“Judge” Andrew Napolitano is at it again, legitimizing some of the worst people in American politics on his Fox News online show. This time around, he’s pimping for Ron Paul and racialist paleocon Lew Rockwell. Fox News, way off the rails again.
This is the first of six videos.
(Hat tip: Killgore, who discovered the video posted at neo-Nazi website Stormfront.)
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:45:52am |
I’ve thought of fox as a moby news network for a few years now, and they just keep confirming my opinion. They are now a parody of themselves. Sad.
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mph Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:46:04am |
The judge has got to go…time to at least write a letter to Fox News.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:47:29am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
I’ve thought of fox as a moby news network for a few years now, and they just keep confirming my opinion. They are now a parody of themselves. Sad.
Fox seems to be returning to their pre-9/11 roots of being the National Enquirer of cable TV news.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:03am |
Shhhhhh. It’s not really happening. They don’t exist. The Tea Parties and fox news are happy places filled with sane people. There are no crazies. Shhhhhh…..
/
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:07am |
re: #1 Sharmuta
I’ve thought of fox as a moby news network for a few years now, and they just keep confirming my opinion. They are now a parody of themselves. Sad.
Intersting: Can an entire network be a Moby? Possibly.
I think that leftists succesfully infiltrated the back end of Fox and now do all sorts of things to subtly undermine its credibility. In the guise of courting paleocons. I think giving Huckabee his own show was the moment they jumped the shark.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:47am |
Heh. I saw the headline and thought “Janet Napolitano? WTF?”
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:48:54am |
Sorry, bringing this over from the overnight thread, as just one more symptom of right wing media hysteria.
CNS is all bent because Obama supposedly asked Georgetown U. to “cover over the name of Jesus” before a speech.
It’s all lies and distortions, not surprisingly.
Georgetown University says it covered over the monogram “IHS”—symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ—because it was inscribed on a pediment on the stage where President Obama spoke at the university on Tuesday and the White House had asked Georgetown to cover up all signs and symbols there.
CNS is full of shit, as usual.
“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, the motto adopted by Constantine after he saw the chi-rho before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge AD 312, which caused him to convert to Christianity. It is the sign of Imperial state religion. Nothing wrong with that, historically speaking, but we are (supposedly) not an empire and (supposedly) not about establishing a religion. And that doesn’t even seem to be the reason, since GU was asked to cover all symbols. Maybe the White House wanted only the American flag.
Get a grip.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:29am |
Here comes the Judge? Hum, he would be more appropriate on “Laugh In”.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:49:56am |
re: #5 lawhawk
It’s the growing nexus of frakking lunacy.
And right now, the loons are getting the attention. They are dominating the discussion, and we seem either to be silent or have yet to speak up. It is high time we remarginalized the loons. They anger me as much as the Obama administration and Pelosi’s Congress. Too many fucking loons dominating the conversation and not enough of us sane folks speaking up and puting a stop to this bullshit.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:50:32am |
So who’s running Fox News these days?
Personally I watch very little TV so I haven’t seen any of this other than what I see here at LGF via Youtube….but it doesn’t look good.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:28am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
By the same token, prior administrations had no problem speaking or holding events on the campus and didn’t require covering up any such symbology or imagery. It’s a Jesuit campus, and one expects such iconography there. This WH apparently had a problem with including any such imagery and icons that would distract from the message.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:32am |
re: #11 Honorary Yooper
And right now, the loons are getting the attention. They are dominating the discussion, and we seem either to be silent or have yet to speak up. It is high time we remarginalized the loons. They anger me as much as the Obama administration and Pelosi’s Congress. Too many fucking loons dominating the conversation and not enough of us sane folks speaking up and puting a stop to this bullshit.
The way I look at it, let them make fools of themselves for the time being. The real fight starts about 1 year before the next elections. Of course I could be wrong?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:54am |
re: #8 Fat Jolly Penguin
Heh. I saw the headline and thought “Janet Napolitano? WTF?”
LOL. That was my first thought as well.
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Tumulus11 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:51:55am |
. Fox News - boldly leading the march into the political wilderness.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:52:14am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:53:01am |
re: #7 zombie
Intersting: Can an entire network be a Moby? Possibly.
I think that leftists succesfully infiltrated the back end of Fox and now do all sorts of things to subtly undermine its credibility. In the guise of courting paleocons. I think giving Huckabee his own show was the moment they jumped the shark.
I question if they were ever “right-wing” to begin with.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:53:28am |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:53:34am |
re: #18 harrylook
At least Fox has hot chicks.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but sometimes, hot chicks aren’t enough.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:53:51am |
re: #14 Nevergiveup
The way I look at it, let them make fools of themselves for the time being. The real fight starts about 1 year before the next elections. Of course I could be wrong?
Given the amount of energy the loons have right now, it is entirely possible they could burn themselves out by then, but I have been wrong before.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:03am |
re: #7 zombie
Intersting: Can an entire network be a Moby? Possibly.
I think that leftists succesfully infiltrated the back end of Fox and now do all sorts of things to subtly undermine its credibility. In the guise of courting paleocons. I think giving Huckabee his own show was the moment they jumped the shark.
To a FNC exec, they probably look at the ratings and see these things as being ‘fair and balanced’ since they have given an obvious nutter a platform to promote his agenda and the vile nimrods that share the agenda.
They are driven by ratings and advertising revenues. Just as they castigate CNN and MSNBC for their bias, and particularly MSNBC / NBC for their sharp left turn to appeal to the nutters on the left, FNC is a perfect example of hypocrisy now is appealing to the nutters on the right’s fringe.
Unless there is a real outrage, they will not change unless the ratings and money starts to disappear. They will continue to provide their commentators with little editorial control. All we can do is vote with our money and viewing habits and expose the loons for what they are.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:10am |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but sometimes, hot chicks aren’t enough.
Yeah but it doesn’t hurt.
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:19am |
re: #11 Honorary Yooper
And right now, the loons are getting the attention. They are dominating the discussion, and we seem either to be silent or have yet to speak up. It is high time we remarginalized the loons. They anger me as much as the Obama administration and Pelosi’s Congress. Too many fucking loons dominating the conversation and not enough of us sane folks speaking up and puting a stop to this bullshit.
That’s because leftists dominate the media and they purposely give a soapbox to right-wing loons so as to discredit non-loony conservatives.
Just yet one more example of the Gramscian takeover and strategy of the MSM.
We have to fight to regain some control over the media, because that is how any and all messages get promulgated. That is the root of the problem.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:44am |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Shhhhhh. It’s not really happening. They don’t exist. The Tea Parties and fox news are happy places filled with sane people. There are no crazies. Shhhhhh…..
/
KT - Excuse me for breathing, but I was at a tea party, and didn’t see crazies.
In some places, there were, but not where I was, and I’m a little tired of you lumping me in with nazis.
Ease up just a touch, will you?
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:45am |
re: #10 Nevergiveup
Here comes the Judge? Hum, he would be more appropriate on “Laugh In”.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:54:48am |
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:35am |
They’re still preferable to the other cable news outlets, but still are becoming more unwatchable by the day.
At least I can tune in to baseball now.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:36am |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but sometimes, hot chicks aren’t enough.
It’s kinda like that saying: Money isn’t everyting but it’s way ahead of anything in second place? And if I am not mistaken, hot chicks are in second place?
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PatriotLizardoid Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:41am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
I agree. Had Obama been caught with Messianic imagery around himself, he would have been pilloried as a narcissist who equates himself with Jesus.
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Last Mohican Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:45am |
re: #23 Athos
There’s no such thing as bad publicity, right?
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:52am |
A lot of libertarian paranoia around LFG these last few days.
THEY’RE EVERYWHERE!
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vxbush Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:55:55am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
Sorry, bringing this over from the overnight thread, as just one more symptom of right wing media hysteria.
CNS is all bent because Obama supposedly asked Georgetown U. to “cover over the name of Jesus” before a speech.
It’s all lies and distortions, not surprisingly.
CNS is full of shit, as usual.
“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, the motto adopted by Constantine after he saw the chi-rho before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge AD 312, which caused him to convert to Christianity. It is the sign of Imperial state religion. Nothing wrong with that, historically speaking, but we are (supposedly) not an empire and (supposedly) not about establishing a religion. And that doesn’t even seem to be the reason, since GU was asked to cover all symbols. Maybe the White House wanted only the American flag.
Get a grip.
People do not know the culture or the Latin. So they have no clue.
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harrylook Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:05am |
Seriously, I have access to ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, BBC. Are any of these worth watching for news?
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:53am |
re: #36 harrylook
Seriously, I have access to ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, BBC. Are any of these worth watching for news?
No.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:56:56am |
re: #36 harrylook
Seriously, I have access to ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, BBC. Are any of these worth watching for news?
What’s the word I’m looking for…oh yeah…NO
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Land Shark Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:05am |
Didn’t Ron Paul receive all kinds of campaign contributions from the Stormfront crowd and their fellow “white nationalist” types during his run for President and never gave the money back nor make an effort to distance himself? Things that make you go “Mmmmmmm.”
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:12am |
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:14am |
On a side note Peter Schiff made a lot of sense.
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zombie Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:24am |
re: #36 harrylook
Seriously, I have access to ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, BBC. Are any of these worth watching for news?
No TV channel is worth watching. Period. (At least in my opinion.)
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Spartacus50 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:33am |
Sadly, LGF is truly the last source of honest and objective reporting.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:57:46am |
re: #11 Honorary Yooper
And right now, the loons are getting the attention. They are dominating the discussion, and we seem either to be silent or have yet to speak up. It is high time we remarginalized the loons. They anger me as much as the Obama administration and Pelosi’s Congress. Too many fucking loons dominating the conversation and not enough of us sane folks speaking up and puting a stop to this bullshit.
Well, that’s real easy when someone I like a lot (KT) is all but calling me a nazi.
If we can’t gather to speak, we’re doomed. If we are worried that our friends are going to turn away from us, or accuse us of vileness, then the only people left gathering and speaking will be vile.
There’s got to be a happy medium.
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Last Mohican Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:02am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:23am |
I don’t watch any of the cable news channels (unless there’s some disaster going on), so I’m glad I missed this crap.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:34am |
re: #25 zombie
That’s because leftists dominate the media and they purposely give a soapbox to right-wing loons so as to discredit non-loony conservatives.
Just yet one more example of the Gramscian takeover and strategy of the MSM.
We have to fight to regain some control over the media, because that is how any and all messages get promulgated. That is the root of the problem.
Then we have a goal and a mission. How do we get control of the message?
The only way I see how is to buy our own network, but that’s damn expensive. We need to get our message out, and the internet, as much as we like it, is not enough by itself. Failing newspapers maybe? Take them over and convert them? We could also get folks to create talk radio shows in order to push out the loons. TV, however, would be the best option.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:46am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:58:52am |
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Lynn B. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:17am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:35am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:42am |
re: #48 Ben Hur
FOXNEWS died with Anna Nicole Smith.
True.
(But for me personally, it was the morning Fox & Friends had on Ted Danson and Nancy Pelosi. I can watch any network for that crap.)
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:42am |
When I ask my Jewish friends and relatives why they continue to support the Dems instead of at least considering moving to the right side of the political aisle, they cite the “right wing crazies” as their reason for staying put. If the Republicans ever expect to make major inroads with the Jewish voters, they need to repudiate these extremist loons, not embrace them.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 10:59:45am |
re: #51 Nevergiveup
He was a Judge here in NJ
“Mr. Soprano, I hereby find you not guilty, on all charges.”
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:01am |
re: #46 Dianna
There’s got to be a happy medium.
I vile tell you your fortune, for free, hahahahah, I’m happy.
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:01am |
re: #50 Honorary Yooper
Then we have a goal and a mission. How do we get control of the message?
The only way I see how is to buy our own network, but that’s damn expensive. We need to get our message out, and the internet, as much as we like it, is not enough by itself. Failing newspapers maybe? Take them over and convert them? We could also get folks to create talk radio shows in order to push out the loons. TV, however, would be the best option.
What exactly is your message?
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:02am |
re: #41 Ward Cleaver
Didn’t he used to be a judge?
I thought so.
Saw the “….” around Judge. Thought I’d ask.
Was never a fan to begin with.
I DVR Special report and fast foward to Brit Hume, Grapevine, and the panel.
ANd I only watch Barnes and The Krauthammer on the panel.
I don’t understand the Beck thing and never watch him because I’m at work when he’s on.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:44am |
re: #27 Dianna
KT - Excuse me for breathing, but I was at a tea party, and didn’t see crazies.
In some places, there were, but not where I was, and I’m a little tired of you lumping me in with nazis.
Ease up just a touch, will you?
There are dozens of threads on stormfront about the Tea Parties. They had a poll last night and something like 60-70% of stormfront readers said they attended their local Tea Parties yesterday. If you read the Stormfront threads there’s a good chance that you will find a stormfront member attending the same Tea Party that you went to. You are free to associate with whoever you want to but don’t blame me for pointing it out.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:00:44am |
Saudi prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, who is an investment tycoon and chairman of the Kingdom Holding Company, said in an interview with Charlie Rose that he had about a 6-7% stake in News Corp.
Hmmm.
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harrylook Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:08am |
Here’s an oldie-but-goodie on the “judge”. This smackdown was so good - I never forgot it.
[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]
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Land Shark Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:31am |
re: #39 Nevergiveup
I don’t watch or listen to any of them. You can find out what they say and much more on the ‘Net. Heck, I get more real news here at LGF than I ever did when I used to watch those. What’s distressing is the amount of people who think the BBC, PBS and/or NPR are honest, impartial news sources. Nothing like a nice haughty attitude while reading the news to fool people.
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Last Mohican Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:01:45am |
re: #36 harrylook
Seriously, I have access to ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, MSNBC, BBC. Are any of these worth watching for news?
