.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:42am |
re: #144 Charles
No, you come on. I pointed out that the ads are running on Rush's show, and on Glenn Beck's show, and this is nothing more than a simple fact. You're reading all kinds of stuff into what I posted that I DID NOT WRITE AND DID NOT INTEND.
I and others read the implication very clearly, but it's your house, so I defer. Enjoy your Thursday.
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ZeroGain Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:01am |
Charles, just because it's on all three doesn't mean it's national. I haven't heard this guy pimped on either show and I listed in fits and starts to all three. Yeah, I miss a lot because I work in a conservative-unfriendly location where talk-radio is "bad".
Still, I know for a fact that the local hosts don't get to approve 100% of all adds before they fly, and I know for a fact that there are local adds on all three shows when I hear them, intermixed freely with nationals. I'm sure the local station could tell you if you called and asked.
Has anyone else outside of Charles' neck of the woods heard these adds?
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:55am |
re: #143 redstateredneck
Are they all syndicated on Clear Channel stations?
I don't find a reference for Laura Ingraham at Premiere Radio Networks which is the syndicator for Rush and Beck. Also includes Hannity, Dr. Laura, and Jesse Jackson....not to mention Art Bell.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:09am |
re: #116 Charles
Reading is teh hard.
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auldtrafford Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:55am |
re: #134 Charles
With all respect, the headline on the thread, "Rush and Glenn Beck Advertising Alex Jones" makes it sound a lot like Rush and Glenn "are" [personally involved in the] advertising. The body of the comment does back away, but there is a certain implication there.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:18am |
re: #157 ZeroGain
Sorry, but Rush has the power to stop these ads from running on his show simply because he's Rush. It's possible he doesn't know about the ads, but he can stop them.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:35am |
re: #157 ZeroGain
Has anyone else outside of Charles' neck of the woods heard these adds?
I haven't, but I don't listen to every word with bated breath. I do; however, listen online on WLS and in my car on a New Orleans station, which is a Clear Channel station. I don't recall having hear it on either one, but I could have missed it, as stated earlier.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:25am |
If it makes you guys feel better to attack me for "making implications," go right ahead. Meanwhile, Alex Jones is advertising on top conservative radio shows. Some people might think that's a more appropriate target.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:49am |
re: #160 auldtrafford
Yes, Charles' headline should have read something like:
Ads on Radio being Run
[eye roll]
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:03am |
By the way, I posted this because I had two emails this morning from people who heard the ads in different parts of the country.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:17am |
re: #158 Athos
I don't find a reference for Laura Ingraham at Premiere Radio Networks which is the syndicator for Rush and Beck. Also includes Hannity, Dr. Laura, and Jesse Jackson....not to mention Art Bell.
You'd think she'd be listed....hmmm.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:09am |
re: #166 redstateredneck
Look down the left side for today's shows.
Look at the history of Premier on their site for mention of Dr. Laura.
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debutaunt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:34am |
re: #111 ArchangelMichael
I'm sure that popped up because we discussed it in this thread and whatever dumb algorithms put in ads determined it.
The reason we get all the "Adoration of the Zero" style prayer books in the ads is because we talk about the guy constantly.
That's why some of us refer to him as 0.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:44am |
re: #131 Eagle
I think the real question is whether Rush is allowed to address the Ron Paul Issue on his show. Does accepting an advertisement mean Rush cannot criticize the sponsor?
On another point, there are ads of varying degrees of respectability on Rush's show. If Rush is not specifically endorsing it, I have to say let the market do its thing. I didnt like Michael Moore's ads, but its all about revenue. If Michael Moore, Ron Paul can afford the advertising, let em have it.
What does Ron Paul have to do with it? I thought it was Alex Jones.
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Darth Matt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:21am |
re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth
Web ads are generated by keywords, and is an entirely different mechanism than purchased/sold ad spots on radio or tv.
There is a choice there also. Remove Google Adwords. Take a stand if you're going to ask someone else to do the same.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:22am |
Whoops, you said Ingraham....
