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People used to say my music was too difficult or too obscure, and I never set out to be difficult or obscure. I just set out to write what I felt as honestly as I could, and I am delighted when other people feel a part of themselves in the music.

Leonard Cohen

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1 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:24:31pm

guns, guns, guns!

2 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:11pm

every home should have them.

unless you';re a felon or clumsy, that is.

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:11pm

The msm is the enemy.

4 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:25:45pm

or psychotic... forgot about that minor issue.

5 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:26:06pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

The msm is the enemy.

and your 2nd clue was?

/white smoke

6 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:03pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

The msm is the enemy.

Truly, why am I still seeing Dan Rather on the TV?
Has the man no shame at all?

7 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:27:56pm

One of the best marksmen in the FBI was passing through a small town. Everywhere he saw evidences of the most amazing shooting. On trees, on walls, and on fences there were numerous bull's-eyes with the bullet hole in dead center. The FBI man asked one of the townsmen if he could meet the person responsible for this wonderful marksmanship. The man turned out to be the
village idiot.

"This is the best marksmanship I have ever seen." said theFBI man. "How in the world do you do it?"

"Nothing to it," said the idiot. "I shoot first and draw the circles afterward."

8 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:28:09pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

I'd like to nominate Glenn Beck for the 2009 award.

9 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:21pm

re: #6 rawmuse

I'm just thinking about the Beck meltdowns, and I think it's important to consider the msm without any ideological lines. They are who they are.

All of them.

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:29:45pm

re: #8 Pvt Bin Jammin

PBJ was getting me. +1

11 teleskiguy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:00pm

Information is
Not knowledge
Knowledge is
Not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best...
-Frank Zappa, Packard Goose

12 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:03pm

Everybody should have a handgun and a Leonard Cohen CD.

/Baby I been waitin'... Waitin' for the miracle to come.

13 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:30:08pm

re: #6 rawmuse

Truly, why am I still seeing Dan Rather on the TV?
Has the man MFM no shame at all?

it would seem the answer is "no" in either version of the question.

14 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:31:27pm

re: #1 redc1c4

Sorry. I'll stop.

15 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:32:16pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

Information is
Not knowledge
Knowledge is
Not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best...
-Frank Zappa, Packard Goose

Joe's Garage...
Great stuff.

16 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:33:47pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

Anybody we know?

17 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:00pm
18 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:34:02pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

Just when I thought my contempt for Glen Beck couldn't get any deeper, I get surprised. Why intelligent people like Byron York and Jonah Goldberg debase themselves by going on his show I have no idea.

19 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:35:03pm

re: #14 Van Helsing

Sorry. I'll stop.

no need on my account... guns are as important to a proper LNDT as fruitcup.

and i just posted a reply down stairs to your last in reply to my follow up.

20 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:35:20pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

I'm just thinking about the Beck meltdowns, and I think it's important to consider the msm without any ideological lines. They are who they are.

All of them.

/is that advice or a threat?

21 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:09pm

re: #17 Fenway_Nation

I know what I want for Christmas...

/or my birthday

that's fix your carbon foot print for sure...

22 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:35pm

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

Just when I thought my contempt for Glen Beck couldn't get any deeper, I get surprised. Why intelligent people like Byron York and Jonah Goldberg debase themselves by going on his show I have no idea.

ratings?

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:36:51pm

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Alex Jones, etc. have all been mainstreamed now. They are acceptable on most conservative circles these days. The landscape has changed.

24 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:30pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Alex Jones, etc. have all been mainstreamed now. They are acceptable on most conservative circles these days. The landscape has changed.

deliberate sabotage on the part of the MFM.

25 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:37:57pm

re: #20 Killian Bundy

/is that advice or a threat?

a statement of fact.

26 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:12pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

The rehabilitation of Dan Rather seems complete as well.

27 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:27pm

speaking of the MFM, i think i'll go see if i can cap a rat... %-)

28 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:43pm

re: #26 rawmuse

The rehabilitation of Dan Rather seems complete as well.

i didn't know you could polish a turd?

29 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:38:46pm

re: #22 redc1c4

TV exposure is why, no doubt about it. I watched an entire Beck show over the weekend, Jonah Goldberg looked liked he was embarrassed to be there. He should be.

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:39:15pm

Molly the cat, meet the printer...

31 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:28pm

Options expiration today.

/whatever happens volume will be up

32 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:51pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

That was the cutest. LOL I loved the last printer/cat video you posted too. Sent it off to half my address book.

33 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:41:58pm

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

Just when I thought my contempt for Glen Beck couldn't get any deeper, I get surprised. Why intelligent people like Byron York and Jonah Goldberg debase themselves by going on his show I have no idea.

It's a vicious cycle. He has ratings. They want the expose those ratings give them. Part of why he's getting ratings are hiss guests. Vicious cycle...

34 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:42:43pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Beck was ranting about how Helen Keller was a communist the other day on his radio show. The man is truly demented.

35 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:00pm

re: #19 redc1c4

no need on my account... guns are as important to a proper LNDT as fruitcup.

and i just posted a reply down stairs to your last in reply to my follow up.

Saw that and well done.
I had to pass a security review the last time my eldest (the soldier) was home.
Long story. He thought I was too trusting.

36 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:28pm

re: #25 redc1c4

a statement of fact.

Really?

/just thinking of Beck meltdowns

37 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:43:55pm

re: #21 redc1c4

that's fix your carbon foot print for sure...


That's enough horsepower to start my own reigonal railroad almost from scratch. Both Canadian Pacific and Canadian National are getting rid of their older (yet still servicable) 2nd generation locomotives in part because of the arrival of newer locomotives from GE...but I wonder how much overbearing nanny-state 'green' policies have to do with these SD40-2s being up for bid.

I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but even using those 20-30 year old locomotives is alot 'greener' than anything the trucking industry has to offer.

All the more reason for me to loathe any additional gov't imposed 'cap and trade' crapola for the rail industry...

38 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:38pm

re: #20 Killian Bundy

/is that advice or a threat?

Neither.

39 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:45:58pm

re: #35 Van Helsing

Saw that and well done.
I had to pass a security review the last time my eldest (the soldier) was home.
Long story. He thought I was too trusting.

good for him... i'm not as prepared as i might be, but i'm still the toughest nut on the block, and also the least likely to attract attention. the number of houses that have a flat screen hanging across from the front window is amazing, where as everything valuable in our house looks like junk. %-)

40 Athos  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:46:00pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

They are acceptable on most some conservative circles these days.

I think it is far closer to accuracy to say some, and when it comes to Beck, I don't really consider him a conservative in the traditional model, but what he calls himself, a Libretarian...just like whacko Judge Napolitano, Luap Nor, etc.

But there is a clear problem when a Sean Hannity will spend 10-15 minutes pontificating and hosting Pat Buchanan on his radio or TV show. That is where the above statement, as modified, is correct. Far too many are willing to make deals with the devil in order to gain an ally against a foe they feel is imperative to defeat...rather than expend the effort to defeat the foe without legitimizing what they will excuse as a lessor evil.

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:46:26pm

re: #34 MrPaulRevere

Beck was ranting about how Helen Keller was a communist the other day on his radio show. The man is truly demented.

I'm still disgusted with his ratings comment when his guest collapsed Monday.

42 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:33pm

Glad I don't have cable.
I can't imagine paying actual money for that bilge.

43 Athos  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:35pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

I'm still disgusted with his ratings comment when his guest collapsed Monday.

Just a demonstration of where his principles really rest.

44 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:47:43pm

re: #36 Killian Bundy

Really?

/just thinking of Beck meltdowns

which pretty much makes him part of the problem, aka "the enemy".

45 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:23pm

re: #34 MrPaulRevere

Beck was ranting about how Helen Keller was a communist the other day on his radio show. The man is truly demented.

/gee, where did he ever come up with that idea?

46 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:25pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Molly the cat, meet the printer...

My female cat will come and look at my printer when it's running. It's as if she feels friendship with it when it's printing. She doesn't try to touch it, she just wants to watch it and be near it.

47 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:38pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

That too, the man has no shame or class, in addition to being demented.

48 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:40pm

re: #43 Athos

Just a demonstration of where his principles really rest.

Absolutely.

49 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:48:51pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

I'm still disgusted with his ratings comment when his guest collapsed Monday.

i'm just disgusted, but there is a reason television is referred to as a medium.

50 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:24pm

re: #43 Athos

Just a demonstration of where his principles really rest.

he has principles?

51 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:49:40pm

Leonard Cohen is a genius.

52 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:21pm

re: #45 Killian Bundy

I know its accurate, so what? What point or agenda could conceivably be advanced by dwelling on it? He pulled it out of thin air for God only knows what reason.

53 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:22pm

re: #44 redc1c4

which pretty much makes him part of the problem, aka "the enemy".

/It's A Good Life

54 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:43pm

re: #50 redc1c4

he has principles?

Even warped principles are still principles.

55 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:50:50pm

re: #37 Fenway_Nation

What it will be is this:
We must have eco-friendly energy
It's real expensive (gasp, horror, surprise)
The poor are suffering because of the high price of energy caused by the evil (insert you favorite demon here) so justice requires that we lower the cost of energy for the most vulnerable...

So we must aid those suffering from the horrible cost of energy (which was caused by forcing 'sustainable' energy on the People' so we add a tax to energy to subsididze...

And so on.

56 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:51:00pm

re: #45 Killian Bundy

/gee, where did he ever come up with that idea?

Odd how she discusses herself for 3/4ths of the page, then suddenly at the end her tone changes so radically that I wonder if somebody else wrote it for her...

Which is entirely possible, since we're talking about a bunch of blinkered lefties here.

57 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:28pm

re: #55 Van Helsing

What it will be is this:
We must have eco-friendly energy
It's real expensive (gasp, horror, surprise)
The poor are suffering because of the high price of energy caused by the evil (insert you favorite demon here) so justice requires that we lower the cost of energy for the most vulnerable...

So we must aid those suffering from the horrible cost of energy (which was caused by forcing 'sustainable' energy on the People' so we add a tax to energy to subsididze...

And so on.

how did you manage to get a copy of the plan?

58 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:29pm

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

My female cat will come and look at my printer when it's running. It's as if she feels friendship with it when it's printing. She doesn't try to touch it, she just wants to watch it and be near it.

One of my cats, used to attack the copies coming out of the printer. In her later years she liked to sleep on top of the monitor, and took up batting at the mouse icon.

59 calcajun  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:35pm

To make matters more odd, there is talk about doing a re-make of "Red Dawn". How much more negative sentiment can we whip up, eh.

60 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:36pm

re: #52 MrPaulRevere

I know its accurate, so what? What point or agenda could conceivably be advanced by dwelling on it? He pulled it out of thin air for God only knows what reason.

/you're the one who listens to him

61 x-wing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:52:56pm

re: #52 MrPaulRevere

I know its accurate, so what? What point or agenda could conceivably be advanced by dwelling on it? He pulled it out of thin air for God only knows what reason.

Well if a blind deaf and mute girl can fall for communism?

62 Gus  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:53:29pm

re: #45 Killian Bundy

/gee, where did he ever come up with that idea?

Keller might have been a Communist but Beck is still an idiot.

63 Killian Bundy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:54:50pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Keller might have been a Communist but Beck is still an idiot.

/and?

64 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:10pm

re: #63 Killian Bundy

/and?

you may already be a winner!

65 calcajun  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:27pm

re: #58 Dustyvet

Years ago in the early 90's we had a cat that was none too bright. We opened the oven to check on a roast that was cooking. Cat jumped onto the oven door to see what smelled so good. Lots of screaming ensued after that.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:35pm

re: #52 MrPaulRevere

I know its accurate, so what? What point or agenda could conceivably be advanced by dwelling on it? He pulled it out of thin air for God only knows what reason.

Jealousy. People think Helen Keller is cool. Little kids write books reports about her. There have been movies. People probably think Helen Keller is cooler than Glenn Beck. She is NOT! She was a COMMIE!

/I don't know, but he does seem to like to compare himself with important dead people.

67 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:36pm
68 teleskiguy  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:36pm

re: #34 MrPaulRevere

Beck was ranting about how Helen Keller was a communist the other day on his radio show. The man is truly demented.


Not to legitimize Glenn "Punk" Beck, but Helen Keller was a radical socialist. She joined the socialist party in 1909 and eventually became a Wobbly. She supported many communist causes, wrote for The Crisis in the 1920s (which was a very socialist publication for the newly found NAACP) supported socialist candidate Eugene Debs in all his presidential campaigns. After the Russian Revolution, she wrote "In the East a new star is risen! With pain and anguish the old order has given birth to the new, and behold in the East a new man-child is born! Onward, comrades, all together! Onward to the campfires of Russia! Onward to the coming dawn!" She even kept a red flag over the desk in her study.

69 Gus  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:55:55pm

re: #63 Killian Bundy

/and?

I'm sure he'll come up with something on his own come tomorrow.

70 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:56:16pm

re: #65 calcajun

Years ago in the early 90's we had a cat that was none too bright. We opened the oven to check on a roast that was cooking. Cat jumped onto the oven door to see what smelled so good. Lots of screaming ensued after that.

and it never did that again... likely avoided the kitchen entirely.

/poor cat

71 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:56:59pm

re: #57 redc1c4

I believe it's on ursoscrwd.gov.
Kidding.
Actually, another glass of wine and 15 minutes and I think I can find something close.

72 calcajun  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:03pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Jealousy. People think Helen Keller is cool. Little kids write books reports about her. There have been movies. People probably think Helen Keller is cooler than Glenn Beck. She is NOT! She was a COMMIE!

/I don't know, but he does seem to like to compare himself with important dead people.

How did Helen Keller get a scar on her face?

She answered the sickle.///

73 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:29pm

Leno did a lip sync bit dressed as the Brit singer, Ms. Boyce.
Frikkin; hysterical.
Can't type. Later.

74 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:57:55pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

"In the East a new star is risen! With pain and anguish the old order has given birth to the new, and behold in the East a new man-child is born! Onward, comrades, all together! Onward to the campfires of Russia! Onward to the coming dawn!"

/puuuke

Millions of dead bodies later...

75 x-wing  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:58:09pm

re: #64 redc1c4

you may already be a winner!

Did Helen pro-create? I hear Sean Penns parents were commies ;>}

/hmmm. where do those acorns fall?

76 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:58:14pm

re: #71 Van Helsing

I believe it's on ursoscrwd.gov.
Kidding.
Actually, another glass of wine and 15 minutes and I think I can find something close.

whatta ya drinkin?

77 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:58:18pm

re: #64 redc1c4

Rat count? I really enjoy your posts. Even if I have to go back & read them the next day. I lived at Wilshire & Western for many years. Learned to shoot a 22 for the rats on the phone lines. They dropped 20+ feet, bounced, & ran off, most times.

78 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:59:30pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

The point is- there are living socialists in government now and they're a better target than a disabled dead socialist.

79 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:59:32pm

re: #65 calcajun

Years ago in the early 90's we had a cat that was none too bright. We opened the oven to check on a roast that was cooking. Cat jumped onto the oven door to see what smelled so good. Lots of screaming ensued after that.

I came home from work in the wee hours, and my then wife was in bed. I made my self a sandwich and got a glass of milk and returned the milk jug to the fridge. I ate my sandwich and drank my milk and went to bed. The Next morning my wife is standong over the bed asking why Pepper Cat was in the fridge all night...:)

80 calcajun  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:59:35pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

It's too late for any more Helen Keller jokes.

81 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:00:12am

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

Rat count? I really enjoy your posts. Even if I have to go back & read them the next day. I lived at Wilshire & Western for many years. Learned to shoot a 22 for the rats on the phone lines. They dropped 20+ feet, bounced, & ran off, most times.

tonight: 0 sighted
last night: 2 sighted but the winds had blown dead leaves into my path and they ran at the noise...

for some reason they're getting very leary about coming into the yard. they are also waiting later and later to show up.

82 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:00:22am

re: #80 calcajun

It's too late for any more Helen Keller jokes.

Glenn Beck jokes are welcome.

83 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:00:30am

re: #76 redc1c4

Me--Scotch--as usual.

84 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:00:47am

re: #55 Van Helsing


Let's say it's 'Big Coal'...

That would put coal miners out of business. Which in turn would shut down some of the smaller feeder/short haul railways servicing the coal mines. OR in the case of the larger railways (Norfolk Southern, BNSF, Canadian Pacific, etc) would drastically re-route traffic patterns, since not only are the coal mines that use their railway to transport them out of business, but the power plants that take in the 120-car coal trains would be gone as well.

Wind and solar, in addition to not really being viable would also take away traffic from the rails (hauling components for windmills or solar panels isn't viable in the long-term for them). Ethanol has been a godsend to some of the Midwestern short-haul and reigonal railways, but some of their CEOs came right out and said 'This is great for the short-term, but we don't think it will last'.

85 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:00:59am

re: #82 Sharmuta

Glenn Beck jokes

Redundant.

86 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:01:09am

re: #73 rawmuse

Leno did a lip sync bit dressed as the Brit singer, Ms. Boyce.
Frikkin; hysterical.
Can't type. Later.

I saw that too, with his tears and all. LOL

I have to say, that lady can sing.

87 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:01:24am

re: #80 calcajun

It's too late for any more Helen Keller jokes.

i can see where one more might be ok... as long as it's a light hearted one.

88 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:01:52am

re: #74 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, you gotta break a few eggs, or so says Bill Ayres.

89 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:02:12am

Learn something every day at LGF. It never even crossed my mind that Helen Keller was a communist.

/best TWZ episode ever

90 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:03:35am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

Into the cornfield...

THAT ONE scared the hell out of me.

91 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:04:00am

re: #78 Sharmuta

The point is- there are living socialists in government now and they're a better target than a disabled dead socialist.

I remember this scenario in the 1940's. History keeps repeating itself. Do we go full bore and get the McCarthy treatment?

We're out of power already, I'm up to it.

92 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:04:24am

Red Diamond Merlot.
I haven't found the references to the great CO2 transfer that I thought I would find.

Hmmm... this Subversive observations
might deal with science. I'd be careful lest the consensus come and get you.

93 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:04:27am

re: #88 calcajun

Well, you gotta break a few eggs, or so says Bill Ayres.

Yeah. 30 million eggs in Russia, 50 million eggs in China, 3 million eggs in Southeast Asia... The reds make some pretty fuckin' big omelets. And that's before we measure the monetary cost of their egg industry...

94 teleskiguy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:04:32am

re: #82 Sharmuta

Glenn Beck jokes are welcome.


Glenn Beck is so stupid he thinks Fleetwood Mac is a new hamburger at McDonalds! BOO YAH!

95 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:05:01am

re: #91 x-wing

There won't be a liberal McCarthy--it will be lot more subtle.

96 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:06:43am

tonight's "only red" tale... i went to a disaster preparedness meeting for the local neighborhood councils and various city depts. i'm the only not muckety muck to attend these meetings, having self invited myself to the first one.

at the end, the department manager for the Disaster Preparedness and the Neighborhood Empowerment divisions of the city congratulated me on my suggestions and observations, as did the city atty rep, who said i got him thinking as to what folks had been doing and why their previous actions were a violation of the city charter, but that i'd also suggested a good way out of the problem.

not bad for a derelict rat killer... %-)

97 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:06:50am

Nite--c y'all in the AM.

98 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:07:08am

re: #94 teleskiguy

Glenn Beck is so stupid he thinks Fleetwood Mac is a new hamburger at McDonalds! BOO YAH!

But you can only get that burger if you drive through in your Coupe de Ville.

99 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:08:08am

re: #94 teleskiguy

Glenn Beck is so stupid he thinks Fleetwood Mac is a new hamburger at McDonalds! BOO YAH!

Glen Beck is so stupid he thinks what he says is worth listening to.

/rim shot

100 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:08:14am

re: #96 redc1c4

Apathy is why governments give way to dictatorships. Stay involved.

101 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:08:36am

re: #95 calcajun

There won't be a liberal McCarthy--it will be lot more subtle.

Charlie McCarthy then?

102 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:09:37am

re: #101 redc1c4

Not so stiff and wooden (and how many out there know who the hell we're talking about)

103 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:09:51am

re: #95 calcajun

There won't be a liberal McCarthy--it will be lot more subtle.

I didn't mean that. I meant if we are going to out these commies,ahem ,socialists in the governmement now, we have to be ready for that kind of bullshit.

104 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:10:29am

re: #100 calcajun

Apathy is why governments give way to dictatorships. Stay involved.

i can't be bothered with apathy...

actually, i started attending because the local busy body, who i've grown to despise, has had a habit of grabbing my ideas and presenting them as his own... kinda hard for him to do that now. %-)

105 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:10:44am

re: #84 Fenway_Nation

Let's say it's 'Big Coal'...

That would put coal miners out of business. Which in turn would shut down some of the smaller feeder/short haul railways servicing the coal mines. OR in the case of the larger railways (Norfolk Southern, BNSF, Canadian Pacific, etc) would drastically re-route traffic patterns, since not only are the coal mines that use their railway to transport them out of business, but the power plants that take in the 120-car coal trains would be gone as well.

Wind and solar, in addition to not really being viable would also take away traffic from the rails (hauling components for windmills or solar panels isn't viable in the long-term for them). Ethanol has been a godsend to some of the Midwestern short-haul and reigonal railways, but some of their CEOs came right out and said 'This is great for the short-term, but we don't think it will last'.

Ethanol production from corn is a horror. It causes starvation (and may interfere with the growth of the grapes I like - un acceptable)
Seen the clean coal commercials? One group has the putz opening the door on a windy wasteland that indicates that there is no clean coal, the other is a lovely pie int the sky thing that talks of CO2 sequestration (that no on knows how to do) as the future of Power In America.

Doomed. And Screwed.

106 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:10:48am

re: #103 x-wing

Um- there's one in the Oval Office. We all know it.

107 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:11:50am

re: #105 Van Helsing

Ethanol production from corn is a horror. It causes starvation (and may interfere with the growth of the grapes I like - un acceptable)
Seen the clean coal commercials? One group has the putz opening the door on a windy wasteland that indicates that there is no clean coal, the other is a lovely pie int the sky thing that talks of CO2 sequestration (that no on knows how to do) as the future of Power In America.

Doomed. And Screwed.

good thing i don't have kids... i'd be even more depressed.

108 Athos  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:11:54am

re: #95 calcajun

There won't be a liberal McCarthy--it will be lot more subtle.

Really? Find and watch the confirmation hearings of Justice Thomas, Robert Bork, Justice Alito, John Bolton, and many other conservative nominees and let me know if the issues are subtle? Is Barney Frank subtle? Chuckie Schumer?

When it comes to McCarthy, not only are the left very wrong and working revisionist history in most cases, but they are conveniently forgetting JFK and RFK were quite the buds of McCarthy had fundamentally didn't have issues with his approaches - which the Venona dispatches largely confirmed.

Who actually worked to pass the Smith Act in 1940 and signed the executive order in 1947 which basically required a loyalty oath and banned communist party members from government jobs? It wasn't Joe McCarthy or the Republicans.

McCarthy wasn't a nice guy. But he didn't start until the Dem left starting covering up for and excusing Alger Hiss - who was a Soviet agent in 1950...he didn't have chairmanship of his committee until 1953 - and held it only until censured by a Congress that was embarrassed by the fact that there were a lot of Soviet agents infiltrated into the government.

109 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:11:59am

re: #102 calcajun

Not so stiff and wooden (and how many out there know who the hell we're talking about)

I do. Can we bring out his buddy Mortimer?

110 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:12:16am

re: #106 Sharmuta

Um- there's one in the Oval Office. We all know it.

and then there's her husband.

/white smoke

111 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:12:54am

re: #94 teleskiguy

Glenn Beck is so stupid he thinks Fleetwood Mac is a new hamburger at McDonalds! BOO YAH!

/I'm pretty sure we haven'r quantified how much Beck sucks yet

112 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:13:07am

re: #103 x-wing

I didn't mean that. I meant if we are going to out these commies,ahem ,socialists in the governmement now, we have to be ready for that kind of bullshit.

Funny--that;s what I thought you meant at first. Went the other way because ... well, we're kinda in the minority right now and something of an endangered species.

Really must go close eyes.

113 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:13:16am

re: #96 redc1c4

tonight's "only red" tale... i went to a disaster preparedness meeting for the local neighborhood councils and various city depts. i'm the only not muckety muck to attend these meetings, having self invited myself to the first one.

at the end, the department manager for the Disaster Preparedness and the Neighborhood Empowerment divisions of the city congratulated me on my suggestions and observations, as did the city atty rep, who said i got him thinking as to what folks had been doing and why their previous actions were a violation of the city charter, but that i'd also suggested a good way out of the problem.

not bad for a derelict rat killer... %-)

114 Athos  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:14:28am

re: #104 redc1c4

Kudos for participating. I actually don't mind the rare times when a gadfly attends our council meetings - fisking him is not that different from taking on a troll.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:14:31am

re: #102 calcajun

Not so stiff and wooden (and how many out there know who the hell we're talking about)

I do!

116 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:14:59am

re: #96 redc1c4

Good for you, Red. My daughter has to take those "first responder" classes for her job. Now she has a mandatory meeting with the Coroners office where they give opinions of how someone died. She has a BS in Business Admin., she's a former cop and now is an advocate for senior citizen victims of crime. She is learning a lot.

117 teleskiguy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:15:03am

re: #99 redc1c4

Glen Beck is so stupid he thinks what he says is worth listening to.

/rim shot


Glenn Beck is so stupid he makes Beavis and Butthead look like Nobel Prize winners!
/tom-tom cymbal

118 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:15:44am

re: #89 Killian Bundy

Learn something every day at LGF. It never even crossed my mind that Helen Keller was a communist.


[Video]/best TWZ episode ever

Commune - ism, and the communal concept is VERY ATTRACTIVE as an ideal.

What outcomes and realities RESULT FROM Communism and Communist Socialism and Socialist states imposed on productive humans ...

is a record of horror, dehumanizing force and demeaning bureaucracy applied with soul-numbing regularity!

119 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:16:37am

re: #106 Sharmuta

Um- there's one in the Oval Office. We all know it.

I agree, and we all tried to let the American people know that before the election, and look where we're at.

I know Beck's been loing it, but I can't really blame him. What has tohappen for this country to wake up and realize what us lizards already see?

120 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:16:40am

re: #61 x-wing

Well if a blind deaf and mute girl can fall for communism?

It just goes to show you what can happen when someone can't (or won't) see or hear any information coming in from their surrounding world, and solely relies on feelings.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:16:41am

re: #117 teleskiguy

Glenn Beck is so stupid he makes Beavis and Butthead look like Nobel Prize winners!
/tom-tom cymbal

Glenn Beck is so stupid that when that guy passed out on his show he called Dr. Dre!

(Oh Lord, I am dating myself, no?)

122 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:17:18am

re: #107 redc1c4

good thing i don't have kids... i'd be even more depressed.

I have kids.
And grand kids (I'm a Grumpy Old Phucker).
I said nothing about giving up.
Someone else will be more disappointed with their choices than I am with mine.
Whatever we can do within reason, we need to make noise for ours side.

123 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:17:30am

re: #108 Athos

Down, boy.

There will not be ONE liberal McCarthy analog--there will be a cadre of them, none which will be as visible as the old Jr. Senator from WI. AS for the confirmations hearings--let's see what the GOP does with BHO's first high-profile appointments--BTW, Ginsberg is not long for the bench-- or this world--due to her cancer.

124 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:17:55am

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Glenn Beck is so stupid that when that guy passed out on his show he called Dr. Dre!

(Oh Lord, I am dating myself, no?)

I'm older then dirt, and rocks address me as sir...:)

125 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:18:30am

re: #124 Dustyvet

I'm older then dirt, and rocks address me as sir...:)

In dog years, I'm dead...:)

126 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:18:37am

re: #114 Athos

Kudos for participating. I actually don't mind the rare times when a gadfly attends our council meetings - fisking him is not that different from taking on a troll.

well, it helps that i have training in the sort of thing they're trying to do, plus a good understanding of how large organizations like the city w*rk, 'cause they aren't really any different than the army in most aspects. if you stay sane and understand the rules, you can get things done.

the same thing applies as council meetings. what amazes me is when people on the board, who you would hope knew better, get sideways over some pet project or issue that isn't do able.

127 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:18:44am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

/I'm pretty sure we haven'r quantified how much Beck sucks yet

Glenn Beck sucks so much that black holes are drawn to HIM.

128 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:19:51am

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

Glenn Beck is so stupid that when that guy passed out on his show he called Dr. Dre!

(Oh Lord, I am dating myself, no?)

might as well... will anyone else?

/white smoke

129 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:20:11am

re: #108 Athos

In other words, Athos, our government representatives didn't feel embarrassed by the Soviet spies, the felt embarrassment that SO MANY SPIES were being unmasked by McCarthy and friends!

130 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:21:01am

re: #119 x-wing

I agree, and we all tried to let the American people know that before the election, and look where we're at.

I know Beck's been loing it, but I can't really blame him. What has tohappen for this country to wake up and realize what us lizards already see?

i blame him for choosing ratings over facts.

131 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:22:09am

For the Objectivist lizards: I found this video on Peter Cresswell's blog "Not PC" (pc.blogspot.com) This is from the Tax Day Tea Party held at the Alamo. Beck interviews Penn Jillette ( from Penn & Teller ) who talks about Atlas Shrugged from about 5 minutes into the video.

132 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:22:15am

re: #116 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good for her! Senior citizens who are victims of a crime, need lots of good help! ( Says the caregiver for 3 elderly relatives!)

133 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:22:40am

re: #127 Salamantis

Glenn Beck sucks so much that black holes are drawn to HIM.

he sucks so bad he can pull a bowling ball through IV tubing tied up in knots and heat sealed at both ends.

134 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:22:54am

re: #130 redc1c4

i blame him for choosing ratings over facts.

Or decency.

135 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:23:57am

re: #133 redc1c4

he sucks so bad he can pull a bowling ball through IV tubing tied up in knots and heat sealed at both ends.

He sucks so much that he has a second job orally de-chroming trailer hitches.

136 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:24:32am

re: #120 Salamantis

It just goes to show you what can happen when someone can't (or won't) see or hear any information coming in from their surrounding world, and solely relies on feelings.

Yeah, what are we up to now 62 million.

/Beer is a wonderful thing.

137 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:25:50am

re: #131 Fierce Guppy

Penn Jillette, Glenn Beck fan. Who knew?

/dial 911 for extreme cognitive dissonance

138 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:26:26am

is 39 posts since 29AUG08 a suspicious profile for someone wondering what the problem is with creationism?

#230 down stairs...

/yes, i screwed up and posted this message there too.

//dork

139 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:26:56am

re: #124 Dustyvet

I'm older then dirt, and rocks address me as sir...:)

So you're saying, when you were young, the Dead Sea was only sick? ;>}

140 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:27:08am

re: #132 Floral Giraffe

Good for her! Senior citizens who are victims of a crime, need lots of good help! ( Says the caregiver for 3 elderly relatives!)

I am really afraid the money will dry up for that in the next year or so. She will still have job security, as she will just be an advocate for victims of any age, but it's a real shame. They have really tried to make a difference. You would not even believe how many elderly people are raped. It is unbelievable. She is always reminding me to lock the doors.

141 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:27:44am

re: #139 x-wing

So you're saying, when you were young, the Dead Sea was only sick? ;>}

Yeah..:)

142 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:27:53am

re: #136 x-wing

Yeah, what are we up to now 62 million.

/Beer is a wonderful thing.

not allowing for faked voter registrations, dual voters, illegal aliens, etc...re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am really afraid the money will dry up for that in the next year or so. She will still have job security, as she will just be an advocate for victims of any age, but it's a real shame. They have really tried to make a difference. You would not even believe how many elderly people are raped. It is unbelievable. She is always reminding me to lock the doors.

for a bottle of Captain Morgan, i'll do a security check for you!

143 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:28:42am

re: #141 Dustyvet

Yeah..:)

but were you there for the beer bash that resulted in it filling in to begin with?

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:29:04am

re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am really afraid the money will dry up for that in the next year or so. She will still have job security, as she will just be an advocate for victims of any age, but it's a real shame. They have really tried to make a difference. You would not even believe how many elderly people are raped. It is unbelievable. She is always reminding me to lock the doors.

The elderly can be terribly vulnerable. Major props to her for doing this work.

145 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:29:17am

re: #143 redc1c4

but were you there for the beer bash that resulted in it filling in to begin with?

Umm, I missed that part...)

146 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:29:30am

re: #138 redc1c4

is 39 posts since 29AUG08 a suspicious profile for someone wondering what the problem is with creationism?

There's no problem with Creationism.

/unless you also believe the Earth is 6000 years old and [expletive deleted] like that

147 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:30:01am

re: #139 x-wing

So you're saying, when you were young, the Dead Sea was only sick? ;>}

The last time I heard that one I fell off my dinosaur.

148 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:30:56am

re: #129 Karridine

In other words, Athos, our government representatives didn't feel embarrassed by the Soviet spies, the felt embarrassment that SO MANY SPIES were being unmasked by McCarthy and friends!

Yes. That asshole(can't remember his name) that said "HAVE YOU NO SHAME" bothers me to this day.

/Capone and Emanuel quotes running through my head...

149 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:31:17am

re: #146 Killian Bundy

There's no problem with Creationism.

/unless you also believe the Earth is 6000 years old and [expletive deleted] like that

it was a quick paraphrase... the poster doesn't see why it should be an issue that the GOP is pushing it as part of it's agenda. that attitude and the posting history seems iffy.

150 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:31:31am

Random question- think the police ever recovered those shotguns and AR15s that were stolen from parked California Highway Patrol cruisers earlier this year?

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:32:10am

re: #146 Killian Bundy

There's no problem with Creationism.

/unless you also believe the Earth is 6000 years old and [expletive deleted] like that

I'm sorry. Every time this comes up, all I can think of is MC Hawking, singing "F*** Tha Creationists".

152 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:32:28am

re: #133 redc1c4

he sucks so bad he can pull a bowling ball through IV tubing tied up in knots and heat sealed at both ends.

Dude you need a drink. That took too many cells to think up ;>}

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:32:57am

I'm out. Good night, all.

154 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:32:58am

re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am really afraid the money will dry up for that in the next year or so. She will still have job security, as she will just be an advocate for victims of any age, but it's a real shame. They have really tried to make a difference. You would not even believe how many elderly people are raped. It is unbelievable. She is always reminding me to lock the doors.

In two separate incidents in my own subdivision, elderly women living alone have been raped and murdered by an apparently lone home invader and their homes burgled.

They still haven't caught the perp.

I'm a well-armed, martial-arts-trained, and (now) healthy guy, but I'm still damn glad my home is brick, and that I had burglar bars installed.

Stealthy intruders can do anything to you if they catch you sleeping.

155 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:33:07am

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Random question- think the police ever recovered those shotguns and AR15s that were stolen from parked California Highway Patrol cruisers earlier this year?

they're in Mexico... (or Oakland %-)

never in a thousand years. CHP stands for Can't Handle Policew*rk

if they are found, it will be by real cops, not some Caltrans w*rker with a gun.

156 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:33:47am

re: #133 redc1c4

he sucks so bad he can pull a bowling ball through IV tubing tied up in knots and heat sealed at both ends.

LOL He totally bugs me.

It's just really, really embarrassing to me that the "only" simi-conservative" TV news show has gone that far out. How in the hell could we ever get a middle of the road person over to our side, much less a disgruntled lib?

157 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:33:57am

re: #152 x-wing

Dude you need a drink. That took too many cells to think up ;>}

well, last time i checked, all you had was BudLite, since i snagged the rum for the fruitcup last night when you passed out...

158 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:34:26am

re: #156 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL He totally bugs me.

It's just really, really embarrassing to me that the "only" simian-conservative" TV news show has gone that far out. How in the hell could we ever get a middle of the road person over to our side, much less a disgruntled lib?

FTFY!

159 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:34:30am

re: #155 redc1c4

they're in Mexico... (or Oakland %-)

never in a thousand years. CHP stands for Can't Handle Policew*rk

if they are found, it will be by real cops, not some Caltrans w*rker with a gun.

CHP=AAA with a badge...;)

160 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:35:09am

re: #130 redc1c4

i blame him for choosing ratings over facts.

Haven't really been following him closley. What facts is he getting wrong?

161 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:35:13am

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

I kinda forgot about that. Was that in the San Diego area?

162 teleskiguy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:35:33am

OK, it's getting late and I have class in the morning.
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

(Oh Lord, I am dating myself, no?)


Uh oh, I'm doing the same to myself. At least I can proudly say I'm non-traditional. Nite Lizards!

163 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:36:48am

re: #160 x-wing

Haven't really been following him closley. What facts is he getting wrong?

He wants creationism taught in public schools, so he obviously thinks that it is scientifically valid

164 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:36:58am

re: #159 Dustyvet

CHP=AAA with a badge...;)

except they won't stop to help. 2H6 got deliberately rammed by a hit and run driver, and it took fucknut an hour to make his appearance. his first question wasn't "are you =ok" or "did you get a plate & description?"

shit head only wanted to know if she had been wearing her seatbelt, i guess so he could ticket her. he then told her to call AAA and drove the fuck off.

yeah, it still pisses me off. fuck the CHP.

165 gmsc  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:37:14am

Just popping in here briefly – I can't stay for fruitcup (I wish I could, though).

I'm about 90% to 95% back to being healthy. My mom checked in with a doctor today, and he basically told her to do what I'm doing for my cold – cough drops and/or NyQuil (and 2 oz. of dark chocolate – which contains about 1,000 mg of theobromine, found to be 33% more effective than codeine in combating coughs).

I haven't had cable TV for some time, so I watched FOX News for the first time in the doctor's office while waiting for my mom to finish her checkup, and what do I hear? Glenn Beck talking about this blog and Charles!

I even remembered the post to which he referred! It also let me know I wasn't missing much from FOX News since I had cable shut off (Well, that and the reports of the craziness that gets reported here).

166 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:37:19am

re: #135 Salamantis

He sucks so much that he has a second job orally de-chroming trailer hitches.

Trailer hitches aren't Chromed, the balls are.

167 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:37:45am

re: #149 redc1c4

it was a quick paraphrase... the poster doesn't see why it should be an issue that the GOP is pushing it as part of it's agenda. that attitude and the posting history seems iffy.

Belief in Creationism is not necessarily the equivalent of belief in Young Earth Creationism.

/there used to be a distinction

168 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:38:32am

re: #118 Karridine

Commune - ism, and the communal concept is VERY ATTRACTIVE as an ideal.

What outcomes and realities RESULT FROM Communism and Communist Socialism and Socialist states imposed on productive humans ...

is a record of horror, dehumanizing force and demeaning bureaucracy applied with soul-numbing regularity!

Communism sucks so bad that it swallows itself.

169 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:38:42am

re: #167 Killian Bundy

Belief in Creationism is not necessarily the equivalent of belief in Young Earth Creationism.

/there used to be a distinction

RTFP and get back to me...

170 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:38:43am

re: #147 Spare O'Lake

The last time I heard that one I fell off my dinosaur.

Ouch.

171 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:38:43am

re: #166 x-wing

Trailer hitches aren't Chromed, the balls are.

Pcky, picky. Of course that's what I meant. Even Glenn Beck couldn't stretch his mouth around an entire trailer hitch - only the ball.

172 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:39:15am

re: #155 redc1c4


Good thing the state of California has that assault-weapons ban, otherwise those guns could fall into the wrong hands!

Last time I caught a glance at what was in the gun rack of a CHP cruiser, it looked like a Benelli M1 Super 90 with a pistol-grip.

/This is also on my Christmas list.

173 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:39:53am

Glen Beck is so sleazy he'd sleep with Brittany and Lindsay at the same time.

174 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:40:04am

re: #161 Pvt Bin Jammin

I kinda forgot about that. Was that in the San Diego area?


S.F. Bay/Contra Costa area.

175 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:40:10am

re: #167 Killian Bundy

Belief in Creationism is not necessarily the equivalent of belief in Young Earth Creationism.

/there used to be a distinction

What about people who don't embrace YEC, but still believe that species were created independently and as is?

/they're wrong, too, according to genetics, paleontology, and embryology.

176 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:40:44am

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

S.F. Bay/Contra Costa area.

getting ready for the "revolution"...

177 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:41:15am

re: #173 redc1c4

Glen Beck is so sleazy he'd sleep with Brittany and Lindsay at the same time.

Umm, you meant Britney, but yeah.

And Paris.

178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:42:42am

re: #173 redc1c4

Glen Beck is so sleazy he'd sleep with Brittany and Lindsay at the same time.

Or Paris Hilton once.

179 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:43:05am

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Random question- think the police ever recovered those shotguns and AR15s that were stolen from parked California Highway Patrol cruisers earlier this year?

I think Stings' been over in England, and I have know idea where the other two guys have been ;>}

/I'm guessing no.

180 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:43:10am

re: #177 Salamantis

Umm, you meant Britney, but yeah.

And Paris.

not to scare anyone, but not only does the coonass cum dumpster patronize my neighbors nail salon, i actually know more or less exactly where she lives, courtesy of a few neighborhood watch meetings and google maps.

181 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:43:47am

re: #176 redc1c4

You mean revolucion, red. I'm in agreement with you on the Mexico theory.

182 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:44:25am

re: #177 Salamantis


GMTA

183 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:45:04am

re: #180 redc1c4

not to scare anyone, but not only does the coonass cum dumpster patronize my neighbors nail salon, i actually know more or less exactly where she lives, courtesy of a few neighborhood watch meetings and google maps.

coonass cum dumpster

A rotating title if I ever saw one - if this blog was x rated.

184 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:45:09am

re: #175 Salamantis

What about people who don't embrace YEC, but still believe that species were created independently and as is?

/they're wrong, too, according to genetics, paleontology, and embryology.

I and many others aren't there either.

/religion deals with original origin of life and a path to succeed

185 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:45:29am

re: #168 Spare O'Lake

Communism sucks so bad that it swallows itself.

Agreed, and I was in NO WAY advocating Communism.

Only sharing that the ideal of communal friendship, shared goals, shared duties and peer equality are attractive in themselves...

Trying to APPLY THEM, en masse, in a broad nation-wide effort, leads to injustice, abasement, dehumanization and fear... and eventually to the survivors making every effort to free themselves from the vicious, sucking soul-vampires entrenched in government, who resist of cour-

waitaminnit! is America Socialist?

186 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:45:41am

re: #181 Fenway_Nation

You mean revolucion, red. I'm in agreement with you on the Mexico theory.

actually, it's more likely they're in the hands of some small group of either far left or far right crazies. regular crooks don't need to go there and draw the heat, and most of the guns in Mexico come from other countries than here.

did you see the 1919A4 they seized the other day? what a shame it will likely end up in a smelter.

187 gmsc  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:46:00am

Good night, all!

188 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:46:41am

re: #187 gmsc

Good night, all!

hasta!

189 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:47:00am

re: #164 redc1c4

except they won't stop to help. 2H6 got deliberately rammed by a hit and run driver, and it took fucknut an hour to make his appearance. his first question wasn't "are you =ok" or "did you get a plate & description?"

shit head only wanted to know if she had been wearing her seatbelt, i guess so he could ticket her. he then told her to call AAA and drove the fuck off.

yeah, it still pisses me off. fuck the CHP.

They are pretty damn slow. Some yahoo driving a van filled with oxygen rear ended my car a about a year and a half ago & it was a total. Two hours later they finally showed up. A couple of years before that, our car was legally parked, out front, and some crackhead gal did a "head on" collision. Turned out she didn't even have a license, the address she said she lived at was an abandoned property, etc. My car was totaled and they tried to run. NO ONE WAS CITED. She had another girl in the car. They brought in another CHP officer. My theory? Two cops, two girls, two ***jobs,

190 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:47:16am

re: #157 redc1c4

well, last time i checked, all you had was BudLite, since i snagged the rum for the fruitcup last night when you passed out...

So that's what you did with the Rum?

/and I didn't pass out last night...I went sleepy-nighties ;>} Let's keep it straight.

191 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:47:46am

re: #180 redc1c4

"Coonass"? I'm not familiar with that one, but I don't think I like it.

192 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:49:06am

re: #191 haakondahl

"Coonass"? I'm not familiar with that one, but I don't think I like it.

It's a derogatory term for Louisiana cajuns.

193 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:50:35am
194 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:51:00am

re: #163 Salamantis

He wants creationism taught in public schools, so he obviously thinks that it is scientifically valid

Maybe he should go back to that CNN gig he had. He souded alot lot saner there.
I don't like that Obama is sitting at 1600 Penn. Ave. but I aint lost my mind yet.

195 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:51:25am

re: #186 redc1c4

You know the Mexican Army is getting a new service rifle?

This replaces the G3 as the service rifle of the Mexican military. My question is what happens to all those surplus G3 rifles? I mean, I'm sure most of them have a date with a smelter, but who exactly is overseeing the process?

196 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:53:12am

re: #192 Salamantis

It's a derogatory term for Louisiana cajuns.

Perhaps it shares etymology with a similar term. As long as it's not what I thought it was. Don't think I'll be using it, just the same.

197 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:53:29am

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

You know the Mexican Army is getting a new service rifle?

This replaces the G3 as the service rifle of the Mexican military. My question is what happens to all those surplus G3 rifles? I mean, I'm sure most of them have a date with a smelter, but who exactly is overseeing the process?

Bribeable bureaucrats. Thirty pieces of silver or one chunk of lead, take your pick.

198 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:54:36am

Good night, lizards. I'm about to nod off. Take care, all.

199 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:54:51am

re: #192 Salamantis

It's a derogatory term for Louisiana cajuns.

that some of them have adopted with pride...

200 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:56:38am

re: #185 Karridine

Agreed, and I was in NO WAY advocating Communism.

Only sharing that the ideal of communal friendship, shared goals, shared duties and peer equality are attractive in themselves...

Trying to APPLY THEM, en masse, in a broad nation-wide effort, leads to injustice, abasement, dehumanization and fear... and eventually to the survivors making every effort to free themselves from the vicious, sucking soul-vampires entrenched in government, who resist of cour-

waitaminnit! is America Socialist?

Many American icons seem to be jumping the shark lately.

Has the street calmed down in your neck of the woods? I saw earlier tonight on BBC that there has been another political assassination.

201 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:56:47am

re: #197 Salamantis

Thirty pieces of silver or one chunk of lead, take your pick.

Plata o plomo. Sounds like Colombia 20 years ago.

202 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:58:00am

re: #199 redc1c4

that some of them have adopted with pride...

I've had intimate relations with lady coonasses, during Naval Reserve duty in Plaquemine Parish, east of Nawlinz...they have much to be proud of...;~)

203 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:58:49am

re: #202 Salamantis

I've had intimate relations with lady coonasses, during Naval Reserve duty in Plaquemine Parish, east of Nawlinz...they have much to be proud of...;~)

Umm...WEST of Nawlinz.

