Outright Dishonesty at the Washington Times

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An editorial in the Washington Times is a perfect example of what I’ve been calling the “distortions” about the DHS report on right wing extremism: Smearing veterans.

The whole piece is full of overheated accusations like this:

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has defended her department’s outrageous claim that veterans are joining hate groups and threatening public safety.

But at one point they tip over into outright dishonesty:

The Department of Homeland Security’s April 7 report said the willingness of “military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.”

Notice: the Washington Times deliberately omitted a very important qualification from their quote. This is the actual quote from the DHS report:

The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups in the 1990’s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

This isn’t just sloppiness. It’s lying by omission.

Shame on the Washington Times.

They’re stoking the outrage by distorting facts about the report, because they know most people who read their stuff won’t bother to check for themselves.

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945 comments
1 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:45:15pm

I'm going to go hide.

2 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:46:04pm

The times has a very large Omit-uary section. All the news thats print to fit.

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:46:53pm

I don't have to check for myself. I have you guys.

4 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:48:11pm

The only conservative-leaning newspaper with any national reach that seems to have its proverbial shit together is the Wall Street Journal, from what I can see. It's a shame.

5 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:48:31pm

sunsabitches. What's so hard about correctly quoting something when it's a cut n' paste in today's computerized world? The answer is nothing is hard about it. To incorrectly quote someone you have to work at it...

6 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:49:09pm
7 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:49:33pm

The Washington Times is a rag, The Washington Post is the paper worth reading in D.C.

8 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:49:42pm

How dare you suggest that "conservative" media operate the same was as those lefty libtards!

/

9 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:50:04pm

re: #7 sngnsgt

The Washington Times is a rag, The Washington Post is the paper worth reading in D.C.

Yeah,, but.....

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:50:12pm

re: #5 Thanos

sunsabitches. What's so hard about correctly quoting something when it's a cut n' paste in today's computerized world? The answer is nothing is hard about it. To incorrectly quote someone you have to work at it...

It's deliberate. No doubt about it. They quoted every other word from that section and left out the words that mitigated the statement. This is really disgusting.

11 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:50:51pm

Does any of this really surprise you?
Like OC said WSJ is the only thing left.

12 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:51:10pm

re: #10 Charles

It's deliberate. No doubt about it. They quoted every other word from that section and left out the words that mitigated the statement. This is really disgusting.

Maybe the Editor is dyslexic?
/

13 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:51:14pm
14 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:51:26pm

Wow - they really did cheat blatantly. This is really stupid, when anyone on the 'net can read the source and see this.

Stop it, Washington Times! There are actual issues all over the place - this is almost as stupid as that pizza thing!

15 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:51:56pm
16 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:52:07pm

I commented on this a couple of threads back but it bears repeating.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

17 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:52:24pm
18 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:52:27pm

Nice catch, Charles!

19 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:52:35pm

re: #9 Nevergiveup

Yeah,, but.....

But... I don't read either. I used to read The Post when I lived in D.C., but now I get my news from the interweb. LGF too.

20 captdiggs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:52:54pm

I eagerly await the DHS report on Islam, terror and extremism.
They might even have a few more hard examples that the singular Tim McVey.

21 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #10 Charles

I suppose they could be reading one screen and typing into another and inadvertently miss that one telling section, which would mean they are incompetent -- but that's truly a stretch, it's more likely intentionally misquoting.

22 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:53:35pm

Went to the link. Right under the story I saw this.

Comments are temporarily unavailable.

I wonder if that happened before or after the readers started pointing out what they did?

23 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #10 Charles

It's deliberate. No doubt about it. They quoted every other word from that section and left out the words that mitigated the statement. This is really disgusting.

No excuse for it whatsoever. I scream when I see the MFM do this and I am exactly as upset with the Washington Times for doing it.
Bastards.

24 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:07pm

re: #11 Afrocity

Like OC said

Suddenly I feel all tanned, Californian, rich and beautiful.

25 bemused  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:35pm

More responsible, cooler heads have pointed out that this was started while Bush was still President and that perhaps while badly worded, it targets true extremists on both sides of the ideological divide.

Am very disappointed Michelle Malkin has joined others in stoking the fires creating a case of Obama Derangement Syndrome, which just plays into his and his allies hands.

26 sngnsgt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:39pm

re: #20 captdiggs

The left will refer to McVey as a "freedom Fighter".

27 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:41pm

Is 5% small? 10%? %0.001? Who knows, the DHS doesn't. Is the qualifier even relevant given the DHS's lack of evidence to support the "small percentage" qualifier? The DHS just pulled it out of their ass based on anecdote, apparently. Let them suffer the indignation of ginned-up outrage. Maybe next time they will get it right.

28 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:47pm

What makes this really bad is their whole point is the (untrue) assumption that DHS was inflating potential vet threat numbers compared to the FBI. So they proved their untrue point by cheating. It's not a side issue - it's the whole point of the editorial.

29 Bobblehead  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #2 DaddyG

The times has a very large Omit-uary section. All the news thats print to fit.

Omit-uary..LOL

30 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:26pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

Suddenly I feel all tanned, Californian, rich and beautiful.

and a moonbat? ///

31 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:26pm

re: #10 Charles

It's deliberate. No doubt about it. They quoted every other word from that section and left out the words that mitigated the statement. This is really disgusting.

They hired some of the editors from NYT?

32 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:31pm

OT - Cap Phillips' wife making a speech. She's an emergency room nurse.

33 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:43pm

Were all of these reporters from the Washington Times?

34 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:47pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

Two lies don't equal truth.

35 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:55:47pm

OT - Cap Phillips making a speech.

36 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:56:30pm

Cap Phillips is going onto my heroes wall - he will say he doesn't belong there, but he does.

37 HelloDare  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:56:55pm

Here's a test: will the Washington Times correct its error?
Fat chance of that.

38 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:56:59pm
39 JHW  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #35 Catttt

I'm having a hard time understanding his deep Southern drawl.
/

40 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:06pm

And then they wonder why the print media is going out of business. One of the largest firms that makes paper for the print media, AbitibiBowater, filed for chapter 11 yesterday on diving demand for newsprint paper. [Link: online.wsj.com...]

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:22pm

re: #18 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Previous thread, someone quoted this exactly the way the Times had it written. Betcha John Lilyea (FBI Extremists thread, quote 874) thought he was being accurate.

Hence, Charles' point.

42 HelloDare  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:24pm

Did you notice that...

Comments are temporarily unavailable
43 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:33pm

re: #36 Catttt

Cap Phillips is going onto my heroes wall - he will say he doesn't belong there, but he does.

What if he says "I'm the real hero here, my crew and those SEALs were a bunch of pussies!"?

///

44 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #10 Charles

It's deliberate. No doubt about it. They quoted every other word from that section and left out the words that mitigated the statement. This is really disgusting.

The MSM are such scum.
That is something we can all agree on.

45 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:58:52pm

re: #40 Shr_Nfr

And then they wonder why the print media is going out of business. One of the largest firms that makes paper for the print media, AbitibiBowater, filed for chapter 11 yesterday on diving demand for newsprint paper. [Link: online.wsj.com...]

And a nice AbitibiBowater to you also?

46 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #38 mspfacs

To all the pro vaccination people: example people practicing medicine without a license, please follow this link:


[Video]
I am sorry I didn't provide this information last week during the vaccination debate but I am a very busy person and not very computer literate. I would appreciate no nasty responses. This is educatioal only.

I would appreciate you and people like you not putting my child at risk because you have some Luddite belief.

47 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #35 Catttt

OT - Cap Phillips making a speech.

He just said, 'I'm not a hero, the Military is."

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:04pm

re: #38 mspfacs

To all the pro vaccination people: example people practicing medicine without a license, please follow this link:


[Video]

I am sorry I didn't provide this information last week during the vaccination debate but I am a very busy person and not very computer literate. I would appreciate no nasty responses. This is educatioal only.

That report is complete crap. Please don't promote this garbage here. If you continue posting bogus anti-vaccination nonsense I'll block your account.

49 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:11pm
The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups in the 1990’s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

This has been true of veterans of almost every American war. This is nothing new--but people don't read history.

People like setting up strawmen and burning them down. For those who are biting at this bait, please read the whole thing and look at the plain meaning of the words before coming to a conclusion. Of course, if your mind is made up before you start reading--never mind.

50 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:00:41pm

I see the Washington Times seems to think its banner reads "New York Times". I typically just stick to the Midwestern papers I've been reading online. They have their shit together far better than these two East Coast ones.

51 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:01:18pm

The "Health Sciences Institute" is on Quackwatch's list of Questionable Organizations:

[Link: www.quackwatch.org...]

52 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:01:19pm

I've pointed it out before, but feel that it needs to be said again:

The idea of newspapers as 'nonpartisan' is a fairly recent concept. Historically in the U.S. newspapers were unabashedly partisan, strictly toeing the party line.

Google the number of newspapers with 'Democrat' as part of the name and also the number of newspapers with 'Republican' as part of the name and you'll be surprised at the number of hits.

We are seeing a resurgence of partisan reporting, or at the very least the dropping of the nonpartisan mask.

Just be aware of the bias of your news outlet of choice.

53 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:02pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

Is 5% small? 10%? %0.001? Who knows, the DHS doesn't. Is the qualifier even relevant given the DHS's lack of evidence to support the "small percentage" qualifier? The DHS just pulled it out of their ass based on anecdote, apparently. Let them suffer the indignation of ginned-up outrage. Maybe next time they will get it right.

Proactive heads up warnings of POSSIBLE threats and warning signs to look for is a large part of the job of DHS. They warn about all sorts of things. Would you rather that they pull back on this possible threat or that possible threat because most people in the group are upstanding people? That is the case with almost all people, but in each group, there are possible, small threat sources. A handful of people caused 9/11, and a lead on one of them, followed up on, would have stopped them.

54 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:08pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

The only conservative-leaning newspaper with any national reach that seems to have its proverbial shit together is the Wall Street Journal, from what I can see. It's a shame.

It's been that way for a long while.

55 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #51 Charles

Alex Jones is also pimping this bullshit

56 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:12pm

More media hypocrisy remember the CNN reporter who got rude with the tea party guy...

Roesgen got snippy with a crazy interviewee while trying to cover the tea partiers, and the crowd turned on her. “I think you get the general tenor of this,” she said. “It’s anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.”

Back in 2005, though, according to a Fox News source, Roesgen really wanted to work for that right-wing conservative network. She sent a tape of her on-air work to Fox’s then-programming chief Kevin Magee in January 2005, and followed up with another reel to Magee’s successor Bill Shine in September 2005. Needless to say, she didn’t get the gig.

57 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:16pm

Is there a small room with spiders available?

58 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:02:50pm

re: #56 Afrocity

More media hypocrisy remember the CNN reporter who got rude with the tea party guy...

Roesgen got snippy with a crazy interviewee while trying to cover the tea partiers, and the crowd turned on her. “I think you get the general tenor of this,” she said. “It’s anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.”

Back in 2005, though, according to a Fox News source, Roesgen really wanted to work for that right-wing conservative network. She sent a tape of her on-air work to Fox’s then-programming chief Kevin Magee in January 2005, and followed up with another reel to Magee’s successor Bill Shine in September 2005. Needless to say, she didn’t get the gig.


She is not hot enough to be on FOX

59 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #52 razorbacker

The idea of newspapers as 'nonpartisan' is a fairly recent concept. Historically in the U.S. newspapers were unabashedly partisan, strictly toeing the party line..

Very true. A century ago, you picked up a Hearst or a Pulitzer paper, you knew what you were going to read. There never has been impartial journalism.

60 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:18pm

Why does Mr. Beck have the camera angle from above his head? It's weird.

61 code red 21  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:29pm

You can't trust anybody to just give the straight story...that's why I come here.

62 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:29pm

re: #57 Eowyn2

Is there a small room with spiders available?

[We get the oddest guests here at Grand Hotel LGF...]

63 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:47pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

She is not hot enough to be on FOX

They could do a makeover.

64 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:49pm

re: #55 Thanos

Alex Jones is also pimping this bullshit

Isn't that a tautology?

65 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:53pm

re: #48 Charles

The Antivaxxers must have felt left out of the 3-day kook-fest we've had here.

66 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:03:56pm

Hah! There's now a ad on the side for Online Anger Management Classes given by the AJ Novick Group.

67 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:31pm

re: #56 Afrocity

Susan Rosegen was an anchor out here and in NOLA for a while. Her reputation was that she was none too bright.

68 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:41pm

re: #60 Catttt

Why does Mr. Beck have the camera angle from above his head? It's weird.

Why is he wearing a puke green tie?

69 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:45pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

[We get the oddest guests here at Grand Hotel LGF...]

We sure do..LOL
BTW..What's the number for room service?

70 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

LOL. her hair is blond though.

71 code red 21  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:04:58pm

re: #67 calcajun

Susan Rosegen was an anchor out here and in NOLA for a while. Her reputation was that she was none too bright.


She's living up to it.

72 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:16pm
73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:32pm

re: #60 Catttt

Why does Mr. Beck have the camera angle from above his head? It's weird.

That's the DHS conservative surveillance satellite.

74 uberfasiq  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:33pm

NOTE: Remember Secretary Napolitano's press release:

Let me be very clear: we monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States. We don’t have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence.

Secretary Napolitano's comment about DHS's focus on terrorism "regardless of ideology" is one that we have yet to see evinced. A search through the DHS website reveals much attention to "right wing" concerns, but it will be interesting to see if anything is revealed about this fiasco:

Former Marine Joins Forces with Bill Ayers...

Query: Will the new DHS address the recruitment of "disgruntled vets" who oppose the war and who cater to liberal terrorists like William Ayers? I would wait with bated breath, but this seems to be potentially dangerous for several reasons.

75 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:33pm

re: #68 Nevergiveup

Why is he wearing a puke green tie?

Why is there air? /hat tip, Dr. Cosby

76 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

[We get the oddest guests here at Grand Hotel LGF...]

...such a lovely place/

77 LSD  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:45pm

So Who Wrote This Editorial?

78 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:05:53pm

re: #71 code red 21

She's living up to it.

I think that would be down to it?

79 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:08pm

Down-dingers on this thread already:

freehoney, Shanimal1918

Apparently they think it's just fine for the Washington Times to lie.

80 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:10pm

re: #63 Catttt

No one is that good.

That is another problem I have with Fox--this desire to over-glamorize the female newsreaders. It's a little annoying.

81 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:18pm

re: #48 Charles

That report is complete crap. Please don't promote this garbage here. If you continue posting bogus anti-vaccination nonsense I'll block your account.

I was watching and thinking what the hell, its in someones living room, about 10 seconds in it went poof!
;)

82 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:31pm

Jeeezus. They're playing sad violin music in the background on the current Beck story.

WILLIES.

83 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #30 Afrocity

and a moonbat? ///


Actually OC is pretty conservative - not as much as it used to be. The soccer mom faction likes to call itself Republican, but votes for every bond and spending measure that sees the light of day.

84 brookly red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:47pm

re: #66 ConservatismNow!

Hah! There's now a ad on the side for Online Anger Management Classes given by the AJ Novick Group.

Online Anger Management Classes ? yeah right...

85 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:49pm

re: #74 uberfasiq

Bullkshit.

86 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:06:57pm
87 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:02pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

[We get the oddest guests here at Grand Hotel LGF...]

Put ze editors een a small rrruem with a twelf caterpillars, we vill get to ze bottom of zees.


(what did your say?)
(Do you have a rrruem?)

88 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:07pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

We sure do..LOL
BTW..What's the number for room service?


42

89 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #80 calcajun

No one is that good.

That is another problem I have with Fox--this desire to over-glamorize the female newsreaders. It's a little annoying.

That doesn't bother me - I just wish I could use their hair and makeup people.

90 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

The WSJ has been putting up some really weak stories of late. Although I do a cruise of 10+news papers of the world starting with the Times of India, the only one I continue to read in any depth is the WSJ. Its been less and less worth it as time goes on. In a rather funny side note there is a special discussion group about why the WSJ is always putting Obama's mug on so many stories. [Link: online.wsj.com...] It used to be that they never put up a photograph of anyone. Just the black and white dot portraits.

91 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:51pm

re: #64 freetoken

Isn't that a tautology?

You are correct.


Seriously, this is not just anti vaccine. The anti vaxxers cross over with the anti pharma movement which crosses over with the food purist movement nutballs. It's all essentially anti-science promoted by anecdotal, unverifiable, horror stories and the worst of it is that you see it being promoted by the extreme ends of both left and right. ( when you find Alex Jones, Amy Goodman, and Discovery institute in violent agreement watch out...)

92 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:07:55pm

re: #88 callahan23

42

Problem is it takes seven and a half million years to get your order.....
:)

93 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:07pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I know nothing about Gardisil, or the Health Sciences Institute. But when I started hearing about cancer being an STD, the needle on my bullsh*t meter broke.

Cancer is not an STD, but it can be caused by one.

Gardasil protects against four different types of human papillomavirus (HPV). HPV, a sexually transmitted disease (STD) is the most common cause of cervical cancer in women. In fact, HPV is fairly common—about half of all sexually active adults acquire genital HPV in their lifetime, and more than 6 million Americans are newly infected every year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Protection.

One of the most important things to know about HPV is that it’s really a group of viruses and includes more than 100 different strains. Only about a dozen of these strains have the potential to cause cervical cancer. Of these “high-risk” strains, HPV types 16 and 18 cause about 70 percent of all cervical cancers. They are, without a doubt, the riskiest of HPV’s high-risk strains.

Luckily, Gardasil, which is manufactured by Merck and Co., is designed to protect women against HPV types 16 and 18. The vaccine also protects women against HPV strains 6 and 11, which do not cause cervical caner, but instead are responsible for nearly 90 percent of all cases of genital warts.

The vaccine is actually a series of three shots administered over a six-month period, and it is only recommended for young women ages 9 to 26. While men can’t develop cervical cancer they can carry the virus and help spread it. In rare instances, HPV infection in men can also lead to anal or penile cancer.

As for side effects: There may be some tenderness, swelling and redness where the injection goes, but that’s about it.

94 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #74 uberfasiq

NOTE: Remember Secretary Napolitano's press release:

Secretary Napolitano's comment about DHS's focus on terrorism "regardless of ideology" is one that we have yet to see evinced. A search through the DHS website reveals much attention to "right wing" concerns, but it will be interesting to see if anything is revealed about this fiasco:

Former Marine Joins Forces with Bill Ayers...

Query: Will the new DHS address the recruitment of "disgruntled vets" who oppose the war and who cater to liberal terrorists like William Ayers? I would wait with bated breath, but this seems to be potentially dangerous for several reasons.

I think this is dangerous. Ayers' knowledge of explosives is more likely to get his partners in crime blown up; someone with actual knowledge of the subject is dangerous to more people.

95 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:32pm

re: #80 calcajun

No one is that good.

That is another problem I have with Fox--this desire to over-glamorize the female newsreaders. It's a little annoying.

Oh, I like it. They are all lawyers and smart. I think it is a clever concept unlike CNN and MSNBC who has gorgeous women but they are not the freshest donut hole in the box.

96 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:40pm

re: #38 mspfacs

Your anti-Guardasil video is full of misinformation, distortion and hysterical emotional maniplulation maquerading as "argument".

Please look up the facts and get some perspective.

97 HelloDare  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:08:47pm

This pisses me off. At least creationists are lying for God. /

98 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:00pm

re: #75 Catttt

Why is there air? /hat tip, Dr. Cosby

To blow up volleyballs and basketballs, that's why there is air!

Bill Cosby is a Very funny Fellow, Right?

I thought 200MPH was his best, but I'm approaching ancient.

99 code red 21  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I know nothing about Gardisil, or the Health Sciences Institute. But when I started hearing about cancer being an STD, the needle on my bullsh*t meter broke.


I believe that cervical cancer, since it is believed to be caused by the human papilloma virus, is classified as an STD. If I'm remembering it correctly.

100 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:28pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

O [Washington] Tempora! O Mores!

You, sir, have the Mores of an Eel.

101 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:40pm

re: #67 calcajun

Susan Rosegen was an anchor out here and in NOLA for a while. Her reputation was that she was none too bright.

Sharp as a box of hair.

102 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:47pm

re: #68 Nevergiveup

Why is he wearing a puke green tie?

What's the deal with the revival of avocado green?

103 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:09:53pm
104 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:12pm

re: #84 brookly red

Online Anger Management Classes ? yeah right...

It can take a long time to get through an online anger management class:
Day 1: Watch 1/2 hour, throw something at the computer.
Day 3: New computer arrives. Watch 1/2 hour, throw something at the computer.
Day 5: New computer arrives. New milestone; watch 1 hour before throwing something at the computer.
etc.

105 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:15pm
106 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #56 Afrocity

More media hypocrisy remember the CNN reporter who got rude with the tea party guy...

Roesgen got snippy with a crazy interviewee while trying to cover the tea partiers, and the crowd turned on her. “I think you get the general tenor of this,” she said. “It’s anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.”

Back in 2005, though, according to a Fox News source, Roesgen really wanted to work for that right-wing conservative network. She sent a tape of her on-air work to Fox’s then-programming chief Kevin Magee in January 2005, and followed up with another reel to Magee’s successor Bill Shine in September 2005. Needless to say, she didn’t get the gig.

Interesting,it seems to explain her gratuitous defaming of FNC.
She was totally unprofessional which probably puts her on a career track at CNN.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:47pm

re: #100 Occasional Reader

You, sir, have the Mores of an Eel.

Shocking.

108 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:10:59pm

What is it these days, on either side, that makes reality not good enough to gripe about or report on? There are plenty of things that are real and documented, yet everybody goes for the fake stuff or the exaggerated or the just plain made it up stuff. Very frustrating.

109 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

And I don't like tempura, either.

Hopefully that's only a tempural condition.....

110 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:22pm

re: #102 The Other Les

What's the deal with the revival of avocado green?

Harvest Gold cannot be far behind.

111 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:28pm

re: #75 Catttt

Why is there air? /hat tip, Dr. Cosby

Where does the white go when the snow melts?

112 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:31pm

re: #102 The Other Les

What's the deal with the revival of avocado green?

Did he just change his tie or is the interview taped or are they reading LGF?

113 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:46pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

It's part of the whole Carter II ethos.

Euuuuuuuuuwwwwwww!

114 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:11:56pm

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

Shocking.

Watt did you say?

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:12:10pm

Senators to Napolitano: Show us the data

Senators Coburn, Brownback, DeMint, Burr, Murkowski, Inhofe, and Vitter sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Napolitano yesterday concerning the DHS conservative hit job:
....

First, your report states that “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists…” without listing any data to support such a vile claim against our nation’s veterans.

Second, the report states that the millions of Americans who believe in the Second Amendment are a potential threat to our national security. Why? Do you have statistics to prove that law-abiding Americans who purchase a legal product are being recruited by so-called hate groups?

Thirdly, the report states that those that believe in issues such as pro-life legislation, limited government, and legal versus illegal immigration are potential terrorist threats. We can assure you that these beliefs are held by citizens of all races, party affiliation, male and female, and should not be listed as a factor in determining potential terror threats. A better word usage would be to describe them as practicing their First Amendment rights.

I should have voted for Obama. I've become very disillusioned with what Republicans have done over the past few months and I'm happy to have them out of power.

116 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:12:19pm

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Jews control Obama; Rahm Emanuel being that Jew, I suppose. The back of the sign says "Serbs Died when Clinton Lied". The guy behind says "Welcome to Germany ca 1939"

117 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:12:45pm
118 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

That's Brad Pitt!

119 GlockNspell  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:11pm

That's it! I've cancelled my subscription to the Washington Times and am now the proud owner of a 12 month subscription to the Washington Post.

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #116 Charles

Shhhhh...
/

121 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #114 LGoPs

Watt did you say?

These spontaneous punnings are revolting. Switch this off now! I might feel different if I was wired, but I don't have the power to do that anymore.

122 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:32pm

re: #98 Van Helsing

To blow up volleyballs and basketballs, that's why there is air!

Bill Cosby is a Very funny Fellow, Right?

I thought 200MPH was his best, but I'm approaching ancient.

I always liked Driving in San Francisco (go around, idiot, GO AROUND!), but then, I've driven in San Francisco.

123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:42pm

re: #98 Van Helsing

To blow up volleyballs and basketballs, that's why there is air!

Bill Cosby is a Very funny Fellow, Right?

I thought 200MPH was his best, but I'm approaching ancient.

"To My Brother Russell, Whom I Slept With" was my favorite album by The Cos.

124 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:43pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

Did he just change his tie or is the interview taped or are they reading LGF?

The reason I brought it up was that avocado green paint is showing up on a lot of houses up here in Minnesota.

125 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #97 HelloDare

Not all of them. They have a political agenda just like the far left--except they don't get the fact that they are setting the precedent for the swelling Muslim population in this country. In 30 years, when we have minarets on public land--when schools no longer have Christmas and Easter breaks, we can all thank the folks who labored so tirelessly for theology to be taught in the form of pseudo-science in our public school for blazing the trail. We'll hoist a non-alcoholic beverage in you honor 'cause us dhimmis won;t be able to afford real booze.

126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:10pm

re: #110 Truck Monkey

Harvest Gold cannot be far behind.

We are reliving the 1970s, after all.

127 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:12pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I know nothing about Gardisil, or the Health Sciences Institute. But when I started hearing about cancer being an STD, the needle on my bullsh*t meter broke.

From Wikipedia, and loaded with citations.

Gardasil (Merck & Co.), also known as Gardisil or Silgard,[1] is a vaccine against certain types of human papillomavirus (HPV).

Gardasil is designed to prevent infection with HPV types 16, 18, 6, and 11. HPV types 16 and 18 currently cause about 70% of cervical cancer cases,[2][3] and also cause some vulvar, vaginal,[4] penile and anal cancers.[5] HPV types 6 and 11 cause about 90% of genital warts cases.

Human papillomavirus (HPV) infections cause nearly all cases of cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is the fifth leading cause of death from cancer in women world-wide,[6] and the leading cause of cancer-related deaths among women in the majority of developing countries.[7]

Gardasil is only effective in preventing HPV infections, not in treating those already infected by HPV, and so the vaccine must be given before HPV infection occurs in order to be effective. For this reason it is recommended to administer the vaccine before adolescence and the onset of sexual activity.[8]

Gardasil can also be used to vaccinate males against HPV, though it has not yet been approved by the FDA to be marketed as such.[5]

128 HelloDare  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:14pm

CNN breaking news:

-- Capt. Richard Phillips returns to Vermont, hailing service members who rescued him from pirates as "superheroes."