One thing to note is that a CC radio station might carry a show that is not syndicated by Premier, and their are Premier shows that might run on non-CC owned stations.
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astronmr20 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:35:21am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Et tu, Rush?
I work in radio, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would be turning down ANY advertising right now.
Although I was quite surprised to hear the ads myself. Alex Jones is a stupid asshole.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:08am |
re: #170 Darth Matt
There is a choice there also. Remove Google Adwords. Take a stand if you're going to ask someone else to do the same.
Another silly comment. I block offensive ads as soon as I'm aware of them, and it's not too much to expect the same from someone like Rush Limbaugh.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:14am |
re: #166 redstateredneck
You'd think she'd be listed....hmmm.
It could be as Charles suspects....that there is a flood of money from the fringe right nutter groups, courtesy of Luap Nor, hitting multiple syndicators who have large audiences.
And as Sharm says, the talent might not know about the ads benefiting Alex Jones, but we should inform them and call on them to take action. They wouldn't tolerate Code Pink advertising - there is no reason to tolerate the equally odious from the fringe right.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:07am |
re: #169 SecondComing
My bad. I just sort of lump Ron Paul and Alex Jones into the same camp.
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Darth Matt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:01am |
re: #173 Charles
Another silly comment. I block offensive ads as soon as I'm aware of them, and it's not too much to expect the same from someone like Rush Limbaugh.
That's fine. Perhaps Rush will be asked about the ads and they will not be heard from again once he is aware of them.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:22am |
re: #174 Athos
Just trying to get to the bottom of it, but we'll never know. I will email Rush since I do listen to him regularly.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:37am |
re: #147 Darth Matt
You must have missed the post explaining the difference between web ads and radio ads.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:52am |
re: #170 Darth Matt
Registered in 2005, with only 13 comments. Your last comment before you suddenly got interested in LGF again was in 2006.
Just sayin'.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:14am |
re: #172 astronmr20
I work in radio, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would be turning down ANY advertising right now.
Although I was quite surprised to hear the ads myself. Alex Jones is a stupid asshole.
That's funny- Charles has blocked two ads this morning.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:25am |
This is Alex trying to increase his demographic now that we have a president of the other party in power. We don't need these sorts of anti gov't nutballs aboard, let the left and the libtards keep 'em.
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:37am |
Busted! This isn't Rush's regular website but it's got his name and picture all over it.
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jayzee Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:56am |
re: #163 Charles
If it makes you guys feel better to attack me for "making implications," go right ahead. Meanwhile, Alex Jones is advertising on top conservative radio shows. Some people might think that's a more appropriate target.
Charles, the headline clearly uses the active voice for Rush and Beck. In Rush's case I doubt that is the case. Nonetheless, you are entirely correct, he needs to keep his house in order and I hope, sincerely, that after he receives the ensuing notices from his listeners, he will distance himself from that freak show. I think conservative pundits and politicians need to start paying you to do some vetting for them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:47am |
re: #152 AMER1CAN
Sure, let's just ignore the fringe lunatics, pay no attention to them at all. What could possibly go wrong?
While we're at it, let's not "legitimize" Obama by paying any attention to his actions either.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:59am |
Charles, I just saw this one at your right sidebar.
[Link: www.gnmagazine.org...]
Looks like a Creationist website. Shows a monkey with its hand over its mouth.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:03am |
re: #157 ZeroGain
Has anyone else outside of Charles' neck of the woods heard these adds?
Yes, I heard one on Rush a couple of days ago. It's kind of slick though it just gives a phone number. No web address to infowars or prisonplanet. Also there is no mention of Alex Jones. I however recognized Alex Jones' voice. That guy infuriates me. He has a long history of getting behind promoting stupid and dangerous ideas. I remember at one point he was accusing Bush and his family of being satanists because Bush and family did the Texas Longhorn symbol with their hands and he was saying that it was devil horns saluting Satan. You know he had to know. What a moron.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:42am |
re: #182 redstateredneck
Busted! This isn't Rush's regular website but it's got his name and picture all over it.