204 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 12:59:55am

re: #203 Salamantis

Umm...WEST of Nawlinz.

you must have had a really good time... now that i have my retarded ID, i can get a room at the Nave Inn there in Nawlins, if i could ever afford to go anywhere. %-)

205 Spar Kling  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:00:05am

re: #68 teleskiguy

Not to legitimize Glenn "Punk" Beck, but Helen Keller was a radical socialist. She joined the socialist party in 1909 and eventually became a Wobbly. She supported many communist causes, wrote for The Crisis in the 1920s (which was a very socialist publication for the newly found NAACP) supported socialist candidate Eugene Debs in all his presidential campaigns. After the Russian Revolution, she wrote "In the East a new star is risen! With pain and anguish the old order has given birth to the new, and behold in the East a new man-child is born! Onward, comrades, all together! Onward to the campfires of Russia! Onward to the coming dawn!" She even kept a red flag over the desk in her study.

I hadn't heard the quote before--thanks for posting it. Apparently, radical socialism was the hip thing at the time. "In the East, a new star is risen," and "behold in the East a new man-child is born" sounds like a messianic view of Lenin!

I feel very sorry for Helen Keller's disabilities, but for her to have had so much faith in any human or human institution was just foolish.

-sk

206 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:00:30am

Back after a couple hours of cleanup around the house, I miss anything fun or we still around 21 meltdowns today?

207 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:01:16am

re: #206 rhino2

Back after a couple hours of cleanup around the house, I miss anything fun or we still around 21 meltdowns today?

why don't you say something off the wall and see what happens?

/white smoke

208 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:01:23am

I want one!
I want one!
I want one!

I've been a good boy- honest!

Actually, the last time I looked it up on Wikipedia, the Tavor had only one confirmed non-Israeli purchaser; India was buying a quantity for trials. Now it looks like 10 other countries are using the Tavor (or a locally liscenced version) to some extent.

209 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:01:58am

re: #205 Spar Kling

I hadn't heard the quote before--thanks for posting it. Apparently, radical socialism was the hip thing at the time. "In the East, a new star is risen," and "behold in the East a new man-child is born" sounds like a messianic view of Lenin!

I feel very sorry for Helen Keller's disabilities, but for her to have had so much faith in any human or human institution was just foolish.

-sk

Like science? Or maybe scripture?

210 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:02:42am

re: #207 redc1c4

Ware iz 0bama's nirth certifikate?

211 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:03:36am
212 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:04:27am

re: #210 rhino2

Ware iz 0bama's nirth certifikate?

Elviz haz it...hez hidin in Honolulu Hozpitle.

213 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:04:27am

re: #208 Fenway_Nation

I want one!
I want one!
I want one!

I've been a good boy- honest!

Actually, the last time I looked it up on Wikipedia, the Tavor had only one confirmed non-Israeli purchaser; India was buying a quantity for trials. Now it looks like 10 other countries are using the Tavor (or a locally liscenced version) to some extent.

i'd want to know what the operating system was first...

214 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:05:49am

re: #211 Iron Fist

Instead of a smelter, I suspect that you will see the G3s receiver cut per demil requirements, and the rest of the weapon imported into the US as "parts kits". It is truly offensive that gun control fanatics are destroying historical weapons in the name of their myopic faith in disarmament as a path to "crime reduction". It is really little different than when the Taliban destroyed the Binyamin Buddhas, especially when you look at all of the beautiful, historic WWII armament that has just been cut up for parts kits (or worse - outright scrapped).

you don't want to know how much money has been budgeted to destroy rifles uncle sam could be selling for revenue through the CMP.

215 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:05:52am

re: #208 Fenway_Nation

I saw the Futureweapons (I think it was futureweapons...) episode on the Military Channel that featured that rifle, it was love at first sight.

216 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:06:41am

i need to find a muzzle brake for my M1A... any suggestions?

217 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:10:53am

re: #200 Spare O'Lake

"ATTEMPTED" assassination, unless he died while I was out of the house...

It was the leader of the violent, vocal minuscule minority "Yellow Shirts", Spare O', and I would like to see him and his rabble-roused rabble OUT of the way, but NOT through M-16 takedown!

Yes, surface has settled, but with more than a milion middle-class Thais thrown out of work by the Yellow-Shirts' takeover of the Thai airports in December, the Thai economy is limping along, BADLY crippled and badly led...

We're watching to take care here, but that's about all we CAN do...

218 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:11:12am

re: #208 Fenway_Nation

I want one!
I want one!
I want one!

I've been a good boy- honest!

Not to brag (too much) but this is what is sitting in my gun safe.

[Link: www.gundealeronline.com...]

The "boing" factor is offthe scales everytime I shoot it.

219 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:12:35am

re: #218 x-wing

I'm just...green with jealous rage right now.

220 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:12:47am

re: #215 rhino2

I like the no-recoil machine-shotgun I saw the other day... Man! Fist full of destructive POWER there!

221 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:15:18am

Fenway's Allegedly Nightly Precious Metals Update:

Gold- $874.40 an ounce (up 0.01%)
Silver- $12.18 an ounce (down 0.3%)
Platinum- $1206 an ounce (up 0.4%)
Palladium- $232 an ounce (unchanged)

I thought I'd make it a nightly feature even tho' I'm not sure how well-recieved this might be by the lizards...but I've been derelict these past few nights because I couldn't bear to watch some of the metals climbing back up.

222 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:17:29am

re: #220 Karridine

I'm trying to remember the name of the shotgun I saw on there a little while ago - drum magazine, many different kinds of shells (one that was even a HE grenade), they even had it mounted to a humvee with a joystick+camera for using it while sitting inside the vehicle.

223 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:18:38am

re: #222 rhino2

I'm trying to remember the name of the shotgun I saw on there a little while ago - drum magazine, many different kinds of shells (one that was even a HE grenade), they even had it mounted to a humvee with a joystick+camera for using it while sitting inside the vehicle.

i'd settle for a Mk-19... i never got to fire one of those, more's the pity.

224 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:19:00am
225 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:19:26am

re: #217 Karridine

"ATTEMPTED" assassination, unless he died while I was out of the house...

It was the leader of the violent, vocal minuscule minority "Yellow Shirts", Spare O', and I would like to see him and his rabble-roused rabble OUT of the way, but NOT through M-16 takedown!

Yes, surface has settled, but with more than a milion middle-class Thais thrown out of work by the Yellow-Shirts' takeover of the Thai airports in December, the Thai economy is limping along, BADLY crippled and badly led...

We're watching to take care here, but that's about all we CAN do...

Yes, attempted. Sorry.

226 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:20:37am

re: #200 Spare O'Lake and others...

The Red-Shirts represent more than a majority of voters, they're Thailand's entrepreneurs and productive, responsible class... the parallels with T-Party attendees are many...

And they played by the law, by the rules, for 3 years after their legally-elected Prime Minister was overthrown by bloodless coup...

and in a kleptocracy, election 'winners' get the spoils, the cabinet officers, the levers of power... so the RedShirts obeyed the law and worked diligently and GOT THEIR PARTY elected last spring, in a solid majority...

which was never really allowed to assume leadership, because of the Yellow-Dogs yapping and occupying the main govt building... with YellShirt symps protecting them from inside the 'government'...

and then the YS/airport-debacle in December, the consequent tanking to the Thai economy, the personal loss and hardship to MILLIONS of MIDDLECLASS, and this week the ship hit the fan!

Clear it up?

227 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:21:52am

re: #226 Karridine

except for the part with why they tolerated it for all those years... where is the King in all this?

228 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:21:54am

re: #222 rhino2

THAT's the one! So little kick that almost any adult can carry one and fire full auto, shotgun! Wicked, Rhino!

229 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:22:46am
230 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:22:46am

re: #215 rhino2

I saw the Futureweapons (I think it was futureweapons...) episode on the Military Channel that featured that rifle, it was love at first sight.

I like the corner shot myself.

Of course, the MSM displayed their ignorance about anything firearms related by referring to it as a 'gun that can shoot around corners'.

231 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:23:54am

re: #227 redc1c4

except for the part with why they tolerated it for all those years... where is the King in all this?

An honest, intelligent caring man, the king is strictly limited by the Constitution... even though it has been fiddled with for years... and he's getting old, he can do what he CAN, but it isn't much surrounded by the snakes and dogs of money politics...

232 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:25:16am

re: #219 rhino2

I'm just...green with jealous rage right now.

Truth be told. I saw this type of gun (might have been the TAVOR) on the military channel. Close quarters combat in Israel. It just blew me away. So I went to my local gun dealer and found the STG-556. It does look very similar. Mine cost just shy of 2 grand.

/so how good of a boy have you been? ;>}

233 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:27:01am

What is the best legally available weapon that will stop a black bear?
I have an increasing bear problem at the lake and my .22 just doesn't give me much comfort.
I have been told to get a plug-firing shotgun or a large bore hunting rifle.
Suggestions?

234 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:27:26am

re: #229 Iron Fist

We called that the "Motherfucker" when I was a kid. I've never even heard a rumor of one of those being available to civilians either legally or black market. Even if all you could fire were inert training rounds, it'd be a trip just having the thing sittine in the corner of the living room. Modern sculpture! (Maybe I can get a NEA grant to purchase one with...)

if we ever leave the PRC and move someplace sensible, i'd love to have an M-2... just that the ammo bill would be ridiculous.

235 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:27:54am

re: #220 Karridine

I like the no-recoil machine-shotgun I saw the other day... Man! Fist full of destructive POWER there!

Dude. Got a link? I saw the AA-12 (I think),that the military is trying out.

236 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:28:13am

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

What is the best legally available weapon that will stop a black bear?
I have an increasing bear problem at the lake and my .22 just doesn't give me much comfort.
I have been told to get a plug-firing shotgun or a large bore hunting rifle.
Suggestions?

house gun or hiking?

12 gauge slug with lots of rounds should w*rk, but i'd want a 44 mag or similar for a back up.

237 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:28:14am
238 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:29:42am

Found it! The AA-12, beast of a shotgun.

239 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:32:05am

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

What is the best legally available weapon that will stop a black bear?
I have an increasing bear problem at the lake and my .22 just doesn't give me much comfort.
I have been told to get a plug-firing shotgun or a large bore hunting rifle.
Suggestions?

with the rifle you get stand off capeability, but you'll also be second guessed as to "did you need to shoot them", whereas with the shot gun, if they're in range, you're in danger. a reliable large bore pistol is just good insurance.

personally, i'd get all 3. %-)

come to think of it, an M1 Garand would be a great choice, 8 rounds of 30.06 with hunting bullets should do it.

240 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:32:14am

re: #223 redc1c4

That the GMG?

241 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:32:56am

re: #240 rhino2

That the GMG?

40mm belt fed grenade launcher.

242 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:33:02am

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

What is the best legally available weapon that will stop a black bear?
I have an increasing bear problem at the lake and my .22 just doesn't give me much comfort.
I have been told to get a plug-firing shotgun or a large bore hunting rifle.
Suggestions?

Smith and Wesson 500?

243 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:33:30am
244 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:34:22am

re: #243 Iron Fist

Full autm M-2s (if you can find them) are insanely expensive. I mean, in the $40,000 range, maybe more than that now. But you can get a semi-auto M2 for less than $10,000. We had one sell on the market here last summer. The gun, tripod, a whole lot of other shit, including a couple of thousand rounds of ammo for a cool $24,000. Surprisingly, it didn't stay on the market long at all. That was a surprise. I mean, that's a really good price, but it is still twenty-four thousand dollars.

It's getting my class-envy all stoked up :-)

guess i'll have to settle for a Barrett then... or something like one.

245 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:34:30am

re: #243 Iron Fist

I clearly need to be logging in some extra work hours...

246 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:35:28am
247 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:35:38am

re: #245 rhino2

I clearly need to be logging in some extra work hours...

i think i'll trade my unicorn for one... if i ever get it.

why isn't the MSM covering the great American unicorn shortage?

248 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:35:51am

re: #241 redc1c4

40mm belt fed grenade launcher.

I think I may have just...

/Sorry, I had to

249 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:36:16am

Have we tired of discussing the "tea party" wackiness?

250 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:37:11am

Gun music.

/if you can't join 'em...SING! ;-)

251 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:37:31am

re: #249 freetoken

I'm enjoying a good break of it and discussing firearms with people who know much more about them than I.

252 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:38:15am
253 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:41:06am

Fenway's Nightly Overseas Market Update:

Australia's All Odrinaries- up 0.07%

Shanghai Composite- down 1.19%

Nikkei- up 1.74%

Mumbai's SENSEX- up 2.47%

Taiwan Wighted- down 4.03%

Johannesburg JSE Limited- down 0.19%

Singapore's Straits Times- up 0.51%

Hang Seng- up 0.12%

New Zealand's NZSE50- up 1.81%

KOSPI Seoul Composite- down 0.58%

254 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:41:10am

re: #251 rhino2

Just wondering... I for one am rather tired of the topic but there exists now quite a few videos online and some are worth a closer look.

255 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:41:35am

re: #249 freetoken

Have we tired of discussing the "tea party" wackiness?

i had a nice time at the one i attended, and the only "wackiness" was the Laup Nor contingent and a few strays... my 6 wants to know when the next one is.

256 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:41:51am

re: #237 Iron Fist

Did you get one of the little Microtecs? Those are interesting. I think they make a version in 6.8. That would be too cool. I've never much liked the AUG platform, more from an asthetics point than anything functional about the weapon. If I had the money...

Yeah, I got the little one. I can convert it to 6.8 if I want to. It's a blast to shoot out on the range. I'm dialing it in at 35 yards, I have a bushnell halo scope on it. I got it for self defense, I really like the quick aquisition the scope gives me.

257 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:42:17am

re: #246 Iron Fist

Check this shit out: .458 Garand. Pricey, but how cool is that?

2500 plus a perfectly good rifle... i wonder if CMP has any left?

258 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:44:26am

speaking of guns, the rats were out there a few minutes ago, but i forgot to rezero today, so the little shit escaped... i'm going to bed early tomorrow, since we're helping Slokat sail his yacht uyp the coast again, so amybe i'll try setting a trap or two tomorrow at twilight.

259 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:45:28am

re: #236 redc1c4

house gun or hiking?

12 gauge slug with lots of rounds should w*rk, but i'd want a 44 mag or similar for a back up.

House. These bears have been getting aggressive at night, sometimes coming right up to the cottage and even onto the porch.

260 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:45:31am

re: #252 Iron Fist

If I had the money, they have a bolt-action, single shot .50 for sale right now with scope and a hundred rounds of ammo for $2400. It is a beautiful weapon, and a real bargin at that price. Hell, the scope on the thing has got to be worth a grand all by itself.

[drool]

they who?

not that i can have one inCA, because they are used in so many crimes...

/

261 rhino2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:45:50am

Well, I gotta head to bed, enjoyed the chatter tonight though gents! I've only been to the range a handful of times myself and only shot maybe 15-20 different firearms, but I am very fascinated by them. Only reason I don't own any yet is monetary limitations, but hopefully that'll end soon.

G'night all!

262 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:46:50am

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

House. These bears have been getting aggressive at night, sometimes coming right up to the cottage and even onto the porch.

at that range, go for the slug gun, preferably one where you can buy other barrels to use it for other things. the pistol for back up is still a good idea.

263 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:47:17am
264 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:48:57am

re: #259 Spare O'Lake

House. These bears have been getting aggressive at night, sometimes coming right up to the cottage and even onto the porch.

i wonder if electrical fencing would deter them or just piss them off?

/i'm guessing "b" %-)

265 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:50:22am
266 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:51:25am
267 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:53:41am

re: #265 Iron Fist

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Coal Creek Armory, one of our local gun shops. They focus a lot on military arms. They also have a nice indoor range, and you can rent their guns at reasonable rates. They've got a little MP5 that you con rent when you happen to have a lot of 9mm you want to convert into spent brass :-)

that's okay... between taxes and a few other recent events, we won't be buying guns for awhile.

/damn shame

268 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:07am

In all honesty, I'd be satisfied with a Ruger Ranch Rifle.

269 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:13am

re: #250 littleoldlady

Gun music.

/if you can't join 'em...SING! ;-)

{LoL} Can I get some lead in my fruitcup tonight? Since we have drifted of to guns again. ;>}

270 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:16am

re: #266 Iron Fist

Good night, man. I'm going to try getting back to sleep myself.

have some fruitcup... it'll help.

271 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:52am

re: #268 Fenway_Nation

In all honesty, I'd be satisfied with a Ruger Ranch Rifle.

with full dressing or the striped down model?

272 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:56:02am
273 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:56:38am

x-wing! :-)

I try not to poison people with fruitcup.

/for a good time, dial redc1c4 ;-)

274 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:57:28am

Sharmuta! :-)

I can't watch that enough! :-)

275 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:57:46am

re: #273 littleoldlady

x-wing! :-)

I try not to poison people with fruitcup.

/for a good time, dial redc1c4 ;-)

as long as you keep below LD/50, you should be fine...

276 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:50am

re: #262 redc1c4

at that range, go for the slug gun, preferably one where you can buy other barrels to use it for other things. the pistol for back up is still a good idea.

Slug shotgun sounds good, and I think I can buy it without a restricted firearms permit.
Should I get a pump action?

277 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:59:04am

and here i was going to not stay up late tonight...

/who was i fooling?

278 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:59:36am

re: #254 freetoken

Just wondering... I for one am rather tired of the topic but there exists now quite a few videos online and some are worth a closer look.

Throw up some links,what the hell. If they look better than this, I'd be more than willing to discuss.

[Link: www.budsgunshop.com...]

279 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:59:52am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Sharmuta! :-)

I can't watch that enough! :-)

Ditto.

280 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:20am

re: #276 Spare O'Lake

Slug shotgun sounds good, and I think I can buy it without a restricted firearms permit.
Should I get a pump action?

yes: cheaper and more reliable. Remmington 870 or Mossberg 500(?) both are dual rail, so less likely to bind up on you. get a tactical light for it, so you can see what you're doing.

281 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:23am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

282 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:32am

fruitcup!

283 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:01:51am

Your choice of Fruitcup Classic or Fruitcup Enhanced today.

red! :-)

284 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:18am

re: #271 redc1c4

Basic bare-bones version would suffice.

Back on a road trip in the 90's, we passed through an Indian reservation. The tribal police had the Mini-14 or Mini-30 as their standard long gun. I didn't give it much thought until the infamous North Hollywood shootout when it dawned on me that three or four Apache Tribal police could've done a better job slowing down the two gunmen than most of what the LAPD was throwing at them.

285 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:43am

re: #278 x-wing

Throw up some links,what the hell. If they look better than this, I'd be more than willing to discuss.

[Link: www.budsgunshop.com...]

i like my Dan Wesson .445 Super Mag... suitable for antiarmor use, but will digest 44 Special and Mag rounds for plinking.

286 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:02am

re: #284 Fenway_Nation

Basic bare-bones version would suffice.

Back on a road trip in the 90's, we passed through an Indian reservation. The tribal police had the Mini-14 or Mini-30 as their standard long gun. I didn't give it much thought until the infamous North Hollywood shootout when it dawned on me that three or four Apache Tribal police could've done a better job slowing down the two gunmen than most of what the LAPD was throwing at them.

an M-1 Garand, or any good old boy with a hunting rifle would have stopped that foolishness right out of the gate. kevlar won't stop pointy bullets.

287 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:21am

re: #261 rhino2

Later rhino. sign that overtime list. It sucks while you're there,but the paycheck more than makes up for it. Trust me...I know.

288 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:21am

re: #286 redc1c4

One of them had the foresight to out a trauma plate under the Kevlar.

289 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:07am

**sigh**

So much for sleeping early today.

290 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:14am

re: #288 Fenway_Nation

One of them had the foresight to out a trauma plate under the Kevlar.

30.06 black tip... %-)

291 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:56am

re: #289 TheMatrix31

**sigh**

So much for sleeping early today.

dude! it occured to me later: are you taking your Certazine on a regular basis, or just when you need it?

292 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:04am

re: #273 littleoldlady

x-wing! :-)

I try not to poison people with fruitcup.

/for a good time, dial redc1c4 ;-)

He better have something good tonight. Little bugger wiped me out last night ;>}

/red...whatda we got man?

293 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:45am

re: #292 x-wing

He better have something good tonight. Little bugger wiped me out last night ;>}

/red...whatda we got man?

BudLite... but a few less than the last time you looked.

why?

294 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:59am

re: #281 littleoldlady

Thanks!

re: #282 redc1c4

Thanks! *hic*

295 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:44am

re: #294 Sharmuta

Thanks!

re: #282 redc1c4

Thanks! *hic*

skoal!

296 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:18am

I wish there was something else I could link for you, lol- but I think I can't top the inspiring, moving link I already gave you.

297 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:50am

re: #280 redc1c4

yes: cheaper and more reliable. Remmington 870 or Mossberg 500(?) both are dual rail, so less likely to bind up on you. get a tactical light for it, so you can see what you're doing.

Thanks so much for the advice!

298 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:16am

re: #282 redc1c4

fruitcup!

You talkin' to me? ;>}

299 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:20am

re: #296 Sharmuta

S'okay. I'm playing it again!

;-)

THANKS!

300 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:56am

re: #297 Spare O'Lake

Thanks so much for the advice!

it's free, so it's worth what you're paying for it. i'd check with the local game wardens/what have you, and maybe the local gun store for other opinions.

i'm not BSing, but there may be local considerations i know nothing about.

301 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:12:42am

re: #298 x-wing

You talkin' to me? ;>}

cup, not cake.

/although cupcake does kinda fit...

/white smoke

302 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:39am

re: #285 redc1c4

i like my Dan Wesson .445 Super Mag... suitable for antiarmor use, but will digest 44 Special and Mag rounds for plinking.


OOOH. I'm intriquied, and jealous. My Dan Wesson is only a 357 mag. But it does shoot very nice.

/I guess yours' used correctly can erase finger prints ;>}

303 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:47am

hey! isn't this "Earth Day" weekend?

304 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:32am

re: #302 x-wing

OOOH. I'm intriquied, and jealous. My Dan Wesson is only a 357 mag. But it does shoot very nice.

/I guess yours' used correctly can erase finger prints ;>}

the 445 scrambles DNA when used properly. %-)

i have a Dan in .357 also... they are a very sweet gun.

/now you can be jealous.

305 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:43am

re: #303 redc1c4


Yes...we should stop and give thanks to mother earth for the bounty of lead, brass, copper and cordite that she's provided us with ver the years.

306 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:32am

best ad i never followed up on in Shotgun News:

NIB Chinese flame throwers... i'm still wondering how they got in the country. IIRC, they were maybe a 1000/each.

307 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:18:31am

So what happened with Susan Boyle? She goes home with three "yeses" (ladeedah). Did she get a career out of it? A recording deal?

308 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:04am

re: #307 littleoldlady

So what happened with Susan Boyle? She goes home with three "yeses" (ladeedah). Did she get a career out of it? A recording deal?

is she the CNN reporter?

309 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:23am

re: #306 redc1c4


How long ago was this?

310 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:48am

re: #309 Fenway_Nation

How long ago was this?

early 90's...

311 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:57am

re: #304 redc1c4

the 445 scrambles DNA when used properly. %-)

i have a Dan in .357 also... they are a very sweet gun.

/now you can be jealous.


/sassafrassencassafracken

312 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:19am

re: #308 redc1c4

Veh iz mir! ROTFL!

/stay focused, red, will ya?

313 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:58am

re: #310 redc1c4

early 90's...


Heh...back when 10MM and .41AE were the wave of the future.

314 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:31am

re: #312 littleoldlady

Veh iz mir! ROTFL!

/stay focused, red, will ya?

at ths hour i'm lucky they're open... the good news is i get two drinks for the price of one...

/just gotta figger out which is which.

315 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:52am

re: #307 littleoldlady

So what happened with Susan Boyle? She goes home with three "yeses" (ladeedah). Did she get a career out of it? A recording deal?

I think it's like American Idol- she gets to move on to the next round? I think she'll definitely be filling a few concert halls.

316 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:02am

re: #306 redc1c4

best ad i never followed up on in Shotgun News:

NIB Chinese flame throwers... i'm still wondering how they got in the country. IIRC, they were maybe a 1000/each.

I want one...make that two.

/flame throwers...cool

317 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:41am

re: #313 Fenway_Nation

Heh...back when 10MM and .41AE were the wave of the future.

yeah, well, i figured a half second squirt of jellied gasoline would stop just about any one with the first shot, even if they were on dust or crack.

318 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:38am

re: #315 Sharmuta

That's what I get for never watching American Idol. Not even once!

319 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:50am

re: #316 x-wing

I want one...make that two.

/flame throwers...cool

they were selling two different models... you could get one of each and compare.

320 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:06am

that reminds me: i need to get a subscription to them again, just for drooling purposes.

321 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:08am

now i'm rambling AND talking to myself: i can take a hint.

hasta, y'all...

l8r!

322 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:10am

re: #319 redc1c4

they were selling two different models... you could get one of each and compare.

Hey buddy, if you see them again let me know. We can work out a deal..if you know what I mean ;>}

323 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:33am

re: #317 redc1c4


Less than ideal for home-defense.

Unless the whole place is fireproofed.

324 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:48am

'Night, red! :-)

325 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:48am

re: #323 Fenway_Nation

Less than ideal for home-defense.

Unless the whole place is fireproofed.

Home defense is more than taking care of what is already in your house.

326 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:22am

BTW, littleoldlady...my birthday just happens to be coming up (this fall). Besides the Israeli rifle and Italian shotgun, if you and the other lizards want to chip in, I think these would make a spiffy birthday present

327 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:22am

re: #321 redc1c4

now i'm rambling AND talking to myself: i can take a hint.

hasta, y'all...

l8r!

l8r, take care buddy.

328 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:42am

re: #318 littleoldlady

I used to watch it, so part of my enjoyment comes from watching Simon's reaction to her. I've never seen Simon so amazed and thrilled with a singer auditioning in front of him for the first time. It was like he fell mussically in love with her.

329 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:55am

re: #326 Fenway_Nation

BTW, littleoldlady...my birthday just happens to be coming up (this fall).

Hey! My birthday is sometime in the next year too. What a coincidence! ;)

330 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:48am

re: #326 Fenway_Nation

You want a choo-choo train?

/do I look like Santa Claus?!

;-)

331 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:35am

re: #328 Sharmuta

I do know that Simon is "the character" on that show, and THE one to impress.

332 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:56am

re: #291 redc1c4

dude! it occured to me later: are you taking your Certazine on a regular basis, or just when you need it?

Assuming you mean my Zyrtec...I take it on a daily basis!

...until I run out, because this shit sucks.

333 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:06am

re: #330 littleoldlady

You want a choo-choo train?

/do I look like Santa Claus?!

;-)


Well...twenty one functioning SD40-2 diesel locomotives, to be specific. One could pretty much start their own railway with that quantity of horsepower.

/track not included

334 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:07am

re: #281 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Aaaahhh! Fruitcup.
What a delightful treat
and good to eat

335 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:17am

re: #331 littleoldlady

Well- everyone's reaction is amazing. I agreed with the lady judge that it was a lesson in cynical assumptions.

336 x-wing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:15am

re: #324 littleoldlady

Nite {LoL}, the birds outside are chirping, so it's time to Outen the Lights. Thanks for the fruitcup.

Later Lizards.

337 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:39am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Exactly! Actually, I figured she'd be pretty good when I first saw the tape.

/I don't know if that's because I'm old myself or because I never saw the show... ;-)

338 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:58am

UncleRancher! :-)

Matrix! :-)

339 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:40:19am

'Night, x-wing! :-)

340 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:31am

re: #337 littleoldlady

I think it's really special when a singer can make such an amazing performance as to move their audience with nothing but the majesty of their voice. This was such a performance, and it's now a global phenomenon. If for nothing else, Susan gave me (and millions of others) 4 beautiful minutes that I was happy to spend.

341 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:02am

This came in by email yesterday:

To: Maersk Arkansas - 1st Engineer

Subject: from ---
Hey ---,
Everyone on here is okay. We're on our way to Mombasa with Navy protection on board. Captain Phillips is still hostage in the lifeboat with the 4 pirates. I hear they're flying out reliefs for everyone,but I'm not sure what all's going to happen once we get to Mombasa .

Supposedly the FBI is coming out to investigate the crime. Maybe we'll be on the next CSI Somalia.

I wanted to let you know some of the lessons we learned so you guys can better prepare yourselves for something similar. The only guys actually captured by the pirates were on the bridge: Capt, 3/M, and 2 AB's. I don't really know why they
stayed on the bridge until the pirates got up there. Then they had keys to everything and were able to unlock everyone's rooms.

The pirates got up to the bridge very quickly once they were onboard. We had a locked cage door over the ladder well from
main deck, but it only took a second for them to shoot it off. They then got to the bridge up the outside ladders. By that time we had taken control of the engine and steering down below.

Mike stayed in the ECR and the C/M was out on deck tracking the pirates' movement. We kept swinging the rudder side to side. The pirates' boat capsized, though I'm not sure exactly when or what caused it. After about 20 minutes the engine was killed, I don't know by whom. At that point I shut off the air bottles and Mike killed power. He was also able to get outside and trip the fuel shutoff for the EDG. I think this was critical. The pirates were very reluctant to go into the dark.

We will be looking at a way to shut off the EDG from the ECR in the future. All the crew had been mustered and secured in the steering gear. Our pirates didn't have any grenades, so they would have never been able to break in there. The previous day we had welded a padeye on the inside of the hatch to the fantail so it was secured from the inside. The only problem with the steering gear was the heat and the shortage of water. In the future we will store food and water in various spots for emergency usage. I think we will also run a fresh water line into the steering gear.

We were able to make a run from the steering gear to the E/R water fountain and fill up some empty oil sample bottles we had back there. The C/M was also able to get some fruit and sodas from the galley and drop them down the line standpipe.

The pirates sent the 3/M unescorted to go look for crewmembers, so he was able to get away. One of the pirates then went with an AB down to the E/R to look for people. Mike was able to jump him in the dark and we took him prisoner in the steering gear. No one else came down into the
E/R.

As the day went on the pirates became desperate to get out of there. There boat was sunk, and they couldn't get our ship moving. The Captain talked them into taking the MOB boat. The three remaining pirates went down in the MOB boat with Phillips. We were then able to negotiate with them over the radio. We dropped some food, water and diesel to them. We
started getting the plant back on line. Unfortunately, the MOB boat wouldn't start. A couple of guys got in the lifeboat and dropped it. They motored over and traded the lifeboat for the MOB boat. We were supposed to exchange their guy for the Captain, but they ended up keeping him. They motored off in the lifeboat. They had no way of getting back aboard, so we
followed them. The Navy showed up a few hours later. We stayed close by for some time, but then the Navy asked us to head out. I heard that several other pirate vessels were heading our way and the Navy wanted us out of the way. That's about it. I'll give you all the details some other time.

...

342 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:44am

(continued)

Just to reiterate the most important points:

Have a well fortified location with food and water supply. Kill all the lights.

Leave the alarms going, the noise helped cover our movements through the house.

Flashlights and radios are very handy, as well as the sound-powered phone.

Anyway, it was a pretty stressful situation. I have to say I am
impressed with how the entire crew responded. We didn't have anybody who wanted to give up. I'm pretty confident that Phillips will end up ok.

They have to know that if they kill him they'll be done. I assume the company will be forced into taking some kind of action to assure our security from now on. Hope everything is going well there. I'll talk to you later.

(name redacted)

343 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:25am

Sharmuta,

As another singer-wannabe, that COULD have been me. Unfortunately, now that Susan ruined the surprise I'm going to have to wait until I'm even older and they can wheel me out on stage with my grey hair and choppers.

/and HOPE I can still belt it out!

;-)

344 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:52am

And now that I killed the thread...

/See? Told you I've got TALENT! ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

345 Pass The Moonbaticide  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:13am

Good Morning , Lizards.

Er ... I know I'm late , but is there any Fruitcup left ?

346 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:14am

Just 49 here!

347 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:21am

re: #344 littleoldlady

{lol}.

348 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:48am

re: #345 Pass The Moonbaticide

Good Morning , Lizards.

Er ... I know I'm late , but is there any Fruitcup left ?

You want with or without mind-altering substances?

349 jim in virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:29am

Morning all, please pass the fruitcup, with EXTRA mind altering substances.
Sharmuta, darlin, don't you ever sleep? Or work?

350 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:54am

Question as I turned on the TV in the lobby to CNN a few minutes ago the ticker said the Gov. of Texas is saying Seccession may be possible any truth to that or is it just left wing BS?

351 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:26:10am

re: #350 Rustler

Question as I turned on the TV in the lobby to CNN a few minutes ago the ticker said the Gov. of Texas is saying Seccession may be possible any truth to that or is it just left wing BS?

Left-wing bullshit.

352 jim in virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:27:28am

Uncle Rancher, excellent. Thanks for sharing.

353 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:28:17am

Good morning, Lizards!

354 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:08am

Mornin goc!

355 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:36am

re: #351 MandyManners
Good much as I dislike his Creationist Allies I'd hate to see a State Governor fomenting rebellion. Just scared the Hell outta me when I saw it lol I live an hour from Texas.

356 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:48am

Uncle Rancher, excellent. Thanks for sharing.

My sediments precisely, Rancher! I've thought a LOT about anti-pirate technologies...

357 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:30:15am

re: #349 jim in virginia

If I slept, I'd miss out on saying good morning to lol, you, Mandy and Our Goddess of Seven Million Comments.

358 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:30:36am

EU positive on U.S.-N. Korea talks for resolving nuke, missile issues

Yeah...well...most are pretty positive the talks are back to where they started with the 1994 Agreed Framework. Now that's progress.

Mornin folks...we havin fun yet?

359 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:27am

re: #355 Rustler

Good much as I dislike his Creationist Allies I'd hate to see a State Governor fomenting rebellion. Just scared the Hell outta me when I saw it lol I live an hour from Texas.

I'd need to read up on it but am I mistaken in thinking that Texas as a state has special privileges since it joined the United States technically as its own independent nation?

360 jim in virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:34am

re: #351 MandyManners
The quote from Perry:

Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that,” Perry said. “My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that

Source.

Pretty clear what he is saying.

361 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:32:39am

{Hengineer}
{Sharmuta}
{MandyManners}
{aboo-Hoo-Hoo}
{Karradine}
{Rustler}
{Jim in Virginia}

362 jim in virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:34:17am

re: #355 Rustler

I live an hour from Texas.

Which direction?

You know why the wind always blows in Oklahoma ( or Texas)?
Because Texas (or Oklahoma) sucks.

363 jim in virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:35:25am

Goddess!
I imagine you as a much more attractive Susan Boyle. Can we get a song?

364 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:18am

re: #360 jim in virginia

We already fought a war over this- the answer is no.

365 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:48am

re: #363 jim in virginia

I think Susan Boyle is beautiful.

366 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:09am
367 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:05am

re: #362 jim in virginia
An hour west of the pan handle. Pretty sure Texas' window to leave the union voluntarily has long since expired.

368 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:49am

re: #363 jim in virginia

Goddess!
I imagine you as a much more attractive Susan Boyle. Can we get a song?

Probably not what you were expecting, but far more beautifully than anything I can really sing...

(this is a link from "The Rule of Law" at Villainous Company)

369 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:10am

{goddess} Morning.

370 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:21am

re: #364 Sharmuta

We already fought a war over this- the answer is no.

But Sharm, you realize that Obama is NOT Lincoln. I truly don't think the United States can stand another Civil War like that, so if a state secedes, you will see protests across the nation about "don't kill other Americans", irregardless of the fact that if they secede they are no longer Americans.

Lincoln was a badass, he more than anyone stretched the power of the Federal Government in prosecuting the war against the Southern Secessionists, and he had the balls to even prosecute the war in the first place.

371 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:53am

Yes, Susan Boyle is beautiful but- oh, heck, I am not going to get out of this one. I'll stop digging.

372 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:41:27am

re: #352 jim in virginia

re: #356 Karridine

That story came in with a ton of message headers indicating it was passed around the maritime community a while before it got to me. I have an idea it will show up in a LOT of in-boxes before it dies out. I sent it along to a couple dozen friends before I put it up here.

I see the Susan Boyle clip had more than 12 million hits and that was just on one version. Even Fox News had a mention of her last night.

373 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:38am

re: #371 Jim in Virginia

You're a smart guy.

374 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:01am

re: #362 jim in virginia
It's called a high pressure ridge and has been creating the worst drought in 100 years here in Texas. La Nina just does not want to give it up yet but hoping for at least some rainfall this weekend.

375 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:08am

Some helpful hints

ECR = Engine Control Room

C/M = Chief Mate

E/R = Engine Room

Mike must be the Chief Engineer

3/M = 3rd Mate

AB = Able Bodied Seaman, probably unlicensed watchstanders one guy on the helm maybe, and one lookout.

EDG = Emergency Diesel Generator

376 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:36am

Goddess! :-)

377 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:40am

re: #375 Hengineer

Some helpful hints

ECR = Engine Control Room

C/M = Chief Mate

E/R = Engine Room

Mike must be the Chief Engineer

3/M = 3rd Mate

AB = Able Bodied Seaman, probably unlicensed watchstanders one guy on the helm maybe, and one lookout.

EDG = Emergency Diesel Generator

about the thing Uncle Rancher posted, I have no idea what MOB boat is, might've been their pirate boat, or their version of a rescue boat.

378 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:46:21am

re: #360 jim in virginia

The quote from Perry:


Source.

Pretty clear what he is saying.

Slightly bmbastic speculation.

379 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:04am

re: #375 Hengineer

And after all that, the pirates got themselves deadified... dang dilettantes!armatures!

380 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:27am

Pirate ship capsized and sank it's why the last 4 pirates used a lifeboat.
re: #377 Hengineer MOB stands for Man Over Board its a small rescue boat unless I'm forgetting some other MOB terminology.

381 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:31am

re: #375 Hengineer

Some helpful hints

ECR = Engine Control Room

C/M = Chief Mate

E/R = Engine Room

Mike must be the Chief Engineer

3/M = 3rd Mate

AB = Able Bodied Seaman, probably unlicensed watchstanders one guy on the helm maybe, and one lookout.

EDG = Emergency Diesel Generator

Thanks... I read right through those thinking everyone understood the abrev's.

382 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:51am

re: #376 UncleRancher

Goddess! :-)

{Uncle Rancher}

383 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:36am

re: #375 Hengineer

Some helpful hints

ECR = Engine Control Room

C/M = Chief Mate

E/R = Engine Room

Mike must be the Chief Engineer

3/M = 3rd Mate

AB = Able Bodied Seaman, probably unlicensed watchstanders one guy on the helm maybe, and one lookout.

EDG = Emergency Diesel Generator

MOB boat is NOT the pirate boat, probably their rescue boat.

"Shutting off the Air Bottles" means closing the Compressed Air Receivers used to store air for starting the main engines. Meaning the pirates couldn't start the Generators or main engines, at least easily.

Ah, true stories of Engineers foiling plots.

Movies like Speed 2 piss me off because I know how easily it is to stop a ship in its path (I'm a ship's engineer btw)

384 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:38am

re: #372 UncleRancher

re: #356 Karridine

That story came in with a ton of message headers indicating it was passed around the maritime community a while before it got to me. I have an idea it will show up in a LOT of in-boxes before it dies out. I sent it along to a couple dozen friends before I put it up here.

I see the Susan Boyle clip had more than 12 million hits and that was just on one version. Even Fox News had a mention of her last night.

The version someone posted last night had more than 16,500,000. CNN has something about her this morning--Anderson Cooper said it's on his AW360 site.

385 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:56am

re: #380 Rustler

Pirate ship capsized and sank it's why the last 4 pirates used a lifeboat.
MOB stands for Man Over Board its a small rescue boat unless I'm forgetting some other MOB terminology.

Thanks, I figured it was some kind of Rescue Boat

386 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:02am

Here's the wiki for MOB's.

387 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:55am

I FINALLY have figured out the secret to good coffee: unlike garlic, doubling up the recipe is not a good thing unless you want your hands to sweat and your heart to have palpitations.

388 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:50:06am

re: #386 Rustler

Here's the wiki for MOB's.

lol, ours is called a RHIB boat, "Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat", its one of those bright international orange boats used for rescuing or transporting people.

389 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:16am

re: #381 UncleRancher

Thanks... I read right through those thinking everyone understood the abrev's.

Meh, even those in the Navy sometimes don't know Civilian Merchant Mariner designations.

390 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:52:20am

re: #380 Rustler

Pirate ship capsized and sank it's why the last 4 pirates used a lifeboat.
MOB stands for Man Over Board its a small rescue boat unless I'm forgetting some other MOB terminology.

I missed that their ship was capsized, that's the reason for my speculation ;)

391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:09am

Mornin GOTC. ;)

Obama unveils high-speed passenger rail plan

Fastest, most complete job of railroading of the entire US in our history - Cnn bragging.

MOB: Man overboard.

392 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:50am

re: #391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Mornin GOTC. ;)

Obama unveils high-speed passenger rail plan

Fastest, most complete job of railroading of the entire US in our history - Cnn bragging.

MOB: Man overboard.

Good to know that Obama also has an Engineering Degree...


wait what?

///

393 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:52am

re: #391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Mornin GOTC. ;)

Obama unveils high-speed passenger rail plan

Fastest, most complete job of railroading of the entire US in our history - Cnn bragging.

MOB: Man overboard.

Each of the corridors identified by the president's report are between 100 and 600 miles long.
***

AAARRRGGGHHH.

394 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:55am

Morning Lizards.

395 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:12am

re: #392 Hengineer

I guess it's no surprise to see that Chicago is one of the hubs for his choo-choo project.

396 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:15am

mornin' rightside

397 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:40am

re: #395 elevenbravo1969

I guess it's no surprise to see that Chicago is one of the hubs for his choo-choo project.

That's what I was thinking.

398 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:54am

re: #395 elevenbravo1969

I guess it's no surprise to see that Chicago is one of the hubs for his choo-choo project.

Didn't know that as President he actually has constituents in a district.

399 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:57:29am

Lotsa grease money gonna get made there...

400 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:03am

re: #391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

It's too bad we quit subsidizing the rail industry back in the 70's. We could of shipped so much more for much less compared to the millions of trucks we are currently using. Lot less dollars spent on maintaining our highway system also.

401 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:16am

re: #397 UncleRancher

Hey Hengineer, good to see you!

402 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:35am

re: #391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Mornin GOTC. ;)

Obama unveils high-speed passenger rail plan

Fastest, most complete job of railroading of the entire US in our history - Cnn bragging.

MOB: Man overboard.

It's a new New Deal. Feels like a raw deal.

403 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:59:08am

Actually looking back looks like the media was calling the MOB a lifeboat which it isn't. It's a rescue craft to pick up Men overboard so they don't have to turn the whole ship around. And while the MOB has a decently powerful engine and usually a rigid hull Lifeboats need nothing but emergency supplies and an emergency beacon so the rescue craft can pick em up a powerful engine on lifeboats just means the rescue craft have a harder time picking up anyone in it.

404 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:00:55am

re: #394 rightside

Morning Lizards.

{rightside}

I have to go--take care, Lizards.

405 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:02am

re: #403 Rustler

Actually looking back looks like the media was calling the MOB a lifeboat which it isn't. It's a rescue craft to pick up Men overboard so they don't have to turn the whole ship around. And while the MOB has a decently powerful engine and usually a rigid hull Lifeboats need nothing but emergency supplies and an emergency beacon so the rescue craft can pick em up a powerful engine on lifeboats just means the rescue craft have a harder time picking up anyone in it.

usually the engine on the lifeboat is needed to take the boat just enough away from the ship before it sinks into the water, after that you're right, it just sits there with its beacons sending info to the nearby ships in the area.

406 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:30am

re: #401 rightside

Good to see you too!

407 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:47am

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}!

Have a great day!

408 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:59am

re: #406 UncleRancher

Likewise!

409 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:05am

Good morning, Lizards.
Another fine spring day in the USA.
(34 degrees in TN)

410 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:39am

re: #409 Wishing

Morning, Wishing.

411 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:52am

Huckabee is co-hosting Fox & Friends this morning, and will have an announcement about his political future later.

I wonder what's on the Animal Channel.

412 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:54am

So folks is it time to start trying to Initiate a Presidential Recall election? Hell he was elected by popular lets remove him the same way and maybe a special election will get us what we need in office.

413 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:05:05am

Well it's time I get it in gear. Got a ton of stuff to do getting ready to travel. Passports, visas, tickets, reservations, etc... I swore off a few years back and now it looks like I'm going to have to saddle up again.

It's been fun. See you farther up the creek. UR

414 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:05:34am

BBIAB

415 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:06:16am

re: #411 MandyManners

Huckabee is co-hosting Fox & Friends this morning, and will have an announcement about his political future later.

I wonder what's on the Animal Channel.

I know it shouldn't matter but Palin's accent grates on my nerves.

416 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:06:17am

re: #412 Rustler

So folks is it time to start trying to Initiate a Presidential Recall election? Hell he was elected by popular lets remove him the same way and maybe a special election will get us what we need in office.

I doubt that will ever happen, though the thought is appealing.
We should probably focus on making changes in the mid-terms, a better use of energy.

417 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:06:35am

re: #411 MandyManners
Did anyone else Notice in the Cantu kidnapping/murder case the media seemed to make a bigger deal out of the perpetrators name "Huckabee" than any other detail of her life other than that she taught sunday school?

418 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:14am

re: #416 Wishing
Yeah but I like thinking about it. I wonder if it would wipe the smile off his face or if he'd ignore the public opinion(like he seems to do with everthing else) and assume he was still president.

419 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:16am

re: #417 Rustler

Morning, Rustler. I don't watch or listen to MSM, but I did read a number of the accounts, and at least in the print media, I didn't notice any focus on her name.

420 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:34am

re: #392 Hengineer

Good to know that Obama also has an Engineering Degree...

wait what?

///

Yeah...he and Reid, "Hey Reid, great idear of yours - that rail-for-one. Think I'll put one into Chicago - got all this money to spend."

421 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:09:27am

re: #412 Rustler

So folks is it time to start trying to Initiate a Presidential Recall election? Hell he was elected by popular lets remove him the same way and maybe a special election will get us what we need in office.

What's the constitutional provision for that?

422 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:25am

re: #415 Hengineer

I know it shouldn't matter but Palin's accent grates on my nerves.

We all have our "things" about people.

423 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:27am

Have a good day ladies and gents. Off to check how the crew did last night. God bless our military personnel!