129 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Can you make out what it says above Rahm Emmanuel? My eyes are bad and I can't

130 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:21pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Bullkshit.

Bulkshit? Is that like really a lot of bullshit all at one time? If so, I like that word!

131 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:26pm

re: #119 GlockNspell

That's it! I've cancelled my subscription to the Washington Times and am now the proud owner of a 12 month subscription to the Washington Post.

I wouldn't go that far. The Washington Post is a useless fish wrapper too.

132 TheHistorian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:29pm

I read it; did you? If the Times omitted this quote, how about LGF which took on the Times over this comment? When you look at the whole document, you will find phrases such as the following:

* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

. Italics are mine to point out the problem.

To claim that people who reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority is radical speaks to those who have never read Article X of the Constitution which talks about powers being reserved by the states unless they are specifically in the Constitution.
LGF used to be great; what happened?

133 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:41pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

What did that letter have to do with your disillusionment?

134 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Bet that's someone from ACORN.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:43pm

re: #52 razorbacker

I've pointed it out before, but feel that it needs to be said again:

The idea of newspapers as 'nonpartisan' is a fairly recent concept. Historically in the U.S. newspapers were unabashedly partisan, strictly toeing the party line.

Google the number of newspapers with 'Democrat' as part of the name and also the number of newspapers with 'Republican' as part of the name and you'll be surprised at the number of hits.

We are seeing a resurgence of partisan reporting, or at the very least the dropping of the nonpartisan mask.

Just be aware of the bias of your news outlet of choice.

Back then, was it possible to get both sides of a story by buying multiple newspapers?
Right now, with the rise of the wire services and decline of local editing, even the more conservative papers have the same anti-Israel articles, for example.

136 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:14:58pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Oh - I see. I was focusing on the little girl with the pig backpack.

137 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"To My Brother Russell, Whom I Slept With" was my favorite album by The Cos.

Metal shop - tink tink. tink tink. BOOM.

138 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #109 LGoPs

Stop battering us with poor puns. Get thee behind me crustacean!

139 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:05pm

You can pretty much tell which of these Democrat politicians is in a reliably safe seat, and which one is going to fight a statewide contest...

Frustration is at heart of protests, Pryor states

140 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:05pm

re: #124 The Other Les

The reason I brought it up was that avocado green paint is showing up on a lot of houses up here in Minnesota.

And I have seen white teenagers with enormous Afros.

"That 70s Show" is about to become a reality show.

141 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #121 Van Helsing

These spontaneous punnings are revolting. Switch this off now! I might feel different if I was wired, but I don't have the power to do that anymore.

Ohm my!

142 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:19pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We are reliving the 1970s, after all.

It won't get that bad.

143 Gella  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:29pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

its never ending story, everything is Jews fault, can't they find anybody else to blame? i am tired of it

144 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #114 LGoPs

Watt did you say?

You're just trying to amp up the puns. Coulomb can this go on?

145 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:47pm
146 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

I know nothing about Gardisil, or the Health Sciences Institute. But when I started hearing about cancer being an STD, the needle on my bullsh*t meter broke.

Um, HPV (human pampalona virus) does most certainly exist. It also is one of the causes of cervical cancer, and why the vaccine (Gardisil) was made.

147 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #138 calcajun

Stop battering us with poor puns. Get thee behind me crustacean!

No reason for you to get all crabby......

148 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:15:56pm

re: #116 Charles

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

149 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:23pm

re: #143 Gella

its never ending story, everything is Jews fault, can't they find anybody else to blame? i am tired of it

Hay Durban 2 hasn't even started yet?

150 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

You're just trying to amp up the puns. Coulomb can this go on?

That was a joule of a pun....

151 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:41pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:
Jews control Obama; Rahm Emanuel being that Jew, I suppose. The back of the sign says "Serbs Died when Clinton Lied". The guy behind says "Welcome to Germany ca 1939"
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

So are they angry at each other? Cognitive dissonance in action.

152 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:44pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Now THAT'S someone I would have bitch-slapped (verbally, of course) had I seen him at Lafayette Park.

But, I didn't. Nothing like that.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:16:56pm

re: #130 Russkilitlover

Bulkshit? Is that like really a lot of bullshit all at one time? If so, I like that word!

Heh,, it was a typo but a pretty damn funny one.

154 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:14pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I should have voted for Obama. I've become very disillusioned with what Republicans have done over the past few months and I'm happy to have them out of power.

Way to take a stand!

There's always 2012. Lets see if you feel the same way then.

155 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:18pm

If you were expecting honesty from this administration or from the prestitutes who support it, you simply have not been paying attention, your rose colored glasses have turned opaque, you're sense of hearing has gone completely haywire and all sense of touch, smell and taste have escaped connection from the cerebral cortex.

156 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:28pm

re: #129 Thanos

Can you make out what it says above Rahm Emmanuel? My eyes are bad and I can't

First word absolutely not readable, second could be 'Hangler' or 'Wrangler'.
On the sleeve, though it says AIPAC.

157 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:30pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

No idea.

158 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:36pm

re: #102 The Other Les

What's the deal with the revival of avocado green?

It's avocado season....duh!

159 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #150 LGoPs

That was a joule of a pun....

Well, this is one way to galvanize us.

160 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:18:00pm
161 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:18:05pm

re: #147 LGoPs

I am not carping about this--no. Hey we already did fish puns this week, dammit.

162 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:18:25pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

And I have seen white teenagers with enormous Afros.

"That 70s Show" is about to become a reality show.

The minute I see a man wearing bell bottoms I'm moving to Mexico.

163 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:18:42pm

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Um, HPV (human pampalona virus) does most certainly exist. It also is one of the causes of cervical cancer, and why the vaccine (Gardisil) was made.

Yes but the cancer itself is not sexually transmitted. Cancer is a possible side effect of getting HPV. If you have unprotected sex with someone who has cervical cancer but not HPV, you aren't going to catch cancer from her.

164 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #161 calcajun

I am not carping about this--no. Hey we already did fish puns this week, dammit.

well then, dyne on this.....

165 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:08pm

re: #132 TheHistorian

LGF used to be great; what happened?

When last seen at LGF, you were promoting this wacked out creationist website:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Featuring this wonderful account of dinosaurs on Noah's Ark:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

166 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:11pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

Now THAT'S someone I would have bitch-slapped (verbally, of course) had I seen him at Lafayette Park.

But, I didn't. Nothing like that.

THere was nothing like that in Chicago either. The nuttiest thing was the CNN reporter.

167 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:11pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

Kraftwerk logo, I think.

(Hey, it's the 70s)

168 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:13pm

re: #134 The Other Les

Bet that's someone from ACORN.

Probably a Paulian. These signs were common at the Ron Paul Tax day Tea Parties last year.

169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:13pm

re: #161 calcajun

I am not carping about this--no. Hey we already did fish puns this week, dammit.

Fish are like puns - both start to stink after three days.

170 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:20pm

O fortuna,
velut luna
statu variabilis,
semper crescis
aut decrescis;
vita detestabilis
nunc obdurat
et tunc curat
ludo mentis aciem,
egestatem,
potestatem
dissolvit ut glaciem.

Youtube Video
171 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:34pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

Never seen that flag before. It looks like some sort of gear.
Anyone have the URL for the hate symbols website again so we can check it against the list?

172 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:40pm

re: #150 LGoPs

That was a joule of a pun....

ERG! This all getting to be too much. A new ton of puns!
Repress the specific impulse! This isn't rocket science!

173 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:46pm

re: #136 Catttt

Oh - I see. I was focusing on the little girl with the pig backpack.

Look at the other liitle girls backpack, bottom left. She in trouble.

174 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

The STD/cancer issue is real. Some strains of HPV or human papilo-virus (genital warts) can produce cervical cancer in women and equally unpleasant forms of cancer in men. Guardasil prevents infection from HPV. Approximately 50% of adults have HPV: it's an epidemic by any definition.

But Guardasil only works if a person is vaccinated before being exposed to HPV. Once a person has HPV, the vaccine is useless. Hence the sound medical reason for administering the virus at a young age before they become sexually active. The side-effects are minimal and extremely rare. In fact, it's one of the safest vaccines out there.

In Ontario, the gov't provides free Guardasil vaccinations for all students in grade 8. I don't want my kids to get a deadly cancer just because I might have an hysterical reaction to the idea of teens having sex.

175 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #159 Van Helsing

Well, this is one way to galvanize us.

I have to come up with another pun to keep this from dyne.

176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:34pm

re: #165 Charles

When last seen at LGF, you were promoting this wacked out creationist website:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Featuring this wonderful account of dinosaurs on Noah's Ark:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

But I thought the dinosaurs didn't make it to the Ark & that's why they're extinct?
/

177 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:35pm

re: #134 The Other Les

Bet that's someone from ACORN.

No, more likely the Serbian or Melkite axis, from the caption:

Jews control Obama; Rahm Emanuel being that Jew, I suppose. The back of the sign says "Serbs Died when Clinton Lied". The guy behind says "Welcome to Germany ca 1939"

178 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:37pm

Look we all know that it's delicate work when even a "small percentage" of veterans are targeted by the report. However, I look at this report as targeting extremist groups. Think about what groups like Stormfront, et al want most: legitimacy! so they can target and indoctrinate more people. Nothing offers cheap and quick legitimacy like even a half dozen disgruntled troops. Of the many thousand troops that serve this country faithfully, we can't expect that every one will be a saint.

I was as pissed as everyone else when the suicide statistics from the NYT painted our troops out as nutbags, but this report seems to be taking the opposite angle. It's saying the extremist groups may specifically target those handful of troops who do have issues. If anything, this should be helpful and hopefully could institute some kind of veterans buddy system so they help protect each other from these kind of poachers.

179 GlockNspell  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:40pm

re: #171 Honorary Yooper

Never seen that flag before. It looks like some sort of gear.
Anyone have the URL for the hate symbols website again so we can check it against the list?

I think itsa UAW flag ha!

180 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:47pm

The problem is that the right wing pundits are screaming that many in this country feel disenfranchised by the current head long rush to socialism and truly astonishing national debt and meanwhile the Obama Administration seems to be actively encouraging that idea. Every thing from the release of the DHS report to Obama's
we won" tactics seem to me to be tone deaf.

If people are disenfranchised long enough then some do turn to violence. Isn't that what the Left was saying about al-Qaeda?

Currently the violent groups on the left and the right in this country are populated almost entirely by nuts. If we see average Janes and Joes joining it's then time to be scared.

181 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #162 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The minute I see a man wearing bell bottoms I'm moving to Mexico.

I've been looking at Belize, Costa Rica, and St. Maarten.
And I don't wear bell bottoms. Anymore.

182 Last Mohican  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:02pm

re: #99 code red 21

I believe that cervical cancer, since it is believed to be caused by the human papilloma virus, is classified as an STD. If I'm remembering it correctly.

Almost. Cervical cancer itself isn't a sexually transmitted disease. But human papillomavirus is, and most cases of cervical cancer are related to HPV. Someone discussed this above.

There are some other cancers that are related to sexually transmitted disease. People who have chronic hepatitis B or hepatitis C are more likely to get cirrhosis, which can lead to hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer). And people with HIV are more likely to get various cancers, notably lymphoma and Kaposi sarcoma.

183 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #173 SasquatchOnSteroids

Look at the other liitle girls backpack, bottom left. She in trouble.

/forgot my sarc tag there.

184 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:07pm

re: #173 SasquatchOnSteroids

Look at the other liitle girls backpack, bottom left. She in trouble.

I think the first one's back pack is a puppy? I've seen lots of those on little tiny kids, lately.

185 kansas  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:11pm

I am working on reading the DHS report. I see the problem with the small percentage of veterans qualifier. Makes the Times dishonest. Welcome to the MSM in that regard. Dishonest, that is.

Am I reading this wrong, or does this report paint those with many conservative viewpoints as right wing extremists?

186 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:28pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

There were no signs like that at our tea party. I went to protest the way my taxes are spent. As did everyone I spoke to at the local tea party. There was one paulian and he didn't speak and I saw no truthers. I'll lay five that the guy was one of the fabulous Seattle Anarchists.

187 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:31pm
188 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #173 SasquatchOnSteroids

Look at the other liitle girls backpack, bottom left. She in trouble.

Isn't that Curious George?

189 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:53pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Back then, was it possible to get both sides of a story by buying multiple newspapers?
Right now, with the rise of the wire services and decline of local editing, even the more conservative papers have the same anti-Israel articles, for example.

I must confess that the era was before my time;)

But, as calcajun pointed out, if you go back and read a Hearst newspaper and then the coverage of a Pulitzer paper you would be hard pressed to tell that they were talking about the same event.

And the anti-Israel articles are, in my not at all humble opinion, the result of the movement of Israel away from socialism (a concept muchloved by our intellectual betters) and the steady drumbeat of coverage of the 'poor, downtrodden Palistinians'. Many journalists believe it their job to 'comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable'.

190 Afrocity  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #132 TheHistorian

You are giving curators a bad name.

191 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #174 Kenneth

In Ontario, the gov't provides free Guardasil vaccinations for all students in grade 8. I don't want my kids to get a deadly cancer just because I might have an hysterical reaction to the idea of teens having sex.

They could also get the cancer from the virus in adulthood with only one partner. It would not be anything they did, but what their partner did. That's all it really takes, so vaccination is a very, very wise idea.

192 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:17pm

re: #174 Kenneth

The STD/cancer issue is real. Some strains of HPV or human papilo-virus (genital warts) can produce cervical cancer in women and equally unpleasant forms of cancer in men. Guardasil prevents infection from HPV. Approximately 50% of adults have HPV: it's an epidemic by any definition.

But Guardasil only works if a person is vaccinated before being exposed to HPV. Once a person has HPV, the vaccine is useless. Hence the sound medical reason for administering the virus at a young age before they become sexually active. The side-effects are minimal and extremely rare. In fact, it's one of the safest vaccines out there.

In Ontario, the gov't provides free Guardasil vaccinations for all students in grade 8. I don't want my kids to get a deadly cancer just because I might have an hysterical reaction to the idea of teens having sex.

And you should have that choice.... as should we all.

193 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But I thought the dinosaurs didn't make it to the Ark & that's why they're extinct?
/

Wasn't that the Unicorns? If I recall correctly the dinosurs fell overboard & drowned.

194 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But I thought the dinosaurs didn't make it to the Ark & that's why they're extinct?
/

They made it to the Ark. But after two or three days of "dinosaur stall mucking-out" duty, Noah's family pulled the old "we've landed! Everyone close your eyes and stampede off the ramp, it's a surprise!" trick.

195 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:46pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

Now THAT'S someone I would have bitch-slapped (verbally, of course) had I seen him at Lafayette Park.

But, I didn't. Nothing like that.


I would have accidently stuck my sign through his sign when 'jostled' by street traffic.

196 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:22:52pm

re: #172 Van Helsing

ERG! This all getting to be too much. A new ton of puns!
Repress the specific impulse! This isn't rocket science!

We'll need the Calorie riding over the hill to rescue us from more of these bad puns.........
/ ugh.....*bad even by my low standards*

197 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:03pm

re: #176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But I thought the dinosaurs didn't make it to the Ark & that's why they're extinct?
/

No, that was the unicorns.

Youtube Video
198 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #185 kansas

I am working on reading the DHS report. I see the problem with the small percentage of veterans qualifier. Makes the Times dishonest. Welcome to the MSM in that regard. Dishonest, that is.

Am I reading this wrong, or does this report paint those with many conservative viewpoints as right wing extremists?

Yes, you're reading it wrong. No, it does not paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists.

199 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:48pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Heh,, it was a typo but a pretty damn funny one.

With your permission, I'd like to add it to my lexicon.

200 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:23:59pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We are reliving the 1970s, after all.

If it means that the hair on my head thickens up and the hair on my back thins out, I'll try it.

201 Last Mohican  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:00pm

re: #149 Nevergiveup

Hay Durban 2 hasn't even started yet?

No, but since you bring it up, can I take the opportunity to mention the Geneva Summit for Human Rights, Tolerance, and Diversity? It will be taking place in Geneva on Sunday, one day before the UN's Orwellian pro-racist Durban conference. It's basically an alternative conference, sponsored by and featuring people who actually do care about human rights. The whole thing will be broadcast live on that website.

202 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #196 LGoPs

We'll need the Calorie riding over the hill to rescue us from more of these bad puns.........
/ ugh.....*bad even by my low standards*

I would be the last one to BTU up for that.

203 Eowyn2  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:31pm

re: #142 calcajun

It won't get that bad.

after the 70s came.......DISCO

204 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:34pm

re: #132 TheHistorian

To claim that people who reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority is radical speaks to those who have never read Article X of the Constitution which talks about powers being reserved by the states unless they are specifically in the Constitution.
LGF used to be great; what happened?


oh please..Nobody has said that here..And it's a stretch to characterize the report as banging up against Article 10..
For a nic like theHistorian your logic and analysis is wanting...

205 kansas  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:35pm

re: #198 Charles

Yes, you're reading it wrong. No, it does not paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists.

I can't figure out why it bothers me so much. Could it be that it could be used to paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists?

206 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:58pm

re: #116 Charles

A lot of the lunatic fringe that infected the Democrats during the Bush years seem to have hopped over to feast like buzzards on the GOP corpse. If real conservatives can't get a handle on this sickness they can start looking forward to Obama's 2nd term right now.

207 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:24:59pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

Now THAT'S someone I would have bitch-slapped (verbally, of course) had I seen him at Lafayette Park.

But, I didn't. Nothing like that.

Hmmmm......Seattle......refresh my memory, is this city a hotbed of professional leftist protestors? To think THIS one might be a "plant" is not far fetched. IMO

208 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #165 Charles

Where's the one with the cavemen riding the dinosaur? I particularly liked that one.


Serious question about your comments last night on Jindal. Jindal aside, could/would you consider supporting/endorsing a GOP candidate who supported such a creationist bill out of political expediency rather than being a "true believer"? I have to believe that many did so for the former reason rather than the latter. I think it's one thing being made to drink the Kool-aid; it's another when you're part of the people making the pitcher.

209 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:25pm

re: #202 Van Helsing

I would be the last one to BTU up for that.

That's a joule you've posted...

210 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:29pm

re: #198 Charles

Yes, you're reading it wrong. No, it does not paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists.

No that is Hilliary's job?

211 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:33pm

re: #132 TheHistorian

To claim that people who reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority is radical speaks to those who have never read Article X of the Constitution which talks about powers being reserved by the states unless they are specifically in the Constitution.

This is, of course, exactly BACKWARDS. The report says that right-wing extremists often hold those views. It does NOT say that everyone who holds those views is a right wing extremist.

But then, I don't expect logic from someone thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:36pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

They made it to the Ark. But after two or three days of "dinosaur stall mucking-out" duty, Noah's family pulled the old "we've landed! Everyone close your eyes and stampede off the ramp, it's a surprise!" trick.

It's called corpolite & you can buy some on Ebay.

213 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #171 Honorary Yooper

It's a sniper thing. BTW, there's no evidence he is affiliated with the jew hater. It seems he just took the pick.

214 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #175 Kosh's Shadow

I think you may have a lead there. Far be it from me to crimp your style.

215 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:06pm

If you stop buying the Washington Slimes, they'll eventually go belly up. Assuming they don't get bailed out with our money.

216 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:09pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

Sons of Inspector Gadget?

217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #211 Charles

This is, of course, exactly BACKWARDS. The report says that right-wing extremists often hold those views. It does NOT say that everyone who holds those views is a right wing extremist.

But then, I don't expect logic from someone thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

It's not a documentary, but rather "inspired by actual events"
/

218 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:27pm

If you want to take a shot at the DHS report and the militia report, then compare them to the whining over profiling that occurred when TSA started up after 9/11. This looks like they are assembling points to profile, but since there's no action on it, it's over the top even to call it profiling.

219 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:38pm

re: #199 Russkilitlover

You have my blessing. Go for it.

220 sickANDtired  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:26:41pm

Anybody seen the Drudge link to the EPA story?
What is frustrating is if the "Peoples Body" doesn't pass something the appointed IDIOTS @ the EPA will take charge and ram something down our throats

221 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:00pm

re: #197 Kosh's Shadow

That was great! I'm still chuckling!

222 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #205 kansas

I can't figure out why it bothers me so much. Could it be that it could be used to paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists?

It's so badly worded as to induce paranoia in the general public. No matter which side you look at it from.

223 GlockNspell  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:10pm

Wait a minute. i just went back and reread the link for this- this is an EDITORIAL by the Washington Times. wouldnt one expect an editorial to gleen to support a position? is there no difference 'tween an editorial and a news story? i usually read editorialls knowing i'm getting an opinion.

224 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:15pm

re: #203 Eowyn2

Nope--never will get that bad. No more leisure suits, either.

225 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:19pm

re: #211 Charles

*But then, I don't expect logic from someone thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.*

Pass the Windex please, I have to clean my monitor.

226 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:19pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Heh,, it was a typo but a pretty damn funny one.

Needs to stay in the Lizard Lexicon.

227 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:21pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

It's a sniper thing. BTW, there's no evidence he is affiliated with the jew hater. It seems he just took the pick.

OK, thanks. I looked for the symbol at the ADL site, but failed to find it there.

228 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:35pm

re: #208 calcajun

Serious question about your comments last night on Jindal. Jindal aside, could/would you consider supporting/endorsing a GOP candidate who supported such a creationist bill out of political expediency rather than being a "true believer"?

No, absolutely not. Anyone who promotes creationist bills and signs them into law is doing incredible damage to the future of America, and I will never vote for such a person, whether they're a true believer or simply an irresponsible opportunist.

229 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

From the same photostream. What flag is this?

Bolt Face logo.

Google it and you will see the source.

230 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:06pm

re: #206 Kenneth

A lot of the lunatic fringe that infected the Democrats during the Bush years seem to have hopped over to feast like buzzards on the GOP corpse. If real conservatives can't get a handle on this sickness they can start looking forward to Obama's 2nd term right now.

I would think that Bob Dole, John Kerry, and McCain show that you can't win by running as the anti-other guy candidate. You have to win by being the Pro-"something" candidate. Americans love an optimist. The marginally intelligent sees "Yes we can" as being hokey and simplistic, but a large part of the electorate that doesn't pay much attention prefers "Yes we can" to "Oh my aching back"

231 kansas  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:09pm

re: #222 Dianna

It's so badly worded as to induce paranoia in the general public. No matter which side you look at it from.

Thank you. That's what I'm seeing.

232 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:15pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

It's a sniper thing. BTW, there's no evidence he is affiliated with the jew hater. It seems he just took the pick.

I looked and I think it's a SEBR logo. SEBR AR15 - Special Edition Black Rifle:

[Link: www.ar15.com...]

[Link: www.ar15.com...]

233 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:17pm

re: #165 Charles

When last seen at LGF, you were promoting this wacked out creationist website:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Featuring this wonderful account of dinosaurs on Noah's Ark:

[Link: creationdefense.org...]

Whatever happened to those dino eggs.....?
Could we be talking about the world's first Dino Egg McMuffin?/

234 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:37pm

Charles , why do you hate the Flintstones?///

235 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:38pm

re: #222 Dianna

It's so badly worded as to induce paranoia in the general public. No matter which side you look at it from.

It was not intended for release to the general public.

236 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I should have voted for Obama. I've become very disillusioned with what Republicans have done over the past few months and I'm happy to have them out of power.

ummmmm. *shaking my head*

237 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #230 robdouth

So true.

238 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:18pm

re: #217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's not a documentary, but rather "inspired by actual events"
/

Didn't you see the part at the beginning of each episode where they had that disclaimer you see at the beginning of some movies:

"Based on actual events"

239 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:22pm

re: #222 Dianna

It's so badly worded as to induce paranoia in the general public. No matter which side you look at it from.


That's the point I was making earlier. It's almost like they want to push people over the edge. I don't get Obama's lack of skill in this and other things he is doing.

240 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:23pm

re: #229 Catttt

Bolt Face logo.

Google it and you will see the source.

The Gadsden flag is a historical American flag with a yellow field depicting a rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike. Positioned below the snake is the legend "DONT TREAD ON ME" [sic]. The flag was designed by and is named after American general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. It was also used by The United States Marine Corps as an early motto flag.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

241 yochanan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:46pm

0it would all depend on who is using the report, if it is a rational non political police figure is one thing if it is a rabid left wing democrat hack then maybe it is rational to be a little worried as said hack would have considered the last POTUS to be some kind of nazi.

242 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:29:52pm

re: #234 dapperdave

Oh great! Now Charles is allienating animated Americans.

/

243 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:18pm

re: #116 Charles

This is lovely, from the Seattle tea party:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

The smaller figure in the picture is GWB. Also on puppet streams. I stood next to this guy for a few minutes and took a picture. The guy next to me called him out on his sign and wanted an explanation for it.

Crowd of 1000. Couple of bad signs out of 400. You could make the point though that this is an example of the issue at LGF. Out of the 1000 people there only one person confronted him about the sign. Most people were self involved elsewhere and not willing to discriminate.

The guy seemed very emotional to me and was uncomfortable explaining himself to the questioner.

244 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:18pm
245 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:22pm

re: #239 Quilly Mammoth

That's the point I was making earlier. It's almost like they want to push people over the edge. I don't get Obama's lack of skill in this and other things he is doing.

The report was not intended for release to the general public.

246 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:24pm

re: #235 Charles

It was not intended for release to the general public.

And they keep secrets so well in Washington? If you print it, it will get out.

247 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:29pm

re: #242 Kenneth

Oh great! Now Charles is allienating animated Americans.

/

Sufferin' Succotash, there go our chances in '12.

248 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:41pm

re: #205 kansas

I can't figure out why it bothers me so much. Could it be that it could be used to paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists?

I think that may be a real possibility. The Left are masters at seizing the language and thus framing the debate. I wouldn't be surprised if, intended or not, that this would be the end result of that.

249 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:53pm

re: #235 Charles

It was not intended for release to the general public.