I aggressively avoid resorting to any television station for my news. Because (1) every single last one of them is wildly biased in some direction or another, (2) stories are almost always dumbed down so much that I feel like I haven’t actually learned anything, and (3) the bandwidth is just too low. It’s must faster to read something on the internet than it is to wait for some talking head to get to the story that interests me, then listen while he or she slowly talks about it, wait for the next commercial to end, and then see if he or she finishes the story in sufficient detail.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:02:15am |
re: #59 Walter L. Newton
I vile tell you your fortune, for free, hahahahah, I’m happy.
Time for the “?!” button?
I lost that, and I’m up to quota for coffee.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:02:28am |
How long before Fox picks up Howard Beale?
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:02:54am |
re: #59 Walter L. Newton
I vile tell you your fortune, for free, hahahahah, I’m happy.
What do you call a clairvoyant midget who escaped from prison?
A small medium at large.
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Land Shark Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:06am |
re: #43 zombie
I hear ‘ya. If it ain’t NFL Network I ain’t watching! ;-)
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:29am |
re: #71 Dustyvet
What do you call a clairvoyant midget who escaped from prison?
A small medium at large.
That’s the long and short of it.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:38am |
re: #60 ellcon
What exactly is your message?
The message here on LGF. The pro-science, fiscal conservative message that is post-9/11 in outlook and promotes individual liberty and freedom.
Most of us seem to espouse that.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:39am |
re: #68 Dianna
Time for the “?!” button?
I lost that, and I’m up to quota for coffee.
I will trying to be a little funny, a “happy medium” you said, I was trying to be a “happy medium” (as in fortune teller)… sorry, fell flat.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:03:44am |
re: #70 taxfreekiller
3 wood
Get back to me on why Fidility National Fin. aka Fidility Title has to or is forced to need to go for $1.1 B stock offering just now.
Bill Foley is married into a big Texas ranch family from near Amarillo Tx.
big on bullying acquiring other title underwriters .Has gone all Montana ranch, gone way into big land dev. deals on forest lands. Ski resort. They claim they have diversified but, they do title ins. and called appraisal companies, flood ins companies, hazard ins companies diversifying…paid himself $180,000,000 last year.
he is big on his personal ranch deal in Montana, fly’s big jets and ya
got out of West Point in 1967 and ended up in Was. State reviewing
Air Force contracts and not getting his ass shot at like the other grads
that year from West Point.like that, its odd timing tfk thinks.
“Big Texas ranch family” - you don’t mean like Stanley Marsh 3, do you?
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:04:07am |
I posted this downstairs, but it’s appropriate here since we’re talking about Fox.
Did anybody see Dennis Miller on O’Reilly last night? I usually like his comments, but he was completely off the rails last night. Somehow he managed to make the piracy problem into a joke about Gibbs doing a press conference wearing an eyepatch with a parrot on his shoulder saying “Somali want a cracker.”
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:04:13am |
re: #74 Honorary Yooper
The message here on LGF. The pro-science, fiscal conservative message that is post-9/11 in outlook and promotes individual liberty and freedom.
Most of us seem to espouse that.
What Yooper said, a big upding to that!
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:24am |
re: #74 Honorary Yooper
The message here on LGF. The pro-science, fiscal conservative message that is post-9/11 in outlook and promotes individual liberty and freedom.
Most of us seem to espouse that.
Don’t forget the Jew Tax.
Or the Zionist Payroll we all benefit from.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:29am |
re: #72 Land Shark
I hear ‘ya. If it ain’t NFL Network I ain’t watching! ;-)
Or SPEED, at least for My Classic Car, Dream Car Garage, or ALMS or F1 racing.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:40am |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
There are dozens of threads on stormfront about the Tea Parties. They had a poll last night and something like 60-70% of stormfront readers said they attended their local Tea Parties yesterday. If you read the Stormfront threads there’s a good chance that you will find a stormfront member attending the same Tea Party that you went to. You are free to associate with whoever you want to but don’t blame me for pointing it out.
KT, I’m not reading stormfront - it’s admirable that you have the stomach for it, but I don’t.
If one of them was at the San Jose tea party, he/she was not identifiable.
What am I supposed to do, exactly? It’s free speech for everyone, or do you disagree? Or am I supposed to descend into paralysis?
You’re not “pointing it out” any more. You’re condemning each and every one of us who attended - who objects to what congress and the administration are doing - as nazis or kooks.
That isn’t helping.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:43am |
re: #77 Who Watches the Watchmen?
I posted this downstairs, but it’s appropriate here since we’re talking about Fox.
Did anybody see Dennis Miller on O’Reilly last night? I usually like his comments, but he was completely off the rails last night. Somehow he managed to make the piracy problem into a joke about Gibbs doing a press conference wearing an eyepatch with a parrot on his shoulder saying “Somali want a cracker.”
That would’ve made me throw my TV over the side. As someone who sails for a living, people making jokes about piracy belittle the problem to the point of obscurity.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:45am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:49am |
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Lynn B. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:05:54am |
re: #19 Sharmuta
I question if they were ever “right-wing” to begin with.
Once upon a time, they were. I didn’t start watching until 2002 when we finally got cable but in the aftermath of 911 they were the only network with good, solid, non-apologetic coverage of the war on Islamic extremism. Then the fluff started. Actually, even before Anna Nicole they obsessed over the Natalie Holloway story and a few others that (thankfully) I can no longer remember, and around the same time their mid-east coverage started sounding more and more like CNN. Feh!
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PatriotLizardoid Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:06:33am |
I heard Glenn Beck on my local radio station this morning 570 WSYR using portions of an audio interview with Marcus Lattrell about his dog “Dasy”. To my horror it turned out to be a promo spot for Purina One.
“Marcus loved Dasy. You love your dog. So feed them… Purina One.”
Asshat
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:06:59am |
Hey kiddies! Judge Napolitano seems to be embracing some odd ducks lately. Wonder what happened.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:01am |
re: #84 taxfreekiller
untruthing just does not happen
untruthing requires a plan
untruthing becomes after a time unbecoming
Phew! You’re back! Thought we’d lost you there for a second around #70.
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KingKenrod Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:17am |
The Paulians are showing up on MSNBC too and complaining about the GOP co-opting their tea parties
As conservatives coalesce in nationwide protests against rising taxes, government spending and what they call the “bailout mentality” of President Barack Obama’s Administration, the ship appears to have sprung a leak.
Speaking on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow show Tuesday evening, Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-TX) media coordinator Steve Gordon decried what he characterized as an attempt by mainstream conservative Republicans to hijack a long-cherished libertarian cause. Paul was a longshot candidate for the Republican presidential nomination last year.
Gordon brought Maddow a gift of Southern tea bags — using them as a metaphor for what he said was a Southern version of conservatism, sweetened by taxes and deficit spending.
Gordon singled out former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Georgia native, and Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.
“Newt Gingrich is a good example,” Gordon said. “He could be one of these two tea bags because he likes his tea bags sweetened with TARP [Troubled Asset Relief Program] funding. This other one could be Mike Huckabee, ‘Tax Hike Mike’ because he likes his tea bag sweetened with tax increases. So you see we’ve got a bunch of republican, senior Republican officials in the deep south who can’t tell if their tea bags are swinging from the left or the right.”
Last year, supporters of Paul’s presidential campaign tried to fly a blimp to Boston, where they planned to dump tea in the Boston harbor.
The media coordinator for the Texas Republican says that Republicans have “co-opted” their message.
“Newt Gingrich of all people should not be involved in any movement to decrease deficit spending,” Gordon quipped.
Gordon spoke about a specific Alabama protest event where the conservative 501 (c)(3) Freedom Works tried to set up a rally in Birmingham where “nobody showed up,” but said that his own rally was more successful.
“It’s important the people at the grassroots level stick to our guns and say no when they try to co-opt our message,” Gordon said.
Gordon told The Washington Independent Tuesday, “Bringing in someone like Gingrich takes away from the message. Newt Gingrich enabled George W. Bush, he enabled the big spending, he lobbied conservative Republicans to compromise their principles and support Medicare Part D.”
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:22am |
re: #88 PatriotLizardoid
I heard Glenn Beck on my local radio station this morning 570 WSYR using portions of an audio interview with Marcus Lattrell about his dog “Dasy”. To my horror it turned out to be a promo spot for Purina One.
“Marcus loved Dasy. You love your dog. So feed them… Purina One.”
Asshat
Radio shows do that, though. You always hear Rush Limbaughs voice used to peddle something or other. He has to pay the bills somehow.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:24am |
Speaking of that Stormfront poll…..
Did you go to the Tea Party?
Yes 80 57.55%
No 19 13.67%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 40 28.78%
The thread includes this comment……
Just came back from the Tea Party in my local area.The crowd was largely older middle class Whites in this overwhelmingly White area.
No ACORN/Leftist protesters showed up at all, and no identifiable neocon politicians or Fox News scum showed at this local event either.
The “devils” were not present on the field today, so it really limited our local opportunity to take this event much farther. Damn.I was wearing an anti-illegal immigration shirt which many of these folks commented positively aboout. “I love that shirt!” was hear often. Others who were less confident said “Did anybody say anything about your shirt?”, and when I told them that I got so many compliments that I wished I was selling these shirts, they then admitted that they were glad I was standing up on the illegal immigration issue. In other words, these folks agreed with the shirt but didn’t want to come out publicly unless other folks were supportive and they weren’t calling me a racist.
My suggestions for pushing the envelope were good, but they have to be balanced with the tactical circumstances. No obvious anti-White enemy on the field to galvanize the crowd against really limits your ability to push things beyond one-on-one conversations. To push things with the demographic in these crowds, you need the bad guys to show up. In my area, they didn’t show. In other Tea Party events across the nation, perhaps the tactical situation and thus opportunity was different.
How the media covers this will be interesting. So far, the freshest Tea Party coverage and commentary hasn’t shown any spark-ups and shoutdowns or more yet. The mass media trash talk about a Tea Party “agenda” however is not a bad thing. A badmouthing media attack and any kind of mass ruckus at these Tea Parties against Leftists and/or neocons would be wonderfuly polarizing and radicalizing…it might knock the dust and cobwebs off of a lot of these middle class White Tea Party attendees.
It would be very good to hear from other SFers who went to Tea Party events where Leftists and /or neocon politicians and Fox News showed up at.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:43am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
I’m out of it, evidently. Oh, well. I’m dense, or something!
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:43am |
re: #74 Honorary Yooper
The message here on LGF. The pro-science, fiscal conservative message that is post-9/11 in outlook and promotes individual liberty and freedom.
Most of us seem to espouse that.
Other than pro-science (which is a tough sell to the current GOP fundamentalist base), that sounds like the message being espoused on Fox News and at the tea parties.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:07:58am |
re: #88 PatriotLizardoid
I heard Glenn Beck on my local radio station this morning 570 WSYR using portions of an audio interview with Marcus Lattrell about his dog “Dasy”. To my horror it turned out to be a promo spot for Purina One.
“Marcus loved Dasy. You love your dog. So feed them… Purina One.”
Asshat
Zero class. I’d like to see Luttrell kick his ass.
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:06am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
Sorry, bringing this over from the overnight thread, as just one more symptom of right wing media hysteria.
CNS is all bent because Obama supposedly asked Georgetown U. to “cover over the name of Jesus” before a speech.
It’s all lies and distortions, not surprisingly.
CNS is full of shit, as usual.
“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, the motto adopted by Constantine after he saw the chi-rho before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge AD 312, which caused him to convert to Christianity. It is the sign of Imperial state religion. Nothing wrong with that, historically speaking, but we are (supposedly) not an empire and (supposedly) not about establishing a religion. And that doesn’t even seem to be the reason, since GU was asked to cover all symbols. Maybe the White House wanted only the American flag.
Get a grip.
* * * *
Maybe the White House shouldn’t take over a Church building across the Potomac River to have a photo opportunity, when the Islamic Center of Washington is closer to the White House, and I’m sure will remove any offensive symbolism.
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jdog29 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:22am |
I think these protests will continue to get caracatured in a systematic and methodic strategy to delegitimize them.
As the literal groundswell against spending and printing literally trillions of dollars continues to grow and cross over all every demographic, their legitamacy will be impossible to deny.
It looked very obvious how no one cared who was and was not pro-life, pro-gun, pro-same sex marriage, pro-school vouchers, pro-evolution, etc. etc. This sounds and looks like the movement most LGF posters have been hoping would occur.
Then again, maybe the whole thing is just an illusion. We’ll know soon enough.
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:24am |
re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
From Real for you: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Last Mohican Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:08:37am |
I think that Fox News, like both major political parties and basically every other news outlet, is coming to realize that pandering to the most extreme elements of their viewership is the way to keep ratings up and ad revenue flowing.
Rational, critical people who want balanced reporting may watch TV news for half an hour a day at most. But rabidly partisan, paranoid, angry people will stay tuned to FNC all day long, if you keep feeding them propaganda that feeds their fantasies. Of course CNN and MSNBC are the same way — glazed-over Obamabots will keep watching all day long if they keep seeing stories about the glory of Obama and how the world is wonderful now that he has been elected, and how the evil Republicans are trying to ruin the world. It’s like watching a football game. It makes them feel good.
More ominously, both American political parties, for similar reasons, now find no use for the rational, moderate middle, except to the extent that they can radicalized and turned into more loyal and more generously donating extremist party members.
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KingKenrod Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:09:13am |
re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey kiddies! Judge Napolitano seems to be embracing some odd ducks lately. Wonder what happened.
Fear of an Obama planet? It’s radicalizing.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:09:23am |
re: #95 ellcon
Other than pro-science (which is a tough sell to the current GOP fundamentalist base), that sounds like the message being espoused on Fox News and at the tea parties.
