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Just when you think the ginned-up outrage over the DHS report on right wing extremism can’t possibly get any sillier, Michael Savage joins with the Thomas More Law Center to file what might be the silliest lawsuit in US history: Ann Arbor-based law center sues Homeland Security over ‘right-wing extremism’ issue.

The Thomas More Law Center is notorious for their (epic fail) defense of the creationists in the Dover, Pennsylvania “intelligent design” trial. If you feel the need for a good laugh, here’s their complaint (PDF). This ridiculous publicity stunt will be tossed out with the first motion to dismiss.

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311 comments
1 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:37:32am

Michael needs to cut back on the Rock Star

2 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:37:39am
3 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:37:48am

Oh boy.

4 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:38:02am

Some days I wonder why I bothered to get out of bed.

5 Erik The Red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:38:03am

Their billable hours must also be taking a hit.

6 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:38:18am

It does no one any good to use the tactics of the left.

7 jaunte  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:39:03am

The complaint’s Plaintiff list includes a promotional blurb for Michael Savage’s radio program.

8 CIA Reject  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:39:19am

Like a drip of oil dropped into a still pond, it spreads …

9 Bloodnok  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #6 coquimbojoe

It does no one any good to use the tactics of the left.

After the last few weeks I don’t think that the left holds the copyright on insanity anymore.

10 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:40:00am

re: #1 Shug

Michael needs to cut back on the Rock Star

He needs to cut back on the idiocy. I have been hoping his love affair with Gerry Brown would stop people from calling him rightwing….that would be too easy.

11 VioletTiger  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:40:33am

This is just too stupid to be funny. Too many idiots out there.

12 Idle Drifter  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:40:46am

So they expect to win over voters for 2010 and 2012 do they.

13 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:40:56am

You gotta wonder how much longer that group will take on stuff like this now that Ahmanson’s switched parties.

14 cronus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:41:06am

Thomas More is perfect for this. You need a legal team that won’t let the facts get in the way. There’s no group more qualified from that standpoint.

15 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:41:19am

re: #9 Bloodnok

After the last few weeks I don’t think that the left holds the copyright on insanity anymore.

I agree. It does help me easily identify those of the right that I will associate myself with.

16 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:41:32am

“…Failure to State a Cause of Action Upon Which Relief May be Granted…”
That is all.

-S-

17 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:41:39am
18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:42:06am

The PDF is a hoot!
/and I’m only at the bottom of page 6 so far

19 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:42:15am

I hope the judge lets him run up a real big bill before tossing the case.

20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #9 Bloodnok

After the last few weeks I don’t think that the left holds the copyright on insanity anymore.

They never did. Quite frankly, there have always been nuts on the “right” and the “left”. Unfortunately, the nuts tend to be the most vocal people.

21 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:43:14am

This all makes me sad. Hey and on a similar note, How about them Yanks?

22 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:43:56am

Incoming hate mail from clowns in 9, 8, …

23 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:44:05am

Kenya (W) and Ethiopia (M) win the Boston marathon.

24 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:44:24am

How on earth does Michael Savage have standing to sue?

25 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #21 Nevergiveup

This all makes me sad. Hey and on a similar note, How about them Yanks?

Gerardi better get them on track, or he will be gone.

26 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:44:32am

I do hope that the District Court slaps them with Rule 11(b) sanctions for this frivolous time-waster of a lawsuit.

27 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:00am

Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, tonight in…….

THUNDERDOME!

28 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:27am

Just another attempt by an “entertainer’ to be relevent

29 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

They never did. Quite frankly, there have always been nuts on the “right” and the “left”. Unfortunately, the nuts tend to be the most vocal people.

I do have to say it seems as though, for the most part, the tea parties turned out to be mostly ass-clown free. OTOH I was listening to a local Saturday talk radio that is usually OK, and the host started talking about the Bilderburgers and i had to turn it off.

30 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, tonight in…….

THUNDERDOME!

Two Clowns enter, One Clown leaves….

31 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:48am

When your first plaintiff is Michael Savage, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

I can’t wait to hear what Mark Levin would have to say about this.

32 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:45:50am
33 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:46:07am

re: #30 Thanos

Two Clowns enter, One Clown leaves….

Not if they’re using one of those cars …

34 MJ  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:46:20am

Remember this stunt?

Radio host drops lawsuit against Islamic group

(08-14) 18:29 PDT SAN FRANCISCO — Conservative talk show host Michael Savage has changed his mind and is reluctantly dropping his lawsuit against an Islamic rights group that launched an advertisers’ boycott after he attacked Islam and the Quran on the air, his lawyer said Thursday….


sfgate.com

35 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:46:38am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, tonight in…….

THUNDERDOME!

All noise and fury signifying nothing……

36 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:46:43am

Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

(Join Jeff Stein for a live online chat at 3:30 p.m. today about his story, or submit a question for Jeff.)

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

cqpolitics.com

Hum?

37 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:10am

OMG! (from the PDF)

“Consequently, ‘disgruntled military veterans’ are considered dangerous [by the Administration] and a threat to national security.”

SHIT! Does this blanket statement mean I can’t bitch about the way my PC’s software just screwed up?!?

/oh hell, yeah, I probably ought to

38 coquimbojoe  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #30 Thanos

Two Clowns enter, One Clown leaves….

I hope Beck wins that one. He can be over the top, but he does seem to do a lot of research to arrive at his ideas. Savage just talks out of his ass.

39 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:23am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, tonight in…….

THUNDERDOME!

Throw in Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews, and you have a couple of tag teams.

40 VioletTiger  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:45am

At least now I see the reason for releasing or leaking, however it went down. It’s bringing the nuts out of the woodwork.
Just grand.

41 j_maloney  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:51am

The PDF of the complaint redacts some text after Savage’s name. This happens several times throughout the document.

What could this text possibly be?

Isn’t a court filing such as this a public document?

42 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:47:59am
43 VioletTiger  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:48:17am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, tonight in…….

THUNDERDOME!

More like BLUNDERDOME.

44 CIA Reject  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:48:24am

re: #36 Nevergiveup

“Hum” indeed …

45 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:48:38am

re: #39 Honorary Yooper

Throw in Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews, and you have a couple of tag teams.

What has happend to wrestling these days? When I was young, you had guys like “The Crusher.” Now, you have guys like “The Tingler …”

46 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:48:52am

re: #39 Honorary Yooper

Throw in Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews, and you have a couple of tag teams.

Dear Mr. Yooper:

Chris can’t play in your “Thunderdome”. He tripped and injured his leg, causing a serious tingling.

Sincerely,
Chris’ Mom

47 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:49:11am

re: #40 VioletTiger

At least now I see the reason for releasing or leaking, however it went down. It’s bringing the nuts out of the woodwork.
Just grand.

Hence why I think there are two reasons why it got leaked:

1. A “right-winger” leaked it to rouse his/her buddies and get support.
2. A “left-winger” leaked it to rouse the “right” and discredit them.

Either way, it worked.

48 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #7 jaunte

The complaint’s Plaintiff list includes a promotional blurb for Michael Savage’s radio program.

I saw that, but why the odd mention of Michigan?

49 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #44 CIA Reject

“Hum” indeed …

And notice how much play it is getting?

50 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:49:34am
51 MJ  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:50:02am

re: #36 Nevergiveup

Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

(Join Jeff Stein for a live online chat at 3:30 p.m. today about his story, or submit a question for Jeff.)

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

[Link: www.cqpolitics.com…]

Hum?

Why the Harman leaks smell to high heaven
By Ron Kampeas · April 20, 2009


I just posted a brief picking up this CQ Politics story by Jeff Stein, re-raising allegations that U.S. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) attempted to intervene on behalf of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, the two former AIPAC staffers charged with leaking U.S. secrets to Israeli diplomats, media and their colleagues.

There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash - and the story’s major news is not about her alleged misdeeds, but that the National Security Agency was listening in on her call, and that the CIA boss wanted to get a tap on her.

Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is suspect, and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case….

blogs.jta.org

Sorry, but this looks to be another FBI inspired pogrom against Jews….

52 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:50:29am

So savage is suing on behalf of the constitutional right to be a right wing extremist?

53 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:50:54am

re: #39 Honorary Yooper

Throw in Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews, and you have a couple of tag teams.

Great, now I’m picturing Keith giving Chris a piggieback ride while Chris keeps saying “Tingle Blaster runs Barter Town”

54 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:51:07am

re: #40 VioletTiger

At least now I see the reason for releasing or leaking, however it went down. It’s bringing the nuts out of the woodwork.
Just grand.

They would have rolled out anyway. It’s a non election year, the serious Republican leadership is pretty much flying low under the radar right now. They sense a power vacuum, and two people who traditionally kept them from going off the deep end are now dead.

William F. Buckley kept the Birchers on the sidelines, and their long time coach and supporter, Paul Weyrich, isn’t there to keep the clown masks off their public face now.

55 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

Hence why I think there are two reasons why it got leaked:

1. A “right-winger” leaked it to rouse his/her buddies and get support.
2. A “left-winger” leaked it to rouse the “right” and discredit them.

Either way, it worked.

I’m going with #2. In fact, I am not ruling out the possibility it was leaked by someone in the O administration, possibly even the WH itself. Leaking it to Alex Jones would be the perfect way to deflect suspicion from themselves and get the craziest of the crazies riled up.

56 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #51 MJ

Why the Harman leaks smell to high heaven
By Ron Kampeas · April 20, 2009

I just posted a brief picking up this CQ Politics story by Jeff Stein, re-raising allegations that U.S. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) attempted to intervene on behalf of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, the two former AIPAC staffers charged with leaking U.S. secrets to Israeli diplomats, media and their colleagues.

There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash - and the story’s major news is not about her alleged misdeeds, but that the National Security Agency was listening in on her call, and that the CIA boss wanted to get a tap on her.

Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is suspect, and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case….

[Link: blogs.jta.org…]

Sorry, but this looks to be another FBI inspired pogrom against Jews….

Good to know that

57 CIA Reject  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #49 Nevergiveup

And notice how much play it is getting?