Well, it's useless for its stated purpose, too. So I can't figure out why it was written at all.

250 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:30:57pm

The lesson I have learned lately is do not put trust in ANY politician - Dem or Republican. They will let you down every time.

I look at all of them with a wary eye.

Bastards.

Stay the hell out of my personal life and keep your gawdam hands off my wallet. And quit trying to teach my kids bullshit.

Keep the country safe, keep the roads in good condition, and deliver the mail. Thats all I need from the feds. Oh the parks are nice too.

251 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:09pm

re: #240 Nevergiveup

The Gadsden flag is a historical American flag with a yellow field depicting a rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike. Positioned below the snake is the legend "DONT TREAD ON ME" [sic]. The flag was designed by and is named after American general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. It was also used by The United States Marine Corps as an early motto flag.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


The Gadsden Flag is famous - no offense, but everyone knows that. I think Killgore was talking about the other flag - and that is the flag I was giving him the info on.

252 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #221 Van Helsing

That was great! I'm still chuckling!

Song written by the great Shel Silverstein.

Anyway, that is why we haven't gotten our unicorns. 0bama hasn't had the chance to propose his time machine project to go back to before Noah's Ark and rescue the unicorns.
/do I need to?

253 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #242 Kenneth

Oh great! Now Charles is allienating animated Americans.

/

Conservatives will threaten to Jetson him from their ranks...

254 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #245 Charles

The report was not intended for release to the general public.

255 opnion  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:46pm

re: #230 robdouth

I would think that Bob Dole, John Kerry, and McCain show that you can't win by running as the anti-other guy candidate. You have to win by being the Pro-"something" candidate. Americans love an optimist. The marginally intelligent sees "Yes we can" as being hokey and simplistic, but a large part of the electorate that doesn't pay much attention prefers "Yes we can" to "Oh my aching back"

John McCain asserting that he does not understand economics was just a stroke of genuis.
I don't think that BHO has a good handler on it, but he at least kept his mouth shut.

256 kansas  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:49pm

re: #245 Charles

The report was not intended for release to the general public.

So in Missouri something like this was released to law enforcement, and to be honest I worry that Barney Fife dressed in black with an automatic weapon might just make some leaps of logic.

257 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:31:57pm

re: #176 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But I thought the dinosaurs didn't make it to the Ark & that's why they're extinct?

/they would have sunk it under the weight

258 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:08pm

Politics: wading through garbage

259 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #238 robdouth

Didn't you see the part at the beginning of each episode where they had that disclaimer you see at the beginning of some movies:

"Based on actual events"

Well, the Flintstones was inspired by The Honeymooners. (Really)

260 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:15pm

re: #252 Kosh's Shadow

Song written by the great Shel Silverstein.

Anyway, that is why we haven't gotten our unicorns. 0bama hasn't had the chance to propose his time machine project to go back to before Noah's Ark and rescue the unicorns.
/do I need to?

Unicorns don't appear in any accounts until the Middle Ages, so clearly they hadn't evolved until then.

261 Last Mohican  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:20pm

re: #245 Charles

The report was not intended for release to the general public.

That's a good point, and I've wondered why it was leaked when it was. Perhaps I'm developing a streak of Paulian paranoia, but I wonder if it was part of the loosely organized Democratic party plan to discredit the Tea Party protests by making its participants look ridiculous at best, and dangerously radical at worst.

262 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:21pm

re: #228 Charles

I'm having a hard time with my crystal ball lately... peering into 2012 brings up nothing but clouds of confusion and ads for Nestea.

263 yochanan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:22pm

re: #212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

that would be BULKSHIT 4 sure

264 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:24pm

re: #53 Catttt

Proactive heads up warnings of POSSIBLE threats and warning signs to look for is a large part of the job of DHS. They warn about all sorts of things. Would you rather that they pull back on this possible threat or that possible threat because most people in the group are upstanding people? That is the case with almost all people, but in each group, there are possible, small threat sources. A handful of people caused 9/11, and a lead on one of them, followed up on, would have stopped them.

Your point is well taken about profiling. But consider the following statement:

A small percentage of X is responsible for some of behavior Y.

Guess what? X can be any group and Y can be behavior. It can only be a meaningful statement from a Federal law enforcement standpoint if X is a small enough group to reasonably target and Y is a severe enough behavior to warrant government surveillance or action.

Note also that the statement talks about "willingness". That means the DHS is claiming a mental shift in the mental state of veterans generally to the right.

265 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:26pm

re: #246 Nevergiveup

And they keep secrets so well in Washington? If you print it, it will get out.

I think they have a point Charles, whether or not intended for public consumption, anything that makes hay politically will cause hayfeverish sneezes in the press. That's why I never believe any UFO conspiracy theory stuff or never even once doubted the 9-11 story. The government couldn't keep a lid on tupperware let alone important secrets.

266 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:32:54pm

re: #251 Catttt

The Gadsden Flag is famous - no offense, but everyone knows that. I think Killgore was talking about the other flag - and that is the flag I was giving him the info on.

hey I just had Oral Surgery and I am self medicating. Give me a break.

267 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:25pm

re: #234 dapperdave

Charles , why do you hate the Flintstones?///

Because it proves Dinosaurs and Humans lived together.........

268 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #245 Charles

The report was not intended for release to the general public.

I still don't see what difference that makes? Besides being difficult, if not impossible to prove, would it be better that this remain unknown?

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #229 Catttt

Ah, Thanks.

270 TheHistorian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #211 Charles

Charles, I would like to agree with you, but this has happened on a lot of beliefs in the past. What is now hate speech used to be, and should be, allowed by the First Amendment.

271 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:33pm

re: #258 NYCHardhat

Politics: wading through garbage sewage

FTFY, How are you doing today?

272 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #252 Kosh's Shadow

Song written by the great Shel Silverstein.

Anyway, that is why we haven't gotten our unicorns. 0bama hasn't had the chance to propose his time machine project to go back to before Noah's Ark and rescue the unicorns.
/do I need to?

That was Uncle Shelby? The guy that could go from the Light in the Attic and Where the Sidewalk Ends to Freakin' at the Freakers Ball?

Good stuff all the way around.

273 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:43pm

re: #253 Occasional Reader

Conservatives will threaten to Jetson him from their ranks...

He's already pissed off Fred and Dino. I hear Hoparoo is too mellow to care.

274 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:46pm

Jews control Obama?

/wow, sure couldn't tell from his Israel policy

275 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #261 Last Mohican

That's a good point, and I've wondered why it was leaked when it was. Perhaps I'm developing a streak of Paulian paranoia, but I wonder if it was part of the loosely organized Democratic party plan to discredit the Tea Party protests by making its participants look ridiculous at best, and dangerously radical at worst.

It was leaked because that is what people do in Washington. That and not pay taxes?

276 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:08pm

re: #263 yochanan

that would be BULKSHIT 4 sure

Perfect usage!

277 freetoken  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:26pm

re: #243 hazzyday


Crowd of 1000. Couple of bad signs out of 400.

What do you think of the "restore the constitution" signs?

278 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:28pm

The mainstream media lies its ass off? Shocking, I mean really. What about the Paragon of virtue, the New York Times?

279 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:31pm

Something tells me that if Mr. Waxman gets his way, my woodpile will be useless as a source of home heating.

Waxman Won’t Compromise on 20% Carbon Cap in Climate Measure

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman said he won’t compromise on his proposed 20 percent reduction in greenhouse gases over the next decade in the face of criticism from lawmakers who say the economy could suffer.

Oh well, it's already warmed me twice.

280 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #266 Nevergiveup

hey I just had Oral Surgery and I am self medicating. Give me a break.

I hope you weren't self-surgeoning too....

281 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #253 Occasional Reader

Conservatives will threaten to Jetson him from their ranks...

... and Charles will calmly reply, "ah'm your Huckleberry... Hound me all you want."

/c'mon, work with me here, people

282 fizzlogic  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:43pm

Years ago the dream for conservatives was an objective media. But what we got is currently driving people away from conservatism and the GOP.

283 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #271 DEZes

FTFY, How are you doing today?

I'm going to head-butt someone, but I'm doing well. You?

284 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Ah, Thanks.

Here's were they sell those.

Like I mentioned earlier it's for the SEBR AR15.

285 Last Mohican  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #260 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Unicorns don't appear in any accounts until the Middle Ages, so clearly they hadn't evolved until then.

Typical closed-minded Darwinist drivel!

God created the unicorns at the same time as all the other animals. It's just that they were microscopically small until the Middle Ages, so nobody knew they were there.

/

286 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:05pm
287 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:14pm

re: #274 Killian Bundy

Jews control Obama?

/wow, sure couldn't tell from his Israel policy

Yeah and the Palestinians are actually funded and trained by the Israelis to keep the Israeli public on their toes...

288 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:35pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

I hope you weren't self-surgeoning too....

I tried that and figured it was time to stop playing frontier dentist.

289 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:41pm

re: #281 Occasional Reader

... and Charles will calmly reply, "ah'm your Huckleberry... Hound me all you want."

/c'mon, work with me here, people

Don't make me go all G.I. Joe on ya....

;-P

290 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:43pm

re: #228 Charles

Ok, then the issue is how to address that lobby. If it is indeed as malignant a power broker as we all perceive, then what is the remedy? How do we immediately counteract it.

Historically, the Klan was a power-broker in the south. No candidate -mostly on the local levels--advanced without Klan approval-even in the late 60's. George Wallace is an example. Also JKF needed LBJ on the ticket to carry the south in 60 (not that LBJ had ties to the Klan as far as I know) This is an oversimplification, but it took the Dems a major crash n' burn before they were able to finally cut ties to the Klan. Do you see that something similar is needed in the GOP (not that it has not already happened) before the Creation lobby is quieted.

291 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #260 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Unicorns don't appear in any accounts until the Middle Ages, so clearly they hadn't evolved until then.

So Shel was wrong about what happened to them?
I bet there was never a Boy Named Sue, either!
/

292 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:35:55pm

re: #282 trendsurfer

Years ago the dream for conservatives was an objective media. But what we got is currently driving people away from conservatism and the GOP.

The media needs to be destroyed. Otherwise, we have no chance.

293 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:36:29pm

re: #260 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Unicorns don't appear in any accounts until the Middle Ages, so clearly they hadn't evolved until then.

Wrong. Dinosaurs and unicorns roamed the earth together in harmony at
the same time beginning exactly 10,000 years ago.
/

294 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:36:58pm

re: #270 TheHistorian

Charles, I would like to agree with you, but this has happened on a lot of beliefs in the past. What is now hate speech used to be, and should be, allowed by the First Amendment.

What is now hate speech is still allowed by the first amendment when anyone bothers to take it to court. The proof of this is the many white supremacist websites I can point you to.

295 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:00pm

Charles, you can't stop them from going crazy. I applaud the effort but you aren't even slowing down them down. It's an instinctive thing going on and they can't see it.

296 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #283 NYCHardhat

I'm going to head-butt someone, but I'm doing well. You?

Its Friday, I can sleep late this weekend and I have plenty of refreshments, in simpler terms, I am good. ;)

297 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #293 KenJen

Wrong. Dinosaurs and unicorns roamed the earth together in harmony at
the same time beginning exactly 10,000 years ago.
/

Also John the Baptist had a pet dinosaur named Dino that always caused problems at his baptisms.

298 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #266 Nevergiveup

hey I just had Oral Surgery and I am self medicating. Give me a break.

Sowwy. I am out of Camels. :D

299 JHW  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:30pm

re: #171 Honorary Yooper

Here's one, but I don't see the symbol? Possible labor union flag maybe?
A.D.L. Visual Database of Hate Symbols

300 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:37:54pm
301 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:14pm

I need to go shopping while it's still light out, so my glasses will turn dark in the sun. I love that.

302 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:17pm

re: #260 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Unicorns don't appear in any accounts until the Middle Ages, so clearly they hadn't evolved until then.

They only appear to virgins, you know.

303 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:24pm

re: #272 Van Helsing

That was Uncle Shelby? The guy that could go from the Light in the Attic and Where the Sidewalk Ends to Freakin' at the Freakers Ball?

Good stuff all the way around.

Yes it was. From kids' books to poems in Playboy.

304 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:28pm

re: #274 Killian Bundy

Jews control Obama?

/wow, sure couldn't tell from his Israel policy

You're not diving deep enough into to conspiracy pool.
By keeping Israel in constant state of fear, international Jewery, intent on ruling the Earth can continue to extort guilt money from the US gubmint, so they can continue to keep Israel in a state of fear and.... Picture Ouroboros.

And no, I didn't make it up and I don't believe it. Just in case someone wants to deep-end on it.
Don't start with the diaper puns either.

305 fizzlogic  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #292 NYCHardhat

The media needs to be destroyed. Otherwise, we have no chance.

If you're referring to the "conservative" media then I agree.

306 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:30pm

re: #290 calcajun

And I am in no way equating the Creation lobby with the Klan on ANY moral, political, theological, economic level. The similarity is drawn only as a distinction to a detrimental influence on a political party and how to shake it off. I am in NO way saying the religious right is like the Klan in any way other than a potential detrimental affect it might have on a national party.

Thanks.

307 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:34pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Charles, you can't stop them from going crazy. I applaud the effort but you aren't even slowing down them down. It's an instinctive thing going on and they can't see it.

Define them? Killgore, I respect your comments, but voting for Obama is crazy to me.

308 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:44pm

re: #261 Last Mohican

That's a good point, and I've wondered why it was leaked when it was. Perhaps I'm developing a streak of Paulian paranoia, but I wonder if it was part of the loosely organized Democratic party plan to discredit the Tea Party protests by making its participants look ridiculous at best, and dangerously radical at worst.

That is my take on the DHS "Right Wing Extremists" warning. It was nothing but a good old fashioned smear job on the right and aimed at softening up the Tea Party demonstrations. As for the WashTimes and others, blowing it out of proportion did not help the cause much either, it hurt it.

309 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:51pm
310 Last Mohican  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:38:51pm

re: #301 Catttt

I need to go shopping while it's still light out, so my glasses will turn dark in the sun. I love that.

It's the little things in life that make each day something to look forward to...

311 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:11pm

re: #293 KenJen

Wrong. Dinosaurs and unicorns roamed the earth together in harmony at
the same time beginning exactly 10,000 years ago.
/

Everyone remembers that famous passage in John chapter 5 in the New New creationist version bible, where Jesus was eating lunch with the disciples and said, "God bless tha man who... holy shit Tyrannosaurus Rex, take cover at Simon Peter's house!"

312 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:15pm

Not to excuse the lying, but the left side of the political aisle takes the cake, as far as false reporting goes. I am not saying the right side should do the same. It just shows how far journalism has sunk.

313 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #305 trendsurfer

If you're referring to the "conservative" media then I agree.

no.

314 Bubbaman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:43pm

re: #119 GlockNspell

That's it! I've cancelled my subscription to the Washington Times and am now the proud owner of a 12 month subscription to the Washington Post.

Is this supposed to be funny? The WaPo is the biggest anti-American, anti-Semitic screed in this country. You can't be serious?

The WT's is filled with great articles, a lot of international news, and cogent op-ed's. If they screwed up here, and it appears that they may have, then the Times should be called on it. Rather than ranting and bashing one of the only truly progressive papers in the country write the author of the article and demand a clarification or retraction. If you receive a reply, post it here.

315 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:50pm

re: #298 Catttt

Sowwy. I am out of Camels. :D

Camels? I'm drinking because I don't want to take narcotics

316 kansas  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:52pm

re: #198 Charles

Oh, well, Maynard Ferguson did call me an asshole at the end of one of his performances a few years ago. Gonna go home now. Gettin some Coronas. Thanks for the discussion

317 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:39:54pm

re: #211 Charles

This is, of course, exactly BACKWARDS. The report says that right-wing extremists often hold those views. It does NOT say that everyone who holds those views is a right wing extremist.

But then, I don't expect logic from someone thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

Did you just call him a Hi-Stone-ian?

318 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:40:06pm

re: #284 Gus 802

Here's were they sell those.

Like I mentioned earlier it's for the SEBR AR15.

Oh noes, gunz! Hied teh Mecksikan armee!

319 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:40:09pm

re: #279 razorbacker

Something tells me that if Mr. Waxman gets his way, my woodpile will be useless as a source of home heating.

Waxman Won’t Compromise on 20% Carbon Cap in Climate Measure

Oh well, it's already warmed me twice.

Tell him to jam his damn cap up his proboscis.

320 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:40:19pm

re: #291 Kosh's Shadow

So Shel was wrong about what happened to them?
I bet there was never a Boy Named Sue, either!
/

Heretic! Burn him (her) it!
Whatever.

321 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:41:00pm

re: #314 Bubbaman

Is this supposed to be funny? The WaPo is the biggest anti-American, anti-Semitic screed in this country. You can't be serious?

The WT's is filled with great articles, a lot of international news, and cogent op-ed's. If they screwed up here, and it appears that they may have, then the Times should be called on it. Rather than ranting and bashing one of the only truly progressive papers in the country write the author of the article and demand a clarification or retraction. If you receive a reply, post it here.

Well actually I think the NYT's take the cake but why quibble

322 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:41:11pm
323 Gus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:41:42pm

re: #318 OldLineTexan

Oh noes, gunz! Hied teh Mecksikan armee!

Pon-cho Veel-a livs!

//Oops I just noticed I typed were instead of where.

//Typo police.

324 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:41:46pm

re: #303 Kosh's Shadow

Yes it was. From kids' books to poems in Playboy.

I have a vague memory of 'Never Bite a Married Woman on the Thigh'. Words of wisdom for me back in the day.

325 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:41:47pm

Dang it, people! My finger is tired from updinging the awesome comments, already! Please, get drunk and get silly (although that may result in even more updings). Or, better yet, let a troll come here so I can downding it for a change.

326 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:42:27pm

re: #322 taxfreekiller

released to law enforcement nation wide

how many is that?
did the report say,,, "Top Secret" your eyes only

Well, you could find out what it says by ... you know ... reading it. Just a suggestion.

327 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:42:49pm

re: #325 Natasha

Buy us a round and we'll stop.///

328 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:42:51pm

re: #285 Last Mohican

Typical closed-minded Darwinist drivel!

God created the unicorns at the same time as all the other animals. It's just that they were microscopically small until the Middle Ages, so nobody knew they were there.

/

You need to be more open-minded! I mean, you need to believe what I believe!

329 TheHistorian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:43:14pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Nor was half of the stuff that the Washington Post publishes. Go look up classified and Washington Post together and see what you get. Secrets are the most fleeting of all, aren't they? Only fools put in print what they cannot defend.

And unlike #115 by Killgore Trout, I am pleased that there are some people in Congress who will pin DHS to the wall on their allegations.

BTW, when will we see the report on the Black Panthers and the ELF? Never, I bet!

330 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #319 acwgusa

Tell him to jam his damn cap up his proboscis.

Mr. Waxman does seem to give credence to the idea that politics is simply showbiz for the unattractive.

331 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:43:47pm

Actually, the report was not "Top Secret" classified. It was FOUO, "For Official Use Only". Technically, not classified at all, just recommended for a certain audience.

332 cronus  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:43:47pm

The Thomas More Law Center (the same group that defended the creationist school board members in the Dover trial) has filed a lawsuit against DHS regarding this policy.

The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, announced that yesterday evening it filed a federal lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The lawsuit claims that her Department’s “Rightwing Extremism Policy,” as reflected in the recently publicized Intelligence Assessment, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” violates the civil liberties of combat veterans as well as American citizens by targeting them for disfavored treatment on account of their political beliefs.
333 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:43:56pm

re: #315 Nevergiveup

Camels? I'm drinking because I don't want to take narcotics

I have an extreme over-reaction to everything like that, including booze, so I stick to coffee, cigs, and Rockstar. And Raman (hah).

334 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

The only conservative-leaning newspaper with any national reach that seems to have its proverbial shit together is the Wall Street Journal, from what I can see. It's a shame.

If some addled Congresswoman has her way, you'll soon be able to claim a tax credit of up to $200 for newspaper subscriptions, in the hopes of "stimulating" print media. Or something.

Two hundred bucks would put a WSJ subscription within reach. I wonder if her bill will include an exclusion for business periodicals? Somehow, I doubt it was the WSJ she had in mind when it came to "saving" anything.

If such a bill passes, it might represent a golden opportunity for more conservative organizations to publish their views and get them distributed. At government expense, which doesn't exactly fit in with their mission statement, I guess, but what the hell...

335 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:44:22pm

re: #325 Natasha

Dang it, people! My finger is tired from updinging the awesome comments, already! Please, get drunk and get silly (although that may result in even more updings). Or, better yet, let a troll come here so I can downding it for a change.

Drunk I can do. Unfortunately you've read the best I have to offer.
But if you're buying, I like single malts and ale.

336 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:44:33pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We are reliving the 1970s, after all.


The 70's really sucked.

337 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #327 calcajun

Buy us a round and we'll stop.///


You got it! Tell the bartender to put it on my tab. Why not?! :)

338 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:03pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

Streaking was fun.

339 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:06pm

re: #302 OldLineTexan

They only appear to virgins, you know.

That explains why they keep coming up in Star Trek fanfic.

340 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:31pm
341 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:31pm

re: #337 Natasha

You'll need your own bail-out with my order alone.

342 acwgusa  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:34pm

re: #330 razorbacker

Mr. Waxman does seem to give credence to the idea that politics is simply showbiz for the unattractive.

You can see his tiny shriveled brain through his nose, I swear.

343 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:41pm

A friend of mine who went to the San Jose Tea Party with me tells me that there was a counter-protester there with a confederate flag. He kept trying to infiltrate. People very politely explained that this was not acceptable. And I do mean very politely.

I did not see this. I am short, and was pretty much in the middle of the crowd. My friend is 6'4", and was on the perimeter. I relate this to make it clear that I am not an eyewitness; my friend is not an LGF member.

If a picture was taken, and put up on any site of that flag, that picture would be taken as a sure sign that there were many, many racists at the San Jose Tea Party.

Do you see the problem?

344 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:42pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

Speak for yourself, John.

/I enjoyed third grade

345 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:45pm

re: #329 TheHistorian

Nor was half of the stuff that the Washington Post publishes. Go look up classified and Washington Post together and see what you get. Secrets are the most fleeting of all, aren't they? Only fools put in print what they cannot defend.

And unlike #115 by Killgore Trout, I am pleased that there are some people in Congress who will pin DHS to the wall on their allegations.

BTW, when will we see the report on the Black Panthers and the ELF? Never, I bet!

Actually I believe I heard either from Charles or another poster here that there was a left wing version released earlier in the year that claimed the left-wing extremists would probably try cyber-terrorist tactics over the next 10 years. Does someone have a link to that one?

So yeah the government under both Bush and Obama went ahead with a release of the threat of left-wing extremists in this country also.

346 Cato  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:52pm

Agreed, They should have done what the NY Times does --
lead with the distortion and then tell you it is a distortion in the 20th paragraph.

BTW, this is an example of the wretched state of journalism today:

[Link: hotair.com...]

347 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:45:58pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

Great time for rock and roll, Trans Ams and .....
I better leave that part out.

348 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #338 Catttt

Streaking was fun.

I remember seeing you streaking once, back in the 70s. I promptly alerted all my trucker buddies, via CB radio.

349 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

Yeah! Lots of serial killers in those days.

350 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #344 OldLineTexan

How many times?////

351 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #338 Catttt

Streaking was fun.

Yay! Streaking!
OK, if I try to virtua-streak here, please stop me!

352 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:37pm
353 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:46:39pm

re: #339 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That explains why they keep coming up in Star Trek fanfic.

Great Futurama episode, pushing the Trekkies into a volcano one by one..."He's dead, Jim ... He's dead, Jim ... He's dead, Jim..."

354 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #347 DEZes

Great time for rock and roll, Trans Ams and .....
I better leave that part out.

ludes?

355 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #343 Dianna

I do, but there are some that will not.

356 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:15pm

re: #331 Natasha

Actually, the report was not "Top Secret" classified. It was FOUO, "For Official Use Only". Technically, not classified at all, just recommended for a certain audience.

What FOUO actually means

Interesting stuff.

357 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:38pm

re: #324 Van Helsing

I have a vague memory of 'Never Bite a Married Woman on the Thigh'. Words of wisdom for me back in the day.

I can quote most of "The Great Smoke-Off" that I recorded off Dr. Demento years ago.
"She can smoke them faster than anyone can roll"
"I can roll them faster than any chick can smoke"

358 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #350 calcajun

How many times?////

Duh, he said the '70's, dooooood.

/

359 aggieann  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

The only conservative-leaning newspaper with any national reach that seems to have its proverbial shit together is the Wall Street Journal, from what I can see. It's a shame.

Investors Business Daily does a good job.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:47:55pm

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"My father, never touched the door knob to open the door to our room in his life."

Love that album!

361 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:07pm

re: #338 Catttt

Streaking was fun.

Ray Stevens apparently agreed....

;-P

362 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:13pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

Great Futurama episode, pushing the Trekkies into a volcano one by one..."He's dead, Jim ... He's dead, Jim ... He's dead, Jim..."

In a way, you asked for it Star Trekkin'

363 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:18pm

re: #351 Natasha

Yay! Streaking!
OK, if I try to virtua-streak here, please stop me!

We streaked the boys' dorm one night. I drove the getaway car (my 1961 Caddy), and it was a good thing I was there, because boys chase naked girls, as it turns out. It was a hoot.

364 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:19pm

re: #347 DEZes

Great time for rock and roll, Trans Ams and .....
I better leave that part out.

Sideburns?

365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:27pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

Me, Star Wars & the Flyers Stanley Cup victories are the only good things that came out of the 70s. Otherwise, I really think that God was working on "Plan B"

366 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:48:28pm

re: #354 NYCHardhat

ludes?

I liked beer and young ladies, and in that order. ;)

367 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:06pm

re: #358 OldLineTexan

Duh, he said the '70's, dooooood.

/

Yeh .. I lived the 70s .. very heady years. Wet nappies ... trying to walk .. creche ... first teeth ...

Very heady years.

368 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:12pm

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"My father, never touched the door knob to open the door to our room in his life."

Love that album!

"The police are your mother & father." LOL

369 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:21pm

re: #338 Catttt

Streaking was fun.

I remember one night, after hours contemplating the magic of hops, water, and yeast a friend and I decided to streak the girls dorm at the local Baptist college.

