Atlas Shrugs Promotes Neo-Nazi British National Party

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Shrieking bigoted lunatic Pamela Geller has now graduated to promoting the skinheads of the neo-Nazi British National Party: Atlas Shrugs: PUSHBACK AGAINST MUSLIM EXTREMISTS IN THE UK.

One of the demonstrations she’s pimping was organized by pro-BNP blogger Paul Ray, aka “Lionheart.” In January 2008, “Lionheart” wrote this on his blog:

Little Green Footballs you are a traitor, nothing less than the equivalent of a Second World War Nazi collaborator who would have been shot because of his treason - Iam sure there are many who would have obliged!

Richard Bartholomew has more information on the skinheads behind this demonstration: Protest in Luton over St. George’s Day Event Decision.

You may remember that Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer recently tried to smear me with an accusation that I was “linked up” with neo-Nazis, after they discovered a link to LGF on an obscure Canadian white nationalist website (on a page that also had links to CNN, Fox News, and lots of other mainstream news sources).

Of course, I have no control over who posts a link to LGF.

On the other hand, Pamela Geller has made a very deliberate choice to associate with and promote the most disgusting, vile fascist parties in Europe, including the BNP, the National Front, and the Vlaams Belang. And she continues to viciously attack me for pointing it out, even projecting her own associations onto me in an act of deliberate deception.

Why does anyone continue to link to Geller, Spencer, or the equally ugly Gates of Vienna (Geller’s source for this story, who also make no secret of their support for fascists of all stripes)? If you’re a blogger, you should consider what it does to your credibility by supporting these people and their extremist agenda.

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1150 comments
1 mph  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:36:11pm

Every time I see the title of her website, it makes me cringe.

2 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:36:52pm

re: #1 mph

Every time I see the title of her website, it makes me cringe.

Perhaps it should be changed to "Atlas, Drugged."

3 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:37:11pm

She certainly seems to have the whole "psychological projection" thing down pat.

cheers

eon

4 freedombilly  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:37:27pm

You are the company you keep, Pamela.

5 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:39:22pm

re: #1 mph

Every time I see the title of her website, it makes me cringe.

My Male told her it was arrogant.

6 pegcity  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:39:42pm

Um Pam you do realize that once the Nazis were done with you it would be off to the oven with the other Juden right?

7 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #3 eon

She certainly seems to have the whole "psychological projection" thing down pat.

cheers

eon

Yes, yes she does. She even posted a particularly nasty attack on Charles on her blog a few days ago. Some twit made a Charles = Hitler YouTube video, and she put it on her blog, front and center where everyone could see it.

8 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:40:18pm

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

9 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:41:29pm

re: #5 Dianna

My Male told her it was arrogant.

"Arrogant" doesn't begin to cover it. Picturing yourself as a heroic gold-tinted nude statue? That goes into "deeply weird" territory.

10 Cathypop  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:41:34pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.


At least you have a brain. Sounds like Pamela had hers removed a long time ago.

11 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

Congitive Dissonance, it's a way of life for some.

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:42:02pm

The end justifies the means.

... butt

/yeah, ... THAT end tries to justify the means it uses too.

*waving at PG*

13 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:42:03pm
14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:42:12pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Yes, the BNP is notoriously antisemitic and Nick griffin (BNP leader) is a holocaust denier.

15 alegrias  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:43:00pm

Not ever going to check them out, ever.

16 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

That about says it all.

17 medaura18586  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:43:43pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

She is, "culturally Jewish." But rabid insanity overrides any religious or cultural affiliation, as well as the natural alliances or antipathies they entail.

18 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:05pm

Go to time 1:56 in the video at the Atlashrug's link. A man goes by the camera doing a Nazi salute.

19 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

I was wonder what her take on Dinnerjackets Durban II speech was........
Stay or walk?

20 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:19pm

And I saw that she now claims that The One's regime is KILLING people involved in uncovering his birth status.

Re: The BNP.

I'll trust English friends advise on who these people are. Not a chick from Long Island.

They've made it clear that these are BNP rent-a-mobs.

21 windhorse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:31pm

Pamela, have you sought professional advice yet about this problem of yours? if not, maybe you should think about it......

22 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:40pm

re: #17 medaura18586

She is, "culturally Jewish." But rabid insanity overrides any religious or cultural affiliation, as well as the natural alliances or antipathies they entail.

Maybe these groups offered to hit her blog a few times a day, and she just sold out.
/spit

23 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:42pm

Oy vey.

I wonder if some kind soul will clue Pamela in that "Yom HaShoah Day" is a redundancy. ("Yom" means day in Hebrew, so "Yom HaShoah Day" basically means "Holocaust Memorial Day Day.") She's used it several times now. Basic elementary Hebrew seems to be one of the many things about which she insists upon advertising her ignorance.

24 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:44pm

re: #9 Occasional Reader

"Arrogant" doesn't begin to cover it. Picturing yourself as a heroic gold-tinted nude statue? That goes into "deeply weird" territory.

I try very hard not to think about that.

25 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:44:52pm

re: #9 Occasional Reader

"Arrogant" doesn't begin to cover it. Picturing yourself as a heroic gold-tinted nude statue? That goes into "deeply weird" territory.

Hrmm, so my fiancee was right. I am deeply weird. Dangit.

26 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:45:34pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Yes, the BNP is notoriously antisemitic and Nick griffin (BNP leader) is a holocaust denier.

I thought BNP was a brand of tea.

27 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:46:18pm

She's Jewish Jewish.

28 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:46:27pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

What?!

That is just...stupid?...no, not strong enough.

29 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:46:46pm

re: #27 Ben Hur

She's Jewish Jewish.

Like J Street is "pro Israel" right?

30 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:46:49pm

Pam, honey, don't come up from the deep end too quickly, you'll get the bends.

31 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:46:58pm

The Brits are in big trouble as a nation, period... witness the UK's not joining the original boycott of the idiocy at the UN that even Obama was smart enough to resist.
Their walking out doesn't really impress all that much when you consider that they should have been absent in the first place.

32 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:47:38pm

re: #29 Alouette

Like J Street is "pro Israel" right?


No.

But Pamela Gellar is Jewish. Full stop.

33 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:47:55pm

Luton was a mess when I was in the UK in the 1980's....looks like things are even worse now. Luton was the home of the nastiest of the nasty soccer hooligans. I would imagine with the massive influx of muslims into that working town, people like Lionheart and the BNP have a fertile ground to sow the seeds of hatred.

Those "protesters" needed someone to smack them down. What a bunch of scumbags. The UK is screwed if they continue on the path they are on. The average citizen will not rise up to the challenges of the immigrants. The immigrants feel emboldened and basically "take over" areas. What it is left is the reactionary from the far right....a recipe for disaster no matter how you slice it

34 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:48:16pm

re: #28 Dianna

What?!

That is just...stupid?...no, not strong enough.

It's on there posted in a thread.

It's starts with the heading, "Theyre killing people."

35 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:48:55pm

re: #29 Alouette

Like J Street is "pro Israel" right?

To give her credit where it is due: she is a supporter of Israel. She describes herself as a Zionist.

The contradiction in her attitudes? She's decided that "anti-Islam" is enough.

36 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:49:04pm

re: #30 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pam, honey, don't come up from the deep end too quickly, you'll get the bends.

Huh? You think she's in the pool?
*shrug*
No matter. I guess you didn't sewer she went.

37 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:49:31pm

I don't get the Holocaust deniers. What more proof do they need? I watched a documentary called Swimming in Auschwitz this weekend. It was heart breaking.

38 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:49:35pm

Prior to learning about the BNP (here), I'd more-or-less believed that Fascism in the UK had pretty much died out with the demise of Sir Oswald Mosley's version, aka the "Blackshirts", after Dunkirk.

Is this a continuance, a retread, or a "reimagining"?

/I like to know exactly what sort of dangerous kooks I'm dealing with.

cheers

eon

39 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:49:45pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

It's on there posted in a thread.

It's starts with the heading, "Theyre killing people."

I won't read it. I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.

40 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:50:02pm

re: #11 MrSilverDragon

CongitiveCognitive Dissonance, it's a way of life for some.

I cnat sepll.

41 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:50:14pm

re: #35 Dianna

To give her credit where it is due: she is a supporter of Israel. She describes herself as a Zionist.

The contradiction in her attitudes? She's decided that "anti-Islam" is enough.

Intellectually, about as deep as a crust of dried mouse pee.

42 turn  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:50:35pm

turn can only think of two good things about Pam ... oh never mind

43 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:50:44pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Go to time 1:56 in the video at the Atlashrug's link. A man goes by the camera doing a Nazi salute.

If you're referring to the Luton protest video, the "Nazi salute" was probably an insult aimed at the police. Did you notice the signs that read "NF Go To Hell"?

Those people weren't Nazis or Fascists. They were simply fed up and good on 'em.

44 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #41 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Intellectually, about as deep as a crust of dried mouse pee.

Well...I didn't say it.

45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:51:00pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Go to time 1:56 in the video at the Atlashrug's link. A man goes by the camera doing a Nazi salute.


Ugh. You're right.

46 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:51:00pm

re: #38 eon

Is this a continuance, a retread, or a "reimagining"?

Continuance. They were certainly around in the mid-80s when I lived in the UK.

47 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:51:53pm
48 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:07pm

PAMELA:

THEY'RE NAZIS.

Get it?

NAZIS.

IS THERE SOME PART OF THIS THAT NEEDS EXPLAINING TO YOU?

49 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:13pm

re: #37 KenJen

To ' get ' them ,you only need to know that if they can simply pretend there was no Holocaust, then in their mind it follows there is no reason for Israel to remember it and take actions against another one.
The ' not just a river in Egypt' principle applies.

50 Silvergirl  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:23pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.

Think of all the Jewish Obama voters. The sheer numbers, if not hurting your brain, will at least make question marks explode from it.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:29pm

re: #44 Dianna

Well...I didn't say it.

And someone obviously logged on for a moment with my username.

*innocence personified*

52 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:35pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

PAMELA:

THEY'RE NAZIS.

Get it?

NAZIS.

IS THERE SOME PART OF THIS THAT NEEDS EXPLAINING TO YOU?

Maybe if they would just organize a Tea Party, she'd get it.

53 spinoneone  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:52:41pm

First, the National Socialist German Workers' Party [Nazi Party] was anything but "right wing." They opposed: capitalism, private capital, banks, and business. They were for: national ownership of all major businesses [steel, coal, transport, manufacturing, construction, etc], pro-Nazi affiliated unions [control of workers], anti-religion [at the end of the day, all of it except Lutherans, and then only to the extent they controlled the Lutheran church], nationalization of the school system from kindergarten through the university, national health care, and so on and so forth. They were Socialists - they were NOT small government, individual freedom loving right wingers.

Second, they were a one-man/one-party dictatorship.

Finally, elections were free and fair if and only if all candidates were approved by the Nazi party or were members thereof.

These guys would fit in very well with where Obama seems to be going. Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

54 transient  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:53:04pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

A Jew--even someone who is merely "culturally Jewish," whatever that means--who cozies up to Nazis is like someone celebrating Shabbos with a big plate of pork chops.

Way to acknowledge Holocaust Remembrance Day, Pamela.

More like celebrating Yom Kippur with pork chops.

55 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:53:10pm

Obviously, this woman has mental issues in need of address, as this problem of hers, associating with the likes of the BNP has been pointed out in the past. Yet she continues her association(s) with like groups. Hello, Pamela?

56 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:53:31pm

"Lionheart", of course, is a frequent poster on JW.

Charles, help me out: I seem to remember a post here on LGF spotlighting an article on GoV that pretty much came out and said "it's OK to be a racist" - more or less in those words. The quote I'm remembering went something like "Take a deep breath and say it. I'm a racist. There, that wasn't so bad, was it?"

Is my mind playing me false? I can't find the post here and a search of GoV turns up nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if Baron Bullshit has poured it down the oubliette, but perhaps there's a cache. Any leads?

57 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:54:34pm

re: #50 Silvergirl

There's a term for that. In fact, there's an abbreviation: SHJ's. **
**self hating Jews
It might seem a little strong, but they are definitely working against the best interests of Israel's survival as a nation.

58 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:54:35pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

The quote I'm remembering went something like "Take a deep breath and say it. I'm a racist. There, that wasn't so bad, was it?"

Is my mind playing me false?

I remember it, too.

59 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:54:38pm

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And someone obviously logged on for a moment with my username.

*innocence personified*

Yeah, right.

60 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:08pm

re: #53 spinoneone

First, the National Socialist German Workers' Party [Nazi Party] was anything but "right wing." They opposed: capitalism, private capital, banks, and business. They were for: national ownership of all major businesses [steel, coal, transport, manufacturing, construction, etc], pro-Nazi affiliated unions [control of workers], anti-religion [at the end of the day, all of it except Lutherans, and then only to the extent they controlled the Lutheran church], nationalization of the school system from kindergarten through the university, national health care, and so on and so forth. They were Socialists - they were NOT small government, individual freedom loving right wingers.

Second, they were a one-man/one-party dictatorship.

Finally, elections were free and fair if and only if all candidates were approved by the Nazi party or were members thereof.

These guys would fit in very well with where Obama seems to be going. Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

When I started reading I thought it was about the Obama gov.!

61 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:35pm

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And someone obviously logged on for a moment with my username.

*innocence personified*

The problem is that I never liked her blog. So I have to make very sure that I don't say anything much.

62 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:39pm

re: #32 Ben Hur

No.

But Pamela Gellar is Jewish. Full stop.

So am I, and I don't pal around with nazis.

63 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:40pm

re: #43 USBeast

If you're referring to the Luton protest video, the "Nazi salute" was probably an insult aimed at the police. Did you notice the signs that read "NF Go To Hell"?

Those people weren't Nazis or Fascists. They were simply fed up and good on 'em.


Read the links charles posted up top. These guys were neo-nazis, there's no doubt about it.

64 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:44pm

re: #53 spinoneone

First, the National Socialist German Workers' Party [Nazi Party] was anything but "right wing." ...... Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

I think it was HoosierHoops who posted an explanation earlier today regarding how the "wing" labels have changed over the past century.

Ask him about it. It's an important historical distinction.

65 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #59 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, right.

Looks like one of my "angels"....the one that climbs the curtains and sharpens his claws on the leather sofa.

66 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #61 Dianna

The problem is that I never liked her blog. So I have to make very sure that I don't say anything much.

Sorry, I left off the last sentence:

It's too much like gloating, and I don't like it when I do that.

67 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:56:10pm

re: #59 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, right.

Ted Bundy could look pretty innocent too, if I recall correctly.

68 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:56:23pm

re: #43 USBeast

If you're referring to the Luton protest video, the "Nazi salute" was probably an insult aimed at the police. Did you notice the signs that read "NF Go To Hell"?

Those people weren't Nazis or Fascists. They were simply fed up and good on 'em.

I'm looking into this an NF Goto Hell was one thing I was searching for. That's an attempt to distance themselves from the National Front. That could have been a member of the NF or not. Looks like a lot of confusion at that protest and all I see is a lot of thuggish looking 20-30 years old males.

Either way the BNP and NF can take a hike.

69 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:56:26pm
70 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:56:36pm

re: #52 OldLineTexan

The word ' nazi ' has been so co-opted in the vernacular.... think ' feminazi', diet nazis, etc... that it has lost some of its impact, Too bad.

71 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:00pm

re: #54 transient

More like celebrating Yom Kippur with pork chops.

Like Israelis.

72 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

A Jew--even someone who is merely "culturally Jewish," whatever that means--who cozies up to Nazis is like someone celebrating Shabbos with a big plate of pork chops.

Way to acknowledge Holocaust Remembrance Day, Pamela.

Which is especially ironic in Pam's case since she has up both articles remembering the Holocaust and praising the BNP.

73 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:14pm

re: #70 tradewind

The word ' nazi ' has been so co-opted in the vernacular.... think ' feminazi', diet nazis, etc... that it has lost some of its impact, Too bad.

For some, yes... but thankfully for many, not so much.

74 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:25pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

A Jew--even someone who is merely "culturally Jewish," whatever that means--who cozies up to Nazis is like someone celebrating Shabbos with a big plate of pork chops.

No offense, buzz, but I think the analogy is inapt. The pork chop diner could be cheerfully questioning a dietary restriction, without doing anyone any harm or in any way attacking Jews or Judaism. Cozying up to Nazis is a whole different ball of wax.

75 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #70 tradewind

The word ' nazi ' has been so co-opted in the vernacular.... think ' feminazi', diet nazis, etc... that it has lost some of its impact, Too bad.

No Soup for You

76 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:55pm

re: #59 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, right.

LOL! I'd love to know enough about software to make an animated GIF out of that -- the innocent kitty slowly morphing into Basement Cat with evil, glowing, eyes.

77 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:57:56pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

No offense, buzz, but I think the analogy is inapt. The pork chop diner could be cheerfully questioning a dietary restriction, without doing anyone any harm or in any way attacking Jews or Judaism. Cozying up to Nazis is a whole different ball of wax.

I know I'm pretty cheerful tucking into a pork chop.

/

78 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #73 MrSilverDragon

Yes indeed.
It's not a good trend.

79 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:58:47pm

re: #70 tradewind

The word ' nazi ' has been so co-opted in the vernacular.... think ' feminazi', diet nazis, etc... that it has lost some of its impact, Too bad.

It's batted around rather frequently, I agree, but that was not my point.

80 transient  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:58:47pm

re: #57 tradewind

There's a term for that. In fact, there's an abbreviation: SHJ's. **
**self hating Jews
It might seem a little strong, but they are definitely working against the best interests of Israel's survival as a nation.


Must disagree with you. Just voting for Obama does not make you a self-hating Jew. There are plenty of American Jews whose top priorities are in America, not Israel, and there were plenty of (IMO, misguided) Jewish voters who valued Israel but didn't think Obama would be as bad for Israel as those "crazy right wingers" claimed. Saying they are all self-hating is more than a little extreme.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:58:49pm

. re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

A Jew--even someone who is merely "culturally Jewish," whatever that means--who cozies up to Nazis is like someone celebrating Shabbos with a big plate of pork chops.

Way to acknowledge Holocaust Remembrance Day, Pamela.

Pork chops don't kill people. Nazis kill people. I'd rather the pork chops.

82 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:59:18pm

re: #75 Desert Dog

/Slapping face/... I knew I had left out a culturally significant one.....

83 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:59:48pm

Have a great night, Lizards.

84 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:59:51pm

re: #77 OldLineTexan

I know I'm pretty cheerful tucking into a pork chop.

/

I can fully understand why Jews are skeptical that Jesus was the promised Messiah, since he forgot to say "oh, and y'all can go ahead and enjoy the prosciutto from now on".

85 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 1:59:54pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

.


Pork chops don't kill people. Nazis kill people. I'd rather the pork chops.

Oh, but they might have... [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

86 Silvergirl  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:00:00pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

No offense, buzz, but I think the analogy is inapt. The pork chop diner could be cheerfully questioning a dietary restriction, without doing anyone any harm or in any way attacking Jews or Judaism. Cozying up to Nazis is a whole different ball of wax.

In any case, it's not being true to yourself or your heritage.

Yes, a different ball of wax (one is much larger) but they're both sticky.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #53 spinoneone


These guys would fit in very well with where Obama seems to be going. Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

With as little vitriol as possible, why does this seem to worry people so much? Call them right, left, sea kittens, don't worry about it.

88 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #84 Occasional Reader

I can fully understand why Jews are skeptical that Jesus was the promised Messiah, since he forgot to say "oh, and y'all can go ahead and enjoy the prosciutto from now on".

They just didn't believe Peter's dream. Too convenient. ;)

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:01:51pm

re: #61 Dianna

The problem is that I never liked her blog. So I have to make very sure that I don't say anything much.

I haven't been on it in ages, and have never commented on it.
Therefore, I consider myself free to .... [censored].

/yes, I understand where you're coming from

90 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:22pm

re: #53 spinoneone

First, the National Socialist German Workers' Party [Nazi Party] was anything but "right wing." They opposed: capitalism, private capital, banks, and business. They were for: national ownership of all major businesses [steel, coal, transport, manufacturing, construction, etc], pro-Nazi affiliated unions [control of workers], anti-religion [at the end of the day, all of it except Lutherans, and then only to the extent they controlled the Lutheran church], nationalization of the school system from kindergarten through the university, national health care, and so on and so forth. They were Socialists - they were NOT small government, individual freedom loving right wingers.

Second, they were a one-man/one-party dictatorship.

Finally, elections were free and fair if and only if all candidates were approved by the Nazi party or were members thereof.

These guys would fit in very well with where Obama seems to be going. Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

Not this drooling moronic shit again.

91 Sunlight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:30pm

re: #80 transient

Must disagree with you. Just voting for Obama does not make you a self-hating Jew. There are plenty of American Jews whose top priorities are in America, not Israel, and there were plenty of (IMO, misguided) Jewish voters who valued Israel but didn't think Obama would be as bad for Israel as those "crazy right wingers" claimed. Saying they are all self-hating is more than a little extreme.

Exactly. Oh so many voted for windmills and "social and economic justice" (spreading the $$ around). They quoted Obama's AIPAC speech to the end, even when they basically withdrew it right after. Bless their hearts, they are not self hating. They are wonderful people and I hope we pull out of what has been done in the election.

92 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:30pm

re: #88 OldLineTexan

They just didn't believe Peter's dream. Too convenient. ;)

Dream? DREAM? You can actually go to the rooftop in Jaffa ISRAEL and see the spot where that happened.

93 J.S.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:32pm

re: #53 spinoneone

O please. Look up the name Krupps. Who do you think they were, eh? Were they nationalized, state owned? The answer is "no." They were one of the major arms suppliers for the nazis. Again, go look it up.

94 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:36pm

re: #88 OldLineTexan

They just didn't believe Peter's dream. Too convenient. ;)

Peter dreamed about prosicutto?

(I really should have paid more attention in CCD class)

95 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #37 KenJen

I don't get the Holocaust deniers. What more proof do they need? I watched a documentary called Swimming in Auschwitz this weekend. It was heart breaking.

I don't need to watch things like that. Besides all the WWII documentaries I watched as a kid (Victory at Sea, Crusade in Europe, etc.), two of my uncles were with Patton's 6th Army when they liberated Buchenwald. One of them was there when Patton had the local burghers from the town taken through the camp, and then asked them, "Are you trying to tell me you didn't know about this?"

It's been forty-plus years, and my uncles are both long gone, but I can still remember the looks in their eyes when they spoke about that.

I'm Methodist, and most of my family is of German descent, including both my uncles. So let's just say that that kind of thing cuts pretty close to the bone for me.

/There's a reason that fascism, in any form, raises my hackles- this is a big part of it.

cheers

eon

96 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:03:59pm
97 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:03:59pm

re: #80 transient

Never said that just voting for Obama constituted self hatred. But way back before Obama, there have been segments of America's Jewish population that, as we say down here, bless their hearts.... have voted for candidates whose agendas are in direct opposition to the benefit of the nation with which they (these voters) share emotional and cultural ties.
I don't get it. I understand and respect the beginnings...the identification with the American Civil Rights movement... but it has gone so far past that into idiocy.

98 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:04:12pm

I bet Pamewa is gonna stomp her widdle foot when she sees this.

99 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:04:19pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Peter dreamed about prosicutto?

(I really should have paid more attention in CCD class)

What I want to know is...what was wrong with the ham that it needed to be cured?

100 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:04:26pm

re: #76 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL! I'd love to know enough about software to make an animated GIF out of that -- the innocent kitty slowly morphing into Basement Cat with evil, glowing, eyes.

Even that can be a challenge...

101 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:04:47pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

With as little vitriol as possible, why does this seem to worry people so much? Call them right, left, sea kittens, don't worry about it.

It only matters in as much as it's used to insinuate that other [right,left, sea kittens] are just a few steps away from donning swastikas.

102 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

.


Pork chops don't kill people.

Unless they're frozen and used to bludgeon a husband, then served by the murderous wife to the police when they arrive.

103 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:05:20pm

re: #92 Ben Hur

Dream? DREAM? You can actually go to the rooftop in Jaffa ISRAEL and see the spot where that happened.

Except the dream had nothing to do with food and everything to do with people.

104 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:05:48pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

No offense, buzz, but I think the analogy is inapt. The pork chop diner could be cheerfully questioning a dietary restriction, without doing anyone any harm or in any way attacking Jews or Judaism. Cozying up to Nazis is a whole different ball of wax.

Jews who eat pork chops are either:
1) Completely clueless about the dietary restriction, or vaguely know about it but think it does not apply to them OR
2) Intentionally displaying their contempt for Jews and Judaism by conspicuously partaking in such a manner that would get them executed if they were insulting Islam

No one has ever "cheerfully questioned" the dietary restrictions by deliberately flouting them.

105 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:05:56pm

re: #103 Wishing

Except the dream had nothing to do with food and everything to do with people.

I've forgotten the details.

We tend to remember food.

106 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:06:14pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

Unless they're frozen and used to bludgeon a husband, then served by the murderous wife to the police when they arrive.

Been reading Roald Dahl again?

As I recall, it was a leg o' lamb. But the principle's the same. ;^)

107 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:06:20pm

Is she standing outside promoting them, in a string bikini?

/from post on earlier thread today

108 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:06:24pm
109 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:06:38pm

re: #105 Ben Hur

I've forgotten the details.

We tend to remember food.

I understand, but sadly the entire point is lost.

110 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:06:57pm

Energy Secretary Offers Dire Global Warming Prediction

Caribbean nations face "very, very scary" rises in sea level and intensifying hurricanes, and Florida, Louisiana and even northern California could be overrun with rising water levels due to global warming triggered by carbon-based greenhouse gases, Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Saturday.

He said global temperatures have already risen by 0.8 degree Centigrade, that another 1 degree increase was certain to occur and "there's a reasonable probability we can go above 4 degrees Centigrade to 5 and 6 more."

Chu painted a dire picture of the implications.

What a dick-in-the-air!

111 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:04pm

re: #104 Alouette

Jews who eat pork chops are either:

I really don't think those are the only choices. But anyway, I have no traif in this fight.

112 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:05pm

re: #59 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah, right.

Oh, do I remember that "who, me?" look.

My response was, "Yes, you."

Like it did any good.

Next maneuver- up in the lap, purr, get petted. Nobody wins an argument with a cat.

/They fight dirty. Cute, but dirty.

cheers

eon

113 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:11pm

re: #104 Alouette

Jews who eat pork chops are either:
1) Completely clueless about the dietary restriction, or vaguely know about it but think it does not apply to them OR
2) Intentionally displaying their contempt for Jews and Judaism by conspicuously partaking in such a manner that would get them executed if they were insulting Islam

No one has ever "cheerfully questioned" the dietary restrictions by deliberately flouting them.

Are we talking "Pork Chop" specifically?

Because dumplings, egg rolls and wantons, etc ARE NOT PORK.

They are dumplings, egg rolls and wantons.

(just not in the house)

114 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:20pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

With as little vitriol as possible, why does this seem to worry people so much? Call them right, left, sea kittens, don't worry about it.

Because the neo-Nazi racists have gotten glued to the "right-wing". And they seem to like it.

Because the left and the media have cheerfully used and reported "Bushitler" and like references to plant "Conservative = Nazi" in the common culture. And they are getting the desired result.

Because the neo-Nazis are BAD CRAZY and conservatives/right-wingers/Republicans (all conflated labels to some extent) just don't need any more BAD CRAZIES.


/and leave teh poor sea kittehs alone! ;)

115 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:30pm

OT: wrenchwench are you still here?

I logged in late but I saw your comment # 384 Thank you {wrenchwench}. You did the RIGHT thing.
And thank you Buzz for your:
re: #490 buzzsawmonkey

116 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:42pm

Yeah, yeah, I know it was lamb, a little poetic license here...

117 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:48pm

re: #66 Dianna

Sorry, I left off the last sentence:

It's too much like gloating, and I don't like it when I do that.

Must respectfully disagree. When your perceptions are vindicated (as they clearly have been), it's not gloating to share them with others. To the contrary.

/or maybe I'm just trying to rationalize my own behavior?

118 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #110 jorline

Energy Secretary Offers Dire Global Warming Prediction

What a dick-in-the-air!

Algore on steroids.

119 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:15pm

Antisemitism has always been beyond my comprehension.

120 Sunlight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:20pm

And just to understand again... Charles, you are thinking the creationism-as-fact-to-be-taught-in-school could be a marker for a cross linking with the VB white supremacist type stuff? And that's why (other than it tanking our scientific future, and the idea that schools shouldn't be used for religious indoctrination) you are focused on turning back the creationists?

121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:22pm

re: #100 goddessoftheclassroom

Even that can be a challenge...

You think WE'RE all harmless .... don't you.

122 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:52pm
123 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:53pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Go to time 1:56 in the video at the Atlashrug's link. A man goes by the camera doing a Nazi salute.

The guy in the pink shirt, definitely the Hitler Groet.

124 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:56pm

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You think WE'RE all harmless .... don't you.

You and the C*TS!

125 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #120 Sunlight

What the...?

126 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:01pm

re: #112 eon

Oh, do I remember that "who, me?" look.

Youtube Video
127 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:05pm

re: #106 Cato the Elder

Been reading Roald Dahl again?

As I recall, it was a leg o' lamb. But the principle's the same. ;^)

I LOVE THAT STORY! It's "Lamb to the Slaughter," the the protagonist's name is Mary.

(It was in the anthology I used to teach.)

128 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:06pm

re: #117 Lynn B.

In my own case, it's just because I have rotten manners, and I'm trying to improve.

129 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:22pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

With as little vitriol as possible, why does this seem to worry people so much? Call them right, left, sea kittens, don't worry about it.

Characterizing the right as Nazis has always been the left's favorite metaphor. I find that ironic as it is the left that has produced the most bloody and murderous "isms" in the history of the world. How many millions perished from communism? or National "SOCIALISM"? It is the left that wants the state to take the power and restrict the rights of the citizens, not the right. It is the left that wishes to curb ideas and speech, not the right. It is the left that wants Big Brother to take over from cradle to grave and provide all that is needed to the people, not the right. Why we sit here and let ourselves be classified as "Nazis" is beyond me. Especially since we are being called something we are not by a group that is itself guilty of the very things they criticize us for.

130 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:23pm

re: #106 Cato the Elder

It was a leg of lamb, served to the very cops sent to investigate.

Youtube Video
131 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:24pm

re: #92 Ben Hur

Dream? DREAM? You can actually go to the rooftop in Jaffa ISRAEL and see the spot where that happened.

I'm sorry ... I will retract "dream" and substitute "vision".

132 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:34pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

Unless they're frozen and used to bludgeon a husband, then served by the murderous wife to the police when they arrive.

Hitchcock!

133 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #98 MandyManners

I bet Pamewa is gonna stomp her widdle foot when she sees this.

Well lets give her beat to stomp to. ;)

Youtube Video
134 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:09:44pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I thought that was a leg o lamb?

135 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:02pm

re: #131 OldLineTexan

I'm sorry ... I will retract "dream" and substitute "vision".


Vision? VISION?

(ok. that got old quick)

136 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:03pm

re: #116 Occasional Reader

Yeah, yeah, I know it was lamb, a little poetic license here...

Mary had a little pig!

137 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:16pm

Interesting report on said protest:

Thursday, 16 April 2009
Luton - Bank Holiday Monday

Blog is called: Three Counties Unity A blog dedicated to defending communities in Beds, Bucks and Herts from the BNP and other peddlers of hate.

138 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:32pm

re: #128 Dianna

In my own case, it's just because I have rotten manners,

You?!

139 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:33pm
140 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:37pm

re: #125 Cato the Elder

What the...?

Stole the words right off my fingertips!

141 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #110 jorline

Energy Secretary Offers Dire Global Warming Prediction

What a dick-in-the-air!

People running around screaming "save the planet!" have far too high an opinion of themselves to think that we, humans, have that much of a detrimental effect on the planet. The planet will be fine and spinning long after the human race is a memory. Perhaps if they were running around saying "save the humans!", there's a slightly better chance I would listen more.

142 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:10:57pm

Again, Pamela is posting vids and supporting demonstrators on her site who like to march down the street with the Zieg Heil salute held high.

143 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:11:03pm

re: #127 goddessoftheclassroom

I LOVE THAT STORY! It's "Lamb to the Slaughter," the the protagonist's name is Mary.

(It was in the anthology I used to teach.)

Someone gave me that collection ("Kiss, Kiss") a long time ago when I was in the hospital recovering from a serious illness. It made a deep impression on me.

My favorite story was the one about the shady antiques dealer and the farmers.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #120 Sunlight

And just to understand again... Charles, you are thinking the creationism-as-fact-to-be-taught-in-school could be a marker for a cross linking with the VB white supremacist type stuff? And that's why (other than it tanking our scientific future, and the idea that schools shouldn't be used for religious indoctrination) you are focused on turning back the creationists?

What?

Where did you come up with this?

145 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:11:43pm

re: #128 Dianna

In my own case, it's just because I have rotten manners, and I'm trying to improve.

Yes, I cannot keep my elbows off the table. And protesting that I have learned to keep my hands to myself does absolutely no good.

/

146 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:04pm

re: #123 Thanos

The guy in the pink shirt, definitely the Hitler Groet.

Yeh, somehow I couldn't see a regular citizen doing that salute in that context and atmosphere and that "proudly."