Actually, it’s probably getting about as much as it deserves - the thing is that the current “issue” here also deserves about as much play …

58 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:52:38am
59 Athos  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:52:51am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, now I’m picturing Keith giving Chris a piggieback ride while Chris keeps saying “Tingle Blaster runs Barter Town”

[Reaching for the brain bleach…..]

60 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:10am

re: #52 Shug

So savage is suing on behalf of the constitutional right to be a right wing extremist?

/his right to “gainful employment” ?

61 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:13am

re: #51 MJ

Kampeas sounds like the mirror image of the anti-Semites who blame everything on the Jews.

62 Racer X  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:23am

Conspiracy! Fascism! Secret Government agencies destroying our rights!
- The Left Right

What the hell is happening?

63 FrogMarch  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:41am

what a waste of time and resources.

64 CIA Reject  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:49am

Work - BBL

65 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:53am

re: #62 Racer X

Conspiracy! Fascism! Secret Government agencies destroying our rights!
- The Left Right

What the hell is happening?

ODS.

66 bosforus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:53:59am

Come on, Savage, save your lawsuits for CAIR.

67 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:54:34am

re: #59 Athos

[Reaching for the brain bleach…..]

Meanwhile, Greta van Sustren in chain mail and Bill O’reilly with a shaved head and bare chest plan their downfall by finding a free agent just come in from the media wasteland.

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:54:40am

(re the PDF)

Under “First Claim for Relief”, page 12 …
How can I edit the PDF so Item 53 suggests the prompt use of a Fleet Enema product?

/don’t bother

69 MJ  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:54:46am

Obama to fund Hamas? Sure looks like it’s heading in that direction:

Obama seeks aid for Palestinian unity government

The Obama Administration is seeking subtle changes in Congressional restrictions banning aid that might reach Hamas. While the prohibition on direct aid to Hamas (in P.L. 110-161) would remain in place, a Palestinian “unity government” that included Hamas could receive aid “if that government were to accept and comply with the Quartet principles,” according to a spokesman for the National Security Council. Rep. Nita M. Lowey , D-N.Y., heads the House Appropriations subcommittee on foreign operations, which oversees the legislation. Secretary Clinton said “We have worked with the Palestinian Authority to install safeguards that will ensure our funding is only used where and for whom it is intended and does not end up in the wrong hands,” but critics believe that these safeguards are already eroding and could fail altogether if Fatah agrees to bring Hamas into a unity governement.

meforum.org

70 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:55:22am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

Kenya (W) and Ethiopia (M) win the Boston marathon.

Red Sox up 3-1 in the bottom of the 6th. Bruins/Habs later today.

71 Pastorius  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:55:26am

The Thomas More Law Center also sued AIG for promoting Sharia Finance with money given them by the U.S. government:

ANN ARBOR, MI – The Thomas More Law Center, a national, public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, responded yesterday to a motion to dismiss its federal lawsuit challenging the AIG bailout. The request to dismiss was filed by the Obama administration’s Department of Justice on behalf of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and the Federal Reserve Board.

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, commented, “Although widespread public anger has rightfully focused on bonuses AIG paid to top executives using taxpayers’ money, that anger would be at an even higher pitch if the public knew that our tax dollars were being used by AIG to promote Islam and Shariah law, which provides support for terrorist activities aimed at killing Americans and destroying America.”

One of the primary comonents of Sharia Finance is Zakat, which is the stipulation that anywhere between 2-20% of any financial transaction (depending upon whether it is Muslim money, or the money of an Infidel) ought to go to Islamic charity.

The Holy Land Foundation Trial, and other news, ought to make us aware of the fact that many Islamic charities are fronts for the support of Jihad against the West.

You may not agree with everything the Thomas More Law Center does, but what other law center would have had the smarts and the guts to go against Sharia Finance in this manner?

My hats off to them for that action.

We ought not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

We need to keep in mind that sometimes good stuff comes from people whose views we do not much care for.

72 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #70 Fenway_Nation

Red Sox up 3-1 in the bottom of the 6th. Bruins/Habs later today.

Pitching?

73 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:56:41am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*Barf* That was an image I did not want to even think about.

74 MJ  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:56:42am

re: #61 doppelganglander

Kampeas sounds like the mirror image of the anti-Semites who blame everything on the Jews.

Not really. He’s probably the best reporter working now on issues related to Jews and Israel.

75 looking closely  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:57:10am

With due respect, given the history of American litigation, its a little bit hyperbolic to call this “the silliest lawsuit in American history.”

I do agree that its a bogus publicity seeking suit, though.

As to the villified DHS report, I have to disagree also.

It doesn’t take a particularly critical eye to see that its a turd comprised largely of undocumented speculation. While its possible that the report isn’t ENTIRELY a partisan hit job against rightwing political opposition…it certainly has that appearance, and you’d like to hope that the DHS could put something out a little bit (or actually a LOT) more professional.

76 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:57:43am

OT … The history of everything
Scientific vs. religious approach. (humorous IMHO)

eatliver.com

77 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:57:50am

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Pitching?

DelCarmen….

Masterson had the start.

78 bosforus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:57:53am

In other, likely more significant news, Stephen Hawking is in the hospital.

79 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:57:59am
80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:58:27am

(re the PDF)

Page 14 … ” Prayer for Relief “

AMEN to that!
I need brain bleach!

81 alegrias  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:58:57am

Meanwhile, Congress returns to work this week, and Rahm Emanuel has again labeled Republicans and those who disagree with democrats Pelosi/Reid/Obama agenda as the party of NO, NEVER and NO NEW IDEAS.

Who here wants that label to stick?


PS, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska has declined Obama’s offer to be US Ambassador to China.

per the WashingtonExaminer, VA version of today.

82 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:59:15am

re: #75 looking closely

Didn’t the White House come right out and say that they were going to politicize the Census? If so, why would politicizing the DHS be completely beyond the pale?

/just sayin’

83 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:00:20am

Charles,

This certainly is far from the most ridiculous lawsuit ever filed. I have to go back and check, but there was one lawsuit that involved hundreds of defendants including Presidents Bush, Clinton, Zionists, FBI, the guy on the corner and the van down by the river, and the Joos (just for good measure).

84 Timbre  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #41 j_maloney

The PDF of the complaint redacts some text after Savage’s name. This happens several times throughout the document.

What could this text possibly be?

Isn’t a court filing such as this a public document?

I can see “AKA Michael” through the black. It’s probably his real last name.

85 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

*Barf* That was an image I did not want to even think about.

So I’m guessing my planned remake of Caligula using George Soros, Barney Frank, Helen Thomas, and Hillary Clinton wont be going quite as well as I was hoping for.

Shit, now I’m gonna be stuck with a dozen 50gal drums of olive oil I had stocked away for the orgy scene.

86 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:02:24am

re: #84 Timbre

Weiner?

87 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #76 PISSED

OT … The history of everything
Scientific vs. religious approach. (humorous IMHO)

[Link: www.eatliver.com…]

That is terrific, will give it a place of honor in my links. LOL

88 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:02:51am

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So I’m guessing my planned remake of Caligula using George Soros, Barney Frank, Helen Thomas, and Hillary Clinton wont be going quite as well as I was hoping for.

Shit, now I’m gonna be stuck with a dozen 50gal drums of olive oil I had stocked away for the orgy scene.

Start up and olive oil importing business with it, and name the business “Genco”

89 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:02:58am
90 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:03:00am

Speaking of wrestling, if anyone wants to make some money and “wager” on the outcome of tonights WWE package, i’ll know within a few hours. They’re over in Europe right now and tonights “live” show will be happening soon. I’m taking it in off pf satellite and sending it to WWE in Conn. for broadcast tonight

shhhhhhhhhhhh!

91 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #37 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG! (from the PDF)

“Consequently, ‘disgruntled military veterans’ are considered dangerous [by the Administration] and a threat to national security.”

SHIT! Does this blanket statement mean I can’t bitch about the way my PC’s software just screwed up?!?

/oh hell, yeah, I probably ought to

I am a proudly gruntled military veteran………

92 alegrias  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:04:06am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

Didn’t the White House come right out and say that they were going to politicize the Census? If so, why would politicizing the DHS be completely beyond the pale?

/just sayin’

* * * *
Silly Wabbit,

The White House did NOT say it was going to POLITICIZE the census.

They were going to CHANGE it, improve it, progressivize it, make it more accurate, using changed statistical methods than the ones inherited from previous administrations.

And if 20 million non-citizens are included in the US census, what’s it to ya? Picky picky picky.

////

93 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:04:07am

The insanity just keeps escalating.

Northeast Intelligence Network » FBI spied on TEA Party Americans.

94 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:04:21am

Say hello to the Jack Thompson of Politics… just what we need.

*sighs*

95 Athos  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m right there with Honorary Yooper

Please not in the morning……save it for the FNDT.

96 saberry0530  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:04:57am

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So I’m guessing my planned remake of Caligula using George Soros, Barney Frank, Helen Thomas, and Hillary Clinton wont be going quite as well as I was hoping for.

Shit, now I’m gonna be stuck with a dozen 50gal drums of olive oil I had stocked away for the orgy scene.

Obviously not “Extra Virgin” olive oil…..

97 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:05:13am
98 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:05:36am

re: #96 saberry0530

Obviously not “Extra Virgin” olive oil…..

Extra sullied olive oil, to be sure.

99 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:05:54am

re: #96 saberry0530

Obviously not “Extra Virgin” olive oil…..

No, I took care of the extra virgin myself…

100 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:06:50am

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

It wasn’t spying; it was just a little pekoe.

It could still get them in hot water.

101 jvic  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:07:07am

So they’re complaining about profiling? smirk
************
The Flag Desecration Amendment. Federalization of Schiavo. “Life.”

All these involve serious and legitimate issues (as does the monitoring of extremist groups), but they haven’t been treated seriously by the Rovian right. They’ve been used as Pavlovian stimuli.