Things went just great until we hit the exit door and discovered that they locked the poor girls in at night.

Talk about your 'walk of shame'.

370 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:31pm

We tortured Abu Zubaydah with caterpillars?

/really?

371 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #34 Thanos

Two lies don't equal truth.

Engaging in political theater isn't about truth, it's about engaging the emotions of people enough to act. The Times piece is propaganda to counter propaganda. I consider the Times omission of a weaselly qualifier to be a sin of omission from a partisan, but the DHS document could actually interfere with the civil rights of Americans through the actions of local law enforcement.

372 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:42pm

re: #365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Me, Star Wars & the Flyers Stanley Cup victories are the only good things that came out of the 70s. Otherwise, I really think that God was working on "Plan B"

Totally not true. As DEzes said, there was some great rock and roll in the 70s.

373 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:44pm

re: #338 Catttt

Streaking was fun.

One streaker at my high school tripped and skidded, face down, on the street that ran through the campus.

There was a perfectly classic picture of one girl, who saw it, standing with her hands over her mouth, her eyes just huge.

374 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #329 TheHistorian

Nor was half of the stuff that the Washington Post publishes. Go look up classified and Washington Post together and see what you get. Secrets are the most fleeting of all, aren't they? Only fools put in print what they cannot defend.

And unlike #115 by Killgore Trout, I am pleased that there are some people in Congress who will pin DHS to the wall on their allegations.

BTW, when will we see the report on the Black Panthers and the ELF? Never, I bet!

Well, you can find ELF here.

375 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #369 razorbacker

Heh.

376 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:22pm

re: #341 calcajun

You'll need your own bail-out with my order alone.

LOL... I assure you, it will not be necessary.

377 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #366 DEZes

I liked beer and young ladies, and in that order. ;)

shit, mine would have to be low taxes, young ladies, cougars, beer, weed, assault rifles, and the occasional acid flashback.

378 Bubbaman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:27pm

re: #321 Nevergiveup

Well actually I think the NYT's take the cake but why quibble

I canceled my NYT's subscription many years ago. I've been WaPo free for about 1 1/2 years. Providing international terrorists such as AchtungImonjihad, Shitvez, and other ne'er-do-wells a platform and legitimacy is just unacceptable in my opinion.

I would no more frequent a restaurant with a sign "colored's not wanted" than I would read a newspaper that says such things about Jews and Americans. Although, I am not normally one who enjoys seeing enterprises fail, in this case the demise of the NYT's and WaPo would be a breath of fresh air.

379 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:33pm

More sleepers showing up in the 'LGF on Glenn Beck' thread.

380 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:35pm

re: #369 razorbacker

I remember one night, after hours contemplating the magic of hops, water, and yeast a friend and I decided to streak the girls dorm at the local Baptist college.

Things went just great until we hit the exit door and discovered that they locked the poor girls in at night.

Talk about your 'walk of shame'.

All you had to do was tell them you were sweating and all about "shrinkage"?

381 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:41pm

re: #348 Occasional Reader

I remember seeing you streaking once, back in the 70s. I promptly alerted all my trucker buddies, via CB radio.

Breaker, breaker 1-9, this is O.R. comin' at ya pedal down and tea party bound. Y'all have that truckload of Nazis back off a hundred miles, I can smell 'em from here. And keep an eye out for the DHS bears in the air. Put the vet wagon in the rockin' chair, come back.

382 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:50:50pm

re: #322 taxfreekiller

Generally something that says "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" and then repeats it as FOUO at the beginning of practically every paragraph, is not intended for general public consumption.

383 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:04pm

re: #370 Killian Bundy

We tortured Abu Zubaydah with caterpillars?

/really?

yeah. I know.

384 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:06pm

re: #365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Me, Star Wars & the Flyers Stanley Cup victories are the only good things that came out of the 70s. Otherwise, I really think that God was working on "Plan B"

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, RUSH, Yes, the Who, the Stones....they all made their best music in the 70's.

Punk Rock and New Wave music started in the late 70's.

With the exception of the hairdos, I loved the 70's. I grew up in that decade, started getting interested in politics in the 70's. Lost my virginity in the 70's!

Rag all you want on that decade, it was a good one for me.

385 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #369 razorbacker

I remember one night, after hours contemplating the magic of hops, water, and yeast a friend and I decided to streak the girls dorm at the local Baptist college.

Things went just great until we hit the exit door and discovered that they locked the poor girls in at night.

Talk about your 'walk of shame'.

Ha. That would - stink. :D

Our RA ran after two streaking boys one night (we all just watched.:D ) She came back - told us she'd caught them but then let them go because, and I quote,"I didn't know what to do with them." ROFL!

386 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:09pm

re: #347 DEZes

The only good thing to come out of the 70's was Loni Anderson and the Reagan revolution.

387 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #377 NYCHardhat

shit, mine would have to be low taxes, young ladies, cougars, beer, weed, assault rifles, and the occasional acid flashback.

My acid flashbacks only take me back to the five mins before I took it. Obviously I should get some stronger ones so I can go further back.

388 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:22pm

re: #372 ConservatismNow!

Totally not true. As DEzes said, there was some great rock and roll in the 70s.

True. It does get overshadowed by the disco.

389 Lee Coller  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:23pm
The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups in the 1990’s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

Every time I read this it bothers me, and I finally placed by finger on it. It's what is after the "because." I bet this "small percentage" were willing even before they enlisted.

390 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:50pm

re: #379 Charles

Whack a mole time?

391 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Me, Star Wars & the Flyers Stanley Cup victories are the only good things that came out of the 70s.

Aren't you forgetting something?

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:01pm

re: #357 Kosh's Shadow

Written by Shel Silverstein.

393 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:09pm

I went to college in the Colorado Rockies (way up in them). We called it "blue streaking" there. :D

394 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #383 NYCHardhat

yeah. I know.

/that's not torture, it's comedy gold

395 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #385 Catttt

Ha. That would - stink. :D

Our RA ran after two streaking boys one night (we all just watched.:D ) She came back - told us she'd caught them but then let them go because, and I quote,"I didn't know what to do with them." ROFL!

That's why she was an RA and lonely?

396 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:21pm

re: #363 Catttt

We streaked the boys' dorm one night. I drove the getaway car (my 1961 Caddy), and it was a good thing I was there, because boys chase naked girls, as it turns out. It was a hoot.

You are my hero! Or heroine, as it is. All I can say is: U DA BOMB! And here I thought I was cool putting toothpaste and shaving cream on the boys' faces and in their shoes when in the dorms at my boarding school when I was 10.

397 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:23pm

re: #384 Desert Dog

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, RUSH, Yes, the Who, the Stones....they all made their best music in the 70's.

Punk Rock and New Wave music started in the late 70's.

With the exception of the hairdos, I loved the 70's. I grew up in that decade, started getting interested in politics in the 70's. Lost my virginity in the 70's!

Rag all you want on that decade, it was a good one for me.

Alan Parsons Project, Uriah Heep, some great Jethro Tull...

398 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #379 Charles

ITS WHACK A MOLE KINDA FUN !

399 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #363 Catttt

We streaked the boys' dorm one night. I drove the getaway car (my 1961 Caddy), and it was a good thing I was there, because boys chase naked girls, as it turns out. It was a hoot.

It's an evolved characteristic. Y'all stopped sitting under trees waiting for fruit. :(

400 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #380 Nevergiveup

All you had to do was tell them you were sweating and all about "shrinkage"?

As the fellow with me bellowed out, "Get an eyefull girls, you ain't likely to see this again!"

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:04pm

re: #384 Desert Dog

Lost my virginity in the seventies. I think she was seventy-two.

402 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:12pm

re: #336 Scorch

The 70's really sucked.

I was a teenager in southern California. I spent my free time either surfing or riding my horse. It only took 40 mins to get to LA from way south Orange County. Rides at Disneyland had maybe a 20 minute wait. All the guys had long hair.

I could do with some 70's right now!

403 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:15pm

re: #387 Buster Bunny

Peyote works much better.

404 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:18pm

re: #394 Killian Bundy

/that's not torture, it's comedy gold

Again. I know. I shake my head because republicans do not fight back when smeared or attacked by the libs.

405 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #379 Charles

More sleepers showing up in the 'LGF on Glenn Beck' thread.

Yay, sleepers! I love me a good meltdown!
/*donning radiation suit*/
Must go check it out!

406 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:35pm

re: #393 Catttt

I went to college in the Colorado Rockies (way up in them). We called it "blue streaking" there. :D

It maybe time for crazy college stories...
Who is first?

407 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:49pm

re: #203 Eowyn2

after the 70s came.......DISCO

Disco was in the 70's along with that terrible polyester crap. Nothings worse than wearing a barrel of oil on your back.

408 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:51pm

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lost my virginity in the seventies. I think she was seventy-two.

Evil bastard.
funny, but evil.

409 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:53:54pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

It's an evolved characteristic. Y'all stopped sitting under trees waiting for fruit. :(

Well, if you kept announcing yourself to girls as "hi! I'm a fruit!", what did you expect?

410 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:01pm

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

411 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:03pm

re: #370 Killian Bundy

We tortured Abu Zubaydah with caterpillars?

/really?

D-12s. Frakkin' transcriptionist doesn't know shit.

/

412 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:18pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

It's an evolved characteristic. Y'all stopped sitting under trees waiting for fruit. :(

You can count on it. :D

413 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:29pm

re: #409 Occasional Reader

Well, if you kept announcing yourself to girls as "hi! I'm a fruit!", what did you expect?

It's that damned snake's fault.

/

414 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #405 Natasha

Yay, sleepers! I love me a good meltdown!
/*donning radiation suit*/
Must go check it out!

I'm on the grill tonight ... I feel that the last couple of troll rumps were a bit underdone. Sure there were plenty of them .. but they were a little raw.

415 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #406 HoosierHoops

It maybe time for crazy college stories...
Who is first?

I have a lot of them - I went to a crazy college.

416 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:50pm

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lost my virginity in the seventies. I think she was seventy-two.

Wunnerful, thang, the willingness of the experienced to show a young fellow a new wrinkle.

417 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:53pm

re: #408 Van Helsing

Evil bastard.
funny, but evil.

Hey, terrorists blow themselves up for a 72-year-old virgin. Must be darn good! Or something...

418 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:54:56pm

re: #377 NYCHardhat

shit, mine would have to be low taxes, young ladies, cougars, beer, weed, assault rifles, and the occasional acid flashback.

Taxes were low then, in 78 I bought a shiny new black Trans AM,
The same year I graduated.
And Hunting and fishing were top priorities, assault rifles for deer, nah.
I did do a few drugs, and I did inhale.;)

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:00pm

re: #410 Charles

They dingin' down the Times?
/

420 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:05pm

re: #389 Lee Coller

Every time I read this it bothers me, and I finally placed by finger on it. It's what is after the "because." I bet this "small percentage" were willing even before they enlisted.

No footnotes or siting of reports to back up these vague claims, no specifics, no time frames, no names or even hints of names listed for these "groups". This report was BS from the beginning. It is a purely political instrument. And, from the looks of things, a successful one too. It painted everyone at those Tea Parties as a kook and it marginalized the Republicans. Score one for Team Obama and his evil minion, Janet.

421 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:07pm

re: #410 Charles

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

The only one that rings a bell to me is Ziggyelman? And I could be wrong about that.

422 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:17pm

OK, people - I am going shopping, dammit.

See you-all later.

423 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:24pm

re: #415 Catttt

I have a lot of them - I went to a crazy college.

which was?

424 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #382 ArchangelMichael

Generally something that says "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY" and then repeats it as FOUO at the beginning of practically every paragraph, is not intended for general public consumption.

Those indicators at the beginning of the paragraphs are part of required markups for classified documents. They indicate the classification of specific paragraphs. While FOUO is not an official level of classification, it is part of the markup requirements.

425 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

I do, but there are some that will not.

It doesn't matter.

I'm unhappy.

426 Desert Dog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #393 Catttt

I went to college in the Colorado Rockies (way up in them). We called it "blue streaking" there. :D

Were did you go? Fort Lewis? Adams State? Western?

427 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:36pm

re: #414 Buster Bunny

I'm on the grill tonight ... I feel that the last couple of troll rumps were a bit underdone. Sure there were plenty of them .. but they were a little raw.

That's when you marinate them with some vino, before you toss them on the grill. Then, BAM!

428 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:55:36pm

re: #411 OldLineTexan

D-12s. Frakkin' transcriptionist doesn't know shit.

/

St. Pancake method of questioning?

429 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:00pm

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

come on out folks.

430 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #424 CyanSnowHawk

Correct. FOUO is actually treated as Confidential for handling purposes.

431 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:17pm

It tells us what we need to win.

/or else it gets the caterpillar again

432 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #413 OldLineTexan

It's that damned snake's fault.

/

Whoa! Dude, that was so uncalled for!

433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:29pm

re: #391 Occasional Reader

Aren't you forgetting something?

Daisy Duke was more my cup of tea.

434 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:46pm

The space shuttle Endeavour rolled out to a Florida launch pad on Friday to stand by for an unprecedented rescue mission NASA hopes it never has to fly.

Endeavour arrived at Launch Pad 39B at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Fla., at 7:17 a.m. EDT (1117 GMT), where it will be primed to launch within weeks of any emergency aboard its sister ship Atlantis during next month's risky repair mission to the Hubble Space Telescope.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

That's a confidence building technique?

435 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:53pm

re: #410 Charles

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

Wall of shame contestants.

436 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:53pm

re: #429 NYCHardhat

I thought freehoney was ok? .. Apparently not.

437 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:56:55pm

re: #425 Dianna

It doesn't matter.

I'm unhappy.

me too dear. me too.

438 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:57:09pm

re: #415 Catttt

I have a lot of them - I went to a crazy college.

Me too..I went to college in California...We had a blast being young and crazy..

439 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:57:27pm

Do you think the righties are trying to start civil unrest?

440 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:57:29pm

re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Daisy Duke was more my cup of tea.

I wouldn't throw either.....well you get the point.

441 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:57:42pm

re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Only one cup?//

442 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:57:58pm

re: #402 Russkilitlover

I was a teenager in southern California. I spent my free time either surfing or riding my horse. It only took 40 mins to get to LA from way south Orange County. Rides at Disneyland had maybe a 20 minute wait. All the guys had long hair.

I could do with some 70's right now!

I grew up in Simi Valley. Left for KY when I was 13. It was a hard transition but I grew to love it here. I really miss the weather.

443 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:11pm

Most newspapers do sensationalist stories to sell copy. so at this point, I ignore anything they say, and wait until it filters down into the Blogosphere before commenting.

The Times is trying (badly) to sell copy at this point

444 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:12pm

re: #381 OldLineTexan

Breaker, breaker 1-9, this is O.R. comin' at ya pedal down and tea party bound. Y'all have that truckload of Nazis back off a hundred miles, I can smell 'em from here. And keep an eye out for the DHS bears in the air. Put the vet wagon in the rockin' chair, come back.


ROTFLMAO!

445 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:29pm

re: #439 Wishing

Do you think the righties are trying to start civil unrest?

No. We're too polite. We'd send out invitations first./

446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:30pm

Time to call it a day Lizards.

447 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:39pm

re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Daisy Duke was more my cup of tea.

Cup of tea?

YOU RONPAULIAN NEO-NAZI!

448 fizzlogic  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:39pm

Back in the 70s my high school had designated smoking areas for the students. The first time I ever smelled marijuana was at a high school football game. The 70s were great. Heh

449 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #424 CyanSnowHawk

Yep they all say either U//FOUO, U//LES, or U. I'm not sure what LES stands for in this context, I might just be having a brainfart though.

Regardless, to anyone who has worked with government documents, its clear it was not meant for every Thomas, Richard, and Harrold to read.

450 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:47pm

re: #438 HoosierHoops

Me too..I went to college in California...We had a blast being young and crazy..

I went to a small school in NY State that Playboy didn't rate when they rated the top drinking schools in the Country because they didn't rank professionals with amateurs.

451 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Time to call it a day Lizards.

It is a day.

452 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Daisy Duke was more my cup of tea.

Man she had legs worth starting a war over. ;)

453 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:01pm

re: #446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Time to call it a day Lizards.

She was a daaa-a-aaay Lizard
A one-way ticket, yeah

454 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:27pm

re: #445 calcajun

No. We're too polite. We'd send out invitations first./

lol lefties lefties lefties!
*red faced!*

455 MJ  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:30pm

King family draws fees from DC memorial project

..."I don't think the Jefferson family, the Lincoln family ... I don't think any other group of family ancestors has been paid a licensing fee for a memorial in Washington," said Cambridge University historian David Garrow, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of King. "One would think any family would be so thrilled to have their forefather celebrated and memorialized in D.C. that it would never dawn on them to ask for a penny."

King would have been "absolutely scandalized by the profiteering behavior of his children," Garrow said.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

456 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:36pm

re: #332 cronus

The Thomas More Law Center (the same group that defended the creationist school board members in the Dover trial) has filed a lawsuit against DHS regarding this policy.

A bit of a stretch, given that there is no stated policy in the report.

457 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:42pm

re: #439 Wishing

Do you think the righties are trying to start civil unrest?

There was a whole bunch of people in Stormfront hoping that an election of Obama would bring on the much anticipated RACE WAR that they'd been hoping for that hasnt happened to this point. So when the guy gets in and there is nothing but street protests .. they must be feeling a little disappointed.

And there is no guarantee in a 'racewar' as to who would win.

458 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:50pm

re: #452 DEZes

Man she had legs worth starting a war over. ;)

Was she the other girl in Urban Cowboy?

459 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #439 Wishing

Do you think the righties are trying to start civil unrest?

Absolutely not.

460 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:00:25pm

re: #384 Desert Dog


With the exception of the hairdos, I loved the 70's.

I don't know, all of my friends and me sported the Farrah Fawcett-do and we looked pretty good ;}

461 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:00:30pm

re: #446 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Time to call it a day Lizards.

I hope you will be drinking beer?

462 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:00:41pm

Heh... Outside, "To the Colors" is playing. I usually get off work just in time to salute the flag, as I am normally in uniform and outside. Today, I am in civvy clothes, and inside. Kinda weird to be off work so early.

463 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:00:55pm

Oh wait, upon further reading it appears that we never went so far as to actually use the monstrous caterpillar torture, although it was approved.

/dodged a bullet there

464 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Daisy Duke was more my cup of tea.

Holy shit!

465 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:11pm

re: #458 Nevergiveup

Was she the other girl in Urban Cowboy?

Nope.

466 KenJen  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:19pm

Have a great weekend everyone! Ta Ta.

467 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #456 SixDegrees

A bit of a stretch, given that there is no stated policy in the report.

And how the hell do they have standing to be plaintiffs?

468 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:22pm

re: #460 Russkilitlover

I don't know, all of my friends and me sported the Farrah Fawcett-do and we looked pretty good ;}

I know a guy that is still wearing much the same Farrah Fawcett look.

469 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:27pm

re: #439 Wishing

Do you think the righties are trying to start civil unrest?

Its the left.

470 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:01:58pm

Adieu, for now.

471 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:06pm

Well, Boys and Girls,

I'm going to fire up the grill, put the potatoes on, and jerk the cork out of that bottle of red.

Y'all have some fun, but not too much.

472 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:10pm

NYT had to work hard to make that typo, that wasn't an *oops!*

473 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:14pm
474 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:27pm

re: #470 Occasional Reader

Adieu, for now.

What is that, some sort of Stormfront codeword?

////

475 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:39pm

re: #471 razorbacker

Well, Boys and Girls,

I'm going to fire up the grill, put the potatoes on, and jerk the cork out of that bottle of red.

Y'all have some fun, but not too much.

It is beer night here, but CHEERS! Have a fantastic evening!

476 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:02:54pm

re: #198 Charles

Yes, you're reading it wrong. No, it does not paint conservatives in general as right wing extremists.

Good Afternoon, Sir. (And fellow Lizards.)

I have actually read both reports in the last half-hour or so. (10 min. to read them after 20 min. wrestling with Firefox's inability to handle their .pdf format rationally). What I got from them are the following points;

The "Right-Wing" Report;

1. Definitely does not paint all veterans as potential extremists. It simply states that the present combination of wartime conditions, economic hardship, and sharp philosophical divisions in society at large make it more likely that extremist groups will attempt to recruit some military personnel, and that there may in fact be some who would be receptive.

2. It points out that fear of increased anti-gun legislation has led to "hoarding" of firearms and ammunition, by both extremists as well as law-abiding citizens (italics an exact quote). It draws a sharp distinction between the two, and goes on to state that the Heller decision has "reaffirmed" the basic philosophy of the Second Amendment, while leaving room for debate about how firearms may be regulated without violating the letter or spirit of same.

3. It points out that the "right-wing" groups that DHS is concerned about are generally not only anti-government, but often anti-Semitic as well. Interestingly, it makes no mention of the very real possibility of such groups making common cause with Islamist terrorist groups who share their antipathy toward both the u.s. government and Jews. IMPO, this would be one of those "matches made in hell" to pay particular attention to, like the Black Panthers rapprochemont' with the PLO in the early 70s (see The Terror Network by Claire Sterling).

4. It concludes that the recruitment of such disaffected veterans as it describes by such groups would increase the danger the groups pose to society. To me, this is rather like saying that rain is wet; anytime people with proper training join an extremist group, that group tends to become more effective in a force-projection sense, and thus harder to combat.

The "Left-Wing" Report;

States that "cyber-attacks" by such groups as Earth First!, ALF, etc., are more likely than more overtly-violent "real-world" actions because;

1. They are perceived (by the groups) as "non-violent" actions, in keeping with their (supposed) philosophy of "do no harm";

2. In an increasingly computer-dominated world, such attacks have the potential to do much greater economic damage than any sort of terrorist-type "direct action". I.e., a DDS attack on the NYSE's computers can cost the entire nation's business establishment billions in a few minutes, a much more damaging "strike" than, say, blowing up a stockbroker's office on Main Street.

3. The other attraction of such Net-based "warfare" is that the "activists" can do it from the comfort of home (or Mom's basement, which amounts to the same thing). It just takes less effort than actually going out and planting a bomb.

IMPO, the "right-wing" report is fairly accurate in terms of threat assessment. The "left-wing" report, however, overlooks the number of elements on that axis which yearn for not merely "striking a blow against capitalism", but the destruction of civilization as a whole. For some, on both sides of the spectrum, nothing less than TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) will suffice to assuage their desires for power and destruction. Assuming that those on the "left" are somehow immune to the siren call of "cleansing violence", as practiced in the past by extremists on both sides, is (again IMPO) very unwise.

That's really all I can think of to say on this subject.

/Awaiting incoming brickbats with interest

cheers

eon

477 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #473 taxfreekiller

ms tfk wants to go down and pop a few of the coyotes who have been harassing the new calves with the special made .222 Sako Fin/Fox she got from the Batista son in 1960 after Castro killed all his family.

Fidel is the kind of guy Obama's buddy Bill Ayers looks up to.

And Avanti thinks it is peachy kean that the Castro's wanna make nicy nice.

478 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #475 Natasha

It is beer night here, but CHEERS! Have a fantastic evening!

A girl after my own heart.;)

479 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:03:33pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup
Never hurts to have a backup plan. The photos from Hubble are fantastic. I hate seeing it slowly dying.

480 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:03:47pm

re: #449 ArchangelMichael

Figured it out. LES = Law Enforcement Sensitive.

481 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #463 Killian Bundy

Oh wait, upon further reading it appears that we never went so far as to actually use the monstrous caterpillar torture, although it was approved.

/dodged a bullet there

By the time they got it through Congress .. it was too late. And the idea of Butterfly torture seemed to go down pretty well with the inmates.

As you might guess, it was scrapped.

482 AmeriDan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:02pm

re: #410 Charles

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

There's no such thing as freehoney.

483 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:03pm

re: #322 taxfreekiller

released to law enforcement nation wide

how many is that?
did the report say,,, "Top Secret" your eyes only

lie of lies about lies for lies by liars

not all that help in the end

The report was portion-marked - that is, every paragraph begins with a security code in parentheses - "FOUO" - For Official Use Only, or simply "U" - Unclassified. The document itself would be classified at the highest paragraph classification it contains - in this case, FOUO. Meaning it was not intended for public release.

484 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:29pm

re: #410 Charles

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

I'm in favor of lying sometimes. Honey that doesn't make your ass look fat. No officer, I haven't been drinking tonight. You know the usual.

485 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #479 Scorch

Never hurts to have a backup plan. The photos from Hubble are fantastic. I hate seeing it slowly dying.

Nope your right. I was just joshing anyway.

486 TheHistorian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:33pm

re: #165 Charles

Missed this earlier barf, Chucky. Glad you remember me. BTW, today's topic is NOT evolution. Just because people don't believe the claptrap you believe doesn't mean they should be ridiculed; if you don't like the opinion, you can disagree all you want, but ridicule only makes YOU look small-minded. What I believe on evolution or on creationism matters not regarding right-wing beliefs. Only an idiot would try to draw such opinions across from each other.

487 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:04:38pm

re: #470 Occasional Reader

Adieu, for now.

Kind regards OR!
/OK lizards remember the next time OR logs in..Be sure to tell him that Denzel is the most handsome male leading actor in America..His head will explode!
LOL

488 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:20pm

re: #482 AmeriDan

There's no such thing as freehoney.

That's right it costs a $100 bucks just like downtown.

489 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:29pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Oops.

/happy trails

490 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #478 DEZes

A girl after my own heart.;)

*blushing*
Thanks! I happen to love all Bacchus' creations: beer, wine, vodka... Even whiskey sometimes, but only my Mom and Dad can afford the stuff I like, in that category.

491 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:41pm

I love scotch! Scotch, scotch scotch. Going in my belly.

492 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:05:43pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Ooooh, Chucky. He hates that.

/good one

////////

493 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:05pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Hahahaha! Busted.

Buh-bye now.

494 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Cleanup Aisle 486.

495 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #484 robdouth

I'm in favor of lying sometimes. Honey that doesn't make your ass look fat. No officer, I haven't been drinking tonight. You know the usual.

No honey you look much younger than all your friends

496 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:16pm

re: #491 NYCHardhat

I love scotch! Scotch, scotch scotch. Going in my belly.

Glenlivet?