I don't think that's official RL site, I think it's Paultards using his name, and the power of it as a search term as a draw. Remember all the fake "X's for Rudy, Y's for McCain, Z's for Romney" sites they threw up during the campaign that were really pro-Paul? These people are insidious slime.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:25am |
re: #156 tedzilla99
I and others read the implication very clearly, but it's your house, so I defer. Enjoy your Thursday.
In this case it's an inference, not an implication. There's a difference. You are the one doing the inferring.
/and reading is still teh hard
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redstateredneck Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:58am |
re: #187 Thanos
I sent the link to him and asked him about that, too.
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SixDegrees Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:54am |
re: #145 Athos
Then it needs to be exposed and countered - which includes taking it to those syndicators / shows and shining a very bright light on it. Cockroaches hate the light.
A good suggestion. I'd only add that it would be best to contact them (and other advertisers, perhaps) through snail mail rather than email. The Paulians have somewhat immunized themselves against criticism by their choice of venue; you can bet that the stations, etc., are deluged with a flood of hate mail on a daily basis from the likes of the DK and DU crowd, and probably have a strong ability to ignore any complaints they receive through the "easy" channels. An actual letter will always garner more attention, but particularly in this case.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:56:26am |
re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth
In this case it's an inference, not an implication. There's a difference. You are the one doing the inferring.
/and reading is still teh hard
In this case, it's your opinion. Thanks anyway. I know the difference which is why I phrased it that way...you can ignore my meaning if you want. Enjoy.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:01am |
re: #175 Eagle
My bad. I just sort of lump Ron Paul and Alex Jones into the same camp.
No problem, I understand. I just wondered if there was something I missed.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:59:16am |
re: #185 Eagle
Charles, I just saw this one at your right sidebar.
[Link: www.gnmagazine.org...]Looks like a Creationist website. Shows a monkey with its hand over its mouth.
I know. I have no objection to taking money from creationists, while relentlessly criticizing them. I draw the line at Truthers and Alex Jones.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:05:19pm |
re: #191 tedzilla99
No, son. I've got a dictionary, and I know the meaning of the words "inference" and "implication". Since you claim to know them as well, then this must be an instance of poor reading comprehension on your part.
There seems to be a lot of that going around lately.
If you'd rather play shoot the messenger while ignoring the message, knock yourself out.
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cowbellallen Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:08:30pm |
Nobody listens to the commercials anyways. I would gladly take a paycheck for it.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:11:11pm |
I feel dirty just talking about Alex Jones.
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SixDegrees Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:12:49pm |
re: #172 astronmr20
I work in radio, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would be turning down ANY advertising right now.
Although I was quite surprised to hear the ads myself. Alex Jones is a stupid asshole.
I run Firefox with AdBlock installed, so I never see web page ads on any page I visit - one of the reasons that revenue from the ads I run on my own web page is in decline.
But even though I don't see the ads, I immediately respond to any complaints from people visiting my pages by adding the offensive advertiser to my "blocked" list. I'd rather keep my visitors happy than the advertisers.
This is in complete contrast to how radio advertising works. There, ads are placed by way of a contract, which guarantees an agreed upon rate, level and time of exposure. It is extremely common to request that ads be aired during certain shows that, it is felt, will maximize returns on advertising dollars because of the audience those shows attract. I have little doubt that this is the case here, and that placement on shows like Limbaugh's, Ingram's and so forth represents a deliberate attempt to target the audience those shows draw.
In Rush's case, at least, there's no concern about "losing" any advertising revenue; if an advertiser leaves - or gets the boot - there are plenty more willing to fill that space with their own ads. And I agree that Rush can certainly put a halt to ads from any source he chooses.