147 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:11pm

re: #130 tradewind

It was a leg of lamb, served to the very cops sent to investigate.

Serial Mom

Youtube Video
148 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:13pm

re: #135 Ben Hur

Vision? VISION?

(ok. that got old quick)

And I am utterly confused, to boot.

149 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:20pm

re: #120 Sunlight

WTF!?! Back away from the joint, please. Something in it is screwing with your thought processes.

150 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:24pm

OK.

I think they heard that one outside my office!

151 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #68 Gus 802

I'm looking into this an NF Goto Hell was one thing I was searching for. That's an attempt to distance themselves from the National Front. That could have been a member of the NF or not. Looks like a lot of confusion at that protest and all I see is a lot of thuggish looking 20-30 years old males.

Either way the BNP and NF can take a hike.

You'll see the same "thuggish looking 20-30 years old males" raising hell at any soccer game. The original purpose of the march was to show support for British troops after the shameful display of Muslim contempt for them. The organizers of the march were denied a permit to march which, understandably, pissed them off considering that the Muslim protest was given a permit. If you watch the video you will hear them singing "Let us march".

Is it not just barely possible that some people in Europe can oppose the Islamification of their culture and country without being branded as "Nazis" and "Fascists"?

152 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #128 Dianna

In my own case, it's just because I have rotten manners, and I'm trying to improve.

I have never seen the slightest evidence of that here, Dianna. I'm just saying.

153 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:49pm

re: #129 Desert Dog

Fascism & Nazism are not identical to socialism or communism, but they are much closer to those than to individualism and limited government; this limited government is the true opposite of every leftist collectivism and what should be the marker of what constitutes modern American conservatism, what is alluded to when one speaks of "right-wing" popularly today.

154 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:12:52pm

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You think WE'RE all harmless .... don't you.

Not even close.

Please note: the banter between pBMb and me is in NO WAY meant to minimize the solemnity of the Holocaust memorial or the contempt for the neonazis.

155 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:13:16pm

re: #149 Honorary Yooper

WTF!?! Back away from the joint, please. Something in it is screwing with your thought processes.

It's not the weed!

156 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:13:27pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

You?!

Me.

157 tradewind  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:13:35pm

re: #155 Ben Hur

(It's the bong water).

158 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:13:39pm

re: #124 Ben Hur

You and the C*TS!

h*h

159 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:23pm

re: #152 Lynn B.

I have never seen the slightest evidence of that here, Dianna. I'm just saying.

You've never heard me in person. I have absolutely no censor; every now and again I sit there, utterly aghast at what just came out of my mouth.

160 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:25pm

re: #129 Desert Dog

Characterizing the right as Nazis has always been the left's favorite metaphor. I find that ironic as it is the left that has produced the most bloody and murderous "isms" in the history of the world. How many millions perished from communism? or National "SOCIALISM"? It is the left that wants the state to take the power and restrict the rights of the citizens, not the right. It is the left that wishes to curb ideas and speech, not the right. It is the left that wants Big Brother to take over from cradle to grave and provide all that is needed to the people, not the right. Why we sit here and let ourselves be classified as "Nazis" is beyond me. Especially since we are being called something we are not by a group that is itself guilty of the very things they criticize us for.

Saying that Nazis and neo-Nazis are right wing extremists is NOT THE SAME as saying "right wingers are Nazis."

Please. Simple logic.

161 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, other areas will be unaffected by the rising sea levels. Polynesia won't notice it atoll.

What a boob.

Brings to mind some existential questions:

- What kind of swim attire do they wear on Bikini Island?
- In Hawaii, what do they wear on Hawaiian shirt Friday?

162 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Mary had a little pig!

Its tail was pink and curly
She dressed it in a yellow wig
And began to call it "Shirley"

163 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #120 Sunlight

Dont Bogart that joint my friend.....

164 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:53pm

re: #152 Lynn B.

I have never seen the slightest evidence of that here, Dianna. I'm just saying.

Ooops. I don't think that came out quite right.

I have never seen the slightest evidence of "rotten manners" on your part here, Dianna.

165 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:14:54pm

re: #151 USBeast

You'll see the same "thuggish looking 20-30 years old males" raising hell at any soccer game. The original purpose of the march was to show support for British troops after the shameful display of Muslim contempt for them. The organizers of the march were denied a permit to march which, understandably, pissed them off considering that the Muslim protest was given a permit. If you watch the video you will hear them singing "Let us march".

Is it not just barely possible that some people in Europe can oppose the Islamification of their culture and country without being branded as "Nazis" and "Fascists"?

Why are you asking me? I mean, isn't that the general tenor of this thread? Am I the only one making that assumption? Charles even has the following posted atop:

Richard Bartholomew has more information on the skinheads behind this demonstration.

166 Sunlight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:06pm

re: #144 Charles

What?

Where did you come up with this?

I'll try to look in the past posts... there were links when I was trying to figure out why these creationism people shouldn't be faced down locally rather than as a national litmus issue... I'll see if I can find it.

167 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #160 Charles

Saying that Nazis and neo-Nazis are right wing extremists is NOT THE SAME as saying "right wingers are Nazis."

Please. Simple logic.

No, but that doesn't mean either is right.

168 Mad Mullah  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:11pm

White supremacists and extremist Muslims deserve each other. They're both scum, let them go at it and bash each other's brains out, I would find that quite funny. With the massive increase of radical, anti-western, terrorist supporting Muslims infiltrating Europe, it is only to be expected that there will be a backlash resulting in anger among the native population.

I don't support any neo-nazis, white supremacists or anything of that sort, but I do support any Europeans who are anti-Jihad and Europeans who realize that their continent is going down the drain, by importing significant numbers of primitive minded people who hate everything that they stand for, including the country which they have chosen to migrate to and in some cases infiltrate.

169 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:11pm

re: #158 pre-Boomer Marine brat

h*h

*ngl*sh w**ld b* * d*mn*d str*ng* l*ng**g* w*th**t v*w*els.

170 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:15pm

re: #148 OldLineTexan

And I am utterly confused, to boot.

I didn't know about the Peter's dream "eat all these animals" thingy. Learn something new every day. But the rooftop in Jaffa reference still eludes me.

171 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:23pm

re: #151 USBeast

I wondered if this would flush out any remaining fascist sympathizers. Looks like it did.

172 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:37pm

re: #120 Sunlight

Don't think Charles ever said that, but there are some crossovers between Aryan nation and Christian Identists (there's a very specific flavor just for Neo-nazi's) but I'm not sure that they are creationists? Sounds like you are trying to confuse the picture, the Identists are "traditionalists" in the hard core sense, but I don't think they are involved in the ID movement.

173 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:46pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

You?!

re: #156 Dianna

Me.

Didn't I just post this same exchange at #126?
;)

174 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #144 Charles

I think Sunlight is seeing a connection of irrationality?

175 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:16:00pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

Its tail was pink and curly
She dressed it in a yellow wig
And began to call it "Shirley"

Don't call it Shirley...

176 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:16:29pm

re: #151 USBeast

You'll see the same "thuggish looking 20-30 years old males" raising hell at any soccer game. The original purpose of the march was to show support for British troops after the shameful display of Muslim contempt for them. The organizers of the march were denied a permit to march which, understandably, pissed them off considering that the Muslim protest was given a permit. If you watch the video you will hear them singing "Let us march".

Is it not just barely possible that some people in Europe can oppose the Islamification of their culture and country without being branded as "Nazis" and "Fascists"?

You would hope so. But apparently these aren't the droids we are looking for.

177 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Yeh, somehow I couldn't see a regular citizen doing that salute in that context and atmosphere and that "proudly."

Maybe she will use the Glen Beck "it was an infiltrator!" Defense....

178 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

I didn't know about the Peter's dream "eat all these animals" thingy. Learn something new every day. But the rooftop in Jaffa reference still eludes me.

Hell, I'm getting shouted at.

;)

179 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #166 Sunlight

I'll try to look in the past posts... there were links when I was trying to figure out why these creationism people shouldn't be faced down locally rather than as a national litmus issue... I'll see if I can find it.

Creationists are not necessarily racists or fascists and vice versa. It's a different idiotarianism.

180 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:14pm

re: #171 Charles

I wondered if this would flush out any remaining fascist sympathizers. Looks like it did.

What?...I mean...What?!

181 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #153 nikis-knight

Fascism & Nazism are not identical to socialism or communism, but they are much closer to those than to individualism and limited government; this limited government is the true opposite of every leftist collectivism and what should be the marker of what constitutes modern American conservatism, what is alluded to when one speaks of "right-wing" popularly today.

Fascism has the added venom of nationalism, but it still strives to control the means of production and control the population from the top down. Using a linear line to mark it, I'd say the NAZI's were on the left. Somehow, NAZI has become to mean "Republican" in this modern era. I am just curious why.

182 AuntAcid  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #129 Desert Dog

Why we sit here and let ourselves be classified as "Nazis" is beyond me.

"we"? ...hmmm...do you have a mouse in your pocket?

///

183 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:18pm

re: #154 goddessoftheclassroom

Not even close.

Please note: the banter between pBMb and me is in NO WAY meant to minimize the solemnity of the Holocaust memorial or the contempt for the neonazis.

ROFL!
This match goes to you!

/and ditto from me to goddess' note!

184 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:19pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

Its tail was pink and curly
She dressed it in a yellow wig
And began to call it "Shirley"

Andy began to call it Shirley?

185 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:47pm

re: #115 callahan23

De nada, callahan. And thank you for alerting me to buzzsawmonkey's #490!

186 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

I didn't know about the Peter's dream "eat all these animals" thingy. Learn something new every day. But the rooftop in Jaffa reference still eludes me.

He had his dream or vision there. But it was not about food.

187 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:18:27pm

re: #177 Thanos

Maybe she will use the Glen Beck "it was an infiltrator!" Defense....

Hmmm, pink shirt? He's from Code Pink UK! //Infiltrator

188 turn  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:18:29pm

re: #159 Dianna

You've never heard me in person. I have absolutely no censor; every now and again I sit there, utterly aghast at what just came out of my mouth.

I have, and you are very polite. Sure, you say what you feel but there is absolutely no reason to censor yourself Dianna.

189 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:18:35pm

re: #160 Charles

Saying that Nazis and neo-Nazis are right wing extremists is NOT THE SAME as saying "right wingers are Nazis."

Please. Simple logic.

I am not saying right wingers are Nazis. I am saying that people on the right are often times characterized as being Nazis by rabid loonies on the left. And, I find that ironic

190 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:18:50pm

re: #159 Dianna

You've never heard me in person. I have absolutely no censor; every now and again I sit there, utterly aghast at what just came out of my mouth.

Years ago, when Letterman was funny, he had a woman character called the foulmouth librarian who let go with streams of curses while maintaining her very librarian manner.

191 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:19:07pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

I didn't know about the Peter's dream "eat all these animals" thingy. Learn something new every day. But the rooftop in Jaffa reference still eludes me.

From what I understand, the vision happened when he was in Jaffa.

192 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #180 USBeast

What?...I mean...What?!

Why would you make excuses for this demonstration? Did you follow the link to see who organized it?

193 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:19:22pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

Its tail was pink and curly
She dressed it in a yellow wig
And began to call it "Shirley"

No lipstick?

194 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:19:48pm

I think I'm going to be sick.

195 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:20:12pm

re: #186 Wishing

He had his dream or vision there. But it was not about food.

I'm not going to argue with you, but WHAT?

/

196 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:20:45pm

re: #193 MandyManners

No lipstick?

Work with me here.

/

197 queequeeg  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:20:47pm

The BNP are an old school fascist party attempting to position themselves as a nationalist party and obfuscate their origins. They are also set to get around 20% of the vote in the upcoming EU elections. Which will scare the hell out of a lot of people.

Economically they are far left, somewhere around the position of the Labour party in 1983 (Crazy crazy, Obama in his dreams left relative to you Yanks). State ownership of everything, no free trade, etc. They only allow 'nordic or anglo saxon' members, which tells you everything else you need to know about them.

They have 3 main constituents, long term idealist Nazis, dissalusioned hard left working class voters who see themselves abandoned by New Labour and some of the UK independence party vote (opposed to our membership of the EU - a mixture of libertarians and paleocons, in a British way) who will single issue on the BNP due to the melt down of UKIP.

198 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:20:47pm

re: #181 Desert Dog

Fascism has the added venom of nationalism, but it still strives to control the means of production and control the population from the top down. Using a linear line to mark it, I'd say the NAZI's were on the left. Somehow, NAZI has become to mean "Republican" in this modern era. I am just curious why.


Because the International socialists defined the national socialists as right-wing when they began competing after the Nazi-Soviet alliance fell apart.
Really, left/right should cover nationalism/internationism only, rather than state control/individual liberty which it has come to encompass, which is the more important distinction.

199 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #194 Zimriel

I think I'm going to be sick.

Q: What were George Washington's words as he crossed the Delaware?


/flashback to "I Love Lucy" episode

200 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:10pm

re: #159 Dianna

You've never heard me in person. I have absolutely no censor; every now and again I sit there, utterly aghast at what just came out of my mouth.

That's an irony; lately I've found my self asking "how would Dianna react to this" before I hit the submit button... lol

201 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #193 MandyManners

No lipstick?

OK,

Sarah had a little pig ...

;)

202 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #169 Honorary Yooper

*ngl*sh w**ld b* * d*mn*d str*ng* l*ng**g* w*th**t v*w*els.

**e*e a*e *o consonants i* **e U*i*e**s.

/*grin* ... playing with your mind

203 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:20pm

re: #183 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFL!
This match goes to you!

/and ditto from me to goddess' note!

{pre-Boomer Marine brat}
I knew I could speak for you!

204 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:21pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, other areas will be unaffected by the rising sea levels. Polynesia won't notice it atoll.

What a boob.

lmao...I'm 13' above sea level now, does this mean I will have beachfront property soon buzz?

Don't worry northern lizards. Future winters will be warmer...just look at the last two winters since they've sounded the global warming alarm.
//

205 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:25pm

re: #192 Charles

Why would you make excuses for this demonstration? Did you follow the link to see who organized it?

Actually no. If you will excuse me for a few minutes I will.

206 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:21:39pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

De nada, callahan. And thank you for alerting me to buzzsawmonkey's #490!

Buzzsawmonkey's comment is that good that you could print it out and send it to that lefty pastor.

207 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #113 Ben Hur

Are we talking "Pork Chop" specifically?

Because dumplings, egg rolls and wantons, etc ARE NOT PORK.

They are dumplings, egg rolls and wantons.

(just not in the house)

That's covered in my reason #1 Jews eat non-kosher food.

208 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #186 Wishing

He had his dream or vision there. But it was not about food.

Later, the New Testament records that Simon Peter was in Jaffa to heal Tabitha the seamstress [Acts 9]. Standing on the roof at Simon the Tanner’s house he had a vision in which the Lord commanded him to eat foods that were "unclean" (not kosher) foods, [Acts 10: 9-16]. After three attempts to show unclean food to Peter, the Apostle understood that God was trying to get him to change his view of people as unclean (Acts 10:38) not to get him to eat the food. Today, visitors frequent a lovely open plaza. A museum of the city’s eventful part is below the plaza. Beside it is St. Peter’s Church, a gold and orange building erected in the 18th century over earlier chapels and Crusader ruins.

Now I get it.

209 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #182 AuntAcid

Why we sit here and let ourselves be classified as "Nazis" is beyond me.

"we"? ...hmmm...do you have a mouse in your pocket?

///

If you share my political views, I am betting someone on the left has called you that.

210 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:23:31pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Q: What were George Washington's words as he crossed the Delaware?


/flashback to "I Love Lucy" episode

Was it "Fuck, I'm cold"....?

211 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:23:36pm

re: #198 nikis-knight

I agree.

212 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #197 queequeeg
From what I've read, beaurocrats in Europe often ignore national referendums on EU membership and authority, having repeated votes until they get the results that they want.
Forcing those who want national soverignty to turn to fringe parties is a large price to pay for this elitism...

213 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:23:53pm
214 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:24:11pm

re: #200 Zimriel

That's an irony; lately I've found my self asking "how would Dianna react to this" before I hit the submit button... lol

Now I'm giggling helplessly!

Thanks!

215 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:24:20pm

re: #210 LGoPs

Was it "Fuck, I'm cold"....?

Not according to 1950s TV broadcast standards, it wasn't.

216 spinoneone  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:24:48pm

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #203 goddessoftheclassroom

{pre-Boomer Marine brat}
I knew I could speak for you!

{goddess}

218 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:25:03pm

re: #212 nikis-knight

From what I've read, beaurocrats in Europe often ignore national referendums on EU membership and authority, having repeated votes until they get the results that they want.
Forcing those who want national soverignty to turn to fringe parties is a large price to pay for this elitism...

Welcome to the EU, please check your cultural identity at the door.

219 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

The Caribbean, Louisiana and Northern California will experience unique high sea levels because Hispanics, poor blacks, and moonbats will be hardest hit--or, more likely, the Secretary thinks that ramping up the fear level in these communities will garner support for whatever nastiness he intends to propose.

I think you need to change your name to "Spot On".

Seriously. :)

220 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Stretching it a wee bit, aint'cha'?

221 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

The Caribbean, Louisiana and Northern California will experience unique high sea levels because Hispanics, poor blacks, and moonbats will be hardest hit--or, more likely, the Secretary thinks that ramping up the fear level in these communities will garner support for whatever nastiness he intends to propose.

bingo...quick, call ACORN!

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:26:05pm

re: #206 callahan23

Buzzsawmonkey's comment is that good that you could print it out and send it to that lefty pastor.

Precisely true. A lot of people don't know about the Death Camps.

223 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:26:20pm

Good grief.

224 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:26:38pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

You?!

Me.re: #156 Dianna

Me.

re: #182 AuntAcid

"we"?

re: #112 eon

that "who, me?" look.

My response was, "Yes, you."

I don't know.

//Third base!

225 queequeeg  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #212 nikis-knight

From what I've read, beaurocrats in Europe often ignore national referendums on EU membership and authority, having repeated votes until they get the results that they want.

We didn't event get one, as they knew what the answer would be.


Forcing those who want national soverignty to turn to fringe parties is a large price to pay for this elitism...

Speaking as an ex UKIP voter who won't be voting BNP.. I agree. Our democracy is rapidly becoming a sham.

226 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:26:47pm

re: #216 spinoneone

BTW, DHS was not named that by FCBBHO.

Duh.

227 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:07pm

Has US Beast check back in?

228 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:08pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Are you on crack!?

229 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:15pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Please. Mobys should at least make an attempt at subtlety...

230 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:20pm

re: #167 nikis-knight

I have no patience left for historical revisionism. I'm sorry you can't understand the very simple left-right concept in politics. The rest of the world understands it and will continue without you. Give it up.

231 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:27pm

Also note that the whole pretext of the march is invalid, From a Commenter at the link posted:

The point is that Luton already has St Georges Day celebrations [Link: www.luton.gov.uk...] . Paul Ray has no interest in these kind of cultural displays however (which are very enjoyable for the family.) He is after a political dimension to the day alongside his agenda of terrorism and immigration.
St Patricks Day works in Luton because we have Molly Malone, shamrocks, great music and food. We don’t have republican marching bands. Similarly, we don’t want out-of-town people inflicting the 6:57 crew and their crude version of nationalism and then go away again leaving us to pick up the pieces.

232 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:31pm
233 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:39pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

Are you aware that the Bush administration founded the Department of Homeland Security? Were you screaming about the name then?

234 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:27:44pm

re: #228 Honorary Yooper

Are you on crack!?

No.

Who's on crack,
What's on smack,
I don't know is freebasing . .

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #216 spinoneone

FOAD

236 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:28pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Thats called a rectal extrapolation.

237 badger1970  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:31pm

Reagan was often called a fascist but when he asked his accusers exactly what a fascist was, only crickets chirping. From "An American Life: The Autobiography"

The left associates anyone on the right which they don't agree with as nazi fascists (so overused that it lost its meaning), it's as simple as that.

Now for Pam's vindictive streak, let's say it's an enemy of my enemy sort of thing. I could be wrong.

For the political waters, the left and right are so polarized that a person leaning left is called right wing, where as a person with right tenancies is called a leftist (or worse)- politics being a series of dangerous emotional arguments, the rhetoric will be heated, feelings will be hurt. Hell, after I thought the sky was falling after the '08 election I was wondering what was wrong with the Big Lizard himself, but as the smoked cleared, sanity returned. Thank you Charles for keeping me sane.

238 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:32pm

re: #233 Charles

Are you aware that Bush administration founded the Department of Homeland Security? Were you screaming about the name then?

Probably. Equal opportunity paranoid.

239 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:38pm

What is it with the crazies coming out of the woodwork lately?

240 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #216 spinoneone

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?"

Have you been asleep for the past 7 years?

Do you know who came up with the name?

241 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:51pm
242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:52pm

re: #239 Charles

What is it with the crazies coming out the woodwork lately?

Spring?

243 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:57pm

re: #226 MandyManners

BTW, DHS was not named that by FCBBHO.

Duh.

Oh, yeah. That tin-eared title was created by the Bush Administration.

244 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:28:59pm

Starbuck is sharpening his harpoon....

245 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:29:24pm

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

Has US Beast check back in?

Probably still reading, then having to go wash hands and face.

246 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:29:35pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

I have no patience left for historical revisionism. I'm sorry you can't understand the very simple left-right concept in politics. The rest of the world understands it and will continue without you. Give it up.

If it is so simply, explain in one or two words what the axis represents that will encompass & explain all beliefs and parties commonly ascribed to either extreme.

Otherwise, keep your condescending superiority to yourself.

247 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:29:43pm

re: #233 Charles

Are you aware that Bush administration founded the Department of Homeland Security? ...

... in response to ... what was it again? Oh, yeah, something that happened on Sept 11, 2001 ...

248 astronmr20  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:29:57pm

re: #53 spinoneone

First, the National Socialist German Workers' Party [Nazi Party] was anything but "right wing." They opposed: capitalism, private capital, banks, and business. They were for: national ownership of all major businesses [steel, coal, transport, manufacturing, construction, etc], pro-Nazi affiliated unions [control of workers], anti-religion [at the end of the day, all of it except Lutherans, and then only to the extent they controlled the Lutheran church], nationalization of the school system from kindergarten through the university, national health care, and so on and so forth. They were Socialists - they were NOT small government, individual freedom loving right wingers.

Second, they were a one-man/one-party dictatorship.

Finally, elections were free and fair if and only if all candidates were approved by the Nazi party or were members thereof.

These guys would fit in very well with where Obama seems to be going. Could someone explain to me in a coherent fashion, sans vitriol, why "neo-Nazis," to the extent they still cleave to the old Nazi ideology, are seen as "right wingers?"

Please STFU.

249 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:03pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

Sorry, I'm not interested in whatever nonsense you're pushing.

250 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:09pm

re: #233 Charles

Are you aware that Bush administration founded the Department of Homeland Security? Were you screaming about the name then?

Might as well follow the logic to it's natural conclusion..Bush was a lefty plant.
/

251 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:14pm

re: #239 Charles

It's what happens when there's no leader to tell the loonies sit down and get to the back of the bus.

252 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:20pm

re: #243 Dianna

Oh, yeah. That tin-eared title was created by the Bush Administration.

It was an infelicitious name, I agree.

I'd have called it the "Department of Keepin' It Real".

253 turn  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:35pm

re: #236 DEZes

Thats called a rectal extrapolation.

turn calls em rectal plucks, ha

254 astronmr20  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:37pm

re: #244 Thanos

Starbuck is sharpening his harpoon....

Is it a venti harpoon?

/

255 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:40pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

I have no patience left for historical revisionism. I'm sorry you can't understand the very simple left-right concept in politics. The rest of the world understands it and will continue without you. Give it up.

The problem with the left-right dichotomy is that it does not work everywhere, but you should know that, Killgore. What's considered rightist or conservative in one nation is not what is considered rightist or conservative in another. Or, do you seriously believe that European monarchists, American conservatives, and Islamist fundamentalists are all the same? All are considered to be on the "right" in their political arenas.

256 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:43pm

re: #216 spinoneone

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

Comparison between DHS and secret police in an authoritarian regime is asinine and something I expect from LLL moonbats.

And history lesson here: Brown shirts were Sturmabeiltung. They were never part of the German government. They were party activists thugs. The SS did away with them as soon as Hilter became Führer. Also the SSD was the Stasi, which was the commie East German secret police, not the Nazis.

257 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:49pm

re: #228 Honorary Yooper

Are you on crack!?

You know, I've known drug addicts with better logic skills. I think this is a natural stupid.

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:30:59pm

Stand by for someone having a ... wrenching ... experience.

259 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #216 spinoneone

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

Nice and friendly Nazis

/

260 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #216 spinoneone

Who cooked up the Department of Homeland Security?
GWB!

BTW, I'm not over fond of the name my self.

261 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:28pm

re: #239 Charles

What is it with the crazies coming out the woodwork lately?

That things are messy?

262 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:33pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

You are forgetting trichinosis.

In any event, I was actually thinking of the pork chop feasts that aggressively antireligious Jews used to hold on Yom Kippur; transient reminded me.

The point, ill-expressed, was merely that while no observant Jew would consider indulging in traif, even someone who considers themself merely a "cultural Jew" should know better than to associate with such political traif.

I hadn't heard the term "traif" but I do know a Jew can (in fact, must) violate a commandment if it's for the "political" cause of protecting eretz israel. I recall two examples off the top of my head -
- warfare on the Sabbath or Yom Kippur
- airlifting pigs onto a Saudi airfield

263 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:45pm

re: #239 Charles

What is it with the crazies coming out the woodwork lately?

Most are older nics..."Day of the Dead".

264 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:54pm

re: #239 Charles

What is it with the crazies coming out the woodwork lately?

Hitler's birthday has that effect.

265 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:31:57pm

re: #216 spinoneone

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

First off, don't make with the German around places where people might actually speak it, du kackbrauner Sohn einer geschlechtskranken Meerkatze.

Second, I'd tell you to grow a brain, but there's not enough stem there to support any fruit. Mach, dass du fortkommst, bevor ich dir den Arsch bis über die Ohren haue, du Milchbubi, du affiger Dreckskerl, du Abgeburt!

266 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:04pm

re: #237 badger1970

.... it's an enemy of my enemy sort of thing

Remember what Churchill said about appeasement. You feed the snake hoping it eats you last.

267 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:14pm

re: #98 MandyManners

I bet Pamewa is gonna stomp her widdle foot when she sees this.

She will attack Charles yet again, and only make herself look even worse, if it is possible.

And her toadies will be an echo chamber.

And next? The video of Atlas and her 4 daughters, all spitting at Charles, as soon as Atlas' makeup artist, wig maker, etc. finish her preparations, and then? This:

Youtube Video
268 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:19pm

re: #239 Charles

What is it with the crazies coming out the woodwork lately?

I'm sorry you had such a hard move and roused up early Saturday Morning to delete a brazzillion meltdowns..
It really sucked..Sorry charles

269 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:25pm
270 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:33pm

re: #181 Desert Dog

German National Socialism began as a local copy, not of Communism, but of Mussolini's Italian Nationalist Fascism. But it was strictly a bottom-of-the-barrel, office-in-a-cigar-box affair until the German Army sent a disaffected, medically-discharged corporal name Adolf Hitler to "infiltrate" their meetings to determine if they could be used against the Communists, in the days immediately after the Spartacist uprisings in 1919-20.

It was a classic, and ultimately horrendous, example of synchronicity, or maybe evil synergy, right up there with Napoleon and the Directory.

The German Army got what they wanted- in spades. In the end, they got a "corporate-syndicalist" state, with them calling the shots. Or at least, they thought they were, until the Nazis went from "getting organized" to "getting really organized". That's when they found out that the "attack dog" they'd created now was holding their leash.

The moral being that letting generals play politics is a fundamentally bad idea. Which is why our Constitution, unlike the German Wiemar version, strictly prohibits it.

While German National Socialism had some "socialist" trappings, it was decidedly not Communistic in nature. Which makes the later Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that much more bizarre. I have come to conclude that either (a) both sides here were looking for a chance to stab the other in the back, or (b) Ribbentrop and his boss outsmarted Molotov and his boss. (The latter being more likely, as Stalin was never the sharpest knife in the drawer, and was more worried about imagined disloyalty in his own army than anything Hitler might have been up to at the time.)

cheers

eon

271 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:35pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Spring?

It's not even the Lusty Month of May, yet!

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:32:53pm

re: #255 Honorary Yooper

Agreed, it's not really a great system I don't apply in to myself. However I understand the concept. I'm not interested in debating people who can't/won't understand it.

273 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:33:32pm

re: #269 taxfreekiller

Nonsense:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

No, Congress is #1, then drug cartels . . .

274 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Agreed, it's not really a great system I don't apply in to myself. However I understand the concept. I'm not interested in debating people who can't/won't understand it.

Probably because you can't explain it.

275 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:36:00pm
276 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:36:22pm

re: #266 calcajun

Remember what Churchill said about appeasement. You feed the snake hoping it eats you last.

You mean like this?

277 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #270 eon

German National Socialism began as a local copy, not of Communism, but of Mussolini's Italian Nationalist Fascism

However, to confuse things further; Mussolini started out his political life as a socialist.

278 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:37:04pm

re: #266 calcajun

Remember what Churchill said about appeasement. You feed the snake hoping it eats you last.

Crocodile, I believe, not snake.

279 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:37:11pm

PBO = Hope...Change...Stress Test

280 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:37:31pm

re: #266 calcajun

Churchill said "crocodile".

281 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:37:33pm

re: #270 eon

One side sang "The Internationale" and the other "Deutschland Uber Alles". Both of them are the bottom of the barrel

282 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:38:01pm

re: #279 jorline

PBO = Hope...Change...Stress Test

I have decided my ears are defective. It was obviously Dopey Change, not Hope and Change.

283 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:05pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

Do you remember how she denigrated all of European Jewry on that night when she showed who she really was, and later, when she realized just how awful her remark was, she then mentioned the family members who her family lost in the Shoah? To me, that was the very most horrific of all....to try and get herself out of a situation of her own making by using her European family members like that?

/She must be an honorary card carrying member of Vlaams Belang.

284 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:06pm

re: #206 callahan23

Buzzsawmonkey's comment is that good that you could print it out and send it to that lefty pastor.

Excellent suggestion! Thank you!

285 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #264 gmsc

Hitler's birthday has that effect.

Hey, neo-Nazis!

THIS JUST IN: Adolf Hitler is still dead.

(And the place where he killed himself is now a parking lot.)

BWAAHAHAHAHAA

286 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:16pm
287 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:19pm

re: #281 Desert Dog

One side sang "The Internationale" and the other "Deutschland Uber Alles". Both of them are the bottom of the barrel

Everybody sing!

"When Der Fuehrer says, we is the master race..."

288 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #277 Occasional Reader

However, to confuse things further; Mussolini started out his political life as a socialist.

Just shows you the right-left thing is woefully inadequate for describing the political spectrum.

289 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:40:21pm

re: #285 Occasional Reader
You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

290 astronmr20  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:40:56pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

Rawmuse with the win.

291 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

I have, quite frankly, never heard that one "can/must violate a commandment" for the cause of protecting Eretz Israel. One may violate a commandment to save a life, or lives, which would include defensive warfare on the Sabbath or Yom Kippur in certain exigencies, but would more normally cover driving or riding on the Sabbath in order to pick someone up by ambulance and treat them.

There is nothing which forbids Jews from touching or handling pigs--only from eating them. Jews in the tanning/leather trade deal in all manner of hides, including pigskin, without a problem, and dealing in pig bristles (for brushes) was a big business back in Eastern Europe. I have never heard of pigs being airlifted onto a Saudi airfield, though the thought is amusing.

Ditto.

/although airlifting pigs onto a Saudi airfield on Shabbat could be a problem. :)

292 aggieann  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

I have decided my ears are defective. It was obviously Dopey Change, not Hope and Change.

I thought it was Rope and Chains.

293 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:13pm

re: #285 Occasional Reader

Hey, neo-Nazis!

THIS JUST IN: Adolf Hitler is still dead.

(And the place where he killed himself is now a parking lot.)

BWAAHAHAHAHAA

There are some swell oil-stained shrines beneath the vehicles there.

294 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

Jews in the tanning/leather trade deal in all manner of hides, including pigskin, without a problem

So if we have an LGF meetup around Thanksgiving, you wouldn't mind tossing around the ol' pigskin with us?

295 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:28pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

Genius.

296 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Charles, if you have a moment, could you get back to me about the above query? Need info for ongoing project. My nick is blue.

297 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day!

298 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

WE HAVE A WINNER, FOLKS!

Brilliant.

299 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #287 gmsc

Everybody sing!

"When Der Fuehrer says, we is the master race..."

I prefer a HUGE production !~!

Youtube Video
300 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:42:16pm

re: #264 gmsc

Then we must sing...

Youtube Video

I love Mel Brooks.

301 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:42:20pm

re: #6 pegcity

Um Pam you do realize that once the Nazis were done with you it would be off to the oven with the other Juden right?

that's what i don't understand abt. her. it is some kind of willful blindness
abt. who she is dealing w/. she is being used. how can anyone be so naive.

302 jorline  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:42:29pm

bbl

303 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:42:47pm

re: #296 Cato the Elder

Charles, if you have a moment, could you get back to me about the above query? Need info for ongoing project. My nick is blue.

LET GO! If you keep squeezing it and it will turn purple!