497 Christopher Luebcke  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:21pm

Aside from being founded by the Rev. Moon, the Times has always been a rag, at least in terms of political coverage and commentary. It's usually juvenile and alarmist, and one-sided to the extreme of leaving out relative information that doesn't fit the narrative. It may be a few steps above WND, but it's still in the same sub-basement.

498 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:36pm

Everyone quit exhaling! CO2 is now a dangerous pollutant.

Damn, is there going to be a fart tax?
Methane is much more dangerous than CO2.

499 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:42pm

re: #464 NYCHardhat

She has not aged well, though.

500 Bubbaman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:50pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Me thinks that TheHistorian is "history".

501 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:06:58pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Missed this earlier barf, Chucky. Glad you remember me. BTW, today's topic is NOT evolution. Just because people don't believe the claptrap you believe doesn't mean they should be ridiculed; if you don't like the opinion, you can disagree all you want, but ridicule only makes YOU look small-minded. What I believe on evolution or on creationism matters not regarding right-wing beliefs. Only an idiot would try to draw such opinions across from each other.

peace out, cub scout.

502 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #494 Jetpilot1101

Cleanup Aisle 486.

One hell of an impressive karma don't ya think?

503 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #491 NYCHardhat

I love scotch! Scotch, scotch scotch. Going in my belly.

Gotta get me some of that. Thanks, Ron///

504 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:35pm

re: #501 NYCHardhat

peace out, cub scout.

/probably didn't need to quote that

505 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #496 OldLineTexan

Glenlivet?

I'd love one! Yes sir. You know me too well.

506 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:44pm

re: #491 NYCHardhat

I love scotch! Scotch, scotch scotch. Going in my belly.

I believe it's "Scotchy scotch scotch. There it goes down. Down into my belly."

507 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:07:57pm
508 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:05pm

re: #500 Bubbaman

Me thinks that TheHistorian is "history".

I hope so.

509 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:08pm

Historian, take a valium. It's Friday.

510 AmeriDan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #488 Nevergiveup

That's right it costs a $100 bucks just like downtown.

But will she respect me in the morning?

511 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:13pm

re: #504 Killian Bundy

/probably didn't need to quote that

shit! good call.


Charles,
please delete my post.

512 brookly red  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:13pm

re: #498 Van Helsing

Everyone quit exhaling! CO2 is now a dangerous pollutant.

Damn, is there going to be a fart tax?
Methane is much more dangerous than CO2.

Yes, but it will be on the honor system... you have to keep your own count.

513 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:29pm

re: #501 NYCHardhat

Don't quote deletable stuff.

514 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:44pm

re: #495 Nevergiveup

No honey you look much younger than all your friends

And of course, her natural female rival must be referred to as "that crazy bitch" so she seems like the sane one.

515 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:46pm

re: #442 KenJen

I grew up in Simi Valley. Left for KY when I was 13. It was a hard transition but I grew to love it here. I really miss the weather.

Your a valley girl? Oh, my Gawd, that's like totally cool!

516 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:49pm

re: #510 AmeriDan

But will she respect me in the morning?

I guess it depends on your "Tip"?

517 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:55pm

re: #473 taxfreekiller

Along with Hugo Chavez.

518 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:08:59pm

re: #410 Charles

People who've down-dinged this thread and are apparently in favor of lying:

engrpat, freehoney, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

Maybe they're moonies?

519 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:08pm

re: #509 Wishing

Historian, take a valium. It's Friday.

I wish I could!

520 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #467 Occasional Reader

And how the hell do they have standing to be plaintiffs?

They're American citizens, I suppose. That's one of the great things about this country - anybody can sue anybody over anything.

Whether the suit is allowed to proceed to an actual trial, however, remains to be seen.

521 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:24pm

re: #519 Dianna

I wish I could!

Bad day?

522 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:33pm

re: #519 Dianna

I wish I could!

honor thy braincells

523 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #509 Wishing

Historian, take a valium. It's Friday.

Hes not sure he wants a bottle in front of him, or a frontal lobotomy.

524 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:09:57pm

re: #512 brookly red

Yes, but it will be on the honor system... you have to keep your own count.

That will be a problem, no one ever takes credit in the elevator ride down at work. The world isn't exactly like the movie "Liar, Liar"

525 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #476 eon

I watched KOYAANISQATSI in the theatre

I watched the sequel .. Powaqqatsi in the theatre.

I even watched the third one Naqoyqatsi which was quite disappointing.


So bring it on .. TEOTWAWKI .. i'm here for the sequel on DVD !

526 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:07pm

re: #514 robdouth

And of course, her natural female rival must be referred to as "that crazy bitch" so she seems like the sane one.

Well I wouldn't marry the crazy one would I? Would I? Oh G-D maybe I did.

527 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:12pm

re: #513 Dianna

Don't quote deletable stuff.

Yeah, I have to remember that. To much bong resin from college. ;)

528 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:13pm

re: #494 Jetpilot1101

Cleanup Aisle 486.

Indeed. What a rude ass! The peasants... they are revolting!

529 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Fuck you pal..
Your links have revealed you..You are not even worth laughing over..
Historian my ass.

530 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:10:41pm

re: #510 AmeriDan

But will she respect me in the morning?

For enough money

531 Dianna  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #521 Wishing

Bad day?

Lately, yeah.

Sorry, I'm (as I said last night) exhausted, depressed and irrationally angry at and with every little thing.

I'm going to get out of here, have a glass of wine with some folks, and then go home. With any sort of luck, by the end of the weekend, I'll have recovered some kind of equilibrium.

532 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #529 HoosierHoops

Fuck you pal..
Your links have revealed you..You are not even worth laughing over..
Historian my ass.

You know contrary to popular belief, I find that too many losers write (or in this case re-write) history.

533 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #529 HoosierHoops

You do know that you only encourage him by doing that.

534 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #531 Dianna

be good to yourself and take care

535 oh_dude  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:11:48pm

I married an extremist

I thought I was somewhat of a right-wing extremist until I met my wife. I mean, she never fit the usual stereotype. She's a gorgeous, petite first-generation Latina from Mexico. She used to say that I liked her becuase she reminded me of Penelope Cruz. I said, "No, I like Penelope Cruz, because she looks like you." (Slick huh?)

Anyways, after two years of marriage it's become very clear what side of the political fence she sits. There's only two bumper-stickers on her car...

"SARAH-CUDA" and

"God Bless Our Troops... Especially the snipers"

Oh and by the way, she thinks Glenn Beck is God-like.

I'm expecting a call from FBI/DHS any day now...

536 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #528 Natasha

Indeed. What a rude ass! The peasants... they are revolting!

May I ask what service you are in?

537 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:12:21pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

"Just because people don't believe the claptrap you believe doesn't mean they should be ridiculed;"

Irony truly is lost on imbeciles like you, isn't it.

538 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #531 Dianna

Lately, yeah.

Sorry, I'm (as I said last night) exhausted, depressed and irrationally angry at and with every little thing.

I'm going to get out of here, have a glass of wine with some folks, and then go home. With any sort of luck, by the end of the weekend, I'll have recovered some kind of equilibrium.

Well whatever has caused the disturbance, fuhgeddaboudit for a few days.
Go pamper yourself.

539 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:12:31pm

Off to dinner, at our local Cuban restaurant.

540 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:12:34pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Bye now. You take care.

541 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:04pm

re: #539 SixDegrees

Off to dinner, at our local Cuban restaurant.

Have the Fidel special.

/

542 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:06pm

Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hosted by their own petard? Gee I hope I spelled that right.

543 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #531 Dianna

It's supposed to be a great weekend, I hope you enjoy it!

544 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #485 Nevergiveup

Nope your right. I was just joshing anyway.

I know but anything pertaining to Hubble really perks my interest.

545 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:22pm
546 AmeriDan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:36pm

re: #516 Nevergiveup

I guess it depends on your "Tip"?

I tip at least twenty five percent, if the refills are free and they give out buttered rolls.

547 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #535 oh_dude

I married an extremist

I thought I was somewhat of a right-wing extremist until I met my wife. I mean, she never fit the usual stereotype. She's a gorgeous, petite first-generation Latina from Mexico. She used to say that I liked her becuase she reminded me of Penelope Cruz. I said, "No, I like Penelope Cruz, because she looks like you." (Slick huh?)

Anyways, after two years of marriage it's become very clear what side of the political fence she sits. There's only two bumper-stickers on her car...

"SARAH-CUDA" and

"God Bless Our Troops... Especially the snipers"

Oh and by the way, she thinks Glenn Beck is God-like.

I'm expecting a call from FBI/DHS any day now...

Very slick.

Try not to say this, "Honey, I don't need a trophy wife, I have you."

548 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:48pm

re: #523 DEZes

Hes not sure he wants a bottle in front of him, or a frontal lobotomy.

That comment has just been "favorited" and "updinged", just so you know. That is funny as hell, to a non-native but proficient speaker of English like myself.

549 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:13:54pm

re: #535 oh_dude


Oh and by the way, she thinks Glenn Beck is God-like.

I'm expecting a call from FBI/DHS any day now...

I would suggest if she thinks Glenn Beck is God-like .. she needs therapy and a good lie down. Heck if she looks like Penelope Cruise .. maybe even a decent massage ;)

550 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #546 AmeriDan

I tip at least twenty five percent, if the refills are free and they give out buttered rolls.

I hold out for hot-cross buns.

/

551 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #542 Nevergiveup

Brown University Should Consider Name Change Due to Slave Ties, Critics Say

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hosted Hoisted by on their own petard? Gee I hope I spelled that right.

552 Bubbaman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:24pm

re: #535 oh_dude

I married an extremist

I thought I was somewhat of a right-wing extremist until I met my wife. I mean, she never fit the usual stereotype. She's a gorgeous, petite first-generation Latina from Mexico. She used to say that I liked her becuase she reminded me of Penelope Cruz. I said, "No, I like Penelope Cruz, because she looks like you." (Slick huh?)

Anyways, after two years of marriage it's become very clear what side of the political fence she sits. There's only two bumper-stickers on her car...

"SARAH-CUDA" and

"God Bless Our Troops... Especially the snipers"

Oh and by the way, she thinks Glenn Beck is God-like.

I'm expecting a call from FBI/DHS any day now...

Usually, intelligent, first generation, ex-pats tend to be quite conservative. That she has a mind and is hot too, consider yourself quite lucky!

553 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:25pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Oooooh, going for the record for downdings, methinks!

554 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:30pm

re: #536 Jetpilot1101

May I ask what service you are in?

Army National Guard, Engineers, 2LT.

555 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:31pm

re: #498 Van Helsing

Everyone quit exhaling! CO2 is now a dangerous pollutant.

Damn, is there going to be a fart tax?
Methane is much more dangerous than CO2.

I cannot help but wonder if the EPA manques' who created that report are aware of a basic fact of animal physiology. That being, that a certain amount of CO2 is necessary to trigger the breathing reflex in any lifeform much more sophisticated than a mudskipper. Put simply, unless you get about 2% CO2 in each lungful, your autonomic nervous system gets confused, and forgets to tell your lungs to take the next breath. (This was learned early in the Age of Aviation during USAAF and USN high-altitude experiments with pure-O2 demand systems)

Declaring CO2 a "pollutant" (period, without qualifications), is not only bad for plant life, it doesn't do us a lot of good, either. And it does not speak well of the scientific "expertise" of those who issued the report.

/I'm wondering if they even took Biology 101 in high school, much less actually passed.

cheers

eon

556 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:44pm

re: #540 Charles

Bye now. You take care.

Better you having the power than me, I know that power would corrupt absolutely in my hands.

Rob with power to ban:

poster #1: Hey you forgot to mention blah blah blah.
Rob: Oh yeah and you forgot BANNED! Pwned biatch!

557 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #535 oh_dude

Well other than the Glenn Beck thing ( make sure the knives are locked away at night) she sounds like a keeper.

558 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:15:10pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

TheHistorian

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Apr 6, 2008 at 6:15 pm
No. of comments posted: 17
No. of links posted: 1

If you are still lurking.....
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION!

559 jaunte  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:15:22pm

Maybe it's wrong, but I'm still getting a smile out of
"bye now, you take care."

560 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #541 OldLineTexan

Have the Fidel special.

/

Is that one where you get to watch someone of the ruling class eat a real meal while you gnaw on undercooked rice and worm-ridden beans?

The red-plate special, yum.

561 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:15:33pm
562 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:00pm

The hysterian just got historectomized....

563 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:07pm

re: #551 Wishing

Thank you

564 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:08pm

re: #540 Charles

The Flintstones as a documentary line seems to induce meltdown. Noted for future reference.

565 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:10pm

re: #554 Natasha

Army National Guard, Engineers, 2LT.

USCG here. Thank you for your service.

566 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:19pm

re: #477 Nevergiveup

And Avanti thinks it is peachy kean that the Castro's wanna make nicy nice.

Well, it's been 50 years since the revolution, so guess it would be like talking to the evil Japanese and Germans in in the 1990's, maybe they are ready for a change.

567 AmeriDan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #550 OldLineTexan

I hold out for hot-cross buns.

/

That always leaves a mark or two on me. Battle scars, I call 'em.

568 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:32pm

House Republicans ...... well, seven so far..... mad and not taking it.......
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

569 JohnAdams  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:43pm

Oh, my...if you have not seen the latest Iowahawk satire on this very subject, do yourself a favor. What a treasure this guy is!

570 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #558 jcm

He's categorised in the aisles of history under .. sand and dirt.

Look him up sometime when you are bored.

571 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #562 Thanos

The hysterian just got historectomized....

TheHistorian flawed the most basic test of History, to learn from it.

572 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:09pm

re: #562 Thanos

The hysterian just got historectomized....

historectomized? That sounds like something that was illegal to do in the south 50 years ago.

573 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:11pm

re: #498 Van Helsing

Everyone quit exhaling! CO2 is now a dangerous pollutant.

Damn, is there going to be a fart tax?
Methane is much more dangerous than CO2.


Yes down with all farm animals and gaseous foods prepared without beano.

574 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:22pm
575 opinionated  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:30pm

Caroline Glick is more frightening then Stephen King...and her monsters are real.


For their part, US strategists appear despondent in their assessments of the situation in Pakistan, and its impact on NATO's capacity to stabilize the security situation in neighboring Afghanistan. US Army General David Petreaus, who is responsible for the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, has called the Taliban an "existential threat" to the Pakistani state. David Kilcullen, who advised Petreaus on his successful counter-insurgency campaign in Iraq and now advises the White House, warned last week that Pakistan could fall within six months. The growing consensus in Washington - particularly given the recent unification of command of Taliban forces in Afghanistan and Pakistan under the so-called Council of United Holy Warriors and their open collaboration with al-Qaida - is that Pakistan is a far greater danger than Afghanistan.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

576 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:34pm

Charles,

What is your opinion on how to go about countering the "Religious Right"'s affect on the GOP as concerning the ID/Creationism issue. How do you diminish the lobby's influence without alienating the voters? Short of the whole party crashing and burning, do you--or anyone here- think it can be done?

577 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #566 avanti

Well, it's been 50 years since the revolution, so guess it would be like talking to the evil Japanese and Germans in in the 1990's, maybe they are ready for a change.

Except for that whole losing a war and changing governments thing the Japanese and Germans went through.

Kinda screws up the parallel.

578 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #564 ArchangelMichael

The Flintstones as a documentary line seems to induce meltdown. Noted for future reference.

I refuse to divulge my crush on Betty then. What a woman !

579 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #563 Nevergiveup

Thank you

Hoist that petard!

580 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:45pm

re: #566 avanti

Well, it's been 50 years since the revolution, so guess it would be like talking to the evil Japanese and Germans in in the 1990's, maybe they are ready for a change.

Last I looked the evil Japanese and Germans have been democratic for 50 years

581 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:54pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

The phenomenon of people who insist on getting themselves banned instead of just leaving is certainly curious. Should it be called "the Moth Phenomenon"? "Virtual Suttee"?

I refer you to John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory

582 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:56pm

I do not really know what strikes me as so funny... But it is really not very hard to stay here and keep posting, even if at times disagreements ensue. All one has to do is stay rational. I know I have disagreed with people here, even vehemently at one point... But, basic manners win, every time. Oh well, another one bites the dust.

583 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:17:57pm

re: #555 eon

Biology... is that part of Womyn's Studies? Pan-Giaic Eco Studies?

584 oh_dude  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #549 Buster Bunny

BAA! Score!

585 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:18:21pm

re: #566 avanti

Well, it's been 50 years since the revolution, so guess it would be like talking to the evil Japanese and Germans in in the 1990's, maybe they are ready for a change.

Are you serious?
That's your logic?
Think again.

586 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #525 Buster Bunny

I watched KOYAANISQATSI in the theatre

I watched the sequel .. Powaqqatsi in the theatre.

I even watched the third one Naqoyqatsi which was quite disappointing.

So bring it on .. TEOTWAWKI .. i'm here for the sequel on DVD !

The first was great. The second was OK.

The third was a waste of screen time.

They should have quit while they were ahead.

/Or run an hour and a half of Bugs Bunny cartoons, especially the ones with Marvin the Martian.

cheers

eon

587 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:18:45pm

re: #572 robdouth

historectomized? That sounds like something that was illegal to do in the south 50 years ago.

That law is still on the books!

588 jaunte  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:18:47pm

The Demjanjuks in Cuba are not in hiding.

589 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #548 Natasha

That comment has just been "favorited" and "updinged", just so you know. That is funny as hell, to a non-native but proficient speaker of English like myself.

A comedian used that line many years ago, I do not remember who, but I cant take any credit for it.
Thanks though.

590 oh_dude  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:09pm

re: #557 Nevergiveup

Sleeping with one eye open is an art form. :-)

591 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:24pm

re: #589 DEZes

A comedian used that line many years ago, I do not remember who, but I cant take any credit for it.
Thanks though.

tell her the fishsticks joke

592 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:29pm

re: #569 JohnAdams

Iowahawk is legend, with good reason.
We're Not Worthy, as some wise person wrote on his comment section...

593 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:37pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

The phenomenon of people who insist on getting themselves banned instead of just leaving is certainly curious. Should it be called "the Moth Phenomenon"? "Virtual Suttee"?

Don't discourage them. Nothing better than a good ale, cigar, and bug zapper on a summer evening.

594 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:38pm

re: #587 Wishing

That law is still on the books!

That's why I still hitch my horse at least 30 feet from the saloon entrances, because you never know when an over-zealous young beat cop will getcha.

595 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:19:48pm

re: #565 Jetpilot1101

USCG here. Thank you for your service.

Same to you, Sir!
I actually had a chance to visit a Coast Guard ship when I was in Key West, FL. I do not remember the name, but it was a lot of fun. The guns were most impressive!

596 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:20:22pm

re: #590 oh_dude

...that will give you a seriously messed up cornea in the morning.

597 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:21:34pm

re: #594 robdouth

That's why I still hitch my horse at least 30 feet from the saloon entrances, because you never know when an over-zealous young beat cop will getcha.

What if I do not have a horse, and have, let's say, a Great Dane I am walking at the time... Do the same laws apply? What if the said Great Dane wants some beer?
/LOL

598 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #547 CyanSnowHawk

Very slick.

Try not to say this, "Honey, I don't need a trophy wife, I have you."

Slick doesn't make it past many wives. We just know you are up to something or have done something baaaaad.

599 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #595 Natasha

Same to you, Sir!
I actually had a chance to visit a Coast Guard ship when I was in Key West, FL. I do not remember the name, but it was a lot of fun. The guns were most impressive!

Spent some time on a cutter in California before heading to flight school. Had a great time visiting South America and Alaska. Now I'm happy to return to home plate each day, sign the aircraft back in and go home to kiss the lovely Mrs. Jetpilot and the two fledgling aviators.

600 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:21:59pm
601 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:22:05pm

President Obama: Dodd deserves my help

"I can't say it any clearer: I will be helping Chris Dodd because he deserves the help," Obama told the Globe yesterday in a phone interview from Air Force One, as he flew to Mexico on a diplomatic trip.

/don't forget Murtha, he deserves your help too

602 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:22:16pm

re: #597 Natasha

What if I do not have a horse, and have, let's say, a Great Dane I am walking at the time... Do the same laws apply? What if the said Great Dane wants some beer?
/LOL

if the great dane has three bucks ok i dont buy for pooch mooches

/

603 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:22:35pm

re: #601 Killian Bundy

President Obama: Dodd deserves my help

/don't forget Murtha, he deserves your help too

Therapy?

604 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:22:58pm

re: #603 NYCHardhat

Therapy?

Moving?

605 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:12pm

OT: California unemployment rate up to 11.2 percent

606 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:18pm

re: #423 Nevergiveup

which was?

Western State College - Gunnison, Colorado

/I DID go shopping, btw.

607 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:30pm

re: #604 OldLineTexan

Moving?

with math?

608 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:23:35pm

re: #601 Killian Bundy

Deserves it? Hell, he needs it.
Doesn't mean he should be re-elected.
There's more than one waitress in Palm Beach laughing her tail off at his predicament.

609 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:24:04pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

The phenomenon of people who insist on getting themselves banned instead of just leaving is certainly curious. Should it be called "the Moth Phenomenon"? "Virtual Suttee"?


Virtual suicide by Stinky stick?

610 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:24:50pm
Youtube Video
611 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:24:53pm

re: #603 NYCHardhat

Therapy?

A horrible, unforeseen accident? Including Murthaf***er? (I really hate him).

612 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:24:59pm

re: #603 NYCHardhat

Do you suppose he'll extend the same largesse to William Jefferson if he has a difficult primary fight in LA next time?
/only part sarc/

613 dapperdave  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #605 ArchangelMichael

Stupid liberal democrats have done a fine job at messing up this state, I expect that number to clime until we throw the moonbats out of office.

614 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:35pm

re: #577 OldLineTexan

Except for that whole losing a war and changing governments thing the Japanese and Germans went through.

Kinda screws up the parallel.

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

615 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:44pm

re: #600 buzzsawmonkey

I think it's an interesting sociology experiment. It seems that true colors show through in a person when you remove any consequences for their words and deeds. Internet forums are great examples of this. All you need is anonymity. These people may be very nice in person, but be complete jackasses on the Internet. I know people like this that I play World of Warcraft with.

616 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #601 Killian Bundy

President Obama: Dodd deserves my help

/don't forget Murtha, he deserves your help too

Yeah, help him get the cuffs on.

617 thefallingman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:50pm

I came back from a lengthy field exercise to discover that I had been listed as a potential terrorist. This worried me greatly because I have always considered myself to be an unabashed lover of the United States of America. I'm glad to see that the Washington Times has straightened things out and let me know that I am, in fact, a potential terrorist. It certainly explains why I've worn the uniform for over eight years.

618 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #574 buzzsawmonkey

Politics makes strange bedfellows, and a Castro Convertible was just delivered to the White House.

57 Chevy?

619 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:25:56pm

re: #606 Catttt

/I DID go shopping, btw.


How so? Is the supermarket next door or to you own a teleporter=?

620 thebigolddog  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:26:12pm
Unlike the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI Office of Intelligence Assessment cites hard numbers. The Bureau identified a mere 203 veterans involved in extremist movements between October 2001 and May 2008. This is out of a total veteran population of 23.8 million

I guess she meant 0.001%

621 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:26:38pm

re: #606 Catttt

Western State College - Gunnison, Colorado

/I DID go shopping, btw.

Wow looks great.

622 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:27:17pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

I've no problem with treating with former enemies, oonce they become FORMER. that generally means DEFEATED.

Makes 'em listen better.

623 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:27:35pm

The President Ties His Own Hands on Terror
The point of interrogation is intelligence, not confession.
By MICHAEL HAYDEN and MICHAEL B. MUKASEY

The Obama administration has declassified and released opinions of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) given in 2005 and earlier that analyze the legality of interrogation techniques authorized for use by the CIA. Those techniques were applied only when expressly permitted by the director, and are described in these opinions in detail, along with their limits and the safeguards applied to them.

The release of these opinions was unnecessary as a legal matter, and is unsound as a matter of policy. Its effect will be to invite the kind of institutional timidity and fear of recrimination that weakened intelligence gathering in the past, and that we came sorely to regret on Sept. 11, 2001.

624 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:27:48pm

re: #614 avanti

Some cultures equate adversarial diplomatic dealings with weakness and a readiness to concede. Especially when there is a mindset that precludes any change through negotiation, it wastes time and makes the US look foolish when we're inevitably rebuffed.
Let them behave first and earn a seat at a civilized table.

625 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:27:50pm

re: #601 Killian Bundy

President Obama: Dodd deserves my help

/don't forget Murtha, he deserves your help too

"I can't say it any clearer: I will be helping Chris Dodd because he deserves the help," Obama told the Globe yesterday in a phone interview from Air Force One, as he flew to Mexico on a diplomatic trip.

"Chris is going through a rough patch," Obama said. "He just has an extraordinary record of accomplishment, and I think the people in Connecticut will come to recognize that. ... He always has his constituencies at heart, and he's somebody I'm going to be relying on and working very closely with to shepherd through the types of regulatory reforms we need."

You mean those reforms he adamantly opposed that helped to kill the economy? Oh goody!

And please, Barry, do tell what he has done for the people of Connecticut.

626 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:28:18pm

re: #599 Jetpilot1101

Spent some time on a cutter in California before heading to flight school. Had a great time visiting South America and Alaska. Now I'm happy to return to home plate each day, sign the aircraft back in and go home to kiss the lovely Mrs. Jetpilot and the two fledgling aviators.

My vision is not perfect, so I cannot fly anything military. I do know how to blow stuff up, and I know how to build an aitstrip. I want to learn how to jump out of a plane and how to zip-line out of a helicopter. I am very lucky to spend a lot of time at home. My cats surely appreciate it. Mr. Natasha got fired 2 years ago for poor performance, not fitting the standards, and making fun of my career.

627 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:28:25pm

re: #619 callahan23

How so? Is the supermarket next door or to you own a teleporter=?

Went to the Royal Farms. Three cans of cat foot, can of chicken spread, pack of cigarettes. I decided to REALLY shop, like, tomorrow.

628 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:28:28pm

re: #623 jcm

I guess transparency means leaking the other guy's stuff, eh?

629 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:28:42pm

re: #610 Catttt

[Video]

If I ever get reincarnate, that's were I am going

630 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:03pm

re: #623 jcm

Read that with my cup of coffee this morning.