The voters have seen through it. It’s the master manipulators who remain conditioned to repeating unsuccessful behavior. Serves them right.

102 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #55 doppelganglander

I’m going with #2. In fact, I am not ruling out the possibility it was leaked by someone in the O administration, possibly even the WH itself. Leaking it to Alex Jones would be the perfect way to deflect suspicion from themselves and get the craziest of the crazies riled up.

Having been on the receiving end of such political black arts for 12 years, I’d go with #2 as well.
Why? Because it looks, from this side of the Big Pond, like a brilliant ploy to have everybody tear into each other, and utterly disregard such niggling little issues as the economy and how its being handled …

Watch out for some truly bad news being hidden away in some MFM footnotes - thats how these things are meant to work.

103 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:08am
104 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:30am

re: #100 wrenchwench

It could still get them in hot water.

One things for certain, this tempest in a tea pot sure has some at a rolling boil.

105 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:31am
106 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:48am
107 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:53am

re: #103 MandyManners

No more tea-bagging jokes!

That’s a steep request.

/sorry

108 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:08:55am

re: #93 Charles

The insanity just keeps escalating.

Northeast Intelligence Network » FBI spied on TEA Party Americans.

Oh, crap. I can already hear it: “That black, commie, non-American usurper and his legions of evil minions are all out to get me!”

The press must be loving this. It must be like being on a paid vacation for them.

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:09:00am

re: #91 LGoPs

I am a proudly gruntled military veteran………

I was never “gruntled”.
I went into the Navy.

/ducking, just in case

110 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:09:14am

OT
I just received Dublin(CA) Dude’s real name from realwest - Dublin Dude was a great guy and I’m pleased to donate to Cancer Research at the Ameican Cancer Society in his name. If you wish to contribute please contact REALWEST and he will send you Dublins actual name to put on the donation

We now return you to your regularly scheduled paranoia!

//

111 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:09:17am

BTW, the last time I listened to Weiner Savage, I was thinking that maybe I was too hasty in dismissing his show as unlistenable before tuning in….

When he wasn’t plugging one of his books, he called the Georgian president, Saakashvili, Bush’s puppet and said Georgia had what was coming to it for antagonizing Russia…..

curiously conveniently, he cited a NYT article

112 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #103 MandyManners

No more tea-bagging jokes!

Okay, I’ll turn over a new leaf.

113 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:09:52am

Still waiting for Dover to be consumed by fireballs from Heaven, or whatever the hell Pat Robertson said would happen since they dared not teach Creationism.

114 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:10:20am

re: #109 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was never “gruntled”.
I went into the Navy.

/ducking, just in case

I was never issued a gruntle to begin with. How could I be dis-druntled if I never got a gruntle? Or did I miss out?

115 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:11:19am

Jay-zus! Stand up triple for David Ortiz….

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:11:52am

re: #96 saberry0530

Obviously not “Extra Virgin” olive oil…..

For some reason “whore” never really took off as a class of olive oil.

117 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:11:56am

Are there any repercussions for filing a frivolous lawsuit?

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:12:16am

re: #93 Charles

The insanity just keeps escalating.

Northeast Intelligence Network » FBI spied on TEA Party Americans.

“According to this unimpeachable source…”

Oh yeah, I’m sure he is!
*spit*

119 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:12:57am

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

It wasn’t spying; it was just a little pekoe.

*groan*

120 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #117 KenJen

Are there any repercussions for filing a frivolous lawsuit?

I wish. It might stop some of the asinie ones we’ve see in the past. Anyone remember the McDonald’s coffee incident?

121 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:13:38am

This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from political talk radio. Its not about the issues, its one giant wank-fest for the host. Talk Radio is pro wrestling, its fake, its staged and its entertainment. But that is all, by and large the hosts are idiots, unschooled former DJ’s, idiot sons of presidents, failed politicians, herbalists and the like.

When people start taking these guys seeriously, and start parroting what they say, its too late. Dr. Weiner is one of the worst of the worst, a screaming showman who whips up the ignorant. At least he has a degree, others out there would be selling shoes if it wasn’t for the quality of their speaking voice.

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:14:02am

re: #103 MandyManners

No more tea-bagging jokes!

Okay.
We’ll be back in an instant.

123 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:14:17am

re: #120 Honorary Yooper

I wish. It might stop some of the asinie ones we’ve see in the past. Anyone remember the McDonald’s coffee incident?

Asinine ,,, yes ,,, but also very lucrative for the plaintif, to my dismay

124 subsailor68  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:14:41am

re: #96 saberry0530

Obviously not “Extra Virgin” olive oil…..

Well, if ya drop the “tra” and insert a hyphen, it works okay.

;-)

125 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #121 Egregious Philbin

hence my #28

126 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay.
We’ll be back in an instant.

Just trying to brew up more trouble aren’t you?

127 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #126 jcm

Just trying to brew up more trouble aren’t you?

Oooo… long in the pun thread, I see.

128 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:16:25am

re: #114 jcm

I was never issued a gruntle to begin with. How could I be dis-druntled if I never got a gruntle? Or did I miss out?

We need a program to re-gruntle the disgruntled.

129 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:16:54am

these attorneys need to be sanctioned or worse, this is completely frivalous

130 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:16:56am

The Washington Post reports:
President Obama plans to convene his Cabinet for the first time today, and he will order its members to identify a combined $100 million in budget cuts over the next 90 days, according to a senior administration official….Earlier this month, both chambers of Congress passed Obama’s $3.5 trillion budget outline for 2010, which includes unprecedented new investments in health care, education and energy. But the huge budget, which contemplates a $1.2 trillion deficit, has drawn the ire of small-government conservatives, who say that such high deficits jeopardize the nation’s economic future.
Just to be clear: $100 million represents .003 percent of $3.5 trillion.

To put those numbers in perspective, imagine that the head of a household with annual spending of $100,000 called everyone in the family together to deal with a $34,000 budget shortfall. How much would he or she announce that spending had be cut? By $3 over the course of the year—approximately the cost of one latte at Starbucks. The other $33,997? We can put that on the family credit card and worry about it next year.

Coffee anyone?

131 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:17:40am

re: #114 jcm

I was never issued a gruntle to begin with. How could I be dis-druntled if I never got a gruntle? Or did I miss out?

My standard greeting to people who ask me how I am is “I’m very gruntled, thank you”. It’s amusing to see the reaction sometimes. People’s eyes dart around looking for cover….and then I say “No, gruntled is a good thing”

I also often tell people that they are looking very “kempt and sheveled”

I don’t have much of a life…….

132 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:18:39am

re: #127 MrSilverDragon

Oooo… long in the pun thread, I see.

Steep ginger ly, it’s a touchy subject.

133 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:18:56am

re: #93 Charles

The insanity just keeps escalating.

Northeast Intelligence Network » FBI spied on TEA Party Americans.

Aren’t those the guys who’ve been warning about an imminent catastrophic terrorist attack on the US for, oh, about four years now?

134 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #129 spacejesus

these attorneys need to be sanctioned or worse, this is completely frivalous

Oh my God, I agree with a Space Jesus comment. Is the world gonna end, or is it just “stopped clock, twice a day”?

135 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:19:12am

re: #130 Nevergiveup

And the MSM will be lauding Obama for his forceful mandate that all dept’s reing in spending

136 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:19:44am

20:10 Peres: Durban II constitutes an acceptance of racism (Haaretz)

As usual Peres your wrong.
Remember:
1) Zionism equals racism?
2) Durban 1

Same old Same old.

137 alegrias  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:19:47am

OT
Meanwhile, in the squeaker contested New York 10th Congressional seat election, between Tedisco & Murphy similar to the Franken/Coleman fiasco, the Dem Murphy keeps getting more votes…

Where were the (R) voters when their VOTES were needed? All the nattering after the fact is wasted energy when people have ELECTIONS in which to make a difference but stand down instead of standing up.

138 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:19:53am

re: #132 jcm

Steep ginger ly, it’s a touchy subject.

It’s humor at its pu-erhest form.

139 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

Oh my God, I agree with a Space Jesus comment. Is the world gonna end, or is it just “stopped clock, twice a day”?

Some think he’s been running around in my clothes.

140 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:20:12am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

Oh my God, I agree with a Space Jesus comment. Is the world gonna end, or is it just “stopped clock, twice a day”?

No worries. It only means it’s next comment will be so egregious you’re eyes will bleed!

141 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:20:47am

re: #131 LGoPs

My standard greeting to people who ask me how I am is “I’m very gruntled, thank you”. It’s amusing to see the reaction sometimes. People’s eyes dart around looking for cover….and then I say “No, gruntled is a good thing”

I also often tell people that they are looking very “kempt and sheveled”

I don’t have much of a life…….

LOL! Word play is always entertaining….

142 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

Aren’t those the guys who’ve been warning about an imminent catastrophic terrorist attack on the US for, oh, about four years now?

Yep, that’s them. Several right wing blogs are now linking to their story.

143 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:21:06am

re: #121 Egregious Philbin

This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from political talk radio. Its not about the issues, its one giant wank-fest for the host. Talk Radio is pro wrestling, its fake, its staged and its entertainment. But that is all, by and large the hosts are idiots, unschooled former DJ’s, idiot sons of presidents, failed politicians, herbalists and the like.

When people start taking these guys seeriously, and start parroting what they say, its too late. Dr. Weiner is one of the worst of the worst, a screaming showman who whips up the ignorant. At least he has a degree, others out there would be selling shoes if it wasn’t for the quality of their speaking voice.

I find talk radio to be a welcome refuge from the endless drumbeat of the MFM. And while I don’t listen to Savage, I do like and respect Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Mark Levin, Dennis Miller and occasionally even Rush……… There certainly are intelligent and informative people on the radio.

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:21:39am

Checked out the NEIN site:

The FBI was to use the internet to find out when the tea parties were happening.

(That’s why there was an internet site—to get the information out. It wasn’t exactly a secret.)

They were to be aware the tea parties were political demonstations.

(Which, I believe, every person there was fully aware of. It’s why we were there.)