304 transient  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:09pm

re: #97 tradewind

Never said that just voting for Obama constituted self hatred. But way back before Obama, there have been segments of America's Jewish population that, as we say down here, bless their hearts.... have voted for candidates whose agendas are in direct opposition to the benefit of the nation with which they (these voters) share emotional and cultural ties.
I don't get it. I understand and respect the beginnings...the identification with the American Civil Rights movement... but it has gone so far past that into idiocy.


Then I misunderstood your post.
The Jewish Vote is a recurring theme--people who cannot understand why Israel would not be a primary voting issue for American Jews. Others have answered this far better than I can (maybe the best answers should be linked like Nekama's Troll Hammer).

All my Jewish friends and family (at least, the ones I talk to) are fairly typical Jewish liberals and I am now pegged as the "right winger" (hich I suspect most on this site would find laughable) Most American Jews are first and foremost Americans and they vote on those issues. Israel may be secondary or tertiary or not even on the chart.

I can speak with some personal experience because Israel wasn't a voting issue for me until Arafat's 2000 terror war, when it became clear that Israel was again under existential threat. Historically American presidential candidates, regardless of party affiliation, promise to support Israel, and when they get into office they do whatever they want: their primary mandate is to look after American, not Israeli interests. At different times Reps and Dems presidents have all pressured Israel. So until GWB showed a very determined support for Israel in words and deeds, it was hard to make much of party differences, and before 2000, it didn't seem to matter.

There are still a lot of Jews who think religious fundamentalists are more of a threat (the Christians threatening their civil liberties in America, the Jewish fundamentalists threatening "peace process" in Israel). So these people do not believe that supporting Jewish /Israeli "hard-liners" is really in Israeli interests.
It's a different world.

---
Gotta run: work/ friend mini-crisis.

305 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

re: #300 Honorary Yooper

GMTA

306 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:17pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

LOL! GMTA!

307 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:19pm

re: #292 aggieann

I thought it was Rope and Chains.

That's coming later, when you hope he changes

308 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:25pm
309 KenJen  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:28pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

Ohh bop bop bop. Too good!

310 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

I have decided my ears are defective. It was obviously Dopey Change, not Hope and Change.

It all comes from a very confusing moment in history.
Nancy Pelosi ate a large bag of Cheeto's, and washed em down with a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew.
When asked who should be the Democratic nominee.
She opened her mouth and the belch came out uncontrollably.
*BAAAAARRRRRAAAACCCKKKK*

311 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:44:03pm

re: #56 Cato the Elder

"Lionheart", of course, is a frequent poster on JW.

Charles, help me out: I seem to remember a post here on LGF spotlighting an article on GoV that pretty much came out and said "it's OK to be a racist" - more or less in those words. The quote I'm remembering went something like "Take a deep breath and say it. I'm a racist. There, that wasn't so bad, was it?"

Is my mind playing me false? I can't find the post here and a search of GoV turns up nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if Baron Bullshit has poured it down the oubliette, but perhaps there's a cache. Any leads?

Try this:

[Link: www.google.com...]

312 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:44:13pm

re: #298 Occasional Reader

WE HAVE A WINNER, FOLKS!

Brilliant.

It really was genius! I would have thought of that and posted it..But it probably would have taken me to mid august to polish it up..
Damn Rawmuse..Homerun!

313 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:45:00pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

They paved th' Third Reich and put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swingin' hot spot
Don't it always seem to go
Nazis don't know he was shot when he's gone
They paved th' Third Reich and put up a parking lot

Ooooh, bop bop bop
Ooooh, bop bop bop

The Russkis took his skull bits and put 'em in a skull museum
And they charged the people a ruble and a half just to see them
No, no, no
Don't it always seem to go
Nazis don't know he was shot when he's gone
They paved th' Third Reich and put up a parking lot

314 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:45:22pm
But Charles is all about Charles' fantasies. FACTS ARE IRRELEVANT. It's all about putting my name, my blog and neo-nazi in the headline so that's what comes up in the google search results.

He is attempting to smear my reputation and my good name. What a misery to be Charles Johnson.

What reputation and good name would that be, exactly?

315 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:45:48pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

It really was genius! I would have thought of that and posted it..But it probably would have taken me to mid august to polish it up..
Damn Rawmuse..Homerun!

Yep, I'm @#$*ing jealous, too.

316 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:45:53pm

I can't camp out/lurk here all day like I used to, but when I chime in, I like to count :)

317 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #260 jcm

Who cooked up the Department of Homeland Security?
GWB!

BTW, I'm not over fond of the name my self.

I would have preferred Department of Whoop Ass.......
/

318 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #296 Cato the Elder

Charles, if you have a moment, could you get back to me about the above query? Need info for ongoing project. My nick is blue.

Check out Baron Bodissey's comment on this thread:

[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

319 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #277 Occasional Reader

However, to confuse things further; Mussolini started out his political life as a socialist.

To my understanding, socialists believing in controling industry, fascists in colluding with it. Sounds different, but really in colluding with a few well-connected big buisnesses fascists will effectively limit other private enterprise as much as socialists.
Depending on the government in question, their methods have been very similar despite nominally different goals.
Both ideologies are very big on "unity", for fascists of the state, for Nazis of the race, for socialists/communists of the worker. Not too far from Islam, of the Ummah.
It's all tribalism as an excuse for a power grab, when you boil it down.

320 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:46:59pm

Geller has a bit of the narcissistic/histrionic about her: she needs to picture herself at the centre of everything important. I doubt she even understands why she acts as she does.

321 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:47:26pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

I prefer a HUGE production !~!


www.youtube.com...]>

Still hilarious after all these years.

322 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:47:29pm

re: #269 taxfreekiller

Nonsense:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The Mafia has pretty much been a back number since Reagan hammered them in the Eighties. I tend to agree with Senator Lieberman; the drug cartels are the single biggest and most powerful OrgCrime entity around today.

However, the Mexican cartels are strictly second-level players. They don't produce the majority of the drugs they sell across the Ro Grande; for the most part, they're middlemen, importing cocaine from the Colombian cartels, heroin from the Far East, and "counterfeit" prescription drugs from (mostly) the former WARPAC countries. (It's easier to get such things across the border there than it is through, say, the Port of New York. The other main pipeline from Europe is through Canada.)

As for other drugs, like marijuana and meth, they're almost entirely domestically-produced here in the U.S. today. (Some "homegrown" strains of "maryjane" pack so much THC that it crystallizes on the leaves -they make the legendary "Acapulco Gold" look like watercress in terms of how hard they pound the brain.)

Stopping the flow of drugs north, and money and some weapons south across the Mexican border is a start. But until they deal with (a) consumption here (the money half) and (b) the actual drug producers (who aren't in Mexico, no matter what Eric Holder believes), this is just more useless posturing by the powers that be.

/Just MPO

cheers

eon

323 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:47:39pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

Take a bow sir.

324 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:48:05pm
325 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:48:19pm

re: #311 Charles

Try this:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Whew.

326 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:48:54pm

re: #216 spinoneone

The National Socialist Democratic Party of the US seems to be going where the 1933 European version did. Just look at the "Department of Homeland Security" memo on right wing threats. Don't you just love that Department name? I mean, after all, "Homeland Security?" Reminds one of Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles.....all over again. The Nazi Brown Shirts were the SSD - Stats Sicherheits Dienst [State Security Service].

Well ,, truth be told, they were going to call it the DEPARTMENT TO KEEP AN EYE ON SPINONEONE,,,but they figured it would limit their budget requests!

327 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #317 LGoPs

I would have preferred Department of Whoop Ass.......
/

I like Dept. of War.

Defense makes it sound so, passive, like we'll only defend our selves.

I want bad guys to think that if they look cross eyed at us, their word is gonna' end.......

328 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:49:13pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

In any event, I'd have no objection to tossing the pigskin other than my utter aversion to football in any form.

That is a sentiment I can agree with!

329 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:50:00pm

re: #267 NY Nana

She will attack Charles yet again, and only make herself look even worse, if it is possible.

And her toadies will be an echo chamber.

And next? The video of Atlas and her 4 daughters, all spitting at Charles, as soon as Atlas' makeup artist, wig maker, etc. finish her preparations, and then? This:

Youtube Video

You're wicked-funny!

330 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:50:01pm

re: #310 DEZes

It all comes from a very confusing moment in history.
Nancy Pelosi ate a large bag of Cheeto's, and washed em down with a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew.
When asked who should be the Democratic nominee.
She opened her mouth and the belch came out uncontrollably.
*BAAAAARRRRRAAAACCCKKKK*


ROTFLMAO, another great moment by DEZes.

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:50:37pm

re: #321 Bobblehead

Still hilarious after all these years.

Name something Mel Brooks cooked up that wasn't !

332 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:50:43pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

There is nothing which forbids Jews from touching or handling pigs--only from eating them.

Ahem. Ahem sendwich.

333 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:50:52pm

re: #327 jcm

I like Dept. of War.

Defense makes it sound so, passive, like we'll only defend our selves.

I want bad guys to think that if they look cross eyed at us, their word is gonna' end.......

Kind of funny that we have a dept of security and defense. Rather redundant. We might as well not mince words about purpose and call them "dept of military" and "dept of spies" or something obvious.

334 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:51:17pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

Tell me you love basketball...Dislike of Football I can take..Not Basketball!
*falls to knees screaming out*
LOL

335 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:51:25pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

other than my utter aversion to football in any form.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?

/

336 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:00pm

(I'm not a football fan, either, unless it's beery football played with friends)

337 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:16pm

re: #320 Hhar

Geller has a bit of the narcissistic/histrionic about her: she needs to picture herself at the centre of everything important. I doubt she even understands why she acts as she does.

She's been ranting at Charles and about Charles for days now, both up front and behind the scenes. Frothing at the mouth, literally. She's furious that he never responded to her video jabs and she's trying to up the ante.

The woman is obesessed beyond reason, and badly in need of intervention before she hurts someone.

338 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:17pm

re: #330 callahan23

{Callahan}

339 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:18pm

re: #336 Occasional Reader

(I'm not a football fan, either, unless it's beery football played with friends)

(which is the same way I feel about golf)

340 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:26pm

Ancient Bloom County cartoon:

Mrs. Poobah is unhappy with the annual charity football game for the men's baldness clinic. She wants Milo Bloom please to explain football. "Boys butt each other with head like goats and throw pig. If mad at pig, EAT him, not throw him. "

" Bah! To phooey with great American culture!" she concludes.

341 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #328 Dianna

That is a sentiment I can agree with!

Same here. Doubled for basketball (sorry, Hoops) and baseball.

My favorite spectator sport? Honestly, pylon air racing.

/Gotta love the howl of Merlins and Wasp Majors

cheers

eon

342 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:52:50pm

Well I'm back. I read the link and from what I can gather the main cause of the protest was that a march on Saint George's Day was denied a permit while a march on Mohammed's birthday was granted. Several groups were involved in the protest including soccer thugs and, unfortunately, the BNP.

Two questions: Is protesting the contempt of Muslims for British troops wrong?
How do you exclude unsavory elements from such a protest?

343 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:53:07pm

re: #336 Occasional Reader

(I'm not a football fan, either, unless it's beery football played with friends)

Shirts and skins is fun to play with the ladies. ;)

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:53:25pm

re: #335 Occasional Reader

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?

/

Are you suggesting he belongs in the field gaol?

/

345 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:54:12pm

re: #342 USBeast

There's already a celebration of St. George's Day in Luton, see my link above, the whole pretext of the march was a lie.

346 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:54:15pm
347 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:54:24pm

re: #343 DEZes

Shirts and skins is fun to play with the ladies. ;)

Just for that, your team is playing the Boobs Not Bombs gals next Friday.

My advice? Bring a cheater coin to flip.

348 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #17 medaura18586

She is, "culturally Jewish." But rabid insanity overrides any religious or cultural affiliation, as well as the natural alliances or antipathies they entail.

JINO?

349 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #344 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you suggesting he belongs in the field gaol?

/

More like a firing squad. Okay, everyone... shotgun formation!

350 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

Body wax?

351 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:10pm

re: #347 OldLineTexan

Just for that, your team is playing the Boobs Not Bombs gals next Friday.

My advice? Bring a cheater coin to flip.

I think I will gouge out my eyes.

352 Specter  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:11pm

[Ed. note: This user account has been blocked.]

Take my name off of this site you fucking pc of shit charles.

I hope you meet the jihadis sword you fucking pussy

353 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:19pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

I have a godlike physique. It has often been compared to Buddah.

/

354 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #341 eon

Same here. Doubled for basketball (sorry, Hoops) and baseball.

My favorite spectator sport? Honestly, pylon air racing.

/Gotta love the howl of Merlins and Wasp Majors

cheers

eon

I could never down ding you for saying you don't like Basketball..
But my hands are shaking uncontrollably...:)

355 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:55:54pm

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

356 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #352 Specter

And before our very eyes ... poof!

357 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

So basically, you can't catch worth a shit, can you?

358 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:25pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

/Cancel my first

You're a Chippendale?

359 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:26pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I developed my godlike physique

The only problem there; the god is Ganesh.

360 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:28pm

re: #352 Specter

DE-CAF Specter ,,,,, DE-CAF

and oh yeah ,, PROZAC

AND ,, while your at it, one of those cool jackets with the arms tied in the back

361 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:30pm

Damn, Stinky is FAST!

362 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #357 Spare O'Lake

So basically, you can't catch worth a shit, can you?

But he doesn't drop stuff, either.

363 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

Missed it completely, another meltdown?

364 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:46pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

Whatever works!

365 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:56:59pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

His one and only comment.

366 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:10pm

Specter would rather lick the asses of Euro populist pols than support conservatism in the US, just like pam.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:18pm

Damn!
That was FAST!
Wha' hoppened?!

368 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:19pm

re: #352 Specter

[Typical whiney screed by a loser who is full of shit.]

Bye, asshole. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Of course, Specter will probably go to his counterfeit site buddies and claim he got banned for just being here. It's really pathetic what these twits do, IMHO.

369 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:22pm

re: #363 DEZes

Missed it completely, another meltdown?

A one-hit wonder!

370 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:23pm
371 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:24pm

re: #336 Occasional Reader

(I'm not a football fan, either, unless it's beery football played with friends)

I bet you like pom-poms!

372 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:26pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

I saw it going ....

373 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:30pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

Specter

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

1 for 1.... pretty good....
/////

374 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:31pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

Wow, who saw 352 coming?

I didn't even see it going. It had a half-life like that of one of those elements that can only be made in a particle accelerator.

375 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #341 eon

Same here. Doubled for basketball (sorry, Hoops) and baseball.

My favorite spectator sport? Honestly, pylon air racing.

/Gotta love the howl of Merlins and Wasp Majors

cheers

eon

Am I going to put myself beyond the pale if I confess to liking to watch fencing? I prefer foil to epee, too.

I can't do it, I admit, but I love to watch people who can.

376 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:52pm

I've restored that comment, so people can see what's going on here. Reload the page to see it.

377 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #365 debutaunt

His one and only comment.

what was the subject?

378 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #363 DEZes

Missed it completely, another meltdown?

a ONE and DONE

One Post ,,,14 Karma (wasn;t here long enough to get more) GONZO

379 Lincolntf  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:05pm

Did you guys see this? D'oh! DC being DC

380 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:11pm

re: #372 Lynn B.

I saw it going ....

I heard a pop, didn't see a thing.

381 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #378 sattv4u2

a ONE and DONE

One Post ,,,1 -4 Karma (wasn;t here long enough to get more) GONZO

PIMF

382 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

Football is the one team sport I enjoy watching. Alpha male thing you know. Basketball used to be ok until they started wearing those long baggy shorts. They look like culottes. Very unattractive from a female point of view.

383 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #373 jcm

Specter

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

1 for 1.... pretty good....
/////

Looks like he may have been someone's sockpuppet here. Possibly used to spy on the ratings?

384 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #376 Charles

I've restored that comment, so people can see what's going on here. Reload the page to see it.

thanks ,,, but seeing it once was enough for me

385 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #375 Dianna

Am I going to put myself beyond the pale if I confess to liking to watch fencing? I prefer foil to epee, too.

I can't do it, I admit, but I love to watch people who can.

Never seen fencing, though I'd like to. I assume you can only find it at poncy east coast college campuses?

386 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #373 jcm

Specter

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

1 for 1.... pretty good....
/////

IIRC deleted comments don't count towards your total. There is still one posted somewhere.

387 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:59:17pm

re: #346 buzzsawmonkey

I've never been a big one for participating in, or watching, team sports. I developed my godlike physique by schlepping antique furniture.

No team sports? How about a little one on one? I love dropping godlike physiques in the lane..
/just teasing ya buzz

388 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 2:59:51pm

re: #375 Dianna

Am I going to put myself beyond the pale if I confess to liking to watch fencing? I prefer foil to epee, too.

I can't do it, I admit, but I love to watch people who can.

I'll do it, as long as it's not sabre. I think I still remember the first six positions.

389 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #382 Bobblehead

You would prefer the "booty shorts"?

390 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #377 brookly red

what was the subject?

never mind...

391 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:21pm

re: #308 buzzsawmonkey

Don't recall that incident.

I may still have it. It is unspeakable.

392 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:39pm

re: #289 rawmuse

You mean...
They paved the Third Reich and put up a parking lot?

And to humbly complete the irony, I hope the proprieter of the parking lot is Jewish.

393 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:57pm

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

Perhaps it should be changed to "Atlas, Drugged."

I like "Atlas' Jugs."

Here's a job Pam's actually qualified for.

394 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #388 OldLineTexan

I'll do it, as long as it's not sabre. I think I still remember the first six positions.

[Link: www.cartoonbank.com...]

395 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #385 nikis-knight

Never seen fencing, though I'd like to. I assume you can only find it at poncy east coast college campuses?

I fenced at Rice in Houston.

I wasn't in "The Club".

/they cheated, turned me right off

396 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #388 OldLineTexan

I'll do it, as long as it's not sabre. I think I still remember the first six positions.

I learned. Once, I wasn't horrible (I wasn't good, either). My Male's quite good with sabre.

397 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #388 OldLineTexan

I'll do it, as long as it's not sabre.

What does airline booking have to do with any of this?

398 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #327 jcm

I like Dept. of War.

Defense makes it sound so, passive, like we'll only defend our selves.

I want bad guys to think that if they look cross eyed at us, their word is gonna' end.......

DOD was the War Department until the Truman Administration. The change came on September 17, 1947, about the time the United States Army Air Force became the United States Air Force. Truman replaced Henry L. Stimson, the last Secretary of War (and a holdover from FDR), with James V. Forrestal (formerly SecNav), and changed the name of the Department, and the office, to Defense at the same time.

IMHO, the old title was more to the point- screw with us, and we will obliterate you.

cheers

eon

399 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:35pm

re: #352 Specter

The only way it appears if you make a comment.

Good Riddance.

400 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:37pm

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.


Link.

401 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:48pm

Well that was interesting. Would that be an IP address of someone who used to be here?

402 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #385 nikis-knight

Never seen fencing, though I'd like to. I assume you can only find it at poncy east coast college campuses?

I learned at San Francisco State. Really, it's taught all over the place. If you look around, you might even find a club.

403 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:02:14pm

re: #388 OldLineTexan

I think I still remember the first six positions.

That's disgusting, and inappropriate for this...

oh, "six" positions. Gotcha.

404 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:02:24pm

re: #352 Specter

Go fuck yourself, you fucking bastard.

405 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:02:24pm

re: #394 debutaunt

[Link: www.cartoonbank.com...]

The jerk with the sabre came at me SCREAMING. I ducked sideways and cut at his knees. As it turns out, that's not allowed. ;)

406 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:02:54pm

re: #389 UberInfidel67

You would prefer the "booty shorts"?

I confess a certain fondness for the style of uniform worn when I was in college. That would be many years ago.

407 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #339 Occasional Reader

(which is the same way I feel about golf)

Friends don't let friends play golf.

408 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:03:56pm

re: #404 MandyManners

Go fuck yourself, you fucking bastard.

And the horse he rode in on.

409 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:03:57pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.


Link.

Hey, sauce for the goose, pal. I hope he enjoys. It's stupid, but it was stupid to call the Bush "regime" (another lefty fave) fascist as well.

See, once you dumb down the populace, they're dumb. DUH.

410 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #376 Charles

I've restored that comment, so people can see what's going on here. Reload the page to see it.

And to think, somewhere a mother gave birth to Specter.
She has my sympathy.

411 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:14pm

re: #406 Bobblehead
I remember the boys basketball team playing in their booty shorts in high school. Ahhhhhhhhh........................

412 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:17pm

re: #407 LGoPs

Friends don't let friends play golf.

Robin Williams on golf... (Frequent F-bomb warning)

Youtube Video
413 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:22pm

re: #352 Specter

Phil?

414 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:22pm

Minus 19 already and counting down, will he get the record for downdings on a single comment?

415 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:28pm

re: #376 Charles

I've restored that comment, so people can see what's going on here. Reload the page to see it.

Thank you.
Calling it an assh*le would be compliment.

416 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:33pm

re: #409 OldLineTexan

Good point.

417 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:35pm

re: #352 Specter

This guy would need three promotions to be an asshole.

418 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:04:54pm

BBIAM

419 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #417 ArchangelMichael

This guy would need three promotions to be an asshole.

I am so stealing that. ;)

420 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:05:40pm

re: #383 Honorary Yooper

Looks like he may have been someone's sockpuppet here. Possibly used to spy on the ratings?

Huh! I hadn't thought of that as a use for a sock.
Interesting!

421 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:05:45pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

I have a godlike physique. It has often been compared to Buddah.

First, Buddha said to tell you it's all right you spelled his name wrong, it's all relative.

Second, are you sure you don't look more like Hotei*?

I know I do.


*Chinese god of happiness.

422 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:03pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

No team sports? How about a little one on one? I love dropping godlike physiques

Get a room, you two!

/

423 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:07pm

re: #414 Thanos

Minus 19 already and counting down, will he get the record for downdings on a single comment?

He will if we can help it. ;)

424 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:11pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.


Link.

Using fascist for Obama is stupid (right now, and hopefully/probably always). The left taught us the last eight years that fascist means nothing, it is just a word you call someone you don't like, however, regardless of a lack of similarity between the target and those who formerly took the appelation upon themselves.
I'm not saying it's right to use in revenge, just that it's little more than turn-about.

425 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:12pm

re: #414 Thanos

Minus 19 already and counting down, will he get the record for downdings on a single comment?

Annefrance is still the one to beat.

426 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:15pm

I am going to power down, we are having electrical problems here in SF. Later, kids.

427 Mad Mullah  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.

Link.

Liberals today have a lot in common with fascists, so I can certainly see how the terms are interchangeble sometimes.

428 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #413 wrenchwench

Phil?

Arlen.

429 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:06:59pm

re: #419 DEZes

I am so stealing that. ;)

Well I stole it from Christopher Walken's Sgt Toomey in Biloxi Blues so be my guest.

430 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:07pm

re: #421 Cato the Elder


*Chinese god of happiness.

Is there also a Chinese god of suckitude?

431 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:13pm

re: #375 Dianna

Am I going to put myself beyond the pale if I confess to liking to watch fencing? I prefer foil to epee, too.

I can't do it, I admit, but I love to watch people who can.

I've never understood what people like about fencing. I had some fencers put up a wooden one for me recently. Chain link may have been more exciting but I guess it's a matter of personal preference......Pretty boring watching them overall IMO.
/// :)

432 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:19pm

re: #411 UberInfidel67

I remember the boys basketball team playing in their booty shorts in high school. Ahhhhhhhhh........................

Brings back memories. Not much to look at on a basketball court now except over sized shorts flapping around the legs. Nasty.

433 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:29pm

re: #414 Thanos

Minus 19 already and counting down, will he get the record for downdings on a single comment?

Annefrance's record is safe, for now.

434 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:37pm

I'm just trying to find the words.

John Derbyshire (fellow Brit expat) has noted that Germany, after decades of Bismarckian statism, became Prussianised. he quoted Jerome K Jerome:

You get yourself born," says the German government to the German citizen, "we do the rest. Indoors and out of doors, in sickness and in health, in pleasure and in work, we will tell you what to do, and we will see to it that you do it. Don't you worry yourself about anything."

And the German doesn't. Where there is no policeman to be found, he wanders about till he comes to a police notice posted on a wall. This he reads; then he goes and does what it says.

That is what happens to a national character when the state intrudes to the degree of Bismarck's state. It's not something genetic to Germans; it's been happening to Britain too. Britain, now, is a nation of sneaks. The Telegraph thinks it's "diversity" that's doing it; but whatever I personally think of the "diversity" racket, that's not the problem. The same article could have been written about home protection or waste management or just driving. I could dig up links about British gun laws, recycling / environmental laws, the famous traffic cameras, the ban on fox hunting, the explosion of Britons in government employment but you've probably been to the same sites I've been to. The problem is a state which cannot leave the citizens alone. Now too many of the citizens are like the last century's Germans, hordes of bleating lost sheep looking for anything that looks like a shepherd.

Now here we have the BNP; on the "right" culturally, sure, but very definitely Left economically. Here we have a party that thinks the Bismarckianisation of Britain isn't a problem, and maybe hasn't gone far enough - except that it has been benefiting minorities rather than "british nationals".

If such a party gets more influence, and holds the balance of power in Britain, all the restrictions which have driven the British economy into negative territory won't be stopped. The economy will continue to fail. But there will be the added twist the Germans are well versed in: battles in the streets as Muslim extremists, and Leftists, and the BNP find their excuse to discredit British democracy. Whoever gets in after this chaos as the "man on the white horse", even if it's not under the BNP label, is going to be an opportunist at best (I don't want to think about "worst" in this scenario).

Saying that the BNP is a disgrace is letting it off too easy. It is a pack of hyenas stalking a weakened body politic.

And to think that Pamela Gellar on THIS day of all days decides to support those civic bandits beggars belief. How does somebody go so wrong?

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:07:43pm

re: #399 jcm

The only way it appears if you make a comment.

Good Riddance.

I'm resisting the temptation to give it another whack with SockPuppy.
That'd be juvenile on my part.

436 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #376 Charles

I've restored that comment, so people can see what's going on here. Reload the page to see it.

I wonder how many of these IEA's* are laying around here just beneath the surface, just waiting to be triggered?

* Improvised Explosive Assholes

437 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #431 LGoPs

I've never understood what people like about fencing. I had some fencers put up a wooden one for me recently. Chain link may have been more exciting but I guess it's a matter of personal preference......Pretty boring watching them overall IMO.
/// :)


White picket fencing is an American tradition, sir, and I won't have you disparage it.

438 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:08:33pm

re: #375 Dianna

Am I going to put myself beyond the pale if I confess to liking to watch fencing? I prefer foil to epee, too.

I can't do it, I admit, but I love to watch people who can.

I like fencing, but I prefer saber.

/Or better yet, katana.

cheers

eon

439 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:08:35pm

re: #402 Dianna

I learned at San Francisco State.

Okay.

"I learned at San Francisco."

Now what?

440 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:08:39pm

re: #414 Thanos

Thanos, for what little time I have been able to be here as of late, I have seen 2 of those posts recently.

It is like Tourette's posting. No build up, no crescendo, just poof.

I don't know what to make of it.

In the back of my mind, it seems like a moby angle. I don't have a reason why I think that, just a gut thing.

441 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:09:01pm

re: #437 nikis-knight

White picket fencing is an American tradition, sir, and I won't have you disparage it.

Racist!

442 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:09:07pm

re: #393 SixDegrees

I like "Atlas' Jugs."

Here's a job Pam's actually qualified for.

Not really. Up close, the cracked leather face and alcohol breath would scare away everyone but the Hell's Angels.

443 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:09:46pm

I like football. Unfortunately the team I grew up with, Da Bears, have had only a passing aquaintence with the sport for most of my life....
/

444 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:25pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.

Link.

Both are Authoritarian, they arrive at Authoritarianism by different routes. There are differences but the bottom line. Both are anti-individual Liberty.

445 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:26pm

re: #439 Occasional Reader

Okay.

"I learned at San Francisco."

Now what?

That I was too mild a sicko.

446 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:27pm

re: #412 jcm

Robin Williams on golf... (Frequent F-bomb warning)

Golf. .....
F*ck no, 18 f*cking times.
Great LOL's.

447 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:30pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

I could never down ding you for saying you don't like Basketball..
But my hands are shaking uncontrollably...:)

Hoops , as the in residence basketball expert, in your opinion do the Bulls have a chance against the Celtics? Say yes.

448 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:36pm

re: #429 ArchangelMichael

Well I stole it from Christopher Walken's Sgt Toomey in Biloxi Blues so be my guest.

Never saw that movie.
*Makes note*

449 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:10:42pm

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

450 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

No, I think that was Mission Impossible; KAOS was the villain in Get Smart.

451 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:18pm

re: #437 nikis-knight

White picket fencing is an American tradition, sir, and I won't have you disparage it.

No need to get defenceive about it......
/ :)

452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:21pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

No, in James Bond movies ("SPECTRE"). The Get Smart spoof version was KAOS.

453 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:22pm

re: #438 eon

Or better yet, katana.

Having seen your avatar, I would have NEVER guessed!

:D

454 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:25pm

re: #433 Alouette

Annefrance's record is safe, for now.

?

455 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:28pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

I thought it was James Bond.

456 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #435 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm resisting the temptation to give it another whack with SockPuppy.
That'd be juvenile on my part.

Maybe somebody take a sock as "specter" and post frequently.....

457 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:46pm

re: #434 Zimriel

Germany is the only place where I've ever been yelled at for jaywalking. By civilians. With no moving traffic in sight.

458 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:54pm
459 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:11:54pm

LAST THOUGHT ON THE SPECTER MELTDOWN

Opening comment was "Take my name off of this site you,,,,,,,,"

ummm, NOBODY would have seen 'your name" if you didn't (wait for it )

POST !

460 Colonel Panik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:12:08pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

No, that was K.A.O.S.

You're thinking of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

461 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:12:23pm

re: #454 SixDegrees

?

Oh, it's too bad you missed that.

It's been a while ... someone may have a link

462 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:12:33pm

re: #442 Cato the Elder

Not really. Up close, the cracked leather face and alcohol breath would scare away everyone but the Hell's Angels.

It only has to look decent at 25 mph in this case.

Sort of like my lawn.

463 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:12:49pm

re: #22 Wishing

Maybe these groups offered to hit her blog a few times a day, and she just sold out.
/spit

Possibly. As pissed and disgusted as I get at the Islamists, I just can't hold hands with skin heads to 'get the job done.'

464 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:12:49pm

re: #450 goddessoftheclassroom

No, I think that was Mission Impossible; KAOS was the villain in Get Smart.

Specter was the Man from Uncle, no?

465 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #460 Colonel Panik

No, that was K.A.O.S.

You're thinking of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

To this day my wife will NOT^ beleive that "Ducky" from NCIS was Illya Kuriakin(sp?) on The Man From Uncle

466 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #456 jcm

But don't you think if they are here, they would have to realize the IP address is going to be known?

This has been pointed out many times before.

467 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:10pm

re: #457 Cato the Elder

Germany is the only place where I've ever been yelled at for jaywalking. By civilians. With no moving traffic in sight.

I saw you type in German earlier, so I guess the joke that they were actually being friendly and shouting greetings would not go over.

468 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #460 Colonel Panik

No, that was K.A.O.S.

That's right. Wasn't their main agent Doctor Bricker?
;)

469 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:28pm

oh, that was thrush, my bad.

470 Colonel Panik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:34pm

No, I'm wrong, James Bond. Villains in TMFU were T.H.R.U.S.H.

And no I can't remember what it stands for, and I'm too lazy to google it.

471 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:54pm

re: #457 Cato the Elder

Germany is the only place where I've ever been yelled at for jaywalking. By civilians. With no moving traffic in sight.

That's reminds me of a quote I read today from Jackie Chan, via NRO Impromtus, "The Chinese are a people that need to be controlled." The lure of authoritarianism is strong.

472 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:13:58pm

The banner ad at the top right now says "Ann Coulter - Free!"

Lose the hyphen and I could really get behind that idea.

473 Silvergirl  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #411 UberInfidel67

I remember the boys basketball team playing in their booty shorts in high school. Ahhhhhhhhh........................

Booty shorts are only for athletic body types. Basketball players qualify. Bill Clinton did not. Remember those too short shorts he wore?

It's probably good they wear the baggy shorts now. I'm really not liking all the inked up bodies on players, and they'd probably be tatted from butt cheek to knee if it could be shown off.

474 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.


Link.

Avanti, what did you think when Al Gore shrieked "He betrayed this country" referring to President Bush? I doubt that you think that Bush is a traitor, but were you offended by Gore?

475 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:25pm

re: #460 Colonel Panik

No, that was K.A.O.S.

You're thinking of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

THRUSH

476 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:26pm

I wonder which former banned Lizard the specter sock is.

any guesses?

477 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:38pm

re: #446 callahan23

Golf. .....
F*ck no, 18 f*cking times.
Great LOL's.

There's a longer version of the whole bit.

478 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #474 opnion

Avanti, what did you think when Al Gore shrieked "He betrayed this country" referring to President Bush? I doubt that you think that Bush is a traitor, but were you offended by Gore?

Avanti does not take Gore serially.

/

479 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #352 Specter

excellent rational discourse.