It scared me.

631 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #627 Catttt

Went to the Royal Farms. Three cans of cat foot, can of chicken spread, pack of cigarettes. I decided to REALLY shop, like, tomorrow.


What's that taste like?

632 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:19pm

re: #614 avanti

I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. .

Oh no you don't! Charles does not allow that kind of crap.

633 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:29:49pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

Because enemies don't stop being enemies just because you're not at war with them. It's takes a fundamental change in that country's government before Americans are willing to talk to them.

634 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:30:26pm
635 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #626 Natasha

My vision is not perfect, so I cannot fly anything military. I do know how to blow stuff up, and I know how to build an aitstrip. I want to learn how to jump out of a plane and how to zip-line out of a helicopter. I am very lucky to spend a lot of time at home. My cats surely appreciate it. Mr. Natasha got fired 2 years ago for poor performance, not fitting the standards, and making fun of my career.

I'm happily married, but if I weren't... combat engineers get me hot. What could Mr. Natasha have been thinking?

636 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:10pm

re: #626 Natasha

My vision is not perfect, so I cannot fly anything military. I do know how to blow stuff up, and I know how to build an aitstrip. I want to learn how to jump out of a plane and how to zip-line out of a helicopter. I am very lucky to spend a lot of time at home. My cats surely appreciate it. Mr. Natasha got fired 2 years ago for poor performance, not fitting the standards, and making fun of my career.

Well I'll give Mrs. Nevergiveup credit, she lets me go play with the Navy when ever I like. Even visits sometimes.

637 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:15pm

re: #631 UFO TOFU

What's that taste like?

Which?

638 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:33pm

Former enemy, avanti?
Just what do you point to as evidence of this former status?

639 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:48pm

re: #486 TheHistorian

Missed this earlier barf, Chucky. Glad you remember me. BTW, today's topic is NOT evolution. Just because people don't believe the claptrap you believe doesn't mean they should be ridiculed; if you don't like the opinion, you can disagree all you want, but ridicule only makes YOU look small-minded. What I believe on evolution or on creationism matters not regarding right-wing beliefs. Only an idiot would try to draw such opinions across from each other.

Sod off, swampy...

640 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:31:55pm

re: #632 Russkilitlover

Oh no you don't! Charles does not allow that kind of crap.

good catch

641 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:32:08pm

re: #637 Catttt

Cat foot.

642 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:32:29pm

re: #626 Natasha

My vision is not perfect, so I cannot fly anything military. I do know how to blow stuff up, and I know how to build an aitstrip. I want to learn how to jump out of a plane and how to zip-line out of a helicopter. I am very lucky to spend a lot of time at home. My cats surely appreciate it. Mr. Natasha got fired 2 years ago for poor performance, not fitting the standards, and making fun of my career.

Sounds like you gave him a below average FITREP. The military has taught me a ton. I've learned that you have to be aggressive when going after training opportunities. My guess is you'll get a chance to do everything you want. Check into PRK surgery for your eyesight. The military is allowing folks to get it now and if it corrects your vision to 20/20, they accept that as good enough to fly. We have a bunch of former army guys in my unit. Excellent people and phenomenal pilots. A couple of them spent time in the 160th and have some great stories.

643 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:32:44pm

re: #634 buzzsawmonkey

I've noticed that culture as being pervasive among the Congressional left, and in the current Oval Office.

I dont care which frickin side they are based on. Anyone who is practising the demonising of hard working Americans, being parasitical of the affluent in the country, and then telling us that behaviour is acceptable to bring JUSTICE to the country and PEACE?

I could be raving loony leftist and I'd still want to put them back in their cockroach bucket.

644 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

Who is a "former" enemy? It depends on how the talks are staged, too. You cannot appear to approach a situation from a point of weakness.

As for Cuba--only Nixon could go to China. Only a strong anti-Communist would have been able to go to Cuba without making it look like he was pulling the country left. That is the impression BHO is giving, though.

645 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:08pm
646 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

I haven't heard anyone talk about nuking Cuba but maybe one of the factors accounting for our reluctance to normalize is that Cuba was a living example of enforcing the Monroe Doctrine.

647 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:30pm

Sounds very familiar! Heard it all before!
Yep! That's right! I'm a Viet Vet.
Nothing to see here! Move along!

648 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:35pm

re: #642 Jetpilot1101

Sounds like you gave him a below average FITREP. The military has taught me a ton. I've learned that you have to be aggressive when going after training opportunities. My guess is you'll get a chance to do everything you want. Check into PRK surgery for your eyesight. The military is allowing folks to get it now and if it corrects your vision to 20/20, they accept that as good enough to fly. We have a bunch of former army guys in my unit. Excellent people and phenomenal pilots. A couple of them spent time in the 160th and have some great stories.

I had PRJ surgery. Best thing i ever did.

649 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:38pm
650 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:48pm
651 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:33:55pm
652 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:34:19pm
653 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #646 LGoPs

I haven't heard anyone talk about nuking Cuba but maybe one of the factors accounting for our reluctance to normalize is that Cuba was a living example of enforcing the Monroe Doctrine.

No nuking Cuba ! The beaches are great .. the women are hot and the Tequila is best served slightly tepid.

Take the government away and you have a great place to tan.

654 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:34:37pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

I would dispute the characterization of Cuba as a "former" enemy. The last time I looked, it was still behaving in the manner that caused us to sever relations with it, and clamp down the sanctions, in the first place.

The words "One of the last surviving Communist police states on Earth" come to mind, for some reason.

As for Raul Castro saying that "everything is on the table" negotiations-wise (negotiations for what, exactly?), I'm reminded of Sun-Tzu's axiom;

When your enemy asks for negotiations without a prior understanding, he is plotting.

/No, I don't trust Raul, the CO of Fidel's secret police, anymore than I do Fidel himself.

cheers

eon

655 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:35:01pm

re: #635 Van Helsing

I'm happily married, but if I weren't... combat engineers get me hot. What could Mr. Natasha have been thinking?

"Thinking"? That was something he was most definitely NOT doing. I am kind of glad I am rid of him though. So are the cats. We can be as decadent, high-maintenance and obnoxious as we want.

656 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:35:30pm
657 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:35:56pm

re: #627 Catttt

Went to the Royal Farms. Three cans of cat foot, can of chicken spread, pack of cigarettes. I decided to REALLY shop, like, tomorrow.

Mine is a Maine Coon, she ate a truck load of food growing up. Now she slowed down some on her consumption. Fabulous critter. ;-)

658 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:03pm

re: #622 Van Helsing

I've no problem with treating with former enemies, oonce they become FORMER. that generally means DEFEATED.

Makes 'em listen better.

The Cubans are Commies, have a bad human rights record, but so do the Chinese and we deal with them. Now that the Russians tossed the Cubans under the bus, they may be looking for a new trading partner.

659 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:06pm
660 tradewind  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:10pm

re: #632 Russkilitlover
Avanti's comments often appear designed to aggravate, rather than add to, a discussion. When he or she asks a question it's almost always rhetorical, rather than an actual attempt to get information or an opinion. Not that he or she is not perfectly entitled to roll that way,but...
Just saying.

661 thefallingman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:39pm

re: #642 Jetpilot1101

Sir,

You are correct in that most corrective surgery is accepted. However, I have a Soldier who recently had PRK and was turned down for transfer to Aviation because it was a type that was not accepted for flight. I'd have to go back and see what type it was. Not a criticism, just a further clarification.

V/R
CPT B

662 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:48pm

re: #656 Van Helsing

And give him some of the single ply sandpaper my eldest has the pleasure of using.

Ahh, "John Wayne" TP...rough, tough, and don't take shit off anyone!

;-P

663 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:51pm

re: #642 Jetpilot1101

Sounds like you gave him a below average FITREP. The military has taught me a ton. I've learned that you have to be aggressive when going after training opportunities. My guess is you'll get a chance to do everything you want. Check into PRK surgery for your eyesight. The military is allowing folks to get it now and if it corrects your vision to 20/20, they accept that as good enough to fly. We have a bunch of former army guys in my unit. Excellent people and phenomenal pilots. A couple of them spent time in the 160th and have some great stories.

Co-worker is a former MH-53 crew chief with the 160th. He complains bitterly about cleaning vegetation stains off the bottom of the bird. Always with a grin and wink.

664 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #653 Buster Bunny

No nuking Cuba ! The beaches are great .. the women are hot and the Tequila is best served slightly tepid.

Take the government away and you have a great place to tan.

Let's not forget the best Cigars in the World

665 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:36:58pm

re: #657 callahan23

Mine is a Maine Coon, she ate a truck load of food growing up. Now she slowed down some on her consumption. Fabulous critter. ;-)

My wife just fed the Siamese of ours who thinks he is a human some nice cooked shrimp.

666 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:00pm

re: #605 ArchangelMichael

OT: California unemployment rate up to 11.2 percent

Not one of them is a government employee. Well, except for the teachers.

Assholes.

667 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:08pm
668 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:22pm

re: #658 avanti

The Cubans are Commies, have a bad human rights record, but so do the Chinese and we deal with them. Now that the Russians tossed the Cubans under the bus, they may be looking for a new trading partner.

So because we do the wrong thing once, it makes it right?

669 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:37:32pm

Moonie rag.

670 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:28pm
671 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #661 thefallingman

Sir,

You are correct in that most corrective surgery is accepted. However, I have a Soldier who recently had PRK and was turned down for transfer to Aviation because it was a type that was not accepted for flight. I'd have to go back and see what type it was. Not a criticism, just a further clarification.

V/R
CPT B

Thanks for that. I was unaware of that. It always pays to do your research. Thank you for your clarification.

672 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:38pm

re: #569 JohnAdams

Oh, my...if you have not seen the latest Iowahawk satire on this very subject, do yourself a favor. What a treasure this guy is!

Classic.

673 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:47pm

re: #605 ArchangelMichael

OT: California unemployment rate up to 11.2 percent

They could always get a job as governor. That seems to be where unemployed actors head after a while.

674 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:48pm

re: #658 avanti

The Cubans are Commies, have a bad human rights record, but so do the Chinese and we deal with them. Now that the Russians tossed the Cubans under the bus, they may be looking for a new trading partner.

What evidence do you have that they are former enemies, please?

675 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #635 Van Helsing

I'm happily married, but if I weren't... combat engineers get me hot. What could Mr. Natasha have been thinking?

Stupid army joke I remember......
Ask a girl in a bar if she wants to play combat engineers with you. When she asks "How do you do that?" the reply is "I lay down and you blow the hell out of me".....

Nyuk, nyuk

676 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #658 avanti

The Cubans are Commies, have a bad human rights record, but so do the Chinese and we deal with them. Now that the Russians tossed the Cubans under the bus, they may be looking for a new trading partner.

And I'm not happy with our relations with China, either.
I suffer from a bad case of consistency.

the Chinese are f***ing repressive commies that have made some progress (not progressiveism but they are still f***ing commies and we should NOT be as cozy with them as we are.

677 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:05pm

re: #575 opinionated

Caroline Glick is more frightening then Stephen King...and her monsters are real.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

If Afghanistan gets as messy as Iraq (and it just might!) it will be very entertaining watching Obama squirm.

He showcased Afghanistan as "the primary target for the war on terror" during the election, and withdrawing could easily be his undoing. Not withdrawing could also be his undoing.

678 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:09pm

IMHO the Washington Times omits the words "a tiny percentage" because their writer and the paper does not believe it is a tiny percentage.

They are trying to inflame the left.

That the right is up in arms is an unintended consequence of their habitual game, IMHO.

679 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:19pm

re: #658 avanti

The Cubans are Commies, have a bad human rights record, but so do the Chinese and we deal with them. Now that the Russians tossed the Cubans under the bus, they may be looking for a new trading partner.

Good let them institute democracy, throw the Russians out--you do know the ruskies still have Naval facilities there- and free their "Political prisoners" and take back all the criminals they conned Carter into taking. Then we'll talk. Oh and shit can Hugo.

680 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #664 HoosierHoops

Let's not forget the best Cigars in the World

Yeah, Monica recommends them highly.

681 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:36pm

Jake's on the story.

Obama Administration Expresses Full Confidence in Rattner Amid Pension Probe

April 17, 2009 5:58 PM

ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:

The Obama administration has expressed confidence in the head of the President’s Auto Task Force, Steven Rattner, amid a report investigating his role in a New York pension kickback scheme.

As reported by the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal this morning, Quadrangle Group LLC, a private equity firm which Mr. Rattner is co-founder of, is one of several companies under investigation by NY Attorney General Cuomo and the Securities and Exchange Commission for doing business with the state’s employee pension fund.

While not mentioned by name in the SEC documents, Rattner has been singled out for arranging for his investment firm to pay more than $1 million to obtain New York State pension business, per The New York Times.

Aboard Air Force One today traveling to Trinidad and Tobago, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that the President does have confidence in Mr. Rattner. Gibbs added that this is not news to the administration, they were informed of the investigation during the transition period.

“He's not accused of doing any wrongdoing and is not likely to face either criminal or civil charges as it relates to this, and a pending investigation was something that he brought up to us,” Gibbs said, also disputing the notion that this hangs a cloud over Rattner’s head.

Rattner was chosen as Obama’s top auto adviser in late February.

Nothing to see here, move along.
I

682 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:39:56pm

re: #675 LGoPs

Stupid army joke I remember......
Ask a girl in a bar if she wants to play combat engineers with you. When she asks "How do you do that?" the reply is "I lay down and you blow the hell out of me".....

Nyuk, nyuk

How do you tell if you're talking to a fighter pilot? Oh he'll tell you.

683 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:17pm

re: #677 jwb7605

If Afghanistan gets as messy as Iraq (and it just might!) it will be very entertaining watching Obama squirm.

He showcased Afghanistan as "the primary target for the war on terror" during the election, and withdrawing could easily be his undoing. Not withdrawing could also be his undoing.

My fear is that he fully intends to wreck our military there.

684 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:17pm

re: #661 thefallingman

Sir,

You are correct in that most corrective surgery is accepted. However, I have a Soldier who recently had PRK and was turned down for transfer to Aviation because it was a type that was not accepted for flight. I'd have to go back and see what type it was. Not a criticism, just a further clarification.

V/R
CPT B

Hell they gave me Hospital privileges?

685 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:40:29pm

re: #642 Jetpilot1101

Sounds like you gave him a below average FITREP. The military has taught me a ton. I've learned that you have to be aggressive when going after training opportunities. My guess is you'll get a chance to do everything you want. Check into PRK surgery for your eyesight. The military is allowing folks to get it now and if it corrects your vision to 20/20, they accept that as good enough to fly. We have a bunch of former army guys in my unit. Excellent people and phenomenal pilots. A couple of them spent time in the 160th and have some great stories.

Thank you for the encouragement. I have a lot of things on my list I want to do. As an Army Engineer, I want to go through Sapper school. However, at 5"1' and 106 lb I need to build up some more. Flying is my dream. Even if I do not get to do it for a living, I will learn to fly a personal aircraft, then buy one. Airborne and Air Assault are just the fun schools I want to do because I know I can. I only joined in the summer of 2007. I cannot believe how much fun it was, so far. I am actually excited to get out of training and do some real work.

686 MrMisanthrope  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:41:28pm

re: #235 Charles

It was not intended for release to the general public.

I honestly don't understand why you think this is a good thing... IMO we should be all about Transparancy in general Government/Police actions (no, NOT in specific, case-damaging respects).

Whether these reports are about Right, Left or Outerspacian, I have real issues with the Feds talking in secret to "law Enforcement" about generalizations ... even narrow generalizations.

687 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:41:36pm

re: #654 eon

I would dispute the characterization of Cuba as a "former" enemy. The last time I looked, it was still behaving in the manner that caused us to sever relations with it, and clamp down the sanctions, in the first place.

The words "One of the last surviving Communist police states on Earth" come to mind, for some reason.

As for Raul Castro saying that "everything is on the table" negotiations-wise (negotiations for what, exactly?), I'm reminded of Sun-Tzu's axiom;

When your enemy asks for negotiations without a prior understanding, he is plotting.

/No, I don't trust Raul, the CO of Fidel's secret police, anymore than I do Fidel himself.

cheers

eon

Why are they more of a enemy then the Communist countries we deal with now ? China has at least as poor human rights record.

688 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:41:47pm

re: #683 Wishing

My fear is that he fully intends to wreck our military there.

I fail to believe that any pious Christian can have four months in the top job and not be able to find a Church in DC to associate with.

689 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:42:44pm
690 thefallingman  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:43:05pm

re: #684 Nevergiveup

Hell they gave me Hospital privileges?


Not sure I understand.

691 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:43:26pm

re: #688 Buster Bunny

pious Christian

IMHO it is for political advantage

692 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:43:32pm

re: #687 avanti

Why are they more of a enemy then the Communist countries we deal with now ? China has at least as poor human rights record.

Because being on "Terms" with-I wouldn't call it friendly--has advantages for us. What advantage for us is there is cutting Cuba a deal?

693 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:43:53pm
694 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:13pm

re: #692 Nevergiveup

Because being on "Terms" with-I wouldn't call it friendly--has advantages for us. What advantage for us is there is cutting Cuba a deal?

Votes, if they can float here?

695 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:19pm

re: #690 thefallingman

Not sure I understand.

I had lasix surgery.

696 Cathypop  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:31pm

re: #662 talon_262

Ahh, "John Wayne" TP...rough, tough, and don't take shit off anyone!

;-P


Never heard that before but I love it.

697 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #668 jcm

So because we do the wrong thing once, it makes it right?

OK, now I'm beginning to understand your objections. You are not happy about dealing with China for example.

698 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:44:59pm

re: #685 Natasha

Thank you for the encouragement. I have a lot of things on my list I want to do. As an Army Engineer, I want to go through Sapper school. However, at 5"1' and 106 lb I need to build up some more. Flying is my dream. Even if I do not get to do it for a living, I will learn to fly a personal aircraft, then buy one. Airborne and Air Assault are just the fun schools I want to do because I know I can. I only joined in the summer of 2007. I cannot believe how much fun it was, so far. I am actually excited to get out of training and do some real work.

Good to hear. Keep the positive attitude and you will go far. Flying is one of the things I trully enjoy doing just about everyday. Funny thing is, an airline job is not on my list of things to do. I think I'd rather fly for NetJets but that is still 9 years off so I have time.

699 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:07pm

re: #693 LGoPs

LOL. Remind me not to ask you to play combat engineer.....
/ :)

But that's what Combat Engineers do!!
/innocent grin

700 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:27pm
701 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:27pm

Avanti, I have twice addressed you.
You have refused to answer my questions.
You are rude.

702 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:28pm

re: #688 Buster Bunny

pious Christian

would not say "punished with a baby".

703 Scorch  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:34pm

re: #665 Nevergiveup

My wife just fed the Siamese of ours who thinks he is a human some nice cooked shrimp.


My Seal Point Siamese (Rufus) was 19 years old when he died last December. I'm still torn up about it. Was a terrible 24 hrs before he gave it up. Could not bear taking him to the vet and be put to sleep, he hated the vets office and the staff would always come out bleeding and saying "go get your damn cat" whenever we took him in. God I miss him.

704 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:37pm
705 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:45:52pm

re: #665 Nevergiveup

My wife just fed the Siamese of ours who thinks he is a human some nice cooked shrimp.

Mine never confuses her role, as a real Coonie she likes to stay close to her humans but is certainly no lap-pet-cat.
But the sounds she makes are diametrically opposed to her size, too sweet.

706 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #700 DEZes

I hope Murtha asks you to play. ;)

If I ever have a chance to punish him in the way I want to, this is what he will be begging for, second only to merciful death. I hate that son of a bitch THAT much.

707 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:15pm

re: #697 avanti

OK, now I'm beginning to understand your objections. You are not happy about dealing with China for example.

jcm's just being inscrutable with you...
/

708 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:22pm

re: #689 Natasha

Damn, Natasha! We could have used you on our A-team!

709 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:39pm

Times are tough. I hear from the California grapevine things are so tough that

Gumby is now working for Playdoh and Pokey his faithful sidekick is taking speech therapy lessons so that he can get a better job.

Barney the dinosaur has returned to the swamp.

The cabbage patch kids are trying to work off the price per cabbage ratio and are now being sold wholesale to foreign countries where they provide cheap plastic child labour.

710 DEZes  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:42pm

re: #706 Natasha

If I ever have a chance to punish him in the way I want to, this is what he will be begging for, second only to merciful death. I hate that son of a bitch THAT much.

I can live with that too. ;)

711 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:47:54pm

re: #686 MrMisanthrope

I honestly don't understand why you think this is a good thing...

For Pete's sake.

When did I say I "think this is a good thing?"

712 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:25pm

re: #704 Van Helsing

And that is why female combat engineers get me hot. With that attitude there is no choice but to treat them right, and no reason to worry about who is watching your 6.

OK, what kind of cookies do you like? Or do you like gourmet food? Or maybe you like your Martinis served a certain way?...
/LOL

713 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:29pm
714 Cathypop  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:48:34pm

re: #703 Scorch

My Seal Point Siamese (Rufus) was 19 years old when he died last December. I'm still torn up about it. Was a terrible 24 hrs before he gave it up. Could not bear taking him to the vet and be put to sleep, he hated the vets office and the staff would always come out bleeding and saying "go get your damn cat" whenever we took him in. God I miss him.


Sounds like Rufus was one hell of a cat. So sorry about your loss. Death Sucks!

715 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:04pm

re: #701 Wishing

Avanti, I have twice addressed you.
You have refused to answer my questions.
You are rude.

No, he's just inscrutable.........I'm starting to like that word.
/

716 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:07pm

I am not happy about the comments fantasizing about Murtha's death. If this continues I'll start blocking accounts.

717 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:24pm

re: #713 taxfreekiller

avanti is nice

tfk is rude,
rude is mine
no one get the rude but tfk,

got that!

Why are you apologizing for him?
He is a shill.
/spit

718 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:49pm

re: #683 Wishing

My fear is that he fully intends to wreck our military there.

Suicide. Political suicide.

719 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:49:54pm

re: #692 Nevergiveup

Because being on "Terms" with-I wouldn't call it friendly--has advantages for us. What advantage for us is there is cutting Cuba a deal?

Depends on the deal. If they move to the right, free the political prisoners and the like we can open up some trade for example. I'd like to hear what they have in mind at least. For Castro's brother to flat out say they may have made mistakes in dealing with the USA is no minor deal IMHO.

720 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:50:05pm
721 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #713 taxfreekiller

LOL

722 MrMisanthrope  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:50:30pm

re: #562 Thanos

The hysterian just got historectomized....

Oh my... that deserves an Upding...

723 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:50:50pm
724 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:02pm

OK, gotcha, Charles, about Murtha. My apologies.

725 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:33pm

re: #370 Killian Bundy

We tortured Abu Zubaydah with caterpillars?

/really?

D9's?

726 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:42pm

re: #722 MrMisanthrope

I was gonna say he got revised, but thought it too subtle.

727 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:43pm

re: #723 taxfreekiller

very very sarc

ok

Sorry, didn't see a sarc tag.
=)

728 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:44pm

re: #719 avanti

Depends on the deal. If they move to the right, free the political prisoners and the like we can open up some trade for example. I'd like to hear what they have in mind at least. For Castro's brother to flat out say they may have made mistakes in dealing with the USA is no minor deal IMHO.

So let them change. We can see from here down there. It ain't that far. Been waiting for 50 years. And I can wait another 50.

729 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:57pm

re: #685 Natasha

Thank you for the encouragement. I have a lot of things on my list I want to do. As an Army Engineer, I want to go through Sapper school. However, at 5"1' and 106 lb I need to build up some more. Flying is my dream. Even if I do not get to do it for a living, I will learn to fly a personal aircraft, then buy one. Airborne and Air Assault are just the fun schools I want to do because I know I can. I only joined in the summer of 2007. I cannot believe how much fun it was, so far. I am actually excited to get out of training and do some real work.

We had a fairly short Captain in my Cav unit. He used to fly Chinooks before he got into our Cobras. Heard once that his peers got him some of those blocks that you can put on tricycle pedals if your kids feet don't reach. He was a pretty good guy. He was the guy that got my drunk friends out of the Air Force stockade at Norton AFB when they decided to break in to see what it was like.

730 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:51:59pm

Actually, I hope Murtha has a long life. After all, he has to live with himself, and that is punishment enough.

731 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:52:10pm
732 Mardukhai  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:52:51pm

re: #704 Van Helsing

Actually, I don't think Natasha's reply was all that funny. Reverse the genders and you'll understand why.

My father was almost killed by my step-mother. I think that female sexual violence is even nastier than male violence because no one takes the victims seriously and the perps always get away with it, unless the victim is a child.

733 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:00pm

re: #641 UFO TOFU

Cat foot.

It tastes like really salty tuna. (Yes, I tasted it once, just out of curiosity.)

734 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:03pm

re: #720 Natasha

"C4 is awesome! If it is warm enough, you can make cute sculptures out of it! Then you can blow shit up with them! Muahahahahaha!"


Great stuff for heating a cup of coffee too!

735 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:11pm
736 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:16pm
737 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:30pm

re: #674 Wishing

What evidence do you have that they are former enemies, please?

Sorry for the delay I missed your post. I have no idea when they became "enemies" My guess would be 1959 when they had their Communist revolution. The fact they they are still Commies does not automatically make them a enemy.

738 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:49pm

re: #734 Earick

Good for killing golfers--er gophers. Just ask Bill Murray.

739 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:53pm

re: #697 avanti

OK, now I'm beginning to understand your objections. You are not happy about dealing with China for example.

I don't like dealing with any Thugs. I'm stuck on certain principals, like consent of the governed. That however is an idealistic approach. Pragmatically we have to have some contact with most countries. Sometimes our interests coincide, and we have to work with unsavory characters for a larger good.

In WWII we work with Stalin, arguably a bigger monster than Hitler. At the time our interests coincided. Similarly during the Cold War, the larger interest was Soviet Union.

Personally I think a Reagan approach to China will be more effect. Instead right now we are funding a good portion of their military build up. What we translate as "The Middle Kingdom" is more accurately "The Center Kingdom" as in center of the world. China is going to be a problem in the future. Playing nice isn't going to change that.