They were to go and conduct surveillance.

(Me, too. We walked all around and took photos.)

So, they were to check the internet for times and dates, be aware that this was a political demonstration, and then go have a look-see?

That describes most of the people there. If you are standing in public demonstrating, it does not violate your rights for people to look at you and take a picture.

I don’t get why this is ominous. Who was pulled in for questioning? Who had disappeared from their home? What actions against the demonstrators are being planned? Who had their rights trampled on? There isn’t even a phone tap mentioned in the article. Sheesh.

145 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #126 jcm

Just trying to brew up more trouble aren’t you?

Just can’t stay out of hot water, can I?!

146 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

Oh my God, I agree with a Space Jesus comment. Is the world gonna end, or is it just “stopped clock, twice a day”?

We need a de-con team stat!
Don’t move Yoop, we’ll have it off you in a second…….

147 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:22:18am

OT Seal rescue and pirate stand-off

Two questions:

1. Has there been a discussion on this board already that included some comments by some Seals involved? I’m sure many on this board have contacts or know relatives of some of the Seals at the scene.

2. Is it acceptable to repeat the story I heard from a couple of Seals who were there? I am affiliated with a company that has a supply contract. The story coming from the scene differs quite a bit from Obama’s “decisive” victory.

148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:22:32am

re: #129 spacejesus

this is completely frivalous

Indeed.

149 Lee Coller  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:22:59am

From fox:

Human Rights Watch and the U.S. African Chamber of Commerce were among the other groups that said the United States and other nations that opted not to attend made the wrong move. They said they regard the summit as a legitimate avenue for addressing racism globally.

That tells us which side they’ve taken. The sane world has all boycotted this conference. These people care nothing about rights.

150 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #149 Lee Coller

U.S. African Chamber of Commerce

huh !?!?!?!?

151 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #147 kay1212

I would like to hear it.

152 Timbre  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:24:00am

O/T: Wouldn’t it be weird if this polo incident became the Dead Horses War between Venezuela and the United States.

153 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:24:08am

re: #147 kay1212

OT Seal rescue and pirate stand-off

Two questions:

1. Has there been a discussion on this board already that included some comments by some Seals involved? I’m sure many on this board have contacts or know relatives of some of the Seals at the scene.

2. Is it acceptable to repeat the story I heard from a couple of Seals who were there? I am affiliated with a company that has a supply contract. The story coming from the scene differs quite a bit from Obama’s “decisive” victory.

It’s your security clearance at stake not ours?

154 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:24:56am

re: #147 kay1212

OT Seal rescue and pirate stand-off

Two questions:

1. Has there been a discussion on this board already that included some comments by some Seals involved? I’m sure many on this board have contacts or know relatives of some of the Seals at the scene.

2. Is it acceptable to repeat the story I heard from a couple of Seals who were there? I am affiliated with a company that has a supply contract. The story coming from the scene differs quite a bit from Obama’s “decisive” victory.

I don’t own the joint, but I’d say:

1. No, there hasn’t been, to my knowlege; and

2. Please feel free, but keep in mind that people are going to take your information with a grain of salt, since we don’t know you.

155 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:24:59am

re: #121 Egregious Philbin

I usually ignore most talk radio. The only show I listen to daily is the local one on WLS-AM from 5am to 9am, Don Wade and Roma. They’re sane and usually fairly well measured. They haven’t gone nuts over the DHS report either. What I like about them is that they have all sorts of local politicians on their show, Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative, Combine, Independent.

156 alegrias  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:25:08am

re: #149 Lee Coller

From fox:

That tells us which side they’ve taken. The sane world has all boycotted this conference. These people care nothing about rights.

* * * *
The conference accommodations ought to be First Class Swiss hospitality—for antisemitic thugs, welcome in Switzerland as always.

157 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

Oh my God, I agree with a Space Jesus comment. Is the world gonna end, or is it just “stopped clock, twice a day”?

I think our little inter-stellar messiah is changing his way of thinking.

158 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:26am

re: #152 Timbre

O/T: Wouldn’t it be weird if this polo incident became the Dead Horses War between Venezuela and the United States.

I will admit that this sentence from the article made me laugh:
Two horses initially collapsed, and as veterinarians and team officials scrambled to revive them, five others became dizzy, Tim O’Connor, spokesman for the polo club, said Sunday.
How did they know the horses were feeling dizzy?

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:27am

re: #71 Pastorius

That story is just completely ridiculous. And it’s promoted by SANE in conjunction with the Thomas More Law Center. If you think those people are credible, you might want to have a look at this article from the SANE website, now deleted after people started noticing its blatant ugly racism, but saved at the Internet Archive:

On Race: A Tentative Discussion, Part II

You’re being played by those people.

160 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:37am
161 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #152 Timbre

O/T: Wouldn’t it be weird if this polo incident became the Dead Horses War between Venezuela and the United States.

Well, wars have started over sillier shit.

162 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #145 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just can’t stay out of hot water, can I?!

Come on in, the more and the longer the stronger we are!

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #157 KenJen

I think our little inter-stellar messiah is changing his way of thinking.

Don’t bet the mortgage payment.

164 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:26:57am

re: #158 Wishing

I will admit that this sentence from the article made me laugh:
Two horses initially collapsed, and as veterinarians and team officials scrambled to revive them, five others became dizzy, Tim O’Connor, spokesman for the polo club, said Sunday.
How did they know the horses were feeling dizzy?

They were staggering around.

165 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #157 KenJen

I think our little inter-stellar messiah is changing his way of thinking.

Messiah? I thought he was Mexcian. I’ve been saying pronouncing it Space-Hey-Zeus the whole time.

166 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:27:25am

If the DHS report is guilty of anything, it is of throwing red meat to the extremists, which will use it to justify (fill in the blank).

And for that reason it was ill considered.

167 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:27:31am

re: #147 kay1212

OT Seal rescue and pirate stand-off

Two questions:

1. Has there been a discussion on this board already that included some comments by some Seals involved? I’m sure many on this board have contacts or know relatives of some of the Seals at the scene.

2. Is it acceptable to repeat the story I heard from a couple of Seals who were there? I am affiliated with a company that has a supply contract. The story coming from the scene differs quite a bit from Obama’s “decisive” victory.

Think about what the Seals that you heard this from would want. It’s one thing to tell “No Shit… There I was” stories, it’s something else entirely to publish them, even as a blog comment.

168 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:27:49am

re: #152 Timbre

O/T: Wouldn’t it be weird if this polo incident became the Dead Horses War between Venezuela and the United States.

We’ve already had a Pig War!

169 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:27:52am

re: #160 Iron Fist

Didn’t we already give the PA a bunch of machineguns that got into the hands of the terrorists? I remember something about that several years ago. Before Arafat croaked.

If we gave them to the PA, then WE gave them to Terrorists!

170 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:28:18am

re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don’t bet the mortgage payment.

I dont have one anymore. Obama is taking it over for me. Isn’t he?

171 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:28:22am

re: #139 Sharmuta

Some think he’s been running around in my clothes.

that’s only on the weekends

172 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #171 SpaceJesus

that’s only on the weekends

OK, but next time- get your own panty hose.

173 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:29:13am

re: #168 jcm

We’ve already had a Pig War!

“Cry Hamhock and unleash the Hogs of War”

174 Caboose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:29:42am

Coming soon to Animal Planet Comedy Central: When Clowns Attack!

Bozo’s Big Bowtie Blitzkreig! Aerial Assault from Above by Battalions of Bulbous Red Rubber Schnozzes! 24/7 Seltzer Water Sphritizes! Clown Carmageddeon! Cousin Cupcake’s Calamities! Ferocious Floppy Footware Pandemonium! Squeaky Bike Horn Horrors!

AND IT’S COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!

Be afraid.

Be very afraid…

175 Athos  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #149 Lee Coller

From fox:

That tells us which side they’ve taken. The sane world has all boycotted this conference. These people care nothing about rights.

Of course they don’t. They have an agenda to implement -and the boycott of so many nations weakens their ability to implement that agenda. These organizations have no challenges to use the attendance of those nations as added justification for their position….The US was there, Canada was there, etc.

They want it any way they can get it - either the participation provides gravitas and the perception of acceptance or the lack of participation provides a hammer with which to kudgle the US and West because they avoided engaging the tyrants and despots.

This has been the MO of the hard left since the days of Duranty. We need to learn to stop playing their game and take the path that remains true to our core values. That is our best defense.

176 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:03am

Oh, this clown attack. I suppose old Michael Savage has his 1st Amendment right and all that — short of yelling fire in a crowded theater. All I can say that if there is one man that is on the cusp of fomenting a pathology it would have to be Mr. Savage.

177 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #168 jcm

We’ve already had a Pig War!

Why would anyone go to war over a pig?

farm4.static.flickr.com

178 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #168 jcm

We’ve already had a Pig War!

The War of Jenkin’s Ear!

179 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:24am

re: #164 Nevergiveup

They were staggering around.

Sorry, I must have missed that.

180 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:30am

re: #171 SpaceJesus

that’s only on the weekends

I think you should knock it off. You just don’t have the legs for it.

181 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:37am

re: #161 Honorary Yooper

Well, wars have started over sillier shit.

The War of Jenkin’s Ear comes to mind……..

182 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:30:56am

re: #177 sattv4u2

Why would anyone go to war over a pig?

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com…]

Pardon me while I wipe the vomit off my shoes… bluh.

183 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #173 LGoPs

“Cry Hamhock and unleash the Hogs of War”

don’t you ever get boared of that…

184 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #173 LGoPs

“Cry Hamhock and unleash the Hogs of War”

LOL! Makes a great trivia question, when was our last war with England?

185 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:07am

re: #162 jcm

Come on in, the more and the longer the stronger we are!

Are you implying we weren’t mint to be sweetened?
/iced that one, didn’t I !

186 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:22am

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

The standoff should have lasted only a few hours, for as long as it took to get the USS Bainbridge and NSWC operators to steam to the location. It became an embarrassing 4 day plus standoff because Obama placed ROE {rules of engagement} restrictions that a peaceful end should be obtained.