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auldtrafford Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:26:26pm |
re: #198 wiffersnapper
re: #1 Sharmuta
My thoughts exactly
And let's remember, Rush wants socialism to fail. Definitely time to write that kook off.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:31:07pm |
re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth
Sure, let's just ignore the fringe lunatics, pay no attention to them at all. What could possibly go wrong?
While we're at it, let's not "legitimize" Obama by paying any attention to his actions either.
Obama is the POS. He has legitimacy and power due to the office and title he holds.
Ron Paul is just some clown from Texas. Okay, a clown Rep. from Texas.
If you think you need to pay the same amount of attention to bo bo the clown as you do our sitting President, hey knock yourself out.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:32:02pm |
re: #200 AMER1CAN
Any politician who takes money from nazis is a POS!
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:35:13pm |
re: #201 Sharmuta
Any politician who takes money from nazis is a POS!
too funny! I really meant POTUS but it just kinda came out POS! LOL Hey just roll with it!
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Ackomanyuki Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:51:09pm |
Rush, or someone, also advertizes boner pills during his show on its Pittsburgh affiliate. It just so happens that the NYC station I listen to his show online doesn't.
From my listening experiences here in the eastern US, I am having a hard time deciding if Rush Limbaugh is for or against turgidity.
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Eagle Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:51:38pm |
re: #193 Charles
I know. I have no objection to taking money from creationists, while relentlessly criticizing them. I draw the line at Truthers and Alex Jones.
But, but, but you can't show Creationist ads.... you are an anti-christian!?!?!? PG says so on her blog.
// sarc
Personally, I don't think I'd draw the line at Jones. Better his money in my hands than in his own.
: )
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:52:22pm |
re: #200 AMER1CAN
He's not just "some clown" from Texas, he's a fucking Congressman. His lunacy and unsavory connections deserve focus.
re: #201 Sharmuta
And let's not forget how he characterized the terrorist attacks of 9/11 as "blowback".
Suggesting that we pay no attention to this Congressman is just stupid.
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Silvergirl Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:00:35pm |
I'm coming out of the closet as a big non-fan of Rush Limbaugh. I have never cared for him, and his drug troubles put me over the edge into never wanting to hear him again. I did see and hear him address CPAC and was surprised at how physically large he's become. I wondered if his breathlessness means a big workload for his heart, and can't see him living to old age with that weight. I won't say anything more about him and never bring him up to people I know who love and adore and hang on his every word because I don't like bad blood, but there it is.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:03:24pm |
re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth
Absolutely, we fight him by calling him on his stupidity and noxious policies.
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tedzilla99 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:06:06pm |
re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth
Yawn...if you want to bother me, then why not send me an email? Then I can teach you where you're wrong. Either way, your opinion on here means less than nothing to me.
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Kulhwch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:06:50pm |
re: #36 Killgore TroutFrom Stormfront......
Tulsa Tea Party 4.15.09
Check out these photos of one of the Tulsa, OK tea parties of 4.15.09.
Look at all the whites, especially pics of gorgeous white women and children. This is what America used to look like.*[Link: [Link: www.outragedpatriots.com...]...]
Okay, my stomach has officially turned now. What next from the Grassroots Gestapo, the return of Sundown Towns?
}:P [* Emphasis mine.]
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rhino2 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:09:39pm |
re: #206 Silvergirl
You seem to take more issue with the man personally than you do politically. (Was addicted to pain killers, and hes FAT).
I don't know, just seems like there would be other things to foster ill-will towards someone about.
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Kulhwch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:14:24pm |
re: #70 acwgusa
We're never going to win an election again.
Not if we don't get our shit together. Especially not if we don't step up, take charge, and start pointing our party in the direction it needs to go.
}:) [Now is not the time to lament, now is the time to kick ass. Lamentations are later ... ]
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth
He's not just "some clown" from Texas, he's a fucking Congressman. His lunacy and unsavory connections deserve focus.
Suggesting that we pay no attention to this Congressman is just stupid.