“BURN THE BOOKS”
/s
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:09:47am |
re: #91 KingKenrod
The Paulians are showing up on MSNBC too and complaining about the GOP co-opting their tea parties
WAAAAAAAAAH! Suck it, Paulians. The tea party in Fort Worth, where Gov. Perry spoke, was organized by the Tarrant County GOP.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:02am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:03am |
re: #94 Dianna
I’m out of it, evidently. Oh, well. I’m dense, or something!
I’ll try one more time. You used the phrase “happy medium.” I was playing with the word “medium” as in physic, fortune teller etc.
So, I said “I’ll tell you your fortune for free, hahahaha, I’m happy.”
With me yet? HAPPY MEDIUM?
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PatriotLizardoid Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:14am |
re: #92 Hengineer
I see your point, but it just struck me as ‘off’ and considering he has more money than God, maybe he could have just left that particular topic alone.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:22am |
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:10:35am |
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:11:13am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:11:23am |
re: #82 Dianna
I get a lot of requests to stop posting about this. A lot of people are angry at me for pointing this out. That’s not my problem. I will continue to follow racist and Paulian involvement in the Tea Parties as long as they are involved.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:11:45am |
re: #93 Killgore Trout
The 40 who couldn’t go had cars up on blocks. So, no transportation.
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:11am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks! Any news?
Yes! great news.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:28am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:36am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:49am |
Since we’re talking about Fox, I’d like to bring this up again:
The staff of Fox’s “Glenn Beck” show is used to a fair share of theatrics from the self-proclaimed “rodeo clown” host. (See when he simulated dousing a guest with gasoline.) That could explain why nobody initially moved when Beck’s guest, Columbia professor David Buckner, passed out during Monday’s interview.
Buckner, who was discussing the causes of bankruptcy when he lost consciousness, is reported to be doing fine, and even later had the energy to apologize to Beck for the scene. Beck responded, in typical Beck-ian fashion:
“Are you kidding me? The ratings will go through the roof!”
What a classy guy.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:53am |
Did anyone else see on Fox News that Obama’s taking the Bush stance on some of the Git’mo detainees?
/wait for DU/Kos/Moveon fallout
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:57am |
re: #104 Hengineer
“BURN THE BOOKS”
/s
Good call, I still don’t understand how fundamentalism and libertarianism mix.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:05am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:28am |
Another Stormfront comment…..
I ended up going with my mother, so I couldn’t pass out any WN literature (Whine Nationalist -ed), but it was a good thing to observe. I actually went to two (Camden and Rome NY). Most of the people at the Camden one were neocon Christian supremacists (I’m not trying to offend anybody, but in the end we’re all white). I’d say only half were the neocon type at the Rome party , a lot of militia people,but both events were 99% white.
Lol
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:39am |
re: #7 zombie
Intersting: Can an entire network be a Moby? Possibly.
I think that leftists succesfully infiltrated the back end of Fox and now do all sorts of things to subtly undermine its credibility. In the guise of courting paleocons. I think giving Huckabee his own show was the moment they jumped the shark.
Huckabee is filler for weekend time slots that they can’t sell anyway. Notice that they run the same show on both Sat. & Sun. nights. Same with Geraldo, more dead time to fill.
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KingKenrod Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:46am |
re: #86 Ward Cleaver
Gah!
What’s Redeye?
It’s Fox’s overnight show. Usually pretty entertaining.
They gather together 3-4 random guests (kind of like Politically Incorrect) and bs about the news.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:13:55am |
re: #119 pink freud
*Little chill* *Big smile*
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:03am |
re: #124 ellcon
Good call, I still don’t understand how fundamentalism and libertarianism mix.
Makes no sense to me either, except they are both Far Right extremists, just in different directions?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:20am |
re: #122 Sharmuta
Since we’re talking about Fox, I’d like to bring this up again:
What a classy guy.
Hey, if he’d use Marcus Luttrell’s murdered therapy dog to sell dog food…
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Kenneth Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:31am |
re: #124 ellcon
Good call, I still don’t understand how fundamentalism and libertarianism mix.
They meet at Paranoia Central.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:32am |
re: #131 KingKenrod
It’s Fox’s overnight show. Usually pretty entertaining.
They gather together 3-4 random guests (kind of like Politically Incorrect) and bs about the news.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
Ah, okay.
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Last Mohican Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:14:32am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
CNS is full of shit, as usual.“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus
I knew that. And I’m not even Christian.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:12am |
re: #123 Hengineer
Did anyone else see on Fox News that Obama’s taking the Bush stance on some of the Git’mo detainees?
/wait for DU/Kos/Moveon fallout
Just read somewhere that Holder went to FISA Court (or some other secret court) to re-up the surveillance program. I’m not surprised. Things probably look a bit different now that the Obama administration is no longer looking in from the outside.
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J.D. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:30am |
re: #138 Dustyvet
Has Realwest checked in today?
See pink freud’s links a little ways up.
He got very good news at the doctor!
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:56am |
re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
*Little chill* *Big smile*
Me too. Nice.
The thread is peppered with Real’s posts after that first link, if you have time later to go back and peruse. You can feel the relief and exuberance. Made my day.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:15:57am |
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:16:12am |
re: #139 Creeping Eruption
Just read somewhere that Holder went to FISA Court (or some other secret court) to re-up the surveillance program. I’m not surprised. Things probably look a bit different now that the Obama administration is no longer looking in from the outside.
Its kind of fun, actually, to watch him turn his back on his previous stances and followers.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:16:36am |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I get a lot of requests to stop posting about this. A lot of people are angry at me for pointing this out. That’s not my problem. I will continue to follow racist and Paulian involvement in the Tea Parties as long as they are involved.
No, no, no!
I’m not asking you to stop posting about it!
I’m asking you to remember that a lot of us (remember us, your fellow lizards?) attended. We reported what we saw, and what we didn’t.
Yet, reading you, I’d think I was surrounded by people flying swastika flags! That I would have needed to shave my head to fit in (right, that’s gonna happen)!
Hell, you - you personally! - had me nervous as a cat, looking for nirthers, Birchers, etc., to a positively paranoid degree!
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:16:51am |
re: #119 pink freud
Yes! great news.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Update on RealWest.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:11am |
WTF. Crazies left,right,north,south, and if I just start digging I end up in Tiananmen Square. Where’s Astronaut Jones when I need him.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:13am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
Sorry, bringing this over from the overnight thread, as just one more symptom of right wing media hysteria.
CNS is all bent because Obama supposedly asked Georgetown U. to “cover over the name of Jesus” before a speech.
It’s all lies and distortions, not surprisingly.
CNS is full of shit, as usual.
“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, the motto adopted by Constantine after he saw the chi-rho before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge AD 312, which caused him to convert to Christianity. It is the sign of Imperial state religion. Nothing wrong with that, historically speaking, but we are (supposedly) not an empire and (supposedly) not about establishing a religion. And that doesn’t even seem to be the reason, since GU was asked to cover all symbols. Maybe the White House wanted only the American flag.
Get a grip.
The government is to be neutral. If a symbol is showing during his speech when he is in front of the ‘home’ team, it does in no way shape or form ‘endorse’ the ‘home’ team religion. I would say this is a full on idiotic move on his part. Hysteria? I would disagree. It’s called the guest pissing on the host.
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J.D. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:29am |
re: #139 Creeping Eruption
Things probably look a bit different now that the Obama administration is no longer looking in from the outside.
He achieved his objective. He won. He said about anything that would help him to win.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:45am |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I get a lot of requests to stop posting about this. A lot of people are angry at me for pointing this out. That’s not my problem. I will continue to follow racist and Paulian involvement in the Tea Parties as long as they are involved.
No, the anger comes from your over-generalization and your lumping in every attendee as some nazi in name and deed.
You’ve heard from a lot of Lizards here - there were Democrats and Republicans in attendance, all angry and frustrated about real governmental issues. In California, it think the parties were mostly focused on the state issue.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:56am |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
While I think your ongoing attempts to suggest that all the Tea Parties in general are linked to Stormfront and the like are getting rather tiresome, I will say that the one I dropped by at Lafayette Park was, indeed, mostly (but not entirely) made up of white people. I don’t know if that means much, however; most conservative-oriented rallies of any kind I’ve seen here in DC tend to be mostly white people. That hardly means that every conservative cause is some sort of crypto-Klan rally.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:56am |
re: #144 Hengineer
Its kind of fun, actually, to watch him turn his back on his previous stances and followers.
It can only be a good thing when the Obama Administration engages in hypocrisy. It most likely means that they are getting it right. It also means that they are not as dogmatic as some would have us believe.
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:17:56am |
re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
See 119. Awesome news!
Thanks very much, best news I’ve had all week.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:18:15am |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
I’ll try one more time. You used the phrase “happy medium.” I was playing with the word “medium” as in physic, fortune teller etc.
So, I said “I’ll tell you your fortune for free, hahahaha, I’m happy.”
With me yet? HAPPY MEDIUM?
Got it. Was apologizing for my density before.
Excuse me. I need to restart my computer.
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:18:43am |
Cato are you Catholic. I was educated in Catholic Schools and IHS is a monogram for the name of Jesus. I googled and found plenty of sources.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:18:44am |
re: #154 Dianna
Got it. Was apologizing for my density before.
Excuse me. I need to restart my computer.
Computer or brain?
/reboot
=-P
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:18:48am |
re: #148 Oh no…Sand People!
The government is to be neutral. If a symbol is showing during his speech when he is in front of the ‘home’ team, it does in no way shape or form ‘endorse’ the ‘home’ team religion. I would say this is a full on idiotic move on his part. Hysteria? I would disagree. It’s called the guest pissing on the host.
He doesn’t want to be called a “Crusader” when it’s aired on Al Jazeera.
As usual, all about image.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:18:56am |
re: #13 lawhawk
By the same token, prior administrations had no problem speaking or holding events on the campus and didn’t require covering up any such symbology or imagery. It’s a Jesuit campus, and one expects such iconography there. This WH apparently had a problem with including any such imagery and icons that would distract from the message.
Like Obama as the new messiah?
But then, the Jesuits are notorious liberals.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:39am |
re: #155 snowcrash
Cato are you Catholic. I was educated in Catholic Schools and IHS is a monogram for the name of Jesus. I googled and found plenty of sources.
And the Swastika used to be a Tibetan symbol. Its funny how some things can mean multiple things.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:19:43am |
re: #145 Dianna
Yet, reading you, I’d think I was surrounded by people flying swastika flags!
After having read Killgore’s stuff for all these weeks, that’s what I was expecting.
Imagine my surprise when the actual thing itself looked nothing like that.
Killgore, may I gently suggest that at this point, you’re cherry-picking evidence to fit the position you’ve already decided on?
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:03am |
re: #144 Hengineer
Its kind of fun, actually, to watch him turn his back on his previous stances and followers.
* * * *
On kissing Fidel Castro’s ass, Atty General Eric Holder (Janet Reno’s deputy) remains fully committed, as he was when he approved grabbing little Elian Gonzalez from his American relatives by force, with automatic weapons in a home invasion in Miami, to ship the boy back to Fidel.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:23am |
re: #157 Ben Hur
He doesn’t want to be called a “Crusader” when it’s aired on Al Jazeera.
As usual, all about image.
Exactly…It’s this caring about ‘image’ and what ‘others think’ that’s getting us into this crapsandwich…
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:33am |
re: #160 Occasional Reader
Killgore, may I gently suggest that at this point, you’re cherry-picking evidence to fit the position you’ve already decided on?
You can think whatever you want but I’m not going to be quiet about this.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:40am |
re: #155 snowcrash
Cato are you Catholic. I was educated in Catholic Schools and IHS is a monogram for the name of Jesus. I googled and found plenty of sources.
It’s used in many churches to symbolize the Eucharist.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:43am |
re: #139 Creeping Eruption
Just read somewhere that Holder went to FISA Court (or some other secret court) to re-up the surveillance program. I’m not surprised. Things probably look a bit different now that the Obama administration is no longer looking in from the outside.
Actually, he’s setting it up to monitor conservatives.
/SARC!
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:47am |
re: #161 alegrias
* * * *
On kissing Fidel Castro’s ass, Atty General Eric Holder (Janet Reno’s deputy) remains fully committed, as he was when he approved grabbing little Elian Gonzalez from his American relatives by force, with automatic weapons in a home invasion in Miami, to ship the boy back to Fidel.
South Park had Janet Reno dressing up in a Bunny suit to do it, too.
One of their funnier episodes.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:20:51am |
re: #128 mikalm
Hi Dianna! How are things downtown?
Extraordinarily quiet. All of the accountants got drunk last night and are sleeping it off, I think.
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:02am |
re: #159 Hengineer
The letters are used at Georgetown a Catholic university!
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:06am |
re: #149 J.D.
He achieved his objective. He won. He said about anything that would help him to win.
Now maybe he can govern with a reasoned and reasonable approach.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:15am |
re: #145 Dianna
That I would have needed to shave my head to fit in
And as it turned out, you didn’t have to remove your hair, because there was Nair-y a Stormfronter in sight.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:27am |
re: #156 Hengineer
Computer or brain?
/reboot
=-P
In this particular case - the computer.
My brain is semi-functional. I think? I hope?
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:21:29am |
I’ve emailed Rush about the alex jones shit. I hope he yanks these ads.
And I was very polite.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:22:01am |
re: #165 Kosh’s Shadow
Actually, he’s setting it up to monitor conservatives.
/SARC!
I get it! You’re Alex Jones’s sock puppet!
/////////////////////////////////////////
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:22:09am |
re: #168 snowcrash
The letters are used at Georgetown a Catholic university!
I don’t understand why they would care about covering all symbols anyway, except about image. At least they covered all of them?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:22:25am |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
You can think whatever you want but I’m not going to be quiet about this.
Oh, sheesh. Yes, we’re trying to silence your brave voice of dissent, etc. etc. Uh, no, actually we’re asking you to engage in reasoned dialogue on the subject, instead of just constantly banging on that one, single key on the piano.