When the captain jumped off the lifeboat, the Seals were sighted in but weren’t allowed to fire. When the Navy RIB came under fire, no fire was returned due to Obama’s ROE. This put the Seals in danger. Two rescue plans were shot down by Obama. He only wanted a peaceful resolution. Did say “imminent danger” changed the scenario.

Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead pirates.

187 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:31am

re: #178 Dianna

The War of Jenkin’s Ear!

GMTA….you’re just faster on the draw.
:)

188 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #183 brookly red

don’t you ever get boared of that…

Shoat up.

189 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #181 LGoPs

The War of Jenkin’s Ear comes to mind……..

And don’t forget the Soccer War.

190 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:32:39am

re: #183 brookly red

don’t you ever get boared of that…

That is such a sow blow…….

191 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:32:43am

re: #188 LGoPs

Shoat up.

He’ swining.

192 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #175 Athos

Of course they don’t. They have an agenda to implement -and the boycott of so many nations weakens their ability to implement that agenda. These organizations have no challenges to use the attendance of those nations as added justification for their position….The US was there, Canada was there, etc.

They want it any way they can get it - either the participation provides gravitas and the perception of acceptance or the lack of participation provides a hammer with which to kudgle the US and West because they avoided engaging the tyrants and despots.

This has been the MO of the hard left since the days of Duranty. We need to learn to stop playing their game and take the path that remains true to our core values. That is our best defense.

It didn’t help their cause when Iran’s chimp president got heckled and pelted when he delivered his overtly racist speech.

It certainly did make the point, though, for anyone who managed to miss it.

193 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #191 wrenchwench

He’ swining.

Bacon your pardon…no he is not.

194 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

And don’t forget the Soccer War.

I prefer Soccer Moms

(v.beckham)Image: vbeckham.jpg

195 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:34:21am

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you implying we weren’t mint to be sweetened?
/iced that one, didn’t I !

Nope, we’re bitter with a taste that clings to the tongue, no sweeteners allowed.

196 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #191 wrenchwench

He’ swining.

He’s just being a ham.

197 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #184 jcm

LOL! Makes a great trivia question, when was our last war with England?

1812…..over some Jenkins fellow’s ear………
:)

198 DaddyG  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:34:46am

What we really need to do is cast off the luntic fringe on both sides of the political spectrum and band the true conservatives that are left into a conherent and unified voice.

It shouldn’t be too difficullt to coordinate this among the 42 of us that are left.

//

199 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #193 LGoPs

Bacon your pardon…no he is not.

I have a witness. I’ll trotter out.

200 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:35:13am

re: #196 MrSilverDragon

He’s just being a ham.

So why the white knuckles?

201 J.D.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:35:38am

re: #198 DaddyG

What we really need to do is cast off the luntic fringe on both sides of the political spectrum and band the true conservatives that are left into a conherent and unified voice.

It shouldn’t be too difficullt to coordinate this among the 42 of us that are left.

//

40 more.

202 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #197 LGoPs

1812…..over some Jenkins fellow’s ear………
:)

The Wikipedia article says 1739-42, between Britain and Spain.

203 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:11am

re: #200 Wishing

Let’s change the subject. Any news on Stephen Hocking? I heard he is ill.

204 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #200 Wishing

So why the white knuckles?

Dunno, it’s all ad hock anyways.

205 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:33am

Latest Missouri close to christening
The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Apr 20, 2009 10:55:03 EDT
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A new naval vessel named the USS Missouri will hit the open waters soon.

The $2 billion nuclear-powered attack submarine is being welded together in Groton, Conn. It will be christened later this year. The Navy says it will be the most advanced submarine in the world.

Missouri Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton says, “All Missourians can take pride that a namesake to the ‘Mighty Mo’ will soon be joining the Navy’s fleet, this time in the silent service.”

Skelton is chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Also, his father shoveled coal on the second USS Missouri, a World War I-era battleship.

This will be the fifth USS Missouri. The first was a Confederate side-wheeler in the Civil War.

206 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:45am

re: #186 kay1212

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

With respect, that’s not a surprising story. We’d guessed that was what was going on, after we read the news of Phillips’ foiled escape. JCM was the first to nail it in a comment, and others of us piled on.

207 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:47am

re: #196 MrSilverDragon

Don’t make him the butt of your jokes.

208 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #186 kay1212

Thanks for that info… I doubt we will wver know all the details,or at least it will take a looong time for them to come out.

209 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #199 wrenchwench

I have a witness. I’ll trotter out.

I’ll root for you…..

210 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:37:15am

re: #206 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

With respect, that’s not a surprising story. We’d guessed that was what was going on, after we read the news of Phillips’ foiled escape. JCM was the first to nail it in a comment, and others of us piled on.

SHIT!
PIMF … forgot to quote

211 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:37:57am

Can you believe people eat pickled pigs feet? Kroger sells them in big jugs right next to the pickled hard boiled eggs. I try to avoid that isle altogether.

212 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #202 doppelganglander

I always suspected England had an aural fixation.

213 Racer X  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:28am

re: #186 kay1212

Same story here.

214 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #203 calcajun

Let’s change the subject. Any news on Stephen Hocking? I heard he is ill.

I heard that he had a *chest infection* and was quite ill as well.
I sure hope he can pull through this.
I haven’t heard any more detail than that.

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #204 MrSilverDragon

Dunno, it’s all ad hock anyways.

Good one!

216 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:50am

re: #207 calcajun

Don’t make him the butt of your jokes.

It’s not like I’m gonna whip out any blades or anything.

217 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:38:51am

re: #202 doppelganglander

The Wikipedia article says 1739-42, between Britain and Spain.

Good point. My google is working slow so I went with my muddled memory. The War of 1812 I believe had a lot to do with the Royal Navy’s impressment of American sailors……IIRC

218 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:39:05am

re: #198 DaddyG

This is the issue I have been getting pounded over of late.
Under the US Constitution, we have freedom of speech and of association.
Therefore, any talk of “throwing (fill in the blank with your undesirables) out of the (demonstration, protest, political party, etc.) is hooey. You simply can’t do it without becoming a petty tyrant, the very thing which we abhor.
I grow weary of reminding certain individuals of that salient fact.

All you can hope to do is to enlighten them.

219 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:39:43am

The talk here in NYC on sports talk radio is why (pitching aside) balls are flying out of the New Yankee Stadium especially to right.

220 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:39:43am

re: #212 calcajun

I always suspected England had an aural fixation.

‘Ear, ‘ear!

221 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:39:55am

re: #206 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

With respect, that’s not a surprising story. We’d guessed that was what was going on, after we read the news of Phillips’ foiled escape. JCM was the first to nail it in a comment, and others of us piled on.

Yeah, I thought so.

I omitted a lot of detail. The Seals are pissed because of the credit taken. They were extremely frustrated.

I knew the LGF team would have figured it out on their own. It was nice [?] to hear the confirmation though that Obama hadn’t suddenly changed his stripes. He’s a peacenik, at all costs.

222 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:40:01am

re: #209 LGoPs

I’ll root for you…..

..after you gird up your loins?

223 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:40:19am

re: #186 kay1212

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

The standoff should have lasted only a few hours, for as long as it took to get the USS Bainbridge and NSWC operators to steam to the location. It became an embarrassing 4 day plus standoff because Obama placed ROE {rules of engagement} restrictions that a peaceful end should be obtained.

When the captain jumped off the lifeboat, the Seals were sighted in but weren’t allowed to fire. When the Navy RIB came under fire, no fire was returned due to Obama’s ROE. This put the Seals in danger. Two rescue plans were shot down by Obama. He only wanted a peaceful resolution. Did say “imminent danger” changed the scenario.

Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead pirates.

Gee, this is fascinating.

Because another poster (Scorch?) put exactly this same story up, right down the wording, yesterday, and claimed he had received it in a private email whose source he couldn’t reveal, in response to a similar post by yet another poster the day before that was challenged because the source was a rabid nutter’s website.

Where, exactly, did you copy-and-paste this from? And why are you claiming to have heard it first hand?

This sort of subterfuge does no one any good at all, except for the Lucky Leftard who gets to expose it to the world as a complete fabrication. Not a good plan.

224 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:40:29am

re: #216 MrSilverDragon

It’s not like I’m gonna whip out any blades or anything.

You never loin, dos you?

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:41:16am

re: #212 calcajun

I always suspected England had an aural fixation.

The Brits said “blimey!” once too often.
/aural was all they had left after that

226 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #217 LGoPs

Good point. My google is working slow so I went with my muddled memory. The War of 1812 I believe had a lot to do with the Royal Navy’s impressment of American sailors……IIRC

I believe that’s right. From memory as well — Britain was involved in the wars against Napoleon and was kidnapping American sailors to serve in the Royal Navy. I guess it slipped their mind that we were an independent nation by that point.

227 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:41:35am

How embarrassing.

There has never been a successful lawsuit to get a law enforcement body to take action against a group ever and, for very good reason, there has never been a successful civil intervention in an ongoing criminal investigation.

The time and place to deal with these things in our law is clear- elect officials to properly oversee the administration of justice and, as necessary, politicize trials to defang overzealous or unjust prosecutions.

I think it is far more worthwhile to catalog Comrade Obama’s wholesale dismantlement of our post-911 security strategies. I watched the Clinton administration roll over and let al Qaeda and like minded groups dance into our country (Ayman Zawahiri is alleged to have paid America a visit in the 90s). As before, we are dismantling our defenses and will regret this later. I am keeping my list: relaxed immigration standards, rules changes at INS, release of classified terror memos the ordered release of dangerous enemies because Obamanauts say so.

All of these acts will eventually result in US casualties and when that happens, I intend to remind people of who did what and when to endanger Americans. Eventually, people will get the idea that Democrats’ national security policies endanger us. Obama is utterly incompetent on matters of national security. Mr. Bin Laden does not confide his personal plans to me but he cannot but be overjoyed that his job has been made easier. Meanwhile, the keystone cops at DHS are busy looking for non-existent threats from our vets while they turn a blind eye to visitors from Pakistan who are clear and present dangers.