480 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:16pm

re: #464 brookly red

Specter was the Man from Uncle, no?

GAAAAH

No no no no! What kind of pop culture nerds are you guys?

SPECTRE was the baddie organization in the Bond films. KAOS, spoof version in Get Smart. The Man from UNCLE (UN Council on Law Enforcment) was Napoleon Solo. Sheesh!

481 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:23pm

SPECTRE

SPECTRE (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) is a fictional global terrorist organisation featured in the James Bond novels by Ian Fleming,

482 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:24pm

Ron Paul, featured speaker at the Clear Lake, Texas tea party:

Vimeo
483 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #476 Shug

That Holy-whatever guy that tried to register 8 sockpuppets a few days ago?

484 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:51pm

re: #482 Charles

Ron Paul, featured speaker at the Clear Lake, Texas tea party:

[Link: vimeo.com...]

Well ,, it's nice to see he has work!

485 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:51pm

re: #481 sattv4u2

SPECTRE

SPECTRE (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) is a fictional global terrorist organisation featured in the James Bond novels by Ian Fleming,

Sounds a lot like international ANSWER

486 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:55pm

re: #470 Colonel Panik

No, I'm wrong, James Bond. Villains in TMFU were T.H.R.U.S.H.

And no I can't remember what it stands for, and I'm too lazy to google it.

Happy to oblige.

Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion.

487 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:15:59pm

re: #457 Cato the Elder

Germany is the only place where I've ever been yelled at for jaywalking. By civilians. With no moving traffic in sight.

My brother was almost ticketed in Washington D.C. for jaywalking. This was back in '77. He would probably be serving a life sentence now. /

488 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:07pm

re: #473 Silvergirl

Booty shorts are only for athletic body types. Basketball players qualify. Bill Clinton did not. Remember those too short shorts he wore?

It's probably good they wear the baggy shorts now. I'm really not liking all the inked up bodies on players, and they'd probably be tatted from butt cheek to knee if it could be shown off.

You have a valid point there. The tattoo thing is also very nasty.

489 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:09pm

re: #459 sattv4u2

LAST THOUGHT ON THE SPECTER MELTDOWN

Opening comment was "Take my name off of this site you,,,,,,,,"

ummm, NOBODY would have seen 'your name" if you didn't (wait for it )

POST !

This could easily be over-thinking it, but ... could it have been a sock of a banned lizard who still has comments showing on the site? That's the only way I get that wording to make any sense.

490 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:09pm

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

491 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:14pm

re: #442 Cato the Elder

Not really. Up close, the cracked leather face and alcohol breath would scare away everyone but the Hell's Angels.

She reminds me of the old lady tanning freak in "There's Something About Mary"

1:28 in

Youtube Video
492 Colonel Panik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:14pm

All I have to say about this thread is,

"YOBS SAVE THE QUEEN!"

493 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:14pm

re: #447 opnion

Hoops , as the in residence basketball expert, in your opinion do the Bulls have a chance against the Celtics? Say yes.

I do feel they have a real fighting chance...Read Bill Simmons take on the Celtics today...He is one step away from hanging himself..LOL
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Kind regards!

494 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:16:28pm

re: #482 Charles

Ron Paul, featured speaker at the Clear Lake, Texas tea party:

[Link: vimeo.com...]

They have to keep him close to NASA, as his body cannot withstand long exposure to our Earth atmosphere.

495 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:09pm

re: #352 Specter

Specter, we hardly knew ye!

496 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:17pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

Pissed British or pissed American? Both? How do you know these things?

/

497 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:23pm

re: #432 Bobblehead
I wonder if booty shorts on men will ever come back in style? Other stupid fads have.

498 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:30pm

re: #478 OldLineTexan

Avanti does not take Gore serially.

/

The science is settled , Gore is a duffus.

499 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:31pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

Drunk again, eh? Well, the sun is over the yardarm.

(Always is, somewhere in the world.)

500 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:40pm

re: #486 SixDegrees


re: #470 Colonel Panik

No, I'm wrong, James Bond. Villains in TMFU were T.H.R.U.S.H.

And no I can't remember what it stands for, and I'm too lazy to google it.

Happy to oblige.

Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion.

That spells THRUSH?!

Must be that Hooked On Phonics stuff or something.

501 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:48pm

Ilya Kenishtkukken

502 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #482 Charles

At this rate I expect him to be on the short list for the next GOP nomination.

503 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:18:12pm

re: #400 avanti

I just read this link talking about using the fascist term for the Obama administration. It seems liberal and even socialist has lost the needed punch and they want to try fascist. That's will further confuse the issue by making a liberal into a fascist.

Link.

I prefer to refer to The One as "progressive". It is, after all, the term he chooses to use. It is also the term liberals applied to themselves until just after WWII. By that time, they had made "progressive" as much a "by-word and a hissing" (to borrow a phrase from E.E. "Doc" Smith), that they came up with "liberal" to disguise their origins and motivations, as did part of the Labour Party in the UK about the same time. ("New Labour" in the UK was formerly the Liberal Party, IIRC.)

Now that they have made "liberal" stink on ice as well, they're back in business at the same old stand, under their original monicker.

Maybe someday they'll figure out that it isn't what they call themselves that's their big problem- but I'm not holding my breath.

cheers

eon

504 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:18:24pm

re: #471 nikis-knight

That's reminds me of a quote I read today from Jackie Chan, via NRO Impromtus, "The Chinese are a people that need to be controlled." The lure of authoritarianism is strong.

I read that too and am wondering which family member the chi-coms have in a re-education camp.

505 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:00pm

re: #502 Killgore Trout

At this rate I expect him to be on the short list for the next GOP nomination.

Why not? He was on the last one.

506 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

But do they still share bedbugs?
Iquiring minds want to know.

507 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

Yep, they're raving like lunatics again.

508 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:43pm

re: #495 BatGuano

Specter, we hardly knew ye!

Yes ... *whimper*
I'm feeling very socially-deprived at the moment.

/

509 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #409 OldLineTexan

Hey, sauce for the goose, pal. I hope he enjoys. It's stupid, but it was stupid to call the Bush "regime" (another lefty fave) fascist as well.

See, once you dumb down the populace, they're dumb. DUH.

Seems odd that both Bush and BHO could be labeled as fascists, neither were, nor were they close politically, but it is a nasty label at least.

510 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #493 HoosierHoops

I do feel they have a real fighting chance...Read Bill Simmons take on the Celtics today...He is one step away from hanging himself..LOL
[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]
Kind regards!

Thank you Hoops, right answer, you pass.

511 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:19:57pm

re: #485 Shug

Sounds a lot like international ANSWER

I don't care who they were; I want those electrified side chairs for my conference room!

512 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:03pm

Spencer sez.....

Johnson has libeled me repeatedly, and is manifestly trying to destroy my reputation. I am going to respond as necessary.


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

513 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #497 UberInfidel67

You know UI, if you are really missing that fad, a day at the beach in Wildwood, N.J. with the 400lb, hairy, french candian guys in speedo's might quench that thirst.

Summer is right around the corner.....


Take it easy, I'm heading home.

514 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:14pm

re: #480 Occasional Reader

GAAAAH

No no no no! What kind of pop culture nerds are you guys?

SPECTRE was the baddie organization in the Bond films. KAOS, spoof version in Get Smart. The Man from UNCLE (UN Council on Law Enforcment) was Napoleon Solo. Sheesh!

GI Joe has had psychopathic Cobra for a few decades now. New movie this year. Go Scarlet.

515 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:16pm

Thank you Charles. I saw this on many blogs and when some commentators pointed out that one of the demonstrators was doing the Nazi salute, he was silenced.
With Pamela's hysterical way of writing , the ugly site and colors choice (does that say anything about the site owner?), her refusal to explain her support of "lionheart", using a Nazi as a source for her information and refusing to address that even after her commentators pointed it out (as long as he bashes Obama, it's OK, she will use anyone as a source), and with that banner "Dancing from Genesis" on her front page, her site is a hell of an experience.

She is concerned "Charles is smearing her" and her site will appear in Google associated with Nazis, well actually, she is getting praise from them - that should make her more worried. More and more of the likes of "Lionheart" will be among her nice crowed.

516 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:35pm

re: #509 avanti

Seems odd that both Bush and BHO could be labeled as fascists, neither were, nor were they close politically, but it is a nasty label at least.

Hey, talk is cheap, right? And the MSM pretty much let it go unchallenged for eight years.

517 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

I hope he does!

518 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:50pm

re: #497 UberInfidel67

I wonder if booty shorts on men will ever come back in style? Other stupid fads have.

If they do, I'll probably be too old to appreciate them..

519 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:20:50pm
On the other hand, Pamela Geller has made a very deliberate choice to associate with and promote the most disgusting, vile fascist parties in Europe, including the BNP, the National Front, and the Vlaams Belang. And she continues to viciously attack me for pointing it out, even projecting her own associations onto me in an act of deliberate deception.

She associates with the worst scum, the dregs of humanity. If Pamela Geller were any lower, she'd be a 21st century Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

520 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:04pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

Is he unable to compose a strongly-worded letter by himself?

/

521 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:17pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

Screw that.

THUNDERDOME!

522 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:19pm
523 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:24pm

re: #507 Charles

Yep, they're raving like lunatics again.

"again" implies they took a break

524 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

Boo hoo.

Does she have a trampoline yet?

525 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:31pm

re: #482 Charles

Ron Paul, featured speaker at the Clear Lake, Texas tea party:

[Link: vimeo.com...]

I thought the Tea Party organizers said they weren't going to have any elected officials speaking? Or maybe that was just the organizers of one tea party, where they told Michael Steele that he couldn't speak.

526 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:38pm

re: #500 Occasional Reader

That spells THRUSH?!

Must be that Hooked On Phonics stuff or something.

That lizards real name is Smith....spelled Throatwarblermangrove....
/

527 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

Wouldn't someone have to actually HAVE something before someone else could "destroy" it?

Just sayin!

528 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:41pm

problem for euroland is that there is not 'center' opposed to the islamization of europe.

you have either leftist who want to appease the muslims or neo nazi's who oppose them for racist reasons not because they are for freedom per say. frankly at this point i would leave euroland.

529 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:21:42pm

re: #514 Eowyn2

GI Joe has had psychopathic Cobra for a few decades now. New movie this year. Go Scarlet.

Partial to the Guild of Calamitous Intent myself

530 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

When aren't they, lately?

531 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:16pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

Ohh, I can't wait for this. A libel case based on being quoted........

532 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #507 Charles

Yep, they're raving like lunatics again.

Don't you mean 'still'?

533 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #531 jcm

Ohh, I can't wait for this. A libel case based on being quoted........

Hey, it works in Canada!

534 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:45pm

re: #474 opnion

Avanti, what did you think when Al Gore shrieked "He betrayed this country" referring to President Bush? I doubt that you think that Bush is a traitor, but were you offended by Gore?

I honestly don't recall that quote, but it is offensive. He could have said he made mistakes in his leadership, but "betraying" is a buzz word that was not appropriate.

535 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #529 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Partial to the Guild of Calamitous Intent myself

Especially Dr. Girlfriend!

536 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #514 Eowyn2

GI Joe has had psychopathic Cobra for a few decades now. New movie this year. Go Scarlet.

Okay pop culture nerds...Who played Napoleon Solo's boss ?

537 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:22:57pm

re: #486 SixDegrees

Happy to oblige.

Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion.

Thrush (always written as one word, not an acronym);

the Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity. (Formally known as "the Hierarchy" amongst its upper echelons.)

Supposedly founded by Professor James Moriarty prior to his unfortunate walk up to the Reichenbach Falls.

-Courtesy of the U.N.C.L.E. Archives office.

cheers

eon

538 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:05pm

re: #529 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Partial to the Guild of Calamitous Intent myself

Me, I'm a member of the League of Extra-Horny Gentlemen.

/shamlessly stolen from The Simpsons

539 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #482 Charles

Ron Paul, featured speaker at the Clear Lake, Texas tea party:

[Link: vimeo.com...]

A lot of Paulists in the crowd, Campaign for Liberty tees, Dope for America signs...

540 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #525 Last Mohican

It's a Paulian movement. Eric Odom, the organizer of the Chicago Tea party that refused Steele, is a Pualian too. We had a thread about it.

541 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:17pm

re: #517 Charles

I hope he does!

That'll be a hoot. How'd that work out for David Irving?

542 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:30pm

re: #308 buzzsawmonkey

Can't find the whole thing, but here is an idea of what she started.

543 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:31pm

re: #531 jcm

Ohh, I can't wait for this. A libel case based on being quoted........

Maybe he'll sue himself

544 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:38pm

re: #536 Bobblehead

Okay pop culture nerds...Who played Napoleon Solo's boss ?

Waverly?

545 pittrader1988  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:40pm

re: #507 Charles

I don't like their associations; but you have to admit that the muslim agenda in Great Britain is very scary to freedom. Using fringe groups to quash that agenda should not be in the playbook. But, I don't think it's noble to die in a gulag somewhere either-especially a muslim one.

546 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:47pm

re: #500 Occasional Reader

That spells THRUSH?!

Must be that Hooked On Phonics stuff or something.

Subject is the first sentence.

547 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:23:57pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

That was Kaos. Specter was Blofeld's organization from the James Bond series.

548 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #534 avanti

Gore's next line was."He played on our fears!"

549 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:25pm

re: #528 yochanan

problem for euroland is that there is not 'center' opposed to the islamization of europe.

you have either leftist who want to appease the muslims or neo nazi's who oppose them for racist reasons not because they are for freedom per say. frankly at this point i would leave euroland.

Which I am seriously considering.

550 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #524 SixDegrees

Boo hoo.

Does she have a trampoline yet?

She just needs to get the oline. ;)

551 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #537 eon

the Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity

But enough about Vlaams Belang...

552 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:42pm

re: #544 Spare O'Lake

Waverly?

Leo G. Carroll, aka "Topper".

cheers

eon

553 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #517 Charles

I hope he does!

I don't. A waste of your time and energy.

554 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:24:59pm

re: #546 SixDegrees

Subject is the first sentence.

..and what the predicate says, he does.

Youtube Video
555 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:15pm

re: #535 OldLineTexan

Especially Dr. Girlfriend!

Dr. Mrs. the Monarch as she is known now.

One of the guys I work with thinks she's a man. Can you believe that?

556 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #534 avanti

I honestly don't recall that quote, but it is offensive. He could have said he made mistakes in his leadership, but "betraying" is a buzz word that was not appropriate.

[Link: findarticles.com...]

557 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:24pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Spencer sez.....


He's on the phone to his lawyer now. Lol

Even more comedic is where he tries to say that VB aren't neofascist racists. That was a hoot.

558 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:34pm

re: #513 formercorpsman
You have just helped me out here. I am having a hard time losing a few extra pounds....with that lovely visual, I may be able to resist ever eating again!

**GAK**

559 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:36pm

re: #549 callahan23

Which I am seriously considering.

Indiana wants you.

560 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:46pm

re: #522 Spare O'Lake

Yuck!

561 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:25:51pm

re: #503 eon

I prefer to refer to The One as "progressive". It is, after all, the term he chooses to use. It is also the term liberals applied to themselves until just after WWII. By that time, they had made "progressive" as much a "by-word and a hissing" (to borrow a phrase from E.E. "Doc" Smith), that they came up with "liberal" to disguise their origins and motivations, as did part of the Labour Party in the UK about the same time. ("New Labour" in the UK was formerly the Liberal Party, IIRC.)

Now that they have made "liberal" stink on ice as well, they're back in business at the same old stand, under their original monicker.

Maybe someday they'll figure out that it isn't what they call themselves that's their big problem- but I'm not holding my breath.

cheers

eon

But in the meantime they do get a lot of mileage out of the stereotype their names represent. The irony is that they are anything but liberal or progressive. They are authoritarians and totalitarians, hellbent on dictating to others what to do and how to live.
They are despicable.

562 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:26:17pm

re: #534 avanti

I honestly don't recall that quote, but it is offensive. He could have said he made mistakes in his leadership, but "betraying" is a buzz word that was not appropriate.

Yeah, I thought that you would be fair.
Your friend still not smoking?

563 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:26:37pm

re: #507 Charles

Yep, they're raving like lunatics again.

I've long since removed the Favorites links to their web sites from my browser. Is there any good reason for me to go over there to see with my own eyes, or is it essentially rational to stay away and assume the worst about them?

May sound silly, but it's a serious question.

564 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:26:39pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Geller are pissed.

INCOMING : More clown attacks !

565 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #518 Bobblehead

OMG...does that make me a dirty old woman? But I'm only 41! lol

566 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:08pm

re: #481 sattv4u2

SPECTRE

SPECTRE (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) is a fictional global terrorist organisation featured in the James Bond novels by Ian Fleming,

It's also a cranky old goat that lives in my closet, and has a real hang-up about people that don't find him scary.

He'll pass through the closet door, all immaterial and stuff, shouting "Boo"!

Boy does he get pissed when I start laughing.
/

567 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:22pm

What, is Robert running around like an asshole threatening to sue people for delinking his site and quoting him again?

If the anti-jihad was a band, Spencer would be the entire trumpet section.

568 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #554 gmsc

Jack Sheldon again! He was a regular on the Cara Williams show in the early 60's. He was my favorite character on that show.

569 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:28pm

re: #546 SixDegrees

Subject is the first sentence.

Eh?

No, I'm wrong, James Bond. Villains in TMFU were T.H.R.U.S.H.

And no I can't remember what it stands for, and I'm too lazy to google it.

There's no acronym in the first sentence, therefore highly unlikely that the "it" in "what it stands for" refers to the first sentence.

But, whatever.

570 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:36pm

re: #449 Shug

Weren't Specter the villains on Get Smart ?

SPECTRE were the villains in the Men from UNCLE TV series

571 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:27:39pm

re: #565 UberInfidel67

OMG...does that make me a dirty old woman? But I'm only 41! lol

It does, but that's okay. We won't tell.

572 Colonel Panik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:28:13pm

re: #539 Thanos

A lot of Paulists in the crowd, Campaign for Liberty tees, Dope for America signs...


Not surprising, as that is his Congressional district, IIRC.

573 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #548 BatGuano

Gore's next line was."He played on our fears!"

Gore has never gotten over the Florida recount & imo that was the real genesis of the Democrat hatred for Bush.

574 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:02pm

re: #570 Alouette

SPECTRE were the villains in the Men from UNCLE TV series

no ,,, see my #481,,, It was a James Bond nemises

575 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #565 UberInfidel67

OMG...does that make me a dirty old woman? But I'm only 41! lol

41 year old dirty old woman, eh? How YOU doin'?
;)

576 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:13pm

re: #559 DEZes

Indiana wants you.

Still a lot of things to work out, organize and divorce. ;-(
But thereafter my first priority will be to apply for a green card (lottery).

577 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:18pm

Charles, I'm sorry if this is ot but since you are on the thread I thought of asking you, why do Google ads on LGF show many ID and pro-creationism advertisement? Do they detect certain keywords words I suppose? I know the ads are chosen by Google, not by you, of course.
But then this means there is a LOT of money behind these people, the ads are intensive and I have seen them not only on LGF.
I will always click on them, we can rip them some money

578 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:21pm

re: #461 OldLineTexan

Oh, it's too bad you missed that.

It's been a while ... someone may have a link

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

579 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:44pm

re: #573 opnion

I think it pushed Gore and the demo party over the edge.

580 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:46pm

re: #539 Thanos

A lot of Paulists in the crowd,

Let's not call them "Paulists", which may slander the Paulistas who inhabit the State of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

581 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:29:57pm

re: #565 UberInfidel67

OMG...does that make me a dirty old woman? But I'm only 41! lol

Grandma always said "a dirty mind is a gift forever" , but no 41 ain't old.

582 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:30:08pm

re: #568 BatGuano

Jack Sheldon again! He was a regular on the Cara Williams show in the early 60's. He was my favorite character on that show.

You have a Jack Sheldon ear, don't you?

583 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:30:22pm

re: #577 Abu Lahab

Charles, I'm sorry if this is ot but since you are on the thread I thought of asking you, why do Google ads on LGF show many ID and pro-creationism advertisement? Do they detect certain keywords words I suppose? I know the ads are chosen by Google, not by you, of course.
But then this means there is a LOT of money behind these people, the ads are intensive and I have seen them not only on LGF.
I will always click on them, we can rip them some money

Yes, they're keyword-driven -- that's why they show up. And yes, that shows how much money is behind the creationists.

584 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:30:51pm

re: #580 Occasional Reader

Let's not call them "Paulists", which may slander the Paulistas who inhabit the State of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Point well taken. Paulians and Ronulans it is then.

585 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:31:27pm

re: #562 opnion

Yeah, I thought that you would be fair.
Your friend still not smoking?

Not a puff, but I'm taking her up to Atlantic City tomorrow evening and I'll need to stay vigilant.

586 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:24pm

re: #575 gmsc
Just fine : ) Do you wanna come over to my house for cookies?

587 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:27pm

re: #580 Occasional Reader

Let's not call them "Paulists", which may slander the Paulistas who inhabit the State of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

How about "Fish Sticks", since they support Mr. Paul?

588 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:37pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

I always thought his was more emblematic of that post........

589 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:37pm

re: #534 avanti

I honestly don't recall that quote, but it is offensive. He could have said he made mistakes in his leadership, but "betraying" is a buzz word that was not appropriate.

You must have heard it. He bellowed it in stentorian voice.

590 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:41pm

re: #583 Charles

Yes, they're keyword-driven -- that's why they show up. And yes, that shows how much money is behind the creationists.

Wow! The ads I've seen about this topic are 10 times more than I saw about anything else. I like the irony though that you can take a small bit of their money while debunking their "science".

591 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:45pm

re: #584 Thanos

Point well taken. Paulians and Ronulans it is then.

I still like Paulistinians

592 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:32:46pm

re: #579 BatGuano

I think it pushed Gore and the demo party over the edge.

Yeah all of the 'Selected not elected' stuff. The new York Times among others went down to Florida to examine the records & confirmed that no amount of counting would have given the election to Gore.

593 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:33:05pm

re: #550 DEZes

She just needs to get the oline. ;)

LOL!

594 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:33:23pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

CR*P!
I CLICKED THE PHOTO LINK!
EUUWWWWWW!

As an assistance to any Lizards who did likewise, here's an IT specialist who can clean your monitor.

595 gmsc  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:33:58pm

re: #586 UberInfidel67

Just fine : ) Do you wanna come over to my house for cookies?

Love to! How close to Vegas do you live?

596 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:34:15pm

re: #589 LGoPs

You must have heard it. He bellowed it in stentorian voice.

Where the heck did the rest of my post go.....?

597 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:34:38pm

re: #589 LGoPs

You must have heard it. He bellowed it in stentorian voice.


In Saudi Arabia, I believe.

598 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:03pm

Spencer: "Johnson has libeled me repeatedly, and is manifestly trying to destroy my reputation."

Geller: "He is attempting to smear my reputation and my good name."

Mooph.

All together now (follow the bouncing boobs):

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose. How does it feel?

Youtube Video

Like A Rolling Stone

Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And ask him do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all kinds of precious gifts and things
But you'd better lift your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

599 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:13pm

re: #595 gmsc
No where near Vegas. Sorry : (

600 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:17pm

re: #583 Charles

Yes, they're keyword-driven -- that's why they show up.

I always find it interesting when I'm reading a thread about some jihadist scumbag who beheaded his wife or something, and I get a big banner ad for a Muslim dating site.

601 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

It's a disgusting blob! /ray stantz

602 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:52pm

re: #589 LGoPs

You must have heard it. He bellowed it in stentorian voice.

Are you sure? It's hard for me to use "stentorian" and "Gore" in the same sentence.

603 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:35:55pm

re: #596 LGoPs

Where the heck did the rest of my post go.....?

here
[Link: www.postcereals.com...]

604 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #585 avanti

Not a puff, but I'm taking her up to Atlantic City tomorrow evening and I'll need to stay vigilant.


Like I told you before, from experience I know that positive reinforcement works. Good luck with it.

605 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #560 Dianna

Yuck!

OK, I was outta line, but I gotta feelin'!

606 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:25pm

re: #583 Charles

Yes, they're keyword-driven -- that's why they show up. And yes, that shows how much money is behind the creationists.

Charles,

I saw Abu Lahab's comment about clicking on them to vacuum up some money from them. I'm willing to do that (*heeheehee*) but would like to know if it'd be worth it ... to LGF and you. Your thoughts, please.

607 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #602 SixDegrees

Are you sure? It's hard for me to use "stentorian" and "Gore" in the same sentence.

Oh, he bellows all the time, ever since he get the emotion chip installed.

Later, folks.

608 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:37pm

re: #43 USBeast

If you're referring to the Luton protest video, the "Nazi salute" was probably an insult aimed at the police. Did you notice the signs that read "NF Go To Hell"?

Those people weren't Nazis or Fascists. They were simply fed up and good on 'em.

Despite those token placards that the person filming took special care to pick out, this looked in the main to be every bit a bnp mob.

609 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:52pm

re: #529 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Partial to the Guild of Calamitous Intent myself

I didn't even know they existed until last Christmas!

610 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:36:55pm

re: #606 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not allowed to discuss that, by Google Adsense terms of service.

611 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:37:04pm

re: #597 nikis-knight

In Saudi Arabia, I believe.

Might have been. I can't remember although I do remember Clinton taking cheap shots over in the Middle East. Classy bunch those Dems.

612 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

Is that the same person who made the infamous post?

If it is--that's what I thought she looked like.

It is isn't--that's a sad coincidence.

613 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:37:21pm

NODROG they don't make trolls like they used to.

614 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

Oh, my.

615 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:15pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

I don't know if that's really annefrance or not, but if so, (1) how did someone figure out her actual identify, and (2) is it kosher to be divulging people's real identities on here if they posted with something other than their real full name and never personally identified themself?

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:18pm

re: #610 Charles

I'm not allowed to discuss that, by Google Adsense terms of service.

Understand.
Thanks.

617 Dianna  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:29pm

re: #605 Spare O'Lake

Don't want to know!

Eeep!

I'm out. Take care!

618 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:44pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

619 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:46pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

I bet her photo karma is worse than her comment karma.

620 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:50pm

re: #569 Occasional Reader

There's no acronym in the first sentence, therefore highly unlikely that the "it" in "what it stands for" refers to the first sentence.

But, whatever.

Read the whole thread.

621 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:38:58pm

re: #602 SixDegrees

Are you sure? It's hard for me to use "stentorian" and "Gore" in the same sentence.

Means exceedingly loud. I admit it's an awkward word but I have a twisted mind that the awkward appeals to sometime.....
/

622 RadicalRon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:07pm

Disgustingly amazing. And on the Austrian corporal's birthday, to boot.

Some more info regarding the British National Party.

623 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:33pm

re: #609 Eowyn2

I didn't even know they existed until last Christmas!

Great show, just picked up the 3rd season DVDs last week

624 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #592 opnion

Yeah all of the 'Selected not elected' stuff. The new York Times among others went down to Florida to examine the records & confirmed that no amount of counting would have given the election to Gore.

Damn Acorn was partying instead of "party-ing"

625 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:44pm
626 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:46pm

re: #589 LGoPs

You must have heard it. He bellowed it in stentorian voice.

Sorry, I missed it, but followed the link and saw it.

627 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:39:46pm

re: #598 Cato the Elder

Did you turn Spencer over to his ISP for publishing your private information yet, Cato?

It's hard to have a good reputation when you have to resort to breaking the law to maintain it.

628 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:03pm

re: #603 sattv4u2

here
[Link: www.postcereals.com...]

LOL.....

629 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

I always find it interesting when I'm reading a thread about some jihadist scumbag who beheaded his wife or something, and I get a big banner ad for a Muslim dating site.

Well, you can't deny that they'd have better luck with us :^)

630 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #619 Shug

I bet her photo karma is worse than her comment karma.

And I thought I was a cold hearted bastard.

631 Bobblehead  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:32pm

India launches spy satellite built by Israelis.

632 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:44pm

re: #615 Last Mohican

I don't know if that's really annefrance or not, but if so, (1) how did someone figure out her actual identify, and (2) is it kosher to be divulging people's real identities on here if they posted with something other than their real full name and never personally identified themself?

good point that link should be removed.

633 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:58pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

Timing is everything. I think you took some dings during the election as well, iirc.

634 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:40:59pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

I'm hoping you forgot a sarcasm tag there.

635 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:41:00pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

LOL. I remember reading that as a lurker before I registered. Did not notice the 482 down dings on it though.

What's worse is I think what that Spectre idiot wrote is 100 times worse than that and I bet he wont get -482. Have we become completely desensitized to asshattery because of the complete insane breakdown of "the right" or something?

636 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:41:02pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

Well, almost. The bit about DS is just mean.

But otherwise - Annefrance : Palin :: hammer : nail.

637 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:41:35pm

Btw, the LGF thread on Harry's Place is now crawling with unhappy creationists and 'not-a-creationist-but'-ers.

638 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:41:35pm

re: #604 opnion

Like I told you before, from experience I know that positive reinforcement works. Good luck with it.

She'll get room service lobster for a start.

639 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

I would disagree; the hatred was not as overt before the Florida recount, but it was there.

The late Molly Ivins had been writing of George Bush when he was governor of Texas, and had dubbed him "Shrub" several years prior to the Presidential election of 2000. The "Shrub" moniker was popularized via her columns in, IIRC, the Texas Monthly and the Progressive, and the dismissive nic was ubiquitous up to, during, and after the Presidential campaign. It did not disappear until 9/11.

Ivins had prepped the "progressives" to despise Bush as "Shrub," stupid, feckless, brutal because he had permitted death penalties to be carried out pursuant to law, a dim-bulb religious nut, etc. In consequence, he was regarded with very much the same loathing that Sarah Palin was prior to the election, even as Gore was being exalted as a brilliant Renaissance man.

When Bush won, the thought that the Shrub could possibly have beaten the Knight of Tennessee was too much for the progressives; the thought of that idiot in the Oval Office was too much.

Bush would have been vilified anyway, for his mangled syntax and for simply being a Republican. But Ivins and her "Shrub" columns of the preceding years fertilized the ground from which BDS sprang in full blossom as the dust of the election settled.

Fortunately Ivins is gone. I'll say no more.

640 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:03pm

re: #615 Last Mohican

I don't know if that's really annefrance or not, but if so, (1) how did someone figure out her actual identify, and (2) is it kosher to be divulging people's real identities on here if they posted with something other than their real full name and never personally identified themself?

I agree. But her nic was (and still is) blue in that comment and it was an email link with her full name, as I recall. That's how I "figured it out."

641 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:04pm

re: #630 DEZes

And I thought I was a cold hearted bastard.

Forgot the. :)

642 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:22pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey


Molly Ivins died? Damn, hate I missed that.

643 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #637 Jimmah

Btw, the LGF thread on Harry's Place is now crawling with unhappy creationists and 'not-a-creationist-but'-ers.

Is Richard L. Kent, Esq., the angriest creationist in the world, showing up yet?

644 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:43pm

re: #621 LGoPs

Means exceedingly loud. I admit it's an awkward word but I have a twisted mind that the awkward appeals to sometime.....
/

It's a fine word. It's just that Gore is one of those people who, no matter how loud he speaks, always comes across as a thin whine.

645 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #619 Shug

I bet her photo karma is worse than her comment karma.


She sounds incredibly shallow. She bashes Palin for having the Down baby, as if that is any of her business.

646 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:53pm

Another flying pig moment today
Human Rights Watch Report: Hamas killed, maimed dozens of opponents

647 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:42:55pm

re: #623 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great show, just picked up the 3rd season DVDs last week

My son has the first two, I'll have to get them from him.

648 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #637 Jimmah

Btw, the LGF thread on Harry's Place is now crawling with unhappy creationists and 'not-a-creationist-but'-ers.

Happens a lot. I observed the same at MyPetJawa when the nirth certifikit story came up today.

649 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:43:30pm

re: #578 Lynn B.

Annefrance (-482)

And, as a bonus, a photo.

Is that really a picture of LGF legend Annefrance?

650 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #624 Eowyn2

Damn Acorn was partying instead of "party-ing"

They have their act together now though.

651 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:43:56pm

re: #640 Lynn B.

k...

652 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:43:59pm

re: #634 Last Mohican

I'm hoping you forgot a sarcasm tag there.

One last time: I don't do frakkin' sarc tags! I've I'm being sarcastic, you'll bloody well know it from the gaping holes in your flesh.

653 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:44:12pm

re: #602 SixDegrees

Are you sure? It's hard for me to use "stentorian" and "Gore" in the same sentence.

On reflection, you're correct. A better linkage would be Gore and......Asshole Fuckwad.

654 hellosnackbar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:44:40pm

re#265 Cato the Elder,
Einverstanden!

655 Kragar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:44:42pm

re: #647 Eowyn2

My son has the first two, I'll have to get them from him.

They did a 15 minute Christmas Special as well.

656 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:44:51pm

re: #637 Jimmah

They found my blog.

657 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:44:53pm

re: #635 ArchangelMichael

LOL. I remember reading that as a lurker before I registered. Did not notice the 482 down dings on it though.

What's worse is I think what that Spectre idiot wrote is 100 times worse than that and I bet he wont get -482. Have we become completely desensitized to asshattery because of the complete insane breakdown of "the right" or something?


I think that because of time of day and the fact that it isn't an emotion charged election season, I lot fewer people will read and respond to it.
That and Spectre is incomprehensible, except for the death wish. Where is his name? So it's easier to just ignore as a nutter.