Look, down here in Texas, he is a clown. Maybe he is some bigger then life character for you folks outside of Texas, I'm just telling you what most folks think of him 'round these parts. Yes, he got elected. Texas isn't perfect. But about as close as you are going to get! :)
I didn't ever suggest we pay NO attention to him. I just recommended that the proper level of attention be given based on who is he. He is a joke. A nobody. The guy is nothing more then a small fly. No need to break out the tanks and nukes if a simple water gun will work just the same.
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n2stox Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:18:06pm |
Are we really getting excited about an ADVERTISEMENT that plays on Rush and Beck?
Do they really control who buys the ad, or isn't that the stations job?
I believe it works this way:
Station buys show
Station plays show
Station sells ads during show so that it can
Buy more shows
Play more shows
Get more listeners
Sell more ads
Repeat
Jesus, does Leno have a say in what ads that station plays during his show? I'm not in the know, but I highly doubt it.
Now, if it's Rush or Beck actually doing the narrative, that's probably different.
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Kulhwch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:22:32pm |
re: #86 ArchangelMichael
Absofuckinglutely. Splitting the party into parties only diminishes it. If we couldn't stand strong before, we can't stand strong with smaller numbers yet.
These other factions are like a virus, they'll invade us and reproduce in us, and break us apart and then there will be no us.
}:) [Don't let selfish greedy factions feed on us!]
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Silvergirl Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:24:33pm |
re: #210 rhino2
You seem to take more issue with the man personally than you do politically. (Was addicted to pain killers, and hes FAT).
I don't know, just seems like there would be other things to foster ill-will towards someone about.
I said I never cared for him and his addiction issues put me over the edge. Part One, the never caring for him part had to do with his divisiveness. I think he's too sarcastic and he pretty much asks for ill will against himself. His showmanship is great for his ratings, but sometimes the entertainment part gets taken seriously and the serious stuff is taken for entertainment. Yes, some of it is personal, for instance, the sound of his voice. His weight, no. I mentioned that as an aside, that letting himself go that way cannot be healthy. I believe he works hard, has intelligence and savvy, but he brings as much hurt to the conservative cause as he brings help,
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Kulhwch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:32:18pm |
re: #97 Charles
Sorry, it's ridiculous to say they have "no control" over the ads that appear on their shows. That's simply not true.
The most they can claim is ignorance of the ad being run, especially if it was run by an affiliate and not an official ad from syndication. Hence, writing to Rush (per Sharmuta's link) is doing Rush a service by letting him know what's going on with his advertizing, and who he is [effectively] endorsing.
Since he IS the reason for the advertizing, if he can't do something about it once he's informed of it, then he's nothing, and I won't listen to him anymore.
}:) [And then he'll have another kind of ad problem ... ]
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:50:31pm |
re: #206 Silvergirl
I'm coming out of the closet as a big non-fan of Rush Limbaugh. I have never cared for him, and his drug troubles put me over the edge into never wanting to hear him again. I did see and hear him address CPAC and was surprised at how physically large he's become. I wondered if his breathlessness means a big workload for his heart, and can't see him living to old age with that weight. I won't say anything more about him and never bring him up to people I know who love and adore and hang on his every word because I don't like bad blood, but there it is.
I like Rush, but not very much. However, one of the things I like most about him is what he wrote about his drug addiction, and what he learned from his recovery. Truly human. And he just said he's lost 25 pounds recently, so if that's why you didn't like him, you should like him better now.
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Kulhwch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:15:28pm |
I don't find a reference for Laura Ingraham at Premiere Radio Networks which is the syndicator for Rush and Beck. Also includes Hannity, Dr. Laura, and Jesse Jackson....not to mention Art Bell.re: #167 freetokenLook down the left side for today's shows.
Look at the history of Premier on their site for mention of Dr. Laura.
Dr. Laura =/= Laura Ingraham.
}:) [Though as far as I'm concerned, they might as well.]