424 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:13am

re: #421 MandyManners

The only "recall" in the U.S. Constitution is the next election!

425 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:33am

re: #423 Scorch

Have a good day ladies and gents. Off to check how the crew did last night. God bless our military personnel!

Stay safe Scorch. Love the nick!

426 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:53am

re: #417 Rustler

Did anyone else Notice in the Cantu kidnapping/murder case the media seemed to make a bigger deal out of the perpetrators name "Huckabee" than any other detail of her life other than that she taught sunday school?

I paid very little attention. But, a quick Google shows it's spelled "Huckaby".

427 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:59am

re: #422 MandyManners

We all have our "things" about people.

That is true.

428 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:23am

re: #424 quickjustice

The only "recall" in the U.S. Constitution is the next election!

That or impeachment.

429 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:58am

re: #421 MandyManners
Shhh. Your bringing logic into my fantasy.

430 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:13:06am

Good morning.

There is some more good economic news this morning:
U.S. stock futures steady after GE, Citigroup results

LONDON (MarketWatch) - U.S. stock futures were generally steady on Friday, as General Electric and Citigroup both beat analyst estimates on their first-quarter results.
S&P 500 futures were steady at 861.50, Nasdaq 100 futures fell 5 points to 1,347.00 and Dow industrial futures rose 12 points.
The 18 cents a share loss for Citi and the 26-cents-share continuing operations profit at General Electric both came in ahead of market estimates.
Citi reported a 99% improvement in revenue during the first quarter, while GE's revenue slipped 9%. Citigroup's revenue was helped by fewer write-offs.
In pre-market trade, Citi rose 1.8% and GE added 0.2%.

Citi still lost money, but lost less than expected.

It might be amusing to scroll through the comment section of various financial web pages later today. For a while now you can see certain bloggers going on these sites trying to scare people green and claiming that the world is coming to an end.If you read closer, you will see where they also brag about making money off of short sales positions they took. I can only imagine how frantic these stock touts will be as the market moves up, trying to panic people and talk the prices down.

431 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:17am
432 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:21am

re: #419 Wishing
I recently quit watching it but hotel policy is CNN is on in the mornings and it seemed every time the story was out there they had to repeat her name a few times and it always seemed to be the point of emphasis for the sentence. That and they had to mention the sunday school thing I guess cause it helps the whole Church is evil liberal bias.

433 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:37am

re: #429 Rustler

Shhh. Your bringing logic into my fantasy.

Sorry to burst your bubble!

434 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:08am

The high speed rail proposal has been floating around for at least twenty years. No one's been able to find the funding for it--yet.

They spent billions trying to implement it with AMTRAK in the northeast corridor, and the ACELA "high speed" trains can only go fast in very limited areas, because the track isn't up to standard for high speed trains. Typical horrendous government planning, and a financial disaster. Sounds like the future of our nation.

They should privatize AMTRAK, but they won't, to protect the union jobs. Sound familiar?

435 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:25am

re: #428 MandyManners

That or impeachment.

But wouldn't that put Biden in charge?

blech

Don't forget

Biden is #2

Pelosi is #3

Do you really want that?

436 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:40am

re: #430 3 wood

Good morning.

There is some more good economic news this morning:
U.S. stock futures steady after GE, Citigroup results


Citi still lost money, but lost less than expected.

It might be amusing to scroll through the comment section of various financial web pages later today. For a while now you can see certain bloggers going on these sites trying to scare people green and claiming that the world is coming to an end.If you read closer, you will see where they also brag about making money off of short sales positions they took. I can only imagine how frantic these stock touts will be as the market moves up, trying to panic people and talk the prices down.

I wonder how much Pickens' green investments are making.

437 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:17:46am

re: #435 Hengineer
Which is why my fantasy was about a Recall. But Mandy had to go pull my head out of the sand :P

438 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:18:48am

I don't know which barber shop Janet Napolitano goes to but she sure isn't getting her money's worth.

439 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:14am

re: #432 Rustler

I recently quit watching it but hotel policy is CNN is on in the mornings and it seemed every time the story was out there they had to repeat her name a few times and it always seemed to be the point of emphasis for the sentence. That and they had to mention the sunday school thing I guess cause it helps the whole Church is evil liberal bias.

If the alleged killer were a teacher in a madrasah, would that be getting equal play? (Do Muslims have Friday-school teachers?)

440 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:32am

New potential bail out from the Obama Administration:
Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Plan for Newspaper Bailout

Influential Los Angeles Times columnist Rosa Brooks has hung up her journalistic hat and joined the Obama administration, but not before penning a public proposal calling for some radical ideas to help bail out the failing news industry.

Brooks, who has taken up a post as an adviser at the Pentagon, advocated upping "direct government support for public media" and creating licenses to govern news operations.

"Years of foolish policies have left us with a choice: We can bail out journalism, using tax dollars and granting licenses in ways that encourage robust and

independent reporting and commentary, or we can watch, wringing our hands, as more and more top journalists are laid off," she wrote in her parting column on April 9.

Brooks said this would help rescue the industry from a "death spiral" and left the government unaccountable to the journalists who must keep it honest. "[I] can't imagine anything more dangerous than a society in which the news industry has more or less collapsed," she wrote.

441 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:44am

re: #430 3 wood

The short-term outlook for financial services is good, because the AIG bailout is being funneled into the bad banks. And with the yield curve now, any bank that can't make money is a lost cause.

Of course, the taxpayers now own Citibank, so it's continuing losses aren't good for us.

442 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:55am

re: #440 3 wood

New potential bail out from the Obama Administration:
Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Plan for Newspaper Bailout

Basically turning them into the the American version of the BBC?

443 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:21:08am

re: #435 Hengineer

But wouldn't that put Biden in charge?

blech

Don't forget

Biden is #2

Pelosi is #3

Do you really want that?

I'm not the one who proposed recall or impeachment. I merely pointed out the other, constitutional alternative to regular elections.

That said, I could cope better with Biden because--to my knowledge--he's not a red-diaper baby.

444 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:21:08am

re: #439 MandyManners
No clue about Friday school, but I'd be willing to put good money on it getting mentioned maybe 1x(in the original story just giving context for where the possible contact was initiated) and promptly forgotten.

445 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:21:11am

So is the Obama plan to tell us to either take the train or walk?

446 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:52am

re: #436 MandyManners

I heard Pickens speak in NYC last autumn. He admitted that wind and solar aren't profitable without government subsidies. He advocated for a switch to natural gas, because he thinks the Saudis may only have a ten-year supply of oil left.

He definitely thinks there'll be an energy crunch in 2012, based upon limited refining capacity. That has nothing to do with the supply of crude oil.

447 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:08am

By the way, I see where Janet Napolitano has issued an apology, of sorts.

Not ALL of you are right-wing extremists who need to be profiled.

This is an amazing administration. And the MSM continues to cover for her.

448 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:21am

re: #445 Wishing

We'll all be living in 'population pods' near where we work and pick up our daily rations of bread and water. We'll take the train when we are authorized to visit another pod.

449 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:05am

re: #445 Wishing
Love the rail system for Goods transport however maintaining rails for within the city transport is beyond most smaller communities. Larger cities like new york can do it because everything in clumped together but here out west things are way to spread out. I also don't mind rail travel for long distances but hate the Obama proposal.

450 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:15am

re: #445 Wishing

So is the Obama plan to tell us to either take the train or walk?

No the Obama plan is pretty much, 'Take a hike! It's mine, mine, mine! All mine.'

451 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:44am

re: #436 MandyManners

I wonder how much Pickens' green investments are making.

Not much yet, but with Can and Trade that could change.

452 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:58am

re: #440 3 wood

New potential bail out from the Obama Administration:
Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Plan for Newspaper Bailout

An adviser at the Pentagon?! What are her qualifications?

From her Wiki page:

Brooks' previous work included service as a senior adviser to Assistant Secretary Harold Hongju Koh at the U.S. Department of State, five years as an associate professor at the University of Virginia School of Law, and a stint as Special Counsel to the President at the Open Society Institute, George Soros' philanthropic foundation

SNIP

On the Al Qaeda threat

"In 2001, administration stalwarts suggested that Osama bin Laden rivaled Hitler in the danger he posed to U.S. security and insisted that Al Qaeda's power was so great that nothing short of a "global war on terror" was required.

"At that time, most experts say, this description of Al Qaeda simply wasn't true. It was little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well financed and intermittently lethal but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull. On 9/11, they got lucky — but despite the unexpected success of their attack on the U.S., they did not pose an imminent mortal threat to the nation."

453 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:26:54am

re: #445 Wishing

So is the Obama plan to tell us to either take the train or walk?

Or your Segway!

What do you mean you can't afford a Segway?


///

454 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:27:13am

re: #442 Hengineer

Basically turning them into the the American version of the BBC?

or NPR.

455 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:21am

re: #454 3 wood

or NPR.

Tell Rush that EIB network can now get a bailout?

456 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:25am

re: #444 Rustler

No clue about Friday school, but I'd be willing to put good money on it getting mentioned maybe 1x(in the original story just giving context for where the possible contact was initiated) and promptly forgotten.

And, probably buried in the fifth paragraph.

457 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:29:18am

re: #452 MandyManners

An adviser at the Pentagon?! What are her qualifications?

She is a radical left- wing Marxist who hates her country. All the credentials she needs.

I think I'm seeing a pattern with this administration's appointees.

458 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:29:28am

re: #446 quickjustice

I heard Pickens speak in NYC last autumn. He admitted that wind and solar aren't profitable without government subsidies. He advocated for a switch to natural gas, because he thinks the Saudis may only have a ten-year supply of oil left.

He definitely thinks there'll be an energy crunch in 2012, based upon limited refining capacity. That has nothing to do with the supply of crude oil.

Does he have any green companies?

459 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:38am

re: #447 3 wood

By the way, I see where Janet Napolitano has issued an apology, of sorts.

Not ALL of you are right-wing extremists who need to be profiled.

This is an amazing administration. And the MSM continues to cover for her.

Fox had on a retired colonel this morning who was EXTREMELY disgusted with her. He--or Huckabee--said she should resign.

460 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:39am

re: #456 MandyManners Yep in that last line that got squeezed in at half size if they can manage it too.

461 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:31:01am

re: #457 3 wood

She is a radical left- wing Marxist who hates her country. All the credentials she needs.

I think I'm seeing a pattern with this administration's appointees.

What did you study in College?
Women's Liberation

Favorite Author?
Tossup between Karl Marx and Ward Churchill

What piece of electronics do you use the most?
The Bullhorn

you're hired!

/

462 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:31:03am

re: #451 3 wood

Not much yet, but with Can and Trade that could change.

I guess he has to make a buck somehow.

463 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:31:38am

re: #462 MandyManners

I guess he has to make a buck somehow.

That'd be copying Al Gore though.

464 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:32:12am

Obama wants Israel to hold parallel talks with Palestinians and Syria

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Why not invent a cure for cancer while they are at it?

465 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:32:25am

re: #450 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

No the Obama plan is pretty much, 'Take a hike! It's mine, mine, mine! All mine.'

This is My Perch, and These are My People

466 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:32:36am

re: #447 3 wood

By the way, I see where Janet Napolitano has issued an apology, of sorts.

Not ALL of you are right-wing extremists who need to be profiled.

This is an amazing administration. And the MSM continues to cover for her.

Why are you surprised. Look what they did for Reno!

467 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:02am

re: #459 MandyManners

Fox had on a retired colonel this morning who was EXTREMELY disgusted with her. He--or Huckabee--said she should resign.

0bama should resign.

468 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:03am

Here's an interesting item:
Georgetown University Hid Religious Symbols at White House Request

Georgetown University hid a religious inscription representing the name of Jesus during President Obama's address there Tuesday, FOXNews.com has confirmed, because White House staff asked the school to cover up all religious symbols and signs while the president was on stage.

The monogram IHS, whose letters spell out the name of Jesus, and which normally perches above the stage in Gaston Hall where the president spoke, was covered over with what appeared to be black wood during the address.

"In coordinating the logistical arrangements for the event, Georgetown honored the White House staff's request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind the Gaston Hall stage," university spokesman Andy Pino told FOXNews.com.

469 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:48am

re: #459 MandyManners

Fox had on a retired colonel this morning who was EXTREMELY disgusted with her. He--or Huckabee--said she should resign.

I think she fully reflects the views of this administration.

470 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:58am

re: #440 3 wood

New potential bail out from the Obama Administration:
Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Plan for Newspaper Bailout

Brooks, who has taken up a post as an adviser at the Pentagon, advocated upping "direct government support for public media" and creating licenses to govern news operations.

What does that mean? Licensing print media, too? A back-door for the Fairness Doctrine for electronic media?

471 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:35:05am

re: #457 3 wood

She is a radical left- wing Marxist who hates her country. All the credentials she needs.

I think I'm seeing a pattern with this administration's appointees.

I wonder how many have connections to Soros. This woman was the OSI's attorney!

472 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:35:59am

re: #458 MandyManners
His heads 2 green companies. Through his companies, Clean Energy and Mesa Water, T. Boone Pickens is working hard to ensure clean air and a plentiful supply of water for our future.
from his homepage.

Clean energy is a Company that produces Nat Gas for vehicle use. While Mesa water transports water from the water Rich Oghalla aquifer to Dallas area. Technically they are green Companies.

473 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:36:08am

re: #460 Rustler

Yep in that last line that got squeezed in at half size if they can manage it too.

We'll never know.

474 3 wood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:02am

Got to get ready for work, so I can pay for Napolitano to profile me for attending a Bible study and volunteering at retirement homes.

475 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:22am

re: #463 Hengineer

That'd be copying Al Gore though.

So? People who are out to make money while exploiting mania do what they gotta' do.

476 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:36am

re: #475 MandyManners

So? People who are out to make money while exploiting mania do what they gotta' do.

True 'Dat

477 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:39am

re: #458 MandyManners

For what it's worth, here's his "Pickens Plan" website:

[Link: www.pickensplan.com...]

His plan is premised upon the need for energy "independence", a concept that is controversial given the global integration of the energy industry.

478 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:42am

Ex-CIA Chief Criticizes Release of Interrogation Memos
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden says release of the memos will give terrorists a precise guide for what to expect in a CIA interrogation if those methods are ever approved for use again.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Used again? They gonna put terrorists up at the Hilton next time!

479 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:52am

re: #467 Sharmuta

0bama should resign.

Not in a gazillion years.

480 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:38:41am

re: #469 3 wood

I think she fully reflects the views of this administration.

Of course she does. I don't know of a single president who has nominated people who don't follow his views.

481 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:39:39am

re: #480 MandyManners

Of course she does. I don't know of a single president who has nominated people who don't follow his views.

President Bush picked Scott McClellan as his press secretary?

482 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:39:41am

re: #472 Rustler

His heads 2 green companies. Through his companies, Clean Energy and Mesa Water, T. Boone Pickens is working hard to ensure clean air and a plentiful supply of water for our future.
from his homepage.

Clean energy is a Company that produces Nat Gas for vehicle use. While Mesa water transports water from the water Rich Oghalla aquifer to Dallas area. Technically they are green Companies.

No windmills on dashboards of cars?

483 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:40:19am

re: #481 Nevergiveup

President Bush picked Scott McClellan as his press secretary?

I thought Scottie turned later.

484 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:41:03am

re: #467 Sharmuta

Resign? Obama's just getting started! At this point, he's trotting out every public works project his team can conceive of. That's what the high speed passenger rail initiative is all about.

All the bungled and misconceived public works projects of the past are about to be resurrected. Count on it!

485 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:41:55am

Fox is showing some stupid idiot from CNN who smeared protesters at a Tea-Party rally while she was reporting. She rudely interrupted this one man she was "interviewing" and talked to others as if they were dogs!

486 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:42:26am

FOX RATINGS SURGE ON PROTEST COVERAGE
8-11 PM ET

FOXNEWS 3,390,000
MSNBC 1,210,000
CNN 1,070,000
CNN HEADLINE 909,000


FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,980,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,239,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,947,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,740,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,401,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,185,000
COMEDY DAILY SHOW 1,777,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
COMEDY COLBERT 1,446,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
CNN KING 1,292,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,149,000
CNN COOPER 1,021,000

This just shows how much all the other networks suck, not how good FOX is?

487 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:42:53am

re: #483 MandyManners

I thought Scottie turned later.

A rat is rat is a rat is a rat!

488 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:44:52am

re: #487 Nevergiveup

I thought Scott McClellan was a disaster of a press sec'y from the get-go.

489 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:45:00am

re: #482 MandyManners

Pickens predicted that the price of petroleum will recover early next year. He says that solar and wind can't possibly fuel an 18-wheeler. That's why he's focused on natural gas, which he says is the only fuel domestically available in large supplies.

Once again, his argument is premised upon "energy independence".

490 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:45:35am

Morning Lizards. yeah love Fox news.

491 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:46:36am

re: #485 MandyManners

I saw that footage yesterday. She's editorializing, not reporting. That's why CNN is synonymous with "leftie bias".

492 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:47:04am

re: #488 elevenbravo1969

I thought Scott McClellan was a disaster of a press sec'y from the get-go.

Traitorous rat bastards usually are.

493 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:47:33am

re: #491 quickjustice

I saw that footage yesterday. She's editorializing, not reporting. That's why CNN is synonymous with "leftie bias".

I thought that was MSNBC?

494 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:48:21am

re: #24 redc1c4

deliberate sabotage on the part of the MFM.

Most of the mainstreaming seems to be happening on Fox News, which either hosts these jerks or invites them on as guests on a regular basis.

And there are a number of Internet venues where their excesses are met with silence, or where they are openly praised. And I'm not talking about anything on the Left side of the spectrum.

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:48:29am

Drive by...wife sick... Hi Y'all. Bye!

496 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:48:30am

re: #493 Nevergiveup

MSNBC has a "commie-bias."

497 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:48:34am

re: #488 elevenbravo1969

McClellan sounded like Porky Pig. His mother is a big wheel in Texas GOP politics, and took on Perry, I think. George Bush paid a heavy price for letting this treacherous little turncoat into his Administration.

498 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:49:02am

re: #493 Nevergiveup

I thought that was MSNBC?

No if it were a MSNBC reporter she would have pepper sprayed the poor man as well.

499 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:49:26am

re: #496 elevenbravo1969

MSNBC has a "commie-bias."

Shit I gotta start righting this down so I remember all the nuances.

500 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:49:42am

re: #491 quickjustice

I saw that footage yesterday. She's editorializing, not reporting. That's why CNN is synonymous with "leftie bias".

She inserted her bias quite readily.

501 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:50:29am

re: #491 quickjustice

I saw that footage yesterday. She's editorializing, not reporting. That's why CNN is synonymous with "leftie bias".

Her High-Mindedness and arrogance is hard to ignore, unless you just don't want to see it. Smartest person in the room !

/spit

502 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:50:41am

I attended the NYC Tea Party protest in City Hall Park, Manhattan. NYPD estimate: 12,500 attendees.

Hannity, a New York guy, ran down to Atlanta, figuring there'd be no action in NYC. He missed the big scoop.

503 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:51:17am

re: #482 MandyManners
He's more on energy independance than true blue solar/wind green energy. Natural gas is cleaner than oil based fuels so he tryed using the green hype I think rather than actually believing in it.

504 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:51:28am

re: #502 quickjustice

I attended the NYC Tea Party protest in City Hall Park, Manhattan. NYPD estimate: 12,500 attendees.

Hannity, a New York guy, ran down to Atlanta, figuring there'd be no action in NYC. He missed the big scoop.

My friend wanted me to meet him there. He really wanted to go. So it was interesting?

505 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:51:31am

re: #502 quickjustice

I attended the NYC Tea Party protest in City Hall Park, Manhattan. NYPD estimate: 12,500 attendees.

Hannity, a New York guy, ran down to Atlanta, figuring there'd be no action in NYC. He missed the big scoop.

What was the big scoop?

506 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:52:06am

re: #503 Rustler

He's more on energy independance than true blue solar/wind green energy. Natural gas is cleaner than oil based fuels so he tryed using the green hype I think rather than actually believing in it.

Is he pushing for drilling here?

507 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:53:31am

re: #505 MandyManners

12,500 center-right protesters in Manhattan, which runs 10-1 Democrat-GOP in registration? Those numbers in NYC are a scoop!

508 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:54:02am

re: #507 quickjustice

12,500 center-right protesters in Manhattan, which runs 10-1 Democrat-GOP in registration? Those numbers in NYC are a scoop!

One word: ACORN

509 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:54:07am

re: #507 quickjustice

12,500 center-right protesters in Manhattan, which runs 10-1 Democrat-GOP in registration? Those numbers in NYC are a scoop!

I'll say!

510 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:54:24am

re: #508 Wishing

One word: ACORN

How so?

511 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:54:38am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

Huge, fired up crowd. Those don't happen in NYC. Even Sharpton and ACORN can only gather a couple of hundred these days.

512 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:55:00am

re: #506 MandyManners

Is he pushing for drilling here?

IIRC, I've heard him say he wants to convert all the BigRigs to Natural gas as part of it. Don't know about the drilling aspect.

513 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:55:22am

I think even the stay-at-home-rather-than-vote peeps are beginning to get uncomfortable enough to get off their butts. If this is what the tea parties did, then good on em!

514 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:55:53am

re: #510 MandyManners

How so?

Affecting the registration.

515 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:56:07am

re: #511 quickjustice

Huge, fired up crowd. Those don't happen in NYC. Even Sharpton and ACORN can only gather a couple of hundred these days.

I wanted to go, but I was at a Military Funeral and was in Uniform. Really couldn't go in that. Kinda of a No No.

516 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:56:29am

re: #508 Wishing

ACORN is only drawing a few dozen, even in NYC. Their strength tends to be in campaign "organization", where they dispense large amounts of cash to their workers. Care to guess where they get the cash? Formerly Soros.

Nowadays, it's the "stimulus".

517 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:56:51am

Talk of New York has given me a eureka! moment...I'll bet Gov. Patterson is cutting Janet Napolitano's hair.

518 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:57:08am

re: #516 quickjustice

ACORN is only drawing a few dozen, even in NYC. Their strength tends to be in campaign "organization", where they dispense large amounts of cash to their workers. Care to guess where they get the cash? Formerly Soros.

Nowadays, it's the "stimulus".

At registration time? Pre-election?

519 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:57:46am

re: #506 MandyManners
He was for it for a while he hasn't come out for it much recently but hasn't come out against it either.

520 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:58:49am

Time to get some...breakfast.

L8R.

521 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:59:03am

re: #519 Rustler

He was for it for a while he hasn't come out for it much recently but hasn't come out against it either.

Coming out against *green* anything qualifies as a mortal sin in the current admin, no?

522 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:59:03am

re: #517 elevenbravo1969

Talk of New York has given me a eureka! moment...I'll bet Gov. Patterson is cutting Janet Napolitano's hair.

I made a joke about his vision when he got "elected" and everyone here jumped all over me, but hey Patterson makes jokes about his vision also.

523 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:59:10am

re: #518 Wishing

Of course! ACORN does anything election related, including walking through the cemeteries, copying down the names for the registration lists.

524 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:59:14am

Rosa Brooks, former L.A. Times columnist, now adviser to the Pentagon.

Still, I knew it was time to pray for a government bailout in December, when my editor explained that because the paper's parent company had filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, I might not get paid for my recent columns. From a legal perspective, he told me, I wasn't a columnist -- I was an "unsecured creditor" of Tribune Co. (Along with other freelancers, I got paid in the end, but if I ever do this again, I'll be sure to ask CEO Sam Zell for some collateral first -- the title to his house, maybe.)

Of course, I'm not taking a government job only because I feel lucky to parachute out before some cost-cutter eliminates every last column. At this moment in history, I can't imagine anything more rewarding than being part of the new team that's shaping U.S. policy.

SNIP

If the thought of government subsidization of journalism seems novel, it shouldn't. Most other democracies provide far more direct government support for public media than the U.S. does (Canada spends 16 times as much per capita; Britain spends 60 times as much). And as Nichols and McChesney point out, our government already "doles out tens of billions of dollars in direct and indirect [media] subsidies," including free broadcast, cable and satellite privileges.

SNIP

Does Canada have its version of the First Amendment? I'm pretty sure that Britain doesn't.

525 lifeofthemind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:59:32am

re: #470 MandyManners

Brooks, who has taken up a post as an adviser at the Pentagon, advocated upping "direct government support for public media" and creating licenses to govern news operations.

What does that mean? Licensing print media, too? A back-door for the Fairness Doctrine for electronic media?

It's a new Stamp Act, pretty tone deaf on the heals of the Tea Party protests.

526 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:00:41am

re: #522 Nevergiveup

It's Paterson with one "t". He's too busy kissing labor union ass to cut any hair. He doesn't need 20-20 vision for that!

527 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:00:59am

re: #522 Nevergiveup

I was not making a joke about Patterson's vision.

528 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:01:36am

t-minus

529 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:02:52am

What will Brooks do at the Pentagon? The position of "adviser" could mean anything. Will she advise on how to conform our military law to international law? How to ignore AQ?

I'd like to take a look at the advisers FCBBHO has appointed whose positions don't need Senate approval. I bet there are a lot of fucking, Commie bastards.

530 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:03:11am

re: #525 lifeofthemind

It's a new Stamp Act, pretty tone deaf on the heals of the Tea Party protests.

I heard this morning that Obama was *unaware* of the Tea Parties.
Laughable.

531 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:04:19am

re: #527 elevenbravo1969

I was not making a joke about Patterson's vision.

I wasn't criticizing you. I thought it was pretty funny. Anyway I've been married over 25 years, it would be pretty hard to offend me.

532 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:04:49am

re: #525 lifeofthemind

It's a new Stamp Act, pretty tone deaf on the heals of the Tea Party protests.

Actually, one of her suggestions is "eliminating postal rates for periodicals that get less than 20% of their revenues from advertising,.."

533 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:05:34am

re: #532 MandyManners

Actually, one of her suggestions is "eliminating postal rates for periodicals that get less than 20% of their revenues from advertising,.."

That sounds a bit *focused*. I wonder who she is getting a kick-back from.

534 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:05:49am

re: #205 Spar Kling

I hadn't heard the quote before--thanks for posting it. Apparently, radical socialism was the hip thing at the time. "In the East, a new star is risen," and "behold in the East a new man-child is born" sounds like a messianic view of Lenin!

I feel very sorry for Helen Keller's disabilities, but for her to have had so much faith in any human or human institution was just foolish.

-sk

In fairness, even as late as the 1920s the true horrors of Communism weren't apparent to the world at large. Then, and as the world entered the Great Depression, Communism and Socialism had a large following in Europe and in the United States. It isn't at all surprising that Keller was caught up in this; a whole lot of people were. Stories about the massive failures of Communism, it's oppression, and the gulags didn't become widely known until after WWII.

Not to mention that life for the average schmuck in Czarist Russia was no picnic, either. Anything that replaced that system was bound to be viewed as an improvement, no matter what it consisted of.

Keller's statement is also a fine example of why the "Appeal to Authority" argument is deemed a fallacy, and is expressly disallowed in legal arguments. Expertise in one area - in this case, overcoming personal challenges - does NOT translate into expertise in other areas. Another fine example of this is Noam Chomsky, whose contributions to abstract mathematical "grammars" are taught in every computer science curriculum, but whose excursions into politics are packed with incomprehension, distortions and outright lies.

535 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:06:10am

re: #532 MandyManners

Actually, one of her suggestions is "eliminating postal rates for periodicals that get less than 20% of their revenues from advertising,.."

That's from her last column for the LAT.

536 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:06:39am

re: #531 Nevergiveup

I really didn't take it as crticism. But I'm so spluttering mad at Napolitano that I'm reduced to quick ad hominem attacks.

537 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:07:42am

re: #502 quickjustice

I attended the NYC Tea Party protest in City Hall Park, Manhattan. NYPD estimate: 12,500 attendees.

Hannity, a New York guy, ran down to Atlanta, figuring there'd be no action in NYC. He missed the big scoop.

There seems to be some disagreement about that number. On TimesWatch, a web site that watchdogs the NYT, I found the following paragraph:


The website ParcBench, which advertises itself as "NYC Tea Party Headquarters," cited a "New York Police Department" claim of 12,500 protestors. The New York Post estimated a crowd of 5,000 around City Hall last night, while the Associated Press counted 2,000. Times Watch's best guess bsaed on personal observation? Somewhere between the AP's 2,000 and the Post's 5,000.

Have been looking for other estimates, but haven't found anything yet.

538 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:08:29am

re: #535 MandyManners

That's from her last column for the LAT.

The header on that article: Other democracies pay for accurate reporting, so why shouldn't the U.S.?
Ok, what accurate reporting?

539 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:08:59am

re: #530 Wishing

The word is that the White House is "infuriated" by the Tea Party protests.

540 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:09:30am

re: #539 quickjustice

The word is that the White House is "infuriated" by the Tea Party protests.

Aww, I so hurt for them!
/need I?

541 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:09:41am

re: #539 quickjustice

I'd say that's a good thing.

542 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:10:06am

Ok kids, I am off for a meeting this morning.
Play nice.

543 Pietr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:10:38am

re: #529 MandyManners

What will Brooks do at the Pentagon? The position of "adviser" could mean anything. Will she advise on how to conform our military law to international law? How to ignore AQ?

I'd like to take a look at the advisers FCBBHO has appointed whose positions don't need Senate approval. I bet there are a lot of fucking, Commie bastards.

I caught some of Hannitys' take on the radio Re this, yesterday afternoon. His worry was that here we have a member of the MFM who will have access to ALL Top Secret docs and plans at the Pentagon. His thoughts were on the line of 'Shades of Leaky Leheigh'. Implication was that NYT printed every document they could to aid the WoT enemy, so what are the odds this 'adviser' would oney her National Security oaths...Oh, forgot my manners...Good Morning Ms Manners, and Lizard Natiion.

544 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:11:07am

I like the idea of slipping a little sand into Gibbsie's thong.

545 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:11:28am

re: #486 Nevergiveup

FOX RATINGS SURGE ON PROTEST COVERAGE
8-11 PM ET

FOXNEWS 3,390,000
MSNBC 1,210,000
CNN 1,070,000
CNN HEADLINE 909,000

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,980,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,239,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,947,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,740,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,401,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,185,000
COMEDY DAILY SHOW 1,777,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
COMEDY COLBERT 1,446,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
CNN KING 1,292,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,149,000
CNN COOPER 1,021,000

This just shows how much all the other networks suck, not how good FOX is?

High ratings don't imply quality; they simply state viewership. I'd guess that "American Idol" had even higher ratings than anything shown here.

I don't think anyone here would argue that the additional 5 million votes Obama received provide any proof that he is a "better" President than McCain might have been.

And sadly, in the case of Beck, a lot of those viewers are tuning in to watch the freak show, not out of agreement.

546 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:11:34am

re: #538 Wishing

Through our subscriptions and advertising, we do "pay" for accurate reporting. Of course, we always can stop paying if we don't like the product. I think she means "taxpayer-supported" reporting, which is Big Brother controlling the news. Perfect for Obama and the Democrats.

"Shut up", Obama explained.

547 Pietr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:11:38am

re: #543 Pietr

PIMF-OBEY, not oney...Sheesh.

548 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:13:33am

re: #535 MandyManners

IIRC, she also is advocating for the govt to subsidize newspapers. I could be wrong though.

549 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:14:43am

re: #510 MandyManners
Registration fraud most likely?


re: #521 Wishing

Which is why he has probably stopped advocating domestic drilling and utilizing Oil Shale deposits(allthough the oil shale may

550 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:15:03am

re: #530 Wishing

I heard this morning that Obama was *unaware* of the Tea Parties.
Laughable.

Being 'unaware' of something this big is Obama's way of NOT VOTING "Present"... inside, he's a little kid, vying for attention, and little kids don't want to see unpleasant things...

So he was unaware of the nationwide demonstration of serious displeasure...

551 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:15:46am

re: #539 quickjustice

Word from whom? Official spokespersons? Linkey? :D

552 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:15:56am

Some tea party numbers from Americans for Tax Reform. No New York on it yet I think they sorting the widely conflicting reports on hte numbers.

553 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:16:31am

re: #541 elevenbravo1969

We're gonna get a reaction from the White House for sure. Limbaugh thinks a new version of the Alien and Sedition Acts, in which prominent political opponents of the Federalist Party were imprisoned, is possible.

We now have the NSA, which can collect all of our phone calls and e-mails. It was formerly used to spy outside our shores, but after 9/11, Bush turned it inward against those calling terrorists from the U.S. Obama wants even more authority for NSA warrantless domestic spying against U.S. citizens. Do you think he can resist the temptation to use it against his political opponents?

554 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:16:52am

re: #533 Wishing

That sounds a bit *focused*. I wonder who she is getting a kick-back from.

Did you see her proposal for "a tax credit for the first $200 taxpayers spend on newspaper subscriptions"? Very elitist.

555 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:17:02am

re: #29 MrPaulRevere

TV exposure is why, no doubt about it. I watched an entire Beck show over the weekend, Jonah Goldberg looked liked he was embarrassed to be there. He should be.

It's like those minor scenes in Atlas Shrugged where a lame-ass loser is put up by the media as a leading example of a despised class of people.

556 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:18:21am

re: #538 Wishing

The header on that article: Other democracies pay for accurate reporting, so why shouldn't the U.S.?
Ok, what accurate reporting?

Accurate reporting means it's in line with that the FCBBHO Administration wants propagated to the rest of us.

557 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:02am

re: #553 quickjustice

We're gonna get a reaction from the White House for sure. Limbaugh thinks a new version of the Alien and Sedition Acts, in which prominent political opponents of the Federalist Party were imprisoned, is possible.

We now have the NSA, which can collect all of our phone calls and e-mails. It was formerly used to spy outside our shores, but after 9/11, Bush turned it inward against those calling terrorists from the U.S. Obama wants even more authority for NSA warrantless domestic spying against U.S. citizens. Do you think he can resist the temptation to use it against his political opponents?

Let him, that would be his downfall.

558 Karridine  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:08am
Do you think he can resist the temptation to use it against his political opponents?

Oh, what IS that old, outdated and quaint saying about power, corruption and absolute power?

Dang... Obama is SO POWERFUL...

559 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:12am

re: #552 Rustler

We estimated about 800-1000 people at the tea party my co-worker and I attended. When asked if they had ever been to a protest like this, everyone that I saw raised their hands, including me. There may have been some, but if so, they were few and far between.

The left organizes better, since many of them who attend the protests don't work, and have time to fuck off.

560 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:13am

re: #543 Pietr

I caught some of Hannitys' take on the radio Re this, yesterday afternoon. His worry was that here we have a member of the MFM who will have access to ALL Top Secret docs and plans at the Pentagon. His thoughts were on the line of 'Shades of Leaky Leheigh'. Implication was that NYT printed every document they could to aid the WoT enemy, so what are the odds this 'adviser' would oney her National Security oaths...Oh, forgot my manners...Good Morning Ms Manners, and Lizard Natiion.

I doubt she'll have that kind of access. She has no need to know.

561 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:22am

re: #537 JustMyView

My personal estimate was around 5,000. They covered three city blocks. It was definitely in the thousands. The NYPD has more experience at estimating crowd size than I.

562 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:19:44am

re: #550 Karridine

Being 'unaware' of something this big is Obama's way of NOT VOTING "Present"... inside, he's a little kid, vying for attention, and little kids don't want to see unpleasant things...

So he was unaware of the nationwide demonstration of serious displeasure...

He's mentally rewriting reality. It's part of the SOP for those who believe in the Primacy of the Parasite.

563 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:20:18am

re: #548 rightside

IIRC, she also is advocating for the govt to subsidize newspapers. I could be wrong though.

Did you read the link to her last column at the LAT?

564 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:21:12am

Gotta' scoot.

I'm gonna' be taking a close look at Brooks today.

565 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:21:27am

re: #564 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot.

I'm gonna' be taking a close look at Brooks today.

Brothers?

566 Pietr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:22:38am

re: #556 MandyManners

Accurate reporting means it's in line with that the FCBBHO Administration wants propagated to the rest of us.

Party line, mixed with the right amount of hope and change, 2 pinches tablespoons of propaganda, and 2 tablespoons cups of disinformation...voila the Accurate News!

567 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:25:03am

U.S. Naval Academy officials say they’ve received a 50 percent increase in applications this year.

The Military Academy at West Point and the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs have seen 10 percent increases in applicants.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Well we will see what the new class looks like. I am going to be on Active Duty down there when the new Class comes in.

568 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:25:11am

re: #563 MandyManners

Did you read the link to her last column at the LAT?

The unpleasant fact of the matter is that we're going to have to rebuild the infrastructure of our culture. We will have to clean out the Leftists or recreate our schools, colleges and universities, and media organizations in order to continue as a civilization.

569 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:25:33am

re: #563 MandyManners

Yep! that was the one...I thought she sounded familiar. The scary part is that she actually believes a government owned media would be good for this country.

Gone are the days where an honest media was the "watchdog" for the citizenry, now, they openly advocate for every progressive cause, and shill for left-leaning pols. Mainstream journalism is dead. That includes Fox News too.

570 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:26:12am

re: #539 quickjustice

The word is that the White House is "infuriated" by the Tea Party protests.

Then I would think that they accomplished the mission. As I look around the news sites this AM, it appears that Dems in general are denouncing the tea parties as funded by Repubs or Fox news. It seems the Dems are actually getting worried.

571 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:26:57am

re: #570 johnnyreb

Then I would think that they accomplished the mission. As I look around the news sites this AM, it appears that Dems in general are denouncing the tea parties as funded by Repubs or Fox news. It seems the Dems are actually getting worried.

FOX news? Didn't the guys on CNBC kinda kick this stuff off also?

572 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:32:13am

re: #571 Nevergiveup

FOX news? Didn't the guys on CNBC kinda kick this stuff off also?

Yes they did, but the Dems can't seem to not blame Fox. Just like that reporter yesterday did. So I would call the tea parties a huge success. Even my local LLL paper had nice pictures and a good and fair write up. It did not turn into a nationwide kook party as some here and on other blogs were screaming that was going to happen.

573 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:32:53am

I did finally on April 15th show someone exactly what I meant when I told him he had 0 tax liability tho. I thought I made out like a bandit thanks to the 300 dollar stimulus I got I ended up with more than I put in. I was mad about it he shows me his w2's and estimated return He is getting back $986 more than he paid in. Last time I tryed explaining it he didn't like the made up numbers I used this time I showed him with his real numbers and think he might have gotten the concept but still believes it's a good thing.

574 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:33:33am

re: #537 JustMyView

Have been looking for other estimates, but haven't found anything yet.

First-hand reports that were posted here over the last couple of days were falling within the 2000 - 4000 range, which is in line with these other estimates.

575 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:33:44am

re: #551 Karridine

It took me a few minutes to find the link, but here it is:

[Link: jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com...]

"THE top suits and some of the on-air talent at CNBC were recently ordered to a top-secret meeting with General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt and NBC Universal President Jeff Zucker to discuss whether they've turned into the President Obama-bashing network, Page Six has learned.

"It was an intensive, three-hour dinner at 30 Rock which Zucker himself was behind," a source familiar with the powwow told us. "There was a long discussion about whether CNBC has become too conservative and is beating up on Obama too much. There's great concern that CNBC is now the anti-Obama network. The whole meeting was really kind of creepy."

I thought the memo had already gone out that those meanies at Fox News represented the anti-Obama network?

One topic under the microscope, our insider said, was on-air CNBC editor Rick Santelli's rant two months ago about staging a "Chicago Tea Party" to protest the president's bailout programs -- an idea that spawned tax protest tea parties in other big cities, infuriating the White House. Oddly, Santelli was not at the meeting, while Jim Cramer was, noted our source, who added that no edict was ultimately handed down by the network chieftains.

Huh? The tea parties infuriated the White House? Why, just yesterday, Obama's stooge pretended they had no idea there were tea parties."

576 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:34:48am

I got an honest tea party headcount with my own eyes in downtown Napa, CA: 50!
This was at both at 1:30 pm and 7:30 pm. I was told there were more people earlier and at 5 pm or so. 50 may not seem like a lot of people, but considering the venue, I thought it was amazing. The event went from early am to 9 pm and was not sponsored by any political party.

577 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:36:03am

re: #575 quickjustice

Huh? The tea parties infuriated the White House? Why, just yesterday, Obama's stooge pretended they had no idea there were tea parties."

There are so many, please be more specific?

578 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:38:04am

FOX TV is saying Obama may meet with Hugo Chavez?

579 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:40:20am

re: #576 elevenbravo1969

I was in Napa last October. It's a beautiful, rural community with a lot of recent development. Any protest at all would be surprising!

580 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:41:15am

re: #577 rightside

His press secretary. You know, the grinning idiot.

581 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:41:17am

re: #570 johnnyreb

Then I would think that they accomplished the mission. As I look around the news sites this AM, it appears that Dems in general are denouncing the tea parties as funded by Repubs or Fox news. It seems the Dems are actually getting worried.

We should remember that many Dems are in fact believers in the Gospel according to Marx. And we should also remember that Marxists believe in using violence against those who oppose their brand of Socialism.

There will be a certain amount of "preparation and conditioning" before the hounds are unleashed upon us.

Already those of us who have organized or participated in the Tea Parties are being smeared and dehumanized by the willing servants in the media.

If anything, I was surprised that the so-called anarchists weren't already committing acts of violence against the Tea Party participants.

582 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:42:17am

re: #578 Nevergiveup

FOX TV is saying Obama may meet with Hugo Chavez?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

583 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:42:50am

re: #578 Nevergiveup

Obama no doubt feels Hugo needs some 'radicalizing'.

584 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:46:03am

re: #581 The Other Les

There was an incident at the NYC Tea Party. A black male with long hair dropped a package in the middle of the crowd and ran off. Police were summoned. Apparently the package turned out to be harmless. The crowd was well-behaved. I saw one young man walking through the crowd with a sign that said, "Face it. You lost."

At the first NYC Tea Party a couple of months ago, a young woman stood at the entrance to the park with her third finger extended, cursing us. We were only a couple of hundred at that time. A large crowd actually increases the politeness of the counter-protesters. If they were rude, they'd provoke violence upon themselves.

585 Rustler  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:46:51am

re: #583 elevenbravo1969
Nah He's going to ask Hugo for some pointers in speeding up the Socialization of the US.

586 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:47:21am

re: #580 quickjustice

The best one evah!

587 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:48:49am

It's friday, everyone needs a good laugh:

588 notutopia  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:52:10am

People used to say my music was too difficult or too obscure, and I never set out to be difficult or obscure. I just set out to write what I felt as honestly as I could, and I am delighted when other people feel a part of themselves in the music.
— Leonard Cohen

Melodies, like Love, are individual and require careful discretion.
It's what makes us all appreciate similarities, but
very picky when we choose our favorite.

Good morning Lizards!

589 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:52:45am

re: #538 Wishing

The header on that article: Other democracies pay for accurate reporting, so why shouldn't the U.S.?
Ok, what accurate reporting?

A good question. But the larger issue of whether the press ought to be regulated, or at least officially monitored in some way, remains open.

How many people think it is OK for the press to publish a story, on the eve of a national Presidential election, that casts one of the candidates in an extremely poor light, even when the "facts" being used to support the story have been dismissed by the reporter's own internal fact checkers as fabrications? How many people feel that having the heads of newspapers and broadcast news services hold secret telecons with one candidate to discuss the upcoming day's talking points is reasonable, objective and fair? And what is their view when such meetings continue after the candidate in question is elected, and the discussions turn toward policy promotion?

At times, it certainly seems as though the press needs external, independent oversight. Other professions - legal, medical, and so on - have managed to establish oversight boards and established practices that are reasonably good at self-policing. The press, currently, has no such process of formal review, no authority to which complaints against practitioners can be made; it doesn't even have any formal standards it can hold up to judge individual efforts against. And yet, the press wields tremendous power as the only source the citizenry has for obtaining information about the workings of government (and many, many other things) that haven't been chosen by those being reported upon. Worse, that objectivity and independance is, apparently, rapidly being eroded, and an ad hoc marriage between the media and one particular political ideology is being emplaced without any objections or even regulation.

I can't say I'm happy about the prospect of the press being subsidized by the very institutions they're supposed to be investigating and reporting on. But in the present situation, it appears that we're already there.

I would much prefer it if the press simply dropped the charade that they're fair and objective. It's become a joke over the last couple of decades. Better for them to simply announce their allegiance to one ideology or another and make it plain that they aren't even going to attempt to report fairly. That's more in line with how things are in the European press. It wasn't all that different in the United States a while back, when the Atlanta Constitution would fire a cannon from the top of their building when the candidate they were supporting won. Following Hearst's public flogging over his pursuit of "yellow journalism," the press has hidden behind this mantra of objectivity and fairness, and probably even pursued it for a while, but nowadays it is a complete joke and everyone knows it. The charade ought to be dropped, in the spirit of honesty and of owning your own biases and beliefs. As an editor, feel free to impose your board's political views on what you publish. But don't lie to me and tell me it's shinola when it's really...

590 MJ  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:53:12am

Israel bashing, terror apologists, and George Soros' funded J-Street is profiled in the Israel bashing, terror apologist Washington Post:


New Liberal Jewish Lobby Quickly Makes Its Mark

J Street Is Leading Pro-Israel PAC, Filings Show, Though Year-Old Group Has Attracted Criticism

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

591 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:56:05am

re: #584 quickjustice

I saw one young man walking through the crowd with a sign that said, "Face it. You lost."


Another manifestation of a belief in what Ayn Rand used to call the Primacy of Consciousness, a belief that reality is not inherently real but is in some way alterable by a ruling consciousness. In this case, the collective.

The number of votes they received (or in the Chicago system, claimed to received) doesn't change the fact that they are wrong. They need to learn that reality is not subject to a majority vote.

592 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:01:23am

Good morning folks!

Way to go, Charles. I just love a Friday morning overnight open thread with a Leonard Cohen quote. So here's one more, and a great video from his current tour:

"There are cracks in everything. That's how the light gets in." - Leonard Cohen

593 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:03:26am

re: #584 quickjustice

A large crowd actually increases the politeness of the counter-protesters. If they were rude, they'd provoke violence upon themselves.

This lends credence to the story that the protesters were inherently threatening.

I would have preferred to hear that any counter-protesters were induced into good behavior by tolerance and the acceptance of free speech rights exhibited by the crowd as a whole. Not that they were too terrified to speak.

594 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:03:58am

re: #578 Nevergiveup

FOX TV is saying Obama may meet with Hugo Chavez?

Actually, what they are saying is that no meeting is planned, but a chance encounter may occur as they will both be at the Summit of the Americas meeting. That's a little different.