Cuba specifically and Thugs in general. Relations, trade, aid, etc... only serve to prop up and empower the Thugs and prolong the suffering of the people.

The right thing to do is not always easy, but anything we can do to help end the grip of thugs is the right thing.

740 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:53:55pm

This is great. Let's prove we're not extremists by discussing ways to kill people with C4 explosive.

741 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:54:20pm

re: #688 Buster Bunny

I fail to believe that any pious Christian can have four months in the top job and not be able to find a Church in DC to associate with.

Well... would you take him?

742 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:54:26pm
743 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:54:36pm

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

744 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:54:47pm

I'm back!

You can all stop crying!

745 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:05pm

re: #737 avanti

Sorry for the delay I missed your post. I have no idea when they became "enemies" My guess would be 1959 when they had their Communist revolution. The fact they they are still Commies does not automatically make them a enemy.

Oh I don't know. Still offering the Russians bases only 90 miles from our borders might qualify?

746 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:13pm

re: #738 calcajun

Caddyshack!

Upding for Caddyshack!

747 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #597 Natasha

What if I do not have a horse, and have, let's say, a Great Dane I am walking at the time... Do the same laws apply? What if the said Great Dane wants some beer?
/LOL

Just depends on whether or not the Great Dane is saddled.

748 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #629 Nevergiveup

If I ever get reincarnate, that's were I am going

Gets bokoo snow in the winter - we got 12 feet one year. Skiing!

749 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #715 LGoPs

No, he's just inscrutable.........I'm starting to like that word.
/

When I miss a question, please give me a number so I can find it. I'm one of the only lefties in the room and there is a lot of incoming.

750 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:46pm

re: #740 Charles

New thread time? Maybe change of theme is on the cards?

751 Rancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:55:46pm

This kind of bias in the MSM undermines our claims of Liberal bias. Liberal bias is rampant but libs will point at this crap and say; "See, its happens on both sides!"

752 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:06pm

re: #740 Charles

Charles!

I was just trying to heat my coffee! lol

753 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #711 Charles

For Pete's sake.

When did I say I "think this is a good thing?"

Dude, it's not what you say that matters... it's what I project!

/

754 Mardukhai  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:15pm

I agree with Charles, let's get off the C4 stuff.

755 MrMisanthrope  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:16pm

re: #589 DEZes

A comedian used that line many years ago, I do not remember who, but I cant take any credit for it.
Thanks though.


Tom "T-Bone" Stankus. "Existential Blues"
[Link: www.themadmusicarchive.com...]

756 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:20pm

i expect deceit by lies and omission from the lib media.
that's all they seem to do. it's not abt. news for them.
it's abt. pushing their agenda.
it is disappointing to think that the wash. times would engage in such tactics.
do they feel that their backs are up against the wall to the extent that they
have to distort what is going on to get heir point across.
emulating the nyt is a bad move for any publication.

757 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:56:33pm

re: #737 avanti


Or maybe you don't see abusing people for their political views or for their religious views as um, evil, and worthy of our disdain?

758 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:57:33pm

re: #748 Catttt

Gets bokoo snow in the winter - we got 12 feet one year. Skiing!

I went to school in upstate NY. We got alot of snow also.

759 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:57:40pm

And I'm sure you've all heard by now that the EPA declared that carbon dioxide is a threat to human health, thereby arrogating the right to regulate practically every productive industry in America.

I'm sure this will help us get our manufacturing sector back, aren't you?

760 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:57:48pm

re: #732 Mardukhai

Sorry 'bout that Mardukhai, but I just see the humor. Sorry if it parallels a bad thing for anyone, but I see it as tongue in cheek.

Here's another bit of morbid humor from eldest after he got our postcards from Hawaii:

Thanks for the postcards. Someday I hope to visit a tropical paradise. Where I don't have to have a plan for killing everyone.

761 Natasha  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:57:55pm

Guys, I got in trouble for a Murtha post. It was over the line. I am kind of Bacchus-posting, so I am going to log off in order not to say any more stupid drunk things. It's been nice hanging out here! See you tomorrow. Charles, my apologies for virtually barfing on the rug, I am taking it to the cleaners. Have a great night everyone. I am off to raise hell (no, I am not driving!)

762 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:08pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

What the hell are you talking about?

Just because a few people here dislike Murtha, does not automatically mean they also dislike DHS officers.

Get a grip.

763 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:26pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

Please. Murtha's comments were not made in the context of an assignment which had been given to him by his superiors.

764 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:27pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

Totally agree.

765 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:58:55pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

I'm back!

You can all stop crying!

...thank God, I was just about out of tissues.
welcome back, OR, twasnt the same without ye

766 calcajun  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:59:03pm

re: #688 Buster Bunny

Actually, he could be watching Wright's church. They stream their sermons. It's how I attend my church if I am out of town.

767 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:59:34pm

re: #742 Iron Fist


We both know Obama has no intention of doing that, so, again, I'll ask what do you think we can accomplish with talks?

Sorry, my crystal ball is on the fritz, I can't predict what if anything the talks will accomplish. I don't think Nixon knew that ping-pong would open up China.

768 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 3:59:37pm

re: #740 Charles

This is great. Let's prove we're not extremists by discussing ways to kill people with C4 explosive.

I'd be fine with discussing ways to kill, say, jihadists with it; but the uses that I see have been discussed upthread... uh, no, kids, think before you hit "post this comment", m'kay?

(I did get to play a little with C4 once, under strict, expert military supervision; 'twas loads of fun, I must admit.)

769 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:00:22pm

re: #749 avanti

When I miss a question, please give me a number so I can find it. I'm one of the only lefties in the room and there is a lot of incoming.

No, I was just replying to jcm I think. The word inscrutable just struck my fancy and I associated it with you. No meanness intended. Although I disagree with you most of the time your general politeness makes up for a lot.
No offense intended.
:)

770 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #765 Wishing

...thank God, I was just about out of tissues.
welcome back, OR, twasnt the same without ye

"Welcome Back, Reader", wasn't that a t.v. show from the 70s?

771 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #687 avanti

Why are they more of a enemy then the Communist countries we deal with now ? China has at least as poor human rights record.

I agree. And I've long maintained that our cozying up to them is a bad idea, simply on the grounds that it encourages them (and their "clients", like Lil' Kim) to believe that they can pursue their "historic aims" (think; regional hegemony and worldwide power projection- after all, they're "The Middle Kingdom", in their own minds) without at some point forcing us to oppose them purely on philosophical grounds, let alone self-preservation.

Nixon's "face time" with Mao led to almost four decades of increasingly stupid U.S. policies, ranging from Jimmy Carter getting Taiwan booted from the UN, to our lukewarm response to Tienanmen Square, to the Wen Ho Lee affair. (Which happened under both Democratic and Republican administrations, I might add.) And in each case, the beneficiary was a regime' which routinely violates every human rights accord it has ever signed, and an even larger number it refuses to even consider.

Our present "policy" of essentially giving the old men in the Forbidden City a promissory note for The One's "stimulus" is another example of an idea so far-fetched in terms of logic that no novelist would dare pitch it to a publisher, even as fantasy. We shouldn't be doing it, on grounds of simple common sense. Anymore than we should be allowing them to routinely violate intellectual-property laws, or allow them to undercut the business we do with our actual allies in the region, notably Japan, South Korea and, oh yes, Taiwan.

The whole philosophy of "doing business with Red China" reminds me of this old limerick;

There was a young lady from Niger,
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger.
When they returned from the ride,
The young lass was inside,
With the smile on the face of the tiger.

So no, we shouldn't be "doing business" with the PRC, either. Anymore than we should with Cuba. For pretty much the same reasons.

cheers

eon

772 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:01pm
773 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:13pm

re: #768 Occasional Reader

I'd be fine with discussing ways to kill, say, jihadists with it; but the uses that I see have been discussed upthread... uh, no, kids, think before you hit "post this comment", m'kay?

(I did get to play a little with C4 once, under strict, expert military supervision; 'twas loads of fun, I must admit.)

It really grew out of a oral sex joke and got outa hand.

774 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:41pm

re: #757 Wishing

Or maybe you don't see abusing people for their political views or for their religious views as um, evil, and worthy of our disdain?

Of course, let's stop buying middle eastern oil as fast as possible.

775 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:43pm

re: #737 avanti
I have no idea when they became "enemies"
The fact they they are still Commies does not automatically make them a enemy.

OK, now I'm sure you are just a rube.
1961 Cuban Missile Crisis?
That was enemy behavior.

/twit............

776 Buster Bunny  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:51pm

re: #768 Occasional Reader

I'd be fine with discussing ways to kill, say, jihadists with it; but the uses that I see have been discussed upthread... uh, no, kids, think before you hit "post this comment", m'kay?

(I did get to play a little with C4 once, under strict, expert military supervision; 'twas loads of fun, I must admit.)

I got to play with a sniper rifle for six weeks. By the end of it I was able to hit a beer can at 750m. Most of the genuine snipers in my group were very impressed with that. But then I always had good judgement on distance vision.

My normal vision is lousy though.

777 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:01:59pm

re: #759 Occasional Reader

And I'm sure you've all heard by now that the EPA declared that carbon dioxide is a threat to human health, thereby arrogating the right to regulate practically every productive industry in America.

I'm sure this will help us get our manufacturing sector back, aren't you?

Not to mention that it is a natural by-product of living? Like in breathing.....
And we want more of this government? Sheesh.

778 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:02:26pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

"Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards."

Hey! Some of us bastards are damned grateful
But we are still bastards!

779 Mike McDaniel  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:02:36pm

OT, but since this thread has wandered...

It looks like Al Quaeda is sponsoring and profiting from pirate attacks. See [Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...] ...it's about the second or third post down.

The stakes on piracy just went up considerably...

780 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:02:50pm

re: #769 LGoPs

No, I was just replying to jcm I think. The word inscrutable just struck my fancy and I associated it with you. No meanness intended. Although I disagree with you most of the time your general politeness makes up for a lot.
No offense intended.
:)

I prefer mysterious, but not clueless. :)

781 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:00pm
782 SteveRogers  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:03pm

re: #134 The Other Les

Bet that's someone from ACORN.

No, just because nearly all the large Lefty blogs have several people who said they were going to infiltrate the Tea Protests to make Conservatives and other protesters look bad doesn't mean they would actually do such a thing. We all know that Leftists on those hate blogs like Kos would never sink that low./

Besides, good luck getting any evidence to prove it.

783 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:06pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

I'm back!

You can all stop crying!

* * * **
Jajaja, you had me laughing hours ago with your suggested drinks for the International Workers of the World and Indeterminate Citizenship Rocking in the USA Party!

Amigo! Feliz Uno de Mayo community organized for us by our fraternal organizations who reject federal authority.

784 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:13pm

Down-dingers on this thread, in favor of the Washington Times lying about the DHS report:

engrpat, freehoney, Oingo Boingo, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

785 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:43pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

Who the fuck are you calling ungrateful!

786 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:51pm

re: #774 avanti

Of course, let's stop buying middle eastern oil as fast as possible.

I would sure be in favor of that! Drill baby drill!

787 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:03:54pm

I'm having trouble with losing connection to LGF every once in a while on this comp. I just got a new hard drive and have not fixed it all up with everything yet.

Any ideas why this is happening? Firewall or something?

788 USBeast  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:10pm

re: #784 Charles

Down-dingers on this thread, in favor of the Washington Times lying about the DHS report:

engrpat, freehoney, Oingo Boingo, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

Never heard of 'em.

789 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:24pm

re: #773 Nevergiveup

It really grew out of a oral sex joke and got outa hand.

But enough about the Clinton Administration...

790 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:33pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

And I'm sure if the lefties got a hold of a left-wing extremist threat assessment document from the DHS 3 or so years ago, they would barking moonbat crazy over it. They would be calling Bush Hitler (more than usual), the DHS would be the stutzstaffel or Geheimestattspolizei, and they would be demanding investigations into politically motivated abuses of power by teh neconz.

Why does the right insist on emulating them?

791 Racer X  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:53pm

Boy I must have missed something.

Did the DHS go from being totally despised by those on the left, to being totally despised by those on the right? For the exact same reason?

I must have missed that transition.

792 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #756 nyc redneck

i expect deceit by lies and omission from the lib media.
that's all they seem to do. it's not abt. news for them.
it's abt. pushing their agenda.
it is disappointing to think that the wash. times would engage in such tactics.
do they feel that their backs are up against the wall to the extent that they
have to distort what is going on to get heir point across.
emulating the nyt is a bad move for any publication.

* * * *
Didn't Charles say it was an EDITORIAL? That is, an opinion piece?

793 SteveRogers  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:04:56pm

re: #781 taxfreekiller

So, now we have two Navy guys who like commies, Kerry and he who does not need named.

Good point!

794 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:05:12pm

Ok OT - OT - OT

Opening night of new show cancelled. Interstate 70 is closed, West and East bound from Golden to Vail, we have about 6 inches of slush on the road here, 2 feet of snow in the mountains, and it's not stopping any time soon.

Talk...

P.S - a lot of deletes on this thread, I must of missed a lot of fun.

795 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:05:33pm

re: #768 Occasional Reader

I'd be fine with discussing ways to kill, say, jihadists with it; but the uses that I see have been discussed upthread... uh, no, kids, think before you hit "post this comment", m'kay?

(I did get to play a little with C4 once, under strict, expert military supervision; 'twas loads of fun, I must admit.)

Live fire training with a claymore was fun too. Got showered in the fox hole with the remnants of the sand bags we put around it. "Front Towards Enemy" is a punch line until you handle a live one.

796 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:05:35pm

Sheesh! I step away for 30 minutes and there are, like, a gazillion deletes. Wha' hoppend?

797 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:06:36pm

Outright Dishonesty or Outright War? We almost lost Iraq because we didn't apply the correct counter-doctrine to the situation on the ground: The Future of Information Operations

Every administration organizes the Pentagon its own way; there is no right or wrong way to go about it. So we shouldn’t read too much into news that the Pentagon Office of Support to Public Diplomacy has been eliminated. It is nevertheless slightly dismaying.

For years the talk within the U.S. military and the U.S. government has broadly been that we are terrible at “information operations,” thus ceding this critical battlefield to our enemies.

798 callahan23  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:07:56pm

re: #794 Walter L. Newton

P.S - a lot of deletes on this thread, I must of missed a lot of fun.

Some of the deletes are related to an oral sex joke that developed to an explosives talk that got out of hand.

799 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #792 alegrias

* * * *
Didn't Charles say it was an EDITORIAL? That is, an opinion piece?

The WT runs editorials that use statistics to accuse other people of lying, so when they use FBI stats and then fudge quotations in a lying way, it's not their opinion - it's subterfuge.

800 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:21pm

re: #776 Buster Bunny

I got to play with a sniper rifle for six weeks. By the end of it I was able to hit a beer can at 750m. Most of the genuine snipers in my group were very impressed with that. But then I always had good judgement on distance vision.

My normal vision is lousy though.

What kind of sniper rifle? And what were the circumstances, if you don't mind my asking?

801 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:32pm

re: #796 Russkilitlover

Sheesh! I step away for 30 minutes and there are, like, a gazillion deletes. Wha' hoppend?

Well basically people took one from column A and one from Column B and when they got put together, it was not as good as it sounded.

802 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:36pm

Here's my take on the DHS fiasco.
It is being used by BOTH sides to push THEIR agenda.
Leak it............
Spin it...........

/by any means possible...........

803 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:48pm

BBIAW

804 screaming_eagle  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:08:51pm

re: #774 avanti

Of course, let's stop buying middle eastern oil as fast as possible.

Drill ANWAR

805 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:09:18pm

re: #796 Russkilitlover

Sheesh! I step away for 30 minutes and there are, like, a gazillion deletes. Wha' hoppend?

Friday Afternoon Delete-A-Thon. We put stinky to the test because the move wasn't strenuous enough.

806 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:09:33pm

re: #796 Russkilitlover

Sheesh! I step away for 30 minutes and there are, like, a gazillion deletes. Wha' hoppend?

An innocent joke got out of hand and some of the comments did not meet the high standards that Charles sets here. He was 100% correct in deleting them. There is no need to feed the left with "right wing extremist" ammunition.

807 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:25pm

Meanwhile Drudge who usually takes the weekends off is blasting the News that Obama is making love to the Castro boys.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

808 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:25pm

Either the hamsters are about to bust or my computer is... bbl

809 SteveRogers  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:38pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

I'm not upset with the folks out in the field protecting us. But I am going to take the bureaurats who attempt to politicize the DHS threat assessment to task.

810 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:10:39pm

re: #798 callahan23

Some of the deletes are related to an oral sex joke that developed to an explosives talk that got out of hand.

I'd say most. And it turns out that Murtha isn't very well liked around these parts.
/

811 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:17pm

re: #784 Charles

Down-dingers on this thread, in favor of the Washington Times lying about the DHS report:

engrpat, freehoney, Oingo Boingo, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

Hey it's the Jackass 5.
*ducks* to miss getting hit with pie.
Geez, tough crowd.

812 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:22pm
813 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #794 Walter L. Newton

"Opening night of new show cancelled. Interstate 70 is closed, West and East bound from Golden to Vail, we have about 6 inches of slush on the road here, 2 feet of snow in the mountains, and it's not stopping any time soon."

Green Dragons to you (envy)!
97 tomorrow and not a snow flake in site!

814 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:11:52pm

re: #784 Charles

nics I have never seen posting... interesting.

815 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:23pm

re: #804 screaming_eagle

Drill ANWAR

This one?

816 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:34pm

re: #794 Walter L. Newton

Ok OT - OT - OT

Opening night of new show cancelled. Interstate 70 is closed, West and East bound from Golden to Vail, we have about 6 inches of slush on the road here, 2 feet of snow in the mountains, and it's not stopping any time soon.

Talk...

P.S - a lot of deletes on this thread, I must of missed a lot of fun.

I was just looking at web cams of my old college and saw weather there too (Monarch pass area).

817 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:39pm

re: #786 Wishing

I would sure be in favor of that! Drill baby drill!

Build nuke plants, drill here, drill now. it is not rocket science.

818 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:12:59pm

re: #774 avanti

Of course, let's stop buying middle eastern oil as fast as possible.

I rather thought that was the whole point of "energy independence". Of course, if The One was really serious about it, he wouldn't be hiring energy "experts" who insist on banning domestic oil exploration, coal gasification, and nuclear power, and also dismantling hydroelectric dams to "make rivers wild again".

The fact that his "experts" in fact insist on all of the above tells me that they are either comfortable with supporting regimes' which oppress their own people and also hate us, or that they somehow believe that a pre-agrarian Neolithic culture will somehow be able to support a world population much larger than it did historically. Or else that they somehow believe that Wind and Sun will save us- which tells me they are not conversant with Ohm's Law, or the facts that (A) the Sun does not shine on a given piece of land for 12 hours out of every 24, and/or (B) that the wind does not blow all the time.

I will be more than happy to end economic dependence upon the OPEC countries- Just as soon as our government gets realistic about what we must do to achieve that goal.

So far, all I'm seeing is "Friends of the Earth" fantasies out of The One and his minions. And unfortunately, I don't expect that to change.

/At least, not until the next election, and maybe not even then.

cheers

eon

819 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:13:27pm

re: #814 Kenneth

nics I have never seen posting... interesting.

Oingo Boingo is familiar, but I'm probably thinking the old music group.

820 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:13:40pm

Didja see the footage nightlife in Baghdad on Brent Baer's show on FOX, of belly dancing beauties shaking their hip length hair in Baghdad restaurants, while happy customers drank vodka, and at other establishments, children playing in swingsets on the edge of the Euphrates?

Prune face Pelosi and party pooper Harry Reid are hating this good news. They're partying in Baghdad like it's 1955.

821 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #817 Van Helsing

Build nuke plants, drill here, drill now. it is not rocket science.

It is for democrats

822 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:13:57pm

re: #815 CyanSnowHawk

oooOOHHHhhh!

Works for me!

823 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:14:01pm

re: #677 jwb7605

If Afghanistan...

Afghanistan is almost unimportant compared to what Obama will face.

Obama is Carter like, multiplied.

Carter lost Iran and we are still paying the price with likely worse to come.

Obama is going to lose Pakistan and all hell will break out.

824 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:14:41pm

re: #790 ArchangelMichael

And I'm sure if the lefties got a hold of a left-wing extremist threat assessment document from the DHS 3 or so years ago, they would barking moonbat crazy over it.

They did in about 2000 or so when ELF was declared a terrorist organization. The reaction was similar to what we're seeing today.

825 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:14:41pm

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

PORT OF SPAIN, April 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama and Venezuela's anti-U.S. leader President Hugo Chavez shook hands on Friday at the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad, the Venezuelan government said.

Photographs released by Venezuela's presidential office showed Chavez, a fierce adversary of Washington policies, smiling and clasping hands with Obama at the start of the summit of Latin American and Caribbean leaders. (Reporting by Patrick Markey; Editing by Eric Walsh)

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

826 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:14:51pm

re: #815 CyanSnowHawk

Protection

827 tompaineftw  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:14:54pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Everyone who hates Murtha for his disgraceful smearing of our troops needs to also consider that smearing our counter terrorism officers is just as bad. They are not out to get you. They are protecting all of us, you ungrateful bastards.

That really depends what a 'counter terrorism officer' is.

828 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:02pm

re: #794 Walter L. Newton

Ok OT - OT - OT

Opening night of new show cancelled. Interstate 70 is closed, West and East bound from Golden to Vail, we have about 6 inches of slush on the road here, 2 feet of snow in the mountains, and it's not stopping any time soon.

Talk...

P.S - a lot of deletes on this thread, I must of missed a lot of fun.

You did. What's the outlook for Denver over the weekend? My wife is supposed to be there Sunday night.

829 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:09pm

re: #807 Nevergiveup

Meanwhile Drudge who usually takes the weekends off is blasting the News that Obama is making love to the Castro boys.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

* * * *
Fred Barnes says we could take over Cuba with Spring break coeds.

830 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:10pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

But enough about the Clinton Administration...

Oh crap..you are back! Don't read my 487 after you left...
/Hope today finds you well

831 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:27pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

Gag me.

832 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:39pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

Well, s**t.

833 MJ  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:40pm

McCain Strategist Warns GOP Risks Becoming 'Religious Party'

Steve Schmidt urges Republicans to begin voicing more support for civil unions and gay rights.

He urged Republicans, in the near-term, to endorse civil unions and stop using the Bible as rationale for gay-marriage opposition...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Even though he ran a terrible campaign, I have to agree with him on this issue.

834 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:15:48pm

re: #823 Opinionated

Hey! Don't go all Beck on us!
/

835 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:03pm

re: #812 Iron Fist


You never have had a plan B. If I were a suspicious person, I'd speculate that you really don't care when it fails, as long as it is the United States that takes the damage.


That's bullshit, of course I care. I just don't understand the right's fear of talking as in the Cuban case. Talking does not take the military option off the table, nor should it cause damage.

836 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:11pm

re: #807 Nevergiveup

Meanwhile Drudge who usually takes the weekends off is blasting the News that Obama is making love to the Castro boys.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

I'm not liking the way that the media keeps doing things like this with Obama photos.

Note, the Drudge photo has Obama in the Jesus pose from the first link at this time. Not likely to stay there for long.

837 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:25pm

re: #614 avanti

OK, but one thing I always wondered, why are many on the right opposed to talking to a former enemy ? What is the down side to diplomacy ? I notice more nuke um, than talk to them threads. We have better relations with Vietnam then with Cuba, and I don't get it.

Who is saying we shouldn't talk to the Russians?

838 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #787 Catttt

I'm having trouble with losing connection to LGF every once in a while on this comp. I just got a new hard drive and have not fixed it all up with everything yet.

Any ideas why this is happening? Firewall or something?

BTW - HELP, geeks! Any minute now, I'll lose LGF again. I have to reboot each time.

839 Dreader1962  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:31pm

I do agree that this report is being used to the point of distraction, but after reading it (and re-reading it; it is very short) I come away with the distinct impression that this is reaching to 'balance' other threats. There's hardly enough in the report to justify separating it out from a report on 'left-wing' extremists. Imagine the money that would have been saved integrating these two reports together?

Also, I often hear cited that McVeigh had military training which helped him conduct his terrorist attack. He was a Bradley Fighting Vehicle crewmember. From what I understand of the Oklahoma City bombing, it was a fertilizer bomb in a rental van. He would not have obtained the necessary skills to carry out the technical aspects of his attack. He was not a trained counter-intelligence agent, so he didn't have any special covert skills (he bombed out of SF training, apparently).

Looking at the Wikipedia entry for McVeigh, some idiot placed in his military career section the following quote:

"During dawn runs and their long, exhausting marches over the Georgia sand, their sound-offs revolved around killing and mutilating the enemy, or violent sex with women."

Oh come on! Anyone who has been in the Army knows that these are just cadences that take your mind off the monotony of running. Of course, I traced to the source and (surprise) it comes from a website called 'World Socialist Web Site'.

840 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:33pm

re: #817 Van Helsing

Build nuke plants, drill here, drill now. it is not rocket science.

Your text to link...

841 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:41pm

re: #831 Nevergiveup

Gag me.

Looking for the pic now.

842 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:16:58pm

Just wishing everyone a great Friday night and all Lizardim out there a good Shabbos!

I'll see you on Saturday evening!

843 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:17:05pm

re: #827 tompaineftw

They are the people who keep you safe no matter how much you bitch and whine about them. The also keep Muslims safe despite CAIR's bitching and the also keep moonbats safe no matter how ungrateful they are.

844 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

Don't worry, avanti's about to explain to us what a wonderful development this is.

845 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:17:47pm

re: #838 Catttt

Are you using Firefox?

846 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:18:04pm

re: #838 Catttt

BTW - HELP, geeks! Any minute now, I'll lose LGF again. I have to reboot each time.

It's the DHS. Duh.

847 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:18:31pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

Just about to post that! (post thief! ;-P)

But then you have this.........

White House: No meeting set between Obama, Chavez

The White House says President Barack Obama has no plans to hold a one-on-one meeting with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez at a summit this weekend.

Okay, hand shake is not a one-on-one meeting.

Fellow travelers IMHO.

848 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:18:53pm

re: #844 Occasional Reader

Yahoo pic
Ugh.