228 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:41:51am

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Balls to the right? It’s a sign! It’s a sign!

229 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:42:47am

re: #228 calcajun

Balls to the right? It’s a sign! It’s a sign!

((dare I say))) ,,,, pussies to the left !

/// duckin!

230 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:43:08am

re: #213 Racer X

Same story here.

Wow, that’s the same story. So someone is talking, it was bound to get out. Still light on the details but the essence is that the Seals were sort of disgusted that the US didn’t show they could take care of this matter in about 90 seconds.

231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:45:50am

re: #226 doppelganglander

I believe that’s right. From memory as well — Britain was involved in the wars against Napoleon and was kidnapping American sailors to serve in the Royal Navy. I guess it slipped their mind that we were an independent nation by that point.

That’s why it is often called the Second War of Independence.

232 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:46:24am

re: #230 kay1212

Wow, that’s the same story. So someone is talking, it was bound to get out. Still light on the details but the essence is that the Seals were sort of disgusted that the US didn’t show they could take care of this matter in about 90 seconds.

It is the second “insider” report I’ve heard that says essentially the same thing. And goes along with the speculation at Phillips first escape attempt.

233 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #213 Racer X

Same story here.

Except that a lot of the comments take issue with the veracity of the report.

234 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:48:36am

re: #223 SixDegrees

Gee, this is fascinating.

Because another poster (Scorch?) put exactly this same story up, right down the wording, yesterday, and claimed he had received it in a private email whose source he couldn’t reveal, in response to a similar post by yet another poster the day before that was challenged because the source was a rabid nutter’s website.

Where, exactly, did you copy-and-paste this from? And why are you claiming to have heard it first hand?

This sort of subterfuge does no one any good at all, except for the Lucky Leftard who gets to expose it to the world as a complete fabrication. Not a good plan.

Well, I can only say that the story is the same but I definitely did hear the story and more details. So it looks like someone wants the story out. I’d love to tell you who, what and when but I can’t. There are many suppliers to the Seals and lots of individuals come into contact with them, by phone, e mail and in person. {I’m not worried that a Lucky Leftard can shoot the story down because the story is very consistent. Obama wanted a peaceful resolution and someone else finally decided to take action and determined the “imminent danger” and settled the stand-off.}

235 J.D.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:48:39am

re: #232 jcm

It is the second “insider” report I’ve heard that says essentially the same thing. And goes along with the speculation at Phillips first escape attempt.

The e-mail I received said

This information is provided by PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, as a service to members of the Military and Air Defense Community with the purpose of offering relevant and timely information on (open source) defense, aviation, emergency, law enforcement and terrorism issues. Posts may be forwarded to other individuals, organizations and lists for non-commercial purposes.


When you google PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, you get nothing.

236 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:48:42am

re: #221 kay1212

Yeah, I thought so.

I omitted a lot of detail. The Seals are pissed because of the credit taken. They were extremely frustrated.

I knew the LGF team would have figured it out on their own. It was nice [?] to hear the confirmation though that Obama hadn’t suddenly changed his stripes. He’s a peacenik, at all costs.

While I’m glad that the CinC finally gave them leeway to act, and give credit to Obama for that …

… IMHO, Obama seems (seems) to have done so only after Phillips’ abortive escape, and when Obama probably realized that his own ass would be in a wringer if Phillips died because the Navy’s hands were tied. Obama gave the Navy the minimum leeway (IMHO, just enough to be able to give himself wiggle room in the event of a negative outcome.)

237 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:49:18am

re: #213 Racer X

Same story here.

This is almost certainly a bogus report. This kind of stuff is really getting pathetic.

238 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:50:05am

re: #219 Nevergiveup

The talk here in NYC on sports talk radio is why (pitching aside) balls are flying out of the New Yankee Stadium especially to right.

That could be your answer right there. Look no further.

239 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:50:16am
240 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:51:36am

re: #226 doppelganglander

Britain … was kidnapping American sailors to serve in the Royal Navy.

The pretext was that they were looking for deserters from the RN and Army. Anyone on an American ship with an accent was grabbed. The problem was that the US was less than a generation from having been English—many Americans still had pronounced English accents—so that many were pressed into the RN at sword point and there was little a merchantman could do against a British man o’war.

241 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #223 SixDegrees

Gee, this is fascinating.

Because another poster (Scorch?) put exactly this same story up, right down the wording, yesterday, and claimed he had received it in a private email whose source he couldn’t reveal, in response to a similar post by yet another poster the day before that was challenged because the source was a rabid nutter’s website.

Where, exactly, did you copy-and-paste this from? And why are you claiming to have heard it first hand?

This sort of subterfuge does no one any good at all, except for the Lucky Leftard who gets to expose it to the world as a complete fabrication. Not a good plan.

Busted.

242 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #234 kay1212

Your credibility is zilch.

243 DaddyG  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:53:17am

I like fat back and I can not lie
You piggies are great to fry
That when a sow walks in with that salty taste
And that sizzling in your face
You start drooling
Wanna get that poke
Cuz you notice that butt was smoked
Bacon in the pan its stewing
I’m hooked on the Bar-be-que-ing
Oh, baby I wanna get crispy
And make a BLT
It aint Kosher or Halal
But that rack you got
could make me fall…

244 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:54:05am

re: #237 Charles

This is almost certainly a bogus report. This kind of stuff is really getting pathetic.

It’s just an opinion being circulated that’s gone viral. Basically it’s based on third hand information from an alleged conversation at some unidentified club. You might notice they abbreviate Captain as CPN. I think CPN is an abbreviation for a radar device.

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:54:13am

re: #240 calcajun

The pretext was that they were looking for deserters from the RN and Army. Anyone on an American ship with an accent was grabbed. The problem was that the US was less than a generation from having been English—many Americans still had pronounced English accents—so that many were pressed into the RN at sword point and there was little a merchantman could do against a British man o’war.

I always knew you were a British sympathizer!
///

246 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #243 DaddyG

I like fat back and I can not lie
You piggies are great to fry
That when a sow walks in with that salty taste
And that sizzling in your face
You start drooling
Wanna get that poke
Cuz you notice that butt was smoked
Bacon in the pan its stewing
I’m hooked on the Bar-be-que-ing
Oh, baby I wanna get crispy
And make a BLT
It aint Kosher or Halal
But that rack you got
could make me fall…

Ah, gotta love the classics from Sir Pigs-a-Lot.

247 DaddyG  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:54:26am

re: #205 Nevergiveup

Latest Missouri close to christening
The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Apr 20, 2009 10:55:03 EDT
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A new naval vessel named the USS Missouri will hit the open waters soon.

The $2 billion nuclear-powered attack submarine is being welded together in Groton, Conn. It will be christened later this year. The Navy says it will be the most advanced submarine in the world.

Missouri Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton says, “All Missourians can take pride that a namesake to the ‘Mighty Mo’ will soon be joining the Navy’s fleet, this time in the silent service.”

Skelton is chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Also, his father shoveled coal on the second USS Missouri, a World War I-era battleship.

This will be the fifth USS Missouri. The first was a Confederate side-wheeler in the Civil War.

Didn’t Kirk and Picard both crash one of the USS Missouri’s?

//

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:54:33am

re: #237 Charles

This is almost certainly a bogus report. This kind of stuff is really getting pathetic.

I agree. A couple of the commenters are seemingly knowledgeable, and pick it to pieces.

249 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:56:46am
250 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:58:10am

re: #154 Occasional Reader

I don’t own the joint, but I’d say:

1. No, there hasn’t been, to my knowlege; and

2. Please feel free, but keep in mind that people are going to take your information with a grain of salt, since we don’t know you.

The pirategate story has gone viral over the net, with slight edits like heard from two seals, heard at the officers club, a senior officer repeated and so on.
I don’t think the 36 hour delay is in dispute while they were talking to talking to the pirates, but one issue stands out. In many versions of the story it talks about the Seals not being able to fire the first time the captain was in the water. From all I read, the Seals were not on the ship until the day after, it was dark, and the lifebout was 100’s of yards away.
All of the stories seem to suggest the Navy should have acted sooner even at though that would be at greater risk to the caption and that the POTUS was responsible. My personal opinion would be to remain a skeptic of these rumors for a while.

251 countrygurl  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:58:55am

No True Scotsman…
this is the second time today LGF has sent me running for a definition (from Wikipedia):

Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the “Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again.” Hamish is shocked and declares that “No Scotsman would do such a thing.” The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, “No true Scotsman would do such a thing.”
252 countrygurl  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:59:32am

oops, wrong thread!

253 kay1212  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:00:14am

re: #242 Sharmuta

Your credibility is zilch.

OK, fine with me. This is what some Seals believe. I can’t speak for all. I know they were disgusted. I know they want credit given to the correct people. The story is out there and they are passing it along.

If you want to think Obama is the person who deserves the kudos for a decisive victory, that’s fine with me. Time will tell when there are other instances who decided what.

254 Wendya  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #236 pre-Boomer Marine brat

While I’m glad that the CinC finally gave them leeway to act, and give credit to Obama for that …

… IMHO, Obama seems (seems) to have done so only after Phillips’ abortive escape, and when Obama probably realized that his own ass would be in a wringer if Phillips died because the Navy’s hands were tied. Obama gave the Navy the minimum leeway (IMHO, just enough to be able to give himself wiggle room in the event of a negative outcome.)


The Captain likely had an AK pointed at him for the entire duration he was with the pirates but it wasn’t until Obama started to look weak that it was perceived as a threat.

255 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #198 DaddyG

What we really need to do is cast off the luntic fringe on both sides of the political spectrum and band the true conservatives that are left into a conherent and unified voice.

It shouldn’t be too difficullt to coordinate this among the 42 of us that are left.