595 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:04:14am

Mornin' all. How goes it? Sheesh, I'll be glad to get home and have a computer with a functional keyboard!

596 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:05:34am

re: #594 JustMyView
"NO meeting is planned"...right, wink, nudge.

597 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:05:35am

re: #590 MJ

Israel bashing, terror apologists, and George Soros' funded J-Street is profiled in the Israel bashing, terror apologist Washington Post:

New Liberal Jewish Lobby Quickly Makes Its Mark

J Street Is Leading Pro-Israel PAC, Filings Show, Though Year-Old Group Has Attracted Criticism

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

J Street is NOT "pro" Israel. They are anti-Israel. Period.

598 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:05:59am

Good morning all! I like it in here in the early AM... nice and quiet.
It's raining like crazy here and I am loving it.

599 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:06:42am

Good morning everyone! It's finally sunny here in the land Lost in the Woods, and I only have a week left before finally going home!
Charles, thank you for posting the quote by Leonard Cohen. He is one of my favorite musicians.

600 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:07:18am

re: #597 Alouette
I hear two state and pro peace and I'm thinking Paleosimian appeasers.

601 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:08:48am

re: #595 pingjockey

Ping! It's Friday, off to a good start!

602 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:08:53am

Tipping our hand to the enemy:

Obama releases Bush torture memos

That sound you hear is Al Qaeda's training manual being updated.

Thanks President Obama.

603 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:09:59am

re: #602 Kenneth

Tipping our hand to the enemy:

Obama releases Bush torture memos

That sound you hear is Al Qaeda's training manual being updated.

Thanks President Obama.


Obama throws the country under the bus--again.
Good morning lizards.

604 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:10:47am

re: #594 JustMyView

But will he bow to Chavez or simply grovel?

605 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:11:34am

re: #604 Kenneth

But will he bow to Chavez or simply grovel?

kiss kiss -- they kiss both cheeks in Venezuela.

606 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:12:26am

re: #601 rightside
That remains to be seen! I have one more trailer to do, then I can go home. This outfit has 8 kitchens set up in semi trailers and that's what I've been taking care of since Wednesday! Incident Catering response. They have kitchens, showers, prep kitchens, bunk rooms, laundries set up to go to forest fires, NASCAR races, concerts, hurricanes, etc. Lots of fire suppression shit, in really bad places to service(in the trailers).

607 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:13:25am

re: #602 Kenneth

re: #603 VioletTiger
I smell the smelly smell of Senate/House special committees.

608 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:14:03am

re: #605 VioletTiger

kiss kiss -- they kiss both cheeks in Venezuela.

Which cheeks? :P

609 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:15:06am

re: #606 pingjockey

That reminds me of when I had to crawl around in the empty fuel/water tanks onboard the ship for QA, when we went through PSA. I never tore more coveralls during those 6 months than anytime else!

610 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:16:41am

And from spring snow land...

We are going to get anywhere from 3-5 to 10-20 inches of heavy wet snow here along the front range of Colorado, winter storm warning in effect until noon Sat.

The foothills and the mountains may get up to 3 feet of this wonderful global warming flakes.

Snowing heavy here in Golden, snow is just starting to stick to the grassy areas (it's been warm for the last few days).

Very good chance that we will have to cancel opening night of our new show, which premiers tonight.

A typical spring in Colorado.

And how are you all doing?

611 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:17:05am

re: #609 rightside
Oh yeah. Such a wonderful thing. I was stationed on an MSC ship and had to do the sign off on the retubbing/rebricking of the boiler. It had to have a regular navy sign it off and the MSC CO didn't trust the bubbleheads to inspect his boiler. That was fun, not!

612 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:18:00am

Nancy Piglosi says the Tea Parties are astroturf--led by the wealthiest people in America. Funny coming from the party owned and operated by George Soros.

613 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:18:24am

re: #610 Walter L. Newton
Just heard that on the news! We had a big storm 2 weeks ago, it's supposed to be pushing 80 here in central WA. Sunday, so I think our snow is done.

614 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:18:45am

re: #602 Kenneth

Tipping our hand to the enemy:

Obama releases Bush torture memos

That sound you hear is Al Qaeda's training manual being updated.

Thanks President Obama.

It's more of an ass-covering operation. Yesterday, the Administration also announced that no one would be prosecuted for their participation in any interrogations conducted using these techniques, and Leftwad head started exploding across the landscape. This morning, that story is long gone, and there is a big push on to shift the focus on to the Evil Bush Administration and their use of the dreaded Caterpillar Torture, or whatever it was. It's a distraction, meant to tranquilize the monkey cage that's in an uproar over their wet dreams of bringing War Crimes charges against former Bush Administration officials derailed.

I'm not sure that these memos reveal any important information, apart from the already widely known fact that when we catch you, we aren't going to be nice to you.

Frankly, I'm slightly amused at the idea that in all those aQ training camps this morning, the recruits are probably being covered in ants as part of their training.

615 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:19:20am

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

Sorry to hear that Walter. I bet you are all sick of snow by now.

616 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:19:21am

re: #612 VioletTiger
Hah! That coming from a women whose party has more millionaires in Congress than the repubs!

617 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:21:36am

Morning all.

618 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:21:54am

re: #605 VioletTiger

kiss kiss -- they kiss both cheeks in Venezuela.

I'd bet Hugo tastes like Cindy Sheehan. Or is it Sean Penn? What does vodka and Vicodin taste like?

/

619 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:22:06am

re: #616 pingjockey

What disgusts me is that a lot of them become millionaires as a direct result of their so-called 'public service.'

620 MJ  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:22:14am

re: #597 Alouette

J Street is NOT "pro" Israel. They are anti-Israel. Period.

Won't get any argument out of me.
Even worse than J-Street, is that Jew-hater M. J. Rosenberg at the mis-named Israel Policy Forum.

621 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:22:46am

re: #619 elevenbravo1969
Yep. You and me both. It is amazing how that happens. ///

622 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:23:15am

re: #594 JustMyView

Actually, what they are saying is that no meeting is planned, but a chance encounter may occur as they will both be at the Summit of the Americas meeting. That's a little different.

There is not such thing as a "chance" encounter with the President or the United States. Come on now.

623 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:23:33am

re: #612 VioletTiger

They simply don't want to believe that reality is real.

They simply don't want to believe that reality is not subject to a majority vote. (Or in Chicago, the manufactured illusion of a majority vote.)

624 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:24:12am

re: #615 VioletTiger

Sorry to hear that Walter. I bet you are all sick of snow by now.

Er no, Colorado lives for the winter tourist trade. And actually, along the front range here, it's been a very light snow winter.

If this storm plays out as they are predicting, it will probably be our biggest "dump" this season.

Now, as far as the Rocky Mountain areas, they have had a normal winter, good snowfalls, and decent ski business.

These wet heavy spring snows can be nasty, short but nasty. The moisture is from the gulf of Mexico (we call it an up slope storm, coming from the south), and because it is not super cold, it's real big wet flakes.

When that builds up on the roads, it's near impossible to drive in it. It's like driving through oatmeal, grabbing the tires and fighting against the car.

Best thing about these spring storms, snow melts in 24 hours or so, no trace of it.

625 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:24:49am

re: #622 Nevergiveup

True that!

626 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:25:08am

re: #614 SixDegrees

I'm still an advocate of using Yoko Ono audio CD's as an interrogation tool.

627 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:25:28am

I'm so sorry to see that Janet Napolitano's barber has apparently been stricken with some form of palsy.

628 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:25:57am

re: #624 Walter L. Newton
We call that spring snow "chiropractor snow". You shovel that wet heavy crap and have to go see the back doc!

629 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:26:22am

re: #626 The Other Les
That is truly evil. I like it.

630 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:26:31am

re: #626 The Other Les

I'm still an advocate of using Yoko Ono audio CD's as an interrogation tool.

That, or continuous-loop Urkel videos.

631 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:27:17am

re: #627 elevenbravo1969

I'm so sorry to see that Janet Napolitano's barber has apparently been stricken with some form of palsy.

Her haircut looks like my sisters. And that ain't no compliment. I don't talk to my moonbat liberal sister unless I have to. And she talks to me even less.

632 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:27:31am

re: #572 johnnyreb

Yeah, I've pretty much decided to ignore the screams from people who insist that the Tea Parties are kook-fests. It seems to be a small minority who has bought into the "Ron Paul/Fox News" meme (with much encouragement from Ron Paul and Fox News, of course). Everyone and their brother can claim ownership of the idea of public protests, but nobody who has been to one of these has seen anything like what has been predicted/described.

633 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:27:33am

Later folks, going to sample the 'continental breakfast'.

634 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:27:39am

re: #628 pingjockey

We call that spring snow "chiropractor snow". You shovel that wet heavy crap and have to go see the back doc!

Good point, yes, these spring (or early fall) storms are actually dangerous for some people shoveling. It is much heavier than a normal snow and shoveling it can be much more of a strain on someone's back (and heart) then they normally realize.

635 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:28:04am

re: #629 pingjockey

That is truly evil. I like it.

The really old ones. On the Apple Records label.

636 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:28:32am

re: #634 Walter L. Newton
Really high moisture contact. Good luck with the show Walter.
Y'all have a good day.

637 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:30:48am

re: #632 Lincolntf


I am looking forward to the one that is being planned for the 4th of July in DC. I have heard a few people talking about it. Not sure if it will go off as that is usually the biggest tourist weekend in DC. Not sure the police could handle it that weekend.

638 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:31:02am

Harvard’s Muslim Chaplain, defends death penalty for Apostasy in Islam, but encourages taqqaya when talking about it.

Taha Abdul-Basser’s email to a Muslim student on the legal principle in Islam on death for apostates.

Wa-iyyakum.

I am familiar with these types of discussions.

While I understand that will happen and that there is some benefit in them, in the main, it would be better if people were to withhold from debating such things, since they tend not to have the requisite familiarity with issues and competence to deal with them.

Debating about religious matter is impermissible, in general, and people rarely observe the etiquette of disagreements.

There are a few places on the Net where one can find informed discussions of this issue (Search “Abdul Hakim Murad”%P%Faraz Rabbani” AND “apostasy”) . The preponderant position in all of the 4 Sunni madhahib (and apparently others of the remaining eight according to one contemporary `alim) is that the verdict is capital punishment.

Of concern for us is that this can only occur in the domain and under supervision of Muslim governmental authority and can not be performed by non-state, private actors.

I would finally note that there is great wisdom (hikma) associated with the established and preserved position (capital punishment) and so, even if it makes some uncomfortable in the face of the hegemonic modern human rights discourse, one should not dismiss it out of hand.

And Allah knows best.

Beware "the hegemonic modern human rights discourse"... this Muslim imam insists "human rights" should not apply to Muslims.

639 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:31:18am

re: #624 Walter L. Newton
LOL, that's right. Here in NJ it's a nuisance. Not much ski potential.

640 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:33:32am

re: #627 elevenbravo1969

I'm so sorry to see that Janet Napolitano's barber has apparently been stricken with some form of palsy.

Didn't somebody say she is really Frank Lutz? ;)

641 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:33:45am
642 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:35:10am

re: #641 Iron Fist

San Fran Nan is, herself, one of those evil rich people. I think they should pass a confiscatory "stupid" tax just for her. Get her income down to where she can honestly claim to be just one of the proletariate. Something along the lines of 100% of everything she makes in excess of $40 K a year.

She'll just continue on hiding wealth in her husband's accounts, just like Dianne Feinstein funnels tax dollars to hers.

643 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:35:23am

re: #618 OldLineTexan

I'd bet Hugo tastes like Cindy Sheehan. Or is it Sean Penn? What does vodka and Vicodin taste like?

/

Liz Taylor?

644 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:35:55am

re: #637 johnnyreb

Dang, I'm not sure where I'll be on July 4th. I think I'll be at Cape Cod, which doesn't seem to be a likely spot for a Tea Party on a holiday weekend, but who knows?

645 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:36:01am

re: #643 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Liz Taylor?

OK, I stole the line. It was funny.

/

646 badger1970  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:37:06am

Finally, rain, rain and more rain to come here in central TX. Woo hoo.

Skimming through this morning, Beck is a publicity pimp. Believe it or not, the TX creationism issue is bad but I've seen and heard worse in other classrooms (mainly by far leftist female teachers) where they try to find ways of not teaching their class.

NYC is hosting the great pirate trial and the Yankees still suck (along with my fantasy bb team).

647 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:37:30am

re: #645 OldLineTexan

OK, I stole the line. It was funny.

/

"If this is anyone but Steve Allen, you're stealing my material!"
- Krusty the Klown

648 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:37:31am

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA


I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?

649 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:38:36am

Last update - 16:34 17/04/2009

Hamas: We will never recognize the enemy

By Reuters

Tags: Gaza, Israel News, Hamas


Two top Hamas leaders made their first appearances at public events since Israel's Gaza war on Friday, signaling defiance of rival Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as he discussed peace prospects with a U.S. envoy.

"We cannot, we will not, and we will never recognize the enemy in any way, shape or form," Mahmoud Zahar, one of the two leaders, said in a mosque sermon broadcast on the Islamist movement's radio station.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

No big news here. I mean for all intent and purposes neither does Fatah or even Egypt? But Obama and Mitchell want to put pressure on those evil Israelis.

650 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:39:24am

re: #614 SixDegrees

Frankly, I'm slightly amused at the idea that in all those aQ training camps this morning, the recruits are probably being covered in ants as part of their training.

That did make me laugh. There is a chance that many Americans will read what "harsh methods" the Bush admin finally did approve, and how few terrorists were actually subjected to it, and conclude, "Shit, that's not so bad." Maybe some good will come of it.

There are a lot of people who assume the US was running torture chambers for years, beating, whipping & burning thousands of victims. No Mr. Liberal, that would be North Korea, Iran, & Syria... you know, the countries Obama has promised to talk to "unconditionally".

651 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:39:24am

re: #648 Afrocity

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA

I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?

100% of the illegal aliens want Texas to stay in America that is why they came here.

652 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:45:28am

re: #651 Nevergiveup

As my great aunt Ruth was fond of saying, "If you ain't from texas, you ain't sh*t"

653 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:45:57am

re: #648 Afrocity

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA

I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?

There's no telling. It was 500 "likely voters", so make of that what you will.

Here's the actual poll. The numbers for Perry vs. Kay Bailey (favorable/unfavorable) are pretty interesting.

654 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:46:46am

re: #652 elevenbravo1969

As my great aunt Ruth was fond of saying, "If you ain't from texas, you ain't sh*t"

I'm from Joosey. What does that make me? How's that for a set up?

655 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:47:22am

What a shame that a prosecutor in Spain won't be allowed to file charges of torture against US officials from the Bush administration. But maybe they can deal with this instead:

Although officially illegal, torture in Spain continues to be used by police forces at various levels as a means to extract confessions or as punishment. Reported occurrences of torture usually involve people detained under anti-terrorist legislation, victims of the GAL, and immigrants, both asylum seekers and resident immigrants accused of common crimes or immigration offenses. However, the Spanish government categorically denies the existence of torture.

Spanish authorities consistently fail to implement recommendations by the Council of Europe's Committee for the Prevention of Torture and the UN Committee Against Torture to combat the use of torture in detention. The UN committee expressed its concern "about the length of judicial procedures and made reference to reports that indicated that five years had sometimes passed between crime and sentence. The Committee warned that this problem reduces the effect of penal action and discourages people to file complaints." It further indicated that "All members of the Committee were also deeply concerned about the legal practice of five days incommunicado detention." (since October 2003, a reform of the Criminal Procedure Code has extended that period to a maximum of 13 days).[57][58]

Hypocritical leftists with there "hegemonic modern human rights discourse" again.

656 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:47:49am

re: #652 elevenbravo1969

As my great aunt Ruth was fond of saying, "If you ain't from texas, you ain't sh*t"

Where are you from? I had an Aunt Ruth. She was a farmer's wife, salt of the earth.

657 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:48:10am
658 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:48:32am

re: #654 Nevergiveup

If Mississippi wore a New Jersey, what would Delaware?

659 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:48:41am

re: #649 Nevergiveup

Last update - 16:34 17/04/2009

Hamas: We will never recognize the enemy

By Reuters

Tags: Gaza, Israel News, Hamas

Two top Hamas leaders made their first appearances at public events since Israel's Gaza war on Friday, signaling defiance of rival Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as he discussed peace prospects with a U.S. envoy.

"We cannot, we will not, and we will never recognize the enemy in any way, shape or form," Mahmoud Zahar, one of the two leaders, said in a mosque sermon broadcast on the Islamist movement's radio station.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

No big news here. I mean for all intent and purposes neither does Fatah or even Egypt? But Obama and Mitchell want to put pressure on those evil Israelis.

Two top terrorists stick head out of undisclosed location; sixty more years of conflict expected. /see it IS Groundhog Day.

660 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:48:53am

Pirate Bay four jailed for breaking copyright in Swedish file-sharing trial
The founders of file-sharing website The Pirate Bay have been sentenced to a year in jail in Sweden for breaking copyright laws by helping millions of users download music, movies and computer games for free.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

But they let them smoke dope on the street over there? Or is that another EU paradise?

661 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:49:29am

re: #648 Afrocity

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA


I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?

Ha! Good one Afrocity.

662 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:49:48am

Good news/bad news...

Good news: CIA folks will not be prosecuted for their supposed acts of torture...

Bad News: Obama Justice Department released memos detailing successful interrogation techniques...

We're so fucked.

663 badger1970  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:50:02am

re: #651 Nevergiveup

To find that out ask if Texas should join Mexico.

664 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:50:14am

re: #564 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot.

I'm gonna' be taking a close look at Brooks today.

I wondered if her parents named her after Rosa Luxumberg.

This is what I found about her mother, Barbara at Wiki:

Ehrenreich was born Barbara Alexander to Isabelle Oxley and Ben Alexander. Her father was a copper miner who went on to study at Carnegie Mellon University and who eventually became an executive at the Gillette Corporation. Ehrenreich studied physics at Reed College, graduating in 1963. Her senior thesis was entitled Electrochemical oscillations of the silicon anode. In 1968, she received a Ph.D in Cell biology from Rockefeller University.

Citing her interest in social change,[1] she opted for political activism instead of pursuing a scientific career. She met her first husband, John Ehrenreich, during an anti-war activism campaign in New York City.

In 1970, her first child, Rosa (now Rosa Brooks), was born. Her second child, Benjamin, was born in 1972. Barbara and John divorced and in 1983 she married Gary Stevenson, a warehouse employee who later became a union organizer. She divorced Stevenson in the early 1990s.

From 1991 to 1997, Ehrenreich was a regular columnist for Time magazine. Currently, she contributes regularly to The Progressive. Ehrenreich has also written for the New York Times, Mother Jones, The Atlantic Monthly, Ms, The New Republic, Z Magazine, In These Times, Salon.com, and other publications.

In 1998, the American Humanist Association named her the Humanist of the Year.

In 1998 and 2000, she taught essay writing at the Graduate School of Journalism at the University of California, Berkeley.

So far, Brooks looks like another red-diaper baby.

665 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:50:16am

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

666 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:51:41am

re: #657 Iron Fist

... When it comes down to brass tacks, the Leftists aren't real big on things like personal courage...

They aren't even big on what they recommend for everyone else. I have never met a true lefty that can do anything but tell me how I would benefit from their ideas, even while at the very same time, there is no evidence that the person him/her self has taken their own advice.

667 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:52:06am

re: #504 Nevergiveup

My friend wanted me to meet him there. He really wanted to go. So it was interesting?

it was a really enthusiastic friendly crowd. way more people than they expected. the barricades extended for 2 city blocks, from barclay st. north.
and people were packed in like sardines.
i only got a spot, across bdway in front of the woolworth bldg. i could see the stage but busses kept blocking the way.

there were lots of american flags waving and great signs,
"spread my work ethic NOT my wealth"
i didn't see any creeps. none.
the momentum of the crowd was so pro-america.
i really enjoyed the drunk guy near me who kept hollering:
"i want my country back"
the cop i talked to said the crowd was 1500, during the actual rally.
but that people had been coming and going all day.
i.m really glad i went. it was encouraging to be in the company of so
many people who unabashedly love their country.
no one was apologizing for anything.

668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:52:38am

re: #658 elevenbravo1969

If Mississippi wore a New Jersey, what would Delaware?

Idaho. Alaska.

669 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #648 Afrocity

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA


I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?

ROTFLMAO. 50% is my guess.

670 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:53:10am

re: #667 nyc redneck

Next time.

671 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:53:17am

re: #656 Ward Cleaver

re: #668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

ding ding ding...

672 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:53:45am

re: #663 badger1970

To find that out ask if Texas should join Mexico.

Hell, I wish we in Texas could have Mexico. Then we could clean the place up.

673 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:54:11am

re: #663 badger1970

To find that out ask if Texas should rejoin Mexico.

Just to be fair.

674 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:54:22am

re: #662 tfc3rid

Good news/bad news...

Good news: CIA folks will not be prosecuted for their supposed acts of torture...

Bad News: Obama Justice Department released memos detailing successful interrogation techniques...

We're so fucked.

Beyond stupid. Why the hell would they think that was a good idea? The idiots are in charge.

675 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:55:01am

Good morning.

Ready for the next investment bubble?

Guns and ammo! From the Wall Street Journal:

Fear and Greed Have Sales of Guns and Ammo Shooting Up

But it's also clear that part of the gun-buying rally is driven by people like Mr. Chambers who are buying weapons the way others invest in a hot stock. The buying is pumping up prices. Many popular models of guns are back-ordered for a year or more. Some manufacturers are operating plants 24 hours a day. According to the 2009 edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values, the average price of European-made AK-47s -- the famous Soviet-era military weapon now made in several countries -- doubled from $350 last September to more than $700 by the end of 2008.

So, once the gun bubble bursts (they all do, eventually), I suppose we'll have to push for another TARP (Troubled Ammo Relief Program), as well as a hefty bailout package for gun investors.

676 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:55:05am

re: #665 Kenneth

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

I hear they break out in song and dance to La Cuearacha in the middle of a murder scene.//

677 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:55:24am

re: #672 Ward Cleaver

Hell, I wish we in Texas could have Mexico. Then we could clean the place up.

Once they all get HERE, I am going THERE. And I will be KING of MEXICO THE EMPTY COUNTRY. You want a margarita on a beach with an iguana? Better show some respect.

678 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:55:42am

re: #665 Kenneth

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

And it will be a cold day in Hell before someone does a musical about Ayn Rand.

679 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:55:46am

re: #674 VioletTiger

I can't wait to see the spit flying out of Matthews' mouth tonight on this one.

680 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:56:02am
681 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:56:19am

re: #657 Iron Fist

I have honestly been surprised that we haven't seen more Left-wing violence. There has been some (i.e. shots fired at Republican headquarters here in Knoxville), but it hasn't had the scope or scale that i feared. I was honestly afraid that we were going to see a Leftist 'Splodeydope by now, as they adopted the tactics of what is, after all, their side in the conflict over Israel. I was wrong. The only 'Splodeydope we've had (so far at least) was a typical Mohammedan youth.

When it comes down to brass tacks, the Leftists aren't real big on things like personal courage. It's real easy for them to talk about killing a few million people, but actually doing something about it, especially in a society like ours where the average person is armed, is a different story.

A lot of their favored tools - notably explosives - are tightly controlled here. I remember not all that long ago you could buy dynamite at most hardware stores in rural areas; it was popular for removing stumps and breaking up small boulders. You had to sign for it, but it wasn't hard to come by. And you could buy ammonium nitrate in fifty pound bags to fertilize your lawn with. Nowadays, you can't buy even a five pound quantity without signing your life away and being added to watch lists if you make a habit of it.

I don't really have a problem with any of this, just pointing out that elsewhere, it's way easier to get hold of items like this, along with stuff that's even more serious. We may be target rich, but we're weapons poor in the bomb making department.

682 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:56:44am

re: #675 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Ready for the next investment bubble?

Guns and ammo! From the Wall Street Journal:

Fear and Greed Have Sales of Guns and Ammo Shooting Up


So, once the gun bubble bursts (they all do, eventually), I suppose we'll have to push for another TARP (Troubled Ammo Relief Program), as well as a hefty bailout package for gun investors.

No need. The Dems will re-institute the AWB once the economy has finished tanking, the media has already prepared the way. Prices will be supported.

683 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:57:24am

re: #648 Afrocity

Drudge Says:

POLL: 75% OF TEXANS WOULD VOTE TO STAY IN USA


I wonder what percentage of the people polled are illegal aliens?


On this whole Texas succession issue:

First it is all a ploy by Great Hair Perry in that he is going to get his ass handed to him by Kay Bailey Hutchenson in the Republican primary.

Second, Texas does NOT have a legal right to succeed. When Texas joined the US it was by treaty. The treaty specifies that Texas can separate into five distinct states without permission of the federal goverment. However there is no automatic right of succession given. What is equally interesting is that by the same treaty, the Federal government is actually forbidden to own land in Texas. This is why, for example, when off-shore oil leases are auctioned, in Texas they are done by the state while everywhere else, the federal government. It also means that all military bases in Texas are leased by the Federal government. It is also why there cannot be National Parks set up by Washington in Texas without Texas's permission.

684 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:57:36am

re: #667 nyc redneck

It's good to hear so many encouraging reports from the Tea Parties. Even our local newspaper 'hid' the report way in the back of the paper. The more they try to hide the numbers and pretend it was a bunch of raving maniacs, the more they expose their liberal bias.

685 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:57:59am

re: #665 Kenneth

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

I can't get "Springtime For Hitler" out of my mind now.

686 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:58:12am

re: #678 The Other Les

And it will be a cold day in Hell before someone does a musical about Ayn Rand.

Honestly, Che is a little more theatrical of a subject than Rand. Like him or hate him, he has that romantic aura about him. Hell, would have anyone thought that a musical about Eva Peron ever go anywhere.

I'm talking about as a purely theatre business model, Che gets it hands down over Ann.

687 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:58:44am

re: #564 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot.

I'm gonna' be taking a close look at Brooks today.

Rosa Brooks has worked as a senior adviser to Assistant Secretary Harold Hongju Koh, FCBBHO's pick to be the senior attorney for State who advocates bringing U.S. law into line with international law.

And liberal New Republic legal affairs editor Jeffrey Rosen noted in 2004 that Koh "has supported the idea that U.S. courts should expansively apply international legal precedents without the authorization of the president and Congress."[26]

Koh's writings on "transnationalism" have drawn particular criticism since his nomination.[27] Koh favors a "transnationalist" jurisprudence over a merely "nationalist" jurisprudence; transnationalist jurists, he argues, are those who do not "distinguish sharply between the relevance of foreign and international law" since a new "transnational law" is emerging that "merges the national and the international."[28]

Conservative legal analyst Ed Whelan has published a survey of Koh's thinking on transnationalism, relying on passages from Koh's own articles to show how his views depart from mainstream thinking on international law.[27] "At bottom," Whelan writes, Koh's transnationalism is "all about is depriving American citizens of their powers of representative government by selectively imposing on them the favored policies of Europe's leftist elites."[29] Whelan and other critics argue that implementing Koh's views may erode "cherished constitutional rights,"[30][31] may result in the "invention of new rights" by judicial fiat,[30] and may culminate in a subordination of American political and legislative processes to an unelected international elite of academics, nongovernmental organizations, and jurists.[32]

SNIP

688 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:59:09am

Tea Party Video : Local Activist Katrina Pierson Hammers Washington from Dallas

An excellent speech by a woman who knows what she's talking about. Teleprompter free.

689 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:00:15am

So my company has flown our President & an expert consultant in from Britain to host a luncheon meeting at a private club here in Philadelphia. The reason? Find ways to save the company money. Where to begin, where to begin?
/

690 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:00:21am

re: #688 Kenneth

Good call. Nobody who spoke at my local used a teleprompter, either. Hadn't thought of that. Very articulate people, on the whole.

691 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:01:08am

re: #662 tfc3rid

Good news/bad news...

Good news: CIA folks will not be prosecuted for their supposed acts of torture...

Bad News: Obama Justice Department released memos detailing successful interrogation techniques...

We're so fucked.

Former DCI Michael Hayden is right - after releasing those documents, what other country will trust us?

692 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:01:12am

re: #678 The Other Les

And it will be a cold day in Hell before someone does a musical about Ayn Rand.

There's an opera about Richard Nixon.

693 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:02:37am

re: #691 Ward Cleaver

Former DCI Michael Hayden is right - after releasing those documents, what other country will trust us?

Heard Hayden this morning on Fox News, along with Michael Chertoff... They were both very unhappy about this development...

This is a political thing for the Justice Department. They could care less about the War on Terror.

694 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:02:58am

re: #665 Kenneth

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

Got an AK right here
the mag is full, my dear
And if my pal Fidel
gives me an "all clear"
Kill you
Kill you
"Class enemies", I'm gonna
kill you


/apologies to "Guys & Dolls"

695 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:03:10am

Well, it appears that veterans have been having the once over from the FBI more recently than we may have expected...

Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe

" The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices."

Nice to know that our returning vets are being so well thought of...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

696 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:03:32am

re: #686 Walter L. Newton

Honestly, Che is a little more theatrical of a subject than Rand. Like him or hate him, he has that romantic aura about him. Hell, would have anyone thought that a musical about Eva Peron ever go anywhere.

I'm talking about as a purely theatre business model, Che gets it hands down over Ann.

In my incomplete screenplay for a scifi film I have one character ask another if he would like to see the latest version of Ayn Rand Superstar.

697 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:04:44am

re: #687 MandyManners

She is very far left. I can't believe that hardly anyone is picking up on this. Bad news.

698 rightside  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:04:58am

re: #687 MandyManners

Ed Morrisey covered Koh here, citing Ed Whalens piece from National Review.

699 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:05:46am

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

700 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:06:02am

Good morning y'all from a coolish (51 degrees going up to 72 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope everyone is doing well today!

701 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:06:37am

Koh's active in the American Constitution Society.

ACS operates on a yearly budget of several million dollars, a portion of which is used to publish a journal and to organize working groups that produce white papers on various topics related to the law. Several foundations have contributed large sums of money to ACS, most notably the Streisand Foundation, the Deer Creek Foundation, the Ford Foundation, George Soros' Open Society Institute, the Overbrook Foundation, and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation.

ACS

While condemning what it calls "judicial activism" by conservative judges, ACS in fact encourages judicial activism by the left. To cultivate such a spirit, the organization has initiated a working group under the heading "Constitutional Interpretation and Change," which seeks to "debunk" the "neutral-sounding theories of … originalism and strict construction" that "ideological conservatives" purportedly have used to smear "judges with whom they disagree as judicial activists who make up law instead of interpreting it." This working group is part of ACS's "The Constitution in the 21st Century" project, which aims "to promote positive, much-needed change in our legal and policy landscape," "to formulate and advance a progressive vision of our Constitution and laws," and "to popularize progressive ideas through papers, conferences and media outreach."

SNIP

702 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:06:49am

re: #665 Kenneth

Che the Musical!

“The play seeks to rescue Che’s image from the banal,” says the director.

Because it’s never enough to idolize a mass murderer son of a bitch. You must also set him to song and dance.

Max Bialystock should produce it.

703 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:07:33am

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

Well, it appears that veterans have been having the once over from the FBI more recently than we may have expected...

Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe

" The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices."

Nice to know that our returning vets are being so well thought of...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

It's just like after Vietnam - veterans are portrayed alternately as either baby killers, or victims (psychological basket cases).

704 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:07:43am

Full-on assault on the Constitution.

705 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:07:44am

re: #701 MandyManners

Constitutional Interpretation and Change

Not an acceptable combination IMO.

706 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:08:41am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

Possible good news... or, possibly a setup for a multi-decade shakedown of the US, "give us more aid or we'll go back on our deal", a la North Korea. My money's on the latter.

707 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:08:48am

re: #701 MandyManners

Koh's active in the American Constitution Society.

ACS operates on a yearly budget of several million dollars, a portion of which is used to publish a journal and to organize working groups that produce white papers on various topics related to the law. Several foundations have contributed large sums of money to ACS, most notably the Streisand Foundation, the Deer Creek Foundation, the Ford Foundation, George Soros' Open Society Institute, the Overbrook Foundation, and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation.

ACS

While condemning what it calls "judicial activism" by conservative judges, ACS in fact encourages judicial activism by the left. To cultivate such a spirit, the organization has initiated a working group under the heading "Constitutional Interpretation and Change," which seeks to "debunk" the "neutral-sounding theories of … originalism and strict construction" that "ideological conservatives" purportedly have used to smear "judges with whom they disagree as judicial activists who make up law instead of interpreting it." This working group is part of ACS's "The Constitution in the 21st Century" project, which aims "to promote positive, much-needed change in our legal and policy landscape," "to formulate and advance a progressive vision of our Constitution and laws," and "to popularize progressive ideas through papers, conferences and media outreach."

SNIP

IOW, commies.

708 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:09:07am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.


What's to discuss? I thought Cuba was great! Michael Moore said so./

709 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:09:26am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

Reparations for Cuba!

710 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:09:26am

Zonation Rant: Head In Butt

Better than a double espresso to get you up and roaring!

711 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:09:58am

re: #662 tfc3rid

Good news/bad news...

Good news: CIA folks will not be prosecuted for their supposed acts of torture...

Bad News: Obama Justice Department released memos detailing successful interrogation techniques...

We're so fucked.

When D.C. becomes a flaming pile, we'll know exactly where to put the blame.

712 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:09:59am

re: #708 KenJen

What's to discuss? I thought Cuba was great! Michael Moore said so./

Michael Moore is a pimple on the ass of America, a very large and fat one.

713 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:10:01am

re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Good morning Walter - thanks for that. The level of insanity it would take to come up with that warning about Vets is one which even I will never reach!
Geez, as if it's not hard enough to return to "civilian life" after being in combat (or a combat zone), now the FBI - under Attorney General Holder- is making it more difficult.
Pieces of Shit, that's what Holder and the FBI are for this STUPID memo.

714 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:10:07am

re: #681 SixDegrees

A lot of their favored tools - notably explosives - are tightly controlled here. I remember not all that long ago you could buy dynamite at most hardware stores in rural areas; it was popular for removing stumps and breaking up small boulders. You had to sign for it, but it wasn't hard to come by. And you could buy ammonium nitrate in fifty pound bags to fertilize your lawn with. Nowadays, you can't buy even a five pound quantity without signing your life away and being added to watch lists if you make a habit of it.

I don't really have a problem with any of this, just pointing out that elsewhere, it's way easier to get hold of items like this, along with stuff that's even more serious. We may be target rich, but we're weapons poor in the bomb making department.

But if you're a country that threatens another country all the time, you can get materials to make nuclear weapons, if you don't mind an occasional strongly worded letter.

715 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:10:11am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

And now, aside from what you are reading, or what your talking points are for today, do YOU think that the Cuban government would really be interested in REAL human rights changes, REAL freedom of the press, any of the rights we take for granted?

716 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:10:12am

re: #702 Kosh's Shadow

Max Bialystock should produce it.

Springtime!
For Castro!
And Communism!

Cuba, is happy, and gay!

Do I have to go on?

717 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:10:29am

re: #699 avanti

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared

A declaration made by the head of the Cuban Communisty Party, at a meeting hosted by Hugo Chavez... what could possibly go wrong?

718 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:11:17am
719 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:11:35am

re: #704 MandyManners

Good research. Excellent series of posts, Mandy.

720 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:11:58am

re: #704 MandyManners

Full-on assault on the Constitution.

And she will have a huge say in writing foreign policy and our relation to the UN, iirc.

721 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #690 Lincolntf

Good call. Nobody who spoke at my local used a teleprompter, either. Hadn't thought of that. Very articulate people, on the whole.

and these speakers have real thoughts and true emotions in their hearts.
they don't need teleprompters to express themselves or deceive the public.
they speak real words and sentences that have meaning, that they want to communicate,
i have never heard o speak from his heart.
except when he slips up and lets us glimpse who he really is.

722 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:12:44am

re: #716 The Other Les

Cuba, is happy, and gay!


SShhh! You're not supposed to say that. (See, e.g., Before Night Falls)

723 outsidephilly  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:18am

re: #700 realwest

(((realwest)))
I am so very happy to ‘hear’ about your good news!

724 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:36am

re: #702 Kosh's Shadow

Max Bialystock should produce it.

Sorry, he's busy working on "She Schtups To Conquer".

725 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:40am

re: #700 realwest

Doing well, real. How are things down in Carolina?

726 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:49am

re: #706 Occasional Reader

One thing that might work in our favor is that instead of the usual routine of exchanging massive amounts of aid/trade for tediously slow incremental changes in places that Americans will never see, Americans might actually go to Cuba. I loathe Cuba and Castro, but with just a few years of contact with Americans hopefully being included (investing) in the "new deal", the Cuban people could hopefully shake off their Communist torpor and actually become something again.

727 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:55am

ACS at DTN:

ACS's "Criminal Justice" working group produces and disseminates reports founded on the premise that "racial inequality permeates the [justice] system from arrest through sentencing." A noteworthy co-chair of this project is Professor David Cole, a staff attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) who has defended such abetters of Islamic terrorism as the radical attorney Lynne Stewart and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative Sami Al-Arian.

SNIP

Through its "International Law and the Constitution" working group, ACS disparages American law as antiquated and inequitable, and calls on judges to make American jurisprudence subservient to United Nations treaties and European Court of Human Rights decisions. Co-chairing this group are Jamil Dakwar, a former Human Rights Watch staffer who currently directs the ACLU's Human Rights Program; Catherine Powell, a Board member of Human Rights Watch; and Cindy Soohoo, Director of the Center for Reproductive Rights' Domestic Legal Program.

With an eye toward cultivating ever-new generations of leftists in the future, ACS has developed a "Constitution in the Classroom" program whereby volunteers, under the banner of "education," indoctrinate young students across the United States.

In June 2008, ACS Board of Advisors member Eric Holder, whom president-elect Barack Obama would name as his top choice for Attorney General five months later, spoke at an ACS convention. Predicting an Obama victory in the November election, Holder told his audience that the U.S. would soon be "run by progressives." "With this new administration that will be taking its place in January of 2009," he elaborated, "… we are going to be looking for people who share our values." A "substantial number of those people" were likely to be ACS members, added Holder.

SNIP

A December 11, 2008 New York Times piece reported: "[O]bservers expect that the Obama team will turn to [ACS] members to fill subcabinet positions and judgeships." By that time, a number of major ACS figures already had secured positions in the forthcoming Obama administration:

Executive Director Lisa Brown had been named as Obama's White House Staff Secretary. In the 1990s, Brown served as an Attorney Advisor in the Clinton Justice Department and as Counsel to Vice President Al Gore.

ACS Board of Directors member Goodwin Liu (also a Board member of the ACLU's Northern California chapter) had been named to the Obama-Biden transition team.

Joining Liu on the transition team was another ACS Board of Directors member, Dawn Johnsen, who had spent five years in the Clinton Justice Department, five years as Legal Director of NARAL, and one year as a Staff Counsel Fellow for the ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project.

Former ACS staffer Melody Barnes had been selected to direct the Obama administration's Domestic Policy Council. Barnes previously had served as Executive Vice President for Policy at the Center for American Progress, and as Chief Counsel to Senator Ted Kennedy on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Former ACS Board member Ronald Klain had been named chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden. In 1993 Klain directed the judicial selection process that resulted in the confirmation of Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the Supreme Court. The following year, Klain became chief of staff and Counselor to Attorney General Janet Reno, and in 1995 he became Assistant to President Bill Clinton and chief of staff to Vice President Al Gore.

728 John  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:13:56am

I'd like to know what General Electric and General Motors expect to receive with this so-called "high-speed rail" plan. They both make electromotive engines. Coincidence?

729 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:14:09am
730 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:14:13am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

Maybe Raul just wants to give 0bama advice on how to reduce our rights, control the press (not that they aren't already 0bama's lapdogs), and how to deal with political prisoners.

731 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:14:57am

re: #728 John

I'd like to know what General Electric and General Motors expect to receive with this so-called "high-speed rail" plan. They both make electromotive engines. Coincidence?

Selling lots of locomotives and railcars to the government?

732 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:15:01am

re: #706 Occasional Reader

Possible good news... or, possibly a setup for a multi-decade shakedown of the US, "give us more aid or we'll go back on our deal", a la North Korea. My money's on the latter.

The analysis from Fox was that the Cuban economy was in bad shape and the Castro brothers see a opening and are willing to make a deal to open up trade. I've seldom seen a more ass kissing move from the Cubans to discuss "everything". I'd hope we'd start with the releasing the political prisoners.

733 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #689 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So my company has flown our President & an expert consultant in from Britain to host a luncheon meeting at a private club here in Philadelphia. The reason? Find ways to save the company money. Where to begin, where to begin?
/

If he has an English accent, he must be really smart!

734 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:15:26am

re: #704 MandyManners

Full-on assault on the Constitution.

Don't worry Mandy, the U.S. will be completely bankrupt before the Constitution gets destroyed.

/Sarc?

735 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:15:52am
736 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:01am

re: #703 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward! Hope all is well in the Cleaver household this morning!
And you're right but there's one still missing ingredient: when we came back from Vietnam (in stages over 11 years) we found ourselves being portrayed in a LOT of popular "cop" or Private Detective series, as being DOPERS and KILLERS who just couldn't wait to climb up on the roof of a building and start shooting people "just for fun".
If that ever starts to happen, then the Afghan and Iraq vets will be facing what we faced: a recession and a public conditioned to think of us as dangerous to even be around.
Next will be blaming the vets for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

737 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:04am

re: #713 realwest

Good morning Walter - thanks for that. The level of insanity it would take to come up with that warning about Vets is one which even I will never reach!
Geez, as if it's not hard enough to return to "civilian life" after being in combat (or a combat zone), now the FBI - under Attorney General Holder- is making it more difficult.
Pieces of Shit, that's what Holder and the FBI are for this STUPID memo.

And this is not just a DHS memo that got leaked right before the tea parties we are talking about. This is basically a warning order from FBI headquarters to all field offices to look out for returning vets.

I was commenting at work the other day that for the first time since Viet Nam, most of our military are combat vets. Heck even the Navy has over 17,000 people boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. This has got to be some of the reason for all this madness about combat vets. People in the upper levels of government are getting scared.

738 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:09am

Rosa Brooks is not listed in DTN yet. I hope the owners there add her soon.

739 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:19am

re: #730 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe Raul just wants to give 0bama advice on how to reduce our rights, control the press (not that they aren't already 0bama's lapdogs), and how to deal with political prisoners.

Maybe the Castro Brothers will rent us space to be used to house U.S. political prisoners.

740 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:53am

re: #727 MandyManners

I think it may be (yet again) a prime moment for your patented "I hope everyone who decided not to vote for McCain" reminder.

741 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:58am
742 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:16:59am

re: #739 Ward Cleaver

Maybe the Castro Brothers will rent us space to be used to house U.S. political prisoners.

Don't we lease Gitmo now, anyway?

743 outsidephilly  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:17:46am

re: #727 MandyManners


Thank you, Mandy, for taking the time to share all this info!

744 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:18:09am

re: #736 realwest

Good morning Ward! Hope all is well in the Cleaver household this morning!
And you're right but there's one still missing ingredient: when we came back from Vietnam (in stages over 11 years) we found ourselves being portrayed in a LOT of popular "cop" or Private Detective series, as being DOPERS and KILLERS who just couldn't wait to climb up on the roof of a building and start shooting people "just for fun".
If that ever starts to happen, then the Afghan and Iraq vets will be facing what we faced: a recession and a public conditioned to think of us as dangerous to even be around.
Next will be blaming the vets for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Reading Jug Burkett's book, Stolen Valor, just made me shake my head. Unbelievable. All the bullshit that Vietnam vets have had to put up with.

745 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:18:38am

re: #715 Walter L. Newton

And now, aside from what you are reading, or what your talking points are for today, do YOU think that the Cuban government would really be interested in REAL human rights changes, REAL freedom of the press, any of the rights we take for granted?

Walter, all I know is they want to talk, they are setting no conditions and with everything on the table, how could that be bad news. We opened up with China starting with ping pong as I recall. Like I said, "it could" be good news, no harm in pursuing talks.

746 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:18:44am
747 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:18:47am

re: #742 acwgusa

Don't we lease Gitmo now, anyway?

Yeah, but Obama would need a lot more space than that.

748 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:19:12am

The New Haven Tea Party got coverage in the local independent blog. It took exactly one comment for the thread to descend into the swamp of racism.

749 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:19:22am

re: #723 outsidephilly
Ah well {outsidephilly} no happier than I am to report it!
Thanks for the prayers/good wishes, they did help!

750 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:19:39am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

why is this good news?

751 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:19:52am
752 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:20:43am

Ok, now the roads in front of my apartment are starting to get sloppy. One this snow starts sticking to the roads, it's all downhill from there. They are still talking about 10-24 inches in the Denver area, depending on the location. Most snow should be west metro and south metro. Storm should pull out about noon Sat.

753 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:20:53am

re: #725 VioletTiger
Things are fine down here - a tad chilly inside (they never heard of insulation when these apartments were built so whatever the temp is outside it's close to that temp inside!) but otherwise just fine, thanks!
How are you doing?

754 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:20:58am

re: #738 MandyManners

Rosa Brooks is not listed in DTN yet. I hope the owners there add her soon.

Look, say what you will about her, she was very brave for refusing to give up her seat on that bus in Montgomery, Alabama.

/

755 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:21:12am
756 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:21:13am

re: #711 acwgusa

When D.C. becomes a flaming pile, we'll know exactly where to put the blame.

And how many poeple will say 'We never saw it coming...' It will be George Bush's fault, of course.

757 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:21:16am

re: #748 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The New Haven Tea Party got coverage in the local independent blog. It took exactly one comment for the thread to descend into the swamp of racism.

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

758 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:21:18am

re: #747 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, but Obama would need a lot more space than that.

No one's using Wyoming, as far as I know.

/Ducks incoming fire from Wyoming Citizenry.

759 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #750 Afrocity

why is this good news?

Agreed...I can't imagine anything we gain by talks with Cuba. They are not a credible threat. They don't have the economy to stir up shit in Latin American like they used to.

760 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:22:02am

re: #742 acwgusa

Don't we lease Gitmo now, anyway?

Yes but Castro hasn't cashed a check since he cut the base off.

761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:22:20am

re: #757 Afrocity

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

So if we get married, does that mean I won't have to pay taxes?
/

762 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:22:22am

re: #400 Scorch

It's too bad we quit subsidizing the rail industry back in the 70's. We could of shipped so much more for much less compared to the millions of trucks we are currently using. Lot less dollars spent on maintaining our highway system also.

WTF are you talking about? The US ships four times as much freight by rail as the entire EU. Most the truck freight is from the rail yard to the destination, not long hauls across the country.