658 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #643 Charles

Is Richard L. Kent, Esq. Wackjob, the angriest creationist in the world, showing up yet?


FTFY

659 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:17pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

I remember the first Ivins column I read. It was really hard to actually find any data in the column but there were a tremendous number of insults to my intelligence.

660 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:22pm

re: #638 avanti

She'll get room service lobster for a start.

That is a great distraction, but a cigarette goes great after a good meal.

661 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:23pm

Obama Calls Chavez Gift a 'Nice Gesture'

"It was a nice gesture to give me a book. I am a reader," Obama said during a solo press conference at the end of a the summit held in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago

"We had this debate throughout the campaign. I mean the whole notion was somehow that if we showed courtesy or opened up dialogue with governments that had previously been hostile to us that would show weakness. And the American people didn't buy it and there's a reason they didn't buy it -- because it didn't make sense," Obama said.

Obama credited Chavez, who has been slowly instituting constitutional changes that will allow him to become president for life in his country, with successfully stealing the limelight during the weekend summit. But he said meeting with the Venezuelan leader, who has made "inflammatory" anti-American comments, isn't going to break the United States.

"There have been instances where we've seen Venezuela interfere with some of the countries that surround Venezuela in ways that cause concern. On the other hand, Venezuela is a country whose defense budget is one-six hundredth of the United States. They own Citgo, the oil company. It's unlikely that as a consequence of me shaking hands or that having a polite conversation with Mr. Chavez that we endanger the strategic interests of the United States," Obama said


Lot's of err and ahhss...... (video)

The point is Mr. President, not that Venezuela poses a threat to US, it's that Thugo poses a threat to the liberty of his own people, and by accepting a gift you legitimizes an illegitimate Thugo who does not rule with the consent of the people. Same thing for Cuba.

662 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:32pm

re: #649 Jimmah

Is that really a picture of LGF legend Annefrance?

If it is, I will not ask it out, If its not, I still will not ask it out.

663 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:45:42pm

re: #1 mph

Every time I see the title of her website, it makes me cringe.

Don't see why, since she and Rand are on about the same level, literarily speaking.

664 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:46:01pm

re: #643 Charles

Is Richard L. Kent, Esq., the angriest creationist in the world, showing up yet?

Nope - he seems to have missed this party.

665 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:46:12pm

re: #606 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Charles,

I saw Abu Lahab's comment about clicking on them to vacuum up some money from them. I'm willing to do that (*heeheehee*) but would like to know if it'd be worth it ... to LGF and you. Your thoughts, please.

AdSense (Google Ads) is pretty adamant about the site owner NOT doing that. It is spelled out clearly in the guidelines that you must agree to to be part of the advertising program. It damages their effectiveness as advertising.

666 bosforus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:46:20pm

I'm still wondering what all the hub-bub is about. Neon Yahtzee sounds fun!

667 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:46:30pm

re: #652 Cato the Elder

One last time: I don't do frakkin' sarc tags! I've I'm being sarcastic, you'll bloody well know it from the gaping holes in your flesh.

PIMF: If I'm being...

668 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:46:46pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

Mrs. Palin should have aborted Trig?

669 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:47:19pm

re: #618 Cato the Elder

That's funny. I agree with every word she wrote.

And as I recall you were one of the four people who dinged her up, no? Can't see the updings as they run off the page.

670 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #652 Cato the Elder

One last time: I don't do frakkin' sarc tags! I've I'm being sarcastic, you'll bloody well know it from the gaping holes in your flesh.

re: #668 jcm

Mrs. Palin should have aborted Trig?

My apologizes!

671 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:47:44pm

Hiccup on aisle one.

672 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:47:44pm

re: #646 Abu Lahab

Another flying pig moment today
Human Rights Watch Report: Hamas killed, maimed dozens of opponents

That's not a flying pig moment. HRW was just upset about the fact that Hamas killed and maimed dozens of Palestinians. HRW is perfectly fine with the killing and maiming Jewish children part.

673 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:47:46pm
674 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:11pm

By the way, today is "Hitler's birthday" and it's celebrated in different ways by Nazi Scum everywhere
So thanks again for this reminder from Charles, that these people are not dead.

675 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:14pm

re: #658 HoosierHoops

FTFY

Thats MISTER Wackjob to you!

676 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:19pm

Good evening group. What a topsey, turvey world we live in. Pamela "Never Met a Kook I didn't Want to Smoosh My Silicone Into" Gellar is who she is because of Charles. Do she know what some people (ok, me) would give for a break like that? Yet she squanders it away. I sound like a broken record because I say it just about every time her name pops up - go figure.

677 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:20pm

re: #645 opnion

She sounds incredibly shallow. She bashes Palin for having the Down baby, as if that is any of her business.

Amazing that people actually took a Downs baby and ran with it as a reason to despise a person. What a sad world we live in.

678 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:46pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

Ya know, you do make a good point. I forgot about Molly Ivins, she sounded really hateful.

679 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #660 opnion

That is a great distraction, but a cigarette goes great after a good meal.

/ a cigarette goes great after everything...

680 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:49:04pm

re: #666 bosforus

You got the right number for that post!

681 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:49:11pm

re: #662 DEZes

If it is, I will not ask it out, If its not, I still will not ask it out.

She looks amazing like that lady Susan Boyle that sang on Britain has talent..

682 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:49:27pm

re: #664 Jimmah

Nope - he seems to have missed this party.

It's hilarious, really. The same people who rant and rave about how my site has been declining in popularity (it hasn't actually; according to Google Analytics my traffic has stayed pretty constant all year), and how insignificant I am, are the ones who read LGF so obsessively that they feel compelled to go to sites that I link and post nasty comments telling everyone how insignificant I am, and how much they never read LGF.

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

683 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:49:39pm

re: #674 Abu Lahab

By the way, today is "Hitler's birthday" and it's celebrated in different ways by Nazi Scum everywhere
So thanks again for this reminder from Charles, that these people are not dead.

Is that why Pam put the Zieg Heiling vid up at her place ya think?

684 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:50:25pm

re: #677 Eowyn2

Amazing that people actually took a Downs baby and ran with it as a reason to despise a person. What a sad world we live in.

Absolutely.

685 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:50:36pm

re: #682 Charles

It's hilarious, really. The same people who rant and rave about how my site has been declining in popularity (it hasn't actually; according to Google Analytics my traffic has stayed pretty constant all year), and how insignificant I am, are the ones who read LGF so obsessively that they feel compelled to go to sites that I link and post nasty comments telling everyone how insignificant I am, and how much they never read LGF.

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

You do your job, that's what.

686 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:50:44pm

re: #682 Charles

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

"The food is terrible. And the portions are so small."

687 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:50:49pm

re: #681 HoosierHoops

She looks amazing like that lady Susan Boyle that sang on Britain has talent..

Amazing singing voice that one, More class tha annfrance too.

688 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:50:49pm

re: #665 CyanSnowHawk

AdSense (Google Ads) is pretty adamant about the site owner NOT doing that. It is spelled out clearly in the guidelines that you must agree to to be part of the advertising program. It damages their effectiveness as advertising.

I can intuit the reason why -- site owner's comments might undermine the effectiveness of this or that ad, of this or that client.

Another question, and strictly generic: How beneficial to a web site are clicks upon these advertising links?

689 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:06pm

re: #661 jcm

Obama Calls Chavez Gift a 'Nice Gesture'


Lot's of err and ahhss...... (video)

The point is Mr. President, not that Venezuela poses a threat to US, it's that Thugo poses a threat to the liberty of his own people, and by accepting a gift you legitimizes an illegitimate Thugo who does not rule with the consent of the people. Same thing for Cuba.

Yeah, but it does simplify Obama's job. In country's with Dictators he only needs to see one person, because he represents all of the people.....
///// From the Jimmy Carter School of How to Fuck Uo Your Country

690 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:12pm

und so weiter

Youtube Video
691 opnion  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:14pm

re: #679 brookly red

/ a cigarette goes great after everything...

Oh yeah, I used to love them on long car rides.

692 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:17pm

re: #682 Charles

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

Intellectual honesty is like napalm to some people.

693 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:18pm

re: #661 jcm

"Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," by Uruguayan journalist Eduardo Galeano, blames foreign interests like the United States for exploiting Latin America for centuries.

Its not Marx but it will do in a pinch.

694 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #683 Thanos

Is that why Pam put the Zieg Heiling vid up at her place ya think?

Hmm, what I know is that she got "allies" celebrating a party in some basement.

695 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #608 Jimmah

Despite those token placards that the person filming took special care to pick out, this looked in the main to be every bit a bnp mob.

That is possible. It is also possible that British citizens are fed up with Islamic impudence and would like to see the Queen's law over all.

696 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:51:33pm

re: #676 ArmyWife

Good evening Armywife..Hope you are well

697 bosforus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:52:01pm

re: #680 wrenchwench

You got the right number for that post!

Just trying to keep things running smoothly.

698 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:52:05pm

re: #682 Charles

It's hilarious, really. The same people who rant and rave about how my site has been declining in popularity (it hasn't actually; according to Google Analytics my traffic has stayed pretty constant all year), and how insignificant I am, are the ones who read LGF so obsessively that they feel compelled to go to sites that I link and post nasty comments telling everyone how insignificant I am, and how much they never read LGF.

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

You put a mirror in front of them and show them how ugly they are.

699 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #536 Bobblehead

re: #615 Last Mohican

Worse than that, mocking anyone because of their physical appearance is just boorish. Wonderful people come in all shapes and sizes. Idiots do too.

/Matt Damon!

700 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #668 jcm

Mrs. Palin should have aborted Trig?

No. See my #636.

But she could have given him a normal name.

701 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #643 Charles

But there is a "non-religious scientist" in a so far unspecified field who applauded someone whose views on Dawkins came straight out of "Expelled".

702 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:53:08pm

re: #640 Lynn B.

I agree. But her nic was (and still is) blue in that comment and it was an email link with her full name, as I recall. That's how I "figured it out."

Well then, I guess it was her fault to begin with. However, I still think that, in keeping with the spirit of Charles' usual rules, any links here that reveal her identity should be deleted. I don't know, it's Charles' call.

703 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:53:49pm
704 SummerSong  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:54:19pm

Is Spencer going to be her "Book Daddy"?

705 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:54:25pm

I just got my first hatemail.... I'm crushed.

Man, I love pissing off the radical right.

706 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:54:33pm

re: #700 Cato the Elder

No. See my #636.

But she could have given him a normal name.

Goodness, if you think the Palin's names are stupid, you don't spend much time on mommy message boards. It's not even the tip of the ice berg as I hear from my wife.

707 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:54:37pm

re: #702 Last Mohican

Well then, I guess it was her fault to begin with. However, I still think that, in keeping with the spirit of Charles' usual rules, any links here that reveal her identity should be deleted. I don't know, it's Charles' call.

Good point -- in all fairness, a good point.

708 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:54:46pm
709 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #656 Irish Rose

They found my blog.

Wow, Rose! Thank you so much for that post I just read. I appreciate it more than I can say.

710 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:55:24pm

Repost for any lurkers that might have no information on the BNP:

[BNP] Whites-Only U.K. Party Seizes on Economic Slump to Fuel Gains

By Thomas Penny and Robert Hutton

March 10 (Bloomberg) -- On their weekly visit to a local community center, Alby and Ellie Walker sip tea and swap gossip with retirees, putting a friendly face on a growing force that’s alarming the U.K. establishment: a whites-only party.

“We campaign all the time,” said Alby Walker, 51. “We never stop.”

The Walkers are councilors from Stoke-on-Trent for the British National Party, which has captured nine of the 60 local assembly seats by styling itself as a party of “community champions” and exploiting fears about immigration.

They are capitalizing on the biggest economic slump in three decades and mounting job losses. The activists are attracting support to their party -- whose constitution bars all but “Indigenous Caucasian” people -- in poorer districts historically allied with Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s Labour Party as they target their first seats in the European Parliament in June elections.

British National Party (BNP)

The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right and whites-only political party in the United Kingdom. The party is not represented in the Parliament of the United Kingdom. In the 2005 UK general election, the BNP received 0.7% of the popular vote, giving it the eighth largest share of the vote, although it was fifth overall among English seats. In the 2007 Welsh Assembly Election, it came fifth in terms of votes for the regional lists with 4.3% of the vote, winning no seats, also finishing fifth in the 2008 London mayoral election with 5.23% of the popular vote, as well as electing Mayoral candidate Richard Barnbrook to the London Assembly.

711 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:55:31pm

Hitler's Birthday is always feared in Russia because of Racist attacks and skinheads marches. See google
The irony in that is unbelievable. He must be laughing in his grave.

712 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #687 DEZes

Amazing singing voice that one, More class tha annfrance too.

The picture ruined it for me.. I at least was hoping annefrance was a smoking hot blonde air head 25 year old..And we just humoring her with hundreds of dings..Dang..that woman needs to swear off pancakes...

713 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:56:47pm

re: #709 Charles

Wow, Rose! Thank you so much for that post I just read. I appreciate it more than I can say.

I'm glad to hear it Charles.
It was an honor to write it, and it's an honor to be a part of this place.

You rock.

714 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #661 jcm

Obama Calls Chavez Gift a 'Nice Gesture'

I got a e-mail from a leftie addressing the dealing with tyrants issue, it's not all that unique. It included pictures from Ike to Bush II doing the diplomatic thing with everyone from Mao to Putin. Of course all the Democrats did it to.

715 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:56:56pm

re: #691 opnion

Oh yeah, I used to love them on long car rides.

I lost a good friend today because of the weed. If this doesn't make me stop, I am a whole lot stupider that I think. Life is short, and can be made shorter by how we live unfortunately.

716 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:56:57pm

re: #656 Irish Rose

Great post, makes me wish to have my own blog to write also my thoughts and defend sanity. Thank you

717 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:56:59pm

re: #658 HoosierHoops

I heard this cat on the radio Saturday for the first time! I was thinking, gosh I wish he'd debate Charles - wouldn't that be fun? But for that to happen I'd have to get a hold of Charles and convince him that it sounded fun (he would, of course be repeatedly saying "wait...who are you again and how do I know you?" to me) and then get this Kent person who would be saying "and you are...?"

Some girls' fantasies are a bit different than mine, I realize this. In case anyone wondered.

718 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #682 Charles

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

The arrows hit to close to home.

719 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:15pm

re: #713 Irish Rose

I'm glad to hear it Charles.
It was an honor to write it, and it's an honor to be a part of this place.

You rock.

Linkie?

720 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:17pm

re: #688 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can intuit the reason why -- site owner's comments might undermine the effectiveness of this or that ad, of this or that client.

Another question, and strictly generic: How beneficial to a web site are clicks upon these advertising links?

As I understand it, the formula for determining what a website gets paid for the clicks on an ad is a very closely held secret. If I could get some clicks on the ads at Cold Raptor, I might have a better idea, but for that, I would have to have many more readers, which means I would have to devote more time than I have to maintaining and creating content.

721 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:44pm

re: #682 Charles

pheromones.

722 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:51pm

At the risk of reopening an old wound, I'm going to reopen an old wound and repost my original responses to annefrance's legendary comment.

PART ONE:

re: #363 annefrance

1. "If this is the best and the brightest amongst 300 million Americans, then I fear for the future of your country."

I'm sorry, I have no response to this other than f*ck off, whoever and wherever you are.

2. " I cannot imagine that a country as rich and powerful as the United States really needs to choose one of its leaders amongst the ranks of the gun-totin' and beer-swillin'."

You just saw Sarah Palin speak. Was that the bumbling speech of a drunken illiterate redneck? No, it was a hell of a lot more intelligent than what you've written, although I'll admit that she had more time to prepare.

3. "Judging by her track record, Mrs. Palin appears to prefer action first, and reflection (if any) later."

In what way? Among the million and one criticisms of Gov. Palin that have surfaced in the past few days, that one hasn't appeared. You'll have to try again.

4. "There are four other children already born who need the time, attention and resources of their two parents, and you are not going to tell me they will not suffer with the arrival of a fifth sibling who is going to take away considerable attention and time from them..."

Do you mean that people with four children should never have a fifth one? Or that women with children shouldn't enter politics? Can we hear your in-depth of analysis of how Barack Obama's running for president will damage his children? Or do you only fault the parenting skills of people with jobs when they're women?

5. "What choices did this child have: did her dogmatic mother tell her "abstinence only" is the solution? Were contraceptives made available to her?"

Are you invoking Sarah Palin's political life, or her personal life? If the former, Sarah Palin supports offering contraceptives to teenagers. If the latter, then, again, f*ck you.

723 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:55pm

re: #690 LC LaWedgie

und so weiter

Peter Schilling - Major Tom
Neue Deutsche Welle => New German Wave (1980's music)

Who on earth understands that kind of music outside that language?

724 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #700 Cato the Elder

No. See my #636.

But she could have given him a normal name.

I saw it an posted a mea culpa....
;-)

Trig, a name to drive the gun grabbers to go off half cocked.

725 Lynn B.  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:58:02pm

re: #676 ArmyWife

Good evening group. What a topsey, turvey world we live in. Pamela "Never Met a Kook I didn't Want to Smoosh My Silicone Into" Gellar is who she is because of Charles. Do she know what some people (ok, me) would give for a break like that? Yet she squanders it away. I sound like a broken record because I say it just about every time her name pops up - go figure.

As they say ... no good deed goes unpunished.

It's a sad and cynical sentiment. And all too often borne out by the examples of Pam and Robert.

/then there's the other one: How sharper than a serpent's tooth ...

726 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:58:22pm

re: #696 HoosierHoops

I am, and you?

727 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:58:27pm

re: #682 Charles

It is pretty funny. I've noticed that those people always refer to a stat site called 'Alexa' which apparently shows Atlas Shrieks as practically the no 1 site on the planet, despite having practically more threads on it's page than comments.

728 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:59:12pm

re: #719 HoosierHoops

Blue moon, you saw me smiling alone....

729 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:59:17pm

re: #706 nikis-knight

Goodness, if you think the Palin's names are stupid, you don't spend much time on mommy message boards. It's not even the tip of the ice berg as I hear from my wife.

True, but just because there are women out there naming their daughters "Fallopia" and "Vendetta" - actual names, both! - is no excuse.

730 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:59:45pm

What's with the hiccups?

731 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 3:59:57pm

re: #688 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can intuit the reason why -- site owner's comments might undermine the effectiveness of this or that ad, of this or that client.

Another question, and strictly generic: How beneficial to a web site are clicks upon these advertising links?

It all depends on your volume.

If you want to learn more specifics, the easiest thing to do is sign up for the service. It only takes a few minutes, and you'll figure out within days what the pay rate is.

732 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:00:10pm

re: #727 Jimmah

It is pretty funny. I've noticed that those people always refer to a stat site called 'Alexa' which apparently shows Atlas Shrieks as practically the no 1 site on the planet, despite having practically more threads on it's page than comments.

Ann Rynd called. She wants her book title back. //

733 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:00:10pm

re: #274 nikis-knight

Probably because you can't explain it.

Try this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

734 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:00:19pm

re: #709 Charles

Wow, Rose! Thank you so much for that post I just read. I appreciate it more than I can say.

I had to upding her for that, I wish I could give her a few hundred more.

735 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:00:39pm

PART TWO:

6. "Did this child get to make HER OWN CHOICE about whether to carry her pregnancy to term, or to have an abortion? No, it is 2008, but let us still force this teenager into the kind of shotgun wedding that most of us thought reflected the nightmares of, say, two or three generations ago."

Do you know that she DIDN'T get to make her own choice? If that's the case, then shame on whoever forced her to keep the baby and get married against her will. That's terrible. On the other hand, if you don't know that someone forced her to do it, then shut the f*ck up.

7. "And let us have this young woman face the humiliation of having her personal misfortune become the subject of nation-wide discussions."

You're the one who started the discussion, not Sarah Palin. You and the scumflingers over at Daily Kos. Blame yourselves.

8. "In the meantime, she makes a handy babysitter for her otherwise occupied parents, so she in fact bears the brunt of the burden of her handicapped sibling."

What the hell are you talking about? How do you know how often Bristol babysits her brother? Unless you're the Palins' neighbor and you have a good set of binoculars, shut the f*ck up.

9. "Where I might have otherwise been amused by the silly photo of Sarah Palin in a Stars 'n Stripes bikini, toting a shotgun..."

It was fake. But we're all glad you enjoyed it.

10. "someone ready to sacrifice her daughter's future for the sake of her over-weening ambition. And that is not someone I would even welcome into my home, never mind into the halls of power."

To quote Rudy Giuliani, how dare you? Please provide your carefully calculated analyses of how the work obligations of every MALE politician have affected the upbringing of their children. You can start with how badly Amy Carter got messed up growing up in the White House. No need to mention what it was like for JFK's kids to watch him get killed. Until you finish this analysis, shut the f*ck up, you sexist pig.

736 avanti  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:00:58pm

re: #660 opnion

That is a great distraction, but a cigarette goes great after a good meal.

You're not making this any easier. :)

737 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:01:37pm

re: #708 Iron Fist

Great post. And equally absent from our schools is any mention, let alone dissection of the 100 million sacrificed on the altar of socialism/communism in the 20th Century. The last election was a testament to the effectiveness of that excision.
The people who control our Education System are all bastards and have a lot to answer for.

738 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:02:14pm
739 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:03:01pm

re: #713 Irish Rose

I'm glad to hear it Charles.
It was an honor to write it, and it's an honor to be a part of this place.

You rock.

The obsessed former lizards are at this very moment fast-tracking you to full fledged sycophant. They will speak your name in the same breath as Sharmuta and Killgore Trout. Listen closely and you will hear the tremor of fear as they speak.

740 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:03:09pm

re: #656 Irish Rose

They found my blog.

I didn't know you had one. Nice work!

741 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:03:49pm

re: #739 CyanSnowHawk

The obsessed former lizards are at this very moment fast-tracking you to full fledged sycophant. They will speak your name in the same breath as Sharmuta and Killgore Trout. Listen closely and you will hear the tremor of fear as they speak.

Bring it, fuckers.

742 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:04:32pm

re: #728 Irish Rose

Blue moon, you saw me smiling alone....

I uh..mmmm..well I'm not...
* closes eyes* Be the confusion....
nope nothing...:) I got nothing..
Hope tonight finds you well..How is the voice holding up?

743 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:05pm

re: #693 Eowyn2

"Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," by Uruguayan journalist Eduardo Galeano, blames foreign interests like the United States for exploiting Latin America for centuries.

Its not Marx but it will do in a pinch.

And from Carlos Montaner and Alvero Vargas Llosa;

When defining Latin America's problems, and possible solutions to them, Latin American intellectuals only read from left to left.

-Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot

cheers

eon

744 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:18pm

re: #727 Jimmah

It is pretty funny. I've noticed that those people always refer to a stat site called 'Alexa' which apparently shows Atlas Shrieks as practically the no 1 site on the planet, despite having practically more threads on it's page than comments.

Alexa's traffic rankings have no credibility at all. I've pointed this out many times. Those rankings are generated from a base of users who have installed the Alexa Toolbar in their browser -- and only those users! This is a tiny subset of internet users, and not even close to being a reliable sample for estimating traffic. In addition to that, many virus checkers identify the Alexa toolbar as spyware.

Alexa rankings are bogus.

745 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:20pm

re: #737 LGoPs

Great post. And equally absent from our schools is any mention, let alone dissection of the 100 million sacrificed on the altar of socialism/communism in the 20th Century. The last election was a testament to the effectiveness of that excision.
The people who control our Education System are all bastards and have a lot to answer for.

Unfortunately they are all "safe" and have nothing to fear when it comes to either losing their jobs or being called out on their liberal bullshit. I have to constantly teach my kids the truth, as opposed to the indoctrination they get at their govt. schools.

746 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #737 LGoPs

Great post. And equally absent from our schools is any mention, let alone dissection of the 100 million sacrificed on the altar of socialism/communism in the 20th Century. The last election was a testament to the effectiveness of that excision.
The people who control our Education System are all bastards and have a lot to answer for.

Yes they are, yes they do and no they won't.

747 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:26pm

re: #741 Irish Rose

Ya know, I'm actually Pat Robertson.

748 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:05:28pm
749 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:06:51pm

re: #742 HoosierHoops

Click the blue.

750 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:06:56pm

re: #741 Irish Rose

Bring it, fuckers.

I'm sure they will. The fact that they found your blog shows that they are going out of their way to scour Google looking for places to bash Charles, LGF, and anyone who supports him.

751 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #744 Charles

Alexa's traffic rankings have no credibility at all. I've pointed this out many times. Those rankings are generated from a base of users who have installed the Alexa Toolbar in their browser -- and only those users! This is a tiny subset of internet users, and not even close to being a reliable sample for estimating traffic. In addition to that, many virus checkers identify the Alexa toolbar as spyware.

Alexa rankings are bogus.

I'd guessed some kind of major distortion was going on with that - now I know.

752 Yashmak  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:07:21pm

I stopped reading GofV for the very reason that I started getting shouted down for voicing any opinion other than that ALL muslims are to blame, and should be held accountable for the actions of those responsible for terror attacks, etc. etc. Basically, I didn't agree with the nuke-em-all opinion held by many there.

That blog's support for parties like the BNP and Vlaams Belaang only came later, and served to confirm to me that I'd made the sane choice. Sad to hear they haven't come to their senses yet.

753 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:07:30pm

re: #736 avanti

You're not making this any easier. :)

Did you know that is against the law to play golf without smoking a cigar in 20 states? 3 states mandate 2 cigars per 18 rounds..
Can you smell the cigar Avanti? yummy isn't it?

754 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:08:01pm

It's really amazing how f'ed up some of these people are. Someone just used the spinoff link feature that I wrote to post an article at their blog bashing me. Do they really think that's going to play here?

The sheer gall.

755 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:08:28pm

Trebor Recneps is already whining about this post.

756 razorbacker  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:08:44pm

Over at Powerline there is this post...

Jeb Babbin reports that "White House lawyers are refusing to accept the findings of an inter-agency committee that the Uighur Chinese Muslims held at Guantanamo Bay are too dangerous to release inside the U.S."

According to Babbin, the inter-agency panel found that the Ughurs weren't "the ignorant, innocent goatherds the White House believed them to be." The committee determined they were too dangerous to release because they were members of the ETIM terrorist group, the "East Turkistan Islamic Movement," and because their presence at the al-Queda training camp was no accident (realistically, how could it have been).

Babbin's sources in the Defense Department say that "the White House legal office has told the inter-agency review group to re-do their findings to come up with the opposite answer."

Would anyone be surprised if, indeed, the Obama administration is overruling the intelligence community in order to implement preconceived policy preferences? Would anyone be surprised if those policy preferences include erring on the side of aiding suspected terrorists (to "repair our image," of course) rather than protecting the United States?

As Babbin puts it, "there is now no ETIM terrorist cell in the United States: there will be one if these Uighurs are released into the United States."

I thank Heaven that we no longer have an administration that sets up some sort of political litmus test before evaluating potential threats to national security.

757 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:08:50pm

Ann Rynd would not have gotten in bed with fascists either she did not like dictators of any stripe

758 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:09:26pm

re: #754 Charles

That's some serious brass huevos.

759 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:09:33pm

re: #733 Salamantis

Try this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well, you aren't Kilgore, who I challenged to explain it if he could rather than dismiss me.

And more importantly, that reads very similar to what I said, namely that while socialists/communists might be international and fascists nationalist, both are collective and very much leftists in the sense that the term is used in the last few decades, and the American "right" has far less in common with either than they have with each other, in practices and positions advanced, dispite any rather archaic philosophical differences.

If one is studying the details of collectivists movements, yes, there are differences, but in a one-axis political description, there is far too many similarities between them and differences between collectivism and American conservatism (classical liberalism) to place them at opposite ends of the only descriptive axis. Hence why so many here say that at extremes the movements are indistinguisable; that's only because you are categorizing according to measures of tangential importance.

So thank you for supporting my assertions.

760 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:09:41pm

re: #714 avanti

I got a e-mail from a leftie addressing the dealing with tyrants issue, it's not all that unique. It included pictures from Ike to Bush II doing the diplomatic thing with everyone from Mao to Putin. Of course all the Democrats did it to.

There's the diplomatic thing, and what Obama is doing.
Worlds of difference.

When Obama speaks and does things internationally he is The United States of America. There is a huge difference between have low level diplomatic talks and The United States of America saying we'll talk.

I don't recall Presidents from Ike to Bush going aboard and apologizing, abasing themselves on the world stage.

There is also talks with conditions. A summit to discus finalizing a treaty like SALT or START. Not Obama's no conditions statement.

761 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:09:52pm

re: #755 Gus 802


No blog hits from me.

762 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:09:59pm

re: #757 yochanan

Ann Rynd would not have gotten in bed with fascists either she did not like dictators of any stripe

Nor was she a fan of creationism.

763 DEZes  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:10:06pm

Well Im out, later all.

764 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #656 Irish Rose

They found my blog.

Nice blog. You sound like a cool person to hang around with. Bookmarked.

765 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:10:10pm

re: #744 Charles

Alexa's traffic rankings have no credibility at all. I've pointed this out many times. Those rankings are generated from a base of users who have installed the Alexa Toolbar in their browser -- and only those users! This is a tiny subset of internet users, and not even close to being a reliable sample for estimating traffic. In addition to that, many virus checkers identify the Alexa toolbar as spyware.

Alexa rankings are bogus.

Installed toolbar identified as spyware. Sounds like the user base is basically made of noobs that will install anything on their systems. Is that a good demographic to have?

766 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:10:21pm

re: #761 BignJames

No blog hits from me.

Roger. Just keeping an eye out. ;)

767 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:11:44pm

Note to Pamela Geller - when you take a small highly compressed jpeg image and stretch it to fill your page, the effect is UGLY.

What is it with nutters and poor graphics?

768 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:11:51pm
769 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:11:58pm

re: #749 Irish Rose

Click the blue.

Wow Irish Rose! just fucking wow! You know,
I'm speechless..You caught the mood of the moment at this time..plus.. you are a pretty good writer..I'm glad you have a blog! Bookmarked.

770 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:12:22pm

re: #750 ArchangelMichael

I'm sure they will. The fact that they found your blog shows that they are going out of their way to scour Google looking for places to bash Charles, LGF, and anyone who supports him.

Blogger virgin, admin from hell.

771 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:12:36pm

re: #756 razorbacker

Over at Powerline there is this post...

Jeb Babbin reports that "White House lawyers are refusing to accept the findings of an inter-agency committee that the Uighur Chinese Muslims held at Guantanamo Bay are too dangerous to release inside the U.S."


I thank Heaven that we no longer have an administration that sets up some sort of political litmus test before evaluating potential threats to national security.

It never ceases to amaze me how self-deluded these guys are. Some bearded thug from UAE is going to be found in Taliban Afghanistan - why exactly? For the fucking tourism? They took a left turn at Albuquerque?

If foreigners are found in a 2500-year-old warzones, it's safe to classify them as "bandits", IMO.

772 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:02pm

re: #763 DEZes

Well Im out, later all.

See you DEZes.

773 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:03pm

re: #706 nikis-knight

Goodness, if you think the Palin's names are stupid, you don't spend much time on mommy message boards. It's not even the tip of the ice berg as I hear from my wife.

Is she familiar with this site? I don't think we should license people to become parents, but I'm leaning towards some sort of board of review to prevent tragic baby names.

774 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:13pm

This I originally posted to an item earlier that "closed" re the DHS memos:

Allow me to speak to this, I am sure Charles agrees.

LGF has zero tolerance for those who go outside of the law. Left, Islamist or otherwise. No one has been more supportive of the troops and their sacrifice than the LGF community. Just as Charles wants to have nothing to do with fringe elements promoting creationism as science and those who think Obama was born in Kenya and most especially Euro neofascists and bigots of any stripe, Charles expects US officials to uphold and apply the law equally to all. Tim McVeigh war the American uniform and try to level Oklahoma City. While we honor vets and their service, they are not excluded from the law. If DHS is wrongfully singling out vets; there is a political price for that and voters will take a dim view to such behavior by officials. Conversely, if there are vets plotting to commit unlawful acts, the government has a duty to protect the ret of the citizenry from such folks.

We do not have to polarize everything. We have elections to sort out the big issues. Some people really do need to take a breath and think. I don't agree with Charles on everything but this is his house and he can run it as he sees fit. He expects the highest level of ethics and behavior of those he supports and even those he opposes, I kind of like that myself.

Whether its the BNP or the DHS memos it is the same thing- be responsible and you don't have problems

775 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:20pm

re: #767 Jimmah

Note to Pamela Geller - when you take a small highly compressed jpeg image and stretch it to fill your page, the effect is UGLY.

What is it with nutters and poor graphics?

It matches their view of the world - low resolution, low quality.

776 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:32pm

re: #770 Irish Rose

Blogger virgin, admin from hell.

Well I didn't know you had a blog, I'll put a link up to you and stick you in the scaled legion blogroll.

777 Athos  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:45pm

There is a line between useful idiot and 'effin clueless.

Pamela crossed that line a long time ago.

778 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #765 CyanSnowHawk

Yes, it seems Alexa tells you how popular you are among the most idiotic people on the web.

779 Abu Lahab  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #767 Jimmah

Note to Pamela Geller - when you take a small highly compressed jpeg image and stretch it to fill your page, the effect is UGLY.