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mikalm Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:03am |
re: #167 Dianna
Extraordinarily quiet. All of the accountants got drunk last night and are sleeping it off, I think.
My first job out of college was clerking for an accountancy firm. At 5:00 on 4/15 every single person in the place went out and got ‘faced.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:08am |
Oh yea, a lot of denominations are VERY anti-Catholic. Maybe that’s why Obama did that, hate hates Catholics.
/s
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:23am |
re: #175 Occasional Reader
Oh, sheesh. Yes, we’re trying to silence your brave voice of dissent, etc. etc. Uh, no, actually we’re asking you to engage in reasoned dialogue on the subject, instead of just constantly banging on that one, single key on the piano.
Then they came for me…
/
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:49am |
re: #151 Occasional Reader
While I think your ongoing attempts to suggest that all the Tea Parties in general are linked to Stormfront and the like are getting rather tiresome, I will say that the one I dropped by at Lafayette Park was, indeed, mostly (but not entirely) made up of white people. I don’t know if that means much, however; most conservative-oriented rallies of any kind I’ve seen here in DC tend to be mostly white people. That hardly means that every conservative cause is some sort of crypto-Klan rally.
Actually, there were a lot of hispanics at the rally I attended in Oceanside. There was even a Spanish interpreter for some of the speeches.
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:23:57am |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I get a lot of requests to stop posting about this. A lot of people are angry at me for pointing this out. That’s not my problem. I will continue to follow racist and Paulian involvement in the Tea Parties as long as they are involved.
Then you’re going to start catching even more flak, the Paulians have the momentum and grassroot support. Right now, you are on the losing end of the GOP message, and people are going to start getting really pissed when you poo-poo all the grassroots movements because of their basis in libertarianism. Tough place to be Trout.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:03am |
re: #176 mikalm
My first job out of college was clerking for an accountancy firm. At 5:00 on 4/15 every single person in the place went out and got ‘faced.
Yea, my dad is taking some time himself, although he’s self-employed as a CPA, he still had tons of clients and is still backlogged.
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:04am |
re: #166 Hengineer
South Park had Janet Reno dressing up in a Bunny suit to do it, too.
One of their funnier episodes.
Speaking of bunny suits, I still want to know just how they talked him into doing this…:)
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Lynn B. Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:09am |
re: #148 Oh no…Sand People!
The government is to be neutral. If a symbol is showing during his speech when he is in front of the ‘home’ team, it does in no way shape or form ‘endorse’ the ‘home’ team religion. I would say this is a full on idiotic move on his part. Hysteria? I would disagree. It’s called the guest pissing on the host.
The article Cato linked is pretty clear about what was going on there.
“In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage,” Julie Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications at Georgetown, told CNSNews.com.
“The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches,” she added. “Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”
It also points out (as have others here) that the letters IHS have different meanings to different people.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:10am |
re: #151 Occasional Reader
While I think your ongoing attempts to suggest that all the Tea Parties in general are linked to Stormfront and the like are getting rather tiresome, I will say that the one I dropped by at Lafayette Park was, indeed, mostly (but not entirely) made up of white people. I don’t know if that means much, however; most conservative-oriented rallies of any kind I’ve seen here in DC tend to be mostly white people. That hardly means that every conservative cause is some sort of crypto-Klan rally.
San Jose was pretty mixed. Lots of ethnicities represented, and nobody was refusing to stand next to anyone else.
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:22am |
re: #166 Hengineer
South Park had Janet Reno dressing up in a Bunny suit to do it, too.
One of their funnier episodes.
* * * *
Easter Sunday is supposedly the MOST HOLY of Christian days.
So the Clinton Administration and Eric Holder invading a likely Catholic Cuban household on Easter Sunday with AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, was sacriligeous, in my opinion.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:41am |
re: #179 Russkilitlover
Actually, there were a lot of hispanics at the rally I attended in Oceanside. There was even a Spanish interpreter for some of the speeches.
RACIST!
/
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:41am |
Opposition leader Tzipi Livni told visiting United States envoy George Mitchell on Thursday that lack of progress in the peace process was not to Israel’s benefit.
[Link: www.haaretz.com…]
Memo to Mitchell: Need a review of modern Israeli Electoral History? Or do you actually know who is in power..urh not who you hoped would be in power? Ya know like in a real democracy asshole!
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:42am |
re: #175 Occasional Reader
Oh, sheesh. Yes, we’re trying to silence your brave voice of dissent, etc. etc. Uh, no, actually we’re asking you to engage in reasoned dialogue on the subject, instead of just constantly banging on that one, single key on the piano.
/For some reason your post reminded me of the triangle player in a symphony orchestra. The guy can sit there and practice diligently for 2 hours and only strike his triangle once.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:50am |
re: #179 Russkilitlover
Actually, there were a lot of hispanics at the rally I attended in Oceanside. There was even a Spanish interpreter for some of the speeches.
That’s unpossible! The “Teabaggers” are all drooling, white neo-Nazis, everybody knows that!
/
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:13am |
re: #170 Occasional Reader
And as it turned out, you didn’t have to remove your hair, because there was Nair-y a Stormfronter in sight.
Oh, you’re slick.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:17am |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
You can think whatever you want but I’m not going to be quiet about this.
No one’s asking you to be quiet. We’re asking you to actually note the lizards who attended, and what we’ve reported, too. Could you take us into consideration?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:17am |
re: #175 Occasional Reader
You are free to scroll over or ding down my posts. I see no need to stop posting about this.
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:31am |
While we’re on radical alliances, David Duke has personally-filmed footage at his site of the altercation with Amnesty supporters yesterday at a Tom Tancredo appearance at UNC Chapel Hill.
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:50am |
re: #185 alegrias
* * * *
Easter Sunday is supposedly the MOST HOLY of Christian days.So the Clinton Administration and Eric Holder invading a likely Catholic Cuban household on Easter Sunday with AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, was sacriligeous, in my opinion.
Supposedly? It IS the most holy of days, with MAYBE the exception of the Pentecost.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:11am |
re: #184 Dianna
San Jose was pretty mixed. Lots of ethnicities represented, and nobody was refusing to stand next to anyone else.
And come to think of it, I should qualify my “mostly white” observation with the same caveat that I did my “not many Paulians” observation earlier; due to lots of umbrellas and rain slickers, it was harder than usual to get a good feel for the makeup of the crowd.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:20am |
re: #189 Occasional Reader
That’s unpossible! The “Teabaggers” are all drooling, white neo-Nazis, everybody knows that!
/
Is there a reason you write “unpossible” instead of “impossible?”
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:32am |
re: #191 Dianna
Could you take us into consideration?
I read your posts. How much more consideration do you want?
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Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:52am |
is anyone else thinking about Capt Queeg in The Caine Mutiny Court Martial? “Then there was the tea party incident, that’s when they all turned against me….”
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:57am |
re: #189 Occasional Reader
That’s unpossible! The “Teabaggers” are all drooling, white neo-Nazis, everybody knows that!
/
Turning this into a pron thread already?
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Hengineer Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:07am |
re: #196 Ben Hur
Is there a reason you write “unpossible” instead of “impossible?”
a very merry unbirthday to you! yes you!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:07am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
I read your posts. How much more consideration do you want?
A C-note would come in handy?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:23am |
re: #196 Ben Hur
Is there a reason you write “unpossible” instead of “impossible?”
Ever seen The Simpsons? The police chief’s son says “unpossible”.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:31am |
re: #199 Spider Mensch
is anyone else thinking about Capt Queeg in The Caine Mutiny Court Martial? “Then there was the tea party incident, that’s when they all turned against me….”
Holding ball bearings?
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:37am |
re: #172 Sharmuta
I’ve emailed Rush about the alex jones shit. I hope he yanks these ads.
And I was very polite.
And what if he has no control over it? Then what?
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:00am |
re: #203 Honorary Yooper
Ever seen The Simpsons? The police chief’s son says “unpossible”.
Sh*t.
OK.
And I thought I was the obscure reference guy.
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MJ Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:03am |
New York Times cuts sections to save money
NEW YORK (Reuters) – New York Times Co’s flagship newspaper plans to eliminate several weekly sections and cut freelance spending to save millions of dollars in annual costs, according to a memo obtained by Reuters.
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
If it were up to me, I’d start with the editorial pages.
Oh wait, the entire news section is an editorial page.
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:07am |
re: #196 Ben Hur
Is there a reason you write “unpossible” instead of “impossible?”
You gotta catch up on your ‘Simpsons’ trivia.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:23am |
re: #183 Lynn B.
It also points out (as have others here) that the letters IHS have different meanings to different people.
What ‘IHS’ stands for is irrelevant. The point of him going in and rearranging things to suit his ‘image’ is the point. In a more ‘nuanced’ way it will give the impression that he is anti-religion.
Why not just save us all tax money, build the “Obama speech room for all occasions” in one place only? Weak sauce on Mr. President’s part.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:31am |
re: #196 Ben Hur
Is there a reason you write “unpossible” instead of “impossible?”
Ralph Wiggum reference.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:49am |
re: #208 MJ
New York Times cuts sections to save money
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
If it were up to me, I’d start with the editorial pages.
Oh wait, the entire news section is an editorial page.
Just leave the sports, the classifieds, and the stock quotes. Ditch the rest.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:49am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
We understand your concerns; however, you should also take into account the observations of many of your fellow lizards. That is not to say your concerns are not valid, but that they may be a bit overhyped.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:26am |
re: #182 Dustyvet
Speaking of bunny suits, I still want to know just how they talked him into doing this…:)
[Link: www.webpan.com…]
ROTFLMAO…..Wow, oh, wow. That is funny. Thanks!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:37am |
re: #192 Killgore Trout
You are free to scroll over or ding down my posts. I see no need to stop posting about this.
By the way; have you actually been to one of the “tea parties” yourself? Particularly, one of the ones held yesterday?
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:42am |
re: #194 Hengineer
Supposedly? It IS the most holy of days, with MAYBE the exception of the Pentecost.
* * * *
Thanks for making that clear, I didn’t want to exclude any other Christian perspective.
Yes, invading a Catholic home with guns on Easter morning of 2000, to placate Fidel Castro’s communistas, was Clinton/Reno/Eric Holder Administration’s most macho military adventure in 8 years.
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:42am |
re: #192 Killgore Trout
You are free to scroll over or ding down my posts. I see no need to stop posting about this.
POST AWAY!
“COME ON! DO IT! KILL ME! I AM HERE!” - Arnold - Predator.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:42am |
re: #208 MJ
New York Times cuts sections to save money
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
If it were up to me, I’d start with the editorial pages.
Oh wait, the entire news section is an editorial page.
Remember when the NYT sports page was attacking Tiger because he was sticking up for women to join Augusta National. The sport page is an editorial also.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:03am |
re: #205 Dianna
And what if he has no control over it? Then what?
Throw him out of the party! Bash him! Mash him!
/(only partially ;} )
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:11am |
re: #207 Ben Hur
Sh*t.
OK.
And I thought I was the obscure reference guy.
My cat’s breath smells like cat food!
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Jack Burton Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:17am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
They probably think that Jesus’ middle initial was H because of that too.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:55am |
re: #217 Oh no…Sand People!
POST AWAY!
“COME ON! DO IT! KILL ME! I AM HERE!” - Arnold - Predator.
Let’s say it once, say it loud: Predator was a GREAT fucking movie. (And I’m proud)
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:06am |
re: #218 Nevergiveup
Think about two of the biggest lefty mouthpieces today: Keith Olbermann and Mike Lupica. Both are sportscasters/reporters. They both now think that they’re so important so as to cover the rest of the news and that their opinions are superior to all others.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:35am |
re: #220 Occasional Reader
My cat’s breath smells like cat food!
I like Gallagher’s question - “Why don’t they just make butt-flavor cat food?”
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:41am |
re: #198 Ward Cleaver
He appears to be the darling of the “white america” crowd.
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:45am |
re: #213 Honorary Yooper
We understand your concerns; however, you should also take into account the observations of many of your fellow lizards. That is not to say your concerns are not valid, but that they may be a bit overhyped.
With so many posts on Paulian involvement of the tea parties, it’s not over-hyped, it’s downright paranoid.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:58am |
re: #223 Occasional Reader
Let’s say it once, say it loud: Predator was a GREAT fucking movie. (And I’m proud)
“If it bleeds, we can kill it!”
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:32:11am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
I read your posts. How much more consideration do you want?
An acknowledgement that there are other reports, larger in number than the ugliness on that disgusting site.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:32:31am |
re: #226 pink freud
He appears to be the darling of the “white america” crowd.
And one-time failed candidate for La. Governor.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:32:42am |
Don’t look to FOX News to be your political compass. I haven’t watched Fox News in years. Can’t stand all the talking heads who will say and do ANYTHING to make a buck. These tv and radio personalities don’t care about anything other then MONEY.
If you know that going in, then you won’t be dissapointed when Fox News and Rush, and Hannity and Beck et all, when the wheels fall off.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:02am |
re: #224 lawhawk
Think about two of the biggest lefty mouthpieces today: Keith Olbermann and Mike Lupica. Both are sportscasters/reporters. They both now think that they’re so important so as to cover the rest of the news and that their opinions are superior to all others.
That’s one reason I don’t buy the Daily News anymore either. Oh or go anywhere near the NFL network pregame show.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:07am |
re: #7 zombie
Intersting: Can an entire network be a Moby? Possibly.
I think that leftists succesfully infiltrated the back end of Fox and now do all sorts of things to subtly undermine its credibility. In the guise of courting paleocons. I think giving Huckabee his own show was the moment they jumped the shark.
I have been wondering the same thing, since before the election. There were some personalites who were very critical of Obama, obviously, but there were some that seemed to be coming from the opposite side.
Related, maybe:
Judge Napolitano and Brian Kilmeade are on the radio right about the time I’m coming home in the evening, and sometimes I listen to the show. I was quite frustrated with his - drum roll please - support and praise for Barack Obama prior to the election.