763 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:22:31am

re: #745 avanti

Walter, all I know is they want to talk, they are setting no conditions and with everything on the table, how could that be bad news. We opened up with China starting with ping pong as I recall. Like I said, "it could" be good news, no harm in pursuing talks.

Look what the China deal has gotten us - lead-painted toys, toxic drywall, tainted pet food, baby formula with melamine, cheap junk that has cratered our manufacturing sector, Tienanmen Square, and a China that still threatens to overrun Taiwan. Yeah, that's been a helluva deal.

764 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:23:25am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So if we get married, does that mean I won't have to pay taxes?
/

Hell we don't have to get married, just be my baby's daddy./

765 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:23:45am

re: #742 acwgusa

Don't we lease Gitmo now, anyway?

Yes, we've sent a check to Castro every year since 1959 and he never cashed them. $5000 a year as I recall.

766 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:04am

re: #728 John

I'd like to know what General Electric and General Motors expect to receive with this so-called "high-speed rail" plan. They both make electromotive engines. Coincidence?

The one high-speed line in the US uses equipment from a joint venture of Bombardier (Canada) and, IIRC, Alsthom (France).
I believe GE is the only manufacturer of electric locomotives in the US, and no one has a high-speed diesel.
This is one reason high-speed lines are so expensive - they need to be electrified.

767 outsidephilly  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:05am

re: #752 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now the roads in front of my apartment are starting to get sloppy. One this snow starts sticking to the roads, it's all downhill from there. They are still talking about 10-24 inches in the Denver area, depending on the location. Most snow should be west metro and south metro. Storm should pull out about noon Sat.


WOW, slippery/snowy roads . . . , are you able to just sit and watch the snowflakes fall?

768 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:16am

re: #764 Afrocity

Hell we don't have to get married, just be my baby's daddy./

Yowza.

769 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:31am

re: #765 avanti

Yes, we've sent a check to Castro every year since 1959 and he never cashed them. $5000 a year as I recall.

Castro! Be a hypocrite, dammit! Cash those checks and feed your people!

770 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:39am

re: #732 avanti

The analysis from Fox was that the Cuban economy was in bad shape and the Castro brothers see a opening and are willing to make a deal to open up trade. I've seldom seen a more ass kissing move from the Cubans to discuss "everything". I'd hope we'd start with the releasing the political prisoners.

The Cuban economy has sucked for decades and has been propped up only through the largesse of their backer, the Soviets. When that money dried up, so did what little their economy already had.

Also note that the Cuban economy doesn't have an embargo against it from the Europeans or Canadians or much of Latin America. In other words, they could do alright for themselves if they didn't have a bunch of raving socialists running the show.

They have no one to blame but themselves. But the US is the bogeyman because we didn't want to deal with socialist thugs who repress the rights of all Cubans?

Here's the deal that the US should accept - both Castros give themselves up for trial by Cubans who have had their rights repressed for decades and who took political prisoners because they opposed the regime. No deal unless Castros both exit stage left. Permanently.

771 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:24:40am

re: #765 avanti

Avanti will you post on my blog? (nic is blue)
I could use a pet liberal.

772 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:25:32am

re: #765 avanti

Yes, we've sent a check to Castro every year since 1959 and he never cashed them. $5000 a year as I recall.

Now there's a bit of strange Cold War irony.

773 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:25:33am

re: #771 Afrocity

Avanti will you post on my blog? (nic is blue)
I could use a pet liberal.

what's your blog link?

774 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:25:56am

re: #699 avanti

Some possible good news from Cuba:

Speaking from a meeting Chavez hosted in Venezuela, Raul Castro declared: "We have sent word to the U.S. government in private and in public that we are willing to discuss everything — human rights, freedom of the press, political prisoners, everything."

Cuba.

human rights = Gitmo
freedom of the press = Gitmo
political prisoners = Gitmo

They are willing to accept Obama's apologies in the same spirit as Europe did.

775 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:26:16am
776 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:26:19am

re: #773 Big Steve

click on my name

777 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:27:16am

re: #755 taxfreekiller

Niall Ferguson called the partnership "Chimerica".

778 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:27:29am
779 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:27:37am

re: #764 Afrocity

Hell we don't have to get married, just be my baby's daddy./

{Booking flight to Chicago}

780 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:27:52am

re: #776 Afrocity

click on my name


got it thanks and bookmarked it

781 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:28:02am

re: #750 Afrocity

why is this good news?

You know, possible trade with Cuba, and getting prisoners released, freedom of the press, maybe moving away from Communist rule at some point. Raul Castro just reached out, time to see what he's willing to offer.

782 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

The one high-speed line in the US uses equipment from a joint venture of Bombardier (Canada) and, IIRC, Alsthom (France).
I believe GE is the only manufacturer of electric locomotives in the US, and no one has a high-speed diesel.
This is one reason high-speed lines are so expensive - they need to be electrified.

After 0bama gets his cap and trade plan enacted it will be cheaper to fly than to take an electrified train.

783 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:00am

re: #767 outsidephilly

WOW, slippery/snowy roads . . . , are you able to just sit and watch the snowflakes fall?

Yep. And since I work in live theatre, most of my day start later, so I don't put up with rush hour (and I only live 2 miles from the theatre).

But, we open a new show tonight, but it wouldn't surprise me that we have to cancel tonight. First off, we have a cast of 9 actors in this show, some live up the hill in the Rockies, where they have already had over a foot of snow, there will probably be a 5-10 inches down here in Golden by this afternoon, and we have almost a full house tonight, chances are a lot of people will not show up anyway.

We'll see.

784 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:09am

re: #753 realwest

I am glad to hear that you are well. Looking forward to a weekend of outdoors and yardwork. Maybe a beach walk on Sunday.

785 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:10am

re: #757 Afrocity

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

Did he really? Good grief.

This confirms my opinion of Michael Savage.

786 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:50am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

The one high-speed line in the US uses equipment from a joint venture of Bombardier (Canada) and, IIRC, Alsthom (France).
I believe GE is the only manufacturer of electric locomotives in the US, and no one has a high-speed diesel.
This is one reason high-speed lines are so expensive - they need to be electrified.

That's part of the problem. The one high speed line wouldn't even qualify as much in Europe or Japan because it is too slow and the right of way is such that you can't get up to top speeds because of turns and joint freight/passenger rail traffic.

You aren't going to see building of new exclusive rights of way for high speed rail except maybe through the desert, where high speed rail doesn't make much sense in any event because of lack of population densities.

Amtrak so completely botched the Acela project that they never got close to the top speeds envisioned for the NE corridor. They keep running into problems with overhead lines that can't handle the speeds, concrete rail ties that were defective and need replacing; bridges that need replacement or bottlenecks like entry into NY Penn Station.

Heck, if you want high speed rail, I'd suggest licensing the French to run high speed rail in the US - from the ground up. At least they know how to do high speed rail (and nuclear power) right. They somehow have managed to get the per mile costs to a fraction of what the US rail costs would be, and their trains go twice as fast. The Obama plan isn't so much a plan as a plan to have a plan. It's smoke and mirrors.

787 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:58am

re: #781 avanti

You know, possible trade with Cuba, and getting prisoners released, freedom of the press, maybe moving away from Communist rule at some point. Raul Castro just reached out, time to see what he's willing to offer.

He has nothing to offer.

788 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:29:58am

re: #781 avanti

You know, possible trade with Cuba, and getting prisoners released, freedom of the press, maybe moving away from Communist rule at some point. Raul Castro just reached out, time to see what he's willing to offer.

For us or them?

789 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:08am

re: #770 lawhawk

Oh come on now, you actually expect the Euros to *gasp* send money and aid to Cuba and not just to bitch about the US destroying the country? Put the crack pipe down and back away.

Seriously, the US is the only friggin country in the world that keeps up the embargo against Cuba (oh and we do send food there all the time), no other significant country has any trade restrictions at all toward Cuba.

790 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:12am
791 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:14am

re: #779 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

{Booking flight to Chicago}

Afrocity {Calling doctor for penicillin prescription}/

792 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #776 Afrocity

Thanks for posting the video. And you make some good context with your quotes from Huffpo and the other idiot media sources.

793 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:17am

re: #764 Afrocity

Hell we don't have to get married, just be my baby's daddy./

Isn't that the title of a country-western song?

794 outsidephilly  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:36am

re: #783 Walter L. Newton


But, we open a new show tonight, but it wouldn't surprise me that we have to cancel tonight. First off, we have a cast of 9 actors in this show, some live up the hill in the Rockies, where they have already had over a foot of snow, there will probably be a 5-10 inches down here in Golden by this afternoon, and we have almost a full house tonight, chances are a lot of people will not show up anyway.

We'll see.


What's the show's name?

795 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:40am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

The one high-speed line in the US uses equipment from a joint venture of Bombardier (Canada) and, IIRC, Alsthom (France).
I believe GE is the only manufacturer of electric locomotives in the US, and no one has a high-speed diesel.
This is one reason high-speed lines are so expensive - they need to be electrified.

High speed lines in the U.S. have a major issue, a lot of them run in cities, where you have crossings. Idiots cross against the barriers now. Can you imagine the carnage if some fool tries to compete against a train moving at 180 miles an hour? All trains would have to be elevated then, which would cost even more money. Damn, lets go all the way into economic un-feasibility, and go to mag-lev.

796 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:30:57am

An ordinary sunrise. Observatory weather: clear, light breeze, 33° F. View to the Northeast. Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California.

Good Morning, today all the problems will be man-made.

"AGP"

Anthro-whatever Global Problems.

797 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:31:04am

re: #778 taxfreekiller

Castro better hurry up and cash the checks before Obama gets us insolvent.!

Any that are older than six months are stale anyway. He's SOL.

798 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:32:00am

re: #781 avanti

You know, possible trade with Cuba, and getting prisoners released, freedom of the press, maybe moving away from Communist rule at some point. Raul Castro just reached out, time to see what he's willing to offer.

Any lifting of the embargo against Cuba should come with strings attached.

1. The Castros are relieved of control.
2. Cuba becomes a democratic nation.
3. No more political prisoners.

Anything else should be unacceptable.

799 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:32:51am

Well, it looks like the 0bama administration might not be blackmailing Israel to withdraw from Judea and Samaria in exchange for help against Iran, after all.

A report published on Thursday that U.S. action on Iran was conditional on Israel’s uprooting of Yesha (Judea and Samaria) communities is “apparently a delusional rumor with no connection to reality,” according to former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Zalman Shoval, who vehemently denied the report on Friday morning.

But Mitchell is still pressuring Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, while the Palis refuse to recognize Israel.

800 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:07am

re: #757 Afrocity

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

Michael Savage needs to drink a big cup of STFU.
BTW, he's a Nirther, too.

801 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:25am

re: #737 johnnyreb
Hey johnnyreb

I was commenting at work the other day that for the first time since Viet Nam, most of our military are combat vets. Heck even the Navy has over 17,000 people boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. This has got to be some of the reason for all this madness about combat vets. People in the upper levels of government are getting scared.

Well I don't know if people in government are getting scared - I mean, they are extremely well protected - I think it's the other way around - they are trying to make non-vets afraid of our more Recent Vets. And they are doing it for at least a few reasons:
a) they are SO STUPID (see, e.g., Holder, Koh, Pelosi and, well, the list goes on and on) they believe that returning vets really are a threat to civil order; and/or
b) they are sufficiently Cunning (as opposed to smart) to think that returning Combat Vets are likely to be Republicans and want to discredit them as much as possible with the general public; and/or
c) They want the returning Vets to become pariahs and therefor not believed when they inevitably write books, movies or just speak out about how we WON in Iraq (and if Obama doesn't fuck it up too badly) and in Afghanistan; in other words, War = BAD!; and/or
d) they are embarrassed because NONE OF THEM EVER SERVED EVEN IN THE PEACETIME MILITARY; and/or
e) some combination of the above.

802 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:27am

re: #764 Afrocity

Married is better.

803 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:30am

re: #786 lawhawk

That's part of the problem. The one high speed line wouldn't even qualify as much in Europe or Japan because it is too slow and the right of way is such that you can't get up to top speeds because of turns and joint freight/passenger rail traffic.

You aren't going to see building of new exclusive rights of way for high speed rail except maybe through the desert, where high speed rail doesn't make much sense in any event because of lack of population densities.

Amtrak so completely botched the Acela project that they never got close to the top speeds envisioned for the NE corridor. They keep running into problems with overhead lines that can't handle the speeds, concrete rail ties that were defective and need replacing; bridges that need replacement or bottlenecks like entry into NY Penn Station.

Heck, if you want high speed rail, I'd suggest licensing the French to run high speed rail in the US - from the ground up. At least they know how to do high speed rail (and nuclear power) right. They somehow have managed to get the per mile costs to a fraction of what the US rail costs would be, and their trains go twice as fast. The Obama plan isn't so much a plan as a plan to have a plan. It's smoke and mirrors.

One of the reasons (I believe, from what I know) is that the French didn't take the "build it from the ground up" model.

They compromised. The TVG line fun about 160-180 miles per hour. They built carriages that could operate on existing rails, and only had to do minor reconstruction of certain portions of the lines (regrading some turns and rail beds).

It worked out well for them. I ridden these lines from Paris to Eastern France, very nice.

804 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #781 avanti

You know, possible trade with Cuba, and getting prisoners released, freedom of the press, maybe moving away from Communist rule at some point. Raul Castro just reached out, time to see what he's willing to offer.

Avanti you are naive.
If Cuba moves away from Communist rule because of talks with Obama, I will personally come and clean every Studebaker you own with a toothbrush.

805 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:49am

ZOMBIE STRIKES AGAIN

Evidently those Lizards who believe that their Macs protect them from all manner of mischief are slightly mistaken.

Please note that there is no Operating Systems Preference - using both a Mac as well as a PC

806 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:33:56am

re: #757 Afrocity

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

He said that? He is such an asshole. I have a nice picture of a black veteran holding a sign at a Tea Party I should send him.

807 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:34:08am

re: #793 Occasional Reader

Isn't that the title of a country-western song?

Play it backwards and it is an Obama speech.

808 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:34:25am

re: #739 Ward Cleaver
I thought the Castro Brothers made sleep sofas, no?
/

809 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:34:38am

"It's not above my pay grade" - Gov. Sarah Palin

810 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:35:14am

re: #794 outsidephilly

What's the show's name?

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

811 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:35:38am

re: #795 acwgusa

High speed lines in the U.S. have a major issue, a lot of them run in cities, where you have crossings. Idiots cross against the barriers now. Can you imagine the carnage if some fool tries to compete against a train moving at 180 miles an hour?

Well... somehow the French, Japanese et al manage to get it to work, without wiping out their citizenry through train-pedestrian encounters (or elevating all the tracks). I don't see why we can't do the same.

While I don't know if the Obama plan is a good one, it is INCREDIBLE to me that we are, literally, thirty to forty years behind France when it comes to high-speed passenger rail.

812 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #801 realwest

One of my Scouts joined the Marines. He's in the "sandbox" (Iraq) right now. You could not find a more gentle soul.

813 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #786 lawhawk

I think the costs of getting exclusive right of way for a high-speed line in the Northeast Corridor would be expensive even if we paid the French to build it.
The area has high real estate costs, and people would sue over everything, even people who claim to support high-speed rail.

814 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:36:40am
815 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #799 Kosh's Shadow

But Mitchell is still pressuring Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, while the Palis refuse to recognize Israel.

What's Mitchell thinking?... "Well, of course they recognize Israel! How else could they aim their missiles at it?"

816 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:37:30am

Ojoe, I still could not email you. My PC crashed when I clicked your nic.

817 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:37:45am

re: #795 acwgusa

I take NJ Transit daily, and there are constantly problems with people crossing the tracks. In fact, they stationed NJ Transit police at the station today to prevent people from crossing the tracks when the crossing guards are down because the train crew complained about people crossing even as the train was coming into the station. Yes, it is that idiotic. People want to cross in front of the train as it heads into the station, and people have been hit before (they just wanted to go to the other side before the train passed - not counting suicides). Heck, there was a pedestrian killed just today on a different train line (no word on cause as investigation underway).

818 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:37:51am

re: #801 realwest

Hey johnnyreb

Well I don't know if people in government are getting scared - I mean, they are extremely well protected - I think it's the other way around - they are trying to make non-vets afraid of our more Recent Vets. And they are doing it for at least a few reasons:
a) they are SO STUPID (see, e.g., Holder, Koh, Pelosi and, well, the list goes on and on) they believe that returning vets really are a threat to civil order; and/or
b) they are sufficiently Cunning (as opposed to smart) to think that returning Combat Vets are likely to be Republicans and want to discredit them as much as possible with the general public; and/or
c) They want the returning Vets to become pariahs and therefor not believed when they inevitably write books, movies or just speak out about how we WON in Iraq (and if Obama doesn't fuck it up too badly) and in Afghanistan; in other words, War = BAD!; and/or
d) they are embarrassed because NONE OF THEM EVER SERVED EVEN IN THE PEACETIME MILITARY; and/or
e) some combination of the above.

You forgot one - they want to discourage people from joining the military in the first place.

819 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:38:06am

re: #811 Occasional Reader

Well... somehow the French, Japanese et al manage to get it to work, without wiping out their citizenry through train-pedestrian encounters (or elevating all the tracks). I don't see why we can't do the same.

While I don't know if the Obama plan is a good one, it is INCREDIBLE to me that we are, literally, thirty to forty years behind France when it comes to high-speed passenger rail.

Blame Ike and the interstate highway system, thats what really killed passenger rail travel in this country. Most long distance personal travel was by rail until the completion of the interstate system.

820 yochanan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #791 Afrocity

Afrocity {Calling doctor for penicillin prescription}/

DON'T DRINK THE WATER

821 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:38:42am

re: #813 Kosh's Shadow

I think the costs of getting exclusive right of way for a high-speed line in the Northeast Corridor would be expensive even if we paid the French to build it.
The area has high real estate costs, and people would sue over everything, even people who claim to support high-speed rail.

Whole bunch of NIMBY folks.

822 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:38:47am

re: #737 johnnyreb

I was commenting at work the other day that for the first time since Viet Nam, most of our military are combat vets.

And while they had to earn that distinction at a hard price, it's a good thing for this country. By way of comparison; the military of our biggest global competitor now, China, has not been in combat (other than bashing Tibetan monks and the like) since 1979.

823 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #813 Kosh's Shadow

Acquisition costs in the NE corridor would be prohibitively expensive, but other areas where high speed rail are being considered - the NYC-Albany-Buffalo route wouldn't be nearly as expensive and would be comparable to the rail lines that cross the French countryside.

And the lawsuits from the NIMBYots would be legion.

824 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:39:19am

re: #809 Kenneth

"It's not above my pay grade" - Gov. Sarah Palin



I truly admire her and her family.

825 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:39:24am

re: #798 Honorary Yooper

Any lifting of the embargo against Cuba should come with strings attached.

1. The Castros are relieved of control.
2. Cuba becomes a democratic nation.
3. No more political prisoners.

Anything else should be unacceptable.

I agree, that should be the long term goal, but it could come in steps. i.e. the Castro's are both getting very old, but we could start with the release of political prisoners and a bite of the carrot, then freedom of the press, then elections. I don't think we should force any political system on the Cuban's, they could vote for any system they like. I suspect it would be more socialist then we might like since they have been under the Commie's for 50 years.

826 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:39:25am

re: #786 lawhawk

To let the French build the rail is the way to go. I know people would complain about outsourcing the jobs to French engineers, but why have a second class line when you could have the best?

827 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:39:39am

re: #816 Afrocity

I'll post a comment on your blog.

I would love to hear what Thomas Merton would say today.
But, that is to imagine.

828 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #804 Afrocity

Avanti you are naive.
If Cuba moves away from Communist rule because of talks with Obama, I will personally come and clean every Studebaker you own with a toothbrush.

Bookmarked your post.:)

829 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:40:36am

re: #815 Kenneth

What's Mitchell thinking?... "Well, of course they recognize Israel! How else could they aim their missiles at it?"

Good one.
I forgot to add "as a Jewish state". All the Arabs' "peace plans" that involve recognizing Israel also involve making them take back so many "refugees" that Israel would no longer be a Jewish state.

830 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:40:46am

re: #814 Iron Fist

The left is obsessed with racism. They must see it in themselves to see it in everything and everybody else.

And the one thing that amazes me most about the left response to the tea parties:
They cannot comprehend how anybody who will not personally have their taxes raised could possibly be outraged by the taxing and spending going on. To them, as long as they aren't paying more, there's no problem.

831 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:40:47am

re: #827 Ojoe

I'll post a comment on your blog.

I would love to hear what Thomas Merton would say today.
But, that is to imagine.

I am still waiting for Avanti to come over.

832 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:40:51am

re: #810 Walter L. Newton

That show on your schedule "A Picasso", sounds interesting. Have you ever seen/done it?

833 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:41:03am

re: #811 Occasional Reader

The conscious effort was made by the French and Japanese to separate passenger rail lines from freight traffic. That decision is a direct contributor to the high speed systems in both countries and elsewhere.

The high speed rail can't go nearly as fast when sharing lines with freight traffic.

834 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:41:04am

re: #813 Kosh's Shadow

I think the costs of getting exclusive right of way for a high-speed line in the Northeast Corridor would be expensive even if we paid the French to build it.
The area has high real estate costs, and people would sue over everything, even people who claim to support high-speed rail.

I'd bet on a windfarm off Teddy K.'s coastline first.

835 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:41:05am

re: #744 Ward Cleaver

Reading Jug Burkett's book, Stolen Valor, just made me shake my head. Unbelievable. All the bullshit that Vietnam vets have had to put up with.

well Stolen Valor is a helluva book (although even it, as painstakingly researched by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley as it was, is wrong in several places) and does accurately reflect the bs many of us Vietnam Vets hadda put up with (though that changed and became MUCH worse after Nixon was elected in 1972) but WE ARE STILL HERE and We won't let that happen to the vets returning from Military to civilian life now. Just. won't. let. it. happen.

836 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #826 Mr. In get Mr. Out

To let the French build the rail is the way to go. I know people would complain about outsourcing the jobs to French engineers, but why have a second class line when you could have the best?

So you want the Japanese.

/

837 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:42:12am

re: #821 MandyManners

And those NIMBY folks will stop everything - including so called green technologies - like solar, wind, and hydro.

838 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:42:50am

re: #828 avanti

Bookmarked your post.:)

Afrocity: {stuffs 36 grit sandpaper in her pockets on the way to Avanti's)

839 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:43:12am

re: #757 Afrocity

Why? Michael Savage is saying that there were no black people at the Tea Parties, because blacks do not pay any taxes.

that is so insulting.
the m.c. at the manhattan tea party was a black guy w/ a talk radio show.
( i think, in atlanta, sorry i can't remember his name)
he said, one day a buffoon called him on the air and accused him of being a redneck racist cracker.
the guy hung up when he found out he was talking to a "black redneck racist cracker." LOL
also i saw several black people in the crowd where i was standing.
lots of asians and hispanic people too,

840 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:43:19am

re: #833 lawhawk

The conscious effort was made by the French and Japanese to separate passenger rail lines from freight traffic. That decision is a direct contributor to the high speed systems in both countries and elsewhere.

The high speed rail can't go nearly as fast when sharing lines with freight traffic.

Can't they just pass the freight trains?

/

841 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:43:37am

re: #830 VioletTiger

The left doesn't see people as people, only as a racial/gender group that needs coddling.

842 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:43:59am

re: #839 nyc redneck

that is so insulting.
the m.c. at the manhattan tea party was a black guy w/ a talk radio show.
( i think, in atlanta, sorry i can't remember his name)
he said, one day a buffoon called him on the air and accused him of being a redneck racist cracker.
the guy hung up when he found out he was talking to a "black redneck racist cracker." LOL
also i saw several black people in the crowd where i was standing.
lots of asians and hispanic people too,

All Internet Nazis, according to a prominent poster here.

843 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:44:00am

re: #832 Lincolntf

That show on your schedule "A Picasso", sounds interesting. Have you ever seen/done it?

No, it's a relatively new script, I think this will be the Colorado premier. This will be the second "fictional history" story we are doing this year which is about the Nazi's.

We just closed "The Visitor" two weeks ago. A fictional visit between "god" and Sigmund Freud as the Nazi's moved into Austria.

844 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:44:46am

re: #806 capitalist piglet

He said that? He is such an asshole. I have a nice picture of a black veteran holding a sign at a Tea Party I should send him.

I've listened to Savage only a couple of times - briefly - he's too angry and bitter to handle on my drive home when I'm trying to wind down!

But apropos his statement, I thought Obama was supposed to be the great uniter? Yet under his few months in office so far, there is a growing anger and division between wealth segments, racial segments, and public/private workers. Just WTF is he uniting?

845 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:44:56am

re: #837 lawhawk

And those NIMBY folks will stop everything - including so called green technologies - like solar, wind, and hydro.

The almighty view!

846 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:45:41am

re: #844 Russkilitlover

Just WTF is he uniting?

Socialist tendencies and useful idiots.

847 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #842 OldLineTexan

All Internet Nazis, according to a prominent poster here.

I must ask who that would be (I think I know)
KT?

848 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:04am

re: #800 VioletTiger

In that vein, I did a quick look at some of our wonderful stalker sites last night and this morning to see what they were crowing about. It was quite an interesting adventure, and I had to take a shower afterward. Haz-mat suits can make one sweat terribly.

Pam's got the Glenn Beck video on her front page, and it's about all the intellectual stimualtion she apparently can handle. Another one is busy comparing Charles to Hitler, which is really ironic when you consider that these same people are the ones who allied with the Eurofascists.

What is it with Charles Derangement Syndrome anyway? Is it that people just can't get over the fact they acted like assholes here and got themselves banned? I mean, just yesterday, Stinky had to whack yet another attempt by a certain LGF-addicted commentor to get back in. I just don't get it. This is Charles's place, and his blog where he sets the topic. It isn't theirs to do with as they please, it's his, he pays for it, and he maintains it. There's no one compelling these twits to comment in a thread they don't like. They do this bullshit all on their own, and then they get pissy when the host calls them out for their crap. I just don't get it. They must have some sort of sickness that they just cannot let go and admit they were banned because they were acting like assholes.

As for people like Pam, you made your bed, you sleep with fascists, and then you wonder why someone says you have fleas. She shouldn't whine when someone merely notices she has fleas for her actions.

849 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:10am

re: #836 OldLineTexan

So you want the Japanese.

/

I note the sarc tag... now, while I've never taken the Japanese bullet train, I cannot say anything negative about the French TGV. It's outstanding. Plus, the Japanese bullet train is prone to passenger-massacring Ninja attacks.

850 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:15am

re: #837 lawhawk

And those NIMBY folks will stop everything - including so called green technologies - like solar, wind, and hydro.

Well San Fran Nan already blocked solar power in the desert because of an endangered turtle or something. She introduced something to make the entire mojave desert into a national park or some protected area so nothing can be built there.

Ahnold even called her on it.

851 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:24am

re: #844 Russkilitlover

I've listened to Savage only a couple of times - briefly - he's too angry and bitter to handle on my drive home when I'm trying to wind down!

But apropos his statement, I thought Obama was supposed to be the great uniter? Yet under his few months in office so far, there is a growing anger and division between wealth segments, racial segments, and public/private workers. Just WTF is he uniting?

The poor against the non-poor?

852 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:27am

re: #844 Russkilitlover

I've listened to Savage only a couple of times - briefly - he's too angry and bitter to handle on my drive home when I'm trying to wind down!

But apropos his statement, I thought Obama was supposed to be the great uniter? Yet under his few months in office so far, there is a growing anger and division between wealth segments, racial segments, and public/private workers. Just WTF is he uniting?

Just wait until the taxes on the rich are so high that everyone will be united in poverty, and there are no jobs except in the public sector.

853 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:46:41am

Darwin award winner...

She thought polar bears, the largest land carnivore in the world, were cute.

854 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #847 VegasRick

Yep.

855 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:47:53am

re: #853 Kenneth

Darwin award winner...



She thought polar bears, the largest land carnivore in the world, were cute.

They are cute, but only from the other side of the retaining wall.

856 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:11am

I see the ankle biters are at work already this morning.

857 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:13am

re: #854 OldLineTexan

Yep.

He's jumped the shark.

858 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:15am

re: #748 Who Watches the Watchmen? Well that racism dog won't hunt for long. I'll bet MONEY that most of those comments about the tea parties being racist and only attended by rich white folks who could afford to take the time off from work were written by the not-poor white folks who voted for Obama.
See, he's the first Black American ever elected President and therefore anything said against him has to be racially motiviated.
As I said, that dog won't hunt for long, and certainly not after April 15th, 2010 when the Tax Bites really start to smart and after April 15 2011 when the Bush tax cuts expire, I wouldn't be surprised if more Americans were attending the Tea Parties than those who weren't.

859 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:32am

"I won't say anything becasue no one ever listens to me anyway! I might as well be a Leonard Cohen record!"

-Neil, The Young Ones

860 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:42am

re: #856 Killgore Trout

I see the ankle biters are at work already this morning.

What ankle biters? I don't understand your reference?

861 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:47am

re: #805 Conservative in Liberal Hands

ZOMBIE STRIKES AGAIN

Evidently those Lizards who believe that their Macs protect them from all manner of mischief are slightly mistaken.

Please note that there is no Operating Systems Preference - using both a Mac as well as a PC

That's too funny.

862 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:56am

re: #819 johnnyreb

Blame Ike and the interstate highway system, thats what really killed passenger rail travel in this country. Most long distance personal travel was by rail until the completion of the interstate system.

You forget about the role of the airlines in that. As fare prices got lower for the airlines, the passenger rail traffic suffered as well. Everyone is so quick to blame the Interstate System, but it was the airlines that really put an end to long-distance passenger rail. With air travel, one could be across the country in five hours rather than five days.

863 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:48:59am

re: #759 Big Steve

Agreed...I can't imagine anything we gain by talks with Cuba. They are not a credible threat. They don't have the economy to stir up shit in Latin American like they used to.

One thing that might come out of it is a better life for the people of Cuba. If the results for us are, as you suggest, neutral at best, I'd call that a good outcome.

And I'd rather see Cuba cutting deals with America than with Russia or Venezuela.

864 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:49:39am

re: #839 nyc redneck

Michael Steele was at a tea party too.

If anyone has any tea party pics with African Americans please send them to me and I will send them to Michael Savage.

I wrote over $4,000 check to IRS this week. So I do pay taxes.

865 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:50:00am

re: #849 Occasional Reader

I note the sarc tag... now, while I've never taken the Japanese bullet train, I cannot say anything negative about the French TGV. It's outstanding. Plus, the Japanese bullet train is prone to passenger-massacring Ninja attacks.

I have only been on the Chinese line in Shanghai. We did not go full speed, as it was too early in the morning.

866 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:50:17am

re: #850 johnnyreb

The next step after NIMBY is BANANA:

"Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything".

Planners actually use this term, unofficially.

BBL

867 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:50:18am

re: #856 Killgore Trout

I see the ankle biters are at work already this morning.

CLASS WARFARE!

868 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:50:44am

re: #848 Honorary Yooper

I did write a polite, but pointed, letter to Glenn Beck. I still need to figure out where to send it. Basically, I told him that his response to criticism and the response it generated, was proof that the criticism is valid. These guys need to understand that they have a bully pulpit, and what they say and do can have a significant reaction in the slightly off segments of our population.

869 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:50:59am

re: #863 SixDegrees

And I'd rather see Cuba cutting deals with America than with Russia or Venezuela.

Er... Castro made the announcement in Caracas, at a meeting hosted by Chavez.

So why do I get the feeling we're getting "rolled"?

870 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:51:40am

re: #860 Walter L. Newton

Apparently I've jumped the shark.

871 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:52:16am

re: #865 OldLineTexan

I have only been on the Chinese line in Shanghai. We did not go full speed, as it was too early in the morning.

Cool! What's it like?

(And re: "too early in the morning"... so the engineer wasn't fully awake?)

872 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:52:17am

Gee Walter 20 inches of snow in Denver. Just heard the news. Nice stay in and cuddle day.

873 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:52:18am

Email From Maersk Alabama


Hey,

Everyone on here is okay. We're on our way to Mombasa with Navy protection on board. Captain Phillips is still hostage in the lifeboat with the 4 pirates. I hear they're flying out reliefs for everyone, but I'm not sure what all's going to happen once we get to Mombasa . Supposedly the FBI is coming out to investigate the crime. Maybe we'll be on the next CSI Somalia. I wanted to let you know some of the lessons we learned so you guys can better prepare yourselves for something similar. The only guys actually captured by the pirates were on the bridge: Capt, 3/M, and 2 AB's.

874 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #833 lawhawk

The conscious effort was made by the French and Japanese to separate passenger rail lines from freight traffic. That decision is a direct contributor to the high speed systems in both countries and elsewhere.

The high speed rail can't go nearly as fast when sharing lines with freight traffic.

Very true. We run into the problem with our local commuter rail here in Chicago. However, we are ahead of the French and the Japanese in the area of freight rail. We move far more freight by rail than they do, and consequently, have more freight trains on the tracks.

875 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:52:48am

re: #857 VegasRick

He's jumped the shark Nazi.

Slight mod.

876 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:53:19am

re: #868 VioletTiger

I did write a polite, but pointed, letter to Glenn Beck. I still need to figure out where to send it. Basically, I told him that his response to criticism and the response it generated, was proof that the criticism is valid. These guys need to understand that they have a bully pulpit, and what they say and do can have a significant reaction in the slightly off segments of our population.


Bellvue

877 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:53:21am

re: #870 Killgore Trout

Apparently I've jumped the shark.

Fonzi Trout?

878 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:53:23am
879 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #863 SixDegrees

One thing that might come out of it is a better life for the people of Cuba. If the results for us are, as you suggest, neutral at best, I'd call that a good outcome.

And I'd rather see Cuba cutting deals with America than with Russia or Venezuela.

I just love the climate in Cuba, I think a few casino resorts would do very well. As I recall, pre Castro, Cuba was the vacation destination, tourism could be the opening.

880 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:53:34am

re: #757 Afrocity Hey Afrocity if that's what Michael Savage said, then he's an asshole. There were blacks and Latino Americans in attendance at at least three of the Tea Parties held here in N.C.; those making close to the minimum wage are going to get whacked far harded than the uber rich - with their offshore corporations and already bought and paid for houses, boats, cars and what not.
For that is the meme of the true Leftist Elite - "I got mine, to hell with you."

881 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:54:05am

re: #864 Afrocity

If anyone has any tea party pics with African Americans

I saw a few black Tea Partiers at Lafeyette Square; but only a few. Alas, I took no pics (raining too much... expose my preciousss iPhone to the rain?! Heaven forfend!)

882 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:54:05am

re: #876 Afrocity

Bellvue

What's the difference between glenn back and a mental patient?

The mental patient is getting help.

883 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #844 Russkilitlover

I've listened to Savage only a couple of times - briefly - he's too angry and bitter to handle on my drive home when I'm trying to wind down!

But apropos his statement, I thought Obama was supposed to be the great uniter? Yet under his few months in office so far, there is a growing anger and division between wealth segments, racial segments, and public/private workers. Just WTF is he uniting?


Class warfare, for one. Read some of the comments on news and blog sites. The lefty underclass is saying, 'bring it bitches' to quote one ''eloquent' poster.

884 Macker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:54:56am

Good Morning Lizards! Here's a young cub reporter at the Santa Clarita Valley Tea Party demonstration:

885 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:55:02am

re: #850 johnnyreb

Well San Fran Nan already blocked solar power in the desert because of an endangered turtle or something. She introduced something to make the entire mojave desert into a national park or some protected area so nothing can be built there.

Ahnold even called her on it.

There's opposition to building wind power projects in Kansas and elsewhere on the Great Plains (the perfect location for wind power projects because of the steady winds), because of claims that it might affect the habits of some kinds of animals. Oh, and the actual footprint of alternative energy projects is vastly larger than that of conventional power facilities:

One of the biggest challenges renewable-energy projects pose is that they often take up much more land than conventional sources, such as coal-fired power plants. A team of scientists, several of whom work for the Nature Conservancy, has written a paper that will appear in the journal PLoS One showing that it can take 300 times as much land to produce a given amount of energy from soy biodiesel as from a nuclear power plant. Regardless of the climate policy the nation adopts, the paper predicts that by 2030, energy production will occupy an additional 79,537 square miles of land.

The impact will be "substantial," said Jimmie Powell, the Nature Conservancy's national energy leader and one of the paper's co-authors. "It's important to know where the footprint is going to be."

In some cases, scientists are just beginning to discover the unintended effect of projects such as wind turbines. Grassland birds such as the lesser prairie chicken and the greater sage grouse, both of which are candidates for listing under the Endangered Species Act, appear to avoid vertical structures such as wind turbines and transmission-line towers. This is proving to be a problem in states such as Kansas, an ideal site for wind power, because as more turbines are built, lesser prairie chickens will confine themselves to narrow ranges, fragmenting a population that must be connected to survive.

Nuclear is still the best option for now, and we can thank the inability to build new plants to the NIMBYism and Sen Harry Reid (D-NV) who has opposed the opening of Yucca Mt., all while doing all he can to protect the jobs created by prior administrations to research, plan, and conduct the initial work on the project - the nuclear repository for the nation's nuclear waste that he has steadfastly refused to allow to move forward in violation of federal agreements with the nuclear power industry (nuke operators had to pay fees towards Yucca Mt., and if that project doesn't happen, the government has to reimburse).

886 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:55:06am

re: #858 realwest

Morning all. Oh, I see you are talking about how the liberals think all the people at the tea parties were there not because they object to tax and spend policy but because they object to a black president i.e. conservatives are RACIST!

This beootch can go take a hike

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

hey real, I bet you are feeling pretty good today, I'm happy for you.

887 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:55:32am

Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe

The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders.

The aim of the FBI's effort with the Defense Department, which was rolled into the Vigilant Eagle program, is to "share information regarding Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans whose involvement in white supremacy and/or militia sovereign citizen extremist groups poses a domestic terrorism threat," according to the Feb. 23 FBI memo.

Michael Ward, FBI deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, said in an interview Thursday that the portion of the operation focusing on the military related only to veterans who draw the attention of Defense Department officials for joining white-supremacist or other extremist groups

.

Is everybody still opposed to the DHS investigating neo-nazi terrorists?

888 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:55:41am
889 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:55:46am

re: #871 Occasional Reader

Cool! What's it like?

(And re: "too early in the morning"... so the engineer wasn't fully awake?)

They are not allowed to go full speed before 9 am, and I had a 7:30 am flight. It only runs to the airport and back in daylight hours IIRC, and it parallels a major freeway for the most part.

It's a Maglev, extremely smooth. The stations were much nicer than the other "interior" Chinese airports, etc. I used. However, the train itself was much like a city bus, although somewhat less bus-like than the rail system in Hong Kong. These two trips constitute my entire experience in train travel except for Disney and Six Flags. ;)

890 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #811 Occasional Reader

Well... somehow the French, Japanese et al manage to get it to work, without wiping out their citizenry through train-pedestrian encounters (or elevating all the tracks). I don't see why we can't do the same.

While I don't know if the Obama plan is a good one, it is INCREDIBLE to me that we are, literally, thirty to forty years behind France when it comes to high-speed passenger rail.

We've substituted air travel for train travel. It makes more sense when you're traveling coast to coast. From Chicago to Detroit, not so much. And air travel is always hugely more energy inefficient than rail. It's more efficient than trucks, too, yet we ship all kinds of goods over huge distances in semis instead of using our existing rail network, high speed or not, thanks to the Teamsters.

If you've ever experienced the dismal service that radiates from Amtrak, however, you'll agree that part of any money spent on trains has got to be put toward bolstering customer service. They can't just pay for the rails and cars and then walk away and leave you on hold.

For an object lesson in terrifically horrendous website design, have a look at the Amtrak website. I'm fairly sure we put some of the former Stalinists who escaped the collapse of the Soviet Union to work on it; it has that bleak, undecorated cement exterior that the USSR was festooned with.

891 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:10am

What's the difference between glenn beck and a pot head?

One is dopey, the other has the munchies.

892 mmkay76  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:11am

From the other thread about the tea parties and meetings: re: #973 muddywood

And if Glenn Beck has anything to do with getting these people together and then keeping the momentum going, then God bless him.
That is all.

That's my point. Beck is doing more good than harm.

Besides. idn't Charles call out Beck first? I don't know why he's sooo sensitive about the jazz musician jab. Yes it's cheap, but it's TV and Beck needs to defend himself against charges of inciting violence in an entertaining way.

Bush is an alcoholic. Rush abuses drugs. Obama... The list goes on. I don't think you win any points by attacking people by how they abused something in the past that has no bearing on their policies or actions today.

Some in here sound just like the rabid left attacking Beck without attacking what he's saying. Some are attacking his conspiracies, but after watching him regularly for a couple months, he's nowhere close to Alex Jones. I don't care if he advertises that crap on his show. Hugh Hewitt had this guy on in LA when I lived there that constantly pitched doom and gloom scenarios in order to sell more gold. He had 3-minute commercials and even his own show late at night!

Debate the issues that are pertinent to what's happening today. Beck has more than enough smart people (NRO, Cato, Reason) and important topics on his show now to make up for his stupid histrionics and the wingnut fringe who latch on to this small government movement.

It might sound crazy to label every government official socialist, but when the net effect of their policies is, heh, socialism, I really don't see the dishonesty and hysteria in doing so.

I apologize for the long rant, but I hate to see people who I'm 99% in agreement with attacking a guy who's probably 99% with me politically.

893 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:14am

re: #877 Sharmuta

Fonzi Trout?

Cool. How do you spell "Aaaa" for the thumbs up?

894 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:27am

re: #852 Kosh's Shadow

Just wait until the taxes on the rich are so high that everyone will be united in poverty, and there are no jobs except in the public sector.

FTFY ;) Obama's definition of rich will morph into the same cloud of confusion as Clinton's definition of "is." We'll ALL be "rich."

895 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:56:42am
896 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:57:26am

re: #870 Killgore Trout

Apparently I've jumped the shark.

No, you haven't. Your concerns are valid, but you also need to listen to what your fellow lizards are telling you about these things because they were there. It is worrisome that Sithfront is crowing about the events, but they also love puffing themselves and their sense of importance up. It is worrisome that Alex Jones and Ron Paul are behind the organization of the events, but they are also whining that too many of our kind showed up for them.

Right now, as far as I can see, it is a mixed bag that requires evaluation and study.

897 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #872 Afrocity

Gee Walter 20 inches of snow in Denver. Just heard the news. Nice stay in and cuddle day.

Well maybe. We open a new show tonight, er, maybe. Some of our cast (and the producer and artistic director) live in the mountains, and they have already seen over a foot up there.

Interstate 70 has chain requirements now for ALL vehicles, and that's the route most a lot of our people would be trying to use to get to Golden.

And a lot of our patrons live in the hills.

Not looking good.

898 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:57:43am

re: #853 Kenneth

Darwin award winner...


[Video]She thought polar bears, the largest land carnivore in the world, were cute.

They are pretty cute - when they're mauling idiots.

The only thing that would be better would be if she were a member of PETA. I suppose that's too much to hope for.

899 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:57:51am

re: #864 Afrocity

How about a video of a speech by a very articulate African American woman at a Tea Party in Texas? Teleprompter free.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

900 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #891 Sharmuta

What's the difference between glenn beck and a pot head?

One is dopey, the other has the munchies.

Sharm you should be more outspoken about your dislike of Mr. Beck. Don't keep it all bottled in like that. Tell us how you exactly feel.

901 mmkay76  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:58:32am

man, i suck at editing. when is the edit feature coming, charles?

902 Macker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:58:35am

re: #894 Russkilitlover

FTFY ;) Obama's definition of rich will morph into the same cloud of confusion as Clinton's definition of "is." We'll ALL be "rich."

Compared to the rest of the planet, that is.

903 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:59:35am

re: #778 taxfreekiller
Hey TFK - never mind us going broke (won't happen) but those checks are now worth (and will become even more worthless) due to inflation than they ever were.
That's why Rudy Guliani said - on a short stop over on Hannity's show that "Even the Chinese Communists are trying to teach Obama how to be a Capitalist - they own half of our Treasury notes and don't want to be paid back on an inflated dollar basis, .50 cents on the dollar"! LOL!

904 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:59:38am

It's about time we wound down the flamewar over the tea parties.

905 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:59:43am

re: #899 Kenneth

Thanks Kenneth!

906 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:01am
907 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:29am

re: #878 taxfreekiller

Phoenix Az. has a huge surge of "hostage takings".

DHS and Obama say the guns are all going from North to South, and its all America's fault.

Who is taking who hostage in Az.?

Facts count unless your a no good commie liar Democrat leader.

I was listening to a local (San Diego) talk show this morning. The host always has a segment called This Week In Mexico, where he lists the latest drug war updates.

He said that over the last 6 years, 150,000 Mexican army personnel have deserted - and taken their weapons with them. Not to mention that arms recovered from drug gangs are Chinese and Korean made.

ALL the arms flowing into Mexico are coming from the US? Ummm...not so much.

908 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:31am

Can anyone tell me if this quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln is true?
I'm not all that internet research savvy. My 10 year old has to write an essay on what Abraham Lincoln would think of the government today, JAG came up with this for "law day" at her school.
My first thought was he would be appalled, but figuring they were looking for a more feel good essay I figured she could go with the first African American President and how proud he would be of how far we've come. Then I found this quote and if he really said this her essay would be a lie.
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.
Whenever the schools ask questions like what would so and so think about this or that today, I try to reminder her that she has to consider that so and so had a different mind set then we do today.

909 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:40am

re: #904 Ward Cleaver

It's about time we wound down the flamewar over the tea parties.

I'll second that ward

910 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #904 Ward Cleaver

It's about time we wound down the flamewar over the tea parties.

Sooo...how about that Susan Boyle?

911 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:50am

Two Admirals are conversing with a young man who is planning to join the Navy, but can't decide if he wants to be in the surface fleet or submarines.

"Son, this is a simple choice," the Surface Admiral says. "You see that ship over there? That's a destroyer. And that one is a cruiser. This one over here is a battleship. And that really big one on the far side of the harbor is an aircraft carrier. We'll even teach you how to pilot one of those, if you want. Not everybody can say they can park a ten thousand ton ship as easy as you can park your dad's Buick. Hell, son, you can even be a pilot and fly off of a carrier!"

The Submarine Admiral puts his arm around the young man. "It is a simple choice, young man. You see all these wonderful ships? Well, we in the submarines don't worry about names, and ship classes, and other little facts like that. There is only three kinds of ships in the world: United States Navy Submarines, our support fleet, and the rest of them are targets!"