What is it with nutters and poor graphics?

Her site design and colors always made me wonder if there is a direct connection between one's personality and his site. Her site is is creepy

780 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:15:06pm

re: #777 Athos

There is a line between useful idiot and 'effin clueless.

Pamela crossed that line a long time ago.


No shortage of stupidity....no one's cornered the market.

781 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:16:01pm

re: #780 BignJames

No shortage of stupidity....no one's cornered the market.

looking at Gellar's rants, it's not for lack of trying

782 nikis-knight  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:16:02pm

re: #773 doppelganglander

Is she familiar with this site? I don't think we should license people to become parents, but I'm leaning towards some sort of board of review to prevent tragic baby names.


I believe that they do have that in some European nations, Gemany maybe.
Maybe a name registry, where you have to either use an established name or pay a fee to have a new one added.
Stupid idea, really, but the least intrusive idea to screen idiots. Best system is what we have--just let people change it when they get older, and live with the knowledge that your partents didn't really care about your feelings.

(though I hope my unusually named daughter doesn't feel that way about us!)

783 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:16:52pm

re: #714 avanti

I got a e-mail from a leftie addressing the dealing with tyrants issue, it's not all that unique. It included pictures from Ike to Bush II doing the diplomatic thing with everyone from Mao to Putin. Of course all the Democrats did it to.

The Democrats did it to whom?

784 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:18:33pm

re: #762 Salamantis

she did not believe in any concept of G-D

785 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:18:39pm

re: #752 Yashmak

I stopped reading GofV for the very reason that I started getting shouted down for voicing any opinion other than that ALL muslims are to blame, and should be held accountable for the actions of those responsible for terror attacks, etc. etc. Basically, I didn't agree with the nuke-em-all opinion held by many there.

That blog's support for parties like the BNP and Vlaams Belaang only came later, and served to confirm to me that I'd made the sane choice. Sad to hear they haven't come to their senses yet.

Don't hold your breath. Baron Bullshitty, Nymphno, Atlas Slugs and JihateWatch have all staked everything they have on being professional hate-mongers. They can't even think about taking a step back anymore. It's all they've got. The parts that are true about Islam get lost in the rancid bogs of paranoia and up-against-the-wall-ism.

786 Engnrman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:19:05pm

First, I see people on this site attacking Glenn Beck. Admittedly, he is a bit dramatic, but as my wife said, we should be thankful for every Glen Beck out there, sounding some kind of alarm, because if you haven't noticed, this hand cart is heading south. Now,there's a feeding frenzy over Pamela Gellar at Atlas Shrugs. God, these people are doing more to educate the witless masses in this country than most of us combined, ever will. And LGF is attacking them? Let's just hang Rush and Shawn and Mark next. You are either a conservative or you are not. I don't care if you call yourself a Republican or a Libertarian, just don't give me this spineless crap about being neutral, or an independant. Make a damn decision. How much of this crap is being posted here by trolls from KOSLand? Because, I am a Southern conservative that is not (correction "aint") buying in to this.

787 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:19:48pm

Hilarious. Now Geller is claiming that the anti-National Front sign you can see in the video is proof that these weren't BNP demonstrations.

It doesn't seem to have occurred to her that these were counter-protesters who were demonstrating against the white nationalists and skinheads marching.

788 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:20:20pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Enjoy your Nazi party.

789 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:20:54pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You don't freaking get it, do you?

790 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Make a damn decision.

OK, I made a decision. Buh-bye!

791 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:23pm

re: #787 Charles

She also claims that she didn't know it was a BNP event even though she got the video from a known BNP activist.

792 justdanny  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:29pm

I'm not sure about what has been happening here in my absence, but I trust Charles so I just unsubscribed from her youtube page.

Seriously, short of winning the lottery or becoming disabled (again) I can't imagine having the time to stay on top of what goes on at LGF.

There was a time, a sweet troubling time when I was all about LGF.

793 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:32pm

re: #757 yochanan

Ayn Rand would not have gotten in bed with fascists either she did not like dictators of any stripe

794 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:37pm

re: #786 Engnrman

God, these people are doing more to educate the witless masses in this country than most of us combined, ever will.

And witless they shall remain if those people are doing the educating..

795 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:42pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Popcorn in the microwave..

796 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:21:44pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You are either a conservative or you are not.

I had no idea being a conservative meant embracing racists and those who cozy up to right wing extremists....

any more than being a democrat means you are a card carrying member of ELF or that you agree with Bill Ayers

797 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:22:23pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Buh-bye!

798 Idle Drifter  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:22:44pm

re: #786 Engnrman

User Blocked.

Well that didn't take long.

799 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:23:04pm

What's a good dessert to enjoy after gamey buttocks?

800 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:23:16pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Well, he didn't last long, did he?

cheers

eon

801 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:23:22pm

re: #795 HoosierHoops

Popcorn in the microwave..

He's one of those burnt, unpopped kernels.

802 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:23:40pm

re: #773 doppelganglander
Nice link. Some really stupid ideas there. lol lol I do enjoy the replies from the hostess/host running the site. LMAO

803 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:23:46pm

re: #799 Alouette

What's a good dessert to enjoy after gamey buttocks?

Troll House Cookies!

804 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:24:18pm

re: #786 Engnrman

are doing more to educate the witless masses in this country than most of us combined, ever will.

Educating them in what? The political chances of extreme right groups in Europe? The latest kookspiracy? How not to write? How not to design a site? Or is she just trying to set a parody example of how to be hysterical? Is it really all just satire and parody?

You better look at some of the past posts on AS here before you speak, the stinky shit over there is neck deep.

805 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:24:36pm

re: #786 Engnrman

First, I see people on this site attacking Glenn Beck. Admittedly, he is a bit dramatic, but as my wife said, we should be thankful for every Glen Beck out there, sounding some kind of alarm, because if you haven't noticed, this hand cart is heading south.

Enh. Glen Beck I think is largely harmless, but he IS a loon. Fishing in a barrel is sometimes fun. Neutral on that one.

Now,there's a feeding frenzy over Pamela Gellar at Atlas Shrugs. God, these people are doing more to educate the witless masses in this country than most of us combined, ever will. And LGF is attacking them?

um, she hangs with fascists. Sorry: no quarter. To quote (from memory): "When the Bolsheviks and Nazis both come out to protest, you are supposed to pray for an asteroid strike, not pick sides. "

Let's just hang Rush and Shawn and Mark next. You are either a conservative or you are not. I don't care if you call yourself a Republican or a Libertarian, just don't give me this spineless crap about being neutral, or an independant. Make a damn decision. How much of this crap is being posted here by trolls from KOSLand? Because, I am a Southern conservative that is not (correction "aint") buying in to this.

I made a decision. I'm not neutral. I can't stand fascists and bigots. I'm a pluralist. Plus, I hate histrionics. The rest is just party gamesmanship.

806 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:25:01pm

Aw, Dang it Charles.

You spoilt my fun.

807 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:25:21pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Take a deep breath. "You are a conservative or your not?" Ok, cowboy, try this on for size: Conservatives value morals, truth, integrity. You can have none of those things so long as you associate with racists. You are the company you keep, and I'll take the more liberal than me Charles and a lot of the others here at LGF any day over racist fringe kooks.

808 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:25:49pm

I certainly don't buy into the "You are either a conservative or you are not" line of thinking. Thats hooey.

Who draws the line? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O'Reilly? Pat Buchanan? George Will?

Nonsense.

809 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:26:13pm

re: #759 nikis-knight

Well, you aren't Kilgore, who I challenged to explain it if he could rather than dismiss me.

And more importantly, that reads very similar to what I said, namely that while socialists/communists might be international and fascists nationalist, both are collective and very much leftists in the sense that the term is used in the last few decades, and the American "right" has far less in common with either than they have with each other, in practices and positions advanced, dispite any rather archaic philosophical differences.

If one is studying the details of collectivists movements, yes, there are differences, but in a one-axis political description, there is far too many similarities between them and differences between collectivism and American conservatism (classical liberalism) to place them at opposite ends of the only descriptive axis. Hence why so many here say that at extremes the movements are indistinguisable; that's only because you are categorizing according to measures of tangential importance.

So thank you for supporting my assertions.

Communists, being universalists, do not embrace racism and are internationalists; fascists, being ethnocentric and geography centered tribalists, do embrace racism and are nationalists. But both governmental forms are imperialistic and totalitarian.

Both are on the collectivist fringe of the individualist-collectivist spectrum, with anarchists on the individualist fringe, but they are entirely distinct and different strains of collectivism.

Constitutional democracy inhabits the moderate, sensible center between the extremes of the different collectivisms of Right-Hegelian fascism and Left-Hegelian communism and the individualist extreme of anarchism. We should not aspire to approach either fringe.

Islamofascists are theocratic fascists, and so were the Nipponese, ruled by the Chrysanthemum Throne of God-King Emperor Hirohito, and both share racism and tribal supremacism; the Islamofascists against the Jews (like the Nazis), and the Nipponese against Caucasians, blacks, and even other Asians; would you call either of them communists?

As I said in another post, communists and fascists are like rattlers and coral snakes; they're both reptiles, but rattlers have hemotoxic venom while coral snakes have neurotoxic venom. Their poisons kill you in differing ways, but they both kill you, and in either case, you're just as dead.

810 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:26:14pm

re: #785 Cato the Elder

Don't hold your breath. Baron Bullshitty, Nymphno, Atlas Slugs and JihateWatch have all staked everything they have on being professional hate-mongers. They can't even think about taking a step back anymore. It's all they've got. The parts that are true about Islam get lost in the rancid bogs of paranoia and up-against-the-wall-ism.

Yep. Opposing Islamism in itself doesn't really impress these people - you have to be fully invested in some sort of impending apocalypse as well.

811 Yashmak  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:26:37pm

re: #785 Cato the Elder

Don't hold your breath. Baron Bullshitty, Nymphno, Atlas Slugs and JihateWatch have all staked everything they have on being professional hate-mongers. They can't even think about taking a step back anymore. It's all they've got. The parts that are true about Islam get lost in the rancid bogs of paranoia and up-against-the-wall-ism.

Yeah. I noticed. They were amongst my first forays into the world of conservative 'blogs, and they seemed so reasonable at first. . . then everything changed. Here I'd thought I'd put together a pretty informative daily read-sequence. . .only to find that half of it suddenly descended into hate mongering.

Now the only items left on my daily read list are Belmont Club, LGF, and RealClearPolitics. Guess I'll build it back up a bit though, by adding Irish Rose's 'blog.

812 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:27:01pm

.that banning was so quick, we missed the Tearful Goodbye rant

813 Athos  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:27:03pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You are either a conservative or you are not. I don't care if you call yourself a Republican or a Libertarian, just don't give me this spineless crap about being neutral, or an independant.

It has nothing to do with being a conservative or not. It has to do with one's principles. And let me tell you, conservative principles, honest to God conservative principles, based on the Constitution, the Founding fatehrs, and the core American values do not ignore fascists and do not make allowances for fascists just because for now there is a shared enemy.

The issue here raised by a number of us is that we will not tolerate or fuel or provide recognition for those who support and promote odious beliefs. They are fundamentally no different from everything else we oppose. We weaken and cripple our moral authority and ability to differentiate ourselves from those who we oppose if we look the other way.

I for one do not want to painted with the same brush thatt paints the neo-nazis. They stand for everything that I oppose. I will oppose them....not ally with them.

814 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You are either a conservative or you are not

If being a Conservative means being a crazed conspiracy theorist, a neo-Nazi, or a theocrat trying to ram their own particular distortion of religion down the throats of everyone in the country, including children - to take your first three exemplars in order - then count me out.

Last I heard, Conservatives were interested in small, limited government that didn't stick their nose into anyone else's business to the greatest extent possible. Conservatives believe in creating an environment where everyone is able to live their own lives according to their own beliefs, with minimal constraints imposed by government.

If you don't see Beck, Geller and Limbaugh pouring gasoline on every one of these concepts and setting them afire in their zeal to promote themselves and their own particular ideology, you need to go sit by yourself for a while, out of reach of blogs, talk radio and anything published by these freaks, and ponder what Conservatism is really about.

815 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:27:34pm

re: #786 Engnrman

Youtube Video
816 callahan23  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:28:02pm

Need to go to sleep. BBL

817 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:28:12pm

Some of the far right or perfect cons. would call me a R.I.N.O. well I did a wood cut of Albrect Durer's Rino and it is now up on my wall.

818 Racer X  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:28:29pm

Holy troll feces, Batman!

I poke my head in the door and what do I see?

They're coming out of the woodwork.

819 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:28:34pm

re: #791 Killgore Trout

She also claims that she didn't know it was a BNP event even though she got the video from a known BNP activist.

Geller: "Owwwwwwww! Thinking is hard!"

820 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:28:43pm

re: #816 callahan23

Need to go to sleep. BBL

Sleep well, {callahan23}.

821 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:29:16pm

re: #816 callahan23

Need to go to sleep. BBL

Sweet dreams Callahan.....

822 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:29:30pm

re: #799 Alouette

What's a good dessert to enjoy after gamey buttocks?

chimay ale

823 solicitr  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:29:34pm

Charles, it might not be a bad idea to say the same things with less--- er, heated rhetoric. A sober and cogent presentation generally is more persuasive than, excuse me for saying it, a rant. Let the Left have the Janeane Garafalos!

And if you read the article you linked to, you would see that the organizer (a black guy, not Paul "Lionheart" Ray) exressly told the BNP to stay the frak away.

824 Yashmak  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:29:39pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You are either a conservative or you are not. I don't care if you call yourself a Republican or a Libertarian, just don't give me this spineless crap about being neutral, or an independant. Make a damn decision.

What the folks you're talking about are preaching isn't conservativism. It's bigotry and alarmism. Last time I checked, those weren't virtues of conservatives. You do realize, don't you, that you can be a conservative on some issues, and not on others? Not everyone fits into cookie-cutter absolutist molds, no matter how much you'd like them to do so.

825 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:30:12pm

re: #809 Salamantis

Communists, being universalists, do not embrace racism and are internationalists

So why do they hate Jews?

826 Wishing  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:30:23pm

re: #705 Irish Rose

I just got my first hatemail.... I'm crushed.

Man, I love pissing off the radical right.

With that post, I am sure you can expect more of them.
Great post btw!

827 Yashmak  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:31:16pm

re: #805 Hhar

ITo quote (from memory): "When the Bolsheviks and Nazis both come out to protest, you are supposed to pray for an asteroid strike, not pick sides. "

Fantastic quote, btw.

828 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:31:30pm

Can I respond to 786?
I always thought the Conservative movement was a party of grown ups..We love America first..We have morals that are deeply held.. We act like grown ups in the face of a crazy world...
If I wanted to watch on TV a screaming lunatic slobbering alarmist extremest trying to drum up like minded wacko jobs.. I'd watch Keith Olberman on MSNBC thank you.. You and your wife may call his show entertainment.. I call it bullshit politics and deserving of every derision heaped upon it..
good bye for ever.. have a nice day

829 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:31:36pm

re: #786 Engnrman

I hate fuckin' Nazis.

830 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:32:01pm

re: #809 Salamantis

I almost entirely agree with you. Except the bit about communists not being racists.

Without going into odious detail, suffice it to say that Communism did not eradicate anti-Semitism in Russia. And the Patrice Lumumba University for Foreigners in Moscow was isolated from Moscow U itself for reasons having nothing to do with security.

There are other examples, both there and in other Communist states, notably the PRC, but you get the general idea, I'm sure.

cheers

eon

831 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:32:03pm

re: #779 Abu Lahab

Her site design and colors always made me wonder if there is a direct connection between one's personality and his site. Her site is is creepy

There's definitely a link between bad design and mental condition. Examples:

[Link: www.timecube.com...]

This one looks a lot like Atlas site, but with an emphaisis on green rather than red. Actually the content isn't that different either these days...

[Link: www.davidicke.com...]

832 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:32:25pm

re: #828 HoosierHoops

"...a party of grown ups" Hear, hear!

(so please, Meghan McCain, SHUT UP ALREADY). Carry on.

833 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:32:55pm

My current dessert: Chocolate orgasm.

My fiance made it for me :).

834 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:01pm

re: #278 Occasional Reader

re: #280 Kenneth

Any goddamn cold-blooded reptile will do. This is the sort of pedantry up with which I shall not put!///

835 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:12pm

re: #833 Irish Rose

I'm not gonna ask. Ok, yes I am...what is that and do I need my husband with me to partake?

836 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:15pm

re: #811 Yashmak

Yeah. I noticed. They were amongst my first forays into the world of conservative 'blogs, and they seemed so reasonable at first. . . then everything changed. Here I'd thought I'd put together a pretty informative daily read-sequence. . .only to find that half of it suddenly descended into hate mongering.

Now the only items left on my daily read list are Belmont Club, LGF, and RealClearPolitics. Guess I'll build it back up a bit though, by adding Irish Rose's 'blog.

You might think about including Michael J. Totten and Roger L. Simon. They're both good.

And I also make a daily habit of checking Instapundit for items the MSM isn't showcasing.

837 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:46pm

re: #823 solicitr

Charles, it might not be a bad idea to say the same things with less--- er, heated rhetoric. A sober and cogent presentation generally is more persuasive than, excuse me for saying it, a rant. Let the Left have the Janeane Garafalos!

And if you read the article you linked to, you would see that the organizer (a black guy, not Paul "Lionheart" Ray) exressly told the BNP to stay the frak away.

What are you talking about? The organizer of the Easter Monday protest was Peter Fehr, a former BNP activist who is now trying to fly under the radar. And he did NOT tell the BNP to stay away. He wrote: "Please do not wear any BNP badges if you plan on going to this event." In other words, come on down, but don't make it obvious.

And maybe you missed this part of the article I linked to:

A flyer for the march on the 13th was sent to the Searchlight offices on Blood and Honour notepaper. On it was a phone number, which turned out to be that of NF activist Stuart Hollingdale, the person who was jailed for three months in 1999 for daubing the Stephen Lawrence memorial with white paint. Hollingdale said that his erstwhile NF chum, none other than BNP parish councillor Simon Deacon, was briefing him on events in Luton.

Right. No BNP there at all.

838 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:47pm

IAF Over Auschwitz


Youtube Video
839 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:51pm

re: #829 jcm

Especially Illinois Nazis.

840 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:34:55pm

re: #682 Charles

I'm gonna start calling it Jilted Lover Syndrome. They want so terribly bad to be loved by you, and can't deal with it rationally when they aren't.

841 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:35:03pm

re: #825 Alouette

So why do they hate Jews?

Stalin called Jews cosmopolitans and petti boug.

842 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:35:04pm

uh oh - fat people now cause global warming. They have more gas than thin people?

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

843 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:36:00pm

re: #809 Salamantis

Soviet Russia internal passports were labeled with racial identity, as perceived by the Politburo. If this was stamped anything other than Russian, say Lithuanian chance for preferred treatment in anything was extremely limited.

844 UberInfidel67  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:36:22pm

re: #831 Jimmah
What the flying fuck is that timecube site about? Holy shit!

845 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:36:23pm

re: #839 calcajun

watched the blues brothers last nite still funny

846 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:36:52pm

re: #823 solicitr

Registered since: Nov 3, 2008 at 9:46 am
No. of comments posted: 6
No. of links posted: 4

847 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:37:20pm

re: #352 Specter

The words of William Buckley come to mind--"Cancel your own g--damn subscription."

848 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:37:29pm

re: #835 ArmyWife

I'm not gonna ask. Ok, yes I am...what is that and do I need my husband with me to partake?

Dark chocolate pecan brownies drenched with Kahlua and covered with fudge sauce, crushed Butterfingers, chocolate whipped cream and a cherry.

849 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:37:46pm

re: #845 yochanan

Timeless. Absolutely timeless.

850 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:37:48pm

re: #823 solicitr

Charles, it might not be a bad idea to say the same things with less--- er, heated rhetoric. A sober and cogent presentation generally is more persuasive than, excuse me for saying it, a rant. Let the Left have the Janeane Garafalos!

And if you read the article you linked to, you would see that the organizer (a black guy, not Paul "Lionheart" Ray) exressly told the BNP to stay the frak away.

Seriously you are going to compare Charles to that screatching hag? I think you are on the wrong blog.

851 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:37:56pm

re: #786 Engnrman

God, these people are doing more to educate the witless masses...

Well then, they have failed you miserably, as you are obviously a witless moron.

852 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:38:51pm

re: #841 yochanan

Stalin called Jews cosmopolitans and petti boug.

He also classified them as kulaks; "rich peasants". When his purges fell most heavily upon the Russian middle class in the late 1920s and early 1930s, a lot of the small business owners, etc., who ended up going to Siberian labor camps were Jews.

In spite of this, he apparently never understood the antipathy the Russian Jews who emigrated to Israel following independence in 1948 had for the Soviet state in general, and himself specifically.

cheers

eon

853 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:38:58pm

Pretty freaking pathetic low quality sock puppets tonight

854 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:39:32pm

re: #848 Irish Rose

Dark chocolate pecan brownies drenched with Kahlua and covered with fudge sauce, crushed Butterfingers, chocolate whipped cream and a cherry.

reading that makes my fillings hurt...

855 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:39:33pm

re: #823 solicitr

And if you read the article you linked to, you would see that

I read the article and its obvious you didn't.

856 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #848 Irish Rose

Dark chocolate pecan brownies drenched with Kahlua and covered with fudge sauce, crushed Butterfingers, chocolate whipped cream and a cherry.

As Pinky would say: Narf!

857 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:40:34pm

re: #848 Irish Rose

Dark chocolate pecan brownies drenched with Kahlua and covered with fudge sauce, crushed Butterfingers, chocolate whipped cream and a cherry.

I need an insulin injection just reading it......

858 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #848 Irish Rose

Dark chocolate pecan brownies drenched with Kahlua and covered with fudge sauce, crushed Butterfingers, chocolate whipped cream and a cherry.

I think you should rename it chocolate multiple orgasms

859 That's Mr. President to you  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:40:52pm

Just thought I'd stop by and let you know something -

I hear you. We hear you. You want more responsible spending of your tax dollars.

Well I took action today at my first Cabernet Cabinet Meeting where I asked the Secretaries that head up our various agencies to cut their budgets by $100 million.

As a result, we have bold action, like the DHS cutting back millions by buying office supplies in bulk. Sure - it will take 10 years for those millions in "cuts" to materialize, but the press is buying it.

These bold actions are designed to do one thing : dupe you utter morons into thinking that I really give a shit about limiting spending while providing my wild eyed, brainwashed, ideologically straight jacketed supporters petty talking points.

Neeener neeener neeener.

860 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:41:12pm

re: #853 Shug

Pretty freaking pathetic low quality sock puppets tonight

It's more interesting when they start humble and work up to a exploding rant.

861 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:41:28pm

re: #851 Slumbering Behemoth

Well then, they have failed you miserably, as you are obviously a witless moron.

Can you "get" wits? I thought you were born with them. Well most people are.

862 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:41:59pm

re: #825 Alouette

Two replies:
1. Communism isn't racist per se. There were a lot of Jewish communists. Also, a lot of the racism esp amoung Europeans was cultural. AntiSemitism was/is simply part of the cultural fabric of many nations, especially eastern Europe and Russia, and Communism is a cultural johnny-come-lately, and never changed that.

2. Communism is Universalist. Jews regard themselves as a nation from its inception distinct from other nations. Bad starting point, from a Communist point of view.

3. A lot of communists have..ummmm....emotional problems. The anti-Semitism I think is part of the package.

863 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:42:28pm

re: #853 Shug

Pretty freaking pathetic low quality sock puppets tonight

That's it..I'm firing up the grill..Somebody find a good recipe out of the lizard cookbook..
I think the new Iron Mountain located at Charles's underground lair just went to DefCon2...

864 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:42:38pm

re: #829 jcm

I don't want to tell you what to do, but if that is how you feel, you should probably find some other type of people to put "little JCM" in. Just sayin'.

///I am teasing

865 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:42:45pm

As meltdowns go, that was pathetic. re: #823 solicitr

Charles, it might not be a bad idea to say the same things with less--- er, heated rhetoric. A sober and cogent presentation generally is more persuasive than, excuse me for saying it, a rant. Let the Left have the Janeane Garafalos!

And if you read the article you linked to, you would see that the organizer (a black guy, not Paul "Lionheart" Ray) exressly told the BNP to stay the frak away.

McKoy was the only black person mentioned; he was involved in the protest but was not the organiser and had nothing to say about BNP involvement.

In context, there are multiple organisers involved. The one mentioned in the context of McKoy is one James Yeomans, who canceled his particular event BECAUSE of the likelihood of BNP involvement. Another organiser mentioned is Peter Fehr, who just told the BNP not to wear their badges.

So you got the article almost entirely wrong. The march WAS organised by people close to BNP. I don't know what exactly McKoy was doing there, but I assume it has to do with his particular hatred of Asians. (I wouldn't be surprised to find a few Sikhs in that crowd too.)

866 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:43:31pm

re: #862 Hhar

You forgot that some Communists are more equal than others.../

867 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:43:32pm

re: #844 UberInfidel67

What the flying fuck is that timecube site about? Holy shit!

He's a paranoid schizophrenic. Seriously.

868 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:43:57pm

re: #859 That's Mr. President to you

It will likely cost DHS 60 million(storage and transportation) in order to save the 50 million from buying office supplies in bulk.

869 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:44:04pm

re: #830 eon

I was going to respond in kind.

Nonetheless, Sal's post is correct, but communism on the ground level where it is played out surely includes racial overtones.

Albeit, in theory it does not on paper.

What really made me think of this, was a recent article linked to below.

I thought it was really good.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

870 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:44:42pm

re: #825 Alouette

So why do they hate Jews?

Some Communists hate Jews; others do not. The antisemitic tendency was a holdover from Czarist Russia (it was the Czarist secret police who actually wrote the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, so they could use that forged fraud to justify anti-Jewish pograms before the advent of Communism in Russia), fueled by an antisemitism that the Russian Orthodox Church shared with the Roman Catholic Church, until they publicly repudiated it, post-WW II.

Remember that the author of Communism, Karl Marx, was himself Jewish, as was Leon Trotsky, and many other influential early Communists. Lenin (after his Bolsheviks defeated Trotsky's Mensheviks for control of the new Communist state), and Stalin following him, chose the Russian peoples' historic antisemitic tendencies over the universality of the doctrine and the Jewishness of its author. In doing so, they themselves demonstrated Fascist (racist) tendencies.

871 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:44:47pm

re: #842 ArmyWife

uh oh - fat people now cause global warming. They have more gas than thin people?

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

It's people breathing, dammit! Eighteen billion lungs, puffing out CO2, day in, day out!

Voluntary human extinction: the only solution!

872 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:45:13pm

This article was just dinged down by "guest77." At least it isn't "guest88."

/

873 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:45:58pm

re: #870 Salamantis

Some Communists hate Jews; others do not.

Communists hate Jews, and Jewish communists hate Jews the most.

874 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:46:12pm

re: #859 That's Mr. President to you

Mr. President,

Perhaps you, or someone close to you like oh, I don't know, RObert Gibbs, might wish to read the news every now and again. You know, the ones who are so in love with you? Well, they've seen through this ruse. Try these links:

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...] (yes, Yahoo turned on you)

More here:

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

With love,

AW

875 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:46:24pm

re: #864 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't want to tell you what to do, but if that is how you feel, you should probably find some other type of people to put "little JCM" in. Just sayin'.

///I am teasing

Ohh, Mandy! Can I borrow that for a sec'!

*WHACK*

;-)

876 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:46:34pm

re: #827 Yashmak


I got it at smalldeadanimals. kate used it as a banner for a few weeks.

877 Dustyvet  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:47:10pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

It's people breathing, dammit! Eighteen billion lungs, puffing out CO2, day in, day out!

Voluntary human extinction: the only solution!

One afternoon in the hospital operating room where I am a nurse, I heard one of our nurse anesthetists trying to put a patient to sleep. "Now I want you to breathe in and out," she intoned. "In and out, slowly in and out."

The patient opened her eyes and said, "Is there any other way?"

878 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:47:13pm

re: #863 HoosierHoops

That's it..I'm firing up the grill..Somebody find a good recipe out of the lizard cookbook..
I think the new Iron Mountain located at Charles's underground lair just went to DefCon2...

Chopped finely, marinated in red wine vinegar and olive oil with Kosher salt, pepper and Zataran's Creole Seasoning. The throw on hot skillet with chopped peppers and onions and garlic, serve on small flour tortilla with cheese--Street Troll Tacos.

879 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:47:24pm

Its thundering!

880 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:48:38pm

Okay, I confess I'm confused. We of the West are opposed by those who, by their own statements, wish to destroy our culture. They fly planes into buildings. They turn women and children into suicide bombers. They take to the streets, to the courts, and make a mockery of the UN to advance their cause.

Will someone please tell me what measures are acceptable to preserve, protect and defend Western Civilization?

881 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:48:40pm

re: #875 jcm

I like it much better when Mandy whacks me. She won't do it anymore. :(
/

882 Racer X  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:02pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

It's people breathing, dammit! Eighteen billion lungs, puffing out CO2, day in, day out!

Voluntary human extinction: the only solution!

You're not kidding.

Save the planet; Kill yourself.

883 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:05pm

re: #870 Salamantis

Lenin (after his Bolsheviks defeated Trotsky's Mensheviks for control of the new Communist state), and Stalin following him, chose the Russian peoples' historic antisemitic tendencies over the universality of the doctrine and the Jewishness of its author. In doing so, they themselves demonstrated Fascist (racist) tendencies.

Lenin never supported antiSemitism as far as I know, and Trotsky was never a Menshevik. The Mensheviks had been hustled out in 1917.

Jews were involved in the Soviet government until the mid to late 1930s, when Stalin purged the Comintern and then the OGPU / NKVD. At that point you started to see persecutions of Jews from Stalin.

884 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:18pm

re: #879 ArmyWife

Its thundering!

could just be the sugar rush...

885 jaunte  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:38pm

re: #352 Specter

Home from work, and I'm late for the specter of afternoon drama queens.
Maybe another one will show.

886 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:40pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

It's people breathing, dammit! Eighteen billion lungs, puffing out CO2, day in, day out!

Voluntary human extinction: the only solution!

When Mr. w wants to do a strenuous hike, he tries to recruit a few moonbats to stay home and breathe very shallowly.

887 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:44pm

re: #881 Slumbering Behemoth

....ah...words fail me. Way TMI.

888 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:49:58pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

It's people breathing, dammit! Eighteen billion lungs, puffing out CO2, day in, day out!

Voluntary human extinction: the only solution!

I wouldn't have to worry about this crap if I would have been marooned on a tropical Island with Ginger and Mary-Ann...
/ and no I can't explain the sudden disappearance of the Millionaire dude..But I'm keeping the luggage

889 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:50:08pm

re: #831 Jimmah

There's definitely a link between bad design and mental condition. Examples:

[Link: www.timecube.com...]

This one looks a lot like Atlas site, but with an emphaisis on green rather than red. Actually the content isn't that different either these days...

[Link: www.davidicke.com...]

Oh yes.

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax.[3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[3][5]

OK, the rest I don't know about, but Boxcar Willie? That's crazy talk!

890 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:50:14pm

re: #876 Hhar

I got it at smalldeadanimals. kate used it as a banner for a few weeks.

You realise Kate publicly sided with Fjordman in her 14 April "farewell footballs" post...

/never read her blog anyway, so no big whoop

891 Racer X  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:50:18pm

re: #882 Racer X

You're not kidding.

Save the planet; Kill yourself.

Oh, and thats a MAN!

892 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:50:19pm

re: #861 Mich-again

Can you "get" wits? I thought you were born with them. Well most people are.


Not everybody

893 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:50:57pm

re: #882 Racer X

If we all stop breathing for five minutes a day, the CO2 levels will drop dramatically (as will we all)///

894 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:51:00pm

re: #842 ArmyWife

I would love know what center of higher learning lent their name to that?

I click on the link in drudge, but it just goes back to the front page.

895 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:51:05pm

re: #884 brookly red

I wish! I have nothing sweet in my apartment - I'm really trying to get the winter pounds off!

896 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:51:14pm

re: #880 USBeast

Okay, I confess I'm confused. We of the West are opposed by those who, by their own statements, wish to destroy our culture. They fly planes into buildings. They turn women and children into suicide bombers. They take to the streets, to the courts, and make a mockery of the UN to advance their cause.

Will someone please tell me what measures are acceptable to preserve, protect and defend Western Civilization?

Oppose and fight those who would tear down the Western Civilization.

The enemies of Western Civilization are not identified by race, or even religion. They are identified by ideology.

897 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:51:31pm

re: #843 jcm

Soviet Russia internal passports were labeled with racial identity, as perceived by the Politburo. If this was stamped anything other than Russian, say Lithuanian chance for preferred treatment in anything was extremely limited.

Do you know why the US got into the business of issuing marriage licenses? So they could screen applicants for race, and prevent interracial unions (miscegenation). A lot of racism was spread around everywhere in those times. But some of it was inextricably intertwined with the intrinsically inherent character of a political system (Right-Hegelian Fascism), while much of it was not.

898 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:52:28pm

In summary after the past few days the upside down logic we have seen on the internet is as follows:

1. There is no such thing as right-wing extremism.
2. Nazi Germany was a Leftist nation.
3. The BNP is not a racist organization.
4. This protest was organized by altruistic patriots and not by the BNP.