I found myself wondering if he was required, somehow, to argue from that position to make the show more interesting. With a background in law, he seems the perfect guy to take whatever side of the debate is missing.
I don’t really have a point except that I’m not sure he’s entirely sincere all the time, because since the election, he sounds like a different guy.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:21am |
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
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alegrias Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:49am |
US Navy Seals training amphibious attacks in rubber boats coming up on Fox News after this commercial with Mr. Slapshot, Shamwow.
(Not likely to see strappy Navy people on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC shows, eh?)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:01am |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
What the F are you talking you G-D da.. son of
/ just kidding
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:02am |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
Everyone needs to calm down a little bit.
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:04am |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:04am |
re: #227 ellcon
With so many posts on Paulian involvement of the tea parties, it’s not over-hyped, it’s downright paranoid.
But you’re a Ron Paul supporter, aren’t you? It’s pretty easy for me to read what you’ve posted before, you know.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:34am |
re: #229 Dianna
An acknowledgement that there are other reports, larger in number than the ugliness on that disgusting site.
Shitfronters like to think they are more than they actually are. I think part of what they are doing on their own site is puff themselves up more than anything else. Most people at those rallies had nothing to do with Shitfront, and wanted nothing to do with Shitfront.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:35:04am |
re: #217 Oh no…Sand People!
POST AWAY!
“COME ON! DO IT! KILL ME! I AM HERE!” - Arnold - Predator.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Now THAT was some funny shit.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:35:09am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:09am |
re: #205 Dianna
And what if he has no control over it? Then what?
He’s Rush. You really think he’s not in control or has the influence and power to stop it?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:42am |
re: #244 Ward Cleaver
Uh oh.
I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Stinky may be doing some swinging today.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:50am |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:08am |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
I think there’s something of an epidemic of “if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Killgore keeps going to the Stormfront site, to find evidence of Stormfront support for the Tea Parties. Quel surprise, he finds it. Of course, he appears to ignore any evidence of this phenomenon being anything OTHER than a Stormfront/Paulian/Troofer/Nirther production.
Like I said, I really, genuinely went to Lafayette Park yesterday expecting to be surrounded by neo-Nazi nutballs; I was stopping by to view what I expected was going to be a disturbing circus. It was nothing remotely like that - wall to wall normal-looking people. Many other LGFers are reporting the same thing. Doesn’t this perhaps mean something?
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:20am |
re: #223 Occasional Reader
Let’s say it once, say it loud: Predator was a GREAT fucking movie. (And I’m proud)
Carl Weathers picked right up where he left off in Arrested Development.
/Dude..Carl Weathers Stew….
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:21am |
re: #246 Honorary Yooper
I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Stinky may be doing some swinging today.
I hope we is swinging better than the Yankees today?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:23am |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
Only when the messenger intentionally distorts the message.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:24am |
re: #246 Honorary Yooper
I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Stinky may be doing some swinging today.
Whoosh! CRACK!
/owwwww!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:26am |
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quickjustice Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:12am |
I heard Napolitano speak in person while Bush was in office. He was on a panel about the Iraq War. His position was isolationist. He’s a combination libertarian/paleo-conservative. He viciously attacked Bush on Israel and on internationalist foreign policy, meaning U.S. engagement with the world.
He’s wacky. ‘Nuff said.
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Summer Seale Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:22am |
I’m just sorta putting my face in my hands and sighing very….very slowly.
I think I need some nice tea and Mozart…
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:27am |
I’m just sitting back watching the controversy, gathering data
… biting my tongue
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:33am |
re: #246 Honorary Yooper
I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Stinky may be doing some swinging today.
Passions are running high.
/you just know there’s high glee levels from those who watch LGF to see the in-fighting
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:57am |
re: #256 Summer
I’m just sorta putting my face in my hands and sighing very….very slowly.
I think I need some nice tea and Mozart…
Partyist!
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:03am |
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
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JohnnyReb Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:23am |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
I know one person who did not go because of blogs (not just this one) saying they would be over run by nut jobs and kooks. Saw a nice picture in the paper this AM, and guess what? Not a single wacko in sight.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:23am |
re: #256 Summer
I’m just sorta putting my face in my hands and sighing very….very slowly.
I think I need some nice tea and Mozart…
And a car swarm thread.
/please, please!
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:24am |
re: #245 Sharmuta
He’s Rush. You really think he’s not in control or has the influence and power to stop it?
Depends. Many of these radio ads are bought locally, from the local network or station. He may have some influence over it, but I don’t know how much influence he can have over it. If they are local in nature, Rush may not even know these ads are playing.
| 264 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:32am |
re: #193 pink freud
While we’re on radical alliances, David Duke has personally-filmed footage at his site of the altercation with Amnesty supporters yesterday at a Tom Tancredo appearance at UNC Chapel Hill.
Please do not post links to that creep’s website. I edited your post to remove it.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:36am |
re: #228 Ward Cleaver
“If it bleeds, we can kill it!”
And I loved the guy who kept reflexively re-shaving his head with a disposable razor, while awaiting in ambush… I keep meaning to do that at work…
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:38am |
re: #236 alegrias
(Not likely to see strappy Navy people on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC shows, eh?)
At least as long as ‘Don’t ask, Don’t tell’ is policy.
| 268 |
Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:52am |
re: #234 Charles
I am not attacking the messenger. I’m expressing a certain amount of irritation with KT’s repeated emphasis on “you’re surrounded!” and “don’t go, you’ll be a kook.”
Funny, but the loons I saw were from the left.
Can we balance out the lizard reports? Can we have a poll? Can we bloody well figure out what actually happened, instead of panicking prematurely?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:53am |
re: #245 Sharmuta
He’s Rush. You really think he’s not in control or has the influence and power to stop it?
Do you know how radio station ownership/syndication/sister stations/personalities/advertisers work? I don’t, but I’ve heard complaints from callers to radio shows about advertisers and the personalities say they have no control and in most cases don’t even know what ads are on their shows. Especially, when they are multi-channel, multi-signal programs, such as Rush.
Until I know for sure one way or the other, I’ll 48 hr rule the Rush bash on this issue.
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:04am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:15am |
re: #265 Occasional Reader
And I loved the guy who kept reflexively re-shaving his head with a disposable razor, while awaiting in ambush… I keep meaning to do that at work…
Just to freak out your co-workers?
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:38am |
re: #255 quickjustice
He endorsed Laup Nor for President. ‘Nuff Said. He is a certifiable nutter.
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pink freud Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:46am |
re: #264 Charles
Please do not post links to that creep’s website. I edited your post to remove it.
Understood. It won’t happen again.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:51am |
re: #245 Sharmuta
He’s Rush. You really think he’s not in control or has the influence and power to stop it?
I don’t think he dictates to the radio stations.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:40:57am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
I saw something about that not to long ago. apparently Penetta said something to the effect that they will not even be investigated as long as they were operating under the cover of Justice legal opinions. Good for them!
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:11am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
Kos just threw up.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:26am |
re: #271 Ward Cleaver
Just to freak out your co-workers?
Yes. That, and lugging around a man-portable minigun…
(Which, sadly, does not actually exist, AFAIK)
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:27am |
re: #269 Russkilitlover
How is he going to know about this issue unless we let him know about it? I sent a very polite email asking him just that- if he was aware this nut ball was using his air time, and couldn’t he stop it.
I see nothing wrong with a polite inquiry and request.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:42am |
re: #224 lawhawk
Think about two of the biggest lefty mouthpieces today: Keith Olbermann and Mike Lupica. Both are sportscasters/reporters. They both now think that they’re so important so as to cover the rest of the news and that their opinions are superior to all others.
I was scratching my head over this post.. I don’t know why but when I read Mike Lupica I thought Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free press..
I’m Thinking..jeez Mitch is a great writer..Then I read the post over and slapped myself in the back of the head…
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:47am |
re: #265 Occasional Reader
And I loved the guy who kept reflexively re-shaving his head with a disposable razor, while awaiting in ambush… I keep meaning to do that at work…
“Gonna have me some fun…gonna have me some fun….”
Man..that was a great movie… stellar amounts of suspense…
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Adrenalyn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:52am |
what ! ?
nothing about the news networks mocking of the tea party protests yesterday ?
that should have it’s own thread
sure it may not have done any damage to 0bama and Co.
but the media is openly hostile to the right
and you don’t seem to care
all that matters is that one tenth of one percent of the right are Paulians, Stormfronters, etc.
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quickjustice Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:02am |
Although the tea party concept was originated by Paulians, they’ve lost control of it. The NYC crowd last night was middle class, not Paulian. They have no idea who Paul is, or what he stands for. Paulians were lurking, and I ran into a handful of young Paulians at the after-party. They knew nothing about the Stormfront connection. I told them they need a new libertarian leader free of these extremist associations.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:06am |
re: #276 Ward Cleaver
Kos just threw up.
It must suck for them when reality intrudes into their fantasies.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:11am |
re: #271 Ward Cleaver
Just to freak out your co-workers?
With my coiffure, I think my coworkers would call it the first sign of the apocalypse.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:14am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
Okay, and I give President Obama credit (assuming this story pans out) for avoiding the political temptation here.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:23am |
re: #274 Dianna
I don’t think he dictates to the radio stations.
If it was sold by a local affiliate, he can’t. BUT, he could always call them, and express his displeasure.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:38am |
re: #267 Iron Fist
Motzart? That’s your problem. Threads like this call for death metal. Something light, but pleasing. Like Slayer…
How about “Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring” … or a Turkish oud taksim?
/uh, no I guess not … never mind … :D
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Dustyvet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:11am |
re: #277 Occasional Reader
Yes. That, and lugging around a man-portable minigun…
(Which, sadly, does not actually exist, AFAIK)
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turn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:11am |
re: #268 Dianna
Ha, kos had a poll on the question “Will the teabagging parties have a lingering effect, or will they quickly be forgotten?” You guessed it 84% think it will be quickly forgotten. I think the left is frightened of the popularity of the TP’s.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:29am |
A friend of mine and I alway do the hand shake and “What’s the mattah, Dylan? CIA got you pushing too many pencils?” scene when we see eachother.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:53am |
re: #279 Iron Fist
I thought everyone did that. If you don’t, your hair can sneak up on you and then you are a long-haired hippie before you know what happened. You move to Berkely and take off all your clothes…
It’s an ongoing battle; I like my hair near-military-length short. My wife, my secretary, practically every female friend swear to me that it looks better long (well, what *I* consider “long”). I really need to lug around the minigun to reinforce my point of view on the matter…
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:00am |
re: #240 Charles
But you’re a Ron Paul supporter, aren’t you? It’s pretty easy for me to read what you’ve posted before, you know.
I’m happy with my previous comments - tough to be a contrarian at Malkin or Hot Air right about now. Plus, anyone can observe the tide shifting in the GOP - you have, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many posts on Paul, Judge, and Beck…
Harboring Libertarian ideals doesn’t make you a crank, and what is happening right now in the GOP is not tough to see. But then again, “There’s a real epidemic around here lately of ‘attacking the messenger.’”
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:12am |
re: #290 turn
Ha, kos had a poll on the question “Will the teabagging parties have a lingering effect, or will they quickly be forgotten?” You guessed it 84% think it will be quickly forgotten. I think the left is frightened of the popularity of the TP’s.
It’s very telling that he also used the word “teabagging”.
/heh
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:19am |
re: #275 Creeping Eruption
I saw something about that not to long ago. apparently Penetta said something to the effect that they will not even be investigated as long as they were operating under the cover of Justice legal opinions. Good for them!
At the same time, the Obama Administration is revoking all the Bush era legal opinions on such treatment and will not consider them in making their own decisions. Also, the Administration will not allow renditions and interrogations will be conducted as per military regs until a new policy is put in place.
So, while the Administration likes to claim that Bush’s policies made the nation more unsafe (all while preventing another terror attack since 9/11 on US soil), ) Obama is stopping the very kinds of policies that worked to keep the nation safe. Curious logic at that.
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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:21am |
re: #290 turn
Ha, kos had a poll on the question “Will the teabagging parties have a lingering effect, or will they quickly be forgotten?” You guessed it 84% think it will be quickly forgotten. I think the left is frightened of the popularity of the TP’s.
There’s your proof!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:22am |
re: #270 Dustyvet
Quick Pre, to your Fox Hole…:)
No problem. I’ve duct-taped a claymore to the front of the CRT — JIC.
/problem is, reading the posts around that sucker!
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:31am |
re: #290 turn
“Will the teabagging parties have a lingering effect, or will they quickly be forgotten?”
Curse you, Urban Dictionary!
(I can’t stop laughing)
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Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:38am |
re: #292 Occasional Reader
It’s an ongoing battle; I like my hair near-military-length short. My wife, my secretary, practically every female friend swear to me that it looks better long (well, what *I* consider “long”). I really need to lug around the minigun to reinforce my point of view on the matter…
Don’t forget the giant wad of chew… Gotta have the chew…
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debutaunt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:44:48am |
re: #77 Who Watches the Watchmen?
I posted this downstairs, but it’s appropriate here since we’re talking about Fox.
Did anybody see Dennis Miller on O’Reilly last night? I usually like his comments, but he was completely off the rails last night. Somehow he managed to make the piracy problem into a joke about Gibbs doing a press conference wearing an eyepatch with a parrot on his shoulder saying “Somali want a cracker.”
I watched and, as always, he made me laugh.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:03am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
I suppose if any of us says that was a good decision on the part of the president, we’re a rino?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:09am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Breaking:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won’t be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports/
The far left is set to begin screaming in 3… 2… 1…
Obama may be seeing the utter disarray of the Republican party and is taking advantage of a couple of small opportunities to woo some disillusioned Republican voters. Clever. It will balance the fringe loonies who turn against him.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:29am |
re: #294 Ward Cleaver
It’s very telling that he also used the word “teabagging”.