912 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:50am

Anyone heard about the "Craigslist killer" in Boston/R.I.? Creepy.

913 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:00:56am

re: #890 SixDegrees

We've substituted air travel for train travel. It makes more sense when you're traveling coast to coast. From Chicago to Detroit, not so much. And air travel is always hugely more energy inefficient than rail. It's more efficient than trucks, too, yet we ship all kinds of goods over huge distances in semis instead of using our existing rail network, high speed or not, thanks to the Teamsters.

If you've ever experienced the dismal service that radiates from Amtrak, however, you'll agree that part of any money spent on trains has got to be put toward bolstering customer service. They can't just pay for the rails and cars and then walk away and leave you on hold.

For an object lesson in terrifically horrendous website design, have a look at the Amtrak website. I'm fairly sure we put some of the former Stalinists who escaped the collapse of the Soviet Union to work on it; it has that bleak, undecorated cement exterior that the USSR was festooned with.

For time sensitive goods, air travel is still preferable. Rail freight is preferable for most everything else, since it can handle greater weights, volume, and cost.

I haven't taken AMTRAK in a few years, but I've had to take NE corridor between Penn Station and Secaucus Transfer a few times (the Mrs. take it daily), and it can be an absolute mess when the traffic gets fouled up - a weekly occurrence because of problems with the Portal Bridge or trains breaking down, etc.

The AMTRAK service I've seen is pretty good. I'd take a bare-bones AMTRAK website and good reliable service any day. We get neither.

914 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:08am

re: #901 mmkay76

man, i suck at editing. when is the edit feature coming, charles?

Given the volume of comments here, I think the edit period would have to be short, like one minute.

915 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:13am

re: #784 VioletTiger
Ah, a walk on the beach - assuming it's not freezing! - what could be more serene?
Uh, what state are y'all in that you plan to walk on the beach?!

916 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:34am

re: #910 Sharmuta

Sooo...how about that Susan Boyle?

Is she hot, or what?

/

917 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:38am

re: #895 taxfreekiller

avanti

set up a pay pal account, I'll put in real dough to send you and your
out of production cars to Cuba, they are old enough to fit in with
the old worn out shit the commie's have now

I've shipped Studebaker's to Japan, France, Belgium, Sweden and Mexico. I think the parts market for old car parts in Cuba would be very large. I can imagine a very large market for excess US used cars too. A Cuban would love a $500 1979 Buick to wheel around in.

918 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:44am

re: #890 SixDegrees

If you've ever experienced the dismal service that radiates from Amtrak

I live in DC, and go frequently to NYC. So, yes, I'm familiar with the joys of Amtrak. The Acela looks fairly nice, but is kind of a fake "high speed" line; it's almost always at least somewhat late, so it actually saves you little time over the "express" regular NE Corridor service... assuming THAT'S on time.

919 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:01:57am

re: #910 Sharmuta

Sooo...how about that Susan Boyle?

She can really belt out a pretty tune, I have to say.

920 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:05am

I'm sure that someone upstream must have already noted that for mass transit to work, the population has to be massed up somewhere.

So, for big city to big city mass transit would work. All people would have to do is train themselves to the transit schedules. In the rural areas, not so much.

Just not enough people to justify the expense of laying transit lines without riders.

Even if we do away with the dreaded infernal-combustion engines and force everyone back onto shank's-mare, there will still be that certain segment that wishes to live in some isolation.

921 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:05am
922 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:17am

re: #869 Occasional Reader

Er... Castro made the announcement in Caracas, at a meeting hosted by Chavez.

So why do I get the feeling we're getting "rolled"?

I'm aware of that. Chavez has been attempting to hook Cuba on financial aid for the last couple of years now, and the Castros have wisely resisted. They're well aware that Chavez wants more than to help his fellow travelers.

As you point out, the devil would be in the details of any such deals. They will need to be carefully scrutinized. All I'm pointing out is that there is the potential here for a decent outcome. The general population in Cuba is not living a happy life.

923 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:23am
924 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:35am

re: #905 Afrocity

I like your blog. Keep it up!

925 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:02:43am
926 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:03:21am

re: #916 Ward Cleaver

She's absolutely beautiful, and it's not sarcasm.

927 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:03:32am

re: #918 Occasional Reader

And it's not worth the price premium they put on it - since you only gain a 30 minute benefit over the standard service on much of the NE corridor.

928 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:03:33am

re: #910 Sharmuta

Sooo...how about that Susan Boyle?

It would be a blast the see her sing karaoke in a Scottish pup after downing a couple pints of beer, she would probably really wail

929 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:03:39am

re: #916 Ward Cleaver

Is she hot, or what?

/

Ward, aren't you being a little hard on the Beaver?

930 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:03:53am

re: #896 Honorary Yooper

Right now, as far as I can see, it is a mixed bag that requires evaluation and study.

NO! It requires knee-jerk, hysterical emotionalism! And anyone who says otherwise is A FRICKKIN' NAZI! Or maybe a goddamn commie... it's confusing.

931 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #929 Afrocity

Ward, aren't you being a little hard on the Beaver?

Dirtiest.show.on.TV.ever.

932 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:04:16am

re: #917 avanti

I've shipped Studebaker's to Japan, France, Belgium, Sweden and Mexico. I think the parts market for old car parts in Cuba would be very large. I can imagine a very large market for excess US used cars too. A Cuban would love a $500 1979 Buick to wheel around in.

I've read many articles in the past about the ingenuity that Cubans have used to keep their American iron running, given the inability to get spare parts. During the Soviet era, most preferred to keep their old American cars, rather than trade for Ladas.

933 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:04:31am

re: #908 HHC 2-2 SCR

Yes, I believe so. Do you need a link?

934 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:04:51am

re: #891 Sharmuta

What's the difference between glenn beck and a pot head?

One is dopey, the other has the munchies.

I'm not a pot head, but I definitely have the munchies right now. Any minute now I'm going to start chewing on my desk! And there is no food to raid in company kitchen. Lunch is so far away...

935 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:04:51am

re: #915 realwest

Ah, a walk on the beach - assuming it's not freezing! - what could be more serene?
Uh, what state are y'all in that you plan to walk on the beach?!

South Jersey - not to be confused with North Jersey.

936 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:06am

re: #925 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting other story on your link:


Israel Aerospace Industries inched a step closer to securing a multimillion dollar deal to sell an advanced early-warning missile radar system to South Korea.

According to reports in the South Korean press, Seoul's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) is leaning towards purchasing IAI's Super Green Pine radar. The other system under consideration is Thales Raytheon Systems' M3R.

DAPA sources quoted in the media said that the agency favored the IAI radar, which works together with Israel's Arrow 2 missile defense system and has a claimed detection range of 500 kilometers, extendable to 800 km.

One Super Green Pine radar could cover all of North Korea, the reports said, from a position well behind the Demilitarized Zone that divides the Korean peninsula.

937 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:17am

re: #917 avanti

I've shipped Studebaker's to Japan, France, Belgium, Sweden and Mexico. I think the parts market for old car parts in Cuba would be very large. I can imagine a very large market for excess US used cars too. A Cuban would love a $500 1979 Buick to wheel around in.

Maybe Avanti is a drug smuggler?

938 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:18am

re: #916 Ward Cleaver

Is she hot, or what?

/

You really didn't mean this as sarcasm, did you? Not funny.

939 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #930 Occasional Reader

NO! It requires knee-jerk, hysterical emotionalism! And anyone who says otherwise is A FRICKKIN' NAZI! Or maybe a goddamn commie... it's confusing.

Get out the non-petroleum renewable tar substitute and free-range non-GMO feathers!

940 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:43am

re: #928 turn

It would be a blast the see her sing karaoke in a Scottish pup after downing a couple pints of beer, she would probably really wail

I think she'd rock.

941 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:05:47am
942 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:06:06am

rere: #908 HHC 2-2 SCR

Who is sponsoring the "law day"? Who published any pamphlets/guidelines that the teacher is using?

943 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:06:11am

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

You really didn't mean this as sarcasm, did you? Not funny.

I'm sorry. She has a beautiful voice.

944 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:06:41am

re: #942 MandyManners

re

Who is sponsoring the "law day"? Who published any pamphlets/guidelines that the teacher is using?

HA! "Law day" at my high school meant the drug dog was on campus.

945 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:06:49am

re: #928 turn

It would be a blast the see her sing karaoke in a Scottish pup after downing a couple pints of beer, she would probably really wail

You mean one of these pups?

946 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:06:56am

re: #899 Kenneth

Great clip. Thanks for posting.
She is right on the money. Truly living the American dream.

947 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:21am

re: #925 Kosh's Shadow

Also, it looks like a big defense supplier, Textron, is getting bought by the Arabs.
Israel is concerned.

That is NOT good news. Bell Helicopter here in Fort Worth is part of Textron.

948 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:22am

re: #918 Occasional Reader

I live in DC, and go frequently to NYC. So, yes, I'm familiar with the joys of Amtrak. The Acela looks fairly nice, but is kind of a fake "high speed" line; it's almost always at least somewhat late, so it actually saves you little time over the "express" regular NE Corridor service... assuming THAT'S on time.

The DC/New York corridor is currently the pinnacle of American rail service. Quality plummets elsewhere, if you can believe it.

949 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:36am

re: #912 Lincolntf

Anyone heard about the "Craigslist killer" in Boston/R.I.? Creepy.

I read that article Drudge had up this morning. One woman got robbed, she posted private dance lessons on craigslist. turn understood this to mean she was a prostitute and her husband came home and interrupted the robbery. wtf? That was strange, he was married to a prostitute?

950 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:37am

re: #927 lawhawk

And it's not worth the price premium they put on it - since you only gain a 30 minute benefit over the standard service on much of the NE corridor.

It can be sort of worth it, on holiday weekends; they tend to be delayed less frequently than the regular NE Corridor service.

951 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:50am

re: #904 Ward Cleaver

It's about time we wound down the flamewar over the tea parties.

Okay. It just really pisses me off that some folks, and yes I am talking to you Killgore, sat out the election because McCain was not 100% of what they wanted and now we have this jackass socialist running OUR counrtry. Those folks want to sit on the sidelines and poke fun at others that are trying to make a difference. Flame off.

952 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:07:51am

re: #943 Ward Cleaver

Imagine that beauty under shari'a. God bless the West.

953 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:08:42am

re: #811 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - how does it feel to be even FURTHER BEHIND THE FRENCH in using nuclear power plants? The French get over 70% of their electrical power from nuclear reactors. I doubt that the US could reach that % in 50 years or more, especially since we won't even try with the Leftists in power.

954 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:08:46am

re: #925 Kosh's Shadow

Also, it looks like a big defense supplier, Textron, is getting bought by the Arabs.
Israel is concerned.

Holy shit.

955 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #949 turn

That's what the Herald story seems to say. But I think they were in a hotel and the husband was more of a pimp.

956 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:09:34am

re: #948 SixDegrees

The DC/New York corridor is currently the pinnacle of American rail service. Quality plummets elsewhere, if you can believe it.

The big reason is that the DC/Boston corridor is the only place in the US that is dense enough to have that kind of passenger rail traffic. Now for freight rail traffic, visit Chicago sometime. The yards in and around Chicago are the pinnacle of America's freight rail system.

957 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:09:46am

re: #932 Ward Cleaver

I've read many articles in the past about the ingenuity that Cubans have used to keep their American iron running, given the inability to get spare parts. During the Soviet era, most preferred to keep their old American cars, rather than trade for Ladas.

If we opened the door just a bit, I'd predict all things American would be in demand. Music, clothing, cars, restaurants, the works. In the early 70's I worked with Cubans at Gitmo, and they passed through the gate from the Commie side daily. Even then, they were hoping for better relations to lessen Casto's grip.

958 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:06am

re: #945 Kenneth

You mean one of these pups?

oh shit, turn screwed up on his first post. Ha!

959 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:07am

re: #948 SixDegrees

The DC/New York corridor is currently the pinnacle of American rail service. Quality plummets elsewhere, if you can believe it.

Oh, I can believe it. As I'm sitting there on a half-hour-delayed Acela, I'm thinking "AND THIS IS THE JEWEL IN THE CROWN. THE JEWEL, IN THE F**KING CROWN."

960 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:21am

re: #917 avanti

I've shipped Studebaker's to Japan, France, Belgium, Sweden and Mexico. I think the parts market for old car parts in Cuba would be very large. I can imagine a very large market for excess US used cars too. A Cuban would love a $500 1979 Buick to wheel around in.

I bought this '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass for parts, and after using what I wanted had the rest of the car to get rid of. On a whim, I looked up a couple of Oldsmobile owner sites and let them know that I had parts available. Within two months I had sold and shipped enough parts that I had made my initial purchase price back two-fold.

No matter what it is, someone somewhere out there wants to have it.

961 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:25am

re: #812 Ojoe
Ojoe my friend, I believe you, but must also tell you that he won't be perceived as a gentle soul once Obama and the Dems get through working over the image of the Veterans in Iraq and Afghanistan.

962 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:28am

re: #956 Honorary Yooper

The big reason is that the DC/Boston corridor is the only place in the US that is dense enough to have that kind of passenger rail traffic. Now for freight rail traffic, visit Chicago sometime. The yards in and around Chicago are the pinnacle of America's freight rail system.

You said it!

963 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:46am

re: #945 Kenneth

You mean one of these pups?

Man that's a cute picture

964 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:10:56am

re: #956 Honorary Yooper

The big reason is that the DC/Boston corridor is the only place in the US that is dense enough to have that kind of passenger rail traffic.

Hey! U tayk dat bak!

965 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:07am

re: #933 redstateredneck

I'd be very grateful.

Thank you

966 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:19am

re: #949 turn

I read that article Drudge had up this morning. One woman got robbed, she posted private dance lessons on craigslist. turn understood this to mean she was a prostitute and her husband came home and interrupted the robbery. wtf? That was strange, he was married to a prostitute?

Craigslist killer guilty on all counts
By Emily Kaiser in Crime
Wednesday, Apr. 1 2009 @ 8:45AM
Michael Anderson, the 20-year-old man accused of killing a woman he lured to his Savage home with a fake Craigslist ad for a babysitter, has been found guilty of all charges by a jury.

Also creepy!
[Link: blogs.citypages.com...]

967 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:22am
968 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:31am

re: #864 Afrocity

Michael Steele was at a tea party too.

If anyone has any tea party pics with African Americans please send them to me and I will send them to Michael Savage.

I wrote over $4,000 check to IRS this week. So I do pay taxes.

I know nothing about this blog, but I found this digging around yesterday, looking at various Tea Party pictures from around the country. I love this one.

969 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:36am

re: #959 Occasional Reader

Oh, I can believe it. As I'm sitting there on a half-hour-delayed Acela, I'm thinking "AND THIS IS THE JEWEL IN THE CROWN. THE JEWEL, IN THE F**KING CROWN."

I usually love taking the Acela to NY or DC from Philly. What's up today?

970 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #941 Iron Fist

You know, I've always wondered about the Left-wing "pacifists" that talk like they are eager to get to the hot part of Civil War II. The ones who don't own guns (guns are ickey) and don't know how to use a knife really crack me up. There's got to be a better way to commit suicide than starting a war with the people who do own guns and know knifework.

From IAMO...Frank J.

I know I’m supposed to be all angry that the DHS seemed to focus a lot more on right-wing extremists than left-wing extremists, but who is more of a threat if they suddenly decide to get violent? The left is a bunch of impotent sissies; on their best days they could never aspire to be anything more than a pest. In fact, the right could easily wipe out the left any time we felt like it. That’s objective proof right there that the right is infinitely more tolerant than the left: Each day we make a conscious decision to let the left continue to exist. It’s really rather magnanimous of us.

Hey, we’re nice guys… if maybe a little extreme.

971 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #953 realwest

Good morning O.R. - how does it feel to be even FURTHER BEHIND THE FRENCH in using nuclear power plants? The French get over 70% of their electrical power from nuclear reactors. I doubt that the US could reach that % in 50 years or more, especially since we won't even try with the Leftists in power.

The amount of electricity derived from nuclear power also varies widely from state to state. Illinois is one of the few states that has a nuclear power system that resembles France. Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sold on it as we pay some of the highest electric bills in the US.

972 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:11:57am

re: #942 MandyManners

its all being done by JAG.

973 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:14am

re: #927 lawhawk

And it's not worth the price premium they put on it - since you only gain a 30 minute benefit over the standard service on much of the NE corridor.

What they do to get you on Acela is to run them at the times you want to take the train.
Want to go from Boston to NY, get there before 6 and leave after noon?
No regionals, only express. Similar for the return trip.
If you have a more flexible schedule, the regionals are fine; they are almost as comfortable and have the same service quality.
(When we go to NY, we need to board the dogs and then get from north central Mass to Norwood where the train station is, and we want to get to NY in time to get to the hotel and have dinner. Thus, the schedule I gave above. Going home, we can't make it to the boarder before they close unless we get up really early.)

974 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:22am

re: #954 Occasional Reader

Holy shit.

I can't believe that DoD and DoJ wouldn't just scream about this deal. This can't go through.

975 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:23am

re: #953 realwest

Good morning O.R. - how does it feel to be even FURTHER BEHIND THE FRENCH in using nuclear power plants? The French get over 70% of their electrical power from nuclear reactors. I doubt that the US could reach that % in 50 years or more, especially since we won't even try with the Leftists in power.

Well... at least we still have a commanding lead in personal hygiene, I guess?

976 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #955 Lincolntf

That's what the Herald story seems to say. But I think they were in a hotel and the husband was more of a pimp.

oh, that surveilance pic did look like a hotel come to think about it. Husbands pimping out their wives, I wonder how often that happens.

977 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:54am

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this warm and sunny day?

978 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:12:57am

Pakistan Rehearses Its Two-Step on Airstrikes

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — With two senior American officials at his side, the Pakistani foreign minister unleashed a strong rebuke last week, saying that American drone strikes against militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas were eroding trust between the allies.

The Americans, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, and the special envoy, Richard C. Holbrooke, defended their strategy for Pakistan. Later, Mr. Holbrooke dismissed the salvo by the foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, saying it was to be expected.

In fact, both sides have grown accustomed to an unusual diplomatic dance around the drones. For all their public protests, behind the scenes, Pakistani officials may countenance the drones more than Mr. Qureshi’s reprimand would suggest, Pakistan and American analysts and officials say.

Why else would Pakistani military officials be requesting that the United States give them the drones to operate, asked Prof. Riffat Hussain, of the defense studies department at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad.

His answer is that senior Pakistani officials consider the drones one of their only effective tools against the militants.

979 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:13:08am

re: #818 Kosh's Shadow

You forgot one - they want to discourage people from joining the military in the first place.

Well you're right my friend, sorta forgot that and also, subconsciously, was thinking of Rangel's tax problems and his (still extant) call for a return to the Draft. Wow, some way to cut down on unemployment, eh?

980 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #925 Kosh's Shadow

Also, it looks like a big defense supplier, Textron, is getting bought by the Arabs.
Israel is concerned.

[RAISED EYEBROWS]

981 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:13:55am

re: #969 VioletTiger

I usually love taking the Acela to NY or DC from Philly. What's up today?

No, I'm not talking about today, just in general. For being the pride and joy of Amtrak, Acela is... not all that great. Often better than the alternatives, but it could be so much more.

982 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:14:02am

re: #951 VegasRick

If you continue to associate with Paulians and neo-nazis I will continue to point it out. That's not my problem. Don't expect me to sweep this under the rug for you because it's not gonna happen.

983 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #907 Russkilitlover

That was a deliberate distortion of the data--the DOJ did a Sex Panther with the numbers

The story is that:

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

984 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:14:33am

Wow, that is some bizarre ankle-biting.

985 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:14:46am

re: #913 lawhawk

I'd take a bare-bones AMTRAK website and good reliable service any day. We get neither.

The big problem with AMTRAK is ownership of the lines. When AMTRAK was created, they purchased the assets of a bankrupt railroad in the northeast. That belongs to them, free and clear, and they can (usually) maintain their schedule.

Everywhere else, they had a decision to make: build track, or rent the right to use existing track. Building track would make the system very limited for years to come and prices high to pay for construction. Renting would have the system up in very little time. But the track owners said that if we rent to you, our trains have first priority: They go first if we're ever going to use the same track. So AMTRAK often has to just stop for a while, or pull onto a siding.

AMTRAK is great if you aren't in a hurry or just spending you vacation seeing the country. But if you have to be at place X at time Y, it's pretty much useless.

986 Macker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:01am

re: #982 Killgore Trout

We actually have Ronulans here?

/

987 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:05am

re: #966 Dustyvet

You know I've never advertised on craigslist but I'm about to list my cottage for rent there. I'm going to have to take extra precautions since the turnwife will probably be the one showing the place.

988 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:07am

re: #960 razorbacker

I bought this '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass for parts, and after using what I wanted had the rest of the car to get rid of. On a whim, I looked up a couple of Oldsmobile owner sites and let them know that I had parts available. Within two months I had sold and shipped enough parts that I had made my initial purchase price back two-fold.

No matter what it is, someone somewhere out there wants to have it.

Ebay has made that possible. I can buy a $2000 parts car, and in a few months more then double or triple my money.

989 Sheepdogess  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:17am

This is very, very, bad for the future of America...

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

990 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:21am
991 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:26am

re: #986 Macker

We actually have Ronulans here?

/

If we don't, we can have some made, I am sure.

992 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:49am

re: #956 Honorary Yooper

The big reason is that the DC/Boston corridor is the only place in the US that is dense enough to have that kind of passenger rail traffic. Now for freight rail traffic, visit Chicago sometime. The yards in and around Chicago are the pinnacle of America's freight rail system.

True. But we don't use rail for freight anywhere near as much as we should, thanks to the Teamsters. It's a pity; rail is a lot more energy efficient - read "cheaper" - than semis for long distance hauling.

You're correct about population density and distance. You aren't going to convert the coast-to-coast flyers to switch over to rail no matter how fast you make the trains. For shorter hops, though, rail makes a log of sense - assuming there's enough demand to fill the cars reasonably full. It works fine when you're trying to cover an area the size of, say, France. And right now, air travel is cheap, cheap, cheap. Rail can't compete, at least not at the moment. Even Europe is ramping up internal air travel, despite their much more developed rail system.

993 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:50am

re: #944 OldLineTexan

HA! "Law day" at my high school meant the drug dog was on campus.

I'm wondering based on stuff I've read this morning about the American Constitution Society's efforts to propagate their views in classrooms.

With an eye toward cultivating ever-new generations of leftists in the future, ACS has developed a "Constitution in the Classroom" program whereby volunteers, under the banner of "education," indoctrinate young students across the United States.

994 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:15:50am

Has anyone "seen" ymo around lately?

995 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:16:06am
996 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:16:12am

re: #986 Macker

We actually have Ronulans here?

/


I'm not sure..They refuse to turn their cloaking device off..

997 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:16:19am

re: #977 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this warm and sunny day?

Beautiful day in Louisville! Are you coming down for Thunder over Louisville. They expect a crowd of 600,000. Wow!

998 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:16:33am

re: #982 Killgore Trout

If you continue to associate with Paulians and neo-nazis

Good grief.

So I guess on Wednesday, an estimated 200,000 Americans "associated with Paulians and neo-nazis", is that your story?

999 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:16:41am

re: #968 capitalist piglet

I love it cap! Thanks.

1000 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:17:11am

re: #981 Occasional Reader

No, I'm not talking about today, just in general. For being the pride and joy of Amtrak, Acela is... not all that great. Often better than the alternatives, but it could be so much more.


Probably not as good as many European lines, but we don't have the ridership they do, either. And at least we don't see young gypsy boys blowing trumpets for handouts at 7 AM here (saw that in Italy).

1001 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:17:23am

re: #986 Macker

Set Phasers to "Educate". If that doesn't work, set them to "Deride".

1002 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:17:40am

re: #998 Occasional Reader

Good grief.

So I guess on Wednesday, an estimated 200,000 Americans "associated with Paulians and neo-nazis", is that your story?

It does seem to have become a theme.

But I'm at my ankle quota for now. Auf wiedersehen!

/

1003 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:17:58am

re: #972 HHC 2-2 SCR

its all being done by JAG.

Judge Advocate General?

1004 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:17:59am

re: #991 OldLineTexan

If we don't, we can have some made, I am sure.

That's the other thing that encourages me. If you continue to deny the reality that Paulians and other assorted nuts are very involved in the organizing and promoting of Tea Parties I will continue to provide evidence. I've yet to see any of this refuted, you guys are just pissed because I'm pointing it out.

1005 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:18:03am

Guess who supports the drome attacks on Al Qaeda in Pakistan?

One intriguing aspect of the drone attacks is that people living in the tribal region under the militants’ grip may be more accepting of them than other Pakistanis, according to a recent but limited survey.

The Daily Times said local reporters from Orakzai, a tribal area recently hit by a drone strike, found that the people “would actually want the drone attacks to continue to lessen the severity of the Tehrik-e-Taliban control over them.”

One reason the drone attacks received support in the tribal region is that they mostly single out Qaeda leaders who are of Arab descent, Professor Hussain said.

The Arabs are widely disliked by the Pashtun tribes that dominate the area because they try to enforce their strict Wahhabi version of Islam, Professor Hussain said.

The missile strikes do feed the militants’ propaganda machine, he said. “But if the drone attacks stopped,” he added, “I wouldn’t be sure that they would refrain from the terror attacks they have been doing all along.”

Carry on.

1006 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:18:07am
1007 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:18:32am

I got a link on facebook from my brother-in-law to a rather nice weatherstation in Erie, CO.

Lizards living in the area might be interested. The data looks accurate!

1008 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:19:19am

re: #982 Killgore Trout

If you continue to associate with Paulians and neo-nazis I will continue to point it out. That's not my problem. Don't expect me to sweep this under the rug for you because it's not gonna happen.

Going to one of the "Tea Parties" does NOT qualify as "associating with Paulians and neo-nazis". Keep posting your bullshit KT, let the adults take care of the problem.

1009 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:19:20am

re: #977 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this warm and sunny day?

For some reason, I'm pretty serious today.

1010 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:19:36am
1011 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:19:51am
1012 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:02am

re: #989 Sheepdogess

This is very, very, bad for the future of America...

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

Noted upthread. We need to make LOTS of noise about this. The Brooks appointment needs to end up in the same trashbin of history as the Charles Freeman appointment.

1013 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #996 HoosierHoops

I'm not sure..They refuse to turn their cloaking device off..

Are they leaving an ion signature? If so, Bones and Scotty will do surgery on a photon torpedo and light those B'tards up!

1014 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:09am

re: #1001 calcajun

Set Phasers to "Educate". If that doesn't work, set them to "Deride".

Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor not a math teacher!

/S

1015 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:51am

re: #1004 Killgore Trout

That's the other thing that encourages me. If you continue to deny the reality that Paulians and other assorted nuts are very involved in the organizing and promoting of Tea Parties I will continue to provide evidence. I've yet to see any of this refuted, you guys are just pissed because I'm pointing it out.

Wrong again. But do keep stuffing words in my mouth while I try to point out your hyperbole. You are damaging your argument in much the same way you accuse others of doing.

Of course they are nuts. It has been stated over and over to your apparently deaf ears. But there are a lot of people in this NOW that are not nuts.

It's great to ring the alarm bell. It's not so great to cry WOLF! TEA PARTY!, IMO, and use third-grade associative logic.

But to each his own.

1016 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:56am

re: #995 taxfreekiller

That's your good mood?

An EMP attack is scary stuff.

1017 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:20:56am

re: #997 KenJen

Beautiful day in Louisville! Are you coming down for Thunder over Louisville. They expect a crowd of 600,000. Wow!


Wow! 600,000 people? It's only 90 minutes to louisville..When is the date?
Me and a couple buddies should come down and party down with you folks

1018 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:30am

re: #1003 MandyManners

that would be them. This is the first time in 3 years that it hasn't been the MP's coming in and talking about the DARE program. This is a new one for me.

1019 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #1000 VioletTiger

Probably not as good as many European lines, but we don't have the ridership they do, either. And at least we don't see young gypsy boys blowing trumpets for handouts at 7 AM here (saw that in Italy).

Kind of a chicken/egg question there, of course. If we had TGV-type service between, say, DC, NYC and Boston, I think it would be a smash hit. Ditto along the California coast, etc.

1020 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #998 Occasional Reader

That's not accurate. What is happening is that the Paul supporters are co-opting the Tea Party message--and that is the way the media is manipulating the image. This is what happens when one group is allowed to control the message--the whole party gets painted with the loony brush.

1021 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:42am

Well the HOPE bubbe has burst and Nauomi Klien is in full flagalletory mode.

Obama and the rhetoric of Hope

All is not well in Obamafanland. It's not clear exactly what accounts for the change of mood. Maybe it was the rancid smell emanating from the US treasury's latest bank bailout. Or the news that the president's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, earned millions from the very Wall Street banks and hedge funds he is protecting from re-regulation now. Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.

Whatever the last straw, a growing number of Obama enthusiasts are starting to entertain the possibility that their man is not, in fact, going to save the world if we all just hope really hard. This is a good thing. If the superfan culture that brought Obama to power is going to transform itself into an independent political movement, one fierce enough to produce programmes capable of meeting the current crises, we are all going to have to stop hoping and start demanding.

1022 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:44am
1023 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:47am

re: #983 calcajun

And the distortion is repeated until cemented. I'm getting a bump on my head from banging it against the wall so often!

F*cking MSM is a cheap hooker to this entire administration.

1024 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #1004 Killgore Trout

We've all given detailed accounts of exactly what the Tea Parties are like. You've followed Internet chatter to draw the conclusion that Ron Paul's website is right and that everyone else is wrong.
For the umpteenth time, there was zero involvement (from an Internet or real world angle) from Ron Paul in my local Tea Party. I think the same is true for the vast majority of the other people who went to one.
When you talk about the "Tea Parties", you're talking about something that nobody who has been to one would recognize.

1025 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:21:57am

re: #995 taxfreekiller

while I'm in a good mood

[Link:

1026 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:22:18am

re: #994 Russkilitlover

Has anyone "seen" ymo around lately?

Now that I think about it, no. Where is she?

1027 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:22:24am

re: #864 Afrocity

Michael Steele was at a tea party too.

If anyone has any tea party pics with African Americans please send them to me and I will send them to Michael Savage.

I wrote over $4,000 check to IRS this week. So I do pay taxes.


Uh, that's gonna really smart if that check bounces!
Just sayin...
/
Actual voice of experience - it did happen to me (but for less that $4,000)!

1028 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:22:30am

Ron Paul's new book should be of interest to the Tea Partiers...
End the Fed (Hardcover)
by Ron Paul

It's a popular theme at the protests. The Nazis at Stormfront are giving it rave reviews.

1029 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:23:41am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

Noted upthread. We need to make LOTS of noise about this. The Brooks appointment needs to end up in the same trashbin of history as the Charles Freeman appointment.

Didja' see my posts about her? About her mom? Brooks is a red-diaper baby.

1030 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:23:44am
1031 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:23:47am

re: #965 HHC 2-2 SCR

I'd be very grateful.

Thank you


Here you are.

1032 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #1024 Lincolntf


For the umpteenth time, there was zero involvement (from an Internet or real world angle) from Ron Paul in my local Tea Party.


That's the denial that motivates me. Thanks.

1033 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:24:01am

re: #868 VioletTiger

I did write a polite, but pointed, letter to Glenn Beck. I still need to figure out where to send it. Basically, I told him that his response to criticism and the response it generated, was proof that the criticism is valid. These guys need to understand that they have a bully pulpit, and what they say and do can have a significant reaction in the slightly off segments of our population.


GOOD FOR YOU! I'd suggest sending it to him, marked personal and confidential, at Fox News!

1034 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:24:35am

re: #1026 MandyManners

Now that I think about it, no. Where is she?

You are right..Haven't seen her since last Saturday morning..

1035 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:24:40am

re: #1016 Kenneth

That's your good mood?

An EMP attack is scary stuff.

My pacemaker tech once casually mentioned "The EMP effects from a nuclear explosion will cause your pacemaker to malfunction." I'm sitting there thinking if there are nuclear explosions going on, my pacemaker is probably the least of my problems!

1036 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:25:03am

re: #1018 HHC 2-2 SCR

that would be them. This is the first time in 3 years that it hasn't been the MP's coming in and talking about the DARE program. This is a new one for me.

I take it that she attends a school on a military post.

1037 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:25:09am
1038 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:25:36am

re: #989 Sheepdogess

This is very, very, bad for the future of America...

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

From your link:

She further argued that "with so many thousands dead, and so many thousands more embittered, 'winning' isn't really on the table anymore. The only question now is whether we can mitigate the damage."

VILE!

1039 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:25:41am

re: #1035 SteveC

My pacemaker tech once casually mentioned "The EMP effects from a nuclear explosion will cause your pacemaker to malfunction." I'm sitting there thinking if there are nuclear explosions going on, my pacemaker is probably the least of my problems!

Were do you live?

1040 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:25:41am

re: #983 calcajun

That was a deliberate distortion of the data--the DOJ did a Sex Panther with the numbers

The story is that:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It sounds like everyone is fudging the numbers. You can't assume the guns not submitted for tracing were not from USA. I had read that the guns not submitted were older military and the like and they were trying to trace the new weapons. When you think about it, most of the weapons would naturally come from the US. , but many were old USA military units from Mexico and South America.
The point they were trying to make is the bulk of the modern weapons are coming in from the US, not China or Europe.

1041 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #1028 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul's new book should be of interest to the Tea Partiers...
End the Fed (Hardcover)
by Ron Paul

It's a popular theme at the protests. The Nazis at Stormfront are giving it rave reviews.

Ron Paul is nuts.

Nazis are bad.

Agreed.

Got anything else?

1042 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:26:14am

re: #1020 calcajun

That's not accurate. What is happening is that the Paul supporters are co-opting the Tea Party message--and that is the way the media is manipulating the image. This is what happens when one group is allowed to control the message--the whole party gets painted with the loony brush.

I've yet to see one bit of reporting from the MFM that highlighs Ron Paul. Is there any?

1043 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:26:55am

There is a reason that prudence dictates that you should be nice to those you meet.

A few years back I had occassion to throw a young fellow off my property. Not to go into the details, but I had become disenchanted with certain of his views regarding private property.

The lad has been working as a stone-mason for the last two years. I ran into him yesterday and looking at his arms and shoulders I'd hate to have to throw him off of anything now. But he came up all 'hail-fellow-well-met' and showed not the slightest pique at my past actions.

1044 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:14am

re: #1032 Killgore Trout

That's the denial that motivates me. Thanks.

You're allowing yourself to be blinded to the observations other lizards have made. Pardon me, Killgore, but blinding yourself is denial. Lincolntf stated what he saw, and you put words in his mouth, saying he is in denial. I don't think anyone is denying that there is a Paulian influence, or that Paulians were involved, but you are in denial about what these lizards saw.

1045 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:17am

re: #1041 Occasional Reader

Agreed.


Agreed.


Got anything else?


Not at the moment but thanks for asking.

1046 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:20am

re: #1039 Nevergiveup

Were do you live?

I live in South Carolina. My pacemaker is monitored through Emory University Hospital in Atlanta.

1047 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:29am

re: #992 SixDegrees

True. But we don't use rail for freight anywhere near as much as we should, thanks to the Teamsters. It's a pity; rail is a lot more energy efficient - read "cheaper" - than semis for long distance hauling.

You're correct about population density and distance. You aren't going to convert the coast-to-coast flyers to switch over to rail no matter how fast you make the trains. For shorter hops, though, rail makes a log of sense - assuming there's enough demand to fill the cars reasonably full. It works fine when you're trying to cover an area the size of, say, France. And right now, air travel is cheap, cheap, cheap. Rail can't compete, at least not at the moment. Even Europe is ramping up internal air travel, despite their much more developed rail system.

We're using rail for freight more and more. Even unionized companies like UPS now use it heavily. But it took the railroads a lot of work to get reliable schedules; if UPS wants their trailers from LA to NY in 2 days, they'll cancel the contract if they aren't there.
Of course, intermodal (trailer on flatcar, and containerization), has made it all practical. Take a container to the rail yard, ship it long distance, and load the same container on another truck for delivery; no inefficient unloading and loading of boxcars.
On the other hand, hobos don't have anywhere to sleep in container cars with sealed containers.

1048 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:32am

re: #1032 Killgore Trout

That's the denial that motivates me. Thanks.

Now, tell us about that noted white supremacist, Michael Steele. (See Afrocity #864)

1049 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:44am
1050 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:53am

So what would be the perfect way for people who are concerned about taxes, who would like to hear local citizens discuss the issues, to hold those meetings? Rent big meeting room? And who would do the honors of screening people for their political ideology to keep the untouchables like the Paulians - out?

I have been a community organizer, starting a neighborhood association, and it's impossible to screen people prior to there being any reason for concern about any one individual.

1051 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:27:55am
1052 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:06am

re: #1008 VegasRick

Going to one of the "Tea Parties" does NOT qualify as "associating with Paulians and neo-nazis". Keep posting your bullshit KT, let the adults take care of the problem.

Why does K.T associate with Lizards who apparently associate with neo-nazis and Paulians?

1053 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:10am

re: #1023 Russkilitlover

And the distortion is repeated until cemented. I'm getting a bump on my head from banging it against the wall so often!

F*cking MSM is a cheap hooker to this entire administration.

What's a sex panther russ?

1054 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:16am

re: #886 turn
I am feeling pretty good today, thank you very much!

1055 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:24am

re: #1032 Killgore Trout

That's the denial that motivates me. Thanks.

Are you stating that EVERY protest was organized by Paulians? Do you have evidence?

1056 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:35am

re: #1011 taxfreekiller

Then there is that Walter guy in Colorado,

Hell he could even get film of the 12" of snow there in Colorado today

where do you sweep snow, or should we just let it all melt

I'm the "jwb" guy 25 miles north of the "Walter guy".
The snow we're getting at the moment is not the sweepable kind, so I'm just going to let it melt.
12 miles northeast of me, the weather looks like this

... and apparently, portions of I-25 are closed.
To be completely precise, the Weather Bureau predicts 5 to 30 inches of global warming. There's a good chance they'll accurately hit that narrow range ...

1057 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:28:44am

My stupid golf clubs keep calling me on my cell...
'It's 70 and sunny out hoopster..Just do it..do it..I'll buy you a beer..Shut off the computer now!'

1058 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:29:09am

re: #1040 avanti

It sounds like everyone is fudging the numbers. You can't assume the guns not submitted for tracing were not from USA. I had read that the guns not submitted were older military and the like and they were trying to trace the new weapons. When you think about it, most of the weapons would naturally come from the US. , but many were old USA military units from Mexico and South America.
The point they were trying to make is the bulk of the modern weapons are coming in from the US, not China or Europe.

So what? Guns are still legal in this country. If the Mexican's are co-opting our freedoms to get a hold of guns to use for illegal activities, then punish them, get something going with the Mexican government, stop THEM.

The point is, you are a wuss.

1059 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:29:32am

re: #983 calcajun

That was a deliberate distortion of the data--the DOJ did a Sex Panther with the numbers

Did a WHAT?

I am not familiar with this particular bit of hip internet lingo!

1060 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #1028 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul's new book should be of interest to the Tea Partiers...
End the Fed (Hardcover)
by Ron Paul

It's a popular theme at the protests. The Nazis at Stormfront are giving it rave reviews.

Why do you keep going to Stormfront? Are you associating with them? Or does an individual's personal motivation actually matter?

I hope you see the point I am making.

1061 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:29:42am

re: #1046 SteveC

I live in South Carolina. My pacemaker is monitored through Emory University Hospital in Atlanta.

Well if your anywhere near Charleston Naval Weapons Center, you are probably right that you'll go in the first strike. So Don't worry about them EMPs.

1062 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:29:45am

re: #1025 turn

wtf turn? jeese

I typed "I'd hate to see you post on a bad day"

1063 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:02am

Solar Tea Party
Tea for the Taliban
Chai for Alqaeda
Ice Tea for Islamists
Darjeeling with DunkinDonuts
Earl Gray for GITMOs

New & improved, without open handed slaps, sleep deprivation, air conditioning, loud music or waterboarding!

CNN would approve.

1064 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:05am

re: #993 MandyManners

With what I know out here, the SD District does not have a strong "Civics" program in the schools so I wonder how the ACS would play here. What is good that the Scouts' Citizenship in the Community, Nation and World merit badges get the Scouts to learn for themselves how the system works and how it came to be that way.

The scary part is that history is not part of any public school curriculum until the 8th grade and even then its is "world history".

1065 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:20am

re: #1049 taxfreekiller

avanti

they are not giving you very good talking points
get better producers of hack info!

There is no "they", just me on the couch with my buddy Mr Google.

1066 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:43am
1067 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:51am

re: #1032 Killgore Trout

Something has to be motivating you. Again, ZERO Paulians at my Tea Party. Not organized or connected to Ron Paul in any way. Deny that.
Sorry if you and your buddies at Stormfront have a different take.

1068 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:30:51am

re: #1036 MandyManners

I take it that she attends a school on a military post.

yes she does.
Now I just got to figure out something a ten year old can relate to about Lincoln and the policies of today, without my political viewpoints coming into play or revising the way Lincoln thought to make it "feel good"

1069 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #1051 Iron Fist

Holder should have never been allowed to take office. It is absolutely crazy putting a man with his record over the Justice department. Maybe they should go ahead and just put full Presidential Pardons on EBay. Cut out the middle-man. Especially since he's going to be busy trying to find a way to violate the Second Amendment rights of as many citizens as he can. That is going to take a modicum of skill. With dishonesty as one of the major ingrediants of his policy to boot. Consistant dishonesty can be a difficult to manage. You forget which lie you told to whom, and wind up telling the wrong lie to the wrong person, and then you are busted.

Did you see my post with the link to what Holder said about the ACS?

In June 2008, ACS Board of Advisors member Eric Holder, whom president-elect Barack Obama would name as his top choice for Attorney General five months later, spoke at an ACS convention. Predicting an Obama victory in the November election, Holder told his audience that the U.S. would soon be "run by progressives." "With this new administration that will be taking its place in January of 2009," he elaborated, "… we are going to be looking for people who share our values." A "substantial number of those people" were likely to be ACS members, added Holder.

1070 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:31:31am

re: #1065 avanti

There is no "they", just me on the couch with my buddy Mr Google.

That comment is SO open to... never mind...

1072 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:31:43am

re: #1019 Occasional Reader

Kind of a chicken/egg question there, of course. If we had TGV-type service between, say, DC, NYC and Boston, I think it would be a smash hit. Ditto along the California coast, etc.

We do have train service along the California coast. Not all of it. I could not imagine the cost of engineering a rail system along Big Sur, for instance. But between Santa Barbara and San Diego, it's a pretty good service. Trouble is, like all things in California. Once you get off the train, you need other transportation to get to where you really want to go. Taxis are very expensive and buses...well...they've kind of become homeless shelters.

1073 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:31:55am

re: #1054 realwest

I am feeling pretty good today, thank you very much!

In honor of your feeling good.

1074 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:32:06am

re: #1044 Honorary Yooper

I haven't refuted anyone's personal experience. I can't do that. They see what they see. If people check out the local Tea Parties and feel comfortable going that's fine by me. However, if you try to tell me these are parties aren't organized by Paulians , Lew Rockwell creeps and promoted at Stormfront then I'm going to provide counter evidence.

1075 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:32:09am

re: #1052 KenJen

Why does K.T associate with Lizards who apparently associate with neo-nazis and Paulians?

He is going to fix all of our wrong thinking.

1076 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #1017 HoosierHoops

Wow! 600,000 people? It's only 90 minutes to louisville..When is the date?
Me and a couple buddies should come down and party down with you folks

Tomorrow. Air show all day. Largest fireworks display in North America at night-obviously. Cute buddies? I'm single.

1077 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:32:17am

re: #1060 capitalist piglet

Why do you keep going to Stormfront? Are you associating with them?

Heh.

1078 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:32:55am

re: #1064 calcajun

With what I know out here, the SD District does not have a strong "Civics" program in the schools so I wonder how the ACS would play here. What is good that the Scouts' Citizenship in the Community, Nation and World merit badges get the Scouts to learn for themselves how the system works and how it came to be that way.

The scary part is that history is not part of any public school curriculum until the 8th grade and even then its is "world history".

WTF? The Kid's been learning history since the first grade!

1079 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #1068 HHC 2-2 SCR

yes she does.
Now I just got to figure out something a ten year old can relate to about Lincoln and the policies of today, without my political viewpoints coming into play or revising the way Lincoln thought to make it "feel good"

You can't go wrong with the Gettysburg address and something about brave men not dying in vain.

1080 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:33:32am

re: #1065 avanti

There is no "they", just me on the couch with my buddy Mr Google.

Your sex life sounds...well...interesting.

1082 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:33:43am

Now, this is something I can get behind. Brazilian models have competition from Israelis.

It's a competition where we all win.

/did someone call for a booby thread?

1083 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:33:43am

re: #1041 Occasional Reader

Ron Paul is nuts.

Nazis are bad.

Agreed.

Got anything else?

Even Ron Paul & Nazis probably think that water is wet.

1084 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:33:56am

re: #1014 Dustyvet

Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor not a math teacher!

/S

Bones...it's ...im-portant..that we keep...trying. We... MUST get through. (how DOES one convey Shatner-speak into the written word?)

1085 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:01am

re: #1068 HHC 2-2 SCR

yes she does.
Now I just got to figure out something a ten year old can relate to about Lincoln and the policies of today, without my political viewpoints coming into play or revising the way Lincoln thought to make it "feel good"


I have no idea how to make that work. Good luck.

1086 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:18am

re: #1057 HoosierHoops

My stupid golf clubs keep calling me on my cell...
'It's 70 and sunny out hoopster..Just do it..do it..I'll buy you a beer..Shut off the computer now!'

Them some hellacious clubs... can use the phone and have their own bank account!

1087 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:19am

The President Ties His Own Hands on Terror by Gen. Michael Hayden Michael Mukasey.
The point of interrogation is intelligence, not confession.


The Obama administration has declassified and released opinions of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) given in 2005 and earlier that analyze the legality of interrogation techniques authorized for use by the CIA. Those techniques were applied only when expressly permitted by the director, and are described in these opinions in detail, along with their limits and the safeguards applied to them.

The release of these opinions was unnecessary as a legal matter, and is unsound as a matter of policy. Its effect will be to invite the kind of institutional timidity and fear of recrimination that weakened intelligence gathering in the past, and that we came sorely to regret on Sept. 11, 2001.