//

Dang rights only 42…You’ll pry my tinfoil hat from my cold dead hands…
/

256 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:01:08am

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I’ll put that one in my Anglo-file.//

257 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:02:48am

re: #240 calcajun

The pretext was that they were looking for deserters from the RN and Army. Anyone on an American ship with an accent was grabbed. The problem was that the US was less than a generation from having been English—many Americans still had pronounced English accents—so that many were pressed into the RN at sword point and there was little a merchantman could do against a British man o’war.

Interesting. I didn’t know they used accents to make the distinction. I’m fascinated by language, linguistics, and accents. It’s such a shame that recording devices didn’t exist to document the transition from the British to the American accent.

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #254 Wendya

The Captain likely had an AK pointed at him for the entire duration he was with the pirates but it wasn’t until Obama started to look weak that it was perceived as a threat.

Excuse me, but I don’t get what you mean by that.

259 baier  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:04:45am

“Clown Attack”
Is Glenn Beck at it again?

260 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:06:08am

re: #237 Charles

This is almost certainly a bogus report. This kind of stuff is really getting pathetic.

It’s already gone viral on the net, so it must be true. /s

Rumor mill.

261 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:06:18am
262 Twenglish  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:06:40am

Damnit Charles !

You just gave me a reason to force myself to listen to Weiner Nation tonight ….

You Know the King Weiner and his little Dog Toto are gonna be roasting you about this subject on his show ….

I’ll just bet you listen in too ……
But not too long and don’t forget the barf bag …..
lol

263 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #235 J.D.

When you google PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, you get nothing.

Pure Bullshit Information Center?

264 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:08:20am

re: #257 doppelganglander

PBS had a program some years back called “The Story of English” The showed an island in the Chesapeake whose inhabitants sounded like they were from the midlands or Cornwall and not Virginia. It was amazing to think that vestige of our ties to England had survived.

265 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:09:25am

re: #257 doppelganglander

Interesting. I didn’t know they used accents to make the distinction. I’m fascinated by language, linguistics, and accents. It’s such a shame that recording devices didn’t exist to document the transition from the British to the American accent.

And on to Southern….

/ducks under desk…(kidding all!)

266 DaddyG  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:13:38am

re: #264 calcajun

PBS had a program some years back called “The Story of English” The showed an island in the Chesapeake whose inhabitants sounded like they were from the midlands or Cornwall and not Virginia. It was amazing to think that vestige of our ties to England had survived.

Well, that and having to have two completely different sets of rachets in the toolbox.

267 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:17:33am

re: #260 avanti

… so with the instantaneous transfer of information on the internet and the volume of blogs and peoples opinions being cast onto the web… at what point do you just stop believing ANY of it?

268 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #266 DaddyG

You can thank the French for that—silly metric system.

269 Wendya  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:24:51am

re: #258 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Excuse me, but I don’t get what you mean by that.

According to US Naval Forces Central Command, permission was given to act if the Captain’s life was in imminent danger. The Navy cited weapons being pointed at Phillips as that “imminent danger”. Note, this only came about after Obama had FBI negotiators sent in to negotiate a prisoner swap with the pirates and the negotiations broke down. I find it impossible to believe that Phillips didn’t have weapons pointed at him for the nearly 5 days he was in custody. I believe President Obama thought he could negotiate his was out of this and as it continued to drag on he realized he had to take some other form of action. I do give him credit for allowing the Navy to end it but I don’t believe for a second political calculations didn’t enter into his decision making.

270 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #267 PISSED

… so with the instantaneous transfer of information on the internet and the volume of blogs and peoples opinions being cast onto the web… at what point do you just stop believing ANY of it?

If I sent you a e-mail saying I talked to a guy in the White House that said he saw Obama hiding under the desk would you believe it ? Even if the same lie is posted on 10,000 web pages does not make it true. If the rumor had any factual basis, the MSM would pick it up. This one is so silly, Beck won’t even touch it. llN

271 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #168 jcm

We’ve already had a Pig War!

A HORSE’S HEAD IN HUGO’S BED

272 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:31:32am

re: #269 Wendya

I agree with the thrust of your post. BHO gave permission on Friday, then again after the SEALS were in position on Saturday. The fact the they waited to take the shot at 30 yards instead of several 100 made sense to me.

273 HippieforLife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:32:24am

re: #114 jcm

It’s like being “couth”. I could never understand why if you could be “uncouth” you could not be “couth”.

274 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:32:32am

re: #271 yochanan

A HORSE’S HEAD IN HUGO’S BED

Won’t work. Too many sheep have gone through there already.

275 Boxy_brown  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:34:40am

re: #242 Sharmuta

Your credibility is zilch.

The thing about any organization the size of the US military is that there really is no way to keep a “stupid secret”. When people are ordered to shut up to protect someone from the consequences of their own actions the word has a way of getting out. Whether or not “kay1212” is full of it I don’t know, but the scuttlebutt that I have heard pretty much dovetails with this. Take it or leave it but it is the only reasonable explication that I have heard of why the rules of engagement were changed and than changed back again.

276 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:38:36am

re: #270 avanti

If I sent you a e-mail saying I talked to a guy in the White House that said he saw Obama hiding under the desk would you believe it ?

Yup! ( HAHAHA ) My point is that you can’t even TRUST the msm sometimes,as we all know that the errors and dropped information they put out is biased. My comment was more out of frustration at the difficulty of getting to the truth.

277 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:39:07am

re: #275 Boxy_brown

The thing about any organization the size of the US military is that there really is no way to keep a “stupid secret”. When people are ordered to shut up to protect someone from the consequences of their own actions the word has a way of getting out. Whether or not “kay1212” is full of it I don’t know, but the scuttlebutt that I have heard pretty much dovetails with this. Take it or leave it but it is the only reasonable explication that I have heard of why the rules of engagement were changed and than changed back again.

You just posted another link with the same cut and paste story on several 100 conservative web sites. If it’s a true story, it’s too big to just bounce around on far right web sites.

278 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #270 avanti

If the rumor had any factual basis, the MSM would pick it up.

NOT if it painted “O” in a bad light , I dont think they would.

279 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:40:51am

Guh.

280 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:40:56am
281 Boxy_brown  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:41:25am

re: #270 avanti

If I sent you a e-mail saying I talked to a guy in the White House that said he saw Obama hiding under the desk would you believe it ? Even if the same lie is posted on 10,000 web pages does not make it true. If the rumor had any factual basis, the MSM would pick it up. This one is so silly, Beck won’t even touch it. llN

Seeing as you are a deluded Obama sycophant willing to stretch truth until it snaps at either end to justify your teenage girl adoration of this glorified used car salesman that you have helped to inflict on this country I would certainly take notice of anything remotely negative you had to say about your messiah and chief. Since that hasn’t happened and since you seem willing to pile on the “lets credit obama for killing these jokers” bandwagon and continual regurgitating your talking points I have no need to see what you have written as “believable”.

282 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:44:11am

Whatever happened to “fact checking your ass?”

We’re now going to pass around unsubstantiated rumors that REEK of falsehood, just because they play into what we want to believe about Barack Obama?

Sad.

283 Boxy_brown  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:45:57am

re: #279 Charles

re: #277 avanti

You just posted another link with the same cut and paste story on several 100 conservative web sites. If it’s a true story, it’s too big to just bounce around on far right web sites.

I also have spent a half dozen evenings over the past couple of weeks helping Sailors and Marines prepare their tax returns/file extensions at the Naval War College in Newport RI. This was the word combings back almost immediately. Someone say something about shusssssh, that’s not what they want to hear?

284 Lee Coller  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #186 kay1212

OK, here’s the story I heard from two Seals.

I don’t believe you. This story was floating around for several days, a version of it was posted over floppingaces and was the top link a few days ago. When I down-dinged it I was the first to do so, and several others have since followed. Use your brains, anonymous reports from unverified sources are extremely dubious.

285 PISSED  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #282 Charles

I think the “true” facts will never come out. They will be watered down or changed. Its kinda like the game in elementary school where the teacher whispers something in the first students ear, and it gets passed student to student until the last student tells a totally different tale.

286 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:49:24am

re: #282 Charles

Whatever happened to “fact checking your ass?”

We’re now going to pass around unsubstantiated rumors that REEK of falsehood, just because they play into what we want to believe about Barack Obama?

Sad.

Seriously. So much for skepticism, pragmatism, and fact-checking. They’re accepting rumor and gossip as fact. Here from an alleged story which started from some guy who calls himself BooBooFan. The trail goes like this:

BooBooFan
Ex Liberal in Hollywood
Flopping Aces

287 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:53:56am

re: #280 Iron Fist

I’m not sure I agree with you there. Yeah, if it were me doing the shooting, I’d be a hell of a lot more likely to hit from 30 yards that 300. With SEAL snipers the distance is more about selecting what they do the shooting

No argument there, It is possible the SEAL team could have done the job just as well at the greater distance even with the greater risk. The problem is the SEAL team was not on scene yet when the captain went in the water the first time.

288 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:54:00am

re: #282 Charles

inductive vs. deductive reasoning. Inductive should win every time.

289 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #287 avanti

No argument there, It is possible the SEAL team could have done the job just as well at the greater distance even with the greater risk. The problem is the SEAL team was not on scene yet when the captain went in the water the first time.

Seems correct:

The first small contingent of SEALs parachuted into the waters around the destroyer Bainbridge at 5:10 a.m. on Saturday. A larger contingent of SEALs arrived at 6:30 p.m.

Captain Phillips reported escape attempt was on Friday.

290 Boxy_brown  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:02:54pm

re: #287 avanti

The problem is the SEAL team was not on scene yet when the captain went in the water the first time.

It wouldn’t have taken a seal team to return fire on a lifeboat with NO Americans on it, would it?

291 Yashmak  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:14:48pm

I appreciate some of the work the Thomas More law center does, like defending religious symbols at veteran’s cemeteries, and the like. We shouldn’t let this silliness prevent us from understanding that they do good things as well.

But this, yeah, it’s pretty dumb.

292 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:21:33pm

re: #290 Boxy_brown

It wouldn’t have taken a seal team to return fire on a lifeboat with NO Americans on it, would it?