Nirthers and the "Obama is a muslim" faction can act as bookends.

/

899 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:52:37pm

re: #885 jaunte

I always find it hilarious when someone, in the middle of an emotional hissy fit, calls someone else a "pussy".

They must not be teaching kids about the pitfalls of unintentional irony any more.

900 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

Oh yes.

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax.[3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[3][5]

OK, the rest I don't know about, but Boxcar Willie? That's crazy talk!

I'm half Reptilian Humanoid - on my mother's side.

901 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:53:00pm

re: #890 Zimriel

yeah. I wouldn't link there.

*wince* and certainly not from here*wince* but credit where credit is due.

902 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:53:28pm

Some interesting new poll results here re: Dems vs. Repubs. I think this might mark a trend at this point.

One interesting note:

The poll also indicates that 62 percent of those questioned think President Obama is doing enough to cooperate with Republicans. That's down eight points from February, but it's 25 points higher than the 37 percent who feel the Republicans in Congress are doing enough to reach out to Democrats and the president.

A little symbolic reaching across the aisle wouldn't hurt the GOP. There's been a lot of murmuring from the Democrat side of Congress, particularly in the Senate, about the excessive spending in the proposed budgets over the next several years. Common ground? A little outreach to Conservative Democrats might go a long way toward improving the GOP's standing.

903 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:53:29pm

re: #872 wrenchwench

This article was just dinged down by "guest77." At least it isn't "guest88."

/

guest77 is a well used username. I put it into google to see if it came up with some unsavory distinction, but it came back with a lot of hits for forums and whatnot.

904 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:53:45pm

re: #898 Gus 802

In summary after the past few days the upside down logic we have seen on the internet is as follows:

1. There is no such thing as right-wing extremism.
2. Nazi Germany was a Leftist nation.
3. The BNP is not a racist organization.
4. This protest was organized by altruistic patriots and not by the BNP.

Nirthers and the "Obama is a muslim" faction can act as bookends.

/

Next, up is down, black is white--and we'll be killed at the next zebra crossing--(with apologies to Douglas Adams)

905 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:54:02pm

re: #880 USBeast

Okay, I confess I'm confused. We of the West are opposed by those who, by their own statements, wish to destroy our culture. They fly planes into buildings. They turn women and children into suicide bombers. They take to the streets, to the courts, and make a mockery of the UN to advance their cause.

Will someone please tell me what measures are acceptable to preserve, protect and defend Western Civilization?

The measures that we have taken in Iraq seem to be having some effect.

906 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #870 Salamantis

Trotsky wasn't a mensivick he was a Bolshevik

907 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:54:24pm

re: #895 ArmyWife

I wish! I have nothing sweet in my apartment - I'm really trying to get the winter pounds off!

Oh, I thought you were trying that choclate shock & awe thing...

908 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:54:38pm

re: #904 calcajun

Next, up is down, black is white--and we'll be killed at the next zebra crossing--(with apologies to Douglas Adams)

Kind of like "new math." Or "math is a societal concept." //

909 jaunte  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:55:35pm

re: #899 Slumbering Behemoth

When the facts aren't on their side of the argument, they get steamed.

910 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:55:36pm

re: #903 CyanSnowHawk

guest77 is a well used username. I put it into google to see if it came up with some unsavory distinction, but it came back with a lot of hits for forums and whatnot.

This is the local one:

guest77

(Logged in)
Registered since: Nov 12, 2006 at 12:55 pm
No. of comments posted: 32
No. of links posted: 0

911 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #869 formercorpsman

Thanks for the link. I can't say it surprises me, as I'm old enough to remember Fidel's "sugar cane cutting" business (leftist radicals going to Cuba to "express solidarity with the revolution"- and incidentally receive small-arms, demolitions, etc., training), as well as Guevara's methods of dealing with anyone he regarded as "inferior" in addition to those he regarded as "reactionary" (both were defined as "enemies of the revolution" and usually received Excedrin Headache No. 7.62).

Also, it confirms that Fidel is still alive. My guess is, when he no longer is, Raul will not be around much longer either. As the head of Fidel's secret police, and after Guevara his chief headsman, he has made so many enemies within the Cuban hierarchy itself that once he no longer has the protection of El Comandante, he'd better have his flight reservations made. Or his will made out.

Or both.

cheers

eon

912 irongrampa  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #682 Charles

Jealousy?

913 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:56:19pm

re: #880 USBeast

Okay, I confess I'm confused. We of the West are opposed by those who, by their own statements, wish to destroy our culture. They fly planes into buildings. They turn women and children into suicide bombers. They take to the streets, to the courts, and make a mockery of the UN to advance their cause.

Will someone please tell me what measures are acceptable to preserve, protect and defend Western Civilization?

Allying with Euronazis ain't one of them.

914 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:56:31pm

re: #897 Salamantis

Do you know why the US got into the business of issuing marriage licenses? So they could screen applicants for race, and prevent interracial unions (miscegenation). A lot of racism was spread around everywhere in those times. But some of it was inextricably intertwined with the intrinsically inherent character of a political system (Right-Hegelian Fascism), while much of it was not.

True, racism is norm for human history. Them and Us. Most of the Communist Regimes used race as another tool to keep the population under control. Communism makes lots of promises, but fails to deliver.

915 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:56:41pm

re: #898 Gus 802

You left out:

5. Religious fables are actually scientific theories.

916 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:56:46pm

re: #906 yochanan

Trotsky was a Menshevik, but switched parties.

917 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #880 USBeast

Reasonable measures that don't involve allying with nazis. Clear enough?

918 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:57:14pm

re: #896 jcm

Oppose and fight those who would tear down the Western Civilization.

The enemies of Western Civilization are not identified by race, or even religion. They are identified by ideology.

And those ideologies are...?

919 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:57:17pm

re: #880 USBeast

Okay, I confess I'm confused. We of the West are opposed by those who, by their own statements, wish to destroy our culture. They fly planes into buildings. They turn women and children into suicide bombers. They take to the streets, to the courts, and make a mockery of the UN to advance their cause.

Will someone please tell me what measures are acceptable to preserve, protect and defend Western Civilization?

No alliances with any racist or hate groups is a given. Not even the "appearance" of an alliance is acceptable. Faustian deals are not an option.

920 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:57:40pm

re: #833 Irish Rose

My current dessert: Chocolate orgasm.

My fiance made it for me :).

For two?

921 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:58:04pm

re: #915 Slumbering Behemoth

You left out:

5. Religious fables are actually scientific theories.

There's so many. Maybe we can make a daily Top-Ten list like on Letterman. :)

922 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:58:58pm

re: #875 jcm

Ohh, Mandy! Can I borrow that for a sec'!

*WHACK*

;-)

Youtube Video
923 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:58:58pm

re: #906 yochanan

Trotsky wasn't a mensivick he was a Bolshevik

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

With the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks clearly diverging, Russian Mensheviks and non-factional social democrats returning from European and American exile in spring-summer of 1917 were forced to take sides. Some re-joined the Mensheviks. Some, like Alexandra Kollontai, joined the Bolsheviks directly. A significant number, including Leon Trotsky and Adolf Joffe, joined the non-factional Petrograd-based anti-war group called Mezhraiontsy, which merged with the Bolsheviks in August 1917. A small but influential group of social democrats associated with Maxim Gorky's newspaper Novaya Zhizn (New Life) refused to join either party.

924 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:59:44pm

re: #920 debutaunt

For two?

one is always a given..
/

925 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 4:59:53pm

re: #920 debutaunt

For two?

.. yep :).

He's reading over my shoulder.

926 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:00:36pm

USB, which stalker site are you trying to elicit comments for?

/just curious

927 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #921 Gus 802

There's so many. Maybe we can make a daily Top-Ten list like on Letterman. :)

I have a logical fallacy I've seen lately :

If you go to a rally, and a similar event anywhere else was attended by neo-Nazis OR neo-Nazis CLAIMED to have attended, that makes YOU a neo-Nazi. Or a Paulbot.

It's been whipped to death.

928 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:01:54pm

re: #917 Thanos

Reasonable measures that don't involve allying with nazis. Clear enough?

Churchill, again, to a German politician in the 1930's on Hitler; "Tell your boss that antisemitism might be a good start, but it's a bad sticker."

Another way of putting it- you lay down with dogs- don't be surprised if you get fleas.

929 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:02:02pm

re: #919 Gus 802

No alliances with any racist or hate groups is a given. Not even the "appearance" of an alliance is acceptable. Faustian deals are not an option.

And considering that those groups also hate Western Civilization with a passion (Google "Thule Society" or "Hans Horbiger", for only two examples of their rejection of linear logic in favor of pseudo-mystical claptrap), referring to it as "Faustian" is probably an understatement. More like the frog and the scorpion, IMHO.

cheers

eon

930 The Shadow Do  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:02:09pm

Now this one here is a purty darn good test of your politics -
"That government is best which governs least." -
-- Thomas Paine

If yur down wid'it you'se likely then to be one of them conservative types (back in the day you would be a revolutionary, but that was then and this is now..).

If not? Y'all could be damn near anything, and you probably are...

931 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:02:26pm

re: #918 USBeast

And those ideologies are...?

Islamofacism, is the one that drove our planes into our buildings.
Progressivism, of all the various flavors, all the Gramsci, Marx, Lenin 'ism.
Authoritarianism, theological or atheist, or anything in between.

Instead of listing the enemies let us try listing the core values of our friends.

A belief in the intrinsic right of everyone to Life, Liberty & Property (or the Pursuit of Happiness if you wish).

932 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:02:28pm

re: #917 Thanos

Reasonable measures that don't involve allying with nazis. Clear enough?

It would be...if the definition of "nazis" wasn't constantly up for grabs.

933 realwest  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:02:29pm

re: #902 SixDegrees
You want the GOP to "reach out" to the Democrats, particularly in the Senate?
You are aware, I assume, that the Senate Dems have voted in complete lockstep on Obama's wishes - with three Republicans (Collins, Snowe and Specter) voting with them and NOT ONE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR has reached across the aisle to the GOP. NOT ONE.
Maybe when Obama finally submits his budget, which PROVIDES FOR A ONE AND ONE-HALF TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT the Dems will break lock step and one or two (three would be wishful thinking) will reach out to the GOP.
Until then, they won the election, they have the votes, they own this economy.

934 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:03:10pm

re: #927 OldLineTexan

True.

935 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:03:17pm

re: #918 USBeast

And those ideologies are...?

All the different strains of totalitarian collectivism, be they Eurofascist, Islamofascist, or Communist.

936 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #907 brookly red

I wanted to know what it was and if it involved 2 players. It sounded really yummy. But I really, really don't need it. My clothes have all gotten a bit tight, and that is unacceptable!

937 shiplord kirel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:04:04pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

Oh yes.

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax.[3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[3][5]

OK, the rest I don't know about, but Boxcar Willie? That's crazy talk!

Wikipedia has the scoop:
Reptilian humanoid
Nifty graphic of a inner circle LGF poster sci-fi lizardoid.

938 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:04:46pm

re: #932 USBeast

It's not up for grabs, it's easy to define, and what's more you know that. It's easy to show you what they are and what they believe in, and we've had this conversation before. Now answer my question.

939 shiplord kirel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:05:40pm

Oh, I'm back (obviously). Decided to take the advice of various lizardoid cyber-mavens and try out the Safari browser. So far, so good.

940 realwest  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:05:44pm

re: #905 wrenchwench Not to forget that the measures the US took in Afhganistan were doing pretty damn well too, until we turned it over to "NATO" - where the Germans won't fight, the French don't patrol at night and only GB, Canada and the few Aussies there - and the Dutch - are fighting alongside us.
If we had a CiC worthy of the name, he'd take 50,000 troops from the draw down in Iraq and put 'em in Afghanistan and that would then -again- be tow Muslim countries where what we've done seems to have worked out just fine!

941 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:05:48pm

re: #807 ArmyWife

Take a deep breath. "You are a conservative or your not?" Ok, cowboy, try this on for size: Conservatives value morals, truth, integrity. You can have none of those things so long as you associate with racists. You are the company you keep, and I'll take the more liberal than me Charles and a lot of the others here at LGF any day over racist fringe kooks.

I'm with you, ArmyWife.

942 Lee Coller  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:05:59pm

re: #669 Lynn B.

And as I recall you were one of the four people who dinged her up, no? Can't see the updings as they run off the page.

These were the updings:

Billy Hank, Conservative in Liberal Hands, ggt, marjoriemoon

At one time I thought these had all been identified as errors, but checking the threads I don't find that, the ones that had indicated they misdinged were apparently fixed by Charles or Stinky.

943 Shug  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:06:37pm

Charles,
Since you love tweaking your blog, how about adding sound effects.

just for when you block an account or delete a comment.

maybe some kind of explosion

944 HopsHunter  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:07:58pm

re: #878 calcajun

Okay, I don't think I ever drooled over troll before.

945 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:08:32pm

re: #943 Shug

Charles,
Since you love tweaking your blog, how about adding sound effects.

just for when you block an account or delete a comment.

maybe some kind of explosion

Or the sound of a toilet flushing a turd.

946 eon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:08:40pm

Well, I'm off for the night. Early riser tomorrow.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

947 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:09:10pm

re: #943 Shug

Charles,
Since you love tweaking your blog, how about adding sound effects.

just for when you block an account or delete a comment.

maybe some kind of explosion

Or the old Pac-Man death rattle sound effect.

948 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:09:22pm

re: #944 HopsHunter

It's a nummy treat.

949 realwest  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:09:35pm

re: #941 reine.de.tout
And I'm with YOU and ArmyWife! Well put, ArmyWife!

950 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:09:42pm

re: #943 Shug

Charles,
Since you love tweaking your blog, how about adding sound effects.

just for when you block an account or delete a comment.

maybe some kind of explosion

Toilet flushing.

951 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:10:22pm

re: #949 realwest

And I'm with YOU and ArmyWife! Well put, ArmyWife!

Hey you! hope today finds you well my friend..What up?

952 realwest  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:10:24pm

And I'm outta here for dinner. Hope you all have a great evening and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

953 realwest  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:10:53pm

re: #951 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Dinner is what's up! LOL! See ya later my friend!

954 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:11:19pm

re: #950 Irish Rose

Toilet flushing.

Youtube Video
955 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:11:43pm

re: #932 USBeast

A clue is when they use it in their names. Other clues would be hateful things against Jews on their websites, and/or hateful things against other races. If those are missing, but somewhere it's posted that whites are a supreme race, this too ought to serve as a clue.

Just sayin'

956 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:11:45pm

re: #949 realwest

And I'm with YOU and ArmyWife! Well put, ArmyWife!

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

957 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:12:48pm

Current listen:

Hooah! Radio

Anyone care to join me?

958 Hhar  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:13:09pm

re: #937 shiplord kirel

I was once accused of being a Reptoid. The same guy also complained about how his kid was beaten up by Jews for doing nothing at all, and that he once had a Jewish girlfriend, but you couldn't tell, because her nose wasn't big. The guy wasn't even trolling.

Lotsa mental illness out there..........

959 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:13:29pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

I blame George W. Bush.

960 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:13:33pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

I think it started w/Reagan........dumb actor...cowboy roles etc.

961 shiplord kirel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:14:45pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

They are simpering bigots, desperately seeking status in whatever decadent urban media-milieu they happen to be enslaved to. Texophobia and Cowboyism are on the safe list of PC prejudices.

962 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:14:53pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

Have you seen Cowboy?
:)

963 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:01pm

This is most excellent

DC vouchers, gone!
Public schools are good enough
But not for his kids.

or,

Quite telling I think:
Barely a nod to the Queen.
With Hugo? Sheer joy.

964 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:02pm

re: #959 axegrinder

I blame George W. Bush.

HE MUST BE STOPPED!

/oh, wait

Seriously, ag, I just don't accept BDS as an answer to anything.

965 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:28pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

It's not to me. My Granddaddy was a real cowboy. I confess the term is part of my vernacular, I call a lot of guys cowboy for a number of different reasons "Buck up, cowboy", "whoa, cowboy", "C'mere, Cowboy", etc. etc.

966 jaunte  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:32pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

It has nothing to do with cowboys and what they do,* and everything to do with who has power and the inclination to wield it.

*( Nobody worries about 'gaucho diplomacy' )

967 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:36pm

re: #956 OldLineTexan

Why is "cowboy" a derogative to so many people?

I don't understand that either; cowboys, truckers and bikers are stereotypes of American freedom. And cowboys have been so the longest.

/except for wilderness trappers.

968 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:41pm

re: #960 BignJames

I think it started w/Reagan........dumb actor...cowboy roles etc.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about Reagan. I blame him more.

969 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:59pm

re: #960 BignJames

I think it started w/Reagan........dumb actor...cowboy roles etc.

Cowboys are self reliant.

The antithesis of the a lefty.

970 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:15:59pm

re: #962 Slumbering Behemoth

Have you seen Cowboy?
:)

Udder.

Female.

971 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:16:53pm

re: #967 Salamantis

I don't understand that either; cowboys, truckers and bikers are stereotypes of American freedom. And cowboys have been so the longest.

/except for wilderness trappers.

I thought it might be from Cowboy Diplomacy or Theodore Roosevelt. Wiki seems to back that up.

972 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:17:15pm

re: #965 ArmyWife

It's not to me. My Granddaddy was a real cowboy. I confess the term is part of my vernacular, I call a lot of guys cowboy for a number of different reasons "Buck up, cowboy", "whoa, cowboy", "C'mere, Cowboy", etc. etc.

My grandfather was an actual cowboy as well.

That's why I don't understand.

973 BignJames  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:18:06pm

re: #971 Gus 802

I thought it might be from Cowboy Diplomacy or Theodore Roosevelt. Wiki seems to back that up.


Hmmm....didn't think of that.

974 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:18:20pm

re: #970 OldLineTexan

It's actually a dude. I know it makes no sense, but it's a character from the film Freaked.

975 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:18:58pm

re: #974 Slumbering Behemoth

It's actually a dude. I know it makes no sense, but it's a character from the film Freaked.

If I saw a bull with an udder, I'd be Freaked, too.

/

976 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:19:14pm

re: #973 BignJames

Hmmm....didn't think of that.

Do a search. "cowboy diplomacy."

977 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:20:02pm

re: #974 Slumbering Behemoth

It's actually a dude. I know it makes no sense, but it's a character from the film Freaked.

A transvestite cow.........

Not that there is anything wrong with that.......

978 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:20:21pm

re: #967 Salamantis

I don't understand that either; cowboys, truckers and bikers are stereotypes of American freedom. And cowboys have been so the longest.

/except for wilderness trappers.

Cowboys, bikers, and policemen were also part of the Village People.

979 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:20:36pm

re: #965 ArmyWife

re: #972 OldLineTexan

Mine was a farmer. If ya'll are from Texas your ancestors probably cut my ancestors fence. How's about some restitution?

980 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:20:42pm
981 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:20:42pm

Your text to link...
OT new grandson

982 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:21:08pm

re: #978 jim in virginia

Cowboys, bikers, and policemen were also part of the Village People.

You racist bastid, leaving out the Indian Chief.

983 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:21:21pm

Half time..Rondo went into the locker with an injury..If he can't come back and play point.The Celtics are in serious trouble...The Bulls are ahead at halftime..

984 irongrampa  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:21:31pm

re: #933 realwest

Heya Realwest. Which dems would be our Spector, Collins or Snowe?

985 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:21:42pm

re: #981 Shakey Jakey

Well that didn't work but I did have a grandson born today

986 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:22:50pm

re: #985 Shakey Jakey

Well that didn't work but I did have a grandson born today

Congrats!
Barkeep! Break out the humidor! Cigars all around!

987 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:23:16pm

re: #979 axegrinder

re: #972 OldLineTexan

Mine was a farmer. If ya'll are from Texas your ancestors probably cut my ancestors fence. How's about some restitution?

If y'all farmed in Comanche County, LMK and I will send you a plate of Rice Krispy Treats.

988 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #938 Thanos

It's not up for grabs, it's easy to define, and what's more you know that. It's easy to show you what they are and what they believe in, and we've had this conversation before. Now answer my question.

I'm not sure just what question you want me to answer. I have no affiliation to any "stalker site". I am not a member of any political party. I believe in the Constitution of the United States, the Golden Rule and Murphy's Law. I am opposed to any ideology that is opposed to the first two of the list above and am willing to laugh at anyone who disbelieves in the last.

989 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:23:28pm

re: #859 That's Mr. President to you

I still can't believe Alfred E. Neuman is POTUS.

990 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:23:45pm

re: #972 OldLineTexan

I have a friend who is a horse trainer (oh the gift he has). He's a cutter ([Link: www.nchacutting.com...] - today's version of cowboy. I call him cowboy too, sometimes very lovingly, sometimes not like "I knew you when, cowboy, never forget that" He calls me princess - sometimes lovingly, sometimes not!

991 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:23:51pm

i just watch cesar milan work w/ a sweet yellow lab named gavin, who was an
iraqi war dog w/ post traumatic stress disorder.
anytime a loud noise went off he would quiver and try to hide. he was really a fearful dog after his 5 yr. tour of duty sniffing explosives.
it took cesar 71 days to slowly work gavin back to a normal, easy going, happy boy.
wow, what patience it took for cesar to rehabilitate him .
i could see he put his heart into it.
he called that dog "soldier". (w/ such affection)

992 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:08pm

re: #985 Shakey Jakey

Well that didn't

What jcm said. Make with the cigars, Gramps!

993 brookly red  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:12pm

hark! a willing victim with food... bbiab

994 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:13pm

re: #986 jcm

Thanks

995 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:15pm

re: #723 callahan23

Honestly, I don't think anyone understands it.

Youtube Video
996 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:24pm

re: #977 jcm

A transvestite cow.........

Where are you trying to steer this thread?

997 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:31pm

re: #978 jim in virginia

macho, macho man...

so was a Navy guy. Speaks volumes.

(HAHAHAHA Hoosier! I owed you that!)

998 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:24:52pm

re: #989 jim in virginia

I thought it was Chance the Gardener.

999 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:25:16pm

re: #975 OldLineTexan

That's not even the half of it. There are a couple of giant Rasta eyeballs (Eye and Eye), and Mr. T as the bearded lady.

/pot is a hell of a drug

1000 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:25:52pm

re: #994 Shakey Jakey

Thanks

Congradulations! May God bless your new grandbaby..

1001 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:25:54pm

re: #992 OldLineTexan

Thanks again.You would think after the first seven it would be "old hat" but it never is.

1002 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:26:03pm

re: #988 USBeast

The reason I ask is that in several of these threads where Eurofascists are bashed you show up with questions like it's all new to you, and obliquely hint that since the left calls conservatives Nazis/racists that

a.) we should just be nazis and racists
b.) that we should ally with them

Now I'm not sure which it is, but your passive aggressive pimping of their agitprop is getting annoying.

1003 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:26:18pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

Correct me if I'm wrong... Pamela Geller is Jewish, correct?

And yet she's promoting people who follow an ideology of...

Okay, my brain hurts.


First: Geller is nuts.
Secondly: I think the characterization of the BNP as a Neo-Nazi-Party does not fit very well anymore. It did some years ago, when the BNP's focus aimed at Jews, their main agenda was anti-semitism and there were close connections with Neo-Nazi-Terror-groups like C-18.
Today, BNP tries to give themself a more "civilized" image: their leaders avoid to make Nazi-statements and the whole rhetoric tends more into the racist rightwing-extremism direction, like Vlaams Belang, FPÖ or Sverige Demokraterna.
Don't get me wrong: those people are disgusting fascistic racists and there are certainly NS-elements in their ideology. But this salvation-anti-semitism, which is constitutive for National-Socialism, is not given.
A racist like Nick Griffin, BNP-leader, who denied the Holocaust some years ago, now released a statement regarding the Gaza-War where he did not blame Israel and I am sure we will soon hear words of "support" for Israel by BNP leaders (for fighting against the "subhuman muslims") and that's the connecting factor between them and Geller.
It is important to understand the difference between those racist and fascist rightwing-extremist parties like VB, FPÖ and "real" Nazi-Parties like german NPD or spanish Alianza Nacional, who see the destruction of Jews as the only way to salvation.

1004 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:26:24pm

re: #979 axegrinder

I'm from Texas as was my Grandfather. Your damn fence got in the way of grazing cattle. Restitution ought to come my ways. How's about it? ;)

1005 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:26:59pm

re: #1001 Shakey Jakey

Thanks again.You would think after the first seven it would be "old hat" but it never is.

You got me beat by six. ;)

I am willing to wait a few years for any more, though.

1006 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #950 Irish Rose

like from 'all in the family'?

1007 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:27:54pm

re: #1005 OldLineTexan

LOL- I just tell them we need a short stop for the team

1008 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:29:07pm

re: #997 ArmyWife

macho, macho man...

so was a Navy guy. Speaks volumes.

(HAHAHAHA Hoosier! I owed you that!)

Dang you Armywife! *shakes fist*
HAHAHA
You go girl!
/Click my avatar..you see any Army guys in that picture? Didn't think so..:)
*wink*

1009 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #989 jim in virginia

I still can't believe Alfred E. Neuman is POTUS.

Num Me Vexo

1010 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:30:13pm

re: #1003 gegenkritik

I think neo nazi is very fitting, as they follow the extreme right ideology very closely, there is still infighting in the party over overt anti-semitism vs. keeping it under wraps, and the ones who are against overt anti-semitism are that way only because they've replaced "jew" with "muslim" in their ideology of hatred. Sure they wear suits, but you can bet many of them still have nazi periphernalia around their homes.

1011 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:30:44pm

re: #982 OldLineTexan

You racist bastid, leaving out the Indian Chief.


I forgot the fireman too.

1012 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:30:52pm

re: #996 calcajun

Where are you trying to steer this thread?

I wouldn't dare attempt to herd the Lizards!

1013 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:31:56pm
1014 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:32:00pm

re: #1003 gegenkritik

Whatever the difference is, it ain't enough. They're all a bunch of freedom hating scum and those who love freedom should avoid and oppose them.

1015 irongrampa  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:32:25pm

re: #1012 jcm

You would do better herding cats.

1016 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #1012 jcm
I have this picture....like herding cats, but worse!

1017 calcajun  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:33:49pm

re: #1012 jcm

I wouldn't dare attempt to herd the Lizards!

Nope-they ain't easily cowed.

1018 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:34:04pm

My 'puter doesn't like these loooong threads. Going to see what's for dinner.

1019 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:34:23pm

re: #1015 irongrampa

You would do better herding cats.

re: #1016 pingjockey

I have this picture....like herding cats, but worse!

Youtube Video
1020 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:34:28pm

re: #1003 gegenkritik

Secondly: I think the characterization of the BNP as a Neo-Nazi-Party does not fit very well anymore. It did some years ago, when the BNP's focus aimed at Jews, their main agenda was anti-semitism and there were close connections with Neo-Nazi-Terror-groups like C-18.

You don't get away from the neo-Nazi designation simply by changing your rhetoric. The BNP has made an effort to tone down the open hate speech -- precisely in order to get the reaction you're expressing here. They want people to think they've changed, when in fact it's a cosmetic attempt to appear more moderate in order to gain political legitimacy.

This is the same kind of "entryism" currenty being employed by the Vlaams Belang, and I refuse to play along with it.

1021 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:34:35pm

re: #1015 irongrampa

You would do better herding cats.

No herding cats would require some cowboy diplomacy. //

1022 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:35:45pm
1023 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #1021 Gus 802

Now No herding cats would require some cowboy diplomacy. //

Now not no. Oops.

1024 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:36:05pm

re: #999 Slumbering Behemoth

That's not even the half of it. There are a couple of giant Rasta eyeballs (Eye and Eye), and Mr. T as the bearded lady.

/pot is a hell of a drug


Hieronymous Bosch lives!

1025 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:37:22pm

re: #706 nikis-knight

Goodness, if you think the Palin's names are stupid, you don't spend much time on mommy message boards. It's not even the tip of the ice berg as I hear from my wife.

Is she familiar with this site? I don't think we should license people to become parents, but I'm leaning towards some sort of board of review to prevent tragic baby names.re: #967 Salamantis

I don't understand that either; cowboys, truckers and bikers are stereotypes of American freedom. And cowboys have been so the longest.

/except for wilderness trappers.

But the trappers were mostly French, so I guess they don't have the same macho image.

1026 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:37:55pm

re: #1012 jcm

I wouldn't dare attempt to herd the Lizards!

herd lizards is harder than CATS

1027 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:38:05pm

re: #1020 Charles

You don't get away from the neo-Nazi designation simply by changing your rhetoric. The BNP has made an effort to tone down the open hate speech -- precisely in order to get the reaction you're expressing here. They want people to think they've changed, when in fact it's a cosmetic attempt to appear more moderate in order to gain political legitimacy.

This is the same kind of "entryism" currenty being employed by the Vlaams Beland, and I refuse to play along with it.

Not unlike the repackaging of David Duke.

1028 jdog29  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:38:18pm

Let me tell you about Tennessee.

1029 The Shadow Do  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #991 nyc redneck

i just watch cesar milan work w/ a sweet yellow lab named gavin, who was an
iraqi war dog w/ post traumatic stress disorder.
anytime a loud noise went off he would quiver and try to hide. he was really a fearful dog after his 5 yr. tour of duty sniffing explosives.
it took cesar 71 days to slowly work gavin back to a normal, easy going, happy boy.
wow, what patience it took for cesar to rehabilitate him .
i could see he put his heart into it.
he called that dog "soldier". (w/ such affection)

Cesar is amazing. I suspect him of major moonbattery but he gets a pass. This is the I love animals exemption (as opposed the the PETA I hate people sect which gets a pass straight to the bottom of the fish tank from me).
/dog lover

1030 axegrinder  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:39:18pm

re: #1004 ArmyWife

I'm from Texas as was my Grandfather. Your damn fence got in the way of grazing cattle. Restitution ought to come my ways. How's about it? ;)

I reckon we'll just call it even. But if Paw Paw had wanted a %*#@damn gate there, he'd put one in! Spit.

1031 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:39:51pm

Good lord, what happened to my 1025?

1032 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:39:54pm

re: #1025 doppelganglander

But the trappers were mostly French, so I guess they don't have the same macho image.

They do for me, but I read Centennial as a youngster.

1033 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:40:01pm

re: #1010 Thanos

I think neo nazi is very fitting, as they follow the extreme right ideology very closely, there is still infighting in the party over overt anti-semitism vs. keeping it under wraps, and the ones who are against overt anti-semitism are that way only because they've replaced "jew" with "muslim" in their ideology of hatred. Sure they wear suits, but you can bet many of them still have nazi periphernalia around their homes.


Yes, there is of course still a lot of anti-semitism in their ideology. But the main-characteristic of National-Socialism is a suicidal-like behavior, that projects abstract things at concrete persons and thus forms an "image of a Jew" - which the Nazi tries to destruct with murdering Jews, even at the cost of his own life (that's why, jihadist suicide-bombers are the only ones to whom the term (Islam)-Nazi - except from real Nazis - fits).
Racists like VB do not necessarily promote genocide (though, they do not exclude this), but separation, "racial purity" and deportation of Muslims into islamic countries.
They do not necessarily want to kill every Muslim and not give their own life for it.
Though, I agree with you, that there are certainly more NS-elements in the BNP than in VB.

1034 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:40:19pm

re: #1022 buzzsawmonkey
Goddamned Nazis don't change their swastikas!

1035 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #1014 Dark_Falcon

I totally agree.

1036 Gus  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:41:02pm

re: #1027 Gus 802

Not unlike the repackaging of David Duke.

And the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) -- commonly known as the country club clan.

1037 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:41:20pm

re: #1031 doppelganglander

Good lord, what happened to my 1025?

Two replies for the price of one!

1038 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:41:44pm

re: #1031 doppelganglander

Good lord, what happened to my 1025?

you had all sorts of stuff in there!
You probably started something, then got distracted and made a different comment without fully erasing what you had in there before.

Or it could just be a mystery.

1039 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:42:05pm

re: #1002 Thanos

The reason I ask is that in several of these threads where Eurofascists are bashed you show up with questions like it's all new to you, and obliquely hint that since the left calls conservatives Nazis/racists that

a.) we should just be nazis and racists
b.) that we should ally with them

Now I'm not sure which it is, but your passive aggressive pimping of their agitprop is getting annoying.

I pimp for no one. I do ask questions. I have a problem with the knee-jerk reaction to brand everyone who wants to preserve Western Civilization a racist. Do you have a politically correct list of those whom I can support?

1040 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:42:31pm

re: #1038 reine.de.tout

or a poltergeist. Never get enough credit for their hard work, those little ghosts.

1041 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #1024 jim in virginia

Geez, what is it with you Lizards, making me use the web to learn things and stuff?

The intertoobs is fer lulz, not learning.
//

1042 albusteve  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #1032 OldLineTexan

They do for me, but I read Centennial as a youngster.

the Yellow Apron

1043 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:42:58pm

re: #1032 OldLineTexan

They do for me, but I read Centennial as a youngster.

Did you read Texas?

1044 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #1031 doppelganglander

Good lord, what happened to my 1025?

Once in a while, I'll close a page, and later reopen it, and the last comment I typed is sitting there in the comment box. Even after I posted it. Spooky. Yours gave me deja vu.