Proponents of the release have argued that the techniques have been abandoned and thus there is no point in keeping them secret any longer; that they were in any event ineffective; that their disclosure was somehow legally compelled; and that they cost us more in the coin of world opinion than they were worth. None of these claims survives scrutiny.

By allowing this disclosure, President Obama has tied not only his own hands but also the hands of any future administration faced with the prospect of attack...

The terrorist Abu Zubaydah ...disclosed some information voluntarily. But he was coerced into disclosing information that led to the capture of Ramzi bin al Shibh, another of the planners of Sept. 11, who in turn disclosed information which -- when combined with what was learned from Abu Zubaydah -- helped lead to the capture of KSM and other senior terrorists, and the disruption of follow-on plots aimed at both Europe and the U.S. Details of these successes, and the methods used to obtain them, were disclosed repeatedly in more than 30 congressional briefings and hearings beginning in 2002, and open to all members of the Intelligence Committees of both Houses of Congress beginning in September 2006. Any protestation of ignorance of those details, particularly by members of those committees, is pretense.

RTWFT!

1088 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:38am

re: #1068 HHC 2-2 SCR

yes she does.
Now I just got to figure out something a ten year old can relate to about Lincoln and the policies of today, without my political viewpoints coming into play or revising the way Lincoln thought to make it "feel good"

Wait a second. Could you point out that Lincoln was a Republican?

1089 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:39am

Let's see it.
Winston-Salem Tea Party 12 PM, April 15th, 2009. Show me the Paulian/Nazi connection.
And no, just because someone linked to every single Tea Party on their blog doesn't mean that they "organized" them all.

1090 onslow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:34:39am

Least edifying link of the day


JPs hear pair's loud lovemaking

1091 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:00am

re: #1068 HHC 2-2 SCR

Have her watch Ken Burns' "The Civil War"--she'll get to see and hear about anti-war movements during that time.

1092 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #1065 avanti

There is no "they",

Oh yeah? Well, what about Them?

1093 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #1063 alegrias

Solar Tea Party
Tea for the Taliban
Chai for Alqaeda
Ice Tea for Islamists
Darjeeling with DunkinDonuts
Earl Gray for GITMOs

New & improved, without open handed slaps, sleep deprivation, air conditioning, loud music or waterboarding!

CNN would approve.

No knickers on the head anymore?

/S

1094 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:26am

re: #1082 lawhawk

Now, this is something I can get behind. Brazilian models have competition from Israelis.

It's a competition where we all win.

/did someone call for a booby thread?

Yes, that Rafeli gal sure did raise the Bar for Israeli supermodels.

1095 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:43am

re: #1079 Nevergiveup

You can't go wrong with the Gettysburg address and something about brave men not dying in vain.

Thank you thank you thank you! That will work beautifully!

1096 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:35:57am

re: #935 VioletTiger
Ah. High probablility of your needing a turtle-neck sweater, wind breaker and sweat pants for that walk on the beach then!

1097 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:36:39am

Listen you guys, Paulians only consist of about 1% of Republican leaning voters. Nazis much less. Same with the Birchers. Nesara, the ufo cult, probably doesn't even have a 1,000 members worldwide. Why do you need them running the Tea Parties? Tell them to fuck off and they'll go away. They are involved in the Tea Parties because nobody is making an effort to get rid of them. They will stay until somebody makes an effort.

1098 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:36:40am

re: #1088 MandyManners

Wait a second. Could you point out that Lincoln was a Republican?

LOL!

1099 Scion9  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:36:54am

re: #967 taxfreekiller

avanti

wake up the Castro's are commies, commies are 100% global warming,
they will not go for cars, when the ones they have wear out, its
bicycles and walking,,

I don't even think that is the problem. Castro and his Nomenklatura are, and have always been faux-Communists, that played the game to get Soviet support and put a thumb in the eye of America. Castro's revolution was much more about getting power for Castro, and getting dirty foreigners off of his island so as to not despoil the honor of Cuban virgins than it was about Communistic ideals of "Justice". The real ideologues, like Che, got the boot (or worse).

I think any economic benefit seen by Cuba's current regime, would stay almost exclusively with the Cuban elite because of their ultra-nationalist, and borderline racist ideology. No benefit would be allowed to trickle down to the masses, because it would undermine their carefully fostered worldview. Greatly improved quality of life for your average Cuban due to friendliness with America would be the nomenklatura's death knell.

We could try it, but I wouldn't want to see any doors stay open unless non-Party, politically unconnected Cubans actually were able to have their economic demands met by increased trade. I'm extremely skeptical that it would pan out in any way that is consistently beneficial to regular Cubans though.

1100 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:21am

re: #1053 turn

What's a sex panther russ?

I have no idea. That was from the person responding to my post. I don't think I want to know. Teabagging was enough of a shock to my system. *blushes*

1101 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:28am

Last night former Tenn. Senator Fred Thompson spoke at a fundraiser for a candidate for local Virginia state delegate. Thompson said the new administration has pushed through tremendous change in its first few days, dangerously tipping the scale of our country from producers to recipients. Great speech, Mr. Thompson!

Did you know Fred Thompson has an AM radio show, with his wife Jerri? I think the call signals were 1680 but don't trust my memory.

1102 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:30am

re: #1095 HHC 2-2 SCR

Thank you thank you thank you! That will work beautifully!

Glad to help

1103 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:45am

re: #1074 Killgore Trout

I haven't refuted anyone's personal experience. I can't do that. They see what they see. If people check out the local Tea Parties and feel comfortable going that's fine by me. However, if you try to tell me these are parties aren't organized by Paulians , Lew Rockwell creeps and promoted at Stormfront then I'm going to provide counter evidence.

Then don't do reply as you did to Lincolntf and put word in his mouth. He is telling you what he saw and who he saw. No one is saying that Sithfront isn't promoting the events on their website. However, Sithfront has a long history of puffing themselves up to be more than the sorry group of losers that they are. We know a number were organized by Paulians, but these same Paulians are also bitching and whining that too many of our kind showed up for their rallies. They're actually complaining that our types hijacked their event.

1104 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:51am

re: #1097 Killgore Trout

I saw none at the Tea Party to get rid of. But if there were some, how would you suggest I "get rid" of them?

1105 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:01am

re: #1082 lawhawk

Now, this is something I can get behind. Brazilian models have competition from Israelis.

It's a competition where we all win.

/did someone call for a booby thread?

I need an LGF Research Grant to do some investigating on this story.

1106 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #1071 J.D.

A barking moonbat in the Pentagon.
Nice.

She must be assigned to a Navy office, because she is Full Moonbat Speed Ahead.

1107 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:20am

re: #982 Killgore Trout

If you continue to associate with Paulians and neo-nazis I will continue to point it out. That's not my problem. Don't expect me to sweep this under the rug for you because it's not gonna happen.


i'm not going to allow this moonbat group to dictate my actions.
i'm going to keep going abt. my day. that includes attending events to show my disapproval of this out of control tax and spend outfit lurching toward socialism.
it is too soon to say if the silent majority that is rising up, will implode into
fringe hysteria. let's give it chance.
you sound like an old woman screaming at the kids abt. a boogeyman
under the bed.
why don't you attend a rally and see what is going on.
i would be interested in what you have to say.

1108 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:22am

re: #983 calcajun

That was a deliberate distortion of the data--the DOJ did a Sex Panther with the numbers

The story is that:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

That's a significant distortion all by itself. If a given percentage of the 11,000 guns examined traced to some particular point of origin, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the remaining 18,000 guns in question exhibited a similar percentage coming from that some place. Lumping together the numbers in this way to arrive at a tiny percentage is completely meaningless, and misrepresents the data severely. In fact, assuming that both sets of weapons, the traced ones and the untraced ones, are simply random selections, the chances of the untraced set deviating from the traced set significantly is around 1%, statistically.

Now, it's entirely possible that the samples weren't random. Or that the reported results themselves are flawed in some way. But adding the entire corpus of weapons that weren't part of the study into the "completely unknown" category and then substituting that percentage for the one that is really under discussion - the percentage of guns that originated in the US - is bogus. It's a distortion of the very boundaries of the issue, a sort of statistical gerrymandering.

I see a lot of other potential flaws and questions that can be raised about this study, but the analysis given here is deeply flawed itself.

1109 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:23am

re: #1008 VegasRick

Going to one of the "Tea Parties" does NOT qualify as "associating with Paulians and neo-nazis". Keep posting your bullshit KT, let the adults take care of the problem.

I must concur. The Tea Parties do provide an audience for people like Glen Beck but they are playing vital role in inspiring and organizing the GOP, as well as expanding its numbers once again. We have to keep an eye out for crazies, but large scales rallies like this help our cause immensely.

1110 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:30am
1111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:43am

re: #1100 Russkilitlover

I have no idea. That was from the person responding to my post. I don't think I want to know. Teabagging was enough of a shock to my system. *blushes*

I think it means fudging the numbers. Sex Panther cologne is said to work 100% of the time, 50% of the time.

1112 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:44am

re: #1078 MandyManners

Kid you not--it's social studies--not history. IOW, it's political indoctrination. I found this out last year sitting around a camp fire with some 12-year old scouts who were so proud they had read a (text)book on the American Revolution--and how it was in part our fault. The good thing was that two other dads and I gently supplemented their incomplete knowledge. At least we told them that it's good that they read a book-- and that they needed to go read more.

1114 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:48am

re: #1097 Killgore Trout

Listen you guys, Paulians only consist of about 1% of Republican leaning voters. Nazis much less. Same with the Birchers. Nesara, the ufo cult, probably doesn't even have a 1,000 members worldwide. Why do you need them running the Tea Parties? Tell them to fuck off and they'll go away. They are involved in the Tea Parties because nobody is making an effort to get rid of them. They will stay until somebody makes an effort.

Were ALL protests organized by Paulians?

1115 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #947 Ward Cleaver
I wouldn't worry Ward, even if the Arabs got Bell helicopters, they'd still be "flown" by Arab pilots!
And you remember just how "adept" Arab Tank drivers are, right?!

1116 HHC 2-2 SCR  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:39:17am

Thanks to all for the imput.
This is why I read LGF!

1117 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:39:20am

re: #1057 HoosierHoops

My stupid golf clubs keep calling me on my cell...
'It's 70 and sunny out hoopster..Just do it..do it..I'll buy you a beer..Shut off the computer now!'

hoops, I'd go golfing if I were you

1118 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:39:29am

re: #1101 alegrias

Last night former Tenn. Senator Fred Thompson spoke at a fundraiser for a candidate for local Virginia state delegate. Thompson said the new administration has pushed through tremendous change in its first few days, dangerously tipping the scale of our country from producers to recipients. Great speech, Mr. Thompson!

Did you know Fred Thompson has an AM radio show, with his wife Jerri? I think the call signals were 1680 but don't trust my memory.

I don't trust him, he went to a "Tea Party". And we all know that the nazi's and the paulians ...
///

1119 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:22am

re: #1093 Dustyvet

No knickers on the head anymore?

/S

* * * *
Anyone toying with knickers at a tea party contaminates ALL attendees, so no!

1120 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:28am

re: #1100 Russkilitlover

It's from the movie anchor man about a cologne; the ad is 60% of the time it works all the time.

1121 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:31am

re: #1084 calcajun

Bones...it's ...im-portant..that we keep...trying. We... MUST get through. (how DOES one convey Shatner-speak into the written word?)

"You look quite well for a man that's been 'utterly destroyed', Mr. Spock." -- Kirk


"Now Mr. Spock, there's really something about all this that I don't understand, so maybe you could explain it to me, logically of course... Now, when you jettisoned the fuel, and ignited it, you knew that there was virtually no chance of it being seen and yet you did it anyway. Now that seems to me like an act of desperation." -- Kirk

1122 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:57am
1123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:57am

re: #1114 MandyManners

Were ALL protests organized by Paulians?

50% of them , 100% of the time
- Sex Panthering in action.

1124 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #1097 Killgore Trout

Tell them to fuck off and they'll go away

So, to that one guy I saw in Lafayette Park with the Ron Paul T-shirt (and the one woman who gave him a fist-bump); I should have run up and screamed "fuck off!".

Huh?

1125 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:26am

re: #1047 Kosh's Shadow

We're using rail for freight more and more. Even unionized companies like UPS now use it heavily. But it took the railroads a lot of work to get reliable schedules; if UPS wants their trailers from LA to NY in 2 days, they'll cancel the contract if they aren't there.
Of course, intermodal (trailer on flatcar, and containerization), has made it all practical. Take a container to the rail yard, ship it long distance, and load the same container on another truck for delivery; no inefficient unloading and loading of boxcars.
On the other hand, hobos don't have anywhere to sleep in container cars with sealed containers.

Good to hear. But I-80, at least, is clogged with semis covering huge distances. There's still progress to be make.

1126 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #957 avanti

If we opened the door just a bit, I'd predict all things American would be in demand. Music, clothing, cars, restaurants, the works. In the early 70's I worked with Cubans at Gitmo, and they passed through the gate from the Commie side daily. Even then, they were hoping for better relations to lessen Casto's grip.


Yes BUT - how the hell are Cuban's gonna pay for those American items? Especially with higher inflation on the way?

1127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:36am

re: #1115 realwest

I wouldn't worry Ward, even if the Arabs got Bell helicopters, they'd still be "flown" by Arab pilots!
And you remember just how "adept" Arab Tank drivers are, right?!

Five gears, all in reverse.

1128 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:44am
1129 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #1108 SixDegrees

Maier's Law--If the facts do not conform to the theory-they must be disposed of.

1130 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #1111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think it means fudging the numbers. Sex Panther cologne is said to work 100% of the time, 50% of the time.

200% of nothing.

1131 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:41:50am

re: #1058 Walter L. Newton

So what? Guns are still legal in this country. If the Mexican's are co-opting our freedoms to get a hold of guns to use for illegal activities, then punish them, get something going with the Mexican government, stop THEM.

The point is, you are a wuss.

Guns are legal in the US, that is not the issue.The issue is the gun dealers that sell 1000's of weapons to the Mexican drug cartels.
Those weapons are used to kill Mexicans and Americans. Count me as a wuss if a wuss thinks that limiting bulk gun sales to drug gangs is a good thing. With 6,600 dealers on the border, it is a problem. Finding a solution that protects the citizens right to buy arms and limit the illegal sales is the issue.
Here's a pretty even handed look at the issue.
link.

1132 redheadredstate  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:42:33am

CNN is a bunch of weasels and here's the proof. Ya'll remember the CNN reporter at the Chicago Tea Party who's prejudice was showing big time?They've shut down the a--hole female reporterette's email. How's that for keeping your floundering news organization humming!

CNN shuts down anti-tea-party reporters email

1133 J.S.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:42:45am

re: #1055 MandyManners

It's called a "confirmation bias" -- I believe I've posted on this previously...(any number of academic texts are available on this topic -- it's one of the banes of doing "science" (or claiming to be doing "science" when, in fact, it's pseudo-science) -- "Heuristics and Biases" is a great text...as is "How we know what isn't so", etc.)

1134 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:42:58am

re: #1110 Iron Fist

they could help the US Border Patrol and close down the fucking border.

"Close down"? I don't think so. Police it better? Definitely.

1135 SteveC  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:43:04am

re: #1119 alegrias

* * * *
Anyone toying with knickers at a tea party contaminates ALL attendees, so no!

*Steve points at the really cute redhead* Can I toy with her knickers if she lets me?

1136 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:43:10am

off to the salt mines--later.

1137 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:43:23am

re: #1112 calcajun

Kid you not--it's social studies--not history. IOW, it's political indoctrination. I found this out last year sitting around a camp fire with some 12-year old scouts who were so proud they had read a (text)book on the American Revolution--and how it was in part our fault. The good thing was that two other dads and I gently supplemented their incomplete knowledge. At least we told them that it's good that they read a book-- and that they needed to go read more.

The Kid's classes have not had history class per se but, it has been taught under the social study subjects, which also include teaching about the Constitution, economics, civics and the like. However, in higher grades, those subjects are taught in distinct classes and they are mandatory.

1138 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:43:46am

re: #1127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Five gears, all in reverse.

That's worse than the French, who had a tank that had a driver in the front and back so they could retreat just as fast as they advanced.

1139 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:43:56am

re: #1067 Lincolntf

Something has to be motivating you. Again, ZERO Paulians at my Tea Party. Not organized or connected to Ron Paul in any way. Deny that.
Sorry if you and your buddies at Stormfront have a different take.

Careful, Linc. I think that Kilgore is wrong this as well. But that shouldn't lead you to link him to Stormfront. Argument ad hominum is a logical fallacy.

1140 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:44:06am

re: #1124 Occasional Reader

So, to that one guy I saw in Lafayette Park with the Ron Paul T-shirt (and the one woman who gave him a fist-bump); I should have run up and screamed "fuck off!".

Huh?

That made me LOL!

1141 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #1123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

50% of them , 100% of the time
- Sex Panthering in action.

What is this "Sex Panthering"?

1142 J.S.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:00am

re: #1132 redheadredstate

The other day, "the most trusted name in the news" (that's CNN) featured the claim about a Russian doctor having removed a fir tree from a patient's lung...that, apparently, escaped their B.S. filter...(as I laugh).

1143 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:01am

re: #1128 Iron Fist

I missed it the first time. It really isn't much of a surprise. Everybody expects that the Democrats are going to try and outlaw guns in the next four years, no matter what Obama and the Democrats in the Congress say right now. It is just that coddling terrorists is a higher priority than gun control is for now.

I expect that will change sometime before 2012.

Discover the Networks is a vey useful tool.

1144 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #1100 Russkilitlover

I have no idea. That was from the person responding to my post. I don't think I want to know. Teabagging was enough of a shock to my system. *blushes*

Oh, I thought you must have understood the term since you didn't question it. Ha, ya didn't want to know. Hey Drudge has a link to the jokes MSNBC was making about teabagging, Cooper was the worst IMO.

1145 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:13am

I'm delighted to see Killgore is still here exaggerating the impact of the Paulians. I've got a link to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's photo essay of the Atlanta and Marietta gatherings. Let's play Spot the Paulnuts!

Atlanta Tea Party

1146 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:14am

re: #1132 redheadredstate

CNN is a bunch of weasels and here's the proof. Ya'll remember the CNN reporter at the Chicago Tea Party who's prejudice was showing big time?They've shut down the a--hole female reporterette's email. How's that for keeping your floundering news organization humming!

CNN shuts down anti-tea-party reporters email

So have they got Susan Roesgen swabbing out latrines, till this blows over?

/S

1147 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #1139 Dark_Falcon

He was (literally) linking himself to Stormfront to support his claims.

1148 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:45:55am

re: #1105 Occasional Reader

I need an LGF Research Grant to do some investigating on this story.

I'm sure there's some federal stimulus money that could be made available for this worthwhile endeavor. In fact, I'm sure you could get grant money from some university to study the effect in the natural habitat of such models. I wouldn't mind an extended research opportunity (and probably have Mrs. Lawhawk's blessing as well).

1149 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:12am

re: #1108 SixDegrees

That's a significant distortion all by itself. If a given percentage of the 11,000 guns examined traced to some particular point of origin, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the remaining 18,000 guns in question exhibited a similar percentage coming from that some place.

You're assuming the two groups are fungible and interchangable. But please note this from the article:

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

1150 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #1133 J.S.

It's called a "confirmation bias" -- I believe I've posted on this previously...(any number of academic texts are available on this topic -- it's one of the banes of doing "science" (or claiming to be doing "science" when, in fact, it's pseudo-science) -- "Heuristics and Biases" is a great text...as is "How we know what isn't so", etc.)

IOW, making shit up?

1151 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:32am

re: #1074 Killgore Trout

I haven't refuted anyone's personal experience. I can't do that. They see what they see. If people check out the local Tea Parties and feel comfortable going that's fine by me. However, if you try to tell me these are parties aren't organized by Paulians , Lew Rockwell creeps and promoted at Stormfront then I'm going to provide counter evidence.

some apparently are, some definitely aren't, but don't let that minor fact get in the way of the broad brush you're flailing around with to tar everything that doesn't fit into your narrow little world view... i didn't hear any unhinged speakers at the Van Nuys party, but i should take your word for it that they were in charge? spare me your silliness.

1152 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #1132 redheadredstate

CNN is a bunch of weasels and here's the proof. Ya'll remember the CNN reporter at the Chicago Tea Party who's prejudice was showing big time?They've shut down the a--hole female reporterette's email. How's that for keeping your floundering news organization humming!

CNN shuts down anti-tea-party reporters email

I blame the Nazi's. Or the Paulians. Or the Jews.

1153 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:56am

re: #971 Honorary Yooper

The amount of electricity derived from nuclear power also varies widely from state to state. Illinois is one of the few states that has a nuclear power system that resembles France. Unfortunately, I'm not entirely sold on it as we pay some of the highest electric bills in the US.


Well sure, but y'all have what =-4 out of your last 5 governors in state or federal prisons and Blago probably on his way, not to mention King Daley - you know all those bribes political contributions add enormously to the cost of getting nuke power plants built and running!

1154 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:59am
1155 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:47:28am

re: #1067 Lincolntf

Something has to be motivating you. Again, ZERO Paulians at my Tea Party. Not organized or connected to Ron Paul in any way. Deny that.
Sorry if you and your buddies at Stormfront have a different take.

That was an incredibly cheap shot.

1156 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:47:31am

re: #1097 Killgore Trout

Listen you guys, Paulians only consist of about 1% of Republican leaning voters. Nazis much less. Same with the Birchers. Nesara, the ufo cult, probably doesn't even have a 1,000 members worldwide. Why do you need them running the Tea Parties? Tell them to fuck off and they'll go away. They are involved in the Tea Parties because nobody is making an effort to get rid of them. They will stay until somebody makes an effort.

but Killian wants us to ignore the whole thing... could you two w*rk out what it is the rest of us are supposed to do, so we pass have yor personal approval?

1157 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:47:40am

re: #1112 calcajun

Kid you not--it's social studies--not history. IOW, it's political indoctrination. I found this out last year sitting around a camp fire with some 12-year old scouts who were so proud they had read a (text)book on the American Revolution--and how it was in part our fault. The good thing was that two other dads and I gently supplemented their incomplete knowledge. At least we told them that it's good that they read a book-- and that they needed to go read more.

* * * *
You're so right. I remember my civilian 8th grade "history" teacher sneering the words "Tricky Dick" sarcastically, oblivious to my military-brat experience abroad with relatives who fought communism on their doorstep.

Nixon may have been paranoid about many things, but communists tried to kill my relatives, so I wasn't going to buy my teacher's slanted version of history. By the way, this teacher's daughter was a pot-smoking troubled fellow classmate of mine. The teacher was a rotten apple and bad parent to boot.

1158 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #1141 MandyManners

What is this "Sex Panthering"?

See my #1111. It's from the movie Anchorman.

1159 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:47:49am

re: #1115 realwest

I wouldn't worry Ward, even if the Arabs got Bell helicopters, they'd still be "flown" by Arab pilots!
And you remember just how "adept" Arab Tank drivers are, right?!

I worry more about the technology transfer, and defense information going to them.

1160 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:13am

re: #1082 lawhawk

Now, this is something I can get behind. Brazilian models have competition from Israelis.

Wow. Pretty gal. And to think that she's also probably been trained to kick ass through the Israel army. That ought to drive all you male clinging gun toters right over the edge of sanity. ;}

1161 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:31am

re: #1155 MandyManners

What's the cheap shot? The only numbers he used (repeatedly) to bolster his claims came directly from Stormfront.
I'm mocking him for using them as his source.

1162 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:34am

re: #1124 Occasional Reader

So, to that one guy I saw in Lafayette Park with the Ron Paul T-shirt (and the one woman who gave him a fist-bump); I should have run up and screamed "fuck off!".

Huh?

Only if you were wearing your running shoes.

1163 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:48am

re: #1125 SixDegrees

There's a function of density in that kind of traffic as well. Why build an expensive intermodal facility to support local communities that are widely interspersed when you can have a larger facility some distance away that would handle the relatively local traffic. Besides, some kinds of traffic are local to local rather than long distance hauls. And other traffic is more time sensitive that can go higher speeds on the Interstates.

1164 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:56am

re: #975 Occasional Reader
Well we could still have a commanding lead in personal hygiene, but I don't know -when's the last time you saw an ad for say Irish Spring or Dial or any other deodorant soap or for that matter for deodorants on US TV these days? Hmmm?
:)

1165 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:49:15am

I see "stop the ACLU" post Glenn Beck's rant against Charles and LGF. Nice to be noticed I guess? And something about someone's account at LGF being terminated?

1166 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:49:44am

re: #1154 buzzsawmonkey

That's because the people have decided not to be chai, since they've had a pekoe at the way the Democrats are running the government--and the implication is that they are saying to Obama, "Oolong, it's been good to know you." Obama is straining the tax base, and is worrying that he'll be left holding the bag.

We only want the Government to stop Roobios with their high taxes & deficit spending!

1167 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:49:52am

re: #1104 Lincolntf

I saw none at the Tea Party to get rid of. But if there were some, how would you suggest I "get rid" of them?

Yes, because free speech is free speech.

1168 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:11am

Does anyone have a recommendation for one of Charles' records?

1169 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:13am

re: #1128 Iron Fist

I missed it the first time. It really isn't much of a surprise. Everybody expects that the Democrats are going to try and outlaw guns in the next four years, no matter what Obama and the Democrats in the Congress say right now. It is just that coddling terrorists is a higher priority than gun control is for now.

I expect that will change sometime before 2012.

Honestly, I don't think it will. The current bunch of Dems in Congress is not will to take such an action because they know they'll lose behind it. At least until 2010, I don't see anything happening on that front. With solid GOP gains in 2010, nothing will likely happen afterward either.

1170 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:17am

re: #1165 Nevergiveup

I see "stop the ACLU" post Glenn Beck's rant against Charles and LGF. Nice to be noticed I guess? And something about someone's account at LGF being terminated?

He used to go way over the top pimping his blog here (Jay777).

1171 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:24am

re: #1101 alegrias

Last night former Tenn. Senator Fred Thompson spoke at a fundraiser for a candidate for local Virginia state delegate. Thompson said the new administration has pushed through tremendous change in its first few days, dangerously tipping the scale of our country from producers to recipients. Great speech, Mr. Thompson!

Did you know Fred Thompson has an AM radio show, with his wife Jerri? I think the call signals were 1680 but don't trust my memory.

If you have one of those newfangled MP and 3 players, you can download Fred's shows and listen at your leisure.
Fred Thompson Show

1172 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:45am

re: #1161 Lincolntf

What's the cheap shot? The only numbers he used (repeatedly) to bolster his claims came directly from Stormfront.
I'm mocking him for using them as his source.

To me, accusing Kilgore of having buddies at SF is a cheap shot.

1173 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:48am

re: #1155 MandyManners

That was an incredibly cheap shot.

I think Lincolntf is sarcastically referring to Killgore's previous ridiculous pronouncement that any of us who showed up at a Tea Party were "associating" with Ron Paul and neo-nazis. By Killgore's own silly logic, he's "assocating" with Stormfront by visiting their site.

1174 redheadredstate  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:50am

re: #1146 Dustyvet

So have they got Susan Roesgen swabbing out latrines, till this blows over?

/S

Hell no, they'll give her a raise. Look for her to be the new CNN White House correspondent. After all, she's on the payroll already.

1175 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:55am

re: #1165 Nevergiveup

I see "stop the ACLU" post Glenn Beck's rant against Charles and LGF. Nice to be noticed I guess? And something about someone's account at LGF being terminated?

Was he blocked? He was the biggest blog pimp here for a long time. Every thread he'd get in the first 10 posts and every post linked to his blog.

1176 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:58am

re: #1081 Nevergiveup

re: #1106 SteveC

She must be assigned to a Navy office, because she is Full Moonbat Speed Ahead.

re: #1113 acwgusa

Hey Look! An official U.S. Pravda Plan! Greaaat!

I'm finished being open-minded about the Obama administration.
It's a train wreck.

1177 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:50:59am

re: #1115 realwest

I recall a report by a US officer assigned to train the Egyptian army. The US supplied them with US artillery pieces. A group of Egyptian officers was sent to the US for training on the new equipment. Several months later, a team of US officers visited this same Egyptian unit to see how they were getting along with their new artillery. The guns were sitting idle, filthy and unused. The artillery soldiers were not allowed to touch the guns and had never been trained to use them. The officers who were originally trained in the US had locked up all the training materials. Knowing how to use the guns made them important. There was no way they were going to give that up by wasting training on a bunch of lowly troops.

1178 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:01am

re: #1167 Dianna

Yes, because free speech is free speech.

That's true. I think they should speak freely, as so to know exactly who they are.

1179 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:03am

re: #1149 Occasional Reader

Yes, I pointed out that the two groups may not be comparable for any number of reasons. It still leaves the argument presented deeply flawed.

1180 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:05am

re: #1168 NYCHardhat

Does anyone have a recommendation for one of Charles' records?

We should send some to Glenn Beck. Especially the Grammy award winners.

1181 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:26am

re: #1170 Ward Cleaver

He used to go way over the top pimping his blog here (Jay777).

OK thanks

1182 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:39am

re: #1180 Ward Cleaver

We should send some to Glenn Beck. Especially the Grammy award winners.

Which ones were they?

1183 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:40am

re: #1132 redheadredstate

CNN is a bunch of weasels and here's the proof. Ya'll remember the CNN reporter at the Chicago Tea Party who's prejudice was showing big time?They've shut down the a--hole female reporterette's email. How's that for keeping your floundering news organization humming!

CNN shuts down anti-tea-party reporters email

Interesting link.
I wonder if Susan Roesgen will be seen on future CNN casts.
I also wonder if CNN didn't get the message and will maybe veer a bit to starboard in the future.

1184 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:41am

re: #1124 Occasional Reader

So, to that one guy I saw in Lafayette Park with the Ron Paul T-shirt (and the one woman who gave him a fist-bump); I should have run up and screamed "fuck off!".

Huh?

* * * *
You're an international diplomat, OR. Perhaps if you tried it in French...or Spanish. Or newspeak:
"Sir, yours is not the T-Shirt we've been waiting for"

1185 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:51am

Rosa Brooks has just been made an adviser to Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michelle Fluornoy - a move Brooks describes as "my personal government bailout."

Brooks' description of the previous occupant of the White House as "our torturer in chief" is hard to square with President Obama's call for bipartisanship. Nor is her ludicrous comparison of the Bush Administration's legal arguments on the war on terror with Adolf Hitler's use of political propaganda.

She has also accused civilian White House and Pentagon officials from the last administration of being "eager to embrace the values normally exemplified by military juntas," while urging "military personnel to speak out, regardless of the cost, when they think our civilian leaders have gone beyond the pale" - little more than an open-ended call for the politicization of the armed forces.

Writing in the LA Times, Brooks has compared being a citizen in George W. Bush's America "to being a passenger in a car driven by a drunk driver," and compared the Bush Administration ("our local authoritarians") to the leaders of North Korea or Iran. Quite what Defense Secretary Robert Gates makes of all this hate-filled talk remains to be seen, especially as he is himself a former Bush official.

Rosa Brooks is the daughter of Barbara Ehrenreich who wrote "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America ."

Adviser to Under Secretary of Policy at the Pentagon, Rosa Brooks. She will be advising the leftist Michele Flournoy.

The Under Secretary of Defense for Policy is the title of a high-level civilian official in the United States Department of Defense. The Under Secretary of Defense for Policy is the principal staff assistant and advisor to both the Secretary of Defense and the Deputy Secretary of Defense for all matters concerning the formation of national security and defense policy. The position is considered the number three office in the Department of Defense, after the Secretary of Defense and Deputy Secretary of Defense. It was created by Carter Defense Secretary Harold Brown in 1977.

What a way to start the morning.

1186 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:55am

re: #1162 MandyManners

Only if you were wearing your running shoes.

I could have taken the guy, I'd say. Of course, then the (very polite) Uniformed Secret Service at the scene would probably have been rather cross with me.

1187 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:51:56am

re: #1165 Nevergiveup

I see "stop the ACLU" post Glenn Beck's rant against Charles and LGF. Nice to be noticed I guess? And something about someone's account at LGF being terminated?

It burnsss. It burnsss.

1188 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:10am

re: #1182 NYCHardhat

Which ones were they?

I don't know. Charles?

/wake up!

1189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:16am

re: #1184 alegrias

* * * *
You're an international diplomat, OR. Perhaps if you tried it in French...or Spanish. Or newspeak:
"Sir, yours is not the T-Shirt we've been waiting for"

"This is not the T-shirt I knew"

1190 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:41am

re: #1126 realwest

Yes BUT - how the hell are Cuban's gonna pay for those American items? Especially with higher inflation on the way?

With Canadian tourist dollars.

1191 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:42am

DHS Incompetence On Parade:

The workplace raid that netted Gerardo Arreola Gonzalez and more than 20 other illegal immigrants would normally have been the first step toward deportation. But then Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said she was unaware of the Washington state raid and vowed to "get to the bottom of it." Now Arreola has a legal permit to work in the United States, and opponents of illegal immigration are furious.

Vow to get to the bottom of enforcing federal law? Now, instead of deportations, she's giving them legal work permits? Yeah, I'd be furious too.

1192 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:45am

re: #1162 MandyManners

Only if you were wearing your running shoes.

If you are going to tell a man to "fuck off"' you should walk a mile in his shoes. This way you are a mile away and you have his shoes.

1193 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:52:54am

re: #1186 Occasional Reader

I could have taken the guy, I'd say. Of course, then the (very polite) Uniformed Secret Service at the scene would probably have been rather cross with me.

Next time, carry a "RON PAUL SUCKS" sign.

1194 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:11am

re: #1173 Occasional Reader

I think Lincolntf is sarcastically referring to Killgore's previous ridiculous pronouncement that any of us who showed up at a Tea Party were "associating" with Ron Paul and neo-nazis. By Killgore's own silly logic, he's "assocating" with Stormfront by visiting their site.

bingo.

1195 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #1192 VegasRick

If you are going to tell a man to "fuck off"' you should walk a mile in his shoes. This way you are a mile away and you have his shoes.

LOL!

1196 Scion9  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:23am

re: #1173 Occasional Reader

Technically, he is condemning himself for associating with neo-Nazis by visiting this site.

1197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:32am

You guys can go crazy just don't expect me to follow.

1198 J.S.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:33am

re: #1150 MandyManners

(sometimes it's not actually done deliberately -- you can easily fool yourself -- that's why it's especially necessarily to know what kinds of tests can minimize or reduce biases -- how to check and make sure you're not falling for any subtle biases embedded in your research...other times, of course, it could be deliberate...someone wants to put a useless "medication" on the market, etc.)

1199 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:45am

re: #1173 Occasional Reader

I think Lincolntf is sarcastically referring to Killgore's previous ridiculous pronouncement that any of us who showed up at a Tea Party were "associating" with Ron Paul and neo-nazis. By Killgore's own silly logic, he's "assocating" with Stormfront by visiting their site.

As I noted earlier, for some reason I'm serious today, and I reckon I let that rigidity cloud my thinking.

Turn-about is fair play, then.

1200 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:53:49am

re: #977 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! I'm doing fine, thanks, how are you doing?

1201 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:05am

Sorry to interrupt our morning fight about the Tea Parties, but could all my readers please send their comments?

I swear that next week, early, the re-write goes out. I need your comments to do it right.

I especially want to hear if there's a major problem!

1202 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:08am

re: #1135 SteveC

*Steve points at the really cute redhead* Can I toy with her knickers if she lets me?

* * * *
"Make Love, Not War" was for Woodstock.

Tea Parties aren't for Lovers! Don'tcha know.

1203 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:14am

re: #1141 MandyManners

What is this "Sex Panthering"?

I think it's something cougars do.

1204 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:29am

re: #1185 Gus 802

Rosa Brooks is the daughter of Barbara Ehrenreich who wrote "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America ."

I read a great fisking of that book by a conservative some years back... I think it was from The Weekly Standard. Long story short, Ehrenreich basically refused to take opportunities that were made available to her "working class" Barbara, that any rational person would have taken.

1205 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:30am

re: #1182 NYCHardhat

Which ones were they?

School Days~Stanley Clarke
It's the only one I have.

1206 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:36am

re: #1185 Gus 802

Rosa Brooks has just been made an adviser to Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michelle Fluornoy - a move Brooks describes as "my personal government bailout."


What a way to start the morning.

I, too, started my morning researching this red-diaper baby. Look up her connections to Koh.

1207 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:41am

re: #1183 jwb7605

Interesting link.
I wonder if Susan Roesgen will be seen on future CNN casts.
I also wonder if CNN didn't get the message and will maybe veer a bit to starboard in the future.

NAFC
*Not A Fucking Chance

1208 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:53am

re: #1185 Gus 802

Rosa Brooks has just been made an adviser to Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michelle Fluornoy - a move Brooks describes as "my personal government bailout."

What a way to start the morning.

sounds like she's as full of shit open minded as her mother, and about as crappy good a writer.

1209 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:55:56am

re: #1203 KenJen

I've known a few cougars.

1210 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:01am

re: #1205 J.D.

School Days~Stanley Clarke
It's the only one I have.

Thanks.

1211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:03am

re: #1177 Kenneth

I recall a report by a US officer assigned to train the Egyptian army. The US supplied them with US artillery pieces. A group of Egyptian officers was sent to the US for training on the new equipment. Several months later, a team of US officers visited this same Egyptian unit to see how they were getting along with their new artillery. The guns were sitting idle, filthy and unused. The artillery soldiers were not allowed to touch the guns and had never been trained to use them. The officers who were originally trained in the US had locked up all the training materials. Knowing how to use the guns made them important. There was no way they were going to give that up by wasting training on a bunch of lowly troops.

That's is major problem in the Arab world. The focus is on status, not competence and that causes an authoritarian mindset that saps all innovation and creativity. We've made great strides against that sort of mindset in the Iraqi Army, perhaps it can become a model for reform in the region.

1212 Irish Rose  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:17am

A belated good morning lizards, as it's almost afternoon now here in Michigan.

Speaking of music, I see that the talented Miss Susan Boyle is still making headline news.

1213 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:22am

re: #1185 Gus 802

The stupid runs deep in that family. I believe another of Ehrenreich's children is also a writer of similar drivel.

1214 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:24am
1215 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:35am

re: #1072 Russkilitlover

We do have train service along the California coast. Not all of it. I could not imagine the cost of engineering a rail system along Big Sur, for instance. But between Santa Barbara and San Diego, it's a pretty good service. Trouble is, like all things in California. Once you get off the train, you need other transportation to get to where you really want to go. Taxis are very expensive and buses...well...they've kind of become homeless shelters.

Rail for personal travel will become efficient/effective when it is more convenient that automobile travel. When standing/sitting on a crowded rail car is more comfortable than riding in a quiet personal automobile and less trouble than negotiating traffic and finding/paying for parking, rail will be profitable/acceptable.

Until then, we're just playing with our social engineering enviro-wacko tinker toys.

1216 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:37am

re: #1203 KenJen

I think it's something cougars do.

Sex Panther:

That smells like pure gasoline.

1217 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:56:48am
1218 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:03am

re: #1186 Occasional Reader

I could have taken the guy, I'd say. Of course, then the (very polite) Uniformed Secret Service at the scene would probably have been rather cross with me.

For screaming or for running?

1219 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:20am

re: #1197 Killgore Trout

You guys can go crazy just don't expect me to follow.

i think you are crazy, so i pretty much ignore your suggestions.

1220 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:23am

re: #1185 Gus 802

Rosa Brooks has just been made an adviser to Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michelle Fluornoy - a move Brooks describes as "my personal government bailout."

What a way to start the morning.

* * * *
Wow, full employment for leftists' children in our former "Defense" department.

ACORNistas sworn to defend what?

1221 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:31am

re: #1204 Occasional Reader

I read a great fisking of that book by a conservative some years back... I think it was from The Weekly Standard. Long story short, Ehrenreich basically refused to take opportunities that were made available to her "working class" Barbara, that any rational person would have taken.

I saw her interviewed by John Stossel and that seemed to be the case. Basically she's a fraud. Buying expensive clothing and spending her time at a hotel for that book. I'll see if I can find the video.

1222 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:45am

re: #1145 doppelganglander

I'm delighted to see Killgore is still here exaggerating the impact of the Paulians. I've got a link to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's photo essay of the Atlanta and Marietta gatherings. Let's play Spot the Paulnuts!

Atlanta Tea Party

You can find a connection here. You can't tell a Paulian by looking. Eric Odom is a Paulian.

1223 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:57:51am

re: #1192 VegasRick

If you are going to tell a man to "fuck off"' you should walk a mile in his shoes. This way you are a mile away and you have his shoes.

Thanks for the smile, my first of the day!

1224 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:00am
1225 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:04am

Morning Honcos!

File it's under Bush's fault!

Top Bush officials slam release of torture memos

Two former top Bush officials on Friday slammed President Barack Obama's release of Justice Department memos detailing CIA terror interrogations, saying it would create "timidity and fear" among US spies.

"The release of these opinions was unnecessary as a legal matter, and is unsound as a matter of policy," former CIA director General Michael Hayden and former attorney general Michael Mukasey wrote in an editorial published in The Wall Street Journal.

"Its effect will be to invite the kind of institutional timidity and fear of recrimination that weakened intelligence gathering in the past, and that we came sorely to regret on September 11, 2001."

White House senior adviser David Axelrod countered that Obama's decision to release the memos written by top legal officials in George W. Bush's administration was "a weighty decision."

As near as I can tell the release of a former Administration's internal legal guidance memos is virtually unprecedented.

1226 redheadredstate  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:27am

re: #1135 SteveC

*Steve points at the really cute redhead* Can I toy with her knickers if she lets me?

Stevie C likes redheads. I always knew you had good taste.

1227 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:28am

re: #1197 Killgore Trout

You guys can go crazy to a Tea Party just don't expect me to be reasonable follow.

1228 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:29am

re: #1206 MandyManners

I, too, started my morning researching this red-diaper baby. Look up her connections to Koh.

I saw that too. Good grief what in the world is going on here? Nevermind, I think I know the answer to that question: Obama.

1229 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #1197 Killgore Trout

You guys can go crazy just don't expect me to follow.

I'm sorry, but I think you've rather wandered off the path of reason yourself.

The issues you've brought up are important. However - you're acting as if those of us attending were outnumbered by the nuts. It's not true.

Ringo heard a weird speech, and so did a couple others. I didn't; many others didn't. So if we do, we'll object.

What do you want us to do? Be passive? Work for a party that ignores us and our concerns? We've got a problem making the GOP listen to us and our concerns. So...do exactly what?

1230 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:59:12am

re: #1211 Dark_Falcon

That's is major problem in the Arab world. The focus is on status, not competence and that causes an authoritarian mindset that saps all innovation and creativity. We've made great strides against that sort of mindset in the Iraqi Army, perhaps it can become a model for reform in the region.

How do I say this? Hum--let's hope not! I mean the best thing going for Israel is who their enemy is!

1231 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:59:17am

re: #1204 Occasional Reader

I read a great fisking of that book by a conservative some years back... I think it was from The Weekly Standard. Long story short, Ehrenreich basically refused to take opportunities that were made available to her "working class" Barbara, that any rational person would have taken.

i wrote a short essay regarding the same issue to finish off my pointless EngComp class... it got an A and a ass chewing from the teacher.

1232 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:59:29am

re: #1220 alegrias

* * * *
Wow, full employment for leftists' children in our former "Defense" department.

ACORNistas sworn to defend what?

Adviser to the number three spot at the Pentagon.

How comforting. A freaking left wing columnist from the LA Times.

1233 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:59:32am

re: #1215 eschew_obfuscation

Rail for personal travel will become efficient/effective when it is more convenient that automobile travel.

On the Northeast Corridor route, at least, it often is. Certainly on holiday weekends... for all its problems, I'd certainly rather be on an Acela on the Sunday after Thanksgiving, than crawling down the New Jersey Turnpike in my car.

1234 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #1207 VegasRick

NAFC
*Not A Fucking Chance

I would tend to agree, but getting creamed in the ratings like they did is a financial incentive to at least (cautiously) turn down the rhetoric, if not allow an actual objective report to sneak in from time to time.

// naaah ...

1235 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:00:00am

Gotta get some lunch. BBL

1236 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:00:16am

re: #1209 Kenneth

I've known a few cougars.

Demi Moore?

1237 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:00:25am

re: #1214 Iron Fist

I hope you are right. Just as I hope that all of my training and practice in various martial arts will never be needed (it's already saved my life at least twice, but who's counting?) My late sensei spent the bulk of his life studying the martial arts, but the only time he ever actually used any of it was as a BAR gunner in the battle of the Buldge.

Like I say, I hope you are right. I was afraid that gun control was going to be the first thing on Obama's plate right from the start, but other than putting Holder as AG he's not trying to advance that agenda much yet.

yet.

1238 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:00:34am

re: #1198 J.S.

(sometimes it's not actually done deliberately -- you can easily fool yourself -- that's why it's especially necessarily to know what kinds of tests can minimize or reduce biases -- how to check and make sure you're not falling for any subtle biases embedded in your research...other times, of course, it could be deliberate...someone wants to put a useless "medication" on the market, etc.)

One way we learned how to put bias into a story when I was in J school was in our selection of sources. Of course, we were told NOT to do that. But, the lesson on how to do it was there.

1239 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:00:35am
1240 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:01:12am

re: #1154 buzzsawmonkey

That's because the people have decided not to be chai, since they've had a pekoe at the way the Democrats are running the government--and the implication is that they are saying to Obama, "Oolong, it's been good to know you." Obama is straining the tax base, and is worrying that he'll be left holding the bag.

* * * *
You are wicked & steeped in the subject.

1241 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #1239 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure she's not the first. Why, she might even be the fifth columnist.

With your Spanish Civil War puns, you're being unusually franco.

1242 turn  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:01:57am

re: #1201 Dianna

I'm going to have to print it out and take it home, I never find time to read it here a work because I'm reading stuff at LGF. I liked the first chapter and a half is about the only comment I can give you now.

1243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:17am

re: #1197 Killgore Trout

You guys can go crazy just don't expect me to follow.

That's not what we're doing. The Tea Parties are the grassroots of our party, thus we must work within them. The presence of a few Paulians cannot deter us from that.

1244 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:18am
1245 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:26am

See y'all later.

Friday, blessed Friday.

Don't mean much to me, but the wife-woman is still appreciative of Fridays. I think I'll get a couple of T-bones and baking potatoes ready for dinner tonight, and see if I can find a nice red wine to complement them.

Play nice.

1246 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:44am

re: #1234 jwb7605

I would tend to agree, but getting creamed in the ratings like they did is a financial incentive to at least (cautiously) turn down the rhetoric, if not allow an actual objective report to sneak in from time to time.