Part of my point was the story you linked to talked about SEALS having a shot. How do you explain that since there were no SEALS ?

293 Land Shark  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #291 Yashmak

I agree. They have done some great work, but it’s still disappointing they would be involved in such silliness. And make no mistake, this is a frivolous, silly lawsuit. Let’s hope it gets dismissed promptly so it doesn’t cost us taxpayers. We don’t need the distraction, there’s “bigger fish” to fry.

294 looking closely  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

Didn’t the White House come right out and say that they were going to politicize the Census? If so, why would politicizing the DHS be completely beyond the pale?

/just sayin’

That’s not what the White House said explicitly, though it doesn’t take more than a superficial read to see that that is absolutely its intent.

In 200+ years of the Republic, the White House wasn’t directly involved in the Census, but now the Obama administration has to be?

On the DHS report, again, maybe the premise of the report is true…maybe there are US military veterans being recruited by “right wing hate” organizations.

Even if true, it doesn’t change the fact that the report is a speculative piece of garbage that smells highly partisan.

295 looking closely  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:35:22pm

re: #280 Iron Fist

I’m not sure I agree with you there. Yeah, if it were me doing the shooting, I’d be a hell of a lot more likely to hit from 30 yards that 300. With SEAL snipers the distance is more about selecting what they do the shooting with (i.e. anything from a .300 Whisper to a .50 BMG is available) than it is their hit probablity at any range that is feasible. IMHO, I’d be more concerned with the character of the surface (i.e. choppy or smooth, large or small, etc.) than the range. Even that isn’t a particularly tough challenge for people at the level these guys are. Amazingly accurate is an understatememt (I had a friend who’s dad had been a Special Forces sniper in the early ’60s. “Unreal” is the term I’d use to catagorize what the man could do with a firearm).


A rifle shot against a human sized target at 30 yards on land is generally trivial.

A shot at 30 yards at sea is not, given that both the shooter AND target are moving up and down with waves and/or wind in non-predictable ways. A shot like that can actually be rather difficult.

There is a reason why the standard civilian maritime weapon is a shotgun…things are usually bobbing around too much to take careful aim with a rifle.

Anyway, its probably safe to say that the shooters in question here didn’t have an entire arsenal of sniping rifles to pick from for this mission. They had what they had and they used it.

296 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #237 Charles

This is almost certainly a bogus report. This kind of stuff is really getting pathetic.

This slimy slander originated with Dr. Jack Wheeler, the same rancid clot of pond scum who claimed that John McCain had collaborated with the Viet Cong in return for favors from prostitutes, a vomitous canard that was roundly refuted by the servicemen imprisoned with him.

I wouldn’t even piss on Jack Wheeler to put out his maliciously lying on-fire pants after eating asparagus.

297 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #205 Nevergiveup

Nevergiveup -

Technically, the Fourth - the first being CSS Missouri I believe.

-S-

298 Boxy_brown  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #292 avanti

Part of my point was the story you linked to talked about SEALS having a shot. How do you explain that since there were no SEALS ?


The frst point in the link was:

1. BHO wouldn’t authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

So no, the seals supposedly weren’t on scene. UDT, the Marines and hundreds of sailors were with a clear shot on a bright orange plastic lifeboat that didn’t have an American on it.

Regardless; Obama’s approach to this has been to handle it as a criminal matter, not a defense matter. Defending US flagged ships and American life has been an the historic role Of the US Navy. (Not; restricting the use of lethal force until the captains life was in “imminent danger”.) Why was the ROE changed from the Right/Obligation to defend American/Innocent life to you aren’t authorized to use force until American life is in imminent danger? It is completely congruent with closing down Guantanamo and allowing the scum of the earth access to the US bill of rights. He views these national defense obligations as police actions and has hamstrung the military accordingly. It’s going to get Americans killed, either in the USA or abroad or both.

299 Lee Coller  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #284 Lee Coller

Oops, I had intended to post a link to the LGF link, not flopping aces!

300 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:32:44pm
301 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:00pm

#300: Piss off.

302 rhino2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:16:16pm

Silly? Yes. Most frivolous lawsuit in US history? I’m not so sure!

303 IPLaw  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:20:52pm

Say what you will about the various characters and motives in this suit, but there is a legitimate first amendment issue here. For instance, it’s likely that the report, disseminated to LEOs at every level, will lower the standards of suspicion and cause for stop/search/arrest regarding individuals or groups who have “right-wing” indicia, such as those who participate in federalist society-type groups or those who have “right-wing” (as defined in the report) bumper stickers (Ron Paul, Pro-Life, NRA, etc.)

Let me be clear - my post has nothing whatsoever to do with contentious debate regarding the report; I’m just giving my initial impressions as a lawyer regarding a potential first amendment issue.

304 CEQAttorney  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:48:49pm

I really dislike Michael Savage. Some of his views seem so off-base that I cannot even understand their basis.

Further, to use the liberals own tools is the epitome of foolishness.

That being said, I will reiterate that I still found the original report disturbing. Here’s the thing. What was the purpose of the report? It was issued to bring attention of local law enforcement agencies to the dangers of violent, rightwing, extremist groups.

While no reasonable person would state that there aren’t rightwing extremist groups, the problem with the report was that it was vague almost to the point of uselessness.

The report attempts to identify characteristics of rightwing extremist groups. However, those identified characteristics are also widely held beliefs for most conservatives. Without specific identification of groups, a local law enforcement agency would either be forced to monitor every conservative group or ignore the report.

For example, the report indicate that the illegal immigration debate has been co-opted by these groups. So, if an anti-illegal immigration group decides to hole a rally, what is the local law enforcement group supposed to do? If they take the report seriously, they should monitor the rally for potential rightwing extremists and identify potential suspects.

The other problem I see with this report is the claims of alleged violence without any statistics to back it up. The individual events do not make a pattern nor a plan. There are many people who are upset with a variety of aspects of our government. The John & Ken show in Southern California is almost rabid about illegal immigration. However, you could never identify the hosts as a rightwing extremists.

While I concur that the excitement over the report is not necessary, I think the DHS should answer serious questions about their motivation for releasing the test.

305 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:44:44pm

re: #304 CEQAttorney

While I concur that the excitement over the report is not necessary, I think the DHS should answer serious questions about their motivation for releasing the text.

The DHS did not release the report; it was leaked, by persons unknown, to Alex Bell, who posted it on prisonplanet.

306 CEQAttorney  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 10:59:14pm

re: #305 Salamantis

The DHS did not release the report; it was leaked, by persons unknown, to Alex Bell, who posted it on prisonplanet.

It was released to law enforcement officials. I imagine those are the people who “leaked” it.

307 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:01:31pm

re: #306 CEQAttorney

It was released to law enforcement officials. I imagine those are the people who “leaked” it.

But it was not released to the general public. Not by DHS.

308 wrecktafire  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:21:43pm

@304 CEQAttorney: concur completely.

There were reasonable areas and reasons for surveillance, vs. some downright Orwellian-sounding things in that DHS document.

Liberty-loving Americans have a right to be concerned. (Not apoplectic, but concerned and maybe a little vocal.) Who’s the next target—“First Amendment Freaks?”

309 blackwater  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:03am

The attorney for the plaintiffs on this lawsuit has been licensed to practice law in Michigan since September of 2001. That is not a long time for a federal civil rights lawsuit.

310 CEQAttorney  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:56:34am

re: #307 Salamantis

But it was not released to the general public. Not by DHS.

That is beside the point.

My point is that the report was released to local law enforcement officials to warn them about “rightwing extremism.” As I stated several times, I don’t doubt there is rightwing extremism and I am not saying we should be aware of a potential problem.

My issue with the report is two fold. First, the report focuses on three specific issues that are “characteristics” (for lack of a better term) for rightwing extremists. However, these so-called “characteristics” are commonly held beliefs among conservatives. Thus, if a group supports one of these beliefs are they potentially a “rightwing extremist group?” A local law enforcement official, if he took the report seriously, would have to check such groups.

On a side note, I also think it’s odd that the report focuses on two major issues that most conservatives agree on: illegal immigration and the size of government.

The second part of my issue with the report is the claims of violence but the lack of support for these claims. You have to question a report about recent “rightwing violence” that refers back to Timothy McVeigh as an example. His act of terrorism occurred over ten years ago and had little to do with the current circumstances.

While Tim McVeigh disliked government, the current group of protesters (the “Tea Parties”) do not dislike government but the way government is doing business.

The issue for me is if the DHS wanted local law enforcement to take this report seriously, it appears that the DHS wants the local law enforcement officials to closely monitor all conservative groups for potential “rightwing extremism.” However, given the recent history, are liberal groups are feeding grounds for leftwing extremism and violence than any rightwing group. From ELF to the G20 summit protesters, it appears to me that liberals tend to violent outbursts than conservatives.

If the DHS report was expected to be taken seriously, it should have provided details of what local law enforcement officials should look for and which groups are potentially a problem. It would also have provided some statistics to support its analysis.

As it stands, the report can be summed up thus:


Yeah, well, we don’t like rightwing extremists and think they’re violent. If you see anyone who doesn’t like the government, illegal immigrants, or control laws, they might be a rightwing extremist. Also, if someone talks about a militia group, they might be a rightwing extremist. Militia groups like to recruit former military members, so if you see a former military member, he might be recruited to a rightwing extremist group, just like Timothy McVeigh was. We’ve seen a right in rightwing extremist website activity and have concluded that the rightwing extremists are up to something. So, be on the lookout for rightwing extremists. They might be anywhere you see militia groups, former military members, or anti-government rallies. Also, gun nuts might be rightwing extremists.
311 IPLaw  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:12:44pm

After reading a few blogs across the political spectrum (including Kos), I have yet to see a good legal (as opposed to emotional) argument showing that the DHS memo does not pose a genuine issue regarding free speech.

Savage may be a crank, but I absolutely support his challenge as a check on governmental encroachment of first amendment freedoms.

If someone can point me to a reasoned legal analysis of this issue, I’m happy to reconsider.


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