/heh
Get your mind out of the gutter. I need more room for mine down there!
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:35am |
re: #292 Occasional Reader
It’s an ongoing battle; I like my hair near-military-length short. My wife, my secretary, practically every female friend swear to me that it looks better long (well, what *I* consider “long”). I really need to lug around the minigun to reinforce my point of view on the matter…
Maybe get a cammo tie and braces.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:46:02am |
re: #278 Sharmuta
How is he going to know about this issue unless we let him know about it? I sent a very polite email asking him just that- if he was aware this nut ball was using his air time, and couldn’t he stop it.
I see nothing wrong with a polite inquiry and request.
I agree with that approach. He deserves the benefit of the doubt on this. Let’s see what happens.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:46:08am |
re: #277 Occasional Reader
Yes. That, and lugging around a man-portable minigun…
(Which, sadly, does not actually exist, AFAIK)
Start putting up pictures of Jodie Foster, too.
/travis
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:46:41am |
re: #301 Sharmuta
I suppose if any of us says that was a good decision on the part of the president, we’re a rino?
See my #286.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:07am |
re: #293 ellcon
I’m happy with my previous comments - tough to be a contrarian at Malkin or Hot Air right about now. Plus, anyone can observe the tide shifting in the GOP - you have, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many posts on Paul, Judge, and Beck…
Harboring Libertarian ideals doesn’t make you a crank, and what is happening right now in the GOP is not tough to see. But then again, “There’s a real epidemic around here lately of ‘attacking the messenger.’”
If anyone wants to question whether the Ron Paulians feel encouraged by “tea parties,” just read what this Paulian is posting at LGF.
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Claire Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:11am |
re: #283 quickjustice
Although the tea party concept was originated by Paulians, they’ve lost control of it. The NYC crowd last night was middle class, not Paulian. They have no idea who Paul is, or what he stands for. Paulians were lurking, and I ran into a handful of young Paulians at the after-party. They knew nothing about the Stormfront connection. I told them they need a new libertarian leader free of these extremist associations.
Good for you!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:32am |
re: #304 MandyManners
Maybe get a cammo tie and braces.
Braces in the American sense, or the British sense?
The latter would be a bit too kinky…
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:38am |
re: #304 MandyManners
Maybe get a cammo tie and braces.
Make a pair of suspenders out of old machine link-belts. Then fill them with live ammo.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:54am |
re: #290 turn
Ha, kos had a poll on the question “Will the teabagging parties have a lingering effect, or will they quickly be forgotten?” You guessed it 84% think it will be quickly forgotten. I think the left is frightened of the popularity of the TP’s.
Or, they could be right. It could all fizzle and fade, because KT scares us off, and all that’s left are the crazies and racists.
Joy.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:00am |
re: #286 Occasional Reader
Okay, and I give President Obama credit (assuming this story pans out) for avoiding the political temptation here.
Obama is, at heart, like most politicians, an opportunist. I applaud him for doing the right thing, even if it is for the wrong reason.
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jamgarr Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:40am |
OT
Things I want to know:
Why do southpaws face west?
Where have all the “Ho-made pie” signs gone?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:01am |
re: #283 quickjustice
Although the tea party concept was originated by Paulians, they’ve lost control of it. The NYC crowd last night was middle class, not Paulian. They have no idea who Paul is, or what he stands for. Paulians were lurking, and I ran into a handful of young Paulians at the after-party. They knew nothing about the Stormfront connection. I told them they need a new libertarian leader free of these extremist associations.
The pictures of Ron Paul with Don Black are pretty good evidence.
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ladycatnip Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:04am |
Totally OT
The WH asked Georgetown to cover up initials of Jesus on a pediment where the O would be speaking.
This is the prez who bowed low to the Saudi king.
Getting rid of the competition maybe? /
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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:11am |
re: #278 Sharmuta
Works for me. Let us know if you get a response.
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tryptic67 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:41am |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
“IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, .
This is factually incorrect. Of course you don’t have to take my word for Your text to link….
Spent much time in Catholic Churches, have you? Enough to call out those people with whom you disagree about the true meaning of “IHS” as just “Idiots” and “full of shit”?
Of course it makes perfect sense for the President to speak at one of the nations leading Catholic universities and blot out all references to Christ or Christianity that might be part of the usual decor. I could see that happening in a Synagogue or Mosque or Ashram (not). Why would he even ask for that?
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:45am |
re: #305 capitalist piglet
I agree with that approach. He deserves the benefit of the doubt on this. Let’s see what happens.
I’m likewise hopeful he’s just unaware, and I think if there is anyone who has the muscle to stop this, it’s Rush. I’ll wait and see, but more people sending him a line letting him know about it might help him see it’s problematic.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:56am |
re: #311 Ward Cleaver
Make a pair of suspenders out of old machine link-belts. Then fill them with live ammo.
Oops. Machine gun link-belts. PIMF.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:29am |
re: #317 Russkilitlover
Why don’t you join me in sending an email?
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turn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:46am |
re: #296 Ben Hur
There’s your proof!
I was watching Olbermann a bit between commercials on Fox last night, I could tell by the way he was bashing the TP’s he’s frightened.
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:50am |
re: #310 Occasional Reader
Braces in the American sense, or the British sense?
The latter would be a bit too kinky…
‘murcan.
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Dianna Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:05am |
re: #308 Charles
Except that I didn’t see scads of Paulians. I didn’t see (so far as I know) any stormfronters.
I saw normal people.
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AMER1CAN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:15am |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
I think there’s something of an epidemic of “if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Killgore keeps going to the Stormfront site, to find evidence of Stormfront support for the Tea Parties. Quel surprise, he finds it. Of course, he appears to ignore any evidence of this phenomenon being anything OTHER than a Stormfront/Paulian/Troofer/Nirther production.
Like I said, I really, genuinely went to Lafayette Park yesterday expecting to be surrounded by neo-Nazi nutballs; I was stopping by to view what I expected was going to be a disturbing circus. It was nothing remotely like that - wall to wall normal-looking people. Many other LGFers are reporting the same thing. Doesn’t this perhaps mean something?
Very well said! I think you just nailed it! No pun intended.
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:23am |
re: #311 Ward Cleaver
Make a pair of suspenders out of old machine link-belts. Then fill them with live ammo.
He’ll clink and clank when he walks.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:27am |
re: #308 Charles
If anyone wants to question whether the Ron Paulians feel encouraged by “tea parties,” just read what this Paulian is posting at LGF.
Who has questioned “whether the Ron Paulians feel encouraged” by them?
I haven’t the slightest doubt they feel encouraged by the tea parties. Any movement that pushes for smaller federal government encourages them. What does that prove?
An analogy; many thoughtful conservatives (and even some self-described liberals) have a problem with racial-quota affirmative action. If national rallies to this effect were held, I have no doubt that they would attract a certain number of white supremacists. This would hardly prove that opposition to racial quotas is inextricably linked to Stormfronters.
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badger1970 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:29am |
If there was a single, strong national leader for people (right and left) to rally behind, the polarization effect taking place on both wings would not have happened. The right is marginalizing itself clinging to these odd people and theories.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:47am |
re: #155 snowcrash
Cato are you Catholic. I was educated in Catholic Schools and IHS is a monogram for the name of Jesus. I googled and found plenty of sources.
One can google, find plenty of sources, and still come up with the wrong answer.
Yes, I’m Catholic. And I was taught by the Jesuits that IHS stands for “in hoc signo”. However, the origins of the sign are indeed disputed. Jesus’ name in Greek is Ιησους. There is no “H” there. In fact there is no “H” in Greek outside of the rough breathing sign. In Ιησους there is a smooth breathing sign before the iota. IC (iota-sigma, the C being an old form of capital sigma) in Greek is a common abbreviation of the name, and so is IHS, but in Greek this is iota-eta-sigma (not an H). In Latin it would be IES. And since Georgetown is a Jesuit school, they would not use an incorrectly Latinized Greek abbreviation. Therefore I maintain that IHS stands for the Latin phrase “in hoc signo”. That’s what I was taught, but I could be wrong. Really! ;^)
See here:
What does IHS mean?
There are several theories regarding this. St.Ignatius used these letters to advocate the name of Jesus as a personal workship. According to Fr. Victorius, IHS means “Jesus Habemus Socium”, which means that we have Jesus as our partner. According to Constantine, IHS means “In Hoc Signo vinces” which means with this sign you will win. According to a medieval tradition, IHS means “Jesus Hominum Salvator” which means Jesus savior of men. According to Fr. Duminuco, IHS are letters of the Greek alphabet and they represent the name of Jesus. Information from [Link: www.jesuitalumni.org…]
Just goes to show that even Catholic websites are not infallible! ;^)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:20am |
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted “tea party” protests yesterday, labeling the activities “despicable” and shameful.”
“The ‘tea parties’ being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs,” Schakowsky said in a statement.
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com…]
Hum from ILL.?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:53:01am |
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:53:14am |
re: #308 Charles
If anyone wants to question whether the Ron Paulians feel encouraged by “tea parties,” just read what this Paulian is posting at LGF.
It’s not just Paulians who feel encouraged, it’s anyone who is angry and scared at the massive growth and intrusiveness of the Federal Government. Mostly, those type of people are known as ‘conservatives’ - and right now, there are a lot of very encouraged conservatives.
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turn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:53:43am |
re: #298 MrSilverDragon
Curse you, Urban Dictionary!
(I can’t stop laughing)
lingering as in dangling? OMG
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jamgarr Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:53:56am |
re: #333 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Just to say it, I’ve seen “IHS” in Methodist churches.
I was raised Methodist and was told, when young, that it meant In His Service.
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jamgarr Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:54:58am |
Ever notice that when you have “auto-refresh” on posting a comment is sometimes like finding the keyhole after too many Bud Lights?
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snowcrash Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:05am |
re: #331 Cato the Elder
I just took the “idiots” thing personally, so I got testy. No biggie.
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tfc3rid Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:22am |
re: #332 Nevergiveup
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted “tea party” protests yesterday, labeling the activities “despicable” and shameful.”
“The ‘tea parties’ being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs,” Schakowsky said in a statement.
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com…]
Hum from ILL.?
My taxes were cut… My paycheck now has an additional .35 cents in it…
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Lincolntf Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:01am |
After how long of deriding Paulians just as much for their incessant Internet intrusiveness as for their simple-minded politics did it take for Paulian posts to gain credence again?
I really think there should be a new term for Tea Parties that have actually been experienced and those that exist largely in the ether of the ‘Net and TV clips.
Maybe “ATP“‘s? As in “actual tea parties” or “attended tea parties”. They seem to be very distinct and separate from the other kind.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:27am |
re: #319 tryptic67
This is factually incorrect. Of course you don’t have to take my word for Your text to link….
Spent much time in Catholic Churches, have you? Enough to call out those people with whom you disagree about the true meaning of “IHS” as just “Idiots” and “full of shit”?
Of course it makes perfect sense for the President to speak at one of the nations leading Catholic universities and blot out all references to Christ or Christianity that might be part of the usual decor. I could see that happening in a Synagogue or Mosque or Ashram (not). Why would he even ask for that?
See my #331.
There is legitimate dispute about the meaning of IHS. I’m Catholic, I did not know that, I stand corrected, and I apologize.
The CNS report is still hysterical, though.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:41am |
re: #295 lawhawk
At the same time, the Obama Administration is revoking all the Bush era legal opinions on such treatment and will not consider them in making their own decisions. Also, the Administration will not allow renditions and interrogations will be conducted as per military regs until a new policy is put in place.
So, while the Administration likes to claim that Bush’s policies made the nation more unsafe (all while preventing another terror attack since 9/11 on US soil), ) Obama is stopping the very kinds of policies that worked to keep the nation safe. Curious logic at that.
I thought renditions were still on the table. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:58:47am |
re: #298 MrSilverDragon
Curse you, Urban Dictionary!
(I can’t stop laughing)
Which is why I asked if this was turning into a pron thread
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calcajun Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:00:59pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
KT,
My only suggestion was to note that the nuttiness of these folks. Those who don’t know you might think you were somehow promoting them. That’s all.
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JustABill Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:01:22pm |
I actually kind of like C-SPAN, Especially when they cover events. No spin, no editorial, just what happened/is happening. Of course there selection of events/guests might show some bias, but I find it to be reasonably balanced.
Of course because they tend to show events in their entirety, you’d have to just sit in front of the TV all day to keep up on all the news…
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:01:40pm |
re: #336 jamgarr
I was raised Methodist and was told, when young, that it meant In His Service.
I don’t recall ever being told what it meant.
Point is, it’s a cross-denominational religious symbol — whatever it happens to mean.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:02:17pm |
re: #334 ellcon
It’s not just Paulians who feel encouraged, it’s anyone who is angry and scared at the massive growth and intrusiveness of the Federal Government. Mostly, those type of people are known as ‘conservatives’ - and right now, there are a lot of very encouraged conservatives.
As I’ve said before, this is the kind of fringe doom-saying tripe that targets the angry, the frustrated, the ill-informed with a populist approach designed to do two things, provide the appearance of mainstreaming fringe ideas, policies, and ideologies and to make / raise money to facilitate and expand the mainstreaming effort.
There is nothing fundamentally ‘conservative’ in the your message or those of Luap Nor. Like Laup Nor and Stormfront, you are just attempting to subvert middle America’s questioning of the policies of the current Administration and the current leaders at the State level in a number of states regarding taxes and budget issues into something far different.
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tfc3rid Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:02:18pm |
re: #346 Iron Fist
Yeah, but when you do your taxes next February you’ll owe an extra dollar a paycheck to cover the usury on the $0.35 they loaned you over the course of the year…
Sons of bitches!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:02:20pm |
re: #334 ellcon
It’s not just Paulians who feel encouraged, it’s anyone who is angry and scared at the massive growth and intrusiveness of the Federal Government. Mostly, those type of people are known as ‘conservatives’ - and right now, there are a lot of very encouraged conservatives.