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Silvergirl Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:18:39pm |
re: #217 wrenchwench
I like Rush, but not very much. However, one of the things I like most about him is what he wrote about his drug addiction, and what he learned from his recovery. Truly human. And he just said he's lost 25 pounds recently, so if that's why you didn't like him, you should like him better now.
I've never read or heard anything from him about his thoughts on his drug addiction. For me it was all about what I perceived as someone in power doing whatever the hell they wanted, legal or not. He would have trumpeted across the country some liberal politician's illegal drug use, but it appeared that he was giving himself a pass on it, as were his fans. What did he write about his addiction?
About his weight, I'm saying again that his health suffers for it, but it doesn't factor in for me whether I care or don't care for him. For his own sake, it's good to know he's making a start at caring about it.
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n2stox Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:46:52pm |
The more I think about it, the more I think this whole thing is a non-issue.
I used to listen to Savage from 3-6 pm, then my local station moved him to 6-9 pm. does that mean he is in the radio booth from 6 until 9?
Of course not. It's a recording. Savage had no say in how the station schedules him. It's the local station that sells the ads. The same thing happened to Leykis when I listened to him, many years ago.
They have no say in the ads that local stations sell during their shows. That is up to the local station and their ad sales department. Maybe now that they're made aware of it, they can push to not have it, but it would be impossible for Rush to monitor the ad sales of each station he is syndicated on.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 6:09:24pm |
It's really odd how I've been posting for years about the "mainstreaming of the 9/11 Truth movement," and never got a single critical comment. But when I point out that one of the main Troofers in the country, Alex Jones, is now advertising on top conservative radio programs, suddenly a whole lot of people can see nothing wrong with it and want to excuse it.
Odd.
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Tom on the Rez Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:53:02pm |
Gotta call B.S. on this one, Charles (as far as Rush endorsing it). Some local markets may be playing weird-ass ads during the blanks assigned to the local stations, but that crap's not advertised here or in Chicago (where I listen on the internet). Dave Ramsey is another nationally syndicated radio host who complains about the local ads that get associated with his show, and has no control over them.
As for Glenn Beck, I don't know, and I guess I don't care. Some folks aren't worth bothering with. Ignore him. His mother was a hamster, and his father smelled of elderberries.
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Jamfish Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:25pm |
Listeners need to call in and complain; with such broad syndication, I'm guessing he's not aware.
Ugh... Alex Jones turns my stomach.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:50pm |
re: #222 Tom on the Rez
Gotta call B.S. on this one, Charles (as far as Rush endorsing it).
Please quote the part where I said Rush "endorsed" the ads.
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Powderfinger Sat, Apr 18, 2009 6:46:45am |
re: #144 Charles
No, you come on. I pointed out that the ads are running on Rush's show, and on Glenn Beck's show, and this is nothing more than a simple fact. You're reading all kinds of stuff into what I posted that I DID NOT WRITE AND DID NOT INTEND.
You do, in your comments, seems to be insisting that Beck and Limbaugh are disgracefully complicit in running the ads, when it isn't at all clear that they are. The fact that they're running on Ingrahm's show too means that they're running on (gasp!) conservative talk stations. That doesn't tell us who's selling the space and whether it's local or not.
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Pastorius Sat, Apr 18, 2009 8:35:42am |
Back when Clinton was President, Limbaugh advertised a video series put out by some nutball whose name I can not recall, which claimed Clinton had had more than 100 of his friends die "under mysterious and violent circumstances"; the implication being that Clinton had had them rubbed out.
Back in those days, I was pretty much a Leftie. And, predictably, I was disgusted by Limbaugh's willingness to accept such advertisers.
But, you know what? I am no less disgusted by it now.
I'm with you on this one, Charles.
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ISraelite Sat, Apr 18, 2009 10:45:34am |
A question about American law: Are they allowed to refuse an advertiser "just because"?
And Charles, English is a second language to me, but I also read it as if you think Rush and Glenn are active in this. Reading again, after reading your comment, it becomes clearer. Still..
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