849 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:02pm

re: #843 Killgore Trout

They are the people who keep you safe no matter how much you bitch and whine about them. The also keep Muslims safe despite CAIR's bitching and the also keep moonbats safe no matter how ungrateful they are.

Okay. But do you know for a fact that the "officers" authored this report, as opposed to the political appointments at the top?

850 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:03pm

re: #818 eon

and I'd like to add, and I've said it before and will continue to say it, You can't build windmills, green cars and solar cells without OIL!
You can't build ANYTHING without OIL!

851 loppyd  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:23pm

re: #847 jcm

Okay, hand shake is not a one-on-one meeting.

Fellow travelers IMHO.

Ha! I was just about to follow up with that so we're even. :)

852 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:25pm

re: #817 Van Helsing

Build nuke plants, drill here, drill now. it is not rocket science.

Build these Now!
Problem solved (almost)!

853 screaming_eagle  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:19:31pm

re: #823 Opinionated

Afghanistan is almost unimportant compared to what Obama will face.

Obama is Carter like, multiplied.

Carter lost Iran and we are still paying the price with likely worse to come.

Obama is going to lose Pakistan and all hell will break out.

Yeh this isn't a game about warm fuzzy feelings.

854 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:06pm

re: #818 eon

Don't leave out the current design of the power grid - it is DEMAND driven. Demand goes up, they turn on another turbine.

Wind and solar are SUPPLY driven. Until there is a way to store that power economically wind and solar will be trivial bits in the power scheme.

Space solar would probably be a better bet.

855 sonofsheldon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:15pm

OT,
I'm looking for some help, lizards. Remember the photo of the "Palestinian" kid in blue being arrested by Israeli soldiers? He's so scared, he's wet his pants. Well, I'm trying to find the less well known photo of the same kid taken minutes before, as he's throwing stones at the Israeli soldiers. If you know and post the link you will be helping me gather material to battle a group of Israel bashers tomorrow morning. I may cross post this later, and I apologize in advance if I end up doing that.
Thanks lizards.

856 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:17pm

re: #848 Killgore Trout

Yahoo pic
Ugh.

Hey, and they're doing a really COOL handshake, too. This gets better and better.

Wait... aren't we neo-Nazi Paulians for having a problem with this?

857 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #848 Killgore Trout

Yahoo pic
Ugh.

Lordy, I had to slam it shut.
I hate seeing America looking like fools.

858 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:36pm

re: #848 Killgore Trout

Yahoo pic
Ugh.

What is that, some kind of seekrit handshake for evil dictators?

859 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:20:56pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt


They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.


Chavez: Obama, comrade!

Obama: Chavez, I must congratulate you on your transformation of Venezuela from a once prosperous country into a 3rd world shithold.

Chavez: You are too kind. But you! I envy the speed with which you are transforming the evil capitalist imperialist arrogant America into a socialist utopia! What you've done is just a couple of months took me years.

Obama: You ain't seen nothing yet.....

Both: *snicker* *snicker*

860 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:21:08pm

The volleyball game has started. The grill is heating up so it's time to go play host!
Have a great Friday, ya'll!

861 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:21:42pm

re: #849 Occasional Reader

Okay. But do you know for a fact that the "officers" authored this report, as opposed to the political appointments at the top?

"We support the troops, they are just pawns of the midless killing machine."
/Yes, I've seen it before and it doesn't wash.

862 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:00pm

re: #854 Van Helsing

Space solar would probably be a better bet.

How does this work?

863 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:12pm

re: #845 Wishing

Are you using Firefox?

Yes, but it also does it with Explorer.

864 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:12pm

re: #835 avanti

That's bullshit, of course I care. I just don't understand the right's fear of talking as in the Cuban case. Talking does not take the military option off the table, nor should it cause damage.

Fear? Did someone say something about fear? It's not fear. I don't treat with fascist, bigots or other assholes at home, why should I talk with commies offshore?

865 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:17pm

re: #832 Catttt

Well, s**t.

We're all One, baby. ;-)

866 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:42pm

re: #858 Alouette

What is that, some kind of seekrit handshake for evil dictators?


Very funny but you need to use a sarc tag these days. There's so much insanity that it's hard to tell the difference.

867 Earick  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:22:47pm

re: #850 IslandLibertarian

Pyramids!

giggle giggel! I gotta go!

868 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:00pm

re: #865 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

We're all One, baby. ;-)

I don't want to be all one.

869 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #825 loppyd

Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt

They just showed the pic on Fox. Laughing it up with Hugo. Real nice.

* * * * *
Maybe Pres. Obama will get a chance to interrupt bloviating Hugo like King Juan Carlos did last year at this Summit of the Americas:

"Why don't you just shut up?" (The famous "Porque no te callas?" comment that rocked the Spanish speaking world for its AUDACITY)

870 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:07pm

Accurate reporting is a good thing. I still think the DHS report was sloppy.

871 kingkenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:08pm

Judge forces Obama to justify "state secrets" defense in Al-Haramain trial:

[Link: politics.theatlantic.com...]

The judge says that because the plaintiff's lawyers have the proper security clearance, then the govt should be able to divulge top secret info - because they've done it before.

872 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #852 Wishing

Build these Now!
Problem solved (almost)!

It's going to take a lot of convincing to get me to believe that distributed home sized nuclear plants is going to be a good idea.

873 Rancher  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:15pm

re: #734 Earick

"C4 is awesome! If it is warm enough, you can make cute sculptures out of it! Then you can blow shit up with them!

Caddyshack comes to mind.

874 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:27pm

re: #855 sonofsheldon

OT,
I'm looking for some help, lizards. Remember the photo of the "Palestinian" kid in blue being arrested by Israeli soldiers? He's so scared, he's wet his pants. Well, I'm trying to find the less well known photo of the same kid taken minutes before, as he's throwing stones at the Israeli soldiers. If you know and post the link you will be helping me gather material to battle a group of Israel bashers tomorrow morning. I may cross post this later, and I apologize in advance if I end up doing that.
Thanks lizards.

Honestreporting.com

875 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:46pm

re: #868 Catttt

I don't want to be all one.

That makes two I know of.

876 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:23:48pm

re: #869 alegrias

* * * * *
Maybe Pres. Obama will get a chance to interrupt bloviating Hugo like King Juan Carlos did last year at this Summit of the Americas:

"Why don't you just shut up?" (The famous "Porque no te callas?" comment that rocked the Spanish speaking world for its AUDACITY)

Fat fuckin chance of that!

877 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:06pm

re: #856 Occasional Reader

Hey, and they're doing a really COOL handshake, too. This gets better and better.

Wait... aren't we neo-Nazi Paulians for having a problem with this?

Well, Nazis and Communists are known to not get a long ;}

878 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:09pm

re: #863 Catttt

Yes, but it also does it with Explorer.

If this just started, have you rebooted the PC?

879 SteveRogers  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:11pm

re: #839 Dreader1962

Well said. A chemist or hollywood special effects guy or an engineer could do the same thing Mcveigh did. So could anyone with enough smarts to do research in a library or online. I didn't see that in the DHS threat assessment.

880 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:35pm

re: #861 Killgore Trout

"We support the troops, they are just pawns of the midless killing machine."
/Yes, I've seen it before and it doesn't wash.

That gets the analogy exactly backwards, of course. But nice try.

882 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:53pm

re: #859 Russkilitlover

Funny, but scary.

883 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:24:54pm
884 kingkenrod  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:10pm

That Obama/Chavez pic will make great campaign literature.

885 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #869 alegrias

Maybe Pres. Obama will get a chance to interrupt bloviating Hugo like King Juan Carlos did last year at this Summit of the Americas:

And maybe monos will fly out of my culo....

886 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:40pm

re: #848 Killgore Trout

the Bro handshake...........

887 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:25:42pm

re: #872 CyanSnowHawk

It's going to take a lot of convincing to get me to believe that distributed home sized nuclear plants is going to be a good idea.

Did you read the link?
It certainly is do-able.
One small underground nuke for a medium sized community?
And not that expensive either. Runs for about 30 years maintenance free, for the most part.
I love it!

888 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:26:23pm

re: #864 Van Helsing

Fear? Did someone say something about fear? It's not fear. I don't treat with fascist, bigots or other assholes at home, why should I talk with commies offshore?

You don't have to, your government has been talking to them for decades.

889 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:26:29pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Norwegian diplomat uses discredited 2001 photo to compare Israel to Nazis

I am impressed KT!

890 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:27:03pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

Nope, this is exactly what the LLL has been doing for years.

891 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:27:44pm

re: #889 Wishing

I was slow on the trigger. Allouette beat me to it.

892 robdouth  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:27:54pm

re: #821 Nevergiveup

It is for democrats

Seriously, Billions of dollars sunk into researching if Yucca mountain is safe (which every report says its safe for at least 10,000 years) and Obama says that reports are "inconclusive" but global warming science is settled. Figure that shit out. Party of science my ass. We have the plague of creationists on the right, and they have the plague of only loving the science that fits their worldview on the left.

893 sonofsheldon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:31pm

re: #881 Killgore Trout

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

894 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:33pm

re: #891 Killgore Trout

I was slow on the trigger. Allouette beat me to it.

You guys are amazing!

895 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:56pm

re: #888 avanti

You don't have to, your Our government has been talking to them for decades.


You meant to say that right?

896 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:28:57pm
897 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:29:29pm

re: #895 HoosierHoops

You meant to say that right?

Doesnt he make you want to puke.
Man o man.

898 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #874 Alouette

That was quick

899 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #862 Wishing

Space solar would probably be a better bet.

How does this work?

Your text to link... There are other links.

The idea has been around for a long time - solar cell arrays in space beam energy to earth stations as microwave or laser systems.

There are still huge problems with the idea ( the f***ing greens will never go for a system that actually works) but the general idea has been already been proven.

No real exotic new technology required. Just low cost ground to space transport, and we gave up on that for 30 years and are just now thinking about getting back into the game.

900 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:12pm

re: #883 Iron Fist


But you are being (rather clumsily) disingenous here. What about Iran? We've been fighting a low intensity war with them for thirty years or so. And now they are trying to build atomic bombs. Obama has said he'll talk to them. What could such talks produce?

What is it you'd be trying to accomplish?

I would try and convince them they will not be allowed to get nukes in the future and try and get them a face saving plan to avoid the inevitable military action.

901 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:14pm

re: #833 MJ

McCain Strategist Warns GOP Risks Becoming 'Religious Party'

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Even though he ran a terrible campaign, I have to agree with him on this issue.

* * * *
McCain's running for his own senate seat in Arizona next year. His daughter Meghan the celebutaunt is speaking to the Log Cabin Republicans on this subject, or Manolo Blahniks.

902 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:30:19pm

re: #867 Earick

Pyramids!

giggle giggel! I gotta go!

nope, no oil in the lamps, no grease on the skids.......maybe it wasn't drilled by the 'gyptians, but it was oil...........

/you giggle like a little girl.............

903 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #887 Wishing

Did you read the link?
It certainly is do-able.
One small underground nuke for a medium sized community?
And not that expensive either. Runs for about 30 years maintenance free, for the most part.
I love it!

I've looked at it before. I'm not convinced yet. The idea has promise, but I want to see the downside spelled out by an independent review before I'll render a verdict on it.

904 Wishing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:31:36pm

re: #899 Van Helsing

Your text to link... There are other links.

The idea has been around for a long time - solar cell arrays in space beam energy to earth stations as microwave or laser systems.

There are still huge problems with the idea ( the f***ing greens will never go for a system that actually works) but the general idea has been already been proven.

No real exotic new technology required. Just low cost ground to space transport, and we gave up on that for 30 years and are just now thinking about getting back into the game.

Thanks for the explanation!

905 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:04pm

re: #869 alegrias

* * * * *
Maybe Pres. Obama will get a chance to interrupt bloviating Hugo like King Juan Carlos did last year at this Summit of the Americas:

"Why don't you just shut up?" (The famous "Porque no te callas?" comment that rocked the Spanish speaking world for its AUDACITY)

I've admired King Juan Carlos ever since he foiled a coup back in the early 80s with words, not violence, at great potential risk to himself. Even though he was groomed by Franco, he was all out for democracy and risked his own life to put down a coup. He went on TV and ordered the soldiers back to their barracks, and they obeyed him.

906 alegrias  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:33:23pm

re: #817 Van Helsing

Build nuke plants, drill here, drill now. it is not rocket science.

** * *
You're offending sacred crows and holy grails of supposed science supporters by suggesting we go French nuclear or improve drilling domestically.

907 Dreader1962  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:34:05pm

re: #899 Van Helsing

I went to a seminar about this put on by the L-5 society in the '70s with my father. It's an 'old' idea that should be looked at again.

908 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:34:30pm

re: #878 Wishing

If this just started, have you rebooted the PC?

Yessss. Over and over. It stops for a while, then does it again. It happens just with this comp since I booted up the new hard drive this week.

909 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:34:46pm

This debate seems familiar.

Remember when the LA Times found that a disproportionate number of pedos were also Star Trek fans? LAT has their article locked away, but HuffPo summarised it adequately enough; and the NAMBLATrekToday has their take on it.

For a time there we trekkies had to be very discreet about our perverse preferences - those lifesize pinups of Lady Grillka [warning: hardcore GERMAN TREKKIE SITE] had to be rolled up, the bottles of blue-tinted "Romulan Ale" had to be stoppered and hidden, and all our internet archives were purged of Jonah Goldberg columns.

I have a feeling this s'tarahk is dead, and the Washington Times is not doing itself any favours by plying the whip some more over its fly-bitten corpse.

910 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:34:50pm

re: #895 HoosierHoops

You meant to say that right?

I assumed you were a American, and we shared the same government. Mine, is yours.

911 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:35:18pm

re: #850 IslandLibertarian

and I'd like to add, and I've said it before and will continue to say it, You can't build windmills, green cars and solar cells without OIL!
You can't build ANYTHING without OIL!

Half of the oil used in this country every year is used to manufacture materials- mainly the plastics that the "Greens" claim are so lightweight, strong, and superior to metal for making "green" cars, houses, etc.

But most "Greens" think "Oil=Fuel=Pollution=Evil."

Which proves to me that they are scientific ignoramuses, and a pseudo-religious cult roughly on a par with the IDiots.

Religious dogma makes for bad policy. Here, in the Islamic world, or anywhere.

And calling it something other than what it actually is doesn't make it intelligent. Or even rational.

/Although I've noticed that the "Green progressives" set even less store by rationality than the IDiots do. And insist even more loudly that they are the only "rational" people in the room.

cheers

eon

912 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:35:32pm

re: #908 Catttt

Yessss. Over and over. It stops for a while, then does it again. It happens just with this comp since I booted up the new hard drive this week.

Hey Cattt.. I'm a network Admin..What is the issue?

913 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:35:43pm

Chavez thread! Woot!

914 avanti  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:36:03pm

re: #901 alegrias

* * * *
McCain's running for his own senate seat in Arizona next year. His daughter Meghan the celebutaunt is speaking to the Log Cabin Republicans on this subject, or Manolo Blahniks.

I don't think Steve Schmidt's idea about not opposing gay marriage will please the base.

915 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:02pm

re: #906 alegrias

** * *
You're offending sacred crows and holy grails of supposed science supporters by suggesting we go French nuclear or improve drilling domestically.

Sacred crow... tastes like chicken.
Yeah, the French get 70% of their power from nukes and reprocess (or otherwise deal with) the spent fuel.

We get about 20% and plant operators have to deal with the waste on their own despite federal assurance (I laugh) that there will be a national waste system.


I guess their greens like air conditioning more than our greens.

916 Catttt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:15pm

re: #912 HoosierHoops

Hey Cattt.. I'm a network Admin..What is the issue?

After maybe an hour or so, I lose LGF. It goes to the "cannot find Web site" page. I have to reboot the comp to get back. I usually can figure stuff out, but this has me stumped. I am thinking it is my firewall or something. It only happens here on LGF.

917 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:37:39pm

re: #784 Charles

Down-dingers on this thread, in favor of the Washington Times lying about the DHS report:

engrpat, freehoney, Oingo Boingo, Shanimal1918, ziggyelman

Engrpat - wonder if that's "Engineer Pat"?
Sounds like it could very well be the asshole SOB who is buying up single-family homes in my neighborhood and renting ROOMS in those homes to halfway-house dropouts who are dealing drugs and scaring the little old ladies across the street.

He is just the type of unethical scumbag who would see no problem with news media distorting stories as long as it's in a way that he likes.

918 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:38:46pm

re: #900 avanti

I would try and convince them they will not be allowed to get nukes in the future and try and get them a face saving plan to avoid the inevitable military action.

You don't understand Iran. It's called tarooff. You have to have a starting point such that what you give up allows you to end at your goal, while the other side saves face by pointing our what you gave up. Tarooff takes time, a kilo of potatoes, a couple of minutes, a refrigerator half a day, a car a couple of days.

In order to do that in case it has two problems are starting point is going to have to be we declare war or... and time, time for this type of bargaining has run out.

Third Iran and Mad Mullahs are of the Cult of 12th Imam, they don't want to give up the weapons, they see them as a way to bring about the return of the 12th Imam, their holy duty.

919 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #900 avanti

I would try and convince them they will not be allowed to get nukes in the future and try and get them a face saving plan to avoid the inevitable military action.

Sooooooooo, like saying "We're not going to sit down with you until you STOP your nuclear programs." means nothing?
Do you know what obtuse means?

920 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:41:01pm

re: #911 eon

I agree completely that we need to QUIT BURNING the damn stuff. There are better uses for it, but let's start replacing it with existing technology NOW.

Take the pressure off, work on the exotic stuff starting now.

921 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:41:39pm
922 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:41:41pm

re: #910 avanti

I assumed you were a American, and we shared the same government. Mine, is yours.

Allow me to point out where I agree with you..
It is my belief we need full trade with Cuba..
I want to give our friends a taste of freedom...new cars, TV and 500 channels of cable...Walmart for Gawd sakes..
The rest will take care of itself...

923 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:44:31pm

re: #916 Catttt

After maybe an hour or so, I lose LGF. It goes to the "cannot find Web site" page. I have to reboot the comp to get back. I usually can figure stuff out, but this has me stumped. I am thinking it is my firewall or something. It only happens here on LGF.

I'd like to help..But man I need data..Wireless? Router?
Somewhere you are dropping packets in the pipe..
Tell me more....

924 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:46:46pm

re: #923 HoosierHoops

I'd like to help..But man I need data..Wireless? Router?
Somewhere you are dropping packets in the pipe..
Tell me more....

If I don't drop a packet trail how I am I going to find my way out?

;-P

925 eon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:46:46pm

re: #900 avanti

I would try and convince them they will not be allowed to get nukes in the future and try and get them a face saving plan to avoid the inevitable military action.

That presupposes that they would believe that The One would actually take military action against them, in violation of the precepts he learned from his mentors (Wright, Ayers, etc.), and his own steadfast belief that everything that is wrong with our relationship with the Islamic world in general, and Iran in particular, is either (A) our fault or (B) Israel's fault. This was made clear by his just-finished "Apology Tour" of that part of the world.

My EOTS is that (A) they do not believe he would do anything to stop them from acquiring nuclear arms, and (B) even if they use same, he would not retaliate due to being paralyzed by his own precepts. Doubly so if they can achieve "plausible deniability" (i.e., by letting some Islamist group actually set one off, as opposed to doing it themselves). Which puts them in a "can win, cannot lose" situation, even if you do not believe that they might operate on the principle of "As long as we destroy the 'enemies of Islam', we win, even if we become martyrs in the process". Although IMHO a leadership class operating on the principle of "All Martyrs Go To Paradise" is that much more difficult to deter from behaving irrationally by our standards. The "We're Both Sane Men" principle may not necessarily apply here.

cheers

eon

926 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:47:04pm

I'm upthread Cattt

927 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:52:30pm

re: #924 jcm

If I don't drop a packet trail how I am I going to find my way out?

;-P

LOL
I get emails and calls at 4am when a core switch dumps in China or India..
Crazy work..but lots of fun and so far it pays more money than I've figured out how to spend without being a frigging pig...I never had that issue working for the DOD...:)

928 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:53:08pm

re: #370 Killian Bundy

We tortured Abu Zubaydah with caterpillars?

/really?

Did he blurt out secrets between giggles?

929 jcm  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #927 HoosierHoops

LOL
I get emails and calls at 4am when a core switch dumps in China or India..
Crazy work..but lots of fun and so far it pays more money than I've figured out how to spend without being a frigging pig...I never had that issue working for the DOD...:)

Our IT guys here have the same issues... India, Philippines, China, Ukraine....

930 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:06:05pm

re: #605 ArchangelMichael

OT: California unemployment rate up to 11.2 percent

Michigan's climbed to 12.6% as of yesterday.

At last - something we lead the nation at.

Oh, wait...

931 Pepper  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:13:40pm

The timing of the report seems designed to soft pedal brown shirt tactics, or nudge fence sitters over to the correct, not "right " side of the fence.

The extremism issue is not new to the military, the Vietnam era and post war era that followed was replete with concern. Mostly, left anti-government and gangland types sought training or trained individuals for the causes they espoused. That being said.....

The military has been aware and cognizant that a small element seeks "service" for selfish reasons. It briefs, educates, and does not condone espousal of extremism. It is a huge organization and has grown and cultivated many citizens. It is representative of the best our country has to offer in National service.

The j'accuse attitude may be founded in something completely different. A Soldier's Oath is not to the Government but to the U.S. Constitution and legal authority granted to the Government as defined by that document. Any inconsistency between Government and the Constitution can be construed as illegal. This may be the perceived threat. The legitimate questioning of legitimacy by the governed.

Interestingly, the left injected ethics discussions into the military psyche after Vietnam. The consideration of the Oath and legitimacy of orders was inculcated into every Soldier from the commencement of their service and renewed periodically in leadership development. Millions have served and understand the legitimacy of Government power. This means a pool of discontent and change agents may exist within those who have served.
This does not mean they are extreme, nor does it mean they are anarchistic.

Nothing is abitrary or coincidental. This report and how it is portrayed is being used or abused by the both press and political interest to serve their aims. Nationalism is prevalent in the military, or how could they do what so many others will not or cannot do in service to their Country. The Vets are not likely targets of this intimidation. So who is.......

932 SixDegrees  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:23:31pm

re: #823 Opinionated

Afghanistan is almost unimportant compared to what Obama will face.

Obama is Carter like, multiplied.

Carter lost Iran and we are still paying the price with likely worse to come.

Obama is going to lose Pakistan and all hell will break out.

And the elephant in the room is: Pakistan has nukes.

One would hope that there is a plan in place - either within the current Pakistani government, or within some other government - to render those weapons harmless in the event of any unpleasant shift in power.

One would also hope that a reason for making China the first trip on Clinton's tour as SoS was to secure their help with this problem. China played a large role in developing Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, and certainly has invaluable insights into their capacity and possibly the deployment of their resources.

Of course, one can also hope that Santa Claus is real.

933 jwb7605  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 5:43:20pm

re: #916 Catttt

After maybe an hour or so, I lose LGF. It goes to the "cannot find Web site" page. I have to reboot the comp to get back. I usually can figure stuff out, but this has me stumped. I am thinking it is my firewall or something. It only happens here on LGF.

Maybe could be due to "unintended consequences" with Charles' move (cache problems in the net, etc) out of Charles' control.

When that happens to me (usually more than LGF is affected), I've found that a total restart of the (cable) modem fixes things nicely, in addition to resets of the router and all connected PC's as well.

934 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:07:42pm
935 deanyc  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 6:21:49pm

Stop dividing the party, Charles. I have long admired your stance post 9-11. I don't know what your views are on socialism vs. capitalism or a number of other issues. But politics is about nuance, and carping about the Washington Times omitting "small percentage" before a quote does not imply deliberate dishonesty, any more or less than your confident claims that the DHS report isn't politically motivated. The last thing we need is another Ross Perot movement to ruin our chances of getting rid of the Obama administration - an administration that is frightening in its naive approach to foreign policy and many aspects of economics.

936 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:03:33pm

re: #935 deanyc

If you don't see anything wrong with blatantly lying, get off my website.

937 sonofsheldon  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 7:26:52pm

re: #874 Alouette

Sorry, I passed right by your post or I would have thanked you earlier. I may have thought it was mine and I was seeing double. I looked at Honest Reporting, but I obviously didn't dig deep enough. Thanks for your help.

938 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:24:01pm
939 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:37:19pm

re: #938 pepper

Bye now. Take care.

940 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 17, 2009 8:40:00pm

re: #938 pepper

You need to watch this video.

Youtube Video

Badly.

941 meh130  Sat, Apr 18, 2009 9:25:31am

"This isn’t just sloppiness. It’s lying by omission."

The report also includes the following quote to support the claim of veterans joining right-wing groups:

A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that "large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces."

"small percentage", "large numbers", but who is counting?

Not the DHS.

But John Hinderaker did, dissecting that very part of the DHS report, drilling down source to source, to get the actual number. That number? 19.

Sloppiness? Maybe the Washington Times isn't guilty of sloppiness, but the DHS is.

942 meh130  Sat, Apr 18, 2009 9:39:08am

Check this out:

DHS issued report on extremism despite concerns

"Civil liberties officials at the Homeland Security Department did not agree with some of the language in a controversial report on right-wing extremists, but the agency issued the report anyway."

Can you say "rush job"? I'm just sayin'.

"Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the report Thursday, but she said the definition of right-wing extremism that was included in a footnote should be changed."

I think we all can agree with that.

Can't we all get along?

943 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 18, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #942 meh130

Check this out:

DHS issued report on extremism despite concerns

I think we all can agree with that.

Can't we all get along?

Saying the report was "rushed out" is not true. Lawyers had objections to some of the language, and it was decided to release the report without resolving those objections.

The hyperventilating and continuing distortions over this DHS report are a disgrace. It does NOT paint all conservatives or all veterans as extremists, and those who keep insisting it does are doing a huge disservice to the conservative side.

944 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 18, 2009 10:25:55am

And by the way, the report was extensively gone over by DHS lawyers before being released. The objections referred to in that article were the only remaining objections after a very exhaustive vetting process.

945 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Apr 19, 2009 5:57:01pm

Charles -

Without a doubt, minimally "exaggerating" by omission. It is wrong, as were many stories by the WaPo, NYT, etc.
The real question is "Are We Better?" The answer might not be pretty.

-S-


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