I’m beginning to get very weary of your deceptive promotion of Ron Paul at my website. You may think you’re flying under the radar, but you’re not.
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jamgarr Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #349 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I don’t recall ever being told what it meant.
Point is, it’s a cross-denominational religious symbol — whatever it happens to mean.
No argument here
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:05:05pm |
re: #350 Athos
As I’ve said before, this is the kind of fringe doom-saying tripe that targets the angry, the frustrated, the ill-informed with a populist approach designed to do two things, provide the appearance of mainstreaming fringe ideas, policies, and ideologies and to make / raise money to facilitate and expand the mainstreaming effort.
There is nothing fundamentally ‘conservative’ in the your message or those of Luap Nor. Like Laup Nor and Stormfront, you are just attempting to subvert middle America’s questioning of the policies of the current Administration and the current leaders at the State level in a number of states regarding taxes and budget issues into something far different.
It’s called entryism, and we’ve already seen what the far right can do when they latch onto an issue and try to make it their own. They infiltrated the counter-jihad, and now they want to do it with fiscal conservatism.
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shortshrift Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:05:08pm |
Killgore Trout,
It appears that Stormfronters despise Fox News, like so many here. Is this an association forming?
You seem to be pursuing your cleansing mission. You shun the tea parties because people with views you disagree with show up, but have you checked your neighbors yet? Most neighborhoods contain ignorant bigots of one stripe or another. How large does the space - physical or abstract - have to be before their presence is sufficiently dilute for you to stand in it? Is not America too small? Is not the world wide web contaminated?
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debutaunt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:06:31pm |
re: #220 Occasional Reader
My cat’s breath smells like cat food!
Kissing a non-smoker is like licking a clean ashtray.
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Adrenalyn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:08:28pm |
and Greta had on George W. Bush
and now Michael Steele
the shame of Foxnews
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tryptic67 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:08:47pm |
re: #342 Cato the Elder
The CNS report is still hysterical, though.
I will give you that. I think it’s equally obvious that this is (yet another) case of Barack making an unforced error. Such is life.
Carthago delenda est.
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ellcon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:11:03pm |
re: #352 Charles
If that’s what you think, then there’s no room for me, can you shut down my account? I didn’t see an option to do so in account maintenance.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:13:06pm |
re: #360 ellcon
There ya go! I felt it was coming down the pike…
In honoe of John Madden retiring today…
BOOM!
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:14:38pm |
re: #360 ellcon
BuhBye - enjoy the fringe.
Although, I do have to add, at least this was with less drama than is usual for the Paulbots.
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hazzyday Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:20:43pm |
GoP loses an election to the left. The economy downturns. The middle class is left hanging high and dry in the stimulus package as the rich and the poor get bailed out. Banks still return good profits while still raising credit card rates because they can. And they can also take the middle class tax payments thus taxing the middle class twice through bailouts and interest rate and fee increases. Honest homebuyers wishing the American dream for the first time get hooked on ok payments but untenable interest rates flounder in the downturn as the stimulus boat passes them by.
It’s an eye opener for a lot of people and many feel the need for better policies out of the government. A political awakening occurs. The MSM tries to dampen it for their gluttonous politicians. A lot of people sense they can make money out of misery by stimulating it. The average person wants their money to stay in their pocket and not be cheated by banks or by the government.
The paulians = the perennial doom and gloomers feel their time has come. It is a time when a doom and gloomer can reap what they have sown. But it won’t last long.
It’s not accurate to cast this oppressed middle class as Paulians or Stromfronters though some of them will listen. It is accurate to invite discussions and detail the defects of Paulians and Stormfronters. Every honest person should be repulsed by Alex Jones. How to recognize them and why they are bad for the US? The tea parties should be looked at as an opportunity to rebuild a GoP grassroots effort. Voter registration should occur. How to become a well informed activist in local politics should occur. There should be a pamphlet on the 10 best ways to recognize kookiness and how to be effective without them. I’m still seeing the GoP as stagnant and unable to conduct any type of outreach in web 2.0, marketing 2.0, msm 2.0 They are very much stuck in the past. They are letting themselves be defined by their opponents in an unflattering way.
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hazzyday Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:24:35pm |
re: #358 Adrenalyn
and Greta had on George W. Bush
and now Michael Steelethe shame of Foxnews
There should be no interest in Fox news presenting the views of Alex Jones unless the segment is title “The kook hour for malcontents” : “Are you one or aren’t you?”
To present him any other way smears GWB and Michael Steele. Why give them equal platforms. Because they have a couple of reasonable far out ideas mixed with all their hate? A college professor can make their argument better for them. It’s $$$$ and not conscience at work.
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debutaunt Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:26:48pm |
re: #339 tfc3rid
My taxes were cut… My paycheck now has an additional .35 cents in it…
Save it and pretty soon you’ll be able to buy a stamp.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:27:22pm |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
I’ve seen Killgore Derangement Syndrome before, but that’s not what this is.
Last night my husband dragged me to the Tea Party in Manhattan. I have an aversion to crowds and angry male voices blasting through loudspeakers, so I really didn’t care to be there. Turnout was between 3,000 to 4,000 — higher than what the organizers seemed to have anticipated, given their inadequate preparations. We ran across your old friend… you know… the one a few chickpeas short of a falafel. She took a pic of my hubby’s self-made Obama shirt (he’s making a face, looking down, because he could barely contain the laughter; the checkered elbow to his left is mine).
I felt the event blowed. The speakers were, with possibly two exception, solidly third-rate. People couldn’t hear anything of what was said unless they squeezed their way to the front. The message was good, though delivered in middle-brow rhetoric: a one-note outrage at bailouts and fiscal irresponsibility. Toward the end though, one speaker broke off in an off-key rant against abortion and Planned Parenthood, echoed by wild cheers from the crowd. I couldn’t take it and left at that point.
The crowd was very diverse — whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, at least one Albanian, … a veritable melting pot. I saw just a handful of open Ron Paul supporters, but quite a few other people who seemed a bit off — radically geekish or plain crazy looking. Proportionally though, this cohort was a small minority.
I wasn’t impressed by the event. The only good I can hope to come from these gatherings would be a realization by proto-libertarians that they are not alone, not crazy, and it’s worth their while being outraged at government-gone-bad. But there was no direction, no instruction, no real inspiration — at least for me.
That being said, the event was not by any means co-opted by sinister factions. It’s worth keeping an eye on the attempts by Paulians, anarchists, and other paleo-con racialist disaffected fringes to take over this grass-movement. But these are open-attendance events that admit of no ideological litmus test. How can we know who the Ftormfront people are? Was I associating myself with them by attending last night, as KG sees it?
A super-majority of Ftormfronters can hypothetically attend a concert by my favorite band. Would I be associating myself with them by also attending? Perhaps a majority of white nationalists, Paulians, and other unsavory elements may be excited about and supportive of Tea Parties. That doesn’t mean the majority of protesters at these events are white nationalists or Paulians. Same as while most terrorists today are Muslim, it doesn’t mean most Muslims are terrorists. So let’s not commit a “round-trip fallacy” when evaluating the demographics of tea-parties.
Unless kooks are directly involved in the organization of the protests, I think it’s counterproductive to take issue with who’s in attendance.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:29:52pm |
re: #368 medaura18586
lol, PIMF: grassroots movement, not grass-movement. What’s wrong with me~
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freetoken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:30:04pm |
re: #358 Adrenalyn
and Greta had on George W. Bush
and now Michael Steelethe shame of Foxnews
You’re avoiding (or missing) the whole point: by treating Jones and Paul the same as Bush and Steele, Fox is elevating and mainstreaming Jones and Paul.
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Adrenalyn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:31:43pm |
re: #365 hazzyday
There should be no interest in Fox news presenting the views of Alex Jones unless the segment is title “The kook hour for malcontents” : “Are you one or aren’t you?”
To present him any other way smears GWB and Michael Steele. Why give them equal platforms. Because they have a couple of reasonable far out ideas mixed with all their hate? A college professor can make their argument better for them. It’s $$$$ and not conscience at work.
every time a MSM network has on a conservative
“The kook hour for malcontents” : “Are you one or aren’t you?”
they pretty much drive that theme at their viewers
now “we” are helping them ?
I think the average conservative can see what Paul, Duke, Buchannon, et al. stand for without us beating ourselves up over them as if they were the platform
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Yashmak Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:32:50pm |
re: #366 TimC
But I am pretty disappointed to see LGF rather quickly descending to worrying about the fringe of the GOP rather than covering what by most accounts was a very positive day.
It’s important to out the fringe, to marginalize them, and keep them from gaining enough power to effectively become the average American voters’ idea of what conservatives represent. If they succeed in framing themselves as the voice of conservatives in general, we’ll be looking at a VERY long liberal majority.
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Adrenalyn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:33:25pm |
re: #370 freetoken
You’re avoiding (or missing) the whole point: by treating Jones and Paul the same as Bush and Steele, Fox is elevating and mainstreaming Jones and Paul.
no, I hear ya
I just think “we” are spending too much time on attacking a very small element
that’s my consistent meme
and all I am about lately
/perhaps my communication skills are not the best, I’ll admit
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hazzyday Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:38:30pm |
re: #234 Charles
There’s a real epidemic around here lately of “attacking the messenger.”
Killgore predicted this a few months ago indicating a change in his activist stance. While I disagree with the broad brushing and the hyperbole. I am not smart enough to say that is not what is needed. LGF’ers in general have a better view of scientific thinking, crypto-facismm and out right mainstream nuts than most bloggers do.
See some of the Jaywalking videos here It is somewhat shocking what some people are thinking. How do you wake them up?
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:44:11pm |
re: #368 medaura18586
PIMF: Ftormfronters —> Stormfronters… No idea why that happened twice.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:44:56pm |
re: #366 TimC
Registered 5 years, with only 26 comments.
These posts really are waking up a lot of sleepers.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:45:21pm |
re: #372 Yashmak
It’s important to out the fringe, to marginalize them, and keep them from gaining enough power to effectively become the average American voters’ idea of what conservatives represent. If they succeed in framing themselves as the voice of conservatives in general, we’ll be looking at a VERY long liberal majority.
I don’t see anyone else doing it.
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funky chicken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:52:28pm |
re: #368 medaura18586
I felt the event blowed. The speakers were, with possibly two exception, solidly third-rate. People couldn’t hear anything of what was said unless they squeezed their way to the front. The message was good, though delivered in middle-brow rhetoric: a one-note outrage at bailouts and fiscal irresponsibility. Toward the end though, one speaker broke off in an off-key rant against abortion and Planned Parenthood, echoed by wild cheers from the crowd. I couldn’t take it and left at that point.
not good….hopefully the next speaker wasn’t somebody ranting about the grave threat of gay marriage….or “Darwinism”
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Yashmak Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:56:19pm |
re: #378 Charles
I don’t see anyone else doing it.
Unfortunately, I don’t either…with the exception of a couple of nice notes you’ve posted from a select few other ‘blogs.
It’s a shame really.
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TedStriker Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:56:40pm |
re: #352 Charles
I’m beginning to get very weary of your deceptive promotion of Ron Paul at my website. You may think you’re flying under the radar, but you’re not.
Is that the sound of Stinky warming up in the bullpen I hear?
/
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:59:52pm |
re: #379 funky chicken
not good….hopefully the next speaker wasn’t somebody ranting about the grave threat of gay marriage….or “Darwinism”
Nah, the next speaker I believe was Newt Gingrich. The focus was, other than that freak’s rant, mostly on topic. It was actually a bit repetitive. My legs were so tired by the end of it though, I was pretty much just looking for an excuse to make my exit.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:05:54pm |
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funky chicken Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:14:37pm |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
I think there’s something of an epidemic of “if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Killgore keeps going to the Stormfront site, to find evidence of Stormfront support for the Tea Parties. Quel surprise, he finds it. Of course, he appears to ignore any evidence of this phenomenon being anything OTHER than a Stormfront/Paulian/Troofer/Nirther production.
Like I said, I really, genuinely went to Lafayette Park yesterday expecting to be surrounded by neo-Nazi nutballs; I was stopping by to view what I expected was going to be a disturbing circus. It was nothing remotely like that - wall to wall normal-looking people. Many other LGFers are reporting the same thing. Doesn’t this perhaps mean something?
I suppose it shouldn’t be any surprise that losers like the Stormfront bunch would try to act like they matter. I’d never heard of Stormfront before last fall, to tell you the truth. They are fringe losers, and will remain fringe losers no matter what they say about themselves on their web site.
I don’t have a problem with announcing their presence and intentions so folks don’t get fooled into helping to support the idiots though.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:20:11pm |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
I’ll try one more time. You used the phrase “happy medium.” I was playing with the word “medium” as in physic, fortune teller etc.
So, I said “I’ll tell you your fortune for free, hahahaha, I’m happy.”
With me yet? HAPPY MEDIUM?
It was a cat.
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EricWRN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:25:54pm |
re: #368 medaura18586
Regarding the co-opting of protests by fringe groups: this has been a problem as long as there have been protests. I was recently reading about the Sons Of Liberty leading up to the Revolution, and they would actively police protests from being co-opted by fringe groups and outliers who would sully their overall message.
That being said, I think Ron Paul gets terribly misrepresented at this site. I’ve read this blog daily for years and never understood why. Paul seems incredibly naive about middle east politics but other than that, I think he’s spot-on with MOST of his talking points. While I would never vote for him, and Joe Schmoe Libertarian is batshit crazy, I would love if he wasn’t so vilified by republicans.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:43:36pm |
re: #386 EricWRN
Paul seems incredibly naive about middle east politics but other than that, I think he’s spot-on with MOST of his talking points.