1045 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:43:27pm

re: #1033 gegenkritik

No, the main ideology is tribal purism, expressed in varying degrees of xenophobia and racism. Don't be fooled by which people head the current "hated peoples" list, because it's a long list that even includes neighbors across the channel. The Nazi genocide wasn't just against Jews, ask a BNP member how they feel about Roms for instance.

1046 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:44:17pm

re: #1038 reine.de.tout

you had all sorts of stuff in there!
You probably started something, then got distracted and made a different comment without fully erasing what you had in there before.

Or it could just be a mystery.

This is what I get for leaving to eat dinner. Somehow, my post from a couple of hours ago remained in the preview window and when I added my next reply, they were combined. In this case, preview was not my friend.

1047 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:44:26pm

re: #1039 USBeast


I have a problem with the knee-jerk reaction to brand everyone who wants to preserve Western Civilization a racist.


Nobody is here is doing that. BNP is clearly a racist neo-fascist group. It's very well documented.

1048 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:44:50pm

re: #1043 jcm

Did you read Texas?

I made it part-way, didn't do it for me back then. Maybe I should try again.

1049 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:44:55pm

re: #1039 USBeast

Anyone who's more interested in the future of the Republican party than racist parties in Europe just to start with USB, your friends pam and robert don't fit that list USB.

1050 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:45:19pm

re: #902 SixDegrees

Some interesting new poll results here re: Dems vs. Repubs. I think this might mark a trend at this point.

One interesting note:


A little symbolic reaching across the aisle wouldn't hurt the GOP. There's been a lot of murmuring from the Democrat side of Congress, particularly in the Senate, about the excessive spending in the proposed budgets over the next several years. Common ground? A little outreach to Conservative Democrats might go a long way toward improving the GOP's standing.

The Democrats idea of reaching out is to say "We won". Their idea of bi-partisanship is for Republicans to agree with everything they propose.
The problem is that there are too many Republicans who think that they're facing an honorable opponent across the aisle that is interested in working together and putting the country's interests first. They could not be more mistaken. The Democrats put nothing but Party first.

1051 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:45:59pm
1052 nyc redneck  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:47:12pm

re: #1029 The Shadow Do

Cesar is amazing. I suspect him of major moonbattery but he gets a pass. This is the I love animals exemption (as opposed the the PETA I hate people sect which gets a pass straight to the bottom of the fish tank from me).
/dog lover

i agree, he could be a moonbat but he is one of the rare incredible people
in this world who has a gift that he is using in such an amazing way.
i have learned so much from watching his show. it is very uplifting to
see him work his magic.

1053 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:48:55pm

re: #1039 USBeast

I pimp for no one. I do ask questions. I have a problem with the knee-jerk reaction to brand everyone who wants to preserve Western Civilization a racist. Do you have a politically correct list of those whom I can support?

Excuse me, but this is NOT a "knee-jerk" reaction. The British National Party are open white nationalists and fascists. Their leader is a Holocaust denier.

What the hell is your purpose in trying to minimize this?

1054 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:49:02pm

re: #682 Charles

It's hilarious, really. The same people who rant and rave about how my site has been declining in popularity (it hasn't actually; according to Google Analytics my traffic has stayed pretty constant all year), and how insignificant I am, are the ones who read LGF so obsessively that they feel compelled to go to sites that I link and post nasty comments telling everyone how insignificant I am, and how much they never read LGF.

I'm not sure what it is I do that makes obsessive types go so completely nuts.

They can leave LGF, but they can't leave LGF alone...

1055 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:49:03pm

re: #1039 USBeast

I pimp for no one. I do ask questions. I have a problem with the knee-jerk reaction to brand everyone who wants to preserve Western Civilization a racist. Do you have a politically correct list of those whom I can support?

Despite all the downdinging you've received tonight, I think you mean well. The BNP have a long, well-documented history of racism. You may not have been aware of that previously. Charles has posted a number of stories about them, which you could find by searching. It's hard to keep up with the haters and the crazies, but your posts came across as supportive of them when in fact I think you just didn't know much about them. I think this is what we call around here fact-checking your ass.

1056 irongrampa  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #1027 Gus 802

Repackaging Duke is akin to picking up a turd by the clean end.

1057 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:51:30pm
1058 Irish Rose  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:52:24pm

Going up...

1059 Idle Drifter  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:53:33pm

re: #1029 The Shadow Do


Youtube Video


Youtube Video

This video had its sound track removed due to copy rights.
1060 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:53:36pm

re: #1055 doppelganglander

Despite all the downdinging you've received tonight, I think you mean well. The BNP have a long, well-documented history of racism. You may not have been aware of that previously. Charles has posted a number of stories about them, which you could find by searching. It's hard to keep up with the haters and the crazies, but your posts came across as supportive of them when in fact I think you just didn't know much about them. I think this is what we call around here fact-checking your ass.

I'm going to disagree with you, USB has a history of showing up in threads on Eurofascists and playing this same game. He's been thrown tons of links but always comes back with the same questions pretending nobody already answered them umpteen times.

1061 The Shadow Do  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:54:47pm

re: #1052 nyc redneck

i agree, he could be a moonbat but he is one of the rare incredible people
in this world who has a gift that he is using in such an amazing way.
i have learned so much from watching his show. it is very uplifting to
see him work his magic.

Yes, it is uplifting. I even enjoy the Zen thing he does with the owners. Cesar is a guy I would love to meet.

1062 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:55:13pm

re: #1060 Thanos

I'm going to disagree with you, USB has a history of showing up in threads on Eurofascists and playing this same game. He's been thrown tons of links but always comes back with the same questions pretending nobody already answered them umpteen times.

I've noticed that too.

1063 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:58:08pm

COMMIES OR FASCISTS frankly f''' um both. but remember to put on a rain coat.

1064 doppelganglander  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:59:51pm

re: #1060 Thanos

I'm going to disagree with you, USB has a history of showing up in threads on Eurofascists and playing this same game. He's been thrown tons of links but always comes back with the same questions pretending nobody already answered them umpteen times.

I haven't noticed that, but I'll take your (and Charles') word for it.

1065 yochanan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:00:46pm

is it safe for me to go to a creationist thread?

1066 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:01:00pm
1067 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:02:49pm

re: #1064 doppelganglander

I haven't noticed that, but I'll take your (and Charles') word for it.

Np, he always seems honest and sincere and just wanting to know...

1068 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:04:41pm

re: #1054 Oh no...Sand People!

They can leave LGF, but they can't leave LGF alone...

What was that Stephen King movie? 1481?

"Even if you leave this room, you can never leave this room"

1069 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:04:49pm

re: #1020 Charles
re: #1045 Thanos
I would agree that there is more qualification to call BNP a Nazi-Party than VB.
Though, I think it is important to understand the difference between racism and anti-semitism: the racists seeks for separation, the anti-semite for destruction. This does not mean there are no racially motivated genocides, but they are not an inevitable element of racist ideology.
It's true, that the Nazis murdered many million other people besides the Jews, but the difference is, that no other group* of people was completely tried to destruct: millions of russians and other eastern-european people were starved to death, shot or killed as labour-slaves, but the final-plan was to enslave them as "sub-humans". Political enemies of the Nazis were murdered, but they could save themself if they agreed to fight for the Wehrmacht in special divisions. Homosexuals could also save their life this way. Many Arabs collaborated with the Nazis anyway, as well as the Japanese.
For Jews, there was no way to survive in Nazi-ideology, their destruction was inevitable.
This should not be misunderstood as a "hierarchy" of victims, as for the victim it does not matter in what circumstances he was killed. But it's necessary to understand that National Socialism with its latent suicidal tendencies, that tries to create hell on earth before the own destruction, was a unique form of genocidal ideology.

Some very good (english) books on this matter have been released by Prof. Deborah Lipstadt.

*The only group of people besides the Jews, for whom the Nazis had no other plans than destruction, were the Romani and Sinti.

1070 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:07:36pm

re: #1048 OldLineTexan

I made it part-way, didn't do it for me back then. Maybe I should try again.

I read most of Michener's stuff as a kid. After I'd to read real histories about the stuff that intrigued me.

1071 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:09:02pm

re: #1049 Thanos

Anyone who's more interested in the future of the Republican party than racist parties in Europe just to start with USB, your friends pam and robert don't fit that list USB.

re: #1053 Charles

Excuse me, but this is NOT a "knee-jerk" reaction. The British National Party are open white nationalists and fascists. Their leader is a Holocaust denier.

What the hell is your purpose in trying to minimize this?

Charles, as you well know, the people involved in the Luton march were not all card carrying members of the BNP. Many, probably most of them, were seriously pissed off by the denial of a permit to march. Yes, I agree, there were probably racist assholes in the the crowd. What strikes me as important is that there was a crowd. The Islamic contempt for the service and sacrifice of British troops in defense of liberty has been noticed. Can you tell me that this is not a good thing?

1072 jdog29  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:10:13pm

re: #893 calcajun

If we all stop breathing for five minutes a day, the CO2 levels will drop dramatically (as will we all)///

Not if we just hold it for 1 minute at a time, you know, just during the commercials.

Medal award ceremony: And today we'd like to show our appreciation to Al Gore who held his breath for a total of 43,200 minutes (30 days) last year in a personal attempt to lower CO2 levels. Next year it'll be compulsory.

1073 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:11:41pm

re: #1069 gegenkritik

This should not be misunderstood as a "hierarchy" of victims, as for the victim it does not matter in what circumstances he was killed.

It is nonsensical to use the point of view of the innocent victim to negate the differential hatred of the nazi swine.

1074 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:12:47pm

The BNP are trying to mainstream racism by appealing to 'anti-political correctness' among other things.

Google cache of BNP 'Golliwog' story:

[Link: 209.85.229.132...]

Strike a blow against political correctness with this fantastic 6″ “Golly” pen, mounted on its own suction base and spring loaded body.

You can buy it from Excalibur right now by clicking here. £2.99 (excluding p&p) or how about an “England Golly” pin badge for £2.00 (excluding p&p).

1075 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:13:45pm

re: #1071 USBeast

There weren't just "racist assholes in the crowd" it was partially organized by Racist BNP members and it was just a pretext for another tribal nationalist get together as there's already a celebration in Luton for St. George's day.

1076 thebigolddog  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:14:36pm

8:03/9:55 what in the word is a person of color doing at a neo-Nazi rally?!

1077 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:14:44pm

USB: A crowd of Tribal nationalists is NEVER a good thing.

1078 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:16:37pm

re: #1076 thebigolddog

Window dressing. Why is pam posting videos with people giving the Heil Hitler salute on the eve of Yom HaShoah?

1079 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:17:11pm

re: #1069 gegenkritik

re: #1045 Thanos
I would agree that there is more qualification to call BNP a Nazi-Party than VB.*The only group of people besides the Jews, for whom the Nazis had no other plans than destruction, were the Romani and Sinti.

It's a dangerous road you're travelling, trying to find nuance between forms of magical-thinking, tribal evil - especially here. I do understand that you're not making excuses for any of them, and I appreciate your effort. (As opposed to USBeast, whose 'questions' are at this stage in his LGF career nothing but veiled apologetics.)

It is illustrative of your point that the targets of the Nazis you mention were all stateless nations: Jews, Roma, Sinti (who I don't know anything about). There's no way to "separate" from a race which respects no borders; and since the aforementioned races have been known to intermarry too, they're a threat to the underpinnings of a racist state.

I expect that if the Nazis had hung on in North Africa for longer, the Berbers would have been next to go.

1080 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:27:17pm

re: #1077 Thanos

USB: A crowd of Tribal nationalists is NEVER a good thing.

Unless, of course, it's YOUR tribe that want to survive.

1081 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:27:27pm

A Jew who allies with a Nazi against a perceived common enemy, even Islamofascism, has a cockroach for an ally and is herself a walking corpse.

1082 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:32:43pm

re: #1080 USBeast

I belong to the tribe of the individual - we all want to survive.

1083 nocensorship  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:34:30pm

re: #104 Alouette

Are you suggesting that Jews who do not observe kashrut (the so-called "cultural" ones, an obviously less worthy category in your cosmology) should be executed by order of rabbinical courts?

1084 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:37:53pm

re: #1083 nocensorship

Are you suggesting that Jews who do not observe kashrut (the so-called "cultural" ones, an obviously less worthy category in your cosmology) should be executed by order of rabbinical courts?

a) that's silly
b) 900 (Nine Hundred) posts later

1085 USBeast  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:37:55pm

re: #1082 Thanos

I belong to the tribe of the individual - we all want to survive.

As do I. Can we agree that we support the Constitution, the Golden Rule and Murphy's Law?

1086 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:38:09pm

re: #1025 doppelganglander

You know, that baby site is just wrong.

I'm pissing myself as I read it, but just wrong.

This did it:

I'm having a girl...
For the first name I like Mercedes, Michaela, Marissa, Madison, and Makenzie For a middle name I like Alezae'(Alize) like the liquor.

Too damn much.

1087 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:41:03pm

re: #1051 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent post Buzz.

"Spot on"

1088 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:41:13pm

re: #1071 USBeast

That's entirely enough out of you. Bye now.

1089 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:41:42pm

re: #1085 USBeast

I support the constitution, but not allying with tribal nationalists.

1090 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:43:23pm

re: #1080 USBeast

Unless, of course, it's YOUR tribe that want to survive.

There are tribes and then there are Tribes.

My Tribe consists of organizers and self-starters, proud and self-reliant people who do not need to be told what to do in a crisis. My Tribe is not fearless; they are something better. They are courageous. My Tribe is honorable, and decent, and kind, and inventive. My Tribe knows how to give orders, and how to follow them. My Tribe knows enough about how the world works to figure out ways to boil water, ration food, repair structures, build and maintain makeshift latrines, and care for the wounded and the dead with respect and compassion.
1091 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:44:33pm

Charles -

Perhaps silly question - Considering the Tories under Cameron - WHO! is worthy of support in the UK? Methinks Lady Thatcher is too old to make a comeback, perhaps John Major.

-S-

1092 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:46:00pm

re: #1091 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Perhaps silly question - Considering the Tories under Cameron - WHO! is worthy of support in the UK? Methinks Lady Thatcher is too old to make a comeback, perhaps John Major.

-S-

I'm not in the UK, and British citizens will have to make that determination for themselves.

1093 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:46:27pm

re: #1079 Zimriel
To make this very clear: BNP and VB should be totally opposed, the same way as NPD or other Neonazi-groups.
Though, the ideological differences should be recognized. For example, even though also racist, the NPD often shows a huge sympathy for Islam and even laments about "Islamophobia" (!). Other thugs like Evo Morales or Hugo Chavez are also idols of German Nazis.
This anti-imperialistic attitude is something that they have in common with the very left, and also the historical Nazis were anti-imperialistic in such a way: "freedom for the peoples" (from "Jewish-American-Capitalistic-slavery") was one of their main-slogans. That's why I highly doubt that the Berbers would have suffered a genocide: In Nazi-ideology, Africans were not viewed as equal people, but there was no plan to destruct them all.

Another example: The ones outside the islamic world, who cheer Ahmadinejad, are usually from the Neo-Nazi or very radical-left milieu. Contrary, Admiration for him in VB or FPÖ is not really high (I have to admit that I don't know BNP's stance on this). In Germany, there are even Neo-Nazis who wear T-Shirts with the portrait of Ahmadinejad along with the slogan "My friend is a foreigner". This slogan was originally used by an anti-racist initiative.

1094 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:47:10pm

re: #553 Dianna

I don't. A waste of your time and energy.

It's a waste of robert's time, and money.

1095 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:50:12pm

re: #1093 gegenkritik

Yes, but they are all racists/racialists, none is on a rung any higher than the others, any of them given absolute power would commit unspeakable evil.

1096 jcm  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:53:35pm

re: #1090 jcm

Dang it got the stick before my reply......

1097 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #1095 Thanos

Yes, but they are all racists/racialists, none is on a rung any higher than the others, any of them given absolute power would commit unspeakable evil.


Yes, I agree with you here.
Good night all.

1098 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:03:58pm

re: #1092 Charles

I'm not in the UK, and British citizens will have to make that determination for themselves.

Charles -

So they will - AND - with the "Special Relationship" considered, we in the US will accept and work with the result. My point is that Gordon Brown is a spendthrift, as is our President, David Cameron is politically a British McCain.
Through a period where it appears to me that "Daughter US" got it wrong, on would wish that "Mother UK" would get it right. Unfortunately, I do not see that. I see Cameron and his crew as "TINO's."

-S-

1099 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #1088 Charles

That's entirely enough out of you. Bye now.

It's a shame when Lizards go bad (or the rot begins to show through their veneer)...

1100 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:22:57pm

re: #814 SixDegrees

If being a Conservative means being a crazed conspiracy theorist, a neo-Nazi, or a theocrat trying to ram their own particular distortion of religion down the throats of everyone in the country, including children - to take your first three exemplars in order - then count me out.

Last I heard, Conservatives were interested in small, limited government that didn't stick their nose into anyone else's business to the greatest extent possible. Conservatives believe in creating an environment where everyone is able to live their own lives according to their own beliefs, with minimal constraints imposed by government.

If you don't see Beck, Geller and Limbaugh pouring gasoline on every one of these concepts and setting them afire in their zeal to promote themselves and their own particular ideology, you need to go sit by yourself for a while, out of reach of blogs, talk radio and anything published by these freaks, and ponder what Conservatism is really about.

A million updings, if I could.

1101 Sheepdogess  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:42:03pm

OT - I find it curious that the Klebold's and Harris's parents were never harassed by the MSM media. Ten years later and nothing about the parents. What were their values?
One interview, by David Brooks. Nothing else.
WUWT?

1102 Sheepdogess  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 7:47:24pm

OT - I find it curious that the Klebold's and Harris's parents were never harassed by the MSM media. Ten years later and nothing about the parents. What were their values?
One interview, by David Brooks. Nothing
WUWT?

1103 meeshlr  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 8:18:49pm

re: #786 Engnrman

You are either a conservative or you are not. I don't care if you call yourself a Republican or a Libertarian, just don't give me this spineless crap about being neutral, or an independant. Make a damn decision.

Seriously?

Just because I call myself a conservative doesn't mean that I agree with everything that you consider "conservative." That's the genius of the American political system as opposed to a parliamentary system like they have in Canada. I can be Republican, vote Republican, and still disagree with Republicans. Even better, I'm free to say publicly that I disagree.

I have made a decision. I've decided to use my brain instead of mindlessly following what some would try to dictate as the party line.

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Sometimes, they are just another enemy.

1104 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:29:04pm

re: #1085 USBeast

As do I. Can we agree that we support the Constitution, the Golden Rule and Murphy's Law?

Murphy's Law, Applied: if anything CAN go wrong with allying with Euroneonazis - and a helluva lot can - it WILL.

1105 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 9:46:46pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

LOL. Reptiles under every stone.

1106 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:15:59pm
1107 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:32:55pm

re: #1106 snoozealarm

Let's say, just for the sake of argument (even though I'm not conceding this point), that she didn't know beforehand, or have such knowledge handed to her when she received the video. Then she was still at the very least negligent in not checking out the circumstances surrounding the event before she posted it. It certainly wasn't difficult for Charles to do so.

1108 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:45:34pm
1109 Dogsbody  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:04:18am

The increasing support in Great Britain for the BNP is a serious matter. There are lots of desperately unhappy people joining or voting for this party. They have real problems and the political system is acting deaf to their complaints.
This is entirely the fault of the main line political parties.
Obviously, the Labor party has taken a huge hit over their handling of the economy, immigration, the EU and the general decline of GB into a surveillance state. The UK was in serious danger of getting into a fix like Iceland (c). Actual hatred of PM Brown seems widespread.
Where are the Conservatives? In a dream world...really more of the same on offer. Lib-Dem's, the same. All of them deaf as a stone.

What I really think is, that it's a sign that GB is close to major civil unrest or some type of revolution. As people leave the center voting position, the extremes gain numbers. People push back against the government. It can fall apart with surprising speed. When I think of how many speed cameras have been destroyed in the UK, I wonder if it has not already begun. Reading the letters columns of the Brit papers, there are not a small number of people claiming to be fleeing to other parts of the English speaking world. Intelligent, moneyed refugees. This is disturbing, like the large numbers of Dutch emigrating to anywhere they can find.
I think dismissive talk of the BNP as a bunch of raciest louts and Nazis is very misleading because it misdirects people from considering the problems the result in a BNP getting support in the first place.

1110 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:04:28am

Why don't you go over to Atlas Shruggs and demand that Pamela Gellar apologize to Charles for prevously saying he should be publicly flogged?

1111 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:13:24am
1112 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:55:00am

re: #933 realwest

You want the GOP to "reach out" to the Democrats, particularly in the Senate?


You are aware, I assume, that the Senate Dems have voted in complete lockstep on Obama's wishes - with three Republicans (Collins, Snowe and Specter) voting with them and NOT ONE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR has reached across the aisle to the GOP. NOT ONE.
Maybe when Obama finally submits his budget, which PROVIDES FOR A ONE AND ONE-HALF TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT the Dems will break lock step and one or two (three would be wishful thinking) will reach out to the GOP.
Until then, they won the election, they have the votes, they own this economy.

Sure. They could start by giving this guy some support: [Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

You are aware, I assume, that the Senate Dems have voted in complete lockstep on Obama's wishes - with three Republicans (Collins, Snowe and Specter) voting with them and NOT ONE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR has reached across the aisle to the GOP. NOT ONE.

Yes, I am aware of that. The GOP hasn't given them any reason for reaching, either.

We're the minority party. The only way to have any impact at all is to form coalitions with the majority, or to splinter that majority - although splintering itself won't accomplish anything if we don't give the splinters something to latch onto.

This is politics. The GOP can sit and sulk, if it wants, and become completely irrelevant for the next several years. Or, it can try playing the game. If it wants to win at the game, though, it will have to persuade Democrats to come over to their side, something the Dems aren't going to do on their own.

1113 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:34:33am
1114 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:14am

re: #1111 snoozealarm

Is this meant as a response to my post? If so, I do not see how it addresses what I have written.

What's sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.

1115 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:47:25am

re: #1113 SnoozeAlarm

So, it's your considered opinion, too, that a march organized by racists, and filled with them, should receive list benediction because perhaps some nonracists attended?

1116 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:06:19am
1117 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:13:02am
1118 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:42am

re: #1108 snoozealarm

Then why are you defending someone you know very little about? Amazing!
She never gave a damn about her sources, even when she knew where her information comes from , as long as they fit her hysteria.
Did you read this?
Her readers pointed out the source of this info (a Nazi) and Charles wrote about it, what did she do? Apologize? Explain? NO! Just nothing.
Before you run to defend someone "I know very little about" I suggest you do a search on LGF for Valams Belang and read the entire history of Geller's "allies" and you will count to 1000 before defending her.

1119 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:46:49am

re: #1117 SnoozeAlarm

Nothing in my post suggests that that is my "considered opinion". Nor do I believe that it is USBeast's opinion.


Oh, no, just defending someone you state that you know very little about and then defending USBeast's opinions without bothering to check his previous comments and the basis on which he was banned - and you suppose all of this smells good?

1120 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:49:25am

re: #1116 SnoozeAlarm

It's quite fucking simple, nimrod; before you demand that Charles apologize for something where you construe, most likely mistakenly, that he might be in the wrong, what about getting Pamela to apologize for something she did before then where she is unquestionably in the wrong?

That's what a truly objective and evenhanded person would do. But you are quite obviously neither. You're a Gellarite troll.

1121 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:40am

re: #1119 Abu Lahab

Oh, no, just defending someone you state that you know very little about and then defending USBeast's opinions without bothering to check his previous comments and the basis on which he was banned - and you suppose all of this smells good?

It stinks to high heaven and low hell.

1122 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:10am

Always at the end of such threads come the "defenders" and the apologists, if you have not been following this history from the beginning, then take time to read about it and search before you jump to defend someone who has shadowy allies and friends. She has a history in posting crap on her site and then never bothering to remove it or apologize for it.
You must be ashamed of defending someone who came up with the most ridiculous conspiracy theory about Obama being the son of Malcolm X !
But obviously, this won't make a difference to you. You can go back now to the woodwork.

1123 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:37am

re: #1121 Salamantis

Good to see you Salamantis. I thought everyone was asleep and I thought I would take care of the Gellarite troll , he must be proud of his new nick.
I know they like to post hateful comments while Charles is away

1124 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:41am

re: #1123 Abu Lahab

Good to see you Salamantis. I thought everyone was asleep and I thought I would take care of the Gellarite troll , he must be proud of his new nick.
I know they like to post hateful comments while Charles is away

They especially like to hit the ends of long threads that take longer to load, or threads that are close to the bottom of the page - if possible, a combination of both is what is most preferred. And yes, they love to try to get their late-night licks in, in the hopes that they will stand uncountered until the next day. Tough. It didn't work this time.

1125 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:15:49am

re: #1124 Salamantis


They especially like to hit the ends of long threads that take longer to load, or threads that are close to the bottom of the page - if possible, a combination of both is what is most preferred


I just love your scientific approach to things - this sounded like a phrase from a very good book you may write one day: "An In-Depth Study on Trolls".
I like your comments of evolution most, they were so enlightening and helpful for me. Thank you a lot

1126 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:11am

I've got to go now. Hope no more trolls show up today
Thanks Sala , it's people like you and Charles and many others here why I love this site and visit it dozens of times daily. It's sane and CLEAN.

1127 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:04am

re: #1125 Abu Lahab

I just love your scientific approach to things - this sounded like a phrase from a very good book you may write one day: "An In-Depth Study on Trolls".
I like your comments of evolution most, they were so enlightening and helpful for me. Thank you a lot

re: #1126 Abu Lahab

I've got to go now. Hope no more trolls show up today
Thanks Sala , it's people like you and Charles and many others here why I love this site and visit it dozens of times daily. It's sane and CLEAN.

Actually, my academic training is mainly in philosophy. But it is impossible to do decent philosophy of one is scientifically unaware.

Thanx for the compliments. They warm the cockles of my rational heart.

1128 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:55:42am
1129 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:08:09am
1130 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:34:32am
1131 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:48:48am
1132 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:21:48am

re: #1080 USBeast

Unless, of course, it's YOUR tribe that want to survive.

Where have I heard that before? Ah yes. . .it reminds me of 'Lebensraum'.

1133 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:21:52am

re: #1131 SnoozeAlarm

Get off my website.

1134 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:34:49am

After reading some recent texts about the BNP, their environment and connections, I have to correct myself a little bit. Maybe Charles and the others were not so wrong calling them still a Neo-Nazi-Party.
Though, it wouldn't surprise me if in the next years, the BNP would orientate itself more in the way of other european fascist-parties like VB. The strongest indicator is Nick Griffin's comment on the Gaza-war (Google Griffin Israel Gaza).
Unlike VB, he is relatively honest, saying clearly that he doesn't care at all about Israel and only see them as a tool to fight what a racist like him considers as "Muslim subhumans". But as disgusting and unacceptable his opinion is, it differentiates from the pamphlet of real Neo-Nazis, whose statements were all in unconditional support for Hamas and other jihadist-rackets.
If the BNP will go the way I suppose, they will soon be in open conflict with their former european Nazi-Allies like NPD or AN.
Then, people like Geller or Spencer can triumphantly announce that they are not allying with Neo-Nazis - and they would be right.
But this would miss the point, since allying with fascists and racists is simply not any better, it's just a different thing.

1135 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:36:00am

By the way, the email I received this morning from 'USBeast' confirms that he didn't belong at LGF.

1136 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #1131 SnoozeAlarm

Ms. Geller began attacking Charles many months ago, after he posted threads warning that an anti-jihad conference she and others (who up until that time appeared to be allies of LGF) was being well-attended by European white supremacists, such as Vlaams Belang.

Charles stated his belief that associating with racists is not merely wrong, but would also severely damage the anti-jihad movement in America in the long run.

The response was shocking.

Instead of disassociating themselves from the racists, Geller (among others) began viciously attacking Charles. She descended fairly rapidly from name-calling (e.g., traitor to the cause) to outright lies (e.g., claiming Charles is a mole, or has ties to neo-Nazis).

Ever since, she has been associating with, posting material from, and linking to white supremacist groups. Whenever anyone calls her on it, she spews another screed full of false attacks and name-calling.

If you honestly have no prior knowledge of her site and its recent history, then I understand your desire to give Ms. Geller the benefit of the doubt. But she doesn't deserve it. She is a willing and knowing ally of numerous racist groups.

1137 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:49:15am

By the way, Charles, an honest question: Yesterday (or so) I tried to post a spin-off link about Poland boycotting Durban II. I read an article about this in german, and when looking for english news, the only source I found was Europenews, so I wanted to post this, but LGF says, that this site was blocked.
I didn't know about Europenews (apart from that it looked like an anti-Islam-site, that its located in Denmark) and neither Google nor a search at LGF helped me to classify this site. But I assume you are not blocking them without a reason, so I would be thankful for any hints or links.

1138 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:01:47am

re: #1137 gegenkritik

By the way, Charles, an honest question: Yesterday (or so) I tried to post a spin-off link about Poland boycotting Durban II. I read an article about this in german, and when looking for english news, the only source I found was Europenews, so I wanted to post this, but LGF says, that this site was blocked.
I didn't know about Europenews (apart from that it looked like an anti-Islam-site, that its located in Denmark) and neither Google nor a search at LGF helped me to classify this site. But I assume you are not blocking them without a reason, so I would be thankful for any hints or links.

Europenews is a supporter of fascist groups, and they have published several vicious attacks against me. I won't allow LGF to be used to promote them.

1139 lurking faith  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:03:40am

Drat.

Charles, if you want all trace of SnoozeAlarms's posts erased, please delete my #1136.

1140 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:17:49am

re: #1139 lurking faith

Drat.

Charles, if you want all trace of SnoozeAlarms's posts erased, please delete my #1136.

It's OK - I just took the quote out of your post. (Reload to see.)

1141 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:26:01am

re: #1138 Charles
Ok, thanks. I've read through this site and the comments there on LGF and you are truly nasty, not to mention their support of VB.
A funny thing is when this Fjordman (he is writing everywhere?) calls you a "hardcore anti-European". Unintentionally, he is somewhat right about this.

Best regards from Gegenkritik, another hardcore anti-European from Germany, who thinks that Europe - may it be left-wing Anti-American Islamfriends, Nazi-scum or fascist dumbheads like Fjordman - has said goodbye to a better world long time ago. There is a reason why they all look with anger at the lighthouse of Enlightenment called USA.

1142 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:45:38am

By the way, I should point out that this is not the only time Geller has explicitly promoted the British National Party, among other European fascists.

1143 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:00:50am

re: #1142 Charles

It's not the first time and that's why there's a lot of hypocrisy in her attitude, she can come forward and admit it instead of denying all the time. When someone on her blog asked why she viciously supported "Lionheart", (the one they turned into a celebrity), she attacked the poster and never gave a logical or direct answer to that simple question.

I see "SnoozeAlarm" is gone, it seems I missed his replies, but I can imagine what they were like.

1144 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:03:38pm

I just read at Geller's blog about a sign in the video that reads "NF go to hell", which she takes as a proof that the march was against the BNP.
In fact, the BNP and the (now marginalized) National Front are rival parties, so this sign could also be held by a BNP-supporter.

1145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #1144 gegenkritik

I just read at Geller's blog about a sign in the video that reads "NF go to hell", which she takes as a proof that the march was against the BNP.
In fact, the BNP and the (now marginalized) National Front are rival parties, so this sign could also be held by a BNP-supporter.

And it could also have been held by a counter-protester, upset at the skinheads marching through his neighborhood.

1146 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:55:38pm

re: #1145 Charles
Maybe. In any case, it's disturbing how one can promote such a video, where a bunch of violent rioters form a mob. It's better not to imagine what would happen if there was no police and these guys would have met a muslim.

1147 Jimash  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #1145 Charles

And it could also have been held by a counter-protester, upset at the skinheads marching through his neighborhood.

That was more or less what I saw. After the "go to HEll" people got stomped and pushed aside The NF came through.
MAybe I am ignorant of Euro-politics, and not up on BNP or VB, but I kNOW what the National Front is, by golly. Stromfronter goons.
You're right.

1148 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 1:22:17pm

Spencer, meanwhile, is trying to misdirect the issue by claiming I said the VIDEO was a BNP video. And of course, this is another lie. I said the demonstrations were organized by BNP members and pro-BNP creeps like "Lionheart," and this is absolutely true. I made no claims about the maker of the video.

1149 pookleblinky  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:30:09pm

Why are so few of us left active, healthy, and without personality disorders?

1150 IdeaLover  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:46:53am

I think this Geller is a nationalist, not a patriot, which goes a long way towards explaining why she associates with the nasty types that she does associate with.

A nationalist defends his country not because it is morally right and he knows it (which is what a patriot does), but merely because it is his country. In other words, such types don't base their views on a reasoned understanding of the truth, but on an accident of birth, on faith or on whim.

Racists and fascists are the same in that respect. Their views can't be defended by reason either, and so they can only defend them by appeal to genetics, faith or whim. To do that, the nationalist, the racist and the fascist all pick and choose ideas from anywhere as rationalizations for what they believe, no matter how much they have to twist those ideas in the process.

With respect to Geller, "twist" is an extremely kind term for the act of naming her blog after a famous novel written by somebody who didn't merely reject religion, racism and fascism, but showed in fundamental terms why those ideas are wrong and hence incompatible with human life.

MAP


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