// naaah ...

NAFC!

1247 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:49am

re: #1239 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure she's not the first. Why, she might even be the fifth columnist.

So I heard. Now this and she's going to the Pentagon more or less. Meanwhile Robert Gates is happily approving of all of these appointments. If Gates was who I thought he was he should resign.

1248 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:02:55am
1249 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:01am

re: #1215 eschew_obfuscation

Rail for personal travel will become efficient/effective when it is more convenient that automobile travel. When standing/sitting on a crowded rail car is more comfortable than riding in a quiet personal automobile and less trouble than negotiating traffic and finding/paying for parking, rail will be profitable/acceptable.

Until then, we're just playing with our social engineering enviro-wacko tinker toys.

For commuting into crowded cities, or city-to-city travel (short to medium range), it is.
When I worked in Boston, when I could take the commuter train, I did.
As bad as it was (in the summer, one or two cars would have working air conditioning; it was often late, and had an inconvenient schedule), I did take it, because the alternative was Rt. 2, which, for a highly traveled stretch through rich Concord, is 2 lanes with traffic lights every mile or two.
And I was certainly not alone; the trains were usually crowded.
If I drove to the nearest subway station (Alewife, in Cambridge), I could get stuck with 1/2 backup getting out of the garage and on to Rt. 2. And going further into Boston was worse.

However, it would be ridiculously inefficient for my more frequent suburban jobs; suburb to suburb trains would be empty or so infrequent as to be unusable.

1250 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:08am

re: #1020 calcajun
Um, go back and read O.R.'s comment, I think you misunderstood what he was saying.
Friendly fire and all that.

1251 Irish Rose  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:11am

A bit early in the morning for a fist fight, don't you think?

1252 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:31am

re: #1236 KenJen

Demi Moore?

Well, Mr. Demi Moore has apparently won a popularity contest over CNN. It was for a good cause, where Kutcher gets to donate 10,000 mosquito nets to charity to stop malaria in Africa (loser CNN has to donate 1,000).

1253 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:42am

re: #1197 Killgore Trout

You guys can go crazy just don't expect me to follow.

Who is going crazy, Killgore? We pointed out what was observed, you brought some evidence of what you've seen. You yourself even noted that the Paulians are a mere 1% of the Republican Party. You've brought up the Sithfront promotion of the events. It is also noted that they tend to puff themselves up to make their influence and numbers look bigger than they are like a pufferfish. It's entirely possible that the events were coordinated at the top by Paulians. It is also possible that Paulians had no local involvement in the rallies observed.

None of this means anyone here is going crazy. In fact, a number of the crazies got bounced by Stinky yesterday. You've been very rational, and fairly well reasoned over the time I've seen you here at LGF, Killgore, but you have also gotten a little paranoid recently IMHO. What people are objecting to is that you are painting this with a very broad brush when it really requires something more surgical.

1254 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:45am

re: #1247 Gus 802

So I heard. Now this and she's going to the Pentagon more or less. Meanwhile Robert Gates is happily approving of all of these appointments. If Gates was who I thought he was he should resign.

if he was, he would have, so obviously he isn't... 1 gutted military, coming up!

1255 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:03:47am

re: #1247 Gus 802

So I heard. Now this and she's going to the Pentagon more or less. Meanwhile Robert Gates is happily approving of all of these appointments. If Gates was who I thought he was he should resign.

Gates is who I thought he was and I never wanted him!

1256 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:04:02am

re: #932 Ward Cleaver

I've read many articles in the past about the ingenuity that Cubans have used to keep their American iron running, given the inability to get spare parts. During the Soviet era, most preferred to keep their old American cars, rather than trade for Ladas.

If we had free trade, a lot of Cubans could score some bucks selling their 1950's cars on eBay.

1257 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:04:17am

re: #1171 razorbacker

If you have one of those newfangled MP and 3 players, you can download Fred's shows and listen at your leisure.
Fred Thompson Show

* * * *
Thank you so much! Wow, FredThompsonshow dot com has former CIA director Mike Hayden on today.

Fred looks mighty cool with that cigar.

1258 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:04:29am

re: #1225 jcm

He had to throw a bone to the leftists, regardless of the cost.

These are some of the problems I think many of us anticipated.

1259 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:04:56am

re: #1241 Occasional Reader

With your Spanish Civil War puns, you're being unusually franco.

He had a pretty good Rif on it, I thought.

1260 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #1241 Occasional Reader

With your Spanish Civil War puns, you're being unusually franco.

* * * *
Generalissimo, I don't take kindly to those who sided with the Stalinistas in Espanya.

1261 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:05:34am

re: #1220 alegrias

* * * *
Wow, full employment for leftists' children in our former "Defense" department.

ACORNistas sworn to defend what?

I have found no connection between her and ACORN.

Look what she's said about AQ:

"In 2001, administration stalwarts suggested that Osama bin Laden rivaled Hitler in the danger he posed to U.S. security and insisted that Al Qaeda's power was so great that nothing short of a "global war on terror" was required.

"At that time, most experts say, this description of Al Qaeda simply wasn't true. It was little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well financed and intermittently lethal but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull. On 9/11, they got lucky — but despite the unexpected success of their attack on the U.S., they did not pose an imminent mortal threat to the nation."

1262 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:05:36am

re: #1254 redc1c4

Right.

re: #1255 Nevergiveup

Guess I wasn't paying attention. Then he fits right in with the Obama administration.

What a nightmare.

1263 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:05:45am
1264 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:04am

re: #1248 buzzsawmonkey

Laugh, and the world laughs with you; bark, and you Barcelona.

All I have to do is mention a region in Spain, and I've got you singing like a Canary.

1265 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:14am

re: #1225 jcm

Morning Honcos!

File it's under Bush's fault!

Top Bush officials slam release of torture memos

As near as I can tell the release of a former Administration's internal legal guidance memos is virtually unprecedented.

"White House senior adviser David Axelrod countered that Obama's decision to release the memos written by top legal officials in George W. Bush's administration was "a weighty decision."

undertaken by a weightless fool.

1266 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:33am

Hello Lizards. I have been lost the last two days. No DSL at work or at home. Both routers taken out by lighting.

How have you all been and did I miss any juicy stuff?

1267 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:51am

re: #1263 Iron Fist

It's after five somewhere in the world. Fight!

Great- I'm getting a drink then.

1268 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:56am

re: #1211 Dark_Falcon

That's is major problem in the Arab world. The focus is on status, not competence and that causes an authoritarian mindset that saps all innovation and creativity. We've made great strides against that sort of mindset in the Iraqi Army, perhaps it can become a model for reform in the region.

It shows up in their Air Forces big time. Getting picked for flight school is more according to status and connections than competence. Just look at the Syria and Egypt v. IAF.

1269 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:06:59am

re: #1266 Erik The Red

Hello Lizards. I have been lost the last two days. No DSL at work or at home. Both routers taken out by lighting.

How have you all been and did I miss any juicy stuff?

I think 20+ pyschos got bounced yesterday.

1270 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:07:21am

bbiab

1271 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:07:28am

re: #1265 redc1c4

"White House senior adviser David Axelrod countered that Obama's decision to release the memos written by top legal officials in George W. Bush's administration was "a weighty decision."

undertaken by a weightless fool.

The So-Called "Torture Memos"...Why Democrats Suck On National Security
—DrewM.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

1272 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:07:38am

re: #1269 NYCHardhat

oops. I didn't use spell check.

1273 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:07:51am
1274 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:08:19am

re: #1225 jcm

Read my post up-thread, #1087. The former Director of the CIA and the former Attorney General both condemned the release. That too is unprecedented. Obama made an historic fuck up. He will pay for it in American lives.

1275 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:08:23am

re: #1269 NYCHardhat

I think 20+ pyschos got bounced yesterday.

Stinky had a good day.

1276 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:08:43am

re: #1266 Erik The Red

Hello Lizards. I have been lost the last two days. No DSL at work or at home. Both routers taken out by lighting.

How have you all been and did I miss any juicy stuff?

It turns out, we're a bunch of neo-Nazis. Imagine our surprise.
/

1277 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #1274 Kenneth

Read my post up-thread, #1087. The former Director of the CIA and the former Attorney General both condemned the release. That too is unprecedented. Obama made an historic fuck up. He We will pay for it in American lives.

FTFY!

1278 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:03am

re: #1273 Iron Fist

Warm beer is the real breakfast of champions :-)

I woke up this morning and got myself...

1279 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:10am

re: #1252 lawhawk

Well, Mr. Demi Moore has apparently won a popularity contest over CNN. It was for a good cause, where Kutcher gets to donate 10,000 mosquito nets to charity to stop malaria in Africa (loser CNN has to donate 1,000).


CNN can't seem to win anything these days..except the hearts and minds of the Lefties.

1280 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #1276 Occasional Reader

It turns out, we're a bunch of neo-Nazis. Imagine our surprise.
/

and Paulians... don't for get the Paulians.

1281 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:23am

Disappointment with US not prosecuting CIA


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

1282 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:40am

re: #1279 KenJen

CNN can't seem to win anything these days..except the hearts and minds of the Lefties.

Contains
Nothing
Newsworthy

1283 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:43am

re: #1276 Occasional Reader

It turns out, we're a bunch of neo-Nazis. Imagine our surprise.
/

Hey, I haven't been to a Tea Party... yet!

1284 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:09:56am

re: #1279 KenJen

CNN can't seem to win anything these days..except the hearts and minds of the Leftiesheartless and mindless..

FTFY.

1285 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:05am

re: #960 razorbacker

I bought this '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass for parts, and after using what I wanted had the rest of the car to get rid of. On a whim, I looked up a couple of Oldsmobile owner sites and let them know that I had parts available. Within two months I had sold and shipped enough parts that I had made my initial purchase price back two-fold.

No matter what it is, someone somewhere out there wants to have it.

Hey, if it's any part of a 1960's GM intermediate sized car, it's valuable.

1286 CIA Reject  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:08am

re: #1273 Iron Fist

Warm beer is the real breakfast of champions :-)

Heh- I saw this on a T shirt years ago:

BEER
It's not just for breakfast anymore...

1287 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #1277 redc1c4

Thanks. Your correction is more to the point.

1288 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:27am

re: #1283 J.D.

Hey, I haven't been to a Tea Party... yet!

but you didn't condemn them, and those who did, so you're still to blame.

1289 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:53am

re: #1281 Dustyvet

Disappointment with US not prosecuting CIA

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

— including waterboarding, shackling and stripping —
Sounds like SERE school.

1290 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:10:56am

re: #1281 Dustyvet

Disappointment with US not prosecuting CIA

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Fuck em!

1291 J.S.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #1238 MandyManners

One of those ironic downsides, I guess...(if you read "how to lie with statistics" it provides not just a means to uncover fraudulent stats, but could also give the reader the means to manipulate the numbers...) At wiki there's a list of cognitive biases (sigh, I can think of specific instances, during a an argument, wherein I've fallen for one or more of these...)

1292 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:14am

re: #1040 avanti With respect avanti - I do have some experience with this, THE most popular assault rifle in third world shitholes is the AK-47 - by far and away the most popular. Easy to use, doesn't mind not being cleaned and oiled often, easy enough to control on full auto and there are an estimated 1,000,000 of them available around the world, but they are next to impossible to get in the US. Not the Full Auto kind and that's the only kind that's worth anything because AK-47's are notoriously innacurate on single fire. Spray and pray is what AK-47's are used for.
And very little training is needed for that. As I said, perfect weapon for third world countries that have neither the time, manpower or ammunition to do much training.

1293 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:17am

re: #1252 lawhawk

Well, Mr. Demi Moore has apparently won a popularity contest over CNN. It was for a good cause, where Kutcher gets to donate 10,000 mosquito nets to charity to stop malaria in Africa (loser CNN has to donate 1,000).

Instead of actually killing mosquitoes, they have to use mosquito nets. How pathetic.

1294 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:21am
1295 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:32am

re: #1287 Kenneth

Thanks. Your correction is more to the point.

if it makes you feel better, i wish it wasn't.

1296 CIA Reject  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:42am

re: #1289 jcm

— including waterboarding, shackling and stripping —
Sounds like SERE school.

Or something some people pay big money for in Vegas ...

1297 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:11:45am

Raining like a SOB here now.

1298 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:12:18am

re: #1281 Dustyvet

The International Commission of Jurists, a widely respected Geneva-based organization of legal experts from around the world, issued a scathing statement saying Obama should thoroughly investigate and prosecute officials who authorized and engaged in torture.

"Without holding to account the authors of a policy of torture and those executing it, there cannot be a return to the rule of law," said Wilder Tayler, acting secretary-general of the ICJ.


Which begs the question, "Widely respected by who?"

1299 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:12:20am

OK, I posted a couple of germane comments on the previous thread, which promptly died. You're just going to have to read them here.

1300 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:12:42am

re: #1160 Russkilitlover

Yeah, I think Lance would have enjoyed that link...

1301 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:12:58am

In case it hasn't been previously addressed, Texas is one of a relatively few number of states where the State Board of Education determines and purchases the textbooks that will be used by ALL the school districts in the state. This top-down control is what Texas is complaining about from the Federal Government, but in this case Texas is the do-er, not the do-ee.

In most states individual school districts select their own textbooks. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not. But I'll generally trust the people who are closest to the ground, and prefer many individual decisions made by local authorities over those made by a centralized state bureaucracy. If Texas didn't have centralized textbook selection, this particular controversy wouldn't exist.

In addition, the sheer number of textbooks that Texas purchases causes that state to have a disproportionate effect on the content that publishers put into their texts.

/rant off

1302 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:13:01am

re: #1298 J.D.

Which begs the question, "Widely respected by who?"

The answer: Who fuckin cares?

1303 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:13:33am

re: #1278 Sharmuta

I woke up this morning and got myself...


... a gun?

(Sopranos trivia; that trademark theme song was not written about the Mafia, but rather inspired by the story of a woman who murdered her husband after many years of abuse.)

1304 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:13:36am

re: #1288 redc1c4

but you didn't condemn them, and those who did, so you're still to blame.

Oh!
Who knew?

1305 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:13:41am

re: #242 mph

I think creationism is just a symptom of a deeper problem.

Anti-science is a worldwide problem. The US doesn't have a patent on ignorance.

1306 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:13:50am

re: #1298 J.D.

Which begs the question, "Widely respected by who?"

Widely respected by whom

/goddess would not be pleased

1307 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #1292 realwest

With respect avanti - I do have some experience with this, THE most popular assault rifle in third world shitholes is the AK-47 - by far and away the most popular. Easy to use, doesn't mind not being cleaned and oiled often, easy enough to control on full auto and there are an estimated 1,000,000 of them available around the world, but they are next to impossible to get in the US. Not the Full Auto kind and that's the only kind that's worth anything because AK-47's are notoriously innacurate on single fire. Spray and pray is what AK-47's are used for.
And very little training is needed for that. As I said, perfect weapon for third world countries that have neither the time, manpower or ammunition to do much training.

Avanti talking about something he knows nothing about?

what is the world coming to?

1308 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:14:20am

re: #1303 Occasional Reader

... a gun?

(Sopranos trivia; that trademark theme song was not written about the Mafia, but rather inspired by the story of a woman who murdered her husband after many years of abuse.)

Memo to nevergiveup: Kiss wife tonight and bring flowers

1309 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:14:30am

re: #1302 Nevergiveup

The answer: Who fuckin cares?

Oh, the Obama administration does.

1310 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:14:55am

re: #1304 J.D.

Oh!
Who knew?

killian and Kilgore, evidently.

1311 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #1302 Nevergiveup

The answer: Who fuckin cares?

You make a good point.

1312 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:15:30am
1313 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:15:47am
1314 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:15:50am

re: #1211 Dark_Falcon

That's is major problem in the Arab world. The focus is on status, not competence and that causes an authoritarian mindset that saps all innovation and creativity. We've made great strides against that sort of mindset in the Iraqi Army, perhaps it can become a model for reform in the region.

* * * *
Yes!

Totalitarian societies are win-lose, winner take all. I WON, you all lost.
My way or the highway (or people-shredder)
My way or the beheading & honor killing.

Who dares object in a totalitarian society?

1315 lurking faith  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #1273 Iron Fist

Warm beer is the real breakfast of champions :-)

And cold pizza.

1316 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:07am

re: #1293 Ward Cleaver

Instead of actually killing mosquitoes, they have to use mosquito nets. How pathetic.

all part of the defenses... it's supposed to be a back up, since you can never kill them all.

1317 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #1306 Alouette

Widely respected by whom

/goddess would not be pleased

Deth to gramer merderers...
/ :)

1318 JohnnyReb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:26am

re: #1283 J.D.

Hey, I haven't been to a Tea Party... yet!


Guilt by association my friend.

1319 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:42am

re: #1273 Iron Fist

Warm beer is the real breakfast of champions :-)

That's for amateurs. Bourbon and cornflakes!

1320 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #1292 realwest

With respect avanti - I do have some experience with this, THE most popular assault rifle in third world shitholes is the AK-47 - by far and away the most popular. Easy to use, doesn't mind not being cleaned and oiled often, easy enough to control on full auto and there are an estimated 1,000,000 of them available around the world, but they are next to impossible to get in the US. Not the Full Auto kind and that's the only kind that's worth anything because AK-47's are notoriously innacurate on single fire. Spray and pray is what AK-47's are used for.
And very little training is needed for that. As I said, perfect weapon for third world countries that have neither the time, manpower or ammunition to do much training.

Great weapon regardless 3rd world or 1st. You can not break the damn thinks. Best thing that has ever come out of Russia. Besides the the Russian dolls and the girls.

1321 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:16:59am

re: #1306 Alouette

Widely respected by whom

/goddess would not be pleased

I had mono and missed school the day they covered that.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

1322 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #1281 Dustyvet

Disappointment with US not prosecuting CIA

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Who cares what the fuck those saggy sack cowards around the world think? Fuck them and the camel/sheep/blow-up doll they rode in on.

1323 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:17:39am

re: #1309 Ward Cleaver

Oh, the Obama administration does.

Who cares?

WARD!

1324 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:17:41am

CNN's Susan Roesgen went nuts on the air Wednesday at a Chicago tea party, blaming everything (accurately) on Fox News. But maybe she was angry because Fox turned her down for a job—twice!

[Link: gawker.com...]

Something about a women scorned?

1325 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:18:06am

re: #1320 Erik The Red

Great weapon regardless 3rd world or 1st. You can not break the damn thinks. Best thing that has ever come out of Russia. Besides the the Russian dolls and the girls.

Things.

PIMF

1326 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:18:10am

re: #1310 redc1c4

killian and Kilgore, evidently.

Killian, too?

1327 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:18:14am

re: #1320 Erik The Red

Great weapon regardless 3rd world or 1st. You can not break the damn thinks. Best thing that has ever come out of Russia. Besides the the Russian dolls and the girls.

SKS is a pretty good piece of kit too...

the AK is good, within it's limitations.

/the same holds true for all weapons

1328 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #1322 acwgusa

Who cares what the fuck those saggy sack cowards around the world think? Fuck them and the camel/sheep/blow-up doll they rode in on.

How does one get a burqa on a blow up doll...)

1329 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:18:53am

re: #1320 Erik The Red

Great weapon regardless 3rd world or 1st. You can not break the damn thinks. Best thing that has ever come out of Russia. Besides the the Russian dolls and the girls.

Vodka

1330 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:00am

re: #1327 redc1c4

SKS is a pretty good piece of kit too...

the AK is good, within it's limitations.

/the same holds true for all weapons

I'm trying to find a decent SKS. Very ard nowadays.

1331 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:07am

re: #1073 redstateredneck
LOL! Thanks {red} *smooch* - how are you today?
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

1332 Kragar  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #1328 Dustyvet

How does one get a burqa on a blow up doll...)

You put it in the burqa before you inflate it.

1333 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:22am

re: #1326 J.D.

Killian, too?

Killgore and somebody... thought it was Killian, but if i misfired, i apologize.

1334 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:23am

re: #1293 Ward Cleaver

Instead of actually killing mosquitoes, they have to use mosquito nets. How pathetic.

See, no silent spring; it is full of the buzzing of mosquitoes.

1335 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:29am

re: #1329 Nevergiveup

Vodka

Forgot that one:)

1336 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:49am

re: #1328 Dustyvet

How does one get a burqa on a blow up doll...)

you cut a circular hole in the bottom middle of...ah never mind

1337 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:50am

re: #1327 redc1c4

the AK is good, within it'sits limitations.

(While we're on a grammar & spelling purge...)

Lunch!

1338 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:19:53am

re: #1331 realwest

LOL! Thanks {red} *smooch* - how are you today?
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

for a second i felt unclean...

1339 Kragar  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:20am

re: #1329 Nevergiveup

Vodka

Ok, but besides, AKs, Dolls, Mail order brides, and Vodka, what have the Russians ever done for us really?

/

1340 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:33am

re: #1330 NYCHardhat

I'm trying to find a decent SKS. Very ard nowadays.

and not cheap... mines russian.

1341 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #1332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You put it in the burqa before you inflate it.

Oh sort of like putting up a GP Medium tent in the army...:)

1342 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:43am

Found the video.

Barbara Ehrenreich interviewed by John Stossel and the student who proved her wrong.

Barbara Ehrenreich is the daughter of Rosa Brooks who will be adviser to the number 3 spot at the Pentagon.

Apple - Tree

1343 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:46am

re: #431 MandyManners

I'll see that and raise you Ritchie Havens!

1344 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #1318 JohnnyReb

Guilt by association my friend.


Oh, well.
At least I didn't do anything to help elect Obama & Co.

1345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:03am

Just in for a moment:

Have we heard from Karadine? How are he and his family?

1346 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:06am

re: #1341 Dustyvet

Oh sort of like putting up a GP Medium tent in the army...:)

GP Larges are even more fun...

1347 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #1232 Gus 802

Adviser to the number three spot at the Pentagon.

How comforting. A freaking left wing columnist from the LA Times.

* * * *
Pres. Obama promised to do something about unemployment--stuff the Pentagon with people who Blame America First, but need a job.

1348 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:26am

re: #1296 CIA Reject

Or something some people pay big money for in Vegas ...

That's why Obama doesn't want people going to Vegas!

1349 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:35am

re: #1320 Erik The Red

Great weapon regardless 3rd world or 1st. You can not break the damn thinks. Best thing that has ever come out of Russia. Besides the the Russian dolls and the girls.

Read somewhere that it was a re-design (knock-off) of the German assault rifle introduced late in the war.

Also read somewhere that Schindler's List didn't have the politically correct ending we got from Hollywood. Schindler is supposed to have diverted a load of the new German assault rifles and armed the Jews he was sheltering. Maybe somebody has a reference to this, or maybe I'm wrong. Comments?

1350 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:48am

re: #1339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, but besides, AKs, Dolls, Mail order brides, and Vodka, what have the Russians ever done for us really?

/

Stalingrad, kursk, Leningrad.

1351 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:21:54am

re: #1342 Gus 802

Found the video.

Barbara Ehrenreich interviewed by John Stossel and the student who proved her wrong.


[Video]Barbara Ehrenreich is the daughter mother of Rosa Brooks who will be adviser to the number 3 spot at the Pentagon.

road Apple - dead Tree

FTFY!

1352 HippieforLife  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:04am

re: #891 Sharmuta

I vote for the munchies!

1353 J.D.  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:06am

re: #1332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You put it in the burqa before you inflate it.

So...someone here has experience, it seems...

1354 onslow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:08am
1355 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:28am

re: #1347 alegrias

* * * *
Pres. Obama promised to do something about unemployment--stuff the Pentagon with people who Blame America First, but need a job.

Yeah, stuff the Pentagon with left wing "authors."

1356 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:40am

re: #1345 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just in for a moment:

Have we heard from Karadine? How are he and his family?

he was hear just before i went to bed... things are apparently calming down and he's ok.

1357 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:45am

re: #1351 redc1c4

FTFY!

Oops, thanks.

1358 JohnnyReb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:22:50am

re: #1339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, but besides, AKs, Dolls, Mail order brides, and Vodka, what have the Russians ever done for us really?

/

Sewers, roads, sanitation, hospitals...

1359 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:02am

re: #1348 jcm

That's why Obama doesn't want people going to Vegas!

I'm glad that he doesn't come here.

1360 Kragar  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:41am

re: #1353 J.D.

So...someone here has experience, it seems...

Not with a burqa, but the principle is the same.

/

1361 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:50am

re: #1358 JohnnyReb

Sewers, roads, sanitation, hospitals...

gulags...

1362 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:52am

Correction

re: #1342 Gus 802

Found the video.

Barbara Ehrenreich interviewed by John Stossel and the student who proved her wrong.


[Video]

Barbara Ehrenreich is the daughter mother of Rosa Brooks who will be adviser to the number 3 spot at the Pentagon.

Apple - Tree

1363 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:53am

Here are a couple of videos from an April 15th "tea party":


What to make of this?

1364 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #1222 wrenchwench

You can find a connection here. You can't tell a Paulian by looking. Eric Odom is a Paulian.

I have to tell you, I found out about my local Tea Parties by going to one of those sites that turned out to be problematic. I even directed people to go there, without knowing who owned the site. (I generally don't search whois to see who owns a domain when I surf.)

I originally found out about the site because I listen to two local Seattle-area talk show hosts - Kirby Wilbur, and David Boze. Neither, to my knowledge (or to their own, I'm sure), is a neo-nazi or a Ron Paul supporter. When I went to the site, I saw nothing except a general statement (which I didn't spend time on), and links to every state (which was what I really was interested in). I clicked on mine, found out where the parties were, and that was the end of it.

My point is that unless something is screaming PAULIAN at me, if I was directed to the site by what I consider a sane and reliable source, how would I know the person in the driver's seat was anything but benign?

The only way is by reading LGF, and most people don't.

There wasn't a swastika on the home page, or a portrait of Ron Paul. Your average mom and dad saw what I saw, which appeared to be perfectly normal. I don't really know what we're supposed to do now - I don't think running around as though my hair is on fire seems appropriate. If there was a way to isolate promotion of these events to normal people, I would be all for it - but I have yet to see a practical solution that would accomplish that.

This movement is grassroots - how do you get rid of the dirt that hangs on when you pull up a handful?

1365 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:02am

re: #1328 Dustyvet

How does one get a burqa on a blow up doll...)

Throw a black sheet over a camel?

1366 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:04am

re: #1356 redc1c4

he was hear just before i went to bed... things are apparently calming down and he's ok.

Thanks!

1367 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:04am

BBL. Gotta cook some meat on the BBQ to feed the vultures.

1368 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:24am

re: #1345 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just in for a moment:

Have we heard from Karadine? How are he and his family?

Scanning myself but I saw some posts from him up thread...

1369 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #1361 redc1c4

gulags...

asbestos handlers.

1370 CIA Reject  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #1355 Gus 802

Yeah, stuff the Pentagon with left wing "authors."

Maybe he thinks that it'll prevent terrorists from attacking again. Like the Japanese putting POW camps near factories ...

1371 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #1352 HippieforLife

I vote for the munchies!

We need more glenn beck jokes.

1372 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:24:54am

[Link: www.mosnews.com...]re: #1359 VegasRick

Is it warming up there yet? I'm coming out there for a concert next month, I'm looking forward to the heat.

1373 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:25:03am

re: #1345 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Disappointment...

1374 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:25:34am

Oops, messed up that post.

1375 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #1369 NYCHardhat

asbestos handlers.

nuclear reactors dumped on the ocean floor... dried up inland seas/lakes

1376 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:25:56am

re: #1370 CIA Reject

Maybe he thinks that it'll prevent terrorists from attacking again. Like the Japanese putting POW camps near factories ...

Ha, good point. Now the Jihadis won't attack the Pentagon because it will be filled with a good number of their American allies.

1377 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:26:07am

re: #1354 onslow

Shiba Inu are one person dogs. The rescue society needs to be contacted, and that poor dog is going to have a dreadful time. They don't rebond well.

1378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:26:43am

re: #1368 LGoPs

Scanning myself but I saw some posts from him up thread...

Huh! Did a Find-on-this-page search coming in. didn't find any. Maybe I mis-spelled.

1379 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:26:44am
1380 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #1370 CIA Reject

Maybe he thinks that it'll prevent terrorists from attacking again. Like the Japanese putting POW camps near factories ...

that's just sick.

/i love it!

1381 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:26:53am

In the preceding videos, there is a woman speaker who has "10 points", starting around the 3:00 mark of the first video, continuing into the second video.

The question is, what do you make of her "points"?

1382 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:27:04am
1383 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #1379 Iron Fist

There's a company that makes semi-auto PKMs. They run six grand, but when you look at everything that comes with them you can see that that is a reasonable price. I even saw one on gunbroker that was made with Russian parts. I want one so bad, but I'm overextended for the year on weapons as it is. I found an Italian vendor that makes real high-end Itialian stillettos at reasonable prices (less that $200 for Damascus blades). He's also good at smuggling them into the States. Naturally, I got two of them. Then I got the double-edged semi-custom knife. It is nice, but they've just came out with a nice Applegate-Fairbairn with a 5.5" blade (I've got an AF, but one edge is partially serrated. In retrospect I wish I'd just gotten the plain edge). And I badly want to get something from MercWorx. There's some other semi-custom work out there that would be nice.

I could spend a fortune on cutlery :-)

do you have any Ek's?

1384 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #1371 Sharmuta

We need more glenn beck jokes.

Glenn Beck is so nutty he needs security guards with squirrel guns just to walk through the park.

1385 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:27:35am

re: #1243 Dark_Falcon

That's not what we're doing. The Tea Parties are the grassroots of our party, thus we must work within them. The presence of a few Paulians cannot deter us from that.


I just don't get all of this Tea Party bashing. It is an attempt to seek redress from the government. There is no violece or even threat of violence.
It would be amazing if some kooks were not attracted, but that does not defeat the vast majority.
If the standard is prefection, then nothing would get done.

1386 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #1373 jcm

OH NOES!

Cute!

1387 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:28:54am

re: #1384 Honorary Yooper

Glenn Beck is so nutty he needs security guards with squirrel guns just to walk through the park.

Whats the difference between Beck and Olbermann?

1388 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:28:54am

re: #1379 Iron Fist

There's a company that makes semi-auto PKMs. They run six grand, but when you look at everything that comes with them you can see that that is a reasonable price. I even saw one on gunbroker that was made with Russian parts. I want one so bad, but I'm overextended for the year on weapons as it is. I found an Italian vendor that makes real high-end Itialian stillettos at reasonable prices (less that $200 for Damascus blades). He's also good at smuggling them into the States. Naturally, I got two of them. Then I got the double-edged semi-custom knife. It is nice, but they've just came out with a nice Applegate-Fairbairn with a 5.5" blade (I've got an AF, but one edge is partially serrated. In retrospect I wish I'd just gotten the plain edge). And I badly want to get something from MercWorx. There's some other semi-custom work out there that would be nice.

I could spend a fortune on cutlery :-)

Remind never to argue with you face to face.

1389 badger1970  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:29:08am

re: #1293 Ward Cleaver

Heaven forbid will we have to endure a "silent spring". Saw the hag's poster at the center for kids who are an inch from juvy.

1390 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:29:29am

re: #1354 onslow

Colo. woman, 20, accused of taping dog to fridge

Let the punishment fit the crime, tape her to the fridge...:)

1391 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:29:32am

Last update - 19:17 17/04/2009

Is Iran's new drone really an Israeli aircraft?

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The two photos appear to be exactly the same, with the angle of the shot and the clouds in the background identical in appearance.

Those iranians are crasy wabits ha?

1392 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:29:36am

re: #1388 Dark_Falcon

Remind never to argue with you face to face.

standoff is your friend. %-)

1393 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:29:47am

re: #1387 NYCHardhat

Whats the difference between Beck and Olbermann?

One's a right nut, and the other is a left nut. Together, they make a nutsack.

1394 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:12am

re: #1393 Honorary Yooper

One's a right nut, and the other is a left nut. Together, they make a nutsack.

that fires blanks.

1395 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:21am

re: #1393 Honorary Yooper

*spew*

1396 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:22am

re: #1393 Honorary Yooper

One's a right nut, and the other is a left nut. Together, they make a nutsack.

I like that one.

I was thinking...One is a buttplug, the other uses a buttplug.

1397 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:36am

re: #1387 NYCHardhat

Whats the difference between Beck and Olbermann?

They're both assholes, but some of Beck's speeches make sense, whereas none of Olberjerk's do. Still, both are best avoided.

1398 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:37am

re: #1364 capitalist piglet


My point is that unless something is screaming PAULIAN at me, if I was directed to the site by what I consider a sane and reliable source, how would I know the person in the driver's seat was anything but benign?

See my message #1363 and 1381. What do you make of the woman (starting around 3:00)?

1399 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:30:47am
1400 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:31:10am

re: #1399 Iron Fist

The Russian ones are the best. I've got a friend that has one. These days I you can almost get into an M4 for about what a Russian SKS runs.

then get the M-4.

1401 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:31:33am

re: #1312 Iron Fist

* * * *
Well, if Pres. Obama gets his wish to put the GITMO boyz here in my neighborhood jail of Alexandria, VA--they can all be rehabbed and taught to fly at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, 3 metro stops away from their accommodations near the Eisenhower Metro stop.

1402 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:31:44am

re: #1387 NYCHardhat

Whats the difference between Beck and Olbermann?

One is a douche and the other is (in your opinion) a butt plug?

1403 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #1393 Honorary Yooper

One's a right nut, and the other is a left nut. Together, they make a cross threaded nutsack.

FTFY!

1404 Pietr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:31:58am

re: #1332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You put it in the burqa before you inflate it.

That you actually learned/know this, leaves some questions open...

/white smoke...

1405 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:32:11am

re: #1331 realwest

LOL! Thanks {red} *smooch* - how are you today?
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

I'm great...it's Friday!

1406 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:32:14am

re: #1364 capitalist piglet

My point is that unless something is screaming PAULIAN at me, if I was directed to the site by what I consider a sane and reliable source, how would I know the person in the driver's seat was anything but benign?

The only way is by reading LGF, and most people don't.

There wasn't a swastika on the home page, or a portrait of Ron Paul. Your average mom and dad saw what I saw, which appeared to be perfectly normal. I don't really know what we're supposed to do now - I don't think running around as though my hair is on fire seems appropriate. If there was a way to isolate promotion of these events to normal people, I would be all for it - but I have yet to see a practical solution that would accomplish that.

This movement is grassroots - how do you get rid of the dirt that hangs on when you pull up a handful?

The movement looks like it's "grassroots," but it apparently had some advance planning in many instances. I don't fault anyone who participated in any tea party, Paulian or not. I only fault those who deny that there are Paul-associated tea party organizers.

I don't think an event has to be "pure" to participate in. I do think one should keep one's eyes open and realize when their participation lends support to a cause one actually disagrees with. Paulians gained a lot from the tea parties. Doesn't mean that was the intention of each participant.

My choice for "practical solution" has been to join the local Republicans. I don't yet know where that will lead; for all I know it's run by Paulians. I will find out.

1407 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:32:40am

What are the current average prices for the following:

SKS
AR15
M4

What other assault weapons would you consider?

I can't pull it up on the web due to my works filter.

1408 JohnnyReb  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #1385 opnion

I just don't get all of this Tea Party bashing. It is an attempt to seek redress from the government. There is no violece or even threat of violence.
It would be amazing if some kooks were not attracted, but that does not defeat the vast majority.
If the standard is prefection, then nothing would get done.


As I said earlier, there appears to have been not one single arrest at 800+ events with an estimated quarter of a million people who went and demonstrated their displeasure with the government. If there had been even one single arrest it would have made the news all over the MSM.

I challenge anyone to state with proof positive that the tea party demonstrations were taken over by kooks, Paulians, Romulians, etc.

KT, a lone video or two is not proof. You need 500 or better different videos from different locations to say they were sponsored/taken over by neo-nazis, etc.

1409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:33:00am

bbl

1410 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:33:16am

re: #1402 Sharmuta

One is a douche and the other is (in your opinion) a butt plug?

I think I should retire that joke.

1411 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:33:42am

re: #1312 Iron Fist

You say that as if Obama cares. He doesn't. He is, at best, indifferent to the cost in lives and capital that his policy of appeasement will produce.

It's Obama's narcissism again. He cares about himself. His policies are based upon the most extreme pc obsessions. He wants desperately to be admired for his goodness. Because deep down, he knows he's bad.

1412 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:34:46am

re: #1329 Nevergiveup

Vodka

* * * *Bolshoi Ballet, Mikhail Baryshnikov, all Tchaikovsky music, much Russian literature, balalaikas, TEA SAMOVARS, Orthodox churches, onion domed buildings.
Long suffering people who finally saw the light after 70 years of oppression.

1413 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:35:09am

re: #1293 Ward Cleaver

Instead of actually killing mosquitoes, they have to use mosquito nets. How pathetic.

In fairness, killing mosquitoes is always an option. There are plenty of fine insecticides available that will do the job safely and effectively.

Netting, however, is dirt cheap in comparison, and lasts for years, further lowering it's cost. In terms of bang per buck, there isn't anything better.

1414 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:35:32am

re: #1391 Nevergiveup

Last update - 19:17 17/04/2009

Is Iran's new drone really an Israeli aircraft?

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The two photos appear to be exactly the same, with the angle of the shot and the clouds in the background identical in appearance.

Those iranians are crasy wabits ha?

My favorite: An Iran Air Force press release had a photograph of the USAF Thunderbirds and the Headline "Enemy can by no means attack Iran: Air Force commander."

1415 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:36:33am

re: #1414 jcm

My favorite: An Iran Air Force press release had a photograph of the USAF Thunderbirds and the Headline "Enemy can by no means attack Iran: Air Force commander."

So Baghdad Bob is working for the Iranian press agency now?

1416 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #1355 Gus 802

Yeah, stuff the Pentagon with left wing "authors."

* * * *
The Soviets always put "political officers" in every office. Pentagon Political correctness is the change democrats were waiting for.

Pentagon Peace Department, now with perfumed flowers.

1417 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #1156 redc1c4
Killian? What?

1418 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:39:02am

re: #1379 Iron Fist

We don't have access at any of that fancy stuff here in S. Africa. All banned. I have mates that have Russian made AK's wrapped up in grease and paper when the SHTF here. I have been privileged to fire one. It is a bitch to control at first.

1419 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #1408 JohnnyReb

As I said earlier, there appears to have been not one single arrest at 800+ events with an estimated quarter of a million people who went and demonstrated their displeasure with the government. If there had been even one single arrest it would have made the news all over the MSM.

I challenge anyone to state with proof positive that the tea party demonstrations were taken over by kooks, Paulians, Romulians, etc.

KT, a lone video or two is not proof. You need 500 or better different videos from different locations to say they were sponsored/taken over by neo-nazis, etc.

Very well mannered for that volume of people at all sites.

1420 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:41:35am

re: #848 Honorary Yooper

[...] As for people like Pam, you made your bed, you sleep with fascists, and then you wonder why someone says you have fleas. She shouldn't whine when someone merely notices she has fleas for her actions.

Fleas?

Multiple STDs is more likely.

1421 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:42:43am

re: #1370 CIA Reject

Maybe he thinks that it'll prevent terrorists from attacking again. Like the Japanese putting POW camps near factories ...

* * * *
Hey, we put an Italian POW camp near my the creosote factory my grandfather supervised in North Charleston during WWII. Italian POWs did the dirty work Americans wouldn't do! /// (Because Americans were busy fighting WWII)

1422 muddywood  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:42:47am

re: #1387 NYCHardhat
Whats the difference between Beck and Olbermann?

One believes the Constitution says what the Founders intended it to say and also believes in small, limited government. The other one doesn't.

1423 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:43:29am
1424 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:45:41am

re: #901 mmkay76

man, i suck at editing. when is the edit feature coming, charles?

There will never be an edit feature, I'm guessing. Too many dipwads going back and changing what they said, pretending they never said it, etc.

PIMF or live with what you wrote, solecisms and all.

1425 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:46:45am

re: #1301 Son of the Black Dog

In case it hasn't been previously addressed, Texas is one of a relatively few number of states where the State Board of Education determines and purchases the textbooks that will be used by ALL the school districts in the state. This top-down control is what Texas is complaining about from the Federal Government, but in this case Texas is the do-er, not the do-ee.

In most states individual school districts select their own textbooks. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not. But I'll generally trust the people who are closest to the ground, and prefer many individual decisions made by local authorities over those made by a centralized state bureaucracy. If Texas didn't have centralized textbook selection, this particular controversy wouldn't exist.

In addition, the sheer number of textbooks that Texas purchases causes that state to have a disproportionate effect on the content that publishers put into their texts.

/rant off

Nice rant!
Prompted me to find this link (State-by-state education ranking).

1426 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #1188 Ward Cleaver
I'd venture a guess that "School Days" with Stanley Clarke, but Charles has over 29 albums to his credit so it's kinda hard to say; although he has said (quite a while ago) that he has two platinum and one gold record on his wall.
See discogrpaphy[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1427 JPL17  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:47:27am

A tribute to the brilliant and very funny songwriter Mr. Cohen...

TOWER OF SONG

Well my friends are gone, and my hair is gray.
I ache in the places where I used to play.
And I'm crazy for love, but I'm not comin' on.
I'm just payin' my rent every day
In the Tower of Song.

I said to Hank Williams, "How lonely does it get?"
Hank Williams hasn't answered yet,
But I hear him coughing all night long,
A hundred floors above me
In the Tower of Song.

I was born like this, I had no choice:
I was born with the gift of a golden voice,
And twenty-seven angels from the great beyond.
They tied me to this table right here
In the Tower of Song.

So you can stick your little pins in that voodoo doll,
I'm very sorry, baby, doesn't look like me at all.
I'm standin' by the window where the light is strong.
Ah, they don't let a woman kill you,
Not in the Tower of Song.

Now you can say that I've grown bitter, but of this you may be sure:
The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor,
And there's a mighty judgment comin', but I may be wrong.
You see, I hear these funny voices
In the Tower of Song.

I see you standing on the other side.
I don't know how the river got so wide.
I loved you baby, way back when.
And all the bridges are burnin' that we might have crossed,
And I feel so close to everything that we lost,
We'll never, we'll never have to lose them again.

Now I bid you farewell, don't know when I'll be back,
They're moving us tomorrow to that tower down the track.
But you'll be hearing from me baby, long after I'm gone:
I'll be speaking to you sweetly from a window
In the Tower of Song.

Yeah my friends are gone, and my hair is gray.
I ache in the places where I used to play.
And I'm crazy for love, but I'm not comin' on.
I'm just payin' my rent every day
In the Tower of Song.

1428 centaur  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:47:33am

re: #1384 Honorary Yooper

What? Beck uses the Squirrel Nut Zippers as security guards? Cool.
Hi LGFland.

1429 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #1418 Erik The Red

We don't have access at any of that fancy stuff here in S. Africa. All banned. I have mates that have Russian made AK's wrapped up in grease and paper when the SHTF here. I have been privileged to fire one. It is a bitch to control at first.

Yeah, the AKs are heavy, and not very accurate. But they are reliable as hell and are not as capricious and high-maintenance as M4s, for instance. They also make much bigger holes in things, which is certainly a Good Thing™.

1430 HippieforLife  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #1387 NYCHardhat

Glenn Beck at least seems to have a sense of humor. Olbi has none.

1431 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 9:53:37am

re: #1415 Kosh's Shadow

So Baghdad Bob is working for the Iranian press agency now?

His new alias is Tehran Tom.

1432 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:01:18am

I do so love me some torch songs. And if you chuck in a little sad, sad saxophone well then, all the better.

Susan Boyle singing 'Cry Me a River'

1433 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:01:50am

re: #1320 Erik The Red
No argument from me, except that it is HEAVY (compared to, say, the M-4 which I gather is similar to the CAR-15 I got in RVN) and the ammo and mags are heavy too.
If you're an 11Bravo, weight counts!

1434 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:05:34am

re: #1267 Sharmuta

Great- I'm getting a drink then.

Looks like Sharmuta kicked off the drinking thread early. I have maybe one more hour of work, then I will be here with adult beverages, joining the fun.

1435 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #1400 redc1c4

then get the M-4.


AMEN to that one!

1436 realwest  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:09:23am

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta to eat some lunch.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

1437 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:15:19am

re: #223 redc1c4

i'd settle for a Mk-19... i never got to fire one of those, more's the pity.

Got to fire it twice. Once, in Basic, second time, in Officer Leader Course. It is pure joy! Lot of BOOM!

1438 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 10:22:44am
1439 Spar Kling  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:51:00pm

re: #209 Salamantis

Like science? Or maybe scripture?

I meant precisely what I said. ". . . to have had so much faith in any human or human institution was just foolish." Human institutions are all vulnerable to human foibles: professional jealousies, ambition, pride, and so on. This includes academic institutions, church institutions and all others. To think any of them are somehow excluded is delusional.

The genius of our form of government is that it recognizes, accepts, and then accommodates these weaknesses by pitting each branch of government against the others, by separating representation based on population from representation based on regional interests, and by recognizing that human rights are God-given, and not granted by the state.

Even though it is better than most, our form of government is not perfect and does not deserve uncritical devotion.

-sk

1440 Spar Kling  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:20:12pm

re: #534 SixDegrees

In fairness, even as late as the 1920s the true horrors of Communism weren't apparent to the world at large. Then, and as the world entered the Great Depression, Communism and Socialism had a large following in Europe and in the United States. It isn't at all surprising that Keller was caught up in this; a whole lot of people were. Stories about the massive failures of Communism, it's oppression, and the gulags didn't become widely known until after WWII.

Not to mention that life for the average schmuck in Czarist Russia was no picnic, either. Anything that replaced that system was bound to be viewed as an improvement, no matter what it consisted of.

Keller's statement is also a fine example of why the "Appeal to Authority" argument is deemed a fallacy, and is expressly disallowed in legal arguments. Expertise in one area - in this case, overcoming personal challenges - does NOT translate into expertise in other areas. Another fine example of this is Noam Chomsky, whose contributions to abstract mathematical "grammars" are taught in every computer science curriculum, but whose excursions into politics are packed with incomprehension, distortions and outright lies.

Very nicely put! I've heard that this dynamic is also responsible for some medical doctors who, by projecting their competence in medical matters to other areas, make disasterous decisions regarding real estate investments.

Again, we're all vulnerable to this sort of stuff. Thanks, for the post.

-sk

1441 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:46:26pm

I see that "spar kling" is trying to build up his credibility in this thread too, after being repeatedly exposed as a creationist liar.

1442 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:48:17pm

In fact, I think I've had enough of this dishonest creep and his sneaky creationist propaganda.

Bye now, "Spar Kling." I'm sure you'll do just fine with your "scientific degree."


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