Bold added - which is why I down dinged you. His rantings about the Fed, the Gold Standard, toadying to the Alex Jones, 9/11 Troofers, Rockwell, Stormfront, and hypocrisy regarding the budget and budgetary policy are just a short list of topics he is not spot on. He is nothing more than a crank - and appears to be considered a crank by most of his professional colleagues in the House.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:46:00pm |
re: #386 EricWRN
That being said, I think Ron Paul gets terribly misrepresented at this site. I’ve read this blog daily for years and never understood why. Paul seems incredibly naive about middle east politics but other than that, I think he’s spot-on with MOST of his talking points. While I would never vote for him, and Joe Schmoe Libertarian is batshit crazy, I would love if he wasn’t so vilified by republicans.
This is absolutely false. The one misrepresenting Ron Paul is you — he’s a kook with weird unworkable ideas about the economy (return to the gold standard? you’ve gotta be kidding) and unsavory racist connections. And his followers are the most insane bunch of drooling mouth-breathers on the web — antisemites, New World Order nuts, conspiracy freaks, Truthers, you name it.
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Athos Thu, Apr 16, 2009 1:47:20pm |
re: #387 Athos
Oh, and to add one last point towards him and his colleagues - he is incapable of influencing any of them towards accepting his message and approach as cogent and the direction the country needs to follow. However, instead of accepting the fact that the message and process might be wrong, his arrogance is such that they are all corrupt so captured by the system that they cannot see his truth…yet still sees no problem using earmarks to generate benefits for his district so he can be re-elected.
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CLLRusso Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:00:34pm |
re: #386 EricWRN
I disagree. If I was even remotely technical (but I’m not) I’d post here a Youtube video of Ron Paul’s anti-Israel position that I read only last week and was horrified at his naivete. I do suggest you go to Youtube and look it up.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:02:25pm |
re: #386 EricWRN
I know that organizers of Tea Party protests, unless they happen to be Paulians themselves (which as Charles has pointed out, is not unheard of) cannot distinguish who the Paulians and other kooks in attendance are. So they can’t be expected to do anything about their presence. If they can keep their event’s message on topic, that’s enough for my standards.
Why are Paulians cooks? Well, I can tell you why Ron Paul himself is a cook. I know about all Paulians. Sadly, I happen to personally know very bright people (including some cousins in Jersey who happen to be Ph.D’s and finance professionals) who are taken in with him. They don’t share his anti-abortion or racialist tendencies, and when confronted with them, they just seem genuinely blind. Most of these people have latent anarchist tendencies, but haven’t generally thought through the implications of such sympathies. Anyway, they’re not all cooks. Many just don’t know know enough of his troubling positions and affiliations. Others are so attracted to Ron Paul because he is the only one advocating certain unpopular monetary positions people tend to feel strongly about — I myself am for hard money and free banking, the abolishing of fiat currency and of the Federal Reserve. These are extreme positions (as measured by popularity) with no other vocal champions on the right.
But a cook Ron Paul is. He’s not an actual libertarian but rather an “anarcho-capitalist,” or, since free enterprise cannot be sustained without a minimal arbiter of force (the state), a plain anarchist when it’s all said and done. His Mid East policy is not simply naive, but rather a consistent side effect of a) his typical paleo-con anti-semitism and b) his anarchism, which does not justify state intervention with the sovereignty of foreign states, no matter how despotic they are, even if they initiate attacks on your own country. His entire foreign-policy philosophy can be summed up by Murray Rothard’s essay “War, Peace, and the State,” to which I won’t link here because it’s at Lew Rockwell’s rabidly insane website.
Ron Paul also seems to be a radical Christian fundamentalist (hence his stance on abortion), and is involved with Dominionist elements that would have the U.S. Constitution replaced by the Bible… I guess that’s what his post-anarchist world looks like. He’s not very forthcoming about these positions, but they’re hard to avoid inferring if you actually read up on what he and his associates have been up to.
The Paulbots trying to co-opt protests and events and spamming the internet, on the other hand, are mostly snot-faced disaffected teenagers, probably from racist families, paranoid about the New World Order and whatnot. It’s hard to exhaustively sum up all the craziness though. It takes all flavors.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:04:03pm |
re: #391 medaura18586
PIMF: I don’t know about all Paulians.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:05:01pm |
re: #391 medaura18586
Arrggh… PIMF again: A kook Ron Paul is.
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SixDegrees Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:11:26pm |
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EricWRN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:17:02pm |
re: #388 Charles
I won’t deny that I may be misrepresenting Ron Paul! I’m not a libertarian, I didn’t vote for Ron Paul and never would. I simply find him and his ideas (foreign policy aside) intriguing. I personally don’t think returning to the gold standard is a crazy idea… the gold standard was ended for rather sinister reasons in my opinion.
I gave my opinion, nothing more. In fact, I preemptively agreed that the paulbots are by and large certifiably insane. My point is simply that I wouldn’t want to see someone overlooking or disregarding an idea simply because Paul endorses it.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:18:32pm |
re: #388 Charles
This is absolutely false. The one misrepresenting Ron Paul is you — he’s a kook with weird unworkable ideas about the economy (return to the gold standard? you’ve gotta be kidding) and unsavory racist connections. And his followers are the most insane bunch of drooling mouth-breathers on the web — antisemites, New World Order nuts, conspiracy freaks, Truthers, you name it.
I think he is reactionary for the sake of being reactionary, and presents even those ideas of his that are unpopular but worthy (according to me), in a crazy light. It’s as if he doesn’t want to really win and effect his desired transformation. He just wants to make some noise. He’s been in the fringes for so long that I don’t thing he would be comfortable with sober mainstream politics. He wouldn’t know what to do with actual authority.
For example: return to the gold standard. There is nothing unworkable with operating under the gold standard, but transitioning to it from a fiat standard is practically impossible. If he really cared about the erosion of the currency and the Federal Reserve’s faulty policies, he could advocate for free banking instead. Rhetorically, the argument can be framed more convincingly, and it doesn’t bear the (unfortunately) ugly/regressive associations with Gold.
But he doesn’t care about getting things done as much about agitating away at the fringes.
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EricWRN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:18:37pm |
re: #390 CLLRusso
I disagree. If I was even remotely technical (but I’m not) I’d post here a Youtube video of Ron Paul’s anti-Israel position that I read only last week and was horrified at his naivete. I do suggest you go to Youtube and look it up.
That’s exactly what I was referring to regarding his naivete concerning the middle east. I don’t think it makes him crazy, just naive.
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CLLRusso Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:20:29pm |
And not so incidentally I attended a Tea Party yesterday in Tampa, FL, and it was terribly fun! Even though I saw some Ron Paul guys there the vast majority were from all walks of life and the main concern was the socialist bent taken by Obama. Many veterans were having fun with their apparent radicalization. Most of the talk was about how far from the Constitution the government has gone, Bush gov. included. I went as much out of curiosity as anything, the last one I attended, in January, was very politically oriented and supported by the county GOP, though I received notice of this one from several places including my county GOP, the mood was different and totally patriotic. It was heart warming.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:25:21pm |
re: #368 medaura18586
LOL - great pic of hubby. If she only knew…
Note that the name she gave the pic is “Tes party redwye” - huh? Vodka diet - it plays havoc with teh spiling.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:28:15pm |
re: #395 EricWRN
I have to agree with that. Few people even understand what the gold standard was… Just like “capitalism” or “free enterprise,” it’s an economico-political notion that exists more in the Platonic world of ideas than in actual practice. No government has ever actually respected the provisions of the gold standard, just like we’ve never had pure unadulterated “free enterprise” for an economic system. I actually think they both go hand in hand and are each-other’s manifestations.
So yes, it doesn’t make sense to discard all of Ron Paul’s ideas, or all of anyone’s ideas, for that matter, regardless of their source or champion du jour. But that’s how most people’s minds inevitably work. Rather than trying inject intellectual nuance in people’s evaluations of Ron Paul, I’d rather shut Ron Paul down, marginalize him, and have him replaced by a non-embarrassing spokesperson for those same ideas of his that I do happen to agree with.
It’s also hard to separate the various elements of Ron Paul’s politics. You can’t realistically say, “foreign policy aside,” because his ridiculous views on foreign policy are an essential component of his political philosophy — paleocon trash.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:30:02pm |
re: #399 Cato the Elder
Don’t tease me about the spelling. I seem to be high on stupid pills today. I’m PIMFING all over myself. But yeah, that picture moment was priceless.
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EricWRN Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:38:49pm |
re: #400 medaura18586
Very fair assessment. And you’re right, I understated Paul’s foreign policy views as naive. They are dangerously naive.
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medaura18586 Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:45:32pm |
re: #402 EricWRN
Read that essay, “War, Peace, and the State.” Just Google it. It’s freely available. You will see what I mean by crazy. His foreign policy views are just as “naive” as anarchism itself is. And just as dangerous.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:45:53pm |
re: #401 medaura18586
Don’t tease me about the spelling. I seem to be high on stupid pills today. I’m PIMFING all over myself. But yeah, that picture moment was priceless.
Well, there’s something else about her site that I can’t stand, aside from the general loathsomeness, idiocy, bad graphic design (always a sign of derangement), and endless solecisms. When you try to open one of her pictures in a new tab, it resizes your whole damn browser window. That is so fappin’ rude.
If she would just cut that shit out, I’m sure we could come to some kind of understanding…
…in a couple of mahamanvantaras or three.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 2:57:27pm |
re: #401 medaura18586
Don’t tease me about the spelling. I seem to be high on stupid pills today. I’m PIMFING all over myself. But yeah, that picture moment was priceless.
I nominate “PIMFing all over myself” for rotating title!
Nearly PIMFed myself reading that, I did.
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Boxy_brown Thu, Apr 16, 2009 3:09:05pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
We want to be very careful of who we call Nazis. Nazis existed, exist and if we are going to be vigilant against them in the future it isn’t going to help the cause by labeling people who are not Nazis “Nazis”. Again, there was no promotion of a Nazi agenda from what I witnessed. I too had my BS detector on in anticipation but it was just a bunch of people who were worried about the waste in government. Insinuating that the people who went there soft on Nazism because some semi-human fecal matter from stormfront had an internet poll is a logical and factual fallacy and offensive to anyone with any decency who did show up. That kind of thing will be used by real Nazis to de-legitimize people who are rightly sounding the alarm against them if and when that alarm needs to be sounded.
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realwest Thu, Apr 16, 2009 4:56:10pm |
re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Hey there my friend! Been sorta out and about today, but I wanted to thank you SO MUCH for that wonderful comment you made at #943 on the Ron Paul thread last night - I can’t begin to adequately express my thanks to you; I got a ton of prayers and good wishes from lots of folks last night and My Oncologist called me early today and said PSA was up again, but not dangerous enough yet for Scans and Sugical biopsy or anything like that.
I genuinely appreciate your comments and thank you again.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 16, 2009 6:49:48pm |
re: #403 medaura18586
Read that essay, “War, Peace, and the State.” Just Google it. It’s freely available. You will see what I mean by crazy. His foreign policy views are just as “naive” as anarchism itself is. And just as dangerous.
More dangerous, in fact. Anarchists by definition can never get it together enough to actually run anything. They’re good for trading blows with police at demonstrations, when they have the nerve, otherwise they mostly just argue amongst themselves and set fire to the occasional McDonald’s in France.
Given the right combination of hysteria, bad economy and smart rhetoric, someone like Paul could actually gain enough power to help pave the way for something even worse.
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Joel Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:28:50pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
There are dozens of threads on stormfront about the Tea Parties. They had a poll last night and something like 60-70% of stormfront readers said they attended their local Tea Parties yesterday. If you read the Stormfront threads there’s a good chance that you will find a stormfront member attending the same Tea Party that you went to. You are free to associate with whoever you want to but don’t blame me for pointing it out.
Of course Stormfront (like the PLO) would never lie. I was at a tea party yesterday and my experience was the same as Dianna’s.
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Wendya Thu, Apr 16, 2009 9:05:27pm |
re: #63 Killgore Trout
There are dozens of threads on stormfront about the Tea Parties. They had a poll last night and something like 60-70% of stormfront readers said they attended their local Tea Parties yesterday. If you read the Stormfront threads there’s a good chance that you will find a stormfront member attending the same Tea Party that you went to. You are free to associate with whoever you want to but don’t blame me for pointing it out.
You really are a piece of work.
Want to point out the white supremacists in this photo?
I suspect you think we’re all just a bunch of useful idiots being manipulated by sooper-seekret nazi’s or some other load of moonbattery. I contend it is YOU who are being manipulated to regurgitate Nancy Pelosi style talking points about citizens who gathered to exercise their right of speech and assembly. You really remind me of the country club republicans who would be embarassed to be seen mingling with the “little people”. After all, we’re just supposed to shut the fuck up and maintain the status quo.
What this country needs more of is people willing to stand up and speak out. What we need less of is elitist scum who sneer at people protesting out of control government spending.
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Tom on the Rez Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:41pm |
Why do I have to come here to finally get the facts - Cato the Elder, #9
“”IHS” is not an abbreviation for the name of Jesus. Idiots. It stands for “in hoc signo”, short for in hoc signo vinces, the Latin for εν τούτω νίκα, “in this [sign] thou shalt conquer”, the motto adopted by Constantine after he saw the chi-rho before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge AD 312, which caused him to convert to Christianity. It is the sign of Imperial state religion. Nothing wrong with that, historically speaking, but we are (supposedly) not an empire and (supposedly) not about establishing a religion. And that doesn’t even seem to be the reason, since GU was asked to cover all symbols. Maybe the White House wanted only the American flag.”
Anywho, why was Napolitano ever on Fox to begin with? So he was once a judge, big deal. As a long-time Fox watcher, it was easy to tell he was “off” from the very first. At first I thought he was a lefty (well, a statist with anti-constitutional rights leanings). Now he just seems to be a conspiracy nut. His hair gets that way from the tin-foil hat.
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